Of the 141 teams the Chicago National League entry has fielded since 1876, 53 have managed to amass at least 82 wins. The Cubs of 2016 have the 32nd-most wins in franchise history (77th percentile)
Top Cubs teams in history by wins:
1. 1906 -- 116
2. 1907 --107
3. 1909 -- 104
3. 1910 -- 104
5. 1935 -- 100
6. 1908 -- 99
7. 1945 -- 98
7. 1929 -- 98
9. 2015 -- 97
9. 2008 -- 97
11. 1984 -- 96
12. 1989 -- 93
12. 1904 --93
12. 1937 -- 93
15. 1911 -- 92
15. 1905 -- 92
15. 1969 -- 92
18. 1912 -91
18. 1928 -- 91
20. 1998 -- 90
20. 1930 -- 90
20. 1932 --90
20. 1886 -- 90
24. 1938 -- 89
24. 2004 -- 89
26. 2003 -- 88
26. 2001 -- 88
26. 1913 --88
29. 1936 -- 87
29. 1885 -- 87
29. 1967 -- 87
32. 2016 -- 86
32. 1933 -- 86
32. 1934 -- 86
35. 2007 -- 85
35. 1898 -- 85
35. 1927 -- 85
35. 1972 -- 85
39. 1970 -- 84
39. 1968 -- 84
39. 1939 -- 84
39. 1931 -- 84
39. 1918 -- 84
39. 1993 -- 84
45. 2009 -- 83
45. 1971 -- 83
45. 1923 -- 83
45. 1890 -- 83
49. 1926 -- 82
49. 1891 -- 82
49. 1903 -- 82
49. 1946 -- 82
49. 1963 -- 82
Since World War II, there have been 17 teams to do that in the 71 seasons. This team is already the 10th best (86th percentile):
1. 2015 -- 97
1. 2008 -- 97
3. 1984 -- 96
4. 1989 -- 93
5. 1969 -- 92
6. 2004 -- 89
7. 2003 -- 88
7. 2001 -- 88
9. 1967 -- 87
10. 2016 -- 86
11. 2007 -- 85
11. 1972 -- 85
13. 1970 -- 84
13. 1968 -- 84
13. 1993 -- 84
16. 2009 -- 83
17. 1946 -- 82
17. 1963 -- 82
I'd be very surprised if we're not looking at the best Cubs' team since Tinker, Evers and Chance.
They still have 13 games left against the Reds and Brewers, but the rest of the games are against teams better than .500. They'll be resting some guys (right, Joe?) so we probably shouldn't expect them to keep playing at a .650 clip.
So, winning 8 of 13 against the dregs of the division, then splitting the remainder of the games gets them to 102 wins. That seems like a reasonable over/under point. I'd probably bet on the over, but I'd rather see guys get rest -- I don't really care if they win 105 games vs. 101 games.
Going another way with the data, here's a ranking of the top 20 teams by the number of games they finished over .500
Year G W L Ties Games Over .500
1906 155 116 36 3 80
1885 113 87 25 1 62
1907 155 107 45 3 62
1886 126 90 34 2 56
1909 155 104 49 2 55
1910 154 104 50 0 54
1880 86 67 17 2 50
1935 154 100 54 0 46
1929 156 98 54 4 44
1908 158 99 55 4 44
1945 155 98 56 1 42
1918 131 84 45 2 39
2016 133 86 47 0 39
1876 66 52 14 0 38
1904 156 93 60 3 33
2008 161 97 64 0 33
1912 152 91 59 2 32
1937 154 93 61 0 32
2015 162 97 65 0 32
1905 155 92 61 2 31
If they can somehow climb to, and finish at or above, 47 games over .500, it'll mark the most games over .500 since the 1910 team (+54).
Unless and until this team eclipses 46 games over, the 1935 Cubs remain the standard-bearer of all post T-E-C teams.
Next up are the Cubs of 1918 (+39), 1945 (+42), 1908 (!) and 1929 (+44).
We're in rarefied air, folks.
Quote from: Eli on September 02, 2016, 11:58:32 AM
They still have 13 games left against the Reds and Brewers, but the rest of the games are against teams better than .500. They'll be resting some guys (right, Joe?) so we probably shouldn't expect them to keep playing at a .650 clip.
So, winning 8 of 13 against the dregs of the division, then splitting the remainder of the games gets them to 102 wins. That seems like a reasonable over/under point. I'd probably bet on the over, but I'd rather see guys get rest -- I don't really care if they win 105 games vs. 101 games.
Yeah, I'd rather have a well rested, well prepared team in the postseason, than pointless bragging about how many wins above 100 they go.
Quote from: Tonker on September 02, 2016, 11:34:33 AM
I'd be very surprised if we're not looking at the best Cubs' team since Tinker, Evers and Chance.
With the hubris you've all come to know and love, I'm calling it - this team wins both more pennants and World Series than that aggregate.
Quote from: Bort on September 02, 2016, 12:01:21 PM
Quote from: Eli on September 02, 2016, 11:58:32 AM
They still have 13 games left against the Reds and Brewers, but the rest of the games are against teams better than .500. They'll be resting some guys (right, Joe?) so we probably shouldn't expect them to keep playing at a .650 clip.
So, winning 8 of 13 against the dregs of the division, then splitting the remainder of the games gets them to 102 wins. That seems like a reasonable over/under point. I'd probably bet on the over, but I'd rather see guys get rest -- I don't really care if they win 105 games vs. 101 games.
Yeah, I'd rather have a well rested, well prepared team in the postseason, than pointless bragging about how many wins above 100 they go.
Agreed, though for completely irrational reasons I would like them to hit the arbitrary 100 at least.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on September 02, 2016, 12:03:03 PM
Quote from: Bort on September 02, 2016, 12:01:21 PM
Quote from: Eli on September 02, 2016, 11:58:32 AM
They still have 13 games left against the Reds and Brewers, but the rest of the games are against teams better than .500. They'll be resting some guys (right, Joe?) so we probably shouldn't expect them to keep playing at a .650 clip.
So, winning 8 of 13 against the dregs of the division, then splitting the remainder of the games gets them to 102 wins. That seems like a reasonable over/under point. I'd probably bet on the over, but I'd rather see guys get rest -- I don't really care if they win 105 games vs. 101 games.
Yeah, I'd rather have a well rested, well prepared team in the postseason, than pointless bragging about how many wins above 100 they go.
Agreed, though for completely irrational reasons I would like them to hit the arbitrary 100 at least.
I think we all know what the point of September is, and even with Joe resting guys, 100 wins is very likely, and 97 or more (which puts them in the top 10 of all Cubs teams in history) is a slam dunk. The whole purpose of this thread was just to give another measure of what the team has accomplished already with a month of play left.
Of the 141 teams the Chicago National League entry has fielded since 1876, 53 have managed to amass at least 82 wins. The Cubs of 2016 have the 29th-most wins in franchise history (79th percentile)
Top Cubs teams in history by wins:
1. 1906 -- 116
2. 1907 --107
3. 1909 -- 104
3. 1910 -- 104
5. 1935 -- 100
6. 1908 -- 99
7. 1945 -- 98
7. 1929 -- 98
9. 2015 -- 97
9. 2008 -- 97
11. 1984 -- 96
12. 1989 -- 93
12. 1904 --93
12. 1937 -- 93
15. 1911 -- 92
15. 1905 -- 92
15. 1969 -- 92
18. 1912 -91
18. 1928 -- 91
20. 1998 -- 90
20. 1930 -- 90
20. 1932 --90
20. 1886 -- 90
24. 1938 -- 89
24. 2004 -- 89
26. 2003 -- 88
26. 2001 -- 88
26. 1913 --88
29. 2016 -- 87
29. 1936 -- 87
29. 1885 -- 87
29. 1967 -- 87
33. 1933 -- 86
33. 1934 -- 86
35. 2007 -- 85
35. 1898 -- 85
35. 1927 -- 85
35. 1972 -- 85
39. 1970 -- 84
39. 1968 -- 84
39. 1939 -- 84
39. 1931 -- 84
39. 1918 -- 84
39. 1993 -- 84
45. 2009 -- 83
45. 1971 -- 83
45. 1923 -- 83
45. 1890 -- 83
49. 1926 -- 82
49. 1891 -- 82
49. 1903 -- 82
49. 1946 -- 82
49. 1963 -- 82
Since World War II, there have been 17 teams to do that in the 71 seasons. This team is already the 9th best (87th percentile):
1. 2015 -- 97
1. 2008 -- 97
3. 1984 -- 96
4. 1989 -- 93
5. 1969 -- 92
6. 2004 -- 89
7. 2003 -- 88
7. 2001 -- 88
9. 2016 -- 87
9. 1967 -- 87
11. 2007 -- 85
11. 1972 -- 85
13. 1970 -- 84
13. 1968 -- 84
13. 1993 -- 84
16. 2009 -- 83
17. 1946 -- 82
17. 1963 -- 82
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Going into a three-game series in Milwaukee:
1. 1906 -- 116
2. 1907 --107
3. 1909 -- 104
3. 1910 -- 104
5. 1935 -- 100
6. 1908 -- 99
7. 1945 -- 98
7. 1929 -- 98
9. 2015 -- 97
9. 2008 -- 97
11. 1984 -- 96
12. 1989 -- 93
12. 1904 --93
12. 1937 -- 93
15. 1911 -- 92
15. 1905 -- 92
15. 1969 -- 92
18. 1912 -91
18. 1928 -- 91
20. 1998 -- 90
20. 1930 -- 90
20. 1932 --90
20. 1886 -- 90
24. 1938 -- 89
24. 2004 -- 89
26. 2016 -- 88
26. 2003 -- 88
26. 2001 -- 88
26. 1913 --88
30. 1936 -- 87
30. 1885 -- 87
30. 1967 -- 87
33. 1933 -- 86
33. 1934 -- 86
35. 2007 -- 85
35. 1898 -- 85
35. 1927 -- 85
35. 1972 -- 85
39. 1970 -- 84
39. 1968 -- 84
39. 1939 -- 84
39. 1931 -- 84
39. 1918 -- 84
39. 1993 -- 84
45. 2009 -- 83
45. 1971 -- 83
45. 1923 -- 83
45. 1890 -- 83
49. 1926 -- 82
49. 1891 -- 82
49. 1903 -- 82
49. 1946 -- 82
49. 1963 -- 82
Since World War II, there have been 17 teams to do that in the 71 seasons. This team is already the 7th best (90th percentile):
1. 2015 -- 97
1. 2008 -- 97
3. 1984 -- 96
4. 1989 -- 93
5. 1969 -- 92
6. 2004 -- 89
7. 2016 -- 88
7. 2003 -- 88
7. 2001 -- 88
10. 1967 -- 87
11. 2007 -- 85
11. 1972 -- 85
13. 1970 -- 84
13. 1968 -- 84
13. 1993 -- 84
16. 2009 -- 83
17. 1946 -- 82
17. 1963 -- 82
Another day, another win. Tomorrow, a chance to pass that reviled 2004 squad.
1. 1906 -- 116
2. 1907 --107
3. 1909 -- 104
3. 1910 -- 104
5. 1935 -- 100
6. 1908 -- 99
7. 1945 -- 98
7. 1929 -- 98
9. 2015 -- 97
9. 2008 -- 97
11. 1984 -- 96
12. 1989 -- 93
12. 1904 --93
12. 1937 -- 93
15. 1911 -- 92
15. 1905 -- 92
15. 1969 -- 92
18. 1912 -91
18. 1928 -- 91
20. 1998 -- 90
20. 1930 -- 90
20. 1932 --90
20. 1886 -- 90
24. 2016 -- 89
24. 1938 -- 89
24. 2004 -- 89
27. 2003 -- 88
27. 2001 -- 88
27. 1913 --88
30. 1936 -- 87
30. 1885 -- 87
30. 1967 -- 87
33. 1933 -- 86
33. 1934 -- 86
35. 2007 -- 85
35. 1898 -- 85
35. 1927 -- 85
35. 1972 -- 85
39. 1970 -- 84
39. 1968 -- 84
39. 1939 -- 84
39. 1931 -- 84
39. 1918 -- 84
39. 1993 -- 84
45. 2009 -- 83
45. 1971 -- 83
45. 1923 -- 83
45. 1890 -- 83
49. 1926 -- 82
49. 1891 -- 82
49. 1903 -- 82
49. 1946 -- 82
49. 1963 -- 82
Since World War II, there have been 17 teams to do that in the 71 seasons. This team is already the 7th best (90th percentile):
1. 2015 -- 97
1. 2008 -- 97
3. 1984 -- 96
4. 1989 -- 93
5. 1969 -- 92
6. 2016 -- 89
6. 2004 -- 89
8. 2003 -- 88
8. 2001 -- 88
10. 1967 -- 87
11. 2007 -- 85
11. 1972 -- 85
13. 1970 -- 84
13. 1968 -- 84
13. 1993 -- 84
16. 2009 -- 83
17. 1946 -- 82
17. 1963 -- 82
[/quote]
Quote from: Brownie on September 05, 2016, 03:29:13 PM
Another day, another win. Tomorrow, a chance to pass that reviled 2004 squad.
1. 1906 -- 116
2. 1907 --107
3. 1909 -- 104
3. 1910 -- 104
5. 1935 -- 100
6. 1908 -- 99
7. 1945 -- 98
7. 1929 -- 98
9. 2015 -- 97
9. 2008 -- 97
11. 1984 -- 96
12. 1989 -- 93
12. 1904 --93
12. 1937 -- 93
15. 1911 -- 92
15. 1905 -- 92
15. 1969 -- 92
18. 1912 -91
18. 1928 -- 91
20. 1998 -- 90
20. 1930 -- 90
20. 1932 --90
20. 1886 -- 90
24. 2016 -- 89
24. 1938 -- 89
24. 2004 -- 89
27. 2003 -- 88
27. 2001 -- 88
27. 1913 --88
30. 1936 -- 87
30. 1885 -- 87
30. 1967 -- 87
33. 1933 -- 86
33. 1934 -- 86
35. 2007 -- 85
35. 1898 -- 85
35. 1927 -- 85
35. 1972 -- 85
39. 1970 -- 84
39. 1968 -- 84
39. 1939 -- 84
39. 1931 -- 84
39. 1918 -- 84
39. 1993 -- 84
45. 2009 -- 83
45. 1971 -- 83
45. 1923 -- 83
45. 1890 -- 83
49. 1926 -- 82
49. 1891 -- 82
49. 1903 -- 82
49. 1946 -- 82
49. 1963 -- 82
Since World War II, there have been 17 teams to do that in the 71 seasons. This team is already the 7th best (90th percentile):
1. 2015 -- 97
1. 2008 -- 97
3. 1984 -- 96
4. 1989 -- 93
5. 1969 -- 92
6. 2016 -- 89
6. 2004 -- 89
8. 2003 -- 88
8. 2001 -- 88
10. 1967 -- 87
11. 2007 -- 85
11. 1972 -- 85
13. 1970 -- 84
13. 1968 -- 84
13. 1993 -- 84
16. 2009 -- 83
17. 1946 -- 82
17. 1963 -- 82
Fixed.
I mean, WWII ended in August 45, and the MLB season ended in September 45... I think they should probably be included in the lower list
Quote from: Yeti on September 06, 2016, 08:10:16 AM
I mean, WWII ended in August 45, and the MLB season ended in September 45... I think they should probably be included in the lower list
Maybe. I was just using the only Game 7 of a World Series the Cubs played in as a line of demarcation.
Sayonara, 2004 Cubs. Nice to beat the Astros to remind me of how much I disliked that team.
1. 1906 -- 116
2. 1907 --107
3. 1909 -- 104
3. 1910 -- 104
5. 1935 -- 100
6. 1908 -- 99
7. 1945 -- 98
7. 1929 -- 98
9. 2015 -- 97
9. 2008 -- 97
11. 1984 -- 96
12. 1989 -- 93
12. 1904 --93
12. 1937 -- 93
15. 1911 -- 92
15. 1905 -- 92
15. 1969 -- 92
18. 1912 -91
18. 1928 -- 91
20. 1998 -- 90
20. 1930 -- 90
20. 1932 --90
20. 1886 -- 90
20. 2016 -- 90
25. 1938 -- 89
25. 2004 -- 89
27. 2003 -- 88
27. 2001 -- 88
27. 1913 --88
30. 1936 -- 87
30. 1885 -- 87
30. 1967 -- 87
33. 1933 -- 86
33. 1934 -- 86
35. 2007 -- 85
35. 1898 -- 85
35. 1927 -- 85
35. 1972 -- 85
39. 1970 -- 84
39. 1968 -- 84
39. 1939 -- 84
39. 1931 -- 84
39. 1918 -- 84
39. 1993 -- 84
45. 2009 -- 83
45. 1971 -- 83
45. 1923 -- 83
45. 1890 -- 83
49. 1926 -- 82
49. 1891 -- 82
49. 1903 -- 82
49. 1946 -- 82
49. 1963 -- 82
Since World War II, there have been 17 teams to do that in the 71 seasons. This team is already the 6th best (91st percentile):
1. 2015 -- 97
1. 2008 -- 97
3. 1984 -- 96
4. 1989 -- 93
5. 1969 -- 92
6. 2016 -- 90
7. 2004 -- 89
8. 2003 -- 88
8. 2001 -- 88
10. 1967 -- 87
11. 2007 -- 85
11. 1972 -- 85
13. 1970 -- 84
13. 1968 -- 84
13. 1993 -- 84
16. 2009 -- 83
17. 1946 -- 82
17. 1963 -- 82
[/quote]
[/quote]
1. 1906 -- 116
2. 1907 --107
3. 1909 -- 104
3. 1910 -- 104
5. 1935 -- 100
6. 1908 -- 99
7. 1945 -- 98
7. 1929 -- 98
9. 2015 -- 97
9. 2008 -- 97
11. 1984 -- 96
12. 1989 -- 93
12. 1904 --93
12. 1937 -- 93
15. 1911 -- 92
15. 1905 -- 92
15. 1969 -- 92
18. 2016 -- 91
18. 1912 -91
18. 1928 -- 91
21. 1998 -- 90
21. 1930 -- 90
21. 1932 --90
21. 1886 -- 90
25. 1938 -- 89
25. 2004 -- 89
27. 2003 -- 88
27. 2001 -- 88
27. 1913 --88
30. 1936 -- 87
30. 1885 -- 87
30. 1967 -- 87
33. 1933 -- 86
33. 1934 -- 86
35. 2007 -- 85
35. 1898 -- 85
35. 1927 -- 85
35. 1972 -- 85
39. 1970 -- 84
39. 1968 -- 84
39. 1939 -- 84
39. 1931 -- 84
39. 1918 -- 84
39. 1993 -- 84
45. 2009 -- 83
45. 1971 -- 83
45. 1923 -- 83
45. 1890 -- 83
49. 1926 -- 82
49. 1891 -- 82
49. 1903 -- 82
49. 1946 -- 82
49. 1963 -- 82
Since World War II, there have been 17 teams to do that in the 71 seasons. This team is already the 6th best (91st percentile):
1. 2015 -- 97
1. 2008 -- 97
3. 1984 -- 96
4. 1989 -- 93
5. 1969 -- 92
6. 2016 -- 91
7. 2004 -- 89
8. 2003 -- 88
8. 2001 -- 88
10. 1967 -- 87
11. 2007 -- 85
11. 1972 -- 85
13. 1970 -- 84
13. 1968 -- 84
13. 1993 -- 84
16. 2009 -- 83
17. 1946 -- 82
17. 1963 -- 82
Quote from: Brownie on September 11, 2016, 10:36:38 PM
1. 1906 -- 116
2. 1907 --107
3. 1909 -- 104
3. 1910 -- 104
5. 1935 -- 100
6. 1908 -- 99
7. 1945 -- 98
7. 1929 -- 98
9. 2015 -- 97
9. 2008 -- 97
11. 1984 -- 96
12. 1989 -- 93
12. 1904 --93
12. 1937 -- 93
15. 1911 -- 92
15. 1905 -- 92
15. 1969 -- 92
18. 2016 -- 91
18. 1912 -91
18. 1928 -- 91
21. 1998 -- 90
21. 1930 -- 90
21. 1932 --90
21. 1886 -- 90
25. 1938 -- 89
25. 2004 -- 89
27. 2003 -- 88
27. 2001 -- 88
27. 1913 --88
30. 1936 -- 87
30. 1885 -- 87
30. 1967 -- 87
33. 1933 -- 86
33. 1934 -- 86
35. 2007 -- 85
35. 1898 -- 85
35. 1927 -- 85
35. 1972 -- 85
39. 1970 -- 84
39. 1968 -- 84
39. 1939 -- 84
39. 1931 -- 84
39. 1918 -- 84
39. 1993 -- 84
45. 2009 -- 83
45. 1971 -- 83
45. 1923 -- 83
45. 1890 -- 83
49. 1926 -- 82
49. 1891 -- 82
49. 1903 -- 82
49. 1946 -- 82
49. 1963 -- 82
Since World War II, there have been 17 teams to do that in the 71 seasons. This team is already the 6th best (91st percentile):
1. 2015 -- 97
1. 2008 -- 97
3. 1984 -- 96
4. 1989 -- 93
5. 1969 -- 92
6. 2016 -- 91
7. 2004 -- 89
8. 2003 -- 88
8. 2001 -- 88
10. 1967 -- 87
11. 2007 -- 85
11. 1972 -- 85
13. 1970 -- 84
13. 1968 -- 84
13. 1993 -- 84
16. 2009 -- 83
17. 1946 -- 82
17. 1963 -- 82
I fail to see the point of simply counting wins while ignoring the denominator, i.e., the length of the season.
Quote from: Wheezer on September 12, 2016, 12:38:37 PM
I fail to see the point of simply counting wins while ignoring the denominator, i.e., the length of the season.
Thats it. Start from scratch!
Quote from: Canadouche on September 12, 2016, 12:44:10 PM
Quote from: Wheezer on September 12, 2016, 12:38:37 PM
I fail to see the point of simply counting wins while ignoring the denominator, i.e., the length of the season.
Thats it. Start from scratch!
Everybody's building the big ships and boats
Some are building monuments, others jotting down notes
Everybody's in despair, every girl and boy
But when Quinn the Eskimo gets here, everybody's gonna jump for joy
We're just doing wins. Don't care about winning percentage; I'll let Huey worry about games over .500. Just want to demonstrate the other great teams of our youth being put in the rear view mirror with a couple weeks of baseball left.
1. 1906 -- 116
2. 1907 --107
3. 1909 -- 104
3. 1910 -- 104
5. 1935 -- 100
6. 1908 -- 99
7. 1945 -- 98
7. 1929 -- 98
9. 2015 -- 97
9. 2008 -- 97
11. 1984 -- 96
12. 1989 -- 93
12. 1904 --93
12. 1937 -- 93
15. 2016 -- 92
15. 1911 -- 92
15. 1905 -- 92
15. 1969 -- 92
19. 1912 -91
19. 1928 -- 91
21. 1998 -- 90
21. 1930 -- 90
21. 1932 --90
21. 1886 -- 90
25. 1938 -- 89
25. 2004 -- 89
27. 2003 -- 88
27. 2001 -- 88
27. 1913 --88
30. 1936 -- 87
30. 1885 -- 87
30. 1967 -- 87
33. 1933 -- 86
33. 1934 -- 86
35. 2007 -- 85
35. 1898 -- 85
35. 1927 -- 85
35. 1972 -- 85
39. 1970 -- 84
39. 1968 -- 84
39. 1939 -- 84
39. 1931 -- 84
39. 1918 -- 84
39. 1993 -- 84
45. 2009 -- 83
45. 1971 -- 83
45. 1923 -- 83
45. 1890 -- 83
49. 1926 -- 82
49. 1891 -- 82
49. 1903 -- 82
49. 1946 -- 82
49. 1963 -- 82
Top Five since World War II! (Total meaningful wins in parenthesis)
1. 2015 -- 97 (101)
1. 2008 -- 97 (97)
3. 1984 -- 96 (98)
4. 1989 -- 93 (94)
5. 1969 -- 92 (92)
5. 2016 -- 92 (92)
7. 2004 -- 89 (89)
8. 2003 -- 88 (94)
8. 2001 -- 88 (88)
10. 1967 -- 87 (87)
11. 2007 -- 85 (85)
11. 1972 -- 85 (85)
13. 1970 -- 84 (84)
13. 1968 -- 84 (84)
13. 1993 -- 84 (84)
16. 2009 -- 83 (83)
17. 1946 -- 82 (82)
17. 1963 -- 82 (82)
Tie clinched in the NL Central. Magic Number for home field advantage in NLCS: 11.
Today, we put the 1969 Cubs behind us and caught up to the Boys of Zimmer.
1. 1906 -- 116
2. 1907 --107
3. 1909 -- 104
3. 1910 -- 104
5. 1935 -- 100
6. 1908 -- 99
7. 1945 -- 98
7. 1929 -- 98
9. 2015 -- 97
9. 2008 -- 97
11. 1984 -- 96
12. 2016 -- 93
12. 1989 -- 93
12. 1904 --93
12. 1937 -- 93
16. 1911 -- 92
16. 1905 -- 92
16. 1969 -- 92
19. 1912 -91
19. 1928 -- 91
21. 1998 -- 90
21. 1930 -- 90
21. 1932 --90
21. 1886 -- 90
25. 1938 -- 89
25. 2004 -- 89
27. 2003 -- 88
27. 2001 -- 88
27. 1913 --88
30. 1936 -- 87
30. 1885 -- 87
30. 1967 -- 87
33. 1933 -- 86
33. 1934 -- 86
35. 2007 -- 85
35. 1898 -- 85
35. 1927 -- 85
35. 1972 -- 85
39. 1970 -- 84
39. 1968 -- 84
39. 1939 -- 84
39. 1931 -- 84
39. 1918 -- 84
39. 1993 -- 84
45. 2009 -- 83
45. 1971 -- 83
45. 1923 -- 83
45. 1890 -- 83
49. 1926 -- 82
49. 1891 -- 82
49. 1903 -- 82
49. 1946 -- 82
49. 1963 -- 82
Top Five since World War II! (Total meaningful wins in parenthesis)
1. 2015 -- 97 (101)
1. 2008 -- 97 (97)
3. 1984 -- 96 (98)
4. 2016 -- 93 (93)
4. 1989 -- 93 (94)
6. 1969 -- 92 (92)
7. 2004 -- 89 (89)
8. 2003 -- 88 (94)
8. 2001 -- 88 (88)
10. 1967 -- 87 (87)
11. 2007 -- 85 (85)
11. 1972 -- 85 (85)
13. 1970 -- 84 (84)
13. 1968 -- 84 (84)
13. 1993 -- 84 (84)
16. 2009 -- 83 (83)
17. 1946 -- 82 (82)
17. 1963 -- 82 (82)
[/quote]
This team can lose 15 in a row and still top the 1989 Cubs.
1. 1906 -- 116
2. 1907 --107
3. 1909 -- 104
3. 1910 -- 104
5. 1935 -- 100
6. 1908 -- 99
7. 1945 -- 98
7. 1929 -- 98
9. 2015 -- 97
9. 2008 -- 97
11. 1984 -- 96
12. 2016 -- 94
13. 1989 -- 93
13. 1904 --93
13. 1937 -- 93
16. 1911 -- 92
16. 1905 -- 92
16. 1969 -- 92
19. 1912 -91
19. 1928 -- 91
21. 1998 -- 90
21. 1930 -- 90
21. 1932 --90
21. 1886 -- 90
25. 1938 -- 89
25. 2004 -- 89
27. 2003 -- 88
27. 2001 -- 88
27. 1913 --88
30. 1936 -- 87
30. 1885 -- 87
30. 1967 -- 87
33. 1933 -- 86
33. 1934 -- 86
35. 2007 -- 85
35. 1898 -- 85
35. 1927 -- 85
35. 1972 -- 85
39. 1970 -- 84
39. 1968 -- 84
39. 1939 -- 84
39. 1931 -- 84
39. 1918 -- 84
39. 1993 -- 84
45. 2009 -- 83
45. 1971 -- 83
45. 1923 -- 83
45. 1890 -- 83
49. 1926 -- 82
49. 1891 -- 82
49. 1903 -- 82
49. 1946 -- 82
49. 1963 -- 82
Top Five since World War II! (Total meaningful wins in parenthesis)
1. 2015 -- 97 (101)
1. 2008 -- 97 (97)
3. 1984 -- 96 (98)
4. 2016 -- 94 (94)
5. 1989 -- 93 (94)
6. 1969 -- 92 (92)
7. 2004 -- 89 (89)
8. 2003 -- 88 (94)
8. 2001 -- 88 (88)
10. 1967 -- 87 (87)
11. 2007 -- 85 (85)
11. 1972 -- 85 (85)
13. 1970 -- 84 (84)
13. 1968 -- 84 (84)
13. 1993 -- 84 (84)
16. 2009 -- 83 (83)
17. 1946 -- 82 (82)
17. 1963 -- 82 (82)
As a minor aside, the Cubs have now also passed their predicted over under from their Spring Las Vegas odds (93.5).
Quote from: thehawk on September 16, 2016, 06:01:25 PM
As a minor aside, the Cubs have now also passed their predicted over under from their Spring Las Vegas odds (93.5).
Haven't they also passed their Fangraphs projection too?
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 16, 2016, 08:20:04 PM
Quote from: thehawk on September 16, 2016, 06:01:25 PM
As a minor aside, the Cubs have now also passed their predicted over under from their Spring Las Vegas odds (93.5).
Haven't they also passed their Fangraphs projection too?
From some googling, it looks like Fangraphs had them at 95 wins, so later today?
Tonight, a chance to pull even with the 1984 Cubs
1. 1906 -- 116
2. 1907 --107
3. 1909 -- 104
3. 1910 -- 104
5. 1935 -- 100
6. 1908 -- 99
7. 1945 -- 98
7. 1929 -- 98
9. 2015 -- 97
9. 2008 -- 97
11. 1984 -- 96
12. 2016 -- 95
13. 1989 -- 93
13. 1904 --93
13. 1937 -- 93
16. 1911 -- 92
16. 1905 -- 92
16. 1969 -- 92
19. 1912 -91
19. 1928 -- 91
21. 1998 -- 90
21. 1930 -- 90
21. 1932 --90
21. 1886 -- 90
25. 1938 -- 89
25. 2004 -- 89
27. 2003 -- 88
27. 2001 -- 88
27. 1913 --88
30. 1936 -- 87
30. 1885 -- 87
30. 1967 -- 87
33. 1933 -- 86
33. 1934 -- 86
35. 2007 -- 85
35. 1898 -- 85
35. 1927 -- 85
35. 1972 -- 85
39. 1970 -- 84
39. 1968 -- 84
39. 1939 -- 84
39. 1931 -- 84
39. 1918 -- 84
39. 1993 -- 84
45. 2009 -- 83
45. 1971 -- 83
45. 1923 -- 83
45. 1890 -- 83
49. 1926 -- 82
49. 1891 -- 82
49. 1903 -- 82
49. 1946 -- 82
49. 1963 -- 82
Top Five since World War II! (Total meaningful wins in parenthesis)
1. 2015 -- 97 (101)
1. 2008 -- 97 (97)
3. 1984 -- 96 (98)
4. 2016 -- 95 (95)
5. 1989 -- 93 (94)
6. 1969 -- 92 (92)
7. 2004 -- 89 (89)
8. 2003 -- 88 (94)
8. 2001 -- 88 (88)
10. 1967 -- 87 (87)
11. 2007 -- 85 (85)
11. 1972 -- 85 (85)
13. 1970 -- 84 (84)
13. 1968 -- 84 (84)
13. 1993 -- 84 (84)
16. 2009 -- 83 (83)
17. 1946 -- 82 (82)
17. 1963 -- 82 (82)
UPDATE THIS SHIT, TJ!
Is TJ too busy Trumping to note this historic achievement? What the fuck?
Tonight, a chance tell tell Hitler to fuck off.
1. 1906 -- 116
2. 1907 --107
3. 1909 -- 104
3. 1910 -- 104
5. 2016 -- 100
5. 1935 -- 100
7. 1908 -- 99
8. 1945 -- 98
8. 1929 -- 98
10. 2015 -- 97
10. 2008 -- 97
12. 1984 -- 96
13. 1989 -- 93
13. 1904 --93
13. 1937 -- 93
16. 1911 -- 92
16. 1905 -- 92
16. 1969 -- 92
19. 1912 -91
19. 1928 -- 91
21. 1998 -- 90
21. 1930 -- 90
21. 1932 --90
21. 1886 -- 90
25. 1938 -- 89
25. 2004 -- 89
27. 2003 -- 88
27. 2001 -- 88
27. 1913 --88
30. 1936 -- 87
30. 1885 -- 87
30. 1967 -- 87
33. 1933 -- 86
33. 1934 -- 86
35. 2007 -- 85
35. 1898 -- 85
35. 1927 -- 85
35. 1972 -- 85
39. 1970 -- 84
39. 1968 -- 84
39. 1939 -- 84
39. 1931 -- 84
39. 1918 -- 84
39. 1993 -- 84
45. 2009 -- 83
45. 1971 -- 83
45. 1923 -- 83
45. 1890 -- 83
49. 1926 -- 82
49. 1891 -- 82
49. 1903 -- 82
49. 1946 -- 82
49. 1963 -- 82
Top Five since World War II! (Total meaningful wins in parenthesis)
1. 2016 -- 100 (100)
2. 2015 -- 97 (101)
2. 2008 -- 97 (97)
4. 1984 -- 96 (98)
5. 1989 -- 93 (94)
6. 1969 -- 92 (92)
7. 2004 -- 89 (89)
8. 2003 -- 88 (94)
8. 2001 -- 88 (88)
10. 1967 -- 87 (87)
11. 2007 -- 85 (85)
11. 1972 -- 85 (85)
13. 1970 -- 84 (84)
13. 1968 -- 84 (84)
13. 1993 -- 84 (84)
16. 2009 -- 83 (83)
17. 1946 -- 82 (82)
17. 1963 -- 82 (82)
Winning 5 out of the last 6 is not out of the question.
Quote from: Oleg on September 27, 2016, 09:16:52 AM
Tonight, a chance tell tell Hitler to fuck off.
1. 1906 -- 116
2. 1907 --107
3. 1909 -- 104
3. 1910 -- 104
5. 2016 -- 100
5. 1935 -- 100
7. 1908 -- 99
8. 1945 -- 98
8. 1929 -- 98
10. 2015 -- 97
10. 2008 -- 97
12. 1984 -- 96
13. 1989 -- 93
13. 1904 --93
13. 1937 -- 93
16. 1911 -- 92
16. 1905 -- 92
16. 1969 -- 92
19. 1912 -91
19. 1928 -- 91
21. 1998 -- 90
21. 1930 -- 90
21. 1932 --90
21. 1886 -- 90
25. 1938 -- 89
25. 2004 -- 89
27. 2003 -- 88
27. 2001 -- 88
27. 1913 --88
30. 1936 -- 87
30. 1885 -- 87
30. 1967 -- 87
33. 1933 -- 86
33. 1934 -- 86
35. 2007 -- 85
35. 1898 -- 85
35. 1927 -- 85
35. 1972 -- 85
39. 1970 -- 84
39. 1968 -- 84
39. 1939 -- 84
39. 1931 -- 84
39. 1918 -- 84
39. 1993 -- 84
45. 2009 -- 83
45. 1971 -- 83
45. 1923 -- 83
45. 1890 -- 83
49. 1926 -- 82
49. 1891 -- 82
49. 1903 -- 82
49. 1946 -- 82
49. 1963 -- 82
Top Five since World War II! (Total meaningful wins in parenthesis)
1. 2016 -- 100 (100)
2. 2015 -- 97 (101)
2. 2008 -- 97 (97)
4. 1984 -- 96 (98)
5. 1989 -- 93 (94)
6. 1969 -- 92 (92)
7. 2004 -- 89 (89)
8. 2003 -- 88 (94)
8. 2001 -- 88 (88)
10. 1967 -- 87 (87)
11. 2007 -- 85 (85)
11. 1972 -- 85 (85)
13. 1970 -- 84 (84)
13. 1968 -- 84 (84)
13. 1993 -- 84 (84)
16. 2009 -- 83 (83)
17. 1946 -- 82 (82)
17. 1963 -- 82 (82)
The
whole tell tell?
This is the best Cubs team since William Howard Taft was in the White House and his brother was Charles Murphy's partner in owning the Cubs. This is the best club in our lifetimes. Even Stew's.
1. 1906 -- 116 (118)
2. 1907 --107 (111)
3. 1909 -- 104 (104)
3. 1910 -- 104 (105)
5. 2016 -- 101 (101)
6. 1935 -- 100 (102)
7. 1908 -- 99 (103)
8. 1945 -- 98 (101)
8. 1929 -- 98 (99)
10. 2015 -- 97 (101)
10. 2008 -- 97 (97)
12. 1984 -- 96 (98)
13. 1989 -- 93 (94)
13. 1904 --93 (93)
13. 1937 -- 93 (93)
16. 1911 -- 92 (92)
16. 1905 -- 92 (92)
16. 1969 -- 92 (92)
19. 1912 -91 (91)
19. 1928 -- 91 (91)
21. 1998 -- 90 (90)
21. 1930 -- 90 (90)
21. 1932 --90 (90)
21. 1886 -- 90 (90)
25. 1938 -- 89 (89)
25. 2004 -- 89 (89)
27. 2003 -- 88 (94)
27. 2001 -- 88 (88)
27. 1913 --88 (88)
30. 1936 -- 87 (87)
30. 1885 -- 87 (87)
30. 1967 -- 87 (87)
33. 1933 -- 86 (86)
33. 1934 -- 86 (86)
35. 2007 -- 85 (85)
35. 1898 -- 85 (85)
35. 1927 -- 85 (85)
35. 1972 -- 85 (85)
39. 1970 -- 84 (84)
39. 1968 -- 84 (84)
39. 1939 -- 84 (84)
39. 1931 -- 84 (84)
39. 1918 -- 84 (86)
39. 1993 -- 84 (84)
45. 2009 -- 83 (83)
45. 1971 -- 83 (83)
45. 1923 -- 83 (83)
45. 1890 -- 83 (83)
49. 1926 -- 82 (82)
49. 1891 -- 82 (82)
49. 1903 -- 82 (82)
49. 1946 -- 82 (82)
49. 1963 -- 82 (82)
The best team since World War II! (Total meaningful wins in parenthesis)
1. 2016 -- 101 (101)
2. 2015 -- 97 (101)
2. 2008 -- 97 (97)
4. 1984 -- 96 (98)
5. 1989 -- 93 (94)
6. 1969 -- 92 (92)
7. 2004 -- 89 (89)
8. 2003 -- 88 (94)
8. 2001 -- 88 (88)
10. 1967 -- 87 (87)
11. 2007 -- 85 (85)
11. 1972 -- 85 (85)
13. 1970 -- 84 (84)
13. 1968 -- 84 (84)
13. 1993 -- 84 (84)
16. 2009 -- 83 (83)
17. 1946 -- 82 (82)
17. 1963 -- 82 (82)
So I was curious on this and had to check on Wikipedia, this 101 win team's tied for 63rd all time for wins in a season. One more win puts them up to 47th, 2 more at 34th. If they win 3 of 5 to finish it out and tie the '09-10 teams they'd be 25th best in baseball history. 63rd is impressive considering 140+ yrs or baseball with all the teams that've played over the yrs, but 25th would be quite an accomplishment. 104 seems to be a pretty good # as 16/33 teams winning that many won it all with 12 more winning the pennant. 28/33 winning the pennant or better seems like pretty decent odds in my book.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on September 28, 2016, 02:22:22 AM
So I was curious on this and had to check on Wikipedia, this 101 win team's tied for 63rd all time for wins in a season. One more win puts them up to 47th, 2 more at 34th. If they win 3 of 5 to finish it out and tie the '09-10 teams they'd be 25th best in baseball history. 63rd is impressive considering 140+ yrs or baseball with all the teams that've played over the yrs, but 25th would be quite an accomplishment. 104 seems to be a pretty good # as 16/33 teams winning that many won it all with 12 more winning the pennant. 28/33 winning the pennant or better seems like pretty decent odds in my book.
You do realize that for the first 66 years of the World Series, there was no postseason antecedent, right? In other words, if you won 100 games, your odds of going to the World Series were pretty damn good since that usually means you already won your league. Indeed, between 1903 and 1968, there were only 6 teams to have won 100 games that did not earn a trip to the World Series in the process, compared with 41 teams that did.
Since the LCS was introduced, there have been 47 100-win teams, only 22 of whom--or less than half--went on to win a pennant. Those odds don't look so great now, do they?
People need to stop looking at regular season win totals as some sort of predictor of postseason success. Repeat after me, "the playoffs are a crapshoot".
It's a total crapshoot, and the Cubs have shown us that like literally every other team in baseball, they can get shut down for several games running, regardless of who they are facing. Nothing is a lock, which is why I think so many people are mentally preparing themselves for disappointment, even as they fully expect the Cubs to win.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on September 28, 2016, 08:20:13 AM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on September 28, 2016, 02:22:22 AM
So I was curious on this and had to check on Wikipedia, this 101 win team's tied for 63rd all time for wins in a season. One more win puts them up to 47th, 2 more at 34th. If they win 3 of 5 to finish it out and tie the '09-10 teams they'd be 25th best in baseball history. 63rd is impressive considering 140+ yrs or baseball with all the teams that've played over the yrs, but 25th would be quite an accomplishment. 104 seems to be a pretty good # as 16/33 teams winning that many won it all with 12 more winning the pennant. 28/33 winning the pennant or better seems like pretty decent odds in my book.
You do realize that for the first 66 years of the World Series, there was no postseason antecedent, right? In other words, if you won 100 games, your odds of going to the World Series were pretty damn good since that usually means you already won your league. Indeed, between 1903 and 1968, there were only 6 teams to have won 100 games that did not earn a trip to the World Series in the process, compared with 41 teams that did.
Since the LCS was introduced, there have been 47 100-win teams, only 22 of whom--or less than half--went on to win a pennant. Those odds don't look so great now, do they?
People need to stop looking at regular season win totals as some sort of predictor of postseason success. Repeat after me, "the playoffs are a crapshoot".
They are a crapshoot, they are not necessarily a total crapshoot. There is a correlation between "true talent level" and success in the postseason. Per 538 a team with true, 100 win talent (so not the 2015 Cardinals, they won 100 games but underlying stats indicated they were more like a 91 win team, the Cubs this year however are a legit 100 win talent team) has a better shot.
QuoteA team with 80-win talent has only about a 5 percent chance of winning the World Series, conditional on making the divisional playoffs; a team with 90-win talent has a 12 percent chance. A team with 100-win talent has a 24 percent chance.
Source: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/did-your-team-blow-it-at-the-trade-deadline/ (from last year, but it could really be re-packaged for this year and titled "Why Theo Was Right To Trade for Chapman")
But again even with all that said that's still a 76% chance they
don't win, so yeah, it's mostly a crapshoot. Just saying "regular season success is not a predictor" is not necessarily true.
Fuck you all for soiling the fine thread that TJ was nice enough to bestow upon us. Fuck. You. All.
Quote from: Oleg on September 28, 2016, 09:11:41 AM
Fuck you all for soiling the fine thread that TJ was nice enough to bestow upon us. Fuck. You. All.
Why are you being so short with us?
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 28, 2016, 09:32:08 AM
Quote from: Oleg on September 28, 2016, 09:11:41 AM
Fuck you all for soiling the fine thread that TJ was nice enough to bestow upon us. Fuck. You. All.
Why are you being so short with us?
He's just a little annoyed.
FWIW, I went through and looked at all of the 100 win teams since 2002 and the main reason they didn't win the world series appears to be that most of them were lucky and were also not the most talented team in the league that year. Of all 100 win teams since 2002, only the 2004 Cardinals and 2011 Phillies were 100 win teams according to their Pythagorean records.
I found 9 total 100 Pythagorean Win teams going back to 2002. Of those 9, 5 won the pennant (2002 Angels, 2004 Cardinals, 2007 Red Sox, 2013 Red Sox, 2013 Cardinals) and 3 won the World Series (2002 Angels, 2007 Red Sox, 2013 Red Sox).
So small sample size but it would appear that if you enter the playoffs as a 100 win team according to Pythagorean W-L you have a far better shot at winning it all or at least getting to the world series than as a 100 win team according to the standings. This year's Cubs team is the most talented team by pythag W-L that I could find since the 2001 Mariners. Their next closest would be the 1998 trio of the Yankees (108 pythag wins), Braves (106 wins), and Astros (106).
Jesus fucking Christ this team is good. Also, Theo Epstein has now built three true talent 100 win teams. Holy fuck.
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2016, 09:38:07 AM
FWIW, I went through and looked at all of the 100 win teams since 2002 and the main reason they didn't win the world series appears to be that most of them were lucky and were also not the most talented team in the league that year. Of all 100 win teams since 2002, only the 2004 Cardinals and 2011 Phillies were 100 win teams according to their Pythagorean records.
I found 9 total 100 Pythagorean Win teams going back to 2002. Of those 9, 5 won the pennant (2002 Angels, 2004 Cardinals, 2007 Red Sox, 2013 Red Sox, 2013 Cardinals) and 3 won the World Series (2002 Angels, 2007 Red Sox, 2013 Red Sox).
So small sample size but it would appear that if you enter the playoffs as a 100 win team according to Pythagorean W-L you have a far better shot at winning it all or at least getting to the world series than as a 100 win team according to the standings. This year's Cubs team is the most talented team by pythag W-L that I could find since the 2001 Mariners. Their next closest would be the 1998 trio of the Yankees (108 pythag wins), Braves (106 wins), and Astros (106).
Jesus fucking Christ this team is good. Also, Theo Epstein has now built three true talent 100 win teams. Holy fuck.
Did we discuss the article about "super teams" -- teams that are approximately 10 wins ahead of the second best team in baseball -- and their significantly higher rate of post season success? I think the only "super team" in recent memory to fail in October were the Mariners, who achieved their 114 wins despite having average-at-best pitching. They got it handed to them by the superior pitching of the Yankees that year.
Are there any teams with better pitching than the Cubs? With better defense? How many teams beat them offensively -- the Red Sox? Anyone else?
Quote from: Canadouche on September 28, 2016, 09:45:02 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2016, 09:38:07 AM
FWIW, I went through and looked at all of the 100 win teams since 2002 and the main reason they didn't win the world series appears to be that most of them were lucky and were also not the most talented team in the league that year. Of all 100 win teams since 2002, only the 2004 Cardinals and 2011 Phillies were 100 win teams according to their Pythagorean records.
I found 9 total 100 Pythagorean Win teams going back to 2002. Of those 9, 5 won the pennant (2002 Angels, 2004 Cardinals, 2007 Red Sox, 2013 Red Sox, 2013 Cardinals) and 3 won the World Series (2002 Angels, 2007 Red Sox, 2013 Red Sox).
So small sample size but it would appear that if you enter the playoffs as a 100 win team according to Pythagorean W-L you have a far better shot at winning it all or at least getting to the world series than as a 100 win team according to the standings. This year's Cubs team is the most talented team by pythag W-L that I could find since the 2001 Mariners. Their next closest would be the 1998 trio of the Yankees (108 pythag wins), Braves (106 wins), and Astros (106).
Jesus fucking Christ this team is good. Also, Theo Epstein has now built three true talent 100 win teams. Holy fuck.
Did we discuss the article about "super teams" -- teams that are approximately 10 wins ahead of the second best team in baseball -- and their significantly higher rate of post season success? I think the only "super team" in recent memory to fail in October were the Mariners, who achieved their 114 wins despite having average-at-best pitching. They got it handed to them by the superior pitching of the Yankees that year.
Are there any teams with better pitching than the Cubs? With better defense? How many teams beat them offensively -- the Red Sox? Anyone else?
Hell if I know. I did enough research. My point is that the I'm gonna kick the next person that tells me winning 100 games is a bad thing because the 2008 Angels were frauds.
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2016, 09:49:19 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on September 28, 2016, 09:45:02 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2016, 09:38:07 AM
FWIW, I went through and looked at all of the 100 win teams since 2002 and the main reason they didn't win the world series appears to be that most of them were lucky and were also not the most talented team in the league that year. Of all 100 win teams since 2002, only the 2004 Cardinals and 2011 Phillies were 100 win teams according to their Pythagorean records.
I found 9 total 100 Pythagorean Win teams going back to 2002. Of those 9, 5 won the pennant (2002 Angels, 2004 Cardinals, 2007 Red Sox, 2013 Red Sox, 2013 Cardinals) and 3 won the World Series (2002 Angels, 2007 Red Sox, 2013 Red Sox).
So small sample size but it would appear that if you enter the playoffs as a 100 win team according to Pythagorean W-L you have a far better shot at winning it all or at least getting to the world series than as a 100 win team according to the standings. This year's Cubs team is the most talented team by pythag W-L that I could find since the 2001 Mariners. Their next closest would be the 1998 trio of the Yankees (108 pythag wins), Braves (106 wins), and Astros (106).
Jesus fucking Christ this team is good. Also, Theo Epstein has now built three true talent 100 win teams. Holy fuck.
Did we discuss the article about "super teams" -- teams that are approximately 10 wins ahead of the second best team in baseball -- and their significantly higher rate of post season success? I think the only "super team" in recent memory to fail in October were the Mariners, who achieved their 114 wins despite having average-at-best pitching. They got it handed to them by the superior pitching of the Yankees that year.
Are there any teams with better pitching than the Cubs? With better defense? How many teams beat them offensively -- the Red Sox? Anyone else?
Hell if I know. I did enough research. My point is that the I'm gonna kick the next person that tells me winning 100 games is a bad thing because the 2008 Angels were frauds.
Here's (http://www.si.com/mlb/2016/09/06/chicago-cubs-record-postseason-world-series) the SI article about the Cubs being a potential "super team."
Quote from: Canadouche on September 28, 2016, 10:25:23 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2016, 09:49:19 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on September 28, 2016, 09:45:02 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 28, 2016, 09:38:07 AM
FWIW, I went through and looked at all of the 100 win teams since 2002 and the main reason they didn't win the world series appears to be that most of them were lucky and were also not the most talented team in the league that year. Of all 100 win teams since 2002, only the 2004 Cardinals and 2011 Phillies were 100 win teams according to their Pythagorean records.
I found 9 total 100 Pythagorean Win teams going back to 2002. Of those 9, 5 won the pennant (2002 Angels, 2004 Cardinals, 2007 Red Sox, 2013 Red Sox, 2013 Cardinals) and 3 won the World Series (2002 Angels, 2007 Red Sox, 2013 Red Sox).
So small sample size but it would appear that if you enter the playoffs as a 100 win team according to Pythagorean W-L you have a far better shot at winning it all or at least getting to the world series than as a 100 win team according to the standings. This year's Cubs team is the most talented team by pythag W-L that I could find since the 2001 Mariners. Their next closest would be the 1998 trio of the Yankees (108 pythag wins), Braves (106 wins), and Astros (106).
Jesus fucking Christ this team is good. Also, Theo Epstein has now built three true talent 100 win teams. Holy fuck.
Did we discuss the article about "super teams" -- teams that are approximately 10 wins ahead of the second best team in baseball -- and their significantly higher rate of post season success? I think the only "super team" in recent memory to fail in October were the Mariners, who achieved their 114 wins despite having average-at-best pitching. They got it handed to them by the superior pitching of the Yankees that year.
Are there any teams with better pitching than the Cubs? With better defense? How many teams beat them offensively -- the Red Sox? Anyone else?
Hell if I know. I did enough research. My point is that the I'm gonna kick the next person that tells me winning 100 games is a bad thing because the 2008 Angels were frauds.
Here's (http://www.si.com/mlb/2016/09/06/chicago-cubs-record-postseason-world-series) the SI article about the Cubs being a potential "super team."
Well alright then.
I pretty much agree with everything all of you are saying, especially Oleg, who was heroically updating this while I was out of pocket. The playoffs can be a crapshoot. That's sort of why I started this thread. There's been no race to entertain us, just sustained excellence. Minus that 5-15 patch (holy crap, had they just gone 10-10 during that time, they'd be 106-51 with 109-110 wins in the picture), they've dominated like only a few other teams in my lifetime (I won't include the 75 Reds as I was a mere infant):
-1984 Tigers
-1986 Mets
-1988-1990 A's
-1995 Indians (Check out the 1995 Braves while you're at it)
-1998 Yankees
The Cubs could struggle against the Giants staff next week and find themselves in a 2-1 hole and then, wham - season's over. Still have to celebrate this team, which will be back.
Not to go meatball on you, but that's what I marvel about when I look at the 1985 Bears. Sure, maybe they should have won more Super Bowls. But look at who was in the NFC at the time:
The Washington Redskins with one of the best O-Lines in history, a strong receiving corps, a great front four and one of the best DBs of all time.
The New York Giants, who had the best linebacker I ever saw (whether coke-fueled or not), a strong offensive line and defensive front, and really peak Parcells
The San Francisco 49ers of Montana, Rice, Lott, Bill Walsh
The Minnesota Vikings of Chris Doleman and Joey Browner. A tough win on the road.
The Rams of Eric Dickerson
The Buddy Ryan-era Eagles
And as the window shut on the Bears, the emergence of Barry Sanders and the Lions, Mike Holmgren's Packers, and (the team that fittingly closed the door on the Ditka era) the Jimmy Johnson Cowboys.
Are we going to look back on the Cubs of 2015-2021 and see:
- A still-solid Cardinals team that won 100 games in 2015 and probably contended for a few years after that
- A Pirates team desperately trying to stay relevant
- A rebuilding Brewers franchise that might become a factor in 2018 and beyond?
- The Bryce Harper/Max Scherzer/Stephen Strasburg Nationals, despite Dusty Baker's leadership
- The Giants of Bochy, a dynasty in its own right
- The Dodgers of endless supply of cash and Clayton Kershaw
- The Mets of (assuming they can stay at least semi-healthy) deGrom, Matz, Syndegaard, Harvey
- (And oh, a what could have been for the Marlins of the next two seasons)?
Fact is, the Cubs have a good chance to overshadow them all. At the very least every conversation for the next few years about best team in the NL starts with the Cubs and may include the others.
Can we just marvel at the 1903-1913 Cubs?
82, 93, 92, 116, 107,99, 104, 104, 92, 91, 88
Thanks to the rainout, best we can hope for is to equal the 1909-1910 club
1. 1906 -- 116 (118)
2. 1907 --107 (111)
3. 1909 -- 104 (104)
3. 1910 -- 104 (105)
5. 2016 -- 102 (102)
6. 1935 -- 100 (102)
7. 1908 -- 99 (103)
8. 1945 -- 98 (101)
8. 1929 -- 98 (99)
10. 2015 -- 97 (101)
10. 2008 -- 97 (97)
12. 1984 -- 96 (98)
13. 1989 -- 93 (94)
13. 1904 --93 (93)
13. 1937 -- 93 (93)
16. 1911 -- 92 (92)
16. 1905 -- 92 (92)
16. 1969 -- 92 (92)
19. 1912 -91 (91)
19. 1928 -- 91 (91)
21. 1998 -- 90 (90)
21. 1930 -- 90 (90)
21. 1932 --90 (90)
21. 1886 -- 90 (90)
25. 1938 -- 89 (89)
25. 2004 -- 89 (89)
27. 2003 -- 88 (94)
27. 2001 -- 88 (88)
27. 1913 --88 (88)
30. 1936 -- 87 (87)
30. 1885 -- 87 (87)
30. 1967 -- 87 (87)
33. 1933 -- 86 (86)
33. 1934 -- 86 (86)
35. 2007 -- 85 (85)
35. 1898 -- 85 (85)
35. 1927 -- 85 (85)
35. 1972 -- 85 (85)
39. 1970 -- 84 (84)
39. 1968 -- 84 (84)
39. 1939 -- 84 (84)
39. 1931 -- 84 (84)
39. 1918 -- 84 (86)
39. 1993 -- 84 (84)
45. 2009 -- 83 (83)
45. 1971 -- 83 (83)
45. 1923 -- 83 (83)
45. 1890 -- 83 (83)
49. 1926 -- 82 (82)
49. 1891 -- 82 (82)
49. 1903 -- 82 (82)
49. 1946 -- 82 (82)
49. 1963 -- 82 (82)
The best team since World War II! (Total meaningful wins in parenthesis)
1. 2016 -- 102 (102)
2. 2015 -- 97 (101)
2. 2008 -- 97 (97)
4. 1984 -- 96 (98)
5. 1989 -- 93 (94)
6. 1969 -- 92 (92)
7. 2004 -- 89 (89)
8. 2003 -- 88 (94)
8. 2001 -- 88 (88)
10. 1967 -- 87 (87)
11. 2007 -- 85 (85)
11. 1972 -- 85 (85)
13. 1970 -- 84 (84)
13. 1968 -- 84 (84)
13. 1993 -- 84 (84)
16. 2009 -- 83 (83)
17. 1946 -- 82 (82)
17. 1963 -- 82 (82)
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One more win means 200 in 2 years from a group that still has unrealized potential.
Barring injuries i could see a bunch of 95+ win seasons with a few 100+ thrown in over the next 8-10 yrs the way the front office has worked since coming here. Now can it be next Friday already...