Here you go, Apex.
Perfect.
It's only preseason, but Rose has looked ridiculous so far. This (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/24/thunders-reggie-jackson-has-no-idea-how-to-guard-derrick-rose-video/) made Reggie Jackson look stupid. If the bulls can stay healthy, the Bulls might actually have a shot to beat the Heat in the playoffs.
They should be the best bulls team Thibs has had. At some point Miami has to have injuries right?
Quote from: BH on October 24, 2013, 02:07:26 PM
It's only preseason, but Rose has looked ridiculous so far. This (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/24/thunders-reggie-jackson-has-no-idea-how-to-guard-derrick-rose-video/) made Reggie Jackson look stupid. If the bulls can stay healthy, the Bulls might actually have a shot to beat the Heat in the playoffs.
They should be the best bulls team Thibs has had. At some point Miami has to have injuries right?
Well, fuck. They're employing actual bulls now? If they were to run LeBron down in the street Pamplona-style, yeah. They could beat Miami.
(http://www.spain.net/files/pamplona-running-of-the-bulls.jpg)
Don't overlook the Pacers though. It would be a shame to sneak past Miami and then get pwned by Vogel's squad, which, on paper anyway, looks more dangerous than Chicago.
In actuality the Heat has had injury problems in the playoffs each of the past three years, just not season-enders to indispensable players like Chicago, OKC and Boston had. Wade hopped around on one leg for the entire postseason last year. Bosh missed most of the second two rounds in 2012 and in 2011 it was a clusterfuck on an already shallow roster.
Again these aren't Westbrook/Rose/Rondo type injuries but they've battled through their share. If you're rooting for a LeBron ACL or something like that, well, you're not much of a human being.
Butthurt Strawman NBA-season Apex is back!
Quote from: Eli on October 25, 2013, 12:01:13 PM
Butthurt Strawman NBA-season Apex is back!
FAAAANNNN-Tastic!
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 25, 2013, 11:42:56 AM
In actuality the Heat has had injury problems in the playoffs each of the past three years, just not season-enders to indispensable players like Chicago, OKC and Boston had. Wade hopped around on one leg for the entire postseason last year. Bosh missed most of the second two rounds in 2012 and in 2011 it was a clusterfuck on an already shallow roster.
Again these aren't Westbrook/Rose/Rondo type injuries but they've battled through their share. If you're rooting for a LeBron ACL or something like that, well, you're not much of a human being.
I wish for many injuries. I wish Aaron Rodgers' asshole would implode. I wish the entire Cardinals lineup would die of Josh Hancock's-disease. If I can't wish bad things upon people who play on Not-My-Favorite-Team, then I don't wanna do this anymore.
That being said, I don't actively hate or root for LeBron to get hurt. I just like to see him lose.... so the last couple of seasons have sucked.
Quote from: Yeti on October 25, 2013, 01:35:00 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 25, 2013, 11:42:56 AM
In actuality the Heat has had injury problems in the playoffs each of the past three years, just not season-enders to indispensable players like Chicago, OKC and Boston had. Wade hopped around on one leg for the entire postseason last year. Bosh missed most of the second two rounds in 2012 and in 2011 it was a clusterfuck on an already shallow roster.
Again these aren't Westbrook/Rose/Rondo type injuries but they've battled through their share. If you're rooting for a LeBron ACL or something like that, well, you're not much of a human being.
I wish for many injuries. I wish Aaron Rodgers' asshole would implode. I wish the entire Cardinals lineup would die of Josh Hancock's-disease. If I can't wish bad things upon people who play on Not-My-Favorite-Team, then I don't wanna do this anymore.
That being said, I don't actively hate or root for LeBron to get hurt. I just like to see him lose.... so the last couple of seasons have sucked.
How's about LeBron discovers hookers and coke, develops heart arrhythmia from his excessive coke use, learns the error of his ways and quits coke and hookers before he gets the clap or HIV and lives happily ever after as the color analyst on the Heat radio network after said arrhythmia forces his retirement from the game? And Dewayne Wade just decides to suck so he won't ever get a big contract again that he has to send half of to his ex-wife? Is that a little better? No? Well, damn.
(http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/norris-cole-shakes-derrick-rose-b.gif?w=640)
Eh. Rose thought he was going to fight through a screen, so he started going hard to his left and got crossed up. It happens, just like when people get crossed up about what their favorite NBA team is from year to year.
Quote from: Eli on October 30, 2013, 10:02:44 AM
Eh. Rose thought he was going to fight through a screen, so he started going hard to his left and got crossed up. It happens, just like when people get crossed up about what their favorite NBA team is from year to year.
Birdman tripped him. Great post Apex. Way to watch the game.
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on October 30, 2013, 10:11:47 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 30, 2013, 10:02:44 AM
Eh. Rose thought he was going to fight through a screen, so he started going hard to his left and got crossed up. It happens, just like when people get crossed up about what their favorite NBA team is from year to year.
Birdman tripped him. Great post Apex. Way to watch the game.
Their feet got tangled as Birdman abandoned the pick which Cole made moot. Derrick's jock was laying on the floor in front of God and everybody. Yep, it happens. No big deal. On to the next game.
Is this where we get Apex asshurt by out.giffing him?
/Thread?
Quote from: CT III on November 23, 2013, 10:13:40 AM
/Thread?
Shut er down.
Or just re-read the thread from last season. Same shit.
Quote from: Slaky on November 23, 2013, 05:19:49 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 23, 2013, 10:13:40 AM
/Thread?
Shut er down.
Or just re-read the thread from last season. Same shit.
Too soon to put him alongside Kerry Wood and Gale Sayers on Chicago's Mt. Rushmore of Athletes-who-Shone-Brightly-Early- But-Ultimately-Disappointed-Thanks-To-Injuries?
I really feel bad for the kid.
Quote from: PANK! on November 24, 2013, 10:30:13 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 23, 2013, 05:19:49 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 23, 2013, 10:13:40 AM
/Thread?
Shut er down.
Or just re-read the thread from last season. Same shit.
Too soon to put him alongside Kerry Wood and Gale Sayers on Chicago's Mt. Rushmore of Athletes-who-Shone-Brightly-Early- But-Ultimately-Disappointed-Thanks-To-Injuries?
I really feel bad for the kid.
A Mt. Rushmore of injury plagued disappointments without Mark Prior is not a Mt. Rushmore of injury plagued disappointments.
Good news that it's not a torn ACL, but it's hard to think we'll ever see MVP-level Rose again after two pretty major knee surgeries.
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 08:19:50 AM
Good news that it's not a torn ACL, but it's hard to think we'll ever see MVP-level Rose again after two pretty major knee surgeries.
So oddly enough my brother works in medical supplies and was at Rose's surgery this morning. Weird.
Anyway I guess there are a lot of variables with the surgery itself. If the meniscus is reparable that's good. 4-6 weeks until it's healed and good as new. If not, they might have to remove it. My brother had his removed. He said it actually makes you quicker but also is detrimental to a long term career.
So anyway it seems to me like most players would miss two months on this thing - of course it's Rose so he'll be out unitl 2016.
Quote from: Slaky on November 25, 2013, 08:22:26 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 08:19:50 AM
Good news that it's not a torn ACL, but it's hard to think we'll ever see MVP-level Rose again after two pretty major knee surgeries.
So oddly enough my brother works in medical supplies and was at Rose's surgery this morning. Weird.
Anyway I guess there are a lot of variables with the surgery itself. If the meniscus is reparable that's good. 4-6 weeks until it's healed and good as new. If not, they might have to remove it. My brother had his removed. He said it actually makes you quicker but also is detrimental to a long term career.
So anyway it seems to me like most players would miss two months on this thing - of course it's Rose so he'll be out unitl 2016.
DWade (I'm a Heat fan now) had it removed and came back fast. He hates himself now for it. Saddle up for the pussy talk. Rose = Cutler.
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on November 25, 2013, 08:46:54 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 25, 2013, 08:22:26 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 08:19:50 AM
Good news that it's not a torn ACL, but it's hard to think we'll ever see MVP-level Rose again after two pretty major knee surgeries.
So oddly enough my brother works in medical supplies and was at Rose's surgery this morning. Weird.
Anyway I guess there are a lot of variables with the surgery itself. If the meniscus is reparable that's good. 4-6 weeks until it's healed and good as new. If not, they might have to remove it. My brother had his removed. He said it actually makes you quicker but also is detrimental to a long term career.
So anyway it seems to me like most players would miss two months on this thing - of course it's Rose so he'll be out unitl 2016.
DWade (I'm a Heat fan now) had it removed and came back fast. He hates himself now for it. Saddle up for the pussy talk. Rose = Cutler.
That's right - perfect example.
Quote from: Slaky on November 25, 2013, 08:22:26 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 08:19:50 AM
Good news that it's not a torn ACL, but it's hard to think we'll ever see MVP-level Rose again after two pretty major knee surgeries.
So oddly enough my brother works in medical supplies and was at Rose's surgery this morning. Weird.
Anyway I guess there are a lot of variables with the surgery itself. If the meniscus is reparable that's good. 4-6 weeks until it's healed and good as new. If not, they might have to remove it. My brother had his removed. He said it actually makes you quicker but also is detrimental to a long term career.
So anyway it seems to me like most players would miss two months on this thing - of course it's Rose so he'll be out unitl 2016.
That last sentence is the sort of thing meatballs tend to jump on (as you know), but I think it's completely fair in this instance. Rose has done enough oddball things that make it clear he's not a particularly mentally/emotionally strong guy. I'm not sure how someone like him gets his career back on a Hall of Fame trajectory after two big injuries and playing less than 50 games over three full seasons.
Also, Marquis Teague is one of the worst NBA players I've ever seen.
I am legitimately sad for the Bulls now and I hate that the East now has only two semi-pro teams in it again. I used to really like Tracy McGrady's game before his knees failed him. I wonder if Rose will end up sort of like him: on the end of somebody's bench 5-6 years from now and getting huge ovations when he enters during garbage time. Maybe not. Maybe he'll still be a star, a starter, a rotation player or somebody that a contender will stash on it's bench until the playoffs.
I believe that the window is closed for this Bulls team. The plan for this current roster to hold down the fort until Derrick Rose returns to vault them into contention seems like a fool's errand given the severity of Rose's injuries, the tread left on the tires for those who have been toiling in this system and the fact that even when healthy, Rose alone wasn't nearly good enough to defeat Miami's big three.
Start trading, start tanking and start looking at the deep 2014 draft for the next franchise player, with the hope that a healthy Rose could be a top-notch complimentary piece down the road.
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 25, 2013, 09:40:26 AM
I am legitimately sad for the Bulls now and I hate that the East now has only two semi-pro teams in it again. I used to really like Tracy McGrady's game before his knees failed him. I wonder if Rose will end up sort of like him: on the end of somebody's bench 5-6 years from now and getting huge ovations when he enters during garbage time. Maybe not. Maybe he'll still be a star, a starter, a rotation player or somebody that a contender will stash on it's bench until the playoffs.
I believe that the window is closed for this Bulls team. The plan for this current roster to hold down the fort until Derrick Rose returns to vault them into contention seems like a fool's errand given the severity of Rose's injuries, the tread left on the tires for those who have been toiling in this system and the fact that even when healthy, Rose alone wasn't good nearly enough to defeat Miami's big three.
Start trading, start tanking and start looking at the deep 2014 draft for the next franchise player, with the hope that healthy Rose could be a top-notch complimentary piece down the road.
This really sucks. I don't disagree with you. Assuming Derrick is out for the rest of this year.
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 25, 2013, 09:40:26 AM
Start trading, start tanking and start looking at the deep 2014 draft for the next franchise player, with the hope that healthy
They won't, of course. Thibs wouldn't stand for it and he's such a good coach that they could squeak into the back end of the playoffs based solely on defense and effort. He's almost a liability to a team that needs a complete and total overhaul.
I can't quite get behind the idea of tanking and trashing everything but I don't have a good reason why. Partially because it's really hard to rebuild in the NBA so I'm not convinced it'll even work. And partially because I can't believe this happened and I'm still processing it. Plus, there are quite a few other teams who are trying to tank for Wiggins and Parker and they're better equipped to suck this year.
But to your point, yes, the Bulls are in NBA Hell.
QuoteRose could be a top-notch complimentary piece
"Great shot, Jabari! Nice work!"
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 09:54:10 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 25, 2013, 09:40:26 AM
Start trading, start tanking and start looking at the deep 2014 draft for the next franchise player, with the hope that healthy
They won't, of course. Thibs wouldn't stand for it and he's such a good coach that they could squeak into the back end of the playoffs based solely on defense and effort. He's almost a liability to a team that needs a complete and total overhaul.
I can't quite get behind the idea of tanking and trashing everything but I don't have a good reason why. Partially because it's really hard to rebuild in the NBA so I'm not convinced it'll even work. And partially because I can't believe this happened and I'm still processing it. Plus, there are quite a few other teams who are trying to tank for Wiggins and Parker and they're better equipped to suck this year.
But to your point, yes, the Bulls are in NBA Hell.
QuoteRose could be a top-notch complimentary piece
"Great shot, Jabari! Nice work!"
The other thought I have is that a Big 3 of LeBron, Wade's corpse and Michael Beasley might not scare any real teams next year. LeBron, Kyrie Irving and Anthony Bennett? Even less so.
That would leave the Pacers as the only threat to the Bulls' chances of foiling the Spurs' quest for a fifth or sixth title in 2015. Let it ride...
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 09:54:10 AM
I can't quite get behind the idea of tanking...
"Great shot, Jabari! Nice work!"
Yeah you can.
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 09:54:10 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 25, 2013, 09:40:26 AM
Start trading, start tanking and start looking at the deep 2014 draft for the next franchise player, with the hope that healthy
They won't, of course. Thibs wouldn't stand for it and he's such a good coach that they could squeak into the back end of the playoffs based solely on defense and effort. He's almost a liability to a team that needs a complete and total overhaul.
I can't quite get behind the idea of tanking and trashing everything but I don't have a good reason why. Partially because it's really hard to rebuild in the NBA so I'm not convinced it'll even work. And partially because I can't believe this happened and I'm still processing it. Plus, there are quite a few other teams who are trying to tank for Wiggins and Parker and they're better equipped to suck this year.
But to your point, yes, the Bulls are in NBA Hell.
QuoteRose could be a top-notch complimentary piece
"Great shot, Jabari! Nice work!"
So much THIS.
Goddamn Thibs and his stupid work ethic.
This team totally feels like a 7-seed now.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2013, 10:06:42 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 09:54:10 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 25, 2013, 09:40:26 AM
Start trading, start tanking and start looking at the deep 2014 draft for the next franchise player, with the hope that healthy
They won't, of course. Thibs wouldn't stand for it and he's such a good coach that they could squeak into the back end of the playoffs based solely on defense and effort. He's almost a liability to a team that needs a complete and total overhaul.
I can't quite get behind the idea of tanking and trashing everything but I don't have a good reason why. Partially because it's really hard to rebuild in the NBA so I'm not convinced it'll even work. And partially because I can't believe this happened and I'm still processing it. Plus, there are quite a few other teams who are trying to tank for Wiggins and Parker and they're better equipped to suck this year.
But to your point, yes, the Bulls are in NBA Hell.
QuoteRose could be a top-notch complimentary piece
"Great shot, Jabari! Nice work!"
So much THIS.
Goddamn Thibs and his stupid work ethic.
This team totally feels like a 7-seed now.
Fire Thibs, hire Dusty Baker as head coach for the rest of the year.
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 10:11:10 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2013, 10:06:42 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 09:54:10 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 25, 2013, 09:40:26 AM
Start trading, start tanking and start looking at the deep 2014 draft for the next franchise player, with the hope that healthy
They won't, of course. Thibs wouldn't stand for it and he's such a good coach that they could squeak into the back end of the playoffs based solely on defense and effort. He's almost a liability to a team that needs a complete and total overhaul.
I can't quite get behind the idea of tanking and trashing everything but I don't have a good reason why. Partially because it's really hard to rebuild in the NBA so I'm not convinced it'll even work. And partially because I can't believe this happened and I'm still processing it. Plus, there are quite a few other teams who are trying to tank for Wiggins and Parker and they're better equipped to suck this year.
But to your point, yes, the Bulls are in NBA Hell.
QuoteRose could be a top-notch complimentary piece
"Great shot, Jabari! Nice work!"
So much THIS.
Goddamn Thibs and his stupid work ethic.
This team totally feels like a 7-seed now.
Fire Thibs, hire Dusty Baker as head coach for the rest of the year.
Avery Johnson is available if you want the NBA version.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2013, 10:06:42 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 09:54:10 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 25, 2013, 09:40:26 AM
Start trading, start tanking and start looking at the deep 2014 draft for the next franchise player, with the hope that healthy
They won't, of course. Thibs wouldn't stand for it and he's such a good coach that they could squeak into the back end of the playoffs based solely on defense and effort. He's almost a liability to a team that needs a complete and total overhaul.
I can't quite get behind the idea of tanking and trashing everything but I don't have a good reason why. Partially because it's really hard to rebuild in the NBA so I'm not convinced it'll even work. And partially because I can't believe this happened and I'm still processing it. Plus, there are quite a few other teams who are trying to tank for Wiggins and Parker and they're better equipped to suck this year.
But to your point, yes, the Bulls are in NBA Hell.
QuoteRose could be a top-notch complimentary piece
"Great shot, Jabari! Nice work!"
So much THIS.
Goddamn Thibs and his stupid work ethic.
This team totally feels like a 7-seed now.
I feel bad for luol, noah and butler with rose going out. Thibs is going to play them all every minute of every game, no matter what ailments they might have. And once they really get hurt, they will have zero trade value. Go bulls.
It's official: Rose is successfully out for the rest of the year. (http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/bulls-rose-undergoes-successful-surgery.html)
KD with a good post (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/derrick-rose-season-following-surgery-chicago-struggles-pick-165002042--nba.html) on the aftermath.
The more I think about it, the more depressing this is. The Bulls have zero financial flexibility and their existing assets are almost impossible to move, except for Deng. Plus, with a deep draft in 2014, other teams aren't willing to trade draft picks.
Basically, I expect the Bulls to do next-to-nothing in response to this. Lots of stuff about how "we like the guys we have" and then muddling to 44 wins and maybe knocking off the Hawks or something in the first round. Unless Nikola Mirotic is actually the next Nowitzki, it's tough to see a path to a good team in the next few years.
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 11:18:18 AM
KD with a good post (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/derrick-rose-season-following-surgery-chicago-struggles-pick-165002042--nba.html) on the aftermath.
The more I think about it, the more depressing this is. The Bulls have zero financial flexibility and their existing assets are almost impossible to move, except for Deng. Plus, with a deep draft in 2014, other teams aren't willing to trade draft picks.
Basically, I expect the Bulls to do next-to-nothing in response to this. Lots of stuff about how "we like the guys we have" and then muddling to 44 wins and maybe knocking off the Hawks or something in the first round. Unless Nikola Mirotic is actually the next Nowitzki, it's tough to see a path to a good team in the next few years.
I think you meant to say "depressing" instead of "good."
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 11:18:18 AM
KD with a good post (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/derrick-rose-season-following-surgery-chicago-struggles-pick-165002042--nba.html) on the aftermath.
The more I think about it, the more depressing this is. The Bulls have zero financial flexibility and their existing assets are almost impossible to move, except for Deng. Plus, with a deep draft in 2014, other teams aren't willing to trade draft picks.
Basically, I expect the Bulls to do next-to-nothing in response to this. Lots of stuff about how "we like the guys we have" and then muddling to 44 wins and maybe knocking off the Hawks or something in the first round. Unless Nikola Mirotic is actually the next Nowitzki, it's tough to see a path to a good team in the next few years.
Tanking is impossible in this shitty conference. The Bulls will make the playoffs. They will try real hard.
No one will get moved.
Rose will be back next year and he'll still be very, very good. They'll be good next year too.
The end.
Quote from: Slaky on November 25, 2013, 02:30:57 PM
Tanking is impossible in this shitty conference. The Bulls will make the playoffs. They will try real hard.
No one will get moved.
Rose will be back next year and he'll still be very, very good. They'll be good next year too.
The end.
"Very, very good" (and I'm not sure that's a lock) probably isn't enough for the franchise to win a title.
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 02:40:53 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 25, 2013, 02:30:57 PM
Tanking is impossible in this shitty conference. The Bulls will make the playoffs. They will try real hard.
No one will get moved.
Rose will be back next year and he'll still be very, very good. They'll be good next year too.
The end.
"Very, very good" (and I'm not sure that's a lock) probably isn't enough for the franchise to win a title.
No and I didn't say they would. Not while LeBron walks this stone.
Quote from: Slaky on November 25, 2013, 02:52:49 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 02:40:53 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 25, 2013, 02:30:57 PM
Tanking is impossible in this shitty conference. The Bulls will make the playoffs. They will try real hard.
No one will get moved.
Rose will be back next year and he'll still be very, very good. They'll be good next year too.
The end.
"Very, very good" (and I'm not sure that's a lock) probably isn't enough for the franchise to win a title.
No and I didn't say they would. Not while LeBron walks this stone.
I think what's important is that Eli thinks both the Cubs and Bulls are not worth getting too excited about for the foreseeable future.
Ep/Gar/Jed/Rose/Paxstink are terrible.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2013, 03:00:20 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 25, 2013, 02:52:49 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 02:40:53 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 25, 2013, 02:30:57 PM
Tanking is impossible in this shitty conference. The Bulls will make the playoffs. They will try real hard.
No one will get moved.
Rose will be back next year and he'll still be very, very good. They'll be good next year too.
The end.
"Very, very good" (and I'm not sure that's a lock) probably isn't enough for the franchise to win a title.
No and I didn't say they would. Not while LeBron walks this stone.
I think what's important is that Eli thinks both the Cubs and Bulls are not worth getting too excited about for the foreseeable future.
Ep/Gar/Jed/Rose/Paxstink are terrible.
But we get to look forward to the inevitable bloody Cutler contract battle and a messy re-build of the Bears defense so the team can presumably still be battling for the six seed behind Aaron Rodgers, the Seahawks, and the 49ers next year. Great times are waiting. Grab some buds.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2013, 03:00:20 PM
I think what's important is that Eli thinks both the Cubs and Bulls are not worth getting too excited about for the foreseeable future.
Am I the only one who thinks this?
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 03:12:12 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2013, 03:00:20 PM
I think what's important is that Eli thinks both the Cubs and Bulls are not worth getting too excited about for the foreseeable future.
Am I the only one who thinks this?
I legitimately do not think this.
I'm not expecting the Cubs to win a World Series in the next 2 years, but I'm legitimately interested and still excited about this rebuild.
Granted, it doesn't make "watching baseball" that fun, but my definition of "following my team" has changed so much with age, technology and family changes that this still works for me.
For the Bulls - it's a huge bummer and this year sucks, but I'll still get psyched for their hopeful 7-seed and first round playoff matchup and then next year - right back in the saddle.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2013, 03:18:25 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 03:12:12 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2013, 03:00:20 PM
I think what's important is that Eli thinks both the Cubs and Bulls are not worth getting too excited about for the foreseeable future.
Am I the only one who thinks this?
I legitimately do not think this.
I'm not expecting the Cubs to win a World Series in the next 2 years, but I'm legitimately interested and still excited about this rebuild.
Granted, it doesn't make "watching baseball" that fun, but my definition of "following my team" has changed so much with age, technology and family changes that this still works for me.
For the Bulls - it's a huge bummer and this year sucks, but I'll still get psyched for their hopeful 7-seed and first round playoff matchup and then next year - right back in the saddle.
All of THI, especially the part about being excited for the Bulls' first-round playoff matchup.
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 03:12:12 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2013, 03:00:20 PM
I think what's important is that Eli thinks both the Cubs and Bulls are not worth getting too excited about for the foreseeable future.
Am I the only one who thinks this?
"only one"? Probably not. But the Cubs' rebuild is unlike anything this team has undergone since at least the days of Dallas Green. To be blase about the team now will deprive you of whatever euphoric high or agonizing low lurks on the horizon.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2013, 03:18:25 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 03:12:12 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2013, 03:00:20 PM
I think what's important is that Eli thinks both the Cubs and Bulls are not worth getting too excited about for the foreseeable future.
Am I the only one who thinks this?
I legitimately do not think this.
I'm not expecting the Cubs to win a World Series in the next 2 years, but I'm legitimately interested and still excited about this rebuild.
Granted, it doesn't make "watching baseball" that fun, but my definition of "following my team" has changed so much with age, technology and family changes that this still works for me.
For the Bulls - it's a huge bummer and this year sucks, but I'll still get psyched for their hopeful 7-seed and first round playoff matchup and then next year - right back in the saddle.
Watching the bulls get under the luxury tax will be exciting.
Quote from: BH on November 25, 2013, 03:39:11 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2013, 03:18:25 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 03:12:12 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2013, 03:00:20 PM
I think what's important is that Eli thinks both the Cubs and Bulls are not worth getting too excited about for the foreseeable future.
Am I the only one who thinks this?
I legitimately do not think this.
I'm not expecting the Cubs to win a World Series in the next 2 years, but I'm legitimately interested and still excited about this rebuild.
Granted, it doesn't make "watching baseball" that fun, but my definition of "following my team" has changed so much with age, technology and family changes that this still works for me.
For the Bulls - it's a huge bummer and this year sucks, but I'll still get psyched for their hopeful 7-seed and first round playoff matchup and then next year - right back in the saddle.
Watching the bulls get under the luxury tax will be exciting.
Well, watching the Hawks get under the cap in 2010 was exciting. In a way.
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 09:54:10 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 25, 2013, 09:40:26 AM
Start trading, start tanking and start looking at the deep 2014 draft for the next franchise player, with the hope that healthy
They won't, of course. Thibs wouldn't stand for it and he's such a good coach that they could squeak into the back end of the playoffs based solely on defense and effort. He's almost a liability to a team that needs a complete and total overhaul.
I can't quite get behind the idea of tanking and trashing everything but I don't have a good reason why. Partially because it's really hard to rebuild in the NBA so I'm not convinced it'll even work. And partially because I can't believe this happened and I'm still processing it. Plus, there are quite a few other teams who are trying to tank for Wiggins and Parker and they're better equipped to suck this year.
But to your point, yes, the Bulls are in NBA Hell.
QuoteRose could be a top-notch complimentary piece
"Great shot, Jabari! Nice work!"
It is? I've always figured it's easier to rebuild in the NBA than the other 3 main North American professional sports leagues on account of the fact that you only play 5 guys and suit up a dozen. I would think that 1 stud in the NBA gives you a bigger jump than 1 stud in the NFL, MLB and NHL. If it's hard to rebuild in the NBA then it would seem next to impossible to rebuild in those other 3 leagues. Not trying to troll; I'm honestly perplexed by that statement.
Quote from: PANK! on November 25, 2013, 04:39:10 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 09:54:10 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 25, 2013, 09:40:26 AM
Start trading, start tanking and start looking at the deep 2014 draft for the next franchise player, with the hope that healthy
They won't, of course. Thibs wouldn't stand for it and he's such a good coach that they could squeak into the back end of the playoffs based solely on defense and effort. He's almost a liability to a team that needs a complete and total overhaul.
I can't quite get behind the idea of tanking and trashing everything but I don't have a good reason why. Partially because it's really hard to rebuild in the NBA so I'm not convinced it'll even work. And partially because I can't believe this happened and I'm still processing it. Plus, there are quite a few other teams who are trying to tank for Wiggins and Parker and they're better equipped to suck this year.
But to your point, yes, the Bulls are in NBA Hell.
QuoteRose could be a top-notch complimentary piece
"Great shot, Jabari! Nice work!"
It is? I've always figured it's easier to rebuild in the NBA than the other 3 main North American professional sports leagues on account of the fact that you only play 5 guys and suit up a dozen. I would think that 1 stud in the NBA gives you a bigger jump than 1 stud in the NFL, MLB and NHL. If it's hard to rebuild in the NBA then it would seem next to impossible to rebuild in those other 3 leagues. Not trying to troll; I'm honestly perplexed by that statement.
The problem is that there is a very small handful of guys who qualify for 1 stud status, and it's damn near impossible to get one without getting really bad first.
Quote from: R-V on November 25, 2013, 04:48:31 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 25, 2013, 04:39:10 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 09:54:10 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 25, 2013, 09:40:26 AM
Start trading, start tanking and start looking at the deep 2014 draft for the next franchise player, with the hope that healthy
They won't, of course. Thibs wouldn't stand for it and he's such a good coach that they could squeak into the back end of the playoffs based solely on defense and effort. He's almost a liability to a team that needs a complete and total overhaul.
I can't quite get behind the idea of tanking and trashing everything but I don't have a good reason why. Partially because it's really hard to rebuild in the NBA so I'm not convinced it'll even work. And partially because I can't believe this happened and I'm still processing it. Plus, there are quite a few other teams who are trying to tank for Wiggins and Parker and they're better equipped to suck this year.
But to your point, yes, the Bulls are in NBA Hell.
QuoteRose could be a top-notch complimentary piece
"Great shot, Jabari! Nice work!"
It is? I've always figured it's easier to rebuild in the NBA than the other 3 main North American professional sports leagues on account of the fact that you only play 5 guys and suit up a dozen. I would think that 1 stud in the NBA gives you a bigger jump than 1 stud in the NFL, MLB and NHL. If it's hard to rebuild in the NBA then it would seem next to impossible to rebuild in those other 3 leagues. Not trying to troll; I'm honestly perplexed by that statement.
The problem is that there is a very small handful of guys who qualify for 1 stud status, and it's damn near impossible to get one without getting really bad first.
LeBron in Cleveland and Chris Paul to the Clippers are the only recent examples of teams that
drastically changed their fortunes with the addition of a single player.
I'm sure there are a couple others, but not many.
Quote from: PANK! on November 25, 2013, 04:39:10 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 09:54:10 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 25, 2013, 09:40:26 AM
Start trading, start tanking and start looking at the deep 2014 draft for the next franchise player, with the hope that healthy
They won't, of course. Thibs wouldn't stand for it and he's such a good coach that they could squeak into the back end of the playoffs based solely on defense and effort. He's almost a liability to a team that needs a complete and total overhaul.
I can't quite get behind the idea of tanking and trashing everything but I don't have a good reason why. Partially because it's really hard to rebuild in the NBA so I'm not convinced it'll even work. And partially because I can't believe this happened and I'm still processing it. Plus, there are quite a few other teams who are trying to tank for Wiggins and Parker and they're better equipped to suck this year.
But to your point, yes, the Bulls are in NBA Hell.
QuoteRose could be a top-notch complimentary piece
"Great shot, Jabari! Nice work!"
It is? I've always figured it's easier to rebuild in the NBA than the other 3 main North American professional sports leagues on account of the fact that you only play 5 guys and suit up a dozen. I would think that 1 stud in the NBA gives you a bigger jump than 1 stud in the NFL, MLB and NHL. If it's hard to rebuild in the NBA then it would seem next to impossible to rebuild in those other 3 leagues. Not trying to troll; I'm honestly perplexed by that statement.
It's really hard to rebuild in any sport. In basketball, it's easy to rebuild in the sense that a team can bottom out and take a shot at a high draft pick. But the odds are against anything outside of a top 3 pick making the kind of impact that virtually guarantees his team perennial success. There are about 10 guys in the league who, when healthy can assure their team a .500+ record. Getting not one, but two of those guys is the only way to keep your team in the hunt for a championship.
And with a rigid salary cap in place, it becomes absolutely deadly to be wrong on one of the max contracts. Very few teams can afford to go over the salary cap, so they absolutely have to be right or they'll end up like New York or now... the Lakers (heh heh).
tl;dr: You only need to find two blue chippers to be a contender but there aren't enough of them to go around. So be lucky and be right. Or be the Knicks.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2013, 05:06:47 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 25, 2013, 04:48:31 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 25, 2013, 04:39:10 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 09:54:10 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 25, 2013, 09:40:26 AM
Start trading, start tanking and start looking at the deep 2014 draft for the next franchise player, with the hope that healthy
They won't, of course. Thibs wouldn't stand for it and he's such a good coach that they could squeak into the back end of the playoffs based solely on defense and effort. He's almost a liability to a team that needs a complete and total overhaul.
I can't quite get behind the idea of tanking and trashing everything but I don't have a good reason why. Partially because it's really hard to rebuild in the NBA so I'm not convinced it'll even work. And partially because I can't believe this happened and I'm still processing it. Plus, there are quite a few other teams who are trying to tank for Wiggins and Parker and they're better equipped to suck this year.
But to your point, yes, the Bulls are in NBA Hell.
QuoteRose could be a top-notch complimentary piece
"Great shot, Jabari! Nice work!"
It is? I've always figured it's easier to rebuild in the NBA than the other 3 main North American professional sports leagues on account of the fact that you only play 5 guys and suit up a dozen. I would think that 1 stud in the NBA gives you a bigger jump than 1 stud in the NFL, MLB and NHL. If it's hard to rebuild in the NBA then it would seem next to impossible to rebuild in those other 3 leagues. Not trying to troll; I'm honestly perplexed by that statement.
The problem is that there is a very small handful of guys who qualify for 1 stud status, and it's damn near impossible to get one without getting really bad first.
LeBron in Cleveland and Chris Paul to the Clippers are the only recent examples of teams that drastically changed their fortunes with the addition of a single player.
I'm sure there are a couple others, but not many.
Some Others:
Harden to the Rockets
Howard to the Lakers (heh heh)
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 25, 2013, 05:17:40 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 25, 2013, 05:06:47 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 25, 2013, 04:48:31 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 25, 2013, 04:39:10 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 09:54:10 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 25, 2013, 09:40:26 AM
Start trading, start tanking and start looking at the deep 2014 draft for the next franchise player, with the hope that healthy
They won't, of course. Thibs wouldn't stand for it and he's such a good coach that they could squeak into the back end of the playoffs based solely on defense and effort. He's almost a liability to a team that needs a complete and total overhaul.
I can't quite get behind the idea of tanking and trashing everything but I don't have a good reason why. Partially because it's really hard to rebuild in the NBA so I'm not convinced it'll even work. And partially because I can't believe this happened and I'm still processing it. Plus, there are quite a few other teams who are trying to tank for Wiggins and Parker and they're better equipped to suck this year.
But to your point, yes, the Bulls are in NBA Hell.
QuoteRose could be a top-notch complimentary piece
"Great shot, Jabari! Nice work!"
It is? I've always figured it's easier to rebuild in the NBA than the other 3 main North American professional sports leagues on account of the fact that you only play 5 guys and suit up a dozen. I would think that 1 stud in the NBA gives you a bigger jump than 1 stud in the NFL, MLB and NHL. If it's hard to rebuild in the NBA then it would seem next to impossible to rebuild in those other 3 leagues. Not trying to troll; I'm honestly perplexed by that statement.
The problem is that there is a very small handful of guys who qualify for 1 stud status, and it's damn near impossible to get one without getting really bad first.
LeBron in Cleveland and Chris Paul to the Clippers are the only recent examples of teams that drastically changed their fortunes with the addition of a single player.
I'm sure there are a couple others, but not many.
Some Others:
Harden to the Rockets
Howard to the Lakers (heh heh)
Rockets:
2011-2012 (Pre-Harden): 34-32 (.519) 9th best team in the West.
2012-2013 (With Harden) 45-37 (.549) 8th best team in the West.
They're trending in the right direction, but a little too early to call drastic improvement.
Quote from: PANK! on November 25, 2013, 04:39:10 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 09:54:10 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 25, 2013, 09:40:26 AM
Start trading, start tanking and start looking at the deep 2014 draft for the next franchise player, with the hope that healthy
They won't, of course. Thibs wouldn't stand for it and he's such a good coach that they could squeak into the back end of the playoffs based solely on defense and effort. He's almost a liability to a team that needs a complete and total overhaul.
I can't quite get behind the idea of tanking and trashing everything but I don't have a good reason why. Partially because it's really hard to rebuild in the NBA so I'm not convinced it'll even work. And partially because I can't believe this happened and I'm still processing it. Plus, there are quite a few other teams who are trying to tank for Wiggins and Parker and they're better equipped to suck this year.
But to your point, yes, the Bulls are in NBA Hell.
QuoteRose could be a top-notch complimentary piece
"Great shot, Jabari! Nice work!"
It is? I've always figured it's easier to rebuild in the NBA than the other 3 main North American professional sports leagues on account of the fact that you only play 5 guys and suit up a dozen. I would think that 1 stud in the NBA gives you a bigger jump than 1 stud in the NFL, MLB and NHL. If it's hard to rebuild in the NBA then it would seem next to impossible to rebuild in those other 3 leagues. Not trying to troll; I'm honestly perplexed by that statement.
A few people have covered the gist already. But you can't really collect prospects like in baseball and the finances are far more complicated, since you have to match salaries and live within various types of salary exceptions. No trading an established player for prospects, contract be damned, as in baseball. Those financial restrictions also make large contracts a huge risk and headache, as Apex said.
It's also tougher to build through the draft since you get two picks a year and the second pick is almost always useless. The lottery is also a disadvantage, since the worst team doesn't necessarily get the best pick. The Bobcats ending up with Michael Kidd-Gilchrist instead of Anthony Davis after a seven-win season is a serious kick in the nuts.
And compared to the NFL, there's just not as much parity, so the gap between bad teams and good teams is monumental.
It's much easier to rebuild in the NFL. Look at what Emery did this year with the offense, and what he'll hopefully do next year with the defense. And with the parity half the league is around 500 right now with a shot at the playoffs.
The Bulls were only contenders because they lucked into getting Rose in the first place.
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 05:37:08 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 25, 2013, 04:39:10 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 09:54:10 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 25, 2013, 09:40:26 AM
Start trading, start tanking and start looking at the deep 2014 draft for the next franchise player, with the hope that healthy
They won't, of course. Thibs wouldn't stand for it and he's such a good coach that they could squeak into the back end of the playoffs based solely on defense and effort. He's almost a liability to a team that needs a complete and total overhaul.
I can't quite get behind the idea of tanking and trashing everything but I don't have a good reason why. Partially because it's really hard to rebuild in the NBA so I'm not convinced it'll even work. And partially because I can't believe this happened and I'm still processing it. Plus, there are quite a few other teams who are trying to tank for Wiggins and Parker and they're better equipped to suck this year.
But to your point, yes, the Bulls are in NBA Hell.
QuoteRose could be a top-notch complimentary piece
"Great shot, Jabari! Nice work!"
It is? I've always figured it's easier to rebuild in the NBA than the other 3 main North American professional sports leagues on account of the fact that you only play 5 guys and suit up a dozen. I would think that 1 stud in the NBA gives you a bigger jump than 1 stud in the NFL, MLB and NHL. If it's hard to rebuild in the NBA then it would seem next to impossible to rebuild in those other 3 leagues. Not trying to troll; I'm honestly perplexed by that statement.
A few people have covered the gist already. But you can't really collect prospects like in baseball and the finances are far more complicated, since you have to match salaries and live within various types of salary exceptions. No trading an established player for prospects, contract be damned, as in baseball. Those financial restrictions also make large contracts a huge risk and headache, as Apex said.
It's also tougher to build through the draft since you get two picks a year and the second pick is almost always useless. The lottery is also a disadvantage, since the worst team doesn't necessarily get the best pick. The Bobcats ending up with Michael Kidd-Gilchrist instead of Anthony Davis after a seven-win season is a serious kick in the nuts.
And compared to the NFL, there's just not as much parity, so the gap between bad teams and good teams is monumental.
Timing also plays a key part.. some years the draft has lots of talent like this years will. Other years there are no real superstar franchise players.
The DRose bad news has made it to rural Ohio because my in-laws heard about it on the radio. And apparently my father-in-law, who is not a sports fan at all, was going on and on about how dumb it is to build a team around one player. So I'm looking forward to spending Thanksgiving unsuccessfully explaining the how the salary cap, free agency, and the NBA draft work.
And that reminds me of a caller on the Score yesterday that asked why NBA teams don't plan to back-up their superstars. Stupid Gar-Pax... why don't you have John Wall or Kyrie Irving on the bench in case Rose blows out a knee?
Quote from: BH on November 26, 2013, 07:59:16 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 05:37:08 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 25, 2013, 04:39:10 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 09:54:10 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 25, 2013, 09:40:26 AM
Start trading, start tanking and start looking at the deep 2014 draft for the next franchise player, with the hope that healthy
They won't, of course. Thibs wouldn't stand for it and he's such a good coach that they could squeak into the back end of the playoffs based solely on defense and effort. He's almost a liability to a team that needs a complete and total overhaul.
I can't quite get behind the idea of tanking and trashing everything but I don't have a good reason why. Partially because it's really hard to rebuild in the NBA so I'm not convinced it'll even work. And partially because I can't believe this happened and I'm still processing it. Plus, there are quite a few other teams who are trying to tank for Wiggins and Parker and they're better equipped to suck this year.
But to your point, yes, the Bulls are in NBA Hell.
QuoteRose could be a top-notch complimentary piece
"Great shot, Jabari! Nice work!"
It is? I've always figured it's easier to rebuild in the NBA than the other 3 main North American professional sports leagues on account of the fact that you only play 5 guys and suit up a dozen. I would think that 1 stud in the NBA gives you a bigger jump than 1 stud in the NFL, MLB and NHL. If it's hard to rebuild in the NBA then it would seem next to impossible to rebuild in those other 3 leagues. Not trying to troll; I'm honestly perplexed by that statement.
A few people have covered the gist already. But you can't really collect prospects like in baseball and the finances are far more complicated, since you have to match salaries and live within various types of salary exceptions. No trading an established player for prospects, contract be damned, as in baseball. Those financial restrictions also make large contracts a huge risk and headache, as Apex said.
It's also tougher to build through the draft since you get two picks a year and the second pick is almost always useless. The lottery is also a disadvantage, since the worst team doesn't necessarily get the best pick. The Bobcats ending up with Michael Kidd-Gilchrist instead of Anthony Davis after a seven-win season is a serious kick in the nuts.
And compared to the NFL, there's just not as much parity, so the gap between bad teams and good teams is monumental.
Timing also plays a key part.. some years the draft has lots of talent like this years will. Other years there are no real superstar franchise players.
(http://thacover2.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/anthony-bennett-d-league-566x383.jpg)
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 26, 2013, 09:10:53 AM
Quote from: BH on November 26, 2013, 07:59:16 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 05:37:08 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 25, 2013, 04:39:10 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 25, 2013, 09:54:10 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 25, 2013, 09:40:26 AM
Start trading, start tanking and start looking at the deep 2014 draft for the next franchise player, with the hope that healthy
They won't, of course. Thibs wouldn't stand for it and he's such a good coach that they could squeak into the back end of the playoffs based solely on defense and effort. He's almost a liability to a team that needs a complete and total overhaul.
I can't quite get behind the idea of tanking and trashing everything but I don't have a good reason why. Partially because it's really hard to rebuild in the NBA so I'm not convinced it'll even work. And partially because I can't believe this happened and I'm still processing it. Plus, there are quite a few other teams who are trying to tank for Wiggins and Parker and they're better equipped to suck this year.
But to your point, yes, the Bulls are in NBA Hell.
QuoteRose could be a top-notch complimentary piece
"Great shot, Jabari! Nice work!"
It is? I've always figured it's easier to rebuild in the NBA than the other 3 main North American professional sports leagues on account of the fact that you only play 5 guys and suit up a dozen. I would think that 1 stud in the NBA gives you a bigger jump than 1 stud in the NFL, MLB and NHL. If it's hard to rebuild in the NBA then it would seem next to impossible to rebuild in those other 3 leagues. Not trying to troll; I'm honestly perplexed by that statement.
A few people have covered the gist already. But you can't really collect prospects like in baseball and the finances are far more complicated, since you have to match salaries and live within various types of salary exceptions. No trading an established player for prospects, contract be damned, as in baseball. Those financial restrictions also make large contracts a huge risk and headache, as Apex said.
It's also tougher to build through the draft since you get two picks a year and the second pick is almost always useless. The lottery is also a disadvantage, since the worst team doesn't necessarily get the best pick. The Bobcats ending up with Michael Kidd-Gilchrist instead of Anthony Davis after a seven-win season is a serious kick in the nuts.
And compared to the NFL, there's just not as much parity, so the gap between bad teams and good teams is monumental.
Timing also plays a key part.. some years the draft has lots of talent like this years will. Other years there are no real superstar franchise players.
(http://thacover2.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/anthony-bennett-d-league-566x383.jpg)
Holy crap. I thought that picture was had the wrong dimensions and was stretched but no, Anthony Bennett is just fat. He's also 9-for-42 from the field this year, which would be bad for Larry Hughes on a bender, much less a forward.
Is this still the Bulls thread?
It's from a few days ago, but Woj calls the Bulls one of the two front runners for Carmelo. (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--carmelo-anthony-leaning-toward-leaving-knicks--bulls--rockets-in-contention-161206919.html)
The article mentions that the Bulls would need to amnesty Boozer (fine) and trade Taj (that sucks) to make room for Carmelo.
Alternatively, they could try some package of Gibson, Boozer and Butler to go after Kevin Love, who I'd rather have than Carmelo, though that's a fairly steep price.
Excited to do this all summer again.
Edit: Here's a pretty good rundown (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2100093-best-potential-trade-scenarios-for-chicago-bulls-to-land-another-star) of some of the options for the Bulls.
LeBron or Bust 2: Electric Boogaloo
Quote from: PenFoe on June 18, 2014, 06:01:32 PM
Is this still the Bulls thread?
It's from a few days ago, but Woj calls the Bulls one of the two front runners for Carmelo. (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--carmelo-anthony-leaning-toward-leaving-knicks--bulls--rockets-in-contention-161206919.html)
The article mentions that the Bulls would need to amnesty Boozer (fine) and trade Taj (that sucks) to make room for Carmelo.
Alternatively, they could try some package of Gibson, Boozer and Butler to go after Kevin Love, who I'd rather have than Carmelo, though that's a fairly steep price.
Excited to do this all summer again.
Edit: Here's a pretty good rundown (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2100093-best-potential-trade-scenarios-for-chicago-bulls-to-land-another-star) of some of the options for the Bulls.
One of the things that sucks is fans so anxious to keep Taj they'd be wiling to miss out on a star like Love or Melo. Taj is good and nice and I like him a lot but he's not either of those guys.
People love the idea of hanging on to their supporting guys when really you need 2-3 all-stars and the rest can be filled in via shrewd moves.
What I'm saying is launch anyone who isn't Noah or Rose to do what you need to do. I'd miss Taj too but it has to be done.
Quote from: Slaky on June 19, 2014, 08:49:52 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 18, 2014, 06:01:32 PM
Is this still the Bulls thread?
It's from a few days ago, but Woj calls the Bulls one of the two front runners for Carmelo. (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--carmelo-anthony-leaning-toward-leaving-knicks--bulls--rockets-in-contention-161206919.html)
The article mentions that the Bulls would need to amnesty Boozer (fine) and trade Taj (that sucks) to make room for Carmelo.
Alternatively, they could try some package of Gibson, Boozer and Butler to go after Kevin Love, who I'd rather have than Carmelo, though that's a fairly steep price.
Excited to do this all summer again.
Edit: Here's a pretty good rundown (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2100093-best-potential-trade-scenarios-for-chicago-bulls-to-land-another-star) of some of the options for the Bulls.
One of the things that sucks is fans so anxious to keep Taj they'd be wiling to miss out on a star like Love or Melo. Taj is good and nice and I like him a lot but he's not either of those guys.
People love the idea of hanging on to their supporting guys when really you need 2-3 all-stars and the rest can be filled in via shrewd moves.
What I'm saying is launch anyone who isn't Noah or Rose to do what you need to do. I'd miss Taj too but it has to be done.
Yeah, I'm down with this. When I saw that a Love trade probably needed Taj and Jimmy Butler I was sad for a split second, but quickly came to that same realization. Noah, Rose and Love/Melo is a hell of a lot stronger than a bunch of supporting guys.
Quote from: Slaky on June 19, 2014, 08:49:52 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 18, 2014, 06:01:32 PM
Is this still the Bulls thread?
It's from a few days ago, but Woj calls the Bulls one of the two front runners for Carmelo. (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--carmelo-anthony-leaning-toward-leaving-knicks--bulls--rockets-in-contention-161206919.html)
The article mentions that the Bulls would need to amnesty Boozer (fine) and trade Taj (that sucks) to make room for Carmelo.
Alternatively, they could try some package of Gibson, Boozer and Butler to go after Kevin Love, who I'd rather have than Carmelo, though that's a fairly steep price.
Excited to do this all summer again.
Edit: Here's a pretty good rundown (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2100093-best-potential-trade-scenarios-for-chicago-bulls-to-land-another-star) of some of the options for the Bulls.
One of the things that sucks is fans so anxious to keep Taj they'd be wiling to miss out on a star like Love or Melo. Taj is good and nice and I like him a lot but he's not either of those guys.
People love the idea of hanging on to their supporting guys when really you need 2-3 all-stars and the rest can be filled in via shrewd moves.
What I'm saying is launch anyone who isn't Noah or Rose to do what you need to do. I'd miss Taj too but it has to be done.
Are you saying you wouldn't move Noah for anything?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 19, 2014, 11:29:29 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 19, 2014, 08:49:52 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 18, 2014, 06:01:32 PM
Is this still the Bulls thread?
It's from a few days ago, but Woj calls the Bulls one of the two front runners for Carmelo. (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--carmelo-anthony-leaning-toward-leaving-knicks--bulls--rockets-in-contention-161206919.html)
The article mentions that the Bulls would need to amnesty Boozer (fine) and trade Taj (that sucks) to make room for Carmelo.
Alternatively, they could try some package of Gibson, Boozer and Butler to go after Kevin Love, who I'd rather have than Carmelo, though that's a fairly steep price.
Excited to do this all summer again.
Edit: Here's a pretty good rundown (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2100093-best-potential-trade-scenarios-for-chicago-bulls-to-land-another-star) of some of the options for the Bulls.
One of the things that sucks is fans so anxious to keep Taj they'd be wiling to miss out on a star like Love or Melo. Taj is good and nice and I like him a lot but he's not either of those guys.
People love the idea of hanging on to their supporting guys when really you need 2-3 all-stars and the rest can be filled in via shrewd moves.
What I'm saying is launch anyone who isn't Noah or Rose to do what you need to do. I'd miss Taj too but it has to be done.
Are you saying you wouldn't move Noah for anything?
I'm not saying that. But if you can keep Rose and Noah and get Melo, which seems to be the consensus - we'll do that.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 19, 2014, 09:47:50 AM
Yeah, I'm down with this. When I saw that a Love trade probably needed Taj and Jimmy Butler I was sad for a split second, but quickly came to that same realization. Noah, Rose and Love/Melo is a hell of a lot stronger than a bunch of supporting guys.
Agreed. It's encouraging that after like a decade of overvaluing their own guys, the Bulls seem to have gotten that you need stars to win in the NBA. I like Taj and Jimmy well enough, but I won't miss them for a second if Melo or Love is coming back in return.