A new era of Cubs baseball, yippie!
O/U -- # of weeks until Carlos Silva gets skewered by a shish-ka-bob spear: 3 weeks 4 days.
This had better be some kind of one-week thing to "get him back on track". Otherwise, HATEMOBILE. The more innings Carlos pitches, the more opportunities to do awesome shit like eject umpires. If they're going to be this bad at baseball, at least be entertaining about it.
Fuck.
This is brilliant. The Bears and Bulls should do the same thing to shore up weak positions. They could move Cutler to safety and Rose to small forward.
QuoteCarlos Zamabrano will be shifted to the Cubs' bullpen on Friday.
Shocking, but not a terrible baseball move. Big Z has struggled to keep runners off base in his first three starts of the season and the Cubs' bullpen has been awful in Angel Guzman's absence. Zambrano's stuff, still nasty, should translate well into a setup role. That said, his fantasy value just plummeted through the floor and he will be of little use in non-holds leagues. Carlos Silva will hang onto a rotation spot until his own inevitable collapse.
I want to RAGEANGRYHATE this.
This is what happens when the counterintuitive, overly-emotional rantings of Asshhat Nation--Kaplan, Maude et.al-- get taken seriously by the drooling masses.
They're giving 100 innings of Zambrano to Tom Gorzellany? Wow. Urge to remaining. Detached. Easier. What a ginormous pair of clown shoes. I'm laughing right now. These jackasses have really outdone themselves. And that goes for Dementia Fuckhead Lou.
Which guy is getting his ass shipped to Des Moines to make room for Theodore?
This has turned my indifference into anger. So at least I care again. Yay?
Quote from: Day Man on April 21, 2010, 03:57:43 PM
This had better be some kind of one-week thing to "get him back on track". Otherwise, HATEMOBILE. The more innings Carlos pitches, the more opportunities to do awesome shit like eject umpires. If they're going to be this bad at baseball, at least be entertaining about it.
I was going to rip the way he's pitched thus far this season, but I also will note that BABIP against is .423. That means he's been terribly unlucky, right?
I wonder if Lou's just waiting to see if Silva or Gorzelanny shit the bed next week before making a final decision. Zambrano's pitch counts have been sky high. He went 110, 121 and 119 pitches the last three starts. His next scheduled start would have been Sunday. Instead, they'll shift him to the pen over the weekend (he won't be ready to pitch again until Friday anyway, at the earliest), send Samardzija on a bus
to Des Moines off the Thornton Quarry, see if Zambrano can be of any service in 2 or 3 games at Miller Park, then see how the Nationals series goes, before making a decision.
The four other starters have been pretty damn good. Zambrano has been the least of the starters.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on April 21, 2010, 04:12:22 PM
Which guy is getting his ass shipped to Des Moines to make room for Theodore?
Probably Zambrano, after he commits the unforgivable sin of giving up a run in relief.
Quote from: Brownie on April 21, 2010, 04:19:59 PM
The four other starters have been pretty damn good. Zambrano has been the least of the starters.
Isn't this where one of the statfaggots brings up sample size?
Quote from: MAD on April 21, 2010, 04:12:06 PM
This is what happens when the counterintuitive, overly-emotional rantings of Asshhat Nation--Kaplan, Maude et.al-- get taken seriously by the drooling masses.
They're giving 100 innings of Zambrano to Tom Gorzellany? Wow. Urge to remaining. Detached. Easier. What a ginormous pair of clown shoes. I'm laughing right now. These jackasses have really outdone themselves. And that goes for Dementia Fuckhead Lou.
They're giving 6 innings of Z against Milwaukee to Gorzellany or fatter Carlos. Again, I'm hoping this is just a calculated move to get Carlos some action the next 10 games, but also avoid another 120-pitch start because the bullpen sucks. I think they're buying time. They're coming into a weak part of the schedule.
Quote from: Brownie on April 21, 2010, 04:19:59 PM
Quote from: Day Man on April 21, 2010, 03:57:43 PM
This had better be some kind of one-week thing to "get him back on track". Otherwise, HATEMOBILE. The more innings Carlos pitches, the more opportunities to do awesome shit like eject umpires. If they're going to be this bad at baseball, at least be entertaining about it.
I was going to rip the way he's pitched thus far this season, but I also will note that BABIP against is .423. That means he's been terribly unlucky, right?
I wonder if Lou's just waiting to see if Silva or Gorzelanny shit the bed next week before making a final decision. Zambrano's pitch counts have been sky high. He went 110, 121 and 119 pitches the last three starts. His next scheduled start would have been Sunday. Instead, they'll shift him to the pen over the weekend (he won't be ready to pitch again until Friday anyway, at the earliest), send Samardzija on a bus to Des Moines off the Thornton Quarry, see if Zambrano can be of any service in 2 or 3 games at Miller Park, then see how the Nationals series goes, before making a decision.
The four other starters have been pretty damn good. Zambrano has been the least of the starters.
Your rationality has no place on the internet.
Quote from: Day Man on April 21, 2010, 04:21:05 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on April 21, 2010, 04:12:22 PM
Which guy is getting his ass shipped to Des Moines to make room for Theodore?
Probably Zambrano, after he commits the unforgivable sin of giving up a run in relief.
I was guessing Aramis.
Because, what the fuck, right?
Quote from: Tony on April 21, 2010, 04:21:57 PM
Quote from: Brownie on April 21, 2010, 04:19:59 PM
The four other starters have been pretty damn good. Zambrano has been the least of the starters.
Isn't this where one of the statfaggots brings up sample size?
I would.
Quote from: Tony on April 21, 2010, 04:21:57 PM
Quote from: Brownie on April 21, 2010, 04:19:59 PM
The four other starters have been pretty damn good. Zambrano has been the least of the starters.
Isn't this where one of the statfaggots brings up sample size?
They're right. HOWEVER... I think Piniella's trying to decide if he'd rather have Silva or Gorzelanny. They each get one more start to audition.
Zambrano will have made at least one more start by May 10.
Quote from: Brownie on April 21, 2010, 04:23:16 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 21, 2010, 04:12:06 PM
This is what happens when the counterintuitive, overly-emotional rantings of Asshhat Nation--Kaplan, Maude et.al-- get taken seriously by the drooling masses.
They're giving 100 innings of Zambrano to Tom Gorzellany? Wow. Urge to remaining. Detached. Easier. What a ginormous pair of clown shoes. I'm laughing right now. These jackasses have really outdone themselves. And that goes for Dementia Fuckhead Lou.
They're giving 6 innings of Z against Milwaukee to Gorzellany or fatter Carlos. Again, I'm hoping this is just a calculated move to get Carlos some action the next 10 games, but also avoid another 120-pitch start because the bullpen sucks. I think they're buying time. They're coming into a weak part of the schedule.
I'm with the part-owner of TJ O'Slaky's. This is not permanent. Although I'm hoping for a report detailing the damage that Carlos does the clubhouse when he finally lets this news sink in.
Quote from: Brownie on April 21, 2010, 04:25:44 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 21, 2010, 04:21:57 PM
Quote from: Brownie on April 21, 2010, 04:19:59 PM
The four other starters have been pretty damn good. Zambrano has been the least of the starters.
Isn't this where one of the statfaggots brings up sample size?
They're right. HOWEVER... I think Piniella's trying to decide if he'd rather have Silva or Gorzelanny. They each get one more start to audition.
Zambrano will have made at least one more start by May 10.
I hope you're right. Because if you're not, Lou has lost it.
Quote from: Slaky on April 21, 2010, 04:26:11 PM
Quote from: Brownie on April 21, 2010, 04:23:16 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 21, 2010, 04:12:06 PM
This is what happens when the counterintuitive, overly-emotional rantings of Asshhat Nation--Kaplan, Maude et.al-- get taken seriously by the drooling masses.
They're giving 100 innings of Zambrano to Tom Gorzellany? Wow. Urge to remaining. Detached. Easier. What a ginormous pair of clown shoes. I'm laughing right now. These jackasses have really outdone themselves. And that goes for Dementia Fuckhead Lou.
They're giving 6 innings of Z against Milwaukee to Gorzellany or fatter Carlos. Again, I'm hoping this is just a calculated move to get Carlos some action the next 10 games, but also avoid another 120-pitch start because the bullpen sucks. I think they're buying time. They're coming into a weak part of the schedule.
I'm with the part-owner of TJ O'Slaky's. This is not permanent. Although I'm hoping for a report detailing the damage that Carlos does the clubhouse when he finally lets this news sink in.
Rationality or not, I still hate this team with the white hot fire of a thousand HUEYS.
Quote from: Slaky on April 21, 2010, 04:26:11 PM
Quote from: Brownie on April 21, 2010, 04:23:16 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 21, 2010, 04:12:06 PM
This is what happens when the counterintuitive, overly-emotional rantings of Asshhat Nation--Kaplan, Maude et.al-- get taken seriously by the drooling masses.
They're giving 100 innings of Zambrano to Tom Gorzellany? Wow. Urge to remaining. Detached. Easier. What a ginormous pair of clown shoes. I'm laughing right now. These jackasses have really outdone themselves. And that goes for Dementia Fuckhead Lou.
They're giving 6 innings of Z against Milwaukee to Gorzellany or fatter Carlos. Again, I'm hoping this is just a calculated move to get Carlos some action the next 10 games, but also avoid another 120-pitch start because the bullpen sucks. I think they're buying time. They're coming into a weak part of the schedule.
I'm with the part-owner of TJ O'Slaky's. This is not permanent. Although I'm hoping for a report detailing the damage that Carlos does the clubhouse when he finally lets this news the lost plate appearances sink in.
Someone order up another box of bats and a femur x-ray for Z'd
Quote from: Brownie on April 21, 2010, 04:19:59 PM
That means he's been terribly unlucky, right?
Z did get screwed by definitely a few infield squib hits.
If he can't perform out of the bullpen, we should just put him down... Like a horse. Except this would be crazy glue. AMIRIGHT?
Who needs trade value for when we blow up this entire f'ing organization in June? Trade the beer guys, sell slots in the rotation to stubhub, let's just go crazy. Fuck it.
Quote from: Day Man on April 21, 2010, 04:21:05 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on April 21, 2010, 04:12:22 PM
Which guy is getting his ass shipped to Des Moines to make room for Theodore?
Probably Zambrano, after he commits the unforgivable sin of giving up a run in relief.
Somebody's gotta go and by all rights it should be Samardzija.
Jim Hendry should be fired immediately for this nonsense.
Quote from: Brownie on April 21, 2010, 04:23:16 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 21, 2010, 04:12:06 PM
This is what happens when the counterintuitive, overly-emotional rantings of Asshhat Nation--Kaplan, Maude et.al-- get taken seriously by the drooling masses.
They're giving 100 innings of Zambrano to Tom Gorzellany? Wow. Urge to remaining. Detached. Easier. What a ginormous pair of clown shoes. I'm laughing right now. These jackasses have really outdone themselves. And that goes for Dementia Fuckhead Lou.
They're giving 6 innings of Z against Milwaukee to Gorzellany or fatter Carlos. Again, I'm hoping this is just a calculated move to get Carlos some action the next 10 games, but also avoid another 120-pitch start because the bullpen sucks. I think they're buying time. They're coming into a weak part of the schedule.
I like this. It's the only thing you can hang your hat on if you're searching for something non-retarded about this.
Quote from: Brownie on April 21, 2010, 04:23:16 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 21, 2010, 04:12:06 PM
This is what happens when the counterintuitive, overly-emotional rantings of Asshhat Nation--Kaplan, Maude et.al-- get taken seriously by the drooling masses.
They're giving 100 innings of Zambrano to Tom Gorzellany? Wow. Urge to remaining. Detached. Easier. What a ginormous pair of clown shoes. I'm laughing right now. These jackasses have really outdone themselves. And that goes for Dementia Fuckhead Lou.
They're giving 6 innings of Z against Milwaukee to Gorzellany or fatter Carlos. Again, I'm hoping this is just a calculated move to get Carlos some action the next 10 games, but also avoid another 120-pitch start because the bullpen sucks. I think they're buying time. They're coming into a weak part of the schedule.
As opposed to the rigorous Cincinnati-Milwaukee-Houston-Mets stretch they are finishing up.
So is he a set up man? That's going to work out really well. Is he going to set up for close losses?
Quote from: MAD on April 21, 2010, 04:40:04 PM
Quote from: Brownie on April 21, 2010, 04:23:16 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 21, 2010, 04:12:06 PM
This is what happens when the counterintuitive, overly-emotional rantings of Asshhat Nation--Kaplan, Maude et.al-- get taken seriously by the drooling masses.
They're giving 100 innings of Zambrano to Tom Gorzellany? Wow. Urge to remaining. Detached. Easier. What a ginormous pair of clown shoes. I'm laughing right now. These jackasses have really outdone themselves. And that goes for Dementia Fuckhead Lou.
They're giving 6 innings of Z against Milwaukee to Gorzellany or fatter Carlos. Again, I'm hoping this is just a calculated move to get Carlos some action the next 10 games, but also avoid another 120-pitch start because the bullpen sucks. I think they're buying time. They're coming into a weak part of the schedule.
I like this. It's the only thing you can hang your on if you're looking for something non-retarded about this.
I do too. If Zambrano is ok with it they might as well give it a try. Of course that begs the question of what they do with Silva or Gorzelanny once one - or both of them - starts to suck. Not sure I'd want to see either guy coming out of the pen. Unless the pen belongs to the Brewers.
Quote from: Slaky on April 21, 2010, 04:26:11 PM
Quote from: Brownie on April 21, 2010, 04:23:16 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 21, 2010, 04:12:06 PM
This is what happens when the counterintuitive, overly-emotional rantings of Asshhat Nation--Kaplan, Maude et.al-- get taken seriously by the drooling masses.
They're giving 100 innings of Zambrano to Tom Gorzellany? Wow. Urge to remaining. Detached. Easier. What a ginormous pair of clown shoes. I'm laughing right now. These jackasses have really outdone themselves. And that goes for Dementia Fuckhead Lou.
They're giving 6 innings of Z against Milwaukee to Gorzellany or fatter Carlos. Again, I'm hoping this is just a calculated move to get Carlos some action the next 10 games, but also avoid another 120-pitch start because the bullpen sucks. I think they're buying time. They're coming into a weak part of the schedule.
I'm with the part-owner of TJ O'Slaky's. This is not permanent. Although I'm hoping for a report detailing the damage that Carlos does the clubhouse when he finally lets this news sink in.
I know this isn't permanent. Because the Cubs aren't THAT fucking dumb, right? RIGHT?
Let's assume it is temporary. It's still fucking stupid. I don't care if it's for one week. You're taking a guy who's been one of the most valuable starters in baseball over the last 7 or 8 years and moving him to the goddamn bullpen. It's a dumbfuck reactionary move that would only be made by a dumbfuck reactionary organization.
Whoever said upthread that this move has turned them from indifferent to ANGER is correct.
Quote from: R-V on April 21, 2010, 04:42:51 PM
Quote from: Slaky on April 21, 2010, 04:26:11 PM
Quote from: Brownie on April 21, 2010, 04:23:16 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 21, 2010, 04:12:06 PM
This is what happens when the counterintuitive, overly-emotional rantings of Asshhat Nation--Kaplan, Maude et.al-- get taken seriously by the drooling masses.
They're giving 100 innings of Zambrano to Tom Gorzellany? Wow. Urge to remaining. Detached. Easier. What a ginormous pair of clown shoes. I'm laughing right now. These jackasses have really outdone themselves. And that goes for Dementia Fuckhead Lou.
They're giving 6 innings of Z against Milwaukee to Gorzellany or fatter Carlos. Again, I'm hoping this is just a calculated move to get Carlos some action the next 10 games, but also avoid another 120-pitch start because the bullpen sucks. I think they're buying time. They're coming into a weak part of the schedule.
I'm with the part-owner of TJ O'Slaky's. This is not permanent. Although I'm hoping for a report detailing the damage that Carlos does the clubhouse when he finally lets this news sink in.
I know this isn't permanent. Because the Cubs aren't THAT fucking dumb, right? RIGHT?
Let's assume it is temporary. It's still fucking stupid. I don't care if it's for one week. You're taking a guy who's been one of the most valuable starters in baseball over the last 7 or 8 years and moving him to the goddamn bullpen. It's a dumbfuck reactionary move that would only be made by a dumbfuck reactionary organization.
Whoever said upthread that this move has turned them from indifferent to ANGER is correct.
Lets not kid ourselves, the Cubs are that dumb. The good news is that we are closer to Hendry's firing.
Quote from: R-V on April 21, 2010, 04:42:51 PM
Quote from: Slaky on April 21, 2010, 04:26:11 PM
Quote from: Brownie on April 21, 2010, 04:23:16 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 21, 2010, 04:12:06 PM
This is what happens when the counterintuitive, overly-emotional rantings of Asshhat Nation--Kaplan, Maude et.al-- get taken seriously by the drooling masses.
They're giving 100 innings of Zambrano to Tom Gorzellany? Wow. Urge to remaining. Detached. Easier. What a ginormous pair of clown shoes. I'm laughing right now. These jackasses have really outdone themselves. And that goes for Dementia Fuckhead Lou.
They're giving 6 innings of Z against Milwaukee to Gorzellany or fatter Carlos. Again, I'm hoping this is just a calculated move to get Carlos some action the next 10 games, but also avoid another 120-pitch start because the bullpen sucks. I think they're buying time. They're coming into a weak part of the schedule.
I'm with the part-owner of TJ O'Slaky's. This is not permanent. Although I'm hoping for a report detailing the damage that Carlos does the clubhouse when he finally lets this news sink in.
I know this isn't permanent. Because the Cubs aren't THAT fucking dumb, right? RIGHT?
Let's assume it is temporary. It's still fucking stupid. I don't care if it's for one week. You're taking a guy who's been one of the most valuable starters in baseball over the last 7 or 8 years and moving him to the goddamn bullpen. It's a dumbfuck reactionary move that would only be made by a dumbfuck reactionary organization.
Whoever said upthread that this move has turned them from indifferent to ANGER is correct.
RV's rotting corpse is right!
Quote from: Bort on April 21, 2010, 04:45:52 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 21, 2010, 04:42:51 PM
Quote from: Slaky on April 21, 2010, 04:26:11 PM
Quote from: Brownie on April 21, 2010, 04:23:16 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 21, 2010, 04:12:06 PM
This is what happens when the counterintuitive, overly-emotional rantings of Asshhat Nation--Kaplan, Maude et.al-- get taken seriously by the drooling masses.
They're giving 100 innings of Zambrano to Tom Gorzellany? Wow. Urge to remaining. Detached. Easier. What a ginormous pair of clown shoes. I'm laughing right now. These jackasses have really outdone themselves. And that goes for Dementia Fuckhead Lou.
They're giving 6 innings of Z against Milwaukee to Gorzellany or fatter Carlos. Again, I'm hoping this is just a calculated move to get Carlos some action the next 10 games, but also avoid another 120-pitch start because the bullpen sucks. I think they're buying time. They're coming into a weak part of the schedule.
I'm with the part-owner of TJ O'Slaky's. This is not permanent. Although I'm hoping for a report detailing the damage that Carlos does the clubhouse when he finally lets this news sink in.
I know this isn't permanent. Because the Cubs aren't THAT fucking dumb, right? RIGHT?
Let's assume it is temporary. It's still fucking stupid. I don't care if it's for one week. You're taking a guy who's been one of the most valuable starters in baseball over the last 7 or 8 years and moving him to the goddamn bullpen. It's a dumbfuck reactionary move that would only be made by a dumbfuck reactionary organization.
Whoever said upthread that this move has turned them from indifferent to ANGER is correct.
RV's rotting corpse is right!
I can't wait to see Z overthrow his slider knowing he's only pitching a few innings at most, making his sinker not sink.
This trumps the Juan Pierre trade in stupidity.
Quote from: Bort on April 21, 2010, 04:45:52 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 21, 2010, 04:42:51 PM
Quote from: Slaky on April 21, 2010, 04:26:11 PM
Quote from: Brownie on April 21, 2010, 04:23:16 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 21, 2010, 04:12:06 PM
This is what happens when the counterintuitive, overly-emotional rantings of Asshhat Nation--Kaplan, Maude et.al-- get taken seriously by the drooling masses.
They're giving 100 innings of Zambrano to Tom Gorzellany? Wow. Urge to remaining. Detached. Easier. What a ginormous pair of clown shoes. I'm laughing right now. These jackasses have really outdone themselves. And that goes for Dementia Fuckhead Lou.
They're giving 6 innings of Z against Milwaukee to Gorzellany or fatter Carlos. Again, I'm hoping this is just a calculated move to get Carlos some action the next 10 games, but also avoid another 120-pitch start because the bullpen sucks. I think they're buying time. They're coming into a weak part of the schedule.
I'm with the part-owner of TJ O'Slaky's. This is not permanent. Although I'm hoping for a report detailing the damage that Carlos does the clubhouse when he finally lets this news sink in.
I know this isn't permanent. Because the Cubs aren't THAT fucking dumb, right? RIGHT?
Let's assume it is temporary. It's still fucking stupid. I don't care if it's for one week. You're taking a guy who's been one of the most valuable starters in baseball over the last 7 or 8 years and moving him to the goddamn bullpen. It's a dumbfuck reactionary move that would only be made by a dumbfuck reactionary organization.
Whoever said upthread that this move has turned them from indifferent to ANGER is correct.
RV's rotting corpse is right!
And it gets better! This move is just a temporary solution until Hendry can sell the fucking farm for that 32 year old tub of lard from San Diego (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/04/cubs-move-carlos-zambrano-to-bullpen.html).
Quote"Temporary?" Piniella said. "We're trying to stabliize things and win some baseball games. This will give Jim (Hendry) and the front office more opportunities to hopefully do something (via a trade). If not, this could be not temporary."
Christ. Between Zambrano and Grabow they're going to spend about $23 million this year to get about 2 wins of value.
Quote from: BH on April 21, 2010, 04:52:48 PM
Quote from: Bort on April 21, 2010, 04:45:52 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 21, 2010, 04:42:51 PM
Quote from: Slaky on April 21, 2010, 04:26:11 PM
Quote from: Brownie on April 21, 2010, 04:23:16 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 21, 2010, 04:12:06 PM
This is what happens when the counterintuitive, overly-emotional rantings of Asshhat Nation--Kaplan, Maude et.al-- get taken seriously by the drooling masses.
They're giving 100 innings of Zambrano to Tom Gorzellany? Wow. Urge to remaining. Detached. Easier. What a ginormous pair of clown shoes. I'm laughing right now. These jackasses have really outdone themselves. And that goes for Dementia Fuckhead Lou.
They're giving 6 innings of Z against Milwaukee to Gorzellany or fatter Carlos. Again, I'm hoping this is just a calculated move to get Carlos some action the next 10 games, but also avoid another 120-pitch start because the bullpen sucks. I think they're buying time. They're coming into a weak part of the schedule.
I'm with the part-owner of TJ O'Slaky's. This is not permanent. Although I'm hoping for a report detailing the damage that Carlos does the clubhouse when he finally lets this news sink in.
I know this isn't permanent. Because the Cubs aren't THAT fucking dumb, right? RIGHT?
Let's assume it is temporary. It's still fucking stupid. I don't care if it's for one week. You're taking a guy who's been one of the most valuable starters in baseball over the last 7 or 8 years and moving him to the goddamn bullpen. It's a dumbfuck reactionary move that would only be made by a dumbfuck reactionary organization.
Whoever said upthread that this move has turned them from indifferent to ANGER is correct.
RV's rotting corpse is right!
I can't wait to see Z overthrow his slider knowing he's only pitching a few innings at most, making his sinker not sink.
This trumps the Juan Pierre trade in stupidity.
On the bright side, his 99 mph fastballs should get hit spectacularly far. Wait, that's not good either.
This reminds of when the Phillies put roy halladay in the bullpen this year while lidge was hurt.
Tim Lincecum is gonna be awesome as a setup guy in a few years.
This (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5123176) makes it feel so much better.
""I'm confident this will help our situation out," Piniella said, according to the Tribune. "This makes all the sense in the world. This is a significant move, not a panic move.""
Even Better.
""I'm shocked," White Sox catcher A.J. Pierzynski said on "The Afternoon Saloon" on ESPN 1000, when told of the move. "With a guy with his stuff, you can't believe that would happen.
"The way he has thrown the ball over his career, and all that he has done for that organization, to see that happen ... I've seen that he's thrown the ball not up to what he normally does. He's going to get it turned around. He has a track record. It just surprises me that they would make that move."
Quote from: BH on April 21, 2010, 05:03:43 PM
This (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5123176) makes it feel so much better.
""I'm confident this will help our situation out," Piniella said, according to the Tribune. "This makes all the sense in the world. This is a significant move, not a panic move.""
Even Better.
""I'm shocked," White Sox catcher A.J. Pierzynski said on "The Afternoon Saloon" on ESPN 1000, when told of the move. "With a guy with his stuff, you can't believe that would happen.
"The way he has thrown the ball over his career, and all that he has done for that organization, to see that happen ... I've seen that he's thrown the ball not up to what he normally does. He's going to get it turned around. He has a track record. It just surprises me that they would make that move."
And now I find myself agreeing with AJ Eyechart. Fuck you Hendry & Piniella.
Quote from: Waco Kid on April 21, 2010, 04:39:04 PM
Jim Hendry should be fired immediately for this nonsense.
Which? There are so many to choose from since 2003.
Quote from: Waco Kid on April 21, 2010, 04:45:10 PM
Lets not kid ourselves, the Cubs are that dumb. The good news is that we are closer to Hendry's firing.
Are you sure the Ricketts are not in favor of this? How do we know they aren't that dumb, either?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 21, 2010, 06:18:30 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on April 21, 2010, 04:45:10 PM
Lets not kid ourselves, the Cubs are that dumb. The good news is that we are closer to Hendry's firing.
Are you sure the Ricketts are not in favor of this? How do we know they aren't that dumb, either?
Oh. God. I agree with internet Chuck.
It's entirely possible this team is owned by a family of Yellons.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 21, 2010, 06:18:30 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on April 21, 2010, 04:45:10 PM
Lets not kid ourselves, the Cubs are that dumb. The good news is that we are closer to Hendry's firing.
Are you sure the Ricketts are not in favor of this? How do we know they aren't that dumb, either?
Until I read otherwise I'm considering "the Cubs" as all inclusive.
Quote from: Waco Kid on April 21, 2010, 06:28:47 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 21, 2010, 06:18:30 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on April 21, 2010, 04:45:10 PM
Lets not kid ourselves, the Cubs are that dumb. The good news is that we are closer to Hendry's firing.
Are you sure the Ricketts are not in favor of this? How do we know they aren't that dumb, either?
Until I read otherwise I'm considering "the Cubs" as all inclusive.
If they are dumb, then we aren't closer to Jim Hendry's firing.
Quote from: MAD on April 21, 2010, 04:12:06 PM
This is what happens when the counterintuitive, overly-emotional rantings of Asshhat Nation--Kaplan, Maude et.al-- get taken seriously by the drooling masses.
What's
not to take seriously?
(http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a0da00b3127ccef9be7bc9668e00000030O01QYtmbduxZA9vPho/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/)
On my way home from work, I heard Paul Sullivan on with Boers and Bernstein. After describing the move as "insane", Sullivan said that the reporters got to talk to Zambrano about the move.
Zambrano apparently told them that he was fine with the move, and was willing to stay in the pen for the rest of the season but that he'd made Lou promise him he could go back into the
rotation for the playoffs.
Like I said before I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on this for the short term. But there's no way they can seriously be considering doing this all season, right? Right?
I'm also willing to believe Zambrano is in favor of doing it. If he wasn't there's no way they make the move because he'd fucking kill somebody.
Quote from: CT III on April 21, 2010, 07:04:56 PM
On my way home from work, I heard Paul Sullivan on with Boers and Bernstein. After describing the move as "insane", Sullivan said that the reporters got to talk to Zambrano about the move.
Zambrano apparently told them that he was fine with the move, and was willing to stay in the pen for the rest of the season but that he'd made Lou promise him he could go back into the
rotation for the playoffs.
Brilliant. He can spend all season in the bullpen, then be ready to start and throw 55 pitches in the Cubs' first mythical game of the playoffs.
This is the dumbest thing the Cubs have done in years. Totally indefensible.
Quote from: Eli on April 21, 2010, 07:33:43 PM
Quote from: CT III on April 21, 2010, 07:04:56 PM
On my way home from work, I heard Paul Sullivan on with Boers and Bernstein. After describing the move as "insane", Sullivan said that the reporters got to talk to Zambrano about the move.
Zambrano apparently told them that he was fine with the move, and was willing to stay in the pen for the rest of the season but that he'd made Lou promise him he could go back into the
rotation for the playoffs.
Brilliant. He can spend all season in the bullpen, then be ready to start and throw 55 pitches in the Cubs' first mythical game of the playoffs.
This is the dumbest thing the Cubs have done in years. Totally indefensible.
And yet I have personally encountered several defenders.
I hate this team.
Quote from: CT III on April 21, 2010, 07:04:56 PM
On my way home from work, I heard Paul Sullivan on with Boers and Bernstein. After describing the move as "insane", Sullivan said that the reporters got to talk to Zambrano about the move. Zambrano apparently told them that he was fine with the move, and was willing to stay in the pen for the rest of the season but that he'd made Lou promise him he could go back into the rotation for the playoffs.
Ha.
I'll be goddamned if I don't still love this man.
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on April 21, 2010, 07:49:00 PM
Quote from: CT III on April 21, 2010, 07:04:56 PM
On my way home from work, I heard Paul Sullivan on with Boers and Bernstein. After describing the move as "insane", Sullivan said that the reporters got to talk to Zambrano about the move. Zambrano apparently told them that he was fine with the move, and was willing to stay in the pen for the rest of the season but that he'd made Lou promise him he could go back into the rotation for the playoffs.
Ha.
I'll be goddamned if I don't still love this man.
And yet, I hate this team.
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on April 21, 2010, 07:49:00 PM
Quote from: CT III on April 21, 2010, 07:04:56 PM
On my way home from work, I heard Paul Sullivan on with Boers and Bernstein. After describing the move as "insane", Sullivan said that the reporters got to talk to Zambrano about the move. Zambrano apparently told them that he was fine with the move, and was willing to stay in the pen for the rest of the season but that he'd made Lou promise him he could go back into the rotation for the playoffs.
Ha.
I'll be goddamned if I don't still love this man.
THI
(in spite it all)
The propaganda machine, to no one's surprise, is in full operation already:
(http://i43.tinypic.com/11kw408.png)
Quote from: Eli on April 21, 2010, 07:33:43 PM
Quote from: CT III on April 21, 2010, 07:04:56 PM
On my way home from work, I heard Paul Sullivan on with Boers and Bernstein. After describing the move as "insane", Sullivan said that the reporters got to talk to Zambrano about the move.
Zambrano apparently told them that he was fine with the move, and was willing to stay in the pen for the rest of the season but that he'd made Lou promise him he could go back into the
rotation for the playoffs.
Brilliant. He can spend all season in the bullpen, then be ready to start and throw 55 pitches in the Cubs' first mythical game of the playoffs.
This is the dumbest thing the Cubs have done in years. Totally indefensible.
My first thought went back to the College of Coaches, which was, at the time, an epic embarassment. Good thing for Stew he could hide out in Cali. Still, in 7 decades of fail, if this thing were to last longer than a month--and I'm pretty sure it won't but of course I'm not trusting anything right now--it'd rank up there.
Cubs pinch-hitters are only batting .130 this season. When is D Lee going to be benched and named the primary PH?
Just in case you haven't decided which side you're on yet:
Quote from: Al Yellon, King of the SimpsGood. I'm all for this. Discuss. I'll delay the pregame post until 5:00 CDT again.
Time to celebrate! Push back that pregame post! Lou Piniella GETS IT.
Quote from: Day Man on April 21, 2010, 08:24:04 PM
Just in case you haven't decided which side you're on yet:
Quote from: Al Yellon, King of the SimpsGood. I'm all for this. Discuss. I'll delay the pregame post until 5:00 CDT again.
Time to celebrate! Push back that pregame post! Lou Piniella GETS IT.
Fire up the TARDWAGON. Anyone got a pic?
Quote from: MAD on April 21, 2010, 08:28:21 PM
Quote from: Day Man on April 21, 2010, 08:24:04 PM
Just in case you haven't decided which side you're on yet:
Quote from: Al Yellon, King of the SimpsGood. I'm all for this. Discuss. I'll delay the pregame post until 5:00 CDT again.
Time to celebrate! Push back that pregame post! Lou Piniella GETS IT.
Fire up the TARDWAGON. Anyone got a pic?
Google disappoints.
(http://i39.tinypic.com/w70vb9.jpg)
Quote from: R-V on April 21, 2010, 04:54:40 PM
And it gets better! This move is just a temporary solution until Hendry can sell the fucking farm for that 32 year old tub of lard from San Diego (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/04/cubs-move-carlos-zambrano-to-bullpen.html).
Quote"Temporary?" Piniella said. "We're trying to stabliize things and win some baseball games. This will give Jim (Hendry) and the front office more opportunities to hopefully do something (via a trade). If not, this could be not temporary."
Christ. Between Zambrano and Grabow they're going to spend about $23 million this year to get about 2 wins of value.
They need to take away Hendry's phone and give him one that has only Wrigley-area restaurant numbers programmed in before he does something that inflicts more long-term damage.
I just learned that because the Cubs are winning today, I'm an idiot for hating this move.
Quote from: Bort on April 21, 2010, 09:21:23 PM
I just learned that because the Cubs are winning today, I'm an idiot for hating this move.
Who in Fuck's name do you commiserate with?
Quote from: Slaky on April 21, 2010, 09:26:56 PM
Quote from: Bort on April 21, 2010, 09:21:23 PM
I just learned that because the Cubs are winning today, I'm an idiot for hating this move.
Who in Fuck's name do you commiserate with?
Mostly Dr. Scotch.
Quote from: Bort on April 21, 2010, 09:29:07 PM
Quote from: Slaky on April 21, 2010, 09:26:56 PM
Quote from: Bort on April 21, 2010, 09:21:23 PM
I just learned that because the Cubs are winning today, I'm an idiot for hating this move.
Who in Fuck's name do you commiserate with?
Mostly Dr. Scotch.
Dr. Scotch is never wrong. I'm going to have to reassess my opinion of the move.
Quote from: Slaky on April 21, 2010, 09:26:56 PM
Quote from: Bort on April 21, 2010, 09:21:23 PM
I just learned that because the Cubs are winning today, I'm an idiot for hating this move.
Who in Fuck's name do you commiserate with?
Hey, as soon as Lou moved Z to the bullpen, Soriano started hitting like it was 2006.
Are they related? Yes. Yes they are.
Quote from: Day Man on April 21, 2010, 08:24:04 PM
Just in case you haven't decided which side you're on yet:
Quote from: Al Yellon, King of the SimpsGood. I'm all for this. Discuss. I'll delay the pregame post until 5:00 CDT again.
Time to celebrate! Push back that pregame post! Lou Piniella GETS IT.
An oldie but still relevant: (http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2007/6/1/181321/6204)
Quote(After the Barrett - Zambrano fight) Jim -- if you're reading this, it's time to make a bold move, time to shake things up, time to tell every single player and coach on this ballclub that "business as usual" (and five losses in a row is NOT good business, is it?) will not be tolerated. We discussed this at length in the bleachers today and here was our consensus.
Call up Omar Minaya and tell him Z's available, and make a deal. Now. Today, if possible, tomorrow, if not. Whatever's gotten into Z's head, it is clear that his time with the Cubs has to be up. And I hate saying that, because we all know the sort of talent Z has, and he just turned 26 today (some birthday, huh?), and he might turn in several more great seasons (although with 1/3 of this year gone and a 5.62 ERA, this year may be a lost one already). Minaya loves Z; the Mets could use him, and he's already hinted that he'd like to sign there next year (as opposed to with the Yankees, where he couldn't bat except during interleague games in NL parks), and the Mets can afford him.
What should the Cubs ask for in return? It's very simple, and in fact, I think the Mets would do this deal. Aaron Heilman and Mike Pelfrey. Heilman is someone Hendry has shown interest in before, and Pelfrey is one of their top pitching prospects. Heilman steps into the Cub rotation, and if he fails, Pelfrey -- who is 23 and has made ten major league starts, including six this year -- could step in instead, with Heilman becoming a setup man, something this club sorely needs.
Yellon has always liked Z a lot less than many other, not-as-good players.
One wonders what colors Al's vision...
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 21, 2010, 09:36:51 PM
Quote from: Day Man on April 21, 2010, 08:24:04 PM
Just in case you haven't decided which side you're on yet:
Quote from: Al Yellon, King of the SimpsGood. I'm all for this. Discuss. I'll delay the pregame post until 5:00 CDT again.
Time to celebrate! Push back that pregame post! Lou Piniella GETS IT.
An oldie but still relevant: (http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2007/6/1/181321/6204)
Quote(After the Barrett - Zambrano fight) Jim -- if you're reading this, it's time to make a bold move, time to shake things up, time to tell every single player and coach on this ballclub that "business as usual" (and five losses in a row is NOT good business, is it?) will not be tolerated. We discussed this at length in the bleachers today and here was our consensus.
Call up Omar Minaya and tell him Z's available, and make a deal. Now. Today, if possible, tomorrow, if not. Whatever's gotten into Z's head, it is clear that his time with the Cubs has to be up. And I hate saying that, because we all know the sort of talent Z has, and he just turned 26 today (some birthday, huh?), and he might turn in several more great seasons (although with 1/3 of this year gone and a 5.62 ERA, this year may be a lost one already). Minaya loves Z; the Mets could use him, and he's already hinted that he'd like to sign there next year (as opposed to with the Yankees, where he couldn't bat except during interleague games in NL parks), and the Mets can afford him.
What should the Cubs ask for in return? It's very simple, and in fact, I think the Mets would do this deal. Aaron Heilman and Mike Pelfrey. Heilman is someone Hendry has shown interest in before, and Pelfrey is one of their top pitching prospects. Heilman steps into the Cub rotation, and if he fails, Pelfrey -- who is 23 and has made ten major league starts, including six this year -- could step in instead, with Heilman becoming a setup man, something this club sorely needs.
Yellon has always liked Z a lot less than many other, not-as-good players.
One wonders what colors Al's vision...
His blinding hot racism against Venezuela?
This is either crazy stupid or crazy brilliant. I'll give Lou credit for one thing--not giving a shit about egos or defined roles, but just caring about winning....and not about getting fired.
I think that this should free up Lou to use Marmol earlier in a game in "need a K" situations--like 2nd and 3rd, 1 out, in the 6th in a 1 or 2-run game or something. You can always leave Z for the 9th. Or you can bring in Z to get the big outs earlier in the game.
If Carlos pitches 3-4 innings every 5 days, and Gorzellany pitches 6 innings every 5 days, the loss of innings won't be 100 innings. Maybe 40. But if you get better innings with a lead than the 40 you'd lose from Carlos, it might be worth it. Or break even. Or something.
I'm going to roll with this because it at least makes this team more interesting than it was when I woke up this morning.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 21, 2010, 09:55:56 PM
This is either crazy stupid or crazy brilliant. I'll give Lou credit for one thing--not giving a shit about egos or defined roles, but just caring about winning....and not about getting fired.
I think that this should free up Lou to use Marmol earlier in a game in "need a K" situations--like 2nd and 3rd, 1 out, in the 6th in a 1 or 2-run game or something. You can always leave Z for the 9th. Or you can bring in Z to get the big outs earlier in the game.
If Carlos pitches 3-4 innings every 5 days, and Gorzellany pitches 6 innings every 5 days, the loss of innings won't be 100 innings. Maybe 40. But if you get better innings with a lead than the 40 you'd lose from Carlos, it might be worth it. Or break even. Or something.
I'm going to roll with this because it at least makes this team more interesting than it was when I woke up this morning.
Doing something different for the sake of doing something/doing something stupid/doing something that makes zero sense = caring about winning.
Got it.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 21, 2010, 09:36:51 PM
Quote from: Day Man on April 21, 2010, 08:24:04 PM
Just in case you haven't decided which side you're on yet:
Quote from: Al Yellon, King of the SimpsGood. I'm all for this. Discuss. I'll delay the pregame post until 5:00 CDT again.
Time to celebrate! Push back that pregame post! Lou Piniella GETS IT.
An oldie but still relevant: (http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2007/6/1/181321/6204)
Quote(After the Barrett - Zambrano fight) Jim -- if you're reading this, it's time to make a bold move, time to shake things up, time to tell every single player and coach on this ballclub that "business as usual" (and five losses in a row is NOT good business, is it?) will not be tolerated. We discussed this at length in the bleachers today and here was our consensus.
Call up Omar Minaya and tell him Z's available, and make a deal. Now. Today, if possible, tomorrow, if not. Whatever's gotten into Z's head, it is clear that his time with the Cubs has to be up. And I hate saying that, because we all know the sort of talent Z has, and he just turned 26 today (some birthday, huh?), and he might turn in several more great seasons (although with 1/3 of this year gone and a 5.62 ERA, this year may be a lost one already). Minaya loves Z; the Mets could use him, and he's already hinted that he'd like to sign there next year (as opposed to with the Yankees, where he couldn't bat except during interleague games in NL parks), and the Mets can afford him.
What should the Cubs ask for in return? It's very simple, and in fact, I think the Mets would do this deal. Aaron Heilman and Mike Pelfrey. Heilman is someone Hendry has shown interest in before, and Pelfrey is one of their top pitching prospects. Heilman steps into the Cub rotation, and if he fails, Pelfrey -- who is 23 and has made ten major league starts, including six this year -- could step in instead, with Heilman becoming a setup man, something this club sorely needs.
Yellon has always liked Z a lot less than many other, not-as-good players.
One wonders what colors Al's vision...
If it were Theriot being demoted to the bench, he'd be choking on his bologna.
Quote from: Slaky on April 21, 2010, 10:00:42 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 21, 2010, 09:55:56 PM
This is either crazy stupid or crazy brilliant. I'll give Lou credit for one thing--not giving a shit about egos or defined roles, but just caring about winning....and not about getting fired.
I think that this should free up Lou to use Marmol earlier in a game in "need a K" situations--like 2nd and 3rd, 1 out, in the 6th in a 1 or 2-run game or something. You can always leave Z for the 9th. Or you can bring in Z to get the big outs earlier in the game.
If Carlos pitches 3-4 innings every 5 days, and Gorzellany pitches 6 innings every 5 days, the loss of innings won't be 100 innings. Maybe 40. But if you get better innings with a lead than the 40 you'd lose from Carlos, it might be worth it. Or break even. Or something.
I'm going to roll with this because it at least makes this team more interesting than it was when I woke up this morning.
Doing something different for the sake of doing something/doing something stupid/doing something that makes zero sense = caring about winning.
Got it.
I caught the tail end of Boers and Bernstein today and most of their calls seemed to revolve around this retarded talking point.
I fucking hate the Cubs and most of the fans.
And fuck Al too, just to be sure.
Quote from: MAD on April 21, 2010, 08:19:33 PM
My first thought went back to the College of Coaches, which was, at the time, an epic embarassment.
It takes something as stupid as the college of coaches to keep this from being the dumbest thing the Cubs have ever done. I hate this team.
I hear Tom Treblehorn is coming back to give some motivational pep talks out by the firehouse.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 21, 2010, 09:55:56 PM
This is either crazy stupid or crazy brilliant. I'll give Lou credit for one thing--not giving a shit about egos or defined roles, but just caring about winning....and not about getting fired.
I think that this should free up Lou to use Marmol earlier in a game in "need a K" situations--like 2nd and 3rd, 1 out, in the 6th in a 1 or 2-run game or something. You can always leave Z for the 9th. Or you can bring in Z to get the big outs earlier in the game.
If Carlos pitches 3-4 innings every 5 days, and Gorzellany pitches 6 innings every 5 days, the loss of innings won't be 100 innings. Maybe 40. But if you get better innings with a lead than the 40 you'd lose from Carlos, it might be worth it. Or break even. Or something.
I'm going to roll with this because it at least makes this team more interesting than it was when I woke up this morning.
This is the Capital of Wrongsylvania.
Wrongissburg???
Or Dieinafireburg???
Quote from: PenFoe on April 22, 2010, 01:28:00 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 21, 2010, 09:55:56 PM
This is either crazy stupid or crazy brilliant. I'll give Lou credit for one thing--not giving a shit about egos or defined roles, but just caring about winning....and not about getting fired.
I think that this should free up Lou to use Marmol earlier in a game in "need a K" situations--like 2nd and 3rd, 1 out, in the 6th in a 1 or 2-run game or something. You can always leave Z for the 9th. Or you can bring in Z to get the big outs earlier in the game.
If Carlos pitches 3-4 innings every 5 days, and Gorzellany pitches 6 innings every 5 days, the loss of innings won't be 100 innings. Maybe 40. But if you get better innings with a lead than the 40 you'd lose from Carlos, it might be worth it. Or break even. Or something.
I'm going to roll with this because it at least makes this team more interesting than it was when I woke up this morning.
This is the Capital of Wrongsylvania.
Population: CFiHP!
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on April 22, 2010, 04:42:28 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 22, 2010, 01:28:00 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 21, 2010, 09:55:56 PM
This is either crazy stupid or crazy brilliant. I'll give Lou credit for one thing--not giving a shit about egos or defined roles, but just caring about winning....and not about getting fired.
I think that this should free up Lou to use Marmol earlier in a game in "need a K" situations--like 2nd and 3rd, 1 out, in the 6th in a 1 or 2-run game or something. You can always leave Z for the 9th. Or you can bring in Z to get the big outs earlier in the game.
If Carlos pitches 3-4 innings every 5 days, and Gorzellany pitches 6 innings every 5 days, the loss of innings won't be 100 innings. Maybe 40. But if you get better innings with a lead than the 40 you'd lose from Carlos, it might be worth it. Or break even. Or something.
I'm going to roll with this because it at least makes this team more interesting than it was when I woke up this morning.
This is the Capital of Wrongsylvania.
Population: CFiHP!
Wait, he was being serious? I thought that was just a bit making fun of brickbrained Cubs fans.
Quote from: Bort on April 21, 2010, 09:42:38 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 21, 2010, 09:36:51 PM
Quote from: Day Man on April 21, 2010, 08:24:04 PM
Just in case you haven't decided which side you're on yet:
Quote from: Al Yellon, King of the SimpsGood. I'm all for this. Discuss. I'll delay the pregame post until 5:00 CDT again.
Time to celebrate! Push back that pregame post! Lou Piniella GETS IT.
An oldie but still relevant: (http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2007/6/1/181321/6204)
Quote(After the Barrett - Zambrano fight) Jim -- if you're reading this, it's time to make a bold move, time to shake things up, time to tell every single player and coach on this ballclub that "business as usual" (and five losses in a row is NOT good business, is it?) will not be tolerated. We discussed this at length in the bleachers today and here was our consensus.
Call up Omar Minaya and tell him Z's available, and make a deal. Now. Today, if possible, tomorrow, if not. Whatever's gotten into Z's head, it is clear that his time with the Cubs has to be up. And I hate saying that, because we all know the sort of talent Z has, and he just turned 26 today (some birthday, huh?), and he might turn in several more great seasons (although with 1/3 of this year gone and a 5.62 ERA, this year may be a lost one already). Minaya loves Z; the Mets could use him, and he's already hinted that he'd like to sign there next year (as opposed to with the Yankees, where he couldn't bat except during interleague games in NL parks), and the Mets can afford him.
What should the Cubs ask for in return? It's very simple, and in fact, I think the Mets would do this deal. Aaron Heilman and Mike Pelfrey. Heilman is someone Hendry has shown interest in before, and Pelfrey is one of their top pitching prospects. Heilman steps into the Cub rotation, and if he fails, Pelfrey -- who is 23 and has made ten major league starts, including six this year -- could step in instead, with Heilman becoming a setup man, something this club sorely needs.
Yellon has always liked Z a lot less than many other, not-as-good players.
One wonders what colors Al's vision...
His blinding hot racism against Venezuela?
Subtle.
Quote from: R-V on April 22, 2010, 06:33:32 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on April 22, 2010, 04:42:28 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 22, 2010, 01:28:00 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 21, 2010, 09:55:56 PM
This is either crazy stupid or crazy brilliant. I'll give Lou credit for one thing--not giving a shit about egos or defined roles, but just caring about winning....and not about getting fired.
I think that this should free up Lou to use Marmol earlier in a game in "need a K" situations--like 2nd and 3rd, 1 out, in the 6th in a 1 or 2-run game or something. You can always leave Z for the 9th. Or you can bring in Z to get the big outs earlier in the game.
If Carlos pitches 3-4 innings every 5 days, and Gorzellany pitches 6 innings every 5 days, the loss of innings won't be 100 innings. Maybe 40. But if you get better innings with a lead than the 40 you'd lose from Carlos, it might be worth it. Or break even. Or something.
I'm going to roll with this because it at least makes this team more interesting than it was when I woke up this morning.
This is the Capital of Wrongsylvania.
Population: CFiHP!
Wait, he was being serious? I thought that was just a bit making fun of brickbrained Cubs fans.
One good thing about this move: it's helped me realize which Cubs fans are completely and utterly wrongtarded.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 21, 2010, 09:55:56 PM
This is either crazy stupid or crazy brilliant. I'll give Lou credit for one thing--not giving a shit about egos or defined roles, but just caring about winning....and not about getting fired.
I think that this should free up Lou to use Marmol earlier in a game in "need a K" situations--like 2nd and 3rd, 1 out, in the 6th in a 1 or 2-run game or something. You can always leave Z for the 9th. Or you can bring in Z to get the big outs earlier in the game.
If Carlos pitches 3-4 innings every 5 days, and Gorzellany pitches 6 innings every 5 days, the loss of innings won't be 100 innings. Maybe 40. But if you get better innings with a lead than the 40 you'd lose from Carlos, it might be worth it. Or break even. Or something.
I'm going to roll with this because it at least makes this team more interesting than it was when I woke up this morning.
This isn't anything but Lou and Hendry listening to the meathead writers and fans, pushing the panic button, and doing the most stupid thing possible. When Silva and Gorzellany ultimately return to sucking then what? Suddenly, Z will be good enough to bring back to the rotation when said meatheads turn on Gorzo and Silva.
It's a a relatively minor thing if it's only for a week and Z misses one start. But if it goes beyond that it begins to become criminally and historically stupid. Because after a week or so, say 3 appearances for Z, he's going to be settled in and it'll take him that much more time to get back into the rotation. It'll take longer and longer with each passing week until about 6 weeks in when it'll take another 3 weeks to get his arm ready to start again. In that case you're not only wiping out over 2 months--a considerable sample size in relation to a 6 month schedule--but gord knows what physiological risks you'll be taking by doing this to his arm. The more I think about it the more I feel my eyeballs protruding from their eye sockets with RAGE and the more I want to kick the Yellonses and Kaplanses in the nuts.
I can't wait to see Z throwin' towel after throwing as hard as he can back-to-back games the next few weeks.
Maybe he's hurt? Maybe his arm hurts and can't handle starting and throwing that many pitches and they don't want to DL him?
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on April 22, 2010, 07:44:46 AM
Maybe he's hurt? Maybe his arm hurts and can't handle starting and throwing that many pitches and they don't want to DL him?
Then DL him now, and have him surgery. Protect that investment. Beating on him like a horse for an 82-80 finish is so stupid that not even you can go along with that.
Now, I don't read Goat Riders b/c it's a horrible website that sucks at websiting. I never have and never will. I also didn't read much of this thread b/c I hate you all, so this article might be LRZB. In either case, is this Kurt (http://sports.yahoo.com/fantasy/blog/roto_arcade/post/Closing-Time-Rant-Upon-further-review-Big-Z-mo;_ylt=AmgIEtJpY6MTBxdSz1JTCLi5bZ8u?urn=fantasy,235827) (scroll down a bit to the links)the same loser douchefag that posts dumb posts here?
Please tell me it's not. Mainly b/c of the previously stated loser douchefag thing, but also b/c the Q&A thing isn't funny at all.
Edit: He links to NSBB too. Didn't see that. I wish I could post there.
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on April 22, 2010, 07:59:03 AM
Now, I don't read Goat Riders b/c it's a horrible website that sucks at websiting. I never have and never will. I also didn't read much of this thread b/c I hate you all, so this article might be LRZB. In either case, is this Kurt (http://sports.yahoo.com/fantasy/blog/roto_arcade/post/Closing-Time-Rant-Upon-further-review-Big-Z-mo;_ylt=AmgIEtJpY6MTBxdSz1JTCLi5bZ8u?urn=fantasy,235827) (scroll down a bit to the links)the same loser douchefag that posts dumb posts here?
Please tell me it's not. Mainly b/c of the previously stated loser douchefag thing, but also b/c the Q&A thing isn't funny at all.
Edit: He links to NSBB too. Didn't see that. I wish I could post there.
Is Andy Behrens this guy? (http://www.desipio.com/?p=2888#comment-119527)
I honestly thought "Andy B"'s was Andy D.'s pre-emptive bizarro characterization. kinda llike that guy who was "Bave D." to mock Dave B. for beating up nerds. I mean, how can the first commentor already be there, ready to argue this inanity?
Being on this one blog and in an internet chatroom with a bunch of other weirdo dudes is one thing, but why do you guys concern yourselves with other, more shitty blogs/bloggers so much?
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 22, 2010, 08:18:21 AM
Being on this one blog and in an internet chatroom with a bunch of other weirdo dudes is one thing, but why do you guys concern yourselves with other, more shitty blogs/bloggers so much?
Personally, I like to pretend I'm smarter than them, and then brag about it. Rest of these guys, I dunno. Maybe it's because we have nothing better to do with our lives.
Quote from: Yeti on April 22, 2010, 08:23:31 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 22, 2010, 08:18:21 AM
Being on this one blog and in an internet chatroom with a bunch of other weirdo dudes is one thing, but why do you guys concern yourselves with other, more shitty blogs/bloggers so much?
Personally, I like to pretend I'm smarter than them, and then brag about it. Rest of these guys, I dunno. Maybe it's because we have nothing better to do with our lives.
Maybe it's just that I really like this group of internet weirdos that I don't concern myself with other, lesser internet weirdos. Except that one time with the chubbyjulie video chatroom of sadness.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 22, 2010, 08:18:21 AM
Being on this one blog and in an internet chatroom with a bunch of other weirdo dudes is one thing, but why do you guys concern yourselves with other, more shitty blogs/bloggers so much?
Because it's the Internet and it's fun to talk about stuff sometimes.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 22, 2010, 08:18:21 AM
Being on this one blog and in an internet chatroom with a bunch of other weirdo dudes is one thing, but why do you guys concern yourselves with other, more shitty blogs/bloggers so much?
Who are you talking about besides TDubbs? I just assumed he was bored and felt like picking on Kurt.
As for caring what the perception others fans in general have, it's hard to ignore the idiot masses on a day like today. it would require someone who doesn't have to
live around these people, for starters. Christ my office is literally a floor above Kaplan's.
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 08:31:46 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 22, 2010, 08:18:21 AM
Being on this one blog and in an internet chatroom with a bunch of other weirdo dudes is one thing, but why do you guys concern yourselves with other, more shitty blogs/bloggers so much?
Who are you talking about besides TDubbs? I just assumed he was bored and felt like picking on Kurt.
As for caring what the perception others fans in general have, it's hard to ignore the idiot masses on a day like today. it would require someone who doesn't have to live around these people, for starters. Christ my office is literally a floor above Kaplan's.
Have you upper decked Kap's office john yet?
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 07:32:14 AM
It's a a relatively minor thing if it's only for a week and Z misses one start. But if it goes beyond that it begins to become criminally and historically stupid. Because after a week or so, say 3 appearances for Z, he's going to be settled in and it'll take him that much more time to get back into the rotation. It'll take longer and longer with each passing week until about 6 weeks in when it'll take another 3 weeks to get his arm ready to start again. In that case you're not only wiping out over 2 months--a considerable sample size in relation to a 6 month schedule--but gord knows what physiological risks you'll be taking by doing this to his arm. The more I think about it the more I feel my eyeballs protruding from their eye sockets with RAGE and the more I want to kick the Yellonses and Kaplanses in the nuts.
And this with a guy who you're going to be paying $36 million in 2011 and 2012. Just a brilliant move to completely minimize the value you're getting for the shitpot of cash you invested in the guy to be a top-line starter.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 22, 2010, 08:18:21 AM
Being on this one blog and in an internet chatroom with a bunch of other weirdo dudes is one thing, but why do you guys concern yourselves with other, more shitty blogs/bloggers so much?
BECAUSE GIRLS JUST WANNA HAVE FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sully was on the Score with Mulligan and Hanley and said that Piniella was giddy over telling everyone about the move. The guess is Lou's showing up Hendry, or the rest of the bullpen.
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest Gorzelanny is being actively dealt for a right-handed relief pitcher worth a shit. After last night, it's apparent Silva has earned a spot in the rotation for now, and if the bullpen doesn't need anything right now it's a mediocre left-hander.
Again, I refuse to believe Zambrano will miss more than one start.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 22, 2010, 08:18:21 AM
Being on this one blog and in an internet chatroom with a bunch of other weirdo dudes is one thing, but why do you guys concern yourselves with other, more shitty blogs/bloggers so much?
Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. If we didn't spend all that time mocking other shitty websites we'd probably spend it ridiculing you for being a simpleton.
I think this is Lou's version of Dusty playing Lenny Harris at third base until Hendry would finally trade for a real one.
I didn't agree with that, and I don't agree with this. Holy fuck this is just all kinds of dumb. How can this franchise not have a single righthanded reliever other than Marmol who can get anybody out?
And Zambrano's going to be back in the rotation in a week, not because the Cubs wisen up, but because Silva's had to leave all three starts with shoulder pain, including last night. So...great?
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on April 22, 2010, 07:59:03 AM
Now, I don't read Goat Riders b/c it's a horrible website that sucks at websiting. I never have and never will. I also didn't read much of this thread b/c I hate you all, so this article might be LRZB. In either case, is this Kurt (http://sports.yahoo.com/fantasy/blog/roto_arcade/post/Closing-Time-Rant-Upon-further-review-Big-Z-mo;_ylt=AmgIEtJpY6MTBxdSz1JTCLi5bZ8u?urn=fantasy,235827) (scroll down a bit to the links)the same loser douchefag that posts dumb posts here?
Please tell me it's not. Mainly b/c of the previously stated loser douchefag thing, but also b/c the Q&A thing isn't funny at all.
Edit: He links to NSBB too. Didn't see that. I wish I could post there.
Since no one directly answered your question, the answer is yes. Yes it is. Note the "goatriders.org" on his photoshops. To wit:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3070/2695648723_cbd8e3df41_o.jpg)
Quote from: Andy on April 22, 2010, 08:48:47 AM
I think this is Lou's version of Dusty playing Lenny Harris at third base until Hendry would finally trade for a real one.
I didn't agree with that, and I don't agree with this. Holy fuck this is just all kinds of dumb. How can this franchise not have a single righthanded reliever other than Marmol who can get anybody out?
And Zambrano's going to be back in the rotation in a week, not because the Cubs wisen up, but because Silva's had to leave all three starts with shoulder pain, including last night. So...great?
Dusty didn't play Lenny Harris to force Hendry to find a real third baseman.
Dusty played Lenny Harris for the same reason he ran Neifi out there every goddamn day. He's a fucking idiot.
However, I do think there is something to the line of thinking that one of the reasons Lou is doing this is send a healthy "fuck you" to Hendry for putting together such a horseshit bullpen to begin with. THAT is where the bulk of the anger should be directed.
If Hendry had half a fucking clue what he was doing this move wouldn't be necessary.
Quote from: Eli on April 22, 2010, 08:30:42 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 22, 2010, 08:18:21 AM
Being on this one blog and in an internet chatroom with a bunch of other weirdo dudes is one thing, but why do you guys concern yourselves with other, more shitty blogs/bloggers so much?
Because it's the Internet and it's fun to talk about stuff sometimes.
This and work is boring. No need to really read much more into it than that.
Quote from: Brownie on April 22, 2010, 08:45:11 AM
Sully was on the Score with Mulligan and Hanley and said that Piniella was giddy over telling everyone about the move. The guess is Lou's showing up Hendry, or the rest of the bullpen.
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest Gorzelanny is being actively dealt for a right-handed relief pitcher worth a shit. After last night, it's apparent Silva has earned a spot in the rotation for now, and if the bullpen doesn't need anything right now it's a mediocre left-hander.
Again, I refuse to believe Zambrano will miss more than one start.
This type of thinking is good for fans because it allows us to rationalize what is otherwise a stupid move. But theories like Lou wanting to show up Hendry or send a message are usually just wishful thinking on our part. Lou's doing this because he thinks it will make the team better. I don't think there's anything more to it, unfortunately.
Quote from: Eli on April 22, 2010, 09:05:57 AM
Quote from: Brownie on April 22, 2010, 08:45:11 AM
Sully was on the Score with Mulligan and Hanley and said that Piniella was giddy over telling everyone about the move. The guess is Lou's showing up Hendry, or the rest of the bullpen.
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest Gorzelanny is being actively dealt for a right-handed relief pitcher worth a shit. After last night, it's apparent Silva has earned a spot in the rotation for now, and if the bullpen doesn't need anything right now it's a mediocre left-hander.
Again, I refuse to believe Zambrano will miss more than one start.
This type of thinking is good for fans because it allows us to rationalize what is otherwise a stupid move. But theories like Lou wanting to show up Hendry or send a message are usually just wishful thinking on our part. Lou's doing this because he thinks it will make the team better. I don't think there's anything more to it, unfortunately.
Eli has never been more in accord with my thinking.
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 08:13:01 AM
Is Andy Behrens this guy? (http://www.desipio.com/?p=2888#comment-119527)
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say "no"...
Quote from: Andy BehrensTo me, this decision proves only that the Chicago Cubs are institutionally broken. It's a baffling, panicky reaction to 15 games worth of data.
Quote from: Andy BI think it was the one and only move that they could make, and for once they didnt screw it up.
Quote from: morpheus on April 22, 2010, 08:51:13 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on April 22, 2010, 07:59:03 AM
Now, I don't read Goat Riders b/c it's a horrible website that sucks at websiting. I never have and never will. I also didn't read much of this thread b/c I hate you all, so this article might be LRZB. In either case, is this Kurt (http://sports.yahoo.com/fantasy/blog/roto_arcade/post/Closing-Time-Rant-Upon-further-review-Big-Z-mo;_ylt=AmgIEtJpY6MTBxdSz1JTCLi5bZ8u?urn=fantasy,235827) (scroll down a bit to the links)the same loser douchefag that posts dumb posts here?
Please tell me it's not. Mainly b/c of the previously stated loser douchefag thing, but also b/c the Q&A thing isn't funny at all.
Edit: He links to NSBB too. Didn't see that. I wish I could post there.
Since no one directly answered your question, the answer is yes. Yes it is. Note the "goatriders.org" on his photoshops. To wit:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3070/2695648723_cbd8e3df41_o.jpg)
I really don't fucking get this horseshit Kurt Evans photoshop at all.
Quote from: Andy on April 22, 2010, 10:40:54 AM
Quote from: morpheus on April 22, 2010, 08:51:13 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on April 22, 2010, 07:59:03 AM
Now, I don't read Goat Riders b/c it's a horrible website that sucks at websiting. I never have and never will. I also didn't read much of this thread b/c I hate you all, so this article might be LRZB. In either case, is this Kurt (http://sports.yahoo.com/fantasy/blog/roto_arcade/post/Closing-Time-Rant-Upon-further-review-Big-Z-mo;_ylt=AmgIEtJpY6MTBxdSz1JTCLi5bZ8u?urn=fantasy,235827) (scroll down a bit to the links)the same loser douchefag that posts dumb posts here?
Please tell me it's not. Mainly b/c of the previously stated loser douchefag thing, but also b/c the Q&A thing isn't funny at all.
Edit: He links to NSBB too. Didn't see that. I wish I could post there.
Since no one directly answered your question, the answer is yes. Yes it is. Note the "goatriders.org" on his photoshops. To wit:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3070/2695648723_cbd8e3df41_o.jpg)
I really don't fucking get this horseshit Kurt Evans photoshop at all.
That made me laugh like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZm47SrmuwM).
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on April 22, 2010, 10:07:21 AM
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 08:13:01 AM
Is Andy Behrens this guy? (http://www.desipio.com/?p=2888#comment-119527)
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say "no"...
Quote from: Andy BehrensTo me, this decision proves only that the Chicago Cubs are institutionally broken. It's a baffling, panicky reaction to 15 games worth of data.
Quote from: Andy BI think it was the one and only move that they could make, and for once they didnt screw it up.
Good. So mock poster?
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 10:47:58 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on April 22, 2010, 10:07:21 AM
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 08:13:01 AM
Is Andy Behrens this guy? (http://www.desipio.com/?p=2888#comment-119527)
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say "no"...
Quote from: Andy BehrensTo me, this decision proves only that the Chicago Cubs are institutionally broken. It's a baffling, panicky reaction to 15 games worth of data.
Quote from: Andy BI think it was the one and only move that they could make, and for once they didnt screw it up.
Good. So mock poster?
BUT THEY HAVE THE SAME FIRST NAME AND THE SAME FIRST INITIAL OF THEIR LAST NAME.
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on April 22, 2010, 10:57:37 AM
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 10:47:58 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on April 22, 2010, 10:07:21 AM
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 08:13:01 AM
Is Andy Behrens this guy? (http://www.desipio.com/?p=2888#comment-119527)
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say "no"...
Quote from: Andy BehrensTo me, this decision proves only that the Chicago Cubs are institutionally broken. It's a baffling, panicky reaction to 15 games worth of data.
Quote from: Andy BI think it was the one and only move that they could make, and for once they didnt screw it up.
Good. So mock poster?
BUT THEY HAVE THE SAME FIRST NAME AND THE SAME FIRST INITIAL OF THEIR LAST NAME.
Wait. Does this mean Huey is in the Beastie Boys?
Quote from: Bort on April 22, 2010, 11:27:00 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on April 22, 2010, 10:57:37 AM
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 10:47:58 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on April 22, 2010, 10:07:21 AM
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 08:13:01 AM
Is Andy Behrens this guy? (http://www.desipio.com/?p=2888#comment-119527)
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say "no"...
Quote from: Andy BehrensTo me, this decision proves only that the Chicago Cubs are institutionally broken. It's a baffling, panicky reaction to 15 games worth of data.
Quote from: Andy BI think it was the one and only move that they could make, and for once they didnt screw it up.
Good. So mock poster?
BUT THEY HAVE THE SAME FIRST NAME AND THE SAME FIRST INITIAL OF THEIR LAST NAME.
Wait. Does this mean Huey is in the Beastie Boys?
I never liked the Beastie Boys and didn't even know who "Mike D." was when Desipio saved us all in 2003. True story.
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 11:33:54 AM
Quote from: Bort on April 22, 2010, 11:27:00 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on April 22, 2010, 10:57:37 AM
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 10:47:58 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on April 22, 2010, 10:07:21 AM
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 08:13:01 AM
Is Andy Behrens this guy? (http://www.desipio.com/?p=2888#comment-119527)
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say "no"...
Quote from: Andy BehrensTo me, this decision proves only that the Chicago Cubs are institutionally broken. It's a baffling, panicky reaction to 15 games worth of data.
Quote from: Andy BI think it was the one and only move that they could make, and for once they didnt screw it up.
Good. So mock poster?
BUT THEY HAVE THE SAME FIRST NAME AND THE SAME FIRST INITIAL OF THEIR LAST NAME.
Wait. Does this mean Huey is in the Beastie Boys?
I never liked the Beastie Boys and didn't even know who "Mike D." was when Desipio saved us all in 2003. True story.
Ignorance is no excuse, Mr. Diamond.
Quote from: Bort on April 22, 2010, 11:52:39 AM
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 11:33:54 AM
Quote from: Bort on April 22, 2010, 11:27:00 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on April 22, 2010, 10:57:37 AM
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 10:47:58 AM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on April 22, 2010, 10:07:21 AM
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 08:13:01 AM
Is Andy Behrens this guy? (http://www.desipio.com/?p=2888#comment-119527)
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say "no"...
Quote from: Andy BehrensTo me, this decision proves only that the Chicago Cubs are institutionally broken. It's a baffling, panicky reaction to 15 games worth of data.
Quote from: Andy BI think it was the one and only move that they could make, and for once they didnt screw it up.
Good. So mock poster?
BUT THEY HAVE THE SAME FIRST NAME AND THE SAME FIRST INITIAL OF THEIR LAST NAME.
Wait. Does this mean Huey is in the Beastie Boys?
I never liked the Beastie Boys and didn't even know who "Mike D." was when Desipio saved us all in 2003. True story.
Ignorance is no excuse, Mr. Diamond.
The same night Huey declared his love for aaron miles, he shared with me that him and MikeC used to be bros, so when he picked a desipio name they decided to be wear similar outfits, so Mike went with MikeD.
Quote from: Andy on April 22, 2010, 10:40:54 AM
Quote from: morpheus on April 22, 2010, 08:51:13 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on April 22, 2010, 07:59:03 AM
Now, I don't read Goat Riders b/c it's a horrible website that sucks at websiting. I never have and never will. I also didn't read much of this thread b/c I hate you all, so this article might be LRZB. In either case, is this Kurt (http://sports.yahoo.com/fantasy/blog/roto_arcade/post/Closing-Time-Rant-Upon-further-review-Big-Z-mo;_ylt=AmgIEtJpY6MTBxdSz1JTCLi5bZ8u?urn=fantasy,235827) (scroll down a bit to the links)the same loser douchefag that posts dumb posts here?
Please tell me it's not. Mainly b/c of the previously stated loser douchefag thing, but also b/c the Q&A thing isn't funny at all.
Edit: He links to NSBB too. Didn't see that. I wish I could post there.
Since no one directly answered your question, the answer is yes. Yes it is. Note the "goatriders.org" on his photoshops. To wit:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3070/2695648723_cbd8e3df41_o.jpg)
I really don't fucking get this horseshit Kurt Evans photoshop at all.
Sort of the same way I feel about reading most of your articles. Or was I not supposed to say that?
So last year I counted that the Cubs were in 63 1 or 2 run games, the year before, 70. There's the old addage: "you win a third, lose a third, and what you do with the other third is what determines your season." If you consider these games "close" enough to have gone either way, then that makes sense. (And sure, there will be some false games in here--that were made close in the 9th, but there are also probably as many games that were close but made not close in the same manner.)
Assuming each starter gets an equal share of those, Z would influence somewhere between 12 and 14 "close" games as a starter. Leaving about 20 starts to influence either the more sure L's or W's, assuming a healthy Z making all of his starts.
The Cubs have already played 8 one or two-run games this season and are 2-6 in them. Assuming that over the season, the range of 63-70 is accurate, that means the Cubs have 55-62 "close" games left. If Z would pitch in 2/3 of those, he'd influence about 40 "close" games.
If he can have a strong and positive influence on most of those 40 close games, then he might do more for the team winning than he would in the 15 or so starts he'd get in the same "close" games.
I'm not sold on the move, but I think that the knee-jerk reaction so far lacks evidence that's persuasive. I'm no statfag, but I think there's reason to believe that a 1-inning Z influence in close games could lead to more wins than a 5-9 inning Z influence every fifth day. That is, I don't think that Lou is outside the bounds of reason here, even if he's wrong.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 12:34:59 PM
I'm no statfag, but I think there's reason to believe that a 1-inning Z influence in close games could lead to more wins than a 5-9 inning Z influence every fifth day.
The second clause in that sentence renders the first a redundancy.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 12:34:59 PMThe Cubs have already played 8 one or two-run games this season and are 2-6 in them. Assuming that over the season, the range of 63-70 is accurate, that means the Cubs have 55-62 "close" games left.
Wow. That's not how it works at all.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 12:34:59 PM
So last year I counted that the Cubs were in 63 1 or 2 run games, the year before, 70. There's the old addage: "you win a third, lose a third, and what you do with the other third is what determines your season." If you consider these games "close" enough to have gone either way, then that makes sense. (And sure, there will be some false games in here--that were made close in the 9th, but there are also probably as many games that were close but made not close in the same manner.)
Assuming each starter gets an equal share of those, Z would influence somewhere between 12 and 14 "close" games as a starter. Leaving about 20 starts to influence either the more sure L's or W's, assuming a healthy Z making all of his starts.
The Cubs have already played 8 one or two-run games this season and are 2-6 in them. Assuming that over the season, the range of 63-70 is accurate, that means the Cubs have 55-62 "close" games left. If Z would pitch in 2/3 of those, he'd influence about 40 "close" games.
If he can have a strong and positive influence on most of those 40 close games, then he might do more for the team winning than he would in the 15 or so starts he'd get in the same "close" games.
I'm not sold on the move, but I think that the knee-jerk reaction so far lacks evidence that's persuasive. I'm no statfag, but I think there's reason to believe that a 1-inning Z influence in close games could lead to more wins than a 5-9 inning Z influence every fifth day. That is, I don't think that Lou is outside the bounds of reason here, even if he's wrong.
I'll tell you what, I like the idea of having a crappier starting pitcher in there so he can put the Cubs down 5-4 and then Z can come into that close game and INFLUENCE it by not allowing any more runs and then the Cubs offense gets stymied by Matt Lindstrom.
OOOORRRRRRR....
The Cubs could just throw Z out there for 6-7 innings early, put the Cubs up 4-2 (or 3) and give them a 70% chance of winning.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 12:34:59 PM
So last year I counted that the Cubs were in 63 1 or 2 run games, the year before, 70. There's the old addage: "you win a third, lose a third, and what you do with the other third is what determines your season." If you consider these games "close" enough to have gone either way, then that makes sense. (And sure, there will be some false games in here--that were made close in the 9th, but there are also probably as many games that were close but made not close in the same manner.)
Assuming each starter gets an equal share of those, Z would influence somewhere between 12 and 14 "close" games as a starter. Leaving about 20 starts to influence either the more sure L's or W's, assuming a healthy Z making all of his starts.
The Cubs have already played 8 one or two-run games this season and are 2-6 in them. Assuming that over the season, the range of 63-70 is accurate, that means the Cubs have 55-62 "close" games left. If Z would pitch in 2/3 of those, he'd influence about 40 "close" games.
If he can have a strong and positive influence on most of those 40 close games, then he might do more for the team winning than he would in the 15 or so starts he'd get in the same "close" games.
I'm not sold on the move, but I think that the knee-jerk reaction so far lacks evidence that's persuasive. I'm no statfag, but I think there's reason to believe that a 1-inning Z influence in close games could lead to more wins than a 5-9 inning Z influence every fifth day. That is, I don't think that Lou is outside the bounds of reason here, even if he's wrong.
Wow, you're really going all out with this "dipshit fan" shtick. Talk about dedication to a bit.
Quote from: Yeti on April 22, 2010, 01:02:50 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 12:34:59 PM
So last year I counted that the Cubs were in 63 1 or 2 run games, the year before, 70. There's the old addage: "you win a third, lose a third, and what you do with the other third is what determines your season." If you consider these games "close" enough to have gone either way, then that makes sense. (And sure, there will be some false games in here--that were made close in the 9th, but there are also probably as many games that were close but made not close in the same manner.)
Assuming each starter gets an equal share of those, Z would influence somewhere between 12 and 14 "close" games as a starter. Leaving about 20 starts to influence either the more sure L's or W's, assuming a healthy Z making all of his starts.
The Cubs have already played 8 one or two-run games this season and are 2-6 in them. Assuming that over the season, the range of 63-70 is accurate, that means the Cubs have 55-62 "close" games left. If Z would pitch in 2/3 of those, he'd influence about 40 "close" games.
If he can have a strong and positive influence on most of those 40 close games, then he might do more for the team winning than he would in the 15 or so starts he'd get in the same "close" games.
I'm not sold on the move, but I think that the knee-jerk reaction so far lacks evidence that's persuasive. I'm no statfag, but I think there's reason to believe that a 1-inning Z influence in close games could lead to more wins than a 5-9 inning Z influence every fifth day. That is, I don't think that Lou is outside the bounds of reason here, even if he's wrong.
I'll tell you what, I like the idea of having a crappier starting pitcher in there so he can put the Cubs down 5-4 and then Z can come into that close game and INFLUENCE it by not allowing any more runs and then the Cubs offense gets stymied by Matt Lindstrom.
OOOORRRRRRR....
The Cubs could just throw Z out there for 6-7 innings early, put the Cubs up 4-2 (or 3) and give them a 70% chance of winning.
But Z is only going to do that X number of times a year--and given his injuries and inconsistencies, I'm not sure how big that number will really be. It's not like we're talking about Halladay or Santana here. Z's replacement is still going to give you some good games--not as many, but since starts are so limited, we probably aren't talking a huge number.
If Z comes in the 8th instead of Samar;aljkfda or Gray, with a 1-run lead, how much does he increase the winning %? 10% 20% Less, more? I don't know. But the way the righties are pitching out of the pen, I feel like it'd have to be a lot.
But really, what the math would come down to is whether the difference in expeted wins between Z and his replacement starter is greater than the Cubs' expected win totals with Z pitching in spots where someone in the pen would pitch now (excluding Marmol). I don't think the answer to that is as obvious as everyone else thinks it is.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 01:29:45 PM
Quote from: Yeti on April 22, 2010, 01:02:50 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 12:34:59 PM
So last year I counted that the Cubs were in 63 1 or 2 run games, the year before, 70. There's the old addage: "you win a third, lose a third, and what you do with the other third is what determines your season." If you consider these games "close" enough to have gone either way, then that makes sense. (And sure, there will be some false games in here--that were made close in the 9th, but there are also probably as many games that were close but made not close in the same manner.)
Assuming each starter gets an equal share of those, Z would influence somewhere between 12 and 14 "close" games as a starter. Leaving about 20 starts to influence either the more sure L's or W's, assuming a healthy Z making all of his starts.
The Cubs have already played 8 one or two-run games this season and are 2-6 in them. Assuming that over the season, the range of 63-70 is accurate, that means the Cubs have 55-62 "close" games left. If Z would pitch in 2/3 of those, he'd influence about 40 "close" games.
If he can have a strong and positive influence on most of those 40 close games, then he might do more for the team winning than he would in the 15 or so starts he'd get in the same "close" games.
I'm not sold on the move, but I think that the knee-jerk reaction so far lacks evidence that's persuasive. I'm no statfag, but I think there's reason to believe that a 1-inning Z influence in close games could lead to more wins than a 5-9 inning Z influence every fifth day. That is, I don't think that Lou is outside the bounds of reason here, even if he's wrong.
I'll tell you what, I like the idea of having a crappier starting pitcher in there so he can put the Cubs down 5-4 and then Z can come into that close game and INFLUENCE it by not allowing any more runs and then the Cubs offense gets stymied by Matt Lindstrom.
OOOORRRRRRR....
The Cubs could just throw Z out there for 6-7 innings early, put the Cubs up 4-2 (or 3) and give them a 70% chance of winning.
But Z is only going to do that X number of times a year--and given his injuries and inconsistencies, I'm not sure how big that number will really be. It's not like we're talking about Halladay or Santana here. Z's replacement is still going to give you some good games--not as many, but since starts are so limited, we probably aren't talking a huge number.
If Z comes in the 8th instead of Samar;aljkfda or Gray, with a 1-run lead, how much does he increase the winning %? 10% 20% Less, more? I don't know. But the way the righties are pitching out of the pen, I feel like it'd have to be a lot.
But really, what the math would come down to is whether the difference in expeted wins between Z and his replacement starter is greater than the Cubs' expected win totals with Z pitching in spots where someone in the pen would pitch now (excluding Marmol). I don't think the answer to that is as obvious as everyone else thinks it is.
MY HEAD A SPLODE
I'm assuming this is in effect a disguised skipped start for Z, with a bit of throw a firecracker in the clubhouse effect for Lou. Anything, else, and this idea is as dumb as nuts and gum.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 01:29:45 PM
Quote from: Yeti on April 22, 2010, 01:02:50 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 12:34:59 PM
So last year I counted that the Cubs were in 63 1 or 2 run games, the year before, 70. There's the old addage: "you win a third, lose a third, and what you do with the other third is what determines your season." If you consider these games "close" enough to have gone either way, then that makes sense. (And sure, there will be some false games in here--that were made close in the 9th, but there are also probably as many games that were close but made not close in the same manner.)
Assuming each starter gets an equal share of those, Z would influence somewhere between 12 and 14 "close" games as a starter. Leaving about 20 starts to influence either the more sure L's or W's, assuming a healthy Z making all of his starts.
The Cubs have already played 8 one or two-run games this season and are 2-6 in them. Assuming that over the season, the range of 63-70 is accurate, that means the Cubs have 55-62 "close" games left. If Z would pitch in 2/3 of those, he'd influence about 40 "close" games.
If he can have a strong and positive influence on most of those 40 close games, then he might do more for the team winning than he would in the 15 or so starts he'd get in the same "close" games.
I'm not sold on the move, but I think that the knee-jerk reaction so far lacks evidence that's persuasive. I'm no statfag, but I think there's reason to believe that a 1-inning Z influence in close games could lead to more wins than a 5-9 inning Z influence every fifth day. That is, I don't think that Lou is outside the bounds of reason here, even if he's wrong.
I'll tell you what, I like the idea of having a crappier starting pitcher in there so he can put the Cubs down 5-4 and then Z can come into that close game and INFLUENCE it by not allowing any more runs and then the Cubs offense gets stymied by Matt Lindstrom.
OOOORRRRRRR....
The Cubs could just throw Z out there for 6-7 innings early, put the Cubs up 4-2 (or 3) and give them a 70% chance of winning.
But Z is only going to do that X number of times a year--and given his injuries and inconsistencies, I'm not sure how big that number will really be. It's not like we're talking about Halladay or Santana here. Z's replacement is still going to give you some good games--not as many, but since starts are so limited, we probably aren't talking a huge number.
If Z comes in the 8th instead of Samar;aljkfda or Gray, with a 1-run lead, how much does he increase the winning %? 10% 20% Less, more? I don't know. But the way the righties are pitching out of the pen, I feel like it'd have to be a lot.
But really, what the math would come down to is whether the difference in expeted wins between Z and his replacement starter is greater than the Cubs' expected win totals with Z pitching in spots where someone in the pen would pitch now (excluding Marmol). I don't think the answer to that is as obvious as everyone else thinks it is.
OK, maybe you're being serious. Let me simplify it for you.
Carlos Zambrano is a better pitcher than Tom Gorzellany and Carlos Silva.
Your best pitchers should pitch the most innings.
By putting him in the bullpen, the Cubs guarantee that Z will pitch fewer innings than Sloth or Tubby.
This is dumb and makes the Cubs less good at baseball.
Why is this so hard to understand?
Quote from: thehawk on April 22, 2010, 01:36:06 PM
I'm assuming this is in effect a disguised skipped start for Z, with a bit of throw a firecracker in the clubhouse effect for Lou. Anything, else, and this idea is as dumb as nuts and gum.
Well, the average meathead cubs fan is a white male, age 18-49....
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 01:29:45 PM
Quote from: Yeti on April 22, 2010, 01:02:50 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 12:34:59 PM
So last year I counted that the Cubs were in 63 1 or 2 run games, the year before, 70. There's the old addage: "you win a third, lose a third, and what you do with the other third is what determines your season." If you consider these games "close" enough to have gone either way, then that makes sense. (And sure, there will be some false games in here--that were made close in the 9th, but there are also probably as many games that were close but made not close in the same manner.)
Assuming each starter gets an equal share of those, Z would influence somewhere between 12 and 14 "close" games as a starter. Leaving about 20 starts to influence either the more sure L's or W's, assuming a healthy Z making all of his starts.
The Cubs have already played 8 one or two-run games this season and are 2-6 in them. Assuming that over the season, the range of 63-70 is accurate, that means the Cubs have 55-62 "close" games left. If Z would pitch in 2/3 of those, he'd influence about 40 "close" games.
If he can have a strong and positive influence on most of those 40 close games, then he might do more for the team winning than he would in the 15 or so starts he'd get in the same "close" games.
I'm not sold on the move, but I think that the knee-jerk reaction so far lacks evidence that's persuasive. I'm no statfag, but I think there's reason to believe that a 1-inning Z influence in close games could lead to more wins than a 5-9 inning Z influence every fifth day. That is, I don't think that Lou is outside the bounds of reason here, even if he's wrong.
I'll tell you what, I like the idea of having a crappier starting pitcher in there so he can put the Cubs down 5-4 and then Z can come into that close game and INFLUENCE it by not allowing any more runs and then the Cubs offense gets stymied by Matt Lindstrom.
OOOORRRRRRR....
The Cubs could just throw Z out there for 6-7 innings early, put the Cubs up 4-2 (or 3) and give them a 70% chance of winning.
But Z is only going to do that X number of times a year--and given his injuries and inconsistencies, I'm not sure how big that number will really be. It's not like we're talking about Halladay or Santana here. Z's replacement is still going to give you some good games--not as many, but since starts are so limited, we probably aren't talking a huge number.
If Z comes in the 8th instead of Samar;aljkfda or Gray, with a 1-run lead, how much does he increase the winning %? 10% 20% Less, more? I don't know. But the way the righties are pitching out of the pen, I feel like it'd have to be a lot.
But really, what the math would come down to is whether the difference in expeted wins between Z and his replacement starter is greater than the Cubs' expected win totals with Z pitching in spots where someone in the pen would pitch now (excluding Marmol). I don't think the answer to that is as obvious as everyone else thinks it is.
Okay. Big Z become a full time starter in 2003. In that time period, out of all major league pitchers, he's
9th in Innings Pitched
4th in Games Started
5th in Wins
4th in Win %
3rd in K's
10th in ERA
4th in ERA+ (adjusts for park factors)
Even in the years in which he's "lost a step" or whatever bullshit phrase Kaplan uses, from 2007-Present he's
23rd in innings pitched
11th in Games Started
11th in Wins
9th in Win %
11th in K's
18th in ERA
11th in ERA+
Meaning that out of roughly 150 major league starters every year, he's still (in his "decline") one of the top 23 or better starting pitchers in the majors. Taking a guy like that and making him a middle reliever is absolutely retarded and completely indefensible.
Quote from: R-V on April 22, 2010, 01:37:01 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 01:29:45 PM
Quote from: Yeti on April 22, 2010, 01:02:50 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 12:34:59 PM
So last year I counted that the Cubs were in 63 1 or 2 run games, the year before, 70. There's the old addage: "you win a third, lose a third, and what you do with the other third is what determines your season." If you consider these games "close" enough to have gone either way, then that makes sense. (And sure, there will be some false games in here--that were made close in the 9th, but there are also probably as many games that were close but made not close in the same manner.)
Assuming each starter gets an equal share of those, Z would influence somewhere between 12 and 14 "close" games as a starter. Leaving about 20 starts to influence either the more sure L's or W's, assuming a healthy Z making all of his starts.
The Cubs have already played 8 one or two-run games this season and are 2-6 in them. Assuming that over the season, the range of 63-70 is accurate, that means the Cubs have 55-62 "close" games left. If Z would pitch in 2/3 of those, he'd influence about 40 "close" games.
If he can have a strong and positive influence on most of those 40 close games, then he might do more for the team winning than he would in the 15 or so starts he'd get in the same "close" games.
I'm not sold on the move, but I think that the knee-jerk reaction so far lacks evidence that's persuasive. I'm no statfag, but I think there's reason to believe that a 1-inning Z influence in close games could lead to more wins than a 5-9 inning Z influence every fifth day. That is, I don't think that Lou is outside the bounds of reason here, even if he's wrong.
I'll tell you what, I like the idea of having a crappier starting pitcher in there so he can put the Cubs down 5-4 and then Z can come into that close game and INFLUENCE it by not allowing any more runs and then the Cubs offense gets stymied by Matt Lindstrom.
OOOORRRRRRR....
The Cubs could just throw Z out there for 6-7 innings early, put the Cubs up 4-2 (or 3) and give them a 70% chance of winning.
But Z is only going to do that X number of times a year--and given his injuries and inconsistencies, I'm not sure how big that number will really be. It's not like we're talking about Halladay or Santana here. Z's replacement is still going to give you some good games--not as many, but since starts are so limited, we probably aren't talking a huge number.
If Z comes in the 8th instead of Samar;aljkfda or Gray, with a 1-run lead, how much does he increase the winning %? 10% 20% Less, more? I don't know. But the way the righties are pitching out of the pen, I feel like it'd have to be a lot.
But really, what the math would come down to is whether the difference in expeted wins between Z and his replacement starter is greater than the Cubs' expected win totals with Z pitching in spots where someone in the pen would pitch now (excluding Marmol). I don't think the answer to that is as obvious as everyone else thinks it is.
Your best pitchers should pitch the most innings.
By putting him in the bullpen, the Cubs guarantee that Z will pitch fewer innings than Sloth or Tubby.
This is dumb and makes the Cubs less good at baseball.
Why is this so hard to understand?
I'd say that Marmol is one of the Cubs' "best pitchers." Yet he'll probably pitch far fewer innings than any starter and most relievers. Or is there an unwritten exception to this rule for closers?
But if there is, why not for setup guys? I think that pitchers should be used wherever they're going to most increase the team's chances of winning. If this team were built well, Z wouldn't have to go to the pen, since the gap between Z the setup guy and setup guy X wouldn't be worth taking Z out of the rotation.
But it might be the case that the righties the Cubs have suck so bad, Z is better off there than in the rotation, from the perspective of expected wins. Hendry is to blame for all of this, but if Z is 20% better than Samardakl;jfa or Gray, and Z will pitch in 30 close games with a lead, that's 6 expected wins. I'm not sold that the difference between Z and his replacement in the rotation (the Cubs' one strength is starting pitching) is 6 games.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 01:29:45 PM
But Z is only going to do that X number of times a year--and given his injuries and inconsistencies, I'm not sure how big that number will really be. It's not like we're talking about Halladay or Santana here. Z's replacement is still going to give you some good games--not as many, but since starts are so limited, we probably aren't talking a huge number.
If Z comes in the 8th instead of Samar;aljkfda or Gray, with a 1-run lead, how much does he increase the winning %? 10% 20% Less, more? I don't know. But the way the righties are pitching out of the pen, I feel like it'd have to be a lot.
But really, what the math would come down to is whether the difference in expeted wins between Z and his replacement starter is greater than the Cubs' expected win totals with Z pitching in spots where someone in the pen would pitch now (excluding Marmol). I don't think the answer to that is as obvious as everyone else thinks it is.
Inconsistencies? Oh you mean how he averages over 200 innings a year? and over 30 games a year? Fuck. That's clearly not enough. For comparisons sake, let's take a look:
Innings Pitched: (and I used time as fulltime starter to be fair to all of them)
Zambrano: 205 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/z/zambrca01.shtml#2003-2009-sum:pitching_simple)
Halladay: 192!!! (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hallaro01.shtml#2001-2009-sum:pitching_simple)
Santan: 219 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/santajo02.shtml#2004-2009-sum:pitching_simple)
So, Z's in between those two, but definitely not in their league as a reliable pitcher? mk.
Now, to grade quality of their performances, it's tough to use just one stat to say "This definitely shows how good they have all been", but I'm going to use Quality Starts. I like the stat. It can give a quick reference to how often a pitcher does well, but since it's based off of Earned Runs (and those can be screwy), it's not the *best* stat to use, but in this case, it's effective.... sooooooo.....
Zambrano Quality Start %: 62 (Since 2002, it's been: 56, 66, 71, 70, 67, 57, 53, and in 2009 it was 61)
Halladay Quality Start %: 65 (I'm not going to detail his. Z's was shown to show he's not on a decline.)
Santana Quality Start %: 67
So, over the course of a season (and we'll use 33 starts for a season since it's close to actual and it translates to 100 easily), Zambrano has one less QS than Halladay and just under 2 less than Santana... But yea, he's nothing like those two.
Dude, the move sucks. It's dumb. Just go with it.
**I see some others posted while I was typing. If I duplicated anything, I don't give a shit.
Quote from: Yeti on April 22, 2010, 01:50:18 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 01:29:45 PM
But Z is only going to do that X number of times a year--and given his injuries and inconsistencies, I'm not sure how big that number will really be. It's not like we're talking about Halladay or Santana here. Z's replacement is still going to give you some good games--not as many, but since starts are so limited, we probably aren't talking a huge number.
If Z comes in the 8th instead of Samar;aljkfda or Gray, with a 1-run lead, how much does he increase the winning %? 10% 20% Less, more? I don't know. But the way the righties are pitching out of the pen, I feel like it'd have to be a lot.
But really, what the math would come down to is whether the difference in expeted wins between Z and his replacement starter is greater than the Cubs' expected win totals with Z pitching in spots where someone in the pen would pitch now (excluding Marmol). I don't think the answer to that is as obvious as everyone else thinks it is.
Inconsistencies? Oh you mean how he averages over 200 innings a year? and over 30 games a year? Fuck. That's clearly not enough. For comparisons sake, let's take a look:
Innings Pitched: (and I used time as fulltime starter to be fair to all of them)
Zambrano: 205 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/z/zambrca01.shtml#2003-2009-sum:pitching_simple)
Halladay: 192!!! (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hallaro01.shtml#2001-2009-sum:pitching_simple)
Santan: 219 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/santajo02.shtml#2004-2009-sum:pitching_simple)
So, Z's in between those two, but definitely not in their league as a reliable pitcher? mk.
Now, to grade quality of their performances, it's tough to use just one stat to say "This definitely shows how good they have all been", but I'm going to use Quality Starts. I like the stat. It can give a quick reference to how often a pitcher does well, but since it's based off of Earned Runs (and those can be screwy), it's not the *best* stat to use, but in this case, it's effective.... sooooooo.....
Zambrano Quality Start %: 62 (Since 2002, it's been: 56, 66, 71, 70, 67, 57, 53, and in 2009 it was 61)
Halladay Quality Start %: 65 (I'm not going to detail his. Z's was shown to show he's not on a decline.)
Santana Quality Start %: 67
So, over the course of a season (and we'll use 33 starts for a season since it's close to actual and it translates to 100 easily), Zambrano has one less QS than Halladay and just under 2 less than Santana... But yea, he's nothing like those two.
Dude, the move sucks. It's dumb. Just go with it.
**I see some others posted while I was typing. If I duplicated anything, I don't give a shit.
If you throw out Halladay's two shortened years in '04 and '05, he quickly jumps ahead of the pack, I think. Also, that he put up those numbers in the AL East has to mean something too. And throw in his CG's and the bonus effect those can have on a bullpen--Z has at most had 3 in a season in '03...Halladay had 5 in 141.2 innings in '05.
Halladay is in a world all by himself as far as SP's go these days. I'd be surprised, but not shocked, if he threatened 30 wins this season.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 02:10:25 PM
Quote from: Yeti on April 22, 2010, 01:50:18 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 01:29:45 PM
But Z is only going to do that X number of times a year--and given his injuries and inconsistencies, I'm not sure how big that number will really be. It's not like we're talking about Halladay or Santana here. Z's replacement is still going to give you some good games--not as many, but since starts are so limited, we probably aren't talking a huge number.
If Z comes in the 8th instead of Samar;aljkfda or Gray, with a 1-run lead, how much does he increase the winning %? 10% 20% Less, more? I don't know. But the way the righties are pitching out of the pen, I feel like it'd have to be a lot.
But really, what the math would come down to is whether the difference in expeted wins between Z and his replacement starter is greater than the Cubs' expected win totals with Z pitching in spots where someone in the pen would pitch now (excluding Marmol). I don't think the answer to that is as obvious as everyone else thinks it is.
Inconsistencies? Oh you mean how he averages over 200 innings a year? and over 30 games a year? Fuck. That's clearly not enough. For comparisons sake, let's take a look:
Innings Pitched: (and I used time as fulltime starter to be fair to all of them)
Zambrano: 205 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/z/zambrca01.shtml#2003-2009-sum:pitching_simple)
Halladay: 192!!! (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hallaro01.shtml#2001-2009-sum:pitching_simple)
Santan: 219 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/santajo02.shtml#2004-2009-sum:pitching_simple)
So, Z's in between those two, but definitely not in their league as a reliable pitcher? mk.
Now, to grade quality of their performances, it's tough to use just one stat to say "This definitely shows how good they have all been", but I'm going to use Quality Starts. I like the stat. It can give a quick reference to how often a pitcher does well, but since it's based off of Earned Runs (and those can be screwy), it's not the *best* stat to use, but in this case, it's effective.... sooooooo.....
Zambrano Quality Start %: 62 (Since 2002, it's been: 56, 66, 71, 70, 67, 57, 53, and in 2009 it was 61)
Halladay Quality Start %: 65 (I'm not going to detail his. Z's was shown to show he's not on a decline.)
Santana Quality Start %: 67
So, over the course of a season (and we'll use 33 starts for a season since it's close to actual and it translates to 100 easily), Zambrano has one less QS than Halladay and just under 2 less than Santana... But yea, he's nothing like those two.
Dude, the move sucks. It's dumb. Just go with it.
**I see some others posted while I was typing. If I duplicated anything, I don't give a shit.
If you throw out Halladay's two shortened years in '04 and '05, he quickly jumps ahead of the pack, I think. Also, that he put up those numbers in the AL East has to mean something too. And throw in his CG's and the bonus effect those can have on a bullpen--Z has at most had 3 in a season in '03...Halladay had 5 in 141.2 innings in '05.
Halladay is in a world all by himself as far as SP's go these days. I'd be surprised, but not shocked, if he threatened 30 wins this season.
Ahh, okay, so we're supposed to throw out Halladay's injured seasons but criticize Z for having injury shortened seasons? Also, do you not think the fact that Halladay playing in the American League where they have THE DESIGNATED HITTER YOU FUCKING MORON played just a slight role in him having more complete games? Jesus H. Christ.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 02:10:25 PM
Halladay is in a world all by himself as far as SP's go these days. I'd be surprised, but not shocked, if he threatened 30 wins this season.
Wait, what?
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 02:17:31 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 02:10:25 PM
Halladay is in a world all by himself as far as SP's go these days. I'd be surprised, but not shocked, if he threatened 30 wins this season.
Wait, what?
I'm sorry. Apparently someone spilled Fucking Insane all over my glasses and I can't clean it off.
Does that say what it looks like it says?
Quote from: Bort on April 22, 2010, 02:19:42 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 02:17:31 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 02:10:25 PM
Halladay is in a world all by himself as far as SP's go these days. I'd be surprised, but not shocked, if he threatened 30 wins this season.
Wait, what?
I'm sorry. Apparently someone spilled Fucking Insane all over my glasses and I can't clean it off.
Does that say what it looks like it says?
I'm not going to look this up--I know, as I'm sure many here do, that Denny McClain was the last pitcher to win thirty-- but I'm willing to bet that the last time this happened in the National League everybody here but Stew did not exist. Hell, outside of Bob Welch (1990) and Steve Stone (1980), I don't think too many people here were alive the last time someone won
25.
Quote from: Bort on April 22, 2010, 02:19:42 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 02:17:31 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 02:10:25 PM
Halladay is in a world all by himself as far as SP's go these days. I'd be surprised, but not shocked, if he threatened 30 wins this season.
Wait, what?
I'm sorry. Apparently someone spilled Fucking Insane all over my glasses and I can't clean it off.
Does that say what it looks like it says?
What number below 20 equates to "threatened"?
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 02:25:04 PM
Quote from: Bort on April 22, 2010, 02:19:42 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 02:17:31 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 02:10:25 PM
Halladay is in a world all by himself as far as SP's go these days. I'd be surprised, but not shocked, if he threatened 30 wins this season.
Wait, what?
I'm sorry. Apparently someone spilled Fucking Insane all over my glasses and I can't clean it off.
Does that say what it looks like it says?
I'm not going to look this up--I know, as I'm sure many here do, that Denny McClain was the last pitcher to win thirty-- but I'm willing to bet that the last time this happened in the National League everybody here but Stew did not exist. Hell, outside of Bob Welch (1990) and Steve Stone (1980), I don't think too many people here were alive the last time someone won 25.
Bearing in mind McLain did it in 1968, the most anemic year for the AL since the deadball era, 30 would be a jaw-dropping achievement for anyone.
Quote from: Bort on April 22, 2010, 02:29:03 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 02:25:04 PM
Quote from: Bort on April 22, 2010, 02:19:42 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 02:17:31 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 02:10:25 PM
Halladay is in a world all by himself as far as SP's go these days. I'd be surprised, but not shocked, if he threatened 30 wins this season.
Wait, what?
I'm sorry. Apparently someone spilled Fucking Insane all over my glasses and I can't clean it off.
Does that say what it looks like it says?
I'm not going to look this up--I know, as I'm sure many here do, that Denny McClain was the last pitcher to win thirty-- but I'm willing to bet that the last time this happened in the National League everybody here but Stew did not exist. Hell, outside of Bob Welch (1990) and Steve Stone (1980), I don't think too many people here were alive the last time someone won 25.
Bearing in mind McLain did it in 1968, the most anemic year for the AL since the deadball era, 30 would be a jaw-dropping achievement for anyone.
What about for a pitcher in a world all by himself? In that world, I'd think one could do anything they wanted. Come visit Halladayland. It's magical.
If Jeff Samardzija gets into 30 games in which the Cubs have the lead this year, he'll threaten 30 wins well before Halladay will.
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 02:25:04 PM
Quote from: Bort on April 22, 2010, 02:19:42 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 02:17:31 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 02:10:25 PM
Halladay is in a world all by himself as far as SP's go these days. I'd be surprised, but not shocked, if he threatened 30 wins this season.
Wait, what?
I'm sorry. Apparently someone spilled Fucking Insane all over my glasses and I can't clean it off.
Does that say what it looks like it says?
I'm not going to look this up--I know, as I'm sure many here do, that Denny McClain was the last pitcher to win thirty-- but I'm willing to bet that the last time this happened in the National League everybody here but Stew did not exist. Hell, outside of Bob Welch (1990) and Steve Stone (1980), I don't think too many people here were alive the last time someone won 25.
Dizzy Dean in 1934. Pre-Stew, I believe.
CFiHP has now exploded my brains all over the monitor at least 5 times in this thread. Short of Tdubbs and IAN drinking a tub full of fermented bear urine and composing a post together, I had no idea this level of mushmindedness was possible.
Is everyone assuming this move for Zambrano is permanent?
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 22, 2010, 02:48:06 PM
Is everyone assuming this move for Zambrano is permanent?
Actually, I think about 5 people said right here in this thread that they thought it was for probably 1 start.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 22, 2010, 02:48:35 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 22, 2010, 02:48:06 PM
Is everyone assuming this move for Zambrano is permanent?
Actually, I think about 5 people said right here in this thread that they thought it was for probably 1 start.
My stand has been anything longer than a week and it quickly infringes upon truly fucked up stupid. It has that potential. Stay tuned.
And to justify it for even 1 week is a pointless exercise. The fact that we're even at this point is depressing.
Quote from: Fork on April 22, 2010, 02:37:15 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 02:25:04 PM
Quote from: Bort on April 22, 2010, 02:19:42 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 02:17:31 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 02:10:25 PM
Halladay is in a world all by himself as far as SP's go these days. I'd be surprised, but not shocked, if he threatened 30 wins this season.
Wait, what?
I'm sorry. Apparently someone spilled Fucking Insane all over my glasses and I can't clean it off.
Does that say what it looks like it says?
I'm not going to look this up--I know, as I'm sure many here do, that Denny McClain was the last pitcher to win thirty-- but I'm willing to bet that the last time this happened in the National League everybody here but Stew did not exist. Hell, outside of Bob Welch (1990) and Steve Stone (1980), I don't think too many people here were alive the last time someone won 25.
Dizzy Dean in 1934. Pre-Stew, I believe.
NL 25+ W seasons since 1950:
1972 Steve Carlton (27 W 41 GS)
1969 Tom Seaver (25 W 35 GS)
1968 Juan Marichal (26 W 38 GS)
1966 Sandy Koufax (27 W 41 GS) and Juan Marichal (25 W 36 GS)
1965 Sandy Koufax (26 W 41 GS)
1963 Sandy Koufax (25 W 40 GS) and Juan Marichal (25 W 40 GS)
1962 Don Drysdale (25 W 41 GS)
1956 Don Newcombe (27 W 36 GS)
1952 Robin Roberts (28 W 37 GS)
Major league seasons with 40+ GS since 1980:
1987 Charlie Hough (40 GS)
1982 Jim Clancy (40 GS)
You know what will happen? The Cubs' pitching will get knocked around in Milwaukee, but the Cubs will get back into the game, tying it up in the 9th, taking the lead in the 10th, only to see Marmol blow the save (but not the game). Then we'll go into the 11th with the new relief pitcher. Then the 12th. Then the 13th, when his spot comes up (and he'll hit a bases-empty double as there are no pinch-hitters available). Then the 14th. Then in the 15th when his spot comes up again (he'll homer to give the Cubs a 10-9 lead). He'll allow a cheap run in the bottom of the 15th, probably on a Jeff Baker throwing error, but come out for the 16th, the 17th (when he singles and his stranded on second). Then the 18th. And the 19th. Finally, in the 20th inning, he'll triple and steal home because the offense is so fucking impotent. And the Cubs will take an 11-10 lead. Then he'll get the first two outs in the 20th before he cramps up. So they'll move him to first base, move DLee out to right and bring Silva to pitch on his side day. Silva will load the bases and give up a tape-measure grand slam to Craig Counsell and the Cubs will lose 14-11 despite 9 2/3 innings of 3 hit, 1 run (none earned) ball from Zambrano (who will have also have hit for the cycle despite not batting until the 13th inning). So they'll move him back into the rotation. Except now he has dead arm because of the 140-pitch outing.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 22, 2010, 02:48:06 PM
Is everyone assuming this move for Zambrano is permanent?
I'm assuming it's permanent because that would be idiotic. Why should I expect anything but the worst?
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on April 22, 2010, 02:59:46 PM
Quote from: Fork on April 22, 2010, 02:37:15 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 02:25:04 PM
Quote from: Bort on April 22, 2010, 02:19:42 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 02:17:31 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 02:10:25 PM
Halladay is in a world all by himself as far as SP's go these days. I'd be surprised, but not shocked, if he threatened 30 wins this season.
Wait, what?
I'm sorry. Apparently someone spilled Fucking Insane all over my glasses and I can't clean it off.
Does that say what it looks like it says?
I'm not going to look this up--I know, as I'm sure many here do, that Denny McClain was the last pitcher to win thirty-- but I'm willing to bet that the last time this happened in the National League everybody here but Stew did not exist. Hell, outside of Bob Welch (1990) and Steve Stone (1980), I don't think too many people here were alive the last time someone won 25.
Dizzy Dean in 1934. Pre-Stew, I believe.
NL 25+ W seasons since 1950:
1972 Steve Carlton (27 W 41 GS)
1969 Tom Seaver (25 W 35 GS)
1968 Juan Marichal (26 W 38 GS)
1966 Sandy Koufax (27 W 41 GS) and Juan Marichal (25 W 36 GS)
1965 Sandy Koufax (26 W 41 GS)
1963 Sandy Koufax (25 W 40 GS) and Juan Marichal (25 W 40 GS)
1962 Don Drysdale (25 W 41 GS)
1956 Don Newcombe (27 W 36 GS)
1952 Robin Roberts (28 W 37 GS)
Major league seasons with 40+ GS since 1980:
1987 Charlie Hough (40 GS)
1982 Jim Clancy (40 GS)
Steve Carlton won 27 games for a 57-win ballclub. Had he been that good in 1980, how many would he have won?
Who the hell gives JIM CLANCY 40 starts??
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 12:34:59 PM
So last year I counted that the Cubs were in 63 1 or 2 run games, the year before, 70. There's the old addage: "you win a third, lose a third, and what you do with the other third is what determines your season." If you consider these games "close" enough to have gone either way, then that makes sense. (And sure, there will be some false games in here--that were made close in the 9th, but there are also probably as many games that were close but made not close in the same manner.)
Assuming each starter gets an equal share of those, Z would influence somewhere between 12 and 14 "close" games as a starter. Leaving about 20 starts to influence either the more sure L's or W's, assuming a healthy Z making all of his starts.
The Cubs have already played 8 one or two-run games this season and are 2-6 in them. Assuming that over the season, the range of 63-70 is accurate, that means the Cubs have 55-62 "close" games left. If Z would pitch in 2/3 of those, he'd influence about 40 "close" games.
If he can have a strong and positive influence on most of those 40 close games, then he might do more for the team winning than he would in the 15 or so starts he'd get in the same "close" games.
I'm not sold on the move, but I think that the knee-jerk reaction so far lacks evidence that's persuasive. I'm no statfag, but I think there's reason to believe that a 1-inning Z influence in close games could lead to more wins than a 5-9 inning Z influence every fifth day. That is, I don't think that Lou is outside the bounds of reason here, even if he's wrong.
You are terrible at math.
Thanks to Yeti, RV and others for covering the nuances of the argument in the previous few pages, allowing me to skate by hours later with a brief sarcastic comment.
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on April 22, 2010, 02:59:46 PM
Quote from: Fork on April 22, 2010, 02:37:15 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 02:25:04 PM
Quote from: Bort on April 22, 2010, 02:19:42 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 02:17:31 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 02:10:25 PM
Halladay is in a world all by himself as far as SP's go these days. I'd be surprised, but not shocked, if he threatened 30 wins this season.
Wait, what?
I'm sorry. Apparently someone spilled Fucking Insane all over my glasses and I can't clean it off.
Does that say what it looks like it says?
I'm not going to look this up--I know, as I'm sure many here do, that Denny McClain was the last pitcher to win thirty-- but I'm willing to bet that the last time this happened in the National League everybody here but Stew did not exist. Hell, outside of Bob Welch (1990) and Steve Stone (1980), I don't think too many people here were alive the last time someone won 25.
Dizzy Dean in 1934. Pre-Stew, I believe.
NL 25+ W seasons since 1950:
1972 Steve Carlton (27 W 41 GS)
1969 Tom Seaver (25 W 35 GS)
1968 Juan Marichal (26 W 38 GS)
1966 Sandy Koufax (27 W 41 GS) and Juan Marichal (25 W 36 GS)
1965 Sandy Koufax (26 W 41 GS)
1963 Sandy Koufax (25 W 40 GS) and Juan Marichal (25 W 40 GS)
1962 Don Drysdale (25 W 41 GS)
1956 Don Newcombe (27 W 36 GS)
1952 Robin Roberts (28 W 37 GS)
Major league seasons with 40+ GS since 1980:
1987 Charlie Hough (40 GS)
1982 Jim Clancy (40 GS)
So nobody's won 28 since Robin Roberts, who started thirty seven games fifty-eight years ago, and someone admits he'd be "surprised but not shocked" to see Robert's Phillie descendant Hallady "threaten" 30 out, what, 32-34? Would I be shocked? Not literally, no. I
can say that you would easily reach consensus that such a feat would be marked as one of the five most momentous individual performances in the last 75 years in baseball history.
It appears that CFiHP has caught some sort of Yellonitis.
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 03:08:24 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on April 22, 2010, 02:59:46 PM
Quote from: Fork on April 22, 2010, 02:37:15 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 02:25:04 PM
Quote from: Bort on April 22, 2010, 02:19:42 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 02:17:31 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 02:10:25 PM
Halladay is in a world all by himself as far as SP's go these days. I'd be surprised, but not shocked, if he threatened 30 wins this season.
Wait, what?
I'm sorry. Apparently someone spilled Fucking Insane all over my glasses and I can't clean it off.
Does that say what it looks like it says?
I'm not going to look this up--I know, as I'm sure many here do, that Denny McClain was the last pitcher to win thirty-- but I'm willing to bet that the last time this happened in the National League everybody here but Stew did not exist. Hell, outside of Bob Welch (1990) and Steve Stone (1980), I don't think too many people here were alive the last time someone won 25.
Dizzy Dean in 1934. Pre-Stew, I believe.
NL 25+ W seasons since 1950:
1972 Steve Carlton (27 W 41 GS)
1969 Tom Seaver (25 W 35 GS)
1968 Juan Marichal (26 W 38 GS)
1966 Sandy Koufax (27 W 41 GS) and Juan Marichal (25 W 36 GS)
1965 Sandy Koufax (26 W 41 GS)
1963 Sandy Koufax (25 W 40 GS) and Juan Marichal (25 W 40 GS)
1962 Don Drysdale (25 W 41 GS)
1956 Don Newcombe (27 W 36 GS)
1952 Robin Roberts (28 W 37 GS)
Major league seasons with 40+ GS since 1980:
1987 Charlie Hough (40 GS)
1982 Jim Clancy (40 GS)
So nobody's won 28 since Robin Roberts, who started thirty seven games fifty-eight years ago, and someone admits he'd be "surprised but not shocked" to see Robert's Phillie descendant Hallady "threaten" 30 out, what, 32-34? Would I be shocked? Not literally, no. I can say that you would easily reach consensus that such a feat would be marked as one of the five most momentous individual performances in the last 75 years in baseball history.
And that includes the time that Daryle Ward ate a Lou Malnati's Pizza topped with a Bacci's Pizza topped with seven McRibs.
Quote from: Bort on April 22, 2010, 03:11:44 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 03:08:24 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on April 22, 2010, 02:59:46 PM
Quote from: Fork on April 22, 2010, 02:37:15 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 02:25:04 PM
Quote from: Bort on April 22, 2010, 02:19:42 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2010, 02:17:31 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 02:10:25 PM
Halladay is in a world all by himself as far as SP's go these days. I'd be surprised, but not shocked, if he threatened 30 wins this season.
Wait, what?
I'm sorry. Apparently someone spilled Fucking Insane all over my glasses and I can't clean it off.
Does that say what it looks like it says?
I'm not going to look this up--I know, as I'm sure many here do, that Denny McClain was the last pitcher to win thirty-- but I'm willing to bet that the last time this happened in the National League everybody here but Stew did not exist. Hell, outside of Bob Welch (1990) and Steve Stone (1980), I don't think too many people here were alive the last time someone won 25.
Dizzy Dean in 1934. Pre-Stew, I believe.
NL 25+ W seasons since 1950:
1972 Steve Carlton (27 W 41 GS)
1969 Tom Seaver (25 W 35 GS)
1968 Juan Marichal (26 W 38 GS)
1966 Sandy Koufax (27 W 41 GS) and Juan Marichal (25 W 36 GS)
1965 Sandy Koufax (26 W 41 GS)
1963 Sandy Koufax (25 W 40 GS) and Juan Marichal (25 W 40 GS)
1962 Don Drysdale (25 W 41 GS)
1956 Don Newcombe (27 W 36 GS)
1952 Robin Roberts (28 W 37 GS)
Major league seasons with 40+ GS since 1980:
1987 Charlie Hough (40 GS)
1982 Jim Clancy (40 GS)
So nobody's won 28 since Robin Roberts, who started thirty seven games fifty-eight years ago, and someone admits he'd be "surprised but not shocked" to see Robert's Phillie descendant Hallady "threaten" 30 out, what, 32-34? Would I be shocked? Not literally, no. I can say that you would easily reach consensus that such a feat would be marked as one of the five most momentous individual performances in the last 75 years in baseball history.
And that includes the time that Daryle Ward ate a Lou Malnati's Pizza topped with a Bacci's Pizza topped with seven McRibs.
Which I delivered on my lightcycle, after it fit so neatly in the new folded compartment of my tronsuit?
You guys laugh at CFiHP now, but ESPN has Halladay projected to go 46-0.
http://espndb.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=3973 (http://espndb.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=3973)
Quote2010 Season Stats
SPLITS G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB SO W L P/GS WHIP BAA ERA
Season 4 4 2 1 33.0 26 4 3 1 3 28 4 0 103.0 0.88 .220 0.82
Career 317 291 51 16 2079.2 2023 874 783 173 458 1523 152 76 85.3 1.19 .254 3.39
Last 7 days 2 2 1 1 17.0 13 2 2 1 1 11 2 0 -- 0.82 .213 1.06
Projected 46 46 23 12 382 301 46 35 12 35 324 46 0 103.0 0.88 .220 0.82
Quote from: Tony on April 22, 2010, 04:12:16 PM
You guys laugh at CFiHP now, but ESPN has Halladay projected to go 46-0.
http://espndb.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=3973 (http://espndb.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=3973)
Quote2010 Season Stats
SPLITS G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB SO W L P/GS WHIP BAA ERA
Season 4 4 2 1 33.0 26 4 3 1 3 28 4 0 103.0 0.88 .220 0.82
Career 317 291 51 16 2079.2 2023 874 783 173 458 1523 152 76 85.3 1.19 .254 3.39
Last 7 days 2 2 1 1 17.0 13 2 2 1 1 11 2 0 -- 0.82 .213 1.06
Projected 46 46 23 12 382 301 46 35 12 35 324 46 0 103.0 0.88 .220 0.82
Well we really don't know the laws of nature of the other world Halladay's in right now. So anything is possible.
In Halladay World do they still go with a four-man rotation? Because that would be pretty hard on those four Halladays. Maybe Jamie Moyer can take every fifth start in Halladay World to save the four Halladays' arms for the postseason.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UCrXJWvPuw
Quote from: Internet Apex on April 22, 2010, 05:10:52 PM
In Halladay World do they still go with a four-man rotation? Because that would be pretty hard on those four Halladay's. Maybe Jamie Moyer can take every fifth start in Halladay World to save the four Halladay's arms for the postseason.
That would leave only 35 Theriots on the roster.
Quote from: Bort on April 22, 2010, 05:12:05 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on April 22, 2010, 05:10:52 PM
In Halladay World do they still go with a four-man rotation? Because that would be pretty hard on those four Halladay's. Maybe Jamie Moyer can take every fifth start in Halladay World to save the four Halladay's arms for the postseason.
That would leave only 35 Theriots on the roster.
With four Halladays and Jamie Moyer, 35 Theriots is fairly ample.
Quote from: Internet Apex on April 22, 2010, 05:13:37 PM
Quote from: Bort on April 22, 2010, 05:12:05 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on April 22, 2010, 05:10:52 PM
In Halladay World do they still go with a four-man rotation? Because that would be pretty hard on those four Halladay's. Maybe Jamie Moyer can take every fifth start in Halladay World to save the four Halladay's arms for the postseason.
That would leave only 35 Theriots on the roster.
With four Halladays and Jamie Moyer, 35 Theriots is fairly ample.
134 wins, 35 big white hearts, can't lose.
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on April 22, 2010, 05:22:28 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on April 22, 2010, 05:13:37 PM
Quote from: Bort on April 22, 2010, 05:12:05 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on April 22, 2010, 05:10:52 PM
In Halladay World do they still go with a four-man rotation? Because that would be pretty hard on those four Halladay's. Maybe Jamie Moyer can take every fifth start in Halladay World to save the four Halladay's arms for the postseason.
That would leave only 35 Theriots on the roster.
With four Halladays and Jamie Moyer, 35 Theriots is fairly ample.
134 wins, 35 big white hearts, can't lose.
Why are you understating the heart of Moyer and the four Halladays? Not big and white enough for you eh? You wouldn't last long in Halladay World, I can tell.
And if someone can manage to Kurt Evans this (shirtless) team photo... well... That'd be funny.
Fucking BBTN...
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5124139
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on April 22, 2010, 05:27:19 PM
Fucking BBTN...
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5124139
Leave it to John Kruk to bring the stupid.
Quote from: fiveouts on April 22, 2010, 05:38:06 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on April 22, 2010, 05:27:19 PM
Fucking BBTN...
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5124139
Leave it to John Kruk to bring the stupid.
Did he call Marmol "Mole Mole"?
Just figured it out fuckers.. Z may be in the pen, but we're missing the BIG PICTURE. Clearly, Lou is just going to have Marmol pitch the first inning, Marshall pitch the 2nd and 3rd... Then, Z will come in and close the bitch out in the 4th-9th. He will be in WHEN IT MATTERS..
Consider those dots just fucking connected.
Quote from: Yeti on April 23, 2010, 11:20:18 AM
Just figured it out fuckers.. Z may be in the pen, but we're missing the BIG PICTURE. Clearly, Lou is just going to have Marmol pitch the first inning, Marshall pitch the 2nd and 3rd... Then, Z will come in and close the bitch out in the 4th-9th. He will be in WHEN IT MATTERS..
Consider those dots just fucking connected.
Finally. A sensible voice among the clamorous din of Kruks and CFiHPs.
Quote from: Yeti on April 23, 2010, 11:20:18 AM
Just figured it out fuckers.. Z may be in the pen, but we're missing the BIG PICTURE. Clearly, Lou is just going to have Marmol pitch the first inning, Marshall pitch the 2nd and 3rd... Then, Z will come in and close the bitch out in the 4th-9th. He will be in WHEN IT MATTERS..
Consider those dots just fucking connected.
Pure genius. Nice.
Quote from: Yeti on April 23, 2010, 11:20:18 AM
Just figured it out fuckers.. Z may be in the pen, but we're missing the BIG PICTURE. Clearly, Lou is just going to have Marmol pitch the first inning, Marshall pitch the 2nd and 3rd... Then, Z will come in and close the bitch out in the 4th-9th. He will be in WHEN IT MATTERS..
Consider those dots just fucking connected.
IT'S GONNA HAI (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/07/06/Rays/Lou_resorts_to_starti.shtml)
Quote from: ChuckD on April 23, 2010, 11:39:43 AM
Quote from: Yeti on April 23, 2010, 11:20:18 AM
Just figured it out fuckers.. Z may be in the pen, but we're missing the BIG PICTURE. Clearly, Lou is just going to have Marmol pitch the first inning, Marshall pitch the 2nd and 3rd... Then, Z will come in and close the bitch out in the 4th-9th. He will be in WHEN IT MATTERS..
Consider those dots just fucking connected.
IT'S GONNA HAI (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/07/06/Rays/Lou_resorts_to_starti.shtml)
This is worse than Rule 34.
Freakanomics already beat Lou to it. (http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/23/a-new-kind-of-starting-pitcher/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FreakonomicsBlog+%28Freakonomics+Blog%29)
Cheap Bullpen option.
Royals released RHP Juan Cruz.
Because he was simply killing the team with his 3.38 ERA. Wait! What? 3.38 ERA? Yeah, the Royals are giving up on Cruz after just 5 1/3 innings, even though he was dragging down the team's ERA as a whole. In their defense, he had given up nine hits and four walks, leaving him with a 2.44 WHIP. However, he had also struck out seven. Cruz is still throwing 92-95 mph, and while that's down from a couple of years ago, he hardly seems hopeless. We imagine there will be upwards of 20 teams interested in him now that he can be had for the minimum.
Quote from: BH on April 23, 2010, 05:08:04 PM
Cheap Bullpen option.
Royals released RHP Juan Cruz.
Because he was simply killing the team with his 3.38 ERA. Wait! What? 3.38 ERA? Yeah, the Royals are giving up on Cruz after just 5 1/3 innings, even though he was dragging down the team's ERA as a whole. In their defense, he had given up nine hits and four walks, leaving him with a 2.44 WHIP. However, he had also struck out seven. Cruz is still throwing 92-95 mph, and while that's down from a couple of years ago, he hardly seems hopeless. We imagine there will be upwards of 20 teams interested in him now that he can be had for the minimum.
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Quote from: BH on April 23, 2010, 05:08:04 PM
Cheap Bullpen option.
Royals released RHP Juan Cruz.
Because he was simply killing the team with his 3.38 ERA. Wait! What? 3.38 ERA? Yeah, the Royals are giving up on Cruz after just 5 1/3 innings, even though he was dragging down the team's ERA as a whole. In their defense, he had given up nine hits and four walks, leaving him with a 2.44 WHIP. However, he had also struck out seven. Cruz is still throwing 92-95 mph, and while that's down from a couple of years ago, he hardly seems hopeless. We imagine there will be upwards of 20 teams interested in him now that he can be had for the minimum.
His small frame but good pitch speed reminds me of a young Pedro Martinez.
/2002'd
Quote from: Canadouche on April 23, 2010, 09:39:20 PM
Quote from: BH on April 23, 2010, 05:08:04 PM
Cheap Bullpen option.
Royals released RHP Juan Cruz.
Because he was simply killing the team with his 3.38 ERA. Wait! What? 3.38 ERA? Yeah, the Royals are giving up on Cruz after just 5 1/3 innings, even though he was dragging down the team's ERA as a whole. In their defense, he had given up nine hits and four walks, leaving him with a 2.44 WHIP. However, he had also struck out seven. Cruz is still throwing 92-95 mph, and while that's down from a couple of years ago, he hardly seems hopeless. We imagine there will be upwards of 20 teams interested in him now that he can be had for the minimum.
His small frame but good pitch speed reminds me of a young Pedro Martinez.
/2002'd
Call KC and offer them Vitters for Farnsworth. It's time to cut bait with that kid. /al
Quote from: Armchair_QB on April 23, 2010, 09:41:16 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on April 23, 2010, 09:39:20 PM
Quote from: BH on April 23, 2010, 05:08:04 PM
Cheap Bullpen option.
Royals released RHP Juan Cruz.
Because he was simply killing the team with his 3.38 ERA. Wait! What? 3.38 ERA? Yeah, the Royals are giving up on Cruz after just 5 1/3 innings, even though he was dragging down the team's ERA as a whole. In their defense, he had given up nine hits and four walks, leaving him with a 2.44 WHIP. However, he had also struck out seven. Cruz is still throwing 92-95 mph, and while that's down from a couple of years ago, he hardly seems hopeless. We imagine there will be upwards of 20 teams interested in him now that he can be had for the minimum.
His small frame but good pitch speed reminds me of a young Pedro Martinez.
/2002'd
Call KC and offer them Vitters for Farnsworth. It's time to cut bait with that kid. /al
http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=5938.msg212673#msg212673
We've discussed the Zambrano Bullpen portion of this topic enough. Time to move on to the Lilly Rotation part: I love this man. (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/04/lilly-discusses-his-base-running-adventure.html)
QuoteSo what was Lilly thinking when he made a headfirst slide into second base on a steal attempt in his rehab start at Class-A Peoria?
"Trying to steal second," he said.
Why?
"Because they teach you when you're going into a base and there's a play at the base, they teach you to slide, instead of standing up," he said.
Why would a rehabbing pitcher do that?
"Because I was trying to steal a base," he said. "I was trying to get a run for the team, so the team can score more runs, and our team could score more runs than the other team. Because if we that, then we'll win."
Didn't you risk injuring yourself?
"Every day," he said. "Every day is dangerous."
He said as he sharpened his machete.
Well, he's already the most successful pitcher in the bullpen?
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2010, 08:31:11 PM
Well, he's already the most successful pitcher in the bullpen?
Will Lou keep him in to get the save? Or was the 2 pitch outing all we'll see?
My love for Z can overcome my befuddlement at Uncle's Lou's Wacky Experiment.
Quote from: Brownie on April 24, 2010, 08:32:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2010, 08:31:11 PM
Well, he's already the most successful pitcher in the bullpen?
Will Lou keep him in to get the save? Or was the 2 pitch outing all we'll see?
He'll stay on for the 8th to set up Marmol for the 9th.
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on April 24, 2010, 08:32:29 PM
My love for Z can overcome my befuddlement at Uncle's Lou's Wacky Experiment.
Sure, the idea of him in the pen is weird and stupid. But when Z comes out to pitch and then hit for himself it's great theater.
If every 8th inning appearance includes him giving up a run and driving one in he's going to the hall of fame. As something.
Quote from: Day Man on April 21, 2010, 08:24:04 PM
Just in case you haven't decided which side you're on yet:
Quote from: Al Yellon, King of the SimpsGood. I'm all for this. Discuss. I'll delay the pregame post until 5:00 CDT again.
Time to celebrate! Push back that pregame post! Lou Piniella GETS IT.
My favorite take on this was Dolan's e-mail to Pollyellon:
QuoteRe: Your take on Carlos to the bullpen
Just reminds us all what a fucking idiot you are.
Love always,
Andy
There's really not any one line here (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/04/your-morning-phil-12.html)that's any less stupid than the rest so I guess I'll just have to quote the whole thing.
Quote1. Carlos Zambrano sure looked good working out of the bullpen Monday night. Let's not get too excited just yet, but if his arm holds up it's hard to see why Lou Piniella ever would let him out of that role.
Without Zambrano's 1 2-3 innings, the Cubs probably don't get that 10-inning win over Washington. They've been a different team since Piniella announced that Zambrano was going into the bullpen to fill the team's void from the right side, winning five of six games to reach .500 after opening the season 5-9, and just may have taken a radical action that produces amazing results.
Lots of people, present company included, weren't wild about the move when Piniella announced it last Wednesday. But Zambrano's 93- and 94-mph fastballs worked awfully well in front of Carlos Marmol's mesmerizing combination of fastballs and sliders against the Washington Nationals. It was also important for Piniella that Zambrano could be extended beyond one inning, which should be the case on something of a regular basis.
Let's see how well Zambrano holds up physically and emotionally to working as a set-up man. If he can handle it in both areas, and if the starting rotation remains solid enough that he's not missed in his usual role, then the Cubs could go from having the worst bullpen in baseball to one that's above average -- with lefties Sean Marshall and John Grabow joining Zambrano and Marmol in working the last three innings.
This could be an advantage for the Cubs in head-to-head matchups with St. Louis -- the team the Cubs must beat if they're going to be contenders -- but it can't be fully judged after only two outings in a span of four days.
Zambrano did a nice job talking about his feelings before the game Monday. He's right in saying that a willingness to make the transition shows he's a team player. If he can sustain that willingness -- something that shouldn't be that difficult for all of 2010, as it's the middle year on a guaranteed five-year contract, and thus of little long-term financial impact -- it could be huge.
Zambrano as a starter was never a leader. Zambrano as a reliever could become a leader. Who saw that coming?
Maybe Jim Hendry. Maybe Larry Rothschild. Maybe Greg Maddux. Maybe Piniella. And almost nobody else, including Zambrano.
What's your take, CFiHP?
Quote from: R-V on April 27, 2010, 12:30:05 PM
There's really not any one line here (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/04/your-morning-phil-12.html)that's any less stupid than the rest so I guess I'll just have to quote the whole thing.
Quote1. Carlos Zambrano sure looked good working out of the bullpen Monday night. Let's not get too excited just yet, but if his arm holds up it's hard to see why Lou Piniella ever would let him out of that role.
Without Zambrano's 1 2-3 innings, the Cubs probably don't get that 10-inning win over Washington. They've been a different team since Piniella announced that Zambrano was going into the bullpen to fill the team's void from the right side, winning five of six games to reach .500 after opening the season 5-9, and just may have taken a radical action that produces amazing results.
Lots of people, present company included, weren't wild about the move when Piniella announced it last Wednesday. But Zambrano's 93- and 94-mph fastballs worked awfully well in front of Carlos Marmol's mesmerizing combination of fastballs and sliders against the Washington Nationals. It was also important for Piniella that Zambrano could be extended beyond one inning, which should be the case on something of a regular basis.
Let's see how well Zambrano holds up physically and emotionally to working as a set-up man. If he can handle it in both areas, and if the starting rotation remains solid enough that he's not missed in his usual role, then the Cubs could go from having the worst bullpen in baseball to one that's above average -- with lefties Sean Marshall and John Grabow joining Zambrano and Marmol in working the last three innings.
This could be an advantage for the Cubs in head-to-head matchups with St. Louis -- the team the Cubs must beat if they're going to be contenders -- but it can't be fully judged after only two outings in a span of four days.
Zambrano did a nice job talking about his feelings before the game Monday. He's right in saying that a willingness to make the transition shows he's a team player. If he can sustain that willingness -- something that shouldn't be that difficult for all of 2010, as it's the middle year on a guaranteed five-year contract, and thus of little long-term financial impact -- it could be huge.
Zambrano as a starter was never a leader. Zambrano as a reliever could become a leader. Who saw that coming?
Maybe Jim Hendry. Maybe Larry Rothschild. Maybe Greg Maddux. Maybe Piniella. And almost nobody else, including Zambrano.
What's your take, CFiHP?
R-V, why did you take out the good stuff? Like the bit where Phil Rogers congratulated himself on coming up with the idea for a Crosstown Trophy (And call it the Elwood Blues Cup-- so CLEVER!), or the real gem in which Alex Rios and John Danks along with a bunch of White Sox "prospects" would be an attractive centerpiece for the Brewers to deal them Prince Fielder.
Quote from: Brownie on April 27, 2010, 12:42:41 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 27, 2010, 12:30:05 PM
There's really not any one line here (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/04/your-morning-phil-12.html)that's any less stupid than the rest so I guess I'll just have to quote the whole thing.
Quote1. Carlos Zambrano sure looked good working out of the bullpen Monday night. Let's not get too excited just yet, but if his arm holds up it's hard to see why Lou Piniella ever would let him out of that role.
Without Zambrano's 1 2-3 innings, the Cubs probably don't get that 10-inning win over Washington. They've been a different team since Piniella announced that Zambrano was going into the bullpen to fill the team's void from the right side, winning five of six games to reach .500 after opening the season 5-9, and just may have taken a radical action that produces amazing results.
Lots of people, present company included, weren't wild about the move when Piniella announced it last Wednesday. But Zambrano's 93- and 94-mph fastballs worked awfully well in front of Carlos Marmol's mesmerizing combination of fastballs and sliders against the Washington Nationals. It was also important for Piniella that Zambrano could be extended beyond one inning, which should be the case on something of a regular basis.
Let's see how well Zambrano holds up physically and emotionally to working as a set-up man. If he can handle it in both areas, and if the starting rotation remains solid enough that he's not missed in his usual role, then the Cubs could go from having the worst bullpen in baseball to one that's above average -- with lefties Sean Marshall and John Grabow joining Zambrano and Marmol in working the last three innings.
This could be an advantage for the Cubs in head-to-head matchups with St. Louis -- the team the Cubs must beat if they're going to be contenders -- but it can't be fully judged after only two outings in a span of four days.
Zambrano did a nice job talking about his feelings before the game Monday. He's right in saying that a willingness to make the transition shows he's a team player. If he can sustain that willingness -- something that shouldn't be that difficult for all of 2010, as it's the middle year on a guaranteed five-year contract, and thus of little long-term financial impact -- it could be huge.
Zambrano as a starter was never a leader. Zambrano as a reliever could become a leader. Who saw that coming?
Maybe Jim Hendry. Maybe Larry Rothschild. Maybe Greg Maddux. Maybe Piniella. And almost nobody else, including Zambrano.
What's your take, CFiHP?
R-V, why did you take out the good stuff? Like the bit where Phil Rogers congratulated himself on coming up with the idea for a Crosstown Trophy (And call it the Elwood Blues Cup-- so CLEVER!), or the real gem in which Alex Rios and John Danks along with a bunch of White Sox "prospects" would be an attractive centerpiece for the Brewers to deal them Prince Fielder.
I think the Desipio database can only hold 10.2 jigabytes of stupidity. I was afraid of crashing the site and depriving everyone of the ability to read the riveting Kurt Evans brouhaha.
Quote from: R-V on April 27, 2010, 01:02:08 PM
Quote from: Brownie on April 27, 2010, 12:42:41 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 27, 2010, 12:30:05 PM
There's really not any one line here (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/04/your-morning-phil-12.html)that's any less stupid than the rest so I guess I'll just have to quote the whole thing.
Quote1. Carlos Zambrano sure looked good working out of the bullpen Monday night. Let's not get too excited just yet, but if his arm holds up it's hard to see why Lou Piniella ever would let him out of that role.
Without Zambrano's 1 2-3 innings, the Cubs probably don't get that 10-inning win over Washington. They've been a different team since Piniella announced that Zambrano was going into the bullpen to fill the team's void from the right side, winning five of six games to reach .500 after opening the season 5-9, and just may have taken a radical action that produces amazing results.
Lots of people, present company included, weren't wild about the move when Piniella announced it last Wednesday. But Zambrano's 93- and 94-mph fastballs worked awfully well in front of Carlos Marmol's mesmerizing combination of fastballs and sliders against the Washington Nationals. It was also important for Piniella that Zambrano could be extended beyond one inning, which should be the case on something of a regular basis.
Let's see how well Zambrano holds up physically and emotionally to working as a set-up man. If he can handle it in both areas, and if the starting rotation remains solid enough that he's not missed in his usual role, then the Cubs could go from having the worst bullpen in baseball to one that's above average -- with lefties Sean Marshall and John Grabow joining Zambrano and Marmol in working the last three innings.
This could be an advantage for the Cubs in head-to-head matchups with St. Louis -- the team the Cubs must beat if they're going to be contenders -- but it can't be fully judged after only two outings in a span of four days.
Zambrano did a nice job talking about his feelings before the game Monday. He's right in saying that a willingness to make the transition shows he's a team player. If he can sustain that willingness -- something that shouldn't be that difficult for all of 2010, as it's the middle year on a guaranteed five-year contract, and thus of little long-term financial impact -- it could be huge.
Zambrano as a starter was never a leader. Zambrano as a reliever could become a leader. Who saw that coming?
Maybe Jim Hendry. Maybe Larry Rothschild. Maybe Greg Maddux. Maybe Piniella. And almost nobody else, including Zambrano.
What's your take, CFiHP?
R-V, why did you take out the good stuff? Like the bit where Phil Rogers congratulated himself on coming up with the idea for a Crosstown Trophy (And call it the Elwood Blues Cup-- so CLEVER!), or the real gem in which Alex Rios and John Danks along with a bunch of White Sox "prospects" would be an attractive centerpiece for the Brewers to deal them Prince Fielder.
I think the Desipio database can only hold 10.2 jigabytes of stupidity. I was afraid of crashing the site and depriving everyone of the ability to read the riveting Kurt Evans brouhaha.
That can't be right. I'm sure we've exceeded that capacity long ago.
Quote from: R-V on April 27, 2010, 01:02:08 PM
Quote from: Brownie on April 27, 2010, 12:42:41 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 27, 2010, 12:30:05 PM
There's really not any one line here (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/04/your-morning-phil-12.html)that's any less stupid than the rest so I guess I'll just have to quote the whole thing.
Quote1. Carlos Zambrano sure looked good working out of the bullpen Monday night. Let's not get too excited just yet, but if his arm holds up it's hard to see why Lou Piniella ever would let him out of that role.
Without Zambrano's 1 2-3 innings, the Cubs probably don't get that 10-inning win over Washington. They've been a different team since Piniella announced that Zambrano was going into the bullpen to fill the team's void from the right side, winning five of six games to reach .500 after opening the season 5-9, and just may have taken a radical action that produces amazing results.
Lots of people, present company included, weren't wild about the move when Piniella announced it last Wednesday. But Zambrano's 93- and 94-mph fastballs worked awfully well in front of Carlos Marmol's mesmerizing combination of fastballs and sliders against the Washington Nationals. It was also important for Piniella that Zambrano could be extended beyond one inning, which should be the case on something of a regular basis.
Let's see how well Zambrano holds up physically and emotionally to working as a set-up man. If he can handle it in both areas, and if the starting rotation remains solid enough that he's not missed in his usual role, then the Cubs could go from having the worst bullpen in baseball to one that's above average -- with lefties Sean Marshall and John Grabow joining Zambrano and Marmol in working the last three innings.
This could be an advantage for the Cubs in head-to-head matchups with St. Louis -- the team the Cubs must beat if they're going to be contenders -- but it can't be fully judged after only two outings in a span of four days.
Zambrano did a nice job talking about his feelings before the game Monday. He's right in saying that a willingness to make the transition shows he's a team player. If he can sustain that willingness -- something that shouldn't be that difficult for all of 2010, as it's the middle year on a guaranteed five-year contract, and thus of little long-term financial impact -- it could be huge.
Zambrano as a starter was never a leader. Zambrano as a reliever could become a leader. Who saw that coming?
Maybe Jim Hendry. Maybe Larry Rothschild. Maybe Greg Maddux. Maybe Piniella. And almost nobody else, including Zambrano.
What's your take, CFiHP?
R-V, why did you take out the good stuff? Like the bit where Phil Rogers congratulated himself on coming up with the idea for a Crosstown Trophy (And call it the Elwood Blues Cup-- so CLEVER!), or the real gem in which Alex Rios and John Danks along with a bunch of White Sox "prospects" would be an attractive centerpiece for the Brewers to deal them Prince Fielder.
I think the Desipio database can only hold 10.2 jigabytes of stupidity. I was afraid of crashing the site and depriving everyone of the ability to read the riveting Kurt Evans brouhaha.
Racist.
Quote from: Oleg on April 27, 2010, 01:13:08 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 27, 2010, 01:02:08 PM
Quote from: Brownie on April 27, 2010, 12:42:41 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 27, 2010, 12:30:05 PM
There's really not any one line here (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/04/your-morning-phil-12.html)that's any less stupid than the rest so I guess I'll just have to quote the whole thing.
Quote1. Carlos Zambrano sure looked good working out of the bullpen Monday night. Let's not get too excited just yet, but if his arm holds up it's hard to see why Lou Piniella ever would let him out of that role.
Without Zambrano's 1 2-3 innings, the Cubs probably don't get that 10-inning win over Washington. They've been a different team since Piniella announced that Zambrano was going into the bullpen to fill the team's void from the right side, winning five of six games to reach .500 after opening the season 5-9, and just may have taken a radical action that produces amazing results.
Lots of people, present company included, weren't wild about the move when Piniella announced it last Wednesday. But Zambrano's 93- and 94-mph fastballs worked awfully well in front of Carlos Marmol's mesmerizing combination of fastballs and sliders against the Washington Nationals. It was also important for Piniella that Zambrano could be extended beyond one inning, which should be the case on something of a regular basis.
Let's see how well Zambrano holds up physically and emotionally to working as a set-up man. If he can handle it in both areas, and if the starting rotation remains solid enough that he's not missed in his usual role, then the Cubs could go from having the worst bullpen in baseball to one that's above average -- with lefties Sean Marshall and John Grabow joining Zambrano and Marmol in working the last three innings.
This could be an advantage for the Cubs in head-to-head matchups with St. Louis -- the team the Cubs must beat if they're going to be contenders -- but it can't be fully judged after only two outings in a span of four days.
Zambrano did a nice job talking about his feelings before the game Monday. He's right in saying that a willingness to make the transition shows he's a team player. If he can sustain that willingness -- something that shouldn't be that difficult for all of 2010, as it's the middle year on a guaranteed five-year contract, and thus of little long-term financial impact -- it could be huge.
Zambrano as a starter was never a leader. Zambrano as a reliever could become a leader. Who saw that coming?
Maybe Jim Hendry. Maybe Larry Rothschild. Maybe Greg Maddux. Maybe Piniella. And almost nobody else, including Zambrano.
What's your take, CFiHP?
R-V, why did you take out the good stuff? Like the bit where Phil Rogers congratulated himself on coming up with the idea for a Crosstown Trophy (And call it the Elwood Blues Cup-- so CLEVER!), or the real gem in which Alex Rios and John Danks along with a bunch of White Sox "prospects" would be an attractive centerpiece for the Brewers to deal them Prince Fielder.
I think the Desipio database can only hold 10.2 jigabytes of stupidity. I was afraid of crashing the site and depriving everyone of the ability to read the riveting Kurt Evans brouhaha.
That can't be right. I'm sure we've exceeded that capacity long ago.
You'd be amazed how much current stupidity compression can be done with very little loss.
Quote from: Oleg on April 27, 2010, 01:13:08 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 27, 2010, 01:02:08 PM
Quote from: Brownie on April 27, 2010, 12:42:41 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 27, 2010, 12:30:05 PM
There's really not any one line here (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/04/your-morning-phil-12.html)that's any less stupid than the rest so I guess I'll just have to quote the whole thing.
Quote1. Carlos Zambrano sure looked good working out of the bullpen Monday night. Let's not get too excited just yet, but if his arm holds up it's hard to see why Lou Piniella ever would let him out of that role.
Without Zambrano's 1 2-3 innings, the Cubs probably don't get that 10-inning win over Washington. They've been a different team since Piniella announced that Zambrano was going into the bullpen to fill the team's void from the right side, winning five of six games to reach .500 after opening the season 5-9, and just may have taken a radical action that produces amazing results.
Lots of people, present company included, weren't wild about the move when Piniella announced it last Wednesday. But Zambrano's 93- and 94-mph fastballs worked awfully well in front of Carlos Marmol's mesmerizing combination of fastballs and sliders against the Washington Nationals. It was also important for Piniella that Zambrano could be extended beyond one inning, which should be the case on something of a regular basis.
Let's see how well Zambrano holds up physically and emotionally to working as a set-up man. If he can handle it in both areas, and if the starting rotation remains solid enough that he's not missed in his usual role, then the Cubs could go from having the worst bullpen in baseball to one that's above average -- with lefties Sean Marshall and John Grabow joining Zambrano and Marmol in working the last three innings.
This could be an advantage for the Cubs in head-to-head matchups with St. Louis -- the team the Cubs must beat if they're going to be contenders -- but it can't be fully judged after only two outings in a span of four days.
Zambrano did a nice job talking about his feelings before the game Monday. He's right in saying that a willingness to make the transition shows he's a team player. If he can sustain that willingness -- something that shouldn't be that difficult for all of 2010, as it's the middle year on a guaranteed five-year contract, and thus of little long-term financial impact -- it could be huge.
Zambrano as a starter was never a leader. Zambrano as a reliever could become a leader. Who saw that coming?
Maybe Jim Hendry. Maybe Larry Rothschild. Maybe Greg Maddux. Maybe Piniella. And almost nobody else, including Zambrano.
What's your take, CFiHP?
R-V, why did you take out the good stuff? Like the bit where Phil Rogers congratulated himself on coming up with the idea for a Crosstown Trophy (And call it the Elwood Blues Cup-- so CLEVER!), or the real gem in which Alex Rios and John Danks along with a bunch of White Sox "prospects" would be an attractive centerpiece for the Brewers to deal them Prince Fielder.
I think the Desipio database can only hold 10.2 jigabytes of stupidity. I was afraid of crashing the site and depriving everyone of the ability to read the riveting Kurt Evans brouhaha.
That can't be right. I'm sure we've exceeded that capacity long ago.
Are you stating that we're all a bunch of morans?
That's it. I'm suing Dolan!
Quote from: Bort on April 27, 2010, 01:15:11 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 27, 2010, 01:13:08 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 27, 2010, 01:02:08 PM
Quote from: Brownie on April 27, 2010, 12:42:41 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 27, 2010, 12:30:05 PM
There's really not any one line here (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/04/your-morning-phil-12.html)that's any less stupid than the rest so I guess I'll just have to quote the whole thing.
Quote1. Carlos Zambrano sure looked good working out of the bullpen Monday night. Let's not get too excited just yet, but if his arm holds up it's hard to see why Lou Piniella ever would let him out of that role.
Without Zambrano's 1 2-3 innings, the Cubs probably don't get that 10-inning win over Washington. They've been a different team since Piniella announced that Zambrano was going into the bullpen to fill the team's void from the right side, winning five of six games to reach .500 after opening the season 5-9, and just may have taken a radical action that produces amazing results.
Lots of people, present company included, weren't wild about the move when Piniella announced it last Wednesday. But Zambrano's 93- and 94-mph fastballs worked awfully well in front of Carlos Marmol's mesmerizing combination of fastballs and sliders against the Washington Nationals. It was also important for Piniella that Zambrano could be extended beyond one inning, which should be the case on something of a regular basis.
Let's see how well Zambrano holds up physically and emotionally to working as a set-up man. If he can handle it in both areas, and if the starting rotation remains solid enough that he's not missed in his usual role, then the Cubs could go from having the worst bullpen in baseball to one that's above average -- with lefties Sean Marshall and John Grabow joining Zambrano and Marmol in working the last three innings.
This could be an advantage for the Cubs in head-to-head matchups with St. Louis -- the team the Cubs must beat if they're going to be contenders -- but it can't be fully judged after only two outings in a span of four days.
Zambrano did a nice job talking about his feelings before the game Monday. He's right in saying that a willingness to make the transition shows he's a team player. If he can sustain that willingness -- something that shouldn't be that difficult for all of 2010, as it's the middle year on a guaranteed five-year contract, and thus of little long-term financial impact -- it could be huge.
Zambrano as a starter was never a leader. Zambrano as a reliever could become a leader. Who saw that coming?
Maybe Jim Hendry. Maybe Larry Rothschild. Maybe Greg Maddux. Maybe Piniella. And almost nobody else, including Zambrano.
What's your take, CFiHP?
R-V, why did you take out the good stuff? Like the bit where Phil Rogers congratulated himself on coming up with the idea for a Crosstown Trophy (And call it the Elwood Blues Cup-- so CLEVER!), or the real gem in which Alex Rios and John Danks along with a bunch of White Sox "prospects" would be an attractive centerpiece for the Brewers to deal them Prince Fielder.
I think the Desipio database can only hold 10.2 jigabytes of stupidity. I was afraid of crashing the site and depriving everyone of the ability to read the riveting Kurt Evans brouhaha.
That can't be right. I'm sure we've exceeded that capacity long ago.
You'd be amazed how much current stupidity compression can be done with very little loss.
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Quote from: Bort on April 27, 2010, 01:15:11 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 27, 2010, 01:13:08 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 27, 2010, 01:02:08 PM
Quote from: Brownie on April 27, 2010, 12:42:41 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 27, 2010, 12:30:05 PM
There's really not any one line here (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/04/your-morning-phil-12.html)that's any less stupid than the rest so I guess I'll just have to quote the whole thing.
Quote1. Carlos Zambrano sure looked good working out of the bullpen Monday night. Let's not get too excited just yet, but if his arm holds up it's hard to see why Lou Piniella ever would let him out of that role.
Without Zambrano's 1 2-3 innings, the Cubs probably don't get that 10-inning win over Washington. They've been a different team since Piniella announced that Zambrano was going into the bullpen to fill the team's void from the right side, winning five of six games to reach .500 after opening the season 5-9, and just may have taken a radical action that produces amazing results.
Lots of people, present company included, weren't wild about the move when Piniella announced it last Wednesday. But Zambrano's 93- and 94-mph fastballs worked awfully well in front of Carlos Marmol's mesmerizing combination of fastballs and sliders against the Washington Nationals. It was also important for Piniella that Zambrano could be extended beyond one inning, which should be the case on something of a regular basis.
Let's see how well Zambrano holds up physically and emotionally to working as a set-up man. If he can handle it in both areas, and if the starting rotation remains solid enough that he's not missed in his usual role, then the Cubs could go from having the worst bullpen in baseball to one that's above average -- with lefties Sean Marshall and John Grabow joining Zambrano and Marmol in working the last three innings.
This could be an advantage for the Cubs in head-to-head matchups with St. Louis -- the team the Cubs must beat if they're going to be contenders -- but it can't be fully judged after only two outings in a span of four days.
Zambrano did a nice job talking about his feelings before the game Monday. He's right in saying that a willingness to make the transition shows he's a team player. If he can sustain that willingness -- something that shouldn't be that difficult for all of 2010, as it's the middle year on a guaranteed five-year contract, and thus of little long-term financial impact -- it could be huge.
Zambrano as a starter was never a leader. Zambrano as a reliever could become a leader. Who saw that coming?
Maybe Jim Hendry. Maybe Larry Rothschild. Maybe Greg Maddux. Maybe Piniella. And almost nobody else, including Zambrano.
What's your take, CFiHP?
R-V, why did you take out the good stuff? Like the bit where Phil Rogers congratulated himself on coming up with the idea for a Crosstown Trophy (And call it the Elwood Blues Cup-- so CLEVER!), or the real gem in which Alex Rios and John Danks along with a bunch of White Sox "prospects" would be an attractive centerpiece for the Brewers to deal them Prince Fielder.
I think the Desipio database can only hold 10.2 jigabytes of stupidity. I was afraid of crashing the site and depriving everyone of the ability to read the riveting Kurt Evans brouhaha.
That can't be right. I'm sure we've exceeded that capacity long ago.
You'd be amazed how much current stupidity compression can be done with very little loss.
That's called data deduplication. It's a way for storage systems to store only one copy of teh bits that make up the data, instead of an individual copy of each bit. So, if we e-mail a pdf to 100 people, the Exchange database will only store one copy of the pdf.
Of course that just means we keep saying the same stupid thing over and over.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on April 27, 2010, 01:17:39 PM
Quote from: Bort on April 27, 2010, 01:15:11 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 27, 2010, 01:13:08 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 27, 2010, 01:02:08 PM
Quote from: Brownie on April 27, 2010, 12:42:41 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 27, 2010, 12:30:05 PM
There's really not any one line here (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/04/your-morning-phil-12.html)that's any less stupid than the rest so I guess I'll just have to quote the whole thing.
Quote1. Carlos Zambrano sure looked good working out of the bullpen Monday night. Let's not get too excited just yet, but if his arm holds up it's hard to see why Lou Piniella ever would let him out of that role.
Without Zambrano's 1 2-3 innings, the Cubs probably don't get that 10-inning win over Washington. They've been a different team since Piniella announced that Zambrano was going into the bullpen to fill the team's void from the right side, winning five of six games to reach .500 after opening the season 5-9, and just may have taken a radical action that produces amazing results.
Lots of people, present company included, weren't wild about the move when Piniella announced it last Wednesday. But Zambrano's 93- and 94-mph fastballs worked awfully well in front of Carlos Marmol's mesmerizing combination of fastballs and sliders against the Washington Nationals. It was also important for Piniella that Zambrano could be extended beyond one inning, which should be the case on something of a regular basis.
Let's see how well Zambrano holds up physically and emotionally to working as a set-up man. If he can handle it in both areas, and if the starting rotation remains solid enough that he's not missed in his usual role, then the Cubs could go from having the worst bullpen in baseball to one that's above average -- with lefties Sean Marshall and John Grabow joining Zambrano and Marmol in working the last three innings.
This could be an advantage for the Cubs in head-to-head matchups with St. Louis -- the team the Cubs must beat if they're going to be contenders -- but it can't be fully judged after only two outings in a span of four days.
Zambrano did a nice job talking about his feelings before the game Monday. He's right in saying that a willingness to make the transition shows he's a team player. If he can sustain that willingness -- something that shouldn't be that difficult for all of 2010, as it's the middle year on a guaranteed five-year contract, and thus of little long-term financial impact -- it could be huge.
Zambrano as a starter was never a leader. Zambrano as a reliever could become a leader. Who saw that coming?
Maybe Jim Hendry. Maybe Larry Rothschild. Maybe Greg Maddux. Maybe Piniella. And almost nobody else, including Zambrano.
What's your take, CFiHP?
R-V, why did you take out the good stuff? Like the bit where Phil Rogers congratulated himself on coming up with the idea for a Crosstown Trophy (And call it the Elwood Blues Cup-- so CLEVER!), or the real gem in which Alex Rios and John Danks along with a bunch of White Sox "prospects" would be an attractive centerpiece for the Brewers to deal them Prince Fielder.
I think the Desipio database can only hold 10.2 jigabytes of stupidity. I was afraid of crashing the site and depriving everyone of the ability to read the riveting Kurt Evans brouhaha.
That can't be right. I'm sure we've exceeded that capacity long ago.
You'd be amazed how much current stupidity compression can be done with very little loss.
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Giga what? Giga who?
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Quote from: R-V on April 27, 2010, 12:30:05 PM
There's really not any one line here (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/04/your-morning-phil-12.html)that's any less stupid than the rest so I guess I'll just have to quote the whole thing.
Quote1. Carlos Zambrano sure looked good working out of the bullpen Monday night. Let's not get too excited just yet, but if his arm holds up it's hard to see why Lou Piniella ever would let him out of that role.
Without Zambrano's 1 2-3 innings, the Cubs probably don't get that 10-inning win over Washington. They've been a different team since Piniella announced that Zambrano was going into the bullpen to fill the team's void from the right side, winning five of six games to reach .500 after opening the season 5-9, and just may have taken a radical action that produces amazing results.
Lots of people, present company included, weren't wild about the move when Piniella announced it last Wednesday. But Zambrano's 93- and 94-mph fastballs worked awfully well in front of Carlos Marmol's mesmerizing combination of fastballs and sliders against the Washington Nationals. It was also important for Piniella that Zambrano could be extended beyond one inning, which should be the case on something of a regular basis.
Let's see how well Zambrano holds up physically and emotionally to working as a set-up man. If he can handle it in both areas, and if the starting rotation remains solid enough that he's not missed in his usual role, then the Cubs could go from having the worst bullpen in baseball to one that's above average -- with lefties Sean Marshall and John Grabow joining Zambrano and Marmol in working the last three innings.
This could be an advantage for the Cubs in head-to-head matchups with St. Louis -- the team the Cubs must beat if they're going to be contenders -- but it can't be fully judged after only two outings in a span of four days.
Zambrano did a nice job talking about his feelings before the game Monday. He's right in saying that a willingness to make the transition shows he's a team player. If he can sustain that willingness -- something that shouldn't be that difficult for all of 2010, as it's the middle year on a guaranteed five-year contract, and thus of little long-term financial impact -- it could be huge.
Zambrano as a starter was never a leader. Zambrano as a reliever could become a leader. Who saw that coming?
Maybe Jim Hendry. Maybe Larry Rothschild. Maybe Greg Maddux. Maybe Piniella. And almost nobody else, including Zambrano.
What's your take, CFiHP?
R-V, why did you take out the good stuff? Like the bit where Phil Rogers congratulated himself on coming up with the idea for a Crosstown Trophy (And call it the Elwood Blues Cup-- so CLEVER!), or the real gem in which Alex Rios and John Danks along with a bunch of White Sox "prospects" would be an attractive centerpiece for the Brewers to deal them Prince Fielder.
I think the Desipio database can only hold 10.2 jigabytes of stupidity. I was afraid of crashing the site and depriving everyone of the ability to read the riveting Kurt Evans brouhaha.
That can't be right. I'm sure we've exceeded that capacity long ago.
You'd be amazed how much current stupidity compression can be done with very little loss.
That's called data deduplication. It's a way for storage systems to store only one copy of teh bits that make up the data, instead of an individual copy of each bit. So, if we e-mail a pdf to 100 people, the Exchange database will only store one copy of the pdf.
Of course that just means we keep saying the same stupid thing over and over.
Which explains why their is so little variation on the posts in the Clusterfuck threads.
Quote from: R-V on April 27, 2010, 12:30:05 PM
There's really not any one line here (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/04/your-morning-phil-12.html)that's any less stupid than the rest so I guess I'll just have to quote the whole thing.
Quote1. Carlos Zambrano sure looked good working out of the bullpen Monday night. Let's not get too excited just yet, but if his arm holds up it's hard to see why Lou Piniella ever would let him out of that role.
Without Zambrano's 1 2-3 innings, the Cubs probably don't get that 10-inning win over Washington. They've been a different team since Piniella announced that Zambrano was going into the bullpen to fill the team's void from the right side, winning five of six games to reach .500 after opening the season 5-9, and just may have taken a radical action that produces amazing results.
Lots of people, present company included, weren't wild about the move when Piniella announced it last Wednesday. But Zambrano's 93- and 94-mph fastballs worked awfully well in front of Carlos Marmol's mesmerizing combination of fastballs and sliders against the Washington Nationals. It was also important for Piniella that Zambrano could be extended beyond one inning, which should be the case on something of a regular basis.
Let's see how well Zambrano holds up physically and emotionally to working as a set-up man. If he can handle it in both areas, and if the starting rotation remains solid enough that he's not missed in his usual role, then the Cubs could go from having the worst bullpen in baseball to one that's above average -- with lefties Sean Marshall and John Grabow joining Zambrano and Marmol in working the last three innings.
This could be an advantage for the Cubs in head-to-head matchups with St. Louis -- the team the Cubs must beat if they're going to be contenders -- but it can't be fully judged after only two outings in a span of four days.
Zambrano did a nice job talking about his feelings before the game Monday. He's right in saying that a willingness to make the transition shows he's a team player. If he can sustain that willingness -- something that shouldn't be that difficult for all of 2010, as it's the middle year on a guaranteed five-year contract, and thus of little long-term financial impact -- it could be huge.
Zambrano as a starter was never a leader. Zambrano as a reliever could become a leader. Who saw that coming?
Maybe Jim Hendry. Maybe Larry Rothschild. Maybe Greg Maddux. Maybe Piniella. And almost nobody else, including Zambrano.
What's your take, CFiHP?
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Papers are coming in the morning. But Andy's uncle got me to see the error of my ways. Kinda. I just wish I were better at math.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 02:10:25 PM
Halladay is in a world all by himself as far as SP's go these days. I'd be surprised, but not shocked, if he threatened 30 wins this season.
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Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 02:10:25 PM
Halladay is in a world all by himself as far as SP's go these days. I'd be surprised, but not shocked, if he threatened 30 wins this season.
http://www.versus.com/shows/the-daily-line/
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An 8% probability occurring is still within my realm of surprised...you need to get to a one or two-outer on the river to get shocked out of me.
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Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on May 06, 2010, 10:10:59 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 02:10:25 PM
Halladay is in a world all by himself as far as SP's go these days. I'd be surprised, but not shocked, if he threatened 30 wins this season.
http://www.versus.com/shows/the-daily-line/
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An 8% probability occurring is still within my realm of surprised...you need to get to a one or two-outer on the river to get shocked out of me.
I don't think you understand how this "probability" thing works.
So, it's been, what, 19 days since they sent him to the pen? And Z has pitched in 4 games for 5 innings. In that same time, Jeff Gray has logged 6.1 innings, Grabow has 7.0 innings, Justin Berg has had 7.2 innings, and James Russell has 5 innings. So, Zambrano has pitched fewer innings than 3 other relievers and same as the other. Now, I realize 2 of those guys have done well, at least according to their ERA (and not looking at other things), but it is fucking ridiculous that they haven't gotten Z in there for more innings. I also know he's their setup guy so his role is supposed to be 8th inning of close games, which I know they haven't had lately. However, the point remains that the Cubs have allowed at least their 2nd or 3rd best pitcher to only pitch 5 innings in 19 days when, if he had been starting, he would be making his 4 start tomorrow and have 23-27 innings pitched. This is like sabotaging the team. The whole thing of "Let's win now" completely conflicts this move.
Quote from: Yeti on May 08, 2010, 06:35:43 PM
So, it's been, what, 19 days since they sent him to the pen? And Z has pitched in 4 games for 5 innings. In that same time, Jeff Gray has logged 6.1 innings, Grabow has 7.0 innings, Justin Berg has had 7.2 innings, and James Russell has 5 innings. So, Zambrano has pitched fewer innings than 3 other relievers and same as the other. Now, I realize 2 of those guys have done well, at least according to their ERA (and not looking at other things), but it is fucking ridiculous that they haven't gotten Z in there for more innings. I also know he's their setup guy so his role is supposed to be 8th inning of close games, which I know they haven't had lately. However, the point remains that the Cubs have allowed at least their 2nd or 3rd best pitcher to only pitch 5 innings in 19 days when, if he had been starting, he would be making his 4 start tomorrow and have 23-27 innings pitched. This is like sabotaging the team. The whole thing of "Let's win now" completely conflicts this move.
It's been far too long. That's all we got? Five goddamn innings?
Time to declare this a flop, move Gorzelanny to the bullpen (or Iowa) and put Z back in the rotation.
Quote from: Brownie on May 08, 2010, 08:34:21 PM
Quote from: Yeti on May 08, 2010, 06:35:43 PM
So, it's been, what, 19 days since they sent him to the pen? And Z has pitched in 4 games for 5 innings. In that same time, Jeff Gray has logged 6.1 innings, Grabow has 7.0 innings, Justin Berg has had 7.2 innings, and James Russell has 5 innings. So, Zambrano has pitched fewer innings than 3 other relievers and same as the other. Now, I realize 2 of those guys have done well, at least according to their ERA (and not looking at other things), but it is fucking ridiculous that they haven't gotten Z in there for more innings. I also know he's their setup guy so his role is supposed to be 8th inning of close games, which I know they haven't had lately. However, the point remains that the Cubs have allowed at least their 2nd or 3rd best pitcher to only pitch 5 innings in 19 days when, if he had been starting, he would be making his 4 start tomorrow and have 23-27 innings pitched. This is like sabotaging the team. The whole thing of "Let's win now" completely conflicts this move.
It's been far too long. That's all we got? Five goddamn innings?
Time to declare this a flop, move Gorzelanny to the bullpen (or Iowa) and put Z back in the rotation.
I'd much rather see Silva booted. He's starting to fall apart.
This particular appearance is working out really nicely.
Quote from: Slaky on May 08, 2010, 08:49:57 PM
This particular appearance is working out really nicely.
Due to the generosity of the middle infield and the home plate ump the Reds received three extra outs that inning. Awesome.
He'd probably get to pitch more if they were in more games in the eighth inning.
He'd also probably get to pitch more IF HE WERE FUCKING STARTING!
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 10, 2010, 07:50:55 AM
He'd also probably get to pitch more IF HE WERE FUCKING STARTING!
THI!
Hold that thought... (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=MLB&id=3106)
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Carlos Zambrano was sent to a local hospital Wednesday afternoon with appendicitis-like symptoms.
Zambrano was not available for Wednesday's game against the Dodgers and an appendectomy, unfortunately, could force him to miss a month. Big Z was scheduled to return to the Cubs' rotation against the Pirates next week.
Quote from: PenPho on May 27, 2010, 05:03:19 PM
Hold that thought... (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=MLB&id=3106)
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Carlos Zambrano was sent to a local hospital Wednesday afternoon with appendicitis-like symptoms.
Zambrano was not available for Wednesday's game against the Dodgers and an appendectomy, unfortunately, could force him to miss a month. Big Z was scheduled to return to the Cubs' rotation against the Pirates next week.
Good news? (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=MLB&line=291695&id=3106)
"According to MLB.com's Carrie Muskat, tests on Carlos Zambrano's lower right side Thursday came up negative for appendicitis.
There's still something wrong with his abdominal region, but for now it sounds like he will not require surgery. Zambrano is still tentatively scheduled to rejoin the Cubs' starting rotation next week against the Pirates."
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
Why is Z so determined to making me feel so bad for defending him?
Quote from: Night Man on June 25, 2010, 03:33:16 PM
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
You know, Z had value gathering a head of steam out of the pen and destroying someone in the event of a bench-clearing brawl...
So nice of the Cubs to contribute to the White Sox run to contention. The two teams were only one game apart in the loss column when the previous series started...now...
Back to the College World Series. Pingball is still kinda fun to watch.
Wait a minute... I just heard on the radio that he got suspended? My comment a minute ago was a result of me just checking his line for the game. What the hell did he do?
Quote from: Yeti on June 25, 2010, 06:51:19 PM
Wait a minute... I just heard on the radio that he got suspended? My comment a minute ago was a result of me just checking his line for the game. What the hell did he do?
What did you think FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT meant? The first inning started with a grounder down the line that Lee couldn't get, a double for Juan Pierre. Zambrano proceeded to give up four runs, including a meatball of a breaking ball to the great Carlos Quentin. So when Zambrano returned to the dugout, he was screaming, and he knew whose fault it was.
Derrek Lee.
Since Lee didn't magically come up with that slapdick Pierre's lucky grounder down the line, those four runs and the three-run bomb were all his fault. Zambrano was in Lee's face, screaming at him, and they had to be separated. According to Steve Stone, Lou took them down into the clubhouse to give them a talkin' to. Gorzelanny started warming up. Zambrano came back up to the dugout, then was told he's being taken out. Somewhere in there he destroyed a Gatorade cooler, according to Muskrat. So now he's indefinitely suspended and the Cubs will once again erase any trade value he might've had through the media before dealing him and eating almost all of his salary for some underwhelming talent. Hooray.
Edit for video. (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100625&content_id=11567858&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)
Quote from: Night Man on June 25, 2010, 06:59:46 PM
Quote from: Yeti on June 25, 2010, 06:51:19 PM
Wait a minute... I just heard on the radio that he got suspended? My comment a minute ago was a result of me just checking his line for the game. What the hell did he do?
What did you think FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT meant? The first inning started with a grounder down the line that Lee couldn't get, a double for Juan Pierre. Zambrano proceeded to give up four runs, including a meatball of a breaking ball to the great Carlos Quentin. So when Zambrano returned to the dugout, he was screaming, and he knew whose fault it was.
Derrek Lee.
It's unclear to me that it wasn't a general frenzy with Lee's vector simply being to tell Zambrano to plug the miasma.
Hmmmm. I wasn't sure why you said it. I just kind of moved past it. After I thought about it I Rosendouched it and figured out what you meant. Just watched the video. I'm really sad. Unless this results in lee getting traded and the Cubs coming back to win the central, Z may have lost me as a fan.
Quote from: Yeti on June 25, 2010, 07:32:10 PM
Hmmmm. I wasn't sure why you said it. I just kind of moved past it. After I thought about it I Rosendouched it and figured out what you meant. Just watched the video. I'm really sad. Unless this results in lee getting traded and the Cubs coming back to win the central, Z may have lost me as a fan.
Unless this makes Lee come alive and win the MVP on the way to a World Series title, in which case Z is my favorite Cub ever.
Another angle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzNQkmpo2g4). This seems to be nothing that 20 mg of DOM and a lot of hand-holding and chanting couldn't repress.
Quote from: Wheezer on June 25, 2010, 07:17:52 PM
It's unclear to me that it wasn't a general frenzy with Lee's vector simply being to tell Zambrano to plug the miasma.
You are I are suffering from the same lack of clarity.
There has to be more that occurred in the clubhouse out of sight to call for this "suspension". At least I think so. I can only hope that Jim Hendry learned something from the Bradley thing last year...that indefinitely suspending people has a shitload of negative trade symptoms.
I just got home, had no idea what happened today, and you know what? Fuck this, I'm watching Lebowski.
It seems that there's only one player on the team who hates the gutless assholes as much as we do. At least openly. Why are we mad at Z for calling the rest of these fuckers out? Because he sucks? Oh.
Quote from: MAD on June 25, 2010, 10:07:21 PM
I just got home, had no idea what happened today, and you know what? Fuck this, I'm watching Lebowski.
Good call. I should do that every day for the rest of the season.
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on June 26, 2010, 12:19:37 AM
Quote from: MAD on June 25, 2010, 10:07:21 PM
I just got home, had no idea what happened today, and you know what? Fuck this, I'm watching Lebowski.
Good call. I should do that every day for the rest of the season.
It's better every time I watch it. G'night.
Quote from: MAD on June 26, 2010, 12:35:26 AM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on June 26, 2010, 12:19:37 AM
Quote from: MAD on June 25, 2010, 10:07:21 PM
I just got home, had no idea what happened today, and you know what? Fuck this, I'm watching Lebowski.
Good call. I should do that every day for the rest of the season.
It's better every time I watch it. G'night.
And, the goddamned Cubs' season gets less gutless every time you don't watch it.
AL WAS RIGHT!!!
Can anybody else wait for his "I told you guys so!" speech? I'm sure it's going to be great.
I still support Zambrano in every thing he does. Because I hate this team.
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on June 26, 2010, 12:19:37 AM
Quote from: MAD on June 25, 2010, 10:07:21 PM
I just got home, had no idea what happened today, and you know what? Fuck this, I'm watching Lebowski.
Good call. I should do that every day for the rest of the season.
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Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on June 26, 2010, 12:19:37 AM
Quote from: MAD on June 25, 2010, 10:07:21 PM
I just got home, had no idea what happened today, and you know what? Fuck this, I'm watching Lebowski.
Good call. I should do that every day for the rest of the season.
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A million times yes.
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 26, 2010, 12:17:29 PM
I still support Zambrano in every thing he does. Because I hate this team.
I support
Julie Apex.
Quote from: powen01 on June 26, 2010, 11:52:14 AM
AL WAS RIGHT!!!
Can anybody else wait for his "I told you guys so!" speech? I'm sure it's going to be great.
The dénouement looks to be protracted (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5331982).
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 26, 2010, 12:17:29 PM
I still support Zambrano in every thing he does. Because I hate this team.
I would have supported him if he somehow locked everyone in the dugout and lit that fucking thing on fire while standing at a safe distance cackling maniacally. He didn't go far enough. So fuck him, too.
Seriously, fuck everyone and everything ever associated with this god damned franchise.
I'd wish for the team to be dissolved and replaced with the old Federal League Whales, but those assholes built Wrigley Field, so fuck them too.
Quote from: Wheezer on June 26, 2010, 06:27:36 PM
Quote from: powen01 on June 26, 2010, 11:52:14 AM
AL WAS RIGHT!!!
Can anybody else wait for his "I told you guys so!" speech? I'm sure it's going to be great.
The dénouement looks to be protracted (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5331982).
Well this will certainly end well.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on June 26, 2010, 10:44:13 PM
Quote from: Wheezer on June 26, 2010, 06:27:36 PM
Quote from: powen01 on June 26, 2010, 11:52:14 AM
AL WAS RIGHT!!!
Can anybody else wait for his "I told you guys so!" speech? I'm sure it's going to be great.
The dénouement looks to be protracted (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5331982).
Well this will certainly end well.
No it won...oh, I swee what you did there.
What the fuck, Carlos? I've shirtless hugged you from afar for all these years. But even I can't tolerate that hooplehead horseshit you pulled on Friday.
I hate this fucking team.
Upon further review, it appears that he was just yelling in general because he was so pissed and Lee just happened to be the one who piped up to tell him to relax and Z wasn't having it. I don't think he was blaming Lee for that inning. I'm going to try to not hate him for this. I feel like a scorned lover. I've defending him so much over the years, hell, there is a thread where I try to take down some local faggot for his Z hatred. He goes out and kicks ass in his next start and then he pulls this shit. Why must you hate me so, Carlos? Why?
I feel like repeating what Borb said, Z may have been acting like an immature fucktard, but damnit, he looks like he's the only one who cares out there right now. Aramis certainly looks like he's checked out for the season.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 27, 2010, 10:28:54 PM
I feel like repeating what Borb said, Z may have been acting like an immature fucktard, but damnit, he looks like he's the only one who cares out there right now. Aramis certainly looks like he's checked out for the season.
That sounds nice but it doesn't really take into account the situation. I'd be fine with Z blowing up over guys not going all out in the field if that was what actually happened. But to go out and give up fucking rockets out there and then seemingly blame your fielders for not being able to get to them, well that just looks like shit.
Quote from: CT III on June 27, 2010, 10:33:16 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 27, 2010, 10:28:54 PM
I feel like repeating what Borb said, Z may have been acting like an immature fucktard, but damnit, he looks like he's the only one who cares out there right now. Aramis certainly looks like he's checked out for the season.
That sounds nice but it doesn't really take into account the situation. I'd be fine with Z blowing up over guys not going all out in the field if that was what actually happened. But to go out and give up fucking rockets out there and then seemingly blame your fielders for not being able to get to them, well that just looks like shit.
Watching the cubs try to dump a guy making as much as Z with a no trade clause is going to be a major clusterfuck.
And since Silva actually worked out for a half season, I'm just waiting for all the articles about how the cubs can turn this into a positive like when they got rid of bradley and get back into the race. Yay.
Quote from: CT III on June 27, 2010, 10:33:16 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 27, 2010, 10:28:54 PM
I feel like repeating what Borb said, Z may have been acting like an immature fucktard, but damnit, he looks like he's the only one who cares out there right now. Aramis certainly looks like he's checked out for the season.
That sounds nice but it doesn't really take into account the situation. I'd be fine with Z blowing up over guys not going all out in the field if that was what actually happened. But to go out and give up fucking rockets out there and then seemingly blame your fielders for not being able to get to them, well that just looks like shit.
No, that's certainly right, and I agree with you; there was no way Lee was going to get that shot down the line, nor did he throw the gopher ball to Quentin with 2 strikes. However, most of the team looked like gutless slapdicks this weekend.
Aren't we again veering into meathead territory with the "look like they care" stuff? Winning teams look like they care. Losing teams don't. Is the reason that half the team is underachieving due to apathy? Or something else? I'm voting on something else.
Just my thoughts.
Quote from: Slaky on June 28, 2010, 09:29:39 AM
Aren't we again veering into meathead territory with the "look like they care" stuff? Winning teams look like they care. Losing teams don't. Is the reason that half the team is underachieving due to apathy? Or something else? I'm voting on something else.
Just my thoughts.
I'm toeing the line, but they certainly looked completely dispeptic this weekend. And to be fair, sometimes Aramis looks like he doesn't care when the Cubs are winning, but nevertheless, with the exception of a couple of players (Byrd, Colvin, Castro, et. al.), they looked like October couldn't come fast enough.
Then again, I can't wait for the end of the baseball season either.
Quote from: Slaky on June 28, 2010, 09:29:39 AM
Aren't we again veering into meathead territory with the "look like they care" stuff? Winning teams look like they care. Losing teams don't. Is the reason that half the team is underachieving due to apathy? Or something else? I'm voting on something else.
Just my thoughts.
Dysentery?
Quote from: Slaky on June 28, 2010, 09:29:39 AM
Aren't we again veering into meathead territory with the "look like they care" stuff? Winning teams look like they care. Losing teams don't. Is the reason that half the team is underachieving due to apathy? Or something else? I'm voting on something else.
Just my thoughts.
Agreed. It's the old "flip over a table in the clubhouse to show you care" crap. Even if it does mean you care, it doesn't mean you're going to get better at baseball.
I don't care if Zambrano's rage wasn't initially directed at Lee. The fact that Lee, who I don't think anyone would label a hothead and comes across as a pretty mild-mannered dude (with the exception I guess being him crying about the mean fans booing people), told him to shut the fuck up, might be an indication that the team is sick of Z throwing them under the bus. And let's say Z WAS trying to "fire up" the team...wouldn't you take Lee telling you to shut the fuck up as a clue to maybe, I don't know, shut the fuck up?
Quote from: R-V on June 28, 2010, 09:35:03 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 28, 2010, 09:29:39 AM
Aren't we again veering into meathead territory with the "look like they care" stuff? Winning teams look like they care. Losing teams don't. Is the reason that half the team is underachieving due to apathy? Or something else? I'm voting on something else.
Just my thoughts.
Agreed. It's the old "flip over a table in the clubhouse to show you care" crap. Even if it does mean you care, it doesn't mean you're going to get better at baseball.
I don't care if Zambrano's rage wasn't initially directed at Lee. The fact that Lee, who I don't think anyone would label a hothead and comes across as a pretty mild-mannered dude (with the exception I guess being him crying about the mean fans booing people), told him to shut the fuck up, might be an indication that the team is sick of Z throwing them under the bus. And let's say Z WAS trying to "fire up" the team...wouldn't you take Lee telling you to shut the fuck up as a clue to maybe, I don't know, shut the fuck up?
If that bullshit actually worked, players would get more fired up by Lee yelling than from Zambrano doing it.
Quote from: R-V on June 28, 2010, 09:35:03 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 28, 2010, 09:29:39 AM
Aren't we again veering into meathead territory with the "look like they care" stuff? Winning teams look like they care. Losing teams don't. Is the reason that half the team is underachieving due to apathy? Or something else? I'm voting on something else.
Just my thoughts.
Agreed. It's the old "flip over a table in the clubhouse to show you care" crap. Even if it does mean you care, it doesn't mean you're going to get better at baseball.
I don't care if Zambrano's rage wasn't initially directed at Lee. The fact that Lee, who I don't think anyone would label a hothead and comes across as a pretty mild-mannered dude (with the exception I guess being him crying about the mean fans booing people), told him to shut the fuck up, might be an indication that the team is sick of Z throwing them under the bus. And let's say Z WAS trying to "fire up" the team...wouldn't you take Lee telling you to shut the fuck up as a clue to maybe, I don't know, shut the fuck up?
When? You mean after he didn't lose his shit after his defense shat the bed in Game 2 of the NLDS? Actually, I think he handled that admirably when I think about it. Are you referring to some other time?
Quote from: Yeti on June 28, 2010, 10:05:35 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 28, 2010, 09:35:03 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 28, 2010, 09:29:39 AM
Aren't we again veering into meathead territory with the "look like they care" stuff? Winning teams look like they care. Losing teams don't. Is the reason that half the team is underachieving due to apathy? Or something else? I'm voting on something else.
Just my thoughts.
Agreed. It's the old "flip over a table in the clubhouse to show you care" crap. Even if it does mean you care, it doesn't mean you're going to get better at baseball.
I don't care if Zambrano's rage wasn't initially directed at Lee. The fact that Lee, who I don't think anyone would label a hothead and comes across as a pretty mild-mannered dude (with the exception I guess being him crying about the mean fans booing people), told him to shut the fuck up, might be an indication that the team is sick of Z throwing them under the bus. And let's say Z WAS trying to "fire up" the team...wouldn't you take Lee telling you to shut the fuck up as a clue to maybe, I don't know, shut the fuck up?
When? You mean after he didn't lose his shit after his defense shat the bed in Game 2 of the NLDS? Actually, I think he handled that admirably when I think about it. Are you referring to some other time?
This is definitely not the first time Z has thrown a shitfit when somebody failed to make a play in the field. Obviously he's had a legitimate gripe with his slapdick teammates in most of those cases, but I don't think this was one of them.
Quote from: R-V on June 28, 2010, 10:13:17 AM
Quote from: Yeti on June 28, 2010, 10:05:35 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 28, 2010, 09:35:03 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 28, 2010, 09:29:39 AM
Aren't we again veering into meathead territory with the "look like they care" stuff? Winning teams look like they care. Losing teams don't. Is the reason that half the team is underachieving due to apathy? Or something else? I'm voting on something else.
Just my thoughts.
Agreed. It's the old "flip over a table in the clubhouse to show you care" crap. Even if it does mean you care, it doesn't mean you're going to get better at baseball.
I don't care if Zambrano's rage wasn't initially directed at Lee. The fact that Lee, who I don't think anyone would label a hothead and comes across as a pretty mild-mannered dude (with the exception I guess being him crying about the mean fans booing people), told him to shut the fuck up, might be an indication that the team is sick of Z throwing them under the bus. And let's say Z WAS trying to "fire up" the team...wouldn't you take Lee telling you to shut the fuck up as a clue to maybe, I don't know, shut the fuck up?
When? You mean after he didn't lose his shit after his defense shat the bed in Game 2 of the NLDS? Actually, I think he handled that admirably when I think about it. Are you referring to some other time?
This is definitely not the first time Z has thrown a shitfit when somebody failed to make a play in the field. Obviously he's had a legitimate gripe with his slapdick teammates in most of those cases, but I don't think this was one of them.
Like I said above, I don't think it was about Lee. I think it was a culmination of 3 months of frustation that spewed out. I mean the guy was sent to the fucking bullpen, the team is like 10 games below .500, way out of the division race, and giving up 4 runs in the first inning has the makings of an "L" all over it.
Maybe the Cubs can trade Zambrano for BJ Upton.
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=9422017&query=%26game_pk%3D264927
Quote from: Yeti on June 28, 2010, 10:17:48 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 28, 2010, 10:13:17 AM
Quote from: Yeti on June 28, 2010, 10:05:35 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 28, 2010, 09:35:03 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 28, 2010, 09:29:39 AM
Aren't we again veering into meathead territory with the "look like they care" stuff? Winning teams look like they care. Losing teams don't. Is the reason that half the team is underachieving due to apathy? Or something else? I'm voting on something else.
Just my thoughts.
Agreed. It's the old "flip over a table in the clubhouse to show you care" crap. Even if it does mean you care, it doesn't mean you're going to get better at baseball.
I don't care if Zambrano's rage wasn't initially directed at Lee. The fact that Lee, who I don't think anyone would label a hothead and comes across as a pretty mild-mannered dude (with the exception I guess being him crying about the mean fans booing people), told him to shut the fuck up, might be an indication that the team is sick of Z throwing them under the bus. And let's say Z WAS trying to "fire up" the team...wouldn't you take Lee telling you to shut the fuck up as a clue to maybe, I don't know, shut the fuck up?
When? You mean after he didn't lose his shit after his defense shat the bed in Game 2 of the NLDS? Actually, I think he handled that admirably when I think about it. Are you referring to some other time?
This is definitely not the first time Z has thrown a shitfit when somebody failed to make a play in the field. Obviously he's had a legitimate gripe with his slapdick teammates in most of those cases, but I don't think this was one of them.
Like I said above, I don't think it was about Lee. I think it was a culmination of 3 months of frustation that spewed out. I mean the guy was sent to the fucking bullpen, the team is like 10 games below .500, way out of the division race, and giving up 4 runs in the first inning has the makings of an "L" all over it.
Do you ever stop to question the reason behind your insistence on defending total assholes?
How do you handle Z? Simple. You play him as often as possible. Start him on 3 days rest. Put him out in left (and put Soriano at second) when he's not pitching. Maybe have him play first every once in a while to show Derrek Lee how easy it is. He'll either get hurt (in which case you have a spot on th 60-day DL), get pissed and mope (in which case you bench him and make him the last guy out of the bullpen), or demonstrate value in the field.
Batshit-crazy outfielders that can hit have more trade value than batshit-crazy pitchers who can't get anyone out.
Quote from: Brownie on June 28, 2010, 11:07:45 AM
How do you handle Z? Simple. You play him as often as possible. Start him on 3 days rest. Put him out in left (and put Soriano at second) when he's not pitching. Maybe have him play first every once in a while to show Derrek Lee how easy it is. He'll either get hurt (in which case you have a spot on th 60-day DL), get pissed and mope (in which case you bench him and make him the last guy out of the bullpen), or demonstrate value in the field.
Batshit-crazy outfielders that can hit have more trade value than batshit-crazy pitchers who can't get anyone out.
Z's got a decent arm. Don't waste him at first. How about right field?
Quote from: Kermit IV on June 28, 2010, 11:01:10 AM
Quote from: Yeti on June 28, 2010, 10:17:48 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 28, 2010, 10:13:17 AM
Quote from: Yeti on June 28, 2010, 10:05:35 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 28, 2010, 09:35:03 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 28, 2010, 09:29:39 AM
Aren't we again veering into meathead territory with the "look like they care" stuff? Winning teams look like they care. Losing teams don't. Is the reason that half the team is underachieving due to apathy? Or something else? I'm voting on something else.
Just my thoughts.
Agreed. It's the old "flip over a table in the clubhouse to show you care" crap. Even if it does mean you care, it doesn't mean you're going to get better at baseball.
I don't care if Zambrano's rage wasn't initially directed at Lee. The fact that Lee, who I don't think anyone would label a hothead and comes across as a pretty mild-mannered dude (with the exception I guess being him crying about the mean fans booing people), told him to shut the fuck up, might be an indication that the team is sick of Z throwing them under the bus. And let's say Z WAS trying to "fire up" the team...wouldn't you take Lee telling you to shut the fuck up as a clue to maybe, I don't know, shut the fuck up?
When? You mean after he didn't lose his shit after his defense shat the bed in Game 2 of the NLDS? Actually, I think he handled that admirably when I think about it. Are you referring to some other time?
This is definitely not the first time Z has thrown a shitfit when somebody failed to make a play in the field. Obviously he's had a legitimate gripe with his slapdick teammates in most of those cases, but I don't think this was one of them.
Like I said above, I don't think it was about Lee. I think it was a culmination of 3 months of frustation that spewed out. I mean the guy was sent to the fucking bullpen, the team is like 10 games below .500, way out of the division race, and giving up 4 runs in the first inning has the makings of an "L" all over it.
Do you ever stop to question the reason behind your insistence on defending total assholes?
Not usually, no. I don't think my "Z-love" will reach Milton Bradley levels of idiocy and absurdity, but I don't really think he was calling anyone out in particular. I have an aversion to hating players I once irrationally loved. However, this season has made me inch closer and closer to being on the "TRADE Z" bandwagon. Friday was almost the straw the broke my cameltoed back.
Quote from: Yeti on June 28, 2010, 11:53:56 AM
Quote from: Kermit IV on June 28, 2010, 11:01:10 AM
Quote from: Yeti on June 28, 2010, 10:17:48 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 28, 2010, 10:13:17 AM
Quote from: Yeti on June 28, 2010, 10:05:35 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 28, 2010, 09:35:03 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 28, 2010, 09:29:39 AM
Aren't we again veering into meathead territory with the "look like they care" stuff? Winning teams look like they care. Losing teams don't. Is the reason that half the team is underachieving due to apathy? Or something else? I'm voting on something else.
Just my thoughts.
Agreed. It's the old "flip over a table in the clubhouse to show you care" crap. Even if it does mean you care, it doesn't mean you're going to get better at baseball.
I don't care if Zambrano's rage wasn't initially directed at Lee. The fact that Lee, who I don't think anyone would label a hothead and comes across as a pretty mild-mannered dude (with the exception I guess being him crying about the mean fans booing people), told him to shut the fuck up, might be an indication that the team is sick of Z throwing them under the bus. And let's say Z WAS trying to "fire up" the team...wouldn't you take Lee telling you to shut the fuck up as a clue to maybe, I don't know, shut the fuck up?
When? You mean after he didn't lose his shit after his defense shat the bed in Game 2 of the NLDS? Actually, I think he handled that admirably when I think about it. Are you referring to some other time?
This is definitely not the first time Z has thrown a shitfit when somebody failed to make a play in the field. Obviously he's had a legitimate gripe with his slapdick teammates in most of those cases, but I don't think this was one of them.
Like I said above, I don't think it was about Lee. I think it was a culmination of 3 months of frustation that spewed out. I mean the guy was sent to the fucking bullpen, the team is like 10 games below .500, way out of the division race, and giving up 4 runs in the first inning has the makings of an "L" all over it.
Do you ever stop to question the reason behind your insistence on defending total assholes?
Not usually, no. I don't think my "Z-love" will reach Milton Bradley levels of idiocy and absurdity, but I don't really think he was calling anyone out in particular. I have an aversion to hating players I once irrationally loved. However, this season has made me inch closer and closer to being on the "TRADE Z" bandwagon. Friday was almost the straw the broke my cameltoed back.
I don't care if he was calling out anyone in particular. Carlos only has one person to blame for his shitty performance this season. I had hoped he'd changed when he handled the move to the bullpen relatively gracefully, but he's still the same child he's always been. I sure hope he had a nice dinner with Ozzie on Friday night!
Everyone knows the protocol when you think players are tanking plays for a certain pitcher. Tom Berenger goes to their houses and threatens to cut their nuts off and stuff them down their fucking throats. It's bad form to do it in the dugout.
Quote from: R-V on June 28, 2010, 09:35:03 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 28, 2010, 09:29:39 AM
Aren't we again veering into meathead territory with the "look like they care" stuff? Winning teams look like they care. Losing teams don't. Is the reason that half the team is underachieving due to apathy? Or something else? I'm voting on something else.
Just my thoughts.
Agreed. It's the old "flip over a table in the clubhouse to show you care" crap. Even if it does mean you care, it doesn't mean you're going to get better at baseball.
I don't care if Zambrano's rage wasn't initially directed at Lee. The fact that Lee, who I don't think anyone would label a hothead and comes across as a pretty mild-mannered dude (with the exception I guess being him crying about the mean fans booing people), tried to punch a pitcher in the face, might be an indication that the team is sick of Z throwing them under the bus. And let's say Z WAS trying to "fire up" the team...wouldn't you take Lee telling you to shut the fuck up as a clue to maybe, I don't know, shut the fuck up?
Chris Young'd
Quote from: Brownie on June 28, 2010, 11:07:45 AM
How do you handle Z? Simple. You play him as often as possible. Start him on 3 days rest. Put him out in left (and put Soriano at second) when he's not pitching. Maybe have him play first every once in a while to show Derrek Lee how easy it is. He'll either get hurt (in which case you have a spot on th 60-day DL), get pissed and mope (in which case you bench him and make him the last guy out of the bullpen), or demonstrate value in the field.
Batshit-crazy outfielders that can hit have more trade value than batshit-crazy pitchers who can't get anyone out.
Steve Stone has now taken my idea and promoted as a serious thought. (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/stone-give-big-z-a-look-as-d-lee-replacement.html) Let this be a warning for all you youngsters out there who still think Stone is a brilliant baseball sage.
Quote from: Brownie on June 28, 2010, 02:15:35 PM
Quote from: Brownie on June 28, 2010, 11:07:45 AM
How do you handle Z? Simple. You play him as often as possible. Start him on 3 days rest. Put him out in left (and put Soriano at second) when he's not pitching. Maybe have him play first every once in a while to show Derrek Lee how easy it is. He'll either get hurt (in which case you have a spot on th 60-day DL), get pissed and mope (in which case you bench him and make him the last guy out of the bullpen), or demonstrate value in the field.
Batshit-crazy outfielders that can hit have more trade value than batshit-crazy pitchers who can't get anyone out.
Steve Stone has now taken my idea and promoted as a serious thought. (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/stone-give-big-z-a-look-as-d-lee-replacement.html) Let this be a warning for all you youngsters out there who still think Stone is a brilliant baseball sage.
What Zambrano needs IS A LESSON.
Quote from: Kermit IV on June 28, 2010, 12:28:14 PM
Quote from: Yeti on June 28, 2010, 11:53:56 AM
Quote from: Kermit IV on June 28, 2010, 11:01:10 AM
Quote from: Yeti on June 28, 2010, 10:17:48 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 28, 2010, 10:13:17 AM
Quote from: Yeti on June 28, 2010, 10:05:35 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 28, 2010, 09:35:03 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 28, 2010, 09:29:39 AM
Aren't we again veering into meathead territory with the "look like they care" stuff? Winning teams look like they care. Losing teams don't. Is the reason that half the team is underachieving due to apathy? Or something else? I'm voting on something else.
Just my thoughts.
Agreed. It's the old "flip over a table in the clubhouse to show you care" crap. Even if it does mean you care, it doesn't mean you're going to get better at baseball.
I don't care if Zambrano's rage wasn't initially directed at Lee. The fact that Lee, who I don't think anyone would label a hothead and comes across as a pretty mild-mannered dude (with the exception I guess being him crying about the mean fans booing people), told him to shut the fuck up, might be an indication that the team is sick of Z throwing them under the bus. And let's say Z WAS trying to "fire up" the team...wouldn't you take Lee telling you to shut the fuck up as a clue to maybe, I don't know, shut the fuck up?
When? You mean after he didn't lose his shit after his defense shat the bed in Game 2 of the NLDS? Actually, I think he handled that admirably when I think about it. Are you referring to some other time?
This is definitely not the first time Z has thrown a shitfit when somebody failed to make a play in the field. Obviously he's had a legitimate gripe with his slapdick teammates in most of those cases, but I don't think this was one of them.
Like I said above, I don't think it was about Lee. I think it was a culmination of 3 months of frustation that spewed out. I mean the guy was sent to the fucking bullpen, the team is like 10 games below .500, way out of the division race, and giving up 4 runs in the first inning has the makings of an "L" all over it.
Do you ever stop to question the reason behind your insistence on defending total assholes?
Not usually, no. I don't think my "Z-love" will reach Milton Bradley levels of idiocy and absurdity, but I don't really think he was calling anyone out in particular. I have an aversion to hating players I once irrationally loved. However, this season has made me inch closer and closer to being on the "TRADE Z" bandwagon. Friday was almost the straw the broke my cameltoed back.
I don't care if he was calling out anyone in particular. Carlos only has one person to blame for his shitty performance this season. I had hoped he'd changed when he handled the move to the bullpen relatively gracefully, but he's still the same child he's always been. I sure hope he had a nice dinner with Ozzie on Friday night!
Everyone knows the protocol when you think players are tanking plays for a certain pitcher. Tom Berenger goes to their houses and threatens to cut their nuts off and stuff them down their fucking throats. It's bad form to do it in the dugout.
Well, this is correct. He's been relatively shitty. As far as acting like a child like always, Buck Showalter actually kind of summed up all I need to know about people's opinions about Zambrano's mental demeanor when it comes to the game. After he gave up around 3 runs in the top of the 8th against Pissburgh (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN201005140.shtml), he just casually walked off the mound after the inning was done. Showalter pointed out that it looks like Zambrano just doesn't care. Now, if we know one thing, it's that Zambrano hasn't not cared in his career. So, basically, we go from hearing "Zambrano gets too worked up. He needs to be more relaxed" to "He needs to show the FIER N DA PASHUN". There is no action that Zambrano can do as far as "non-pitching activities" (read: blow-ups or the lack thereof) that will ever please people.
Anyhow, really, I just want to judge people on their on-field performances. And besides this year, Carlos has been pretty damn good every year since 2003. That's really what I'm focusing on. I admit I was a bit taken back by his antics on Friday. At the time, I thought I was done with him. Then, I kind of realized that's not my style. After that start before this one I thought he was on his way back. Friday just completely ruined that. If I'm going to hate him, I'm going to hate him for being a gutless asshole, which this year he's kind of turned into.
Crazy Rumor Guy with potential Z trade partners. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/06/trading-carlos-zambrano.html)
Get r' done Jimmy!
"Oliver Perez and Luis Castillo are owed a total of $27.6MM. The Mets would be taking on nearly $18MM to own Zambrano through '12 and finally ditch this pair of bad contracts. "
Quote from: BH on June 28, 2010, 02:43:32 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy with potential Z trade partners. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/06/trading-carlos-zambrano.html)
Get r' done Jimmy!
"Oliver Perez and Luis Castillo are owed a total of $27.6MM. The Mets would be taking on nearly $18MM to own Zambrano through '12 and finally ditch this pair of bad contracts. "
This sounds like the Bradley list of suitors all over again.
Guh.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 28, 2010, 03:01:16 PM
Quote from: BH on June 28, 2010, 02:43:32 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy with potential Z trade partners. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/06/trading-carlos-zambrano.html)
Get r' done Jimmy!
"Oliver Perez and Luis Castillo are owed a total of $27.6MM. The Mets would be taking on nearly $18MM to own Zambrano through '12 and finally ditch this pair of bad contracts. "
This sounds like the Bradley list of suitors all over again.
Guh.
If only there were
two Carlos Silvas.
Carlos Zambrano will be placed on the restricted list, undergo a treatment program for his anger issues and will not return to the team until after the All-Star break. (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/cubs-waiting-for-decision-on-zambrano-suspension.html)
Quote from: PenPho on June 28, 2010, 03:03:21 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 28, 2010, 03:01:16 PM
Quote from: BH on June 28, 2010, 02:43:32 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy with potential Z trade partners. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/06/trading-carlos-zambrano.html)
Get r' done Jimmy!
"Oliver Perez and Luis Castillo are owed a total of $27.6MM. The Mets would be taking on nearly $18MM to own Zambrano through '12 and finally ditch this pair of bad contracts. "
This sounds like the Bradley list of suitors all over again.
Guh.
If only there were two Carlos Silvas.
Are you trying to tell me that's NOT two guys?
Quote from: PenPho on June 28, 2010, 06:17:06 PM
Carlos Zambrano will be placed on the restricted list, undergo a treatment program for his anger issues and will not return to the team until after the All-Star break. (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/cubs-waiting-for-decision-on-zambrano-suspension.html)
How can things get any more retarded? Probably if they let retards play.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 29, 2010, 07:58:45 AM
Quote from: PenPho on June 28, 2010, 06:17:06 PM
Carlos Zambrano will be placed on the restricted list, undergo a treatment program for his anger issues and will not return to the team until after the All-Star break. (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/cubs-waiting-for-decision-on-zambrano-suspension.html)
How can things get any more retarded? Probably if they let retards play.
There's been a few since Farnsworth.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 29, 2010, 07:58:45 AM
Quote from: PenPho on June 28, 2010, 06:17:06 PM
Carlos Zambrano will be placed on the restricted list, undergo a treatment program for his anger issues and will not return to the team until after the All-Star break. (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/cubs-waiting-for-decision-on-zambrano-suspension.html)
How can things get any more retarded? Probably if they let retards play.
How about this. Zambrano did this on purpose to "fire up the team". And he confided in Kevin Millar. And that he told Carlos Silva he should throw a fit last week. Go Cubs!
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/zambrano-explains-himself-to-kevin-millar.html
Quote from: BH on June 29, 2010, 08:51:53 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 29, 2010, 07:58:45 AM
Quote from: PenPho on June 28, 2010, 06:17:06 PM
Carlos Zambrano will be placed on the restricted list, undergo a treatment program for his anger issues and will not return to the team until after the All-Star break. (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/cubs-waiting-for-decision-on-zambrano-suspension.html)
How can things get any more retarded? Probably if they let retards play.
How about this. Zambrano did this on purpose to "fire up the team". And he confided in Kevin Millar. And that he told Carlos Silva he should throw a fit last week. Go Cubs!
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/zambrano-explains-himself-to-kevin-millar.html
Quote"Well, then they end up trading Michael Barrett thinking that, 'OK, we'll get rid of him but something has to be done.' Now him (Zambrano's) going to anger management counseling...I think this is the new fad that we're trying to show that at least there's an effort there."
Anger management classes are pretty queer.
Quote from: Yeti on June 29, 2010, 09:15:56 AM
Quote from: BH on June 29, 2010, 08:51:53 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 29, 2010, 07:58:45 AM
Quote from: PenPho on June 28, 2010, 06:17:06 PM
Carlos Zambrano will be placed on the restricted list, undergo a treatment program for his anger issues and will not return to the team until after the All-Star break. (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/cubs-waiting-for-decision-on-zambrano-suspension.html)
How can things get any more retarded? Probably if they let retards play.
How about this. Zambrano did this on purpose to "fire up the team". And he confided in Kevin Millar. And that he told Carlos Silva he should throw a fit last week. Go Cubs!
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/zambrano-explains-himself-to-kevin-millar.html
Quote"Well, then they end up trading Michael Barrett thinking that, 'OK, we'll get rid of him but something has to be done.' Now him (Zambrano's) going to anger management counseling...I think this is the new fad that we're trying to show that at least there's an effort there."
Anger management classes are pretty queer.
In hindsight, it's clear this team was fucked the day they cut Kevin Millar.
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on June 29, 2010, 09:28:04 AM
Quote from: Yeti on June 29, 2010, 09:15:56 AM
Quote from: BH on June 29, 2010, 08:51:53 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 29, 2010, 07:58:45 AM
Quote from: PenPho on June 28, 2010, 06:17:06 PM
Carlos Zambrano will be placed on the restricted list, undergo a treatment program for his anger issues and will not return to the team until after the All-Star break. (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/cubs-waiting-for-decision-on-zambrano-suspension.html)
How can things get any more retarded? Probably if they let retards play.
How about this. Zambrano did this on purpose to "fire up the team". And he confided in Kevin Millar. And that he told Carlos Silva he should throw a fit last week. Go Cubs!
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/zambrano-explains-himself-to-kevin-millar.html
Quote"Well, then they end up trading Michael Barrett thinking that, 'OK, we'll get rid of him but something has to be done.' Now him (Zambrano's) going to anger management counseling...I think this is the new fad that we're trying to show that at least there's an effort there."
Anger management classes are pretty queer.
In hindsight, it's clear this team was fucked the day they cut Kevin Millar.
Didn't we keep chad tracy over millar? Even better.
Quote from: BH on June 29, 2010, 08:51:53 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 29, 2010, 07:58:45 AM
Quote from: PenPho on June 28, 2010, 06:17:06 PM
Carlos Zambrano will be placed on the restricted list, undergo a treatment program for his anger issues and will not return to the team until after the All-Star break. (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/cubs-waiting-for-decision-on-zambrano-suspension.html)
How can things get any more retarded? Probably if they let retards play.
How about this. Zambrano did this on purpose to "fire up the team". And he confided in Kevin Millar. And that he told Carlos Silva he should throw a fit last week. Go Cubs!
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/zambrano-explains-himself-to-kevin-millar.html
Millar eats ass.
Zambrano Rotation. (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100804&content_id=13009138&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc)
Quote from: Night Man on August 04, 2010, 03:03:44 PM
Zambrano Rotation. (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100804&content_id=13009138&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc)
good
Quote from: Yeti on August 04, 2010, 03:23:30 PM
Quote from: Night Man on August 04, 2010, 03:03:44 PM
Zambrano Rotation. (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100804&content_id=13009138&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc)
good
Like it fucking matters.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 04, 2010, 03:43:39 PM
Quote from: Yeti on August 04, 2010, 03:23:30 PM
Quote from: Night Man on August 04, 2010, 03:03:44 PM
Zambrano Rotation. (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100804&content_id=13009138&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc)
good
Like it fucking matters.
You matter to me.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 02:10:25 PM
Halladay is in a world all by himself as far as SP's go these days. I'd be surprised, but not shocked, if he threatened 30 wins this season.
Bumped for the surprising, but not shocking, 2nd no-hitter in playoff history by the 21 game winner.
Quote from: PenPho on October 06, 2010, 06:42:38 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 02:10:25 PM
Halladay is in a world all by himself as far as SP's go these days. I'd be surprised, but not shocked, if he threatened 30 wins this season.
Bumped for the surprising, but not shocking, 2nd no-hitter in playoff history by the 21 game winner.
Kaplan was queering off on his show about how the Cubs should trade Carlos Marmol now while his value is at its peak. I agree. They should totally trade Marmol for Roy Halladay.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 06, 2010, 07:27:58 PM
Quote from: PenPho on October 06, 2010, 06:42:38 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 22, 2010, 02:10:25 PM
Halladay is in a world all by himself as far as SP's go these days. I'd be surprised, but not shocked, if he threatened 30 wins this season.
Bumped for the surprising, but not shocking, 2nd no-hitter in playoff history by the 21 game winner.
Kaplan was queering off on his show about how the Cubs should trade Carlos Marmol now while his value is at its peak. I agree. They should totally trade Marmol for Roy Halladay.
But Dave Littlefield doesn't work for the Phillies.
Breathe a sigh of relief Cub fans.
Larry Rothschild has picked up his (!) option and will continue to coach Cubs pitching next year.
Thank Christ.
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/10/rothschild-to-return-to-cubs-in-2011.html