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Title: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Internet Apex on July 28, 2011, 02:16:06 PM
BUTTPUDDLE!!!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/highschool/07/28/kiel-commits-indiana/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a12&eref=sihp
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: R-V on July 28, 2011, 02:44:24 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 28, 2011, 02:16:06 PM
BUTTPUDDLE!!!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/highschool/07/28/kiel-commits-indiana/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a12&eref=sihp

What's not to like? His name's Gunner, he's from buttpuddle, and he's staying in buttpuddle so he can fail in front of his family and friends. I'm sure said family is already digging a nice living pit outside Memorial Stadium, so they can roast squirrel feet over a trash pile and brew homemade Shasta in an empty propane tank in between games.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Internet Apex on July 28, 2011, 02:50:06 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 28, 2011, 02:44:24 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 28, 2011, 02:16:06 PM
BUTTPUDDLE!!!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/highschool/07/28/kiel-commits-indiana/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a12&eref=sihp

What's not to like? His name's Gunner, he's from buttpuddle, and he's staying in buttpuddle so he can fail in front of his family and friends. I'm sure said family is already digging a nice living pit outside Memorial Stadium, so they can roast squirrel feet over a trash pile and brew homemade Shasta in an empty propane tank in between games.

What's not to like? Well, a certain member of said family:

http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=11085116

http://www.wthr.com/global/story.asp?s=13066395
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: R-V on July 28, 2011, 03:00:23 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 28, 2011, 02:50:06 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 28, 2011, 02:44:24 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 28, 2011, 02:16:06 PM
BUTTPUDDLE!!!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/highschool/07/28/kiel-commits-indiana/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a12&eref=sihp

What's not to like? His name's Gunner, he's from buttpuddle, and he's staying in buttpuddle so he can fail in front of his family and friends. I'm sure said family is already digging a nice living pit outside Memorial Stadium, so they can roast squirrel feet over a trash pile and brew homemade Shasta in an empty propane tank in between games.

What's not to like? Well, a certain member of said family:

http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=11085116

http://www.wthr.com/global/story.asp?s=13066395

Holy shit, why hasn't anyone told me about this Kiel family until now? Heavy drinking, washed-up former athlete dad from Dumphole, IN with a quick temper and two boys with trailer-ready names who will bring him the glory he could never achieve. I bet they bought a new 4 wheeler with the big fat money order they got from Kelvin WilsonSampson.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on July 28, 2011, 03:06:28 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 28, 2011, 03:00:23 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 28, 2011, 02:50:06 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 28, 2011, 02:44:24 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 28, 2011, 02:16:06 PM
BUTTPUDDLE!!!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/highschool/07/28/kiel-commits-indiana/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a12&eref=sihp

What's not to like? His name's Gunner, he's from buttpuddle, and he's staying in buttpuddle so he can fail in front of his family and friends. I'm sure said family is already digging a nice living pit outside Memorial Stadium, so they can roast squirrel feet over a trash pile and brew homemade Shasta in an empty propane tank in between games.

What's not to like? Well, a certain member of said family:

http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=11085116

http://www.wthr.com/global/story.asp?s=13066395

Holy shit, why hasn't anyone told me about this Kiel family until now? Heavy drinking, washed-up former athlete dad from Dumphole, IN with a quick temper and two boys with trailer-ready names who will bring him the glory he could never achieve. I bet they bought a new 4 wheeler with the big fat money order they got from Kelvin WilsonSampson.

To be fair, Blair is the asshole uncle, and Illinois is the Big Ten "I" school with the history of paying players. IU, during its dirty days of Kelvin Sampson, committed the heinous crime of 3-way calling.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: R-V on July 28, 2011, 03:20:40 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 28, 2011, 03:06:28 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 28, 2011, 03:00:23 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 28, 2011, 02:50:06 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 28, 2011, 02:44:24 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 28, 2011, 02:16:06 PM
BUTTPUDDLE!!!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/highschool/07/28/kiel-commits-indiana/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a12&eref=sihp

What's not to like? His name's Gunner, he's from buttpuddle, and he's staying in buttpuddle so he can fail in front of his family and friends. I'm sure said family is already digging a nice living pit outside Memorial Stadium, so they can roast squirrel feet over a trash pile and brew homemade Shasta in an empty propane tank in between games.

What's not to like? Well, a certain member of said family:

http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=11085116

http://www.wthr.com/global/story.asp?s=13066395

Holy shit, why hasn't anyone told me about this Kiel family until now? Heavy drinking, washed-up former athlete dad from Dumphole, IN with a quick temper and two boys with trailer-ready names who will bring him the glory he could never achieve. I bet they bought a new 4 wheeler with the big fat money order they got from Kelvin WilsonSampson.

To be fair, Blair is the asshole uncle, and Illinois is the Big Ten "I" school with the history of paying players. IU, during its dirty days of Kelvin Sampson, committed the heinous crime of 3-way calling.

We're talking about Indiana here. The line between dad and uncle is thinner than Gunner's well-worn underoos.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on July 28, 2011, 03:30:13 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 28, 2011, 03:20:40 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 28, 2011, 03:06:28 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 28, 2011, 03:00:23 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 28, 2011, 02:50:06 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 28, 2011, 02:44:24 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 28, 2011, 02:16:06 PM
BUTTPUDDLE!!!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/highschool/07/28/kiel-commits-indiana/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a12&eref=sihp

What's not to like? His name's Gunner, he's from buttpuddle, and he's staying in buttpuddle so he can fail in front of his family and friends. I'm sure said family is already digging a nice living pit outside Memorial Stadium, so they can roast squirrel feet over a trash pile and brew homemade Shasta in an empty propane tank in between games.

What's not to like? Well, a certain member of said family:

http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=11085116

http://www.wthr.com/global/story.asp?s=13066395

Holy shit, why hasn't anyone told me about this Kiel family until now? Heavy drinking, washed-up former athlete dad from Dumphole, IN with a quick temper and two boys with trailer-ready names who will bring him the glory he could never achieve. I bet they bought a new 4 wheeler with the big fat money order they got from Kelvin WilsonSampson.

To be fair, Blair is the asshole uncle, and Illinois is the Big Ten "I" school with the history of paying players. IU, during its dirty days of Kelvin Sampson, committed the heinous crime of 3-way calling.

We're talking about Indiana here. The line between dad and uncle is thinner than Gunner's well-worn underoos. Brad Biggs' perineum after years of Tim Shaw's girth.

Wrong thread.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: R-V on July 28, 2011, 03:37:48 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 28, 2011, 03:30:13 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 28, 2011, 03:20:40 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 28, 2011, 03:06:28 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 28, 2011, 03:00:23 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 28, 2011, 02:50:06 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 28, 2011, 02:44:24 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 28, 2011, 02:16:06 PM
BUTTPUDDLE!!!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/highschool/07/28/kiel-commits-indiana/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a12&eref=sihp

What's not to like? His name's Gunner, he's from buttpuddle, and he's staying in buttpuddle so he can fail in front of his family and friends. I'm sure said family is already digging a nice living pit outside Memorial Stadium, so they can roast squirrel feet over a trash pile and brew homemade Shasta in an empty propane tank in between games.

What's not to like? Well, a certain member of said family:

http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=11085116

http://www.wthr.com/global/story.asp?s=13066395

Holy shit, why hasn't anyone told me about this Kiel family until now? Heavy drinking, washed-up former athlete dad from Dumphole, IN with a quick temper and two boys with trailer-ready names who will bring him the glory he could never achieve. I bet they bought a new 4 wheeler with the big fat money order they got from Kelvin WilsonSampson.

To be fair, Blair is the asshole uncle, and Illinois is the Big Ten "I" school with the history of paying players. IU, during its dirty days of Kelvin Sampson, committed the heinous crime of 3-way calling.

We're talking about Indiana here. The line between dad and uncle is thinner than Gunner's well-worn underoos. Brad Biggs' perineum after years of Tim Shaw's girth.

Wrong thread.

Biggsy's undercarriage smells like the birthin' fluids that the Kiels never bothered to hose out of their birthin' shed after Gunner was born.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Internet Apex on July 28, 2011, 05:38:08 PM
I'm in tears.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on July 29, 2011, 07:15:28 PM
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Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Yeti on July 29, 2011, 11:42:30 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 29, 2011, 07:15:28 PM
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Arkansas State
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: JD on August 06, 2011, 07:54:25 PM
Quote from: Alrish Yeltin on July 29, 2011, 11:42:30 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 29, 2011, 07:15:28 PM
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57. Illinois (http://www.presnapread.com/no-57-illinois)
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TBA: LSU, Michigan, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin

Which ones did I miss?

Arkansas State

Never forget.


I'm predicting a HOWL-ing good time for the A-State Red Wolves, y'all...DANG!
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BBM on August 06, 2011, 08:09:07 PM
Quote from: JD on August 06, 2011, 07:54:25 PM
Quote from: Alrish Yeltin on July 29, 2011, 11:42:30 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 29, 2011, 07:15:28 PM
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57. Illinois (http://www.presnapread.com/no-57-illinois)
59. Northern Illinois (http://www.presnapread.com/no-59-northern-illinois)
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Which ones did I miss?

Arkansas State

Never forget.


I'm predicting a HOWL-ing good time for the A-State Red Wolves, y'all...DANG!

If I know anything about Arkansas State, the jokes in the preview will be drier than the county the school resides in.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Yeti on August 06, 2011, 10:35:43 PM
Quote from: JD on August 06, 2011, 07:54:25 PM
Quote from: Alrish Yeltin on July 29, 2011, 11:42:30 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 29, 2011, 07:15:28 PM
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57. Illinois (http://www.presnapread.com/no-57-illinois)
59. Northern Illinois (http://www.presnapread.com/no-59-northern-illinois)
76. Purdue (http://www.presnapread.com/no-76-purdue)
92. Minnesota (http://www.presnapread.com/no-92-minnesota)
103. Indiana (http://www.presnapread.com/no-103-indiana)
TBA: LSU, Michigan, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin

Which ones did I miss?

Arkansas State

Never forget.


I'm predicting a HOWL-ing good time for the A-State Red Wolves, y'all...DANG!

Ryan Aplin, Derek Lawson, Amos Draper, and Allen Muse to the Sun Belt chammenship!
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: JD on August 07, 2011, 12:54:05 PM
Quote from: BBM on August 06, 2011, 08:09:07 PM
Quote from: JD on August 06, 2011, 07:54:25 PM
Quote from: Alrish Yeltin on July 29, 2011, 11:42:30 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 29, 2011, 07:15:28 PM
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38. Iowa (http://www.presnapread.com/no-38-iowa)
41. Michigan State (http://www.presnapread.com/no-41-michigan-state)
57. Illinois (http://www.presnapread.com/no-57-illinois)
59. Northern Illinois (http://www.presnapread.com/no-59-northern-illinois)
76. Purdue (http://www.presnapread.com/no-76-purdue)
92. Minnesota (http://www.presnapread.com/no-92-minnesota)
103. Indiana (http://www.presnapread.com/no-103-indiana)
TBA: LSU, Michigan, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin

Which ones did I miss?

Arkansas State

Never forget.


I'm predicting a HOWL-ing good time for the A-State Red Wolves, y'all...DANG!

If I know anything about Arkansas State, the jokes in the preview will be drier than the county the school resides in.


The county line is only about 20 minutes away.  And how many people can say they've been on a bona fide beer run?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Armchair_QB on August 07, 2011, 02:29:33 PM
Quote from: JD on August 07, 2011, 12:54:05 PM
Quote from: BBM on August 06, 2011, 08:09:07 PM
Quote from: JD on August 06, 2011, 07:54:25 PM
Quote from: Alrish Yeltin on July 29, 2011, 11:42:30 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 29, 2011, 07:15:28 PM
Pre-Snap Read Previews
35. Northwestern (will update with link when posted tonight)
38. Iowa (http://www.presnapread.com/no-38-iowa)
41. Michigan State (http://www.presnapread.com/no-41-michigan-state)
57. Illinois (http://www.presnapread.com/no-57-illinois)
59. Northern Illinois (http://www.presnapread.com/no-59-northern-illinois)
76. Purdue (http://www.presnapread.com/no-76-purdue)
92. Minnesota (http://www.presnapread.com/no-92-minnesota)
103. Indiana (http://www.presnapread.com/no-103-indiana)
TBA: LSU, Michigan, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin

Which ones did I miss?

Arkansas State

Never forget.


I'm predicting a HOWL-ing good time for the A-State Red Wolves, y'all...DANG!

If I know anything about Arkansas State, the jokes in the preview will be drier than the county the school resides in.


The county line is only about 20 minutes away.  And how many people can say they've been on a bona fide beer run?

Speaking from experience, it's possible to purchase beer in Jonesboro.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: JD on August 07, 2011, 03:05:54 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on August 07, 2011, 02:29:33 PM
Quote from: JD on August 07, 2011, 12:54:05 PM
Quote from: BBM on August 06, 2011, 08:09:07 PM
Quote from: JD on August 06, 2011, 07:54:25 PM
Quote from: Alrish Yeltin on July 29, 2011, 11:42:30 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 29, 2011, 07:15:28 PM
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35. Northwestern (will update with link when posted tonight)
38. Iowa (http://www.presnapread.com/no-38-iowa)
41. Michigan State (http://www.presnapread.com/no-41-michigan-state)
57. Illinois (http://www.presnapread.com/no-57-illinois)
59. Northern Illinois (http://www.presnapread.com/no-59-northern-illinois)
76. Purdue (http://www.presnapread.com/no-76-purdue)
92. Minnesota (http://www.presnapread.com/no-92-minnesota)
103. Indiana (http://www.presnapread.com/no-103-indiana)
TBA: LSU, Michigan, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin

Which ones did I miss?

Arkansas State

Never forget.


I'm predicting a HOWL-ing good time for the A-State Red Wolves, y'all...DANG!

If I know anything about Arkansas State, the jokes in the preview will be drier than the county the school resides in.


The county line is only about 20 minutes away.  And how many people can say they've been on a bona fide beer run?

Speaking from experience, it's possible to purchase beer in Jonesboro.

Yeah.  From restaurants or "clubs" or such.  What are you?  Some kind of richie?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Shooter on August 07, 2011, 03:13:59 PM
Quote from: JD on August 07, 2011, 12:54:05 PM
Quote from: BBM on August 06, 2011, 08:09:07 PM
Quote from: JD on August 06, 2011, 07:54:25 PM
Quote from: Alrish Yeltin on July 29, 2011, 11:42:30 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 29, 2011, 07:15:28 PM
Pre-Snap Read Previews
35. Northwestern (will update with link when posted tonight)
38. Iowa (http://www.presnapread.com/no-38-iowa)
41. Michigan State (http://www.presnapread.com/no-41-michigan-state)
57. Illinois (http://www.presnapread.com/no-57-illinois)
59. Northern Illinois (http://www.presnapread.com/no-59-northern-illinois)
76. Purdue (http://www.presnapread.com/no-76-purdue)
92. Minnesota (http://www.presnapread.com/no-92-minnesota)
103. Indiana (http://www.presnapread.com/no-103-indiana)
TBA: LSU, Michigan, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin

Which ones did I miss?

Arkansas State

Never forget.


I'm predicting a HOWL-ing good time for the A-State Red Wolves, y'all...DANG!

If I know anything about Arkansas State, the jokes in the preview will be drier than the county the school resides in.


The county line is only about 20 minutes away.  And how many people can say they've been on a bona fide beer run?
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Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Armchair_QB on August 07, 2011, 05:54:12 PM
Quote from: JD on August 07, 2011, 03:05:54 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on August 07, 2011, 02:29:33 PM
Quote from: JD on August 07, 2011, 12:54:05 PM
Quote from: BBM on August 06, 2011, 08:09:07 PM
Quote from: JD on August 06, 2011, 07:54:25 PM
Quote from: Alrish Yeltin on July 29, 2011, 11:42:30 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 29, 2011, 07:15:28 PM
Pre-Snap Read Previews
35. Northwestern (will update with link when posted tonight)
38. Iowa (http://www.presnapread.com/no-38-iowa)
41. Michigan State (http://www.presnapread.com/no-41-michigan-state)
57. Illinois (http://www.presnapread.com/no-57-illinois)
59. Northern Illinois (http://www.presnapread.com/no-59-northern-illinois)
76. Purdue (http://www.presnapread.com/no-76-purdue)
92. Minnesota (http://www.presnapread.com/no-92-minnesota)
103. Indiana (http://www.presnapread.com/no-103-indiana)
TBA: LSU, Michigan, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin

Which ones did I miss?

Arkansas State

Never forget.


I'm predicting a HOWL-ing good time for the A-State Red Wolves, y'all...DANG!

If I know anything about Arkansas State, the jokes in the preview will be drier than the county the school resides in.


The county line is only about 20 minutes away.  And how many people can say they've been on a bona fide beer run?

Speaking from experience, it's possible to purchase beer in Jonesboro.

Yeah.  From restaurants or "clubs" or such.  What are you?  Some kind of richie?

Hey, I only spent one night there and got out as fast as I could. Didn't realize you couldn't buy it in stores.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: flannj on August 07, 2011, 05:56:38 PM
Quote from: JD on August 07, 2011, 12:54:05 PM
Quote from: BBM on August 06, 2011, 08:09:07 PM
Quote from: JD on August 06, 2011, 07:54:25 PM
Quote from: Alrish Yeltin on July 29, 2011, 11:42:30 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 29, 2011, 07:15:28 PM
Pre-Snap Read Previews
35. Northwestern (will update with link when posted tonight)
38. Iowa (http://www.presnapread.com/no-38-iowa)
41. Michigan State (http://www.presnapread.com/no-41-michigan-state)
57. Illinois (http://www.presnapread.com/no-57-illinois)
59. Northern Illinois (http://www.presnapread.com/no-59-northern-illinois)
76. Purdue (http://www.presnapread.com/no-76-purdue)
92. Minnesota (http://www.presnapread.com/no-92-minnesota)
103. Indiana (http://www.presnapread.com/no-103-indiana)
TBA: LSU, Michigan, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin

Which ones did I miss?

Arkansas State

Never forget.


I'm predicting a HOWL-ing good time for the A-State Red Wolves, y'all...DANG!

If I know anything about Arkansas State, the jokes in the preview will be drier than the county the school resides in.


The county line is only about 20 minutes away.  And how many people can say they've been on a bona fide beer run?

Really?

Try the late 1970's going to school in a town that serves just 3.2 and you possess the only legitimate ID amongst your idiot "friends".


Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: flannj on August 07, 2011, 05:58:22 PM

In Ohio.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Yeti on August 07, 2011, 06:10:09 PM
seam
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: SKO on August 16, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
Miami is fucking screwed.  (http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=Alkq1CDlVpTBYpFBsVhwULY5nYcB?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611) The guy bought Devin Hester's engagement ring. Kellen Winslow, Jr. crashed the dude's jet ski. He spent a couple million (he has receipts and photos for everything) on illegal gifts to dozens of the university's best players over eight years. This is SMU-style shit. They may get the death penalty. At the very least they're going to make Ohio State and USC look like they got off easy.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 05:12:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 16, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
Miami is fucking screwed.  (http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=Alkq1CDlVpTBYpFBsVhwULY5nYcB?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611) The guy bought Devin Hester's engagement ring. Kellen Winslow, Jr. crashed the dude's jet ski. He spent a couple million (he has receipts and photos for everything) on illegal gifts to dozens of the university's best players over eight years. This is SMU-style shit. They may get the death penalty. At the very least they're going to make Ohio State and USC look like they got off easy.

Is this a surprise?  There are probably 50 other schools that do the exact same thing.  Who cares?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: SKO on August 17, 2011, 07:08:02 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 05:12:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 16, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
Miami is fucking screwed.  (http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=Alkq1CDlVpTBYpFBsVhwULY5nYcB?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611) The guy bought Devin Hester's engagement ring. Kellen Winslow, Jr. crashed the dude's jet ski. He spent a couple million (he has receipts and photos for everything) on illegal gifts to dozens of the university's best players over eight years. This is SMU-style shit. They may get the death penalty. At the very least they're going to make Ohio State and USC look like they got off easy.

Is this a surprise?  There are probably 50 other schools that do the exact same thing.  Who cares?

Yes, thanks for quoting Meatball College Football Fan Axiom #2, but the point is that they got caught with hard evidence worse than anything the NCAA has seen since SMU in 1987. If they get the "lack of institutional control" label thrown on them the whole program could be going up in smoke.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Yeti on August 17, 2011, 07:26:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 07:08:02 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 05:12:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 16, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
Miami is fucking screwed.  (http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=Alkq1CDlVpTBYpFBsVhwULY5nYcB?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611) The guy bought Devin Hester's engagement ring. Kellen Winslow, Jr. crashed the dude's jet ski. He spent a couple million (he has receipts and photos for everything) on illegal gifts to dozens of the university's best players over eight years. This is SMU-style shit. They may get the death penalty. At the very least they're going to make Ohio State and USC look like they got off easy.

Is this a surprise?  There are probably 50 other schools that do the exact same thing.  Who cares?

Yes, thanks for quoting Meatball College Football Fan Axiom #2, but the point is that they got caught with hard evidence worse than anything the NCAA has seen since SMU in 1987. If they get the "lack of institutional control" label thrown on them the whole program could be going up in smoke.

What does oleg have to do with this?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on August 17, 2011, 08:36:29 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 07:08:02 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 05:12:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 16, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
Miami is fucking screwed.  (http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=Alkq1CDlVpTBYpFBsVhwULY5nYcB?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611) The guy bought Devin Hester's engagement ring. Kellen Winslow, Jr. crashed the dude's jet ski. He spent a couple million (he has receipts and photos for everything) on illegal gifts to dozens of the university's best players over eight years. This is SMU-style shit. They may get the death penalty. At the very least they're going to make Ohio State and USC look like they got off easy.

Is this a surprise?  There are probably 50 other schools that do the exact same thing.  Who cares?

Yes, thanks for quoting Meatball College Football Fan Axiom #2, but the point is that they got caught with hard evidence worse than anything the NCAA has seen since SMU in 1987. If they get the "lack of institutional control" label thrown on them the whole program could be going up in smoke.

Eh, I agree with TDubbs here.  In the last 15 years I swear there have been at least 5 college football scandals labled as "worse than SMU".

I'd be surprised if any school ever gets the "death penalty" again.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: SKO on August 17, 2011, 08:49:46 AM
Quote from: CT III on August 17, 2011, 08:36:29 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 07:08:02 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 05:12:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 16, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
Miami is fucking screwed.  (http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=Alkq1CDlVpTBYpFBsVhwULY5nYcB?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611) The guy bought Devin Hester's engagement ring. Kellen Winslow, Jr. crashed the dude's jet ski. He spent a couple million (he has receipts and photos for everything) on illegal gifts to dozens of the university's best players over eight years. This is SMU-style shit. They may get the death penalty. At the very least they're going to make Ohio State and USC look like they got off easy.

Is this a surprise?  There are probably 50 other schools that do the exact same thing.  Who cares?

Yes, thanks for quoting Meatball College Football Fan Axiom #2, but the point is that they got caught with hard evidence worse than anything the NCAA has seen since SMU in 1987. If they get the "lack of institutional control" label thrown on them the whole program could be going up in smoke.

Eh, I agree with TDubbs here.  In the last 15 years I swear there have been at least 5 college football scandals labled as "worse than SMU".

I'd be surprised if any school ever gets the "death penalty" again.

I don't think they'll ever use the death penalty again either, but the actual violations committed are the most egregious since then. This isn't just catching Reggie Bush living like a king, this is practically every star player Miami's had in decade caught with hard evidence. I'd say we're going to see much tougher punishments than what they levelled at USC at least. Probably a very significant bowl ban and a reduction of scholarships to the point that they're removed from contending for a significant time period.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 08:58:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 07:08:02 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 05:12:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 16, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
Miami is fucking screwed.  (http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=Alkq1CDlVpTBYpFBsVhwULY5nYcB?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611) The guy bought Devin Hester's engagement ring. Kellen Winslow, Jr. crashed the dude's jet ski. He spent a couple million (he has receipts and photos for everything) on illegal gifts to dozens of the university's best players over eight years. This is SMU-style shit. They may get the death penalty. At the very least they're going to make Ohio State and USC look like they got off easy.

Is this a surprise?  There are probably 50 other schools that do the exact same thing.  Who cares?

Yes, thanks for quoting Meatball College Football Fan Axiom #2, but the point is that they got caught with hard evidence worse than anything the NCAA has seen since SMU in 1987. If they get the "lack of institutional control" label thrown on them the whole program could be going up in smoke.

It maybe meatball, but it's true. USC was the worst, until Ohio State became the worst, and now Miami is the worst. This is not counting the Auburns, Oregons, North Carolinas, etc.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on August 17, 2011, 09:05:15 AM
This seems worse than the recent scandals. There is a huge list of players getting more than tattoos. This is a big deal and I'm excited to see all the fallout.

College football is great but the NCAA has done their best to make sure it's as corrupt and backward as FIFA.

Shit, the NCAA is America's FIFA.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 09:05:46 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 08:58:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 07:08:02 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 05:12:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 16, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
Miami is fucking screwed.  (http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=Alkq1CDlVpTBYpFBsVhwULY5nYcB?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611) The guy bought Devin Hester's engagement ring. Kellen Winslow, Jr. crashed the dude's jet ski. He spent a couple million (he has receipts and photos for everything) on illegal gifts to dozens of the university's best players over eight years. This is SMU-style shit. They may get the death penalty. At the very least they're going to make Ohio State and USC look like they got off easy.

Is this a surprise?  There are probably 50 other schools that do the exact same thing.  Who cares?

Yes, thanks for quoting Meatball College Football Fan Axiom #2, but the point is that they got caught with hard evidence worse than anything the NCAA has seen since SMU in 1987. If they get the "lack of institutional control" label thrown on them the whole program could be going up in smoke.

It maybe meatball, but it's true. USC was the worst, until Ohio State became the worst, and now Miami is the worst. This is not counting the Auburns, Oregons, North Carolinas, etc.

Not to mention Illinois.  You think that any of these "top recruit" gangsters want to come from Floriday to Bumblefuck, IL to play in the freezing cold and for a shitty team unless they got a bag full of cash that was larger than the bag full of cash offered by the other colleges?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: SKO on August 17, 2011, 09:14:12 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 08:58:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 07:08:02 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 05:12:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 16, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
Miami is fucking screwed.  (http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=Alkq1CDlVpTBYpFBsVhwULY5nYcB?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611) The guy bought Devin Hester's engagement ring. Kellen Winslow, Jr. crashed the dude's jet ski. He spent a couple million (he has receipts and photos for everything) on illegal gifts to dozens of the university's best players over eight years. This is SMU-style shit. They may get the death penalty. At the very least they're going to make Ohio State and USC look like they got off easy.

Is this a surprise?  There are probably 50 other schools that do the exact same thing.  Who cares?

Yes, thanks for quoting Meatball College Football Fan Axiom #2, but the point is that they got caught with hard evidence worse than anything the NCAA has seen since SMU in 1987. If they get the "lack of institutional control" label thrown on them the whole program could be going up in smoke.

It maybe meatball, but it's true. USC was the worst, until Ohio State became the worst, and now Miami is the worst. This is not counting the Auburns, Oregons, North Carolinas, etc.

I'm not saying the "Everybody does it" thing is the meatball part, I'm saying the "who cares because everybody does it" is the meatball part. The fact that we all think everybody does it is one thing, my point is that Miami just got caught with something far worse than what other schools have been caught with since SMU. It's fine for us to say "So what? Everybody does it" but that isn't what the NCAA is going to say and my point is that Miami is going to get hit hard for this and that'll have an actual affect on the on-field product for college football, and that's why it's relevant. I'm not moralizing.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: SKO on August 17, 2011, 09:21:39 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 09:14:12 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 08:58:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 07:08:02 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 05:12:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 16, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
Miami is fucking screwed.  (http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=Alkq1CDlVpTBYpFBsVhwULY5nYcB?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611) The guy bought Devin Hester's engagement ring. Kellen Winslow, Jr. crashed the dude's jet ski. He spent a couple million (he has receipts and photos for everything) on illegal gifts to dozens of the university's best players over eight years. This is SMU-style shit. They may get the death penalty. At the very least they're going to make Ohio State and USC look like they got off easy.

Is this a surprise?  There are probably 50 other schools that do the exact same thing.  Who cares?

Yes, thanks for quoting Meatball College Football Fan Axiom #2, but the point is that they got caught with hard evidence worse than anything the NCAA has seen since SMU in 1987. If they get the "lack of institutional control" label thrown on them the whole program could be going up in smoke.

It maybe meatball, but it's true. USC was the worst, until Ohio State became the worst, and now Miami is the worst. This is not counting the Auburns, Oregons, North Carolinas, etc.

I'm not saying the "Everybody does it" thing is the meatball part, I'm saying the "who cares because everybody does it" is the meatball part. The fact that we all think everybody does it is one thing, my point is that Miami just got caught with something far worse than what other schools have been caught with since SMU. It's fine for us to say "So what? Everybody does it" but that isn't what the NCAA is going to say and my point is that Miami is going to get hit hard for this and that'll have an actual affect on the on-field product for college football, and that's why it's relevant. I'm not moralizing.

DPD, but what they've been caught with is far worse than what USC, Ohio State, Oregon, North Carolina, and Auburn have, to this point, been caught with. USC was a handful of players receiving financial assistance with plausible deniability on the part of the staff. Ohio State was players selling their own shit for for tattoos and a failure of admission on the coaching staff, but not active participation as far as anyone has proven so far. Oregon so far has only been caught with paying a guy for doing some unofficial recruiting. Auburn will probably go down hard if the NCAA really does slam them for actually paying Newton, but it hasn't happened yet. UNC was players talking to and taking benefits from agents but the coaching staff maintained plausible deniability up until the last scandal, but even then we're not talking the kind of money or benefits or the number of players/years involved here. This is an entire decade's worth of Miami players and the active involvement and participation of several coaches from both the basketball and football teams, not to mention some transferred players like the current starting QB for Purdue. This is huge. You can dismiss it with the "everybody does it" wanking motion but that doesn't change the fact that, based on what other programs have been caught with, this is far worse.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: SKO on August 17, 2011, 09:27:37 AM
Triple posting douche (but I'm long winded and everyone knows it so whatever), the main point here is that the other programs recently have had largely individual transgressions of the lesser category of "failure to comply" but not the dreaded "Lack of Insitutional Control" label that destroyed SMU, but based on the evidence and the vast number of players/coaches and transgressions (the guy gave the players money to pay for abortions, which I don't think is probably going to sit well with the faux-moralism of the NCAA) I don't see how they can possibly get away with this, especially since this isn't exactly Miami's first rodeo with a heaping pile of violations.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Tony on August 17, 2011, 09:28:32 AM
Is there any way we can get Notre Dame to do more of this kind of thing, because it seems like they aren't doing nearly enough.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 09:30:14 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 09:14:12 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 08:58:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 07:08:02 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 05:12:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 16, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
Miami is fucking screwed.  (http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=Alkq1CDlVpTBYpFBsVhwULY5nYcB?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611) The guy bought Devin Hester's engagement ring. Kellen Winslow, Jr. crashed the dude's jet ski. He spent a couple million (he has receipts and photos for everything) on illegal gifts to dozens of the university's best players over eight years. This is SMU-style shit. They may get the death penalty. At the very least they're going to make Ohio State and USC look like they got off easy.

Is this a surprise?  There are probably 50 other schools that do the exact same thing.  Who cares?

Yes, thanks for quoting Meatball College Football Fan Axiom #2, but the point is that they got caught with hard evidence worse than anything the NCAA has seen since SMU in 1987. If they get the "lack of institutional control" label thrown on them the whole program could be going up in smoke.

It maybe meatball, but it's true. USC was the worst, until Ohio State became the worst, and now Miami is the worst. This is not counting the Auburns, Oregons, North Carolinas, etc.

I'm not saying the "Everybody does it" thing is the meatball part, I'm saying the "who cares because everybody does it" is the meatball part. The fact that we all think everybody does it is one thing, my point is that Miami just got caught with something far worse than what other schools have been caught with since SMU. It's fine for us to say "So what? Everybody does it" but that isn't what the NCAA is going to say and my point is that Miami is going to get hit hard for this and that'll have an actual affect on the on-field product for college football, and that's why it's relevant. I'm not moralizing.


It doesn't matter that Miami got caught, nothing will change. The NCAA will put someone like Paul Dee in charge, who will drop the hammer like was done to USC. Then we will come to find out that the same Paul Dee was in charge of Miami during all of this. It's in the culture of the NCAA. Thus The "who cares because everybody does it" sentiment will aptly continue. The on field product will be fine, there are always teams that will Miami's or anyone else's shoes.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: SKO on August 17, 2011, 09:35:16 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 09:30:14 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 09:14:12 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 08:58:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 07:08:02 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 05:12:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 16, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
Miami is fucking screwed.  (http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=Alkq1CDlVpTBYpFBsVhwULY5nYcB?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611) The guy bought Devin Hester's engagement ring. Kellen Winslow, Jr. crashed the dude's jet ski. He spent a couple million (he has receipts and photos for everything) on illegal gifts to dozens of the university's best players over eight years. This is SMU-style shit. They may get the death penalty. At the very least they're going to make Ohio State and USC look like they got off easy.

Is this a surprise?  There are probably 50 other schools that do the exact same thing.  Who cares?

Yes, thanks for quoting Meatball College Football Fan Axiom #2, but the point is that they got caught with hard evidence worse than anything the NCAA has seen since SMU in 1987. If they get the "lack of institutional control" label thrown on them the whole program could be going up in smoke.

It maybe meatball, but it's true. USC was the worst, until Ohio State became the worst, and now Miami is the worst. This is not counting the Auburns, Oregons, North Carolinas, etc.

I'm not saying the "Everybody does it" thing is the meatball part, I'm saying the "who cares because everybody does it" is the meatball part. The fact that we all think everybody does it is one thing, my point is that Miami just got caught with something far worse than what other schools have been caught with since SMU. It's fine for us to say "So what? Everybody does it" but that isn't what the NCAA is going to say and my point is that Miami is going to get hit hard for this and that'll have an actual affect on the on-field product for college football, and that's why it's relevant. I'm not moralizing.


It doesn't matter that Miami got caught, nothing will change. The NCAA will put someone like Paul Dee in charge, who will drop the hammer like was done to USC. Then we will come to find out that the same Paul Dee was in charge of Miami during all of this. It's in the culture of the NCAA. Thus The "who cares because everybody does it" sentiment will aptly continue. The on field product will be fine, there are always teams that will Miami's or anyone else's shoes.

At what point did I come out and say that the entire NCAA is going to collapse or change the way it's doing things because of this? I find it to be worthwhile information on it's own that the Miami football program that has been one of college football's best since the 1980s is probably going to be a non-factor for a while because of this. That, to me, is news in and of itself.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on August 17, 2011, 09:39:59 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 09:05:46 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 08:58:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 07:08:02 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 05:12:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 16, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
Miami is fucking screwed.  (http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=Alkq1CDlVpTBYpFBsVhwULY5nYcB?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611) The guy bought Devin Hester's engagement ring. Kellen Winslow, Jr. crashed the dude's jet ski. He spent a couple million (he has receipts and photos for everything) on illegal gifts to dozens of the university's best players over eight years. This is SMU-style shit. They may get the death penalty. At the very least they're going to make Ohio State and USC look like they got off easy.

Is this a surprise?  There are probably 50 other schools that do the exact same thing.  Who cares?

Yes, thanks for quoting Meatball College Football Fan Axiom #2, but the point is that they got caught with hard evidence worse than anything the NCAA has seen since SMU in 1987. If they get the "lack of institutional control" label thrown on them the whole program could be going up in smoke.

It maybe meatball, but it's true. USC was the worst, until Ohio State became the worst, and now Miami is the worst. This is not counting the Auburns, Oregons, North Carolinas, etc.

Not to mention Illinois.  You think that any of these "top recruit" gangsters want to come from Floriday to Bumblefuck, IL to play in the freezing cold and for a shitty team unless they got a bag full of cash that was larger than the bag full of cash offered by the other colleges?

Too true. Zook is the king of hookers and blow but since Illinois is still terrible no one cares enough to investigate. There's no legitimate reason for guys like Benn and Vontae to have played at Illinois. I've been to Champaign. It's ok for suburban white people who don't mind the smell of cow shit and just want to drink. For guys with actual athletic futures - why the fuck would you go to freezing/boiling hot, shit-stinking Champaign when you can go to any number of Southern/California schools where the hottest girl doesn't look like Yoko Ono.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: SKO on August 17, 2011, 09:51:03 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 17, 2011, 09:39:59 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 09:05:46 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 08:58:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 07:08:02 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 05:12:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 16, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
Miami is fucking screwed.  (http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=Alkq1CDlVpTBYpFBsVhwULY5nYcB?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611) The guy bought Devin Hester's engagement ring. Kellen Winslow, Jr. crashed the dude's jet ski. He spent a couple million (he has receipts and photos for everything) on illegal gifts to dozens of the university's best players over eight years. This is SMU-style shit. They may get the death penalty. At the very least they're going to make Ohio State and USC look like they got off easy.

Is this a surprise?  There are probably 50 other schools that do the exact same thing.  Who cares?

Yes, thanks for quoting Meatball College Football Fan Axiom #2, but the point is that they got caught with hard evidence worse than anything the NCAA has seen since SMU in 1987. If they get the "lack of institutional control" label thrown on them the whole program could be going up in smoke.

It maybe meatball, but it's true. USC was the worst, until Ohio State became the worst, and now Miami is the worst. This is not counting the Auburns, Oregons, North Carolinas, etc.

Not to mention Illinois.  You think that any of these "top recruit" gangsters want to come from Floriday to Bumblefuck, IL to play in the freezing cold and for a shitty team unless they got a bag full of cash that was larger than the bag full of cash offered by the other colleges?

Too true. Zook is the king of hookers and blow but since Illinois is still terrible no one cares enough to investigate. There's no legitimate reason for guys like Benn and Vontae to have played at Illinois. I've been to Champaign. It's ok for suburban white people who don't mind the smell of cow shit and just want to drink. For guys with actual athletic futures - why the fuck would you go to freezing/boiling hot, shit-stinking Champaign when you can go to any number of Southern/California schools where the hottest girl doesn't look like Yoko Ono.

The truly frustrating thing about Zook is that he's probably going to get fired at some point and people are eventually going to stumble on the obvious truth about where all of those recruits came from and the school is going to get slammed and we're all going to pissed because all we got for it was a shellacking in the Rose Bowl that one time.

Anyway, my original point, "Miami is screwed," still stands.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 09:55:05 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 09:35:16 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 09:30:14 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 09:14:12 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 08:58:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 07:08:02 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 05:12:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 16, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
Miami is fucking screwed.  (http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=Alkq1CDlVpTBYpFBsVhwULY5nYcB?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611) The guy bought Devin Hester's engagement ring. Kellen Winslow, Jr. crashed the dude's jet ski. He spent a couple million (he has receipts and photos for everything) on illegal gifts to dozens of the university's best players over eight years. This is SMU-style shit. They may get the death penalty. At the very least they're going to make Ohio State and USC look like they got off easy.

Is this a surprise?  There are probably 50 other schools that do the exact same thing.  Who cares?

Yes, thanks for quoting Meatball College Football Fan Axiom #2, but the point is that they got caught with hard evidence worse than anything the NCAA has seen since SMU in 1987. If they get the "lack of institutional control" label thrown on them the whole program could be going up in smoke.

It maybe meatball, but it's true. USC was the worst, until Ohio State became the worst, and now Miami is the worst. This is not counting the Auburns, Oregons, North Carolinas, etc.

I'm not saying the "Everybody does it" thing is the meatball part, I'm saying the "who cares because everybody does it" is the meatball part. The fact that we all think everybody does it is one thing, my point is that Miami just got caught with something far worse than what other schools have been caught with since SMU. It's fine for us to say "So what? Everybody does it" but that isn't what the NCAA is going to say and my point is that Miami is going to get hit hard for this and that'll have an actual affect on the on-field product for college football, and that's why it's relevant. I'm not moralizing.


It doesn't matter that Miami got caught, nothing will change. The NCAA will put someone like Paul Dee in charge, who will drop the hammer like was done to USC. Then we will come to find out that the same Paul Dee was in charge of Miami during all of this. It's in the culture of the NCAA. Thus The "who cares because everybody does it" sentiment will aptly continue. The on field product will be fine, there are always teams that will Miami's or anyone else's shoes.

At what point did I come out and say that the entire NCAA is going to collapse or change the way it's doing things because of this? I find it to be worthwhile information on it's own that the Miami football program that has been one of college football's best since the 1980s is probably going to be a non-factor for a while because of this. That, to me, is news in and of itself.

I agree it's news, but we can't dismiss the Who cares everybody does it sentiment as strictly meatball. There is alot of truth to it. In the end, you're right Miami is screwed irregardless.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Internet Apex on August 17, 2011, 09:58:32 AM
How many teams have to get screwed before Purdue can go .500 again?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on August 17, 2011, 09:59:11 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 09:55:05 AM
irregardless

Intrepid Reader: Morpheus

JESUS!
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on August 17, 2011, 10:02:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 09:51:03 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 17, 2011, 09:39:59 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 09:05:46 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 08:58:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 07:08:02 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 05:12:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 16, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
Miami is fucking screwed.  (http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=Alkq1CDlVpTBYpFBsVhwULY5nYcB?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611) The guy bought Devin Hester's engagement ring. Kellen Winslow, Jr. crashed the dude's jet ski. He spent a couple million (he has receipts and photos for everything) on illegal gifts to dozens of the university's best players over eight years. This is SMU-style shit. They may get the death penalty. At the very least they're going to make Ohio State and USC look like they got off easy.

Is this a surprise?  There are probably 50 other schools that do the exact same thing.  Who cares?

Yes, thanks for quoting Meatball College Football Fan Axiom #2, but the point is that they got caught with hard evidence worse than anything the NCAA has seen since SMU in 1987. If they get the "lack of institutional control" label thrown on them the whole program could be going up in smoke.

It maybe meatball, but it's true. USC was the worst, until Ohio State became the worst, and now Miami is the worst. This is not counting the Auburns, Oregons, North Carolinas, etc.

Not to mention Illinois.  You think that any of these "top recruit" gangsters want to come from Floriday to Bumblefuck, IL to play in the freezing cold and for a shitty team unless they got a bag full of cash that was larger than the bag full of cash offered by the other colleges?

Too true. Zook is the king of hookers and blow but since Illinois is still terrible no one cares enough to investigate. There's no legitimate reason for guys like Benn and Vontae to have played at Illinois. I've been to Champaign. It's ok for suburban white people who don't mind the smell of cow shit and just want to drink. For guys with actual athletic futures - why the fuck would you go to freezing/boiling hot, shit-stinking Champaign when you can go to any number of Southern/California schools where the hottest girl doesn't look like Yoko Ono.

The truly frustrating thing about Zook is that he's probably going to get fired at some point and people are eventually going to stumble on the obvious truth about where all of those recruits came from and the school is going to get slammed and we're all going to pissed because all we got for it was a shellacking in the Rose Bowl that one time.

Anyway, my original point, "Miami is screwed," still stands.


Conversely, I'll guess that the NCAA will give them some punishment that makes them bad for 3-4 years and then the heat will be off and they'll start cheating and winning again.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: SKO on August 17, 2011, 10:04:31 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 09:55:05 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 09:35:16 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 09:30:14 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 09:14:12 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 08:58:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 07:08:02 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 05:12:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 16, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
Miami is fucking screwed.  (http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=Alkq1CDlVpTBYpFBsVhwULY5nYcB?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611) The guy bought Devin Hester's engagement ring. Kellen Winslow, Jr. crashed the dude's jet ski. He spent a couple million (he has receipts and photos for everything) on illegal gifts to dozens of the university's best players over eight years. This is SMU-style shit. They may get the death penalty. At the very least they're going to make Ohio State and USC look like they got off easy.

Is this a surprise?  There are probably 50 other schools that do the exact same thing.  Who cares?

Yes, thanks for quoting Meatball College Football Fan Axiom #2, but the point is that they got caught with hard evidence worse than anything the NCAA has seen since SMU in 1987. If they get the "lack of institutional control" label thrown on them the whole program could be going up in smoke.

It maybe meatball, but it's true. USC was the worst, until Ohio State became the worst, and now Miami is the worst. This is not counting the Auburns, Oregons, North Carolinas, etc.

I'm not saying the "Everybody does it" thing is the meatball part, I'm saying the "who cares because everybody does it" is the meatball part. The fact that we all think everybody does it is one thing, my point is that Miami just got caught with something far worse than what other schools have been caught with since SMU. It's fine for us to say "So what? Everybody does it" but that isn't what the NCAA is going to say and my point is that Miami is going to get hit hard for this and that'll have an actual affect on the on-field product for college football, and that's why it's relevant. I'm not moralizing.


It doesn't matter that Miami got caught, nothing will change. The NCAA will put someone like Paul Dee in charge, who will drop the hammer like was done to USC. Then we will come to find out that the same Paul Dee was in charge of Miami during all of this. It's in the culture of the NCAA. Thus The "who cares because everybody does it" sentiment will aptly continue. The on field product will be fine, there are always teams that will Miami's or anyone else's shoes.

At what point did I come out and say that the entire NCAA is going to collapse or change the way it's doing things because of this? I find it to be worthwhile information on it's own that the Miami football program that has been one of college football's best since the 1980s is probably going to be a non-factor for a while because of this. That, to me, is news in and of itself.

I agree it's news, but we can't dismiss the Who cares everybody does it sentiment as strictly meatball. There is alot of truth to it. In the end, you're right Miami is screwed irregardless.

I'm not dismissing it entirely, just in this context. I'm not tring to moralize or wag the finger like most people who want to believe in the lie of amateur sports do. It was just irrelevant to my point that Miami's going to get nailed to the cross for it. Not that anyone here has done it, but most of the time I discuss these scandals people want you to follow into the Helen Lovejoy camp where guys like Jim Tressel are ruining our sacred sportsmanship or the "everybody does it, so why does it matter?" group. I'm completely amoral on the subject. I generally take money people offer me, so I don't blame these guys. Doesn't mean it's not interesting/worthwhile to note that those programs are getting hit for it or that Jim Tressel's not a despicable human being for going out and hawking books to doe-eyed Christians about how he's doing it the "right way" when he's just like everyone else. Much like I really don't give two shits if a baseball player is willing to take PEDs, but we all get pissed by the Palmeiros or "It's Okay to Believe in Me" Pujols who make some big show of their innocence before they get nailed.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: morpheus on August 17, 2011, 10:04:57 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on August 17, 2011, 09:59:11 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 09:55:05 AM
irregardless

Intrepid Reader: Morpheus

JESUS!

IT'S NOT A WORD, PEOPLE!
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 10:09:15 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 09:51:03 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 17, 2011, 09:39:59 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 09:05:46 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 08:58:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 07:08:02 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 05:12:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 16, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
Miami is fucking screwed.  (http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=Alkq1CDlVpTBYpFBsVhwULY5nYcB?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611) The guy bought Devin Hester's engagement ring. Kellen Winslow, Jr. crashed the dude's jet ski. He spent a couple million (he has receipts and photos for everything) on illegal gifts to dozens of the university's best players over eight years. This is SMU-style shit. They may get the death penalty. At the very least they're going to make Ohio State and USC look like they got off easy.

Is this a surprise?  There are probably 50 other schools that do the exact same thing.  Who cares?

Yes, thanks for quoting Meatball College Football Fan Axiom #2, but the point is that they got caught with hard evidence worse than anything the NCAA has seen since SMU in 1987. If they get the "lack of institutional control" label thrown on them the whole program could be going up in smoke.

It maybe meatball, but it's true. USC was the worst, until Ohio State became the worst, and now Miami is the worst. This is not counting the Auburns, Oregons, North Carolinas, etc.

Not to mention Illinois.  You think that any of these "top recruit" gangsters want to come from Floriday to Bumblefuck, IL to play in the freezing cold and for a shitty team unless they got a bag full of cash that was larger than the bag full of cash offered by the other colleges?

Too true. Zook is the king of hookers and blow but since Illinois is still terrible no one cares enough to investigate. There's no legitimate reason for guys like Benn and Vontae to have played at Illinois. I've been to Champaign. It's ok for suburban white people who don't mind the smell of cow shit and just want to drink. For guys with actual athletic futures - why the fuck would you go to freezing/boiling hot, shit-stinking Champaign when you can go to any number of Southern/California schools where the hottest girl doesn't look like Yoko Ono.

The truly frustrating thing about Zook is that he's probably going to get fired at some point and people are eventually going to stumble on the obvious truth about where all of those recruits came from and the school is going to get slammed and we're all going to pissed because all we got for it was a shellacking in the Rose Bowl that one time.

Anyway, my original point, "Miami is screwed," still stands.

Are we already forgetting that said cheating gave us that dominant performance in last year's Texas Bowl?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on August 17, 2011, 10:09:42 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 10:09:15 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 09:51:03 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 17, 2011, 09:39:59 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 09:05:46 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 08:58:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 07:08:02 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 05:12:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 16, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
Miami is fucking screwed.  (http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=Alkq1CDlVpTBYpFBsVhwULY5nYcB?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611) The guy bought Devin Hester's engagement ring. Kellen Winslow, Jr. crashed the dude's jet ski. He spent a couple million (he has receipts and photos for everything) on illegal gifts to dozens of the university's best players over eight years. This is SMU-style shit. They may get the death penalty. At the very least they're going to make Ohio State and USC look like they got off easy.

Is this a surprise?  There are probably 50 other schools that do the exact same thing.  Who cares?

Yes, thanks for quoting Meatball College Football Fan Axiom #2, but the point is that they got caught with hard evidence worse than anything the NCAA has seen since SMU in 1987. If they get the "lack of institutional control" label thrown on them the whole program could be going up in smoke.

It maybe meatball, but it's true. USC was the worst, until Ohio State became the worst, and now Miami is the worst. This is not counting the Auburns, Oregons, North Carolinas, etc.

Not to mention Illinois.  You think that any of these "top recruit" gangsters want to come from Floriday to Bumblefuck, IL to play in the freezing cold and for a shitty team unless they got a bag full of cash that was larger than the bag full of cash offered by the other colleges?

Too true. Zook is the king of hookers and blow but since Illinois is still terrible no one cares enough to investigate. There's no legitimate reason for guys like Benn and Vontae to have played at Illinois. I've been to Champaign. It's ok for suburban white people who don't mind the smell of cow shit and just want to drink. For guys with actual athletic futures - why the fuck would you go to freezing/boiling hot, shit-stinking Champaign when you can go to any number of Southern/California schools where the hottest girl doesn't look like Yoko Ono.

The truly frustrating thing about Zook is that he's probably going to get fired at some point and people are eventually going to stumble on the obvious truth about where all of those recruits came from and the school is going to get slammed and we're all going to pissed because all we got for it was a shellacking in the Rose Bowl that one time.

Anyway, my original point, "Miami is screwed," still stands.

Are we already forgetting that said cheating gave us that dominant performance in last year's Texas Bowl?

NATHAN SHITHOUSE!
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: SKO on August 17, 2011, 10:15:46 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 17, 2011, 10:09:42 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 10:09:15 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 09:51:03 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 17, 2011, 09:39:59 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 09:05:46 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 08:58:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 07:08:02 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 05:12:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 16, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
Miami is fucking screwed.  (http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=Alkq1CDlVpTBYpFBsVhwULY5nYcB?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611) The guy bought Devin Hester's engagement ring. Kellen Winslow, Jr. crashed the dude's jet ski. He spent a couple million (he has receipts and photos for everything) on illegal gifts to dozens of the university's best players over eight years. This is SMU-style shit. They may get the death penalty. At the very least they're going to make Ohio State and USC look like they got off easy.

Is this a surprise?  There are probably 50 other schools that do the exact same thing.  Who cares?

Yes, thanks for quoting Meatball College Football Fan Axiom #2, but the point is that they got caught with hard evidence worse than anything the NCAA has seen since SMU in 1987. If they get the "lack of institutional control" label thrown on them the whole program could be going up in smoke.

It maybe meatball, but it's true. USC was the worst, until Ohio State became the worst, and now Miami is the worst. This is not counting the Auburns, Oregons, North Carolinas, etc.

Not to mention Illinois.  You think that any of these "top recruit" gangsters want to come from Floriday to Bumblefuck, IL to play in the freezing cold and for a shitty team unless they got a bag full of cash that was larger than the bag full of cash offered by the other colleges?

Too true. Zook is the king of hookers and blow but since Illinois is still terrible no one cares enough to investigate. There's no legitimate reason for guys like Benn and Vontae to have played at Illinois. I've been to Champaign. It's ok for suburban white people who don't mind the smell of cow shit and just want to drink. For guys with actual athletic futures - why the fuck would you go to freezing/boiling hot, shit-stinking Champaign when you can go to any number of Southern/California schools where the hottest girl doesn't look like Yoko Ono.

The truly frustrating thing about Zook is that he's probably going to get fired at some point and people are eventually going to stumble on the obvious truth about where all of those recruits came from and the school is going to get slammed and we're all going to pissed because all we got for it was a shellacking in the Rose Bowl that one time.

Anyway, my original point, "Miami is screwed," still stands.

Are we already forgetting that said cheating gave us that dominant performance in last year's Texas Bowl?

NATHAN SHITHOUSE!

I prefer Schitheel. I like the kid, though. He's like the black Chris Leak. Phil Steele's got 'em winning at least 8 games this year, which they should since they have eight home games and a manageable road slate. We'll see how this plays out.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on August 17, 2011, 10:18:57 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 10:15:46 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 17, 2011, 10:09:42 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 10:09:15 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 09:51:03 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 17, 2011, 09:39:59 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 09:05:46 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 08:58:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 07:08:02 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 05:12:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 16, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
Miami is fucking screwed.  (http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=Alkq1CDlVpTBYpFBsVhwULY5nYcB?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611) The guy bought Devin Hester's engagement ring. Kellen Winslow, Jr. crashed the dude's jet ski. He spent a couple million (he has receipts and photos for everything) on illegal gifts to dozens of the university's best players over eight years. This is SMU-style shit. They may get the death penalty. At the very least they're going to make Ohio State and USC look like they got off easy.

Is this a surprise?  There are probably 50 other schools that do the exact same thing.  Who cares?

Yes, thanks for quoting Meatball College Football Fan Axiom #2, but the point is that they got caught with hard evidence worse than anything the NCAA has seen since SMU in 1987. If they get the "lack of institutional control" label thrown on them the whole program could be going up in smoke.

It maybe meatball, but it's true. USC was the worst, until Ohio State became the worst, and now Miami is the worst. This is not counting the Auburns, Oregons, North Carolinas, etc.

Not to mention Illinois.  You think that any of these "top recruit" gangsters want to come from Floriday to Bumblefuck, IL to play in the freezing cold and for a shitty team unless they got a bag full of cash that was larger than the bag full of cash offered by the other colleges?

Too true. Zook is the king of hookers and blow but since Illinois is still terrible no one cares enough to investigate. There's no legitimate reason for guys like Benn and Vontae to have played at Illinois. I've been to Champaign. It's ok for suburban white people who don't mind the smell of cow shit and just want to drink. For guys with actual athletic futures - why the fuck would you go to freezing/boiling hot, shit-stinking Champaign when you can go to any number of Southern/California schools where the hottest girl doesn't look like Yoko Ono.

The truly frustrating thing about Zook is that he's probably going to get fired at some point and people are eventually going to stumble on the obvious truth about where all of those recruits came from and the school is going to get slammed and we're all going to pissed because all we got for it was a shellacking in the Rose Bowl that one time.

Anyway, my original point, "Miami is screwed," still stands.

Are we already forgetting that said cheating gave us that dominant performance in last year's Texas Bowl?

NATHAN SHITHOUSE!

I prefer Schitheel. I like the kid, though. He's like the black Chris Leak. Phil Steele's got 'em winning at least 8 games this year, which they should since they have eight home games and a manageable road slate. We'll see how this plays out.

Holy shit, really? Eight games? Wow.

I saw Liguet the other day playing for the Chargers - didn't they lose a ton of players on defense? Who am I supposed to keep an eye on? Help me out.

I'll hang up and wait for your response.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 10:19:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 10:15:46 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 17, 2011, 10:09:42 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 10:09:15 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 09:51:03 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 17, 2011, 09:39:59 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 09:05:46 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 08:58:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 07:08:02 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 05:12:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 16, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
Miami is fucking screwed.  (http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=Alkq1CDlVpTBYpFBsVhwULY5nYcB?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611) The guy bought Devin Hester's engagement ring. Kellen Winslow, Jr. crashed the dude's jet ski. He spent a couple million (he has receipts and photos for everything) on illegal gifts to dozens of the university's best players over eight years. This is SMU-style shit. They may get the death penalty. At the very least they're going to make Ohio State and USC look like they got off easy.

Is this a surprise?  There are probably 50 other schools that do the exact same thing.  Who cares?

Yes, thanks for quoting Meatball College Football Fan Axiom #2, but the point is that they got caught with hard evidence worse than anything the NCAA has seen since SMU in 1987. If they get the "lack of institutional control" label thrown on them the whole program could be going up in smoke.

It maybe meatball, but it's true. USC was the worst, until Ohio State became the worst, and now Miami is the worst. This is not counting the Auburns, Oregons, North Carolinas, etc.

Not to mention Illinois.  You think that any of these "top recruit" gangsters want to come from Floriday to Bumblefuck, IL to play in the freezing cold and for a shitty team unless they got a bag full of cash that was larger than the bag full of cash offered by the other colleges?

Too true. Zook is the king of hookers and blow but since Illinois is still terrible no one cares enough to investigate. There's no legitimate reason for guys like Benn and Vontae to have played at Illinois. I've been to Champaign. It's ok for suburban white people who don't mind the smell of cow shit and just want to drink. For guys with actual athletic futures - why the fuck would you go to freezing/boiling hot, shit-stinking Champaign when you can go to any number of Southern/California schools where the hottest girl doesn't look like Yoko Ono.

The truly frustrating thing about Zook is that he's probably going to get fired at some point and people are eventually going to stumble on the obvious truth about where all of those recruits came from and the school is going to get slammed and we're all going to pissed because all we got for it was a shellacking in the Rose Bowl that one time.

Anyway, my original point, "Miami is screwed," still stands.

Are we already forgetting that said cheating gave us that dominant performance in last year's Texas Bowl?

NATHAN SHITHOUSE!

I prefer Schitheel. I like the kid, though. He's like the black Chris Leak. Phil Steele's got 'em winning at least 8 games this year, which they should since they have eight home games and a manageable road slate. We'll see how this plays out.

They should be good this year, but given that this is Illinois football I wouldn't be surprised if they fell flat on their face.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: R-V on August 17, 2011, 10:25:24 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 17, 2011, 10:18:57 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 10:15:46 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 17, 2011, 10:09:42 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 10:09:15 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 09:51:03 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 17, 2011, 09:39:59 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 09:05:46 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 08:58:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 07:08:02 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 05:12:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 16, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
Miami is fucking screwed.  (http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=Alkq1CDlVpTBYpFBsVhwULY5nYcB?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611) The guy bought Devin Hester's engagement ring. Kellen Winslow, Jr. crashed the dude's jet ski. He spent a couple million (he has receipts and photos for everything) on illegal gifts to dozens of the university's best players over eight years. This is SMU-style shit. They may get the death penalty. At the very least they're going to make Ohio State and USC look like they got off easy.

Is this a surprise?  There are probably 50 other schools that do the exact same thing.  Who cares?

Yes, thanks for quoting Meatball College Football Fan Axiom #2, but the point is that they got caught with hard evidence worse than anything the NCAA has seen since SMU in 1987. If they get the "lack of institutional control" label thrown on them the whole program could be going up in smoke.

It maybe meatball, but it's true. USC was the worst, until Ohio State became the worst, and now Miami is the worst. This is not counting the Auburns, Oregons, North Carolinas, etc.

Not to mention Illinois.  You think that any of these "top recruit" gangsters want to come from Floriday to Bumblefuck, IL to play in the freezing cold and for a shitty team unless they got a bag full of cash that was larger than the bag full of cash offered by the other colleges?

Too true. Zook is the king of hookers and blow but since Illinois is still terrible no one cares enough to investigate. There's no legitimate reason for guys like Benn and Vontae to have played at Illinois. I've been to Champaign. It's ok for suburban white people who don't mind the smell of cow shit and just want to drink. For guys with actual athletic futures - why the fuck would you go to freezing/boiling hot, shit-stinking Champaign when you can go to any number of Southern/California schools where the hottest girl doesn't look like Yoko Ono.

The truly frustrating thing about Zook is that he's probably going to get fired at some point and people are eventually going to stumble on the obvious truth about where all of those recruits came from and the school is going to get slammed and we're all going to pissed because all we got for it was a shellacking in the Rose Bowl that one time.

Anyway, my original point, "Miami is screwed," still stands.

Are we already forgetting that said cheating gave us that dominant performance in last year's Texas Bowl?

NATHAN SHITHOUSE!

I prefer Schitheel. I like the kid, though. He's like the black Chris Leak. Phil Steele's got 'em winning at least 8 games this year, which they should since they have eight home games and a manageable road slate. We'll see how this plays out.

Holy shit, really? Eight games? Wow.

I saw Liguet the other day playing for the Chargers - didn't they lose a ton of players on defense? Who am I supposed to keep an eye on? Help me out.

I'll hang up and wait for your response.

Their linebackers should be good, secondary decent, and the defensive line is young, dumb, and full of something.

And it'll be nice to start off the year without a guaranteed loss to Missouri.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: SKO on August 17, 2011, 10:36:06 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 17, 2011, 10:18:57 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 10:15:46 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 17, 2011, 10:09:42 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 10:09:15 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 09:51:03 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 17, 2011, 09:39:59 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 09:05:46 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 17, 2011, 08:58:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 07:08:02 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 05:12:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 16, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
Miami is fucking screwed.  (http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=Alkq1CDlVpTBYpFBsVhwULY5nYcB?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611) The guy bought Devin Hester's engagement ring. Kellen Winslow, Jr. crashed the dude's jet ski. He spent a couple million (he has receipts and photos for everything) on illegal gifts to dozens of the university's best players over eight years. This is SMU-style shit. They may get the death penalty. At the very least they're going to make Ohio State and USC look like they got off easy.

Is this a surprise?  There are probably 50 other schools that do the exact same thing.  Who cares?

Yes, thanks for quoting Meatball College Football Fan Axiom #2, but the point is that they got caught with hard evidence worse than anything the NCAA has seen since SMU in 1987. If they get the "lack of institutional control" label thrown on them the whole program could be going up in smoke.

It maybe meatball, but it's true. USC was the worst, until Ohio State became the worst, and now Miami is the worst. This is not counting the Auburns, Oregons, North Carolinas, etc.

Not to mention Illinois.  You think that any of these "top recruit" gangsters want to come from Floriday to Bumblefuck, IL to play in the freezing cold and for a shitty team unless they got a bag full of cash that was larger than the bag full of cash offered by the other colleges?

Too true. Zook is the king of hookers and blow but since Illinois is still terrible no one cares enough to investigate. There's no legitimate reason for guys like Benn and Vontae to have played at Illinois. I've been to Champaign. It's ok for suburban white people who don't mind the smell of cow shit and just want to drink. For guys with actual athletic futures - why the fuck would you go to freezing/boiling hot, shit-stinking Champaign when you can go to any number of Southern/California schools where the hottest girl doesn't look like Yoko Ono.

The truly frustrating thing about Zook is that he's probably going to get fired at some point and people are eventually going to stumble on the obvious truth about where all of those recruits came from and the school is going to get slammed and we're all going to pissed because all we got for it was a shellacking in the Rose Bowl that one time.

Anyway, my original point, "Miami is screwed," still stands.

Are we already forgetting that said cheating gave us that dominant performance in last year's Texas Bowl?

NATHAN SHITHOUSE!

I prefer Schitheel. I like the kid, though. He's like the black Chris Leak. Phil Steele's got 'em winning at least 8 games this year, which they should since they have eight home games and a manageable road slate. We'll see how this plays out.

Holy shit, really? Eight games? Wow.

I saw Liguet the other day playing for the Chargers - didn't they lose a ton of players on defense? Who am I supposed to keep an eye on? Help me out.

I'll hang up and wait for your response.

The talent is definitely down a notch without LeShoure, Martez Wilson, and Corey Liuget, but the secondary is pretty deep, as is the defensive line. Jason Ford's been serviceable as LeShoure's #2 and has the big body that makes you think he could be the next bowling ball in the Mendenhall/Leshoure tradition. The prediction's based less on talent than it is on a soft schedule. As RV noted, the annual rapefest of the Missouri game is over with. But five straight winnable games at home to star the season (Arkansas State, South Dakota State, AZ State, Western Michigan, and NW) and then they draw scandal-depleted OSU at home, Michigan at home (should be funny to watch them try to convert a team that's been solely recruited for the spread option over the last three years into a two-back team. Why wouldn't you wreck Denard Robinson's value?) and then road games vs. Purdue, Indiana, and Minnesota. Should be at least 7-8 wins in there somewhere, barring the Zook Factor.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Yeti on August 17, 2011, 11:04:54 AM
A State isn't a shoe-in victory. RED WOLVES!!!
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: SKO on August 17, 2011, 11:19:36 AM
Quote from: Alrish Yeltin on August 17, 2011, 11:04:54 AM
A State isn't a shoe-in victory. RED WOLVES!!!

All I said was winnable. They have to prove it against JD's boys.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Gilgamesh on August 17, 2011, 12:43:14 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 11:19:36 AM
Quote from: Alrish Yeltin on August 17, 2011, 11:04:54 AM
A State isn't a shoe-in victory. RED WOLVES!!!

All I said was winnable. They have to prove it against JD's boys.

Speaking of, I think I might attend that game.  Anyone else?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Yeti on August 17, 2011, 01:14:52 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on August 17, 2011, 12:43:14 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 11:19:36 AM
Quote from: Alrish Yeltin on August 17, 2011, 11:04:54 AM
A State isn't a shoe-in victory. RED WOLVES!!!

All I said was winnable. They have to prove it against JD's boys.

Speaking of, I think I might attend that game.  Anyone else?

I'd be interested. What day?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Richard Chuggar on August 17, 2011, 01:42:38 PM
Quote from: Alrish Yeltin on August 17, 2011, 01:14:52 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on August 17, 2011, 12:43:14 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 11:19:36 AM
Quote from: Alrish Yeltin on August 17, 2011, 11:04:54 AM
A State isn't a shoe-in victory. RED WOLVES!!!

All I said was winnable. They have to prove it against JD's boys.

Speaking of, I think I might attend that game.  Anyone else?

I'd be interested. What day?

Probably the day the game is being played.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Gilgamesh on August 17, 2011, 02:07:45 PM
Quote from: Alrish Yeltin on August 17, 2011, 01:14:52 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on August 17, 2011, 12:43:14 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2011, 11:19:36 AM
Quote from: Alrish Yeltin on August 17, 2011, 11:04:54 AM
A State isn't a shoe-in victory. RED WOLVES!!!

All I said was winnable. They have to prove it against JD's boys.

Speaking of, I think I might attend that game.  Anyone else?

I'd be interested. What day?

Sept. 3.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: flannj on September 11, 2011, 12:20:29 AM
#16
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: thehawk on September 11, 2011, 10:23:35 AM
Quote from: flannj on September 11, 2011, 12:20:29 AM
#16

Pretty entertaining 4th quarter though
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: flannj on September 11, 2011, 10:36:30 AM
Quote from: thehawk on September 11, 2011, 10:23:35 AM
Quote from: flannj on September 11, 2011, 12:20:29 AM
#16

Pretty entertaining 4th quarter though

My daughter had a soccer game so the flannjs didn't get to watch it in real time.
DVR'd it and and actually added a 1/2 hour extra time to the scheduled broadcast slot.
It wasn't enough and the recording quit with under two minutes left when ND was on their last touchdown drive.
So we missed that and the subsequent Michigan TD.

The amount of screaming directed at me by my daughter and Mrs. flannj for not adding more time was rather impressive.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: thehawk on September 11, 2011, 02:32:20 PM
Quote from: flannj on September 11, 2011, 10:36:30 AM
Quote from: thehawk on September 11, 2011, 10:23:35 AM
Quote from: flannj on September 11, 2011, 12:20:29 AM
#16

Pretty entertaining 4th quarter though

My daughter had a soccer game so the flannjs didn't get to watch it in real time.
DVR'd it and and actually added a 1/2 hour extra time to the scheduled broadcast slot.
It wasn't enough and the recording quit with under two minutes left when ND was on their last touchdown drive.
So we missed that and the subsequent Michigan TD.

The amount of screaming directed at me by my daughter and Mrs. flannj for not adding more time was rather impressive.

Even more impressed that your wife and daughter are college football fans. 
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: R-V on September 11, 2011, 03:38:16 PM
First 2-0 start for Illinois in 6 years. Not that they're necessarily any good, but it's nice that the dipshits in the athletic department finally figured out that they needed to stop scheduling Missouri for the first game every year.

Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Gilgamesh on September 11, 2011, 03:41:51 PM
Quote from: R-V on September 11, 2011, 03:38:16 PM
First 2-0 start for Illinois in 6 years. Not that they're necessarily any good, but it's nice that the dipshits in the athletic department finally figured out that they needed to stop scheduling Missouri for the first game every year.



Gerry Dinardo thinks the Illini are the best or second-best team in the Leaders division.  I'm eager to see how well they fare against Arizona State next week under the lights.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on September 11, 2011, 05:43:43 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 11, 2011, 03:41:51 PM
Quote from: R-V on September 11, 2011, 03:38:16 PM
First 2-0 start for Illinois in 6 years. Not that they're necessarily any good, but it's nice that the dipshits in the athletic department finally figured out that they needed to stop scheduling Missouri for the first game every year.



Gerry Dinardo thinks the Illini are the best or second-best team in the Leaders division.  I'm eager to see how well they fare against Arizona State next week under the lights.

Prediction: ASU's hideous freak jerseys distract Shithouse and Co. and the Fighting Illini lose their first game of the year. :,(
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: PenPho on September 12, 2011, 04:57:04 PM
Quote from: Slaky on September 11, 2011, 05:43:43 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 11, 2011, 03:41:51 PM
Quote from: R-V on September 11, 2011, 03:38:16 PM
First 2-0 start for Illinois in 6 years. Not that they're necessarily any good, but it's nice that the dipshits in the athletic department finally figured out that they needed to stop scheduling Missouri for the first game every year.



Gerry Dinardo thinks the Illini are the best or second-best team in the Leaders division.  I'm eager to see how well they fare against Arizona State next week under the lights.

Prediction: ASU's hideous freak jerseys distract Shithouse and Co. and the Fighting Illini lose their first game of the year. :,(

The away uniforms aren't really that different from the old aways.
I don't think you can use "hideous freak" here.

(https://a248.e.akamai.net/media2.abc15.com//photo/2011/04/12/asufootballwhiteuniform_20110412150052_320_240.JPG)
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on September 12, 2011, 05:03:59 PM
Quote from: PenPho on September 12, 2011, 04:57:04 PM
Quote from: Slaky on September 11, 2011, 05:43:43 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 11, 2011, 03:41:51 PM
Quote from: R-V on September 11, 2011, 03:38:16 PM
First 2-0 start for Illinois in 6 years. Not that they're necessarily any good, but it's nice that the dipshits in the athletic department finally figured out that they needed to stop scheduling Missouri for the first game every year.



Gerry Dinardo thinks the Illini are the best or second-best team in the Leaders division.  I'm eager to see how well they fare against Arizona State next week under the lights.

Prediction: ASU's hideous freak jerseys distract Shithouse and Co. and the Fighting Illini lose their first game of the year. :,(

The away uniforms aren't really that different from the old aways.
I don't think you can use "hideous freak" here.

(https://a248.e.akamai.net/media2.abc15.com//photo/2011/04/12/asufootballwhiteuniform_20110412150052_320_240.JPG)

I think what really does it on the black jerseys are those numbers. The fade is just hideous. Those are much better.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: PenPho on September 12, 2011, 05:13:36 PM
Quote from: Slaky on September 12, 2011, 05:03:59 PM
Quote from: PenPho on September 12, 2011, 04:57:04 PM
Quote from: Slaky on September 11, 2011, 05:43:43 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 11, 2011, 03:41:51 PM
Quote from: R-V on September 11, 2011, 03:38:16 PM
First 2-0 start for Illinois in 6 years. Not that they're necessarily any good, but it's nice that the dipshits in the athletic department finally figured out that they needed to stop scheduling Missouri for the first game every year.



Gerry Dinardo thinks the Illini are the best or second-best team in the Leaders division.  I'm eager to see how well they fare against Arizona State next week under the lights.

Prediction: ASU's hideous freak jerseys distract Shithouse and Co. and the Fighting Illini lose their first game of the year. :,(

The away uniforms aren't really that different from the old aways.
I don't think you can use "hideous freak" here.

(https://a248.e.akamai.net/media2.abc15.com//photo/2011/04/12/asufootballwhiteuniform_20110412150052_320_240.JPG)

I think what really does it on the black jerseys are those numbers. The fade is just hideous. Those are much better.

I think they're only planning on wearing them a couple more times, and then in the BCS Championship game.

Luckily, an expert on the adaptation of organisms to their environment, says that the all-black uniforms will have no effect as far as heat is concerned. (http://asunews.asu.edu/20110906_video_blackuniforms)
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: SKO on September 12, 2011, 06:40:11 PM
Quote from: Slaky on September 11, 2011, 05:43:43 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 11, 2011, 03:41:51 PM
Quote from: R-V on September 11, 2011, 03:38:16 PM
First 2-0 start for Illinois in 6 years. Not that they're necessarily any good, but it's nice that the dipshits in the athletic department finally figured out that they needed to stop scheduling Missouri for the first game every year.



Gerry Dinardo thinks the Illini are the best or second-best team in the Leaders division.  I'm eager to see how well they fare against Arizona State next week under the lights.

Prediction: ASU's hideous freak jerseys distract Shithouse and Co. and the Fighting Illini lose their first game of the year. :,(

Could happen, I suppose. If anything it'll be a combination of that tall freak Osweiler and Vontaze Burfict. But I like Illinois's chances at home. If this team doesn't somehow manage to win at least 8-10 games with the ridiculously favorable schedule they have, you can [Insert BC complaint about Ron Zook Here].
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on September 14, 2011, 10:21:30 PM
For your consideration. (http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/10/the-shame-of-college-sports/8643/)  Is the NCAA actually in trouble or will it sidestep all this too?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: R-V on September 17, 2011, 10:25:02 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 12, 2011, 06:40:11 PM
Quote from: Slaky on September 11, 2011, 05:43:43 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 11, 2011, 03:41:51 PM
Quote from: R-V on September 11, 2011, 03:38:16 PM
First 2-0 start for Illinois in 6 years. Not that they're necessarily any good, but it's nice that the dipshits in the athletic department finally figured out that they needed to stop scheduling Missouri for the first game every year.



Gerry Dinardo thinks the Illini are the best or second-best team in the Leaders division.  I'm eager to see how well they fare against Arizona State next week under the lights.

Prediction: ASU's hideous freak jerseys distract Shithouse and Co. and the Fighting Illini lose their first game of the year. :,(

Could happen, I suppose. If anything it'll be a combination of that tall freak Osweiler and Vontaze Burfict. But I like Illinois's chances at home. If this team doesn't somehow manage to win at least 8-10 games with the ridiculously favorable schedule they have, you can [Insert BC complaint about Ron Zook Here].

First 3-0 start for Illinois in 10 years. Not that they're necessarily any good, but it's nice that Jonathan Brown is a maneating sportsbeast.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Internet Apex on September 22, 2011, 09:18:55 AM
So did Northwestern end up losing to Army? That wasn't looking real promising. There was an Ellen Page lookalike stressing about it all by herself at Sheffield's. I wanted to stand by and console her with calm football logic but it was half-past party time and the Pex had to dip.

Hope she's doing ok.

EDIT: Black Nights 21, E.P. Doppelgangs 14.

:(
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Quality Start Machine on September 22, 2011, 09:27:56 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on September 22, 2011, 09:18:55 AM
So did Northwestern end up losing to Army? That wasn't looking real promising. There was an Ellen Page lookalike stressing about it all by herself at Sheffield's. I wanted to stand by and console her with calm football logic but it was half-past party time and the Pex had to dip.

Hope she's doing ok.

EDIT: Black Nights 21, E.P. Doppelgangs 14.

:(

ELLEN PAGE DOPPELGANGERS HATE THE TROOPS!
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Internet Apex on September 22, 2011, 09:30:23 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 22, 2011, 09:27:56 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on September 22, 2011, 09:18:55 AM
So did Northwestern end up losing to Army? That wasn't looking real promising. There was an Ellen Page lookalike stressing about it all by herself at Sheffield's. I wanted to stand by and console her with calm football logic but it was half-past party time and the Pex had to dip.

Hope she's doing ok.

EDIT: Black Nights 21, E.P. Doppelgangs 14.

:(

ELLEN PAGE DOPPELGANGERS HATE THE TROOPS!

Indeed. She yelled fumble every time a NW player went for a strip. She needed some help. I'm guessing she got it from somewhere.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Quality Start Machine on September 22, 2011, 10:28:28 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on September 22, 2011, 09:30:23 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 22, 2011, 09:27:56 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on September 22, 2011, 09:18:55 AM
So did Northwestern end up losing to Army? That wasn't looking real promising. There was an Ellen Page lookalike stressing about it all by herself at Sheffield's. I wanted to stand by and console her with calm football logic but it was half-past party time and the Pex had to dip.

Hope she's doing ok.

EDIT: Black Nights 21, E.P. Doppelgangs 14.

:(

ELLEN PAGE DOPPELGANGERS HATE THE TROOPS!

Indeed. She yelled fumble every time a NW player went for a strip. She needed some help. I'm guessing she got it from somewhere.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51EE3E11XKL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: morpheus on September 22, 2011, 03:10:26 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 22, 2011, 10:28:28 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on September 22, 2011, 09:30:23 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 22, 2011, 09:27:56 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on September 22, 2011, 09:18:55 AM
So did Northwestern end up losing to Army? That wasn't looking real promising. There was an Ellen Page lookalike stressing about it all by herself at Sheffield's. I wanted to stand by and console her with calm football logic but it was half-past party time and the Pex had to dip.

Hope she's doing ok.

EDIT: Black Nights 21, E.P. Doppelgangs 14.

:(

ELLEN PAGE DOPPELGANGERS HATE THE TROOPS!

Indeed. She yelled fumble every time a NW player went for a strip. She needed some help. I'm guessing she got it from somewhere.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51EE3E11XKL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

I'm guessing... not from there (http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/61573098.html).
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: SKO on September 24, 2011, 07:08:19 PM
Illinois is 4-0 for the first time since 1951. They still may not be all that good (except that front seven looks pretty damn stout and they are averaging almost 250 yards rushing per game), but I'm sure as hell not going to care when they're playing a January 1st bowl game.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: R-V on October 03, 2011, 08:46:53 AM
First 5-0 start for Illinois in 60 years. Not that they're necessarily any good, but it's nice that AJ Jenkins is 3rd in the nation in receiving yards and just put up too sitty ate on a bunch of nerds who can't even have a simple drilldo/buttspray demonstration in the classroom without running home with the howling fantods to mother and father.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on October 03, 2011, 08:58:25 AM
Quote from: R-V on October 03, 2011, 08:46:53 AM
First 5-0 start for Illinois in 60 years. Not that they're necessarily any good, but it's nice that AJ Jenkins is 3rd in the nation in receiving yards and just put up too sitty ate on a bunch of nerds who can't even have a simple drilldo/buttspray demonstration in the classroom without running home with the howling fantods to mother and father.

It was a hell of a fun game to watch. Looked like neither team wanted to win and in the end the Zooker prevailed. He's such a dope but I guess as long as you're not a Florida fan he's somewhat of a lovable dope.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Waco Kid on October 03, 2011, 09:40:47 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 03, 2011, 08:58:25 AM
Quote from: R-V on October 03, 2011, 08:46:53 AM
First 5-0 start for Illinois in 60 years. Not that they're necessarily any good, but it's nice that AJ Jenkins is 3rd in the nation in receiving yards and just put up too sitty ate on a bunch of nerds who can't even have a simple drilldo/buttspray demonstration in the classroom without running home with the howling fantods to mother and father.

It was a hell of a fun game to watch. Looked like neither team wanted to win and in the end the Zooker prevailed. He's such a dope but I guess as long as you're not a Florida fan he's somewhat of a lovable dope.

It's easy to love the Zooker now that the coordinators are doing all of the heavy lifting.

I wonder who Northwestern won't be able to stop next year.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Internet Apex on October 03, 2011, 09:51:34 AM
I hate college football.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: SKO on October 03, 2011, 11:25:35 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on October 03, 2011, 09:40:47 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 03, 2011, 08:58:25 AM
Quote from: R-V on October 03, 2011, 08:46:53 AM
First 5-0 start for Illinois in 60 years. Not that they're necessarily any good, but it's nice that AJ Jenkins is 3rd in the nation in receiving yards and just put up too sitty ate on a bunch of nerds who can't even have a simple drilldo/buttspray demonstration in the classroom without running home with the howling fantods to mother and father.

It was a hell of a fun game to watch. Looked like neither team wanted to win and in the end the Zooker prevailed. He's such a dope but I guess as long as you're not a Florida fan he's somewhat of a lovable dope.

It's easy to love the Zooker now that the coordinators are doing all of the heavy lifting.

I wonder who Northwestern won't be able to stop next year.

This. For now I'm fine with keeping the Zooker thanks to his recruiting skills, but the second Paul Petrino starts talking about taking a head job somewhere you can Zook and give Paul his promotion, because he and Koening are the whole reason for this turnaround. Zook's recruits are actually getting Coached for the first time in his tenure. I can only imagine what these people would have managed to get out of Juice, Mendenhall, and Benn had they had the chance.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Yeti on October 03, 2011, 11:54:13 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 03, 2011, 11:25:35 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on October 03, 2011, 09:40:47 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 03, 2011, 08:58:25 AM
Quote from: R-V on October 03, 2011, 08:46:53 AM
First 5-0 start for Illinois in 60 years. Not that they're necessarily any good, but it's nice that AJ Jenkins is 3rd in the nation in receiving yards and just put up too sitty ate on a bunch of nerds who can't even have a simple drilldo/buttspray demonstration in the classroom without running home with the howling fantods to mother and father.

It was a hell of a fun game to watch. Looked like neither team wanted to win and in the end the Zooker prevailed. He's such a dope but I guess as long as you're not a Florida fan he's somewhat of a lovable dope.

It's easy to love the Zooker now that the coordinators are doing all of the heavy lifting.

I wonder who Northwestern won't be able to stop next year.

This. For now I'm fine with keeping the Zooker thanks to his recruiting skills, but the second Paul Petrino starts talking about taking a head job somewhere you can Zook and give Paul his promotion, because he and Koening are the whole reason for this turnaround. Zook's recruits are actually getting Coached for the first time in his tenure. I can only imagine what these people would have managed to get out of Juice, Mendenhall, and Benn had they had the chance.

I like to Zook, too
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: SKO on October 03, 2011, 12:15:12 PM
Quote from: Alrish Yeltin on October 03, 2011, 11:54:13 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 03, 2011, 11:25:35 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on October 03, 2011, 09:40:47 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 03, 2011, 08:58:25 AM
Quote from: R-V on October 03, 2011, 08:46:53 AM
First 5-0 start for Illinois in 60 years. Not that they're necessarily any good, but it's nice that AJ Jenkins is 3rd in the nation in receiving yards and just put up too sitty ate on a bunch of nerds who can't even have a simple drilldo/buttspray demonstration in the classroom without running home with the howling fantods to mother and father.

It was a hell of a fun game to watch. Looked like neither team wanted to win and in the end the Zooker prevailed. He's such a dope but I guess as long as you're not a Florida fan he's somewhat of a lovable dope.

It's easy to love the Zooker now that the coordinators are doing all of the heavy lifting.

I wonder who Northwestern won't be able to stop next year.

This. For now I'm fine with keeping the Zooker thanks to his recruiting skills, but the second Paul Petrino starts talking about taking a head job somewhere you can toss Zook and give Paul his promotion, because he and Koening are the whole reason for this turnaround. Zook's recruits are actually getting Coached for the first time in his tenure. I can only imagine what these people would have managed to get out of Juice, Mendenhall, and Benn had they had the chance.

I like to Zook, too
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on October 15, 2011, 05:28:25 PM
Bumped for BC's furious 4th down rage?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Shooter on October 15, 2011, 06:33:28 PM
Indiana is bad at football.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BBM on October 15, 2011, 07:42:51 PM
Quote from: Shooter on October 15, 2011, 06:33:28 PM
Indiana is bad at football.

They've been good at some point?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Internet Apex on October 16, 2011, 11:57:11 AM
Quote from: BBM on October 15, 2011, 07:42:51 PM
Quote from: Shooter on October 15, 2011, 06:33:28 PM
Indiana is bad at football.

They've been good at some point?

In apocrypha.

Purdue sucks too.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: R-V on October 17, 2011, 09:16:29 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 15, 2011, 05:28:25 PM
Bumped for BC's furious 4th down rage?

Well the dream of an undefeated season has died. Zook's dumbass moves (you know you've got a dumb coach when Bob Davie is astutely pointing out the miscues as they happen) didn't lose the game for them, but that doesn't make them any less dumb. Bad game for Steelhorse.

3-2 the rest of the way (9-3 total) should get them a New Year's Day bowl in Florida, right? Which means they'll go 1-4 and go to the Buttslop Bowl in Northwest Indiana.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Armchair_QB on October 17, 2011, 11:17:33 AM
Quote from: R-V on October 17, 2011, 09:16:29 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 15, 2011, 05:28:25 PM
Bumped for BC's furious 4th down rage?

Well the dream of an undefeated season has died. Zook's dumbass moves (you know you've got a dumb coach when Bob Davie is astutely pointing out the miscues as they happen) didn't lose the game for them, but that doesn't make them any less dumb. Bad game for Steelhorse.

3-2 the rest of the way (9-3 total) should get them a New Year's Day bowl in Florida, right? Which means they'll go 1-4 and go to the Buttslop Bowl in Northwest Indiana.


Hey, Elkhart's kinda nice in late December. I hear the Buttslop Bowl added a cow-tipping contest to their bowl week activities too.

Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BBM on October 17, 2011, 11:21:13 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 17, 2011, 11:17:33 AM
Quote from: R-V on October 17, 2011, 09:16:29 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 15, 2011, 05:28:25 PM
Bumped for BC's furious 4th down rage?

Well the dream of an undefeated season has died. Zook's dumbass moves (you know you've got a dumb coach when Bob Davie is astutely pointing out the miscues as they happen) didn't lose the game for them, but that doesn't make them any less dumb. Bad game for Steelhorse.

3-2 the rest of the way (9-3 total) should get them a New Year's Day bowl in Florida, right? Which means they'll go 1-4 and go to the Buttslop Bowl in Northwest Indiana.


Hey, Elkhart's kinda nice in late December. I hear the Buttslop Bowl added a cow-tipping contest to their bowl week activities too.



Yeah that Texas Roadhouse has them some fine vittles.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Internet Apex on October 22, 2011, 02:15:19 PM
Purdue 21, Illinois 14. What a fucking pillow fight.

You guys still happy with Zook? I'm pretty pumped about him.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: SKO on October 22, 2011, 02:21:33 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 22, 2011, 02:15:19 PM
Purdue 21, Illinois 14. What a fucking pillow fight.

You guys still happy with Zook? I'm pretty pumped about him.
His handling of Scheelhaase/Reilly O'Toole harkened back to the nightmarish days of "Let's just dick around with Juice Williams and Eddie McGee until I've managed to ensure that they both suck." Really disappointed, but this was a classic Zook game. Alamo Bowl it is, boys.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Internet Apex on October 22, 2011, 03:24:39 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 22, 2011, 02:21:33 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 22, 2011, 02:15:19 PM
Purdue 21, Illinois 14. What a fucking pillow fight.

You guys still happy with Zook? I'm pretty pumped about him.
His handling of Scheelhaase/Reilly O'Toole harkened back to the nightmarish days of "Let's just dick around with Juice Williams and Eddie McGee until I've managed to ensure that they both suck." Really disappointed, but this was a classic Zook game. Alamo Bowl it is, boys.

What word from BC? I'm getting worried about that guy.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on October 22, 2011, 07:23:56 PM
"You mentioned Ebert.  Persa-Ebert-Dunsmore is like Northwestern's version of Tinkers to Evans to Chance."  -- Tom Hart, BTN

Indeed.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BBM on October 22, 2011, 11:12:51 PM
Dayne Crist sure looks like a guy who has a future with the Bears.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Shooter on October 23, 2011, 12:51:16 AM
Fuck Michigan State. No lube.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: flannj on October 23, 2011, 12:52:16 AM
Quote from: Shooter on October 23, 2011, 12:51:16 AM
Fuck Michigan State. No lube.

I could get behind that.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Internet Apex on October 23, 2011, 11:07:25 PM
Quote from: flannj on October 23, 2011, 12:52:16 AM
Quote from: Shooter on October 23, 2011, 12:51:16 AM
Fuck Michigan State. No lube.

I could get behind that.

(||).
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on November 05, 2011, 06:02:59 PM
Can they bottle that somehow and use it every game?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: thehawk on November 05, 2011, 07:31:44 PM
So Nebraska got a proper welcome to the Big Ten.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BC on November 06, 2011, 08:18:10 PM
I'm still alive, just have been busy.

Illini Football: Nothing but Mediocrity!!!
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on November 06, 2011, 09:19:09 PM
Quote from: BC on November 06, 2011, 08:18:10 PM
I'm still alive, just have been busy.

Illini Football: Nothing but Mediocrity!!!

Bye week.  Timely!
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Internet Apex on November 07, 2011, 08:44:31 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 06, 2011, 09:19:09 PM
Quote from: BC on November 06, 2011, 08:18:10 PM
I'm still alive, just have been busy.

Illini Football: Nothing but Mediocrity!!!

Bye week.  Timely!

When's your bye week?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on November 08, 2011, 12:09:17 PM
JoePa might not make it to the Nittany Lions Bowl game. He might not make it to the Big Ten Championship game. Hell, he might not be coach Saturday when Nebraska pays its first visit to Happy Valley.

NY Times says he's out. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-said-to-be-planning-paternos-exit.html?_r=1&src=tp)

This is only beginning. I have a sinking feeling that there will be more dirty laundry on Paterno that has never come out. I liked him. I liked Penn State. Of course, I once liked college football.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on November 08, 2011, 01:16:46 PM
Quote from: Brownie on November 08, 2011, 12:09:17 PM
JoePa might not make it to the Nittany Lions Bowl game. He might not make it to the Big Ten Championship game. Hell, he might not be coach Saturday when Nebraska pays its first visit to Happy Valley.

NY Times says he's out. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-said-to-be-planning-paternos-exit.html?_r=1&src=tp)

This is only beginning. I have a sinking feeling that there will be more dirty laundry on Paterno that has never come out. I liked him. I liked Penn State. Of course, I once liked college football.

Pretty well said. I hope Paterno doesn't have any other demons. Failing to see this through at the beginning is bad enough. I feel like this is turning into a Steig Larsson story.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on November 08, 2011, 01:36:35 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 08, 2011, 01:16:46 PM
Quote from: Brownie on November 08, 2011, 12:09:17 PM
JoePa might not make it to the Nittany Lions Bowl game. He might not make it to the Big Ten Championship game. Hell, he might not be coach Saturday when Nebraska pays its first visit to Happy Valley.

NY Times says he's out. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-said-to-be-planning-paternos-exit.html?_r=1&src=tp)

This is only beginning. I have a sinking feeling that there will be more dirty laundry on Paterno that has never come out. I liked him. I liked Penn State. Of course, I once liked college football.

Pretty well said. I hope Paterno doesn't have any other demons. Failing to see this through at the beginning is bad enough. I feel like this is turning into a Steig Larsson story.

What more dirty laundry does he need?  I always liked Paterno, but this is his legacy now.  Unless he wants to tout the fact that in his 45 years a coach, he only had a monster on his staff for 30 of them.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on November 08, 2011, 01:41:22 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 08, 2011, 01:36:35 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 08, 2011, 01:16:46 PM
Quote from: Brownie on November 08, 2011, 12:09:17 PM
JoePa might not make it to the Nittany Lions Bowl game. He might not make it to the Big Ten Championship game. Hell, he might not be coach Saturday when Nebraska pays its first visit to Happy Valley.

NY Times says he's out. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-said-to-be-planning-paternos-exit.html?_r=1&src=tp)

This is only beginning. I have a sinking feeling that there will be more dirty laundry on Paterno that has never come out. I liked him. I liked Penn State. Of course, I once liked college football.

Pretty well said. I hope Paterno doesn't have any other demons. Failing to see this through at the beginning is bad enough. I feel like this is turning into a Steig Larsson story.

What more dirty laundry does he need?  I always liked Paterno, but this is his legacy now.  Unless he wants to tout the fact that in his 45 years a coach, he only had a monster on his staff for 30 of them.

I have a sinking suspicion it's more than "JoePa just didn't know about it because he was busy doing things the right way."
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on November 08, 2011, 01:47:22 PM
Quote from: Brownie on November 08, 2011, 01:41:22 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 08, 2011, 01:36:35 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 08, 2011, 01:16:46 PM
Quote from: Brownie on November 08, 2011, 12:09:17 PM
JoePa might not make it to the Nittany Lions Bowl game. He might not make it to the Big Ten Championship game. Hell, he might not be coach Saturday when Nebraska pays its first visit to Happy Valley.

NY Times says he's out. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-said-to-be-planning-paternos-exit.html?_r=1&src=tp)

This is only beginning. I have a sinking feeling that there will be more dirty laundry on Paterno that has never come out. I liked him. I liked Penn State. Of course, I once liked college football.

Pretty well said. I hope Paterno doesn't have any other demons. Failing to see this through at the beginning is bad enough. I feel like this is turning into a Steig Larsson story.

What more dirty laundry does he need?  I always liked Paterno, but this is his legacy now.  Unless he wants to tout the fact that in his 45 years a coach, he only had a monster on his staff for 30 of them.

I have a sinking suspicion it's more than "JoePa just didn't know about it because he was busy doing things the right way."

I'm just trying to figure out what sort of demons could come out that are worse than this.  I give a shit if schools pay their players or trade jerseys for tattoos.  This is...I don't even know what to say about it.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on November 08, 2011, 04:19:15 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 08, 2011, 01:47:22 PM
Quote from: Brownie on November 08, 2011, 01:41:22 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 08, 2011, 01:36:35 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 08, 2011, 01:16:46 PM
Quote from: Brownie on November 08, 2011, 12:09:17 PM
JoePa might not make it to the Nittany Lions Bowl game. He might not make it to the Big Ten Championship game. Hell, he might not be coach Saturday when Nebraska pays its first visit to Happy Valley.

NY Times says he's out. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-said-to-be-planning-paternos-exit.html?_r=1&src=tp)

This is only beginning. I have a sinking feeling that there will be more dirty laundry on Paterno that has never come out. I liked him. I liked Penn State. Of course, I once liked college football.

Pretty well said. I hope Paterno doesn't have any other demons. Failing to see this through at the beginning is bad enough. I feel like this is turning into a Steig Larsson story.

What more dirty laundry does he need?  I always liked Paterno, but this is his legacy now.  Unless he wants to tout the fact that in his 45 years a coach, he only had a monster on his staff for 30 of them.

I have a sinking suspicion it's more than "JoePa just didn't know about it because he was busy doing things the right way."

I'm just trying to figure out what sort of demons could come out that are worse than this.  I give a shit if schools pay their players or trade jerseys for tattoos.  This is...I don't even know what to say about it.

No, there's nothing worse than this. I had heard some people wonder what else Penn State is hiding but it doesn't matter anymore. Like you said, tattoos for cash or cars or whatever pale in comparison to this. I mean, I guess if Paterno was somehow also doing kids, that'd be worse. But I'm not sure that's physically possible.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 08, 2011, 04:26:53 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 08, 2011, 04:19:15 PM
I mean, I guess if Paterno was somehow also doing kids, that'd be worse. But I'm not sure that's physically possible.

That would just mean they'd have been hiding it that much longer.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on November 08, 2011, 04:32:45 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 08, 2011, 04:26:53 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 08, 2011, 04:19:15 PM
I mean, I guess if Paterno was somehow also doing kids, that'd be worse. But I'm not sure that's physically possible.

That would just mean they'd have been hiding it that much longer.

He retired from doing kids in the late 80s man.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Canadouche on November 08, 2011, 04:53:15 PM
According to Wikipedia, Sandusky wrote an autobiography in '01 that was titled "Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story." 
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on November 08, 2011, 05:02:35 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 08, 2011, 04:19:15 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 08, 2011, 01:47:22 PM
Quote from: Brownie on November 08, 2011, 01:41:22 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 08, 2011, 01:36:35 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 08, 2011, 01:16:46 PM
Quote from: Brownie on November 08, 2011, 12:09:17 PM
JoePa might not make it to the Nittany Lions Bowl game. He might not make it to the Big Ten Championship game. Hell, he might not be coach Saturday when Nebraska pays its first visit to Happy Valley.

NY Times says he's out. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-said-to-be-planning-paternos-exit.html?_r=1&src=tp)

This is only beginning. I have a sinking feeling that there will be more dirty laundry on Paterno that has never come out. I liked him. I liked Penn State. Of course, I once liked college football.

Pretty well said. I hope Paterno doesn't have any other demons. Failing to see this through at the beginning is bad enough. I feel like this is turning into a Steig Larsson story.

What more dirty laundry does he need?  I always liked Paterno, but this is his legacy now.  Unless he wants to tout the fact that in his 45 years a coach, he only had a monster on his staff for 30 of them.

I have a sinking suspicion it's more than "JoePa just didn't know about it because he was busy doing things the right way."

I'm just trying to figure out what sort of demons could come out that are worse than this.  I give a shit if schools pay their players or trade jerseys for tattoos.  This is...I don't even know what to say about it.

No, there's nothing worse than this. I had heard some people wonder what else Penn State is hiding but it doesn't matter anymore. Like you said, tattoos for cash or cars or whatever pale in comparison to this. I mean, I guess if Paterno was somehow also doing kids, that'd be worse. But I'm not sure that's physically possible.

This is worse than anyone could ever imagine about the dirtiest college program. I guess I'm a little horrified about what is out there we don't yet know but will find out about.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BC on November 08, 2011, 08:30:26 PM
I thought the Dave Bliss "Make up stuff about a player who was MURDERED by another player so I won't get in trouble" situation would be the worst college athletic scandal of my lifetime.

Um, I was wrong.

If Penn State's leadership is simply unwilling to force Paterno out, I think Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany should suspend him indefinitely. I honestly can't believe that the conference would allow this to fester until Saturday's game.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: smg on November 08, 2011, 10:55:31 PM
I made the horrible mistake of reading about this tonight, and I feel physically ill.  We'll never rid the world of deviants, but the idea that these people could sit around and bloodlessly figure out the very least they could do is inconceivable.  A grown man WITNESSED the anal rape of a ten year old, knows the child saw him, and instead of screaming, calling 911, doing ANYTHING, he goes home and asks his dad what to do?  And then the next day, they call the coach?  And he calls his boss?  It is literally difficult to believe.  More people need to be arrested.  I know nothing about college football or how great this coach is, but I don't care what he accomplished or how old he is, he needs to pay.  There is no way to make that right.

That witness ended up with a full-time coaching job, too. Coincidence, I'm sure.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on November 09, 2011, 08:25:34 AM
I haven't heard too many good jokes come out of this yet.  Por que? Ped State's all I've heard.  Something something about Paterno applying at Stanford because his ability to stick his head in the sand and protect pedos would make him a great Cardinal something something...anything?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BH on November 09, 2011, 08:27:03 AM
Today's reports are that the president will be kicked to teh curb, but paterno will keep his job. Thank God they are protecting a man with such integrity.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on November 09, 2011, 08:28:49 AM
Quote from: BC on November 08, 2011, 08:30:26 PM
I thought the Dave Bliss "Make up stuff about a player who was MURDERED by another player so I won't get in trouble" situation would be the worst college athletic scandal of my lifetime.

Um, I was wrong.

If Penn State's leadership is simply unwilling to force Paterno out, I think Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany should suspend him indefinitely. I honestly can't believe that the conference would allow this to fester until Saturday's game.

This goes beyond the Big 10.  I don't think Jim Delaney has the authority to address this beast.  This monster had been on his staff from back in the days when PSU was an Independent.  The old fuck just needs to realize there is absolutely no face to save--especially if he continues as Head Coach-- and step the fuck down.  It's the least he can do for allowing this shit to persist.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on November 09, 2011, 08:30:03 AM
Quote from: BH on November 09, 2011, 08:27:03 AM
Today's reports are that the president will be kicked to teh curb, but paterno will keep his job. Thank God they are protecting a man with such integrity.

I say the heat wil get too intense and Mr. MaGoo'll step down no later than tomorrow. 
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Quality Start Machine on November 09, 2011, 08:31:07 AM
Quote from: BH on November 09, 2011, 08:27:03 AM
Today's reports are that the president will be kicked to teh curb, but paterno will keep his job. Thank God they are protecting a man with such integrity.

I'm pretty sure he's met the minimum required number of bowl wins to excuse pedophilia.

"We love Michael Jackson so much we let the first kid slide." - Chris Rock
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 09, 2011, 08:31:45 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 09, 2011, 08:25:34 AM
I haven't heard too many good jokes come out of this yet.  Por que? Ped State's all I've heard.

Fork and Chuck have been too busy working variations of "'9-9-9 sounds like 'nein, nein, nein'" jokes about Herman Cain.

Quote from: PANK! on November 09, 2011, 08:25:34 AMSomething something about Paterno applying at Stanford because his ability to stick his head in the sand and protect pedos would make him a great Cardinal something something...anything?

No, Huey.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on November 09, 2011, 08:34:47 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 09, 2011, 08:31:45 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 09, 2011, 08:25:34 AM
I haven't heard too many good jokes come out of this yet.  Por que? Ped State's all I've heard.

Fork and Chuck have been too busy working variations of "'9-9-9 sounds like 'nein, nein, nein'" jokes about Herman Cain.

Quote from: PANK! on November 09, 2011, 08:25:34 AMSomething something about Paterno applying at Stanford because his ability to stick his head in the sand and protect pedos would make him a great Cardinal something something...anything?

No, Huey.

In JoPa's defense, Jerry Sandusky was hired to work with the tight ends?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 09, 2011, 08:35:24 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 09, 2011, 08:34:47 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 09, 2011, 08:31:45 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 09, 2011, 08:25:34 AM
I haven't heard too many good jokes come out of this yet.  Por que? Ped State's all I've heard.

Fork and Chuck have been too busy working variations of "'9-9-9 sounds like 'nein, nein, nein'" jokes about Herman Cain.

Quote from: PANK! on November 09, 2011, 08:25:34 AMSomething something about Paterno applying at Stanford because his ability to stick his head in the sand and protect pedos would make him a great Cardinal something something...anything?

No, Huey.

In JoPa's defense, Jerry Sandusky was hired to work with the tight ends?

Much better.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 08:36:07 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 09, 2011, 08:28:49 AM
Quote from: BC on November 08, 2011, 08:30:26 PM
I thought the Dave Bliss "Make up stuff about a player who was MURDERED by another player so I won't get in trouble" situation would be the worst college athletic scandal of my lifetime.

Um, I was wrong.

If Penn State's leadership is simply unwilling to force Paterno out, I think Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany should suspend him indefinitely. I honestly can't believe that the conference would allow this to fester until Saturday's game.

This goes beyond the Big 10.  I don't think Jim Delaney has the authority to address this beast.  This monster had been on his staff from back in the days when PSU was an Independent.  The old fuck just needs to realize there is absolutely no face to save--especially if he continues as Head Coach-- and step the fuck down.  It's the least he can do for allowing this shit to persist.

if you saw any of the footage of the "protests" or whatever the hell the drunken college kids did at Paterno's house last night, it certainly looked like Paterno is ready to dig in. He feeds off that undying, loyalist fervor that the campus has whenever anyone so much as hints that he might need to step down for what he didn't do. The smile on his face as he lead the crowd in football cheers was pretty sickening, to be honest.

THIS ISN'T A FUCKING FOOTBALL GAME. Kids were raped by a sex criminal that was allowed to hang out WITH KIDS on campus for YEARS after this shit was known by Joe Paterno and probably every single other person that had any ties to the football program. If a coach is seen fucking a kid, rumors are going to spread quickly. The real surprise is that this is coming out now and not a long time ago.

It's clear Joe Paterno has no interest in the kids that were hurt by the man he allowed to be around the program for many years after it was revealed that he's a sick fuck. He only cares about extending his legacy as the oldest, football coach in the history of Earth. He wants to focus on Nebraska and wins and losses and practice their chants. Hey everyone, wear white to the game this weekend! It's a big one!

Penn State should be evacuated and then nuked from space. Start over. Goodbye.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Quality Start Machine on November 09, 2011, 08:41:51 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 09, 2011, 08:31:45 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 09, 2011, 08:25:34 AM
I haven't heard too many good jokes come out of this yet.  Por que? Ped State's all I've heard.

Fork and Chuck have been too busy working variations of "'9-9-9 sounds like 'nein, nein, nein'" jokes about Herman Cain.


Cain probably owes Paterno a steak dinner for taking over Page 1.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: R-V on November 09, 2011, 08:42:54 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 08:36:07 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 09, 2011, 08:28:49 AM
Quote from: BC on November 08, 2011, 08:30:26 PM
I thought the Dave Bliss "Make up stuff about a player who was MURDERED by another player so I won't get in trouble" situation would be the worst college athletic scandal of my lifetime.

Um, I was wrong.

If Penn State's leadership is simply unwilling to force Paterno out, I think Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany should suspend him indefinitely. I honestly can't believe that the conference would allow this to fester until Saturday's game.

This goes beyond the Big 10.  I don't think Jim Delaney has the authority to address this beast.  This monster had been on his staff from back in the days when PSU was an Independent.  The old fuck just needs to realize there is absolutely no face to save--especially if he continues as Head Coach-- and step the fuck down.  It's the least he can do for allowing this shit to persist.

if you saw any of the footage of the "protests" or whatever the hell the drunken college kids did at Paterno's house last night, it certainly looked like Paterno is ready to dig in. He feeds off that undying, loyalist fervor that the campus has whenever anyone so much as hints that he might need to step down for what he didn't do. The smile on his face as he lead the crowd in football cheers was pretty sickening, to be honest.

THIS ISN'T A FUCKING FOOTBALL GAME. Kids were raped by a sex criminal that was allowed to hang out WITH KIDS on campus for YEARS after this shit was known by Joe Paterno and probably every single other person that had any ties to the football program. If a coach is seen fucking a kid, rumors are going to spread quickly. The real surprise is that this is coming out now and not a long time ago.

It's clear Joe Paterno has no interest in the kids that were hurt by the man he allowed to be around the program for many years after it was revealed that he's a sick fuck. He only cares about extending his legacy as the oldest, football coach in the history of Earth. He wants to focus on Nebraska and wins and losses and practice their chants. Hey everyone, wear white to the game this weekend! It's a big one!

Penn State should be evacuated and then nuked from space. Start over. Goodbye.

How could you say that? JoePa totally feels bad for them. (http://deadspin.com/5857689/a-weeping-joe-paterno-just-spoke-to-students-gathered-outside-his-living-room-window?tag=pennstatescandal)

Quote"It's hard for me to tell you how much this means to me. I've lived for this place, and I've lived for people like you guys and girls, and I'm just so happy to see that you could feel so strongly about us and about your school. The kids that were victims or whatever they want to say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them. Tough life, when people do certain things to you. Anyway, you've been great. Everything's great, all right."
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 08:44:43 AM
Quote from: R-V on November 09, 2011, 08:42:54 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 08:36:07 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 09, 2011, 08:28:49 AM
Quote from: BC on November 08, 2011, 08:30:26 PM
I thought the Dave Bliss "Make up stuff about a player who was MURDERED by another player so I won't get in trouble" situation would be the worst college athletic scandal of my lifetime.

Um, I was wrong.

If Penn State's leadership is simply unwilling to force Paterno out, I think Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany should suspend him indefinitely. I honestly can't believe that the conference would allow this to fester until Saturday's game.

This goes beyond the Big 10.  I don't think Jim Delaney has the authority to address this beast.  This monster had been on his staff from back in the days when PSU was an Independent.  The old fuck just needs to realize there is absolutely no face to save--especially if he continues as Head Coach-- and step the fuck down.  It's the least he can do for allowing this shit to persist.

if you saw any of the footage of the "protests" or whatever the hell the drunken college kids did at Paterno's house last night, it certainly looked like Paterno is ready to dig in. He feeds off that undying, loyalist fervor that the campus has whenever anyone so much as hints that he might need to step down for what he didn't do. The smile on his face as he lead the crowd in football cheers was pretty sickening, to be honest.

THIS ISN'T A FUCKING FOOTBALL GAME. Kids were raped by a sex criminal that was allowed to hang out WITH KIDS on campus for YEARS after this shit was known by Joe Paterno and probably every single other person that had any ties to the football program. If a coach is seen fucking a kid, rumors are going to spread quickly. The real surprise is that this is coming out now and not a long time ago.

It's clear Joe Paterno has no interest in the kids that were hurt by the man he allowed to be around the program for many years after it was revealed that he's a sick fuck. He only cares about extending his legacy as the oldest, football coach in the history of Earth. He wants to focus on Nebraska and wins and losses and practice their chants. Hey everyone, wear white to the game this weekend! It's a big one!

Penn State should be evacuated and then nuked from space. Start over. Goodbye.

How could you say that? JoePa totally feels bad for them. (http://deadspin.com/5857689/a-weeping-joe-paterno-just-spoke-to-students-gathered-outside-his-living-room-window?tag=pennstatescandal)

Quote"It's hard for me to tell you how much this means to me. I've lived for this place, and I've lived for people like you guys and girls, and I'm just so happy to see that you could feel so strongly about us and about your school. The kids that were victims or whatever they want to say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them. Tough life, when people do certain things to you. Anyway, you've been great. Everything's great, all right."

That's even worse. What a delusional piece of shit. Maybe he'll drop dead before the board of limpdicked trustees has a chance to fire him.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BH on November 09, 2011, 08:48:29 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 08:44:43 AM
Quote from: R-V on November 09, 2011, 08:42:54 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 08:36:07 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 09, 2011, 08:28:49 AM
Quote from: BC on November 08, 2011, 08:30:26 PM
I thought the Dave Bliss "Make up stuff about a player who was MURDERED by another player so I won't get in trouble" situation would be the worst college athletic scandal of my lifetime.

Um, I was wrong.

If Penn State's leadership is simply unwilling to force Paterno out, I think Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany should suspend him indefinitely. I honestly can't believe that the conference would allow this to fester until Saturday's game.

This goes beyond the Big 10.  I don't think Jim Delaney has the authority to address this beast.  This monster had been on his staff from back in the days when PSU was an Independent.  The old fuck just needs to realize there is absolutely no face to save--especially if he continues as Head Coach-- and step the fuck down.  It's the least he can do for allowing this shit to persist.

if you saw any of the footage of the "protests" or whatever the hell the drunken college kids did at Paterno's house last night, it certainly looked like Paterno is ready to dig in. He feeds off that undying, loyalist fervor that the campus has whenever anyone so much as hints that he might need to step down for what he didn't do. The smile on his face as he lead the crowd in football cheers was pretty sickening, to be honest.

THIS ISN'T A FUCKING FOOTBALL GAME. Kids were raped by a sex criminal that was allowed to hang out WITH KIDS on campus for YEARS after this shit was known by Joe Paterno and probably every single other person that had any ties to the football program. If a coach is seen fucking a kid, rumors are going to spread quickly. The real surprise is that this is coming out now and not a long time ago.

It's clear Joe Paterno has no interest in the kids that were hurt by the man he allowed to be around the program for many years after it was revealed that he's a sick fuck. He only cares about extending his legacy as the oldest, football coach in the history of Earth. He wants to focus on Nebraska and wins and losses and practice their chants. Hey everyone, wear white to the game this weekend! It's a big one!

Penn State should be evacuated and then nuked from space. Start over. Goodbye.

How could you say that? JoePa totally feels bad for them. (http://deadspin.com/5857689/a-weeping-joe-paterno-just-spoke-to-students-gathered-outside-his-living-room-window?tag=pennstatescandal)

Quote"It's hard for me to tell you how much this means to me. I've lived for this place, and I've lived for people like you guys and girls, and I'm just so happy to see that you could feel so strongly about us and about your school. The kids that were victims or whatever they want to say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them. Tough life, when people do certain things to you. Anyway, you've been great. Everything's great, all right."

That's even worse. What a delusional piece of shit. Maybe he'll drop dead before the board of limpdicked trustees has a chance to fire him.

Tough life? I can't believe he actually said that. Weren't most of the kids part of the charity that helps kids who already had messed up lives?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 08:51:16 AM
Quote from: BH on November 09, 2011, 08:48:29 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 08:44:43 AM
Quote from: R-V on November 09, 2011, 08:42:54 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 08:36:07 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 09, 2011, 08:28:49 AM
Quote from: BC on November 08, 2011, 08:30:26 PM
I thought the Dave Bliss "Make up stuff about a player who was MURDERED by another player so I won't get in trouble" situation would be the worst college athletic scandal of my lifetime.

Um, I was wrong.

If Penn State's leadership is simply unwilling to force Paterno out, I think Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany should suspend him indefinitely. I honestly can't believe that the conference would allow this to fester until Saturday's game.

This goes beyond the Big 10.  I don't think Jim Delaney has the authority to address this beast.  This monster had been on his staff from back in the days when PSU was an Independent.  The old fuck just needs to realize there is absolutely no face to save--especially if he continues as Head Coach-- and step the fuck down.  It's the least he can do for allowing this shit to persist.

if you saw any of the footage of the "protests" or whatever the hell the drunken college kids did at Paterno's house last night, it certainly looked like Paterno is ready to dig in. He feeds off that undying, loyalist fervor that the campus has whenever anyone so much as hints that he might need to step down for what he didn't do. The smile on his face as he lead the crowd in football cheers was pretty sickening, to be honest.

THIS ISN'T A FUCKING FOOTBALL GAME. Kids were raped by a sex criminal that was allowed to hang out WITH KIDS on campus for YEARS after this shit was known by Joe Paterno and probably every single other person that had any ties to the football program. If a coach is seen fucking a kid, rumors are going to spread quickly. The real surprise is that this is coming out now and not a long time ago.

It's clear Joe Paterno has no interest in the kids that were hurt by the man he allowed to be around the program for many years after it was revealed that he's a sick fuck. He only cares about extending his legacy as the oldest, football coach in the history of Earth. He wants to focus on Nebraska and wins and losses and practice their chants. Hey everyone, wear white to the game this weekend! It's a big one!

Penn State should be evacuated and then nuked from space. Start over. Goodbye.

How could you say that? JoePa totally feels bad for them. (http://deadspin.com/5857689/a-weeping-joe-paterno-just-spoke-to-students-gathered-outside-his-living-room-window?tag=pennstatescandal)

Quote"It's hard for me to tell you how much this means to me. I've lived for this place, and I've lived for people like you guys and girls, and I'm just so happy to see that you could feel so strongly about us and about your school. The kids that were victims or whatever they want to say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them. Tough life, when people do certain things to you. Anyway, you've been great. Everything's great, all right."

That's even worse. What a delusional piece of shit. Maybe he'll drop dead before the board of limpdicked trustees has a chance to fire him.

Tough life? I can't believe he actually said that. Weren't most of the kids part of the charity that helps kids who already had messed up lives?

Tough life, when a guy I hired rapes a bunch of vulnerable, broken-home kids in my locker room showers. Real tough break there. Rub some dirt on it and get back out there. You can't have your head down. Gotta power through.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Tonker on November 09, 2011, 08:52:55 AM
Quote from: BH on November 09, 2011, 08:48:29 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 08:44:43 AM
Quote from: R-V on November 09, 2011, 08:42:54 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 08:36:07 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 09, 2011, 08:28:49 AM
Quote from: BC on November 08, 2011, 08:30:26 PM
I thought the Dave Bliss "Make up stuff about a player who was MURDERED by another player so I won't get in trouble" situation would be the worst college athletic scandal of my lifetime.

Um, I was wrong.

If Penn State's leadership is simply unwilling to force Paterno out, I think Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany should suspend him indefinitely. I honestly can't believe that the conference would allow this to fester until Saturday's game.

This goes beyond the Big 10.  I don't think Jim Delaney has the authority to address this beast.  This monster had been on his staff from back in the days when PSU was an Independent.  The old fuck just needs to realize there is absolutely no face to save--especially if he continues as Head Coach-- and step the fuck down.  It's the least he can do for allowing this shit to persist.

if you saw any of the footage of the "protests" or whatever the hell the drunken college kids did at Paterno's house last night, it certainly looked like Paterno is ready to dig in. He feeds off that undying, loyalist fervor that the campus has whenever anyone so much as hints that he might need to step down for what he didn't do. The smile on his face as he lead the crowd in football cheers was pretty sickening, to be honest.

THIS ISN'T A FUCKING FOOTBALL GAME. Kids were raped by a sex criminal that was allowed to hang out WITH KIDS on campus for YEARS after this shit was known by Joe Paterno and probably every single other person that had any ties to the football program. If a coach is seen fucking a kid, rumors are going to spread quickly. The real surprise is that this is coming out now and not a long time ago.

It's clear Joe Paterno has no interest in the kids that were hurt by the man he allowed to be around the program for many years after it was revealed that he's a sick fuck. He only cares about extending his legacy as the oldest, football coach in the history of Earth. He wants to focus on Nebraska and wins and losses and practice their chants. Hey everyone, wear white to the game this weekend! It's a big one!

Penn State should be evacuated and then nuked from space. Start over. Goodbye.

How could you say that? JoePa totally feels bad for them. (http://deadspin.com/5857689/a-weeping-joe-paterno-just-spoke-to-students-gathered-outside-his-living-room-window?tag=pennstatescandal)

Quote"It's hard for me to tell you how much this means to me. I've lived for this place, and I've lived for people like you guys and girls, and I'm just so happy to see that you could feel so strongly about us and about your school. The kids that were victims or whatever they want to say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them. Tough life, when people do certain things to you. Anyway, you've been great. Everything's great, all right."

That's even worse. What a delusional piece of shit. Maybe he'll drop dead before the board of limpdicked trustees has a chance to fire him.

Tough life? I can't believe he actually said that. Weren't most of the kids part of the charity that helps kids who already had messed up lives?

How is "Everything's great, all right." not far and away the worst part of that quote?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BH on November 09, 2011, 08:54:52 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 08:51:16 AM
Quote from: BH on November 09, 2011, 08:48:29 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 08:44:43 AM
Quote from: R-V on November 09, 2011, 08:42:54 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 08:36:07 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 09, 2011, 08:28:49 AM
Quote from: BC on November 08, 2011, 08:30:26 PM
I thought the Dave Bliss "Make up stuff about a player who was MURDERED by another player so I won't get in trouble" situation would be the worst college athletic scandal of my lifetime.

Um, I was wrong.

If Penn State's leadership is simply unwilling to force Paterno out, I think Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany should suspend him indefinitely. I honestly can't believe that the conference would allow this to fester until Saturday's game.

This goes beyond the Big 10.  I don't think Jim Delaney has the authority to address this beast.  This monster had been on his staff from back in the days when PSU was an Independent.  The old fuck just needs to realize there is absolutely no face to save--especially if he continues as Head Coach-- and step the fuck down.  It's the least he can do for allowing this shit to persist.

if you saw any of the footage of the "protests" or whatever the hell the drunken college kids did at Paterno's house last night, it certainly looked like Paterno is ready to dig in. He feeds off that undying, loyalist fervor that the campus has whenever anyone so much as hints that he might need to step down for what he didn't do. The smile on his face as he lead the crowd in football cheers was pretty sickening, to be honest.

THIS ISN'T A FUCKING FOOTBALL GAME. Kids were raped by a sex criminal that was allowed to hang out WITH KIDS on campus for YEARS after this shit was known by Joe Paterno and probably every single other person that had any ties to the football program. If a coach is seen fucking a kid, rumors are going to spread quickly. The real surprise is that this is coming out now and not a long time ago.

It's clear Joe Paterno has no interest in the kids that were hurt by the man he allowed to be around the program for many years after it was revealed that he's a sick fuck. He only cares about extending his legacy as the oldest, football coach in the history of Earth. He wants to focus on Nebraska and wins and losses and practice their chants. Hey everyone, wear white to the game this weekend! It's a big one!

Penn State should be evacuated and then nuked from space. Start over. Goodbye.

How could you say that? JoePa totally feels bad for them. (http://deadspin.com/5857689/a-weeping-joe-paterno-just-spoke-to-students-gathered-outside-his-living-room-window?tag=pennstatescandal)

Quote"It's hard for me to tell you how much this means to me. I've lived for this place, and I've lived for people like you guys and girls, and I'm just so happy to see that you could feel so strongly about us and about your school. The kids that were victims or whatever they want to say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them. Tough life, when people do certain things to you. Anyway, you've been great. Everything's great, all right."

That's even worse. What a delusional piece of shit. Maybe he'll drop dead before the board of limpdicked trustees has a chance to fire him.

Tough life? I can't believe he actually said that. Weren't most of the kids part of the charity that helps kids who already had messed up lives?

Tough life, when a guy I hired rapes a bunch of vulnerable, broken-home kids in my locker room showers. Real tough break there. Rub some dirt on it and get back out there. You can't have your head down. Gotta power through.

Your work today is outstanding.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on November 09, 2011, 09:12:18 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 08:36:07 AM

Penn State should be evacuated and then nuked from space. Start over. Goodbye.

That's a good point. CT mentioned it earlier about not giving a crap about tattoos for cash or alleged did Deon Thomas get a Chevy Blazer or not or did Kelvin Sampson make 3-way phone calls with recruits. Or SMU sending envelopes of cash to players. Sure, that's cheating.

But what sanctions will the NCAA have for Penn State's football team? Anything short of the death penalty (and then maybe mandating Matt Millen run the program for the next 10 years, Detroit Lions-style) shows how shallow the NCAA is.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 09, 2011, 09:19:15 AM
Quote from: R-V on November 09, 2011, 08:42:54 AM
How could you say that? JoePa totally feels bad for them. (http://deadspin.com/5857689/a-weeping-joe-paterno-just-spoke-to-students-gathered-outside-his-living-room-window?tag=pennstatescandal)

Quote"It's hard for me to tell you how much this means to me. I've lived for this place, and I've lived for people like you guys and girls, and I'm just so happy to see that you could feel so strongly about us and about your school. The kids that were victims or whatever they want to say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them. Tough life, when people do certain things to you. Anyway, you've been great. Everything's great, all right."

"It has become clear now that certain things were at some point done to someone or someones by someone or someones. And, when something something happens to someones' whatzits, we certainly all owe those someones every bit of our whatever. Rest assured that I will do the right thing, which is to say: maybe. Maybe."
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 09:20:08 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 09, 2011, 09:12:18 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 08:36:07 AM

Penn State should be evacuated and then nuked from space. Start over. Goodbye.

That's a good point. CT mentioned it earlier about not giving a crap about tattoos for cash or alleged did Deon Thomas get a Chevy Blazer or not or did Kelvin Sampson make 3-way phone calls with recruits. Or SMU sending envelopes of cash to players. Sure, that's cheating.

But what sanctions will the NCAA have for Penn State's football team? Anything short of the death penalty (and then maybe mandating Matt Millen run the program for the next 10 years, Detroit Lions-style) shows how shallow the NCAA is.

All of those schools you mentioned had suspensions and firings and everything you could imagine. This? Joe gets to retire at the end of the year. Has the NCAA even issued a statement on this? Why haven't they stepped in? Unlike selling things to get money for tattoos this is an ACTUAL CRIME.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on November 09, 2011, 09:34:31 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 09:20:08 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 09, 2011, 09:12:18 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 08:36:07 AM

Penn State should be evacuated and then nuked from space. Start over. Goodbye.

That's a good point. CT mentioned it earlier about not giving a crap about tattoos for cash or alleged did Deon Thomas get a Chevy Blazer or not or did Kelvin Sampson make 3-way phone calls with recruits. Or SMU sending envelopes of cash to players. Sure, that's cheating.

But what sanctions will the NCAA have for Penn State's football team? Anything short of the death penalty (and then maybe mandating Matt Millen run the program for the next 10 years, Detroit Lions-style) shows how shallow the NCAA is.

All of those schools you mentioned had suspensions and firings and everything you could imagine. This? Joe gets to retire at the end of the year. Has the NCAA even issued a statement on this? Why haven't they stepped in? Unlike selling things to get money for tattoos this is an ACTUAL CRIME.

Here's Mark Emmert, president of the NCAA (http://blog.pennlive.com/bobflounders/2011/11/penn_state_reaction_from_the_n.html):

(http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/943b058046566eb7a375bf5853a7f8f8/110331_president-1.jpg?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=943b058046566eb7a375bf5853a7f8f8)

QuoteFrom NCAA President Mark Emmert: "This is a criminal matter under investigation by law enforcement authorities and I will not comment on details. However, I have read the grand jury report and find the alleged assaults appalling.

"As a parent and an educator, the notion that anyone would use a position of trust to prey on children is despicable. My thoughts and concern go out to the alleged victims and their families."

However, Mark does have moral outrage for his DADGUM RULES!!!!! (http://www.ncaa.org/president)

QuoteLet's make no mistake: Today's violations in collegiate athletics are utterly indefensible. They overshadow all that is good in college sports. They cast doubt over the motivations of all involved and give credibility to the cynical view. Worse, they encourage others to cheat. That is why they cannot be tolerated.



Jim Delany dispatched a spokesman out from the bunker at Dee and Higgins rds to say "No comment."
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 09:57:18 AM
Now some fuckstain on Twitter is trying to debate the semantics of how involved Joe Paterno was. Apparently this guy is a massive Penn St fan or just hates children.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on November 09, 2011, 10:00:03 AM
And this is lovely: (http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=241960422529570)

QuotePenn State athletics is now officially supporting the blue out!
http://www.gopsf.com/gopsf.html#/vault/all/231

In light of the numerous counts of alleged sexual abuse recently charged against former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky, wear blue to the Nebraska game to support the victims of child abuse worldwide. The Blue Ribbon Campaign against child abuse began 22 years ago and is recognized across the country. In addition to being the color of our team's home game jerseys, blue represents the color of bruises that have too often been neglected. Let's make national news for our collective actions to show solidarity with both the victims and our fellow classmates on the field. Even if you can't make the game, feel free to "attend" this event by wearing blue wherever you may be! We do not have to wait until THON to prove that Nittany Lions remain "For The Kids." On November 12, make it a blue-out.

Statistics: It is estimated that 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys will have experienced an episode of sexual abuse while younger than 18 years. The numbers of boys affected may be falsely low because of reporting techniques (Botash, Ann, MD, Pediatric Annual, May, 1997).

UPDATES: A special thank you to the Panhellenic Council, College Republicans, College Democrats, College Independents, LION fm, the Blue & White Society, Paternoville, the Graduate Art Education Student Association, and ARHS for their support! Only together can we stand united with our fellow classmates and teammates.

And if you wear Cornhusker Red, you're opposed to domestic violence and sexual assault? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Phillips)


Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 10:00:45 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 09, 2011, 10:00:03 AM
And this is lovely: (http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=241960422529570)

QuotePenn State athletics is now officially supporting the blue out!
http://www.gopsf.com/gopsf.html#/vault/all/231

In light of the numerous counts of alleged sexual abuse recently charged against former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky, wear blue to the Nebraska game to support the victims of child abuse worldwide. The Blue Ribbon Campaign against child abuse began 22 years ago and is recognized across the country. In addition to being the color of our team's home game jerseys, blue represents the color of bruises that have too often been neglected. Let's make national news for our collective actions to show solidarity with both the victims and our fellow classmates on the field. Even if you can't make the game, feel free to "attend" this event by wearing blue wherever you may be! We do not have to wait until THON to prove that Nittany Lions remain "For The Kids." On November 12, make it a blue-out.

Statistics: It is estimated that 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys will have experienced an episode of sexual abuse while younger than 18 years. The numbers of boys affected may be falsely low because of reporting techniques (Botash, Ann, MD, Pediatric Annual, May, 1997).

UPDATES: A special thank you to the Panhellenic Council, College Republicans, College Democrats, College Independents, LION fm, the Blue & White Society, Paternoville, the Graduate Art Education Student Association, and ARHS for their support! Only together can we stand united with our fellow classmates and teammates.

And if you wear Cornhusker Red, you're opposed to domestic violence and sexual assault? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Phillips)




Don't forget to purchase a program at the gate! Go Lions!
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Waco Kid on November 09, 2011, 10:06:47 AM
So basically at this point Joe Paterno and his legacy are bigger than everything up to and including child molestation in Penn State's world. Slaky is right, evacuate the place and nuke it.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on November 09, 2011, 10:08:32 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on November 09, 2011, 10:06:47 AM
So basically at this point Joe Paterno and his legacy are bigger than everything up to and including child molestation in Penn State's world. Slaky is right, evacuate the place and nuke it.

Well, dude, Nebraska is coming into Happy Valley! If beating the Huskers means another couple kids get sexually abused, well, that's a price that has to be paid.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Quality Start Machine on November 09, 2011, 10:09:39 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on November 09, 2011, 10:06:47 AM
So basically at this point Joe Paterno and his legacy are bigger than everything up to and including child molestation in Penn State's world. Slaky is right, evacuate the place and nuke it.

Based upon the rally at Paterno's house last night, I'm not sure evacuation is a good idea.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Waco Kid on November 09, 2011, 10:15:44 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 09, 2011, 10:08:32 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on November 09, 2011, 10:06:47 AM
So basically at this point Joe Paterno and his legacy are bigger than everything up to and including child molestation in Penn State's world. Slaky is right, evacuate the place and nuke it.

Well, dude, Nebraska is coming into Happy Valley! If beating the Huskers means another couple kids get sexually abused, well, that's a price that has to be paid.

I wonder if it's like the Aztec human sacrifice. You know, keep throwing more kids to the pedophile in hopes of achieving a better result.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 09, 2011, 10:18:32 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on November 09, 2011, 10:06:47 AM
So basically at this point Joe Paterno and his legacy are bigger than everything up to and including child molestation rape in Penn State's world. Slaky is right, evacuate the place and nuke it.

When people do certain things to kids, we shouldn't mince words.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on November 09, 2011, 10:46:16 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 09, 2011, 10:18:32 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on November 09, 2011, 10:06:47 AM
So basically at this point Joe Paterno and his legacy are bigger than everything up to and including child molestation rape in Penn State's world. Slaky is right, evacuate the place and nuke it.

When people do certain things to kids, we shouldn't mince words.

Regular rape is OK for those who are pretty good football players, too (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/10766548/). I mean, who's knocking on your door?

Quote"There's some tough — there's so many people gravitating to these kids. He may not have even known what he was getting into, Nicholson. They knock on the door; somebody may knock on the door; a cute girl knocks on the door. What do you do?"

"Geez. I hope — thank God they don't knock on my door because I'd refer them to a couple of other rooms," Paterno continued. "But that's too bad. You hate to see that. I really do. You like to see a kid end up his football career. He's a heck of a football player, by the way; he's a really good football player. And it's just too bad."

If nothing else, Joe should be applauded for his activism against MOVING VIOLATIONS! (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3058734)

QuotePaterno said he addresses safety issues with students when he sees a concern on campus.

"I must do that 10 times a year, because I think students have a disregard for safety," he said.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 09, 2011, 10:55:41 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 09, 2011, 10:46:16 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 09, 2011, 10:18:32 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on November 09, 2011, 10:06:47 AM
So basically at this point Joe Paterno and his legacy are bigger than everything up to and including child molestation rape in Penn State's world. Slaky is right, evacuate the place and nuke it.

When people do certain things to kids, we shouldn't mince words.

Regular rape is OK for those who are pretty good football players, too (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/10766548/). I mean, who's knocking on your door?

Quote"There's some tough — there's so many people gravitating to these kids. He may not have even known what he was getting into, Nicholson. They knock on the door; somebody may knock on the door; a cute girl knocks on the door. What do you do?"

"Geez. I hope — thank God they don't knock on my door because I'd refer them to a couple of other rooms," Paterno continued. "But that's too bad. You hate to see that. I really do. You like to see a kid end up his football career. He's a heck of a football player, by the way; he's a really good football player. And it's just too bad."

If nothing else, Joe should be applauded for his activism against MOVING VIOLATIONS! (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3058734)

QuotePaterno said he addresses safety issues with students when he sees a concern on campus.

"I must do that 10 times a year, because I think students have a disregard for safety," he said.

A cute 10-year-old knocks on the door. What do you do? What do you do?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on November 09, 2011, 10:56:55 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 09, 2011, 10:55:41 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 09, 2011, 10:46:16 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 09, 2011, 10:18:32 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on November 09, 2011, 10:06:47 AM
So basically at this point Joe Paterno and his legacy are bigger than everything up to and including child molestation rape in Penn State's world. Slaky is right, evacuate the place and nuke it.

When people do certain things to kids, we shouldn't mince words.

Regular rape is OK for those who are pretty good football players, too (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/10766548/). I mean, who's knocking on your door?

Quote"There's some tough — there's so many people gravitating to these kids. He may not have even known what he was getting into, Nicholson. They knock on the door; somebody may knock on the door; a cute girl knocks on the door. What do you do?"

"Geez. I hope — thank God they don't knock on my door because I'd refer them to a couple of other rooms," Paterno continued. "But that's too bad. You hate to see that. I really do. You like to see a kid end up his football career. He's a heck of a football player, by the way; he's a really good football player. And it's just too bad."

If nothing else, Joe should be applauded for his activism against MOVING VIOLATIONS! (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3058734)

QuotePaterno said he addresses safety issues with students when he sees a concern on campus.

"I must do that 10 times a year, because I think students have a disregard for safety," he said.

A cute 10-year-old knocks on the door. What do you do? What do you do?

Did he jaywalk?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Gilgamesh on November 09, 2011, 11:04:55 AM
You people are all missing the biggest part of this story and that is: WHO IS GOING TO REPLACE JOEPA!!?!?!?!?

(oh and that whole thing is a tragedy and everything)

Nuke PSU.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on November 09, 2011, 11:08:24 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 09, 2011, 10:55:41 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 09, 2011, 10:46:16 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 09, 2011, 10:18:32 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on November 09, 2011, 10:06:47 AM
So basically at this point Joe Paterno and his legacy are bigger than everything up to and including child molestation rape in Penn State's world. Slaky is right, evacuate the place and nuke it.

When people do certain things to kids, we shouldn't mince words.

Regular rape is OK for those who are pretty good football players, too (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/10766548/). I mean, who's knocking on your door?

Quote"There's some tough — there's so many people gravitating to these kids. He may not have even known what he was getting into, Nicholson. They knock on the door; somebody may knock on the door; a cute girl knocks on the door. What do you do?"

"Geez. I hope — thank God they don't knock on my door because I'd refer them to a couple of other rooms," Paterno continued. "But that's too bad. You hate to see that. I really do. You like to see a kid end up his football career. He's a heck of a football player, by the way; he's a really good football player. And it's just too bad."

If nothing else, Joe should be applauded for his activism against MOVING VIOLATIONS! (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3058734)

QuotePaterno said he addresses safety issues with students when he sees a concern on campus.

"I must do that 10 times a year, because I think students have a disregard for safety," he said.

A cute 10-year-old knocks on the door. What do you do? What do you do?

He already said, "refer them to a couple of other rooms," meaning, I assume, wherever the SanduskyMonster is staying.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on November 09, 2011, 11:09:24 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 09, 2011, 11:08:24 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 09, 2011, 10:55:41 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 09, 2011, 10:46:16 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 09, 2011, 10:18:32 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on November 09, 2011, 10:06:47 AM
So basically at this point Joe Paterno and his legacy are bigger than everything up to and including child molestation rape in Penn State's world. Slaky is right, evacuate the place and nuke it.

When people do certain things to kids, we shouldn't mince words.

Regular rape is OK for those who are pretty good football players, too (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/10766548/). I mean, who's knocking on your door?

Quote"There's some tough — there's so many people gravitating to these kids. He may not have even known what he was getting into, Nicholson. They knock on the door; somebody may knock on the door; a cute girl knocks on the door. What do you do?"

"Geez. I hope — thank God they don't knock on my door because I'd refer them to a couple of other rooms," Paterno continued. "But that's too bad. You hate to see that. I really do. You like to see a kid end up his football career. He's a heck of a football player, by the way; he's a really good football player. And it's just too bad."

If nothing else, Joe should be applauded for his activism against MOVING VIOLATIONS! (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3058734)

QuotePaterno said he addresses safety issues with students when he sees a concern on campus.

"I must do that 10 times a year, because I think students have a disregard for safety," he said.

A cute 10-year-old knocks on the door. What do you do? What do you do?

He already said, "refer them to a couple of other rooms," meaning, I assume, wherever the SanduskyMonster is staying.


I don't think cute girls are Sandusky's type.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on November 09, 2011, 11:18:30 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 09, 2011, 11:09:24 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 09, 2011, 11:08:24 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 09, 2011, 10:55:41 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 09, 2011, 10:46:16 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 09, 2011, 10:18:32 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on November 09, 2011, 10:06:47 AM
So basically at this point Joe Paterno and his legacy are bigger than everything up to and including child molestation rape in Penn State's world. Slaky is right, evacuate the place and nuke it.

When people do certain things to kids, we shouldn't mince words.

Regular rape is OK for those who are pretty good football players, too (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/10766548/). I mean, who's knocking on your door?

Quote"There's some tough — there's so many people gravitating to these kids. He may not have even known what he was getting into, Nicholson. They knock on the door; somebody may knock on the door; a cute girl knocks on the door. What do you do?"

"Geez. I hope — thank God they don't knock on my door because I'd refer them to a couple of other rooms," Paterno continued. "But that's too bad. You hate to see that. I really do. You like to see a kid end up his football career. He's a heck of a football player, by the way; he's a really good football player. And it's just too bad."

If nothing else, Joe should be applauded for his activism against MOVING VIOLATIONS! (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3058734)

QuotePaterno said he addresses safety issues with students when he sees a concern on campus.

"I must do that 10 times a year, because I think students have a disregard for safety," he said.

A cute 10-year-old knocks on the door. What do you do? What do you do?

He already said, "refer them to a couple of other rooms," meaning, I assume, wherever the SanduskyMonster is staying.


I don't think cute girls are Sandusky's type.

Exactly, it's the safest place for them.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on November 09, 2011, 11:27:18 AM
What gets me is that Sandusky's proclivities seem to have been an open secret for like 15 years now.  Even before the 2002 incident in the shower, it seems there was some smoke around this guy, which would seem to indicate that further inside that world people must have had suspicions about the guy even earlier.  And yet they chose to do nothing. The thing is so Catholic Church from every angle, I honestly cannot comprehend how they thought ignoring it created the better upisde.  Fucking reckless idiots.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Gilgamesh on November 09, 2011, 11:31:21 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 09, 2011, 11:27:18 AM
What gets me is that Sandusky's proclivities seem to have been an open secret for like 15 years now.  Even before the 2002 incident in the shower, it seems there was some smoke around this guy, which would seem to indicate that further inside that world people must have had suspicions about the guy even earlier.  And yet they chose to do nothing. The thing is so Catholic Church from every angle, I honestly cannot comprehend how they thought ignoring it created the better upisde.  Fucking reckless idiots.

That said, I still think the Catholic Church scandal is worse, only slightly.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Gilgamesh on November 09, 2011, 11:36:15 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 09, 2011, 11:32:25 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on November 09, 2011, 11:31:21 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 09, 2011, 11:27:18 AM
What gets me is that Sandusky's proclivities seem to have been an open secret for like 15 years now.  Even before the 2002 incident in the shower, it seems there was some smoke around this guy, which would seem to indicate that further inside that world people must have had suspicions about the guy even earlier.  And yet they chose to do nothing. The thing is so Catholic Church from every angle, I honestly cannot comprehend how they thought ignoring it created the better upisde.  Fucking reckless idiots.

That said, I still think the Catholic Church this is worse, only slightly.

Is or isn't?

I fixed it.  Yes, I believe the Church's scandal is worse.  Not only is the history and pattern of abuse far longer and more pervasive, but the fact that priests were the perpetrators made it considerably more damaging than this one.

The Pope's power to cover up that scandal is another damning factor.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on November 09, 2011, 11:49:37 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on November 09, 2011, 11:36:15 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 09, 2011, 11:32:25 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on November 09, 2011, 11:31:21 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 09, 2011, 11:27:18 AM
What gets me is that Sandusky's proclivities seem to have been an open secret for like 15 years now.  Even before the 2002 incident in the shower, it seems there was some smoke around this guy, which would seem to indicate that further inside that world people must have had suspicions about the guy even earlier.  And yet they chose to do nothing. The thing is so Catholic Church from every angle, I honestly cannot comprehend how they thought ignoring it created the better upisde.  Fucking reckless idiots.

That said, I still think the Catholic Church this is worse, only slightly.

Is or isn't?

I fixed it.  Yes, I believe the Church's scandal is worse.  Not only is the history and pattern of abuse far longer and more pervasive, but the fact that priests were the perpetrators made it considerably more damaging than this one.

The Pope's power to cover up that scandal is another damaging factor.

Of course the Catholic church's scandal is worse. The one thing you can say about the Church is that there was an bottom-up push for reform and accountability and that you're beginning to see it manifested in some positive change within the way dioceses are run in the United States.

How does the fact that priests were involved make it any better or worse? That I don't understand.

What makes it worse in my eyes is that the Church is supposed to be a trusted force for good, and it has been for Centuries. If you were to tally the good and the bad the Church has done, the totality of the good would outweigh the bad. That's why the scandal is worse. People point to all the good and thus trust the Church to be an unwavering protector of the most vulnerable.

Penn State football? Sure, Paterno's done great things for the Matt Millens of the world, but why should anyone trust them?

Ah yes, that's it: 60 years of great character wiped away by this. Yes. Paterno earned tremendous trust from a lot of people. Sandusky's association with Paterno allowed him to get away with this.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Gilgamesh on November 09, 2011, 12:06:22 PM
Quote from: Brownie on November 09, 2011, 11:49:37 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on November 09, 2011, 11:36:15 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 09, 2011, 11:32:25 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on November 09, 2011, 11:31:21 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 09, 2011, 11:27:18 AM
What gets me is that Sandusky's proclivities seem to have been an open secret for like 15 years now.  Even before the 2002 incident in the shower, it seems there was some smoke around this guy, which would seem to indicate that further inside that world people must have had suspicions about the guy even earlier.  And yet they chose to do nothing. The thing is so Catholic Church from every angle, I honestly cannot comprehend how they thought ignoring it created the better upisde.  Fucking reckless idiots.

That said, I still think the Catholic Church this is worse, only slightly.

Is or isn't?

I fixed it.  Yes, I believe the Church's scandal is worse.  Not only is the history and pattern of abuse far longer and more pervasive, but the fact that priests were the perpetrators made it considerably more damaging than this one.

The Pope's power to cover up that scandal is another damaging factor.

Of course the Catholic church's scandal is worse. The one thing you can say about the Church is that there was an bottom-up push for reform and accountability and that you're beginning to see it manifested in some positive change within the way dioceses are run in the United States.

How does the fact that priests were involved make it any better or worse? That I don't understand.

What makes it worse in my eyes is that the Church is supposed to be a trusted force for good, and it has been for Centuries. If you were to tally the good and the bad the Church has done, the totality of the good would outweigh the bad. That's why the scandal is worse. People point to all the good and thus trust the Church to be an unwavering protector of the most vulnerable.

Penn State football? Sure, Paterno's done great things for the Matt Millens of the world, but why should anyone trust them?

Ah yes, that's it: 60 years of great character wiped away by this. Yes. Paterno earned tremendous trust from a lot of people. Sandusky's association with Paterno allowed him to get away with this.

That was basically my point in tying it to the priests.  You have the institutional force for good that the Church has been personified in the local priest who then turns around and abuses it in such an egregious fashion.

But this debate is largely academic; both scandals are terrible.

I just don't want to nuke the Vatican...

...

...yet.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 09, 2011, 12:09:30 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on November 09, 2011, 12:06:22 PM
But this debate is largely academic; both scandals are terrible.

Yeah... I still don't get the point of this "debate."
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on November 09, 2011, 12:10:34 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on November 09, 2011, 12:06:22 PM
Quote from: Brownie on November 09, 2011, 11:49:37 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on November 09, 2011, 11:36:15 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 09, 2011, 11:32:25 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on November 09, 2011, 11:31:21 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 09, 2011, 11:27:18 AM
What gets me is that Sandusky's proclivities seem to have been an open secret for like 15 years now.  Even before the 2002 incident in the shower, it seems there was some smoke around this guy, which would seem to indicate that further inside that world people must have had suspicions about the guy even earlier.  And yet they chose to do nothing. The thing is so Catholic Church from every angle, I honestly cannot comprehend how they thought ignoring it created the better upisde.  Fucking reckless idiots.

That said, I still think the Catholic Church this is worse, only slightly.

Is or isn't?

I fixed it.  Yes, I believe the Church's scandal is worse.  Not only is the history and pattern of abuse far longer and more pervasive, but the fact that priests were the perpetrators made it considerably more damaging than this one.

The Pope's power to cover up that scandal is another damaging factor.

Of course the Catholic church's scandal is worse. The one thing you can say about the Church is that there was an bottom-up push for reform and accountability and that you're beginning to see it manifested in some positive change within the way dioceses are run in the United States.

How does the fact that priests were involved make it any better or worse? That I don't understand.

What makes it worse in my eyes is that the Church is supposed to be a trusted force for good, and it has been for Centuries. If you were to tally the good and the bad the Church has done, the totality of the good would outweigh the bad. That's why the scandal is worse. People point to all the good and thus trust the Church to be an unwavering protector of the most vulnerable.

Penn State football? Sure, Paterno's done great things for the Matt Millens of the world, but why should anyone trust them?

Ah yes, that's it: 60 years of great character wiped away by this. Yes. Paterno earned tremendous trust from a lot of people. Sandusky's association with Paterno allowed him to get away with this.

That was basically my point in tying it to the priests.  You have the institutional force for good that the Church has been personified in the local priest who then turns around and abuses it in such an egregious fashion.

But this debate is largely academic; both scandals are terrible.

I just don't want to nuke the Vatican...

...

...yet.

Not yet. Let's see how things play out over the next five years. If nothing's changed, I'll push the button.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 01:08:20 PM
Let's try not to drag the church into this.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on November 09, 2011, 01:42:10 PM
I've seen a ton about Paterno, McCreary, and the administration, in that order. Not much about Jerry "Penn State Pedobear" Sandusky himself. Has the statute run out on criminal proceedings? What's going to happen to this "alleged" shitstain of a human being?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on November 09, 2011, 01:45:02 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 09, 2011, 01:42:10 PM
I've seen a ton about Paterno, McCreary, and the administration, in that order. Not much about Jerry "Penn State Pedobear" Sandusky himself. Has the statute run out on criminal proceedings? What's going to happen to this "alleged" shitstain of a human being?

That's the thing, Sterling.  He was indicted on 40-some counts of child rape last Friday and the criminal complaint implicates Paterno, McQueary and friends as complicit.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on November 09, 2011, 01:48:15 PM
Quote from: Brownie on November 09, 2011, 01:45:02 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 09, 2011, 01:42:10 PM
I've seen a ton about Paterno, McCreary, and the administration, in that order. Not much about Jerry "Penn State Pedobear" Sandusky himself. Has the statute run out on criminal proceedings? What's going to happen to this "alleged" shitstain of a human being?

That's the thing, Sterling.  He was indicted on 40-some counts of child rape last Friday and the criminal complaint implicates Paterno, McQueary and friends as complicit.


Yet all we hear about is everyone else. I hope he's convicted on every single one of them then.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on November 09, 2011, 01:50:24 PM
Is there still time to get "nuked from space" approved as capital punishment?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: PenPho on November 09, 2011, 01:52:54 PM
I don't know how anyone can focus on all these rumors and allegations when there's such a big game with Nebraska this weekend.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: PenPho on November 09, 2011, 01:57:46 PM
April fucking 4th*.  (http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html#user-comment-area)


*DPD
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 02:08:11 PM
Quote from: PenPho on November 09, 2011, 01:57:46 PM
April fucking 4th*.  (http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html#user-comment-area)


*DPD

uhhhh 1998.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: PenPho on November 09, 2011, 02:30:07 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 02:08:11 PM
Quote from: PenPho on November 09, 2011, 01:57:46 PM
April fucking 4th*.  (http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html#user-comment-area)


*DPD

uhhhh 1998.

I know, I know.
My only point being that...fuck all these people.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 02:37:15 PM
Quote from: PenPho on November 09, 2011, 02:30:07 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 02:08:11 PM
Quote from: PenPho on November 09, 2011, 01:57:46 PM
April fucking 4th*.  (http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html#user-comment-area)


*DPD

uhhhh 1998.

I know, I know.
My only point being that...fuck all these people.

Agreed on that.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on November 09, 2011, 02:48:23 PM
Quote from: PenPho on November 09, 2011, 01:52:54 PM
I don't know how anyone can focus on all these rumors and allegations when there's such a big game with Nebraska this weekend.


Robbie, just practice your kickoffs and work on your insults of the McCaskey family. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-adams-expresses-shock-gould-supports-paterno-20111109,0,534025.story)


QuoteGould feels Paterno deserves to finish out this season as head coach.

"Let's hope the kids can re-focus now and worry about beating Nebraska and not worry about situations that are out of their control or not in their hands," Gould said.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: morpheus on November 09, 2011, 03:00:59 PM
The full grand jury report. (http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf)  It will make you ANGRY WITH RAGE, sad, and want to vomit all at the same time.  Fuck anyone who knew anything at all about this and didn't make sure it got reported to the police.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Armchair_QB on November 09, 2011, 03:24:38 PM
Quote from: morpheus on November 09, 2011, 03:00:59 PM
The full grand jury report. (http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf)  It will make you ANGRY WITH RAGE, sad, and want to vomit all at the same time.  Fuck anyone who knew anything at all about this and didn't make sure it got reported to the police.

Heard enough to know there's no way I can read that.

And here's a happy thought. Sandusky is one guy out of hundreds of thousands of employees at thousands of universities across the country.

He can't be the only one.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 03:27:56 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on November 09, 2011, 03:24:38 PM
Quote from: morpheus on November 09, 2011, 03:00:59 PM
The full grand jury report. (http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf)  It will make you ANGRY WITH RAGE, sad, and want to vomit all at the same time.  Fuck anyone who knew anything at all about this and didn't make sure it got reported to the police.

Heard enough to know there's no way I can read that.

And here's a happy thought. Sandusky is one guy out of hundreds of thousands of employees at thousands of universities across the country.

He can't be the only one.


You should read it. I'm reading it now. Don't ignore this stuff. It's real.

What's worse is that Sandusky didn't become a pedophile in 1998. I don't know what else he's done before this stuff became known but I hope all of the victims come forward.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on November 09, 2011, 03:31:16 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 03:27:56 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on November 09, 2011, 03:24:38 PM
Quote from: morpheus on November 09, 2011, 03:00:59 PM
The full grand jury report. (http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf)  It will make you ANGRY WITH RAGE, sad, and want to vomit all at the same time.  Fuck anyone who knew anything at all about this and didn't make sure it got reported to the police.

Heard enough to know there's no way I can read that.

And here's a happy thought. Sandusky is one guy out of hundreds of thousands of employees at thousands of universities across the country.

He can't be the only one.


You should read it. I'm reading it now. Don't ignore this stuff. It's real.

What's worse is that Sandusky didn't become a pedophile in 1998. I don't know what else he's done before this stuff became known but I hope all of the victims come forward.

It's the worst thing I've ever read.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 03:39:43 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 09, 2011, 03:31:16 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 03:27:56 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on November 09, 2011, 03:24:38 PM
Quote from: morpheus on November 09, 2011, 03:00:59 PM
The full grand jury report. (http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf)  It will make you ANGRY WITH RAGE, sad, and want to vomit all at the same time.  Fuck anyone who knew anything at all about this and didn't make sure it got reported to the police.

Heard enough to know there's no way I can read that.

And here's a happy thought. Sandusky is one guy out of hundreds of thousands of employees at thousands of universities across the country.

He can't be the only one.


You should read it. I'm reading it now. Don't ignore this stuff. It's real.

What's worse is that Sandusky didn't become a pedophile in 1998. I don't know what else he's done before this stuff became known but I hope all of the victims come forward.

It's the worst thing I've ever read.

Nothing compares. Everyone involved in this should swing.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: PenPho on November 09, 2011, 04:28:17 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 03:39:43 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 09, 2011, 03:31:16 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 03:27:56 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on November 09, 2011, 03:24:38 PM
Quote from: morpheus on November 09, 2011, 03:00:59 PM
The full grand jury report. (http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf)  It will make you ANGRY WITH RAGE, sad, and want to vomit all at the same time.  Fuck anyone who knew anything at all about this and didn't make sure it got reported to the police.

Heard enough to know there's no way I can read that.

And here's a happy thought. Sandusky is one guy out of hundreds of thousands of employees at thousands of universities across the country.

He can't be the only one.


You should read it. I'm reading it now. Don't ignore this stuff. It's real.

What's worse is that Sandusky didn't become a pedophile in 1998. I don't know what else he's done before this stuff became known but I hope all of the victims come forward.

It's the worst thing I've ever read.

Nothing compares. Everyone involved in this should swing.

I read this yesterday after an FB friend who's a PSU alum was urging me to read it to understand why he was defending Paterno.

Needless to say, my reading it did not achieve his desired result.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: morpheus on November 09, 2011, 04:30:42 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 03:39:43 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 09, 2011, 03:31:16 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 03:27:56 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on November 09, 2011, 03:24:38 PM
Quote from: morpheus on November 09, 2011, 03:00:59 PM
The full grand jury report. (http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf)  It will make you ANGRY WITH RAGE, sad, and want to vomit all at the same time.  Fuck anyone who knew anything at all about this and didn't make sure it got reported to the police.

Heard enough to know there's no way I can read that.

And here's a happy thought. Sandusky is one guy out of hundreds of thousands of employees at thousands of universities across the country.

He can't be the only one.


You should read it. I'm reading it now. Don't ignore this stuff. It's real.

What's worse is that Sandusky didn't become a pedophile in 1998. I don't know what else he's done before this stuff became known but I hope all of the victims come forward.

It's the worst thing I've ever read.

Nothing compares. Everyone involved in this should swing.

CT and Slaky are right.  Armchair QB, you should read it.  If nothing else, it serves as a reminder that there are awful, terrible, horrible people out there.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 09, 2011, 04:40:29 PM
Quote from: PenPho on November 09, 2011, 04:28:17 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 03:39:43 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 09, 2011, 03:31:16 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 03:27:56 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on November 09, 2011, 03:24:38 PM
Quote from: morpheus on November 09, 2011, 03:00:59 PM
The full grand jury report. (http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf)  It will make you ANGRY WITH RAGE, sad, and want to vomit all at the same time.  Fuck anyone who knew anything at all about this and didn't make sure it got reported to the police.

Heard enough to know there's no way I can read that.

And here's a happy thought. Sandusky is one guy out of hundreds of thousands of employees at thousands of universities across the country.

He can't be the only one.


You should read it. I'm reading it now. Don't ignore this stuff. It's real.

What's worse is that Sandusky didn't become a pedophile in 1998. I don't know what else he's done before this stuff became known but I hope all of the victims come forward.

It's the worst thing I've ever read.

Nothing compares. Everyone involved in this should swing.

I read this yesterday after an FB friend who's a PSU alum was urging me to read it to understand why he was defending Paterno.

Needless to say, my reading it did not achieve his desired result.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/05/penn-state-prez-offers-unconditional-support-to-ad

QuoteAs for how all of this will affect Joe Paterno?  The coaching legend was lauded in the grand jury's indictment, praised for learning of the 2002 incident and immediately reporting it to Curley.  We can't help but wonder, however, if these deplorable incidents coming to the public light could be the impetus for JoePa to shuffle off into retirement.

"Lauded"? "Praised"?

I must have glossed over that part.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Waco Kid on November 09, 2011, 04:49:05 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/TomVH/status/134323905572765696 (http://twitter.com/#!/TomVH/status/134323905572765696)

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/444214128.png?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1320879714&Signature=lNcOMBUmfLY3GnKRNTVeLrNBCFM%3D)
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 09, 2011, 04:55:06 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on November 09, 2011, 04:49:05 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/TomVH/status/134323905572765696 (http://twitter.com/#!/TomVH/status/134323905572765696)

(http://i.imgur.com/X9pfN.png)

That might still be the case when all is said and done.

I mean, the NCAA doesn't really have any explicit rules against programs covering up child rape occurring in their showers does it?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: flannj on November 09, 2011, 04:57:56 PM
Quote from: morpheus on November 09, 2011, 04:30:42 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 03:39:43 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 09, 2011, 03:31:16 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 03:27:56 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on November 09, 2011, 03:24:38 PM
Quote from: morpheus on November 09, 2011, 03:00:59 PM
The full grand jury report. (http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf)  It will make you ANGRY WITH RAGE, sad, and want to vomit all at the same time.  Fuck anyone who knew anything at all about this and didn't make sure it got reported to the police.

Heard enough to know there's no way I can read that.

And here's a happy thought. Sandusky is one guy out of hundreds of thousands of employees at thousands of universities across the country.

He can't be the only one.


You should read it. I'm reading it now. Don't ignore this stuff. It's real.

What's worse is that Sandusky didn't become a pedophile in 1998. I don't know what else he's done before this stuff became known but I hope all of the victims come forward.

It's the worst thing I've ever read.

Nothing compares. Everyone involved in this should swing.

CT and Slaky are right.  Armchair QB, you should read it.  If nothing else, it serves as a reminder that there are awful, terrible, horrible people out there.

Read it. It's not pleasant but you'll be more informed than 99% of those who think they know enough to comment on the situation.

Just sickening.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Internet Apex on November 09, 2011, 05:18:38 PM
I read part of it. I'm not reading the entire thing. It's too disturbing. Sorry for any jokes I made before reading it. This shit is hellishly sick. I hate Paterno.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: thehawk on November 09, 2011, 06:05:50 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 09, 2011, 04:55:06 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on November 09, 2011, 04:49:05 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/TomVH/status/134323905572765696 (http://twitter.com/#!/TomVH/status/134323905572765696)

(http://i.imgur.com/X9pfN.png)

That might still be the case when all is said and done.

I mean, the NCAA doesn't really have any explicit rules against programs covering up child rape occurring in their showers does it?

Considering the NCAA's track record with big programs, I feel better that real police and prosecutors are handling this.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on November 09, 2011, 06:35:10 PM
Jesus Christ.

http://www.centredaily.com/2011/11/09/2980355/sandusky-distraught-over-paterno.html#ixzz1dFkuLECX

Much as I want there to be a trial so all these shitheels are exposed, I almost wish somebody would just Jack Ruby this asshole.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BC on November 09, 2011, 07:22:16 PM
Regarding the NCAA, it would be a first for that organization to suspend a college football coach without a rules violation. Since it usually takes the NCAA at least a few months to investigate and then punish, there's really nothing the NCAA can do unless it establishes a new precedent.

So, that leaves the situation in the hands of either the Penn State Board of Trustees or Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany. The BOT seems unwilling to fire Paterno, so that leaves Delany. This situation has been harmful to the conference and only will continue to get worse. I think Delany's best course of action is to contact the BOT and say "Either fire Paterno, or he's suspended indefinitely for conduct detrimental to the conference"... If the BOT doesn't do anything by the end of the day tomorrow, announce the suspension and then someone finally will show some leadership in this mess.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on November 09, 2011, 07:35:05 PM
Quote from: BC on November 09, 2011, 07:22:16 PM
Regarding the NCAA, it would be a first for that organization to suspend a college football coach without a rules violation. Since it usually takes the NCAA at least a few months to investigate and then punish, there's really nothing the NCAA can do unless it establishes a new precedent.

So, that leaves the situation in the hands of either the Penn State Board of Trustees or Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany. The BOT seems unwilling to fire Paterno, so that leaves Delany. This situation has been harmful to the conference and only will continue to get worse. I think Delany's best course of action is to contact the BOT and say "Either fire Paterno, or he's suspended indefinitely for conduct detrimental to the conference"... If the BOT doesn't do anything by the end of the day tomorrow, announce the suspension and then someone finally will show some leadership in this mess.
Delany should order the game moved to Lincoln. Penn State can show up or not. Deny Paterno bis last ovation.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on November 09, 2011, 08:18:30 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 09, 2011, 06:35:10 PM
Jesus Christ.

http://www.centredaily.com/2011/11/09/2980355/sandusky-distraught-over-paterno.html#ixzz1dFkuLECX

Much as I want there to be a trial so all these shitheels are exposed, I almost wish somebody would just Jack Ruby this asshole.

I'm distraught by middle-aged men putting their parts into little boys.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BC on November 09, 2011, 09:18:50 PM
Looks like the Penn State BOT has fired Paterno. I don't know why it took this long, but at least the obvious decision has now been made.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on November 09, 2011, 09:25:35 PM
Quote from: BC on November 09, 2011, 09:18:50 PM
Looks like the Penn State BOT has fired Paterno. I don't know why it took this long, but at least the obvious decision has now been made.

Yep.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/joe-paterno-fired-penn-state-football-coach-president-graham-spanier-child-sex-abuse-scandal-board-of-trustees-meeting-110911
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 09:31:34 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 09, 2011, 09:25:35 PM
Quote from: BC on November 09, 2011, 09:18:50 PM
Looks like the Penn State BOT has fired Paterno. I don't know why it took this long, but at least the obvious decision has now been made.

Yep.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/joe-paterno-fired-penn-state-football-coach-president-graham-spanier-child-sex-abuse-scandal-board-of-trustees-meeting-110911

It's a start. McQueary still there. Bradley must have known. The people asking these questions are fucking assholes and should be ashamed.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BC on November 09, 2011, 09:41:17 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 09:31:34 PM
It's a start. McQueary still there. Bradley must have known. The people asking these questions are fucking assholes and should be ashamed.

That's what I don't get, and the question near the end about why Curley and McQueary are still employed WAS appropriate (Some of the others, um, not at all). If you are going to clean house, then clean house. Don't just push two hairballs (Admittedly big ones) into the trash can while the rest of the room stays dirty.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Armchair_QB on November 09, 2011, 09:49:44 PM
Quote from: BC on November 09, 2011, 09:41:17 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 09:31:34 PM
It's a start. McQueary still there. Bradley must have known. The people asking these questions are fucking assholes and should be ashamed.

That's what I don't get, and the question near the end about why Curley and McQueary are still employed WAS appropriate (Some of the others, um, not at all). If you are going to clean house, then clean house. Don't just push two hairballs (Admittedly big ones) into the trash can while the rest of the room stays dirty.

You fire the big dogs first and clean up the rest later.

Curley's going to prison so he'll get his. As for McQueary, the whole staff will be gone at the end of the year and this probably effectively ends his coaching career.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on November 09, 2011, 09:56:09 PM
It should be a lovely atmosphere in Happy Valley Saturday. I hope Nebraska scores 70 on them.

For the children.

Again, they should move the game to Lincoln. Nebraskans would fill the stadium up. The proceeds could go to some anti-child abuse charity. Penn State can figure out their travel arrangements on their own. No way should Beaver Stadium host a joyful football game.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on November 09, 2011, 09:58:36 PM
Quote from: Brownie on November 09, 2011, 09:56:09 PM
It should be a lovely atmosphere in Happy Valley Saturday. I hope Nebraska scores 70 on them.

For the children.

Again, they should move the game to Lincoln. Nebraskans would fill the stadium up. The proceeds could go to some anti-child abuse charity. Penn State can figure out their travel arrangements on their own. No way should Beaver Stadium host a joyful football game.

I do feel a little bad for any Penn State player who had absolutely nothing to do with this, but yeah, go Nebraska.

As for the grand jury report, I simply do not understand how McQueary didn't remove that poor child from that situation immediately.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on November 09, 2011, 10:03:54 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 09, 2011, 09:58:36 PM
Quote from: Brownie on November 09, 2011, 09:56:09 PM
It should be a lovely atmosphere in Happy Valley Saturday. I hope Nebraska scores 70 on them.

For the children.

Again, they should move the game to Lincoln. Nebraskans would fill the stadium up. The proceeds could go to some anti-child abuse charity. Penn State can figure out their travel arrangements on their own. No way should Beaver Stadium host a joyful football game.

I do feel a little bad for any Penn State player who had absolutely nothing to do with this, but yeah, go Nebraska.

As for the grand jury report, I simply do not understand how McQueary didn't remove that poor child from that situation immediately.

If I'm a Penn State player, I'm looking to transfer anywhere, and I probably don't give a shit about the rest of the season.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on November 09, 2011, 10:04:26 PM
DPD.  Some reports coming out that Penn State students are rioting on campus after Paterno's firing.  Slaky's Plan is sounding better and better as time goes on.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: R-V on November 09, 2011, 10:05:49 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 09, 2011, 03:31:16 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 03:27:56 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on November 09, 2011, 03:24:38 PM
Quote from: morpheus on November 09, 2011, 03:00:59 PM
The full grand jury report. (http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf)  It will make you ANGRY WITH RAGE, sad, and want to vomit all at the same time.  Fuck anyone who knew anything at all about this and didn't make sure it got reported to the police.

Heard enough to know there's no way I can read that.

And here's a happy thought. Sandusky is one guy out of hundreds of thousands of employees at thousands of universities across the country.

He can't be the only one.


You should read it. I'm reading it now. Don't ignore this stuff. It's real.

What's worse is that Sandusky didn't become a pedophile in 1998. I don't know what else he's done before this stuff became known but I hope all of the victims come forward.

It's the worst thing I've ever read.

And that's coming from a man who's read thousands of Fork's jokes.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BC on November 09, 2011, 10:07:43 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 09, 2011, 10:05:49 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 09, 2011, 03:31:16 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 03:27:56 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on November 09, 2011, 03:24:38 PM
Quote from: morpheus on November 09, 2011, 03:00:59 PM
The full grand jury report. (http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf)  It will make you ANGRY WITH RAGE, sad, and want to vomit all at the same time.  Fuck anyone who knew anything at all about this and didn't make sure it got reported to the police.

Heard enough to know there's no way I can read that.

And here's a happy thought. Sandusky is one guy out of hundreds of thousands of employees at thousands of universities across the country.

He can't be the only one.


You should read it. I'm reading it now. Don't ignore this stuff. It's real.

What's worse is that Sandusky didn't become a pedophile in 1998. I don't know what else he's done before this stuff became known but I hope all of the victims come forward.

It's the worst thing I've ever read.

And that's coming from a man who's read thousands of Fork's jokes.

And several of my jokes.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on November 09, 2011, 10:15:13 PM
Quote from: BC on November 09, 2011, 10:07:43 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 09, 2011, 10:05:49 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 09, 2011, 03:31:16 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 09, 2011, 03:27:56 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on November 09, 2011, 03:24:38 PM
Quote from: morpheus on November 09, 2011, 03:00:59 PM
The full grand jury report. (http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf)  It will make you ANGRY WITH RAGE, sad, and want to vomit all at the same time.  Fuck anyone who knew anything at all about this and didn't make sure it got reported to the police.

Heard enough to know there's no way I can read that.

And here's a happy thought. Sandusky is one guy out of hundreds of thousands of employees at thousands of universities across the country.

He can't be the only one.


You should read it. I'm reading it now. Don't ignore this stuff. It's real.

What's worse is that Sandusky didn't become a pedophile in 1998. I don't know what else he's done before this stuff became known but I hope all of the victims come forward.

It's the worst thing I've ever read.

And that's coming from a man who's read thousands of Fork's jokes.

And several of my jokes.

Those were jokes?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: smg on November 09, 2011, 10:30:07 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 09, 2011, 09:58:36 PM


As for the grand jury report, I simply do not understand how McQueary didn't remove that poor child from that situation immediately.

I keep going back and forth on who to hate the most.  Who sees that and just leaves?  He says the child actually saw him.  That poor kid probably thought someone was finally going to help him.  Instead, he traded his conscience and that child for a coaching job. 
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: flannj on November 09, 2011, 10:50:32 PM
Quote from: smg on November 09, 2011, 10:30:07 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 09, 2011, 09:58:36 PM


As for the grand jury report, I simply do not understand how McQueary didn't remove that poor child from that situation immediately.

I keep going back and forth on who to hate the most.  Who sees that and just leaves?  He says the child actually saw him.  That poor kid probably thought someone was finally going to help him.  Instead, he traded his conscience and that child for a coaching job. 

THIS.

Escalation should mean more than just contacting compliance.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 09, 2011, 11:27:30 PM
This Twitter back-and-forth seems relevant to various Desipiot interests...

http://twitter.com/HenryBurris/status/134272490263420928
http://twitter.com/TheoFleury14/status/134277105461624832
http://twitter.com/HenryBurris/status/134294398199537664
http://twitter.com/TheoFleury14/status/134297433692844032

(Fleury himself was sexually abused in his mid-teens at the hand of his juniors coach (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_James_(ice_hockey)).)
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 09, 2011, 11:32:08 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 09, 2011, 10:04:26 PM
DPD.  Some reports coming out that Penn State students are rioting on campus after Paterno's firing.  Slaky's Plan is sounding better and better as time goes on.

(http://i.imgur.com/V3c5r.jpg)

WE ARE PENN STATE!
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CubFaninHydePark on November 10, 2011, 12:05:49 AM
As a Pitt alum, I'm enjoying watching the Penn State students riot in support of Paterno and look like clueless idiots.  They are Penn State.

But that's as far as it goes.  I wanted to see JoePa go out on a winless seasion sure, but never like this.  There's just too much that suggests JoePa knew something.  I also hope McQueary's life is as difficult and troubled as the life of the kid he saw getting raped.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Quality Start Machine on November 10, 2011, 06:16:26 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 10, 2011, 12:05:49 AM
As a Pitt alum, I'm enjoying watching the Penn State students riot in support of Paterno and look like clueless idiots.  They are Penn State.


There is nothing about this that's enjoyable.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: R-V on November 10, 2011, 08:02:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on November 10, 2011, 06:16:26 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 10, 2011, 12:05:49 AM
As a Pitt alum, I'm enjoying watching the Penn State students riot in support of Paterno and look like clueless idiots.  They are Penn State.


There is nothing about this that's enjoyable.

But he went to a school that is a sporting rival of Penn State! That makes this a sweet day indeed for CFiHP.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Waco Kid on November 10, 2011, 08:11:44 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 09, 2011, 10:04:26 PM
DPD.  Some reports coming out that Penn State students are rioting on campus after Paterno's firing.  Slaky's Plan is sounding better and better as time goes on.

Agreed.

Just when you think this thing couldn't get any more despicable, the students of Penn State  kick even more dirt into the collective faces of the victims.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BH on November 10, 2011, 08:21:04 AM
"You are Penn State. And you are all idiots." (http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/wilbur/2011/11/state_of_idiocy.html)
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on November 10, 2011, 08:39:53 AM
When Slaky talked about nuking Penn State, was he being literal, as in Obama getting the "football," typing in his codes and selecting the coordinates for Beaver Stadium?

No?

Maybe now (http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-rumored-to-have-been-pimping-out-young-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html).

THIS is what I meant by more demons.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on November 10, 2011, 08:45:15 AM
This is all so retarded and sad.

I'm gathering that legally Paterno did what was required of him, but morally he really failed.  Sandusky was reportedly still hanging around Penn State's campus as recent as last week.  It's a terrible way for a legend to fall from grace, but he had to know this was going to rear it's ugly head sooner or later and he's getting what he deserves.  Maybe he was hoping he'd take it to his grave before shit hit the fan.

I can pass judgement because I don't diddle little kids and I don't hide the fact that a friend of mine used a sports mentoring program to prey on and diddle little kids.

ETA:  I've yet to read the 23 page report...I think I'll do that now.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on November 10, 2011, 08:47:52 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 10, 2011, 08:39:53 AM
When Slaky talked about nuking Penn State, was he being literal, as in Obama getting the "football," typing in his codes and selecting the coordinates for Beaver Stadium?

No?

Maybe now (http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-rumored-to-have-been-pimping-out-young-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html).

THIS is what I meant by more demons.

Madden was on the Score this morning and mentioned this angle then too.  And like an idiot, I thought this couldn't get any worse.
 
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 10, 2011, 10:04:49 AM
Quote from: BH on November 10, 2011, 08:21:04 AM
"You are Penn State. And you are all idiots." (http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/wilbur/2011/11/state_of_idiocy.html)

And possibly about to somehow get outclassed by some some litigious attention whore assholes from Kansas? (http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/penn-st-nittany-lions/2011/11/9/2549975/penn-state-scandal-westboro-baptist-church)
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: PenPho on November 10, 2011, 10:07:23 AM
Quote from: smg on November 09, 2011, 10:30:07 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 09, 2011, 09:58:36 PM


As for the grand jury report, I simply do not understand how McQueary didn't remove that poor child from that situation immediately.

I keep going back and forth on who to hate the most.  Who sees that and just leaves?  He says the child actually saw him.  That poor kid probably thought someone was finally going to help him.  Instead, he traded his conscience and that child for a coaching job. 

Sandusky.

Followed in order by:
Sandusky
Sandusky
Sandusky
Sandusky
Sandusky
Sandusky
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
Anybody who knew and didn't make sure that Sandusky never breathed another minute of non-prison air.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 10, 2011, 10:10:13 AM
Quote from: PenPho on November 10, 2011, 10:07:23 AM
Quote from: smg on November 09, 2011, 10:30:07 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 09, 2011, 09:58:36 PM


As for the grand jury report, I simply do not understand how McQueary didn't remove that poor child from that situation immediately.

I keep going back and forth on who to hate the most.  Who sees that and just leaves?  He says the child actually saw him.  That poor kid probably thought someone was finally going to help him.  Instead, he traded his conscience and that child for a coaching job. 

Sandusky.

Followed in order by:
Sandusky
Sandusky
Sandusky
Sandusky
Sandusky
Sandusky
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Anybody who knew and didn't make sure that Sandusky never breathed another minute of non-prison air.

I suspect she meant 'who to hate the most aside from the obvious.'
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: PenPho on November 10, 2011, 10:11:26 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 10, 2011, 10:10:13 AM
Quote from: PenPho on November 10, 2011, 10:07:23 AM
Quote from: smg on November 09, 2011, 10:30:07 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 09, 2011, 09:58:36 PM


As for the grand jury report, I simply do not understand how McQueary didn't remove that poor child from that situation immediately.

I keep going back and forth on who to hate the most.  Who sees that and just leaves?  He says the child actually saw him.  That poor kid probably thought someone was finally going to help him.  Instead, he traded his conscience and that child for a coaching job. 

Sandusky.

Followed in order by:
Sandusky
Sandusky
Sandusky
Sandusky
Sandusky
Sandusky
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Anybody who knew and didn't make sure that Sandusky never breathed another minute of non-prison air.

I suspect she meant 'who to hate the most aside from the obvious.'

Oh, so you're a fucking mind reader?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 10, 2011, 10:12:20 AM
Quote from: PenPho on November 10, 2011, 10:11:26 AM
Oh, so you're a fucking mind reader?

I dabble.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 10, 2011, 10:15:22 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/bf5H0.jpg)

Pictured: some humorless, man-hating lesbos who've never even watched football. Feminists ruin everything.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: PenPho on November 10, 2011, 10:17:34 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 10, 2011, 10:15:22 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/bf5H0.jpg)

Pictured: some humorless, man-hating lesbos who've never even watched football. Feminists ruin everything.

HEY, HEY, HO HO, THIS PENIS PARTY'S GOT TO GO!
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on November 10, 2011, 10:21:15 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 10, 2011, 10:10:13 AM
I suspect she meant 'who to hate the most aside from the obvious.'

Still, I understand SMG's point.  Mainly because I have to believe (for my own sanity) that the only way Jerry Sandusky could commit these acts is because he is somehow, someway fundamentally broken as a human being.  He was going to commit these rapes and the only thing that could stop him was death or incarceration.

On the other hand, you've got multiple people, who are seemingly normal humans with consciences and everything, who turned a blind eye to this conduct to protect something as mundane as their coaching positions and a college fucking football program.  How the fuck can anyone justify that?

Jerry Sandusky is clearly the worst offender, but I hesitate at this point to even designate him as a "human being".  The rest of them?  Well, they lived with it this long, I guess.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: R-V on November 10, 2011, 10:53:02 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 10, 2011, 10:21:15 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 10, 2011, 10:10:13 AM
I suspect she meant 'who to hate the most aside from the obvious.'

Still, I understand SMG's point.  Mainly because I have to believe (for my own sanity) that the only way Jerry Sandusky could commit these acts is because he is somehow, someway fundamentally broken as a human being.  He was going to commit these rapes and the only thing that could stop him was death or incarceration.

On the other hand, you've got multiple people, who are seemingly normal humans with consciences and everything, who turned a blind eye to this conduct to protect something as mundane as their coaching positions and a college fucking football program.  How the fuck can anyone justify that?

Jerry Sandusky is clearly the worst offender, but I hesitate at this point to even designate him as a "human being".  The rest of them?  Well, they lived with it this long, I guess.

The other thing to consider is that with Sandusky performing so many of these vile acts in at least semi-public places (locker rooms, weight rooms, etc) there may have been some tiny shred of him that wanted to get caught. And these assholes didn't take him up on it.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on November 10, 2011, 10:55:20 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 10, 2011, 08:39:53 AM
When Slaky talked about nuking Penn State, was he being literal, as in Obama getting the "football," typing in his codes and selecting the coordinates for Beaver Stadium?

No?

Maybe now (http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-rumored-to-have-been-pimping-out-young-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html).

THIS is what I meant by more demons.

Yep. I truly was being literal. Blow that place to fucking ash.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BH on November 10, 2011, 10:59:09 AM
Quote from: R-V on November 10, 2011, 10:53:02 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 10, 2011, 10:21:15 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 10, 2011, 10:10:13 AM
I suspect she meant 'who to hate the most aside from the obvious.'

Still, I understand SMG's point.  Mainly because I have to believe (for my own sanity) that the only way Jerry Sandusky could commit these acts is because he is somehow, someway fundamentally broken as a human being.  He was going to commit these rapes and the only thing that could stop him was death or incarceration.

On the other hand, you've got multiple people, who are seemingly normal humans with consciences and everything, who turned a blind eye to this conduct to protect something as mundane as their coaching positions and a college fucking football program.  How the fuck can anyone justify that?

Jerry Sandusky is clearly the worst offender, but I hesitate at this point to even designate him as a "human being".  The rest of them?  Well, they lived with it this long, I guess.

The other thing to consider is that with Sandusky performing so many of these vile acts in at least semi-public places (locker rooms, weight rooms, etc) there may have been some tiny shred of him that wanted to get caught. And these assholes didn't take him up on it.

We have a mindreader on staff, if you'd like to get into Sandusky's head.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on November 10, 2011, 11:02:24 AM
Quote from: R-V on November 10, 2011, 10:53:02 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 10, 2011, 10:21:15 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 10, 2011, 10:10:13 AM
I suspect she meant 'who to hate the most aside from the obvious.'

Still, I understand SMG's point.  Mainly because I have to believe (for my own sanity) that the only way Jerry Sandusky could commit these acts is because he is somehow, someway fundamentally broken as a human being.  He was going to commit these rapes and the only thing that could stop him was death or incarceration.

On the other hand, you've got multiple people, who are seemingly normal humans with consciences and everything, who turned a blind eye to this conduct to protect something as mundane as their coaching positions and a college fucking football program.  How the fuck can anyone justify that?

Jerry Sandusky is clearly the worst offender, but I hesitate at this point to even designate him as a "human being".  The rest of them?  Well, they lived with it this long, I guess.

The other thing to consider is that with Sandusky performing so many of these vile acts in at least semi-public places (locker rooms, weight rooms, etc) there may have been some tiny shred of him that wanted to get caught. And these assholes didn't take him up on it.

These are both extremely valid points. Part of me wonders what happened to Sandusky as a kid. Was there something horrible that happened to him? Was he just wired this way? And you have to believe that he didn't just set up a foundation for kids and then suddenly have the urge to rape them. He must have been either doing this well before the establishment of Second Mile or AT LEAST had some kind of illegal materials.

Does he have a laptop? A black book of donors that he pimped these kids out to? Maybe he's burned all of that stuff by now. I don't know. I fear it's too late to find out how deep this goes. If he was truly handing the more willing kids over to rich donors I hope the law finds out each and every one of their names and puts them in a hole in the ground.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: PenPho on November 10, 2011, 11:12:30 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 10, 2011, 11:02:24 AM
Quote from: R-V on November 10, 2011, 10:53:02 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 10, 2011, 10:21:15 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 10, 2011, 10:10:13 AM
I suspect she meant 'who to hate the most aside from the obvious.'

Still, I understand SMG's point.  Mainly because I have to believe (for my own sanity) that the only way Jerry Sandusky could commit these acts is because he is somehow, someway fundamentally broken as a human being.  He was going to commit these rapes and the only thing that could stop him was death or incarceration.

On the other hand, you've got multiple people, who are seemingly normal humans with consciences and everything, who turned a blind eye to this conduct to protect something as mundane as their coaching positions and a college fucking football program.  How the fuck can anyone justify that?

Jerry Sandusky is clearly the worst offender, but I hesitate at this point to even designate him as a "human being".  The rest of them?  Well, they lived with it this long, I guess.

The other thing to consider is that with Sandusky performing so many of these vile acts in at least semi-public places (locker rooms, weight rooms, etc) there may have been some tiny shred of him that wanted to get caught. And these assholes didn't take him up on it.

These are both extremely valid points. Part of me wonders what happened to Sandusky as a kid. Was there something horrible that happened to him? Was he just wired this way? And you have to believe that he didn't just set up a foundation for kids and then suddenly have the urge to rape them. He must have been either doing this well before the establishment of Second Mile or AT LEAST had some kind of illegal materials.

Does he have a laptop? A black book of donors that he pimped these kids out to? Maybe he's burned all of that stuff by now. I don't know. I fear it's too late to find out how deep this goes. If he was truly handing the more willing kids over to rich donors I hope the law finds out each and every one of their names and puts them in a hole in the ground.

Well, he did have a computer that they found in the river with the hard drive destroyed and removed.  (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2805351/posts)

Hopefully, if these new allegations are true, they'll find the trail before it finds a similar fate.

Quote
In 1998 Sandusky was accused of sexual abuse of a child, but it was thrown out. In 1999, Sandusky retired at the age of 55. He was always rumored to be the successor for Paterno at Penn State University. He was a great defensive coordinator. But he was never even rumored to take another job in football. What I find even more troubling is the fact that McQuery walked in on this in 2002, when he was a graduate assistant.

In 2003, he was now a full-time coach. Ray Gricar, the district attorney who didn't file charges against Sandusky, subsequently went missing in 2005, and was declared legally dead in 2011, less than a year before he planned to retire and all his files and evidence would have been turned over to the incoming DA. His computer was found in a river with the hard drive removed. The hard drive was recovered a little further up the river and was completely destroyed. Now I have no evidence at all that any of this is linked to the Sandusky scandal, but it just seems a little more of cover up than the coaches just being negligent to me.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 10, 2011, 11:16:52 AM
Quote from: PenPho on November 10, 2011, 11:12:30 AM
Well, he did have a computer that they found in the river with the hard drive destroyed and removed.  (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2805351/posts)

Hopefully, if these new allegations are true, they'll find the trail before it finds a similar fate.

Quote
In 1998 Sandusky was accused of sexual abuse of a child, but it was thrown out. In 1999, Sandusky retired at the age of 55. He was always rumored to be the successor for Paterno at Penn State University. He was a great defensive coordinator. But he was never even rumored to take another job in football. What I find even more troubling is the fact that McQuery walked in on this in 2002, when he was a graduate assistant.

In 2003, he was now a full-time coach. Ray Gricar, the district attorney who didn't file charges against Sandusky, subsequently went missing in 2005, and was declared legally dead in 2011, less than a year before he planned to retire and all his files and evidence would have been turned over to the incoming DA. His computer was found in a river with the hard drive removed. The hard drive was recovered a little further up the river and was completely destroyed. Now I have no evidence at all that any of this is linked to the Sandusky scandal, but it just seems a little more of cover up than the coaches just being negligent to me.

That laptop was Gricar's, not Sandusky's.

Adding: Free Republic, Pen? Really?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: PenPho on November 10, 2011, 11:19:18 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 10, 2011, 11:16:52 AM
Quote from: PenPho on November 10, 2011, 11:12:30 AM
Well, he did have a computer that they found in the river with the hard drive destroyed and removed.  (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2805351/posts)

Hopefully, if these new allegations are true, they'll find the trail before it finds a similar fate.

Quote
In 1998 Sandusky was accused of sexual abuse of a child, but it was thrown out. In 1999, Sandusky retired at the age of 55. He was always rumored to be the successor for Paterno at Penn State University. He was a great defensive coordinator. But he was never even rumored to take another job in football. What I find even more troubling is the fact that McQuery walked in on this in 2002, when he was a graduate assistant.

In 2003, he was now a full-time coach. Ray Gricar, the district attorney who didn't file charges against Sandusky, subsequently went missing in 2005, and was declared legally dead in 2011, less than a year before he planned to retire and all his files and evidence would have been turned over to the incoming DA. His computer was found in a river with the hard drive removed. The hard drive was recovered a little further up the river and was completely destroyed. Now I have no evidence at all that any of this is linked to the Sandusky scandal, but it just seems a little more of cover up than the coaches just being negligent to me.

That laptop was Gricar's, not Sandusky's.

Adding: Free Republic, Pen? Really?

What, you don't like things that are free?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 10, 2011, 11:24:44 AM
Quote from: PenPho on November 10, 2011, 11:19:18 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 10, 2011, 11:16:52 AM
Quote from: PenPho on November 10, 2011, 11:12:30 AM
Well, he did have a computer that they found in the river with the hard drive destroyed and removed.  (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2805351/posts)

Hopefully, if these new allegations are true, they'll find the trail before it finds a similar fate.

Quote
In 1998 Sandusky was accused of sexual abuse of a child, but it was thrown out. In 1999, Sandusky retired at the age of 55. He was always rumored to be the successor for Paterno at Penn State University. He was a great defensive coordinator. But he was never even rumored to take another job in football. What I find even more troubling is the fact that McQuery walked in on this in 2002, when he was a graduate assistant.

In 2003, he was now a full-time coach. Ray Gricar, the district attorney who didn't file charges against Sandusky, subsequently went missing in 2005, and was declared legally dead in 2011, less than a year before he planned to retire and all his files and evidence would have been turned over to the incoming DA. His computer was found in a river with the hard drive removed. The hard drive was recovered a little further up the river and was completely destroyed. Now I have no evidence at all that any of this is linked to the Sandusky scandal, but it just seems a little more of cover up than the coaches just being negligent to me.

That laptop was Gricar's, not Sandusky's.

Adding: Free Republic, Pen? Really?

What, you don't like things that are free?

I'm mostly just surprised that that poster isn't trying to add Gricar to the Clinton Body Count.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 10, 2011, 11:34:36 AM
More on Gricar's laptop...

http://www.centredaily.com/2009/04/15/1228995/foul-play-theory-weakened.html

QuoteBELLEFONTE — Before he disappeared on April 15, 2005, police say former District Attorney Ray Gricar used his home computer to search the Internet for information on "how to wreck a hard drive," "how to fry a hard drive," and "water damage to a notebook computer."

Tuesday, a day before the fourth anniversary of Gricar's disappearance, Bellefonte Police Detective Matthew Rickard released the information, raising the question of why Gricar would have wanted to destroy that hard drive.

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It wasn't until Tuesday that they revealed the extent of Gricar's probable quest to clear the hard drive. They say the state police forensic computer lab found early in the investigation that the searches for information on "Window Washer 5.0" and other hard-drive erasing products had been made on the computer at the home Gricar shared with his live-in girlfriend.

Other searches included: "how to wreck a hard drive," "how to fry a hard drive," "what's inside a computer," "what's inside a notebook computer," and "water damage to a notebook computer."

Investigators previously had disclosed that they had, through interviews, heard that Gricar was talking about ways to erase a hard drive with friends and colleagues about 16 months before he disappeared. A box for such software was seen at his house around January 2004.

"The investigation learned early on that Mr. Gricar had, in fact, purchased software to accomplish this," Rickard said. "It was believed that pending Mr. Gricar's retirement, he may have wanted to erase his county-issued laptop computer prior to returning the laptop to the District Attorney's Office."

...
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: R-V on November 10, 2011, 12:18:59 PM
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/sports-media-asks-molestation-victims-what-this-me,26609/
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on November 10, 2011, 12:54:48 PM
Here's why, for the idiots that think Paterno "did what he needed to do", I find him to be as contemptible, if not moreso, than anyone not named Sandusky. He wielded (past tense) tremendous influence on the entire campus. He was arguably bigger than anything that Penn State had. Imagine a world where McQueary does the same exact thing. He sees this rape. Calls his dad. They have the meeting with Joe Paterno. Here's where the story diverges from real life: Paterno listens to the claims and says thank you to McQueary for bringing this to attention. He calls the police. Not his boss, not the guy who's in charge of the police, he calls the actual police like any citizen would who witnessed something horrible and against the law. He tells them that he believes Jerry Sandusky was raping a boy on campus and should be arrested.

Everyone is saved the trouble of having to pretend like nothing ever happened. Paterno is a hero. Sandusky is not allowed to rape anyone else going forward.

Seems like such a simple thing that could have made all of this unnecessary.

That's why I blame Paterno for this. No, he didn't commit a crime but no one had the influence that he did. He could have stopped all of this and proven that he was as great as everyone used to think he was. Instead he's just another piece of shit who tried to cover his own ass and save his football legacy. What a disgrace of a human being he is.

Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Tinker to Evers to Chance on November 10, 2011, 01:28:33 PM
Two things jump out at from the grand jury report.  The janitors feared for their jobs if anyone reported what Jim Calhoun saw and the first thing that McQueary did when he saw Sandusky raping that kid was call his dad, and they both decided they needed to go to Paterno rather than the police.

To me, that speaks volumes about the sort of command climate Paterno established out there and it makes me wonder what they tend to cover up on a regular basis.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on November 10, 2011, 01:37:00 PM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on November 10, 2011, 01:28:33 PM
Two things jump out at from the grand jury report.  The janitors feared for their jobs if anyone reported what Jim Calhoun saw and the first thing that McQueary did when he saw Sandusky raping that kid was call his dad, and they both decided they needed to go to Paterno rather than the police.

To me, that speaks volumes about the sort of command climate Paterno established out there and it makes me wonder what they tend to cover up on a regular basis.

The physical reaction of the janitor who's now too demented to testify was very startling. I wonder how much of the reaction was based on what he saw and what the fallout might be from it. The part with Sandusky circling the parking lot until 3 am gave me the creeps.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: R-V on November 10, 2011, 02:07:03 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 10, 2011, 01:37:00 PM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on November 10, 2011, 01:28:33 PM
Two things jump out at from the grand jury report.  The janitors feared for their jobs if anyone reported what Jim Calhoun saw and the first thing that McQueary did when he saw Sandusky raping that kid was call his dad, and they both decided they needed to go to Paterno rather than the police.

To me, that speaks volumes about the sort of command climate Paterno established out there and it makes me wonder what they tend to cover up on a regular basis.

The physical reaction of the janitor who's now too demented to testify was very startling. I wonder how much of the reaction was based on what he saw and what the fallout might be from it. The part with Sandusky circling the parking lot until 3 am gave me the creeps.

Yeah what the hell was that all about? Was he trying to intimidate the staff or something?

The stuff about the janitor dying in a nursing home of dementia was so awful. As he said, the guy had seen some serious shit in his life. But as I think you already mentioned you can't help but seeing something so revolting had to play a part in the guy losing his shit.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on November 10, 2011, 02:35:08 PM
Guys, I didn't read the entire thread so I'm not sure if it's been mentioned here that Sandusky also had adopted children (8, maybe?) and was the caregiver for foster children in the past.  This stuff at Penn State may just be the tip of the iceberg.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Richard Chuggar on November 10, 2011, 03:14:21 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on November 10, 2011, 02:35:08 PM
Guys, I didn't read the entire thread so I'm not sure if it's been mentioned here that Sandusky also had adopted children (8, maybe?) and was the caregiver for foster children in the past.  This stuff at Penn State may just be the tip of the iceberg.

just the tip
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on November 10, 2011, 03:44:34 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on November 10, 2011, 02:35:08 PM
Guys, I didn't read the entire thread so I'm not sure if it's been mentioned here that Sandusky also had adopted children (8, maybe?) and was the caregiver for foster children in the past.  This stuff at Penn State may just be the tip of the iceberg.

I saw that and also saw, while reading the Grand Jury Report, that when shit was getting real that one of the victims was being phoned by among others, Sandusky himself as well as Sandusky's wife, which got me to wondering where does she fit into all this?  If she's calling on behalf of her repressed, child-boogering husband to stifle testimony, not only might that be considered tampering but might also imply that she knew what her husband was up to, which makes my mind bleed with near-explosive ruptures.  I suppose it's possible that Mrs. Sandusky's head was so far up her own ass that she felt her husband was being unfairly railroaded but--and while I won't try to underestimate the power of denial-- considering that this behavior very likely went on for decades, I'm really wondering how she didn't have an idea as to what was going on.  And if she did, fuck her too.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: SKO on November 10, 2011, 03:55:39 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 10, 2011, 12:54:48 PM
Here's why, for the idiots that think Paterno "did what he needed to do", I find him to be as contemptible, if not moreso, than anyone not named Sandusky. He wielded (past tense) tremendous influence on the entire campus. He was arguably bigger than anything that Penn State had. Imagine a world where McQueary does the same exact thing. He sees this rape. Calls his dad. They have the meeting with Joe Paterno. Here's where the story diverges from real life: Paterno listens to the claims and says thank you to McQueary for bringing this to attention. He calls the police. Not his boss, not the guy who's in charge of the police, he calls the actual police like any citizen would who witnessed something horrible and against the law. He tells them that he believes Jerry Sandusky was raping a boy on campus and should be arrested.

Everyone is saved the trouble of having to pretend like nothing ever happened. Paterno is a hero. Sandusky is not allowed to rape anyone else going forward.

Seems like such a simple thing that could have made all of this unnecessary.

That's why I blame Paterno for this. No, he didn't commit a crime but no one had the influence that he did. He could have stopped all of this and proven that he was as great as everyone used to think he was. Instead he's just another piece of shit who tried to cover his own ass and save his football legacy. What a disgrace of a human being he is.



I think it's sadly another example of how often the stupid "leadership" card thrown out in football and sports is completely pointless. I don't question JoePa's legacy as a great coach or a guy who had profound influence on many of his players. I think he's probably still in general not a bad human being. But here's a guy that's been billed as a "leader" for forty years and yet, when an actual event that required someone to be a real leader, not a fucking football coach, he buckled and hid behind his legacy. It's sad.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: R-V on November 10, 2011, 04:11:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 10, 2011, 03:55:39 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 10, 2011, 12:54:48 PM
Here's why, for the idiots that think Paterno "did what he needed to do", I find him to be as contemptible, if not moreso, than anyone not named Sandusky. He wielded (past tense) tremendous influence on the entire campus. He was arguably bigger than anything that Penn State had. Imagine a world where McQueary does the same exact thing. He sees this rape. Calls his dad. They have the meeting with Joe Paterno. Here's where the story diverges from real life: Paterno listens to the claims and says thank you to McQueary for bringing this to attention. He calls the police. Not his boss, not the guy who's in charge of the police, he calls the actual police like any citizen would who witnessed something horrible and against the law. He tells them that he believes Jerry Sandusky was raping a boy on campus and should be arrested.

Everyone is saved the trouble of having to pretend like nothing ever happened. Paterno is a hero. Sandusky is not allowed to rape anyone else going forward.

Seems like such a simple thing that could have made all of this unnecessary.

That's why I blame Paterno for this. No, he didn't commit a crime but no one had the influence that he did. He could have stopped all of this and proven that he was as great as everyone used to think he was. Instead he's just another piece of shit who tried to cover his own ass and save his football legacy. What a disgrace of a human being he is.



I think it's sadly another example of how often the stupid "leadership" card thrown out in football and sports is completely pointless. I don't question JoePa's legacy as a great coach or a guy who had profound influence on many of his players. I think he's probably still in general not a bad human being. But here's a guy that's been billed as a "leader" for forty years and yet, when an actual event that required someone to be a real leader, not a fucking football coach, he buckled and hid behind his legacy. It's sad.

SKO is Alec Baldwin?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 10, 2011, 04:49:14 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 10, 2011, 03:44:34 PM
her repressed, child-boogering husband

Now that would have probably crossed the line. Keep your nose fruit to yourself, Sandusky.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Quality Start Machine on November 10, 2011, 04:54:13 PM

Imagine how much different the tenor of this thread would of been if this were Tony LaRussa instead of Joe Paterno.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 10, 2011, 04:56:05 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 10, 2011, 04:54:13 PMwould of been
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CubFaninHydePark on November 10, 2011, 05:35:42 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 10, 2011, 11:02:24 AM

I fear it's too late to find out how deep this goes. If he was truly handing the more willing kids over to rich donors I hope the law finds out each and every one of their names and puts them in a hole in the ground.

There's a black hole and some operatives at Guantanamo or elsewhere overseas that could waterboard this son of a bitch just like they did to Kalikh Sheik al Mohammed. 

I'm pretty sure you'd find out everything he ever knew.  And I'm pretty sure that there isn't a CIA operative or Marine who wouldn't hesitate to do the same to a child molester as they do to terrorists.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Quality Start Machine on November 10, 2011, 06:03:05 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 10, 2011, 04:56:05 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 10, 2011, 04:54:13 PMwould of been

That was for the benefit of the HUEBITER.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BC on November 10, 2011, 07:23:57 PM
What was the name of Jerry Sandusky's autobiography, which was released in 2001?

"Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story"

No, I'm not making that up.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on November 10, 2011, 07:53:46 PM
Quote from: BC on November 10, 2011, 07:23:57 PM
What was the name of Jerry Sandusky's autobiography, which was released in 2001?

"Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story"

No, I'm not making that up.

First I'm hearing of this. Have you guys heard his book was called Touched??
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 10, 2011, 08:03:30 PM
Quote from: BC on November 10, 2011, 07:23:57 PM
What was the name of Jerry Sandusky's autobiography, which was released in 2001?

"Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story"

No, I'm not making that up.

(http://i.imgur.com/HlgRG.jpg)

http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-Sandusky-Story/product-reviews/1582613575/
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 10, 2011, 08:12:36 PM
I'm scanning through the Amazon preview. The forward and introduction alone are full of so much depressing irony it's stopped being even remotely funny.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: smg on November 10, 2011, 10:39:56 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 10, 2011, 10:12:20 AM
Quote from: PenPho on November 10, 2011, 10:11:26 AM
Oh, so you're a fucking mind reader?

I dabble.

Accurately.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 11, 2011, 12:18:54 AM
Quote from: smg on November 10, 2011, 10:39:56 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 10, 2011, 10:12:20 AM
Quote from: PenPho on November 10, 2011, 10:11:26 AM
Oh, so you're a fucking mind reader?

I dabble.

Accurately.

Try telling that to Chuck.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CubFaninHydePark on November 11, 2011, 01:05:08 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 10, 2011, 08:12:36 PM
I'm scanning through the Amazon preview. The forward and introduction alone are full of so much depressing irony it's stopped being even remotely funny.

I feel bad for Dick Vermeil. It can't feel good to have been duped into writing that.  Hopefully his daughter was safe growing up because she was a girl.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Richard Chuggar on November 11, 2011, 04:47:18 AM
Quote from: BC on November 10, 2011, 07:23:57 PM
What was the name of Jerry Sandusky's autobiography, which was released in 2001?

"Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story"

No, I'm not making that up.

Holy shit.  You should be a detective.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Quality Start Machine on November 11, 2011, 08:02:23 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 10, 2011, 08:12:36 PM
I'm scanning through the Amazon preview. The forward and introduction alone are full of so much depressing irony it's stopped being even remotely funny.

The reviews, however...
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on November 11, 2011, 08:10:11 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 10, 2011, 03:44:34 PM
I saw that and also saw, while reading the Grand Jury Report, that when shit was getting real that one of the victims was being phoned by among others, Sandusky himself as well as Sandusky's wife, which got me to wondering where does she fit into all this?  If she's calling on behalf of her repressed, child-boogering husband to stifle testimony, not only might that be considered tampering but might also imply that she knew what her husband was up to, which makes my mind bleed with near-explosive ruptures.  I suppose it's possible that Mrs. Sandusky's head was so far up her own ass that she felt her husband was being unfairly railroaded but--and while I won't try to underestimate the power of denial-- considering that this behavior very likely went on for decades, I'm really wondering how she didn't have an idea as to what was going on.  And if she did, fuck her too.

It really will be interesting to at least hear her side.  And I got into a discussion about the adopted an foster children with someone.  Their argument was that those kids should be left alone at all costs.  To me, I think this could be the break they have been waiting for IF Sandusky also abused them.

But beyond Sandusky, who would probably be better off painting his own face with buckshot, this really is fucked up that Paterno and the leadership at Penn State let Sandusky hang around for so damn long, have an office on campus, and continue to frequent the campus and was granted emritus status upon retirement.  Why is Sandusky so important that all those people would seemingly portect him?  That has to fall on Paterno, using "I did all I could according to the law" as a crutch.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on November 11, 2011, 08:26:23 AM
So everyone is supposed to wear blue to the game to support child abuse victims (which will be more support than they've ever received from Penn State football  in 40 years) and the school is endorsing that. Well on the Score they said the coaches are telling parents to wear white as a sign of support for Paterno. The source was TMZ so let's see how this plays out but if it's true? Holy shit.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on November 11, 2011, 08:37:38 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on November 11, 2011, 08:10:11 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 10, 2011, 03:44:34 PM
I saw that and also saw, while reading the Grand Jury Report, that when shit was getting real that one of the victims was being phoned by among others, Sandusky himself as well as Sandusky's wife, which got me to wondering where does she fit into all this?  If she's calling on behalf of her repressed, child-boogering husband to stifle testimony, not only might that be considered tampering but might also imply that she knew what her husband was up to, which makes my mind bleed with near-explosive ruptures.  I suppose it's possible that Mrs. Sandusky's head was so far up her own ass that she felt her husband was being unfairly railroaded but--and while I won't try to underestimate the power of denial-- considering that this behavior very likely went on for decades, I'm really wondering how she didn't have an idea as to what was going on.  And if she did, fuck her too.

It really will be interesting to at least hear her side.  And I got into a discussion about the adopted an foster children with someone.  Their argument was that those kids should be left alone at all costs.  To me, I think this could be the break they have been waiting for IF Sandusky also abused them.

But beyond Sandusky, who would probably be better off painting his own face with buckshot, this really is fucked up that Paterno and the leadership at Penn State let Sandusky hang around for so damn long, have an office on campus, and continue to frequent the campus and was granted emritus status upon retirement.  Why is Sandusky so important that all those people would seemingly portect him?  That has to fall on Paterno, using "I did all I could according to the law" as a crutch.

This is another reason why I wonder what else is in Paterno's closet. Put a simple way, how many times have we muttered: "What kind of photos of Dick Jauron does John Shoop/Greg Blache  have in his desk drawer?"  Bad playcalling and loyalty to people like Blache and Shoop (who are said to be good people, if flawed coordinators) is one thing. But was there a bit of blackmail involved?

Ron Felling was an assistant coach for the IU basketball team in the 1980s and 1990s. He actually was a head coaching legend at Lawrenceville, Ill. HS, where he won a ton of Class A titles somewhere in BC/Yeti Land. He got fired in the mid 80s for getting drunk at a team banquet and mooning the attendees.  Anyway, Knight hired him, and they got along fine until 1999, when Felling called Dan Dakich and complained about Knight to Dakich. Knight overheard the conversation, the two got into it and Knight fired him on the spot and they got into a physical altercation, for which Felling sued (and Knight settled for $25K).

Anyway, a few months later, CNN ran the "Bob Knight is the devil OMG he loses his temper and did you know he punched a cop in 1979? Look at him get rough with 20-year-olds who could kill him with their bare hands if they chose to" story, which included the tape from practice in which he struck/choked/murdered Neil Reed.

Who was the source of the tape? Ron Felling. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/college/news/2000/06/05/indiana_felling/)

Felling saved the tape for 2 years, waiting for an opportunity to use it.

Now, leaving feelings about Knight out of it (but say this: his explosive, violent temper was not news to anyone who liked him or hated him), it's apparent that Felling had something on Knight. When I was at IU, Felling was notorious for going to Nick's and unsuccessfully hitting on 21-year-old women. He was a bit of a creep, and I wouldn't doubt he crossed the line a few times, especially as he got drinky. I wonder  how his conversations with Knight went, and if this "Trump Card" issue was raised.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Quality Start Machine on November 11, 2011, 09:05:06 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 11, 2011, 08:26:23 AM
So everyone is supposed to wear blue to the game to support child abuse victims (which will be more support than they've ever received from Penn State football  in 40 years) and the school is endorsing that. Well on the Score they said the coaches are telling parents to wear white as a sign of support for Paterno. The source was TMZ so let's see how this plays out but if it's true? Holy shit.

So everyone at a Penn State game will be wearing blue and/or white? Won't they just be wearing all their usual shit?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on November 11, 2011, 09:10:29 AM
Quote from: Fork on November 11, 2011, 09:05:06 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 11, 2011, 08:26:23 AM
So everyone is supposed to wear blue to the game to support child abuse victims (which will be more support than they've ever received from Penn State football  in 40 years) and the school is endorsing that. Well on the Score they said the coaches are telling parents to wear white as a sign of support for Paterno. The source was TMZ so let's see how this plays out but if it's true? Holy shit.

So everyone at a Penn State game will be wearing blue and/or white? Won't they just be wearing all their usual shit?

See?  Supporting things is easy!
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on November 11, 2011, 09:16:20 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 11, 2011, 09:10:29 AM
Quote from: Fork on November 11, 2011, 09:05:06 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 11, 2011, 08:26:23 AM
So everyone is supposed to wear blue to the game to support child abuse victims (which will be more support than they've ever received from Penn State football  in 40 years) and the school is endorsing that. Well on the Score they said the coaches are telling parents to wear white as a sign of support for Paterno. The source was TMZ so let's see how this plays out but if it's true? Holy shit.

So everyone at a Penn State game will be wearing blue and/or white? Won't they just be wearing all their usual shit?

See?  Supporting things is easy!

I will be driving with my headlights on at night to support whatever needs to be supported.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: R-V on November 11, 2011, 09:19:04 AM
Well this is disappointing. Joe Posnanski, one of my favorite sportswriters, kindasorta defending JoePa. Apparently he's been working on a JoePa book for which he was paid some fat chedd (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/posnanski_still_in_the_game_with_9Exoqj3XZbL1MJZSvlcR9N).

http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/11/10/the-end-of-paterno/
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on November 11, 2011, 09:38:49 AM
Quote from: R-V on November 11, 2011, 09:19:04 AM
Well this is disappointing. Joe Posnanski, one of my favorite sportswriters, kindasorta defending JoePa. Apparently he's been working on a JoePa book for which he was paid some fat chedd (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/posnanski_still_in_the_game_with_9Exoqj3XZbL1MJZSvlcR9N).

http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/11/10/the-end-of-paterno/

You have a sizable advance to write another book about JoePa. Then, this happens, and you are around this thing every day. Don't you call up your publisher, ask for a second advance and junk the old premise of the book and work on a new one?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on November 11, 2011, 09:49:39 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 11, 2011, 09:38:49 AM
Quote from: R-V on November 11, 2011, 09:19:04 AM
Well this is disappointing. Joe Posnanski, one of my favorite sportswriters, kindasorta defending JoePa. Apparently he's been working on a JoePa book for which he was paid some fat chedd (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/posnanski_still_in_the_game_with_9Exoqj3XZbL1MJZSvlcR9N).

http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/11/10/the-end-of-paterno/

You have a sizable advance to write another book about JoePa. Then, this happens, and you are around this thing every day. Don't you call up your publisher, ask for a second advance and junk the old premise of the book and work on a new one?


LET THE MAN HAVE HIS DIGNITY TJ!
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 11, 2011, 10:57:13 AM
Quote from: R-V on November 11, 2011, 09:19:04 AM
Well this is disappointing. Joe Posnanski, one of my favorite sportswriters, kindasorta defending JoePa. Apparently he's been working on a JoePa book for which he was paid some fat chedd (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/posnanski_still_in_the_game_with_9Exoqj3XZbL1MJZSvlcR9N).

http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/11/10/the-end-of-paterno/

Posnanski can get fucked for this alone:

Quote3. We are in a top-you world where everyone is not only trying to report something faster but is also trying to report something ANGRIER. One guy wants Joe Paterno to resign, the next wants him to be fired, the next wants him to be fired this minute, the next wants him to be fired and arrested, the next wants him to be fired, arrested and jailed, on and on, until we've lost sight of who actually committed the crimes here.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on November 11, 2011, 11:01:51 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 11, 2011, 10:57:13 AM
Quote from: R-V on November 11, 2011, 09:19:04 AM
Well this is disappointing. Joe Posnanski, one of my favorite sportswriters, kindasorta defending JoePa. Apparently he's been working on a JoePa book for which he was paid some fat chedd (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/posnanski_still_in_the_game_with_9Exoqj3XZbL1MJZSvlcR9N).

http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/11/10/the-end-of-paterno/

Posnanski can get fucked for this alone:

Quote3. We are in a top-you world where everyone is not only trying to report something faster but is also trying to report something ANGRIER. One guy wants Joe Paterno to resign, the next wants him to be fired, the next wants him to be fired this minute, the next wants him to be fired and arrested, the next wants him to be fired, arrested and jailed, on and on, until we've lost sight of who actually committed the crimes here.

I read this last night and a small part of me wanted to say, "This is a smart, thoughtful man. I should take his words to heart because he's generally very well spoken on things." While I don't have any evidence of Joe Paterno actually saying the words "Hey, Boyfucker - why don't you just keep your office on campus here and continue making money while whoring out people's children to ass-hungry deviants with ludicrous sums of money and we'll just sweep this whole shower thing under the old Nittany Lion rug, mkaaay there, Jer?" - I can point to the fact that an accused child rapist, with Paterno's awareness, hung out WITH CHILDREN on his campus and around his team for years and years and years.

Don't tell me I'm trying to win an Angrier Than You contest like this is some kind of reverse Walter Sobchak.

I'm really disappointed in his column.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on November 11, 2011, 11:03:40 AM
Focusing on just the crime is why this society is fucking retarded. Laws are made by people. Some made many years ago.

There's a law called being a decent fucking human being. That's what's important here.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: PenPho on November 11, 2011, 11:16:00 AM
Not to cherry pick the Posnanski article, because I think there's unfortunately a lot of wrong in it, but this is where I might have the biggest disconnect.

In making a point about how he can't believe people who were positively affected by Paterno didn't come forward ("Shame on them", he says.)

Quote
It takes courage to stand behind someone you believe in when it's this bad outside. It takes courage to stand up for a man in peril, even if he stood up for you.

If you're going to tout courage as being an honorable and desirable trait, how can you not acknowledge the lack of "courage" (or, human fucking deceny) on Paterno's behalf?

It doesn't take a courage to defend Paterno, no matter how positive the impact he had on your life. It takes a person who is willing to overlook the enabling of most vile, horrific crimes possible and focus solely on the positive (which, presumably there is a good bit of.)

Well, guess what?
It doesn't fucking work that way.

It didn't for those kids.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Quality Start Machine on November 11, 2011, 11:23:25 AM

Maybe Posnanski needs to think about the fact that all those people who were positively affected by joe Paterno are now reflecting on how close they all were to being the boy in the shower.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on November 11, 2011, 11:45:15 AM
Why couldn't he have raped Curtis Enis?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Waco Kid on November 11, 2011, 11:49:04 AM
QuoteBut I think the way Joe Paterno has lived his life has earned him something more than instant fury, more than immediate assumptions of the worst, more than the happy cheers of critics who have always believed that there was something phony about the man and his ideals.

So I guess we just throw out the last thirteen years of Paterno's life? Because for more than 15% of Joe's life, he lived it willfully participating in an awful and shameless cover up. That's not an insignificant amount of time. Also, as it turns out he was phony with his ideals. Paterno's right to anything earned is long gone.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on November 11, 2011, 01:52:34 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on November 10, 2011, 02:35:08 PM
Guys, I didn't read the entire thread so I'm not sure if it's been mentioned here that Sandusky also had adopted children (8, maybe?) and was the caregiver for foster children in the past.  This stuff at Penn State may just be the tip of the iceberg.

And so it begins... (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/who_knew_what_about_jerry_sand.html)

QuoteThe earliest documented report of possible abuse at the hands of Sandusky is in 1995, when his now-legally adopted son was still a teenage foster child in his home.
   
The adoption file for Matt Sandusky, who had a different name at the time, contains letters of concern from his mother to children and youth officials and to a Centre County judge.
   
Matt's biological mother, Debra Long, testified before the grand jury.
   
Matt, 33, is not one of the victims in the grand jury presentment, but he did testify before the grand jury.
   
Sandusky's attorney, Joe Amendola, said Long is upset with Sandusky for helping her son and her allegations are not based in fact. Matt went to live with the Sandusky family after he was caught setting fire to a barn in 1995.
   
Children and Youth Services placed him with the Sandusky family at Jerry Sandusky's request. He knew Matt through The Second Mile.
   
In his book, "Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story" several pages are devoted to Matt.
   
"He became an instant challenge for me," Sandusky writes.
   
Debra Long was allowed to visit her son only one-half day per month after he went to live with the Sanduskys.
   
About four months after he went to live with Jerry, Matt attempted suicide with a girl who was also staying at Sandusky's house.
   
"The probation department has some serious concerns about the juvenile's safety and his current progress in placement with the Sandusky family," wrote Terry L. Trude, a school-based probation officer, days after the suicide attempt.
   
The letter, addressed to Centre County Judge David Grine, also said Long was concerned about Matt's safety and mental condition, and asked that Matt go to a different foster family.
   
Trude finally recommended that Matt's placement in the Sandusky house be reviewed within two months.
   
The night of the suicide attempt, Matt wrote a letter to the probation officer dealing with his case.
   
It read, in part: "I would like to be placed back with the Sanduskys. I feel that they have supported me even when I have messed up. They are a loving caring group of people. I love both my biological family and the Sandusky family."
   
The day Jerry Sandusky was arrested, Matt brought his kids over to Jerry's house. The mother of Matt's children almost immediately went to court to prevent future visits. A judge's order now prevents Sandusky from having unsupervised contact or overnight visits with his grandchildren.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on November 11, 2011, 03:04:22 PM
Another thing that's peculiar about Sandusky and Paterno is this--looking at the timeline of events (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16049259/key-dates-in-penn-state-sex-abuse-case), the infamous 1998 fiasco that ended up in pretty much nothing is closely followed by Sandusky's retirement in 1999.  In that season, and at the time of his decision, I think I remember reading or hearing that PSU was 9-0 or had just lost a pivotal game.

Shortly afterward, Paterno informed Sandusky that Sandusky would not be in line to serve as Paterno's successor at PSU.  Yada yada, Sandusky retires but is granted emeritus status at the university (I won't tell if you don't!).  The scuttlebut was that Sandusky, 55 at the time, was at the prime of his career and was sought after by several other schools for their head coaching jobs.    So he can't have the PSU job and retires?  At 55?  In his prime?  Instead, this reeks of Paterno protecting Sandusky by sheltering him under the PSU umbrella.

The dot connecting...it's fun.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on November 11, 2011, 03:36:13 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on November 11, 2011, 03:04:22 PM
Another thing that's peculiar about Sandusky and Paterno is this--looking at the timeline of events (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16049259/key-dates-in-penn-state-sex-abuse-case), the infamous 1998 fiasco that ended up in pretty much nothing is closely followed by Sandusky's retirement in 1999.  In that season, and at the time of his decision, I think I remember reading or hearing that PSU was 9-0 or had just lost a pivotal game.

Shortly afterward, Paterno informed Sandusky that Sandusky would not be in line to serve as Paterno's successor at PSU.  Yada yada, Sandusky retires but is granted emeritus status at the university (I won't tell if you don't!).  The scuttlebut was that Sandusky, 55 at the time, was at the prime of his career and was sought after by several other schools for their head coaching jobs.    So he can't have the PSU job and retires?  At 55?  In his prime?  Instead, this reeks of Paterno protecting Sandusky by sheltering him under the PSU umbrella.

The dot connecting...it's fun.

Sandusky was told he wouldn't be the next coach at Penn State in the spring of 1999, and shortly thereafter announced his retirement at the end of the 1999 season. That Penn State team was a legit national championship contender, starting 9-0 and then losing to Minnesota, Ohio State and Michigan State to end the season before pitching a shutout in San Antonio.

Here's what's interesting: Sandusky had an opportunity: at UVA. He actually had his coordinators picked out and everything (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=7tNRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=d28DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5661,4278260&dq=jerry-sandusky+virginia+head-coach&hl=en) when either talks collapsed a la McCaskey-McGinnis 1999, or someone called UVA and told them why Sandusky might not be such an inspired choice.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Waco Kid on November 11, 2011, 03:41:11 PM
http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/penn-st-nittany-lions/2011/11/11/2555042/jerry-sandusky-recruit-penn-state-scandal (http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/penn-st-nittany-lions/2011/11/11/2555042/jerry-sandusky-recruit-penn-state-scandal)

Sandusky was visiting recruits as recently as this year.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: PenPho on November 11, 2011, 03:48:39 PM
Quote from: Brownie on November 11, 2011, 03:36:13 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on November 11, 2011, 03:04:22 PM
Another thing that's peculiar about Sandusky and Paterno is this--looking at the timeline of events (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16049259/key-dates-in-penn-state-sex-abuse-case), the infamous 1998 fiasco that ended up in pretty much nothing is closely followed by Sandusky's retirement in 1999.  In that season, and at the time of his decision, I think I remember reading or hearing that PSU was 9-0 or had just lost a pivotal game.

Shortly afterward, Paterno informed Sandusky that Sandusky would not be in line to serve as Paterno's successor at PSU.  Yada yada, Sandusky retires but is granted emeritus status at the university (I won't tell if you don't!).  The scuttlebut was that Sandusky, 55 at the time, was at the prime of his career and was sought after by several other schools for their head coaching jobs.    So he can't have the PSU job and retires?  At 55?  In his prime?  Instead, this reeks of Paterno protecting Sandusky by sheltering him under the PSU umbrella.

The dot connecting...it's fun.

Sandusky was told he wouldn't be the next coach at Penn State in the spring of 1999, and shortly thereafter announced his retirement at the end of the 1999 season. That Penn State team was a legit national championship contender, starting 9-0 and then losing to Minnesota, Ohio State and Michigan State to end the season before pitching a shutout in San Antonio.

Here's what's interesting: Sandusky had an opportunity: at UVA. He actually had his coordinators picked out and everything (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=7tNRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=d28DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5661,4278260&dq=jerry-sandusky+virginia+head-coach&hl=en) when either talks collapsed a la McCaskey-McGinnis 1999, or someone called UVA and told them why Sandusky might not be such an inspired choice.

THIS part feels true.  
Paterno? Someone else from PSU?

We'll likely never know, but invariably someone who knew enough to know Sandusky shouldn't be coaching, but also thought it was fine to give him more time to rape children.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on November 11, 2011, 03:57:33 PM
Quote from: PenPho on November 11, 2011, 03:48:39 PM
Quote from: Brownie on November 11, 2011, 03:36:13 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on November 11, 2011, 03:04:22 PM
Another thing that's peculiar about Sandusky and Paterno is this--looking at the timeline of events (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16049259/key-dates-in-penn-state-sex-abuse-case), the infamous 1998 fiasco that ended up in pretty much nothing is closely followed by Sandusky's retirement in 1999.  In that season, and at the time of his decision, I think I remember reading or hearing that PSU was 9-0 or had just lost a pivotal game.

Shortly afterward, Paterno informed Sandusky that Sandusky would not be in line to serve as Paterno's successor at PSU.  Yada yada, Sandusky retires but is granted emeritus status at the university (I won't tell if you don't!).  The scuttlebut was that Sandusky, 55 at the time, was at the prime of his career and was sought after by several other schools for their head coaching jobs.    So he can't have the PSU job and retires?  At 55?  In his prime?  Instead, this reeks of Paterno protecting Sandusky by sheltering him under the PSU umbrella.

The dot connecting...it's fun.

Sandusky was told he wouldn't be the next coach at Penn State in the spring of 1999, and shortly thereafter announced his retirement at the end of the 1999 season. That Penn State team was a legit national championship contender, starting 9-0 and then losing to Minnesota, Ohio State and Michigan State to end the season before pitching a shutout in San Antonio.

Here's what's interesting: Sandusky had an opportunity: at UVA. He actually had his coordinators picked out and everything (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=7tNRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=d28DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5661,4278260&dq=jerry-sandusky+virginia+head-coach&hl=en) when either talks collapsed a la McCaskey-McGinnis 1999, or someone called UVA and told them why Sandusky might not be such an inspired choice.

THIS part feels true.  
Paterno? Someone else from PSU?

We'll likely never know, but invariably someone who knew enough to know Sandusky shouldn't be coaching, but also thought it was fine to give him more time to rape children.

It's like they just assumed if they asked him to stop raping kids he probably would.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Tinker to Evers to Chance on November 11, 2011, 04:05:19 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 11, 2011, 03:57:33 PM
Quote from: PenPho on November 11, 2011, 03:48:39 PM
Quote from: Brownie on November 11, 2011, 03:36:13 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on November 11, 2011, 03:04:22 PM
Another thing that's peculiar about Sandusky and Paterno is this--looking at the timeline of events (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16049259/key-dates-in-penn-state-sex-abuse-case), the infamous 1998 fiasco that ended up in pretty much nothing is closely followed by Sandusky's retirement in 1999.  In that season, and at the time of his decision, I think I remember reading or hearing that PSU was 9-0 or had just lost a pivotal game.

Shortly afterward, Paterno informed Sandusky that Sandusky would not be in line to serve as Paterno's successor at PSU.  Yada yada, Sandusky retires but is granted emeritus status at the university (I won't tell if you don't!).  The scuttlebut was that Sandusky, 55 at the time, was at the prime of his career and was sought after by several other schools for their head coaching jobs.    So he can't have the PSU job and retires?  At 55?  In his prime?  Instead, this reeks of Paterno protecting Sandusky by sheltering him under the PSU umbrella.

The dot connecting...it's fun.

Sandusky was told he wouldn't be the next coach at Penn State in the spring of 1999, and shortly thereafter announced his retirement at the end of the 1999 season. That Penn State team was a legit national championship contender, starting 9-0 and then losing to Minnesota, Ohio State and Michigan State to end the season before pitching a shutout in San Antonio.

Here's what's interesting: Sandusky had an opportunity: at UVA. He actually had his coordinators picked out and everything (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=7tNRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=d28DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5661,4278260&dq=jerry-sandusky+virginia+head-coach&hl=en) when either talks collapsed a la McCaskey-McGinnis 1999, or someone called UVA and told them why Sandusky might not be such an inspired choice.

THIS part feels true.  
Paterno? Someone else from PSU?

We'll likely never know, but invariably someone who knew enough to know Sandusky shouldn't be coaching, but also thought it was fine to give him more time to rape children.

It's like they just assumed if they asked him to stop raping kids he probably would.

Well, they didn't ask him to stop raping kids.  They just asked him to stop raping kids in their facilities.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on November 11, 2011, 04:06:48 PM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on November 11, 2011, 04:05:19 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 11, 2011, 03:57:33 PM
Quote from: PenPho on November 11, 2011, 03:48:39 PM
Quote from: Brownie on November 11, 2011, 03:36:13 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on November 11, 2011, 03:04:22 PM
Another thing that's peculiar about Sandusky and Paterno is this--looking at the timeline of events (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16049259/key-dates-in-penn-state-sex-abuse-case), the infamous 1998 fiasco that ended up in pretty much nothing is closely followed by Sandusky's retirement in 1999.  In that season, and at the time of his decision, I think I remember reading or hearing that PSU was 9-0 or had just lost a pivotal game.

Shortly afterward, Paterno informed Sandusky that Sandusky would not be in line to serve as Paterno's successor at PSU.  Yada yada, Sandusky retires but is granted emeritus status at the university (I won't tell if you don't!).  The scuttlebut was that Sandusky, 55 at the time, was at the prime of his career and was sought after by several other schools for their head coaching jobs.    So he can't have the PSU job and retires?  At 55?  In his prime?  Instead, this reeks of Paterno protecting Sandusky by sheltering him under the PSU umbrella.

The dot connecting...it's fun.

Sandusky was told he wouldn't be the next coach at Penn State in the spring of 1999, and shortly thereafter announced his retirement at the end of the 1999 season. That Penn State team was a legit national championship contender, starting 9-0 and then losing to Minnesota, Ohio State and Michigan State to end the season before pitching a shutout in San Antonio.

Here's what's interesting: Sandusky had an opportunity: at UVA. He actually had his coordinators picked out and everything (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=7tNRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=d28DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5661,4278260&dq=jerry-sandusky+virginia+head-coach&hl=en) when either talks collapsed a la McCaskey-McGinnis 1999, or someone called UVA and told them why Sandusky might not be such an inspired choice.

THIS part feels true.  
Paterno? Someone else from PSU?

We'll likely never know, but invariably someone who knew enough to know Sandusky shouldn't be coaching, but also thought it was fine to give him more time to rape children.

It's like they just assumed if they asked him to stop raping kids he probably would.

Well, they didn't ask him to stop raping kids.  They just asked him to stop raping kids in their facilities.

And it totally worked.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: PenPho on November 11, 2011, 04:09:39 PM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on November 11, 2011, 04:05:19 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 11, 2011, 03:57:33 PM
Quote from: PenPho on November 11, 2011, 03:48:39 PM
Quote from: Brownie on November 11, 2011, 03:36:13 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on November 11, 2011, 03:04:22 PM
Another thing that's peculiar about Sandusky and Paterno is this--looking at the timeline of events (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16049259/key-dates-in-penn-state-sex-abuse-case), the infamous 1998 fiasco that ended up in pretty much nothing is closely followed by Sandusky's retirement in 1999.  In that season, and at the time of his decision, I think I remember reading or hearing that PSU was 9-0 or had just lost a pivotal game.

Shortly afterward, Paterno informed Sandusky that Sandusky would not be in line to serve as Paterno's successor at PSU.  Yada yada, Sandusky retires but is granted emeritus status at the university (I won't tell if you don't!).  The scuttlebut was that Sandusky, 55 at the time, was at the prime of his career and was sought after by several other schools for their head coaching jobs.    So he can't have the PSU job and retires?  At 55?  In his prime?  Instead, this reeks of Paterno protecting Sandusky by sheltering him under the PSU umbrella.

The dot connecting...it's fun.

Sandusky was told he wouldn't be the next coach at Penn State in the spring of 1999, and shortly thereafter announced his retirement at the end of the 1999 season. That Penn State team was a legit national championship contender, starting 9-0 and then losing to Minnesota, Ohio State and Michigan State to end the season before pitching a shutout in San Antonio.

Here's what's interesting: Sandusky had an opportunity: at UVA. He actually had his coordinators picked out and everything (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=7tNRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=d28DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5661,4278260&dq=jerry-sandusky+virginia+head-coach&hl=en) when either talks collapsed a la McCaskey-McGinnis 1999, or someone called UVA and told them why Sandusky might not be such an inspired choice.

THIS part feels true.  
Paterno? Someone else from PSU?

We'll likely never know, but invariably someone who knew enough to know Sandusky shouldn't be coaching, but also thought it was fine to give him more time to rape children.

It's like they just assumed if they asked him to stop raping kids he probably would.

Well, they didn't ask him to stop raping kids.  They just asked him to stop raping kids in their facilities.

In fact, why don't you take this office and this parking space here to not rape kids in?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 11, 2011, 04:48:07 PM
Quote from: Brownie on November 11, 2011, 03:36:13 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on November 11, 2011, 03:04:22 PM
Another thing that's peculiar about Sandusky and Paterno is this--looking at the timeline of events (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16049259/key-dates-in-penn-state-sex-abuse-case), the infamous 1998 fiasco that ended up in pretty much nothing is closely followed by Sandusky's retirement in 1999.  In that season, and at the time of his decision, I think I remember reading or hearing that PSU was 9-0 or had just lost a pivotal game.

Shortly afterward, Paterno informed Sandusky that Sandusky would not be in line to serve as Paterno's successor at PSU.  Yada yada, Sandusky retires but is granted emeritus status at the university (I won't tell if you don't!).  The scuttlebut was that Sandusky, 55 at the time, was at the prime of his career and was sought after by several other schools for their head coaching jobs.    So he can't have the PSU job and retires?  At 55?  In his prime?  Instead, this reeks of Paterno protecting Sandusky by sheltering him under the PSU umbrella.

The dot connecting...it's fun.

Sandusky was told he wouldn't be the next coach at Penn State in the spring of 1999, and shortly thereafter announced his retirement at the end of the 1999 season. That Penn State team was a legit national championship contender, starting 9-0 and then losing to Minnesota, Ohio State and Michigan State to end the season before pitching a shutout in San Antonio.

Here's what's interesting: Sandusky had an opportunity: at UVA. He actually had his coordinators picked out and everything (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=7tNRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=d28DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5661,4278260&dq=jerry-sandusky+virginia+head-coach&hl=en) when either talks collapsed a la McCaskey-McGinnis 1999, or someone called UVA and told them why Sandusky might not be such an inspired choice.

Then there's the timing of the 2002 incident.

A couple years later, in 2004, Paterno would find himself given the full-court press towards retirement. (The NYT says he was visited at his home on two separate occasions by members of the Board of Trustees, plus Graham Spanier and, notably, Tim Curley.)

Is it totally outside the realm of possibility that at the beginning of 2002, on the heels of back-to-back losing seasons (5-7 and 5-6, only the second and third losing seasons in his tenure and the first since 1988), Paterno was already feeling some heat from the powers that be, who he might have feared could be looking for any pretext to show his 75-year-old ass the door?

And that perhaps the incident that McQueary witnessed in the Penn State showers in March of that year might have thus come as some rather ill-timed news?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on November 11, 2011, 05:37:42 PM
So when does Sandusky just come out and say that his dad raped him like 14,000 times?  The only way he doesn't wind up as a peg boy for the last 20 years of his life is if he claims that he was massively abused as a child, no?  Probably wouldn't even work but, besides suicide,  there's nothing that this guy can do to avoid the fate that most certainly--and justifiably--awaits him.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on November 11, 2011, 05:40:22 PM
Quote from: PenPho on November 11, 2011, 04:09:39 PM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on November 11, 2011, 04:05:19 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 11, 2011, 03:57:33 PM
Quote from: PenPho on November 11, 2011, 03:48:39 PM
Quote from: Brownie on November 11, 2011, 03:36:13 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on November 11, 2011, 03:04:22 PM
Another thing that's peculiar about Sandusky and Paterno is this--looking at the timeline of events (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16049259/key-dates-in-penn-state-sex-abuse-case), the infamous 1998 fiasco that ended up in pretty much nothing is closely followed by Sandusky's retirement in 1999.  In that season, and at the time of his decision, I think I remember reading or hearing that PSU was 9-0 or had just lost a pivotal game.

Shortly afterward, Paterno informed Sandusky that Sandusky would not be in line to serve as Paterno's successor at PSU.  Yada yada, Sandusky retires but is granted emeritus status at the university (I won't tell if you don't!).  The scuttlebut was that Sandusky, 55 at the time, was at the prime of his career and was sought after by several other schools for their head coaching jobs.    So he can't have the PSU job and retires?  At 55?  In his prime?  Instead, this reeks of Paterno protecting Sandusky by sheltering him under the PSU umbrella.

The dot connecting...it's fun.

Sandusky was told he wouldn't be the next coach at Penn State in the spring of 1999, and shortly thereafter announced his retirement at the end of the 1999 season. That Penn State team was a legit national championship contender, starting 9-0 and then losing to Minnesota, Ohio State and Michigan State to end the season before pitching a shutout in San Antonio.

Here's what's interesting: Sandusky had an opportunity: at UVA. He actually had his coordinators picked out and everything (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=7tNRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=d28DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5661,4278260&dq=jerry-sandusky+virginia+head-coach&hl=en) when either talks collapsed a la McCaskey-McGinnis 1999, or someone called UVA and told them why Sandusky might not be such an inspired choice.

THIS part feels true.  
Paterno? Someone else from PSU?

We'll likely never know, but invariably someone who knew enough to know Sandusky shouldn't be coaching, but also thought it was fine to give him more time to rape children.

It's like they just assumed if they asked him to stop raping kids he probably would.

Well, they didn't ask him to stop raping kids.  They just asked him to stop raping kids in their facilities.

In fact, why don't you take this office and this parking space here to not rape kids in?

I'm laughing out loud, but this whole point remains the undeniable example of why Paterno gets no quarter in this affair.  It's one thing to supprress this case--that's bad enough.  But Paterno in effect helped foster future abuse by setting him up the way he did.  Is it too much of a stretch to put culpability on this 4-eyed fuck for every subsequent assault that may have occurred after 2002 (or, really, 1998)?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on November 11, 2011, 05:43:41 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 11, 2011, 05:37:42 PM
So when does Sandusky just come out and say that his dad raped him like 14,000 times?  The only way he doesn't wind up as a peg boy for the last 20 years of his life is if he claims that he was massively abused as a child, no?  Probably wouldn't even work but, besides suicide,  there's nothing that this guy can do to avoid the fate that most certainly--and justifiably--awaits him.

I think suicide is in the cards for this guy. I really do.

Unfortunately this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaphism) is no longer used, damn you Constitution!

QuoteThe intended victim was stripped naked and then firmly fastened within a face-to-face pair of narrow rowing boats (or hollowed-out tree trunks), with the head, hands and feet protruding. The condemned was forced to ingest milk and honey to the point of developing severe diarrhea, and more honey would be rubbed on his body to attract insects to the exposed appendages. He would then be left to float on a stagnant pond or be exposed to the sun. The defenseless individual's feces accumulated within the container, attracting more insects, which would eat and breed within his exposed flesh, which—pursuant to interruption of the blood supply by burrowing insects—became increasingly gangrenous. The feeding would be repeated each day in some cases to prolong the torture, so that dehydration or starvation did not kill him. Death, when it eventually occurred, was probably due to a combination of dehydration, starvation and septic shock. Delirium would typically set in after a few days.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on November 11, 2011, 06:31:34 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on November 11, 2011, 03:41:11 PM
http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/penn-st-nittany-lions/2011/11/11/2555042/jerry-sandusky-recruit-penn-state-scandal (http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/penn-st-nittany-lions/2011/11/11/2555042/jerry-sandusky-recruit-penn-state-scandal)

Sandusky was visiting recruits as recently as this year.

I don't want this to be glossed over.

http://www.wyff4.com/news/29738465/detail.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

The guy was still visiting high school kids, apparently in an official capacity for Penn State THIS YEAR.

What's the justification?  That they're out of his age range?  THEY BANNED THE MAN FROM CAMPUS FOR MISCONDUCT BUT STILL SENT HIM ON RECRUITING TRIPS?!?

Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Tony on November 11, 2011, 06:50:27 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 11, 2011, 06:31:34 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on November 11, 2011, 03:41:11 PM
http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/penn-st-nittany-lions/2011/11/11/2555042/jerry-sandusky-recruit-penn-state-scandal (http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/penn-st-nittany-lions/2011/11/11/2555042/jerry-sandusky-recruit-penn-state-scandal)

Sandusky was visiting recruits as recently as this year.

I don't want this to be glossed over.

http://www.wyff4.com/news/29738465/detail.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

The guy was still visiting high school kids, apparently in an official capacity for Penn State THIS YEAR.

What's the justification?  That they're out of his age range?  THEY BANNED THE MAN FROM CAMPUS FOR MISCONDUCT BUT STILL SENT HIM ON RECRUITING TRIPS?!?



This might be enough of a football connection for the NCAA to drop the bomb on the program.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Tony on November 11, 2011, 06:58:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 11, 2011, 05:43:41 PM

I think suicide is in the cards for this guy. I really do.


DPD. Wasn't there a section of the grand jury report where he said he wished he was dead after someone confronted him? Or am I imagining that? It was hard to read because I bleached my eyes after the first few pages.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 11, 2011, 07:00:54 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 11, 2011, 06:58:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 11, 2011, 05:43:41 PM

I think suicide is in the cards for this guy. I really do.


DPD. Wasn't there a section of the grand jury report where he said he wished he was dead after someone confronted him? Or am I imagining that? It was hard to read because I bleached my eyes after the first few pages.

IIRC, I think that was from the apologies he made over the phone with the mom of the kid he naked boner bearhugged in the shower in the 1998 incident.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Tinker to Evers to Chance on November 11, 2011, 07:16:57 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 11, 2011, 06:31:34 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on November 11, 2011, 03:41:11 PM
http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/penn-st-nittany-lions/2011/11/11/2555042/jerry-sandusky-recruit-penn-state-scandal (http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/penn-st-nittany-lions/2011/11/11/2555042/jerry-sandusky-recruit-penn-state-scandal)

Sandusky was visiting recruits as recently as this year.

I don't want this to be glossed over.

http://www.wyff4.com/news/29738465/detail.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

The guy was still visiting high school kids, apparently in an official capacity for Penn State THIS YEAR.

What's the justification?  That they're out of his age range?  THEY BANNED THE MAN FROM CAMPUS FOR MISCONDUCT BUT STILL SENT HIM ON RECRUITING TRIPS?!?



Let's not rush ton judgement here.

Maybe the recruiting coordinator (http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/mcqueary_mike00.html) didn't know about Sandusky's issues.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 11, 2011, 08:09:14 PM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on November 11, 2011, 07:16:57 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 11, 2011, 06:31:34 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on November 11, 2011, 03:41:11 PM
http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/penn-st-nittany-lions/2011/11/11/2555042/jerry-sandusky-recruit-penn-state-scandal (http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/penn-st-nittany-lions/2011/11/11/2555042/jerry-sandusky-recruit-penn-state-scandal)

Sandusky was visiting recruits as recently as this year.

I don't want this to be glossed over.

http://www.wyff4.com/news/29738465/detail.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

The guy was still visiting high school kids, apparently in an official capacity for Penn State THIS YEAR.

What's the justification?  That they're out of his age range?  THEY BANNED THE MAN FROM CAMPUS FOR MISCONDUCT BUT STILL SENT HIM ON RECRUITING TRIPS?!?



Let's not rush ton judgement here.

Maybe the recruiting coordinator (http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/mcqueary_mike00.html) didn't know about Sandusky's issues.

Holy shit. Can we finally get to the fucking punchline of this joke already?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on November 11, 2011, 08:10:52 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 11, 2011, 08:09:14 PM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on November 11, 2011, 07:16:57 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 11, 2011, 06:31:34 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on November 11, 2011, 03:41:11 PM
http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/penn-st-nittany-lions/2011/11/11/2555042/jerry-sandusky-recruit-penn-state-scandal (http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/penn-st-nittany-lions/2011/11/11/2555042/jerry-sandusky-recruit-penn-state-scandal)

Sandusky was visiting recruits as recently as this year.

I don't want this to be glossed over.

http://www.wyff4.com/news/29738465/detail.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

The guy was still visiting high school kids, apparently in an official capacity for Penn State THIS YEAR.

What's the justification?  That they're out of his age range?  THEY BANNED THE MAN FROM CAMPUS FOR MISCONDUCT BUT STILL SENT HIM ON RECRUITING TRIPS?!?



Let's not rush ton judgement here.

Maybe the recruiting coordinator (http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/mcqueary_mike00.html) didn't know about Sandusky's issues.

Holy shit.

I...I...for fuck's sake.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on November 11, 2011, 08:30:23 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 11, 2011, 08:10:52 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 11, 2011, 08:09:14 PM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on November 11, 2011, 07:16:57 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 11, 2011, 06:31:34 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on November 11, 2011, 03:41:11 PM
http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/penn-st-nittany-lions/2011/11/11/2555042/jerry-sandusky-recruit-penn-state-scandal (http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/penn-st-nittany-lions/2011/11/11/2555042/jerry-sandusky-recruit-penn-state-scandal)

Sandusky was visiting recruits as recently as this year.

I don't want this to be glossed over.

http://www.wyff4.com/news/29738465/detail.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

The guy was still visiting high school kids, apparently in an official capacity for Penn State THIS YEAR.

What's the justification?  That they're out of his age range?  THEY BANNED THE MAN FROM CAMPUS FOR MISCONDUCT BUT STILL SENT HIM ON RECRUITING TRIPS?!?



Let's not rush ton judgement here.

Maybe the recruiting coordinator (http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/mcqueary_mike00.html) didn't know about Sandusky's issues.

Holy shit.

I...I...for fuck's sake.

May not be true (https://twitter.com/#!/ben_jones88/status/135110471186513921), but the kid is sticking to his story so far.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on November 11, 2011, 09:04:54 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 11, 2011, 07:00:54 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 11, 2011, 06:58:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 11, 2011, 05:43:41 PM

I think suicide is in the cards for this guy. I really do.


DPD. Wasn't there a section of the grand jury report where he said he wished he was dead after someone confronted him? Or am I imagining that? It was hard to read because I bleached my eyes after the first few pages.

IIRC, I think that was from the apologies he made over the phone with the mom of the kid he naked boner bearhugged in the shower in the 1998 incident.

13 years ago, meaning there were kids who hadn't even been born at this time who would grow to be eligible to be one of his victims.  10 seems to be the age for this guy.  10 year olds, dude.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on November 11, 2011, 09:08:43 PM
DPD.

Any truth to the rumor that the reason Mike McQueary bowed out of tomorrow's tilt because of threats to his life by Paterno supporters?  I had assumed all along that it was because of threats from victims' rights advocates but now I'm hearing differently. 
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Armchair_QB on November 11, 2011, 09:47:42 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 11, 2011, 09:08:43 PM
DPD.

Any truth to the rumor that the reason Mike McQueary bowed out of tomorrow's tilt because of threats to his life by Paterno supporters?  I had assumed all along that it was because of threats from victims' rights advocates but now I'm hearing differently. 

I'm guessing it's a little bit of both groups.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 12, 2011, 09:55:02 AM
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-11-11/news/bal-sportsblitz-gerry-sandusky-and-jerry-sandusky1109_1_gerry-sandusky-abuse-scandal-jerry-sandusky

QuoteGerry Sandusky has never met Jerry Sandusky. There is no relation. The sports director for WBAL and the radio voice of the Ravens has only been in State College, Pa., once in his life, and that was 24 years ago.

...

"What I have discovered is that there is this parallel universe of people who have the same name but no relationship to people who have committed or been alleged of committing heinous crimes," he said. "Somewhere there is a plumber named Bernie Madoff. Somewhere there is a salesman named Ken Lay. And somewhere there is a truck driver named Charles Manson. And they've had to live with this.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Tony on November 12, 2011, 10:39:09 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 12, 2011, 09:55:02 AM
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-11-11/news/bal-sportsblitz-gerry-sandusky-and-jerry-sandusky1109_1_gerry-sandusky-abuse-scandal-jerry-sandusky

QuoteGerry Sandusky has never met Jerry Sandusky. There is no relation. The sports director for WBAL and the radio voice of the Ravens has only been in State College, Pa., once in his life, and that was 24 years ago.

...

"What I have discovered is that there is this parallel universe of people who have the same name but no relationship to people who have committed or been alleged of committing heinous crimes," he said. "Somewhere there is a plumber named Bernie Madoff. Somewhere there is a salesman named Ken Lay. And somewhere there is a truck driver named Charles Manson. And they've had to live with this.

Why should I change? He's the one who sucks.

(http://www.mediabistro.com/prnewser/files/original/url.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Armchair_QB on November 12, 2011, 12:24:22 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 12, 2011, 10:39:09 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 12, 2011, 09:55:02 AM
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-11-11/news/bal-sportsblitz-gerry-sandusky-and-jerry-sandusky1109_1_gerry-sandusky-abuse-scandal-jerry-sandusky

QuoteGerry Sandusky has never met Jerry Sandusky. There is no relation. The sports director for WBAL and the radio voice of the Ravens has only been in State College, Pa., once in his life, and that was 24 years ago.

...

"What I have discovered is that there is this parallel universe of people who have the same name but no relationship to people who have committed or been alleged of committing heinous crimes," he said. "Somewhere there is a plumber named Bernie Madoff. Somewhere there is a salesman named Ken Lay. And somewhere there is a truck driver named Charles Manson. And they've had to live with this.

Why should I change? He's the one who sucks.

(http://www.mediabistro.com/prnewser/files/original/url.jpg)

Uh...

Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: flannj on November 12, 2011, 02:52:45 PM
(http://www.umich.edu/~info/images/placeholder_lifeAtMichigan.png)
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: SKO on November 12, 2011, 03:48:03 PM
I watched it happen, and yet I now have no idea how the fuck Illinois managed to get to six wins this year. Worst. Bowl season. Ever.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on November 12, 2011, 04:08:14 PM
???

http://www.ridethepine.com/sports/college-sports/penn-state-fans-kneeling-prayer-paterno-home/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=penn-state-fans-kneeling-prayer-paterno-home
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: flannj on November 12, 2011, 04:21:20 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 12, 2011, 03:48:03 PM
I watched it happen, and yet I now have no idea how the fuck Illinois managed to get to six wins this year. Worst. Bowl season. Ever.

Given the way the last 10 minutes of the 1st. half was played this game should end up a tie.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 12, 2011, 05:00:36 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 12, 2011, 04:08:14 PM
???

http://www.ridethepine.com/sports/college-sports/penn-state-fans-kneeling-prayer-paterno-home/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=penn-state-fans-kneeling-prayer-paterno-home

Maybe they're praying for JoePa's soul.

Or maybe they're just making a video to send in to Tosh.0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYSRiz52exk):

QuoteEveryone is Tebowing these days, but I don't think they understand what it really means. When you drop down and pray like him, it should be after you've done something awful. Because that's what Tim Tebow represents: being awful.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CubFaninHydePark on November 12, 2011, 06:54:34 PM
Does anyone else appreciate that Western Kentucky has scored one more TD on LSU than the constantly-fellated Alabama program?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BC on November 12, 2011, 08:13:44 PM
Zook deserves a pink slip after the last 4 games.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Quality Start Machine on November 13, 2011, 08:00:57 AM
Quote from: BC on November 12, 2011, 08:13:44 PM
Zook deserves a pink slip after the last 4 games.

Did you register hirejoepaterno.com yet?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on November 14, 2011, 09:14:21 AM
Jerry Sandusky walks free, going home each night to his house next to an elementary school. His bond was unsecured, meaning he posted no bail.

The judge? A Second Mile volunteer!  (http://deadspin.com/5859075/judge-who-set-unsecured-bail-for-jerry-sandusky-is-a-second-mile-volunteer)

Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Internet Apex on November 14, 2011, 09:22:17 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 11, 2011, 10:57:13 AM
Quote from: R-V on November 11, 2011, 09:19:04 AM
Well this is disappointing. Joe Posnanski, one of my favorite sportswriters, kindasorta defending JoePa. Apparently he's been working on a JoePa book for which he was paid some fat chedd (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/posnanski_still_in_the_game_with_9Exoqj3XZbL1MJZSvlcR9N).

http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/11/10/the-end-of-paterno/

Posnanski can get fucked for this alone:

Quote3. We are in a top-you world where everyone is not only trying to report something faster but is also trying to report something ANGRIER. One guy wants Joe Paterno to resign, the next wants him to be fired, the next wants him to be fired this minute, the next wants him to be fired and arrested, the next wants him to be fired, arrested and jailed, on and on, until we've lost sight of who actually committed the crimes here.

(||)
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on November 14, 2011, 09:34:56 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 14, 2011, 09:14:21 AM
Jerry Sandusky walks free, going home each night to his house next to an elementary school. His bond was unsecured, meaning he posted no bail.

The judge? A Second Mile volunteer!  (http://deadspin.com/5859075/judge-who-set-unsecured-bail-for-jerry-sandusky-is-a-second-mile-volunteer)



Every single day something disgusting is going to come out. Today, the CEO of Second Mile resigned.

Awesome.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on November 14, 2011, 10:00:45 AM
At this point, I just hope Sandusky can hold off on eating a bullet until after New Years.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 14, 2011, 10:14:20 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2011, 10:00:45 AM
At this point, I just hope Sandusky can hold off on eating a bullet until after New Years.

Something something Zsa Zsa Gabor. (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45228176/ns/today-entertainment/)
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on November 14, 2011, 10:17:10 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 14, 2011, 10:14:20 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2011, 10:00:45 AM
At this point, I just hope Sandusky can hold off on eating a bullet until after New Years.

Something something Zsa Zsa Gabor. (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45228176/ns/today-entertainment/)

If I win this year based on pilfering your HOPE JINXED pick of Zsa Zsa, I will be more obnoxious than ever.  Fair warning.  Also, Ed Sprinkle WILL DIE before year's end.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on November 14, 2011, 10:53:29 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2011, 10:17:10 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 14, 2011, 10:14:20 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2011, 10:00:45 AM
At this point, I just hope Sandusky can hold off on eating a bullet until after New Years.

Something something Zsa Zsa Gabor. (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45228176/ns/today-entertainment/)

If I win this year based on pilfering your HOPE JINXED pick of Zsa Zsa, I will be more obnoxious than ever.  Fair warning.  Also, Ed Sprinkle WILL DIE before year's end.

Ed Sprinkle will never die.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BH on November 14, 2011, 11:17:18 AM
From Peter King today, interesting. I didn't know about the brother.

"In April 2005, Centre County (Pa.) district attorney Ray Gricar, who decided not to bring child-assault charges against Jerry Sandusky after an incident with a young boy in 1998, disappeared without a trace in Pennsylvania and has never been heard from since. His car was found in Lewisburg, Pa., near the Susquehanna River, and his laptop computer was found in the river.

In May 1996, Gricar's brother Roy, who lived in southwest Ohio, disappeared not long after being fired from his job in Dayton. His body was found days later in the Great Miami River. His car was found parked near the Great Miami River, and authorities ruled his death a suicide.

I don't know what that means. I just find it a horribly bizarre coincidence -- I think.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/11/14/Week10/index.html#ixzz1dhWi9OSK
"
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on November 14, 2011, 11:42:51 AM
Quote from: BH on November 14, 2011, 11:17:18 AM
From Peter King today, interesting. I didn't know about the brother.

"In April 2005, Centre County (Pa.) district attorney Ray Gricar, who decided not to bring child-assault charges against Jerry Sandusky after an incident with a young boy in 1998, disappeared without a trace in Pennsylvania and has never been heard from since. His car was found in Lewisburg, Pa., near the Susquehanna River, and his laptop computer was found in the river.

In May 1996, Gricar's brother Roy, who lived in southwest Ohio, disappeared not long after being fired from his job in Dayton. His body was found days later in the Great Miami River. His car was found parked near the Great Miami River, and authorities ruled his death a suicide.

I don't know what that means. I just find it a horribly bizarre coincidence -- I think.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/11/14/Week10/index.html#ixzz1dhWi9OSK
"

How many places are there to get good coffee in State College?  What about their hotels – is the WiFi readily available, free, and fast?  Is the train station nice and comfortable?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: morpheus on November 14, 2011, 11:50:07 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 14, 2011, 11:42:51 AM
Quote from: BH on November 14, 2011, 11:17:18 AM
From Peter King today, interesting. I didn't know about the brother.

"In April 2005, Centre County (Pa.) district attorney Ray Gricar, who decided not to bring child-assault charges against Jerry Sandusky after an incident with a young boy in 1998, disappeared without a trace in Pennsylvania and has never been heard from since. His car was found in Lewisburg, Pa., near the Susquehanna River, and his laptop computer was found in the river.

In May 1996, Gricar's brother Roy, who lived in southwest Ohio, disappeared not long after being fired from his job in Dayton. His body was found days later in the Great Miami River. His car was found parked near the Great Miami River, and authorities ruled his death a suicide.

I don't know what that means. I just find it a horribly bizarre coincidence -- I think.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/11/14/Week10/index.html#ixzz1dhWi9OSK
"

How many places are there to get good coffee in State College?  What about their hotels – is the WiFi readily available, free, and fast?  Is the train station nice and comfortable?

I admit it, I LOLed.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: morpheus on November 14, 2011, 11:51:14 AM
DPD.  THIS. (http://www.ydr.com/letters/ci_19308209)
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on November 14, 2011, 12:10:03 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 14, 2011, 10:53:29 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2011, 10:17:10 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 14, 2011, 10:14:20 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2011, 10:00:45 AM
At this point, I just hope Sandusky can hold off on eating a bullet until after New Years.

Something something Zsa Zsa Gabor. (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45228176/ns/today-entertainment/)

If I win this year based on pilfering your HOPE JINXED pick of Zsa Zsa, I will be more obnoxious than ever.  Fair warning.  Also, Ed Sprinkle WILL DIE before year's end.

Ed Sprinkle will never die.

You keep saying that, but he will die on Christmas Night after the Bears vanquish Green Bay.  It's all part of my Master Plan.  Thy will be done!
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Internet Apex on November 14, 2011, 12:39:45 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2011, 12:10:03 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 14, 2011, 10:53:29 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2011, 10:17:10 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 14, 2011, 10:14:20 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2011, 10:00:45 AM
At this point, I just hope Sandusky can hold off on eating a bullet until after New Years.

Something something Zsa Zsa Gabor. (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45228176/ns/today-entertainment/)

If I win this year based on pilfering your HOPE JINXED pick of Zsa Zsa, I will be more obnoxious than ever.  Fair warning.  Also, Ed Sprinkle WILL DIE before year's end.

Ed Sprinkle will never die.

You keep saying that, but he will die on Christmas Night after the Bears vanquish Green Bay.  It's all part of my Master Plan.  Thy will be done!

Vanquished by Christmas? The Pack must be in for quite a tumble. Let's see it done.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on November 14, 2011, 12:42:21 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2011, 12:10:03 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 14, 2011, 10:53:29 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2011, 10:17:10 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 14, 2011, 10:14:20 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2011, 10:00:45 AM
At this point, I just hope Sandusky can hold off on eating a bullet until after New Years.

Something something Zsa Zsa Gabor. (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45228176/ns/today-entertainment/)

If I win this year based on pilfering your HOPE JINXED pick of Zsa Zsa, I will be more obnoxious than ever.  Fair warning.  Also, Ed Sprinkle WILL DIE before year's end.

Ed Sprinkle will never die.

You keep saying that, but he will die on Christmas Night after the Bears vanquish Green Bay.  It's all part of my Master Plan.  Thy will be done!

I keep saying that and he keeps never dying.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Quality Start Machine on November 14, 2011, 06:17:58 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2011, 10:17:10 AM
I will be more obnoxious than ever. 

There's a "more"?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 15, 2011, 12:58:56 AM
From last week, but still a perfect summation:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-november-10-2011/penn-state-riots
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BH on November 15, 2011, 08:07:02 AM
So Uncle Jerry says to Bob Costas that showering with boys is normal after a workout, nothing to see here.

It sickens me, but I honestly don't see Jerry going to jail. Maybe he'll plea guilty to lesser charges.
No way will a jury of his peers in their community convict him, their reaction to this already illustrates that they don't get it.
The university is the tops to them. They need the kids to testify, and they will be bought off, or will be shunned by the community for taking down Penn State. Once again, the kids will be the victims in all this.

Only hope is to get this trial out of Pennsylvania.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Bort on November 15, 2011, 08:17:01 AM
Quote from: Fork on November 14, 2011, 06:17:58 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2011, 10:17:10 AM
I will be more obnoxious than ever. 

There's a "more"?

(http://cdn1.lostateminor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Glass-House-3.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Quality Start Machine on November 15, 2011, 08:42:10 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 15, 2011, 08:17:01 AM
Quote from: Fork on November 14, 2011, 06:17:58 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2011, 10:17:10 AM
I will be more obnoxious than ever. 

There's a "more"?

(http://cdn1.lostateminor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Glass-House-3.jpg)

That house, unlike my obnoxiousness, has a ceiling.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on November 15, 2011, 08:44:07 AM
Quote from: BH on November 15, 2011, 08:07:02 AM
So Uncle Jerry says to Bob Costas that showering with boys is normal after a workout, nothing to see here.

It sickens me, but I honestly don't see Jerry going to jail. Maybe he'll plea guilty to lesser charges.
No way will a jury of his peers in their community convict him, their reaction to this already illustrates that they don't get it.
The university is the tops to them. They need the kids to testify, and they will be bought off, or will be shunned by the community for taking down Penn State. Once again, the kids will be the victims in all this.

Only hope is to get this trial out of Pennsylvania.

I think they'll get him somehow.  There's already an investigation opened in San Antonio over whether he had sex with one of the victims there during the Alamo Bowl.  

If it's found that he did, then the Feds  will get a crack at him based on violation of the Mann Act. (||)
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on November 15, 2011, 08:49:04 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 15, 2011, 08:44:07 AM
Quote from: BH on November 15, 2011, 08:07:02 AM
So Uncle Jerry says to Bob Costas that showering with boys is normal after a workout, nothing to see here.

It sickens me, but I honestly don't see Jerry going to jail. Maybe he'll plea guilty to lesser charges.
No way will a jury of his peers in their community convict him, their reaction to this already illustrates that they don't get it.
The university is the tops to them. They need the kids to testify, and they will be bought off, or will be shunned by the community for taking down Penn State. Once again, the kids will be the victims in all this.

Only hope is to get this trial out of Pennsylvania.

I think they'll get him somehow.  There's already an investigation opened in San Antonio over whether he had sex with one of the victims there during the Alamo Bowl.  

If it's found that he did, then the Feds  will get a crack at him based on violation of the Mann Act. (||)

Why would Sandusky walk in State College? Paterno, of course, will not be charged in State College for anything. But Sandusky? Had he kept his pants on and his hands to himself, JoePa would be half asleep on a golf cart getting the Nittany Lions ready for Ohio State.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 15, 2011, 08:50:22 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 15, 2011, 08:49:04 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 15, 2011, 08:44:07 AM
Quote from: BH on November 15, 2011, 08:07:02 AM
So Uncle Jerry says to Bob Costas that showering with boys is normal after a workout, nothing to see here.

It sickens me, but I honestly don't see Jerry going to jail. Maybe he'll plea guilty to lesser charges.
No way will a jury of his peers in their community convict him, their reaction to this already illustrates that they don't get it.
The university is the tops to them. They need the kids to testify, and they will be bought off, or will be shunned by the community for taking down Penn State. Once again, the kids will be the victims in all this.

Only hope is to get this trial out of Pennsylvania.

I think they'll get him somehow.  There's already an investigation opened in San Antonio over whether he had sex with one of the victims there during the Alamo Bowl.  

If it's found that he did, then the Feds  will get a crack at him based on violation of the Mann Act. (||)

Why would Sandusky walk in State College? Paterno, of course, will not be charged in State College for anything. But Sandusky? Had he kept his pants on and his hands to himself, JoePa would be half asleep on a golf cart getting the Nittany Lions ready for Ohio State.

I'm also confused by BH's prediction.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on November 15, 2011, 09:04:42 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 15, 2011, 08:50:22 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 15, 2011, 08:49:04 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 15, 2011, 08:44:07 AM
Quote from: BH on November 15, 2011, 08:07:02 AM
So Uncle Jerry says to Bob Costas that showering with boys is normal after a workout, nothing to see here.

It sickens me, but I honestly don't see Jerry going to jail. Maybe he'll plea guilty to lesser charges.
No way will a jury of his peers in their community convict him, their reaction to this already illustrates that they don't get it.
The university is the tops to them. They need the kids to testify, and they will be bought off, or will be shunned by the community for taking down Penn State. Once again, the kids will be the victims in all this.

Only hope is to get this trial out of Pennsylvania.

I think they'll get him somehow.  There's already an investigation opened in San Antonio over whether he had sex with one of the victims there during the Alamo Bowl.  

If it's found that he did, then the Feds  will get a crack at him based on violation of the Mann Act. (||)

Why would Sandusky walk in State College? Paterno, of course, will not be charged in State College for anything. But Sandusky? Had he kept his pants on and his hands to himself, JoePa would be half asleep on a golf cart getting the Nittany Lions ready for Ohio State.

I'm also confused by BH's prediction.

Well, in BH's defense, we've already seen the guy granted an unsecured release by a local judge.  All it takes is one crazy on the jury.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BH on November 15, 2011, 09:05:34 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 15, 2011, 08:50:22 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 15, 2011, 08:49:04 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 15, 2011, 08:44:07 AM
Quote from: BH on November 15, 2011, 08:07:02 AM
So Uncle Jerry says to Bob Costas that showering with boys is normal after a workout, nothing to see here.

It sickens me, but I honestly don't see Jerry going to jail. Maybe he'll plea guilty to lesser charges.
No way will a jury of his peers in their community convict him, their reaction to this already illustrates that they don't get it.
The university is the tops to them. They need the kids to testify, and they will be bought off, or will be shunned by the community for taking down Penn State. Once again, the kids will be the victims in all this.

Only hope is to get this trial out of Pennsylvania.

I think they'll get him somehow.  There's already an investigation opened in San Antonio over whether he had sex with one of the victims there during the Alamo Bowl.  

If it's found that he did, then the Feds  will get a crack at him based on violation of the Mann Act. (||)

Why would Sandusky walk in State College? Paterno, of course, will not be charged in State College for anything. But Sandusky? Had he kept his pants on and his hands to himself, JoePa would be half asleep on a golf cart getting the Nittany Lions ready for Ohio State.

I'm also confused by BH's prediction.

The entire town ignored this situation (seems like everyone had an idea it was going on) for 20+ years, you don't think they'd want to just go back to pretending it never happened? If Jerry is found guilty, they can't ever forget this. If Jerry somehow gets off, they'll just say it was all a big misunderstanding, that the media made a non-story a big deal and light some candles in everyone's honor.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on November 15, 2011, 12:31:54 PM
Quote from: BH on November 15, 2011, 09:05:34 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 15, 2011, 08:50:22 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 15, 2011, 08:49:04 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 15, 2011, 08:44:07 AM
Quote from: BH on November 15, 2011, 08:07:02 AM
So Uncle Jerry says to Bob Costas that showering with boys is normal after a workout, nothing to see here.

It sickens me, but I honestly don't see Jerry going to jail. Maybe he'll plea guilty to lesser charges.
No way will a jury of his peers in their community convict him, their reaction to this already illustrates that they don't get it.
The university is the tops to them. They need the kids to testify, and they will be bought off, or will be shunned by the community for taking down Penn State. Once again, the kids will be the victims in all this.

Only hope is to get this trial out of Pennsylvania.

I think they'll get him somehow.  There's already an investigation opened in San Antonio over whether he had sex with one of the victims there during the Alamo Bowl.  

If it's found that he did, then the Feds  will get a crack at him based on violation of the Mann Act. (||)

Why would Sandusky walk in State College? Paterno, of course, will not be charged in State College for anything. But Sandusky? Had he kept his pants on and his hands to himself, JoePa would be half asleep on a golf cart getting the Nittany Lions ready for Ohio State.

I'm also confused by BH's prediction.

The entire town ignored this situation (seems like everyone had an idea it was going on) for 20+ years, you don't think they'd want to just go back to pretending it never happened? If Jerry is found guilty, they can't ever forget this. If Jerry somehow gets off, they'll just say it was all a big misunderstanding, that the media made a non-story a big deal and light some candles in everyone's honor.

I agree with BH.  Too many kool-aid drinkers in that now-creepy town to think that it won't be to Sandusky's advantage to have the trial held there. As he hasn't killed himself yet, my guess is he's girding up and the defense will be supported by many people in the shadows.  This shit is likely to go in many crazy new directions.

I know it sounds crackpotish, but this thing smells like it's going pretty high up.  Is it too far out of the realm to suppose that say, maybe an Arlen Specter or someone of similar stature (Ed Rendell...who the fuck knows?) knew what was going on? 
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Gilgamesh on November 15, 2011, 12:36:09 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 15, 2011, 12:31:54 PM
Quote from: BH on November 15, 2011, 09:05:34 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 15, 2011, 08:50:22 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 15, 2011, 08:49:04 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 15, 2011, 08:44:07 AM
Quote from: BH on November 15, 2011, 08:07:02 AM
So Uncle Jerry says to Bob Costas that showering with boys is normal after a workout, nothing to see here.

It sickens me, but I honestly don't see Jerry going to jail. Maybe he'll plea guilty to lesser charges.
No way will a jury of his peers in their community convict him, their reaction to this already illustrates that they don't get it.
The university is the tops to them. They need the kids to testify, and they will be bought off, or will be shunned by the community for taking down Penn State. Once again, the kids will be the victims in all this.

Only hope is to get this trial out of Pennsylvania.

I think they'll get him somehow.  There's already an investigation opened in San Antonio over whether he had sex with one of the victims there during the Alamo Bowl.  

If it's found that he did, then the Feds  will get a crack at him based on violation of the Mann Act. (||)

Why would Sandusky walk in State College? Paterno, of course, will not be charged in State College for anything. But Sandusky? Had he kept his pants on and his hands to himself, JoePa would be half asleep on a golf cart getting the Nittany Lions ready for Ohio State.

I'm also confused by BH's prediction.

The entire town ignored this situation (seems like everyone had an idea it was going on) for 20+ years, you don't think they'd want to just go back to pretending it never happened? If Jerry is found guilty, they can't ever forget this. If Jerry somehow gets off, they'll just say it was all a big misunderstanding, that the media made a non-story a big deal and light some candles in everyone's honor.

I agree with BH.  Too many kool-aid drinkers in that now-creepy town to think that it won't be to Sandusky's advantage to have the trial held there. As he hasn't killed himself yet, my guess is he's girding up and the defense will be supported by many people in the shadows.  This shit is likely to go in many crazy new directions.

I know it sounds crackpotish, but this thing smells like it's going pretty high up.  Is it too far out of the realm to suppose that say, maybe an Arlen Specter or someone of similar stature (Ed Rendell...who the fuck knows?) knew what was going on? 

You know who probably wasn't aware of this?  The Amish.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: R-V on November 15, 2011, 12:45:41 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 15, 2011, 12:31:54 PM
Quote from: BH on November 15, 2011, 09:05:34 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 15, 2011, 08:50:22 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 15, 2011, 08:49:04 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 15, 2011, 08:44:07 AM
Quote from: BH on November 15, 2011, 08:07:02 AM
So Uncle Jerry says to Bob Costas that showering with boys is normal after a workout, nothing to see here.

It sickens me, but I honestly don't see Jerry going to jail. Maybe he'll plea guilty to lesser charges.
No way will a jury of his peers in their community convict him, their reaction to this already illustrates that they don't get it.
The university is the tops to them. They need the kids to testify, and they will be bought off, or will be shunned by the community for taking down Penn State. Once again, the kids will be the victims in all this.

Only hope is to get this trial out of Pennsylvania.

I think they'll get him somehow.  There's already an investigation opened in San Antonio over whether he had sex with one of the victims there during the Alamo Bowl.  

If it's found that he did, then the Feds  will get a crack at him based on violation of the Mann Act. (||)

Why would Sandusky walk in State College? Paterno, of course, will not be charged in State College for anything. But Sandusky? Had he kept his pants on and his hands to himself, JoePa would be half asleep on a golf cart getting the Nittany Lions ready for Ohio State.

I'm also confused by BH's prediction.

The entire town ignored this situation (seems like everyone had an idea it was going on) for 20+ years, you don't think they'd want to just go back to pretending it never happened? If Jerry is found guilty, they can't ever forget this. If Jerry somehow gets off, they'll just say it was all a big misunderstanding, that the media made a non-story a big deal and light some candles in everyone's honor.

I agree with BH.  Too many kool-aid drinkers in that now-creepy town to think that it won't be to Sandusky's advantage to have the trial held there. As he hasn't killed himself yet, my guess is he's girding up and the defense will be supported by many people in the shadows.  This shit is likely to go in many crazy new directions.

I know it sounds crackpotish, but this thing smells like it's going pretty high up.  Is it too far out of the realm to suppose that say, maybe an Arlen Specter or someone of similar stature (Ed Rendell...who the fuck knows?) knew what was going on?

And they thought all of Sandusky's secrets would die with Vince Foster and Ron Brown. Fools!
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Tinker to Evers to Chance on November 15, 2011, 12:51:22 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 15, 2011, 12:45:41 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 15, 2011, 12:31:54 PM
Quote from: BH on November 15, 2011, 09:05:34 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 15, 2011, 08:50:22 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 15, 2011, 08:49:04 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 15, 2011, 08:44:07 AM
Quote from: BH on November 15, 2011, 08:07:02 AM
So Uncle Jerry says to Bob Costas that showering with boys is normal after a workout, nothing to see here.

It sickens me, but I honestly don't see Jerry going to jail. Maybe he'll plea guilty to lesser charges.
No way will a jury of his peers in their community convict him, their reaction to this already illustrates that they don't get it.
The university is the tops to them. They need the kids to testify, and they will be bought off, or will be shunned by the community for taking down Penn State. Once again, the kids will be the victims in all this.

Only hope is to get this trial out of Pennsylvania.

I think they'll get him somehow.  There's already an investigation opened in San Antonio over whether he had sex with one of the victims there during the Alamo Bowl.  

If it's found that he did, then the Feds  will get a crack at him based on violation of the Mann Act. (||)

Why would Sandusky walk in State College? Paterno, of course, will not be charged in State College for anything. But Sandusky? Had he kept his pants on and his hands to himself, JoePa would be half asleep on a golf cart getting the Nittany Lions ready for Ohio State.

I'm also confused by BH's prediction.

The entire town ignored this situation (seems like everyone had an idea it was going on) for 20+ years, you don't think they'd want to just go back to pretending it never happened? If Jerry is found guilty, they can't ever forget this. If Jerry somehow gets off, they'll just say it was all a big misunderstanding, that the media made a non-story a big deal and light some candles in everyone's honor.

I agree with BH.  Too many kool-aid drinkers in that now-creepy town to think that it won't be to Sandusky's advantage to have the trial held there. As he hasn't killed himself yet, my guess is he's girding up and the defense will be supported by many people in the shadows.  This shit is likely to go in many crazy new directions.

I know it sounds crackpotish, but this thing smells like it's going pretty high up.  Is it too far out of the realm to suppose that say, maybe an Arlen Specter or someone of similar stature (Ed Rendell...who the fuck knows?) knew what was going on?

And they thought all of Sandusky's secrets would die with Vince Foster and Ron Brown. Fools!

Looks like we can add Gricar to the Clinton body count after all. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7869.msg247721#msg247721)

Dots.  Connected.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Tinker to Evers to Chance on November 15, 2011, 12:59:10 PM
DPD.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/jerry-sandusky-i-seeking-young-person-sexual-helped-article-1.977730 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/jerry-sandusky-i-seeking-young-person-sexual-helped-article-1.977730)

Quote"I didn't go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I've helped. There are many that I didn't have-- I hardly had any contact with who I have helped in many, many ways."

I see where he's coming from here.  We're totally ignoring all the kids he didn't rape.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on November 15, 2011, 01:04:34 PM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on November 15, 2011, 12:59:10 PM
DPD.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/jerry-sandusky-i-seeking-young-person-sexual-helped-article-1.977730 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/jerry-sandusky-i-seeking-young-person-sexual-helped-article-1.977730)

Quote"I didn't go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I've helped. There are many that I didn't have-- I hardly had any contact with who I have helped in many, many ways."

I see where he's coming from here.  We're totally ignoring all the kids he didn't rape.

Holy fucking shit.

1) He might have found the dumbest lawyer alive... Maybe that's the only type that would represent him.
2) He hanged himself there. He's done. A prosecutor will have a field day with this.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BH on November 15, 2011, 01:14:05 PM
Quote from: Brownie on November 15, 2011, 01:04:34 PM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on November 15, 2011, 12:59:10 PM
DPD.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/jerry-sandusky-i-seeking-young-person-sexual-helped-article-1.977730 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/jerry-sandusky-i-seeking-young-person-sexual-helped-article-1.977730)

Quote"I didn't go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I've helped. There are many that I didn't have-- I hardly had any contact with who I have helped in many, many ways."

I see where he's coming from here.  We're totally ignoring all the kids he didn't rape.

Holy fucking shit.

1) He might have found the dumbest lawyer alive... Maybe that's the only type that would represent him.
2) He hanged himself there. He's done. A prosecutor will have a field day with this.

3) Jerry and his lawyer are just totally celebrating  (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/jerry-sandusky-s-lawyer-joe-amendola-a-16-year-old-client-pregnant-married-article-1.977873)with the country how awesome sleeping with kids is.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on November 15, 2011, 01:16:07 PM
At least Sandusky's attorney is familiar with cases of pederasty. (http://undergroundsportsnetwork.net/site/2011/11/15/defense-lawyer-for-sandusky-linked-to-statutory-rape/)  Very familiar.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on November 15, 2011, 01:17:06 PM
Damn.  FACED at Desipio.

Oh, how humiliating.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on November 15, 2011, 01:20:54 PM
Quote from: Brownie on November 15, 2011, 01:04:34 PM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on November 15, 2011, 12:59:10 PM
DPD.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/jerry-sandusky-i-seeking-young-person-sexual-helped-article-1.977730 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/jerry-sandusky-i-seeking-young-person-sexual-helped-article-1.977730)

Quote"I didn't go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I've helped. There are many that I didn't have-- I hardly had any contact with who I have helped in many, many ways."

I see where he's coming from here.  We're totally ignoring all the kids he didn't rape.

Holy fucking shit.

1) He might have found the dumbest lawyer alive... Maybe that's the only type that would represent him.
2) He hanged himself there. He's done. A prosecutor will have a field day with this.

This is a brilliant gambit.  I mean, he's tainted any possible jury pool.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Gilgamesh on November 15, 2011, 01:34:11 PM
Email from McQueary to friends contradicts the grand jury...(possibly)

Quote"I did the right thing...you guys know me...the truth is not out there fully...I didn't just turn and run...I made sure it stopped...I had to make quick tough decisions."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45286426/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/penn-state-assistant-coach-i-did-right-thing/#.TsKNp2A5yql
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 15, 2011, 01:38:41 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 15, 2011, 01:16:07 PM
At least Sandusky's attorney is familiar with cases of pederasty. (http://undergroundsportsnetwork.net/site/2011/11/15/defense-lawyer-for-sandusky-linked-to-statutory-rape/)  Very familiar.

Except, apparently the girl the lawyer impregnated was consenting and perfectly legal.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BC on November 15, 2011, 06:36:43 PM
Getting back to college football for a moment, there are rumors that Ron Zook will be fired as Illinois head coach unless the Illini win the next two games (Home against Wisconsin, road against Minnesota).

Since the Illini have either no chance or zero chance of beating Wisconsin, I guess that means Illinois is now looking for a new head football coach.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 15, 2011, 06:52:40 PM
Quote from: BC on November 15, 2011, 06:36:43 PM
Getting back to college football for a moment, there are rumors that Ron Zook will be fired as Illinois head coach unless the Illini win the next two games (Home against Wisconsin, road against Minnesota).

Since the Illini have either no chance or zero chance of beating Wisconsin, I guess that means Illinois is now looking for a new head football coach.

I hear Joe Paterno is available. Some of his assistants, too.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on November 15, 2011, 08:20:16 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 15, 2011, 06:52:40 PM
Quote from: BC on November 15, 2011, 06:36:43 PM
Getting back to college football for a moment, there are rumors that Ron Zook will be fired as Illinois head coach unless the Illini win the next two games (Home against Wisconsin, road against Minnesota).

Since the Illini have either no chance or zero chance of beating Wisconsin, I guess that means Illinois is now looking for a new head football coach.

I hear Joe Paterno is available. Some of his assistants, too.

He's also homeless now, apparently.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/sports/ncaafootball/in-july-paterno-transferred-ownership-of-home-to-his-wife-for-1.html
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on November 15, 2011, 09:36:54 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 15, 2011, 06:52:40 PM
Quote from: BC on November 15, 2011, 06:36:43 PM
Getting back to college football for a moment, there are rumors that Ron Zook will be fired as Illinois head coach unless the Illini win the next two games (Home against Wisconsin, road against Minnesota).

Since the Illini have either no chance or zero chance of beating Wisconsin, I guess that means Illinois is now looking for a new head football coach.

I hear Joe Paterno is available. Some of his assistants, too.

He knows the conference very well. Sounds like a great fit. I-L-L!
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on November 16, 2011, 10:20:28 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 15, 2011, 08:20:16 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 15, 2011, 06:52:40 PM
Quote from: BC on November 15, 2011, 06:36:43 PM
Getting back to college football for a moment, there are rumors that Ron Zook will be fired as Illinois head coach unless the Illini win the next two games (Home against Wisconsin, road against Minnesota).

Since the Illini have either no chance or zero chance of beating Wisconsin, I guess that means Illinois is now looking for a new head football coach.

I hear Joe Paterno is available. Some of his assistants, too.

He's also homeless now, apparently.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/sports/ncaafootball/in-july-paterno-transferred-ownership-of-home-to-his-wife-for-1.html

Really, though, his house has got to be just a fraction of his net worth. He made over 500K just this past year, and grossed probably $10MM over his career just in salary. He also got a cut of camp revenue, shoe contract revenue, etc, from Penn State, so he has probably earned more than $25MM over the course of his lifetime. A $500,000 home is peanuts in comparison to everything else. So what's really the advantage of him transferring the home to his wife's name?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: R-V on November 16, 2011, 11:00:27 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 16, 2011, 10:20:28 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 15, 2011, 08:20:16 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 15, 2011, 06:52:40 PM
Quote from: BC on November 15, 2011, 06:36:43 PM
Getting back to college football for a moment, there are rumors that Ron Zook will be fired as Illinois head coach unless the Illini win the next two games (Home against Wisconsin, road against Minnesota).

Since the Illini have either no chance or zero chance of beating Wisconsin, I guess that means Illinois is now looking for a new head football coach.

I hear Joe Paterno is available. Some of his assistants, too.

He's also homeless now, apparently.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/sports/ncaafootball/in-july-paterno-transferred-ownership-of-home-to-his-wife-for-1.html

Really, though, his house has got to be just a fraction of his net worth. He made over 500K just this past year, and grossed probably $10MM over his career just in salary. He also got a cut of camp revenue, shoe contract revenue, etc, from Penn State, so he has probably earned more than $25MM over the course of his lifetime. A $500,000 home is peanuts in comparison to everything else. So what's really the advantage of him transferring the home to his wife's name?

All the money is buried in a crawlspace under that house.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 16, 2011, 11:02:02 AM
Quote from: R-V on November 16, 2011, 11:00:27 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 16, 2011, 10:20:28 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 15, 2011, 08:20:16 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 15, 2011, 06:52:40 PM
Quote from: BC on November 15, 2011, 06:36:43 PM
Getting back to college football for a moment, there are rumors that Ron Zook will be fired as Illinois head coach unless the Illini win the next two games (Home against Wisconsin, road against Minnesota).

Since the Illini have either no chance or zero chance of beating Wisconsin, I guess that means Illinois is now looking for a new head football coach.

I hear Joe Paterno is available. Some of his assistants, too.

He's also homeless now, apparently.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/sports/ncaafootball/in-july-paterno-transferred-ownership-of-home-to-his-wife-for-1.html

Really, though, his house has got to be just a fraction of his net worth. He made over 500K just this past year, and grossed probably $10MM over his career just in salary. He also got a cut of camp revenue, shoe contract revenue, etc, from Penn State, so he has probably earned more than $25MM over the course of his lifetime. A $500,000 home is peanuts in comparison to everything else. So what's really the advantage of him transferring the home to his wife's name?

All the money is buried in a crawlspace under that house.

It's like Jerry said: there's always money in the rape basement!
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on November 16, 2011, 11:34:59 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 16, 2011, 10:20:28 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 15, 2011, 08:20:16 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 15, 2011, 06:52:40 PM
Quote from: BC on November 15, 2011, 06:36:43 PM
Getting back to college football for a moment, there are rumors that Ron Zook will be fired as Illinois head coach unless the Illini win the next two games (Home against Wisconsin, road against Minnesota).

Since the Illini have either no chance or zero chance of beating Wisconsin, I guess that means Illinois is now looking for a new head football coach.

I hear Joe Paterno is available. Some of his assistants, too.

He's also homeless now, apparently.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/sports/ncaafootball/in-july-paterno-transferred-ownership-of-home-to-his-wife-for-1.html

Really, though, his house has got to be just a fraction of his net worth. He made over 500K just this past year, and grossed probably $10MM over his career just in salary. He also got a cut of camp revenue, shoe contract revenue, etc, from Penn State, so he has probably earned more than $25MM over the course of his lifetime. A $500,000 home is peanuts in comparison to everything else. So what's really the advantage of him transferring the home to his wife's name?

And wouldn't tenancy of the entirety shield him? (Stew?)
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Armchair_QB on November 16, 2011, 11:47:46 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 16, 2011, 11:34:59 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 16, 2011, 10:20:28 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 15, 2011, 08:20:16 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 15, 2011, 06:52:40 PM
Quote from: BC on November 15, 2011, 06:36:43 PM
Getting back to college football for a moment, there are rumors that Ron Zook will be fired as Illinois head coach unless the Illini win the next two games (Home against Wisconsin, road against Minnesota).

Since the Illini have either no chance or zero chance of beating Wisconsin, I guess that means Illinois is now looking for a new head football coach.

I hear Joe Paterno is available. Some of his assistants, too.

He's also homeless now, apparently.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/sports/ncaafootball/in-july-paterno-transferred-ownership-of-home-to-his-wife-for-1.html

Really, though, his house has got to be just a fraction of his net worth. He made over 500K just this past year, and grossed probably $10MM over his career just in salary. He also got a cut of camp revenue, shoe contract revenue, etc, from Penn State, so he has probably earned more than $25MM over the course of his lifetime. A $500,000 home is peanuts in comparison to everything else. So what's really the advantage of him transferring the home to his wife's name?

And wouldn't tenancy of the entirety shield him? (Stew?)

He could also have done this for health reasons.

If he's been diagnosed with Alzheimer's or dementia this might be a step you take to start getting your estate in order while you still have the mental capacity to be involved in decision-making.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: PenPho on November 16, 2011, 12:40:57 PM
Quote from: Brownie on November 16, 2011, 10:20:28 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 15, 2011, 08:20:16 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 15, 2011, 06:52:40 PM
Quote from: BC on November 15, 2011, 06:36:43 PM
Getting back to college football for a moment, there are rumors that Ron Zook will be fired as Illinois head coach unless the Illini win the next two games (Home against Wisconsin, road against Minnesota).

Since the Illini have either no chance or zero chance of beating Wisconsin, I guess that means Illinois is now looking for a new head football coach.

I hear Joe Paterno is available. Some of his assistants, too.

He's also homeless now, apparently.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/sports/ncaafootball/in-july-paterno-transferred-ownership-of-home-to-his-wife-for-1.html

Really, though, his house has got to be just a fraction of his net worth. He made over 500K just this past year, and grossed probably $10MM over his career just in salary. He also got a cut of camp revenue, shoe contract revenue, etc, from Penn State, so he has probably earned more than $25MM over the course of his lifetime. A $500,000 home is peanuts in comparison to everything else. So what's really the advantage of him transferring the home to his wife's name?

Plus, he hasn't bought new clothing or glasses since 1976.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on November 16, 2011, 12:44:29 PM
Quote from: PenPho on November 16, 2011, 12:40:57 PM
Quote from: Brownie on November 16, 2011, 10:20:28 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 15, 2011, 08:20:16 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 15, 2011, 06:52:40 PM
Quote from: BC on November 15, 2011, 06:36:43 PM
Getting back to college football for a moment, there are rumors that Ron Zook will be fired as Illinois head coach unless the Illini win the next two games (Home against Wisconsin, road against Minnesota).

Since the Illini have either no chance or zero chance of beating Wisconsin, I guess that means Illinois is now looking for a new head football coach.

I hear Joe Paterno is available. Some of his assistants, too.

He's also homeless now, apparently.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/sports/ncaafootball/in-july-paterno-transferred-ownership-of-home-to-his-wife-for-1.html

Really, though, his house has got to be just a fraction of his net worth. He made over 500K just this past year, and grossed probably $10MM over his career just in salary. He also got a cut of camp revenue, shoe contract revenue, etc, from Penn State, so he has probably earned more than $25MM over the course of his lifetime. A $500,000 home is peanuts in comparison to everything else. So what's really the advantage of him transferring the home to his wife's name?

Plus, he hasn't bought new clothing or glasses since 1976.

Or cared about kids too young to win football games, apparently.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on November 17, 2011, 10:01:07 PM
So, either this was covered up by Penn State and Second Mile, or someone has gone out of their way to make it look like it.

QuoteOfficials at the Second Mile, the charity for at-risk children that Sandusky founded and that prosecutors say he used to target victims, reported that several years of the organization's records were missing and had perhaps been stolen. The missing files, investigators worry, may limit their ability to determine if Sandusky used charity resources — expense accounts, travel, gifts — to recruit new victims, or even buy their silence, according to two people with knowledge of the case.

QuoteBut what most struck the investigators, according to people with knowledge of the current case, was that the university itself seemed to have done nothing in the wake of the police investigation. Whether that was because other senior officials at Penn State did not know of the investigation or because they knew of it, but chose to do nothing, is a central question for investigators today.

Quote"You have to understand those statements in context — there is nothing that happens at State College that Joe Paterno doesn't know, or that Graham Spanier doesn't know," one person involved in the investigation said. "Whether or not a criminal case went forward, there were ample grounds for an administrative inquiry into this matter. I have no evidence that was ever done. And if indeed that report was never passed up, it makes you wonder why not."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/sports/ncaafootball/internet-posting-helped-sandusky-investigators.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on November 18, 2011, 10:15:23 AM
Now Jimmy Boeheim has a similar child sex scandal with his assistant Bernie Fine, who was buggering a 12-year-old ballboy as early as 1983. Pair that with Marquette's (adult) rape scandal, Notre Dame's sex assault coverup that might have contributed to a freshman woman's suicide last year, and college sports is a bigger cesspool outside of the SEC and Big 12.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on November 18, 2011, 10:25:41 AM
The Holy See needs the NCAA death penalty
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Quality Start Machine on November 18, 2011, 10:47:32 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 18, 2011, 10:25:41 AM
The Holy See needs the NCAA death penalty

We get it, there are no perverts in the Tribe.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on November 18, 2011, 10:49:56 AM
Quote from: Fork on November 18, 2011, 10:47:32 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 18, 2011, 10:25:41 AM
The Holy See needs the NCAA death penalty

We get it, there are no perverts in the Tribe.

I've heard rumors about Grady Sizemore.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on November 18, 2011, 11:03:29 AM
Quote from: Fork on November 18, 2011, 10:47:32 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 18, 2011, 10:25:41 AM
The Holy See needs the NCAA death penalty

We get it, there are no perverts in the Tribe.


Au contraire (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eishes-chayil/orthodox-jewish-child-abuse_b_915557.html)
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: PenPho on November 18, 2011, 03:21:41 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 18, 2011, 11:03:29 AM
Quote from: Fork on November 18, 2011, 10:47:32 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 18, 2011, 10:25:41 AM
The Holy See needs the NCAA death penalty

We get it, there are no perverts in the Tribe.


Au contraire (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eishes-chayil/orthodox-jewish-child-abuse_b_915557.html)

I'm still waiting on Chuck's datase, but let's assume no relation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capturing_the_Friedmans) (to Andrew or me.)
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on November 18, 2011, 04:17:43 PM
Should me move this to the Death Pool? (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-joe-paterno-has-lung-cancer-son-20111118,0,4493193.story)
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on November 18, 2011, 06:44:39 PM
Quote from: Brownie on November 18, 2011, 04:17:43 PM
Should me move this to the Death Pool? (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-joe-paterno-has-lung-cancer-son-20111118,0,4493193.story)

I just sent him a case of Marlboros.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on November 21, 2011, 09:56:51 AM
Nuke the whole damn place.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/alleged_jerry_sandusky_victim.html
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: PenPho on November 21, 2011, 11:55:48 AM
Not just about Penn State (really, not much about PSU at all), but an editorial in the 11/11 WaPo (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/guest-voices/post/penn-state-my-final-loss-of-faith/2011/11/11/gIQAwmiIDN_blog.html) from a Second Mile "alum" and U of C grad student about losing faith in "our parent's generation."

I'm sure some have already read, as it's 1.5 weeks old, but a good read.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on November 22, 2011, 01:00:18 AM
Quote from: Tony on November 12, 2011, 10:39:09 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 12, 2011, 09:55:02 AM
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-11-11/news/bal-sportsblitz-gerry-sandusky-and-jerry-sandusky1109_1_gerry-sandusky-abuse-scandal-jerry-sandusky

QuoteGerry Sandusky has never met Jerry Sandusky. There is no relation. The sports director for WBAL and the radio voice of the Ravens has only been in State College, Pa., once in his life, and that was 24 years ago.

...

"What I have discovered is that there is this parallel universe of people who have the same name but no relationship to people who have committed or been alleged of committing heinous crimes," he said. "Somewhere there is a plumber named Bernie Madoff. Somewhere there is a salesman named Ken Lay. And somewhere there is a truck driver named Charles Manson. And they've had to live with this.

Why should I change? He's the one who sucks.

(http://www.mediabistro.com/prnewser/files/original/url.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/IAooX.png)
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on November 22, 2011, 11:15:39 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 22, 2011, 01:00:18 AM
Quote from: Tony on November 12, 2011, 10:39:09 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 12, 2011, 09:55:02 AM
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-11-11/news/bal-sportsblitz-gerry-sandusky-and-jerry-sandusky1109_1_gerry-sandusky-abuse-scandal-jerry-sandusky

QuoteGerry Sandusky has never met Jerry Sandusky. There is no relation. The sports director for WBAL and the radio voice of the Ravens has only been in State College, Pa., once in his life, and that was 24 years ago.

...

"What I have discovered is that there is this parallel universe of people who have the same name but no relationship to people who have committed or been alleged of committing heinous crimes," he said. "Somewhere there is a plumber named Bernie Madoff. Somewhere there is a salesman named Ken Lay. And somewhere there is a truck driver named Charles Manson. And they've had to live with this.

Why should I change? He's the one who sucks.

(http://www.mediabistro.com/prnewser/files/original/url.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/IAooX.png)

Is that real?  If so, pure gold.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BC on November 27, 2011, 02:18:47 PM
Zook has been fired.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: flannj on November 27, 2011, 03:37:11 PM
Quote from: BC on November 27, 2011, 02:18:47 PM
Zook has been fired.

Gophers!
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on November 27, 2011, 03:39:14 PM
Quote from: flannj on November 27, 2011, 03:37:11 PM
Quote from: BC on November 27, 2011, 02:18:47 PM
Zook has been fired.

Gophers!

It's not my fault nobody can understand what you're saying, ya fuzzy little foreigner.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: R-V on November 28, 2011, 09:16:13 AM
Quote from: BC on November 27, 2011, 02:18:47 PMZook has been fired.

Enough Reporter BC, I want to hear Columnist BC's thoughts on this matter.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Andy on November 28, 2011, 09:26:19 AM
Bring back Ron Turner, and Norv's gonna need a job, so he can come, too.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on November 28, 2011, 10:34:49 AM
Well, Luke Fickell will be available.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Internet Apex on November 28, 2011, 10:36:21 AM
Doesn't Indiana have a really good and inspirational coach? Or did he die?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on November 28, 2011, 11:29:35 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 28, 2011, 10:36:21 AM
Doesn't Indiana have a really good and inspirational coach? Or did he die?

He died. Instead we got Kevin Wilson, who coaches a team that can't beat a Div I-A opponent. Thank God the refs don't understand "simultaneous possession" or Wilson would have beaten a Div I-A opponent this weekend.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Internet Apex on November 28, 2011, 11:49:45 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 28, 2011, 11:29:35 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 28, 2011, 10:36:21 AM
Doesn't Indiana have a really good and inspirational coach? Or did he die?

He died. Instead we got Kevin Wilson, who coaches a team that can't beat a Div I-A opponent. Thank God the refs don't understand "simultaneous possession" or Wilson would have beaten a Div I-A opponent this weekend.

Don't be a Seahawks fan, dude.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Eli on November 28, 2011, 12:32:14 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 28, 2011, 11:49:45 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 28, 2011, 11:29:35 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 28, 2011, 10:36:21 AM
Doesn't Indiana have a really good and inspirational coach? Or did he die?

He died. Instead we got Kevin Wilson, who coaches a team that can't beat a Div I-A opponent. Thank God the refs don't understand "simultaneous possession" or Wilson would have beaten a Div I-A opponent this weekend.

Don't be a Seahawks fan, dude.

(http://i39.tinypic.com/3355wgp.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BC on November 28, 2011, 08:36:13 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 28, 2011, 09:16:13 AM
Quote from: BC on November 27, 2011, 02:18:47 PMZook has been fired.

Enough Reporter BC, I want to hear Columnist BC's thoughts on this matter.

The new hire will either be most likely to overachieve or most likely to underachieve, much like the 2005 Illini basketball team.

Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on November 28, 2011, 09:54:19 PM
Quote from: BC on November 28, 2011, 08:36:13 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 28, 2011, 09:16:13 AM
Quote from: BC on November 27, 2011, 02:18:47 PMZook has been fired.

Enough Reporter BC, I want to hear Columnist BC's thoughts on this matter.

The new hire will either be most likely to overachieve or most likely to underachieve, much like the 2005 Illini basketball team.

There is no underachievement in Illini football. There is overachievement and status quo.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Yeti on December 13, 2011, 11:27:54 PM
You excited, JD?

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7350900/source-arkansas-state-red-wolves-hire-gus-malzahn-auburn-tigers-football-coach

Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: JD on December 14, 2011, 07:29:34 AM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on December 13, 2011, 11:27:54 PM
You excited, JD?

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7350900/source-arkansas-state-red-wolves-hire-gus-malzahn-auburn-tigers-football-coach



Most definitely.  I knew Freeze was gone after this year, but I don't have any ill will towards him.  He had a good season and he did what Sean Tuohy wanted him to do---have a good enough year to take over for HDN at Ole Miss. 

Mahlzahn's gonna inherit the best QB in the Sun Belt in Ryan Aplin and a team that already runs the spread.  Plus, he'll get recruits that other coaches wouldn't have been able to based on his name.  There were rumblings about him yesterday, but I didn't think there was a chance in the North that he'd end up at THE Arkansas State University.  Pretty big day for the Red Wolves.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Yeti on December 14, 2011, 07:54:56 AM
Quote from: JD on December 14, 2011, 07:29:34 AM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on December 13, 2011, 11:27:54 PM
You excited, JD?

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7350900/source-arkansas-state-red-wolves-hire-gus-malzahn-auburn-tigers-football-coach



Most definitely.  I knew Freeze was gone after this year, but I don't have any ill will towards him.  He had a good season and he did what Sean Tuohy wanted him to do---have a good enough year to take over for HDN at Ole Miss. 

Mahlzahn's gonna inherit the best QB in the Sun Belt in Ryan Aplin and a team that already runs the spread.  Plus, he'll get recruits that other coaches wouldn't have been able to based on his name.  There were rumblings about him yesterday, but I didn't think there was a chance in the North that he'd end up at THE Arkansas State University.  Pretty big day for the Red Wolves.

Yea, as a bandwagon Red Wolves fan I'm kinda pumped too. Ride Aplins ARMCOCK to NCAA football glory.

JD, I had Sirgregory Thornton give me a Heisman in year two of my NCAA game. I expect great things from him in real life
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on December 14, 2011, 09:00:50 AM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on December 14, 2011, 07:54:56 AM
Quote from: JD on December 14, 2011, 07:29:34 AM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on December 13, 2011, 11:27:54 PM
You excited, JD?

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7350900/source-arkansas-state-red-wolves-hire-gus-malzahn-auburn-tigers-football-coach



Most definitely.  I knew Freeze was gone after this year, but I don't have any ill will towards him.  He had a good season and he did what Sean Tuohy wanted him to do---have a good enough year to take over for HDN at Ole Miss. 

Mahlzahn's gonna inherit the best QB in the Sun Belt in Ryan Aplin and a team that already runs the spread.  Plus, he'll get recruits that other coaches wouldn't have been able to based on his name.  There were rumblings about him yesterday, but I didn't think there was a chance in the North that he'd end up at THE Arkansas State University.  Pretty big day for the Red Wolves.

Yea, as a bandwagon Red Wolves fan I'm kinda pumped too. Ride Aplins ARMCOCK to NCAA football glory.

JD, I had Sirgregory Thornton give me a Heisman in year two of my NCAA game. I expect great things from him in real life

Red Wolves are going to get Sandusky'd by NIU*.

*obligatory trash-talking from NIU alum
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Shooter on December 14, 2011, 07:23:12 PM
Quote from: PANK! on December 14, 2011, 09:00:50 AM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on December 14, 2011, 07:54:56 AM
Quote from: JD on December 14, 2011, 07:29:34 AM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on December 13, 2011, 11:27:54 PM
You excited, JD?

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7350900/source-arkansas-state-red-wolves-hire-gus-malzahn-auburn-tigers-football-coach



Most definitely.  I knew Freeze was gone after this year, but I don't have any ill will towards him.  He had a good season and he did what Sean Tuohy wanted him to do---have a good enough year to take over for HDN at Ole Miss. 

Mahlzahn's gonna inherit the best QB in the Sun Belt in Ryan Aplin and a team that already runs the spread.  Plus, he'll get recruits that other coaches wouldn't have been able to based on his name.  There were rumblings about him yesterday, but I didn't think there was a chance in the North that he'd end up at THE Arkansas State University.  Pretty big day for the Red Wolves.

Yea, as a bandwagon Red Wolves fan I'm kinda pumped too. Ride Aplins ARMCOCK to NCAA football glory.

JD, I had Sirgregory Thornton give me a Heisman in year two of my NCAA game. I expect great things from him in real life

Red Wolves are going to get Sandusky'd by NIU*.

*obligatory trash-talking from NIU alum

Gus will bring the offense. His wife (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJbB5tPZAlA) will bring the crazy.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: JD on December 14, 2011, 09:09:09 PM
Quote from: PANK! on December 14, 2011, 09:00:50 AM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on December 14, 2011, 07:54:56 AM
Quote from: JD on December 14, 2011, 07:29:34 AM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on December 13, 2011, 11:27:54 PM
You excited, JD?

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7350900/source-arkansas-state-red-wolves-hire-gus-malzahn-auburn-tigers-football-coach



Most definitely.  I knew Freeze was gone after this year, but I don't have any ill will towards him.  He had a good season and he did what Sean Tuohy wanted him to do---have a good enough year to take over for HDN at Ole Miss. 

Mahlzahn's gonna inherit the best QB in the Sun Belt in Ryan Aplin and a team that already runs the spread.  Plus, he'll get recruits that other coaches wouldn't have been able to based on his name.  There were rumblings about him yesterday, but I didn't think there was a chance in the North that he'd end up at THE Arkansas State University.  Pretty big day for the Red Wolves.

Yea, as a bandwagon Red Wolves fan I'm kinda pumped too. Ride Aplins ARMCOCK to NCAA football glory.

JD, I had Sirgregory Thornton give me a Heisman in year two of my NCAA game. I expect great things from him in real life

Red Wolves are going to get Sandusky'd by NIU*.

*obligatory trash-talking from NIU alum

they actually probably are much more likely to lose than win.  Freeze only left 2 coaches behind, I think.  They promoted 2 grad assistants and picked up a couple more guys that I guess were just chilling around Jonesboro.  They've got a lot of seniors, though, so, hopefully, they can stay focused and TCB.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: JD on December 14, 2011, 09:14:29 PM
Quote from: Shooter on December 14, 2011, 07:23:12 PM

Gus will bring the offense. His wife (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJbB5tPZAlA) will bring the crazy.

A local radio guy here that was at the function said that it wasn't as bad as the video made it seem.  She's got some weird body language and obviously said some dumb stuff, but I think we all know it's up to Gus to discipline his woman.  Come Sunday, I'm sure he gets his stick(no thicker than his thumb) and puts her in her place just like the rest of us here in the South.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on December 31, 2011, 02:44:25 PM
More bowlfail. Awesome.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BC on December 31, 2011, 02:55:12 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 31, 2011, 02:44:25 PM
More bowlfail. Awesome.

Talking about Northwestern, correct? Just wait until Illinois gets done playing the Fight Something Bowl this afternoon.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Gilgamesh on December 31, 2011, 03:56:31 PM
Quote from: BC on December 31, 2011, 02:55:12 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 31, 2011, 02:44:25 PM
More bowlfail. Awesome.

Talking about Northwestern, correct? Just wait until Illinois gets done playing the Fight Something Bowl this afternoon.

Hunger, BC. Hunger.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BC on December 31, 2011, 04:31:04 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on December 31, 2011, 03:56:31 PM
Quote from: BC on December 31, 2011, 02:55:12 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 31, 2011, 02:44:25 PM
More bowlfail. Awesome.

Talking about Northwestern, correct? Just wait until Illinois gets done playing the Fight Something Bowl this afternoon.

Hunger, BC. Hunger.

Well, if you look at me, you know I only fight hunger for just a moment or two before stuffing my mouth with food again.

I would say that the Illini basketball team gives me some hope, except Purdue is in the middle of a 37-8 run or something right now against the Illini hoopers. Ugh.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CBStew on December 31, 2011, 10:00:50 PM
To my great embarrassment, UCLA not only beat Cal this year, they made Cal look really bad.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: JD on January 07, 2012, 09:36:55 AM
WPS

Also,



Go Red Wolves!
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on January 07, 2012, 09:56:30 AM
Quote from: JD on January 07, 2012, 09:36:55 AM
WPS

Also,



Go Red Wolves!NIU!

Your mother's a red wolf'd.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Yeti on January 07, 2012, 10:10:33 AM
Quote from: PANK! on January 07, 2012, 09:56:30 AM
Quote from: JD on January 07, 2012, 09:36:55 AM
WPS

Also,



Go Red Wolves!NIU!

Your mother's a red wolf'd.

Go get Huskiefucked
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on January 07, 2012, 10:14:40 AM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on January 07, 2012, 10:10:33 AM
Quote from: PANK! on January 07, 2012, 09:56:30 AM
Quote from: JD on January 07, 2012, 09:36:55 AM
WPS

Also,



Go Red Wolves!NIU!

Your mother's a red wolf'd.

Go get Huskiefucked

I get it.  Even though you're from the same state, you identify more with Arkansas, you no-good redneck.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Yeti on January 07, 2012, 10:18:44 AM
Quote from: PANK! on January 07, 2012, 10:14:40 AM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on January 07, 2012, 10:10:33 AM
Quote from: PANK! on January 07, 2012, 09:56:30 AM
Quote from: JD on January 07, 2012, 09:36:55 AM
WPS

Also,



Go Red Wolves!NIU!

Your mother's a red wolf'd.

Go get Huskiefucked

I get it.  Even though you're from the same state, you identify more with Arkansas, you no-good redneck.

North of 80 ain't the same state, cityboy
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on January 07, 2012, 10:32:06 AM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on January 07, 2012, 10:18:44 AM
Quote from: PANK! on January 07, 2012, 10:14:40 AM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on January 07, 2012, 10:10:33 AM
Quote from: PANK! on January 07, 2012, 09:56:30 AM
Quote from: JD on January 07, 2012, 09:36:55 AM
WPS

Also,



Go Red Wolves!NIU!

Your mother's a red wolf'd.

Go get Huskiefucked

I get it.  Even though you're from the same state, you identify more with Arkansas, you no-good redneck.

North of 80 ain't the same state, cityboy

I'm sorry.  For whom do you work again, Cletus?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Yeti on January 07, 2012, 10:37:26 AM
Quote from: PANK! on January 07, 2012, 10:32:06 AM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on January 07, 2012, 10:18:44 AM
Quote from: PANK! on January 07, 2012, 10:14:40 AM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on January 07, 2012, 10:10:33 AM
Quote from: PANK! on January 07, 2012, 09:56:30 AM
Quote from: JD on January 07, 2012, 09:36:55 AM
WPS

Also,



Go Red Wolves!NIU!

Your mother's a red wolf'd.

Go get Huskiefucked

I get it.  Even though you're from the same state, you identify more with Arkansas, you no-good redneck.

North of 80 ain't the same state, cityboy

I'm sorry.  For whom do you work again, Cletus?

I work for your mom, Seamus O'Asscrustt
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Internet Apex on January 08, 2012, 02:39:26 PM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on January 07, 2012, 10:37:26 AM
Quote from: PANK! on January 07, 2012, 10:32:06 AM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on January 07, 2012, 10:18:44 AM
Quote from: PANK! on January 07, 2012, 10:14:40 AM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on January 07, 2012, 10:10:33 AM
Quote from: PANK! on January 07, 2012, 09:56:30 AM
Quote from: JD on January 07, 2012, 09:36:55 AM
WPS

Also,



Go Red Wolves!NIU!

Your mother's a red wolf'd.

Go get Huskiefucked

I get it.  Even though you're from the same state, you identify more with Arkansas, you no-good redneck.

North of 80 ain't the same state, cityboy

I'm sorry.  For whom do you work again, Cletus?

I work for your mom, Seamus O'Asscrustt

I laughed.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on January 08, 2012, 11:49:39 PM
NIU!
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: JD on January 09, 2012, 06:51:03 AM
Quote from: PANK! on January 08, 2012, 11:49:39 PM
NIU!

A State was ticking me off with their red zone plays.  Just go score, ya goofballs.  When Frampton went out, I lost a lot of hope.  Good job by NIU.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Yeti on January 09, 2012, 07:21:43 AM
Quote from: PANK! on January 08, 2012, 11:49:39 PM
NIU!

I was back and forth between this and the Hawks, but one thing I will say is that it should have been 5-0 real quick with ASU  getting the ball back
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on January 09, 2012, 09:09:09 AM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on January 09, 2012, 07:21:43 AM
Quote from: PANK! on January 08, 2012, 11:49:39 PM
NIU!

I was back and forth between this and the Hawks, but one thing I will say is that it should have been 5-0 real quick with ASU  getting the ball back

Yeah they caught a break on that PANK return. 

Chandler Harnsich made some nice plays.  He may well become the NFL's next Drew Stenson!
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on January 09, 2012, 09:15:52 AM
LSU!
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Tinker to Evers to Chance on January 09, 2012, 10:54:17 PM
That game was all kinds of awful.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Eli on January 10, 2012, 08:03:05 AM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on January 09, 2012, 10:54:17 PM
That game was all kinds of awful.

College sports are terrible.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on January 10, 2012, 08:21:04 AM
College sports are not terrible.

But that football game last night was some of the worst coaching I've seen since Miles got here.  Holy crap, he didn't even try to adjust his offense.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on January 10, 2012, 08:29:09 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 10, 2012, 08:03:05 AM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on January 09, 2012, 10:54:17 PM
That game was all kinds of awful.

College sports are terrible.

This. Especially college football. Its system for finding a champion is replicated only by boxing, and I don't know if I can definitively say which sport is more crooked. Maybe LSU and Alabama should play for a national title, but the lack of a tournament sucks. I'm sure the game enjoyed nice ratings in Montgomery, Birmingham and New Orleans, but for me the Bulls-Pistons game gave me a much higher entertainment value -- and it was a 24-point blowout!

There were three games at the Superdome in the past week. The Saints-Lions game wasn't even the best NFL game that weekend, yet it was better-played, more entertaining, more honest, and more relevant to a true championship than last night's game.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Gilgamesh on January 10, 2012, 08:32:05 AM
Quote from: Brownie on January 10, 2012, 08:29:09 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 10, 2012, 08:03:05 AM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on January 09, 2012, 10:54:17 PM
That game was all kinds of awful.

College sports are terrible.

This. Especially college football. Its system for finding a champion is replicated only by boxing, and I don't know if I can definitively say which sport is more crooked. Maybe LSU and Alabama should play for a national title, but the lack of a tournament sucks. I'm sure the game enjoyed nice ratings in Montgomery, Birmingham and New Orleans, but for me the Bulls-Pistons game gave me a much higher entertainment value -- and it was a 24-point blowout!

There were three games at the Superdome in the past week. The Saints-Lions game wasn't even the best NFL game that weekend, yet it was better-played, more entertaining, more honest, and more relevant to a true championship than last night's game.

Agreed.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BH on January 10, 2012, 10:22:06 AM
Quote from: Brownie on January 10, 2012, 08:29:09 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 10, 2012, 08:03:05 AM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on January 09, 2012, 10:54:17 PM
That game was all kinds of awful.

College sports are terrible.

This. Especially college football. Its system for finding a champion is replicated only by boxing, and I don't know if I can definitively say which sport is more crooked. Maybe LSU and Alabama should play for a national title, but the lack of a tournament sucks. I'm sure the game enjoyed nice ratings in Montgomery, Birmingham and New Orleans, but for me the Bulls-Pistons game gave me a much higher entertainment value -- and it was a 24-point blowout!

There were three games at the Superdome in the past week. The Saints-Lions game wasn't even the best NFL game that weekend, yet it was better-played, more entertaining, more honest, and more relevant to a true championship than last night's game.

How are football games honest? Did you mean sincere?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on January 10, 2012, 11:10:37 AM
Quote from: BH on January 10, 2012, 10:22:06 AM
Quote from: Brownie on January 10, 2012, 08:29:09 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 10, 2012, 08:03:05 AM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on January 09, 2012, 10:54:17 PM
That game was all kinds of awful.

College sports are terrible.

This. Especially college football. Its system for finding a champion is replicated only by boxing, and I don't know if I can definitively say which sport is more crooked. Maybe LSU and Alabama should play for a national title, but the lack of a tournament sucks. I'm sure the game enjoyed nice ratings in Montgomery, Birmingham and New Orleans, but for me the Bulls-Pistons game gave me a much higher entertainment value -- and it was a 24-point blowout!

There were three games at the Superdome in the past week. The Saints-Lions game wasn't even the best NFL game that weekend, yet it was better-played, more entertaining, more honest, and more relevant to a true championship than last night's game.

How are football games honest? Did you mean sincere?


Perhaps he meant that during the NFL game nobody claimed that the players were amatuer student-athletes who play for the love of their school and the wonderful education they are getting and don't need anything else.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: SKO on January 11, 2012, 08:47:23 AM
Quote from: CT III on January 10, 2012, 11:10:37 AM
Quote from: BH on January 10, 2012, 10:22:06 AM
Quote from: Brownie on January 10, 2012, 08:29:09 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 10, 2012, 08:03:05 AM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on January 09, 2012, 10:54:17 PM
That game was all kinds of awful.

College sports are terrible.

This. Especially college football. Its system for finding a champion is replicated only by boxing, and I don't know if I can definitively say which sport is more crooked. Maybe LSU and Alabama should play for a national title, but the lack of a tournament sucks. I'm sure the game enjoyed nice ratings in Montgomery, Birmingham and New Orleans, but for me the Bulls-Pistons game gave me a much higher entertainment value -- and it was a 24-point blowout!

There were three games at the Superdome in the past week. The Saints-Lions game wasn't even the best NFL game that weekend, yet it was better-played, more entertaining, more honest, and more relevant to a true championship than last night's game.

How are football games honest? Did you mean sincere?


Perhaps he meant that during the NFL game nobody claimed that the players were amatuer student-athletes who play for the love of their school and the wonderful education they are getting and don't need anything else.

Agreed. We should just have Gil predict the college football top 25 every year at the beginning of the season and leave it at that. It's be no less accurate than the current system.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Gilgamesh on January 11, 2012, 09:03:25 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 11, 2012, 08:47:23 AM
Quote from: CT III on January 10, 2012, 11:10:37 AM
Quote from: BH on January 10, 2012, 10:22:06 AM
Quote from: Brownie on January 10, 2012, 08:29:09 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 10, 2012, 08:03:05 AM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on January 09, 2012, 10:54:17 PM
That game was all kinds of awful.

College sports are terrible.

This. Especially college football. Its system for finding a champion is replicated only by boxing, and I don't know if I can definitively say which sport is more crooked. Maybe LSU and Alabama should play for a national title, but the lack of a tournament sucks. I'm sure the game enjoyed nice ratings in Montgomery, Birmingham and New Orleans, but for me the Bulls-Pistons game gave me a much higher entertainment value -- and it was a 24-point blowout!

There were three games at the Superdome in the past week. The Saints-Lions game wasn't even the best NFL game that weekend, yet it was better-played, more entertaining, more honest, and more relevant to a true championship than last night's game.

How are football games honest? Did you mean sincere?


Perhaps he meant that during the NFL game nobody claimed that the players were amatuer student-athletes who play for the love of their school and the wonderful education they are getting and don't need anything else.

Agreed. We should just have Gil predict the college football top 25 every year at the beginning of the season and leave it at that. It's be no less accurate than the current system.

Would I need a giant lock or a comically oversized shoe? Maybe something different?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on January 11, 2012, 09:25:54 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on January 11, 2012, 09:03:25 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 11, 2012, 08:47:23 AM
Quote from: CT III on January 10, 2012, 11:10:37 AM
Quote from: BH on January 10, 2012, 10:22:06 AM
Quote from: Brownie on January 10, 2012, 08:29:09 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 10, 2012, 08:03:05 AM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on January 09, 2012, 10:54:17 PM
That game was all kinds of awful.

College sports are terrible.

This. Especially college football. Its system for finding a champion is replicated only by boxing, and I don't know if I can definitively say which sport is more crooked. Maybe LSU and Alabama should play for a national title, but the lack of a tournament sucks. I'm sure the game enjoyed nice ratings in Montgomery, Birmingham and New Orleans, but for me the Bulls-Pistons game gave me a much higher entertainment value -- and it was a 24-point blowout!

There were three games at the Superdome in the past week. The Saints-Lions game wasn't even the best NFL game that weekend, yet it was better-played, more entertaining, more honest, and more relevant to a true championship than last night's game.

How are football games honest? Did you mean sincere?


Perhaps he meant that during the NFL game nobody claimed that the players were amatuer student-athletes who play for the love of their school and the wonderful education they are getting and don't need anything else.

Agreed. We should just have Gil predict the college football top 25 every year at the beginning of the season and leave it at that. It's be no less accurate than the current system.

Would I need a giant lock or a comically oversized shoe? Maybe something different?

Both. The former for your list of the teams most likely to make the BCS bowls and the latter for your list of the teams most likely to underachieve.

(I know it sounds like a lot of work to write two lists, but don't fret. The teams will mostly be the same on both.)
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on January 11, 2012, 09:32:55 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on January 11, 2012, 09:25:54 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on January 11, 2012, 09:03:25 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 11, 2012, 08:47:23 AM
Quote from: CT III on January 10, 2012, 11:10:37 AM
Quote from: BH on January 10, 2012, 10:22:06 AM
Quote from: Brownie on January 10, 2012, 08:29:09 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 10, 2012, 08:03:05 AM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on January 09, 2012, 10:54:17 PM
That game was all kinds of awful.

College sports are terrible.

This. Especially college football. Its system for finding a champion is replicated only by boxing, and I don't know if I can definitively say which sport is more crooked. Maybe LSU and Alabama should play for a national title, but the lack of a tournament sucks. I'm sure the game enjoyed nice ratings in Montgomery, Birmingham and New Orleans, but for me the Bulls-Pistons game gave me a much higher entertainment value -- and it was a 24-point blowout!

There were three games at the Superdome in the past week. The Saints-Lions game wasn't even the best NFL game that weekend, yet it was better-played, more entertaining, more honest, and more relevant to a true championship than last night's game.

How are football games honest? Did you mean sincere?


Perhaps he meant that during the NFL game nobody claimed that the players were amatuer student-athletes who play for the love of their school and the wonderful education they are getting and don't need anything else.

Agreed. We should just have Gil predict the college football top 25 every year at the beginning of the season and leave it at that. It's be no less accurate than the current system.

Would I need a giant lock or a comically oversized shoe? Maybe something different?

Both. The former for your list of the teams most likely to make the BCS bowls and the latter for your list of the teams most likely to underachieve.

(I know it sounds like a lot of work to write two lists, but don't fret. The teams will mostly be the same on both.)

Also, we need your pick for Attorney General.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on January 11, 2012, 09:47:21 AM
Quote from: CT III on January 11, 2012, 09:32:55 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on January 11, 2012, 09:25:54 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on January 11, 2012, 09:03:25 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 11, 2012, 08:47:23 AM
Quote from: CT III on January 10, 2012, 11:10:37 AM
Quote from: BH on January 10, 2012, 10:22:06 AM
Quote from: Brownie on January 10, 2012, 08:29:09 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 10, 2012, 08:03:05 AM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on January 09, 2012, 10:54:17 PM
That game was all kinds of awful.

College sports are terrible.

This. Especially college football. Its system for finding a champion is replicated only by boxing, and I don't know if I can definitively say which sport is more crooked. Maybe LSU and Alabama should play for a national title, but the lack of a tournament sucks. I'm sure the game enjoyed nice ratings in Montgomery, Birmingham and New Orleans, but for me the Bulls-Pistons game gave me a much higher entertainment value -- and it was a 24-point blowout!

There were three games at the Superdome in the past week. The Saints-Lions game wasn't even the best NFL game that weekend, yet it was better-played, more entertaining, more honest, and more relevant to a true championship than last night's game.

How are football games honest? Did you mean sincere?


Perhaps he meant that during the NFL game nobody claimed that the players were amatuer student-athletes who play for the love of their school and the wonderful education they are getting and don't need anything else.

Agreed. We should just have Gil predict the college football top 25 every year at the beginning of the season and leave it at that. It's be no less accurate than the current system.

Would I need a giant lock or a comically oversized shoe? Maybe something different?

Both. The former for your list of the teams most likely to make the BCS bowls and the latter for your list of the teams most likely to underachieve.

(I know it sounds like a lot of work to write two lists, but don't fret. The teams will mostly be the same on both.)

Also, we need your pick for Attorney General.

Can we just extend Eric Holder and Janet Reno bids to next year's Orange Bowl and call it a day?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on January 21, 2012, 10:57:27 PM
http://www.isjoepaternodead.com/
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on January 22, 2012, 09:32:02 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on January 21, 2012, 10:57:27 PM
http://www.isjoepaternodead.com/

Confirmed. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/alert/chi-01222012-paterno-story,0,317477.story)
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Quality Start Machine on January 23, 2012, 09:37:54 AM

Penn State football touched a lot of people?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Internet Apex on January 23, 2012, 10:41:29 AM
Quote from: Fork on January 23, 2012, 09:37:54 AM

Penn State football touched a lot of people?

Yes.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on February 06, 2012, 04:45:48 PM
The Big 10 serves notice to the BCS: You are done and we're taking the money for ourselves.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-big-ten-idea-a-college-football-playoff-with-home-games-20120206,0,6394971,full.story
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on February 06, 2012, 05:55:45 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 06, 2012, 04:45:48 PM
The Big 10 serves notice to the BCS: You are done and we're taking the money for ourselves.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-big-ten-idea-a-college-football-playoff-with-home-games-20120206,0,6394971,full.story

"The Big Ten is open and curious."

(Well, until graduation at least.)
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: PenPho on February 07, 2012, 03:45:23 PM
Seriously, just eat a gun already you sick fuck. (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/02/jerry_sandusky_accused_of_watc.html)

Quote
Pennsylvania state prosecutors are seeking changes in Jerry Sandusky's bail conditions after getting complaints he's been watching children in a nearby schoolyard from the back porch of his home, where he's on house arrest awaiting trial on child molestation charges.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: flannj on February 07, 2012, 04:18:22 PM
Quote from: PenPho on February 07, 2012, 03:45:23 PM
Seriously, just eat a gun already you sick fuck. (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/02/jerry_sandusky_accused_of_watc.html)

Quote
Pennsylvania state prosecutors are seeking changes in Jerry Sandusky's bail conditions after getting complaints he's been watching children in a nearby schoolyard from the back porch of his home, where he's on house arrest awaiting trial on child molestation charges.


And more. (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2012/02/07/bloomberg_articlesLZ1EU00D9L3501-LZ1LC.DTL)

QuoteSandusky, who is under home confinement, asked the court last month to amend his bail conditions. He's seeking permission to have supervised visits with his grandchildren in his home and to leave his residence to assist his attorneys in locating potential defense witnesses.

In a separate filing today, prosecutors asked the court to alter Sandusky's bail terms to prevent him from leaving the confines of his home without his supervising electronic- monitoring officer.

The state also asked the court to deny his request for visits with his grandchildren, saying that the wife of Sandusky's son Matthew Sandusky "strenuously" objects to her three children having contact with the former coach. Prosecutors cited concerns for the safety of children from an elementary school adjacent to Sandusky's house.

Sandusky "should be in jail," prosecutors said in the filing. "He has been granted the privilege of being confined in his own home. House arrest is not meant to be a house party."


Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CBStew on February 07, 2012, 05:03:22 PM
Quote from: flannj on February 07, 2012, 04:18:22 PM
Quote from: PenPho on February 07, 2012, 03:45:23 PM
Seriously, just eat a gun already you sick fuck. (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/02/jerry_sandusky_accused_of_watc.html)

Quote
Pennsylvania state prosecutors are seeking changes in Jerry Sandusky's bail conditions after getting complaints he's been watching children in a nearby schoolyard from the back porch of his home, where he's on house arrest awaiting trial on child molestation charges.


And more. (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2012/02/07/bloomberg_articlesLZ1EU00D9L3501-LZ1LC.DTL)

QuoteSandusky, who is under home confinement, asked the court last month to amend his bail conditions. He's seeking permission to have supervised visits with his grandchildren in his home and to leave his residence to assist his attorneys in locating potential defense witnesses.

In a separate filing today, prosecutors asked the court to alter Sandusky's bail terms to prevent him from leaving the confines of his home without his supervising electronic- monitoring officer.

The state also asked the court to deny his request for visits with his grandchildren, saying that the wife of Sandusky's son Matthew Sandusky "strenuously" objects to her three children having contact with the former coach. Prosecutors cited concerns for the safety of children from an elementary school adjacent to Sandusky's house.

Sandusky "should be in jail," prosecutors said in the filing. "He has been granted the privilege of being confined in his own home. House arrest is not meant to be a house party."




What's this "presumption of innocence" b.s.?  We want to start punishing him before he is convicted.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Quality Start Machine on February 08, 2012, 08:24:38 AM
Quote from: PenPho on February 07, 2012, 03:45:23 PM
Seriously, just eat a gun already you sick fuck. (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/02/jerry_sandusky_accused_of_watc.html)

Quote
Pennsylvania state prosecutors are seeking changes in Jerry Sandusky's bail conditions after getting complaints he's been watching children in a nearby schoolyard from the back porch of his home, where he's on house arrest awaiting trial on child molestation charges.


fuck yeah. I've never had 3 hits in a year.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on February 08, 2012, 08:26:14 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 08, 2012, 08:24:38 AM
Quote from: PenPho on February 07, 2012, 03:45:23 PM
Seriously, just eat a gun already you sick fuck. (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/02/jerry_sandusky_accused_of_watc.html)

Quote
Pennsylvania state prosecutors are seeking changes in Jerry Sandusky's bail conditions after getting complaints he's been watching children in a nearby schoolyard from the back porch of his home, where he's on house arrest awaiting trial on child molestation charges.


fuck yeah. I've never had 3 hits in a year.

If it doesn't end with a self-inflicted shotgun blast, I'll be disappointed.  Otherwise I would gladly begrudge you the points.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on February 08, 2012, 08:39:46 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 08, 2012, 08:26:14 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 08, 2012, 08:24:38 AM
Quote from: PenPho on February 07, 2012, 03:45:23 PM
Seriously, just eat a gun already you sick fuck. (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/02/jerry_sandusky_accused_of_watc.html)

Quote
Pennsylvania state prosecutors are seeking changes in Jerry Sandusky's bail conditions after getting complaints he's been watching children in a nearby schoolyard from the back porch of his home, where he's on house arrest awaiting trial on child molestation charges.


fuck yeah. I've never had 3 hits in a year.

If it doesn't end with a self-inflicted shotgun blast, I'll be disappointed.  Otherwise I would gladly begrudge you the points.

He can take his enabling wife with him, too.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BH on February 08, 2012, 11:47:41 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 08, 2012, 08:39:46 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 08, 2012, 08:26:14 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 08, 2012, 08:24:38 AM
Quote from: PenPho on February 07, 2012, 03:45:23 PM
Seriously, just eat a gun already you sick fuck. (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/02/jerry_sandusky_accused_of_watc.html)

Quote
Pennsylvania state prosecutors are seeking changes in Jerry Sandusky's bail conditions after getting complaints he's been watching children in a nearby schoolyard from the back porch of his home, where he's on house arrest awaiting trial on child molestation charges.


fuck yeah. I've never had 3 hits in a year.

If it doesn't end with a self-inflicted shotgun blast, I'll be disappointed.  Otherwise I would gladly begrudge you the points.

He can take his enabling wife with him, too.

I'm thoroughly convinced Sandusky will walk, when this is all said and done. People in Penn don't seem to care about the victims, and Sandusky's innocence would mean Paterno was right all along.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BH on May 09, 2012, 12:42:59 PM
McQuery is suing Penn State now, saying he should be paid money for whistleblowing.  (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/150724365.html?cmpid=15585797) And even better, his lawyer's name is actually Elliott Strokoff.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on June 13, 2012, 01:21:08 PM
Well, it sounds like the State's case against Jerry Sandusky might actually be going better than we all expected.  Meanwhile, the discovery in the perjury case has been going swimmingly:

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/06/11/documents-reveal-secret-file-regarding-sandusky-sex-abuse/

Quotedocuments obtained by KDKA-TV investigators, the Attorney General's Office indicates former vice president Schultz kept a secret file with allegations regarding Sandusky and sex abuse. This comes after an NBC report alleges Spanier did not report alleged abuse because it would be humane to Sandusky to not report the matter

QuoteSources close to the investigation confirm both e-mails in the file kept by Schultz as well as e-mails found in computer data indicate high-ranking Penn State officials, including Spanier, Schultz and former athletic director Tim Curley, knew about an alleged sexual assault that took place in the Penn State locker room shower.


QuoteThose documents filed by the Attorney General's office late Monday indicate Schultz told so many lies in his Grand Jury testimony that it was impossible to respond to each and every one of them.

May god have no mercy on their souls.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on June 13, 2012, 01:26:50 PM
How do you impeach a governor in Pennsylvania?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on June 13, 2012, 01:32:42 PM
Quote from: CT III on June 13, 2012, 01:21:08 PM
Well, it sounds like the State's case against Jerry Sandusky might actually be going better than we all expected.

Did anyone other than BH really think Sandusky was going to go free on this?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on June 13, 2012, 02:05:16 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 13, 2012, 01:32:42 PM
Quote from: CT III on June 13, 2012, 01:21:08 PM
Well, it sounds like the State's case against Jerry Sandusky might actually be going better than we all expected.

Did anyone other than BH really think Sandusky was going to go free on this?

Dan Bernstein?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Gilgamesh on June 13, 2012, 02:12:50 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 13, 2012, 02:05:16 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 13, 2012, 01:32:42 PM
Quote from: CT III on June 13, 2012, 01:21:08 PM
Well, it sounds like the State's case against Jerry Sandusky might actually be going better than we all expected.

Did anyone other than BH really think Sandusky was going to go free on this?

Dan Bernstein?

He still may; it only takes one juror.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: thehawk on June 13, 2012, 02:35:23 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 13, 2012, 02:12:50 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 13, 2012, 02:05:16 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 13, 2012, 01:32:42 PM
Quote from: CT III on June 13, 2012, 01:21:08 PM
Well, it sounds like the State's case against Jerry Sandusky might actually be going better than we all expected.

Did anyone other than BH really think Sandusky was going to go free on this?

Dan Bernstein?

He still may; it only takes one juror.


.... to turn this into a Federal Mann Act case that gets tried in Columbus Ohio. 
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: PenPho on June 13, 2012, 02:52:06 PM
Quote from: thehawk on June 13, 2012, 02:35:23 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 13, 2012, 02:12:50 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 13, 2012, 02:05:16 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 13, 2012, 01:32:42 PM
Quote from: CT III on June 13, 2012, 01:21:08 PM
Well, it sounds like the State's case against Jerry Sandusky might actually be going better than we all expected.

Did anyone other than BH really think Sandusky was going to go free on this?

Dan Bernstein?

He still may; it only takes one juror.


.... to turn this into a Federal Mann Act case that gets tried in Columbus Ohio. 

....where he can have BH break him out of prison.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Slaky on June 13, 2012, 03:10:09 PM
Quote from: PenPho on June 13, 2012, 02:52:06 PM
Quote from: thehawk on June 13, 2012, 02:35:23 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 13, 2012, 02:12:50 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 13, 2012, 02:05:16 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 13, 2012, 01:32:42 PM
Quote from: CT III on June 13, 2012, 01:21:08 PM
Well, it sounds like the State's case against Jerry Sandusky might actually be going better than we all expected.

Did anyone other than BH really think Sandusky was going to go free on this?

Dan Bernstein?

He still may; it only takes one juror.


.... to turn this into a Federal Mann Act case that gets tried in Columbus Ohio. 

....where he can have BH break him out of prison.

BH: "Come on, Jerry! Let's go! This way to freedom...what? No we can't stop to shower."
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BH on June 13, 2012, 03:17:45 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 13, 2012, 03:10:09 PM
Quote from: PenPho on June 13, 2012, 02:52:06 PM
Quote from: thehawk on June 13, 2012, 02:35:23 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 13, 2012, 02:12:50 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 13, 2012, 02:05:16 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 13, 2012, 01:32:42 PM
Quote from: CT III on June 13, 2012, 01:21:08 PM
Well, it sounds like the State's case against Jerry Sandusky might actually be going better than we all expected.

Did anyone other than BH really think Sandusky was going to go free on this?

Dan Bernstein?

He still may; it only takes one juror.


.... to turn this into a Federal Mann Act case that gets tried in Columbus Ohio. 

....where he can have BH break him out of prison.

BH: "Come on, Jerry! Let's go! This way to freedom...what? No we can't stop to shower."

I'm still convinced one dumbass penn juror will say Jerry wasn't guilty of anything.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on June 13, 2012, 03:50:55 PM
Quote from: BH on June 13, 2012, 03:17:45 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 13, 2012, 03:10:09 PM
Quote from: PenPho on June 13, 2012, 02:52:06 PM
Quote from: thehawk on June 13, 2012, 02:35:23 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 13, 2012, 02:12:50 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 13, 2012, 02:05:16 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 13, 2012, 01:32:42 PM
Quote from: CT III on June 13, 2012, 01:21:08 PM
Well, it sounds like the State's case against Jerry Sandusky might actually be going better than we all expected.

Did anyone other than BH really think Sandusky was going to go free on this?

Dan Bernstein?

He still may; it only takes one juror.


.... to turn this into a Federal Mann Act case that gets tried in Columbus Ohio. 

....where he can have BH break him out of prison.

BH: "Come on, Jerry! Let's go! This way to freedom...what? No we can't stop to shower."

I'm still convinced one dumbass penn juror will say Jerry wasn't guilty of anything.

This is reasonable. I'm not going to gloat and assume that this case is over like some dopey Lebron hater after Game 5 of the 2012 NBA Eastern Conference Finals.  I wouldn't be so quick to underestimate the cultish hive-mind of Penn State Nation, no matter how clear this case seems to us normals.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on June 13, 2012, 04:26:48 PM
Quote from: BH on June 13, 2012, 03:17:45 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 13, 2012, 03:10:09 PM
Quote from: PenPho on June 13, 2012, 02:52:06 PM
Quote from: thehawk on June 13, 2012, 02:35:23 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 13, 2012, 02:12:50 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 13, 2012, 02:05:16 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 13, 2012, 01:32:42 PM
Quote from: CT III on June 13, 2012, 01:21:08 PM
Well, it sounds like the State's case against Jerry Sandusky might actually be going better than we all expected.

Did anyone other than BH really think Sandusky was going to go free on this?

Dan Bernstein?

He still may; it only takes one juror.


.... to turn this into a Federal Mann Act case that gets tried in Columbus Ohio. 

....where he can have BH break him out of prison.

BH: "Come on, Jerry! Let's go! This way to freedom...what? No we can't stop to shower."

I'm still convinced one dumbass penn juror will say Jerry wasn't guilty of anything.

Did Capt. Oveur help Sandusky's legal team pick the jury?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: PenPho on June 13, 2012, 04:35:35 PM
Quote from: PANK! on June 13, 2012, 03:50:55 PM
Quote from: BH on June 13, 2012, 03:17:45 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 13, 2012, 03:10:09 PM
Quote from: PenPho on June 13, 2012, 02:52:06 PM
Quote from: thehawk on June 13, 2012, 02:35:23 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 13, 2012, 02:12:50 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 13, 2012, 02:05:16 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 13, 2012, 01:32:42 PM
Quote from: CT III on June 13, 2012, 01:21:08 PM
Well, it sounds like the State's case against Jerry Sandusky might actually be going better than we all expected.

Did anyone other than BH really think Sandusky was going to go free on this?

Dan Bernstein?

He still may; it only takes one juror.


.... to turn this into a Federal Mann Act case that gets tried in Columbus Ohio. 

....where he can have BH break him out of prison.

BH: "Come on, Jerry! Let's go! This way to freedom...what? No we can't stop to shower."

I'm still convinced one dumbass penn juror will say Jerry wasn't guilty of anything.

This is reasonable. I'm not going to gloat and assume that this case is over like some dopey Lebron hater after Game 5 of the 2012 NBA Eastern Conference Finals.  I wouldn't be so quick to underestimate the cultish hive-mind of Penn State Nation, no matter how clear this case seems to us normals.

I like that you keep trying to get mileage out of that 1 NBA game you watched in the past decade.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Internet Apex on June 13, 2012, 04:44:03 PM
Quote from: PenPho on June 13, 2012, 04:35:35 PM
Quote from: PANK! on June 13, 2012, 03:50:55 PM
Quote from: BH on June 13, 2012, 03:17:45 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 13, 2012, 03:10:09 PM
Quote from: PenPho on June 13, 2012, 02:52:06 PM
Quote from: thehawk on June 13, 2012, 02:35:23 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 13, 2012, 02:12:50 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 13, 2012, 02:05:16 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 13, 2012, 01:32:42 PM
Quote from: CT III on June 13, 2012, 01:21:08 PM
Well, it sounds like the State's case against Jerry Sandusky might actually be going better than we all expected.

Did anyone other than BH really think Sandusky was going to go free on this?

Dan Bernstein?

He still may; it only takes one juror.


.... to turn this into a Federal Mann Act case that gets tried in Columbus Ohio. 

....where he can have BH break him out of prison.

BH: "Come on, Jerry! Let's go! This way to freedom...what? No we can't stop to shower."

I'm still convinced one dumbass penn juror will say Jerry wasn't guilty of anything.

This is reasonable. I'm not going to gloat and assume that this case is over like some dopey Lebron hater after Game 5 of the 2012 NBA Eastern Conference Finals.  I wouldn't be so quick to underestimate the cultish hive-mind of Penn State Nation, no matter how clear this case seems to us normals.

I like that you keep trying to get mileage out of that 1 NBA game you watched in the past decade.

I'd rather read a post by a guy who watched one and understood what happened than someone who watched 72 this year and didn't. Not namin' any names or nothin'.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on June 13, 2012, 04:55:13 PM
Quote from: PenPho on June 13, 2012, 04:35:35 PM
Quote from: PANK! on June 13, 2012, 03:50:55 PM
Quote from: BH on June 13, 2012, 03:17:45 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 13, 2012, 03:10:09 PM
Quote from: PenPho on June 13, 2012, 02:52:06 PM
Quote from: thehawk on June 13, 2012, 02:35:23 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 13, 2012, 02:12:50 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 13, 2012, 02:05:16 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 13, 2012, 01:32:42 PM
Quote from: CT III on June 13, 2012, 01:21:08 PM
Well, it sounds like the State's case against Jerry Sandusky might actually be going better than we all expected.

Did anyone other than BH really think Sandusky was going to go free on this?

Dan Bernstein?

He still may; it only takes one juror.


.... to turn this into a Federal Mann Act case that gets tried in Columbus Ohio. 

....where he can have BH break him out of prison.

BH: "Come on, Jerry! Let's go! This way to freedom...what? No we can't stop to shower."

I'm still convinced one dumbass penn juror will say Jerry wasn't guilty of anything.

This is reasonable. I'm not going to gloat and assume that this case is over like some dopey Lebron hater after Game 5 of the 2012 NBA Eastern Conference Finals.  I wouldn't be so quick to underestimate the cultish hive-mind of Penn State Nation, no matter how clear this case seems to us normals.

I like that you keep trying to get mileage out of that 1 NBA game you watched in the past decade.

You must have me mistaken for someone else.  I haven't watched any one entire NBA game in the last decade.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on June 13, 2012, 05:35:21 PM
Quote from: PANK! on June 13, 2012, 04:55:13 PM
Quote from: PenPho on June 13, 2012, 04:35:35 PM
Quote from: PANK! on June 13, 2012, 03:50:55 PM
Quote from: BH on June 13, 2012, 03:17:45 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 13, 2012, 03:10:09 PM
Quote from: PenPho on June 13, 2012, 02:52:06 PM
Quote from: thehawk on June 13, 2012, 02:35:23 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 13, 2012, 02:12:50 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 13, 2012, 02:05:16 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 13, 2012, 01:32:42 PM
Quote from: CT III on June 13, 2012, 01:21:08 PM
Well, it sounds like the State's case against Jerry Sandusky might actually be going better than we all expected.

Did anyone other than BH really think Sandusky was going to go free on this?

Dan Bernstein?

He still may; it only takes one juror.


.... to turn this into a Federal Mann Act case that gets tried in Columbus Ohio. 

....where he can have BH break him out of prison.

BH: "Come on, Jerry! Let's go! This way to freedom...what? No we can't stop to shower."

I'm still convinced one dumbass penn juror will say Jerry wasn't guilty of anything.

This is reasonable. I'm not going to gloat and assume that this case is over like some dopey Lebron hater after Game 5 of the 2012 NBA Eastern Conference Finals.  I wouldn't be so quick to underestimate the cultish hive-mind of Penn State Nation, no matter how clear this case seems to us normals.

I like that you keep trying to get mileage out of that 1 NBA game you watched in the past decade.

You must have me mistaken for someone else.  I haven't watched any one entire NBA game in the last decade.

The important thing is that he's watched enough of some games to be able to tell people to SIT THE FUCK DOWN and stop being so melodramatic when rooting for the Bulls sans D Rose.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Shooter on June 13, 2012, 07:33:40 PM
Quote from: PANK! on June 13, 2012, 03:50:55 PM
Quote from: BH on June 13, 2012, 03:17:45 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 13, 2012, 03:10:09 PM
Quote from: PenPho on June 13, 2012, 02:52:06 PM
Quote from: thehawk on June 13, 2012, 02:35:23 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 13, 2012, 02:12:50 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 13, 2012, 02:05:16 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 13, 2012, 01:32:42 PM
Quote from: CT III on June 13, 2012, 01:21:08 PM
Well, it sounds like the State's case against Jerry Sandusky might actually be going better than we all expected.

Did anyone other than BH really think Sandusky was going to go free on this?

Dan Bernstein?

He still may; it only takes one juror.


.... to turn this into a Federal Mann Act case that gets tried in Columbus Ohio. 

....where he can have BH break him out of prison.

BH: "Come on, Jerry! Let's go! This way to freedom...what? No we can't stop to shower."

I'm still convinced one dumbass penn juror will say Jerry wasn't guilty of anything.

This is reasonable. I'm not going to gloat and assume that this case is over like some dopey Lebron hater after Game 5 of the 2012 NBA Eastern Conference Finals.  I wouldn't be so quick to underestimate the cultish hive-mind of Penn State Nation, no matter how clear this case seems to us normals.

I think a Penn State connection would make them more apt to string him up -- he sullied the name of JOEPA and PSU.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on June 13, 2012, 10:58:28 PM
Quote from: Shooter on June 13, 2012, 07:33:40 PM
Quote from: PANK! on June 13, 2012, 03:50:55 PM
Quote from: BH on June 13, 2012, 03:17:45 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 13, 2012, 03:10:09 PM
Quote from: PenPho on June 13, 2012, 02:52:06 PM
Quote from: thehawk on June 13, 2012, 02:35:23 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 13, 2012, 02:12:50 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 13, 2012, 02:05:16 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 13, 2012, 01:32:42 PM
Quote from: CT III on June 13, 2012, 01:21:08 PM
Well, it sounds like the State's case against Jerry Sandusky might actually be going better than we all expected.

Did anyone other than BH really think Sandusky was going to go free on this?

Dan Bernstein?

He still may; it only takes one juror.


.... to turn this into a Federal Mann Act case that gets tried in Columbus Ohio. 

....where he can have BH break him out of prison.

BH: "Come on, Jerry! Let's go! This way to freedom...what? No we can't stop to shower."

I'm still convinced one dumbass penn juror will say Jerry wasn't guilty of anything.

This is reasonable. I'm not going to gloat and assume that this case is over like some dopey Lebron hater after Game 5 of the 2012 NBA Eastern Conference Finals.  I wouldn't be so quick to underestimate the cultish hive-mind of Penn State Nation, no matter how clear this case seems to us normals.

I think a Penn State connection would make them more apt to string him up -- he sullied the name of JOEPA and PSU.

That's what I'm hoping, but as has been pointed out, it only takes 1 PSU zealot to snarl this up.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Internet Apex on June 14, 2012, 08:37:01 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 13, 2012, 10:58:28 PM
Quote from: Shooter on June 13, 2012, 07:33:40 PM
Quote from: PANK! on June 13, 2012, 03:50:55 PM
Quote from: BH on June 13, 2012, 03:17:45 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 13, 2012, 03:10:09 PM
Quote from: PenPho on June 13, 2012, 02:52:06 PM
Quote from: thehawk on June 13, 2012, 02:35:23 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 13, 2012, 02:12:50 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 13, 2012, 02:05:16 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 13, 2012, 01:32:42 PM
Quote from: CT III on June 13, 2012, 01:21:08 PM
Well, it sounds like the State's case against Jerry Sandusky might actually be going better than we all expected.

Did anyone other than BH really think Sandusky was going to go free on this?

Dan Bernstein?

He still may; it only takes one juror.


.... to turn this into a Federal Mann Act case that gets tried in Columbus Ohio. 

....where he can have BH break him out of prison.

BH: "Come on, Jerry! Let's go! This way to freedom...what? No we can't stop to shower."

I'm still convinced one dumbass penn juror will say Jerry wasn't guilty of anything.

This is reasonable. I'm not going to gloat and assume that this case is over like some dopey Lebron hater after Game 5 of the 2012 NBA Eastern Conference Finals.  I wouldn't be so quick to underestimate the cultish hive-mind of Penn State Nation, no matter how clear this case seems to us normals.

I think a Penn State connection would make them more apt to string him up -- he sullied the name of JOEPA and PSU.

That's what I'm hoping, but as has been pointed out, it only takes 1 PSU zealot to snarl this up.

If their program doesn't get the death penalty, I can only hope they'll be the most hated team in all of college football for years to come. I would like to see how their people deal with the decline that's now inevitable on the field. May shit rain down on them all each and every Saturday in the fall.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: PenPho on June 15, 2012, 12:49:26 PM
Quote from: Shooter on June 13, 2012, 07:33:40 PM
Quote from: PANK! on June 13, 2012, 03:50:55 PM
Quote from: BH on June 13, 2012, 03:17:45 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 13, 2012, 03:10:09 PM
Quote from: PenPho on June 13, 2012, 02:52:06 PM
Quote from: thehawk on June 13, 2012, 02:35:23 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 13, 2012, 02:12:50 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 13, 2012, 02:05:16 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 13, 2012, 01:32:42 PM
Quote from: CT III on June 13, 2012, 01:21:08 PM
Well, it sounds like the State's case against Jerry Sandusky might actually be going better than we all expected.

Did anyone other than BH really think Sandusky was going to go free on this?

Dan Bernstein?

He still may; it only takes one juror.


.... to turn this into a Federal Mann Act case that gets tried in Columbus Ohio. 

....where he can have BH break him out of prison.

BH: "Come on, Jerry! Let's go! This way to freedom...what? No we can't stop to shower."

I'm still convinced one dumbass penn juror will say Jerry wasn't guilty of anything.

This is reasonable. I'm not going to gloat and assume that this case is over like some dopey Lebron hater after Game 5 of the 2012 NBA Eastern Conference Finals.  I wouldn't be so quick to underestimate the cultish hive-mind of Penn State Nation, no matter how clear this case seems to us normals.

I think a Penn State connection would make them more apt to string him up -- he sullied the name of JOEPA and PSU.

This is what I kept (and keep) thinking, yet the only supporters seem to continue be the PSU folks.

As if Sandusky's possible exoneration would show how horribly unjust everyone treated PSU and Paterno. 
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on June 22, 2012, 09:11:46 PM
GUILTY - 45 out of 48 counts.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/06/jerry_sandusky_verdict_sandusk.html

Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on June 22, 2012, 09:53:26 PM
Quote from: CT III on June 22, 2012, 09:11:46 PM
GUILTY - 45 out of 48 counts.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/06/jerry_sandusky_verdict_sandusk.html



Good riddance. Enjoy prison, Jerry!
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on June 22, 2012, 10:19:59 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 22, 2012, 09:53:26 PM
Quote from: CT III on June 22, 2012, 09:11:46 PM
GUILTY - 45 out of 48 counts.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/06/jerry_sandusky_verdict_sandusk.html



Good riddance. Enjoy prison, Jerry!

(http://images.wikia.com/scpcontainmentbreach/images/d/db/Hooray.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on June 22, 2012, 10:48:26 PM
Faith in humanity: restored...for now.

Not happily after after--lots of lives irreversibly and unnecessarily damaged here--but I'm at least glad the cult of PENN STATE FOOTBAW didn't win the day.  My only allowance for Sandusky would be if he, himself, was often diddled as a child but, lacking that, burn in hades, fucko.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Internet Apex on June 23, 2012, 08:54:25 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 22, 2012, 10:48:26 PM
Faith in humanity: restored...for now.

Not happily after after--lots of lives irreversibly and unnecessarily damaged here--but I'm at least glad the cult of PENN STATE FOOTBAW didn't win the day.  My only allowance for Sandusky would be if he, himself, was often diddled as a child but, lacking that, burn in hades, fucko.

I will root against the Heat with the fire of a thousand suns from now on. Should be some fun rational butthurt to carry out.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on June 23, 2012, 09:45:15 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 22, 2012, 10:48:26 PM
Faith in humanity: restored...for now.

Not happily after after--lots of lives irreversibly and unnecessarily damaged here--but I'm at least glad the cult of PENN STATE FOOTBAW didn't win the day.  My only allowance for Sandusky would be if he, himself, was often diddled as a child but, lacking that, burn in hades, fucko.

Since PENN STATE FOOTBAW made grown men abdicate their responsibilities to protect innocent children, PENN STATE FOOTBAW should be taken away and, maybe, someday rebuilt as an institution that doesn't root for child rape, just for the novelty of it. Death penalty for three years, five scholarships in Year 4, adding more each year on a probationary basis. Death penalty becomes permanent if anything that could fit under a broad definition of "Paterno praise" is uttered by anyone at the program. Who's with me?

Or maybe just napalm the entire state. Nothing is off the table.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on June 23, 2012, 10:11:46 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 23, 2012, 09:45:15 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 22, 2012, 10:48:26 PM
Faith in humanity: restored...for now.

Not happily after after--lots of lives irreversibly and unnecessarily damaged here--but I'm at least glad the cult of PENN STATE FOOTBAW didn't win the day.  My only allowance for Sandusky would be if he, himself, was often diddled as a child but, lacking that, burn in hades, fucko.

Since PENN STATE FOOTBAW made grown men abdicate their responsibilities to protect innocent children, PENN STATE FOOTBAW should be taken away and, maybe, someday rebuilt as an institution that doesn't root for child rape, just for the novelty of it. Death penalty for three years, five scholarships in Year 4, adding more each year on a probationary basis. Death penalty becomes permanent if anything that could fit under a broad definition of "Paterno praise" is uttered by anyone at the program. Who's with me?

Or maybe just napalm the entire state. Nothing is off the table.

Well, it's not over until the Paterno Family weighs in:

QuoteAlthough we understand the task of healing is just beginning, today's verdict is an important milestone. The community owes a measure of gratitude to the jurors for their diligent service. Our thoughts and prayers continue to be with the victims and their families.

Yeah, if there's one thing that had me really concerned, it was how the Penn State community would be able heal itself after all those years of actively sheltering or simply looking the other way while Jerry Sandusky raped kids.  Now, he's going to jail and everything can just go back the way it was.  Well, except that those bastards in the media killed JOEPA.

Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on June 23, 2012, 10:23:26 AM
Quote from: CT III on June 23, 2012, 10:11:46 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 23, 2012, 09:45:15 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 22, 2012, 10:48:26 PM
Faith in humanity: restored...for now.

Not happily after after--lots of lives irreversibly and unnecessarily damaged here--but I'm at least glad the cult of PENN STATE FOOTBAW didn't win the day.  My only allowance for Sandusky would be if he, himself, was often diddled as a child but, lacking that, burn in hades, fucko.

Since PENN STATE FOOTBAW made grown men abdicate their responsibilities to protect innocent children, PENN STATE FOOTBAW should be taken away and, maybe, someday rebuilt as an institution that doesn't root for child rape, just for the novelty of it. Death penalty for three years, five scholarships in Year 4, adding more each year on a probationary basis. Death penalty becomes permanent if anything that could fit under a broad definition of "Paterno praise" is uttered by anyone at the program. Who's with me?

Or maybe just napalm the entire state. Nothing is off the table.

Well, it's not over until the Paterno Family weighs in:

QuoteAlthough we understand the task of healing is just beginning, today's verdict is an important milestone. The community owes a measure of gratitude to the jurors for their diligent service. Our thoughts and prayers continue to be with the victims and their families.

Yeah, if there's one thing that had me really concerned, it was how the Penn State community would be able heal itself after all those years of actively sheltering or simply looking the other way while Jerry Sandusky raped kids.  Now, he's going to jail and everything can just go back the way it was.  Well, except that those bastards in the media killed JOEPA.


Those are some special people who feel that way.

And I think napalming the state is extreme.  A little credit to the jurors who in making the right verdict proved their state's not entirely retarded.

Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on June 23, 2012, 10:52:46 AM
Quote from: CT III on June 23, 2012, 10:11:46 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 23, 2012, 09:45:15 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 22, 2012, 10:48:26 PM
Faith in humanity: restored...for now.

Not happily after after--lots of lives irreversibly and unnecessarily damaged here--but I'm at least glad the cult of PENN STATE FOOTBAW didn't win the day.  My only allowance for Sandusky would be if he, himself, was often diddled as a child but, lacking that, burn in hades, fucko.

Since PENN STATE FOOTBAW made grown men abdicate their responsibilities to protect innocent children, PENN STATE FOOTBAW should be taken away and, maybe, someday rebuilt as an institution that doesn't root for child rape, just for the novelty of it. Death penalty for three years, five scholarships in Year 4, adding more each year on a probationary basis. Death penalty becomes permanent if anything that could fit under a broad definition of "Paterno praise" is uttered by anyone at the program. Who's with me?

Or maybe just napalm the entire state. Nothing is off the table.

Well, it's not over until the Paterno Family weighs in:

QuoteAlthough we understand the task of healing is just beginning, today's verdict is an important milestone. The community owes a measure of gratitude to the jurors for their diligent service. Our thoughts and prayers continue to be with the victims and their families.

Yeah, if there's one thing that had me really concerned, it was how the Penn State community would be able heal itself after all those years of actively sheltering or simply looking the other way while Jerry Sandusky raped kids.  Now, he's going to jail and everything can just go back the way it was.  Well, except that those bastards in the media killed JOEPA.



On. The. Table. But I do agree, there may be hope for Pedovania yet.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Shooter on June 23, 2012, 12:44:16 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 23, 2012, 08:54:25 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 22, 2012, 10:48:26 PM
Faith in humanity: restored...for now.

Not happily after after--lots of lives irreversibly and unnecessarily damaged here--but I'm at least glad the cult of PENN STATE FOOTBAW didn't win the day.  My only allowance for Sandusky would be if he, himself, was often diddled as a child but, lacking that, burn in hades, fucko.

I will root against the Heat with the fire of a thousand suns from now on. Should be some fun rational butthurt to carry out.
Jerry Sandusky coached for the Heat too?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Internet Apex on June 24, 2012, 10:30:25 PM
Quote from: Shooter on June 23, 2012, 12:44:16 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 23, 2012, 08:54:25 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 22, 2012, 10:48:26 PM
Faith in humanity: restored...for now.

Not happily after after--lots of lives irreversibly and unnecessarily damaged here--but I'm at least glad the cult of PENN STATE FOOTBAW didn't win the day.  My only allowance for Sandusky would be if he, himself, was often diddled as a child but, lacking that, burn in hades, fucko.

I will root against the Heat with the fire of a thousand suns from now on. Should be some fun rational butthurt to carry out.
Jerry Sandusky coached for the Heat too?

I have no fucking clue what I was doing there. I didn't sleep alot last week and went a little more batshit than usual. Happens.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on June 27, 2012, 10:08:48 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 23, 2012, 10:23:26 AM
Quote from: CT III on June 23, 2012, 10:11:46 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 23, 2012, 09:45:15 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 22, 2012, 10:48:26 PM
Faith in humanity: restored...for now.

Not happily after after--lots of lives irreversibly and unnecessarily damaged here--but I'm at least glad the cult of PENN STATE FOOTBAW didn't win the day.  My only allowance for Sandusky would be if he, himself, was often diddled as a child but, lacking that, burn in hades, fucko.

Since PENN STATE FOOTBAW made grown men abdicate their responsibilities to protect innocent children, PENN STATE FOOTBAW should be taken away and, maybe, someday rebuilt as an institution that doesn't root for child rape, just for the novelty of it. Death penalty for three years, five scholarships in Year 4, adding more each year on a probationary basis. Death penalty becomes permanent if anything that could fit under a broad definition of "Paterno praise" is uttered by anyone at the program. Who's with me?

Or maybe just napalm the entire state. Nothing is off the table.

Well, it's not over until the Paterno Family weighs in:

QuoteAlthough we understand the task of healing is just beginning, today's verdict is an important milestone. The community owes a measure of gratitude to the jurors for their diligent service. Our thoughts and prayers continue to be with the victims and their families.

Yeah, if there's one thing that had me really concerned, it was how the Penn State community would be able heal itself after all those years of actively sheltering or simply looking the other way while Jerry Sandusky raped kids.  Now, he's going to jail and everything can just go back the way it was.  Well, except that those bastards in the media killed JOEPA.


Those are some special people who feel that way.

And I think napalming the state is extreme.  A little credit to the jurors who in making the right verdict proved their state's not entirely retarded.

I'm still not sure why anyone (BH) thought the jury would let Sandusky off.

I mean, yeah... If that organ bag Paterno were going to trial with Schultz and Curley instead of salting the earth of Spring Creek Presbyterian Cemetery right now, I'd probably lay pretty big odds on a "not guilty" verdict for that addled old coot. But Sandusky?

Did people really think that Penn Staters loved Paterno so much that they'd be willing to acquit a child rapist just because Paterno went to his grave still not understanding what the big deal was about said child rapist's child raping?

I mean has there been anyone out there defending Jerry Sandusky besides Dottie Sandusky?

Even his shitty lawyers seem to figure that, yeah, Jerry probably raped those kids.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on June 27, 2012, 10:23:00 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 27, 2012, 10:08:48 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 23, 2012, 10:23:26 AM
Quote from: CT III on June 23, 2012, 10:11:46 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 23, 2012, 09:45:15 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 22, 2012, 10:48:26 PM
Faith in humanity: restored...for now.

Not happily after after--lots of lives irreversibly and unnecessarily damaged here--but I'm at least glad the cult of PENN STATE FOOTBAW didn't win the day.  My only allowance for Sandusky would be if he, himself, was often diddled as a child but, lacking that, burn in hades, fucko.

Since PENN STATE FOOTBAW made grown men abdicate their responsibilities to protect innocent children, PENN STATE FOOTBAW should be taken away and, maybe, someday rebuilt as an institution that doesn't root for child rape, just for the novelty of it. Death penalty for three years, five scholarships in Year 4, adding more each year on a probationary basis. Death penalty becomes permanent if anything that could fit under a broad definition of "Paterno praise" is uttered by anyone at the program. Who's with me?

Or maybe just napalm the entire state. Nothing is off the table.

Well, it's not over until the Paterno Family weighs in:

QuoteAlthough we understand the task of healing is just beginning, today's verdict is an important milestone. The community owes a measure of gratitude to the jurors for their diligent service. Our thoughts and prayers continue to be with the victims and their families.

Yeah, if there's one thing that had me really concerned, it was how the Penn State community would be able heal itself after all those years of actively sheltering or simply looking the other way while Jerry Sandusky raped kids.  Now, he's going to jail and everything can just go back the way it was.  Well, except that those bastards in the media killed JOEPA.


Those are some special people who feel that way.

And I think napalming the state is extreme.  A little credit to the jurors who in making the right verdict proved their state's not entirely retarded.

I'm still not sure why anyone (BH) thought the jury would let Sandusky off.

I mean, yeah... If that organ bag Paterno were going to trial with Schultz and Curley instead of salting the earth of Spring Creek Presbyterian Cemetery right now, I'd probably lay pretty big odds on a "not guilty" verdict for that addled old coot. But Sandusky?

Did people really think that Penn Staters loved Paterno so much that they'd be willing to acquit a child rapist just because Paterno went to his grave still not understanding what the big deal was about said child rapist's child raping?

I mean has there been anyone out there defending Jerry Sandusky besides Dottie Sandusky?

Even his shitty lawyers seem to figure that, yeah, Jerry probably raped those kids.

I don't know that anybody confidently said the jury would let Sandusky go, just that it was a possibility.  What's wrong with that?

The ramifications from this verdict--which will slowly come to fruition-- will likely (and rightly) und-do Paterno's entire legacy, and I don't think you'd ignore that there is a relatively sizeable cult-like following around Paterno with warped values that would consider that the most important thing.  Yes, even more important than hundreds of innocent lives shattered thanks to Sandusky's rapeyness.  I don't think it's outside the realm of conceivability that there could have been one or more of these people who found themselves on the jury.  Clearly, that's not how it played out, but after having watched the behavior of many of these people between the arrest and the trial, I'd say that to just assume that they'd do the right thing is as naive as it is cynical to assume that they wouldn't.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Yeti on June 27, 2012, 10:36:40 AM
Let's talk about fun stuff, like the new playoff coming.  BONER
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on June 27, 2012, 10:42:56 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 27, 2012, 10:23:00 AM
I don't know that anybody confidently said the jury would let Sandusky go, just that it was a possibility.

Quote from: BH on February 08, 2012, 11:47:41 AM
I'm thoroughly convinced Sandusky will walk, when this is all said and done. People in Penn don't seem to care about the victims, and Sandusky's innocence would mean Paterno was right all along.

Quote from: BH on June 13, 2012, 03:17:45 PM
I'm still convinced one dumbass penn juror will say Jerry wasn't guilty of anything.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BH on June 27, 2012, 10:53:20 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 27, 2012, 10:42:56 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 27, 2012, 10:23:00 AM
I don't know that anybody confidently said the jury would let Sandusky go, just that it was a possibility.

Quote from: BH on February 08, 2012, 11:47:41 AM
I'm thoroughly convinced Sandusky will walk, when this is all said and done. People in Penn don't seem to care about the victims, and Sandusky's innocence would mean Paterno was right all along.

Quote from: BH on June 13, 2012, 03:17:45 PM
I'm still convinced one dumbass penn juror will say Jerry wasn't guilty of anything.

I'm still shocked they found the tickle monster guilty.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on June 27, 2012, 11:06:37 AM
Quote from: BH on June 27, 2012, 10:53:20 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 27, 2012, 10:42:56 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 27, 2012, 10:23:00 AM
I don't know that anybody confidently said the jury would let Sandusky go, just that it was a possibility.

Quote from: BH on February 08, 2012, 11:47:41 AM
I'm thoroughly convinced Sandusky will walk, when this is all said and done. People in Penn don't seem to care about the victims, and Sandusky's innocence would mean Paterno was right all along.

Quote from: BH on June 13, 2012, 03:17:45 PM
I'm still convinced one dumbass penn juror will say Jerry wasn't guilty of anything.

I'm still shocked they found the tickle monster guilty.

"Tickle Monster" makes me laugh.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Quality Start Machine on June 27, 2012, 01:08:56 PM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on June 27, 2012, 10:36:40 AM
Let's talk about fun stuff, like the new playoff coming.  BONER

Or the first 3-loss team being crowned National Champion. BONER
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Yeti on June 27, 2012, 01:23:39 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 27, 2012, 01:08:56 PM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on June 27, 2012, 10:36:40 AM
Let's talk about fun stuff, like the new playoff coming.  BONER

Or the first 3-loss team being crowned National Champion. BONER

There hasn't been a 3 loss team in the top 4 of the BCS in the last 14 years.... So what was the point again?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Quality Start Machine on June 27, 2012, 01:27:22 PM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on June 27, 2012, 01:23:39 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 27, 2012, 01:08:56 PM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on June 27, 2012, 10:36:40 AM
Let's talk about fun stuff, like the new playoff coming.  BONER

Or the first 3-loss team being crowned National Champion. BONER

There hasn't been a 3 loss team in the top 4 of the BCS in the last 14 years.... So what was the point again?

How long do you actually expect it to be 4 teams?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on June 27, 2012, 01:33:42 PM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on June 27, 2012, 01:23:39 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 27, 2012, 01:08:56 PM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on June 27, 2012, 10:36:40 AM
Let's talk about fun stuff, like the new playoff coming.  BONER

Or the first 3-loss team being crowned National Champion. BONER

There hasn't been a 3 loss team in the top 4 of the BCS in the last 14 years.... So what was the point again?

Fork is lamenting the day when they inevitably expand to 8, then 12, then 16, then 24, and probably eventually 32 teams, which would inevitably force the playoff to start around Thanksgiving weekend giving you a slate of 16 games from Wednesday night through the Saturday after Thanksgiving. You'll then have a few decent games every weekend culminating with a Final Four on New Year's Day and a championship game the week after. And when that 3-loss team wins, they'll have three somewhat fluky losses against top tier opponents and then they'll have won five playoff games.

To me, that would be glorious. Had Gordon Hayward made that half-court shot against Duke in 2010, would moan "Oh this sucks, a Horizon League team that lost to a couple shitty teams along the way won the national championship?" Or would they note that the current college football season is a pile of shit because the national championship is decided less on what happens on the field than on what happens off of it.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Internet Apex on June 27, 2012, 01:40:32 PM
Quote from: Brownie on June 27, 2012, 01:33:42 PM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on June 27, 2012, 01:23:39 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 27, 2012, 01:08:56 PM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on June 27, 2012, 10:36:40 AM
Let's talk about fun stuff, like the new playoff coming.  BONER

Or the first 3-loss team being crowned National Champion. BONER

There hasn't been a 3 loss team in the top 4 of the BCS in the last 14 years.... So what was the point again?

Fork is lamenting the day when they inevitably expand to 8, then 12, then 16, then 24, and probably eventually 32 teams, which would inevitably force the playoff to start around Thanksgiving weekend giving you a slate of 16 games from Wednesday night through the Saturday after Thanksgiving. You'll then have a few decent games every weekend culminating with a Final Four on New Year's Day and a championship game the week after. And when that 3-loss team wins, they'll have three somewhat fluky losses against top tier opponents and then they'll have won five playoff games.

To me, that would be glorious. Had Gordon Hayward made that half-court shot against Duke in 2010, would moan "Oh this sucks, a Horizon League team that lost to a couple shitty teams along the way won the national championship?" Or would they note that the current college football season is a pile of shit because the national championship is decided less on what happens on the field than on what happens off of it.

What happens off of it is tantamount to raping a child.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: thehawk on June 27, 2012, 03:50:46 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 27, 2012, 01:08:56 PM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on June 27, 2012, 10:36:40 AM
Let's talk about fun stuff, like the new playoff coming.  BONER

Or the first 3-loss team being crowned National Champion. BONER

Why should we talk about 1981?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_football_national_championships_in_NCAA_Division_I_FBS
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Armchair_QB on June 27, 2012, 06:16:28 PM
I'd like to congratulate the commissioners for coming up with a playoff system that illinois will never qualify for.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on June 27, 2012, 06:38:06 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on June 27, 2012, 06:16:28 PM
I'd like to congratulate the commissioners for coming up with a playoff system that illinois will never qualify for.

Really?  Because that doesn't seem too hard.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Bort on June 27, 2012, 08:59:43 PM
Quote from: CT III on June 27, 2012, 06:38:06 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on June 27, 2012, 06:16:28 PM
I'd like to congratulate the commissioners for coming up with a playoff system that illinois will never qualify for.

Really?  Because that doesn't seem too hard.

I admit it. I LOLed.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Bort on June 27, 2012, 09:01:28 PM
Quote from: thehawk on June 27, 2012, 03:50:46 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 27, 2012, 01:08:56 PM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on June 27, 2012, 10:36:40 AM
Let's talk about fun stuff, like the new playoff coming.  BONER

Or the first 3-loss team being crowned National Champion. BONER

Why should we talk about 1981?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_football_national_championships_in_NCAA_Division_I_FBS


YOU LEAVE THE CLEMSON TIGERS ALONE.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on June 27, 2012, 09:46:31 PM
Quote from: Bort on June 27, 2012, 09:01:28 PM
Quote from: thehawk on June 27, 2012, 03:50:46 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 27, 2012, 01:08:56 PM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on June 27, 2012, 10:36:40 AM
Let's talk about fun stuff, like the new playoff coming.  BONER

Or the first 3-loss team being crowned National Champion. BONER

Why should we talk about 1981?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_football_national_championships_in_NCAA_Division_I_FBS


YOU LEAVE THE CLEMSON TIGERS ALONE.

Clemson?  Bah.  GO GAMECOCKS!!!
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Tinker to Evers to Chance on June 28, 2012, 08:14:17 AM
Quote from: CT III on June 27, 2012, 09:46:31 PM
Quote from: Bort on June 27, 2012, 09:01:28 PM
Quote from: thehawk on June 27, 2012, 03:50:46 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 27, 2012, 01:08:56 PM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on June 27, 2012, 10:36:40 AM
Let's talk about fun stuff, like the new playoff coming.  BONER

Or the first 3-loss team being crowned National Champion. BONER

Why should we talk about 1981?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_football_national_championships_in_NCAA_Division_I_FBS


YOU LEAVE THE CLEMSON TIGERS ALONE.

Clemson?  Bah.  GO GAMECOCKS!!!

We all know that Bort is really a Wofford Terriers fan.  [/PenFoe]
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: PenPho on June 28, 2012, 11:59:56 AM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on June 28, 2012, 08:14:17 AM
Quote from: CT III on June 27, 2012, 09:46:31 PM
Quote from: Bort on June 27, 2012, 09:01:28 PM
Quote from: thehawk on June 27, 2012, 03:50:46 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 27, 2012, 01:08:56 PM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on June 27, 2012, 10:36:40 AM
Let's talk about fun stuff, like the new playoff coming.  BONER

Or the first 3-loss team being crowned National Champion. BONER

Why should we talk about 1981?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_football_national_championships_in_NCAA_Division_I_FBS


YOU LEAVE THE CLEMSON TIGERS ALONE.

Clemson?  Bah.  GO GAMECOCKS!!!

We all know that Bort is really a Wofford Terriers fan.  [/PenFoe]

If only he could find the stadium.

Stupid fogged-up glasses.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Quality Start Machine on July 08, 2012, 04:43:16 PM
http://throwtheflagblog.com/2012/07/08/an-sec-coach-actually-wrote-this-to-a-recruit/ (http://throwtheflagblog.com/2012/07/08/an-sec-coach-actually-wrote-this-to-a-recruit/)

Awesome.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Internet Apex on July 09, 2012, 12:42:56 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 08, 2012, 04:43:16 PM
http://throwtheflagblog.com/2012/07/08/an-sec-coach-actually-wrote-this-to-a-recruit/ (http://throwtheflagblog.com/2012/07/08/an-sec-coach-actually-wrote-this-to-a-recruit/)

Awesome.

8-year-olds, dude.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on July 09, 2012, 03:55:02 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 09, 2012, 12:42:56 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 08, 2012, 04:43:16 PM
http://throwtheflagblog.com/2012/07/08/an-sec-coach-actually-wrote-this-to-a-recruit/ (http://throwtheflagblog.com/2012/07/08/an-sec-coach-actually-wrote-this-to-a-recruit/)

Awesome.

8-year-olds, dude.

I haven't clicked on the link...we still talking about Sandusky?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Internet Apex on July 09, 2012, 09:55:44 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 09, 2012, 03:55:02 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 09, 2012, 12:42:56 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 08, 2012, 04:43:16 PM
http://throwtheflagblog.com/2012/07/08/an-sec-coach-actually-wrote-this-to-a-recruit/ (http://throwtheflagblog.com/2012/07/08/an-sec-coach-actually-wrote-this-to-a-recruit/)

Awesome.

8-year-olds, dude.

I haven't clicked on the link...we still talking about Sandusky?

No. Some other weirdo not nearly as disgusting.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Gilgamesh on July 09, 2012, 10:41:54 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 09, 2012, 09:55:44 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 09, 2012, 03:55:02 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 09, 2012, 12:42:56 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 08, 2012, 04:43:16 PM
http://throwtheflagblog.com/2012/07/08/an-sec-coach-actually-wrote-this-to-a-recruit/ (http://throwtheflagblog.com/2012/07/08/an-sec-coach-actually-wrote-this-to-a-recruit/)

Awesome.

8-year-olds, dude.

I haven't clicked on the link...we still talking about Sandusky?

No. Some other weirdo not nearly as disgusting.

Kurt?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Internet Apex on July 09, 2012, 12:11:43 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on July 09, 2012, 10:41:54 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 09, 2012, 09:55:44 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 09, 2012, 03:55:02 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 09, 2012, 12:42:56 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 08, 2012, 04:43:16 PM
http://throwtheflagblog.com/2012/07/08/an-sec-coach-actually-wrote-this-to-a-recruit/ (http://throwtheflagblog.com/2012/07/08/an-sec-coach-actually-wrote-this-to-a-recruit/)

Awesome.

8-year-olds, dude.

I haven't clicked on the link...we still talking about Sandusky?

No. Some other weirdo not nearly as disgusting.

Kurt?

Possibly.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: BH on July 12, 2012, 08:42:23 AM
Shocking news, PSU knew about Sandusky all along. I am waiting for Jay Paterno's response though, to see how it plays out.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on July 12, 2012, 09:18:32 AM
Quote from: BH on July 12, 2012, 08:42:23 AM
Shocking news, PSU knew about Sandusky all along. I am waiting for Jay Paterno's response though, to see how it plays out.

I'm having trouble hearing ya. I've never heard of rape and a man.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on July 12, 2012, 09:37:35 AM
http://thefreehreportonpsu.com/
http://thefreehreportonpsu.com/Press_Release_07_12_12.pdf
http://thefreehreportonpsu.com/REPORT_FINAL_071212.pdf
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Internet Apex on July 12, 2012, 09:38:16 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 12, 2012, 09:37:35 AM
http://thefreehreportonpsu.com/
http://thefreehreportonpsu.com/Press_Release_07_12_12.pdf
http://thefreehreportonpsu.com/REPORT_FINAL_071212.pdf

Which one of those is the Cliff Notes version?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on July 12, 2012, 09:44:38 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 12, 2012, 09:38:16 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 12, 2012, 09:37:35 AM
http://thefreehreportonpsu.com/
http://thefreehreportonpsu.com/Press_Release_07_12_12.pdf
http://thefreehreportonpsu.com/REPORT_FINAL_071212.pdf

Which one of those is the Cliff Notes version?

The second link is a 7-page press release containing Louis Freeh's full prepared remarks from today's press conference. Pages 4-7 cover their findings and recommendations.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on July 12, 2012, 09:56:34 AM
From Freeh's remarks:

QuoteOur most saddening and sobering finding is the total disregard for the safety and welfare of Sandusky's child victims by the most senior leaders at Penn State. The most powerful men at Penn State failed to take any steps for 14 years to protect the children who Sandusky victimized. Messrs. Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley never demonstrated, through actions or words, any concern for the safety and well-being of Sandusky's victims until after Sandusky's arrest.

In critical written correspondence that we uncovered on March 20th of this year, we see evidence of their proposed plan of action in February 2001 that included reporting allegations about Sandusky to the authorities. After Mr. Curley consulted with Mr. Paterno, however, they changed the plan and decided not to make a report to the authorities. Their failure to protect the February 9, 2001 child victim, or make attempts to identify him, created a dangerous situation for other unknown, unsuspecting young boys who were lured to the Penn State campus and football games by Sandusky and victimized repeatedly by him.

Further, they exposed this child to additional harm by alerting Sandusky, who was the only one who knew the child's identity, about what McQueary saw in the shower on the night of February 9, 2001.

The stated reasons by Messrs. Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley for not taking action to identify the victim and for not reporting Sandusky to the police or Child Welfare are:

(1) Through counsel, Messrs. Curley and Schultz have stated that the "humane" thing to do in 2001 was to carefully and responsibly assess the best way to handle vague but troubling allegations.

(2) Mr. Paterno said that "I didn't know exactly how to handle it and I was afraid to do something that might jeopardize what the university procedure was. So I backed away and turned it over to some other people, people I thought would have a little more expertise than I did. It didn't work out that way."

(3) Mr. Spanier told the Special Investigative Counsel that he was never told by anyone that the February 2001 incident in the shower involved the sexual abuse of a child but only "horsing around." He further stated that he never asked what "horsing around" by Sandusky entailed.

Taking into account the available witness statements and evidence, it is more reasonable to conclude that, in order to avoid the consequences of bad publicity, the most powerful leaders at Penn State University – Messrs. Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley – repeatedly concealed critical facts relating to Sandusky's child abuse from the authorities, the Board of Trustees, Penn State community, and the public at large. Although concern to treat the child abuser humanely was expressly stated, no such sentiments were ever expressed by them for Sandusky's victims.

The evidence shows that these four men also knew about a 1998 criminal investigation of Sandusky relating to suspected sexual misconduct with a young boy in a Penn State football locker room shower. Again, they showed no concern about that victim. The evidence shows that Mr. Paterno was made aware of the 1998 investigation of Sandusky, followed it closely, but failed to take any action, even though Sandusky had been a key member of his coaching staff for almost 30 years, and had an office just steps away from Mr. Paterno's. At the very least, Mr. Paterno could have alerted the entire football staff, in order to prevent Sandusky from bringing another child into the Lasch Building. Messrs. Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley also failed to alert the Board of Trustees about the 1998 investigation or take any further action against Mr. Sandusky. None of them even spoke to Sandusky about his conduct. In short, nothing was done and Sandusky was allowed to continue with impunity.

Based on the evidence, the only known, intervening factor between the decision made on February 25, 2001 by Messrs. Spanier, Curley and Schulz to report the incident to the Department of Public Welfare, and then agreeing not to do so on February 27th, was Mr. Paterno's February 26th conversation with Mr. Curley.

...
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on July 12, 2012, 10:27:28 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 12, 2012, 09:56:34 AM
From Freeh's remarks:

QuoteOur most saddening and sobering finding is the total disregard for the safety and welfare of Sandusky's child victims by the most senior leaders at Penn State. The most powerful men at Penn State failed to take any steps for 14 years to protect the children who Sandusky victimized. Messrs. Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley never demonstrated, through actions or words, any concern for the safety and well-being of Sandusky's victims until after Sandusky's arrest.

In critical written correspondence that we uncovered on March 20th of this year, we see evidence of their proposed plan of action in February 2001 that included reporting allegations about Sandusky to the authorities. After Mr. Curley consulted with Mr. Paterno, however, they changed the plan and decided not to make a report to the authorities. Their failure to protect the February 9, 2001 child victim, or make attempts to identify him, created a dangerous situation for other unknown, unsuspecting young boys who were lured to the Penn State campus and football games by Sandusky and victimized repeatedly by him.

Further, they exposed this child to additional harm by alerting Sandusky, who was the only one who knew the child's identity, about what McQueary saw in the shower on the night of February 9, 2001.

The stated reasons by Messrs. Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley for not taking action to identify the victim and for not reporting Sandusky to the police or Child Welfare are:

(1) Through counsel, Messrs. Curley and Schultz have stated that the "humane" thing to do in 2001 was to carefully and responsibly assess the best way to handle vague but troubling allegations.

(2) Mr. Paterno said that "I didn't know exactly how to handle it and I was afraid to do something that might jeopardize what the university procedure was. So I backed away and turned it over to some other people, people I thought would have a little more expertise than I did. It didn't work out that way."

(3) Mr. Spanier told the Special Investigative Counsel that he was never told by anyone that the February 2001 incident in the shower involved the sexual abuse of a child but only "horsing around." He further stated that he never asked what "horsing around" by Sandusky entailed.

Taking into account the available witness statements and evidence, it is more reasonable to conclude that, in order to avoid the consequences of bad publicity, the most powerful leaders at Penn State University – Messrs. Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley – repeatedly concealed critical facts relating to Sandusky's child abuse from the authorities, the Board of Trustees, Penn State community, and the public at large. Although concern to treat the child abuser humanely was expressly stated, no such sentiments were ever expressed by them for Sandusky's victims.

The evidence shows that these four men also knew about a 1998 criminal investigation of Sandusky relating to suspected sexual misconduct with a young boy in a Penn State football locker room shower. Again, they showed no concern about that victim. The evidence shows that Mr. Paterno was made aware of the 1998 investigation of Sandusky, followed it closely, but failed to take any action, even though Sandusky had been a key member of his coaching staff for almost 30 years, and had an office just steps away from Mr. Paterno's. At the very least, Mr. Paterno could have alerted the entire football staff, in order to prevent Sandusky from bringing another child into the Lasch Building. Messrs. Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley also failed to alert the Board of Trustees about the 1998 investigation or take any further action against Mr. Sandusky. None of them even spoke to Sandusky about his conduct. In short, nothing was done and Sandusky was allowed to continue with impunity.

Based on the evidence, the only known, intervening factor between the decision made on February 25, 2001 by Messrs. Spanier, Curley and Schulz to report the incident to the Department of Public Welfare, and then agreeing not to do so on February 27th, was Mr. Paterno's February 26th conversation with Mr. Curley.

...

Load the napalm. Fuel up the aircraft.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on July 12, 2012, 10:38:04 AM
Somewhere in all this, the NCAA opened an investigation into Penn State, correct?  Is there any way the school doesn't get the death penalty?  And if not, how does the NCAA justify it?

Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on July 12, 2012, 10:52:34 AM
Quote from: CT III on July 12, 2012, 10:38:04 AM
Somewhere in all this, the NCAA opened an investigation into Penn State, correct?  Is there any way the school doesn't get the death penalty?  And if not, how does the NCAA justify it?

The NCAA...

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2012/07/ncaa-statement-penn-state-freeh-report/1

QuoteLike everyone else, we are reviewing the final report for the first time today. As President Emmert wrote in his November 17th letter to Penn State President Rodney Erickson and reiterated this week, the university has four key questions, concerning compliance with institutional control and ethics policies, to which it now needs to respond. Penn State's response to the letter will inform our next steps, including whether or not to take further action. We expect Penn State's continued cooperation in our examination of these issues.

So the NCAA has written letters.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: SKO on July 12, 2012, 11:41:51 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 12, 2012, 10:52:34 AM
Quote from: CT III on July 12, 2012, 10:38:04 AM
Somewhere in all this, the NCAA opened an investigation into Penn State, correct?  Is there any way the school doesn't get the death penalty?  And if not, how does the NCAA justify it?

The NCAA...

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2012/07/ncaa-statement-penn-state-freeh-report/1

QuoteLike everyone else, we are reviewing the final report for the first time today. As President Emmert wrote in his November 17th letter to Penn State President Rodney Erickson and reiterated this week, the university has four key questions, concerning compliance with institutional control and ethics policies, to which it now needs to respond. Penn State's response to the letter will inform our next steps, including whether or not to take further action. We expect Penn State's continued cooperation in our examination of these issues.

So the NCAA has written letters.
Yeah, well for chrissake, I mean, no kids traded their own jerseys for tattoos or anything. Not their problem. How do YOU define institutional control?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on July 12, 2012, 11:47:18 AM
Nothing to see here, you guys. (http://mobile.philly.com/news/?wss=/philly/news/breaking/&id=162203225)
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on July 12, 2012, 02:37:54 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 12, 2012, 10:52:34 AM
Quote from: CT III on July 12, 2012, 10:38:04 AM
Somewhere in all this, the NCAA opened an investigation into Penn State, correct?  Is there any way the school doesn't get the death penalty?  And if not, how does the NCAA justify it?

The NCAA...

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2012/07/ncaa-statement-penn-state-freeh-report/1

QuoteLike everyone else, we are reviewing the final report for the first time today. As President Emmert wrote in his November 17th letter to Penn State President Rodney Erickson and reiterated this week, the university has four key questions, concerning compliance with institutional control and ethics policies, to which it now needs to respond. Penn State's response to the letter will inform our next steps, including whether or not to take further action. We expect Penn State's continued cooperation in our examination of these issues.

So the NCAA has written letters.

I am going to be optimistic here and suggest the NCAA decided just to save money and have the Freeh panel do their work for them. If I was a scholarship athlete at Penn State, I'd be making some phone calls to schools that might have some extra scholarships available for the fall, and if I'm Jim Delaney, I'd be on the phone with any remaining Big 12 teams to make the Big 10 12 again.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Quality Start Machine on July 12, 2012, 03:07:40 PM
Quote from: CT III on July 12, 2012, 10:38:04 AM
Somewhere in all this, the NCAA opened an investigation into Penn State, correct?  Is there any way the school doesn't get the death penalty?  And if not, how does the NCAA justify it?


Maybe the fact that Penn St. commissioned the Freeh report helps them avoid the DP. Maybe.

But I'm thinking they're toast, but the athletes can skip the one-year waiting period to enroll elsewhere. It'll be like college free agency.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on July 12, 2012, 03:12:42 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 12, 2012, 03:07:40 PM
Quote from: CT III on July 12, 2012, 10:38:04 AM
Somewhere in all this, the NCAA opened an investigation into Penn State, correct?  Is there any way the school doesn't get the death penalty?  And if not, how does the NCAA justify it?


Maybe the fact that Penn St. commissioned the Freeh report helps them avoid the DP. Maybe.

But I'm thinking they're toast, but the athletes can skip the one-year waiting period to enroll elsewhere. It'll be like college free agency.

Isn't that pretty much what was going on after SMU was 86'd? All the top players landed somewhere, and all the mediocre guys sort of got screwed.

I wonder if the Big Ten could make a statement by expelling Penn State from the conference. I'm sure there are some major legal considerations, but it might be fun to see what Penn State realistically could do about it in the court of public opinion. Maybe Kansas or K-State or even Miami (O.) wants to join the Big Ten.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on July 12, 2012, 03:20:50 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 12, 2012, 03:12:42 PM
Maybe Kansas or K-State or even Miami (O.) wants to join the Big Ten.

Well, the Big10 is gonna need to get to 16 somehow.  Who are the candidates?

Notre Dame
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Kansas
Kansas State
Baylor
Louisville
West Virginia
Rutgers

Texas controls its own fate. Oklahoma would probably follow Texas.  The rest?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on July 12, 2012, 04:06:58 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 12, 2012, 03:20:50 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 12, 2012, 03:12:42 PM
Maybe Kansas or K-State or even Miami (O.) wants to join the Big Ten.

Well, the Big10 is gonna need to get to 16 somehow.  Who are the candidates?

Notre Dame
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Kansas
Kansas State
Baylor
Louisville
West Virginia
Rutgers

Texas controls its own fate. Oklahoma would probably follow Texas.  The rest?

Rutgers gets it to 12. Add West Virginia and Louisville to make it 14. And then KSU and KU to make it 16.

The question I have is immediate. With the specter of PSU being killed, the Big Ten all of a sudden has a hole in its schedule. Does PSU really have any value to the conference outside of football? Isn't it a burden otherwise, with all the travel for non-revenue sports? (For example, the Iowa Nebraska women's field hockey team must LOVE the road trips to Happy Valley. (Get to Columbus, Ohio and you still have 5 more hours to go in that bus!)
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: flannj on July 12, 2012, 04:29:01 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 12, 2012, 04:06:58 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 12, 2012, 03:20:50 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 12, 2012, 03:12:42 PM
Maybe Kansas or K-State or even Miami (O.) wants to join the Big Ten.

Well, the Big10 is gonna need to get to 16 somehow.  Who are the candidates?

Notre Dame
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Kansas
Kansas State
Baylor
Louisville
West Virginia
Rutgers

Texas controls its own fate. Oklahoma would probably follow Texas.  The rest?

Does PSU really have any value to the conference outside of football?

Wrestling?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on July 12, 2012, 04:33:51 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 12, 2012, 03:12:42 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 12, 2012, 03:07:40 PM
Quote from: CT III on July 12, 2012, 10:38:04 AM
Somewhere in all this, the NCAA opened an investigation into Penn State, correct?  Is there any way the school doesn't get the death penalty?  And if not, how does the NCAA justify it?


Maybe the fact that Penn St. commissioned the Freeh report helps them avoid the DP. Maybe.

But I'm thinking they're toast, but the athletes can skip the one-year waiting period to enroll elsewhere. It'll be like college free agency.

Isn't that pretty much what was going on after SMU was 86'd? All the top players landed somewhere, and all the mediocre guys sort of got screwed.

I wonder if the Big Ten could make a statement by expelling Penn State from the conference. I'm sure there are some major legal considerations, but it might be fun to see what Penn State realistically could do about it in the court of public opinion. Maybe Kansas or K-State or even Miami (O.) wants to join the Big Ten.

Or NIU.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on July 12, 2012, 05:28:08 PM
Quote from: flannj on July 12, 2012, 04:29:01 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 12, 2012, 04:06:58 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 12, 2012, 03:20:50 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 12, 2012, 03:12:42 PM
Maybe Kansas or K-State or even Miami (O.) wants to join the Big Ten.

Well, the Big10 is gonna need to get to 16 somehow.  Who are the candidates?

Notre Dame
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Kansas
Kansas State
Baylor
Louisville
West Virginia
Rutgers

Texas controls its own fate. Oklahoma would probably follow Texas.  The rest?

Does PSU really have any value to the conference outside of football?

Wrestling?

Penn State is the crucial sixth team in the Big Ten hockey conference set to debut in 2013-14. And NCAA rules apparently require a conference to have at least 6 teams to qualify for automatic bids to any NCAA championships in any sport.

Prior to this season, the Big Ten only had 5 schools with DI men's hockey (Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State). With Penn State announcing in 2010 that their hockey program would jump from being a ACHA club team to NCAA DI as of 2012-13, folding these programs into the Big Ten became possible.

(Penn State's move ultimately precipitated a fairly major college hockey realignment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9312_NCAA_conference_realignment#Men.27s_ice_hockey), with the exodus of the Big Ten teams also leading to the birth of one new conference (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Collegiate_Hockey_Conference) and the death of another (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Collegiate_Hockey_Association).)
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: flannj on July 12, 2012, 05:28:12 PM
Quote from: PANK! on July 12, 2012, 04:33:51 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 12, 2012, 03:12:42 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 12, 2012, 03:07:40 PM
Quote from: CT III on July 12, 2012, 10:38:04 AM
Somewhere in all this, the NCAA opened an investigation into Penn State, correct?  Is there any way the school doesn't get the death penalty?  And if not, how does the NCAA justify it?


Maybe the fact that Penn St. commissioned the Freeh report helps them avoid the DP. Maybe.

But I'm thinking they're toast, but the athletes can skip the one-year waiting period to enroll elsewhere. It'll be like college free agency.

Isn't that pretty much what was going on after SMU was 86'd? All the top players landed somewhere, and all the mediocre guys sort of got screwed.

I wonder if the Big Ten could make a statement by expelling Penn State from the conference. I'm sure there are some major legal considerations, but it might be fun to see what Penn State realistically could do about it in the court of public opinion. Maybe Kansas or K-State or even Miami (O.) wants to join the Big Ten.

Or NIU.

(http://www.halloffamememorabilia.com/images/products/p-269816-ben-roethlisberger-miami-of-ohio-redhawks-bobblehead-cotg-bbhb09ncaa-roeth.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Armchair_QB on July 12, 2012, 05:32:27 PM
The NCAA isn't going to shut down Penn State's football program.

But they are fucked for a long, long time.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: flannj on July 12, 2012, 05:38:42 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on July 12, 2012, 05:32:27 PM
The NCAA isn't going to shut down Penn State's football program.

But they are fucked for a long, long time.

I can't wait for the next Minnesota / Penn State match up.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Brownie on July 12, 2012, 05:54:17 PM
Quote from: flannj on July 12, 2012, 05:38:42 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on July 12, 2012, 05:32:27 PM
The NCAA isn't going to shut down Penn State's football program.

But they are fucked for a long, long time.

I can't wait for the next Minnesota / Penn State match up.

Why? Two athletic programs with rape scandals? (http://ericthrall.com/gophers/basketball/1985-1986/)
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Internet Apex on July 12, 2012, 05:57:23 PM
Quote from: PANK! on July 12, 2012, 04:33:51 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 12, 2012, 03:12:42 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 12, 2012, 03:07:40 PM
Quote from: CT III on July 12, 2012, 10:38:04 AM
Somewhere in all this, the NCAA opened an investigation into Penn State, correct?  Is there any way the school doesn't get the death penalty?  And if not, how does the NCAA justify it?


Maybe the fact that Penn St. commissioned the Freeh report helps them avoid the DP. Maybe.

But I'm thinking they're toast, but the athletes can skip the one-year waiting period to enroll elsewhere. It'll be like college free agency.

Isn't that pretty much what was going on after SMU was 86'd? All the top players landed somewhere, and all the mediocre guys sort of got screwed.

I wonder if the Big Ten could make a statement by expelling Penn State from the conference. I'm sure there are some major legal considerations, but it might be fun to see what Penn State realistically could do about it in the court of public opinion. Maybe Kansas or K-State or even Miami (O.) wants to join the Big Ten.

Or NIU.

Or IUPUI.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on July 12, 2012, 06:47:28 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on July 12, 2012, 05:32:27 PM
The NCAA isn't going to shut down Penn State's football program.

But they are fucked for a long, long time.

Prediction noted.

Here's the letter from the NCAA to PSU mentioned earlier, from last November (PDF). (http://www.psu.edu/ur/2011/NCAA.pdf)

More than anything else, it establishes the grounds and rationale for any future action the NCAA might take in the matter.

After noting that the responsibility for compliance is, according to the NCAA Constitution, an institutional one, ultimately resting on an institution's president or chancellor, Emmert cites a few specific Articles and by-laws which could be grounds for institutional punishment (the lack of rules specifically prohibiting programs from covering up child rape notwithstanding).

Among which:

QuoteUnder Article 2.4, the NCAA Constitution requires that "for intercollegiate athletics to promote the character development of participants, to enhance the integrity of higher education and to promote civility in society, student-athletes, coaches, and all others associated with these athletics programs and events should adhere to such fundamental values as respect, fairness, civility, honest and responsibility. These values should be manifest not only in athletics participation, but also in the broad spectrum of activities affecting the athletics program."

QuoteIndeed, NCAA Bylaw 10.1 identifies 10 types of unethical conduct, but specifically makes clear that the list of 10 is not limited to those delineated. Among other things, that list captures the general principle of honesty embedded in Bylaw 10.01.1... While admittedly, the actions alleged to have occurred in this instance are not specifically listed in the bylaw, it is clear that deceitful and dishonest behavior can be found to be unethical conduct. Surely, the spirit of this bylaw also constrains behavior that endangers young people. To be clear, the requirement is so important that the language is repeated verbatim in Bylaw 11.1.1, governing the conduct of athletics personnel.

QuoteLastly, it is important to bring to your attention that Bylaw 19.01.2 affirmatively states that "individuals employed by or associated with member institutions for the administration, the conduct or the coaching of inter collegiate athletics are, in the final analysis, teachers of young people. Their responsibility is an affirmative one, and they must do more than avoid improper conduct or questionable acts. Their moral values must be so certain and positive that those younger and more pliable will be influenced by a fine example. Much more is expected of them than of the less critically placed citizen." This provision has been cited by enforcement in at least a half dozen major infractions cases in the past. Those who exhibit this behavior are meeting the ethical expectations of the NCAA membership. Those who do not, fail us all.

He then goes on to ask the "four key questions" noted by the NCAA's remarks on the Freeh Report today. But these seem almost more of a formality than anything:

Quote1. How has Penn State and/or its employees complied with the Articles of the Constitution and bylaws that are cited in this letter?

2. How has Penn State exercised institutional control over the issues identified in and related to the Grand Jury Report? Were there procedures in place that were or were not followed? What are the institution's expectations and policies to address the conduct that has been alleged in this matter upon discovery by any party?

3. Have each of the alleged persons to have been involved or have notice of the issues identified in and related to the Grand Jury Report behaved consistent with principles and requirements governing ethical conduct and honesty? If so, how? If not, how?

4. What policies and procedures does Penn State have in place to monitor, prevent and detect the issues identified in and related to the Grand Jury Report or to take disciplinary or corrective action if such behaviors are found?

Particularly after seeing Freeh's findings, does anyone expect Penn State to have a satisfactory response to even one of these questions?

I think the NCAA is clearly going to punish Penn State in some form over this. I think they'd be insane not to. Even if only from a PR perspective.

And I'm going to go out on an internet limb here and call this one in favor of: Death.

(http://i.imgur.com/9ldJc.png)
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on July 12, 2012, 07:35:29 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 12, 2012, 06:47:28 PM

I think the NCAA is clearly going to punish Penn State in some form over this. I think they'd be insane not to. Even if only from a PR perspective.

And I'm going to go out on an internet limb here and call this one in favor of: Death.


That's the thing, it would have to be DEATH (sorry, that's just the cat).  I mean, if this conduct doesn't justify it, then you can't use it, ever.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Armchair_QB on July 12, 2012, 07:43:35 PM
Quote from: CT III on July 12, 2012, 07:35:29 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 12, 2012, 06:47:28 PM

I think the NCAA is clearly going to punish Penn State in some form over this. I think they'd be insane not to. Even if only from a PR perspective.

And I'm going to go out on an internet limb here and call this one in favor of: Death.


That's the thing, it would have to be DEATH (sorry, that's just the cat).  I mean, if this conduct doesn't justify it, then you can't use it, ever.

Baylor basketball didn't get it when one of their guys killed a teammate so I'm not sure PSU will get it here. Plus, I believe a school has to already be on probation to be eligible for it.

What I could see them doing is some sort of financial penalty with the money being turned over to an abuse prevention group.

Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on July 12, 2012, 08:17:23 PM
Quote from: flannj on July 12, 2012, 05:28:12 PM
Quote from: PANK! on July 12, 2012, 04:33:51 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 12, 2012, 03:12:42 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 12, 2012, 03:07:40 PM
Quote from: CT III on July 12, 2012, 10:38:04 AM
Somewhere in all this, the NCAA opened an investigation into Penn State, correct?  Is there any way the school doesn't get the death penalty?  And if not, how does the NCAA justify it?


Maybe the fact that Penn St. commissioned the Freeh report helps them avoid the DP. Maybe.

But I'm thinking they're toast, but the athletes can skip the one-year waiting period to enroll elsewhere. It'll be like college free agency.

Isn't that pretty much what was going on after SMU was 86'd? All the top players landed somewhere, and all the mediocre guys sort of got screwed.

I wonder if the Big Ten could make a statement by expelling Penn State from the conference. I'm sure there are some major legal considerations, but it might be fun to see what Penn State realistically could do about it in the court of public opinion. Maybe Kansas or K-State or even Miami (O.) wants to join the Big Ten.

Or NIU.

(http://www.halloffamememorabilia.com/images/products/p-269816-ben-roethlisberger-miami-of-ohio-redhawks-bobblehead-cotg-bbhb09ncaa-roeth.jpg)

(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/1218/ncf_a_harnish_sy_576.jpg)
The Reigning Mr. Irrelevant!

Adding, I can't remember when I've been so fascinated in an ongoing development and hungry for more.  Personally, I want DEATH of course, but seeing the whole thing play out is just fucking riveting.  It's not surprising that it's bringing out some of the more stimulating conversation that this shit-for-brains site has seen lately.  As you were.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: CT III on July 12, 2012, 09:54:48 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on July 12, 2012, 07:43:35 PM

Baylor basketball didn't get it when one of their guys killed a teammate so I'm not sure PSU will get it here. Plus, I believe a school has to already be on probation to be eligible for it.

What I could see them doing is some sort of financial penalty with the money being turned over to an abuse prevention group.


Baylor's not nearly the same thing.  Ultimately, the murder had nothing to do with the violations.  The program violations were your standard drugs and alcohol and pay for play.  Where the shit went really haywire was when Bliss tried to get his players to smear Dennehy to cover up the NCAA violations.  Once the school found out, Bliss was turfed and then they were punished.

Dave Bliss is a scumbag, but he's a bug compared to these shit stains at PSU.  We're talking about the highest levels of the school administration finding out they have a pedophile inhouse, dithering about it, then asking the head football coach what to do, and then on his order covering the whole thing up for more than a decade.  Christ, Paterno was honestly going to let Sandusky KEEP HIS FUCKING JOB as long as JOEPA was still there, I guess because we could all rest easy knowing the Old Man was keeping an eye on Uncle Jer.  I'm sure everyone involved breathed a big sigh of relief when Jerry decided to take early retirement and focus his energy on his foundation for at-risk youth.  But not before they pulled some strings to get the pedo a lump-sum pension payout and unwarranted emeritus status.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on July 12, 2012, 10:46:56 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on July 12, 2012, 07:43:35 PM
Plus, I believe a school has to already be on probation to be eligible for it.

As ever, I'm no law-talking guy (and I've only really browsed the NCAA manual for a few minutes), but it doesn't look to me like that's the case...

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D1_2012_01.pdf

Page 335:

Quote19.02.2 types of violations.

19.02.2.1 Violation, Secondary. A secondary violation is a violation that is isolated or inadvertent in nature, provides or is intended to provide only a minimal recruiting, competitive or other advantage and does not include any significant impermissible benefit (including, but not limited to, an extra benefit, recruiting inducement, preferential treatment or financial aid). Multiple secondary violations by a member institution may collectively be considered as a major violation. (Revised: 1/11/94, 10/28/10)

19.02.2.2 Violation, Major. All violations other than secondary violations are major violations, specifically including those that provide an extensive recruiting or competitive advantage. (Revised: 1/11/94)

Page 338:

Quote19.5.2 Penalties for Major violations.  Penalties for a major violation shall be significantly more severe than those for a secondary violation and shall be consistent with the penalty structure and guidelines used by other regulatory committees (e.g., Division I Committee on Academic Performance). The Committee on Infractions may impose one or more of the following penalties: (Revised: 4/28/11 for any institution that receives a notice of inquiry after 4/28/11)

...

(g) Prohibition against specified competition in the sport (including, but not limited to, postseason competition, invitational tournaments and exempt contests or dates of competition, such as foreign tours or contests in Alaska or Hawaii), particularly in cases in which:
   (1) An involved individual remains employed at the institution;
   (2) A significant competitive advantage resulted from the violation;
   (3) The violation reflects a lack of institutional control, failure to monitor a program, or a violation of the cooperative principle set forth in Bylaw 32.1.4;
   (4) The violation includes findings of academic fraud; or
   (5) The institution is a repeat violator (as defined in Bylaw 19.5.2.1).

...

(l) Other penalties as appropriate.

A lot of power there under 'l'.

The repeat violator rule (19.5.2.1) does specifically prescribe "prohibition of some or all outside competition in the sport involved in the latest major violation for a prescribed period" as a possible penalty for a program found in violation within five years of a previous violation.

But it doesn't prevent the NCAA from also serving up a similar penalty in other situations if they deem it appropriate.

That is to say, the repeat violator rule isn't there to limit the use of the "death penalty", but rather to make it more likely in the particular case of a repeat violator.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on July 12, 2012, 10:52:19 PM
Quote from: CT III on July 12, 2012, 09:54:48 PM
I'm sure everyone involved breathed a big sigh of relief when Jerry decided to take early retirement and focus his energy on his foundation for at-risk youth. But not before they pulled some strings to get the pedo a lump-sum pension payout and unwarranted emeritus status.

And none of that was until after someone likely dropped a few wink-wink-nudge-nudges to let other schools know not to hire him.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Eli on July 13, 2012, 08:12:46 AM
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Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on July 13, 2012, 08:51:29 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2012, 08:12:46 AM
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I'm fine deferring to SKO to end this thread aptly.  Having it end with Joe Paterno having proven to have enabled a pederast's vast Rape Farm to thrive is not how we should remember the 2011 NCAA/Big 10 Football season...or maybe it is?
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Internet Apex on July 13, 2012, 12:34:36 PM
Quote from: PANK! on July 13, 2012, 08:51:29 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2012, 08:12:46 AM
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I'm fine deferring to SKO to end this thread aptly.  Having it end with Joe Paterno having proven to have enabled a pederast's vast Rape Farm to thrive is not how we should remember the 2011 NCAA/Big 10 Football season...or maybe it is?

Did anything else happen? There was a Big10 Championship Game though fuck if I remember who won.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on July 13, 2012, 01:12:23 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 13, 2012, 12:34:36 PM
Quote from: PANK! on July 13, 2012, 08:51:29 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2012, 08:12:46 AM
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I'm fine deferring to SKO to end this thread aptly.  Having it end with Joe Paterno having proven to have enabled a pederast's vast Rape Farm to thrive is not how we should remember the 2011 NCAA/Big 10 Football season...or maybe it is?

Did anything else happen? There was a Big10 Championship Game though fuck if I remember who won.

Northern finally won a fucking MAC Championship.
Title: Re: 2011 NCAA/BigTen Football Thread
Post by: Yeti on December 05, 2012, 10:05:12 AM
Quote from: JD on December 14, 2011, 07:29:34 AM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on December 13, 2011, 11:27:54 PM
You excited, JD?

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7350900/source-arkansas-state-red-wolves-hire-gus-malzahn-auburn-tigers-football-coach



Most definitely.  I knew Freeze was gone after this year, but I don't have any ill will towards him.  He had a good season and he did what Sean Tuohy wanted him to do---have a good enough year to take over for HDN at Ole Miss. 

Mahlzahn's gonna inherit the best QB in the Sun Belt in Ryan Aplin and a team that already runs the spread.  Plus, he'll get recruits that other coaches wouldn't have been able to based on his name.  There were rumblings about him yesterday, but I didn't think there was a chance in the North that he'd end up at THE Arkansas State University.  Pretty big day for the Red Wolves.

Well, that was short-lived (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8709919/gus-malzahn-accepts-auburn-tigers-coaching-job)