That game was nuts.
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MODS! (http://desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=9329.msg313331#msg313331)
I'm no CT, but I feel as a former mod this is acceptable as I think it is kind of a desipio tradition to have one thread specifically for
Cubs playoff games and one thread for all of the others.
How many guys have been HOF players (Real HOF players, and not bullshit guys like Red Shoendienst) and good managers? Paul Molitor seems to be the exception to the rule.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 04, 2017, 08:16:14 AM
How many guys have been HOF players (Real HOF players, and not bullshit guys like Red Shoendienst) and good managers? Paul Molitor seems to be the exception to the rule.
Is Molitor good? He seems to me to be kind of a humorless prick who seemed like he should have had a quicker hook on Santana.
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2017, 08:26:00 AM
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How many guys have been HOF players (Real HOF players, and not bullshit guys like Red Shoendienst) and good managers? Paul Molitor seems to be the exception to the rule.
Is Molitor good? He seems to me to be kind of a humorless prick who seemed like he should have had a quicker hook on Santana.
I thought the same. If playoff baseball taught me anything these past two years, it's that you don't wait around for your pitcher to get into a groove.
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How many guys have been HOF players (Real HOF players, and not bullshit guys like Red Shoendienst) and good managers? Paul Molitor seems to be the exception to the rule.
Is Molitor good? He seems to me to be kind of a humorless prick who seemed like he should have had a quicker hook on Santana.
I thought the same. If playoff baseball taught me anything these past two years, it's that you don't wait around for your pitcher to get into a groove.
Yeah and Berrios is a starter who has never had to warm up, sit down, warm back up again, etc. If he had any doubts about Santana he should have just handed Berrios the 2nd inning and gone from there. I'm not sure any of his options were great because that pitching staff sucks and had no business making the playoffs in the first place, but he was more reactive than proactive.
DPD. You know I've gone back and forth on the Seligcard since it was introduced but I really think it's great. While you occasionally will have a 98 win team like the 2015 Pirates get screwed by facing single elimination while lesser teams get a best of five by virtue of being in worse divisions, most of the time you're talking 90ish win teams or less facing off. It's exciting, and it really places a premium on winning the division, thus making the regular season more meaningful. It also is kind of a check against a mediocre team just dominating the postseason thanks to one elite starting pitcher, since that guy has to be deployed in the WC game and can't then make 2 starts in a potential Division Series. Everyone remembers Bumgarner owning the 2014 playoffs but his start in the play-in game actually meant the Giants had to find a way to beat the Nats without him (in fact they lost the 1 game he did start in that DS) and they did.
Yeah, this was intended to be the Teams That Are Not the Cubs thread, but I thought that would be obvious so I didn't put that in the name. Shows how much I know.
Is it Friday yet?
That's the bad thing about the Wild Card. Playoffs should start today.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 04, 2017, 03:15:12 PM
Is it Friday yet?
That's the bad thing about the Wild Card. Playoffs should start today.
It gives us more time to watch Gary Sanchez take a baseball to the nards.
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 04, 2017, 03:15:12 PM
Is it Friday yet?
That's the bad thing about the Wild Card. Playoffs should start today.
It gives us more time to watch Gary Sanchez take a baseball to the nards.
Middle Murton fell off the couch laughing.
I'd love to be there when Matt Murton meets Chuck's family just to see his face when he's told that the kids are all known as "murtons." Who does he call first: the cops, or a lawyer to get started on a restraining order? Maybe a conference call with both? Decisions, decisions.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 04, 2017, 05:46:53 PM
I'd love to be there when Matt Murton meets Chuck's family just to see his face when he's told that the kids are all known as "murtons." Who does he call first: the cops, or a lawyer to get started on a restraining order? Maybe a conference call with both? Decisions, decisions.
He'd be cool with it. The Murtons are all infinitely more likeable than Chuck.
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 04, 2017, 05:46:53 PM
I'd love to be there when Matt Murton meets Chuck's family just to see his face when he's told that the kids are all known as "murtons." Who does he call first: the cops, or a lawyer to get started on a restraining order? Maybe a conference call with both? Decisions, decisions.
He'd be cool with it. The Murtons are all infinitely more likeable than Chuck.
Years ago we got Len Kasper over to the Kohl Children's Museum as we were seeing if he might be the celeb on our golf tournament. Len brought his son Leo and one of Leo's good friends. Eldest and Middle Murton were there as well. Len said to me, "Look at all that red hair." I said that some of the Desipiots had started to call them the "Murtons." Len paused, looked and them, and laughed pretty hard.
Would love to know if that ever got back to Matt.
Coda: Len didn't end up being involved in the golf tournament.
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I'd love to be there when Matt Murton meets Chuck's family just to see his face when he's told that the kids are all known as "murtons." Who does he call first: the cops, or a lawyer to get started on a restraining order? Maybe a conference call with both? Decisions, decisions.
He'd be cool with it. The Murtons are all infinitely more likeable than Chuck.
Years ago we got Len Kasper over to the Kohl Children's Museum as we were seeing if he might be the celeb on our golf tournament. Len brought his son Leo and one of Leo's good friends. Eldest and Middle Murton were there as well. Len said to me, "Look at all that red hair." I said that some of the Desipiots had started to call them the "Murtons." Len paused, looked and them, and laughed pretty hard.
Would love to know if that ever got back to Matt.
Coda: Len didn't end up being involved in the golf tournament.
We get it, you hate Len Kasper.
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 04, 2017, 05:46:53 PM
I'd love to be there when Matt Murton meets Chuck's family just to see his face when he's told that the kids are all known as "murtons." Who does he call first: the cops, or a lawyer to get started on a restraining order? Maybe a conference call with both? Decisions, decisions.
He'd be cool with it. The Murtons are all infinitely more likeable than Chuck.
Years ago we got Len Kasper over to the Kohl Children's Museum as we were seeing if he might be the celeb on our golf tournament. Len brought his son Leo and one of Leo's good friends. Eldest and Middle Murton were there as well. Len said to me, "Look at all that red hair." I said that some of the Desipiots had started to call them the "Murtons." Len paused, looked and them, and laughed pretty hard.
Would love to know if that ever got back to Matt.
Coda: Len didn't end up being involved in the golf tournament.
We get it, you hate Len Kasper.
TJ was the chairman of the golf tournament at the time, so...
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 04, 2017, 05:46:53 PM
I'd love to be there when Matt Murton meets Chuck's family just to see his face when he's told that the kids are all known as "murtons." Who does he call first: the cops, or a lawyer to get started on a restraining order? Maybe a conference call with both? Decisions, decisions.
He'd be cool with it. The Murtons are all infinitely more likeable than Chuck.
Years ago we got Len Kasper over to the Kohl Children's Museum as we were seeing if he might be the celeb on our golf tournament. Len brought his son Leo and one of Leo's good friends. Eldest and Middle Murton were there as well. Len said to me, "Look at all that red hair." I said that some of the Desipiots had started to call them the "Murtons." Len paused, looked and them, and laughed pretty hard.
Would love to know if that ever got back to Matt.
Coda: Len didn't end up being involved in the golf tournament.
We get it, you hate Len Kasper.
TJ was the chairman of the golf tournament at the time, so...
We got Dave Kaplan instead. It was phenomenal.
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2017, 07:40:44 AM
Quote from: Tonker on October 04, 2017, 07:03:00 AM
MODS! (http://desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=9329.msg313331#msg313331)
I'm no CT, but I feel as a former mod this is acceptable as I think it is kind of a desipio tradition to have one thread specifically for Cubs playoff games and one thread for all of the others.
Which reminds me, we are be coming up on my first anniversary as moderator. Feel free to send cake.
Quote from: CT III on October 05, 2017, 01:01:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2017, 07:40:44 AM
Quote from: Tonker on October 04, 2017, 07:03:00 AM
MODS! (http://desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=9329.msg313331#msg313331)
I'm no CT, but I feel as a former mod this is acceptable as I think it is kind of a desipio tradition to have one thread specifically for Cubs playoff games and one thread for all of the others.
Which reminds me, we are be coming up on my first anniversary as moderator. Feel free to send cake.
Maybe you are be, I am not are be.
Quote from: Brownie on October 05, 2017, 12:18:42 PM
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I'd love to be there when Matt Murton meets Chuck's family just to see his face when he's told that the kids are all known as "murtons." Who does he call first: the cops, or a lawyer to get started on a restraining order? Maybe a conference call with both? Decisions, decisions.
He'd be cool with it. The Murtons are all infinitely more likeable than Chuck.
Years ago we got Len Kasper over to the Kohl Children's Museum as we were seeing if he might be the celeb on our golf tournament. Len brought his son Leo and one of Leo's good friends. Eldest and Middle Murton were there as well. Len said to me, "Look at all that red hair." I said that some of the Desipiots had started to call them the "Murtons." Len paused, looked and them, and laughed pretty hard.
Would love to know if that ever got back to Matt.
Coda: Len didn't end up being involved in the golf tournament.
We get it, you hate Len Kasper.
TJ was the chairman of the golf tournament at the time, so...
We got Dave Kaplan instead. It was phenomenal.
I think those were separate years. But Kap was phenomenal, Sparky.
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I'd love to be there when Matt Murton meets Chuck's family just to see his face when he's told that the kids are all known as "murtons." Who does he call first: the cops, or a lawyer to get started on a restraining order? Maybe a conference call with both? Decisions, decisions.
He'd be cool with it. The Murtons are all infinitely more likeable than Chuck.
Years ago we got Len Kasper over to the Kohl Children's Museum as we were seeing if he might be the celeb on our golf tournament. Len brought his son Leo and one of Leo's good friends. Eldest and Middle Murton were there as well. Len said to me, "Look at all that red hair." I said that some of the Desipiots had started to call them the "Murtons." Len paused, looked and them, and laughed pretty hard.
Would love to know if that ever got back to Matt.
Coda: Len didn't end up being involved in the golf tournament.
We get it, you hate Len Kasper.
TJ was the chairman of the golf tournament at the time, so...
We got Dave Kaplan instead. It was phenomenal.
I think those were separate years. But Kap was phenomenal, Sparky.
And almost as orange as Murton's hair.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 05, 2017, 10:41:27 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 05, 2017, 10:12:57 AM
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 04, 2017, 05:46:53 PM
I'd love to be there when Matt Murton meets Chuck's family just to see his face when he's told that the kids are all known as "murtons." Who does he call first: the cops, or a lawyer to get started on a restraining order? Maybe a conference call with both? Decisions, decisions.
He'd be cool with it. The Murtons are all infinitely more likeable than Chuck.
Years ago we got Len Kasper over to the Kohl Children's Museum as we were seeing if he might be the celeb on our golf tournament. Len brought his son Leo and one of Leo's good friends. Eldest and Middle Murton were there as well. Len said to me, "Look at all that red hair." I said that some of the Desipiots had started to call them the "Murtons." Len paused, looked and them, and laughed pretty hard.
Would love to know if that ever got back to Matt.
Coda: Len didn't end up being involved in the golf tournament.
We get it, you hate Len Kasper.
After the Cubs swept St. Louis at Wrigley in September I was leaving my seat in the upper deck and spotted Len walking down from the press box. I thought about getting a picture but he looked like he was really trying to get to the bus for the road trip, so I settled for shaking his hand and telling him I love his work, which I do. Then the next five people all took photos with him. At least I didn't get rejected like Chuck.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 05, 2017, 01:53:48 PM
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 05, 2017, 10:12:57 AM
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 04, 2017, 05:46:53 PM
I'd love to be there when Matt Murton meets Chuck's family just to see his face when he's told that the kids are all known as "murtons." Who does he call first: the cops, or a lawyer to get started on a restraining order? Maybe a conference call with both? Decisions, decisions.
He'd be cool with it. The Murtons are all infinitely more likeable than Chuck.
Years ago we got Len Kasper over to the Kohl Children's Museum as we were seeing if he might be the celeb on our golf tournament. Len brought his son Leo and one of Leo's good friends. Eldest and Middle Murton were there as well. Len said to me, "Look at all that red hair." I said that some of the Desipiots had started to call them the "Murtons." Len paused, looked and them, and laughed pretty hard.
Would love to know if that ever got back to Matt.
Coda: Len didn't end up being involved in the golf tournament.
We get it, you hate Len Kasper.
After the Cubs swept St. Louis at Wrigley in September I was leaving my seat in the upper deck and spotted Len walking down from the press box. I thought about getting a picture but he looked like he was really trying to get to the bus for the road trip, so I settled for shaking his hand and telling him I love his work, which I do. Then the next five people all took photos with him. At least I didn't get rejected like Chuck.
Was more a victim of date. Len couldn't guaranty involvement every year as our schedule was determined by the course we used for the tournament, not the MLB calendar.
Len did buy everyone Kim & Scott's Gourmet Pretzels in the museum's restaurant.
I just blame TJ.
(lost in the story is that Len didn't need translation of "Desipiots")
Quote from: SKO on October 05, 2017, 01:07:39 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 05, 2017, 01:01:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 04, 2017, 07:40:44 AM
Quote from: Tonker on October 04, 2017, 07:03:00 AM
MODS! (http://desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=9329.msg313331#msg313331)
I'm no CT, but I feel as a former mod this is acceptable as I think it is kind of a desipio tradition to have one thread specifically for Cubs playoff games and one thread for all of the others.
Which reminds me, we are be coming up on my first anniversary as moderator. Feel free to send cake.
Maybe you are be, I am not are be.
I know you know what you know but you should know by now that you're not me.
Hector's the odd man out for the first round and Herb Washington Leonys Martin makes it. (https://twitter.com/Andy_Masur1/status/916304665419055104)
My guess is Hector'll be back on next round since teams are more likely to carry 12 arms in a best-of-a-seven series. They certainly don't need that many for a 5 game so I'm cool with this, even if I do feel a little bad for Hector since it seemed he had turned things around. Like I said, though, he'll probably be back on next round.
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on October 06, 2017, 09:23:49 AM
Hector's the odd man out for the first round and Herb Washington Leonys Martin makes it. (https://twitter.com/Andy_Masur1/status/916304665419055104)
My guess is Hector'll be back on next round since teams are more likely to carry 12 arms in a best-of-a-seven series. They certainly don't need that many for a 5 game so I'm cool with this, even if I do feel a little bad for Hector since it seemed he had turned things around. Like I said, though, he'll probably be back on next round.
I think that's right. Also I'm glad Joe resisted the urge to include Rene Federowicz on the roster.
I've seen some fuckin shit in my day and suffered as much as any fan seemingly could for the Cubs and Bears and yet I still can't imagine how goddamn awful it must feel to be an Indians fan right now. God damn.
Quote from: SKO on October 11, 2017, 11:01:26 PM
I've seen some fuckin shit in my day and suffered as much as any fan seemingly could for the Cubs and Bears and yet I still can't imagine how goddamn awful it must feel to be an Indians fan right now. God damn.
But they won 22 games in a row, didn't you hear?
Maybe they can get rid of Wahoo now without any championship history to preserve.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 11, 2017, 11:12:00 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 11, 2017, 11:01:26 PM
I've seen some fuckin shit in my day and suffered as much as any fan seemingly could for the Cubs and Bears and yet I still can't imagine how goddamn awful it must feel to be an Indians fan right now. God damn.
But they won 22 games in a row, didn't you hear?
Maybe they can get rid of Wahoo now without any championship history to preserve.
And somehow they won those games without having Chad Bradford or Jonah Hill!
Quote from: SKO on October 11, 2017, 11:01:26 PM
I've seen some fuckin shit in my day and suffered as much as any fan seemingly could for the Cubs and Bears and yet I still can't imagine how goddamn awful it must feel to be an Indians fan right now. God damn.
Maybe the asshole who sits by home plate should give those choke signs a rest.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 12, 2017, 08:20:04 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 11, 2017, 11:01:26 PM
I've seen some fuckin shit in my day and suffered as much as any fan seemingly could for the Cubs and Bears and yet I still can't imagine how goddamn awful it must feel to be an Indians fan right now. God damn.
Maybe the asshole who sits by home plate should give those choke signs a rest.
Indians postseason appearances since 1995:
1995: Lost World Series
1996: Lost ALDS
1997: Blew World Series in 9th inning of G7
1998: Blew 2-1 ALCS lead vs Yankees
1999: Blew 2-0 ALDS lead vs Red Sox
2001: Blew 2-1 ALDS lead vs Mariners
2007: Blew 3-1 ALCS lead vs Red Sox
2013: Lost AL WC Game
2016: Blew 3-1 World Series lead vs Cubs
2017: Blew 2-0 ALDS lead vs Yankees.
So that's 10 playoff appearances total, in at least 8 of them they blew 1 or more games with a chance to advance/clinch a pennant/win the goddamn World Series. And that dude dares call other teams chokers.
DPD, but just doing a quick look at the list of world series matchups I think Cleveland is actually the only franchise to have won 3 or more pennants since 1949 and not won a world series. The Padres and Rangers being the only others to have at least 2 pennants and no trophies. Couple other one-and-dones (Astros, Rays, Rockies).
Quote from: SKO on October 12, 2017, 08:35:01 AM
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Quote from: SKO on October 11, 2017, 11:01:26 PM
I've seen some fuckin shit in my day and suffered as much as any fan seemingly could for the Cubs and Bears and yet I still can't imagine how goddamn awful it must feel to be an Indians fan right now. God damn.
Maybe the asshole who sits by home plate should give those choke signs a rest.
Indians postseason appearances since 1995:
1995: Lost World Series
1996: Lost ALDS
1997: Blew World Series in 9th inning of G7
1998: Blew 2-1 ALCS lead vs Yankees
1999: Blew 2-0 ALDS lead vs Red Sox
2001: Blew 2-1 ALDS lead vs Mariners
2007: Blew 3-1 ALCS lead vs Red Sox
2013: Lost AL WC Game
2016: Blew 3-1 World Series lead vs Cubs
2017: Blew 2-0 ALDS lead vs Yankees.
So that's 10 playoff appearances total, in at least 8 of them they blew 1 or more games with a chance to advance/clinch a pennant/win the goddamn World Series. And that dude dares call other teams chokers.
And pretty sure the only way they even had the chance to blow that 2007 ALCS lead was because the big guy upstairs unleashed the midges of Lake Erie to fuck with Joba in the ALDS.
Quote from: SKO on October 12, 2017, 09:12:40 AM
DPD, but just doing a quick look at the list of world series matchups I think Cleveland is actually the only franchise to have won 3 or more pennants since 1949 and not won a world series. The Padres and Rangers being the only others to have at least 2 pennants and no trophies. Couple other one-and-dones (Astros, Rays, Rockies).
It's nice to know that any listing of current futility no longer contains the Chicago National League Baseball Club.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 12, 2017, 10:07:24 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 12, 2017, 09:12:40 AM
DPD, but just doing a quick look at the list of world series matchups I think Cleveland is actually the only franchise to have won 3 or more pennants since 1949 and not won a world series. The Padres and Rangers being the only others to have at least 2 pennants and no trophies. Couple other one-and-dones (Astros, Rays, Rockies).
It's nice to know that any listing of current futility no longer contains the Chicago National League Baseball Club.
At least after 1945 the Cubs had the common decency to not even make a world series they weren't planning on winning anyway. Very considerate of them, really.
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DPD, but just doing a quick look at the list of world series matchups I think Cleveland is actually the only franchise to have won 3 or more pennants since 1949 and not won a world series. The Padres and Rangers being the only others to have at least 2 pennants and no trophies. Couple other one-and-dones (Astros, Rays, Rockies).
It's nice to know that any listing of current futility no longer contains the Chicago National League Baseball Club.
At least after 1945 the Cubs had the common decency to not even make a world series they weren't planning on winning anyway. Very considerate of them, really.
Probably why so many Chicagoans move in October. They never had to plan for baseball.
Quote from: SKO on October 12, 2017, 08:35:01 AM
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Quote from: SKO on October 11, 2017, 11:01:26 PM
I've seen some fuckin shit in my day and suffered as much as any fan seemingly could for the Cubs and Bears and yet I still can't imagine how goddamn awful it must feel to be an Indians fan right now. God damn.
Maybe the asshole who sits by home plate should give those choke signs a rest.
Indians postseason appearances since 1995:
1995: Lost World Series
1996: Lost ALDS
1997: Blew World Series in 9th inning of G7
1998: Blew 2-1 ALCS lead vs Yankees
1999: Blew 2-0 ALDS lead vs Red Sox
2001: Blew 2-1 ALDS lead vs Mariners
2007: Blew 3-1 ALCS lead vs Red Sox
2013: Lost AL WC Game
2016: Blew 3-1 World Series lead vs Cubs
2017: Blew 2-0 ALDS lead vs Yankees.
So that's 10 playoff appearances total, in at least 8 of them they blew 1 or more games with a chance to advance/clinch a pennant/win the goddamn World Series. And that dude dares call other teams chokers.
Add in the 1954 World Series, and then throw in the fact the Browns have been more garbage than the Bears (in two incarnations), the Cavs have come away with one NBA title, and you wonder why they even like SPORTZ in Northeastern Ohio.
Quote from: Brownie on October 12, 2017, 10:49:57 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 12, 2017, 08:35:01 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 12, 2017, 08:20:04 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 11, 2017, 11:01:26 PM
I've seen some fuckin shit in my day and suffered as much as any fan seemingly could for the Cubs and Bears and yet I still can't imagine how goddamn awful it must feel to be an Indians fan right now. God damn.
Maybe the asshole who sits by home plate should give those choke signs a rest.
Indians postseason appearances since 1995:
1995: Lost World Series
1996: Lost ALDS
1997: Blew World Series in 9th inning of G7
1998: Blew 2-1 ALCS lead vs Yankees
1999: Blew 2-0 ALDS lead vs Red Sox
2001: Blew 2-1 ALDS lead vs Mariners
2007: Blew 3-1 ALCS lead vs Red Sox
2013: Lost AL WC Game
2016: Blew 3-1 World Series lead vs Cubs
2017: Blew 2-0 ALDS lead vs Yankees.
So that's 10 playoff appearances total, in at least 8 of them they blew 1 or more games with a chance to advance/clinch a pennant/win the goddamn World Series. And that dude dares call other teams chokers.
Add in the 1954 World Series, and then throw in the fact the Browns have been more garbage than the Bears (in two incarnations), the Cavs have come away with one NBA title, and you wonder why they even like SPORTZ in Northeastern Ohio.
Dusty Rhodes was Kyle Schwarber before Kyle Schwarber was even born.
Nats fans have been begging Dusty to start anyone over Werth's moldering corpse. Glad he didn't listen
So....the Nats aren't gonna bring Dusty back, are they?
Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2017, 12:02:55 AM
So....the Nats aren't gonna bring Dusty back, are they?
Or are they (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/1/dusty-bakers-extension-should-be-simple-nationals/)?
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 13, 2017, 08:30:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2017, 12:02:55 AM
So....the Nats aren't gonna bring Dusty back, are they?
Or are they (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/1/dusty-bakers-extension-should-be-simple-nationals/)?
Well Bryce Harper apparently refused comment when asked about Dusty's situation so I'm guessing he's not his biggest fan. Not even a cursory "we love playing for the guy."
Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2017, 08:38:15 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 13, 2017, 08:30:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2017, 12:02:55 AM
So....the Nats aren't gonna bring Dusty back, are they?
Or are they (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/1/dusty-bakers-extension-should-be-simple-nationals/)?
Well Bryce Harper apparently refused comment when asked about Dusty's situation so I'm guessing he's not his biggest fan. Not even a cursory "we love playing for the guy."
It could be worse (https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/10/07/aroldis-chapman-instagram-comment-joe-girardi).
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Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2017, 08:38:15 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 13, 2017, 08:30:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2017, 12:02:55 AM
So....the Nats aren't gonna bring Dusty back, are they?
Or are they (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/1/dusty-bakers-extension-should-be-simple-nationals/)?
Well Bryce Harper apparently refused comment when asked about Dusty's situation so I'm guessing he's not his biggest fan. Not even a cursory "we love playing for the guy."
It could be worse (https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/10/07/aroldis-chapman-instagram-comment-joe-girardi).
As I saw someone say on twitter, the next season Chapman makes it through without publicly undermining his manager will be the first
Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2017, 08:38:15 AM
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Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2017, 12:02:55 AM
So....the Nats aren't gonna bring Dusty back, are they?
Or are they (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/1/dusty-bakers-extension-should-be-simple-nationals/)?
Well Bryce Harper apparently refused comment when asked about Dusty's situation so I'm guessing he's not his biggest fan. Not even a cursory "we love playing for the guy."
To be fair, he had just struck out to end one of the tensest baseball games ever played. Might have been upset at everything in a
Walgreens Washington uniform in that moment. I personally think Dusty should get a lifetime extension there.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 13, 2017, 10:23:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2017, 08:38:15 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 13, 2017, 08:30:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2017, 12:02:55 AM
So....the Nats aren't gonna bring Dusty back, are they?
Or are they (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/1/dusty-bakers-extension-should-be-simple-nationals/)?
Well Bryce Harper apparently refused comment when asked about Dusty's situation so I'm guessing he's not his biggest fan. Not even a cursory "we love playing for the guy."
To be fair, he had just struck out to end one of the tensest baseball games ever played. Might have been upset at everything in a Walgreens Washington uniform in that moment. I personally think Dusty should get a lifetime extension there.
Was the Dusty question after a reporter asked Bryce to preview the Dodgers-Cubs series, break down the matchups, give the fans at home something to look forward to?
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 13, 2017, 10:23:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2017, 08:38:15 AM
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Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2017, 12:02:55 AM
So....the Nats aren't gonna bring Dusty back, are they?
Or are they (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/1/dusty-bakers-extension-should-be-simple-nationals/)?
Well Bryce Harper apparently refused comment when asked about Dusty's situation so I'm guessing he's not his biggest fan. Not even a cursory "we love playing for the guy."
To be fair, he had just struck out to end one of the tensest baseball games ever played. Might have been upset at everything in a Walgreens Washington uniform in that moment. I personally think Dusty should get a lifetime extension there.
I didn't notice that until Ms. Cubbieblue asked me "Isn't that W the Walgreen's logo?"
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 13, 2017, 10:23:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2017, 08:38:15 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 13, 2017, 08:30:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2017, 12:02:55 AM
So....the Nats aren't gonna bring Dusty back, are they?
Or are they (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/1/dusty-bakers-extension-should-be-simple-nationals/)?
Well Bryce Harper apparently refused comment when asked about Dusty's situation so I'm guessing he's not his biggest fan. Not even a cursory "we love playing for the guy."
To be fair, he had just struck out to end one of the tensest baseball games ever played. Might have been upset at everything in a Walgreens Washington uniform in that moment. I personally think Dusty should get a lifetime extension there.
Fuck that. I think the Cardinals should hire him.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 13, 2017, 05:55:08 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 13, 2017, 10:23:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2017, 08:38:15 AM
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Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2017, 12:02:55 AM
So....the Nats aren't gonna bring Dusty back, are they?
Or are they (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/1/dusty-bakers-extension-should-be-simple-nationals/)?
Well Bryce Harper apparently refused comment when asked about Dusty's situation so I'm guessing he's not his biggest fan. Not even a cursory "we love playing for the guy."
To be fair, he had just struck out to end one of the tensest baseball games ever played. Might have been upset at everything in a Walgreens Washington uniform in that moment. I personally think Dusty should get a lifetime extension there.
Fuck that. I think the Cardinals should hire him.
And replace Matheny? Nonsense. They're both doing great right where they are.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 13, 2017, 11:37:00 PM
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Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2017, 08:38:15 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on October 13, 2017, 08:30:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2017, 12:02:55 AM
So....the Nats aren't gonna bring Dusty back, are they?
Or are they (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/1/dusty-bakers-extension-should-be-simple-nationals/)?
Well Bryce Harper apparently refused comment when asked about Dusty's situation so I'm guessing he's not his biggest fan. Not even a cursory "we love playing for the guy."
To be fair, he had just struck out to end one of the tensest baseball games ever played. Might have been upset at everything in a Walgreens Washington uniform in that moment. I personally think Dusty should get a lifetime extension there.
Fuck that. I think the Cardinals should hire him.
And replace Matheny? Nonsense. They're both doing great right where they are.
Yeah. The aggregate VURD (Value Under Replacement Dipshit) is way lower with Dusty and Metheny where they are. If Baker were to go to the Tards, he might be replaced by somebody who's not guaranteed to shit the bed at vital moments.
Damn, that was a good baseball game.
Quote from: SKO on October 26, 2017, 07:57:34 AM
Damn, that was a good baseball game.
Damn, I thought this was going to be about Dave Roberts' bullpen management.
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Quote from: SKO on October 26, 2017, 07:57:34 AM
Damn, that was a good baseball game.
Damn, I thought this was going to be about Dave Roberts' bullpen management.
I thought he pulled Rich Hill a bit quickly but otherwise I dunno what else he was supposed to do. If Kenley Jansen closes the door, as he does 99% of the time there, everyone says the Dodgers followed their gameplan and it worked perfectly.
The way the Dodgers lesser relievers immediately coughed up 4 runs in 2 innings after Jansen makes me even more mad about Joe not using Wade in G2 of the NLCS, though. If Wade gets the Cubs into the 10th tied and the Dodgers are forced to use guys like Fields/McCarthy in extras maybe the Cubs win that game.
Quote from: SKO on October 26, 2017, 08:19:11 AM
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Quote from: SKO on October 26, 2017, 07:57:34 AM
Damn, that was a good baseball game.
Damn, I thought this was going to be about Dave Roberts' bullpen management.
I thought he pulled Rich Hill a bit quickly but otherwise I dunno what else he was supposed to do. If Kenley Jansen closes the door, as he does 99% of the time there, everyone says the Dodgers followed their gameplan and it worked perfectly.
The way the Dodgers lesser relievers immediately coughed up 4 runs in 2 innings after Jansen makes me even more mad about Joe not using Wade in G2 of the NLCS, though. If Wade gets the Cubs into the 10th tied and the Dodgers are forced to use guys like Fields/McCarthy in extras maybe the Cubs win that game.
You don't think the Ginger Minge (thanks Tonk) doesn't hit the HR against Davis there? Every single break went their way in that series.
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Quote from: SKO on October 26, 2017, 07:57:34 AM
Damn, that was a good baseball game.
Damn, I thought this was going to be about Dave Roberts' bullpen management.
I thought he pulled Rich Hill a bit quickly but otherwise I dunno what else he was supposed to do. If Kenley Jansen closes the door, as he does 99% of the time there, everyone says the Dodgers followed their gameplan and it worked perfectly.
The way the Dodgers lesser relievers immediately coughed up 4 runs in 2 innings after Jansen makes me even more mad about Joe not using Wade in G2 of the NLCS, though. If Wade gets the Cubs into the 10th tied and the Dodgers are forced to use guys like Fields/McCarthy in extras maybe the Cubs win that game.
You don't think the Ginger Minge (thanks Tonk) doesn't hit the HR against Davis there? Every single break went their way in that series.
Probably not? That's still not a defense of Joe's indefensibly stupid decision, but if he'd homered off Wade I definitely wouldn't have blamed Joe for that?
Quote from: SKO on October 26, 2017, 08:19:11 AM
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Quote from: SKO on October 26, 2017, 07:57:34 AM
Damn, that was a good baseball game.
Damn, I thought this was going to be about Dave Roberts' bullpen management.
I thought he pulled Rich Hill a bit quickly but otherwise I dunno what else he was supposed to do. If Kenley Jansen closes the door, as he does 99% of the time there, everyone says the Dodgers followed their gameplan and it worked perfectly.
The way the Dodgers lesser relievers immediately coughed up 4 runs in 2 innings after Jansen makes me even more mad about Joe not using Wade in G2 of the NLCS, though. If Wade gets the Cubs into the 10th tied and the Dodgers are forced to use guys like Fields/McCarthy in extras maybe the Cubs win that game.
McCarthy wasn't on the NLCS roster, but their bullpen was definitely due to cough up some runs.
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Quote from: SKO on October 26, 2017, 08:19:11 AM
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Quote from: SKO on October 26, 2017, 07:57:34 AM
Damn, that was a good baseball game.
Damn, I thought this was going to be about Dave Roberts' bullpen management.
I thought he pulled Rich Hill a bit quickly but otherwise I dunno what else he was supposed to do. If Kenley Jansen closes the door, as he does 99% of the time there, everyone says the Dodgers followed their gameplan and it worked perfectly.
The way the Dodgers lesser relievers immediately coughed up 4 runs in 2 innings after Jansen makes me even more mad about Joe not using Wade in G2 of the NLCS, though. If Wade gets the Cubs into the 10th tied and the Dodgers are forced to use guys like Fields/McCarthy in extras maybe the Cubs win that game.
McCarthy wasn't on the NLCS roster, but their bullpen was definitely due to cough up some runs.
That would have made it easier for the Cubs to beat him.
Holy shit that might have been the best non-Cubs/non-Cardinals loss game I've ever seen.
Quote from: D. Doluntap on October 30, 2017, 08:06:03 AM
Holy shit that might have been the best non-Cubs/non-Cardinals loss game I've ever seen.
Narrative-wise I will always defend G7 last year as the greatest game in baseball history. In terms of pure insanity though, holy shit, that was the craziest fucking game I've ever seen.
Quote from: SKO on October 26, 2017, 09:05:23 AM
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Quote from: SKO on October 26, 2017, 07:57:34 AM
Damn, that was a good baseball game.
Damn, I thought this was going to be about Dave Roberts' bullpen management.
I thought he pulled Rich Hill a bit quickly but otherwise I dunno what else he was supposed to do. If Kenley Jansen closes the door, as he does 99% of the time there, everyone says the Dodgers followed their gameplan and it worked perfectly.
The way the Dodgers lesser relievers immediately coughed up 4 runs in 2 innings after Jansen makes me even more mad about Joe not using Wade in G2 of the NLCS, though. If Wade gets the Cubs into the 10th tied and the Dodgers are forced to use guys like Fields/McCarthy in extras maybe the Cubs win that game.
You don't think the Ginger Minge (thanks Tonk) doesn't hit the HR against Davis there? Every single break went their way in that series.
Probably not? That's still not a defense of Joe's indefensibly stupid decision, but if he'd homered off Wade I definitely wouldn't have blamed Joe for that?
I'm Ron Burgundy?
I am enjoying all of these very good bullpens getting torched after a month of overuse after guys like Brian Kenny spent the first part of the playoffs splooging over THE BULLPEN REVOLUTION and the death of the starting pitcher. You should never rely on baseball tradition as a guide because sometimes we've just done stupid shit for a long time for no reason other than we've been doing it a long time, but the reason the game evolved towards starters going 6+ whenever possible and relievers sticking to 1 inning at a time is maybe because relievers are relievers because, generally, they weren't good enough to start? And the more they pitch the more likely they are to get exposed?
Quote from: SKO on October 30, 2017, 09:20:17 AM
I am enjoying all of these very good bullpens getting torched after a month of overuse after guys like Brian Kenny spent the first part of the playoffs splooging over THE BULLPEN REVOLUTION and the death of the starting pitcher. You should never rely on baseball tradition as a guide because sometimes we've just done stupid shit for a long time for no reason other than we've been doing it a long time, but the reason the game evolved towards starters going 6+ whenever possible and relievers sticking to 1 inning at a time is maybe because relievers are relievers because, generally, they weren't good enough to start? And the more they pitch the more likely they are to get exposed?
It's been ridiculous. Roberts pulled Dick Mountain after 4 IP/60 pitches in game 2. In a 1-0 game.
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Quote from: SKO on October 30, 2017, 09:20:17 AM
I am enjoying all of these very good bullpens getting torched after a month of overuse after guys like Brian Kenny spent the first part of the playoffs splooging over THE BULLPEN REVOLUTION and the death of the starting pitcher. You should never rely on baseball tradition as a guide because sometimes we've just done stupid shit for a long time for no reason other than we've been doing it a long time, but the reason the game evolved towards starters going 6+ whenever possible and relievers sticking to 1 inning at a time is maybe because relievers are relievers because, generally, they weren't good enough to start? And the more they pitch the more likely they are to get exposed?
It's been ridiculous. Roberts pulled Dick Mountain after 4 IP/60 pitches in game 2. In a 1-0 game.
Yeah I understand the "third time through the order penalty" thing. I get it. But that's based on analyzing every goddamn starter and reliever in the game! The drop off from an elite SP's third time through the order to a reliever's first time through is probably not that great, especially when weighing the fact that the Astros have one of the best offenses in history. Just, y'know, go with your fucking gut if you have to but if a starter looks fine, stick with him.
This goes for Joe, too, tbh. I still think if he just gives Kyle Hendricks one more batter to finish the 5th inning in game 7 last year that game ends 5-1 Cubs. Hendricks was fine outside of the third inning and the "walk" to Santana that led Joe to pull him was a K and everyone knew it. Just let the dude who shut down the Dodgers to win the pennant go as far as he can with a 4 run lead.
Last night was entertaining, and it had suspense, but it wasn't particularly well-played. I think Games 5 and 7 last year were better as was Game 2 this year, but among the best World Series games since TV, I don't think this one makes the top 10 either.
1) 2016 Game 7
2) 1960 Game 7
3) 1991 Game 7
4) 1988 Game 1
5) 2001 Game 7
6) 1991 Game 6
7) 1997 Game 7
8) 1986 Game 6
9) 1975 Game 6
10) 2017 Game 2
11) 2017 Game 5
12) 1996 Game 4
13) 2011 Game 6
14) 1956 Game 5
15) 2016 Game 5
16) 1985 Game 6
17) 2001 Game 4
18) 2001 Game 5
19) 2016 Game 3
Thoughts?
Quote from: Brownie on October 30, 2017, 12:27:05 PM
well-played
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1) 2016 Game 7
I
really liked the ending, but the Acts I and II were a dumpster fire.
I wasn't alive in 1960 so I don't know enough about how well that game was played.
Aside from one Lonnie Smith TOOTBLAN, 1991 G7 was basically flawless by both teams. That'd get my vote.
Go Astros. But Gurriel can go 0-5 with 5 K.
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Quote from: Brownie on October 30, 2017, 12:27:05 PM
well-played
Quote from: Brownie on October 30, 2017, 12:27:05 PM
1) 2016 Game 7
I really liked the ending, but the Acts I and II were a dumpster fire.
I wasn't alive in 1960 so I don't know enough about how well that game was played.
Aside from one Lonnie Smith TOOTBLAN, 1991 G7 was basically flawless by both teams. That'd get my vote.
I endorse this. What a ridiculous game of base ball that was.
Narrative wise it's game 7 of 2016 and it always will be, Chuck D can fuck right off.
Objectively well, fuck if I know. The Cubs won the world series. That was the best one. that one there.
HA HA HA - fuck the Dodgers forever. I hope the Yankees of the NL never win another World Series.
What crazy world are we living in, where it's ok to root for the Astros?
Quote from: Tonker on November 02, 2017, 12:49:12 AM
HA HA HA - fuck the Dodgers forever. I hope the Yankees of the NL never win another World Series.
I mean, I would kind of like the Cubs to be the Yankees of the NL. If the Cubs start spending 200 million a year to keep this run going/tack on more titles would you think that makes them bad in some way?
Quote from: Canadouche on November 02, 2017, 07:31:22 AM
What crazy world are we living in, where it's ok to root for the Astros?
I'm just sad the meteor didn't make it in time.
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Quote from: Canadouche on November 02, 2017, 07:31:22 AM
What crazy world are we living in, where it's ok to root for the Astros?
I'm just sad the meteor didn't make it in time.
A Cubs World Series and a Trump Presidency are only two cracked seals of the Apocalypse. I think we've got at least one more to go before the meteor (or nukes) hit.
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HA HA HA - fuck the Dodgers forever. I hope the Yankees of the NL never win another World Series.
I mean, I would kind of like the Cubs to be the Yankees of the NL. If the Cubs start spending 200 million a year to keep this run going/tack on more titles would you think that makes them bad in some way?
It makes them hatable by pretty much every other fanbase in the NL, but apparently we are already on that track regardless, so... ::shrug::
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HA HA HA - fuck the Dodgers forever. I hope the Yankees of the NL never win another World Series.
I mean, I would kind of like the Cubs to be the Yankees of the NL. If the Cubs start spending 200 million a year to keep this run going/tack on more titles would you think that makes them bad in some way?
It makes them hatable by pretty much every other fanbase in the NL, but apparently we are already on that track regardless, so... ::shrug::
I mean I get it, I also hated the Yankees when I was a kid but when I grew up and looked at the economics of the sport...between their personal fortunes and the revenue sharing the sport has just about every owner should be racking up payrolls north of 150 million and trying to win. I'm not going to fault LA/NY for having owners that do. I'm just glad the Cubs are in the same group now. Bud Selig's "what about the poor widdle small market teams" rhetoric of the 90s was just cover to get the fans behind an anti-labor approach that would save cheapskates like Reinsdorf from having to actually pay players to compete.
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Quote from: Tonker on November 02, 2017, 12:49:12 AM
HA HA HA - fuck the Dodgers forever. I hope the Yankees of the NL never win another World Series.
I mean, I would kind of like the Cubs to be the Yankees of the NL. If the Cubs start spending 200 million a year to keep this run going/tack on more titles would you think that makes them bad in some way?
It makes them hatable by pretty much every other fanbase in the NL, but apparently we are already on that track regardless, so... ::shrug::
I mean I get it, I also hated the Yankees when I was a kid but when I grew up and looked at the economics of the sport...between their personal fortunes and the revenue sharing the sport has just about every owner should be racking up payrolls north of 150 million and trying to win. I'm not going to fault LA/NY for having owners that do. I'm just glad the Cubs are in the same group now. Bud Selig's "what about the poor widdle small market teams" rhetoric of the 90s was just cover to get the fans behind an anti-labor approach that would save cheapskates like Reinsdorf from having to actually pay players to compete.
I liked the Yankees in 1977. I ate a few Reggie bars. They became hatable in about 1979.
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HA HA HA - fuck the Dodgers forever. I hope the Yankees of the NL never win another World Series.
I mean, I would kind of like the Cubs to be the Yankees of the NL. If the Cubs start spending 200 million a year to keep this run going/tack on more titles would you think that makes them bad in some way?
It makes them hatable by pretty much every other fanbase in the NL, but apparently we are already on that track regardless, so... ::shrug::
I mean I get it, I also hated the Yankees when I was a kid but when I grew up and looked at the economics of the sport...between their personal fortunes and the revenue sharing the sport has just about every owner should be racking up payrolls north of 150 million and trying to win. I'm not going to fault LA/NY for having owners that do. I'm just glad the Cubs are in the same group now. Bud Selig's "what about the poor widdle small market teams" rhetoric of the 90s was just cover to get the fans behind an anti-labor approach that would save cheapskates like Reinsdorf from having to actually pay players to compete.
I liked the Yankees in 1977. I ate a few Reggie bars. They became hatable in about 1979.
Yeah the only issue I have with the Yankees is their level of success. I hated the Giants after 3 WS, too. I don't hate them for how much money they spent to get those rings. Everyone should do that.
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Quote from: Tonker on November 02, 2017, 12:49:12 AM
HA HA HA - fuck the Dodgers forever. I hope the Yankees of the NL never win another World Series.
I mean, I would kind of like the Cubs to be the Yankees of the NL. If the Cubs start spending 200 million a year to keep this run going/tack on more titles would you think that makes them bad in some way?
It makes them hatable by pretty much every other fanbase in the NL, but apparently we are already on that track regardless, so... ::shrug::
I mean I get it, I also hated the Yankees when I was a kid but when I grew up and looked at the economics of the sport...between their personal fortunes and the revenue sharing the sport has just about every owner should be racking up payrolls north of 150 million and trying to win. I'm not going to fault LA/NY for having owners that do. I'm just glad the Cubs are in the same group now. Bud Selig's "what about the poor widdle small market teams" rhetoric of the 90s was just cover to get the fans behind an anti-labor approach that would save cheapskates like Reinsdorf from having to actually pay players to compete.
I liked the Yankees in 1977. I ate a few Reggie bars. They became hatable in about 1979.
Yeah the only issue I have with the Yankees is their level of success. I hated the Giants after 3 WS, too. I don't hate them for how much money they spent to get those rings. Everyone should do that.
Try living in a city full of Yankee fans...you know how BFIB think Yadi is a first ballot HOFer? Yankee fans are like that with everyone.
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Quote from: Tonker on November 02, 2017, 12:49:12 AM
HA HA HA - fuck the Dodgers forever. I hope the Yankees of the NL never win another World Series.
I mean, I would kind of like the Cubs to be the Yankees of the NL. If the Cubs start spending 200 million a year to keep this run going/tack on more titles would you think that makes them bad in some way?
It makes them hatable by pretty much every other fanbase in the NL, but apparently we are already on that track regardless, so... ::shrug::
I mean I get it, I also hated the Yankees when I was a kid but when I grew up and looked at the economics of the sport...between their personal fortunes and the revenue sharing the sport has just about every owner should be racking up payrolls north of 150 million and trying to win. I'm not going to fault LA/NY for having owners that do. I'm just glad the Cubs are in the same group now. Bud Selig's "what about the poor widdle small market teams" rhetoric of the 90s was just cover to get the fans behind an anti-labor approach that would save cheapskates like Reinsdorf from having to actually pay players to compete.
I liked the Yankees in 1977. I ate a few Reggie bars. They became hatable in about 1979.
Yeah the only issue I have with the Yankees is their level of success. I hated the Giants after 3 WS, too. I don't hate them for how much money they spent to get those rings. Everyone should do that.
Try living in a city full of Yankee fans...you know how BFIB think Yadi is a first ballot HOFer? Yankee fans are like that with everyone.
Oh the fans are not the issue here, Yankees fans truly suck.
Honestly I'm not even disputing that the Yankees are hateable. I hate the Yankees, but I really owe that more to all of the massive amounts of success they have had in my lifetime, not because they spend money to get there. Like I said, the Giants and Cardinals were never the highest payroll teams but their repeated success also made them hateable. I guess I was just wondering what, in Tonk's definition, made the Dodgers the "NL Yankees" other than money, because it's certainly not recent success. If you hate them just for having a big payroll that's dumb.
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Quote from: Tonker on November 02, 2017, 12:49:12 AM
HA HA HA - fuck the Dodgers forever. I hope the Yankees of the NL never win another World Series.
I mean, I would kind of like the Cubs to be the Yankees of the NL. If the Cubs start spending 200 million a year to keep this run going/tack on more titles would you think that makes them bad in some way?
It makes them hatable by pretty much every other fanbase in the NL, but apparently we are already on that track regardless, so... ::shrug::
I mean I get it, I also hated the Yankees when I was a kid but when I grew up and looked at the economics of the sport...between their personal fortunes and the revenue sharing the sport has just about every owner should be racking up payrolls north of 150 million and trying to win. I'm not going to fault LA/NY for having owners that do. I'm just glad the Cubs are in the same group now. Bud Selig's "what about the poor widdle small market teams" rhetoric of the 90s was just cover to get the fans behind an anti-labor approach that would save cheapskates like Reinsdorf from having to actually pay players to compete.
I liked the Yankees in 1977. I ate a few Reggie bars. They became hatable in about 1979.
Yeah the only issue I have with the Yankees is their level of success. I hated the Giants after 3 WS, too. I don't hate them for how much money they spent to get those rings. Everyone should do that.
Try living in a city full of Yankee fans...you know how BFIB think Yadi is a first ballot HOFer? Yankee fans are like that with everyone.
Oh the fans are not the issue here, Yankees fans truly suck.
Honestly I'm not even disputing that the Yankees are hateable. I hate the Yankees, but I really owe that more to all of the massive amounts of success they have had in my lifetime, not because they spend money to get there. Like I said, the Giants and Cardinals were never the highest payroll teams but their repeated success also made them hateable. I guess I was just wondering what, in Tonk's definition, made the Dodgers the "NL Yankees" other than money, because it's certainly not recent success. If you hate them just for having a big payroll that's dumb.
I think it's actually the fans that will make the Cubs particularly hatable, mixed with (I hope) a prolonged period of success. You can have dickbag fans, everyone's got those, but they are easy to ignore if their team sucks. But when any team enjoys a long period of success, those fans get louder and louder, and that's what really causes fans of other teams to hate your team. We could argue that the Cubs have more "high level" fans than the majority of mouth-breathers who make up the Cardinals fanbase, for example, but there will be just as many - if not moreso - entitled, mouth-breathing Cub fans in the coming years, and the hate will pile on.
I'm totally ok with that.
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HA HA HA - fuck the Dodgers forever. I hope the Yankees of the NL never win another World Series.
I mean, I would kind of like the Cubs to be the Yankees of the NL. If the Cubs start spending 200 million a year to keep this run going/tack on more titles would you think that makes them bad in some way?
It makes them hatable by pretty much every other fanbase in the NL, but apparently we are already on that track regardless, so... ::shrug::
I mean I get it, I also hated the Yankees when I was a kid but when I grew up and looked at the economics of the sport...between their personal fortunes and the revenue sharing the sport has just about every owner should be racking up payrolls north of 150 million and trying to win. I'm not going to fault LA/NY for having owners that do. I'm just glad the Cubs are in the same group now. Bud Selig's "what about the poor widdle small market teams" rhetoric of the 90s was just cover to get the fans behind an anti-labor approach that would save cheapskates like Reinsdorf from having to actually pay players to compete.
I liked the Yankees in 1977. I ate a few Reggie bars. They became hatable in about 1979.
Yeah the only issue I have with the Yankees is their level of success. I hated the Giants after 3 WS, too. I don't hate them for how much money they spent to get those rings. Everyone should do that.
Try living in a city full of Yankee fans...you know how BFIB think Yadi is a first ballot HOFer? Yankee fans are like that with everyone.
Oh the fans are not the issue here, Yankees fans truly suck.
Honestly I'm not even disputing that the Yankees are hateable. I hate the Yankees, but I really owe that more to all of the massive amounts of success they have had in my lifetime, not because they spend money to get there. Like I said, the Giants and Cardinals were never the highest payroll teams but their repeated success also made them hateable. I guess I was just wondering what, in Tonk's definition, made the Dodgers the "NL Yankees" other than money, because it's certainly not recent success. If you hate them just for having a big payroll that's dumb.
I think it's actually the fans that will make the Cubs particularly hatable, mixed with (I hope) a prolonged period of success. You can have dickbag fans, everyone's got those, but they are easy to ignore if their team sucks. But when any team enjoys a long period of success, those fans get louder and louder, and that's what really causes fans of other teams to hate your team. We could argue that the Cubs have more "high level" fans than the majority of mouth-breathers who make up the Cardinals fanbase, for example, but there will be just as many - if not moreso - entitled, mouth-breathing Cub fans in the coming years, and the hate will pile on.
I'm totally ok with that.
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Justin Upton staying with the Angels.
And holy shit Pujols had an awful year.
Quote from: D. Doluntap on November 02, 2017, 01:22:30 PM
Justin Upton staying with the Angels.
And holy shit Pujols had an awful year.
He had a 3.6 WAR in his first year away from the St. Louis genetics lab, and that was his best season in the AL.
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Justin Upton staying with the Angels.
And holy shit Pujols had an awful year.
He had a 3.6 WAR in his first year away from the St. Louis genetics lab, and that was his best season in the AL.
I mean without accusing the man of using steroids in STL he also turned 31 when he signed that contract and sluggers tend to decline right around that point anyway.
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Quote from: D. Doluntap on November 02, 2017, 01:22:30 PM
Justin Upton staying with the Angels.
And holy shit Pujols had an awful year.
He had a 3.6 WAR in his first year away from the St. Louis genetics lab, and that was his best season in the AL.
I mean without accusing the man of using steroids in STL he also turned 31 when he signed that contract and sluggers tend to decline right around that point anyway.
HGH. It was as prevalent as St. Paul Sandwiches in Saint Loo.
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Quote from: D. Doluntap on November 02, 2017, 01:22:30 PM
Justin Upton staying with the Angels.
And holy shit Pujols had an awful year.
He had a 3.6 WAR in his first year away from the St. Louis genetics lab, and that was his best season in the AL.
I mean without accusing the man of using steroids in STL he also turned 31 when he signed that contract and sluggers tend to decline right around that point anyway.
HGH. It was as prevalent as St. Paul Sandwiches in Saint Loo.
You root for a team that employed Sammy Sosa, Glenallen Hill, and Gary Matthews Jr, among others. Lobbing steroid insults at other fanbases is dumb. Everyone did it. The Cardinals just had better players to pump them with. Pujols has sucked since he left STL because he got old right at the same time that fastball velocities ticked up and strike zones widened. Roids have little if anything to do with it even if he was on them. Testing was implemented before 2011 anyway.
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Quote from: D. Doluntap on November 02, 2017, 01:22:30 PM
Justin Upton staying with the Angels.
And holy shit Pujols had an awful year.
He had a 3.6 WAR in his first year away from the St. Louis genetics lab, and that was his best season in the AL.
I mean without accusing the man of using steroids in STL he also turned 31 when he signed that contract and sluggers tend to decline right around that point anyway.
HGH. It was as prevalent as St. Paul Sandwiches in Saint Loo.
You root for a team that employed Sammy Sosa, Glenallen Hill, and Gary Matthews Jr, among others. Lobbing steroid insults at other fanbases is dumb. Everyone did it. The Cardinals just had better players to pump them with. Pujols has sucked since he left STL because he got old right at the same time that fastball velocities ticked up and strike zones widened. Roids have little if anything to do with it even if he was on them. Testing was implemented before 2011 anyway.
I don't think that's an insult. It's an explanation.
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Quote from: SKO on November 02, 2017, 02:21:02 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on November 02, 2017, 02:14:59 PM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on November 02, 2017, 01:22:30 PM
Justin Upton staying with the Angels.
And holy shit Pujols had an awful year.
He had a 3.6 WAR in his first year away from the St. Louis genetics lab, and that was his best season in the AL.
I mean without accusing the man of using steroids in STL he also turned 31 when he signed that contract and sluggers tend to decline right around that point anyway.
HGH. It was as prevalent as St. Paul Sandwiches in Saint Loo.
You root for a team that employed Sammy Sosa, Glenallen Hill, and Gary Matthews Jr, among others. Lobbing steroid insults at other fanbases is dumb. Everyone did it. The Cardinals just had better players to pump them with. Pujols has sucked since he left STL because he got old right at the same time that fastball velocities ticked up and strike zones widened. Roids have little if anything to do with it even if he was on them. Testing was implemented before 2011 anyway.
HGH testing wasn't implemented until he left STL.
You forgot Kerry Wood, Mark Prior, Kyle Farnsworth...
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Justin Upton staying with the Angels.
And holy shit Pujols had an awful year.
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Shit my bad.
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Quote from: Quality Start Machine on November 02, 2017, 03:29:39 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 02, 2017, 02:21:02 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on November 02, 2017, 02:14:59 PM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on November 02, 2017, 01:22:30 PM
Justin Upton staying with the Angels.
And holy shit Pujols had an awful year.
He had a 3.6 WAR in his first year away from the St. Louis genetics lab, and that was his best season in the AL.
I mean without accusing the man of using steroids in STL he also turned 31 when he signed that contract and sluggers tend to decline right around that point anyway.
HGH. It was as prevalent as St. Paul Sandwiches in Saint Loo.
You root for a team that employed Sammy Sosa, Glenallen Hill, and Gary Matthews Jr, among others. Lobbing steroid insults at other fanbases is dumb. Everyone did it. The Cardinals just had better players to pump them with. Pujols has sucked since he left STL because he got old right at the same time that fastball velocities ticked up and strike zones widened. Roids have little if anything to do with it even if he was on them. Testing was implemented before 2011 anyway.
HGH testing wasn't implemented until he left STL.
You forgot Kerry Wood, Mark Prior, Kyle Farnsworth...
YOU FUCKING TAKE THAT BACK.