Great if you want to hate this world. I'm only 3 episodes in and it has done the whole Serial thing of "Did he do it? I think he did. No way he did it. What the fuck?" and I won't google to find out the end game.
Synopsis: Guy who was wrongfully convicted of sexual assault in 1985 is released after 18 years in prison. He sues the local county sheriff's office, then is accused of the murder of a woman who disappeared
Who "doesn't own underpants?"
Quote from: ChuckD on December 31, 2015, 12:38:10 AM
Who "doesn't own underpants?"
I got a nice chuckle out of that.
Quote from: ChuckD on December 31, 2015, 12:38:10 AM
Who "doesn't own underpants?"
I did laugh at that as well.
But seriously this show is fucked up. This guy definitely isn't bright but you'd have to be the biggest fucking idiot in the world to have committed this murder and "hid" the evidence where he allegedly did.
Jesus. I'm through Ep 5 and this is just heart-wrenching. I think someone should be examining the family's water for heavy metals. I'd guess that there's some severe lead poisoning going on (maybe batteries from the auto salvage?). But I'm sure they're completely mistrustful of anyone from the government at this point. And rightfully so.
Brendan is obviously functionally retarded. I figured he was blissfully ignorant. He'd just say whatever so he could turn in his project and get home to watch some wrestling.
And then there's that moment where he's talking to his mom about why he confessed to things he didn't do and he says "Cause I'm stupid."
Man. He's not blissfully ignorant. He fucking knows. Poor kid.
Quote from: ChuckD on December 31, 2015, 01:22:52 PM
Jesus. I'm through Ep 5 and this is just heart-wrenching. I think someone should be examining the family's water for heavy metals. I'd guess that there's some severe lead poisoning going on (maybe batteries from the auto salvage?). But I'm sure they're completely mistrustful of anyone from the government at this point. And rightfully so.
Brendan is obviously functionally retarded. I figured he was blissfully ignorant. He'd just say whatever so he could turn in his project and get home to watch some wrestling.
And then there's that moment where he's talking to his mom about why he confessed to things he didn't do and he says "Cause I'm stupid."
Man. He's not blissfully ignorant. He fucking knows. Poor kid.
I feel absolutely terrible for that kid. Fuck, even if he did do it it's obviously because he can't make a decision for himself and would do what anyone he trusted told him to do. The phone call with his mom where he wanted to make sure his dad was taping Wrestlemania fucking crushed me. Kid has no idea what all of these people are doing to him.
Quote from: SKO on December 31, 2015, 01:41:58 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on December 31, 2015, 01:22:52 PM
Jesus. I'm through Ep 5 and this is just heart-wrenching. I think someone should be examining the family's water for heavy metals. I'd guess that there's some severe lead poisoning going on (maybe batteries from the auto salvage?). But I'm sure they're completely mistrustful of anyone from the government at this point. And rightfully so.
Brendan is obviously functionally retarded. I figured he was blissfully ignorant. He'd just say whatever so he could turn in his project and get home to watch some wrestling.
And then there's that moment where he's talking to his mom about why he confessed to things he didn't do and he says "Cause I'm stupid."
Man. He's not blissfully ignorant. He fucking knows. Poor kid.
I feel absolutely terrible for that kid. Fuck, even if he did do it it's obviously because he can't make a decision for himself and would do what anyone he trusted told him to do. The phone call with his mom where he wanted to make sure his dad was taping Wrestlemania fucking crushed me. Kid has no idea what all of these people are doing to him.
Brendan is absolutely the most tragic figure in the story (well other than Teresa Halbach, of course). Just made me sick to my stomach.
There are plenty of candidates for biggest pieces of shit in the story, but my votes go to Ken Kravitz and Len Kachinsky, who
SPOILERS LINKED BELOW
Look like they're really (http://consumerist.com/2015/12/30/netflix-making-a-murder-documentary-inspires-viewers-to-seek-justice-through-yelp/) hurting (http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/28/making-murderer-burning-questions-netflix) from the role they played in the cases.
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Quote from: SKO on December 31, 2015, 01:41:58 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on December 31, 2015, 01:22:52 PM
Jesus. I'm through Ep 5 and this is just heart-wrenching. I think someone should be examining the family's water for heavy metals. I'd guess that there's some severe lead poisoning going on (maybe batteries from the auto salvage?). But I'm sure they're completely mistrustful of anyone from the government at this point. And rightfully so.
Brendan is obviously functionally retarded. I figured he was blissfully ignorant. He'd just say whatever so he could turn in his project and get home to watch some wrestling.
And then there's that moment where he's talking to his mom about why he confessed to things he didn't do and he says "Cause I'm stupid."
Man. He's not blissfully ignorant. He fucking knows. Poor kid.
I feel absolutely terrible for that kid. Fuck, even if he did do it it's obviously because he can't make a decision for himself and would do what anyone he trusted told him to do. The phone call with his mom where he wanted to make sure his dad was taping Wrestlemania fucking crushed me. Kid has no idea what all of these people are doing to him.
Brendan is absolutely the most tragic figure in the story (well other than Teresa Halbach, of course). Just made me sick to my stomach.
There are plenty of candidates for biggest pieces of shit in the story, but my votes go to Ken Kravitz and Len Kachinsky, who
SPOILERS LINKED BELOW
Look like they're really (http://consumerist.com/2015/12/30/netflix-making-a-murder-documentary-inspires-viewers-to-seek-justice-through-yelp/) hurting (http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/28/making-murderer-burning-questions-netflix) from the role they played in the cases.
Michael O'Kelly made a strong sprint to the finish. I think he might have taken the prize.
I'd like to revise my deadpool
Quote from: ChuckD on January 01, 2016, 02:45:35 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 31, 2015, 03:56:09 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 31, 2015, 01:41:58 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on December 31, 2015, 01:22:52 PM
Jesus. I'm through Ep 5 and this is just heart-wrenching. I think someone should be examining the family's water for heavy metals. I'd guess that there's some severe lead poisoning going on (maybe batteries from the auto salvage?). But I'm sure they're completely mistrustful of anyone from the government at this point. And rightfully so.
Brendan is obviously functionally retarded. I figured he was blissfully ignorant. He'd just say whatever so he could turn in his project and get home to watch some wrestling.
And then there's that moment where he's talking to his mom about why he confessed to things he didn't do and he says "Cause I'm stupid."
Man. He's not blissfully ignorant. He fucking knows. Poor kid.
I feel absolutely terrible for that kid. Fuck, even if he did do it it's obviously because he can't make a decision for himself and would do what anyone he trusted told him to do. The phone call with his mom where he wanted to make sure his dad was taping Wrestlemania fucking crushed me. Kid has no idea what all of these people are doing to him.
Brendan is absolutely the most tragic figure in the story (well other than Teresa Halbach, of course). Just made me sick to my stomach.
There are plenty of candidates for biggest pieces of shit in the story, but my votes go to Ken Kravitz and Len Kachinsky, who
SPOILERS LINKED BELOW
Look like they're really (http://consumerist.com/2015/12/30/netflix-making-a-murder-documentary-inspires-viewers-to-seek-justice-through-yelp/) hurting (http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/28/making-murderer-burning-questions-netflix) from the role they played in the cases.
Michael O'Kelly made a strong sprint to the finish. I think he might have taken the prize.
Holy fucking shit, fuck that dude
I am not reading any of this thread.
Mrs. flannj and I just finished watching the fourth episode.
Holy shit.
Quote from: flannj on January 03, 2016, 11:17:15 PM
I am not reading any of this thread.
Mrs. flannj and I just finished watching the fourth episode.
Holy shit.
Just finished 7. I'm finishing it tonight because... oh my god.
Quote from: SKO on January 03, 2016, 07:22:06 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on January 01, 2016, 02:45:35 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 31, 2015, 03:56:09 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 31, 2015, 01:41:58 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on December 31, 2015, 01:22:52 PM
Jesus. I'm through Ep 5 and this is just heart-wrenching. I think someone should be examining the family's water for heavy metals. I'd guess that there's some severe lead poisoning going on (maybe batteries from the auto salvage?). But I'm sure they're completely mistrustful of anyone from the government at this point. And rightfully so.
Brendan is obviously functionally retarded. I figured he was blissfully ignorant. He'd just say whatever so he could turn in his project and get home to watch some wrestling.
And then there's that moment where he's talking to his mom about why he confessed to things he didn't do and he says "Cause I'm stupid."
Man. He's not blissfully ignorant. He fucking knows. Poor kid.
I feel absolutely terrible for that kid. Fuck, even if he did do it it's obviously because he can't make a decision for himself and would do what anyone he trusted told him to do. The phone call with his mom where he wanted to make sure his dad was taping Wrestlemania fucking crushed me. Kid has no idea what all of these people are doing to him.
Brendan is absolutely the most tragic figure in the story (well other than Teresa Halbach, of course). Just made me sick to my stomach.
There are plenty of candidates for biggest pieces of shit in the story, but my votes go to Ken Kravitz and Len Kachinsky, who
SPOILERS LINKED BELOW
Look like they're really (http://consumerist.com/2015/12/30/netflix-making-a-murder-documentary-inspires-viewers-to-seek-justice-through-yelp/) hurting (http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/28/making-murderer-burning-questions-netflix) from the role they played in the cases.
Michael O'Kelly made a strong sprint to the finish. I think he might have taken the prize.
Holy fucking shit, fuck that dude
He's sitting there on the stand crying over the goddamn blue ribbon tied to Teresa's tree, with not a whit of remorse for what he did to Brendan. Does he even realize the purpose of him being called to testify?
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Quote from: SKO on January 03, 2016, 07:22:06 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on January 01, 2016, 02:45:35 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 31, 2015, 03:56:09 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 31, 2015, 01:41:58 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on December 31, 2015, 01:22:52 PM
Jesus. I'm through Ep 5 and this is just heart-wrenching. I think someone should be examining the family's water for heavy metals. I'd guess that there's some severe lead poisoning going on (maybe batteries from the auto salvage?). But I'm sure they're completely mistrustful of anyone from the government at this point. And rightfully so.
Brendan is obviously functionally retarded. I figured he was blissfully ignorant. He'd just say whatever so he could turn in his project and get home to watch some wrestling.
And then there's that moment where he's talking to his mom about why he confessed to things he didn't do and he says "Cause I'm stupid."
Man. He's not blissfully ignorant. He fucking knows. Poor kid.
I feel absolutely terrible for that kid. Fuck, even if he did do it it's obviously because he can't make a decision for himself and would do what anyone he trusted told him to do. The phone call with his mom where he wanted to make sure his dad was taping Wrestlemania fucking crushed me. Kid has no idea what all of these people are doing to him.
Brendan is absolutely the most tragic figure in the story (well other than Teresa Halbach, of course). Just made me sick to my stomach.
There are plenty of candidates for biggest pieces of shit in the story, but my votes go to Ken Kravitz and Len Kachinsky, who
SPOILERS LINKED BELOW
Look like they're really (http://consumerist.com/2015/12/30/netflix-making-a-murder-documentary-inspires-viewers-to-seek-justice-through-yelp/) hurting (http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/28/making-murderer-burning-questions-netflix) from the role they played in the cases.
Michael O'Kelly made a strong sprint to the finish. I think he might have taken the prize.
Holy fucking shit, fuck that dude
He's sitting there on the stand crying over the goddamn blue ribbon tied to Teresa's tree, with not a whit of remorse for what he did to Brendan. Does he even realize the purpose of him being called to testify?
I am not a lawyer, maybe one of the Desipio lawyers or Gil can explain how the same judge can dismiss Brendan's lawyer for his incompetence in letting Brendan be interrogated by police without a lawyer present, and yet also deny him a new trial when all of the evidence surfaced that his lawyer and his lawyer's investigator were sitting there e-mailing each other about how they had to bring the family down? It's exceedingly obvious that Brendan was fucked from the very beginning with a lawyer who
wanted him to be guilty
I was thinking that this reminded me a little bit of "Dear Zachary." I didn't think I'd ever be affected by a movie like I was with that. I still haven't, but I think this was pretty close.
You get the same basic recipe of tragic crime crossed with government incompetence. Same simultaneous feeling of dooooom/devastation/pity/helplessness/rage, but Making a Murderer is a slower burn spread out across a few episodes.
Dear Zachary made me want to vomit and forget I'd ever watched it.
This made me pull my hair out and scream profanities at the TV but I couldn't wait to watch the next episode.
Quote from: ChuckD on January 04, 2016, 10:17:24 AM
I was thinking that this reminded me a little bit of "Dear Zachary." I didn't think I'd ever be affected by a movie like I was with that. I still haven't, but I think this was pretty close.
You get the same basic recipe of tragic crime crossed with government incompetence. Same simultaneous feeling of dooooom/devastation/pity/helplessness/rage, but Making a Murderer is a slower burn spread out across a few episodes.
Dear Zachary made me want to vomit and forget I'd ever watched it.
This made me pull my hair out and scream profanities at the TV but I couldn't wait to watch the next episode.
Dear Zachary is a good comp.
I mean so many people focusing on Steven Avery, and I feel bad for him, no doubt, but like, I am just haunted by what has happened to Brendan. That kid never stood a fucking chance.
To be honest it kinda bugged me that Steven's parents basically never even mentioned Brendan. That's your grandkid. I know you're worried about Steven but I don't think I heard them upset about Brendan during the entire show.
The kid was just a mentally slow after thought in his own family of largely poor, uneducated, forgotten people to begin with. Then he either A) was the victim of a frame job by the police (and potentially his own brother and stepfather, because I kinda think Bobby Dassey and Tadych might have done it since they each provided the other's alibi) or B)actually did these things because a family member he trusted and would basically follow anywhere because he is a follower.
It's disgusting. What's upsetting is growing up in a rural area like I did I know so many families (hell, even some of my dad's cousins) who could have this happen to them and have no on ever believe their side of the story.
Quote from: ChuckD on January 04, 2016, 10:17:24 AM
I was thinking that this reminded me a little bit of "Dear Zachary." I didn't think I'd ever be affected by a movie like I was with that. I still haven't, but I think this was pretty close.
You get the same basic recipe of tragic crime crossed with government incompetence. Same simultaneous feeling of dooooom/devastation/pity/helplessness/rage, but Making a Murderer is a slower burn spread out across a few episodes.
Dear Zachary "I am Sam" made me want to vomit and forget I'd ever watched it.
This made me pull my hair out and scream profanities at the TV but I couldn't wait to watch the next episode.
I fixed your misspelling, there.
For fairness: http://www.pajiba.com/netflix_movies_and_tv/is-steven-avery-guilty-evidence-making-a-murderer-didnt-present.php
Quote- In the months leading up to Halbach's disappearance, Avery had called Auto Trader several times and always specifically requested Halbach to come out and take the photos.
-- Halbach had complained to her boss that she didn't want to go out to Avery's trailer anymore, because once when she came out, Avery was waiting for her wearing only a towel (this was excluded for being too inflammatory). Avery clearly had an obsession with Halbach.
-- On the day that Halbach went missing, Avery had called her three times, twice from a *67 number to hide his identity.
-- The bullet with Halbach's DNA on it came from Avery's gun, which always hung above his bed.
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-- Avery had purchased handcuffs and leg irons like the ones Dassey described holding Halbach only three weeks before (Avery said he's purchased them for use with his girlfriend, Jodi, with whom he'd had a tumultuous relationship -- at one point, he was ordered by police to stay away from her for three days).
-- Here's the piece of evidence that was presented at trial but not in the series that I find most convincing: In Dassey's illegally obtained statement, Dassey stated that he helped Avery moved the RAV4 into the junkyard and that Avery had lifted the hood and removed the battery cable. Even if you believe that the blood in Halbach's car was planted by the cops (as I do), there was also non-blood DNA evidence on the hood latch. I don't believe the police would plant -- or know to plant -- that evidence.
I don't know that this says he did it but they are other pieces of information that are of note.
Quote from: ChuckD on January 04, 2016, 10:17:24 AM
I was thinking that this reminded me a little bit of "Dear Zachary." I didn't think I'd ever be affected by a movie like I was with that. I still haven't, but I think this was pretty close.
You get the same basic recipe of tragic crime crossed with government incompetence. Same simultaneous feeling of dooooom/devastation/pity/helplessness/rage, but Making a Murderer is a slower burn spread out across a few episodes.
Dear Zachary made me want to vomit and forget I'd ever watched it.
This made me pull my hair out and scream profanities at the TV but I couldn't wait to watch the next episode.
So we watched Dear Zachary last night. Jesus christ, man. Absolutely heartbreaking. I agree that it was definitely worse (as in it was expertly made, but the story was so painful to watch) than Making a Murderer.
Quote from: R-V on January 06, 2016, 09:00:10 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on January 04, 2016, 10:17:24 AM
I was thinking that this reminded me a little bit of "Dear Zachary." I didn't think I'd ever be affected by a movie like I was with that. I still haven't, but I think this was pretty close.
You get the same basic recipe of tragic crime crossed with government incompetence. Same simultaneous feeling of dooooom/devastation/pity/helplessness/rage, but Making a Murderer is a slower burn spread out across a few episodes.
Dear Zachary made me want to vomit and forget I'd ever watched it.
This made me pull my hair out and scream profanities at the TV but I couldn't wait to watch the next episode.
So we watched Dear Zachary last night. Jesus christ, man. Absolutely heartbreaking. I agree that it was definitely worse (as in it was expertly made, but the story was so painful to watch) than Making a Murderer.
Dear Zachary fucking ruined me. I didn't sleep that night. I just kind of stared at my son sleeping and hated that this world can be so fucking cruel.
Quote from: SKO on January 06, 2016, 09:05:02 AM
Quote from: R-V on January 06, 2016, 09:00:10 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on January 04, 2016, 10:17:24 AM
I was thinking that this reminded me a little bit of "Dear Zachary." I didn't think I'd ever be affected by a movie like I was with that. I still haven't, but I think this was pretty close.
You get the same basic recipe of tragic crime crossed with government incompetence. Same simultaneous feeling of dooooom/devastation/pity/helplessness/rage, but Making a Murderer is a slower burn spread out across a few episodes.
Dear Zachary made me want to vomit and forget I'd ever watched it.
This made me pull my hair out and scream profanities at the TV but I couldn't wait to watch the next episode.
So we watched Dear Zachary last night. Jesus christ, man. Absolutely heartbreaking. I agree that it was definitely worse (as in it was expertly made, but the story was so painful to watch) than Making a Murderer.
Dear Zachary fucking ruined me. I didn't sleep that night. I just kind of stared at my son sleeping and hated that this world can be so fucking cruel.
Reading the description on Wikipedia, this sounds like something that would be clearly unbearable to watch. Since my son was born, I find, in general, that anything which shows the distress of children is unwatchable.
Quote from: Canadouche on January 06, 2016, 09:26:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 06, 2016, 09:05:02 AM
Quote from: R-V on January 06, 2016, 09:00:10 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on January 04, 2016, 10:17:24 AM
I was thinking that this reminded me a little bit of "Dear Zachary." I didn't think I'd ever be affected by a movie like I was with that. I still haven't, but I think this was pretty close.
You get the same basic recipe of tragic crime crossed with government incompetence. Same simultaneous feeling of dooooom/devastation/pity/helplessness/rage, but Making a Murderer is a slower burn spread out across a few episodes.
Dear Zachary made me want to vomit and forget I'd ever watched it.
This made me pull my hair out and scream profanities at the TV but I couldn't wait to watch the next episode.
So we watched Dear Zachary last night. Jesus christ, man. Absolutely heartbreaking. I agree that it was definitely worse (as in it was expertly made, but the story was so painful to watch) than Making a Murderer.
Dear Zachary fucking ruined me. I didn't sleep that night. I just kind of stared at my son sleeping and hated that this world can be so fucking cruel.
Reading the description on Wikipedia, this sounds like something that would be clearly unbearable to watch. Since my son was born, I find, in general, that anything which shows the distress of children is unwatchable.
Reading Wikipedia will spoil the movie. If you're considering watching it, do not read Wikipedia.
I will say that there's a point toward the end where the grandfather is cooly and calmly explaining all the different options he and his wife had considered.
And then he gets to the one that made the most sense was for him and it was basically "leave cash with friends/family scattered around the country, murder Shirley, and kidnap Zachary to get him out of the country."
Quick cut to the priest who's apparently just been told by the interviewer what the grandfather's plans were. And the priest sits pondering it and he finally says something like "Well ... [head tilt] hmmm ... I mean ... there
is some logic to it."
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Quote from: SKO on January 06, 2016, 09:05:02 AM
Quote from: R-V on January 06, 2016, 09:00:10 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on January 04, 2016, 10:17:24 AM
I was thinking that this reminded me a little bit of "Dear Zachary." I didn't think I'd ever be affected by a movie like I was with that. I still haven't, but I think this was pretty close.
You get the same basic recipe of tragic crime crossed with government incompetence. Same simultaneous feeling of dooooom/devastation/pity/helplessness/rage, but Making a Murderer is a slower burn spread out across a few episodes.
Dear Zachary made me want to vomit and forget I'd ever watched it.
This made me pull my hair out and scream profanities at the TV but I couldn't wait to watch the next episode.
So we watched Dear Zachary last night. Jesus christ, man. Absolutely heartbreaking. I agree that it was definitely worse (as in it was expertly made, but the story was so painful to watch) than Making a Murderer.
Dear Zachary fucking ruined me. I didn't sleep that night. I just kind of stared at my son sleeping and hated that this world can be so fucking cruel.
Reading the description on Wikipedia, this sounds like something that would be clearly unbearable to watch. Since my son was born, I find, in general, that anything which shows the distress of children is unwatchable.
Reading Wikipedia will spoil the movie. If you're considering watching it, do not read Wikipedia.
True. But if you're a parent who has trouble stomaching the rough treatment of kids... read Wikipedia.
Just finished my binge-watching & now all I want to do is burn down Manitowoc (sp.?) County and all who reside within its borders.
The one thing I keep coming to is where is all her blood. In a case in which the State of Wisconsin says Avery and Dassey slit Halbech's throat in Avery's room inside his trailer, there was none of her DNA found.
Now, I'm not saying Avery or Dassey are innocent. I'm saying that they should not be in jail based on the case presented by the State.
One more thing...the deputy that called in the plates on Halbech's vehicle two days before the vehicle was found...what in the actual fuck? He must have been staring at it as he made that call, right?
This theory (https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/40xtpo/the_most_credible_theory_i_have_seen_so_far/) makes way too much sense to me in terms of explaining motives and the timeline.
Quote from: ChuckD on January 27, 2016, 10:51:11 AM
This theory (https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/40xtpo/the_most_credible_theory_i_have_seen_so_far/) makes way too much sense to me in terms of explaining motives and the timeline.
Where does the the vial of Avery blood fit in that timeline?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 27, 2016, 11:00:46 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on January 27, 2016, 10:51:11 AM
This theory (https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/40xtpo/the_most_credible_theory_i_have_seen_so_far/) makes way too much sense to me in terms of explaining motives and the timeline.
Where does the the vial of Avery blood fit in that timeline?
I guess logically, it would have been something like:
Halbach finds vehicle and informs Colborn.
Lenk realizes Colborn fucked up by calling in the make/plate.
Lenk draws sample from the vial of Avery's blood in evidence.
Lenk and/or Colborn return to vehicle and plant blood evidence on Rav4.
Search party finds the vehicle with guidance from Lenk/Colborn. Warrant is obtained.
Lenk/Colborn "find" the bloody valet key.
Edit: I don't remember the show addressing it, but they actually found Halbach's valet key on the lanyard with no other keys (no house key?). That would fit with the theory that the brother/ex-boyfriend found the vehicle and provided Colborn/Lenk with the key to gain entry.
Season 2 spoiler. (https://twitter.com/TMJ4Steve/status/764191494530031616)