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Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2013, 09:45:22 AM
I will say that my faith in Emery will waiver a bit after this year if he keeps up this "Shea is a 3-down DE" farce. A big part of being a good GM is knowing when to admit you fucked up and move on.

But they certainly won't just cut him, will they?  If he is still here next year, and not playing on the line, what is his position?  Linebacker?

Quote from: Eli on November 19, 2013, 12:33:13 PM

Quote from: Tony on November 19, 2013, 12:19:13 PM
Is it so hard to just be happy about a back-up QB playing well? Why do all the meatballs have to take it too far?

Probably because they haven't had a chance to see the backup QB fail. I think it's closely related to overrating prospects in baseball (who we haven't seen suck yet), which is odd because backup-QB-loving meatballs fans are usually entirely separate from the kind of fans who are informed about prospects.

Maybe we're all stupid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recency_effect#Recency_effect

Quote from: Brownie on November 15, 2013, 12:12:34 PM

Quote from: Tony on November 15, 2013, 11:59:17 AM

Quote from: Gilgamesh on November 15, 2013, 11:32:07 AM

Quote from: PenFoe on November 15, 2013, 11:03:20 AM

Quote from: Gilgamesh on November 15, 2013, 10:59:29 AM

Quote from: Internet Apex on November 12, 2013, 09:41:28 AM
I thought that you could sign a person to a more cap friendly deal if you added some years and spread the damage rather than 14-16 MM against the cap with the franchise tag. And they need a lot of cap space to spare. That was my thought. And I thought Cutler would probably be open to such an arrangement. If this is wrong, I apologize.

But I thought that was what the Cowboys did with Romo. And everybody saw the total dollars on the contract and freaked out but upon inspection it was a good deal for both parties.

$14-16 million against the cap?  I think it'd be near $19 million.

The franchise tag averages the top 5 salaries at the player's position, and last I checked QBs get paid somewhat handsomely.

But the question that I have is, assuming the Bears offered Cutler a middling-type offer (like 4 years, $60MM, $25MM bonus) and he decides to look elsewhere, what team is going to be crazy enough to throw $100 or $110MM at him?

Jacksonville?

Jacksonville's getting a top 2 pick in the draft, they're not taking Cutler over Teddy Bridgewater.  

No chance in hell.  

I suppose Minnesota could make an offer, but I doubt they'd be able to offer more than the Bears.

Plus, why would he want to play for Minnesota?

I think it's going to be tough for Cutler, seeing as this is probably going to be his last big money contract, but the teams that could offer to fork up that money are not going to be the most desirable cities.

Would Arizona or Texas want Cutler?

Houston seems like the best fit. Where else could he go that has a decent team and doesn't have a young QB they've committed to? Arizona, Cleveland, Minnesota, Tennessee... meh.

Titans or Jacksonville (if they bite the bullet and move to LA) might be where he'd be open to going for less.

But if he gets  a 3 or 4 year deal for non-insulting money with the Bears, why not stay? He has a foundation of an O-line, finally. He'll have Brandon Marshall to throw to, not to mention Marty B. and Alshon Jeffrey. If Forte has a couple more good years in him, he'll be as set up to succeed here than anywhere else.

Not to turn away from the Cutler topic, but I sincerely doubt that LA will ever get another NFL team.

I think the situation of having LA sans NFL is more profitable to the current owners than if they had a team in place.  Without a team there, every owner who wants more public money for stadiums or something extra from a TV deal or whatever business arrangement can just threaten to move to LA, forcing the other side to cave.

Quote from: PenFoe on November 15, 2013, 11:03:20 AM

Quote from: Gilgamesh on November 15, 2013, 10:59:29 AM

Quote from: Internet Apex on November 12, 2013, 09:41:28 AM
I thought that you could sign a person to a more cap friendly deal if you added some years and spread the damage rather than 14-16 MM against the cap with the franchise tag. And they need a lot of cap space to spare. That was my thought. And I thought Cutler would probably be open to such an arrangement. If this is wrong, I apologize.

But I thought that was what the Cowboys did with Romo. And everybody saw the total dollars on the contract and freaked out but upon inspection it was a good deal for both parties.

$14-16 million against the cap?  I think it'd be near $19 million.

The franchise tag averages the top 5 salaries at the player's position, and last I checked QBs get paid somewhat handsomely.

But the question that I have is, assuming the Bears offered Cutler a middling-type offer (like 4 years, $60MM, $25MM bonus) and he decides to look elsewhere, what team is going to be crazy enough to throw $100 or $110MM at him?

Jacksonville?

Jacksonville's getting a top 2 pick in the draft, they're not taking Cutler over Teddy Bridgewater. 

No chance in hell. 

I suppose Minnesota could make an offer, but I doubt they'd be able to offer more than the Bears.

Plus, why would he want to play for Minnesota?

I think it's going to be tough for Cutler, seeing as this is probably going to be his last big money contract, but the teams that could offer to fork up that money are not going to be the most desirable cities.

Would Arizona or Texas want Cutler?

Quote from: Internet Apex on November 12, 2013, 09:41:28 AM
I thought that you could sign a person to a more cap friendly deal if you added some years and spread the damage rather than 14-16 MM against the cap with the franchise tag. And they need a lot of cap space to spare. That was my thought. And I thought Cutler would probably be open to such an arrangement. If this is wrong, I apologize.

But I thought that was what the Cowboys did with Romo. And everybody saw the total dollars on the contract and freaked out but upon inspection it was a good deal for both parties.

$14-16 million against the cap?  I think it'd be near $19 million.

The franchise tag averages the top 5 salaries at the player's position, and last I checked QBs get paid somewhat handsomely.

But the question that I have is, assuming the Bears offered Cutler a middling-type offer (like 4 years, $60MM, $25MM bonus) and he decides to look elsewhere, what team is going to be crazy enough to throw $100 or $110MM at him?

Jacksonville?

Quote from: Internet Apex on November 13, 2013, 12:07:59 PM

Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 13, 2013, 11:40:29 AM

Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 13, 2013, 11:23:57 AM
I know the Pro Bowl doesn't really mean anything, but the fact that it took as long as it did for Peanut to finally make one is enough to make me run through a brick wall.  Figuratively.

What can you say? BC and FroDog have a lot of pull with Pro Bowl voters.

I still don't really know what that perennial snub was all about. Maybe voters saw him as a Cover-2 corner who didn't have to do much but sit back, wait for guys to catch the ball and then knock their balls out for them. Oh and also help out against the run. And if it's not too much trouble, take the biggest, baddest, strongest receivers in the history of the game and dong-whip the shit out of them until they cry and just forego the formalities by avoiding the ball altogether. Nevermind that the rules regarding pass defense make the shut-down corner in the traditional sense a non-thing.

Or maybe he was overshadowed by more famous teammates like Urlacher, Briggs, Peppers, Tommie Harris and Mike Brown. The Vasher selection in 2005 was horse shit though. Horse shit.

At least the world now knows what the fuck the deal was. And I take great pride in the part I had to play in that cultural awakening.

As much as I like Tillman, I think I like the phrase "dongwhip" even more.

Quote from: Bort on November 13, 2013, 12:05:47 PM

Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 13, 2013, 10:03:58 AM

Quote from: Internet Apex on November 13, 2013, 09:59:58 AM
I always thought it was a Buttpuddle(s) thing but they do it up here just as much if not more. Down there I think it is more about making it possessive than plural, like you're going to Panera's establishment to get some of their sandwiches and shit.

That's the way I've always interpreted it up here, too. "Jewel's".

Thirded. And I used to assume it was a southern thing until I got here and heard it too.

I think what's even weirder is how some words are never singularized or pluralized, despite the fact that other similar company names do get altered.  For example, I don't think I've ever heard someone say "Dominick" or "Walgreen."

I'm trying to think of a few more...probably McDonald's and maybe Starbucks.

Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 12, 2013, 05:45:08 PM

Quote from: PANK! on November 12, 2013, 05:18:42 PM

Quote from: CBStew on November 12, 2013, 03:58:54 PM
Mark Grace.  He served his time.

I'm fine with Grace.  I'm sure he'd love a chance to move back to Lincoln Park and not have to worry about driving to work.  Of course I'm always partial to DAY VOTTO but I'm pretty sure his best chance was when he lost out to Moreland.  I'll be driven to PANKRAGE if it's Hollandsowrth or DeRosa (I'm not even considering that muppet Theriot as a serious contender).

If they decide they're going to hire Grace, wouldn't he insist on the TV job?  Would he prefer a TV job elsewhere over the Cubs' radio job?  And aside from what Grace would want, wouldn't the Cubs rather pair him with Len anyway for what I assume he'd be making?

If he chose the radio gig, he could still come in to work relatively shit-faced and/or hungover and only acute listeners would be able to pick up on it.

Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 01:31:40 PM

Quote from: Gilgamesh on November 12, 2013, 01:17:45 PM

Quote from: CT III on November 12, 2013, 10:15:30 AM

Quote from: R-V on November 12, 2013, 09:18:46 AM
Is there a bigger asshole around than Richard Cohen?

QuoteToday's GOP is not racist, as Harry Belafonte alleged about the tea party, but it is deeply troubled — about the expansion of government, about immigration, about secularism, about the mainstreaming of what used to be the avant-garde. People with conventional views must repress a gag reflex when considering the mayor-elect of New York — a white man married to a black woman and with two biracial children. (Should I mention that Bill de Blasio's wife, Chirlane McCray, used to be a lesbian?) This family represents the cultural changes that have enveloped parts — but not all — of America. To cultural conservatives, this doesn't look like their country at all.

You can't "own" a country, man. 

I was going to come on here and comment on this, but I'm glad to see RV has already done so.

I don't know how one goes from this rather unsupported premise to this completely ass-backward and insulting conclusion.  Is "people with conventional views" supposed to mean people who are concerned about the very things that he divined or is he using some other definition?

Aside from its offensiveness, it doesn't even make fucking sense.

Plus, people with these types of "conventional views" will also refer to anyone named Cohen as "east coast elite".

And here's Slate in time to completely miss the point *and* liberally toss around the racist label: http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2013/11/12/richard_cohen_s_racist_interracial_marriage_gag_column_analyzing_conventions.html

Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 12, 2013, 11:00:50 AM

Quote from: Slaky on November 12, 2013, 10:45:22 AM

Quote from: Yeti on November 12, 2013, 10:25:11 AM
Slak putting the (s) on Kerry's last name reminded me of that tendency of people to pluralize last names, and I'm still baffled as to why that is. I had a principal in HS named Mr. Rigg and people called him Riggs all the time. Alshon has became Alshons (ok, it's been Jefferys). Is there an actual reason to this shit, or is it just "dumb people being dumb"?

Soldiers Field?

Yeah it's people being dumb.

My last name does not end with S.  Throughout my dad's life and now mine, people add the S anyway.  Firebarns them all.

Intrepid Reader: Harry S Truman - "TELL ME ABOUT IT!!!!!"

Quote from: CT III on November 12, 2013, 10:15:30 AM

Quote from: R-V on November 12, 2013, 09:18:46 AM
Is there a bigger asshole around than Richard Cohen?

QuoteToday's GOP is not racist, as Harry Belafonte alleged about the tea party, but it is deeply troubled — about the expansion of government, about immigration, about secularism, about the mainstreaming of what used to be the avant-garde. People with conventional views must repress a gag reflex when considering the mayor-elect of New York — a white man married to a black woman and with two biracial children. (Should I mention that Bill de Blasio's wife, Chirlane McCray, used to be a lesbian?) This family represents the cultural changes that have enveloped parts — but not all — of America. To cultural conservatives, this doesn't look like their country at all.

You can't "own" a country, man. 

I was going to come on here and comment on this, but I'm glad to see RV has already done so.

I don't know how one goes from this rather unsupported premise to this completely ass-backward and insulting conclusion.  Is "people with conventional views" supposed to mean people who are concerned about the very things that he divined or is he using some other definition?

Aside from its offensiveness, it doesn't even make fucking sense.

Quote from: PANK! on October 23, 2013, 10:47:45 AM
My Colt

That should only be used in a sentence if you conclude it thusly: "...Python is the best damned thing ever."

Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 21, 2013, 10:05:58 AM

Quote from: CBStew on October 21, 2013, 09:11:17 AM

Quote from: Bort on October 20, 2013, 01:05:28 PM

Quote from: Tonker on October 20, 2013, 01:03:26 PM

Quote from: Eli on October 20, 2013, 10:55:48 AM

Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 20, 2013, 12:13:02 AM
What's the best-case scenario for the upcoming World Series of Insufferability, besides a disaster destroying both teams and their awful fans? Who should I be rooting for here.

Still the Red Sox.

Yeah, this.  Apart from the Cubs (ha ha), I'd like to see Oakland, Baltimore or KC take home the World Series.  If it's not going to be one of them, though, then as long as it's not the Tards or the White Sox who win it all, I can simply ignore the winner and I'm happy enough.

I know about 5 decent Red Sox fans, so that eases the irritation. The remaining 50 or so Red Sox fans I know can fuck off, though.

One of my law partners has a picture of Ted williams in his office.  I have one of Hank Sauer, and another with Andy Pafko, Bill Nicolson and Peanuts Lowery, in my office.  So who am I to talk?

I don't have an office yet, but if and when I do, it's gonna be wall-to-wall DeRosa, Theriot, Campana, Kerry Wood, and all the other gritty non-GLOREE BOYS that a way everyone knows I luh ma KUBBEEZ.

I have an enduring and perpetual shrine to Todd Walker in my office.  It's conveniently placed near the thermostat.

Quote from: Internet Apex on October 17, 2013, 10:11:29 AM
DPD

I also enjoyed seeing Adrian Gonzalez make the "Micky Mouse" ears after the first of his two EMOTIONAL dong blasts yesterday. And then in the on-field postgame interview he told the report that he remembered the Cardinals blowing a 3-1 series lead last year and he "wanted to make that happen again."

He is now my second favorite player in all of baseball. After Puig.

I so very much like the term "dong blasts."

Quote from: Brownie on October 17, 2013, 09:49:43 AM

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Quote from: Brownie on October 17, 2013, 09:01:44 AM
(let's pass this in the early morning hours on Christmas Eve)

Just using an existing playbook.

Quote(Medicare D) came to a vote at 3 a.m. on November 22. After 45 minutes, the bill was losing, 219-215, with David Wu (D-OR-1) not voting. Speaker Dennis Hastert and Majority Leader Tom DeLay sought to convince some of dissenting Republicans to switch their votes, as they had in June. Istook, who had always been a wavering vote, consented quickly, producing a 218-216 tally. In a highly unusual move, the House leadership held the vote open for hours as they sought two more votes. Then-Representative Nick Smith (R-MI) claimed he was offered campaign funds for his son, who was running to replace him, in return for a change in his vote from "nay" to "yea." After controversy ensued, Smith clarified no explicit offer of campaign funds was made, but that he was offered "substantial and aggressive campaign support" which he had assumed included financial support.

$1 trillion in unfunded spending, ladies and germs!

Let's repeal them both!

I'm all for that. I'm not for someone who's in favor of repealing the one passed and signed into law by their opponent's party.

The next guy who says "Repeal and Replace Obamacare AND Medicare D" will be the first. And he'll get beat in his next election.

So, I'm unelectable? There goes your "Draft Brown for Illinois Governor' movement.

I'm fondly remembering a Congress that could trade things for votes on bills, like campaign donations and earmarks.

DATS HOW SHIT GOT DUN, MY FRENTS!!