God damn I love this team. After treading water at .500 for both July and August AND losing Justin Morneau, the Twins have gone 16-9 in September (11-2 since Morneau went down). They just knocked off the Tigers in 10 innings to pull within 1 game of the AL Central lead. Plus, they give the White Sox fits. I might actually watch their postseason.
Yeah, but has Visanthe whipped it out yet?
Kermit, I will join you in naming the Twins the Official Life Raft of the 2009 Season.
I could care less about baseball anymore, particularly the AL, and I know that you're a Twins fan, BK...but considering what's going on in Detroit and the way the Tigers have been towards the community this year (there was an excellent article in SI last week) (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1160513/index.htm), I gotta say that I'm definitely rooting for the Tigers here.
So suck it, Minnesota.
Pen hates the Twins?
I am double super rooting for them now.
Quote from: Jon on September 29, 2009, 02:51:50 PM
Pen hates the Twins?
I am double super rooting for them now.
Would you read the article if I told you it had photos of Liza Minelli in it?
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Quote from: Jon on September 29, 2009, 02:51:50 PM
Pen hates the Twins?
I am double super rooting for them now.
Would you read the article if I told you it had photos of Liza Minelli in it?
Do I look like a common Morph?
Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2009, 02:50:36 PM
I could care less about baseball anymore, particularly the AL, and I know that you're a Twins fan, BK...but considering what's going on in Detroit and the way the Tigers have been towards the community this year (there was an excellent article in SI last week) (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1160513/index.htm), I gotta say that I'm definitely rooting for the Tigers here.
So suck it, Minnesota.
Good point. The Twins are such dicks for doing charity in their own city, which isn't a big shithole like Detroit.
Isn't Verlander pitching against some unknown schlub tonight?
/bonerpunch
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 29, 2009, 02:55:39 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2009, 02:50:36 PM
I could care less about baseball anymore, particularly the AL, and I know that you're a Twins fan, BK...but considering what's going on in Detroit and the way the Tigers have been towards the community this year (there was an excellent article in SI last week) (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1160513/index.htm), I gotta say that I'm definitely rooting for the Tigers here.
So suck it, Minnesota.
Good point. The Twins are such dicks for doing charity in their own city, which isn't a big shithole like Detroit.
I'm glad to see you've continued your Ripken-esque streak of missing the point.
Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2009, 02:58:39 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 29, 2009, 02:55:39 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2009, 02:50:36 PM
I could care less about baseball anymore, particularly the AL, and I know that you're a Twins fan, BK...but considering what's going on in Detroit and the way the Tigers have been towards the community this year (there was an excellent article in SI last week) (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1160513/index.htm), I gotta say that I'm definitely rooting for the Tigers here.
So suck it, Minnesota.
Good point. The Twins are such dicks for doing charity in their own city, which isn't a big shithole like Detroit.
I'm glad to see you've continued your Ripken-esque streak of missing the point.
Pen's grabbing an American flag and driving his foreign car up to cheer on his TIGERZ!!
For the record I like both teams, but I generally pull more for Detroit. I hold that monstrosity of a "ballpark" against the Twins, even though it's not their fault.
(http://logo.cafepress.com/1/5983694.1712811.JPG)
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Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2009, 02:50:36 PM
I could care less about baseball anymore, particularly the AL, and I know that you're a Twins fan, BK...but considering what's going on in Detroit and the way the Tigers have been towards the community this year (there was an excellent article in SI last week) (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1160513/index.htm), I gotta say that I'm definitely rooting for the Tigers here.
So suck it, Minnesota.
Good point. The Twins are such dicks for doing charity in their own city, which isn't a big shithole like Detroit.
I'm glad to see you've continued your Ripken-esque streak of missing the point.
Oh, what was the point? Was it hidden somewhere in the Shoutbox? I didn't root for the Yankees during the 2001 World Series. I'm sure as shit not rooting for the Tigers this year.
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Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2009, 02:50:36 PM
I could care less about baseball anymore, particularly the AL, and I know that you're a Twins fan, BK...but considering what's going on in Detroit and the way the Tigers have been towards the community this year (there was an excellent article in SI last week) (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1160513/index.htm), I gotta say that I'm definitely rooting for the Tigers here.
So suck it, Minnesota.
Good point. The Twins are such dicks for doing charity in their own city, which isn't a big shithole like Detroit.
I'm glad to see you've continued your Ripken-esque streak of missing the point.
Oh, what was the point?
That he respects the charity work the Tigers have done.
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Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2009, 02:58:39 PM
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Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2009, 02:50:36 PM
I could care less about baseball anymore, particularly the AL, and I know that you're a Twins fan, BK...but considering what's going on in Detroit and the way the Tigers have been towards the community this year (there was an excellent article in SI last week) (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1160513/index.htm), I gotta say that I'm definitely rooting for the Tigers here.
So suck it, Minnesota.
Good point. The Twins are such dicks for doing charity in their own city, which isn't a big shithole like Detroit.
I'm glad to see you've continued your Ripken-esque streak of missing the point.
Oh, what was the point? Was it hidden somewhere in the Shoutbox? I didn't root for the Yankees during the 2001 World Series. I'm sure as shit not rooting for the Tigers this year.
The SBox died sometime around the All-Star break...it just hasn't been officially announced yet.
Quote from: Eli on September 29, 2009, 03:42:15 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 29, 2009, 03:37:13 PM
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Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2009, 02:50:36 PM
I could care less about baseball anymore, particularly the AL, and I know that you're a Twins fan, BK...but considering what's going on in Detroit and the way the Tigers have been towards the community this year (there was an excellent article in SI last week) (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1160513/index.htm), I gotta say that I'm definitely rooting for the Tigers here.
So suck it, Minnesota.
Good point. The Twins are such dicks for doing charity in their own city, which isn't a big shithole like Detroit.
I'm glad to see you've continued your Ripken-esque streak of missing the point.
Oh, what was the point?
That he respects the charity work the Tigers have done.
That's what I thought. I didn't miss it.
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Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 29, 2009, 03:37:13 PM
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Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2009, 02:50:36 PM
I could care less about baseball anymore, particularly the AL, and I know that you're a Twins fan, BK...but considering what's going on in Detroit and the way the Tigers have been towards the community this year (there was an excellent article in SI last week) (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1160513/index.htm), I gotta say that I'm definitely rooting for the Tigers here.
So suck it, Minnesota.
Good point. The Twins are such dicks for doing charity in their own city, which isn't a big shithole like Detroit.
I'm glad to see you've continued your Ripken-esque streak of missing the point.
Oh, what was the point? Was it hidden somewhere in the Shoutbox? I didn't root for the Yankees during the 2001 World Series. I'm sure as shit not rooting for the Tigers this year.
The SBox died sometime around the All-Star break...it just hasn't been officially announced yet.
Oh, good. So I can shut it down, then?
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Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2009, 02:50:36 PM
I could care less about baseball anymore, particularly the AL, and I know that you're a Twins fan, BK...but considering what's going on in Detroit and the way the Tigers have been towards the community this year (there was an excellent article in SI last week) (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1160513/index.htm), I gotta say that I'm definitely rooting for the Tigers here.
So suck it, Minnesota.
Good point. The Twins are such dicks for doing charity in their own city, which isn't a big shithole like Detroit.
I'm glad to see you've continued your Ripken-esque streak of missing the point.
Oh, what was the point? Was it hidden somewhere in the Shoutbox? I didn't root for the Yankees during the 2001 World Series. I'm sure as shit not rooting for the Tigers this year.
The SBox died sometime around the All-Star break...it just hasn't been officially announced yet.
Oh, good. So I can shut it down, then?
As long as you're willing to provide a new home for TDubbs, IAN and Yeti.
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Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2009, 02:50:36 PM
I could care less about baseball anymore, particularly the AL, and I know that you're a Twins fan, BK...but considering what's going on in Detroit and the way the Tigers have been towards the community this year (there was an excellent article in SI last week) (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1160513/index.htm), I gotta say that I'm definitely rooting for the Tigers here.
So suck it, Minnesota.
Good point. The Twins are such dicks for doing charity in their own city, which isn't a big shithole like Detroit.
I'm glad to see you've continued your Ripken-esque streak of missing the point.
Oh, what was the point? Was it hidden somewhere in the Shoutbox? I didn't root for the Yankees during the 2001 World Series. I'm sure as shit not rooting for the Tigers this year.
The SBox died sometime around the All-Star break...it just hasn't been officially announced yet.
Oh, good. So I can shut it down, then?
As long as you're willing to provide a new home for TDubbs, IAN and Yeti.
It's only being kept alive by a steady diet of TDubbs' and Irish Yeti's racism and overcompensating homophobia/fauxmoeroticism.
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Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2009, 02:50:36 PM
I could care less about baseball anymore, particularly the AL, and I know that you're a Twins fan, BK...but considering what's going on in Detroit and the way the Tigers have been towards the community this year (there was an excellent article in SI last week) (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1160513/index.htm), I gotta say that I'm definitely rooting for the Tigers here.
So suck it, Minnesota.
Good point. The Twins are such dicks for doing charity in their own city, which isn't a big shithole like Detroit.
I'm glad to see you've continued your Ripken-esque streak of missing the point.
Oh, what was the point? Was it hidden somewhere in the Shoutbox? I didn't root for the Yankees during the 2001 World Series. I'm sure as shit not rooting for the Tigers this year.
The SBox died sometime around the All-Star break...it just hasn't been officially announced yet.
Oh, good. So I can shut it down, then?
As long as you're willing to provide a new home for TDubbs, IAN and Yeti.
It's only being kept alive by a steady diet of TDubbs' and Irish Yeti's racism and overcompensating homophobia/fauxmoeroticism.
I still make my token two appearances a week, as required by my contract.
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on September 29, 2009, 03:51:07 PM
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Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2009, 02:50:36 PM
I could care less about baseball anymore, particularly the AL, and I know that you're a Twins fan, BK...but considering what's going on in Detroit and the way the Tigers have been towards the community this year (there was an excellent article in SI last week) (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1160513/index.htm), I gotta say that I'm definitely rooting for the Tigers here.
So suck it, Minnesota.
Good point. The Twins are such dicks for doing charity in their own city, which isn't a big shithole like Detroit.
I'm glad to see you've continued your Ripken-esque streak of missing the point.
Oh, what was the point? Was it hidden somewhere in the Shoutbox? I didn't root for the Yankees during the 2001 World Series. I'm sure as shit not rooting for the Tigers this year.
The SBox died sometime around the All-Star break...it just hasn't been officially announced yet.
Oh, good. So I can shut it down, then?
As long as you're willing to provide a new home for TDubbs, IAN and Yeti.
It's only being kept alive by a steady diet of TDubbs' and Irish Yeti's racism and overcompensating homophobia/fauxmoeroticism.
Huey is happy now?
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Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2009, 02:50:36 PM
I could care less about baseball anymore, particularly the AL, and I know that you're a Twins fan, BK...but considering what's going on in Detroit and the way the Tigers have been towards the community this year (there was an excellent article in SI last week) (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1160513/index.htm), I gotta say that I'm definitely rooting for the Tigers here.
So suck it, Minnesota.
Good point. The Twins are such dicks for doing charity in their own city, which isn't a big shithole like Detroit.
I'm glad to see you've continued your Ripken-esque streak of missing the point.
Oh, what was the point?
That he respects the charity work the Tigers have done.
That's what I thought. I didn't miss it.
While Eli is correct, the point was beyond the charity work...it was how Ilitch has upped the payroll even as the economy has declined, how he kept GM's name on the fountain in the outfield even after they couldn't afford to pay for it anymore, how they have more $5 seats, more $5 food, more $5 parking lots...all kinds of things that the Tigers have done for their fans and the city of Detroit this year as it battles with 29% unemployment.
I don't know what the Twins have done, I'm sure they've done charitable work just like everyone else...the point was that the Tigers have a better excuse than anyone to say fuck it, underachieve, alienate the fans...and they've done the exact opposite. It's just a nice story, and it's a good reason to root for them.
Plus, I really like Kid Rock.
I'm not saying you shouldn't root for the Twins by any means, my only point was that, as an outsider, the Tigers have done a real nice job up there (and yes, I know they have the 5th highest payroll in baseball, basically double the Twins).
So suck it, Minnesota.
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Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2009, 02:50:36 PM
I could care less about baseball anymore, particularly the AL, and I know that you're a Twins fan, BK...but considering what's going on in Detroit and the way the Tigers have been towards the community this year (there was an excellent article in SI last week) (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1160513/index.htm), I gotta say that I'm definitely rooting for the Tigers here.
So suck it, Minnesota.
Good point. The Twins are such dicks for doing charity in their own city, which isn't a big shithole like Detroit.
I'm glad to see you've continued your Ripken-esque streak of missing the point.
Oh, what was the point?
That he respects the charity work the Tigers have done.
That's what I thought. I didn't miss it.
While Eli is correct, the point was beyond the charity work...it was how Ilitch has upped the payroll even as the economy has declined, how he kept GM's name on the fountain in the outfield even after they couldn't afford to pay for it anymore, how they have more $5 seats, more $5 food, more $5 parking lots...all kinds of things that the Tigers have done for their fans and the city of Detroit this year as it battles with 29% unemployment.
I don't know what the Twins have done, I'm sure they've done charitable work just like everyone else...the point was that the Tigers have a better excuse than anyone to say fuck it, underachieve, alienate the fans...and they've done the exact opposite. It's just a nice story, and it's a good reason to root for them.
Plus, I really like Kid Rock.
I'm not saying you shouldn't root for the Twins by any means, my only point was that, as an outsider, the Tigers have done a real nice job up there (and yes, I know they have the 5th highest payroll in baseball, basically double the Twins).
So suck it, Minnesota.
The Tigers can do all that because they have a rich owner who's willing to eat the difference.
If the Tigers win, the auto industry will be saved! That's a dumb argument Pen.
SAYNT LEWIS KARDENALZ!
Quote from: BH on September 29, 2009, 04:02:33 PM
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Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2009, 02:50:36 PM
I could care less about baseball anymore, particularly the AL, and I know that you're a Twins fan, BK...but considering what's going on in Detroit and the way the Tigers have been towards the community this year (there was an excellent article in SI last week) (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1160513/index.htm), I gotta say that I'm definitely rooting for the Tigers here.
So suck it, Minnesota.
Good point. The Twins are such dicks for doing charity in their own city, which isn't a big shithole like Detroit.
I'm glad to see you've continued your Ripken-esque streak of missing the point.
Oh, what was the point?
That he respects the charity work the Tigers have done.
That's what I thought. I didn't miss it.
While Eli is correct, the point was beyond the charity work...it was how Ilitch has upped the payroll even as the economy has declined, how he kept GM's name on the fountain in the outfield even after they couldn't afford to pay for it anymore, how they have more $5 seats, more $5 food, more $5 parking lots...all kinds of things that the Tigers have done for their fans and the city of Detroit this year as it battles with 29% unemployment.
I don't know what the Twins have done, I'm sure they've done charitable work just like everyone else...the point was that the Tigers have a better excuse than anyone to say fuck it, underachieve, alienate the fans...and they've done the exact opposite. It's just a nice story, and it's a good reason to root for them.
Plus, I really like Kid Rock.
I'm not saying you shouldn't root for the Twins by any means, my only point was that, as an outsider, the Tigers have done a real nice job up there (and yes, I know they have the 5th highest payroll in baseball, basically double the Twins).
So suck it, Minnesota.
The Tigers can do all that because they have a rich owner who's willing to eat the difference.
If the Tigers win, the auto industry will be saved! That's a dumb argument Pen.
The Tigers have a richer owner than the Twins?
I'm rooting for the Yankees. I might watch a game or two if they play the Rockies in the World Series. That would be an interesting matchup between two interesting rosters/ballparks. Everything else about this pending postseason makes me cry.
I admire the passion put forth in this hypothetical argument, considering that once again, there will be no playoffs this year.
Plenty of room on the Royals bandwagon.
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Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2009, 02:50:36 PM
I could care less about baseball anymore, particularly the AL, and I know that you're a Twins fan, BK...but considering what's going on in Detroit and the way the Tigers have been towards the community this year (there was an excellent article in SI last week) (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1160513/index.htm), I gotta say that I'm definitely rooting for the Tigers here.
So suck it, Minnesota.
Good point. The Twins are such dicks for doing charity in their own city, which isn't a big shithole like Detroit.
I'm glad to see you've continued your Ripken-esque streak of missing the point.
Oh, what was the point?
That he respects the charity work the Tigers have done.
That's what I thought. I didn't miss it.
While Eli is correct, the point was beyond the charity work...it was how Ilitch has upped the payroll even as the economy has declined, how he kept GM's name on the fountain in the outfield even after they couldn't afford to pay for it anymore, how they have more $5 seats, more $5 food, more $5 parking lots...all kinds of things that the Tigers have done for their fans and the city of Detroit this year as it battles with 29% unemployment.
I don't know what the Twins have done, I'm sure they've done charitable work just like everyone else...the point was that the Tigers have a better excuse than anyone to say fuck it, underachieve, alienate the fans...and they've done the exact opposite. It's just a nice story, and it's a good reason to root for them.
Plus, I really like Kid Rock.
I'm not saying you shouldn't root for the Twins by any means, my only point was that, as an outsider, the Tigers have done a real nice job up there (and yes, I know they have the 5th highest payroll in baseball, basically double the Twins).
So suck it, Minnesota.
The Tigers can do all that because they have a rich owner who's willing to eat the difference.
If the Tigers win, the auto industry will be saved! That's a dumb argument Pen.
The Tigers have a richer owner than the Twins?
I'm glad to see you've continued your Ripken-esque streak of missing the point.
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Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2009, 02:50:36 PM
I could care less about baseball anymore, particularly the AL, and I know that you're a Twins fan, BK...but considering what's going on in Detroit and the way the Tigers have been towards the community this year (there was an excellent article in SI last week) (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1160513/index.htm), I gotta say that I'm definitely rooting for the Tigers here.
So suck it, Minnesota.
Good point. The Twins are such dicks for doing charity in their own city, which isn't a big shithole like Detroit.
I'm glad to see you've continued your Ripken-esque streak of missing the point.
Oh, what was the point? Was it hidden somewhere in the Shoutbox? I didn't root for the Yankees during the 2001 World Series. I'm sure as shit not rooting for the Tigers this year.
The SBox died sometime around the All-Star break...it just hasn't been officially announced yet.
Oh, good. So I can shut it down, then?
As long as you're willing to provide a new home for TDubbs, IAN and Yeti.
It's only being kept alive by a steady diet of TDubbs' and Irish Yeti's racism and overcompensating homophobia/fauxmoeroticism.
IAN does need to be added to this. We triangle fuck each other in the ass yelling N*GGER! SPIC! and SANDJEW! with every thrust
I'm rooting for the Cubs. If they run the table, and the Rockies lose the rest of their games...
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Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2009, 02:50:36 PM
I could care less about baseball anymore, particularly the AL, and I know that you're a Twins fan, BK...but considering what's going on in Detroit and the way the Tigers have been towards the community this year (there was an excellent article in SI last week) (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1160513/index.htm), I gotta say that I'm definitely rooting for the Tigers here.
So suck it, Minnesota.
Good point. The Twins are such dicks for doing charity in their own city, which isn't a big shithole like Detroit.
I'm glad to see you've continued your Ripken-esque streak of missing the point.
Oh, what was the point?
That he respects the charity work the Tigers have done.
That's what I thought. I didn't miss it.
the point was that the Tigers have a better excuse than anyone to say fuck it, underachieve, alienate the fans...and they've done the exact opposite.
You lost me here. Why do they have a better excuse to alienate the fans than any other team? Are you talking about the players? Management? Ownership? Other than the owner making an obviously admirable effort to help the community more this season than he usually would, how would hard economic times affect the incentives of players or management? They're still trying to win as much as they would in any other season.
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I could care less about baseball anymore, particularly the AL, and I know that you're a Twins fan, BK...but considering what's going on in Detroit and the way the Tigers have been towards the community this year (there was an excellent article in SI last week) (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1160513/index.htm), I gotta say that I'm definitely rooting for the Tigers here.
So suck it, Minnesota.
Good point. The Twins are such dicks for doing charity in their own city, which isn't a big shithole like Detroit.
I'm glad to see you've continued your Ripken-esque streak of missing the point.
Oh, what was the point?
That he respects the charity work the Tigers have done.
That's what I thought. I didn't miss it.
the point was that the Tigers have a better excuse than anyone to say fuck it, underachieve, alienate the fans...and they've done the exact opposite.
You lost me here. Why do they have a better excuse to alienate the fans than any other team? Are you talking about the players? Management? Ownership? Other than the owner making an obviously admirable effort to help the community more this season than he usually would, how would hard economic times affect the incentives of players or management? They're still trying to win as much as they would in any other season.
He's probably explaining how Mike Vick would be a good fit in New Orleans because he's black and a criminal.
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I could care less about baseball anymore, particularly the AL, and I know that you're a Twins fan, BK...but considering what's going on in Detroit and the way the Tigers have been towards the community this year (there was an excellent article in SI last week) (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1160513/index.htm), I gotta say that I'm definitely rooting for the Tigers here.
So suck it, Minnesota.
Good point. The Twins are such dicks for doing charity in their own city, which isn't a big shithole like Detroit.
I'm glad to see you've continued your Ripken-esque streak of missing the point.
Oh, what was the point?
That he respects the charity work the Tigers have done.
That's what I thought. I didn't miss it.
the point was that the Tigers have a better excuse than anyone to say fuck it, underachieve, alienate the fans...and they've done the exact opposite.
You lost me here. Why do they have a better excuse to alienate the fans than any other team? Are you talking about the players? Management? Ownership? Other than the owner making an obviously admirable effort to help the community more this season than he usually would, how would hard economic times affect the incentives of players or management? They're still trying to win as much as they would in any other season.
Meaning, in light of the surrounding economy, if they decided to shed payroll, become the Royals...it would be "understandable".
Instead, they've gone the other way.
And despite the terrible economy, they have the 4th highest attendance in the AL...
It's a nice story...that's all.
Seriously though...I don't even like the Tigers, I can't believe I've spent this much time on this.
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I could care less about baseball anymore, particularly the AL, and I know that you're a Twins fan, BK...but considering what's going on in Detroit and the way the Tigers have been towards the community this year (there was an excellent article in SI last week) (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1160513/index.htm), I gotta say that I'm definitely rooting for the Tigers here.
So suck it, Minnesota.
Good point. The Twins are such dicks for doing charity in their own city, which isn't a big shithole like Detroit.
I'm glad to see you've continued your Ripken-esque streak of missing the point.
Oh, what was the point?
That he respects the charity work the Tigers have done.
That's what I thought. I didn't miss it.
the point was that the Tigers have a better excuse than anyone to say fuck it, underachieve, alienate the fans...and they've done the exact opposite.
You lost me here. Why do they have a better excuse to alienate the fans than any other team? Are you talking about the players? Management? Ownership? Other than the owner making an obviously admirable effort to help the community more this season than he usually would, how would hard economic times affect the incentives of players or management? They're still trying to win as much as they would in any other season.
Meaning, in light of the surrounding economy, if they decided to shed payroll, become the Royals...it would be "understandable".
Instead, they've gone the other way.
And despite the terrible economy, they have the 4th highest attendance in the AL...
It's a nice story...that's all.
Seriously though...I don't even like the Tigers, I can't believe I've spent this much time on this.
Seriously Kurt, stop talking about it then.
Quote from: PenFoe on September 29, 2009, 04:23:23 PM
And despite the terrible economy, they have the 4th highest attendance in the AL...
Seventy-two percent of the fuckin' city is working. The other twenty-eight percent come out here. Rip them motherfuckers.
Wait, PenFoe likes Kid Rock? That explains a lot.
Quote from: Trinew: The Boiler on September 29, 2009, 04:51:39 PM
Wait, PenFoe likes Kid Rock? That explains a lot.
Pretty sure that was a joke.
Pen listens to Contemporary Country.
That explains a lot.
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Quote from: Trinew: The Boiler on September 29, 2009, 04:51:39 PM
Wait, PenFoe likes Kid Rock? That explains a lot.
Pretty sure that was a joke.
Pen listens to Contemporary Country.
That explains a lot.
He's rooting for Darius Rucker's comeback because of all the good work he's done for the non-working, automotive people in South Carolina.
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Quote from: Trinew: The Boiler on September 29, 2009, 04:51:39 PM
Wait, PenFoe likes Kid Rock? That explains a lot.
Pretty sure that was a joke.
Pen listens to Contemporary Country.
That explains a lot.
Sorry, no. Everything he says is truth. He likes the Tigers and Kid Rock now.
I met Mauer in April and interviewed him. Great guy. Therefore, the Tigers suck.
Since this thread is now about how retarded Pen is, let's change gears.
Check out this call from a recent Mariners game. The pregame prediction by Mike Blowers and then the event occuring.
http://mynorthwest.com/?nid=374&sid=218287
Amazing.
Quote from: Trinew: The Boiler on September 29, 2009, 06:18:02 PM
Since this thread is now about how retarded Pen is, let's change gears.
Check out this call from a recent Mariners game. The pregame prediction by Mike Blowers and then the event occuring.
http://mynorthwest.com/?nid=374&sid=218287
Amazing.
"Swung on and belted"?
Quote from: Trinew: The Boiler on September 29, 2009, 06:18:02 PM
Since this thread is now about how retarded Pen is, let's change gears.
Check out this call from a recent Mariners game. The pregame prediction by Mike Blowers and then the event occuring.
http://mynorthwest.com/?nid=374&sid=218287
Amazing.
They're
all about that.
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I could care less about baseball anymore, particularly the AL, and I know that you're a Twins fan, BK...but considering what's going on in Detroit and the way the Tigers have been towards the community this year (there was an excellent article in SI last week) (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1160513/index.htm), I gotta say that I'm definitely rooting for the Tigers here.
So suck it, Minnesota.
Good point. The Twins are such dicks for doing charity in their own city, which isn't a big shithole like Detroit.
I'm glad to see you've continued your Ripken-esque streak of missing the point.
Oh, what was the point? Was it hidden somewhere in the Shoutbox? I didn't root for the Yankees during the 2001 World Series. I'm sure as shit not rooting for the Tigers this year.
The SBox died sometime around the All-Star break...it just hasn't been officially announced yet.
Oh, good. So I can shut it down, then?
As long as you're willing to provide a new home for TDubbs, IAN and Yeti.
It's only being kept alive by a steady diet of TDubbs' and Irish Yeti's racism and overcompensating homophobia/fauxmoeroticism.
I still make my token two appearances a week, as required by my contract.
Face it, the Shoutbox is dying because my characters and I are on a work-sanctioned hiatus. Without me, you're left with nothing but boring real people. I am the straw that stirs the Shoutbox.
Also, I'm rooting against Detroit because I'm sick of "Can This Sports Team Save Detroit" stories. Michigan State, the Red Wings, now the Tigers. I'm sure it must brighten the occaisional day in Detroit to see their team on top of the standings, but shit, is a championship for any of these teams going to do that much? Detroit's been dying since the late 1970s and in that time championships by the Tigers, Red Wings and Pistons have done nothing to stem the tide, nor keep that city from becoming a punchline. If a collective town could pawn it's championships, Detroit would make like Len Dykstra in a heartbeat.
That said, fuck the Twins too. They'll overtake the Tigers and Joe Morgan can rapsodize about small ball for a bit, and then they can lose in the ALDS to a team with a real payroll like always.
The Twins have given the world Andy MacPhail, Jacque Jones, and AJ Pierzysnki. They can go fuck themselves.
May 4, 1984, the Oakland A's Dave Kingman hit a ball that disappeared through a drainage hole in the Teflon roof. The ball never came down, and Kingman was given a ground-rule double. The next day, the Twins devised a plan in which, before Kingman's first at-bat, a ball would drop from the roof so that Twins first baseman Mickey Hatcher could make the catch. As Kingman stepped into the batter's box, the ball knuckled its way down, bounced and hit Hatcher in the groin, sending him to the turf. "Kingman looked at me and said, 'What's wrong with you?' " says Hatcher, now the LA Angels batting coach.
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I could care less about baseball anymore, particularly the AL, and I know that you're a Twins fan, BK...but considering what's going on in Detroit and the way the Tigers have been towards the community this year (there was an excellent article in SI last week) (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1160513/index.htm), I gotta say that I'm definitely rooting for the Tigers here.
So suck it, Minnesota.
Good point. The Twins are such dicks for doing charity in their own city, which isn't a big shithole like Detroit.
I'm glad to see you've continued your Ripken-esque streak of missing the point.
Oh, what was the point?
That he respects the charity work the Tigers have done.
That's what I thought. I didn't miss it.
While Eli is correct, the point was beyond the charity work...it was how Ilitch has upped the payroll even as the economy has declined, how he kept GM's name on the fountain in the outfield even after they couldn't afford to pay for it anymore, how they have more $5 seats, more $5 food, more $5 parking lots...all kinds of things that the Tigers have done for their fans and the city of Detroit this year as it battles with 29% unemployment.
I don't know what the Twins have done, I'm sure they've done charitable work just like everyone else...the point was that the Tigers have a better excuse than anyone to say fuck it, underachieve, alienate the fans...and they've done the exact opposite. It's just a nice story, and it's a good reason to root for them.
Plus, I really like Kid Rock.
I'm not saying you shouldn't root for the Twins by any means, my only point was that, as an outsider, the Tigers have done a real nice job up there (and yes, I know they have the 5th highest payroll in baseball, basically double the Twins).
So suck it, Minnesota.
Oh, I know. And I totally agree with you. It's awesome what they're doing up there. But, seriously, fuck them.
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May 4, 1984, the Oakland A's Dave Kingman hit a ball that disappeared through a drainage hole in the Teflon roof. The ball never came down, and Kingman was given a ground-rule double. The next day, the Twins devised a plan in which, before Kingman's first at-bat, a ball would drop from the roof so that Twins first baseman Mickey Hatcher could make the catch. As Kingman stepped into the batter's box, the ball knuckled its way down, bounced and hit Hatcher in the groin, sending him to the turf. "Kingman looked at me and said, 'What's wrong with you?' " says Hatcher, now the LA Angels batting coach.
I have no idea what the point of this story is, but why the hell wasn't Hatcher wearing a cup?
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Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2009, 08:38:48 AM
May 4, 1984, the Oakland A's Dave Kingman hit a ball that disappeared through a drainage hole in the Teflon roof. The ball never came down, and Kingman was given a ground-rule double. The next day, the Twins devised a plan in which, before Kingman's first at-bat, a ball would drop from the roof so that Twins first baseman Mickey Hatcher could make the catch. As Kingman stepped into the batter's box, the ball knuckled its way down, bounced and hit Hatcher in the groin, sending him to the turf. "Kingman looked at me and said, 'What's wrong with you?' " says Hatcher, now the LA Angels batting coach.
I have no idea what the point of this story is, but why the hell wasn't Hatcher wearing a cup?
Point of story: Nut shots are always funny.
Re: Hatcher and the cup: Ever been hit in the cup by a baseball travelling at a decent speed? It'll still make you puke, just won't turn your nuts to puree.
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Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2009, 08:38:48 AM
May 4, 1984, the Oakland A's Dave Kingman hit a ball that disappeared through a drainage hole in the Teflon roof. The ball never came down, and Kingman was given a ground-rule double. The next day, the Twins devised a plan in which, before Kingman's first at-bat, a ball would drop from the roof so that Twins first baseman Mickey Hatcher could make the catch. As Kingman stepped into the batter's box, the ball knuckled its way down, bounced and hit Hatcher in the groin, sending him to the turf. "Kingman looked at me and said, 'What's wrong with you?' " says Hatcher, now the LA Angels batting coach.
I have no idea what the point of this story is, but why the hell wasn't Hatcher wearing a cup?
Point of story: Nut shots are always funny.
Re: Hatcher and the cup: Ever been hit in the cup by a baseball travelling at a decent speed? It'll still make you puke, just won't turn your nuts to puree.
Especially on a fromunda shot like that.
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It's awesome what they're doing up there. But, seriously, fuck them.
If any two sentences sum up my views on almost everything in life....
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Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2009, 08:38:48 AM
May 4, 1984, the Oakland A's Dave Kingman hit a ball that disappeared through a drainage hole in the Teflon roof. The ball never came down, and Kingman was given a ground-rule double. The next day, the Twins devised a plan in which, before Kingman's first at-bat, a ball would drop from the roof so that Twins first baseman Mickey Hatcher could make the catch. As Kingman stepped into the batter's box, the ball knuckled its way down, bounced and hit Hatcher in the groin, sending him to the turf. "Kingman looked at me and said, 'What's wrong with you?' " says Hatcher, now the LA Angels batting coach.
I have no idea what the point of this story is, but why the hell wasn't Hatcher wearing a cup?
I like stories.
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Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 30, 2009, 08:59:28 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2009, 08:38:48 AM
May 4, 1984, the Oakland A's Dave Kingman hit a ball that disappeared through a drainage hole in the Teflon roof. The ball never came down, and Kingman was given a ground-rule double. The next day, the Twins devised a plan in which, before Kingman's first at-bat, a ball would drop from the roof so that Twins first baseman Mickey Hatcher could make the catch. As Kingman stepped into the batter's box, the ball knuckled its way down, bounced and hit Hatcher in the groin, sending him to the turf. "Kingman looked at me and said, 'What's wrong with you?' " says Hatcher, now the LA Angels batting coach.
I have no idea what the point of this story is, but why the hell wasn't Hatcher wearing a cup?
Point of story: Nut shots are always funny.
Re: Hatcher and the cup: Ever been hit in the cup by a baseball travelling at a decent speed? It'll still make you puke, just won't turn your nuts to puree.
No, whenever I see a ball traveling at a decent speed toward my testicles, I use a different part of my body to stop it.
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Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2009, 08:38:48 AM
May 4, 1984, the Oakland A's Dave Kingman hit a ball that disappeared through a drainage hole in the Teflon roof. The ball never came down, and Kingman was given a ground-rule double. The next day, the Twins devised a plan in which, before Kingman's first at-bat, a ball would drop from the roof so that Twins first baseman Mickey Hatcher could make the catch. As Kingman stepped into the batter's box, the ball knuckled its way down, bounced and hit Hatcher in the groin, sending him to the turf. "Kingman looked at me and said, 'What's wrong with you?' " says Hatcher, now the LA Angels batting coach.
I have no idea what the point of this story is, but why the hell wasn't Hatcher wearing a cup?
Point of story: Nut shots are always funny.
Re: Hatcher and the cup: Ever been hit in the cup by a baseball travelling at a decent speed? It'll still make you puke, just won't turn your nuts to puree.
No, whenever I see a ball traveling at a decent speed toward my testicles, I use a different part of my body to stop it.
Your wiener?
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Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2009, 08:38:48 AM
May 4, 1984, the Oakland A's Dave Kingman hit a ball that disappeared through a drainage hole in the Teflon roof. The ball never came down, and Kingman was given a ground-rule double. The next day, the Twins devised a plan in which, before Kingman's first at-bat, a ball would drop from the roof so that Twins first baseman Mickey Hatcher could make the catch. As Kingman stepped into the batter's box, the ball knuckled its way down, bounced and hit Hatcher in the groin, sending him to the turf. "Kingman looked at me and said, 'What's wrong with you?' " says Hatcher, now the LA Angels batting coach.
I have no idea what the point of this story is, but why the hell wasn't Hatcher wearing a cup?
Point of story: Nut shots are always funny.
Re: Hatcher and the cup: Ever been hit in the cup by a baseball travelling at a decent speed? It'll still make you puke, just won't turn your nuts to puree.
No, whenever I see a ball traveling at a decent speed toward my testicles, I use a different part of my body to stop it.
As a catcher/first baseman for a lot of my baseball life, I can say it's not always possible.
When you're a shitty fielder like Mickey Hatcher, even less so.
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Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2009, 08:38:48 AM
May 4, 1984, the Oakland A's Dave Kingman hit a ball that disappeared through a drainage hole in the Teflon roof. The ball never came down, and Kingman was given a ground-rule double. The next day, the Twins devised a plan in which, before Kingman's first at-bat, a ball would drop from the roof so that Twins first baseman Mickey Hatcher could make the catch. As Kingman stepped into the batter's box, the ball knuckled its way down, bounced and hit Hatcher in the groin, sending him to the turf. "Kingman looked at me and said, 'What's wrong with you?' " says Hatcher, now the LA Angels batting coach.
I have no idea what the point of this story is, but why the hell wasn't Hatcher wearing a cup?
Point of story: Nut shots are always funny.
Re: Hatcher and the cup: Ever been hit in the cup by a baseball travelling at a decent speed? It'll still make you puke, just won't turn your nuts to puree.
No, whenever I see a ball traveling at a decent speed toward my testicles, I use a different part of my body to stop it.
As a catcher/first baseman for a lot of my baseball life, I can say it's not always possible.
When you're a shitty fielder like Mickey Hatcher, even less so.
Being a catcher/firstbaseman for most of my baseball life, I have to agree with Fork.
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Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2009, 08:38:48 AM
May 4, 1984, the Oakland A's Dave Kingman hit a ball that disappeared through a drainage hole in the Teflon roof. The ball never came down, and Kingman was given a ground-rule double. The next day, the Twins devised a plan in which, before Kingman's first at-bat, a ball would drop from the roof so that Twins first baseman Mickey Hatcher could make the catch. As Kingman stepped into the batter's box, the ball knuckled its way down, bounced and hit Hatcher in the groin, sending him to the turf. "Kingman looked at me and said, 'What's wrong with you?' " says Hatcher, now the LA Angels batting coach.
I have no idea what the point of this story is, but why the hell wasn't Hatcher wearing a cup?
Point of story: Nut shots are always funny.
Re: Hatcher and the cup: Ever been hit in the cup by a baseball travelling at a decent speed? It'll still make you puke, just won't turn your nuts to puree.
No, whenever I see a ball traveling at a decent speed toward my testicles, I use a different part of my body to stop it.
As a catcher/first baseman for a lot of my baseball life, I can say it's not always possible.
When you're a shitty fielder like Mickey Hatcher, even less so.
Did the coach mind that you wore pleated jeans?
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Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2009, 08:38:48 AM
May 4, 1984, the Oakland A's Dave Kingman hit a ball that disappeared through a drainage hole in the Teflon roof. The ball never came down, and Kingman was given a ground-rule double. The next day, the Twins devised a plan in which, before Kingman's first at-bat, a ball would drop from the roof so that Twins first baseman Mickey Hatcher could make the catch. As Kingman stepped into the batter's box, the ball knuckled its way down, bounced and hit Hatcher in the groin, sending him to the turf. "Kingman looked at me and said, 'What's wrong with you?' " says Hatcher, now the LA Angels batting coach.
I have no idea what the point of this story is, but why the hell wasn't Hatcher wearing a cup?
Point of story: Nut shots are always funny.
Re: Hatcher and the cup: Ever been hit in the cup by a baseball travelling at a decent speed? It'll still make you puke, just won't turn your nuts to puree.
No, whenever I see a ball traveling at a decent speed toward my testicles, I use a different part of my body to stop it.
As a catcher/first baseman for a lot of my baseball life, I can say it's not always possible.
When you're a shitty fielder like Mickey Hatcher, even less so.
Did the coach mind that you wore pleated jeans?
Have Mickey Hatcher's balls also never dropped back down?
Quote from: BH on September 30, 2009, 09:30:30 AM
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Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2009, 08:38:48 AM
May 4, 1984, the Oakland A's Dave Kingman hit a ball that disappeared through a drainage hole in the Teflon roof. The ball never came down, and Kingman was given a ground-rule double. The next day, the Twins devised a plan in which, before Kingman's first at-bat, a ball would drop from the roof so that Twins first baseman Mickey Hatcher could make the catch. As Kingman stepped into the batter's box, the ball knuckled its way down, bounced and hit Hatcher in the groin, sending him to the turf. "Kingman looked at me and said, 'What's wrong with you?' " says Hatcher, now the LA Angels batting coach.
I have no idea what the point of this story is, but why the hell wasn't Hatcher wearing a cup?
Point of story: Nut shots are always funny.
Re: Hatcher and the cup: Ever been hit in the cup by a baseball travelling at a decent speed? It'll still make you puke, just won't turn your nuts to puree.
No, whenever I see a ball traveling at a decent speed toward my testicles, I use a different part of my body to stop it.
As a catcher/first baseman for a lot of my baseball life, I can say it's not always possible.
When you're a shitty fielder like Mickey Hatcher, even less so.
Did the coach mind that you wore pleated jeans?
I wore denim capris. They look more like baseball pants.
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May 4, 1984, the Oakland A's Dave Kingman hit a ball that disappeared through a drainage hole in the Teflon roof. The ball never came down, and Kingman was given a ground-rule double. The next day, the Twins devised a plan in which, before Kingman's first at-bat, a ball would drop from the roof so that Twins first baseman Mickey Hatcher could make the catch. As Kingman stepped into the batter's box, the ball knuckled its way down, bounced and hit Hatcher in the groin, sending him to the turf. "Kingman looked at me and said, 'What's wrong with you?' " says Hatcher, now the LA Angels batting coach.
I have no idea what the point of this story is, but why the hell wasn't Hatcher wearing a cup?
Point of story: Nut shots are always funny.
Re: Hatcher and the cup: Ever been hit in the cup by a baseball travelling at a decent speed? It'll still make you puke, just won't turn your nuts to puree.
No, whenever I see a ball traveling at a decent speed toward my testicles, I use a different part of my body to stop it.
As a catcher/first baseman for a lot of my baseball life, I can say it's not always possible.
When you're a shitty fielder like Mickey Hatcher, even less so.
Being a catcher/firstbaseman for most of my baseball life, I have to agree with Fork.
I've been a first baseman my entire life and have never been hit in the balls. I guess it helps that I'm good at it.
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Quote from: *In a Nutsack on September 30, 2009, 09:26:59 AM
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Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2009, 08:38:48 AM
May 4, 1984, the Oakland A's Dave Kingman hit a ball that disappeared through a drainage hole in the Teflon roof. The ball never came down, and Kingman was given a ground-rule double. The next day, the Twins devised a plan in which, before Kingman's first at-bat, a ball would drop from the roof so that Twins first baseman Mickey Hatcher could make the catch. As Kingman stepped into the batter's box, the ball knuckled its way down, bounced and hit Hatcher in the groin, sending him to the turf. "Kingman looked at me and said, 'What's wrong with you?' " says Hatcher, now the LA Angels batting coach.
I have no idea what the point of this story is, but why the hell wasn't Hatcher wearing a cup?
Point of story: Nut shots are always funny.
Re: Hatcher and the cup: Ever been hit in the cup by a baseball travelling at a decent speed? It'll still make you puke, just won't turn your nuts to puree.
No, whenever I see a ball traveling at a decent speed toward my testicles, I use a different part of my body to stop it.
As a catcher/first baseman for a lot of my baseball life, I can say it's not always possible.
When you're a shitty fielder like Mickey Hatcher, even less so.
Being a catcher/firstbaseman for most of my baseball life, I have to agree with Fork.
I've been a first baseman my entire life and have never been hit in the balls. I guess it helps that I'm good at it.
We get it, you're Hee Seop Choi
Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2009, 09:21:42 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 30, 2009, 09:10:31 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2009, 09:01:16 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 30, 2009, 08:59:28 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2009, 08:38:48 AM
May 4, 1984, the Oakland A's Dave Kingman hit a ball that disappeared through a drainage hole in the Teflon roof. The ball never came down, and Kingman was given a ground-rule double. The next day, the Twins devised a plan in which, before Kingman's first at-bat, a ball would drop from the roof so that Twins first baseman Mickey Hatcher could make the catch. As Kingman stepped into the batter's box, the ball knuckled its way down, bounced and hit Hatcher in the groin, sending him to the turf. "Kingman looked at me and said, 'What's wrong with you?' " says Hatcher, now the LA Angels batting coach.
I have no idea what the point of this story is, but why the hell wasn't Hatcher wearing a cup?
Point of story: Nut shots are always funny.
Re: Hatcher and the cup: Ever been hit in the cup by a baseball travelling at a decent speed? It'll still make you puke, just won't turn your nuts to puree.
No, whenever I see a ball traveling at a decent speed toward my testicles, I use a different part of my body to stop it.
As a catcher/first baseman for a lot of my baseball life, I can say it's not always possible.
When you're a shitty fielder like Mickey Hatcher, even less so.
Intrepid Reader BNC Fork:None of you statfaggots know a god damn thing about baseball until you take a two hopper right in the sack. It's the kind of sadistic pleasure only people who actually PLAY the game would know.
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Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 30, 2009, 08:59:28 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2009, 08:38:48 AM
May 4, 1984, the Oakland A's Dave Kingman hit a ball that disappeared through a drainage hole in the Teflon roof. The ball never came down, and Kingman was given a ground-rule double. The next day, the Twins devised a plan in which, before Kingman's first at-bat, a ball would drop from the roof so that Twins first baseman Mickey Hatcher could make the catch. As Kingman stepped into the batter's box, the ball knuckled its way down, bounced and hit Hatcher in the groin, sending him to the turf. "Kingman looked at me and said, 'What's wrong with you?' " says Hatcher, now the LA Angels batting coach.
I have no idea what the point of this story is, but why the hell wasn't Hatcher wearing a cup?
Point of story: Nut shots are always funny.
Re: Hatcher and the cup: Ever been hit in the cup by a baseball travelling at a decent speed? It'll still make you puke, just won't turn your nuts to puree.
No, whenever I see a ball traveling at a decent speed toward my testicles, I use a different part of my body to stop it.
As a catcher/first baseman for a lot of my baseball life, I can say it's not always possible.
When you're a shitty fielder like Mickey Hatcher, even less so.
Intrepid Reader BNC Fork:
None of you statfaggots know a god damn thing about baseball until you take a two hopper right in the sack. It's the kind of sadistic pleasure only people who actually PLAY the game would know.
But how long did it take him to rehab his sack?
And how did this compare to Barrett and/or Pie's time spent sidelined by nut pain?
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 30, 2009, 10:00:07 AM
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Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 30, 2009, 08:59:28 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2009, 08:38:48 AM
May 4, 1984, the Oakland A's Dave Kingman hit a ball that disappeared through a drainage hole in the Teflon roof. The ball never came down, and Kingman was given a ground-rule double. The next day, the Twins devised a plan in which, before Kingman's first at-bat, a ball would drop from the roof so that Twins first baseman Mickey Hatcher could make the catch. As Kingman stepped into the batter's box, the ball knuckled its way down, bounced and hit Hatcher in the groin, sending him to the turf. "Kingman looked at me and said, 'What's wrong with you?' " says Hatcher, now the LA Angels batting coach.
I have no idea what the point of this story is, but why the hell wasn't Hatcher wearing a cup?
Point of story: Nut shots are always funny.
Re: Hatcher and the cup: Ever been hit in the cup by a baseball travelling at a decent speed? It'll still make you puke, just won't turn your nuts to puree.
No, whenever I see a ball traveling at a decent speed toward my testicles, I use a different part of my body to stop it.
As a catcher/first baseman for a lot of my baseball life, I can say it's not always possible.
When you're a shitty fielder like Mickey Hatcher, even less so.
Being a catcher/firstbaseman for most of my baseball life, I have to agree with Fork.
I've been a first baseman my entire life and have never been hit in the balls. I guess it helps that I'm good at it.
I think you're lying.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 30, 2009, 10:00:07 AM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on September 30, 2009, 09:26:59 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2009, 09:21:42 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 30, 2009, 09:10:31 AM
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Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 30, 2009, 08:59:28 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2009, 08:38:48 AM
May 4, 1984, the Oakland A's Dave Kingman hit a ball that disappeared through a drainage hole in the Teflon roof. The ball never came down, and Kingman was given a ground-rule double. The next day, the Twins devised a plan in which, before Kingman's first at-bat, a ball would drop from the roof so that Twins first baseman Mickey Hatcher could make the catch. As Kingman stepped into the batter's box, the ball knuckled its way down, bounced and hit Hatcher in the groin, sending him to the turf. "Kingman looked at me and said, 'What's wrong with you?' " says Hatcher, now the LA Angels batting coach.
I have no idea what the point of this story is, but why the hell wasn't Hatcher wearing a cup?
Point of story: Nut shots are always funny.
Re: Hatcher and the cup: Ever been hit in the cup by a baseball travelling at a decent speed? It'll still make you puke, just won't turn your nuts to puree.
No, whenever I see a ball traveling at a decent speed toward my testicles, I use a different part of my body to stop it.
As a catcher/first baseman for a lot of my baseball life, I can say it's not always possible.
When you're a shitty fielder like Mickey Hatcher, even less so.
Being a catcher/firstbaseman for most of my baseball life, I have to agree with Fork.
I've been a first baseman my entire life and have never been hit in the balls. I guess it helps that I'm good at it.
I don't think I ever took one at first base. But any catcher who says they never took a foul ball off the cup is full of shit.
Quote from: CT III on September 30, 2009, 10:52:51 AM
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Quote from: *In a Nutsack on September 30, 2009, 09:26:59 AM
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Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 30, 2009, 08:59:28 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2009, 08:38:48 AM
May 4, 1984, the Oakland A's Dave Kingman hit a ball that disappeared through a drainage hole in the Teflon roof. The ball never came down, and Kingman was given a ground-rule double. The next day, the Twins devised a plan in which, before Kingman's first at-bat, a ball would drop from the roof so that Twins first baseman Mickey Hatcher could make the catch. As Kingman stepped into the batter's box, the ball knuckled its way down, bounced and hit Hatcher in the groin, sending him to the turf. "Kingman looked at me and said, 'What's wrong with you?' " says Hatcher, now the LA Angels batting coach.
I have no idea what the point of this story is, but why the hell wasn't Hatcher wearing a cup?
Point of story: Nut shots are always funny.
Re: Hatcher and the cup: Ever been hit in the cup by a baseball travelling at a decent speed? It'll still make you puke, just won't turn your nuts to puree.
No, whenever I see a ball traveling at a decent speed toward my testicles, I use a different part of my body to stop it.
As a catcher/first baseman for a lot of my baseball life, I can say it's not always possible.
When you're a shitty fielder like Mickey Hatcher, even less so.
Being a catcher/firstbaseman for most of my baseball life, I have to agree with Fork.
I've been a first baseman my entire life and have never been hit in the balls. I guess it helps that I'm good at it.
I think you're lying.
Good to see your Ripken-esque streak of being wrong is still intact. Did I do that right?
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 30, 2009, 10:00:07 AM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on September 30, 2009, 09:26:59 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2009, 09:21:42 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 30, 2009, 09:10:31 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2009, 09:01:16 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 30, 2009, 08:59:28 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2009, 08:38:48 AM
May 4, 1984, the Oakland A's Dave Kingman hit a ball that disappeared through a drainage hole in the Teflon roof. The ball never came down, and Kingman was given a ground-rule double. The next day, the Twins devised a plan in which, before Kingman's first at-bat, a ball would drop from the roof so that Twins first baseman Mickey Hatcher could make the catch. As Kingman stepped into the batter's box, the ball knuckled its way down, bounced and hit Hatcher in the groin, sending him to the turf. "Kingman looked at me and said, 'What's wrong with you?' " says Hatcher, now the LA Angels batting coach.
I have no idea what the point of this story is, but why the hell wasn't Hatcher wearing a cup?
Point of story: Nut shots are always funny.
Re: Hatcher and the cup: Ever been hit in the cup by a baseball travelling at a decent speed? It'll still make you puke, just won't turn your nuts to puree.
No, whenever I see a ball traveling at a decent speed toward my testicles, I use a different part of my body to stop it.
As a catcher/first baseman for a lot of my baseball life, I can say it's not always possible.
When you're a shitty fielder like Mickey Hatcher, even less so.
Being a catcher/firstbaseman for most of my baseball life, I have to agree with Fork.
I've been a first baseman my entire life and have never been hit in the balls. I guess it helps that I'm good at it.
If you were so good at being hit in the balls it would have happened to you. Wait, what are you saying?
Can't we have one thread that doesn't end with us digging up a corpse bragging about our amateur sports careers?
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on September 30, 2009, 11:55:58 AM
Can't we have one thread that doesn't end with us digging up a corpse bragging about our amateur sports careers?
Yes. Let's not relive Thrill's athletic accolades once again.
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on September 30, 2009, 11:55:58 AM
Can't we have one thread that doesn't end with usKerm digging up a corpse bragging about our amateur sports careers having tiny balls?
Quote from: BH on September 30, 2009, 11:59:41 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on September 30, 2009, 11:55:58 AM
Can't we have one thread that doesn't end with us digging up a corpse bragging about our amateur sports careers?
Yes. Let's not relive Thrill's athletic accolades once again.
I would think his only accolades would include throwing a football at a funeral procession for a fallen soldier
Quote from: BH on September 30, 2009, 11:59:41 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on September 30, 2009, 11:55:58 AM
Can't we have one thread that doesn't end with us digging up a corpse bragging about our amateur sports careers?
Yes. Let's not relive Thrill's athletic accolades once again.
Have I ever told you about the time we couldn't get into our locker room after a game because the cops were in there chatting with a teammate who had two-handed his stick across the back of an opponent's neck after the whistle?
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on September 30, 2009, 12:09:37 PM
Quote from: BH on September 30, 2009, 11:59:41 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on September 30, 2009, 11:55:58 AM
Can't we have one thread that doesn't end with us digging up a corpse bragging about our amateur sports careers?
Yes. Let's not relive Thrill's athletic accolades once again.
Have I ever told you about the time we couldn't get into our locker room after a game because the cops were in there chatting with a teammate who had two-handed his stick across the back of an opponent's neck after the whistle?
Why would the art club need a locker room? Was it for the shower bonding?
Quote from: BH on September 30, 2009, 12:11:37 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on September 30, 2009, 12:09:37 PM
Quote from: BH on September 30, 2009, 11:59:41 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on September 30, 2009, 11:55:58 AM
Can't we have one thread that doesn't end with us digging up a corpse bragging about our amateur sports careers?
Yes. Let's not relive Thrill's athletic accolades once again.
Have I ever told you about the time we couldn't get into our locker room after a game because the cops were in there chatting with a teammate who had two-handed his stick across the back of an opponent's neck after the whistle?
Why would the art club need a locker room? Was it for the shower bonding?
The art club doubled as the pep band. They needed to wash their tubas together after the hockey match.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 30, 2009, 11:30:24 AM
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Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2009, 08:38:48 AM
May 4, 1984, the Oakland A's Dave Kingman hit a ball that disappeared through a drainage hole in the Teflon roof. The ball never came down, and Kingman was given a ground-rule double. The next day, the Twins devised a plan in which, before Kingman's first at-bat, a ball would drop from the roof so that Twins first baseman Mickey Hatcher could make the catch. As Kingman stepped into the batter's box, the ball knuckled its way down, bounced and hit Hatcher in the groin, sending him to the turf. "Kingman looked at me and said, 'What's wrong with you?' " says Hatcher, now the LA Angels batting coach.
I have no idea what the point of this story is, but why the hell wasn't Hatcher wearing a cup?
Point of story: Nut shots are always funny.
Re: Hatcher and the cup: Ever been hit in the cup by a baseball travelling at a decent speed? It'll still make you puke, just won't turn your nuts to puree.
No, whenever I see a ball traveling at a decent speed toward my testicles, I use a different part of my body to stop it.
As a catcher/first baseman for a lot of my baseball life, I can say it's not always possible.
When you're a shitty fielder like Mickey Hatcher, even less so.
Being a catcher/firstbaseman for most of my baseball life, I have to agree with Fork.
I've been a first baseman my entire life and have never been hit in the balls. I guess it helps that I'm good at it.
I think you're lying.
Good to see your Ripken-esque streak of being wrong is still intact. Did I do that right?
Really? I seem to remember you showing up at a 12" softball game and bitching about how uncomfortable your cup was, but you were going to wear it since you had to play first base. So maybe you never got hit, but you definitely considered it to be a distinct possibility.
Quote from: CT III on September 30, 2009, 01:32:46 PM
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Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2009, 08:38:48 AM
May 4, 1984, the Oakland A's Dave Kingman hit a ball that disappeared through a drainage hole in the Teflon roof. The ball never came down, and Kingman was given a ground-rule double. The next day, the Twins devised a plan in which, before Kingman's first at-bat, a ball would drop from the roof so that Twins first baseman Mickey Hatcher could make the catch. As Kingman stepped into the batter's box, the ball knuckled its way down, bounced and hit Hatcher in the groin, sending him to the turf. "Kingman looked at me and said, 'What's wrong with you?' " says Hatcher, now the LA Angels batting coach.
I have no idea what the point of this story is, but why the hell wasn't Hatcher wearing a cup?
Point of story: Nut shots are always funny.
Re: Hatcher and the cup: Ever been hit in the cup by a baseball travelling at a decent speed? It'll still make you puke, just won't turn your nuts to puree.
No, whenever I see a ball traveling at a decent speed toward my testicles, I use a different part of my body to stop it.
As a catcher/first baseman for a lot of my baseball life, I can say it's not always possible.
When you're a shitty fielder like Mickey Hatcher, even less so.
Being a catcher/firstbaseman for most of my baseball life, I have to agree with Fork.
I've been a first baseman my entire life and have never been hit in the balls. I guess it helps that I'm good at it.
I think you're lying.
Good to see your Ripken-esque streak of being wrong is still intact. Did I do that right?
Really? I seem to remember you showing up at a 12" softball game and bitching about how uncomfortable your cup was, but you were going to wear it since you had to play first base. So maybe you never got hit, but you definitely considered it to be a distinct possibility.
I wear a seatbelt when I drive, too, yet I've never flown through my windshield.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 30, 2009, 02:02:46 PM
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Quote from: *In a Nutsack on September 30, 2009, 09:26:59 AM
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Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 30, 2009, 08:59:28 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2009, 08:38:48 AM
May 4, 1984, the Oakland A's Dave Kingman hit a ball that disappeared through a drainage hole in the Teflon roof. The ball never came down, and Kingman was given a ground-rule double. The next day, the Twins devised a plan in which, before Kingman's first at-bat, a ball would drop from the roof so that Twins first baseman Mickey Hatcher could make the catch. As Kingman stepped into the batter's box, the ball knuckled its way down, bounced and hit Hatcher in the groin, sending him to the turf. "Kingman looked at me and said, 'What's wrong with you?' " says Hatcher, now the LA Angels batting coach.
I have no idea what the point of this story is, but why the hell wasn't Hatcher wearing a cup?
Point of story: Nut shots are always funny.
Re: Hatcher and the cup: Ever been hit in the cup by a baseball travelling at a decent speed? It'll still make you puke, just won't turn your nuts to puree.
No, whenever I see a ball traveling at a decent speed toward my testicles, I use a different part of my body to stop it.
As a catcher/first baseman for a lot of my baseball life, I can say it's not always possible.
When you're a shitty fielder like Mickey Hatcher, even less so.
Being a catcher/firstbaseman for most of my baseball life, I have to agree with Fork.
I've been a first baseman my entire life and have never been hit in the balls. I guess it helps that I'm good at it.
I think you're lying.
Good to see your Ripken-esque streak of being wrong is still intact. Did I do that right?
Really? I seem to remember you showing up at a 12" softball game and bitching about how uncomfortable your cup was, but you were going to wear it since you had to play first base. So maybe you never got hit, but you definitely considered it to be a distinct possibility.
I wear a seatbelt when I drive, too, yet I've never flown through my windshield.
Got it, Kerm is both a better baseball player and a better driver than Mickey Hatcher.
Quote from: CT III on September 30, 2009, 02:24:05 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 30, 2009, 02:02:46 PM
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Quote from: *In a Nutsack on September 30, 2009, 09:26:59 AM
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Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 30, 2009, 08:59:28 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2009, 08:38:48 AM
May 4, 1984, the Oakland A's Dave Kingman hit a ball that disappeared through a drainage hole in the Teflon roof. The ball never came down, and Kingman was given a ground-rule double. The next day, the Twins devised a plan in which, before Kingman's first at-bat, a ball would drop from the roof so that Twins first baseman Mickey Hatcher could make the catch. As Kingman stepped into the batter's box, the ball knuckled its way down, bounced and hit Hatcher in the groin, sending him to the turf. "Kingman looked at me and said, 'What's wrong with you?' " says Hatcher, now the LA Angels batting coach.
I have no idea what the point of this story is, but why the hell wasn't Hatcher wearing a cup?
Point of story: Nut shots are always funny.
Re: Hatcher and the cup: Ever been hit in the cup by a baseball travelling at a decent speed? It'll still make you puke, just won't turn your nuts to puree.
No, whenever I see a ball traveling at a decent speed toward my testicles, I use a different part of my body to stop it.
As a catcher/first baseman for a lot of my baseball life, I can say it's not always possible.
When you're a shitty fielder like Mickey Hatcher, even less so.
Being a catcher/firstbaseman for most of my baseball life, I have to agree with Fork.
I've been a first baseman my entire life and have never been hit in the balls. I guess it helps that I'm good at it.
I think you're lying.
Good to see your Ripken-esque streak of being wrong is still intact. Did I do that right?
Really? I seem to remember you showing up at a 12" softball game and bitching about how uncomfortable your cup was, but you were going to wear it since you had to play first base. So maybe you never got hit, but you definitely considered it to be a distinct possibility.
I wear a seatbelt when I drive, too, yet I've never flown through my windshield.
Got it, Kerm is both a better baseball player and a better driver than Mickey Hatcher.
Not when he uses his gamer.
(http://blog.squeezeplaycards.com/wp-content/uploads/mickey-hatcher-big-glove.jpg)
In summary...Kid Rock is a warrior.
Quote from: BH on September 30, 2009, 12:11:37 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on September 30, 2009, 12:09:37 PM
Quote from: BH on September 30, 2009, 11:59:41 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on September 30, 2009, 11:55:58 AM
Can't we have one thread that doesn't end with us digging up a corpse bragging about our amateur sports careers?
Yes. Let's not relive Thrill's athletic accolades once again.
Have I ever told you about the time we couldn't get into our locker room after a game because the cops were in there chatting with a teammate who had two-handed his stick across the back of an opponent's neck after the whistle?
Why would the art club need a locker room? Was it for the shower bonding?
When he says "Locker Room" he means "Found Object Installation Utlizing Sporting Equipment #4"
Quote from: Jon on September 30, 2009, 04:00:54 PM
Quote from: BH on September 30, 2009, 12:11:37 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on September 30, 2009, 12:09:37 PM
Quote from: BH on September 30, 2009, 11:59:41 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on September 30, 2009, 11:55:58 AM
Can't we have one thread that doesn't end with us digging up a corpse bragging about our amateur sports careers?
Yes. Let's not relive Thrill's athletic accolades once again.
Have I ever told you about the time we couldn't get into our locker room after a game because the cops were in there chatting with a teammate who had two-handed his stick across the back of an opponent's neck after the whistle?
Why would the art club need a locker room? Was it for the shower bonding?
When he says "Locker Room" he means "Found Object Installation Utlizing Sporting Equipment #4" a Matthew Barney exhibit.
OTTOshaft'd
(http://i35.tinypic.com/oti7f5.jpg)
Joe Mauer: Sign-Stealing MVP (http://deadspin.com/5371695/think-theres-no-cheating-in-baseball)
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on October 01, 2009, 11:04:24 AM
Joe Mauer: Sign-Stealing MVP (http://deadspin.com/5371695/think-theres-no-cheating-in-baseball)
Brenly would be losing his shit watching that.
How fucking hard would it have been for Laird to--oh, I don't know--changed the sequence?
Quote from: Andy on October 01, 2009, 11:39:07 AM
How fucking hard would it have been for Laird to--oh, I don't know--changed the sequence?
You obviously have no idea how difficult it is to do that with catcher's equipment on. That shit is heavy. And he'd have to run all the way out to the mound and talk about stuff. You have no FUCKING CLUE HOW HARD IT IS.
I don't either.
Fork? Little help here?
Quote from: Andy on October 01, 2009, 11:39:07 AM
How fucking hard would it have been for Laird to--oh, I don't know--changed the sequence?
Especially with another catcher on second base.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 01, 2009, 11:46:04 AM
Quote from: Andy on October 01, 2009, 11:39:07 AM
How fucking hard would it have been for Laird to--oh, I don't know--changed the sequence?
Especially with another catcher on second base.
THI.
Quote from: TDubbs on October 01, 2009, 11:41:38 AM
Quote from: Andy on October 01, 2009, 11:39:07 AM
How fucking hard would it have been for Laird to--oh, I don't know--changed the sequence?
You obviously have no idea how difficult it is to do that with catcher's equipment on. That shit is heavy. And he'd have to run all the way out to the mound and talk about stuff. You have no FUCKING CLUE HOW HARD IT IS.
I don't either.
Fork? Little help here?
This reminds me that I still have an "NRA Pride" license-plate holder, available free to the first claimant who promises to display it.
Quote from: Wheezer on October 01, 2009, 11:48:32 AM
Quote from: TDubbs on October 01, 2009, 11:41:38 AM
Quote from: Andy on October 01, 2009, 11:39:07 AM
How fucking hard would it have been for Laird to--oh, I don't know--changed the sequence?
You obviously have no idea how difficult it is to do that with catcher's equipment on. That shit is heavy. And he'd have to run all the way out to the mound and talk about stuff. You have no FUCKING CLUE HOW HARD IT IS.
I don't either.
Fork? Little help here?
This reminds me that I still have an "NRA Pride" license-plate holder, available free to the first claimant who promises to display it.
I think Morph already has one on his '94 Rustang.
Quote from: Wheezer on October 01, 2009, 11:48:32 AM
Quote from: TDubbs on October 01, 2009, 11:41:38 AM
Quote from: Andy on October 01, 2009, 11:39:07 AM
How fucking hard would it have been for Laird to--oh, I don't know--changed the sequence?
You obviously have no idea how difficult it is to do that with catcher's equipment on. That shit is heavy. And he'd have to run all the way out to the mound and talk about stuff. You have no FUCKING CLUE HOW HARD IT IS.
I don't either.
Fork? Little help here?
This reminds me that I still have an "NRA Pride" license-plate holder, available free to the first claimant who promises to display it.
Damn right! I'll take it. The National Recovery Act got us out of the Great Depression.
Quote from: CBStew on October 01, 2009, 11:53:55 AM
Quote from: Wheezer on October 01, 2009, 11:48:32 AM
Quote from: TDubbs on October 01, 2009, 11:41:38 AM
Quote from: Andy on October 01, 2009, 11:39:07 AM
How fucking hard would it have been for Laird to--oh, I don't know--changed the sequence?
You obviously have no idea how difficult it is to do that with catcher's equipment on. That shit is heavy. And he'd have to run all the way out to the mound and talk about stuff. You have no FUCKING CLUE HOW HARD IT IS.
I don't either.
Fork? Little help here?
This reminds me that I still have an "NRA Pride" license-plate holder, available free to the first claimant who promises to display it.
Damn right! I'll take it. The National Recovery Act got us out of the Great Depression.
Done. As a bonus, the decals appear to have been manufactured under the auspices of UNITE.
Quote from: Wheezer on October 01, 2009, 12:00:11 PM
Quote from: CBStew on October 01, 2009, 11:53:55 AM
Quote from: Wheezer on October 01, 2009, 11:48:32 AM
Quote from: TDubbs on October 01, 2009, 11:41:38 AM
Quote from: Andy on October 01, 2009, 11:39:07 AM
How fucking hard would it have been for Laird to--oh, I don't know--changed the sequence?
You obviously have no idea how difficult it is to do that with catcher's equipment on. That shit is heavy. And he'd have to run all the way out to the mound and talk about stuff. You have no FUCKING CLUE HOW HARD IT IS.
I don't either.
Fork? Little help here?
This reminds me that I still have an "NRA Pride" license-plate holder, available free to the first claimant who promises to display it.
Damn right! I'll take it. The National Recovery Act got us out of the Great Depression.
Done. As a bonus, the decals appear to have been manufactured under the auspices of UNITE.
Union thugs.
Quote from: TDubbs on October 01, 2009, 11:41:38 AM
Quote from: Andy on October 01, 2009, 11:39:07 AM
How fucking hard would it have been for Laird to--oh, I don't know--changed the sequence?
You obviously have no idea how difficult it is to do that with catcher's equipment on. That shit is heavy. And he'd have to run all the way out to the mound and talk about stuff. You have no FUCKING CLUE HOW HARD IT IS.
I don't either.
Fork? Little help here?
Beats me. We learned that shit in Connie Mack ball.
Quote from: Wheezer on October 01, 2009, 12:00:11 PM
Quote from: CBStew on October 01, 2009, 11:53:55 AM
Quote from: Wheezer on October 01, 2009, 11:48:32 AM
Quote from: TDubbs on October 01, 2009, 11:41:38 AM
Quote from: Andy on October 01, 2009, 11:39:07 AM
How fucking hard would it have been for Laird to--oh, I don't know--changed the sequence?
You obviously have no idea how difficult it is to do that with catcher's equipment on. That shit is heavy. And he'd have to run all the way out to the mound and talk about stuff. You have no FUCKING CLUE HOW HARD IT IS.
I don't either.
Fork? Little help here?
This reminds me that I still have an "NRA Pride" license-plate holder, available free to the first claimant who promises to display it.
Damn right! I'll take it. The National Recovery Act got us out of the Great Depression.
Done. As a bonus, the decals appear to have been manufactured under the auspices of UNITE.
I think Wheezer is actually Thomas Pynchon. That would explain a lot.
Wheezer, I'm reading your new book - it's enjoyable so far.
Quote from: Fork on October 01, 2009, 12:10:41 PM
Quote from: TDubbs on October 01, 2009, 11:41:38 AM
Quote from: Andy on October 01, 2009, 11:39:07 AM
How fucking hard would it have been for Laird to--oh, I don't know--changed the sequence?
You obviously have no idea how difficult it is to do that with catcher's equipment on. That shit is heavy. And he'd have to run all the way out to the mound and talk about stuff. You have no FUCKING CLUE HOW HARD IT IS.
I don't either.
Fork? Little help here?
Beats me. We learned that shit in Connie Mack ball.
What the hell does that say? I know it's two words, and the image location is a small ass image that I'm too lazy to try to zoom in on
Quote from: IrishYeti on October 01, 2009, 12:33:43 PM
Quote from: Fork on October 01, 2009, 12:10:41 PM
Quote from: TDubbs on October 01, 2009, 11:41:38 AM
Quote from: Andy on October 01, 2009, 11:39:07 AM
How fucking hard would it have been for Laird to--oh, I don't know--changed the sequence?
You obviously have no idea how difficult it is to do that with catcher's equipment on. That shit is heavy. And he'd have to run all the way out to the mound and talk about stuff. You have no FUCKING CLUE HOW HARD IT IS.
I don't either.
Fork? Little help here?
Beats me. We learned that shit in Connie Mack ball.
What the hell does that say? I know it's two words, and the image location is a small ass image that I'm too lazy to try to zoom in on
Better?
Quote from: Fork on October 01, 2009, 12:34:59 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on October 01, 2009, 12:33:43 PM
Quote from: Fork on October 01, 2009, 12:10:41 PM
Quote from: TDubbs on October 01, 2009, 11:41:38 AM
Quote from: Andy on October 01, 2009, 11:39:07 AM
How fucking hard would it have been for Laird to--oh, I don't know--changed the sequence?
You obviously have no idea how difficult it is to do that with catcher's equipment on. That shit is heavy. And he'd have to run all the way out to the mound and talk about stuff. You have no FUCKING CLUE HOW HARD IT IS.
I don't either.
Fork? Little help here?
Beats me. We learned that shit in Connie Mack ball.
What the hell does that say? I know it's two words, and the image location is a small ass image that I'm too lazy to try to zoom in on
Better?
Yes. Proceed on with ruining your quota of 10 threads today.
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on October 01, 2009, 12:05:19 PM
Quote from: Wheezer on October 01, 2009, 12:00:11 PM
Quote from: CBStew on October 01, 2009, 11:53:55 AM
Quote from: Wheezer on October 01, 2009, 11:48:32 AM
Quote from: TDubbs on October 01, 2009, 11:41:38 AM
Quote from: Andy on October 01, 2009, 11:39:07 AM
How fucking hard would it have been for Laird to--oh, I don't know--changed the sequence?
You obviously have no idea how difficult it is to do that with catcher's equipment on. That shit is heavy. And he'd have to run all the way out to the mound and talk about stuff. You have no FUCKING CLUE HOW HARD IT IS.
I don't either.
Fork? Little help here?
This reminds me that I still have an "NRA Pride" license-plate holder, available free to the first claimant who promises to display it.
Damn right! I'll take it. The National Recovery Act got us out of the Great Depression.
Done. As a bonus, the decals appear to have been manufactured under the auspices of UNITE.
Union thugs.
If Stew cannot recieve it or otherwise display it, I would be happy to hang it in my office next to my Nixon poster.
Quote from: Marjory Keek on October 01, 2009, 12:26:24 PM
Quote from: Wheezer on October 01, 2009, 12:00:11 PM
Quote from: CBStew on October 01, 2009, 11:53:55 AM
Quote from: Wheezer on October 01, 2009, 11:48:32 AM
Quote from: TDubbs on October 01, 2009, 11:41:38 AM
Quote from: Andy on October 01, 2009, 11:39:07 AM
How fucking hard would it have been for Laird to--oh, I don't know--changed the sequence?
You obviously have no idea how difficult it is to do that with catcher's equipment on. That shit is heavy. And he'd have to run all the way out to the mound and talk about stuff. You have no FUCKING CLUE HOW HARD IT IS.
I don't either.
Fork? Little help here?
This reminds me that I still have an "NRA Pride" license-plate holder, available free to the first claimant who promises to display it.
Damn right! I'll take it. The National Recovery Act got us out of the Great Depression.
Done. As a bonus, the decals appear to have been manufactured under the auspices of UNITE.
I think Wheezer is actually Thomas Pynchon. That would explain a lot.
Wheezer, I'm reading your new book - it's enjoyable so far.
All things considered, I still prefer his college roomate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08epso8yRBQ).
If Kubel could hit a curveball decently, like the clip says, the at-bat could have ended with more than one RBI.
I'm shocked Verlander didn't give Kubel teh chin music.
The city can't afford to bury the dead (http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/01/news/economy/_morgue/index.htm), but at least their TIGERZ are playing for the playoffs.
Quote from: Wheezer on October 01, 2009, 12:48:51 PM
Quote from: Marjory Keek on October 01, 2009, 12:26:24 PM
Quote from: Wheezer on October 01, 2009, 12:00:11 PM
Quote from: CBStew on October 01, 2009, 11:53:55 AM
Quote from: Wheezer on October 01, 2009, 11:48:32 AM
Quote from: TDubbs on October 01, 2009, 11:41:38 AM
Quote from: Andy on October 01, 2009, 11:39:07 AM
How fucking hard would it have been for Laird to--oh, I don't know--changed the sequence?
You obviously have no idea how difficult it is to do that with catcher's equipment on. That shit is heavy. And he'd have to run all the way out to the mound and talk about stuff. You have no FUCKING CLUE HOW HARD IT IS.
I don't either.
Fork? Little help here?
This reminds me that I still have an "NRA Pride" license-plate holder, available free to the first claimant who promises to display it.
Damn right! I'll take it. The National Recovery Act got us out of the Great Depression.
Done. As a bonus, the decals appear to have been manufactured under the auspices of UNITE.
I think Wheezer is actually Thomas Pynchon. That would explain a lot.
Wheezer, I'm reading your new book - it's enjoyable so far.
All things considered, I still prefer his college roomate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08epso8yRBQ).
Man, that was great.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 01, 2009, 07:49:04 PM
Quote from: Wheezer on October 01, 2009, 12:48:51 PM
Quote from: Marjory Keek on October 01, 2009, 12:26:24 PM
Quote from: Wheezer on October 01, 2009, 12:00:11 PM
Quote from: CBStew on October 01, 2009, 11:53:55 AM
Quote from: Wheezer on October 01, 2009, 11:48:32 AM
Quote from: TDubbs on October 01, 2009, 11:41:38 AM
Quote from: Andy on October 01, 2009, 11:39:07 AM
How fucking hard would it have been for Laird to--oh, I don't know--changed the sequence?
You obviously have no idea how difficult it is to do that with catcher's equipment on. That shit is heavy. And he'd have to run all the way out to the mound and talk about stuff. You have no FUCKING CLUE HOW HARD IT IS.
I don't either.
Fork? Little help here?
This reminds me that I still have an "NRA Pride" license-plate holder, available free to the first claimant who promises to display it.
Damn right! I'll take it. The National Recovery Act got us out of the Great Depression.
Done. As a bonus, the decals appear to have been manufactured under the auspices of UNITE.
I think Wheezer is actually Thomas Pynchon. That would explain a lot.
Wheezer, I'm reading your new book - it's enjoyable so far.
All things considered, I still prefer his college roomate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08epso8yRBQ).
Man, that was great.
Really nice harmony.
And Mimi has got some legs.
(But Richard did all the heavy lifting.)
Freddy Garcia equals Dogpile in Detroit. Shirtless hugs for everybody.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 03, 2009, 10:08:38 AM
Freddy Garcia equals Dogpile in Detroit. Shirtless hugs for everybody.
Magic number is still 2, no? Those Tiggers are going to look awfully silly making a dogpile after they clinch
a tie.
Quote from: MAD on October 03, 2009, 10:12:15 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 03, 2009, 10:08:38 AM
Freddy Garcia equals Dogpile in Detroit. Shirtless hugs for everybody.
Magic number is still 2, no? Those Tiggers are going to look awfully silly making a dogpile after they clinch a tie.
Racist.
Quote from: Fork on October 03, 2009, 11:29:03 AM
Quote from: MAD on October 03, 2009, 10:12:15 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 03, 2009, 10:08:38 AM
Freddy Garcia equals Dogpile in Detroit. Shirtless hugs for everybody.
Magic number is still 2, no? Those Tiggers are going to look awfully silly making a dogpile after they clinch a tie.
Racist.
I thought it was one. That would be a very silly and Tiggerish thing to do.
SPLOOOOGE. This team is just amazing. Detroit gets baffled by Sweaty Freddie, while the Twins find a way to beat the hands-down favorite for the AL Cy Young. I might have a little bit of rooting interest left in this thing, after all.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 03, 2009, 10:06:41 PM
SPLOOOOGE. This team is just amazing. Detroit gets baffled by Sweaty Freddie, while the Twins find a way to beat the hands-down favorite for the AL Cy Young. I might have a little bit of rooting interest left in this thing, after all.
I love the Twins. The most amazing thing is this most recent run, at least over the last week or so, has been done without Joe Mauer really contributing too much. He hasn't done much damage, yet the rest of the team has picked him up. Who'd have thought that Delmon Young would be the hero this last week of the season?
Quote from: Weebs on October 04, 2009, 10:34:51 AM
I love the Twins.
So... It turns out that I hate the Twins.
This nugget this morning about Miguel Cabrera doing his best to help the Twins out. If I were a GM, this guy would be on my list of players I wouldn't get near with Joe Francis' cock.
http://www.freep.com/article/20091005/SPORTS02/91005019/1050/SPORTS/Police--Cabrera-was-drunk-during-fight-with-wife
QuotePolice found a damaged cell phone, and the gold chain Cabrera wears around his neck was broken, too. But when officers asked the couple what happened, neither would explain how they were injured, according to the report.
Cabrera's wife insisted he leave, and he agreed, so officers took him to the police department to be picked up by the Tigers.
After investigators determined both Cabrera and his wife were "aggressors" in the situation, Patterson said, the first baseman was released. Tigers general manager Dave Dombrowski picked Cabrera up at the station between 7:30 and 8 a.m. Saturday, he added.
Cabrera registered a .26 blood-alcohol level when tested by police, Commander Mark Clemence said. A person is considered drunk at .08.
Gota love a guy whose team is in a dogfight and decides he'll go out with his ex-teammates and get shit-faced (to the tune of at least .26) till 5 in the morning.
Quote from: Dave B on October 05, 2009, 11:57:08 AM
Gota love a guy whose team is in a dogfight and decides he'll go out with his ex-teammates and get shit-faced (to the tune of at least .26) till 5 in the morning.
My recommendation for Miguel, is that he consider hitting 7 or 8 home runs tomorrow night.
Imagine the off-season he will have if the Twins win the division. BTW, he was 0-4, 6 LOB on Saturday night.
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 12:06:55 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 05, 2009, 11:57:08 AM
Gota love a guy whose team is in a dogfight and decides he'll go out with his ex-teammates and get shit-faced (to the tune of at least .26) till 5 in the morning.
My recommendation for Miguel, is that he consider hitting 7 or 8 home runs tomorrow night.
Imagine the off-season he will have if the Twins win the division. BTW, he was 0-4, 6 LOB on Saturday night.
Yeah, Miggy definitely deserves to get killed the off-season if the Twins win tomorrow night seeing that he's .305/.408/.505 in September after putting up another monster year. Totally worth judging his entire season on two games though.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 12:10:01 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 12:06:55 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 05, 2009, 11:57:08 AM
Gota love a guy whose team is in a dogfight and decides he'll go out with his ex-teammates and get shit-faced (to the tune of at least .26) till 5 in the morning.
My recommendation for Miguel, is that he consider hitting 7 or 8 home runs tomorrow night.
Imagine the off-season he will have if the Twins win the division. BTW, he was 0-4, 6 LOB on Saturday night.
Yeah, Miggy definitely deserves to get killed the off-season if the Twins win tomorrow night seeing that he's .305/.408/.505 in September after putting up another monster year. Totally worth judging his entire season on two games though.
Man, you just LOOOOOOOVE the Tigers now, don't you?
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 12:10:01 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 12:06:55 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 05, 2009, 11:57:08 AM
Gota love a guy whose team is in a dogfight and decides he'll go out with his ex-teammates and get shit-faced (to the tune of at least .26) till 5 in the morning.
My recommendation for Miguel, is that he consider hitting 7 or 8 home runs tomorrow night.
Imagine the off-season he will have if the Twins win the division. BTW, he was 0-4, 6 LOB on Saturday night.
Yeah, Miggy definitely deserves to get killed the off-season if the Twins win tomorrow night seeing that he's .305/.408/.505 in September after putting up another monster year. Totally worth judging his entire season on two games though.
So it's OK to blow a freaking .26 if you've built up enough baseball capital through 160 games. Got it.
Is the $15M that the Tigers are paying him also the new league minimum?
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 12:12:30 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 12:10:01 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 12:06:55 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 05, 2009, 11:57:08 AM
Gota love a guy whose team is in a dogfight and decides he'll go out with his ex-teammates and get shit-faced (to the tune of at least .26) till 5 in the morning.
My recommendation for Miguel, is that he consider hitting 7 or 8 home runs tomorrow night.
Imagine the off-season he will have if the Twins win the division. BTW, he was 0-4, 6 LOB on Saturday night.
Yeah, Miggy definitely deserves to get killed the off-season if the Twins win tomorrow night seeing that he's .305/.408/.505 in September after putting up another monster year. Totally worth judging his entire season on two games though.
So it's OK to blow a freaking .26 if you've built up enough baseball capital through 160 games. Got it.
Is the $15M that the Tigers are paying him also the new league minimum?
Maybe he gets shitfaced every night...maybe that's part of his routine.
All I know is that Miguel Cabrera is one of the best...10-20 players in MLB on a year-to-year basis, I would probably give him the benefit of the doubt.
Also, let's be clear...this is baseball...it's not entirely impossible that you could get nice and liquored up and still be able to perform 14 hours later.
And I'm leaving the 2nd part of your question unanswered because I don't understand it.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 12:10:01 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 12:06:55 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 05, 2009, 11:57:08 AM
Gota love a guy whose team is in a dogfight and decides he'll go out with his ex-teammates and get shit-faced (to the tune of at least .26) till 5 in the morning.
My recommendation for Miguel, is that he consider hitting 7 or 8 home runs tomorrow night.
Imagine the off-season he will have if the Twins win the division. BTW, he was 0-4, 6 LOB on Saturday night.
Yeah, Miggy definitely deserves to get killed the off-season if the Twins win tomorrow night seeing that he's .305/.408/.505 in September after putting up another monster year. Totally worth judging his entire season on two games though.
The
whole off-season?
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 12:20:15 PM
And I'm leaving the 2nd part of your question unanswered because I don't understand it.
It was a smarmy way of saying that he gets paid a ton to be the good hitter that he is.
Also, there's drunk...and then there's .26 drunk.
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 12:26:44 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 12:20:15 PM
And I'm leaving the 2nd part of your question unanswered because I don't understand it.
It was a smarmy way of saying that he gets paid a ton to be the good hitter that he is.
Also, there's drunk...and then there's .26 drunk.
Okay, so he gets paid $15 million a year and he's worth $23.6 (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1744&position=1B/3B/OF)
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 12:30:29 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 12:26:44 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 12:20:15 PM
And I'm leaving the 2nd part of your question unanswered because I don't understand it.
It was a smarmy way of saying that he gets paid a ton to be the good hitter that he is.
Also, there's drunk...and then there's .26 drunk.
Okay, so he gets paid $15 million a year and he's worth $23.6 (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1744&position=1B/3B/OF)
So no one is arguing that he's bad at baseball.
Are you indicating that he's earned a Get Out of Jail free card here? Because he's SABRific, and because he's ONLY making $15M...that Detroit fans/media/pundits/random jerkoffs like myself have no reason to question him for blowing a .26 and getting into a fight with his wife the morning before
this game?
If that's the point you are making...with all due respect...that's a pretty retarded stance.
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 12:36:54 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 12:30:29 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 12:26:44 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 12:20:15 PM
And I'm leaving the 2nd part of your question unanswered because I don't understand it.
It was a smarmy way of saying that he gets paid a ton to be the good hitter that he is.
Also, there's drunk...and then there's .26 drunk.
Okay, so he gets paid $15 million a year and he's worth $23.6 (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1744&position=1B/3B/OF)
So no one is arguing that he's bad at baseball.
Are you indicating that he's earned a Get Out of Jail free card here? Because he's SABRific, and because he's ONLY making $15M...that Detroit fans/media/pundits/random jerkoffs like myself have no reason to question him for blowing a .26 and getting into a fight with his wife the morning before this game?
If that's the point you are making...with all due respect...that's a pretty retarded stance.
My only point was responding to your initial point:
Quote
My recommendation for Miguel, is that he consider hitting 7 or 8 home runs tomorrow night.
Imagine the off-season he will have if the Twins win the division. BTW, he was 0-4, 6 LOB on Saturday night.
Which seemed to indicate that if the Tigers don't win tonight, it's on his shoulders for getting drunk on Friday night, which is not a good point.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 12:45:21 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 12:36:54 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 12:30:29 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 12:26:44 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 12:20:15 PM
And I'm leaving the 2nd part of your question unanswered because I don't understand it.
It was a smarmy way of saying that he gets paid a ton to be the good hitter that he is.
Also, there's drunk...and then there's .26 drunk.
Okay, so he gets paid $15 million a year and he's worth $23.6 (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1744&position=1B/3B/OF)
So no one is arguing that he's bad at baseball.
Are you indicating that he's earned a Get Out of Jail free card here? Because he's SABRific, and because he's ONLY making $15M...that Detroit fans/media/pundits/random jerkoffs like myself have no reason to question him for blowing a .26 and getting into a fight with his wife the morning before this game?
If that's the point you are making...with all due respect...that's a pretty retarded stance.
My only point was responding to your initial point:
Quote
My recommendation for Miguel, is that he consider hitting 7 or 8 home runs tomorrow night.
Imagine the off-season he will have if the Twins win the division. BTW, he was 0-4, 6 LOB on Saturday night.
Which seemed to indicate that if the Tigers don't win tonight, it's on his shoulders for getting drunk on Friday night, which is not a good point.
If your stud hitter is doing anything other than focusing on baseball during the last weekend of a season that you have a one-game lead...then he deserves some shit. Is it on his shoulders alone? No. Nor did I remotely imply that.
You seem to be dodging my real question. Are you saying that his behavior is OK, and that he deserves absolutely no backlash assuming the facts are as reported?
How bout Cabrera's wife? Is there a reason she's nagging him at that hour of the night?
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 12:50:19 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 12:45:21 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 12:36:54 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 12:30:29 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 12:26:44 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 12:20:15 PM
And I'm leaving the 2nd part of your question unanswered because I don't understand it.
It was a smarmy way of saying that he gets paid a ton to be the good hitter that he is.
Also, there's drunk...and then there's .26 drunk.
Okay, so he gets paid $15 million a year and he's worth $23.6 (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1744&position=1B/3B/OF)
So no one is arguing that he's bad at baseball.
Are you indicating that he's earned a Get Out of Jail free card here? Because he's SABRific, and because he's ONLY making $15M...that Detroit fans/media/pundits/random jerkoffs like myself have no reason to question him for blowing a .26 and getting into a fight with his wife the morning before this game?
If that's the point you are making...with all due respect...that's a pretty retarded stance.
My only point was responding to your initial point:
Quote
My recommendation for Miguel, is that he consider hitting 7 or 8 home runs tomorrow night.
Imagine the off-season he will have if the Twins win the division. BTW, he was 0-4, 6 LOB on Saturday night.
Which seemed to indicate that if the Tigers don't win tonight, it's on his shoulders for getting drunk on Friday night, which is not a good point.
If your stud hitter is doing anything other than focusing on baseball during the last weekend of a season that you have a one-game lead...then he deserves some shit. Is it on his shoulders alone? No. Nor did I remotely imply that.
You seem to be dodging my real question. Are you saying that his behavior is OK, and that he deserves absolutely no backlash assuming the facts are as reported?
I think this is not a realistic approach here...as much as we would like to think that all these guys focus all the time on their jobs, it's just not reality.
We don't do that with our jobs either...it's not like none of us has ever gotten wasted before a big day at work.
He's obviously going to get grief for this, and as a fan, if this was Aramis maybe I'd feel differently, but I just don't see that he deserves some inordinate amount of blame for having 5-10 drinks too many after a game.
What if he was drinking to relate more to depressed, jobless Detroit autoworkers?
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 12:50:19 PM
You seem to be dodging my real question. Are you saying that his behavior is OK, and that he deserves absolutely no backlash assuming the facts are as reported?
I think he deserves to take some grief for his actions. That said, as Pen notes, he's one of the guys that got them to this point in the first place.
My bigger quibble is with this (a far cry from saying he deserves more than "absolutely no backlash" for this behavior)...
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 11:48:20 AM
If I were a GM, this guy would be on my list of players I wouldn't get near with Joe Francis' cock.
Are you saying you wouldn't want this CLUBHOUSE CANCER anywhere near the Cubs, for example?
Because
that would be a ludicrous thing to say.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 12:54:23 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 12:50:19 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 12:45:21 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 12:36:54 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 12:30:29 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 12:26:44 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 12:20:15 PM
And I'm leaving the 2nd part of your question unanswered because I don't understand it.
It was a smarmy way of saying that he gets paid a ton to be the good hitter that he is.
Also, there's drunk...and then there's .26 drunk.
Okay, so he gets paid $15 million a year and he's worth $23.6 (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1744&position=1B/3B/OF)
So no one is arguing that he's bad at baseball.
Are you indicating that he's earned a Get Out of Jail free card here? Because he's SABRific, and because he's ONLY making $15M...that Detroit fans/media/pundits/random jerkoffs like myself have no reason to question him for blowing a .26 and getting into a fight with his wife the morning before this game?
If that's the point you are making...with all due respect...that's a pretty retarded stance.
My only point was responding to your initial point:
Quote
My recommendation for Miguel, is that he consider hitting 7 or 8 home runs tomorrow night.
Imagine the off-season he will have if the Twins win the division. BTW, he was 0-4, 6 LOB on Saturday night.
Which seemed to indicate that if the Tigers don't win tonight, it's on his shoulders for getting drunk on Friday night, which is not a good point.
If your stud hitter is doing anything other than focusing on baseball during the last weekend of a season that you have a one-game lead...then he deserves some shit. Is it on his shoulders alone? No. Nor did I remotely imply that.
You seem to be dodging my real question. Are you saying that his behavior is OK, and that he deserves absolutely no backlash assuming the facts are as reported?
I think this is not a realistic approach here...as much as we would like to think that all these guys focus all the time on their jobs, it's just not reality.
We don't do that with our jobs either...it's not like none of us has ever gotten wasted before a big day at work.
He's obviously going to get grief for this, and as a fan, if this was Aramis maybe I'd feel differently, but I just don't see that he deserves some inordinate amount of blame for having 5-10 drinks too many after a game.
THIS. Sometimes I get shitfaced AT work. Glorious.
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 05, 2009, 01:02:23 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 12:54:23 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 12:50:19 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 12:45:21 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 12:36:54 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 12:30:29 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 12:26:44 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 12:20:15 PM
And I'm leaving the 2nd part of your question unanswered because I don't understand it.
It was a smarmy way of saying that he gets paid a ton to be the good hitter that he is.
Also, there's drunk...and then there's .26 drunk.
Okay, so he gets paid $15 million a year and he's worth $23.6 (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1744&position=1B/3B/OF)
So no one is arguing that he's bad at baseball.
Are you indicating that he's earned a Get Out of Jail free card here? Because he's SABRific, and because he's ONLY making $15M...that Detroit fans/media/pundits/random jerkoffs like myself have no reason to question him for blowing a .26 and getting into a fight with his wife the morning before this game?
If that's the point you are making...with all due respect...that's a pretty retarded stance.
My only point was responding to your initial point:
Quote
My recommendation for Miguel, is that he consider hitting 7 or 8 home runs tomorrow night.
Imagine the off-season he will have if the Twins win the division. BTW, he was 0-4, 6 LOB on Saturday night.
Which seemed to indicate that if the Tigers don't win tonight, it's on his shoulders for getting drunk on Friday night, which is not a good point.
If your stud hitter is doing anything other than focusing on baseball during the last weekend of a season that you have a one-game lead...then he deserves some shit. Is it on his shoulders alone? No. Nor did I remotely imply that.
You seem to be dodging my real question. Are you saying that his behavior is OK, and that he deserves absolutely no backlash assuming the facts are as reported?
I think this is not a realistic approach here...as much as we would like to think that all these guys focus all the time on their jobs, it's just not reality.
We don't do that with our jobs either...it's not like none of us has ever gotten wasted before a big day at work.
He's obviously going to get grief for this, and as a fan, if this was Aramis maybe I'd feel differently, but I just don't see that he deserves some inordinate amount of blame for having 5-10 drinks too many after a game.
THIS. Sometimes I get shitfaced AT work. Glorious.
To be fair...you're the jizzmopper at a Strip Club.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 01:03:22 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 05, 2009, 01:02:23 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 12:54:23 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 12:50:19 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 12:45:21 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 12:36:54 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 12:30:29 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 12:26:44 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 12:20:15 PM
And I'm leaving the 2nd part of your question unanswered because I don't understand it.
It was a smarmy way of saying that he gets paid a ton to be the good hitter that he is.
Also, there's drunk...and then there's .26 drunk.
Okay, so he gets paid $15 million a year and he's worth $23.6 (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1744&position=1B/3B/OF)
So no one is arguing that he's bad at baseball.
Are you indicating that he's earned a Get Out of Jail free card here? Because he's SABRific, and because he's ONLY making $15M...that Detroit fans/media/pundits/random jerkoffs like myself have no reason to question him for blowing a .26 and getting into a fight with his wife the morning before this game?
If that's the point you are making...with all due respect...that's a pretty retarded stance.
My only point was responding to your initial point:
Quote
My recommendation for Miguel, is that he consider hitting 7 or 8 home runs tomorrow night.
Imagine the off-season he will have if the Twins win the division. BTW, he was 0-4, 6 LOB on Saturday night.
Which seemed to indicate that if the Tigers don't win tonight, it's on his shoulders for getting drunk on Friday night, which is not a good point.
If your stud hitter is doing anything other than focusing on baseball during the last weekend of a season that you have a one-game lead...then he deserves some shit. Is it on his shoulders alone? No. Nor did I remotely imply that.
You seem to be dodging my real question. Are you saying that his behavior is OK, and that he deserves absolutely no backlash assuming the facts are as reported?
I think this is not a realistic approach here...as much as we would like to think that all these guys focus all the time on their jobs, it's just not reality.
We don't do that with our jobs either...it's not like none of us has ever gotten wasted before a big day at work.
He's obviously going to get grief for this, and as a fan, if this was Aramis maybe I'd feel differently, but I just don't see that he deserves some inordinate amount of blame for having 5-10 drinks too many after a game.
THIS. Sometimes I get shitfaced AT work. Glorious.
To be fair...you're the jizzmopper at a Strip Club.
Not yet, but one day.
Dare to dream...
I don't know the strip clubs that PenFoe goes to, but if I thought that there was jizz that needed to be mopped at any of the places I had visited in my youth, I never would have set foot inside. Gross.
Quote from: MAD on October 05, 2009, 01:10:44 PM
I don't know the strip clubs that PenFoe goes to, but if I thought that there was jizz that needed to be mopped at any of the places I had visited in my youth, I never would have set foot inside. Gross.
We get it, you're cheap.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 01:13:30 PM
Quote from: MAD on October 05, 2009, 01:10:44 PM
I don't know the strip clubs that PenFoe goes to, but if I thought that there was jizz that needed to be mopped at any of the places I had visited in my youth, I never would have set foot inside. Gross.
We get it, you're cheap.
Perhaps, but I mainly try to stay away from strip clubs that have jizz on the floor.
I love the fact that Cabrera was picked up from jail by GM Dave Dombrowski.
Quote from: Dave B on October 05, 2009, 01:33:36 PM
I love the fact that Cabrera was picked up from jail by GM Dave Dombrowski.
Nice choice, Jim.
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on October 05, 2009, 01:00:54 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 12:50:19 PM
You seem to be dodging my real question. Are you saying that his behavior is OK, and that he deserves absolutely no backlash assuming the facts are as reported?
I think he deserves to take some grief for his actions. That said, as Pen notes, he's one of the guys that got them to this point in the first place.
My bigger quibble is with this (a far cry from saying he deserves more than "absolutely no backlash" for this behavior)...
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 11:48:20 AM
If I were a GM, this guy would be on my list of players I wouldn't get near with Joe Francis' cock.
Are you saying you wouldn't want this CLUBHOUSE CANCER anywhere near the Cubs, for example?
Because that would be a ludicrous thing to say.
It's less about him being a "Clubhouse Cancer", and more about the fact that I'd be nervous paying this guy an average of $19M over seven years when he clearly doesn't take care of himself...and apparently, has some pretty shitty judgment to go along with it. If there's anything we've learned recently from the thrilling action of Cubs baseball...it should be the damage of bad/risky contracts that you can't unload.
Here's Cabrera's contract schedule: 08:$11.3M, 09:$15M, 10:$20M, 11:$20M, 12:$21M, 13:$21M, 14:$22M, 15:$22M
Sorry, you can have that. Also, First Basemen with low .900 OPS basically grow on trees. There were 12 of them that had a qualifying number of ABs. Cabrera was eighth on the list.
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_player_stats.jsp?teamPosCode=3&statType=1&timeFrame=1&c_id=mlb&statSet1=2&sitSplit=&venueID=§ion1=1&subScope=pos&baseballScope=mlb&timeSubFrame=2009&&sortByStat=OPS
So yea...I don't really feel like I need him for that price.
Quote from: MAD on October 05, 2009, 01:14:51 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 01:13:30 PM
Quote from: MAD on October 05, 2009, 01:10:44 PM
I don't know the strip clubs that PenFoe goes to, but if I thought that there was jizz that needed to be mopped at any of the places I had visited in my youth, I never would have set foot inside. Gross.
We get it, you're cheap.
Perhaps, but I mainly try to stay away from strip clubs that have jizz on the floor.
We get it, you've never been to a strip club.
Quote from: motown on October 05, 2009, 12:51:44 PM
How bout Cabrera's wife? Is there a reason she's nagging him at that hour of the night?
Quote from: BH on October 05, 2009, 12:56:21 PM
What if he was drinking to relate more to depressed, jobless Detroit autoworkers?
I love these posts.
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 02:03:36 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on October 05, 2009, 01:00:54 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 12:50:19 PM
You seem to be dodging my real question. Are you saying that his behavior is OK, and that he deserves absolutely no backlash assuming the facts are as reported?
I think he deserves to take some grief for his actions. That said, as Pen notes, he's one of the guys that got them to this point in the first place.
My bigger quibble is with this (a far cry from saying he deserves more than "absolutely no backlash" for this behavior)...
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 11:48:20 AM
If I were a GM, this guy would be on my list of players I wouldn't get near with Joe Francis' cock.
Are you saying you wouldn't want this CLUBHOUSE CANCER anywhere near the Cubs, for example?
Because that would be a ludicrous thing to say.
It's less about him being a "Clubhouse Cancer", and more about the fact that I'd be nervous paying this guy an average of $19M over seven years when he clearly doesn't take care of himself...and apparently, has some pretty shitty judgment to go along with it. If there's anything we've learned recently from the thrilling action of Cubs baseball...it should be the damage of bad/risky contracts that you can't unload.
Here's Cabrera's contract schedule: 08:$11.3M, 09:$15M, 10:$20M, 11:$20M, 12:$21M, 13:$21M, 14:$22M, 15:$22M
Sorry, you can have that. Also, First Basemen with low .900 OPS basically grow on trees. There were 12 of them that had a qualifying number of ABs. Cabrera was eighth on the list.
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_player_stats.jsp?teamPosCode=3&statType=1&timeFrame=1&c_id=mlb&statSet1=2&sitSplit=&venueID=§ion1=1&subScope=pos&baseballScope=mlb&timeSubFrame=2009&&sortByStat=OPS
So yea...I don't really feel like I need him for that price.
Michael Rosenberg subscribes to LDA's newsletter. (http://freep.com/article/20091005/COL22/91005038/1319/Tigers-need-to-ask-some-tough-questions-of-Cabrera)
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 02:40:31 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 02:03:36 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on October 05, 2009, 01:00:54 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 12:50:19 PM
You seem to be dodging my real question. Are you saying that his behavior is OK, and that he deserves absolutely no backlash assuming the facts are as reported?
I think he deserves to take some grief for his actions. That said, as Pen notes, he's one of the guys that got them to this point in the first place.
My bigger quibble is with this (a far cry from saying he deserves more than "absolutely no backlash" for this behavior)...
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 11:48:20 AM
If I were a GM, this guy would be on my list of players I wouldn't get near with Joe Francis' cock.
Are you saying you wouldn't want this CLUBHOUSE CANCER anywhere near the Cubs, for example?
Because that would be a ludicrous thing to say.
It's less about him being a "Clubhouse Cancer", and more about the fact that I'd be nervous paying this guy an average of $19M over seven years when he clearly doesn't take care of himself...and apparently, has some pretty shitty judgment to go along with it. If there's anything we've learned recently from the thrilling action of Cubs baseball...it should be the damage of bad/risky contracts that you can't unload.
Here's Cabrera's contract schedule: 08:$11.3M, 09:$15M, 10:$20M, 11:$20M, 12:$21M, 13:$21M, 14:$22M, 15:$22M
Sorry, you can have that. Also, First Basemen with low .900 OPS basically grow on trees. There were 12 of them that had a qualifying number of ABs. Cabrera was eighth on the list.
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_player_stats.jsp?teamPosCode=3&statType=1&timeFrame=1&c_id=mlb&statSet1=2&sitSplit=&venueID=§ion1=1&subScope=pos&baseballScope=mlb&timeSubFrame=2009&&sortByStat=OPS
So yea...I don't really feel like I need him for that price.
Michael Rosenberg subscribes to LDA's newsletter. (http://freep.com/article/20091005/COL22/91005038/1319/Tigers-need-to-ask-some-tough-questions-of-Cabrera)
Well, fraternizing with the opposing team in the middle of a pennant race, being drunk late on a "work" night, and smacking his wife around... that's one thing. But:
http://www.detnews.com/article/20091005/SPORTS0104/910050376/Tigers-warned-Cabrera-after-bar-altercation-in-August--reports-show (http://www.detnews.com/article/20091005/SPORTS0104/910050376/Tigers-warned-Cabrera-after-bar-altercation-in-August--reports-show)
Making fun of a fat kid? The straw that broke the camel's back. I'm lobbying my Tiger fan friends to start a campaign to trade this loser ASAP. To the Cubs.
Quote from: motown on October 05, 2009, 03:43:20 PM
Making fun of a fat kid? The straw that broke the camel's back. I'm lobbying my Tiger fan friends to start a campaign to trade this loser ASAP. To the Cubs.
Please don't. Miguel Cabreras grow on trees.
Quote from: motown on October 05, 2009, 03:43:20 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 02:40:31 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 02:03:36 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on October 05, 2009, 01:00:54 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 12:50:19 PM
You seem to be dodging my real question. Are you saying that his behavior is OK, and that he deserves absolutely no backlash assuming the facts are as reported?
I think he deserves to take some grief for his actions. That said, as Pen notes, he's one of the guys that got them to this point in the first place.
My bigger quibble is with this (a far cry from saying he deserves more than "absolutely no backlash" for this behavior)...
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 11:48:20 AM
If I were a GM, this guy would be on my list of players I wouldn't get near with Joe Francis' cock.
Are you saying you wouldn't want this CLUBHOUSE CANCER anywhere near the Cubs, for example?
Because that would be a ludicrous thing to say.
It's less about him being a "Clubhouse Cancer", and more about the fact that I'd be nervous paying this guy an average of $19M over seven years when he clearly doesn't take care of himself...and apparently, has some pretty shitty judgment to go along with it. If there's anything we've learned recently from the thrilling action of Cubs baseball...it should be the damage of bad/risky contracts that you can't unload.
Here's Cabrera's contract schedule: 08:$11.3M, 09:$15M, 10:$20M, 11:$20M, 12:$21M, 13:$21M, 14:$22M, 15:$22M
Sorry, you can have that. Also, First Basemen with low .900 OPS basically grow on trees. There were 12 of them that had a qualifying number of ABs. Cabrera was eighth on the list.
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_player_stats.jsp?teamPosCode=3&statType=1&timeFrame=1&c_id=mlb&statSet1=2&sitSplit=&venueID=§ion1=1&subScope=pos&baseballScope=mlb&timeSubFrame=2009&&sortByStat=OPS
So yea...I don't really feel like I need him for that price.
Michael Rosenberg subscribes to LDA's newsletter. (http://freep.com/article/20091005/COL22/91005038/1319/Tigers-need-to-ask-some-tough-questions-of-Cabrera)
Well, fraternizing with the opposing team in the middle of a pennant race, being drunk late on a "work" night, and smacking his wife around... that's one thing. But:
http://www.detnews.com/article/20091005/SPORTS0104/910050376/Tigers-warned-Cabrera-after-bar-altercation-in-August--reports-show (http://www.detnews.com/article/20091005/SPORTS0104/910050376/Tigers-warned-Cabrera-after-bar-altercation-in-August--reports-show)
Making fun of a fat kid? The straw that broke the camel's back. I'm lobbying my Tiger fan friends to start a campaign to trade this loser ASAP. To the Cubs.
Such a move would make make BananaHands devour some breakfast (http://thisiswhyyourefat.com/post/204282701/the-sausage-mcstuffin-sausage-mcmuffins-with) between heaving sobs.
Quote from: MAD on October 05, 2009, 03:47:16 PM
Quote from: motown on October 05, 2009, 03:43:20 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 02:40:31 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 02:03:36 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on October 05, 2009, 01:00:54 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 12:50:19 PM
You seem to be dodging my real question. Are you saying that his behavior is OK, and that he deserves absolutely no backlash assuming the facts are as reported?
I think he deserves to take some grief for his actions. That said, as Pen notes, he's one of the guys that got them to this point in the first place.
My bigger quibble is with this (a far cry from saying he deserves more than "absolutely no backlash" for this behavior)...
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 11:48:20 AM
If I were a GM, this guy would be on my list of players I wouldn't get near with Joe Francis' cock.
Are you saying you wouldn't want this CLUBHOUSE CANCER anywhere near the Cubs, for example?
Because that would be a ludicrous thing to say.
It's less about him being a "Clubhouse Cancer", and more about the fact that I'd be nervous paying this guy an average of $19M over seven years when he clearly doesn't take care of himself...and apparently, has some pretty shitty judgment to go along with it. If there's anything we've learned recently from the thrilling action of Cubs baseball...it should be the damage of bad/risky contracts that you can't unload.
Here's Cabrera's contract schedule: 08:$11.3M, 09:$15M, 10:$20M, 11:$20M, 12:$21M, 13:$21M, 14:$22M, 15:$22M
Sorry, you can have that. Also, First Basemen with low .900 OPS basically grow on trees. There were 12 of them that had a qualifying number of ABs. Cabrera was eighth on the list.
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_player_stats.jsp?teamPosCode=3&statType=1&timeFrame=1&c_id=mlb&statSet1=2&sitSplit=&venueID=§ion1=1&subScope=pos&baseballScope=mlb&timeSubFrame=2009&&sortByStat=OPS
So yea...I don't really feel like I need him for that price.
Michael Rosenberg subscribes to LDA's newsletter. (http://freep.com/article/20091005/COL22/91005038/1319/Tigers-need-to-ask-some-tough-questions-of-Cabrera)
Well, fraternizing with the opposing team in the middle of a pennant race, being drunk late on a "work" night, and smacking his wife around... that's one thing. But:
http://www.detnews.com/article/20091005/SPORTS0104/910050376/Tigers-warned-Cabrera-after-bar-altercation-in-August--reports-show (http://www.detnews.com/article/20091005/SPORTS0104/910050376/Tigers-warned-Cabrera-after-bar-altercation-in-August--reports-show)
Making fun of a fat kid? The straw that broke the camel's back. I'm lobbying my Tiger fan friends to start a campaign to trade this loser ASAP. To the Cubs.
Such a move would make make BananaHands devour some breakfast (http://thisiswhyyourefat.com/post/204282701/the-sausage-mcstuffin-sausage-mcmuffins-with) between heaving sobs.
Cabrera was a fat kid, he can make fun of other fat kids. It's a rule.
It's why Fork can make fun of unfunny people.
Quote from: BH on October 05, 2009, 03:51:31 PM
Quote from: MAD on October 05, 2009, 03:47:16 PM
Quote from: motown on October 05, 2009, 03:43:20 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 05, 2009, 02:40:31 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 02:03:36 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on October 05, 2009, 01:00:54 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 12:50:19 PM
You seem to be dodging my real question. Are you saying that his behavior is OK, and that he deserves absolutely no backlash assuming the facts are as reported?
I think he deserves to take some grief for his actions. That said, as Pen notes, he's one of the guys that got them to this point in the first place.
My bigger quibble is with this (a far cry from saying he deserves more than "absolutely no backlash" for this behavior)...
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 11:48:20 AM
If I were a GM, this guy would be on my list of players I wouldn't get near with Joe Francis' cock.
Are you saying you wouldn't want this CLUBHOUSE CANCER anywhere near the Cubs, for example?
Because that would be a ludicrous thing to say.
It's less about him being a "Clubhouse Cancer", and more about the fact that I'd be nervous paying this guy an average of $19M over seven years when he clearly doesn't take care of himself...and apparently, has some pretty shitty judgment to go along with it. If there's anything we've learned recently from the thrilling action of Cubs baseball...it should be the damage of bad/risky contracts that you can't unload.
Here's Cabrera's contract schedule: 08:$11.3M, 09:$15M, 10:$20M, 11:$20M, 12:$21M, 13:$21M, 14:$22M, 15:$22M
Sorry, you can have that. Also, First Basemen with low .900 OPS basically grow on trees. There were 12 of them that had a qualifying number of ABs. Cabrera was eighth on the list.
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_player_stats.jsp?teamPosCode=3&statType=1&timeFrame=1&c_id=mlb&statSet1=2&sitSplit=&venueID=§ion1=1&subScope=pos&baseballScope=mlb&timeSubFrame=2009&&sortByStat=OPS
So yea...I don't really feel like I need him for that price.
Michael Rosenberg subscribes to LDA's newsletter. (http://freep.com/article/20091005/COL22/91005038/1319/Tigers-need-to-ask-some-tough-questions-of-Cabrera)
Well, fraternizing with the opposing team in the middle of a pennant race, being drunk late on a "work" night, and smacking his wife around... that's one thing. But:
http://www.detnews.com/article/20091005/SPORTS0104/910050376/Tigers-warned-Cabrera-after-bar-altercation-in-August--reports-show (http://www.detnews.com/article/20091005/SPORTS0104/910050376/Tigers-warned-Cabrera-after-bar-altercation-in-August--reports-show)
Making fun of a fat kid? The straw that broke the camel's back. I'm lobbying my Tiger fan friends to start a campaign to trade this loser ASAP. To the Cubs.
Such a move would make make BananaHands devour some breakfast (http://thisiswhyyourefat.com/post/204282701/the-sausage-mcstuffin-sausage-mcmuffins-with) between heaving sobs.
Cabrera was a fat kid, he can make fun of other fat kids. It's a rule.
It's why Fork can make fun of unfunny people.
Why Mike Douche can call mentally challenged people "retards" while wearing a bike helmet.
So you guys think the upgrade from Lee to Cabrera is really worth $7M extra per season along with a 4-year investment at that cost?
It's fine to say "Bring Miggy here"....but the Cubs don't really need him. They certainly don't need his price tag...current state of affairs as they are. Not unless you still believe this is all Monopoly money to the guys who will soon own the team.
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 03:55:06 PM
So you guys think the upgrade from Lee to Cabrera is really worth $7M extra per season along with a 4-year investment at that cost?
It's fine to say "Bring Miggy here"....but the Cubs don't really need him. They certainly don't need his price tag...current state of affairs as they are. Not unless you still believe this is all Monopoly money to the guys who will soon own the team.
I don't think anyone actually meant to trade for Miggy or figured out the logistics of how it would work, just that he's awesome and it would be great if he was on the Cubs.
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 02:03:36 PM
Sorry, you can have that. Also, First Basemen with low .900 OPS basically grow on trees. There were 12 of them that had a qualifying number of ABs. Cabrera was eighth on the list.
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_player_stats.jsp?teamPosCode=3&statType=1&timeFrame=1&c_id=mlb&statSet1=2&sitSplit=&venueID=§ion1=1&subScope=pos&baseballScope=mlb&timeSubFrame=2009&&sortByStat=OPS
I'm not saying Cabrera's worth the price, but you do realize 2 ABs
is not qualifying for anything other than not mattering in any way.
A good rule of thumb that you might consider using is any list that
says Justin Huber is the 4th best 1B in the MLB is wrong.
Lee will be 34 and has a career 125 OPS+
Fatty will be 27 and has a career 140 OPS+
I like Lee, he's under contract, no way in the world the Cubs get
Cabrera, so it's a silly topic.
But to call him the 12th best 1B in the league is crazy crazy crazy
crazy sauce.
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 03:55:06 PM
So you guys think the upgrade from Lee to Cabrera is really worth $7M extra per season along with a 4-year investment at that cost?
No one is talking about this.
The Cubs need to trade for Cabrera and hire Ryne Sandberg as manager to keep him in line.
Cubs offseason
1. Milton for Miggy
2. ...
3. Profit
Quote from: Pre on October 05, 2009, 04:15:08 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 02:03:36 PM
Sorry, you can have that. Also, First Basemen with low .900 OPS basically grow on trees. There were 12 of them that had a qualifying number of ABs. Cabrera was eighth on the list.
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_player_stats.jsp?teamPosCode=3&statType=1&timeFrame=1&c_id=mlb&statSet1=2&sitSplit=&venueID=§ion1=1&subScope=pos&baseballScope=mlb&timeSubFrame=2009&&sortByStat=OPS
I'm not saying Cabrera's worth the price, but you do realize 2 ABs
is not qualifying for anything other than not mattering in any way.
A good rule of thumb that you might consider using is any list that
says Justin Huber is the 4th best 1B in the MLB is wrong.
Lee will be 34 and has a career 125 OPS+
Fatty will be 27 and has a career 140 OPS+
I like Lee, he's under contract, no way in the world the Cubs get
Cabrera, so it's a silly topic.
But to call him the 12th best 1B in the league is crazy crazy crazy
crazy sauce.
I didn't say he was the 12th best, I was trying to say that there were 12 first basemen with more than 500 PAs (qualifying) that were over .900 OPS. What he gives you is not completely irreplaceable.
My comment was entirely based on whether or not I (as a GM) would want him on my team for $20M. The answer is still no.
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 09:02:55 PM
My comment was entirely based on whether or not I (as a GM) would want him on my team for $20M. The answer is still no.
Fair, I can't argue against whether you as a hypothetical GM would want him on your
hypothetical team. I will note that fangraphs puts him being worth an average of
$21 million a year over the last 5. And that's not factoring that you always pay more
for players past arbitration.
I think the closest you could do as far as a comparable player is Teixeira, the two of
them have crazy similar numbers over the last 5 years. Teixeira got 22.5M a year
compared to Miguel's 19M. And Cabrara is 3 years younger.
Obviously it would be better to have Evan Longoria on your hypothetical team, but
since we're not Weebs deciding to do a draft for his MLB2K10 league, it's not a
reasonable comparison.
Cabrera's contract fits well into the good side of baseball deals.
Yeah, not much to worry about here:
Tigers warned Cabrera after bar altercation in August, reports show
Mike Martindale / The Detroit News
Birmingham -- During an altercation at a Birmingham bar in August, Detroit Tigers slugger Miguel Cabrera allegedly mocked a teenager about his weight and challenged a man to a fight in an incident that resulted in no criminal charges but prompted Tigers management to order Cabrera to avoid the bar, according to information provided to The Detroit News.
But Cabrera apparently returned to the Townsend on Saturday, police said, in the hours before he returned home drunk and got into a fight with his wife that prompted a call to police. Cabrera was taken from the home by police but not charged.
A representative of the Tigers told police that Cabrera admitted he lost his composure on Aug. 31 in the Rugby Grille at the Townsend Hotel and blamed it on his recent batting woes and marital troubles with his wife. He had just gone 1 for 14 against Tampa Bay and told Tigers officials his wife had returned to their native Venezuela.
Quote from: Dave B on October 06, 2009, 08:28:04 AM
Yeah, not much to worry about here:
Tigers warned Cabrera after bar altercation in August, reports show
Mike Martindale / The Detroit News
Birmingham -- During an altercation at a Birmingham bar in August, Detroit Tigers slugger Miguel Cabrera allegedly mocked a teenager about his weight and challenged a man to a fight in an incident that resulted in no criminal charges but prompted Tigers management to order Cabrera to avoid the bar, according to information provided to The Detroit News.
But Cabrera apparently returned to the Townsend on Saturday, police said, in the hours before he returned home drunk and got into a fight with his wife that prompted a call to police. Cabrera was taken from the home by police but not charged.
A representative of the Tigers told police that Cabrera admitted he lost his composure on Aug. 31 in the Rugby Grille at the Townsend Hotel and blamed it on his recent batting woes and marital troubles with his wife. He had just gone 1 for 14 against Tampa Bay and told Tigers officials his wife had returned to their native Venezuela.
It's ridiculous that the Townsend hotel didn't put up a celebrity after they had a good time at their bar.
Quote from: BH on October 06, 2009, 09:08:30 AM
Quote from: Dave B on October 06, 2009, 08:28:04 AM
Yeah, not much to worry about here:
Tigers warned Cabrera after bar altercation in August, reports show
Mike Martindale / The Detroit News
Birmingham -- During an altercation at a Birmingham bar in August, Detroit Tigers slugger Miguel Cabrera allegedly mocked a teenager about his weight and challenged a man to a fight in an incident that resulted in no criminal charges but prompted Tigers management to order Cabrera to avoid the bar, according to information provided to The Detroit News.
But Cabrera apparently returned to the Townsend on Saturday, police said, in the hours before he returned home drunk and got into a fight with his wife that prompted a call to police. Cabrera was taken from the home by police but not charged.
A representative of the Tigers told police that Cabrera admitted he lost his composure on Aug. 31 in the Rugby Grille at the Townsend Hotel and blamed it on his recent batting woes and marital troubles with his wife. He had just gone 1 for 14 against Tampa Bay and told Tigers officials his wife had returned to their native Venezuela.
It's ridiculous that the Townsend hotel didn't put up a celebrity after they had a good time at their bar.
What is a major league player doing in Birmingham in August?
Quote from: Fork on October 06, 2009, 09:11:42 AM
Quote from: BH on October 06, 2009, 09:08:30 AM
Quote from: Dave B on October 06, 2009, 08:28:04 AM
Yeah, not much to worry about here:
Tigers warned Cabrera after bar altercation in August, reports show
Mike Martindale / The Detroit News
Birmingham -- During an altercation at a Birmingham bar in August, Detroit Tigers slugger Miguel Cabrera allegedly mocked a teenager about his weight and challenged a man to a fight in an incident that resulted in no criminal charges but prompted Tigers management to order Cabrera to avoid the bar, according to information provided to The Detroit News.
But Cabrera apparently returned to the Townsend on Saturday, police said, in the hours before he returned home drunk and got into a fight with his wife that prompted a call to police. Cabrera was taken from the home by police but not charged.
A representative of the Tigers told police that Cabrera admitted he lost his composure on Aug. 31 in the Rugby Grille at the Townsend Hotel and blamed it on his recent batting woes and marital troubles with his wife. He had just gone 1 for 14 against Tampa Bay and told Tigers officials his wife had returned to their native Venezuela.
It's ridiculous that the Townsend hotel didn't put up a celebrity after they had a good time at their bar.
What is a major league player doing in Birmingham in August?
If it's Mark Prior, he's visiting Dr. Andrews.
But I assume this was Birmingham, Michigan.
Quote from: Fork on October 06, 2009, 09:11:42 AM
Quote from: BH on October 06, 2009, 09:08:30 AM
Quote from: Dave B on October 06, 2009, 08:28:04 AM
Yeah, not much to worry about here:
Tigers warned Cabrera after bar altercation in August, reports show
Mike Martindale / The Detroit News
Birmingham -- During an altercation at a Birmingham bar in August, Detroit Tigers slugger Miguel Cabrera allegedly mocked a teenager about his weight and challenged a man to a fight in an incident that resulted in no criminal charges but prompted Tigers management to order Cabrera to avoid the bar, according to information provided to The Detroit News.
But Cabrera apparently returned to the Townsend on Saturday, police said, in the hours before he returned home drunk and got into a fight with his wife that prompted a call to police. Cabrera was taken from the home by police but not charged.
A representative of the Tigers told police that Cabrera admitted he lost his composure on Aug. 31 in the Rugby Grille at the Townsend Hotel and blamed it on his recent batting woes and marital troubles with his wife. He had just gone 1 for 14 against Tampa Bay and told Tigers officials his wife had returned to their native Venezuela.
It's ridiculous that the Townsend hotel didn't put up a celebrity after they had a good time at their bar.
What is a major league player doing in Birmingham in August?
Birmingham's an upscale suburb of a Detroit, dum-dum.
Quote from: MAD on October 06, 2009, 09:15:14 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 06, 2009, 09:11:42 AM
Quote from: BH on October 06, 2009, 09:08:30 AM
Quote from: Dave B on October 06, 2009, 08:28:04 AM
Yeah, not much to worry about here:
Tigers warned Cabrera after bar altercation in August, reports show
Mike Martindale / The Detroit News
Birmingham -- During an altercation at a Birmingham bar in August, Detroit Tigers slugger Miguel Cabrera allegedly mocked a teenager about his weight and challenged a man to a fight in an incident that resulted in no criminal charges but prompted Tigers management to order Cabrera to avoid the bar, according to information provided to The Detroit News.
But Cabrera apparently returned to the Townsend on Saturday, police said, in the hours before he returned home drunk and got into a fight with his wife that prompted a call to police. Cabrera was taken from the home by police but not charged.
A representative of the Tigers told police that Cabrera admitted he lost his composure on Aug. 31 in the Rugby Grille at the Townsend Hotel and blamed it on his recent batting woes and marital troubles with his wife. He had just gone 1 for 14 against Tampa Bay and told Tigers officials his wife had returned to their native Venezuela.
It's ridiculous that the Townsend hotel didn't put up a celebrity after they had a good time at their bar.
What is a major league player doing in Birmingham in August?
Birmingham's an upscale suburb of a Detroit, dum-dum.
Gazoo?`
Quote from: MAD on October 06, 2009, 09:15:14 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 06, 2009, 09:11:42 AM
Quote from: BH on October 06, 2009, 09:08:30 AM
Quote from: Dave B on October 06, 2009, 08:28:04 AM
Yeah, not much to worry about here:
Tigers warned Cabrera after bar altercation in August, reports show
Mike Martindale / The Detroit News
Birmingham -- During an altercation at a Birmingham bar in August, Detroit Tigers slugger Miguel Cabrera allegedly mocked a teenager about his weight and challenged a man to a fight in an incident that resulted in no criminal charges but prompted Tigers management to order Cabrera to avoid the bar, according to information provided to The Detroit News.
But Cabrera apparently returned to the Townsend on Saturday, police said, in the hours before he returned home drunk and got into a fight with his wife that prompted a call to police. Cabrera was taken from the home by police but not charged.
A representative of the Tigers told police that Cabrera admitted he lost his composure on Aug. 31 in the Rugby Grille at the Townsend Hotel and blamed it on his recent batting woes and marital troubles with his wife. He had just gone 1 for 14 against Tampa Bay and told Tigers officials his wife had returned to their native Venezuela.
It's ridiculous that the Townsend hotel didn't put up a celebrity after they had a good time at their bar.
What is a major league player doing in Birmingham in August?
Birmingham's an upscale suburb of a Detroit, dum-dum.
I'd hate to see any suburb that's downscale from Detroit.
Quote from: Fork on October 06, 2009, 09:25:41 AM
Quote from: MAD on October 06, 2009, 09:15:14 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 06, 2009, 09:11:42 AM
Quote from: BH on October 06, 2009, 09:08:30 AM
Quote from: Dave B on October 06, 2009, 08:28:04 AM
Yeah, not much to worry about here:
Tigers warned Cabrera after bar altercation in August, reports show
Mike Martindale / The Detroit News
Birmingham -- During an altercation at a Birmingham bar in August, Detroit Tigers slugger Miguel Cabrera allegedly mocked a teenager about his weight and challenged a man to a fight in an incident that resulted in no criminal charges but prompted Tigers management to order Cabrera to avoid the bar, according to information provided to The Detroit News.
But Cabrera apparently returned to the Townsend on Saturday, police said, in the hours before he returned home drunk and got into a fight with his wife that prompted a call to police. Cabrera was taken from the home by police but not charged.
A representative of the Tigers told police that Cabrera admitted he lost his composure on Aug. 31 in the Rugby Grille at the Townsend Hotel and blamed it on his recent batting woes and marital troubles with his wife. He had just gone 1 for 14 against Tampa Bay and told Tigers officials his wife had returned to their native Venezuela.
It's ridiculous that the Townsend hotel didn't put up a celebrity after they had a good time at their bar.
What is a major league player doing in Birmingham in August?
Birmingham's an upscale suburb of a Detroit, dum-dum.
I'd hate to see any suburb that's downscale from Detroit.
Have you been to Birmingham, it's got serious zazz. It's a very rich area.
What am I talking about, you've probably had some cool experiences there that hopefully you can share with us.
Quote from: BH on October 06, 2009, 09:30:08 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 06, 2009, 09:25:41 AM
Quote from: MAD on October 06, 2009, 09:15:14 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 06, 2009, 09:11:42 AM
Quote from: BH on October 06, 2009, 09:08:30 AM
Quote from: Dave B on October 06, 2009, 08:28:04 AM
Yeah, not much to worry about here:
Tigers warned Cabrera after bar altercation in August, reports show
Mike Martindale / The Detroit News
Birmingham -- During an altercation at a Birmingham bar in August, Detroit Tigers slugger Miguel Cabrera allegedly mocked a teenager about his weight and challenged a man to a fight in an incident that resulted in no criminal charges but prompted Tigers management to order Cabrera to avoid the bar, according to information provided to The Detroit News.
But Cabrera apparently returned to the Townsend on Saturday, police said, in the hours before he returned home drunk and got into a fight with his wife that prompted a call to police. Cabrera was taken from the home by police but not charged.
A representative of the Tigers told police that Cabrera admitted he lost his composure on Aug. 31 in the Rugby Grille at the Townsend Hotel and blamed it on his recent batting woes and marital troubles with his wife. He had just gone 1 for 14 against Tampa Bay and told Tigers officials his wife had returned to their native Venezuela.
It's ridiculous that the Townsend hotel didn't put up a celebrity after they had a good time at their bar.
What is a major league player doing in Birmingham in August?
Birmingham's an upscale suburb of a Detroit, dum-dum.
I'd hate to see any suburb that's downscale from Detroit.
Have you been to Birmingham, it's got serious zazz. It's a very rich area.
What am I talking about, you've probably had some cool experiences there that hopefully you can share with us.
I partied in Hamtramck.
I thought the reason athletes went to bars in hotels was so they had a convenient place to bang skanks and to crash when they got their blood-alcohol level up around .300?
Quote from: Andy on October 06, 2009, 10:19:25 AM
I thought the reason athletes went to bars in hotels was so they had a convenient place to bang skanks and to crash when they got their blood-alcohol level up around .300?
BAC is a bullshit stat.
I still rate ballplayers the traditional way: beers slammed plus skanks batted in.
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on October 06, 2009, 11:18:09 AM
Quote from: Andy on October 06, 2009, 10:19:25 AM
I thought the reason athletes went to bars in hotels was so they had a convenient place to bang skanks and to crash when they got their blood-alcohol level up around .300?
BAC is a bullshit stat.
I still rate ballplayers the traditional way: beers slammed plus skanks batted in.
Don't forget ribbies.
Quote from: Pre on October 05, 2009, 11:38:29 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 09:02:55 PM
My comment was entirely based on whether or not I (as a GM) would want him on my team for $20M. The answer is still no.
Fair, I can't argue against whether you as a hypothetical GM would want him on your
hypothetical team. I will note that fangraphs puts him being worth an average of
$21 million a year over the last 5. And that's not factoring that you always pay more
for players past arbitration.
I think the closest you could do as far as a comparable player is Teixeira, the two of
them have crazy similar numbers over the last 5 years. Teixeira got 22.5M a year
compared to Miguel's 19M. And Cabrara is 3 years younger.
Obviously it would be better to have Evan Longoria on your hypothetical team, but
since we're not Weebs deciding to do a draft for his MLB2K10 league, it's not a
reasonable comparison.
Cabrera's contract fits well into the good side of baseball deals.
He's a very, very good hitter. The argument could be made that he's worth $20M if he went about his business like Derrek Lee. But he doesn't.
I think that if this was his contract year, considering the weight issues he's had...and factoring his off-field behavior...most GMs (not all) would say "You know, I'm not real excited about committing my money to
this for seven years. I'll go after Nick Johnson and spend less than half the money."
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 06, 2009, 01:09:17 PM
Quote from: Pre on October 05, 2009, 11:38:29 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 09:02:55 PM
My comment was entirely based on whether or not I (as a GM) would want him on my team for $20M. The answer is still no.
Fair, I can't argue against whether you as a hypothetical GM would want him on your
hypothetical team. I will note that fangraphs puts him being worth an average of
$21 million a year over the last 5. And that's not factoring that you always pay more
for players past arbitration.
I think the closest you could do as far as a comparable player is Teixeira, the two of
them have crazy similar numbers over the last 5 years. Teixeira got 22.5M a year
compared to Miguel's 19M. And Cabrara is 3 years younger.
Obviously it would be better to have Evan Longoria on your hypothetical team, but
since we're not Weebs deciding to do a draft for his MLB2K10 league, it's not a
reasonable comparison.
Cabrera's contract fits well into the good side of baseball deals.
He's a very, very good hitter. The argument could be made that he's worth $20M if he went about his business like Derrek Lee. But he doesn't.
I think that if this was his contract year, considering the weight issues he's had...and factoring his off-field behavior...most GMs (not all) would say "You know, I'm not real excited about committing my money to this for seven years. I'll go after Nick Johnson and spend less than half the money."
... and get less than half the player.
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 06, 2009, 01:09:17 PM
Quote from: Pre on October 05, 2009, 11:38:29 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 09:02:55 PM
My comment was entirely based on whether or not I (as a GM) would want him on my team for $20M. The answer is still no.
Fair, I can't argue against whether you as a hypothetical GM would want him on your
hypothetical team. I will note that fangraphs puts him being worth an average of
$21 million a year over the last 5. And that's not factoring that you always pay more
for players past arbitration.
I think the closest you could do as far as a comparable player is Teixeira, the two of
them have crazy similar numbers over the last 5 years. Teixeira got 22.5M a year
compared to Miguel's 19M. And Cabrara is 3 years younger.
Obviously it would be better to have Evan Longoria on your hypothetical team, but
since we're not Weebs deciding to do a draft for his MLB2K10 league, it's not a
reasonable comparison.
Cabrera's contract fits well into the good side of baseball deals.
He's a very, very good hitter. The argument could be made that he's worth $20M if he went about his business like Derrek Lee. But he doesn't.
I think that if this was his contract year, considering the weight issues he's had...and factoring his off-field behavior...most GMs (not all) would say "You know, I'm not real excited about committing my money to this for seven years. I'll go after Nick Johnson and spend less than half the money."
And that's why we have teams like the Nationals.
Quote from: ChuckD on October 06, 2009, 01:17:17 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 06, 2009, 01:09:17 PM
Quote from: Pre on October 05, 2009, 11:38:29 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 09:02:55 PM
My comment was entirely based on whether or not I (as a GM) would want him on my team for $20M. The answer is still no.
Fair, I can't argue against whether you as a hypothetical GM would want him on your
hypothetical team. I will note that fangraphs puts him being worth an average of
$21 million a year over the last 5. And that's not factoring that you always pay more
for players past arbitration.
I think the closest you could do as far as a comparable player is Teixeira, the two of
them have crazy similar numbers over the last 5 years. Teixeira got 22.5M a year
compared to Miguel's 19M. And Cabrara is 3 years younger.
Obviously it would be better to have Evan Longoria on your hypothetical team, but
since we're not Weebs deciding to do a draft for his MLB2K10 league, it's not a
reasonable comparison.
Cabrera's contract fits well into the good side of baseball deals.
He's a very, very good hitter. The argument could be made that he's worth $20M if he went about his business like Derrek Lee. But he doesn't.
I think that if this was his contract year, considering the weight issues he's had...and factoring his off-field behavior...most GMs (not all) would say "You know, I'm not real excited about committing my money to this for seven years. I'll go after Nick Johnson and spend less than half the money."
... and get less than half the player.
I could gladly live with someone who has a .400 OBP every season.
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 06, 2009, 01:42:41 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 06, 2009, 01:17:17 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 06, 2009, 01:09:17 PM
Quote from: Pre on October 05, 2009, 11:38:29 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 09:02:55 PM
My comment was entirely based on whether or not I (as a GM) would want him on my team for $20M. The answer is still no.
Fair, I can't argue against whether you as a hypothetical GM would want him on your
hypothetical team. I will note that fangraphs puts him being worth an average of
$21 million a year over the last 5. And that's not factoring that you always pay more
for players past arbitration.
I think the closest you could do as far as a comparable player is Teixeira, the two of
them have crazy similar numbers over the last 5 years. Teixeira got 22.5M a year
compared to Miguel's 19M. And Cabrara is 3 years younger.
Obviously it would be better to have Evan Longoria on your hypothetical team, but
since we're not Weebs deciding to do a draft for his MLB2K10 league, it's not a
reasonable comparison.
Cabrera's contract fits well into the good side of baseball deals.
He's a very, very good hitter. The argument could be made that he's worth $20M if he went about his business like Derrek Lee. But he doesn't.
I think that if this was his contract year, considering the weight issues he's had...and factoring his off-field behavior...most GMs (not all) would say "You know, I'm not real excited about committing my money to this for seven years. I'll go after Nick Johnson and spend less than half the money."
... and get less than half the player.
I could gladly live with someone who has a .400 OBP every season.
That's great for the 74 games he plays a year.
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 06, 2009, 01:42:41 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 06, 2009, 01:17:17 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 06, 2009, 01:09:17 PM
Quote from: Pre on October 05, 2009, 11:38:29 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 09:02:55 PM
My comment was entirely based on whether or not I (as a GM) would want him on my team for $20M. The answer is still no.
Fair, I can't argue against whether you as a hypothetical GM would want him on your
hypothetical team. I will note that fangraphs puts him being worth an average of
$21 million a year over the last 5. And that's not factoring that you always pay more
for players past arbitration.
I think the closest you could do as far as a comparable player is Teixeira, the two of
them have crazy similar numbers over the last 5 years. Teixeira got 22.5M a year
compared to Miguel's 19M. And Cabrara is 3 years younger.
Obviously it would be better to have Evan Longoria on your hypothetical team, but
since we're not Weebs deciding to do a draft for his MLB2K10 league, it's not a
reasonable comparison.
Cabrera's contract fits well into the good side of baseball deals.
He's a very, very good hitter. The argument could be made that he's worth $20M if he went about his business like Derrek Lee. But he doesn't.
I think that if this was his contract year, considering the weight issues he's had...and factoring his off-field behavior...most GMs (not all) would say "You know, I'm not real excited about committing my money to this for seven years. I'll go after Nick Johnson and spend less than half the money."
... and get less than half the player.
I could gladly live with someone who has a .400 OBP every season.
Injuries be damned?
EDIT: Eli faced me.
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2009, 01:47:10 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 06, 2009, 01:42:41 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 06, 2009, 01:17:17 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 06, 2009, 01:09:17 PM
Quote from: Pre on October 05, 2009, 11:38:29 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 09:02:55 PM
My comment was entirely based on whether or not I (as a GM) would want him on my team for $20M. The answer is still no.
Fair, I can't argue against whether you as a hypothetical GM would want him on your
hypothetical team. I will note that fangraphs puts him being worth an average of
$21 million a year over the last 5. And that's not factoring that you always pay more
for players past arbitration.
I think the closest you could do as far as a comparable player is Teixeira, the two of
them have crazy similar numbers over the last 5 years. Teixeira got 22.5M a year
compared to Miguel's 19M. And Cabrara is 3 years younger.
Obviously it would be better to have Evan Longoria on your hypothetical team, but
since we're not Weebs deciding to do a draft for his MLB2K10 league, it's not a
reasonable comparison.
Cabrera's contract fits well into the good side of baseball deals.
He's a very, very good hitter. The argument could be made that he's worth $20M if he went about his business like Derrek Lee. But he doesn't.
I think that if this was his contract year, considering the weight issues he's had...and factoring his off-field behavior...most GMs (not all) would say "You know, I'm not real excited about committing my money to this for seven years. I'll go after Nick Johnson and spend less than half the money."
... and get less than half the player.
I could gladly live with someone who has a .400 OBP every season.
That's great for the 74 games he plays a year.
Throw in some mental problems and he's practically Milton Bradley!
Quote from: CT III on October 06, 2009, 02:05:20 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2009, 01:47:10 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 06, 2009, 01:42:41 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 06, 2009, 01:17:17 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 06, 2009, 01:09:17 PM
Quote from: Pre on October 05, 2009, 11:38:29 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 09:02:55 PM
My comment was entirely based on whether or not I (as a GM) would want him on my team for $20M. The answer is still no.
Fair, I can't argue against whether you as a hypothetical GM would want him on your
hypothetical team. I will note that fangraphs puts him being worth an average of
$21 million a year over the last 5. And that's not factoring that you always pay more
for players past arbitration.
I think the closest you could do as far as a comparable player is Teixeira, the two of
them have crazy similar numbers over the last 5 years. Teixeira got 22.5M a year
compared to Miguel's 19M. And Cabrara is 3 years younger.
Obviously it would be better to have Evan Longoria on your hypothetical team, but
since we're not Weebs deciding to do a draft for his MLB2K10 league, it's not a
reasonable comparison.
Cabrera's contract fits well into the good side of baseball deals.
He's a very, very good hitter. The argument could be made that he's worth $20M if he went about his business like Derrek Lee. But he doesn't.
I think that if this was his contract year, considering the weight issues he's had...and factoring his off-field behavior...most GMs (not all) would say "You know, I'm not real excited about committing my money to this for seven years. I'll go after Nick Johnson and spend less than half the money."
... and get less than half the player.
I could gladly live with someone who has a .400 OBP every season.
That's great for the 74 games he plays a year.
Throw in some mental problems and he's practically Milton Bradley!
Ok, this gives me an idea. We trade Milton to the Marlins for Nick Johnson. Then the Marlins trade Milton to the Tigers for half of Miguel Cabrera. We lure the other half of Cabrera away (Veal/Landrum/Patton/Miles ottagetter done) from the Tigers. Then we take our half of Cabrera and Nick Johnson, and trade it back to the Tigers for Milton and Veal and Landrum and a million dollars. Then, the Tigers can trade Nick Johnson to some place warm where he can be productive. My guess would be Florida. Not sure on the price. Maybe the other half of Miguel Cabrera (?).
Phase 3: Progit
CD is a sage
Quote from: ChuckD on October 06, 2009, 02:30:24 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 06, 2009, 02:05:20 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2009, 01:47:10 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 06, 2009, 01:42:41 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 06, 2009, 01:17:17 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 06, 2009, 01:09:17 PM
Quote from: Pre on October 05, 2009, 11:38:29 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 09:02:55 PM
My comment was entirely based on whether or not I (as a GM) would want him on my team for $20M. The answer is still no.
Fair, I can't argue against whether you as a hypothetical GM would want him on your
hypothetical team. I will note that fangraphs puts him being worth an average of
$21 million a year over the last 5. And that's not factoring that you always pay more
for players past arbitration.
I think the closest you could do as far as a comparable player is Teixeira, the two of
them have crazy similar numbers over the last 5 years. Teixeira got 22.5M a year
compared to Miguel's 19M. And Cabrara is 3 years younger.
Obviously it would be better to have Evan Longoria on your hypothetical team, but
since we're not Weebs deciding to do a draft for his MLB2K10 league, it's not a
reasonable comparison.
Cabrera's contract fits well into the good side of baseball deals.
He's a very, very good hitter. The argument could be made that he's worth $20M if he went about his business like Derrek Lee. But he doesn't.
I think that if this was his contract year, considering the weight issues he's had...and factoring his off-field behavior...most GMs (not all) would say "You know, I'm not real excited about committing my money to this for seven years. I'll go after Nick Johnson and spend less than half the money."
... and get less than half the player.
I could gladly live with someone who has a .400 OBP every season.
That's great for the 74 games he plays a year.
Throw in some mental problems and he's practically Milton Bradley!
Ok, this gives me an idea. We trade Milton to the Marlins for Nick Johnson. Then the Marlins trade Milton to the Tigers for half of Miguel Cabrera. We lure the other half of Cabrera away (Veal/Landrum/Patton/Miles ottagetter done) from the Tigers. Then we take our half of Cabrera and Nick Johnson, and trade it back to the Tigers for Milton and Veal and Landrum and a million dollars. Then, the Tigers can trade Nick Johnson to some place warm where he can be productive. My guess would be Florida. Not sure on the price. Maybe the other half of Miguel Cabrera (?).
Phase 3: Progit
Prequel: Fontenot to the Pirates for Veal. WHAT A DEAL
Chip Caray pointed out that Scott Baker got a lineout for THE MOST IMPORTANT of the first five outs he got. What a fucking skidmark.
And the drunk just hit a two-run bomb to make it 3-0 Detroit. They're dancing with PenFoe in their war-torn streets.
Cabrera still has some leftover ANGER.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 06, 2009, 04:50:25 PM
Chip Caray pointed out that Scott Baker got a lineout for THE MOST IMPORTANT of the first five outs he got. What a fucking skidmark.
And the drunk just hit a two-run bomb to make it 3-0 Detroit. They're dancing with PenFoe in their war-torn streets.
He only has 6-7 to go before he can be excused for his behavior.
Chip Caray insults the entire organization by calling Tolbert (.228/.301/.306/.607 !!!!) a "prototypical Twins player".
Quote from: BearsBearsBearsB... on October 06, 2009, 04:59:13 PM
Chip Caray insults the entire organization by calling Tolbert (.228/.301/.306/.607 !!!!) a "prototypical Twins player".
Did you hear them fellating Punto before he whiffed? GRIT-TASTIC!
DPD. Chip still says "fisted." I wish he would lose his job and never be hired again.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 06, 2009, 04:50:25 PM
They're dancing with PenFoe in their war-torn streets.
You can't see me, but I'm dancing too. Only because I still don't understand why I'm supposed to like the Twins.
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2009, 05:27:08 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 06, 2009, 04:50:25 PM
They're dancing with PenFoe in their war-torn streets.
You can't see me, but I'm dancing too. Only because I still don't understand why I'm supposed to like the Twins.
You're not. I just do, because they're my dad's team.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 06, 2009, 05:30:29 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2009, 05:27:08 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 06, 2009, 04:50:25 PM
They're dancing with PenFoe in their war-torn streets.
You can't see me, but I'm dancing too. Only because I still don't understand why I'm supposed to like the Twins.
You're not. I just do, because they're my dad's team.
Intrepid Reader:
Chip CarayYou see how gritty these guys are?
These are NOT your father's Twins.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 06, 2009, 05:35:25 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 06, 2009, 05:30:29 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2009, 05:27:08 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 06, 2009, 04:50:25 PM
They're dancing with PenFoe in their war-torn streets.
You can't see me, but I'm dancing too. Only because I still don't understand why I'm supposed to like the Twins.
You're not. I just do, because they're my dad's team.
Intrepid Reader: Chip Caray
You see how gritty these guys are?
These are NOT your father's Twins.
Do they enjoy playing baseball? Can you see it in how they carry themselves?
Quote from: PenFoe on October 06, 2009, 05:35:25 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 06, 2009, 05:30:29 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2009, 05:27:08 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 06, 2009, 04:50:25 PM
They're dancing with PenFoe in their war-torn streets.
You can't see me, but I'm dancing too. Only because I still don't understand why I'm supposed to like the Twins.
You're not. I just do, because they're my dad's team.
Intrepid Reader: Chip Caray
You see how gritty these guys are?
These are NOT your father's Twins.
I don't think fisting was even AROUND in the day of my father's Twins.
God damn, Joe Nathan is good.
Nothing like getting doubled off first to kill a division-winning rally... why would you not make sure that liner gets through? Idiot!
CHIPPY: Will this be the final 9th inning of regular season baseball in the Metrodome? The answer to that is "yes." Will it be the final 9th inning in the Metrodome? We don't know.
Well done, Chip.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 06, 2009, 07:28:07 PM
CHIPPY: Will this be the final 9th inning of regular season baseball in the Metrodome? The answer to that is "yes." Will it be the final 9th inning in the Metrodome? We don't know.
Well done, Chip.
The man knows how to paint a picture.
Wow. Inge just SAVED THE SEASON with a great diving play on what could have been a walk-off base hit.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 06, 2009, 07:35:20 PM
Wow. Inge just SAVED THE SEASON with a great diving play on what could have been a walk-off base hit.
Apparently Kermit hates his own site
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 06, 2009, 07:35:20 PM
Wow. Inge just SAVED THE SEASON with a great diving play on what could have been a walk-off base hit.
As Ron Darling said he's not afraid to get his uniform dirty. On fake grass.
I want to know what players are afraid of getting their uniform dirty. Surely they're all aware that the clubhouse attendant washes all their shit every day right? Maybe there are some OCD players out there. I don't get it.
Quote from: Mickey Nine: The Dream Weaver on October 06, 2009, 07:40:41 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 06, 2009, 07:35:20 PM
Wow. Inge just SAVED THE SEASON with a great diving play on what could have been a walk-off base hit.
As Ron Darling said he's not afraid to get his uniform dirty. On fake grass.
I want to know what players are afraid of getting their uniform dirty. Surely they're all aware that the clubhouse attendant washes all their shit every day right? Maybe there are some OCD players out there. I don't get it.
Chip wants the Twins to check to see if there is shoe polish on the ball that hit Huff. Because it's 1884.
I know you all heard Chip just call that inning ending, game saving double play a base hit off the bat.
Quote from: Mickey Nine: The Dream Weaver on October 06, 2009, 08:01:42 PM
I know you all heard Chip just call that inning ending, game saving double play a base hit off the bat.
Fuckin' aye we did.
Quote from: Mickey Nine: The Dream Weaver on October 06, 2009, 08:01:42 PM
I know you all heard Chip just call that inning ending, game saving double play a base hit off the bat.
If only he'd scored so that call would have to be replayed over and over on SportsCenter...
This game is BONKERS.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 06, 2009, 08:10:59 PM
This game is BONKERS.
Almost as bonkers as Melrose Place
Pen, FUCK OFF
That was a crazy game.
Really, it's a shame that someone had to win that exhibition game.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 06, 2009, 07:28:07 PM
CHIPPY: Will this be the final 9th inning of regular season baseball in the Metrodome? The answer to that is "yes." Will it be the final 9th inning in the Metrodome? We don't know.
Well done, Chip.
Even if the Twins lost, I'm pretty sure the Metrodome will continue to host college baseball games in January, February and March. And, don't be shocked if in a few years, a WBC winds up in Minneapolis. They're not tearing down the Metrodome with the Vikings still in it, as much as I wish they would do so (not tear down the Dome, but tear down the Dome with the Vikings in it).
Holy shit, I had all but cleansed from my brain the memories of how terrible Chip Caray is as an announcer. The guy is so terrible he distracts me even when I mute the television, because I know he's saying something idiotic even if I can't hear it.
I hope that the Yankees/Twins series is completely uninteresting sweep, because I don't want to be tempted to watch and be subjected to Chippy's calls again.
Quote from: CT III on October 07, 2009, 09:58:45 AM
Holy shit, I had all but cleansed from my brain the memories of how terrible Chip Caray is as an announcer. The guy is so terrible he distracts me even when I mute the television, because I know he's saying something idiotic even if I can't hear it.
I hope that the Yankees/Twins series is completely uninteresting sweep, because I don't want to be tempted to watch and be subjected to Chippy's calls again.
Whoever was broadcasting the game on ESPN 1000 were the polar opposite of a Chip Caray broadcast. I don't know who the two guys were, but they were amazing. I would have rather stayed in the car and listened to them the whole time than actually watch the game on TV.
A Twins fan rubbing it in to Dombrowski:
http://deadspin.com/5376126/twins-add-one-more-insult-to-injury
Quote from: Weebs on October 07, 2009, 10:07:28 AM
Quote from: CT III on October 07, 2009, 09:58:45 AM
Holy shit, I had all but cleansed from my brain the memories of how terrible Chip Caray is as an announcer. The guy is so terrible he distracts me even when I mute the television, because I know he's saying something idiotic even if I can't hear it.
I hope that the Yankees/Twins series is completely uninteresting sweep, because I don't want to be tempted to watch and be subjected to Chippy's calls again.
Whoever was broadcasting the game on ESPN 1000 were the polar opposite of a Chip Caray broadcast. I don't know who the two guys were, but they were amazing. I would have rather stayed in the car and listened to them the whole time than actually watch the game on TV.
Dan Shulman and Dave Campbell.
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on October 07, 2009, 10:13:37 AM
Quote from: Weebs on October 07, 2009, 10:07:28 AM
Quote from: CT III on October 07, 2009, 09:58:45 AM
Holy shit, I had all but cleansed from my brain the memories of how terrible Chip Caray is as an announcer. The guy is so terrible he distracts me even when I mute the television, because I know he's saying something idiotic even if I can't hear it.
I hope that the Yankees/Twins series is completely uninteresting sweep, because I don't want to be tempted to watch and be subjected to Chippy's calls again.
Whoever was broadcasting the game on ESPN 1000 were the polar opposite of a Chip Caray broadcast. I don't know who the two guys were, but they were amazing. I would have rather stayed in the car and listened to them the whole time than actually watch the game on TV.
Dan Shulman and Dave Campbell.
HireDanShulmanAndDaveCambell.com
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on October 07, 2009, 10:13:37 AM
Quote from: Weebs on October 07, 2009, 10:07:28 AM
Quote from: CT III on October 07, 2009, 09:58:45 AM
Holy shit, I had all but cleansed from my brain the memories of how terrible Chip Caray is as an announcer. The guy is so terrible he distracts me even when I mute the television, because I know he's saying something idiotic even if I can't hear it.
I hope that the Yankees/Twins series is completely uninteresting sweep, because I don't want to be tempted to watch and be subjected to Chippy's calls again.
Whoever was broadcasting the game on ESPN 1000 were the polar opposite of a Chip Caray broadcast. I don't know who the two guys were, but they were amazing. I would have rather stayed in the car and listened to them the whole time than actually watch the game on TV.
Dan Shulman and Dave Campbell.
I didn't hear the game on the radio but was going to guess it was Shulman and Campbell. That's an outstanding broadcasting pair.
My favorite moment from that animotronic assclown's shitting-on-the-baseball-game last night was on that double play that Slaky alluded to. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7039.msg194093#msg194093)
For posterity, here was how that clown college called that play.
QuoteLine drive ! BASE HIT! CAUGHT BY RAYBURN!
Huh?
Imagine if the half-blind Ron Santo had been sitting next to that asshat on the call. It reminds me of the call by the comatose Dick Stockton that Boers and Bernstein played for a while on the SCORE, in a situation where the bases were loaded with two outs and the count was 3-2 (I don't even know what game it was).
QuoteBALL FOUR! STRIKE THREE!
At least Stockton's old, blind and nearly dead. Chip's just such an over-emotive bag of wind he can't help but make the broadcast about him.
It just makes me so grateful that Caray is no longer poisoning the broadacasts of Cubs games with his blathering idiocy, and makes me wonder how the hell we survived so long with him in the booth.
As much as I would like to bang the Yankees drum to be able to continue the FYP pleasure of the new faux-Twins fans here...as much as we all know the Yankees are an evil monster, this quote from last week's SI article on Mariano really stuck out:
Quote
After failing to reach the playoffs last year for the first time since 1993, the Yankees have the best record in baseball, the most home runs, the highest-scoring lineup, and the highest-paid catcher, first baseman, shortstop, third baseman, starting pitcher and, yes, reliever.
So, if you guys want to hate America and not support Detroit, that's your problem, but if we're talking about going up against the Yankees, there will be no FYPing on a Twins victory in this series.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 07, 2009, 11:18:54 AM
As much as I would like to bang the Yankees drum to be able to continue the FYP pleasure of the new faux-Twins fans here...as much as we all know the Yankees are an evil monster, this quote from last week's SI article on Mariano really stuck out:
Quote
After failing to reach the playoffs last year for the first time since 1993, the Yankees have the best record in baseball, the most home runs, the highest-scoring lineup, and the highest-paid catcher, first baseman, shortstop, third baseman, starting pitcher and, yes, reliever.
So, if you guys want to hate America and not support Detroit, that's your problem, but if we're talking about going up against the Yankees, there will be no FYPing on a Twins victory in this series.
I'm not sure the Yankees are evil. I hate just about every team in America and every team's fans seem to hate the Yankees. So... fuck every team in America basically and go Yankees.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 07, 2009, 11:34:45 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 07, 2009, 11:18:54 AM
As much as I would like to bang the Yankees drum to be able to continue the FYP pleasure of the new faux-Twins fans here...as much as we all know the Yankees are an evil monster, this quote from last week's SI article on Mariano really stuck out:
Quote
After failing to reach the playoffs last year for the first time since 1993, the Yankees have the best record in baseball, the most home runs, the highest-scoring lineup, and the highest-paid catcher, first baseman, shortstop, third baseman, starting pitcher and, yes, reliever.
So, if you guys want to hate America and not support Detroit, that's your problem, but if we're talking about going up against the Yankees, there will be no FYPing on a Twins victory in this series.
I'm not sure the Yankees are evil. I hate just about every team in America and every team's fans seem to hate the Yankees. So... fuck every team in America basically and go Yankees.
But the enemy of your enemy is not always your friend.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 07, 2009, 11:18:54 AM
As much as I would like to bang the Yankees drum to be able to continue the FYP pleasure of the new faux-Twins fans here...as much as we all know the Yankees are an evil monster, this quote from last week's SI article on Mariano really stuck out:
Quote
After failing to reach the playoffs last year for the first time since 1993, the Yankees have the best record in baseball, the most home runs, the highest-scoring lineup, and the highest-paid catcher, first baseman, shortstop, third baseman, starting pitcher and, yes, reliever.
So, if you guys want to hate America and not support Detroit, that's your problem, but if we're talking about going up against the Yankees, there will be no FYPing on a Twins victory in this series.
I like the Yankees because they play awesome baseball.
Quote from: MAD on October 07, 2009, 10:27:23 AM
My favorite moment from that animotronic assclown's shitting-on-the-baseball-game last night was on that double play that Slaky alluded to. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7039.msg194093#msg194093)
For posterity, here was how that clown college called that play.
QuoteLine drive ! BASE HIT! CAUGHT BY RAYBURN!
Huh?
Via TJ Brown on the Facebook, see it here while it lasts...
http://waxpaperbeercup.com/2009/10/07/the-failure-that-is-chip-caray/
OFF TARGET! AND IN TIME!
Quote from: Eli on October 07, 2009, 12:03:59 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 07, 2009, 11:18:54 AM
As much as I would like to bang the Yankees drum to be able to continue the FYP pleasure of the new faux-Twins fans here...as much as we all know the Yankees are an evil monster, this quote from last week's SI article on Mariano really stuck out:
Quote
After failing to reach the playoffs last year for the first time since 1993, the Yankees have the best record in baseball, the most home runs, the highest-scoring lineup, and the highest-paid catcher, first baseman, shortstop, third baseman, starting pitcher and, yes, reliever.
So, if you guys want to hate America and not support Detroit, that's your problem, but if we're talking about going up against the Yankees, there will be no FYPing on a Twins victory in this series.
I like the Yankees because they play awesome baseball.
So why do you like the Cubs?
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on October 07, 2009, 12:05:22 PM
Quote from: MAD on October 07, 2009, 10:27:23 AM
My favorite moment from that animotronic assclown's shitting-on-the-baseball-game last night was on that double play that Slaky alluded to. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7039.msg194093#msg194093)
For posterity, here was how that clown college called that play.
QuoteLine drive ! BASE HIT! CAUGHT BY RAYBURN!
Huh?
Via TJ Brown on the Facebook, see it here while it lasts...
http://waxpaperbeercup.com/2009/10/07/the-failure-that-is-chip-caray/
OFF TARGET! AND IN TIME!
I'm really lucky to have been able to hear Harry call Cubs games when I was younger. Chip's a monstrosity.
Quote from: MAD on October 07, 2009, 12:11:24 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 07, 2009, 12:03:59 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 07, 2009, 11:18:54 AM
As much as I would like to bang the Yankees drum to be able to continue the FYP pleasure of the new faux-Twins fans here...as much as we all know the Yankees are an evil monster, this quote from last week's SI article on Mariano really stuck out:
Quote
After failing to reach the playoffs last year for the first time since 1993, the Yankees have the best record in baseball, the most home runs, the highest-scoring lineup, and the highest-paid catcher, first baseman, shortstop, third baseman, starting pitcher and, yes, reliever.
So, if you guys want to hate America and not support Detroit, that's your problem, but if we're talking about going up against the Yankees, there will be no FYPing on a Twins victory in this series.
I like the Yankees because they play awesome baseball.
So why do you like the Cubs?
I didn't used to, but I sort of fell in love after they signed Mark DeRosa.
Quote from: Eli on October 07, 2009, 12:14:41 PM
Quote from: MAD on October 07, 2009, 12:11:24 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 07, 2009, 12:03:59 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 07, 2009, 11:18:54 AM
As much as I would like to bang the Yankees drum to be able to continue the FYP pleasure of the new faux-Twins fans here...as much as we all know the Yankees are an evil monster, this quote from last week's SI article on Mariano really stuck out:
Quote
After failing to reach the playoffs last year for the first time since 1993, the Yankees have the best record in baseball, the most home runs, the highest-scoring lineup, and the highest-paid catcher, first baseman, shortstop, third baseman, starting pitcher and, yes, reliever.
So, if you guys want to hate America and not support Detroit, that's your problem, but if we're talking about going up against the Yankees, there will be no FYPing on a Twins victory in this series.
I like the Yankees because they play awesome baseball.
So why do you like the Cubs?
I didn't used to, but I sort of fell in love after they signed Mark DeRosa.
How could you not? His stubble is so dreamy.
Quote from: MAD on October 07, 2009, 12:16:48 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 07, 2009, 12:14:41 PM
Quote from: MAD on October 07, 2009, 12:11:24 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 07, 2009, 12:03:59 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 07, 2009, 11:18:54 AM
As much as I would like to bang the Yankees drum to be able to continue the FYP pleasure of the new faux-Twins fans here...as much as we all know the Yankees are an evil monster, this quote from last week's SI article on Mariano really stuck out:
Quote
After failing to reach the playoffs last year for the first time since 1993, the Yankees have the best record in baseball, the most home runs, the highest-scoring lineup, and the highest-paid catcher, first baseman, shortstop, third baseman, starting pitcher and, yes, reliever.
So, if you guys want to hate America and not support Detroit, that's your problem, but if we're talking about going up against the Yankees, there will be no FYPing on a Twins victory in this series.
I like the Yankees because they play awesome baseball.
So why do you like the Cubs?
I didn't used to, but I sort of fell in love after they signed Mark DeRosa.
How could you not? His stubble is so dreamy.
I have stubble. Am I dreamy?
Quote from: IrishYeti on October 07, 2009, 12:32:11 PM
Quote from: MAD on October 07, 2009, 12:16:48 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 07, 2009, 12:14:41 PM
Quote from: MAD on October 07, 2009, 12:11:24 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 07, 2009, 12:03:59 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 07, 2009, 11:18:54 AM
As much as I would like to bang the Yankees drum to be able to continue the FYP pleasure of the new faux-Twins fans here...as much as we all know the Yankees are an evil monster, this quote from last week's SI article on Mariano really stuck out:
Quote
After failing to reach the playoffs last year for the first time since 1993, the Yankees have the best record in baseball, the most home runs, the highest-scoring lineup, and the highest-paid catcher, first baseman, shortstop, third baseman, starting pitcher and, yes, reliever.
So, if you guys want to hate America and not support Detroit, that's your problem, but if we're talking about going up against the Yankees, there will be no FYPing on a Twins victory in this series.
I like the Yankees because they play awesome baseball.
So why do you like the Cubs?
I didn't used to, but I sort of fell in love after they signed Mark DeRosa.
How could you not? His stubble is so dreamy.
I have stubble. Am I dreamy?
Yeah, ever had a night terror?
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/34511492.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1254938054&Signature=rtgRn%2BnoYwyEqSuZL6IhD%2BGHoyA%3D)
From the comment section of that link above.
Quote from: Mickey Nine: The Dream Weaver on October 07, 2009, 12:38:25 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on October 07, 2009, 12:32:11 PM
Quote from: MAD on October 07, 2009, 12:16:48 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 07, 2009, 12:14:41 PM
Quote from: MAD on October 07, 2009, 12:11:24 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 07, 2009, 12:03:59 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 07, 2009, 11:18:54 AM
As much as I would like to bang the Yankees drum to be able to continue the FYP pleasure of the new faux-Twins fans here...as much as we all know the Yankees are an evil monster, this quote from last week's SI article on Mariano really stuck out:
Quote
After failing to reach the playoffs last year for the first time since 1993, the Yankees have the best record in baseball, the most home runs, the highest-scoring lineup, and the highest-paid catcher, first baseman, shortstop, third baseman, starting pitcher and, yes, reliever.
So, if you guys want to hate America and not support Detroit, that's your problem, but if we're talking about going up against the Yankees, there will be no FYPing on a Twins victory in this series.
I like the Yankees because they play awesome baseball.
So why do you like the Cubs?
I didn't used to, but I sort of fell in love after they signed Mark DeRosa.
How could you not? His stubble is so dreamy.
I have stubble. Am I dreamy?
Yeah, ever had a night terror?
There's nothing terrifying about the
night.
Quote from: BearsBearsBearsB... on October 07, 2009, 12:38:36 PM
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From the comment section of that link above.
Nothing short of spectacular. Reminds me of LSU Freek's work on edsbs.
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on October 07, 2009, 12:44:23 PM
Quote from: Mickey Nine: The Dream Weaver on October 07, 2009, 12:38:25 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on October 07, 2009, 12:32:11 PM
Quote from: MAD on October 07, 2009, 12:16:48 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 07, 2009, 12:14:41 PM
Quote from: MAD on October 07, 2009, 12:11:24 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 07, 2009, 12:03:59 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 07, 2009, 11:18:54 AM
As much as I would like to bang the Yankees drum to be able to continue the FYP pleasure of the new faux-Twins fans here...as much as we all know the Yankees are an evil monster, this quote from last week's SI article on Mariano really stuck out:
Quote
After failing to reach the playoffs last year for the first time since 1993, the Yankees have the best record in baseball, the most home runs, the highest-scoring lineup, and the highest-paid catcher, first baseman, shortstop, third baseman, starting pitcher and, yes, reliever.
So, if you guys want to hate America and not support Detroit, that's your problem, but if we're talking about going up against the Yankees, there will be no FYPing on a Twins victory in this series.
I like the Yankees because they play awesome baseball.
So why do you like the Cubs?
I didn't used to, but I sort of fell in love after they signed Mark DeRosa.
How could you not? His stubble is so dreamy.
I have stubble. Am I dreamy?
Yeah, ever had a night terror?
There's nothing terrifying about the night.
As long as you have your cuddle buddy, you're gold
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on October 07, 2009, 12:05:22 PM
Quote from: MAD on October 07, 2009, 10:27:23 AM
My favorite moment from that animotronic assclown's shitting-on-the-baseball-game last night was on that double play that Slaky alluded to. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7039.msg194093#msg194093)
For posterity, here was how that clown college called that play.
QuoteLine drive ! BASE HIT! CAUGHT BY RAYBURN!
Huh?
Via TJ Brown on the Facebook, see it here while it lasts...
http://waxpaperbeercup.com/2009/10/07/the-failure-that-is-chip-caray/
OFF TARGET! AND IN TIME!
I totally understand this
Kurt Evans photoshop. From wpbc:
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/34511492.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1254940915&Signature=%2BGkhcMeDhsEUIp%2BQrXaqbQ2Vb0M%3D)
Another positive about the Twins is that Boers was rooting against them because Justin Morneau had earlier said "anybody but the White Sox". So if pisses off the Sux fans, go Twiins!
Quote from: Brownie on October 07, 2009, 01:26:40 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on October 07, 2009, 12:05:22 PM
Quote from: MAD on October 07, 2009, 10:27:23 AM
My favorite moment from that animotronic assclown's shitting-on-the-baseball-game last night was on that double play that Slaky alluded to. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7039.msg194093#msg194093)
For posterity, here was how that clown college called that play.
QuoteLine drive ! BASE HIT! CAUGHT BY RAYBURN!
Huh?
Via TJ Brown on the Facebook, see it here while it lasts...
http://waxpaperbeercup.com/2009/10/07/the-failure-that-is-chip-caray/
OFF TARGET! AND IN TIME!
I totally understand this Kurt Evans photoshop. From wpbc:
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/34511492.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1254940915&Signature=%2BGkhcMeDhsEUIp%2BQrXaqbQ2Vb0M%3D)
Never has an application's name been more apropos than in this instance.
"Twitpic" is so, so true.
Quote from: Dave B on October 07, 2009, 01:37:27 PM
Another positive about the Twins is that Boers was rooting against them because Justin Morneau had earlier said "anybody but the White Sox". So if pisses off the Sux fans, go Twiins!
Very much THIS.
The apparently popular pic above is the work of a Tigers blogger...
http://blogcritics.org/sports/feature/harwell-s-1984/
(I wonder if Pen is a regular reader.)
First New York had to learn about Chip the hard way (http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/09/sports/baseball/09sandomir.html). Now Detroit.
What will it take to convince Atlanta?
Chip Caray in 1951:
"Bobby Thomson the batter. Branca's pitch... A high pop fly to left, that should be caught. Honesty compels me to say that was a poor at-bat by Bobby Thomson, folks. And it's GONE! The Giants win to even the series up."
Chip Caray in 1954:
"BELTED DEEP into center field... Mays won't get that. And the Indians will take the lead! Doby will score and Rosen will score! 4-2 Cleveland!"
Chip Caray in 1969:
"Holtzman's pitch to Aaron... BELTED Deep into Left Field. Waveland Avenue Time for Hank Aaron. All Billy Williams can do is look up as this will cost Holtzman the no-hitter, the shutout and the LEAD! HAMMERIN' HANK puts the HOT in HOTLANTA for the Brav-os! And Williams makes the catch."
Chip Caray in 1975:
"Fisk swings and hits a long fly ball foul down the left-field line. As we wait for Darcy to get a new ball and for Fisk to get back into the box, let me tell you about me having dinner with the Cubs' No. 3 starter last night. This guy knows a lot about baseball, but as usual stuck me with the check. And the Red Sox have won."
Chip Caray in 1986:
"Ground ball to first. Buckner has it and steps on first to retire Mookie Wilson and we'll play one more inning at Shea Stadium. Knight will score!"
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on October 07, 2009, 02:04:00 PM
The apparently popular pic above is the work of a Tigers blogger...
http://blogcritics.org/sports/feature/harwell-s-1984/
(I wonder if Pen is a regular reader.)
First New York had to learn about Chip the hard way (http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/09/sports/baseball/09sandomir.html). Now Detroit.
What will it take to convince Atlanta?
Fuck Atlanta.
Quote from: Brownie on October 07, 2009, 02:14:44 PM
Chip Caray in 1951:
"Bobby Thomson the batter. Branca's pitch... A high pop fly to left, that should be caught. Honesty compels me to say that was a poor at-bat by Bobby Thomson, folks. And it's GONE! The Giants win to even the series up."
Chip Caray in 1954:
"BELTED DEEP into center field... Mays won't get that. And the Indians will take the lead! Doby will score and Rosen will score! 4-2 Cleveland!"
Chip Caray in 1969:
"Holtzman's pitch to Aaron... BELTED Deep into Left Field. Waveland Avenue Time for Hank Aaron. All Billy Williams can do is look up as this will cost Holtzman the no-hitter, the shutout and the LEAD! HAMMERIN' HANK puts the HOT in HOTLANTA for the Brav-os! And Williams makes the catch."
Chip Caray in 1975:
"Fisk swings and hits a long fly ball foul down the left-field line. As we wait for Darcy to get a new ball and for Fisk to get back into the box, let me tell you about me having dinner with the Cubs' No. 3 starter last night. This guy knows a lot about baseball, but as usual stuck me with the check. And the Red Sox have won."
Chip Caray in 1986:
"Ground ball to first. Buckner has it and steps on first to retire Mookie Wilson and we'll play one more inning at Shea Stadium. Knight will score!"
Ooo, let me try!
Chip Caray in 1972:
"Top of the 9th inning, Cubs ahead 8-0 over the Friars after North fisted a single to third and Kessinger fisted a double to left to bring in three in the last half-inning. Two down for Larry Stahl, and the 3-2 pitch .... Froemming rings him up on the corner! Strike three, and it's a perfect game for Milt Pappas! There are three P's in Pappas and they all stand for Perfection, folks! Ball four!"
Oooh, ooh, let me play!
April 4, 2003
Swung on, belted! There she goes! Number 500! Sammy Sosa punches that ticket to Cooperstown!
(Wait, he actually did say that. What a maroon.)
Quote from: Andy on October 07, 2009, 04:09:44 PM
Oooh, ooh, let me play!
April 4, 2003
Swung on, belted! There she goes! Number 500! Sammy Sosa punches that ticket to Cooperstown!
(Wait, he actually did say that. What a maroon.)
I always imagined Chip sat in front of a mirror and eye-fucked himself pre-game. Then he'd blast a wad in to his mouth, swallow and give a flamboyant "SHOWTIME!" before heading in to the booth.
Quote from: ChuckD on October 07, 2009, 07:42:16 PM
Quote from: Andy on October 07, 2009, 04:09:44 PM
Oooh, ooh, let me play!
April 4, 2003
Swung on, belted! There she goes! Number 500! Sammy Sosa punches that ticket to Cooperstown!
(Wait, he actually did say that. What a maroon.)
I always imagined Chip sat in front of a mirror and eye-fucked himself pre-game. Then he'd blast a wad in to his mouth, swallow and give a flamboyant "SHOWTIME!" before heading in to the booth.
I do that sometimes before I post.
Quote from: Brownie on October 07, 2009, 02:14:44 PM
Chip Caray in 1951:
"Bobby Thomson the batter. Branca's pitch... A high pop fly to left, that should be caught. Honesty compels me to say that was a poor at-bat by Bobby Thomson, folks. And it's GONE! The Giants win to even the series up."
Chip Caray in 1954:
"BELTED DEEP into center field... Mays won't get that. And the Indians will take the lead! Doby will score and Rosen will score! 4-2 Cleveland!"
Chip Caray in 1969:
"Holtzman's pitch to Aaron... BELTED Deep into Left Field. Waveland Avenue Time for Hank Aaron. All Billy Williams can do is look up as this will cost Holtzman the no-hitter, the shutout and the LEAD! HAMMERIN' HANK puts the HOT in HOTLANTA for the Brav-os! And Williams makes the catch."
Chip Caray in 1975:
"Fisk swings and hits a long fly ball foul down the left-field line. As we wait for Darcy to get a new ball and for Fisk to get back into the box, let me tell you about me having dinner with the Cubs' No. 3 starter last night. This guy knows a lot about baseball, but as usual stuck me with the check. And the Red Sox have won."
Chip Caray in 1986:
"Ground ball to first. Buckner has it and steps on first to retire Mookie Wilson and we'll play one more inning at Shea Stadium. Knight will score!"
Good stuff.
I can't believe we got through that game (because these situations both applied) without mentions of "bonus panels" and "Give em what they earn".
Nice play, Johnny Damon.
Nice pitch, Joe Nathan.
Fuck Pay-Rod.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 09, 2009, 08:34:10 PM
Nice pitch, Joe Nathan.
He grooved that fastball Teixeira hit for a single, too. Yikes.
The Twins have no excuse for not winning that game. Ugh.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 09, 2009, 09:47:32 PM
The Twins have no excuse for not winning that game. Ugh.
Well, the left-field ump missing an obvious call on Mauer's double is a pretty damned convenient one...even if you're also right.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 10, 2009, 12:23:10 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 09, 2009, 09:47:32 PM
The Twins have no excuse for not winning that game. Ugh.
Well, the left-field ump missing an obvious call on Mauer's double is a pretty damned convenient one...even if you're also right.
That was an Angel Hernandezesque display of gross incompetence. Or Phil Cuzzi is behind on his mortgage payments.
If you believe that the ensuing at bats would have turned out exactly the same if the ball had been called fair, as I don't, then the Yanks would have led off with a game-tying homer anyway and probably won no matter what. I'm rooting for the best series and Series possible. So go Yanks.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 10, 2009, 01:02:16 PM
If you believe that the ensuing at bats would have turned out exactly the same if the ball had been called fair, as I don't, then the Yanks would have led off with a game-tying homer anyway and probably won no matter what. I'm rooting for the best series and Series possible. So go Yanks.
I don't care either way about this series, but I just wanted to point out your inconsistency of asserting that a different call may have yielded different at-bats subsequent to the call, while ignoring that the homerun at-bat in the bottom of the inning would have still been a homerun under different circumstances.
Quote from: MAD on October 10, 2009, 01:06:37 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 10, 2009, 01:02:16 PM
If you believe that the ensuing at bats would have turned out exactly the same if the ball had been called fair, as I don't, then the Yanks would have led off with a game-tying homer anyway and probably won no matter what. I'm rooting for the best series and Series possible. So go Yanks.
I don't care either way about this series, but I just wanted to point out your inconsistency of asserting that a different call may have yielded different at-bats subsequent to the call, while ignoring that the homerun at-bat in the bottom of the inning would have still been a homerun under different circumstances.
You just blew my mind.
Instant replay in baseball. Get it done, Selig.
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 10, 2009, 04:50:24 PM
Instant replay in baseball. Get it done, Selig.
For real. Just stick a guy up there in the booth to overrule obvious oversights. If people watching on TV can tell a call was wrong after 3 replays and 21 seconds, then just change the daggum call. Technology can be everyone's friend.
I know nobody agrees, but I'd rather keep the occasional blown calls due to human error than start waiting 5 minutes for replay officials to overturn calls that everyone watching on TV can tell was wrong after 3 replays and 21 seconds.
I'd be fine with instant replay during the playoffs only.
Things have a tendency to even out over 162 games, and it's the sort of thing that will get real old real quick.
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on October 11, 2009, 08:20:35 PM
I'd be fine with instant replay during the playoffs only.
Things have a tendency to even out over 162 games, and it's the sort of thing that will get real old real quick.
I'm not even talking about sort of 'challenge and hold the game up for 15 minutes' thing. I'm saying to put some dude up in a booth and, when there's am obviously wrong call that everyone can tell is wrong, he calls down to the field and changes it. It's just silly to me to let blown calls go by when it would take about 10 seconds to overturn it. It's dumb. People are dumb. Write it down. Silliness. That's all it is.
I think everything should be decided from the booth. Give a bunch of Art Howes some Bluetooth headsets and let them pretend to play umpire on the field.
Well that was fun. Mauer for MVP!
Quote from: BearsBearsBearsB... on October 11, 2009, 09:39:31 PM
Well that was fun. Mauer for MVP!
I don't get it. Mauer showed up (.417/.500/.500), and should still win the MVP going away.
Uh...Derek Jeter.
He's a winner. He didn't blow that 4-2 lead in game two like Mauer did.
MVP!
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 12, 2009, 09:53:05 AM
Quote from: BearsBearsBearsB... on October 11, 2009, 09:39:31 PM
Well that was fun. Mauer for MVP!
I don't get it. Mauer showed up (.417/.500/.500), and should still win the MVP going away.
No green font, that was my failed attempt at being positive about the series. At least he showed up. Him winning the award is the last Twins thing I have to look forward to after that series. Better?
Quote from: BearsBearsBearsB... on October 12, 2009, 12:39:23 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 12, 2009, 09:53:05 AM
Quote from: BearsBearsBearsB... on October 11, 2009, 09:39:31 PM
Well that was fun. Mauer for MVP!
I don't get it. Mauer showed up (.417/.500/.500), and should still win the MVP going away.
No green font, that was my failed attempt at being positive about the series. At least he showed up. Him winning the award is the last Twins thing I have to look forward to after that series. Better?
That and the fact that they could play 30 home games next year in sub-50-degree weather. Target Field does look pretty cool, though. The view during night games will be neat.
(http://www.twinsbobbleheads.com/Pictures/Night%20Time%20Target%20Field.jpg)
It's paid for with tax dollars, no? My question is, couldn't they have at least gotten a sizeable contribution from Target to put a retractable roof on that thing? Those games in April are going to be brutal.
Quote from: MAD on October 12, 2009, 01:25:21 PM
It's paid for with tax dollars, no? My question is, couldn't they have at least gotten a sizeable contribution from Target to put a retractable roof on that thing? Those games in April are going to be brutal.
Yes, partially by the taxpayers. Yeah, you'd think Target would be willing to help pay for a retractable roof with a giant bullseye on the top, or something.
I had no idea this stadium was being built without a roof. I just assumed "yeah, it will have a roof". The Twins should be able to complete about 147 games out of their schedule next year.
Quote from: Simmer on October 12, 2009, 01:53:31 PM
I had no idea this stadium was being built without a roof. I just assumed "yeah, it will have a roof". The Twins should be able to complete about 147 games out of their schedule next year.
No, they'll play 15 of the games within 90 minutes of Kermit's home so he can run a site like "Hire Ray Miller"
Quote from: Simmer on October 12, 2009, 01:53:31 PM
I had no idea this stadium was being built without a roof. I just assumed "yeah, it will have a roof". The Twins should be able to complete about 147 games out of their schedule next year.
I have a feeling they're not going to be as competitive anymore. Sure, they're a great ballclub, but the Metrodome was probably the biggest homefield advantage in all of baseball. Since 2000, their winning percentage at home is .587 as compared to .478 on the road.
I just hope the Hawkaroo was watching them make fundamental mistake after fundamental mistake last night.
Quote from: Weebs on October 12, 2009, 02:13:02 PM
Quote from: Simmer on October 12, 2009, 01:53:31 PM
I had no idea this stadium was being built without a roof. I just assumed "yeah, it will have a roof". The Twins should be able to complete about 147 games out of their schedule next year.
I have a feeling they're not going to be as competitive anymore. Sure, they're a great ballclub, but the Metrodome was probably the biggest homefield advantage in all of baseball. Since 2000, their winning percentage at home is .587 as compared to .478 on the road.
The Twins have only been playing in the Metrodome since 2000?
To pick another arbitrary timeframe, between 1990 and 1999 they were .483 at home and .442 on the road.
Quote from: Weebs on October 12, 2009, 02:13:02 PM
Quote from: Simmer on October 12, 2009, 01:53:31 PM
I had no idea this stadium was being built without a roof. I just assumed "yeah, it will have a roof". The Twins should be able to complete about 147 games out of their schedule next year.
I have a feeling they're not going to be as competitive anymore. Sure, they're a great ballclub, but the Metrodome was probably the biggest homefield advantage in all of baseball. Since 2000, their winning percentage at home is .587 as compared to .478 on the road.
So what? That averages out to 86 wins a season, and I don't even think the home and away numbers are THAT drastic of a split. For the past two seasons, the Red Sox have been .691 at home and .481 on the road. In '07, they were .630 and .556. Our CUBBIEZ were .575 at home and .457 on the road this year, and aren't all those grueling day games supposed to be a DISadvantage? Christ, even the Pirates were .494 at home and .275 (wow) on the road, and there's nothing quirky about PNC that should give them an advantage.
I don't get this Weebs analysis at all. But seriously, though, feel free to jump off the bandTWINgon now.
Quote from: Simmer on October 12, 2009, 01:53:31 PM
I had no idea this stadium was being built without a roof. I just assumed "yeah, it will have a roof". The Twins should be able to complete about 147 games out of their schedule next year.
From what I've read, the Twins did a cost-benefit analysis of adding a roof, and it costs around $10k to open and shut the roof each time. Looking at long-term weather trends, the average number of games that would be canceled to weather didn't even out the overall costs of operating the roof.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 12, 2009, 03:05:42 PM
Quote from: Weebs on October 12, 2009, 02:13:02 PM
Quote from: Simmer on October 12, 2009, 01:53:31 PM
I had no idea this stadium was being built without a roof. I just assumed "yeah, it will have a roof". The Twins should be able to complete about 147 games out of their schedule next year.
I have a feeling they're not going to be as competitive anymore. Sure, they're a great ballclub, but the Metrodome was probably the biggest homefield advantage in all of baseball. Since 2000, their winning percentage at home is .587 as compared to .478 on the road.
So what? That averages out to 86 wins a season, and I don't even think the home and away numbers are THAT drastic of a split. For the past two seasons, the Red Sox have been .691 at home and .481 on the road. In '07, they were .630 and .556. Our CUBBIEZ were .575 at home and .457 on the road this year, and aren't all those grueling day games supposed to be a DISadvantage? Christ, even the Pirates were .494 at home and .275 (wow) on the road, and there's nothing quirky about PNC that should give them an advantage.
I don't get this Weebs analysis at all. But seriously, though, feel free to jump off the bandTWINgon now.
(http://eyeseedeadwood.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/ep10_al_mrwu.jpg)
?
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 12, 2009, 03:18:40 PM
Quote from: Simmer on October 12, 2009, 01:53:31 PM
I had no idea this stadium was being built without a roof. I just assumed "yeah, it will have a roof". The Twins should be able to complete about 147 games out of their schedule next year.
From what I've read, the Twins did a cost-benefit analysis of adding a roof, and it costs around $10k to open and shut the roof each time. Looking at long-term weather trends, the average number of games that would be canceled to weather didn't even out the overall costs of operating the roof.
Just leave it closed in April then.
Dumb people did that cost analysis.
Canceled games (rarely) cost the home team much money at all. They do day/night
double headers instead of the fun kind (for fans). What does cost a lot of money is
no one wanting to go to your games early in the season because it's fucking freezing
out and they know there will be another 70+ home games coming up.
I guess Miller Park will be the ultimate winner when Bud makes the Twins use it for
playoff games.
Quote from: Pre on October 12, 2009, 03:55:56 PM
Dumb people did that cost analysis.
Canceled games (rarely) cost the home team much money at all. They do day/night
double headers instead of the fun kind (for fans). What does cost a lot of money is
no one wanting to go to your games early in the season because it's fucking freezing
out and they know there will be another 70+ home games coming up.
I guess Miller Park will be the ultimate winner when Bud makes the Twins use it for
playoff games.
Given the % of tickets they're selling to season-ticket holders, I don't think it's going to cost them much $$. Unlike Pissburgh, there's a strong enough base of fan support to sell the season tickets.
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on October 12, 2009, 02:45:48 PM
Quote from: Weebs on October 12, 2009, 02:13:02 PM
Quote from: Simmer on October 12, 2009, 01:53:31 PM
I had no idea this stadium was being built without a roof. I just assumed "yeah, it will have a roof". The Twins should be able to complete about 147 games out of their schedule next year.
I have a feeling they're not going to be as competitive anymore. Sure, they're a great ballclub, but the Metrodome was probably the biggest homefield advantage in all of baseball. Since 2000, their winning percentage at home is .587 as compared to .478 on the road.
The Twins have only been playing in the Metrodome since 2000?
To pick another arbitrary timeframe, between 1990 and 1999 they were .483 at home and .442 on the road.
They're also 1-9 in their last 3 playoff appearances. What are we doing here? I'm not sure, but you guys sure know how to pick 'em. If you're gonna make out with a chick(Twins) at a bar while your wife(cubs) stays home with the flu, then at least pick out a hot chick(Dodgers or Yankees, this year).
Joe Mauer almost sweeps the AL MVP except for some idiot who gave Miguel Cabrera a first-place vote. Pen is probably proud. You disgust me.
Quote from: C-C-Cats on November 23, 2009, 01:12:21 PM
Joe Mauer almost sweeps the AL MVP except for some idiot who gave Miguel Cabrera a first-place vote. Pen is probably proud. You disgust me.
If the stupid Twins had any money to spend, they'd be the ones cursing Mark Prior.
But nooo...they had to be cheapskates and up end with a future HOF catcher instead.
So fuck the Twins, fuck Joe Mauer and bravo to whoever realized that their MVP vote would spread joy and hope throughout the great AMERICAN city of Detroit.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 23, 2009, 01:28:25 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on November 23, 2009, 01:12:21 PM
Joe Mauer almost sweeps the AL MVP except for some idiot who gave Miguel Cabrera a first-place vote. Pen is probably proud. You disgust me.
If the stupid Twins had any money to spend, they'd be the ones cursing Mark Prior.
But nooo...they had to be cheapskates and up end with a future HOF catcher instead.
So fuck the Twins, fuck Joe Mauer and bravo to whoever realized that their MVP vote would spread joy and hope throughout the great AMERICAN city of Detroit.
Maybe they were hoping Cabrera would buy a couple rounds.
"According to Lynn Henning of the Detroit News, Miguel Cabrera might be as available as any other Tigers player this winter.
The Tigers need to cut payroll and are shopping all of their superstars this offseason. Cabrera is by far the most talented played in Detroit, but he'll also command the largest (and most talented) chunk of prospects. The 26-year-old hit .324/.396/.547 in 2009 with 34 homers, 34 doubles and 103 RBI. He finished fourth in this year's American League MVP voting.
Source: Detroit News "
Quote from: BH on November 24, 2009, 10:27:49 AM
"According to Lynn Henning of the Detroit News, Miguel Cabrera might be as available as any other Tigers player this winter.
The Tigers need to cut payroll and are shopping all of their superstars this offseason. Cabrera is by far the most talented played in Detroit, but he'll also command the largest (and most talented) chunk of prospects. The 26-year-old hit .324/.396/.547 in 2009 with 34 homers, 34 doubles and 103 RBI. He finished fourth in this year's American League MVP voting.
Source: Detroit News "
Miguel and Granderson ($105mm) for Soriano and Bradley ($118.6mm) plus $50 million in cash and a prospect or two.
In my dreams.
Quote from: BH on November 24, 2009, 10:27:49 AM
"According to Lynn Henning of the Detroit News, Miguel Cabrera might be as available as any other Tigers player this winter.
The Tigers need to cut payroll and are shopping all of their superstars this offseason. Cabrera is by far the most talented played in Detroit, but he'll also command the largest (and most talented) chunk of prospects. The 26-year-old hit .324/.396/.547 in 2009 with 34 homers, 34 doubles and 103 RBI. He finished fourth in this year's American League MVP voting.
Source: Detroit News "
It'd be great from a talent standpoint, but I don't know where Cabrera would play. He hasn't played the outfield since 70 pounds ago.
Quote from: Eli on November 24, 2009, 10:54:45 AM
Quote from: BH on November 24, 2009, 10:27:49 AM
"According to Lynn Henning of the Detroit News, Miguel Cabrera might be as available as any other Tigers player this winter.
The Tigers need to cut payroll and are shopping all of their superstars this offseason. Cabrera is by far the most talented played in Detroit, but he'll also command the largest (and most talented) chunk of prospects. The 26-year-old hit .324/.396/.547 in 2009 with 34 homers, 34 doubles and 103 RBI. He finished fourth in this year's American League MVP voting.
Source: Detroit News "
It'd be great from a talent standpoint, but I don't know where Cabrera would play. He hasn't played the outfield since 70 pounds ago.
1. Chuck's fantasy scenario.
2. Move DLee for Erick Aybar.
6. Profit.
Put D Lee in Left. Sniff some glue. Trade Marmol, Vitters, Castro, the statue of Ernie Banks and Zambrano to Detroit for Granderson. Profit.
Quote from: Brownie on November 24, 2009, 11:10:45 AM
Put D Lee in Left. Sniff some glue. Trade Marmol, Vitters, Castro, the statue of Ernie Banks and Zambrano to Detroit for Granderson. Profit.
I think you have that order incorrect.
Quote from: BH on November 24, 2009, 10:27:49 AM
"According to Lynn Henning of the Detroit News, Miguel Cabrera might be as available as any other Tigers player this winter.
The Tigers need to cut payroll and are shopping all of their superstars this offseason. Cabrera is by far the most talented played in Detroit, but he'll also command the largest (and most talented) chunk of prospects. The 26-year-old hit .324/.396/.547 in 2009 with 34 homers, 34 doubles and 103 RBI. He finished fourth in this year's American League MVP voting.
Source: Detroit News "
Whatever, dudes like Miguel Cabrera practically grow on trees. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7039.msg193799#msg193799)
Quote from: PenFoe on November 24, 2009, 11:23:27 AM
Quote from: BH on November 24, 2009, 10:27:49 AM
"According to Lynn Henning of the Detroit News, Miguel Cabrera might be as available as any other Tigers player this winter.
The Tigers need to cut payroll and are shopping all of their superstars this offseason. Cabrera is by far the most talented played in Detroit, but he'll also command the largest (and most talented) chunk of prospects. The 26-year-old hit .324/.396/.547 in 2009 with 34 homers, 34 doubles and 103 RBI. He finished fourth in this year's American League MVP voting.
Source: Detroit News "
Whatever, dudes like Miguel Cabrera practically grow on trees. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7039.msg193799#msg193799)
I knew that was coming.
Quote from: Eli on November 24, 2009, 11:27:02 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 24, 2009, 11:23:27 AM
Quote from: BH on November 24, 2009, 10:27:49 AM
"According to Lynn Henning of the Detroit News, Miguel Cabrera might be as available as any other Tigers player this winter.
The Tigers need to cut payroll and are shopping all of their superstars this offseason. Cabrera is by far the most talented played in Detroit, but he'll also command the largest (and most talented) chunk of prospects. The 26-year-old hit .324/.396/.547 in 2009 with 34 homers, 34 doubles and 103 RBI. He finished fourth in this year's American League MVP voting.
Source: Detroit News "
Whatever, dudes like Miguel Cabrera practically grow on trees. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7039.msg193799#msg193799)
I knew that was coming.
LDA's decline in quality was so sudden and shocking. I never saw
that coming.
Quote from: Slack-E on November 24, 2009, 11:33:21 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 24, 2009, 11:27:02 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 24, 2009, 11:23:27 AM
Quote from: BH on November 24, 2009, 10:27:49 AM
"According to Lynn Henning of the Detroit News, Miguel Cabrera might be as available as any other Tigers player this winter.
The Tigers need to cut payroll and are shopping all of their superstars this offseason. Cabrera is by far the most talented played in Detroit, but he'll also command the largest (and most talented) chunk of prospects. The 26-year-old hit .324/.396/.547 in 2009 with 34 homers, 34 doubles and 103 RBI. He finished fourth in this year's American League MVP voting.
Source: Detroit News "
Whatever, dudes like Miguel Cabrera practically grow on trees. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7039.msg193799#msg193799)
I knew that was coming.
LDA's decline in quality was so sudden and shocking. I never saw that coming.
I still feel dirty for spending that much time arguing with a Bobby Scales avatar.
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 11:48:20 AM
This nugget this morning about Miguel Cabrera doing his best to help the Twins out. If I were a GM, this guy would be on my list of players I wouldn't get near with Joe Francis' cock.
Well, I hope you're happy now. Dude can't even drink anymore. (http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/2010/01/tigers_slugger_miguel_cabrera_1.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+detroit-tigers+%28Detroit+Tigers+Impact+-+MLive.com%29&utm)
Quote from: PenFoe on January 21, 2010, 12:29:26 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 11:48:20 AM
This nugget this morning about Miguel Cabrera doing his best to help the Twins out. If I were a GM, this guy would be on my list of players I wouldn't get near with Joe Francis' cock.
Well, I hope you're happy now. Dude can't even drink anymore. (http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/2010/01/tigers_slugger_miguel_cabrera_1.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+detroit-tigers+%28Detroit+Tigers+Impact+-+MLive.com%29&utm)
Who cares? Players like him grow on trees.
Quote from: Slack-E on January 21, 2010, 12:32:52 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 21, 2010, 12:29:26 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 11:48:20 AM
This nugget this morning about Miguel Cabrera doing his best to help the Twins out. If I were a GM, this guy would be on my list of players I wouldn't get near with Joe Francis' cock.
Well, I hope you're happy now. Dude can't even drink anymore. (http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/2010/01/tigers_slugger_miguel_cabrera_1.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+detroit-tigers+%28Detroit+Tigers+Impact+-+MLive.com%29&utm)
Who cares? Players like him grow on trees.
What a buttf*cking quitter.
Quote from: powen01 on January 21, 2010, 03:10:15 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on January 21, 2010, 12:32:52 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 21, 2010, 12:29:26 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 11:48:20 AM
This nugget this morning about Miguel Cabrera doing his best to help the Twins out. If I were a GM, this guy would be on my list of players I wouldn't get near with Joe Francis' cock.
Well, I hope you're happy now. Dude can't even drink anymore. (http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/2010/01/tigers_slugger_miguel_cabrera_1.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+detroit-tigers+%28Detroit+Tigers+Impact+-+MLive.com%29&utm)
Who cares? Players like him grow on trees.
What a buttf*cking quitter.
He's in sex rehab too?
Quote from: PenFoe on January 21, 2010, 03:22:37 PM
Quote from: powen01 on January 21, 2010, 03:10:15 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on January 21, 2010, 12:32:52 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 21, 2010, 12:29:26 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 11:48:20 AM
This nugget this morning about Miguel Cabrera doing his best to help the Twins out. If I were a GM, this guy would be on my list of players I wouldn't get near with Joe Francis' cock.
Well, I hope you're happy now. Dude can't even drink anymore. (http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/2010/01/tigers_slugger_miguel_cabrera_1.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+detroit-tigers+%28Detroit+Tigers+Impact+-+MLive.com%29&utm)
Who cares? Players like him grow on trees.
What a buttf*cking quitter.
He's in sex rehab too?
Of course, he f*cked his team during the playoffs.
Rick Reilly is insufferable, but there's a special on Joe Mauer on ESPN right now that's worth checking out if you like him or the Twins.
Quote from: Slaky on January 21, 2010, 12:32:52 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 21, 2010, 12:29:26 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 11:48:20 AM
This nugget this morning about Miguel Cabrera doing his best to help the Twins out. If I were a GM, this guy would be on my list of players I wouldn't get near with Joe Francis' cock.
Well, I hope you're happy now. Dude can't even drink anymore. (http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/2010/01/tigers_slugger_miguel_cabrera_1.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+detroit-tigers+%28Detroit+Tigers+Impact+-+MLive.com%29&utm)
Who cares? Players like him grow on trees.
Bump for a 16 homer, 51 RBI, 352/.423/.675 forest of trees.
Quote from: PenPho on June 03, 2010, 02:47:33 PM
Quote from: Slaky on January 21, 2010, 12:32:52 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 21, 2010, 12:29:26 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 11:48:20 AM
This nugget this morning about Miguel Cabrera doing his best to help the Twins out. If I were a GM, this guy would be on my list of players I wouldn't get near with Joe Francis' cock.
Well, I hope you're happy now. Dude can't even drink anymore. (http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/2010/01/tigers_slugger_miguel_cabrera_1.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+detroit-tigers+%28Detroit+Tigers+Impact+-+MLive.com%29&utm)
Who cares? Players like him grow on trees.
Bump for a 16 homer, 51 RBI, 352/.423/.675 forest of trees.
For every point of OPS, Cabrera saves a Detroit job.
Go Twins! Go Tigers!
Go Gata!
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2j4r577.jpg)
(http://cdn.tauntr.com/sites/default/files/userfiles/BUTTPUNCH.gif)
Fisted Foul?
You guys are stupid. The Rangers are better than the Twins. They got Elvis!
Quote from: JD on July 20, 2010, 06:40:20 PM
You guys are stupid. The Rangers are better than the Twins. They got Elvis!
Eh... Elvis was a hero to most but he never meant shit to me. That said, Neftali Feliz is that dude.
Elvis died for your sins, assholes!
Was just rereading this thread for larfs and thought I'd bump for an update...
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2009, 01:47:10 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 06, 2009, 01:42:41 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 06, 2009, 01:17:17 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 06, 2009, 01:09:17 PM
Quote from: Pre on October 05, 2009, 11:38:29 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 09:02:55 PM
My comment was entirely based on whether or not I (as a GM) would want him on my team for $20M. The answer is still no.
Fair, I can't argue against whether you as a hypothetical GM would want him on your
hypothetical team. I will note that fangraphs puts him being worth an average of
$21 million a year over the last 5. And that's not factoring that you always pay more
for players past arbitration.
I think the closest you could do as far as a comparable player is Teixeira, the two of
them have crazy similar numbers over the last 5 years. Teixeira got 22.5M a year
compared to Miguel's 19M. And Cabrara is 3 years younger.
Obviously it would be better to have Evan Longoria on your hypothetical team, but
since we're not Weebs deciding to do a draft for his MLB2K10 league, it's not a
reasonable comparison.
Cabrera's contract fits well into the good side of baseball deals.
He's a very, very good hitter. The argument could be made that he's worth $20M if he went about his business like Derrek Lee. But he doesn't.
I think that if this was his contract year, considering the weight issues he's had...and factoring his off-field behavior...most GMs (not all) would say "You know, I'm not real excited about committing my money to this for seven years. I'll go after Nick Johnson and spend less than half the money."
... and get less than half the player.
I could gladly live with someone who has a .400 OBP every season.
That's great for the 74 games he plays a year.
Cabrera 2010:
.326/.417/.611/1.029 and 175 OPS+ in 143 games/618 PA
Johnson 2010:
.167/.388/.306/.693 and 88 OPS+ in 24 games/98 PA (before getting shut down by a season-ending wrist injury in early May)
The former's season-to-date valued at $23MM per Fangraph's WAR reckoning, the latter's at $100K.
/fishinbarrel
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on September 20, 2010, 01:05:24 PM
Was just rereading this thread for larfs and thought I'd bump for an update...
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2009, 01:47:10 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 06, 2009, 01:42:41 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 06, 2009, 01:17:17 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 06, 2009, 01:09:17 PM
Quote from: Pre on October 05, 2009, 11:38:29 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 09:02:55 PM
My comment was entirely based on whether or not I (as a GM) would want him on my team for $20M. The answer is still no.
Fair, I can't argue against whether you as a hypothetical GM would want him on your
hypothetical team. I will note that fangraphs puts him being worth an average of
$21 million a year over the last 5. And that's not factoring that you always pay more
for players past arbitration.
I think the closest you could do as far as a comparable player is Teixeira, the two of
them have crazy similar numbers over the last 5 years. Teixeira got 22.5M a year
compared to Miguel's 19M. And Cabrara is 3 years younger.
Obviously it would be better to have Evan Longoria on your hypothetical team, but
since we're not Weebs deciding to do a draft for his MLB2K10 league, it's not a
reasonable comparison.
Cabrera's contract fits well into the good side of baseball deals.
He's a very, very good hitter. The argument could be made that he's worth $20M if he went about his business like Derrek Lee. But he doesn't.
I think that if this was his contract year, considering the weight issues he's had...and factoring his off-field behavior...most GMs (not all) would say "You know, I'm not real excited about committing my money to this for seven years. I'll go after Nick Johnson and spend less than half the money."
... and get less than half the player.
I could gladly live with someone who has a .400 OBP every season.
That's great for the 74 games he plays a year.
Cabrera 2010:
.326/.417/.611/1.029 and 175 OPS+ in 143 games/618 PA
Johnson 2010:
.167/.388/.306/.693 and 88 OPS+ in 24 games/98 PA (before getting shut down by a season-ending wrist injury in early May)
The former's season-to-date valued at $23MM per Fangraph's WAR reckoning, the latter's at $100K.
/fishinbarrel
Do you realize that you just bumped a post in which Chuck was right?
Quote from: Kermit IV on September 20, 2010, 09:10:03 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on September 20, 2010, 01:05:24 PM
Was just rereading this thread for larfs and thought I'd bump for an update...
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2009, 01:47:10 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 06, 2009, 01:42:41 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 06, 2009, 01:17:17 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 06, 2009, 01:09:17 PM
Quote from: Pre on October 05, 2009, 11:38:29 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 09:02:55 PM
My comment was entirely based on whether or not I (as a GM) would want him on my team for $20M. The answer is still no.
Fair, I can't argue against whether you as a hypothetical GM would want him on your
hypothetical team. I will note that fangraphs puts him being worth an average of
$21 million a year over the last 5. And that's not factoring that you always pay more
for players past arbitration.
I think the closest you could do as far as a comparable player is Teixeira, the two of
them have crazy similar numbers over the last 5 years. Teixeira got 22.5M a year
compared to Miguel's 19M. And Cabrara is 3 years younger.
Obviously it would be better to have Evan Longoria on your hypothetical team, but
since we're not Weebs deciding to do a draft for his MLB2K10 league, it's not a
reasonable comparison.
Cabrera's contract fits well into the good side of baseball deals.
He's a very, very good hitter. The argument could be made that he's worth $20M if he went about his business like Derrek Lee. But he doesn't.
I think that if this was his contract year, considering the weight issues he's had...and factoring his off-field behavior...most GMs (not all) would say "You know, I'm not real excited about committing my money to this for seven years. I'll go after Nick Johnson and spend less than half the money."
... and get less than half the player.
I could gladly live with someone who has a .400 OBP every season.
That's great for the 74 games he plays a year.
Cabrera 2010:
.326/.417/.611/1.029 and 175 OPS+ in 143 games/618 PA
Johnson 2010:
.167/.388/.306/.693 and 88 OPS+ in 24 games/98 PA (before getting shut down by a season-ending wrist injury in early May)
The former's season-to-date valued at $23MM per Fangraph's WAR reckoning, the latter's at $100K.
/fishinbarrel
Do you realize that you just bumped a post in which Chuck was right?
Nice choice.
Quote from: Kermit IV on September 20, 2010, 09:10:03 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on September 20, 2010, 01:05:24 PM
Was just rereading this thread for larfs and thought I'd bump for an update...
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2009, 01:47:10 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 06, 2009, 01:42:41 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 06, 2009, 01:17:17 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 06, 2009, 01:09:17 PM
Quote from: Pre on October 05, 2009, 11:38:29 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 09:02:55 PM
My comment was entirely based on whether or not I (as a GM) would want him on my team for $20M. The answer is still no.
Fair, I can't argue against whether you as a hypothetical GM would want him on your
hypothetical team. I will note that fangraphs puts him being worth an average of
$21 million a year over the last 5. And that's not factoring that you always pay more
for players past arbitration.
I think the closest you could do as far as a comparable player is Teixeira, the two of
them have crazy similar numbers over the last 5 years. Teixeira got 22.5M a year
compared to Miguel's 19M. And Cabrara is 3 years younger.
Obviously it would be better to have Evan Longoria on your hypothetical team, but
since we're not Weebs deciding to do a draft for his MLB2K10 league, it's not a
reasonable comparison.
Cabrera's contract fits well into the good side of baseball deals.
He's a very, very good hitter. The argument could be made that he's worth $20M if he went about his business like Derrek Lee. But he doesn't.
I think that if this was his contract year, considering the weight issues he's had...and factoring his off-field behavior...most GMs (not all) would say "You know, I'm not real excited about committing my money to this for seven years. I'll go after Nick Johnson and spend less than half the money."
... and get less than half the player.
I could gladly live with someone who has a .400 OBP every season.
That's great for the 74 games he plays a year.
Cabrera 2010:
.326/.417/.611/1.029 and 175 OPS+ in 143 games/618 PA
Johnson 2010:
.167/.388/.306/.693 and 88 OPS+ in 24 games/98 PA (before getting shut down by a season-ending wrist injury in early May)
The former's season-to-date valued at $23MM per Fangraph's WAR reckoning, the latter's at $100K.
/fishinbarrel
Do you realize that you just bumped a post in which Chuck was right?
Chuck?
Or ChuckD?
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on September 20, 2010, 09:19:27 PM
Quote from: Kermit IV on September 20, 2010, 09:10:03 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on September 20, 2010, 01:05:24 PM
Was just rereading this thread for larfs and thought I'd bump for an update...
Quote from: Eli on October 06, 2009, 01:47:10 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 06, 2009, 01:42:41 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 06, 2009, 01:17:17 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 06, 2009, 01:09:17 PM
Quote from: Pre on October 05, 2009, 11:38:29 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 09:02:55 PM
My comment was entirely based on whether or not I (as a GM) would want him on my team for $20M. The answer is still no.
Fair, I can't argue against whether you as a hypothetical GM would want him on your
hypothetical team. I will note that fangraphs puts him being worth an average of
$21 million a year over the last 5. And that's not factoring that you always pay more
for players past arbitration.
I think the closest you could do as far as a comparable player is Teixeira, the two of
them have crazy similar numbers over the last 5 years. Teixeira got 22.5M a year
compared to Miguel's 19M. And Cabrara is 3 years younger.
Obviously it would be better to have Evan Longoria on your hypothetical team, but
since we're not Weebs deciding to do a draft for his MLB2K10 league, it's not a
reasonable comparison.
Cabrera's contract fits well into the good side of baseball deals.
He's a very, very good hitter. The argument could be made that he's worth $20M if he went about his business like Derrek Lee. But he doesn't.
I think that if this was his contract year, considering the weight issues he's had...and factoring his off-field behavior...most GMs (not all) would say "You know, I'm not real excited about committing my money to this for seven years. I'll go after Nick Johnson and spend less than half the money."
... and get less than half the player.
I could gladly live with someone who has a .400 OBP every season.
That's great for the 74 games he plays a year.
Cabrera 2010:
.326/.417/.611/1.029 and 175 OPS+ in 143 games/618 PA
Johnson 2010:
.167/.388/.306/.693 and 88 OPS+ in 24 games/98 PA (before getting shut down by a season-ending wrist injury in early May)
The former's season-to-date valued at $23MM per Fangraph's WAR reckoning, the latter's at $100K.
/fishinbarrel
Do you realize that you just bumped a post in which Chuck was right?
Chuck?
Or ChuckD?
I'm a dope. Good call, ChuckD.
Chuck G., just continue your unbroken lifelong streak of wrong.
The Twins' victory tonight means their magic number is down to one. If the Shite Sox lose in Oakland, the Twins will be the first to clinch a postseason berth.
Quote from: Night Man on September 21, 2010, 10:22:34 PM
The Twins' victory tonight means their magic number is down to one. If the Shite Sox lose in Oakland, the Twins will be the first to clinch a postseason berth.
Aaaaand done.
I love you, Twins.
Quote from: CT III on September 29, 2009, 09:05:40 PM
That said, fuck the Twins too. They'll overtake the Tigers and Joe Morgan can rapsodize about small ball for a bit, and then they can lose in the ALDS to a team with a real payroll like always.
Bumped for like always.
Quote from: CT III on October 11, 2010, 02:26:48 PM
Quote from: CT III on September 29, 2009, 09:05:40 PM
That said, fuck the Twins too. They'll overtake the Tigers and Joe Morgan can rapsodize about small ball for a bit, and then they can lose in the ALDS to a team with a real payroll like always.
Bumped for like always.
Well played.
Quote from: JD on July 20, 2010, 06:40:20 PM
You guys are stupid. The Rangers are better than the Twins. They got Elvis!
Bump'd
And eff the Twins and BK's stupid effin' crush on 'em.
Quote from: JD on October 22, 2010, 10:21:49 PM
Quote from: JD on July 20, 2010, 06:40:20 PM
You guys are stupid. The Rangers are better than the Twins. They got Elvis!
Bump'd
And eff the Twins and BK's stupid effin' crush on 'em.
I had no clue they had the pitching to do what they're doing, but God bless 'em for ruining the weekend for Yankees fans everywhere.
I was actually at the game tonight. Pretty fun to watch ARod go down to end it. Holy shit do they hate him here.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 23, 2010, 12:45:58 AM
Holy shit do they hate him here.
I can't imagine why.
No, really. I don't understand why they would hate him. He signed a massive contract for their miserable franchise, played more than well enough to justify it and then the team decided they couldn't afford him and traded him away.
Quote from: Eli on October 23, 2010, 07:54:43 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 23, 2010, 12:45:58 AM
Holy shit do they hate him here.
I can't imagine why.
No, really. I don't understand why they would hate him. He signed a massive contract for their miserable franchise, played more than well enough to justify it and then the team decided they couldn't afford him and traded him away.
Why can't Rangers fans be more rational with their hatred?
Quote from: CT III on October 23, 2010, 08:54:17 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 23, 2010, 07:54:43 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 23, 2010, 12:45:58 AM
Holy shit do they hate him here.
I can't imagine why.
No, really. I don't understand why they would hate him. He signed a massive contract for their miserable franchise, played more than well enough to justify it and then the team decided they couldn't afford him and traded him away.
Why can't Rangers fans be more rational with their hatred?
The only hate I support is rational hate.
Did you know Josh Hamilton was a cub at one point?
Well if you didn't you will know now. I expect about 15 articles by the usual suspects mention this.
Quote from: BBM on October 25, 2010, 03:06:56 PM
Did you know Josh Hamilton was a cub at one point?
Well if you didn't you will know now. I expect about 15 articles by the usual suspects mention this.
http://hirejimessian.com/2006/12/08/remembering-the-josh-hamilton-era-december-7-2006-december-7-2006/ (http://hirejimessian.com/2006/12/08/remembering-the-josh-hamilton-era-december-7-2006-december-7-2006/)
Don't look, Pen. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/gallery/2011/jan/02/photography-detroit#/?picture=370173054&index=0) DON'T
Quote from: Night Man on January 02, 2011, 02:49:01 PM
Don't look, Pen. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/gallery/2011/jan/02/photography-detroit#/?picture=370173054&index=0) DON'T
Christ, Detroit does indeed suck.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on January 02, 2011, 04:45:48 PM
Quote from: Night Man on January 02, 2011, 02:49:01 PM
Don't look, Pen. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/gallery/2011/jan/02/photography-detroit#/?picture=370173054&index=0) DON'T
Christ, Detroit does indeed suck. is indeed tragic and needs our love and support.
Have a heart'd.
Quote from: PenPho on January 03, 2011, 09:53:53 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on January 02, 2011, 04:45:48 PM
Quote from: Night Man on January 02, 2011, 02:49:01 PM
Don't look, Pen. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/gallery/2011/jan/02/photography-detroit#/?picture=370173054&index=0) DON'T
Christ, Detroit does indeed suck. is indeed tragic and needs our love and support to be put out of its misery.
Have a heart'd.
Euthanasia'd.
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on January 03, 2011, 09:59:24 AM
Quote from: PenPho on January 03, 2011, 09:53:53 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on January 02, 2011, 04:45:48 PM
Quote from: Night Man on January 02, 2011, 02:49:01 PM
Don't look, Pen. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/gallery/2011/jan/02/photography-detroit#/?picture=370173054&index=0) DON'T
Christ, Detroit does indeed suck. is indeed tragic and needs our love and support to be put out of its misery
Have a heart'd.
Euthanasia'd.
But seriously'd
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 09:02:55 PM
Quote from: Pre on October 05, 2009, 04:15:08 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 02:03:36 PM
Sorry, you can have that. Also, First Basemen with low .900 OPS basically grow on trees. There were 12 of them that had a qualifying number of ABs. Cabrera was eighth on the list.
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_player_stats.jsp?teamPosCode=3&statType=1&timeFrame=1&c_id=mlb&statSet1=2&sitSplit=&venueID=§ion1=1&subScope=pos&baseballScope=mlb&timeSubFrame=2009&&sortByStat=OPS
I'm not saying Cabrera's worth the price, but you do realize 2 ABs
is not qualifying for anything other than not mattering in any way.
A good rule of thumb that you might consider using is any list that
says Justin Huber is the 4th best 1B in the MLB is wrong.
Lee will be 34 and has a career 125 OPS+
Fatty will be 27 and has a career 140 OPS+
I like Lee, he's under contract, no way in the world the Cubs get
Cabrera, so it's a silly topic.
But to call him the 12th best 1B in the league is crazy crazy crazy
crazy sauce.
I didn't say he was the 12th best, I was trying to say that there were 12 first basemen with more than 500 PAs (qualifying) that were over .900 OPS. What he gives you is not completely irreplaceable.
My comment was entirely based on whether or not I (as a GM) would want him on my team for $20M. The answer is still no.
Bump (http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2011/feb/17/baseball-star-miguel-cabrera-arrested-dui-st-lucie/) for my answer still being yes.
Quote from: PenPho on February 17, 2011, 10:11:13 AM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 09:02:55 PM
Quote from: Pre on October 05, 2009, 04:15:08 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 02:03:36 PM
Sorry, you can have that. Also, First Basemen with low .900 OPS basically grow on trees. There were 12 of them that had a qualifying number of ABs. Cabrera was eighth on the list.
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_player_stats.jsp?teamPosCode=3&statType=1&timeFrame=1&c_id=mlb&statSet1=2&sitSplit=&venueID=§ion1=1&subScope=pos&baseballScope=mlb&timeSubFrame=2009&&sortByStat=OPS
I'm not saying Cabrera's worth the price, but you do realize 2 ABs
is not qualifying for anything other than not mattering in any way.
A good rule of thumb that you might consider using is any list that
says Justin Huber is the 4th best 1B in the MLB is wrong.
Lee will be 34 and has a career 125 OPS+
Fatty will be 27 and has a career 140 OPS+
I like Lee, he's under contract, no way in the world the Cubs get
Cabrera, so it's a silly topic.
But to call him the 12th best 1B in the league is crazy crazy crazy
crazy sauce.
I didn't say he was the 12th best, I was trying to say that there were 12 first basemen with more than 500 PAs (qualifying) that were over .900 OPS. What he gives you is not completely irreplaceable.
My comment was entirely based on whether or not I (as a GM) would want him on my team for $20M. The answer is still no.
Bump (http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2011/feb/17/baseball-star-miguel-cabrera-arrested-dui-st-lucie/) for my answer still being yes.
Standing next to a car while drunk with smoke coming out of it is a DUI? Do you not have to be caught driving the vehicle?
Quote from: BH on February 17, 2011, 10:23:48 AM
Quote from: PenPho on February 17, 2011, 10:11:13 AM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 09:02:55 PM
Quote from: Pre on October 05, 2009, 04:15:08 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 02:03:36 PM
Sorry, you can have that. Also, First Basemen with low .900 OPS basically grow on trees. There were 12 of them that had a qualifying number of ABs. Cabrera was eighth on the list.
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_player_stats.jsp?teamPosCode=3&statType=1&timeFrame=1&c_id=mlb&statSet1=2&sitSplit=&venueID=§ion1=1&subScope=pos&baseballScope=mlb&timeSubFrame=2009&&sortByStat=OPS
I'm not saying Cabrera's worth the price, but you do realize 2 ABs
is not qualifying for anything other than not mattering in any way.
A good rule of thumb that you might consider using is any list that
says Justin Huber is the 4th best 1B in the MLB is wrong.
Lee will be 34 and has a career 125 OPS+
Fatty will be 27 and has a career 140 OPS+
I like Lee, he's under contract, no way in the world the Cubs get
Cabrera, so it's a silly topic.
But to call him the 12th best 1B in the league is crazy crazy crazy
crazy sauce.
I didn't say he was the 12th best, I was trying to say that there were 12 first basemen with more than 500 PAs (qualifying) that were over .900 OPS. What he gives you is not completely irreplaceable.
My comment was entirely based on whether or not I (as a GM) would want him on my team for $20M. The answer is still no.
Bump (http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2011/feb/17/baseball-star-miguel-cabrera-arrested-dui-st-lucie/) for my answer still being yes.
Standing next to a car while drunk with smoke coming out of it is a DUI? Do you not have to be caught driving the vehicle?
Thought it was in the front seat with keys in the ignition.
Quote from: BH on February 17, 2011, 10:23:48 AM
Quote from: PenPho on February 17, 2011, 10:11:13 AM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 09:02:55 PM
Quote from: Pre on October 05, 2009, 04:15:08 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 02:03:36 PM
Sorry, you can have that. Also, First Basemen with low .900 OPS basically grow on trees. There were 12 of them that had a qualifying number of ABs. Cabrera was eighth on the list.
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_player_stats.jsp?teamPosCode=3&statType=1&timeFrame=1&c_id=mlb&statSet1=2&sitSplit=&venueID=§ion1=1&subScope=pos&baseballScope=mlb&timeSubFrame=2009&&sortByStat=OPS
I'm not saying Cabrera's worth the price, but you do realize 2 ABs
is not qualifying for anything other than not mattering in any way.
A good rule of thumb that you might consider using is any list that
says Justin Huber is the 4th best 1B in the MLB is wrong.
Lee will be 34 and has a career 125 OPS+
Fatty will be 27 and has a career 140 OPS+
I like Lee, he's under contract, no way in the world the Cubs get
Cabrera, so it's a silly topic.
But to call him the 12th best 1B in the league is crazy crazy crazy
crazy sauce.
I didn't say he was the 12th best, I was trying to say that there were 12 first basemen with more than 500 PAs (qualifying) that were over .900 OPS. What he gives you is not completely irreplaceable.
My comment was entirely based on whether or not I (as a GM) would want him on my team for $20M. The answer is still no.
Bump (http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2011/feb/17/baseball-star-miguel-cabrera-arrested-dui-st-lucie/) for my answer still being yes.
Standing next to a car while drunk with smoke coming out of it is a DUI? Do you not have to be caught driving the vehicle?
I dont think you do, just be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that you had to have been driving while intoxicated. Being alone, sloshed, with a running car, or being asleep at a stop sign is apparently enough in Fla.
Quote from: thehawk on February 17, 2011, 10:40:02 AM
Quote from: BH on February 17, 2011, 10:23:48 AM
Quote from: PenPho on February 17, 2011, 10:11:13 AM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 09:02:55 PM
Quote from: Pre on October 05, 2009, 04:15:08 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 02:03:36 PM
Sorry, you can have that. Also, First Basemen with low .900 OPS basically grow on trees. There were 12 of them that had a qualifying number of ABs. Cabrera was eighth on the list.
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_player_stats.jsp?teamPosCode=3&statType=1&timeFrame=1&c_id=mlb&statSet1=2&sitSplit=&venueID=§ion1=1&subScope=pos&baseballScope=mlb&timeSubFrame=2009&&sortByStat=OPS
I'm not saying Cabrera's worth the price, but you do realize 2 ABs
is not qualifying for anything other than not mattering in any way.
A good rule of thumb that you might consider using is any list that
says Justin Huber is the 4th best 1B in the MLB is wrong.
Lee will be 34 and has a career 125 OPS+
Fatty will be 27 and has a career 140 OPS+
I like Lee, he's under contract, no way in the world the Cubs get
Cabrera, so it's a silly topic.
But to call him the 12th best 1B in the league is crazy crazy crazy
crazy sauce.
I didn't say he was the 12th best, I was trying to say that there were 12 first basemen with more than 500 PAs (qualifying) that were over .900 OPS. What he gives you is not completely irreplaceable.
My comment was entirely based on whether or not I (as a GM) would want him on my team for $20M. The answer is still no.
Bump (http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2011/feb/17/baseball-star-miguel-cabrera-arrested-dui-st-lucie/) for my answer still being yes.
Standing next to a car while drunk with smoke coming out of it is a DUI? Do you not have to be caught driving the vehicle?
I dont think you do, just be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that you had to have been driving while intoxicated. Being alone, sloshed, with a running car, or being asleep at a stop sign is apparently enough in Fla.
I'm confused about how to feel about Miguel Cabrera. If I hate him, don't I hate Detroit?
But, then, I'm sure Gil's buddies from the UAW would point out a particular detail on the police report:
(http://media.tcpalm.com/media/img/photos/2011/02/17/cabrera01_t607.jpg)
Lamborghini? That's not imported from Detroit. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKL254Y_jtc)
UPDATE: Did Kirby Puckett help ruin Detroit (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/DET/DET198710110.shtml) or valiantly try to save it from ruin? (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:XGU7Yux9JrgJ:www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-62577284.html+%22KIRBY+PUCKETT%22+ROLLOVER+CRASH&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com)
Quote from: Brownie on February 17, 2011, 11:02:25 AM
Quote from: thehawk on February 17, 2011, 10:40:02 AM
Quote from: BH on February 17, 2011, 10:23:48 AM
Quote from: PenPho on February 17, 2011, 10:11:13 AM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 09:02:55 PM
Quote from: Pre on October 05, 2009, 04:15:08 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 02:03:36 PM
Sorry, you can have that. Also, First Basemen with low .900 OPS basically grow on trees. There were 12 of them that had a qualifying number of ABs. Cabrera was eighth on the list.
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_player_stats.jsp?teamPosCode=3&statType=1&timeFrame=1&c_id=mlb&statSet1=2&sitSplit=&venueID=§ion1=1&subScope=pos&baseballScope=mlb&timeSubFrame=2009&&sortByStat=OPS
I'm not saying Cabrera's worth the price, but you do realize 2 ABs
is not qualifying for anything other than not mattering in any way.
A good rule of thumb that you might consider using is any list that
says Justin Huber is the 4th best 1B in the MLB is wrong.
Lee will be 34 and has a career 125 OPS+
Fatty will be 27 and has a career 140 OPS+
I like Lee, he's under contract, no way in the world the Cubs get
Cabrera, so it's a silly topic.
But to call him the 12th best 1B in the league is crazy crazy crazy
crazy sauce.
I didn't say he was the 12th best, I was trying to say that there were 12 first basemen with more than 500 PAs (qualifying) that were over .900 OPS. What he gives you is not completely irreplaceable.
My comment was entirely based on whether or not I (as a GM) would want him on my team for $20M. The answer is still no.
Bump (http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2011/feb/17/baseball-star-miguel-cabrera-arrested-dui-st-lucie/) for my answer still being yes.
Standing next to a car while drunk with smoke coming out of it is a DUI? Do you not have to be caught driving the vehicle?
I dont think you do, just be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that you had to have been driving while intoxicated. Being alone, sloshed, with a running car, or being asleep at a stop sign is apparently enough in Fla.
I'm confused about how to feel about Miguel Cabrera. If I hate him, don't I hate Detroit?
But, then, I'm sure Gil's buddies from the UAW would point out a particular detail on the police report:
(http://media.tcpalm.com/media/img/photos/2011/02/17/cabrera01_t607.jpg)
Lamborghini? That's not imported from Detroit. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKL254Y_jtc)
UPDATE: Did Kirby Puckett help ruin Detroit (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/DET/DET198710110.shtml) or valiantly try to save it from ruin? (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:XGU7Yux9JrgJ:www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-62577284.html+%22KIRBY+PUCKETT%22+ROLLOVER+CRASH&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com)
Those UAW people were the same who, upon my arrival at their HQ in Rockford, told me that I couldn't park in their lot, because it was for "American and Canadian Made" cars only.
The ghey buttcruiser wept that day.
In short, fuck them.
So, Pen hates Cabrera for drinky drivey but loves Rosthslesburger for drinky rapey?
Fuck you, Pen.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on February 17, 2011, 03:52:20 PM
Quote from: Brownie on February 17, 2011, 11:02:25 AM
Quote from: thehawk on February 17, 2011, 10:40:02 AM
Quote from: BH on February 17, 2011, 10:23:48 AM
Quote from: PenPho on February 17, 2011, 10:11:13 AM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 09:02:55 PM
Quote from: Pre on October 05, 2009, 04:15:08 PM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 02:03:36 PM
Sorry, you can have that. Also, First Basemen with low .900 OPS basically grow on trees. There were 12 of them that had a qualifying number of ABs. Cabrera was eighth on the list.
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_player_stats.jsp?teamPosCode=3&statType=1&timeFrame=1&c_id=mlb&statSet1=2&sitSplit=&venueID=§ion1=1&subScope=pos&baseballScope=mlb&timeSubFrame=2009&&sortByStat=OPS
I'm not saying Cabrera's worth the price, but you do realize 2 ABs
is not qualifying for anything other than not mattering in any way.
A good rule of thumb that you might consider using is any list that
says Justin Huber is the 4th best 1B in the MLB is wrong.
Lee will be 34 and has a career 125 OPS+
Fatty will be 27 and has a career 140 OPS+
I like Lee, he's under contract, no way in the world the Cubs get
Cabrera, so it's a silly topic.
But to call him the 12th best 1B in the league is crazy crazy crazy
crazy sauce.
I didn't say he was the 12th best, I was trying to say that there were 12 first basemen with more than 500 PAs (qualifying) that were over .900 OPS. What he gives you is not completely irreplaceable.
My comment was entirely based on whether or not I (as a GM) would want him on my team for $20M. The answer is still no.
Bump (http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2011/feb/17/baseball-star-miguel-cabrera-arrested-dui-st-lucie/) for my answer still being yes.
Standing next to a car while drunk with smoke coming out of it is a DUI? Do you not have to be caught driving the vehicle?
I dont think you do, just be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that you had to have been driving while intoxicated. Being alone, sloshed, with a running car, or being asleep at a stop sign is apparently enough in Fla.
I'm confused about how to feel about Miguel Cabrera. If I hate him, don't I hate Detroit?
But, then, I'm sure Gil's buddies from the UAW would point out a particular detail on the police report:
(http://media.tcpalm.com/media/img/photos/2011/02/17/cabrera01_t607.jpg)
Lamborghini? That's not imported from Detroit. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKL254Y_jtc)
UPDATE: Did Kirby Puckett help ruin Detroit (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/DET/DET198710110.shtml) or valiantly try to save it from ruin? (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:XGU7Yux9JrgJ:www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-62577284.html+%22KIRBY+PUCKETT%22+ROLLOVER+CRASH&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com)
Those UAW people were the same who, upon my arrival at their HQ in Rockford, told me that I couldn't park in their lot, because it was for "American and Canadian Made" cars only.
The ghey buttcruiser wept that day.
In short, fuck them.
I know those UAW guys are sticklers, by why would they have a problem with the arresting officer's name being Lamborghini?
Quote from: Brownie on February 17, 2011, 11:02:25 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/WT20C.jpg)
—She said, "Okeechobee."
—She's okey-dokey.
(http://i.imgur.com/TWdrq.jpg?6733)
Jersey foul.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 26, 2011, 10:52:14 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/TWdrq.jpg?6733)
Jersey foul.
Jersey might be the only state where that's acceptable.
Quote from: Fork on June 27, 2011, 07:37:40 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 26, 2011, 10:52:14 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/TWdrq.jpg?6733)
Jersey foul.
Jersey might be the only state where that's acceptable.
I'm pretty sure Wisconsin and Minnesota will both allow it.
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 27, 2011, 09:27:47 AM
Quote from: Fork on June 27, 2011, 07:37:40 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 26, 2011, 10:52:14 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/TWdrq.jpg?6733)
Jersey foul.
Jersey might be the only state where that's acceptable.
I'm pretty sure Wisconsin and Minnesota will both allow it.
Intrepid Reader: TECDamn. If I had done this, I wouldn't be stuck with that stupid Nomar jersey.
Doesn't anyone in Minnesota care about the Detroit economy?
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 02:03:36 PM
It's less about him being a "Clubhouse Cancer", and more about the fact that I'd be nervous paying this guy an average of $19M over seven years when he clearly doesn't take care of himself...and apparently, has some pretty shitty judgment to go along with it. If there's anything we've learned recently from the thrilling action of Cubs baseball...it should be the damage of bad/risky contracts that you can't unload.
Here's Cabrera's contract schedule: 08:$11.3M, 09:$15M, 10:$20M, 11:$20M, 12:$21M, 13:$21M, 14:$22M, 15:$22M
Sorry, you can have that. Also, First Basemen with low .900 OPS basically grow on trees. There were 12 of them that had a qualifying number of ABs. Cabrera was eighth on the list.
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_player_stats.jsp?teamPosCode=3&statType=1&timeFrame=1&c_id=mlb&statSet1=2&sitSplit=&venueID=§ion1=1&subScope=pos&baseballScope=mlb&timeSubFrame=2009&&sortByStat=OPS
So yea...I don't really feel like I need him for that price.
Triple Crowns basically grow on trees.
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 02:03:36 PM
Here's Cabrera's contract schedule: 08:$11.3M, 09:$15M, 10:$20M, 11:$20M, 12:$21M, 13:$21M, 14:$22M, 15:$22M
Sorry, you can have that. Also, First Basemen with low .900 OPS basically grow on trees.
2016-23: $248MM (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2014/03/27/miguel-cabrera-contract-extension-detroit-tigers-30-million-per-year/6977547/)
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on March 28, 2014, 01:05:15 AM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 02:03:36 PM
Here's Cabrera's contract schedule: 08:$11.3M, 09:$15M, 10:$20M, 11:$20M, 12:$21M, 13:$21M, 14:$22M, 15:$22M
Sorry, you can have that. Also, First Basemen with low .900 OPS basically grow on trees.
2016-23: $248MM (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2014/03/27/miguel-cabrera-contract-extension-detroit-tigers-30-million-per-year/6977547/)
He's great now, but ... (I guess I'll go a little LDA here) what the fuck are they thinking? He's going to make, what, $35-40MM/yr when he's 37-40?
(http://i.imgur.com/gqjfTuR.png)
That "big" guy curve actually fits his career arc pretty well so long as you add 4 WAR to the vertical axis. Based off the age curve and a going rate of $5MM/WAR and 3% inflation, it looks to me something like:
(http://i.imgur.com/UnAtRQl.png)
Keep in mind, he was already under contract for 2014-15.
There's a few ways that this makes any sense.
a) Detroit thinks he'll defy the age curve and still be the 7-8 WAR player he is now.
b) Detroit thinks we're going to see inflation of 8+% over the next 10 years and they'll essentially be getting more value from him when he's 38-40 than they are now.
c) Detroit expects that the Yankees or Dodgers are going to jump at the chance to eat the tail end of the contract (this is the most plausible).
d) Detroit thinks TV contracts will boost contract values and the $/win amount at a rate that's essentially equal to 8+% inflation.
Maybe everyone's going to get paid from TV, but this ... this seems like it's set up to cripple Detroit more than the rise of cheap Asian labor.
Also, I feel decidedly Chuck-like after that. Atonement:
(http://i.imgur.com/53CBALi.jpg)
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on March 28, 2014, 01:05:15 AM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 02:03:36 PM
Here's Cabrera's contract schedule: 08:$11.3M, 09:$15M, 10:$20M, 11:$20M, 12:$21M, 13:$21M, 14:$22M, 15:$22M
Sorry, you can have that. Also, First Basemen with low .900 OPS basically grow on trees.
2016-23: $248MM (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2014/03/27/miguel-cabrera-contract-extension-detroit-tigers-30-million-per-year/6977547/)
Shorter version of what ChuckD said: That's going to be a horrible contract pretty soon.
On the other hand, baseball doesn't give bonus points for accumulating the most surplus value. Good players cost a ton of money and this is probably what the best hitter in baseball costs at this point.
Also, Mike Trout is going to get a $500 million contract.
Quote from: Eli on March 28, 2014, 08:29:44 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on March 28, 2014, 01:05:15 AM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 02:03:36 PM
Here's Cabrera's contract schedule: 08:$11.3M, 09:$15M, 10:$20M, 11:$20M, 12:$21M, 13:$21M, 14:$22M, 15:$22M
Sorry, you can have that. Also, First Basemen with low .900 OPS basically grow on trees.
2016-23: $248MM (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2014/03/27/miguel-cabrera-contract-extension-detroit-tigers-30-million-per-year/6977547/)
Shorter version of what ChuckD said: That's going to be a horrible contract pretty soon.
On the other hand, baseball doesn't give bonus points for accumulating the most surplus value. Good players cost a ton of money and this is probably what the best hitter in baseball costs at this point.
Also, Mike Trout is going to get a $500 million contract.
Cabrera will eventually ply his trade in the New York Metropolitan Area. An aging overpaid power hitter has Yankee/Met written all over it.
Quote from: ChuckD on March 28, 2014, 02:27:01 AM
Keep in mind, he was already under contract for 2014-15.
This is the weirdest part, honestly.
Seems to suggest they think $31MM per through age 40 offers a
discount over what Cabrera would get two years from now. Dombrowski must be terrified of the future of MLB free agency.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on March 28, 2014, 09:34:27 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on March 28, 2014, 02:27:01 AM
Keep in mind, he was already under contract for 2014-15.
This is the weirdest part, honestly.
Seems to suggest they think $31MM per through age 40 offers a discount over what Cabrera would get two years from now. Dombrowski must be terrified of the future of MLB free agency.
Like Dan says, I think the alternative was getting too close to his walk year without a deal and realizing he was going to get more money from the Yankees or Angels or Dodgers, etc. My guess is the Tigers know he might damn well stink by the time he's in the final few years of this deal but to squeeze 4-5 more years like the last few out of him is worth it, to them.
I don't love the deal but the cost of having one of the top 2 hitters in the whole sport is pretty much this.
Quote from: Slaky on March 28, 2014, 10:10:12 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on March 28, 2014, 09:34:27 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on March 28, 2014, 02:27:01 AM
Keep in mind, he was already under contract for 2014-15.
This is the weirdest part, honestly.
Seems to suggest they think $31MM per through age 40 offers a discount over what Cabrera would get two years from now. Dombrowski must be terrified of the future of MLB free agency.
Like Dan says, I think the alternative was getting too close to his walk year without a deal and realizing he was going to get more money from the Yankees or Angels or Dodgers, etc.
Hence the $248MM/8y starting in his age 33 season being a "discount".
But Eli's point is well taken.
Quote from: Eli on March 28, 2014, 08:29:44 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on March 28, 2014, 01:05:15 AM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 02:03:36 PM
Here's Cabrera's contract schedule: 08:$11.3M, 09:$15M, 10:$20M, 11:$20M, 12:$21M, 13:$21M, 14:$22M, 15:$22M
Sorry, you can have that. Also, First Basemen with low .900 OPS basically grow on trees.
2016-23: $248MM (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2014/03/27/miguel-cabrera-contract-extension-detroit-tigers-30-million-per-year/6977547/)
Shorter version of what ChuckD said: That's going to be a horrible contract pretty soon.
On the other hand, baseball doesn't give bonus points for accumulating the most surplus value. Good players cost a ton of money and this is probably what the best hitter in baseball costs at this point.
Also, Mike Trout is going to get a $500 million contract.
Really? Because I would say they
absolutely give "bonus points" to guys who've accumulated the most surplus value. It's just that the "bonus points" are legal tender and can be exchanged for goods and services.
You basically get underpaid for your first 5-7 years in the league, generating value for the team far in excess of your salary. Then you sign a massive long-term deal, (age curves be damned!) where it's almost a given that you'll be overpaid relative to your actual value.
I just realized I uploaded the wrong image. The table above is assuming there's 8+% growth due to inflation/rising contracts. Here's the same table but using 3% inflation.
(http://i.imgur.com/zPdBzPz.png)
Have fun with that, Tigers!
Quote from: ChuckD on March 28, 2014, 11:02:46 AM
Quote from: Eli on March 28, 2014, 08:29:44 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on March 28, 2014, 01:05:15 AM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on October 05, 2009, 02:03:36 PM
Here's Cabrera's contract schedule: 08:$11.3M, 09:$15M, 10:$20M, 11:$20M, 12:$21M, 13:$21M, 14:$22M, 15:$22M
Sorry, you can have that. Also, First Basemen with low .900 OPS basically grow on trees.
2016-23: $248MM (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2014/03/27/miguel-cabrera-contract-extension-detroit-tigers-30-million-per-year/6977547/)
Shorter version of what ChuckD said: That's going to be a horrible contract pretty soon.
On the other hand, baseball doesn't give bonus points for accumulating the most surplus value. Good players cost a ton of money and this is probably what the best hitter in baseball costs at this point.
Also, Mike Trout is going to get a $500 million contract.
Really? Because I would say they absolutely give "bonus points" to guys who've accumulated the most surplus value. It's just that the "bonus points" are legal tender and can be exchanged for goods and services.
You basically get underpaid for your first 5-7 years in the league, generating value for the team far in excess of your salary. Then you sign a massive long-term deal, (age curves be damned!) where it's almost a given that you'll be overpaid relative to your actual value.
I think Eli meant that
teams aren't directly rewarded
in baseball terms for fielding value in excess of what they're paying for.
Which is to say, given the economics of baseball, overpaying for a player in absolute terms is not necessarily, in and of itself, a mortal sin.
Rather, when it comes to signing singular talents that are by definition as scarce as they are irreplaceable, overpaying is a virtual guarantee.
Some overpayments are worse than others, though.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on March 28, 2014, 11:40:34 AM
I think Eli meant that teams aren't directly rewarded in baseball terms for fielding value in excess of what they're paying for.
Correct.
It's also been mentioned in several places that Mike Ilitch is like a thousand years old and he's pushing this. Seems like a reasonable point.
Quote from: Eli on March 28, 2014, 12:11:09 PM
It's also been mentioned in several places that Mike Ilitch is like a thousand years old and he's pushing this. Seems like a reasonable point.
Ilitch probably would have been a reasonable Dead Pool choice (http://www.blessyouboys.com/2014/3/5/5476100/detroit-tigers-owner-mike-ilitch-batling-health-issues). No word on why they used a picture of Phil Spector here though.
Meanwhile, in Los Angeles of Anaheim... (https://twitter.com/jay_jaffe/status/449735403407679488)
QuoteIf Mike Trout is getting 6/$140M, that's about half of what he's worth http://mlb.si.com/2014/02/24/mike-trout-what-is-he-really-worth/
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on March 28, 2014, 09:44:35 PM
Meanwhile, in Los Angeles of Anaheim... (https://twitter.com/jay_jaffe/status/449735403407679488)
QuoteIf Mike Trout is getting 6/$140M, that's about half of what he's worth http://mlb.si.com/2014/02/24/mike-trout-what-is-he-really-worth/
He'll be worth (as in, you know... actually
worth) $60MM in his age 27 season, and will still be on the way up? Holy fucking shit. I wish he were a Cub.