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SKO

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Re: 2015: The Back To The Future Season
« Reply #390 on: May 21, 2015, 10:46:31 AM »
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4.2 IP, 9Ks for Wada. Just needed about 6-7 BBs and you could call him Tsuyoshi Harden

He only threw 69 pitches, right? I think taking him out of the game was not terrible, especially against Norris with two men on.

He's also just back from injury/rehab and may not be stretched out (||) all the way. Plus his triumphant jaunt from first to home seemed to take something out of him. Absolutely the right move. Nice to see the pen make it stand up for once. I had zero faith in any of them and kept being proven wrong, pitch after pitch after pitch.

Also I think Sahedev had a piece for Baseball Prospectus yesterday about how Wada got regularly murdered the third time through the order to the tune of like an opposing OPS of 1.210. Add in that Norris was hitting .433 or whatever vs. LHP and it was absolutely the right move.


EDITED: Here it is: http://wrigleyville.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2015/05/20/using-three-to-make-two/


Wada last year:

WADA       
                  Split G PA R/9PA OBP OPS sOPS+ FIP
1st PA in G as SP  13 117 0.38 0.250 0.528 56 1.99
2nd PA in G as SP  13 116 0.62 0.313 0.690 95 3.52
3rd PA in G as SP   11 56 1.77 0.429 1.249 226 8.35

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Re: 2015: The Back To The Future Season
« Reply #391 on: May 21, 2015, 12:10:40 PM »
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2015, 10:46:31 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 21, 2015, 10:44:35 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 21, 2015, 10:26:28 AM
Quote from: Yeti on May 21, 2015, 09:34:36 AM
4.2 IP, 9Ks for Wada. Just needed about 6-7 BBs and you could call him Tsuyoshi Harden

He only threw 69 pitches, right? I think taking him out of the game was not terrible, especially against Norris with two men on.

He's also just back from injury/rehab and may not be stretched out (||) all the way. Plus his triumphant jaunt from first to home seemed to take something out of him. Absolutely the right move. Nice to see the pen make it stand up for once. I had zero faith in any of them and kept being proven wrong, pitch after pitch after pitch.

Also I think Sahedev had a piece for Baseball Prospectus yesterday about how Wada got regularly murdered the third time through the order to the tune of like an opposing OPS of 1.210. Add in that Norris was hitting .433 or whatever vs. LHP and it was absolutely the right move.


EDITED: Here it is: http://wrigleyville.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2015/05/20/using-three-to-make-two/


Wada last year:

WADA       
                  Split G PA R/9PA OBP OPS sOPS+ FIP
1st PA in G as SP  13 117 0.38 0.250 0.528 56 1.99
2nd PA in G as SP  13 116 0.62 0.313 0.690 95 3.52
3rd PA in G as SP   11 56 1.77 0.429 1.249 226 8.35



It's cool that he used that data and it's cool that it worked. What does it say about Wada's season long viability as a starter then? You can't have a guy going out every fifth day who won't get out of the sixth no matter what.

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Re: 2015: The Back To The Future Season
« Reply #392 on: May 21, 2015, 12:31:04 PM »
Quote from: Slaky on May 21, 2015, 12:10:40 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2015, 10:46:31 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 21, 2015, 10:44:35 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 21, 2015, 10:26:28 AM
Quote from: Yeti on May 21, 2015, 09:34:36 AM
4.2 IP, 9Ks for Wada. Just needed about 6-7 BBs and you could call him Tsuyoshi Harden

He only threw 69 pitches, right? I think taking him out of the game was not terrible, especially against Norris with two men on.

He's also just back from injury/rehab and may not be stretched out (||) all the way. Plus his triumphant jaunt from first to home seemed to take something out of him. Absolutely the right move. Nice to see the pen make it stand up for once. I had zero faith in any of them and kept being proven wrong, pitch after pitch after pitch.

Also I think Sahedev had a piece for Baseball Prospectus yesterday about how Wada got regularly murdered the third time through the order to the tune of like an opposing OPS of 1.210. Add in that Norris was hitting .433 or whatever vs. LHP and it was absolutely the right move.


EDITED: Here it is: http://wrigleyville.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2015/05/20/using-three-to-make-two/


Wada last year:

WADA       
                  Split G PA R/9PA OBP OPS sOPS+ FIP
1st PA in G as SP  13 117 0.38 0.250 0.528 56 1.99
2nd PA in G as SP  13 116 0.62 0.313 0.690 95 3.52
3rd PA in G as SP   11 56 1.77 0.429 1.249 226 8.35



It's cool that he used that data and it's cool that it worked. What does it say about Wada's season long viability as a starter then? You can't have a guy going out every fifth day who won't get out of the sixth no matter what.

It says this guy is tailor-made for long relief.
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Re: 2015: The Back To The Future Season
« Reply #393 on: May 21, 2015, 12:32:26 PM »
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 21, 2015, 12:31:04 PM
Quote from: Slaky on May 21, 2015, 12:10:40 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2015, 10:46:31 AM
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Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 21, 2015, 10:26:28 AM
Quote from: Yeti on May 21, 2015, 09:34:36 AM
4.2 IP, 9Ks for Wada. Just needed about 6-7 BBs and you could call him Tsuyoshi Harden

He only threw 69 pitches, right? I think taking him out of the game was not terrible, especially against Norris with two men on.

He's also just back from injury/rehab and may not be stretched out (||) all the way. Plus his triumphant jaunt from first to home seemed to take something out of him. Absolutely the right move. Nice to see the pen make it stand up for once. I had zero faith in any of them and kept being proven wrong, pitch after pitch after pitch.

Also I think Sahedev had a piece for Baseball Prospectus yesterday about how Wada got regularly murdered the third time through the order to the tune of like an opposing OPS of 1.210. Add in that Norris was hitting .433 or whatever vs. LHP and it was absolutely the right move.


EDITED: Here it is: http://wrigleyville.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2015/05/20/using-three-to-make-two/


Wada last year:

WADA        
                 Split G PA R/9PA OBP OPS sOPS+ FIP
1st PA in G as SP  13 117 0.38 0.250 0.528 56 1.99
2nd PA in G as SP  13 116 0.62 0.313 0.690 95 3.52
3rd PA in G as SP   11 56 1.77 0.429 1.249 226 8.35



It's cool that he used that data and it's cool that it worked. What does it say about Wada's season long viability as a starter then? You can't have a guy going out every fifth day who won't get out of the sixth no matter what.

It says this guy is tailor-made for long relief.

I think it says hope Kyle Hendricks can fix his shit and they pick up a starter via trade, is what it says. But for now 5 quality innings of Wada is better than whatever the hell they were getting from Travis Wood.
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Re: 2015: The Back To The Future Season
« Reply #394 on: May 21, 2015, 01:42:35 PM »
Quote from: Slaky on May 21, 2015, 12:10:40 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2015, 10:46:31 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 21, 2015, 10:44:35 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 21, 2015, 10:26:28 AM
Quote from: Yeti on May 21, 2015, 09:34:36 AM
4.2 IP, 9Ks for Wada. Just needed about 6-7 BBs and you could call him Tsuyoshi Harden

He only threw 69 pitches, right? I think taking him out of the game was not terrible, especially against Norris with two men on.

He's also just back from injury/rehab and may not be stretched out (||) all the way. Plus his triumphant jaunt from first to home seemed to take something out of him. Absolutely the right move. Nice to see the pen make it stand up for once. I had zero faith in any of them and kept being proven wrong, pitch after pitch after pitch.

Also I think Sahedev had a piece for Baseball Prospectus yesterday about how Wada got regularly murdered the third time through the order to the tune of like an opposing OPS of 1.210. Add in that Norris was hitting .433 or whatever vs. LHP and it was absolutely the right move.


EDITED: Here it is: http://wrigleyville.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2015/05/20/using-three-to-make-two/


Wada last year:

WADA       
                  Split G PA R/9PA OBP OPS sOPS+ FIP
1st PA in G as SP  13 117 0.38 0.250 0.528 56 1.99
2nd PA in G as SP  13 116 0.62 0.313 0.690 95 3.52
3rd PA in G as SP   11 56 1.77 0.429 1.249 226 8.35



It's cool that he used that data and it's cool that it worked. What does it say about Wada's season long viability as a starter then? You can't have a guy going out every fifth day who won't get out of the sixth no matter what.

Why not? To give you an idea of how good he's been on the first time through the order, here's the leaders in wOBA among starters on the first time through the order since the beginning of last season.



If you can get 18 batters-faced worth of that kind of production, why not take it? Maybe Jepstink can find another guy for cheap who is nails the first time through, but also struggles on the 2nd/3rd pass and just piggyback them on each other.

Here's some examples of other starters with first time wOBA <.300 and second time wOBA >.350.




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Re: 2015: The Back To The Future Season
« Reply #395 on: May 21, 2015, 01:54:26 PM »
Quote from: ChuckD on May 21, 2015, 01:42:35 PM
Here's some examples of other starters with first time wOBA <.300 and second time wOBA >.350.


What a load of horseshit. As if Tanner Scheppers could possibly be a real person.

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Re: 2015: The Back To The Future Season
« Reply #396 on: May 21, 2015, 01:56:14 PM »
Quote from: Eli on May 21, 2015, 01:54:26 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 21, 2015, 01:42:35 PM
Here's some examples of other starters with first time wOBA <.300 and second time wOBA >.350.


What a load of horseshit. As if Tanner Scheppers could possibly be a real person.

I would like to submit that Worley Vance just be his name from now on. That crafty Worley Vance.
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Re: 2015: The Back To The Future Season
« Reply #397 on: May 21, 2015, 02:27:13 PM »
Quote from: ChuckD on May 21, 2015, 01:42:35 PM

If you can get 18 batters-faced worth of that kind of production, why not take it? Maybe Jepstink can find another guy for cheap who is nails the first time through, but also struggles on the 2nd/3rd pass and just piggyback them on each other.

I don't hate the strategy as Jake Arrietas and Jon Lesters don't necessarily grow on trees, but if that's the case we need to do better than Edwin Jackson and Travis Wood.
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Re: 2015: The Back To The Future Season
« Reply #398 on: May 21, 2015, 02:59:38 PM »
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 21, 2015, 02:27:13 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 21, 2015, 01:42:35 PM

If you can get 18 batters-faced worth of that kind of production, why not take it? Maybe Jepstink can find another guy for cheap who is nails the first time through, but also struggles on the 2nd/3rd pass and just piggyback them on each other.

I don't hate the strategy as Jake Arrietas and Jon Lesters don't necessarily grow on trees, but if that's the case we need to do better than Edwin Jackson and Travis Wood.

We really should have planted that tree next to the one that grows .900 OPS first basemen.

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Re: 2015: The Back To The Future Season
« Reply #399 on: May 21, 2015, 03:12:57 PM »
Quote from: CT III on May 21, 2015, 02:59:38 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 21, 2015, 02:27:13 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 21, 2015, 01:42:35 PM

If you can get 18 batters-faced worth of that kind of production, why not take it? Maybe Jepstink can find another guy for cheap who is nails the first time through, but also struggles on the 2nd/3rd pass and just piggyback them on each other.

I don't hate the strategy as Jake Arrietas and Jon Lesters don't necessarily grow on trees, but if that's the case we need to do better than Edwin Jackson and Travis Wood.

We really should have planted that tree next to the one that grows .900 OPS first basemen.

At least that one bore fruit in Anthony Rizzo and Dan Vogurlacher.
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Re: 2015: The Back To The Future Season
« Reply #400 on: May 21, 2015, 03:23:14 PM »
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2015, 03:12:57 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 21, 2015, 02:59:38 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 21, 2015, 02:27:13 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 21, 2015, 01:42:35 PM

If you can get 18 batters-faced worth of that kind of production, why not take it? Maybe Jepstink can find another guy for cheap who is nails the first time through, but also struggles on the 2nd/3rd pass and just piggyback them on each other.

I don't hate the strategy as Jake Arrietas and Jon Lesters don't necessarily grow on trees, but if that's the case we need to do better than Edwin Jackson and Travis Wood.

We really should have planted that tree next to the one that grows .900 OPS first basemen.

At least that one bore fruit in Anthony Rizzo and Dan Vogurlacher.


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Re: 2015: The Back To The Future Season
« Reply #401 on: May 21, 2015, 03:23:51 PM »
Quote from: Yeti on May 21, 2015, 03:23:14 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2015, 03:12:57 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 21, 2015, 02:59:38 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 21, 2015, 02:27:13 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 21, 2015, 01:42:35 PM

If you can get 18 batters-faced worth of that kind of production, why not take it? Maybe Jepstink can find another guy for cheap who is nails the first time through, but also struggles on the 2nd/3rd pass and just piggyback them on each other.

I don't hate the strategy as Jake Arrietas and Jon Lesters don't necessarily grow on trees, but if that's the case we need to do better than Edwin Jackson and Travis Wood.

We really should have planted that tree next to the one that grows .900 OPS first basemen.

At least that one bore fruit in Anthony Rizzo and Dan Vogurlacherbeanz.


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Re: 2015: The Back To The Future Season
« Reply #402 on: May 21, 2015, 03:26:27 PM »
Quote from: PANK! on May 21, 2015, 03:23:51 PM
Quote from: Yeti on May 21, 2015, 03:23:14 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2015, 03:12:57 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 21, 2015, 02:59:38 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 21, 2015, 02:27:13 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 21, 2015, 01:42:35 PM

If you can get 18 batters-faced worth of that kind of production, why not take it? Maybe Jepstink can find another guy for cheap who is nails the first time through, but also struggles on the 2nd/3rd pass and just piggyback them on each other.

I don't hate the strategy as Jake Arrietas and Jon Lesters don't necessarily grow on trees, but if that's the case we need to do better than Edwin Jackson and Travis Wood.

We really should have planted that tree next to the one that grows .900 OPS first basemen.

At least that one bore fruit in Anthony Rizzo and Dan Vogurlacherbeanz.


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Re: 2015: The Back To The Future Season
« Reply #403 on: May 21, 2015, 04:07:52 PM »
Quote from: CT III on May 21, 2015, 02:59:38 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 21, 2015, 02:27:13 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 21, 2015, 01:42:35 PM

If you can get 18 batters-faced worth of that kind of production, why not take it? Maybe Jepstink can find another guy for cheap who is nails the first time through, but also struggles on the 2nd/3rd pass and just piggyback them on each other.

I don't hate the strategy as Jake Arrietas and Jon Lesters don't necessarily grow on trees, but if that's the case we need to do better than Edwin Jackson and Travis Wood.

We really should have planted that tree next to the one that grows .900 OPS first basemen.

I don't know if we'll ever have a better candidate for the dumbest thing ever said on Desipio than LDA saying Miguel Cabreras just grow on trees. At least until seven years from now when I remind Apex that he once said pitchers would rather face Kris Bryant than Matt Carpenter after Bryant wins his sixth consecutive MVP Award.
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Re: 2015: The Back To The Future Season
« Reply #404 on: May 22, 2015, 09:08:16 AM »
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2015, 04:07:52 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 21, 2015, 02:59:38 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 21, 2015, 02:27:13 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 21, 2015, 01:42:35 PM

If you can get 18 batters-faced worth of that kind of production, why not take it? Maybe Jepstink can find another guy for cheap who is nails the first time through, but also struggles on the 2nd/3rd pass and just piggyback them on each other.

I don't hate the strategy as Jake Arrietas and Jon Lesters don't necessarily grow on trees, but if that's the case we need to do better than Edwin Jackson and Travis Wood.

We really should have planted that tree next to the one that grows .900 OPS first basemen.

I don't know if we'll ever have a better candidate for the dumbest thing ever said on Desipio than LDA saying Miguel Cabreras just grow on trees. At least until seven years from now when I remind Apex that he once said pitchers would rather face Kris Bryant than Matt Carpenter after Bryant wins his sixth consecutive MVP Award.


That's just a meme though. It's not what I actually said. LanceDicksonsArm said and meant that shit and was so rightfully shamed for it he never posted here again and probably lives under a bridge.
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