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« Reply #4545 on: February 15, 2012, 09:39:30 AM »

Well, Bishop?

I thought they'd stopped this practice.  So much for faith in others.

Theologically speaking, it's unclear to me why this would be of any interest at all to modern Jewry.

Theologically, we are still supposed to observe the 613 commandments.  And the Torah states that you are not supposed to contact the dead.

Whether that's germane today, that's up to you to decide.

But the undertaking is by the Mormons.

The dead are not supposed to be disturbed, is my understanding.  To do so violates them in sheol.

The objection is still theologically nonsensical unless one gives some sort of supernatural credence to the activity of the Mormons.

Isn't ALL religion theologically nonsensical unless one gives some sort of supernatural credence?
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« Reply #4546 on: February 15, 2012, 10:11:50 AM »

Well, Bishop?

I thought they'd stopped this practice.  So much for faith in others.

Theologically speaking, it's unclear to me why this would be of any interest at all to modern Jewry.

Theologically, we are still supposed to observe the 613 commandments.  And the Torah states that you are not supposed to contact the dead.

Whether that's germane today, that's up to you to decide.

But the undertaking is by the Mormons.

The dead are not supposed to be disturbed, is my understanding.  To do so violates them in sheol.

The objection is still theologically nonsensical unless one gives some sort of supernatural credence to the activity of the Mormons.

Isn't ALL religion theologically nonsensical unless one gives some sort of supernatural credence?

Well, sure. But I think Wheezer's question is, why should Jews give any more credence to the supernatural efficacy of the Mormons' American Jesus in disturbing their dead than they would give to any other false Gentile god?
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« Reply #4547 on: February 15, 2012, 10:18:08 AM »

Well, sure. But I think Wheezer's question is, why should Jews give any more credence to the supernatural efficacy of the Mormons' American Jesus in disturbing their dead than they would give to any other false Gentile god?

I don't think they are.  I think it's simply that the Mormons are the ones desecrating the graves.  Were the Hindu showing up and doing something similar, I'd think Jews would be similarly upset.
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« Reply #4548 on: February 15, 2012, 10:20:31 AM »

Well, sure. But I think Wheezer's question is, why should Jews give any more credence to the supernatural efficacy of the Mormons' American Jesus in disturbing their dead than they would give to any other false Gentile god?

I don't think they are.  I think it's simply that the Mormons are the ones desecrating the graves.  Were the Hindu showing up and doing something similar, I'd think Jews would be similarly upset.

The Mormons aren't desecrating any graves as far as I'm aware.

They just have a non-stop litany of in absentia baptism ceremonies at their Salt Lake City temple. With Mormons acting as stand-ins for the dead, whose names are read off of a list. No corpses necessary.
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« Reply #4549 on: February 15, 2012, 12:01:58 PM »

Well, sure. But I think Wheezer's question is, why should Jews give any more credence to the supernatural efficacy of the Mormons' American Jesus in disturbing their dead than they would give to any other false Gentile god?

I don't think they are.  I think it's simply that the Mormons are the ones desecrating the graves.  Were the Hindu showing up and doing something similar, I'd think Jews would be similarly upset.

The Mormons aren't desecrating any graves as far as I'm aware.

They just have a non-stop litany of in absentia baptism ceremonies at their Salt Lake City temple. With Mormons acting as stand-ins for the dead, whose names are read off of a list. No corpses necessary.

My general take on the issue is that, when a person is a member of a group that had historcially been killed because of the religion they practiced or refsusal to convert to another religion, it is beyond insulting  to that persons family and community for a group of people to say that he was 'converted'  by them posthumously to a religion of that groups choosing.  More name calling (at the 'fighting words' level) than metaphysics.
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« Reply #4550 on: February 15, 2012, 01:07:07 PM »

Well, sure. But I think Wheezer's question is, why should Jews give any more credence to the supernatural efficacy of the Mormons' American Jesus in disturbing their dead than they would give to any other false Gentile god?

I don't think they are.  I think it's simply that the Mormons are the ones desecrating the graves.  Were the Hindu showing up and doing something similar, I'd think Jews would be similarly upset.

The Mormons aren't desecrating any graves as far as I'm aware.

They just have a non-stop litany of in absentia baptism ceremonies at their Salt Lake City temple. With Mormons acting as stand-ins for the dead, whose names are read off of a list. No corpses necessary.

My general take on the issue is that, when a person is a member of a group that had historcially been killed because of the religion they practiced or refsusal to convert to another religion, it is beyond insulting  to that persons family and community for a group of people to say that he was 'converted'  by them posthumously to a religion of that groups choosing.  More name calling (at the 'fighting words' level) than metaphysics.

Leaving aside the general tastelessness of the operation, Mormon proxy baptism isn't a conversion--the decedent is held to be free to accept or reject the ordinance. (It's not clear to me offhand if the dead can accept it and later reject it, as the living do all the time.)
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« Reply #4551 on: February 15, 2012, 01:17:42 PM »

Well, sure. But I think Wheezer's question is, why should Jews give any more credence to the supernatural efficacy of the Mormons' American Jesus in disturbing their dead than they would give to any other false Gentile god?

I don't think they are.  I think it's simply that the Mormons are the ones desecrating the graves.  Were the Hindu showing up and doing something similar, I'd think Jews would be similarly upset.

The Mormons aren't desecrating any graves as far as I'm aware.

They just have a non-stop litany of in absentia baptism ceremonies at their Salt Lake City temple. With Mormons acting as stand-ins for the dead, whose names are read off of a list. No corpses necessary.

My general take on the issue is that, when a person is a member of a group that had historcially been killed because of the religion they practiced or refsusal to convert to another religion, it is beyond insulting  to that persons family and community for a group of people to say that he was 'converted'  by them posthumously to a religion of that groups choosing.  More name calling (at the 'fighting words' level) than metaphysics.

The Mormons have a word for it..."chutzpah".
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« Reply #4552 on: February 16, 2012, 01:17:17 PM »

Scandal in Wisconsin!



Oh, Politico... Don't you ever go and change.
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« Reply #4553 on: February 16, 2012, 02:10:16 PM »

Scandal in Wisconsin!



Oh, Politico... Don't you ever go and change.

Politico already deleted the post.
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« Reply #4554 on: February 16, 2012, 04:32:00 PM »

Scandal in Wisconsin!



Oh, Politico... Don't you ever go and change.

Politico already deleted the post.

Hence the need for a screenshot.

That doesn't make it not hilarious.

Nor does it change the fact that Politico—as a haven for bottom-feeding, know-nothing retards ready to roll out their Jump To Conclusions Mats at the merest hint of an inconsequential "controversy"—still typifies our political press at its worst.
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« Reply #4555 on: February 16, 2012, 07:09:47 PM »

Scandal in Wisconsin!



Oh, Politico... Don't you ever go and change.

Politico already deleted the post.

Hence the need for a screenshot.

That doesn't make it not hilarious.

Nor does it change the fact that Politico—as a haven for bottom-feeding, know-nothing retards ready to roll out their Jump To Conclusions Mats at the merest hint of an inconsequential "controversy"—still typifies our political press at its worst.

Ahh,  good old Local 1848. I hear that the dues (taken out of each paycheck, with a balloon payment in April) are really a bitch!
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« Reply #4556 on: February 16, 2012, 10:42:58 PM »

Nor does it change the fact that Politico—as a haven for bottom-feeding, know-nothing retards ready to roll out their Jump To Conclusions Mats at the merest hint of an inconsequential "controversy"...

And the other media members AREN'T bottom-feeding, know-nothing retards??? The Jump To Conclusions mat also comes out whenever Fox News, CNN or MSNBC have to come up with, oh, 23 hours and 55 minutes of their daily programming schedules on a slow news day (I exempt 5 minutes of slow days only because Fox News has a couple hot blonde women as anchors).
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« Reply #4557 on: February 17, 2012, 12:20:16 AM »

Nor does it change the fact that Politico—as a haven for bottom-feeding, know-nothing retards ready to roll out their Jump To Conclusions Mats at the merest hint of an inconsequential "controversy"...

And the other media members AREN'T bottom-feeding, know-nothing retards???

You can only conclude that this is what I'm suggesting if you inexplicably cut off my quote like you did above.

If, on the other hand, you read everything I wrote (i.e., the rest of that one sentence), you might have seen me saying this...

Nor does it change the fact that Politico—as a haven for bottom-feeding, know-nothing retards ready to roll out their Jump To Conclusions Mats at the merest hint of an inconsequential "controversy"—still typifies our political press at its worst.

Which is to say: Politico is trash in particular, just as "our political press" is trash in general. They're all assholes.

So, you know... get off it.
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« Reply #4558 on: February 17, 2012, 07:50:26 AM »

Scandal in Wisconsin!



Oh, Politico... Don't you ever go and change.

Politico already deleted the post.

Hence the need for a screenshot.

That doesn't make it not hilarious.

Nor does it change the fact that Politico—as a haven for bottom-feeding, know-nothing retards ready to roll out their Jump To Conclusions Mats at the merest hint of an inconsequential "controversy"—still typifies our political press at its worst.

Ahh,  good old Local 1848. I hear that the dues (taken out of each paycheck, with a balloon payment in April) are really a bitch!

Something something Stew helped found this union something.
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« Reply #4559 on: February 17, 2012, 09:06:07 AM »

Scandal in Wisconsin!



Oh, Politico... Don't you ever go and change.

Politico already deleted the post.

Hence the need for a screenshot.

That doesn't make it not hilarious.

Nor does it change the fact that Politico—as a haven for bottom-feeding, know-nothing retards ready to roll out their Jump To Conclusions Mats at the merest hint of an inconsequential "controversy"—still typifies our political press at its worst.

Ahh,  good old Local 1848. I hear that the dues (taken out of each paycheck, with a balloon payment in April) are really a bitch!

Something something Stew helped found this union something.

Needs something big.
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