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Remember our health care debate on Desipio and how some of you swore up and down that it would actually reduce the deficit and was gonna be super awesome?

QuoteRepublicans on Capitol Hill are having an I-told-you-so moment after the Obama administration admitted late Friday that the CLASS Act, a major component of Obamacare, is unworkable.

CLASS, which stood for Community Living Assistance Services and Supports, was a pet project of the late Democratic Sen. Edward Kennedy.  It was supposed to help Americans pay the cost of long-term care.  During the health care debate in 2009 and 2010, Democrats claimed that the program would not only pay for itself but would actually reduce the federal budget deficit.  At the time Obamacare passed, Democrats claimed the law overall would cut the deficit by $140 billion over the next ten years; about $70 billion of that was supposed to come from the CLASS Act.

But even then, lawmakers of both parties knew that CLASS was unworkable.  Democrats structured the program to collect premiums for years before beginning to pay out benefits -- thus, it appeared to reduce the deficit when it would in fact greatly increase the deficit once it began making payments.  As a voluntary program, it would become acutely unworkable if, as expected, only those in need of long term care signed up for it.  Everyone knew that; during the Obamacare debate, Democratic Sen. Kent Conrad called CLASS "a Ponzi scheme of the first order, the kind of thing that Bernie Madoff would have been proud of."  Yet Conrad and all his fellow Democrats voted for Obamacare, including CLASS.

Finally, on Friday, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius admitted it won't work.  "Despite our best analytical efforts, I do not see a viable path forward for CLASS implementation at this time," Sebelius wrote in a letter to Congress.

So what now?  The Obama administration, which had set up CLASS offices inside the Department of Health and Human Services and devoted great resources to its implementation, would apparently like to just shut it down and pretend CLASS never existed.  But it is in the Obamacare law.  And in light of the administration's admission Friday, Republicans will soon move to repeal CLASS altogether.  "Though it won't be implemented, it would be good to get it off the books," says one well-connected Senate source.  In a statement released late Friday, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said, "The Obama administration today acknowledged what they refused to admit when they passed their partisan health bill: the CLASS Act was a budget gimmick that might enhance the numbers on a Washington bureaucrat's spreadsheet but was destined to fail in the real world."

Health care reform is almost officially dead on arrival. Not because of GOP opposition but from Democratic law makers who apparently can't do simple math when creating their bills.

Just group that with the GunWalker scandal/Eric Holder stonewalling and the ever evolving Solyndra scandal. I especially like how he took care of his campaign contributors 1st and told the american tax payer to go fuck himself. Smooth Obama. Now they are stonewalling in releasing documents on it.

Though i will give props for Obama sending troops to Uganda and will be operating in Sudan and Congo as well. Bout time to try and attempt to stop some of the crazy people killing innocents over there. Sudan we should have intervened long ago. But i do not like the pre-determined time schedule of them only being there a couple months. The enemy will wait it out, and the local population will not assist for fear of being targeted after we are gone. Our troops are gonna go for a little bit of time, probably accomplish very little and come on home and for what? A PR stunt? A mini Somali without the Black Hawk Down hopefully. Lets just hope they do some major killing before they are recalled.

Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on August 27, 2011, 02:40:56 PM
I wonder what MikeC and his fellow brother cops think about this one...

http://www.universalhub.com/2011/court-says-state-law-banning-recording-police-offi
http://www.theagitator.com/2011/08/26/first-circuit-panel-says-theres-a-clear-constitutional-right-to-record-cops/

Your a public officer and you assume your being recorded at all times anyways. Only if you think your doing something wrong would an officer want to stop a recording.

Question......since Obama is on day 31 of waiting for UN Approval on strikes against Libyan loyalists.....do you think Bush would give two shits about what the UN thought and tried to help the rebels finally be free of this madman?

I don't think Qaddafi would have let out a mouse fart for fear of being in the Bush Administrations cross hairs. No such fear exists with the current White House.

Quote"Where are the Americans?" That's the sixty-four-dollar question. Chaos in Egypt: "Where are the Americans?" Gaddafi in Libya: "Where are the Americans?" Devastation in Japan: "Where are the Americans?" I am in London for a few days. At a dinner party last night, that was once again the question: "Where are the Americans?" On Tuesday, U.S. debt jumped $72 billion — in one day. What are the Americans doing about it? President Obama's secretary of the Treasury insisted that Congress raise the debt limit so that the government could borrow more. "Where are the Americans?" President Obama has managed the impossible-seeming feat of making a president of France appear decisive and effective.  Nicolas Sarkozy was the first Western leader to recognize the Libyan opposition. "Where are the Americans?"

The most dangerous thing in the world is having an incompetent, and indecisive American President.

Good luck in Rio, god knows there is nothing important going on in the world.

Ohhh man what a last couple of weeks for the Dem's.  Running like scared little bitches in Wisconsin when they lose elections. Really the best you can do is flee the state and are shocked when they vote and your not present? WTF did you think was gonna happen the Tea Party and the GOP was gonna throw up their hands and go awwwwwww those crafty little liberals got us again.....lets compromise!

QuoteState Rep. Nick Milroy is the Democratic state representative from Wisconsin's 73rd assembly district.  He was on America's Radio News with anchors Chris Salcedo and Lori Lundin.  Salcedo pointed out that union membership was split by their votes in 2010, 49% for Democrats and 47% for Republicans, nearly an even split. But unions donated 93% of their total contributions to Democrats in 2010, and 7% to Republicans or others.  The question was asked if the assemblyman could understand why Republicans were not in favor of having tax payer funded dues go to fund Democrat campaigns?  The assemblyman contended that public employees can opt out of the unions.  But when pressed about how even those that opt out must pay union dues, the assemblyman suggested that those people that didn't want to be part of a union could find other work.

Get that? You'll be forced to donate to a party that you don't support, and you'll like it!

Nice scam you guys got going on, too bad its about to come crashing down.

Ohhhh my more of that violent Tea Party rhetoric!



Nope just liberal teachers unions who are loyal Obama supporters.

So if he gets shot can we blame your entire political party? Why isn't any Democrats outraged with whats going on there? Right i know its the Tea Party that is ultra violent......i have to stay on the narrative. Sorry guys.

Quote from: Fork on January 11, 2011, 09:09:36 AM
Of course, the Dems are guilty, in that phrases like "Targeting strategy" and the like are never used in, say, marketing or advertising.

And the Democratic candidates for office were full of "Second Amendment Solutions" and "Don't retreat-RELOAD".

Are they saints? Of course not. Politics is shitty business.

That being said, there may (hopefully) be 2 positives to come out of all this:

1) Sarah Palin becomes so politically toxic that she is no longer a factor on the National stage, and

2) People in both parties understand that, like it or not, you better make sure somebody is fully vetted before you put them on Camera 1.

You pretty much nail the entire purpose of the Democratic strategy to stop Sarah Palin or anyone else that dares to defy Democrats. Say as much crazy, made up up crap, that is never supported by facts in an attempt to make them toxic.

Your positive is to associate something that has nothing to do with Palin in the hopes it makes her more toxic.

Really it just prove my entire point about this non-sense about associating it with Palin. It doesn't really matter whether its true or not as long as the end goal is the destruction of Palin. Thats the positive you get out of it? Holy fuck that is a warped reality. I bet Dan Rather used that same logic loop when he ran his last story for CBS Nightly News.

This event was a tragedy by some nut job and you go and watch CNN or MSNBC and they are talking about how its' Sarah Palin's fault or Rush Limbaugh hell even the Tea Party? Wolf Blitzer of all people after a reporter spent 3 minutes going over Sarah Palin's whole history asked the reporter, " Is their any evidence that he was a Palin supporter?" And the reporter was like zero, none. So why the fuck you even mentioning her name?

Now they want to introduce legislation to curb political speech. Conservative speech, because as we all know liberals are so damn sympathetic to all people and are not racist and violent. I don't care if she had a website with nuclear bombs on each district, normal sane people don't walk into a Safeway and kill 6 people because they saw a target symbol on a website.....if he even visited the site, or was a Sarah Palin supporter in the slightest bit. Normal sane people know the difference between right and wrong. He wasn't normal and he wasn't sane.....and it sure as hell wasn't Palins fault.

I can point to things 10,000 times as bad as a Palin site with targets, there is about a decade of evidence of all the left wing hate speech, and violent imagery against Bush. Palin has had her fair share thrown at her and her family as well.

I just find it sad that every time there is an act of violence the media has to jump in and blame Right Wing Extremists only to be proven wrong each and every time. Bill Sparkman, Amy Bishop, The Fort Hood Shooter, The IRS Plane Crasher, The Cabbie Stabbing, and The Pentagon Shooter.

Hey look people get killed, its Talk Radio's fault! Or its Sarah Palin! Nice little pattern the media has. The Arizona shooting.....the media jumps right into blaming conservatives, how fucking sad to promote your propaganda on tragedies such as this.

QuoteTo be clear, if you're using this event to criticize the "rhetoric" of Mrs. Palin or others with whom you disagree, then you're either: (a) asserting a connection between the "rhetoric" and the shooting, which based on evidence to date would be what we call a vicious lie; or (b) you're not, in which case you're just seizing on a tragedy to try to score unrelated political points, which is contemptible. Which is it?

Also some nice examples of White House corruption.....

Quote• Ex Google lobbyist Andrew McLaughlin working as the No. 2 tech policy guy in the White House discussing net neutrality with Google lobbyists (registered and unregistered) while Google stood to profit from the administration's Net Neutrality rules.

• Former Goldman Sachs lobbyist Mark Patterson taking a job as Treasury Department chief of staff within 9 months of his work for Goldman.

• Former H&R Block CEO Mark Ernst being hired by Obama's IRS and then writing new regulations on tax prep -- regulations that H&R Block has endorsed, and that will help H&R Block.

• Obama officials meeting off campus for official business for the sake of avoiding the Presidential Records Act.

• And this nugget from the same NYTimes piece: "Two lobbyists also cited instances in which the White House had suggested that a job candidate be "deregistered" as a lobbyist in Senate records to avoid violating the administration's hiring restrictions."

• The firing of AmeriCorps Inspector General Gerald Walpin. As my colleague Byron York has explained: "The method of Walpin's firing could be a violation of the 2008 Inspectors General Reform Act, which requires the president to give Congress 30 days' notice, plus an explanation of cause, before firing an inspector general."

• Giving a car company (Chrysler) to a political entity that spent millions to get you elected. This deal involved alleged threats by a since-indicted car czar to knee-cap investors who didn't want to agree to the White House's deal.

Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/lachlan-markay/2011/01/07/newsweeks-jonathan-alter-demands-evidence-wh-corruption-gets-it#ixzz1ARZX8BTl

What ever happened to Obama not hiring lobbyists? Another lie.

And that short list leaves off the DOJ corruption regarding New Black Panther Party. A few others can be added as well.

Quote from: BH on January 07, 2011, 08:11:29 AM

Quote from: MikeC on January 07, 2011, 07:48:39 AM

Quote from: Tonker on January 06, 2011, 06:13:47 AM

Quote from: MikeC on January 06, 2011, 05:50:09 AM
I love the Democrat strategy 5 hours into House Republicans term. Attack them for being to focused on health care and not jobs. The same strategy Republicans used 2 years ago. Nice flip flop.

Kinda like Obamas flip flop on this issue.....

QuoteUpon casting a vote against raising the debt ceiling in 2006, Mr. Obama said, in part: "America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt limit."

I see when Bush was in power, it was a failure of leadership, when your in power its no big deal. In fact that happens with a shit load of Bush policies that Obama railed against but adopted as his own when he became President.

QuotePAs a reporter pointed out, the Senate in 2006 only passed the debt ceiling measure 52 to 48, a relatively close outcome. "Well, we've had closer," Gibbs quipped.
Insisting that "the full faith and credit of our government and our economy was not in doubt" in 2006, Gibbs said Mr. Obama had used to vote "to make a point about needing to get serious about fiscal discipline" and was "sending a message."

Boy Obama sure did get serious about fiscal discipline didn't he? And people wonder why the Democrats got slaughtered last Nov.

What the fuck is wrong with you?  I neither know nor care about the truth of these issues, but nonetheless you drive me up the fucking wall.  You do know that politics and sports are different, right?  You can pick a sports team and root for them through thick and thin, but if you do that with politicians your going to make you're self look ridiculous.  Obama and the Democrats do some stupid things  - some deliberately, some because they have to; and they do some good things - some deliberately, and some because they have to.  Guess what?  George W. Bush and the Republicans did some stupid things (and surely even you can see where this is going now, Mike), and they, too, did some good things.  EVERY FUCKING POLITICIAN THAT HAS EVER LIVED HAS DONE MANY, MANY GOOD THINGS AND MANY, MANY BAD THINGS - which is which depends purely on your point of view ON AN ISSUE BY ISSUE BASIS, REGARDLESS OF WHICH TEAM YOU ROOT FOR.

You're not the only person in here that does this, but you're far and away the worst.  For fuck's sake, man.  Grow up.

It just goes back to what i have always said about Obama since day one. The man will say anything, promise you anything, play politics with issues to get your support and then not follow through. He wasn't some new politician he was the same old piece of shit politician like everyone else.

It's really fun to point out his hypocritical stances, because he as we all know he was supposed to be about "change" and not being like every other politician. For the people who actually looked at his background we already knew he was a bullshit artist, but his supporters lapped up all of his gimmicks.

If it was a failure of leadership in 2006 to Obama, then he is a failed leader. Thats in his own words and no body else.

I am under no illusion the Republicans can be held to their promises, but they need to damn well try. And its a hell of alot better than the Dem option of spending the shit our of every dollar they can find in the White House seat cushions. If they just want to follow old dem policies then its going to be doom on both parties come 2012.

You realize that the notion that republicans are big savers and democrats are big spenders hasn't been accurate in a long time right? 

Hmmmm i don't know....do you realize the shit ton of money the Democrats have spent in the last 2 years? I mean its not like they just spent a little more than Bush years. They spent more money than god in the last 2 years.

It isn't accurate? I mean if the Democrats aren't the big spenders then we wouldn't have gotten we got over the last 2 years. They were the sole people in charge right?

Quote from: Tonker on January 06, 2011, 06:13:47 AM

Quote from: MikeC on January 06, 2011, 05:50:09 AM
I love the Democrat strategy 5 hours into House Republicans term. Attack them for being to focused on health care and not jobs. The same strategy Republicans used 2 years ago. Nice flip flop.

Kinda like Obamas flip flop on this issue.....

QuoteUpon casting a vote against raising the debt ceiling in 2006, Mr. Obama said, in part: "America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt limit."

I see when Bush was in power, it was a failure of leadership, when your in power its no big deal. In fact that happens with a shit load of Bush policies that Obama railed against but adopted as his own when he became President.

QuotePAs a reporter pointed out, the Senate in 2006 only passed the debt ceiling measure 52 to 48, a relatively close outcome. "Well, we've had closer," Gibbs quipped.
Insisting that "the full faith and credit of our government and our economy was not in doubt" in 2006, Gibbs said Mr. Obama had used to vote "to make a point about needing to get serious about fiscal discipline" and was "sending a message."

Boy Obama sure did get serious about fiscal discipline didn't he? And people wonder why the Democrats got slaughtered last Nov.

What the fuck is wrong with you?  I neither know nor care about the truth of these issues, but nonetheless you drive me up the fucking wall.  You do know that politics and sports are different, right?  You can pick a sports team and root for them through thick and thin, but if you do that with politicians your going to make you're self look ridiculous.  Obama and the Democrats do some stupid things  - some deliberately, some because they have to; and they do some good things - some deliberately, and some because they have to.  Guess what?  George W. Bush and the Republicans did some stupid things (and surely even you can see where this is going now, Mike), and they, too, did some good things.  EVERY FUCKING POLITICIAN THAT HAS EVER LIVED HAS DONE MANY, MANY GOOD THINGS AND MANY, MANY BAD THINGS - which is which depends purely on your point of view ON AN ISSUE BY ISSUE BASIS, REGARDLESS OF WHICH TEAM YOU ROOT FOR.

You're not the only person in here that does this, but you're far and away the worst.  For fuck's sake, man.  Grow up.

It just goes back to what i have always said about Obama since day one. The man will say anything, promise you anything, play politics with issues to get your support and then not follow through. He wasn't some new politician he was the same old piece of shit politician like everyone else.

It's really fun to point out his hypocritical stances, because he as we all know he was supposed to be about "change" and not being like every other politician. For the people who actually looked at his background we already knew he was a bullshit artist, but his supporters lapped up all of his gimmicks.

If it was a failure of leadership in 2006 to Obama, then he is a failed leader. Thats in his own words and no body else.

I am under no illusion the Republicans can be held to their promises, but they need to damn well try. And its a hell of alot better than the Dem option of spending the shit our of every dollar they can find in the White House seat cushions. If they just want to follow old dem policies then its going to be doom on both parties come 2012.

I love the Democrat strategy 5 hours into House Republicans term. Attack them for being to focused on health care and not jobs. The same strategy Republicans used 2 years ago. Nice flip flop.

Kinda like Obamas flip flop on this issue.....

QuoteUpon casting a vote against raising the debt ceiling in 2006, Mr. Obama said, in part: "America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt limit."

I see when Bush was in power, it was a failure of leadership, when your in power its no big deal. In fact that happens with a shit load of Bush policies that Obama railed against but adopted as his own when he became President.

QuotePAs a reporter pointed out, the Senate in 2006 only passed the debt ceiling measure 52 to 48, a relatively close outcome. "Well, we've had closer," Gibbs quipped.
Insisting that "the full faith and credit of our government and our economy was not in doubt" in 2006, Gibbs said Mr. Obama had used to vote "to make a point about needing to get serious about fiscal discipline" and was "sending a message."

Boy Obama sure did get serious about fiscal discipline didn't he? And people wonder why the Democrats got slaughtered last Nov.

Its not like the writing hasn't been on the wall for months, plus its really not a good idea to call Tea Party people racists, violent, or Tea Baggers.....they might just vote you out of office. Which is pretty much what happened.

Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 03, 2010, 09:17:15 AM

Quote from: SKO on November 03, 2010, 08:31:52 AM
Also, where the fuck is MikeC? His triumphant return to Desipio was what I was looking forward to most yesterday.

Maybe he's decided he can best serve his party by shutting the fuck up.

Actually i just let you guys like your fellow Democrats run their mouths.....and then I waited for Nov 2nd. Epic fail Democrats. Hmmm maybe heeding your own advice would be wise.

Here is one of those moments in time where you can stick your head in the sand and say liberals don't control the media, its all conservatives all the time in charge....

http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/13852

QuoteA deal to sell Newsweek to a 91-year-old stereo equipment magnate will be announced later this afternoon, a move that will signal the end of a half-century of ownership by the Washington Post Company....

According to several people who have been briefed on the process, Mr. Harman's bid appealed to Mr. Graham and the Post Company because Mr. Harman has said he would retain a significant number of the magazine's 325 employees. The financial details of the sale were not known, though one person with knowledge of Mr. Harman's bid said last week that he would pay $1 in exchange for absorbing Newsweek's considerable financial liabilities.

So let's be fair, $1.00 isn't exactly the market value, it's actually much less than that since apparently Mr. Harman is going to take on significant financial liabilities in exchange for the right to lose money from here to eternity on this white elephant. The Washington Post is quite literally giving the entire operation away just to be out from under the obligations – and that tells you all you need to know about what they think the future holds for Newsweek.

But in a fascinating twist, the Post appears to have several offers that were much better than this, offers which would have given their own shareholders a much better return on these assets and on all the money that's been wasted this past year.   So why did they turn down those offers and instead, make their own shareholders take a beating by giving Newsweek away for free?  Because those nasty high bidders might have actually fired some employees and <gasp> CHANGED the editorial direction of the Magazine!  We can't have that, oh heaven forbid, we can't have that!  So better to take a huge loss and  auger this entire operation into the dirt before even considering whether maybe, just maybe, they've been doing things wrong.

Harmon's wife is Jane Harmon a Democrat congresswoman from California.........yep better to give it away and keep it in the DNC family. I bet it was some nasty evil Republicans trying to monopolize even more of the media. Way to stick it to them Wash Post. Aren't you the same guys that are ignoring the Black Panter/Eric Holder scandal? And don't you employ Journolist founder Ezra Klein? Wait he writes columns for NewsWeek as well.

I am sure its all just a coincidence........glad to know shareholders took it in the ass to have liberals keep a job. Would that be saving or creating a job? Stimulus works!

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Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 22, 2010, 09:10:24 AM
What, Mike... nothing on the latest Breitbart joint to drop?

You know, the one that proves that the NAACP are the real racists?

Well the obvious silence about Journolist members conspiring to call people racists to deflect attention away from their favored candidates is pretty telling around here. When something you know is wrong, but can't bring yourself to say is wrong, it becomes non-news to you guys. Just like Journolist members wanting to change the subject.