2009 College Football Thread

[BH]

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""Not everybody is the perfect person in the world," Pryor said of Vick. "Everyone does -- kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me. I just feel that people need to give him a chance.""

[Gil Gunderson]

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""Not everybody is the perfect person in the world," Pryor said of Vick. "Everyone does -- kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me. I just feel that people need to give him a chance.""

He's right.  In fact, I killed three guys before coming into work today.  No biggie.

[Ghost of Dave Rosello]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4451405

""Not everybody is the perfect person in the world," Pryor said of Vick. "Everyone does -- kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me. I just feel that people need to give him a chance.""

Ted Lilly doesn't see a problem with this quote.

[Ghost of Dave Rosello]

Yes, Iowa got lucky.  But can anyone explain the logic of why a blocked kick that doesn't cross the line of scrimmage that is recovered by the kicking team results in a clock stoppage?  Why is that any different from a fumble recovery or a recovery of a dropped lateral?

Considering that he is not only our Resident Desipio Rules Expert but an Iowa grad, I would expect a Dave B. post in 3...2...1...

If the answer is, "Because the rule is written that way," then it's a fucking dumb rule.  One hopes it's not because a blocked FG takes longer to untangle the bodies than any other type of play does.

There is some logic here.  Right?

A blocked field goal is treated like an incomplete pass.

[Slaky]

So it looks like I'm going to spend the rest of the college football season hoping that the Notre Dame win was a fluke, hoping USC loses to someone and watching the SEC eat itself.

Fun?

[Chuck to Chuck]

A blocked field goal is treated like an incomplete pass.

That's nuts.  It's a live ball when it hits the ground like a fumble.  I could see it treated as incomplete if it's a dead ball when it hits the ground.  Is that college only or NFL too?

[Quality Start Machine]

A blocked field goal is treated like an incomplete pass.

That's nuts.  It's a live ball when it hits the ground like a fumble.  I could see it treated as incomplete if it's a dead ball when it hits the ground.  Is that college only or NFL too?

I thought it was a live ball behind the line of scrimmage, can't be advanced by the kicking team if it's beyond the line of scrimmage.

[Ghost of Dave Rosello]

A blocked field goal is treated like an incomplete pass.

That's nuts.  It's a live ball when it hits the ground like a fumble.  I could see it treated as incomplete if it's a dead ball when it hits the ground.  Is that college only or NFL too?

I thought it was a live ball behind the line of scrimmage, can't be advanced by the kicking team if it's beyond the line of scrimmage.

That's correct. But in terms of the clock, it's treated like an incomplete pass, clock stops and they respot the ball.

If the ball is beyond the LOS and is touched by the defensive team, the kicking team can recover it. That's why the Iowa kids stayed away from the ball the first time.

[Chuck to Chuck]

A blocked field goal is treated like an incomplete pass.

That's nuts.  It's a live ball when it hits the ground like a fumble.  I could see it treated as incomplete if it's a dead ball when it hits the ground.  Is that college only or NFL too?

I thought it was a live ball behind the line of scrimmage, can't be advanced by the kicking team if it's beyond the line of scrimmage.

That's correct. But in terms of the clock, it's treated like an incomplete pass, clock stops and they respot the ball.

If the ball is beyond the LOS and is touched by the defensive team, the kicking team can recover it. That's why the Iowa kids stayed away from the ball the first time.

Can the kicking team advance the ball if recovered behind the line?  I seem to recall a Bear-Packer game that allowed such an advance, but that ball was caught on the fly if I remember right.

[Ghost of Dave Rosello]

A blocked field goal is treated like an incomplete pass.

That's nuts.  It's a live ball when it hits the ground like a fumble.  I could see it treated as incomplete if it's a dead ball when it hits the ground.  Is that college only or NFL too?

I thought it was a live ball behind the line of scrimmage, can't be advanced by the kicking team if it's beyond the line of scrimmage.

That's correct. But in terms of the clock, it's treated like an incomplete pass, clock stops and they respot the ball.

If the ball is beyond the LOS and is touched by the defensive team, the kicking team can recover it. That's why the Iowa kids stayed away from the ball the first time.

Can the kicking team advance the ball if recovered behind the line?  I seem to recall a Bear-Packer game that allowed such an advance, but that ball was caught on the fly if I remember right.

According to the NCAA rulebook the kicking team can recover - and advance - a blocked kick or punt that is picked up behind the LOS. I assume this is still true in the NFL as well.

And I remember that game too. Chester Marcol was the kicker for the Packers who picked up the ball and ran it in for a TD in overtime.

[Chuck to Chuck]

According to the NCAA rulebook the kicking team can recover - and advance - a blocked kick or punt that is picked up behind the LOS. I assume this is still true in the NFL as well.

OK.  Then there is no logic to this being considered the same as an incomplete pass.

I now have a new direction for my bile now that Alfonso Soriano is in the right place to help the Cubs the most.

[MAD]

A blocked field goal is treated like an incomplete pass.

That's nuts.  It's a live ball when it hits the ground like a fumble.  I could see it treated as incomplete if it's a dead ball when it hits the ground.  Is that college only or NFL too?

I thought it was a live ball behind the line of scrimmage, can't be advanced by the kicking team if it's beyond the line of scrimmage.

That's correct. But in terms of the clock, it's treated like an incomplete pass, clock stops and they respot the ball.

If the ball is beyond the LOS and is touched by the defensive team, the kicking team can recover it. That's why the Iowa kids stayed away from the ball the first time.

Can the kicking team advance the ball if recovered behind the line?  I seem to recall a Bear-Packer game that allowed such an advance, but that ball was caught on the fly if I remember right.

Why did you have to remind me of Chester Marcol, you horrible, horrible monster?

[Internet Apex]

According to the NCAA rulebook the kicking team can recover - and advance - a blocked kick or punt that is picked up behind the LOS. I assume this is still true in the NFL as well.

OK.  Then there is no logic to this being considered the same as an incomplete pass.

I now have a new direction for my bile now that Alfonso Soriano is in the right place to help the Cubs the most.

When did Fonzy die?

[Ghost of Dave Rosello]

According to the NCAA rulebook the kicking team can recover - and advance - a blocked kick or punt that is picked up behind the LOS. I assume this is still true in the NFL as well.

OK.  Then there is no logic to this being considered the same as an incomplete pass.

I now have a new direction for my bile now that Alfonso Soriano is in the right place to help the Cubs the most.

Actuallly, there is nothing I can find in the rulebook that indicates why they don't restart the clock once the ball is spotted in that situation. I just assumed they treated it like a forward pass.

They would have to stop the clock to unpile and determine who recovered the ball but in any other instance they would restart the clock unless there was a change of possession.

[Quality Start Machine]

According to the NCAA rulebook the kicking team can recover - and advance - a blocked kick or punt that is picked up behind the LOS. I assume this is still true in the NFL as well.

OK.  Then there is no logic to this being considered the same as an incomplete pass.

I now have a new direction for my bile now that Alfonso Soriano is in the right place to help the Cubs the most.

Actuallly, there is nothing I can find in the rulebook that indicates why they don't restart the clock once the ball is spotted in that situation. I just assumed they treated it like a forward pass.

They would have to stop the clock to unpile and determine who recovered the ball but in any other instance they would restart the clock unless there was a change of possession.

There would have to be a clock stoppage, since if the kicking team recovered, it would either be a first down, in which case the clock stops until the chains are moved, or change of posession on downs.

This is assuming the only non-fourth-down kicking situations occur when there's no time left on the clock for another play.