Woot.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3140/3019048267_11739bc8d4.jpg)
They'd better beat the New Fork Giants by at least two TDs so that I can go one fucking week without hearing about how big of a fluke their win was.
Quote from: SKO on October 03, 2010, 06:55:00 PM
They'd better beat the New Fork Giants by at least two TDs so that I can go one fucking week without hearing about how big of a fluke their win was.
Better hope they don't score on special teams or create many turnovers either. It only counts if your offense scores on a drive of 7 plays or more, in which the defense commits zero penalties.
Quote from: SKO on October 03, 2010, 06:55:00 PM
They'd better beat the New Fork Giants by at least two TDs so that I can go one fucking week without hearing about how big of a fluke their win was.
Don't be so sure. They could win 31-0 and it would have been because of Giants mistakes, refs, Coughlin, replay, Calvin Johnson, and the Packers' penalties.
Quote from: fiveouts on October 03, 2010, 07:20:14 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 03, 2010, 06:55:00 PM
They'd better beat the New Fork Giants by at least two TDs so that I can go one fucking week without hearing about how big of a fluke their win was.
Don't be so sure. They could win 31-0 and it would have been because of Giants mistakes, refs, Coughlin, replay, Calvin Johnson, and the Packers' penalties.
Exactly. NFL Wins only count if you have more points, total yards, rushing yards, passing yards, a greater time of possession, nicer uniforms, AND the opponent played a mistake-free game and just couldn't best you.
Quote from: SKO on October 03, 2010, 07:27:20 PM
Quote from: fiveouts on October 03, 2010, 07:20:14 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 03, 2010, 06:55:00 PM
They'd better beat the New Fork Giants by at least two TDs so that I can go one fucking week without hearing about how big of a fluke their win was.
Don't be so sure. They could win 31-0 and it would have been because of Giants mistakes, refs, Coughlin, replay, Calvin Johnson, and the Packers' penalties.
Exactly. NFL Wins only count if you have more points, total yards, rushing yards, passing yards, a greater time of possession, nicer uniforms, AND the opponent played a mistake-free game and just couldn't best you.
Which is why the Lions technically won again today. I don't want to hear about how awesome Green Bay is anymore. Fuck them.
Time for this week's brilliant My Kemartz adjustments.
Two obvious holds AND a block in the back missed that series...
What was THAT throw?
Quote from: BC on October 03, 2010, 08:02:19 PM
What was THAT throw?
I still think you're not real.
Well, the Fighting Coughlins got no points out of it. All's well that ends well.
It would be really nice if Greg Olsen finished a route across the middle instead of just spinning around and looking confused.
What a fistpillow fight.
Fuck this game.
Collinsworth is fucking annoying. Oh yeah-the Bears are playing like shit, too.
This game is, somehow, still very winnable...
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 03, 2010, 08:21:08 PM
This game is, somehow, still very winnable...
The Bears are giving this game to them on a platter, yet they aren't taking it.
I always knew Brad Maynard was pretty good, but wow, this guy is making him look like Ray Guy.
Quote from: BC on October 03, 2010, 08:22:40 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 03, 2010, 08:21:08 PM
This game is, somehow, still very winnable...
The Bears are giving this game to them on a platter, yet they aren't taking it.
First team to send a competent NCAA Div. 1A offense onto the field wins?
Finally get a 2nd and short, and Olsen gets a dumbass false start penalty.
Guh.
Good God, Greg Olsen is fucking terrible.
My eyes are melting watching this offense right now. Yikes.
For all the talk of Cutler can't hold it that long...I'm not hearing that receivers are open.
Boise State would be beating either team by 17.
When do the adjustments start again?
Shitty football and a BC Paulcast to go with it.
Fuck it all.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 03, 2010, 08:32:08 PM
When do the adjustments start again?
Second half of second quarter, IIRC.
The adjustments start when either the defense or Hester makes a play to win the game.
Quote from: BC on October 03, 2010, 08:36:05 PM
Quote from: BC on October 03, 2010, 08:34:10 PM
The adjustments start when either the defense or Hester makes a play to win the game.
Pending review, Peppers is earning his money once again.
Quote from: PANK! on October 03, 2010, 08:35:12 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 03, 2010, 08:33:59 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 03, 2010, 08:32:08 PM
When do the adjustments start again?
Second half of second quarter, IIRC.
DPSQD
I like Julius Peppers a lot.
Me too.
But holy shit...I think anyone on this message board could sack Cutler right now.
What's the team record for sacks in a game?
Matt Forte can go ahead and fuck off, too. Find a hole, for chrissake.
5 yards. TOTAL.
Quote from: fiveouts on October 03, 2010, 08:38:38 PM
Matt Forte can go ahead and fuck off, too. Find a hole, for chrissake.
Really?
It's only 3-0. Relax.
Forte looks like he took the Cedric Benson Hole Avoidance class... Cutler has just looked terrible... Olsen has been bad... And the Bears are only down 3-0??? Not sure whether I should be calm, panicked, or confused...
All the Bears need is one half of football to win this game...or maybe even one drive in the first half.
And they can't even begin a drive at this point. Wow.
Oh, NOW they call a freaking holding. Good grief.
The Bears escaped the worst offensive half of the season down 3-0. I'm feeling good about this.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 03, 2010, 08:53:46 PM
The Bears escaped the worst offensive half of the season down 3-0. I'm feeling good about this.
Predicted final score: Giants win 3-2.
This is how I thought the season was going to go. Minus the good play on defense of course. I liked bizarro-Bears better. Let's hope they have them on ice in the locker room ready to make a comeback after the half.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 03, 2010, 08:54:01 PM
Quote from: BC on October 03, 2010, 08:47:02 PM
Good grief.
You can say that again!
Good grief.
The good news, I guess, is that the Bears are only down 3. The bad news is that it might take 100 drives for the Bears to score 6 points tonight.
One of the defense/Hester will likely have to either win the game or give the offense a very short field.
Well, this first half guarantees that even if they were to come out and score 35 points in the second half, I'd have to avoid the braying morons on sports radio all week.
I changed my mind: this game is hilarious.
Man, that Julius Peppers sure doesn't defend the run well.
Awesome. Just fucking awesome.
Todd Collins is coming in.
Yes?!?!?!?
Oh, no. The Todd Collins Experience.
Concussion for Cutler, I bet.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 03, 2010, 09:10:29 PM
Oh, no. The Todd Collins Experience.
Concussion for Cutler, I bet.
Bingo.
I'm surprised Collinsworth hasn't blamed Cutler for not having a hard enough head.
Quote from: fiveouts on October 03, 2010, 09:12:46 PM
I'm surprised Collinsworth hasn't blamed Cutler for not having a hard enough head.
Apparently Cutler could survive 8 sacks, but 9 was one too many.
I know the NFL has been getting record ratings this season, but if anyone that's not a Bears or Giants fan is still watching this game I would be shocked.
When I wrote the previous post, I didn't realize Collinsworth would actually blame Cutler for his concussion.
Quote from: fiveouts on October 03, 2010, 09:22:14 PM
When I wrote the previous post, I didn't realize Collinsworth would actually blame Cutler for the concussion.
You really should have.
This might be the game right here. The Bears have the Giants pinned inside the 10. The defense could win the game by getting a turnover or forcing a three and out...
Apparently the Ohio State-Illinois officials are now working for the Giants tonight. Dear goodness, that was a TERRIBLE spot.
I'm guessing Cutler had a concussion early on because he was playing like a goofy tard pretty much the entire half.
If the Giants score a TD, the game is over.
Ballgame.
Oh yay. The meatheads are going to have a field day. By Tuesday, Martz should be fired, Cutler should be cut, and we'll "need to give dat kid Brett Basanez a shot."
Quote from: fiveouts on October 03, 2010, 09:32:16 PM
Oh yay. The meatheads are going to have a field day. By Tuesday, Martz should be fired, Cutler should be cut, and we'll "need to give dat kid Brett Basanez a shot."
Who gives a shit what they have to say?
Quote from: air2300 on October 03, 2010, 09:33:38 PM
Quote from: fiveouts on October 03, 2010, 09:32:16 PM
Oh yay. The meatheads are going to have a field day. By Tuesday, Martz should be fired, Cutler should be cut, and we'll "need to give dat kid Brett Basanez a shot."
Who gives a shit what they have to say?
The guy who spends too much time in a car without a decent IPod hookup.
Quote from: fiveouts on October 03, 2010, 09:34:45 PM
Quote from: air2300 on October 03, 2010, 09:33:38 PM
Quote from: fiveouts on October 03, 2010, 09:32:16 PM
Oh yay. The meatheads are going to have a field day. By Tuesday, Martz should be fired, Cutler should be cut, and we'll "need to give dat kid Brett Basanez a shot."
Who gives a shit what they have to say?
The guy who spends too much time in a car without a decent IPod hookup.
Isn't that what the Loop is for? It's the best radio station I've listened to anywhere.
Quote from: fiveouts on October 03, 2010, 09:32:16 PM
Oh yay. The meatheads are going to have a field day. By Tuesday, Martz should be fired, Cutler should be cut, and we'll "need to give dat kid Brett Basanez a shot."
Brett Basabeenz!
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 03, 2010, 09:36:49 PM
Quote from: fiveouts on October 03, 2010, 09:34:45 PM
Quote from: air2300 on October 03, 2010, 09:33:38 PM
Quote from: fiveouts on October 03, 2010, 09:32:16 PM
Oh yay. The meatheads are going to have a field day. By Tuesday, Martz should be fired, Cutler should be cut, and we'll "need to give dat kid Brett Basanez a shot."
Who gives a shit what they have to say?
The guy who spends too much time in a car without a decent IPod hookup.
Isn't that what the Loop is for? It's the best radio station I've listened to anywhere.
Not a big fan of most of FM radio (too repetitive)...probably going to have to change this week. On a side note, its amazing how, now that Cutler's out of the game, everything is the offensive line's fault.
Ok Devin, time to take over.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 03, 2010, 09:36:49 PM
Quote from: fiveouts on October 03, 2010, 09:34:45 PM
Quote from: air2300 on October 03, 2010, 09:33:38 PM
Quote from: fiveouts on October 03, 2010, 09:32:16 PM
Oh yay. The meatheads are going to have a field day. By Tuesday, Martz should be fired, Cutler should be cut, and we'll "need to give dat kid Brett Basanez a shot."
Who gives a shit what they have to say?
The guy who spends too much time in a car without a decent IPod hookup.
Isn't that what the Loop is for? It's the best radio station I've listened to anywhere.
Sometimes I'm not in the mood for Saigon Kick.
What's Zak Kustok doing? Besides, of course, funding dad's legal defense.
Quote from: Brownie on October 03, 2010, 09:42:07 PM
What's Zak Kustok doing? Besides, of course, funding dad's legal defense.
Damn...
Quote from: Slaky on October 03, 2010, 09:41:16 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 03, 2010, 09:36:49 PM
Quote from: fiveouts on October 03, 2010, 09:34:45 PM
Quote from: air2300 on October 03, 2010, 09:33:38 PM
Quote from: fiveouts on October 03, 2010, 09:32:16 PM
Oh yay. The meatheads are going to have a field day. By Tuesday, Martz should be fired, Cutler should be cut, and we'll "need to give dat kid Brett Basanez a shot."
Who gives a shit what they have to say?
The guy who spends too much time in a car without a decent IPod hookup.
Isn't that what the Loop is for? It's the best radio station I've listened to anywhere.
Sometimes I'm not in the mood for Saigon Kick.
Isn't that what Third Door Down is for?
So... Hawks?
LET'S GO 99 YARDS TO GLORY!!! LET'S GO BEARS LET'S GO BEARS.
I hit my head earlier.
I fucking hate Jerry Angelo.
Quote from: SKO on October 03, 2010, 10:22:39 PM
I fucking hate Jerry Angelo.
Manumaleuna and Taylor, instead of stud linemen, seems like a really bad idea at the moment.
This might have been the most horrible football game I've watched this decade.
I want my three hours back.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 03, 2010, 10:28:15 PM
This might have been the most horrible football game I've watched this decade.
This game (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=221229003) might have an argument.
So what will it take to get Mankins?
Watching this game was the most surreal experience of my life. How ridiculous was it that it was a 1 POSSESSION GAME with 6:50 to go, and the Bears had the ball. Wow.
Quote from: BC on October 03, 2010, 08:44:34 PMForte looks like he took the Cedric Benson BC Hole Avoidance class...
Dear goodness, you're a virgin'd
Last night I truly realized the dark side of having a franchise quarterback. In all of the other years in which the Bears have had god-awful offensive lines, I never really held my breath with the dread of losing Erik Kramer, Rick Mirer, Dave Krieg, Steve Stenstrom, Moses Moreno, Shane Matthews, Cade McNown, Jim Miller, Chris Chandler, Henry Burris, Kordell Stewart, Jonathan Quinn, Craig Krenzel, Chad Hutchinson, or Brian Fucking Griese to any kind of significant injury. The franchise would "recover" because they could just throw another nameless journeyman out there to take his whacks. But Cutler? Christ almighty did it hurt to watch him take that beating. I'm aware that he'd been sacked 43 times in 19 games before last night, but last night was the first time I was truly afraid that he wouldn't get back up.
Right now, if they get Chris Williams back (not that he's that good, but he's at least better than what's out there right now) and settle on one offensive line and modify the protections and find some way to at least offer enough of a running threat that they can (wait for it) set up a few play action passes to kill the blitz I think they can still take advantage of their easy first half schedule and lock in that first round playoff exit. But if Cutler goes down...well, I know we'd all get our wish to see Lovie gone, but I'm still terrified Angelo's going to stay. I'm not really sure where I'm going with this, other than Jesus Christ, I really, really fucking hate Jerry Angelo.
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 07:52:52 AM
Last night I truly realized the dark side of having a franchise quarterback. In all of the other years in which the Bears have had god-awful offensive lines, I never really held my breath with the dread of losing Erik Kramer, Rick Mirer, Dave Krieg, Steve Stenstrom, Moses Moreno, Shane Matthews, Cade McNown, Jim Miller, Chris Chandler, Henry Burris, Kordell Stewart, Jonathan Quinn, Craig Krenzel, Chad Hutchinson, or Brian Fucking Griese to any kind of significant injury. The franchise would "recover" because they could just throw another nameless journeyman out there to take his whacks. But Cutler? Christ almighty did it hurt to watch him take that beating. I'm aware that he'd been sacked 43 times in 19 games before last night, but last night was the first time I was truly afraid that he wouldn't get back up.
Right now, if they get Chris Williams back (not that he's that good, but he's at least better than what's out there right now) and settle on one offensive line and modify the protections and find some way to at least offer enough of a running threat that they can (wait for it) set up a few play action passes to kill the blitz I think they can still take advantage of their easy first half schedule and lock in that first round playoff exit. But if Cutler goes down...well, I know we'd all get our wish to see Lovie gone, but I'm still terrified Angelo's going to stay. I'm not really sure where I'm going with this, other than Jesus Christ, I really, really fucking hate Jerry Angelo.
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, you'd be a dumb hick from Iowa that still hasn't realized this team is not good.
CUTLER HOLDS BALL TO LONG & GOT WHAT HE DESSERVED. PLAY CALE BHANIE AND FORGET THAT MEALYMOUTHED HANGDOG CUTLER TRADE HIM ALONG WITH ZAMBRANO!!! CHICAGO DESSERVES A WINNAR!!!! LOVIE CAN GO FUCK OFF AND ADIE!
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on October 04, 2010, 08:02:59 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 07:52:52 AM
Last night I truly realized the dark side of having a franchise quarterback. In all of the other years in which the Bears have had god-awful offensive lines, I never really held my breath with the dread of losing Erik Kramer, Rick Mirer, Dave Krieg, Steve Stenstrom, Moses Moreno, Shane Matthews, Cade McNown, Jim Miller, Chris Chandler, Henry Burris, Kordell Stewart, Jonathan Quinn, Craig Krenzel, Chad Hutchinson, or Brian Fucking Griese to any kind of significant injury. The franchise would "recover" because they could just throw another nameless journeyman out there to take his whacks. But Cutler? Christ almighty did it hurt to watch him take that beating. I'm aware that he'd been sacked 43 times in 19 games before last night, but last night was the first time I was truly afraid that he wouldn't get back up.
Right now, if they get Chris Williams back (not that he's that good, but he's at least better than what's out there right now) and settle on one offensive line and modify the protections and find some way to at least offer enough of a running threat that they can (wait for it) set up a few play action passes to kill the blitz I think they can still take advantage of their easy first half schedule and lock in that first round playoff exit. But if Cutler goes down...well, I know we'd all get our wish to see Lovie gone, but I'm still terrified Angelo's going to stay. I'm not really sure where I'm going with this, other than Jesus Christ, I really, really fucking hate Jerry Angelo.
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, you'd be a dumb hick from Iowa that still hasn't realized this team is not good.
Clearly, I'm nothing if not a blind optimist.
Quote from: Brownie on October 03, 2010, 09:42:07 PMWhat's Zak Kustok doing? Besides, of course, funding dad's legal defense.
I'm a masochist, so I tuned in to the Comcast postgame show immediately following the game. Each analyst gives their opening remarks at the top of the show. After that tub of goo Jiggs went on for a couple minutes about being butthurt that the O line would tarnish the reputation of his proud franchise, Jim Miller noted that it's pretty hard to win a game when your first two quarterbacks "come home in bodybags." Too soon, Jim.
Quote from: R-V on October 04, 2010, 08:46:58 AM
Quote from: Brownie on October 03, 2010, 09:42:07 PMWhat's Zak Kustok doing? Besides, of course, funding dad's legal defense.
I'm a masochist, so I tuned in to the Comcast postgame show immediately following the game. Each analyst gives their opening remarks at the top of the show. After that tub of goo Jiggs went on for a couple minutes about being butthurt that the O line would tarnish the reputation of his proud franchise, Jim Miller noted that it's pretty hard to win a game when your first two quarterbacks "come home in bodybags." Too soon, Jim.
Jim would know better than most. If that was him out there they'd have needed to pick up his remains and take them off in a wheelbarrow.
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 07:52:52 AM
Last night I truly realized the dark side of having a franchise quarterback. In all of the other years in which the Bears have had god-awful offensive lines, I never really held my breath with the dread of losing Erik Kramer, Rick Mirer, Dave Krieg, Steve Stenstrom, Moses Moreno, Shane Matthews, Cade McNown, Jim Miller, Chris Chandler, Henry Burris, Kordell Stewart, Jonathan Quinn, Craig Krenzel, Chad Hutchinson, or Brian Fucking Griese to any kind of significant injury. The franchise would "recover" because they could just throw another nameless journeyman out there to take his whacks. But Cutler? Christ almighty did it hurt to watch him take that beating. I'm aware that he'd been sacked 43 times in 19 games before last night, but last night was the first time I was truly afraid that he wouldn't get back up.
Right now, if they get Chris Williams back (not that he's that good, but he's at least better than what's out there right now) and settle on one offensive line and modify the protections and find some way to at least offer enough of a running threat that they can (wait for it) set up a few play action passes to kill the blitz I think they can still take advantage of their easy first half schedule and lock in that first round playoff exit. But if Cutler goes down...well, I know we'd all get our wish to see Lovie gone, but I'm still terrified Angelo's going to stay. I'm not really sure where I'm going with this, other than Jesus Christ, I really, really fucking hate Jerry Angelo.
I liked how the Bears kept rotating offensive lineman last night. Someone would get his ass eaten by a Giants D-lineman, they'd replace him with something called Edwin or Webb, that guy would get his balls caved in, and they'd bring the first asshole back in. Good times. Is Lance Louis seriously injured? Why do I care?
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: R-V on October 04, 2010, 08:46:58 AM
Quote from: Brownie on October 03, 2010, 09:42:07 PMWhat's Zak Kustok doing? Besides, of course, funding dad's legal defense.
I'm a masochist, so I tuned in to the Comcast postgame show immediately following the game. Each analyst gives their opening remarks at the top of the show. After that tub of goo Jiggs went on for a couple minutes about being butthurt that the O line would tarnish the reputation of his proud franchise, Jim Miller noted that it's pretty hard to win a game when your first two quarterbacks "come home in bodybags." Too soon, Jim.
Jim would know better than most. If that was him out there they'd have needed to pick up his remains and take them off in a wheelbarrow.
Intrepid Reader: Hugh DouglassOk. I laughed.
Quote from: R-V on October 04, 2010, 08:53:24 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 07:52:52 AM
Last night I truly realized the dark side of having a franchise quarterback. In all of the other years in which the Bears have had god-awful offensive lines, I never really held my breath with the dread of losing Erik Kramer, Rick Mirer, Dave Krieg, Steve Stenstrom, Moses Moreno, Shane Matthews, Cade McNown, Jim Miller, Chris Chandler, Henry Burris, Kordell Stewart, Jonathan Quinn, Craig Krenzel, Chad Hutchinson, or Brian Fucking Griese to any kind of significant injury. The franchise would "recover" because they could just throw another nameless journeyman out there to take his whacks. But Cutler? Christ almighty did it hurt to watch him take that beating. I'm aware that he'd been sacked 43 times in 19 games before last night, but last night was the first time I was truly afraid that he wouldn't get back up.
Right now, if they get Chris Williams back (not that he's that good, but he's at least better than what's out there right now) and settle on one offensive line and modify the protections and find some way to at least offer enough of a running threat that they can (wait for it) set up a few play action passes to kill the blitz I think they can still take advantage of their easy first half schedule and lock in that first round playoff exit. But if Cutler goes down...well, I know we'd all get our wish to see Lovie gone, but I'm still terrified Angelo's going to stay. I'm not really sure where I'm going with this, other than Jesus Christ, I really, really fucking hate Jerry Angelo.
I liked how the Bears kept rotating offensive lineman last night. Someone would get his ass eaten by a Giants D-lineman, they'd replace him with something called Edwin or Webb, that guy would get his balls caved in, and they'd bring the first asshole back in. Good times. Is Lance Louis seriously injured? Why do I care?
I like when Hester actually seemed to be breaking free on a screen and Edwin straight up tackled his ass. Good form tackle, too. As much as I like the "accountability" thing, they really need to get Williams back healthy and pick five guys and then try to ride them out. It's impossible to get in a groove and get up to game speed on the offensive line if you have 3 guys rotating every snap.
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 08:56:59 AM
Quote from: R-V on October 04, 2010, 08:53:24 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 07:52:52 AM
Last night I truly realized the dark side of having a franchise quarterback. In all of the other years in which the Bears have had god-awful offensive lines, I never really held my breath with the dread of losing Erik Kramer, Rick Mirer, Dave Krieg, Steve Stenstrom, Moses Moreno, Shane Matthews, Cade McNown, Jim Miller, Chris Chandler, Henry Burris, Kordell Stewart, Jonathan Quinn, Craig Krenzel, Chad Hutchinson, or Brian Fucking Griese to any kind of significant injury. The franchise would "recover" because they could just throw another nameless journeyman out there to take his whacks. But Cutler? Christ almighty did it hurt to watch him take that beating. I'm aware that he'd been sacked 43 times in 19 games before last night, but last night was the first time I was truly afraid that he wouldn't get back up.
Right now, if they get Chris Williams back (not that he's that good, but he's at least better than what's out there right now) and settle on one offensive line and modify the protections and find some way to at least offer enough of a running threat that they can (wait for it) set up a few play action passes to kill the blitz I think they can still take advantage of their easy first half schedule and lock in that first round playoff exit. But if Cutler goes down...well, I know we'd all get our wish to see Lovie gone, but I'm still terrified Angelo's going to stay. I'm not really sure where I'm going with this, other than Jesus Christ, I really, really fucking hate Jerry Angelo.
I liked how the Bears kept rotating offensive lineman last night. Someone would get his ass eaten by a Giants D-lineman, they'd replace him with something called Edwin or Webb, that guy would get his balls caved in, and they'd bring the first asshole back in. Good times. Is Lance Louis seriously injured? Why do I care?
I like when Hester actually seemed to be breaking free on a screen and Edwin straight up tackled his ass. Good form tackle, too. As much as I like the "accountability" thing, they really need to get Williams back healthy and pick five guys and then try to ride them out. It's impossible to get in a groove and get up to game speed on the offensive line if you have 3 guys rotating every snap.
Rumor in the Trib is that the Bears may re-sign Jesus H. Beekman off the street for depth.
Quote from: CT III on October 04, 2010, 08:58:45 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 08:56:59 AM
Quote from: R-V on October 04, 2010, 08:53:24 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 07:52:52 AM
Last night I truly realized the dark side of having a franchise quarterback. In all of the other years in which the Bears have had god-awful offensive lines, I never really held my breath with the dread of losing Erik Kramer, Rick Mirer, Dave Krieg, Steve Stenstrom, Moses Moreno, Shane Matthews, Cade McNown, Jim Miller, Chris Chandler, Henry Burris, Kordell Stewart, Jonathan Quinn, Craig Krenzel, Chad Hutchinson, or Brian Fucking Griese to any kind of significant injury. The franchise would "recover" because they could just throw another nameless journeyman out there to take his whacks. But Cutler? Christ almighty did it hurt to watch him take that beating. I'm aware that he'd been sacked 43 times in 19 games before last night, but last night was the first time I was truly afraid that he wouldn't get back up.
Right now, if they get Chris Williams back (not that he's that good, but he's at least better than what's out there right now) and settle on one offensive line and modify the protections and find some way to at least offer enough of a running threat that they can (wait for it) set up a few play action passes to kill the blitz I think they can still take advantage of their easy first half schedule and lock in that first round playoff exit. But if Cutler goes down...well, I know we'd all get our wish to see Lovie gone, but I'm still terrified Angelo's going to stay. I'm not really sure where I'm going with this, other than Jesus Christ, I really, really fucking hate Jerry Angelo.
I liked how the Bears kept rotating offensive lineman last night. Someone would get his ass eaten by a Giants D-lineman, they'd replace him with something called Edwin or Webb, that guy would get his balls caved in, and they'd bring the first asshole back in. Good times. Is Lance Louis seriously injured? Why do I care?
I like when Hester actually seemed to be breaking free on a screen and Edwin straight up tackled his ass. Good form tackle, too. As much as I like the "accountability" thing, they really need to get Williams back healthy and pick five guys and then try to ride them out. It's impossible to get in a groove and get up to game speed on the offensive line if you have 3 guys rotating every snap.
Rumor in the Trib is that the Bears may re-sign Jesus H. Beekman off the street for depth.
In case they need another undersized short guy to land in Cutler/Hanie/Kustok's lap? Bonar. Oleg? How's your knee?
What the fuck happened to the Bears last night? Eleventeen sacks...in one half? Damn.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 04, 2010, 11:12:20 AM
What the fuck happened to the Bears last night? Eleventeen sacks...in one half? Damn.
We're aware of it. Thanks.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 04, 2010, 11:19:31 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 04, 2010, 11:12:20 AM
What the fuck happened to the Bears last night? Eleventeen sacks...in one half? Damn.
We're aware of it. Thanks.
Well, at least you got to see some Caleb Hanie.
The only thing better than meathead fans is the guy the meatheads adore (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/news/story?id=5647783)
Quote"I don't think anybody was open down field, because they had seven in coverage, but the quarterback has to get the ball out of his hands, too," Ditka said Monday on "Mike & Mike" on ESPN Radio. "He looked like he was not even aware of the pressure around him.
"That's all part of football, the quarterback has to have that little clock in his head that says 'I have to get rid of the football.' Jay Cutler didn't have it yesterday, that's for sure. "
Had he chucked it down the field people would have been bitching about his picks.
QuoteDitka said he noticed Lovie Smith's demeanor during the game, and Ditka said he would have reacted differently.
"Lovie is a low-key guy," Ditka said. "I couldn't believe ... I would have went [psycho] yesterday. I would have been ballistic. I watched him and he had complete control and composure. I guess that's good, but you have to call somebody out. The line coach or somebody had to call these guys over.
"Football to me is a game of pride. You get what you tolerate. If you tolerate the other guy beating you, that's what you're going to get. I look at it that way. This is me and you, one on one(11 on 11???). Forget the other guys. I'm going to win my battle, and if we have enough guys winning those individual battles, we'll win this football game. And that's the way you have to approach it."
Gentlemen, he's talking about toleration... BULLSHIT TOLERATION
Quote from: Yeti on October 04, 2010, 12:27:20 PM
The only thing better than meathead fans is the guy the meatheads adore (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/news/story?id=5647783)
Quote"I don't think anybody was open down field, because they had seven in coverage, but the quarterback has to get the ball out of his hands, too," Ditka said Monday on "Mike & Mike" on ESPN Radio. "He looked like he was not even aware of the pressure around him.
"That's all part of football, the quarterback has to have that little clock in his head that says 'I have to get rid of the football.' Jay Cutler didn't have it yesterday, that's for sure. "
Had he chucked it down the field people would have been bitching about his picks.[/b]
QuoteDitka said he noticed Lovie Smith's demeanor during the game, and Ditka said he would have reacted differently.
"Lovie is a low-key guy," Ditka said. "I couldn't believe ... I would have went [psycho] yesterday. I would have been ballistic. I watched him and he had complete control and composure. I guess that's good, but you have to call somebody out. The line coach or somebody had to call these guys over.
"Football to me is a game of pride. You get what you tolerate. If you tolerate the other guy beating you, that's what you're going to get. I look at it that way. This is me and you, one on one(11 on 11???). Forget the other guys. I'm going to win my battle, and if we have enough guys winning those individual battles, we'll win this football game. And that's the way you have to approach it."
Gentlemen, he's talking about toleration... BULLSHIT TOLERATION
That meathead Collinsworth was constantly saying the same thing.
Quote from: Waco Kid on October 04, 2010, 12:32:52 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 04, 2010, 12:27:20 PM
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Quote"I don't think anybody was open down field, because they had seven in coverage, but the quarterback has to get the ball out of his hands, too," Ditka said Monday on "Mike & Mike" on ESPN Radio. "He looked like he was not even aware of the pressure around him.
"That's all part of football, the quarterback has to have that little clock in his head that says 'I have to get rid of the football.' Jay Cutler didn't have it yesterday, that's for sure. "
Had he chucked it down the field people would have been bitching about his picks.[/b]
QuoteDitka said he noticed Lovie Smith's demeanor during the game, and Ditka said he would have reacted differently.
"Lovie is a low-key guy," Ditka said. "I couldn't believe ... I would have went [psycho] yesterday. I would have been ballistic. I watched him and he had complete control and composure. I guess that's good, but you have to call somebody out. The line coach or somebody had to call these guys over.
"Football to me is a game of pride. You get what you tolerate. If you tolerate the other guy beating you, that's what you're going to get. I look at it that way. This is me and you, one on one(11 on 11???). Forget the other guys. I'm going to win my battle, and if we have enough guys winning those individual battles, we'll win this football game. And that's the way you have to approach it."
Gentlemen, he's talking about toleration... BULLSHIT TOLERATION
That meathead Collinsworth was constantly saying the same thing.
Like I said, the funniest thing is that he probably did hold the ball too long on two or three of those. Maybe even four. So that still leaves at least FIVE SACKS IN THE FIRST HALF that weren't his fault, like that number alone isn't something to be embarassed about.
Like I said, the funniest thing is that he probably did hold the ball too long on two or three of those. Maybe even four. So that still leaves at least FIVE SACKS IN THE FIRST HALF that weren't his fault, like that number alone isn't something to be embarassed about.
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Holding onto the ball too long and taking four sacks is equally as embarrassing. I don't see what you guys see in Cutler. I don't watch him nearly as much as you guys do, but whenever I do get the chance I cringe at every play.
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 12:35:22 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on October 04, 2010, 12:32:52 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 04, 2010, 12:27:20 PM
The only thing better than meathead fans is the guy the meatheads adore (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/news/story?id=5647783)
Quote"I don't think anybody was open down field, because they had seven in coverage, but the quarterback has to get the ball out of his hands, too," Ditka said Monday on "Mike & Mike" on ESPN Radio. "He looked like he was not even aware of the pressure around him.
"That's all part of football, the quarterback has to have that little clock in his head that says 'I have to get rid of the football.' Jay Cutler didn't have it yesterday, that's for sure. "
Had he chucked it down the field people would have been bitching about his picks.[/b]
QuoteDitka said he noticed Lovie Smith's demeanor during the game, and Ditka said he would have reacted differently.
"Lovie is a low-key guy," Ditka said. "I couldn't believe ... I would have went [psycho] yesterday. I would have been ballistic. I watched him and he had complete control and composure. I guess that's good, but you have to call somebody out. The line coach or somebody had to call these guys over.
"Football to me is a game of pride. You get what you tolerate. If you tolerate the other guy beating you, that's what you're going to get. I look at it that way. This is me and you, one on one(11 on 11???). Forget the other guys. I'm going to win my battle, and if we have enough guys winning those individual battles, we'll win this football game. And that's the way you have to approach it."
Gentlemen, he's talking about toleration... BULLSHIT TOLERATION
That meathead Collinsworth was constantly saying the same thing.
Like I said, the funniest thing is that he probably did hold the ball too long on two or three of those. Maybe even four. So that still leaves at least FIVE SACKS IN THE FIRST HALF that weren't his fault, like that number alone isn't something to be embarassed about.
Cutler wasn't even the QB most worthy of being called out last night. Neither was Tom Collins or Caleb Hainie or YA Tittle. How about Eli "My brother's good, you know" Manning. How can you only manage 17 points in a game like that?
Cutler is among the top 3 QBs in the NFC this year. And that's despite shitty receivers, a non-blocking TE (should we ask why Desmond Clark was in street clothes), a non-blocking OL, and a mediocre set of backs.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 04, 2010, 12:43:01 PM
Like I said, the funniest thing is that he probably did hold the ball too long on two or three of those. Maybe even four. So that still leaves at least FIVE SACKS IN THE FIRST HALF that weren't his fault, like that number alone isn't something to be embarassed about.
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Holding onto the ball too long and taking four sacks is equally as embarrassing. I don't see what you guys see in Cutler. I don't watch him nearly as much as you guys do, but whenever I do get the chance I cringe at every play.
Yeah, he should have thrown it away on four of them. Then again, no one was open either, so those would have probably been picks that, like Yeti said, they'd criticize Cutler for and say that he should have just eaten it. Cutler's got a QB rating that's .2 points lower than Drew Brees this year. I'm not saying he's that good, but fucking cringeworthy? Get bent.
Sorry, man. If I were a Bears fan I'm not sold on Cutler. But, they're 3-1 and maybe this game was some strange kind of bizarro Bears alternate universe backwards day bizzaro game. Carolina up next and they should definitely beat them.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 04, 2010, 01:04:55 PM
Sorry, man. If I were a Bears fan I'm not sold on Cutler. But, they're 3-1 and maybe this game was some strange kind of bizarro Bears alternate universe backwards day bizzaro game. Carolina up next and they should definitely beat them.
This is what I don't get. What is there to "sell" on Cutler? Does he have to be Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, or Tom Brady to be considered a success? He's a guy that's incredibly talented and, in 16/20 games as a Chicago Bear he's been very good (93.2 Rating). He had four God awful games. He's not a top 5 quarterback. He's very arguably top ten. He's got a 102 rating this year and is second in YPA despite being on pace for an NFL record 72 sacks. The guy's not perfect. He's not a bust, he's well above mediocre. He's better than 90% of the options out there. So he's not elite. Fine. He's good enough to win you a championship in the NFL if you block for him, especially with a defense playing the way Chicago's is right now. You want to say he's not? Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger (say what you will now, but in 2005 the guy sucked in the Superbowl), Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, and Jim Plunkett all disagree. I'm so tired of arguing Jay Cutler vs. Platonic Ideal Quarterback.
Wow, I guess I should have thought about poking the hornets nest before I did it. I didn't know his numbers were that good, but something is missing. Why is he only 10-10? I guess maybe this has something to do with it:
"Eight of the Giants' nine sacks of Jay Cutler in Week 4 were created by a four-man rush."
Holy shit.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 04, 2010, 01:34:26 PM
Wow, I guess I should have thought about poking the hornets nest before I did it. I didn't know his numbers were that good, but something is missing. Why is he only 10-10? I guess maybe this has something to do with it:
"Eight of the Giants' nine sacks of Jay Cutler in Week 4 were created by a four-man rush."
Holy shit.
Why does Felix Hernandez only have 13 wins this year? He *must* not be that good.
Quote from: morpheus on October 04, 2010, 01:38:47 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 04, 2010, 01:34:26 PM
Wow, I guess I should have thought about poking the hornets nest before I did it. I didn't know his numbers were that good, but something is missing. Why is he only 10-10? I guess maybe this has something to do with it:
"Eight of the Giants' nine sacks of Jay Cutler in Week 4 were created by a four-man rush."
Holy shit.
Why does Felix Hernandez only have 13 wins this year? He *must* not be that good.
That was my point.
Quote from: morpheus on October 04, 2010, 01:38:47 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 04, 2010, 01:34:26 PM
Wow, I guess I should have thought about poking the hornets nest before I did it. I didn't know his numbers were that good, but something is missing. Why is he only 10-10? I guess maybe this has something to do with it:
"Eight of the Giants' nine sacks of Jay Cutler in Week 4 were created by a four-man rush."
Holy shit.
Why does Felix Hernandez only have 13 wins this year? He *must* not be that good.
Speaking of Felix - is it even possible to parody Joe Morgan anymore? (http://blog.seattlepi.com/baseball/archives/223369.asp)
QuoteAll individual awards are team awards. My MVP awards were won because my team helped me. ... I think the problem I have, though, with some statistics is we start to individualize the players. I don't want that. It's still a team game. ... When you start to individualize things like that, it takes away the team concept from the game.
Quote from: R-V on October 04, 2010, 02:05:03 PM
Quote from: morpheus on October 04, 2010, 01:38:47 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 04, 2010, 01:34:26 PM
Wow, I guess I should have thought about poking the hornets nest before I did it. I didn't know his numbers were that good, but something is missing. Why is he only 10-10? I guess maybe this has something to do with it:
"Eight of the Giants' nine sacks of Jay Cutler in Week 4 were created by a four-man rush."
Holy shit.
Why does Felix Hernandez only have 13 wins this year? He *must* not be that good.
Speaking of Felix - is it even possible to parody Joe Morgan anymore? (http://blog.seattlepi.com/baseball/archives/223369.asp)
QuoteAll individual awards are team awards. My MVP awards were won because my team helped me. ... I think the problem I have, though, with some statistics is we start to individualize the players. I don't want that. It's still a team game. ... When you start to individualize things like that, it takes away the team concept from the game.
Did Doug Flynn get a share of Joe Morgan's 1975 and 1976 MVP bonus?
Are the Bears really considering signing Juice Williams as a backup?
Quote from: Gilgamesh on October 04, 2010, 02:52:50 PM
Are the Bears really considering signing Juice Williams as a backup?
Only if you consider Juice himself a reliable source.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on October 04, 2010, 02:52:50 PM
Are the Bears really considering signing Juice Williams as a backup?
He attended a rookie mini-camp, so he "knows" the system. And he's got experience running for his life behind a terrible offensive line.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 04, 2010, 01:34:26 PM
Wow, I guess I should have thought about poking the hornets nest before I did it. I didn't know his numbers were that good, but something is missing. Why is he only 10-10? I guess maybe this has something to do with it:
"Eight of the Giants' nine sacks of Jay Cutler in Week 4 were created by a four-man rush."
Holy shit.
Basically the Bears gave up a lot of draft picks and a well-liked game manager in Kyle Orton in order to get him. Cutler violated some kind of old school sports law by demanding a trade (even though the Broncos tried to trade him first) and thus he is reviled by most fans and media as a crybaby while I hear about how awesome it is that Michael Vick is rising above the prison sentence he earned by killing dogs. He is thus a target.
He has absolutely no protection from the line in front of him. This is not a new problem. He lead the league in interceptions last year, but almost half of those came in 3 games that have been way overblown. He's not Good Rex, Bad Rex every other week. He's Pro Bowl Quarterback 16 out of 20 games, Really Bad QB 4 of those. If he can learn to eliminate those really bad games he'll have realized his potential. He's been sacked 58 times in 20 games and has had to pull it down and run it another 53 times. Last year he was under more pressure than any quarterback in the league not named Jason Campbell. He also had the support of a defense last year that was 21st in the NFL in points allowed (and sadly, that was the lowest point total any defense that he's played with has ever surrendered).
For a guy who goes down on 15% of his dropbacks, I think he's pretty damn good. There are a few games where he's contributed more to his team's defeat than he did in it's favor (last year against Green Bay, San Francisco, and Baltimore), but there's a hell of a lot more where he is the Only reason they've won, and a hell of a lot more than that, sadly, where he's not at all the reason they lost.
I know what folks think about Mr. Morrissey, but his line about when Cutler stops thinking that he is Barbra Streisand is pretty damn funny.
"EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- Someday, when the fog clears and he no longer believes he's Barbra Streisand, Jay Cutler can lucidly explain what it's like to be a crash-test dummy."
Quote from: CBStew on October 04, 2010, 04:58:03 PM
I know what folks think about Mr. Morrissey, but his line about when Cutler stops thinking that he is Barbra Streisand is pretty damn funny.
"EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- Someday, when the fog clears and he no longer believes he's Barbra Streisand, Jay Cutler can lucidly explain what it's like to be a crash-test dummy."
Yeah, brain injuries are always funny.
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 01:11:01 PM
He's good enough to win you a championship in the NFL if you block for him, especially with a defense playing the way Chicago's is right now. You want to say he's not? Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger (say what you will now, but in 2005 the guy sucked in the Superbowl), Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, and Jim Plunkett all disagree. I'm so tired of arguing Jay Cutler vs. Platonic Ideal Quarterback.
Cutler aside, I'm not sure I understand this point...are you pointing out guys who had bad seasons, but then won Super Bowls or guys who had bad Super Bowls and won them or just guys who only had a few good seasons?
Because the above list seems like a mix of all those things.
Quote from: PenPho on October 04, 2010, 05:23:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 01:11:01 PM
He's good enough to win you a championship in the NFL if you block for him, especially with a defense playing the way Chicago's is right now. You want to say he's not? Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger (say what you will now, but in 2005 the guy sucked in the Superbowl), Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, and Jim Plunkett all disagree. I'm so tired of arguing Jay Cutler vs. Platonic Ideal Quarterback.
Cutler aside, I'm not sure I understand this point...are you pointing out guys who had bad seasons, but then won Super Bowls or guys who had bad Super Bowls and won them or just guys who only had a few good seasons?
Because the above list seems like a mix of all those things.
I think it's a list of QBs that won Super Bowls. He left off Kurt Warner, who is presumably stocking supermarket shelves again with his lovely wife. If Cutler has to sit next week or the Bears want an insurance policy, what would it take to lure Warner out of retirement? Or does he still hate Mike Martz?
Quote from: Brownie on October 04, 2010, 05:40:30 PM
Quote from: PenPho on October 04, 2010, 05:23:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 01:11:01 PM
He's good enough to win you a championship in the NFL if you block for him, especially with a defense playing the way Chicago's is right now. You want to say he's not? Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger (say what you will now, but in 2005 the guy sucked in the Superbowl), Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, and Jim Plunkett all disagree. I'm so tired of arguing Jay Cutler vs. Platonic Ideal Quarterback.
Cutler aside, I'm not sure I understand this point...are you pointing out guys who had bad seasons, but then won Super Bowls or guys who had bad Super Bowls and won them or just guys who only had a few good seasons?
Because the above list seems like a mix of all those things.
I think it's a list of QBs that won Super Bowls. He left off Kurt Warner, who is presumably stocking supermarket shelves again with his lovely wife. If Cutler has to sit next week or the Bears want an insurance policy, what would it take to lure Warner out of retirement? Or does he still hate Mike Martz?
But they already have Todd Collins. THE Todd Collins.
Quote from: Brownie on October 04, 2010, 05:40:30 PM
Quote from: PenPho on October 04, 2010, 05:23:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 01:11:01 PM
He's good enough to win you a championship in the NFL if you block for him, especially with a defense playing the way Chicago's is right now. You want to say he's not? Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger (say what you will now, but in 2005 the guy sucked in the Superbowl), Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, and Jim Plunkett all disagree. I'm so tired of arguing Jay Cutler vs. Platonic Ideal Quarterback.
Cutler aside, I'm not sure I understand this point...are you pointing out guys who had bad seasons, but then won Super Bowls or guys who had bad Super Bowls and won them or just guys who only had a few good seasons?
Because the above list seems like a mix of all those things.
I think it's a list of QBs that won Super Bowls. He left off Kurt Warner, who is presumably stocking supermarket shelves again with his lovely wife. If Cutler has to sit next week or the Bears want an insurance policy, what would it take to lure Warner out of retirement? Or does he still hate Mike Martz?
It would probably take an assurance that he would not get concussed and/or killed.
So that's a no-go.
Quote from: PenPho on October 04, 2010, 05:23:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 01:11:01 PM
He's good enough to win you a championship in the NFL if you block for him, especially with a defense playing the way Chicago's is right now. You want to say he's not? Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger (say what you will now, but in 2005 the guy sucked in the Superbowl), Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, and Jim Plunkett all disagree. I'm so tired of arguing Jay Cutler vs. Platonic Ideal Quarterback.
Cutler aside, I'm not sure I understand this point...are you pointing out guys who had bad seasons, but then won Super Bowls or guys who had bad Super Bowls and won them or just guys who only had a few good seasons?
Because the above list seems like a mix of all those things.
I'm saying I don't get what people don't "buy" about Jay Cutler. He's a good quarterback. Maybe not a future Hall of Famer like Manning, Brees, or Brady, but good enough when he has time to throw. There are plenty of quarterbacks who aren't HOF-Caliber who have won Superbowls. I just don't get what it is people think Cutler will "never do." Bears fans and the media seem to have some vague, undefinable "it" factor that Cutler can never attain. I guess quarterbacks that have "it" just shake off historically bad offensive lines and a complete lack of a running game and singlehandedly win games. He's certainly as good as or on par with any of those mediocrities that won Superbowls (at least Eli and Roethlisberger were pretty mediocre at the time). Clear enough?
His career QB rating and rate +, TD%, completion %, YPA, Adjusted YPA, and Net Adjusted YPA are all above average. He throws too many picks, yeah, but if he threw so many that it outweighed his good qualities than his rating and Net Adjusted YPA wouldn't be above average. There are probably only five or so quarterbacks I'd rather have than him (Brees, Rivers, Rodgers, P. Manning, Brady, and Roethlisberger(if judged solely by his on field activities)). So he's not perfect. He's also really young with plenty of time to grow and the fact that he's accomplished what he has this year behind that line is nothing short of extraordinary. This whole debate boils down to People Who Think Cutler Suck for Reasons Mostly Beyond His Control vs. Strawman of Bears Fans who Think Cutler is a Straight Up Peyton Manning Clone. He's good. There are some better, but there are a hell of a lot more than that who are worse.
What I don't think helps is he's got a very punchable face and stupid hair. It's true. I like Jay and wish him well. My point, so none of you titheads get confused, is that a lot of fans are unable to separate personality from talent. If a guy looks/acts/is a douche and struggles a little or a lot, it's very easy to pile on and turn your back on him. Even if that guy has a lot of talent.
In this case, I think the whiner tag that he came here with is going to be very difficult for Jay to shake and that's just a fact. I don't judge him by that and I know SKO doesn't. I'm just saying a lot of people do. Also, for further clarification: those people are wieners.
I don't want Jay to be cool or friendly or pose for endless photographs with sick kids. I want him to win and not die because he's on my favorite team. So yeah, I'm pretty bummed that the offensive line decided to let him get pounded like yesterday's beef.
Quote from: Slaky on October 04, 2010, 08:02:01 PM
What I don't think helps is he's got a very punchable face and stupid hair. It's true. I like Jay and wish him well. My point, so none of you titheads get confused, is that a lot of fans are unable to separate personality from talent. If a guy looks/acts/is a douche and struggles a little or a lot, it's very easy to pile on and turn your back on him. Even if that guy has a lot of talent.
In this case, I think the whiner tag that he came here with is going to be very difficult for Jay to shake and that's just a fact. I don't judge him by that and I know SKO doesn't. I'm just saying a lot of people do. Also, for further clarification: those people are wieners.
I don't want Jay to be cool or friendly or pose for endless photographs with sick kids. I want him to win and not die because he's on my favorite team. So yeah, I'm pretty bummed that the offensive line decided to let him get pounded like yesterday's beef.
Indeed. We discussed this in the shoutbox the other day. Do I think he's probably a douche? Yes. He's dating Kristin Cavallari. He is actually friends with Greg Olsen outside of Halas Hall. I'm sure he's a douche. So are 99.9% of all professional athletes, which is only slightly above the 95.5% rate for the rest of the human population. But Jesus, that has nothing to do with what a guy does on the field. See: Vick, Michael. Roethlisberger, Ben. Taylor, Lawrence, and, worst of all: Marino, Dan.
Dan Marino is NFL History's Greatest Monster.
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 08:06:38 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 04, 2010, 08:02:01 PM
What I don't think helps is he's got a very punchable face and stupid hair. It's true. I like Jay and wish him well. My point, so none of you titheads get confused, is that a lot of fans are unable to separate personality from talent. If a guy looks/acts/is a douche and struggles a little or a lot, it's very easy to pile on and turn your back on him. Even if that guy has a lot of talent.
In this case, I think the whiner tag that he came here with is going to be very difficult for Jay to shake and that's just a fact. I don't judge him by that and I know SKO doesn't. I'm just saying a lot of people do. Also, for further clarification: those people are wieners.
I don't want Jay to be cool or friendly or pose for endless photographs with sick kids. I want him to win and not die because he's on my favorite team. So yeah, I'm pretty bummed that the offensive line decided to let him get pounded like yesterday's beef.
Indeed. We discussed this in the shoutbox the other day. Do I think he's probably a douche? Yes. He's dating Kristin Cavallari. He is actually friends with Greg Olsen outside of Halas Hall. I'm sure he's a douche. So are 99.9% of all professional athletes, which is only slightly above the 95.5% rate for the rest of the human population. But Jesus, that has nothing to do with what a guy does on the field. See: Vick, Michael. Roethlisberger, Ben. Taylor, Lawrence, and, worst of all: Marino, Dan.
You're WRONG. Those guys are just regular blue collar joes like me, and someday they'll randomly stumble into whatever bar me and my buddies are drinking in and sit down and shoot the shit with us and realize how awesome I am and maybe get me a tryout, because damn could I play in high school.
Quote from: CT III on October 04, 2010, 08:10:35 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 08:06:38 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 04, 2010, 08:02:01 PM
What I don't think helps is he's got a very punchable face and stupid hair. It's true. I like Jay and wish him well. My point, so none of you titheads get confused, is that a lot of fans are unable to separate personality from talent. If a guy looks/acts/is a douche and struggles a little or a lot, it's very easy to pile on and turn your back on him. Even if that guy has a lot of talent.
In this case, I think the whiner tag that he came here with is going to be very difficult for Jay to shake and that's just a fact. I don't judge him by that and I know SKO doesn't. I'm just saying a lot of people do. Also, for further clarification: those people are wieners.
I don't want Jay to be cool or friendly or pose for endless photographs with sick kids. I want him to win and not die because he's on my favorite team. So yeah, I'm pretty bummed that the offensive line decided to let him get pounded like yesterday's beef.
Indeed. We discussed this in the shoutbox the other day. Do I think he's probably a douche? Yes. He's dating Kristin Cavallari. He is actually friends with Greg Olsen outside of Halas Hall. I'm sure he's a douche. So are 99.9% of all professional athletes, which is only slightly above the 95.5% rate for the rest of the human population. But Jesus, that has nothing to do with what a guy does on the field. See: Vick, Michael. Roethlisberger, Ben. Taylor, Lawrence, and, worst of all: Marino, Dan.
You're WRONG. Those guys are just regular blue collar joes like me, and someday they'll randomly stumble into whatever bar me and my buddies are drinking in and sit down and shoot the shit with us and realize how awesome I am and maybe get me a tryout, because damn could I play in high school.
The best part is that of all of the Bears, the one that's given us nothing but a wealth of evidence proving that he is an unmitigated douche is Urlacher, and he's the one that's beloved by all meatheads.
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 08:14:42 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 04, 2010, 08:10:35 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 08:06:38 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 04, 2010, 08:02:01 PM
What I don't think helps is he's got a very punchable face and stupid hair. It's true. I like Jay and wish him well. My point, so none of you titheads get confused, is that a lot of fans are unable to separate personality from talent. If a guy looks/acts/is a douche and struggles a little or a lot, it's very easy to pile on and turn your back on him. Even if that guy has a lot of talent.
In this case, I think the whiner tag that he came here with is going to be very difficult for Jay to shake and that's just a fact. I don't judge him by that and I know SKO doesn't. I'm just saying a lot of people do. Also, for further clarification: those people are wieners.
I don't want Jay to be cool or friendly or pose for endless photographs with sick kids. I want him to win and not die because he's on my favorite team. So yeah, I'm pretty bummed that the offensive line decided to let him get pounded like yesterday's beef.
Indeed. We discussed this in the shoutbox the other day. Do I think he's probably a douche? Yes. He's dating Kristin Cavallari. He is actually friends with Greg Olsen outside of Halas Hall. I'm sure he's a douche. So are 99.9% of all professional athletes, which is only slightly above the 95.5% rate for the rest of the human population. But Jesus, that has nothing to do with what a guy does on the field. See: Vick, Michael. Roethlisberger, Ben. Taylor, Lawrence, and, worst of all: Marino, Dan.
You're WRONG. Those guys are just regular blue collar joes like me, and someday they'll randomly stumble into whatever bar me and my buddies are drinking in and sit down and shoot the shit with us and realize how awesome I am and maybe get me a tryout, because damn could I play in high school.
The best part is that of all of the Bears, the one that's given us nothing but a wealth of evidence proving that he is an unmitigated douche is Urlacher, and he's the one that's beloved by all meatheads.
They all want to fuck Paris Hilton, too.
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 08:14:42 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 04, 2010, 08:10:35 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 08:06:38 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 04, 2010, 08:02:01 PM
What I don't think helps is he's got a very punchable face and stupid hair. It's true. I like Jay and wish him well. My point, so none of you titheads get confused, is that a lot of fans are unable to separate personality from talent. If a guy looks/acts/is a douche and struggles a little or a lot, it's very easy to pile on and turn your back on him. Even if that guy has a lot of talent.
In this case, I think the whiner tag that he came here with is going to be very difficult for Jay to shake and that's just a fact. I don't judge him by that and I know SKO doesn't. I'm just saying a lot of people do. Also, for further clarification: those people are wieners.
I don't want Jay to be cool or friendly or pose for endless photographs with sick kids. I want him to win and not die because he's on my favorite team. So yeah, I'm pretty bummed that the offensive line decided to let him get pounded like yesterday's beef.
Indeed. We discussed this in the shoutbox the other day. Do I think he's probably a douche? Yes. He's dating Kristin Cavallari. He is actually friends with Greg Olsen outside of Halas Hall. I'm sure he's a douche. So are 99.9% of all professional athletes, which is only slightly above the 95.5% rate for the rest of the human population. But Jesus, that has nothing to do with what a guy does on the field. See: Vick, Michael. Roethlisberger, Ben. Taylor, Lawrence, and, worst of all: Marino, Dan.
You're WRONG. Those guys are just regular blue collar joes like me, and someday they'll randomly stumble into whatever bar me and my buddies are drinking in and sit down and shoot the shit with us and realize how awesome I am and maybe get me a tryout, because damn could I play in high school.
The best part is that of all of the Bears, the one that's given us nothing but a wealth of evidence proving that he is an unmitigated douche is Urlacher, and he's the one that's beloved by all meatheads.
I'm more of a mouthbreather than a meathead and I love me some Urlacher. P'Nut's my guy though. Ever since his rookie year I've been a believer. I've watched lots of interviews and stuff with him too and firmly believe that he is NOT a douche. In fact, I believe he could be the best NFL analyst of all-time someday. I hope he does. I'd DVR all his shit and just listen like a total ghey.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 04, 2010, 08:21:53 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 08:14:42 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 04, 2010, 08:10:35 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 08:06:38 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 04, 2010, 08:02:01 PM
What I don't think helps is he's got a very punchable face and stupid hair. It's true. I like Jay and wish him well. My point, so none of you titheads get confused, is that a lot of fans are unable to separate personality from talent. If a guy looks/acts/is a douche and struggles a little or a lot, it's very easy to pile on and turn your back on him. Even if that guy has a lot of talent.
In this case, I think the whiner tag that he came here with is going to be very difficult for Jay to shake and that's just a fact. I don't judge him by that and I know SKO doesn't. I'm just saying a lot of people do. Also, for further clarification: those people are wieners.
I don't want Jay to be cool or friendly or pose for endless photographs with sick kids. I want him to win and not die because he's on my favorite team. So yeah, I'm pretty bummed that the offensive line decided to let him get pounded like yesterday's beef.
Indeed. We discussed this in the shoutbox the other day. Do I think he's probably a douche? Yes. He's dating Kristin Cavallari. He is actually friends with Greg Olsen outside of Halas Hall. I'm sure he's a douche. So are 99.9% of all professional athletes, which is only slightly above the 95.5% rate for the rest of the human population. But Jesus, that has nothing to do with what a guy does on the field. See: Vick, Michael. Roethlisberger, Ben. Taylor, Lawrence, and, worst of all: Marino, Dan.
You're WRONG. Those guys are just regular blue collar joes like me, and someday they'll randomly stumble into whatever bar me and my buddies are drinking in and sit down and shoot the shit with us and realize how awesome I am and maybe get me a tryout, because damn could I play in high school.
The best part is that of all of the Bears, the one that's given us nothing but a wealth of evidence proving that he is an unmitigated douche is Urlacher, and he's the one that's beloved by all meatheads.
I'm more of a mouthbreather than a meathead and I love me some Urlacher. P'Nut's my guy though. Ever since his rookie year I've been a believer. I've watched lots of interviews and stuff with him too and firmly believe that he is NOT a douche. In fact, I believe he could be the best NFL analyst of all-time someday. I hope he does. I'd DVR all his shit and just listen like a total ghey.
I love Urlacher too, for his on field exploits. Given that this is all I can judge him on. Peanut may not be a douche, but if he was a nice guy, I can't imagine that Al Yellon wouldn't have started a foundation for HIS sick daughter.
Quote from: BC on October 03, 2010, 08:06:02 PM
Well, the Fighting Coughlins got no points out of it. All's well that ends well.
Chip?
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 04, 2010, 08:10:11 PM
Dan Marino is NFL History's Greatest Monster.
Coming from Apex, that's something.
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 08:54:35 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 04, 2010, 08:21:53 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 08:14:42 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 04, 2010, 08:10:35 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 08:06:38 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 04, 2010, 08:02:01 PM
What I don't think helps is he's got a very punchable face and stupid hair. It's true. I like Jay and wish him well. My point, so none of you titheads get confused, is that a lot of fans are unable to separate personality from talent. If a guy looks/acts/is a douche and struggles a little or a lot, it's very easy to pile on and turn your back on him. Even if that guy has a lot of talent.
In this case, I think the whiner tag that he came here with is going to be very difficult for Jay to shake and that's just a fact. I don't judge him by that and I know SKO doesn't. I'm just saying a lot of people do. Also, for further clarification: those people are wieners.
I don't want Jay to be cool or friendly or pose for endless photographs with sick kids. I want him to win and not die because he's on my favorite team. So yeah, I'm pretty bummed that the offensive line decided to let him get pounded like yesterday's beef.
Indeed. We discussed this in the shoutbox the other day. Do I think he's probably a douche? Yes. He's dating Kristin Cavallari. He is actually friends with Greg Olsen outside of Halas Hall. I'm sure he's a douche. So are 99.9% of all professional athletes, which is only slightly above the 95.5% rate for the rest of the human population. But Jesus, that has nothing to do with what a guy does on the field. See: Vick, Michael. Roethlisberger, Ben. Taylor, Lawrence, and, worst of all: Marino, Dan.
You're WRONG. Those guys are just regular blue collar joes like me, and someday they'll randomly stumble into whatever bar me and my buddies are drinking in and sit down and shoot the shit with us and realize how awesome I am and maybe get me a tryout, because damn could I play in high school.
The best part is that of all of the Bears, the one that's given us nothing but a wealth of evidence proving that he is an unmitigated douche is Urlacher, and he's the one that's beloved by all meatheads.
I'm more of a mouthbreather than a meathead and I love me some Urlacher. P'Nut's my guy though. Ever since his rookie year I've been a believer. I've watched lots of interviews and stuff with him too and firmly believe that he is NOT a douche. In fact, I believe he could be the best NFL analyst of all-time someday. I hope he does. I'd DVR all his shit and just listen like a total ghey.
I love Urlacher too, for his on field exploits. Given that this is all I can judge him on. Peanut may not be a douche, but if he was a nice guy, I can't imagine that Al Yellon wouldn't have started a foundation for HIS sick daughter.
That depends. Could he have skimmed a profit off of it?
Quote from: PANK! on October 04, 2010, 09:15:13 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 04, 2010, 08:10:11 PM
Dan Marino is NFL History's Greatest Monster.
Coming from Apex, that's something.
Dan Marino deserves nothing but the scorn of the masses. You know he rapes orphans, right? Not even because he derives pleasure from it. He just likes to hear them scream.*
*I have no evidence to back this up, but you all know it's true.
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 09:18:39 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 04, 2010, 09:15:13 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 04, 2010, 08:10:11 PM
Dan Marino is NFL History's Greatest Monster.
Coming from Apex, that's something.
Dan Marino deserves nothing but the scorn of the masses. You know he rapes orphans, right? Not even because he derives pleasure from it. He just likes to hear them scream.*
*I have no evidence to back this up, but you all know it's true.
Back in undergrad, Dan Marino's HS Alum, Pittsburgh Central Catholic held its team out of the Western PA playoffs because nobody would rat out the perpetrators of a pandemic of teabagging on the the team. While most people made priest jokes, I to this day believe Dan Marino returns to Central Catholic every year to teabag the fine young men of its football team.
After all, that is a hall of fame nutsack.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 04, 2010, 09:25:55 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 09:18:39 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 04, 2010, 09:15:13 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 04, 2010, 08:10:11 PM
Dan Marino is NFL History's Greatest Monster.
Coming from Apex, that's something.
Dan Marino deserves nothing but the scorn of the masses. You know he rapes orphans, right? Not even because he derives pleasure from it. He just likes to hear them scream.*
*I have no evidence to back this up, but you all know it's true.
Back in undergrad, Dan Marino's HS Alum, Pittsburgh Central Catholic held its team out of the Western PA playoffs because nobody would rat out the perpetrators of a pandemic of teabagging on the the team. While most people made priest jokes, I to this day believe Dan Marino returns to Central Catholic every year to teabag the fine young men of its football team.
After all, that is a hall of fame nutsack.
Thanks.
Quote from: CT III on October 04, 2010, 08:10:35 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 08:06:38 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 04, 2010, 08:02:01 PM
What I don't think helps is he's got a very punchable face and stupid hair. It's true. I like Jay and wish him well. My point, so none of you titheads get confused, is that a lot of fans are unable to separate personality from talent. If a guy looks/acts/is a douche and struggles a little or a lot, it's very easy to pile on and turn your back on him. Even if that guy has a lot of talent.
In this case, I think the whiner tag that he came here with is going to be very difficult for Jay to shake and that's just a fact. I don't judge him by that and I know SKO doesn't. I'm just saying a lot of people do. Also, for further clarification: those people are wieners.
I don't want Jay to be cool or friendly or pose for endless photographs with sick kids. I want him to win and not die because he's on my favorite team. So yeah, I'm pretty bummed that the offensive line decided to let him get pounded like yesterday's beef.
Indeed. We discussed this in the shoutbox the other day. Do I think he's probably a douche? Yes. He's dating Kristin Cavallari. He is actually friends with Greg Olsen outside of Halas Hall. I'm sure he's a douche. So are 99.9% of all professional athletes, which is only slightly above the 95.5% rate for the rest of the human population. But Jesus, that has nothing to do with what a guy does on the field. See: Vick, Michael. Roethlisberger, Ben. Taylor, Lawrence, and, worst of all: Marino, Dan.
You're WRONG. Those guys are just regular blue collar joes like me, and someday they'll randomly stumble into whatever bar me and my buddies are drinking in and sit down and shoot the shit with us and realize how awesome I am and maybe get me a tryout, because damn could I play in high school.
Quote from: Eli on October 26, 2009, 10:51:00 AM
Dear Chase,
I feel like I can call you Chase because you and me are so much alike. I would love to meet you someday. It would be great to have a catch. I know I can't throw as fast as you, but I think you would be impressed by my speed. I love you hair. You run fast. Did you have a good relationship with your father? Me neither. These are all things we can talk about. And more. I know you have not been getting my letters because I know you would write back if you did. And I hope you write back this time and we get to be good friends. I'm sure our relationship would be a real home run.
Mac
I don't want to spam up the messageboard by starting a thread for this, so I'll stick it here.
Tailgaiters... or friends of such: Do you want to be in a Craftsman commericial? If you or someobody you know has rigged up some Chicago sports team stuff and likes to tailgate with it, let me know and I'll set you up with a dude who is looking for "talent" for some advertisements for Craftsman. If you know somebody that has painted a van Bears colors or constructed a nacho helmet or whatever, they could be famous for their ingenuity. Yay?
Here's the lowdown. I promise it's legit.
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It's a Craftsman sponsored event/ show that will detail some of the innovations from the DIY tailgating community. Please let me know soon if you know of anyone that would be interested in talking about their personalized item while being filmed.
Premise:
Bring in various individuals from the (DIY) football/baseball/basketball/hockey community to talk about their history with their own sports team and their unique innovations. This will be focused on the Do it Yourself aspect through personalization of things such as:
· Barbecue pits/ grills
· Deep fryers,
· Winnebago's,
· Transportation to the game (Vans, Trucks, Trailers, Buses, etc.)
· Clothing and gear
· Food and beverage dispensers.
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Thanks for any info you can throw out.
Quote from: Slaky on October 04, 2010, 08:02:01 PM
What I don't think helps is he's got a very punchable face and stupid hair. It's true. I like Jay and wish him well. My point, so none of you titheads get confused, is that a lot of fans are unable to separate personality from talent. If a guy looks/acts/is a douche and struggles a little or a lot, it's very easy to pile on and turn your back on him. Even if that guy has a lot of talent.
In this case, I think the whiner tag that he came here with is going to be very difficult for Jay to shake and that's just a fact. I don't judge him by that and I know SKO doesn't. I'm just saying a lot of people do. Also, for further clarification: those people are wieners.
I don't want Jay to be cool or friendly or pose for endless photographs with sick kids. I want him to win and not die because he's on my favorite team. So yeah, I'm pretty bummed that the offensive line decided to let him get pounded like yesterday's beef.
I love you, not in a gay way but as a very appreciative Desipio reader, for the fact that you can take what us uncreative people are thinking, and you put it in writing for us.
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 05:55:30 PM
Quote from: PenPho on October 04, 2010, 05:23:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 01:11:01 PM
He's good enough to win you a championship in the NFL if you block for him, especially with a defense playing the way Chicago's is right now. You want to say he's not? Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger (say what you will now, but in 2005 the guy sucked in the Superbowl), Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, and Jim Plunkett all disagree. I'm so tired of arguing Jay Cutler vs. Platonic Ideal Quarterback.
Cutler aside, I'm not sure I understand this point...are you pointing out guys who had bad seasons, but then won Super Bowls or guys who had bad Super Bowls and won them or just guys who only had a few good seasons?
Because the above list seems like a mix of all those things.
I'm saying I don't get what people don't "buy" about Jay Cutler. He's a good quarterback. Maybe not a future Hall of Famer like Manning, Brees, or Brady, but good enough when he has time to throw. There are plenty of quarterbacks who aren't HOF-Caliber who have won Superbowls. I just don't get what it is people think Cutler will "never do." Bears fans and the media seem to have some vague, undefinable "it" factor that Cutler can never attain. I guess quarterbacks that have "it" just shake off historically bad offensive lines and a complete lack of a running game and singlehandedly win games. He's certainly as good as or on par with any of those mediocrities that won Superbowls (at least Eli and Roethlisberger were pretty mediocre at the time). Clear enough?
His career QB rating and rate +, TD%, completion %, YPA, Adjusted YPA, and Net Adjusted YPA are all above average. He throws too many picks, yeah, but if he threw so many that it outweighed his good qualities than his rating and Net Adjusted YPA wouldn't be above average. There are probably only five or so quarterbacks I'd rather have than him (Brees, Rivers, Rodgers, P. Manning, Brady, and Roethlisberger(if judged solely by his on field activities)). So he's not perfect. He's also really young with plenty of time to grow and the fact that he's accomplished what he has this year behind that line is nothing short of extraordinary. This whole debate boils down to People Who Think Cutler Suck for Reasons Mostly Beyond His Control vs. Strawman of Bears Fans who Think Cutler is a Straight Up Peyton Manning Clone. He's good. There are some better, but there are a hell of a lot more than that who are worse.
For the meatheads he doesn't show enough FIRE OR PASHUN during the game. He needs to be constantly screaming and yelling at everybody in order to for the Bears to win.
Quote from: Waco Kid on October 05, 2010, 07:21:04 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 05:55:30 PM
Quote from: PenPho on October 04, 2010, 05:23:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 01:11:01 PM
He's good enough to win you a championship in the NFL if you block for him, especially with a defense playing the way Chicago's is right now. You want to say he's not? Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger (say what you will now, but in 2005 the guy sucked in the Superbowl), Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, and Jim Plunkett all disagree. I'm so tired of arguing Jay Cutler vs. Platonic Ideal Quarterback.
Cutler aside, I'm not sure I understand this point...are you pointing out guys who had bad seasons, but then won Super Bowls or guys who had bad Super Bowls and won them or just guys who only had a few good seasons?
Because the above list seems like a mix of all those things.
I'm saying I don't get what people don't "buy" about Jay Cutler. He's a good quarterback. Maybe not a future Hall of Famer like Manning, Brees, or Brady, but good enough when he has time to throw. There are plenty of quarterbacks who aren't HOF-Caliber who have won Superbowls. I just don't get what it is people think Cutler will "never do." Bears fans and the media seem to have some vague, undefinable "it" factor that Cutler can never attain. I guess quarterbacks that have "it" just shake off historically bad offensive lines and a complete lack of a running game and singlehandedly win games. He's certainly as good as or on par with any of those mediocrities that won Superbowls (at least Eli and Roethlisberger were pretty mediocre at the time). Clear enough?
His career QB rating and rate +, TD%, completion %, YPA, Adjusted YPA, and Net Adjusted YPA are all above average. He throws too many picks, yeah, but if he threw so many that it outweighed his good qualities than his rating and Net Adjusted YPA wouldn't be above average. There are probably only five or so quarterbacks I'd rather have than him (Brees, Rivers, Rodgers, P. Manning, Brady, and Roethlisberger(if judged solely by his on field activities)). So he's not perfect. He's also really young with plenty of time to grow and the fact that he's accomplished what he has this year behind that line is nothing short of extraordinary. This whole debate boils down to People Who Think Cutler Suck for Reasons Mostly Beyond His Control vs. Strawman of Bears Fans who Think Cutler is a Straight Up Peyton Manning Clone. He's good. There are some better, but there are a hell of a lot more than that who are worse.
For the meatheads he doesn't show enough FIRE OR PASHUN during the game. He needs to be constantly screaming and yelling at everybody in order to for the Bears to win.
He's the Carlos Zambrano of football, except the opposite when it comes to showing emotion. So in that way, he's like the Milton Bradley of football. But he's white, so he's a little more likeable.
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on October 05, 2010, 07:34:27 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on October 05, 2010, 07:21:04 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 05:55:30 PM
Quote from: PenPho on October 04, 2010, 05:23:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 01:11:01 PM
He's good enough to win you a championship in the NFL if you block for him, especially with a defense playing the way Chicago's is right now. You want to say he's not? Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger (say what you will now, but in 2005 the guy sucked in the Superbowl), Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, and Jim Plunkett all disagree. I'm so tired of arguing Jay Cutler vs. Platonic Ideal Quarterback.
Cutler aside, I'm not sure I understand this point...are you pointing out guys who had bad seasons, but then won Super Bowls or guys who had bad Super Bowls and won them or just guys who only had a few good seasons?
Because the above list seems like a mix of all those things.
I'm saying I don't get what people don't "buy" about Jay Cutler. He's a good quarterback. Maybe not a future Hall of Famer like Manning, Brees, or Brady, but good enough when he has time to throw. There are plenty of quarterbacks who aren't HOF-Caliber who have won Superbowls. I just don't get what it is people think Cutler will "never do." Bears fans and the media seem to have some vague, undefinable "it" factor that Cutler can never attain. I guess quarterbacks that have "it" just shake off historically bad offensive lines and a complete lack of a running game and singlehandedly win games. He's certainly as good as or on par with any of those mediocrities that won Superbowls (at least Eli and Roethlisberger were pretty mediocre at the time). Clear enough?
His career QB rating and rate +, TD%, completion %, YPA, Adjusted YPA, and Net Adjusted YPA are all above average. He throws too many picks, yeah, but if he threw so many that it outweighed his good qualities than his rating and Net Adjusted YPA wouldn't be above average. There are probably only five or so quarterbacks I'd rather have than him (Brees, Rivers, Rodgers, P. Manning, Brady, and Roethlisberger(if judged solely by his on field activities)). So he's not perfect. He's also really young with plenty of time to grow and the fact that he's accomplished what he has this year behind that line is nothing short of extraordinary. This whole debate boils down to People Who Think Cutler Suck for Reasons Mostly Beyond His Control vs. Strawman of Bears Fans who Think Cutler is a Straight Up Peyton Manning Clone. He's good. There are some better, but there are a hell of a lot more than that who are worse.
For the meatheads he doesn't show enough FIRE OR PASHUN during the game. He needs to be constantly screaming and yelling at everybody in order to for the Bears to win.
He's the Carlos Zambrano of football, except the opposite when it comes to showing emotion. So in that way, he's like the Milton Bradley of football. But he's white, so he's a little more likeable.
Dubbs..is...right?
Quote from: SKO on October 05, 2010, 07:35:50 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on October 05, 2010, 07:34:27 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on October 05, 2010, 07:21:04 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 05:55:30 PM
Quote from: PenPho on October 04, 2010, 05:23:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 01:11:01 PM
He's good enough to win you a championship in the NFL if you block for him, especially with a defense playing the way Chicago's is right now. You want to say he's not? Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger (say what you will now, but in 2005 the guy sucked in the Superbowl), Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, and Jim Plunkett all disagree. I'm so tired of arguing Jay Cutler vs. Platonic Ideal Quarterback.
Cutler aside, I'm not sure I understand this point...are you pointing out guys who had bad seasons, but then won Super Bowls or guys who had bad Super Bowls and won them or just guys who only had a few good seasons?
Because the above list seems like a mix of all those things.
I'm saying I don't get what people don't "buy" about Jay Cutler. He's a good quarterback. Maybe not a future Hall of Famer like Manning, Brees, or Brady, but good enough when he has time to throw. There are plenty of quarterbacks who aren't HOF-Caliber who have won Superbowls. I just don't get what it is people think Cutler will "never do." Bears fans and the media seem to have some vague, undefinable "it" factor that Cutler can never attain. I guess quarterbacks that have "it" just shake off historically bad offensive lines and a complete lack of a running game and singlehandedly win games. He's certainly as good as or on par with any of those mediocrities that won Superbowls (at least Eli and Roethlisberger were pretty mediocre at the time). Clear enough?
His career QB rating and rate +, TD%, completion %, YPA, Adjusted YPA, and Net Adjusted YPA are all above average. He throws too many picks, yeah, but if he threw so many that it outweighed his good qualities than his rating and Net Adjusted YPA wouldn't be above average. There are probably only five or so quarterbacks I'd rather have than him (Brees, Rivers, Rodgers, P. Manning, Brady, and Roethlisberger(if judged solely by his on field activities)). So he's not perfect. He's also really young with plenty of time to grow and the fact that he's accomplished what he has this year behind that line is nothing short of extraordinary. This whole debate boils down to People Who Think Cutler Suck for Reasons Mostly Beyond His Control vs. Strawman of Bears Fans who Think Cutler is a Straight Up Peyton Manning Clone. He's good. There are some better, but there are a hell of a lot more than that who are worse.
For the meatheads he doesn't show enough FIRE OR PASHUN during the game. He needs to be constantly screaming and yelling at everybody in order to for the Bears to win.
He's the Carlos Zambrano of football, except the opposite when it comes to showing emotion. So in that way, he's like the Milton Bradley of football. But he's white, so he's a little more likeable.
Dubbs..is...right?
That sound you heard is the opening of the fourth seal.
Quote from: SKO on October 05, 2010, 07:35:50 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on October 05, 2010, 07:34:27 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on October 05, 2010, 07:21:04 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 05:55:30 PM
Quote from: PenPho on October 04, 2010, 05:23:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2010, 01:11:01 PM
He's good enough to win you a championship in the NFL if you block for him, especially with a defense playing the way Chicago's is right now. You want to say he's not? Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger (say what you will now, but in 2005 the guy sucked in the Superbowl), Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, and Jim Plunkett all disagree. I'm so tired of arguing Jay Cutler vs. Platonic Ideal Quarterback.
Cutler aside, I'm not sure I understand this point...are you pointing out guys who had bad seasons, but then won Super Bowls or guys who had bad Super Bowls and won them or just guys who only had a few good seasons?
Because the above list seems like a mix of all those things.
I'm saying I don't get what people don't "buy" about Jay Cutler. He's a good quarterback. Maybe not a future Hall of Famer like Manning, Brees, or Brady, but good enough when he has time to throw. There are plenty of quarterbacks who aren't HOF-Caliber who have won Superbowls. I just don't get what it is people think Cutler will "never do." Bears fans and the media seem to have some vague, undefinable "it" factor that Cutler can never attain. I guess quarterbacks that have "it" just shake off historically bad offensive lines and a complete lack of a running game and singlehandedly win games. He's certainly as good as or on par with any of those mediocrities that won Superbowls (at least Eli and Roethlisberger were pretty mediocre at the time). Clear enough?
His career QB rating and rate +, TD%, completion %, YPA, Adjusted YPA, and Net Adjusted YPA are all above average. He throws too many picks, yeah, but if he threw so many that it outweighed his good qualities than his rating and Net Adjusted YPA wouldn't be above average. There are probably only five or so quarterbacks I'd rather have than him (Brees, Rivers, Rodgers, P. Manning, Brady, and Roethlisberger(if judged solely by his on field activities)). So he's not perfect. He's also really young with plenty of time to grow and the fact that he's accomplished what he has this year behind that line is nothing short of extraordinary. This whole debate boils down to People Who Think Cutler Suck for Reasons Mostly Beyond His Control vs. Strawman of Bears Fans who Think Cutler is a Straight Up Peyton Manning Clone. He's good. There are some better, but there are a hell of a lot more than that who are worse.
For the meatheads he doesn't show enough FIRE OR PASHUN during the game. He needs to be constantly screaming and yelling at everybody in order to for the Bears to win.
He's the Carlos Zambrano of football, except the opposite when it comes to showing emotion. So in that way, he's like the Milton Bradley of football. But he's white, so he's a little more likeable.
Dubbs..is...right?
I'm.... not... sure.. he.... is?
Milton was a complete assface to everyone. Jay, for the most part, has been a pretty nice guy to the media.
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He's good enough to win you a championship in the NFL if you block for him, especially with a defense playing the way Chicago's is right now. You want to say he's not? Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger (say what you will now, but in 2005 the guy sucked in the Superbowl), Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, and Jim Plunkett all disagree. I'm so tired of arguing Jay Cutler vs. Platonic Ideal Quarterback.
Cutler aside, I'm not sure I understand this point...are you pointing out guys who had bad seasons, but then won Super Bowls or guys who had bad Super Bowls and won them or just guys who only had a few good seasons?
Because the above list seems like a mix of all those things.
I'm saying I don't get what people don't "buy" about Jay Cutler. He's a good quarterback. Maybe not a future Hall of Famer like Manning, Brees, or Brady, but good enough when he has time to throw. There are plenty of quarterbacks who aren't HOF-Caliber who have won Superbowls. I just don't get what it is people think Cutler will "never do." Bears fans and the media seem to have some vague, undefinable "it" factor that Cutler can never attain. I guess quarterbacks that have "it" just shake off historically bad offensive lines and a complete lack of a running game and singlehandedly win games. He's certainly as good as or on par with any of those mediocrities that won Superbowls (at least Eli and Roethlisberger were pretty mediocre at the time). Clear enough?
His career QB rating and rate +, TD%, completion %, YPA, Adjusted YPA, and Net Adjusted YPA are all above average. He throws too many picks, yeah, but if he threw so many that it outweighed his good qualities than his rating and Net Adjusted YPA wouldn't be above average. There are probably only five or so quarterbacks I'd rather have than him (Brees, Rivers, Rodgers, P. Manning, Brady, and Roethlisberger(if judged solely by his on field activities)). So he's not perfect. He's also really young with plenty of time to grow and the fact that he's accomplished what he has this year behind that line is nothing short of extraordinary. This whole debate boils down to People Who Think Cutler Suck for Reasons Mostly Beyond His Control vs. Strawman of Bears Fans who Think Cutler is a Straight Up Peyton Manning Clone. He's good. There are some better, but there are a hell of a lot more than that who are worse.
For the meatheads he doesn't show enough FIRE OR PASHUN during the game. He needs to be constantly screaming and yelling at everybody in order to for the Bears to win.
He's the Carlos Zambrano of football, except the opposite when it comes to showing emotion. So in that way, he's like the Milton Bradley of football. But he's white, so he's a little more likeable.
Dubbs..is...right?
I'm.... not... sure.. he.... is?
Milton was a complete assface to everyone. Jay, for the most part, has been a pretty nice guy to the media.
I though the Zambrano comparison was more apt. They're both the balls and yet are hated for their personality and their on-field performance is judged by some vague, unquantifiable standard. CARLOS ISN'T AN ACE because he hasn't ever won 20 games or won a World Series while Jay just ISN'T A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK because he loses a lot of games, and as we all know, good quarterbacks never play for losing teams. It just doesn't happen.
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I though the Zambrano comparison was more apt. They're both the balls and yet are hated for their personality and their on-field performance is judged by some vague, unquantifiable standard. CARLOS ISN'T AN ACE because he hasn't ever won 20 games or won a World Series while Jay just ISN'T A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK because he loses a lot of games, and as we all know, good quarterbacks never play for losing teams. It just doesn't happen.
I would say that Carlos isn't an ace primarily because his control isn't good enough. QUANTIFY THAT. I also think that the arrow on Jake's career is pointing upwards, whereas the soon-to-be-30 Carlos goes down from here.
Comparison: Shitty.
Quote from: SKO on October 05, 2010, 09:57:51 AM
I though the Zambrano comparison was more apt. They're both the balls and yet are hated for their personality and their on-field performance is judged by some vague, unquantifiable standard. CARLOS ISN'T AN ACE because he hasn't ever won 20 games or won a World Series while Jay just ISN'T A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK because he loses a lot of games, and as we all know, good quarterbacks never play for losing teams. It just doesn't happen.
Ok, I can't disagree with that. Also, I meant to say this after your 10th 3,000 word post, but damn you can be long-winded sometimes, but fuck, I don't know if there's anyone else I'd rather go with me in a Bears fan battle. If it's tug-of-war, we're flipping the coin for the back.
Also, I wanted to address this after the Packers game, but I never got around to it. The consensus after the game was that the Packers were dumb for kicking to Hester. I disagree. Nothing about the Bears' punt return (aside from that return) has shown me that they are a force to be reckoned with like they were in the Super Bowl year (and the year after). The threat is always there with Devin but the same can be made for any returner, because there are some fast morgans out there.
Also, on that same accord, if someone has a TD return, I don't understand the fear of kicking to them in subsequent KOs/Punts. Statistically speaking, if someone gets a TD on a punt return (or KO), the likelihood of them returning the next for a TD drops dramatically. (Lovie should pay attention to that, e.g. Falcons 2008) The situation in Seattle, where Washington took two back, I would have to say is more of an anomaly as opposed to anything else.
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I would say that Carlos isn't an ace primarily because his control isn't good enough. QUANTIFY THAT. I also think that the arrow on Jake's career is pointing upwards, whereas the soon-to-be-30 Carlos goes down from here.
Comparison: Shitty.
I would blow Z. I would blow Cutler. Comparison: Apt.
I don't like the strange perception that Cutler doesn't have the FIRE AN PASHIN to lead an NFL team. When I see this guy take the kind of punishment he's taken the past two years and continue to peel himself up off the turf and keep slinging the fucking rock all over the field it tells me all I need to know about how motivated and proud and tough he is. A common motherfucker would bitch out and refuse to continue to work. A weak-minded individual would blow up and scream bloody murder or demand a trade.
Cry baby? Give me a fuckin' break.
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I don't like the strange perception that Cutler doesn't have the FIRE AN PASHIN to lead an NFL team. When I see this guy take the kind of punishment he's taken the past two years and continue to peel himself up off the turf and keep slinging the fucking rock all over the field it tells me all I need to know about how motivated and proud and tough he is. A common motherfucker would bitch out and refuse to continue to work. A weak-minded individual would blow up and scream bloody murder or demand a trade.
Cry baby? Give me a fuckin' break.
Right there with you. He's far from a crybaby. I may think I'm quite the stud because of my AWESOME HS football credentials, but there's no fucking way I can call any of them crybabies or pussies, because one hit from Jay Feely, and I'd be down for the count.
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I don't like the strange perception that Cutler doesn't have the FIRE AN PASHIN to lead an NFL team. When I see this guy take the kind of punishment he's taken the past two years and continue to peel himself up off the turf and keep slinging the fucking rock all over the field it tells me all I need to know about how motivated and proud and tough he is. A common motherfucker would bitch out and refuse to continue to work. A weak-minded individual would blow up and scream bloody murder or demand a trade.
Cry baby? Give me a fuckin' break.
Right there with you. He's far from a crybaby. I may think I'm quite the stud because of my AWESOME HS football credentials, but there's no fucking way I can call any of them crybabies or pussies, because one hit from Jay Feely, and I'd be down for the count.
It's al relative. But how do you think Phillip Rivers or Ben Rapelisburger would react to the kind of on and off-field hits this dude has taken since he got here? Not half as well as Jay, I promise you. I defy anyone to argue otherwise. Fuck you.
Quote from: Slaky on October 04, 2010, 08:02:01 PMWhat I don't think helps is he's got a very punchable face and stupid hair. It's true. I like Jay and wish him well. My point, so none of you titheads get confused, is that a lot of fans are unable to separate personality from talent. If a guy looks/acts/is a douche and struggles a little or a lot, it's very easy to pile on and turn your back on him. Even if that guy has a lot of talent.
In this case, I think the whiner tag that he came here with is going to be very difficult for Jay to shake and that's just a fact. I don't judge him by that and I know SKO doesn't. I'm just saying a lot of people do. Also, for further clarification: those people are wieners.
I don't want Jay to be cool or friendly or pose for endless photographs with sick kids. I want him to win and not die because he's on my favorite team. So yeah, I'm pretty bummed that the offensive line decided to let him get pounded like yesterday's beef.
All that. If Cutler and Joakim were Packers or Vikings or Knicks I'd want them to die for being douches. But they're OUR douches. So I like them.
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I don't like the strange perception that Cutler doesn't have the FIRE AN PASHIN to lead an NFL team. When I see this guy take the kind of punishment he's taken the past two years and continue to peel himself up off the turf and keep slinging the fucking rock all over the field it tells me all I need to know about how motivated and proud and tough he is. A common motherfucker would bitch out and refuse to continue to work. A weak-minded individual would blow up and scream bloody murder or demand a trade.
Cry baby? Give me a fuckin' break.
Also them. Obviously I'm biased here but I think Cutler's assbaggery, other than the occasional hangdog look after getting his nuts stomped, is kept off the field. He may have threesomes with Hills stars and G-Reg and be the Crown Prince of Chaddery once he leaves Halas Hall, but at least he's not a preening smarmdickle presenting his ass to fans like Rodgers was last week.
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Quote from: Slaky on October 04, 2010, 08:02:01 PMWhat I don't think helps is he's got a very punchable face and stupid hair. It's true. I like Jay and wish him well. My point, so none of you titheads get confused, is that a lot of fans are unable to separate personality from talent. If a guy looks/acts/is a douche and struggles a little or a lot, it's very easy to pile on and turn your back on him. Even if that guy has a lot of talent.
In this case, I think the whiner tag that he came here with is going to be very difficult for Jay to shake and that's just a fact. I don't judge him by that and I know SKO doesn't. I'm just saying a lot of people do. Also, for further clarification: those people are wieners.
I don't want Jay to be cool or friendly or pose for endless photographs with sick kids. I want him to win and not die because he's on my favorite team. So yeah, I'm pretty bummed that the offensive line decided to let him get pounded like yesterday's beef.
All that. If Cutler and Joakim were Packers or Vikings or Knicks I'd want them to die for being douches. But they're OUR douches. So I like them.
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I don't like the strange perception that Cutler doesn't have the FIRE AN PASHIN to lead an NFL team. When I see this guy take the kind of punishment he's taken the past two years and continue to peel himself up off the turf and keep slinging the fucking rock all over the field it tells me all I need to know about how motivated and proud and tough he is. A common motherfucker would bitch out and refuse to continue to work. A weak-minded individual would blow up and scream bloody murder or demand a trade.
Cry baby? Give me a fuckin' break.
Also them. Obviously I'm biased here but I think Cutler's assbaggery, other than the occasional hangdog look after getting his nuts stomped, is kept off the field. He may have threesomes with Hills stars and G-Reg and be the Crown Prince of Chaddery once he leaves Halas Hall, but at least he's not a preening smarmdickle presenting his ass to fans like Rodgers was last week.
How do you compare Cutler to Noah? When did Cutler ever manage to take two full seasons off from caring or competing and basically acting like a professional. One decent year from Noah and everybody in Chicago is treating him like he's fucking Spiderman. That's so Chcago. (replaces Tyler Colvin's dong in mouth)
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I don't like the strange perception that Cutler doesn't have the FIRE AN PASHIN to lead an NFL team. When I see this guy take the kind of punishment he's taken the past two years and continue to peel himself up off the turf and keep slinging the fucking rock all over the field it tells me all I need to know about how motivated and proud and tough he is. A common motherfucker would bitch out and refuse to continue to work. A weak-minded individual would blow up and scream bloody murder or demand a trade.
Cry baby? Give me a fuckin' break.
Right there with you. He's far from a crybaby. I may think I'm quite the stud because of my AWESOME HS football credentials, but there's no fucking way I can call any of them crybabies or pussies, because one hit from Jay Feely, and I'd be down for the count.
It's al relative. But how do you think Phillip Rivers or Ben Rapelisburger would react to the kind of on and off-field hits this dude has taken since he got here? Not half as well as Jay, I promise you. I defy anyone to argue otherwise. Fuck you.
Fuck me for responding to this, but I think we've already seen how Ben responds to countless on-field hits, playing behind that shit offensive line for years.
As for the off-field hits, he certainly took plenty after the motorcycle crash and the first rape accusation (and just the myriad, confirmed suspicions that he's always been a gigantic douchebag).
I guess we'll see more after he returns this time, but he's certainly taken plenty of hits, both off and on the field.
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I don't like the strange perception that Cutler doesn't have the FIRE AN PASHIN to lead an NFL team. When I see this guy take the kind of punishment he's taken the past two years and continue to peel himself up off the turf and keep slinging the fucking rock all over the field it tells me all I need to know about how motivated and proud and tough he is. A common motherfucker would bitch out and refuse to continue to work. A weak-minded individual would blow up and scream bloody murder or demand a trade.
Cry baby? Give me a fuckin' break.
Right there with you. He's far from a crybaby. I may think I'm quite the stud because of my AWESOME HS football credentials, but there's no fucking way I can call any of them crybabies or pussies, because one hit from Jay Feely, and I'd be down for the count.
It's al relative. But how do you think Phillip Rivers or Ben Rapelisburger would react to the kind of on and off-field hits this dude has taken since he got here? Not half as well as Jay, I promise you. I defy anyone to argue otherwise. Fuck you.
Fuck me for responding to this, but I think we've already seen how Ben responds to countless on-field hits, playing behind that shit offensive line for years.
As for the off-field hits, he certainly took plenty after the motorcycle crash and the first rape accusation (and just the myriad, confirmed suspicions that he's always been a gigantic douchebag).
I guess we'll see more after he returns this time, but he's certainly taken plenty of hits, both off and on the field.
I'd say the raping and the fact that his teammates reportedly hate his guts are indicators that Ben is who we thought he is. And he can come back and play decent and let the best defense in pro-football carry his team deep into the playoffs. Then you'll undoubtedly come in here and act like you were right. I'm going to set my watch to that and wear it on my belt.
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I don't like the strange perception that Cutler doesn't have the FIRE AN PASHIN to lead an NFL team. When I see this guy take the kind of punishment he's taken the past two years and continue to peel himself up off the turf and keep slinging the fucking rock all over the field it tells me all I need to know about how motivated and proud and tough he is. A common motherfucker would bitch out and refuse to continue to work. A weak-minded individual would blow up and scream bloody murder or demand a trade.
Cry baby? Give me a fuckin' break.
Right there with you. He's far from a crybaby. I may think I'm quite the stud because of my AWESOME HS football credentials, but there's no fucking way I can call any of them crybabies or pussies, because one hit from Jay Feely, and I'd be down for the count.
It's al relative. But how do you think Phillip Rivers or Ben Rapelisburger would react to the kind of on and off-field hits this dude has taken since he got here? Not half as well as Jay, I promise you. I defy anyone to argue otherwise. Fuck you.
Fuck me for responding to this, but I think we've already seen how Ben responds to countless on-field hits, playing behind that shit offensive line for years.
As for the off-field hits, he certainly took plenty after the motorcycle crash and the first rape accusation (and just the myriad, confirmed suspicions that he's always been a gigantic douchebag).
I guess we'll see more after he returns this time, but he's certainly taken plenty of hits, both off and on the field.
I'd say the raping and the fact that his teammates reportedly hate his guts are indicators that Ben is who we thought he is.
A white version of you?
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I don't like the strange perception that Cutler doesn't have the FIRE AN PASHIN to lead an NFL team. When I see this guy take the kind of punishment he's taken the past two years and continue to peel himself up off the turf and keep slinging the fucking rock all over the field it tells me all I need to know about how motivated and proud and tough he is. A common motherfucker would bitch out and refuse to continue to work. A weak-minded individual would blow up and scream bloody murder or demand a trade.
Cry baby? Give me a fuckin' break.
Right there with you. He's far from a crybaby. I may think I'm quite the stud because of my AWESOME HS football credentials, but there's no fucking way I can call any of them crybabies or pussies, because one hit from Jay Feely, and I'd be down for the count.
It's al relative. But how do you think Phillip Rivers or Ben Rapelisburger would react to the kind of on and off-field hits this dude has taken since he got here? Not half as well as Jay, I promise you. I defy anyone to argue otherwise. Fuck you.
Fuck me for responding to this, but I think we've already seen how Ben responds to countless on-field hits, playing behind that shit offensive line for years.
As for the off-field hits, he certainly took plenty after the motorcycle crash and the first rape accusation (and just the myriad, confirmed suspicions that he's always been a gigantic douchebag).
I guess we'll see more after he returns this time, but he's certainly taken plenty of hits, both off and on the field.
I'd say the raping and the fact that his teammates reportedly hate his guts are indicators that Ben is who we thought he is.
If we already know how Ben would/will respond than what was the point of your post?
To say that Jay would respond better?
Didn't Roethlisberger respond to the first wave of hits by winning the 2nd Super Bowl?
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I don't like the strange perception that Cutler doesn't have the FIRE AN PASHIN to lead an NFL team. When I see this guy take the kind of punishment he's taken the past two years and continue to peel himself up off the turf and keep slinging the fucking rock all over the field it tells me all I need to know about how motivated and proud and tough he is. A common motherfucker would bitch out and refuse to continue to work. A weak-minded individual would blow up and scream bloody murder or demand a trade.
Cry baby? Give me a fuckin' break.
Right there with you. He's far from a crybaby. I may think I'm quite the stud because of my AWESOME HS football credentials, but there's no fucking way I can call any of them crybabies or pussies, because one hit from Jay Feely, and I'd be down for the count.
It's al relative. But how do you think Phillip Rivers or Ben Rapelisburger would react to the kind of on and off-field hits this dude has taken since he got here? Not half as well as Jay, I promise you. I defy anyone to argue otherwise. Fuck you.
Fuck me for responding to this, but I think we've already seen how Ben responds to countless on-field hits, playing behind that shit offensive line for years.
As for the off-field hits, he certainly took plenty after the motorcycle crash and the first rape accusation (and just the myriad, confirmed suspicions that he's always been a gigantic douchebag).
I guess we'll see more after he returns this time, but he's certainly taken plenty of hits, both off and on the field.
I'd say the raping and the fact that his teammates reportedly hate his guts are indicators that Ben is who we thought he is.
A white version of you?
Wait, I raped somebody and crashed my motorcycle and all my co-workers hate me? Damn, I must have been drunk.
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I don't like the strange perception that Cutler doesn't have the FIRE AN PASHIN to lead an NFL team. When I see this guy take the kind of punishment he's taken the past two years and continue to peel himself up off the turf and keep slinging the fucking rock all over the field it tells me all I need to know about how motivated and proud and tough he is. A common motherfucker would bitch out and refuse to continue to work. A weak-minded individual would blow up and scream bloody murder or demand a trade.
Cry baby? Give me a fuckin' break.
Right there with you. He's far from a crybaby. I may think I'm quite the stud because of my AWESOME HS football credentials, but there's no fucking way I can call any of them crybabies or pussies, because one hit from Jay Feely, and I'd be down for the count.
It's al relative. But how do you think Phillip Rivers or Ben Rapelisburger would react to the kind of on and off-field hits this dude has taken since he got here? Not half as well as Jay, I promise you. I defy anyone to argue otherwise. Fuck you.
Fuck me for responding to this, but I think we've already seen how Ben responds to countless on-field hits, playing behind that shit offensive line for years.
As for the off-field hits, he certainly took plenty after the motorcycle crash and the first rape accusation (and just the myriad, confirmed suspicions that he's always been a gigantic douchebag).
I guess we'll see more after he returns this time, but he's certainly taken plenty of hits, both off and on the field.
I'd say the raping and the fact that his teammates reportedly hate his guts are indicators that Ben is who we thought he is.
If we already know how Ben would/will respond than what was the point of your post?
To say that Jay would respond better?
Didn't Roethlisberger respond to the first wave of hits by winning the 2nd Super Bowl and committing rape?
Yes.
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I don't like the strange perception that Cutler doesn't have the FIRE AN PASHIN to lead an NFL team. When I see this guy take the kind of punishment he's taken the past two years and continue to peel himself up off the turf and keep slinging the fucking rock all over the field it tells me all I need to know about how motivated and proud and tough he is. A common motherfucker would bitch out and refuse to continue to work. A weak-minded individual would blow up and scream bloody murder or demand a trade.
Cry baby? Give me a fuckin' break.
Right there with you. He's far from a crybaby. I may think I'm quite the stud because of my AWESOME HS football credentials, but there's no fucking way I can call any of them crybabies or pussies, because one hit from Jay Feely, and I'd be down for the count.
It's al relative. But how do you think Phillip Rivers or Ben Rapelisburger would react to the kind of on and off-field hits this dude has taken since he got here? Not half as well as Jay, I promise you. I defy anyone to argue otherwise. Fuck you.
Fuck me for responding to this, but I think we've already seen how Ben responds to countless on-field hits, playing behind that shit offensive line for years.
As for the off-field hits, he certainly took plenty after the motorcycle crash and the first rape accusation (and just the myriad, confirmed suspicions that he's always been a gigantic douchebag).
I guess we'll see more after he returns this time, but he's certainly taken plenty of hits, both off and on the field.
I'd say the raping and the fact that his teammates reportedly hate his guts are indicators that Ben is who we thought he is.
If we already know how Ben would/will respond than what was the point of your post?
To say that Jay would respond better?
Didn't Roethlisberger respond to the first wave of hits by winning the 2nd Super Bowl and committing rapel?
Yes.
That was a whole year after the second Super Bowl.
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I don't like the strange perception that Cutler doesn't have the FIRE AN PASHIN to lead an NFL team. When I see this guy take the kind of punishment he's taken the past two years and continue to peel himself up off the turf and keep slinging the fucking rock all over the field it tells me all I need to know about how motivated and proud and tough he is. A common motherfucker would bitch out and refuse to continue to work. A weak-minded individual would blow up and scream bloody murder or demand a trade.
Cry baby? Give me a fuckin' break.
Right there with you. He's far from a crybaby. I may think I'm quite the stud because of my AWESOME HS football credentials, but there's no fucking way I can call any of them crybabies or pussies, because one hit from Jay Feely, and I'd be down for the count.
It's al relative. But how do you think Phillip Rivers or Ben Rapelisburger would react to the kind of on and off-field hits this dude has taken since he got here? Not half as well as Jay, I promise you. I defy anyone to argue otherwise. Fuck you.
Fuck me for responding to this, but I think we've already seen how Ben responds to countless on-field hits, playing behind that shit offensive line for years.
As for the off-field hits, he certainly took plenty after the motorcycle crash and the first rape accusation (and just the myriad, confirmed suspicions that he's always been a gigantic douchebag).
I guess we'll see more after he returns this time, but he's certainly taken plenty of hits, both off and on the field.
I'd say the raping and the fact that his teammates reportedly hate his guts are indicators that Ben is who we thought he is.
If we already know how Ben would/will respond than what was the point of your post?
To say that Jay would respond better?
Didn't Roethlisberger respond to the first wave of hits by winning the 2nd Super Bowl and committing rapel?
Yes.
That was a whole year after the second Super Bowl.
That doesn't matter.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 05, 2010, 11:35:35 AM
Quote from: R-V on October 05, 2010, 10:53:48 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 04, 2010, 08:02:01 PMWhat I don't think helps is he's got a very punchable face and stupid hair. It's true. I like Jay and wish him well. My point, so none of you titheads get confused, is that a lot of fans are unable to separate personality from talent. If a guy looks/acts/is a douche and struggles a little or a lot, it's very easy to pile on and turn your back on him. Even if that guy has a lot of talent.
In this case, I think the whiner tag that he came here with is going to be very difficult for Jay to shake and that's just a fact. I don't judge him by that and I know SKO doesn't. I'm just saying a lot of people do. Also, for further clarification: those people are wieners.
I don't want Jay to be cool or friendly or pose for endless photographs with sick kids. I want him to win and not die because he's on my favorite team. So yeah, I'm pretty bummed that the offensive line decided to let him get pounded like yesterday's beef.
All that. If Cutler and Joakim were Packers or Vikings or Knicks I'd want them to die for being douches. But they're OUR douches. So I like them.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 05, 2010, 10:17:55 AM
I don't like the strange perception that Cutler doesn't have the FIRE AN PASHIN to lead an NFL team. When I see this guy take the kind of punishment he's taken the past two years and continue to peel himself up off the turf and keep slinging the fucking rock all over the field it tells me all I need to know about how motivated and proud and tough he is. A common motherfucker would bitch out and refuse to continue to work. A weak-minded individual would blow up and scream bloody murder or demand a trade.
Cry baby? Give me a fuckin' break.
Also them. Obviously I'm biased here but I think Cutler's assbaggery, other than the occasional hangdog look after getting his nuts stomped, is kept off the field. He may have threesomes with Hills stars and G-Reg and be the Crown Prince of Chaddery once he leaves Halas Hall, but at least he's not a preening smarmdickle presenting his ass to fans like Rodgers was last week.
How do you compare Cutler to Noah? When did Cutler ever manage to take two full seasons off from caring or competing and basically acting like a professional. One decent year from Noah and everybody in Chicago is treating him like he's fucking Spiderman. That's so Chcago. (replaces Tyler Colvin's dong in mouth)
I'm not saying they're comparable athletes because of their level of talent or accomplishments. They're similar in that people who don't root for the Bears or Bulls generally don't like them because of their stupid faces and personalities. So thanks for proving my point.
Quote from: R-V on October 05, 2010, 12:40:13 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 05, 2010, 11:35:35 AM
Quote from: R-V on October 05, 2010, 10:53:48 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 04, 2010, 08:02:01 PMWhat I don't think helps is he's got a very punchable face and stupid hair. It's true. I like Jay and wish him well. My point, so none of you titheads get confused, is that a lot of fans are unable to separate personality from talent. If a guy looks/acts/is a douche and struggles a little or a lot, it's very easy to pile on and turn your back on him. Even if that guy has a lot of talent.
In this case, I think the whiner tag that he came here with is going to be very difficult for Jay to shake and that's just a fact. I don't judge him by that and I know SKO doesn't. I'm just saying a lot of people do. Also, for further clarification: those people are wieners.
I don't want Jay to be cool or friendly or pose for endless photographs with sick kids. I want him to win and not die because he's on my favorite team. So yeah, I'm pretty bummed that the offensive line decided to let him get pounded like yesterday's beef.
All that. If Cutler and Joakim were Packers or Vikings or Knicks I'd want them to die for being douches. But they're OUR douches. So I like them.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 05, 2010, 10:17:55 AM
I don't like the strange perception that Cutler doesn't have the FIRE AN PASHIN to lead an NFL team. When I see this guy take the kind of punishment he's taken the past two years and continue to peel himself up off the turf and keep slinging the fucking rock all over the field it tells me all I need to know about how motivated and proud and tough he is. A common motherfucker would bitch out and refuse to continue to work. A weak-minded individual would blow up and scream bloody murder or demand a trade.
Cry baby? Give me a fuckin' break.
Also them. Obviously I'm biased here but I think Cutler's assbaggery, other than the occasional hangdog look after getting his nuts stomped, is kept off the field. He may have threesomes with Hills stars and G-Reg and be the Crown Prince of Chaddery once he leaves Halas Hall, but at least he's not a preening smarmdickle presenting his ass to fans like Rodgers was last week.
How do you compare Cutler to Noah? When did Cutler ever manage to take two full seasons off from caring or competing and basically acting like a professional. One decent year from Noah and everybody in Chicago is treating him like he's fucking Spiderman. That's so Chcago. (replaces Tyler Colvin's dong in mouth)
I'm not saying they're comparable athletes because of their level of talent or accomplishments. They're similar in that people who don't root for the Bears or Bulls generally don't like them because of their stupid faces and personalities. So thanks for proving my point.
No problem. /Starks fanboy.
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 10:13:57 AM
Statistically speaking, if someone gets a TD on a punt return (or KO), the likelihood of them returning the next for a TD drops dramatically.
Are you saying it's less likely because the other team will make adjustments? Or that it's statistically less likely, purely because of the previous return TD?
Quote from: Eli on October 05, 2010, 01:15:58 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 10:13:57 AM
Statistically speaking, if someone gets a TD on a punt return (or KO), the likelihood of them returning the next for a TD drops dramatically.
Are you saying it's less likely because the other team will make adjustments? Or that it's statistically less likely, purely because of the previous return TD?
I think he's saying that if you flip a coin and it lands heads 10 times in a row, it must land on tails the 11th time.
Quote from: Oleg on October 05, 2010, 01:46:39 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 05, 2010, 01:15:58 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 10:13:57 AM
Statistically speaking, if someone gets a TD on a punt return (or KO), the likelihood of them returning the next for a TD drops dramatically.
Are you saying it's less likely because the other team will make adjustments? Or that it's statistically less likely, purely because of the previous return TD?
I think he's saying that if you flip a coin and it lands heads 10 times in a row, it must land on tails the 11th time.
The coin is
due, man.
Quote from: Oleg on October 05, 2010, 01:46:39 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 05, 2010, 01:15:58 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 10:13:57 AM
Statistically speaking, if someone gets a TD on a punt return (or KO), the likelihood of them returning the next for a TD drops dramatically.
Are you saying it's less likely because the other team will make adjustments? Or that it's statistically less likely, purely because of the previous return TD?
I think he's saying that if you flip a coin and it lands heads 10 times in a row, it must land on tails the 11th time.
Not "must" but "more likely to". And it does have something to do with adjustments, but also the likelihood of that kind of play happening. The NFL isn't like HS football where a great player can literally run circles around an opposing team. Even the great returners in the NFL are stopped for a "normal return" more often than not. The odds of this happening does derive from the quality of the opposing players as well as your own players. Adjustments can factor in. If you swap out your gunners because they're not containing like they should, then that can factor in. All of this factors in to basically show that, immediately after a successful punt/KO return for a TD, then the odds of it happening the next time drop drastically.
Quote from: Eli on October 05, 2010, 01:56:22 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 05, 2010, 01:46:39 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 05, 2010, 01:15:58 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 10:13:57 AM
Statistically speaking, if someone gets a TD on a punt return (or KO), the likelihood of them returning the next for a TD drops dramatically.
Are you saying it's less likely because the other team will make adjustments? Or that it's statistically less likely, purely because of the previous return TD?
I think he's saying that if you flip a coin and it lands heads 10 times in a row, it must land on tails the 11th time.
The coin is due, man.
I think he's saying the other team probably will kick it away from you. Or something something HS Football something.
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:00:38 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 05, 2010, 01:46:39 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 05, 2010, 01:15:58 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 10:13:57 AM
Statistically speaking, if someone gets a TD on a punt return (or KO), the likelihood of them returning the next for a TD drops dramatically.
Are you saying it's less likely because the other team will make adjustments? Or that it's statistically less likely, purely because of the previous return TD?
I think he's saying that if you flip a coin and it lands heads 10 times in a row, it must land on tails the 11th time.
Not "must" but "more likely to". And it does have something to do with adjustments, but also the likelihood of that kind of play happening. The NFL isn't like HS football where a great player can literally run circles around an opposing team. Even the great returners in the NFL are stopped for a "normal return" more often than not. The odds of this happening does derive from the quality of the opposing players as well as your own players. Adjustments can factor in. If you swap out your gunners because they're not containing like they should, then that can factor in. All of this factors in to basically show that, immediately after a successful punt/KO return for a TD, then the odds of it happening the next time drop drastically.
So, if Evan Longoria gets a hit in his first at bat tomorrow, his chances of getting a hit in his second at bat are less than they were in his first at bat?
Quote from: Brownie on October 05, 2010, 02:02:55 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:00:38 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 05, 2010, 01:46:39 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 05, 2010, 01:15:58 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 10:13:57 AM
Statistically speaking, if someone gets a TD on a punt return (or KO), the likelihood of them returning the next for a TD drops dramatically.
Are you saying it's less likely because the other team will make adjustments? Or that it's statistically less likely, purely because of the previous return TD?
I think he's saying that if you flip a coin and it lands heads 10 times in a row, it must land on tails the 11th time.
Not "must" but "more likely to". And it does have something to do with adjustments, but also the likelihood of that kind of play happening. The NFL isn't like HS football where a great player can literally run circles around an opposing team. Even the great returners in the NFL are stopped for a "normal return" more often than not. The odds of this happening does derive from the quality of the opposing players as well as your own players. Adjustments can factor in. If you swap out your gunners because they're not containing like they should, then that can factor in. All of this factors in to basically show that, immediately after a successful punt/KO return for a TD, then the odds of it happening the next time drop drastically.
So, if Evan Longoria gets a hit in his first at bat tomorrow, his chances of getting a hit in his second at bat are less than they were in his first at bat?
I can't believe that this conversation is happening and BC is not involved in it.
In the abstract.
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:00:38 PM
All of this factors in to basically show that, immediately after a successful punt/KO return for a TD, then the odds of it happening the next time drop drastically.
But not STATISTICALLY speaking, as you said. In fact, the statistical odds increase because the returner's rate of returns-for-touchdowns is now higher after the previous return.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 05, 2010, 02:01:03 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 05, 2010, 01:56:22 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 05, 2010, 01:46:39 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 05, 2010, 01:15:58 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 10:13:57 AM
Statistically speaking, if someone gets a TD on a punt return (or KO), the likelihood of them returning the next for a TD drops dramatically.
Are you saying it's less likely because the other team will make adjustments? Or that it's statistically less likely, purely because of the previous return TD?
I think he's saying that if you flip a coin and it lands heads 10 times in a row, it must land on tails the 11th time.
The coin is due, man.
I think he's saying the other team probably will kick it away from you. Or something something HS Football something.
Wait, Yeti played high school football? I'd like to hear more about this.
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:00:38 PM
The NFL isn't like HS football where a great player can literally run circles around an opposing team.
I get it now. You're messing with everyone.
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:00:38 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 05, 2010, 01:46:39 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 05, 2010, 01:15:58 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 10:13:57 AM
Statistically speaking, if someone gets a TD on a punt return (or KO), the likelihood of them returning the next for a TD drops dramatically.
Are you saying it's less likely because the other team will make adjustments? Or that it's statistically less likely, purely because of the previous return TD?
I think he's saying that if you flip a coin and it lands heads 10 times in a row, it must land on tails the 11th time.
Not "must" but "more likely to". And it does have something to do with adjustments, but also the likelihood of that kind of play happening. The NFL isn't like HS football where a great player can literally run circles around an opposing team. Even the great returners in the NFL are stopped for a "normal return" more often than not. The odds of this happening does derive from the quality of the opposing players as well as your own players. Adjustments can factor in. If you swap out your gunners because they're not containing like they should, then that can factor in. All of this factors in to basically show that, immediately after a successful punt/KO return for a TD, then the odds of it happening the next time drop drastically.
You keep talking about "odds" and what "the numbers will show," so a question: are these "odds" and "numbers" real or just imaginary?
Because, absent such things, I'd have to say that independent events are independent events are independent events.
Quote from: Brownie on October 05, 2010, 02:02:55 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:00:38 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 05, 2010, 01:46:39 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 05, 2010, 01:15:58 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 10:13:57 AM
Statistically speaking, if someone gets a TD on a punt return (or KO), the likelihood of them returning the next for a TD drops dramatically.
Are you saying it's less likely because the other team will make adjustments? Or that it's statistically less likely, purely because of the previous return TD?
I think he's saying that if you flip a coin and it lands heads 10 times in a row, it must land on tails the 11th time.
Not "must" but "more likely to". And it does have something to do with adjustments, but also the likelihood of that kind of play happening. The NFL isn't like HS football where a great player can literally run circles around an opposing team. Even the great returners in the NFL are stopped for a "normal return" more often than not. The odds of this happening does derive from the quality of the opposing players as well as your own players. Adjustments can factor in. If you swap out your gunners because they're not containing like they should, then that can factor in. All of this factors in to basically show that, immediately after a successful punt/KO return for a TD, then the odds of it happening the next time drop drastically.
So, if Evan Longoria gets a hit in his first at bat tomorrow, his chances of getting a hit in his second at bat are less than they were in his first at bat?
So, the law of large numbers doesn't indicate that over time the numbers will average out to the norm? Also, comparing hits to Punt Return TDs isn't apt. I don't think 25% of Punts are returned for TDs (it's probably closer to 5%). 25% of ABs result in hits, though.
I don't think Yeti means what he thinks he means.
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:10:40 PM
Quote from: Brownie on October 05, 2010, 02:02:55 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:00:38 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 05, 2010, 01:46:39 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 05, 2010, 01:15:58 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 10:13:57 AM
Statistically speaking, if someone gets a TD on a punt return (or KO), the likelihood of them returning the next for a TD drops dramatically.
Are you saying it's less likely because the other team will make adjustments? Or that it's statistically less likely, purely because of the previous return TD?
I think he's saying that if you flip a coin and it lands heads 10 times in a row, it must land on tails the 11th time.
Not "must" but "more likely to". And it does have something to do with adjustments, but also the likelihood of that kind of play happening. The NFL isn't like HS football where a great player can literally run circles around an opposing team. Even the great returners in the NFL are stopped for a "normal return" more often than not. The odds of this happening does derive from the quality of the opposing players as well as your own players. Adjustments can factor in. If you swap out your gunners because they're not containing like they should, then that can factor in. All of this factors in to basically show that, immediately after a successful punt/KO return for a TD, then the odds of it happening the next time drop drastically.
So, if Evan Longoria gets a hit in his first at bat tomorrow, his chances of getting a hit in his second at bat are less than they were in his first at bat?
So, the law of large numbers doesn't indicate that over time the numbers will average out to the norm? Also, comparing hits to Punt Return TDs isn't apt. I don't think 25% of Punts are returned for TDs (it's probably closer to 5%). 25% of ABs result in hits, though.
11 are a large numbers.
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:10:40 PM
So, the law of large numbers doesn't indicate that over time the numbers will average out to the norm?
I don't think you get how "regression to the mean" works.
We'll take Longoria as out example...
He's a career .283 hitter.
Say he hits at .450 for the first month of a season. Regression to the mean doesn't suggest he's therefore more likely to hit .166 the second month to even out his overall BA at .283.
Rather, regression to the mean suggests (more or less) that he's likely to hit .283 going forward and that the overall average will therefore gradually fall back to Earth as a consequence.
Independent events.
http://twitter.com/BradBiggs (http://twitter.com/BradBiggs)
#Bears signing DE Charles Grant per @vxmcclure23. He will take place of Mark Anderson, who was cut per his agent.
Quote from: R-V on October 05, 2010, 02:14:56 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:10:40 PM
Quote from: Brownie on October 05, 2010, 02:02:55 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:00:38 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 05, 2010, 01:46:39 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 05, 2010, 01:15:58 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 10:13:57 AM
Statistically speaking, if someone gets a TD on a punt return (or KO), the likelihood of them returning the next for a TD drops dramatically.
Are you saying it's less likely because the other team will make adjustments? Or that it's statistically less likely, purely because of the previous return TD?
I think he's saying that if you flip a coin and it lands heads 10 times in a row, it must land on tails the 11th time.
Not "must" but "more likely to". And it does have something to do with adjustments, but also the likelihood of that kind of play happening. The NFL isn't like HS football where a great player can literally run circles around an opposing team. Even the great returners in the NFL are stopped for a "normal return" more often than not. The odds of this happening does derive from the quality of the opposing players as well as your own players. Adjustments can factor in. If you swap out your gunners because they're not containing like they should, then that can factor in. All of this factors in to basically show that, immediately after a successful punt/KO return for a TD, then the odds of it happening the next time drop drastically.
So, if Evan Longoria gets a hit in his first at bat tomorrow, his chances of getting a hit in his second at bat are less than they were in his first at bat?
So, the law of large numbers doesn't indicate that over time the numbers will average out to the norm? Also, comparing hits to Punt Return TDs isn't apt. I don't think 25% of Punts are returned for TDs (it's probably closer to 5%). 25% of ABs result in hits, though.
11 are a large numbers.
Large is a relative term. Such as myself, I'm large relative to you. Relative to BC, I'm quite petite.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 05, 2010, 02:16:46 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:10:40 PM
So, the law of large numbers doesn't indicate that over time the numbers will average out to the norm?
I don't think you get how "regression to the mean" works.
We'll take Longoria as out example...
He's a career .283 hitter.
Say he hits at .450 for a the first month of a season. Regression to the mean doesn't suggest he's therefore more likely to hit .166 the second month to even his overall BA out at .283.
Rather, regression to the mean suggests (more or less) that he's likely to hit .283 going forward and that the overall average will therefore gradually fall back to Earth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_%28probability_theory%29
(I'm agreeing with everyone except Yeti here.)
Quote from: Waco Kid on October 05, 2010, 02:17:00 PM
http://twitter.com/BradBiggs (http://twitter.com/BradBiggs)
#Bears signing DE Charles Grant per @vxmcclure23. He will take place of Mark Anderson, who was cut per his agent.
Didn't the Anderson over Brown experiment fail once before? Nice choice, Lovie.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 05, 2010, 02:16:46 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:10:40 PM
So, the law of large numbers doesn't indicate that over time the numbers will average out to the norm?
I don't think you get how "regression to the mean" works.
We'll take Longoria as out example...
He's a career .283 hitter.
Say he hits at .450 for the first month of a season. Regression to the mean doesn't suggest he's therefore more likely to hit .166 the second month to even out his overall BA at .283.
Rather, regression to the mean suggests (more or less) that he's likely to hit .283 going forward and that the overall average will therefore gradually fall back to Earth.
Part of the reason that I wanted to stay away from baseball as a comparison is because baseball is more "vacuum-y" (if you will) than football. There are more factors involved in foosball. Like I said originally, part of it has to do with opposing adjustments that have more of an effect on the next instance (or return).
I'm actually getting the feeling that Yeti is over-thinking this.
Quote from: morpheus on October 05, 2010, 02:19:06 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 05, 2010, 02:16:46 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:10:40 PM
So, the law of large numbers doesn't indicate that over time the numbers will average out to the norm?
I don't think you get how "regression to the mean" works.
We'll take Longoria as out example...
He's a career .283 hitter.
Say he hits at .450 for a the first month of a season. Regression to the mean doesn't suggest he's therefore more likely to hit .166 the second month to even his overall BA out at .283.
Rather, regression to the mean suggests (more or less) that he's likely to hit .283 going forward and that the overall average will therefore gradually fall back to Earth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_%28probability_theory%29
(I'm agreeing with everyone except Yeti here.)
That would work if every punt return was the same.
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:21:58 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 05, 2010, 02:16:46 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:10:40 PM
So, the law of large numbers doesn't indicate that over time the numbers will average out to the norm?
I don't think you get how "regression to the mean" works.
We'll take Longoria as out example...
He's a career .283 hitter.
Say he hits at .450 for the first month of a season. Regression to the mean doesn't suggest he's therefore more likely to hit .166 the second month to even out his overall BA at .283.
Rather, regression to the mean suggests (more or less) that he's likely to hit .283 going forward and that the overall average will therefore gradually fall back to Earth.
Part of the reason that I wanted to stay away from baseball as a comparison is because baseball is more "vacuum-y" (if you will) than football. There are more factors involved. Like I said originally, part of it has to do with opposing adjustments that have more of an effect on the next instance (or return).
I get that adjustments matter.
I'm just not sure that you do.
Because you're argument seems to boil down to: don't worry about making adjustments to your kicking game (by not kicking it to Hester the second time)... the adjustments to your kicking game will surely stop him!
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 05, 2010, 02:25:43 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:21:58 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 05, 2010, 02:16:46 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:10:40 PM
So, the law of large numbers doesn't indicate that over time the numbers will average out to the norm?
I don't think you get how "regression to the mean" works.
We'll take Longoria as out example...
He's a career .283 hitter.
Say he hits at .450 for the first month of a season. Regression to the mean doesn't suggest he's therefore more likely to hit .166 the second month to even out his overall BA at .283.
Rather, regression to the mean suggests (more or less) that he's likely to hit .283 going forward and that the overall average will therefore gradually fall back to Earth.
Part of the reason that I wanted to stay away from baseball as a comparison is because baseball is more "vacuum-y" (if you will) than football. There are more factors involved. Like I said originally, part of it has to do with opposing adjustments that have more of an effect on the next instance (or return).
I get that adjustments matter.
I'm just not sure that you do.
Because you're argument seems to boil down to: don't worry about making adjustments to our kicking game (by not kicking it to Hester the second time)... the adjustments to our kicking game will surely stop him!
Now your talking, Tank.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 05, 2010, 02:25:43 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:21:58 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 05, 2010, 02:16:46 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:10:40 PM
So, the law of large numbers doesn't indicate that over time the numbers will average out to the norm?
I don't think you get how "regression to the mean" works.
We'll take Longoria as out example...
He's a career .283 hitter.
Say he hits at .450 for the first month of a season. Regression to the mean doesn't suggest he's therefore more likely to hit .166 the second month to even out his overall BA at .283.
Rather, regression to the mean suggests (more or less) that he's likely to hit .283 going forward and that the overall average will therefore gradually fall back to Earth.
Part of the reason that I wanted to stay away from baseball as a comparison is because baseball is more "vacuum-y" (if you will) than football. There are more factors involved. Like I said originally, part of it has to do with opposing adjustments that have more of an effect on the next instance (or return).
I get that adjustments matter.
I'm just not sure that you do.
Because you're argument seems to boil down to: don't worry about making adjustments to your kicking game (by not kicking it to Hester the second time)... the adjustments to your kicking game will surely stop him!
So, I said teams shouldn't make adjustments or don't make adjustments? The return is the mainly result of an "error" if you will, a mistake, usually by the kicking team (not in the lane, bad punt, pisspoor tackling, etc). Based on the fact that the majority of returns aren't taken back for 100 yards every time, it stands to reason that the following return won't yield the exact same circumstances and results (a TD).
Quote from: Eli on October 05, 2010, 02:10:04 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:00:38 PM
The NFL isn't like HS football where a great player can literally run circles around an opposing team.
I get it now. You're messing with everyone.
You've never seen a HS football game where there was one player who was insanely better than anyone else? I know I have a propensity to attend these to scope out the local wool, but you should see some more of it. It's actually a pretty good time.
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:38:07 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 05, 2010, 02:10:04 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:00:38 PM
The NFL isn’t like HS football where a great player can literally run circles around an opposing team.
I get it now. You're messing with everyone.
You've never seen a HS football game where there was one player who was insanely better than anyone else? I know I have a propensity to attend these to scope out the local wool, but you should see some more of it. It's actually a pretty good time.
That person is so good that he has the time to literally run in an even 360-degree shape around his opponents? No, I haven't seen that.
Quote from: Tony on October 05, 2010, 02:20:38 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on October 05, 2010, 02:17:00 PM
http://twitter.com/BradBiggs (http://twitter.com/BradBiggs)
#Bears signing DE Charles Grant per @vxmcclure23. He will take place of Mark Anderson, who was cut per his agent.
Didn't the Anderson over Brown experiment fail once before? Nice choice, Lovie.
Brown was owed a 5 or 6 Mildo roster bonus so it was an easy choice. But not the
right choice, Jerry.
Quote from: Bort on October 05, 2010, 02:41:22 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:38:07 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 05, 2010, 02:10:04 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:00:38 PM
The NFL isn't like HS football where a great player can literally run circles around an opposing team.
I get it now. You're messing with everyone.
You've never seen a HS football game where there was one player who was insanely better than anyone else? I know I have a propensity to attend these to scope out the local wool, but you should see some more of it. It's actually a pretty good time.
That person is so good that he has the time to literally run in an even 360-degree shape around his opponents? No, I haven't seen that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PBvOxicz-0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PBvOxicz-0)
Stop arguing with Yeti about teh maths. Nerds.
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:38:07 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 05, 2010, 02:25:43 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:21:58 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 05, 2010, 02:16:46 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:10:40 PM
So, the law of large numbers doesn't indicate that over time the numbers will average out to the norm?
I don't think you get how "regression to the mean" works.
We'll take Longoria as out example...
He's a career .283 hitter.
Say he hits at .450 for the first month of a season. Regression to the mean doesn't suggest he's therefore more likely to hit .166 the second month to even out his overall BA at .283.
Rather, regression to the mean suggests (more or less) that he's likely to hit .283 going forward and that the overall average will therefore gradually fall back to Earth.
Part of the reason that I wanted to stay away from baseball as a comparison is because baseball is more "vacuum-y" (if you will) than football. There are more factors involved. Like I said originally, part of it has to do with opposing adjustments that have more of an effect on the next instance (or return).
I get that adjustments matter.
I'm just not sure that you do.
Because you're argument seems to boil down to: don't worry about making adjustments to your kicking game (by not kicking it to Hester the second time)... the adjustments to your kicking game will surely stop him!
So, I said teams shouldn't make adjustments or don't make adjustments? The return is the mainly result of an "error" if you will, a mistake, usually by the kicking team (not in the lane, bad punt, pisspoor tackling, etc). Based on the fact that the majority of returns aren't taken back for 100 yards every time, it stands to reason that the following return won't yield the exact same circumstances and results (a TD).
Quote from: Eli on October 05, 2010, 02:10:04 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:00:38 PM
The NFL isn't like HS football where a great player can literally run circles around an opposing team.
I get it now. You're messing with everyone.
You've never seen a HS football game where there was one player who was insanely better than anyone else? I know I have a propensity to attend these to scope out the local wool, but you should see some more of it. It's actually a pretty good time.
A couple weeks ago, I covered a high school game (excuse the shitty writing) (http://football.dailyherald.com/story/?id=410742) where a running back had 276 rushing yards in the first half. He figuratively ran circles around the opposing team.
I also covered a HS football game where they had a guy running on the track throughout the game. He was an older man, and I doubt he could really do anything of consequence (except fumble the ball and get injured) if they put him into the game. Funny thing was that he
literally ran circles around BOTH teams.
CORRECTED: Ovals. He literally ran ovals around both teams.
Quote from: Bort on October 05, 2010, 02:41:22 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:38:07 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 05, 2010, 02:10:04 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:00:38 PM
The NFL isn't like HS football where a great player can literally run circles around an opposing team.
I get it now. You're messing with everyone.
You've never seen a HS football game where there was one player who was insanely better than anyone else? I know I have a propensity to attend these to scope out the local wool, but you should see some more of it. It's actually a pretty good time.
That person is so good that he has the time to literally run in an even 360-degree shape around his opponents? No, I haven't seen that.
You've obviously never attended a game at Outdoor Shitter Stadium in the Bumfuck Nowheresville Conference. You elitist prick.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 05, 2010, 02:41:42 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 05, 2010, 02:20:38 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on October 05, 2010, 02:17:00 PM
http://twitter.com/BradBiggs (http://twitter.com/BradBiggs)
#Bears signing DE Charles Grant per @vxmcclure23. He will take place of Mark Anderson, who was cut per his agent.
Didn't the Anderson over Brown experiment fail once before? Nice choice, Lovie.
Brown was owed a 5 or 6 Mildo roster bonus so it was an easy choice. But not the right choice, Jerry.
Well then they should have cut Tommie instead. And yeah, I like Alex Brown probably more than he deserves, but he was reliable dammit.
Quote from: Brownie on October 05, 2010, 02:45:18 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:38:07 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 05, 2010, 02:25:43 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:21:58 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 05, 2010, 02:16:46 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:10:40 PM
So, the law of large numbers doesn't indicate that over time the numbers will average out to the norm?
I don't think you get how "regression to the mean" works.
We'll take Longoria as out example...
He's a career .283 hitter.
Say he hits at .450 for the first month of a season. Regression to the mean doesn't suggest he's therefore more likely to hit .166 the second month to even out his overall BA at .283.
Rather, regression to the mean suggests (more or less) that he's likely to hit .283 going forward and that the overall average will therefore gradually fall back to Earth.
Part of the reason that I wanted to stay away from baseball as a comparison is because baseball is more "vacuum-y" (if you will) than football. There are more factors involved. Like I said originally, part of it has to do with opposing adjustments that have more of an effect on the next instance (or return).
I get that adjustments matter.
I'm just not sure that you do.
Because you're argument seems to boil down to: don't worry about making adjustments to your kicking game (by not kicking it to Hester the second time)... the adjustments to your kicking game will surely stop him!
So, I said teams shouldn't make adjustments or don't make adjustments? The return is the mainly result of an "error" if you will, a mistake, usually by the kicking team (not in the lane, bad punt, pisspoor tackling, etc). Based on the fact that the majority of returns aren't taken back for 100 yards every time, it stands to reason that the following return won't yield the exact same circumstances and results (a TD).
Quote from: Eli on October 05, 2010, 02:10:04 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:00:38 PM
The NFL isn’t like HS football where a great player can literally run circles around an opposing team.
I get it now. You're messing with everyone.
You've never seen a HS football game where there was one player who was insanely better than anyone else? I know I have a propensity to attend these to scope out the local wool, but you should see some more of it. It's actually a pretty good time.
A couple weeks ago, I covered a high school game (excuse the shitty writing) (http://football.dailyherald.com/story/?id=410742) where a running back had 276 rushing yards in the first half. He figuratively ran circles around the opposing team.
I also covered a HS football game where they had a guy running on the track throughout the game. He was an older man, and I doubt he could really do anything of consequence (except fumble the ball and get injured) if they put him into the game. Funny thing was that he literally ran circles around BOTH teams.
CORRECTED: Ovals. He literally ran ovals around both teams.
I may have exaggerated the "literal" thing, but it's people like that kid that I'm referring to. Put that kid on punt returns and he'll probably average 25-30 yards a return
Quote from: Tony on October 05, 2010, 02:47:22 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 05, 2010, 02:41:42 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 05, 2010, 02:20:38 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on October 05, 2010, 02:17:00 PM
http://twitter.com/BradBiggs (http://twitter.com/BradBiggs)
#Bears signing DE Charles Grant per @vxmcclure23. He will take place of Mark Anderson, who was cut per his agent.
Didn't the Anderson over Brown experiment fail once before? Nice choice, Lovie.
Brown was owed a 5 or 6 Mildo roster bonus so it was an easy choice. But not the right choice, Jerry.
Well then they should have cut Tommie instead. And yeah, I like Alex Brown probably more than he deserves, but he was reliable dammit.
I don't think they had/have the depth at DT to cut Harris, as disappointing as he is to us, Lovie, his parents, God and everybody. And yet Charles Grants grow on trees.
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:48:55 PM
Quote from: Brownie on October 05, 2010, 02:45:18 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:38:07 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 05, 2010, 02:25:43 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:21:58 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 05, 2010, 02:16:46 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:10:40 PM
So, the law of large numbers doesn't indicate that over time the numbers will average out to the norm?
I don't think you get how "regression to the mean" works.
We'll take Longoria as out example...
He's a career .283 hitter.
Say he hits at .450 for the first month of a season. Regression to the mean doesn't suggest he's therefore more likely to hit .166 the second month to even out his overall BA at .283.
Rather, regression to the mean suggests (more or less) that he's likely to hit .283 going forward and that the overall average will therefore gradually fall back to Earth.
Part of the reason that I wanted to stay away from baseball as a comparison is because baseball is more "vacuum-y" (if you will) than football. There are more factors involved. Like I said originally, part of it has to do with opposing adjustments that have more of an effect on the next instance (or return).
I get that adjustments matter.
I'm just not sure that you do.
Because you're argument seems to boil down to: don't worry about making adjustments to your kicking game (by not kicking it to Hester the second time)... the adjustments to your kicking game will surely stop him!
So, I said teams shouldn't make adjustments or don't make adjustments? The return is the mainly result of an "error" if you will, a mistake, usually by the kicking team (not in the lane, bad punt, pisspoor tackling, etc). Based on the fact that the majority of returns aren't taken back for 100 yards every time, it stands to reason that the following return won't yield the exact same circumstances and results (a TD).
Quote from: Eli on October 05, 2010, 02:10:04 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:00:38 PM
The NFL isn't like HS football where a great player can literally run circles around an opposing team.
I get it now. You're messing with everyone.
You've never seen a HS football game where there was one player who was insanely better than anyone else? I know I have a propensity to attend these to scope out the local wool, but you should see some more of it. It's actually a pretty good time.
A couple weeks ago, I covered a high school game (excuse the shitty writing) (http://football.dailyherald.com/story/?id=410742) where a running back had 276 rushing yards in the first half. He figuratively ran circles around the opposing team.
I also covered a HS football game where they had a guy running on the track throughout the game. He was an older man, and I doubt he could really do anything of consequence (except fumble the ball and get injured) if they put him into the game. Funny thing was that he literally ran circles around BOTH teams.
CORRECTED: Ovals. He literally ran ovals around both teams.
I may have exaggerated the "literal" thing, but it's people like that kid that I'm referring to. Put that kid on punt returns and he'll probably average 25-30 yards a return
Every post you make in this thread is literally dumber than the one you made before it.
You cannot EXAGGERATE "literally." The most unique thing about the word literal is that when you misuse it, you are using it exactly wrong.
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:48:55 PM
Quote from: Brownie on October 05, 2010, 02:45:18 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:38:07 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 05, 2010, 02:25:43 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:21:58 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 05, 2010, 02:16:46 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:10:40 PM
So, the law of large numbers doesn't indicate that over time the numbers will average out to the norm?
I don't think you get how "regression to the mean" works.
We'll take Longoria as out example...
He's a career .283 hitter.
Say he hits at .450 for the first month of a season. Regression to the mean doesn't suggest he's therefore more likely to hit .166 the second month to even out his overall BA at .283.
Rather, regression to the mean suggests (more or less) that he's likely to hit .283 going forward and that the overall average will therefore gradually fall back to Earth.
Part of the reason that I wanted to stay away from baseball as a comparison is because baseball is more "vacuum-y" (if you will) than football. There are more factors involved. Like I said originally, part of it has to do with opposing adjustments that have more of an effect on the next instance (or return).
I get that adjustments matter.
I'm just not sure that you do.
Because you're argument seems to boil down to: don't worry about making adjustments to your kicking game (by not kicking it to Hester the second time)... the adjustments to your kicking game will surely stop him!
So, I said teams shouldn't make adjustments or don't make adjustments? The return is the mainly result of an "error" if you will, a mistake, usually by the kicking team (not in the lane, bad punt, pisspoor tackling, etc). Based on the fact that the majority of returns aren't taken back for 100 yards every time, it stands to reason that the following return won't yield the exact same circumstances and results (a TD).
Quote from: Eli on October 05, 2010, 02:10:04 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:00:38 PM
The NFL isn't like HS football where a great player can literally run circles around an opposing team.
I get it now. You're messing with everyone.
You've never seen a HS football game where there was one player who was insanely better than anyone else? I know I have a propensity to attend these to scope out the local wool, but you should see some more of it. It's actually a pretty good time.
A couple weeks ago, I covered a high school game (excuse the shitty writing) (http://football.dailyherald.com/story/?id=410742) where a running back had 276 rushing yards in the first half. He figuratively ran circles around the opposing team.
I also covered a HS football game where they had a guy running on the track throughout the game. He was an older man, and I doubt he could really do anything of consequence (except fumble the ball and get injured) if they put him into the game. Funny thing was that he literally ran circles around BOTH teams.
CORRECTED: Ovals. He literally ran ovals around both teams.
I may have exaggerated the "literal" thing, but it's people like that kid that I'm referring to. Put that kid on punt returns and he'll probably average 25-30 yards a return
But if he averages a 30 yard return, what then if his first return was 96 yards, his second was 79 and the other team punting out of the end zone the third time?
Quote from: Bort on October 05, 2010, 02:52:53 PM
You cannot EXAGGERATE "literally." The most unique thing about the word literal is that when you misuse it, you are using it exactly wrong.
It would be ok if Thrill didn't steal Eli's password to bust pedantnuts over the usage of a word when the meaning of what was supposed to be conveyed was clearly understood.
Quote from: Brownie on October 05, 2010, 02:53:24 PM
But if he averages a 30 yard return, what then if his first return was 96 yards, his second was 79 and the other team punting out of the end zone the third time?
Then he happened to average 87.5 yards/return. Good on him
What if they kick the next one out of bounds? What then?
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:55:32 PM
Quote from: Bort on October 05, 2010, 02:52:53 PM
You cannot EXAGGERATE "literally." The most unique thing about the word literal is that when you misuse it, you are using it exactly wrong.
It would be ok if Thrill didn't steal Eli's password to bust pedantnuts over the usage of a word when the meaning of what was supposed to be conveyed was clearly understood.
Quote from: Brownie on October 05, 2010, 02:53:24 PM
But if he averages a 30 yard return, what then if his first return was 96 yards, his second was 79 and the other team punting out of the end zone the third time?
Then he happened to average 87.5 yards/return. Good on him
I just like watching the bouncing from Katy Perry everytime you post.
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:55:32 PM
Quote from: Bort on October 05, 2010, 02:52:53 PM
You cannot EXAGGERATE "literally." The most unique thing about the word literal is that when you misuse it, you are using it exactly wrong.
It would be ok if Thrill didn't steal Eli's password to bust pedantnuts over the usage of a word when the meaning of what was supposed to be conveyed was clearly understood.
If the meaning was clear to everyone, no one would have to call you on it.
I guess we'll always have opening day 2006 at Green Bay in which Mark Anderson was in full-beast mode on Favre's face, the Bears returned a kick for a TD and Yeti was nowhere to be found.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 05, 2010, 02:59:28 PM
I guess we'll always have opening day 2006 at Green Bay in which Mark Anderson was in full-beast mode on Favre's face, the Bears returned a kick for a TD and Yeti was literally nowhere to be found.
Quote from: Bort on October 05, 2010, 02:58:30 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:55:32 PM
Quote from: Bort on October 05, 2010, 02:52:53 PM
You cannot EXAGGERATE "literally." The most unique thing about the word literal is that when you misuse it, you are using it exactly wrong.
It would be ok if Thrill didn't steal Eli's password to bust pedantnuts over the usage of a word when the meaning of what was supposed to be conveyed was clearly understood.
If the meaning was clear to everyone, no one would have to call you on it.
So the talent disparity in the lower ranks of sports is literally not known?
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 03:01:19 PM
Quote from: Bort on October 05, 2010, 02:58:30 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:55:32 PM
Quote from: Bort on October 05, 2010, 02:52:53 PM
You cannot EXAGGERATE "literally." The most unique thing about the word literal is that when you misuse it, you are using it exactly wrong.
It would be ok if Thrill didn't steal Eli's password to bust pedantnuts over the usage of a word when the meaning of what was supposed to be conveyed was clearly understood.
If the meaning was clear to everyone, no one would have to call you on it.
So the talent disparity in the lower ranks of sports is literally not known?
Who knew what you meant in your hilljack dialect?
Quote from: Brownie on October 05, 2010, 03:01:01 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 05, 2010, 02:59:28 PM
I guess we'll always have opening day 2006 at Green Bay in which Mark Anderson was in full-beast mode on Favre's face, the Bears returned a kick for a TD and Yeti was literally nowhere to be found.
In the abstract.
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 03:01:19 PM
Quote from: Bort on October 05, 2010, 02:58:30 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:55:32 PM
Quote from: Bort on October 05, 2010, 02:52:53 PM
You cannot EXAGGERATE "literally." The most unique thing about the word literal is that when you misuse it, you are using it exactly wrong.
It would be ok if Thrill didn't steal Eli's password to bust pedantnuts over the usage of a word when the meaning of what was supposed to be conveyed was clearly understood.
If the meaning was clear to everyone, no one would have to call you on it.
So the talent disparity in the lower ranks of sports is literally not known?
No.
Bort literally does not know of the talent disparity in the lower ranks of sports would be more precise. "Is not known" is passive. Prefer the active voice.
Quote from: Bort on October 05, 2010, 03:02:51 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 03:01:19 PM
Quote from: Bort on October 05, 2010, 02:58:30 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:55:32 PM
Quote from: Bort on October 05, 2010, 02:52:53 PM
You cannot EXAGGERATE "literally." The most unique thing about the word literal is that when you misuse it, you are using it exactly wrong.
It would be ok if Thrill didn't steal Eli's password to bust pedantnuts over the usage of a word when the meaning of what was supposed to be conveyed was clearly understood.
If the meaning was clear to everyone, no one would have to call you on it.
So the talent disparity in the lower ranks of sports is literally not known?
Who knew what you meant in your hilljack dialect?
Why don't you make like a trash squirrel and jump in a tub of grits, city boy.
Quote from: Brownie on October 05, 2010, 03:03:57 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 03:01:19 PM
Quote from: Bort on October 05, 2010, 02:58:30 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:55:32 PM
Quote from: Bort on October 05, 2010, 02:52:53 PM
You cannot EXAGGERATE "literally." The most unique thing about the word literal is that when you misuse it, you are using it exactly wrong.
It would be ok if Thrill didn't steal Eli's password to bust pedantnuts over the usage of a word when the meaning of what was supposed to be conveyed was clearly understood.
If the meaning was clear to everyone, no one would have to call you on it.
So the talent disparity in the lower ranks of sports is literally not known?
No.
Bort literally does not know of the talent disparity in the lower ranks of sports would be more precise. "Is not known" is passive. Prefer the active voice.
All right, who let William Strunk, Jr., steal TJ's password to bust pedantnuts over the usage of a sentence of what understood meaning then which it was be to clearly conveyed supposed?
Quote from: Eli on October 05, 2010, 03:10:58 PM
Quote from: Brownie on October 05, 2010, 03:03:57 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 03:01:19 PM
Quote from: Bort on October 05, 2010, 02:58:30 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:55:32 PM
Quote from: Bort on October 05, 2010, 02:52:53 PM
You cannot EXAGGERATE "literally." The most unique thing about the word literal is that when you misuse it, you are using it exactly wrong.
It would be ok if Thrill didn't steal Eli's password to bust pedantnuts over the usage of a word when the meaning of what was supposed to be conveyed was clearly understood.
If the meaning was clear to everyone, no one would have to call you on it.
So the talent disparity in the lower ranks of sports is literally not known?
No.
Bort literally does not know of the talent disparity in the lower ranks of sports would be more precise. "Is not known" is passive. Prefer the active voice.
All right, who let William Strunk, Jr., steal TJ's password to bust pedantnuts over the usage of a sentence of what understood meaning then which it was be to clearly conveyed supposed?
Eli, such pedantfhaggotry is an outrage up with which I shall not put!
Quote from: Brownie on October 05, 2010, 03:03:57 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 03:01:19 PM
Quote from: Bort on October 05, 2010, 02:58:30 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2010, 02:55:32 PM
Quote from: Bort on October 05, 2010, 02:52:53 PM
You cannot EXAGGERATE "literally." The most unique thing about the word literal is that when you misuse it, you are using it exactly wrong.
It would be ok if Thrill didn't steal Eli's password to bust pedantnuts over the usage of a word when the meaning of what was supposed to be conveyed was clearly understood.
If the meaning was clear to everyone, no one would have to call you on it.
So the talent disparity in the lower ranks of sports is literally not known?
No.
Bort literally does not know of the talent disparity in the lower ranks of sports would be more precise. "Is not known" is passive. Prefer the active voice.
You are literally the lowest form of life on the internet
So we're all agreed that I'm right about Cutler, right? Is that what I'm supposed to take from the last 7 pages?
Quote from: SKO on October 05, 2010, 03:53:17 PM
So we're all agreed that I'm right about Cutler, right? Is that what I'm supposed to take from the last 7 pages?
Katy Perry's tits.
Quote from: SKO on October 05, 2010, 03:53:17 PM
So we're all agreed that I'm right about Cutler, right? Is that what I'm supposed to take from the last 7 pages?
Add in some quiet yet sullen head-shaking over the white-hot sense of promise that was Mark Anderson's rookie season.
Quote from: SKO on October 05, 2010, 03:53:17 PM
So we're all agreed that I'm right about Cutler, right? Is that what I'm supposed to take from the last 7 pages?
Cutler is a golden god
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 05, 2010, 03:56:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 05, 2010, 03:53:17 PM
So we're all agreed that I'm right about Cutler, right? Is that what I'm supposed to take from the last 7 pages?
Add in some quiet yet sullen head-shaking over the white-hot sense of promise that was Mark Anderson's rookie season.
Bah. I thought it was a mirage then. I mean, I didn't think he'd turn out to be the completely useless fucking pile of suck, but he fell off after they lost Tommie in 2006 and any run of the mill pure pass rusher could have gotten those sacks with the defense double teaming Harris and Ogunleye.
Quote from: SKO on October 05, 2010, 03:59:24 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 05, 2010, 03:56:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 05, 2010, 03:53:17 PM
So we're all agreed that I'm right about Cutler, right? Is that what I'm supposed to take from the last 7 pages?
Add in some quiet yet sullen head-shaking over the white-hot sense of promise that was Mark Anderson's rookie season.
Bah. I thought it was a mirage then. I mean, I didn't think he'd turn out to be the completely useless fucking pile of suck, but he fell off after they lost Tommie in 2006 and any run of the mill pure pass rusher could have gotten those sacks with the defense double teaming Harris and Ogunleye.
This is you trying to
ease the hurt?
[whimpers quietly]
Now that the Bears have drug cheats bookending their defensive line, does it really matter if they win the Super Bowl? I mean that shit's gonna come with an asterisk on it anyway amirite? We won't know for sure until Bob Costas weighs in on Sunday night but I think we're hosed.
QuoteGrant is also one of the active players in the league involved in the StarCaps case. He potentially faces a four-game suspension for violating the NFL's steroids policy when the case is completed.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-1006-bears-chicago--20101005,0,2640795.story
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 06, 2010, 07:42:13 AM
Now that the Bears have drug cheats bookending their defensive line, does it really matter if they win the Super Bowl? I mean that shit's gonna come with an asterisk on it anyway amirite? We won't know for sure until Bob Costas weighs in on Sunday night but I think we're hosed.
QuoteGrant is also one of the active players in the league involved in the StarCaps case. He potentially faces a four-game suspension for violating the NFL's steroids policy when the case is completed.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-1006-bears-chicago--20101005,0,2640795.story
Fuckin' Costas. If this team somehow went 15-1 he'll still be pontificating about the injustice of the Calvin Johnson call.
Quote from: SKO on October 06, 2010, 07:47:25 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 06, 2010, 07:42:13 AM
Now that the Bears have drug cheats bookending their defensive line, does it really matter if they win the Super Bowl? I mean that shit's gonna come with an asterisk on it anyway amirite? We won't know for sure until Bob Costas weighs in on Sunday night but I think we're hosed.
QuoteGrant is also one of the active players in the league involved in the StarCaps case. He potentially faces a four-game suspension for violating the NFL's steroids policy when the case is completed.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-1006-bears-chicago--20101005,0,2640795.story
Fuckin' Costas. If this team somehow went 15-1 he'll still be pontificating about the injustice of the Calvin Johnson call.
He's a pompous, self-fallating, unfunny little shit. He ruins sports.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/2776470,CST-SPT-rick06.article Jesus, Rick Telander. Blaming the diabetus? What a trainwreck of an article.
Also, it's been fixed now, but in the original article he apparently had the wrong type of diabetes written down. The comments ripping him are hilarious.
Quote from: SKO on October 06, 2010, 08:38:13 AM
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/2776470,CST-SPT-rick06.article Jesus, Rick Telander. Blaming the diabetus? What a trainwreck of an article.
Also, it's been fixed now, but in the original article he apparently had the wrong type of diabetes written down. The comments ripping him are hilarious.
To be fair to Rick, Jay probably
would be more capable of escaping pressure in the pocket if he hadn't had his foot amputated.
Corey Wooten, 4th-round pick at defensive end out of Northwestern is listed third on the depth chart on one side behind Idonije and Charles Grant. I'm going to sit here and daydream about him being good at football for a second.
Ok.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 06, 2010, 09:06:27 AM
Corey Wooten, 4th-round pick at defensive end out of Northwestern is listed third on the depth chart on one side behind Idonije and Charles Grant. I'm going to sit here and daydream about him being good at football for a second.
Ok.
It's Wootton, dickworm, and he's the guy who knocked Stanzi out last year. Therefore he will be an All-Pro. In the abstract.
Quote from: Night Man on October 06, 2010, 08:06:03 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 06, 2010, 09:06:27 AM
Corey Wooten, 4th-round pick at defensive end out of Northwestern is listed third on the depth chart on one side behind Idonije and Charles Grant. I'm going to sit here and daydream about him being good at football for a second.
Ok.
It's Wootton, dickworm, and he's the guy who knocked Stanzi out last year. Therefore he will be an All-Pro. In the abstract.
Good.
Anybody have a loaded gun I can borrow (http://twitter.com/#!/BradBiggs/statuses/26664394232)?
QuoteTodd Collins will start at QB for #Bears Sunday
Quote from: R-V on October 07, 2010, 11:43:26 AM
Anybody have a loaded gun I can borrow (http://twitter.com/#!/BradBiggs/statuses/26664394232)?
QuoteTodd Collins will start at QB for #Bears Sunday
Another name to add to a storied list of Bears' QB starters.
For the record, I watched Haney play against Cal. Cal won, because it had a better team, but Haney was the best QB on the field and very scary for the Cal fans.
Quote from: CBStew on October 07, 2010, 11:53:33 AM
For the record, I watched Haney play against Cal. Cal won, because it had a better team, but Haney was the best QB on the field and very scary for the Cal fans.
RIGHT THAT WRONG, LOVIE!!!
RotanaWorld (via Biggs) reporting (http://twitter.com/BradBiggs/status/26664394232) Cutler will not play this week, Collins to start.
Quote from: PenPho on October 07, 2010, 12:16:04 PM
RotanaWorld (via Biggs) reporting (http://twitter.com/BradBiggs/status/26664394232) Cutler will not play this week, Collins to start.
Let me see if I can find a free range FACE farm for you.
http://www.csurams.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/090807aaa.html
Quote from: R-V on October 07, 2010, 12:16:51 PM
Quote from: PenPho on October 07, 2010, 12:16:04 PM
RotanaWorld (via Biggs) reporting (http://twitter.com/BradBiggs/status/26664394232) Cutler will not play this week, Collins to start.
Let me see if I can find a free range FACE farm for you.
I'm enjoying the hell out of PenPho getting beaten to death on the internet.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 07, 2010, 12:38:56 PM
Quote from: R-V on October 07, 2010, 12:16:51 PM
Quote from: PenPho on October 07, 2010, 12:16:04 PM
RotanaWorld (via Biggs) reporting (http://twitter.com/BradBiggs/status/26664394232) Cutler will not play this week, Collins to start.
Let me see if I can find a free range FACE farm for you.
I'm enjoying the hell out of PenPho getting beaten to death on the internet.
That's merely a flesh wound.
Quote from: CBStew on October 07, 2010, 11:53:33 AM
For the record, I watched Haney play against Cal. Cal won, because it had a better team, but Haney was the best QB on the field and very scary for the Cal fans.
That's fine and all. But how did Hanie look? Did he get to play at all? It would be so Bears to draft the shittier of the two Colorado State QBs.
Not to sound like the inbred meatball that I'm about to sound like, but part of me would rather see Hanie. I know that O-line was a sieve on Sunday, but still--Collins did nothing to make me forget Jonathan Quinn. I think at this point in his worthless existence he sucks more moose taint than Henry Burris.
Quote from: PANK! on October 07, 2010, 12:58:57 PM
Not to sound like the inbred meatball that I'm about to sound like, but part of me would rather see Hanie. I know that O-line was a sieve on Sunday, but still--Collins did nothing to make me forget Jonathan Quinn. I think at this point in his worthless existence he sucks more moose taint than Henry Burris.
You should call that in to the Score.
Quote from: PANK! on October 07, 2010, 12:58:57 PM
Not to sound like the inbred meatball that I'm about to sound like, but part of me would rather see Hanie. I know that O-line was a sieve on Sunday, but still--Collins did nothing to make me forget Jonathan Quinn. I think at this point in his worthless existence he sucks more moose taint than Henry Burris.
Now you've done it.
Que SKO ranting about Burris' CFL-stats in 3....2....
Quote from: PANK! on October 07, 2010, 12:58:57 PM
Not to sound like the inbred meatball that I'm about to sound like, but part of me would rather see Hanie. I know that O-line was a sieve on Sunday, but still--Collins did nothing to make me forget Jonathan Quinn. I think at this point in his worthless existence he sucks more moose taint than Henry Burris.
I agree with you on one level, but I really feel like if the line is going to get a guy killed Sunday, it might as well be Collins. Then they can bring in Hanie and let him hand off 15 times and call it a day.
You all know what's going to happen, right?
1) Collins will have a decent passing day, like 19-33 250 yards, 2 TD 1 INT and the Bears will beat Carolina.
2) Cutler will be held out of the Seattke game as a precautionary measure, and Collins will have a similar game against another shitty team.
3) Cutler will play the Redskins and have a "terrible game," like 21-39, 240 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT, and all the meatballs will be calling for him to be benched as the Bears lose.
4) Bye week will be spent debating who should start: Collins or Cutler....
5) Rick Morrissey and David Huh will write compelling pro-Collins pieces.
6) On Halloween, Ditka will take some hacks at Cutler during the most unwatchable NFL show ever. "I useta have a golden-boy QB who was always hurt so I hadta play Rusty Licks, Greg Landries, Steve Fullers and Doug Flutie and Mike Tomachack. Those guys were gamers, guys I wanted to have." The press will report this.
7) Lovie will repeat "Jay is our quarterback" in the week leading up to the Buffalo game in Canada.
8) With Kurt Evans and his photoshops in the vicinity, Jay will be thoroughly confused and bluff his way through the Bills game. The Bears still win, but Cutler looks terrible.
9) Collins is named the starter for the home game vs. Minnesota. He starts for the rest of the season as the 6-2 Bears enter a stretch in which they play Minnesota, at Miami, Philly, at Detroit, New England, at Minnesota, New York Jets, and at Green Bay. Bears beat Detroit and finish 7-9.
10) Cutler demands a trade and winds up in Tennessee for a 3rd round draft pick.
11) Derek Anderson is the starting QB in 2011.
Quote from: Brownie on October 07, 2010, 01:23:37 PM
You all know what's going to happen, right?
1) Collins will have a decent passing day, like 19-33 250 yards, 2 TD 1 INT and the Bears will beat Carolina.
2) Cutler will be held out of the Seattke game as a precautionary measure, and Collins will have a similar game against another shitty team.
3) Cutler will play the Redskins and have a "terrible game," like 21-39, 240 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT, and all the meatballs will be calling for him to be benched as the Bears lose.
4) Bye week will be spent debating who should start: Collins or Cutler....
5) Rick Morrissey and David Huh will write compelling pro-Collins pieces.
6) On Halloween, Ditka will take some hacks at Cutler during the most unwatchable NFL show ever. "I useta have a golden-boy QB who was always hurt so I hadta play Rusty Licks, Greg Landries, Steve Fullers and Doug Flutie and Mike Tomachack. Those guys were gamers, guys I wanted to have." The press will report this.
7) Lovie will repeat "Jay is our quarterback" in the week leading up to the Buffalo game in Canada.
8) With Kurt Evans and his photoshops in the vicinity, Jay will be thoroughly confused and bluff his way through the Bills game. The Bears still win, but Cutler looks terrible.
9) Collins is named the starter for the home game vs. Minnesota. He starts for the rest of the season as the 6-2 Bears enter a stretch in which they play Minnesota, at Miami, Philly, at Detroit, New England, at Minnesota, New York Jets, and at Green Bay. Bears beat Detroit and finish 7-9.
10) Cutler demands a trade and winds up in Tennessee for a 3rd round draft pick.
11) Derek Anderson is the starting QB in 2011.
I know your tongue is firnly planted in your cheek, Teej, but how can you be so jaded with the Bears and yet so idealistic with the Cubs when you lay out these hypotheticals?
Quote from: Brownie on October 07, 2010, 01:23:37 PM
You all know what's going to happen, right?
1) Collins will have a decent passing day, like 19-33 250 yards, 2 TD 1 INT and the Bears will beat Carolina.
Nosir'd.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 07, 2010, 01:38:06 PM
Quote from: Brownie on October 07, 2010, 01:23:37 PM
You all know what's going to happen, right?
1) Collins will have a decent passing day, like 19-33 250 yards, 2 TD 1 INT and the Bears will beat Carolina.
Nosir'd.
Oh really? (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/gametracker/recap/NFL_20041205_MIN@CHI)
Seriously, haven't you seen a shit quarterback have a good game before? (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/csac-bt-991219bearslionsgamer,0,939741.story)
Not even the shit QB in question? (http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=271206028)
Quote from: Brownie on October 07, 2010, 01:50:26 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 07, 2010, 01:38:06 PM
Quote from: Brownie on October 07, 2010, 01:23:37 PM
You all know what's going to happen, right?
1) Collins will have a decent passing day, like 19-33 250 yards, 2 TD 1 INT and the Bears will beat Carolina.
Nosir'd.
Oh really? (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/gametracker/recap/NFL_20041205_MIN@CHI)
Seriously, haven't you seen a shit quarterback have a good game before? (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/csac-bt-991219bearslionsgamer,0,939741.story)
Not even the shit QB in question? (http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=271206028)
I see your three freak occurances and raise you elventy bajillion games where shitty Bears QBs have gotten pwned and made me want to stab myself in the face with an ice pick dipped in buttCANCER.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 07, 2010, 01:55:12 PM
Quote from: Brownie on October 07, 2010, 01:50:26 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 07, 2010, 01:38:06 PM
Quote from: Brownie on October 07, 2010, 01:23:37 PM
You all know what's going to happen, right?
1) Collins will have a decent passing day, like 19-33 250 yards, 2 TD 1 INT and the Bears will beat Carolina.
Nosir'd.
Oh really? (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/gametracker/recap/NFL_20041205_MIN@CHI)
Seriously, haven't you seen a shit quarterback have a good game before? (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/csac-bt-991219bearslionsgamer,0,939741.story)
Not even the shit QB in question? (http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=271206028)
I see your three freak occurances and raise you elventy bajillion games where shitty Bears QBs have gotten pwned and made me want to stab myself in the face with an ice pick dipped in buttCANCER.
With Collins sucking last week, it infinitely raises the likelihood that he'll be awesome next week
F*&k.
HEY, THE BEARS RIGHTED THAT WRONG!
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