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Fuck this dude

jumping on the first pitch again.

dude fuckin loves bunts

Quote from: Oleg on May 25, 2018, 08:45:52 AM

Quote from: SKO on May 24, 2018, 02:17:09 PM

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Quote from: Huey Potatohead on May 23, 2018, 11:18:34 PM

Quote from: SKO on May 23, 2018, 09:18:13 PM
HOW in the fuck do you let Jason Heyward face Andrew Miller with Almora and Zobrist on the bench

His loyalty to Heyward led him to compound this mistake by not flip-flopping Edwards into his spot afterward.  Almora was going to lead off the 8th against Miller anyway, and when Cleveland's leadoff hitter hit a flare that Happ let drop, it struck me as stupid that Almora wasn't already out there (Edwards pitched around that and another single but the point remains).   Managers friggin' love to flip-flop, even when they don't have to—and Joe really didn't have to there because he likely wasn't  planning on Edwards going 2 innings anyway, but Joe is chief among the needless flip-flop practitioners as it is; it's  almost as if he went out of his way *not* to flip-flop there. 

The same guy who demoted Starlin Castro and then managed him to great things won't do the same with Heyward, who it would seem would be easier to manage through this as he seems more mature than Castro.  If it's any consolation I think that day is approaching soon, but dang it's frustrating to have to watch it play out.

Last year he left Heyward in to face Tony Watson late in a game when Almora was available and they lost, then later that season he let Heyward face Felipe Vazquez (Felipe Romero at the time) in a 1 run game in the 9th. The faith he shows in Heyward is utterly baffling, and considering the division race is probably going to be closer this year than it was in either of the previous two years giving Heyward the chance to embarrass himself in hope that it pays off down the road vs trying to win the fucking game is more grating than ever.

I'm glad you guys are able to find common ground...no one mention Addison Russell.

The guy whose OPS is now lower than it was as a rookie?

You're fucking special.

well the guy with a 90 OPS+ in 1675 major league plate appearances isn't

Quote from: Oleg on May 24, 2018, 02:13:35 PM

Quote from: SKO on May 24, 2018, 01:09:43 PM

Quote from: Huey Potatohead on May 23, 2018, 11:18:34 PM

Quote from: SKO on May 23, 2018, 09:18:13 PM
HOW in the fuck do you let Jason Heyward face Andrew Miller with Almora and Zobrist on the bench

His loyalty to Heyward led him to compound this mistake by not flip-flopping Edwards into his spot afterward.  Almora was going to lead off the 8th against Miller anyway, and when Cleveland's leadoff hitter hit a flare that Happ let drop, it struck me as stupid that Almora wasn't already out there (Edwards pitched around that and another single but the point remains).   Managers friggin' love to flip-flop, even when they don't have to—and Joe really didn't have to there because he likely wasn't  planning on Edwards going 2 innings anyway, but Joe is chief among the needless flip-flop practitioners as it is; it's  almost as if he went out of his way *not* to flip-flop there. 

The same guy who demoted Starlin Castro and then managed him to great things won't do the same with Heyward, who it would seem would be easier to manage through this as he seems more mature than Castro.  If it's any consolation I think that day is approaching soon, but dang it's frustrating to have to watch it play out.

Last year he left Heyward in to face Tony Watson late in a game when Almora was available and they lost, then later that season he let Heyward face Felipe Vazquez (Felipe Romero at the time) in a 1 run game in the 9th. The faith he shows in Heyward is utterly baffling, and considering the division race is probably going to be closer this year than it was in either of the previous two years giving Heyward the chance to embarrass himself in hope that it pays off down the road vs trying to win the fucking game is more grating than ever.

I'm glad you guys are able to find common ground...no one mention Addison Russell.

The guy whose OPS is now lower than it was as a rookie?

Quote from: Huey Potatohead on May 23, 2018, 11:18:34 PM

Quote from: SKO on May 23, 2018, 09:18:13 PM
HOW in the fuck do you let Jason Heyward face Andrew Miller with Almora and Zobrist on the bench

His loyalty to Heyward led him to compound this mistake by not flip-flopping Edwards into his spot afterward.  Almora was going to lead off the 8th against Miller anyway, and when Cleveland's leadoff hitter hit a flare that Happ let drop, it struck me as stupid that Almora wasn't already out there (Edwards pitched around that and another single but the point remains).   Managers friggin' love to flip-flop, even when they don't have to—and Joe really didn't have to there because he likely wasn't  planning on Edwards going 2 innings anyway, but Joe is chief among the needless flip-flop practitioners as it is; it's  almost as if he went out of his way *not* to flip-flop there. 

The same guy who demoted Starlin Castro and then managed him to great things won't do the same with Heyward, who it would seem would be easier to manage through this as he seems more mature than Castro.  If it's any consolation I think that day is approaching soon, but dang it's frustrating to have to watch it play out.

Last year he left Heyward in to face Tony Watson late in a game when Almora was available and they lost, then later that season he let Heyward face Felipe Vazquez (Felipe Romero at the time) in a 1 run game in the 9th. The faith he shows in Heyward is utterly baffling, and considering the division race is probably going to be closer this year than it was in either of the previous two years giving Heyward the chance to embarrass himself in hope that it pays off down the road vs trying to win the fucking game is more grating than ever.

HOW in the fuck do you let Jason Heyward face Andrew Miller with Almora and Zobrist on the bench

Quote from: Brownie on May 23, 2018, 07:17:56 PM

Quote from: Huey Potatohead on May 23, 2018, 09:13:50 AM

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Quote from: Tonker on May 23, 2018, 12:32:12 AM

Quote from: Huey Potatohead on May 22, 2018, 10:26:50 PM

Quote from: Brownie on May 22, 2018, 07:56:46 PM
Chuck should work  for Tyler Chatwood.

Seems lik a reasonable respons to 1 shitty outing from our #5 starter.

I mean, yes, it's an overreaction... but it's also been more than one shitty outing.  The dude has walked 34 guys in 43 IP.

sorry I mean YOU ENTITLED FUCK. YOU UNGRATEFUL SWINE. CAN YOU FUCKERS NOT ENJOY ANYTHING? YOU LIVED THROUGH RUBEN QUEVEDO AND YOU WANT TO COMPLAIN BECAUSE TYLER CHATWOOD HANDS OUT SOME FREE PASSES ON THE WAY TO BEING THE FIFTH STARTER THAT ANDREW LORRAINE ONLY DREAMED OF? THE YEARS WE SUFFERED AND YOU GODDAMN BABIES CAN'T DEAL WITH A FEW UGLY OUTINGS FROM A GUY THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN JIM LEFEBVRE'S ACE?

I

And DPD but SKO IS RIGHT!

No, it's doubtful Chatwood would be the No. 1 starter in front of Greg Maddux or Mike Morgan.

I confused Treblehorn and Lefebvre and thought Jim was only there for a year, 1993. Morgan wasn't great in 93

Quote from: Oleg on May 23, 2018, 08:58:43 AM

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Quote from: Tonker on May 23, 2018, 12:32:12 AM

Quote from: Huey Potatohead on May 22, 2018, 10:26:50 PM

Quote from: Brownie on May 22, 2018, 07:56:46 PM
Chuck should work  for Tyler Chatwood.

Seems lik a reasonable respons to 1 shitty outing from our #5 starter.

I mean, yes, it's an overreaction... but it's also been more than one shitty outing.  The dude has walked 34 guys in 43 IP.

Unless you believe ERA is the be-all end-all he's been very bad for most of the year. A 4.64 FIP is bad, a 1.620 WHIP is bad, they're 3-6 in games he's pitched in because even if he personally doesn't allow that many runs he hasn't gone deeper than 5 1/3rd in any of his starts in the last month and that puts tremendous strain on the bullpen.

As far as fifth starters go he's definitely capable of being a very good one if his walk rate regresses back to his career average (which is still bad, but workable with his stuff), but if he keeps the walk rate where it's been this year he's probably going to have more games like last night because it's hard to write off his 3% HR/FB rate entering last night as anything more than good luck and he's going to keep giving up more 3 run bombs if he walks two guys every inning.

I don't want to make it a habit of agreeing with SKO about such things and I think the idea that he's 'only' averaged 5.3 IP per start is, well, not bad for a 5th starter (the issue is that Darvish and Q are averaging  5 and ~5.3 per, respectively) but I'm going to agree with SKO here.

Fangraphs also agrees.

Honestly Tyler Chatwood is low on my list of complaints about the 2018 Cubs. He could definitely rise if his walk rate doesn't go back down to where it usually is for his career but assuming he simply can't keep walking 8 guys per 9 he should go back to being a perfectly acceptable 5. If that walk rate doesn't positively regress than whooo boy. That said even when he's "on" his starts are undoubtedly aggravating as hell because it's just not fun to watch a dude walk that many guys. As long as Quintana/Darvish look like the guys they were in their last starts and the rest of the rotation end up being who they were supposed to be most of my actual long term concerns about this team will have vanished and everything should end up fine. I like this team a lot over the course of a full season if they're going to get close to normal seasons from Quintana and Darvish. If those two were actually broken this rotation becomes ordinary and the team becomes vulnerable.

Quote from: Tonker on May 23, 2018, 12:32:12 AM

Quote from: Huey Potatohead on May 22, 2018, 10:26:50 PM

Quote from: Brownie on May 22, 2018, 07:56:46 PM
Chuck should work  for Tyler Chatwood.

Seems lik a reasonable respons to 1 shitty outing from our #5 starter.

I mean, yes, it's an overreaction... but it's also been more than one shitty outing.  The dude has walked 34 guys in 43 IP.

sorry I mean YOU ENTITLED FUCK. YOU UNGRATEFUL SWINE. CAN YOU FUCKERS NOT ENJOY ANYTHING? YOU LIVED THROUGH RUBEN QUEVEDO AND YOU WANT TO COMPLAIN BECAUSE TYLER CHATWOOD HANDS OUT SOME FREE PASSES ON THE WAY TO BEING THE FIFTH STARTER THAT ANDREW LORRAINE ONLY DREAMED OF? THE YEARS WE SUFFERED AND YOU GODDAMN BABIES CAN'T DEAL WITH A FEW UGLY OUTINGS FROM A GUY THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN JIM LEFEBVRE'S ACE?

Quote from: Tonker on May 23, 2018, 12:32:12 AM

Quote from: Huey Potatohead on May 22, 2018, 10:26:50 PM

Quote from: Brownie on May 22, 2018, 07:56:46 PM
Chuck should work  for Tyler Chatwood.

Seems lik a reasonable respons to 1 shitty outing from our #5 starter.

I mean, yes, it's an overreaction... but it's also been more than one shitty outing.  The dude has walked 34 guys in 43 IP.

Unless you believe ERA is the be-all end-all he's been very bad for most of the year. A 4.64 FIP is bad, a 1.620 WHIP is bad, they're 3-6 in games he's pitched in because even if he personally doesn't allow that many runs he hasn't gone deeper than 5 1/3rd in any of his starts in the last month and that puts tremendous strain on the bullpen.

As far as fifth starters go he's definitely capable of being a very good one if his walk rate regresses back to his career average (which is still bad, but workable with his stuff), but if he keeps the walk rate where it's been this year he's probably going to have more games like last night because it's hard to write off his 3% HR/FB rate entering last night as anything more than good luck and he's going to keep giving up more 3 run bombs if he walks two guys every inning.

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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 21, 2018, 10:44:36 AM
MB Financial Bank.

Heh.

How do you know they don't have a Single Greatest Thread Ever and you're on it?

My employers:

American National Bank - Dead
First Colonial Bank - Dead
Sumitomo Bank - Dead
LaSalle National Bank - Dead
KPMG Consulting / Bearing Point - Dead
National City Bank - Dead
AMCORE Bank - Dead
American Chartered Bank - Dead
MB Financial - Dead

I *AM* the bearer of the Single Greatest Thread ever.

I think you're the killer of financial institutions.

Chuck is clearly America's working class hero.

I'd like to see a few good starts in a row from them both but if Darvish and Quintana are fixed, especially Q, who hit 93 more times in that start than he had all season combined till then, my terror level is down to yellow. There's no green, so that's pretty good

Quote from: Oleg on May 21, 2018, 04:52:48 PM

Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 04:44:32 PM

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Quote from: Huey Potatohead on May 21, 2018, 02:07:58 PM

Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 02:01:48 PM
Almora has definitely been the biggest surprise of all of the Cubs young players because it's pretty hard to find a dude who was as bad as he was his first go-round in AA and ended up being a solid major league hitter. It really is amazing to go from an organization that couldn't teach Corey Patterson or Shawon Dunston how to make a single goddamn adjustment to seeing how they've turned Kris Bryant from Troy Glaus into Joey Votto, cut Javy down from a 40% K to a 20% K guy, apparently fixed the whole in Schwarber's swing, etc. There's not a lot of historical comps for the kinds of changes they've been able to get guys to make.

Also converting WillyCon into a beast catcher.  if Jim Hendry were still in charge, I feel like Contreras would be out of baseball by now.

Quite possible. Not to mention Rizzo going from a guy we once hoped would be the next Adam LaRoche to Anthony Goddamn Rizzo.

Player ARSS 2018 wRC+ = 99
Player AR1B 2018 wRC+ = 79
Player AACF 2018 wRC+ = 121

Guess who's who.

/stickpoke

I'm not unreasonable. Tony is allowed a month of slumping after years of being an offensive force. Russell only being a touch below league average in year four of being below average deserves no such benefit of the doubt

I'm just messing around.  Aside from last year's cliff, Russell has been only slightly below average offensively while still putting up about a 3 fWAR.  We should probably expect more but he certainly doesn't suck.

Well shit if throwing out an entire bad season raises him to only slightly below average then he's great

Quote from: Oleg on May 21, 2018, 04:27:57 PM

Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 02:14:56 PM

Quote from: Huey Potatohead on May 21, 2018, 02:07:58 PM

Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 02:01:48 PM
Almora has definitely been the biggest surprise of all of the Cubs young players because it's pretty hard to find a dude who was as bad as he was his first go-round in AA and ended up being a solid major league hitter. It really is amazing to go from an organization that couldn't teach Corey Patterson or Shawon Dunston how to make a single goddamn adjustment to seeing how they've turned Kris Bryant from Troy Glaus into Joey Votto, cut Javy down from a 40% K to a 20% K guy, apparently fixed the whole in Schwarber's swing, etc. There's not a lot of historical comps for the kinds of changes they've been able to get guys to make.

Also converting WillyCon into a beast catcher.  if Jim Hendry were still in charge, I feel like Contreras would be out of baseball by now.

Quite possible. Not to mention Rizzo going from a guy we once hoped would be the next Adam LaRoche to Anthony Goddamn Rizzo.

Player ARSS 2018 wRC+ = 99
Player AR1B 2018 wRC+ = 79
Player AACF 2018 wRC+ = 121

Guess who's who.

/stickpoke

I'm not unreasonable. Tony is allowed a month of slumping after years of being an offensive force. Russell only being a touch below league average in year four of being below average deserves no such benefit of the doubt