For Slak.
Quote from: CT III on April 11, 2009, 09:13:58 PM
For Slak.
I'm still working off the boner from the late heroics. Maybe I'll say something about Nea...nah. Not tonight.
Marmol Closer; Gregg Set-Up
MCGS
That or "Gregg Lake Michigan".
This bullpen is fine. Calm your happy asses down.
Quote from: Simmer on April 11, 2009, 11:09:08 PM
Marmol Closer; Gregg Set-Up
MCGS
That or "Gregg Lake Michigan".
GLM!
Quote from: Slakee on April 12, 2009, 10:34:30 PM
Quote from: Simmer on April 11, 2009, 11:09:08 PM
Marmol Closer; Gregg Set-Up
MCGS
That or "Gregg Lake Michigan".
GLM!
Beat me to the punch. Lake Michigan REPRESENT!
It's ok. It's ok. It's... fuck.
Neil Cotts sucks. I'm not even sure he can beat his meat with his left hand competently.
Fuck Notre Dame
Quote from: IrishYeti on April 16, 2009, 03:10:47 PM
Fuck Notre Dame
Don't worry. Lou will kill him with his bare hands before long and he'll be replaced by, uh, another Notre Dame guy.
And the final member of Triumvirate of Fail makes his appearance. Here comes Cotts.
These fuckers had better quit walking people or Lou is gonna kill somebody. Just throw strikes.
Quote from: Dave B on April 16, 2009, 03:39:08 PM
These fuckers had better quit walking people or Lou is gonna kill somebody. Just throw strikes.
I'd be ok with Lou killing a few people.
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on April 16, 2009, 03:13:25 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on April 16, 2009, 03:10:47 PM
Fuck Notre Dame
Don't worry. Lou will kill him with his bare hands before long and he'll be replaced by, uh, another Notre Dame guy.
Like Brad Lidge? Yeah, that'd suck.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on April 16, 2009, 03:44:47 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on April 16, 2009, 03:13:25 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on April 16, 2009, 03:10:47 PM
Fuck Notre Dame
Don't worry. Lou will kill him with his bare hands before long and he'll be replaced by, uh, another Notre Dame guy.
Like Brad Lidge? Yeah, that'd suck.
I was thinking of Samarjeixkeikeuds=sa
Nice to know there is only one MLB-level pitcher out in the pen.
Nice work Jim.
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on April 16, 2009, 03:56:29 PM
Nice to know there is only one MLB-level pitcher out in the pen.
Nice work Jim.
There's always Jeff Stevens, Chris Archer and John Gaub.
Unrelated, but I can't understand a single damn word Mike Shannon says (I somehow wandered over to the St. Louis broadcast). Seriously.
Is this normal, or am I having a stroke? Both?
Quote from: Indolent Reader on April 16, 2009, 04:15:07 PM
Unrelated, but I can't understand a single damn word Mike Shannon says (I somehow wandered over to the St. Louis broadcast). Seriously.
Is this normal, or am I having a stroke? Both?
He's usually drunk on the air.
Hell, he's usually drunk off the air. Ask him about how he helped Josh Hancock get to his car that night.
My God. He just mumbles and swallows the end of every sentence.
AAA call-up candidates: Jeff Samardzija, Jose Ascanio, Jeff Stevens, Chad Fox's severed arm, Greg Reinhard, Esmailin Caridad.
I had never heard of either Reinhard or Caridad before today.
I'm not pushing the panic button on the bullpen. It's too early to jump on the hate bandwagon. With baseball, things need time to evaluate, the bullpen especially. But, still, ....
Quote from: Simmer on April 16, 2009, 04:40:53 PM
AAA call-up candidates: Jeff Samardzija, Jose Ascanio, Jeff Stevens, Chad Fox's severed arm, Greg Reinhard, Esmailin Caridad.
I had never heard of either Reinhard or Caridad before today.
I'm not pushing the panic button on the bullpen. It's too early to jump on the hate bandwagon. With baseball, things need time to evaluate, the bullpen especially. But, still, ....
I'M DRIVING THE HATEMOBILE ON ANGER WHEELS!
Quote from: Kermit, B. on April 16, 2009, 04:45:27 PM
Quote from: Simmer on April 16, 2009, 04:40:53 PM
AAA call-up candidates: Jeff Samardzija, Jose Ascanio, Jeff Stevens, Chad Fox's severed arm, Greg Reinhard, Esmailin Caridad.
I had never heard of either Reinhard or Caridad before today.
I'm not pushing the panic button on the bullpen. It's too early to jump on the hate bandwagon. With baseball, things need time to evaluate, the bullpen especially. But, still, ....
I'M DRIVING THE HATEMOBILE ON ANGER WHEELS!
IT'S FUELED BY DROPS OF PERSPIRATION COLLECTED FROM HUEY. PERSPIRATION THAT ACCUMULATED WHILE HE WAS FORCED TO INTERACT WITH JOHN MURRAY. ALSO, THE STEREO'S VOLUME KNOB FELL OFF WHICH IS REALLY FRUSTRATING AT TIMES.
Quote from: ChuckD on April 16, 2009, 04:54:04 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on April 16, 2009, 04:45:27 PM
Quote from: Simmer on April 16, 2009, 04:40:53 PM
AAA call-up candidates: Jeff Samardzija, Jose Ascanio, Jeff Stevens, Chad Fox's severed arm, Greg Reinhard, Esmailin Caridad.
I had never heard of either Reinhard or Caridad before today.
I'm not pushing the panic button on the bullpen. It's too early to jump on the hate bandwagon. With baseball, things need time to evaluate, the bullpen especially. But, still, ....
I'M DRIVING THE HATEMOBILE ON ANGER WHEELS!
IT'S FUELED BY DROPS OF PERSPIRATION COLLECTED FROM HUEY. PERSPIRATION THAT ACCUMULATED WHILE HE WAS FORCED TO INTERACT WITH JOHN MURRAY. ALSO, THE STEREO'S VOLUME KNOB FELL OFF WHICH IS REALLY FRUSTRATING AT TIMES.
IT HAS GPS BUT THE DIRECTIONS ARE SPOKEN BY PRE WHO IS READING THEM FROM A WEEBS POST.
Quote from: ChuckD on April 16, 2009, 04:58:46 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 16, 2009, 04:54:04 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on April 16, 2009, 04:45:27 PM
Quote from: Simmer on April 16, 2009, 04:40:53 PM
AAA call-up candidates: Jeff Samardzija, Jose Ascanio, Jeff Stevens, Chad Fox's severed arm, Greg Reinhard, Esmailin Caridad.
I had never heard of either Reinhard or Caridad before today.
I'm not pushing the panic button on the bullpen. It's too early to jump on the hate bandwagon. With baseball, things need time to evaluate, the bullpen especially. But, still, ....
I'M DRIVING THE HATEMOBILE ON ANGER WHEELS!
IT'S FUELED BY DROPS OF PERSPIRATION COLLECTED FROM HUEY. PERSPIRATION THAT ACCUMULATED WHILE HE WAS FORCED TO INTERACT WITH JOHN MURRAY. ALSO, THE STEREO'S VOLUME KNOB FELL OFF WHICH IS REALLY FRUSTRATING AT TIMES.
IT HAS GPS BUT THE DIRECTIONS ARE SPOKEN BY PRE WHO IS READING THEM FROM A WEEBS POST.
RIDING IN THE BACK AND TELLING ME HOW TO DRIVE IS TDUBBS AT A TOTAL SAUSAGE PARTY, BRO.
Hot damn I hate the shit out of this bullpen (except for Marmot) right now, but then again
Quote from: ~Apex on April 16, 2009, 07:29:31 PMIt's only two weeks.
Quote from: RV on April 16, 2009, 08:23:52 PM
Hot damn I hate the shit out of this bullpen (except for Marmot) right now, but then again
Quote from: ~Apex on April 16, 2009, 07:29:31 PMIt's only two weeks.
Yeah, but I positive the HATEMOBILE.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on April 16, 2009, 05:17:02 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 16, 2009, 04:58:46 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 16, 2009, 04:54:04 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on April 16, 2009, 04:45:27 PM
Quote from: Simmer on April 16, 2009, 04:40:53 PM
AAA call-up candidates: Jeff Samardzija, Jose Ascanio, Jeff Stevens, Chad Fox's severed arm, Greg Reinhard, Esmailin Caridad.
I had never heard of either Reinhard or Caridad before today.
I'm not pushing the panic button on the bullpen. It's too early to jump on the hate bandwagon. With baseball, things need time to evaluate, the bullpen especially. But, still, ....
I'M DRIVING THE HATEMOBILE ON ANGER WHEELS!
IT'S FUELED BY DROPS OF PERSPIRATION COLLECTED FROM HUEY. PERSPIRATION THAT ACCUMULATED WHILE HE WAS FORCED TO INTERACT WITH JOHN MURRAY. ALSO, THE STEREO'S VOLUME KNOB FELL OFF WHICH IS REALLY FRUSTRATING AT TIMES.
IT HAS GPS BUT THE DIRECTIONS ARE SPOKEN BY PRE WHO IS READING THEM FROM A WEEBS POST.
RIDING IN THE BACK AND TELLING ME HOW TO DRIVE IS TDUBBS AT A TOTAL SAUSAGE PARTY, BRO.
WHILE YOU WERE WAITING AT THAT RED LIGHT, HE OFFERED JOHN MADDEN A RIDE BACK TO HIS BUS. OH JESUS HE JUST BROKE YOUR DOOR HANDLE AND THAT OVERSTUFFED BAG HE'S CARRYING IS FULL OF INDIAN FOOD. WHERE IS THE BUS? NOBODY KNOWS--NOT EVEN WEEBS--AND MADDEN'S STARTING TO HUNGER.
Quote from: ChuckD on April 16, 2009, 11:52:59 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on April 16, 2009, 05:17:02 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 16, 2009, 04:58:46 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 16, 2009, 04:54:04 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on April 16, 2009, 04:45:27 PM
Quote from: Simmer on April 16, 2009, 04:40:53 PM
AAA call-up candidates: Jeff Samardzija, Jose Ascanio, Jeff Stevens, Chad Fox's severed arm, Greg Reinhard, Esmailin Caridad.
I had never heard of either Reinhard or Caridad before today.
I'm not pushing the panic button on the bullpen. It's too early to jump on the hate bandwagon. With baseball, things need time to evaluate, the bullpen especially. But, still, ....
I'M DRIVING THE HATEMOBILE ON ANGER WHEELS!
IT'S FUELED BY DROPS OF PERSPIRATION COLLECTED FROM HUEY. PERSPIRATION THAT ACCUMULATED WHILE HE WAS FORCED TO INTERACT WITH JOHN MURRAY. ALSO, THE STEREO'S VOLUME KNOB FELL OFF WHICH IS REALLY FRUSTRATING AT TIMES.
IT HAS GPS BUT THE DIRECTIONS ARE SPOKEN BY PRE WHO IS READING THEM FROM A WEEBS POST.
RIDING IN THE BACK AND TELLING ME HOW TO DRIVE IS TDUBBS AT A TOTAL SAUSAGE PARTY, BRO.
WHILE YOU WERE WAITING AT THAT RED LIGHT, HE OFFERED JOHN MADDEN A RIDE BACK TO HIS BUS. OH JESUS HE JUST BROKE YOUR DOOR HANDLE AND THAT OVERSTUFFED BAG HE'S CARRYING IS FULL OF INDIAN FOOD. WHERE IS THE BUS? NOBODY KNOWS--NOT EVEN WEEBS--AND MADDEN'S STARTING TO HUNGER.
What's ginna happen when Madden starts cutting curry farts?
Quote from: Fork on April 17, 2009, 07:49:58 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 16, 2009, 11:52:59 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on April 16, 2009, 05:17:02 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 16, 2009, 04:58:46 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 16, 2009, 04:54:04 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on April 16, 2009, 04:45:27 PM
Quote from: Simmer on April 16, 2009, 04:40:53 PM
AAA call-up candidates: Jeff Samardzija, Jose Ascanio, Jeff Stevens, Chad Fox's severed arm, Greg Reinhard, Esmailin Caridad.
I had never heard of either Reinhard or Caridad before today.
I'm not pushing the panic button on the bullpen. It's too early to jump on the hate bandwagon. With baseball, things need time to evaluate, the bullpen especially. But, still, ....
I'M DRIVING THE HATEMOBILE ON ANGER WHEELS!
IT'S FUELED BY DROPS OF PERSPIRATION COLLECTED FROM HUEY. PERSPIRATION THAT ACCUMULATED WHILE HE WAS FORCED TO INTERACT WITH JOHN MURRAY. ALSO, THE STEREO'S VOLUME KNOB FELL OFF WHICH IS REALLY FRUSTRATING AT TIMES.
IT HAS GPS BUT THE DIRECTIONS ARE SPOKEN BY PRE WHO IS READING THEM FROM A WEEBS POST.
RIDING IN THE BACK AND TELLING ME HOW TO DRIVE IS TDUBBS AT A TOTAL SAUSAGE PARTY, BRO.
WHILE YOU WERE WAITING AT THAT RED LIGHT, HE OFFERED JOHN MADDEN A RIDE BACK TO HIS BUS. OH JESUS HE JUST BROKE YOUR DOOR HANDLE AND THAT OVERSTUFFED BAG HE'S CARRYING IS FULL OF INDIAN FOOD. WHERE IS THE BUS? NOBODY KNOWS--NOT EVEN WEEBS--AND MADDEN'S STARTING TO HUNGER.
What's ginna happen when Madden starts cutting curry farts?
The people in the immediate vicinity will experience an unpleasant smell.
Quote from: Eli on April 17, 2009, 08:41:00 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 17, 2009, 07:49:58 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 16, 2009, 11:52:59 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on April 16, 2009, 05:17:02 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 16, 2009, 04:58:46 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 16, 2009, 04:54:04 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on April 16, 2009, 04:45:27 PM
Quote from: Simmer on April 16, 2009, 04:40:53 PM
AAA call-up candidates: Jeff Samardzija, Jose Ascanio, Jeff Stevens, Chad Fox's severed arm, Greg Reinhard, Esmailin Caridad.
I had never heard of either Reinhard or Caridad before today.
I'm not pushing the panic button on the bullpen. It's too early to jump on the hate bandwagon. With baseball, things need time to evaluate, the bullpen especially. But, still, ....
I'M DRIVING THE HATEMOBILE ON ANGER WHEELS!
IT'S FUELED BY DROPS OF PERSPIRATION COLLECTED FROM HUEY. PERSPIRATION THAT ACCUMULATED WHILE HE WAS FORCED TO INTERACT WITH JOHN MURRAY. ALSO, THE STEREO'S VOLUME KNOB FELL OFF WHICH IS REALLY FRUSTRATING AT TIMES.
IT HAS GPS BUT THE DIRECTIONS ARE SPOKEN BY PRE WHO IS READING THEM FROM A WEEBS POST.
RIDING IN THE BACK AND TELLING ME HOW TO DRIVE IS TDUBBS AT A TOTAL SAUSAGE PARTY, BRO.
WHILE YOU WERE WAITING AT THAT RED LIGHT, HE OFFERED JOHN MADDEN A RIDE BACK TO HIS BUS. OH JESUS HE JUST BROKE YOUR DOOR HANDLE AND THAT OVERSTUFFED BAG HE'S CARRYING IS FULL OF INDIAN FOOD. WHERE IS THE BUS? NOBODY KNOWS--NOT EVEN WEEBS--AND MADDEN'S STARTING TO HUNGER.
What's ginna happen when Madden starts cutting curry farts?
The people in the immediate vicinity will experience an unpleasant smell.
define "immediate".
Details, dammit, I need DETAILS!!!
I AM SO PISSED THAT THE HATEMOBILE FORGOT TO PICK ME UP THIS MORNING! I HAD HITCH A RIDE ON PANK'S BUS! THE ELEVATOR ON THE SIDE WAS COOL, BUT NOW I HAVE CHEERIOS IN MY HAIR AND A BRUISE FROM A SPECIAL OLYMPICS BOWLING MEDAL THAT SOMEONE THREW AT ME!!!!!!!!!!
Kevin Gregg just shit his pants and doesn't know why.
This Dave Smith Kevin Gregg guy should get the jorb done. No problem.
Neal fucking Cotts.
Quote from: hammerman on April 18, 2009, 04:47:43 PM
Neal fucking Cotts.
8 pitches. All balls.
Time to fire up the Greyhound to Des Moines.
(http://www.desipio.com/images/cotts-bus.jpg)
Or just cut his ass. Whatever.
Quote from: MAD on April 18, 2009, 06:51:40 PM
Quote from: hammerman on April 18, 2009, 04:47:43 PM
Neal fucking Cotts.
8 pitches. All balls.
Time to fire up the Greyhound to Des Moines.
(http://www.desipio.com/images/cotts-bus.jpg)
Or just cut his ass. Whatever.
After the first three didn't we all know what the next five would be?
Kevin Gregg was definitly the balls yesterday. Maybe people will stop trying to toss him out after a week now >.>
Quote from: EVILteddie on April 19, 2009, 05:34:23 AM
Kevin Gregg was definitly the balls yesterday. Maybe people will stop trying to toss him out after a week now >.>
That was
one good outing out of 6. Did he do good yesterday? Yeah. Is it enough to merit me not wanting him to headbutt a moving bus. No.
You know what he showed me? The ability to do the job, which makes me hate him more for not doing it in the 5 previous tries.
Yesterday's game managed to make me not hate Gregg and Miles. On the other hand, the Cotts and Gathwrong Wrath-O-Meters are at danger levels.
Quote from: RV on April 19, 2009, 11:32:23 AM
Yesterday's game managed to make me not hate Gregg and Miles. On the other hand, the Cotts and Gathwrong Wrath-O-Meters are at danger levels.
I have no real beef with Gathright because I expect him to suck. He has 3 full at bats now, maybe? That's fine with me.
Cotts on the other hand, would be wise to just retire to save himself future embarrassment.
Quote from: Slakee on April 19, 2009, 11:40:39 AM
Quote from: RV on April 19, 2009, 11:32:23 AM
Yesterday's game managed to make me not hate Gregg and Miles. On the other hand, the Cotts and Gathwrong Wrath-O-Meters are at danger levels.
I have no real beef with Gathright because I expect him to suck. He has 3 full at bats now, maybe? That's fine with me.
Cotts on the other hand, would be wise to just retire to save himself future embarrassment.
Yeah I guess I don't hate Gathright, just the idea that he's on the team instead of someone who can actually hit. Maybe he'll hit .300 again like he did a couple years ago and steal bases as efficiently as he did last year and I won't have to loathe him.
One thing I noticed with Gregg yesterday, is that it looked like his throwing motion was starting earlier, instead of hiking his arm straight up in the air right away. As a result, his fastballs had better location and movement, an improvement over being SPIKED straight into the effin' ground.
When his arm starts behind him, instead of at ear-level, his release point is earlier. That's what we want him to stick with. When he's doing that "ear-level" bullshit, his release point is very near his shoelaces.
If Larry Rothschild is in any way responsible for this adjustment in his mechanics, I will begin to question the world that I live in.
Quote from: Simmer on April 19, 2009, 05:12:51 PM
One thing I noticed with Gregg yesterday, is that it looked like his throwing motion was starting earlier, instead of hiking his arm straight up in the air right away. As a result, his fastballs had better location and movement, an improvement over being SPIKED straight into the effin' ground.
When his arm starts behind him, instead of at ear-level, his release point is earlier. That's what we want him to stick with. When he's doing that "ear-level" bullshit, his release point is very near his shoelaces.
If Larry Rothschild is in any way responsible for this adjustment in his mechanics, I will begin to question the world that I live in.
It was Dave Duncan. He's not selfish enough to keep his brilliance to just one team.
Quote from: Slakee on April 19, 2009, 11:40:39 AM
Quote from: RV on April 19, 2009, 11:32:23 AM
Yesterday's game managed to make me not hate Gregg and Miles. On the other hand, the Cotts and Gathwrong Wrath-O-Meters are at danger levels.
I have no real beef with Gathright because I expect him to suck. He has 3 full at bats now, maybe? That's fine with me.
Cotts on the other hand, would be wise to just retire to save himself future embarrassment.
Or a serious face-punching by Lou. This bullpen can't be good for his heart.
Quote from: RV on April 19, 2009, 11:32:23 AM
Yesterday's game managed to make me not hate Gregg and Miles. On the other hand, the Cotts and Gathwrong Wrath-O-Meters are at danger levels.
Gathwright pinch hitting was the suckfest I thought it was going to be when I saw him in the on deck circle.
Also, my Gregg hatred has abated.
Neal Cotts: not dead yet. (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/04/chicago-cubs-jeff-samardzija-milton-bradley.html)
QuoteThe Cubs will call up Jeff Samardzija from Triple-A Iowa on Thursday to join the bullpen, general manager Jim Hendry said Wednesday.
Neal Cotts is in no danger of being optioned, and Hendry said Sean Marshall will remain in the rotation. This could mean Luis Vizcaino is in danger of being released.
Milton Bradley is back in right field tonight. We'll have more later after Lou Piniella talks to the media.
Quote from: RV on April 22, 2009, 04:41:29 PM
Neal Cotts: not dead yet. (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/04/chicago-cubs-jeff-samardzija-milton-bradley.html)
QuoteThe Cubs will call up Jeff Samardzija from Triple-A Iowa on Thursday to join the bullpen, general manager Jim Hendry said Wednesday.
Neal Cotts is in no danger of being optioned, and Hendry said Sean Marshall will remain in the rotation. This could mean Luis Vizcaino is in danger of being released.
Milton Bradley is back in right field tonight. We'll have more later after Lou Piniella talks to the media.
If Luis Vizcaino is released and Domer Eyechart is recalled, I will be older than every single Chicago Cub.
Quote from: RV on April 22, 2009, 04:41:29 PM
Neal Cotts: not dead yet. (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/04/chicago-cubs-jeff-samardzija-milton-bradley.html)
QuoteThe Cubs will call up Jeff Samardzija from Triple-A Iowa on Thursday to join the bullpen, general manager Jim Hendry said Wednesday.
Neal Cotts is in no danger of being optioned, and Hendry said Sean Marshall will remain in the rotation. This could mean Luis Vizcaino is in danger of being released.
Milton Bradley is back in right field tonight. We'll have more later after Lou Piniella talks to the media.
I kind of feel bad for Vizcaino. I mean, I know the guy sucks, and I was all prepared to hate him and all, but his performance so far this year didn't warrant it
Of course, that also probably means he was due to explode like most of the bums who have worn #51 (Terry Adams, Mel Rojas, Brian Williams etc...)
Quote from: RV on April 22, 2009, 04:41:29 PM
Neal Cotts: not dead yet. (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/04/chicago-cubs-jeff-samardzija-milton-bradley.html)
QuoteThe Cubs will call up Jeff Samardzija from Triple-A Iowa on Thursday to join the bullpen, general manager Jim Hendry said Wednesday.
Neal Cotts is in no danger of being optioned, and Hendry said Sean Marshall will remain in the rotation. This could mean Luis Vizcaino is in danger of being released.
Milton Bradley is back in right field tonight. We'll have more later after Lou Piniella talks to the media.
Neal Cotts serves no fucking purpose. Whatever potential benefit his left-handedness brings is destroyed by the fact that he can't throw a fucking strike.
Quote from: EVILteddie on April 19, 2009, 05:34:23 AM
Kevin Gregg was definitly the balls yesterday. Maybe people will stop trying to toss him out after a week now >.>
~@~
Now would be a good time for Cotts or Vizcaino to fall down the dugout steps. You get paid on the DL, guys. Embrace that fact.
Quote from: ChuckD on April 22, 2009, 09:33:17 PM
Quote from: EVILteddie on April 19, 2009, 05:34:23 AM
Kevin Gregg was definitly the balls yesterday. Maybe people will stop trying to toss him out after a week now >.>
~@~
Yeah...about that...
Quote from: Andy on April 22, 2009, 09:38:40 PM
Now would be a good time for Cotts or Vizcaino to fall down the dugout steps. You get paid on the DL, guys. Embrace that fact.
Maybe Remlinger's recliner is still in the clubhouse.
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on April 22, 2009, 11:08:32 PM
Quote from: Andy on April 22, 2009, 09:38:40 PM
Now would be a good time for Cotts or Vizcaino to fall down the dugout steps. You get paid on the DL, guys. Embrace that fact.
Maybe Remlinger's recliner corpse is still in the clubhouse.
Kill the bastards'd.
Quote from: MAD on April 22, 2009, 04:50:31 PM
Quote from: RV on April 22, 2009, 04:41:29 PM
Neal Cotts: not dead yet. (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/04/chicago-cubs-jeff-samardzija-milton-bradley.html)
QuoteThe Cubs will call up Jeff Samardzija from Triple-A Iowa on Thursday to join the bullpen, general manager Jim Hendry said Wednesday.
Neal Cotts is in no danger of being optioned, and Hendry said Sean Marshall will remain in the rotation. This could mean Luis Vizcaino is in danger of being released.
Milton Bradley is back in right field tonight. We'll have more later after Lou Piniella talks to the media.
I kind of feel bad for Vizcaino. I mean, I know the guy sucks, and I was all prepared to hate him and all, but his performance so far this year didn't warrant it
Of course, that also probably means he was due to explode like most of the bums who have worn #51 (Terry Adams, Mel Rojas, Brian Williams etc...)
Still angry that Yellon "wrote" the book you were planning, huh?
*bump*
Joey Votto just went yard off Cotts. Why is he still on the roster?
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on April 23, 2009, 03:25:24 PM
Joey Votto just went yard off Cotts. Why is he still on the roster?
Because the Reds really like his upside.
Oh, wait...
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on April 23, 2009, 03:35:09 PM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on April 23, 2009, 03:25:24 PM
Joey Votto just went yard off Cotts. Why is he still on the roster?
Because the Reds really like his upside.
Oh, wait...
No, you're correct. I'm sure the Reds are exstatic about the upside of Cotts being on the Cubs.
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on April 23, 2009, 03:39:37 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on April 23, 2009, 03:35:09 PM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on April 23, 2009, 03:25:24 PM
Joey Votto just went yard off Cotts. Why is he still on the roster?
Because the Reds really like his upside.
Oh, wait...
No, you're correct. I'm sure the Reds are exstatic about the upside of Cotts being on the Cubs.
I really wish Lou would just go ahead and beat Cotts to death with his bare hands. I know he wants to.
Samardzija getting rocked in the 9th.
Embarrassing getting beat two out of three by this team. Four of the eight regulars are/were hitting under .200.
This team needs to wake the fuck up.
Quote from: Dave B on April 23, 2009, 03:55:52 PM
Samardzija getting rocked in the 9th.
Embarrassing getting beat two out of three by this team. Four of the eight regulars are/were hitting under .200.
This team needs to wake the fuck up.
It's April.
Quote from: MAD on April 23, 2009, 03:56:59 PM
Quote from: Dave B on April 23, 2009, 03:55:52 PM
Samardzija getting rocked in the 9th.
Embarrassing getting beat two out of three by this team. Four of the eight regulars are/were hitting under .200.
This team needs to wake the fuck up.
It's April.
They'll be 8-6 after this loss. That only puts them on pace for 93 wins. PANIC, Mike. Embrace it.
Quote from: Eli on April 23, 2009, 04:00:32 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 23, 2009, 03:56:59 PM
Quote from: Dave B on April 23, 2009, 03:55:52 PM
Samardzija getting rocked in the 9th.
Embarrassing getting beat two out of three by this team. Four of the eight regulars are/were hitting under .200.
This team needs to wake the fuck up.
It's April.
They'll be 8-6 after this loss. That only puts them on pace for 93 wins. PANIC, Mike. Embrace it.
Seriously. Is it me or have people gotten more and more impatient earlier and earlier every year? I don't know where people get off expecting this team to play flawless baseball every day for 6 months. Have most of you not been watching this sport your whole lives? Do you really expect them to go through a whole season without playing like shit from time to time?
I'm merely asking why Neal Cotts is still on any Major League roster, let alone the Cubs. I think that's a completely sane complaint. I don't expect them to go 162-0. While I hate shitty performances like the turds they laid the past two games, that happens to the best of them. Look at the Yankees. They have been atrocious, but you know that they'll be more than in the thick if things later on.
Like Mike said...it's April.
Quote from: MAD on April 23, 2009, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 23, 2009, 04:00:32 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 23, 2009, 03:56:59 PM
Quote from: Dave B on April 23, 2009, 03:55:52 PM
Samardzija getting rocked in the 9th.
Embarrassing getting beat two out of three by this team. Four of the eight regulars are/were hitting under .200.
This team needs to wake the fuck up.
It's April.
They'll be 8-6 after this loss. That only puts them on pace for 93 wins. PANIC, Mike. Embrace it.
Seriously. Is it me or have people gotten more and more impatient earlier and earlier every year? I don't know where people get off expecting this team to play flawless baseball every day for 6 months. Have most of you not been watching this sport your whole lives? Do you really expect them to go through a whole season without playing like shit from time to time for a century?
I heartily endorse tarring and feathering Neal Cotts, BTW. April or no April, that guy sucks the chrome off a trailer hitch.
I don't see any "panic" in my observations, either. It's a little more like "anger". Why shouldn't people be pissed to lose to a team in Wrigley with four of eight regulars hitting under .200 and Dusty managing? Another "lackluster" game as Lou just called it. And he's seen enough of Hoff-Power in RF, announcing that when Bradley doesn't play, he's going with Reed Johnson in CF and Fooky in right.
And is it panic to point out that the reigning Rookie of the Year is 3-30 with NO extra-base hits?
Quote from: MAD on April 23, 2009, 04:15:46 PM
I heartily endorse tarring and feathering Neal Cotts, BTW. April or no April, that guy sucks the chrome off a trailer hitch.
Oh, bravo Mike. WIN.
Quote from: Dave B on April 23, 2009, 04:17:29 PM
I don't see any "panic" in my observations, either. It's a little more like "anger". Why shouldn't people be pissed to lose to a team in Wrigley with four of eight regulars hitting under .200 and Dusty managing? Another "lackluster" game as Lou just called it. And he's seen enough of Hoff-Power in RF, announcing that when Bradley doesn't play, he's going with Reed Johnson in CF and Fooky in right.
And is it panic to point out that the reigning Rookie of the Year is 3-30 with NO extra-base hits?
But, Dave. Seriously, it's April.
Quote from: MAD on April 23, 2009, 04:09:27 PM
Seriously. Is it me or have people gotten more and more impatient earlier and earlier every year?
Actually, last year was worse in this regard.
Nevertheless...
Quote from: Bonk on April 23, 2009, 04:13:19 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 23, 2009, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 23, 2009, 04:00:32 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 23, 2009, 03:56:59 PM
Quote from: Dave B on April 23, 2009, 03:55:52 PM
Samardzija getting rocked in the 9th.
Embarrassing getting beat two out of three by this team. Four of the eight regulars are/were hitting under .200.
This team needs to wake the fuck up.
It's April.
They'll be 8-6 after this loss. That only puts them on pace for 93 wins. PANIC, Mike. Embrace it.
Seriously. Is it me or have people gotten more and more impatient earlier and earlier every year? I don't know where people get off expecting this team to play flawless baseball every day for 6 months. Have most of you not been watching this sport your whole lives? Do you really expect them to go through a whole season without playing like shit from time to time for a century?
1) I meant baseball teams in general, Bonk. Look up all of those Yankees teams through the years and you'll be sure to find some bad stretches in each of their championship seasons. Better yet, look at Lou's 2001 Mariners, who hardly did have any of these bad stretches during their season, sparing their fans the trauma of passing out on the gutless fucking fainting couch. Would you rather the Cubs spare you any angst and play flawlessly during the season and then peter out in the postseason? Would that be something you'd be interested in?
2) What does 100 years have to do with your fandom anyway? I'm 37 so I'm only carrying baggage from 1979. If anyone has a right to be pissed, it's Stew. Sadly, he's probably got more perspective than half of this fucking fanbase.
Quote from: Dave B on April 23, 2009, 04:17:29 PM
I don't see any "panic" in my observations, either. It's a little more like "anger". Why shouldn't people be pissed to lose to a team in Wrigley with four of eight regulars hitting under .200 and Dusty managing? Another "lackluster" game as Lou just called it. And he's seen enough of Hoff-Power in RF, announcing that when Bradley doesn't play, he's going with Reed Johnson in CF and Fooky in right.
And is it panic to point out that the reigning Rookie of the Year is 3-30 with NO extra-base hits?
Same dude struck out like 30 times one weekend in Washington last year, no? I'll panic when Soto's still batting .100 by Memorial Day.
As for losing to a team with half their batters batting below .200...well that just backs up my point, it being April, and the fact that many of those guys are not .200 hitters. They were going to warm up sooner or later, the timing just worked out so that it happened against the Cubs.
You'll remember that the Reds nearly took the season series from the Cubs last year, and the Cubs still won 97 games. Pace yourselves.
Quote from: MAD on April 23, 2009, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 23, 2009, 04:00:32 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 23, 2009, 03:56:59 PM
Quote from: Dave B on April 23, 2009, 03:55:52 PM
Samardzija getting rocked in the 9th.
Embarrassing getting beat two out of three by this team. Four of the eight regulars are/were hitting under .200.
This team needs to wake the fuck up.
It's April.
They'll be 8-6 after this loss. That only puts them on pace for 93 wins. PANIC, Mike. Embrace it.
Seriously. Is it me or have people gotten more and more impatient earlier and earlier every year? I don't know where people get off expecting this team to play flawless baseball every day for 6 months. Have most of you not been watching this sport your whole lives? Do you really expect them to go through a whole season without playing like shit from time to time?
Maybe it's because there is so much more coverage now with the interwebs and sportstalk radio and the booyahs nitpicking over every pitch whether it's April or October.
Quote from: MAD on April 23, 2009, 04:25:19 PM
Quote from: Bonk on April 23, 2009, 04:13:19 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 23, 2009, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 23, 2009, 04:00:32 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 23, 2009, 03:56:59 PM
Quote from: Dave B on April 23, 2009, 03:55:52 PM
Samardzija getting rocked in the 9th.
Embarrassing getting beat two out of three by this team. Four of the eight regulars are/were hitting under .200.
This team needs to wake the fuck up.
It's April.
They'll be 8-6 after this loss. That only puts them on pace for 93 wins. PANIC, Mike. Embrace it.
Seriously. Is it me or have people gotten more and more impatient earlier and earlier every year? I don't know where people get off expecting this team to play flawless baseball every day for 6 months. Have most of you not been watching this sport your whole lives? Do you really expect them to go through a whole season without playing like shit from time to time for a century?
1) I meant baseball teams in general, Bonk. Look up all of those Yankees teams through the years and you'll be sure to find some bad stretches in each of their championship seasons. Better yet, look at Lou's 2001 Mariners, who hardly did have any of these bad stretches during their season, sparing their fans the trauma of passing out on the gutless fucking fainting couch. Would you rather the Cubs spare you any angst and play flawlessly during the season and then peter out in the postseason? Would that be something you'd be interested in?
2) What does 100 years have to do with your fandom anyway? I'm 37 so I'm only carrying baggage from 1979. If anyone has a right to be pissed, it's Stew. Sadly, he's probably got more perspective than half of this fucking fanbase.
Quote from: Dave B on April 23, 2009, 04:17:29 PM
I don't see any "panic" in my observations, either. It's a little more like "anger". Why shouldn't people be pissed to lose to a team in Wrigley with four of eight regulars hitting under .200 and Dusty managing? Another "lackluster" game as Lou just called it. And he's seen enough of Hoff-Power in RF, announcing that when Bradley doesn't play, he's going with Reed Johnson in CF and Fooky in right.
And is it panic to point out that the reigning Rookie of the Year is 3-30 with NO extra-base hits?
Same dude struck out like 30 times one weekend in Washington last year, no? I'll panic when Soto's still batting .100 by Memorial Day.
As for losing to a team with half their batters batting below .200...well that just backs up my point, it being April, and the fact that many of those guys are not .200 hitters. They were going to warm up sooner or later, the timing just worked out so that it happened against the Cubs.
You'll remember that the Reds nearly took the season series from the Cubs last year, and the Cubs still won 97 games. Pace yourselves.
THIS. Also, the Reds who did the major damage in this series (Votto, Bruce, Cueto, Harang) aren't exactly slouches, so it's not as if they got beat by the Jerry Hairstons and other slapdicks on the team.
Quote from: MAD on April 23, 2009, 04:25:19 PM
Quote from: Bonk on April 23, 2009, 04:13:19 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 23, 2009, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 23, 2009, 04:00:32 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 23, 2009, 03:56:59 PM
Quote from: Dave B on April 23, 2009, 03:55:52 PM
Samardzija getting rocked in the 9th.
Embarrassing getting beat two out of three by this team. Four of the eight regulars are/were hitting under .200.
This team needs to wake the fuck up.
It's April.
They'll be 8-6 after this loss. That only puts them on pace for 93 wins. PANIC, Mike. Embrace it.
Seriously. Is it me or have people gotten more and more impatient earlier and earlier every year? I don't know where people get off expecting this team to play flawless baseball every day for 6 months. Have most of you not been watching this sport your whole lives? Do you really expect them to go through a whole season without playing like shit from time to time for a century?
1) I meant baseball teams in general, Bonk. Look up all of those Yankees teams through the years and you'll be sure to find some bad stretches in each of their championship seasons. Better yet, look at Lou's 2001 Mariners, who hardly did have any of these bad stretches during their season, sparing their fans the trauma of passing out on the gutless fucking fainting couch. Would you rather the Cubs spare you any angst and play flawlessly during the season and then peter out in the postseason? Would that be something you'd be interested in?
2) What does 100 years have to do with your fandom anyway? I'm 37 so I'm only carrying baggage from 1979. If anyone has a right to be pissed, it's Stew. Sadly, he's probably got more perspective than half of this fucking fanbase.
Quote from: Dave B on April 23, 2009, 04:17:29 PM
I don't see any "panic" in my observations, either. It's a little more like "anger". Why shouldn't people be pissed to lose to a team in Wrigley with four of eight regulars hitting under .200 and Dusty managing? Another "lackluster" game as Lou just called it. And he's seen enough of Hoff-Power in RF, announcing that when Bradley doesn't play, he's going with Reed Johnson in CF and Fooky in right.
And is it panic to point out that the reigning Rookie of the Year is 3-30 with NO extra-base hits?
Same dude struck out like 30 times one weekend in Washington last year, no? I'll panic when Soto's still batting .100 by Memorial Day.
As for losing to a team with half their batters batting below .200...well that just backs up my point, it being April, and the fact that many of those guys are not .200 hitters. They were going to warm up sooner or later, the timing just worked out so that it happened against the Cubs.
You'll remember that the Reds nearly took the season series from the Cubs last year, and the Cubs still won 97 games. Pace yourselves.
Yeah, I agree, but that's why people are pissed. Still angry about the awe-inspiring dump that the Cubs have taken in the playoffs the last two years.
That and I really, really like using the strike function.
Quote from: Dave B on April 23, 2009, 04:17:29 PM
I don't see any "panic" in my observations, either. It's a little more like "anger". Why shouldn't people be pissed to lose to a team in Wrigley with four of eight regulars hitting under .200 and Dusty managing? Another "lackluster" game as Lou just called it. And he's seen enough of Hoff-Power in RF, announcing that when Bradley doesn't play, he's going with Reed Johnson in CF and Fooky in right.
And is it panic to point out that the reigning Rookie of the Year is 3-30 with NO extra-base hits?
Well I guess the silver lining is Dr. Strangeglove won't be in RF anymore. Send him to Des Moines and let him learn to DH.
Quote from: Bonk on April 23, 2009, 04:34:38 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 23, 2009, 04:25:19 PM
Quote from: Bonk on April 23, 2009, 04:13:19 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 23, 2009, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 23, 2009, 04:00:32 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 23, 2009, 03:56:59 PM
Quote from: Dave B on April 23, 2009, 03:55:52 PM
Samardzija getting rocked in the 9th.
Embarrassing getting beat two out of three by this team. Four of the eight regulars are/were hitting under .200.
This team needs to wake the fuck up.
It's April.
They'll be 8-6 after this loss. That only puts them on pace for 93 wins. PANIC, Mike. Embrace it.
Seriously. Is it me or have people gotten more and more impatient earlier and earlier every year? I don't know where people get off expecting this team to play flawless baseball every day for 6 months. Have most of you not been watching this sport your whole lives? Do you really expect them to go through a whole season without playing like shit from time to time for a century?
1) I meant baseball teams in general, Bonk. Look up all of those Yankees teams through the years and you'll be sure to find some bad stretches in each of their championship seasons. Better yet, look at Lou's 2001 Mariners, who hardly did have any of these bad stretches during their season, sparing their fans the trauma of passing out on the gutless fucking fainting couch. Would you rather the Cubs spare you any angst and play flawlessly during the season and then peter out in the postseason? Would that be something you'd be interested in?
2) What does 100 years have to do with your fandom anyway? I'm 37 so I'm only carrying baggage from 1979. If anyone has a right to be pissed, it's Stew. Sadly, he's probably got more perspective than half of this fucking fanbase.
Quote from: Dave B on April 23, 2009, 04:17:29 PM
I don't see any "panic" in my observations, either. It's a little more like "anger". Why shouldn't people be pissed to lose to a team in Wrigley with four of eight regulars hitting under .200 and Dusty managing? Another "lackluster" game as Lou just called it. And he's seen enough of Hoff-Power in RF, announcing that when Bradley doesn't play, he's going with Reed Johnson in CF and Fooky in right.
And is it panic to point out that the reigning Rookie of the Year is 3-30 with NO extra-base hits?
Same dude struck out like 30 times one weekend in Washington last year, no? I'll panic when Soto's still batting .100 by Memorial Day.
As for losing to a team with half their batters batting below .200...well that just backs up my point, it being April, and the fact that many of those guys are not .200 hitters. They were going to warm up sooner or later, the timing just worked out so that it happened against the Cubs.
You'll remember that the Reds nearly took the season series from the Cubs last year, and the Cubs still won 97 games. Pace yourselves.
Yeah, I agree, but that's why people are pissed. Still angry about the awe-inspiring dump that the Cubs have taken in the playoffs the last two years.
Thank and I really, really like using the strike function.
Ha. Don't get me started on the playoffs. That's what I save up
my ANGER for.
Quote from: MAD on April 23, 2009, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 23, 2009, 04:00:32 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 23, 2009, 03:56:59 PM
Quote from: Dave B on April 23, 2009, 03:55:52 PM
Samardzija getting rocked in the 9th.
Embarrassing getting beat two out of three by this team. Four of the eight regulars are/were hitting under .200.
This team needs to wake the fuck up.
It's April.
They'll be 8-6 after this loss. That only puts them on pace for 93 wins. PANIC, Mike. Embrace it.
Seriously. Is it me or have people gotten more and more impatient earlier and earlier every year? I don't know where people get off expecting this team to play flawless baseball every day for 6 months. Have most of you not been watching this sport your whole lives? Do you really expect them to go through a whole season without playing like shit from time to time?
Thii.
None of this crap matters right now. None of it. In fact I almost don't care how they play. Wake me up in August.
Quote from: Slakee on April 23, 2009, 06:10:17 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 23, 2009, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 23, 2009, 04:00:32 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 23, 2009, 03:56:59 PM
Quote from: Dave B on April 23, 2009, 03:55:52 PM
Samardzija getting rocked in the 9th.
Embarrassing getting beat two out of three by this team. Four of the eight regulars are/were hitting under .200.
This team needs to wake the fuck up.
It's April.
They'll be 8-6 after this loss. That only puts them on pace for 93 wins. PANIC, Mike. Embrace it.
Seriously. Is it me or have people gotten more and more impatient earlier and earlier every year? I don't know where people get off expecting this team to play flawless baseball every day for 6 months. Have most of you not been watching this sport your whole lives? Do you really expect them to go through a whole season without playing like shit from time to time?
Thii.
None of this crap matters right now. None of it. In fact I almost don't care how they play. Wake me up in August.
It does matter and they're playing
like shit poorly.
I do care how they play now and I sure as hell don't like seeing them lose to Dusty (and our past issues) but admit it, all of us should be beyond that crap.
They will play better... but today they can go fuck themselves.
Quote from: flannj on April 23, 2009, 10:23:49 PM
Quote from: Slakee on April 23, 2009, 06:10:17 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 23, 2009, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 23, 2009, 04:00:32 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 23, 2009, 03:56:59 PM
Quote from: Dave B on April 23, 2009, 03:55:52 PM
Samardzija getting rocked in the 9th.
Embarrassing getting beat two out of three by this team. Four of the eight regulars are/were hitting under .200.
This team needs to wake the fuck up.
It's April.
They'll be 8-6 after this loss. That only puts them on pace for 93 wins. PANIC, Mike. Embrace it.
Seriously. Is it me or have people gotten more and more impatient earlier and earlier every year? I don't know where people get off expecting this team to play flawless baseball every day for 6 months. Have most of you not been watching this sport your whole lives? Do you really expect them to go through a whole season without playing like shit from time to time?
Thii.
None of this crap matters right now. None of it. In fact I almost don't care how they play. Wake me up in August.
It does matter and they're playing like shit poorly.
I do care how they play now and I sure as hell don't like seeing them lose to Dusty (and our past issues) but admit it, all of us should be beyond that crap.
They will play better... but today they can go fuck themselves.
I will co-sign on this.
Quote from: flannj on April 23, 2009, 10:23:49 PM
Quote from: Slakee on April 23, 2009, 06:10:17 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 23, 2009, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 23, 2009, 04:00:32 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 23, 2009, 03:56:59 PM
Quote from: Dave B on April 23, 2009, 03:55:52 PM
Samardzija getting rocked in the 9th.
Embarrassing getting beat two out of three by this team. Four of the eight regulars are/were hitting under .200.
This team needs to wake the fuck up.
It's April.
They'll be 8-6 after this loss. That only puts them on pace for 93 wins. PANIC, Mike. Embrace it.
Seriously. Is it me or have people gotten more and more impatient earlier and earlier every year? I don't know where people get off expecting this team to play flawless baseball every day for 6 months. Have most of you not been watching this sport your whole lives? Do you really expect them to go through a whole season without playing like shit from time to time?
Thii.
None of this crap matters right now. None of it. In fact I almost don't care how they play. Wake me up in August.
It does matter and they're playing like shit poorly.
I do care how they play now and I sure as hell don't like seeing them lose to Dusty (and our past issues) but admit it, all of us should be beyond that crap.
They will play better... but today they can go fuck themselves.
Sometimes at night after all my sports has gone down the shitter (like last night), I turn off the tv and the internet, put on some tunes and sip a strong, manly beer. The pain just melts away.
Quote from: Slakee on April 23, 2009, 10:42:05 PM
Quote from: flannj on April 23, 2009, 10:23:49 PM
Quote from: Slakee on April 23, 2009, 06:10:17 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 23, 2009, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 23, 2009, 04:00:32 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 23, 2009, 03:56:59 PM
Quote from: Dave B on April 23, 2009, 03:55:52 PM
Samardzija getting rocked in the 9th.
Embarrassing getting beat two out of three by this team. Four of the eight regulars are/were hitting under .200.
This team needs to wake the fuck up.
It's April.
They'll be 8-6 after this loss. That only puts them on pace for 93 wins. PANIC, Mike. Embrace it.
Seriously. Is it me or have people gotten more and more impatient earlier and earlier every year? I don't know where people get off expecting this team to play flawless baseball every day for 6 months. Have most of you not been watching this sport your whole lives? Do you really expect them to go through a whole season without playing like shit from time to time?
Thii.
None of this crap matters right now. None of it. In fact I almost don't care how they play. Wake me up in August.
It does matter and they're playing like shit poorly.
I do care how they play now and I sure as hell don't like seeing them lose to Dusty (and our past issues) but admit it, all of us should be beyond that crap.
They will play better... but today they can go fuck themselves.
Sometimes at night after all my sports has gone down the shitter (like last night), I turn off the tv and the internet, put on some tunes and sip a strong, manly beer. The pain just melts away.
Are you looking in my windows?
Oberon and The Blasters.
The alarm clock goes off at 4:40.
Quote from: Dave B on April 23, 2009, 04:17:29 PM
And is it panic to point out that the reigning Rookie of the Year is 3-30 with NO extra-base hits?
I'm not panicking, but I wonder if his shoulder is worse off than was previously indicated. He's still not really driving the ball, and I haven't seen his throwing get tested enough to know for sure.
The rap on Geo in his minor league career was that he didn't work the hardest and was a little out of shape. He buated his ass and had a good 2007 at Iowa and in his call-up to Chicago. He kept working hard and we know how 2008 went. With his spring training, the sore shoulder, and the 3-30 start, some could speculate that he didn't work as hard this off-season. I don't know for sure, but something doesn't seem right with him.
Quote from: Dave B on April 24, 2009, 08:36:38 AM
The rap on Geo in his minor league career was that he didn't work the hardest and was a little out of shape. He buated his ass and had a good 2007 at Iowa and in his call-up to Chicago. He kept working hard and we know how 2008 went. With his spring training, the sore shoulder, and the 3-30 start, some could speculate that he didn't work as hard this off-season. I don't know for sure, but something doesn't seem right with him.
Not to mention, with Hank on the team last year, the position of sleepy catcher had been filled.
Quote from: flannj on April 23, 2009, 10:23:49 PM
It does matter and they're playing like shit poorly.
Except that aren't playing poorly. They're 8-6, which is about exactly the rate you'd expect this team to win games (like I said yesterday, on pace for 93 wins).
Quote from: Slakee on April 23, 2009, 10:42:05 PM
Quote from: flannj on April 23, 2009, 10:23:49 PM
Quote from: Slakee on April 23, 2009, 06:10:17 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 23, 2009, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 23, 2009, 04:00:32 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 23, 2009, 03:56:59 PM
Quote from: Dave B on April 23, 2009, 03:55:52 PM
Samardzija getting rocked in the 9th.
Embarrassing getting beat two out of three by this team. Four of the eight regulars are/were hitting under .200.
This team needs to wake the fuck up.
It's April.
They'll be 8-6 after this loss. That only puts them on pace for 93 wins. PANIC, Mike. Embrace it.
Seriously. Is it me or have people gotten more and more impatient earlier and earlier every year? I don't know where people get off expecting this team to play flawless baseball every day for 6 months. Have most of you not been watching this sport your whole lives? Do you really expect them to go through a whole season without playing like shit from time to time?
Thii.
None of this crap matters right now. None of it. In fact I almost don't care how they play. Wake me up in August.
It does matter and they're playing like shit poorly.
I do care how they play now and I sure as hell don't like seeing them lose to Dusty (and our past issues) but admit it, all of us should be beyond that crap.
They will play better... but today they can go fuck themselves.
Sometimes at night after all my sports has gone down the shitter (like last night), I turn off the tv and the internet, put on some tunes and sip a strong, manly beer. The pain just melts away.
Why'd you turn the interweb off? There's good "relief" available on the internet, too.
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2009, 08:46:48 AM
Quote from: flannj on April 23, 2009, 10:23:49 PM
It does matter and they're playing like shit poorly.
Except that aren't playing poorly. They're 8-6, which is about exactly the rate you'd expect this team to win games (like I said yesterday, on pace for 93 wins).
I was referring to the last 2 games.
And like I said they will play better.
And it's nice outside, and I'm going to cut out of work early, and I'm not drunk and angry right now.
A new fucking day!
I think some of them are playing poorly. Hoffpauir for instance. Lou said yesterday that Reed Johnson will get the starts from now on unless Bradley is ready and able. He said they'll be looking for defense instead of trying to get more offense. I don't know about you statmankissers, but I positive the shit out of that. Our manager is steak tits.
EDIT: Oops. Wrong account.
Quote from: Apex on April 24, 2009, 09:06:49 AM
I think some of them are playing poorly. Hoffpauir for instance. Lou said yesterday that Reed Johnson will get the starts from now on unless Bradley is ready and able. He said they'll be looking for defense instead of trying to get more offense. I don't know about you statmankissers, but I positive the shit out of that. Our manager is steak tits.
Well, this statmankisser thinks Lou is acting like an ADD-riddled five-year-old. We know Hoffpauir isn't great defensively, but defense wasn't the reason the Cubs lost yesterday. I don't like the idea of benching a guy who's actually hitting pretty well so that Reed Johnson can face more right-handed pitching. If Hoffpauir keeps bumbling around out there, then maybe make a change, but c'mon. Benching him after one mistake? That's dumb.
Hope you got the reaction you were looking for.
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2009, 09:17:09 AM
Quote from: Apex on April 24, 2009, 09:06:49 AM
I think some of them are playing poorly. Hoffpauir for instance. Lou said yesterday that Reed Johnson will get the starts from now on unless Bradley is ready and able. He said they'll be looking for defense instead of trying to get more offense. I don't know about you statmankissers, but I positive the shit out of that. Our manager is steak tits.
Well, this statmankisser thinks Lou is acting like an ADD-riddled five-year-old. We know Hoffpauir isn't great defensively, but defense wasn't the reason the Cubs lost yesterday. I don't like the idea of benching a guy who's actually hitting pretty well so that Reed Johnson can face more right-handed pitching. If Hoffpauir keeps bumbling around out there, then maybe make a change, but c'mon. Benching him after one mistake? That's dumb.
Hope you got the reaction you were looking for.
Actually, it was two mistakes and they cost the Cubs three runs. He didn't drive in any so it's not like he made up for them with his bat.
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on April 24, 2009, 09:18:57 AM
Actually, it was two mistakes and they cost the Cubs three runs. He didn't drive in any so it's not like he made up for them with his bat.
Reed Johnson hasn't driven in a run all year.
Quote from: Apex on April 24, 2009, 09:06:49 AM
EDIT: Oops. Wrong account.
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Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2009, 09:22:51 AM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on April 24, 2009, 09:18:57 AM
Actually, it was two mistakes and they cost the Cubs three runs. He didn't drive in any so it's not like he made up for them with his bat.
Reed Johnson hasn't driven in a run all year.
I think the Cubs would do themselves a small favor putting Reed out there a little more for defense's sake. Who knows, really? Mr. Glass might be back sooner rather than later. We might not have to talk about who's in right much longer.
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2009, 09:22:51 AM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on April 24, 2009, 09:18:57 AM
Actually, it was two mistakes and they cost the Cubs three runs. He didn't drive in any so it's not like he made up for them with his bat.
Reed Johnson hasn't driven in a run all year.
He hasn't let any in either.
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on April 24, 2009, 10:25:33 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2009, 09:22:51 AM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on April 24, 2009, 09:18:57 AM
Actually, it was two mistakes and they cost the Cubs three runs. He didn't drive in any so it's not like he made up for them with his bat.
Reed Johnson hasn't driven in a run all year.
He hasn't let any in either.
Can we count the four he took from Prince as a net gain?
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on April 24, 2009, 11:24:10 AM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on April 24, 2009, 10:25:33 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2009, 09:22:51 AM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on April 24, 2009, 09:18:57 AM
Actually, it was two mistakes and they cost the Cubs three runs. He didn't drive in any so it's not like he made up for them with his bat.
Reed Johnson hasn't driven in a run all year.
He hasn't let any in either.
Can we count the four three he took from Prince as a net gain?
Magnifcient Tag-up and sacrafice'd
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2009, 09:17:09 AM
Quote from: Apex on April 24, 2009, 09:06:49 AM
I think some of them are playing poorly. Hoffpauir for instance. Lou said yesterday that Reed Johnson will get the starts from now on unless Bradley is ready and able. He said they'll be looking for defense instead of trying to get more offense. I don't know about you statmankissers, but I positive the shit out of that. Our manager is steak tits.
Well, this statmankisser thinks Lou is acting like an ADD-riddled five-year-old. We know Hoffpauir isn't great defensively, but defense wasn't the reason the Cubs lost yesterday. I don't like the idea of benching a guy who's actually hitting pretty well so that Reed Johnson can face more right-handed pitching. If Hoffpauir keeps bumbling around out there, then maybe make a change, but c'mon. Benching him after one mistake? That's dumb.
Hope you got the reaction you were looking for.
Yeah, thanks. That was choice. It seems that you're saying that if Mr. March continues his clown college in RF his defense might improve. He's 29. That's a stat you can make out with if you want because if he's not any good by now he's not ever going to be. So why not bench him after a professional career filled with defensive ineptitude that has until this season kept him from getting a big league gig?
QuoteIf Hoffpauir keeps bumbling around out there, then maybe make a change...
What else do you need to see?
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on April 24, 2009, 11:24:10 AM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on April 24, 2009, 10:25:33 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2009, 09:22:51 AM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on April 24, 2009, 09:18:57 AM
Actually, it was two mistakes and they cost the Cubs three runs. He didn't drive in any so it's not like he made up for them with his bat.
Reed Johnson hasn't driven in a run all year.
He hasn't let any in either.
Can we count the four he took from Prince as a net gain?
You guys are to sabermetrics what the Amish are to electricity.
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2009, 09:17:09 AM
Quote from: Apex on April 24, 2009, 09:06:49 AM
I think some of them are playing poorly. Hoffpauir for instance. Lou said yesterday that Reed Johnson will get the starts from now on unless Bradley is ready and able. He said they'll be looking for defense instead of trying to get more offense. I don't know about you statmankissers, but I positive the shit out of that. Our manager is steak tits.
Well, this statmankisser thinks Lou is acting like an ADD-riddled five-year-old. We know Hoffpauir isn't great defensively, but defense wasn't the reason the Cubs lost yesterday. I don't like the idea of benching a guy who's actually hitting pretty well so that Reed Johnson can face more right-handed pitching. If Hoffpauir keeps bumbling around out there, then maybe make a change, but c'mon. Benching him after one mistake? That's dumb.
Hope you got the reaction you were looking for.
It's not a reaction as much as it is the fucking truth.
We could so be best friends someday.
Quote from: thehawk on April 24, 2009, 11:28:13 AM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on April 24, 2009, 11:24:10 AM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on April 24, 2009, 10:25:33 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2009, 09:22:51 AM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on April 24, 2009, 09:18:57 AM
Actually, it was two mistakes and they cost the Cubs three runs. He didn't drive in any so it's not like he made up for them with his bat.
Reed Johnson hasn't driven in a run all year.
He hasn't let any in either.
Can we count the four three he took from Prince as a net gain?
Magnifcient Tag-up and sacrafice'd hat tip'd
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Quote from: Oleg on April 24, 2009, 11:36:32 AM
You guys are to sabermetrics what the Amish are to electricity.
You are to clever comparisons what Fork is to comedy.
Quote from: BH on April 24, 2009, 11:50:21 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 24, 2009, 11:36:32 AM
You guys are to sabermetrics what the Amish are to electricity.
You are to clever comparisons what Fork is to comedy.
I prefer to think of myself as comedy "historian".
Quote from: BH on April 24, 2009, 11:50:21 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 24, 2009, 11:36:32 AM
You guys are to sabermetrics what the Amish are to electricity.
You are to clever comparisons what Fork is to comedy.
So he's batting .200 with 5 prodigious dongs and 25 Ks? It's April. If he keeps bumbling around out there, we'll sit him down, maybe.
Quote from: Slakee on April 24, 2009, 11:37:12 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2009, 09:17:09 AM
Quote from: Apex on April 24, 2009, 09:06:49 AM
I think some of them are playing poorly. Hoffpauir for instance. Lou said yesterday that Reed Johnson will get the starts from now on unless Bradley is ready and able. He said they'll be looking for defense instead of trying to get more offense. I don't know about you statmankissers, but I positive the shit out of that. Our manager is steak tits.
Well, this statmankisser thinks Lou is acting like an ADD-riddled five-year-old. We know Hoffpauir isn't great defensively, but defense wasn't the reason the Cubs lost yesterday. I don't like the idea of benching a guy who's actually hitting pretty well so that Reed Johnson can face more right-handed pitching. If Hoffpauir keeps bumbling around out there, then maybe make a change, but c'mon. Benching him after one mistake? That's dumb.
Hope you got the reaction you were looking for.
It's not a reaction as much as it is the fucking truth.
We could so be best friends someday.
I was an ADD-riddled five year old once. I had an eyepatch. True story.
Quote from: Apex on April 24, 2009, 11:53:49 AM
Quote from: BH on April 24, 2009, 11:50:21 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 24, 2009, 11:36:32 AM
You guys are to sabermetrics what the Amish are to electricity.
You are to clever comparisons what Fork is to comedy.
So he's batting .200 with 5 prodigious dongs and 25 Ks? It's April. If he keeps bumbling around out there, we'll sit him down, maybe.
I don't get it after all. I'm done here.
Go Cubs or not.
Quote from: Slakee on April 24, 2009, 12:00:29 PM
Quote from: Apex on April 24, 2009, 11:53:49 AM
Quote from: BH on April 24, 2009, 11:50:21 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 24, 2009, 11:36:32 AM
You guys are to sabermetrics what the Amish are to electricity.
You are to clever comparisons what Fork is to comedy.
So he's batting .200 with 5 prodigious dongs and 25 Ks? It's April. If he keeps bumbling around out there, we'll sit him down, maybe.
I don't get it after all. I'm done here.
Go Cubs or not.
What's there to get? I'm just sayin' that Fork and Oleg may come up empty some but when they get ahold of one... They're like Adam Dunn is all I'm sayin'.
Quote from: Apex on April 24, 2009, 12:06:17 PM
Quote from: Slakee on April 24, 2009, 12:00:29 PM
Quote from: Apex on April 24, 2009, 11:53:49 AM
Quote from: BH on April 24, 2009, 11:50:21 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 24, 2009, 11:36:32 AM
You guys are to sabermetrics what the Amish are to electricity.
You are to clever comparisons what Fork is to comedy.
So he's batting .200 with 5 prodigious dongs and 25 Ks? It's April. If he keeps bumbling around out there, we'll sit him down, maybe.
I don't get it after all. I'm done here.
Go Cubs or not.
What's there to get? I'm just sayin' that Fork and Oleg may come up empty some but when they get ahold of one... They're like Adam Dunn is all I'm sayin'.
So we're fat lesbains.
Quote from: Fork on April 24, 2009, 12:10:55 PM
Quote from: Apex on April 24, 2009, 12:06:17 PM
Quote from: Slakee on April 24, 2009, 12:00:29 PM
Quote from: Apex on April 24, 2009, 11:53:49 AM
Quote from: BH on April 24, 2009, 11:50:21 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 24, 2009, 11:36:32 AM
You guys are to sabermetrics what the Amish are to electricity.
You are to clever comparisons what Fork is to comedy.
So he's batting .200 with 5 prodigious dongs and 25 Ks? It's April. If he keeps bumbling around out there, we'll sit him down, maybe.
I don't get it after all. I'm done here.
Go Cubs or not.
What's there to get? I'm just sayin' that Fork and Oleg may come up empty some but when they get ahold of one... They're like Adam Dunn is all I'm sayin'.
So we're fat lesbains.
Nothing wrong with fat lesbains.
Quote from: Apex on April 24, 2009, 12:14:52 PM
Quote from: Fork on April 24, 2009, 12:10:55 PM
Quote from: Apex on April 24, 2009, 12:06:17 PM
Quote from: Slakee on April 24, 2009, 12:00:29 PM
Quote from: Apex on April 24, 2009, 11:53:49 AM
Quote from: BH on April 24, 2009, 11:50:21 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 24, 2009, 11:36:32 AM
You guys are to sabermetrics what the Amish are to electricity.
You are to clever comparisons what Fork is to comedy.
So he's batting .200 with 5 prodigious dongs and 25 Ks? It's April. If he keeps bumbling around out there, we'll sit him down, maybe.
I don't get it after all. I'm done here.
Go Cubs or not.
What's there to get? I'm just sayin' that Fork and Oleg may come up empty some but when they get ahold of one... They're like Adam Dunn is all I'm sayin'.
So we're fat lesbains.
Nothing wrong with fat lesbains.
We're the lesbain of your existence?
Quote from: Fork on April 24, 2009, 12:24:45 PM
Quote from: Apex on April 24, 2009, 12:14:52 PM
Quote from: Fork on April 24, 2009, 12:10:55 PM
Quote from: Apex on April 24, 2009, 12:06:17 PM
Quote from: Slakee on April 24, 2009, 12:00:29 PM
Quote from: Apex on April 24, 2009, 11:53:49 AM
Quote from: BH on April 24, 2009, 11:50:21 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 24, 2009, 11:36:32 AM
You guys are to sabermetrics what the Amish are to electricity.
You are to clever comparisons what Fork is to comedy.
So he's batting .200 with 5 prodigious dongs and 25 Ks? It's April. If he keeps bumbling around out there, we'll sit him down, maybe.
I don't get it after all. I'm done here.
Go Cubs or not.
What's there to get? I'm just sayin' that Fork and Oleg may come up empty some but when they get ahold of one... They're like Adam Dunn is all I'm sayin'.
So we're fat lesbains.
Nothing wrong with fat lesbains.
We're the lesbain of your existence?
I can only hope for these things...
Maybe I just wasn't being clear. The whole idea of driving in runs as a counter to errors the lead to runs being scored is just so unbelievably dumb. It's mind-numbing. It's the opposite of the way baseball should be thought about. It's on par with Dusty saying that black players have an advantage in the sun or that walks clog the bases. It's lazy thinking.
Sorry...talk like that chaps my nutsack. Have you ever had a chapped nutsack? Doesn't feel good.
Quote from: Oleg on April 24, 2009, 01:08:18 PM
Maybe I just wasn't being clear. The whole idea of driving in runs as a counter to errors the lead to runs being scored is just so unbelievably dumb. It's mind-numbing. It's the opposite of the way baseball should be thought about. It's on par with Dusty saying that black players have an advantage in the sun or that walks clog the bases. It's lazy thinking.
Sorry...talk like that chaps my nutsack. Have you ever had a chapped nutsack? Doesn't feel good.
powen said he's got something for that.
Quote from: Apex on April 24, 2009, 01:26:55 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 24, 2009, 01:08:18 PM
Maybe I just wasn't being clear. The whole idea of driving in runs as a counter to errors the lead to runs being scored is just so unbelievably dumb. It's mind-numbing. It's the opposite of the way baseball should be thought about. It's on par with Dusty saying that black players have an advantage in the sun or that walks clog the bases. It's lazy thinking.
Sorry...talk like that chaps my nutsack. Have you ever had a chapped nutsack? Doesn't feel good.
powen said he's got something for that.
I thought you didn't post during the day anymore.
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2009, 01:36:16 PM
Quote from: Apex on April 24, 2009, 01:26:55 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 24, 2009, 01:08:18 PM
Maybe I just wasn't being clear. The whole idea of driving in runs as a counter to errors the lead to runs being scored is just so unbelievably dumb. It's mind-numbing. It's the opposite of the way baseball should be thought about. It's on par with Dusty saying that black players have an advantage in the sun or that walks clog the bases. It's lazy thinking.
Sorry...talk like that chaps my nutsack. Have you ever had a chapped nutsack? Doesn't feel good.
powen said he's got something for that.
I thought you didn't post during the day anymore.
Dammit, Apex. Did you lose yo job agin'?
And I don't think "Louisville Slugger to the nutsack" exactly cures chapped balls.
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2009, 01:36:16 PM
Quote from: Apex on April 24, 2009, 01:26:55 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 24, 2009, 01:08:18 PM
Maybe I just wasn't being clear. The whole idea of driving in runs as a counter to errors the lead to runs being scored is just so unbelievably dumb. It's mind-numbing. It's the opposite of the way baseball should be thought about. It's on par with Dusty saying that black players have an advantage in the sun or that walks clog the bases. It's lazy thinking.
Sorry...talk like that chaps my nutsack. Have you ever had a chapped nutsack? Doesn't feel good.
powen said he's got something for that.
I thought you didn't post during the day anymore.
This is a one time deal.
Quote from: Apex on April 24, 2009, 01:46:01 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2009, 01:36:16 PM
Quote from: Apex on April 24, 2009, 01:26:55 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 24, 2009, 01:08:18 PM
Maybe I just wasn't being clear. The whole idea of driving in runs as a counter to errors the lead to runs being scored is just so unbelievably dumb. It's mind-numbing. It's the opposite of the way baseball should be thought about. It's on par with Dusty saying that black players have an advantage in the sun or that walks clog the bases. It's lazy thinking.
Sorry...talk like that chaps my nutsack. Have you ever had a chapped nutsack? Doesn't feel good.
powen said he's got something for that.
I thought you didn't post during the day anymore.
This is a one time deal.
Ah, suspended without pay? I get that a lot.
Am i the only person that finds designating Vizcaino is funny? He has been the only middle reliever that hasn't given up a run yet, but Neil Cotts remains?
Quote from: EVILteddie on April 24, 2009, 03:47:26 PM
Am i the only person that finds designating Vizcaino is funny? He has been the only middle reliever that hasn't given up a run yet, but Neil Cotts remains?
I nearly peed my pants laughing about it when Cotts gave up that jack yesterday.
Quote from: Apex on April 24, 2009, 03:50:35 PM
Quote from: EVILteddie on April 24, 2009, 03:47:26 PM
Am i the only person that finds designating Vizcaino is funny? He has been the only middle reliever that hasn't given up a run yet, but Neil Cotts remains?
I nearly peed my pants laughing about it when Cotts gave up that jack yesterday.
I wish I had your restraint.
Quote from: EVILteddie on April 24, 2009, 03:47:26 PM
Am i the only person that finds designating Vizcaino is funny? He has been the only middle reliever that hasn't given up a run yet, but Neil Cotts remains?
Vizcaino still sucks.
Quote from: Tank on April 24, 2009, 03:52:08 PM
Quote from: EVILteddie on April 24, 2009, 03:47:26 PM
Am i the only person that finds designating Vizcaino is funny? He has been the only middle reliever that hasn't given up a run yet, but Neil Cotts remains?
Vizcaino still sucks.
Neal Cotts sucks more. No numbers to back that up, but just in life...
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on April 24, 2009, 03:51:56 PM
Quote from: Apex on April 24, 2009, 03:50:35 PM
Quote from: EVILteddie on April 24, 2009, 03:47:26 PM
Am i the only person that finds designating Vizcaino is funny? He has been the only middle reliever that hasn't given up a run yet, but Neil Cotts remains?
I nearly peed my pants laughing about it when Cotts gave up that jack yesterday.
I wish I had your restraint.
What, pants?
Vizcaino hasn't sucked this year, and now who knows what the fuck is up with Marmol!
David Patton. Get the fuck out of here. That Pujols homerun was very very shocking.
Is it sad that as soon as Al stepped up you knew a grand slam was coming?
Fuck you Patton, you gutless fucking asshole.
Smark down, Fox up (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/05/samardzija-down-fox-up.html).
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Fox is replacing Jeff Samardzija, who is expected to go back into the starting rotation at Iowa. He could wind up returning as a starter with Carlos Zambrano on the disabled list.
Apparently Phildo thinks that Smarkja will be ready to come back as a starter in roughly 48 hours.
Idiot.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 06, 2009, 05:17:14 PM
Smark down, Fox up (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/05/samardzija-down-fox-up.html).
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Fox is replacing Jeff Samardzija, who is expected to go back into the starting rotation at Iowa. He could wind up returning as a starter with Carlos Zambrano on the disabled list.
Apparently Phildo thinks that Smarkja will be ready to come back as a starter in roughly 48 hours.
Idiot.
He has one pitch, exactly what you want in a starter.
Quote from: BH on May 06, 2009, 05:20:55 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 06, 2009, 05:17:14 PM
Smark down, Fox up (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/05/samardzija-down-fox-up.html).
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Fox is replacing Jeff Samardzija, who is expected to go back into the starting rotation at Iowa. He could wind up returning as a starter with Carlos Zambrano on the disabled list.
Apparently Phildo thinks that Smarkja will be ready to come back as a starter in roughly 48 hours.
Idiot.
He has one pitch, exactly what you want in a starter.
Is it a knuckleball?
Quote from: PenFoe on May 06, 2009, 05:44:00 PM
Quote from: BH on May 06, 2009, 05:20:55 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 06, 2009, 05:17:14 PM
Smark down, Fox up (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/05/samardzija-down-fox-up.html).
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Fox is replacing Jeff Samardzija, who is expected to go back into the starting rotation at Iowa. He could wind up returning as a starter with Carlos Zambrano on the disabled list.
Apparently Phildo thinks that Smarkja will be ready to come back as a starter in roughly 48 hours.
Idiot.
He has one pitch, exactly what you want in a starter.
Is it a knuckleball?
It's the exterminator
Quote from: IrishYeti on May 06, 2009, 05:49:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 06, 2009, 05:44:00 PM
Quote from: BH on May 06, 2009, 05:20:55 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 06, 2009, 05:17:14 PM
Smark down, Fox up (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/05/samardzija-down-fox-up.html).
Quote
Fox is replacing Jeff Samardzija, who is expected to go back into the starting rotation at Iowa. He could wind up returning as a starter with Carlos Zambrano on the disabled list.
Apparently Phildo thinks that Smarkja will be ready to come back as a starter in roughly 48 hours.
Idiot.
He has one pitch, exactly what you want in a starter.
Is it a knuckleball?
It's the exterminator
I'm pretty sure you mean masturbator.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 06, 2009, 05:17:14 PM
Smark down, Fox up (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/05/samardzija-down-fox-up.html).
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Fox is replacing Jeff Samardzija, who is expected to go back into the starting rotation at Iowa. He could wind up returning as a starter with Carlos Zambrano on the disabled list.
Apparently Phildo thinks that Smarkja will be ready to come back as a starter in roughly 48 hours.
Idiot.
At first blush, I honestly thought you meant Jake Fox.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on May 06, 2009, 06:20:49 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 06, 2009, 05:17:14 PM
Smark down, Fox up (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/05/samardzija-down-fox-up.html).
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Fox is replacing Jeff Samardzija, who is expected to go back into the starting rotation at Iowa. He could wind up returning as a starter with Carlos Zambrano on the disabled list.
Apparently Phildo thinks that Smarkja will be ready to come back as a starter in roughly 48 hours.
Idiot.
So I guess that means BOBBY SCALES! is going back to Des Moines so Wells can come up and pitch Friday.
At first blush, I honestly thought you meant Jake Fox.
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 06, 2009, 07:49:08 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on May 06, 2009, 06:20:49 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 06, 2009, 05:17:14 PM
Smark down, Fox up (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/05/samardzija-down-fox-up.html).
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Fox is replacing Jeff Samardzija, who is expected to go back into the starting rotation at Iowa. He could wind up returning as a starter with Carlos Zambrano on the disabled list.
Apparently Phildo thinks that Smarkja will be ready to come back as a starter in roughly 48 hours.
Idiot.
At first blush, I honestly thought you meant Jake Fox.
So I guess that means BOBBY SCALES! is going back to Des Moines so Wells can come up and pitch Friday.
Unless something terrible happens to Gathright. Or Lou realizes he sucks.
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on May 06, 2009, 06:08:55 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on May 06, 2009, 05:49:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 06, 2009, 05:44:00 PM
Quote from: BH on May 06, 2009, 05:20:55 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 06, 2009, 05:17:14 PM
Smark down, Fox up (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/05/samardzija-down-fox-up.html).
Quote
Fox is replacing Jeff Samardzija, who is expected to go back into the starting rotation at Iowa. He could wind up returning as a starter with Carlos Zambrano on the disabled list.
Apparently Phildo thinks that Smarkja will be ready to come back as a starter in roughly 48 hours.
Idiot.
He has one pitch, exactly what you want in a starter.
Is it a knuckleball?
It's the exterminator
I'm pretty sure you mean masturbator.
I just did that. Anyone know what to do with sticky "b", "h", "u", "y", "7", and "num lock" keys
Can we just have a roster spot open, so that Lou is never tempted to use Chad Fox ever again?
And we really let Gaudin go and then waived Vizcaino so that Fox could ultimately be in the pen? Really?
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 07, 2009, 10:17:38 PM
Can we just have a roster spot open, so that Lou is never tempted to use Chad Fox ever again?
And we really let Gaudin go and then waived Vizcaino so that Fox could ultimately be in the pen? Really?
Really? Are you seriously going to complain about letting Gaudin and Vizcaino go?
Quote from: air2300 on May 07, 2009, 10:19:56 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 07, 2009, 10:17:38 PM
Can we just have a roster spot open, so that Lou is never tempted to use Chad Fox ever again?
And we really let Gaudin go and then waived Vizcaino so that Fox could ultimately be in the pen? Really?
Really? Are you seriously going to complain about letting Gaudin and Vizcaino go?
When the options get comparatively shittier? It's not even a "complaint," as much as it is me saying "Chad Fox really fucking sucks."
Chad Fox is by all accounts a great guy, and it's great he's come back twice from injuries....
It's a great story that would play much better in Pittsburgh or Baltimore.
Quote from: Brownie on May 07, 2009, 10:34:31 PM
Chad Fox is by all accounts a great guy, and it's great he's come back twice from injuries....
It's a great story that would play much better in Pittsburgh or Baltimore.
But would it play in Peoria?
Quote from: butthead on May 08, 2009, 12:13:00 AM
Quote from: Brownie on May 07, 2009, 10:34:31 PM
Chad Fox is by all accounts a great guy, and it's great he's come back twice from injuries....
It's a great story that would play much better in Pittsburgh or Baltimore.
But would it play in Peoria?
It would play with an ERA of about 7.
Apparently the Indians are battling (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9551390/Source:-Indians-intend-to-sign-Vizcaino) the Orioles for most ex-Cubs.
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According to FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal, the Indians intend to sign right-hander Luis Vizcaino to a minor league deal.
Vizcaino was designated for assignment by the Indians in late April. The 34-year-old is likely to spend some time at the Triple-A level before he's trusted in the majors. The Cubs are still on the hook for his $3.5 million 2009 salary.
SPOILER ALERT: Most "ex-Cubs" is not a good strategy.
Hey they only gave up 12 runs before the first out in an inning last night, it's not like the Tribe is desperate for pitching.
Quote from: Andy on May 08, 2009, 11:27:21 AM
Hey they only gave up 12 runs before the first out in an inning last night, it's not like the Tribe is desperate for pitching.
So Wood didn't get the save?
Quote from: PenFoe on May 08, 2009, 11:13:34 AM
Apparently the Indians are battling (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9551390/Source:-Indians-intend-to-sign-Vizcaino) the Orioles for most ex-Cubs.
Orioles aren't going to give up easily.
They are trying to trade for Gathwright according to crazy rumor guy.
Quote from: Pre on May 08, 2009, 01:56:44 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 08, 2009, 11:13:34 AM
Apparently the Indians are battling (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9551390/Source:-Indians-intend-to-sign-Vizcaino) the Orioles for most ex-Cubs.
Orioles aren't going to give up easily.
They are trying to trade for Gathwright according to crazy rumor guy.
I know Freel sucks balls at the plate, but it would sure be nice to have an actual backup third baseman on the roster.
Quote from: Pre on May 08, 2009, 01:56:44 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 08, 2009, 11:13:34 AM
Apparently the Indians are battling (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9551390/Source:-Indians-intend-to-sign-Vizcaino) the Orioles for most ex-Cubs.
Orioles aren't going to give up easily.
They are trying to trade for Gathwright according to crazy rumor guy.
Jesus Havlat Christ, please make this happen.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on May 08, 2009, 02:01:56 PM
Quote from: Pre on May 08, 2009, 01:56:44 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 08, 2009, 11:13:34 AM
Apparently the Indians are battling (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9551390/Source:-Indians-intend-to-sign-Vizcaino) the Orioles for most ex-Cubs.
Orioles aren't going to give up easily.
They are trying to trade for Gathwright according to crazy rumor guy.
I know Freel sucks balls at the plate, but it would sure be nice to have an actual backup third baseman on the roster.
BOBBY SCALES resents the implication.
Quote from: morpheus on May 08, 2009, 02:24:50 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on May 08, 2009, 02:01:56 PM
Quote from: Pre on May 08, 2009, 01:56:44 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 08, 2009, 11:13:34 AM
Apparently the Indians are battling (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9551390/Source:-Indians-intend-to-sign-Vizcaino) the Orioles for most ex-Cubs.
Orioles aren't going to give up easily.
They are trying to trade for Gathwright according to crazy rumor guy.
I know Freel sucks balls at the plate, but it would sure be nice to have an actual backup third baseman on the roster.
BOBBY SCALES resents the implication.
I said third baseMAN. Not third baseGOD.
Quote from: Tank on May 08, 2009, 02:02:01 PM
Quote from: Pre on May 08, 2009, 01:56:44 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 08, 2009, 11:13:34 AM
Apparently the Indians are battling (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9551390/Source:-Indians-intend-to-sign-Vizcaino) the Orioles for most ex-Cubs.
Orioles aren't going to give up easily.
They are trying to trade for Gathwright according to crazy rumor guy.
Jesus Havlat Christ, please make this happen.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-ostrade508,0,687630.story (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-ostrade508,0,687630.story)
Freel for Gathwright
Quote from: Waco Kid on May 08, 2009, 03:45:24 PM
Quote from: Tank on May 08, 2009, 02:02:01 PM
Quote from: Pre on May 08, 2009, 01:56:44 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 08, 2009, 11:13:34 AM
Apparently the Indians are battling (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9551390/Source:-Indians-intend-to-sign-Vizcaino) the Orioles for most ex-Cubs.
Orioles aren't going to give up easily.
They are trying to trade for Gathwright according to crazy rumor guy.
Jesus Havlat Christ, please make this happen.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-ostrade508,0,687630.story (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-ostrade508,0,687630.story)
Freel for Gathwright
So bittersweet.
On one hand, this is awful news for Bobby Scales.
On the other hand....FARNEY. (http://wnst.net/wordpress/caseywillett/2008/12/09/meet-ryan-freel-and-his-friend-farney/)
Still, the Orioles getting Gathwright is just too fantastic for words.
Quote from: Waco Kid on May 08, 2009, 03:45:24 PM
Quote from: Tank on May 08, 2009, 02:02:01 PM
Quote from: Pre on May 08, 2009, 01:56:44 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 08, 2009, 11:13:34 AM
Apparently the Indians are battling (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9551390/Source:-Indians-intend-to-sign-Vizcaino) the Orioles for most ex-Cubs.
Orioles aren't going to give up easily.
They are trying to trade for Gathwright according to crazy rumor guy.
Jesus Havlat Christ, please make this happen.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-ostrade508,0,687630.story (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-ostrade508,0,687630.story)
Freel for Gathwright
Gathright gone = good, but Ryan Freel? Really?
Quote from: morpheus on May 08, 2009, 03:51:27 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on May 08, 2009, 03:45:24 PM
Quote from: Tank on May 08, 2009, 02:02:01 PM
Quote from: Pre on May 08, 2009, 01:56:44 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 08, 2009, 11:13:34 AM
Apparently the Indians are battling (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9551390/Source:-Indians-intend-to-sign-Vizcaino) the Orioles for most ex-Cubs.
Orioles aren't going to give up easily.
They are trying to trade for Gathwright according to crazy rumor guy.
Jesus Havlat Christ, please make this happen.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-ostrade508,0,687630.story (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-ostrade508,0,687630.story)
Freel for Gathwright
Gathright gone = good, but Ryan Freel? Really?
Getting anything better than a bucket of shit for Gathwright is a win in my book.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 08, 2009, 03:51:06 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on May 08, 2009, 03:45:24 PM
Quote from: Tank on May 08, 2009, 02:02:01 PM
Quote from: Pre on May 08, 2009, 01:56:44 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 08, 2009, 11:13:34 AM
Apparently the Indians are battling (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9551390/Source:-Indians-intend-to-sign-Vizcaino) the Orioles for most ex-Cubs.
Orioles aren't going to give up easily.
They are trying to trade for Gathwright according to crazy rumor guy.
Jesus Havlat Christ, please make this happen.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-ostrade508,0,687630.story (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-ostrade508,0,687630.story)
Freel for Gathwright
So bittersweet.
On one hand, this is awful news for Bobby Scales.
On the other hand....FARNEY. (http://wnst.net/wordpress/caseywillett/2008/12/09/meet-ryan-freel-and-his-friend-farney/)
Still, the Orioles getting Gathwright is just too fantastic for words.
Gathright to the O's for Freel
and Farney?
That's a +1 right there, fellas.
So he's got an imaginary friend and he's been arrested twice in recent years for booze related incidents. How could this possibly go wrong at Wrigley?
That said, the thought of the looming Reed Johnson-Ryan Freel outfield collision is frightening. It'll be all arms, legs and bald heads.
Check out Freel's closest comp at age 32.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/scomp_bat.cgi?I=freelry01:Ryan%20Freel&st=age&compage=32&age=32
Wow, this gets better all the time.
By the way Joey Gathright's closest comp is a shovel.
Quote from: Andy on May 08, 2009, 04:08:50 PM
Check out Freel's closest comp at age 32.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/scomp_bat.cgi?I=freelry01:Ryan%20Freel&st=age&compage=32&age=32
Wow, this gets better all the time.
By the way Joey Gathright's closest comp is a shovel.
Stew, any thoughts on Frankie Baumholtz?
Quote from: Waco Kid on May 08, 2009, 03:45:24 PM
Quote from: Tank on May 08, 2009, 02:02:01 PM
Quote from: Pre on May 08, 2009, 01:56:44 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 08, 2009, 11:13:34 AM
Apparently the Indians are battling (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9551390/Source:-Indians-intend-to-sign-Vizcaino) the Orioles for most ex-Cubs.
Orioles aren't going to give up easily.
They are trying to trade for Gathwright according to crazy rumor guy.
Jesus Havlat Christ, please make this happen.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-ostrade508,0,687630.story (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-ostrade508,0,687630.story)
Freel for Gathwright
We got Friel!
(http://snarkerati.com/movie-news/files/2008/02/anna-friel-2.jpg)
Quote from: Slakee on May 08, 2009, 05:38:44 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on May 08, 2009, 03:45:24 PM
Quote from: Tank on May 08, 2009, 02:02:01 PM
Quote from: Pre on May 08, 2009, 01:56:44 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 08, 2009, 11:13:34 AM
Apparently the Indians are battling (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9551390/Source:-Indians-intend-to-sign-Vizcaino) the Orioles for most ex-Cubs.
Orioles aren't going to give up easily.
They are trying to trade for Gathwright according to crazy rumor guy.
Jesus Havlat Christ, please make this happen.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-ostrade508,0,687630.story (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-ostrade508,0,687630.story)
Freel for Gathwright
We got Friel!
(http://snarkerati.com/movie-news/files/2008/02/anna-friel-2.jpg)
Below the Tierney line...
Career OBP is .357? I thought we were supposed to JO over a stat like that. One of you statmankissers wanna explain what I'm missing here besides a clue?
Quote from: ~Apex on May 08, 2009, 06:08:09 PM
Career OBP is .357? I thought we were supposed to JO over a stat like that. One of you statmankissers wanna explain what I'm missing here besides a clue?
.357 career OBP, with the league average at .342 over that span. .374 career SLG vs .437 league average.
That amounts to a career OPS+ of 90, which puts him securely above replacement level for an middle infielder, but probably closer to, if not below, replacement level for a corner outfielder.
His best full season was 2006, when he posted a .271/.363/.399 line (93 OPS+) and went 37 for 48 in SB. Wins Above Replacement: 3.9 (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1207&position=OF#value)
Since then he's gone .258/.320/.343 (70 OPS+) and 21 for 33 in swipes. WAR: -0.3
By the numbers, he's been consistently above league average defensively everywhere but 2B, which is a shame, because that's the only position he's been a league average batter at.
I can't find any up-to-date stats for Farney.
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on May 08, 2009, 05:49:03 PM
Quote from: Slakee on May 08, 2009, 05:38:44 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on May 08, 2009, 03:45:24 PM
Quote from: Tank on May 08, 2009, 02:02:01 PM
Quote from: Pre on May 08, 2009, 01:56:44 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 08, 2009, 11:13:34 AM
Apparently the Indians are battling (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9551390/Source:-Indians-intend-to-sign-Vizcaino) the Orioles for most ex-Cubs.
Orioles aren't going to give up easily.
They are trying to trade for Gathwright according to crazy rumor guy.
Jesus Havlat Christ, please make this happen.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-ostrade508,0,687630.story (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-ostrade508,0,687630.story)
Freel for Gathwright
We got Friel!
(http://snarkerati.com/movie-news/files/2008/02/anna-friel-2.jpg)
Below the Tierney line...
Tonker's gonna have yer legs broke.
Quote from: Tank on May 08, 2009, 07:14:50 PM
Quote from: ~Apex on May 08, 2009, 06:08:09 PM
Career OBP is .357? I thought we were supposed to JO over a stat like that. One of you statmankissers wanna explain what I'm missing here besides a clue?
.357 career OBP, with the league average at .342 over that span. .374 career SLG vs .437 league average.
That amounts to a career OPS+ of 90, which puts him securely above replacement level for an middle infielder, but probably closer to, if not below, replacement level for a corner outfielder.
His best full season was 2006, when he posted a .271/.363/.399 line (93 OPS+) and went 37 for 48 in SB. Wins Above Replacement: 3.9 (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1207&position=OF#value)
Since then he's gone .258/.320/.343 (70 OPS+) and 21 for 33 in swipes. WAR: -0.3
By the numbers, he's been consistently above league average defensively everywhere but 2B, which is a shame, because that's the only position he's been a league average batter at.
I can't find any up-to-date stats for Farney.
TPD...
More impressively, Freel ranks at #178 on The All-Time GRIT List (http://cullengarvey.blogspot.com/2008/12/1000-grittiest-players-of-all-time.html), ahead of Adam Kennedy, Aaron Rowand and Willy Taveras, but a bit behind Tom Goodwin.
Freel for Gath-blight is a major splooge.
Anything to get Gathright of the roster, but isn't Freel also the dude who put an ad out on the Cincinnati Craigslist, or something, in an effort to find a chick to give him a hummer?
Quote from: Kermit, B. on May 08, 2009, 08:07:55 PM
Anything to get Gathright of the roster, but isn't Freel also the dude who put an ad out on the Cincinnati Craigslist, or something, in an effort to find a chick to give him a hummer?
That's pathetic. Who would want a hummer from a chick in Cincinnasty? I'll ask my next date from Craigslist Des Moines.
Quote from: powen01 on May 08, 2009, 08:13:28 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on May 08, 2009, 08:07:55 PM
Anything to get Gathright of the roster, but isn't Freel also the dude who put an ad out on the Cincinnati Craigslist, or something, in an effort to find a chick to give him a hummer?
That's pathetic. Who would want a hummer from a chick in Cincinnasty? I'll ask my next date from Craigslist Des Moines.
Allegedly Freel...
http://thebiglead.com/?p=1843
To his credit, it wasn't in Cincinnati.
He was apparently in search of clean and casual
Grapefruit League vicinity poon.
QuoteTime Before Baseball Practice, M4W-30
I am here for two months before i head back up north. I have this morning before practice.....looking for a woman to enjoy the morning with. Can be married or single, disease free is important. I am 5′9″ 180 short hair and blue eyes, in shape, of course.
Bump.
Oh, man, I totally forgot about that. I remember his opening-day DUI:
http://www.wlwt.com/sports/4345886/detail.html
I always like it when athletes say "I'm sorry for the embarrassment I've caused, something, something, I plan to take responsibility and handle this honestly, something, something. By the way, I plead not guilty."
Then what the fuck is he apologizing for?
I hope Heilman gets set on fire.
I really don't know what to say about this, but this bullpen work tonight has been awesome. Chad Fox is probably done forever. Is there anyone the Cubs can trade for?
Quote from: IrishYeti on May 09, 2009, 09:58:03 PM
I really don't know what to say about this, but this bullpen work tonight has been awesome. Chad Fox is probably done forever. Is there anyone the Cubs can trade for?
Turnbow is available.
Maybe Kerry Wood?
Quote from: IrishYeti on May 09, 2009, 09:58:03 PM
I really don't know what to say about this, but this bullpen work tonight has been awesome. Chad Fox is probably done forever. Is there anyone the Cubs can trade for?
Using what as bait? They can't absorb salary and their minors are empty.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 10, 2009, 12:18:43 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on May 09, 2009, 09:58:03 PM
I really don't know what to say about this, but this bullpen work tonight has been awesome. Chad Fox is probably done forever. Is there anyone the Cubs can trade for?
Using what as bait? They can't absorb salary and their minors are empty.
I know that. Just wishful thinking. This bullpen issue is a huge concern (as many of us knew before the season started) and my question was more of a gut-reaction of "This team needs some serious help in there"
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 10, 2009, 12:18:43 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on May 09, 2009, 09:58:03 PM
I really don't know what to say about this, but this bullpen work tonight has been awesome. Chad Fox is probably done forever. Is there anyone the Cubs can trade for?
Using what as bait? They can't absorb salary and their minors are empty.
Other than that go Cubs!
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 10, 2009, 12:18:43 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on May 09, 2009, 09:58:03 PM
I really don't know what to say about this, but this bullpen work tonight has been awesome. Chad Fox is probably done forever. Is there anyone the Cubs can trade for?
Using what as bait? They can't absorb salary and their minors are empty.
BAILOUT
"Chad Fox, who has already had three Tommy John surgeries and left last night's game with an elbow injury, is being replaced by 24-year old right-handed reliever Jose Ascanio, according to Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune.
Ascanio was 1-1 with a 1.01 ERA in six starts for Triple-A Iowa, says Sullivan."
Quote from: BH on May 10, 2009, 11:55:23 AM
"Chad Fox, who has already had three Tommy John surgeries and left last night's game with an elbow injury, is being replaced by 24-year old right-handed reliever Jose Ascanio, according to Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune.
Ascanio was 1-1 with a 1.01 ERA in six starts for Triple-A Iowa, says Sullivan."
It's da return of da mothafuckin' Ass Can, yo. If he had those numbers at AAA why wasn't he called up ahead of Chad Fox? The "brain" trust must have seen something they didn't like. Either that or they were hell-bent on absolving Dusty for Chad Fox's 2005 arm popping incident. As far as I'm concerned the other day was irrefutable proof that it was nobody's fault. The dude shouldn't have been playing pro ball at any level either time. I blame whoever gave the guy a jersey.
Quote from: ~Apex on May 10, 2009, 12:08:38 PM
Quote from: BH on May 10, 2009, 11:55:23 AM
"Chad Fox, who has already had three Tommy John surgeries and left last night's game with an elbow injury, is being replaced by 24-year old right-handed reliever Jose Ascanio, according to Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune.
Ascanio was 1-1 with a 1.01 ERA in six starts for Triple-A Iowa, says Sullivan."
It's da return of da mothafuckin' Ass Can, yo. If he had those numbers at AAA why wasn't he called up ahead of Chad Fox?
Because bringing up Snork probably left Iowa's rotation a little thin?
Just guessing.
Quote from: ~Apex on May 10, 2009, 12:08:38 PM
Quote from: BH on May 10, 2009, 11:55:23 AM
"Chad Fox, who has already had three Tommy John surgeries and left last night's game with an elbow injury, is being replaced by 24-year old right-handed reliever Jose Ascanio, according to Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune.
Ascanio was 1-1 with a 1.01 ERA in six starts for Triple-A Iowa, says Sullivan."
It's da return of da mothafuckin' Ass Can, yo. If he had those numbers at AAA why wasn't he called up ahead of Chad Fox? The "brain" trust must have seen something they didn't like. Either that or they were hell-bent on absolving Dusty for Chad Fox's 2005 arm popping incident. As far as I'm concerned the other day was irrefutable proof that it was nobody's fault. The dude shouldn't have been playing pro ball at any level either time. I blame whoever gave the guy a jersey.
It's great how our organization can't decide if people are starting pitchers or relievers.
Quote from: ~Apex on May 10, 2009, 12:08:38 PM
Quote from: BH on May 10, 2009, 11:55:23 AM
"Chad Fox, who has already had three Tommy John surgeries and left last night's game with an elbow injury, is being replaced by 24-year old right-handed reliever Jose Ascanio, according to Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune.
Ascanio was 1-1 with a 1.01 ERA in six starts for Triple-A Iowa, says Sullivan."
It's da return of da mothafuckin' Ass Can, yo. If he had those numbers at AAA why wasn't he called up ahead of Chad Fox? The "brain" trust must have seen something they didn't like. Either that or they were hell-bent on absolving Dusty for Chad Fox's 2005 arm popping incident. As far as I'm concerned the other day was irrefutable proof that it was nobody's fault. The dude shouldn't have been playing pro ball at any level either time. I blame whoever gave the guy a jersey.
Also, why the hell are the Cubs so petrified of losing David Patton? This isn't some rebuilding low-payroll team that can afford to carry a shitty Rule V pick on the roster hoping he pans out. Send him down to the minors and if the Rockies want him back then so be it.
Quote from: BH on May 10, 2009, 12:29:21 PM
Quote from: ~Apex on May 10, 2009, 12:08:38 PM
Quote from: BH on May 10, 2009, 11:55:23 AM
"Chad Fox, who has already had three Tommy John surgeries and left last night's game with an elbow injury, is being replaced by 24-year old right-handed reliever Jose Ascanio, according to Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune.
Ascanio was 1-1 with a 1.01 ERA in six starts for Triple-A Iowa, says Sullivan."
It's da return of da mothafuckin' Ass Can, yo. If he had those numbers at AAA why wasn't he called up ahead of Chad Fox? The "brain" trust must have seen something they didn't like. Either that or they were hell-bent on absolving Dusty for Chad Fox's 2005 arm popping incident. As far as I'm concerned the other day was irrefutable proof that it was nobody's fault. The dude shouldn't have been playing pro ball at any level either time. I blame whoever gave the guy a jersey.
It's great how our organization can't decide if people are starting pitchers or relievers.
That's true. When OUR organization can't make up it's mind it's all kinds of awesome. When Jimbo and them can't do it, it makes me want to punch dolphins in their blow hole until they bust open and bleed.
Quote from: RV on August 25, 2008, 02:20:17 PM
An-hell Goozman's eephus* will eat the flesh of the people who don't believe in him or have forgotten about him.
* May not throw an actual eephus pitch.
What that guy said. Last 8 appearances: 11.2 IP, 2.31 ERA, 0.86 WHIP, 11 Ks.
Quote from: RV on May 10, 2009, 06:34:51 PM
Quote from: RV on August 25, 2008, 02:20:17 PM
An-hell Goozman's eephus* will eat the flesh of the people who don't believe in him or have forgotten about him.
* May not throw an actual eephus pitch.
What that guy said. Last 8 appearances: 11.2 IP, 2.31 ERA, 0.86 WHIP, 11 Ks.
Andrew Peck likes this.
(http://anuragbhatia.com/wp-content/uploads/thumbs-up.jpg)
Quote from: RV on May 10, 2009, 06:34:51 PM
Quote from: RV on August 25, 2008, 02:20:17 PM
An-hell Goozman's eephus* will eat the flesh of the people who don't believe in him or have forgotten about him.
* May not throw an actual eephus pitch.
What that guy said. Last 8 appearances: 11.2 IP, 2.31 ERA, 0.86 WHIP, 11 Ks.
An-hell has gotten Lou's memo about throwing strikes, and he does have some serious shit.
Fox had a 1.59 ERA at Iowa, so, it's Iowa.
Lou basically said that Wells is staying (though if he craps out in his next start all bets are off) and either he or Marshall will go to the bullpen when Z comes back. Samardzija will be back at some point. Ascanio showed promise last year but he got rocked progressively harder as May turned into June and then July. But he's only "24".
I would think there's enough there to cobble together a bullpen, just not with Patton or Cotts. Holy shit does Neal Cotts suck.
Quote from: Andy on May 11, 2009, 09:56:06 AM
Fox had a 1.59 ERA at Iowa, so, it's Iowa.
Lou basically said that Wells is staying (though if he craps out in his next start all bets are off) and either he or Marshall will go to the bullpen when Z comes back. Samardzija will be back at some point. Ascanio showed promise last year but he got rocked progressively harder as May turned into June and then July. But he's only "24".
I would think there's enough there to cobble together a bullpen, just not with Patton or Cotts. Holy shit does Neal Cotts suck.
The Patton experiment needs to end now. That'd be a step in the right direction.
Quote from: Andy on May 11, 2009, 09:56:06 AM
Fox had a 1.59 ERA at Iowa, so, it's Iowa.
Lou basically said that Wells is staying (though if he craps out in his next start all bets are off) and either he or Marshall will go to the bullpen when Z comes back. Samardzija will be back at some point. Ascanio showed promise last year but he got rocked progressively harder as May turned into June and then July. But he's only "24".
I would think there's enough there to cobble together a bullpen, just not with Patton or Cotts. Holy shit does Neal Cotts suck.
Jesus, what does that poor kid have to do to stick in the rotation? Pray that Carmen Pignatiello can replace Neal Cotts as the only shitty lefty in the bullpen?
Quote from: Slakee on May 11, 2009, 10:01:49 AM
Quote from: Andy on May 11, 2009, 09:56:06 AM
Fox had a 1.59 ERA at Iowa, so, it's Iowa.
Lou basically said that Wells is staying (though if he craps out in his next start all bets are off) and either he or Marshall will go to the bullpen when Z comes back. Samardzija will be back at some point. Ascanio showed promise last year but he got rocked progressively harder as May turned into June and then July. But he's only "24".
I would think there's enough there to cobble together a bullpen, just not with Patton or Cotts. Holy shit does Neal Cotts suck.
The Patton experiment needs to end now. That'd be a step in the right direction.
I concur. He didn't spend all that time in the sticks because of a clerical oversight.
Quote from: Fork on May 11, 2009, 10:05:03 AM
Quote from: Slakee on May 11, 2009, 10:01:49 AM
Quote from: Andy on May 11, 2009, 09:56:06 AM
Fox had a 1.59 ERA at Iowa, so, it's Iowa.
Lou basically said that Wells is staying (though if he craps out in his next start all bets are off) and either he or Marshall will go to the bullpen when Z comes back. Samardzija will be back at some point. Ascanio showed promise last year but he got rocked progressively harder as May turned into June and then July. But he's only "24".
I would think there's enough there to cobble together a bullpen, just not with Patton or Cotts. Holy shit does Neal Cotts suck.
The Patton experiment needs to end now. That'd be a step in the right direction.
I concur. He didn't spend all that time in the sticks because of a clerical oversight.
I thought the whole logic behind Patton playing in the bigs was the "he doesn't get rattled" theory. (I think Lou said this?) Which, I suppose is a good thing. But it shouldn't be the reason to get promoted. If that was the case Zambrano would have never got out of Pony League.
I thought the reason Patton was playing in the bigs was because he was a Rule 5 selection and he has to remain on the roster the entire year or he gets returned to his team or something (I'm pretty sure to be corrected on this, but I hope I'm on the right track).
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on May 11, 2009, 11:01:33 AM
I thought the reason Patton was playing in the bigs was because he was a Rule 5 selection and he has to remain on the roster the entire year or he gets returned to his team or something (I'm pretty sure to be corrected on this, but I hope I'm on the right track).
That is correct. Good idea for a team that has no chance of the playoffs, doesn't make sense for a team that does. Pretty certain Patton will not be Johan Santana.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on May 11, 2009, 10:02:20 AM
Quote from: Andy on May 11, 2009, 09:56:06 AM
Fox had a 1.59 ERA at Iowa, so, it's Iowa.
Lou basically said that Wells is staying (though if he craps out in his next start all bets are off) and either he or Marshall will go to the bullpen when Z comes back. Samardzija will be back at some point. Ascanio showed promise last year but he got rocked progressively harder as May turned into June and then July. But he's only "24".
I would think there's enough there to cobble together a bullpen, just not with Patton or Cotts. Holy shit does Neal Cotts suck.
Jesus, what does that poor kid have to do to stick in the rotation? Pray that Carmen Pignatiello can replace Neal Cotts as the only shitty lefty in the bullpen?
He needs to play for a GM who has a fucking clue how to put together a bullpen. Marshall's done more than enough earn a rotation spot.
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 11, 2009, 11:16:42 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on May 11, 2009, 10:02:20 AM
Quote from: Andy on May 11, 2009, 09:56:06 AM
Fox had a 1.59 ERA at Iowa, so, it's Iowa.
Lou basically said that Wells is staying (though if he craps out in his next start all bets are off) and either he or Marshall will go to the bullpen when Z comes back. Samardzija will be back at some point. Ascanio showed promise last year but he got rocked progressively harder as May turned into June and then July. But he's only "24".
I would think there's enough there to cobble together a bullpen, just not with Patton or Cotts. Holy shit does Neal Cotts suck.
Jesus, what does that poor kid have to do to stick in the rotation? Pray that Carmen Pignatiello can replace Neal Cotts as the only shitty lefty in the bullpen?
He needs to play for a GM who has a fucking clue how to put together a bullpen. Marshall's done more than enough earn a rotation spot.
I agree. But, right now I'd much rather have a combination of Randy Wells/Jeff Samardzija/Kevin Foster/Ruben Quevedo as the fifth starter and Sean Marshall taking over for Cotts in the pen. Because, y'know, Cotts sucks and all.
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on May 11, 2009, 11:20:46 AM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 11, 2009, 11:16:42 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on May 11, 2009, 10:02:20 AM
Quote from: Andy on May 11, 2009, 09:56:06 AM
Fox had a 1.59 ERA at Iowa, so, it's Iowa.
Lou basically said that Wells is staying (though if he craps out in his next start all bets are off) and either he or Marshall will go to the bullpen when Z comes back. Samardzija will be back at some point. Ascanio showed promise last year but he got rocked progressively harder as May turned into June and then July. But he's only "24".
I would think there's enough there to cobble together a bullpen, just not with Patton or Cotts. Holy shit does Neal Cotts suck.
Jesus, what does that poor kid have to do to stick in the rotation? Pray that Carmen Pignatiello can replace Neal Cotts as the only shitty lefty in the bullpen?
He needs to play for a GM who has a fucking clue how to put together a bullpen. Marshall's done more than enough earn a rotation spot.
I agree. But, right now I'd much rather have a combination of Randy Wells/Jeff Samardzija/Kevin Foster/Ruben Quevedo as the fifth starter and Sean Marshall taking over for Cotts in the pen. Because, y'know, Cotts sucks and all.
I agree. It just makes sense to have the better pitcher throw 60 good innings as a LOOGY and have a bunch of hoopleheads throw 180 cancer innings as the fifth starter.
RV loves Neal Cotts. But, really...you'd rather have Cotts come in the seventh and totally destroy Marshall's six innings by lighting rocket fuel with a flamethrower against one hitter than have one of those hoopleheads out there?
Don't take this the wrong way. I like Sean Marshall as the fifth starter--a lot. But, if he moving to the bullpen in the short term gets Neal Cotts removed from Earth, I'm all for it.
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on May 11, 2009, 11:33:26 AM
I like Sean Marshall as the fifth starter--a lot. But, if he moving to the bullpen in the short term gets Neal Cotts removed from Earth, I'm all for it.
I can agree with this.
I think Marshall certainly deserves to be the 5th starter, but I deserve to watch a team with a better bullpen.
I'll take my needs over Marshall's.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 11, 2009, 11:42:28 AM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on May 11, 2009, 11:33:26 AM
I like Sean Marshall as the fifth starter--a lot. But, if he moving to the bullpen in the short term gets Neal Cotts removed from Earth, I'm all for it.
I can agree with this.
I think Marshall certainly deserves to be the 5th starter, but I deserve to watch a team with a better bullpen.
I'll take my needs over Marshall's.
I would agree with this if there was an obvious rotation replacement for Marshall waiting in the wings. But there isn't.
Samardzija? That goober has been bad out of the bullpen since that first month last season, needs time to stretch out, and may not be good anyway.
Wells? I'm still trying to figure out how he didn't give up 7 runs on Friday. If this guy sticks in the majors I'll eat the stupid flat brim off Heilman's hat.
Ascanio? Had some good starts in Iowa, but it looks like they think the bullpen is the way to go for him.
Mitch Atkins? Now we're really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
And this whole idea of moving Marshall out of the rotation is based on the assumption that Harden is going to stay healthy. You move Marshall to the bullpen, Harden gets hurt, then you're looking at two of these fartfaces in the rotation.
All that being said, I agree that Neal Cotts needs to be sent to a death camp. I'm willing to give Rube Waddell a shot at this point.
If you guys don't think moving Marshall to the pen means we're getting Peavy, you all are retards.
Moving the guy who is currently their second-best starter out of the rotation to be a LOOGY is really, really, really stupid. I don't care who replaces Cotts, but it shouldn't be Marshall. I honestly don't even care if they go with an all-righty bullpen. Who is their best left-handed option in the minors right now? Alfred Mathes? Jesus.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on May 11, 2009, 12:23:57 PM
Moving the guy who is currently their second-best starter out of the rotation to be a LOOGY is really, really, really stupid. I don't care who replaces Cotts, but it shouldn't be Marshall. I honestly don't even care if they go with an all-righty bullpen. Who is their best left-handed option in the minors right now? Alfred Mathes? Jesus.
Jesus is lefthanded?
Quote from: Fork on May 11, 2009, 12:30:09 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on May 11, 2009, 12:23:57 PM
Moving the guy who is currently their second-best starter out of the rotation to be a LOOGY is really, really, really stupid. I don't care who replaces Cotts, but it shouldn't be Marshall. I honestly don't even care if they go with an all-righty bullpen. Who is their best left-handed option in the minors right now? Alfred Mathes? Jesus.
Jesus is lefthanded?
He jerked off with his right hand on occasion. A man like that could do it all.
Quote from: Fork on May 11, 2009, 12:30:09 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on May 11, 2009, 12:23:57 PM
Moving the guy who is currently their second-best starter out of the rotation to be a LOOGY is really, really, really stupid. I don't care who replaces Cotts, but it shouldn't be Marshall. I honestly don't even care if they go with an all-righty bullpen. Who is their best left-handed option in the minors right now? Alfred Mathes? Jesus.
Jesus is lefthanded?
Word has it he can't throw a curveball.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on May 11, 2009, 12:23:57 PM
Moving the guy who is currently their second-best starter out of the rotation to be a LOOGY is really, really, really stupid. I don't care who replaces Cotts, but it shouldn't be Marshall. I honestly don't even care if they go with an all-righty bullpen. Who is their best left-handed option in the minors right now? Alfred Mathes? Jesus.
I believe Guzman has some nasty stats against lefty hitters (too busy/lazy to look them up and post them, but I believe I heard Brenly discussing that last week).
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on May 11, 2009, 12:34:05 PM
Quote from: Fork on May 11, 2009, 12:30:09 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on May 11, 2009, 12:23:57 PM
Moving the guy who is currently their second-best starter out of the rotation to be a LOOGY is really, really, really stupid. I don't care who replaces Cotts, but it shouldn't be Marshall. I honestly don't even care if they go with an all-righty bullpen. Who is their best left-handed option in the minors right now? Alfred Mathes? Jesus.
Jesus is lefthanded?
Word has it he can't throw hit a curveball.
Let's not start a holy war'ed.
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on May 11, 2009, 12:34:05 PM
Quote from: Fork on May 11, 2009, 12:30:09 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on May 11, 2009, 12:23:57 PM
Moving the guy who is currently their second-best starter out of the rotation to be a LOOGY is really, really, really stupid. I don't care who replaces Cotts, but it shouldn't be Marshall. I honestly don't even care if they go with an all-righty bullpen. Who is their best left-handed option in the minors right now? Alfred Mathes? Jesus.
Jesus is lefthanded?
Word has it he can't throw a curveball.
The only other Jewish lefties who come to mind are Koufax and Holtzman, and they both had good curveballs. It's all that reading right-to-left.
Quote from: Fork on May 11, 2009, 02:01:41 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on May 11, 2009, 12:34:05 PM
Quote from: Fork on May 11, 2009, 12:30:09 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on May 11, 2009, 12:23:57 PM
Moving the guy who is currently their second-best starter out of the rotation to be a LOOGY is really, really, really stupid. I don't care who replaces Cotts, but it shouldn't be Marshall. I honestly don't even care if they go with an all-righty bullpen. Who is their best left-handed option in the minors right now? Alfred Mathes? Jesus.
Jesus is lefthanded?
Word has it he can't throw a curveball.
The only other Jewish lefties who come to mind are Koufax and Holtzman, and they both had good curveballs. It's all that reading right-to-left.
I'll forgive you for not having these (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/schoesc01.shtml) guys (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/grabojo02.shtml) come (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/breslcr01.shtml) to mind since you're not a full-fledged MOT.
I'd rather see Cotts in the bullpen too.
As long as that bullpen belongs to the Brewers.*
*- I would have said Cardinals but LaRussa would just pump Cotts full of roids and he'd wind up pitching the all-star game.
Bump.
Wow, Gregg got destroyed. Four rockets and a HBP. Fucking sucks to watch that garbage after watching Guzmol dominate.
Wait, Marshall was available?
What the fuck is Lou doing?
And how do you walk Michael Bourn? You can give him a cookie and he'll hit it what, 200 feet?
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 16, 2009, 02:48:49 PM
Wait, Marshall was available?
What the fuck is Lou doing?
Thank God for Marshall. Anyone want to volunteer to drive Heilman and Gregg to the "airport", by which I mean into Lake Michigan?
I was really hoping that rocket off of Gregg's wrist would have ended his season. Fucking cumstain.
Why is it the shitty guys never get hurt?
Heilman is a fucking pussy.
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 16, 2009, 03:21:26 PM
I was really hoping that rocket off of Gregg's wrist would have ended his season. Fucking cumstain.
Why is it the shitty guys never get hurt?
Heilman is a fucking pussy.
Really? Hoping people get hurt? That's not very nice.
Quote from: air2300 on May 16, 2009, 03:29:20 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 16, 2009, 03:21:26 PM
I was really hoping that rocket off of Gregg's wrist would have ended his season. Fucking cumstain.
Why is it the shitty guys never get hurt?
Heilman is a fucking pussy.
Really? Hoping people get hurt? That's not very nice.
To be perfectly fair, LoneStar is just drooling over all of the All Star caliber bullpen talent the Cubs have simply waiting in the wings.
Jeff Stevens?
Kevin Hart?
Yay?
Quote from: Tank on May 16, 2009, 04:35:11 PM
Quote from: air2300 on May 16, 2009, 03:29:20 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 16, 2009, 03:21:26 PM
I was really hoping that rocket off of Gregg's wrist would have ended his season. Fucking cumstain.
Why is it the shitty guys never get hurt?
Heilman is a fucking pussy.
Really? Hoping people get hurt? That's not very nice.
To be perfectly fair, LoneStar is just drooling over all of the All Star caliber bullpen talent the Cubs have simply waiting in the wings.
Jeff Stevens?
Kevin Hart?
Yay?
Damn right, yay.
Quote from: ~Apex on May 16, 2009, 10:07:13 PM
Quote from: Tank on May 16, 2009, 04:35:11 PM
Quote from: air2300 on May 16, 2009, 03:29:20 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 16, 2009, 03:21:26 PM
I was really hoping that rocket off of Gregg's wrist would have ended his season. Fucking cumstain.
Why is it the shitty guys never get hurt?
Heilman is a fucking pussy.
Really? Hoping people get hurt? That's not very nice.
To be perfectly fair, LoneStar is just drooling over all of the All Star caliber bullpen talent the Cubs have simply waiting in the wings.
Jeff Stevens?
Kevin Hart?
Yay?
Damn right, yay.
Apex, I didn't know you were an actor.
(http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/2001_Wet_Hot_American_Summer/001WHS_Christopher_Meloni_002.jpg)
Quote from: Tank on May 16, 2009, 04:35:11 PM
To be perfectly fair, LoneStar is just drooling over all of the All Star
the Cubs have simply waiting in the wings.
Ascanio needs to get hurt too.
Quote from: air2300 on May 17, 2009, 04:49:29 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 17, 2009, 04:28:51 PM
Ascanio needs to get hurt too.
Classy.
Vince Perkins, come on down?
What's Carmen Pignatello up to these days?
Quote from: Tank on May 17, 2009, 05:08:56 PM
Quote from: air2300 on May 17, 2009, 04:49:29 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 17, 2009, 04:28:51 PM
Ascanio needs to get hurt too.
Classy.
Vince Perkins, come on down?
What's Carmen Pignatello up to these days?
Pignatiello was released by the Twins after getting rocked in Triple-A. So now he's just a phone call away! (http://www.flyersbaseball.com/playerbio.asp?id=315)
Quote from: air2300 on May 16, 2009, 03:29:20 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 16, 2009, 03:21:26 PM
I was really hoping that rocket off of Gregg's wrist would have ended his season. Fucking cumstain.
Why is it the shitty guys never get hurt?
Heilman is a fucking pussy.
Really? Hoping people get hurt? That's not very nice.
I frequently hope that LoneStar gets severe, uncurable carpal tunnel, rendering him unable to use a computer for the rest of his life. I'm not very nice.
Quote from: Eli on May 18, 2009, 08:09:01 AM
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Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 16, 2009, 03:21:26 PM
I was really hoping that rocket off of Gregg's wrist would have ended his season. Fucking cumstain.
Why is it the shitty guys never get hurt?
Heilman is a fucking pussy.
Really? Hoping people get hurt? That's not very nice.
I frequently hope that LoneStar gets severe, uncurable carpal tunnel, rendering him unable to use a computer for the rest of his life. I'm not very nice.
Intrepid Reader: Lone Star
Dat bum Sotoa made de last out of de game I hope some scaffolding falls on dat guy or sometin. And I hope dat fella Ascanio gets hit by a PT Cruiser even though he's only 24 years old and he flashed some great stuff after that clusterfuck to start the 7th.Christ almighty, I shudder to think what kind of internet suicide some people would commit if the Cubs actually fielded a losing team instead of one on pace to win 90+ games again.
Quote from: RV on May 18, 2009, 08:33:32 AM
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Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 16, 2009, 03:21:26 PM
I was really hoping that rocket off of Gregg's wrist would have ended his season. Fucking cumstain.
Why is it the shitty guys never get hurt?
Heilman is a fucking pussy.
Really? Hoping people get hurt? That's not very nice.
I frequently hope that LoneStar gets severe, uncurable carpal tunnel, rendering him unable to use a computer for the rest of his life. I'm not very nice.
Intrepid Reader: Lone Star
Dat bum Sotoa made de last out of de game I hope some scaffolding falls on dat guy or sometin. And I hope dat fella Ascanio gets hit by a PT Cruiser even though he's only 24 years old and he flashed some great stuff after that clusterfuck to start the 7th.
Christ almighty, I shudder to think what kind of internet suicide some people would commit if the Cubs actually fielded a losing team instead of one on pace to win 90+ games again with Milton Bradley, Aramis Ramirez, Derrek Lee and Carlos Zambrano all losing significant time to injury..
Quote from: Brownie on May 18, 2009, 09:06:47 AM
Quote from: RV on May 18, 2009, 08:33:32 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 18, 2009, 08:09:01 AM
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Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 16, 2009, 03:21:26 PM
I was really hoping that rocket off of Gregg's wrist would have ended his season. Fucking cumstain.
Why is it the shitty guys never get hurt?
Heilman is a fucking pussy.
Really? Hoping people get hurt? That's not very nice.
I frequently hope that LoneStar gets severe, uncurable carpal tunnel, rendering him unable to use a computer for the rest of his life. I'm not very nice.
Intrepid Reader: Lone Star
Dat bum Sotoa made de last out of de game I hope some scaffolding falls on dat guy or sometin. And I hope dat fella Ascanio gets hit by a PT Cruiser even though he's only 24 years old and he flashed some great stuff after that clusterfuck to start the 7th.
Christ almighty, I shudder to think what kind of internet suicide some people would commit if the Cubs actually fielded a losing team instead of one on pace to win 90+ games again with Milton Bradley, Aramis Ramirez, Derrek Lee and Carlos Zambrano all losing significant time to injury..
Here's another cherry for your sundae: the Brewers are playing as well as they'll play all year. They'll regress as the Cubs get healthy.
Quote from: Eli on May 18, 2009, 08:09:01 AM
Quote from: air2300 on May 16, 2009, 03:29:20 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 16, 2009, 03:21:26 PM
I was really hoping that rocket off of Gregg's wrist would have ended his season. Fucking cumstain.
Why is it the shitty guys never get hurt?
Heilman is a fucking pussy.
Really? Hoping people get hurt? That's not very nice.
I frequently hope that LoneStar gets severe, unincurable carpal tunnel, rendering him unable to use a computer for the rest of his life. I'm not very nice.
And
I'm the lowest form of life on the Internet.
Quote from: MAD on May 18, 2009, 09:22:52 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 18, 2009, 08:09:01 AM
Quote from: air2300 on May 16, 2009, 03:29:20 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 16, 2009, 03:21:26 PM
I was really hoping that rocket off of Gregg's wrist would have ended his season. Fucking cumstain.
Why is it the shitty guys never get hurt?
Heilman is a fucking pussy.
Really? Hoping people get hurt? That's not very nice.
I frequently hope that LoneStar gets severe, unincurable carpal tunnel, rendering him unable to use a computer for the rest of his life. I'm not very nice.
And I'm the lowest form of life on the Internet.
You're not just limited to the Internet, big guy.
Quote from: Fork on May 18, 2009, 09:51:28 AM
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Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 16, 2009, 03:21:26 PM
I was really hoping that rocket off of Gregg's wrist would have ended his season. Fucking cumstain.
Why is it the shitty guys never get hurt?
Heilman is a fucking pussy.
Really? Hoping people get hurt? That's not very nice.
I frequently hope that LoneStar gets severe, unincurable carpal tunnel, rendering him unable to use a computer for the rest of his life. I'm not very nice.
And I'm the lowest form of life on the Internet.
You're not just limited to the Internet, big guy.
Yeah, you make
me look like Rudy on the softball diamond. And I've been
that guy on every team I've played on ever. Thanks for that.
Quote from: ~Apex on May 19, 2009, 07:53:28 AM
Quote from: Fork on May 18, 2009, 09:51:28 AM
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Quote from: air2300 on May 16, 2009, 03:29:20 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 16, 2009, 03:21:26 PM
I was really hoping that rocket off of Gregg's wrist would have ended his season. Fucking cumstain.
Why is it the shitty guys never get hurt?
Heilman is a fucking pussy.
Really? Hoping people get hurt? That's not very nice.
I frequently hope that LoneStar gets severe, unincurable carpal tunnel, rendering him unable to use a computer for the rest of his life. I'm not very nice.
And I'm the lowest form of life on the Internet.
You're not just limited to the Internet, big guy.
Yeah, you make me look like Rudy on the softball diamond. And I've been that guy on every team I've played on ever. Thanks for that.
If I were you, I'd be more distressed that I'd be a suitable courtesy runner for you...slowest black guy this side of Prince Fielder.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/powerranking (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/powerranking)
QuoteCarlos Marmol and Kevin Gregg, the Cubs' set-up man and closer, have combined to allow 31 hits and 27 walks in 34 2/3 innings.
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Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 16, 2009, 03:21:26 PM
I was really hoping that rocket off of Gregg's wrist would have ended his season. Fucking cumstain.
Why is it the shitty guys never get hurt?
Heilman is a fucking pussy.
Really? Hoping people get hurt? That's not very nice.
To be perfectly fair, LoneStar is just drooling over all of the All Star caliber bullpen talent the Cubs have simply waiting in the wings.
Jeff Stevens?
Kevin Hart?
Yay?
Damn right, yay.
Apex, I didn't know you were an actor.
(http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/2001_Wet_Hot_American_Summer/001WHS_Christopher_Meloni_002.jpg)
I don't know who this guy is. Is he one of the turds on the Wings that keeps scoring goals and smiling in sweaty interviews. They have an annoying habit.
Quote from: Fork on May 19, 2009, 07:58:27 AM
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Quote from: Fork on May 18, 2009, 09:51:28 AM
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Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 16, 2009, 03:21:26 PM
I was really hoping that rocket off of Gregg's wrist would have ended his season. Fucking cumstain.
Why is it the shitty guys never get hurt?
Heilman is a fucking pussy.
Really? Hoping people get hurt? That's not very nice.
I frequently hope that LoneStar gets severe, unincurable carpal tunnel, rendering him unable to use a computer for the rest of his life. I'm not very nice.
And I'm the lowest form of life on the Internet.
You're not just limited to the Internet, big guy.
Yeah, you make me look like Rudy on the softball diamond. And I've been that guy on every team I've played on ever. Thanks for that.
If I were you, I'd be more distressed that I'd be a suitable courtesy runner for you...slowest black guy this side of Prince Fielder.
I just read this after being told about it by Huard last night. Anytime you wanna lineup and take a crack at a footrace, hit me up. That goes for most of the choads on our team too, though it aint no braggin' right to out leg most of us. If I'm not in the top 4 on the team from first to home, I'll eat my hat.
But as far as black people go, yeah... I'm not fast.
I'll also cop to being miles out of shape and parnoid about pulling a hammy or quad, adding a certain Pancakeness to my giddy-up. Though that's getting better of late.
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Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 16, 2009, 03:21:26 PM
I was really hoping that rocket off of Gregg's wrist would have ended his season. Fucking cumstain.
Why is it the shitty guys never get hurt?
Heilman is a fucking pussy.
Really? Hoping people get hurt? That's not very nice.
To be perfectly fair, LoneStar is just drooling over all of the All Star caliber bullpen talent the Cubs have simply waiting in the wings.
Jeff Stevens?
Kevin Hart?
Yay?
Damn right, yay.
Apex, I didn't know you were an actor.
(http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/2001_Wet_Hot_American_Summer/001WHS_Christopher_Meloni_002.jpg)
I don't know who this guy is. Is he one of the turds on the Wings that keeps scoring goals and smiling in sweaty interviews. They have an annoying habit.
Christopher Meloni plays hockey naked.
Quote from: Tank on May 20, 2009, 01:57:38 PM
Quote from: Apexx on May 20, 2009, 01:07:28 PM
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Quote from: Tank on May 16, 2009, 04:35:11 PM
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Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 16, 2009, 03:21:26 PM
I was really hoping that rocket off of Gregg's wrist would have ended his season. Fucking cumstain.
Why is it the shitty guys never get hurt?
Heilman is a fucking pussy.
Really? Hoping people get hurt? That's not very nice.
To be perfectly fair, LoneStar is just drooling over all of the All Star caliber bullpen talent the Cubs have simply waiting in the wings.
Jeff Stevens?
Kevin Hart?
Yay?
Damn right, yay.
Apex, I didn't know you were an actor.
(http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/2001_Wet_Hot_American_Summer/001WHS_Christopher_Meloni_002.jpg)
I don't know who this guy is. Is he one of the turds on the Wings that keeps scoring goals and smiling in sweaty interviews. They have an annoying habit.
Christopher Meloni plays hockey naked.
Excuse me, I have to go hump the fridge.
Quote from: Slakee on May 20, 2009, 02:43:55 PM
Quote from: Tank on May 20, 2009, 01:57:38 PM
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I was really hoping that rocket off of Gregg's wrist would have ended his season. Fucking cumstain.
Why is it the shitty guys never get hurt?
Heilman is a fucking pussy.
Really? Hoping people get hurt? That's not very nice.
To be perfectly fair, LoneStar is just drooling over all of the All Star caliber bullpen talent the Cubs have simply waiting in the wings.
Jeff Stevens?
Kevin Hart?
Yay?
Damn right, yay.
Apex, I didn't know you were an actor.
(http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/2001_Wet_Hot_American_Summer/001WHS_Christopher_Meloni_002.jpg)
I don't know who this guy is. Is he one of the turds on the Wings that keeps scoring goals and smiling in sweaty interviews. They have an annoying habit.
Christopher Meloni plays hockey naked.
Excuse me, I have to go hump the fridge.
Try not to bump into the shelf. That's where I keep my bottle of dick cream.
Quote from: RV on May 20, 2009, 02:55:18 PM
Quote from: Slakee on May 20, 2009, 02:43:55 PM
Quote from: Tank on May 20, 2009, 01:57:38 PM
Quote from: Apexx on May 20, 2009, 01:07:28 PM
Quote from: Slakee on May 16, 2009, 10:12:28 PM
Quote from: ~Apex on May 16, 2009, 10:07:13 PM
Quote from: Tank on May 16, 2009, 04:35:11 PM
Quote from: air2300 on May 16, 2009, 03:29:20 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 16, 2009, 03:21:26 PM
I was really hoping that rocket off of Gregg's wrist would have ended his season. Fucking cumstain.
Why is it the shitty guys never get hurt?
Heilman is a fucking pussy.
Really? Hoping people get hurt? That's not very nice.
To be perfectly fair, LoneStar is just drooling over all of the All Star caliber bullpen talent the Cubs have simply waiting in the wings.
Jeff Stevens?
Kevin Hart?
Yay?
Damn right, yay.
Apex, I didn't know you were an actor.
(http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/2001_Wet_Hot_American_Summer/001WHS_Christopher_Meloni_002.jpg)
I don't know who this guy is. Is he one of the turds on the Wings that keeps scoring goals and smiling in sweaty interviews. They have an annoying habit.
Christopher Meloni plays hockey naked.
Excuse me, I have to go hump the fridge.
Try not to bump into the shelf. That's where I keep my bottle of dick cream.
Did you just say dick cream?
Why is David Patton still on the team? He hasn't pitched since May 9th, a decision I applaud, but why not bring up someone that might be of some use?
Quote from: Shooter on May 21, 2009, 09:15:02 PM
Why is David Patton still on the team? He hasn't pitched since May 9th, a decision I applaud, but why not bring up someone that might be of some use?
They don't have someone that might be of use.
Quote from: Fork on May 21, 2009, 09:53:25 PM
Quote from: Shooter on May 21, 2009, 09:15:02 PM
Why is David Patton still on the team? He hasn't pitched since May 9th, a decision I applaud, but why not bring up someone that might be of some use?
They don't have someone that might be of use.
JAY KFAUX!
The Ass Can looked pretty good, no?
Our bullpen pitched well all series.
Aaron Heilman is a sack of shit.
Quote from: Waco Kid on May 24, 2009, 05:59:22 PM
Aaron Heilman is a sack of shit.
This is not a new development.
This would probably be a good time to point out that if GM professes that one of his offseason goals is to fix his bullpen and then goes on to assemble a collection of cumstains worse than the fuck-ups he employed the year before, said GM should lose his job posthaste.
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 24, 2009, 06:57:58 PM
This would probably be a good time to point out that if GM professes that one of his offseason goals is to fix his bullpen and then goes on to assemble a collection of cumstains worse than the fuck-ups he employed the year before, said GM should lose his job posthaste.
If only there was a president and an onwer.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 24, 2009, 07:02:17 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 24, 2009, 06:57:58 PM
This would probably be a good time to point out that if GM professes that one of his offseason goals is to fix his bullpen and then goes on to assemble a collection of cumstains worse than the fuck-ups he employed the year before, said GM should lose his job posthaste.
If only there was a president and an onwer.
Yeah, that would be nice.
I'm starting to think that this Cubs team is doing to Lou what the Penguins did to Therrien this season--give up on a hardass coach until a change is made.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 24, 2009, 10:21:13 PM
I'm starting to think that this Cubs team is doing to Lou what the Penguins did to Therrien this season--give up on a hardass coach until a change is made.
I don't get the impression that Lou is that much of a ball-buster anymore. Maybe he'll lose his mind at some point, but he seems to be taking this stuff in stride.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 24, 2009, 10:21:13 PM
I'm starting to think that this Cubs team is doing to Lou what the Penguins did to Therrien this season--give up on a hardass coach until a change is made.
Stop talking about Pittsburgh all the time.
Quote from: Eli on May 25, 2009, 01:27:23 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 24, 2009, 10:21:13 PM
I'm starting to think that this Cubs team is doing to Lou what the Penguins did to Therrien this season--give up on a hardass coach until a change is made.
Stop talking about Pittsburgh all the time.
Finally, someone said it.
Quote from: CT III on May 25, 2009, 02:03:33 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 25, 2009, 01:27:23 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 24, 2009, 10:21:13 PM
I'm starting to think that this Cubs team is doing to Lou what the Penguins did to Therrien this season--give up on a hardass coach until a change is made.
Stop talking about Pittsburgh all the time.
Finally, someone said it.
And what was all that shit about Pittsburgh? What the FUCK, has anything got to do with Pittsburgh?
Quote from: Eli on May 25, 2009, 02:08:02 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 25, 2009, 02:03:33 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 25, 2009, 01:27:23 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 24, 2009, 10:21:13 PM
I'm starting to think that this Cubs team is doing to Lou what the Penguins did to Therrien this season--give up on a hardass coach until a change is made.
Stop talking about Pittsburgh all the time.
Finally, someone said it.
And what was all that shit about Pittsburgh? What the FUCK, has anything got to do with Pittsburgh?
You know--sometimes teams playing different sports behave the same way.
I'm just looking for an explanation, and besides, it's just like my opinion man.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 25, 2009, 04:10:53 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 25, 2009, 02:08:02 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 25, 2009, 02:03:33 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 25, 2009, 01:27:23 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 24, 2009, 10:21:13 PM
I'm starting to think that this Cubs team is doing to Lou what the Penguins did to Therrien this season--give up on a hardass coach until a change is made.
Stop talking about Pittsburgh all the time.
Finally, someone said it.
And what was all that shit about Pittsburgh? What the FUCK, has anything got to do with Pittsburgh?
You know--sometimes teams playing different sports behave the same way.
I'm just looking for an explanation, and besides, it's just like my opinion man.
Pittsburgh sucks.
Well at least if Ascaino blows it in this inning, Cotts is warming up in the pen!
Quote from: EVILteddie on May 25, 2009, 08:57:18 PM
Well at least if Ascaino blows it in this inning, Cotts is warming up in the pen!
Yes he (ass) CAN!'d.
Neal Cotts = Mike Remlinger
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 25, 2009, 09:16:58 PM
Neal Cotts = Mike Remlinger
I don't know, at least Remlinger could get
someone out, even if it was only righties
Quote from: Adam Eaton Pussy on May 25, 2009, 09:30:18 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 25, 2009, 09:16:58 PM
Neal Cotts = Mike Remlinger
I don't know, at least Remlinger could get someone out, even if it was only righties
That is a good point. My bad.
By the way, only two teams in MLB history have lost more than eight in a row in a season and still made the playoffs.
Remlinger resents the inference, LoneStar.
This is a historically bad bullpen. It is worse than the 2006, 2005, 2002 bullpens. Put it up there with the 1999 bullpen. The 1988 bullpen was pretty bad as well. But the 2009 Cubs bullpen is as bad as any of them.
Quote from: Brownie on May 25, 2009, 09:34:02 PM
Remlinger resents the inference, LoneStar.
This is a historically bad bullpen. It is worse than the 2006, 2005, 2002 bullpens. Put it up there with the 1999 bullpen. The 1988 bullpen was pretty bad as well. But the 2009 Cubs bullpen is as bad as any of them.
But Jim promised he would fix the bullpen after last season! I feel so cheated...
Quote from: Brownie on May 25, 2009, 09:34:02 PM
Remlinger resents the inference, LoneStar.
This is a historically bad bullpen. It is worse than the 2006, 2005, 2002 bullpens. Put it up there with the 1999 bullpen. The 1988 bullpen was pretty bad as well. But the 2009 Cubs bullpen is as bad as any of them.
I don't think it's worse than '02.
Quote from: ~Apex on May 25, 2009, 09:37:02 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 25, 2009, 09:34:02 PM
Remlinger resents the inference, LoneStar.
This is a historically bad bullpen. It is worse than the 2006, 2005, 2002 bullpens. Put it up there with the 1999 bullpen. The 1988 bullpen was pretty bad as well. But the 2009 Cubs bullpen is as bad as any of them.
I don't think it's worse than '02.
I humbly submit any of the Cubs bullpens from 1980 through 1983.
Quote from: Fork on May 25, 2009, 09:39:13 PM
Quote from: ~Apex on May 25, 2009, 09:37:02 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 25, 2009, 09:34:02 PM
Remlinger resents the inference, LoneStar.
This is a historically bad bullpen. It is worse than the 2006, 2005, 2002 bullpens. Put it up there with the 1999 bullpen. The 1988 bullpen was pretty bad as well. But the 2009 Cubs bullpen is as bad as any of them.
I don't think it's worse than '02.
I humbly submit any of the Cubs bullpens from 1980 through 1983.
That's a pretty good call.
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 25, 2009, 09:41:55 PM
Quote from: Fork on May 25, 2009, 09:39:13 PM
Quote from: ~Apex on May 25, 2009, 09:37:02 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 25, 2009, 09:34:02 PM
Remlinger resents the inference, LoneStar.
This is a historically bad bullpen. It is worse than the 2006, 2005, 2002 bullpens. Put it up there with the 1999 bullpen. The 1988 bullpen was pretty bad as well. But the 2009 Cubs bullpen is as bad as any of them.
I don't think it's worse than '02.
I humbly submit any of the Cubs bullpens from 1980 through 1983.
That's a pretty good call.
1980 - Bullpen featured Bruce Sutter, Bill Caudill, Willie Hernandez and a young Lee Smith.
1981 - Lee Smith, Bill Caudill and a bunch of others. Sucked, but Lee Smith was going to be good.
1982 - Willie Hernandez healthy and effective again. Lee Smith showing signs of being a dominant closer. Also: Bill Campbell.
1983 - Smith, Hernandez (before being traded), Campbell, Warren Brusstar and Craig Lefferts.
Want a bad bullpen? See 1986. See 1988. See 2002. But save yourself the time and just turn the TV on now.
Fuck, they're not really going to bring Patton in are they?
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 25, 2009, 09:31:44 PM
By the way, only two teams in MLB history have lost more than eight in a row in a season and still made the playoffs.
Then the whole season comes down to tomorrow's game. Win or go home.
Neal Cotts
Felix Heredia
Mark Guthrie
Will Ohman
Daniel Garibay
Jeff Fassero
Mike Remlinger
What a line of southpaw greatness.
How in the hell is Neil Cotts still even on this team?
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090525&content_id=4949336&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc
QuoteThe lead changed hands again in the Pirates sixth as McLouth smacked a two-run homer off Neal Cotts (0-2) and Andy LaRoche hit an RBI double to go ahead, 9-7. Sanchez added an RBI single in the seventh.
"We've given Neal all the opportunities in the world," Piniella said of the lefty, who has a 7.36 ERA. "It's time, isn't it?"
"I just didn't make pitches tonight," Cotts said.
Oh, it's time, Lou. It's time.
Quote from: morpheus on May 26, 2009, 08:38:02 AM
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090525&content_id=4949336&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc
QuoteThe lead changed hands again in the Pirates sixth as McLouth smacked a two-run homer off Neal Cotts (0-2) and Andy LaRoche hit an RBI double to go ahead, 9-7. Sanchez added an RBI single in the seventh.
"We've given Neal all the opportunities in the world," Piniella said of the lefty, who has a 7.36 ERA. "It's time, isn't it?"
"I just didn't make pitches tonight," Cotts said.
Oh, it's time, Lou. It's time.
It's time allright. It's time for Hendry to tell Cotts to pack up his stuff and hit the road.
Quote from: Waco Kid on May 26, 2009, 05:45:46 AM
How in the hell is Neil Cotts still even on this team?
Well, he's left-handed. It's impossible for right-handed pitchers to get left-handed hitters out, so we gotta have one.
You know has held lefties to a .707 OPS over the past three years, including a .479 OPS this year? Mike Wuertz. I still don't understand why he was traded away for nothing.
Quote from: Eli on May 26, 2009, 11:06:37 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on May 26, 2009, 05:45:46 AM
How in the hell is Neil Cotts still even on this team?
Well, he's left-handed. It's impossible for right-handed pitchers to get left-handed hitters out, so we gotta have one.
You know has held lefties to a .707 OPS over the past three years, including a .479 OPS this year? Mike Wuertz. I still don't understand why he was traded away for nothing.
How can they keep running Cotts out there, but give up on Eyre and Wuertz so easily?
Quote from: butthead on May 26, 2009, 11:12:35 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 26, 2009, 11:06:37 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on May 26, 2009, 05:45:46 AM
How in the hell is Neil Cotts still even on this team?
Well, he's left-handed. It's impossible for right-handed pitchers to get left-handed hitters out, so we gotta have one.
You know has held lefties to a .707 OPS over the past three years, including a .479 OPS this year? Mike Wuertz. I still don't understand why he was traded away for nothing.
How can they keep running Cotts out there, but give up on Eyre and Wuertz so easily?
You just made an enemy, pal.
Quote from: MAD on May 26, 2009, 11:13:39 AM
Quote from: butthead on May 26, 2009, 11:12:35 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 26, 2009, 11:06:37 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on May 26, 2009, 05:45:46 AM
How in the hell is Neil Cotts still even on this team?
Well, he's left-handed. It's impossible for right-handed pitchers to get left-handed hitters out, so we gotta have one.
You know has held lefties to a .707 OPS over the past three years, including a .479 OPS this year? Mike Wuertz. I still don't understand why he was traded away for nothing.
How can they keep running Cotts out there, but give up on Eyre and Wuertz so easily?
You just made an enemy, pal.
Stevie and I are kindred spirits. We both love a good fourthmeal.
Quote from: butthead on May 26, 2009, 11:12:35 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 26, 2009, 11:06:37 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on May 26, 2009, 05:45:46 AM
How in the hell is Neil Cotts still even on this team?
Well, he's left-handed. It's impossible for right-handed pitchers to get left-handed hitters out, so we gotta have one.
You know has held lefties to a .707 OPS over the past three years, including a .479 OPS this year? Mike Wuertz. I still don't understand why he was traded away for nothing.
How can they keep running Cotts out there, but give up on Eyre and Wuertz so easily?
And I'm not even sure "giving up" is the right term for Wuertz, since that would imply he was bad and they got fed up with it. I know there was the perceived issue of him having trouble pitching back-to-back days (though the numbers don't back this up), but he was rock-solid for five years. I'm still confused.
Quote from: Eli on May 26, 2009, 11:16:49 AM
Quote from: butthead on May 26, 2009, 11:12:35 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 26, 2009, 11:06:37 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on May 26, 2009, 05:45:46 AM
How in the hell is Neil Cotts still even on this team?
Well, he's left-handed. It's impossible for right-handed pitchers to get left-handed hitters out, so we gotta have one.
You know has held lefties to a .707 OPS over the past three years, including a .479 OPS this year? Mike Wuertz. I still don't understand why he was traded away for nothing.
How can they keep running Cotts out there, but give up on Eyre and Wuertz so easily?
And I'm not even sure "giving up" is the right term for Wuertz, since that would imply he was bad and they got fed up with it. I know there was the perceived issue of him having trouble pitching back-to-back days (though the numbers don't back this up), but he was rock-solid for five years. I'm still confused.
So emphatically this. Completely baffling. 1.96 ERA and 0.826 WHIP right now with 20 strikeouts against 4 walks. Ugh.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on May 26, 2009, 11:21:48 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 26, 2009, 11:16:49 AM
Quote from: butthead on May 26, 2009, 11:12:35 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 26, 2009, 11:06:37 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on May 26, 2009, 05:45:46 AM
How in the hell is Neil Cotts still even on this team?
Well, he's left-handed. It's impossible for right-handed pitchers to get left-handed hitters out, so we gotta have one.
You know has held lefties to a .707 OPS over the past three years, including a .479 OPS this year? Mike Wuertz. I still don't understand why he was traded away for nothing.
How can they keep running Cotts out there, but give up on Eyre and Wuertz so easily?
And I'm not even sure "giving up" is the right term for Wuertz, since that would imply he was bad and they got fed up with it. I know there was the perceived issue of him having trouble pitching back-to-back days (though the numbers don't back this up), but he was rock-solid for five years. I'm still confused.
So emphatically this. Completely baffling. 1.96 ERA and 0.826 WHIP right now with 20 strikeouts against 4 walks. Ugh.
Gnashing our teeth over losing Michael Wuertz.
Holy fuck.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 26, 2009, 11:24:38 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on May 26, 2009, 11:21:48 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 26, 2009, 11:16:49 AM
Quote from: butthead on May 26, 2009, 11:12:35 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 26, 2009, 11:06:37 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on May 26, 2009, 05:45:46 AM
How in the hell is Neil Cotts still even on this team?
Well, he's left-handed. It's impossible for right-handed pitchers to get left-handed hitters out, so we gotta have one.
You know has held lefties to a .707 OPS over the past three years, including a .479 OPS this year? Mike Wuertz. I still don't understand why he was traded away for nothing.
How can they keep running Cotts out there, but give up on Eyre and Wuertz so easily?
And I'm not even sure "giving up" is the right term for Wuertz, since that would imply he was bad and they got fed up with it. I know there was the perceived issue of him having trouble pitching back-to-back days (though the numbers don't back this up), but he was rock-solid for five years. I'm still confused.
So emphatically this. Completely baffling. 1.96 ERA and 0.826 WHIP right now with 20 strikeouts against 4 walks. Ugh.
Gnashing our teeth over losing Michael Wuertz.
Holy fuck.
This is what happens when watching the likes of Cotts, Patton, and Heilman.
Quote from: Waco Kid on May 26, 2009, 11:26:39 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 26, 2009, 11:24:38 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on May 26, 2009, 11:21:48 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 26, 2009, 11:16:49 AM
Quote from: butthead on May 26, 2009, 11:12:35 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 26, 2009, 11:06:37 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on May 26, 2009, 05:45:46 AM
How in the hell is Neil Cotts still even on this team?
Well, he's left-handed. It's impossible for right-handed pitchers to get left-handed hitters out, so we gotta have one.
You know has held lefties to a .707 OPS over the past three years, including a .479 OPS this year? Mike Wuertz. I still don't understand why he was traded away for nothing.
How can they keep running Cotts out there, but give up on Eyre and Wuertz so easily?
And I'm not even sure "giving up" is the right term for Wuertz, since that would imply he was bad and they got fed up with it. I know there was the perceived issue of him having trouble pitching back-to-back days (though the numbers don't back this up), but he was rock-solid for five years. I'm still confused.
So emphatically this. Completely baffling. 1.96 ERA and 0.826 WHIP right now with 20 strikeouts against 4 walks. Ugh.
Gnashing our teeth over losing Michael Wuertz.
Holy fuck.
This is what happens when watching the likes of Cotts, Patton, and Heilman.
Also makes one wonder why the pitching coach isn't getting his ass reamed too.
Quote from: Eli on May 26, 2009, 11:06:37 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on May 26, 2009, 05:45:46 AM
How in the hell is Neil Cotts still even on this team?
Well, he's left-handed. It's impossible for right-handed pitchers to get left-handed hitters out, so we gotta have one.
You know has held lefties to a .707 OPS over the past three years, including a .479 OPS this year? Mike Wuertz. I still don't understand why he was traded away for nothing.
Do you remember how Wuertz was pretty good when rested but absolutely useless when used on consecutive days? Also, do you remember back when he used to walk guys a ton and crap his pants whenever he was given an opportunity to pitch in a close game with a lead? You might have some stats somewhere that make it look like that's not the case. Maybe you do. I don't know. But I remember this to be the case and I'm pretty sure there were a few GMs around the league who had the same scouting reports telling them what to trade for Wuertz if Hendry ever offered to deal him. I'm sure that the handful of cum they received from Oakland was on everybody's list. Yay for him pitching well on what I think will be a last place team when all is said and done. He pitched well in 2006 if I recall. I had high hopes for him then.
(re-inserts Hendry's wang)
Quote from: Apexx on May 26, 2009, 12:49:28 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 26, 2009, 11:06:37 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on May 26, 2009, 05:45:46 AM
How in the hell is Neil Cotts still even on this team?
Well, he's left-handed. It's impossible for right-handed pitchers to get left-handed hitters out, so we gotta have one.
You know has held lefties to a .707 OPS over the past three years, including a .479 OPS this year? Mike Wuertz. I still don't understand why he was traded away for nothing.
Do you remember how Wuertz was pretty good when rested but absolutely useless when used on consecutive days? Also, do you remember back when he used to walk guys a ton and crap his pants whenever he was given an opportunity to pitch in a close game with a lead? You might have some stats somewhere that make it look like that's not the case. Maybe you do. I don't know.
To answer your questions...
Quote from: Eli on May 26, 2009, 11:16:49 AM
And I'm not even sure "giving up" is the right term for Wuertz, since that would imply he was bad and they got fed up with it. I know there was the perceived issue of him having trouble pitching back-to-back days (though the numbers don't back this up), but he was rock-solid for five years. I'm still confused.
Quote from: Apexx on May 26, 2009, 12:49:28 PM
Do you remember how Wuertz was pretty good when rested but absolutely useless when used on consecutive days?
I remember people talking about it, yes. But ...
QuoteYou might have some stats somewhere that make it look like that's not the case. Maybe you do. I don't know.
Yesssssss!
Michael Wuertz, 2006-2008:
0 day's rest: 2.35 ERA
1 day's rest: 3.50 ERA
2 day's rest: 4.23 ERA
The Blackhawks have to win tonight, because I am nowhere near ready to come back to this shit.
Quote from: Eli on May 26, 2009, 12:57:49 PM
Quote from: Apexx on May 26, 2009, 12:49:28 PM
Do you remember how Wuertz was pretty good when rested but absolutely useless when used on consecutive days?
I remember people talking about it, yes. But ...
QuoteYou might have some stats somewhere that make it look like that's not the case. Maybe you do. I don't know.
Yesssssss!
Michael Wuertz, 2006-2008:
0 day's rest: 2.35 ERA
1 day's rest: 3.50 ERA
2 day's rest: 4.23 ERA
I'll play statfag and feel free to VORP-whip me if this is out of line.
But is ERA really the most effective measurement of a pitcher coming out of the pen? Generally with runners on base? Just a question. Harmless, at that.
I'll hang up and wait for an answer.
Quote from: CT III on May 26, 2009, 01:05:35 PM
The Blackhawks have to win tonight, because I am nowhere near ready to come back to this shit.
The Blackhawks aint winnin' shit tonight.
Since we're bringing up glorious names from the recent past, how about David Aardsma? 1.25 ERA, 1.11 WHIP in 21.2 IP for the Mariners. 6-for-6 in save opportunities, holding RH to a .417 OPS and LH to a .590 OPS. K/W is not sparkling (24/13) but not awful.
Quote from: Slakee on May 26, 2009, 01:11:22 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 26, 2009, 12:57:49 PM
Quote from: Apexx on May 26, 2009, 12:49:28 PM
Do you remember how Wuertz was pretty good when rested but absolutely useless when used on consecutive days?
I remember people talking about it, yes. But ...
QuoteYou might have some stats somewhere that make it look like that's not the case. Maybe you do. I don't know.
Yesssssss!
Michael Wuertz, 2006-2008:
0 day's rest: 2.35 ERA
1 day's rest: 3.50 ERA
2 day's rest: 4.23 ERA
I'll play statfag and feel free to VORP-whip me if this is out of line.
But is ERA really the most effective measurement of a pitcher coming out of the pen? Generally with runners on base? Just a question. Harmless, at that.
I'll hang up and wait for an answer.
Here's all the stats you should want for Wuertz's career. Like Eli said, the "Wuertz can't pitch on consecutive days," is, for the most part, a load of shit.
I Split G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR SB CS BB SO SO/BB BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB BAbip tOPS+
2nd in DHGR 1 4 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 -100
0 DaysGR 76 284 242 34 59 13 2 11 4 2 34 65 1.91 .244 .337 .450 .787 109 6 1 5 2 3 .286 129
1 DayGR 96 409 362 35 73 15 1 7 8 4 41 114 2.78 .202 .281 .307 .588 111 2 0 4 2 4 .272 73
2 DaysGR 56 254 220 29 57 9 1 7 6 1 32 48 1.50 .259 .350 .405 .755 89 6 0 0 2 8 .299 121
3 DaysGR 23 95 83 8 17 3 0 2 0 1 9 20 2.22 .205 .277 .313 .590 26 3 0 1 2 1 .238 73
4 DaysGR 11 39 36 1 4 2 1 0 1 0 2 13 6.50 .111 .158 .222 .380 8 0 0 1 0 1 .174 10
5 DaysGR 5 20 17 4 5 1 1 0 1 1 2 4 2.00 .294 .368 .471 .839 8 0 0 1 0 1 .385 145
6+ DaysGR 19 97 82 12 25 7 0 1 6 2 12 25 2.08 .305 .389 .427 .816 35 2 0 2 1 0 .421 140
For what it's worth, Wuertz's career "clutch" stats. The 2 outs RISP numbers aren't good (but look at the lofty BAbip in that situation). The rest of his numbers are solid.
I Split G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR SB CS BB SO SO/BB BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB BAbip tOPS+
2 outs RISP 141 210 174 67 48 12 4 3 2 3 36 47 1.31 .276 .400 .443 .843 77 0 0 0 0 14 .363 147
Late Close 104 368 317 31 62 9 1 4 10 4 43 85 1.98 .196 .292 .268 .560 85 4 1 5 2 8 .252 66
Tie Game 48 159 139 18 33 6 1 4 4 4 15 38 2.53 .237 .310 .381 .691 53 1 0 4 1 5 .296 102
Within 1 R 113 413 364 44 84 17 1 6 9 6 41 94 2.29 .231 .310 .332 .642 121 3 1 6 1 8 .294 89
Within 2 R 165 610 532 71 117 23 2 12 11 8 64 151 2.36 .220 .303 .338 .642 180 6 1 10 3 14 .282 88
Within 3 R 201 760 665 96 151 31 4 16 17 9 78 186 2.38 .227 .307 .358 .665 238 8 1 12 4 16 .289 95
Within 4 R 236 927 803 118 181 36 5 18 23 10 103 223 2.17 .225 .312 .350 .662 281 11 1 14 6 16 .287 94
Margin 4 R 72 275 243 38 59 14 1 10 3 1 29 67 2.31 .243 .320 .432 .752 105 8 0 0 3 2 .290 119
Quote from: Kermit, B. on May 26, 2009, 01:15:25 PM
Quote from: Slakee on May 26, 2009, 01:11:22 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 26, 2009, 12:57:49 PM
Quote from: Apexx on May 26, 2009, 12:49:28 PM
Do you remember how Wuertz was pretty good when rested but absolutely useless when used on consecutive days?
I remember people talking about it, yes. But ...
QuoteYou might have some stats somewhere that make it look like that's not the case. Maybe you do. I don't know.
Yesssssss!
Michael Wuertz, 2006-2008:
0 day's rest: 2.35 ERA
1 day's rest: 3.50 ERA
2 day's rest: 4.23 ERA
I'll play statfag and feel free to VORP-whip me if this is out of line.
But is ERA really the most effective measurement of a pitcher coming out of the pen? Generally with runners on base? Just a question. Harmless, at that.
I'll hang up and wait for an answer.
Here's all the stats you should want for Wuertz's career. Like Eli said, the "Wuertz can't pitch on consecutive days," is, for the most part, a load of shit.
I Split G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR SB CS BB SO SO/BB BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB BAbip tOPS+
2nd in DHGR 1 4 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 -100
0 DaysGR 76 284 242 34 59 13 2 11 4 2 34 65 1.91 .244 .337 .450 .787 109 6 1 5 2 3 .286 129
1 DayGR 96 409 362 35 73 15 1 7 8 4 41 114 2.78 .202 .281 .307 .588 111 2 0 4 2 4 .272 73
2 DaysGR 56 254 220 29 57 9 1 7 6 1 32 48 1.50 .259 .350 .405 .755 89 6 0 0 2 8 .299 121
3 DaysGR 23 95 83 8 17 3 0 2 0 1 9 20 2.22 .205 .277 .313 .590 26 3 0 1 2 1 .238 73
4 DaysGR 11 39 36 1 4 2 1 0 1 0 2 13 6.50 .111 .158 .222 .380 8 0 0 1 0 1 .174 10
5 DaysGR 5 20 17 4 5 1 1 0 1 1 2 4 2.00 .294 .368 .471 .839 8 0 0 1 0 1 .385 145
6+ DaysGR 19 97 82 12 25 7 0 1 6 2 12 25 2.08 .305 .389 .427 .816 35 2 0 2 1 0 .421 140
Is this really going to turn into "The One That Got Away" thread?
Because that would be a really shitty thread.
Quote from: Slakee on May 26, 2009, 01:11:53 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 26, 2009, 01:05:35 PM
The Blackhawks have to win tonight, because I am nowhere near ready to come back to this shit.
The Blackhawks aint winnin' shit tonight.
I hate you.
Quote from: CT III on May 26, 2009, 01:19:39 PM
Quote from: Slakee on May 26, 2009, 01:11:53 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 26, 2009, 01:05:35 PM
The Blackhawks have to win tonight, because I am nowhere near ready to come back to this shit.
The Blackhawks aint winnin' shit tonight.
I hate you.
Skak kills all joy.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 26, 2009, 01:19:11 PM
Is this really going to turn into "The One That Got Away" thread?
Because that would be a really shitty thread.
Ricky Nolasco, since being sent down to the Minors, has the lowest trade value ever. GO RIGHT THAT WRONG HENDRY!
Quote from: Jon on May 26, 2009, 01:20:32 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 26, 2009, 01:19:39 PM
Quote from: Slakee on May 26, 2009, 01:11:53 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 26, 2009, 01:05:35 PM
The Blackhawks have to win tonight, because I am nowhere near ready to come back to this shit.
The Blackhawks aint winnin' shit tonight.
I hate you.
Skak kills all joy.
The Red Wings won't win shit, either. So we've got that going for us.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 26, 2009, 01:19:11 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on May 26, 2009, 01:15:25 PM
Quote from: Slakee on May 26, 2009, 01:11:22 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 26, 2009, 12:57:49 PM
Quote from: Apexx on May 26, 2009, 12:49:28 PM
Do you remember how Wuertz was pretty good when rested but absolutely useless when used on consecutive days?
I remember people talking about it, yes. But ...
QuoteYou might have some stats somewhere that make it look like that's not the case. Maybe you do. I don't know.
Yesssssss!
Michael Wuertz, 2006-2008:
0 day's rest: 2.35 ERA
1 day's rest: 3.50 ERA
2 day's rest: 4.23 ERA
I'll play statfag and feel free to VORP-whip me if this is out of line.
But is ERA really the most effective measurement of a pitcher coming out of the pen? Generally with runners on base? Just a question. Harmless, at that.
I'll hang up and wait for an answer.
Here's all the stats you should want for Wuertz's career. Like Eli said, the "Wuertz can't pitch on consecutive days," is, for the most part, a load of shit.
I Split G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR SB CS BB SO SO/BB BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB BAbip tOPS+
2nd in DHGR 1 4 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 -100
0 DaysGR 76 284 242 34 59 13 2 11 4 2 34 65 1.91 .244 .337 .450 .787 109 6 1 5 2 3 .286 129
1 DayGR 96 409 362 35 73 15 1 7 8 4 41 114 2.78 .202 .281 .307 .588 111 2 0 4 2 4 .272 73
2 DaysGR 56 254 220 29 57 9 1 7 6 1 32 48 1.50 .259 .350 .405 .755 89 6 0 0 2 8 .299 121
3 DaysGR 23 95 83 8 17 3 0 2 0 1 9 20 2.22 .205 .277 .313 .590 26 3 0 1 2 1 .238 73
4 DaysGR 11 39 36 1 4 2 1 0 1 0 2 13 6.50 .111 .158 .222 .380 8 0 0 1 0 1 .174 10
5 DaysGR 5 20 17 4 5 1 1 0 1 1 2 4 2.00 .294 .368 .471 .839 8 0 0 1 0 1 .385 145
6+ DaysGR 19 97 82 12 25 7 0 1 6 2 12 25 2.08 .305 .389 .427 .816 35 2 0 2 1 0 .421 140
Is this really going to turn into "The One That Got Away" thread?
Because that would be a really shitty thread.
Agreed.
I do think what Wuertz and Aaaaaaardsma are doing should call into question Rothschild's competence though.
Quote from: Jon on May 26, 2009, 01:20:32 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 26, 2009, 01:19:39 PM
Quote from: Slakee on May 26, 2009, 01:11:53 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 26, 2009, 01:05:35 PM
The Blackhawks have to win tonight, because I am nowhere near ready to come back to this shit.
The Blackhawks aint winnin' shit tonight.
I hate you.
Skak kills all joy.
I know - fuck that Skak guy for knowing when the Hawks actually play.
Quote from: Slakee on May 26, 2009, 01:32:00 PM
Quote from: Jon on May 26, 2009, 01:20:32 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 26, 2009, 01:19:39 PM
Quote from: Slakee on May 26, 2009, 01:11:53 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 26, 2009, 01:05:35 PM
The Blackhawks have to win tonight, because I am nowhere near ready to come back to this shit.
The Blackhawks aint winnin' shit tonight.
I hate you.
Skak kills all joy.
I know - fuck that Skak guy for knowing when the Hawks actually play.
Dammit, I knew I shouldn't have taken typing lessons from MikeD.
Look, just because there's no game mean CT's hope needed to be dashed.
Quote from: Slakee on May 26, 2009, 01:32:00 PM
Quote from: Jon on May 26, 2009, 01:20:32 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 26, 2009, 01:19:39 PM
Quote from: Slakee on May 26, 2009, 01:11:53 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 26, 2009, 01:05:35 PM
The Blackhawks have to win tonight, because I am nowhere near ready to come back to this shit.
The Blackhawks aint winnin' shit tonight.
I hate you.
Skak kills all joy.
I know - fuck that Skak guy for knowing when the Hawks actually playwhat day of the week it actually is.
Dammit.
Quote from: Slakee on May 26, 2009, 01:11:22 PM
But is ERA really the most effective measurement of a pitcher coming out of the pen? Generally with runners on base? Just a question. Harmless, at that.
Nah, it's not. I just used it because it's the easiest number to grasp for a comparison. I don't think Apex would have looked kindly on any of the super-statfaggy numbers, so I left it alone.
I'll also agree with PenFoe that this is just Mike Wuertz we're talking about. Relievers can swing a team
maybe 2-3 wins a year, so we shouldn't get too bent out of shape. My bad for letting this all escalate.
Quote from: CT III on May 26, 2009, 01:35:51 PM
Quote from: Slakee on May 26, 2009, 01:32:00 PM
Quote from: Jon on May 26, 2009, 01:20:32 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 26, 2009, 01:19:39 PM
Quote from: Slakee on May 26, 2009, 01:11:53 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 26, 2009, 01:05:35 PM
The Blackhawks have to win tonight, because I am nowhere near ready to come back to this shit.
The Blackhawks aint winnin' shit tonight.
I hate you.
Skak kills all joy.
I know - fuck that Skak guy for knowing when the Hawks actually playwhat day of the week it actually is.
Dammit.
Holiday weekends fuck me up, too.
I still feel like that brutal Game 4 was played like 3 or 4 days ago.
Quote from: Eli on May 26, 2009, 01:42:53 PM
Quote from: Slakee on May 26, 2009, 01:11:22 PM
But is ERA really the most effective measurement of a pitcher coming out of the pen? Generally with runners on base? Just a question. Harmless, at that.
Nah, it's not. I just used it because it's the easiest number to grasp for a comparison. I don't think Apex would have looked kindly on any of the super-statfaggy numbers, so I left it alone.
I'll also agree with PenFoe that this is just Mike Wuertz we're talking about. Relievers can swing a team maybe 2-3 wins a year, so we shouldn't get too bent out of shape. My bad for letting this all escalate.
Well, ok then. I always kind of liked Wuertz. But Lou, Dusty, Rothschild and the Tribune Company ruined him. Look at the numbers... They'll tell you he was Rock Solid for five years. And that he gave up more of his HRs on 0 days rest than on 1 or 2. A guy can get a reputation like that, deserved or otherwise.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 26, 2009, 01:19:11 PM
Is this really going to turn into "The One That Got Away" thread?
Because that would be a really shitty thread.
Nope. I just like using the "Insert Code" button.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on May 26, 2009, 02:11:30 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 26, 2009, 01:19:11 PM
Is this really going to turn into "The One That Got Away" thread?
Because that would be a really shitty thread.
Nope. I just like using the "Insert Code" button.
It reminds him of the heady days when he used to have his own Cubs site.
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/05/cubs-call-up-fox-send-down-scales-and-cotts-put-miles-on-dl.html (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/05/cubs-call-up-fox-send-down-scales-and-cotts-put-miles-on-dl.html)
Cotts & Scales to Iowa, Miles to the "DL".
Welcome back positive.
Quote from: Waco Kid on May 27, 2009, 10:20:36 AM
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/05/cubs-call-up-fox-send-down-scales-and-cotts-put-miles-on-dl.html (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/05/cubs-call-up-fox-send-down-scales-and-cotts-put-miles-on-dl.html)
Cotts & Scales to Iowa, Miles to the "DL".
Welcome back positive.
I would give you imitation crab meat if you were here right now.
Why is David Patton still on this club?
Quote from: Waco Kid on May 27, 2009, 10:20:36 AM
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/05/cubs-call-up-fox-send-down-scales-and-cotts-put-miles-on-dl.html (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/05/cubs-call-up-fox-send-down-scales-and-cotts-put-miles-on-dl.html)
Cotts & Scales to Iowa, Miles to the "DL".
Welcome back positive.
Up comes Jake Fox (where's he gonna play?), a lefty reliver with a 5.40 ERA, and a SS.
Quote from: Brownie on May 27, 2009, 10:26:54 AM
Why is David Patton still on this club?
David Patton seems to be Hendry's newest Rich Hill.
Quote from: Dave B on May 27, 2009, 10:32:10 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on May 27, 2009, 10:20:36 AM
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/05/cubs-call-up-fox-send-down-scales-and-cotts-put-miles-on-dl.html (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/05/cubs-call-up-fox-send-down-scales-and-cotts-put-miles-on-dl.html)
Cotts & Scales to Iowa, Miles to the "DL".
Welcome back positive.
Up comes Jake Fox (where's he gonna play?), a lefty reliver with a 5.40 ERA, and a SS.
Lee to the Mets for Johan Santana. Fox and Hoffpauir platoon at first.
Quote from: Dave B on May 27, 2009, 10:32:10 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on May 27, 2009, 10:20:36 AM
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/05/cubs-call-up-fox-send-down-scales-and-cotts-put-miles-on-dl.html (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/05/cubs-call-up-fox-send-down-scales-and-cotts-put-miles-on-dl.html)
Cotts & Scales to Iowa, Miles to the "DL".
Welcome back positive.
Up comes Jake Fox (where's he gonna play?), a lefty reliver with a 5.40 ERA, and a SS.
Stick a candle in his hand and see if he can light a fire under #25's Punch-and-Judy ass.
Although I fear his glove to be of McGriffian quality. Hope I'm wrong.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on May 27, 2009, 10:34:20 AM
Quote from: Dave B on May 27, 2009, 10:32:10 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on May 27, 2009, 10:20:36 AM
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/05/cubs-call-up-fox-send-down-scales-and-cotts-put-miles-on-dl.html (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/05/cubs-call-up-fox-send-down-scales-and-cotts-put-miles-on-dl.html)
Cotts & Scales to Iowa, Miles to the "DL".
Welcome back positive.
Up comes Jake Fox (where's he gonna play?), a lefty reliver with a 5.40 ERA, and a SS.
Lee to the Mets for Johan Santana. Fox and Hoffpauir platoon at first.
Yes.
I mean, we already gave them Angel Pagan, right? (PTBNP.)
Rube will fit perfectly in this bullpen. Small sample vs. lefties:
6 IP, 9 H, 2 BB
(http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_455730.jpg)
This should end well.
Quote from: MAD on May 27, 2009, 10:34:57 AM
Although I fear his glove to be of McGriffian quality. Hope I'm wrong.
I think it's even worse than that.
Quote from: Waco Kid on May 27, 2009, 10:20:36 AM
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/05/cubs-call-up-fox-send-down-scales-and-cotts-put-miles-on-dl.html (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/05/cubs-call-up-fox-send-down-scales-and-cotts-put-miles-on-dl.html)
Cotts & Scales to Iowa, Miles to the "DL".
Welcome back positive.
Sigh...clearly Freel should have been the one sent down instead of Bobby, but then Hendry would have to even further admit how much he's sucked this year and obviously that's not an option.
Jake Fox was apparently getting some time at 3B in the minors, hopefully he can fit in there rather than creating more of a logjam at 1B/RF. He's been raking too much to not get a chance.
As for Rube...I mean...would it be completely crazy not to have a lefty in the pen?
Wouldn't it be better to have effective righties?
Quote from: Eli on May 27, 2009, 11:07:24 AM
Quote from: MAD on May 27, 2009, 10:34:57 AM
Although I fear his glove to be of McGriffian quality. Hope I'm wrong.
I think it's even worse than that.
Yeah, he's awful at defense. I can't seem to find them now, but AZ Phil at the Cub Reporter wrote about several clown-college plays Fox made at 1B this last spring training. Here's what I could find (http://thecubreporter.com/2009/03/21/cubs-out-fox-sox-camelback-ranch):
QuoteI think it's fairly obvious that Jake Fox can hit, and he probably has the most power of any player in the Cubs minor league system. The problem is, his best position is DH, but if he stays in the N. L., his only chance to DH is a couple of weeks in June during interleague play and then (maybe!) in the World Series.
Fox is a defensive liability no matter where he plays, but it looks like the position where he might have a chance to become at least passably mediocre is 1st base, and so it appears that the Cubs have decided to get him as many reps as possible there, which is probably why he hasn't played any LF, RF, 3B, or catcher so far this Spring, even occasionally.
This was from 5/24: (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-24-cubs-britemay24,0,5307612.story)
Quote
Fox watch: Jake Fox has a 13-game hitting streak at Triple-A Iowa and is hitting .423 with 17 homers and 50 RBIs in 37 games.
But if the Cubs call him up, it probably won't be until the final week of June, when they get to use a designated hitter in six interleague games against the White Sox and Detroit.
"We've talked about Jake, but where do you put him?" Piniella said. "We know he's swinging the bat really well. ... If he could play third base, that would be an obvious place. He's been playing third base a little more in Triple A, but that's a tough position to play.
"I know we're having trouble scoring runs, but, boy, if we give up many, it makes it more difficult. Maybe when we get into the American League and you need a DH, or we want to put him at first base and DH Derrek Lee one day, or something like that, that's a possibility."
Quote from: PenFoe on May 27, 2009, 11:12:58 AM
As for Rube...I mean...would it be completely crazy not to have a lefty in the pen?
Wouldn't it be better to have effective righties?
Yes. That's what the Padres did for much of the 2007 season, if I recall correctly.
Quote from: Lou on May 27, 2009, 11:16:00 AM
"He's been playing third base a little more in Triple A, but that's a tough position to play."
I was under the impression that Fox hadn't played any third base this year.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 27, 2009, 11:16:00 AM
This was from 5/24: (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-24-cubs-britemay24,0,5307612.story)
Quote
"We've talked about Jake, but where do you put him?" Piniella said. "We know he's swinging the bat really well. ... If he could play third base, that would be an obvious place. He's been playing third base a little more in Triple A, but that's a tough position to play.
He can't be much worse than Freel and Fonty. Can he? In the last week or so we've watched these two queers drop foul balls, lose footraces, and just generally look like monkeys having sex with door knobs. And we haven't hated them for it, we hate them because they cannot hit a baseball.
Having a nice rack helps me overlook buttered faces.
Quote from: Eli on May 27, 2009, 11:37:51 AM
Quote from: Lou on May 27, 2009, 11:16:00 AM
"He's been playing third base a little more in Triple A, but that's a tough position to play."
I was under the impression that Fox hadn't played any third base this year.
The impression I've gotten is that they've been getting him some work there since Pancakes went down, to see if he could serve as a desperation 3B.
Quote from: Eli on May 27, 2009, 11:37:51 AM
Quote from: Lou on May 27, 2009, 11:16:00 AM
"He's been playing third base a little more in Triple A, but that's a tough position to play."
I was under the impression that Fox hadn't played any third base this year.
Per B-R (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=fox---003jac), he's played exactly 1 game at 3B this year.
I guess 1 is a little more than 0.
Quote from: Tank on May 27, 2009, 11:45:06 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 27, 2009, 11:37:51 AM
Quote from: Lou on May 27, 2009, 11:16:00 AM
"He's been playing third base a little more in Triple A, but that's a tough position to play."
I was under the impression that Fox hadn't played any third base this year.
The impression I've gotten is that they've been getting him some work there since Pancakes went down, to see if he could serve as a desperation 3B.
I forget, is it desperation time now?
Now we know what Carlos has been up to:
http://deadspin.com/5270503/carlos-marmol-leaves-team-to-be-with-wife-not-pictured-his-wife?skyline=true&s=x
Quote from: Dave B on May 27, 2009, 12:28:42 PM
Now we know what Carlos has been up to:
http://deadspin.com/5270503/carlos-marmol-leaves-team-to-be-with-wife-not-pictured-his-wife?skyline=true&s=x
I've come to expect nothing but chivalry and class from pro baseball players. You've shattered my entire world.
Quote from: Slakee on May 27, 2009, 12:32:24 PM
Quote from: Dave B on May 27, 2009, 12:28:42 PM
Now we know what Carlos has been up to:
http://deadspin.com/5270503/carlos-marmol-leaves-team-to-be-with-wife-not-pictured-his-wife?skyline=true&s=x
I've come to expect nothing but chivalry and class from pro baseball players. You've shattered my entire world.
I'm more disappointed that he's wearing (what appears to be) a Remetee.
Quote from: ChuckD on May 27, 2009, 01:55:48 PM
Quote from: Slakee on May 27, 2009, 12:32:24 PM
Quote from: Dave B on May 27, 2009, 12:28:42 PM
Now we know what Carlos has been up to:
http://deadspin.com/5270503/carlos-marmol-leaves-team-to-be-with-wife-not-pictured-his-wife?skyline=true&s=x
I've come to expect nothing but chivalry and class from pro baseball players. You've shattered my entire world.
I'm more disappointed that he's wearing (what appears to be) a Remetee.
The girl in the picture is against cancer according to her bracelet. IDITOS
Quote from: ChuckD on May 27, 2009, 01:55:48 PM
Quote from: Slakee on May 27, 2009, 12:32:24 PM
Quote from: Dave B on May 27, 2009, 12:28:42 PM
Now we know what Carlos has been up to:
http://deadspin.com/5270503/carlos-marmol-leaves-team-to-be-with-wife-not-pictured-his-wife?skyline=true&s=x
I've come to expect nothing but chivalry and class from pro baseball players. You've shattered my entire world.
I'm more disappointed that he's wearing (what appears to be) a Remetee.
It says Affliction.
So it's by the same brain trust behind Remetee.
Splooge.
Now get that shrieking hissy fit about Marmol's control problems over with and let's have a cold one, octaroons.
Nice work by the bullpen today.
Asscan, Angel, Marshall...the bullpen is the strength of the team!
Anhell Goozman is dealing some seriously disgusting shit up there. I almost feel bad for opposing hitters.
I think you'll see more of him in critical situations while the Marmot gets his shit straightened out.
Marmol and Angel will get flip-flopped in their roles until Angel's arm falls off. You know, Tuesday.
Well, even though the Bullpen angst has been mostly resolved, it's never bad when you can add the Cutter that will drink the blood of non-believers.
Quote
DES MOINES -- The Cubs have found what they've been looking for out of right-hander Kevin Hart at Class AAA Iowa, and that is consistency.
Maybe someone who's registered can tell us what the rest of this (http://cubs.scout.com/a.z?s=260&p=2&c=872521&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fcubs.scout.com%2f2%2f872521.html) says.
And ten they can explain why they paid...$89.99/year for that?
Quote from: PenFoe on June 15, 2009, 07:10:36 PM
Well, even though the Bullpen angst has been mostly resolved, it's never bad when you can add the Cutter that will drink the blood of non-believers.
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DES MOINES -- The Cubs have found what they've been looking for out of right-hander Kevin Hart at Class AAA Iowa, and that is consistency.
Maybe someone who's registered can tell us what the rest of this (http://cubs.scout.com/a.z?s=260&p=2&c=872521&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fcubs.scout.com%2f2%2f872521.html) says.
And ten they can explain why they paid...$89.99/year for that?
His numbers are pretty good actually. 50ks in 46.1 innings, 33 hits and a WHIP of 1.08.
Sweet.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 15, 2009, 07:10:36 PM
Well, even though the Bullpen angst has been mostly resolved, it's never bad when you can add the Cutter that will drink the blood of non-believers.
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DES MOINES -- The Cubs have found what they've been looking for out of right-hander Kevin Hart at Class AAA Iowa, and that is consistency.
Maybe someone who's registered can tell us what the rest of this (http://cubs.scout.com/a.z?s=260&p=2&c=872521&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fcubs.scout.com%2f2%2f872521.html) says.
And ten they can explain why they paid...$89.99/year for that?
Inside The Ivy! (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=82.0)
Told you.
Quote from: Slak on June 15, 2009, 07:22:50 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 15, 2009, 07:10:36 PM
Well, even though the Bullpen angst has been mostly resolved, it's never bad when you can add the Cutter that will drink the blood of non-believers.
Quote
DES MOINES -- The Cubs have found what they've been looking for out of right-hander Kevin Hart at Class AAA Iowa, and that is consistency.
Maybe someone who's registered can tell us what the rest of this (http://cubs.scout.com/a.z?s=260&p=2&c=872521&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fcubs.scout.com%2f2%2f872521.html) says.
And ten they can explain why they paid...$89.99/year for that?
His numbers are pretty good actually. 50ks in 46.1 innings, 33 hits and a WHIP of 1.08.
Sweet.
The Cubs could use a 14th pitcher on the roster.
Quote from: CT III on June 15, 2009, 08:00:54 PM
Quote from: Slak on June 15, 2009, 07:22:50 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 15, 2009, 07:10:36 PM
Well, even though the Bullpen angst has been mostly resolved, it's never bad when you can add the Cutter that will drink the blood of non-believers.
Quote
DES MOINES -- The Cubs have found what they've been looking for out of right-hander Kevin Hart at Class AAA Iowa, and that is consistency.
Maybe someone who's registered can tell us what the rest of this (http://cubs.scout.com/a.z?s=260&p=2&c=872521&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fcubs.scout.com%2f2%2f872521.html) says.
And ten they can explain why they paid...$89.99/year for that?
His numbers are pretty good actually. 50ks in 46.1 innings, 33 hits and a WHIP of 1.08.
Sweet.
The Cubs could use a 14th pitcher on the roster.
Or one Not David Patton.
There's some good news and bad news here:
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Kevin%20Hart&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=453954
The stats are quite encouraging, particularly that 1.08 WHIP. The facial hair will cause me to hop off this dude's bandwagon even as it careens toward Wrigley hell bent for election.
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 15, 2009, 08:50:35 PM
There's some good news and bad news here:
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Kevin%20Hart&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=453954
The stats are quite encouraging, particularly that 1.08 WHIP. The facial hair will cause me to hop off this dude's bandwagon even as it careens toward Wrigley hell bent for election.
He looks like a villain from the silent film era.
Quote from: Slak on June 15, 2009, 08:56:01 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 15, 2009, 08:50:35 PM
There's some good news and bad news here:
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Kevin%20Hart&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=453954
The stats are quite encouraging, particularly that 1.08 WHIP. The facial hair will cause me to hop off this dude's bandwagon even as it careens toward Wrigley hell bent for election.
He looks like a villain from the silent film era.
Or this guy...
(http://i42.tinypic.com/8x2drq.jpg)
Quote from: Tank on June 15, 2009, 09:30:52 PM
Quote from: Slak on June 15, 2009, 08:56:01 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 15, 2009, 08:50:35 PM
There's some good news and bad news here:
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Kevin%20Hart&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=453954
The stats are quite encouraging, particularly that 1.08 WHIP. The facial hair will cause me to hop off this dude's bandwagon even as it careens toward Wrigley hell bent for election.
He looks like a villain from the silent film era.
Or this guy...
(http://i42.tinypic.com/8x2drq.jpg)
I am the walrus.
Quote from: Tank on June 15, 2009, 09:30:52 PM
Quote from: Slak on June 15, 2009, 08:56:01 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 15, 2009, 08:50:35 PM
There's some good news and bad news here:
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Kevin%20Hart&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=453954
The stats are quite encouraging, particularly that 1.08 WHIP. The facial hair will cause me to hop off this dude's bandwagon even as it careens toward Wrigley hell bent for election.
He looks like a villain from the silent film era.
Or this guy...
(http://i42.tinypic.com/8x2drq.jpg)
I thought those guys broke up!
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 15, 2009, 08:50:35 PM
There's some good news and bad news here:
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Kevin%20Hart&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=453954
The stats are quite encouraging, particularly that 1.08 WHIP. The facial hair will cause me to hop off this dude's bandwagon even as it careens toward Wrigley hell bent for election.
Nice blood strainer.
Thanks a lot, mouthbreather.
How many more blown saves and hanging breaking balls do we have to see out of this guy before Piniella gets a clue that this dude ain't got what it takes to close? If You Seek Amy!
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 16, 2009, 02:44:46 PM
BOOOOOOO!!! Kevin Gregg!! BOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Fuck him. And Boo.
All this. Walk the leadoff hitter, hang a curveball. Lose the game.
Then again, who's a better choice to close the game among the junk in the bullpen?
Quote from: Brownie on June 23, 2009, 08:52:34 PM
All this. Walk the leadoff hitter, hang a curveball. Lose the game.
Then again, who's a better choice to close the game among the junk in the bullpen?
AngeDL Guzman?
Let's be honest, we'd all feel a lot better if it had been Kerry Wood who'd blown that save. At least he gets it.
Kevin Gregg master of the big fat homerun pitch.
Quote from: Brownie on June 23, 2009, 08:52:34 PM
All this. Walk the leadoff hitter, hang a curveball. Lose the game.
Then again, who's a better choice to close the game among the junk in the bullpen?
Bruce Sutter?
Gregg's blown like 3 or 4 of these games. Most of your run-of-the-mill closers will blow about 6 to 8 of these games in a season. Kevin Gregg is not elite--hell, he has to have his mittens pinned to his jacket in the winter--but he's actually performed about what you'd expect out of a guy who's not the Fruitbat, not KRod, not the claymation version of Burl Ives from "Rudolph the Rednose Reindeer" (C'mon, wor (http://www.edhumphries.com/wp-content/uploads/samsnowman.jpg)k with me here (http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/04ZhbVM7J57M7/610x.jpg)). He's certainly no worse than Kerry Wood. This game sucked, but I'm-a-going to refrain from calling for this tard's head just yet.
Quote from: MAD on June 24, 2009, 12:03:20 AM
Gregg's blown like 3 or 4 of these games. Most of your run-of-the-mill closers will blow about 6 to 8 of these games in a season. Kevin Gregg is not elite--hell, he has to have his mittens pinned to his jacket in the winter--but he's actually performed about what you'd expect out of a guy who's not the Fruitbat, not KRod, not the claymation version of Burl Ives from "Rudolph the Rednose Reindeer" (C'mon, wor (http://www.edhumphries.com/wp-content/uploads/samsnowman.jpg)k with me here (http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/04ZhbVM7J57M7/610x.jpg)). He's certainly no worse than Kerry Wood. This game sucked, but I'm-a-going to refrain from calling for this tard's head just yet.
Huard you beautiful bastard.
Quote from: Slak on June 24, 2009, 09:06:56 AM
Quote from: MAD on June 24, 2009, 12:03:20 AM
Gregg's blown like 3 or 4 of these games. Most of your run-of-the-mill closers will blow about 6 to 8 of these games in a season. Kevin Gregg is not elite--hell, he has to have his mittens pinned to his jacket in the winter--but he's actually performed about what you'd expect out of a guy who's not the Fruitbat, not KRod, not the claymation version of Burl Ives from "Rudolph the Rednose Reindeer" (C'mon, wor (http://www.edhumphries.com/wp-content/uploads/samsnowman.jpg)k with me here (http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/04ZhbVM7J57M7/610x.jpg)). He's certainly no worse than Kerry Wood. This game sucked, but I'm-a-going to refrain from calling for this tard's head just yet.
Huard you beautiful bastard.
Huey is an idiot. How dare he not call for the tard to be tard and feathered. The guy had the nerve to blow a save after being the Cubs best reliever this month (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/pitching?team=chc&cat=WHIP&season=2009&split=42&seasonType=2&type=std). And he's right around 80% in converting save opportunities, about what you'd expect from an average closer. What a gutless asshole.
Edited to note that morph already covered Tardface's acceptable averageness in the Gregg thread.
Quote from: RV on June 24, 2009, 09:27:16 AM
Quote from: Slak on June 24, 2009, 09:06:56 AM
Quote from: MAD on June 24, 2009, 12:03:20 AM
Gregg's blown like 3 or 4 of these games. Most of your run-of-the-mill closers will blow about 6 to 8 of these games in a season. Kevin Gregg is not elite--hell, he has to have his mittens pinned to his jacket in the winter--but he's actually performed about what you'd expect out of a guy who's not the Fruitbat, not KRod, not the claymation version of Burl Ives from "Rudolph the Rednose Reindeer" (C'mon, wor (http://www.edhumphries.com/wp-content/uploads/samsnowman.jpg)k with me here (http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/04ZhbVM7J57M7/610x.jpg)). He's certainly no worse than Kerry Wood. This game sucked, but I'm-a-going to refrain from calling for this tard's head just yet.
Huard you beautiful bastard.
Huey is an idiot. How dare he not call for the tard to be tard and tarted feathered.
IAN'd
I think the only reason Huey isn't calling for Gregg's head is the sheer size of it. Holy crap, you'd need a semi to haul that thing home.
Quote from: RV on June 24, 2009, 09:27:16 AM
Quote from: Slak on June 24, 2009, 09:06:56 AM
Quote from: MAD on June 24, 2009, 12:03:20 AM
Gregg's blown like 3 or 4 of these games. Most of your run-of-the-mill closers will blow about 6 to 8 of these games in a season. Kevin Gregg is not elite--hell, he has to have his mittens pinned to his jacket in the winter--but he's actually performed about what you'd expect out of a guy who's not the Fruitbat, not KRod, not the claymation version of Burl Ives from "Rudolph the Rednose Reindeer" (C'mon, wor (http://www.edhumphries.com/wp-content/uploads/samsnowman.jpg)k with me here (http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/04ZhbVM7J57M7/610x.jpg)). He's certainly no worse than Kerry Wood. This game sucked, but I'm-a-going to refrain from calling for this tard's head just yet.
Huard you beautiful bastard.
Huey is an idiot. How dare he not call for the tard to be tard and feathered. The guy had the nerve to blow a save after being the Cubs best reliever this month (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/pitching?team=chc&cat=WHIP&season=2009&split=42&seasonType=2&type=std). And he's right around 80% in converting save opportunities, about what you'd expect from an average closer. What a gutless asshole.
Edited to note that morph already covered Tardface's acceptable averageness in the Gregg thread.
This. If this was the Hockee thread I would also point out that the Cubs are still +2 for the week when it comes to last at-bat decisions.
Quote from: Andy on June 24, 2009, 09:40:42 AM
I think the only reason Huey isn't calling for Gregg's head is the sheer size of it. Holy crap, you'd need a semi to haul that thing home.
Between he and Hoffpauer, there's enough cranium to cover North America.
Quote from: MAD on June 24, 2009, 11:17:07 AM
Quote from: Andy on June 24, 2009, 09:40:42 AM
I think the only reason Huey isn't calling for Gregg's head is the sheer size of it. Holy crap, you'd need a semi to haul that thing home.
Between he and Hoffpauer, there's enough cranium to cover North America.
Yeah, but they could still share Kevin Mench's hat.
Quote from: RV on June 24, 2009, 09:27:16 AM
Quote from: Slak on June 24, 2009, 09:06:56 AM
Quote from: MAD on June 24, 2009, 12:03:20 AM
Gregg's blown like 3 or 4 of these games. Most of your run-of-the-mill closers will blow about 6 to 8 of these games in a season. Kevin Gregg is not elite--hell, he has to have his mittens pinned to his jacket in the winter--but he's actually performed about what you'd expect out of a guy who's not the Fruitbat, not KRod, not the claymation version of Burl Ives from "Rudolph the Rednose Reindeer" (C'mon, wor (http://www.edhumphries.com/wp-content/uploads/samsnowman.jpg)k with me here (http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/04ZhbVM7J57M7/610x.jpg)). He's certainly no worse than Kerry Wood. This game sucked, but I'm-a-going to refrain from calling for this tard's head just yet.
Huard you beautiful bastard.
Huey is an idiot. How dare he not call for the tard to be tard and feathered. The guy had the nerve to blow a save after being the Cubs best reliever this month (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/pitching?team=chc&cat=WHIP&season=2009&split=42&seasonType=2&type=std). And he's right around 80% in converting save opportunities, about what you'd expect from an average closer. What a gutless asshole.
Edited to note that morph already covered Tardface's acceptable averageness in the Gregg thread.
I dunno. I have it on pretty (literally) high authority that last night someone who looks and sounds like Huard wanted to pitch to a batsman with two outs, first base open and runners at second and third. The runner at third was the game-winner but this dude needed an intervention in order to set up the force at any base. He ended up getting the grounder he needed too. Too bad the fucker had eyes.
HUARD!!!
It'd be nice if The Closer of the Future would stop walking a guy or two every goddamn time he pitches.
Nice work from Gregg today.
Quote from: Waco Kid on June 26, 2009, 05:41:03 PM
Nice work from Gregg today.
Well
that's not very angsty.
It's not often that I first-guess Lou, but he should've left Marshall in to walk Nix and face the Eurotrash futball player. As soon as he brought the Ass Can in, I knew it was over.
In fact, I'd rather have Patton, Vizcaino, Samardakljdsa, LaTroy, Mercker, and perhaps Aaron Miles pitching in that spot before the Ass Can.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on June 27, 2009, 07:38:48 PM
It's not often that I first-guess Lou, but he should've left Marshall in to walk Nix and face the Eurotrash futball player. As soon as he brought the Ass Can in, I knew it was over.
In fact, I'd rather have Patton, Vizcaino, Samardakljdsa, LaTroy, Mercker, and perhaps Aaron Miles pitching in that spot before the Ass Can.
Lou never should have had to make that decision, because there's absolutely no reason Scott Podsednik should be able to do what he did today.
Quote from: Weebs on June 27, 2009, 07:42:00 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on June 27, 2009, 07:38:48 PM
It's not often that I first-guess Lou, but he should've left Marshall in to walk Nix and face the Eurotrash futball player. As soon as he brought the Ass Can in, I knew it was over.
In fact, I'd rather have Patton, Vizcaino, Samardakljdsa, LaTroy, Mercker, and perhaps Aaron Miles pitching in that spot before the Ass Can.
Lou never should have had to make that decision, because there's absolutely no reason Scott Podsednik should be able to do what he did today.
This.
I'd rather have Gas Can in before most of the bullpen, although I agree Marshall should have stayed in.
Quote from: Weebs on June 27, 2009, 07:42:00 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on June 27, 2009, 07:38:48 PM
It's not often that I first-guess Lou, but he should've left Marshall in to walk Nix and face the Eurotrash futball player. As soon as he brought the Ass Can in, I knew it was over.
In fact, I'd rather have Patton, Vizcaino, Samardakljdsa, LaTroy, Mercker, and perhaps Aaron Miles pitching in that spot before the Ass Can.
Lou never should have had to make that decision, because there's absolutely no reason Scott Podsednik should be able to do what he did today.
Yeah--that, and Marmol finally pitches a good inning and gets victimized with two bullshit seeing-eye singles on good pitches.
I don't even have any sort of rabid disdain for the Ass Can like I do for LaTroy...it's just that I think he really sucks.
Quote from: Brownie on June 27, 2009, 08:02:13 PM
Quote from: Weebs on June 27, 2009, 07:42:00 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on June 27, 2009, 07:38:48 PM
It's not often that I first-guess Lou, but he should've left Marshall in to walk Nix and face the Eurotrash futball player. As soon as he brought the Ass Can in, I knew it was over.
In fact, I'd rather have Patton, Vizcaino, Samardakljdsa, LaTroy, Mercker, and perhaps Aaron Miles pitching in that spot before the Ass Can.
Lou never should have had to make that decision, because there's absolutely no reason Scott Podsednik should be able to do what he did today.
This.
I'd rather have Gas Can in before most of the bullpen, although I agree Marshall should have stayed in.
I thought you liked Marshall. He had seen action in 7 of the past 8 games. You think he's made of rubber? Jeeziss.
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 28, 2009, 09:00:25 AM
Quote from: Brownie on June 27, 2009, 08:02:13 PM
Quote from: Weebs on June 27, 2009, 07:42:00 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on June 27, 2009, 07:38:48 PM
It's not often that I first-guess Lou, but he should've left Marshall in to walk Nix and face the Eurotrash futball player. As soon as he brought the Ass Can in, I knew it was over.
In fact, I'd rather have Patton, Vizcaino, Samardakljdsa, LaTroy, Mercker, and perhaps Aaron Miles pitching in that spot before the Ass Can.
Lou never should have had to make that decision, because there's absolutely no reason Scott Podsednik should be able to do what he did today.
This.
I'd rather have Gas Can in before most of the bullpen, although I agree Marshall should have stayed in.
I thought you liked Marshall. He had seen action in 7 of the past 8 games. You think he's made of rubber? Jeeziss.
And in truly awesome Seanbearpig fashion, he'd only thrown about 12 pitches in those 7 appearances.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on June 29, 2009, 11:05:49 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 28, 2009, 09:00:25 AM
Quote from: Brownie on June 27, 2009, 08:02:13 PM
Quote from: Weebs on June 27, 2009, 07:42:00 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on June 27, 2009, 07:38:48 PM
It's not often that I first-guess Lou, but he should've left Marshall in to walk Nix and face the Eurotrash futball player. As soon as he brought the Ass Can in, I knew it was over.
In fact, I'd rather have Patton, Vizcaino, Samardakljdsa, LaTroy, Mercker, and perhaps Aaron Miles pitching in that spot before the Ass Can.
Lou never should have had to make that decision, because there's absolutely no reason Scott Podsednik should be able to do what he did today.
This.
I'd rather have Gas Can in before most of the bullpen, although I agree Marshall should have stayed in.
I thought you liked Marshall. He had seen action in 7 of the past 8 games. You think he's made of rubber? Jeeziss.
And in truly awesome Seanbearpig fashion, he'd only thrown about 12 pitches in those 7 appearances.
Only 12? That's amazing.
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 29, 2009, 06:52:21 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on June 29, 2009, 11:05:49 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 28, 2009, 09:00:25 AM
Quote from: Brownie on June 27, 2009, 08:02:13 PM
Quote from: Weebs on June 27, 2009, 07:42:00 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on June 27, 2009, 07:38:48 PM
It's not often that I first-guess Lou, but he should've left Marshall in to walk Nix and face the Eurotrash futball player. As soon as he brought the Ass Can in, I knew it was over.
In fact, I'd rather have Patton, Vizcaino, Samardakljdsa, LaTroy, Mercker, and perhaps Aaron Miles pitching in that spot before the Ass Can.
Lou never should have had to make that decision, because there's absolutely no reason Scott Podsednik should be able to do what he did today.
This.
I'd rather have Gas Can in before most of the bullpen, although I agree Marshall should have stayed in.
I thought you liked Marshall. He had seen action in 7 of the past 8 games. You think he's made of rubber? Jeeziss.
And in truly awesome Seanbearpig fashion, he'd only thrown about 12 pitches in those 7 appearances.
Only 12? That's amazing.
Well, he is amazing.
Speaking of amazing, how about Marmol throwing 7/8 pitches for strikes to retire the side, and then Gregg going 1-2-3.
I had no clue what I was actually watching. It was like our endgame relievers were...pitching well.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on June 30, 2009, 02:35:19 AM
Speaking of amazing, how about Marmol throwing 7/8 pitches for strikes to retire the side, and then Gregg going 1-2-3.
I had no clue what I was actually watching. It was like our endgame relievers were...pitching well. against the Pirates.
Quote from: Fork on June 30, 2009, 08:08:16 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on June 30, 2009, 02:35:19 AM
Speaking of amazing, how about Marmol throwing 7/8 pitches for strikes to retire the side, and then Gregg going 1-2-3.
I had no clue what I was actually watching. It was like our endgame relievers were...pitching well. against the Pirates.[/s] a team only six games out of first place!
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on June 30, 2009, 02:35:19 AM
Speaking of amazing, how about Marmol throwing 7/8 pitches for strikes to retire the side, and then Gregg going 1-2-3.
I had no clue what I was actually watching. It was like our endgame relievers were...pitching well.
I believe I heard on the post game that Marmol-Gregg going back-to-back 1-2-3 was the first time they had done that all year.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 30, 2009, 08:41:20 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on June 30, 2009, 02:35:19 AM
Speaking of amazing, how about Marmol throwing 7/8 pitches for strikes to retire the side, and then Gregg going 1-2-3.
I had no clue what I was actually watching. It was like our endgame relievers were...pitching well.
I believe I heard on the post game that Marmol-Gregg going back-to-back 1-2-3 was the first time they had done that all year.
The first of many!
Who am I kidding...
Quote from: Slak on June 30, 2009, 08:49:50 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 30, 2009, 08:41:20 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on June 30, 2009, 02:35:19 AM
Speaking of amazing, how about Marmol throwing 7/8 pitches for strikes to retire the side, and then Gregg going 1-2-3.
I had no clue what I was actually watching. It was like our endgame relievers were...pitching well.
I believe I heard on the post game that Marmol-Gregg going back-to-back 1-2-3 was the first time they had done that all year.
The first of many!
Who am I kidding...
You ain't kidding no one, fool.
First of many? Damn straight. Hop on that Marmregg bandwagon now while there's room.
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 29, 2009, 06:52:21 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on June 29, 2009, 11:05:49 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 28, 2009, 09:00:25 AM
Quote from: Brownie on June 27, 2009, 08:02:13 PM
Quote from: Weebs on June 27, 2009, 07:42:00 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on June 27, 2009, 07:38:48 PM
It's not often that I first-guess Lou, but he should've left Marshall in to walk Nix and face the Eurotrash futball player. As soon as he brought the Ass Can in, I knew it was over.
In fact, I'd rather have Patton, Vizcaino, Samardakljdsa, LaTroy, Mercker, and perhaps Aaron Miles pitching in that spot before the Ass Can.
Lou never should have had to make that decision, because there's absolutely no reason Scott Podsednik should be able to do what he did today.
This.
I'd rather have Gas Can in before most of the bullpen, although I agree Marshall should have stayed in.
I thought you liked Marshall. He had seen action in 7 of the past 8 games. You think he's made of rubber? Jeeziss.
And in truly awesome Seanbearpig fashion, he'd only thrown about 12 pitches in those 7 appearances.
Only 12? That's amazing.
Oh, Apex. You're such a stickler. I did the research, and learned he's thrown 43 pitches in his last 7 appearances, allowing 3 hits and 1 ER in 3 2/3 innings.
Quote from: Fork on June 30, 2009, 08:08:16 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on June 30, 2009, 02:35:19 AM
Speaking of amazing, how about Marmol throwing 7/8 pitches for strikes to retire the side, and then Gregg going 1-2-3.
I had no clue what I was actually watching. It was like our endgame relievers were...pitching well. against the Pirates.
Pittsburgh
Pirates baseball SUCKS.
DPD - Heilman gets squeezed on one call and shows the intestinal fortitude of mashed potatoes doused in shit gravy.
Guh.
THOSE GODDAMN UMPIRES ARE RUINING EVERYTHING
Since his suckiness has to do with part of the bullpen angst...
Harden as a Cub '08 - 5-1, 71 IP, 39 H, 30 BB, 1.78 ERA, 0.97 WHIP, 89 K, 6 HR allowed
Harden as a Cub '09 - 5-6, 74 IP, 78 H, 36 BB, 5.47 ERA, 1.54 WHIP, 83 K, 16 HR allowed
He's made it through 7+ innings exactly twice this year.
Way to earn those big FA dollars this winter, you dope.
Holy shit he's allowed sixteen home runs already?
Homerun Harden.
Quote from: HumbleJerry on July 11, 2009, 10:05:27 AM
Since his suckiness has to do with part of the bullpen angst...
Harden as a Cub '08 - 5-1, 71 IP, 39 H, 30 BB, 1.78 ERA, 0.97 WHIP, 89 K, 6 HR allowed, BABiP .213
Harden as a Cub '09 - 5-6, 74 IP, 78 H, 36 BB, 5.47 ERA, 1.54 WHIP, 83 K, 16 HR allowed, BABiP .326
He's made it through 7+ innings exactly twice this year.
Way to earn those big FA dollars this winter, you dope.
The HRs are one thing. That rate obviously sucks for someone who walks as many as Harden does. But that hits allowed rate is through the roof. You can't even really blame an injury since he's been hurt so much in the past and this has never happened.
Quote from: Oleg on July 11, 2009, 10:54:38 AM
Quote from: HumbleJerry on July 11, 2009, 10:05:27 AM
Since his suckiness has to do with part of the bullpen angst...
Harden as a Cub '08 - 5-1, 71 IP, 39 H, 30 BB, 1.78 ERA, 0.97 WHIP, 89 K, 6 HR allowed, BABiP .213
Harden as a Cub '09 - 5-6, 74 IP, 78 H, 36 BB, 5.47 ERA, 1.54 WHIP, 83 K, 16 HR allowed, BABiP .326
He's made it through 7+ innings exactly twice this year.
Way to earn those big FA dollars this winter, you dope.
The HRs are one thing. That rate obviously sucks for someone who walks as many as Harden does. But that hits allowed rate is through the roof. You can't even really blame an injury since he's been hurt so much in the past and this has never happened.
Can we blame his health?
Quote from: Tank on July 11, 2009, 11:29:00 AM
Quote from: Oleg on July 11, 2009, 10:54:38 AM
Quote from: HumbleJerry on July 11, 2009, 10:05:27 AM
Since his suckiness has to do with part of the bullpen angst...
Harden as a Cub '08 - 5-1, 71 IP, 39 H, 30 BB, 1.78 ERA, 0.97 WHIP, 89 K, 6 HR allowed, BABiP .213
Harden as a Cub '09 - 5-6, 74 IP, 78 H, 36 BB, 5.47 ERA, 1.54 WHIP, 83 K, 16 HR allowed, BABiP .326
He's made it through 7+ innings exactly twice this year.
Way to earn those big FA dollars this winter, you dope.
The HRs are one thing. That rate obviously sucks for someone who walks as many as Harden does. But that hits allowed rate is through the roof. You can't even really blame an injury since he's been hurt so much in the past and this has never happened.
Can we blame his health?
Fucking Canadians. How's that universal healthcare working out for them now.
Good news, I've resolved my bullpen angst.
Andy, please lock this thread.
This is the most bizarre inning of professional baseball I've ever seen in my life.
Quote from: Weebs on July 12, 2009, 09:31:19 PM
This is the most bizarre inning of professional baseball I've ever seen in my life.
Yeah, been awhile since I've seen that kind of switch.
EDIT: And Marvin Hudson is apparently in a hurry to start the all-star break. Fucking douchebag piece of shit.
Quote from: Weebs on July 12, 2009, 09:31:19 PM
This is the most bizarre inning of professional baseball I've ever seen in my life.
You figure if there's any such thing as baseball momentum...that getting out of that goofy ass situation allowing no runs would yield something in the bottom of the 9th inning.
...like three of the shittiest at-bats of the entire season.
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on July 12, 2009, 09:59:38 PM
Quote from: Weebs on July 12, 2009, 09:31:19 PM
This is the most bizarre inning of professional baseball I've ever seen in my life.
You figure if there's any such thing as baseball momentum...that getting out of that goofy ass situation allowing no runs would yield something in the bottom of the 9th inning.
...like three of the shittiest at-bats of the entire season.
Ryan Franklin knows how to get the most out of his HGH.
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on July 12, 2009, 09:42:47 PM
Quote from: Weebs on July 12, 2009, 09:31:19 PM
This is the most bizarre inning of professional baseball I've ever seen in my life.
Yeah, been awhile since I've seen that kind of switch.
EDIT: And Marvin Hudson is apparently in a hurry to start the all-star break. Fucking douchebag piece of shit.
That's exactly what I told my Dad when I watched the first two at-bats of the last inning...
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on July 12, 2009, 09:59:38 PM
Quote from: Weebs on July 12, 2009, 09:31:19 PM
This is the most bizarre inning of professional baseball I've ever seen in my life.
You figure if there's any such thing as baseball momentum...that getting out of that goofy ass situation allowing no runs would yield something in the bottom of the 9th inning.
...like three of the shittiest at-bats of the entire season.
Why? Because 2 of the 3 batters were rung up on pitches out of the zone? Reed trapped the ball, so it's hard to complain about the umping, but the strike zone in the bottom of the 9th was completely different from what it was the rest of the game.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on July 13, 2009, 12:04:58 AM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on July 12, 2009, 09:59:38 PM
Quote from: Weebs on July 12, 2009, 09:31:19 PM
This is the most bizarre inning of professional baseball I've ever seen in my life.
You figure if there's any such thing as baseball momentum...that getting out of that goofy ass situation allowing no runs would yield something in the bottom of the 9th inning.
...like three of the shittiest at-bats of the entire season.
Why? Because 2 of the 3 batters were rung up on pitches out of the zone? Reed trapped the ball, so it's hard to complain about the umping, but the strike zone in the bottom of the 9th was completely different from what it was the rest of the game.
Really? I seem to remember Wells getting those calls all night too. Maybe I'm wrong. Can a STATFAG back me up? Or prove me wrong? Either way is fine for me
Quote from: IrishYeti on July 13, 2009, 12:07:42 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on July 13, 2009, 12:04:58 AM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on July 12, 2009, 09:59:38 PM
Quote from: Weebs on July 12, 2009, 09:31:19 PM
This is the most bizarre inning of professional baseball I've ever seen in my life.
You figure if there's any such thing as baseball momentum...that getting out of that goofy ass situation allowing no runs would yield something in the bottom of the 9th inning.
...like three of the shittiest at-bats of the entire season.
Why? Because 2 of the 3 batters were rung up on pitches out of the zone? Reed trapped the ball, so it's hard to complain about the umping, but the strike zone in the bottom of the 9th was completely different from what it was the rest of the game.
Really? I seem to remember Wells getting those calls all night too. Maybe I'm wrong. Can a STATFAG back me up? Or prove me wrong? Either way is fine for me
If anything, I thought Wells was getting squeezed early.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on July 13, 2009, 12:25:23 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on July 13, 2009, 12:07:42 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on July 13, 2009, 12:04:58 AM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on July 12, 2009, 09:59:38 PM
Quote from: Weebs on July 12, 2009, 09:31:19 PM
This is the most bizarre inning of professional baseball I've ever seen in my life.
You figure if there's any such thing as baseball momentum...that getting out of that goofy ass situation allowing no runs would yield something in the bottom of the 9th inning.
...like three of the shittiest at-bats of the entire season.
Why? Because 2 of the 3 batters were rung up on pitches out of the zone? Reed trapped the ball, so it's hard to complain about the umping, but the strike zone in the bottom of the 9th was completely different from what it was the rest of the game.
Really? I seem to remember Wells getting those calls all night too. Maybe I'm wrong. Can a STATFAG back me up? Or prove me wrong? Either way is fine for me
If anything, I thought Wells was getting squeezed early.
I think that the Rasmus walk in the first was on a pitch just as good or better than the ones called strike 3 in the 9th, and even Heilman got squeezed on a pitch just as close before getting his swinging K in the 8th....FWIW.
Quote from: IrishYeti on July 13, 2009, 12:07:42 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on July 13, 2009, 12:04:58 AM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on July 12, 2009, 09:59:38 PM
Quote from: Weebs on July 12, 2009, 09:31:19 PM
This is the most bizarre inning of professional baseball I've ever seen in my life.
You figure if there's any such thing as baseball momentum...that getting out of that goofy ass situation allowing no runs would yield something in the bottom of the 9th inning.
...like three of the shittiest at-bats of the entire season.
Why? Because 2 of the 3 batters were rung up on pitches out of the zone? Reed trapped the ball, so it's hard to complain about the umping, but the strike zone in the bottom of the 9th was completely different from what it was the rest of the game.
Really? I seem to remember Wells getting those calls all night too. Maybe I'm wrong. Can a STATFAG back me up? Or prove me wrong? Either way is fine for me
Here's Wells' strikezone as plotted by Pitch F/X data:
(http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfx/location.php?xml=http://gd2.mlb.com/components/game/mlb/year_2009/month_07/day_12/gid_2009_07_12_slnmlb_chnmlb_2//pbp/pitchers/448694.xml&batterX=0&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=1)
Here's Franklin's:
(http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfx/location.php?xml=http://gd2.mlb.com/components/game/mlb/year_2009/month_07/day_12/gid_2009_07_12_slnmlb_chnmlb_2//pbp/pitchers/211041.xml&batterX=0&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=1)
Quote from: Kermit, B. on July 13, 2009, 12:04:58 AM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on July 12, 2009, 09:59:38 PM
Quote from: Weebs on July 12, 2009, 09:31:19 PM
This is the most bizarre inning of professional baseball I've ever seen in my life.
You figure if there's any such thing as baseball momentum...that getting out of that goofy ass situation allowing no runs would yield something in the bottom of the 9th inning.
...like three of the shittiest at-bats of the entire season.
Why? Because 2 of the 3 batters were rung up on pitches out of the zone? Reed trapped the ball, so it's hard to complain about the umping, but the strike zone in the bottom of the 9th was completely different from what it was the rest of the game.
Reed didn't trap it, no matter what you and Joe Morgan think.
Quote from: Andy on July 13, 2009, 08:29:41 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on July 13, 2009, 12:04:58 AM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on July 12, 2009, 09:59:38 PM
Quote from: Weebs on July 12, 2009, 09:31:19 PM
This is the most bizarre inning of professional baseball I've ever seen in my life.
You figure if there's any such thing as baseball momentum...that getting out of that goofy ass situation allowing no runs would yield something in the bottom of the 9th inning.
...like three of the shittiest at-bats of the entire season.
Why? Because 2 of the 3 batters were rung up on pitches out of the zone? Reed trapped the ball, so it's hard to complain about the umping, but the strike zone in the bottom of the 9th was completely different from what it was the rest of the game.
Reed didn't trap it, no matter what you and Joe Morgan think.
Morgan's a no-talent douchebag but that was a trap.
Quote from: Andy on July 13, 2009, 08:29:41 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on July 13, 2009, 12:04:58 AM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on July 12, 2009, 09:59:38 PM
Quote from: Weebs on July 12, 2009, 09:31:19 PM
This is the most bizarre inning of professional baseball I've ever seen in my life.
You figure if there's any such thing as baseball momentum...that getting out of that goofy ass situation allowing no runs would yield something in the bottom of the 9th inning.
...like three of the shittiest at-bats of the entire season.
Why? Because 2 of the 3 batters were rung up on pitches out of the zone? Reed trapped the ball, so it's hard to complain about the umping, but the strike zone in the bottom of the 9th was completely different from what it was the rest of the game.
Reed didn't trap it, no matter what you and Joe Morgan think.
(http://sydlexia.com/blogstuff/ackbar_its_a_trap.jpg)
Quote from: ChuckD on July 13, 2009, 08:27:09 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on July 13, 2009, 12:07:42 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on July 13, 2009, 12:04:58 AM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on July 12, 2009, 09:59:38 PM
Quote from: Weebs on July 12, 2009, 09:31:19 PM
This is the most bizarre inning of professional baseball I've ever seen in my life.
You figure if there's any such thing as baseball momentum...that getting out of that goofy ass situation allowing no runs would yield something in the bottom of the 9th inning.
...like three of the shittiest at-bats of the entire season.
Why? Because 2 of the 3 batters were rung up on pitches out of the zone? Reed trapped the ball, so it's hard to complain about the umping, but the strike zone in the bottom of the 9th was completely different from what it was the rest of the game.
Really? I seem to remember Wells getting those calls all night too. Maybe I'm wrong. Can a STATFAG back me up? Or prove me wrong? Either way is fine for me
Here's Wells' strikezone as plotted by Pitch F/X data:
(http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfx/location.php?xml=http://gd2.mlb.com/components/game/mlb/year_2009/month_07/day_12/gid_2009_07_12_slnmlb_chnmlb_2//pbp/pitchers/448694.xml&batterX=0&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=1)
Here's Franklin's:
(http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfx/location.php?xml=http://gd2.mlb.com/components/game/mlb/year_2009/month_07/day_12/gid_2009_07_12_slnmlb_chnmlb_2//pbp/pitchers/211041.xml&batterX=0&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=1)
So Wells got 12 calls outside the zone in 7IP, while Franklin got 5 in 1IP.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 13, 2009, 03:05:19 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 13, 2009, 08:27:09 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on July 13, 2009, 12:07:42 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on July 13, 2009, 12:04:58 AM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on July 12, 2009, 09:59:38 PM
Quote from: Weebs on July 12, 2009, 09:31:19 PM
This is the most bizarre inning of professional baseball I've ever seen in my life.
You figure if there's any such thing as baseball momentum...that getting out of that goofy ass situation allowing no runs would yield something in the bottom of the 9th inning.
...like three of the shittiest at-bats of the entire season.
Why? Because 2 of the 3 batters were rung up on pitches out of the zone? Reed trapped the ball, so it's hard to complain about the umping, but the strike zone in the bottom of the 9th was completely different from what it was the rest of the game.
Really? I seem to remember Wells getting those calls all night too. Maybe I'm wrong. Can a STATFAG back me up? Or prove me wrong? Either way is fine for me
Here's Wells' strikezone as plotted by Pitch F/X data:
(http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfx/location.php?xml=http://gd2.mlb.com/components/game/mlb/year_2009/month_07/day_12/gid_2009_07_12_slnmlb_chnmlb_2//pbp/pitchers/448694.xml&batterX=0&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=1)
Here's Franklin's:
(http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfx/location.php?xml=http://gd2.mlb.com/components/game/mlb/year_2009/month_07/day_12/gid_2009_07_12_slnmlb_chnmlb_2//pbp/pitchers/211041.xml&batterX=0&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=1)
So Wells got 12 calls outside the zone in 7IP, while Franklin got 5 in 1IP.
God damn, you talk about
Pittsburgh the umpires a lot.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 13, 2009, 03:05:19 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 13, 2009, 08:27:09 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on July 13, 2009, 12:07:42 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on July 13, 2009, 12:04:58 AM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on July 12, 2009, 09:59:38 PM
Quote from: Weebs on July 12, 2009, 09:31:19 PM
This is the most bizarre inning of professional baseball I've ever seen in my life.
You figure if there's any such thing as baseball momentum...that getting out of that goofy ass situation allowing no runs would yield something in the bottom of the 9th inning.
...like three of the shittiest at-bats of the entire season.
Why? Because 2 of the 3 batters were rung up on pitches out of the zone? Reed trapped the ball, so it's hard to complain about the umping, but the strike zone in the bottom of the 9th was completely different from what it was the rest of the game.
Really? I seem to remember Wells getting those calls all night too. Maybe I'm wrong. Can a STATFAG back me up? Or prove me wrong? Either way is fine for me
Here's Wells' strikezone as plotted by Pitch F/X data:
(http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfx/location.php?xml=http://gd2.mlb.com/components/game/mlb/year_2009/month_07/day_12/gid_2009_07_12_slnmlb_chnmlb_2//pbp/pitchers/448694.xml&batterX=0&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=1)
Here's Franklin's:
(http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfx/location.php?xml=http://gd2.mlb.com/components/game/mlb/year_2009/month_07/day_12/gid_2009_07_12_slnmlb_chnmlb_2//pbp/pitchers/211041.xml&batterX=0&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=1)
So Wells got 12 calls outside the zone in 7IP, while Franklin got 5 in 1IP.
You're just going to continue whining about the umpires no matter what I type, so instead of wasting my own time, I'll direct you to look at this link: http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/strike-zone-fact-vs-fiction
Edit: Also, I agree with what Eli said.
Fake Edit: You're insufferable.
If CFiHP rails against arbiters in the courtroom as habitually as he rails against arbiters on the playing fields, he'll have a shorter career than Moonlight Greenberg.
Quote from: MAD on July 13, 2009, 03:15:04 PM
If CFiHP rails against arbiters in the courtroom as habitually as he rails against arbiters on the playing fields and rinks, he'll have a shorter career than Moonlight Greenberg.
Pens fan'd.
Quote from: MAD on July 13, 2009, 03:15:04 PM
If CFiHP rails against arbiters in the courtroom as habitually as he rails against arbiters on the playing fields, he'll have a shorter career than Moonlight Greenberg.
Eh, can't be fined for contempt here. And I was just trying to make a tongue in cheek "statfag" type observation.
Since I haven't chimed in about last night's umpiring yet...
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That home plate umpire sucked ass.
Quote from: BC on July 13, 2009, 07:23:17 PM
Since I haven't chimed in about last night's umpiring yet...
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That home plate umpire sucked ass.
I thought you had chimed in (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=6733.msg184346#msg184346).
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Wait, you and CFiHP aren't the same person?
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2009, 08:34:55 PM
Quote from: BC on July 13, 2009, 07:23:17 PM
Since I haven't chimed in about last night's umpiring yet...
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That home plate umpire sucked ass.
I thought you had chimed in (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=6733.msg184346#msg184346).
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Wait, you and CFiHP aren't the same person?
I can't be the only that's noticed BC's become a lot more
sufferable, right?
Quote from: Slak on July 13, 2009, 08:42:14 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2009, 08:34:55 PM
Quote from: BC on July 13, 2009, 07:23:17 PM
Since I haven't chimed in about last night's umpiring yet...
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That home plate umpire sucked ass.
I thought you had chimed in (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=6733.msg184346#msg184346).
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Wait, you and CFiHP aren't the same person?
I can't be the only that's noticed BC's become a lot more sufferable, right?
Anyone who cares about being a real statfag will be able to compile some statistics on his posts to really have a basis for comparison.
Quote from: Slak on July 13, 2009, 08:42:14 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2009, 08:34:55 PM
Quote from: BC on July 13, 2009, 07:23:17 PM
Since I haven't chimed in about last night's umpiring yet...
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That home plate umpire sucked ass.
I thought you had chimed in (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=6733.msg184346#msg184346).
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Wait, you and CFiHP aren't the same person?
I can't be the only that's noticed BC's become a lot more sufferable, right?
Don't worry, the Bears and Illini football will be starting soon enough. I usually can keep myself in check with just one team to worry about, but when it gets to 3 in September (And, maybe, October) I can't contain myself.
Quote from: powen01 on July 13, 2009, 08:56:06 PM
Quote from: Slak on July 13, 2009, 08:42:14 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2009, 08:34:55 PM
Quote from: BC on July 13, 2009, 07:23:17 PM
Since I haven't chimed in about last night's umpiring yet...
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.....
That home plate umpire sucked ass.
I thought you had chimed in (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=6733.msg184346#msg184346).
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Wait, you and CFiHP aren't the same person?
I can't be the only that's noticed BC's become a lot more sufferable, right?
Anyone who cares about being a real statfag will be able to compile some statistics on his posts to really have a basis for comparison.
Interesting. Here's a chart which tracks the number of posts by BC per Slak post for each month over the last year.
(http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/1165/picture3f.png)
Hypothesis: Slak finds BC more "sufferable" when there is less interaction between the two.Interpreting the chart, months with a low BC/Slak ratio represent spans where Slak was posting quite a bit while BC maintained a lower profile on the messageboard. These months should coincide with less interaction between the two and a heightened perception of "BC sufferability" by Slak (or
vice versa. Shockingly, July, 2009 is witness to a huge spike in the BC/Slak ratio.
Two possible interpretations:
a) The hypothesis is not refuted, yet needs slight modification. This could be the case if Slak's opinion of BC is time-lagged and his perception of BC's increased sufferability is actually a delayed reaction to the BC/Slak ratio experienced over the preceding months. Of note: BC made only one post in April and 8 posts in both May and June, while not even halfway through July, his post count for the ongoing month stands at 16. If this is true, then Slak should find BC to be abnormally insufferable during the upcoming month.
b) The hypothesis is refuted (aka "familiarity breeds non-contempt"). This could be the case if BC's increase in posting has lead Slak to perceive a greater amount of commonality. However, for this hypothesis to hold true, more data regarding the nature of Slak's perceptions of BC's sufferability during the preceding months would need to be collected.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 14, 2009, 12:14:16 AM
Quote from: powen01 on July 13, 2009, 08:56:06 PM
Quote from: Slak on July 13, 2009, 08:42:14 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2009, 08:34:55 PM
Quote from: BC on July 13, 2009, 07:23:17 PM
Since I haven't chimed in about last night's umpiring yet...
.....
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.....
That home plate umpire sucked ass.
I thought you had chimed in (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=6733.msg184346#msg184346).
.....
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Wait, you and CFiHP aren't the same person?
I can't be the only that's noticed BC's become a lot more sufferable, right?
Anyone who cares about being a real statfag will be able to compile some statistics on his posts to really have a basis for comparison.
Interesting. Here's a chart which tracks the number of posts by BC per Slak post for each month over the last year.
(http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/1165/picture3f.png)
Hypothesis: Slak finds BC more "sufferable" when there is less interaction between the two.
Interpreting the chart, months with a low BC/Slak ratio represent spans where Slak was posting quite a bit while BC maintained a lower profile on the messageboard. These months should coincide with less interaction between the two and a heightened perception of "BC sufferability" by Slak (or vice versa. Shockingly, July, 2009 is witness to a huge spike in the BC/Slak ratio.
Two possible interpretations:
a) The hypothesis is not refuted, yet needs slight modification. This could be the case if Slak's opinion of BC is time-lagged and his perception of BC's increased sufferability is actually a delayed reaction to the BC/Slak ratio experienced over the preceding months. Of note: BC made only one post in April and 8 posts in both May and June, while not even halfway through July, his post count for the ongoing month stands at 16. If this is true, then Slak should find BC to be abnormally insufferable during the upcoming month.
b) The hypothesis is refuted (aka "familiarity breeds non-contempt"). This could be the case if BC's increase in posting has lead Slak to perceive a greater amount of commonality. However, for this hypothesis to hold true, more data regarding the nature of Slak's perceptions of BC's sufferability during the preceding months would need to be collected.
Awesome.
Looking forward to the peer review.
BC = Before Christ
Slak = Jesus
Quote from: ChuckD on July 14, 2009, 12:14:16 AM
Quote from: powen01 on July 13, 2009, 08:56:06 PM
Quote from: Slak on July 13, 2009, 08:42:14 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2009, 08:34:55 PM
Quote from: BC on July 13, 2009, 07:23:17 PM
Since I haven't chimed in about last night's umpiring yet...
.....
.....
.....
That home plate umpire sucked ass.
I thought you had chimed in (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=6733.msg184346#msg184346).
.....
.....
.....
Wait, you and CFiHP aren't the same person?
I can't be the only that's noticed BC's become a lot more sufferable, right?
Anyone who cares about being a real statfag will be able to compile some statistics on his posts to really have a basis for comparison.
Interesting. Here's a chart which tracks the number of posts by BC per Slak post for each month over the last year.
(http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/1165/picture3f.png)
Hypothesis: Slak finds BC more "sufferable" when there is less interaction between the two.
Interpreting the chart, months with a low BC/Slak ratio represent spans where Slak was posting quite a bit while BC maintained a lower profile on the messageboard. These months should coincide with less interaction between the two and a heightened perception of "BC sufferability" by Slak (or vice versa. Shockingly, July, 2009 is witness to a huge spike in the BC/Slak ratio.
Two possible interpretations:
a) The hypothesis is not refuted, yet needs slight modification. This could be the case if Slak's opinion of BC is time-lagged and his perception of BC's increased sufferability is actually a delayed reaction to the BC/Slak ratio experienced over the preceding months. Of note: BC made only one post in April and 8 posts in both May and June, while not even halfway through July, his post count for the ongoing month stands at 16. If this is true, then Slak should find BC to be abnormally insufferable during the upcoming month.
b) The hypothesis is refuted (aka "familiarity breeds non-contempt"). This could be the case if BC's increase in posting has lead Slak to perceive a greater amount of commonality. However, for this hypothesis to hold true, more data regarding the nature of Slak's perceptions of BC's sufferability during the preceding months would need to be collected.
Ladies and gentleman I give you
marijuana.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 14, 2009, 12:14:16 AM
Quote from: powen01 on July 13, 2009, 08:56:06 PM
Quote from: Slak on July 13, 2009, 08:42:14 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2009, 08:34:55 PM
Quote from: BC on July 13, 2009, 07:23:17 PM
Since I haven't chimed in about last night's umpiring yet...
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That home plate umpire sucked ass.
I thought you had chimed in (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=6733.msg184346#msg184346).
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Wait, you and CFiHP aren't the same person?
I can't be the only that's noticed BC's become a lot more sufferable, right?
Anyone who cares about being a real statfag will be able to compile some statistics on his posts to really have a basis for comparison.
Interesting. Here's a chart which tracks the number of posts by BC per Slak post for each month over the last year.
(http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/1165/picture3f.png)
Hypothesis: Slak finds BC more "sufferable" when there is less interaction between the two.
Interpreting the chart, months with a low BC/Slak ratio represent spans where Slak was posting quite a bit while BC maintained a lower profile on the messageboard. These months should coincide with less interaction between the two and a heightened perception of "BC sufferability" by Slak (or vice versa. Shockingly, July, 2009 is witness to a huge spike in the BC/Slak ratio.
Two possible interpretations:
a) The hypothesis is not refuted, yet needs slight modification. This could be the case if Slak's opinion of BC is time-lagged and his perception of BC's increased sufferability is actually a delayed reaction to the BC/Slak ratio experienced over the preceding months. Of note: BC made only one post in April and 8 posts in both May and June, while not even halfway through July, his post count for the ongoing month stands at 16. If this is true, then Slak should find BC to be abnormally insufferable during the upcoming month.
b) The hypothesis is refuted (aka "familiarity breeds non-contempt"). This could be the case if BC's increase in posting has lead Slak to perceive a greater amount of commonality. However, for this hypothesis to hold true, more data regarding the nature of Slak's perceptions of BC's sufferability during the preceding months would need to be collected.
Might I propose a third interpretation?
The number of posts per month is not necessarily directly proportional to the amount of interaction between BC and Slak, nor does it give us any indication of the quality of such interactions. Therefore, the posts per month ratio by itself is a flawed statistic, and you need to invent a new one with a clever acronym.
Is the ratio equal to the ratio of unicorns to leprechauns?
The Cubs need to get this guy: Jay Marshall
https://custom.photoshelter.com/c/calvert/gallery-img-show/Jay-Marshalls-Beard/G0000Q8iVxW_KbmY/?&_bqG=0&_bqH=eJzz9yn2z0sPj4gPM3BxdwnLLwiMDCsyCs0sCS63MrYyMrWyco_3dLF1NwCCQIvMsIrweO.k3Ei1AJComrtnvLujj49rUCQ2RQAzhhwq&I_ID=I0000ufKRMdXljIo
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=marsha001jay
He's probably not that good but after watching him in the AAA All-Star game, I decided they needed him, if only for his awesome beard
Quote from: IrishYeti on July 15, 2009, 11:33:59 PM
The Cubs need to get this guy: Jay Marshall
https://custom.photoshelter.com/c/calvert/gallery-img-show/Jay-Marshalls-Beard/G0000Q8iVxW_KbmY/?&_bqG=0&_bqH=eJzz9yn2z0sPj4gPM3BxdwnLLwiMDCsyCs0sCS63MrYyMrWyco_3dLF1NwCCQIvMsIrweO.k3Ei1AJComrtnvLujj49rUCQ2RQAzhhwq&I_ID=I0000ufKRMdXljIo
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=marsha001jay
He's probably not that good but after watching him in the AAA All-Star game, I decided they needed him, if only for his awesome beard
Wrong. Let's leave the stupid facial hair tricks to those zany Tards, Spewers and Sux.
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 16, 2009, 07:42:18 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on July 15, 2009, 11:33:59 PM
The Cubs need to get this guy: Jay Marshall
https://custom.photoshelter.com/c/calvert/gallery-img-show/Jay-Marshalls-Beard/G0000Q8iVxW_KbmY/?&_bqG=0&_bqH=eJzz9yn2z0sPj4gPM3BxdwnLLwiMDCsyCs0sCS63MrYyMrWyco_3dLF1NwCCQIvMsIrweO.k3Ei1AJComrtnvLujj49rUCQ2RQAzhhwq&I_ID=I0000ufKRMdXljIo
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=marsha001jay
He's probably not that good but after watching him in the AAA All-Star game, I decided they needed him, if only for his awesome beard
Wrong. Let's leave the stupid facial hair tricks to those zany Tards, Spewers and Sux.
The difference is, they go with some retarded mustache crap. Corey Hart is the only one that grows a full beard, and that's just because he felt disconnected from the rest of his race. (http://kimskorner.zed1.net/albums/Answers/chewbacca.jpg) This Jay Marshall fella is just what this team needs. Or maybe I'm thinking about the Bears' offense...
Quote from: Weebs on July 16, 2009, 10:10:34 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 16, 2009, 07:42:18 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on July 15, 2009, 11:33:59 PM
The Cubs need to get this guy: Jay Marshall
https://custom.photoshelter.com/c/calvert/gallery-img-show/Jay-Marshalls-Beard/G0000Q8iVxW_KbmY/?&_bqG=0&_bqH=eJzz9yn2z0sPj4gPM3BxdwnLLwiMDCsyCs0sCS63MrYyMrWyco_3dLF1NwCCQIvMsIrweO.k3Ei1AJComrtnvLujj49rUCQ2RQAzhhwq&I_ID=I0000ufKRMdXljIo
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=marsha001jay
He's probably not that good but after watching him in the AAA All-Star game, I decided they needed him, if only for his awesome beard
Wrong. Let's leave the stupid facial hair tricks to those zany Tards, Spewers and Sux.
The difference is, they go with some retarded mustache crap. Corey Hart is the only one that grows a full beard, and that's just because he felt disconnected from the rest of his race.[/race] This Jay Marshall fella is just what this team needs. Or maybe I'm thinking about the Bears' offense...
(http://kimskorner.zed1.net/albums/Answers/chewbacca.jpg)
Out of your 1,500 some odd horrible posts, 1,497 of them in the nerd hut, this one is the worst.
Quote from: TDubbs on July 16, 2009, 10:15:05 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 16, 2009, 10:10:34 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 16, 2009, 07:42:18 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on July 15, 2009, 11:33:59 PM
The Cubs need to get this guy: Jay Marshall
https://custom.photoshelter.com/c/calvert/gallery-img-show/Jay-Marshalls-Beard/G0000Q8iVxW_KbmY/?&_bqG=0&_bqH=eJzz9yn2z0sPj4gPM3BxdwnLLwiMDCsyCs0sCS63MrYyMrWyco_3dLF1NwCCQIvMsIrweO.k3Ei1AJComrtnvLujj49rUCQ2RQAzhhwq&I_ID=I0000ufKRMdXljIo
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=marsha001jay
He's probably not that good but after watching him in the AAA All-Star game, I decided they needed him, if only for his awesome beard
Wrong. Let's leave the stupid facial hair tricks to those zany Tards, Spewers and Sux.
The difference is, they go with some retarded mustache crap. Corey Hart is the only one that grows a full beard, and that's just because he felt disconnected from the rest of his race.[/race] This Jay Marshall fella is just what this team needs. Or maybe I'm thinking about the Bears' offense...
(http://kimskorner.zed1.net/albums/Answers/chewbacca.jpg)
Out of your 1,500 some odd horrible posts, 1,497 of them in the nerd hut, this one is the worst.
At least I fixed the URL tag, so...FUCK YOU TDUBBS!
Quote from: Weebs on July 16, 2009, 10:19:28 AM
Quote from: TDubbs on July 16, 2009, 10:15:05 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 16, 2009, 10:10:34 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 16, 2009, 07:42:18 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on July 15, 2009, 11:33:59 PM
The Cubs need to get this guy: Jay Marshall
https://custom.photoshelter.com/c/calvert/gallery-img-show/Jay-Marshalls-Beard/G0000Q8iVxW_KbmY/?&_bqG=0&_bqH=eJzz9yn2z0sPj4gPM3BxdwnLLwiMDCsyCs0sCS63MrYyMrWyco_3dLF1NwCCQIvMsIrweO.k3Ei1AJComrtnvLujj49rUCQ2RQAzhhwq&I_ID=I0000ufKRMdXljIo
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=marsha001jay
He's probably not that good but after watching him in the AAA All-Star game, I decided they needed him, if only for his awesome beard
Wrong. Let's leave the stupid facial hair tricks to those zany Tards, Spewers and Sux.
The difference is, they go with some retarded mustache crap. Corey Hart is the only one that grows a full beard, and that's just because he felt disconnected from the rest of his race.[/race] This Jay Marshall fella is just what this team needs. Or maybe I'm thinking about the Bears' offense...
(http://kimskorner.zed1.net/albums/Answers/chewbacca.jpg)
Out of your 1,500 some odd horrible posts, 1,497 of them in the nerd hut, this one is the worst.
At least I fixed the URL tag, so...FUCK YOU TDUBBS!
I would love to come home just to watch the two of you fight and then represent you in the ensuing litigation.
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on July 16, 2009, 11:53:14 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 16, 2009, 10:19:28 AM
Quote from: TDubbs on July 16, 2009, 10:15:05 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 16, 2009, 10:10:34 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 16, 2009, 07:42:18 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on July 15, 2009, 11:33:59 PM
The Cubs need to get this guy: Jay Marshall
https://custom.photoshelter.com/c/calvert/gallery-img-show/Jay-Marshalls-Beard/G0000Q8iVxW_KbmY/?&_bqG=0&_bqH=eJzz9yn2z0sPj4gPM3BxdwnLLwiMDCsyCs0sCS63MrYyMrWyco_3dLF1NwCCQIvMsIrweO.k3Ei1AJComrtnvLujj49rUCQ2RQAzhhwq&I_ID=I0000ufKRMdXljIo
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=marsha001jay
He's probably not that good but after watching him in the AAA All-Star game, I decided they needed him, if only for his awesome beard
Wrong. Let's leave the stupid facial hair tricks to those zany Tards, Spewers and Sux.
The difference is, they go with some retarded mustache crap. Corey Hart is the only one that grows a full beard, and that's just because he felt disconnected from the rest of his race.[/race] This Jay Marshall fella is just what this team needs. Or maybe I'm thinking about the Bears' offense...
(http://kimskorner.zed1.net/albums/Answers/chewbacca.jpg)
Out of your 1,500 some odd horrible posts, 1,497 of them in the nerd hut, this one is the worst.
At least I fixed the URL tag, so...FUCK YOU TDUBBS!
I would love to come home just to watch the two of you fight and then represent you in the ensuing litigation.
Still the only lawyer in LA not in entertainment?
Quote from: Fork on July 17, 2009, 07:28:26 AM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on July 16, 2009, 11:53:14 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 16, 2009, 10:19:28 AM
Quote from: TDubbs on July 16, 2009, 10:15:05 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 16, 2009, 10:10:34 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 16, 2009, 07:42:18 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on July 15, 2009, 11:33:59 PM
The Cubs need to get this guy: Jay Marshall
https://custom.photoshelter.com/c/calvert/gallery-img-show/Jay-Marshalls-Beard/G0000Q8iVxW_KbmY/?&_bqG=0&_bqH=eJzz9yn2z0sPj4gPM3BxdwnLLwiMDCsyCs0sCS63MrYyMrWyco_3dLF1NwCCQIvMsIrweO.k3Ei1AJComrtnvLujj49rUCQ2RQAzhhwq&I_ID=I0000ufKRMdXljIo
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=marsha001jay
He's probably not that good but after watching him in the AAA All-Star game, I decided they needed him, if only for his awesome beard
Wrong. Let's leave the stupid facial hair tricks to those zany Tards, Spewers and Sux.
The difference is, they go with some retarded mustache crap. Corey Hart is the only one that grows a full beard, and that's just because he felt disconnected from the rest of his race.[/race] This Jay Marshall fella is just what this team needs. Or maybe I'm thinking about the Bears' offense...
(http://kimskorner.zed1.net/albums/Answers/chewbacca.jpg)
Out of your 1,500 some odd horrible posts, 1,497 of them in the nerd hut, this one is the worst.
At least I fixed the URL tag, so...FUCK YOU TDUBBS!
I would love to come home just to watch the two of you fight and then represent you in the ensuing litigation.
Still the only lawyer in LA not in entertainment?
Oh, I am sure there are like 10 of us, or so.
Quote from: Fork on July 17, 2009, 07:28:26 AM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on July 16, 2009, 11:53:14 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 16, 2009, 10:19:28 AM
Quote from: TDubbs on July 16, 2009, 10:15:05 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 16, 2009, 10:10:34 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 16, 2009, 07:42:18 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on July 15, 2009, 11:33:59 PM
The Cubs need to get this guy: Jay Marshall
https://custom.photoshelter.com/c/calvert/gallery-img-show/Jay-Marshalls-Beard/G0000Q8iVxW_KbmY/?&_bqG=0&_bqH=eJzz9yn2z0sPj4gPM3BxdwnLLwiMDCsyCs0sCS63MrYyMrWyco_3dLF1NwCCQIvMsIrweO.k3Ei1AJComrtnvLujj49rUCQ2RQAzhhwq&I_ID=I0000ufKRMdXljIo
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=marsha001jay
He's probably not that good but after watching him in the AAA All-Star game, I decided they needed him, if only for his awesome beard
Wrong. Let's leave the stupid facial hair tricks to those zany Tards, Spewers and Sux.
The difference is, they go with some retarded mustache crap. Corey Hart is the only one that grows a full beard, and that's just because he felt disconnected from the rest of his race.[/race] This Jay Marshall fella is just what this team needs. Or maybe I'm thinking about the Bears' offense...
(http://kimskorner.zed1.net/albums/Answers/chewbacca.jpg)
Out of your 1,500 some odd horrible posts, 1,497 of them in the nerd hut, this one is the worst.
At least I fixed the URL tag, so...FUCK YOU TDUBBS!
I would love to come home just to watch the two of you fight and then represent you in the ensuing litigation.
Still the only lawyer in LA not in entertainment?
Strip Club law falls out of the scope of entertainment?
Quote from: BH on July 17, 2009, 11:15:03 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 17, 2009, 07:28:26 AM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on July 16, 2009, 11:53:14 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 16, 2009, 10:19:28 AM
Quote from: TDubbs on July 16, 2009, 10:15:05 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 16, 2009, 10:10:34 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 16, 2009, 07:42:18 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on July 15, 2009, 11:33:59 PM
The Cubs need to get this guy: Jay Marshall
https://custom.photoshelter.com/c/calvert/gallery-img-show/Jay-Marshalls-Beard/G0000Q8iVxW_KbmY/?&_bqG=0&_bqH=eJzz9yn2z0sPj4gPM3BxdwnLLwiMDCsyCs0sCS63MrYyMrWyco_3dLF1NwCCQIvMsIrweO.k3Ei1AJComrtnvLujj49rUCQ2RQAzhhwq&I_ID=I0000ufKRMdXljIo
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=marsha001jay
He's probably not that good but after watching him in the AAA All-Star game, I decided they needed him, if only for his awesome beard
Wrong. Let's leave the stupid facial hair tricks to those zany Tards, Spewers and Sux.
The difference is, they go with some retarded mustache crap. Corey Hart is the only one that grows a full beard, and that's just because he felt disconnected from the rest of his race.[/race] This Jay Marshall fella is just what this team needs. Or maybe I'm thinking about the Bears' offense...
(http://kimskorner.zed1.net/albums/Answers/chewbacca.jpg)
Out of your 1,500 some odd horrible posts, 1,497 of them in the nerd hut, this one is the worst.
At least I fixed the URL tag, so...FUCK YOU TDUBBS!
I would love to come home just to watch the two of you fight and then represent you in the ensuing litigation.
Still the only lawyer in LA not in entertainment?
Strip Club law falls out of the scope of entertainment?
The first law of strip club...There are no laws in strip club.
Quote from: CBStew on July 17, 2009, 11:18:48 AM
Quote from: BH on July 17, 2009, 11:15:03 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 17, 2009, 07:28:26 AM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on July 16, 2009, 11:53:14 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 16, 2009, 10:19:28 AM
Quote from: TDubbs on July 16, 2009, 10:15:05 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 16, 2009, 10:10:34 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 16, 2009, 07:42:18 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on July 15, 2009, 11:33:59 PM
The Cubs need to get this guy: Jay Marshall
https://custom.photoshelter.com/c/calvert/gallery-img-show/Jay-Marshalls-Beard/G0000Q8iVxW_KbmY/?&_bqG=0&_bqH=eJzz9yn2z0sPj4gPM3BxdwnLLwiMDCsyCs0sCS63MrYyMrWyco_3dLF1NwCCQIvMsIrweO.k3Ei1AJComrtnvLujj49rUCQ2RQAzhhwq&I_ID=I0000ufKRMdXljIo
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=marsha001jay
He's probably not that good but after watching him in the AAA All-Star game, I decided they needed him, if only for his awesome beard
Wrong. Let's leave the stupid facial hair tricks to those zany Tards, Spewers and Sux.
The difference is, they go with some retarded mustache crap. Corey Hart is the only one that grows a full beard, and that's just because he felt disconnected from the rest of his race.[/race] This Jay Marshall fella is just what this team needs. Or maybe I'm thinking about the Bears' offense...
(http://kimskorner.zed1.net/albums/Answers/chewbacca.jpg)
Out of your 1,500 some odd horrible posts, 1,497 of them in the nerd hut, this one is the worst.
At least I fixed the URL tag, so...FUCK YOU TDUBBS!
I would love to come home just to watch the two of you fight and then represent you in the ensuing litigation.
Still the only lawyer in LA not in entertainment?
Strip Club law falls out of the scope of entertainment?
The first law of strip club...There are no laws in strip club.
Pac Man Jones begs to differ.
Quote from: CT III on July 17, 2009, 11:19:18 AM
Quote from: CBStew on July 17, 2009, 11:18:48 AM
Quote from: BH on July 17, 2009, 11:15:03 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 17, 2009, 07:28:26 AM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on July 16, 2009, 11:53:14 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 16, 2009, 10:19:28 AM
Quote from: TDubbs on July 16, 2009, 10:15:05 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 16, 2009, 10:10:34 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 16, 2009, 07:42:18 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on July 15, 2009, 11:33:59 PM
The Cubs need to get this guy: Jay Marshall
https://custom.photoshelter.com/c/calvert/gallery-img-show/Jay-Marshalls-Beard/G0000Q8iVxW_KbmY/?&_bqG=0&_bqH=eJzz9yn2z0sPj4gPM3BxdwnLLwiMDCsyCs0sCS63MrYyMrWyco_3dLF1NwCCQIvMsIrweO.k3Ei1AJComrtnvLujj49rUCQ2RQAzhhwq&I_ID=I0000ufKRMdXljIo
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=marsha001jay
He's probably not that good but after watching him in the AAA All-Star game, I decided they needed him, if only for his awesome beard
Wrong. Let's leave the stupid facial hair tricks to those zany Tards, Spewers and Sux.
The difference is, they go with some retarded mustache crap. Corey Hart is the only one that grows a full beard, and that's just because he felt disconnected from the rest of his race.[/race] This Jay Marshall fella is just what this team needs. Or maybe I'm thinking about the Bears' offense...
(http://kimskorner.zed1.net/albums/Answers/chewbacca.jpg)
Out of your 1,500 some odd horrible posts, 1,497 of them in the nerd hut, this one is the worst.
At least I fixed the URL tag, so...FUCK YOU TDUBBS!
I would love to come home just to watch the two of you fight and then represent you in the ensuing litigation.
Still the only lawyer in LA not in entertainment?
Strip Club law falls out of the scope of entertainment?
The first law of strip club...There are no laws in strip club.
Pac Man Jones begs to differ.
Intrepid Reader: Chris RockNo matter what a stripper tells you, there is no sex in the champagne room.
Quote from: Fork on July 17, 2009, 11:21:25 AM
Quote from: CT III on July 17, 2009, 11:19:18 AM
Quote from: CBStew on July 17, 2009, 11:18:48 AM
Quote from: BH on July 17, 2009, 11:15:03 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 17, 2009, 07:28:26 AM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on July 16, 2009, 11:53:14 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 16, 2009, 10:19:28 AM
Quote from: TDubbs on July 16, 2009, 10:15:05 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 16, 2009, 10:10:34 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 16, 2009, 07:42:18 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on July 15, 2009, 11:33:59 PM
The Cubs need to get this guy: Jay Marshall
https://custom.photoshelter.com/c/calvert/gallery-img-show/Jay-Marshalls-Beard/G0000Q8iVxW_KbmY/?&_bqG=0&_bqH=eJzz9yn2z0sPj4gPM3BxdwnLLwiMDCsyCs0sCS63MrYyMrWyco_3dLF1NwCCQIvMsIrweO.k3Ei1AJComrtnvLujj49rUCQ2RQAzhhwq&I_ID=I0000ufKRMdXljIo
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=marsha001jay
He's probably not that good but after watching him in the AAA All-Star game, I decided they needed him, if only for his awesome beard
Wrong. Let's leave the stupid facial hair tricks to those zany Tards, Spewers and Sux.
The difference is, they go with some retarded mustache crap. Corey Hart is the only one that grows a full beard, and that's just because he felt disconnected from the rest of his race.[/race] This Jay Marshall fella is just what this team needs. Or maybe I'm thinking about the Bears' offense...
(http://kimskorner.zed1.net/albums/Answers/chewbacca.jpg)
Out of your 1,500 some odd horrible posts, 1,497 of them in the nerd hut, this one is the worst.
At least I fixed the URL tag, so...FUCK YOU TDUBBS!
I would love to come home just to watch the two of you fight and then represent you in the ensuing litigation.
Still the only lawyer in LA not in entertainment?
Strip Club law falls out of the scope of entertainment?
The first law of strip club...There are no laws in strip club.
Pac Man Jones begs to differ.
Intrepid Reader: Chris Rock
No matter what a stripper tells you, there is no sex in the champagne room.
I completely regret announcing my lunch plans in the SBox.
I am proud to say that I have never returned to that shit-stain of an establishment.
Watching the monday oakland/twins replay now on mlb, Wuertz's slider if filthy this year. We could really use a guy like that.
Quote from: BH on July 23, 2009, 07:28:05 PM
Wuertz's slider if filthy this year
I know he gets a lot of hate, but Wuertz was always pretty effective with the Cubs.
They have a guy like him. His name's Aaron Heilman.
Quote from: Pre on July 23, 2009, 07:50:41 PM
Quote from: BH on July 23, 2009, 07:28:05 PM
Wuertz's slider if filthy this year
I know he gets a lot of hate, but Wuertz was always pretty effective with the Cubs.
I don't understand why he got hate at all. When he was used properly, he was terrific.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on July 23, 2009, 10:41:56 PM
Quote from: Pre on July 23, 2009, 07:50:41 PM
Quote from: BH on July 23, 2009, 07:28:05 PM
Wuertz's slider if filthy this year
I know he gets a lot of hate, but Wuertz was always pretty effective with the Cubs.
I don't understand why he got hate at all. When he was used properly, he was terrific.
I think it's the whole "Handle With Care" tag that got on Lou and Hendry's nerves and got him shipped out. As a fan, it kind of bugs the piss out of me too. Oh, for the days of pure unadulterated use of PEDs. Times as simple as American League baseball.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on July 23, 2009, 10:41:56 PM
Quote from: Pre on July 23, 2009, 07:50:41 PM
Quote from: BH on July 23, 2009, 07:28:05 PM
Wuertz's slider if filthy this year
I know he gets a lot of hate, but Wuertz was always pretty effective with the Cubs.
I don't understand why he got hate at all. When he was used properly, he was terrific.
You mean any time he actually came in with runners on? I even wanted him gone after he shit his pants anytime he started off an inning. How did Lou not see that?
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 23, 2009, 09:33:23 PM
They have a guy like him. His name's Aaron Heilman.
AN-HELL GOOZMAN!
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 23, 2009, 11:06:11 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on July 23, 2009, 10:41:56 PM
Quote from: Pre on July 23, 2009, 07:50:41 PM
Quote from: BH on July 23, 2009, 07:28:05 PM
Wuertz's slider if filthy this year
I know he gets a lot of hate, but Wuertz was always pretty effective with the Cubs.
I don't understand why he got hate at all. When he was used properly, he was terrific.
I think it's the whole "Handle With Care" tag that got on Lou and Hendry's nerves and got him shipped out. As a fan, it kind of bugs the piss out of me too. Oh, for the days of pure unadulterated use of PEDs. Times as simple as American League baseball.
We all went over the "handle with care" thing a while back it turned out that it wasn't true.
Lou just didn't like Wuertz for some reason. He complained about him and how 'all that guy does is throw sliders' in winter meetings. So Hendry got rid of him. He's probably still glad he's gone. Which makes no sense. The Sox manager is supposed to be the irrational one! I don't know what to believe anymore!
Quote from: Weebs on July 24, 2009, 12:03:48 AM
You mean any time he actually came in with runners on? I even wanted him gone after he shit his pants anytime he started off an inning. How did Lou not see that?
I was curious, do you just regurgitate what other stupid people tell you, or do you look
up the stats and not understand them and make the wrong conclusions?
Wuertz had between an above average and an excellent IS% in his time with the Cubs.
He was good at stranding inherited runners. He's putting up another excellent year
with the A's doing just that.
Living in a twisted world of your selective memory might help you pass the days feeling
like you're the world's most awesomest at everything, and I'm cool with that. But
please stop projecting your crazy on our conversations.
Quote from: Pre on July 24, 2009, 09:17:41 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 24, 2009, 12:03:48 AM
You mean any time he actually came in with runners on? I even wanted him gone after he shit his pants anytime he started off an inning. How did Lou not see that?
I was curious, do you just regurgitate what other stupid people tell you, or do you look
up the stats and not understand them and make the wrong conclusions?
Wuertz had between an above average and an excellent IS% in his time with the Cubs.
He was good at stranding inherited runners. He's putting up another excellent year
with the A's doing just that.
Living in a twisted world of your selective memory might help you pass the days feeling
like you're the world's most awesomest at everything, and I'm cool with that. But
please stop projecting your crazy on our conversations.
I actually was saying, in response to BK's post about "when he was used properly," that Wuertz was best with runners on. He was incredible at getting out of jams. All his trouble came when he had to start off an inning himself and would seem to create his own trouble to get out of.
But no, assuming I was saying the wrong thing is more fun.
Quote from: Weebs on July 24, 2009, 09:51:28 AM
Quote from: Pre on July 24, 2009, 09:17:41 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 24, 2009, 12:03:48 AM
You mean any time he actually came in with runners on? I even wanted him gone after he shit his pants anytime he started off an inning. How did Lou not see that?
I was curious, do you just regurgitate what other stupid people tell you, or do you look
up the stats and not understand them and make the wrong conclusions?
Wuertz had between an above average and an excellent IS% in his time with the Cubs.
He was good at stranding inherited runners. He's putting up another excellent year
with the A's doing just that.
Living in a twisted world of your selective memory might help you pass the days feeling
like you're the world's most awesomest at everything, and I'm cool with that. But
please stop projecting your crazy on our conversations.
I actually was saying, in response to BK's post about "when he was used properly," that Wuertz was best with runners on. He was incredible at getting out of jams. All his trouble came when he had to start off an inning himself and would seem to create his own trouble to get out of.
But no, assuming I was saying the wrong thing is more fun.
All he had to go on is what you wrote.
I read it the same as Pre.
"I even wanted him gone" is confusing, because it seems to build off of and extend the previous thought.
As in: "I wanted him gone when he shit his pants after coming in with runners on. I
even wanted him gone after he shit his pants anytime he started off an inning."
I took me several reads to realize that you probably meant: "I liked him when he stranded inherited runners. But even
I wanted him gone after he shit his pants anytime he started off an inning."
But, then, I too tend to labor under the assumption that you're generally a jackass.
So pay me no mind.
Quote from: Tank on July 24, 2009, 10:06:27 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 24, 2009, 09:51:28 AM
Quote from: Pre on July 24, 2009, 09:17:41 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 24, 2009, 12:03:48 AM
You mean any time he actually came in with runners on? I even wanted him gone after he shit his pants anytime he started off an inning. How did Lou not see that?
I was curious, do you just regurgitate what other stupid people tell you, or do you look
up the stats and not understand them and make the wrong conclusions?
Wuertz had between an above average and an excellent IS% in his time with the Cubs.
He was good at stranding inherited runners. He's putting up another excellent year
with the A's doing just that.
Living in a twisted world of your selective memory might help you pass the days feeling
like you're the world's most awesomest at everything, and I'm cool with that. But
please stop projecting your crazy on our conversations.
I actually was saying, in response to BK's post about "when he was used properly," that Wuertz was best with runners on. He was incredible at getting out of jams. All his trouble came when he had to start off an inning himself and would seem to create his own trouble to get out of.
But no, assuming I was saying the wrong thing is more fun.
All he had to go on is what you wrote.
I read it the same as Pre.
"I even wanted him gone" is confusing, because it seems to build off of and extend the previous thought.
As in: "I wanted him gone when he shit his pants after coming in with runners on. I even wanted him gone after he shit his pants anytime he started off an inning."
I took me several reads to realize that you probably meant: "I liked him when he stranded inherited runners. But even I wanted him gone after he shit his pants anytime he started off an inning."
But, then, I too tend to labor under the assumption that you're generally a jackass.
So pay me no mind.
It was 1 AM. At that time, my brain can only process analog sticks, A, B, X and Y.
Quote from: Weebs on July 24, 2009, 10:07:58 AM
Quote from: Tank on July 24, 2009, 10:06:27 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 24, 2009, 09:51:28 AM
Quote from: Pre on July 24, 2009, 09:17:41 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 24, 2009, 12:03:48 AM
You mean any time he actually came in with runners on? I even wanted him gone after he shit his pants anytime he started off an inning. How did Lou not see that?
I was curious, do you just regurgitate what other stupid people tell you, or do you look
up the stats and not understand them and make the wrong conclusions?
Wuertz had between an above average and an excellent IS% in his time with the Cubs.
He was good at stranding inherited runners. He's putting up another excellent year
with the A's doing just that.
Living in a twisted world of your selective memory might help you pass the days feeling
like you're the world's most awesomest at everything, and I'm cool with that. But
please stop projecting your crazy on our conversations.
I actually was saying, in response to BK's post about "when he was used properly," that Wuertz was best with runners on. He was incredible at getting out of jams. All his trouble came when he had to start off an inning himself and would seem to create his own trouble to get out of.
But no, assuming I was saying the wrong thing is more fun.
All he had to go on is what you wrote.
I read it the same as Pre.
"I even wanted him gone" is confusing, because it seems to build off of and extend the previous thought.
As in: "I wanted him gone when he shit his pants after coming in with runners on. I even wanted him gone after he shit his pants anytime he started off an inning."
I took me several reads to realize that you probably meant: "I liked him when he stranded inherited runners. But even I wanted him gone after he shit his pants anytime he started off an inning."
But, then, I too tend to labor under the assumption that you're generally a jackass.
So pay me no mind.
It was 1 AM. At that time, my brain can only process analog sticks, A, B, X and Y.
Which of those doesn't get you laid?
Quote from: Tank on July 24, 2009, 10:09:11 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 24, 2009, 10:07:58 AM
Quote from: Tank on July 24, 2009, 10:06:27 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 24, 2009, 09:51:28 AM
Quote from: Pre on July 24, 2009, 09:17:41 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 24, 2009, 12:03:48 AM
You mean any time he actually came in with runners on? I even wanted him gone after he shit his pants anytime he started off an inning. How did Lou not see that?
I was curious, do you just regurgitate what other stupid people tell you, or do you look
up the stats and not understand them and make the wrong conclusions?
Wuertz had between an above average and an excellent IS% in his time with the Cubs.
He was good at stranding inherited runners. He's putting up another excellent year
with the A's doing just that.
Living in a twisted world of your selective memory might help you pass the days feeling
like you're the world's most awesomest at everything, and I'm cool with that. But
please stop projecting your crazy on our conversations.
I actually was saying, in response to BK's post about "when he was used properly," that Wuertz was best with runners on. He was incredible at getting out of jams. All his trouble came when he had to start off an inning himself and would seem to create his own trouble to get out of.
But no, assuming I was saying the wrong thing is more fun.
All he had to go on is what you wrote.
I read it the same as Pre.
"I even wanted him gone" is confusing, because it seems to build off of and extend the previous thought.
As in: "I wanted him gone when he shit his pants after coming in with runners on. I even wanted him gone after he shit his pants anytime he started off an inning."
I took me several reads to realize that you probably meant: "I liked him when he stranded inherited runners. But even I wanted him gone after he shit his pants anytime he started off an inning."
But, then, I too tend to labor under the assumption that you're generally a jackass.
So pay me no mind.
It was 1 AM. At that time, my brain can only process analog sticks, A, B, X and Y.
Which of those doesn't get you laid?
It's a sad world that we live in when I'm actually getting sex on a regular basis.
Quote from: Weebs on July 24, 2009, 10:12:14 AM
Quote from: Tank on July 24, 2009, 10:09:11 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 24, 2009, 10:07:58 AM
Quote from: Tank on July 24, 2009, 10:06:27 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 24, 2009, 09:51:28 AM
Quote from: Pre on July 24, 2009, 09:17:41 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 24, 2009, 12:03:48 AM
You mean any time he actually came in with runners on? I even wanted him gone after he shit his pants anytime he started off an inning. How did Lou not see that?
I was curious, do you just regurgitate what other stupid people tell you, or do you look
up the stats and not understand them and make the wrong conclusions?
Wuertz had between an above average and an excellent IS% in his time with the Cubs.
He was good at stranding inherited runners. He's putting up another excellent year
with the A's doing just that.
Living in a twisted world of your selective memory might help you pass the days feeling
like you're the world's most awesomest at everything, and I'm cool with that. But
please stop projecting your crazy on our conversations.
I actually was saying, in response to BK's post about "when he was used properly," that Wuertz was best with runners on. He was incredible at getting out of jams. All his trouble came when he had to start off an inning himself and would seem to create his own trouble to get out of.
But no, assuming I was saying the wrong thing is more fun.
All he had to go on is what you wrote.
I read it the same as Pre.
"I even wanted him gone" is confusing, because it seems to build off of and extend the previous thought.
As in: "I wanted him gone when he shit his pants after coming in with runners on. I even wanted him gone after he shit his pants anytime he started off an inning."
I took me several reads to realize that you probably meant: "I liked him when he stranded inherited runners. But even I wanted him gone after he shit his pants anytime he started off an inning."
But, then, I too tend to labor under the assumption that you're generally a jackass.
So pay me no mind.
It was 1 AM. At that time, my brain can only process analog sticks, A, B, X and Y.
Which of those doesn't get you laid?
It's a sad world that we live in when I'm actually getting sex on a regular basis.
Beatin' it doesn't count.
Quote from: Weebs on July 24, 2009, 09:51:28 AM
I actually was saying, in response to BK's post about "when he was used properly," that Wuertz was best with runners on. He was incredible at getting out of jams. All his trouble came when he had to start off an inning himself and would seem to create his own trouble to get out of.
G IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA
Bases Empty 272 156.0 133 28 25 21 59 169 1.44 1.23 .219
Runners On 253 152.2 125 104 93 9 82 162 5.48 1.36 .239
Quote from: Eli on July 24, 2009, 10:23:24 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 24, 2009, 09:51:28 AM
I actually was saying, in response to BK's post about "when he was used properly," that Wuertz was best with runners on. He was incredible at getting out of jams. All his trouble came when he had to start off an inning himself and would seem to create his own trouble to get out of.
G IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA
Bases Empty 272 156.0 133 28 25 21 59 169 1.44 1.23 .219
Runners On 253 152.2 125 104 93 9 82 162 5.48 1.36 .239
What are you trying to prove here? That his ERA and WHIP were higher with Runners on? Yeah, I generally think that's how it works.
Quote from: Weebs on July 24, 2009, 10:25:39 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 24, 2009, 10:23:24 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 24, 2009, 09:51:28 AM
I actually was saying, in response to BK's post about "when he was used properly," that Wuertz was best with runners on. He was incredible at getting out of jams. All his trouble came when he had to start off an inning himself and would seem to create his own trouble to get out of.
G IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA
Bases Empty 272 156.0 133 28 25 21 59 169 1.44 1.23 .219
Runners On 253 152.2 125 104 93 9 82 162 5.48 1.36 .239
What are you trying to prove here? That his ERA and WHIP were higher with Runners on? Yeah, I generally think that's how it works.
No, you said he was "incredible" with runners on. The numbers basically look like a wash to me. More homers allowed with bases empty, more walks and hits with guys on.
Quote from: Eli on July 24, 2009, 10:30:41 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 24, 2009, 10:25:39 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 24, 2009, 10:23:24 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 24, 2009, 09:51:28 AM
I actually was saying, in response to BK's post about "when he was used properly," that Wuertz was best with runners on. He was incredible at getting out of jams. All his trouble came when he had to start off an inning himself and would seem to create his own trouble to get out of.
G IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA
Bases Empty 272 156.0 133 28 25 21 59 169 1.44 1.23 .219
Runners On 253 152.2 125 104 93 9 82 162 5.48 1.36 .239
What are you trying to prove here? That his ERA and WHIP were higher with Runners on? Yeah, I generally think that's how it works.
No, you said he was "incredible" with runners on. The numbers basically look like a wash to me. More homers allowed with bases empty, more walks and hits with guys on.
Okay, this shit got super confusing because of the phrasing. Wuertz was great with inherited runners. He wasn't as good when he started an inning himself. Therefore, his Runners On stats represent both situations, but the ER could reflect both runners he let in after the ones he inherited or the ones he let in when he started an inning. I remember looking for the stats a while back of how many inherited runners he let score and how good he was in those situations, but I think the runs were the only stats I was able to come up with. He was top 3 in the majors for a few years in a row.
Quote from: Eli on July 24, 2009, 09:00:50 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 23, 2009, 11:06:11 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on July 23, 2009, 10:41:56 PM
Quote from: Pre on July 23, 2009, 07:50:41 PM
Quote from: BH on July 23, 2009, 07:28:05 PM
Wuertz's slider if filthy this year
I know he gets a lot of hate, but Wuertz was always pretty effective with the Cubs.
I don't understand why he got hate at all. When he was used properly, he was terrific.
I think it's the whole "Handle With Care" tag that got on Lou and Hendry's nerves and got him shipped out. As a fan, it kind of bugs the piss out of me too. Oh, for the days of pure unadulterated use of PEDs. Times as simple as American League baseball.
We all went over the "handle with care" thing a while back it turned out that it wasn't true.
Actually'd.
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 26, 2009, 01:30:42 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 26, 2009, 01:19:11 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on May 26, 2009, 01:15:25 PM
Quote from: Slakee on May 26, 2009, 01:11:22 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 26, 2009, 12:57:49 PM
Quote from: Apexx on May 26, 2009, 12:49:28 PM
Do you remember how Wuertz was pretty good when rested but absolutely useless when used on consecutive days?
I remember people talking about it, yes. But ...
QuoteYou might have some stats somewhere that make it look like that's not the case. Maybe you do. I don't know.
Yesssssss!
Michael Wuertz, 2006-2008:
0 day's rest: 2.35 ERA
1 day's rest: 3.50 ERA
2 day's rest: 4.23 ERA
I'll play statfag and feel free to VORP-whip me if this is out of line.
But is ERA really the most effective measurement of a pitcher coming out of the pen? Generally with runners on base? Just a question. Harmless, at that.
I'll hang up and wait for an answer.
Here's all the stats you should want for Wuertz's career. Like Eli said, the "Wuertz can't pitch on consecutive days," is, for the most part, a load of shit.
I Split G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR SB CS BB SO SO/BB BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB BAbip tOPS+
2nd in DHGR 1 4 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 -100
0 DaysGR 76 284 242 34 59 13 2 11 4 2 34 65 1.91 .244 .337 .450 .787 109 6 1 5 2 3 .286 129
1 DayGR 96 409 362 35 73 15 1 7 8 4 41 114 2.78 .202 .281 .307 .588 111 2 0 4 2 4 .272 73
2 DaysGR 56 254 220 29 57 9 1 7 6 1 32 48 1.50 .259 .350 .405 .755 89 6 0 0 2 8 .299 121
3 DaysGR 23 95 83 8 17 3 0 2 0 1 9 20 2.22 .205 .277 .313 .590 26 3 0 1 2 1 .238 73
4 DaysGR 11 39 36 1 4 2 1 0 1 0 2 13 6.50 .111 .158 .222 .380 8 0 0 1 0 1 .174 10
5 DaysGR 5 20 17 4 5 1 1 0 1 1 2 4 2.00 .294 .368 .471 .839 8 0 0 1 0 1 .385 145
6+ DaysGR 19 97 82 12 25 7 0 1 6 2 12 25 2.08 .305 .389 .427 .816 35 2 0 2 1 0 .421 140
Is this really going to turn into "The One That Got Away" thread?
Because that would be a really shitty thread.
Agreed.
I do think what Wuertz and Aaaaaaardsma are doing should call into question Rothschild's competence though.
Am I reading this wrong or does it show his OPS-against went up 200 points with 0 days rest as opposed to one? Or are these somebody else's numbers? Did he not give up 4 more HRs in over 100 fewer PAs? Didn't see his BB/K drop nearly a full point? Somebody please help my stupid ass learn to read.
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 24, 2009, 05:12:53 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 26, 2009, 01:30:42 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 26, 2009, 01:19:11 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on May 26, 2009, 01:15:25 PM
Quote from: Slakee on May 26, 2009, 01:11:22 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 26, 2009, 12:57:49 PM
Quote from: Apexx on May 26, 2009, 12:49:28 PM
Do you remember how Wuertz was pretty good when rested but absolutely useless when used on consecutive days?
I remember people talking about it, yes. But ...
QuoteYou might have some stats somewhere that make it look like that's not the case. Maybe you do. I don't know.
Yesssssss!
Michael Wuertz, 2006-2008:
0 day's rest: 2.35 ERA
1 day's rest: 3.50 ERA
2 day's rest: 4.23 ERA
I'll play statfag and feel free to VORP-whip me if this is out of line.
But is ERA really the most effective measurement of a pitcher coming out of the pen? Generally with runners on base? Just a question. Harmless, at that.
I'll hang up and wait for an answer.
Here's all the stats you should want for Wuertz's career. Like Eli said, the "Wuertz can't pitch on consecutive days," is, for the most part, a load of shit.
I Split G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR SB CS BB SO SO/BB BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB BAbip tOPS+
2nd in DHGR 1 4 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 -100
0 DaysGR 76 284 242 34 59 13 2 11 4 2 34 65 1.91 .244 .337 .450 .787 109 6 1 5 2 3 .286 129
1 DayGR 96 409 362 35 73 15 1 7 8 4 41 114 2.78 .202 .281 .307 .588 111 2 0 4 2 4 .272 73
2 DaysGR 56 254 220 29 57 9 1 7 6 1 32 48 1.50 .259 .350 .405 .755 89 6 0 0 2 8 .299 121
3 DaysGR 23 95 83 8 17 3 0 2 0 1 9 20 2.22 .205 .277 .313 .590 26 3 0 1 2 1 .238 73
4 DaysGR 11 39 36 1 4 2 1 0 1 0 2 13 6.50 .111 .158 .222 .380 8 0 0 1 0 1 .174 10
5 DaysGR 5 20 17 4 5 1 1 0 1 1 2 4 2.00 .294 .368 .471 .839 8 0 0 1 0 1 .385 145
6+ DaysGR 19 97 82 12 25 7 0 1 6 2 12 25 2.08 .305 .389 .427 .816 35 2 0 2 1 0 .421 140
Is this really going to turn into "The One That Got Away" thread?
Because that would be a really shitty thread.
Agreed.
I do think what Wuertz and Aaaaaaardsma are doing should call into question Rothschild's competence though.
Am I reading this wrong or does it show his OPS-against went up 200 points with 0 days rest as opposed to one?
I guess it also shows that if you're going to sit him two days, you might as well sit him three.
Quote from: Oleg on July 24, 2009, 05:19:42 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 24, 2009, 05:12:53 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 26, 2009, 01:30:42 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 26, 2009, 01:19:11 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on May 26, 2009, 01:15:25 PM
Quote from: Slakee on May 26, 2009, 01:11:22 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 26, 2009, 12:57:49 PM
Quote from: Apexx on May 26, 2009, 12:49:28 PM
Do you remember how Wuertz was pretty good when rested but absolutely useless when used on consecutive days?
I remember people talking about it, yes. But ...
QuoteYou might have some stats somewhere that make it look like that's not the case. Maybe you do. I don't know.
Yesssssss!
Michael Wuertz, 2006-2008:
0 day's rest: 2.35 ERA
1 day's rest: 3.50 ERA
2 day's rest: 4.23 ERA
I'll play statfag and feel free to VORP-whip me if this is out of line.
But is ERA really the most effective measurement of a pitcher coming out of the pen? Generally with runners on base? Just a question. Harmless, at that.
I'll hang up and wait for an answer.
Here's all the stats you should want for Wuertz's career. Like Eli said, the "Wuertz can't pitch on consecutive days," is, for the most part, a load of shit.
I Split G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR SB CS BB SO SO/BB BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB BAbip tOPS+
2nd in DHGR 1 4 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 -100
0 DaysGR 76 284 242 34 59 13 2 11 4 2 34 65 1.91 .244 .337 .450 .787 109 6 1 5 2 3 .286 129
1 DayGR 96 409 362 35 73 15 1 7 8 4 41 114 2.78 .202 .281 .307 .588 111 2 0 4 2 4 .272 73
2 DaysGR 56 254 220 29 57 9 1 7 6 1 32 48 1.50 .259 .350 .405 .755 89 6 0 0 2 8 .299 121
3 DaysGR 23 95 83 8 17 3 0 2 0 1 9 20 2.22 .205 .277 .313 .590 26 3 0 1 2 1 .238 73
4 DaysGR 11 39 36 1 4 2 1 0 1 0 2 13 6.50 .111 .158 .222 .380 8 0 0 1 0 1 .174 10
5 DaysGR 5 20 17 4 5 1 1 0 1 1 2 4 2.00 .294 .368 .471 .839 8 0 0 1 0 1 .385 145
6+ DaysGR 19 97 82 12 25 7 0 1 6 2 12 25 2.08 .305 .389 .427 .816 35 2 0 2 1 0 .421 140
Is this really going to turn into "The One That Got Away" thread?
Because that would be a really shitty thread.
Agreed.
I do think what Wuertz and Aaaaaaardsma are doing should call into question Rothschild's competence though.
Am I reading this wrong or does it show his OPS-against went up 200 points with 0 days rest as opposed to one?
I guess it also shows that if you're going to sit him two days, you might as well sit him three.
Gee, I wish we still had a guy like that.
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 24, 2009, 05:21:45 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 24, 2009, 05:19:42 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 24, 2009, 05:12:53 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 26, 2009, 01:30:42 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 26, 2009, 01:19:11 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on May 26, 2009, 01:15:25 PM
Quote from: Slakee on May 26, 2009, 01:11:22 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 26, 2009, 12:57:49 PM
Quote from: Apexx on May 26, 2009, 12:49:28 PM
Do you remember how Wuertz was pretty good when rested but absolutely useless when used on consecutive days?
I remember people talking about it, yes. But ...
QuoteYou might have some stats somewhere that make it look like that's not the case. Maybe you do. I don't know.
Yesssssss!
Michael Wuertz, 2006-2008:
0 day's rest: 2.35 ERA
1 day's rest: 3.50 ERA
2 day's rest: 4.23 ERA
I'll play statfag and feel free to VORP-whip me if this is out of line.
But is ERA really the most effective measurement of a pitcher coming out of the pen? Generally with runners on base? Just a question. Harmless, at that.
I'll hang up and wait for an answer.
Here's all the stats you should want for Wuertz's career. Like Eli said, the "Wuertz can't pitch on consecutive days," is, for the most part, a load of shit.
I Split G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR SB CS BB SO SO/BB BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB BAbip tOPS+
2nd in DHGR 1 4 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 -100
0 DaysGR 76 284 242 34 59 13 2 11 4 2 34 65 1.91 .244 .337 .450 .787 109 6 1 5 2 3 .286 129
1 DayGR 96 409 362 35 73 15 1 7 8 4 41 114 2.78 .202 .281 .307 .588 111 2 0 4 2 4 .272 73
2 DaysGR 56 254 220 29 57 9 1 7 6 1 32 48 1.50 .259 .350 .405 .755 89 6 0 0 2 8 .299 121
3 DaysGR 23 95 83 8 17 3 0 2 0 1 9 20 2.22 .205 .277 .313 .590 26 3 0 1 2 1 .238 73
4 DaysGR 11 39 36 1 4 2 1 0 1 0 2 13 6.50 .111 .158 .222 .380 8 0 0 1 0 1 .174 10
5 DaysGR 5 20 17 4 5 1 1 0 1 1 2 4 2.00 .294 .368 .471 .839 8 0 0 1 0 1 .385 145
6+ DaysGR 19 97 82 12 25 7 0 1 6 2 12 25 2.08 .305 .389 .427 .816 35 2 0 2 1 0 .421 140
Is this really going to turn into "The One That Got Away" thread?
Because that would be a really shitty thread.
Agreed.
I do think what Wuertz and Aaaaaaardsma are doing should call into question Rothschild's competence though.
Am I reading this wrong or does it show his OPS-against went up 200 points with 0 days rest as opposed to one?
I guess it also shows that if you're going to sit him two days, you might as well sit him three.
Gee, I wish we still had a guy like that.
Me too. (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090719&content_id=5942154&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)
Well, I always liked him. If he's finally figured things out and continues to have success, I'm glad it's in the AL if not for the Cubs.
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 24, 2009, 05:29:01 PM
Well, I always liked him. If he's finally figured things out and continues to have success, I'm glad it's in the AL if not for the Cubs.
But he had already pretty much figured things out with the Cubs. He was good, and I was surprised they let him go so easily.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on July 24, 2009, 08:50:30 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 24, 2009, 05:29:01 PM
Well, I always liked him. If he's finally figured things out and continues to have success, I'm glad it's in the AL if not for the Cubs.
But he had already pretty much figured things out with the Cubs. He was good, and I was surprised they let him go so easily.
Ah, it don't mean shit until Stoney Tweets it.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on July 24, 2009, 08:50:30 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 24, 2009, 05:29:01 PM
Well, I always liked him. If he's finally figured things out and continues to have success, I'm glad it's in the AL if not for the Cubs.
But he had already pretty much figured things out with the Cubs. He was good, and I was surprised they let him go so easily.
Yeah, he was good with the Cubs. And I always liked him.
But he wasn't near as good with the Cubs as he has been this season in Oakland...
Year G IP BF ERA ERA+ WHIP BABIP FIP BA OBP SLG OPS
2004 31 29 124 4.34 101 1.345 0.258 4.53 0.218 0.325 0.416 0.741
2005 75 75.2 319 3.81 116 1.322 0.303 3.28 0.219 0.316 0.321 0.638
2006 41 40.2 175 2.66 174 1.254 0.292 3.93 0.226 0.302 0.374 0.677
2007 73 72.1 312 3.48 134 1.369 0.309 3.94 0.234 0.320 0.392 0.712
2008 45 44.2 189 3.63 123 1.433 0.294 4.30 0.267 0.340 0.400 0.740
2009 44 46.1 180 2.72 150 0.993 0.301 2.10 0.201 0.257 0.335 0.592
Year H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB LOB% IR IS IS% RAR WAR Dollars Salary
2004 6.8 1.2 5.3 9.3 1.76 74.9% 26 8 31% 0.3 0.0 $0.1 $0.3
2005 7.1 0.7 4.8 10.6 2.23 69.9% 50 14 28% 12.4 1.3 $4.3 $0.3
2006 7.7 1.1 3.5 9.3 2.63 84.4% 37 16 43% 4.8 0.5 $1.8 $0.4
2007 8.0 1.0 4.4 9.8 2.26 78.6% 38 5 13% 6.8 0.7 $2.8 $0.4
2008 8.9 0.8 4.0 6.0 1.50 70.2% 40 12 30% 2.0 0.2 $0.9 $0.9
2009 6.4 0.6 2.5 11.8 4.69 74.2% 24 6 25% 15.8 1.6 $7.1
FIP = fielding independent ERA
IR = inherited runners
IS/IS% = number and % of inherited runners who scored
Nearly all of his numbers are better this season, but have a look at his WHIP, K/BB ratio, OPS against and FIB in particular. It's a world of difference.
What about actual production?
RAR and WAR are Fangraphs metrics expressing players' marginal value in terms of the number of cumulative runs and wins they're worth compared with a replacement player (calculated from park-adjusted fielding independent pitching). "Dollars" expresses this same value in terms of millions of 2009 dollars.
Read more: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/#winvalues
As you can see from the above, they reckon he's already been worth more in terms of actual production in his 46 1/3 IP so far in 2009 than he had been in any one season here. Indeed, if he keeps this up, he projects to be worth more in 2009 than he was in both of his full Cubs seasons (2005 and 2007) combined.
Park factor adjustment or no, though, I can't shake the sense that at least some of this improvement springs from a move to a reputedly pitcher-friendly park. And this sense is only reinforced by a glance at Wuertz's eye-popping 2009 home-away splits...
Split G IP BF ERA WHIP BABIP BA OBP SLG OPS H R ER HR SO/9 SO/BB
Home 20 21.2 77 0.42 0.646 0.163 0.113 0.182 0.183 0.365 8 1 1 1 11.2 4.50
Away 24 24.2 103 4.74 1.297 0.390 0.269 0.314 0.452 0.765 25 14 13 2 12.4 4.86
Those BABIP numbers seem to suggest he's been pretty unlucky on the road and really fucking lucky at home. Still... just
one earned run at home?
Sure, it sucks that the Cubs dumped a solid reliever for two guys who are already out of the system (Richie Robnett was outright released and picked up by the Yankees, Justin Sellers was sent to the Dodgers for a PTBNL or cash, likely the latter). And it sucks that he was basically replaced with Heilman.
But let's not get too crazy. Oakland seems to suit him well. And, in any event, he's still just a reliever.
Quote from: Weebs on July 24, 2009, 10:34:35 AM
He wasn't as good when he started an inning himself.
If only baseball reference had some kind of simple stat to show that once again you're
shitting on a thread with crazy.
Oh, here it is. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=wuertmi01&year=Career&t=p#leado)
I Split G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR SB CS BB SO SO/BB BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB BAbip tOPS+
First Batter 309 309 268 41 66 10 4 10 2 0 35 72 2.06 .246 .331 .425 .757 114 4 0 4 2 0 .298 122
Leadoff Inn. 231 275 249 8 54 9 0 8 0 0 26 69 2.65 .217 .291 .349 .640 87 0 0 0 0 0 .267 88
Instead of making an excuse and mutating your-- for lack of better
words I'll call it a-- theory to some other similar crap, feel free to go
back to posting about how awesome you think you are at some
video game for us all to ignore.
Just because you keep saying the same inane "analysis" doesn't
make it true. You're like Joe Morgan claiming Banks hit most of
his home runs into the baskets that didn't exist during his career.
Quote from: Pre on July 25, 2009, 01:42:53 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 24, 2009, 10:34:35 AM
He wasn't as good when he started an inning himself.
If only baseball reference had some kind of simple stat to show that once again you're
shitting on a thread with crazy.
Oh, here it is. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=wuertmi01&year=Career&t=p#leado)
I Split G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR SB CS BB SO SO/BB BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB BAbip tOPS+
First Batter 309 309 268 41 66 10 4 10 2 0 35 72 2.06 .246 .331 .425 .757 114 4 0 4 2 0 .298 122
Leadoff Inn. 231 275 249 8 54 9 0 8 0 0 26 69 2.65 .217 .291 .349 .640 87 0 0 0 0 0 .267 88
Instead of making an excuse and mutating your-- for lack of better
words I'll call it a-- theory to some other similar crap, feel free to go
back to posting about how awesome you think you are at some
video game for us all to ignore.
Just because you keep saying the same inane "analysis" doesn't
make it true. You're like Joe Morgan claiming Banks hit most of
his home runs into the baskets that didn't exist during his career.
1:42 AM? A-Pre is going to kill you today.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on July 25, 2009, 12:54:13 PM
Quote from: Pre on July 25, 2009, 01:42:53 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 24, 2009, 10:34:35 AM
He wasn't as good when he started an inning himself.
If only baseball reference had some kind of simple stat to show that once again you're
shitting on a thread with crazy.
Oh, here it is. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=wuertmi01&year=Career&t=p#leado)
I Split G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR SB CS BB SO SO/BB BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB BAbip tOPS+
First Batter 309 309 268 41 66 10 4 10 2 0 35 72 2.06 .246 .331 .425 .757 114 4 0 4 2 0 .298 122
Leadoff Inn. 231 275 249 8 54 9 0 8 0 0 26 69 2.65 .217 .291 .349 .640 87 0 0 0 0 0 .267 88
Instead of making an excuse and mutating your-- for lack of better
words I'll call it a-- theory to some other similar crap, feel free to go
back to posting about how awesome you think you are at some
video game for us all to ignore.
Just because you keep saying the same inane "analysis" doesn't
make it true. You're like Joe Morgan claiming Banks hit most of
his home runs into the baskets that didn't exist during his career.
1:42 AM? A-Pre is going to kill you today.
Musta gotten pretty loaded at the rehearsal. Isn't Pre getting married right about now?
Quote from: MAD on July 25, 2009, 01:08:37 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on July 25, 2009, 12:54:13 PM
Quote from: Pre on July 25, 2009, 01:42:53 AM
Quote from: Weebs on July 24, 2009, 10:34:35 AM
He wasn't as good when he started an inning himself.
If only baseball reference had some kind of simple stat to show that once again you're
shitting on a thread with crazy.
Oh, here it is. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=wuertmi01&year=Career&t=p#leado)
I Split G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR SB CS BB SO SO/BB BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB BAbip tOPS+
First Batter 309 309 268 41 66 10 4 10 2 0 35 72 2.06 .246 .331 .425 .757 114 4 0 4 2 0 .298 122
Leadoff Inn. 231 275 249 8 54 9 0 8 0 0 26 69 2.65 .217 .291 .349 .640 87 0 0 0 0 0 .267 88
Instead of making an excuse and mutating your-- for lack of better
words I'll call it a-- theory to some other similar crap, feel free to go
back to posting about how awesome you think you are at some
video game for us all to ignore.
Just because you keep saying the same inane "analysis" doesn't
make it true. You're like Joe Morgan claiming Banks hit most of
his home runs into the baskets that didn't exist during his career.
1:42 AM? A-Pre is going to kill you today.
Musta gotten pretty loaded at the rehearsal. Isn't Pre getting married right about now?
He was indeed.
Why the fuck is Aaron Heilman still on this roster?
Quote from: Weebs on July 28, 2009, 09:53:35 PM
Why the fuck is Aaron Heilman still on this roster?
Because he played for one of Hendry's buddies in college.
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on July 28, 2009, 09:57:52 PM
Quote from: Weebs on July 28, 2009, 09:53:35 PM
Why the fuck is Aaron Heilman still on this roster?
Because he played for one of Hendry's buddies in college.
Kerm, fuck your gutless fucking college and all the sports "talent" it produces.
So two of the three losses since the ASB, if this score holds up, can be attributed at least in part to the two Notre Dame fuckwits in the pen.
Quote from: Weebs on July 28, 2009, 09:59:44 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on July 28, 2009, 09:57:52 PM
Quote from: Weebs on July 28, 2009, 09:53:35 PM
Why the fuck is Aaron Heilman still on this roster?
Because he played for one of Hendry's buddies in college.
Kerm, fuck your gutless fucking college and all the sports "talent" it produces.
Based on his performance this year, Aaron Heilman has been invited to play in the Sugar Bowl.
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on July 28, 2009, 10:03:29 PM
So two of the three losses since the ASB, if this score holds up, can be attributed at least in part to the two Notre Dame fuckwits in the pen.
Heilman has been awful, no doubt, but Jesus Christ, dude. Calm down. They're 9-3 since the ASB, and Dempster was, as expected, not sharp in his first start back. Plus, Houston's bullpen is toast. If they take 3 of 4, will you calm down?
Fuck Aaron Heilman with Charlie Weis' frontbutt.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on July 29, 2009, 09:29:40 AM
If they take 3 of 4, will you calm down?
I'm struggling to come up with an answer that's longer than two letters, but this is the best I can manage.
Quote from: Tank on July 29, 2009, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on July 29, 2009, 09:29:40 AM
If they take 3 of 4, will you calm down?
I'm struggling to come up with an answer that's longer than two letters, but this is the best I can manage. Are you new here?
Internet tradition'd.
Crazy Rumor Guy says Grabow and Gorzelanny are on their way to our KUBBEEZ. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/cubs-eyeing-teahen-hermida.html)
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on July 30, 2009, 04:04:26 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy says Grabow and Gorzelanny are on their way to our KUBBEEZ. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/cubs-eyeing-teahen-hermida.html)
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Pirates beat guy is saying the same thing.
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on July 30, 2009, 04:13:33 PM
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on July 30, 2009, 04:04:26 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy says Grabow and Gorzelanny are on their way to our KUBBEEZ. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/cubs-eyeing-teahen-hermida.html)
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Pirates beat guy is saying the same thing.
Would that be the same Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Pirates beat guy that Crazy Rumor Guy quoted? Thanks for the scoop.
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on July 30, 2009, 04:24:44 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on July 30, 2009, 04:13:33 PM
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on July 30, 2009, 04:04:26 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy says Grabow and Gorzelanny are on their way to our KUBBEEZ. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/cubs-eyeing-teahen-hermida.html)
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Pirates beat guy is saying the same thing.
Would that be the same Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Pirates beat guy that Crazy Rumor Guy quoted? Thanks for the scoop.
I'm guessing Mitch Atkins is part of this deal, which is why Stevens was called back up. I wouldn't be surprised if Hart is sent with and Gorzelanny gets a start or two while Lilly is out.
Quote from: Weebs on July 30, 2009, 04:29:23 PM
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on July 30, 2009, 04:24:44 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on July 30, 2009, 04:13:33 PM
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on July 30, 2009, 04:04:26 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy says Grabow and Gorzelanny are on their way to our KUBBEEZ. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/cubs-eyeing-teahen-hermida.html)
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Pirates beat guy is saying the same thing.
Would that be the same Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Pirates beat guy that Crazy Rumor Guy quoted? Thanks for the scoop.
I'm guessing Mitch Atkins is part of this deal, which is why Stevens was called back up. I wouldn't be surprised if Hart is sent with and Gorzelanny gets a start or two while Lilly is out.
I'm not saying you're wrong (I'm just assuming it), but let's pretend for a second that you're right...why would you trade Hart in this deal?
Quote from: PenFoe on July 30, 2009, 04:36:58 PM
Quote from: Weebs on July 30, 2009, 04:29:23 PM
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on July 30, 2009, 04:24:44 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on July 30, 2009, 04:13:33 PM
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on July 30, 2009, 04:04:26 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy says Grabow and Gorzelanny are on their way to our KUBBEEZ. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/cubs-eyeing-teahen-hermida.html)
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Pirates beat guy is saying the same thing.
Would that be the same Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Pirates beat guy that Crazy Rumor Guy quoted? Thanks for the scoop.
I'm guessing Mitch Atkins is part of this deal, which is why Stevens was called back up. I wouldn't be surprised if Hart is sent with and Gorzelanny gets a start or two while Lilly is out.
I'm not saying you're wrong (I'm just assuming it), but let's pretend for a second that you're right...why would you trade Hart in this deal?
Penfoe is right. Kevin Hart's cutter is just starting to drink the blood of the unbelievers.
Quote from: Weebs on July 30, 2009, 04:29:23 PM
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on July 30, 2009, 04:24:44 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on July 30, 2009, 04:13:33 PM
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on July 30, 2009, 04:04:26 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy says Grabow and Gorzelanny are on their way to our KUBBEEZ. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/cubs-eyeing-teahen-hermida.html)
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Pirates beat guy is saying the same thing.
Would that be the same Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Pirates beat guy that Crazy Rumor Guy quoted? Thanks for the scoop.
I'm guessing Mitch Atkins is part of this deal, which is why Stevens was called back up. I wouldn't be surprised if Hart is sent with and Gorzelanny gets a start or two while Lilly is out.
Nope. He's just back because SAM FULD couldn't make it to Chicago in time.
QuoteJeff Stevens got as far as "downtown Chicago," as he put it this morning, before the Cubs called him and told him to stay put. They officially recalled him this morning as they put center fielder Reed Johnson on the DL with his broken left foot.
For today, the Cubs will go with 13 pitchers on the roster. Center fielder Sam Fuld is on his way to Chicago. He'll board the charter for Florida tonight to be called up from Iowa for tomorrow's opener of a three-game series against the Marlins.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 30, 2009, 04:36:58 PM
Quote from: Weebs on July 30, 2009, 04:29:23 PM
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on July 30, 2009, 04:24:44 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on July 30, 2009, 04:13:33 PM
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on July 30, 2009, 04:04:26 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy says Grabow and Gorzelanny are on their way to our KUBBEEZ. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/cubs-eyeing-teahen-hermida.html)
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Pirates beat guy is saying the same thing.
Would that be the same Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Pirates beat guy that Crazy Rumor Guy quoted? Thanks for the scoop.
I'm guessing Mitch Atkins is part of this deal, which is why Stevens was called back up. I wouldn't be surprised if Hart is sent with and Gorzelanny gets a start or two while Lilly is out.
I'm not saying you're wrong (I'm just assuming it), but let's pretend for a second that you're right...why would you trade Hart in this deal?
It was either that link or another one I saw on RotoWorld that Pittsburgh is looking for major league-ready pitching. Hart is one of the guys in the system that fits, and since Gorzelanny is still young, he's not going to come at an incredibly cheap price. They got a pretty good haul in that Snell/Wilson trade. Of course, this is the Pirates and odds are Hendry will find a way to get them for almost nothing.
Edit: Hart, Ascanio and a Minor League SS traded for Grabow/Gorzelanny, courtesy of Bruce Levine.
Quote from: Weebs on July 30, 2009, 04:41:45 PM
Hart, Ascanio and a Minor League SS traded for Grabow/Gorzelanny, courtesy of Bruce Levine.
Booooooooo
Quote from: PenFoe on July 30, 2009, 04:48:56 PM
Quote from: Weebs on July 30, 2009, 04:41:45 PM
Hart, Ascanio and a Minor League SS traded for Grabow/Gorzelanny, courtesy of Bruce Levine.
Booooooooo
Looks like minor league 3b, Josh Harrison.
Kid looks pretty decent. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=harris006jos)
Quote from: RV on July 30, 2009, 04:40:53 PM
Quote from: Weebs on July 30, 2009, 04:29:23 PM
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on July 30, 2009, 04:24:44 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on July 30, 2009, 04:13:33 PM
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on July 30, 2009, 04:04:26 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy says Grabow and Gorzelanny are on their way to our KUBBEEZ. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/cubs-eyeing-teahen-hermida.html)
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Pirates beat guy is saying the same thing.
Would that be the same Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Pirates beat guy that Crazy Rumor Guy quoted? Thanks for the scoop.
I'm guessing Mitch Atkins is part of this deal, which is why Stevens was called back up. I wouldn't be surprised if Hart is sent with and Gorzelanny gets a start or two while Lilly is out.
Nope. He's just back because SAM FULD couldn't make it to Chicago in time.
QuoteJeff Stevens got as far as "downtown Chicago," as he put it this morning, before the Cubs called him and told him to stay put. They officially recalled him this morning as they put center fielder Reed Johnson on the DL with his broken left foot.
For today, the Cubs will go with 13 pitchers on the roster. Center fielder Sam Fuld is on his way to Chicago. He'll board the charter for Florida tonight to be called up from Iowa for tomorrow's opener of a three-game series against the Marlins.
I had assumed Stevens was never going to Iowa in the first place—that he was just "sent down" momentarily to bring in a fresh bullpen arm after those first two games of the series.
I'd expect Atkins to head to Des Moines while FULD joins the team in Miami.
Shorter version: Weebs is wrong.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 30, 2009, 04:48:56 PM
Quote from: Weebs on July 30, 2009, 04:41:45 PM
Hart, Ascanio and a Minor League SS traded for Grabow/Gorzelanny, courtesy of Bruce Levine.
Booooooooo
Why are you booing? Hart sucks, Ascanio is just a reliever and Harrison is just a low-level prospect.
Quote from: Eli on July 30, 2009, 04:58:41 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 30, 2009, 04:48:56 PM
Quote from: Weebs on July 30, 2009, 04:41:45 PM
Hart, Ascanio and a Minor League SS traded for Grabow/Gorzelanny, courtesy of Bruce Levine.
Booooooooo
Why are you booing? Hart sucks, Ascanio is just a reliever and Harrison is just a low-level prospect.
Agreed. Also, I've read on the internets that Grabow will probably be a Type A free agent. But does that matter? Would a team actually give up draft picks to sign John Grabow?
Quote from: RV on July 30, 2009, 05:02:14 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 30, 2009, 04:58:41 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 30, 2009, 04:48:56 PM
Quote from: Weebs on July 30, 2009, 04:41:45 PM
Hart, Ascanio and a Minor League SS traded for Grabow/Gorzelanny, courtesy of Bruce Levine.
Booooooooo
Why are you booing? Hart sucks, Ascanio is just a reliever and Harrison is just a low-level prospect.
Agreed. Also, I've read on the internets that Grabow will probably be a Type A free agent. But does that matter? Would a team actually give up draft picks to sign John Grabow?
Doesn't seem like it but I've seen teams give up draft picks for far less useful players. Not going to name any. Don't have time. But you know it's happened. Hasn't it?
Quote from: RV on July 30, 2009, 05:02:14 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 30, 2009, 04:58:41 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 30, 2009, 04:48:56 PM
Quote from: Weebs on July 30, 2009, 04:41:45 PM
Hart, Ascanio and a Minor League SS traded for Grabow/Gorzelanny, courtesy of Bruce Levine.
Booooooooo
Why are you booing? Hart sucks, Ascanio is just a reliever and Harrison is just a low-level prospect.
Agreed. Also, I've read on the internets that Grabow will probably be a Type A free agent. But does that matter? Would a team actually give up draft picks to sign John Grabow?
Possibly. Depends how he finishes the season, but the Cubs could offer arbitration. If he signs elsewhere, great, if he takes arbitration, he'll get $2-3 million. Either way is probably fine.
Quote from: Eli on July 30, 2009, 04:58:41 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 30, 2009, 04:48:56 PM
Quote from: Weebs on July 30, 2009, 04:41:45 PM
Hart, Ascanio and a Minor League SS traded for Grabow/Gorzelanny, courtesy of Bruce Levine.
Booooooooo
Why are you booing? Hart sucks, Ascanio is just a reliever and Harrison is just a low-level prospect.
Because Grabow is a lefty who doesn't pitch that well against lefties and Gorzellany can't break the Pirates rotation?
Hart's been reasonably solid lately and Harrison has some nice stats.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 30, 2009, 05:06:04 PM
Because Grabow is a lefty who doesn't pitch that well against lefties and Gorzellany can't break the Pirates rotation?
Hart's been reasonably solid lately and Harrison has some nice stats.
Lefties in the last three years against Grabow have a .652 OPS.
Gorzellany's coming back from injury, so the Pirates were basically just playing it safe with him in Triple A. He's also had major league success before and he's still only 26. Given that the Cubs will control him for another 3.5 seasons, it's definitely worth a chance to see if he returns to 2007 form.
As for Hart, he still has a 1.48 WHIP this year. He's been very lucky lately.
Quote from: Eli on July 30, 2009, 05:10:11 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 30, 2009, 05:06:04 PM
Because Grabow is a lefty who doesn't pitch that well against lefties and Gorzellany can't break the Pirates rotation?
Hart's been reasonably solid lately and Harrison has some nice stats.
Lefties in the last three years against Grabow have a .652 OPS.
Gorzellany's coming back from injury, so the Pirates were basically just playing it safe with him in Triple A. He's also had major league success before and he's still only 26. Given that the Cubs will control him for another 3.5 seasons, it's definitely worth a chance to see if he returns to 2007 form.
As for Hart, he still has a 1.48 WHIP this year. He's been very lucky lately.
Look, someone has to play the part of "Guy who doesn't like this trade"...I drew the shortest straw.
Quote from: Eli on July 30, 2009, 05:10:11 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 30, 2009, 05:06:04 PM
Because Grabow is a lefty who doesn't pitch that well against lefties and Gorzellany can't break the Pirates rotation?
Hart's been reasonably solid lately and Harrison has some nice stats.
Lefties in the last three years against Grabow have a .652 OPS.
Gorzellany's coming back from injury, so the Pirates were basically just playing it safe with him in Triple A. He's also had major league success before and he's still only 26. Given that the Cubs will control him for another 3.5 seasons, it's definitely worth a chance to see if he returns to 2007 form.
As for Hart, he still has a 1.48 WHIP this year. He's been very lucky lately.
I thought it was a bit curious to give up Hart for Gorzellany. But, after some thinking, put me in the meh camp.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 30, 2009, 05:11:22 PM
Look, someone has to play the part of "Guy who doesn't like this trade"...I drew the shortest straw.
Or I guess someone else can take it.
Quote
DwightKurtz: am I crazy or is Jim Hendry effing insane for making that deal?
DwightKurtz: maybe we're just over-valueing our own, like typical Cub fans, But Gorzo is a heaping pile of shizz-it
DwightKurtz: that's great, let's go get some more guys who were good in 2007 and injured in 2008. Those are the kind of guys teams win championships with
Quote from: Eli on July 30, 2009, 05:10:11 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 30, 2009, 05:06:04 PM
Because Grabow is a lefty who doesn't pitch that well against lefties and Gorzellany can't break the Pirates rotation?
Hart's been reasonably solid lately and Harrison has some nice stats.
Lefties in the last three years against Grabow have a .652 OPS.
Gorzellany's coming back from injury, so the Pirates were basically just playing it safe with him in Triple A. He's also had major league success before and he's still only 26. Given that the Cubs will control him for another 3.5 seasons, it's definitely worth a chance to see if he returns to 2007 form.
As for Hart, he still has a 1.48 WHIP this year. He's been very lucky lately.
I agree with Eli. He's using numbers, but it's only a few of them. Also, I'm pretty familiar with 'em, too. 26? I was just that age a few years ago. 5? I have five fingers on my toes. It's a little weird, but it helps me remember. Remember the time I ate 1.48 chili dogs? No? Well, it'd be strange if ya did, goofy. You weren't even there! LOL
But, seriously, Eli's right as rain on this one. I've forgotten what we were talking about, but I bet he backed up his argument pretty well.
Quote from: JD on July 30, 2009, 05:47:26 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 30, 2009, 05:10:11 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 30, 2009, 05:06:04 PM
Because Grabow is a lefty who doesn't pitch that well against lefties and Gorzellany can't break the Pirates rotation?
Hart's been reasonably solid lately and Harrison has some nice stats.
Lefties in the last three years against Grabow have a .652 OPS.
Gorzellany's coming back from injury, so the Pirates were basically just playing it safe with him in Triple A. He's also had major league success before and he's still only 26. Given that the Cubs will control him for another 3.5 seasons, it's definitely worth a chance to see if he returns to 2007 form.
As for Hart, he still has a 1.48 WHIP this year. He's been very lucky lately.
I agree with Eli. He's using numbers, but it's only a few of them. Also, I'm pretty familiar with 'em, too. 26? I was just that age a few years ago. 5? I have five fingers on my toes. It's a little weird, but it helps me remember. Remember the time I ate 1.48 chili dogs? No? Well, it'd be strange if ya did, goofy. You weren't even there! LOL
But, seriously, Eli's right as rain on this one. I've forgotten what we were talking about, but I bet he backed up his argument pretty well.
I can't believe this is all we have to show for Freddy Bynum.
Quote from: CT III on July 30, 2009, 06:34:19 PM
Quote from: JD on July 30, 2009, 05:47:26 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 30, 2009, 05:10:11 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 30, 2009, 05:06:04 PM
Because Grabow is a lefty who doesn't pitch that well against lefties and Gorzellany can't break the Pirates rotation?
Hart's been reasonably solid lately and Harrison has some nice stats.
Lefties in the last three years against Grabow have a .652 OPS.
Gorzellany's coming back from injury, so the Pirates were basically just playing it safe with him in Triple A. He's also had major league success before and he's still only 26. Given that the Cubs will control him for another 3.5 seasons, it's definitely worth a chance to see if he returns to 2007 form.
As for Hart, he still has a 1.48 WHIP this year. He's been very lucky lately.
I agree with Eli. He's using numbers, but it's only a few of them. Also, I'm pretty familiar with 'em, too. 26? I was just that age a few years ago. 5? I have five fingers on my toes. It's a little weird, but it helps me remember. Remember the time I ate 1.48 chili dogs? No? Well, it'd be strange if ya did, goofy. You weren't even there! LOL
But, seriously, Eli's right as rain on this one. I've forgotten what we were talking about, but I bet he backed up his argument pretty well.
I can't believe this is all we have to show for Freddy Bynum.
As part of the deal, wasn't Freddy also ordered to leave his teeth for Gary Pressey?
Quote from: MAD on July 30, 2009, 06:35:17 PM
Quote from: CT III on July 30, 2009, 06:34:19 PM
Quote from: JD on July 30, 2009, 05:47:26 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 30, 2009, 05:10:11 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 30, 2009, 05:06:04 PM
Because Grabow is a lefty who doesn't pitch that well against lefties and Gorzellany can't break the Pirates rotation?
Hart's been reasonably solid lately and Harrison has some nice stats.
Lefties in the last three years against Grabow have a .652 OPS.
Gorzellany's coming back from injury, so the Pirates were basically just playing it safe with him in Triple A. He's also had major league success before and he's still only 26. Given that the Cubs will control him for another 3.5 seasons, it's definitely worth a chance to see if he returns to 2007 form.
As for Hart, he still has a 1.48 WHIP this year. He's been very lucky lately.
I agree with Eli. He's using numbers, but it's only a few of them. Also, I'm pretty familiar with 'em, too. 26? I was just that age a few years ago. 5? I have five fingers on my toes. It's a little weird, but it helps me remember. Remember the time I ate 1.48 chili dogs? No? Well, it'd be strange if ya did, goofy. You weren't even there! LOL
But, seriously, Eli's right as rain on this one. I've forgotten what we were talking about, but I bet he backed up his argument pretty well.
I can't believe this is all we have to show for Freddy Bynum.
As part of the deal, wasn't Freddy also ordered to leave his teeth for Gary Pressey?
Fork? Chuck?
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on July 30, 2009, 04:04:26 PM
Crazy Rumor Guy says Grabow and Gorzelanny are on their way to our KUBBEEZ. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/cubs-eyeing-teahen-hermida.html)
(http://www.snipp.org/aggeggioso/cards/cards/gabbo.gif)
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I'm sure Brenly will remind us that Grabow pitched in the WBC, which he blamed on every player who got off to a slow start.
He was OK in April: 1.74 ERA in 10 appearances (but guys hit .264 against him)
He was bad in May : 6.94 ERA in 13 appearances and batters hit a whopping .347 with power (.941 OPS)
In June? 12 games, 2.57 ERA, .163 average against.
July? 10 games, 2.38 ERA, .205 average against
The scary thing about him is that even now that he's pitching better he's walking too many guys. 9 BB to 15 K's in June, 7 BB to 9 K's in July.
Over the past three year he's been tough on lefties so I wouldn't go all Kaplan over his .275 average against them so far this year.
Grabow's not a stud, but he's pretty good, the best of the four pitchers in the deal, and he'll give the Cubs two lefties in the pen, and free SeanBearPig up to make a spot start. If BJ Ryan unexpectedly remembers how to pitch, all the better.
Quote from: Andy on July 30, 2009, 09:49:57 PM
I'm sure Brenly will remind us that Grabow pitched in the WBC, which he blamed on every player who got off to a slow start.
He was OK in April: 1.74 ERA in 10 appearances (but guys hit .264 against him)
He was bad in May : 6.94 ERA in 13 appearances and batters hit a whopping .347 with power (.941 OPS)
In June? 12 games, 2.57 ERA, .163 average against.
July? 10 games, 2.38 ERA, .205 average against
The scary thing about him is that even now that he's pitching better he's walking too many guys. 9 BB to 15 K's in June, 7 BB to 9 K's in July.
Over the past three year he's been tough on lefties so I wouldn't go all Kaplan over his .275 average against them so far this year.
Grabow's not a stud, but he's pretty good, the best of the four pitchers in the deal, and he'll give the Cubs two lefties in the pen, and free SeanBearPig up to make a spot start. If BJ Ryan unexpectedly remembers how to pitch builds a time machine, all the better.
87 mph'd.
Gorzelanny is the most interesting part of this trade for me, by a mile. He had a really good 2007, wet the bed in Pittsburgh last season...but has been VERY good in AAA this season as a starter (better than Kevin Hart, for whatever that's worth). So it's possible that he might end up a nice value here, and the best pitcher involved in this trade. I hope he pulls a Zach Duke and finds it again after taking a short nap.
I wish I had more faith in Rothschild as a technician...there aren't many guys who have come here from somewhere else and become better at pitching. I can't really think of anyone in the bullpen...but guys like Heilman, Eyre, Howry, Remlinger, Cotts, etc, etc sure do stick out as having regressed. I hope that doesn't happen with Grabow. The recent track record of bullpen acquisitions has been pretty bad outside of Kevin Gregg.
His issues with walks have been referenced, but Grabow's WHIP this season is 1.50. Sean Marshall has been a better relief pitcher than he has, which is why this trade only makes sense to me if Marshall is on his way to getting stretched out. Grabow has essentially had one really good season in 2008...and that's about it. So I'm not as confident as some that he's going to be any type of difference maker.
I think the Cubs come out the winners as far as potential upside, but strictly because of Gorzelanny. I don't have as much Kevin Hart love as some do.
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on July 31, 2009, 01:46:52 AM
Gorzelanny is the most interesting part of this trade for me, by a mile. He had a really good 2007, wet the bed in Pittsburgh last season...but has been VERY good in AAA this season as a starter (better than Kevin Hart, for whatever that's worth). So it's possible that he might end up a nice value here, and the best pitcher involved in this trade. I hope he pulls a Zach Duke and finds it again after taking a short nap.
I wish I had more faith in Rothschild as a technician...there aren't many guys who have come here from somewhere else and become better at pitching. I can't really think of anyone in the bullpen...but guys like Heilman, Eyre, Howry, Remlinger, Cotts, etc, etc sure do stick out as having regressed. I hope that doesn't happen with Grabow. The recent track record of bullpen acquisitions has been pretty bad outside of Kevin Gregg.
His issues with walks have been referenced, but Grabow's WHIP this season is 1.50. Sean Marshall has been a better relief pitcher than he has, which is why this trade only makes sense to me if Marshall is on his way to getting stretched out. Grabow has essentially had one really good season in 2008...and that's about it. So I'm not as confident as some that he's going to be any type of difference maker.
I think the Cubs come out the winners as far as potential upside, but strictly because of Gorzelanny. I don't have as much Kevin Hart love as some do.
The trade is pretty meh. I hadn't realized that Gord Zillany was dominated AAA, so that's a plus. I'm not counting on much from BJ so Grabass is a nice pickup. I think we can all agree that Marshall has been a nice surprise and I hope they don't mess with a good thing by throwing him back into he rotation.
So do they get a hitter in the next 8 hours? If only every game was against Russ Ortiz.
DPD - if you want to find yourself suddenly very strongly in favor of this trade, go read the comments on the Tribune story on this trade.
Some gems:
QuoteHorrible deal. Hart is young and was really coming into his own as a starter. He would be sorely needed next year, especially if Harden bolts as a free agent. Ascanio throws hard and Harrison bats .300 and steals bases.
QuoteThis guy pitches his "Heart" out and gets traded to a last-place team for a guy with a career 4.x era?
Sending Fuld down, trading Hart.
I would have been happier had they sent Dempster, and I am being totally serious.
QuoteThats the way it goes, first your money than your clothes. You saw what we did with players i. e. De Rosa, so why should we treat Hart any different.
I loathe us.
Quote from: Slak on July 31, 2009, 07:19:09 AM
DPD - if you want to find yourself suddenly very strongly in favor of this trade, go read the comments on the Tribune story on this trade.
Some gems:
QuoteHorrible deal. Hart is young and was really coming into his own as a starter. He would be sorely needed next year, especially if Harden bolts as a free agent. Ascanio throws hard and Harrison bats .300 and steals bases.
QuoteThis guy pitches his "Heart" out and gets traded to a last-place team for a guy with a career 4.x era?
Sending Fuld down, trading Hart.
I would have been happier had they sent Dempster, and I am being totally serious.
QuoteThats the way it goes, first your money than your clothes. You saw what we did with players i. e. De Rosa, so why should we treat Hart any different.
I loathe us.
Nothing about The Great Adam Dunn?
Quote from: Fork on July 31, 2009, 07:42:05 AM
Quote from: Slak on July 31, 2009, 07:19:09 AM
DPD - if you want to find yourself suddenly very strongly in favor of this trade, go read the comments on the Tribune story on this trade.
Some gems:
QuoteHorrible deal. Hart is young and was really coming into his own as a starter. He would be sorely needed next year, especially if Harden bolts as a free agent. Ascanio throws hard and Harrison bats .300 and steals bases.
QuoteThis guy pitches his "Heart" out and gets traded to a last-place team for a guy with a career 4.x era?
Sending Fuld down, trading Hart.
I would have been happier had they sent Dempster, and I am being totally serious.
QuoteThats the way it goes, first your money than your clothes. You saw what we did with players i. e. De Rosa, so why should we treat Hart any different.
I loathe us.
Nothing about The Great Adam Dunn?
That's an NSBB phenomenon, I'm pretty sure. Trib messageboards are all DeRo all the time.
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 31, 2009, 07:43:58 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 31, 2009, 07:42:05 AM
Quote from: Slak on July 31, 2009, 07:19:09 AM
DPD - if you want to find yourself suddenly very strongly in favor of this trade, go read the comments on the Tribune story on this trade.
Some gems:
QuoteHorrible deal. Hart is young and was really coming into his own as a starter. He would be sorely needed next year, especially if Harden bolts as a free agent. Ascanio throws hard and Harrison bats .300 and steals bases.
QuoteThis guy pitches his "Heart" out and gets traded to a last-place team for a guy with a career 4.x era?
Sending Fuld down, trading Hart.
I would have been happier had they sent Dempster, and I am being totally serious.
QuoteThats the way it goes, first your money than your clothes. You saw what we did with players i. e. De Rosa, so why should we treat Hart any different.
I loathe us.
Nothing about The Great Adam Dunn?
That's an NSBB phenomenon, I'm pretty sure. Trib messageboards are all DeRo all the time.
So windowlickers = NSBB, fat chicks = Trib?
Seeing those comments remind me of what life was like before the web 'sploded and we had places like Desipio. I spent the better part of 2002 bashing my head against the wall at the chicagosports.com Cubs messageboard arguing against people who thought Roosevelt Brown was simply not getting a fair shake.
Quote from: MAD on July 31, 2009, 08:35:01 AM
Seeing those comments remind me of what life was like before the web 'sploded and we had places like Desipio. I spent the better part of 2002 bashing my head against the wall at the chicagosports.com Cubs messageboard arguing against people who thought Roosevelt Brown was simply not getting a fair shake.
Are you saying you did?
(http://theregulator.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/thats_racist_animated.gif)
I spent the better part of 2007 banging my head against the wall on this messageboard arguing against people who thought Matt Murton was simply not getting a fair shake. See how far we've come?
Quote from: MAD on July 31, 2009, 08:35:01 AM
Seeing those comments remind me of what life was like before the web 'sploded and we had places like Desipio. I spent the better part of 2002 bashing my head against the wall at the chicagosports.com Cubs messageboard arguing against people who thought Roosevelt Brown was simply not getting a fair shake.
I remember that too. Never understood the love for that guy.
Eli is very right about Hart. I don't think he had a chance to stay in the Cubs rotation at all and he walked far too many batters to be of use in the pen. His career WHIP is 1.6 or so, and that's with him cutting it down with a 1.482 WHIP this season.
As Andy said before, Grabow's had success againts lefties in the past. I don't like the 1.5 WHIP this year, though. What can you say? This trade seems meh? Getting Gorzelanny as a throw in was nice, especially since he's had success at AAA this year coming off an injury in 2008 and is under control for 3.5 more years. Not terrible at all. But, arguing for Kevin Hart is dumb. He gets to walk too many Cub hitters now. As far as Ascanio is concerned, he can't even defend himself in a 7-11. Or was it a Circle K? I don't care to remind myself. He was probably the eigth or ninth best (ML ready) reliever in the organization.
I spent the better part of 2008, during an unprecedented--in most of our lifetimes-- 97-win season, allowing myself to get angry at that screaming pantywaist LoneStarCubFan who would shriek like Jamie Lee Curtis in "Halloween" every time the Cubs dared to lose a game, so I guess you're right Apex--we haven't come very far.
For those interested in Gorzelanny's season with AAA Indianapolis so far:
4-3 (15 starts), 87.0 IP, 2.48 ERA, 1.184 WHIP, 85/30 K/BB ratio, 8.8 K/9.
I guess I'm pretty retarded because I couldn't find BAA on BR's minors page. I don't have time to look for it, bu anyway...there you go.
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on July 31, 2009, 08:57:59 AM
What can you say? This trade seems meh?
Yes. All we need are Jody Gerut, Craig Monroe and Tony Womack to make this trade yippie skippy exciting!
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 31, 2009, 08:51:07 AM
I spent the better part of 2007 banging my head against the wall on this messageboard arguing against people who thought Matt Murton was simply not getting a fair shake. See how far we've come?
Quote from: MAD on July 31, 2009, 08:59:13 AM
I spent the better part of 2008, during an unprecedented--in most of our lifetimes-- 97-win season, allowing myself to get angry at that screaming pantywaist LoneStarCubFan who would shriek like Jamie Lee Curtis in "Halloween" every time the Cubs dared to lose a game, so I guess you're right Apex--we haven't come very far.
People were pining for Andres Blanco like 4 days ago.
Quote from: CT III on July 30, 2009, 06:34:19 PM
Quote from: JD on July 30, 2009, 05:47:26 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 30, 2009, 05:10:11 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 30, 2009, 05:06:04 PM
Because Grabow is a lefty who doesn't pitch that well against lefties and Gorzellany can't break the Pirates rotation?
Hart's been reasonably solid lately and Harrison has some nice stats.
Lefties in the last three years against Grabow have a .652 OPS.
Gorzellany's coming back from injury, so the Pirates were basically just playing it safe with him in Triple A. He's also had major league success before and he's still only 26. Given that the Cubs will control him for another 3.5 seasons, it's definitely worth a chance to see if he returns to 2007 form.
As for Hart, he still has a 1.48 WHIP this year. He's been very lucky lately.
I agree with Eli. He's using numbers, but it's only a few of them. Also, I'm pretty familiar with 'em, too. 26? I was just that age a few years ago. 5? I have five fingers on my toes. It's a little weird, but it helps me remember. Remember the time I ate 1.48 chili dogs? No? Well, it'd be strange if ya did, goofy. You weren't even there! LOL
But, seriously, Eli's right as rain on this one. I've forgotten what we were talking about, but I bet he backed up his argument pretty well.
I can't believe this is all we have to show for Freddy Bynum.
I like this trade anyway, but I like it even better when you look at it as:
Fast Freddy, Jacque Jones, Will Ohman, and Josh Harrison for Grabowlanny.
Quote from: MAD on July 31, 2009, 08:35:01 AM
Seeing those comments remind me of what life was like before the web 'sploded and we had places like Desipio. I spent the better part of 2002 bashing my head against the wall at the chicagosports.com Cubs messageboard arguing against people who thought Roosevelt Brown was simply not getting a fair shake.
That sounds far better than the time I spent at Cubs.com and the four-letter.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on July 31, 2009, 10:09:38 AM
Quote from: MAD on July 31, 2009, 08:35:01 AM
Seeing those comments remind me of what life was like before the web 'sploded and we had places like Desipio. I spent the better part of 2002 bashing my head against the wall at the chicagosports.com Cubs messageboard arguing against people who thought Roosevelt Brown was simply not getting a fair shake.
That sounds far better than the time I spent at Cubs.com and the four-letter.
What about the Cubs board on ESPN? Woof.
Also, ITI.
Quote from: Slak on July 31, 2009, 10:39:57 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on July 31, 2009, 10:09:38 AM
Quote from: MAD on July 31, 2009, 08:35:01 AM
Seeing those comments remind me of what life was like before the web 'sploded and we had places like Desipio. I spent the better part of 2002 bashing my head against the wall at the chicagosports.com Cubs messageboard arguing against people who thought Roosevelt Brown was simply not getting a fair shake.
That sounds far better than the time I spent at Cubs.com and the four-letter.
What about the Cubs board on ESPN? Woof.
Also, ITI.
I was out having sex with vaginas.
Quote from: Ivy6 on July 31, 2009, 09:28:38 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 31, 2009, 08:51:07 AM
I spent the better part of 2007 banging my head against the wall on this messageboard arguing against people who thought Matt Murton was simply not getting a fair shake. See how far we've come?
Quote from: MAD on July 31, 2009, 08:59:13 AM
I spent the better part of 2008, during an unprecedented--in most of our lifetimes-- 97-win season, allowing myself to get angry at that screaming pantywaist LoneStarCubFan who would shriek like Jamie Lee Curtis in "Halloween" every time the Cubs dared to lose a game, so I guess you're right Apex--we haven't come very far.
People were pining for Andres Blanco like 4 days ago.
Nobody said he was good, just that we wanted to watch him play shortstop. It was out of anger that we said it. But we're better now.
Quote from: Ivy6 on July 31, 2009, 10:51:08 AM
Quote from: Slak on July 31, 2009, 10:39:57 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on July 31, 2009, 10:09:38 AM
Quote from: MAD on July 31, 2009, 08:35:01 AM
Seeing those comments remind me of what life was like before the web 'sploded and we had places like Desipio. I spent the better part of 2002 bashing my head against the wall at the chicagosports.com Cubs messageboard arguing against people who thought Roosevelt Brown was simply not getting a fair shake.
That sounds far better than the time I spent at Cubs.com and the four-letter.
What about the Cubs board on ESPN? Woof.
Also, ITI.
I was out having sex with vaginas.
I was in junior high.
Quote from: SKO on July 31, 2009, 11:18:50 AM
Quote from: Ivy6 on July 31, 2009, 10:51:08 AM
Quote from: Slak on July 31, 2009, 10:39:57 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on July 31, 2009, 10:09:38 AM
Quote from: MAD on July 31, 2009, 08:35:01 AM
Seeing those comments remind me of what life was like before the web 'sploded and we had places like Desipio. I spent the better part of 2002 bashing my head against the wall at the chicagosports.com Cubs messageboard arguing against people who thought Roosevelt Brown was simply not getting a fair shake.
That sounds far better than the time I spent at Cubs.com and the four-letter.
What about the Cubs board on ESPN? Woof.
Also, ITI.
I was out having sex with vaginas.
I was in junior high, dickhead.
Die Hard'ed.
Quote from: SKO on July 31, 2009, 11:18:50 AM
Quote from: Ivy6 on July 31, 2009, 10:51:08 AM
Quote from: Slak on July 31, 2009, 10:39:57 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on July 31, 2009, 10:09:38 AM
Quote from: MAD on July 31, 2009, 08:35:01 AM
Seeing those comments remind me of what life was like before the web 'sploded and we had places like Desipio. I spent the better part of 2002 bashing my head against the wall at the chicagosports.com Cubs messageboard arguing against people who thought Roosevelt Brown was simply not getting a fair shake.
That sounds far better than the time I spent at Cubs.com and the four-letter.
What about the Cubs board on ESPN? Woof.
Also, ITI.
I was out having sex with vaginas.
I was in junior high. having sex with my hand
Quote from: Ivy6 on July 31, 2009, 10:51:08 AM
Quote from: Slak on July 31, 2009, 10:39:57 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on July 31, 2009, 10:09:38 AM
Quote from: MAD on July 31, 2009, 08:35:01 AM
Seeing those comments remind me of what life was like before the web 'sploded and we had places like Desipio. I spent the better part of 2002 bashing my head against the wall at the chicagosports.com Cubs messageboard arguing against people who thought Roosevelt Brown was simply not getting a fair shake.
That sounds far better than the time I spent at Cubs.com and the four-letter.
What about the Cubs board on ESPN? Woof.
Also, ITI.
I was out having sex with vaginas.
I was imagining what it would be like to have sex with vaginas.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 31, 2009, 11:53:02 AM
Quote from: Ivy6 on July 31, 2009, 10:51:08 AM
Quote from: Slak on July 31, 2009, 10:39:57 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on July 31, 2009, 10:09:38 AM
Quote from: MAD on July 31, 2009, 08:35:01 AM
Seeing those comments remind me of what life was like before the web 'sploded and we had places like Desipio. I spent the better part of 2002 bashing my head against the wall at the chicagosports.com Cubs messageboard arguing against people who thought Roosevelt Brown was simply not getting a fair shake.
That sounds far better than the time I spent at Cubs.com and the four-letter.
What about the Cubs board on ESPN? Woof.
Also, ITI.
I was out having sex with vaginas.
I was imagining what it would be like to have sex with vaginas.
I was trying to remember what it was like to have sex with vaginas while I had sex with my hand.
What the fuck happened here?
Quote from: Slak on July 31, 2009, 05:58:05 PM
What the fuck happened here?
The thread got out of control while you were having sex with Apex's hand.
And the Samardizja pants-pissing has commenced.
Fucking pussy.
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on August 01, 2009, 08:01:25 PM
And the Samardizja LoneStar pants-pissing has commenced.
Fucking pussy'd
What does a pants-pissing have to do with fucking a pussy? I try to keep my pissings in the pants, not in the pussy.
Quote from: Tank on August 01, 2009, 08:15:05 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on August 01, 2009, 08:01:25 PM
And the Samardizja LoneStar pants-pissing has commenced.
Fucking pussy'd
So I guess you're satisfied with little Jeffy's performance tonight?
Since nobody else is saying it...
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!
Quote from: BC on August 01, 2009, 08:41:29 PM
Since nobody else is saying it...
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!
I think this (http://i25.tinypic.com/2irkh2f.jpg) means DOOOOOOOOOOOM.
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on August 01, 2009, 08:32:58 PM
Quote from: Tank on August 01, 2009, 08:15:05 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on August 01, 2009, 08:01:25 PM
And the Samardizja LoneStar pants-pissing has commenced.
Fucking pussy'd
So I guess you're satisfied with little Jeffy's performance tonight?
Far be it from to speak for Thrillho, but he would probably agree that Smudgepants is pretty lousy.
He just finds your sand-in-the-vagina over-the-top reactions childish and, frankly, pussirific. As most of us do.
Quote from: MAD on August 01, 2009, 09:39:59 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on August 01, 2009, 08:32:58 PM
Quote from: Tank on August 01, 2009, 08:15:05 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on August 01, 2009, 08:01:25 PM
And the Samardizja LoneStar pants-pissing has commenced.
Fucking pussy'd
So I guess you're satisfied with little Jeffy's performance tonight?
Far be it from to speak for Thrillho, but he would probably agree that Smudgepants is pretty lousy.
He just finds your sand-in-the-vagina over-the-top reactions childish and, frankly, pussirific. As most of us do.
Great. Fuck you too.
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on August 01, 2009, 09:40:53 PM
Quote from: MAD on August 01, 2009, 09:39:59 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on August 01, 2009, 08:32:58 PM
Quote from: Tank on August 01, 2009, 08:15:05 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on August 01, 2009, 08:01:25 PM
And the Samardizja LoneStar pants-pissing has commenced.
Fucking pussy'd
So I guess you're satisfied with little Jeffy's performance tonight?
Far be it from to speak for Thrillho, but he would probably agree that Smudgepants is pretty lousy.
He just finds your sand-in-the-vagina over-the-top reactions childish and, frankly, pussirific. As most of us do.
Great. Fuck you too.
Don't you mean "Fuck you, too,
pussy", tough guy?
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And the Samardizja LoneStar pants-pissing has commenced.
Fucking pussy'd
So I guess you're satisfied with little Jeffy's performance tonight?
Far be it from to speak for Thrillho, but he would probably agree that Smudgepants is pretty lousy.
He just finds your sand-in-the-vagina over-the-top reactions childish and, frankly, pussirific. As most of us do.
Great. Fuck you too.
Don't you mean "Fuck you, too, pussy", internet tough guy (http://globalnerdy.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/internet-tough-guy-magazine.gif)?
I've said it before, and I'll say it again:
Fuck Kevin Gregg.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on August 01, 2009, 09:56:12 PM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again:
Fuck Kevin Gregg.
Intrepid Reader: Derrek LeeI've said it before, and I'll say it again:
Fuck you.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on August 01, 2009, 09:56:12 PM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again:
Fuck Kevin Gregg.
That's the first blown save Gregg's had since...well probably since the last time you went wee-wee on your computer and ranted and raved about the guy. What's that--5 weeks ago?
I know what you're thinking: "Here comes Old Gregg, he's a scaley man-fish."
You don't know me. You don't know what I got. I got somethin' to show ya. You know what that is?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydr8a3UHUy4
Wanna come to a club where people wee on each other?
Quote from: Tank on August 01, 2009, 10:01:48 PM
I know what you're thinking: "Here comes Old Gregg, he's a scaley man-fish."
You don't know me. You don't know what I got. I got somethin' to show ya. You know what that is?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydr8a3UHUy4
Wanna come to a club where people wee on each other?
That video is so bizarre.
Edit: Pre-mature Aaron Heilman anti-splooge! Fuck Notre Dame and fuck whatever that cockstain is going to do next inning.
Quote from: Weebs on August 01, 2009, 10:07:36 PM
Fuck Notre Dame and fuck whatever that cockstain is going to do next inning.
Fuck 1-2-3 saves.
Amazing what happens when the guy doesn't walk anybody...
LoneStar? Guest? Did we just witness the implosion of an account here?
Quote from: Simmer on August 01, 2009, 10:30:33 PM
LoneStar? Guest? Did we just witness the implosion of an account here?
That motherlicker must not like Bailey's.
Quote from: Tank on August 01, 2009, 10:41:11 PM
Quote from: Simmer on August 01, 2009, 10:30:33 PM
LoneStar? Guest? Did we just witness the implosion of an account here?
That motherlicker must not like Bailey's.
Godspeed, LoneStar. We'll always have the "gutless assholes" thread to remember you by.
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LoneStar? Guest? Did we just witness the implosion of an account here?
That motherlicker must not like Bailey's.
He saw his own downstairs mixup.
Quote from: MAD on August 01, 2009, 10:01:22 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on August 01, 2009, 09:56:12 PM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again:
Fuck Kevin Gregg.
That's the first blown save Gregg's had since...well probably since the last time you went wee-wee on your computer and ranted and raved about the guy. What's that--5 weeks ago?
The 4-run meltdown against Houston, the game in Detwat, letting Cincy somehow get back in the first game...they're all just spread out enough to not focus concern, but Gregg has looked vulnerable more than dominant this season. 3 runs after getting the first two outs is pretty inexcusable.
And wasn't it about this time last year that BK's favorite pinch-hitter took Gregg yard for a multi-run blown save in that park? His ERA was 2.29 going into that game, and his season ended with it at 3.41.
The best could be yet to come.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on August 02, 2009, 01:40:46 AM
Quote from: MAD on August 01, 2009, 10:01:22 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on August 01, 2009, 09:56:12 PM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again:
Fuck Kevin Gregg.
That's the first blown save Gregg's had since...well probably since the last time you went wee-wee on your computer and ranted and raved about the guy. What's that--5 weeks ago?
The 4-run meltdown against Houston, the game in Detwat, letting Cincy somehow get back in the first game...they're all just spread out enough to not focus concern, but Gregg has looked vulnerable more than dominant this season. 3 runs after getting the first two outs is pretty inexcusable.
And wasn't it about this time last year that BK's favorite pinch-hitter took Gregg yard for a multi-run blown save in that park? His ERA was 2.29 going into that game, and his season ended with it at 3.41.
The best could be yet to come.
Wow, closer ERA is so important. You might be on to something here.
Gregg's been the most consistent Cubs reliever (well, Cotts was consistently awful, and Guzman's the best but he's too injury-ie). I was stunned by what happened last night, because Gregg absolutely blew the first two guys away. K's on a total of seven pitches and then...yikes.
Of course, if it turns out E-ramis is more injured than just "he got nailed on the funny bone after four hours of playing on a 90 degree night in Florida and it made him nauseous and he had to leave the game" after getting hit in the 10th inning that shouldn't have needed to be played, I'm meeting the Cubs in Cincinnati tomorrow and punching Gregg right in his Rec Specs.
It was not my intention to run LoneStarCubFan off the board. I was merely hoping to help cure him of ledgejumpitis.
And congratulations CubFaninHydePark. With Lonestar's departure, you're now the biggest reactionary goofball on the site.
Quote from: MAD on August 02, 2009, 10:49:50 AM
It was not my intention to run LoneStarCubFan off the board.
It's been my intention to run him off the board for years. Thanks for finishing it.
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Quote from: MAD on August 02, 2009, 10:49:50 AM
It was not my intention to run LoneStarCubFan off the board.
It's been my intention to run him off the board for years. Thanks for finishing it.
You and Huey can start in on the dude from PA, now.
Is there any surprise that a Cubs extra innings victory was the impetus for his exodus? Shit reads like a bad comedy, except its funny.
Heilman is so fucking worthless.
Quote from: Weebs on August 02, 2009, 05:59:17 PM
Heilman is so fucking worthless.
It seems like Hendry's ridiculous Notre Dame fetish has now extended to Pineilla. Ahn-hell maybe a little injury-prone, but maybe not pitching that suckfest every day might be a good idea.
I can't believe Hendry hasn't yet given a $10million+ contract to Craig Counsell. He's a middle infielder, went to Notre Dame, and hits LEFT FUCKING HANDED! Son of a bitch must look like Ted Williams through Hendry's eyes.
I didn't think the pitch to Ross was very bad at all.
I think we're overreacting a bit here.
Sweet jesus...
Alas, Kevin Gregg has returned to being a sack of shit.
Quote from: Waco Kid on August 02, 2009, 06:48:29 PM
Alas, Kevin Gregg has returned to being a sack of shit.
Like we didn't see that coming.
Nice to see you all stepping up and picking up where LoneStar left off.
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on August 02, 2009, 07:10:49 PM
Nice to see you all stepping up and picking up where LoneStar left off.
When you don't have your horses, someone has to fill in.
I wake from my coma at Wrigleyville23 last week with a defense of Kevin Gregg post that has all kinds of shiny stats and gleaming backing-upedness of a splooge for his great couple months, and all he does is kick me in the dick tip in return. Thanks, PANK.
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on August 03, 2009, 08:06:39 AM
I wake from my coma at Wrigleyville23 last week with a defense of Kevin Gregg post that has all kinds of shiny stats and gleaming backing-upedness of a splooge for his great couple months, and all he does is kick me in the dick tip in return. Thanks, PANK.
If you hadn't posted anything, he wouldn't have sucked the last two games.
Nice job, ass.
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Quote from: *In a Nutsack on August 03, 2009, 08:06:39 AM
I wake from my coma at Wrigleyville23 last week with a defense of Kevin Gregg post that has all kinds of shiny stats and gleaming backing-upedness of a splooge for his great couple months, and all he does is kick me in the dick tip in return. Thanks, PANK.
If you hadn't posted anything, he wouldn't have sucked the last two games.
Nice job, ass.
Actually, Saturday night I was thinking after the two outs in the ninth, "Wow, Gregg has been all business lately"
So it was me.
I just hope that it's the ballpark in Florida and nothing more...but the parallels to last season's meltdown are eerie.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on August 03, 2009, 03:38:55 PM
I just hope that it's the ballpark in Florida and nothing more...but the parallels to last season's meltdown are eerie.
Go on...
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 03, 2009, 04:02:55 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on August 03, 2009, 03:38:55 PM
I just hope that it's the ballpark in Florida and nothing more...but the parallels to last season's meltdown are eerie.
Go on...
Yes. I'd also like to hear more.
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Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 03, 2009, 04:02:55 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on August 03, 2009, 03:38:55 PM
I just hope that it's the ballpark in Florida and nothing more...but the parallels to last season's meltdown are eerie.
Go on...
Yes. I'd also like to hear more.
Thirded.
Kevin Gregg's late season meltdown last year? The Cubs late season meltdown?
I'm so baffled. I need closure to this anecdote.
The Cubs just suck in Florida. I don't blame Gregg, I blame that shitstain of a state.
And now Kurt's enormo-signature has added a new level to my baffledom that I didn't know existed.
Quote from: Slak on August 03, 2009, 07:13:56 PM
And now Kurt's enormo-signature has added a new level to my baffledom that I didn't know existed.
I didn't know it was going to be so effin' big, but....
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Quote from: Slak on August 03, 2009, 07:13:56 PM
And now Kurt's enormo-signature has added a new level to my baffledom that I didn't know existed.
I didn't know it was going to be so effin' big, but....
I don't get this KurtEvans mondo-gigantic signature at all.
Quote from: Slak on August 03, 2009, 07:13:56 PM
And now Kurt's enormo-signature has added a new level to my baffledom that I didn't know existed.
I thought that was his post.
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Quote from: Slak on August 03, 2009, 07:13:56 PM
And now Kurt's enormo-signature has added a new level to my baffledom that I didn't know existed.
I didn't know it was going to be so effin' big, but....
I don't get this KurtEvans mondo-gigantic signature at all.
Kurt loves image leeching.
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Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on August 03, 2009, 03:38:55 PM
I just hope that it's the ballpark in Florida and nothing more...but the parallels to last season's meltdown are eerie.
Go on...
His numbers after he gave up the 3-run bomb to Ward were pretty bad. That was pretty much a year ago. I thought his poor numbers to end the season were talked about enough when we first signed him (I recall Andy mentioning this) that you guys would have known.
Gregg didn't pitch well in Aug/Sept last season. Just sayin.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on August 04, 2009, 02:07:29 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 03, 2009, 04:02:55 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on August 03, 2009, 03:38:55 PM
I just hope that it's the ballpark in Florida and nothing more...but the parallels to last season's meltdown are eerie.
Go on...
His numbers after he gave up the 3-run bomb to Ward were pretty bad. That was pretty much a year ago. I thought his poor numbers to end the season were talked about enough when we first signed him (I recall Andy mentioning this) that you guys would have known.
Gregg didn't pitch well in Aug/Sept last season. Just sayin.
Since looking up his numbers is too hard for you, I'll do it I guess.
August: 0-4 with a 10.12 ERA in 10 2/3 IP, 1.781 WHIP, .283 BAA and .834 OPS, 9/6 K/BB.
September: 1-0 with a 0.00 ERA in 7 IP, .714 WHIP, .091 BAA and 0.382 OPS, 7/3 K/BB.
So, atrocious August and damn fine September.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on August 04, 2009, 02:07:29 AM
His numbers after he gave up the 3-run bomb to Ward were pretty bad. That was pretty much a year ago. I thought his poor numbers to end the season were talked about enough when we first signed him (I recall Andy mentioning this) that you guys would have known.
Gregg didn't pitch well in Aug/Sept last season. Just sayin.
Not really. After the Ward home run, he had 17 appearances and 14 of them were scoreless. What made his numbers look bad are two back-to-back appearances where he gave up four runs each. Those two games happened, so I won't do the whole "if you remove those two games, his ERA was ..." thing, but his so-called meltdown was basically limited to two days. Maybe he didn't have his stuff those days, maybe his arm was dead, maybe he just threw a few bad pitches. I'd be more inclined to agree with you if Gregg was giving up a run every other time he took the mound, but that wasn't the case.
So, Gregg actually pitched pretty well in Aug/Sept last season. Just sayin.
Quote from: Eli on August 04, 2009, 08:34:48 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on August 04, 2009, 02:07:29 AM
His numbers after he gave up the 3-run bomb to Ward were pretty bad. That was pretty much a year ago. I thought his poor numbers to end the season were talked about enough when we first signed him (I recall Andy mentioning this) that you guys would have known.
Gregg didn't pitch well in Aug/Sept last season. Just sayin.
Not really. After the Ward home run, he had 17 appearances and 14 of them were scoreless. What made his numbers look bad are two back-to-back appearances where he gave up four runs each. Those two games happened, so I won't do the whole "if you remove those two games, his ERA was ..." thing, but his so-called meltdown was basically limited to two days. Maybe he didn't have his stuff those days, maybe his arm was dead, maybe he just threw a few bad pitches. I'd be more inclined to agree with you if Gregg was giving up a run every other time he took the mound, but that wasn't the case.
So, Gregg actually pitched pretty well in Aug/Sept last season. Just sayin.
Also, it's hard to see the eerie similarities between last August and September and THIS August and September since it's only August 4th.
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Quote from: Eli on August 04, 2009, 08:34:48 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on August 04, 2009, 02:07:29 AM
His numbers after he gave up the 3-run bomb to Ward were pretty bad. That was pretty much a year ago. I thought his poor numbers to end the season were talked about enough when we first signed him (I recall Andy mentioning this) that you guys would have known.
Gregg didn't pitch well in Aug/Sept last season. Just sayin.
Not really. After the Ward home run, he had 17 appearances and 14 of them were scoreless. What made his numbers look bad are two back-to-back appearances where he gave up four runs each. Those two games happened, so I won't do the whole "if you remove those two games, his ERA was ..." thing, but his so-called meltdown was basically limited to two days. Maybe he didn't have his stuff those days, maybe his arm was dead, maybe he just threw a few bad pitches. I'd be more inclined to agree with you if Gregg was giving up a run every other time he took the mound, but that wasn't the case.
So, Gregg actually pitched pretty well in Aug/Sept last season. Just sayin.
Also, it's hard to see the eerie similarities between last August and September and THIS August and September since it's only August 4th.
And since we're talking about the Marlins too, not the Cubs.
It is obvious that the Cubs organization should just write "September" on a piece of paper and tape it over "August" on all the calendars Kevin Gregg could possibly see... Then do the same thing, but for the whole team, once it turns to October.
Quote from: BC on August 04, 2009, 06:19:24 PM
It is obvious that the Cubs organization should just write "September" on a piece of paper and tape it over "August" on all the calendars Kevin Gregg could possibly see... Then do the same thing, but for the whole team, once it turns to October.
Intrepid Reader: Herschel Shmoikel Pinchas Yerucham KrustofskiHey, Hey!
Quote from: BC on August 04, 2009, 06:19:24 PM
It is obvious that the Cubs organization should just write "September" on a piece of paper and tape it over "August" on all the calendars Kevin Gregg could possibly see... Then do the same thing, but for the whole team, once it turns to October.
http://www.desipio.com/?p=833
What did you buy Derrek Lee for Christmas?A calendar that goes, January, February, March, June, June, June, July, August, June, June, November, December.
Quote from: Ivy6 on August 04, 2009, 06:42:35 PM
Quote from: BC on August 04, 2009, 06:19:24 PM
It is obvious that the Cubs organization should just write "September" on a piece of paper and tape it over "August" on all the calendars Kevin Gregg could possibly see... Then do the same thing, but for the whole team, once it turns to October.
http://www.desipio.com/?p=833
What did you buy Derrek Lee for Christmas?
A calendar that goes, January, February, March, June, June, June, July, August, June, June, November, December.
So you're saying Dolan's jokes are as good as BC's?
Quote from: Eli on August 04, 2009, 07:10:02 PM
So you're saying Dolan's jokes are as good as BC's?
Since this is Desipio, at least one of the people you mentioned is a no-talent hack. But enough about me...
Quote from: BC on August 05, 2009, 12:07:26 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 04, 2009, 07:10:02 PM
So you're saying Dolan's jokes are as good as BC's?
Since this is Desipio, at least one of the people you mentioned is a no-talent hack. But enough about me...
Ahem.
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on August 05, 2009, 12:17:09 AM
Quote from: BC on August 05, 2009, 12:07:26 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 04, 2009, 07:10:02 PM
So you're saying Dolan's jokes are as good as BC's?
Since this is Desipio, at least one of the people you mentioned is a no-talent hack. But enough about me...
Ahem.
Isn't admitting a problem the first step to solving it?
Quote from: BC on August 05, 2009, 12:22:02 AM
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on August 05, 2009, 12:17:09 AM
Quote from: BC on August 05, 2009, 12:07:26 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 04, 2009, 07:10:02 PM
So you're saying Dolan's jokes are as good as BC's?
Since this is Desipio, at least one of the people you mentioned is a no-talent hack. But enough about me...
Ahem.
Isn't admitting a problem the first step to solving it?
Not even Chuck could hope to match the highly concentrated terribleness that you've posted in the last 12 hours or so.
Quote from: RV on August 05, 2009, 07:30:55 AM
Quote from: BC on August 05, 2009, 12:22:02 AM
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on August 05, 2009, 12:17:09 AM
Quote from: BC on August 05, 2009, 12:07:26 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 04, 2009, 07:10:02 PM
So you're saying Dolan's jokes are as good as BC's?
Since this is Desipio, at least one of the people you mentioned is a no-talent hack. But enough about me...
Ahem.
Isn't admitting a problem the first step to solving it?
Not even Chuck could hope to match the highly concentrated terribleness that you've posted in the last 12 hours or so.
Take it easy on ol' BC. He was obviously up all night on a Yoohoo bender.
Is it that hard to throw a strike you fucking goofball?
Apparently so.
I'm sure our genius pitching coach will fix that. I mean it's not like Marmol has ever had control problems before. I'm sure if he had Larry would have addressed it by now...
Jesus Christ, bunch of fucking blind guys umpiring this game tonight.
I liked it when Lou took out Harden to face 8,9 and 1 with 87 pitches on a cool night. Then, I liked how he relied on Marmol to get through the inning and waited until Utley had walked and Howard was at the plate to get Grabass throwing in the pen.
Nice job, Lou.
Two fucking hitter and they're behind. Fuck me.
Not having Grabow ready to face those lefties after Marmol walked the leadoff hitter was Dusty Bevington School of Baseball Clown College yearbook inscription material.
"Dear Cubs Fan,
Oops. LOL!!!
Love, Lou."
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 11, 2009, 10:17:01 PM
Not having Grabow ready to face those lefties after Marmol walked the leadoff hitter was Dusty Bevington School of Baseball Clown College yearbook inscription material.
"Dear Cubs Fan,
Oops. LOL!!!
Love, Lou."
This.
Un-fucking-believable. No excuse for not having Grabow ready for the lefties.
I'm not sure how much more of this I can watch.
Quote from: Dave B on August 12, 2009, 08:23:19 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 11, 2009, 10:17:01 PM
Not having Grabow ready to face those lefties after Marmol walked the leadoff hitter was Dusty Bevington School of Baseball Clown College yearbook inscription material.
"Dear Cubs Fan,
Oops. LOL!!!
Love, Lou."
This.
Un-fucking-believable. No excuse for not having Grabow ready for the lefties.
I'm not sure how much more of this I can watch.
You know goddamn well you'll watch it all.
I will admit that I'm not as angry at these ridiculous losses as I have been in years past. Maybe I'm just getting older. Or looking forward to hockey season.
Quote from: Dave B on August 12, 2009, 08:54:49 AM
I will admit that I'm not as angry at these ridiculous losses as I have been in years past. Maybe I'm just getting older. Or looking forward to hockey season.
You've become a known pussy.
Stop inciting me. Or is it "enticing"?
I'm not sure if there's been any talk of it, but it considering the state of this pitching staff, it might be worth it for the Cubs to pay John Smoltz the minimum to come in and work out of the bullpen after he's released by the Red Sox.
Quote from: Weebs on August 12, 2009, 12:04:54 PM
I'm not sure if there's been any talk of it, but it considering the state of this pitching staff, it might be worth it for the Cubs to pay John Smoltz the minimum to come in and work out of the bullpen after he's released by the Red Sox.
I can tell you why there's been no talk of it.
Quote from: Weebs on August 12, 2009, 12:04:54 PM
I'm not sure if there's been any talk of it, but it considering the state of this pitching staff, it might be worth it for the Cubs to pay John Smoltz the minimum to come in and work out of the bullpen after he's released by the Red Sox.
This makes a ton of sense, seeing how great he was in Boston.
Maybe the Cubs should go after Glavine too, that guy seemed to have a ton left in the tank.
Quote from: Slak on August 12, 2009, 12:07:58 PM
Quote from: Weebs on August 12, 2009, 12:04:54 PM
I'm not sure if there's been any talk of it, but it considering the state of this pitching staff, it might be worth it for the Cubs to pay John Smoltz the minimum to come in and work out of the bullpen after he's released by the Red Sox.
I can tell you why there's been no talk of it.
Well exuuuse me, Judge Reinhold.
Quote from: Weebs on August 12, 2009, 12:15:52 PM
Quote from: Slak on August 12, 2009, 12:07:58 PM
Quote from: Weebs on August 12, 2009, 12:04:54 PM
I'm not sure if there's been any talk of it, but it considering the state of this pitching staff, it might be worth it for the Cubs to pay John Smoltz the minimum to come in and work out of the bullpen after he's released by the Red Sox.
I can tell you why there's been no talk of it.
Well exuuuse me, Judge Reinhold.
What could Smoltz do that David Patton couldn't?
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 12, 2009, 12:22:11 PM
Quote from: Weebs on August 12, 2009, 12:15:52 PM
Quote from: Slak on August 12, 2009, 12:07:58 PM
Quote from: Weebs on August 12, 2009, 12:04:54 PM
I'm not sure if there's been any talk of it, but it considering the state of this pitching staff, it might be worth it for the Cubs to pay John Smoltz the minimum to come in and work out of the bullpen after he's released by the Red Sox.
I can tell you why there's been no talk of it.
Well exuuuse me, Judge Reinhold.
What could Smoltz do that David Patton couldn't?
Grow facial hair.
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 12, 2009, 12:22:11 PM
Quote from: Weebs on August 12, 2009, 12:15:52 PM
Quote from: Slak on August 12, 2009, 12:07:58 PM
Quote from: Weebs on August 12, 2009, 12:04:54 PM
I'm not sure if there's been any talk of it, but it considering the state of this pitching staff, it might be worth it for the Cubs to pay John Smoltz the minimum to come in and work out of the bullpen after he's released by the Red Sox.
I can tell you why there's been no talk of it.
Well exuuuse me, Judge Reinhold.
What could Smoltz do that David Patton couldn't?
Patton's still on the team?
Quote from: fiveouts on August 12, 2009, 12:23:30 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 12, 2009, 12:22:11 PM
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Quote from: Weebs on August 12, 2009, 12:04:54 PM
I'm not sure if there's been any talk of it, but it considering the state of this pitching staff, it might be worth it for the Cubs to pay John Smoltz the minimum to come in and work out of the bullpen after he's released by the Red Sox.
I can tell you why there's been no talk of it.
Well exuuuse me, Judge Reinhold.
What could Smoltz do that David Patton couldn't?
Grow facial hair.
Spend time in the sun without SPF 850.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 12, 2009, 12:28:41 PM
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Quote from: Weebs on August 12, 2009, 12:04:54 PM
I'm not sure if there's been any talk of it, but it considering the state of this pitching staff, it might be worth it for the Cubs to pay John Smoltz the minimum to come in and work out of the bullpen after he's released by the Red Sox.
I can tell you why there's been no talk of it.
Well exuuuse me, Judge Reinhold.
What could Smoltz do that David Patton couldn't?
Grow facial hair.
Spend time in the sun without SPF 850.
How about we just make a "David Patton can..." thread and stop ruining this one?
Quote from: Weebs on August 12, 2009, 12:29:38 PM
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I'm not sure if there's been any talk of it, but it considering the state of this pitching staff, it might be worth it for the Cubs to pay John Smoltz the minimum to come in and work out of the bullpen after he's released by the Red Sox.
I can tell you why there's been no talk of it.
Well exuuuse me, Judge Reinhold.
What could Smoltz do that David Patton couldn't?
Grow facial hair.
Spend time in the sun without SPF 850.
How about we just make a "David Patton can..." thread and stop ruining this one?
New here?
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Quote from: Weebs on August 12, 2009, 12:04:54 PM
I'm not sure if there's been any talk of it, but it considering the state of this pitching staff, it might be worth it for the Cubs to pay John Smoltz the minimum to come in and work out of the bullpen after he's released by the Red Sox.
I can tell you why there's been no talk of it.
Well exuuuse me, Judge Reinhold.
What could Smoltz do that David Patton couldn't?
Grow facial hair.
Spend time in the sun without SPF 850.
How about we just make a "David Patton can..." thread and stop ruining this one?
Yeah, cuz this thread's been a thing of beauty and a barrel of fucking laughs from Jump St.
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 12, 2009, 12:31:57 PM
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Quote from: Weebs on August 12, 2009, 12:04:54 PM
I'm not sure if there's been any talk of it, but it considering the state of this pitching staff, it might be worth it for the Cubs to pay John Smoltz the minimum to come in and work out of the bullpen after he's released by the Red Sox.
I can tell you why there's been no talk of it.
Well exuuuse me, Judge Reinhold.
What could Smoltz do that David Patton couldn't?
Grow facial hair.
Spend time in the sun without SPF 850.
How about we just make a "David Patton can..." thread and stop ruining this one?
Yeah, cuz this thread's been a thing of beauty and a barrel of fucking laughs from Jump St.
I'd just like to point out that your signature is WRONG. Culpepper to Moss. Fin.
Quote from: Weebs on August 12, 2009, 12:34:30 PM
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Quote from: Slak on August 12, 2009, 12:07:58 PM
Quote from: Weebs on August 12, 2009, 12:04:54 PM
I'm not sure if there's been any talk of it, but it considering the state of this pitching staff, it might be worth it for the Cubs to pay John Smoltz the minimum to come in and work out of the bullpen after he's released by the Red Sox.
I can tell you why there's been no talk of it.
Well exuuuse me, Judge Reinhold.
What could Smoltz do that David Patton couldn't?
Grow facial hair.
Spend time in the sun without SPF 850.
How about we just make a "David Patton can..." thread and stop ruining this one?
Yeah, cuz this thread's been a thing of beauty and a barrel of fucking laughs from Jump St.
I'd just like to point out that your signature is WRONG. Culpepper to Moss. Fin.
Bullshit. Culpepper had physical gifts, namely a cannon for an arm. Who did Moss turn into Joe Montana while he was on Oakland? Oh that's right.
Quote from: Slak on August 12, 2009, 12:41:22 PM
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Quote from: Slak on August 12, 2009, 12:07:58 PM
Quote from: Weebs on August 12, 2009, 12:04:54 PM
I'm not sure if there's been any talk of it, but it considering the state of this pitching staff, it might be worth it for the Cubs to pay John Smoltz the minimum to come in and work out of the bullpen after he's released by the Red Sox.
I can tell you why there's been no talk of it.
Well exuuuse me, Judge Reinhold.
What could Smoltz do that David Patton couldn't?
Grow facial hair.
Spend time in the sun without SPF 850.
How about we just make a "David Patton can..." thread and stop ruining this one?
Yeah, cuz this thread's been a thing of beauty and a barrel of fucking laughs from Jump St.
I'd just like to point out that your signature is WRONG. Culpepper to Moss. Fin.
Bullshit. Culpepper had physical gifts, namely a cannon for an arm. Who did Moss turn into Joe Montana while he was on Oakland? Oh that's right.
Moss didn't give a shit when he was in Oakland. He's a selfish prick, there's no doubt about that, but he was also the reason Culpepper could use that arm to throw the ball 80 yards downfield to a guy who could leap up above anyone that was covering him. Hell, he even gave Kerry Collins 1000 yards and 8 TDs on a shitty Raiders team before calling it quits in 2006 so he could get out of there. Hell, Moss is the one who made Tom Brady a good regular season QB and gave him one of the best seasons anyone has ever seen.
That's right-- he took Tom Brady from a 3x Super Bowl Champion averaging 3750 yards and 26 TDs per season to a statistical anomaly with no ring.
And for the record- no one's arguing that WRs can't make a QB better, but rather that a great QB will elevate mediocre WRs more than great WRs will for a mediocre QB.
Quote from: Ivy6 on August 12, 2009, 01:01:41 PM
That's right-- he took Tom Brady from a 3x Super Bowl Champion averaging 3750 yards and 26 TDs per season to a statistical anomaly with no ring.
And for the record- no one's arguing that WRs can't make a QB better, but rather that a great QB will elevate mediocre WRs more than great WRs will for a mediocre QB.
I was making a point about Apex's signature, that states a WR has never in history made a QB great. I am 100% in agreement that the great QB will make the WR better. But someone like Moss, who is far and away one of the most amazing talents that position has ever seen, can turn a QB from good to great.
Quote from: Weebs on August 12, 2009, 12:55:21 PM
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Quote from: Weebs on August 12, 2009, 12:04:54 PM
I'm not sure if there's been any talk of it, but it considering the state of this pitching staff, it might be worth it for the Cubs to pay John Smoltz the minimum to come in and work out of the bullpen after he's released by the Red Sox.
I can tell you why there's been no talk of it.
Well exuuuse me, Judge Reinhold.
What could Smoltz do that David Patton couldn't?
Grow facial hair.
Spend time in the sun without SPF 850.
How about we just make a "David Patton can..." thread and stop ruining this one?
Yeah, cuz this thread's been a thing of beauty and a barrel of fucking laughs from Jump St.
I'd just like to point out that your signature is WRONG. Culpepper to Moss. Fin.
Bullshit. Culpepper had physical gifts, namely a cannon for an arm. Who did Moss turn into Joe Montana while he was on Oakland? Oh that's right.
Moss didn't give a shit when he was in Oakland. He's a selfish prick, there's no doubt about that, but he was also the reason Culpepper could use that arm to throw the ball 80 yards downfield to a guy who could leap up above anyone that was covering him. Hell, he even gave Kerry Collins 1000 yards and 8 TDs on a shitty Raiders team before calling it quits in 2006 so he could get out of there. Hell, Moss is the one who made Tom Brady a good regular season QB and gave him one of the best seasons anyone has ever seen.
One thousand yards! Is that a record? Kerry Collins is more than serviceable.
Quote from: Ivy6 on August 12, 2009, 01:01:41 PM
That's right-- he took Tom Brady from a 3x Super Bowl Champion averaging 3750 yards and 26 TDs per season to a statistical anomaly with no ring.
And for the record- no one's arguing that WRs can't make a QB better, but rather that a great QB will elevate mediocre WRs more than great WRs will for a mediocre QB.
Danny White.
Steve Young.
Guh.
But at least Marmol didn't walk anybody?
Fuck Kevin Gregg. Hard. Fuck him. Fuck him. Fuck him.
Quote from: fiveouts on August 17, 2009, 11:53:44 PM
Fuck Kevin Gregg. Hard. Fuck him. Fuck him. Fuck him.
Meh. He's just doing his part to help cement the MEP plans.
-30-
Nice job by Gregg to piss all over one of the best-pitched games of the year.
I haven't taken this season as badly as 2004, but I certainly am getting that sick 2004 feeling about this year's team right about now.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on August 17, 2009, 11:56:53 PM
Nice job by Gregg to piss all over one of the best-pitched games of the year.
Hey, he pisses away the poorly-pitched ones too. At least he's consistent.
And he's all ours for another year. Don't you just love it?
I'm now on board with the Kevin Gregg Hate. Any time you walk that liver-deficient albino Eckstein, you deserve a steel tip kick to the dick.
What made it even better was listening to Santo moan the whole goddamn inning after the walk. I was hoping Gregg would make him shut his damn mouth, but Ron Santo was fucking right...
If Lou doesn't channel Hal MacRae after this one it's never gonna happen.
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 17, 2009, 11:58:09 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on August 17, 2009, 11:56:53 PM
Nice job by Gregg to piss all over one of the best-pitched games of the year.
Hey, he pisses away the poorly-pitched ones too. At least he's consistent.
And he's all ours for another year. Don't you just love it?
He's a Free Agent at the end of the year, I believe.
Quote from: fiveouts on August 18, 2009, 12:00:52 AM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 17, 2009, 11:58:09 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on August 17, 2009, 11:56:53 PM
Nice job by Gregg to piss all over one of the best-pitched games of the year.
Hey, he pisses away the poorly-pitched ones too. At least he's consistent.
And he's all ours for another year. Don't you just love it?
He's a Free Agent at the end of the year, I believe.
I thought Hendry gave that cumstain a two-year deal
That was the Robin to Gregg's Batman of Suck, Aaron Miles.
So we've got that going for us.
I didn't think it was possible but I hate this motherfucking pussy more than I hated LaTroy and Goose Fucking Gossage.
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 12:00:28 AM
If Lou doesn't channel Hal MacRae after this one it's never gonna happen.
Who cares if it happens or not? Hal McRae's a butthole and throwing shit off the desk isn't going to change this team's fortunes.
Quote from: MAD on August 18, 2009, 12:09:39 AM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 12:00:28 AM
If Lou doesn't channel Hal MacRae after this one it's never gonna happen.
Who cares if it happens or not? Hal McRae's a butthole and throwing shit off the desk isn't going to change this team's fortunes.
I know. I'm just surprised he hasn't gone off yet.
The guys at Wikipedia are having a hell of a time cleaning up Gregg's wikipedia page right now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Gregg
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 12:31:51 AM
The guys at Wikipedia are having a hell of a time cleaning up Gregg's wikipedia page right now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Gregg
I got a few jabs in while I could.
Quote from: StewiesBandwagon on August 18, 2009, 12:43:42 AM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 12:31:51 AM
The guys at Wikipedia are having a hell of a time cleaning up Gregg's wikipedia page right now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Gregg
I got a few jabs in while I could.
Some are more clever than others...
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kevin_Gregg&diff=308625387&oldid=308625194
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kevin_Gregg&diff=308625731&oldid=308625685
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kevin_Gregg&diff=308628052&oldid=308627900
Gregg finally loses his job:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-18-cubs-padres-chicago-aug18,0,2154939.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-18-cubs-padres-chicago-aug18,0,2154939.story)
SAN DIEGO - Lou Piniella has finally seen enough.
After Kevin Gregg gave up four two-out runs in the ninth inning in a 4-1 loss to the Padres on Monday night, Piniella said he plans on removing Gregg from the closer's role.
"I think we're going to make some changes as far as what we're going to do in late innings," Piniella said. "We'll have some more tomorrow."
Piniella didn't say who would be his new closer, though Carlos Marmol and Angel Guzman are considered the likeliest candidates.
Gregg blew his sixth save of the year and third in August, giving up a tying double to Chase Headley, and, after an intentional walk, a three-run homer to Kyle Banks. It was about as tough a loss as the Cubs have suffered.
Classic Kevin Gregg instantaneous pants shitting.
Fuck you Kevin Gregg.
Do we hate Gregg more for blowing another game, or for giving Kaplan a reason to feel smug?
I was semi-defending Gregg for a while, but now? Have at it.
When I went to sleep, it was 1-0 Cubs. Got up this morning and saw the 4-1 final. Said "Fuck me", but no one was around. I hate baseball.
I haven't caught up yet this morning, but I sure hope elsewhere on the board the completely shitty offense is also being discussed.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 18, 2009, 08:31:53 AM
I haven't caught up yet this morning, but I sure hope elsewhere on the board the completely shitty offense is also being discussed.
This offense couldn't hit its way out of a Jerry Springer taping. There, ya happy?
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 18, 2009, 08:31:53 AM
I haven't caught up yet this morning, but I sure hope elsewhere on the board the completely shitty offense is also being discussed.
It's not. It's all Kevin Gregg hate. What a waste. We have more hate than Kevin Gregg deserves. Directing a large portion of it at Milton Bradley, Aaron Miles and Mike Fontenot would we a decent form of release.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 08:38:00 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 18, 2009, 08:31:53 AM
I haven't caught up yet this morning, but I sure hope elsewhere on the board the completely shitty offense is also being discussed.
It's not. It's all Kevin Gregg hate. What a waste. We have more hate than Kevin Gregg deserves. Directing a large portion of it at Milton Bradley, Aaron Miles and Mike Fontenot would we a decent form of release.
When do we start hating on the GM who signed these three fuck-ups to begin with?
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 08:54:36 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 08:38:00 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 18, 2009, 08:31:53 AM
I haven't caught up yet this morning, but I sure hope elsewhere on the board the completely shitty offense is also being discussed.
It's not. It's all Kevin Gregg hate. What a waste. We have more hate than Kevin Gregg deserves. Directing a large portion of it at Milton Bradley, Aaron Miles and Mike Fontenot would we a decent form of release.
When do we start hating on the GM who signed these three fuck-ups to begin with?
Three years ago.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 08:58:08 AM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 08:54:36 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 08:38:00 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 18, 2009, 08:31:53 AM
I haven't caught up yet this morning, but I sure hope elsewhere on the board the completely shitty offense is also being discussed.
It's not. It's all Kevin Gregg hate. What a waste. We have more hate than Kevin Gregg deserves. Directing a large portion of it at Milton Bradley, Aaron Miles and Mike Fontenot would we a decent form of release.
When do we start hating on the GM who signed these three fuck-ups to begin with?
Three years ago.
I wonder how many versions of InternetChuck "vindication" we'll get to read the next couple months. I can't wait to find out!
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 08:38:00 AM
Directing a large portion of it at Milton Bradley, Aaron Miles and Mike Fontenot would we a decent form of release.
One of these things is not like the other.
Besides height. And skin color.
Uh, what I mean is, is that, you know, Milton Bradley is actually pretty good at baseball.
Quote from: R-V on August 18, 2009, 09:10:03 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 08:58:08 AM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 08:54:36 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 08:38:00 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 18, 2009, 08:31:53 AM
I haven't caught up yet this morning, but I sure hope elsewhere on the board the completely shitty offense is also being discussed.
It's not. It's all Kevin Gregg hate. What a waste. We have more hate than Kevin Gregg deserves. Directing a large portion of it at Milton Bradley, Aaron Miles and Mike Fontenot would we a decent form of release.
When do we start hating on the GM who signed these three fuck-ups to begin with?
Three years ago.
I wonder how many versions of InternetChuck "vindication" we'll get to read the next couple months. I can't wait to find out!
Let me know where you see them. I'm gonna start a scrapbook.
Quote from: Eli on August 18, 2009, 09:12:31 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 08:38:00 AM
Directing a large portion of it at Milton Bradley, Aaron Miles and Mike Fontenot would we a decent form of release.
One of these things is not like the other.
Besides height. And skin color.
Uh, what I mean is, is that, you know, Milton Bradley is actually pretty good at baseball.
Yeah, well how many times did we see how "good" he was at baseball this season.
Fuck Milton Bradley. This season was fucked from the time Hendry signed him. Any of the other options (Abreu, Dunn, Ibanez in alphabetical order) would have been better. Bradley was a bust from SpringTraining when he got hurt in the first game.
I'm sure you're defending him because of his high OBP. Big fuckin' deal. We should've seen it coming when he got ejected from a game argiung a strike call. Instead of swinging at a close pitch with a 3-1 count and the bases loaded to drive in runs, he'd rather spin in and take a walk. I saw it too many times this year. More concerned about drawing a walk. It did wonders for his batting average and RBI, didn't it?
You want to see "pretty good at baseball"? Take a look at Ibanez and Abreu's numbers, and where their teams are in the standings. Then look at all of the shit we had to put up with Bradley this season and where the Cubs are.
Quote from: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 09:32:35 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 18, 2009, 09:12:31 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 08:38:00 AM
Directing a large portion of it at Milton Bradley, Aaron Miles and Mike Fontenot would we a decent form of release.
One of these things is not like the other.
Besides height. And skin color.
Uh, what I mean is, is that, you know, Milton Bradley is actually pretty good at baseball.
Yeah, well how many times did we see how "good" he was at baseball this season.
Fuck Milton Bradley. This season was fucked from the time Hendry signed him. Any of the other options (Abreu, Dunn, Ibanez in alphabetical order) would have been better. Bradley was a bust from SpringTraining when he got hurt in the first game.
I'm sure you're defending him because of his high OBP. Big fuckin' deal. We should've seen it coming when he got ejected from a game argiung a strike call. Instead of swinging at a close pitch with a 3-1 count and the bases loaded to drive in runs, he'd rather spin in and take a walk. I saw it too many times this year. More concerned about drawing a walk. It did wonders for his batting average and RBI, didn't it?
You want to see "pretty good at baseball"? Take a look at Ibanez and Abreu's numbers, and where their teams are in the standings. Then look at all of the shit we had to put up with Bradley this season and where the Cubs are.
I really don't think it's fair to include Ibanez on the list of guys Hendry should have gotten over Bradley. Abreu is doing about what was expected of him, so there's an argument to be made there, but I highly doubt anyone saw this coming from Ibanez.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 18, 2009, 09:42:14 AM
Quote from: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 09:32:35 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 18, 2009, 09:12:31 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 08:38:00 AM
Directing a large portion of it at Milton Bradley, Aaron Miles and Mike Fontenot would we a decent form of release.
One of these things is not like the other.
Besides height. And skin color.
Uh, what I mean is, is that, you know, Milton Bradley is actually pretty good at baseball.
Yeah, well how many times did we see how "good" he was at baseball this season.
Fuck Milton Bradley. This season was fucked from the time Hendry signed him. Any of the other options (Abreu, Dunn, Ibanez in alphabetical order) would have been better. Bradley was a bust from SpringTraining when he got hurt in the first game.
I'm sure you're defending him because of his high OBP. Big fuckin' deal. We should've seen it coming when he got ejected from a game argiung a strike call. Instead of swinging at a close pitch with a 3-1 count and the bases loaded to drive in runs, he'd rather spin in and take a walk. I saw it too many times this year. More concerned about drawing a walk. It did wonders for his batting average and RBI, didn't it?
You want to see "pretty good at baseball"? Take a look at Ibanez and Abreu's numbers, and where their teams are in the standings. Then look at all of the shit we had to put up with Bradley this season and where the Cubs are.
I really don't think it's fair to include Ibanez on the list of guys Hendry should have gotten over Bradley. Abreu is doing about what was expected of him, so there's an argument to be made there, but I highly doubt anyone saw this coming from Ibanez.
Agreed. Dunn would still have been a good add, but he would, somehow, have made our outfield defense even worse than it is now. Ibanez is a decent hitter, but nobody could have expected this from him. Not to mention, he hasn't done much of anything since coming off the DL.
Quote from: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 09:32:35 AM
Instead of swinging at a close pitch with a 3-1 count and the bases loaded to drive in runs, he'd rather spin in and take a walk. I saw it too many times this year. More concerned about drawing a walk. It did wonders for his batting average and RBI, didn't it?
If you're at the plate with the bases loaded and a 3-1 count, you shouldn't be looking at "swing at anything close." A hitter should look for a ball in a certain spot and if the pitch isn't there, take it. A walk means an RBI in that spot. Swinging at "something close" usually results in an out.
And batting average? Who cares?
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 18, 2009, 09:42:14 AM
Quote from: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 09:32:35 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 18, 2009, 09:12:31 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 08:38:00 AM
Directing a large portion of it at Milton Bradley, Aaron Miles and Mike Fontenot would we a decent form of release.
One of these things is not like the other.
Besides height. And skin color.
Uh, what I mean is, is that, you know, Milton Bradley is actually pretty good at baseball.
Yeah, well how many times did we see how "good" he was at baseball this season.
Fuck Milton Bradley. This season was fucked from the time Hendry signed him. Any of the other options (Abreu, Dunn, Ibanez in alphabetical order) would have been better. Bradley was a bust from SpringTraining when he got hurt in the first game.
I'm sure you're defending him because of his high OBP. Big fuckin' deal. We should've seen it coming when he got ejected from a game argiung a strike call. Instead of swinging at a close pitch with a 3-1 count and the bases loaded to drive in runs, he'd rather spin in and take a walk. I saw it too many times this year. More concerned about drawing a walk. It did wonders for his batting average and RBI, didn't it?
You want to see "pretty good at baseball"? Take a look at Ibanez and Abreu's numbers, and where their teams are in the standings. Then look at all of the shit we had to put up with Bradley this season and where the Cubs are.
I really don't think it's fair to include Ibanez on the list of guys Hendry should have gotten over Bradley. Abreu is doing about what was expected of him, so there's an argument to be made there, but I highly doubt anyone saw this coming from Ibanez.
Probably his growth dealer saw it coming.
Quote from: Eli on August 18, 2009, 09:48:43 AM
Quote from: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 09:32:35 AM
Instead of swinging at a close pitch with a 3-1 count and the bases loaded to drive in runs, he'd rather spin in and take a walk. I saw it too many times this year. More concerned about drawing a walk. It did wonders for his batting average and RBI, didn't it?
If you're at the plate with the bases loaded and a 3-1 count, you shouldn't be looking at "swing at anything close." A hitter should look for a ball in a certain spot and if the pitch isn't there, take it. A walk means an RBI in that spot. Swinging at "something close" usually results in an out.
And batting average? Who cares?
Not to mention, it was Soriano and Theriot's combined .330 OBP at the top of the order that really destroyed any chance Milton had to drive in runs. The guy should have been looking to take a walk because the only other guy capable of hitting the baseball (Lee) was batting behind him for the first few months.
Quote from: Weebs on August 18, 2009, 09:48:31 AM
Agreed. Dunn would still have been a good add, but he would, somehow, have made our outfield defense even worse than it is now. Ibanez is a decent hitter, but nobody could have expected this from him. Not to mention, he hasn't done much of anything since coming off the DL.
How many times have people come on here screaming "We'd be in first place if we only had better outfield defense!"?
I'd gladly take Dunn's 30 HRs and live with his shit defense.
Quote from: Weebs on August 18, 2009, 09:50:52 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 18, 2009, 09:48:43 AM
Quote from: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 09:32:35 AM
Instead of swinging at a close pitch with a 3-1 count and the bases loaded to drive in runs, he'd rather spin in and take a walk. I saw it too many times this year. More concerned about drawing a walk. It did wonders for his batting average and RBI, didn't it?
If you're at the plate with the bases loaded and a 3-1 count, you shouldn't be looking at "swing at anything close." A hitter should look for a ball in a certain spot and if the pitch isn't there, take it. A walk means an RBI in that spot. Swinging at "something close" usually results in an out.
And batting average? Who cares?
Not to mention, it was Soriano and Theriot's combined .330 OBP at the top of the order that really destroyed any chance Milton had to drive in runs. The guy should have been looking to take a walk because the only other guy capable of hitting the baseball (Lee) was batting behind him for the first few months.
And it is Lou who continues to put Theriot at the top of the lineup. I know there is a lot of Lou love on the site, but dammit if he hasn't been at least part of the problem this year.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 18, 2009, 09:56:51 AM
Quote from: Weebs on August 18, 2009, 09:50:52 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 18, 2009, 09:48:43 AM
Quote from: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 09:32:35 AM
Instead of swinging at a close pitch with a 3-1 count and the bases loaded to drive in runs, he'd rather spin in and take a walk. I saw it too many times this year. More concerned about drawing a walk. It did wonders for his batting average and RBI, didn't it?
If you're at the plate with the bases loaded and a 3-1 count, you shouldn't be looking at "swing at anything close." A hitter should look for a ball in a certain spot and if the pitch isn't there, take it. A walk means an RBI in that spot. Swinging at "something close" usually results in an out.
And batting average? Who cares?
Not to mention, it was Soriano and Theriot's combined .330 OBP at the top of the order that really destroyed any chance Milton had to drive in runs. The guy should have been looking to take a walk because the only other guy capable of hitting the baseball (Lee) was batting behind him for the first few months.
And it is Lou who continues to put Theriot at the top of the lineup. I know there is a lot of Lou love on the site, but dammit if he hasn't been at least part of the problem this year.
I've hated Lou's in-game managing since he got here. He might be a great manager when they're not playing, but for those 9 innings, his only jobs are to create a lineup and manage the bench/bullpen. He has been terrible with the lineups, favors the righty/lefty matchup so much that Matt Murton was always coming in to pinch-hit with the game on the line, and Bob Howry/Aaron Heilman were never cut from the team. Obviously he's done something right, but there's no reason that Aaron Miles' ability to switch-hit should be enough of a reason for him to ever step foot on a baseball diamond.
Quote from: fiveouts on August 18, 2009, 09:51:34 AM
Quote from: Weebs on August 18, 2009, 09:48:31 AM
Agreed. Dunn would still have been a good add, but he would, somehow, have made our outfield defense even worse than it is now. Ibanez is a decent hitter, but nobody could have expected this from him. Not to mention, he hasn't done much of anything since coming off the DL.
How many times have people come on here screaming "We'd be in first place if we only had better outfield defense!"?
I'd gladly take Dunn's 30 HRs and live with his shit defense.
Adam Dunn can eat the corn kernels out of beef cattle shit.
I hear a former ace closer might be available today, having recently been released by the Red Sox.
Quote from: fiveouts on August 18, 2009, 09:51:34 AM
Quote from: Weebs on August 18, 2009, 09:48:31 AM
Agreed. Dunn would still have been a good add, but he would, somehow, have made our outfield defense even worse than it is now. Ibanez is a decent hitter, but nobody could have expected this from him. Not to mention, he hasn't done much of anything since coming off the DL.
How many times have people come on here screaming "We'd be in first place if we only had better outfield defense!"?
I'd gladly take Dunn's 30 HRs and live with his shit defense.
Agreed.
Plus the hilarity that would ensue watching him try to play right field might lighten the mood around here.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 18, 2009, 09:56:51 AM
Quote from: Weebs on August 18, 2009, 09:50:52 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 18, 2009, 09:48:43 AM
Quote from: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 09:32:35 AM
Instead of swinging at a close pitch with a 3-1 count and the bases loaded to drive in runs, he'd rather spin in and take a walk. I saw it too many times this year. More concerned about drawing a walk. It did wonders for his batting average and RBI, didn't it?
If you're at the plate with the bases loaded and a 3-1 count, you shouldn't be looking at "swing at anything close." A hitter should look for a ball in a certain spot and if the pitch isn't there, take it. A walk means an RBI in that spot. Swinging at "something close" usually results in an out.
And batting average? Who cares?
Not to mention, it was Soriano and Theriot's combined .330 OBP at the top of the order that really destroyed any chance Milton had to drive in runs. The guy should have been looking to take a walk because the only other guy capable of hitting the baseball (Lee) was batting behind him for the first few months.
And it is Lou who continues to put Theriot at the top of the lineup. I know there is a lot of Lou love on the site, but dammit if he hasn't been at least part of the problem this year.
In Lou's defense, it's not like he's got a ton of great options for the leadoff spot.
Or second base
Or shortstop
Quote from: Eli on August 18, 2009, 09:48:43 AM
Quote from: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 09:32:35 AM
Instead of swinging at a close pitch with a 3-1 count and the bases loaded to drive in runs, he'd rather spin in and take a walk. I saw it too many times this year. More concerned about drawing a walk. It did wonders for his batting average and RBI, didn't it?
If you're at the plate with the bases loaded and a 3-1 count, you shouldn't be looking at "swing at anything close." A hitter should look for a ball in a certain spot and if the pitch isn't there, take it. A walk means an RBI in that spot. Swinging at "something close" usually results in an out.
And batting average? Who cares?
At least Mark DeRosa had the guts to GIDP against Livan Hernandez in a similar situation.
Quote from: Eli on August 18, 2009, 09:48:43 AM
Quote from: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 09:32:35 AM
Instead of swinging at a close pitch with a 3-1 count and the bases loaded to drive in runs, he'd rather spin in and take a walk. I saw it too many times this year. More concerned about drawing a walk. It did wonders for his batting average and RBI, didn't it?
If you're at the plate with the bases loaded and a 3-1 count, you shouldn't be looking at "swing at anything close." A hitter should look for a ball in a certain spot and if the pitch isn't there, take it. A walk means an RBI in that spot. Swinging at "something close" usually results in an out.
And batting average? Who cares?
Yeah, and a single might mean two RBIs, a double 2-3 RBI, a triple 3 RBI, and a homer would knock in four. In that situation, not only is he gonna get a pretty decent pitch 3-1 (most of the time), but he was supposed to be a good enough hitter (and was placed in a sopt in the line-up) to drive in runs. The pitches that pissed off Bradley to the point of getting dumped were too close to be taking in that situation. Getting dumped and ultimately suspended while looking for a walk was pretty brilliant statistical strategy.
Dusty was stupid to say that walks clog up the bases, but Bradley is a hitter and needs to be driving in runs in that situation, and preferably not by walking.
And say what you want about batting average, but a base-hit will score a guy from second base and a walk won't. Swing the fucking bat in RBI situations. You don't get paid $10 million a year to walk.
Quote from: Eli on August 18, 2009, 09:48:43 AM
Quote from: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 09:32:35 AM
Instead of swinging at a close pitch with a 3-1 count and the bases loaded to drive in runs, he'd rather spin in and take a walk. I saw it too many times this year. More concerned about drawing a walk. It did wonders for his batting average and RBI, didn't it?
If you're at the plate with the bases loaded and a 3-1 count, you shouldn't be looking at "swing at anything close." A hitter should look for a ball in a certain spot and if the pitch isn't there, take it. A walk means an RBI in that spot. Swinging at "something close" usually results in an out.
And batting average? Who cares?
It's never going to happen Eli. Just let it go.
I don't know how you can hate on a guy for not swinging at a ball just to get his batting average and RBI numbers up. That makes zero sense.
But then again, maybe that's why Ryan Theriot has such a following. He'd happily roll a grounder to short when he's ahead in the count because it's scrappydoolicious.
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 10:11:16 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 18, 2009, 09:56:51 AM
Quote from: Weebs on August 18, 2009, 09:50:52 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 18, 2009, 09:48:43 AM
Quote from: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 09:32:35 AM
Instead of swinging at a close pitch with a 3-1 count and the bases loaded to drive in runs, he'd rather spin in and take a walk. I saw it too many times this year. More concerned about drawing a walk. It did wonders for his batting average and RBI, didn't it?
If you're at the plate with the bases loaded and a 3-1 count, you shouldn't be looking at "swing at anything close." A hitter should look for a ball in a certain spot and if the pitch isn't there, take it. A walk means an RBI in that spot. Swinging at "something close" usually results in an out.
And batting average? Who cares?
Not to mention, it was Soriano and Theriot's combined .330 OBP at the top of the order that really destroyed any chance Milton had to drive in runs. The guy should have been looking to take a walk because the only other guy capable of hitting the baseball (Lee) was batting behind him for the first few months.
And it is Lou who continues to put Theriot at the top of the lineup. I know there is a lot of Lou love on the site, but dammit if he hasn't been at least part of the problem this year.
In Lou's defense, it's not like he's got a ton of great options for the leadoff spot.
Or second base
Or shortstop
He has two far superior options at 1-2 in the lineup than Theriot and Soriano. I don't fault Lou for sticking with Gregg for so long, because I really don't feel like he has substantially better options in the bullpen. But he has stuck a 5-6 hitter and a 7-8 hitter (with the two worst OBPs of the guys who have played at least 80 games) at the top of his lineup for the better part of the year, and that's pretty inexcusable, in my opinion. No matter how much Theriot looks like a top-of-the-order guy, he just isn't.
Quote from: Slak on August 18, 2009, 10:23:34 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 18, 2009, 09:48:43 AM
Quote from: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 09:32:35 AM
Instead of swinging at a close pitch with a 3-1 count and the bases loaded to drive in runs, he'd rather spin in and take a walk. I saw it too many times this year. More concerned about drawing a walk. It did wonders for his batting average and RBI, didn't it?
If you're at the plate with the bases loaded and a 3-1 count, you shouldn't be looking at "swing at anything close." A hitter should look for a ball in a certain spot and if the pitch isn't there, take it. A walk means an RBI in that spot. Swinging at "something close" usually results in an out.
And batting average? Who cares?
It's never going to happen Eli. Just let it go.
I don't know how you can hate on a guy for not swinging at a ball just to get his batting average and RBI numbers up. That makes zero sense.
But then again, maybe that's why Ryan Theriot has such a following. He'd happily roll a grounder to short when he's ahead in the count because it's scrappydoolicious.
Way to twist it all around, and even bring Theriot into it. Good job at generalizing.
If you guys actually think Bradley had a good year, then I'd like to know what games you were watching.
My point was that Bradley's offense came nowhere close to meeting the expectations we or (hopefully) Hendry had when they chose to sign him. They were determined to get more "left-handed" at the plate and this is the option they chose. If you simply looked at his OBP over the years, it was pretty good. But when you actually watch all of the games and see that there are numerous occasions when he's more concerned with taking a walk in RBI situations, it gets frustrating. And how many games did he miss due to injury, or more importantly, for Lou taking him out of the line-up because he wasn't hitting? Top all of that off with being a selfish, brooding prick and you can have your guy who's "pretty good at baseball". I guarantee they got more out of the 500K they paid Theriot than the 10 million they paid Miltie.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 18, 2009, 10:32:26 AM
He has two far superior options at 1-2 in the lineup than Theriot and Soriano. I don't fault Lou for sticking with Gregg for so long, because I really don't feel like he has substantially better options in the bullpen. But he has stuck a 5-6 hitter and a 7-8 hitter (with the two worst OBPs of the guys who have played at least 80 games) at the top of his lineup for the better part of the year, and that's pretty inexcusable, in my opinion. No matter how much Theriot looks like a top-of-the-order guy, he just isn't.
In defense of his Soriano-at-leadoff play, Lou clearly believed that Soriano would be worse out of the leadoff spot than in it (for whatever reason). He did have a career OPS of .877 leading off which was his best OPS by batting slot. His career OPS is .837 and his next best OPS by batting slot was .819 batting 5th.
Do you risk giving up 50 points of OPS to move a guy down in the order? On a guy making as much money for as long as you are going to have him? Do you risk Soriano getting pissy? For 8 years?
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 10:09:35 AM
Quote from: fiveouts on August 18, 2009, 09:51:34 AM
Quote from: Weebs on August 18, 2009, 09:48:31 AM
Agreed. Dunn would still have been a good add, but he would, somehow, have made our outfield defense even worse than it is now. Ibanez is a decent hitter, but nobody could have expected this from him. Not to mention, he hasn't done much of anything since coming off the DL.
How many times have people come on here screaming "We'd be in first place if we only had better outfield defense!"?
I'd gladly take Dunn's 30 HRs and live with his shit defense.
Agreed.
Plus the hilarity that would ensue watching him try to play right field might lighten the mood around here.
Nah, you're doing a hell of a job lightening the mood all by yourself.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 10:52:04 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 18, 2009, 10:32:26 AM
He has two far superior options at 1-2 in the lineup than Theriot and Soriano. I don't fault Lou for sticking with Gregg for so long, because I really don't feel like he has substantially better options in the bullpen. But he has stuck a 5-6 hitter and a 7-8 hitter (with the two worst OBPs of the guys who have played at least 80 games) at the top of his lineup for the better part of the year, and that's pretty inexcusable, in my opinion. No matter how much Theriot looks like a top-of-the-order guy, he just isn't.
In defense of his Soriano-at-leadoff play, Lou clearly believed that Soriano would be worse out of the leadoff spot than in it (for whatever reason). He did have a career OPS of .877 leading off which was his best OPS by batting slot. His career OPS is .837 and his next best OPS by batting slot was .819 batting 5th.
Do you risk giving up 50 points of OPS to move a guy down in the order? On a guy making as much money for as long as you are going to have him? Do you risk Soriano getting pissy? For 8 years?
What would
I do? First, I'd be smart enough to realize that Soriano isn't going to change his approach no matter WHERE he hits in the lineup. Then, I would contemplate the fact that he is no longer a legitimate running threat on the bases. Nextly, I'd use that knowledge to put Soriano in the most appropriate lineup spot for a free-swinging, low-OBP power hitter. Penultimately, I would sit back and watch his numbers return to their statistical norm as he compiled more at-bats in that spot in the lineup. Finally, profit!
Quote from: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 10:50:51 AM
Quote from: Slak on August 18, 2009, 10:23:34 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 18, 2009, 09:48:43 AM
Quote from: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 09:32:35 AM
Instead of swinging at a close pitch with a 3-1 count and the bases loaded to drive in runs, he'd rather spin in and take a walk. I saw it too many times this year. More concerned about drawing a walk. It did wonders for his batting average and RBI, didn't it?
If you're at the plate with the bases loaded and a 3-1 count, you shouldn't be looking at "swing at anything close." A hitter should look for a ball in a certain spot and if the pitch isn't there, take it. A walk means an RBI in that spot. Swinging at "something close" usually results in an out.
And batting average? Who cares?
It's never going to happen Eli. Just let it go.
I don't know how you can hate on a guy for not swinging at a ball just to get his batting average and RBI numbers up. That makes zero sense.
But then again, maybe that's why Ryan Theriot has such a following. He'd happily roll a grounder to short when he's ahead in the count because it's scrappydoolicious.
Way to twist it all around, and even bring Theriot into it. Good job at generalizing.
If you guys actually think Bradley had a good year, then I'd like to know what games you were watching.
My point was that Bradley's offense came nowhere close to meeting the expectations we or (hopefully) Hendry had when they chose to sign him. They were determined to get more "left-handed" at the plate and this is the option they chose. If you simply looked at his OBP over the years, it was pretty good. But when you actually watch all of the games and see that there are numerous occasions when he's more concerned with taking a walk in RBI situations, it gets frustrating. And how many games did he miss due to injury, or more importantly, for Lou taking him out of the line-up because he wasn't hitting? Top all of that off with being a selfish, brooding prick and you can have your guy who's "pretty good at baseball". I guarantee they got more out of the 500K they paid Theriot than the 10 million they paid Miltie.
Would you classify Theriot's complete lack of awareness on the basepaths (and to a lesser extent in the field) as lazy/selfish/prickish?
Quote from: R-V on August 18, 2009, 11:00:45 AM
Quote from: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 10:50:51 AM
Quote from: Slak on August 18, 2009, 10:23:34 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 18, 2009, 09:48:43 AM
Quote from: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 09:32:35 AM
Instead of swinging at a close pitch with a 3-1 count and the bases loaded to drive in runs, he'd rather spin in and take a walk. I saw it too many times this year. More concerned about drawing a walk. It did wonders for his batting average and RBI, didn't it?
If you're at the plate with the bases loaded and a 3-1 count, you shouldn't be looking at "swing at anything close." A hitter should look for a ball in a certain spot and if the pitch isn't there, take it. A walk means an RBI in that spot. Swinging at "something close" usually results in an out.
And batting average? Who cares?
It's never going to happen Eli. Just let it go.
I don't know how you can hate on a guy for not swinging at a ball just to get his batting average and RBI numbers up. That makes zero sense.
But then again, maybe that's why Ryan Theriot has such a following. He'd happily roll a grounder to short when he's ahead in the count because it's scrappydoolicious.
Way to twist it all around, and even bring Theriot into it. Good job at generalizing.
If you guys actually think Bradley had a good year, then I'd like to know what games you were watching.
My point was that Bradley's offense came nowhere close to meeting the expectations we or (hopefully) Hendry had when they chose to sign him. They were determined to get more "left-handed" at the plate and this is the option they chose. If you simply looked at his OBP over the years, it was pretty good. But when you actually watch all of the games and see that there are numerous occasions when he's more concerned with taking a walk in RBI situations, it gets frustrating. And how many games did he miss due to injury, or more importantly, for Lou taking him out of the line-up because he wasn't hitting? Top all of that off with being a selfish, brooding prick and you can have your guy who's "pretty good at baseball". I guarantee they got more out of the 500K they paid Theriot than the 10 million they paid Miltie.
Would you classify Theriot's complete lack of awareness on the basepaths (and to a lesser extent in the field) as lazy/selfish/prickish?
I'd classify it as Jacque-ish.
Quote from: oog on August 18, 2009, 10:16:30 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 18, 2009, 09:48:43 AM
Quote from: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 09:32:35 AM
Instead of swinging at a close pitch with a 3-1 count and the bases loaded to drive in runs, he'd rather spin in and take a walk. I saw it too many times this year. More concerned about drawing a walk. It did wonders for his batting average and RBI, didn't it?
If you're at the plate with the bases loaded and a 3-1 count, you shouldn't be looking at "swing at anything close." A hitter should look for a ball in a certain spot and if the pitch isn't there, take it. A walk means an RBI in that spot. Swinging at "something close" usually results in an out.
And batting average? Who cares?
At least Mark DeRosa had the guts to GIDP against Livan Hernandez in a similar situation.
You may be just a simple caveman, but you're the tops in my book.
Scoff at OBP as an unsexy stat all you want, Dave, but one of Bradley's best assets has turned out to be his eye at the plate. He should continue to do what he's best at, as that's his best chance at success.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 18, 2009, 10:58:45 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 10:52:04 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 18, 2009, 10:32:26 AM
He has two far superior options at 1-2 in the lineup than Theriot and Soriano. I don't fault Lou for sticking with Gregg for so long, because I really don't feel like he has substantially better options in the bullpen. But he has stuck a 5-6 hitter and a 7-8 hitter (with the two worst OBPs of the guys who have played at least 80 games) at the top of his lineup for the better part of the year, and that's pretty inexcusable, in my opinion. No matter how much Theriot looks like a top-of-the-order guy, he just isn't.
In defense of his Soriano-at-leadoff play, Lou clearly believed that Soriano would be worse out of the leadoff spot than in it (for whatever reason). He did have a career OPS of .877 leading off which was his best OPS by batting slot. His career OPS is .837 and his next best OPS by batting slot was .819 batting 5th.
Do you risk giving up 50 points of OPS to move a guy down in the order? On a guy making as much money for as long as you are going to have him? Do you risk Soriano getting pissy? For 8 years?
What would I do? First, I'd be smart enough to realize that Soriano isn't going to change his approach no matter WHERE he hits in the lineup. Then, I would contemplate the fact that he is no longer a legitimate running threat on the bases. Nextly, I'd use that knowledge to put Soriano in the most appropriate lineup spot for a free-swinging, low-OBP power hitter. Penultimately, I would sit back and watch his numbers return to their statistical norm as he compiled more at-bats in that spot in the lineup. Finally, profit!
Yeah, because he's really piling up the numbers in the 6-spot as the season rolls along. Check out the the last 2-3 weeks.
And I never said OBP was unsexy. I'm just saying that a guy with the overall offensive numbers he had in the past few years didn't do that this year, at least as far as everything BUT OBP.
Quote from: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 11:12:12 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 18, 2009, 10:58:45 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 10:52:04 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 18, 2009, 10:32:26 AM
He has two far superior options at 1-2 in the lineup than Theriot and Soriano. I don't fault Lou for sticking with Gregg for so long, because I really don't feel like he has substantially better options in the bullpen. But he has stuck a 5-6 hitter and a 7-8 hitter (with the two worst OBPs of the guys who have played at least 80 games) at the top of his lineup for the better part of the year, and that's pretty inexcusable, in my opinion. No matter how much Theriot looks like a top-of-the-order guy, he just isn't.
In defense of his Soriano-at-leadoff play, Lou clearly believed that Soriano would be worse out of the leadoff spot than in it (for whatever reason). He did have a career OPS of .877 leading off which was his best OPS by batting slot. His career OPS is .837 and his next best OPS by batting slot was .819 batting 5th.
Do you risk giving up 50 points of OPS to move a guy down in the order? On a guy making as much money for as long as you are going to have him? Do you risk Soriano getting pissy? For 8 years?
What would I do? First, I'd be smart enough to realize that Soriano isn't going to change his approach no matter WHERE he hits in the lineup. Then, I would contemplate the fact that he is no longer a legitimate running threat on the bases. Nextly, I'd use that knowledge to put Soriano in the most appropriate lineup spot for a free-swinging, low-OBP power hitter. Penultimately, I would sit back and watch his numbers return to their statistical norm as he compiled more at-bats in that spot in the lineup. Finally, profit!
Yeah, because he's really piling up the numbers in the 6-spot as the season rolls along. Check out the the last 2-3 weeks.
And I never said OBP was unsexy. I'm just saying that a guy with the overall offensive numbers he had in the past few years didn't do that this year, at least as far as everything BUT OBP.
He's an unbelievably streaky hitter, which is exactly why I said that, given more at-bats in the middle of the order, I think his numbers will look more like his numbers in the leadoff spot.
I fail to understand the "he's not hitting better elsewhere, so he might as well be getting more at bats than anybody else on the team" argument.
Bradley by the numbers...
.263/.392/.394/.786, 104 OPS+ on the season (364 PA)
.310/.425/.425/.850, 126 OPS+ since the break (108 PA)
.326/.426/.413/.839, 118 OPS+ in August (56 PA)
.394/.459/.515/.975, 154 OPS+ in the 2 hole (38 PA)
And, for Dave in particular...
.429/.444/.571/1.016 in 9 PA with the bases loaded, for a 161 OPS+ versus the rest of the league in the same split.
At least Gregg understands the problem. As he stated in today's Tribune,
"It sucked," Gregg said. "I wasn't pitching. I went away from what I wanted to do, didn't executive my pitches and cost us the game."
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 18, 2009, 11:20:11 AM
He's an unbelievably streaky hitter, which is exactly why I said that, given more at-bats in the middle of the order, I think his numbers will look more like his numbers in the leadoff spot.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=soriaal01&year=Career&t=b#lineu
He has 2,197 plate appearances, the equivalent of nearly 3 and a half seasons, that say he bats worse elsewhere in the order compared to leadoff.
I think his non-leadoff numbers will look more like his non-leadoff numbers. I think Lou thought that as well.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 12:07:26 PM
I think his non-leadoff numbers will look more like his non-leadoff numbers. I think Lou thought that as well.
You just blew my mind.
Quote from: Canadouche on August 18, 2009, 10:06:44 AM
I hear a former ace closer might be available today, having recently been released by the Red Sox.
Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/978D5C02906FFDA9862576160014C824?OpenDocument) quotes a Cardinals official as saying the team has "very serious interest" in John Smoltz.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 12:07:26 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 18, 2009, 11:20:11 AM
He's an unbelievably streaky hitter, which is exactly why I said that, given more at-bats in the middle of the order, I think his numbers will look more like his numbers in the leadoff spot.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=soriaal01&year=Career&t=b#lineu
He has 2,197 plate appearances, the equivalent of nearly 3 and a half seasons, that say he bats worse elsewhere in the order compared to leadoff.
I think his non-leadoff numbers will look more like his non-leadoff numbers. I think Lou thought that as well.
A majority of those ABs came in 2004 and 2005.
In 2004, out of the 3 spot, he hit pretty close to his career norm, with a lower SLG%. He still hit 22 HR and drove in 76 RBI in only 116 games out of that spot.
In 2005, when he got 479 ABs hitting 5th, his numbers were right in line with his career numbers batting leadoff, except then he hit 30 HR and drove in 93 runs in 123 ABs.
The only other spot he's had a significant number of ABs is 8th and 9th, and that was during his rookie year in 2001. So basically you have a guy hitting almost the exact same down in the order as he does leading off, but then he's able to drive in more runs than he can in fewer games (and therefore ABs) leading off. The "Soriano hits better as a leadoff hitter" talk is as idiotic as Lou was for keeping him there.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 12:07:26 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 18, 2009, 11:20:11 AM
He's an unbelievably streaky hitter, which is exactly why I said that, given more at-bats in the middle of the order, I think his numbers will look more like his numbers in the leadoff spot.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=soriaal01&year=Career&t=b#lineu
He has 2,197 plate appearances, the equivalent of nearly 3 and a half seasons, that say he bats worse elsewhere in the order compared to leadoff.
I think his non-leadoff numbers will look more like his non-leadoff numbers. I think Lou thought that as well.
Oh, so we're just lumping the batting order into two categories? "Leadoff" and "non-leadoff"? That's...retarded.
I'm going to compile his stats in the odd-numbered spots in the lineup and compare them with his stats in the even-numbered spots and see how THOSE play out.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 18, 2009, 01:02:42 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 12:07:26 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 18, 2009, 11:20:11 AM
He's an unbelievably streaky hitter, which is exactly why I said that, given more at-bats in the middle of the order, I think his numbers will look more like his numbers in the leadoff spot.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=soriaal01&year=Career&t=b#lineu
He has 2,197 plate appearances, the equivalent of nearly 3 and a half seasons, that say he bats worse elsewhere in the order compared to leadoff.
I think his non-leadoff numbers will look more like his non-leadoff numbers. I think Lou thought that as well.
Oh, so we're just lumping the batting order into two categories? "Leadoff" and "non-leadoff"? That's...retarded.
I'm going to compile his stats in the odd-numbered spots in the lineup and compare them with his stats in the even-numbered spots and see how THOSE play out.
Guess who started it.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 01:06:22 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 18, 2009, 01:02:42 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 12:07:26 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 18, 2009, 11:20:11 AM
He's an unbelievably streaky hitter, which is exactly why I said that, given more at-bats in the middle of the order, I think his numbers will look more like his numbers in the leadoff spot.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=soriaal01&year=Career&t=b#lineu
He has 2,197 plate appearances, the equivalent of nearly 3 and a half seasons, that say he bats worse elsewhere in the order compared to leadoff.
I think his non-leadoff numbers will look more like his non-leadoff numbers. I think Lou thought that as well.
Oh, so we're just lumping the batting order into two categories? "Leadoff" and "non-leadoff"? That's...retarded.
I'm going to compile his stats in the odd-numbered spots in the lineup and compare them with his stats in the even-numbered spots and see how THOSE play out.
Guess who started it.
So, expecting his numbers in the 5th or 6th spot in the order to eventually look similar to his leadoff numbers is akin to saying that the 2-9 spots in the lineup are essentially the same thing? Have you ever made a good argument?
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 18, 2009, 01:11:22 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 01:06:22 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 18, 2009, 01:02:42 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 18, 2009, 12:07:26 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on August 18, 2009, 11:20:11 AM
He's an unbelievably streaky hitter, which is exactly why I said that, given more at-bats in the middle of the order, I think his numbers will look more like his numbers in the leadoff spot.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=soriaal01&year=Career&t=b#lineu
He has 2,197 plate appearances, the equivalent of nearly 3 and a half seasons, that say he bats worse elsewhere in the order compared to leadoff.
I think his non-leadoff numbers will look more like his non-leadoff numbers. I think Lou thought that as well.
Oh, so we're just lumping the batting order into two categories? "Leadoff" and "non-leadoff"? That's...retarded.
I'm going to compile his stats in the odd-numbered spots in the lineup and compare them with his stats in the even-numbered spots and see how THOSE play out.
Guess who started it.
So, expecting his numbers in the 5th or 6th spot in the order to eventually look similar to his leadoff numbers is akin to saying that the 2-9 spots in the lineup are essentially the same thing? Have you ever made a good argument?
Just when I thought talking about Kurt was the worst thing this message board had to offer.
Back to the bullpen: it's bad (http://www.anothercubsblog.net/index.php/site/comments/pen-fail/).
QuoteThe bullpen has averaged 7.98 K/9 IP. That's very good, and is the 7th-best number in the majors. Unfortunately, they are also posting a horrendous 5.07 BB/9 IP. That's beyond horrible. It's the worst number in the league and if they keep this pace up it'll be the worst BB/9 IP posted by a team since 2004, when the Arizona Diamondbacks also posted a 5.07 number in a season in which they went 51-111. Yikes. The high walk rate has essentially eliminated the value the Cubs gain from their high strikeout rate, as they have the 3rd-worst K/BB ratio in the league despite the relatively high K rate. Only the Nationals and Pirates are worse.
QuoteI'll add one a few more things about the pen as a whole... they're not missing the zone as often as you'd think: their zone% is 48.6%, which is below average but not abysmal like their walk rate. What's really dragging them down is their 1st-strike%, which is 2nd-worst and their swing%, which is the lowest in the league. Basically, teams know they can just sit with their bats on their shoulders and let Cubs relievers walk them.
QuoteThis will hammer home how poor the control on this team has been: of pitchers with at least 10 IP that are still on the team (i.e. including Patton but not Ascanio), Jeff Samardzija has the 3rd-lowest BB rate (4.44 BB/9 IP).
Quote from: R-V on August 18, 2009, 01:13:32 PM
Back to the bullpen: it's bad (http://www.anothercubsblog.net/index.php/site/comments/pen-fail/).
QuoteThe bullpen has averaged 7.98 K/9 IP. That's very good, and is the 7th-best number in the majors. Unfortunately, they are also posting a horrendous 5.07 BB/9 IP. That's beyond horrible. It's the worst number in the league and if they keep this pace up it'll be the worst BB/9 IP posted by a team since 2004, when the Arizona Diamondbacks also posted a 5.07 number in a season in which they went 51-111. Yikes. The high walk rate has essentially eliminated the value the Cubs gain from their high strikeout rate, as they have the 3rd-worst K/BB ratio in the league despite the relatively high K rate. Only the Nationals and Pirates are worse.
QuoteI'll add one a few more things about the pen as a whole... they're not missing the zone as often as you'd think: their zone% is 48.6%, which is below average but not abysmal like their walk rate. What's really dragging them down is their 1st-strike%, which is 2nd-worst and their swing%, which is the lowest in the league. Basically, teams know they can just sit with their bats on their shoulders and let Cubs relievers walk them.
QuoteThis will hammer home how poor the control on this team has been: of pitchers with at least 10 IP that are still on the team (i.e. including Patton but not Ascanio), Jeff Samardzija has the 3rd-lowest BB rate (4.44 BB/9 IP).
Yet Larry Rothschild still has a job. It's not like this is the first year a Cub staff has had a problem throwing strikes under Larry.
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 01:19:47 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 18, 2009, 01:13:32 PM
Back to the bullpen: it's bad (http://www.anothercubsblog.net/index.php/site/comments/pen-fail/).
QuoteThe bullpen has averaged 7.98 K/9 IP. That's very good, and is the 7th-best number in the majors. Unfortunately, they are also posting a horrendous 5.07 BB/9 IP. That's beyond horrible. It's the worst number in the league and if they keep this pace up it'll be the worst BB/9 IP posted by a team since 2004, when the Arizona Diamondbacks also posted a 5.07 number in a season in which they went 51-111. Yikes. The high walk rate has essentially eliminated the value the Cubs gain from their high strikeout rate, as they have the 3rd-worst K/BB ratio in the league despite the relatively high K rate. Only the Nationals and Pirates are worse.
QuoteI'll add one a few more things about the pen as a whole... they're not missing the zone as often as you'd think: their zone% is 48.6%, which is below average but not abysmal like their walk rate. What's really dragging them down is their 1st-strike%, which is 2nd-worst and their swing%, which is the lowest in the league. Basically, teams know they can just sit with their bats on their shoulders and let Cubs relievers walk them.
QuoteThis will hammer home how poor the control on this team has been: of pitchers with at least 10 IP that are still on the team (i.e. including Patton but not Ascanio), Jeff Samardzija has the 3rd-lowest BB rate (4.44 BB/9 IP).
Yet Larry Rothschild still has a job. It's not like this is the first year a Cub staff has had a problem throwing strikes under Larry.
Seriously, why can't Larry teach those professional pitchers to just throw more strikes?
Maybe if he could do that, the Cubs would be able to lead the majors in strikeouts for 8 consecutive seasons and be in the top 5 in pitching for 3 years running?
Oh...wait.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 18, 2009, 01:26:07 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 01:19:47 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 18, 2009, 01:13:32 PM
Back to the bullpen: it's bad (http://www.anothercubsblog.net/index.php/site/comments/pen-fail/).
QuoteThe bullpen has averaged 7.98 K/9 IP. That's very good, and is the 7th-best number in the majors. Unfortunately, they are also posting a horrendous 5.07 BB/9 IP. That's beyond horrible. It's the worst number in the league and if they keep this pace up it'll be the worst BB/9 IP posted by a team since 2004, when the Arizona Diamondbacks also posted a 5.07 number in a season in which they went 51-111. Yikes. The high walk rate has essentially eliminated the value the Cubs gain from their high strikeout rate, as they have the 3rd-worst K/BB ratio in the league despite the relatively high K rate. Only the Nationals and Pirates are worse.
QuoteI'll add one a few more things about the pen as a whole... they're not missing the zone as often as you'd think: their zone% is 48.6%, which is below average but not abysmal like their walk rate. What's really dragging them down is their 1st-strike%, which is 2nd-worst and their swing%, which is the lowest in the league. Basically, teams know they can just sit with their bats on their shoulders and let Cubs relievers walk them.
QuoteThis will hammer home how poor the control on this team has been: of pitchers with at least 10 IP that are still on the team (i.e. including Patton but not Ascanio), Jeff Samardzija has the 3rd-lowest BB rate (4.44 BB/9 IP).
Yet Larry Rothschild still has a job. It's not like this is the first year a Cub staff has had a problem throwing strikes under Larry.
Seriously, why can't Larry teach those professional pitchers to just throw more strikes?
Maybe if he could do that, the Cubs would be able to lead the majors in strikeouts for 8 consecutive seasons and be in the top 5 in pitching for 3 years running?
Oh...wait.
And that's led to how many NL titles?
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 01:29:13 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 18, 2009, 01:26:07 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 01:19:47 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 18, 2009, 01:13:32 PM
Back to the bullpen: it's bad (http://www.anothercubsblog.net/index.php/site/comments/pen-fail/).
QuoteThe bullpen has averaged 7.98 K/9 IP. That's very good, and is the 7th-best number in the majors. Unfortunately, they are also posting a horrendous 5.07 BB/9 IP. That's beyond horrible. It's the worst number in the league and if they keep this pace up it'll be the worst BB/9 IP posted by a team since 2004, when the Arizona Diamondbacks also posted a 5.07 number in a season in which they went 51-111. Yikes. The high walk rate has essentially eliminated the value the Cubs gain from their high strikeout rate, as they have the 3rd-worst K/BB ratio in the league despite the relatively high K rate. Only the Nationals and Pirates are worse.
QuoteI'll add one a few more things about the pen as a whole... they're not missing the zone as often as you'd think: their zone% is 48.6%, which is below average but not abysmal like their walk rate. What's really dragging them down is their 1st-strike%, which is 2nd-worst and their swing%, which is the lowest in the league. Basically, teams know they can just sit with their bats on their shoulders and let Cubs relievers walk them.
QuoteThis will hammer home how poor the control on this team has been: of pitchers with at least 10 IP that are still on the team (i.e. including Patton but not Ascanio), Jeff Samardzija has the 3rd-lowest BB rate (4.44 BB/9 IP).
Yet Larry Rothschild still has a job. It's not like this is the first year a Cub staff has had a problem throwing strikes under Larry.
Seriously, why can't Larry teach those professional pitchers to just throw more strikes?
Maybe if he could do that, the Cubs would be able to lead the majors in strikeouts for 8 consecutive seasons and be in the top 5 in pitching for 3 years running?
Oh...wait.
And that's led to how many NL titles?
Yes, clearly his fault.
If only the pitching had been better.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 18, 2009, 01:29:56 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 01:29:13 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 18, 2009, 01:26:07 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 01:19:47 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 18, 2009, 01:13:32 PM
Back to the bullpen: it's bad (http://www.anothercubsblog.net/index.php/site/comments/pen-fail/).
QuoteThe bullpen has averaged 7.98 K/9 IP. That's very good, and is the 7th-best number in the majors. Unfortunately, they are also posting a horrendous 5.07 BB/9 IP. That's beyond horrible. It's the worst number in the league and if they keep this pace up it'll be the worst BB/9 IP posted by a team since 2004, when the Arizona Diamondbacks also posted a 5.07 number in a season in which they went 51-111. Yikes. The high walk rate has essentially eliminated the value the Cubs gain from their high strikeout rate, as they have the 3rd-worst K/BB ratio in the league despite the relatively high K rate. Only the Nationals and Pirates are worse.
QuoteI'll add one a few more things about the pen as a whole... they're not missing the zone as often as you'd think: their zone% is 48.6%, which is below average but not abysmal like their walk rate. What's really dragging them down is their 1st-strike%, which is 2nd-worst and their swing%, which is the lowest in the league. Basically, teams know they can just sit with their bats on their shoulders and let Cubs relievers walk them.
QuoteThis will hammer home how poor the control on this team has been: of pitchers with at least 10 IP that are still on the team (i.e. including Patton but not Ascanio), Jeff Samardzija has the 3rd-lowest BB rate (4.44 BB/9 IP).
Yet Larry Rothschild still has a job. It's not like this is the first year a Cub staff has had a problem throwing strikes under Larry.
Seriously, why can't Larry teach those professional pitchers to just throw more strikes?
Maybe if he could do that, the Cubs would be able to lead the majors in strikeouts for 8 consecutive seasons and be in the top 5 in pitching for 3 years running?
Oh...wait.
And that's led to how many NL titles?
Yes, clearly his fault.
If only the pitching had been better.
Maybe if he taught them how to pitch IN THE PLAYOFFS!
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 01:29:13 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 18, 2009, 01:26:07 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 01:19:47 PM
Yet Larry Rothschild still has a job. It's not like this is the first year a Cub staff has had a problem throwing strikes under Larry.
Seriously, why can't Larry teach those professional pitchers to just throw more strikes?
Maybe if he could do that, the Cubs would be able to lead the majors in strikeouts for 8 consecutive seasons and be in the top 5 in pitching for 3 years running?
Oh...wait.
And that's led to how many NL titles?
This is one of the worst arguments I've in the last two weeks on this board, and that's saying something.
Quote from: Ivy6 on August 18, 2009, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 01:29:13 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 18, 2009, 01:26:07 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 01:19:47 PM
Yet Larry Rothschild still has a job. It's not like this is the first year a Cub staff has had a problem throwing strikes under Larry.
Seriously, why can't Larry teach those professional pitchers to just throw more strikes?
Maybe if he could do that, the Cubs would be able to lead the majors in strikeouts for 8 consecutive seasons and be in the top 5 in pitching for 3 years running?
Oh...wait.
And that's led to how many NL titles?
This is one of the worst arguments I've in the last two weeks on this board, and that's saying something.
Nobody gives a shit who leads the league in any of those categories. That's an even worse argument for keeping that fucking clown on the staff.
Speaking of walks, there were quite a few groans about Gregg's walk of Eckstein last night, but it may not be entirely his fault:
(http://i26.tinypic.com/o5yi52.png)
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 01:38:18 PM
Quote from: Ivy6 on August 18, 2009, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 01:29:13 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 18, 2009, 01:26:07 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 01:19:47 PM
Yet Larry Rothschild still has a job. It's not like this is the first year a Cub staff has had a problem throwing strikes under Larry.
Seriously, why can't Larry teach those professional pitchers to just throw more strikes?
Maybe if he could do that, the Cubs would be able to lead the majors in strikeouts for 8 consecutive seasons and be in the top 5 in pitching for 3 years running?
Oh...wait.
And that's led to how many NL titles?
This is one of the worst arguments I've in the last two weeks on this board, and that's saying something.
Nobody gives a shit who leads the league in any of those categories. That's an even worse argument for keeping that fucking clown on the staff.
I can't even tell if you're being serious anymore.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 18, 2009, 01:43:52 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 01:38:18 PM
Quote from: Ivy6 on August 18, 2009, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 01:29:13 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 18, 2009, 01:26:07 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on August 18, 2009, 01:19:47 PM
Yet Larry Rothschild still has a job. It's not like this is the first year a Cub staff has had a problem throwing strikes under Larry.
Seriously, why can't Larry teach those professional pitchers to just throw more strikes?
Maybe if he could do that, the Cubs would be able to lead the majors in strikeouts for 8 consecutive seasons and be in the top 5 in pitching for 3 years running?
Oh...wait.
And that's led to how many NL titles?
This is one of the worst arguments I've in the last two weeks on this board, and that's saying something.
Nobody gives a shit who leads the league in any of those categories. That's an even worse argument for keeping that fucking clown on the staff.
I can't even tell if you're being serious anymore.
Me either. Are we saying the way to measure success of a pitching coach is by World Series appearances? That's that stat we're settling on? Even before "a staff's ability to get guys out and prevent runs from being scored" which had been discussed earlier?
I used to bitch about Rothschild as much as anyone, possibly more.
But, the proof is in the pudding.
Either that, or there's a mystery coach somewhere the Cubs' pitchers are talking to, and Rothschild is just a front.
Quote from: Fork on August 18, 2009, 02:32:03 PM
I used to bitch about Rothschild as much as anyone, possibly more.
But, the proof is in the pudding.
Either that, or there's a mystery coach somewhere the Cubs' pitchers are talking to, and Rothschild is just a front.
I can guarantee you didn't bitch about him as much as I did.
That said, he doesn't raise my ire like he used to. For every two or three Aaron Heilemans who can't get his shit straight under Rothschild, there's a Randy Wells that provides some sort of validation.
Quote from: MAD on August 18, 2009, 02:34:13 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 18, 2009, 02:32:03 PM
I used to bitch about Rothschild as much as anyone, possibly more.
But, the proof is in the pudding.
Either that, or there's a mystery coach somewhere the Cubs' pitchers are talking to, and Rothschild is just a front.
I can guarantee you didn't bitch about him as much as I did.
That said, he doesn't raise my ire like he used to. For every two or three Aaron Heilemans who can't get his shit straight under Rothschild, there's a Randy Wells that provides some sort of validation.
To be fair, you bitch about everything at an equally shrill level.
Quote from: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 10:18:20 AM
You don't get paid $10 million a year to walk.
This is stupid. Of course Bradley doesn't get paid $10 million to walk. He gets paid $10 million a year to show up at the ballpark when there are games, catch fly balls, not throw them into the stands when there's only one out, hit singles, hit doubles, hit triples, hit home runs, walk, throw the ball to certain places or people depending on the situation, occasionally get hit by a pitch, hit sacrifice flies, run the bases, not make outs, take batting practice, field ground balls when they come to him in the outfield, travel with the team and many, many other things that I haven't listed here. He's better at some of these than others.
But of all of those things, the biggest single reason he's getting paid $10 million a year is because he can walk.
Quote from: Fork on August 18, 2009, 02:37:10 PM
Quote from: MAD on August 18, 2009, 02:34:13 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 18, 2009, 02:32:03 PM
I used to bitch about Rothschild as much as anyone, possibly more.
But, the proof is in the pudding.
Either that, or there's a mystery coach somewhere the Cubs' pitchers are talking to, and Rothschild is just a front.
I can guarantee you didn't bitch about him as much as I did.
That said, he doesn't raise my ire like he used to. For every two or three Aaron Heilemans who can't get his shit straight under Rothschild, there's a Randy Wells that provides some sort of validation.
To be fair, you bitch about everything at an equally shrill level.
Perhaps, but I used to carry an especially distinct RAGEBONER for Fraudschild.
Quote from: Eli on August 18, 2009, 02:40:58 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 10:18:20 AM
You don't get paid $10 million a year to walk.
This is stupid. Of course Bradley doesn't get paid $10 million to walk. He gets paid $10 million a year to show up at the ballpark when there are games, catch fly balls, not throw them into the stands when there's only one out, hit singles, hit doubles, hit triples, hit home runs, walk, throw the ball to certain places or people depending on the situation, occasionally get hit by a pitch, hit sacrifice flies, run the bases, not make outs, take batting practice, field ground balls when they come to him in the outfield, travel with the team and many, many other things that I haven't listed here. He's better at some of these than others.
But of all of those things, the biggest single reason he's getting paid $10 million a year is because he can walk.
We get it, you're gay for stats.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 18, 2009, 02:42:05 PM
Quote from: Eli on August 18, 2009, 02:40:58 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 10:18:20 AM
You don't get paid $10 million a year to walk.
This is stupid. Of course Bradley doesn't get paid $10 million to walk. He gets paid $10 million a year to show up at the ballpark when there are games, catch fly balls, not throw them into the stands when there's only one out, hit singles, hit doubles, hit triples, hit home runs, walk, throw the ball to certain places or people depending on the situation, occasionally get hit by a pitch, hit sacrifice flies, run the bases, not make outs, take batting practice, field ground balls when they come to him in the outfield, travel with the team and many, many other things that I haven't listed here. He's better at some of these than others.
But of all of those things, the biggest single reason he's getting paid $10 million a year is because he can walk.
We get it, you're gay for stats.
We get it, you ...
Actually, I don't. Why are you here?
Quote from: Eli on August 18, 2009, 02:44:03 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 18, 2009, 02:42:05 PM
Quote from: Eli on August 18, 2009, 02:40:58 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 10:18:20 AM
You don't get paid $10 million a year to walk.
This is stupid. Of course Bradley doesn't get paid $10 million to walk. He gets paid $10 million a year to show up at the ballpark when there are games, catch fly balls, not throw them into the stands when there's only one out, hit singles, hit doubles, hit triples, hit home runs, walk, throw the ball to certain places or people depending on the situation, occasionally get hit by a pitch, hit sacrifice flies, run the bases, not make outs, take batting practice, field ground balls when they come to him in the outfield, travel with the team and many, many other things that I haven't listed here. He's better at some of these than others.
But of all of those things, the biggest single reason he's getting paid $10 million a year is because he can walk.
We get it, you're gay for stats.
We get it, you ...
Actually, I don't. Why are you here?
I was told there would be cake at some point.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 18, 2009, 02:44:57 PM
Quote from: Eli on August 18, 2009, 02:44:03 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 18, 2009, 02:42:05 PM
Quote from: Eli on August 18, 2009, 02:40:58 PM
Quote from: Dave B on August 18, 2009, 10:18:20 AM
You don't get paid $10 million a year to walk.
This is stupid. Of course Bradley doesn't get paid $10 million to walk. He gets paid $10 million a year to show up at the ballpark when there are games, catch fly balls, not throw them into the stands when there's only one out, hit singles, hit doubles, hit triples, hit home runs, walk, throw the ball to certain places or people depending on the situation, occasionally get hit by a pitch, hit sacrifice flies, run the bases, not make outs, take batting practice, field ground balls when they come to him in the outfield, travel with the team and many, many other things that I haven't listed here. He's better at some of these than others.
But of all of those things, the biggest single reason he's getting paid $10 million a year is because he can walk.
We get it, you're gay for stats.
We get it, you ...
Actually, I don't. Why are you here?
I was told there would be cake at some point.
(http://homepage.mac.com/joester5/writing/images/the-cake-is-a-lie.png)
Maybe when The Genius leaves St. Louis, Hendry can hire Dave Duncan. That will solve everything!!!
Christ on a...
This is the Signature Thread of the 2009 Cubs. I hate it more than life itself. I'm dying to unlock the Turdthrow Thread. Dying.
But there's no point. Fuckall.
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 18, 2009, 11:08:45 PM
Christ on a...
This is the Signature Thread of the 2009 Cubs. I hate it more than life itself. I'm dying to unlock the Turdthrow Thread. Dying.
But there's no point. Fuckall.
Football and hockey and sixteen inch softball. Say it with me. We're gonna make it.
Quote from: Slak on August 19, 2009, 08:54:19 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 18, 2009, 11:08:45 PM
Christ on a...
This is the Signature Thread of the 2009 Cubs. I hate it more than life itself. I'm dying to unlock the Turdthrow Thread. Dying.
But there's no point. Fuckall.
Football and hockey and sixteen inch softball. Say it with me. We're gonna make it.
You play? We could use a guy like you on our team.
Quote from: Fork on August 19, 2009, 09:10:53 AM
Quote from: Slak on August 19, 2009, 08:54:19 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 18, 2009, 11:08:45 PM
Christ on a...
This is the Signature Thread of the 2009 Cubs. I hate it more than life itself. I'm dying to unlock the Turdthrow Thread. Dying.
But there's no point. Fuckall.
Football and hockey and sixteen inch softball. Say it with me. We're gonna make it.
You play? We could use a guy like you on our team.
What do you mean "our" team? This is me and Slaky and Lantz and Oleg and Weebs' team he's referring to. The one you said you'd rather pound penny nails into your junk than play for. We start our championship season in 11 days. That 18 week clusterfuck you were involved in? Training camp, old man. Thanks for helping with OTAs. We won't forget you.
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 20, 2009, 07:40:29 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 19, 2009, 09:10:53 AM
Quote from: Slak on August 19, 2009, 08:54:19 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 18, 2009, 11:08:45 PM
Christ on a...
This is the Signature Thread of the 2009 Cubs. I hate it more than life itself. I'm dying to unlock the Turdthrow Thread. Dying.
But there's no point. Fuckall.
Football and hockey and sixteen inch softball. Say it with me. We're gonna make it.
You play? We could use a guy like you on our team.
What do you mean "our" team? This is me and Slaky and Lantz and Oleg and Weebs' team he's referring to. The one you said you'd rather pound penny nails into your junk than play for. We start our championship season in 11 days. That 18 week clusterfuck you were involved in? Training camp, old man. Thanks for helping with OTAs. We won't forget you.
Slak was a dillitante in the summer league, so shall he be again.
Quote from: Fork on August 20, 2009, 09:46:35 AM
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Christ on a...
This is the Signature Thread of the 2009 Cubs. I hate it more than life itself. I'm dying to unlock the Turdthrow Thread. Dying.
But there's no point. Fuckall.
Football and hockey and sixteen inch softball. Say it with me. We're gonna make it.
You play? We could use a guy like you on our team.
What do you mean "our" team? This is me and Slaky and Lantz and Oleg and Weebs' team he's referring to. The one you said you'd rather pound penny nails into your junk than play for. We start our championship season in 11 days. That 18 week clusterfuck you were involved in? Training camp, old man. Thanks for helping with OTAs. We won't forget you.
Slak was a dillitante in the summer league, so shall he be again.
Slak's playoff beard will drink the club soda of the nonbelievers.
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 20, 2009, 10:03:46 AM
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Quote from: Internet Apex on August 18, 2009, 11:08:45 PM
Christ on a...
This is the Signature Thread of the 2009 Cubs. I hate it more than life itself. I'm dying to unlock the Turdthrow Thread. Dying.
But there's no point. Fuckall.
Football and hockey and sixteen inch softball. Say it with me. We're gonna make it.
You play? We could use a guy like you on our team.
What do you mean "our" team? This is me and Slaky and Lantz and Oleg and Weebs' team he's referring to. The one you said you'd rather pound penny nails into your junk than play for. We start our championship season in 11 days. That 18 week clusterfuck you were involved in? Training camp, old man. Thanks for helping with OTAs. We won't forget you.
Slak was a dillitante in the summer league, so shall he be again.
Slak's playoff beard will drink the club soda of the nonbelievers.
Slak's playoff beard is a ShamWOW!
Quote from: Fork on August 20, 2009, 10:09:01 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 20, 2009, 10:03:46 AM
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Quote from: Internet Apex on August 18, 2009, 11:08:45 PM
Christ on a...
This is the Signature Thread of the 2009 Cubs. I hate it more than life itself. I'm dying to unlock the Turdthrow Thread. Dying.
But there's no point. Fuckall.
Football and hockey and sixteen inch softball. Say it with me. We're gonna make it.
You play? We could use a guy like you on our team.
What do you mean "our" team? This is me and Slaky and Lantz and Oleg and Weebs' team he's referring to. The one you said you'd rather pound penny nails into your junk than play for. We start our championship season in 11 days. That 18 week clusterfuck you were involved in? Training camp, old man. Thanks for helping with OTAs. We won't forget you.
Slak was a dillitante in the summer league, so shall he be again.
Slak's playoff beard will drink the club soda of the nonbelievers.
Slak's playoff beard is a ShamWOW!
Uh,
hello? I'm right
here.
Quote from: Slak on August 20, 2009, 10:10:27 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 20, 2009, 10:09:01 AM
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Quote from: Fork on August 20, 2009, 09:46:35 AM
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Quote from: Internet Apex on August 18, 2009, 11:08:45 PM
Christ on a...
This is the Signature Thread of the 2009 Cubs. I hate it more than life itself. I'm dying to unlock the Turdthrow Thread. Dying.
But there's no point. Fuckall.
Football and hockey and sixteen inch softball. Say it with me. We're gonna make it.
You play? We could use a guy like you on our team.
What do you mean "our" team? This is me and Slaky and Lantz and Oleg and Weebs' team he's referring to. The one you said you'd rather pound penny nails into your junk than play for. We start our championship season in 11 days. That 18 week clusterfuck you were involved in? Training camp, old man. Thanks for helping with OTAs. We won't forget you.
Slak was a dillitante in the summer league, so shall he be again.
Slak's playoff beard will drink the club soda of the nonbelievers.
Slak's playoff beard is a ShamWOW!
Uh, hello? I'm right here.
Prove it, Romeo.
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 20, 2009, 07:40:29 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 19, 2009, 09:10:53 AM
Quote from: Slak on August 19, 2009, 08:54:19 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 18, 2009, 11:08:45 PM
Christ on a...
This is the Signature Thread of the 2009 Cubs. I hate it more than life itself. I'm dying to unlock the Turdthrow Thread. Dying.
But there's no point. Fuckall.
Football and hockey and sixteen inch softball. Say it with me. We're gonna make it.
You play? We could use a guy like you on our team.
What do you mean "our" team? This is me and Slaky and Lantz and Oleg and Weebs' team he's referring to. The one you said you'd rather pound penny nails into your junk than play for. We start our championship season in 11 days. That 18 week clusterfuck you were involved in? Training camp, old man. Thanks for helping with OTAs. We won't forget you.
You're confusing your Desipio and real worlds there, pal. All but about 9 people on this board may be wondering--if they're actually reading this--"Who the hell is Lantz?".
Quote from: MAD on August 20, 2009, 10:52:55 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 20, 2009, 07:40:29 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 19, 2009, 09:10:53 AM
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Quote from: Internet Apex on August 18, 2009, 11:08:45 PM
Christ on a...
This is the Signature Thread of the 2009 Cubs. I hate it more than life itself. I'm dying to unlock the Turdthrow Thread. Dying.
But there's no point. Fuckall.
Football and hockey and sixteen inch softball. Say it with me. We're gonna make it.
You play? We could use a guy like you on our team.
What do you mean "our" team? This is me and Slaky and Lantz and Oleg and Weebs' team he's referring to. The one you said you'd rather pound penny nails into your junk than play for. We start our championship season in 11 days. That 18 week clusterfuck you were involved in? Training camp, old man. Thanks for helping with OTAs. We won't forget you.
You're confusing your Desipio and real worlds there, pal. All but about 9 people on this board may be wondering--if they're actually reading this--"Who the hell is Lantz?".
I figured he was "Bill's" cousin or something.
I never understood what the hell Pre meant. But Lantz is a cool ass name. As in Lantz Briggs or Sir Lantz-a-lot or Lantz Negro.
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on August 20, 2009, 11:03:04 AM
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Quote from: Internet Apex on August 18, 2009, 11:08:45 PM
Christ on a...
This is the Signature Thread of the 2009 Cubs. I hate it more than life itself. I'm dying to unlock the Turdthrow Thread. Dying.
But there's no point. Fuckall.
Football and hockey and sixteen inch softball. Say it with me. We're gonna make it.
You play? We could use a guy like you on our team.
What do you mean "our" team? This is me and Slaky and Lantz and Oleg and Weebs' team he's referring to. The one you said you'd rather pound penny nails into your junk than play for. We start our championship season in 11 days. That 18 week clusterfuck you were involved in? Training camp, old man. Thanks for helping with OTAs. We won't forget you.
You're confusing your Desipio and real worlds there, pal. All but about 9 people on this board may be wondering--if they're actually reading this--"Who the hell is Lantz?".
I figured he was "Bill's" cousin or something.
He might be a friend of Bill, but given some of the mentioned names, I doubt it.
Quote from: MAD on August 20, 2009, 10:52:55 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 20, 2009, 07:40:29 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 19, 2009, 09:10:53 AM
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Quote from: Internet Apex on August 18, 2009, 11:08:45 PM
Christ on a...
This is the Signature Thread of the 2009 Cubs. I hate it more than life itself. I'm dying to unlock the Turdthrow Thread. Dying.
But there's no point. Fuckall.
Football and hockey and sixteen inch softball. Say it with me. We're gonna make it.
You play? We could use a guy like you on our team.
What do you mean "our" team? This is me and Slaky and Lantz and Oleg and Weebs' team he's referring to. The one you said you'd rather pound penny nails into your junk than play for. We start our championship season in 11 days. That 18 week clusterfuck you were involved in? Training camp, old man. Thanks for helping with OTAs. We won't forget you.
You're confusing your Desipio and real worlds there, pal. All but about 9 people on this board may be wondering--if they're actually reading this--"Who the hell is Lantz?".
Is he the kind of guy who'd drop a c-note for beers he can't himself drink? Because, if so, you can call him whatever you want.
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on August 20, 2009, 11:47:17 AM
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Quote from: Internet Apex on August 18, 2009, 11:08:45 PM
Christ on a...
This is the Signature Thread of the 2009 Cubs. I hate it more than life itself. I'm dying to unlock the Turdthrow Thread. Dying.
But there's no point. Fuckall.
Football and hockey and sixteen inch softball. Say it with me. We're gonna make it.
You play? We could use a guy like you on our team.
What do you mean "our" team? This is me and Slaky and Lantz and Oleg and Weebs' team he's referring to. The one you said you'd rather pound penny nails into your junk than play for. We start our championship season in 11 days. That 18 week clusterfuck you were involved in? Training camp, old man. Thanks for helping with OTAs. We won't forget you.
You're confusing your Desipio and real worlds there, pal. All but about 9 people on this board may be wondering--if they're actually reading this--"Who the hell is Lantz?".
Is he the kind of guy who'd drop a c-note for beers he can't himself drink? Because, if so, you can call him whatever you want.
OH LAYINTZ! YOU'RE SO GENERISSS!!
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on August 20, 2009, 11:47:17 AM
Quote from: MAD on August 20, 2009, 10:52:55 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 20, 2009, 07:40:29 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 19, 2009, 09:10:53 AM
Quote from: Slak on August 19, 2009, 08:54:19 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 18, 2009, 11:08:45 PM
Christ on a...
This is the Signature Thread of the 2009 Cubs. I hate it more than life itself. I'm dying to unlock the Turdthrow Thread. Dying.
But there's no point. Fuckall.
Football and hockey and sixteen inch softball. Say it with me. We're gonna make it.
You play? We could use a guy like you on our team.
What do you mean "our" team? This is me and Slaky and Lantz and Oleg and Weebs' team he's referring to. The one you said you'd rather pound penny nails into your junk than play for. We start our championship season in 11 days. That 18 week clusterfuck you were involved in? Training camp, old man. Thanks for helping with OTAs. We won't forget you.
You're confusing your Desipio and real worlds there, pal. All but about 9 people on this board may be wondering--if they're actually reading this--"Who the hell is Lantz?".
Is he the kind of guy who'd drop a c-note for beers he can't himself drink? Because, if so, you can call him whatever you want.
I had forgotten that Pre was at the rooftop game, probably due in small part to the excess amount of beer that he, himself, had generously provided. So maybe there'd be like, 25 people who wouldn't know who Apex was referring to.
Quote from: MAD on August 20, 2009, 12:02:35 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on August 20, 2009, 11:47:17 AM
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Quote from: Slak on August 19, 2009, 08:54:19 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 18, 2009, 11:08:45 PM
Christ on a...
This is the Signature Thread of the 2009 Cubs. I hate it more than life itself. I'm dying to unlock the Turdthrow Thread. Dying.
But there's no point. Fuckall.
Football and hockey and sixteen inch softball. Say it with me. We're gonna make it.
You play? We could use a guy like you on our team.
What do you mean "our" team? This is me and Slaky and Lantz and Oleg and Weebs' team he's referring to. The one you said you'd rather pound penny nails into your junk than play for. We start our championship season in 11 days. That 18 week clusterfuck you were involved in? Training camp, old man. Thanks for helping with OTAs. We won't forget you.
You're confusing your Desipio and real worlds there, pal. All but about 9 people on this board may be wondering--if they're actually reading this--"Who the hell is Lantz?".
Is he the kind of guy who'd drop a c-note for beers he can't himself drink? Because, if so, you can call him whatever you want.
I had forgotten that Pre was at the rooftop game, probably due in small part to the excess amount of beer that he, himself, had generously provided. So maybe there'd be like, 25 people who wouldn't know who Apex was referring to.
Those 25 people do now, smart aleck. Now get off my ass, send Lantz $40 and get your ass to 1st base two Mondays from now. It won't be any fun without you blasting every player on the team, their mothers and everything thing they hold dear on this earth after they make a physical error.
I meant "all but 25".
Quote from: MAD on August 20, 2009, 12:02:35 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on August 20, 2009, 11:47:17 AM
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Quote from: Internet Apex on August 20, 2009, 07:40:29 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 19, 2009, 09:10:53 AM
Quote from: Slak on August 19, 2009, 08:54:19 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 18, 2009, 11:08:45 PM
Christ on a...
This is the Signature Thread of the 2009 Cubs. I hate it more than life itself. I'm dying to unlock the Turdthrow Thread. Dying.
But there's no point. Fuckall.
Football and hockey and sixteen inch softball. Say it with me. We're gonna make it.
You play? We could use a guy like you on our team.
What do you mean "our" team? This is me and Slaky and Lantz and Oleg and Weebs' team he's referring to. The one you said you'd rather pound penny nails into your junk than play for. We start our championship season in 11 days. That 18 week clusterfuck you were involved in? Training camp, old man. Thanks for helping with OTAs. We won't forget you.
You're confusing your Desipio and real worlds there, pal. All but about 9 people on this board may be wondering--if they're actually reading this--"Who the hell is Lantz?".
Is he the kind of guy who'd drop a c-note for beers he can't himself drink? Because, if so, you can call him whatever you want.
I had forgotten that Pre was at the rooftop game, probably due in small part to the excess amount of beer that he, himself, had generously provided. So maybe there'd be like, 25 people who wouldn't know who Apex was referring to.
(http://i27.tinypic.com/jzv1gm.jpg)
Based off of this, one could just have assumed CT was there
Quote from: IrishYeti on August 20, 2009, 12:30:09 PM
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Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on August 20, 2009, 11:47:17 AM
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Quote from: Internet Apex on August 20, 2009, 07:40:29 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 19, 2009, 09:10:53 AM
Quote from: Slak on August 19, 2009, 08:54:19 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 18, 2009, 11:08:45 PM
Christ on a...
This is the Signature Thread of the 2009 Cubs. I hate it more than life itself. I'm dying to unlock the Turdthrow Thread. Dying.
But there's no point. Fuckall.
Football and hockey and sixteen inch softball. Say it with me. We're gonna make it.
You play? We could use a guy like you on our team.
What do you mean "our" team? This is me and Slaky and Lantz and Oleg and Weebs' team he's referring to. The one you said you'd rather pound penny nails into your junk than play for. We start our championship season in 11 days. That 18 week clusterfuck you were involved in? Training camp, old man. Thanks for helping with OTAs. We won't forget you.
You're confusing your Desipio and real worlds there, pal. All but about 9 people on this board may be wondering--if they're actually reading this--"Who the hell is Lantz?".
Is he the kind of guy who'd drop a c-note for beers he can't himself drink? Because, if so, you can call him whatever you want.
I had forgotten that Pre was at the rooftop game, probably due in small part to the excess amount of beer that he, himself, had generously provided. So maybe there'd be like, 25 people who wouldn't know who Apex was referring to.
(http://i27.tinypic.com/jzv1gm.jpg)
Based off of this, one could just have assumed CT was there
That looks like every picture of me taken at Kitty O'Sheas.
Quote from: Jon on August 20, 2009, 12:47:20 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on August 20, 2009, 12:30:09 PM
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Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on August 20, 2009, 11:47:17 AM
Quote from: MAD on August 20, 2009, 10:52:55 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 20, 2009, 07:40:29 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 19, 2009, 09:10:53 AM
Quote from: Slak on August 19, 2009, 08:54:19 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 18, 2009, 11:08:45 PM
Christ on a...
This is the Signature Thread of the 2009 Cubs. I hate it more than life itself. I'm dying to unlock the Turdthrow Thread. Dying.
But there's no point. Fuckall.
Football and hockey and sixteen inch softball. Say it with me. We're gonna make it.
You play? We could use a guy like you on our team.
What do you mean "our" team? This is me and Slaky and Lantz and Oleg and Weebs' team he's referring to. The one you said you'd rather pound penny nails into your junk than play for. We start our championship season in 11 days. That 18 week clusterfuck you were involved in? Training camp, old man. Thanks for helping with OTAs. We won't forget you.
You're confusing your Desipio and real worlds there, pal. All but about 9 people on this board may be wondering--if they're actually reading this--"Who the hell is Lantz?".
Is he the kind of guy who'd drop a c-note for beers he can't himself drink? Because, if so, you can call him whatever you want.
I had forgotten that Pre was at the rooftop game, probably due in small part to the excess amount of beer that he, himself, had generously provided. So maybe there'd be like, 25 people who wouldn't know who Apex was referring to.
(http://i27.tinypic.com/jzv1gm.jpg)
Based off of this, one could just have assumed CT was there
That looks like every picture of me taken at Kitty O'Sheas.
Another JOn sighting, as he approves of Oleg's failed attempt to bang that chick.
(http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1947/41/66/82700544/n82700544_30767192_3854.jpg)
Quote from: Weebs on August 20, 2009, 09:20:19 PM
Another JOn sighting, as he approves of Oleg's failed attempt to bang that chick.
(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/KurtEvans/oleg.jpg)
/fix'd
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on August 20, 2009, 11:47:17 AM
Because, if so, you can call him whatever you want.
He called me Greenhorn. I called him Tony Randall. It's a thing we had.
Also--An-hell Gooz-man is not the answer.
What was the question?
See guys: Guzman had a bad outing today. His first in a long, long time. So now, naturally, he stinks.
Quote from: Canadouche on August 20, 2009, 10:40:28 PM
Quote from: Weebs on August 20, 2009, 09:20:19 PM
Another JOn sighting, as he approves of Oleg's failed attempt to bang that chick.
(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/KurtEvans/oleg.jpg)
/fix'd
Oh dear god. I totally understand this KurtEvans photoshop...
Earlier today I agreed with Internet Chuck.
If I stop wishing hot death to rain on PenFoe, this will be the most fucked up day of my life...
Quote from: Slak on August 20, 2009, 11:13:55 PM
See guys: Guzman had a bad outing today. His first in a long, long time. So now, naturally, he stinks.
Guzman has actually strung a few shaky/bad outings now in a row. Even Len talked about it.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on August 21, 2009, 12:08:58 AM
Quote from: Slak on August 20, 2009, 11:13:55 PM
See guys: Guzman had a bad outing today. His first in a long, long time. So now, naturally, he stinks.
Guzman has actually strung a few shaky/bad outings now in a row. Even Len talked about it.
Hate to agree with CFiHP, but Guzman gave up a handful of frozen ropes the other day, including an inside the park home to an apaprently 400 pound man.
Still, he's pretty good.
Quote from: MAD on August 21, 2009, 09:16:31 AM
Still, he's pretty good.
Huey probably made a bold prediction in 2005 about how awesome Gooz was going to be in our rotation, front-to-back, in 2006.
He's sticking with this prediction.
I have no idea what Oleg is holding in that picture, but I'm pretty sure it had weed in it.
Quote from: Fork on August 21, 2009, 11:08:55 AM
I have no idea what Oleg is holding in that picture, but I'm pretty sure it had weed in it.
Thanks, Tim McCarver.
Quote from: MAD on August 21, 2009, 11:21:49 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 21, 2009, 11:08:55 AM
I have no idea what Oleg is holding in that picture, but I'm pretty sure it had weed in it.
Thanks, Tim McCarver.
No sweat, Keith Hernandez.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 13, 2009, 01:33:39 PM
Would it be possible, just once for Kurt to be involved in a thread that didn't devolve into the sole focus being on Kurt?
Also, would it be possible for Kurt to just be allowed to be Kurt without eliciting 10,000 word responses?
We get it, he's an idiot.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2009, 12:03:18 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 13, 2009, 01:33:39 PM
Would it be possible, just once for Kurt to be involved in a thread that didn't devolve into the sole focus being on Kurt?
Also, would it be possible for Kurt to just be allowed to be Kurt without eliciting 10,000 word responses?
We get it, he's an idiot.
Goddammit PenFoe, why are you still alive?
Quote from: Jon on August 21, 2009, 12:14:52 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2009, 12:03:18 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 13, 2009, 01:33:39 PM
Would it be possible, just once for Kurt to be involved in a thread that didn't devolve into the sole focus being on Kurt?
Also, would it be possible for Kurt to just be allowed to be Kurt without eliciting 10,000 word responses?
We get it, he's an idiot.
Goddammit PenFoe, why are you still alive?
Because someone has to offset your brilliant contributions to this board.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2009, 12:18:14 PM
Quote from: Jon on August 21, 2009, 12:14:52 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2009, 12:03:18 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 13, 2009, 01:33:39 PM
Would it be possible, just once for Kurt to be involved in a thread that didn't devolve into the sole focus being on Kurt?
Also, would it be possible for Kurt to just be allowed to be Kurt without eliciting 10,000 word responses?
We get it, he's an idiot.
Goddammit PenFoe, why are you still alive?
Because someone has to offset your brilliant contributions to this board.
I must break you.
Quote from: Jon on August 21, 2009, 12:19:20 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2009, 12:18:14 PM
Quote from: Jon on August 21, 2009, 12:14:52 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2009, 12:03:18 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 13, 2009, 01:33:39 PM
Would it be possible, just once for Kurt to be involved in a thread that didn't devolve into the sole focus being on Kurt?
Also, would it be possible for Kurt to just be allowed to be Kurt without eliciting 10,000 word responses?
We get it, he's an idiot.
Goddammit PenFoe, why are you still alive?
Because someone has to offset your brilliant contributions to this board.
I must break you.
Go get him! (http://www.slap-shot.com/Daddy.mp3)
Bump
This bullpen has plenty of good in it if Lou ever figures out how to use properly. I can't believe he went with Grabow over Caridad there. Just fucking brutal.
Samarkjalsdkrja and Grabow suck ass.
Quote from: D. Doluntap on April 07, 2010, 08:59:45 PM
Samarkjalsdkrja and Grabow suck ass.
But they're making a lot of money so they'll be around awhile.
Catch the excitement.
Kevin Gregg with a scoreless 1 1/3 tonight.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on April 07, 2010, 09:00:51 PM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on April 07, 2010, 08:59:45 PM
Samarkjalsdkrja and Grabow suck ass.
But they're making a lot of money so they'll be around awhile.
TOO EXPENSIVE TO FAIL.
Quote from: Bort on April 08, 2010, 10:07:53 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on April 07, 2010, 09:00:51 PM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on April 07, 2010, 08:59:45 PM
Samarkjalsdkrja and Grabow suck ass.
But they're making a lot of money so they'll be around awhile.
TOO EXPENSIVE TO FAIL.
Just wanted to say that it is awesome that there are currently about 10 threads in play about how much we hate this team.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 08, 2010, 11:52:42 AM
Quote from: Bort on April 08, 2010, 10:07:53 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on April 07, 2010, 09:00:51 PM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on April 07, 2010, 08:59:45 PM
Samarkjalsdkrja and Grabow suck ass.
But they're making a lot of money so they'll be around awhile.
TOO EXPENSIVE TO FAIL.
Just wanted to say that it is awesome that there are currently about 10 threads in play about how much we hate this team.
But the joyful positive thread is an egregious example of misuse, in my opinion.
Quote from: MAD on April 08, 2010, 11:56:08 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 08, 2010, 11:52:42 AM
Quote from: Bort on April 08, 2010, 10:07:53 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on April 07, 2010, 09:00:51 PM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on April 07, 2010, 08:59:45 PM
Samarkjalsdkrja and Grabow suck ass.
But they're making a lot of money so they'll be around awhile.
TOO EXPENSIVE TO FAIL.
Just wanted to say that it is awesome that there are currently about 10 threads in play about how much we hate this team.
But the joyful positive thread is an egregious example of misuse, in my opinion.
Duly noted, CubbieJulie.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 08, 2010, 11:52:42 AM
Quote from: Bort on April 08, 2010, 10:07:53 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on April 07, 2010, 09:00:51 PM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on April 07, 2010, 08:59:45 PM
Samarkjalsdkrja and Grabow suck ass.
But they're making a lot of money so they'll be around awhile.
TOO EXPENSIVE TO FAIL.
Just wanted to say that it is awesome that there are currently about 10 threads in play about how much we hate this team.
I think that all comments about the Cubs ought to be in the "Fuck its silent in here" thread
Quote from: CT III on April 08, 2010, 12:06:11 PM
Quote from: MAD on April 08, 2010, 11:56:08 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 08, 2010, 11:52:42 AM
Quote from: Bort on April 08, 2010, 10:07:53 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on April 07, 2010, 09:00:51 PM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on April 07, 2010, 08:59:45 PM
Samarkjalsdkrja and Grabow suck ass.
But they're making a lot of money so they'll be around awhile.
TOO EXPENSIVE TO FAIL.
Just wanted to say that it is awesome that there are currently about 10 threads in play about how much we hate this team.
But the joyful positive thread is an egregious example of misuse, in my opinion.
Duly noted, CubbieJulie.
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Grabow licks taint.
Quote from: SKO on April 08, 2010, 08:37:34 PM
Grabow licks 2 years and $7.5 million worth of taint.
Hendry'd
Grabow's contract is tradeable at the deadline. Somebody will take him.
Quote from: Internet Apex on April 07, 2010, 08:56:48 PM
This bullpen has plenty of good in it if Lou ever figures out how to use properly. I can't believe he went with Grabow over Caridad there. Just fucking brutal.
This just in from a friend: Caridad is Spanish for Hart. Guh.
Why is this shit always happening to me?
Quote from: Internet Apex on April 09, 2010, 08:35:47 PM
Why is this shit always happening to me?
God hates you. And the rest of us have to suffer because of it.
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on April 09, 2010, 08:40:12 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on April 09, 2010, 08:35:47 PM
Why is this shit always happening to me?
God hates you. And the rest of us have to suffer because of it.
God, I'm a sinner and you're gonna fuck me.
Mail it in. Gotta be bad.
Cari-bad was so awesome last time the bases were clogged, I guess Lou thought he'd go with him in that spot again.
FAIL.
Clogged in a run, eh Dusty?
Ricketts (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5077571) says we can add another player.
Any guesses on what shitty reliever Hendry throws a multiyear deal at? Eric Gagne anyone ?
Quote from: BH on April 12, 2010, 12:11:18 PM
Ricketts (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5077571) says we can add another player.
Any guesses on what shitty reliever Hendry throws a multiyear deal at? Eric Gagne anyone ?
This is definitely the best time to be looking.
Some moron caller on the Score suggested that "because Xavier Nady can play a good 1B and his contract is up after this year" that the Cubs trade DLee for a "real setup guy."
I can't be sure that this caller wasn't Jim Hendry.
So far for Dempster, 1 IP and 2 BB. Awesome.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 12, 2010, 01:48:52 PM
So far for Dempster, 1 IP and 2 BB. Awesome.
This thread is for the bullpen. Not starting pitching.
MODS!!!
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 12, 2010, 01:48:52 PM
So far for Dempster, 1 IP and 2 BB. Awesome.
So far for Dempster, 2.1 IP and ZERO HITS. Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Eli on April 12, 2010, 02:05:17 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 12, 2010, 01:48:52 PM
So far for Dempster, 1 IP and 2 BB. Awesome.
So far for Dempster, 2.1 IP and ZERO HITS. Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice jinx, Eli.
Mailing it in to the DL.
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5086343
Jeff Gray coming up.
Quote from: morpheus on April 14, 2010, 10:34:47 AM
Mailing it in to the DL.
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5086343
Jeff Gray coming up.
Thank fucking Gord. Jeff Gray should be pretty decent. Now for that Samardzija injury.
Quote from: Slaky on April 14, 2010, 10:40:22 AM
Quote from: morpheus on April 14, 2010, 10:34:47 AM
Mailing it in to the DL.
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5086343
Jeff Gray coming up.
Thank fucking Gord. Jeff Gray should be pretty decent. Now for that Samardzija injury.
I'll get my sock full of batteries...
Quote from: morpheus on April 14, 2010, 10:34:47 AM
Mailing it in to the DL.
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5086343
Jeff Gray coming up.
JO injury?
Quote from: morpheus on April 14, 2010, 10:34:47 AM
Mailing it in to the DL.
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5086343
Jeff Gray coming up.
Jebus, he picked up right where Caridad left off. Amazing. Back-to-back triples by the 7 and 8 hitters.
Welcome to the suck, Jeff Gray.
Next time you start to think hateful thoughts about the Cubs' bullpen, think of Milwaukee's. It helps.
Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2010, 03:51:39 PM
Welcome to the suck, Jeff Gray.
That would be 1-0 Jeff Gray.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on April 14, 2010, 07:36:21 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2010, 03:51:39 PM
Welcome to the suck, Jeff Gray.
That would be 1-0 Jeff Gray.
I think it officiall reads: Jeff Ghrey (1-0, 18.00, not Aaron Miles).
Holy shit. I've been wondering why Berg is still in the majors since he walks approximately every other batter, and tonight might have punched his ticket to Iowa. I can hope.
Quote from: Day Man on May 08, 2010, 09:23:40 PM
Holy shit. I've been wondering why Berg is still in the majors since he walks approximately every other batter, and tonight might have punched his ticket to Iowa. I can hope.
Cool. Maybe they'll call Samardizja back up.
We have a guy in Double A named Austin Bibens-Dirkx. We need to call up a guy with a name like that.
Quote from: BH on May 11, 2010, 04:12:53 PM
We have a guy in Double A named Austin Bibens-Dirkx. We need to call up a guy with a name like that.
http://www.myspace.com/austindirkx
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on May 11, 2010, 06:40:24 PM
Quote from: BH on May 11, 2010, 04:12:53 PM
We have a guy in Double A named Austin Bibens-Dirkx. We need to call up a guy with a name like that.
http://www.myspace.com/austindirkx
http://www.myspace.com/abercrombiebabe05
"For fans of Sean McConnell, Jack Johnson, John Mayer, and Justin Timberlake, Austin stands alone in his incorporation of many musical loves into a cohesive and satisfying set that is an inspiration to musicians everywhere."
Quote from: Internet Apex on May 12, 2010, 07:35:54 AM
"For fans of Sean McConnell, Jack Johnson, John Mayer, and Justin Timberlake, Austin stands alone in his incorporation of many musical loves into a cohesive and satisfying set that is an inspiration to musicians everywhere."
Crabs says hi.
rotoworld.
Season savior alert!
"Diamondbacks released RHP Bob Howry.
Not a great showing from the right-handed setup man in Arizona. Howry inked a one-year, $2 million contract this offseason -- and will probably get to keep all of it -- but allowed a ridiculous 17 earned runs in 20 1/3 innings for the Diamondbacks this season. He packed his things Monday. Still, we'd bet that his 1.15 WHIP from last year will land him a shot elsewhere. "
Quote from: BH on May 17, 2010, 12:58:35 PM
rotoworld.
Season savior alert!
"Diamondbacks released RHP Bob Howry.
Not a great showing from the right-handed setup man in Arizona. Howry inked a one-year, $2 million contract this offseason -- and will probably get to keep all of it -- but allowed a ridiculous 17 earned runs in 20 1/3 innings for the Diamondbacks this season. He packed his things Monday. Still, we'd bet that his 1.15 WHIP from last year will land him a shot elsewhere. "
Honestly, Bob Howry and/or Chad Go-Dan (DFA'd by the A's yesterday) would make the Cubs better, even if they continue to pitch the way they have this season.
Quote from: Brownie on May 17, 2010, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: BH on May 17, 2010, 12:58:35 PM
rotoworld.
Season savior alert!
"Diamondbacks released RHP Bob Howry.
Not a great showing from the right-handed setup man in Arizona. Howry inked a one-year, $2 million contract this offseason -- and will probably get to keep all of it -- but allowed a ridiculous 17 earned runs in 20 1/3 innings for the Diamondbacks this season. He packed his things Monday. Still, we'd bet that his 1.15 WHIP from last year will land him a shot elsewhere. "
Honestly, Bob Howry and/or Chad Go-Dan (DFA'd by the A's yesterday) would make the Cubs better, even if they continue to pitch the way they have this season.
And that is a sobering thought.
Quote from: Bort on May 17, 2010, 01:18:19 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 17, 2010, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: BH on May 17, 2010, 12:58:35 PM
rotoworld.
Season savior alert!
"Diamondbacks released RHP Bob Howry.
Not a great showing from the right-handed setup man in Arizona. Howry inked a one-year, $2 million contract this offseason -- and will probably get to keep all of it -- but allowed a ridiculous 17 earned runs in 20 1/3 innings for the Diamondbacks this season. He packed his things Monday. Still, we'd bet that his 1.15 WHIP from last year will land him a shot elsewhere. "
Honestly, Bob Howry and/or Chad Go-Dan (DFA'd by the A's yesterday) would make the Cubs better, even if they continue to pitch the way they have this season.
And that is a sobering thought.
That is the exact opposite of a sobering thought. That makes me want to drink until I crank out the Cyndi Lauper.
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2010, 01:21:53 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 17, 2010, 01:18:19 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 17, 2010, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: BH on May 17, 2010, 12:58:35 PM
rotoworld.
Season savior alert!
"Diamondbacks released RHP Bob Howry.
Not a great showing from the right-handed setup man in Arizona. Howry inked a one-year, $2 million contract this offseason -- and will probably get to keep all of it -- but allowed a ridiculous 17 earned runs in 20 1/3 innings for the Diamondbacks this season. He packed his things Monday. Still, we'd bet that his 1.15 WHIP from last year will land him a shot elsewhere. "
Honestly, Bob Howry and/or Chad Go-Dan (DFA'd by the A's yesterday) would make the Cubs better, even if they continue to pitch the way they have this season.
And that is a sobering thought.
That is the exact opposite of a sobering thought. That makes me want to drink until I crank out the Cyndi Lauper.
Well, the sobriety is the inciting incident for the drunkenness.
Also...so you want to drink 2 My Tais?
Quote from: Bort on May 17, 2010, 01:23:20 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2010, 01:21:53 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 17, 2010, 01:18:19 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 17, 2010, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: BH on May 17, 2010, 12:58:35 PM
rotoworld.
Season savior alert!
"Diamondbacks released RHP Bob Howry.
Not a great showing from the right-handed setup man in Arizona. Howry inked a one-year, $2 million contract this offseason -- and will probably get to keep all of it -- but allowed a ridiculous 17 earned runs in 20 1/3 innings for the Diamondbacks this season. He packed his things Monday. Still, we'd bet that his 1.15 WHIP from last year will land him a shot elsewhere. "
Honestly, Bob Howry and/or Chad Go-Dan (DFA'd by the A's yesterday) would make the Cubs better, even if they continue to pitch the way they have this season.
And that is a sobering thought.
That is the exact opposite of a sobering thought. That makes me want to drink until I crank out the Cyndi Lauper.
Well, the sobriety is the inciting incident for the drunkenness.
Also...so you want to drink 2 My Tais?
It was five shots of Jameson and three shots of....well, whatever it was, it was red.
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2010, 01:31:53 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 17, 2010, 01:23:20 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2010, 01:21:53 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 17, 2010, 01:18:19 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 17, 2010, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: BH on May 17, 2010, 12:58:35 PM
rotoworld.
Season savior alert!
"Diamondbacks released RHP Bob Howry.
Not a great showing from the right-handed setup man in Arizona. Howry inked a one-year, $2 million contract this offseason -- and will probably get to keep all of it -- but allowed a ridiculous 17 earned runs in 20 1/3 innings for the Diamondbacks this season. He packed his things Monday. Still, we'd bet that his 1.15 WHIP from last year will land him a shot elsewhere. "
Honestly, Bob Howry and/or Chad Go-Dan (DFA'd by the A's yesterday) would make the Cubs better, even if they continue to pitch the way they have this season.
And that is a sobering thought.
That is the exact opposite of a sobering thought. That makes me want to drink until I crank out the Cyndi Lauper.
Well, the sobriety is the inciting incident for the drunkenness.
Also...so you want to drink 2 My Tais?
It was five shots of Jameson and three shots of....well, whatever it was, it was red.
Grenadine?
Quote from: PenPho on May 17, 2010, 01:56:34 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2010, 01:31:53 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 17, 2010, 01:23:20 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2010, 01:21:53 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 17, 2010, 01:18:19 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 17, 2010, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: BH on May 17, 2010, 12:58:35 PM
rotoworld.
Season savior alert!
"Diamondbacks released RHP Bob Howry.
Not a great showing from the right-handed setup man in Arizona. Howry inked a one-year, $2 million contract this offseason -- and will probably get to keep all of it -- but allowed a ridiculous 17 earned runs in 20 1/3 innings for the Diamondbacks this season. He packed his things Monday. Still, we'd bet that his 1.15 WHIP from last year will land him a shot elsewhere. "
Honestly, Bob Howry and/or Chad Go-Dan (DFA'd by the A's yesterday) would make the Cubs better, even if they continue to pitch the way they have this season.
And that is a sobering thought.
That is the exact opposite of a sobering thought. That makes me want to drink until I crank out the Cyndi Lauper.
Well, the sobriety is the inciting incident for the drunkenness.
Also...so you want to drink 2 My Tais?
It was five shots of Jameson and three shots of....well, whatever it was, it was red.
Grenadine?
The blood of Kevin Hart's cutter's victims?
Quote from: Bort on May 17, 2010, 02:02:14 PM
Quote from: PenPho on May 17, 2010, 01:56:34 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2010, 01:31:53 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 17, 2010, 01:23:20 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2010, 01:21:53 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 17, 2010, 01:18:19 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 17, 2010, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: BH on May 17, 2010, 12:58:35 PM
rotoworld.
Season savior alert!
"Diamondbacks released RHP Bob Howry.
Not a great showing from the right-handed setup man in Arizona. Howry inked a one-year, $2 million contract this offseason -- and will probably get to keep all of it -- but allowed a ridiculous 17 earned runs in 20 1/3 innings for the Diamondbacks this season. He packed his things Monday. Still, we'd bet that his 1.15 WHIP from last year will land him a shot elsewhere. "
Honestly, Bob Howry and/or Chad Go-Dan (DFA'd by the A's yesterday) would make the Cubs better, even if they continue to pitch the way they have this season.
And that is a sobering thought.
That is the exact opposite of a sobering thought. That makes me want to drink until I crank out the Cyndi Lauper.
Well, the sobriety is the inciting incident for the drunkenness.
Also...so you want to drink 2 My Tais?
It was five shots of Jameson and three shots of....well, whatever it was, it was red.
Grenadine?
The blood of Kevin Hart's cutter's victims?
Cherry jello shots? Beet juice and goldschlagger shots? Clamato and peach schnapps shots?
Quote from: BH on May 17, 2010, 02:18:41 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 17, 2010, 02:02:14 PM
Quote from: PenPho on May 17, 2010, 01:56:34 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2010, 01:31:53 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 17, 2010, 01:23:20 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2010, 01:21:53 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 17, 2010, 01:18:19 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 17, 2010, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: BH on May 17, 2010, 12:58:35 PM
rotoworld.
Season savior alert!
"Diamondbacks released RHP Bob Howry.
Not a great showing from the right-handed setup man in Arizona. Howry inked a one-year, $2 million contract this offseason -- and will probably get to keep all of it -- but allowed a ridiculous 17 earned runs in 20 1/3 innings for the Diamondbacks this season. He packed his things Monday. Still, we'd bet that his 1.15 WHIP from last year will land him a shot elsewhere. "
Honestly, Bob Howry and/or Chad Go-Dan (DFA'd by the A's yesterday) would make the Cubs better, even if they continue to pitch the way they have this season.
And that is a sobering thought.
That is the exact opposite of a sobering thought. That makes me want to drink until I crank out the Cyndi Lauper.
Well, the sobriety is the inciting incident for the drunkenness.
Also...so you want to drink 2 My Tais?
It was five shots of Jameson and three shots of....well, whatever it was, it was red.
Grenadine?
The blood of Kevin Hart's cutter's victims?
Cherry jello shots? Beet juice and goldschlagger shots? Clamato and peach schnapps shots?
Red Headed Sluts.
Quote from: BH on May 17, 2010, 02:18:41 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 17, 2010, 02:02:14 PM
Quote from: PenPho on May 17, 2010, 01:56:34 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2010, 01:31:53 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 17, 2010, 01:23:20 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2010, 01:21:53 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 17, 2010, 01:18:19 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 17, 2010, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: BH on May 17, 2010, 12:58:35 PM
rotoworld.
Season savior alert!
"Diamondbacks released RHP Bob Howry.
Not a great showing from the right-handed setup man in Arizona. Howry inked a one-year, $2 million contract this offseason -- and will probably get to keep all of it -- but allowed a ridiculous 17 earned runs in 20 1/3 innings for the Diamondbacks this season. He packed his things Monday. Still, we'd bet that his 1.15 WHIP from last year will land him a shot elsewhere. "
Honestly, Bob Howry and/or Chad Go-Dan (DFA'd by the A's yesterday) would make the Cubs better, even if they continue to pitch the way they have this season.
And that is a sobering thought.
That is the exact opposite of a sobering thought. That makes me want to drink until I crank out the Cyndi Lauper.
Well, the sobriety is the inciting incident for the drunkenness.
Also...so you want to drink 2 My Tais?
It was five shots of Jameson and three shots of....well, whatever it was, it was red.
Grenadine?
The blood of Kevin Hart's cutter's victims?
Cherry jello shots? Beet juice and goldschlagger shots? Clamato and peach schnapps shots?
Pepto Bismol?
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on May 17, 2010, 03:11:01 PM
Quote from: BH on May 17, 2010, 02:18:41 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 17, 2010, 02:02:14 PM
Quote from: PenPho on May 17, 2010, 01:56:34 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2010, 01:31:53 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 17, 2010, 01:23:20 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2010, 01:21:53 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 17, 2010, 01:18:19 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 17, 2010, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: BH on May 17, 2010, 12:58:35 PM
rotoworld.
Season savior alert!
"Diamondbacks released RHP Bob Howry.
Not a great showing from the right-handed setup man in Arizona. Howry inked a one-year, $2 million contract this offseason -- and will probably get to keep all of it -- but allowed a ridiculous 17 earned runs in 20 1/3 innings for the Diamondbacks this season. He packed his things Monday. Still, we'd bet that his 1.15 WHIP from last year will land him a shot elsewhere. "
Honestly, Bob Howry and/or Chad Go-Dan (DFA'd by the A's yesterday) would make the Cubs better, even if they continue to pitch the way they have this season.
And that is a sobering thought.
That is the exact opposite of a sobering thought. That makes me want to drink until I crank out the Cyndi Lauper.
Well, the sobriety is the inciting incident for the drunkenness.
Also...so you want to drink 2 My Tais?
It was five shots of Jameson and three shots of....well, whatever it was, it was red.
Grenadine?
The blood of Kevin Hart's cutter's victims?
Cherry jello shots? Beet juice and goldschlagger shots? Clamato and peach schnapps shots?
Red Headed Sluts.
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.stylelist.com/media/2008/10/christina-hendricks-sexy-smokey-dress.jpg)
Quote from: Armchair_QB on May 17, 2010, 03:47:00 PM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on May 17, 2010, 03:11:01 PM
Quote from: BH on May 17, 2010, 02:18:41 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 17, 2010, 02:02:14 PM
Quote from: PenPho on May 17, 2010, 01:56:34 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2010, 01:31:53 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 17, 2010, 01:23:20 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2010, 01:21:53 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 17, 2010, 01:18:19 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 17, 2010, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: BH on May 17, 2010, 12:58:35 PM
rotoworld.
Season savior alert!
"Diamondbacks released RHP Bob Howry.
Not a great showing from the right-handed setup man in Arizona. Howry inked a one-year, $2 million contract this offseason -- and will probably get to keep all of it -- but allowed a ridiculous 17 earned runs in 20 1/3 innings for the Diamondbacks this season. He packed his things Monday. Still, we'd bet that his 1.15 WHIP from last year will land him a shot elsewhere. "
Honestly, Bob Howry and/or Chad Go-Dan (DFA'd by the A's yesterday) would make the Cubs better, even if they continue to pitch the way they have this season.
And that is a sobering thought.
That is the exact opposite of a sobering thought. That makes me want to drink until I crank out the Cyndi Lauper.
Well, the sobriety is the inciting incident for the drunkenness.
Also...so you want to drink 2 My Tais?
It was five shots of Jameson and three shots of....well, whatever it was, it was red.
Grenadine?
The blood of Kevin Hart's cutter's victims?
Cherry jello shots? Beet juice and goldschlagger shots? Clamato and peach schnapps shots?
Red Headed Sluts.
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.stylelist.com/media/2008/10/christina-hendricks-sexy-smokey-dress.jpg)
I bet that her hair color isn't real.
Quote from: CBStew on May 17, 2010, 06:10:26 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on May 17, 2010, 03:47:00 PM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on May 17, 2010, 03:11:01 PM
Quote from: BH on May 17, 2010, 02:18:41 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 17, 2010, 02:02:14 PM
Quote from: PenPho on May 17, 2010, 01:56:34 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2010, 01:31:53 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 17, 2010, 01:23:20 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2010, 01:21:53 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 17, 2010, 01:18:19 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 17, 2010, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: BH on May 17, 2010, 12:58:35 PM
rotoworld.
Season savior alert!
"Diamondbacks released RHP Bob Howry.
Not a great showing from the right-handed setup man in Arizona. Howry inked a one-year, $2 million contract this offseason -- and will probably get to keep all of it -- but allowed a ridiculous 17 earned runs in 20 1/3 innings for the Diamondbacks this season. He packed his things Monday. Still, we'd bet that his 1.15 WHIP from last year will land him a shot elsewhere. "
Honestly, Bob Howry and/or Chad Go-Dan (DFA'd by the A's yesterday) would make the Cubs better, even if they continue to pitch the way they have this season.
And that is a sobering thought.
That is the exact opposite of a sobering thought. That makes me want to drink until I crank out the Cyndi Lauper.
Well, the sobriety is the inciting incident for the drunkenness.
Also...so you want to drink 2 My Tais?
It was five shots of Jameson and three shots of....well, whatever it was, it was red.
Grenadine?
The blood of Kevin Hart's cutter's victims?
Cherry jello shots? Beet juice and goldschlagger shots? Clamato and peach schnapps shots?
Red Headed Sluts.
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.stylelist.com/media/2008/10/christina-hendricks-sexy-smokey-dress.jpg)
I bet that her hair color isn't real.
She's a natural blonde.
Quote from: CBStew on May 17, 2010, 06:10:26 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on May 17, 2010, 03:47:00 PM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on May 17, 2010, 03:11:01 PM
Quote from: BH on May 17, 2010, 02:18:41 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 17, 2010, 02:02:14 PM
Quote from: PenPho on May 17, 2010, 01:56:34 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2010, 01:31:53 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 17, 2010, 01:23:20 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2010, 01:21:53 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 17, 2010, 01:18:19 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 17, 2010, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: BH on May 17, 2010, 12:58:35 PM
rotoworld.
Season savior alert!
"Diamondbacks released RHP Bob Howry.
Not a great showing from the right-handed setup man in Arizona. Howry inked a one-year, $2 million contract this offseason -- and will probably get to keep all of it -- but allowed a ridiculous 17 earned runs in 20 1/3 innings for the Diamondbacks this season. He packed his things Monday. Still, we'd bet that his 1.15 WHIP from last year will land him a shot elsewhere. "
Honestly, Bob Howry and/or Chad Go-Dan (DFA'd by the A's yesterday) would make the Cubs better, even if they continue to pitch the way they have this season.
And that is a sobering thought.
That is the exact opposite of a sobering thought. That makes me want to drink until I crank out the Cyndi Lauper.
Well, the sobriety is the inciting incident for the drunkenness.
Also...so you want to drink 2 My Tais?
It was five shots of Jameson and three shots of....well, whatever it was, it was red.
Grenadine?
The blood of Kevin Hart's cutter's victims?
Cherry jello shots? Beet juice and goldschlagger shots? Clamato and peach schnapps shots?
Red Headed Sluts.
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.stylelist.com/media/2008/10/christina-hendricks-sexy-smokey-dress.jpg)
I bet that her hair color isn't real.
I bet I don't care. :D
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rotoworld.
Season savior alert!
"Diamondbacks released RHP Bob Howry.
Not a great showing from the right-handed setup man in Arizona. Howry inked a one-year, $2 million contract this offseason -- and will probably get to keep all of it -- but allowed a ridiculous 17 earned runs in 20 1/3 innings for the Diamondbacks this season. He packed his things Monday. Still, we'd bet that his 1.15 WHIP from last year will land him a shot elsewhere. "
Honestly, Bob Howry and/or Chad Go-Dan (DFA'd by the A's yesterday) would make the Cubs better, even if they continue to pitch the way they have this season.
And that is a sobering thought.
That is the exact opposite of a sobering thought. That makes me want to drink until I crank out the Cyndi Lauper.
Well, the sobriety is the inciting incident for the drunkenness.
Also...so you want to drink 2 My Tais?
It was five shots of Jameson and three shots of....well, whatever it was, it was red.
Grenadine?
The blood of Kevin Hart's cutter's victims?
Cherry jello shots? Beet juice and goldschlagger shots? Clamato and peach schnapps shots?
Red Headed Sluts.
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.stylelist.com/media/2008/10/christina-hendricks-sexy-smokey-dress.jpg)
I bet that her hair color isn't real.
I bet I don't care. :D
This entire 8th inning is... is... something. I love her.
Lou in tonight's postgame presser:
"We're going to change Zambrano's role, stretch him out a bit more...from short to longer. Build up some arm strength and stamina."
When asked about the rotation, he denied that was what was happening. Big Z the long reliever?
Quote from: morpheus on May 17, 2010, 10:37:31 PM
Lou in tonight's postgame presser:
"We're going to change Zambrano's role, stretch him out a bit more...from short to longer. Build up some arm strength and stamina."
When asked about the rotation, he denied that was what was happening. Big Z the long reliever?
Well, they
have been in some blowouts lately. It's like the old saying, "If you don't want pay your ace pitcher to be your ace pitcher, then you can always use him in a mop-up role."
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Quote from: morpheus on May 17, 2010, 10:37:31 PM
Lou in tonight's postgame presser:
"We're going to change Zambrano's role, stretch him out a bit more...from short to longer. Build up some arm strength and stamina."
When asked about the rotation, he denied that was what was happening. Big Z the long reliever?
Well, they have been in some blowouts lately. It's like the old saying, "If you don't want pay your ace pitcher to be your ace pitcher, then you can always use him in a mop-up role."
I don't think I've ever heard tha—
Oh.
I see.
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from short to longer
Can't imagine why.
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from short to longer
Can't imagine why.
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Just stay away from her sans-makeup face.
FYC.
She has two asses.
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She has two asses.
What a coincidence! We have Chuck and Pen.
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Quote from: morpheus on May 17, 2010, 10:37:31 PM
Lou in tonight's postgame presser:
"We're going to change Zambrano's role, stretch him out a bit more...from short to longer. Build up some arm strength and stamina."
When asked about the rotation, he denied that was what was happening. Big Z the long reliever?
Well, they have been in some blowouts lately. It's like the old saying, "If you don't want pay your ace pitcher to be your ace pitcher, then you can always use him in a mop-up role."
An $18 million dollar mop up man. Your 2010 Chicago Cubs!
Per Len and Borb on the broadcast tonight: Brown Spot Bob returns.
Hop on that Big Blue Train, octaroons.
I fucking hate Jon Gay-Blow.
Quote from: Bonk on May 19, 2010, 08:19:49 PM
I fucking hate Jon Gay-Blow.
What have I ever done to you?
Oh,
that Jon Gay-Blow.
Marmot with the let's-scare-the-shit-out-everyone-before-settling-down-and-making-awesome-happen save.
What was up with his mechanics tonight? I've seen less jerkiness from an arm motion when I watch porn.
Quote from: Bonk on May 19, 2010, 08:58:56 PM
Marmot with the let's-scare-the-shit-out-everyone-before-settling-down-and-making-awesome-happen save.
What was up with his mechanics tonight? I've seen less jerkiness from an arm motion when I watch porn.
Pitching every day?
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Quote from: Bonk on May 19, 2010, 08:58:56 PM
Marmot with the let's-scare-the-shit-out-everyone-before-settling-down-and-making-awesome-happen save.
What was up with his mechanics tonight? I've seen less jerkiness from an arm motion when I watch porn.
Pitching every day?
Were you talking about Marmot or me?
Oy.
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/05/cubs-interested-in-signing-bobby-howry.html
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on May 20, 2010, 09:14:57 AM
Oy.
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/05/cubs-interested-in-signing-bobby-howry.html
I don't know why, but this makes me want to cry.
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I fucking hate Jon Gay-Blow.
What have I ever done to you?
Oh, that Jon Gay-Blow.
Why does Lou continue to use this shitheel in close games?
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I fucking hate Jon Gay-Blow.
What have I ever done to you?
Oh, that Jon Gay-Blow.
Why does Lou continue to use this shitheel in close games?
Were two more walks today a bad thing?
How come the Cubs can't score a run with a guy on third and zero outs?
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I fucking hate Jon Gay-Blow.
What have I ever done to you?
Oh, that Jon Gay-Blow.
Why does Lou continue to use this shitheel in close games?
I'm way more angry about 1st and 3rd with no outs than Grabass.
How do you fuck that up? Aramis Ramirez is a real piece of shit.
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I fucking hate Jon Gay-Blow.
What have I ever done to you?
Oh, that Jon Gay-Blow.
Why does Lou continue to use this shitheel in close games?
Were two more walks today a bad thing?
How come the Cubs can't score a run with a guy on third and zero outs?
I'll take the blame for the Castro strikeout after that ill-advised post about his K/BB ratio.
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Quote from: Bonk on May 19, 2010, 08:19:49 PM
I fucking hate Jon Gay-Blow.
What have I ever done to you?
Oh, that Jon Gay-Blow.
Why does Lou continue to use this shitheel in close games?
I'm way more angry about 1st and 3rd with no outs than Grabass.
How do you fuck that up? Aramis Ramirez is a real piece of shit.
Really? Has it come to this.
This is sad day.
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Quote from: Bonk on May 19, 2010, 08:19:49 PM
I fucking hate Jon Gay-Blow.
What have I ever done to you?
Oh, that Jon Gay-Blow.
Why does Lou continue to use this shitheel in close games?
I'm way more angry about 1st and 3rd with no outs than Grabass.
How do you fuck that up? Aramis Ramirez is a real piece of shit.
Really? Has it come to this.
This is sad day.
He looked feeble at the plate. Feeble. More feeble than the 74 year old pitcher he was facing.
So has Howry been signed? Or did they call somebody up from Iowa to replace Smilin'
Quote from: Armchair_QB on May 20, 2010, 05:44:12 PM
So has Howry been signed? Or did they call somebody up from Iowa to replace Smilin'
They called up Stevens yesterday when Caridad was placed on the DL.
Howry not yet signed, remains imminent.
As much as the bullpen has sucked, the Cubs would/could be within a game of .500 if Dempster didn't give up home runs like he's Ted Lilly it's the NLDS/his job.
For pitching as "well" as he has, he's given up definitely a few deep balls at horrible time.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 20, 2010, 05:59:35 PM
As much as the bullpen has sucked, the Cubs would/could be within a game of .500 if Dempster didn't give up home runs like he's Ted Lilly it's the NLDS/his job.
For pitching as "well" as he has, he's given up definitely a few deep balls at horrible time.
I can't stand Dempster, but this is just dumb.
Pitching to Rollins with two outs and 1st base empty: Why?
Grooving one when it's 3-0? WHY?
Using Grabow again... FUCKING KILL ME.
I think Lou needs to go home now. He needs a LONG nap.
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Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 20, 2010, 05:59:35 PM
As much as the bullpen has sucked, the Cubs would/could be within a game of .500 if Dempster didn't give up home runs like he's Ted Lilly it's the NLDS/his job.
For pitching as "well" as he has, he's given up definitely a few deep balls at horrible time.
I can't stand Dempster, but this is just dumb.
He should only give up home runs when the Cubs are winning by more runs than the amount of guys currently on base plus the batter.
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Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 20, 2010, 05:59:35 PM
As much as the bullpen has sucked, the Cubs would/could be within a game of .500 if Dempster didn't give up home runs like he's Ted Lilly it's the NLDS/his job.
For pitching as "well" as he has, he's given up definitely a few deep balls at horrible time.
I can't stand Dempster, but this is just dumb.
Or only when they have time to catch up.
He should only give up home runs when the Cubs are winning by more runs than the amount of guys currently on base plus the batter.
Quote from: MAD on May 20, 2010, 06:04:22 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 20, 2010, 05:59:35 PM
As much as the bullpen has sucked, the Cubs would/could be within a game of .500 if Dempster didn't give up home runs like he's Ted Lilly it's the NLDS/his job.
For pitching as "well" as he has, he's given up definitely a few deep balls at horrible time.
I can't stand Dempster, but this is just dumb.
You just don't get it, Huey. That Dempster loser, leading the rotation in IP and WHIP, he SUCKS.
Has CFiHP been right about anything, ever?
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Quote from: MAD on May 20, 2010, 06:04:22 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 20, 2010, 05:59:35 PM
As much as the bullpen has sucked, the Cubs would/could be within a game of .500 if Dempster didn't give up home runs like he's Ted Lilly it's the NLDS/his job.
For pitching as "well" as he has, he's given up definitely a few deep balls at horrible time.
I can't stand Dempster, but this is just dumb.
You just don't get it, Huey. That Dempster loser, leading the rotation in IP and WHIP, he SUCKS.
Has CFiHP been right about anything, ever?
What does this have to do with Pittsburgh?
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/05/howry-joins-the-cubs.html (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/05/howry-joins-the-cubs.html)
Home run Howry officially back with Cubs.
Quote from: Waco Kid on May 21, 2010, 03:22:26 PM
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/05/howry-joins-the-cubs.html (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/05/howry-joins-the-cubs.html)
Home run Howry officially back with Cubs.
ZRHP?
Quote from: Kermit IV on May 21, 2010, 03:52:34 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on May 21, 2010, 03:22:26 PM
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/05/howry-joins-the-cubs.html (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/05/howry-joins-the-cubs.html)
Home run Howry officially back with Cubs.
ZRHP?
Is that like a zorsicorn?
Quote from: ChuckD on May 21, 2010, 07:16:16 PM
Quote from: Kermit IV on May 21, 2010, 03:52:34 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on May 21, 2010, 03:22:26 PM
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/05/howry-joins-the-cubs.html (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/05/howry-joins-the-cubs.html)
Home run Howry officially back with Cubs.
ZRHP?
Is that like a zorsicorn?
It's more like a ZIhatethisteam.
Quote from: Bort on May 21, 2010, 07:19:48 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 21, 2010, 07:16:16 PM
Quote from: Kermit IV on May 21, 2010, 03:52:34 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on May 21, 2010, 03:22:26 PM
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/05/howry-joins-the-cubs.html (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/05/howry-joins-the-cubs.html)
Home run Howry officially back with Cubs.
ZRHP?
Is that like a zorsicorn?
It's more like a ZIhatethisteam.
seam
Zambrano, Jackson, and Cashner, 6th inning to 8th inning in 2011! I'm sure moving their top 2 starting pitching prospects to the bullpen has nothing to do with Hendry trying to keep his job.
http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2010/05/26/cashner-quickest-route-to-the-majors-might-be-the-pen/
Quote"We did the same experiment with Jay Jackson," Iowa pitching coach Mike Mason said. "Jackson passed, now it's Cashner's turn to see if he can acclimate to the bullpen."
Quote from: R-V on May 27, 2010, 08:52:00 AM
Zambrano, Jackson, and Cashner, 6th inning to 8th inning in 2011! I'm sure moving their top 2 starting pitching prospects to the bullpen has nothing to do with Hendry trying to keep his job.
http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2010/05/26/cashner-quickest-route-to-the-majors-might-be-the-pen/
Quote"We did the same experiment with Jay Jackson," Iowa pitching coach Mike Mason said. "Jackson passed, now it's Cashner's turn to see if he can acclimate to the bullpen."
Oh yeah. Jay Jackson. I remember him!
Wait...WHAT?
Quote from: R-V on May 27, 2010, 08:52:00 AM
Zambrano, Jackson, and Cashner, 6th inning to 8th inning in 2011! I'm sure moving their top 2 starting pitching prospects to the bullpen has nothing to do with Hendry trying to keep his job.
http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2010/05/26/cashner-quickest-route-to-the-majors-might-be-the-pen/
Quote"We did the same experiment with Jay Jackson," Iowa pitching coach Mike Mason said. "Jackson passed, now it's Cashner's turn to see if he can acclimate to the bullpen."
Just look at how the experiment worked for Samardija.
Wow - this is scary. I hope, for the sake of his career, that Andrew Cashner finds a way to get himself traded.
Quote from: Slaky on May 27, 2010, 09:19:59 AM
Wow - this is scary. I hope, for the sake of his career, that Andrew Cashner finds a way to get himself traded.
The fact that the little I've seen of him reminds me enough of a young Kerry Wood convinces me his arm will explode in three years, max.
Quote from: Fork on May 27, 2010, 09:24:24 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 27, 2010, 09:19:59 AM
Wow - this is scary. I hope, for the sake of his career, that Andrew Cashner finds a way to get himself traded.
The fact that the little I've seen of him reminds me enough of a young Kerry Wood convinces me his arm will explode in three years, max.
So the best hope for the number one pitching prospect in the org. is either to be traded or have an arm explosion. Go Cubs.
Yes, I'm completely ruling out major league success as a starter in a Cubs uniform.
Quote from: Slaky on May 27, 2010, 09:46:30 AM
Quote from: Fork on May 27, 2010, 09:24:24 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 27, 2010, 09:19:59 AM
Wow - this is scary. I hope, for the sake of his career, that Andrew Cashner finds a way to get himself traded.
The fact that the little I've seen of him reminds me enough of a young Kerry Wood convinces me his arm will explode in three years, max.
So the best hope for the number one pitching prospect in the org. is either to be traded or have an arm explosion. Go Cubs.
Yes, I'm completely ruling out major league success as a starter in a Cubs uniform.
All this dicking around with minor league pitchers is so dumb. This year's Cubs are not going to contend. Why mess with the development of your prospects in the hopes of staying in contention until August instead of July?
Quote from: R-V on May 27, 2010, 08:52:00 AM
Zambrano, Jackson, and Cashner, 6th inning to 8th inning in 2011! I'm sure moving their top 2 starting pitching prospects to the bullpen has nothing to do with Hendry trying to keep his job.
http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2010/05/26/cashner-quickest-route-to-the-majors-might-be-the-pen/
Quote"We did the same experiment with Jay Jackson," Iowa pitching coach Mike Mason said. "Jackson passed, now it's Cashner's turn to see if he can acclimate to the bullpen."
Wait, wasn't Cashner a closer in college? Then, the Cubs decided to stretch him out, right? Now, they want to put him back in the pen? Goddamn it.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 27, 2010, 10:17:49 AM
Quote from: R-V on May 27, 2010, 08:52:00 AM
Zambrano, Jackson, and Cashner, 6th inning to 8th inning in 2011! I'm sure moving their top 2 starting pitching prospects to the bullpen has nothing to do with Hendry trying to keep his job.
http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2010/05/26/cashner-quickest-route-to-the-majors-might-be-the-pen/
Quote"We did the same experiment with Jay Jackson," Iowa pitching coach Mike Mason said. "Jackson passed, now it's Cashner's turn to see if he can acclimate to the bullpen."
Wait, wasn't Cashner a closer in college? Then, the Cubs decided to stretch him out, right? Now, they want to put him back in the pen? Goddamn it.
Yup. He's got all of 175 innings logged as a starter since they drafted him. I see nothing that could possibly go wrong with putting him back in the bullpen.
Quote from: R-V on May 27, 2010, 10:20:06 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 27, 2010, 10:17:49 AM
Quote from: R-V on May 27, 2010, 08:52:00 AM
Zambrano, Jackson, and Cashner, 6th inning to 8th inning in 2011! I'm sure moving their top 2 starting pitching prospects to the bullpen has nothing to do with Hendry trying to keep his job.
http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2010/05/26/cashner-quickest-route-to-the-majors-might-be-the-pen/
Quote"We did the same experiment with Jay Jackson," Iowa pitching coach Mike Mason said. "Jackson passed, now it's Cashner's turn to see if he can acclimate to the bullpen."
Wait, wasn't Cashner a closer in college? Then, the Cubs decided to stretch him out, right? Now, they want to put him back in the pen? Goddamn it.
Yup. He's got all of 175 innings logged as a starter since they drafted him. I see nothing that could possibly go wrong with putting him back in the bullpen.
I can.
Quote from: R-V on May 27, 2010, 10:20:06 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 27, 2010, 10:17:49 AM
Quote from: R-V on May 27, 2010, 08:52:00 AM
Zambrano, Jackson, and Cashner, 6th inning to 8th inning in 2011! I'm sure moving their top 2 starting pitching prospects to the bullpen has nothing to do with Hendry trying to keep his job.
http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2010/05/26/cashner-quickest-route-to-the-majors-might-be-the-pen/
Quote"We did the same experiment with Jay Jackson," Iowa pitching coach Mike Mason said. "Jackson passed, now it's Cashner's turn to see if he can acclimate to the bullpen."
Wait, wasn't Cashner a closer in college? Then, the Cubs decided to stretch him out, right? Now, they want to put him back in the pen? Goddamn it.
Yup. He's got all of 175 innings logged as a starter since they drafted him. I see nothing that could possibly go wrong with putting him back in the bullpen.
I can't tell if you're green fonting me here, but this is what Cashner had to say about it:
"It surprised me when I first heard about it. I talked to (the Chicago Cubs) about going to relief a while back, but it was always their thought that I was going to start. Working out of the bullpen is something right now that excites me."
I guess he feels more comfortable pitching out of the pen. Regardless, this is just the Cubs trying to get his ass in Chicago with the quickness. At least to me it is.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 27, 2010, 11:10:58 AM
Quote from: R-V on May 27, 2010, 10:20:06 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 27, 2010, 10:17:49 AM
Quote from: R-V on May 27, 2010, 08:52:00 AM
Zambrano, Jackson, and Cashner, 6th inning to 8th inning in 2011! I'm sure moving their top 2 starting pitching prospects to the bullpen has nothing to do with Hendry trying to keep his job.
http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2010/05/26/cashner-quickest-route-to-the-majors-might-be-the-pen/
Quote"We did the same experiment with Jay Jackson," Iowa pitching coach Mike Mason said. "Jackson passed, now it's Cashner's turn to see if he can acclimate to the bullpen."
Wait, wasn't Cashner a closer in college? Then, the Cubs decided to stretch him out, right? Now, they want to put him back in the pen? Goddamn it.
Yup. He's got all of 175 innings logged as a starter since they drafted him. I see nothing that could possibly go wrong with putting him back in the bullpen.
I can't tell if you're green fonting me here, but this is what Cashner had to say about it:
"It surprised me when I first heard about it. I talked to (the Chicago Cubs) about going to relief a while back, but it was always their thought that I was going to start. Working out of the bullpen is something right now that excites me."
I guess he feels more comfortable pitching out of the pen. Regardless, this is just the Cubs trying to get his ass in Chicago with the quickness. At least to me it is.
No green font. If their ultimate goal here is to have him start, where he would have the most value, it doesn't make sense to put him back in the bullpen when he hasn't even had 200 innings to get comfortable as a starter. Ah who am I shitting, Hendry has no long term goals.
And I agree, they want him in the bullpen to SAVE THE SEASON.
Fuck it, if you've got a guy who would rather be thrown into the fire than start, that's something that can't be taught.
Quote from: Fork on May 27, 2010, 11:57:49 AM
Fuck it, if you've got a guy who would rather be thrown into the fire than start, that's something that can't be taught.
Seriously, guys like Eck and Smoltz who transitioned perfectly from starting to the pen were totally gutless until they weren't.
Quote from: PenPho on May 27, 2010, 12:13:40 PM
Quote from: Fork on May 27, 2010, 11:57:49 AM
Fuck it, if you've got a guy who would rather be thrown into the fire than start, that's something that can't be taught.
Seriously, guys like Eck and Smoltz who transitioned perfectly from starting to the pen were totally gutless until they weren't.
The Cubs' usual group of relievers have raisins in their nut sack. It might not even be rare in environs other than the North Side of Chicago. But it's rare here.
Quote from: Fork on May 27, 2010, 12:15:27 PM
Quote from: PenPho on May 27, 2010, 12:13:40 PM
Quote from: Fork on May 27, 2010, 11:57:49 AM
Fuck it, if you've got a guy who would rather be thrown into the fire than start, that's something that can't be taught.
Seriously, guys like Eck and Smoltz who transitioned perfectly from starting to the pen were totally gutless until they weren't.
The Cubs' usual group of relievers have raisins in their nut sack. It might not even be rare in environs other than the North Side of Chicago. But it's rare here.
This statement makes absolutely no sense. The "usual group of relievers" might be a bunch of talentless sucks, but most of them are/were at least dumb enough to be fearless. Remember Farnsworth?
Quote from: Kermit IV on May 27, 2010, 12:26:46 PM
Quote from: Fork on May 27, 2010, 12:15:27 PM
Quote from: PenPho on May 27, 2010, 12:13:40 PM
Quote from: Fork on May 27, 2010, 11:57:49 AM
Fuck it, if you've got a guy who would rather be thrown into the fire than start, that's something that can't be taught.
Seriously, guys like Eck and Smoltz who transitioned perfectly from starting to the pen were totally gutless until they weren't.
The Cubs' usual group of relievers have raisins in their nut sack. It might not even be rare in environs other than the North Side of Chicago. But it's rare here.
This statement makes absolutely no sense. The "usual group of relievers" might be a bunch of talentless sucks, but most of them are/were at least dumb enough to be fearless. Remember Farnsworth?
I blame every catcher Farnsworth ever had for not putting a sniper on the roof of Wrigley Field with orders to shoot ti kill whenever Farnsworth got the bright idea in his head of throwing a slider.
Quote from: Fork on May 27, 2010, 12:33:44 PM
Quote from: Kermit IV on May 27, 2010, 12:26:46 PM
Quote from: Fork on May 27, 2010, 12:15:27 PM
Quote from: PenPho on May 27, 2010, 12:13:40 PM
Quote from: Fork on May 27, 2010, 11:57:49 AM
Fuck it, if you've got a guy who would rather be thrown into the fire than start, that's something that can't be taught.
Seriously, guys like Eck and Smoltz who transitioned perfectly from starting to the pen were totally gutless until they weren't.
The Cubs' usual group of relievers have raisins in their nut sack. It might not even be rare in environs other than the North Side of Chicago. But it's rare here.
This statement makes absolutely no sense. The "usual group of relievers" might be a bunch of talentless sucks, but most of them are/were at least dumb enough to be fearless. Remember Farnsworth?
I blame every catcher Farnsworth ever had for not putting a sniper on the roof of Wrigley Field with orders to shoot ti kill whenever Farnsworth got the bright idea in his head of throwing a slider.
That's something that can't be taught.
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on May 27, 2010, 12:51:08 PM
Quote from: Fork on May 27, 2010, 12:33:44 PM
Quote from: Kermit IV on May 27, 2010, 12:26:46 PM
Quote from: Fork on May 27, 2010, 12:15:27 PM
Quote from: PenPho on May 27, 2010, 12:13:40 PM
Quote from: Fork on May 27, 2010, 11:57:49 AM
Fuck it, if you've got a guy who would rather be thrown into the fire than start, that's something that can't be taught.
Seriously, guys like Eck and Smoltz who transitioned perfectly from starting to the pen were totally gutless until they weren't.
The Cubs' usual group of relievers have raisins in their nut sack. It might not even be rare in environs other than the North Side of Chicago. But it's rare here.
This statement makes absolutely no sense. The "usual group of relievers" might be a bunch of talentless sucks, but most of them are/were at least dumb enough to be fearless. Remember Farnsworth?
I blame every catcher Farnsworth ever had for not putting a sniper on the roof of Wrigley Field with orders to shoot ti kill whenever Farnsworth got the bright idea in his head of throwing a slider.
That's something that can't be taught.
The hell it can't. (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/23-10/index.html)
Quote from: Fork on May 27, 2010, 11:57:49 AM
Fuck it, if you've got a guy who would rather be thrown into the fire than start, that's something that can't be taught.
How is pitching in the bullpen more of a "thrown into the fire" role than starting? Most relievers are failed starters.*
* Or, in the Cubs' case, successful starters with career 3.57 ERAs.
Quote from: Eli on May 27, 2010, 01:01:50 PM
Quote from: Fork on May 27, 2010, 11:57:49 AM
Fuck it, if you've got a guy who would rather be thrown into the fire than start, that's something that can't be taught.
How is pitching in the bullpen more of a "thrown into the fire" role than starting? Most relievers are failed starters.*
* Or, in the Cubs' case, successful starters with career 3.57 ERAs.
Can't you guys come up with something original to argue about? I feel like I'm watching an episode of Community here.
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on May 27, 2010, 12:57:12 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on May 27, 2010, 12:51:08 PM
Quote from: Fork on May 27, 2010, 12:33:44 PM
Quote from: Kermit IV on May 27, 2010, 12:26:46 PM
Quote from: Fork on May 27, 2010, 12:15:27 PM
Quote from: PenPho on May 27, 2010, 12:13:40 PM
Quote from: Fork on May 27, 2010, 11:57:49 AM
Fuck it, if you've got a guy who would rather be thrown into the fire than start, that's something that can't be taught.
Seriously, guys like Eck and Smoltz who transitioned perfectly from starting to the pen were totally gutless until they weren't.
The Cubs' usual group of relievers have raisins in their nut sack. It might not even be rare in environs other than the North Side of Chicago. But it's rare here.
This statement makes absolutely no sense. The "usual group of relievers" might be a bunch of talentless sucks, but most of them are/were at least dumb enough to be fearless. Remember Farnsworth?
I blame every catcher Farnsworth ever had for not putting a sniper on the roof of Wrigley Field with orders to shoot ti kill whenever Farnsworth got the bright idea in his head of throwing a slider.
That's something that can't be taught.
The hell it can't. (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/23-10/index.html)
(http://i.imgur.com/MlwMd.jpg)
"One shot, one kill."
Quote from: CT III on May 27, 2010, 01:10:13 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 27, 2010, 01:01:50 PM
Quote from: Fork on May 27, 2010, 11:57:49 AM
Fuck it, if you've got a guy who would rather be thrown into the fire than start, that's something that can't be taught.
How is pitching in the bullpen more of a "thrown into the fire" role than starting? Most relievers are failed starters.*
* Or, in the Cubs' case, successful starters with career 3.57 ERAs.
Can't you guys come up with something original to argue about? I feel like I'm watching an episode of Community here.
Fork is Pearce.
It gets even better...Jackson is moving BACK to the rotation (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/05/cashner-moves-to-bullpen-in-iowa.html) after pitching out of the pen for all of 2 weeks. This organization has ADD.
QuoteCashner will pitch one inning Thursday night and one inning Saturday before the Cubs decide what to do next. Jay Jackson, another starter who was switched to the bullpen, will move back into the Iowa rotation.
"The reasons are as follows," player development director Oneri Fleita said. "Jackson has had a chance he can throw out of the pen, and he did a great job. And now we'd like to know what Cashner can do out of the pen because these kids are young kids.
"They've pitched for two years and I'd hate to know that they (couldn't come) up here because we had a need for our bullpen."
Quote from: R-V on May 27, 2010, 01:46:34 PM
It gets even better...Jackson is moving BACK to the rotation (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/05/cashner-moves-to-bullpen-in-iowa.html) after pitching out of the pen for all of 2 weeks. This organization has ADD.
QuoteCashner will pitch one inning Thursday night and one inning Saturday before the Cubs decide what to do next. Jay Jackson, another starter who was switched to the bullpen, will move back into the Iowa rotation.
"The reasons are as follows," player development director Oneri Fleita said. "Jackson has had a chance he can throw out of the pen, and he did a great job. And now we'd like to know what Cashner can do out of the pen because these kids are young kids.
"They've pitched for two years and I'd hate to know that they (couldn't come) up here because we had a need for our bullpen."
Wut? There you have it, folks. These kids...they're young kids. So, them being young and kiddish is why we are earfucking them this year.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 27, 2010, 01:51:58 PM
These kids...they're young kids. So, them being young and kiddish is why we are earfucking them this year.
Kurt just got a boner in his jean shorts.
Quote from: CT III on May 27, 2010, 01:10:13 PM
Can't you guys come up with something original to argue about? I feel like I'm watching an episode of Community here.
I guess I'll just wait until IAN shows up and starts talking about Annie's boobs.
Quote from: Eli on May 27, 2010, 02:04:51 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 27, 2010, 01:10:13 PM
Can't you guys come up with something original to argue about? I feel like I'm watching an episode of Community here.
I guess I'll just wait until IAN shows up and starts talking about Annie's boobs.
You probably won't have to wait long.
Quote from: Eli on May 27, 2010, 02:04:51 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 27, 2010, 01:10:13 PM
Can't you guys come up with something original to argue about? I feel like I'm watching an episode of Community here.
I guess I'll just wait until IAN shows up and starts talking about Annie's boobs.
I'm kind of obsessed with Annie, too. I just don't express it as much as IAN does. He carries the workload for that.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 27, 2010, 01:51:58 PM
Quote from: R-V on May 27, 2010, 01:46:34 PM
It gets even better...Jackson is moving BACK to the rotation (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/05/cashner-moves-to-bullpen-in-iowa.html) after pitching out of the pen for all of 2 weeks. This organization has ADD.
QuoteCashner will pitch one inning Thursday night and one inning Saturday before the Cubs decide what to do next. Jay Jackson, another starter who was switched to the bullpen, will move back into the Iowa rotation.
"The reasons are as follows," player development director Oneri Fleita said. "Jackson has had a chance he can throw out of the pen, and he did a great job. And now we'd like to know what Cashner can do out of the pen because these kids are young kids.
"They've pitched for two years and I'd hate to know that they (couldn't come) up here because we had a need for our bullpen."
Wut? There you have it, folks. These kids...they're young kids. So, them being young and kiddish is why we are earfucking them this year.
I think it's easy to overrate the effects of moving pitchers back and forth between the bullpen and starting. Sure there's a big difference in preparing for each role, but at some point, pitching is pitching- if Cashner and/or Jackson are the best available pitchers, then get them ready for the role and bring em up. And if they can't hack it in the big leagues long-term, it likely will be because they weren't good enough for either role, and not because they were jerked around.
Quote from: motown on May 27, 2010, 02:25:06 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 27, 2010, 01:51:58 PM
Quote from: R-V on May 27, 2010, 01:46:34 PM
It gets even better...Jackson is moving BACK to the rotation (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/05/cashner-moves-to-bullpen-in-iowa.html) after pitching out of the pen for all of 2 weeks. This organization has ADD.
QuoteCashner will pitch one inning Thursday night and one inning Saturday before the Cubs decide what to do next. Jay Jackson, another starter who was switched to the bullpen, will move back into the Iowa rotation.
"The reasons are as follows," player development director Oneri Fleita said. "Jackson has had a chance he can throw out of the pen, and he did a great job. And now we'd like to know what Cashner can do out of the pen because these kids are young kids.
"They've pitched for two years and I'd hate to know that they (couldn't come) up here because we had a need for our bullpen."
Wut? There you have it, folks. These kids...they're young kids. So, them being young and kiddish is why we are earfucking them this year.
I think it's easy to overrate the effects of moving pitchers back and forth between the bullpen and starting. Sure there's a big difference in preparing for each role, but at some point, pitching is pitching- if Cashner and/or Jackson are the best available pitchers, then get them ready for the role and bring em up. And if they can't hack it in the big leagues long-term, it likely will be because they weren't good enough for either role, and not because they were jerked around.
shit just got realz.
Great news!
"David Patton, who was designated for assignment when the Cubs had to make room for Bob Howry, has cleared waivers and re-signed with the Cubs, according to MLB.com's Carrie Muskat (via Twitter)."
It doesn't matter how dumb something I can say looks in retrospect (I don't even have drinking as an excuse), the fact that the Cubs can always swoop in and say or do something dumber is a source of comfort.
Quote from: Fork on May 27, 2010, 03:01:16 PM
It doesn't matter how dumb something I can say looks in retrospect (I don't even have drinking as an excuse), the fact that the Cubs can always swoop in and say or do something dumber is a source of comfort.
Those are about the lowest standards you can have.
Quote from: PenPho on May 27, 2010, 03:16:15 PM
Quote from: Fork on May 27, 2010, 03:01:16 PM
It doesn't matter how dumb something I can say looks in retrospect (I don't even have drinking as an excuse), the fact that the Cubs can always swoop in and say or do something dumber is a source of comfort.
Those are about the lowest standards you can have.
Hey, when you shank one as bad as I did earlier, you can't be fussy.
Quote from: PenPho on May 27, 2010, 12:13:40 PM
Quote from: Fork on May 27, 2010, 11:57:49 AM
Fuck it, if you've got a guy who would rather be thrown into the fire than start, that's something that can't be taught.
Seriously, guys like Eck and Smoltz who transitioned perfectly from starting to the pen were totally gutless until they weren't.
THI. I don't think it's harmful to move a guy back and forth between starter and reliever. Not as much as moving him to a level he's not ready for. That was the problem with Samardjiza. His offspeed stuff wasn't even close to Major League ready. However, if you move a starter to the pen and suspend his use of his third or fourth pitch, you may require additional seasoning (Spring Training? AFL?) to recalibrate if you decide to move him back. But I don't know if that even matters. Most good starters use their third pitch about what, five times a game?
EDIT: If you missed the larger point, it's probably because this post was horribly written.
Quote from: Internet Apex on May 27, 2010, 06:01:23 PM
Most good starters use their third pitch about what, five times a game?
Since I like answering rhetorical questions and missing the larger point of people's posts, here are some top starters and their percentage of pitches thrown:
Lincecum: 53% fastball, 24% change, 13% curveball
Halladay: 39% fastball, 33% cutter, 14% curveball
Greinke: 63% fastball, 17% slider, 11% change
Jimenez: 59% fastball, 17% change, 14% slider
Verlander: 62% fastball, 19% curveball, 14% change
So, two points -- 1.) looks like top pitchers will generally throw their third pitch about 15 times per game and 2.) Tim Lincecum throws a whole lot of changeups.
Quote from: Eli on May 27, 2010, 10:08:37 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on May 27, 2010, 06:01:23 PM
Most good starters use their third pitch about what, five times a game?
Since I like answering rhetorical questions and missing the larger point of people's posts, here are some top starters and their percentage of pitches thrown:
Lincecum: 53% fastball, 24% change, 13% curveball
Halladay: 39% fastball, 33% cutter, 14% curveball
Greinke: 63% fastball, 17% slider, 11% change
Jimenez: 59% fastball, 17% change, 14% slider
Verlander: 62% fastball, 19% curveball, 14% change
So, two points -- 1.) looks like top pitchers will generally throw their third pitch about 15 times per game and 2.) Tim Lincecum throws a whole lot of changeups.
Thank you for this.
So who goes to the bullpen?
Wells or GorzawhatshisfuckCHUNKBABYRUUUTH?
Quote from: powen01 on May 28, 2010, 04:32:42 PM
So who goes to the bullpen?
Wells or GorzawhatshisfuckCHUNKBABYRUUUTH?
3. Silva.
He's been way better than expected, but he still deserves to go to the pen.
Quote from: Internet Apex on May 27, 2010, 11:46:11 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 27, 2010, 10:08:37 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on May 27, 2010, 06:01:23 PM
Most good starters use their third pitch about what, five times a game?
Since I like answering rhetorical questions and missing the larger point of people's posts, here are some top starters and their percentage of pitches thrown:
Lincecum: 53% fastball, 24% change, 13% curveball
Halladay: 39% fastball, 33% cutter, 14% curveball
Greinke: 63% fastball, 17% slider, 11% change
Jimenez: 59% fastball, 17% change, 14% slider
Verlander: 62% fastball, 19% curveball, 14% change
So, two points -- 1.) looks like top pitchers will generally throw their third pitch about 15 times per game and 2.) Tim Lincecum throws a whole lot of changeups.
Thank you for this.
I find it interesting that none of these add up to 100%. It raises an infinte number of questions.
Quote from: PenPho on May 28, 2010, 04:37:41 PM
Quote from: powen01 on May 28, 2010, 04:32:42 PM
So who goes to the bullpen?
Wells or GorzawhatshisfuckCHUNKBABYRUUUTH?
3. Silva.
He's been way better than expected, but he still deserves to go to the pen.
Why?
Quote from: Armchair_QB on May 28, 2010, 06:01:21 PM
Quote from: PenPho on May 28, 2010, 04:37:41 PM
Quote from: powen01 on May 28, 2010, 04:32:42 PM
So who goes to the bullpen?
Wells or GorzawhatshisfuckCHUNKBABYRUUUTH?
3. Silva.
He's been way better than expected, but he still deserves to go to the pen.
Why?
Because "better than expected" is not the same thing as "better than the other starters."
Stats-wise, Silva has the highest FIP among current Cubs starters at 4.19 (http://www.fangraphs.com/winss.aspx?team=Cubs&pos=all&stats=sta&qual=0&type=1&season=2010&month=0). And his BABIP of .281 suggests he's been luckier than two of the three starters with higher ERAs than him—Gorzelanny (.341) and Wells (.326)—and may be due for a correction.
The third starter with a higher ERA than Silva is Ted Lilly. Lilly is also the only Cubs starter currently valued less than Silva by Fangraphs' WAR rating (http://www.fangraphs.com/winss.aspx?team=Cubs&pos=all&stats=pit&qual=0&type=6&season=2010&month=0), due mostly to having pitched 9 fewer innings. (Note that Gorzelanny is currently number 1 in WAR.) But you're not moving Theodore to the bullpen without first fleeing the country with armed escort.
I'd actually like to see Grabow moved to the rotation.
Then we won't have to watch him come out of the fucking bullpen anymore...
Quote from: Armchair_QB on May 28, 2010, 08:27:42 PM
I'd actually like to see Grabow moved to the rotation.
Then we won't have to watch him come out of the fucking bullpen anymore...
Who's rotation? The Cardinals'? Yes.
Quote from: CBStew on May 28, 2010, 04:46:00 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on May 27, 2010, 11:46:11 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 27, 2010, 10:08:37 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on May 27, 2010, 06:01:23 PM
Most good starters use their third pitch about what, five times a game?
Since I like answering rhetorical questions and missing the larger point of people's posts, here are some top starters and their percentage of pitches thrown:
Lincecum: 53% fastball, 24% change, 13% curveball
Halladay: 39% fastball, 33% cutter, 14% curveball
Greinke: 63% fastball, 17% slider, 11% change
Jimenez: 59% fastball, 17% change, 14% slider
Verlander: 62% fastball, 19% curveball, 14% change
So, two points -- 1.) looks like top pitchers will generally throw their third pitch about 15 times per game and 2.) Tim Lincecum throws a whole lot of changeups.
Thank you for this.
I find it interesting that none of these add up to 100%. It raises an infinte number of questions.
Most pitchers have a fourth pitch they throw as well. For the sake of Apex's question, I just listed each pitcher's top three offerings.
Quote from: Eli on May 28, 2010, 11:27:41 PM
Quote from: CBStew on May 28, 2010, 04:46:00 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on May 27, 2010, 11:46:11 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 27, 2010, 10:08:37 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on May 27, 2010, 06:01:23 PM
Most good starters use their third pitch about what, five times a game?
Since I like answering rhetorical questions and missing the larger point of people's posts, here are some top starters and their percentage of pitches thrown:
Lincecum: 53% fastball, 24% change, 13% curveball
Halladay: 39% fastball, 33% cutter, 14% curveball
Greinke: 63% fastball, 17% slider, 11% change
Jimenez: 59% fastball, 17% change, 14% slider
Verlander: 62% fastball, 19% curveball, 14% change
So, two points -- 1.) looks like top pitchers will generally throw their third pitch about 15 times per game and 2.) Tim Lincecum throws a whole lot of changeups.
Thank you for this.
I find it interesting that none of these add up to 100%. It raises an infinte number of questions.
Most pitchers have a fourth pitch they throw as well. For the sake of Apex's question, I just listed each pitcher's top three offerings.
I think some pitches go as undetermined/undefined, also.
Quote from: Shooter on May 29, 2010, 01:05:52 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 28, 2010, 11:27:41 PM
Quote from: CBStew on May 28, 2010, 04:46:00 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on May 27, 2010, 11:46:11 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 27, 2010, 10:08:37 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on May 27, 2010, 06:01:23 PM
Most good starters use their third pitch about what, five times a game?
Since I like answering rhetorical questions and missing the larger point of people's posts, here are some top starters and their percentage of pitches thrown:
Lincecum: 53% fastball, 24% change, 13% curveball
Halladay: 39% fastball, 33% cutter, 14% curveball
Greinke: 63% fastball, 17% slider, 11% change
Jimenez: 59% fastball, 17% change, 14% slider
Verlander: 62% fastball, 19% curveball, 14% change
So, two points -- 1.) looks like top pitchers will generally throw their third pitch about 15 times per game and 2.) Tim Lincecum throws a whole lot of changeups.
Thank you for this.
I find it interesting that none of these add up to 100%. It raises an infinte number of questions.
Most pitchers have a fourth pitch they throw as well. For the sake of Apex's question, I just listed each pitcher's top three offerings.
I think some pitches go as undetermined/undefined, also.
"You put
snot on the ball?"
Grabow is horseshit. Nice choice, Jim.
Quote from: Day Man on May 30, 2010, 04:04:11 PM
Grabow is horseshit. Nice choice, Jim.
Pujols shouldn't get credit for a three-homer game because the third one didn't come off of a major league pitcher.
It might be fun to note that, for a combined expenditure of almost $35 million dollars over the past two years, the Cubs have gotten:
Jeff Smardizjia
John Grabow
Kevin Gregg
Neal Cotts
Luis Vizcaino
Aaron Heilman
Nothing like going with the "proven veterans" in the pen.
Old news but Grabow to DL and Cashner is up. This works for me.
Quote from: Slaky on May 31, 2010, 12:16:53 PM
Old news but Grabow to DL and Cashner is up. This works for me.
I didn't realize you could DL somebody for sucking.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on May 31, 2010, 12:18:26 PM
Quote from: Slaky on May 31, 2010, 12:16:53 PM
Old news but Grabow to DL and Cashner is up. This works for me.
I didn't realize you could DL somebody for sucking.
(||)
Quote from: Internet Apex on May 28, 2010, 10:18:14 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on May 28, 2010, 08:27:42 PM
I'd actually like to see Grabow moved to the rotation.
Then we won't have to watch him come out of the fucking bullpen anymore...
Who's rotation? The Cardinals'? Yes.
No one made a death sentence joke? For shame.
When does $ner get his sploogarama thread?
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 01, 2010, 09:20:53 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on May 28, 2010, 10:18:14 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on May 28, 2010, 08:27:42 PM
I'd actually like to see Grabow moved to the rotation.
Then we won't have to watch him come out of the fucking bullpen anymore...
Who's rotation? The Cardinals'? Yes.
No one made a death sentence joke? For shame.
When does $ner get his sploogarama thread?
Yeah, someone needs to cowboy up and get that rolling.