Currently pwning the Florida State League (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=546991) as if they were a bunch of Yetis.
Don't get me wrong, .360/.360/.440 is very good, but it's not exactly pwnage. Also, although he's absolutely battering lefties (OPS of 2.000!), his line against righties is, as you might expect, less... well, pwn-ey: .167/.167/.167. All of this, clearly, has to be qualified with a big, fat, small sample size warning: but then, so does your original assertion.
So, all in all... meh. I ain't worried, but I ain't blown away, either.
BUMP for another homer, this one in the first inning of today's game.
He's now 20 for his last 44 and has a hit in 14 of his last 15 games.
Last 10 games:
.442/.478/.628
And, oh yeah...he just turned 20 a few months ago.
But hey...
Quote from: Eli
Hopefully he's able to get back on the path of being a solid 4th outfielder on a really good team.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 07, 2014, 04:21:38 PM
BUMP for another homer, this one in the first inning of today's game.
He's now 20 for his last 44 and has a hit in 14 of his last 15 games.
Last 10 games:
.442/.478/.628
And, oh yeah...he just turned 20 a few months ago.
But hey...
Quote from: Eli
Hopefully he's able to get back on the path of being a solid 4th outfielder on a really good team.
In 2016, the Cubs will be a really good team. And they'll need a 4th outfielder. Boner. Time.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 07, 2014, 04:38:27 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 07, 2014, 04:21:38 PM
BUMP for another homer, this one in the first inning of today's game.
He's now 20 for his last 44 and has a hit in 14 of his last 15 games.
Last 10 games:
.442/.478/.628
And, oh yeah...he just turned 20 a few months ago.
But hey...
Quote from: Eli
Hopefully he's able to get back on the path of being a solid 4th outfielder on a really good team.
In 2016, the Cubs will be a really good team. And they'll need a 4th outfielder. Boner. Time.
TO BAD THERE ONYL GONNA HAVE A FORTH SHORTSTOP
Quote from: InternetApex on July 07, 2014, 04:38:27 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 07, 2014, 04:21:38 PM
BUMP for another homer, this one in the first inning of today's game.
He's now 20 for his last 44 and has a hit in 14 of his last 15 games.
Last 10 games:
.442/.478/.628
And, oh yeah...he just turned 20 a few months ago.
But hey...
Quote from: Eli
Hopefully he's able to get back on the path of being a solid 4th outfielder on a really good team.
In 2016, the Cubs will be a really good team. And they'll need a 4th outfielder. Boner. Time.
EXACTLY. And this poor man's Melky Cabrera will be just the ticket.
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 05:43:12 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 07, 2014, 04:38:27 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 07, 2014, 04:21:38 PM
BUMP for another homer, this one in the first inning of today's game.
He's now 20 for his last 44 and has a hit in 14 of his last 15 games.
Last 10 games:
.442/.478/.628
And, oh yeah...he just turned 20 a few months ago.
But hey...
Quote from: Eli
Hopefully he's able to get back on the path of being a solid 4th outfielder on a really good team.
In 2016, the Cubs will be a really good team. And they'll need a 4th outfielder. Boner. Time.
EXACTLY. And this poor man's Melky Cabrera will be just the ticket.
Assuming his glove and speed are as good as advertised, I'd definitely take a "poor man's Melky Cabrera" at the plate.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 07, 2014, 08:05:51 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 05:43:12 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 07, 2014, 04:38:27 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 07, 2014, 04:21:38 PM
BUMP for another homer, this one in the first inning of today's game.
He's now 20 for his last 44 and has a hit in 14 of his last 15 games.
Last 10 games:
.442/.478/.628
And, oh yeah...he just turned 20 a few months ago.
But hey...
Quote from: Eli
Hopefully he's able to get back on the path of being a solid 4th outfielder on a really good team.
In 2016, the Cubs will be a really good team. And they'll need a 4th outfielder. Boner. Time.
EXACTLY. And this poor man's Melky Cabrera will be just the ticket.
Assuming his glove and speed are as good as advertised, I'd definitely take a "poor man's Melky Cabrera" at the plate.
Another homer! FYE
Quote from: ChuckD on July 07, 2014, 08:05:51 PM
Assuming his glove and speed are as good as advertised, I'd definitely take a "poor man's Melky Cabrera" at the plate.
I don't think he's all that speedy, right? Just 15 career stolen bases (with 9 times caught).
I also wouldn't really mind a lesser version of Melky as an outcome. I don't actually think Almora will outright
suck, but I just don't find him that interesting. Maybe he'd be more exciting in a different team's system, but there are a good 6-7 guys now with way more upside. On the plus side, sounds like they grabbed a backup version of Almora with McKinney, so hopefully one can pan out as a solid OF option.
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 09:00:21 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 07, 2014, 08:05:51 PM
Assuming his glove and speed are as good as advertised, I'd definitely take a "poor man's Melky Cabrera" at the plate.
I don't think he's all that speedy, right? Just 15 career stolen bases (with 9 times caught).
I also wouldn't really mind a lesser version of Melky as an outcome. I don't actually think Almora will outright suck, but I just don't find him that interesting. Maybe he'd be more exciting in a different team's system, but there are a good 6-7 guys now with way more upside. On the plus side, sounds like they grabbed a backup version of Almora with McKinney, so hopefully one can pan out as a solid OF option.
Speed doesn't necessarily mean SBs. That's a bit of a different skillset.
He's not Hamilton-esque, but Almora's a 50-60+ guy in terms of his legs from what I've read. Good for grabbing the extra base and getting to stuff in the gap (which I suppose you can consider under "Glove"). Which is to say, it's definitely an improvement over "poor man's Melky Cabrera."
Quote from: ChuckD on July 07, 2014, 09:17:39 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 09:00:21 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 07, 2014, 08:05:51 PM
Assuming his glove and speed are as good as advertised, I'd definitely take a "poor man's Melky Cabrera" at the plate.
I don't think he's all that speedy, right? Just 15 career stolen bases (with 9 times caught).
I also wouldn't really mind a lesser version of Melky as an outcome. I don't actually think Almora will outright suck, but I just don't find him that interesting. Maybe he'd be more exciting in a different team's system, but there are a good 6-7 guys now with way more upside. On the plus side, sounds like they grabbed a backup version of Almora with McKinney, so hopefully one can pan out as a solid OF option.
Speed doesn't necessarily mean SBs. That's a bit of a different skillset.
He's not Hamilton-esque, but Almora's a 50-60+ guy in terms of his legs from what I've read. Good for grabbing the extra base and getting to stuff in the gap (which I suppose you can consider under "Glove"). Which is to say, it's definitely an improvement over "poor man's Melky Cabrera."
The switch-hitting costs extra.
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 09:00:21 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 07, 2014, 08:05:51 PM
Assuming his glove and speed are as good as advertised, I'd definitely take a "poor man's Melky Cabrera" at the plate.
I don't think he's all that speedy, right? Just 15 career stolen bases (with 9 times caught).
I also wouldn't really mind a lesser version of Melky as an outcome. I don't actually think Almora will outright suck, but I just don't find him that interesting. Maybe he'd be more exciting in a different team's system, but there are a good 6-7 guys now with way more upside. On the plus side, sounds like they grabbed a backup version of Almora with McKinney, so hopefully one can pan out as a solid OF option.
...or in pretty much any Cubs' farm system from the last... oh, eighty years or so. Had Almora been around in the McFail/Hendry days, we'd all have been wanking our balls flat over him. That we're playing hard to get is purely a reflection of how good the Cubs' farm is now.
I have a raging stiffy and it simply won't go away. I'm starting to worry about gangrene.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 07, 2014, 09:17:39 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 09:00:21 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 07, 2014, 08:05:51 PM
Assuming his glove and speed are as good as advertised, I'd definitely take a "poor man's Melky Cabrera" at the plate.
I don't think he's all that speedy, right? Just 15 career stolen bases (with 9 times caught).
I also wouldn't really mind a lesser version of Melky as an outcome. I don't actually think Almora will outright suck, but I just don't find him that interesting. Maybe he'd be more exciting in a different team's system, but there are a good 6-7 guys now with way more upside. On the plus side, sounds like they grabbed a backup version of Almora with McKinney, so hopefully one can pan out as a solid OF option.
Speed doesn't necessarily mean SBs. That's a bit of a different skillset.
He's not Hamilton-esque, but Almora's a 50-60+ guy in terms of his legs from what I've read. Good for grabbing the extra base and getting to stuff in the gap (which I suppose you can consider under "Glove"). Which is to say, it's definitely an improvement over "poor man's Melky Cabrera."
He covers an awful lot of ground out in CF. He's had to, since he still hasn't played with any corner OFs who look like future major leaguers yet.
Already 2-2 today (early game since they're playing a DH after getting rained out yesterday.)
The resurgence continues!
pwnage reengaged.
And a 5 for 7 cycle night for Albert.
Currently 306/398/704 for the season, thanks to going 383/541/924 since the all-star game.
Boner.
Quote from: Fork on July 21, 2014, 12:30:39 PM
Currently 306/398/704 for the season, thanks to going 383/541/924 since the all-star game.
Boner.
So, we're just removing Batting Average entirely from the slash line now?
You fucking hipster.
Bump for a 13 game hitting streak.
He's going to look great covering that cavernous center field at Petco next year after being dealt for Tyson Ross.
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2015, 09:29:46 AM
He's going to look great covering that cavernous center field at Petco next year after being dealt for Tyson Ross.
He and Starlin can enjoy those delicious San Diego burritos and maybe room together in a sweet cottage on Coronado.
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2015, 09:29:46 AM
He's going to look great covering that cavernous center field at Petco next year after being dealt for Tyson Ross.
I'd take that in a heartbeat.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 17, 2015, 01:07:07 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2015, 09:29:46 AM
He's going to look great covering that cavernous center field at Petco next year after being dealt for Tyson Ross.
I'd take that in a heartbeat.
So would I. I can't imagine any scenario where the Cubs hand him the keys to CF in 2016. I'm kind of back on board with hoping Fowler accepts a modest extension as a bridge to whomever the CF in late 2017-2018 may be. Hopefully either Ian Happ or Eddy Julio Martinez. In the meanwhile, Almora is probably best off hitting his way back to being a trade chip and getting moved to a team that can afford to wait for him to develop if he takes as long to catch up to AAA and then ML pitching as he did to master AA.
Wondering what a Baez, Almora, Castro package could get the Cubs.
Quote from: Slaky on August 18, 2015, 08:50:19 AM
Wondering what a Baez, Almora, Castro package could get the Cubs.
Matt Garza.
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Wondering what a Baez, Almora, Castro package could get the Cubs.
Matt Garza.
Chase Utley
If RAJ wouldn't consider something along the lines of receiving Castro and Vogelbach while the Cubs take the remainder of Utley's salary off his hands then he go take a flying fuck.
Quote from: PANK! on August 18, 2015, 09:08:51 AM
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Quote from: Slaky on August 18, 2015, 08:50:19 AM
Wondering what a Baez, Almora, Castro package could get the Cubs.
Matt Garza.
Chase Utley
If RAJ wouldn't consider something along the lines of receiving Castro and Vogelbach while the Cubs take the remainder of Utley's salary off his hands then he go take a flying fuck.
that would be a significant overpay for Chase Utley's bloated, expensive corpse. Especially since I don't think his option for 2016 will vest, so you're paying for a month of the guy. That said if the Phillies really would take Castro's contract for the low, low price of eating a month of Utley's deal, SOLD.
Quote from: SKO on August 18, 2015, 09:11:46 AM
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Wondering what a Baez, Almora, Castro package could get the Cubs.
Matt Garza.
Chase Utley
If RAJ wouldn't consider something along the lines of receiving Castro and Vogelbach while the Cubs take the remainder of Utley's salary off his hands then he go take a flying fuck.
that would be a significant overpay for Chase Utley's bloated, expensive corpse. Especially since I don't think his option for 2016 will vest, so you're paying for a month of the guy. That said if the Phillies really would take Castro's contract for the low, low price of eating a month of Utley's deal, SOLD.
The corpse is very much alive: .500/.500/.808/1.308 with only 3 Ks in 26 PAs since returning from injury.
And, yes, if the Cubs could unload Castro's future $41.4 million by taking on $6.6 million of Utley's salary/exit payment, you charter the planes in each direction.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2015, 09:35:33 AM
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Quote from: Slaky on August 18, 2015, 08:50:19 AM
Wondering what a Baez, Almora, Castro package could get the Cubs.
Matt Garza.
Chase Utley
If RAJ wouldn't consider something along the lines of receiving Castro and Vogelbach while the Cubs take the remainder of Utley's salary off his hands then he go take a flying fuck.
that would be a significant overpay for Chase Utley's bloated, expensive corpse. Especially since I don't think his option for 2016 will vest, so you're paying for a month of the guy. That said if the Phillies really would take Castro's contract for the low, low price of eating a month of Utley's deal, SOLD.
The corpse is very much alive: .500/.500/.808/1.308 with only 3 Ks in 26 PAs since returning from injury.
And, yes, if the Cubs could unload Castro's future $41.4 million by taking on $6.6 million of Utley's salary/exit payment, you charter the planes in each direction.
Doesn't matter, since Amaro says he's likely to stay with the Phillies the rest of the year anyway. Wonder if Amaro is to blame for that or if Utley went full Dempster on him.
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2015, 01:17:07 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 17, 2015, 01:07:07 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2015, 09:29:46 AM
He's going to look great covering that cavernous center field at Petco next year after being dealt for Tyson Ross.
I'd take that in a heartbeat.
So would I. I can't imagine any scenario where the Cubs hand him the keys to CF in 2016. I'm kind of back on board with hoping Fowler accepts a modest extension as a bridge to whomever the CF in late 2017-2018 may be. Hopefully either Ian Happ or Eddy Julio Martinez. In the meanwhile, Almora is probably best off hitting his way back to being a trade chip and getting moved to a team that can afford to wait for him to develop if he takes as long to catch up to AAA and then ML pitching as he did to master AA.
If he's still in the organization, he gets at least all of 2016 in Iowa. He's still only going to be 22 next season, and there's nothing about his bat that indicates he should make the jump from AA to the bigs.
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Quote from: Slaky on August 18, 2015, 08:50:19 AM
Wondering what a Baez, Almora, Castro package could get the Cubs.
Matt Garza.
Chase Utley
If RAJ wouldn't consider something along the lines of receiving Castro and Vogelbach while the Cubs take the remainder of Utley's salary off his hands then he go take a flying fuck.
that would be a significant overpay for Chase Utley's bloated, expensive corpse. Especially since I don't think his option for 2016 will vest, so you're paying for a month of the guy. That said if the Phillies really would take Castro's contract for the low, low price of eating a month of Utley's deal, SOLD.
The corpse is very much alive: .500/.500/.808/1.308 with only 3 Ks in 26 PAs since returning from injury.
And, yes, if the Cubs could unload Castro's future $41.4 million by taking on $6.6 million of Utley's salary/exit payment, you charter the planes in each direction.
Doesn't matter, since Amaro says he's likely to stay with the Phillies the rest of the year anyway. Wonder if Amaro is to blame for that or if Utley went full Dempster on him.
"Full Dempster": Get traded. Give your new team .3 bWAR (1.0 fWAR). The guy you were traded for has put up 4.0 bWAR (3.6fWAR) in 2 seasons.
Speaking of, time for a Randall Delgado update! In that same timeframe, he has put up less than 1.0 WAR no matter which site you use. He has a nice, shiny 2.79 ERA but has a 4.11 xFIP. That player the Cubs had to settle for has a 3.43 xFIP. Way to fuck the Cubs, Demp!
Quote from: Slaky on August 18, 2015, 08:50:19 AM
Wondering what a Baez, Almora, Castro package could get the Cubs.
With that package, I think their target would be a player like Tyson Ross. Whether that's too much or too little depends on how you feel about Castro's value, I guess.
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Quote from: Slaky on August 18, 2015, 08:50:19 AM
Wondering what a Baez, Almora, Castro package could get the Cubs.
Matt Garza.
Chase Utley
If RAJ wouldn't consider something along the lines of receiving Castro and Vogelbach while the Cubs take the remainder of Utley's salary off his hands then he go take a flying fuck.
that would be a significant overpay for Chase Utley's bloated, expensive corpse. Especially since I don't think his option for 2016 will vest, so you're paying for a month of the guy. That said if the Phillies really would take Castro's contract for the low, low price of eating a month of Utley's deal, SOLD.
The corpse is very much alive: .500/.500/.808/1.308 with only 3 Ks in 26 PAs since returning from injury.
And, yes, if the Cubs could unload Castro's future $41.4 million by taking on $6.6 million of Utley's salary/exit payment, you charter the planes in each direction.
Doesn't matter, since Amaro says he's likely to stay with the Phillies the rest of the year anyway. Wonder if Amaro is to blame for that or if Utley went full Dempster on him.
"Full Dempster": Get traded. Give your new team .3 bWAR (1.0 fWAR). The guy you were traded for has put up 4.0 bWAR (3.6fWAR) in 2 seasons.
Speaking of, time for a Randall Delgado update! In that same timeframe, he has put up less than 1.0 WAR no matter which site you use. He has a nice, shiny 2.79 ERA but has a 4.11 xFIP. That player the Cubs had to settle for has a 3.43 xFIP. Way to fuck the Cubs, Demp!
Hey, contrarian Yeti, I get that the Dempster thing worked out for the Cubs. That doesn't make it unsuitable to the comparison I was making, which was "veteran player refuses to be traded unless his conditions are met."
Quote from: SKO on August 18, 2015, 10:40:52 AM
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Quote from: Slaky on August 18, 2015, 08:50:19 AM
Wondering what a Baez, Almora, Castro package could get the Cubs.
Matt Garza.
Chase Utley
If RAJ wouldn't consider something along the lines of receiving Castro and Vogelbach while the Cubs take the remainder of Utley's salary off his hands then he go take a flying fuck.
that would be a significant overpay for Chase Utley's bloated, expensive corpse. Especially since I don't think his option for 2016 will vest, so you're paying for a month of the guy. That said if the Phillies really would take Castro's contract for the low, low price of eating a month of Utley's deal, SOLD.
The corpse is very much alive: .500/.500/.808/1.308 with only 3 Ks in 26 PAs since returning from injury.
And, yes, if the Cubs could unload Castro's future $41.4 million by taking on $6.6 million of Utley's salary/exit payment, you charter the planes in each direction.
Doesn't matter, since Amaro says he's likely to stay with the Phillies the rest of the year anyway. Wonder if Amaro is to blame for that or if Utley went full Dempster on him.
"Full Dempster": Get traded. Give your new team .3 bWAR (1.0 fWAR). The guy you were traded for has put up 4.0 bWAR (3.6fWAR) in 2 seasons.
Speaking of, time for a Randall Delgado update! In that same timeframe, he has put up less than 1.0 WAR no matter which site you use. He has a nice, shiny 2.79 ERA but has a 4.11 xFIP. That player the Cubs had to settle for has a 3.43 xFIP. Way to fuck the Cubs, Demp!
Hey, contrarian Yeti, I get that the Dempster thing worked out for the Cubs. That doesn't make it unsuitable to the comparison I was making, which was "veteran player refuses to be traded unless his conditions are met."
You are correct. But as the resident "He wasn't so bad" guy, it was a reflex reaction
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Wondering what a Baez, Almora, Castro package could get the Cubs.
Matt Garza.
Chase Utley
If RAJ wouldn't consider something along the lines of receiving Castro and Vogelbach while the Cubs take the remainder of Utley's salary off his hands then he go take a flying fuck.
that would be a significant overpay for Chase Utley's bloated, expensive corpse. Especially since I don't think his option for 2016 will vest, so you're paying for a month of the guy. That said if the Phillies really would take Castro's contract for the low, low price of eating a month of Utley's deal, SOLD.
The corpse is very much alive: .500/.500/.808/1.308 with only 3 Ks in 26 PAs since returning from injury.
And, yes, if the Cubs could unload Castro's future $41.4 million by taking on $6.6 million of Utley's salary/exit payment, you charter the planes in each direction.
Doesn't matter, since Amaro says he's likely to stay with the Phillies the rest of the year anyway. Wonder if Amaro is to blame for that or if Utley went full Dempster on him.
"Full Dempster": Get traded. Give your new team .3 bWAR (1.0 fWAR). The guy you were traded for has put up 4.0 bWAR (3.6fWAR) in 2 seasons.
Speaking of, time for a Randall Delgado update! In that same timeframe, he has put up less than 1.0 WAR no matter which site you use. He has a nice, shiny 2.79 ERA but has a 4.11 xFIP. That player the Cubs had to settle for has a 3.43 xFIP. Way to fuck the Cubs, Demp!
Hey, contrarian Yeti, I get that the Dempster thing worked out for the Cubs. That doesn't make it unsuitable to the comparison I was making, which was "veteran player refuses to be traded unless his conditions are met."
You are correct. But as the resident "He wasn't so bad" guy, it was a reflex reaction
It was very good that they didn't did the trade. It's just still my most prominent example of a guy with 10/5 rights ensuring that a trade didn't get did.
Sounds like it was a perfect storm of Amaro wanting teams to take on the full salary and/or provide too good of a prospect plus Utley's refusal to go to any team that wouldn't guarantee him a full time starting job that killed all of the deals. The Dodgers naturally want someone to fill in for Kendrick while he's hurt, not replace him. Same goes for the Giants and Panik, and the Cubs probably didn't want to promise the spot to Utley when any combination of Coghlan/Baez/La Stella/Castro may end up being the better play.
Wouldn't a better comp for the refuse-trade/eventual-trade scenario be McGriff?
Quote from: Oleg on August 18, 2015, 10:51:23 AM
Wouldn't a better comp for the refuse-trade/eventual-trade scenario be McGriff?
yeah but I was like 11 at the time and I don't really remember the particulars of that one.
Quote from: Oleg on August 18, 2015, 10:51:23 AM
Wouldn't a better comp for the refuse-trade/eventual-trade scenario be McGriff?
Rick Aguilera kinda pulled the same shit in 1999.
Quote from: PANK! on August 18, 2015, 11:31:34 AM
Quote from: Oleg on August 18, 2015, 10:51:23 AM
Wouldn't a better comp for the refuse-trade/eventual-trade scenario be McGriff?
Rick Aguilera kinda pulled the same shit in 1999.
I think Derrick Lee refused a trade to the Angels before later accepting one to the Braves. Regardless, Dempster stuck out since it was recent and highly publicized.
Quote from: SKO on August 18, 2015, 11:33:07 AM
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Quote from: Oleg on August 18, 2015, 10:51:23 AM
Wouldn't a better comp for the refuse-trade/eventual-trade scenario be McGriff?
Rick Aguilera kinda pulled the same shit in 1999.
I think Derrick Lee refused a trade to the Angels before later accepting one to the Braves. Regardless, Dempster stuck out since it was recent and highly publicized.
And there is that hatred of Dempster that permeates here. We wanted to have Derrick's babies, so his refusal was easier to forgive.
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Quote from: SKO on August 18, 2015, 11:33:07 AM
Quote from: PANK! on August 18, 2015, 11:31:34 AM
Quote from: Oleg on August 18, 2015, 10:51:23 AM
Wouldn't a better comp for the refuse-trade/eventual-trade scenario be McGriff?
Rick Aguilera kinda pulled the same shit in 1999.
I think Derrick Lee refused a trade to the Angels before later accepting one to the Braves. Regardless, Dempster stuck out since it was recent and highly publicized.
And there is that hatred of Dempster that permeates here. We wanted to have Derrick's babies, so his refusal was easier to forgive.
Also Derrick was injured and terrible and was eventually traded for Braves flotsam instead of Angels flotsam, whereas Dempster refused a trade for a top pitching prospect that we thought we needed badly. The rage at Dempster was justified, and the fact that it turned out to be a blessing in disguise for the franchise shouldn't really abate anyone's rage at him needing Ned Colleti to check "no" on his "Do you like me?" note before agreeing to a deal.
DPD. It's fucking "Derrek". Not sure why I have such a hard time remembering how it was spelled given that he was my favorite Cub ever. Shame on me.
Quote from: SKO on August 18, 2015, 11:46:42 AM
DPD. It's fucking "Derrek". Not sure why I have such a hard time remembering how it was spelled given that he was my favorite Cub ever. Shame on me.
I think there are too many fucking variations of that name. All their parents are turds for not getting together on it and saving us all the headaches.
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Quote from: SKO on August 18, 2015, 11:46:42 AM
DPD. It's fucking "Derrek". Not sure why I have such a hard time remembering how it was spelled given that he was my favorite Cub ever. Shame on me.
I think there are too many fucking variations of that name. All their parents are turds for not getting together on it and saving us all the headaches.
Fucking Derrick Rose has wrecked everything again.
Just Derek, people. One R, two Es, no fucking Is.
Quote from: SKO on August 18, 2015, 12:20:41 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 18, 2015, 12:19:12 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 18, 2015, 11:46:42 AM
DPD. It's fucking "Derrek". Not sure why I have such a hard time remembering how it was spelled given that he was my favorite Cub ever. Shame on me.
I think there are too many fucking variations of that name. All their parents are turds for not getting together on it and saving us all the headaches.
Fucking Derrick Rose has wrecked everything again.
Just Derek, people. One R, two Es, no fucking Is.
Deryck or GTFO
I can't believe this thread exists.
Quote from: Slaky on August 18, 2015, 02:00:42 PM
I can't believe this thread exists.
Well, I mean, you saw who started it, right?
Quote from: SKO on August 18, 2015, 11:46:42 AM
DPD. It's fucking "Derrek". Not sure why I have such a hard time remembering how it was spelled given that he was my favorite Cub ever. Shame on me.
I was just reminded that the last Cubs 1B to have never made an All-Star was Eric Karros. That includes the guy who was the bridge from Lee to Rizzo.
Quote from: SKO on August 18, 2015, 11:46:42 AM
DPD. It's fucking "Derrek". Not sure why I have such a hard time remembering how it was spelled given that he was my favorite Cub ever. Shame on me.
That really sucks. There are so many better Cubs and you have to have him be your favorite...
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2015, 04:02:00 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 18, 2015, 11:46:42 AM
DPD. It's fucking "Derrek". Not sure why I have such a hard time remembering how it was spelled given that he was my favorite Cub ever. Shame on me.
That really sucks. There are so many better Cubs and you have to have him be your favorite...
He's been supplanted by Rizzo
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2015, 04:02:00 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 18, 2015, 11:46:42 AM
DPD. It's fucking "Derrek". Not sure why I have such a hard time remembering how it was spelled given that he was my favorite Cub ever. Shame on me.
That really sucks. There are so many better Cubs and you have to have him be your favorite...
Nothing wrong with that at all. Better than the unfortunate bastards who have Greg Maddux as their favorite Cub ever. Those people must have terrible sex with each other about once every five years.
Quote from: InternetApex on August 18, 2015, 04:17:06 PM
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Quote from: SKO on August 18, 2015, 11:46:42 AM
DPD. It's fucking "Derrek". Not sure why I have such a hard time remembering how it was spelled given that he was my favorite Cub ever. Shame on me.
That really sucks. There are so many better Cubs and you have to have him be your favorite...
Nothing wrong with that at all. Better than the unfortunate bastards who have Greg Maddux as their favorite Cub ever. Those people must have terrible sex with each other about once every five years.
Not every Jewish person has Maddux as their fave...
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2015, 04:18:04 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 18, 2015, 04:17:06 PM
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Quote from: SKO on August 18, 2015, 11:46:42 AM
DPD. It's fucking "Derrek". Not sure why I have such a hard time remembering how it was spelled given that he was my favorite Cub ever. Shame on me.
That really sucks. There are so many better Cubs and you have to have him be your favorite...
Nothing wrong with that at all. Better than the unfortunate bastards who have Greg Maddux as their favorite Cub ever. Those people must have terrible sex with each other about once every five years.
Not every Jewish person has Maddux as their fave...
Some are old enough to remember Ken Holtzman.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2015, 04:02:00 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 18, 2015, 11:46:42 AM
DPD. It's fucking "Derrek". Not sure why I have such a hard time remembering how it was spelled given that he was my favorite Cub ever. Shame on me.
That really sucks. There are so many better Cubs and you have to have him be your favorite...
Typical Internet Chuck. Nothing wrong with having Derrek Lee, who let's not forget was unquestionably the balls (or the co-balls, with Aramis) for a significant length of time as someone's favorite. (Misspelling his first name, though, is a serious offense. "Ryan" Sandberg nods in agreement.) Your favorite player is more of a function of your date of birth than how relatively good the player is to other players anyway.
In short: No, Chuck.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 18, 2015, 04:36:11 PM
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Quote from: SKO on August 18, 2015, 11:46:42 AM
DPD. It's fucking "Derrek". Not sure why I have such a hard time remembering how it was spelled given that he was my favorite Cub ever. Shame on me.
That really sucks. There are so many better Cubs and you have to have him be your favorite...
Typical Internet Chuck. Nothing wrong with having Derrek Lee, who let's not forget was unquestionably the balls (or the co-balls, with Aramis) for a significant length of time as someone's favorite. (Misspelling his first name, though, is a serious offense. "Ryan" Sandberg nods in agreement.) Your favorite player is more of a function of your date of birth than how relatively good the player is to other players anyway.
In short: No, Chuck.
I didn't want to give him the opportunity to tell us his petty and stupid reasons for not liking Derrek Lee
Fuck Dempster.
Quote from: Tony on August 18, 2015, 05:56:10 PM
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Fuck Dempster.
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Fuck you.
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JOKE ABOUT YETI BEING A PEDERAST.
In August, Almora has hitting streaks of 13 and 11 games.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 31, 2015, 09:00:29 AM
In August, Almora has hitting streaks of 13 and 11 games.
Season line is up to .274/.326/.399/.725. If his defense is as good as advertised in center and he can find a way to put up that line at the major league level that'd be pretty sweet.
Quote from: SKO on August 31, 2015, 09:14:28 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 31, 2015, 09:00:29 AM
In August, Almora has hitting streaks of 13 and 11 games.
Season line is up to .274/.326/.399/.725. If his defense is as good as advertised in center and he can find a way to put up that line at the major league level that'd be pretty sweet.
He's still gotta be at least a year away right?
Quote from: Slaky on August 31, 2015, 10:06:44 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 31, 2015, 09:14:28 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 31, 2015, 09:00:29 AM
In August, Almora has hitting streaks of 13 and 11 games.
Season line is up to .274/.326/.399/.725. If his defense is as good as advertised in center and he can find a way to put up that line at the major league level that'd be pretty sweet.
He's still gotta be at least a year away right?
So do the Cubs get another stop-gap in CF for a year? I have to think Dexter isn't going to come back on a one-year deal.
Quote from: Canadouche on August 31, 2015, 10:24:04 AM
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Quote from: SKO on August 31, 2015, 09:14:28 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 31, 2015, 09:00:29 AM
In August, Almora has hitting streaks of 13 and 11 games.
Season line is up to .274/.326/.399/.725. If his defense is as good as advertised in center and he can find a way to put up that line at the major league level that'd be pretty sweet.
He's still gotta be at least a year away right?
So do the Cubs get another stop-gap in CF for a year? I have to think Dexter isn't going to come back on a one-year deal.
I think Fowler is happy here and probably would like to stay but if some other team has the same hole in their lineup and wants to give him 4/40 or something higher how the hell are the Cubs going to match that? I'm guessing he's gone.
Quote from: Slaky on August 31, 2015, 10:06:44 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 31, 2015, 09:14:28 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 31, 2015, 09:00:29 AM
In August, Almora has hitting streaks of 13 and 11 games.
Season line is up to .274/.326/.399/.725. If his defense is as good as advertised in center and he can find a way to put up that line at the major league level that'd be pretty sweet.
He's still gotta be at least a year away right?
Oh yeah, a hot month in AA is great and all, but he'll be in Iowa next season.
Hard to remember he's still only 21, feels like he's been around forever.
Quote from: Slaky on August 31, 2015, 10:25:06 AM
I think Fowler is happy here and probably would like to stay but if some other team has the same hole in their lineup and wants to give him 4/40 or something higher how the hell are the Cubs going to match that?
4/40 for Fowler would be a steal. They don't have an in-house option for CF and will be a World Series contender next year -- I don't think they can go with a stopgap option based on the assumption that Almora will be ready to be a full-time player in 2017.
Quote from: Eli on August 31, 2015, 11:01:01 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 31, 2015, 10:25:06 AM
I think Fowler is happy here and probably would like to stay but if some other team has the same hole in their lineup and wants to give him 4/40 or something higher how the hell are the Cubs going to match that?
4/40 for Fowler would be a steal. They don't have an in-house option for CF and will be a World Series contender next year -- I don't think they can go with a stopgap option based on the assumption that Almora will be ready to be a full-time player in 2017.
I think they'll extend Dexter. Even as he ages he should still walk a lot, they could always eventually move him to a corner outfield spot, or they could eat some money and trade him later if someone pushes him out of the way. Either way I don't think Theo would base anything around the assumption that Almora will be ready in 2017 or whatever.
Quote from: SKO on August 31, 2015, 11:20:57 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 31, 2015, 11:01:01 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 31, 2015, 10:25:06 AM
I think Fowler is happy here and probably would like to stay but if some other team has the same hole in their lineup and wants to give him 4/40 or something higher how the hell are the Cubs going to match that?
4/40 for Fowler would be a steal. They don't have an in-house option for CF and will be a World Series contender next year -- I don't think they can go with a stopgap option based on the assumption that Almora will be ready to be a full-time player in 2017.
I think they'll extend Dexter. Even as he ages he should still walk a lot, they could always eventually move him to a corner outfield spot, or they could eat some money and trade him later if someone pushes him out of the way. Either way I don't think Theo would base anything around the assumption that Almora will be ready in 2017 or whatever.
It doesn't look like there will be a better option than Fowler on the market this winter, and just because Almora might be ready in 2017 doesn't necessarily mean he'll be ready in Chicago. At the very least he'd be one helluva late-inning glove, or a nice trade piece.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 31, 2015, 11:37:22 AM
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Quote from: Slaky on August 31, 2015, 10:25:06 AM
I think Fowler is happy here and probably would like to stay but if some other team has the same hole in their lineup and wants to give him 4/40 or something higher how the hell are the Cubs going to match that?
4/40 for Fowler would be a steal. They don't have an in-house option for CF and will be a World Series contender next year -- I don't think they can go with a stopgap option based on the assumption that Almora will be ready to be a full-time player in 2017.
I think they'll extend Dexter. Even as he ages he should still walk a lot, they could always eventually move him to a corner outfield spot, or they could eat some money and trade him later if someone pushes him out of the way. Either way I don't think Theo would base anything around the assumption that Almora will be ready in 2017 or whatever.
It doesn't look like there will be a better option than Fowler on the market this winter, and just because Almora might be ready in 2017 doesn't necessarily mean he'll be ready in Chicago. At the very least he'd be one helluva late-inning glove, or a nice trade piece.
I'm sticking with my hope that they extend Fowler, Almora is part of the package that goes to San Diego for Tyson Ross, and maybe Happ is the guy that eventually takes over for Fowler down the road or takes over in CF, moving Dex to left.
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I think Fowler is happy here and probably would like to stay but if some other team has the same hole in their lineup and wants to give him 4/40 or something higher how the hell are the Cubs going to match that?
4/40 for Fowler would be a steal. They don't have an in-house option for CF and will be a World Series contender next year -- I don't think they can go with a stopgap option based on the assumption that Almora will be ready to be a full-time player in 2017.
I think they'll extend Dexter. Even as he ages he should still walk a lot, they could always eventually move him to a corner outfield spot, or they could eat some money and trade him later if someone pushes him out of the way. Either way I don't think Theo would base anything around the assumption that Almora will be ready in 2017 or whatever.
It doesn't look like there will be a better option than Fowler on the market this winter, and just because Almora might be ready in 2017 doesn't necessarily mean he'll be ready in Chicago. At the very least he'd be one helluva late-inning glove, or a nice trade piece.
I'm sticking with my hope that they extend Fowler, Almora is part of the package that goes to San Diego for Tyson Ross, and maybe Happ is the guy that eventually takes over for Fowler down the road or takes over in CF, moving Dex to left.
I feel more hopeful that they can keep Dex. Here's hoping.
Looks like Fork may have been right! At least about the year that Almora would get called up (https://twitter.com/CSNMooney/status/740186425790988288).
Quote from: R-V on June 07, 2016, 09:28:20 AM
Looks like Fork may have been right! At least about the year that Almora would get called up (https://twitter.com/CSNMooney/status/740186425790988288).
Soler=Wally Pipp?
Quote from: Slaky on August 31, 2015, 02:08:18 PM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 31, 2015, 11:37:22 AM
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Quote from: Slaky on August 31, 2015, 10:25:06 AM
I think Fowler is happy here and probably would like to stay but if some other team has the same hole in their lineup and wants to give him 4/40 or something higher how the hell are the Cubs going to match that?
4/40 for Fowler would be a steal. They don't have an in-house option for CF and will be a World Series contender next year -- I don't think they can go with a stopgap option based on the assumption that Almora will be ready to be a full-time player in 2017.
I think they'll extend Dexter. Even as he ages he should still walk a lot, they could always eventually move him to a corner outfield spot, or they could eat some money and trade him later if someone pushes him out of the way. Either way I don't think Theo would base anything around the assumption that Almora will be ready in 2017 or whatever.
It doesn't look like there will be a better option than Fowler on the market this winter, and just because Almora might be ready in 2017 doesn't necessarily mean he'll be ready in Chicago. At the very least he'd be one helluva late-inning glove, or a nice trade piece.
I'm sticking with my hope that they extend Fowler, Almora is part of the package that goes to San Diego for Tyson Ross, and maybe Happ is the guy that eventually takes over for Fowler down the road or takes over in CF, moving Dex to left.
I feel more hopeful that they can keep Dex. Here's hoping.
Hey what else you got on your wish list, Slak?
good arm, kid.
"Nobody runs on the Double Al." - Probably what he said to himself, only to realize it sounded better in his head.
And bump for the kid's first hit and RBI.
And bump again for the fact that every one of Theo's first rounders has not only made it to the Majors but made his debut for the Cubs. Ian Happ, you're next.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 08, 2016, 03:49:11 PM
And bump again for the fact that every one of Theo's first rounders has not only made it to the Majors but made his debut for the Cubs. Ian Happ, you're next.
Every one? What about Happ? Did I miss it?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 08, 2016, 04:05:48 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 08, 2016, 03:49:11 PM
And bump again for the fact that every one of Theo's first rounders has not only made it to the Majors but made his debut for the Cubs. Ian Happ, you're next.
Every one? What about Happ? Did I miss it?
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 08, 2016, 03:49:11 PM
And bump again for the fact that every one of Theo's first rounders has not only made it to the Majors but made his debut for the Cubs. Ian Happ, you're next.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 08, 2016, 04:05:48 PM
Every one? What about Happ? Did I miss it?
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 08, 2016, 03:49:11 PM
And bump again for the fact that every one of Theo's first rounders has not only made it to the Majors but made his debut for the Cubs. Ian Happ, you're next.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 08, 2016, 04:05:48 PM
Every one? What about Happ? Did I miss it?
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 08, 2016, 03:49:11 PM
And bump again for the fact that every one of Theo's first rounders has not only made it to the Majors but made his debut for the Cubs. Ian Happ, you're next.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 08, 2016, 04:05:48 PM
Every one? What about Happ? Did I miss it?
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 08, 2016, 03:49:11 PM
And bump again for the fact that every one of Theo's first rounders has not only made it to the Majors but made his debut for the Cubs. Ian Happ, you're next.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 08, 2016, 04:05:48 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 08, 2016, 03:49:11 PM
And bump again for the fact that every one of Theo's first rounders has not only made it to the Majors but made his debut for the Cubs. Ian Happ, you're next.
Every one? What about Happ? Did I miss it?
(http://i.imgur.com/SuJ8PXF.gif)
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 08, 2016, 03:49:11 PM
And bump again for the fact that every one of Theo's first rounders has not only made it to the Majors but made his debut for the Cubs. Ian Happ, you're next.
Every one? What about Happ? Did I miss it?
(http://i.imgur.com/SuJ8PXF.gif)
Giving Chuck entirely too much credit, I thought he was making some obscure and bad joke and i just couldn't see it.
I...er...also would like to make fun of Chuck for this particular gaffe.
Quote from: Bort on June 08, 2016, 11:56:12 PM
I...er...also would like to make fun of Chuck for this particular gaffe.
What gaffe by chuck? Did I miss it?
(http://i.giphy.com/11tVh1XRNAunYI.gif)
Bump.
Fuck all of you Doubting Cocksuckers®
BOOM! That was great. Biggest hit of that kid's life so far. Loved how pumped he was.
And eat shit, Dusty. It's been fun watching him get clowned by Joe.
That was cool
It's going to be really tough to send him back down.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 15, 2016, 08:40:57 AM
It's going to be really tough to send him back down.
Little early to make that call--and they don't need to make it now anyway-- but if he keeps getting good wood on balls (||) like he has, he may prove worth the roster spot for this year. I'm still more impressed with the double he had in Atlanta last Friday, where he got around on an outside fastball and just pulled it down the line. Still, he'd need to have more limited exposure than Soler because even though I've been an admitted fanboy of Almora's since the beginning, there's no way he can be
expected to be an offensive contributor right now. So far so good, though.
DPD. Would still be neat if he managed to stick and contribute. With the inevitable Federowicz DFA/Contreras call-up, my head spins to think that a 97-win team with 4 rookies starting (and Baez) can follow it up with a better team but with 2 more rookies contributing.
Quote from: PANK! on June 15, 2016, 08:46:19 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 15, 2016, 08:40:57 AM
It's going to be really tough to send him back down.
Little early to make that call--and they don't need to make it now anyway-- but if he keeps getting good wood on balls (||) like he has, he may prove worth the roster spot for this year. I'm still more impressed with the double he had in Atlanta last Friday, where he got around on an outside fastball and just pulled it down the line. Still, he'd need to have more limited exposure than Soler because even though I've been an admitted fanboy of Almora's since the beginning, there's no way he can be expected to be an offensive contributor right now. So far so good, though.
Maddon is better than any manager in the game at recognizing his own players' strengths and weaknesses and being able to use that recognition to put each player in the best position to succeed.
His glove is such a huge plus (and the tagging up to move to third was also pretty damn impressive - the kid has a good head on his shoulders), but ultimately if he's going to fight for ABs with Soler, the solution might be to let Almora get his ABs in Iowa.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 15, 2016, 08:54:04 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 15, 2016, 08:46:19 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 15, 2016, 08:40:57 AM
It's going to be really tough to send him back down.
Little early to make that call--and they don't need to make it now anyway-- but if he keeps getting good wood on balls (||) like he has, he may prove worth the roster spot for this year. I'm still more impressed with the double he had in Atlanta last Friday, where he got around on an outside fastball and just pulled it down the line. Still, he'd need to have more limited exposure than Soler because even though I've been an admitted fanboy of Almora's since the beginning, there's no way he can be expected to be an offensive contributor right now. So far so good, though.
Maddon is better than any manager in the game at recognizing his own players' strengths and weaknesses and being able to use that recognition to put each player in the best position to succeed.
His glove is such a huge plus (and the tagging up to move to third was also pretty damn impressive - the kid has a good head on his shoulders), but ultimately if he's going to fight for ABs with Soler, the solution might be to let Almora get his ABs in Iowa.
Unless Soler gets dealt. But otherwise, if Almora goes back to Iowa with the confidence of doing what he's already done in the bigs, I would expect him to keep it up in his last 2 months in AAA before coming back in September.
I actually kinda think he'll stay up regardless of what happens unless his offense is 2014 Javy ugly. His defense and baserunning are obviously major league ready and he has the kind of high contact offensive approach where I'm not sure there's much left for him to learn in the minors. His offensive ceiling is fairly low but if he's figured out how to make contact against big league pitching I'm not sure what's left for him to learn in the minors. He's kind of like Starlin in that regard.
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 09:07:12 AM
I actually kinda think he'll stay up regardless of what happens unless his offense is 2014 Javy ugly. His defense and baserunning are obviously major league ready and he has the kind of high contact offensive approach where I'm not sure there's much left for him to learn in the minors. His offensive ceiling is fairly low but if he's figured out how to make contact against big league pitching I'm not sure what's left for him to learn in the minors. He's kind of like Starlin in that regard.
Not sure if he's figured it out, so much as he remembers the pitchers he's faced in the past. He talked after the game about how he knows Solis from having faced him in the minors so his familiarity may have helped his approach...which itself is nice to know about Almora--that he's aware of his surroundings and he has good recall of his opposition for present and future circumstances.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 15, 2016, 08:54:04 AM
His glove is such a huge plus (and the tagging up to move to third was also pretty damn impressive - the kid has a good head on his shoulders), but ultimately if he's going to fight for ABs with Soler, the solution might be to let Almora get his ABs in Iowa.
I'm also thinking Iowa is going to be a better spot for him once everyone is back healthy. He can be back in September and maybe even stick on the playoff roster as a late-inning defensive replacement. But in terms of his development, I'd rather he get another 250 at bats at AAA this year than be part-time player for most of the year in the bigs.
He hasn't looked lost at the plate though, which could either 1.) help his trade value or 2.) make it easier to go with him as the CF next year if Fowler walks for a huge payday after this year.
Quote from: Eli on June 15, 2016, 09:16:20 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 15, 2016, 08:54:04 AM
His glove is such a huge plus (and the tagging up to move to third was also pretty damn impressive - the kid has a good head on his shoulders), but ultimately if he's going to fight for ABs with Soler, the solution might be to let Almora get his ABs in Iowa.
I'm also thinking Iowa is going to be a better spot for him once everyone is back healthy. He can be back in September and maybe even stick on the playoff roster as a late-inning defensive replacement. But in terms of his development, I'd rather he get another 250 at bats at AAA this year than be part-time player for most of the year in the bigs.
He hasn't looked lost at the plate though, which could either 1.) help his trade value or 2.) make it easier to go with him as the CF next year if Fowler walks for a huge payday after this year.
Side note: If Dexter opts out (he will), do the Cubs get to do a Qualifying Offer again?
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Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 15, 2016, 08:40:57 AM
It's going to be really tough to send him back down.
Little early to make that call--and they don't need to make it now anyway-- but if he keeps getting good wood on balls (||) like he has, he may prove worth the roster spot for this year. I'm still more impressed with the double he had in Atlanta last Friday, where he got around on an outside fastball and just pulled it down the line. Still, he'd need to have more limited exposure than Soler because even though I've been an admitted fanboy of Almora's since the beginning, there's no way he can be expected to be an offensive contributor right now. So far so good, though.
Maddon is better than any manager in the game at recognizing his own players' strengths and weaknesses and being able to use that recognition to put each player in the best position to succeed.
His glove is such a huge plus (and the tagging up to move to third was also pretty damn impressive - the kid has a good head on his shoulders), but ultimately if he's going to fight for ABs with Soler, the solution might be to let Almora get his ABs in Iowa.
Unless Soler gets dealt. But otherwise, if Almora goes back to Iowa with the confidence of doing what he's already done in the bigs, I would expect him to keep it up in his last 2 months in AAA before coming back in September.
If they decide to keep Almora up, I'd think Szczur would be the one dealt. Almora is an upgrade over him right now.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 15, 2016, 09:19:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 15, 2016, 08:57:41 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 15, 2016, 08:54:04 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 15, 2016, 08:46:19 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 15, 2016, 08:40:57 AM
It's going to be really tough to send him back down.
Little early to make that call--and they don't need to make it now anyway-- but if he keeps getting good wood on balls (||) like he has, he may prove worth the roster spot for this year. I'm still more impressed with the double he had in Atlanta last Friday, where he got around on an outside fastball and just pulled it down the line. Still, he'd need to have more limited exposure than Soler because even though I've been an admitted fanboy of Almora's since the beginning, there's no way he can be expected to be an offensive contributor right now. So far so good, though.
Maddon is better than any manager in the game at recognizing his own players' strengths and weaknesses and being able to use that recognition to put each player in the best position to succeed.
His glove is such a huge plus (and the tagging up to move to third was also pretty damn impressive - the kid has a good head on his shoulders), but ultimately if he's going to fight for ABs with Soler, the solution might be to let Almora get his ABs in Iowa.
Unless Soler gets dealt. But otherwise, if Almora goes back to Iowa with the confidence of doing what he's already done in the bigs, I would expect him to keep it up in his last 2 months in AAA before coming back in September.
If they decide to keep Almora up, I'd think Szczur would be the one dealt. Almora is an upgrade over him right now.
I think the decision won't be whether or not they call up Almora and decide to make a trade, but whether or not Soler gets packaged at the deadline and they have to decide between Almora and Szczur to replace the spot, in which case Szczur--if he's not also dealt-- probably loses.
Quote from: Eli on June 15, 2016, 09:16:20 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 15, 2016, 08:54:04 AM
His glove is such a huge plus (and the tagging up to move to third was also pretty damn impressive - the kid has a good head on his shoulders), but ultimately if he's going to fight for ABs with Soler, the solution might be to let Almora get his ABs in Iowa.
I'm also thinking Iowa is going to be a better spot for him once everyone is back healthy. He can be back in September and maybe even stick on the playoff roster as a late-inning defensive replacement. But in terms of his development, I'd rather he get another 250 at bats at AAA this year than be part-time player for most of the year in the bigs.
He hasn't looked lost at the plate though, which could either 1.) help his trade value or 2.) make it easier to go with him as the CF next year if Fowler walks for a huge payday after this year.
This is about where I am on Almora. Who knows what the outfield depth chart is going to look like after the trade deadline, but if your playoff roster comes down to a choice between Szczur and Almora, I think you have to go Albert for late inning defensive/pinch running strategery. This is assuming that Soler is healthy and hitting (a huge if), which means you go with Soler/Fowler/Heyward to start the game and then bring in Almora and Baez for the defensive death lineup once you get a lead.
Aaand FACED by Huey. I'm feeling as embarrassed as Eli must feel after completely writing off Almora's ability to play sports at all, let alone major league baseball.
Quote from: PANK! on June 15, 2016, 09:22:11 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 15, 2016, 09:19:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 15, 2016, 08:57:41 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 15, 2016, 08:54:04 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 15, 2016, 08:46:19 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 15, 2016, 08:40:57 AM
It's going to be really tough to send him back down.
Little early to make that call--and they don't need to make it now anyway-- but if he keeps getting good wood on balls (||) like he has, he may prove worth the roster spot for this year. I'm still more impressed with the double he had in Atlanta last Friday, where he got around on an outside fastball and just pulled it down the line. Still, he'd need to have more limited exposure than Soler because even though I've been an admitted fanboy of Almora's since the beginning, there's no way he can be expected to be an offensive contributor right now. So far so good, though.
Maddon is better than any manager in the game at recognizing his own players' strengths and weaknesses and being able to use that recognition to put each player in the best position to succeed.
His glove is such a huge plus (and the tagging up to move to third was also pretty damn impressive - the kid has a good head on his shoulders), but ultimately if he's going to fight for ABs with Soler, the solution might be to let Almora get his ABs in Iowa.
Unless Soler gets dealt. But otherwise, if Almora goes back to Iowa with the confidence of doing what he's already done in the bigs, I would expect him to keep it up in his last 2 months in AAA before coming back in September.
If they decide to keep Almora up, I'd think Szczur would be the one dealt. Almora is an upgrade over him right now.
I think the decision won't be whether or not they call up Almora and decide to make a trade, but whether or not Soler gets packaged at the deadline and they have to decide between Almora and Szczur to replace the spot, in which case Szczur--if he's not also dealt-- probably loses.
Adding that my assumption is that if Soler is dealt it would be for Ann Drumiller or something similar, while the Cubs may still acquire someone like Jabe Roos, which would likely yield a platoon of Bruce (or whomever) and Bryant/Almora.
Quote from: R-V on June 15, 2016, 09:23:48 AM
Aaand FACED by Huey. I'm feeling as embarrassed as Eli must feel after completely writing off Almora's ability to play sports at all, let alone major league baseball.
If you read through this thread it's actually Slak who's got the hottest anti-Almora take.
Quote from: Slaky on August 18, 2015, 02:00:42 PM
I can't believe this thread exists.
Quote from: PANK! on June 15, 2016, 09:25:15 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 15, 2016, 09:23:48 AM
Aaand FACED by Huey. I'm feeling as embarrassed as Eli must feel after completely writing off Almora's ability to play sports at all, let alone major league baseball.
If you read through this thread it's actually Slak who's got the hottest anti-Almora take.
Quote from: Slaky on August 18, 2015, 02:00:42 PM
I can't believe this thread exists.
I'm happy to be seeing him contribute.
I am about 97% sure the Cubs are adding a left field bad at the deadline no matter what happens, even if Jorge comes back and tears July a new asshole. He's too injury prone and inconsistent to bank on him even being available in October, let alone productive, and entrusting a bunch of playoff ABs to Almora or Szczur or even Javy/La Stella with Bryant in left is probably not something Theo is willing to do.
They'll get a left handed veteran bat (and god help me, but I agree it'll probably be Jabe Roos). Whichever kids are still standing after the deadline will have to content themselves with fighting for being the short side of a platoon/late inning defense and a competitor for an OF job next spring.
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 09:35:19 AM
I am about 97% sure the Cubs are adding a left field bad at the deadline no matter what happens, even if Jorge comes back and tears July a new asshole. He's too injury prone and inconsistent to bank on him even being available in October, let alone productive, and entrusting a bunch of playoff ABs to Almora or Szczur or even Javy/La Stella with Bryant in left is probably not something Theo is willing to do.
They'll get a left handed veteran bat (and god help me, but I agree it'll probably be Jabe Roos). Whichever kids are still standing after the deadline will have to content themselves with fighting for being the short side of a platoon/late inning defense and a competitor for an OF job next spring.
Have some faith, man
Quote from: Yeti on June 15, 2016, 09:39:03 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 09:35:19 AM
I am about 97% sure the Cubs are adding a left field bad at the deadline no matter what happens, even if Jorge comes back and tears July a new asshole. He's too injury prone and inconsistent to bank on him even being available in October, let alone productive, and entrusting a bunch of playoff ABs to Almora or Szczur or even Javy/La Stella with Bryant in left is probably not something Theo is willing to do.
They'll get a left handed veteran bat (and god help me, but I agree it'll probably be Jabe Roos). Whichever kids are still standing after the deadline will have to content themselves with fighting for being the short side of a platoon/late inning defense and a competitor for an OF job next spring.
Have some faith, man
Well if it is Jabe, still accurate.
Quote from: R-V on June 15, 2016, 09:22:33 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 15, 2016, 09:16:20 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 15, 2016, 08:54:04 AM
His glove is such a huge plus (and the tagging up to move to third was also pretty damn impressive - the kid has a good head on his shoulders), but ultimately if he's going to fight for ABs with Soler, the solution might be to let Almora get his ABs in Iowa.
I'm also thinking Iowa is going to be a better spot for him once everyone is back healthy. He can be back in September and maybe even stick on the playoff roster as a late-inning defensive replacement. But in terms of his development, I'd rather he get another 250 at bats at AAA this year than be part-time player for most of the year in the bigs.
He hasn't looked lost at the plate though, which could either 1.) help his trade value or 2.) make it easier to go with him as the CF next year if Fowler walks for a huge payday after this year.
This is about where I am on Almora. Who knows what the outfield depth chart is going to look like after the trade deadline, but if your playoff roster comes down to a choice between Szczur and Almora, I think you have to go Albert for late inning defensive/pinch running strategery. This is assuming that Soler is healthy and hitting (a huge if), which means you go with Soler/Fowler/Heyward to start the game and then bring in Almora and Baez for the defensive death lineup once you get a lead.
Maybe it sounds weird, but I'd rather have Szczur on the roster from now until September simply to prioritize Almora's development in Iowa. The difference between the two at the major-league level is pretty inconsequential over a few months and it's not really worth haggling over half a win or whatever. But come playoff time I think Almora's defense (and maybe even his contact ability at the plate) makes him a really good fit as a 25th man.
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 09:35:19 AM
I am about 97% sure the Cubs are adding a left field bad at the deadline no matter what happens, even if Jorge comes back and tears July a new asshole. He's too injury prone and inconsistent to bank on him even being available in October, let alone productive, and entrusting a bunch of playoff ABs to Almora or Szczur or even Javy/La Stella with Bryant in left is probably not something Theo is willing to do.
They'll get a left handed veteran bat (and god help me, but I agree it'll probably be Jabe Roos). Whichever kids are still standing after the deadline will have to content themselves with fighting for being the short side of a platoon/late inning defense and a competitor for an OF job next spring.
They already did.
(http://unashamedathletes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Chris-Coghlan-h49g9uxWXZim.jpg)
So playoff roster of:
C: Contreras, Montero, Ross
1B: Rizzo
2B: Zobrist, La Stella
3B: Bryant, Baez
SS: Russell
LF: Bruce, Soler
CF: Fowler, Almora
RF: Heyward
SP: Arrieta, Lester, Lackey, whichever of Hammel or Hendricks is better at that point in time
RP: Rondon, Strop, Aroldis Chapman, Cahill, Wood, Grimm, Warren.
Works for me.
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 09:52:55 AM
So playoff roster of:
C: Contreras, Montero, Ross
1B: Rizzo
2B: Zobrist, La Stella
3B: Bryant, Baez
SS: Russell
LF: Bruce, Soler
CF: Fowler, Almora
RF: Heyward
SP: Arrieta, Lester, Lackey, whichever of Hammel or Hendricks is better at that point in time
RP: Rondon, Strop, Aroldis Chapman, Cahill, Wood, Grimm, Warren.
Works for me.
...for?
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 15, 2016, 09:55:46 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 09:52:55 AM
So playoff roster of:
C: Contreras, Montero, Ross
1B: Rizzo
2B: Zobrist, La Stella
3B: Bryant, Baez
SS: Russell
LF: Bruce, Soler
CF: Fowler, Almora
RF: Heyward
SP: Arrieta, Lester, Lackey, whichever of Hammel or Hendricks is better at that point in time
RP: Rondon, Strop, Aroldis Chapman, Cahill, Wood, Grimm, Warren.
Works for me.
...for?
Who knows, I just have a feeling the Cubs suddenly having a bunch of quotes about being able to take on baggage because they have such a strong clubhouse are meant to prep us for that douchebag. Or maybe they're just talking about Coghlan.
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 09:52:55 AM
So playoff roster of:
C: Contreras, Montero, Ross
1B: Rizzo
2B: Zobrist, La Stella
3B: Bryant, Baez
SS: Russell
LF: Bruce, Soler
CF: Fowler, Almora
RF: Heyward
SP: Arrieta, Lester, Lackey, whichever of Hammel or Hendricks is better at that point in time
RP: Rondon, Strop, Aroldis Chapman, Cahill, Wood, Grimm, Warren.
Works for me.
I know they went with 11 pitchers last year, but I guess I'd be surprised if they had three catchers rostered for the postseason.
Quote from: ChuckD on June 15, 2016, 10:01:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 09:52:55 AM
So playoff roster of:
C: Contreras, Montero, Ross
1B: Rizzo
2B: Zobrist, La Stella
3B: Bryant, Baez
SS: Russell
LF: Bruce, Soler
CF: Fowler, Almora
RF: Heyward
SP: Arrieta, Lester, Lackey, whichever of Hammel or Hendricks is better at that point in time
RP: Rondon, Strop, Aroldis Chapman, Cahill, Wood, Grimm, Warren.
Works for me.
I know they went with 11 pitchers last year, but I guess I'd be surprised if they had three catchers rostered for the postseason.
Well in my world Contreras comes up and rakes so much that it's justifiable having him on the roster even if he doesn't catch so he can pinch hit and/or be the DH .
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 10:02:51 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on June 15, 2016, 10:01:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 09:52:55 AM
So playoff roster of:
C: Contreras, Montero, Ross
1B: Rizzo
2B: Zobrist, La Stella
3B: Bryant, Baez
SS: Russell
LF: Bruce, Soler
CF: Fowler, Almora
RF: Heyward
SP: Arrieta, Lester, Lackey, whichever of Hammel or Hendricks is better at that point in time
RP: Rondon, Strop, Aroldis Chapman, Cahill, Wood, Grimm, Warren.
Works for me.
I know they went with 11 pitchers last year, but I guess I'd be surprised if they had three catchers rostered for the postseason.
Well in my world Contreras comes up and rakes so much that it's justifiable having him on the roster even if he doesn't catch so he can pinch hit and/or be the DH .
Yeah, given that hypothetical, I suppose it makes sense if he's the best bat they have left on the 40 man (regardless of position).
Quote from: ChuckD on June 15, 2016, 10:07:35 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 10:02:51 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on June 15, 2016, 10:01:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 09:52:55 AM
So playoff roster of:
C: Contreras, Montero, Ross
1B: Rizzo
2B: Zobrist, La Stella
3B: Bryant, Baez
SS: Russell
LF: Bruce, Soler
CF: Fowler, Almora
RF: Heyward
SP: Arrieta, Lester, Lackey, whichever of Hammel or Hendricks is better at that point in time
RP: Rondon, Strop, Aroldis Chapman, Cahill, Wood, Grimm, Warren.
Works for me.
I know they went with 11 pitchers last year, but I guess I'd be surprised if they had three catchers rostered for the postseason.
Well in my world Contreras comes up and rakes so much that it's justifiable having him on the roster even if he doesn't catch so he can pinch hit and/or be the DH .
Yeah, given that hypothetical, I suppose it makes sense if he's the best bat they have left on the 40 man (regardless of position).
Contreras has an OPS at Iowa that's higher than what Schwarber or Bryant managed, and also strikes out less than they did while walking about the same. Scientifically speaking, he is a lock to come up and hit even better than they did. That's just the maths.
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 09:56:36 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 15, 2016, 09:55:46 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 09:52:55 AM
So playoff roster of:
C: Contreras, Montero, Ross
1B: Rizzo
2B: Zobrist, La Stella
3B: Bryant, Baez
SS: Russell
LF: Bruce, Soler
CF: Fowler, Almora
RF: Heyward
SP: Arrieta, Lester, Lackey, whichever of Hammel or Hendricks is better at that point in time
RP: Rondon, Strop, Aroldis Chapman, Cahill, Wood, Grimm, Warren.
Works for me.
...for?
Who knows, I just have a feeling the Cubs suddenly having a bunch of quotes about being able to take on baggage because they have such a strong clubhouse are meant to prep us for that douchebag. Or maybe they're just talking about Coghlan.
Maybe they're bringing Adam Laroche in.
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 09:52:55 AM
So playoff roster of:
C: Contreras, Montero, Ross
1B: Rizzo
2B: Zobrist, La Stella
3B: Bryant, Baez
SS: Russell
LF: Schwarber, Soler
CF: Fowler, Almora
RF: Heyward
SP: Arrieta, Lester, Jose Fernandez, Lackey
RP: Rondon, Betances, Miller, Strop, Wood, Cahill, Grimm.
Works for me.
Fixed it for you.
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 09:52:55 AM
So playoff roster of:
C: Contreras, Montero, Ross
1B: Rizzo
2B: Zobrist, La Stella
3B: Bryant, Baez
SS: Russell
LF: Bruce, Soler
CF: Fowler, Almora
RF: Heyward
SP: Arrieta, Lester, Lackey, whichever of Hammel or Hendricks is better at that point in time
RP: Rondon, Strop, Aroldis Chapman, Cahill, Wood, Grimm, Warren.
Works for me.
May I suggest Beltran instead of Bruce? I mean, if Epstink is already engaging Cashman in trade talks, may as well get Beltran, too.
Quote from: Oleg on June 15, 2016, 11:46:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 09:52:55 AM
So playoff roster of:
C: Contreras, Montero, Ross
1B: Rizzo
2B: Zobrist, La Stella
3B: Bryant, Baez
SS: Russell
LF: Bruce, Soler
CF: Fowler, Almora
RF: Heyward
SP: Arrieta, Lester, Lackey, whichever of Hammel or Hendricks is better at that point in time
RP: Rondon, Strop, Aroldis Chapman, Cahill, Wood, Grimm, Warren.
Works for me.
May I suggest Beltran instead of Bruce? I mean, if Epstink is already engaging Cashman in trade talks, may as well get Beltran, too.
I'm not sure I trust Beltran to keep this up till October at age 39. Bruce is no sure thing either, but ehhh
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 11:49:05 AM
Quote from: Oleg on June 15, 2016, 11:46:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 09:52:55 AM
So playoff roster of:
C: Contreras, Montero, Ross
1B: Rizzo
2B: Zobrist, La Stella
3B: Bryant, Baez
SS: Russell
LF: Bruce, Soler
CF: Fowler, Almora
RF: Heyward
SP: Arrieta, Lester, Lackey, whichever of Hammel or Hendricks is better at that point in time
RP: Rondon, Strop, Aroldis Chapman, Cahill, Wood, Grimm, Warren.
Works for me.
May I suggest Beltran instead of Bruce? I mean, if Epstink is already engaging Cashman in trade talks, may as well get Beltran, too.
I'm not sure I trust Beltran to keep this up till October at age 39. Bruce is no sure thing either, but ehhh
Is the NL planning on implementing the DH before the Bruce trade?
Because otherwise, no thanks.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 15, 2016, 12:06:32 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 11:49:05 AM
Quote from: Oleg on June 15, 2016, 11:46:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 09:52:55 AM
So playoff roster of:
C: Contreras, Montero, Ross
1B: Rizzo
2B: Zobrist, La Stella
3B: Bryant, Baez
SS: Russell
LF: Bruce, Soler
CF: Fowler, Almora
RF: Heyward
SP: Arrieta, Lester, Lackey, whichever of Hammel or Hendricks is better at that point in time
RP: Rondon, Strop, Aroldis Chapman, Cahill, Wood, Grimm, Warren.
Works for me.
May I suggest Beltran instead of Bruce? I mean, if Epstink is already engaging Cashman in trade talks, may as well get Beltran, too.
I'm not sure I trust Beltran to keep this up till October at age 39. Bruce is no sure thing either, but ehhh
Is the NL planning on implementing the DH before the Bruce trade?
Because otherwise, no thanks.
Sure, the team that won 97 games last year using an assortment of Coghlan, Schwarber, and Soler in left field couldn't get by using Jay Bruce there for 6 innings a game before Almora subs in anyway.
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 12:10:01 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 15, 2016, 12:06:32 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 11:49:05 AM
Quote from: Oleg on June 15, 2016, 11:46:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 09:52:55 AM
So playoff roster of:
C: Contreras, Montero, Ross
1B: Rizzo
2B: Zobrist, La Stella
3B: Bryant, Baez
SS: Russell
LF: Bruce, Soler
CF: Fowler, Almora
RF: Heyward
SP: Arrieta, Lester, Lackey, whichever of Hammel or Hendricks is better at that point in time
RP: Rondon, Strop, Aroldis Chapman, Cahill, Wood, Grimm, Warren.
Works for me.
May I suggest Beltran instead of Bruce? I mean, if Epstink is already engaging Cashman in trade talks, may as well get Beltran, too.
I'm not sure I trust Beltran to keep this up till October at age 39. Bruce is no sure thing either, but ehhh
Is the NL planning on implementing the DH before the Bruce trade?
Because otherwise, no thanks.
Sure, the team that won 97 games last year using an assortment of Coghlan, Schwarber, and Soler in left field couldn't get by using Jay Bruce there for 6 innings a game before Almora subs in anyway.
Plus is Bruce really that bad defensively, or does PenFoe just see "large Cincinnati outfielder" and assume he's looking at Adam Dunn? Bruce has mostly played RF for Cincy, right?
Quote from: PANK! on June 15, 2016, 12:12:10 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 12:10:01 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 15, 2016, 12:06:32 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 11:49:05 AM
Quote from: Oleg on June 15, 2016, 11:46:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 09:52:55 AM
So playoff roster of:
C: Contreras, Montero, Ross
1B: Rizzo
2B: Zobrist, La Stella
3B: Bryant, Baez
SS: Russell
LF: Bruce, Soler
CF: Fowler, Almora
RF: Heyward
SP: Arrieta, Lester, Lackey, whichever of Hammel or Hendricks is better at that point in time
RP: Rondon, Strop, Aroldis Chapman, Cahill, Wood, Grimm, Warren.
Works for me.
May I suggest Beltran instead of Bruce? I mean, if Epstink is already engaging Cashman in trade talks, may as well get Beltran, too.
I'm not sure I trust Beltran to keep this up till October at age 39. Bruce is no sure thing either, but ehhh
Is the NL planning on implementing the DH before the Bruce trade?
Because otherwise, no thanks.
Sure, the team that won 97 games last year using an assortment of Coghlan, Schwarber, and Soler in left field couldn't get by using Jay Bruce there for 6 innings a game before Almora subs in anyway.
Plus is Bruce really that bad defensively, or does PenFoe just see "large Cincinnati outfielder" and assume he's looking at Adam Dunn? Bruce has mostly played RF for Cincy, right?
Oh he's that bad defensively, but all of his playing time this year has been in right field, one would hope the move to left field would mitigate the damage somewhat, also the Cubs pitching staff gives up far fewer flyballs than Cincinnati's anyway so he'd get fewer opportunities to fuck up to begin with, and undoubtedly would be replaced by Almora or Szczur if they were leading after 6 innings. I don't think it's really a big deal.
I mean to be clear my original hope was for Josh Reddick but he got hurt and may not be back any time soon. Otherwise not too many quality left handed bats (which would exclude Beltran anyway as the rumors are Theo is only looking for a lefty) in the OF besides Bruce. Cargo would cost too much money and I don't trust him outside of Coors that much anyway. Bruce should be fairly easy to obtain and would be a fine platoon bat who would be removed for defense late in games.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 07, 2014, 04:38:27 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 07, 2014, 04:21:38 PM
BUMP for another homer, this one in the first inning of today's game.
He's now 20 for his last 44 and has a hit in 14 of his last 15 games.
Last 10 games:
.442/.478/.628
And, oh yeah...he just turned 20 a few months ago.
But hey...
Quote from: Eli
Hopefully he's able to get back on the path of being a solid 4th outfielder on a really good team.
In 2016, the Cubs will be a really good team. And they'll need a 4th outfielder. Boner. Time.
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 02:14:59 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 07, 2014, 04:38:27 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 07, 2014, 04:21:38 PM
BUMP for another homer, this one in the first inning of today's game.
He's now 20 for his last 44 and has a hit in 14 of his last 15 games.
Last 10 games:
.442/.478/.628
And, oh yeah...he just turned 20 a few months ago.
But hey...
Quote from: Eli
Hopefully he's able to get back on the path of being a solid 4th outfielder on a really good team.
In 2016, the Cubs will be a really good team. And they'll need a 4th outfielder. Boner. Time.
Pex, where will I be in two years?
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 02:14:59 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 07, 2014, 04:38:27 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 07, 2014, 04:21:38 PM
BUMP for another homer, this one in the first inning of today's game.
He's now 20 for his last 44 and has a hit in 14 of his last 15 games.
Last 10 games:
.442/.478/.628
And, oh yeah...he just turned 20 a few months ago.
But hey...
Quote from: Eli
Hopefully he's able to get back on the path of being a solid 4th outfielder on a really good team.
In 2016, the Cubs will be a really good team. And they'll need a 4th outfielder. Boner. Time.
I stand by my statement.
But what if he can actually hit
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 15, 2016, 03:40:06 PM
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BUMP for another homer, this one in the first inning of today's game.
He's now 20 for his last 44 and has a hit in 14 of his last 15 games.
Last 10 games:
.442/.478/.628
And, oh yeah...he just turned 20 a few months ago.
But hey...
Quote from: Eli
Hopefully he's able to get back on the path of being a solid 4th outfielder on a really good team.
In 2016, the Cubs will be a really good team. And they'll need a 4th outfielder. Boner. Time.
Pex, where will I be in two years?
Jail.
That was a rough TOOTBLAN. Game would be tied. But a kickass double.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 20, 2016, 10:08:00 PM
That was a rough TOOTBLAN. Game would be tied. But a kickass double.
That sucked but I don't blame Albert. The ball looked like it was going to go to the backstop, just bad luck it hit the ump and it still took a perfect throw to get him. The real question is why the fuck did Coghlan stay at first while that was going on.
Quote from: SKO on June 21, 2016, 07:15:18 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 20, 2016, 10:08:00 PM
That was a rough TOOTBLAN. Game would be tied. But a kickass double.
That sucked but I don't blame Albert. The ball looked like it was going to go to the backstop, just bad luck it hit the ump and it still took a perfect throw to get him. The real question is why the fuck did Coghlan stay at first while that was going on.
Can there be a SOTBLAN (Stood On The Base Like A Nincompoop)?
First MLB homer BUMP
Bumping this for a really heads up read on what should've been a routine flyball out.
Advancing to second forced the IBB to Rizzo, and set the table for Zobrist and Montero.
DPD: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-moment-before-the-moment/
Quote from: ChuckD on November 03, 2016, 01:12:26 PM
DPD: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-moment-before-the-moment/
I love this. That was so huge.
Nice stealing of a HR tonight. Guess that's what they mean by "run prevention".
The kid's been a better hitter than most of us would have expected. His approach has been pleasant.
Conversely, however, I haven't seen anything with his glove that has warranted all of the hype. He's good, but he's not the elite defender we were expecting--in spite of showing some flashes in last year's playoffs. I'm struck by the fact that he doesn't seem to have the greatest first step. Also, since he's not very fast (disappointingly so) I don't think it's such a great idea for him to play so shallow. With better positioning and a better first step (which, again, he simply might not possess) he runs down that ball that Legares tagged off Strop and catches it without a circus attempt. Maybe having Heyward in right has spoiled us, but it'd sure be swell if Albert had nearly as a good of a first step as Jhey does.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on June 15, 2017, 09:09:42 AM
The kid's been a better hitter than most of us would have expected. His approach has been pleasant.
Conversely, however, I haven't seen anything with his glove that has warranted all of the hype. He's good, but he's not the elite defender we were expecting--in spite of showing some flashes in last year's playoffs. I'm struck by the fact that he doesn't seem to have the greatest first step. Also, since he's not very fast (disappointingly so) I don't think it's such a great idea for him to play so shallow. With better positioning and a better first step (which, again, he simply might not possess) he runs down that ball that Legares tagged off Strop and catches it without a circus attempt. Maybe having Heyward in right has spoiled us, but it'd sure be swell if Albert had nearly as a good of a first step as Jhey does.
Maybe he's got a bit of JI in him.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on June 15, 2017, 09:09:42 AM
The kid's been a better hitter than most of us would have expected. His approach has been pleasant.
Conversely, however, I haven't seen anything with his glove that has warranted all of the hype. He's good, but he's not the elite defender we were expecting--in spite of showing some flashes in last year's playoffs. I'm struck by the fact that he doesn't seem to have the greatest first step. Also, since he's not very fast (disappointingly so) I don't think it's such a great idea for him to play so shallow. With better positioning and a better first step (which, again, he simply might not possess) he runs down that ball that Legares tagged off Strop and catches it without a circus attempt. Maybe having Heyward in right has spoiled us, but it'd sure be swell if Albert had nearly as a good of a first step as Jhey does.
Defensive scouting reports on minor leaguers are spotty. Javy was branded as a poor defender, Addison was labeled as mediocre and likely to need to move to 2B. It can work the other way, too.
Quote from: Eli on June 15, 2017, 02:24:40 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on June 15, 2017, 09:09:42 AM
The kid's been a better hitter than most of us would have expected. His approach has been pleasant.
Conversely, however, I haven't seen anything with his glove that has warranted all of the hype. He's good, but he's not the elite defender we were expecting--in spite of showing some flashes in last year's playoffs. I'm struck by the fact that he doesn't seem to have the greatest first step. Also, since he's not very fast (disappointingly so) I don't think it's such a great idea for him to play so shallow. With better positioning and a better first step (which, again, he simply might not possess) he runs down that ball that Legares tagged off Strop and catches it without a circus attempt. Maybe having Heyward in right has spoiled us, but it'd sure be swell if Albert had nearly as a good of a first step as Jhey does.
Defensive scouting reports on minor leaguers are spotty. Javy was branded as a poor defender, Addison was labeled as mediocre and likely to need to move to 2B. It can work the other way, too.
How are his route efficiency numbers?
Bump for a dong off MadBum...
329/420/500 vs lefties going into today's festivities.
(extreme BH I was at the game with Slezak so please listen to my opinion voice)
That pinch hit is one of the moments I'm going to remember a few years from now when we look back on this run. Full count, crowd on its feet, Almora hits a rope, Zobrist's slow ass has to dodge said rope which immediately made me doubt his ability to score, and all of it topped off with Albert going nuts at first. That was incredible.
Quote from: R-V on October 10, 2017, 11:10:37 AM
(extreme BH I was at the game with Slezak so please listen to my opinion voice)
That pinch hit is one of the moments I'm going to remember a few years from now when we look back on this run. Full count, crowd on its feet, Almora hits a rope, Zobrist's slow ass has to dodge said rope which immediately made me doubt his ability to score, and all of it topped off with Albert going nuts at first. That was incredible.
That was a great moment where Joe let Dusty pick his poison - a righty against Schwarber or a lefty against Almora.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 10, 2017, 11:47:16 AM
Quote from: R-V on October 10, 2017, 11:10:37 AM
(extreme BH I was at the game with Slezak so please listen to my opinion voice)
That pinch hit is one of the moments I'm going to remember a few years from now when we look back on this run. Full count, crowd on its feet, Almora hits a rope, Zobrist's slow ass has to dodge said rope which immediately made me doubt his ability to score, and all of it topped off with Albert going nuts at first. That was incredible.
That was a great moment where Joe let Dusty pick his poison - a righty against Schwarber or a lefty against Almora.
I actually think he chose wrong. I understand him being afraid of the Schwarbomb but get a reliever like Madson in there to throw high heat vs Kyle and you have a better shot of striking him out, whereas Al tends to make very good contact vs lefties and they only needed a single to tie.
Quote from: SKO on October 10, 2017, 11:50:06 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 10, 2017, 11:47:16 AM
Quote from: R-V on October 10, 2017, 11:10:37 AM
(extreme BH I was at the game with Slezak so please listen to my opinion voice)
That pinch hit is one of the moments I'm going to remember a few years from now when we look back on this run. Full count, crowd on its feet, Almora hits a rope, Zobrist's slow ass has to dodge said rope which immediately made me doubt his ability to score, and all of it topped off with Albert going nuts at first. That was incredible.
That was a great moment where Joe let Dusty pick his poison - a righty against Schwarber or a lefty against Almora.
I actually think he chose wrong. I understand him being afraid of the Schwarbomb but get a reliever like Madson in there to throw high heat vs Kyle and you have a better shot of striking him out, whereas Al tends to make very good contact vs lefties and they only needed a single to tie.
It's almost as if Dusty has a long history of terrible in-game decisions.
Jr Dong!
Bump.
I know AAJr has been pretty vocal about his desire to be the Cubs' full-time CF, but I don't swee how that happens. Happ's bat needs a spot, and I don't swee a platoon with Almora and the switch-hitting Happ making much sense.
I guess if the Cubs need to make a trade, Almora is expendable.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on March 02, 2018, 09:01:10 AM
Bump.
I know AAJr has been pretty vocal about his desire to be the Cubs' full-time CF, but I don't swee how that happens. Happ's bat needs a spot, and I don't swee a platoon with Almora and the switch-hitting Happ making much sense.
I guess if the Cubs need to make a trade, Almora is expendable.
Or Happ.
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on March 02, 2018, 10:24:31 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on March 02, 2018, 09:01:10 AM
Bump.
I know AAJr has been pretty vocal about his desire to be the Cubs' full-time CF, but I don't swee how that happens. Happ's bat needs a spot, and I don't swee a platoon with Almora and the switch-hitting Happ making much sense.
I guess if the Cubs need to make a trade, Almora is expendable.
Or Happ.
I think the Cubs will keep both at least through this year (if they sign Harper next year then yeah somebody has to go) if only because it's really easy to get both of them into the lineup vs lefties and if Heyward doesn't massive improve it's not hard to see him losing at bats vs RHP too. The roster doesn't have a ton of quality outfield depth (plenty of infield depth) so they need all four of the guys they've got right now. The prospect shine is off Almora at this point and he's likely more valuable to the Cubs as a short-side platoon guy and defensive replacement than he would be in a trade, most teams aren't going to offer anything of real value for a guy whose upside might be 1.5-2 wins.
If Almora starts to hit right-handers and his defense improves from last year (when it was surprisingly disappointing, I think because he added all of that weight), then this is a different conversation.
Also a platoon makes perfect sense. Happ being switch-hitting doesn't mean he hits both sides equally well, he's better vs RHP than LHP, for one, but even still vs LHP your outfield is probably Zobrist/Almora/Happ and vs RHP it can be Schwarber/Happ/Heyward.
DPD
Happ vs RHP: .243/.334/.529/.863
Happ vs LHP: .276/.313/.476/.789
Almora vs RHP: .271/.291/.420/.711
Almora vs LHP: .342/.411/.486/.898
Happ in 2016 in the minors had a .605 OPS vs LHP and a .781 vs RHP so he'd appear to just be a naturally better hitter from the left side of the plate. That said I don't think he'll lose many ABs vs lefties with Heyward or Schwarber or both likely to sit vs LHP.
So it's pretty easy to get Happ a full season of PAs in center and the corners while giving Almora every start in center vs a LHP and if he improves on that .711 OPS vs RHP last year it's not hard to see him stealing playing time away from Heyward if Heyward continues to crater offensively.
He's a decent fielder.
He's hitting .306/.366/.388 against RHP so far this year. Small sample size but if Al is going to be average or better against RHP, and Happ/Schwarber keep hitting, let's just not even bother with the Jason Heyward thing anymore and just go with the All First Round Pick outfield until Happ becomes a utility player next year after they sign Harper.
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 08:13:43 AM
He's hitting .306/.366/.388 against RHP so far this year. Small sample size but if Al is going to be average or better against RHP, and Happ/Schwarber keep hitting, let's just not even bother with the Jason Heyward thing anymore and just go with the All First Round Pick outfield until Happ becomes a utility player next year after they sign Harper.
Trade Heyward to the Nats after signing Harper. Even Stevens.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 21, 2018, 08:15:44 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 08:13:43 AM
He's hitting .306/.366/.388 against RHP so far this year. Small sample size but if Al is going to be average or better against RHP, and Happ/Schwarber keep hitting, let's just not even bother with the Jason Heyward thing anymore and just go with the All First Round Pick outfield until Happ becomes a utility player next year after they sign Harper.
Trade Heyward to the Nats after signing Harper. Even Stevens.
After all of the years of the Cubs first round draft picks being the saddest fucking list in history fielding a lineup that has Baez, Almora, Bryant, Schwarber, and Happ all in it and kicking ass is definitely bonerworthy.
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 08:28:14 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 21, 2018, 08:15:44 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 08:13:43 AM
He's hitting .306/.366/.388 against RHP so far this year. Small sample size but if Al is going to be average or better against RHP, and Happ/Schwarber keep hitting, let's just not even bother with the Jason Heyward thing anymore and just go with the All First Round Pick outfield until Happ becomes a utility player next year after they sign Harper.
Trade Heyward to the Nats after signing Harper. Even Stevens.
After all of the years of the Cubs first round draft picks being the saddest fucking list in history fielding a lineup that has Baez, Almora, Bryant, Schwarber, and Happ all in it and kicking ass is definitely bonerworthy.
Imagine if Little & Lange pan out and join the rotation.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 21, 2018, 09:52:26 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 08:28:14 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 21, 2018, 08:15:44 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 08:13:43 AM
He's hitting .306/.366/.388 against RHP so far this year. Small sample size but if Al is going to be average or better against RHP, and Happ/Schwarber keep hitting, let's just not even bother with the Jason Heyward thing anymore and just go with the All First Round Pick outfield until Happ becomes a utility player next year after they sign Harper.
Trade Heyward to the Nats after signing Harper. Even Stevens.
After all of the years of the Cubs first round draft picks being the saddest fucking list in history fielding a lineup that has Baez, Almora, Bryant, Schwarber, and Happ all in it and kicking ass is definitely bonerworthy.
Imagine if Little & Lange pan out and join the rotation.
So according to B-Ref of the 63 Cubs first round draft picks before 2016, 42 of them made the majors, so that 66.7% "success" rate was actually higher than I expected. Those 42 players have produced 281.4 bWAR combined in the majors. Unfortunately, 109.3 of that bWAR is Palmeiro and Donaldson and all of 2.9 of those wins were for the Cubs. All told the Cubs have gotten a whopping 96 bWAR total in a Cub uniform from their 63 first round picks. That's incredibly sad, and Bryant/Baez/Almora/Happ/Schwarber represent 38% of that.
Prior/Wood/Patterson/Palmeiro/Dunston/Harkey/Martz/Glanville/Orie/Derrick May/Cashner/Jerry Tab were all of the other Cubs positive value first round picks, combining for a total of 71.4 bWAR, but they were also hurt by 14 dudes who produced negative value in the majors, including some guy named Scot Thompson who was worth a whopping -4.4 bWAR.
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 12:19:05 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 21, 2018, 09:52:26 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 08:28:14 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 21, 2018, 08:15:44 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 08:13:43 AM
He's hitting .306/.366/.388 against RHP so far this year. Small sample size but if Al is going to be average or better against RHP, and Happ/Schwarber keep hitting, let's just not even bother with the Jason Heyward thing anymore and just go with the All First Round Pick outfield until Happ becomes a utility player next year after they sign Harper.
Trade Heyward to the Nats after signing Harper. Even Stevens.
After all of the years of the Cubs first round draft picks being the saddest fucking list in history fielding a lineup that has Baez, Almora, Bryant, Schwarber, and Happ all in it and kicking ass is definitely bonerworthy.
Imagine if Little & Lange pan out and join the rotation.
So according to B-Ref of the 63 Cubs first round draft picks before 2016, 42 of them made the majors, so that 66.7% "success" rate was actually higher than I expected. Those 42 players have produced 281.4 bWAR combined in the majors. Unfortunately, 109.3 of that bWAR is Palmeiro and Donaldson and all of 2.9 of those wins were for the Cubs. All told the Cubs have gotten a whopping 96 bWAR total in a Cub uniform from their 63 first round picks. That's incredibly sad, and Bryant/Baez/Almora/Happ/Schwarber represent 38% of that.
Prior/Wood/Patterson/Palmeiro/Dunston/Harkey/Martz/Glanville/Orie/Derrick May/Cashner/Jerry Tab were all of the other Cubs positive value first round picks, combining for a total of 71.4 bWAR, but they were also hurt by 14 dudes who produced negative value in the majors, including some guy named Scot Thompson who was worth a whopping -4.4 bWAR.
I saw Scot Thompson collect 4 hits on the second-to-last day of the '82 season. #coolstorybro
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 12:19:05 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 21, 2018, 09:52:26 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 08:28:14 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 21, 2018, 08:15:44 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 08:13:43 AM
He's hitting .306/.366/.388 against RHP so far this year. Small sample size but if Al is going to be average or better against RHP, and Happ/Schwarber keep hitting, let's just not even bother with the Jason Heyward thing anymore and just go with the All First Round Pick outfield until Happ becomes a utility player next year after they sign Harper.
Trade Heyward to the Nats after signing Harper. Even Stevens.
After all of the years of the Cubs first round draft picks being the saddest fucking list in history fielding a lineup that has Baez, Almora, Bryant, Schwarber, and Happ all in it and kicking ass is definitely bonerworthy.
Imagine if Little & Lange pan out and join the rotation.
So according to B-Ref of the 63 Cubs first round draft picks before 2016, 42 of them made the majors, so that 66.7% "success" rate was actually higher than I expected. Those 42 players have produced 281.4 bWAR combined in the majors. Unfortunately, 109.3 of that bWAR is Palmeiro and Donaldson and all of 2.9 of those wins were for the Cubs. All told the Cubs have gotten a whopping 96 bWAR total in a Cub uniform from their 63 first round picks. That's incredibly sad, and Bryant/Baez/Almora/Happ/Schwarber represent 38% of that.
Prior/Wood/Patterson/Palmeiro/Dunston/Harkey/Martz/Glanville/Orie/Derrick May/Cashner/Jerry Tab were all of the other Cubs positive value first round picks, combining for a total of 71.4 bWAR, but they were also hurt by 14 dudes who produced negative value in the majors, including some guy named Scot Thompson who was worth a whopping -4.4 bWAR.
It's almost like we should be
enjoying what we're seeing from this team.
Quote from: Oleg on May 21, 2018, 01:07:03 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 12:19:05 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 21, 2018, 09:52:26 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 08:28:14 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 21, 2018, 08:15:44 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 08:13:43 AM
He's hitting .306/.366/.388 against RHP so far this year. Small sample size but if Al is going to be average or better against RHP, and Happ/Schwarber keep hitting, let's just not even bother with the Jason Heyward thing anymore and just go with the All First Round Pick outfield until Happ becomes a utility player next year after they sign Harper.
Trade Heyward to the Nats after signing Harper. Even Stevens.
After all of the years of the Cubs first round draft picks being the saddest fucking list in history fielding a lineup that has Baez, Almora, Bryant, Schwarber, and Happ all in it and kicking ass is definitely bonerworthy.
Imagine if Little & Lange pan out and join the rotation.
So according to B-Ref of the 63 Cubs first round draft picks before 2016, 42 of them made the majors, so that 66.7% "success" rate was actually higher than I expected. Those 42 players have produced 281.4 bWAR combined in the majors. Unfortunately, 109.3 of that bWAR is Palmeiro and Donaldson and all of 2.9 of those wins were for the Cubs. All told the Cubs have gotten a whopping 96 bWAR total in a Cub uniform from their 63 first round picks. That's incredibly sad, and Bryant/Baez/Almora/Happ/Schwarber represent 38% of that.
Prior/Wood/Patterson/Palmeiro/Dunston/Harkey/Martz/Glanville/Orie/Derrick May/Cashner/Jerry Tab were all of the other Cubs positive value first round picks, combining for a total of 71.4 bWAR, but they were also hurt by 14 dudes who produced negative value in the majors, including some guy named Scot Thompson who was worth a whopping -4.4 bWAR.
It's almost like we should be enjoying what we're seeing from this team.
OH CHECK OUT THE SUPER HIPSTER RATIONAL COOL FAN WHO DOESN'T HAVE EMOTIONS AND THINKS HE'S SUPERIOR BECAUSE HE'S NOT KICKING AND SCREAMING LIKE A COKED UP CHIP CARAY AT THE END OF TWO INNINGS BECAUSE THESE MISERABLE FUCKSTICKS AND THEIR ASSHOLE MANAGER WHO CAN GO GET FUCKED AREN'T WINNING IN THE FASHION THAT'S EASIEST ON MY NERVES HOW DARE THEY WHY WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE FANS NO BUT SERIOUSLY I'M SUPER COOL AND NORMAL IN REAL LIFE THIS IS HOW I ACT ON TWITTER WHICH MAKES THINGS OKAY AND DOESN'T REFLECT POORLY ON ME WHATSOEVER YOU CAN GO GET FUCKED SUPER RATIONAL FAN OR I'LL JUST FUCKING BLOCK YOU
DPD.
I do enjoy the bumping of these years-old threads since I automatically go the beginning and see just how fucking stupid we all are.
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on May 21, 2018, 01:26:59 PM
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Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 08:28:14 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 21, 2018, 08:15:44 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 08:13:43 AM
He's hitting .306/.366/.388 against RHP so far this year. Small sample size but if Al is going to be average or better against RHP, and Happ/Schwarber keep hitting, let's just not even bother with the Jason Heyward thing anymore and just go with the All First Round Pick outfield until Happ becomes a utility player next year after they sign Harper.
Trade Heyward to the Nats after signing Harper. Even Stevens.
After all of the years of the Cubs first round draft picks being the saddest fucking list in history fielding a lineup that has Baez, Almora, Bryant, Schwarber, and Happ all in it and kicking ass is definitely bonerworthy.
Imagine if Little & Lange pan out and join the rotation.
So according to B-Ref of the 63 Cubs first round draft picks before 2016, 42 of them made the majors, so that 66.7% "success" rate was actually higher than I expected. Those 42 players have produced 281.4 bWAR combined in the majors. Unfortunately, 109.3 of that bWAR is Palmeiro and Donaldson and all of 2.9 of those wins were for the Cubs. All told the Cubs have gotten a whopping 96 bWAR total in a Cub uniform from their 63 first round picks. That's incredibly sad, and Bryant/Baez/Almora/Happ/Schwarber represent 38% of that.
Prior/Wood/Patterson/Palmeiro/Dunston/Harkey/Martz/Glanville/Orie/Derrick May/Cashner/Jerry Tab were all of the other Cubs positive value first round picks, combining for a total of 71.4 bWAR, but they were also hurt by 14 dudes who produced negative value in the majors, including some guy named Scot Thompson who was worth a whopping -4.4 bWAR.
It's almost like we should be enjoying what we're seeing from this team.
OH CHECK OUT THE SUPER HIPSTER RATIONAL COOL FAN WHO DOESN'T HAVE EMOTIONS AND THINKS HE'S SUPERIOR BECAUSE HE'S NOT KICKING AND SCREAMING LIKE A COKED UP CHIP CARAY AT THE END OF TWO INNINGS BECAUSE THESE MISERABLE FUCKSTICKS AND THEIR ASSHOLE MANAGER WHO CAN GO GET FUCKED AREN'T WINNING IN THE FASHION THAT'S EASIEST ON MY NERVES HOW DARE THEY WHY WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE FANS NO BUT SERIOUSLY I'M SUPER COOL AND NORMAL IN REAL LIFE THIS IS HOW I ACT ON TWITTER WHICH MAKES THINGS OKAY AND DOESN'T REFLECT POORLY ON ME WHATSOEVER YOU CAN GO GET FUCKED SUPER RATIONAL FAN OR I'LL JUST FUCKING BLOCK YOU
This is pretty good, but I would never insist that my twitter account doesn't reflect poorly on me in real life. Having a twitter account at all reflects poorly, actually.
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on May 21, 2018, 01:27:57 PM
DPD.
I do enjoy the bumping of these years-old threads since I automatically go the beginning and see just how fucking stupid we all are.
Dude...
Quote from: InternetApex on July 07, 2014, 04:38:27 PM
In 2016, the Cubs will be a really good team. And they'll need a 4th outfielder. Boner. Time.
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DPD.
I do enjoy the bumping of these years-old threads since I automatically go the beginning and see just how fucking stupid we all are.
Dude...
Quote from: InternetApex on July 07, 2014, 04:38:27 PM
In 2016, the Cubs will be a really good team. And they'll need a 4th outfielder. Boner. Time.
I've always said Apex was the only smart one. I said it at least once. I may have thought it. He's not the dumbest one, at least.
Almora has definitely been the biggest surprise of all of the Cubs young players because it's pretty hard to find a dude who was as bad as he was his first go-round in AA and ended up being a solid major league hitter. It really is amazing to go from an organization that couldn't teach Corey Patterson or Shawon Dunston how to make a single goddamn adjustment to seeing how they've turned Kris Bryant from Troy Glaus into Joey Votto, cut Javy down from a 40% K to a 20% K guy, apparently fixed the whole in Schwarber's swing, etc. There's not a lot of historical comps for the kinds of changes they've been able to get guys to make.
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 02:01:48 PM
Almora has definitely been the biggest surprise of all of the Cubs young players because it's pretty hard to find a dude who was as bad as he was his first go-round in AA and ended up being a solid major league hitter. It really is amazing to go from an organization that couldn't teach Corey Patterson or Shawon Dunston how to make a single goddamn adjustment to seeing how they've turned Kris Bryant from Troy Glaus into Joey Votto, cut Javy down from a 40% K to a 20% K guy, apparently fixed the whole in Schwarber's swing, etc. There's not a lot of historical comps for the kinds of changes they've been able to get guys to make.
Also converting WillyCon into a beast catcher. if Jim Hendry were still in charge, I feel like Contreras would be out of baseball by now.
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on May 21, 2018, 02:07:58 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 02:01:48 PM
Almora has definitely been the biggest surprise of all of the Cubs young players because it's pretty hard to find a dude who was as bad as he was his first go-round in AA and ended up being a solid major league hitter. It really is amazing to go from an organization that couldn't teach Corey Patterson or Shawon Dunston how to make a single goddamn adjustment to seeing how they've turned Kris Bryant from Troy Glaus into Joey Votto, cut Javy down from a 40% K to a 20% K guy, apparently fixed the whole in Schwarber's swing, etc. There's not a lot of historical comps for the kinds of changes they've been able to get guys to make.
Also converting WillyCon into a beast catcher. if Jim Hendry were still in charge, I feel like Contreras would be out of baseball by now.
Quite possible. Not to mention Rizzo going from a guy we once hoped would be the next Adam LaRoche to Anthony Goddamn Rizzo.
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 02:14:56 PM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on May 21, 2018, 02:07:58 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 02:01:48 PM
Almora has definitely been the biggest surprise of all of the Cubs young players because it's pretty hard to find a dude who was as bad as he was his first go-round in AA and ended up being a solid major league hitter. It really is amazing to go from an organization that couldn't teach Corey Patterson or Shawon Dunston how to make a single goddamn adjustment to seeing how they've turned Kris Bryant from Troy Glaus into Joey Votto, cut Javy down from a 40% K to a 20% K guy, apparently fixed the whole in Schwarber's swing, etc. There's not a lot of historical comps for the kinds of changes they've been able to get guys to make.
Also converting WillyCon into a beast catcher. if Jim Hendry were still in charge, I feel like Contreras would be out of baseball by now.
Quite possible. Not to mention Rizzo going from a guy we once hoped would be the next Adam LaRoche to Anthony Goddamn Rizzo.
Player ARSS 2018 wRC+ = 99
Player AR1B 2018 wRC+ = 79
Player AACF 2018 wRC+ = 121
Guess who's who.
/stickpoke
Quote from: Oleg on May 21, 2018, 04:27:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 02:14:56 PM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on May 21, 2018, 02:07:58 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 02:01:48 PM
Almora has definitely been the biggest surprise of all of the Cubs young players because it's pretty hard to find a dude who was as bad as he was his first go-round in AA and ended up being a solid major league hitter. It really is amazing to go from an organization that couldn't teach Corey Patterson or Shawon Dunston how to make a single goddamn adjustment to seeing how they've turned Kris Bryant from Troy Glaus into Joey Votto, cut Javy down from a 40% K to a 20% K guy, apparently fixed the whole in Schwarber's swing, etc. There's not a lot of historical comps for the kinds of changes they've been able to get guys to make.
Also converting WillyCon into a beast catcher. if Jim Hendry were still in charge, I feel like Contreras would be out of baseball by now.
Quite possible. Not to mention Rizzo going from a guy we once hoped would be the next Adam LaRoche to Anthony Goddamn Rizzo.
Player ARSS 2018 wRC+ = 99
Player AR1B 2018 wRC+ = 79
Player AACF 2018 wRC+ = 121
Guess who's who.
/stickpoke
I'm not unreasonable. Tony is allowed a month of slumping after years of being an offensive force. Russell only being a touch below league average in year four of being below average deserves no such benefit of the doubt
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 04:44:32 PM
Quote from: Oleg on May 21, 2018, 04:27:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 02:14:56 PM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on May 21, 2018, 02:07:58 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 02:01:48 PM
Almora has definitely been the biggest surprise of all of the Cubs young players because it's pretty hard to find a dude who was as bad as he was his first go-round in AA and ended up being a solid major league hitter. It really is amazing to go from an organization that couldn't teach Corey Patterson or Shawon Dunston how to make a single goddamn adjustment to seeing how they've turned Kris Bryant from Troy Glaus into Joey Votto, cut Javy down from a 40% K to a 20% K guy, apparently fixed the whole in Schwarber's swing, etc. There's not a lot of historical comps for the kinds of changes they've been able to get guys to make.
Also converting WillyCon into a beast catcher. if Jim Hendry were still in charge, I feel like Contreras would be out of baseball by now.
Quite possible. Not to mention Rizzo going from a guy we once hoped would be the next Adam LaRoche to Anthony Goddamn Rizzo.
Player ARSS 2018 wRC+ = 99
Player AR1B 2018 wRC+ = 79
Player AACF 2018 wRC+ = 121
Guess who's who.
/stickpoke
I'm not unreasonable. Tony is allowed a month of slumping after years of being an offensive force. Russell only being a touch below league average in year four of being below average deserves no such benefit of the doubt
I'm just messing around. Aside from last year's cliff, Russell has been only slightly below average offensively while still putting up about a 3 fWAR. We should probably expect more but he certainly doesn't suck.
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 02:01:48 PM
Almora has definitely been the biggest surprise of all of the Cubs young players because it's pretty hard to find a dude who was as bad as he was his first go-round in AA and ended up being a solid major league hitter. It really is amazing to go from an organization that couldn't teach Corey Patterson or Shawon Dunston how to make a single goddamn adjustment to seeing how they've turned Kris Bryant from Troy Glaus into Joey Votto, cut Javy down from a 40% K to a 20% K guy, apparently fixed the whole in Schwarber's swing, etc. There's not a lot of historical comps for the kinds of changes they've been able to get guys to make.
The whole whole?
Quote from: Oleg on May 21, 2018, 04:52:48 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 04:44:32 PM
Quote from: Oleg on May 21, 2018, 04:27:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 02:14:56 PM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on May 21, 2018, 02:07:58 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 02:01:48 PM
Almora has definitely been the biggest surprise of all of the Cubs young players because it's pretty hard to find a dude who was as bad as he was his first go-round in AA and ended up being a solid major league hitter. It really is amazing to go from an organization that couldn't teach Corey Patterson or Shawon Dunston how to make a single goddamn adjustment to seeing how they've turned Kris Bryant from Troy Glaus into Joey Votto, cut Javy down from a 40% K to a 20% K guy, apparently fixed the whole in Schwarber's swing, etc. There's not a lot of historical comps for the kinds of changes they've been able to get guys to make.
Also converting WillyCon into a beast catcher. if Jim Hendry were still in charge, I feel like Contreras would be out of baseball by now.
Quite possible. Not to mention Rizzo going from a guy we once hoped would be the next Adam LaRoche to Anthony Goddamn Rizzo.
Player ARSS 2018 wRC+ = 99
Player AR1B 2018 wRC+ = 79
Player AACF 2018 wRC+ = 121
Guess who's who.
/stickpoke
I'm not unreasonable. Tony is allowed a month of slumping after years of being an offensive force. Russell only being a touch below league average in year four of being below average deserves no such benefit of the doubt
I'm just messing around. Aside from last year's cliff, Russell has been only slightly below average offensively while still putting up about a 3 fWAR. We should probably expect more but he certainly doesn't suck.
Well shit if throwing out an entire bad season raises him to only slightly below average then he's great
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 06:42:36 PM
Quote from: Oleg on May 21, 2018, 04:52:48 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 04:44:32 PM
Quote from: Oleg on May 21, 2018, 04:27:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 02:14:56 PM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on May 21, 2018, 02:07:58 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 02:01:48 PM
Almora has definitely been the biggest surprise of all of the Cubs young players because it's pretty hard to find a dude who was as bad as he was his first go-round in AA and ended up being a solid major league hitter. It really is amazing to go from an organization that couldn't teach Corey Patterson or Shawon Dunston how to make a single goddamn adjustment to seeing how they've turned Kris Bryant from Troy Glaus into Joey Votto, cut Javy down from a 40% K to a 20% K guy, apparently fixed the whole in Schwarber's swing, etc. There's not a lot of historical comps for the kinds of changes they've been able to get guys to make.
Also converting WillyCon into a beast catcher. if Jim Hendry were still in charge, I feel like Contreras would be out of baseball by now.
Quite possible. Not to mention Rizzo going from a guy we once hoped would be the next Adam LaRoche to Anthony Goddamn Rizzo.
Player ARSS 2018 wRC+ = 99
Player AR1B 2018 wRC+ = 79
Player AACF 2018 wRC+ = 121
Guess who's who.
/stickpoke
I'm not unreasonable. Tony is allowed a month of slumping after years of being an offensive force. Russell only being a touch below league average in year four of being below average deserves no such benefit of the doubt
I'm just messing around. Aside from last year's cliff, Russell has been only slightly below average offensively while still putting up about a 3 fWAR. We should probably expect more but he certainly doesn't suck.
Well shit if throwing out an entire bad season raises him to only slightly below average then he's great
Cool, cool.
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 01:56:20 PM
Quote from: Oleg on May 21, 2018, 01:54:06 PM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on May 21, 2018, 01:27:57 PM
DPD.
I do enjoy the bumping of these years-old threads since I automatically go the beginning and see just how fucking stupid we all are.
Dude...
Quote from: InternetApex on July 07, 2014, 04:38:27 PM
In 2016, the Cubs will be a really good team. And they'll need a 4th outfielder. Boner. Time.
I've always said Apex was the only smart one. I said it at least once. I may have thought it. He's not the dumbest one, at least.
He's our "Magic Negro".
Quote from: Bort on May 21, 2018, 05:27:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 21, 2018, 02:01:48 PM
Almora has definitely been the biggest surprise of all of the Cubs young players because it's pretty hard to find a dude who was as bad as he was his first go-round in AA and ended up being a solid major league hitter. It really is amazing to go from an organization that couldn't teach Corey Patterson or Shawon Dunston how to make a single goddamn adjustment to seeing how they've turned Kris Bryant from Troy Glaus into Joey Votto, cut Javy down from a 40% K to a 20% K guy, apparently fixed the whole in Schwarber's swing, etc. There's not a lot of historical comps for the kinds of changes they've been able to get guys to make.
The whole whole?
Thank you.
It's the first of July, and the National League's leading hitter is our flashy young center fielder.
What a time to be alive.
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on July 01, 2018, 11:10:49 AM
It's the first of July, and the National League's leading hitter is our flashy young center fielder.
What a time to be alive.
*sadly folds up and puts away Damon Buford shirsey*