You expected the offense to suck, but you had to figure that if the D got Pat Ramsey and Co. back on their own 1 yard line, they wouldn't let Ramsey look like Dan Marino and take them downfield. And where's the pass rush? As I type that, they get a coverage sack and force a fumble. Ask and receive. But anyway they have to play better.
Well, game over.If they give up even a field goal, that's ballgame (and they'll probably give up a TD, they're getting torched). This'll cut down on time lost to watching the Bears this season.
Then Briggs decapitates Ramsey and the Bears pick up the fumble. I'll stop narrating here, whatever I type they invalidate in a few minutes.
Johnston, Siragusa, Stockton: MORANS
Stockton has twice called Mark Brunell "Scott".
Johnston said "Commissioner Roselle" went down to Louisiana to help with the relief efforts.
Siragusa said Ramsey would come right back in the game after that hit by Briggs but he hasn't yet.
This is pathetic. Slow death. If every game this year consists of the D being just good enough to give up a few field goals, and the offense incapable of getting a first down....I can't imagine anybody watching this team all year. It's worse to see half a team than a team that's altogether bad.
[Dusty Baker] See, this is what happens when you play kids, dude. Come on man, put Blake in, let's not kill the kid's confidence... Dude.[/Dusty Baker]
Orton's the only guy on the offense who's shown up. Moose has a bunch of yards but that's cause the kid's throwing to him all the time. Plus he dropped a big gainer. And Thomas Jones is reminding people why the Bears drafted Benson. Who, ready or not, needs to get the hell out there.
Quote from: Paul on September 11, 2005, 01:31:14 PM
Orton's the only guy on the offense who's shown up. Moose has a bunch of yards but that's cause the kid's throwing to him all the time. Plus he dropped a big gainer. And Thomas Jones is reminding people why the Bears drafted Benson. Who, ready or not, needs to get the hell out there.
Orton and Mush are the only ones that have shown up today. The O-Line has been inconsistent, and we don't have a pass rush.
Ron Turner's play-calling hasn't changed much from the last couple years here in Champaign: Run up the middle on first down, run up the middle on second down, pass short of what you need for a first down on third down.
When are people going to start getting on Lovie Smith for not being able to find an offensive coordinator worth a crap???
I guess it takes recovering a fumble on a kickoff to get an offensive touchdown.
They're gonna need another one if the D keeps giving up first downs. It's a good D but it gives up yardage.
The defense is failing the offense. Really more frustrating than ironic. I guess stopping the run is asking too much.
Painful. Just painful.
Orton gets lucky on a ball he tosses up that Bradley pulls down for a big gain, so next play he tries to force it down the middle and gets picked off in the end zone. Same thing happened after Orton's big completion to Moose in the last preseason game. If he's going to throw an overconfident, stupid pass into the end zone after every big completion this year, and then say post-game that he'll "never do it again," he can be benched for all I care. Dumb ass.
What a clusterf*** by the offensive line... We only needed one more first down to get in FG range and then we get not one, not two, but THREE consecutive false start penalties.
This is an embarrassment to the entire region. The Bears were just in field goal range, then Thomas Jones come in for Benson and loses 3 yards, then THREE DIFFERENT O-linemen get consecutive false start penalties. It's now 2nd and 28. Now Orton gets sacked. The rookies are going to lose the game? The veterans will have done it. Unbelievable. 5:53 left now, down 2, Washington ball at the 23. Unbelievable. In field goal range to maybe win the game and you lose 28 yards.
And this D is overrated. I don't care how physical they are. Every big third down situation, they give it up. Right after their offense gets a lead, they give it up. They're Glendon Rusch.
And now Washington's driving on them and killing the clock. Way to show up, guys. Seven minutes sitting on the sideline and you can't show up to stop Washington when you need to.
I'm sorry but this defensive system is entirely Lovie Smith's... The problem with it is that it is NOT designed to stop the run... As Washington is showing today, you can run on this altered Cover 2 defensive system all day and eventually wear the players in the system out...
(Note: This is the same system Tony Dungy runs, and you wonder why his teams in Tampa and Indy have never been able to win anything. This is why: The defense isn't designed to stop the run...)
Wake me in a few years when Orton and Benson are good.
At least ND is winning.
If this is the crap we are going to see all season then let's just fire Turner and Lovie now and bring in someone that actually knows offense and actually knows how to stop the run.
Unacceptable that we lost this game against a p***-poor team that had to play their 93-year-old backup quarterback most of the game.
166 total yards today for the Bears per WSCR just a few minutes ago
Quote from: Paul on September 11, 2005, 02:13:26 PM
Painful. Just painful.
Orton gets lucky on a ball he tosses up that Bradley pulls down for a big gain, so next play he tries to force it down the middle and gets picked off in the end zone. Same thing happened after Orton's big completion to Moose in the last preseason game. If he's going to throw an overconfident, stupid pass into the end zone after every big completion this year, and then say post-game that he'll "never do it again," he can be benched for all I care. Dumb ass.
Wow, weren't you driving the Kyle Orton Bandwagon about a week ago? What a shock, a rookie QB struggles in his first NFL start (and against an elite defense). Orton actually looked better than I thought he would. He settled down in the 2nd half, and made some nice plays, other than the interception that he forced into zone coverage. Kid needs to learn when to give up on a play and throw the ball away. The o-line actually did a better job in pass protection than I thought, but they couldn't open any holes for the running backs. Whether this is due to the Skins D or that they're just bad run blockers, I don't know.
As for the defense, they just couldn't get off the field on 3rd and long, and they still can't stop Clinton Portis. The scheme isn't built to stop the run or pass, it's designed to force turnovers. One of the biggest plays was Mike Green's penalty that nullified Vashar's 2nd interception. Biggest dissappointment on that side was Mike Brown. He wiffed on Portis on the long run that got the Skins away from their own end zone, and he couldn't cover Chris Cooley to save his life.
Mike Green killed us a couple times in the first half...
I hated that Lovie and our coaching staff showed no emotion today... Too Baker-ish for me...
As you can tell I'm not too happy with Lovie anymore... At least Jauron was able to get in the playoffs... Lovie seems to want to take this team farther and farther away from them... Too Baker-ish for me, thanks.
Quote from: CT on September 11, 2005, 03:15:51 PM
Quote from: Paul on September 11, 2005, 02:13:26 PM
Painful. Just painful.
Orton gets lucky on a ball he tosses up that Bradley pulls down for a big gain, so next play he tries to force it down the middle and gets picked off in the end zone. Same thing happened after Orton's big completion to Moose in the last preseason game. If he's going to throw an overconfident, stupid pass into the end zone after every big completion this year, and then say post-game that he'll "never do it again," he can be benched for all I care. Dumb ass.
Wow, weren't you driving the Kyle Orton Bandwagon about a week ago? What a shock, a rookie QB struggles in his first NFL start (and against an elite defense).
It's not that he struggled. He didn't struggle. That's why I backed him. He's talented and relatively poised.
What pisses me off is that his mistake was not a rookie mistake; it was a Kyle Orton mistake. He's made the exact same mistake twice in his two starts. There's been a big completion downfield when he aired it out, and next play he gets overconfident and throws it carelessly up into the endzone, where it gets intercepted. He and Muhammad said it wouldn't happen again after he did it in the preseason game. His doing it again, immediately, in the exact same way he did it in the preseason game, shows either stupidity or a stubbornness on his part. If he doesn't do that, they win the game. He has all the tools to be good, but if he's going to be a stubborn, careless Brett Favre type down near the goal line, he can go to hell. This team doesn't have a good enough offense for him to make ill-advised throws out of pride down near the end zone. The rest of his performance was fine, as expected. He was hurt by the lack of a running game (Benson will help this - he played better than Jones even without having had a training camp), and his two fumbles weren't great, but on the whole he played great. If he'd thrown a basic interception, I'd still probably give him a B. But since he threw a stupid overconfident INT that he knew better than to throw, it's a C.
Quote from: BC on September 11, 2005, 03:36:01 PM
As you can tell I'm not too happy with Lovie anymore... At least Jauron was able to get in the playoffs... Lovie seems to want to take this team farther and farther away from them... Too Baker-ish for me, thanks.
Should Ryne Sandberg be hired as the head coach to take them to the Promised Land?
Quote from: BC on September 11, 2005, 03:36:01 PM
I hated that Lovie and our coaching staff showed no emotion today... Too Baker-ish for me...
I know, right? Black people suck.
Quote from: BC on September 11, 2005, 03:36:01 PM
Mike Green killed us a couple times in the first half...
And he's been benched.
Not bad. It only took the Bears 5 seasons + 1 game to realize that the last player taken in the 2000 draft was drafted last for a reason.
Quote from: Mike D. on September 14, 2005, 03:06:19 PM
Quote from: BC on September 11, 2005, 03:36:01 PM
Mike Green killed us a couple times in the first half...
And he's been benched.
Not bad. It only took the Bears 5 seasons + 1 game to realize that the last player taken in the 2000 draft was drafted last for a reason.
What does it say about the current GM that the last pick in the 2000 draft is still on the team, and our 1st rounder from 2002 has been cut?
Quote from: CT on September 14, 2005, 03:39:47 PM
What does it say about the current GM that the last pick in the 2000 draft is still on the team, and our 1st rounder from 2002 has been cut?
It says that the draft is shorter today than it was years ago making the last guy drafted have a higher rating now than 10 years ago (Hilgenberg was undrafted in a 12 round draft!) and that the 2002 guy shreded his knee.
Quote from: CT on September 14, 2005, 03:39:47 PM
Quote from: Mike D. on September 14, 2005, 03:06:19 PM
Quote from: BC on September 11, 2005, 03:36:01 PM
Mike Green killed us a couple times in the first half...
And he's been benched.
Not bad. It only took the Bears 5 seasons + 1 game to realize that the last player taken in the 2000 draft was drafted last for a reason.
What does it say about the current GM that the last pick in the 2000 draft is still on the team, and our 1st rounder from 2002 has been cut?
You want to know why the Bears suck? Â Look no further than the first-round picks from the past 14 drafts (I exempted 2005. Â God help us if Benson's a bust)
91 Â
Stan Thomas92 Â
Alonzo Spellman93 Â
Curtis Conway94 Â
John Theory of Relatively Awful Wannstedt Picks95 Â
Raashaan Saalaam96 Â
Walt Harris97 Â Traded away for
Rick Mirer. Â First pick in 2nd round was
John Allred98 Â
Curtis Penis99 Â
Cade McNown2000 Â
Brian Urlacher01 Â
David Terrell02 Â
Mark Columbo03 Â
Rex Grossman/MichaelHaynes04 Â
Tommie HarrisIncluding Rick Mirer (but not John Allred), the list is 15 players.
In that group you've got six total busters: Â
Thomas, Thierry, Mirer, Enis, McNown, ColumboIn that group, you've got six disappointments:
Spellman, Conway, Salaam, Terrel, Grossman, Haynes (One could argue that
Haynes is a bust. Â He'll be on that list in December if he does nothing this year)
That narrows it  down to three players:
Walt Harris- Â Turned into a serviceable corner, whose best years were at the end of his Bears tenure, before he was sprung as a free agent.
Urlacher-- When not spending time in opponent's huddles lobbying for Pro Bowl votes, he's generally been quite good, although he still gets his ass beat too much to be mentioned in the pantheon of great Bear LB's just yet. Â
Tommie Harris-- looks promising, but he also got his fat ass beat so badly by Washington last week, I'll reserve judgement until he plays a few games this year
without walking off the field with cleat marks on his chest.
Just sick. Â And you can't just blame Jerry Angelo. Â Mark Hatley, Rod Graves, Bill Tobin and Mike Ditka all had a hand in this. Â The one constant is McCaskey so blame his ass if you must, but we've simply been cursed by extremely poor personnel management since the early 90's.
I think you've got to put Terrell in the total busts category.
Quote from: CT on September 14, 2005, 04:08:17 PM
I think you've got to put Terrell in the total busts category.
His two clutch TD catches in that wild comeback win vs. the 49ers in his rookie year in 2001 is all that keeps him away from the "bust" pile.
Jesus, get your own blog already.
That's funny, considering that :
A) I do have my own blog, although I admittedly seldom write anything on it and
B) The complaint comes from an angry, bitter, sociopathic geriatric who happens to be #3 on the "Topics Started" list.
Catch the irony, Gramps?
I didn't think PPE was old. From his bitter take on Must Like Dogs, I thought he was a 20-something pissed at the world about having to go on date nights.
To be fair, they have hit on some lower round picks...
Briggs, Holdman, Colvin, Alex Brown, Mike Brown, Kruetz, Peanut...not a bad place to start...
Mark Bradley looks promising.
Quote from: bozos72 on September 14, 2005, 04:42:51 PM
To be fair, they have hit on some lower round picks...
Briggs, Holdman, Colvin, Alex Brown, Mike Brown, Kruetz, Peanut...not a bad place to start...
Mark Bradley looks promising.
Roosevelt Colvin was good too. Oh and Dez White, well, sucked.
Quote from: Mike D. on September 14, 2005, 04:35:57 PM
That's funny, considering that :
A) I do have my own blog, although I admittedly seldom write anything on it and
B) The complaint comes from an angry, bitter, sociopathic geriatric who happens to be #3 on the "Topics Started" list.
Catch the irony, Gramps?
Was directed at Paul, not you Mike, when I saw him responding to his own posts repeatedly in this thread. Lighten up. And I'm not TOO old (44).
Quote from: The Paul Popovich Experience on September 14, 2005, 06:56:31 PM
Quote from: Mike D. on September 14, 2005, 04:35:57 PM
That's funny, considering that :
A) I do have my own blog, although I admittedly seldom write anything on it and
B) The complaint comes from an angry, bitter, sociopathic geriatric who happens to be #3 on the "Topics Started" list.
Catch the irony, Gramps?
Was directed at Paul, not you Mike, when I saw him responding to his own posts repeatedly in this thread. Lighten up. And I'm not TOO old (44).
Oops. My bad. Sorry.
But your profile says you're 59.
And those latter round picks (i.e. Mike Brown Colvin etc.) That's fine, but so long as you're queering the deal at the top, with your first rounders, you'll be in trouble. It's like leading off your games with Corey Patterson and Neifi Perez before you get to Lee and Ramirez.
Quote from: Mike D. on September 15, 2005, 08:59:48 AM
Oops. My bad. Sorry.
But your profile says you're 59.
And those latter round picks (i.e. Mike Brown Colvin etc.) That's fine, but so long as you're queering the deal at the top, with your first rounders, you'll be in trouble. It's like leading off your games with Corey Patterson and Neifi Perez before you get to Lee and Ramirez.
You're checking my profile to see my age? Dude, you're weirding me out. And, I'd like to take this first opportunity of the day to say again that yes, Baker is a friggin moran.
Quote from: The Paul Popovich Experience on September 15, 2005, 09:31:49 AM
And, I'd like to take this first opportunity of the day to say again that yes, Baker is a friggin moran.
How long do you suppose he'll be batting his hottest hiiter seventh?
Quote from: Mike D. on September 15, 2005, 09:44:27 AM
How long do you suppose he'll be batting his hottest hiiter seventh?
I dunno. When does Murton turn thirty?
Quote from: Tonker on September 15, 2005, 09:47:26 AM
Quote from: Mike D. on September 15, 2005, 09:44:27 AM
How long do you suppose he'll be batting his hottest hiiter seventh?
I dunno.  When does Murton turn thirty?
I'd rather live in the Netherlands than be a Cubs fan if Dusty is still the manager when Murton turns 30...
Who am I kidding, I'd rather live in the Netherlands now...
Right, you're on. I'll swap you.
Quote from: Tonker on September 15, 2005, 09:53:34 AM
Right, you're on. I'll swap you.
Tonks--
Our pittance of a vacation policy vis-avis your existing 6 months off work, would probably give you pause.
Murton sucks.
Quote from: The Paul Popovich Experience on September 15, 2005, 09:31:49 AM
Quote from: Mike D. on September 15, 2005, 08:59:48 AM
Oops. My bad. Sorry.
But your profile says you're 59.
You're checking my profile to see my age? Dude, you're weirding me out. And, I'd like to take this first opportunity of the day to say again that yes, Baker is a friggin moran.
The bold'd part made me laugh.
GOD DAMN IT APEX ... the first page of this thread makes me want to kill you for bumping it.