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Re: Theo Epstein Sploosh Thread
« Reply #255 on: October 21, 2013, 11:38:02 AM »
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I'm fine with this. Sign him, sign Tanaka, let Bryant and Baez start the season in the majors and ...

... profit?

Would you start Baez at SS, 2B, 3B?  And would you send him to Chicago in April regardless, or treat spring training as a tryout/gauge of readiness?
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Re: Theo Epstein Sploosh Thread
« Reply #256 on: October 21, 2013, 11:47:47 AM »
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Would you start Baez at SS, 2B, 3B?  And would you send him to Chicago in April regardless, or treat spring training as a tryout/gauge of readiness?

2B, I guess. And sure, maybe use spring training as a rough barometer. Give him some time in AAA if need be. especially if he needs some game reps at a new position.

I do think Bryant is ready and AAA would mostly be a waste of time.

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Re: Theo Epstein Sploosh Thread
« Reply #257 on: October 21, 2013, 11:57:15 AM »
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Would you start Baez at SS, 2B, 3B?  And would you send him to Chicago in April regardless, or treat spring training as a tryout/gauge of readiness?

2B, I guess. And sure, maybe use spring training as a rough barometer. Give him some time in AAA if need be. especially if he needs some game reps at a new position.

I do think Bryant is ready and AAA would mostly be a waste of time.

I think Baez is really close but I'd probably wait to see improvement in plate discipline over a longer sample before promoting him.  (That's without mentioning his struggles on defense, too, although he could probably handle 2nd.)  His OBP (.341 last year across two levels) may not translate too well to the majors, and it's hard to say if he'd make enough contact to hit enough homers and doubles to make up for it.  There's no rush to get him up here, as I don't think they'll contend in 2014 either.  It'll be hard to send him down if he has another strong spring training though.

I also think Bryant is just about ready, more so than Baez, but he finished in High-A last year and again, there's no hurry.  He should definitely get an invitation to spring training, and if he rakes and looks solid in the field, I would be fine with him starting on Opening Day.
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Re: Theo Epstein Sploosh Thread
« Reply #258 on: October 21, 2013, 02:00:28 PM »
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 21, 2013, 11:57:15 AM
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Would you start Baez at SS, 2B, 3B?  And would you send him to Chicago in April regardless, or treat spring training as a tryout/gauge of readiness?

2B, I guess. And sure, maybe use spring training as a rough barometer. Give him some time in AAA if need be. especially if he needs some game reps at a new position.

I do think Bryant is ready and AAA would mostly be a waste of time.

I think Baez is really close but I'd probably wait to see improvement in plate discipline over a longer sample before promoting him.  (That's without mentioning his struggles on defense, too, although he could probably handle 2nd.)  His OBP (.341 last year across two levels) may not translate too well to the majors, and it's hard to say if he'd make enough contact to hit enough homers and doubles to make up for it.  There's no rush to get him up here, as I don't think they'll contend in 2014 either.  It'll be hard to send him down if he has another strong spring training though.

I also think Bryant is just about ready, more so than Baez, but he finished in High-A last year and again, there's no hurry.  He should definitely get an invitation to spring training, and if he rakes and looks solid in the field, I would be fine with him starting on Opening Day.

Both will come up after Super II day, sometime in early to mid-May.

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Re: Theo Epstein Sploosh Thread
« Reply #259 on: October 21, 2013, 03:06:50 PM »
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Would you start Baez at SS, 2B, 3B?  And would you send him to Chicago in April regardless, or treat spring training as a tryout/gauge of readiness?

2B, I guess. And sure, maybe use spring training as a rough barometer. Give him some time in AAA if need be. especially if he needs some game reps at a new position.

I do think Bryant is ready and AAA would mostly be a waste of time.

I think Baez is really close but I'd probably wait to see improvement in plate discipline over a longer sample before promoting him.  (That's without mentioning his struggles on defense, too, although he could probably handle 2nd.)  His OBP (.341 last year across two levels) may not translate too well to the majors, and it's hard to say if he'd make enough contact to hit enough homers and doubles to make up for it.  There's no rush to get him up here, as I don't think they'll contend in 2014 either.  It'll be hard to send him down if he has another strong spring training though.

I also think Bryant is just about ready, more so than Baez, but he finished in High-A last year and again, there's no hurry.  He should definitely get an invitation to spring training, and if he rakes and looks solid in the field, I would be fine with him starting on Opening Day.

Both will come up after Super II day, sometime in early to mid-May.

You're probably right. But I feel like that's a small-market move that a team like the Cubs shouldn't have to make. In the abstract, at least.

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Re: Theo Epstein Sploosh Thread
« Reply #260 on: October 21, 2013, 04:12:11 PM »
Quote from: Eli on October 21, 2013, 03:06:50 PM
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Would you start Baez at SS, 2B, 3B?  And would you send him to Chicago in April regardless, or treat spring training as a tryout/gauge of readiness?

2B, I guess. And sure, maybe use spring training as a rough barometer. Give him some time in AAA if need be. especially if he needs some game reps at a new position.

I do think Bryant is ready and AAA would mostly be a waste of time.

I think Baez is really close but I'd probably wait to see improvement in plate discipline over a longer sample before promoting him.  (That's without mentioning his struggles on defense, too, although he could probably handle 2nd.)  His OBP (.341 last year across two levels) may not translate too well to the majors, and it's hard to say if he'd make enough contact to hit enough homers and doubles to make up for it.  There's no rush to get him up here, as I don't think they'll contend in 2014 either.  It'll be hard to send him down if he has another strong spring training though.

I also think Bryant is just about ready, more so than Baez, but he finished in High-A last year and again, there's no hurry.  He should definitely get an invitation to spring training, and if he rakes and looks solid in the field, I would be fine with him starting on Opening Day.

Both will come up after Super II day, sometime in early to mid-May.

You're probably right. But I feel like that's a small-market move that a team like the Cubs shouldn't have to make. In the abstract, at least.
That's not small market. That's cash flow management.  If knowing you are going to be an extra couple million ahead in 2016 gets you the flexibility to afford Scherzer now, you do it.

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Re: Theo Epstein Sploosh Thread
« Reply #261 on: October 21, 2013, 05:17:34 PM »
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 21, 2013, 04:12:11 PM
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 21, 2013, 11:38:02 AM
Would you start Baez at SS, 2B, 3B?  And would you send him to Chicago in April regardless, or treat spring training as a tryout/gauge of readiness?

2B, I guess. And sure, maybe use spring training as a rough barometer. Give him some time in AAA if need be. especially if he needs some game reps at a new position.

I do think Bryant is ready and AAA would mostly be a waste of time.

I think Baez is really close but I'd probably wait to see improvement in plate discipline over a longer sample before promoting him.  (That's without mentioning his struggles on defense, too, although he could probably handle 2nd.)  His OBP (.341 last year across two levels) may not translate too well to the majors, and it's hard to say if he'd make enough contact to hit enough homers and doubles to make up for it.  There's no rush to get him up here, as I don't think they'll contend in 2014 either.  It'll be hard to send him down if he has another strong spring training though.

I also think Bryant is just about ready, more so than Baez, but he finished in High-A last year and again, there's no hurry.  He should definitely get an invitation to spring training, and if he rakes and looks solid in the field, I would be fine with him starting on Opening Day.

Both will come up after Super II day, sometime in early to mid-May.

You're probably right. But I feel like that's a small-market move that a team like the Cubs shouldn't have to make. In the abstract, at least.
That's not small market. That's cash flow management.  If knowing you are going to be an extra couple million ahead in 2016 gets you the flexibility to afford Scherzer now, you do it.

Well, that's a big leap in thinking.

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Re: Theo Epstein Sploosh Thread
« Reply #262 on: October 21, 2013, 08:25:17 PM »
Quote from: Eli on October 21, 2013, 05:17:34 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 21, 2013, 04:12:11 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 21, 2013, 03:06:50 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 21, 2013, 02:00:28 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 21, 2013, 11:57:15 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 21, 2013, 11:47:47 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 21, 2013, 11:38:02 AM
Would you start Baez at SS, 2B, 3B?  And would you send him to Chicago in April regardless, or treat spring training as a tryout/gauge of readiness?

2B, I guess. And sure, maybe use spring training as a rough barometer. Give him some time in AAA if need be. especially if he needs some game reps at a new position.

I do think Bryant is ready and AAA would mostly be a waste of time.

I think Baez is really close but I'd probably wait to see improvement in plate discipline over a longer sample before promoting him.  (That's without mentioning his struggles on defense, too, although he could probably handle 2nd.)  His OBP (.341 last year across two levels) may not translate too well to the majors, and it's hard to say if he'd make enough contact to hit enough homers and doubles to make up for it.  There's no rush to get him up here, as I don't think they'll contend in 2014 either.  It'll be hard to send him down if he has another strong spring training though.

I also think Bryant is just about ready, more so than Baez, but he finished in High-A last year and again, there's no hurry.  He should definitely get an invitation to spring training, and if he rakes and looks solid in the field, I would be fine with him starting on Opening Day.

Both will come up after Super II day, sometime in early to mid-May.

You're probably right. But I feel like that's a small-market move that a team like the Cubs shouldn't have to make. In the abstract, at least.
That's not small market. That's cash flow management.  If knowing you are going to be an extra couple million ahead in 2016 gets you the flexibility to afford Scherzer now, you do it.

Well, that's a big leap in thinking.

Well, that's just what Chuck provides.  You need a big thinker to get both Cano and Scherzer on the payroll.
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Re: Theo Epstein Sploosh Thread
« Reply #263 on: October 21, 2013, 08:40:13 PM »
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 21, 2013, 02:00:28 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 21, 2013, 11:57:15 AM
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 21, 2013, 11:38:02 AM
Would you start Baez at SS, 2B, 3B?  And would you send him to Chicago in April regardless, or treat spring training as a tryout/gauge of readiness?

2B, I guess. And sure, maybe use spring training as a rough barometer. Give him some time in AAA if need be. especially if he needs some game reps at a new position.

I do think Bryant is ready and AAA would mostly be a waste of time.

I think Baez is really close but I'd probably wait to see improvement in plate discipline over a longer sample before promoting him.  (That's without mentioning his struggles on defense, too, although he could probably handle 2nd.)  His OBP (.341 last year across two levels) may not translate too well to the majors, and it's hard to say if he'd make enough contact to hit enough homers and doubles to make up for it.  There's no rush to get him up here, as I don't think they'll contend in 2014 either.  It'll be hard to send him down if he has another strong spring training though.

I also think Bryant is just about ready, more so than Baez, but he finished in High-A last year and again, there's no hurry.  He should definitely get an invitation to spring training, and if he rakes and looks solid in the field, I would be fine with him starting on Opening Day.

Both will come up after Super II day, sometime in early to mid-May.

I can see the Cubs being willing to accept an extra year of arbitration if they want the immediate talent infusion and also if they think promoting him to the majors is the only way to figure out if he's a 3B, OF, or 1B.  Recent signings are putting a real damper on 1B value, especially in long-term deals.  (Pujols, yikes.)  If they like what they see, they can plug him into 3B or the OF and immediately try to get a team-friendly extension done, maybe trading a few of those years of arbitration for a reasonable guaranteed salary and generous signing bonus.  OTOH, if they think he's limited to 1B, they can either keep Rizzo and trade Bryant for immediate pitching help (Price?) or do the same but reverse the names.

Then again, May to September would also be a fine sample to figure out if he can play somewhere other than 1B.

I guess what I'm saying is let's just see how it all plays out.
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Re: Theo Epstein Sploosh Thread
« Reply #264 on: October 23, 2013, 09:46:01 AM »
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 21, 2013, 08:40:13 PM
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Would you start Baez at SS, 2B, 3B?  And would you send him to Chicago in April regardless, or treat spring training as a tryout/gauge of readiness?

2B, I guess. And sure, maybe use spring training as a rough barometer. Give him some time in AAA if need be. especially if he needs some game reps at a new position.

I do think Bryant is ready and AAA would mostly be a waste of time.

I think Baez is really close but I'd probably wait to see improvement in plate discipline over a longer sample before promoting him.  (That's without mentioning his struggles on defense, too, although he could probably handle 2nd.)  His OBP (.341 last year across two levels) may not translate too well to the majors, and it's hard to say if he'd make enough contact to hit enough homers and doubles to make up for it.  There's no rush to get him up here, as I don't think they'll contend in 2014 either.  It'll be hard to send him down if he has another strong spring training though.

I also think Bryant is just about ready, more so than Baez, but he finished in High-A last year and again, there's no hurry.  He should definitely get an invitation to spring training, and if he rakes and looks solid in the field, I would be fine with him starting on Opening Day.

Both will come up after Super II day, sometime in early to mid-May.

I can see the Cubs being willing to accept an extra year of arbitration if they want the immediate talent infusion and also if they think promoting him to the majors is the only way to figure out if he's a 3B, OF, or 1B.  Recent signings are putting a real damper on 1B value, especially in long-term deals.  (Pujols, yikes.)  If they like what they see, they can plug him into 3B or the OF and immediately try to get a team-friendly extension done, maybe trading a few of those years of arbitration for a reasonable guaranteed salary and generous signing bonus.  OTOH, if they think he's limited to 1B, they can either keep Rizzo and trade Bryant for immediate pitching help (Price?) or do the same but reverse the names.

Then again, May to September would also be a fine sample to figure out if he can play somewhere other than 1B.

I guess what I'm saying is let's just see how it all plays out.

If MIKE OLT! has his vision issues sorted out, that could take 3B out of the discussion.
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Re: Theo Epstein Sploosh Thread
« Reply #265 on: October 23, 2013, 10:25:26 AM »
Quote from: Fork on October 23, 2013, 09:46:01 AM
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Would you start Baez at SS, 2B, 3B?  And would you send him to Chicago in April regardless, or treat spring training as a tryout/gauge of readiness?

2B, I guess. And sure, maybe use spring training as a rough barometer. Give him some time in AAA if need be. especially if he needs some game reps at a new position.

I do think Bryant is ready and AAA would mostly be a waste of time.

I think Baez is really close but I'd probably wait to see improvement in plate discipline over a longer sample before promoting him.  (That's without mentioning his struggles on defense, too, although he could probably handle 2nd.)  His OBP (.341 last year across two levels) may not translate too well to the majors, and it's hard to say if he'd make enough contact to hit enough homers and doubles to make up for it.  There's no rush to get him up here, as I don't think they'll contend in 2014 either.  It'll be hard to send him down if he has another strong spring training though.

I also think Bryant is just about ready, more so than Baez, but he finished in High-A last year and again, there's no hurry.  He should definitely get an invitation to spring training, and if he rakes and looks solid in the field, I would be fine with him starting on Opening Day.

Both will come up after Super II day, sometime in early to mid-May.

I can see the Cubs being willing to accept an extra year of arbitration if they want the immediate talent infusion and also if they think promoting him to the majors is the only way to figure out if he's a 3B, OF, or 1B.  Recent signings are putting a real damper on 1B value, especially in long-term deals.  (Pujols, yikes.)  If they like what they see, they can plug him into 3B or the OF and immediately try to get a team-friendly extension done, maybe trading a few of those years of arbitration for a reasonable guaranteed salary and generous signing bonus.  OTOH, if they think he's limited to 1B, they can either keep Rizzo and trade Bryant for immediate pitching help (Price?) or do the same but reverse the names.

Then again, May to September would also be a fine sample to figure out if he can play somewhere other than 1B.

I guess what I'm saying is let's just see how it all plays out.

If MIKE OLT! has his vision issues sorted out, that could take 3B out of the discussion.

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Re: Theo Epstein Sploosh Thread
« Reply #266 on: October 23, 2013, 10:47:45 AM »
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Re: Theo Epstein Sploosh Thread
« Reply #267 on: October 23, 2013, 10:50:43 AM »
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Re: Theo Epstein Sploosh Thread
« Reply #268 on: October 23, 2013, 10:53:49 AM »
Mike Olt.

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Re: Theo Epstein Sploosh Thread
« Reply #269 on: October 23, 2013, 11:02:46 AM »
Loor and I came acrossks like opatoets.