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Quote from: Brownie on July 19, 2017, 11:19:04 AM

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Quote from: SKO on July 19, 2017, 08:45:02 AM

Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 19, 2017, 08:33:52 AM
It's going to be hard to make fun of them from here on out. Rick Hahn is doing a solid Theo imitation.

Let's see how the draft goes for them, they've got some work to do if they're going to catch the Phillies for the first overall pick.

Actually I think the easy way to make fun of them is to point out that the reason their rebuild is going so awesome is because normally teams that are rebuilding don't have a billion young, cheap, controllable players like Sale/Quintana/Eaton/Abreu to trade, because most teams would have spent money and figured out how to actually win something with that group.

Yeah, but the change in the Sox's organizational thinking perfectly coincides with Hahn actually getting free reign. Kenny Williams is a fucking dunce. I don't even think you could find Sox fans who would argue that point.

I think Rick Hahn is a smart dude, but "free reign" to trade and wheel and deal is not the same as getting the cash he's going to eventually need to put them over the top. It is extremely hard to build an entire world series contender from the ground up. The Royals are about the only team in recent memory that has done it. The Cubs smartly built a core that gave them production and cost certainty but they wouldn't have done what they did the last two years without dropping serious cash on Lester/Lackey/Zobrist/Heyward/Fowler that the White Sox have rarely ever been willing to commit. The Astros did the greatest tear it all down rebuild of them all and even they realized before this year they needed to plop down a bunch of cash for guys like McCann and Reddick.

Also I mean as awesome as the players they've acquired are the odds are probably still against even one of them becoming as great of a player as Chris Sale was. I still think the likeliest scenario for a Sox rebuild is they end up with the same 85 win true talent roster they refuse to add on to that they had before this year.

The more likely scenario is that a different owner will make those spending decisions. Reinsdorf has said for years that his family should keep the Bulls and sell the Sox after he's gone. http://www.espn.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/9299151/jerry-reinsdorf-suggests-selling-chicago-white-sox-succession-plans

Wow. That man really fucking hates Bulls fans.

He makes a fuckload more dough off the NBA and United Center revenue than he'd ever make off having the second-most popular baseball team in town.

Not sure that's right given the way the lease is on Comiskey as of today. But, he owns the UC and only leases Comiskey. Leases can change. Long term upside far higher on the UC property. Further, with a salary cap in the NBA, profits are pretty much guaranteed vs. MLB.

When does Comiskularate Field lease expire? Sox could be a candidate to move to Vegas, Charlotte, or Montreal.

2029

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/columnists/ct-rosenthal-white-sox-guaranteed-rate-isfa-0828-biz-20160826-column.html

Quote from: SKO on July 19, 2017, 02:42:25 PM
One of us should probably have bumped this when he recorded the final out of the World Series.

We were busy

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Quote from: SKO on July 17, 2017, 08:51:07 AM
I don't really feel bad throwing his one great start in the faces of people who shat on the trade even though it's a small sample size since those people have already decided that 3-4 bad starts this year mean more than 150+ starts of awesome over the last 3 years. Anyone who had a problem with this trade can still get soundly fucked.

Forget it. Quintana can win World Series MVP each of the next three years, and the first time Eloy puts one into the upper deck at Glen Lerner Field (that's what it will be by then), meatballs will be lighting up the Score's call-in lines.

Oh the meatballs don't bug me, it's the Extremely Rational Fans^TM who stand alone in the wilderness, the only souls smart enough and brave enough to say "umm, excuse me, but Prospects are actually Good and therefore this trade is bad." There are an annoying number of those, people who have spent way too much time writing about Cubs prospects the last 5 years and have reached the point where they can't rationally discuss parting with any of them and thus slander a dude like Jose Quintana as unworthy.

Yeah, but that's kind of meatballish thinking too...do you think they'd feel any differently had the same 4 guys brought back Kershaw?

Look, the Cubs have two lefties in the rotation now that are as good as any two lefties the Cubs have had in (looks it up) ever. Yeah, I admit I thought the price was high at first, until I remembered that it cost Torres to get a rental that helped the Cubs win the World Series. If Torres ever becomes a 5 WAR guy for the Yankees, you don't think people here will piss and moan about it?

Oh people bitch about losing Torres now, that never stopped. Most of 'em just point to game 7 as proof they didn't "need" Chapman, which kind of ignores how crucial he was in Game 5 among others, but oh well.

I agree we need to re-define meatball a bit. We live in a post-analytics world and have to stop assuming anyone with even a basic working knowledge of things like WAR or whatever has to be in "our" camp vs the meatball camp. The fact is prospect huggers and Dave Cameron-esque people who make up trade value rankings in a vacuum and tut tut any trade that doesn't line up perfectly in terms of their own scoring system are meatballs of a different sort. It's really just a more advanced way of doing the meatball fan trade proposal of "a buncha crap my team doesn't need for your star" whether they admit it or not.

There are three things everyone in the world thinks they can do better than the person doing it...drive a cab, run a hotel and build a baseball team.

Never mind that the guy currently doing it at 1060 W. Addison St. has proven to be one of the best in the history of baseball at doing at least one of these things. But I've never seen him drive, and I've never seen his picture in any of the hotels where I've stayed.

Is this a thing? Is this the definitive list?

I mean it also leaves out "manage a baseball team", which is absurd, since history's Great Tacticians have all pined for a chance to show they know more than Joe Maddon.

After reading Twitter this weekend, you may want to add 'cast a TV show' to the list as well

Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on July 17, 2017, 09:28:43 AM
Death & Misdemeanors

Crime and Capitol Felonies.

Quote from: SKO on July 07, 2017, 01:58:22 PM
2nd and 3rd, no out, 3-4-5 due up, against a pitcher with an ERA north of 4.50. Did they score? Of course they didn't.

Intrepid Reader Ritchie Cunningham

After that, they scored 6 runs.

Bump.  He's pretty good leading off games.

bump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBQ3HbB0c8Y


An pilot for a show written by Conan O'Brien and Robert Smigel starring West as a former TV detective who solves crimes in real life.  Well worth a watch.

We may need to rename him (them) Meddie Buttgomery

Bump for throwing picking off Pham at first (you read that correctly)

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Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2017, 08:14:38 AM
Wade Davis is the most amazing closer I have ever seen. He doesn't even break a sweat out there. Even the one time he seemed like he even had the possibility of blowing it, after Willson and Rizzo let that disaster happen in STL, he just yawned and took down Fat Adams like it was nothing. Cutter, Cutter, Cutter, let's go home boys.

Too bad he's being wasted on a team that can't seem to get it together. I'm not saying it's too late by any means, but it's frustrating to see them stumble along.

Oh I know, dude. They're 19-19 in May, to find a team that was .500 at this point in the season and made, say, a league Championship Series you'd have to go all of the way back to last year. To find a team that was 19-19 and managed to win the NLC a year after making it to the World Series you gotta go all of the way back to 2014 . To find a team that was .500 this late in the year (or even, like, a month and a half later) and made the world series you gotta go all of the way back to 2015.

Such a waste.

I did have the thought, last night, that choosing any time on this homestand for Davis to blow his first Save would be tough to swallow.  Hopefully they get on a roll on this homestand and when Davis does blow his first save--which will happen at some point-- that it'll be when they're 10 over and in first place.  I know the thought of "getting a blown save out of the way" is irrational, but so is investing our emotion in contests over. which we have no control so here we are.

...or instead of blowing his first save at an inopportune time, he can come in with a 3-run lead and get his first bad outing out of the way, and the Cubs sill win.  Win-Win.

The Ol' Rod Beck Sweaty Joe Borowski Save.

No Moore

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Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 16, 2017, 02:03:55 PM
People don't tune in to hear everything is fine.

People don't turn in to hear everything they think is wrong.

This is a large part of the problem. People would rather feel informed than actually be informed. Tuning in for daily affirmation achieves that.

Just another form of faith.

"Thy guy you hoped would make your life better is a fraud."

"Yes, I mean both the politicians and God."

This is where I recommend listening to "Joe's Garage".

Chuck is right
Fork with the FZ reference
And as I edited above "confirmation bias".

Can we all just agree that our President is a sociopath and there is no true and honest reporting?

Is there an example of true and honest reporting from days gone by that you are using as a baseline? All reporters have their own worldview and biases on which facts are worthy of gathering, and they report to editors who have their own worldview and biases that impact their decisions on what gets reported, and they report to media executives who have their own worldview and biases that impact who they hired in the first place, and they report to board members who want to consolidate and synergize and cut costs in an industry that should be a public good. I don't know how a rational person could expect there to be any One True Journalism that could emerge through all those filters.

R-V I think your points are very valid. Think about the Tribune  and Colonel McCormick.
But I do believe there was a time when reporters and editors tried to be considerably more accurate than today.
Blue pencil and all.

Or, when is news no longer what matters?

Maybe to me its a 'what's old is new again', but the original reporting (not the analysis or the commentary) from the Times, the Post and the Journal to me strikes me as quite 5W right now (and the bigger the story the more 'straight down the middle' sources seeking to remain credible will be). There are slants and biases, but you know what they are when you walk in.

Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2017, 01:59:51 AM
Dylan Floro will try to live up to the high expectations that come with donning Brian Matusz's #15.

Already exceeded them

Hank Azaria plays an baseball announcer who has a melt down on air disappears for 10 years to call cock fights in the Philippines and returns to call games for a hole in the wall team in the middle of Pennsylvania owned by Amanda Peet.  Show started funny and just keeps getting funnier.  IFC.