Jay Cutler for SEVEN. MORE. YEARS.
Jennings and Slauson are back.
I can't wait to see what he does next.
What a pair of nuts on that big eared freak.
Quote from: Slaky on January 02, 2014, 09:49:05 AM
Jay Cutler for SEVEN. MORE. YEARS.
Jennings and Slauson are back.
I can't wait to see what he does next.
What a pair of nuts on that big eared freak.
LONG LIVE JAKE UTLER! Everybody light up and celebrate.
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/714472aa9ebd95c6da6d17ef2d2d8b4c/tumblr_mvwx2oC5vw1rge9rdo1_500.png)
Quote from: Sterling Archer on January 02, 2014, 09:50:36 AM
Quote from: Slaky on January 02, 2014, 09:49:05 AM
Jay Cutler for SEVEN. MORE. YEARS.
Jennings and Slauson are back.
I can't wait to see what he does next.
What a pair of nuts on that big eared freak.
LONG LIVE JAKE UTLER! Everybody light up and celebrate.
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/714472aa9ebd95c6da6d17ef2d2d8b4c/tumblr_mvwx2oC5vw1rge9rdo1_500.png)
There's no way he didn't pose like that on purpose. Jesus, that's great.
#EmstinkIsWonderful
#IStandWithPhil
#DieMeatballsDie
So. Happy
ESPN wins for stupidest headline:
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on January 02, 2014, 12:14:46 PM
ESPN wins for stupidest headline:
(http://i43.tinypic.com/6dybzl.png)
Let the local writers get to it before you declare something like that.
Quote from: SKO on January 02, 2014, 12:35:00 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on January 02, 2014, 12:14:46 PM
ESPN wins for stupidest headline:
(http://i43.tinypic.com/6dybzl.png)
Let the local writers get to it before you declare something like that.
A fair point — let's say ESPN is currently in the lead then.
Was Podlesh as bad as he seemed this year? Obviously the Bears have bigger problems than the punter, but am I wrong to wish for Kluwe or some NDFA to replace him?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on January 02, 2014, 01:24:37 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 02, 2014, 12:35:00 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on January 02, 2014, 12:14:46 PM
ESPN wins for stupidest headline:
(http://i43.tinypic.com/6dybzl.png)
Let the local writers get to it before you declare something like that.
A fair point — let's say ESPN is currently in the lead then.
Was Podlesh as bad as he seemed this year? Obviously the Bears have bigger problems than the punter, but am I wrong to wish for Kluwe or some NDFA to replace him?
He was fucking terrible. Dead last in the NFL according to PFF's rankings. I hope he's gone.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on January 02, 2014, 01:24:37 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 02, 2014, 12:35:00 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on January 02, 2014, 12:14:46 PM
ESPN wins for stupidest headline:
(http://i43.tinypic.com/6dybzl.png)
Let the local writers get to it before you declare something like that.
A fair point — let's say ESPN is currently in the lead then.
Was Podlesh as bad as he seemed this year? Obviously the Bears have bigger problems than the punter, but am I wrong to wish for Kluwe or some NDFA to replace him?
#nogays
The twits is saying the deal basically is 3 years, 54 million. After that the last four years are the usual NFL pretend money.
The real fun about the Cutler deal is the anticipation of the post from CubFan in Hyde Park and the reaction that he will get
Quote from: CBStew on January 02, 2014, 02:49:34 PM
The real fun about the Cutler deal is the anticipation of the post from CubFan in Hyde Park and the reaction that he will get
We can only hope it's killed him
Usually meatballs are good and illogical, and I am happy in my avoidance of sports radio, but other than Career Backup McCown, did anyone offer up any options other than Cutler?
Quote from: Fork on January 02, 2014, 03:21:02 PM
Usually meatballs are good and illogical, and I am happy in my avoidance of sports radio, but other than Career Backup McCown, did anyone offer up any options other than Cutler?
DARFT DAT JIMMY FOOTBALL GUY!
Quote from: Fork on January 02, 2014, 03:21:02 PM
Usually meatballs are good and illogical, and I am happy in my avoidance of sports radio, but other than Career Backup McCown, did anyone offer up any options other than Cutler?
DA BEARS JUST NEED TA DRAFT ONE A DEM STARTING QUARTABACKS MY FRENT.
Quote from: Tonker on January 02, 2014, 03:38:02 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 02, 2014, 03:21:02 PM
Usually meatballs are good and illogical, and I am happy in my avoidance of sports radio, but other than Career Backup McCown, did anyone offer up any options other than Cutler?
DA BEARS JUST NEED TA DRAFT ONE A DEM STARTING QUARTABACKS MY FRENT.
Specifically they need to draft the next greatest quarterback of all time and then five hall of fame linemen to protect him. Then they count their many, many rings, like Indianapolis.
This website says Cutler's deal ties him for 6th (with Romo) among NFL QBs in average annual salary.
http://overthecap.com/top-player-salaries.php?Position=QB
That actually seems exactly right to me given that Wilson, Luck and Kaepernick are still on their rookie deals. Throw in RGIII if you believe like I do that Snyder will throw stupid money his way. So, basically a top-10 QB is being paid like one for three years.
Seems really smart.
Quote from: InternetApex on January 02, 2014, 04:20:05 PM
This website says Cutler's deal ties him for 6th (with Romo) among NFL QBs in average annual salary.
http://overthecap.com/top-player-salaries.php?Position=QB
That actually seems exactly right to me given that Wilson, Luck and Kaepernick are still on their rookie deals. Throw in RGIII if you believe like I do that Snyder will throw stupid money his way. So, basically a top-10 QB is being paid like one for three years.
Seems really smart.
Roethlisberger needs to fire his agent.
Quote from: PenFoe on January 02, 2014, 04:42:27 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 02, 2014, 04:20:05 PM
This website says Cutler's deal ties him for 6th (with Romo) among NFL QBs in average annual salary.
http://overthecap.com/top-player-salaries.php?Position=QB
That actually seems exactly right to me given that Wilson, Luck and Kaepernick are still on their rookie deals. Throw in RGIII if you believe like I do that Snyder will throw stupid money his way. So, basically a top-10 QB is being paid like one for three years.
Seems really smart.
Roethlisberger needs to fire his agent.
Allegedly.
Quote from: PenFoe on January 02, 2014, 04:42:27 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 02, 2014, 04:20:05 PM
This website says Cutler's deal ties him for 6th (with Romo) among NFL QBs in average annual salary.
http://overthecap.com/top-player-salaries.php?Position=QB
That actually seems exactly right to me given that Wilson, Luck and Kaepernick are still on their rookie deals. Throw in RGIII if you believe like I do that Snyder will throw stupid money his way. So, basically a top-10 QB is being paid like one for three years.
Seems really smart.
Roethlisberger needs to fire his agent.
He signed that extension, what, 5 years ago? Sure it was a good deal at the time. Veteran contracts in general have gone up since the the new CBA has made it so you don't have to worry about paying shit to rookies.
Quote from: InternetApex on January 02, 2014, 04:48:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 02, 2014, 04:42:27 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 02, 2014, 04:20:05 PM
This website says Cutler's deal ties him for 6th (with Romo) among NFL QBs in average annual salary.
http://overthecap.com/top-player-salaries.php?Position=QB
That actually seems exactly right to me given that Wilson, Luck and Kaepernick are still on their rookie deals. Throw in RGIII if you believe like I do that Snyder will throw stupid money his way. So, basically a top-10 QB is being paid like one for three years.
Seems really smart.
Roethlisberger needs to fire his agent.
Allegedly.
Validated.
Quote from: InternetApex on January 02, 2014, 04:20:05 PM
This website says Cutler's deal ties him for 6th (with Romo) among NFL QBs in average annual salary.
http://overthecap.com/top-player-salaries.php?Position=QB
That actually seems exactly right to me given that Wilson, Luck and Kaepernick are still on their rookie deals. Throw in RGIII if you believe like I do that Snyder will throw stupid money his way. So, basically a top-10 QB is being paid like one for three years.
Seems really smart.
Tied with Rodgers for most guaranteed. Higher percent guaranteed than everyone except Rodgers. Higher total value than any of them. Sounds like he doesn't finish the deal or that there's some sort of extension to age 42 or 43 about year 3 or 4.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 02, 2014, 05:03:13 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 02, 2014, 04:20:05 PM
This website says Cutler's deal ties him for 6th (with Romo) among NFL QBs in average annual salary.
http://overthecap.com/top-player-salaries.php?Position=QB
That actually seems exactly right to me given that Wilson, Luck and Kaepernick are still on their rookie deals. Throw in RGIII if you believe like I do that Snyder will throw stupid money his way. So, basically a top-10 QB is being paid like one for three years.
Seems really smart.
Tied with Rodgers for most guaranteed. Higher percent guaranteed than everyone except Rodgers. Higher total value than any of them. Sounds like he doesn't finish the deal or that there's some sort of extension to age 42 or 43 about year 3 or 4.
Ding!
Quote from: InternetApex on January 02, 2014, 05:05:43 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 02, 2014, 05:03:13 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 02, 2014, 04:20:05 PM
This website says Cutler's deal ties him for 6th (with Romo) among NFL QBs in average annual salary.
http://overthecap.com/top-player-salaries.php?Position=QB
That actually seems exactly right to me given that Wilson, Luck and Kaepernick are still on their rookie deals. Throw in RGIII if you believe like I do that Snyder will throw stupid money his way. So, basically a top-10 QB is being paid like one for three years.
Seems really smart.
Tied with Rodgers for most guaranteed. Higher percent guaranteed than everyone except Rodgers. Higher total value than any of them. Sounds like he doesn't finish the deal or that there's some sort of extension to age 42 or 43 about year 3 or 4.
Ding!
It sounds like every other NFL contract, replete with pretend years and pretend money!
Quote from: Fork on January 02, 2014, 03:21:02 PM
Usually meatballs are good and illogical, and I am happy in my avoidance of sports radio, but other than Career Backup McCown, did anyone offer up any options other than Cutler?
I was a fan of the tank on purpose for Jameis Winston strategy. Why have an aging Cutler for 3+ years when you can have Cam Newton on steroids for 10?
But three more years of an aging top-15 QB who is inconsistent, throws way too many god-awful picks, can't beat the Packers, is consistently enigmatic in games (look at his career 2nd and 3rd quarter QB rating relative to 1st and 4th), locks into B-Marsh way too frequently and misses other open throws, and has no track record of meaningful success (and a record of crapping the bed in big games, actually) is an unabashedly good thing, when it's entirely possible right now with a porous defense to go the "suck for Luck" route? (You have to feel for the Colts, going from franchise QB to.... .... ... franchise QB.)
I know we've been starved for good QB play for a long time, but seriously, fans of this are just a bunch of rabidly hungry dogs who will defend their ribeye from Outback like its a porterhouse from Peter Lugar's. Eating scraps from the dumpster for a year would've been worth it to get Winston.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 02, 2014, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 02, 2014, 03:21:02 PM
Usually meatballs are good and illogical, and I am happy in my avoidance of sports radio, but other than Career Backup McCown, did anyone offer up any options other than Cutler?
I was a fan of the tank on purpose for Jameis Winston strategy. Why have an aging Cutler for 3+ years when you can have Cam Newton on steroids for 10?
But three more years of an aging top-15 QB who is inconsistent, throws way too many god-awful picks, can't beat the Packers, is consistently enigmatic in games (look at his career 2nd and 3rd quarter QB rating relative to 1st and 4th), locks into B-Marsh way too frequently and misses other open throws, and has no track record of meaningful success (and a record of crapping the bed in big games, actually) is an unabashedly good thing, when it's entirely possible right now with a porous defense to go the "suck for Luck" route? (You have to feel for the Colts, going from franchise QB to.... .... ... franchise QB.)
I know we've been starved for good QB play for a long time, but seriously, fans of this are just a bunch of rabidly hungry dogs who will defend their ribeye from Outback like its a porterhouse from Peter Lugar's. Eating scraps from the dumpster for a year would've been worth it to get Winston.
(http://missstep.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/old-faithful-1.jpg)
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 02, 2014, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 02, 2014, 03:21:02 PM
Usually meatballs are good and illogical, and I am happy in my avoidance of sports radio, but other than Career Backup McCown, did anyone offer up any options other than Cutler?
I was a fan of the tank on purpose for Jameis Winston strategy. Why have an aging Cutler for 3+ years when you can have Cam Newton on steroids for 10?
But three more years of an aging top-15 QB who is inconsistent, throws way too many god-awful picks, can't beat the Packers, is consistently enigmatic in games (look at his career 2nd and 3rd quarter QB rating relative to 1st and 4th), locks into B-Marsh way too frequently and misses other open throws, and has no track record of meaningful success (and a record of crapping the bed in big games, actually) is an unabashedly good thing, when it's entirely possible right now with a porous defense to go the "suck for Luck" route? (You have to feel for the Colts, going from franchise QB to.... .... ... franchise QB.)
I know we've been starved for good QB play for a long time, but seriously, fans of this are just a bunch of rabidly hungry dogs who will defend their ribeye from Outback like its a porterhouse from Peter Lugar's. Eating scraps from the dumpster for a year would've been worth it to get Winston.
You're trolling us on purpose, right? Is that what this is?
Quote from: PANK! on January 02, 2014, 06:18:24 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 02, 2014, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 02, 2014, 03:21:02 PM
Usually meatballs are good and illogical, and I am happy in my avoidance of sports radio, but other than Career Backup McCown, did anyone offer up any options other than Cutler?
I was a fan of the tank on purpose for Jameis Winston strategy. Why have an aging Cutler for 3+ years when you can have Cam Newton on steroids for 10?
But three more years of an aging top-15 QB who is inconsistent, throws way too many god-awful picks, can't beat the Packers, is consistently enigmatic in games (look at his career 2nd and 3rd quarter QB rating relative to 1st and 4th), locks into B-Marsh way too frequently and misses other open throws, and has no track record of meaningful success (and a record of crapping the bed in big games, actually) is an unabashedly good thing, when it's entirely possible right now with a porous defense to go the "suck for Luck" route? (You have to feel for the Colts, going from franchise QB to.... .... ... franchise QB.)
I know we've been starved for good QB play for a long time, but seriously, fans of this are just a bunch of rabidly hungry dogs who will defend their ribeye from Outback like its a porterhouse from Peter Lugar's. Eating scraps from the dumpster for a year would've been worth it to get Winston.
You're trolling us on purpose, right? Is that what this is?
If Cutler was so bad, how come the Bears won 8 games? It seems they had what they needed to "Commit Hari Kari for Jabari" or whatever the fuck. But he accidentally won 5 games.
Quote from: PANK! on January 02, 2014, 06:18:24 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 02, 2014, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 02, 2014, 03:21:02 PM
Usually meatballs are good and illogical, and I am happy in my avoidance of sports radio, but other than Career Backup McCown, did anyone offer up any options other than Cutler?
I was a fan of the tank on purpose for Jameis Winston strategy. Why have an aging Cutler for 3+ years when you can have Cam Newton on steroids for 10?
But three more years of an aging top-15 QB who is inconsistent, throws way too many god-awful picks, can't beat the Packers, is consistently enigmatic in games (look at his career 2nd and 3rd quarter QB rating relative to 1st and 4th), locks into B-Marsh way too frequently and misses other open throws, and has no track record of meaningful success (and a record of crapping the bed in big games, actually) is an unabashedly good thing, when it's entirely possible right now with a porous defense to go the "suck for Luck" route? (You have to feel for the Colts, going from franchise QB to.... .... ... franchise QB.)
I know we've been starved for good QB play for a long time, but seriously, fans of this are just a bunch of rabidly hungry dogs who will defend their ribeye from Outback like its a porterhouse from Peter Lugar's. Eating scraps from the dumpster for a year would've been worth it to get Winston.
You're trolling us on purpose, right? Is that what this is?
I don't think that people appreciate that Winston will be the best QB drafted since Peyton Manning. I'd happily suffer through 16 games of Krenzel or Jonathan Quinn if it meant the opportunity to draft him. I'd buy all 13 opponents' jerseys and wear them on Sunday if it meant the opportunity to draft him.
Maybe the Cubs trade the Rangers for his rights, and get 2/5 of the way to a starting rotation of otherwise would've-been first-round NFL picks. I could live with that, but whoever wins the Winston draft-lottery is going to be set for a long time at the position.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 02, 2014, 06:24:58 PM
Quote from: PANK! on January 02, 2014, 06:18:24 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 02, 2014, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 02, 2014, 03:21:02 PM
Usually meatballs are good and illogical, and I am happy in my avoidance of sports radio, but other than Career Backup McCown, did anyone offer up any options other than Cutler?
I was a fan of the tank on purpose for Jameis Winston strategy. Why have an aging Cutler for 3+ years when you can have Cam Newton on steroids for 10?
But three more years of an aging top-15 QB who is inconsistent, throws way too many god-awful picks, can't beat the Packers, is consistently enigmatic in games (look at his career 2nd and 3rd quarter QB rating relative to 1st and 4th), locks into B-Marsh way too frequently and misses other open throws, and has no track record of meaningful success (and a record of crapping the bed in big games, actually) is an unabashedly good thing, when it's entirely possible right now with a porous defense to go the "suck for Luck" route? (You have to feel for the Colts, going from franchise QB to.... .... ... franchise QB.)
I know we've been starved for good QB play for a long time, but seriously, fans of this are just a bunch of rabidly hungry dogs who will defend their ribeye from Outback like its a porterhouse from Peter Lugar's. Eating scraps from the dumpster for a year would've been worth it to get Winston.
You're trolling us on purpose, right? Is that what this is?
I don't think that people appreciate that Winston will be the best QB drafted since Peyton Manning. I'd happily suffer through 16 games of Krenzel or Jonathan Quinn if it meant the opportunity to draft him. I'd buy all 13 opponents' jerseys and wear them on Sunday if it meant the opportunity to draft him.
Maybe the Cubs trade the Rangers for his rights, and get 2/5 of the way to a starting rotation of otherwise would've-been first-round NFL picks. I could live with that, but whoever wins the Winston draft-lottery is going to be set for a long time at the position.
Allegedly.
Quote from: InternetApex on January 02, 2014, 06:26:38 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 02, 2014, 06:24:58 PM
Quote from: PANK! on January 02, 2014, 06:18:24 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 02, 2014, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 02, 2014, 03:21:02 PM
Usually meatballs are good and illogical, and I am happy in my avoidance of sports radio, but other than Career Backup McCown, did anyone offer up any options other than Cutler?
I was a fan of the tank on purpose for Jameis Winston strategy. Why have an aging Cutler for 3+ years when you can have Cam Newton on steroids for 10?
But three more years of an aging top-15 QB who is inconsistent, throws way too many god-awful picks, can't beat the Packers, is consistently enigmatic in games (look at his career 2nd and 3rd quarter QB rating relative to 1st and 4th), locks into B-Marsh way too frequently and misses other open throws, and has no track record of meaningful success (and a record of crapping the bed in big games, actually) is an unabashedly good thing, when it's entirely possible right now with a porous defense to go the "suck for Luck" route? (You have to feel for the Colts, going from franchise QB to.... .... ... franchise QB.)
I know we've been starved for good QB play for a long time, but seriously, fans of this are just a bunch of rabidly hungry dogs who will defend their ribeye from Outback like its a porterhouse from Peter Lugar's. Eating scraps from the dumpster for a year would've been worth it to get Winston.
You're trolling us on purpose, right? Is that what this is?
I don't think that people appreciate that Winston will be the best QB drafted since Peyton Manning. I'd happily suffer through 16 games of Krenzel or Jonathan Quinn if it meant the opportunity to draft him. I'd buy all 13 opponents' jerseys and wear them on Sunday if it meant the opportunity to draft him.
Maybe the Cubs trade the Rangers for his rights, and get 2/5 of the way to a starting rotation of otherwise would've-been first-round NFL picks. I could live with that, but whoever wins the Winston draft-lottery is going to be set for a long time at the position.
Allegedly.
I'll happily take bets on Jameis Winston Super Bowl appearances to Cutler over the course of their careers.
And what did I say about Cutler that was incorrect?
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 02, 2014, 06:36:14 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 02, 2014, 06:26:38 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 02, 2014, 06:24:58 PM
Quote from: PANK! on January 02, 2014, 06:18:24 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 02, 2014, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 02, 2014, 03:21:02 PM
Usually meatballs are good and illogical, and I am happy in my avoidance of sports radio, but other than Career Backup McCown, did anyone offer up any options other than Cutler?
I was a fan of the tank on purpose for Jameis Winston strategy. Why have an aging Cutler for 3+ years when you can have Cam Newton on steroids for 10?
But three more years of an aging top-15 QB who is inconsistent, throws way too many god-awful picks, can't beat the Packers, is consistently enigmatic in games (look at his career 2nd and 3rd quarter QB rating relative to 1st and 4th), locks into B-Marsh way too frequently and misses other open throws, and has no track record of meaningful success (and a record of crapping the bed in big games, actually) is an unabashedly good thing, when it's entirely possible right now with a porous defense to go the "suck for Luck" route? (You have to feel for the Colts, going from franchise QB to.... .... ... franchise QB.)
I know we've been starved for good QB play for a long time, but seriously, fans of this are just a bunch of rabidly hungry dogs who will defend their ribeye from Outback like its a porterhouse from Peter Lugar's. Eating scraps from the dumpster for a year would've been worth it to get Winston.
You're trolling us on purpose, right? Is that what this is?
I don't think that people appreciate that Winston will be the best QB drafted since Peyton Manning. I'd happily suffer through 16 games of Krenzel or Jonathan Quinn if it meant the opportunity to draft him. I'd buy all 13 opponents' jerseys and wear them on Sunday if it meant the opportunity to draft him.
Maybe the Cubs trade the Rangers for his rights, and get 2/5 of the way to a starting rotation of otherwise would've-been first-round NFL picks. I could live with that, but whoever wins the Winston draft-lottery is going to be set for a long time at the position.
Allegedly.
I'll happily take bets on Jameis Winston Super Bowl appearances to Cutler over the course of their careers.
And what did I say about Cutler that was incorrect?
I'm no expert, but I'd call a trip to the NFC Championship game a meaningful success.
Quote from: Fork on January 02, 2014, 06:42:55 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 02, 2014, 06:36:14 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 02, 2014, 06:26:38 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 02, 2014, 06:24:58 PM
Quote from: PANK! on January 02, 2014, 06:18:24 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 02, 2014, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 02, 2014, 03:21:02 PM
Usually meatballs are good and illogical, and I am happy in my avoidance of sports radio, but other than Career Backup McCown, did anyone offer up any options other than Cutler?
I was a fan of the tank on purpose for Jameis Winston strategy. Why have an aging Cutler for 3+ years when you can have Cam Newton on steroids for 10?
But three more years of an aging top-15 QB who is inconsistent, throws way too many god-awful picks, can't beat the Packers, is consistently enigmatic in games (look at his career 2nd and 3rd quarter QB rating relative to 1st and 4th), locks into B-Marsh way too frequently and misses other open throws, and has no track record of meaningful success (and a record of crapping the bed in big games, actually) is an unabashedly good thing, when it's entirely possible right now with a porous defense to go the "suck for Luck" route? (You have to feel for the Colts, going from franchise QB to.... .... ... franchise QB.)
I know we've been starved for good QB play for a long time, but seriously, fans of this are just a bunch of rabidly hungry dogs who will defend their ribeye from Outback like its a porterhouse from Peter Lugar's. Eating scraps from the dumpster for a year would've been worth it to get Winston.
You're trolling us on purpose, right? Is that what this is?
I don't think that people appreciate that Winston will be the best QB drafted since Peyton Manning. I'd happily suffer through 16 games of Krenzel or Jonathan Quinn if it meant the opportunity to draft him. I'd buy all 13 opponents' jerseys and wear them on Sunday if it meant the opportunity to draft him.
Maybe the Cubs trade the Rangers for his rights, and get 2/5 of the way to a starting rotation of otherwise would've-been first-round NFL picks. I could live with that, but whoever wins the Winston draft-lottery is going to be set for a long time at the position.
Allegedly.
I'll happily take bets on Jameis Winston Super Bowl appearances to Cutler over the course of their careers.
And what did I say about Cutler that was incorrect?
I'm no expert, but I'd call a trip to the NFC Championship game a meaningful success.
4QBs get to play in a championship game every year - one year of playing in it is hardly the thing memorable careers are built upon. Having a miserable first half even before getting hurt, even less of an accomplishment. Or to quote Derrick Coleman: "whoop de damn do."
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 02, 2014, 06:24:58 PM
Quote from: PANK! on January 02, 2014, 06:18:24 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 02, 2014, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 02, 2014, 03:21:02 PM
Usually meatballs are good and illogical, and I am happy in my avoidance of sports radio, but other than Career Backup McCown, did anyone offer up any options other than Cutler?
I was a fan of the tank on purpose for Jameis Winston strategy. Why have an aging Cutler for 3+ years when you can have Cam Newton on steroids for 10?
But three more years of an aging top-15 QB who is inconsistent, throws way too many god-awful picks, can't beat the Packers, is consistently enigmatic in games (look at his career 2nd and 3rd quarter QB rating relative to 1st and 4th), locks into B-Marsh way too frequently and misses other open throws, and has no track record of meaningful success (and a record of crapping the bed in big games, actually) is an unabashedly good thing, when it's entirely possible right now with a porous defense to go the "suck for Luck" route? (You have to feel for the Colts, going from franchise QB to.... .... ... franchise QB.)
I know we've been starved for good QB play for a long time, but seriously, fans of this are just a bunch of rabidly hungry dogs who will defend their ribeye from Outback like its a porterhouse from Peter Lugar's. Eating scraps from the dumpster for a year would've been worth it to get Winston.
You're trolling us on purpose, right? Is that what this is?
I don't think that people appreciate that Winston will be the best QB drafted since Peyton Manning. I'd happily suffer through 16 games of Krenzel or Jonathan Quinn if it meant the opportunity to draft him. I'd buy all 13 opponents' jerseys and wear them on Sunday if it meant the opportunity to draft him.
Maybe the Cubs trade the Rangers for his rights, and get 2/5 of the way to a starting rotation of otherwise would've-been first-round NFL picks. I could live with that, but whoever wins the Winston draft-lottery is going to be set for a long time at the position.
Go home, CFiHP; you're drunk.
I know there's a lot here to digest, but I'd just like to point out that "consistently enigmatic" is my new favorite thing.
Quote from: CT III on January 02, 2014, 08:54:20 PM
I know there's a lot here to digest, but I'd just like to point out that "consistently enigmatic" is my new favorite thing.
"(look at his career 2nd and 3rd quarter QB rating relative to 1st and 4th)"
Jay Cutler's Career Passer Rating/Completion % by Quarter:
1st: 84.4/62.9%
2nd: 85.4/63.0%
3rd: 85.4/64.7%
4th: 79.4/57.2%
Consistently enigmatic, indeed.
"locks into B-Marsh way too frequently"
Brandon Marshall targets with Jay Cutler at QB: 101.
Alshon Jeffery targets with Jay Cutler at QB: 91.
Truly it's a terrible thing to target your five time Pro Bowl WR an average of one more fucking time per game than your #2 wideout.
"misses other open throws"
Apparently Jay Cutler, he of the 63.1 completion %, misses too many open throws, but Andrew Luck, Franchise QB
TM and his 59.4% and career QB rating of 81.5 are worth tanking for.
You teach us so much, CFiHP. You teach us all. I'm so glad you can continue to enjoy Jay Cutler for another 3-7 years, you fuckhead.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 02, 2014, 06:03:57 PM
Why have an aging Cutler for 3+ years when you can have Cam Newton on steroids for 10?
Because Forte, Marshall, Jeffery, Bennett, and the O-line are good right now.
Quote from: SKO on January 02, 2014, 09:27:58 PM
Quote from: CT III on January 02, 2014, 08:54:20 PM
I know there's a lot here to digest, but I'd just like to point out that "consistently enigmatic" is my new favorite thing.
"(look at his career 2nd and 3rd quarter QB rating relative to 1st and 4th)"
Jay Cutler's Career Passer Rating/Completion % by Quarter:
1st: 84.4/62.9%
2nd: 85.4/63.0%
3rd: 85.4/64.7%
4th: 79.4/57.2%
Consistently enigmatic, indeed.
"locks into B-Marsh way too frequently"
Brandon Marshall targets with Jay Cutler at QB: 101.
Alshon Jeffery targets with Jay Cutler at QB: 91.
Truly it's a terrible thing to target your five time Pro Bowl WR an average of one more fucking time per game than your #2 wideout.
"misses other open throws"
Apparently Jay Cutler, he of the 63.1 completion %, misses too many open throws, but Andrew Luck, Franchise QBTM and his 59.4% and career QB rating of 81.5 are worth tanking for.
You teach us so much, CFiHP. You teach us all. I'm so glad you can continue to enjoy Jay Cutler for another 3-7 years, you fuckhead.
The last three seasons, Cutler has had horrible quarters (they've rotated) of sub-70 (or even sub-60) QBRs. He looks consistent over the course of his career, but most individual seasons have some astonishing differentials by quarter.
More telling though is that in 7 years as a starter, Cutler's only +14 in TD passes to INTs. This season alone, Brees was +17. Luck was +14 this season alone and is +19 in his 2-season career. Rodgers was +11 in his limited this season, and he's a disgusting +136 in a career that's only 2 years longer than Jay. And Rodgers has had some pretty shitty/beat up o-lines in Green Bay and has never thrown a pass to a receiver as good as B-Marsh.
How can a franchise QB have gone 7 seasons as a starter and only thrown 14 more TDs than INTs? That's pretty fucking pathetic. That number should be somewhere around +40 - +50 by now.
Oh, Cutler has thrown more than twice as many picks as Rodgers has in their respective careers (112 - 52). That's...ummmm....a lot? At least enough that you can't ignore the fact that there's a yawning chasm between Jay and the top 5 QBs in the league...And I swear half of Jay's were against Green Bay.
But Jay is basically getting paid as well as Rodgers. Talk about laughing (or crying) all the way to the bank.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 02, 2014, 06:03:57 PM
But three more years of an aging top-15 QB who is inconsistent, throws way too many god-awful picks, can't beat the Packers, is consistently enigmatic in games (look at his career 2nd and 3rd quarter QB rating relative to 1st and 4th), locks into B-Marsh way too frequently and misses other open throws, and has no track record of meaningful success (and a record of crapping the bed in big games, actually) is an unabashedly good thing, when it's entirely possible right now with a porous defense to go the "suck for Luck" route? (You have to feel for the Colts, going from franchise QB to.... .... ... franchise QB.)
Good sentence.
So if you have the #2 offense in the NFL, with only 2 starters over the age of 30, and a shitpile of a defense, the surest way to build a contender is to tear apart said offense and intentionally lose games so you can get a quarterback who may eventually be better than the one you have right now, who just lead the NFL's #2 ranked scoring offense.
Barring that, just draft the greatest quarterback of all time and five pro bowl linemen.
Quote from: SKO on January 03, 2014, 12:08:17 AM
So if you have the #2 offense in the NFL, with only 2 starters over the age of 30, and a shitpile of a defense, the surest way to build a contender is to tear apart said offense and intentionally lose games so you can get a quarterback who may eventually be better than the one you have right now, who just lead the NFL's #2 ranked scoring offense.
Barring that, just draft the greatest quarterback of all time and five pro bowl linemen.
Doesn't the fact that they were able to sustain the pace with a career backup say two things?
1. That it's the offense, not the QB?
And/or
2. That a QB as valuable as Cutler supposedly is should be putting up noticeably better #'s under that system than the career backup, not equivalent numbers with more INTs?
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 03, 2014, 02:01:36 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 03, 2014, 12:08:17 AM
So if you have the #2 offense in the NFL, with only 2 starters over the age of 30, and a shitpile of a defense, the surest way to build a contender is to tear apart said offense and intentionally lose games so you can get a quarterback who may eventually be better than the one you have right now, who just lead the NFL's #2 ranked scoring offense.
Barring that, just draft the greatest quarterback of all time and five pro bowl linemen.
Doesn't the fact that they were able to sustain the pace with a career backup say two things?
1. That it's the offense, not the QB?
And/or
2. That a QB as valuable as Cutler supposedly is should be putting up noticeably better #'s under that system than the career backup, not equivalent numbers with more INTs?
In 1995, in Trestman's offense, Elvis Grbac had a higher completion %, rating, and YPA than Steve Young in five starts. It's almost like backups sometimes go on inexplicably good runs before defenses adjust to them. Or they just play bad defenses.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 03, 2014, 02:01:36 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 03, 2014, 12:08:17 AM
So if you have the #2 offense in the NFL, with only 2 starters over the age of 30, and a shitpile of a defense, the surest way to build a contender is to tear apart said offense and intentionally lose games so you can get a quarterback who may eventually be better than the one you have right now, who just lead the NFL's #2 ranked scoring offense.
Barring that, just draft the greatest quarterback of all time and five pro bowl linemen.
Doesn't the fact that they were able to sustain the pace with a career backup say two things?
1. That it's the offense, not the QB?
And/or
2. That a QB as valuable as Cutler supposedly is should be putting up noticeably better #'s under that system than the career backup, not equivalent numbers with more INTs?
Or,
3. McCown was fortunate to play against the worst defenses in the NFL in the games he started.
Quote from: Eli on January 03, 2014, 08:45:53 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 03, 2014, 02:01:36 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 03, 2014, 12:08:17 AM
So if you have the #2 offense in the NFL, with only 2 starters over the age of 30, and a shitpile of a defense, the surest way to build a contender is to tear apart said offense and intentionally lose games so you can get a quarterback who may eventually be better than the one you have right now, who just lead the NFL's #2 ranked scoring offense.
Barring that, just draft the greatest quarterback of all time and five pro bowl linemen.
Doesn't the fact that they were able to sustain the pace with a career backup say two things?
1. That it's the offense, not the QB?
And/or
2. That a QB as valuable as Cutler supposedly is should be putting up noticeably better #'s under that system than the career backup, not equivalent numbers with more INTs?
Or,
3. McCown was fortunate to play against the worst defenses in the NFL in the games he started.
Including the Vikings who kicked his ugly white ass all over the carpet.
Quote from: InternetApex on January 03, 2014, 09:03:31 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 03, 2014, 08:45:53 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 03, 2014, 02:01:36 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 03, 2014, 12:08:17 AM
So if you have the #2 offense in the NFL, with only 2 starters over the age of 30, and a shitpile of a defense, the surest way to build a contender is to tear apart said offense and intentionally lose games so you can get a quarterback who may eventually be better than the one you have right now, who just lead the NFL's #2 ranked scoring offense.
Barring that, just draft the greatest quarterback of all time and five pro bowl linemen.
Doesn't the fact that they were able to sustain the pace with a career backup say two things?
1. That it's the offense, not the QB?
And/or
2. That a QB as valuable as Cutler supposedly is should be putting up noticeably better #'s under that system than the career backup, not equivalent numbers with more INTs?
Or,
3. McCown was fortunate to play against the worst defenses in the NFL in the games he started.
Including the Vikings who kicked his ugly white ass all over the carpet.
No way in fucking hell McCown has the Bears within 14 points of the Browns.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 03, 2014, 02:01:36 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 03, 2014, 12:08:17 AM
So if you have the #2 offense in the NFL, with only 2 starters over the age of 30, and a shitpile of a defense, the surest way to build a contender is to tear apart said offense and intentionally lose games so you can get a quarterback who may eventually be better than the one you have right now, who just lead the NFL's #2 ranked scoring offense.
Barring that, just draft the greatest quarterback of all time and five pro bowl linemen.
Doesn't the fact that they were able to sustain the pace with a career backup say two things?
1. That it's the offense, not the QB?
And/or
2. That a QB as valuable as Cutler supposedly is should be putting up noticeably better #'s under that system than the career backup, not equivalent numbers with more INTs?
So if your argument is that the offense makes the man, why are you advocating "tanking" an entire season to get the first pick in the draft and take a franchise QB?
Quote from: InternetApex on January 02, 2014, 06:23:39 PM
Quote from: PANK! on January 02, 2014, 06:18:24 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 02, 2014, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 02, 2014, 03:21:02 PM
Usually meatballs are good and illogical, and I am happy in my avoidance of sports radio, but other than Career Backup McCown, did anyone offer up any options other than Cutler?
I was a fan of the tank on purpose for Jameis Winston strategy. Why have an aging Cutler for 3+ years when you can have Cam Newton on steroids for 10?
But three more years of an aging top-15 QB who is inconsistent, throws way too many god-awful picks, can't beat the Packers, is consistently enigmatic in games (look at his career 2nd and 3rd quarter QB rating relative to 1st and 4th), locks into B-Marsh way too frequently and misses other open throws, and has no track record of meaningful success (and a record of crapping the bed in big games, actually) is an unabashedly good thing, when it's entirely possible right now with a porous defense to go the "suck for Luck" route? (You have to feel for the Colts, going from franchise QB to.... .... ... franchise QB.)
I know we've been starved for good QB play for a long time, but seriously, fans of this are just a bunch of rabidly hungry dogs who will defend their ribeye from Outback like its a porterhouse from Peter Lugar's. Eating scraps from the dumpster for a year would've been worth it to get Winston.
You're trolling us on purpose, right? Is that what this is?
If Cutler was so bad, how come the Bears won 8 games? It seems they had what they needed to "Commit Hari Kari for Jabari" or whatever the fuck. But he accidentally won 5 games.
Drink Piss for Jameis
Pretty excited to watch Jameis Winston's career be a complete elephant dump.
Quote from: CT III on January 03, 2014, 09:04:43 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 03, 2014, 02:01:36 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 03, 2014, 12:08:17 AM
So if you have the #2 offense in the NFL, with only 2 starters over the age of 30, and a shitpile of a defense, the surest way to build a contender is to tear apart said offense and intentionally lose games so you can get a quarterback who may eventually be better than the one you have right now, who just lead the NFL's #2 ranked scoring offense.
Barring that, just draft the greatest quarterback of all time and five pro bowl linemen.
Doesn't the fact that they were able to sustain the pace with a career backup say two things?
1. That it's the offense, not the QB?
And/or
2. That a QB as valuable as Cutler supposedly is should be putting up noticeably better #'s under that system than the career backup, not equivalent numbers with more INTs?
So if your argument is that the offense makes the man, why are you advocating "tanking" an entire season to get the first pick in the draft and take a franchise QB?
And if McCown is able to run that offense successfully, how the hell would the tanking even happen?
Quote from: Tony on January 03, 2014, 09:29:36 AM
Quote from: CT III on January 03, 2014, 09:04:43 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 03, 2014, 02:01:36 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 03, 2014, 12:08:17 AM
So if you have the #2 offense in the NFL, with only 2 starters over the age of 30, and a shitpile of a defense, the surest way to build a contender is to tear apart said offense and intentionally lose games so you can get a quarterback who may eventually be better than the one you have right now, who just lead the NFL's #2 ranked scoring offense.
Barring that, just draft the greatest quarterback of all time and five pro bowl linemen.
Doesn't the fact that they were able to sustain the pace with a career backup say two things?
1. That it's the offense, not the QB?
And/or
2. That a QB as valuable as Cutler supposedly is should be putting up noticeably better #'s under that system than the career backup, not equivalent numbers with more INTs?
So if your argument is that the offense makes the man, why are you advocating "tanking" an entire season to get the first pick in the draft and take a franchise QB?
And if McCown is able to run that offense successfully, how the hell would the tanking even happen?
Answer that one idiot.
Quote from: Tony on January 03, 2014, 09:29:36 AM
Quote from: CT III on January 03, 2014, 09:04:43 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 03, 2014, 02:01:36 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 03, 2014, 12:08:17 AM
So if you have the #2 offense in the NFL, with only 2 starters over the age of 30, and a shitpile of a defense, the surest way to build a contender is to tear apart said offense and intentionally lose games so you can get a quarterback who may eventually be better than the one you have right now, who just lead the NFL's #2 ranked scoring offense.
Barring that, just draft the greatest quarterback of all time and five pro bowl linemen.
Doesn't the fact that they were able to sustain the pace with a career backup say two things?
1. That it's the offense, not the QB?
And/or
2. That a QB as valuable as Cutler supposedly is should be putting up noticeably better #'s under that system than the career backup, not equivalent numbers with more INTs?
So if your argument is that the offense makes the man, why are you advocating "tanking" an entire season to get the first pick in the draft and take a franchise QB?
And if McCown is able to run that offense successfully, how the hell would the tanking even happen?
By playing Cutler, because he sucks and is terrible and I hate him.
Quote from: Tony on January 03, 2014, 09:29:36 AM
Quote from: CT III on January 03, 2014, 09:04:43 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 03, 2014, 02:01:36 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 03, 2014, 12:08:17 AM
So if you have the #2 offense in the NFL, with only 2 starters over the age of 30, and a shitpile of a defense, the surest way to build a contender is to tear apart said offense and intentionally lose games so you can get a quarterback who may eventually be better than the one you have right now, who just lead the NFL's #2 ranked scoring offense.
Barring that, just draft the greatest quarterback of all time and five pro bowl linemen.
Doesn't the fact that they were able to sustain the pace with a career backup say two things?
1. That it's the offense, not the QB?
And/or
2. That a QB as valuable as Cutler supposedly is should be putting up noticeably better #'s under that system than the career backup, not equivalent numbers with more INTs?
So if your argument is that the offense makes the man, why are you advocating "tanking" an entire season to get the first pick in the draft and take a franchise QB?
And if McCown is able to run that offense successfully, how the hell would the tanking even happen?
One phone call.
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Quote from: Fork on January 03, 2014, 09:36:34 AM
Quote from: Tony on January 03, 2014, 09:29:36 AM
Quote from: CT III on January 03, 2014, 09:04:43 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 03, 2014, 02:01:36 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 03, 2014, 12:08:17 AM
So if you have the #2 offense in the NFL, with only 2 starters over the age of 30, and a shitpile of a defense, the surest way to build a contender is to tear apart said offense and intentionally lose games so you can get a quarterback who may eventually be better than the one you have right now, who just lead the NFL's #2 ranked scoring offense.
Barring that, just draft the greatest quarterback of all time and five pro bowl linemen.
Doesn't the fact that they were able to sustain the pace with a career backup say two things?
1. That it's the offense, not the QB?
And/or
2. That a QB as valuable as Cutler supposedly is should be putting up noticeably better #'s under that system than the career backup, not equivalent numbers with more INTs?
So if your argument is that the offense makes the man, why are you advocating "tanking" an entire season to get the first pick in the draft and take a franchise QB?
And if McCown is able to run that offense successfully, how the hell would the tanking even happen?
One phone call.
(http://www.freewoodpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/tim-tebow-tebowing.jpg)
He'll easily be available January 7th
Drafting poorly to avoid the need to pay value to good players is the NFL's new market inefficiency.
http://espn.go.com/blog/minnesota-vikings/post/_/id/3983/vikings-cutler-contract-a-cautionary-tale
Quote from: motown on January 03, 2014, 10:13:37 AM
Drafting poorly to avoid the need to pay value to good players is the NFL's new market inefficiency.
http://espn.go.com/blog/minnesota-vikings/post/_/id/3983/vikings-cutler-contract-a-cautionary-tale
Yeah, good stuff Vikings blogger. Whatever makes you feel better.
Quote from: motown on January 03, 2014, 10:13:37 AM
Drafting poorly to avoid the need to pay value to good players is the NFL's new market inefficiency.
http://espn.go.com/blog/minnesota-vikings/post/_/id/3983/vikings-cutler-contract-a-cautionary-tale
Shut up Paul, you're a douche.
Quote from: CT III on January 03, 2014, 09:04:43 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 03, 2014, 02:01:36 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 03, 2014, 12:08:17 AM
So if you have the #2 offense in the NFL, with only 2 starters over the age of 30, and a shitpile of a defense, the surest way to build a contender is to tear apart said offense and intentionally lose games so you can get a quarterback who may eventually be better than the one you have right now, who just lead the NFL's #2 ranked scoring offense.
Barring that, just draft the greatest quarterback of all time and five pro bowl linemen.
Doesn't the fact that they were able to sustain the pace with a career backup say two things?
1. That it's the offense, not the QB?
And/or
2. That a QB as valuable as Cutler supposedly is should be putting up noticeably better #'s under that system than the career backup, not equivalent numbers with more INTs?
So if your argument is that the offense makes the man, why are you advocating "tanking" an entire season to get the first pick in the draft and take a franchise QB?
Because an excellent QB should be able to put up even better numbers in a good offense? Can you imagine Rodgers for a full season in this offense? He could've raced Manning this season if he were wearing a Bears jersey. Instead we pay a guy Rodgers money to play significantly worse than him when he's not injured.
The burden is on Cutler defenders here. Why has he only thrown 18 more TDs than INTs over HIS ENTIRE CAREER? Why does he continue to throw the same fucking lazy INTs off his back foot, sailing balls over open receivers or causing his receivers to only be able to tip them to defenders? Oh, and the injury prone-ness and horrific record against winning teams (something like 10-28 since 2009).
Cutler is every bit the fraud that Romo is, getting paid the same money as guys who actually earn it season in and season out.
As long as the Packers have a relatively young Rodgers, every team in the NFC North is locked in an arms race that they can't win on offense. There are two strategies that I think are viable: 1. build a defense that, when coupled with an offense that may not be prolific, but can possess the ball and be responsible with it, can let you win a close, low-scoring game, or 2. concede the arms race in the short-term, devote your resources towards youth and finding a franchise QB in the draft that will be ready to exert Rodgers-like dominance of the division right at the time that Rodgers is getting old.
The Bears obviously decided to move away from strategy #1, in fairness, because it was probably still suboptimal and proved to be as the 1-8 mark against them of late has proved. But trying to outscore the Packers with a healthy Rodgers is also likely to fail.
The real plan this GM should be judged on is what he does to build the team for the post-Rodgers NFC North.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 04, 2014, 11:39:09 AM
Quote from: CT III on January 03, 2014, 09:04:43 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 03, 2014, 02:01:36 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 03, 2014, 12:08:17 AM
So if you have the #2 offense in the NFL, with only 2 starters over the age of 30, and a shitpile of a defense, the surest way to build a contender is to tear apart said offense and intentionally lose games so you can get a quarterback who may eventually be better than the one you have right now, who just lead the NFL's #2 ranked scoring offense.
Barring that, just draft the greatest quarterback of all time and five pro bowl linemen.
Doesn't the fact that they were able to sustain the pace with a career backup say two things?
1. That it's the offense, not the QB?
And/or
2. That a QB as valuable as Cutler supposedly is should be putting up noticeably better #'s under that system than the career backup, not equivalent numbers with more INTs?
So if your argument is that the offense makes the man, why are you advocating "tanking" an entire season to get the first pick in the draft and take a franchise QB?
Because an excellent QB should be able to put up even better numbers in a good offense? Can you imagine Rodgers for a full season in this offense? He could've raced Manning this season if he were wearing a Bears jersey. Instead we pay a guy Rodgers money to play significantly worse than him when he's not injured.
The burden is on Cutler defenders here. Why has he only thrown 18 more TDs than INTs over HIS ENTIRE CAREER? Why does he continue to throw the same fucking lazy INTs off his back foot, sailing balls over open receivers or causing his receivers to only be able to tip them to defenders? Oh, and the injury prone-ness and horrific record against winning teams (something like 10-28 since 2009).
Cutler is every bit the fraud that Romo is, getting paid the same money as guys who actually earn it season in and season out.
As long as the Packers have a relatively young Rodgers, every team in the NFC North is locked in an arms race that they can't win on offense. There are two strategies that I think are viable: 1. build a defense that, when coupled with an offense that may not be prolific, but can possess the ball and be responsible with it, can let you win a close, low-scoring game, or 2. concede the arms race in the short-term, devote your resources towards youth and finding a franchise QB in the draft that will be ready to exert Rodgers-like dominance of the division right at the time that Rodgers is getting old.
The Bears obviously decided to move away from strategy #1, in fairness, because it was probably still suboptimal and proved to be as the 1-8 mark against them of late has proved. But trying to outscore the Packers with a healthy Rodgers is also likely to fail.
The real plan this GM should be judged on is what he does to build the team for the post-Rodgers NFC North.
DOOOOOOOOOOOON'T(http://25.media.tumblr.com/d00c76302921974212c11299ff11fb39/tumblr_my0np6hfeR1rge9rdo1_500.jpg)
CAAAAAAAAAAAAAARE
Quote from: Sterling Archer on January 04, 2014, 11:49:44 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 04, 2014, 11:39:09 AM
Quote from: CT III on January 03, 2014, 09:04:43 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 03, 2014, 02:01:36 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 03, 2014, 12:08:17 AM
So if you have the #2 offense in the NFL, with only 2 starters over the age of 30, and a shitpile of a defense, the surest way to build a contender is to tear apart said offense and intentionally lose games so you can get a quarterback who may eventually be better than the one you have right now, who just lead the NFL's #2 ranked scoring offense.
Barring that, just draft the greatest quarterback of all time and five pro bowl linemen.
Doesn't the fact that they were able to sustain the pace with a career backup say two things?
1. That it's the offense, not the QB?
And/or
2. That a QB as valuable as Cutler supposedly is should be putting up noticeably better #'s under that system than the career backup, not equivalent numbers with more INTs?
So if your argument is that the offense makes the man, why are you advocating "tanking" an entire season to get the first pick in the draft and take a franchise QB?
Because an excellent QB should be able to put up even better numbers in a good offense? Can you imagine Rodgers for a full season in this offense? He could've raced Manning this season if he were wearing a Bears jersey. Instead we pay a guy Rodgers money to play significantly worse than him when he's not injured.
The burden is on Cutler defenders here. Why has he only thrown 18 more TDs than INTs over HIS ENTIRE CAREER? Why does he continue to throw the same fucking lazy INTs off his back foot, sailing balls over open receivers or causing his receivers to only be able to tip them to defenders? Oh, and the injury prone-ness and horrific record against winning teams (something like 10-28 since 2009).
Cutler is every bit the fraud that Romo is, getting paid the same money as guys who actually earn it season in and season out.
As long as the Packers have a relatively young Rodgers, every team in the NFC North is locked in an arms race that they can't win on offense. There are two strategies that I think are viable: 1. build a defense that, when coupled with an offense that may not be prolific, but can possess the ball and be responsible with it, can let you win a close, low-scoring game, or 2. concede the arms race in the short-term, devote your resources towards youth and finding a franchise QB in the draft that will be ready to exert Rodgers-like dominance of the division right at the time that Rodgers is getting old.
The Bears obviously decided to move away from strategy #1, in fairness, because it was probably still suboptimal and proved to be as the 1-8 mark against them of late has proved. But trying to outscore the Packers with a healthy Rodgers is also likely to fail.
The real plan this GM should be judged on is what he does to build the team for the post-Rodgers NFC North.
DOOOOOOOOOOOON'T
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/d00c76302921974212c11299ff11fb39/tumblr_my0np6hfeR1rge9rdo1_500.jpg)
CAAAAAAAAAAAAAARE
Seriously. Just stop rooting for the navy blue and orange laundry if you're going to be so put off by Cutler.
Idiot.
I just wish we had Luck. Right?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 04, 2014, 04:27:08 PM
I just wish we had Luck. Right?
Don't speak so soon - Colts are down, but still very much in the game....
Edit: So, you were saying....?
And yeah, I'd take a much younger Luck over Cutler right now. That's sort of a no brainer. That scoop of the fumble and dive into the end zone is going to be a staple of highlight films for years...and could very well be a career-defining moment. What a game.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 04, 2014, 05:54:23 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 04, 2014, 04:27:08 PM
I just wish we had Luck. Right?
Don't speak so soon - Colts are down, but still very much in the game.
And yeah, I'd take a much younger Luck over Cutler right now. That's sort of a no brainer.
Right that wrong, Emstink.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on January 04, 2014, 05:54:23 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 04, 2014, 04:27:08 PM
I just wish we had Luck. Right?
Don't speak so soon - Colts are down, but still very much in the game.
And yeah, I'd take a much younger Luck over Cutler right now. That's sort of a no brainer.
Cool - I'm sure the Colts would be excited to give him up
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I just wish we had Luck. Right?
Don't speak so soon - Colts are down, but still very much in the game.
And yeah, I'd take a much younger Luck over Cutler right now. That's sort of a no brainer.
Cool - I'm sure the Colts would be excited to give him up
He certainly was consistently enigmatic today.
The last time I dropped acid it was when I saw Consistently Enigmatic open for Because Fuck Steve Trachsel.
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The last time I dropped acid it was when I saw Consistently Enigmatic open for Because Fuck Steve Trachsel.
Urban Thoreau pulled out of that tour because we had an offer to open for the Brando Pranksters.
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Quote from: SKO on January 03, 2014, 12:08:17 AM
So if you have the #2 offense in the NFL, with only 2 starters over the age of 30, and a shitpile of a defense, the surest way to build a contender is to tear apart said offense and intentionally lose games so you can get a quarterback who may eventually be better than the one you have right now, who just lead the NFL's #2 ranked scoring offense.
Barring that, just draft the greatest quarterback of all time and five pro bowl linemen.
Doesn't the fact that they were able to sustain the pace with a career backup say two things?
1. That it's the offense, not the QB?
And/or
2. That a QB as valuable as Cutler supposedly is should be putting up noticeably better #'s under that system than the career backup, not equivalent numbers with more INTs?
So if your argument is that the offense makes the man, why are you advocating "tanking" an entire season to get the first pick in the draft and take a franchise QB?
Because an excellent QB should be able to put up even better numbers in a good offense? Can you imagine Rodgers for a full season in this offense? He could've raced Manning this season if he were wearing a Bears jersey. Instead we pay a guy Rodgers money to play significantly worse than him when he's not injured.
The burden is on Cutler defenders here. Why has he only thrown 18 more TDs than INTs over HIS ENTIRE CAREER? Why does he continue to throw the same fucking lazy INTs off his back foot, sailing balls over open receivers or causing his receivers to only be able to tip them to defenders? Oh, and the injury prone-ness and horrific record against winning teams (something like 10-28 since 2009).
Cutler is every bit the fraud that Romo is, getting paid the same money as guys who actually earn it season in and season out.
As long as the Packers have a relatively young Rodgers, every team in the NFC North is locked in an arms race that they can't win on offense. There are two strategies that I think are viable: 1. build a defense that, when coupled with an offense that may not be prolific, but can possess the ball and be responsible with it, can let you win a close, low-scoring game, or 2. concede the arms race in the short-term, devote your resources towards youth and finding a franchise QB in the draft that will be ready to exert Rodgers-like dominance of the division right at the time that Rodgers is getting old.
The Bears obviously decided to move away from strategy #1, in fairness, because it was probably still suboptimal and proved to be as the 1-8 mark against them of late has proved. But trying to outscore the Packers with a healthy Rodgers is also likely to fail.
The real plan this GM should be judged on is what he does to build the team for the post-Rodgers NFC North.
Aaron Rodgers and your beloved Packers just lost another home playoff game for you to conveniently forget the next time you unsnap your cockholster to tell us all how great they are.
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So if you have the #2 offense in the NFL, with only 2 starters over the age of 30, and a shitpile of a defense, the surest way to build a contender is to tear apart said offense and intentionally lose games so you can get a quarterback who may eventually be better than the one you have right now, who just lead the NFL's #2 ranked scoring offense.
Barring that, just draft the greatest quarterback of all time and five pro bowl linemen.
Doesn't the fact that they were able to sustain the pace with a career backup say two things?
1. That it's the offense, not the QB?
And/or
2. That a QB as valuable as Cutler supposedly is should be putting up noticeably better #'s under that system than the career backup, not equivalent numbers with more INTs?
So if your argument is that the offense makes the man, why are you advocating "tanking" an entire season to get the first pick in the draft and take a franchise QB?
Because an excellent QB should be able to put up even better numbers in a good offense? Can you imagine Rodgers for a full season in this offense? He could've raced Manning this season if he were wearing a Bears jersey. Instead we pay a guy Rodgers money to play significantly worse than him when he's not injured.
The burden is on Cutler defenders here. Why has he only thrown 18 more TDs than INTs over HIS ENTIRE CAREER? Why does he continue to throw the same fucking lazy INTs off his back foot, sailing balls over open receivers or causing his receivers to only be able to tip them to defenders? Oh, and the injury prone-ness and horrific record against winning teams (something like 10-28 since 2009).
Cutler is every bit the fraud that Romo is, getting paid the same money as guys who actually earn it season in and season out.
As long as the Packers have a relatively young Rodgers, every team in the NFC North is locked in an arms race that they can't win on offense. There are two strategies that I think are viable: 1. build a defense that, when coupled with an offense that may not be prolific, but can possess the ball and be responsible with it, can let you win a close, low-scoring game, or 2. concede the arms race in the short-term, devote your resources towards youth and finding a franchise QB in the draft that will be ready to exert Rodgers-like dominance of the division right at the time that Rodgers is getting old.
The Bears obviously decided to move away from strategy #1, in fairness, because it was probably still suboptimal and proved to be as the 1-8 mark against them of late has proved. But trying to outscore the Packers with a healthy Rodgers is also likely to fail.
The real plan this GM should be judged on is what he does to build the team for the post-Rodgers NFC North.
Aaron Rodgers and your beloved Packers just lost another home playoff game for you to conveniently forget the next time you unsnap your cockholster to tell us all how great they are.
If the Bears had Aaron Rodgers they could have lost yesterday instead of the Packers. Cutstink is terrible.
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Because an excellent QB should be able to put up even better numbers in a good offense?
Gerard: Why did Richard Kimble kill his wife.
CopFromHydePark: He did it for the money.
Gerard: What do you mean, he did it for the money? He's a doctor. He's already rich.
CopFromHydePark: But she was more rich.
So let's start throwing some free agent names out there. Who's going to actually be available? Who will be franchised or re-signed? Which signings will prepare the Bears for the only era that matters, the post-Rodgers NFC North?
TJ Ward
Jairus Byrd
Michael Bennett
Michael Johnson
Greg Hardy
Alex Mack
Rankings by Bleacher Report:
1. Greg Hardy, 25
There is very little chance the Carolina Panthers allow him to hit the open market after his 15 sacks and No. 3 billing among 4-3 defensive ends at Pro Football Focus (subscription required). Hardy might be headed for the franchise tag, according to a tweet from Steve Reed of the Associated Press.
2. Jared Allen, 31
Pass-rushers like Allen usually are not available. Despite getting up there in years, you cannot deny his consistent production. He's surpassed double digits in sacks each of the past seven years. His age and price tag make it unlikely he returns to the Minnesota Vikings.
3. Michael Johnson, 26
The Cincinnati Bengals have a strong and deep defensive front, and Johnson slumped from 11.5 sacks in 2012 to just 3.5 this year. His No. 4 ranking at PFF should net him a solid contract on the market, especially when you consider he is just now entering his prime years of production.
4. Lamarr Houston, 26
He told Jerry McDonald of the Oakland Tribune he expects the Oakland Raiders to allow him to move on this winter. His age and durability should help him line up plenty of suitors, even if he is better against the run than rushing the passer.
5. Michael Bennett, 28
He has posted back-to-back healthy and solid seasons, totaling 17.5 sacks between the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Seattle Seahawks. The Seahawks' depth might afford him an opportunity on the open market again this winter.
6. Justin Tuck, 30
He had a well-timed rebound season and has told the New York Post's Bart Hubbuch there will be no "hometown discount" in a potential return to the New York Giants, who have Jason Pierre-Paul and Damontre Moore under contract as bookends. His veteran leadership is intriguing, but his medicals are a bit sketchy. He has dealt with chronic neck issues.
7. Arthur Jones, 27
The cap crunch likely means Jones priced himself out of the Baltimore Ravens' range. Jones had four sacks and rated as the 12th-best 3-4 defensive end, according to PFF.
8. Robert Ayers, 28
He had a solid first season replacing Elvis Dumervil, registering 5.5 sacks and ranking 14th at PFF among 4-3 defensive ends.
9. Anthony Spencer, 29
Microfracture knee surgery has ended careers of athletes in recent years, but name and potential might drum up some interest in Spencer this winter.
10. Antonio Smith, 32
It helped having J.J. Watt drawing the extra attention on the other side, but Smith earned his own keep with five sacks.
Best of the Rest
Frostee Rucker, 30
Brett Keisel, 35
Ziggy Hood, 26
DTs
1. Henry Melton, 27
The Chicago Bears missed Melton so much after he went down with a torn ACL that they wound up having the worst run defense in football. The injury makes him a bit of a risk, but he is young enough to rebound and earn something this winter.
2. Jason Hatcher, 31
The cap-strapped Dallas Cowboys likely cannot afford Hatcher after a career year when he totaled 11 sacks, which is almost triple his previous career high. He is going to earn a market-value deal based on his numbers, numbers which are unlikely to be repeated as he enters the twilight of his career.
3. Randy Starks, 30
He has always been a bit under-appreciated, but Pro Football Focus (subscription required) might change that by grading him as the seventh-best defensive tackle in football. He rates just above fellow free-agent teammate Paul Soliai here.
4. Linval Joseph, 25
The New York Giants have depth along the defensive line, but they will want to keep it that way when it comes to Joseph. The East Carolina product might have priced himself out of town, though.
5. B.J. Raji, 27
Although he hasn't recorded a sack in either of the past two seasons, he's still a load to handle in the running game. Expect the Green Bay Packers to re-sign him.
Honorable Mention: Paul Soliai, 30
He is a run-stuffer who might be more affordable to bring back than Starks. The Dolphins need to try to re-sign both.
Best of the Rest
Clinton McDonald, 26
Vance Walker, 26
Jonathan Babineaux, 32
Kevin Williams, 33
Fred Evans, 30
Aubrayo Franklin, 33
Shaun Rogers, 34
Scouring the interwebs for the latest news on the guys on RV's list.
TJ Ward - Wants to return to Cleveland, he says. Doubt they'd let him go.
Jairus Byrd - Will be re-signed or tagged by the Bills per their GM in season-review press conference.
Michael Bennett - Definitely an option, since Martellus plays here and the two are close. Seattke is deep enough to let him walk.
Michael Johnson - Not sure who that is. I think he plays soccer and made some homophobic remarks that got him in trouble.
Greg Hardy - After talking "hometown discount" the self-styled "Kraken" now wants a "big number, nothing imaginary." Panthers might very well tag him.
Alex Mack - Although he's a UFA, he says he will give Cleveland right of first refusal when and if he hits the market. He also wants to stay in Cleveland. What's wrong with people?
EDIT: The Michael Johnson who plays for the Bengals?
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Scouring the interwebs for the latest news on the guys on RV's list.
TJ Ward - Wants to return to Cleveland, he says. Doubt they'd let him go.
Jairus Byrd - Will be re-signed or tagged by the Bills per their GM in season-review press conference.
Michael Bennett - Definitely an option, since Martellus plays here and the two are close. Seattke is deep enough to let him walk.
Michael Johnson - Not sure who that is. I think he plays soccer and made some homophobic remarks that got him in trouble.
Greg Hardy - After talking "hometown discount" the self-styled "Kraken" now wants a "big number, nothing imaginary." Panthers might very well tag him.
Alex Mack - Although he's a UFA, he says he will give Cleveland right of first refusal when and if he hits the market. He also wants to stay in Cleveland. What's wrong with people?
EDIT: The Michael Johnson who plays for the Bengals?
Yes, I imagine so.
He's going to be an FA, though coming off a bit of a down year (tackles were up, sacks way down.)
He'll be expensive, for sure.
Quote from: InternetApex on January 06, 2014, 11:18:55 AM
Scouring the interwebs for the latest news on the guys on RV's list.
TJ Ward - Wants to return to Cleveland, he says. Doubt they'd let him go.
Jairus Byrd - Will be re-signed or tagged by the Bills per their GM in season-review press conference.
Michael Bennett - Definitely an option, since Martellus plays here and the two are close. Seattke is deep enough to let him walk.
Michael Johnson - Not sure who that is. I think he plays soccer and made some homophobic remarks that got him in trouble.
Greg Hardy - After talking "hometown discount" the self-styled "Kraken" now wants a "big number, nothing imaginary." Panthers might very well tag him.
Alex Mack - Although he's a UFA, he says he will give Cleveland right of first refusal when and if he hits the market. He also wants to stay in Cleveland. What's wrong with people?
EDIT: The Michael Johnson who plays for the Bengals?
*sigh*
Quote from: InternetApex on January 06, 2014, 11:18:55 AM
Scouring the interwebs for the latest news on the guys on RV's list.
TJ Ward - Wants to return to Cleveland, he says. Doubt they'd let him go.
Jairus Byrd - Will be re-signed or tagged by the Bills per their GM in season-review press conference.
Michael Bennett - Definitely an option, since Martellus plays here and the two are close. Seattke is deep enough to let him walk.
Michael Johnson - Not sure who that is. I think he plays soccer and made some homophobic remarks that got him in trouble.
Greg Hardy - After talking "hometown discount" the self-styled "Kraken" now wants a "big number, nothing imaginary." Panthers might very well tag him.
Alex Mack - Although he's a UFA, he says he will give Cleveland right of first refusal when and if he hits the market. He also wants to stay in Cleveland. What's wrong with people?
EDIT: The Michael Johnson who plays for the Bengals?
Sounds like Wyrd & Bard are long shots, which is a shame. I want this to be the year that the Bears get a safety who's worth a shit.
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Quote from: InternetApex on January 06, 2014, 11:18:55 AM
Scouring the interwebs for the latest news on the guys on RV's list.
TJ Ward - Wants to return to Cleveland, he says. Doubt they'd let him go.
Jairus Byrd - Will be re-signed or tagged by the Bills per their GM in season-review press conference.
Michael Bennett - Definitely an option, since Martellus plays here and the two are close. Seattke is deep enough to let him walk.
Michael Johnson - Not sure who that is. I think he plays soccer and made some homophobic remarks that got him in trouble.
Greg Hardy - After talking "hometown discount" the self-styled "Kraken" now wants a "big number, nothing imaginary." Panthers might very well tag him.
Alex Mack - Although he's a UFA, he says he will give Cleveland right of first refusal when and if he hits the market. He also wants to stay in Cleveland. What's wrong with people?
EDIT: The Michael Johnson who plays for the Bengals?
Sounds like Wyrd & Bard are long shots, which is a shame. I want this to be the year that the Bears get a safety who's worth a shit.
I want it to be the year that they get so many good pass-rushing linemen that whatever safeties they scrape up look competent enough to win.
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Scouring the interwebs for the latest news on the guys on RV's list.
TJ Ward - Wants to return to Cleveland, he says. Doubt they'd let him go.
Jairus Byrd - Will be re-signed or tagged by the Bills per their GM in season-review press conference.
Michael Bennett - Definitely an option, since Martellus plays here and the two are close. Seattke is deep enough to let him walk.
Michael Johnson - Not sure who that is. I think he plays soccer and made some homophobic remarks that got him in trouble.
Greg Hardy - After talking "hometown discount" the self-styled "Kraken" now wants a "big number, nothing imaginary." Panthers might very well tag him.
Alex Mack - Although he's a UFA, he says he will give Cleveland right of first refusal when and if he hits the market. He also wants to stay in Cleveland. What's wrong with people?
EDIT: The Michael Johnson who plays for the Bengals?
Sounds like Wyrd & Bard are long shots, which is a shame. I want this to be the year that the Bears get a safety who's worth a shit.
I want it to be the year that they get so many good pass-rushing linemen that whatever safeties they scrape up look competent enough to win.
My practical and somewhat realistic scenario is Michael Bennett and Donte Whitner as their two big defensive FAs, followed by some "prove it" deals to Henry Melton and Nate Collins and Ratliff, with several other veteran one year deals with the option of getting extended on The Slauson Plan if you perform. Then in the draft I'd expect best available safety/DL in round one and whatever they don't nab in round one in round 2.
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Scouring the interwebs for the latest news on the guys on RV's list.
TJ Ward - Wants to return to Cleveland, he says. Doubt they'd let him go.
Jairus Byrd - Will be re-signed or tagged by the Bills per their GM in season-review press conference.
Michael Bennett - Definitely an option, since Martellus plays here and the two are close. Seattke is deep enough to let him walk.
Michael Johnson - Not sure who that is. I think he plays soccer and made some homophobic remarks that got him in trouble.
Greg Hardy - After talking "hometown discount" the self-styled "Kraken" now wants a "big number, nothing imaginary." Panthers might very well tag him.
Alex Mack - Although he's a UFA, he says he will give Cleveland right of first refusal when and if he hits the market. He also wants to stay in Cleveland. What's wrong with people?
EDIT: The Michael Johnson who plays for the Bengals?
Sounds like Wyrd & Bard are long shots, which is a shame. I want this to be the year that the Bears get a safety who's worth a shit.
I want it to be the year that they get so many good pass-rushing linemen that whatever safeties they scrape up look competent enough to win.
My practical and somewhat realistic scenario is Michael Bennett and Donte Whitner as their two big defensive FAs, followed by some "prove it" deals to Henry Melton and Nate Collins and Ratliff, with several other veteran one year deals with the option of getting extended on The Slauson Plan if you perform. Then in the draft I'd expect best available safety/DL in round one and whatever they don't nab in round one in round 2.
And Peppers is gone?
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Scouring the interwebs for the latest news on the guys on RV's list.
TJ Ward - Wants to return to Cleveland, he says. Doubt they'd let him go.
Jairus Byrd - Will be re-signed or tagged by the Bills per their GM in season-review press conference.
Michael Bennett - Definitely an option, since Martellus plays here and the two are close. Seattke is deep enough to let him walk.
Michael Johnson - Not sure who that is. I think he plays soccer and made some homophobic remarks that got him in trouble.
Greg Hardy - After talking "hometown discount" the self-styled "Kraken" now wants a "big number, nothing imaginary." Panthers might very well tag him.
Alex Mack - Although he's a UFA, he says he will give Cleveland right of first refusal when and if he hits the market. He also wants to stay in Cleveland. What's wrong with people?
EDIT: The Michael Johnson who plays for the Bengals?
Sounds like Wyrd & Bard are long shots, which is a shame. I want this to be the year that the Bears get a safety who's worth a shit.
I want it to be the year that they get so many good pass-rushing linemen that whatever safeties they scrape up look competent enough to win.
My practical and somewhat realistic scenario is Michael Bennett and Donte Whitner as their two big defensive FAs, followed by some "prove it" deals to Henry Melton and Nate Collins and Ratliff, with several other veteran one year deals with the option of getting extended on The Slauson Plan if you perform. Then in the draft I'd expect best available safety/DL in round one and whatever they don't nab in round one in round 2.
And Peppers is gone?
Yeah I think he has to be. Reading through this conversation:
https://twitter.com/djdurkin/status/420269666250915840
The Bears have about $121 M in current 2014 commitments and the cap is going to be about $126 M. That means only $5 M in cap space for free agents.
Cutting Bush, Conte, Earl and Podlesh (http://overthecap.com/teamcap.php?Team=Bears&Year=2014) frees up about $5 M in cap space, so that's $10 M to spend without cutting Peppers.
Cut Peppers and that frees up another $10 M, so that would give Phil $20 M to spend.
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Scouring the interwebs for the latest news on the guys on RV's list.
TJ Ward - Wants to return to Cleveland, he says. Doubt they'd let him go.
Jairus Byrd - Will be re-signed or tagged by the Bills per their GM in season-review press conference.
Michael Bennett - Definitely an option, since Martellus plays here and the two are close. Seattke is deep enough to let him walk.
Michael Johnson - Not sure who that is. I think he plays soccer and made some homophobic remarks that got him in trouble.
Greg Hardy - After talking "hometown discount" the self-styled "Kraken" now wants a "big number, nothing imaginary." Panthers might very well tag him.
Alex Mack - Although he's a UFA, he says he will give Cleveland right of first refusal when and if he hits the market. He also wants to stay in Cleveland. What's wrong with people?
EDIT: The Michael Johnson who plays for the Bengals?
Sounds like Wyrd & Bard are long shots, which is a shame. I want this to be the year that the Bears get a safety who's worth a shit.
I want it to be the year that they get so many good pass-rushing linemen that whatever safeties they scrape up look competent enough to win.
My practical and somewhat realistic scenario is Michael Bennett and Donte Whitner as their two big defensive FAs, followed by some "prove it" deals to Henry Melton and Nate Collins and Ratliff, with several other veteran one year deals with the option of getting extended on The Slauson Plan if you perform. Then in the draft I'd expect best available safety/DL in round one and whatever they don't nab in round one in round 2.
And Peppers is gone?
Peppers is so gone, but probably not until after June 1st. If they make a him a post June 1st cut they can save up to $14 mil against this year's cap vs. just 9 mil if they cut him before.
And available cap space on January 6th matters about as much as the number of unicorns on the practice squad. Worth noting that I believe the Bears supposedly entered free agency last year with just 9.5 mil in space and turned that into Bushrod and Marty B. and then an avalanche of veteran minimum players like Slauson.
Has anyone else yet figured out how 155 minus 112 is 18? By my math that's 43. Granted that's far from the td:int ratio that Aaron Rodgers has, and Lord knows you either have Aaron Rodgers or you are fucked, but happy once again to point out that ole fuckwit either can't read or can't do basic fucking math
Quote from: SKO on January 06, 2014, 06:17:22 PM
Has anyone else yet figured out how 155 minus 112 is 18? By my math that's 43. Granted that's far from the td:int ratio that Aaron Rodgers has, and Lord knows you either have Aaron Rodgers or you are fucked, but happy once again to point out that ole fuckwit either can't read or can't do basic fucking math
Perhaps he's posting from 2010.
I also love that your two strategies are either a: be bad offense, good defense and try to beat Aaron Rodgers 17-14, or b: just sit this thing out until Aaron Rodgers chooses to go away and leave you be. God forbid you go the good offense, slightly less than fucking terrible defense route, because for fuck's sake they just lost said arms race by five fucking points thanks to Chris Conte.
Quote from: SKO on January 06, 2014, 07:04:37 PM
I also love that your two strategies are either a: be bad offense, good defense and try to beat Aaron Rodgers 17-14, or b: just sit this thing out until Aaron Rodgers chooses to go away and leave you be. God forbid you go the good offense, slightly less than fucking terrible defense route, because for fuck's sake they just lost said arms race by five fucking points thanks to Chris Conte.
If Chris Conte played the same number of snaps for San Francisco the Niners would not have won yesterday.
I still don't understand how he thinks the Bears should tank to get Winston. The D can't get any worse, so are they supposed to sit Marshall, Jeffery, and Forte all year so they can go from 8 wins to none? And surely McCown's grittiness would get at least a couple wins, so there is no way to guarantee the first pick.
Apparently the Cutler contract contains an automatic conversion clause that allows the team to change his base salary to signing bonus at any time so they can pretty much create cap room whenever they want. Hence the reason there was no real signing bonus in the deal to begin with. Pretty smart.
Quote from: SKO on January 06, 2014, 06:17:22 PM
Has anyone else yet figured out how 155 minus 112 is 18? By my math that's 43. Granted that's far from the td:int ratio that Aaron Rodgers has, and Lord knows you either have Aaron Rodgers or you are fucked, but happy once again to point out that ole fuckwit either can't read or can't do basic fucking math
DPD but looking back now I see that in an earlier post shit head said Jay was only +14 in touchdowns over interceptions. He can't even be consistent in his wrongness.
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Quote from: SKO on January 06, 2014, 06:17:22 PM
Has anyone else yet figured out how 155 minus 112 is 18? By my math that's 43. Granted that's far from the td:int ratio that Aaron Rodgers has, and Lord knows you either have Aaron Rodgers or you are fucked, but happy once again to point out that ole fuckwit either can't read or can't do basic fucking math
DPD but looking back now I see that in an earlier post shit head said Jay was only +14 in touchdowns over interceptions. He can't even be consistent in his wrongness.
We'll see how consistent he remains in hyping the rapey David Garrard.
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Quote from: SKO on January 06, 2014, 06:17:22 PM
Has anyone else yet figured out how 155 minus 112 is 18? By my math that's 43. Granted that's far from the td:int ratio that Aaron Rodgers has, and Lord knows you either have Aaron Rodgers or you are fucked, but happy once again to point out that ole fuckwit either can't read or can't do basic fucking math
DPD but looking back now I see that in an earlier post shit head said Jay was only +14 in touchdowns over interceptions. He can't even be consistent in his wrongness.
We'll see how consistent he remains in hyping the rapey David Garrard.
Hey man you name the last time a team devoted all of their efforts to acquiring a Heisman winning star college quarterback and it went horribly wrong by year two of his career.
Quote from: SKO on January 06, 2014, 10:22:08 PM
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Quote from: SKO on January 06, 2014, 06:17:22 PM
Has anyone else yet figured out how 155 minus 112 is 18? By my math that's 43. Granted that's far from the td:int ratio that Aaron Rodgers has, and Lord knows you either have Aaron Rodgers or you are fucked, but happy once again to point out that ole fuckwit either can't read or can't do basic fucking math
DPD but looking back now I see that in an earlier post shit head said Jay was only +14 in touchdowns over interceptions. He can't even be consistent in his wrongness.
We'll see how consistent he remains in hyping the rapey David Garrard.
Hey man you name the last time a team devoted all of their efforts to acquiring a Heisman winning star college quarterback and it went horribly wrong by year two of his career.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/Daniel_Snyder.jpg/220px-Daniel_Snyder.jpg)
This guy: "What could go wrong?"
OMFG!!! I'm soooo sick of people whining about Cutler. Yes he sometimes gets a bit lazy with throws, but most of his shitty stuff came before last year. This was when he had NO tight end and basically no real receivers as well as about the shittiest offensive line period. He was running around like a chicken with his head cut off most of the 1st few yrs as qb trying not to get gimped. So why don't we just judge him individually when his line was fucking useless as tits on a bull. I'd take him with what he had to deal with over any other qb in the last 30 yrs.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on January 07, 2014, 03:24:20 AM
OMFG!!! I'm soooo sick of people whining about Cutler. Yes he sometimes gets a bit lazy with throws, but most of his shitty stuff came before last year. This was when he had NO tight end and basically no real receivers as well as about the shittiest offensive line period. He was running around like a chicken with his head cut off most of the 1st few yrs as qb trying not to get gimped. So why don't we just judge him individually when his line was fucking useless as tits on a bull. I'd take him with what he had to deal with over any other qb in the last 30 yrs.
Wow. SUPYAD.
Quote from: InternetApex on January 06, 2014, 09:00:47 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 06, 2014, 08:57:33 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 06, 2014, 06:17:22 PM
Has anyone else yet figured out how 155 minus 112 is 18? By my math that's 43. Granted that's far from the td:int ratio that Aaron Rodgers has, and Lord knows you either have Aaron Rodgers or you are fucked, but happy once again to point out that ole fuckwit either can't read or can't do basic fucking math
DPD but looking back now I see that in an earlier post shit head said Jay was only +14 in touchdowns over interceptions. He can't even be consistent in his wrongness.
We'll see how consistent he remains in hyping the rapey David Garrard.
(http://i.imgur.com/dq8g7tC.png)
Okay, Prisco is an idiot, but still...
GIS results (https://www.google.com/search?q=Paul+Pasqualoni&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=mXk&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=rcs&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=plPhUpCPNees2wWHuoD4Dg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1540&bih=798#imgdii=_) for new Bears DL coach Paul Pasqualoni are an amazing mix of confusion, disbelief and bewilderment.
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/db0df49d7c5bce2b26a77a3f1432f22cab1a24ed/c%3D420-90-2784-1866%26r%3Dx404%26c%3D534x401/local/-/media/USATODAY/test/2013/09/30/1380549664000-USATSI-7404515.jpg)
(http://cache.boston.com/resize/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2011/01/14/1294988976_4095/300h.jpg)
(http://cdn-static.wildabouttrial.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Paul-Pasqualoni-Photo.jpg)
(http://www.fingerlakes1.com/temporary/coachp.jpg)
(http://a.espncdn.com/media/motion/2012/0731/com_120731_adelsonuconn_120731/com_120731_adelsonuconn_120731.jpg)
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTzuM5kSL7CRU8iZEwuaYU3sxkGTGknr-JQVkoaQHKt6vjXqPsz)
You sure that's not just Jeffrey Donovan's dad?
(http://www.nndb.com/people/745/000136337/jeffrey-donovan-2-sized.jpg)
Ok. Good talk.
what's more interesting is that Pasqualoni and Herring, the new LB coach, are both guys with experience in 3-4s and 4-3s. Tucker's also coached both. Really backs up what Emery said about trying to become more of a hybrid defense.
Quote from: InternetApex on January 06, 2014, 11:18:55 AM
Scouring the interwebs for the latest news on the guys on RV's list.
TJ Ward - Wants to return to Cleveland, he says. Doubt they'd let him go.
Jairus Byrd - Will be re-signed or tagged by the Bills per their GM in season-review press conference.
Michael Bennett - Definitely an option, since Martellus plays here and the two are close. Seattke is deep enough to let him walk.
Michael Johnson - Not sure who that is. I think he plays soccer and made some homophobic remarks that got him in trouble.
Greg Hardy - After talking "hometown discount" the self-styled "Kraken" now wants a "big number, nothing imaginary." Panthers might very well tag him.
Alex Mack - Although he's a UFA, he says he will give Cleveland right of first refusal when and if he hits the market. He also wants to stay in Cleveland. What's wrong with people?
EDIT: The Michael Johnson who plays for the Bengals?
Damn. (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000322050/article/seahawks-to-resign-bennett-prioritize-earl-thomas)
Quote from: Sterling Archer on February 02, 2014, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 06, 2014, 11:18:55 AM
Scouring the interwebs for the latest news on the guys on RV's list.
TJ Ward - Wants to return to Cleveland, he says. Doubt they'd let him go.
Jairus Byrd - Will be re-signed or tagged by the Bills per their GM in season-review press conference.
Michael Bennett - Definitely an option, since Martellus plays here and the two are close. Seattke is deep enough to let him walk.
Michael Johnson - Not sure who that is. I think he plays soccer and made some homophobic remarks that got him in trouble.
Greg Hardy - After talking "hometown discount" the self-styled "Kraken" now wants a "big number, nothing imaginary." Panthers might very well tag him.
Alex Mack - Although he's a UFA, he says he will give Cleveland right of first refusal when and if he hits the market. He also wants to stay in Cleveland. What's wrong with people?
EDIT: The Michael Johnson who plays for the Bengals?
Damn. (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000322050/article/seahawks-to-resign-bennett-prioritize-earl-thomas)
*smashes cubicle*
Quote from: InternetApex on February 03, 2014, 09:48:07 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on February 02, 2014, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 06, 2014, 11:18:55 AM
Scouring the interwebs for the latest news on the guys on RV's list.
TJ Ward - Wants to return to Cleveland, he says. Doubt they'd let him go.
Jairus Byrd - Will be re-signed or tagged by the Bills per their GM in season-review press conference.
Michael Bennett - Definitely an option, since Martellus plays here and the two are close. Seattke is deep enough to let him walk.
Michael Johnson - Not sure who that is. I think he plays soccer and made some homophobic remarks that got him in trouble.
Greg Hardy - After talking "hometown discount" the self-styled "Kraken" now wants a "big number, nothing imaginary." Panthers might very well tag him.
Alex Mack - Although he's a UFA, he says he will give Cleveland right of first refusal when and if he hits the market. He also wants to stay in Cleveland. What's wrong with people?
EDIT: The Michael Johnson who plays for the Bengals?
Damn. (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000322050/article/seahawks-to-resign-bennett-prioritize-earl-thomas)
*smashes cubicle*
Yea, but what if Michael wants 2 Super Bowe titles in a row? Will he resign then? I think not.
Quote from: Yeti on February 03, 2014, 09:49:30 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on February 03, 2014, 09:48:07 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on February 02, 2014, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 06, 2014, 11:18:55 AM
Scouring the interwebs for the latest news on the guys on RV's list.
TJ Ward - Wants to return to Cleveland, he says. Doubt they'd let him go.
Jairus Byrd - Will be re-signed or tagged by the Bills per their GM in season-review press conference.
Michael Bennett - Definitely an option, since Martellus plays here and the two are close. Seattke is deep enough to let him walk.
Michael Johnson - Not sure who that is. I think he plays soccer and made some homophobic remarks that got him in trouble.
Greg Hardy - After talking "hometown discount" the self-styled "Kraken" now wants a "big number, nothing imaginary." Panthers might very well tag him.
Alex Mack - Although he's a UFA, he says he will give Cleveland right of first refusal when and if he hits the market. He also wants to stay in Cleveland. What's wrong with people?
EDIT: The Michael Johnson who plays for the Bengals?
Damn. (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000322050/article/seahawks-to-resign-bennett-prioritize-earl-thomas)
*smashes cubicle*
Yea, but what if Michael wants 2 Super Bowe titles in a row? Will he resign then? I think not.
I doubt if he'd resign. Unless he's about to be impeached.
AN ACTIVE GAY PLAYER OH NO HE'S GOING TO LOOK AT ME IN THE SHOWER! PANIC! PANIC!!!! (http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/10429030/michael-sam-missouri-tigers-says-gay)
Anyway, would he help the Bears? Reports seem mixed, that he might be a tweener, and maybe a fourth-round talent. If he's good, and enough dumb teams pass on him, maybe Emery can pick up a late-round steal.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on February 09, 2014, 08:03:09 PM
AN ACTIVE GAY PLAYER OH NO HE'S GOING TO LOOK AT ME IN THE SHOWER! PANIC! PANIC!!!! (http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/10429030/michael-sam-missouri-tigers-says-gay)
Anyway, would he help the Bears? Reports seem mixed, that he might be a tweener, and maybe a fourth-round talent. If he's good, and enough dumb teams pass on him, maybe Emery can pick up a late-round steal.
He's got good quickness, and good LB size. He'll be a good depth player somewhere.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on February 09, 2014, 08:03:09 PM
AN ACTIVE GAY PLAYER OH NO HE'S GOING TO LOOK AT ME IN THE SHOWER! PANIC! PANIC!!!! (http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/10429030/michael-sam-missouri-tigers-says-gay)
Anyway, would he help the Bears? Reports seem mixed, that he might be a tweener, and maybe a fourth-round talent. If he's good, and enough dumb teams pass on him, maybe Emery can pick up a late-round steal.
I may be wrong, but I think he'll be drafted where his value is. It's not gonna drop or go up cause he likes to put weiner in his mouth. (at least it shouldn't)
Quote from: Yeti on February 10, 2014, 10:58:19 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on February 09, 2014, 08:03:09 PM
AN ACTIVE GAY PLAYER OH NO HE'S GOING TO LOOK AT ME IN THE SHOWER! PANIC! PANIC!!!! (http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/10429030/michael-sam-missouri-tigers-says-gay)
Anyway, would he help the Bears? Reports seem mixed, that he might be a tweener, and maybe a fourth-round talent. If he's good, and enough dumb teams pass on him, maybe Emery can pick up a late-round steal.
I may be wrong, but I think he'll be drafted where his value is. It's not gonna drop or go up cause he likes to put weiner in his mouth. (at least it shouldn't)
There will be more than one team who will erase his name from their whiteboard. But some team will nab him in the fourth round because that's about where he'd go before he came out. Besides,based on his account of coming out to teammates and family members, it was merely him confirming what everyone had figured out already anyway.
Still, I feel like the anonymous comments of some front office types need to be highlighted. There's some good ones, but this is my favorite:
Quote"I don't think football is ready for [an openly gay player] just yet," said an NFL player personnel assistant. "In the coming decade or two, it's going to be acceptable, but at this point in time it's still a man's-man game. To call somebody a [gay slur] is still so commonplace. It'd chemically imbalance an NFL locker room and meeting room."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20140209/michael-sam-draft-stock/
Quote from: CT III on February 10, 2014, 11:38:18 AM
Still, I feel like the anonymous comments of some front office types need to be highlighted. There's some good ones, but this is my favorite:
Quote"I don't think football is ready for [an openly gay player] just yet," said an NFL player personnel assistant. "In the coming decade or two, it's going to be acceptable, but at this point in time it's still a man's-man game. To call somebody a [gay slur] is still so commonplace. It'd chemically imbalance an NFL locker room and meeting room."
Chemically?
Quote from: Eli on February 10, 2014, 11:39:17 AM
Quote from: CT III on February 10, 2014, 11:38:18 AM
Still, I feel like the anonymous comments of some front office types need to be highlighted. There's some good ones, but this is my favorite:
Quote"I don't think football is ready for [an openly gay player] just yet," said an NFL player personnel assistant. "In the coming decade or two, it's going to be acceptable, but at this point in time it's still a man's-man game. To call somebody a [gay slur] is still so commonplace. It'd chemically imbalance an NFL locker room and meeting room."
Chemically?
With all the Gay-Cure Pills these guys are poppin'? You bet your ass.
Quote from: CT III on February 10, 2014, 11:38:18 AM
Still, I feel like the anonymous comments of some front office types need to be highlighted. There's some good ones, but this is my favorite:
Quote"I don't think football is ready for [an openly gay player] just yet," said an NFL player personnel assistant. "In the coming decade or two, it's going to be acceptable, but at this point in time it's still a man's-man game. To call somebody a [gay slur] is still so commonplace. It'd chemically imbalance an NFL locker room and meeting room."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20140209/michael-sam-draft-stock/
Quote
"Why? Not that they're against gay people. It's more that some players are going to look at you upside down. Every Tom, Dick and Harry in the media is going to show up, from Good Housekeeping to the Today show. A general manager is going to ask, 'Why are we going to do that to ourselves?'
Good Housekeeping?
Quote from: Fork on February 10, 2014, 11:56:16 AM
Quote from: CT III on February 10, 2014, 11:38:18 AM
Still, I feel like the anonymous comments of some front office types need to be highlighted. There's some good ones, but this is my favorite:
Quote"I don't think football is ready for [an openly gay player] just yet," said an NFL player personnel assistant. "In the coming decade or two, it's going to be acceptable, but at this point in time it's still a man's-man game. To call somebody a [gay slur] is still so commonplace. It'd chemically imbalance an NFL locker room and meeting room."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20140209/michael-sam-draft-stock/
Quote
"Why? Not that they're against gay people. It's more that some players are going to look at you upside down. Every Tom, Dick and Harry in the media is going to show up, from Good Housekeeping to the Today show. A general manager is going to ask, 'Why are we going to do that to ourselves?'
Good Housekeeping?
Yeah, because Da Gays are going to redecoracte the locker room to make it fabolous
I really hope that there are 32 beat writers with enough guts out there to ask each GM if they are the one that made those quotes from the SI article. I doubt that there are.
Quote from: Fork on February 10, 2014, 11:56:16 AM
Quote from: CT III on February 10, 2014, 11:38:18 AM
Still, I feel like the anonymous comments of some front office types need to be highlighted. There's some good ones, but this is my favorite:
Quote"I don't think football is ready for [an openly gay player] just yet," said an NFL player personnel assistant. "In the coming decade or two, it's going to be acceptable, but at this point in time it's still a man's-man game. To call somebody a [gay slur] is still so commonplace. It'd chemically imbalance an NFL locker room and meeting room."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20140209/michael-sam-draft-stock/
Quote
"Why? Not that they're against gay people. It's more that some players are going to look at you upside down. Every Tom, Dick and Harry in the media is going to show up, from Good Housekeeping to the Today show. A general manager is going to ask, 'Why are we going to do that to ourselves?'
Good Housekeeping?
That's great too. The NFL has managed to fucking cow every major SPORTZ news agency in the US and yet we're supposed to believe that Bill Belichek will be hiding in his office because he's afraid to answer questions from Good Housekeeping.
Quote from: Fork on February 10, 2014, 07:44:46 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on February 09, 2014, 08:03:09 PM
AN ACTIVE GAY PLAYER OH NO HE'S GOING TO LOOK AT ME IN THE SHOWER! PANIC! PANIC!!!! (http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/10429030/michael-sam-missouri-tigers-says-gay)
Anyway, would he help the Bears? Reports seem mixed, that he might be a tweener, and maybe a fourth-round talent. If he's good, and enough dumb teams pass on him, maybe Emery can pick up a late-round steal.
He's got good quickness, and good LB size. He'll be a good depth player somewhere.
He'd probably be better than Shea McClellin.
Quote from: InternetApex on February 10, 2014, 11:48:09 AM
With all the Gay-Cure Pills these guys are poppin'? You bet your ass.
Better than the other kind of pills.
(http://i59.tinypic.com/1038mf9.png)
"Danny is definitely feeling something!"
Quote from: thehawk on February 10, 2014, 12:01:15 PM
Quote from: Fork on February 10, 2014, 11:56:16 AM
Quote from: CT III on February 10, 2014, 11:38:18 AM
Still, I feel like the anonymous comments of some front office types need to be highlighted. There's some good ones, but this is my favorite:
Quote"I don't think football is ready for [an openly gay player] just yet," said an NFL player personnel assistant. "In the coming decade or two, it's going to be acceptable, but at this point in time it's still a man's-man game. To call somebody a [gay slur] is still so commonplace. It'd chemically imbalance an NFL locker room and meeting room."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20140209/michael-sam-draft-stock/
Quote
"Why? Not that they're against gay people. It's more that some players are going to look at you upside down. Every Tom, Dick and Harry in the media is going to show up, from Good Housekeeping to the Today show. A general manager is going to ask, 'Why are we going to do that to ourselves?'
Good Housekeeping?
Yeah, because Da Gays are going to redecoracte the locker room to make it fabolous
I really hope that there are 32 beat writers with enough guts out there to ask each GM if they are the one that made those quotes from the SI article. I doubt that there are.
Emery on the record (http://voices.suntimes.com/sports/inside-the-bears/bears-gm-emery-sam-courageous/).
I don't want the Bears to draft him because Shea McClellin and Cornelius Washington are two seemingly worthless tweeners already taking up roster spots that Emery drafted for their versatility the last two years. I'd rather not add another one to the mix. Does that make me anti-ghey? Because Clowney could spend every night just diving into a sea of man meat and I'd kill for him.
Quote from: SKO on February 10, 2014, 01:37:40 PM
I don't want the Bears to draft him because Shea McClellin and Cornelius Washington are two seemingly worthless tweeners already taking up roster spots that Emery drafted for their versatility the last two years. I'd rather not add another one to the mix. Does that make me anti-ghey? Because Clowney could spend every night just diving into a sea of man meat and I'd kill for him.
Who the fuck is Cornelius Washington?
Also, won't the Bears need a bunch of tweeners to run their hybrid 4-3/3-4?
Quote from: CT III on February 10, 2014, 02:05:17 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 10, 2014, 01:37:40 PM
I don't want the Bears to draft him because Shea McClellin and Cornelius Washington are two seemingly worthless tweeners already taking up roster spots that Emery drafted for their versatility the last two years. I'd rather not add another one to the mix. Does that make me anti-ghey? Because Clowney could spend every night just diving into a sea of man meat and I'd kill for him.
Who the fuck is Cornelius Washington?
Also, won't the Bears need a bunch of tweeners to run their hybrid 4-3/3-4?
Cornelius Washington was a guy they kept on the roster for 16 games because he's a super athletic "hybrid" player who was so raw he couldn't get on the field even as the DL turned into a goddamn MASH unit. Scouting report very similar to Sam's, actually. I'd say between him and McClellin they have the "hybrid DE/LB" spot, what they really need now is some DTs big enough to two-gap but fast enough to still play 1 gap when necessary. I mean, someone should draft the guy, he led the SEC in sacks, but he's a project and the Bears really don't need another project at that spot.
Quote from: Fork on February 10, 2014, 01:24:51 PM
Quote from: thehawk on February 10, 2014, 12:01:15 PM
Quote from: Fork on February 10, 2014, 11:56:16 AM
Quote from: CT III on February 10, 2014, 11:38:18 AM
Still, I feel like the anonymous comments of some front office types need to be highlighted. There's some good ones, but this is my favorite:
Quote"I don't think football is ready for [an openly gay player] just yet," said an NFL player personnel assistant. "In the coming decade or two, it's going to be acceptable, but at this point in time it's still a man's-man game. To call somebody a [gay slur] is still so commonplace. It'd chemically imbalance an NFL locker room and meeting room."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20140209/michael-sam-draft-stock/
Quote
"Why? Not that they're against gay people. It's more that some players are going to look at you upside down. Every Tom, Dick and Harry in the media is going to show up, from Good Housekeeping to the Today show. A general manager is going to ask, 'Why are we going to do that to ourselves?'
Good Housekeeping?
Yeah, because Da Gays are going to redecoracte the locker room to make it fabolous
I really hope that there are 32 beat writers with enough guts out there to ask each GM if they are the one that made those quotes from the SI article. I doubt that there are.
Emery on the record (http://voices.suntimes.com/sports/inside-the-bears/bears-gm-emery-sam-courageous/).
Good for Phil. 1 down 31 to go.
Quote from: SKO on February 10, 2014, 02:10:39 PM
Quote from: CT III on February 10, 2014, 02:05:17 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 10, 2014, 01:37:40 PM
I don't want the Bears to draft him because Shea McClellin and Cornelius Washington are two seemingly worthless tweeners already taking up roster spots that Emery drafted for their versatility the last two years. I'd rather not add another one to the mix. Does that make me anti-ghey? Because Clowney could spend every night just diving into a sea of man meat and I'd kill for him.
Who the fuck is Cornelius Washington?
Also, won't the Bears need a bunch of tweeners to run their hybrid 4-3/3-4?
Cornelius Washington was a guy they kept on the roster for 16 games because he's a super athletic "hybrid" player who was so raw he couldn't get on the field even as the DL turned into a goddamn MASH unit. Scouting report very similar to Sam's, actually. I'd say between him and McClellin they have the "hybrid DE/LB" spot, what they really need now is some DTs big enough to two-gap but fast enough to still play 1 gap when necessary. I mean, someone should draft the guy, he led the SEC in sacks, but he's a project and the Bears really don't need another project at that spot.
I say the Bears should draft him, thus moving one step closer to fulfilling Huey and I's dream of a 53 Thierry roster.
Phil punted Podlesh today, thankfully. (http://www.chicagobears.com/news/article-1/Bears-release-punter-Adam-Podlesh/95232b39-78ce-4901-9867-1707db8ba9ff)
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 05, 2014, 04:53:35 PM
Phil punted Podlesh today, thankfully. (http://www.chicagobears.com/news/article-1/Bears-release-punter-Adam-Podlesh/95232b39-78ce-4901-9867-1707db8ba9ff)
and Hester won't be returning (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000330703/article/devin-hester-unlikely-to-return-to-chicago-bears).
Quote from: Fork on March 05, 2014, 04:56:37 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 05, 2014, 04:53:35 PM
Phil punted Podlesh today, thankfully. (http://www.chicagobears.com/news/article-1/Bears-release-punter-Adam-Podlesh/95232b39-78ce-4901-9867-1707db8ba9ff)
and Hester won't be returning to the Bears (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000330703/article/devin-hester-unlikely-to-return-to-chicago-bears).
Disambiguate'd
So that report was stupid and wrong: Bennett is testing free agency. Come on, Black Unicorn, work your magic.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 07, 2014, 12:07:51 PM
So that report was stupid and wrong: Bennett is testing free agency. Come on, Black Unicorn, work your magic.
Julius Peppers or bust!
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 10, 2014, 09:20:42 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 07, 2014, 12:07:51 PM
So that report was stupid and wrong: Bennett is testing free agency. Come on, Black Unicorn, work your magic.
Julius Peppers or bust!
I wanted Bennett as much as anybody but there are still options. Lamarr Houston is certainly a capable generic Michael Bennett replacement.
Quote from: SKO on March 11, 2014, 08:10:20 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 10, 2014, 09:20:42 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 07, 2014, 12:07:51 PM
So that report was stupid and wrong: Bennett is testing free agency. Come on, Black Unicorn, work your magic.
Julius Peppers or bust!
I wanted Bennett as much as anybody but there are still options. Lamarr Houston is certainly a capable generic Michael Bennett replacement.
Good call, Me
Quote from: SKO on March 11, 2014, 03:07:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 11, 2014, 08:10:20 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 10, 2014, 09:20:42 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 07, 2014, 12:07:51 PM
So that report was stupid and wrong: Bennett is testing free agency. Come on, Black Unicorn, work your magic.
Julius Peppers or bust!
I wanted Bennett as much as anybody but there are still options. Lamarr Houston is certainly a capable generic Michael Bennett replacement.
Good call, Me
Yeah, you were one of only a handful of hundreds of sources indicating that the Bears had an interest in Houston.
Quote from: InternetApex on March 11, 2014, 03:20:52 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 11, 2014, 03:07:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 11, 2014, 08:10:20 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 10, 2014, 09:20:42 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 07, 2014, 12:07:51 PM
So that report was stupid and wrong: Bennett is testing free agency. Come on, Black Unicorn, work your magic.
Julius Peppers or bust!
I wanted Bennett as much as anybody but there are still options. Lamarr Houston is certainly a capable generic Michael Bennett replacement.
Good call, Me
Yeah, you were one of only a handful of hundreds of sources indicating that the Bears had an interest in Houston.
Glad we agree that I was right.
Quote from: SKO on March 11, 2014, 03:26:56 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 11, 2014, 03:20:52 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 11, 2014, 03:07:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 11, 2014, 08:10:20 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 10, 2014, 09:20:42 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 07, 2014, 12:07:51 PM
So that report was stupid and wrong: Bennett is testing free agency. Come on, Black Unicorn, work your magic.
Julius Peppers or bust!
I wanted Bennett as much as anybody but there are still options. Lamarr Houston is certainly a capable generic Michael Bennett replacement.
Good call, Me
Yeah, you were one of only a handful of hundreds of sources indicating that the Bears had an interest in Houston.
Glad we agree that I was right.
Try to go two-for-two and tell us whether he's worth a shit.
Quote from: InternetApex on March 11, 2014, 03:40:10 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 11, 2014, 03:26:56 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 11, 2014, 03:20:52 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 11, 2014, 03:07:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 11, 2014, 08:10:20 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 10, 2014, 09:20:42 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 07, 2014, 12:07:51 PM
So that report was stupid and wrong: Bennett is testing free agency. Come on, Black Unicorn, work your magic.
Julius Peppers or bust!
I wanted Bennett as much as anybody but there are still options. Lamarr Houston is certainly a capable generic Michael Bennett replacement.
Good call, Me
Yeah, you were one of only a handful of hundreds of sources indicating that the Bears had an interest in Houston.
Glad we agree that I was right.
Try to go two-for-two and tell us whether he's worth a shit.
Short answer: absolutely.
Long answer: There will be rage as he'll probably never get more than 7 or 8 sacks in a season. He'll move from DE to DT and almost single-handedly shut down half the field in run defense as he led the entire NFL in run stop % as a DE last year, but the short-sighted comparison will be to Julius Peppers or the DANIMAL or whoever the fuck and he'll be found wanting despite giving the defense a hell of a lot more flexibility.
I'd also say he's a relative bargain in this market given that he got far less money than Michael Johnson and Everson Griffin (36th ranked DE in 2013=43 million by Vikings Math) and almost 10 million less in guaranteed money than Bennett.
You want numbers?
According to PFF he was their 11th overall 4-3 DE last year. He was 1st in run stop % (runs stopped for a loss or a gain of less than 3 yards). He was 8th in QB Hits at 16, and 9th in QB Pressures at 41.
I say good deal.
So Peppers is now going to get cut, right?
Quote from: Slaky on March 11, 2014, 04:08:12 PM
So Peppers is now going to get cut, right?
I really can't imagine a scenario in which he wouldn't, but the fact that they haven't cut him yet is interesting.
Quote from: SKO on March 11, 2014, 03:56:48 PM
I'd also say he's a relative bargain in this market given that he got far less money than Michael Johnson and Everson Griffin (36th ranked DE in 2013=43 million by Vikings Math) and almost 10 million less in guaranteed money than Bennett.
You want numbers?
According to PFF he was their 11th overall 4-3 DE last year. He was 1st in run stop % (runs stopped for a loss or a gain of less than 3 yards). He was 8th in QB Hits at 16, and 9th in QB Pressures at 41.
I say good deal.
He has a very strange surface.
They also re-signed D.J. Williams and are reportedly close to a deal with former Giants/Steelers safety Ryan Mundy.
So there is stuff that is happening.
Quote from: InternetApex on March 11, 2014, 04:32:50 PM
They also re-signed D.J. Williams and are reportedly close to a deal with former Giants/Steelers safety Ryan Mundy.
So there is stuff that is happening.
Both of whom are just average. Which is exponentially better than what they fielded at MLB safety the last 9 games last year. So huzzah
Quote from: InternetApex on March 11, 2014, 04:32:50 PM
They also re-signed D.J. Williams and are reportedly close to a deal with former Giants/Steelers safety Ryan Mundy.
So there is stuff that is happening.
Stuff is happening. Has Chris Conte been released/defenestrated/tarred and feathered/exiled yet?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 11, 2014, 04:35:23 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 11, 2014, 04:32:50 PM
They also re-signed D.J. Williams and are reportedly close to a deal with former Giants/Steelers safety Ryan Mundy.
So there is stuff that is happening.
Stuff is happening. Has Chris Conte been released/defenestrated/tarred and feathered/exiled yet?
He's on the team for next year. Major Wrong won't be returning. I would expect them to draft a safety to compete with Conte for the starting gig and hopefully Chris makes an impact and breaks his clavicle on special teams.
And I'm hearing Ryan Mundy was responsible for the coverage gaffe that allowed Tebow to chase Demaryus Thomas all the way into the tunnel and do gross things to him in the playoffs. So... he's the black Conte I guess. Pen?
Quote from: InternetApex on March 11, 2014, 04:38:38 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 11, 2014, 04:35:23 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 11, 2014, 04:32:50 PM
They also re-signed D.J. Williams and are reportedly close to a deal with former Giants/Steelers safety Ryan Mundy.
So there is stuff that is happening.
Stuff is happening. Has Chris Conte been released/defenestrated/tarred and feathered/exiled yet?
He's on the team for next year. Major Wrong won't be returning. I would expect them to draft a safety to compete with Conte for the starting gig and hopefully Chris makes an impact and breaks his clavicle on special teams.
And I'm hearing Ryan Mundy was responsible for the coverage gaffe that allowed Tebow to chase Demaryus Thomas all the way into the tunnel and do gross things to him in the playoffs. So... he's the black Conte I guess. Pen?
Fuck. Emstink is terrible.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 11, 2014, 04:41:36 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 11, 2014, 04:38:38 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 11, 2014, 04:35:23 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 11, 2014, 04:32:50 PM
They also re-signed D.J. Williams and are reportedly close to a deal with former Giants/Steelers safety Ryan Mundy.
So there is stuff that is happening.
Stuff is happening. Has Chris Conte been released/defenestrated/tarred and feathered/exiled yet?
He's on the team for next year. Major Wrong won't be returning. I would expect them to draft a safety to compete with Conte for the starting gig and hopefully Chris makes an impact and breaks his clavicle on special teams.
And I'm hearing Ryan Mundy was responsible for the coverage gaffe that allowed Tebow to chase Demaryus Thomas all the way into the tunnel and do gross things to him in the playoffs. So... he's the black Conte I guess. Pen?
Fuck. Emstink is terrible.
I'm hearing Mundy is mostly a special teamer. Meh.
Quote from: InternetApex on March 11, 2014, 04:38:38 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 11, 2014, 04:35:23 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 11, 2014, 04:32:50 PM
They also re-signed D.J. Williams and are reportedly close to a deal with former Giants/Steelers safety Ryan Mundy.
So there is stuff that is happening.
Stuff is happening. Has Chris Conte been released/defenestrated/tarred and feathered/exiled yet?
He's on the team for next year. Major Wrong won't be returning. I would expect them to draft a safety to compete with Conte for the starting gig and hopefully Chris makes an impact and breaks his clavicle on special teams.
And I'm hearing Ryan Mundy was responsible for the coverage gaffe that allowed Tebow to chase Demaryus Thomas all the way into the tunnel and do gross things to him in the playoffs. So... he's the black Conte I guess. Pen?
I doubt they've penciled Mundy in as a starter anyway. My guess is they're not done adding safeties. They may not add one of the big names but they're probably waiting for guys in the middle tier to see what the market is.
Quote from: InternetApex on March 11, 2014, 04:52:32 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 11, 2014, 04:41:36 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 11, 2014, 04:38:38 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 11, 2014, 04:35:23 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 11, 2014, 04:32:50 PM
They also re-signed D.J. Williams and are reportedly close to a deal with former Giants/Steelers safety Ryan Mundy.
So there is stuff that is happening.
Stuff is happening. Has Chris Conte been released/defenestrated/tarred and feathered/exiled yet?
He's on the team for next year. Major Wrong won't be returning. I would expect them to draft a safety to compete with Conte for the starting gig and hopefully Chris makes an impact and breaks his clavicle on special teams.
And I'm hearing Ryan Mundy was responsible for the coverage gaffe that allowed Tebow to chase Demaryus Thomas all the way into the tunnel and do gross things to him in the playoffs. So... he's the black Conte I guess. Pen?
Fuck. Emstink is terrible.
I'm hearing Mundy is mostly a special teamer. Meh.
Special teams would probably be fine for him. I'm desperate for impact players on defense. It's okay though... Phil's got a process.
Now Hub is on B&B to tell everyone how much he hated these moves and how Phil doesn't know what he's doing. As soon as Hub takes a stand, I'll know what to think about these moves: the opposite of Hub.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 11, 2014, 05:04:40 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 11, 2014, 04:52:32 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 11, 2014, 04:41:36 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 11, 2014, 04:38:38 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 11, 2014, 04:35:23 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 11, 2014, 04:32:50 PM
They also re-signed D.J. Williams and are reportedly close to a deal with former Giants/Steelers safety Ryan Mundy.
So there is stuff that is happening.
Stuff is happening. Has Chris Conte been released/defenestrated/tarred and feathered/exiled yet?
He's on the team for next year. Major Wrong won't be returning. I would expect them to draft a safety to compete with Conte for the starting gig and hopefully Chris makes an impact and breaks his clavicle on special teams.
And I'm hearing Ryan Mundy was responsible for the coverage gaffe that allowed Tebow to chase Demaryus Thomas all the way into the tunnel and do gross things to him in the playoffs. So... he's the black Conte I guess. Pen?
Fuck. Emstink is terrible.
I'm hearing Mundy is mostly a special teamer. Meh.
Special teams would probably be fine for him. I'm desperate for impact players on defense. It's okay though... Phil's got a process.
Now Hub is on B&B to tell everyone how much he hated these moves and how Phil doesn't know what he's doing. As soon as Hub takes a stand, I'll know what to think about these moves: the opposite of Hub.
Mundy lost his starting spot last year in the juggernaut that was the Giants secondary.
DAT MCNOWN GUY IS BETTER THAN DAT UTLER GUY. DAT UTLER GUY GOT NO HEART MY FRENTS. (http://regressing.deadspin.com/nfl-year-end-review-where-did-your-teams-offense-come-1493694944/1541732958/+kylenw/@kylenw)
M.D. Jennings, a Chicago Bear. So the Bears now have these guys competing for time at safety next year.
Ryan Mundy, who allowed Tebow-Mania to be a thing to this day by blowing coverage on Demaryus Thomas.
M.D. Jennings, who failed to secure the interception on the jump ball with Goulden Taint which put the replacement refs on the firing squad line for a week.
and...
Chris Conte, who personally wet himself at the Battle of Baden Hill.
Fun bunch.
I FEEL BAD FOR CATE MCNOUN DAT GUY NEVER GOT A SHOT WIT DA CLUB AFTER JO RON LEFT. HE WILL BE A STAR WIT LOVIE MY FRENTS. EMSTINKISTERRIBLE
Quote from: InternetApex on March 12, 2014, 12:53:37 PM
M.D. Jennings, a Chicago Bear. So the Bears now have these guys competing for time at safety next year.
Ryan Mundy, who allowed Tebow-Mania to be a thing to this day by blowing coverage on Demaryus Thomas.
M.D. Jennings, who failed to secure the interception on the jump ball with Goulden Taint which put the replacement refs on the firing squad line for a week.
and...
Chris Conte, who personally wet himself at the Battle of Baden Hill.
Fun bunch.
They loved him.
(http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg258/krustykc/RedskinsFunBunch.jpg)
Jared Allen. 4 years, $32 million. In real money 2 years, $15.5 million.
Basically traded one Julius Peppers ($18 million) for not much less than the combined hits of Houston/Allen/Young (~19 million).
Quote from: SKO on March 26, 2014, 08:48:11 AM
Jared Allen. 4 years, $32 million. In real money 2 years, $15.5 million.
Basically traded one Julius Peppers ($18 million) for not much less than the combined hits of Houston/Allen/Young (~19 million).
That's really wonderful when you put it that way.
(||)
Quote from: SKO on March 26, 2014, 08:48:11 AM
Jared Allen. 4 years, $32 million. In real money 2 years, $15.5 million.
Basically traded one Julius Peppers ($18 million) for not much less than the combined hits of Houston/Allen/Young (~19 million).
This (https://twitter.com/PFF/status/448821405379870720) is killing the mood a little bit. Help me, Dr. Football.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 26, 2014, 11:17:23 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 26, 2014, 08:48:11 AM
Jared Allen. 4 years, $32 million. In real money 2 years, $15.5 million.
Basically traded one Julius Peppers ($18 million) for not much less than the combined hits of Houston/Allen/Young (~19 million).
This (https://twitter.com/PFF/status/448821405379870720) is killing the mood a little bit. Help me, Dr. Football.
I've got a sneaking suspicion that he's not that great anymore. If he's in a decent rotation of meh DE's and only in for pass-rushing downs, I don't think he'll be too bad. If they expect him to be an every down destroyer like he was two years ago, that's probably not gonna work.
Quote from: InternetApex on March 26, 2014, 11:28:58 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 26, 2014, 11:17:23 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 26, 2014, 08:48:11 AM
Jared Allen. 4 years, $32 million. In real money 2 years, $15.5 million.
Basically traded one Julius Peppers ($18 million) for not much less than the combined hits of Houston/Allen/Young (~19 million).
This (https://twitter.com/PFF/status/448821405379870720) is killing the mood a little bit. Help me, Dr. Football.
I've got a sneaking suspicion that he's not that great anymore. If he's in a decent rotation of meh DE's and only in for pass-rushing downs, I don't think he'll be too bad. If they expect him to be an every down destroyer like he was two years ago, that's probably not gonna work.
That's what it is. He's a complimentary piece. Houston and Young are both solid capable starters. 2 years 15 mil is an Ok price to see if you can squeeze two good years out of Allen as a pass rush specialist who no longer has to play 1000+snaps.
Quote from: SKO on March 26, 2014, 11:33:28 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 26, 2014, 11:28:58 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 26, 2014, 11:17:23 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 26, 2014, 08:48:11 AM
Jared Allen. 4 years, $32 million. In real money 2 years, $15.5 million.
Basically traded one Julius Peppers ($18 million) for not much less than the combined hits of Houston/Allen/Young (~19 million).
This (https://twitter.com/PFF/status/448821405379870720) is killing the mood a little bit. Help me, Dr. Football.
I've got a sneaking suspicion that he's not that great anymore. If he's in a decent rotation of meh DE's and only in for pass-rushing downs, I don't think he'll be too bad. If they expect him to be an every down destroyer like he was two years ago, that's probably not gonna work.
That's what it is. He's a complimentary piece. Houston and Young are both solid capable starters. 2 years 15 mil is an Ok price to see if you can squeeze two good years out of Allen as a pass rush specialist who no longer has to play 1000+snaps.
Hub is over the moon about this signing so I'm sure it's going to backfire now.
Quote from: InternetApex on March 26, 2014, 05:13:58 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 26, 2014, 11:33:28 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 26, 2014, 11:28:58 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 26, 2014, 11:17:23 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 26, 2014, 08:48:11 AM
Jared Allen. 4 years, $32 million. In real money 2 years, $15.5 million.
Basically traded one Julius Peppers ($18 million) for not much less than the combined hits of Houston/Allen/Young (~19 million).
This (https://twitter.com/PFF/status/448821405379870720) is killing the mood a little bit. Help me, Dr. Football.
I've got a sneaking suspicion that he's not that great anymore. If he's in a decent rotation of meh DE's and only in for pass-rushing downs, I don't think he'll be too bad. If they expect him to be an every down destroyer like he was two years ago, that's probably not gonna work.
That's what it is. He's a complimentary piece. Houston and Young are both solid capable starters. 2 years 15 mil is an Ok price to see if you can squeeze two good years out of Allen as a pass rush specialist who no longer has to play 1000+snaps.
Hub is over the moon about this signing so I'm sure it's going to backfire now.
it's one of the 12 NFL players he's heard of
Quote from: Slaky on March 27, 2014, 09:53:30 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 26, 2014, 05:13:58 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 26, 2014, 11:33:28 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 26, 2014, 11:28:58 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 26, 2014, 11:17:23 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 26, 2014, 08:48:11 AM
Jared Allen. 4 years, $32 million. In real money 2 years, $15.5 million.
Basically traded one Julius Peppers ($18 million) for not much less than the combined hits of Houston/Allen/Young (~19 million).
This (https://twitter.com/PFF/status/448821405379870720) is killing the mood a little bit. Help me, Dr. Football.
I've got a sneaking suspicion that he's not that great anymore. If he's in a decent rotation of meh DE's and only in for pass-rushing downs, I don't think he'll be too bad. If they expect him to be an every down destroyer like he was two years ago, that's probably not gonna work.
That's what it is. He's a complimentary piece. Houston and Young are both solid capable starters. 2 years 15 mil is an Ok price to see if you can squeeze two good years out of Allen as a pass rush specialist who no longer has to play 1000+snaps.
Hub is over the moon about this signing so I'm sure it's going to backfire now.
it's one of the 12 NFL players he's heard of
He was also going on about how he thinks this means Houston is going to be moved to defensive tackle full time and poo-poo'd the idea of the three ends rotating. I have no doubt Houston's going to play a shit ton of reps there at DT, especially on passing downs, but I do not think the team is planning on having Allen play every single rep at right end like he did in Minnesota.
Quote from: SKO on March 27, 2014, 10:12:57 AM
Quote from: Slaky on March 27, 2014, 09:53:30 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 26, 2014, 05:13:58 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 26, 2014, 11:33:28 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 26, 2014, 11:28:58 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 26, 2014, 11:17:23 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 26, 2014, 08:48:11 AM
Jared Allen. 4 years, $32 million. In real money 2 years, $15.5 million.
Basically traded one Julius Peppers ($18 million) for not much less than the combined hits of Houston/Allen/Young (~19 million).
This (https://twitter.com/PFF/status/448821405379870720) is killing the mood a little bit. Help me, Dr. Football.
I've got a sneaking suspicion that he's not that great anymore. If he's in a decent rotation of meh DE's and only in for pass-rushing downs, I don't think he'll be too bad. If they expect him to be an every down destroyer like he was two years ago, that's probably not gonna work.
That's what it is. He's a complimentary piece. Houston and Young are both solid capable starters. 2 years 15 mil is an Ok price to see if you can squeeze two good years out of Allen as a pass rush specialist who no longer has to play 1000+snaps.
Hub is over the moon about this signing so I'm sure it's going to backfire now.
it's one of the 12 NFL players he's heard of
He was also going on about how he thinks this means Houston is going to be moved to defensive tackle full time and poo-poo'd the idea of the three ends rotating. I have no doubt Houston's going to play a shit ton of reps there at DT, especially on passing downs, but I do not think the team is planning on having Allen play every single rep at right end like he did in Minnesota.
I'll tell you what I'm going to do. I'm going sit back and see how this all plays out. And sometime in August, I'm going to get way too excited about the defense either being totally awesome or completely fucked. Or maybe, just maybe, I'll declare that the defense is meh. I'll do this again every week until February when the Bears win the fucking Super Bowl.
Quote from: Slaky on March 27, 2014, 09:53:30 AM
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Quote from: SKO on March 26, 2014, 11:33:28 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 26, 2014, 11:28:58 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 26, 2014, 11:17:23 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 26, 2014, 08:48:11 AM
Jared Allen. 4 years, $32 million. In real money 2 years, $15.5 million.
Basically traded one Julius Peppers ($18 million) for not much less than the combined hits of Houston/Allen/Young (~19 million).
This (https://twitter.com/PFF/status/448821405379870720) is killing the mood a little bit. Help me, Dr. Football.
I've got a sneaking suspicion that he's not that great anymore. If he's in a decent rotation of meh DE's and only in for pass-rushing downs, I don't think he'll be too bad. If they expect him to be an every down destroyer like he was two years ago, that's probably not gonna work.
That's what it is. He's a complimentary piece. Houston and Young are both solid capable starters. 2 years 15 mil is an Ok price to see if you can squeeze two good years out of Allen as a pass rush specialist who no longer has to play 1000+snaps.
Hub is over the moon about this signing so I'm sure it's going to backfire now.
it's one of the 12 NFL players he's heard of
How did Hub manage to kill an NFL-only magazine at a time when people almost literally can't get enough of the NFL?
Quote from: Shooter on March 28, 2014, 07:36:43 PM
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Quote from: SKO on March 26, 2014, 11:33:28 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 26, 2014, 11:28:58 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 26, 2014, 11:17:23 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 26, 2014, 08:48:11 AM
Jared Allen. 4 years, $32 million. In real money 2 years, $15.5 million.
Basically traded one Julius Peppers ($18 million) for not much less than the combined hits of Houston/Allen/Young (~19 million).
This (https://twitter.com/PFF/status/448821405379870720) is killing the mood a little bit. Help me, Dr. Football.
I've got a sneaking suspicion that he's not that great anymore. If he's in a decent rotation of meh DE's and only in for pass-rushing downs, I don't think he'll be too bad. If they expect him to be an every down destroyer like he was two years ago, that's probably not gonna work.
That's what it is. He's a complimentary piece. Houston and Young are both solid capable starters. 2 years 15 mil is an Ok price to see if you can squeeze two good years out of Allen as a pass rush specialist who no longer has to play 1000+snaps.
Hub is over the moon about this signing so I'm sure it's going to backfire now.
it's one of the 12 NFL players he's heard of
How did Hub manage to kill an NFL-only magazine at a time when people almost literally can't get enough of the NFL?
Print is dead.
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Quote from: InternetApex on March 26, 2014, 11:28:58 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 26, 2014, 11:17:23 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 26, 2014, 08:48:11 AM
Jared Allen. 4 years, $32 million. In real money 2 years, $15.5 million.
Basically traded one Julius Peppers ($18 million) for not much less than the combined hits of Houston/Allen/Young (~19 million).
This (https://twitter.com/PFF/status/448821405379870720) is killing the mood a little bit. Help me, Dr. Football.
I've got a sneaking suspicion that he's not that great anymore. If he's in a decent rotation of meh DE's and only in for pass-rushing downs, I don't think he'll be too bad. If they expect him to be an every down destroyer like he was two years ago, that's probably not gonna work.
That's what it is. He's a complimentary piece. Houston and Young are both solid capable starters. 2 years 15 mil is an Ok price to see if you can squeeze two good years out of Allen as a pass rush specialist who no longer has to play 1000+snaps.
Hub is over the moon about this signing so I'm sure it's going to backfire now.
it's one of the 12 NFL players he's heard of
How did Hub manage to kill an NFL-only magazine at a time when people almost literally can't get enough of the NFL?
Print is dead.
Oh, that's very fascinating to me.
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 26, 2014, 11:17:23 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 26, 2014, 08:48:11 AM
Jared Allen. 4 years, $32 million. In real money 2 years, $15.5 million.
Basically traded one Julius Peppers ($18 million) for not much less than the combined hits of Houston/Allen/Young (~19 million).
This (https://twitter.com/PFF/status/448821405379870720) is killing the mood a little bit. Help me, Dr. Football.
I've got a sneaking suspicion that he's not that great anymore. If he's in a decent rotation of meh DE's and only in for pass-rushing downs, I don't think he'll be too bad. If they expect him to be an every down destroyer like he was two years ago, that's probably not gonna work.
That's what it is. He's a complimentary piece. Houston and Young are both solid capable starters. 2 years 15 mil is an Ok price to see if you can squeeze two good years out of Allen as a pass rush specialist who no longer has to play 1000+snaps.
Hub is over the moon about this signing so I'm sure it's going to backfire now.
it's one of the 12 NFL players he's heard of
How did Hub manage to kill an NFL-only magazine at a time when people almost literally can't get enough of the NFL?
Print is dead.
Oh, that's very fascinating to me.
Yet, Hub lives on
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 26, 2014, 11:17:23 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 26, 2014, 08:48:11 AM
Jared Allen. 4 years, $32 million. In real money 2 years, $15.5 million.
Basically traded one Julius Peppers ($18 million) for not much less than the combined hits of Houston/Allen/Young (~19 million).
This (https://twitter.com/PFF/status/448821405379870720) is killing the mood a little bit. Help me, Dr. Football.
I've got a sneaking suspicion that he's not that great anymore. If he's in a decent rotation of meh DE's and only in for pass-rushing downs, I don't think he'll be too bad. If they expect him to be an every down destroyer like he was two years ago, that's probably not gonna work.
That's what it is. He's a complimentary piece. Houston and Young are both solid capable starters. 2 years 15 mil is an Ok price to see if you can squeeze two good years out of Allen as a pass rush specialist who no longer has to play 1000+snaps.
Hub is over the moon about this signing so I'm sure it's going to backfire now.
it's one of the 12 NFL players he's heard of
How did Hub manage to kill an NFL-only magazine at a time when people almost literally can't get enough of the NFL?
Print is dead.
Oh, that's very fascinating to me.
Completely explains why the website shut down.
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 26, 2014, 11:17:23 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 26, 2014, 08:48:11 AM
Jared Allen. 4 years, $32 million. In real money 2 years, $15.5 million.
Basically traded one Julius Peppers ($18 million) for not much less than the combined hits of Houston/Allen/Young (~19 million).
This (https://twitter.com/PFF/status/448821405379870720) is killing the mood a little bit. Help me, Dr. Football.
I've got a sneaking suspicion that he's not that great anymore. If he's in a decent rotation of meh DE's and only in for pass-rushing downs, I don't think he'll be too bad. If they expect him to be an every down destroyer like he was two years ago, that's probably not gonna work.
That's what it is. He's a complimentary piece. Houston and Young are both solid capable starters. 2 years 15 mil is an Ok price to see if you can squeeze two good years out of Allen as a pass rush specialist who no longer has to play 1000+snaps.
Hub is over the moon about this signing so I'm sure it's going to backfire now.
it's one of the 12 NFL players he's heard of
How did Hub manage to kill an NFL-only magazine at a time when people almost literally can't get enough of the NFL?
Print is dead.
Oh, that's very fascinating to me.
I collect spores, molds and fungus.
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Jared Allen. 4 years, $32 million. In real money 2 years, $15.5 million.
Basically traded one Julius Peppers ($18 million) for not much less than the combined hits of Houston/Allen/Young (~19 million).
This (https://twitter.com/PFF/status/448821405379870720) is killing the mood a little bit. Help me, Dr. Football.
I've got a sneaking suspicion that he's not that great anymore. If he's in a decent rotation of meh DE's and only in for pass-rushing downs, I don't think he'll be too bad. If they expect him to be an every down destroyer like he was two years ago, that's probably not gonna work.
That's what it is. He's a complimentary piece. Houston and Young are both solid capable starters. 2 years 15 mil is an Ok price to see if you can squeeze two good years out of Allen as a pass rush specialist who no longer has to play 1000+snaps.
Hub is over the moon about this signing so I'm sure it's going to backfire now.
it's one of the 12 NFL players he's heard of
How did Hub manage to kill an NFL-only magazine at a time when people almost literally can't get enough of the NFL?
Print is dead.
Oh, that's very fascinating to me.
I collect spores, molds and fungus.
Penicillin stopped working?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on March 29, 2014, 10:53:45 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on March 29, 2014, 04:39:22 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on March 29, 2014, 03:25:08 PM
Quote from: Shooter on March 28, 2014, 07:36:43 PM
Quote from: Slaky on March 27, 2014, 09:53:30 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 26, 2014, 05:13:58 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 26, 2014, 11:33:28 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 26, 2014, 11:28:58 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 26, 2014, 11:17:23 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 26, 2014, 08:48:11 AM
Jared Allen. 4 years, $32 million. In real money 2 years, $15.5 million.
Basically traded one Julius Peppers ($18 million) for not much less than the combined hits of Houston/Allen/Young (~19 million).
This (https://twitter.com/PFF/status/448821405379870720) is killing the mood a little bit. Help me, Dr. Football.
I've got a sneaking suspicion that he's not that great anymore. If he's in a decent rotation of meh DE's and only in for pass-rushing downs, I don't think he'll be too bad. If they expect him to be an every down destroyer like he was two years ago, that's probably not gonna work.
That's what it is. He's a complimentary piece. Houston and Young are both solid capable starters. 2 years 15 mil is an Ok price to see if you can squeeze two good years out of Allen as a pass rush specialist who no longer has to play 1000+snaps.
Hub is over the moon about this signing so I'm sure it's going to backfire now.
it's one of the 12 NFL players he's heard of
How did Hub manage to kill an NFL-only magazine at a time when people almost literally can't get enough of the NFL?
Print is dead.
Oh, that's very fascinating to me.
I collect spores, molds and fungus.
The food of the future?