Might as well get this started...
So just about a month ago, while at the game and watching the Cubs pin Max Scherzer's ears back, I dismissed, completely out of hand, the notion that was brought to me that Kyle Schwarber could make it back, at the very least in time to simply DH in the World Series. However, some further discussion on that matter made me pause. Like Adrian Peterson, for example, a FOOTBALL player, a freaking Running Back, tore his ACL and MCL around Christmas, 2011 and was in the starting lineup the following September--8 months later. Now even factoring in that Schwarber also messed up his ankle as well, and by all accounts AP may have proven to be a freak of nature, I'm not entirely letting go this. Nor or others lately, I've noticed.
Clearly, Cubs management wants the expectation set that he's done for the year--and they should. But hearing recently that he's now gone down from 2 crutches to one, and assuming he's probably already been increasing his rehab, my interest gets piqued. It's been 2 months since the injury and just a little less than that since the surgery, and 2 months into the future and it's still only early August...is there a reason why Kyle couldn't be hitting off a tee by then, possibly get into some minor league playoff games as a DH by early September? And if so, then maybe...
He's still young, my thinking is that he his body can recover a little more quickly, sports science/medicine continues to evolve--though AP is no doubt a freak of nature, he probably doesn't make such a quick comeback had then injury occurred a decade earlier. Just throwing it out there. Feel free to tell me I'm a shithead (per usual), or feel free to henceforth add any "Bigfoot"-type Schwarber sightings that'll stir mens' souls.*
*Not that the Cubs truly need need Schwarber...they're going to the World Series regardless...still--just to have Schwarber for the potential 3 AL games when they get there might be all they need to push them over.
He definitely wouldn't be able to play a capable outfield by this fall (it was debatable if he could before the injury), so there's no way the benefit of having him for a few games as a DH in a theoretical World Series outweighs the long-term risk of rushing him back.
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2016, 03:06:06 PM
He definitely wouldn't be able to play a capable outfield by this fall (it was debatable if he could before the injury), so there's no way the benefit of having him for a few games as a DH in a theoretical World Series outweighs the long-term risk of rushing him back.
/thread
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2016, 03:06:06 PM
He definitely wouldn't be able to play a capable outfield by this fall (it was debatable if he could before the injury), so there's no way the benefit of having him for a few games as a DH in a theoretical World Series outweighs the long-term risk of rushing him back.
As long as he homers every time up, he could crawl around the bases.
My lack of medical knowledge about ligament injuries informs me that ANYTHING can happen!
Quote from: PANK! on June 02, 2016, 04:17:16 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2016, 03:06:06 PM
He definitely wouldn't be able to play a capable outfield by this fall (it was debatable if he could before the injury), so there's no way the benefit of having him for a few games as a DH in a theoretical World Series outweighs the long-term risk of rushing him back.
/thread
You know, I don't actually mind the thread. I guess there's technically a non-zero chance something could happen, so now we have a place to post updates and hope on it.
We've certainly had worse threads. Hundreds and hundreds of them.
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2016, 03:06:06 PM
He definitely wouldn't be able to play a capable outfield by this fall (it was debatable if he could before the injury), so there's no way the benefit of having him for a few games as a DH in a theoretical World Series outweighs the long-term risk of rushing him back.
(http://mlb.mlb.com/images/0/0/4/154550004/101515_88ws_lad_gibson_walkoff_medres_icli299r.gif)
Quote from: PenFoe on June 02, 2016, 10:36:03 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2016, 03:06:06 PM
He definitely wouldn't be able to play a capable outfield by this fall (it was debatable if he could before the injury), so there's no way the benefit of having him for a few games as a DH in a theoretical World Series outweighs the long-term risk of rushing him back.
(http://mlb.mlb.com/images/0/0/4/154550004/101515_88ws_lad_gibson_walkoff_medres_icli299r.gif)
I forgot the National League had the DH in those days.
But really, a Gibson-esque Schwarbomb to win a game or two at Wrigley would be pretty sweet too.
It took a good 12 months for my first ACL reconstruction, in 1993, to heal up well enough for me to be sitting on my fat ass comfortably. I was in PT about 2 weeks post-surgery and was off crutches in about 3-4 weeks.
My second ACL surgery, in 2011 on the other knee, required crutches for all of 3 days and I was in PT within a week (would have been sooner if it wasn't for Thanksgiving). I was working out in about 4 months. I also re-ruptured my ACL in my second workout and have not gotten it fixed yet.
The first surgery was a replacement of my ligament using a piece of tendon from around my hamstring.
The second surgery was an allograft in which they used a dead dude's ligament (probably a little person, amiright?).
Since these surgeries were nothing like Schwarber's nor am I even close to having the same PT and am not the athlete that Schwarber is, consider this Forkstory closed.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 02, 2016, 10:36:03 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2016, 03:06:06 PM
He definitely wouldn't be able to play a capable outfield by this fall (it was debatable if he could before the injury), so there's no way the benefit of having him for a few games as a DH in a theoretical World Series outweighs the long-term risk of rushing him back.
(http://mlb.mlb.com/images/0/0/4/154550004/101515_88ws_lad_gibson_walkoff_medres_icli299r.gif)
Nah.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 03, 2016, 02:23:26 AM
But really, a Gibson-esque Schwarbomb to win a game or two at Wrigley would be pretty sweet too.
The Cubs winning the World Series without Schwarber, then adding him for 2017 will be like the scene in "The Princess Bride" where Wesley says he's not lefthanded.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 03, 2016, 09:00:19 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 03, 2016, 02:23:26 AM
But really, a Gibson-esque Schwarbomb to win a game or two at Wrigley would be pretty sweet too.
The Cubs winning the World Series without Schwarber, then adding him for 2017 will be like the scene in "The Princess Bride" where Wesley says he's not lefthanded.
That is an excellent analogy.
Quote from: Canadouche on June 03, 2016, 09:56:56 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 03, 2016, 09:00:19 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 03, 2016, 02:23:26 AM
But really, a Gibson-esque Schwarbomb to win a game or two at Wrigley would be pretty sweet too.
The Cubs winning the World Series without Schwarber, then adding him for 2017 will be like the scene in "The Princess Bride" where Wesley says he's not lefthanded.
That is an excellent analogy.
Yeah, but at that point wasn't Westley had his back (literally) up against a wall and hadn't won shit.
I'd rather we dust him off in the Series. It'd be like Die Hard where McClane murders anything and everything in his path, then gets to the final boss and it looks like he's screwed but instead he has a SURPRISE KYLE SCHWARBER taped to his back and just continues wrecking shit.
Quote from: ChuckD on June 03, 2016, 10:11:24 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on June 03, 2016, 09:56:56 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 03, 2016, 09:00:19 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 03, 2016, 02:23:26 AM
But really, a Gibson-esque Schwarbomb to win a game or two at Wrigley would be pretty sweet too.
The Cubs winning the World Series without Schwarber, then adding him for 2017 will be like the scene in "The Princess Bride" where Wesley says he's not lefthanded.
That is an excellent analogy.
Yeah, but at that point wasn't Westley had his back (literally) up against a wall and hadn't won shit.
I'd rather we dust him off in the Series. It'd be like Die Hard where McClane murders anything and everything in his path, then gets to the final boss and it looks like he's screwed but instead he has a SURPRISE KYLE SCHWARBER taped to his back and just continues wrecking shit.
He'd just Willis Reed the fuck out of the whole thing.
Quote from: ChuckD on June 03, 2016, 10:11:24 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on June 03, 2016, 09:56:56 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 03, 2016, 09:00:19 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 03, 2016, 02:23:26 AM
But really, a Gibson-esque Schwarbomb to win a game or two at Wrigley would be pretty sweet too.
The Cubs winning the World Series without Schwarber, then adding him for 2017 will be like the scene in "The Princess Bride" where Wesley says he's not lefthanded.
That is an excellent analogy.
Yeah, but at that point wasn't Westley had his back (literally) up against a wall and hadn't won shit.
I'd rather we dust him off in the Series. It'd be like Die Hard where McClane murders anything and everything in his path, then gets to the final boss and it looks like he's screwed but instead he has a SURPRISE KYLE SCHWARBER taped to his back and just continues wrecking shit.
Kyle Schwarber being taped to anybody's back is now an image in my head that I will not be able to shake off without years of extensive therapy. (Physical therapy as well as mental.)
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2016, 08:15:18 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 02, 2016, 10:36:03 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2016, 03:06:06 PM
He definitely wouldn't be able to play a capable outfield by this fall (it was debatable if he could before the injury), so there's no way the benefit of having him for a few games as a DH in a theoretical World Series outweighs the long-term risk of rushing him back.
(http://mlb.mlb.com/images/0/0/4/154550004/101515_88ws_lad_gibson_walkoff_medres_icli299r.gif)
Nah.
You're probably awesome at parties.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 03, 2016, 07:57:01 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2016, 08:15:18 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 02, 2016, 10:36:03 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2016, 03:06:06 PM
He definitely wouldn't be able to play a capable outfield by this fall (it was debatable if he could before the injury), so there's no way the benefit of having him for a few games as a DH in a theoretical World Series outweighs the long-term risk of rushing him back.
(http://mlb.mlb.com/images/0/0/4/154550004/101515_88ws_lad_gibson_walkoff_medres_icli299r.gif)
Nah.
You're probably awesome at parties.
We've been over this. (https://twitter.com/EliGieryna/status/502853640671862784)
Quote from: Eli on June 04, 2016, 01:47:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 03, 2016, 07:57:01 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2016, 08:15:18 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 02, 2016, 10:36:03 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2016, 03:06:06 PM
He definitely wouldn't be able to play a capable outfield by this fall (it was debatable if he could before the injury), so there's no way the benefit of having him for a few games as a DH in a theoretical World Series outweighs the long-term risk of rushing him back.
(http://mlb.mlb.com/images/0/0/4/154550004/101515_88ws_lad_gibson_walkoff_medres_icli299r.gif)
Nah.
You're probably awesome at parties.
We've been over this. (https://twitter.com/EliGieryna/status/502853640671862784)
Don't mind me. Just bumpin' this here Schwarbs thread.
*walks away whistling*
Kyle Schwarber is absolutely going to be on this roster for the World Series.
Quote from: Slaky on October 23, 2016, 12:29:13 PM
Kyle Schwarber is absolutely going to be on this roster for the World Series.
This is still so fucking weird.
Also totally expected from wire to wire, and so obviously the right thing (https://theringer.com/chicago-cubs-nlcs-2016-mlb-playoffs-dd076bad8d04).
But somehow also so weird and utterly unreal.
Wasn't his first career dong at Progressive Field?
Quote from: Shooter on October 24, 2016, 03:28:00 PM
Wasn't his first career dong at Progressive Field?
Yes
Quote from: Slaky on October 24, 2016, 03:28:37 PM
Quote from: Shooter on October 24, 2016, 03:28:00 PM
Wasn't his first career dong at Progressive Field?
Yes
He also homered in his first-ever mlb Spring-Training AB--a grand slam, in fact, and on his 22nd birthday--for anyone concerned about his ability to hit live pitching *just like that* tomorrow.
There are reports coming out that he will DH tomorrow.
Quote from: Canadouche on October 24, 2016, 06:15:15 PM
There are reports coming out that he will DH tomorrow.
As if the Cubs merely being in the World Series wasn't enough to look forward to, hoo boy.
Seriously, this fucking guy.
Get fucked, Kirk Gibson. Kyle is the new go to for injured warrior
I'm pretty sure someone will have to go Tonya Harding on his knee to keep him out of LF this weekend.
So.... left field on Friday then?
Quote from: Tony on October 27, 2016, 08:53:06 AM
So.... left field on Friday then?
Not sure how I feel about this. I guess if the doctors say yea. That moves Zobrist to right and gives the Cubs a dangerous lineup, but defensively things could look ugly.
Quote from: Canadouche on October 27, 2016, 08:56:42 AM
Quote from: Tony on October 27, 2016, 08:53:06 AM
So.... left field on Friday then?
Not sure how I feel about this. I guess if the doctors say yea. That moves Zobrist to right and gives the Cubs a dangerous lineup, but defensively things could look ugly.
If the Indians are really going to use Santana, who isn't even a passable defensive first baseman, in left field, I'd say it's a push anyway.
How awesome was The Ultimate Schwarrior last night? He's just so easy to root for.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 27, 2016, 10:01:36 AM
How awesome was The Ultimate Schwarrior last night? He's just so easy to root for.
No.
Quote from: Tony on October 27, 2016, 08:53:06 AM
So.... left field on Friday then?
Give him Friday off and see where we're at. This is all, of course, dependent on how he looks and feels shagging flys today.
The weather will actually be nice and the ground should be dry, so the conditions might be optimal for it. At the same time, I'm okay with the notion of Miller being tethered to the bullpen bench until Schwarber's only at-bat of each game, which itself would seem to give Maddon a slight tactical advantage so I'm good with either decision.
The Schwabe?
Quote from: Canadouche on October 27, 2016, 10:30:43 AM
The Schwabe?
You mean "The Schwultin of Schwat?" Also, no.
Quote from: ChuckD on October 27, 2016, 10:35:58 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 27, 2016, 10:30:43 AM
The Schwabe?
You mean "The Schwultin of Schwat?" Also, no.
We could call him the Thing, then his catchphrase can be "IT'S SCHWARBERIN' TIME!" and also no to everything any of us has said.
Quote from: Tony on October 27, 2016, 11:00:43 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 27, 2016, 10:34:38 AM
Quote from: Bort on October 27, 2016, 10:29:25 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 27, 2016, 10:18:57 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 27, 2016, 10:01:36 AM
How awesome was The Ultimate Schwarrior last night? He's just so easy to root for.
No.
Poor Mike Olt. If he wasn't blind bad at baseball he would have been the Oltimate Warrior.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on October 27, 2016, 10:24:40 AM
Quote from: Tony on October 27, 2016, 08:53:06 AM
So.... left field on Friday then?
Give him Friday off and see where we're at. This is all, of course, dependent on how he looks and feels shagging flys today.
The weather will actually be nice and the ground should be dry, so the conditions might be optimal for it. At the same time, I'm okay with the notion of Miller being tethered to the bullpen bench until Schwarber's only at-bat of each game, which itself would seem to give Maddon a slight tactical advantage so I'm good with either decision.
The problem with saving him for one pinch hit at bat it he will probably be facing Miller. Is one at bat against a dominant lefty reliever the best way to use him?
Quote from: Tony on October 27, 2016, 11:03:23 AMThe problem with saving him for one pinch hit at bat it he will probably be facing Miller. Is one at bat against a dominant lefty reliever the best way to use him?
Intrepid Reader: Kyle SchwarberFUCK THAT CHUMP. KYLE SMASH!
Here's a crazy idea - play him in right. Baez ranges waaaay the hell into the outfield on almost every fly ball. With Javy basically playing short RF, Schwarber can sit back in "no doubles" mode.
Quote from: Tony on October 27, 2016, 11:03:23 AM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on October 27, 2016, 10:24:40 AM
Quote from: Tony on October 27, 2016, 08:53:06 AM
So.... left field on Friday then?
Give him Friday off and see where we're at. This is all, of course, dependent on how he looks and feels shagging flys today.
The weather will actually be nice and the ground should be dry, so the conditions might be optimal for it. At the same time, I'm okay with the notion of Miller being tethered to the bullpen bench until Schwarber's only at-bat of each game, which itself would seem to give Maddon a slight tactical advantage so I'm good with either decision.
The problem with saving him for one pinch hit at bat it he will probably be facing Miller. Is one at bat against a dominant lefty reliever the best way to use him?
If anyone can get to Miller--and I have confidence that someone will before this is over-- it'll be Schwarbs.
Quote from: CT III on October 27, 2016, 11:23:58 AM
Here's a crazy idea - play him in right. Baez ranges waaaay the hell into the outfield on almost every fly ball. With Javy basically playing short RF, Schwarber can sit back in "no doubles" mode.
Not a bad thought. Small outfield in Wrigley anyway (keep in mind that part of the reason he got hurt was because he was in a big park and a ball that would've been long gone in Wrigley was in play for him and Dex to both reach on a full sprint), no sun field for a night game, the dude's got a good arm....not a bad thought at all, CT.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on October 27, 2016, 11:34:43 AM
Quote from: CT III on October 27, 2016, 11:23:58 AM
Here's a crazy idea - play him in right. Baez ranges waaaay the hell into the outfield on almost every fly ball. With Javy basically playing short RF, Schwarber can sit back in "no doubles" mode.
Not a bad thought. Small outfield in Wrigley anyway (keep in mind that part of the reason he got hurt was because he was in a big park and a ball that would've been long gone in Wrigley was in play for him and Dex to both reach on a full sprint), no sun field for a night game, the dude's got a good arm....not a bad thought at all, CT.
Now we'll never know if this is what you really believe or if CT used his MODS power on you.Both Huey and CT are right.
Quote from: Bort on October 27, 2016, 11:43:18 AM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on October 27, 2016, 11:34:43 AM
Quote from: CT III on October 27, 2016, 11:23:58 AM
Here's a crazy idea - play him in right. Baez ranges waaaay the hell into the outfield on almost every fly ball. With Javy basically playing short RF, Schwarber can sit back in "no doubles" mode.
Not a bad thought. Small outfield in Wrigley anyway (keep in mind that part of the reason he got hurt was because he was in a big park and a ball that would've been long gone in Wrigley was in play for him and Dex to both reach on a full sprint), no sun field for a night game, the dude's got a good arm....not a bad thought at all, CT.
Now we'll never know if this is what you really believe or if CT used his MODS power on you.
Both Huey and CT are right.
I never considered using him in right, but I was thinking Addison could probably cover half of his territory anyway. Javy even more so. He's been practically shaking hands with the outfielders after they catch the ball.
My best guess is he won't play the whole game whether he starts or comes in later.
Option 1:
- start him in LF (or RF, sure) and let him get a few at bats against the RHP dujour and hopefully he Cubs build a lead that he can come out and Heyward can play the last few innings in RF
Option 2:
- bring him in as a PH relatively early (fourth, fifth sixth inning) to see if Francona goes to Miller, then leave him in the game to get a couple more at bats
Quote from: Brownie on October 27, 2016, 12:21:22 PM
My best guess is he won't play the whole game whether he starts or comes in later.
Option 1:
- start him in LF (or RF, sure) and let him get a few at bats against the RHP dujour and hopefully he Cubs build a lead that he can come out and Heyward can play the last few innings in RF
Option 2:
- bring him in as a PH relatively early (fourth, fifth sixth inning) to see if Francona goes to Miller, then leave him in the game to get a couple more at bats
Option 3:
- make sure his injured leg doesn't get near the brick wall because that would be bad for injured legs. It's fine for healthy legs.
Just so I understand, the plan y'all want is to not only have him play the field for the first time since April, but to have him play a position he's never played before?
Quote from: PenFoe on October 27, 2016, 01:55:10 PM
Just so I understand, the plan y'all want is to not only have him play the field for the first time since April, but to have him play a position he's never played before?
Played 4 games in right with 2 starts there last year. He also started in RF in the WC game because Pittsburgh has a small right field and a cavernous left field. Good work, Peniswrong.
Personally, I think the Cubs got more than they were wishing for when they added him to the World Series roster--he had great AB's in an AL park that helped the Cubs split those two games. That's enormous...
If the doctors say his rehab is complete and he can play the field, then so be it. But that also likely means that someone's taking a seat--Zobrist (yeah right), Baez (yeah right), Bryant (yeah right) or Heyward (eehhh).
It comes down to Heyward vs. Schwarber. I guess the best thing, if he can play OF, is start him in LF and take him out later in the game if the Cubs have a lead and replace him with Heyward (Zobrist to LF, Heyward to RF).
I just don't want him to be rushed back and risk some freak injury causing runs to score and further push back his readiness for next season. But then again can't you say that about every player?
This is a good problem to have.
Quote from: SKO on October 27, 2016, 02:00:28 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 27, 2016, 01:55:10 PM
Just so I understand, the plan y'all want is to not only have him play the field for the first time since April, but to have him play a position he's never played before?
Played 4 games in right with 2 starts there last year. He also started in RF in the WC game because Pittsburgh has a small right field and a cavernous left field. Good work, Peniswrong.
He started RF in Game 1 of the Cardinals series. I WAS THERE, MAN.
Also, welcome back
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 27, 2016, 02:15:56 PM
If the doctors say his rehab is complete and he can play the field, then so be it.
This is pretty much all that really matters.
I good with him not playing in the outfield. Especially against whatever a Josh Tomlin is.
Quote from: Oleg on October 27, 2016, 03:07:00 PM
I good with him not playing in the outfield. Especially against whatever a Josh Tomlin is.
My strategy would be to start Heyward, and then if he happens to come to the plate in a key situation with runners on in the early innings, pinch hit Schwarber before Francona would be inclined to use Miller (or make him burn Miller early), then you could replace Schwarber with Soler on defense for the middle innings, and then once Soler took his 5th or 6th inning AB you could put in Almora to finish it out on defense.
Quote from: SKO on October 27, 2016, 03:13:24 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 27, 2016, 03:07:00 PM
I good with him not playing in the outfield. Especially against whatever a Josh Tomlin is.
My strategy would be to start Heyward, and then if he happens to come to the plate in a key situation with runners on in the early innings, pinch hit Schwarber before Francona would be inclined to use Miller (or make him burn Miller early), then you could replace Schwarber with Soler on defense for the middle innings, and then once Soler took his 5th or 6th inning AB you could put in Almora to finish it out on defense.
I like the strategy of scoring 10 runs in the 1st inning and just cruising from there with Travis Wood as a defensive replacement.
Quote from: Oleg on October 27, 2016, 03:28:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 27, 2016, 03:13:24 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 27, 2016, 03:07:00 PM
I good with him not playing in the outfield. Especially against whatever a Josh Tomlin is.
My strategy would be to start Heyward, and then if he happens to come to the plate in a key situation with runners on in the early innings, pinch hit Schwarber before Francona would be inclined to use Miller (or make him burn Miller early), then you could replace Schwarber with Soler on defense for the middle innings, and then once Soler took his 5th or 6th inning AB you could put in Almora to finish it out on defense.
I like the strategy of scoring 10 runs in the 1st inning and just cruising from there with Travis Wood as a defensive replacement.
That's just crazy enough to work.
Quote from: SKO on October 27, 2016, 03:34:07 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 27, 2016, 03:28:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 27, 2016, 03:13:24 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 27, 2016, 03:07:00 PM
I good with him not playing in the outfield. Especially against whatever a Josh Tomlin is.
My strategy would be to start Heyward, and then if he happens to come to the plate in a key situation with runners on in the early innings, pinch hit Schwarber before Francona would be inclined to use Miller (or make him burn Miller early), then you could replace Schwarber with Soler on defense for the middle innings, and then once Soler took his 5th or 6th inning AB you could put in Almora to finish it out on defense.
I like the strategy of scoring 10 runs in the 1st inning and just cruising from there with Travis Wood as a defensive replacement.
That's just crazy enough to work.
SOMEBODY GET THIS MAN A CORNER OFFICE
Quote from: Oleg on October 27, 2016, 03:28:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 27, 2016, 03:13:24 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 27, 2016, 03:07:00 PM
I good with him not playing in the outfield. Especially against whatever a Josh Tomlin is.
My strategy would be to start Heyward, and then if he happens to come to the plate in a key situation with runners on in the early innings, pinch hit Schwarber before Francona would be inclined to use Miller (or make him burn Miller early), then you could replace Schwarber with Soler on defense for the middle innings, and then once Soler took his 5th or 6th inning AB you could put in Almora to finish it out on defense.
I like the strategy of scoring 10 runs in the 1st inning and just cruising from there with Travis Wood as a defensive replacement.
I mean, I laughed at this...then realized it's a legitimate strategy and probably could happen at some point...then laughed at how good the Cubs are that a pitcher can adequately play the outfield if needed.
Quote from: Grandmaster Wang on October 27, 2016, 11:10:09 AM
Quote from: Tony on October 27, 2016, 11:03:23 AMThe problem with saving him for one pinch hit at bat it he will probably be facing Miller. Is one at bat against a dominant lefty reliever the best way to use him?
Intrepid Reader: Kyle Schwarber
FUCK THAT CHUMP. KYLE SMASH!
kyle strong oog follow kyle kyle swing stick
Quote from: oog on October 28, 2016, 01:32:24 PM
Quote from: Grandmaster Wang on October 27, 2016, 11:10:09 AM
Quote from: Tony on October 27, 2016, 11:03:23 AMThe problem with saving him for one pinch hit at bat it he will probably be facing Miller. Is one at bat against a dominant lefty reliever the best way to use him?
Intrepid Reader: Kyle Schwarber
FUCK THAT CHUMP. KYLE SMASH!
kyle strong oog follow kyle kyle swing stick
Jesus Christ the pennant brought everyone back into the fold.
Welcome back to the lineup, you sexy beast.
Seriously: .412/.500/.471
We have only seen him for less than half a season. Can anyone else believe that?
Quote from: thehawk on November 03, 2016, 11:36:24 AM
We have only seen him for less than half a season. Can anyone else believe that?
It is more like only 3 weeks.
If you'd told me that he'd kill it, but not have a post season homerun, and yet he'd end up with a post season SB, I wouldn't have believed you.
He's going to his 70 home runs next year, isn't he?
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on November 03, 2016, 03:50:14 PM
He's going to his 70 home runs next year, isn't he?
Probably by the All-Star break.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on November 03, 2016, 03:50:14 PM
He's going to his 70 home runs next year, isn't he?
And they will all be his.
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2016, 03:06:06 PM
He definitely wouldn't be able to play a capable outfield by this fall (it was debatable if he could before the injury), so there's no way the benefit of having him for a few games as a DH in a theoretical World Series outweighs the long-term risk of rushing him back.
There's no way, man. There's just no way.
Quote from: SKO on November 15, 2016, 07:53:15 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2016, 03:06:06 PM
He definitely wouldn't be able to play a capable outfield by this fall (it was debatable if he could before the injury), so there's no way the benefit of having him for a few games as a DH in a theoretical World Series outweighs the long-term risk of rushing him back.
There's no way, man. There's just no way.
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2016, 08:06:08 PM
Quote from: PANK! on June 02, 2016, 04:17:16 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2016, 03:06:06 PM
He definitely wouldn't be able to play a capable outfield by this fall (it was debatable if he could before the injury), so there's no way the benefit of having him for a few games as a DH in a theoretical World Series outweighs the long-term risk of rushing him back.
/thread
You know, I don't actually mind the thread. I guess there's technically a non-zero chance something could happen, so now we have a place to post updates and hope on it.
We've certainly had worse threads. Hundreds and hundreds of them.
Quote from: Eli on November 15, 2016, 08:51:27 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 15, 2016, 07:53:15 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2016, 03:06:06 PM
He definitely wouldn't be able to play a capable outfield by this fall (it was debatable if he could before the injury), so there's no way the benefit of having him for a few games as a DH in a theoretical World Series outweighs the long-term risk of rushing him back.
There's no way, man. There's just no way.
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2016, 08:06:08 PM
Quote from: PANK! on June 02, 2016, 04:17:16 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2016, 03:06:06 PM
He definitely wouldn't be able to play a capable outfield by this fall (it was debatable if he could before the injury), so there's no way the benefit of having him for a few games as a DH in a theoretical World Series outweighs the long-term risk of rushing him back.
/thread
You know, I don't actually mind the thread. I guess there's technically a non-zero chance something could happen, so now we have a place to post updates and hope on it.
We've certainly had worse threads. Hundreds and hundreds of them.
I still can't believe we ended up with the A's/Brewers World Series.
Quote from: Eli on November 15, 2016, 08:51:27 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 15, 2016, 07:53:15 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2016, 03:06:06 PM
He definitely wouldn't be able to play a capable outfield by this fall (it was debatable if he could before the injury), so there's no way the benefit of having him for a few games as a DH in a theoretical World Series outweighs the long-term risk of rushing him back.
There's no way, man. There's just no way.
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2016, 08:06:08 PM
Quote from: PANK! on June 02, 2016, 04:17:16 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2016, 03:06:06 PM
He definitely wouldn't be able to play a capable outfield by this fall (it was debatable if he could before the injury), so there's no way the benefit of having him for a few games as a DH in a theoretical World Series outweighs the long-term risk of rushing him back.
/thread
You know, I don't actually mind the thread. I guess there's technically a non-zero chance something could happen, so now we have a place to post updates and hope on it.
We've certainly had worse threads. Hundreds and hundreds of them.
In my view, Schwarber's potential as a 3rd-string catcher would continue to give this team some bonkers versatility. When he got injured I thought no way should he attempt to catch again but that may have been just a raw and irrational reaction to his injury. In fact his knee is brand-new, he's still young, and he could still do it a couple dozen times a year without detriment to him or the team, right? Does anyone dismiss this out of hand?
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on November 15, 2016, 10:22:22 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 15, 2016, 08:51:27 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 15, 2016, 07:53:15 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2016, 03:06:06 PM
He definitely wouldn't be able to play a capable outfield by this fall (it was debatable if he could before the injury), so there's no way the benefit of having him for a few games as a DH in a theoretical World Series outweighs the long-term risk of rushing him back.
There's no way, man. There's just no way.
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2016, 08:06:08 PM
Quote from: PANK! on June 02, 2016, 04:17:16 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2016, 03:06:06 PM
He definitely wouldn't be able to play a capable outfield by this fall (it was debatable if he could before the injury), so there's no way the benefit of having him for a few games as a DH in a theoretical World Series outweighs the long-term risk of rushing him back.
/thread
You know, I don't actually mind the thread. I guess there's technically a non-zero chance something could happen, so now we have a place to post updates and hope on it.
We've certainly had worse threads. Hundreds and hundreds of them.
In my view, Schwarber's potential as a 3rd-string catcher would continue to give this team some bonkers versatility. When he got injured I thought no way should he attempt to catch again but that may have been just a raw and irrational reaction to his injury. In fact his knee is brand-new, he's still young, and he could still do it a couple dozen times a year without detriment to him or the team, right? Does anyone dismiss this out of hand?
I certainly don't. I think the Cubs are probably thinking Miggy catches Jake, Schwarber catches one guy and Contreras catches the other three.
Before he blew out his knee this year, the plan was Ross/Lester, Schwarber/Hammel and Montero/Jake, Hendricks, Lackey.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on November 15, 2016, 12:02:23 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on November 15, 2016, 10:22:22 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 15, 2016, 08:51:27 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 15, 2016, 07:53:15 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2016, 03:06:06 PM
He definitely wouldn't be able to play a capable outfield by this fall (it was debatable if he could before the injury), so there's no way the benefit of having him for a few games as a DH in a theoretical World Series outweighs the long-term risk of rushing him back.
There's no way, man. There's just no way.
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2016, 08:06:08 PM
Quote from: PANK! on June 02, 2016, 04:17:16 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2016, 03:06:06 PM
He definitely wouldn't be able to play a capable outfield by this fall (it was debatable if he could before the injury), so there's no way the benefit of having him for a few games as a DH in a theoretical World Series outweighs the long-term risk of rushing him back.
/thread
You know, I don't actually mind the thread. I guess there's technically a non-zero chance something could happen, so now we have a place to post updates and hope on it.
We've certainly had worse threads. Hundreds and hundreds of them.
In my view, Schwarber's potential as a 3rd-string catcher would continue to give this team some bonkers versatility. When he got injured I thought no way should he attempt to catch again but that may have been just a raw and irrational reaction to his injury. In fact his knee is brand-new, he's still young, and he could still do it a couple dozen times a year without detriment to him or the team, right? Does anyone dismiss this out of hand?
I certainly don't. I think the Cubs are probably thinking Miggy catches Jake, Schwarber catches one guy and Contreras catches the other three.
Before he blew out his knee this year, the plan was Ross/Lester, Schwarber/Hammel and Montero/Jake, Hendricks, Lackey.
Assuming that's the case, it would be good to pair him with a lefty (e.g. Montgomery) who would mitigate some of Schwarbs' defensive liabilities.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on November 15, 2016, 10:22:22 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 15, 2016, 08:51:27 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 15, 2016, 07:53:15 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2016, 03:06:06 PM
He definitely wouldn't be able to play a capable outfield by this fall (it was debatable if he could before the injury), so there's no way the benefit of having him for a few games as a DH in a theoretical World Series outweighs the long-term risk of rushing him back.
There's no way, man. There's just no way.
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2016, 08:06:08 PM
Quote from: PANK! on June 02, 2016, 04:17:16 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2016, 03:06:06 PM
He definitely wouldn't be able to play a capable outfield by this fall (it was debatable if he could before the injury), so there's no way the benefit of having him for a few games as a DH in a theoretical World Series outweighs the long-term risk of rushing him back.
/thread
You know, I don't actually mind the thread. I guess there's technically a non-zero chance something could happen, so now we have a place to post updates and hope on it.
We've certainly had worse threads. Hundreds and hundreds of them.
In my view, Schwarber's potential as a 3rd-string catcher would continue to give this team some bonkers versatility. When he got injured I thought no way should he attempt to catch again but that may have been just a raw and irrational reaction to his injury. In fact his knee is brand-new, he's still young, and he could still do it a couple dozen times a year without detriment to him or the team, right? Does anyone dismiss this out of hand?
I've never been a huge fan of him catching at all because I think it shortens careers but I clearly know nothing, so if they want him to catch 30-40 games a year, great.
Quote from: Eli on November 15, 2016, 01:05:40 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on November 15, 2016, 10:22:22 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 15, 2016, 08:51:27 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 15, 2016, 07:53:15 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2016, 03:06:06 PM
He definitely wouldn't be able to play a capable outfield by this fall (it was debatable if he could before the injury), so there's no way the benefit of having him for a few games as a DH in a theoretical World Series outweighs the long-term risk of rushing him back.
There's no way, man. There's just no way.
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2016, 08:06:08 PM
Quote from: PANK! on June 02, 2016, 04:17:16 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 02, 2016, 03:06:06 PM
He definitely wouldn't be able to play a capable outfield by this fall (it was debatable if he could before the injury), so there's no way the benefit of having him for a few games as a DH in a theoretical World Series outweighs the long-term risk of rushing him back.
/thread
You know, I don't actually mind the thread. I guess there's technically a non-zero chance something could happen, so now we have a place to post updates and hope on it.
We've certainly had worse threads. Hundreds and hundreds of them.
In my view, Schwarber's potential as a 3rd-string catcher would continue to give this team some bonkers versatility. When he got injured I thought no way should he attempt to catch again but that may have been just a raw and irrational reaction to his injury. In fact his knee is brand-new, he's still young, and he could still do it a couple dozen times a year without detriment to him or the team, right? Does anyone dismiss this out of hand?
I've never been a huge fan of him catching at all because I think it shortens careers but I clearly know nothing, so if they want him to catch 30-40 games a year, great.
I think I'm fine with them shortening his career because odds are he's probably only got a good 3-5 seasons (who knows with the knee injury) of being able to play LF regularly, and they may have to trade him after that to an AL team. So if they can squeeze as much value out of him as possible during that time frame by I also having him catch once a week or whatever I say do it and let some AL team deal with the consequences when he's their DH.