Joe Paterno.
Wow, that was fast.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on January 22, 2012, 01:52:07 PM
Quote from: PenPho on January 22, 2012, 09:36:38 AM
Joe Paterno.
Wow, that was fast.
Good riddance.
Cue The Weeping, Wailing, Rending Of Garments, and Gnashing Of Teeth by the faithful.
1. Zsa Zsa Gabor
2. Etta James
3. Stephen Hawking
4. Joe Paterno
5. John Madden
6. William Perry
7. Muhammad Ali
8. Roger Ebert
9. Ariel Sharon
10. Bob Huggins
And it's not even February yet...
Quote from: Bonk on January 22, 2012, 02:32:32 PM
1. Zsa Zsa Gabor
2. Etta James
3. Stephen Hawking
4. Joe Paterno
5. John Madden
6. William Perry
7. Muhammad Ali
8. Roger Ebert
9. Ariel Sharon
10. Bob Huggins
And it's not even February yet...
Have you considered putting that list in a spreadsheet or something?
Jerry offers his condolences. (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/yes-jerry-sandusky-had-guts-issue-statement-joe-204741319.html)
The comments, like always, really hit the nail on the head.
"Media killed Paterno. They were out to get him years ago before any asst. creep show. It's time PSU and USA wake up to media and take them on in the streets."
Quote from: BH on January 23, 2012, 02:46:18 PM
"Media killed Paterno. They were out to get him years ago before any asst. creep show..."
This whole "turning a blind eye to child rape" thing was just a convenient pretext.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on January 23, 2012, 03:35:57 PM
Quote from: BH on January 23, 2012, 02:46:18 PM
"Media killed Paterno. They were out to get him years ago before any asst. creep show..."
This whole "turning a blind eye to child rape" thing was just a convenient pretext.
But he didn't even know it was possible (http://espn.go.com/espnw/commentary/7476452/former-penn-state-coach-joe-paterno-na%C3%AFve-not-credible).
""I don't know that it would have done any good, because I never heard of, of, rape and a man," Paterno said."
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on January 22, 2012, 04:49:44 PM
Quote from: Bonk on January 22, 2012, 02:32:32 PM
1. Zsa Zsa Gabor
2. Etta James
3. Stephen Hawking
4. Joe Paterno
5. John Madden
6. William Perry
7. Muhammad Ali
8. Roger Ebert
9. Ariel Sharon
10. Bob Huggins
And it's not even February yet...
Have you considered putting that list in a spreadsheet or something?
Something.
Quote from: BH on January 23, 2012, 02:46:18 PM
Jerry offers his condolences. (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/yes-jerry-sandusky-had-guts-issue-statement-joe-204741319.html)
The comments, like always, really hit the nail on the head.
"Media killed Paterno. They were out to get him years ago before any asst. creep show. It's time PSU and USA wake up to media and take them on in the streets."
True. Paterno could have lived a long and fulfilling life if it weren't for that damn media.
With Joe dying, does this mean his previous testimony is thrown out? If so, would imagine the previous AD, president and police would just say that Joe never told them anything and walk?
Quote from: BH on January 24, 2012, 10:37:08 AM
With Joe dying, does this mean his previous testimony is thrown out? If so, would imagine the previous AD, president and police would just say that Joe never told them anything and walk?
I smell a conspiracy of Ludlum-esque proportions. The Paterno Testimony.
Quote from: BH on January 24, 2012, 10:37:08 AM
With Joe dying, does this mean his previous testimony is thrown out? If so, would imagine the previous AD, president and police would just say that Joe never told them anything and walk?
As we've said in the SBox, his grand jury testimony is out (it was out anyway, since there was no cross), but this makes McQueary the principal witness.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on January 24, 2012, 11:44:39 AM
Quote from: BH on January 24, 2012, 10:37:08 AM
With Joe dying, does this mean his previous testimony is thrown out? If so, would imagine the previous AD, president and police would just say that Joe never told them anything and walk?
As we've said in the SBox, his grand jury testimony is out (it was out anyway, since there was no cross), but this makes McQueary the principal witness.
I'll hang up and wait to hear from a real lawyer.
Quote from: Bort on January 24, 2012, 11:09:36 AM
Quote from: BH on January 24, 2012, 10:37:08 AM
With Joe dying, does this mean his previous testimony is thrown out? If so, would imagine the previous AD, president and police would just say that Joe never told them anything and walk?
I smell a conspiracy of Ludlum-esque proportions. The Paterno Testimony.
This made me laugh, heartily, because it reminded me of the caller I heard on the Score the other morning who suggested that Paterno's death was indeed the result of a conspiracy to cover up that whole thing, or something.
Quote from: Fork on January 24, 2012, 12:50:18 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on January 24, 2012, 11:44:39 AM
Quote from: BH on January 24, 2012, 10:37:08 AM
With Joe dying, does this mean his previous testimony is thrown out? If so, would imagine the previous AD, president and police would just say that Joe never told them anything and walk?
As we've said in the SBox, his grand jury testimony is out (it was out anyway, since there was no cross), but this makes McQueary the principal witness.
I'll hang up and wait to hear from a real lawyer.
You should keep waiting, but I think that JoPa's testimony could be use to impeach a parties testimony. So it cant be used as evidence that he told the President or AD in and of itself, but it could be brought in if either the President or AD claimed that JoPa never told them.
Quote from: thehawk on January 24, 2012, 04:25:49 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 24, 2012, 12:50:18 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on January 24, 2012, 11:44:39 AM
Quote from: BH on January 24, 2012, 10:37:08 AM
With Joe dying, does this mean his previous testimony is thrown out? If so, would imagine the previous AD, president and police would just say that Joe never told them anything and walk?
As we've said in the SBox, his grand jury testimony is out (it was out anyway, since there was no cross), but this makes McQueary the principal witness.
I'll hang up and wait to hear from a real lawyer.
You should keep waiting, but I think that JoPa's testimony could be use to impeach a parties testimony. So it cant be used as evidence that he told the President or AD in and of itself, but it could be brought in if either the President or AD claimed that JoPa never told them.
The more I read and think about rule 804, I'm sure the State could make an argument to the judge that Paterno's testimony was against his interest and therefore, should be admissible. Plus, the catchall of rule 807 could save the State, provided they have no other means to prove the facts against the AD and President.
Edit: PA doesn't have the residual exception.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on January 24, 2012, 05:21:55 PM
Quote from: thehawk on January 24, 2012, 04:25:49 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 24, 2012, 12:50:18 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on January 24, 2012, 11:44:39 AM
Quote from: BH on January 24, 2012, 10:37:08 AM
With Joe dying, does this mean his previous testimony is thrown out? If so, would imagine the previous AD, president and police would just say that Joe never told them anything and walk?
As we've said in the SBox, his grand jury testimony is out (it was out anyway, since there was no cross), but this makes McQueary the principal witness.
I'll hang up and wait to hear from a real lawyer.
You should keep waiting, but I think that JoPa's testimony could be use to impeach a parties testimony. So it cant be used as evidence that he told the President or AD in and of itself, but it could be brought in if either the President or AD claimed that JoPa never told them.
The more I read and think about rule 804, I'm sure the State could make an argument to the judge that Paterno's testimony was against his interest and therefore, should be admissible. Plus, the catchall of rule 807 could save the State, provided they have no other means to prove the facts against the AD and President.
Edit: PA doesn't have the residual exception.
Quiet Gil. The lawyers are talking.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/jerry-sandusky-ill-never-forget-all-the-things-joe,27169/
Quote from: BH on January 26, 2012, 02:06:32 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/jerry-sandusky-ill-never-forget-all-the-things-joe,27169/
That is absolutely outfuckingstanding.