Kyle SKOwarber Hulking Thread of Sploogepower

[Chuck to Chuck]

Slump? What slump?

Schwarber's market correction will be a thing to behold.

I'm really ready to behold it. Any time now, Kyle.

Maybe send him to AAA, let him bash a few dingers to get his confidence back, and bring him back up all fixed and ready to mash. Market: corrected.

Patience, young Cub fans.  The longer the drought goes, the sweeter the rain that falls.

And the more potatoes that grow.

Time to try some corn.  In Iowa.

I look forward to Kyle destroying the International Space Station during the San Diego series.

3  fly outs, a walk and a K. This is going great.

Can you tell me what exactly he's going to fix in Iowa? Dude has an almost 14% walk rate, he's not really chasing much. He's been incredibly unlucky (by expected stats his wOBA should be about 40-50 pts higher than it is, he's had some rockets robbed) and his management of the zone has been as good as ever. There's no issue with pitch recognition. He's just flat out missing some hittable pitches in the zone, which tells me that despite the awesomeness of the world series maybe missing an entire year of major league pitching does cause timing issues when you're out there facing major league stuff every day. Either way, its something that is only going to get fixed by seeing major league pitching until he can successfully time it again, going down to Iowa to face kids or old dudes throwing 86 mph junk isn't going to do shit.

I dunno. But he's not helping here. He can't be a defensive replacement. He's been hitting under .200 for his last 100 games (.188/.313/.388/.700). He's now in a platoon where he doesn't play vs. lefties anymore.

He's hurting the team. He needs to go to a place where he can regain his stroke and not have the record of the team matter.

[SKO]

Slump? What slump?

Schwarber's market correction will be a thing to behold.

I'm really ready to behold it. Any time now, Kyle.

Maybe send him to AAA, let him bash a few dingers to get his confidence back, and bring him back up all fixed and ready to mash. Market: corrected.

Patience, young Cub fans.  The longer the drought goes, the sweeter the rain that falls.

And the more potatoes that grow.

Time to try some corn.  In Iowa.

I look forward to Kyle destroying the International Space Station during the San Diego series.

3  fly outs, a walk and a K. This is going great.

Can you tell me what exactly he's going to fix in Iowa? Dude has an almost 14% walk rate, he's not really chasing much. He's been incredibly unlucky (by expected stats his wOBA should be about 40-50 pts higher than it is, he's had some rockets robbed) and his management of the zone has been as good as ever. There's no issue with pitch recognition. He's just flat out missing some hittable pitches in the zone, which tells me that despite the awesomeness of the world series maybe missing an entire year of major league pitching does cause timing issues when you're out there facing major league stuff every day. Either way, its something that is only going to get fixed by seeing major league pitching until he can successfully time it again, going down to Iowa to face kids or old dudes throwing 86 mph junk isn't going to do shit.

I dunno. But he's not helping here. He can't be a defensive replacement. He's been hitting under .200 for his last 100 games (.188/.313/.388/.700). He's now in a platoon where he doesn't play vs. lefties anymore.

He's hurting the team. He needs to go to a place where he can regain his stroke and not have the record of the team matter.

Yeah, fuck it, kick him down to Iowa in a move that may provide no practical benefit but at least we could give ABs to guys like....Jon Andreoli? Mark Zagunis?

This is fucking dumb. Guys slump, guys who missed an entire year of baseball might slump longer and harder than others, he's also been unlucky. The "last 100 games" bullshit is bullshit because 1) most of those games were TWO FUCKING YEARS AGO 2) Prospects do not always develop in a linear progression 3) That conveniently ignores two awesome postseasons but fuck it, whatever.

[Quality Start Machine]

Slump? What slump?

Schwarber's market correction will be a thing to behold.

I'm really ready to behold it. Any time now, Kyle.

Maybe send him to AAA, let him bash a few dingers to get his confidence back, and bring him back up all fixed and ready to mash. Market: corrected.

Patience, young Cub fans.  The longer the drought goes, the sweeter the rain that falls.

And the more potatoes that grow.

Time to try some corn.  In Iowa.

I look forward to Kyle destroying the International Space Station during the San Diego series.

3  fly outs, a walk and a K. This is going great.

Can you tell me what exactly he's going to fix in Iowa? Dude has an almost 14% walk rate, he's not really chasing much. He's been incredibly unlucky (by expected stats his wOBA should be about 40-50 pts higher than it is, he's had some rockets robbed) and his management of the zone has been as good as ever. There's no issue with pitch recognition. He's just flat out missing some hittable pitches in the zone, which tells me that despite the awesomeness of the world series maybe missing an entire year of major league pitching does cause timing issues when you're out there facing major league stuff every day. Either way, its something that is only going to get fixed by seeing major league pitching until he can successfully time it again, going down to Iowa to face kids or old dudes throwing 86 mph junk isn't going to do shit.

I dunno. But he's not helping here. He can't be a defensive replacement. He's been hitting under .200 for his last 100 games (.188/.313/.388/.700). He's now in a platoon where he doesn't play vs. lefties anymore.

He's hurting the team. He needs to go to a place where he can regain his stroke and not have the record of the team matter.

Yeah, fuck it, kick him down to Iowa in a move that may provide no practical benefit but at least we could give ABs to guys like....Jon Andreoli? Mark Zagunis?

This is fucking dumb. Guys slump, guys who missed an entire year of baseball might slump longer and harder than others, he's also been unlucky. The "last 100 games" bullshit is bullshit because 1) most of those games were TWO FUCKING YEARS AGO 2) Prospects do not always develop in a linear progression 3) That conveniently ignores two awesome postseasons but fuck it, whatever.

Isn't your argument against sending him down - he needs to regain his timing - actually a pretty good argument for sending him down?

[SKO]

Slump? What slump?

Schwarber's market correction will be a thing to behold.

I'm really ready to behold it. Any time now, Kyle.

Maybe send him to AAA, let him bash a few dingers to get his confidence back, and bring him back up all fixed and ready to mash. Market: corrected.

Patience, young Cub fans.  The longer the drought goes, the sweeter the rain that falls.

And the more potatoes that grow.

Time to try some corn.  In Iowa.

I look forward to Kyle destroying the International Space Station during the San Diego series.

3  fly outs, a walk and a K. This is going great.

Can you tell me what exactly he's going to fix in Iowa? Dude has an almost 14% walk rate, he's not really chasing much. He's been incredibly unlucky (by expected stats his wOBA should be about 40-50 pts higher than it is, he's had some rockets robbed) and his management of the zone has been as good as ever. There's no issue with pitch recognition. He's just flat out missing some hittable pitches in the zone, which tells me that despite the awesomeness of the world series maybe missing an entire year of major league pitching does cause timing issues when you're out there facing major league stuff every day. Either way, its something that is only going to get fixed by seeing major league pitching until he can successfully time it again, going down to Iowa to face kids or old dudes throwing 86 mph junk isn't going to do shit.

I dunno. But he's not helping here. He can't be a defensive replacement. He's been hitting under .200 for his last 100 games (.188/.313/.388/.700). He's now in a platoon where he doesn't play vs. lefties anymore.

He's hurting the team. He needs to go to a place where he can regain his stroke and not have the record of the team matter.

Yeah, fuck it, kick him down to Iowa in a move that may provide no practical benefit but at least we could give ABs to guys like....Jon Andreoli? Mark Zagunis?

This is fucking dumb. Guys slump, guys who missed an entire year of baseball might slump longer and harder than others, he's also been unlucky. The "last 100 games" bullshit is bullshit because 1) most of those games were TWO FUCKING YEARS AGO 2) Prospects do not always develop in a linear progression 3) That conveniently ignores two awesome postseasons but fuck it, whatever.

Isn't your argument against sending him down - he needs to regain his timing - actually a pretty good argument for sending him down?

No, because if you need to figure out how to hit major league pitching again (not recognize breaking balls, get less chase-happy, etc) then you need to face major league pitching. Going down to AAA where pitchers are either A) Young and wild or possibly unable to throw breaking balls with any degree of control or B) Old ass junkballers making a living on the fringes of rosters isn't gonna do shit to help him get back to squaring up Carlos Martinez.

[Saul Goodman]

Slump? What slump?

Schwarber's market correction will be a thing to behold.

I'm really ready to behold it. Any time now, Kyle.

Maybe send him to AAA, let him bash a few dingers to get his confidence back, and bring him back up all fixed and ready to mash. Market: corrected.

Patience, young Cub fans.  The longer the drought goes, the sweeter the rain that falls.

And the more potatoes that grow.

Time to try some corn.  In Iowa.

I look forward to Kyle destroying the International Space Station during the San Diego series.

3  fly outs, a walk and a K. This is going great.

Can you tell me what exactly he's going to fix in Iowa? Dude has an almost 14% walk rate, he's not really chasing much. He's been incredibly unlucky (by expected stats his wOBA should be about 40-50 pts higher than it is, he's had some rockets robbed) and his management of the zone has been as good as ever. There's no issue with pitch recognition. He's just flat out missing some hittable pitches in the zone, which tells me that despite the awesomeness of the world series maybe missing an entire year of major league pitching does cause timing issues when you're out there facing major league stuff every day. Either way, its something that is only going to get fixed by seeing major league pitching until he can successfully time it again, going down to Iowa to face kids or old dudes throwing 86 mph junk isn't going to do shit.

I dunno. But he's not helping here. He can't be a defensive replacement. He's been hitting under .200 for his last 100 games (.188/.313/.388/.700). He's now in a platoon where he doesn't play vs. lefties anymore.

He's hurting the team. He needs to go to a place where he can regain his stroke and not have the record of the team matter.

Yeah, fuck it, kick him down to Iowa in a move that may provide no practical benefit but at least we could give ABs to guys like....Jon Andreoli? Mark Zagunis?

This is fucking dumb. Guys slump, guys who missed an entire year of baseball might slump longer and harder than others, he's also been unlucky. The "last 100 games" bullshit is bullshit because 1) most of those games were TWO FUCKING YEARS AGO 2) Prospects do not always develop in a linear progression 3) That conveniently ignores two awesome postseasons but fuck it, whatever.

Isn't your argument against sending him down - he needs to regain his timing - actually a pretty good argument for sending him down?

No, because if you need to figure out how to hit major league pitching again (not recognize breaking balls, get less chase-happy, etc) then you need to face major league pitching. Going down to AAA where pitchers are either A) Young and wild or possibly unable to throw breaking balls with any degree of control or B) Old ass junkballers making a living on the fringes of rosters isn't gonna do shit to help him get back to squaring up Carlos Martinez.

Might depend on how much he's off by. If timing in the majors is Level A, and Triple-A is Level B, it won't help him much if he's already between A and B. But if he's under B with his timing, maybe it would help him make up some ground. The only rehab assignments he's had after missing a whole year were the World Series and Spring Training.

[Quality Start Machine]

Slump? What slump?

Schwarber's market correction will be a thing to behold.

I'm really ready to behold it. Any time now, Kyle.

Maybe send him to AAA, let him bash a few dingers to get his confidence back, and bring him back up all fixed and ready to mash. Market: corrected.

Patience, young Cub fans.  The longer the drought goes, the sweeter the rain that falls.

And the more potatoes that grow.

Time to try some corn.  In Iowa.

I look forward to Kyle destroying the International Space Station during the San Diego series.

3  fly outs, a walk and a K. This is going great.

Can you tell me what exactly he's going to fix in Iowa? Dude has an almost 14% walk rate, he's not really chasing much. He's been incredibly unlucky (by expected stats his wOBA should be about 40-50 pts higher than it is, he's had some rockets robbed) and his management of the zone has been as good as ever. There's no issue with pitch recognition. He's just flat out missing some hittable pitches in the zone, which tells me that despite the awesomeness of the world series maybe missing an entire year of major league pitching does cause timing issues when you're out there facing major league stuff every day. Either way, its something that is only going to get fixed by seeing major league pitching until he can successfully time it again, going down to Iowa to face kids or old dudes throwing 86 mph junk isn't going to do shit.

I dunno. But he's not helping here. He can't be a defensive replacement. He's been hitting under .200 for his last 100 games (.188/.313/.388/.700). He's now in a platoon where he doesn't play vs. lefties anymore.

He's hurting the team. He needs to go to a place where he can regain his stroke and not have the record of the team matter.

Yeah, fuck it, kick him down to Iowa in a move that may provide no practical benefit but at least we could give ABs to guys like....Jon Andreoli? Mark Zagunis?

This is fucking dumb. Guys slump, guys who missed an entire year of baseball might slump longer and harder than others, he's also been unlucky. The "last 100 games" bullshit is bullshit because 1) most of those games were TWO FUCKING YEARS AGO 2) Prospects do not always develop in a linear progression 3) That conveniently ignores two awesome postseasons but fuck it, whatever.

Isn't your argument against sending him down - he needs to regain his timing - actually a pretty good argument for sending him down?

No, because if you need to figure out how to hit major league pitching again (not recognize breaking balls, get less chase-happy, etc) then you need to face major league pitching. Going down to AAA where pitchers are either A) Young and wild or possibly unable to throw breaking balls with any degree of control or B) Old ass junkballers making a living on the fringes of rosters isn't gonna do shit to help him get back to squaring up Carlos Martinez.

Might depend on how much he's off by. If timing in the majors is Level A, and Triple-A is Level B, it won't help him much if he's already between A and B. But if he's under B with his timing, maybe it would help him make up some ground. The only rehab assignments he's had after missing a whole year were the World Series and Spring Training.

And in the World Series, he had the advantage of seeing scouting reports on the Indians' pitchers, but Cleveland had literally no idea what Schwarber would or wouldn't be able to hit. Now the book is being written on him, and he'll need to adjust.

[SKO]

And in the World Series, he had the advantage of seeing scouting reports on the Indians' pitchers, but Cleveland had literally no idea what Schwarber would or wouldn't be able to hit. Now the book is being written on him, and he'll need to adjust.

Yeah, and my point is he won't make those adjustments in AAA because there's not enough pitchers capable enough of successfully executing the book against him down there. He needs to see it here till he beats it.

[Chuck to Chuck]

And in the World Series, he had the advantage of seeing scouting reports on the Indians' pitchers, but Cleveland had literally no idea what Schwarber would or wouldn't be able to hit. Now the book is being written on him, and he'll need to adjust.

Sometimes, guys get sent down and it helps. Like with Anthony Rizzo.

[SKO]

And in the World Series, he had the advantage of seeing scouting reports on the Indians' pitchers, but Cleveland had literally no idea what Schwarber would or wouldn't be able to hit. Now the book is being written on him, and he'll need to adjust.

Sometimes, guys get sent down and it helps. Like with Anthony Rizzo.

Rizzo had 153 PA in the majors and had OPS'd .523. He had never had any stretch of success at the major league level. Schwarber has over 3 times that many and still has a 103 OPS+, not even counting his astronomical post season numbers. He's not going to learn a fucking thing at Iowa.

[SKO]

Kris Bryant over 163 PAs in June/July of 2015 (so after he'd already logged almost 300 PA in the majors) hit .168/.282/.358/.640 with a 33% K rate. Should he have been sent down?

[SKO]

Shit Russell is in the worst slump of his life, send him down too? He's still just 23 or whatever. Nobody ever slumps once they've arrived as a big leaguer, Iowa is the only answer.

[World's #1 Astros Fan]

Shit Russell is in the worst slump of his life, send him down too? He's still just 23 or whatever. Nobody ever slumps once they've arrived as a big leaguer, Iowa is the only answer.

I think the issue is that Bryant and Russell were guaranteed to play every day.  Schwarber's stuck in a platoon which seems like a complicating factor.  Far be it from me to even be perceived as remotely agreeing with Chuck, but would 2 weeks in Iowa where he's at least playing everyday be a bad thing?  

[Quality Start Machine]

Shit Russell is in the worst slump of his life, send him down too? He's still just 23 or whatever. Nobody ever slumps once they've arrived as a big leaguer, Iowa is the only answer.

I think the issue is that Bryant and Russell were guaranteed to play every day.  Schwarber's stuck in a platoon which seems like a complicating factor.  Far be it from me to even be perceived as remotely agreeing with Chuck, but would 2 weeks in Iowa where he's at least playing everyday be a bad thing?  

Not to mention, Bryant and Russell weren't playing for the defending World Champions.

[SKO]

Shit Russell is in the worst slump of his life, send him down too? He's still just 23 or whatever. Nobody ever slumps once they've arrived as a big leaguer, Iowa is the only answer.

I think the issue is that Bryant and Russell were guaranteed to play every day.  Schwarber's stuck in a platoon which seems like a complicating factor.  Far be it from me to even be perceived as remotely agreeing with Chuck, but would 2 weeks in Iowa where he's at least playing everyday be a bad thing?  

I would think facing right-handed major league pitchers 70% of the time in the majors would be better than facing the Sergio Mitres of the world every day in the minors. I might feel differently if he was right handed and got shunted to the short-side of a platoon, but I really don't think Iowa will do shit for him anyway. If anything giving him a phantom DL stint and telling him to relax and take some BP every day and clear his mind might do more for him than Iowa. I don't think our boy Schwarbz is the kind to let a demotion crush his confidence but I'd still think there's an equally good chance of a demotion fucking him up mentally more than it would "help him clear his head/get his swing right" etc.

[SKO]

The way I see it is you'd demote him to Iowa if you felt he needed to learn something or if he was blocking someone better. Considering Happ is already cooling off and might need to go back himself there's not a ton of organizational depth in the outfield. If you demote Schwarber you're probably playing Bryant every day in left and Javy at 3rd, but Javy largely looks good because Joe picks his spots and his matchups still. When he plays every day he tends to struggle. You're just robbing from Peter to pay Paul.