I don't even need to watch this trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro) to know that this is going to be a great movie.
Quote from: R-V on December 03, 2015, 01:59:54 PM
I don't even need to watch this trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro) to know that this is going to be a great movie.
Counterpoint: this movie will be ass.
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:03:15 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 03, 2015, 01:59:54 PM
I don't even need to watch this trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro) to know that this is going to be a great movie.
Counterpoint: this movie will be ass.
How long would the movie possibly be? Bats whips some Kryptonite out of his utility belt, beats Supes to death.
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:03:15 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 03, 2015, 01:59:54 PM
I don't even need to watch this trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro) to know that this is going to be a great movie.
Counterpoint: this movie will be ass.
No red diaper = bad Superman movie.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 03, 2015, 02:19:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:03:15 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 03, 2015, 01:59:54 PM
I don't even need to watch this trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro) to know that this is going to be a great movie.
Counterpoint: this movie will be ass.
No red diaper = bad Superman movie.
Zach Snyder has a proven track record of making movies that...kind of let me down.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:15:35 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:03:15 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 03, 2015, 01:59:54 PM
I don't even need to watch this trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro) to know that this is going to be a great movie.
Counterpoint: this movie will be ass.
How long would the movie possibly be? Bats whips some Kryptonite out of his utility belt, beats Supes to death.
Well the comic which inspired it, The Dark Knight Returns, basically had Batman in a robot suit use a bunch of cheap tricks and cheat enought that he actually bloodied Superman's nose before faking his own death. A bunch of fanboys then turned this into a stirring, knock out victory for Batman that has become the basis for 30 years of stupidity and also the ever-present problem that WB and DC, the people who make Superman, really don't actually like Superman.
Which results in Man of Steel, a boring, humorless movie where bright colors are outlawed that ends with Superman destroying a city and snapping a dude's fucking neck.
So combine a thoroughly unlikeable Superman with a Batman based on the most psychopathic version of the character ever written (Frank Miller is an advisor on the film. After he had two hits with TDKR and Batman: Year One, he wrote more Batman stories where the guy mentally abused Robin and forced him to eat fucking rats to survive), directed by a guy whose "best" movie was 300, and you've got a recipe for disaster.
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:26:09 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:15:35 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:03:15 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 03, 2015, 01:59:54 PM
I don't even need to watch this trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro) to know that this is going to be a great movie.
Counterpoint: this movie will be ass.
How long would the movie possibly be? Bats whips some Kryptonite out of his utility belt, beats Supes to death.
Well the comic which inspired it, The Dark Knight Returns, basically had Batman in a robot suit use a bunch of cheap tricks and cheat enought that he actually bloodied Superman's nose before faking his own death. A bunch of fanboys then turned this into a stirring, knock out victory for Batman that has become the basis for 30 years of stupidity and also the ever-present problem that WB and DC, the people who make Superman, really don't actually like Superman.
Which results in Man of Steel, a boring, humorless movie where bright colors are outlawed that ends with Superman destroying a city and snapping a dude's fucking neck.
So combine a thoroughly unlikeable Superman with a Batman based on the most psychopathic version of the character ever written (Frank Miller is an advisor on the film. After he had two hits with TDKR and Batman: Year One, he wrote more Batman stories where the guy mentally abused Robin and forced him to eat fucking rats to survive), directed by a guy whose "best" movie was 300, and you've got a recipe for disaster.
On the plus side, Wonder Woman is finally in a movie, and she doesn't look
too stupid.
Quote from: Bort on December 03, 2015, 02:29:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:26:09 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:15:35 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:03:15 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 03, 2015, 01:59:54 PM
I don't even need to watch this trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro) to know that this is going to be a great movie.
Counterpoint: this movie will be ass.
How long would the movie possibly be? Bats whips some Kryptonite out of his utility belt, beats Supes to death.
Well the comic which inspired it, The Dark Knight Returns, basically had Batman in a robot suit use a bunch of cheap tricks and cheat enought that he actually bloodied Superman's nose before faking his own death. A bunch of fanboys then turned this into a stirring, knock out victory for Batman that has become the basis for 30 years of stupidity and also the ever-present problem that WB and DC, the people who make Superman, really don't actually like Superman.
Which results in Man of Steel, a boring, humorless movie where bright colors are outlawed that ends with Superman destroying a city and snapping a dude's fucking neck.
So combine a thoroughly unlikeable Superman with a Batman based on the most psychopathic version of the character ever written (Frank Miller is an advisor on the film. After he had two hits with TDKR and Batman: Year One, he wrote more Batman stories where the guy mentally abused Robin and forced him to eat fucking rats to survive), directed by a guy whose "best" movie was 300, and you've got a recipe for disaster.
On the plus side, Wonder Woman is finally in a movie, and she doesn't look too stupid.
'
I am basically banking on all of the DC movies they make in this universe that aren't directed by Zack Snyder or written by David Goyer being good, because I have zero hope for the ones that are. The Wonder Woman solo movie is already well into production, and I'm hoping Aquaman and their eventual Green Lantern reboot are good. They're making a Flash movie as well but I can take or leave that since the TV show is the only Flash I need.
But the actual Superman and Justice League movies are probably going to blow.
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:26:09 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:15:35 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:03:15 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 03, 2015, 01:59:54 PM
I don't even need to watch this trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro) to know that this is going to be a great movie.
Counterpoint: this movie will be ass.
How long would the movie possibly be? Bats whips some Kryptonite out of his utility belt, beats Supes to death.
Well the comic which inspired it, The Dark Knight Returns, basically had Batman in a robot suit use a bunch of cheap tricks and cheat enought that he actually bloodied Superman's nose before faking his own death. A bunch of fanboys then turned this into a stirring, knock out victory for Batman that has become the basis for 30 years of stupidity and also the ever-present problem that WB and DC, the people who make Superman, really don't actually like Superman.
Which results in Man of Steel, a boring, humorless movie where bright colors are outlawed that ends with Superman destroying a city and snapping a dude's fucking neck.
So combine a thoroughly unlikeable Superman with a Batman based on the most psychopathic version of the character ever written (Frank Miller is an advisor on the film. After he had two hits with TDKR and Batman: Year One, he wrote more Batman stories where the guy mentally abused Robin and forced him to eat fucking rats to survive), directed by a guy whose "best" movie was 300, and you've got a recipe for disaster.
In "An Evening With Kevin Smith", KS describes being approached by Jon Peters to do a Superman movie. I strongly recommend finding the clip on YouTube.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:41:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:26:09 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:15:35 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:03:15 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 03, 2015, 01:59:54 PM
I don't even need to watch this trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro) to know that this is going to be a great movie.
Counterpoint: this movie will be ass.
How long would the movie possibly be? Bats whips some Kryptonite out of his utility belt, beats Supes to death.
Well the comic which inspired it, The Dark Knight Returns, basically had Batman in a robot suit use a bunch of cheap tricks and cheat enought that he actually bloodied Superman's nose before faking his own death. A bunch of fanboys then turned this into a stirring, knock out victory for Batman that has become the basis for 30 years of stupidity and also the ever-present problem that WB and DC, the people who make Superman, really don't actually like Superman.
Which results in Man of Steel, a boring, humorless movie where bright colors are outlawed that ends with Superman destroying a city and snapping a dude's fucking neck.
So combine a thoroughly unlikeable Superman with a Batman based on the most psychopathic version of the character ever written (Frank Miller is an advisor on the film. After he had two hits with TDKR and Batman: Year One, he wrote more Batman stories where the guy mentally abused Robin and forced him to eat fucking rats to survive), directed by a guy whose "best" movie was 300, and you've got a recipe for disaster.
In "An Evening With Kevin Smith", KS describes being approached by Jon Peters to do a Superman movie. I strongly recommend finding the clip on YouTube.
Oh I've watched that clip. It's outstanding. What's hilarious is that in the third act of Man of Steel Superman fights something that definitely resembles a giant mechanical spider.
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:43:30 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:41:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:26:09 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:15:35 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:03:15 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 03, 2015, 01:59:54 PM
I don't even need to watch this trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro) to know that this is going to be a great movie.
Counterpoint: this movie will be ass.
How long would the movie possibly be? Bats whips some Kryptonite out of his utility belt, beats Supes to death.
Well the comic which inspired it, The Dark Knight Returns, basically had Batman in a robot suit use a bunch of cheap tricks and cheat enought that he actually bloodied Superman's nose before faking his own death. A bunch of fanboys then turned this into a stirring, knock out victory for Batman that has become the basis for 30 years of stupidity and also the ever-present problem that WB and DC, the people who make Superman, really don't actually like Superman.
Which results in Man of Steel, a boring, humorless movie where bright colors are outlawed that ends with Superman destroying a city and snapping a dude's fucking neck.
So combine a thoroughly unlikeable Superman with a Batman based on the most psychopathic version of the character ever written (Frank Miller is an advisor on the film. After he had two hits with TDKR and Batman: Year One, he wrote more Batman stories where the guy mentally abused Robin and forced him to eat fucking rats to survive), directed by a guy whose "best" movie was 300, and you've got a recipe for disaster.
In "An Evening With Kevin Smith", KS describes being approached by Jon Peters to do a Superman movie. I strongly recommend finding the clip on YouTube.
Oh I've watched that clip. It's standing. What's hilarious is that in the third act of Man of Steel Superman fights something that definitely resembles a giant mechanical spider.
Netflix or HBO has "The Death of Superman Lives" available. Smith retells the whole story.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 03, 2015, 02:47:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:43:30 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:41:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:26:09 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:15:35 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:03:15 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 03, 2015, 01:59:54 PM
I don't even need to watch this trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro) to know that this is going to be a great movie.
Counterpoint: this movie will be ass.
How long would the movie possibly be? Bats whips some Kryptonite out of his utility belt, beats Supes to death.
Well the comic which inspired it, The Dark Knight Returns, basically had Batman in a robot suit use a bunch of cheap tricks and cheat enought that he actually bloodied Superman's nose before faking his own death. A bunch of fanboys then turned this into a stirring, knock out victory for Batman that has become the basis for 30 years of stupidity and also the ever-present problem that WB and DC, the people who make Superman, really don't actually like Superman.
Which results in Man of Steel, a boring, humorless movie where bright colors are outlawed that ends with Superman destroying a city and snapping a dude's fucking neck.
So combine a thoroughly unlikeable Superman with a Batman based on the most psychopathic version of the character ever written (Frank Miller is an advisor on the film. After he had two hits with TDKR and Batman: Year One, he wrote more Batman stories where the guy mentally abused Robin and forced him to eat fucking rats to survive), directed by a guy whose "best" movie was 300, and you've got a recipe for disaster.
In "An Evening With Kevin Smith", KS describes being approached by Jon Peters to do a Superman movie. I strongly recommend finding the clip on YouTube.
Oh I've watched that clip. It's standing. What's hilarious is that in the third act of Man of Steel Superman fights something that definitely resembles a giant mechanical spider.
Netflix or HBO has "The Death of Superman Lives" available. Smith retells the whole story.
I'm assuming this is the story that ends with Smith marveling that Peters finally got his giant, mechanical spider in Wild, Wild West?
Honestly at this point I wish DC would go the Guardians of the Galaxy route and do a movie on one of their lesser known properties that isn't going to be bogged down by decades obsessing over continuity.
Hell, they could do that with Green Lantern if they wanted. It's basically Space Police With Magic Rings.
Quote from: CT III on December 03, 2015, 03:15:07 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 03, 2015, 02:47:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:43:30 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:41:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:26:09 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:15:35 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:03:15 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 03, 2015, 01:59:54 PM
I don't even need to watch this trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro) to know that this is going to be a great movie.
Counterpoint: this movie will be ass.
How long would the movie possibly be? Bats whips some Kryptonite out of his utility belt, beats Supes to death.
Well the comic which inspired it, The Dark Knight Returns, basically had Batman in a robot suit use a bunch of cheap tricks and cheat enought that he actually bloodied Superman's nose before faking his own death. A bunch of fanboys then turned this into a stirring, knock out victory for Batman that has become the basis for 30 years of stupidity and also the ever-present problem that WB and DC, the people who make Superman, really don't actually like Superman.
Which results in Man of Steel, a boring, humorless movie where bright colors are outlawed that ends with Superman destroying a city and snapping a dude's fucking neck.
So combine a thoroughly unlikeable Superman with a Batman based on the most psychopathic version of the character ever written (Frank Miller is an advisor on the film. After he had two hits with TDKR and Batman: Year One, he wrote more Batman stories where the guy mentally abused Robin and forced him to eat fucking rats to survive), directed by a guy whose "best" movie was 300, and you've got a recipe for disaster.
In "An Evening With Kevin Smith", KS describes being approached by Jon Peters to do a Superman movie. I strongly recommend finding the clip on YouTube.
Oh I've watched that clip. It's standing. What's hilarious is that in the third act of Man of Steel Superman fights something that definitely resembles a giant mechanical spider.
Netflix or HBO has "The Death of Superman Lives" available. Smith retells the whole story.
I'm assuming this is the story that ends with Smith marveling that Peters finally got his giant, mechanical spider in Wild, Wild West?
Honestly at this point I wish DC would go the Guardians of the Galaxy route and do a movie on one of their lesser known properties that isn't going to be bogged down by decades obsessing over continuity.
Hell, they could do that with Green Lantern if they wanted. It's basically Space Police With Magic Rings.
It's amazing how wrong they got the first Green Lantern movie, even though Ryan Reynolds actually was a pretty good Hal Jordan. They just decided that most of a Green Lantern movie should take place on earth and involve him fighting a smog monster and not, like, in space and stuff where Green Lantern should actually be.
Quote from: CT III on December 03, 2015, 03:15:07 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 03, 2015, 02:47:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:43:30 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:41:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:26:09 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:15:35 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:03:15 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 03, 2015, 01:59:54 PM
I don't even need to watch this trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro) to know that this is going to be a great movie.
Counterpoint: this movie will be ass.
How long would the movie possibly be? Bats whips some Kryptonite out of his utility belt, beats Supes to death.
Well the comic which inspired it, The Dark Knight Returns, basically had Batman in a robot suit use a bunch of cheap tricks and cheat enought that he actually bloodied Superman's nose before faking his own death. A bunch of fanboys then turned this into a stirring, knock out victory for Batman that has become the basis for 30 years of stupidity and also the ever-present problem that WB and DC, the people who make Superman, really don't actually like Superman.
Which results in Man of Steel, a boring, humorless movie where bright colors are outlawed that ends with Superman destroying a city and snapping a dude's fucking neck.
So combine a thoroughly unlikeable Superman with a Batman based on the most psychopathic version of the character ever written (Frank Miller is an advisor on the film. After he had two hits with TDKR and Batman: Year One, he wrote more Batman stories where the guy mentally abused Robin and forced him to eat fucking rats to survive), directed by a guy whose "best" movie was 300, and you've got a recipe for disaster.
In "An Evening With Kevin Smith", KS describes being approached by Jon Peters to do a Superman movie. I strongly recommend finding the clip on YouTube.
Oh I've watched that clip. It's standing. What's hilarious is that in the third act of Man of Steel Superman fights something that definitely resembles a giant mechanical spider.
Netflix or HBO has "The Death of Superman Lives" available. Smith retells the whole story.
I'm assuming this is the story that ends with Smith marveling that Peters finally got his giant, mechanical spider in Wild, Wild West?
Honestly at this point I wish DC would go the Guardians of the Galaxy route and do a movie on one of their lesser known properties that isn't going to be bogged down by decades obsessing over continuity.
Hell, they could do that with Green Lantern if they wanted. It's basically Space Police With Magic Rings.
They are doing that on TV. Arrow, Supergirl and Legends of Tomorrow. And the Flash (which is quite fun) despite him being well known.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 03, 2015, 03:20:22 PM
Quote from: CT III on December 03, 2015, 03:15:07 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 03, 2015, 02:47:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:43:30 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:41:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:26:09 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:15:35 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:03:15 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 03, 2015, 01:59:54 PM
I don't even need to watch this trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro) to know that this is going to be a great movie.
Counterpoint: this movie will be ass.
How long would the movie possibly be? Bats whips some Kryptonite out of his utility belt, beats Supes to death.
Well the comic which inspired it, The Dark Knight Returns, basically had Batman in a robot suit use a bunch of cheap tricks and cheat enought that he actually bloodied Superman's nose before faking his own death. A bunch of fanboys then turned this into a stirring, knock out victory for Batman that has become the basis for 30 years of stupidity and also the ever-present problem that WB and DC, the people who make Superman, really don't actually like Superman.
Which results in Man of Steel, a boring, humorless movie where bright colors are outlawed that ends with Superman destroying a city and snapping a dude's fucking neck.
So combine a thoroughly unlikeable Superman with a Batman based on the most psychopathic version of the character ever written (Frank Miller is an advisor on the film. After he had two hits with TDKR and Batman: Year One, he wrote more Batman stories where the guy mentally abused Robin and forced him to eat fucking rats to survive), directed by a guy whose "best" movie was 300, and you've got a recipe for disaster.
In "An Evening With Kevin Smith", KS describes being approached by Jon Peters to do a Superman movie. I strongly recommend finding the clip on YouTube.
Oh I've watched that clip. It's standing. What's hilarious is that in the third act of Man of Steel Superman fights something that definitely resembles a giant mechanical spider.
Netflix or HBO has "The Death of Superman Lives" available. Smith retells the whole story.
I'm assuming this is the story that ends with Smith marveling that Peters finally got his giant, mechanical spider in Wild, Wild West?
Honestly at this point I wish DC would go the Guardians of the Galaxy route and do a movie on one of their lesser known properties that isn't going to be bogged down by decades obsessing over continuity.
Hell, they could do that with Green Lantern if they wanted. It's basically Space Police With Magic Rings.
They are doing that on TV. Arrow, Supergirl and Legends of Tomorrow. And the Flash (which is quite fun) despite him being well known.
The Flash TV show is perfect in every way.
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 03:22:39 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 03, 2015, 03:20:22 PM
Quote from: CT III on December 03, 2015, 03:15:07 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 03, 2015, 02:47:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:43:30 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:41:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:26:09 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:15:35 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:03:15 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 03, 2015, 01:59:54 PM
I don't even need to watch this trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro) to know that this is going to be a great movie.
Counterpoint: this movie will be ass.
How long would the movie possibly be? Bats whips some Kryptonite out of his utility belt, beats Supes to death.
Well the comic which inspired it, The Dark Knight Returns, basically had Batman in a robot suit use a bunch of cheap tricks and cheat enought that he actually bloodied Superman's nose before faking his own death. A bunch of fanboys then turned this into a stirring, knock out victory for Batman that has become the basis for 30 years of stupidity and also the ever-present problem that WB and DC, the people who make Superman, really don't actually like Superman.
Which results in Man of Steel, a boring, humorless movie where bright colors are outlawed that ends with Superman destroying a city and snapping a dude's fucking neck.
So combine a thoroughly unlikeable Superman with a Batman based on the most psychopathic version of the character ever written (Frank Miller is an advisor on the film. After he had two hits with TDKR and Batman: Year One, he wrote more Batman stories where the guy mentally abused Robin and forced him to eat fucking rats to survive), directed by a guy whose "best" movie was 300, and you've got a recipe for disaster.
In "An Evening With Kevin Smith", KS describes being approached by Jon Peters to do a Superman movie. I strongly recommend finding the clip on YouTube.
Oh I've watched that clip. It's standing. What's hilarious is that in the third act of Man of Steel Superman fights something that definitely resembles a giant mechanical spider.
Netflix or HBO has "The Death of Superman Lives" available. Smith retells the whole story.
I'm assuming this is the story that ends with Smith marveling that Peters finally got his giant, mechanical spider in Wild, Wild West?
Honestly at this point I wish DC would go the Guardians of the Galaxy route and do a movie on one of their lesser known properties that isn't going to be bogged down by decades obsessing over continuity.
Hell, they could do that with Green Lantern if they wanted. It's basically Space Police With Magic Rings.
They are doing that on TV. Arrow, Supergirl and Legends of Tomorrow. And the Flash (which is quite fun) despite him being well known.
The Flash TV show is perfect in every way.
Yeah, I've no complaints about DC's television shows, from the current crop and going back to the animated series (Batman, Superman, Justice League, JLU, Young Justice, Green Lantern) most of it has been very good to excellent.
Edited to add that Gotham is a goddamned mess.
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 03:22:39 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 03, 2015, 03:20:22 PM
Quote from: CT III on December 03, 2015, 03:15:07 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 03, 2015, 02:47:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:43:30 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:41:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:26:09 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:15:35 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:03:15 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 03, 2015, 01:59:54 PM
I don't even need to watch this trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro) to know that this is going to be a great movie.
Counterpoint: this movie will be ass.
How long would the movie possibly be? Bats whips some Kryptonite out of his utility belt, beats Supes to death.
Well the comic which inspired it, The Dark Knight Returns, basically had Batman in a robot suit use a bunch of cheap tricks and cheat enought that he actually bloodied Superman's nose before faking his own death. A bunch of fanboys then turned this into a stirring, knock out victory for Batman that has become the basis for 30 years of stupidity and also the ever-present problem that WB and DC, the people who make Superman, really don't actually like Superman.
Which results in Man of Steel, a boring, humorless movie where bright colors are outlawed that ends with Superman destroying a city and snapping a dude's fucking neck.
So combine a thoroughly unlikeable Superman with a Batman based on the most psychopathic version of the character ever written (Frank Miller is an advisor on the film. After he had two hits with TDKR and Batman: Year One, he wrote more Batman stories where the guy mentally abused Robin and forced him to eat fucking rats to survive), directed by a guy whose "best" movie was 300, and you've got a recipe for disaster.
In "An Evening With Kevin Smith", KS describes being approached by Jon Peters to do a Superman movie. I strongly recommend finding the clip on YouTube.
Oh I've watched that clip. It's standing. What's hilarious is that in the third act of Man of Steel Superman fights something that definitely resembles a giant mechanical spider.
Netflix or HBO has "The Death of Superman Lives" available. Smith retells the whole story.
I'm assuming this is the story that ends with Smith marveling that Peters finally got his giant, mechanical spider in Wild, Wild West?
Honestly at this point I wish DC would go the Guardians of the Galaxy route and do a movie on one of their lesser known properties that isn't going to be bogged down by decades obsessing over continuity.
Hell, they could do that with Green Lantern if they wanted. It's basically Space Police With Magic Rings.
They are doing that on TV. Arrow, Supergirl and Legends of Tomorrow. And the Flash (which is quite fun) despite him being well known.
The Flash TV show is perfect in every way.
Danielle Panabaker's hairstyle this season is horrible. The chick who is Hawkgirl has freakishly large teeth.
Other than that, it's great.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 03, 2015, 03:55:45 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 03:22:39 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 03, 2015, 03:20:22 PM
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 03, 2015, 02:47:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:43:30 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:41:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:26:09 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:15:35 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:03:15 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 03, 2015, 01:59:54 PM
I don't even need to watch this trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro) to know that this is going to be a great movie.
Counterpoint: this movie will be ass.
How long would the movie possibly be? Bats whips some Kryptonite out of his utility belt, beats Supes to death.
Well the comic which inspired it, The Dark Knight Returns, basically had Batman in a robot suit use a bunch of cheap tricks and cheat enought that he actually bloodied Superman's nose before faking his own death. A bunch of fanboys then turned this into a stirring, knock out victory for Batman that has become the basis for 30 years of stupidity and also the ever-present problem that WB and DC, the people who make Superman, really don't actually like Superman.
Which results in Man of Steel, a boring, humorless movie where bright colors are outlawed that ends with Superman destroying a city and snapping a dude's fucking neck.
So combine a thoroughly unlikeable Superman with a Batman based on the most psychopathic version of the character ever written (Frank Miller is an advisor on the film. After he had two hits with TDKR and Batman: Year One, he wrote more Batman stories where the guy mentally abused Robin and forced him to eat fucking rats to survive), directed by a guy whose "best" movie was 300, and you've got a recipe for disaster.
In "An Evening With Kevin Smith", KS describes being approached by Jon Peters to do a Superman movie. I strongly recommend finding the clip on YouTube.
Oh I've watched that clip. It's standing. What's hilarious is that in the third act of Man of Steel Superman fights something that definitely resembles a giant mechanical spider.
Netflix or HBO has "The Death of Superman Lives" available. Smith retells the whole story.
I'm assuming this is the story that ends with Smith marveling that Peters finally got his giant, mechanical spider in Wild, Wild West?
Honestly at this point I wish DC would go the Guardians of the Galaxy route and do a movie on one of their lesser known properties that isn't going to be bogged down by decades obsessing over continuity.
Hell, they could do that with Green Lantern if they wanted. It's basically Space Police With Magic Rings.
They are doing that on TV. Arrow, Supergirl and Legends of Tomorrow. And the Flash (which is quite fun) despite him being well known.
The Flash TV show is perfect in every way.
Danielle Panabaker's hairstyle this season is horrible. The chick who is Hawkgirl has freakishly large teeth.
Other than that, it's great.
That's a beak, Chuck.
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I don't even need to watch this trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro) to know that this is going to be a great movie.
Counterpoint: this movie will be ass.
How long would the movie possibly be? Bats whips some Kryptonite out of his utility belt, beats Supes to death.
Well the comic which inspired it, The Dark Knight Returns, basically had Batman in a robot suit use a bunch of cheap tricks and cheat enought that he actually bloodied Superman's nose before faking his own death. A bunch of fanboys then turned this into a stirring, knock out victory for Batman that has become the basis for 30 years of stupidity and also the ever-present problem that WB and DC, the people who make Superman, really don't actually like Superman.
Which results in Man of Steel, a boring, humorless movie where bright colors are outlawed that ends with Superman destroying a city and snapping a dude's fucking neck.
So combine a thoroughly unlikeable Superman with a Batman based on the most psychopathic version of the character ever written (Frank Miller is an advisor on the film. After he had two hits with TDKR and Batman: Year One, he wrote more Batman stories where the guy mentally abused Robin and forced him to eat fucking rats to survive), directed by a guy whose "best" movie was 300, and you've got a recipe for disaster.
In "An Evening With Kevin Smith", KS describes being approached by Jon Peters to do a Superman movie. I strongly recommend finding the clip on YouTube.
Oh I've watched that clip. It's standing. What's hilarious is that in the third act of Man of Steel Superman fights something that definitely resembles a giant mechanical spider.
Netflix or HBO has "The Death of Superman Lives" available. Smith retells the whole story.
I'm assuming this is the story that ends with Smith marveling that Peters finally got his giant, mechanical spider in Wild, Wild West?
Honestly at this point I wish DC would go the Guardians of the Galaxy route and do a movie on one of their lesser known properties that isn't going to be bogged down by decades obsessing over continuity.
Hell, they could do that with Green Lantern if they wanted. It's basically Space Police With Magic Rings.
They are doing that on TV. Arrow, Supergirl and Legends of Tomorrow. And the Flash (which is quite fun) despite him being well known.
The Flash TV show is perfect in every way.
My seven- and nine-year old children certainly think so.
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I don't even need to watch this trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro) to know that this is going to be a great movie.
Counterpoint: this movie will be ass.
How long would the movie possibly be? Bats whips some Kryptonite out of his utility belt, beats Supes to death.
Well the comic which inspired it, The Dark Knight Returns, basically had Batman in a robot suit use a bunch of cheap tricks and cheat enought that he actually bloodied Superman's nose before faking his own death. A bunch of fanboys then turned this into a stirring, knock out victory for Batman that has become the basis for 30 years of stupidity and also the ever-present problem that WB and DC, the people who make Superman, really don't actually like Superman.
Which results in Man of Steel, a boring, humorless movie where bright colors are outlawed that ends with Superman destroying a city and snapping a dude's fucking neck.
So combine a thoroughly unlikeable Superman with a Batman based on the most psychopathic version of the character ever written (Frank Miller is an advisor on the film. After he had two hits with TDKR and Batman: Year One, he wrote more Batman stories where the guy mentally abused Robin and forced him to eat fucking rats to survive), directed by a guy whose "best" movie was 300, and you've got a recipe for disaster.
In "An Evening With Kevin Smith", KS describes being approached by Jon Peters to do a Superman movie. I strongly recommend finding the clip on YouTube.
Oh I've watched that clip. It's standing. What's hilarious is that in the third act of Man of Steel Superman fights something that definitely resembles a giant mechanical spider.
Netflix or HBO has "The Death of Superman Lives" available. Smith retells the whole story.
I'm assuming this is the story that ends with Smith marveling that Peters finally got his giant, mechanical spider in Wild, Wild West?
Honestly at this point I wish DC would go the Guardians of the Galaxy route and do a movie on one of their lesser known properties that isn't going to be bogged down by decades obsessing over continuity.
Hell, they could do that with Green Lantern if they wanted. It's basically Space Police With Magic Rings.
They are doing that on TV. Arrow, Supergirl and Legends of Tomorrow. And the Flash (which is quite fun) despite him being well known.
The Flash TV show is perfect in every way.
Danielle Panabaker's hairstyle this season is horrible. The chick who is Hawkgirl has freakishly large teeth.
Other than that, it's great.
That's a beak, Chuck.
If only. She hasn't been in her mask other than a quick vibe.
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Misogynistic Internet Chuck is the worst Internet Chuck
Trailer #2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:41:42 PM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:15:35 PM
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Quote from: R-V on December 03, 2015, 01:59:54 PM
I don't even need to watch this trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro) to know that this is going to be a great movie.
Counterpoint: this movie will be ass.
How long would the movie possibly be? Bats whips some Kryptonite out of his utility belt, beats Supes to death.
Well the comic which inspired it, The Dark Knight Returns, basically had Batman in a robot suit use a bunch of cheap tricks and cheat enought that he actually bloodied Superman's nose before faking his own death. A bunch of fanboys then turned this into a stirring, knock out victory for Batman that has become the basis for 30 years of stupidity and also the ever-present problem that WB and DC, the people who make Superman, really don't actually like Superman.
Which results in Man of Steel, a boring, humorless movie where bright colors are outlawed that ends with Superman destroying a city and snapping a dude's fucking neck.
So combine a thoroughly unlikeable Superman with a Batman based on the most psychopathic version of the character ever written (Frank Miller is an advisor on the film. After he had two hits with TDKR and Batman: Year One, he wrote more Batman stories where the guy mentally abused Robin and forced him to eat fucking rats to survive), directed by a guy whose "best" movie was 300, and you've got a recipe for disaster.
In "An Evening With Kevin Smith", KS describes being approached by Jon Peters to do a Superman movie. I strongly recommend finding the clip on YouTube.
Oh I've watched that clip. It's standing. What's hilarious is that in the third act of Man of Steel Superman fights something that definitely resembles a giant mechanical spider.
Netflix or HBO has "The Death of Superman Lives" available. Smith retells the whole story.
I'm assuming this is the story that ends with Smith marveling that Peters finally got his giant, mechanical spider in Wild, Wild West?
Honestly at this point I wish DC would go the Guardians of the Galaxy route and do a movie on one of their lesser known properties that isn't going to be bogged down by decades obsessing over continuity.
Hell, they could do that with Green Lantern if they wanted. It's basically Space Police With Magic Rings.
They are doing that on TV. Arrow, Supergirl and Legends of Tomorrow. And the Flash (which is quite fun) despite him being well known.
The Flash TV show is perfect in every way.
My seven- and nine-year old children certainly think so.
They are correct to do so. I love that show unreservedly.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 03, 2015, 08:11:19 PM
Trailer #2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro
Thanks for linking it in case people missed it in the first post of the thread.
Quote from: R-V on December 04, 2015, 08:52:17 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 03, 2015, 08:11:19 PM
Trailer #2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro
Thanks for linking it in case people missed it in the first post of the thread.
Whoops. I figured that first post was a link to the 45 second trailer that was also released.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 04, 2015, 09:05:31 AM
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Trailer #2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro
Thanks for linking it in case people missed it in the first post of the thread.
Whoops. I figured that first post was a link to the 45 second trailer that was also released.
I'll allow it. This thread was really just an excuse to troll for some SKO/Zack Snyder butthurtedness and my mission was accomplished.
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Trailer #2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro
Thanks for linking it in case people missed it in the first post of the thread.
Whoops. I figured that first post was a link to the 45 second trailer that was also released.
I'll allow it. This thread was really just an excuse to troll for some SKO/Zack Snyder butthurtedness and my mission was accomplished.
You don't really have to troll for my Zack Snyder butthurtedness. You could just say "hey, SKO, you got some Zack Snyder butthurt you want to let off your chest" and I'll oblige every time.
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 03, 2015, 08:11:19 PM
Trailer #2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro
Thanks for linking it in case people missed it in the first post of the thread.
Whoops. I figured that first post was a link to the 45 second trailer that was also released.
I'll allow it. This thread was really just an excuse to troll for some SKO/Zack Snyder butthurtedness and my mission was accomplished.
You don't really have to troll for my Zack Snyder butthurtedness. You could just say "hey, SKO, you got some Zack Snyder butthurt you want to let off your chest" and I'll oblige every time.
I'll definitely see this movie, but Ben Affleck's growly Batman voice in the trailer was somehow worse than Christian Bale's. And Jesse Eisenberg? Really?
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 03, 2015, 08:11:19 PM
Trailer #2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro
Thanks for linking it in case people missed it in the first post of the thread.
Whoops. I figured that first post was a link to the 45 second trailer that was also released.
I'll allow it. This thread was really just an excuse to troll for some SKO/Zack Snyder butthurtedness and my mission was accomplished.
You don't really have to troll for my Zack Snyder butthurtedness. You could just say "hey, SKO, you got some Zack Snyder butthurt you want to let off your chest" and I'll oblige every time.
I'll definitely see this movie, but Ben Affleck's growly Batman voice in the trailer was somehow worse than Christian Bale's. And Jesse Eisenberg? Really?
Oh I can't pretend I won't see this movie. I'm a masochist like that. Everyone I knew that gives a shit about such things told me not to watch Man of Steel, I had to see the horror for myself nonetheless.
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 03, 2015, 08:11:19 PM
Trailer #2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro
Thanks for linking it in case people missed it in the first post of the thread.
Whoops. I figured that first post was a link to the 45 second trailer that was also released.
I'll allow it. This thread was really just an excuse to troll for some SKO/Zack Snyder butthurtedness and my mission was accomplished.
You don't really have to troll for my Zack Snyder butthurtedness. You could just say "hey, SKO, you got some Zack Snyder butthurt you want to let off your chest" and I'll oblige every time.
I'll definitely see this movie, but Ben Affleck's growly Batman voice in the trailer was somehow worse than Christian Bale's. And Jesse Eisenberg? Really?
You'll be shocked to learn I hate Jesse Eisenberg
Eagerly awaiting SKO and Bort's take on this one. The early reviews are not, how do you say, good.
Quote from: R-V on March 23, 2016, 12:53:56 PM
Eagerly awaiting SKO and Bort's take on this one. The early reviews are not, how do you say, good.
I am trying to figure out when I can watch it so that I can tell everyone how much I hate it. The terrible reviews have meant there's no fucking way my wife will go see it with me, because she doesn't get hate-watching things, and if I can't convince her to get a babysitter and make said movie a date night I'll probably not be seeing it real soon
But no I am not surprised the consensus seems to be that it's a boring, beige, soulless, humorless, grimdark darkfest that makes you want to slit your wrists.
Because god forbid anyone think superheroes are fun. Really looking forward to seeing Zack Snyder use Superman as an allegory for the contemporary debates on security vs civil liberties and xenophobia with all of the subtlety and nuance he used for the "FREEDOM IS NOT FREE" political commentary in 300.
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Quote from: R-V on March 23, 2016, 12:53:56 PM
Eagerly awaiting SKO and Bort's take on this one. The early reviews are not, how do you say, good.
I am trying to figure out when I can watch it so that I can tell everyone how much I hate it. The terrible reviews have meant there's no fucking way my wife will go see it with me, because she doesn't get hate-watching things, and if I can't convince her to get a babysitter and make said movie a date night I'll probably not be seeing it real soon
Go by yourself.
Quote from: R-V on March 23, 2016, 01:49:27 PM
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Quote from: R-V on March 23, 2016, 12:53:56 PM
Eagerly awaiting SKO and Bort's take on this one. The early reviews are not, how do you say, good.
I am trying to figure out when I can watch it so that I can tell everyone how much I hate it. The terrible reviews have meant there's no fucking way my wife will go see it with me, because she doesn't get hate-watching things, and if I can't convince her to get a babysitter and make said movie a date night I'll probably not be seeing it real soon
Go by yourself.
I probably will, I just am not sure when I will fit it in.
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Quote from: R-V on March 23, 2016, 01:49:27 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 23, 2016, 01:02:14 PM
Quote from: R-V on March 23, 2016, 12:53:56 PM
Eagerly awaiting SKO and Bort's take on this one. The early reviews are not, how do you say, good.
I am trying to figure out when I can watch it so that I can tell everyone how much I hate it. The terrible reviews have meant there's no fucking way my wife will go see it with me, because she doesn't get hate-watching things, and if I can't convince her to get a babysitter and make said movie a date night I'll probably not be seeing it real soon
Go by yourself.
I probably will, I just am not sure when I will fit it in.
In between posts?
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Quote from: SKO on March 23, 2016, 01:58:08 PM
Quote from: R-V on March 23, 2016, 01:49:27 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 23, 2016, 01:02:14 PM
Quote from: R-V on March 23, 2016, 12:53:56 PM
Eagerly awaiting SKO and Bort's take on this one. The early reviews are not, how do you say, good.
I am trying to figure out when I can watch it so that I can tell everyone how much I hate it. The terrible reviews have meant there's no fucking way my wife will go see it with me, because she doesn't get hate-watching things, and if I can't convince her to get a babysitter and make said movie a date night I'll probably not be seeing it real soon
Go by yourself.
I probably will, I just am not sure when I will fit it in.
In between posts?
Someday I will be gone and this place will have the complete silence and utter lack of activity you've always craved.
I wouldn't hold your breath on my hot take. I still haven't seen Man of Steel. I'll probably watch this sometime around 2035.
Quote from: Bort on March 23, 2016, 02:27:36 PM
I wouldn't hold your breath on my hot take. I still haven't seen Man of Steel. I'll probably watch this sometime around 2035.
You should watch it. I doubt you'll ever must such pure hatred for anything in your life as you will that movie, and you're a man that knows his hatin'
Fucking 32% on Rotten Tomatoes. 44% on Metacritic. Much as I expected it to be terrible I expected them to cram enough fireworks into it to entertain more people than that. It's apparently not only bad but also boring.
Quote from: SKO on March 24, 2016, 10:27:51 AM
Fucking 32% on Rotten Tomatoes. 44% on Metacritic. Much as I expected it to be terrible I expected them to cram enough fireworks into it to entertain more people than that. It's apparently not only bad but also boring.
I might not even see this. I'm really annoyed - I thought it would be critically panned but watchable. Apparently it's not even watchable. Kind of like Man Of Steel which I refuse to watch.
Quote from: Slaky on March 24, 2016, 11:09:31 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 24, 2016, 10:27:51 AM
Fucking 32% on Rotten Tomatoes. 44% on Metacritic. Much as I expected it to be terrible I expected them to cram enough fireworks into it to entertain more people than that. It's apparently not only bad but also boring.
I might not even see this. I'm really annoyed - I thought it would be critically panned but watchable. Apparently it's not even watchable. Kind of like Man Of Steel which I refuse to watch.
The defense I have heard from people who liked Man of Steel, and who were determined to like this, is that "so what, it's a popcorn flick, all it has to do is be an entertaining slugfest", but the problem is that if you watch Man of Steel with all it's rancid dialogue about "you will give them hope!" and you listen to Snyder's Ayn Rand bullshit when discussing MoS and BvS, he very clearly thought there was some grand philosophical statement he was making with these movies. So the complete lack of any kind of humor or fun makes it hard to just turn off your brain and watch the inevitable CGI 'splosions because he's spent two hours making sure you know this is a
very serious film for serious people.
Quote from: SKO on March 24, 2016, 11:13:56 AM
Quote from: Slaky on March 24, 2016, 11:09:31 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 24, 2016, 10:27:51 AM
Fucking 32% on Rotten Tomatoes. 44% on Metacritic. Much as I expected it to be terrible I expected them to cram enough fireworks into it to entertain more people than that. It's apparently not only bad but also boring.
I might not even see this. I'm really annoyed - I thought it would be critically panned but watchable. Apparently it's not even watchable. Kind of like Man Of Steel which I refuse to watch.
The defense I have heard from people who liked Man of Steel, and who were determined to like this, is that "so what, it's a popcorn flick, all it has to do is be an entertaining slugfest", but the problem is that if you watch Man of Steel with all it's rancid dialogue about "you will give them hope!" and you listen to Snyder's Ayn Rand bullshit when discussing MoS and BvS, he very clearly thought there was some grand philosophical statement he was making with these movies. So the complete lack of any kind of humor or fun makes it hard to just turn off your brain and watch the inevitable CGI 'splosions because he's spent two hours making sure you know this is a very serious film for serious people.
Chris Reeve was on SyFy last night doing, "Bad vibrations?" What that reminded me of was how NO ONE in MoS smiled. Well, Supes did when he was learning to fly for one quick instant, but that was it. Nothing fun.
Shindler's List is serious film. JJ Abrams made a really dumb Star Wars movie that was great because the characters were having fun. Snyder should actually allow some joy in his films.
Was the only part of 300 where anyone smiled when the Spartans stopped the initial Persian advance?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on March 24, 2016, 11:22:16 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 24, 2016, 11:13:56 AM
Quote from: Slaky on March 24, 2016, 11:09:31 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 24, 2016, 10:27:51 AM
Fucking 32% on Rotten Tomatoes. 44% on Metacritic. Much as I expected it to be terrible I expected them to cram enough fireworks into it to entertain more people than that. It's apparently not only bad but also boring.
I might not even see this. I'm really annoyed - I thought it would be critically panned but watchable. Apparently it's not even watchable. Kind of like Man Of Steel which I refuse to watch.
The defense I have heard from people who liked Man of Steel, and who were determined to like this, is that "so what, it's a popcorn flick, all it has to do is be an entertaining slugfest", but the problem is that if you watch Man of Steel with all it's rancid dialogue about "you will give them hope!" and you listen to Snyder's Ayn Rand bullshit when discussing MoS and BvS, he very clearly thought there was some grand philosophical statement he was making with these movies. So the complete lack of any kind of humor or fun makes it hard to just turn off your brain and watch the inevitable CGI 'splosions because he's spent two hours making sure you know this is a very serious film for serious people.
Chris Reeve was on SyFy last night doing, "Bad vibrations?" What that reminded me of was how NO ONE in MoS smiled. Well, Supes did when he was learning to fly for one quick instant, but that was it. Nothing fun.
Shindler's List is serious film. JJ Abrams made a really dumb Star Wars movie that was great because the characters were having fun. Snyder should actually allow some joy in his films.
Was the only part of 300 where anyone smiled when the Spartans stopped the initial Persian advance?
Christopher Nolan and Bryan Singer are about the only guys smart enough to actually make the whole "straight take" of a superhero work, and even in Nolan's case the seams started to show in TDKR when he brought in Catwoman and stuff. It would never work in a world where you have to make Batman work with Superman. Singer got kind of a softball, because it's easy to make the X-Men franchise into a serious discussion about prejudice and stuff.
Snyder's movies have all made it clear he's got no understanding of subtlety or nuance and his philosophy tends to skew towards "19 year old bro who got a B- in Philosophy 101 and really liked The Fountainhead". Letting him try to turn the goddamn Justice League into some kind of Wagnerian Epic was always going to end this way.
Marvel gets it. You can stay true to some of the more serious themes of your comics while making movies that are fun and entertaining and family friendly.
Really Batman v Superman is probably what guys like me deserve for hanging onto this superhero stuff way too intensely for too long. We keep demanding movies about the characters we loved tailored to our age group so eventually we get a poop face Superman and Batman so violent and dark it makes you forget why the hell we fell in love with those characters as kids, when they wore bright colors and occasionally saved people.
Quote from: SKO on March 24, 2016, 11:28:48 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on March 24, 2016, 11:22:16 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 24, 2016, 11:13:56 AM
Quote from: Slaky on March 24, 2016, 11:09:31 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 24, 2016, 10:27:51 AM
Fucking 32% on Rotten Tomatoes. 44% on Metacritic. Much as I expected it to be terrible I expected them to cram enough fireworks into it to entertain more people than that. It's apparently not only bad but also boring.
I might not even see this. I'm really annoyed - I thought it would be critically panned but watchable. Apparently it's not even watchable. Kind of like Man Of Steel which I refuse to watch.
The defense I have heard from people who liked Man of Steel, and who were determined to like this, is that "so what, it's a popcorn flick, all it has to do is be an entertaining slugfest", but the problem is that if you watch Man of Steel with all it's rancid dialogue about "you will give them hope!" and you listen to Snyder's Ayn Rand bullshit when discussing MoS and BvS, he very clearly thought there was some grand philosophical statement he was making with these movies. So the complete lack of any kind of humor or fun makes it hard to just turn off your brain and watch the inevitable CGI 'splosions because he's spent two hours making sure you know this is a very serious film for serious people.
Chris Reeve was on SyFy last night doing, "Bad vibrations?" What that reminded me of was how NO ONE in MoS smiled. Well, Supes did when he was learning to fly for one quick instant, but that was it. Nothing fun.
Shindler's List is serious film. JJ Abrams made a really dumb Star Wars movie that was great because the characters were having fun. Snyder should actually allow some joy in his films.
Was the only part of 300 where anyone smiled when the Spartans stopped the initial Persian advance?
Christopher Nolan and Bryan Singer are about the only guys smart enough to actually make the whole "straight take" of a superhero work, and even in Nolan's case the seams started to show in TDKR when he brought in Catwoman and stuff. It would never work in a world where you have to make Batman work with Superman. Singer got kind of a softball, because it's easy to make the X-Men franchise into a serious discussion about prejudice and stuff.
Snyder's movies have all made it clear he's got no understanding of subtlety or nuance and his philosophy tends to skew towards "19 year old bro who got a B- in Philosophy 101 and really liked The Fountainhead". Letting him try to turn the goddamn Justice League into some kind of Wagnerian Epic was always going to end this way.
Marvel gets it. You can stay true to some of the more serious themes of your comics while making movies that are fun and entertaining and family friendly.
Really Batman v Superman is probably what guys like me deserve for hanging onto this superhero stuff way too intensely for too long. We keep demanding movies about the characters we loved tailored to our age group so eventually we get a poop face Superman and Batman so violent and dark it makes you forget why the hell we fell in love with those characters as kids, when they wore bright colors and occasionally saved people.
(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/batman/images/e/e7/Batman-Robin-1966-TV-Adam-West-Batusi-Wallpaper.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20111123185020)
(http://i.imgur.com/i7Kpzw2.jpg)
Quote from: SKO on March 24, 2016, 11:13:56 AM
Quote from: Slaky on March 24, 2016, 11:09:31 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 24, 2016, 10:27:51 AM
Fucking 32% on Rotten Tomatoes. 44% on Metacritic. Much as I expected it to be terrible I expected them to cram enough fireworks into it to entertain more people than that. It's apparently not only bad but also boring.
I might not even see this. I'm really annoyed - I thought it would be critically panned but watchable. Apparently it's not even watchable. Kind of like Man Of Steel which I refuse to watch.
The defense I have heard from people who liked Man of Steel, and who were determined to like this, is that "so what, it's a popcorn flick, all it has to do is be an entertaining slugfest", but the problem is that if you watch Man of Steel with all it's rancid dialogue about "you will give them hope!" and you listen to Snyder's Ayn Rand bullshit when discussing MoS and BvS, he very clearly thought there was some grand philosophical statement he was making with these movies. So the complete lack of any kind of humor or fun makes it hard to just turn off your brain and watch the inevitable CGI 'splosions because he's spent two hours making sure you know this is a very serious film for serious people.
You seem to understand why I don't care for these movies and like to mock people who are keeping these franchises fat while very little of substance is produced. If I can watch a serious movie for a serious person that happens to have explosions and whatever, I'm great. If it's about turning off my brain and just enjoying CGI, I'd rather not. As you've noted, the graphic novels these films are based upon, do challenge your intellect and tug on your heart strings. But when they hit the big screen, this is all missing.
So, yeah, fuck me for expecting more from a film that I spend time and money on than a Phantom Menace in pajamas making things blow up. When there is something to sink my brain into, I get excited and happy and feel moved by the art I've just engrossed myself in. When that's not there, I'm bored. I get on my phone. I read a book - perhaps even a graphic novel if the accident will.
I'm not going to rip on you for wanting to turn off your brain and watch shit blow up. You know, to each his own. But this is where I'm coming from and you seem to understand that completely.
That said, comic book movies are fucking stupid.
Quote from: InternetApex on March 28, 2016, 10:40:32 AM
So, yeah, fuck me for expecting more from a film that I spend time and money on than a Phantom Menace in pajamas making things blow up. When there is something to sink my brain into, I get excited and happy and feel moved by the art I've just engrossed myself in. When that's not there, I'm bored. I get on my phone. I read a book - perhaps even a graphic novel if the accident will.
I'm not going to rip on you for wanting to turn off your brain and watch shit blow up. You know, to each his own. But this is where I'm coming from and you seem to understand that completely.
That said, comic book movies are fucking stupid.
I mean I prefer the Dark Knight to the Avengers, although I enjoy them both. The Dark Knight had a lot of really smart things to say while also being incredibly well paced and entertaining without feeling like a 3 hour funeral march, which seems to be the critical consensus on B v S (I am seeing it next weekend so RV will get his desired HOT TAEK then). The Avengers was a "turn your brain off" movie and it was snappy, funny, and lighthearted. Those are really your two avenues when making really these movies, and if you choose the Dark Knight route you'd better be a lot fucking smarter than Zack Snyder.
Even so, I found the second Avengers movie a lot less entertaining than the first, Iron Man 2 and 3 left basically no impression on me, and Ant-Man was just okay. I don't have a problem with someone saying "a lot of these comic book movies are derivative and unoriginal" and that we're getting too many of them and most of them add nothing of value.
I just don't like the criticism of "I don't like comic book movies, etc." because there's such a vast difference in subject matter and approach between a Batman v Superman and an Ant-Man that lumping them together seems pointless. They're completely different movies that have only the common bond of "they were both based on characters who appeared in picture books first".
Quote from: SKO on March 28, 2016, 10:56:11 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 28, 2016, 10:40:32 AM
So, yeah, fuck me for expecting more from a film that I spend time and money on than a Phantom Menace in pajamas making things blow up. When there is something to sink my brain into, I get excited and happy and feel moved by the art I've just engrossed myself in. When that's not there, I'm bored. I get on my phone. I read a book - perhaps even a graphic novel if the accident will.
I'm not going to rip on you for wanting to turn off your brain and watch shit blow up. You know, to each his own. But this is where I'm coming from and you seem to understand that completely.
That said, comic book movies are fucking stupid.
I mean I prefer the Dark Knight to the Avengers, although I enjoy them both. The Dark Knight had a lot of really smart things to say while also being incredibly well paced and entertaining without feeling like a 3 hour funeral march, which seems to be the critical consensus on B v S (I am seeing it next weekend so RV will get his desired HOT TAEK then). The Avengers was a "turn your brain off" movie and it was snappy, funny, and lighthearted. Those are really your two avenues when making really these movies, and if you choose the Dark Knight route you'd better be a lot fucking smarter than Zack Snyder.
Even so, I found the second Avengers movie a lot less entertaining than the first, Iron Man 2 and 3 left basically no impression on me, and Ant-Man was just okay. I don't have a problem with someone saying "a lot of these comic book movies are derivative and unoriginal" and that we're getting too many of them and most of them add nothing of value.
I just don't like the criticism of "I don't like comic book movies, etc." because there's such a vast difference in subject matter and approach between a Batman v Superman and an Ant-Man that lumping them together seems pointless. They're completely different movies that have only the common bond of "they were both based on characters who appeared in picture books first".
So there are good ones and bad ones. I can't tell which is which though because the people who love these films don't give a crap. So I'm stuck wondering if I'll like a comic book movie and defaulting to: Is it Dark Knight? If Yes, watch. If No, stay the hell away.
So it's not pointless to lump them together. It saves me the grief of getting burned by Iron Man 2 and the like. If something is so great that non-comic fans are lining up to give it a go, that's probably when I get in. But so many people love these dumb fucking things that I don't know where to start. Where the comic book movie haters? Let's unite.
Quote from: InternetApex on March 28, 2016, 05:30:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 28, 2016, 10:56:11 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 28, 2016, 10:40:32 AM
So, yeah, fuck me for expecting more from a film that I spend time and money on than a Phantom Menace in pajamas making things blow up. When there is something to sink my brain into, I get excited and happy and feel moved by the art I've just engrossed myself in. When that's not there, I'm bored. I get on my phone. I read a book - perhaps even a graphic novel if the accident will.
I'm not going to rip on you for wanting to turn off your brain and watch shit blow up. You know, to each his own. But this is where I'm coming from and you seem to understand that completely.
That said, comic book movies are fucking stupid.
I mean I prefer the Dark Knight to the Avengers, although I enjoy them both. The Dark Knight had a lot of really smart things to say while also being incredibly well paced and entertaining without feeling like a 3 hour funeral march, which seems to be the critical consensus on B v S (I am seeing it next weekend so RV will get his desired HOT TAEK then). The Avengers was a "turn your brain off" movie and it was snappy, funny, and lighthearted. Those are really your two avenues when making really these movies, and if you choose the Dark Knight route you'd better be a lot fucking smarter than Zack Snyder.
Even so, I found the second Avengers movie a lot less entertaining than the first, Iron Man 2 and 3 left basically no impression on me, and Ant-Man was just okay. I don't have a problem with someone saying "a lot of these comic book movies are derivative and unoriginal" and that we're getting too many of them and most of them add nothing of value.
I just don't like the criticism of "I don't like comic book movies, etc." because there's such a vast difference in subject matter and approach between a Batman v Superman and an Ant-Man that lumping them together seems pointless. They're completely different movies that have only the common bond of "they were both based on characters who appeared in picture books first".
So there are good ones and bad ones. I can't tell which is which though because the people who love these films don't give a crap. So I'm stuck wondering if I'll like a comic book movie and defaulting to: Is it Dark Knight? If Yes, watch. If No, stay the hell away.
So it's not pointless to lump them together. It saves me the grief of getting burned by Iron Man 2 and the like. If something is so great that non-comic fans are lining up to give it a go, that's probably when I get in. But so many people love these dumb fucking things that I don't know where to start. Where the comic book movie haters? Let's unite.
I took enough symbolic logic in college to know that you just basically made the same argument as people who say "I like everything but rap and country."
Quote from: Bort on March 28, 2016, 05:38:29 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 28, 2016, 05:30:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 28, 2016, 10:56:11 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 28, 2016, 10:40:32 AM
So, yeah, fuck me for expecting more from a film that I spend time and money on than a Phantom Menace in pajamas making things blow up. When there is something to sink my brain into, I get excited and happy and feel moved by the art I've just engrossed myself in. When that's not there, I'm bored. I get on my phone. I read a book - perhaps even a graphic novel if the accident will.
I'm not going to rip on you for wanting to turn off your brain and watch shit blow up. You know, to each his own. But this is where I'm coming from and you seem to understand that completely.
That said, comic book movies are fucking stupid.
I mean I prefer the Dark Knight to the Avengers, although I enjoy them both. The Dark Knight had a lot of really smart things to say while also being incredibly well paced and entertaining without feeling like a 3 hour funeral march, which seems to be the critical consensus on B v S (I am seeing it next weekend so RV will get his desired HOT TAEK then). The Avengers was a "turn your brain off" movie and it was snappy, funny, and lighthearted. Those are really your two avenues when making really these movies, and if you choose the Dark Knight route you'd better be a lot fucking smarter than Zack Snyder.
Even so, I found the second Avengers movie a lot less entertaining than the first, Iron Man 2 and 3 left basically no impression on me, and Ant-Man was just okay. I don't have a problem with someone saying "a lot of these comic book movies are derivative and unoriginal" and that we're getting too many of them and most of them add nothing of value.
I just don't like the criticism of "I don't like comic book movies, etc." because there's such a vast difference in subject matter and approach between a Batman v Superman and an Ant-Man that lumping them together seems pointless. They're completely different movies that have only the common bond of "they were both based on characters who appeared in picture books first".
So there are good ones and bad ones. I can't tell which is which though because the people who love these films don't give a crap. So I'm stuck wondering if I'll like a comic book movie and defaulting to: Is it Dark Knight? If Yes, watch. If No, stay the hell away.
So it's not pointless to lump them together. It saves me the grief of getting burned by Iron Man 2 and the like. If something is so great that non-comic fans are lining up to give it a go, that's probably when I get in. But so many people love these dumb fucking things that I don't know where to start. Where the comic book movie haters? Let's unite.
I took enough symbolic logic in college to know that you just basically made the same argument as people who say "I like everything but rap and country."
Easy there, college boy.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on March 28, 2016, 05:41:24 PM
Quote from: Bort on March 28, 2016, 05:38:29 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 28, 2016, 05:30:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 28, 2016, 10:56:11 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 28, 2016, 10:40:32 AM
So, yeah, fuck me for expecting more from a film that I spend time and money on than a Phantom Menace in pajamas making things blow up. When there is something to sink my brain into, I get excited and happy and feel moved by the art I've just engrossed myself in. When that's not there, I'm bored. I get on my phone. I read a book - perhaps even a graphic novel if the accident will.
I'm not going to rip on you for wanting to turn off your brain and watch shit blow up. You know, to each his own. But this is where I'm coming from and you seem to understand that completely.
That said, comic book movies are fucking stupid.
I mean I prefer the Dark Knight to the Avengers, although I enjoy them both. The Dark Knight had a lot of really smart things to say while also being incredibly well paced and entertaining without feeling like a 3 hour funeral march, which seems to be the critical consensus on B v S (I am seeing it next weekend so RV will get his desired HOT TAEK then). The Avengers was a "turn your brain off" movie and it was snappy, funny, and lighthearted. Those are really your two avenues when making really these movies, and if you choose the Dark Knight route you'd better be a lot fucking smarter than Zack Snyder.
Even so, I found the second Avengers movie a lot less entertaining than the first, Iron Man 2 and 3 left basically no impression on me, and Ant-Man was just okay. I don't have a problem with someone saying "a lot of these comic book movies are derivative and unoriginal" and that we're getting too many of them and most of them add nothing of value.
I just don't like the criticism of "I don't like comic book movies, etc." because there's such a vast difference in subject matter and approach between a Batman v Superman and an Ant-Man that lumping them together seems pointless. They're completely different movies that have only the common bond of "they were both based on characters who appeared in picture books first".
So there are good ones and bad ones. I can't tell which is which though because the people who love these films don't give a crap. So I'm stuck wondering if I'll like a comic book movie and defaulting to: Is it Dark Knight? If Yes, watch. If No, stay the hell away.
So it's not pointless to lump them together. It saves me the grief of getting burned by Iron Man 2 and the like. If something is so great that non-comic fans are lining up to give it a go, that's probably when I get in. But so many people love these dumb fucking things that I don't know where to start. Where the comic book movie haters? Let's unite.
I took enough symbolic logic in college to know that you just basically made the same argument as people who say "I like everything but rap and country."
Easy there, college boy.
Hey, you spend 9 years as an undergrad, and sooner or later something sinks in.
I'll just leave this here: http://www.theguardian.com/film/shortcuts/2016/mar/29/most-savage-batman-v-superman-dawn-justice-reviews (http://www.theguardian.com/film/shortcuts/2016/mar/29/most-savage-batman-v-superman-dawn-justice-reviews)
"Characters intone expository dialogue in a manner that suggests they are heavily constipated."
"A stink bucket of disappointment, a sad and unnecessary PG-13 orphan fight..."
"A storytelling disgrace."
"It is about as diverting as having a porcelain sink broken over your head ..."
"It should really be called Batman and Superman v the Audience."
Quote from: Tonker on March 29, 2016, 10:22:19 AM
"... a sad and unnecessary PG-13 orphan fight..."
That's a fantastic turn of phrase.
Quote from: Tonker on March 29, 2016, 10:22:19 AM
I'll just leave this here: http://www.theguardian.com/film/shortcuts/2016/mar/29/most-savage-batman-v-superman-dawn-justice-reviews (http://www.theguardian.com/film/shortcuts/2016/mar/29/most-savage-batman-v-superman-dawn-justice-reviews)
"Characters intone expository dialogue in a manner that suggests they are heavily constipated."
"A stink bucket of disappointment, a sad and unnecessary PG-13 orphan fight..."
"A storytelling disgrace."
"It is about as diverting as having a porcelain sink broken over your head ..."
"It should really be called Batman and Superman v the Audience."
That's excellent. This is also similarly excellent: http://www.tor.com/2016/03/28/an-oral-history-of-batman-v-superman-as-told-by-its-critics-2/
I think the sickest burn of the movie I've seen started with "From Zack Snyder, director of Sucker Punch". I mean, harsh, bro.
Holy shit what a disaster.
Cardinal sin, much like Man of Steel, is that it's fucking BORING. The entire first half is almost devoid of action barring a few bizarre and awful nonsensical dream sequences. There's no through line or any graceful transition between scenes, either. Shit happens, more shit happens, none of it is related. The score is goddamn oppressive. Any time you might try to actually get invested in a scene it's drowned out with BWOOOOOOONNNGGG and chanting. The final fight drags on forever and becomes so CGI laden and punch punch punch building falls EXPLOSION that you can barely tell what's happening and it gets boring. It's a bad movie regardless of whether you like comics or not.
From a comic fan standpoint though my god does it fuck everything up. Batman killing? You betcha. Superman moping the entire time? Oh yeah. Superman once again not deciding to be fucking heroic in the slightest unless Lois is in danger or one of his dead dads tells him to? Certainly.
At one point Superman--FUCKING SUPERMAN-- says "no one stays good in this world." SUPERMAN SAID THAT
There's your "it stands for hope" i guess. Go fuck yourself David Goyer and Zack Snyder.
Oh and Batman is a fucking idiot. That's it. The entire plot doesn't work unless THE WORLD'S GREATEST DETECTIVE is an easily manipulated jagoff with an itch for murderin' and by god and he is and he's got one!
Also if you've read The Dark Knight Returns just know Zack Snyder has, too. He recites about 20 lines of dialogue from it, word for word, and several scenes are taken from it , but he's divorced them entirely from their original context and meaning and made them even more cynical and worse than they were in a book about Superman and Batman fighting in a post nuclear apocalypse.
Jesse Eisenberg is the worst part of this movie and it ain't even close. He talks like a man doing a bad impersonation of Heath Ledger's Joker because no one explained Lex Luthor to him, I guess.
Lois Lane again basically only gets in danger so Superman will have something to do by saving her. Perry White again values selling papers over telling the truth, which shits on literally the only reason Perry White exists. Jimmy Olsen is in this long enough to get shot in the head.
The whole thing opens with Bruce's parents getting shot, of course, but we keep going back to it in case you forget it. It then shows things from a 9/11 survivor's perspective. I mean...it shows us Bruce Wayne being utterly helpless as skyscrapers full of people collapse and neither Batman nor Superman helps them. What a wonderful image.
Doomsday's CGI is fucking terrible.
The Batcave/mobile were cool and Wonder Woman was pretty close to perfect. Superman has one exchange with Lois that actually feels like Superman saying a thing Superman would say before SPOILER ALERT sacrificing himself to kill Doomsday. Those are the total of nice things I have to say about this movie.
What a drab, cynical, joyless, humorless, tone deaf, self important, wannabe pretentious piece of shit. It's going to make too much money for them to kill the whole franchise but for fuck's sake get rid of the two douchebags that don't even like Superman but keep making movies about him.
Quote from: SKO on April 03, 2016, 12:53:13 AM
Holy shit what a disaster.
Cardinal sin, much like Man of Steel, is that it's fucking BORING. The entire first half is almost devoid of action barring a few bizarre and awful nonsensical dream sequences. There's no through line or any graceful transition between scenes, either. Shit happens, more shit happens, none of it is related. The score is goddamn oppressive. Any time you might try to actually get invested in a scene it's drowned out with BWOOOOOOONNNGGG and chanting. The final fight drags on forever and becomes so CGI laden and punch punch punch building falls EXPLOSION that you can barely tell what's happening and it gets boring. It's a bad movie regardless of whether you like comics or not.
From a comic fan standpoint though my god does it fuck everything up. Batman killing? You betcha. Superman moping the entire time? Oh yeah. Superman once again not deciding to be fucking heroic in the slightest unless Lois is in danger or one of his dead dads tells him to? Certainly.
At one point Superman--FUCKING SUPERMAN-- says "no one stays good in this world." SUPERMAN SAID THAT
There's your "it stands for hope" i guess. Go fuck yourself David Goyer and Zack Snyder.
Oh and Batman is a fucking idiot. That's it. The entire plot doesn't work unless THE WORLD'S GREATEST DETECTIVE is an easily manipulated jagoff with an itch for murderin' and by god and he is and he's got one!
Also if you've read The Dark Knight Returns just know Zack Snyder has, too. He recites about 20 lines of dialogue from it, word for word, and several scenes are taken from it , but he's divorced them entirely from their original context and meaning and made them even more cynical and worse than they were in a book about Superman and Batman fighting in a post nuclear apocalypse.
Jesse Eisenberg is the worst part of this movie and it ain't even close. He talks like a man doing a bad impersonation of Heath Ledger's Joker because no one explained Lex Luthor to him, I guess.
Lois Lane again basically only gets in danger so Superman will have something to do by saving her. Perry White again values selling papers over telling the truth, which shits on literally the only reason Perry White exists. Jimmy Olsen is in this long enough to get shot in the head.
The whole thing opens with Bruce's parents getting shot, of course, but we keep going back to it in case you forget it. It then shows things from a 9/11 survivor's perspective. I mean...it shows us Bruce Wayne being utterly helpless as skyscrapers full of people collapse and neither Batman nor Superman helps them. What a wonderful image.
Doomsday's CGI is fucking terrible.
The Batcave/mobile were cool and Wonder Woman was pretty close to perfect. Superman has one exchange with Lois that actually feels like Superman saying a thing Superman would say before SPOILER ALERT sacrificing himself to kill Doomsday. Those are the total of nice things I have to say about this movie.
What a drab, cynical, joyless, humorless, tone deaf, self important, wannabe pretentious piece of shit. It's going to make too much money for them to kill the whole franchise but for fuck's sake get rid of the two douchebags that don't even like Superman but keep making movies about him.
Honestly this is the only review anyone will ever need to read. Staying far, far away, and thank you for your sacrifice.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 03, 2016, 02:21:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 03, 2016, 12:53:13 AM
Holy shit what a disaster.
Cardinal sin, much like Man of Steel, is that it's fucking BORING. The entire first half is almost devoid of action barring a few bizarre and awful nonsensical dream sequences. There's no through line or any graceful transition between scenes, either. Shit happens, more shit happens, none of it is related. The score is goddamn oppressive. Any time you might try to actually get invested in a scene it's drowned out with BWOOOOOOONNNGGG and chanting. The final fight drags on forever and becomes so CGI laden and punch punch punch building falls EXPLOSION that you can barely tell what's happening and it gets boring. It's a bad movie regardless of whether you like comics or not.
From a comic fan standpoint though my god does it fuck everything up. Batman killing? You betcha. Superman moping the entire time? Oh yeah. Superman once again not deciding to be fucking heroic in the slightest unless Lois is in danger or one of his dead dads tells him to? Certainly.
At one point Superman--FUCKING SUPERMAN-- says "no one stays good in this world." SUPERMAN SAID THAT
There's your "it stands for hope" i guess. Go fuck yourself David Goyer and Zack Snyder.
Oh and Batman is a fucking idiot. That's it. The entire plot doesn't work unless THE WORLD'S GREATEST DETECTIVE is an easily manipulated jagoff with an itch for murderin' and by god and he is and he's got one!
Also if you've read The Dark Knight Returns just know Zack Snyder has, too. He recites about 20 lines of dialogue from it, word for word, and several scenes are taken from it , but he's divorced them entirely from their original context and meaning and made them even more cynical and worse than they were in a book about Superman and Batman fighting in a post nuclear apocalypse.
Jesse Eisenberg is the worst part of this movie and it ain't even close. He talks like a man doing a bad impersonation of Heath Ledger's Joker because no one explained Lex Luthor to him, I guess.
Lois Lane again basically only gets in danger so Superman will have something to do by saving her. Perry White again values selling papers over telling the truth, which shits on literally the only reason Perry White exists. Jimmy Olsen is in this long enough to get shot in the head.
The whole thing opens with Bruce's parents getting shot, of course, but we keep going back to it in case you forget it. It then shows things from a 9/11 survivor's perspective. I mean...it shows us Bruce Wayne being utterly helpless as skyscrapers full of people collapse and neither Batman nor Superman helps them. What a wonderful image.
Doomsday's CGI is fucking terrible.
The Batcave/mobile were cool and Wonder Woman was pretty close to perfect. Superman has one exchange with Lois that actually feels like Superman saying a thing Superman would say before SPOILER ALERT sacrificing himself to kill Doomsday. Those are the total of nice things I have to say about this movie.
What a drab, cynical, joyless, humorless, tone deaf, self important, wannabe pretentious piece of shit. It's going to make too much money for them to kill the whole franchise but for fuck's sake get rid of the two douchebags that don't even like Superman but keep making movies about him.
Honestly this is the only review anyone will ever need to read. Staying far, far away, and thank you for your sacrifice.
I'm going to be mad if RV doesn't at least thank me for this review after goading me into this.
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 12:39:40 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 03, 2016, 02:21:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 03, 2016, 12:53:13 AM
Holy shit what a disaster.
Cardinal sin, much like Man of Steel, is that it's fucking BORING. The entire first half is almost devoid of action barring a few bizarre and awful nonsensical dream sequences. There's no through line or any graceful transition between scenes, either. Shit happens, more shit happens, none of it is related. The score is goddamn oppressive. Any time you might try to actually get invested in a scene it's drowned out with BWOOOOOOONNNGGG and chanting. The final fight drags on forever and becomes so CGI laden and punch punch punch building falls EXPLOSION that you can barely tell what's happening and it gets boring. It's a bad movie regardless of whether you like comics or not.
From a comic fan standpoint though my god does it fuck everything up. Batman killing? You betcha. Superman moping the entire time? Oh yeah. Superman once again not deciding to be fucking heroic in the slightest unless Lois is in danger or one of his dead dads tells him to? Certainly.
At one point Superman--FUCKING SUPERMAN-- says "no one stays good in this world." SUPERMAN SAID THAT
There's your "it stands for hope" i guess. Go fuck yourself David Goyer and Zack Snyder.
Oh and Batman is a fucking idiot. That's it. The entire plot doesn't work unless THE WORLD'S GREATEST DETECTIVE is an easily manipulated jagoff with an itch for murderin' and by god and he is and he's got one!
Also if you've read The Dark Knight Returns just know Zack Snyder has, too. He recites about 20 lines of dialogue from it, word for word, and several scenes are taken from it , but he's divorced them entirely from their original context and meaning and made them even more cynical and worse than they were in a book about Superman and Batman fighting in a post nuclear apocalypse.
Jesse Eisenberg is the worst part of this movie and it ain't even close. He talks like a man doing a bad impersonation of Heath Ledger's Joker because no one explained Lex Luthor to him, I guess.
Lois Lane again basically only gets in danger so Superman will have something to do by saving her. Perry White again values selling papers over telling the truth, which shits on literally the only reason Perry White exists. Jimmy Olsen is in this long enough to get shot in the head.
The whole thing opens with Bruce's parents getting shot, of course, but we keep going back to it in case you forget it. It then shows things from a 9/11 survivor's perspective. I mean...it shows us Bruce Wayne being utterly helpless as skyscrapers full of people collapse and neither Batman nor Superman helps them. What a wonderful image.
Doomsday's CGI is fucking terrible.
The Batcave/mobile were cool and Wonder Woman was pretty close to perfect. Superman has one exchange with Lois that actually feels like Superman saying a thing Superman would say before SPOILER ALERT sacrificing himself to kill Doomsday. Those are the total of nice things I have to say about this movie.
What a drab, cynical, joyless, humorless, tone deaf, self important, wannabe pretentious piece of shit. It's going to make too much money for them to kill the whole franchise but for fuck's sake get rid of the two douchebags that don't even like Superman but keep making movies about him.
Honestly this is the only review anyone will ever need to read. Staying far, far away, and thank you for your sacrifice.
I'm going to be mad if RV doesn't at least thank me for this review after goading me into this.
I liked your Facebook review but I like this one even more. No desire to see this movie.
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 12:39:40 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 03, 2016, 02:21:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 03, 2016, 12:53:13 AM
Holy shit what a disaster.
Cardinal sin, much like Man of Steel, is that it's fucking BORING. The entire first half is almost devoid of action barring a few bizarre and awful nonsensical dream sequences. There's no through line or any graceful transition between scenes, either. Shit happens, more shit happens, none of it is related. The score is goddamn oppressive. Any time you might try to actually get invested in a scene it's drowned out with BWOOOOOOONNNGGG and chanting. The final fight drags on forever and becomes so CGI laden and punch punch punch building falls EXPLOSION that you can barely tell what's happening and it gets boring. It's a bad movie regardless of whether you like comics or not.
From a comic fan standpoint though my god does it fuck everything up. Batman killing? You betcha. Superman moping the entire time? Oh yeah. Superman once again not deciding to be fucking heroic in the slightest unless Lois is in danger or one of his dead dads tells him to? Certainly.
At one point Superman--FUCKING SUPERMAN-- says "no one stays good in this world." SUPERMAN SAID THAT
There's your "it stands for hope" i guess. Go fuck yourself David Goyer and Zack Snyder.
Oh and Batman is a fucking idiot. That's it. The entire plot doesn't work unless THE WORLD'S GREATEST DETECTIVE is an easily manipulated jagoff with an itch for murderin' and by god and he is and he's got one!
Also if you've read The Dark Knight Returns just know Zack Snyder has, too. He recites about 20 lines of dialogue from it, word for word, and several scenes are taken from it , but he's divorced them entirely from their original context and meaning and made them even more cynical and worse than they were in a book about Superman and Batman fighting in a post nuclear apocalypse.
Jesse Eisenberg is the worst part of this movie and it ain't even close. He talks like a man doing a bad impersonation of Heath Ledger's Joker because no one explained Lex Luthor to him, I guess.
Lois Lane again basically only gets in danger so Superman will have something to do by saving her. Perry White again values selling papers over telling the truth, which shits on literally the only reason Perry White exists. Jimmy Olsen is in this long enough to get shot in the head.
The whole thing opens with Bruce's parents getting shot, of course, but we keep going back to it in case you forget it. It then shows things from a 9/11 survivor's perspective. I mean...it shows us Bruce Wayne being utterly helpless as skyscrapers full of people collapse and neither Batman nor Superman helps them. What a wonderful image.
Doomsday's CGI is fucking terrible.
The Batcave/mobile were cool and Wonder Woman was pretty close to perfect. Superman has one exchange with Lois that actually feels like Superman saying a thing Superman would say before SPOILER ALERT sacrificing himself to kill Doomsday. Those are the total of nice things I have to say about this movie.
What a drab, cynical, joyless, humorless, tone deaf, self important, wannabe pretentious piece of shit. It's going to make too much money for them to kill the whole franchise but for fuck's sake get rid of the two douchebags that don't even like Superman but keep making movies about him.
Honestly this is the only review anyone will ever need to read. Staying far, far away, and thank you for your sacrifice.
I'm going to be mad if RV doesn't at least thank me for this review after goading me into this.
Excellent coerced review. Would read again!
Quote from: Tony on April 04, 2016, 02:21:14 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 12:39:40 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 03, 2016, 02:21:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 03, 2016, 12:53:13 AM
Holy shit what a disaster.
Cardinal sin, much like Man of Steel, is that it's fucking BORING. The entire first half is almost devoid of action barring a few bizarre and awful nonsensical dream sequences. There's no through line or any graceful transition between scenes, either. Shit happens, more shit happens, none of it is related. The score is goddamn oppressive. Any time you might try to actually get invested in a scene it's drowned out with BWOOOOOOONNNGGG and chanting. The final fight drags on forever and becomes so CGI laden and punch punch punch building falls EXPLOSION that you can barely tell what's happening and it gets boring. It's a bad movie regardless of whether you like comics or not.
From a comic fan standpoint though my god does it fuck everything up. Batman killing? You betcha. Superman moping the entire time? Oh yeah. Superman once again not deciding to be fucking heroic in the slightest unless Lois is in danger or one of his dead dads tells him to? Certainly.
At one point Superman--FUCKING SUPERMAN-- says "no one stays good in this world." SUPERMAN SAID THAT
There's your "it stands for hope" i guess. Go fuck yourself David Goyer and Zack Snyder.
Oh and Batman is a fucking idiot. That's it. The entire plot doesn't work unless THE WORLD'S GREATEST DETECTIVE is an easily manipulated jagoff with an itch for murderin' and by god and he is and he's got one!
Also if you've read The Dark Knight Returns just know Zack Snyder has, too. He recites about 20 lines of dialogue from it, word for word, and several scenes are taken from it , but he's divorced them entirely from their original context and meaning and made them even more cynical and worse than they were in a book about Superman and Batman fighting in a post nuclear apocalypse.
Jesse Eisenberg is the worst part of this movie and it ain't even close. He talks like a man doing a bad impersonation of Heath Ledger's Joker because no one explained Lex Luthor to him, I guess.
Lois Lane again basically only gets in danger so Superman will have something to do by saving her. Perry White again values selling papers over telling the truth, which shits on literally the only reason Perry White exists. Jimmy Olsen is in this long enough to get shot in the head.
The whole thing opens with Bruce's parents getting shot, of course, but we keep going back to it in case you forget it. It then shows things from a 9/11 survivor's perspective. I mean...it shows us Bruce Wayne being utterly helpless as skyscrapers full of people collapse and neither Batman nor Superman helps them. What a wonderful image.
Doomsday's CGI is fucking terrible.
The Batcave/mobile were cool and Wonder Woman was pretty close to perfect. Superman has one exchange with Lois that actually feels like Superman saying a thing Superman would say before SPOILER ALERT sacrificing himself to kill Doomsday. Those are the total of nice things I have to say about this movie.
What a drab, cynical, joyless, humorless, tone deaf, self important, wannabe pretentious piece of shit. It's going to make too much money for them to kill the whole franchise but for fuck's sake get rid of the two douchebags that don't even like Superman but keep making movies about him.
Honestly this is the only review anyone will ever need to read. Staying far, far away, and thank you for your sacrifice.
I'm going to be mad if RV doesn't at least thank me for this review after goading me into this.
I liked your Facebook review but I like this one even more. No desire to see this movie.
I was glad that I went to a basically abandoned theater to watch this. There were 2 other people about 10 rows in front of me, so they were not bothered as I angrily texted my friend my live reactions. The notes were handy when I got home and wrote roughly 12,000 words on it on two different sites.
Since nobody is going to watch this I'll just say that this is how the fight actually goes down:
Lex Luthor pits Batman against Superman because he either wants A)Batman to figure out how to kill Superman for him or B) Superman to kill Batman with Lex's cameras watching so the whole world sees Superman is a murderer (as opposed to just a guy who killed another Alien while causing thousands of casualties as collateral damage).
He does this by kidnapping Martha Kent, and telling Superman he'll kill her if he doesn't kill or get killed by Batman. Superman tells Lois "I have to go convince Batman to help me!" and then spends like 10 minutes fighting him without ever really giving much effort to explaining to Batman that Lex Luthor has kidnapped his mom.
The whole thing eventually comes down to Batman preparing to stab Superman with a kryptonite spear when Superman says "HE'LL KILL MARTHA", which causes Bruce to flash back to his mother Martha's death for the 18th or 20th time in the movie, and when he's all "WHY ARE YOU SAYING THAT NAME" Lois Lane bursts in to say "THAT'S HIS MOTHER'S NAME" and after Superman finally explains his mom's kidnapping Batman just instantly becomes Super-friends with Superman even though all of his issues with Superman being an unchecked God haven't gone away at all. Why Superman said "they're going to kill Martha!" instead of "they're going to kill my mom!" is beyond me.
So Batman goes to rescue Martha, Superman goes to stop Lex, and Lex then unleashes Doomsday, which was his plan B for killing Superman if Batman didn't do it. But the thing is, Doomsday is about to be "born" or whatever from Lex's lab before the fight vs Batman even starts, and Lex doesn't seem like he can actually control him anyway. So if Superman had died at Batman's hands I guess Lex was just going to cackle like the Heath Ledger Joker wannabe he is while Doomsday wiped out the whole human race with no one to stop him?
God this movie was so fucking dumb.
Quote from: R-V on April 04, 2016, 02:23:15 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 12:39:40 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 03, 2016, 02:21:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 03, 2016, 12:53:13 AM
Holy shit what a disaster.
Cardinal sin, much like Man of Steel, is that it's fucking BORING. The entire first half is almost devoid of action barring a few bizarre and awful nonsensical dream sequences. There's no through line or any graceful transition between scenes, either. Shit happens, more shit happens, none of it is related. The score is goddamn oppressive. Any time you might try to actually get invested in a scene it's drowned out with BWOOOOOOONNNGGG and chanting. The final fight drags on forever and becomes so CGI laden and punch punch punch building falls EXPLOSION that you can barely tell what's happening and it gets boring. It's a bad movie regardless of whether you like comics or not.
From a comic fan standpoint though my god does it fuck everything up. Batman killing? You betcha. Superman moping the entire time? Oh yeah. Superman once again not deciding to be fucking heroic in the slightest unless Lois is in danger or one of his dead dads tells him to? Certainly.
At one point Superman--FUCKING SUPERMAN-- says "no one stays good in this world." SUPERMAN SAID THAT
There's your "it stands for hope" i guess. Go fuck yourself David Goyer and Zack Snyder.
Oh and Batman is a fucking idiot. That's it. The entire plot doesn't work unless THE WORLD'S GREATEST DETECTIVE is an easily manipulated jagoff with an itch for murderin' and by god and he is and he's got one!
Also if you've read The Dark Knight Returns just know Zack Snyder has, too. He recites about 20 lines of dialogue from it, word for word, and several scenes are taken from it , but he's divorced them entirely from their original context and meaning and made them even more cynical and worse than they were in a book about Superman and Batman fighting in a post nuclear apocalypse.
Jesse Eisenberg is the worst part of this movie and it ain't even close. He talks like a man doing a bad impersonation of Heath Ledger's Joker because no one explained Lex Luthor to him, I guess.
Lois Lane again basically only gets in danger so Superman will have something to do by saving her. Perry White again values selling papers over telling the truth, which shits on literally the only reason Perry White exists. Jimmy Olsen is in this long enough to get shot in the head.
The whole thing opens with Bruce's parents getting shot, of course, but we keep going back to it in case you forget it. It then shows things from a 9/11 survivor's perspective. I mean...it shows us Bruce Wayne being utterly helpless as skyscrapers full of people collapse and neither Batman nor Superman helps them. What a wonderful image.
Doomsday's CGI is fucking terrible.
The Batcave/mobile were cool and Wonder Woman was pretty close to perfect. Superman has one exchange with Lois that actually feels like Superman saying a thing Superman would say before SPOILER ALERT sacrificing himself to kill Doomsday. Those are the total of nice things I have to say about this movie.
What a drab, cynical, joyless, humorless, tone deaf, self important, wannabe pretentious piece of shit. It's going to make too much money for them to kill the whole franchise but for fuck's sake get rid of the two douchebags that don't even like Superman but keep making movies about him.
Honestly this is the only review anyone will ever need to read. Staying far, far away, and thank you for your sacrifice.
I'm going to be mad if RV doesn't at least thank me for this review after goading me into this.
Excellent coerced review. Would read again!
When I think of the pain that you saved me...I am so grateful for this review.
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 02:35:11 PM
Since nobody is going to watch this I'll just say that this is how the fight actually goes down:
Lex Luthor pits Batman against Superman because he either wants A)Batman to figure out how to kill Superman for him or B) Superman to kill Batman with Lex's cameras watching so the whole world sees Superman is a murderer (as opposed to just a guy who killed another Alien while causing thousands of casualties as collateral damage).
He does this by kidnapping Martha Kent, and telling Superman he'll kill her if he doesn't kill or get killed by Batman. Superman tells Lois "I have to go convince Batman to help me!" and then spends like 10 minutes fighting him without ever really giving much effort to explaining to Batman that Lex Luthor has kidnapped his mom.
The whole thing eventually comes down to Batman preparing to stab Superman with a kryptonite spear when Superman says "HE'LL KILL MARTHA", which causes Bruce to flash back to his mother Martha's death for the 18th or 20th time in the movie, and when he's all "WHY ARE YOU SAYING THAT NAME" Lois Lane bursts in to say "THAT'S HIS MOTHER'S NAME" and after Superman finally explains his mom's kidnapping Batman just instantly becomes Super-friends with Superman even though all of his issues with Superman being an unchecked God haven't gone away at all. Why Superman said "they're going to kill Martha!" instead of "they're going to kill my mom!" is beyond me.
So Batman goes to rescue Martha, Superman goes to stop Lex, and Lex then unleashes Doomsday, which was his plan B for killing Superman if Batman didn't do it. But the thing is, Doomsday is about to be "born" or whatever from Lex's lab before the fight vs Batman even starts, and Lex doesn't seem like he can actually control him anyway. So if Superman had died at Batman's hands I guess Lex was just going to cackle like the Heath Ledger Joker wannabe he is while Doomsday wiped out the whole human race with no one to stop him?
God this movie was so fucking dumb.
Hilarious. I'll still watch this because I watch a lot of crappy TV/movies, but thanks for saving me from having any sort of expectations.
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 02:35:11 PM
Since nobody is going to watch this I'll just say that this is how the fight actually goes down:
Lex Luthor pits Batman against Superman because he either wants A)Batman to figure out how to kill Superman for him or B) Superman to kill Batman with Lex's cameras watching so the whole world sees Superman is a murderer (as opposed to just a guy who killed another Alien while causing thousands of casualties as collateral damage).
He does this by kidnapping Martha Kent, and telling Superman he'll kill her if he doesn't kill or get killed by Batman. Superman tells Lois "I have to go convince Batman to help me!" and then spends like 10 minutes fighting him without ever really giving much effort to explaining to Batman that Lex Luthor has kidnapped his mom.
The whole thing eventually comes down to Batman preparing to stab Superman with a kryptonite spear when Superman says "HE'LL KILL MARTHA", which causes Bruce to flash back to his mother Martha's death for the 18th or 20th time in the movie, and when he's all "WHY ARE YOU SAYING THAT NAME" Lois Lane bursts in to say "THAT'S HIS MOTHER'S NAME" and after Superman finally explains his mom's kidnapping Batman just instantly becomes Super-friends with Superman even though all of his issues with Superman being an unchecked God haven't gone away at all. Why Superman said "they're going to kill Martha!" instead of "they're going to kill my mom!" is beyond me.
So Batman goes to rescue Martha, Superman goes to stop Lex, and Lex then unleashes Doomsday, which was his plan B for killing Superman if Batman didn't do it. But the thing is, Doomsday is about to be "born" or whatever from Lex's lab before the fight vs Batman even starts, and Lex doesn't seem like he can actually control him anyway. So if Superman had died at Batman's hands I guess Lex was just going to cackle like the Heath Ledger Joker wannabe he is while Doomsday wiped out the whole human race with no one to stop him?
God this movie was so fucking dumb.
I gathered a lot of these details from Twitter, but seeing them compiled in one place continues to strengthen my resolve to never allow a dime of my money to go to Zack Snyder.
I've probably said it before, but there are way too many superhero movies now, and I just don't feel like I can keep track of them all (and how they relate).
That being said, wonderful review, SKO. I'm glad someone is dedicated to hate-watching stuff.
Quote from: Yeti on April 05, 2016, 08:12:21 AM
I've probably said it before, but there are way too many superhero movies now, and I just don't feel like I can keep track of them all (and how they relate).
That being said, wonderful review, SKO. I'm glad someone is dedicated to hate-watching stuff.
Even I'm getting tired of them, Yeti. I could really give a shit about the next Avengers movie, and I've liked both of the first two, I just feel like I've seen everything I need to see. If they do something fun and new (Ant-Man, Guardians of the Galaxy, hopefully Doctor Strange and Wonder Woman), cool, otherwise I don't really blame anyone for not keeping up. I'll still go because I'm a shameless fanboy like that, but I really don't begrudge a guy like Apex for just saying "fuck it" to all of them.
All I ask is that you believe me when I tell you one of them is really hateworthy or actually excellent, because I am right, always.
Quote from: Bort on March 28, 2016, 05:38:29 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 28, 2016, 05:30:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 28, 2016, 10:56:11 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 28, 2016, 10:40:32 AM
So, yeah, fuck me for expecting more from a film that I spend time and money on than a Phantom Menace in pajamas making things blow up. When there is something to sink my brain into, I get excited and happy and feel moved by the art I've just engrossed myself in. When that's not there, I'm bored. I get on my phone. I read a book - perhaps even a graphic novel if the accident will.
I'm not going to rip on you for wanting to turn off your brain and watch shit blow up. You know, to each his own. But this is where I'm coming from and you seem to understand that completely.
That said, comic book movies are fucking stupid.
I mean I prefer the Dark Knight to the Avengers, although I enjoy them both. The Dark Knight had a lot of really smart things to say while also being incredibly well paced and entertaining without feeling like a 3 hour funeral march, which seems to be the critical consensus on B v S (I am seeing it next weekend so RV will get his desired HOT TAEK then). The Avengers was a "turn your brain off" movie and it was snappy, funny, and lighthearted. Those are really your two avenues when making really these movies, and if you choose the Dark Knight route you'd better be a lot fucking smarter than Zack Snyder.
Even so, I found the second Avengers movie a lot less entertaining than the first, Iron Man 2 and 3 left basically no impression on me, and Ant-Man was just okay. I don't have a problem with someone saying "a lot of these comic book movies are derivative and unoriginal" and that we're getting too many of them and most of them add nothing of value.
I just don't like the criticism of "I don't like comic book movies, etc." because there's such a vast difference in subject matter and approach between a Batman v Superman and an Ant-Man that lumping them together seems pointless. They're completely different movies that have only the common bond of "they were both based on characters who appeared in picture books first".
So there are good ones and bad ones. I can't tell which is which though because the people who love these films don't give a crap. So I'm stuck wondering if I'll like a comic book movie and defaulting to: Is it Dark Knight? If Yes, watch. If No, stay the hell away.
So it's not pointless to lump them together. It saves me the grief of getting burned by Iron Man 2 and the like. If something is so great that non-comic fans are lining up to give it a go, that's probably when I get in. But so many people love these dumb fucking things that I don't know where to start. Where the comic book movie haters? Let's unite.
I took enough symbolic logic in college to know that you just basically made the same argument as people who say "I like everything but rap and country."
If that's how it read, then the fault is probably mine. What I meant to say is that I don't listen to music stations on the radio because they don't play the music I like. But lots of people do so those songs will continue to get played on the radio 20 times per day while I sit over here in the corner annihilating my pud.
Despite the killer review by SKO, I'll be seeing this movie this weekend. At least I won't be disappointed, because I fully know what I'm getting myself into.
On the bright side, it'll be in a VIP, alcohol-sales-included theater, which you should all try once in your lives if you haven't already.
Quote from: Canadouche on April 06, 2016, 07:10:22 PM
Despite the killer review by SKO, I'll be seeing this movie this weekend. At least I won't be disappointed, because I fully know what I'm getting myself into.
On the bright side, it'll be in a VIP, alcohol-sales-included theater, which you should all try once in your lives if you haven't already.
One of those just opened in Oakland. You can drink an alcoholic beverage while sitting on a sofa. Wait a minute, you could do that in your own home.
Quote from: Canadouche on April 06, 2016, 07:10:22 PM
Despite the killer review by SKO, I'll be seeing this movie this weekend. At least I won't be disappointed, because I fully know what I'm getting myself into.
On the bright side, it'll be in a VIP, alcohol-sales-included theater, which you should all try once in your lives if you haven't already.
Okay, but I think I'll wait for a movie that doesn't suck.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 06, 2016, 09:58:26 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on April 06, 2016, 07:10:22 PM
Despite the killer review by SKO, I'll be seeing this movie this weekend. At least I won't be disappointed, because I fully know what I'm getting myself into.
On the bright side, it'll be in a VIP, alcohol-sales-included theater, which you should all try once in your lives if you haven't already.
Okay, but I think I'll wait for a movie that doesn't suck.
I disagree, sir. If you're going to see a movie that sucks, where else should you see it but at a theater where you can get loaded?
Regarding the movie: I had three issues with it. 1) Batman kills a lot of guys, which is bullshit. 2) Lex hops onto the Krypton ship and it speaks perfect English to him from the get-go. 3) During the epic battle with Doomsday, Lois makes a run for the kryptonite spear to help kill the monster. Except she's out of the loop - as far as she knows, the only one that spear will hurt is Superman, i.e., their best chance at stopping the monster.
It was like Zack Snyder took the greatest Batman story, and the most famous Superman story, and blended them together in as shitty a way as possible. Very unfulfilling.
But Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman was outstanding. I thought she did a pretty good job.
A store down on College Avenue just stocked YOOOGE Batman, Superman and Flash cookie jars. They are beautiful pop art sculptures. We have no room for one of those in our kitchen, or living room for that matter, and DJ doesn't share my appreciation for pop art.
http://www.kitchenkapers.com/superman-cookie-jar.html?src=gprod&gclid=CIDa24CIh8wCFcVbfgodOFkISg
Quote from: Canadouche on April 11, 2016, 11:54:29 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 06, 2016, 09:58:26 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on April 06, 2016, 07:10:22 PM
Despite the killer review by SKO, I'll be seeing this movie this weekend. At least I won't be disappointed, because I fully know what I'm getting myself into.
On the bright side, it'll be in a VIP, alcohol-sales-included theater, which you should all try once in your lives if you haven't already.
Okay, but I think I'll wait for a movie that doesn't suck.
I disagree, sir. If you're going to see a movie that sucks, where else should you see it but at a theater where you can get loaded?
Regarding the movie: I had three issues with it. 1) Batman kills a lot of guys, which is bullshit. 2) Lex hops onto the Krypton ship and it speaks perfect English to him from the get-go. 3) During the epic battle with Doomsday, Lois makes a run for the kryptonite spear to help kill the monster. Except she's out of the loop - as far as she knows, the only one that spear will hurt is Superman, i.e., their best chance at stopping the monster.
It was like Zack Snyder took the greatest Batman story, and the most famous Superman story, and blended them together in as shitty a way as possible. Very unfulfilling.
But Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman was outstanding. I thought she did a pretty good job.
How about the fact that Superman then charges Doomsday with the kryptonite spear, even though it will probably kill him (spoiler: it totally does), when he could have just given it to Wonder Woman, who is both super strong AND unaffected by Kryptonite?
Quote from: SKO on April 11, 2016, 12:21:12 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on April 11, 2016, 11:54:29 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 06, 2016, 09:58:26 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on April 06, 2016, 07:10:22 PM
Despite the killer review by SKO, I'll be seeing this movie this weekend. At least I won't be disappointed, because I fully know what I'm getting myself into.
On the bright side, it'll be in a VIP, alcohol-sales-included theater, which you should all try once in your lives if you haven't already.
Okay, but I think I'll wait for a movie that doesn't suck.
I disagree, sir. If you're going to see a movie that sucks, where else should you see it but at a theater where you can get loaded?
Regarding the movie: I had three issues with it. 1) Batman kills a lot of guys, which is bullshit. 2) Lex hops onto the Krypton ship and it speaks perfect English to him from the get-go. 3) During the epic battle with Doomsday, Lois makes a run for the kryptonite spear to help kill the monster. Except she's out of the loop - as far as she knows, the only one that spear will hurt is Superman, i.e., their best chance at stopping the monster.
It was like Zack Snyder took the greatest Batman story, and the most famous Superman story, and blended them together in as shitty a way as possible. Very unfulfilling.
But Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman was outstanding. I thought she did a pretty good job.
How about the fact that Superman then charges Doomsday with the kryptonite spear, even though it will probably kill him (spoiler: it totally does), when he could have just given it to Wonder Woman, who is both super strong AND unaffected by Kryptonite?
This is actually the prefect allegory to the value of sharing. Superman died because he was selfish.
Quote from: Canadouche on April 11, 2016, 01:16:47 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 11, 2016, 12:21:12 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on April 11, 2016, 11:54:29 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 06, 2016, 09:58:26 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on April 06, 2016, 07:10:22 PM
Despite the killer review by SKO, I'll be seeing this movie this weekend. At least I won't be disappointed, because I fully know what I'm getting myself into.
On the bright side, it'll be in a VIP, alcohol-sales-included theater, which you should all try once in your lives if you haven't already.
Okay, but I think I'll wait for a movie that doesn't suck.
I disagree, sir. If you're going to see a movie that sucks, where else should you see it but at a theater where you can get loaded?
Regarding the movie: I had three issues with it. 1) Batman kills a lot of guys, which is bullshit. 2) Lex hops onto the Krypton ship and it speaks perfect English to him from the get-go. 3) During the epic battle with Doomsday, Lois makes a run for the kryptonite spear to help kill the monster. Except she's out of the loop - as far as she knows, the only one that spear will hurt is Superman, i.e., their best chance at stopping the monster.
It was like Zack Snyder took the greatest Batman story, and the most famous Superman story, and blended them together in as shitty a way as possible. Very unfulfilling.
But Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman was outstanding. I thought she did a pretty good job.
How about the fact that Superman then charges Doomsday with the kryptonite spear, even though it will probably kill him (spoiler: it totally does), when he could have just given it to Wonder Woman, who is both super strong AND unaffected by Kryptonite?
This is actually the prefect allegory to the value of sharing. Superman died because he was selfish.
Please. Having not seen the movie, it's apparent that Doomsday is an embodiment of government overreach and wealth redistribution.