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Title: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on August 16, 2017, 10:44:13 AM
Yes I'm doing this.  If the Cubs actually manage to step on their dicks, continuously, for these final 6+weeks against teams who could all conceivably be under .500 by the time the Cubs play them, then let this thread stand as a sad, pathetic example of hubris of the highest order.

But that ain't gonna fucking happen, sorry.  Besides, these guys already won the World Series.  I ain't jinxing shit.

So, unless you're still a little too skittish to so willfully shake your fists at the gods, let this be your repository for the 25-man playoff roster.


No-Brainers:
SP Lester
SP Arrieta
SP Hendricks
SP Quintana
(bye Blackey)
RP Davis
RP CEJ
RP Strop
RP Wilson
RP Duensing
RP Montgomery
C WillyCon
C Avila
1B Rizzo
2B Baez
SS Russell
3B Bryant
LF Schwarber
CF Jay/Almora
RF Heyward
Bench: Zobrist, Happ, LaStella

So far that's 10 pitchers and 13 position players

So the final two spots comes down to Grimm and Rondon...or Grimm or Rondon, with 1 more bench player.

So who would be that bench player if they decide to just roll with 11 pitchers (and 7 relievers)?  Or do they actually go with 12 pitchers and 8 relievers and shorten their bench, hoping heir versatility covers them?  Or do they--heaven forbid--keep Lackey as some sort of "In case of emergency, please break" thing?  Perish the thought.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roser Thread
Post by: R-V on August 16, 2017, 10:56:42 AM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 16, 2017, 10:44:13 AM
(bye Blackey)

This is an unfortunate typo in an otherwise solid posteseason roser post.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on August 16, 2017, 11:03:35 AM
Quote from: R-V on August 16, 2017, 10:56:42 AM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 16, 2017, 10:44:13 AM
(bye Blackey)

This is an unfortunate typo in an otherwise solid posteseason roser post.


Blackey:

His teeth are huge, like Freddy "Piano Keys" Bynum's teeth, but they're also disgusting...the "black" keys instead of the white jeys.

"Black Keys' + Lackey = Blackey

For more information, check out  your local neighborhood Slack. (https://onlyslackilleverneed.slack.com/messages/C0LDW0TDX/)
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on August 16, 2017, 11:22:13 AM
They carried three catchers last year, and in 2015 they carried Schwarber as #3 when arguably he was still a catcher, so maybe they go with Caratini.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: Oleg on August 16, 2017, 12:30:57 PM
Would it be a shock to keep Rondon over Wilson?
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on August 16, 2017, 12:31:11 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 16, 2017, 11:22:13 AM
They carried three catchers last year, and in 2015 they carried Schwarber as #3 when arguably he was still a catcher, so maybe they go with Caratini.

I know SKO thinks he's just a guy--and he may well be though his offensive #'s seem to indicate some promise, but they're probably going to need to decide if they want Vic the Stick for the last spot or see if they can find something better on the flotsam wire before 9/1.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on August 16, 2017, 12:31:26 PM
Quote from: Oleg on August 16, 2017, 12:30:57 PM
Would it be a shock to keep Rondon over Wilson?

Yes.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: Quality Start Machine on August 16, 2017, 01:18:10 PM

Considering the first round opponent will be the Nationals - it's Division Champs or bust - I'd think they'd go with a longer bullpen to keep those noisy Washington bats quiet.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on August 16, 2017, 01:20:18 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 16, 2017, 01:18:10 PM

Considering the first round opponent will be the Nationals - it's Division Champs or bust - I'd think they'd go with a longer bullpen to keep those noisy Washington bats quiet.

Not a bad point...I guess I kinda forgot that teams have the ability to re-set the rosters between rounds.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: SKO on August 16, 2017, 01:28:15 PM
I'd still like to see a trade for a right handed outfielder who can actually hit.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: Quality Start Machine on August 16, 2017, 02:03:05 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 16, 2017, 01:20:18 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 16, 2017, 01:18:10 PM

Considering the first round opponent will be the Nationals - it's Division Champs or bust - I'd think they'd go with a longer bullpen to keep those noisy Washington bats quiet.

Not a bad point...I guess I kinda forgot that teams have the ability to re-set the rosters between rounds.

That's how Zastryzny made the Dodgers series.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on August 16, 2017, 02:44:39 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 16, 2017, 01:28:15 PM
I'd still like to see a trade for a right handed outfielder who can actually hit.

(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9047489/826780686.jpg)
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: SKO on August 16, 2017, 02:47:18 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 16, 2017, 02:44:39 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 16, 2017, 01:28:15 PM
I'd still like to see a trade for a right handed outfielder who can actually hit.

(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9047489/826780686.jpg)

God I wish.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: flannj on August 16, 2017, 03:11:51 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 16, 2017, 02:44:39 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 16, 2017, 01:28:15 PM
I'd still like to see a trade for a right handed outfielder who can actually hit.

(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9047489/826780686.jpg)

And how would this happen?
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: SKO on August 16, 2017, 03:13:21 PM
Quote from: flannj on August 16, 2017, 03:11:51 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 16, 2017, 02:44:39 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 16, 2017, 01:28:15 PM
I'd still like to see a trade for a right handed outfielder who can actually hit.

(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9047489/826780686.jpg)

And how would this happen?

I would assume Theo convinces Ricketts to take on the 295 million dollars remaining on that mega-deal and Loria, who is in the process of selling the team and would probably realize he can get more for it without the new owner having to worry about that contract, tells his GM to say yes. I guess you'd probably give them Schwarber at that point, too.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: flannj on August 16, 2017, 03:21:05 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 16, 2017, 03:13:21 PM
Quote from: flannj on August 16, 2017, 03:11:51 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 16, 2017, 02:44:39 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 16, 2017, 01:28:15 PM
I'd still like to see a trade for a right handed outfielder who can actually hit.

(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9047489/826780686.jpg)

And how would this happen?

I would assume Theo convinces Ricketts to take on the 295 million dollars remaining on that mega-deal and Loria, who is in the process of selling the team and would probably realize he can get more for it without the new owner having to worry about that contract, tells his GM to say yes. I guess you'd probably give them Schwarber at that point, too.

Quoteconvinces Ricketts to take on the 295 million dollars remaining on that mega-deal and Loria, who is in the process of selling the team and would probably realize he can get more for it without the new owner having to worry about that contract
Maybe Ricketts should buy the Marlins.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: PenFoe on August 16, 2017, 06:18:52 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 16, 2017, 11:03:35 AM
Quote from: R-V on August 16, 2017, 10:56:42 AM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 16, 2017, 10:44:13 AM
(bye Blackey)

This is an unfortunate typo in an otherwise solid posteseason roser post.


Blackey:

His teeth are huge, like Freddy "Piano Keys" Bynum's teeth, but they're also disgusting...the "black" keys instead of the white jeys.

"Black Keys' + Lackey = Blackey

For more information, check out  your local neighborhood Slack. (https://onlyslackilleverneed.slack.com/messages/C0LDW0TDX/)

I've spent a lot of time in Slack and have been involved in far, far than my fair share of dumb nickname conversations and I have neither heard "Blackey" before, nor have any idea what the fuck you're talking about
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on August 16, 2017, 06:47:59 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 16, 2017, 06:18:52 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 16, 2017, 11:03:35 AM
Quote from: R-V on August 16, 2017, 10:56:42 AM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 16, 2017, 10:44:13 AM
(bye Blackey)

This is an unfortunate typo in an otherwise solid posteseason roser post.


Blackey:

His teeth are huge, like Freddy "Piano Keys" Bynum's teeth, but they're also disgusting...the "black" keys instead of the white jeys.

"Black Keys' + Lackey = Blackey

For more information, check out  your local neighborhood Slack. (https://onlyslackilleverneed.slack.com/messages/C0LDW0TDX/)

I've spent a lot of time in Slack and have been involved in far, far than my fair share of dumb nickname conversations and I have neither heard "Blackey" before, nor have any idea what the fuck you're talking about

Whatever, you were too busy cavorting in Indiana of all places during the month of July and missed your opportunity to stop this.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on August 16, 2017, 06:52:10 PM
Also, I forgot Uehara, would would make 11 pitchers before the Rondon/Grimm octagon match, which might be rendered moot if they pick up a bat.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: Tonker on August 17, 2017, 05:32:13 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 16, 2017, 06:18:52 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 16, 2017, 11:03:35 AM
Quote from: R-V on August 16, 2017, 10:56:42 AM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 16, 2017, 10:44:13 AM
(bye Blackey)

This is an unfortunate typo in an otherwise solid posteseason roser post.


Blackey:

His teeth are huge, like Freddy "Piano Keys" Bynum's teeth, but they're also disgusting...the "black" keys instead of the white jeys.

"Black Keys' + Lackey = Blackey

For more information, check out  your local neighborhood Slack. (https://onlyslackilleverneed.slack.com/messages/C0LDW0TDX/)

I've spent a lot of time in Slack and have been involved in far, far than my fair share of dumb nickname conversations and I have neither heard "Blackey" before, nor have any idea what the fuck you're talking about

Pro tip: if you need more than about six words to explain a nickname, then it's probably not a very good nickname.  See: Bodie; JHey; QSM; 1060; Christ; Zorilla; Ballgame, Tony; BMIaez... etc., etc.  One of the few exceptions to this is JIMMY BUTTHOLE.

Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: Quality Start Machine on August 17, 2017, 08:10:50 AM
Quote from: Tonker on August 17, 2017, 05:32:13 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 16, 2017, 06:18:52 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 16, 2017, 11:03:35 AM
Quote from: R-V on August 16, 2017, 10:56:42 AM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 16, 2017, 10:44:13 AM
(bye Blackey)

This is an unfortunate typo in an otherwise solid posteseason roser post.


Blackey:

His teeth are huge, like Freddy "Piano Keys" Bynum's teeth, but they're also disgusting...the "black" keys instead of the white jeys.

"Black Keys' + Lackey = Blackey

For more information, check out  your local neighborhood Slack. (https://onlyslackilleverneed.slack.com/messages/C0LDW0TDX/)

I've spent a lot of time in Slack and have been involved in far, far than my fair share of dumb nickname conversations and I have neither heard "Blackey" before, nor have any idea what the fuck you're talking about

Pro tip: if you need more than about six words to explain a nickname, then it's probably not a very good nickname.  See: Bodie; JHey; QSM; 1060; Christ; Zorilla; Ballgame, Tony; BMIaez... etc., etc.  One of the few exceptions to this is JIMMY BUTTHOLE.



Trying to explain JIMMY BUTTHOLE is like trying to solve a problem like Maria.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on August 17, 2017, 08:47:09 AM
Quote from: Tonker on August 17, 2017, 05:32:13 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 16, 2017, 06:18:52 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 16, 2017, 11:03:35 AM
Quote from: R-V on August 16, 2017, 10:56:42 AM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 16, 2017, 10:44:13 AM
(bye Blackey)

This is an unfortunate typo in an otherwise solid posteseason roser post.


Blackey:

His teeth are huge, like Freddy "Piano Keys" Bynum's teeth, but they're also disgusting...the "black" keys instead of the white jeys.

"Black Keys' + Lackey = Blackey

For more information, check out  your local neighborhood Slack. (https://onlyslackilleverneed.slack.com/messages/C0LDW0TDX/)

I've spent a lot of time in Slack and have been involved in far, far than my fair share of dumb nickname conversations and I have neither heard "Blackey" before, nor have any idea what the fuck you're talking about

Pro tip: if you need more than about six words to explain a nickname, then it's probably not a very good nickname.  See: Bodie; JHey; QSM; 1060; Christ; Zorilla; Ballgame, Tony; BMIaez... etc., etc.  One of the few exceptions to this is JIMMY BUTTHOLE.



I challenge you to explain all of those nicknames in 6 words or fewer.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on August 17, 2017, 08:48:40 AM
DPD...so from today's perspective it comes down to Grimm and a bat for #25.  As much as Hector has looked like he's righted the ship in low-leverage situations, he's done this too many times and probably won't get too many chances to do it again so...
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: Tonker on August 17, 2017, 09:28:40 AM
Quote from: A. Baldheaded Prick on August 17, 2017, 08:47:09 AM
Quote from: Tonker on August 17, 2017, 05:32:13 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 16, 2017, 06:18:52 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 16, 2017, 11:03:35 AM
Quote from: R-V on August 16, 2017, 10:56:42 AM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 16, 2017, 10:44:13 AM
(bye Blackey)

This is an unfortunate typo in an otherwise solid posteseason roser post.


Blackey:

His teeth are huge, like Freddy "Piano Keys" Bynum's teeth, but they're also disgusting...the "black" keys instead of the white jeys.

"Black Keys' + Lackey = Blackey

For more information, check out  your local neighborhood Slack. (https://onlyslackilleverneed.slack.com/messages/C0LDW0TDX/)

I've spent a lot of time in Slack and have been involved in far, far than my fair share of dumb nickname conversations and I have neither heard "Blackey" before, nor have any idea what the fuck you're talking about

Pro tip: if you need more than about six words to explain a nickname, then it's probably not a very good nickname.  See: Bodie; JHey; QSM; 1060; Christ; Zorilla; Ballgame, Tony; BMIaez... etc., etc.  One of the few exceptions to this is JIMMY BUTTHOLE.



I challenge you to explain all of those nicknames in 6 words or fewer.

Bodie: Looks like Bodie from "The Wire"
JHey: His name is Jason Heyward
QSM: All he does is Quality Start
1060: His name is Addison
Christ: He's better than Jesus
Zorilla: Named Zobrist, hits like a beast
Ballgame, Tony: All-round legend just like Teddy
BMIaez: Fat bastard

How's that?
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on August 17, 2017, 09:53:02 AM
Quote from: Tonker on August 17, 2017, 09:28:40 AM
Quote from: A. Baldheaded Prick on August 17, 2017, 08:47:09 AM
Quote from: Tonker on August 17, 2017, 05:32:13 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 16, 2017, 06:18:52 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 16, 2017, 11:03:35 AM
Quote from: R-V on August 16, 2017, 10:56:42 AM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 16, 2017, 10:44:13 AM
(bye Blackey)

This is an unfortunate typo in an otherwise solid posteseason roser post.


Blackey:

His teeth are huge, like Freddy "Piano Keys" Bynum's teeth, but they're also disgusting...the "black" keys instead of the white jeys.

"Black Keys' + Lackey = Blackey

For more information, check out  your local neighborhood Slack. (https://onlyslackilleverneed.slack.com/messages/C0LDW0TDX/)

I've spent a lot of time in Slack and have been involved in far, far than my fair share of dumb nickname conversations and I have neither heard "Blackey" before, nor have any idea what the fuck you're talking about

Pro tip: if you need more than about six words to explain a nickname, then it's probably not a very good nickname.  See: Bodie; JHey; QSM; 1060; Christ; Zorilla; Ballgame, Tony; BMIaez... etc., etc.  One of the few exceptions to this is JIMMY BUTTHOLE.



I challenge you to explain all of those nicknames in 6 words or fewer.

Bodie: Looks like Bodie from "The Wire"
JHey: His name is Jason Heyward
QSM: All he does is Quality Start
1060: His name is Addison Wrigley Field = 1060 West Addison
Christ: He's better than Jesus
Zorilla: Named Zobrist, hits like a beast
Ballgame, Tony: All-round legend just like Teddy
BMIaez: Fat bastard Tonker ironically called Baez "fat"

How's that?

Not bad, but not perfect if the objective was to truly explain nicknames.  I help'd you, though.  

Also, I may have prematurely dissed Rizzo 5 years ago, but at least I hadn't called him fat.

Finally, John Lackey = "Piano Keys" Bynum, only black teeth. Is that better for you , you fat Aussie fuck?
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: Tonker on August 17, 2017, 10:39:49 AM
Quote from: A. Baldheaded Prick on August 17, 2017, 09:53:02 AM
Quote from: Tonker on August 17, 2017, 09:28:40 AM
Quote from: A. Baldheaded Prick on August 17, 2017, 08:47:09 AM
Quote from: Tonker on August 17, 2017, 05:32:13 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 16, 2017, 06:18:52 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 16, 2017, 11:03:35 AM
Quote from: R-V on August 16, 2017, 10:56:42 AM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 16, 2017, 10:44:13 AM
(bye Blackey)

This is an unfortunate typo in an otherwise solid posteseason roser post.


Blackey:

His teeth are huge, like Freddy "Piano Keys" Bynum's teeth, but they're also disgusting...the "black" keys instead of the white jeys.

"Black Keys' + Lackey = Blackey

For more information, check out  your local neighborhood Slack. (https://onlyslackilleverneed.slack.com/messages/C0LDW0TDX/)

I've spent a lot of time in Slack and have been involved in far, far than my fair share of dumb nickname conversations and I have neither heard "Blackey" before, nor have any idea what the fuck you're talking about

Pro tip: if you need more than about six words to explain a nickname, then it's probably not a very good nickname.  See: Bodie; JHey; QSM; 1060; Christ; Zorilla; Ballgame, Tony; BMIaez... etc., etc.  One of the few exceptions to this is JIMMY BUTTHOLE.



I challenge you to explain all of those nicknames in 6 words or fewer.

Bodie: Looks like Bodie from "The Wire"
JHey: His name is Jason Heyward
QSM: All he does is Quality Start
1060: His name is Addison Wrigley Field = 1060 West Addison
Christ: He's better than Jesus
Zorilla: Named Zobrist, hits like a beast
Ballgame, Tony: All-round legend just like Teddy
BMIaez: Fat bastard Tonker ironically called Baez "fat"

How's that?

Not bad, but not perfect if the objective was to truly explain nicknames.  I help'd you, though.  

Also, I may have prematurely dissed Rizzo 5 years ago, but at least I hadn't called him fat.

Finally, John Lackey = "Piano Keys" Bynum, only black teeth. Is that better for you , you fat Aussie fuck?

Nope.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: SKO on August 17, 2017, 11:01:22 AM
I'd pay good money to have Huey explain to some black dude other than Apex why he nicknamed him "Blackey", inspired by a  black dude's buck teeth, and why that's totally not racist.

I'm not saying it is racist, because as bad as this nickname is (and it's terrible), I am steeped enough in Desipio lore to follow the logic. I would just like to hear him try and explain it to someone divorced of context.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: Quality Start Machine on August 17, 2017, 01:38:56 PM

I call him Johnny Longball, which is easier to explain and more fitting.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: CBStew on August 17, 2017, 03:16:31 PM
Quote from: A. Baldheaded Prick on August 17, 2017, 09:53:02 AM
Quote from: Tonker on August 17, 2017, 09:28:40 AM
Quote from: A. Baldheaded Prick on August 17, 2017, 08:47:09 AM
Quote from: Tonker on August 17, 2017, 05:32:13 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 16, 2017, 06:18:52 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 16, 2017, 11:03:35 AM
Quote from: R-V on August 16, 2017, 10:56:42 AM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 16, 2017, 10:44:13 AM
(bye Blackey)

This is an unfortunate typo in an otherwise solid posteseason roser post.


Blackey:

His teeth are huge, like Freddy "Piano Keys" Bynum's teeth, but they're also disgusting...the "black" keys instead of the white jeys.

"Black Keys' + Lackey = Blackey

For more information, check out  your local neighborhood Slack. (https://onlyslackilleverneed.slack.com/messages/C0LDW0TDX/)

I've spent a lot of time in Slack and have been involved in far, far than my fair share of dumb nickname conversations and I have neither heard "Blackey" before, nor have any idea what the fuck you're talking about

Pro tip: if you need more than about six words to explain a nickname, then it's probably not a very good nickname.  See: Bodie; JHey; QSM; 1060; Christ; Zorilla; Ballgame, Tony; BMIaez... etc., etc.  One of the few exceptions to this is JIMMY BUTTHOLE.



I challenge you to explain all of those nicknames in 6 words or fewer.

Bodie: Looks like Bodie from "The Wire"
JHey: His name is Jason Heyward
QSM: All he does is Quality Start
1060: His name is Addison Wrigley Field = 1060 West Addison
Christ: He's better than Jesus
Zorilla: Named Zobrist, hits like a beast
Ballgame, Tony: All-round legend just like Teddy
BMIaez: Fat bastard Tonker ironically called Baez "fat"

How's that?

Not bad, but not perfect if the objective was to truly explain nicknames.  I help'd you, though.  

Also, I may have prematurely dissed Rizzo 5 years ago, but at least I hadn't called him fat.

Finally, John Lackey = "Piano Keys" Bynum, only black teeth. Is that better for you , you fat Aussie fuck?
Since when do the jails provide short sleeve orange jumpsuits with Polo logos?
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on August 17, 2017, 04:20:59 PM
Quote from: A. Baldheaded Prick on August 17, 2017, 08:48:40 AM
DPD...so from today's perspective it comes down to Grimm and a bat for #25.  As much as Hector has looked like he's righted the ship in low-leverage situations, he's done this too many times and probably won't get too many chances to do it again so...

Looks like Vic the Stick or a hitter off waivers!
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on August 22, 2017, 10:11:47 PM
I think they'll probably carry Rivera as the third catcher/guy who replaces Alex Avila defensively because he's bad. Vic the Stick only comes along if he has a red-hot September or (gulp) is an injury replacement for someone.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on August 28, 2017, 12:58:55 PM
He'll probably still make it but Uehara seems intent on making it interesting.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on August 28, 2017, 11:07:18 PM
So what do you suppose the odds are of Montgomery getting starts over Quintana in the playoffs.  They would like to have 2 good lefties go against the Dodgers if they faced them, so at what point would that be one realistic?
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: SKO on August 29, 2017, 07:47:28 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on August 28, 2017, 11:07:18 PM
So what do you suppose the odds are of Montgomery getting starts over Quintana in the playoffs.  They would like to have 2 good lefties go against the Dodgers if they faced them, so at what point would that be one realistic?

I think in the playoffs Joe would honestly rather have Montgomery available to use for 2-3 innings in multiple games.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on August 29, 2017, 07:59:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 29, 2017, 07:47:28 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on August 28, 2017, 11:07:18 PM
So what do you suppose the odds are of Montgomery getting starts over Quintana in the playoffs.  They would like to have 2 good lefties go against the Dodgers if they faced them, so at what point would that be one realistic?

I think in the playoffs Joe would honestly rather have Montgomery available to use for 2-3 innings in multiple games.

Yeah.  Plus who knows how useless Q would be if he's not good enough for the rotation?  That fucker needs to figure it out.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: Quality Start Machine on August 29, 2017, 08:12:15 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on August 29, 2017, 07:59:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 29, 2017, 07:47:28 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on August 28, 2017, 11:07:18 PM
So what do you suppose the odds are of Montgomery getting starts over Quintana in the playoffs.  They would like to have 2 good lefties go against the Dodgers if they faced them, so at what point would that be one realistic?

I think in the playoffs Joe would honestly rather have Montgomery available to use for 2-3 innings in multiple games.

Yeah.  Plus who knows how useless Q would be if he's not good enough for the rotation?  That fucker needs to figure it out.

The thing with Q is, (and you can ask any Sox fan abaout this) is that you generally find out in the first couple innings which Quintana you have. If you're bringing him in relief you don't have the luxury of a couple innings.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: Shooter on August 29, 2017, 08:50:21 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on August 28, 2017, 12:58:55 PM
He'll probably still make it but Uehara seems intent on making it interesting.
"Lefties against the Dodgers" isn't really a thing anymore. Their OPS vs. lefties is .811 (.778 vs. righties).
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: SKO on August 29, 2017, 08:52:27 AM
Quote from: Shooter on August 29, 2017, 08:50:21 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on August 28, 2017, 12:58:55 PM
He'll probably still make it but Uehara seems intent on making it interesting.
"Lefties against the Dodgers" isn't really a thing anymore. Their OPS vs. lefties is .811 (.778 vs. righties).

Yeah there's not really a matchup that doesn't favor the Dodgers. The only strategy there is get hot and pray.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on August 29, 2017, 09:00:11 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 29, 2017, 08:52:27 AM
Quote from: Shooter on August 29, 2017, 08:50:21 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on August 28, 2017, 12:58:55 PM
He'll probably still make it but Uehara seems intent on making it interesting.
"Lefties against the Dodgers" isn't really a thing anymore. Their OPS vs. lefties is .811 (.778 vs. righties).

Yeah there's not really a matchup that doesn't favor the Dodgers. The only strategy there is get hot and pray.

Beats not having any strategy, damn right yay?
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 05, 2017, 09:17:51 AM
UPDATE:

Sure things:

SP Lester
SP Arrieta (knocks on wood)
SP Hendricks
SP Quintana
RP Davis
RP CEJ
RP Strop
RP Duensing
RP Montgomery
C WillyCon
C Avila
1B Rizzo
2B/SS Baez
SS/2B Russell
3B Bryant
LF Schwarber
CF Jay/Almora
RF Heyward
Bench: Zobrist, Happ, LaStella

Uehera may be pitching his way off the team and Wilson is maybe on the bubble, too, although i think the latter ends up turning his shit around and making it.  They really need him to so I think he'll get every available chance to earn it..

If Wilson's on, then that's 10, meaning there's room for at least 1 (maybe 2) more pitchers.  If they go with 2 more after that it'd probably be one from the following 2 groups: Grimm/Rondon and then Lackey/Uehara.  Though it'd be hilarious to see SKO utterly lose his shit if Lackey makes the roster, the truth is Uehara may be done and he's suddenly just as prone to give up a home run as Lackey.  Obviously, since this would be the 12th and final pitchers spot, the hope is that the person is not even needed but if it is, I could see them picking Lackey over Uehara since the former would have the ability to go several innings should a situation require it.

If they only go with 11 pitchers, and assuming Wilson is #10, then it'd be only one of those four (Grimm, Rondon, Uehara and Lackey).

If they do go with 11 pitchers, then that would open up 1 more spot on the bench and it would seem to come down to Rivera and Caratini.  In that case I'd prefer it be Caratini.  Carrying 3 catchers in the postseason is not common--last year's Cubs excepted and that's mainly because of the unusual situation with Ross--so the priority would be a bat and even though he's just a rookie, I'm fairly confident Caratini brings more potential on offense than Rivera.  That he would also serve as an emergency 3rd catcher would be nice insurance, but if he makes the roster, it's because they believe he can hit and I'd be okay with it.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: Oleg on September 05, 2017, 11:17:47 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 05, 2017, 09:17:51 AM
UPDATE:

Sure things:

SP Lester
SP Arrieta (knocks on wood)
SP Hendricks
SP Quintana
RP Davis
RP CEJ
RP Strop
RP Duensing
RP Montgomery
C WillyCon
C Avila
1B Rizzo
2B/SS Baez
SS/2B Russell
3B Bryant
LF Schwarber
CF Jay/Almora
RF Heyward
Bench: Zobrist, Happ, LaStella

Uehera may be pitching his way off the team and Wilson is maybe on the bubble, too, although i think the latter ends up turning his shit around and making it.  They really need him to so I think he'll get every available chance to earn it..

If Wilson's on, then that's 10, meaning there's room for at least 1 (maybe 2) more pitchers.  If they go with 2 more after that it'd probably be one from the following 2 groups: Grimm/Rondon and then Lackey/Uehara.  Though it'd be hilarious to see SKO utterly lose his shit if Lackey makes the roster, the truth is Uehara may be done and he's suddenly just as prone to give up a home run as Lackey.  Obviously, since this would be the 12th and final pitchers spot, the hope is that the person is not even needed but if it is, I could see them picking Lackey over Uehara since the former would have the ability to go several innings should a situation require it.

If they only go with 11 pitchers, and assuming Wilson is #10, then it'd be only one of those four (Grimm, Rondon, Uehara and Lackey).

If they do go with 11 pitchers, then that would open up 1 more spot on the bench and it would seem to come down to Rivera and Caratini.  In that case I'd prefer it be Caratini.  Carrying 3 catchers in the postseason is not common--last year's Cubs excepted and that's mainly because of the unusual situation with Ross--so the priority would be a bat and even though he's just a rookie, I'm fairly confident Caratini brings more potential on offense than Rivera.  That he would also serve as an emergency 3rd catcher would be nice insurance, but if he makes the roster, it's because they believe he can hit and I'd be okay with it.


Am I miscounting or is that only 22 players?

I think Wilson and Rondon or Uehara are sure bets.  If it's two of those 3, it leaves one spot.  I think they have plenty of bat on the bench...probably.  I'm guessing they go with a veteran catcher over Caratini.  Hopefully, whoever it is, isn't getting any major playing time in the playoffs anyway.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: Quality Start Machine on September 05, 2017, 11:40:45 AM
Quote from: Oleg on September 05, 2017, 11:17:47 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 05, 2017, 09:17:51 AM
UPDATE:

Sure things:

SP Lester
SP Arrieta (knocks on wood)
SP Hendricks
SP Quintana
RP Davis
RP CEJ
RP Strop
RP Duensing
RP Montgomery
C WillyCon
C Avila
1B Rizzo
2B/SS Baez
SS/2B Russell
3B Bryant
LF Schwarber
CF Jay/Almora
RF Heyward
Bench: Zobrist, Happ, LaStella

Uehera may be pitching his way off the team and Wilson is maybe on the bubble, too, although i think the latter ends up turning his shit around and making it.  They really need him to so I think he'll get every available chance to earn it..

If Wilson's on, then that's 10, meaning there's room for at least 1 (maybe 2) more pitchers.  If they go with 2 more after that it'd probably be one from the following 2 groups: Grimm/Rondon and then Lackey/Uehara.  Though it'd be hilarious to see SKO utterly lose his shit if Lackey makes the roster, the truth is Uehara may be done and he's suddenly just as prone to give up a home run as Lackey.  Obviously, since this would be the 12th and final pitchers spot, the hope is that the person is not even needed but if it is, I could see them picking Lackey over Uehara since the former would have the ability to go several innings should a situation require it.

If they only go with 11 pitchers, and assuming Wilson is #10, then it'd be only one of those four (Grimm, Rondon, Uehara and Lackey).

If they do go with 11 pitchers, then that would open up 1 more spot on the bench and it would seem to come down to Rivera and Caratini.  In that case I'd prefer it be Caratini.  Carrying 3 catchers in the postseason is not common--last year's Cubs excepted and that's mainly because of the unusual situation with Ross--so the priority would be a bat and even though he's just a rookie, I'm fairly confident Caratini brings more potential on offense than Rivera.  That he would also serve as an emergency 3rd catcher would be nice insurance, but if he makes the roster, it's because they believe he can hit and I'd be okay with it.


Am I miscounting or is that only 22 players?

I think Wilson and Rondon or Uehara are sure bets.  If it's two of those 3, it leaves one spot.  I think they have plenty of bat on the bench...probably.  I'm guessing they go with a veteran catcher over Caratini.  Hopefully, whoever it is, isn't getting any major playing time in the playoffs anyway.

I also doubt Lackey makes the cut, since Montgomery will be the multi-inning guy.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: Oleg on September 05, 2017, 11:47:01 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 05, 2017, 11:40:45 AM
Quote from: Oleg on September 05, 2017, 11:17:47 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 05, 2017, 09:17:51 AM
UPDATE:

Sure things:

SP Lester
SP Arrieta (knocks on wood)
SP Hendricks
SP Quintana
RP Davis
RP CEJ
RP Strop
RP Duensing
RP Montgomery
C WillyCon
C Avila
1B Rizzo
2B/SS Baez
SS/2B Russell
3B Bryant
LF Schwarber
CF Jay/Almora
RF Heyward
Bench: Zobrist, Happ, LaStella

Uehera may be pitching his way off the team and Wilson is maybe on the bubble, too, although i think the latter ends up turning his shit around and making it.  They really need him to so I think he'll get every available chance to earn it..

If Wilson's on, then that's 10, meaning there's room for at least 1 (maybe 2) more pitchers.  If they go with 2 more after that it'd probably be one from the following 2 groups: Grimm/Rondon and then Lackey/Uehara.  Though it'd be hilarious to see SKO utterly lose his shit if Lackey makes the roster, the truth is Uehara may be done and he's suddenly just as prone to give up a home run as Lackey.  Obviously, since this would be the 12th and final pitchers spot, the hope is that the person is not even needed but if it is, I could see them picking Lackey over Uehara since the former would have the ability to go several innings should a situation require it.

If they only go with 11 pitchers, and assuming Wilson is #10, then it'd be only one of those four (Grimm, Rondon, Uehara and Lackey).

If they do go with 11 pitchers, then that would open up 1 more spot on the bench and it would seem to come down to Rivera and Caratini.  In that case I'd prefer it be Caratini.  Carrying 3 catchers in the postseason is not common--last year's Cubs excepted and that's mainly because of the unusual situation with Ross--so the priority would be a bat and even though he's just a rookie, I'm fairly confident Caratini brings more potential on offense than Rivera.  That he would also serve as an emergency 3rd catcher would be nice insurance, but if he makes the roster, it's because they believe he can hit and I'd be okay with it.


Am I miscounting or is that only 22 players?

I think Wilson and Rondon or Uehara are sure bets.  If it's two of those 3, it leaves one spot.  I think they have plenty of bat on the bench...probably.  I'm guessing they go with a veteran catcher over Caratini.  Hopefully, whoever it is, isn't getting any major playing time in the playoffs anyway.

I also doubt Lackey makes the cut, since Montgomery will be the multi-inning guy.

I also want to absolutely positive how awesome a bench of Zobrist, Happ, and LaStella is.  And because the starters are so awesome defensively (Schwarber notwithstanding), it really mitigates the need for glove-only bench players.  Same with having so much positional flexibility.

As much as I'd hate to admit it, this roster really even makes Heyward a bit irrelevant.  He ends up being the defensive replacement.

This is a damn good team.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: SKO on September 05, 2017, 11:51:55 AM
Quote from: Oleg on September 05, 2017, 11:47:01 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 05, 2017, 11:40:45 AM
Quote from: Oleg on September 05, 2017, 11:17:47 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 05, 2017, 09:17:51 AM
UPDATE:

Sure things:

SP Lester
SP Arrieta (knocks on wood)
SP Hendricks
SP Quintana
RP Davis
RP CEJ
RP Strop
RP Duensing
RP Montgomery
C WillyCon
C Avila
1B Rizzo
2B/SS Baez
SS/2B Russell
3B Bryant
LF Schwarber
CF Jay/Almora
RF Heyward
Bench: Zobrist, Happ, LaStella

Uehera may be pitching his way off the team and Wilson is maybe on the bubble, too, although i think the latter ends up turning his shit around and making it.  They really need him to so I think he'll get every available chance to earn it..

If Wilson's on, then that's 10, meaning there's room for at least 1 (maybe 2) more pitchers.  If they go with 2 more after that it'd probably be one from the following 2 groups: Grimm/Rondon and then Lackey/Uehara.  Though it'd be hilarious to see SKO utterly lose his shit if Lackey makes the roster, the truth is Uehara may be done and he's suddenly just as prone to give up a home run as Lackey.  Obviously, since this would be the 12th and final pitchers spot, the hope is that the person is not even needed but if it is, I could see them picking Lackey over Uehara since the former would have the ability to go several innings should a situation require it.

If they only go with 11 pitchers, and assuming Wilson is #10, then it'd be only one of those four (Grimm, Rondon, Uehara and Lackey).

If they do go with 11 pitchers, then that would open up 1 more spot on the bench and it would seem to come down to Rivera and Caratini.  In that case I'd prefer it be Caratini.  Carrying 3 catchers in the postseason is not common--last year's Cubs excepted and that's mainly because of the unusual situation with Ross--so the priority would be a bat and even though he's just a rookie, I'm fairly confident Caratini brings more potential on offense than Rivera.  That he would also serve as an emergency 3rd catcher would be nice insurance, but if he makes the roster, it's because they believe he can hit and I'd be okay with it.


Am I miscounting or is that only 22 players?

I think Wilson and Rondon or Uehara are sure bets.  If it's two of those 3, it leaves one spot.  I think they have plenty of bat on the bench...probably.  I'm guessing they go with a veteran catcher over Caratini.  Hopefully, whoever it is, isn't getting any major playing time in the playoffs anyway.

I also doubt Lackey makes the cut, since Montgomery will be the multi-inning guy.

I also want to absolutely positive how awesome a bench of Zobrist, Happ, and LaStella is.  And because the starters are so awesome defensively (Schwarber notwithstanding), it really mitigates the need for glove-only bench players.  Same with having so much positional flexibility.

As much as I'd hate to admit it, this roster really even makes Heyward a bit irrelevant.  He ends up being the defensive replacement.

This is a damn good team.

I noticed today that the Dodgers run differential despite their awesome record is well below that of what the Cubs managed last year. Unless they manage a +64 over their last 25 games (not looking likely) they will finish with a worse run differential than last year's Cubs, even if they'll end up winning more games. The Dodgers Pythagorean W-L record thru 137 is 89-48, last year's Cubs were 89-48 after 137 games but actually under-achieved their Pythagorean W-L by 4-5 games at the end of the year.

Long story short if the Cubs can get everyone back healthy in time for October, the Dodgers aren't even the juggernaut last year's Cubs were, and it still took everything they had to put away LA and Cleveland. REPEAT GONNA HAI*





*Proclamation not valid if Jon Lester still looks like warmed over dog shit, Jake is done, and Willson doesn't come back swinging. Or in Louisiana. Sorry IAN.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: Oleg on September 05, 2017, 12:01:37 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 05, 2017, 11:51:55 AM

Long story short if the Cubs can get everyone back healthy in time for October, the Dodgers aren't even the juggernaut last year's Cubs were, and it still took everything they had to put away LA and Cleveland. REPEAT GONNA HAI*


*Proclamation not valid if Jon Lester still looks like warmed over dog shit, Jake is done, and Willson doesn't come back swinging. Or in Louisiana. Sorry IAN.


2nd half Lester has been fine and I know the first half Lester happened and all that but his ERA took a major hit in that Mets debacle.  And, I think we can write off his last start to the injury. I have faith that he's fine and will be fine.

Arrieta already says that he intends to make his next start and, even if the Cubs don't let him, I'm guessing he's fine.

Willson is running the bases and I know you said he needs to hit but I don't think there is anything in his past that says he won't.  I have no idea what Louisiana has to do with anything but i wouldn't wish that on anyone.  Sorry, IAN.  Not sorry.

Basically, take your non-committal to this team being anything other than amazing and shove it!
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: SKO on September 05, 2017, 12:06:15 PM
Quote from: Oleg on September 05, 2017, 12:01:37 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 05, 2017, 11:51:55 AM

Long story short if the Cubs can get everyone back healthy in time for October, the Dodgers aren't even the juggernaut last year's Cubs were, and it still took everything they had to put away LA and Cleveland. REPEAT GONNA HAI*


*Proclamation not valid if Jon Lester still looks like warmed over dog shit, Jake is done, and Willson doesn't come back swinging. Or in Louisiana. Sorry IAN.


2nd half Lester has been fine and I know the first half Lester happened and all that but his ERA took a major hit in that Mets debacle.  And, I think we can write off his last start to the injury. I have faith that he's fine and will be fine.

Arrieta already says that he intends to make his next start and, even if the Cubs don't let him, I'm guessing he's fine.

Willson is running the bases and I know you said he needs to hit but I don't think there is anything in his past that says he won't.  I have no idea what Louisiana has to do with anything but i wouldn't wish that on anyone.  Sorry, IAN.  Not sorry.

Basically, take your non-committal to this team being anything other than amazing and shove it!

Fair enough. All I meant is I will absolutely take a healthy Cubs squad over the field again. I just need to see that health with my own eyes first. Honestly though anything after a division championship this year is gravy to me. You can't control October and they already got their ring so existential dread is gone regardless of what happens, I just didn't want them to end up in that graveyard of champions who failed to even make the playoffs/give Cardinals fans any reason to hope again. Plus not to go all TJ or Huey on us but wouldn't this be the first time the Cubs have made it to the postseason three straight years since the 1906-1908 run? I'd daresay that alone would be worth celebrating.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 05, 2017, 12:29:48 PM
Quote from: Oleg on September 05, 2017, 11:17:47 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 05, 2017, 09:17:51 AM
UPDATE:

Sure things:

SP Lester
SP Arrieta (knocks on wood)
SP Hendricks
SP Quintana
RP Davis
RP CEJ
RP Strop
RP Duensing
RP Montgomery
C WillyCon
C Avila
1B Rizzo
2B/SS Baez
SS/2B Russell
3B Bryant
LF Schwarber
CF Jay/Almora
RF Heyward
Bench: Zobrist, Happ, LaStella

Uehera may be pitching his way off the team and Wilson is maybe on the bubble, too, although i think the latter ends up turning his shit around and making it.  They really need him to so I think he'll get every available chance to earn it..

If Wilson's on, then that's 10, meaning there's room for at least 1 (maybe 2) more pitchers.  If they go with 2 more after that it'd probably be one from the following 2 groups: Grimm/Rondon and then Lackey/Uehara.  Though it'd be hilarious to see SKO utterly lose his shit if Lackey makes the roster, the truth is Uehara may be done and he's suddenly just as prone to give up a home run as Lackey.  Obviously, since this would be the 12th and final pitchers spot, the hope is that the person is not even needed but if it is, I could see them picking Lackey over Uehara since the former would have the ability to go several innings should a situation require it.

If they only go with 11 pitchers, and assuming Wilson is #10, then it'd be only one of those four (Grimm, Rondon, Uehara and Lackey).

If they do go with 11 pitchers, then that would open up 1 more spot on the bench and it would seem to come down to Rivera and Caratini.  In that case I'd prefer it be Caratini.  Carrying 3 catchers in the postseason is not common--last year's Cubs excepted and that's mainly because of the unusual situation with Ross--so the priority would be a bat and even though he's just a rookie, I'm fairly confident Caratini brings more potential on offense than Rivera.  That he would also serve as an emergency 3rd catcher would be nice insurance, but if he makes the roster, it's because they believe he can hit and I'd be okay with it.


Am I miscounting or is that only 22 players?

I think Wilson and Rondon or Uehara are sure bets.  If it's two of those 3, it leaves one spot.  I think they have plenty of bat on the bench...probably.  I'm guessing they go with a veteran catcher over Caratini.  Hopefully, whoever it is, isn't getting any major playing time in the playoffs anyway.

It is 22 players, which leaves 3 openings for Wilson/Rondon/Grimm/Uehara/Lackey/Bench Player to duke it out over.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on September 05, 2017, 12:31:42 PM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 05, 2017, 12:29:48 PM
Quote from: Oleg on September 05, 2017, 11:17:47 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 05, 2017, 09:17:51 AM
UPDATE:

Sure things:

SP Lester
SP Arrieta (knocks on wood)
SP Hendricks
SP Quintana
RP Davis
RP CEJ
RP Strop
RP Duensing
RP Montgomery
C WillyCon
C Avila
1B Rizzo
2B/SS Baez
SS/2B Russell
3B Bryant
LF Schwarber
CF Jay/Almora
RF Heyward
Bench: Zobrist, Happ, LaStella

Uehera may be pitching his way off the team and Wilson is maybe on the bubble, too, although i think the latter ends up turning his shit around and making it.  They really need him to so I think he'll get every available chance to earn it..

If Wilson's on, then that's 10, meaning there's room for at least 1 (maybe 2) more pitchers.  If they go with 2 more after that it'd probably be one from the following 2 groups: Grimm/Rondon and then Lackey/Uehara.  Though it'd be hilarious to see SKO utterly lose his shit if Lackey makes the roster, the truth is Uehara may be done and he's suddenly just as prone to give up a home run as Lackey.  Obviously, since this would be the 12th and final pitchers spot, the hope is that the person is not even needed but if it is, I could see them picking Lackey over Uehara since the former would have the ability to go several innings should a situation require it.

If they only go with 11 pitchers, and assuming Wilson is #10, then it'd be only one of those four (Grimm, Rondon, Uehara and Lackey).

If they do go with 11 pitchers, then that would open up 1 more spot on the bench and it would seem to come down to Rivera and Caratini.  In that case I'd prefer it be Caratini.  Carrying 3 catchers in the postseason is not common--last year's Cubs excepted and that's mainly because of the unusual situation with Ross--so the priority would be a bat and even though he's just a rookie, I'm fairly confident Caratini brings more potential on offense than Rivera.  That he would also serve as an emergency 3rd catcher would be nice insurance, but if he makes the roster, it's because they believe he can hit and I'd be okay with it.


Am I miscounting or is that only 22 players?

I think Wilson and Rondon or Uehara are sure bets.  If it's two of those 3, it leaves one spot.  I think they have plenty of bat on the bench...probably.  I'm guessing they go with a veteran catcher over Caratini.  Hopefully, whoever it is, isn't getting any major playing time in the playoffs anyway.

It is 22 players, which leaves 3 openings for Wilson/Rondon/Grimm/Uehara/Lackey/Bench Player to duke it out over.

Dillon Maples, female dogs!!!
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: SKO on September 05, 2017, 12:32:55 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 05, 2017, 12:31:42 PM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 05, 2017, 12:29:48 PM
Quote from: Oleg on September 05, 2017, 11:17:47 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 05, 2017, 09:17:51 AM
UPDATE:

Sure things:

SP Lester
SP Arrieta (knocks on wood)
SP Hendricks
SP Quintana
RP Davis
RP CEJ
RP Strop
RP Duensing
RP Montgomery
C WillyCon
C Avila
1B Rizzo
2B/SS Baez
SS/2B Russell
3B Bryant
LF Schwarber
CF Jay/Almora
RF Heyward
Bench: Zobrist, Happ, LaStella

Uehera may be pitching his way off the team and Wilson is maybe on the bubble, too, although i think the latter ends up turning his shit around and making it.  They really need him to so I think he'll get every available chance to earn it..

If Wilson's on, then that's 10, meaning there's room for at least 1 (maybe 2) more pitchers.  If they go with 2 more after that it'd probably be one from the following 2 groups: Grimm/Rondon and then Lackey/Uehara.  Though it'd be hilarious to see SKO utterly lose his shit if Lackey makes the roster, the truth is Uehara may be done and he's suddenly just as prone to give up a home run as Lackey.  Obviously, since this would be the 12th and final pitchers spot, the hope is that the person is not even needed but if it is, I could see them picking Lackey over Uehara since the former would have the ability to go several innings should a situation require it.

If they only go with 11 pitchers, and assuming Wilson is #10, then it'd be only one of those four (Grimm, Rondon, Uehara and Lackey).

If they do go with 11 pitchers, then that would open up 1 more spot on the bench and it would seem to come down to Rivera and Caratini.  In that case I'd prefer it be Caratini.  Carrying 3 catchers in the postseason is not common--last year's Cubs excepted and that's mainly because of the unusual situation with Ross--so the priority would be a bat and even though he's just a rookie, I'm fairly confident Caratini brings more potential on offense than Rivera.  That he would also serve as an emergency 3rd catcher would be nice insurance, but if he makes the roster, it's because they believe he can hit and I'd be okay with it.


Am I miscounting or is that only 22 players?

I think Wilson and Rondon or Uehara are sure bets.  If it's two of those 3, it leaves one spot.  I think they have plenty of bat on the bench...probably.  I'm guessing they go with a veteran catcher over Caratini.  Hopefully, whoever it is, isn't getting any major playing time in the playoffs anyway.

It is 22 players, which leaves 3 openings for Wilson/Rondon/Grimm/Uehara/Lackey/Bench Player to duke it out over.

Dillon Maples, female dogs!!!

I am all about giving Maples plenty of appearances in September to see how well his absolutely filthy stuff might translate.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: Quality Start Machine on September 05, 2017, 01:58:03 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 05, 2017, 12:32:55 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 05, 2017, 12:31:42 PM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 05, 2017, 12:29:48 PM
Quote from: Oleg on September 05, 2017, 11:17:47 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 05, 2017, 09:17:51 AM
UPDATE:

Sure things:

SP Lester
SP Arrieta (knocks on wood)
SP Hendricks
SP Quintana
RP Davis
RP CEJ
RP Strop
RP Duensing
RP Montgomery
C WillyCon
C Avila
1B Rizzo
2B/SS Baez
SS/2B Russell
3B Bryant
LF Schwarber
CF Jay/Almora
RF Heyward
Bench: Zobrist, Happ, LaStella

Uehera may be pitching his way off the team and Wilson is maybe on the bubble, too, although i think the latter ends up turning his shit around and making it.  They really need him to so I think he'll get every available chance to earn it..

If Wilson's on, then that's 10, meaning there's room for at least 1 (maybe 2) more pitchers.  If they go with 2 more after that it'd probably be one from the following 2 groups: Grimm/Rondon and then Lackey/Uehara.  Though it'd be hilarious to see SKO utterly lose his shit if Lackey makes the roster, the truth is Uehara may be done and he's suddenly just as prone to give up a home run as Lackey.  Obviously, since this would be the 12th and final pitchers spot, the hope is that the person is not even needed but if it is, I could see them picking Lackey over Uehara since the former would have the ability to go several innings should a situation require it.

If they only go with 11 pitchers, and assuming Wilson is #10, then it'd be only one of those four (Grimm, Rondon, Uehara and Lackey).

If they do go with 11 pitchers, then that would open up 1 more spot on the bench and it would seem to come down to Rivera and Caratini.  In that case I'd prefer it be Caratini.  Carrying 3 catchers in the postseason is not common--last year's Cubs excepted and that's mainly because of the unusual situation with Ross--so the priority would be a bat and even though he's just a rookie, I'm fairly confident Caratini brings more potential on offense than Rivera.  That he would also serve as an emergency 3rd catcher would be nice insurance, but if he makes the roster, it's because they believe he can hit and I'd be okay with it.


Am I miscounting or is that only 22 players?

I think Wilson and Rondon or Uehara are sure bets.  If it's two of those 3, it leaves one spot.  I think they have plenty of bat on the bench...probably.  I'm guessing they go with a veteran catcher over Caratini.  Hopefully, whoever it is, isn't getting any major playing time in the playoffs anyway.

It is 22 players, which leaves 3 openings for Wilson/Rondon/Grimm/Uehara/Lackey/Bench Player to duke it out over.

Dillon Maples, female dogs!!!

I am all about giving Maples plenty of appearances in September to see how well his absolutely filthy stuff might translate.

I don't know where he found that fucking slider, but the Cubs need to send everyone there.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 05, 2017, 02:36:02 PM
Another thought about the 25th roster spot, in the event that they carry only 11 pitchers and have room for one more position player.

I suppose it's possible that consideration could be given to Leonys Martin, if for no other reason than to use him in a late-game situation in a tied game as a pinch-runner for Schwarber or Zobrist or someone slow.  I know that's a rather extremely specific situation, but so is the notion if having a guy go 5 innings in relief or needing a 3rd catcher.  Because of the positional flexibility of their roster, they might decide that they can afford to keep this guy on it as a luxury for just such a scenario.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on September 05, 2017, 03:16:21 PM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 05, 2017, 02:36:02 PM
Another thought about the 25th roster spot, in the event that they carry only 11 pitchers and have room for one more position player.

I suppose it's possible that consideration could be given to Leonys Martin, if for no other reason than to use him in a late-game situation in a tied game as a pinch-runner for Schwarber or Zobrist or someone slow.  I know that's a rather extremely specific situation, but so is the notion if having guy go 5 innings in relief or needing a 3rd catcher.  Because of the positional flexibility of their roster, they might decide that they can afford to keep this guy on it r as a luxury for just such a scenario.

Might need him for mop-up duty.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: D. Doluntap on September 07, 2017, 07:09:11 AM
Leonys will be used like Dave Roberts to eliminate Dave Roberts.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 07, 2017, 08:37:24 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on September 07, 2017, 07:09:11 AM
Leonys will be used like Dave Roberts to eliminate Dave Roberts.

This is funny but in all seriousness the more I think about it the more I think this is the possibility.  Since there's no other player screaming to fill the 25th spot they well could put Martin on for some Herb Washington situations.  I mean, granted, Rene Rivera would've score on Avila's hit last night, but the fact is Martin got his ass right into scoring position with the winning run after coming in to pinch-run for Rizzo.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: PenFoe on September 07, 2017, 10:02:28 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 07, 2017, 08:37:24 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on September 07, 2017, 07:09:11 AM
Leonys will be used like Dave Roberts to eliminate Dave Roberts.

This is funny but in all seriousness the more I think about it the more I think this is the possibility.  Since there's no other playing screaming to fill the 25th spot they well could put Martin on for some Herb Washington situations.  I mean, granted, Rene Rivera would've score on Avila's hit last night, but the fact is Martin got his ass right into scoring position with the winning run after coming in to pinch-run for Rizzo.

Considering the magnitude of Almora's tag-up in Game 7, and that he provided limited value otherwise, I don't think it's that unreasonable to have a guy in the 25th spot who is primarily valued for baserunning.

Or they could just use Almora again in this role.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: SKO on September 07, 2017, 10:06:28 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 07, 2017, 10:02:28 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 07, 2017, 08:37:24 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on September 07, 2017, 07:09:11 AM
Leonys will be used like Dave Roberts to eliminate Dave Roberts.

This is funny but in all seriousness the more I think about it the more I think this is the possibility.  Since there's no other playing screaming to fill the 25th spot they well could put Martin on for some Herb Washington situations.  I mean, granted, Rene Rivera would've score on Avila's hit last night, but the fact is Martin got his ass right into scoring position with the winning run after coming in to pinch-run for Rizzo.

Considering the magnitude of Almora's tag-up in Game 7, and that he provided limited value otherwise, I don't think it's that unreasonable to have a guy in the 25th spot who is primarily valued for baserunning.

Or they could just use Almora again in this role.

That Almora play happened because he's smart and Rajai Davis has a terrible arm, I would not count on a repeat. He's not very fast to begin with and he's gotten slower since he bulked up to try and add power this offseason.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 07, 2017, 10:16:39 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 07, 2017, 10:06:28 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 07, 2017, 10:02:28 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 07, 2017, 08:37:24 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on September 07, 2017, 07:09:11 AM
Leonys will be used like Dave Roberts to eliminate Dave Roberts.

This is funny but in all seriousness the more I think about it the more I think this is the possibility.  Since there's no other playing screaming to fill the 25th spot they well could put Martin on for some Herb Washington situations.  I mean, granted, Rene Rivera would've score on Avila's hit last night, but the fact is Martin got his ass right into scoring position with the winning run after coming in to pinch-run for Rizzo.

Considering the magnitude of Almora's tag-up in Game 7, and that he provided limited value otherwise, I don't think it's that unreasonable to have a guy in the 25th spot who is primarily valued for baserunning.

Or they could just use Almora again in this role.

That Almora play happened because he's smart and Rajai Davis has a terrible arm, I would not count on a repeat. He's not very fast to begin with and he's gotten slower since he bulked up to try and add power this offseason.

Well, that, and plus I would expect Almora to contribute more on offense than he did last year.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: SKO on September 07, 2017, 10:18:42 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 07, 2017, 10:16:39 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 07, 2017, 10:06:28 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 07, 2017, 10:02:28 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 07, 2017, 08:37:24 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on September 07, 2017, 07:09:11 AM
Leonys will be used like Dave Roberts to eliminate Dave Roberts.

This is funny but in all seriousness the more I think about it the more I think this is the possibility.  Since there's no other playing screaming to fill the 25th spot they well could put Martin on for some Herb Washington situations.  I mean, granted, Rene Rivera would've score on Avila's hit last night, but the fact is Martin got his ass right into scoring position with the winning run after coming in to pinch-run for Rizzo.

Considering the magnitude of Almora's tag-up in Game 7, and that he provided limited value otherwise, I don't think it's that unreasonable to have a guy in the 25th spot who is primarily valued for baserunning.

Or they could just use Almora again in this role.

That Almora play happened because he's smart and Rajai Davis has a terrible arm, I would not count on a repeat. He's not very fast to begin with and he's gotten slower since he bulked up to try and add power this offseason.

Well, that, and plus I would expect Almora to contribute more on offense than he did last year.

Yeah the Cubs are likely to see a lot of lefties in the playoffs and Almora is one of their best against LHP (.350/.422/.505)
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: Quality Start Machine on September 07, 2017, 12:04:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 07, 2017, 10:18:42 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 07, 2017, 10:16:39 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 07, 2017, 10:06:28 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 07, 2017, 10:02:28 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 07, 2017, 08:37:24 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on September 07, 2017, 07:09:11 AM
Leonys will be used like Dave Roberts to eliminate Dave Roberts.

This is funny but in all seriousness the more I think about it the more I think this is the possibility.  Since there's no other playing screaming to fill the 25th spot they well could put Martin on for some Herb Washington situations.  I mean, granted, Rene Rivera would've score on Avila's hit last night, but the fact is Martin got his ass right into scoring position with the winning run after coming in to pinch-run for Rizzo.

Considering the magnitude of Almora's tag-up in Game 7, and that he provided limited value otherwise, I don't think it's that unreasonable to have a guy in the 25th spot who is primarily valued for baserunning.

Or they could just use Almora again in this role.

That Almora play happened because he's smart and Rajai Davis has a terrible arm, I would not count on a repeat. He's not very fast to begin with and he's gotten slower since he bulked up to try and add power this offseason.

Well, that, and plus I would expect Almora to contribute more on offense than he did last year.

Yeah the Cubs are likely to see a lot of lefties in the playoffs and Almora is one of their best against LHP (.350/.422/.505)

I eagerly await his 3HR game against Kershaw.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: R-V on September 07, 2017, 12:43:54 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 07, 2017, 10:18:42 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 07, 2017, 10:16:39 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 07, 2017, 10:06:28 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 07, 2017, 10:02:28 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 07, 2017, 08:37:24 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on September 07, 2017, 07:09:11 AM
Leonys will be used like Dave Roberts to eliminate Dave Roberts.

This is funny but in all seriousness the more I think about it the more I think this is the possibility.  Since there's no other playing screaming to fill the 25th spot they well could put Martin on for some Herb Washington situations.  I mean, granted, Rene Rivera would've score on Avila's hit last night, but the fact is Martin got his ass right into scoring position with the winning run after coming in to pinch-run for Rizzo.

Considering the magnitude of Almora's tag-up in Game 7, and that he provided limited value otherwise, I don't think it's that unreasonable to have a guy in the 25th spot who is primarily valued for baserunning.

Or they could just use Almora again in this role.

That Almora play happened because he's smart and Rajai Davis has a terrible arm, I would not count on a repeat. He's not very fast to begin with and he's gotten slower since he bulked up to try and add power this offseason.

Well, that, and plus I would expect Almora to contribute more on offense than he did last year.

Yeah the Cubs are likely to see a lot of lefties in the playoffs and Almora is one of their best against LHP (.350/.422/.505)

On that note, time to start spitballing playoff lineups. I'm assuming Russell doesn't end up coming back and SKO kidnaps Heyward to keep him away from Maddon. I'm admittedly deathly afraid of La Stella's defense but hopefully worth the tradeoff to get his bat in there against righties.

vs RHP
RF Jay
2B La Stella
3B Bryant
1B Rizzo
C Willson
LF Schwarber
CF Happ
SS Baez

vs LHP
RF Jay
3B Bryant
1B Rizzo
C Willson
LF Schwarber
CF Almora
2B Happ
SS Baez
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: SKO on September 07, 2017, 01:00:00 PM
Quote from: R-V on September 07, 2017, 12:43:54 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 07, 2017, 10:18:42 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 07, 2017, 10:16:39 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 07, 2017, 10:06:28 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 07, 2017, 10:02:28 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 07, 2017, 08:37:24 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on September 07, 2017, 07:09:11 AM
Leonys will be used like Dave Roberts to eliminate Dave Roberts.

This is funny but in all seriousness the more I think about it the more I think this is the possibility.  Since there's no other playing screaming to fill the 25th spot they well could put Martin on for some Herb Washington situations.  I mean, granted, Rene Rivera would've score on Avila's hit last night, but the fact is Martin got his ass right into scoring position with the winning run after coming in to pinch-run for Rizzo.

Considering the magnitude of Almora's tag-up in Game 7, and that he provided limited value otherwise, I don't think it's that unreasonable to have a guy in the 25th spot who is primarily valued for baserunning.

Or they could just use Almora again in this role.

That Almora play happened because he's smart and Rajai Davis has a terrible arm, I would not count on a repeat. He's not very fast to begin with and he's gotten slower since he bulked up to try and add power this offseason.

Well, that, and plus I would expect Almora to contribute more on offense than he did last year.

Yeah the Cubs are likely to see a lot of lefties in the playoffs and Almora is one of their best against LHP (.350/.422/.505)

On that note, time to start spitballing playoff lineups. I'm assuming Russell doesn't end up coming back and SKO kidnaps Heyward to keep him away from Maddon. I'm admittedly deathly afraid of La Stella's defense but hopefully worth the tradeoff to get his bat in there against righties.

vs RHP
RF Jay
2B La Stella
3B Bryant
1B Rizzo
C Willson
LF Schwarber
CF Happ
SS Baez

vs LHP
RF Jay
3B Bryant
1B Rizzo
C Willson
LF Schwarber
CF Almora
2B Happ
SS Baez

VS RHP do not rule out Joe putting Willson in LF, Schwarber in RF, Happ in CF so he can get Avila in at catcher. Pretty hard to bench a dude hitting .277/.400/.502 in 305 PA vs RHP this year.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: Brownie on September 07, 2017, 02:51:10 PM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 07, 2017, 08:37:24 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on September 07, 2017, 07:09:11 AM
Leonys will be used like Dave Roberts to eliminate Dave Roberts.

This is funny but in all seriousness the more I think about it the more I think this is the possibility.  Since there's no other player screaming to fill the 25th spot they well could put Martin on for some Herb Washington situations.  I mean, granted, Rene Rivera would've score on Avila's hit last night, but the fact is Martin got his ass right into scoring position with the winning run after coming in to pinch-run for Rizzo.

I agree with this, but you had to bring up Herb Washington vs. the Dodgers... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWb80Qz75bk)
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on September 07, 2017, 02:52:55 PM
Quote from: R-V on September 07, 2017, 12:43:54 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 07, 2017, 10:18:42 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 07, 2017, 10:16:39 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 07, 2017, 10:06:28 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 07, 2017, 10:02:28 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 07, 2017, 08:37:24 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on September 07, 2017, 07:09:11 AM
Leonys will be used like Dave Roberts to eliminate Dave Roberts.

This is funny but in all seriousness the more I think about it the more I think this is the possibility.  Since there's no other playing screaming to fill the 25th spot they well could put Martin on for some Herb Washington situations.  I mean, granted, Rene Rivera would've score on Avila's hit last night, but the fact is Martin got his ass right into scoring position with the winning run after coming in to pinch-run for Rizzo.

Considering the magnitude of Almora's tag-up in Game 7, and that he provided limited value otherwise, I don't think it's that unreasonable to have a guy in the 25th spot who is primarily valued for baserunning.

Or they could just use Almora again in this role.

That Almora play happened because he's smart and Rajai Davis has a terrible arm, I would not count on a repeat. He's not very fast to begin with and he's gotten slower since he bulked up to try and add power this offseason.

Well, that, and plus I would expect Almora to contribute more on offense than he did last year.

Yeah the Cubs are likely to see a lot of lefties in the playoffs and Almora is one of their best against LHP (.350/.422/.505)

On that note, time to start spitballing playoff lineups. I'm assuming Russell doesn't end up coming back and SKO kidnaps Heyward to keep him away from Maddon. I'm admittedly deathly afraid of La Stella's defense but hopefully worth the tradeoff to get his bat in there against righties.

vs RHP
RF Jay
2B La Stella
3B Bryant
1B Rizzo
C Willson
LF Schwarber
CF Happ
SS Baez

vs LHP
RF Jay
3B Bryant
1B Rizzo
C Willson
LF Schwarber
CF Almora
2B Happ
SS Baez

Does Ben Zobrist not  ,,,,,,,,,,,,, feel alive anymore in this scenario?
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: D. Doluntap on September 07, 2017, 04:53:45 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 07, 2017, 01:00:00 PM
Quote from: R-V on September 07, 2017, 12:43:54 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 07, 2017, 10:18:42 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 07, 2017, 10:16:39 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 07, 2017, 10:06:28 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 07, 2017, 10:02:28 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 07, 2017, 08:37:24 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on September 07, 2017, 07:09:11 AM
Leonys will be used like Dave Roberts to eliminate Dave Roberts.

This is funny but in all seriousness the more I think about it the more I think this is the possibility.  Since there's no other playing screaming to fill the 25th spot they well could put Martin on for some Herb Washington situations.  I mean, granted, Rene Rivera would've score on Avila's hit last night, but the fact is Martin got his ass right into scoring position with the winning run after coming in to pinch-run for Rizzo.

Considering the magnitude of Almora's tag-up in Game 7, and that he provided limited value otherwise, I don't think it's that unreasonable to have a guy in the 25th spot who is primarily valued for baserunning.

Or they could just use Almora again in this role.

That Almora play happened because he's smart and Rajai Davis has a terrible arm, I would not count on a repeat. He's not very fast to begin with and he's gotten slower since he bulked up to try and add power this offseason.

Well, that, and plus I would expect Almora to contribute more on offense than he did last year.

Yeah the Cubs are likely to see a lot of lefties in the playoffs and Almora is one of their best against LHP (.350/.422/.505)

On that note, time to start spitballing playoff lineups. I'm assuming Russell doesn't end up coming back and SKO kidnaps Heyward to keep him away from Maddon. I'm admittedly deathly afraid of La Stella's defense but hopefully worth the tradeoff to get his bat in there against righties.

vs RHP
RF Jay
2B La Stella
3B Bryant
1B Rizzo
C Willson
LF Schwarber
CF Happ
SS Baez

vs LHP
RF Jay
3B Bryant
1B Rizzo
C Willson
LF Schwarber
CF Almora
2B Happ
SS Baez

VS RHP do not rule out Joe putting Willson in LF, Schwarber in RF, Happ in CF so he can get Avila in at catcher. Pretty hard to bench a dude hitting .277/.400/.502 in 305 PA vs RHP this year.

With Zobrist/LaSTELLA at 2B (assuming Russell is out), that's a pretty badass lineup. Yakety Sax might start playing if the ball is hit to the outfield, but you can win games 12-10, too.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: R-V on September 14, 2017, 10:32:14 AM
What in tarnation should bullpen usage look like in the postseason? Other than asking Wade to throw 50 pitches anytime they have a lead I'm at a loss. Carl, Strop, Montgomery and Duensing are probably the guys I "trust" the "most" I guess.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 14, 2017, 11:18:18 AM
Quote from: R-V on September 14, 2017, 10:32:14 AM
What in tarnation should bullpen usage look like in the postseason? Other than asking Wade to throw 50 pitches anytime they have a lead I'm at a loss. Carl, Strop, Montgomery and Duensing are probably the guys I "trust" the "most" I guess.

Since last we fucked around with the final spots I'd say Rondon and Lackey have solidified their spots and if they go with 11 Pitchers we call it a day-so long Uehara, Grimm and Wilson.  That would also open up 1 more bench spot for Caratini or Rivera.

If they go with 12 pitchers then it would seem, from today's perspective, that Uehara, Grimm and Wilson would duke it out.  In my book it would really come down to Uehara and Wilson.  I think Grimm is toast.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 14, 2017, 11:22:13 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 14, 2017, 11:18:18 AM
Quote from: R-V on September 14, 2017, 10:32:14 AM
What in tarnation should bullpen usage look like in the postseason? Other than asking Wade to throw 50 pitches anytime they have a lead I'm at a loss. Carl, Strop, Montgomery and Duensing are probably the guys I "trust" the "most" I guess.

Since last we fucked around with the final spots I'd say Rondon and Lackey have solidified their spots and if they go with 11 Pitchers we call it a day-so long Uehara, Grimm and Wilson.  That would also open up 1 more bench spot for Caratini or Rivera.

If they go with 12 pitchers then it would seem, from today's perspective, that Uehara, Grim and Wilson would duke it out.  In my book it would really come down to Uehara and Wilson.  I think Grimm is toast.

SQDPD--

As for RV's angst, I don't know that they're any worse off than last year's bullpen.  Remember that at the very end Joe relied on nobody besides Chapman for high-leverage spots (Game 7 excepted and that's because he had no choice).

If Joe can trust Strop more than he did last year, you've got generally reliable bullpen arms in Edwards, Strop, Monty and Duensing--2 righties and 2 lefties behind Davis.  Not too many playoff teams enjoy the prospect of going beyond a 5th reliever anyway so...
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: Brownie on September 15, 2017, 10:35:07 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 14, 2017, 11:22:13 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 14, 2017, 11:18:18 AM
Quote from: R-V on September 14, 2017, 10:32:14 AM
What in tarnation should bullpen usage look like in the postseason? Other than asking Wade to throw 50 pitches anytime they have a lead I'm at a loss. Carl, Strop, Montgomery and Duensing are probably the guys I "trust" the "most" I guess.

Since last we fucked around with the final spots I'd say Rondon and Lackey have solidified their spots and if they go with 11 Pitchers we call it a day-so long Uehara, Grimm and Wilson.  That would also open up 1 more bench spot for Caratini or Rivera.

If they go with 12 pitchers then it would seem, from today's perspective, that Uehara, Grim and Wilson would duke it out.  In my book it would really come down to Uehara and Wilson.  I think Grimm is toast.

SQDPD--

As for RV's angst, I don't know that they're any worse off than last year's bullpen.  Remember that at the very end Joe relied on nobody besides Chapman for high-leverage spots (Game 7 excepted and that's because he had no choice).

If Joe can trust Strop more than he did last year, you've got generally reliable bullpen arms in Edwards, Strop, Monty and Duensing--2 righties and 2 lefties behind Davis.  Not too many playoff teams enjoy the prospect of going beyond a 5th reliever anyway so...

And why wouldn't he? Strop was coming off of a knee injury at the end of the regular season last year.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: SKO on September 15, 2017, 10:40:56 AM
Quote from: Brownie on September 15, 2017, 10:35:07 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 14, 2017, 11:22:13 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 14, 2017, 11:18:18 AM
Quote from: R-V on September 14, 2017, 10:32:14 AM
What in tarnation should bullpen usage look like in the postseason? Other than asking Wade to throw 50 pitches anytime they have a lead I'm at a loss. Carl, Strop, Montgomery and Duensing are probably the guys I "trust" the "most" I guess.

Since last we fucked around with the final spots I'd say Rondon and Lackey have solidified their spots and if they go with 11 Pitchers we call it a day-so long Uehara, Grimm and Wilson.  That would also open up 1 more bench spot for Caratini or Rivera.

If they go with 12 pitchers then it would seem, from today's perspective, that Uehara, Grim and Wilson would duke it out.  In my book it would really come down to Uehara and Wilson.  I think Grimm is toast.

SQDPD--

As for RV's angst, I don't know that they're any worse off than last year's bullpen.  Remember that at the very end Joe relied on nobody besides Chapman for high-leverage spots (Game 7 excepted and that's because he had no choice).

If Joe can trust Strop more than he did last year, you've got generally reliable bullpen arms in Edwards, Strop, Monty and Duensing--2 righties and 2 lefties behind Davis.  Not too many playoff teams enjoy the prospect of going beyond a 5th reliever anyway so...

And why wouldn't he? Strop was coming off of a knee injury at the end of the regular season last year.

Yeah honestly the only question I have is if Davis can hold up for multi-inning outings, otherwise I'd say they're in about the same spot bullpen wise as last October. With off days there's really no reason you couldn't use the same 1-2 relievers in just about every postseason game.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: R-V on September 18, 2017, 12:49:45 PM
Projecting out the rotation through the NLDS based on today's announcement that Montgomery & Lester will go in TB...

(https://i.imgur.com/YJSnFrR.jpg)
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: SKO on September 18, 2017, 12:56:13 PM
Quote from: R-V on September 18, 2017, 12:49:45 PM
Projecting out the rotation through the NLDS based on today's announcement that Montgomery & Lester will go in TB...

(https://i.imgur.com/YJSnFrR.jpg)

I think they'll re-shuffle. Depends on how Jake looks when he gets back but I think they'd be dumb not to start Hendricks in G1 right now. If Arrieta comes back and looks like he did before getting hurt I'd go Arrieta/Hendricks/Quintana/Lester.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 18, 2017, 01:26:58 PM
Quote from: R-V on September 18, 2017, 12:49:45 PM
Projecting out the rotation through the NLDS based on today's announcement that Montgomery & Lester will go in TB...

(https://i.imgur.com/YJSnFrR.jpg)

I'm not sure why they're giving Montgomery a start if Arrieta is slated to come back this weekend, which he could still do without giving Monty a start (it'd just be Saturday instead of Sunday).  You could go Lester tomorrow on 5 days rest, with Lackey, Hendricks and Q going on 4.  I know this is a mighty fine hair to split, but I'd rather Lester line up for Milwaukee on Sunday.  Whateveer, I suppose.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: R-V on September 18, 2017, 01:27:55 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 18, 2017, 12:56:13 PM
Quote from: R-V on September 18, 2017, 12:49:45 PM
Projecting out the rotation through the NLDS based on today's announcement that Montgomery & Lester will go in TB...

(https://i.imgur.com/YJSnFrR.jpg)

I think they'll re-shuffle. Depends on how Jake looks when he gets back but I think they'd be dumb not to start Hendricks in G1 right now. If Arrieta comes back and looks like he did before getting hurt I'd go Arrieta/Hendricks/Quintana/Lester.

Fair point on Hendricks but absent a couple of blowups over his remaining starts, I can't imagine them pushing Lester further back than Game 2.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: SKO on September 18, 2017, 01:33:02 PM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 18, 2017, 01:26:58 PM
Quote from: R-V on September 18, 2017, 12:49:45 PM
Projecting out the rotation through the NLDS based on today's announcement that Montgomery & Lester will go in TB...

(https://i.imgur.com/YJSnFrR.jpg)

I'm not sure why they're giving Montgomery a start if Arrieta is slated to come back this weekend, which he could still do without giving Monty a start (it'd just be Saturday instead of Sunday).  You could go Lester tomorrow on 5 days rest, with Lackey, Hendricks and Q going on 4.  I know this is a mighty fine hair to split, but I'd rather Lester line up for Milwaukee on Sunday.  Whateveer, I suppose.

I think they're looking for a platoon advantage in the Brewers series. They intentionally stacked it so they'd throw 3 righties at them. Looking at the numbers the Brewers only have two regulars who are straight up lefties (Thames and Shaw) so you'd think they'd fare worse vs RHP than LHP, but they have basically a 100 OPS+ against both RHP and LHP. Perhaps they've struggled mightily against RHP more recently during their sh-tty second half and their numbers overall are just being buoyed by a first half where they all hit over their heads for a few months.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: Brownie on September 18, 2017, 02:21:33 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 18, 2017, 01:33:02 PM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 18, 2017, 01:26:58 PM
Quote from: R-V on September 18, 2017, 12:49:45 PM
Projecting out the rotation through the NLDS based on today's announcement that Montgomery & Lester will go in TB...

(https://i.imgur.com/YJSnFrR.jpg)

I'm not sure why they're giving Montgomery a start if Arrieta is slated to come back this weekend, which he could still do without giving Monty a start (it'd just be Saturday instead of Sunday).  You could go Lester tomorrow on 5 days rest, with Lackey, Hendricks and Q going on 4.  I know this is a mighty fine hair to split, but I'd rather Lester line up for Milwaukee on Sunday.  Whateveer, I suppose.

Yes, I think Lester also matches up well vs. St. Louis.

It says here they split in Tampa, and SWEEP, yes sweep, the Beermakers. At worst, that clinches a tie with Milwaukee and puts magic # over Cardinals at 3 with Lester plus the same 3 pitchers the Cardinals just saw with limited success coming into Busch Stadium. (this assumes the Cardinals sweep the Reds and Pirates and the Brewers sweep at PNC; if they lose a couple, the Cubs could clinch at Miller Park, which would be nice because it's fun for the Cubs to win in front of their own fans.

Quite likely, the last turns in the rotation will be for them all to get 3-6 innings in before allowing the Iowa Cubs play some Major League competition/.

I think they're looking for a platoon advantage in the Brewers series. They intentionally stacked it so they'd throw 3 righties at them. Looking at the numbers the Brewers only have two regulars who are straight up lefties (Thames and Shaw) so you'd think they'd fare worse vs RHP than LHP, but they have basically a 100 OPS+ against both RHP and LHP. Perhaps they've struggled mightily against RHP more recently during their sh-tty second half and their numbers overall are just being buoyed by a first half where they all hit over their heads for a few months.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 19, 2017, 09:13:20 AM
We'll see what this remaining 13-day sprint happens beginning today with Wilson, but seeing him come into that game Friday and strike out one of the toughest batters in baseball with practically no margin for error (particularly when he threw 2 straight balls to let the count get to 3-2) leads me to believe that he will get at least one shot to that in the playoffs meaning he's probably on--at least for the 1st round.

Rondon could still blow it down the stretch but he'd have to so in order to lose the job to Uehara or a bench player.

I really think Uehara is off, at least in the first round, and that's that.  Rivera, Caratini and Grimm can keep his seat in the stands warm.  Martin too.

The discussion can pretty much be steered to lineups/playing time now....while I don't wish to overstate the importance of a leadoff hitter, you still don't want a guy with shitty on-base skills.  However I also don't think Joe should put Schwarber and Rizzo there either.  And Jon Jay should not really be getting any starts in the playoffs (maybe 1) and so if you think a leadoff hitter is important, it seems that Zobrist might have to be in the lineup just for that reason.  And if he's going to be there to bat leadoff and set the table for the big boys (even though his numbers don't shine as well from leadoff in his career, he's still the best option IMO) he has to do so at the expense of Heyward.  I'm nervous about Zobrist manning RF on a consistent basis but that'd be the only spot to put him  (unless you put Bryant in RF with Baez at 3rd which didn't happen once last postseason).

Happ, LaStella, Jay and Avila make a solid bench, and Heyward of course would make a helluva late-inning defensive replacement.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on September 19, 2017, 09:25:23 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 19, 2017, 09:13:20 AM
We'll see what this remaining 13-day sprint happens beginning today with Wilson, but seeing him come into that game Friday and strike out one of the toughest batters in baseball with practically no margin for error (particularly when he threw 2 straight balls to let the count get to 3-2) leads me to believe that he will get at least one shot to that in the playoffs meaning he's probably on--at least for the 1st round.

Rondon could still blow it down the stretch but he'd have to so in order to lose the job to Uehara or a bench player.

I really think Uehara is off, at least in the first round, and that's that.  Rivera, Caratini and Grimm can keep his seat in the stands warm.  Martin too.

The discussion can pretty much be steered to lineups/playing time now....while I don't wish to overstate the importance of a leadoff hitter, you still don't want a guy with shitty on-base skills.  However I also don't think Joe should put Schwarber and Rizzo there either.  And Jon Jay should not really be getting any starts in the playoffs (maybe 1) and so if you think a leadoff hitter is important, it seems that Zobrist might have to be in the lineup just for that reason.  And if he's going to be there to bat leadoff and set the table for the big boys (even though his numbers don't shine as well from leadoff in his career, he's still the best option IMO) he has to do so at the expense of Heyward.  I'm nervous about Zobrist manning RF on a consistent basis but that'd be the only spot to put him  (unless you put Bryant in RF with Baez at 3rd which didn't happen once last postseason).

Happ, LaStella, Jay and Avila make a solid bench, and Heyward of course would make a helluva late-inning defensive replacement.

There's a decent shot Schwarber is the odd man out. Almora in center over Jay. Happ in left with Baez and Russell on the infield.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: SKO on September 19, 2017, 09:31:50 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 19, 2017, 09:25:23 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 19, 2017, 09:13:20 AM
We'll see what this remaining 13-day sprint happens beginning today with Wilson, but seeing him come into that game Friday and strike out one of the toughest batters in baseball with practically no margin for error (particularly when he threw 2 straight balls to let the count get to 3-2) leads me to believe that he will get at least one shot to that in the playoffs meaning he's probably on--at least for the 1st round.

Rondon could still blow it down the stretch but he'd have to so in order to lose the job to Uehara or a bench player.

I really think Uehara is off, at least in the first round, and that's that.  Rivera, Caratini and Grimm can keep his seat in the stands warm.  Martin too.

The discussion can pretty much be steered to lineups/playing time now....while I don't wish to overstate the importance of a leadoff hitter, you still don't want a guy with shitty on-base skills.  However I also don't think Joe should put Schwarber and Rizzo there either.  And Jon Jay should not really be getting any starts in the playoffs (maybe 1) and so if you think a leadoff hitter is important, it seems that Zobrist might have to be in the lineup just for that reason.  And if he's going to be there to bat leadoff and set the table for the big boys (even though his numbers don't shine as well from leadoff in his career, he's still the best option IMO) he has to do so at the expense of Heyward.  I'm nervous about Zobrist manning RF on a consistent basis but that'd be the only spot to put him  (unless you put Bryant in RF with Baez at 3rd which didn't happen once last postseason).

Happ, LaStella, Jay and Avila make a solid bench, and Heyward of course would make a helluva late-inning defensive replacement.

There's a decent shot Schwarber is the odd man out. Almora in center over Jay. Happ in left with Baez and Russell on the infield.

No, Chuck.

I should stop there, but what fucking goddamned drain cleaner are you chugging that makes even your addled, diseased brain think  the guy with a .294/.351/.588/.940 line in September (and a .238/.340/.512/.858 line in August and a .250/.333/.607/.940 line in July etc.) is the one who'll get left off of the fucking roster? Jesus wept you really are just the shit-kicking worst.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 19, 2017, 09:37:43 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 19, 2017, 09:25:23 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 19, 2017, 09:13:20 AM
We'll see what this remaining 13-day sprint happens beginning today with Wilson, but seeing him come into that game Friday and strike out one of the toughest batters in baseball with practically no margin for error (particularly when he threw 2 straight balls to let the count get to 3-2) leads me to believe that he will get at least one shot to that in the playoffs meaning he's probably on--at least for the 1st round.

Rondon could still blow it down the stretch but he'd have to so in order to lose the job to Uehara or a bench player.

I really think Uehara is off, at least in the first round, and that's that.  Rivera, Caratini and Grimm can keep his seat in the stands warm.  Martin too.

The discussion can pretty much be steered to lineups/playing time now....while I don't wish to overstate the importance of a leadoff hitter, you still don't want a guy with shitty on-base skills.  However I also don't think Joe should put Schwarber and Rizzo there either.  And Jon Jay should not really be getting any starts in the playoffs (maybe 1) and so if you think a leadoff hitter is important, it seems that Zobrist might have to be in the lineup just for that reason.  And if he's going to be there to bat leadoff and set the table for the big boys (even though his numbers don't shine as well from leadoff in his career, he's still the best option IMO) he has to do so at the expense of Heyward.  I'm nervous about Zobrist manning RF on a consistent basis but that'd be the only spot to put him  (unless you put Bryant in RF with Baez at 3rd which didn't happen once last postseason).

Happ, LaStella, Jay and Avila make a solid bench, and Heyward of course would make a helluva late-inning defensive replacement.

There's a decent shot Schwarber is the odd man out. Almora in center over Jay. Happ in left with Baez and Russell on the infield.

Yeah no that won't happen--at worst he'll split PT with Happ but he's not "out" like LaStella or Jay and can be expected to get more than the 1 start that those two might get.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 19, 2017, 09:39:57 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2017, 09:31:50 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 19, 2017, 09:25:23 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 19, 2017, 09:13:20 AM
We'll see what this remaining 13-day sprint happens beginning today with Wilson, but seeing him come into that game Friday and strike out one of the toughest batters in baseball with practically no margin for error (particularly when he threw 2 straight balls to let the count get to 3-2) leads me to believe that he will get at least one shot to that in the playoffs meaning he's probably on--at least for the 1st round.

Rondon could still blow it down the stretch but he'd have to so in order to lose the job to Uehara or a bench player.

I really think Uehara is off, at least in the first round, and that's that.  Rivera, Caratini and Grimm can keep his seat in the stands warm.  Martin too.

The discussion can pretty much be steered to lineups/playing time now....while I don't wish to overstate the importance of a leadoff hitter, you still don't want a guy with shitty on-base skills.  However I also don't think Joe should put Schwarber and Rizzo there either.  And Jon Jay should not really be getting any starts in the playoffs (maybe 1) and so if you think a leadoff hitter is important, it seems that Zobrist might have to be in the lineup just for that reason.  And if he's going to be there to bat leadoff and set the table for the big boys (even though his numbers don't shine as well from leadoff in his career, he's still the best option IMO) he has to do so at the expense of Heyward.  I'm nervous about Zobrist manning RF on a consistent basis but that'd be the only spot to put him  (unless you put Bryant in RF with Baez at 3rd which didn't happen once last postseason).

Happ, LaStella, Jay and Avila make a solid bench, and Heyward of course would make a helluva late-inning defensive replacement.

There's a decent shot Schwarber is the odd man out. Almora in center over Jay. Happ in left with Baez and Russell on the infield.

No, Chuck.

I should stop there, but what fucking goddamned drain cleaner are you chugging that makes even your addled, diseased brain think  the guy with a .294/.351/.588/.940 line in September (and a .238/.340/.512/.858 line in August and a .250/.333/.607/.940 line in July etc.) is the one who'll get left off of the fucking roster? Jesus wept you really are just the shit-kicking worst.

DPD.

Just so we're clear, not even Chuck is saying to leave him off the roster but rather, simply the "everyday" lineup, such as it is.  Still wrong tho.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: SKO on September 19, 2017, 09:43:48 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 19, 2017, 09:39:57 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2017, 09:31:50 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 19, 2017, 09:25:23 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 19, 2017, 09:13:20 AM
We'll see what this remaining 13-day sprint happens beginning today with Wilson, but seeing him come into that game Friday and strike out one of the toughest batters in baseball with practically no margin for error (particularly when he threw 2 straight balls to let the count get to 3-2) leads me to believe that he will get at least one shot to that in the playoffs meaning he's probably on--at least for the 1st round.

Rondon could still blow it down the stretch but he'd have to so in order to lose the job to Uehara or a bench player.

I really think Uehara is off, at least in the first round, and that's that.  Rivera, Caratini and Grimm can keep his seat in the stands warm.  Martin too.

The discussion can pretty much be steered to lineups/playing time now....while I don't wish to overstate the importance of a leadoff hitter, you still don't want a guy with shitty on-base skills.  However I also don't think Joe should put Schwarber and Rizzo there either.  And Jon Jay should not really be getting any starts in the playoffs (maybe 1) and so if you think a leadoff hitter is important, it seems that Zobrist might have to be in the lineup just for that reason.  And if he's going to be there to bat leadoff and set the table for the big boys (even though his numbers don't shine as well from leadoff in his career, he's still the best option IMO) he has to do so at the expense of Heyward.  I'm nervous about Zobrist manning RF on a consistent basis but that'd be the only spot to put him  (unless you put Bryant in RF with Baez at 3rd which didn't happen once last postseason).

Happ, LaStella, Jay and Avila make a solid bench, and Heyward of course would make a helluva late-inning defensive replacement.

There's a decent shot Schwarber is the odd man out. Almora in center over Jay. Happ in left with Baez and Russell on the infield.

No, Chuck.

I should stop there, but what fucking goddamned drain cleaner are you chugging that makes even your addled, diseased brain think  the guy with a .294/.351/.588/.940 line in September (and a .238/.340/.512/.858 line in August and a .250/.333/.607/.940 line in July etc.) is the one who'll get left off of the fucking roster? Jesus wept you really are just the shit-kicking worst.

DPD.

Just so we're clear, not even Chuck is saying to leave him off the roster but rather, simply the "everyday" lineup, such as it is.  Still wrong tho.

Yeah that's still very wrong, but my urge to kill is fading. Against RHP the lineup in Oct should be : Zobrist 2B/Bryant RF/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Schwarber LF/Happ CF/Baez 3B/Russell SS. Sub in Heyward when you have a lead, you can always move Contreras to LF and pinch hit Avila in a big spot if needed. Jay can sub in, etc.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on September 19, 2017, 09:48:02 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2017, 09:31:50 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 19, 2017, 09:25:23 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 19, 2017, 09:13:20 AM
We'll see what this remaining 13-day sprint happens beginning today with Wilson, but seeing him come into that game Friday and strike out one of the toughest batters in baseball with practically no margin for error (particularly when he threw 2 straight balls to let the count get to 3-2) leads me to believe that he will get at least one shot to that in the playoffs meaning he's probably on--at least for the 1st round.

Rondon could still blow it down the stretch but he'd have to so in order to lose the job to Uehara or a bench player.

I really think Uehara is off, at least in the first round, and that's that.  Rivera, Caratini and Grimm can keep his seat in the stands warm.  Martin too.

The discussion can pretty much be steered to lineups/playing time now....while I don't wish to overstate the importance of a leadoff hitter, you still don't want a guy with shitty on-base skills.  However I also don't think Joe should put Schwarber and Rizzo there either.  And Jon Jay should not really be getting any starts in the playoffs (maybe 1) and so if you think a leadoff hitter is important, it seems that Zobrist might have to be in the lineup just for that reason.  And if he's going to be there to bat leadoff and set the table for the big boys (even though his numbers don't shine as well from leadoff in his career, he's still the best option IMO) he has to do so at the expense of Heyward.  I'm nervous about Zobrist manning RF on a consistent basis but that'd be the only spot to put him  (unless you put Bryant in RF with Baez at 3rd which didn't happen once last postseason).

Happ, LaStella, Jay and Avila make a solid bench, and Heyward of course would make a helluva late-inning defensive replacement.

There's a decent shot Schwarber is the odd man out. Almora in center over Jay. Happ in left with Baez and Russell on the infield.

No, Chuck.

I should stop there, but what fucking goddamned drain cleaner are you chugging that makes even your addled, diseased brain think  the guy with a .294/.351/.588/.940 line in September (and a .238/.340/.512/.858 line in August and a .250/.333/.607/.940 line in July etc.) is the one who'll get left off of the fucking roster? Jesus wept you really are just the shit-kicking worst.

Not off the roster you dope. Just on the bench.

Almora's September: .387/.387/.742/1.129.  And Joe plays defense over offense.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: SKO on September 19, 2017, 09:49:41 AM
More realistically I accept that Heyward's somewhat encouraging bat of late means he's probably a lock vs RHP so I'm guessing:

vs RHP: Zobrist 2B/Bryant 3B/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Schwarber LF/Russell SS/Happ CF/Heyward RF
vs LHP: Zobrist LF/Bryant 3B/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Baez 2B/Almora CF/Russell SS/Happ RF

I would expect Joe to pinch hit and sub even more liberally than before because Avila/Rivera (vs LHP anyway)/La Stella/Jay make a pretty solid bench.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: SKO on September 19, 2017, 09:51:04 AM
In the playoffs with scoring harder to come by I think the value of a potential Schwarber Dong (and lest we forget he is tied w Bryant/Rizzo in all time playoff homers for the Cubs despite missing two entire series that they played) outweighs whatever potential improvements Almora or Jay might offer defensively, and in the second half at least he's gotten on base better than both have.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: Brownie on September 19, 2017, 09:53:30 AM
Pitchers are still scared of Schwarber (almost as scared of him as they are of Rizzo and Bryant), and he's given them something to fear of late. He starts vs. RHs.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 19, 2017, 09:53:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2017, 09:43:48 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 19, 2017, 09:39:57 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2017, 09:31:50 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 19, 2017, 09:25:23 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 19, 2017, 09:13:20 AM
We'll see what this remaining 13-day sprint happens beginning today with Wilson, but seeing him come into that game Friday and strike out one of the toughest batters in baseball with practically no margin for error (particularly when he threw 2 straight balls to let the count get to 3-2) leads me to believe that he will get at least one shot to that in the playoffs meaning he's probably on--at least for the 1st round.

Rondon could still blow it down the stretch but he'd have to so in order to lose the job to Uehara or a bench player.

I really think Uehara is off, at least in the first round, and that's that.  Rivera, Caratini and Grimm can keep his seat in the stands warm.  Martin too.

The discussion can pretty much be steered to lineups/playing time now....while I don't wish to overstate the importance of a leadoff hitter, you still don't want a guy with shitty on-base skills.  However I also don't think Joe should put Schwarber and Rizzo there either.  And Jon Jay should not really be getting any starts in the playoffs (maybe 1) and so if you think a leadoff hitter is important, it seems that Zobrist might have to be in the lineup just for that reason.  And if he's going to be there to bat leadoff and set the table for the big boys (even though his numbers don't shine as well from leadoff in his career, he's still the best option IMO) he has to do so at the expense of Heyward.  I'm nervous about Zobrist manning RF on a consistent basis but that'd be the only spot to put him  (unless you put Bryant in RF with Baez at 3rd which didn't happen once last postseason).

Happ, LaStella, Jay and Avila make a solid bench, and Heyward of course would make a helluva late-inning defensive replacement.

There's a decent shot Schwarber is the odd man out. Almora in center over Jay. Happ in left with Baez and Russell on the infield.

No, Chuck.

I should stop there, but what fucking goddamned drain cleaner are you chugging that makes even your addled, diseased brain think  the guy with a .294/.351/.588/.940 line in September (and a .238/.340/.512/.858 line in August and a .250/.333/.607/.940 line in July etc.) is the one who'll get left off of the fucking roster? Jesus wept you really are just the shit-kicking worst.

DPD.

Just so we're clear, not even Chuck is saying to leave him off the roster but rather, simply the "everyday" lineup, such as it is.  Still wrong tho.

Yeah that's still very wrong, but my urge to kill is fading. Against RHP the lineup in Oct should be : Zobrist 2B/Bryant RF/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Schwarber LF/Happ CF/Baez 3B/Russell SS. Sub in Heyward when you have a lead, you can always move Contreras to LF and pinch hit Avila in a big spot if needed. Jay can sub in, etc.


Okay, just so you know Bryant didn't play an inning of OF once the playoffs began last year--just pointing that out.  I remember thinking it was odd since he so freely played out there during the regular season but in the playoffs he didn't.  Same would have been true of this regular season but for the time Heyward had a sore wrist and missed 10 days-2 weeks.  I'm sure Bryant could handle it but I don't know if Joe will all of a sudden do it after he didn't do it last postseason and did it only 9 times this season.  

At the same time it also wouldn't be unprecedented for Joe to sit Heyward.  Remember that Almora was actually the starting Right Fielder in the pennant-clinching game vs. Kershaw and Soler got 2 (3?) starts over Heyward in the Series.  I still don't see Joe benching him the ENTIRE postseason though  even if he really should.  Not doing so is why these discussions are a challenge.

Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: R-V on September 19, 2017, 09:56:20 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2017, 09:49:41 AM
More realistically I accept that Heyward's somewhat encouraging bat of late means he's probably a lock vs RHP so I'm guessing:

vs RHP: Zobrist 2B/Bryant 3B/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Schwarber LF/Russell SS/Happ CF/Heyward RF
vs LHP: Zobrist LF/Bryant 3B/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Baez 2B/Almora CF/Russell SS/Happ RF

I would expect Joe to pinch hit and sub even more liberally than before because Avila/Rivera (vs LHP anyway)/La Stella/Jay make a pretty solid bench.

This seems about right. As much as I'd like to see a Bryant RF/Baez 3B alignment over Heyward RF/Bryant 3B, Bryant has logged all of 65 innings in the OF this year compared to 453 last year.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 19, 2017, 09:57:03 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2017, 09:49:41 AM
More realistically I accept that Heyward's somewhat encouraging bat of late means he's probably a lock vs RHP so I'm guessing:

vs RHP: Zobrist 2B/Bryant 3B/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Schwarber LF/Russell SS/Happ CF/Heyward RF
vs LHP: Zobrist LF/Bryant 3B/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Baez 2B/Almora CF/Russell SS/Happ RF

I would expect Joe to pinch hit and sub even more liberally than before because Avila/Rivera (vs LHP anyway)/La Stella/Jay make a pretty solid bench.

I think this is about right actually.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 19, 2017, 09:58:43 AM
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Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on September 19, 2017, 10:00:09 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2017, 09:49:41 AM
More realistically I accept that Heyward's somewhat encouraging bat of late means he's probably a lock vs RHP so I'm guessing:

vs RHP: Zobrist 2B/Bryant 3B/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Schwarber LF/Russell SS/Happ CF/Heyward RF
vs LHP: Zobrist LF/Bryant 3B/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Baez 2B/Almora CF/Russell SS/Happ RF

I would expect Joe to pinch hit and sub even more liberally than before because Avila/Rivera (vs LHP anyway)/La Stella/Jay make a pretty solid bench.

Happ in RF would surprise me. He hasn't played there in all of September and only two times in August (the 1st and 31st).
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 19, 2017, 10:00:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2017, 09:49:41 AM
More realistically I accept that Heyward's somewhat encouraging bat of late means he's probably a lock vs RHP so I'm guessing:

vs RHP: Zobrist 2B/Bryant 3B/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Schwarber LF/Russell SS/Happ CF/Heyward RF
vs LHP: Zobrist LF/Bryant 3B/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Baez 2B/Almora CF/Russell SS/Happ RF

I would expect Joe to pinch hit and sub even more liberally than before because Avila/Rivera (vs LHP anyway)/La Stella/Jay make a pretty solid bench.

I think we've made it clear that Rivera doesn't make the cut, unless the Cubs go with only 11 pitchers and Wilson or Rondon or Lackey get left off.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: R-V on September 19, 2017, 10:09:37 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 19, 2017, 10:00:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2017, 09:49:41 AM
More realistically I accept that Heyward's somewhat encouraging bat of late means he's probably a lock vs RHP so I'm guessing:

vs RHP: Zobrist 2B/Bryant 3B/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Schwarber LF/Russell SS/Happ CF/Heyward RF
vs LHP: Zobrist LF/Bryant 3B/Rizzo 1B/Contreras C/Baez 2B/Almora CF/Russell SS/Happ RF

I would expect Joe to pinch hit and sub even more liberally than before because Avila/Rivera (vs LHP anyway)/La Stella/Jay make a pretty solid bench.

I think we've made it clear that Rivera doesn't make the cut, unless the Cubs go with only 11 pitchers and Wilson or Rondon or Lackey get left off.

Right - the weaning off of Lester from a personal catcher means there's no need to carry a third one (especially with Schwarber able to squat in an emergency).
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 25, 2017, 07:51:37 AM
I'd say Rondon's on and Wilson's on.  Too little, too late for Grimm, and it seems to me that Uehara's finished.  Also, though Lackey closed the gap between him and his colleagues in the rotation, Quintana's closed the door on that discussion. And there's no way in hell Lester's not in the postseason rotation so Lackey's consolation will be making the roster as a bullpen arm if he's not so much of an ass as to refuse the honor.

So this is what looking at:

C Contreras
C Avila
IF Rizzo
IF Baez
IF Russell
IF Bryant
IF La Stella
IF/OF Zobrist
IF/OF Happ
OF Schwarber
OF Jay
OF Almora
OF Heyward
P Hendricks
P Arrieta
P Lester
P Quintana
P Davis
P Edwards
P Duensing
P Strop
P Montgomery
P Wilson
P Rondon
P Lackey

Let's get it on, motherfuckers.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: Tonker on September 25, 2017, 01:28:28 PM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on September 25, 2017, 07:51:37 AM
I'd say Rondon's on and Wilson's on.  Too little, too late for Grimm, and it seems to me that Uehara's finished.  Also, though Lackey closed the gap between him and his colleagues in the rotation, Quintana's closed the door on that discussion. And there's no way in hell Lester's not in the postseason rotation so Lackey's consolation will be making the roster as a bullpen arm if he's not so much of an ass as to refuse the honor.

So this is what looking at:

C Contreras
C Avila
IF Rizzo
IF Baez
IF Russell
IF Bryant
IF La Stella
IF/OF Zobrist
IF/OF Happ
OF Schwarber
OF Jay
OF Almora
OF Heyward
P Hendricks
P Arrieta
P Lester
P Quintana
P Davis
P Edwards
P Duensing
P Strop
P Montgomery
P Wilson
P Rondon
P Lackey

Let's get it on, motherfuckers.


I reckon this is it.
Title: Re: Cubs 2017 Postseason Roster Thread
Post by: D. Doluntap on September 28, 2017, 10:13:46 AM
I could see Leonys Martin taking Almora's spot if Al's still hurting from Gus Frerotte-ing the wall.