This is movie is so awesome I don't want to spoil anything for dudes who haven't seen it.
He was dreaming at the end. The kids hadn't changed at all.
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2010, 08:37:31 AM
This is movie is so awesome I don't want to spoil anything for dudes who haven't seen it.
He was dreaming at the end. The kids hadn't changed at all.
This works for me. Are you sure though? How long was he gone? That top wasn't spinning completely stable. It had a look that it would fall down. That said, I don't know if I've waited in anticipation for something to happen at the end of a movie like that.
Norman Bates was his own mother.
Quote from: Yeti on July 23, 2010, 08:39:56 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2010, 08:37:31 AM
This is movie is so awesome I don't want to spoil anything for dudes who haven't seen it.
He was dreaming at the end. The kids hadn't changed at all.
This works for me. Are you sure though? How long was he gone? That top wasn't spinning completely stable. It had a look that it would fall down. That said, I don't know if I've waited in anticipation for something to happen at the end of a movie like that.
I don't remember the length of his exile being explicitly mentioned (I'm sure it wasn't to maintain the ambiguity) but it seamed like he had been on the run for at least a year or so. From what I hear, those little bastards sprout up quite quickly.
The whole movie wasn't a dream though. In the scene in his apartment/hotel room where he talked to the kids on the phone, the top fell over, right?
On a general note, jebus that movie was intense. I was on the edge of my seat pretty much from the point they all went into the chemist's level 1 dream until the end.
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2010, 08:49:10 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 23, 2010, 08:39:56 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2010, 08:37:31 AM
This is movie is so awesome I don't want to spoil anything for dudes who haven't seen it.
He was dreaming at the end. The kids hadn't changed at all.
This works for me. Are you sure though? How long was he gone? That top wasn't spinning completely stable. It had a look that it would fall down. That said, I don't know if I've waited in anticipation for something to happen at the end of a movie like that.
I don't remember the length of his exile being explicitly mentioned (I'm sure it wasn't to maintain the ambiguity) but it seamed like he had been on the run for at least a year or so. From what I hear, those little bastards sprout up quite quickly.
The whole movie wasn't a dream though. In the scene in his apartment/hotel room where he talked to the kids on the phone, the top fell over, right?
On a general note, jebus that movie was intense. I was on the edge of my seat pretty much from the point they all went into the chemist's level 1 dream until the end.
I also noticed the kids hadn't aged, but the top sure did sound like it was starting to wobble...
I have one story flaw question. In the first dream level (the raining city), they're supposed to "jump" awake when the van goes off the bridge -- only, they don't because they're all asleep in the hotel. Except 3rd Rock
wasn't asleep -- shouldn't he have "jumped" and woken up when the van went off the bridge, leaving the others stuck in the snow fortress?
(My only thought to contradict that is to say that he's an experienced dreamer ... maybe he can force himself to ignore the jump)
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2010, 08:49:10 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 23, 2010, 08:39:56 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2010, 08:37:31 AM
This is movie is so awesome I don't want to spoil anything for dudes who haven't seen it.
He was dreaming at the end. The kids hadn't changed at all.
This works for me. Are you sure though? How long was he gone? That top wasn't spinning completely stable. It had a look that it would fall down. That said, I don't know if I've waited in anticipation for something to happen at the end of a movie like that.
I don't remember the length of his exile being explicitly mentioned (I'm sure it wasn't to maintain the ambiguity) but it seamed like he had been on the run for at least a year or so. From what I hear, those little bastards sprout up quite quickly.
The whole movie wasn't a dream though. In the scene in his apartment/hotel room where he talked to the kids on the phone, the top fell over, right?
On a general note, jebus that movie was intense. I was on the edge of my seat pretty much from the point they all went into the chemist's level 1 dream until the end.
True. I could go with a year gone. Kids do grow on occasions.
The top did fall over.
And, yea it was as intense as dick.
Now, to my thoughts on times in dreams. This movie seemed to coincide with my theory about how time works in dreams. Mine goes a step further. I base most of my thoughts on this from one experience about 4-6 years ago. I was at my grandparents house sleeping a little during the day. Someone was carrying a box and dropped it on the ground which woke me up when it hit. Well, in my dream, I was apparently sitting against the wall, talking to someone in our high school gym. The thing that "woke" me in the dream was that a basketball hit the wall right above our heads at the same time the box hit the ground, at least it was my perception. I surmised that the box hit the ground, my mind heard the sound, and since I was in my dream, my mind created a scenario in which a dream would coincide with what happened in the world around me. This whole experience had to take milliseconds to occur.
I did read some things saying that dreams occur at the same speed as real time. So, that could contend with my theory, but I found it interesting that Inception went a similar route with time in dreams.
Also, SEAM
Quote from: Canadouche on July 23, 2010, 08:54:28 AM
I have one story flaw question. In the first dream level (the raining city), they're supposed to "jump" awake when the van goes off the bridge -- only, they don't because they're all asleep in the hotel. Except 3rd Rock wasn't asleep -- shouldn't he have "jumped" and woken up when the van went off the bridge, leaving the others stuck in the snow fortress?
I don't think the "jump" in the van was going off the bridge, it was hitting the water. Going off the bridge gave them a time frame to go with for each subsequent dream level.
OK, I take back my appendix comment about TDubbs. I really want him to show up in this thread.
Quote from: Yeti on July 23, 2010, 09:05:00 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2010, 08:49:10 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 23, 2010, 08:39:56 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2010, 08:37:31 AM
This is movie is so awesome I don't want to spoil anything for dudes who haven't seen it.
He was dreaming at the end. The kids hadn't changed at all.
This works for me. Are you sure though? How long was he gone? That top wasn't spinning completely stable. It had a look that it would fall down. That said, I don't know if I've waited in anticipation for something to happen at the end of a movie like that.
I don't remember the length of his exile being explicitly mentioned (I'm sure it wasn't to maintain the ambiguity) but it seamed like he had been on the run for at least a year or so. From what I hear, those little bastards sprout up quite quickly.
The whole movie wasn't a dream though. In the scene in his apartment/hotel room where he talked to the kids on the phone, the top fell over, right?
On a general note, jebus that movie was intense. I was on the edge of my seat pretty much from the point they all went into the chemist's level 1 dream until the end.
True. I could go with a year gone. Kids do grow on occasions.
The top did fall over.
And, yea it was as intense as dick.
Now, to my thoughts on times in dreams. This movie seemed to coincide with my theory about how time works in dreams. Mine goes a step further. I base most of my thoughts on this from one experience about 4-6 years ago. I was at my grandparents house sleeping a little during the day. Someone was carrying a box and dropped it on the ground which woke me up when it hit. Well, in my dream, I was apparently sitting against the wall, talking to someone in our high school gym. The thing that "woke" me in the dream was that a basketball hit the wall right above our heads at the same time the box hit the ground, at least it was my perception. I surmised that the box hit the ground, my mind heard the sound, and since I was in my dream, my mind created a scenario in which a dream would coincide with what happened in the world around me. This whole experience had to take milliseconds to occur.
I did read some things saying that dreams occur at the same speed as real time. So, that could contend with my theory, but I found it interesting that Inception went a similar route with time in dreams.
Also, SEAM
Quote from: Canadouche on July 23, 2010, 08:54:28 AM
I have one story flaw question. In the first dream level (the raining city), they're supposed to "jump" awake when the van goes off the bridge -- only, they don't because they're all asleep in the hotel. Except 3rd Rock wasn't asleep -- shouldn't he have "jumped" and woken up when the van went off the bridge, leaving the others stuck in the snow fortress?
I don't think the "jump" in the van was going off the bridge, it was hitting the water. Going off the bridge gave them a time frame to go with for each subsequent dream level.
As I understood it, in a normal dream state, you just need a jump in the dream to wake you up. So, the jump of the van falling off the bridge would suffice.
In the highly-sedated-for-triple-dreaming state the gang was in, they needed simultaneous jumps in both level 1 (the chemist's dream - the raining city) and level 2 (Arthur's dream - the hotel). There was talk in the hotel that they "missed" the first jump - because Arthur was occupied with the hitmen, he wasn't able to set the charges to sync up with the van falling off the bridge. So he had to wait for the 2nd level 1 jump (the van hitting the water) to do the anti-gravity exploding elevator thing.
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2010, 09:13:02 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 23, 2010, 09:05:00 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2010, 08:49:10 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 23, 2010, 08:39:56 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2010, 08:37:31 AM
This is movie is so awesome I don't want to spoil anything for dudes who haven't seen it.
He was dreaming at the end. The kids hadn't changed at all.
This works for me. Are you sure though? How long was he gone? That top wasn't spinning completely stable. It had a look that it would fall down. That said, I don't know if I've waited in anticipation for something to happen at the end of a movie like that.
I don't remember the length of his exile being explicitly mentioned (I'm sure it wasn't to maintain the ambiguity) but it seamed like he had been on the run for at least a year or so. From what I hear, those little bastards sprout up quite quickly.
The whole movie wasn't a dream though. In the scene in his apartment/hotel room where he talked to the kids on the phone, the top fell over, right?
On a general note, jebus that movie was intense. I was on the edge of my seat pretty much from the point they all went into the chemist's level 1 dream until the end.
True. I could go with a year gone. Kids do grow on occasions.
The top did fall over.
And, yea it was as intense as dick.
Now, to my thoughts on times in dreams. This movie seemed to coincide with my theory about how time works in dreams. Mine goes a step further. I base most of my thoughts on this from one experience about 4-6 years ago. I was at my grandparents house sleeping a little during the day. Someone was carrying a box and dropped it on the ground which woke me up when it hit. Well, in my dream, I was apparently sitting against the wall, talking to someone in our high school gym. The thing that "woke" me in the dream was that a basketball hit the wall right above our heads at the same time the box hit the ground, at least it was my perception. I surmised that the box hit the ground, my mind heard the sound, and since I was in my dream, my mind created a scenario in which a dream would coincide with what happened in the world around me. This whole experience had to take milliseconds to occur.
I did read some things saying that dreams occur at the same speed as real time. So, that could contend with my theory, but I found it interesting that Inception went a similar route with time in dreams.
Also, SEAM
Quote from: Canadouche on July 23, 2010, 08:54:28 AM
I have one story flaw question. In the first dream level (the raining city), they're supposed to "jump" awake when the van goes off the bridge -- only, they don't because they're all asleep in the hotel. Except 3rd Rock wasn't asleep -- shouldn't he have "jumped" and woken up when the van went off the bridge, leaving the others stuck in the snow fortress?
I don't think the "jump" in the van was going off the bridge, it was hitting the water. Going off the bridge gave them a time frame to go with for each subsequent dream level.
As I understood it, in a normal dream state, you just need a jump in the dream to wake you up. So, the jump of the van falling off the bridge would suffice.
In the highly-sedated-for-triple-dreaming state the gang was in, they needed simultaneous jumps in both level 1 (the chemist's dream - the raining city) and level 2 (Arthur's dream - the hotel). There was talk in the hotel that they "missed" the first jump - because Arthur was occupied with the hitmen, he wasn't able to set the charges to sync up with the van falling off the bridge. So he had to wait for the 2nd level 1 jump (the van hitting the water) to do the anti-gravity exploding elevator thing.
So, for clarification ... even tho Arthur wasn't sedated in the hotel, he still needed a jump there AND in the van to wake up?
I can buy that.
Quote from: Canadouche on July 23, 2010, 09:17:33 AMSo, for clarification ... even tho Arthur wasn't sedated in the hotel, he still needed a jump there AND in the van to wake up?
I can buy that.
I see what you're saying now - you're right that the first jump should have worked for him, unless he was able to choose to ignore it. This kinda makes sense (http://flicksided.com/2010/07/50-things-about-inception/):
QuoteFirst off, if you remember what happened to Cobb early in the film, the kick did not take until he hit the water. Second, I'd like to think these guys — especially Arthur, Cobb and Eames — are so good they can ignore a kick if they absolutely need to do so. Third, if a kick comes during a strenuous situation such as combat where the actual dreamer is preoccupied, does that situation supersede the kick? If it is your dream do you have more control over the kick? I personally think the kick comes when the van hits the water, not when it drives off the bridge. I think people took the chair example when Eames was playing around a little too literally as a "rule." I tend to roll with earlier in the film when Cobb did not leave the dream until when in the level above his body was fully submerged into water and the kick was fully initiated.
And this was the one plot hole that bothered me:
QuoteThe only huge hole I saw in the film? How did Robert Fischer Jr. not recognize Saito, a fellow billionaire and the head honcho of a powerful rival energy company? You'd think that even three levels down in the dream he'd recognize an adversary willing to hire an international fugitive to plant an idea inside his subconscious in order to bring down his company.
http://deadspin.com/5591007/inception-was-great-now-please-stop-talking-about-it-assholes
Quote from: CT III on July 23, 2010, 09:29:38 AM
http://deadspin.com/5591007/inception-was-great-now-please-stop-talking-about-it-assholes
Drew Magary does the same thing in every article he writes, and I still find it absolutely hilarious, no matter how many times I read him.
Drew Magary may be the funniest motherfucker on the interwebs.
Quote from: MAD on July 23, 2010, 09:48:49 AM
Drew Magary may be the funniest motherfucker on the interwebs.
His funbags have entertained me through many a work poop.
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2010, 09:54:37 AM
Quote from: MAD on July 23, 2010, 09:48:49 AM
Drew Magary may be the funniest motherfucker on the interwebs.
His funbags have entertained me through many a work poop.
Totally. Now that I have my own printer I can print this stuff out and not worry about someone else beating me to the shared printer and then reporting me to HR. I read his funbag on the throne every week now.
Quote from: MAD on July 23, 2010, 09:56:12 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2010, 09:54:37 AM
Quote from: MAD on July 23, 2010, 09:48:49 AM
Drew Magary may be the funniest motherfucker on the interwebs.
His funbags have entertained me through many a work poop.
Totally. Now that I have my own printer I can print this stuff out and not worry about someone else beating me to the shared printer and then reporting me to HR. I read his funbag on the throne every week now.
Or you could get rid of your Zack Morris cell phone and read it on there
Quote from: Yeti on July 23, 2010, 10:00:08 AM
Quote from: MAD on July 23, 2010, 09:56:12 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2010, 09:54:37 AM
Quote from: MAD on July 23, 2010, 09:48:49 AM
Drew Magary may be the funniest motherfucker on the interwebs.
His funbags have entertained me through many a work poop.
Totally. Now that I have my own printer I can print this stuff out and not worry about someone else beating me to the shared printer and then reporting me to HR. I read his funbag on the throne every week now.
Or you could get rid of your Zack Morris cell phone and read it on there
Added bonus: Huey could then tell us the story of him dropping said phone in the crapper, and his subsequent attempts at dipping his sweaty paws into the foul waters to retrieve the device.
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2010, 10:05:30 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 23, 2010, 10:00:08 AM
Quote from: MAD on July 23, 2010, 09:56:12 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2010, 09:54:37 AM
Quote from: MAD on July 23, 2010, 09:48:49 AM
Drew Magary may be the funniest motherfucker on the interwebs.
His funbags have entertained me through many a work poop.
Totally. Now that I have my own printer I can print this stuff out and not worry about someone else beating me to the shared printer and then reporting me to HR. I read his funbag on the throne every week now.
Or you could get rid of your Zack Morris cell phone and read it on there
Added bonus: Huey could then tell us the story of him dropping said phone in the crapper, and his subsequent attempts at dipping his sweaty paws into the foul waters to retrieve the device. calling the cops to report a stolen phone.
How about this: everything after Cobb went to sleep in Mumbasa (to test out the chemist's sedatives) was a dream. When Cobb "woke up" from the sedatives, he went to the bathroom to wash his face, but got interrupted by Saito before he could see if the top would stop spinning. At the end of the movie Cobb is still sleeping in that basement in Mumbasa. His gang had to perform inception on him to get him to forgive himself for what happened with his wife.
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2010, 01:04:26 PM
How about this: everything after Cobb went to sleep in Mumbasa (to test out the chemist's sedatives) was a dream. When Cobb "woke up" from the sedatives, he went to the bathroom to wash his face, but got interrupted by Saito before he could see if the top would stop spinning. At the end of the movie Cobb is still sleeping in that basement in Mumbasa. His gang had to perform inception on him to get him to forgive himself for what happened with his wife.
BOOM!
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2010, 01:04:26 PM
How about this: everything after Cobb went to sleep in Mumbasa (to test out the chemist's sedatives) was a dream. When Cobb "woke up" from the sedatives, he went to the bathroom to wash his face, but got interrupted by Saito before he could see if the top would stop spinning. At the end of the movie Cobb is still sleeping in that basement in Mumbasa. His gang had to perform inception on him to get him to forgive himself for what happened with his wife.
What? I don't get it. Why?
Quote from: JD on July 23, 2010, 01:28:23 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2010, 01:04:26 PM
How about this: everything after Cobb went to sleep in Mumbasa (to test out the chemist's sedatives) was a dream. When Cobb "woke up" from the sedatives, he went to the bathroom to wash his face, but got interrupted by Saito before he could see if the top would stop spinning. At the end of the movie Cobb is still sleeping in that basement in Mumbasa. His gang had to perform inception on him to get him to forgive himself for what happened with his wife.
What? I don't get it. Why?
Eh, I don't even know anymore. That Starlin Castro's quite a player though.
There's a bit of an easter egg in the music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVkQ0C4qDvM
Edit: Here's an article with Nolan and Zimmer talking about it. (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/article/edith-piaf-vs-inceptions-mind-heist)
Quote from: R-V on July 24, 2010, 11:28:31 PM
Quote from: JD on July 23, 2010, 01:28:23 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2010, 01:04:26 PM
How about this: everything after Cobb went to sleep in Mumbasa (to test out the chemist's sedatives) was a dream. When Cobb "woke up" from the sedatives, he went to the bathroom to wash his face, but got interrupted by Saito before he could see if the top would stop spinning. At the end of the movie Cobb is still sleeping in that basement in Mumbasa. His gang had to perform inception on him to get him to forgive himself for what happened with his wife.
What? I don't get it. Why?
Eh, I don't even know anymore. That Starlin Castro's quite a player though.
I'm not saying you're wrong. I just don't get what the point of the movie was if that was the case. Besides being pretty cool, that is.
Quote from: Yeti on July 23, 2010, 09:05:00 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2010, 08:49:10 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 23, 2010, 08:39:56 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2010, 08:37:31 AM
This is movie is so awesome I don't want to spoil anything for dudes who haven't seen it.
He was dreaming at the end. The kids hadn't changed at all.
This works for me. Are you sure though? How long was he gone? That top wasn't spinning completely stable. It had a look that it would fall down. That said, I don't know if I've waited in anticipation for something to happen at the end of a movie like that.
I don't remember the length of his exile being explicitly mentioned (I'm sure it wasn't to maintain the ambiguity) but it seamed like he had been on the run for at least a year or so. From what I hear, those little bastards sprout up quite quickly.
The whole movie wasn't a dream though. In the scene in his apartment/hotel room where he talked to the kids on the phone, the top fell over, right?
On a general note, jebus that movie was intense. I was on the edge of my seat pretty much from the point they all went into the chemist's level 1 dream until the end.
True. I could go with a year gone. Kids do grow on occasions.
The top did fall over.
And, yea it was as intense as dick.
Now, to my thoughts on times in dreams. This movie seemed to coincide with my theory about how time works in dreams. Mine goes a step further. I base most of my thoughts on this from one experience about 4-6 years ago. I was at my grandparents house sleeping a little during the day. Someone was carrying a box and dropped it on the ground which woke me up when it hit. Well, in my dream, I was apparently sitting against the wall, talking to someone in our high school gym. The thing that "woke" me in the dream was that a basketball hit the wall right above our heads at the same time the box hit the ground, at least it was my perception. I surmised that the box hit the ground, my mind heard the sound, and since I was in my dream, my mind created a scenario in which a dream would coincide with what happened in the world around me. This whole experience had to take milliseconds to occur.
I did read some things saying that dreams occur at the same speed as real time. So, that could contend with my theory, but I found it interesting that Inception went a similar route with time in dreams.
Also, SEAM
Quote from: Canadouche on July 23, 2010, 08:54:28 AM
I have one story flaw question. In the first dream level (the raining city), they're supposed to "jump" awake when the van goes off the bridge -- only, they don't because they're all asleep in the hotel. Except 3rd Rock wasn't asleep -- shouldn't he have "jumped" and woken up when the van went off the bridge, leaving the others stuck in the snow fortress?
I don't think the "jump" in the van was going off the bridge, it was hitting the water. Going off the bridge gave them a time frame to go with for each subsequent dream level.
You're a dream analyzer now? Wtf Yeti? Just shut up and realize that you have no clue about what happened in this movie.
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on July 27, 2010, 06:50:48 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 23, 2010, 09:05:00 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2010, 08:49:10 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 23, 2010, 08:39:56 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2010, 08:37:31 AM
This is movie is so awesome I don't want to spoil anything for dudes who haven't seen it.
He was dreaming at the end. The kids hadn't changed at all.
This works for me. Are you sure though? How long was he gone? That top wasn't spinning completely stable. It had a look that it would fall down. That said, I don't know if I've waited in anticipation for something to happen at the end of a movie like that.
I don't remember the length of his exile being explicitly mentioned (I'm sure it wasn't to maintain the ambiguity) but it seamed like he had been on the run for at least a year or so. From what I hear, those little bastards sprout up quite quickly.
The whole movie wasn't a dream though. In the scene in his apartment/hotel room where he talked to the kids on the phone, the top fell over, right?
On a general note, jebus that movie was intense. I was on the edge of my seat pretty much from the point they all went into the chemist's level 1 dream until the end.
True. I could go with a year gone. Kids do grow on occasions.
The top did fall over.
And, yea it was as intense as dick.
Now, to my thoughts on times in dreams. This movie seemed to coincide with my theory about how time works in dreams. Mine goes a step further. I base most of my thoughts on this from one experience about 4-6 years ago. I was at my grandparents house sleeping a little during the day. Someone was carrying a box and dropped it on the ground which woke me up when it hit. Well, in my dream, I was apparently sitting against the wall, talking to someone in our high school gym. The thing that “woke” me in the dream was that a basketball hit the wall right above our heads at the same time the box hit the ground, at least it was my perception. I surmised that the box hit the ground, my mind heard the sound, and since I was in my dream, my mind created a scenario in which a dream would coincide with what happened in the world around me. This whole experience had to take milliseconds to occur.
I did read some things saying that dreams occur at the same speed as real time. So, that could contend with my theory, but I found it interesting that Inception went a similar route with time in dreams.
Also, SEAM
Quote from: Canadouche on July 23, 2010, 08:54:28 AM
I have one story flaw question. In the first dream level (the raining city), they're supposed to "jump" awake when the van goes off the bridge -- only, they don't because they're all asleep in the hotel. Except 3rd Rock wasn't asleep -- shouldn't he have "jumped" and woken up when the van went off the bridge, leaving the others stuck in the snow fortress?
I don't think the "jump" in the van was going off the bridge, it was hitting the water. Going off the bridge gave them a time frame to go with for each subsequent dream level.
You're a dream analyzer now? Wtf Yeti? Just shut up and realize that you have no clue about what happened in this movie.
I analyzed the movie....? Even in that 50 things about Inception that RV linked, the guy indicated the same thing. My assessment of the "jump was hitting the water" was not that off the cuff.
Quote from: Yeti on July 27, 2010, 08:11:34 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on July 27, 2010, 06:50:48 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 23, 2010, 09:05:00 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2010, 08:49:10 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 23, 2010, 08:39:56 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2010, 08:37:31 AM
This is movie is so awesome I don't want to spoil anything for dudes who haven't seen it.
He was dreaming at the end. The kids hadn't changed at all.
This works for me. Are you sure though? How long was he gone? That top wasn't spinning completely stable. It had a look that it would fall down. That said, I don't know if I've waited in anticipation for something to happen at the end of a movie like that.
I don't remember the length of his exile being explicitly mentioned (I'm sure it wasn't to maintain the ambiguity) but it seamed like he had been on the run for at least a year or so. From what I hear, those little bastards sprout up quite quickly.
The whole movie wasn't a dream though. In the scene in his apartment/hotel room where he talked to the kids on the phone, the top fell over, right?
On a general note, jebus that movie was intense. I was on the edge of my seat pretty much from the point they all went into the chemist's level 1 dream until the end.
True. I could go with a year gone. Kids do grow on occasions.
The top did fall over.
And, yea it was as intense as dick.
Now, to my thoughts on times in dreams. This movie seemed to coincide with my theory about how time works in dreams. Mine goes a step further. I base most of my thoughts on this from one experience about 4-6 years ago. I was at my grandparents house sleeping a little during the day. Someone was carrying a box and dropped it on the ground which woke me up when it hit. Well, in my dream, I was apparently sitting against the wall, talking to someone in our high school gym. The thing that "woke" me in the dream was that a basketball hit the wall right above our heads at the same time the box hit the ground, at least it was my perception. I surmised that the box hit the ground, my mind heard the sound, and since I was in my dream, my mind created a scenario in which a dream would coincide with what happened in the world around me. This whole experience had to take milliseconds to occur.
I did read some things saying that dreams occur at the same speed as real time. So, that could contend with my theory, but I found it interesting that Inception went a similar route with time in dreams.
Also, SEAM
Quote from: Canadouche on July 23, 2010, 08:54:28 AM
I have one story flaw question. In the first dream level (the raining city), they're supposed to "jump" awake when the van goes off the bridge -- only, they don't because they're all asleep in the hotel. Except 3rd Rock wasn't asleep -- shouldn't he have "jumped" and woken up when the van went off the bridge, leaving the others stuck in the snow fortress?
I don't think the "jump" in the van was going off the bridge, it was hitting the water. Going off the bridge gave them a time frame to go with for each subsequent dream level.
You're a dream analyzer now? Wtf Yeti? Just shut up and realize that you have no clue about what happened in this movie.
I analyzed the movie....? Even in that 50 things about Inception that RV linked, the guy indicated the same thing. My assessment of the "jump was hitting the water" was not that off the cuff.
Well the part where Leo said something to the effect of "that was the first jump, the next one is when we hit the water" probably should have given you some clue.
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Quote from: Yeti on July 23, 2010, 09:05:00 AM
I don't think the "jump" in the van was going off the bridge, it was hitting the water. Going off the bridge gave them a time frame to go with for each subsequent dream level.
You're a dream analyzer now? Wtf Yeti? Just shut up and realize that you have no clue about what happened in this movie.
I analyzed the movie....? Even in that 50 things about Inception that RV linked, the guy indicated the same thing. My assessment of the "jump was hitting the water" was not that off the cuff.
Well the part where Leo said something to the effect of "that was the first jump, the next one is when we hit the water" probably should have given you some clue.
Maybe I didn't recall that part. DID YOU THINK OF THAT?!@?!?!?!!? I don't think so. But this fills in the blanks I didn't recall at the time (http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Inception-Explained-Unraveling-The-Dream-Within-The-Dream-19615.html)
QuoteWhy didn't Arthur wake up when the van drove off the bridge?
A: When the van drives off the bridge, Cobb says they missed the first Kick. This is understandable since Cobb, Eams, Ariadne, and Fisher Jr. are two levels below it and can only be awakened by a kick in the level above them, where Arthur is. But Arthur is in the level directly below the vans, and the rules of the movie do seem to suggest that he should have awakened by that Kick. Perhaps experienced dreamers have some control over whether a Kick wakes them up? We're a little baffled by this one, let us know if you have a better theory.
Alternate Theory CB reader Jordan offers this possible explanation: Ealier in the movie Arthur tells Ariadne that if Yusuf kicks too early then they won't wake up. While normally in order to wake up you must recieve a Kick in the level above, this isn't true when using the special sedative. Instead with the sedative it takes two synchronized Kicks. In order to be Kicked when under the sedative you had to be kicked in both levels simultaneously. Arthur didn't have the second Kick ready when the van drove off the bridge, so he wasn't awakened by the van falling off the bridge.
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2010, 08:49:10 AM
The whole movie wasn't a dream though. In the scene in his apartment/hotel room where he talked to the kids on the phone, the top fell over, right?
It did, but are we sure the whole movie wasn't a dream? Leo was pretty specific that no one else should touch your totem. Only you should know how it works. So, when Leo spun his wife's totem, he learned how it worked. Then, he kept it for his own (unless we are supposed to think that he made a nearly identical one for himself). Who knows how a corrupted totem works? Maybe it falls when he wants it to fall, but it spins forever when he's preoccupied.
This will be a dvd to buy and re-watch very carefully.
How many movies and TV shows did it borrow from? I counted:
The Matrix
On Her Majesty's Secret Service / Bond in general
Dreamscape
The Twilight Zone (Shadow Play (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Play_%281961_The_Twilight_Zone_episode%29)
Blade Runner (the Dream Boxes were rather V-K ish)
Batman Begins
Fucking awesome.
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2010, 01:04:26 PM
How about this: everything after Cobb went to sleep in Mumbasa (to test out the chemist's sedatives) was a dream. When Cobb "woke up" from the sedatives, he went to the bathroom to wash his face, but got interrupted by Saito before he could see if the top would stop spinning. At the end of the movie Cobb is still sleeping in that basement in Mumbasa. His gang had to perform inception on him to get him to forgive himself for what happened with his wife.
By Jeff George, I think you've got it.
Finally saw this last night. Holy fucking tit balls, that was a good movie-film. Now I'm going to believe that all went well and he got home and you can't stop me because last time I checked, this was still 'Merica. Howevah, if I were going to dabble in some of the intrigue in this here thread, I'm most inclined to believe this one:
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2010, 01:04:26 PM
How about this: everything after Cobb went to sleep in Mumbasa (to test out the chemist's sedatives) was a dream. When Cobb "woke up" from the sedatives, he went to the bathroom to wash his face, but got interrupted by Saito before he could see if the top would stop spinning. At the end of the movie Cobb is still sleeping in that basement in Mumbasa. His gang had to perform inception on him to get him to forgive himself for what happened with his wife.
I just saw it Friday. I'm not going to act like I know what the fuck happened, but I thought I had a decent handle on when they were dreaming and on what level they were dreaiming throughout. Until the end. The thing about the kids not aging is a good point. I'm drawing my own simple conclusion that his totem fell at at the end because it was wobbling. The Mumbasa thing never occurred to me. So, I'll be seeing it again.
I'm a big fan of Leo's work. This is one of the few movies he's in where the actual film outshined him, regardless of how great he is in it. The Arthur dude is a decent actor, too. I enjoyed Juno's performance, too.
Oh, ETA: Has anyone ever had that thought like Cobb's wife did? That maybe what we perceive as the real world is all just a dream? I used to wonder about that all the time. I never wanted to jump off a ledge to find out, though.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 02, 2010, 07:59:21 AM
I just saw it Friday. I'm not going to act like I know what the fuck happened, but I thought I had a decent handle on when they were dreaming and on what level they were dreaiming throughout. Until the end. The thing about the kids not aging is a good point. I'm drawing my own simple conclusion that his totem fell at at the end because it was wobbling. The Mumbasa thing never occurred to me. So, I'll be seeing it again.
I'm a big fan of Leo's work. This is one of the few movies he's in where the actual film outshined him, regardless of how great he is in it. The Arthur dude is a decent actor, too. I enjoyed Juno's performance, too.
Oh, ETA: Has anyone ever had that thought like Cobb's wife did? That maybe what we perceive as the real world is all just a dream? I used to wonder about that all the time. I never wanted to jump off a ledge to find out, though.
Ellen Page gets more attractive every time I see her. Did you feel that? That was Ellen Page getting more attractive.
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 02, 2010, 09:51:21 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 02, 2010, 07:59:21 AM
I just saw it Friday. I'm not going to act like I know what the fuck happened, but I thought I had a decent handle on when they were dreaming and on what level they were dreaiming throughout. Until the end. The thing about the kids not aging is a good point. I'm drawing my own simple conclusion that his totem fell at at the end because it was wobbling. The Mumbasa thing never occurred to me. So, I'll be seeing it again.
I'm a big fan of Leo's work. This is one of the few movies he's in where the actual film outshined him, regardless of how great he is in it. The Arthur dude is a decent actor, too. I enjoyed Juno's performance, too.
Oh, ETA: Has anyone ever had that thought like Cobb's wife did? That maybe what we perceive as the real world is all just a dream? I used to wonder about that all the time. I never wanted to jump off a ledge to find out, though.
Ellen Page gets more attractive every time I see her. Did you feel that? That was Ellen Page getting more attractive.
She's pretty damn attractive with her hair down.
Quote from: SKO on August 02, 2010, 10:54:11 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 02, 2010, 09:51:21 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 02, 2010, 07:59:21 AM
I just saw it Friday. I'm not going to act like I know what the fuck happened, but I thought I had a decent handle on when they were dreaming and on what level they were dreaiming throughout. Until the end. The thing about the kids not aging is a good point. I'm drawing my own simple conclusion that his totem fell at at the end because it was wobbling. The Mumbasa thing never occurred to me. So, I'll be seeing it again.
I'm a big fan of Leo's work. This is one of the few movies he's in where the actual film outshined him, regardless of how great he is in it. The Arthur dude is a decent actor, too. I enjoyed Juno's performance, too.
Oh, ETA: Has anyone ever had that thought like Cobb's wife did? That maybe what we perceive as the real world is all just a dream? I used to wonder about that all the time. I never wanted to jump off a ledge to find out, though.
Ellen Page gets more attractive every time I see her. Did you feel that? That was Ellen Page getting more attractive.
She's pretty damn attractive with her hair down.
Agreed, and by her hair, I mean, my pants.
And she's legal, so you don't have to feel like a common Yeti.
Quote from: Fork on August 02, 2010, 11:53:35 AM
And she's legal, so you don't have to feel like a common Yeti.
She's 23. But she looks much, much younger.
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 02, 2010, 12:26:10 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 02, 2010, 11:53:35 AM
And she's legal, so you don't have to feel like a common Yeti.
She's 23. But she looks much, much younger.
HAWT.
Maybe Scrooge McDuck can help you guys figure out Inception.
http://videogum.com/208132/caught-inception-ripped-off-scrooge-mcduck/remakes-and-spinoffs/ (http://videogum.com/208132/caught-inception-ripped-off-scrooge-mcduck/remakes-and-spinoffs/)
http://disneycomics.free.fr/Ducks/Rosa/show.php?num=1&loc=D2002-033&s=date (http://disneycomics.free.fr/Ducks/Rosa/show.php?num=1&loc=D2002-033&s=date)