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Re: 2015: The Back To The Future Season
« Reply #945 on: August 31, 2015, 01:45:02 PM »
Quote from: Slaky on August 28, 2015, 10:24:07 AM
Yesterday's game sorta felt like what the Cubs might be up against in a playoff. I'm not trying to be overly negative - I still very much believe in the plan and think things are going swimmingly, overall.

Thinking of it like this: the Cubs have to either beat St. Louis or Pittsburgh to get to the NLCS - maybe both. Pittsburgh's been knocking on that door for the better part of three years now. St. Louis has unquestionable credentials. The Cubs are just now showing up. Obviously anything can happen on any given day and Dan Haren certainly won't be starting a game in the playoffs. But with Bumgardner making every hitter look like an absolute moron and the Cards and Pirates both having top of the rotation guys who can and have already done the same - I just get the feeling the playoff game or games are going to be painful.

I'm prepping myself accordingly.

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Re: 2015: The Back To The Future Season
« Reply #946 on: August 31, 2015, 02:50:31 PM »
Quote from: morpheus on August 31, 2015, 01:45:02 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 28, 2015, 10:24:07 AM
Yesterday's game sorta felt like what the Cubs might be up against in a playoff. I'm not trying to be overly negative - I still very much believe in the plan and think things are going swimmingly, overall.

Thinking of it like this: the Cubs have to either beat St. Louis or Pittsburgh to get to the NLCS - maybe both. Pittsburgh's been knocking on that door for the better part of three years now. St. Louis has unquestionable credentials. The Cubs are just now showing up. Obviously anything can happen on any given day and Dan Haren certainly won't be starting a game in the playoffs. But with Bumgardner making every hitter look like an absolute moron and the Cards and Pirates both having top of the rotation guys who can and have already done the same - I just get the feeling the playoff game or games are going to be painful.

I'm prepping myself accordingly.

Me too.

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Re: 2015: The Back To The Future Season
« Reply #947 on: August 31, 2015, 05:35:23 PM »
Austin Jackson will provide outfield depth to the Cubs in a trade with Seattke. A player to be named or cash will head back in return.

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Re: 2015: The Back To The Future Season
« Reply #948 on: September 01, 2015, 07:36:40 AM »
Javier Baez, Quintin Berry, Trevor Cahill (forgot they even signed him), and Tsuyoshi Wada up today.  And they'll need to clear two 40-man roster spots.
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Re: 2015: The Back To The Future Season
« Reply #949 on: September 01, 2015, 08:55:15 AM »
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 01, 2015, 07:36:40 AM
Javier Baez, Quintin Berry, Trevor Cahill (forgot they even signed him), and Tsuyoshi Wada up today.  And they'll need to clear two 40-man roster spots.

Options:

Dallas Beeler DFA
Jacob Turner to 60 day DL.
Jorge Soler to 60 day DL.

Please let it not be the last one on my list.

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Re: 2015: The Back To The Future Season
« Reply #950 on: September 01, 2015, 08:55:46 AM »
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 01, 2015, 08:55:15 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 01, 2015, 07:36:40 AM
Javier Baez, Quintin Berry, Trevor Cahill (forgot they even signed him), and Tsuyoshi Wada up today.  And they'll need to clear two 40-man roster spots.

Options:

Dallas Beeler DFA
Jacob Turner to 60 day DL.
Jorge Soler to 60 day DL.

Please let it not be the last one on my list.

How the hell is Jacob Turner not already on the 60 day DL?

EDIT: He is, so that one is out. My guess is one of James Russell/Yoervis Medina/Eric Jokisch is DFA'd.
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Re: 2015: The Back To The Future Season
« Reply #951 on: September 01, 2015, 09:58:45 AM »
so since Dan Haren is the Shawn Estes of this team (making Kyle Hendricks and his puppy dog eyes the Matt Clement), now is the time for the inexplicable complete game shutout of a hapless Reds squad, right?
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Re: 2015: The Back To The Future Season
« Reply #952 on: September 01, 2015, 09:59:42 AM »
Quote from: SKO on September 01, 2015, 09:58:45 AM
so since Dan Haren is the Shawn Estes of this team (making Kyle Hendricks and his puppy dog eyes the Matt Clement), now is the time for the inexplicable complete game shutout of a hapless Reds squad, right?

I'm ready. Let's go Dan.

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Re: 2015: The Back To The Future Season
« Reply #953 on: September 01, 2015, 10:14:30 AM »
Quote from: Slaky on September 01, 2015, 09:59:42 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 01, 2015, 09:58:45 AM
so since Dan Haren is the Shawn Estes of this team (making Kyle Hendricks and his puppy dog eyes the Matt Clement), now is the time for the inexplicable complete game shutout of a hapless Reds squad, right?

I'm ready. Let's go Dan.

Yep. When they got Haren I theorized that they would really only need to win 3-4 of his starts to which he contributed in order for the team to be in good shape.  To date this has only happened once--his second start which came against the Brewers--and even then he couldn't make it out of the 6th inning but he did well enough, relative to his shittiness, to give him credit.  They won one other game he started--the crazy Saturday game against vs. Atlanta in which he was on no way helpful so I'm not counting that.

Tonight would be a good time for the second such start.  Come on, fucker.
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Re: 2015: The Back To The Future Season
« Reply #954 on: September 01, 2015, 10:23:41 AM »
DPD.  Just took a closer look and in 5 starts with the Cubs Haren failed to record 17 outs (or 5 2/3 IP) in 4 of them.  In 21 starts with Miami, he only pitched 5 1/3 innings or fewer twice.

So this is either cause for optimism, as his performance with the Cubs has been remarkably less than what it was with the Marlins and he's due for a progression to his season standards, or it just means he's finished and the Cubs picked up a pitcher who is completely out of gas. Tonight will probably be a good indication of which is which.
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Re: 2015: The Back To The Future Season
« Reply #955 on: September 01, 2015, 10:29:34 AM »
Quote from: PANK! on September 01, 2015, 10:23:41 AM
DPD.  Just took a closer look and in 5 starts with the Cubs Haren failed to record 17 outs (or 5 2/3 IP) in 4 of them.  In 21 starts with Miami, he only pitched 5 1/3 innings or fewer twice.

So this is either cause for optimism, as his performance with the Cubs has been remarkably less than what it was with the Marlins and he's due for a progression to his season standards, or it just means he's finished and the Cubs picked up a pitcher who is completely out of gas. Tonight will probably be a good indication of which is which.

It could have just been different bullpen usages by the managers...it seems Maddon is pretty quick once his backend starters get to the third time through the order.  This is Haren...he of decent K/BB ratios and giving up a good amount of hits.  If he can go 5 tonight without giving up more than a couple of runs, it's good enough for me.

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Re: 2015: The Back To The Future Season
« Reply #956 on: September 01, 2015, 10:31:11 AM »
Quote from: Oleg on September 01, 2015, 10:29:34 AM
Quote from: PANK! on September 01, 2015, 10:23:41 AM
DPD.  Just took a closer look and in 5 starts with the Cubs Haren failed to record 17 outs (or 5 2/3 IP) in 4 of them.  In 21 starts with Miami, he only pitched 5 1/3 innings or fewer twice.

So this is either cause for optimism, as his performance with the Cubs has been remarkably less than what it was with the Marlins and he's due for a progression to his season standards, or it just means he's finished and the Cubs picked up a pitcher who is completely out of gas. Tonight will probably be a good indication of which is which.

It could have just been different bullpen usages by the managers...it seems Maddon is pretty quick once his backend starters get to the third time through the order.  This is Haren...he of decent K/BB ratios and giving up a good amount of hits.  If he can go 5 tonight without giving up more than a couple of runs, it's good enough for me.

Well, you can judge for yourself I suppose.
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Re: 2015: The Back To The Future Season
« Reply #957 on: September 01, 2015, 10:35:42 AM »
Quote from: PANK! on September 01, 2015, 10:31:11 AM
Quote from: Oleg on September 01, 2015, 10:29:34 AM
Quote from: PANK! on September 01, 2015, 10:23:41 AM
DPD.  Just took a closer look and in 5 starts with the Cubs Haren failed to record 17 outs (or 5 2/3 IP) in 4 of them.  In 21 starts with Miami, he only pitched 5 1/3 innings or fewer twice.

So this is either cause for optimism, as his performance with the Cubs has been remarkably less than what it was with the Marlins and he's due for a progression to his season standards, or it just means he's finished and the Cubs picked up a pitcher who is completely out of gas. Tonight will probably be a good indication of which is which.

It could have just been different bullpen usages by the managers...it seems Maddon is pretty quick once his backend starters get to the third time through the order.  This is Haren...he of decent K/BB ratios and giving up a good amount of hits.  If he can go 5 tonight without giving up more than a couple of runs, it's good enough for me.

Well, you can judge for yourself I suppose.

I like a repeat performance of his first start against The Pirates with one fewer home run.

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Re: 2015: The Back To The Future Season
« Reply #958 on: September 01, 2015, 10:44:36 AM »
Quote from: Oleg on September 01, 2015, 10:29:34 AM
Quote from: PANK! on September 01, 2015, 10:23:41 AM
DPD.  Just took a closer look and in 5 starts with the Cubs Haren failed to record 17 outs (or 5 2/3 IP) in 4 of them.  In 21 starts with Miami, he only pitched 5 1/3 innings or fewer twice.

So this is either cause for optimism, as his performance with the Cubs has been remarkably less than what it was with the Marlins and he's due for a progression to his season standards, or it just means he's finished and the Cubs picked up a pitcher who is completely out of gas. Tonight will probably be a good indication of which is which.

It could have just been different bullpen usages by the managers...it seems Maddon is pretty quick once his backend starters get to the third time through the order.  This is Haren...he of decent K/BB ratios and giving up a good amount of hits.  If he can go 5 tonight without giving up more than a couple of runs, it's good enough for me.

I think it's because Haren has sucked out loud his last two starts and given up 5+ ER before the 5th inning was through. Joe's quick hook has had nothing to do with it. If he can get back to being Miami Haren, fine, but he's been considerably worse than that as a Cub and it's not because Joe has pulled him too soon.

The good news is with expanded rosters I wouldn't be surprised to see Joe warm up Richard or Cahill or Wada before Haren even has the chance to get himself in too much trouble.
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Re: 2015: The Back To The Future Season
« Reply #959 on: September 01, 2015, 01:41:42 PM »
Quote from: SKO on September 01, 2015, 10:44:36 AM
Quote from: Oleg on September 01, 2015, 10:29:34 AM
Quote from: PANK! on September 01, 2015, 10:23:41 AM
DPD.  Just took a closer look and in 5 starts with the Cubs Haren failed to record 17 outs (or 5 2/3 IP) in 4 of them.  In 21 starts with Miami, he only pitched 5 1/3 innings or fewer twice.

So this is either cause for optimism, as his performance with the Cubs has been remarkably less than what it was with the Marlins and he's due for a progression to his season standards, or it just means he's finished and the Cubs picked up a pitcher who is completely out of gas. Tonight will probably be a good indication of which is which.

It could have just been different bullpen usages by the managers...it seems Maddon is pretty quick once his backend starters get to the third time through the order.  This is Haren...he of decent K/BB ratios and giving up a good amount of hits.  If he can go 5 tonight without giving up more than a couple of runs, it's good enough for me.

I think it's because Haren has sucked out loud his last two starts and given up 5+ ER before the 5th inning was through. Joe's quick hook has had nothing to do with it. If he can get back to being Miami Haren, fine, but he's been considerably worse than that as a Cub and it's not because Joe has pulled him too soon.

The good news is with expanded rosters I wouldn't be surprised to see Joe warm up Richard or Cahill or Wada before Haren even has the chance to get himself in too much trouble.

Shit, I'd be completely cool with Wada getting a start in his place.
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