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Re: 2014 Chicago Cubs: Let's Go 2015 Cubs!
« Reply #210 on: August 07, 2014, 09:52:24 AM »
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 02:26:52 AM
Claimed Cole Hamels. Can they get a deal done without trading core guys? Maybe Almora?

Can they also convince Hamels to come here?  Doesn't look like a trade is likely even if he does (Amarao seems to like his own guys way too much), but its good to see the Cubs making the claim.
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Re: 2014 Chicago Cubs: Let's Go 2015 Cubs!
« Reply #211 on: August 07, 2014, 11:29:20 AM »
Quote from: thehawk on August 07, 2014, 09:52:24 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 02:26:52 AM
Claimed Cole Hamels. Can they get a deal done without trading core guys? Maybe Almora?

Can they also convince Hamels to come here?  Doesn't look like a trade is likely even if he does (Amarao seems to like his own guys way too much), but its good to see the Cubs making the claim.

If I'm the owner I don't think Ruben would need to worry about this stuff much longer.
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Re: 2014 Chicago Cubs: Let's Go 2015 Cubs!
« Reply #212 on: August 07, 2014, 02:58:53 PM »
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 11:29:20 AM
Quote from: thehawk on August 07, 2014, 09:52:24 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 02:26:52 AM
Claimed Cole Hamels. Can they get a deal done without trading core guys? Maybe Almora?

Can they also convince Hamels to come here?  Doesn't look like a trade is likely even if he does (Amarao seems to like his own guys way too much), but its good to see the Cubs making the claim.

If I'm the owner I don't think Ruben would need to worry about this stuff much longer.

You're right, but they aren't likely to launch him in the next 48 hours (when this trade would have to be done).
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Re: 2014 Chicago Cubs: Let's Go 2015 Cubs!
« Reply #213 on: August 07, 2014, 03:04:39 PM »
Quote from: thehawk on August 07, 2014, 02:58:53 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 11:29:20 AM
Quote from: thehawk on August 07, 2014, 09:52:24 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 02:26:52 AM
Claimed Cole Hamels. Can they get a deal done without trading core guys? Maybe Almora?

Can they also convince Hamels to come here?  Doesn't look like a trade is likely even if he does (Amarao seems to like his own guys way too much), but its good to see the Cubs making the claim.

If I'm the owner I don't think Ruben would need to worry about this stuff much longer.

You're right, but they aren't likely to launch him in the next 48 hours (when this trade would have to be done).

Maybe they can convince him that Ryno was constantly bashing Hamels before they hired him and wants him to get hurt. Pull out all the stops.
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Re: 2014 Chicago Cubs: Let's Go 2015 Cubs!
« Reply #214 on: August 08, 2014, 08:55:02 AM »
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 03:04:39 PM
Quote from: thehawk on August 07, 2014, 02:58:53 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 11:29:20 AM
Quote from: thehawk on August 07, 2014, 09:52:24 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 02:26:52 AM
Claimed Cole Hamels. Can they get a deal done without trading core guys? Maybe Almora?

Can they also convince Hamels to come here?  Doesn't look like a trade is likely even if he does (Amarao seems to like his own guys way too much), but its good to see the Cubs making the claim.

If I'm the owner I don't think Ruben would need to worry about this stuff much longer.

You're right, but they aren't likely to launch him in the next 48 hours (when this trade would have to be done).

Maybe they can convince him that Ryno was constantly bashing Hamels before they hired him and wants him to get hurt. Pull out all the stops.

Hamels would seem to have more value to a contending team. I really hope Epstink wouldn't give up any top prospects for him. Let the Giants give up their farm. To hell with this.
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Re: 2014 Chicago Cubs: Let's Go 2015 Cubs!
« Reply #215 on: August 08, 2014, 09:02:35 AM »
Quote from: InternetApex on August 08, 2014, 08:55:02 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 03:04:39 PM
Quote from: thehawk on August 07, 2014, 02:58:53 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 11:29:20 AM
Quote from: thehawk on August 07, 2014, 09:52:24 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 02:26:52 AM
Claimed Cole Hamels. Can they get a deal done without trading core guys? Maybe Almora?

Can they also convince Hamels to come here?  Doesn't look like a trade is likely even if he does (Amarao seems to like his own guys way too much), but its good to see the Cubs making the claim.

If I'm the owner I don't think Ruben would need to worry about this stuff much longer.

You're right, but they aren't likely to launch him in the next 48 hours (when this trade would have to be done).

Maybe they can convince him that Ryno was constantly bashing Hamels before they hired him and wants him to get hurt. Pull out all the stops.

Hamels would seem to have more value to a contending team. I really hope Epstink wouldn't give up any top prospects for him. Let the Giants give up their farm. To hell with this.

Hamels should be really good for at least 5 more years, and doesn't get paid a ton. He'd be great on the Cubs, but Amaro I'm sure wants Russell plus another top guy plus Cubs to pay all of Hamels salary, which is really stupid. To hell with this is right.

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Re: 2014 Chicago Cubs: Let's Go 2015 Cubs!
« Reply #216 on: August 08, 2014, 09:05:28 AM »
Quote from: BH on August 08, 2014, 09:02:35 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 08, 2014, 08:55:02 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 03:04:39 PM
Quote from: thehawk on August 07, 2014, 02:58:53 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 11:29:20 AM
Quote from: thehawk on August 07, 2014, 09:52:24 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 02:26:52 AM
Claimed Cole Hamels. Can they get a deal done without trading core guys? Maybe Almora?

Can they also convince Hamels to come here?  Doesn't look like a trade is likely even if he does (Amarao seems to like his own guys way too much), but its good to see the Cubs making the claim.

If I'm the owner I don't think Ruben would need to worry about this stuff much longer.

You're right, but they aren't likely to launch him in the next 48 hours (when this trade would have to be done).

Maybe they can convince him that Ryno was constantly bashing Hamels before they hired him and wants him to get hurt. Pull out all the stops.

Hamels would seem to have more value to a contending team. I really hope Epstink wouldn't give up any top prospects for him. Let the Giants give up their farm. To hell with this.

Hamels should be really good for at least 5 more years, and doesn't get paid a ton. He'd be great on the Cubs, but Amaro I'm sure wants Russell plus another top guy plus Cubs to pay all of Hamels salary, which is really stupid. To hell with this is right.

The Cubs are better served waiting a couple months and getting an arm that only costs a second round pick.
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Re: 2014 Chicago Cubs: Let's Go 2015 Cubs!
« Reply #217 on: August 08, 2014, 09:20:24 AM »
Quote from: Fork on August 08, 2014, 09:05:28 AM
Quote from: BH on August 08, 2014, 09:02:35 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 08, 2014, 08:55:02 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 03:04:39 PM
Quote from: thehawk on August 07, 2014, 02:58:53 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 11:29:20 AM
Quote from: thehawk on August 07, 2014, 09:52:24 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 02:26:52 AM
Claimed Cole Hamels. Can they get a deal done without trading core guys? Maybe Almora?

Can they also convince Hamels to come here?  Doesn't look like a trade is likely even if he does (Amarao seems to like his own guys way too much), but its good to see the Cubs making the claim.

If I'm the owner I don't think Ruben would need to worry about this stuff much longer.

You're right, but they aren't likely to launch him in the next 48 hours (when this trade would have to be done).

Maybe they can convince him that Ryno was constantly bashing Hamels before they hired him and wants him to get hurt. Pull out all the stops.

Hamels would seem to have more value to a contending team. I really hope Epstink wouldn't give up any top prospects for him. Let the Giants give up their farm. To hell with this.

Hamels should be really good for at least 5 more years, and doesn't get paid a ton. He'd be great on the Cubs, but Amaro I'm sure wants Russell plus another top guy plus Cubs to pay all of Hamels salary, which is really stupid. To hell with this is right.

The Cubs are better served waiting a couple months and getting an arm that only costs a second round pick.

Lester won't cost a pick because he was traded.

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Re: 2014 Chicago Cubs: Let's Go 2015 Cubs!
« Reply #218 on: August 08, 2014, 09:26:24 AM »
Quote from: BH on August 08, 2014, 09:02:35 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 08, 2014, 08:55:02 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 03:04:39 PM
Quote from: thehawk on August 07, 2014, 02:58:53 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 11:29:20 AM
Quote from: thehawk on August 07, 2014, 09:52:24 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 02:26:52 AM
Claimed Cole Hamels. Can they get a deal done without trading core guys? Maybe Almora?

Can they also convince Hamels to come here?  Doesn't look like a trade is likely even if he does (Amarao seems to like his own guys way too much), but its good to see the Cubs making the claim.

If I'm the owner I don't think Ruben would need to worry about this stuff much longer.

You're right, but they aren't likely to launch him in the next 48 hours (when this trade would have to be done).

Maybe they can convince him that Ryno was constantly bashing Hamels before they hired him and wants him to get hurt. Pull out all the stops.

Hamels would seem to have more value to a contending team. I really hope Epstink wouldn't give up any top prospects for him. Let the Giants give up their farm. To hell with this.

Hamels should be really good for at least 5 more years, and doesn't get paid a ton. He'd be great on the Cubs, but Amaro I'm sure wants Russell plus another top guy plus Cubs to pay all of Hamels salary, which is really stupid. To hell with this is right.

Is this a green fonted post?  I hope so. 
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Re: 2014 Chicago Cubs: Let's Go 2015 Cubs!
« Reply #219 on: August 08, 2014, 09:28:40 AM »
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 08, 2014, 09:26:24 AM
Quote from: BH on August 08, 2014, 09:02:35 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 08, 2014, 08:55:02 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 03:04:39 PM
Quote from: thehawk on August 07, 2014, 02:58:53 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 11:29:20 AM
Quote from: thehawk on August 07, 2014, 09:52:24 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 02:26:52 AM
Claimed Cole Hamels. Can they get a deal done without trading core guys? Maybe Almora?

Can they also convince Hamels to come here?  Doesn't look like a trade is likely even if he does (Amarao seems to like his own guys way too much), but its good to see the Cubs making the claim.

If I'm the owner I don't think Ruben would need to worry about this stuff much longer.

You're right, but they aren't likely to launch him in the next 48 hours (when this trade would have to be done).

Maybe they can convince him that Ryno was constantly bashing Hamels before they hired him and wants him to get hurt. Pull out all the stops.

Hamels would seem to have more value to a contending team. I really hope Epstink wouldn't give up any top prospects for him. Let the Giants give up their farm. To hell with this.

Hamels should be really good for at least 5 more years, and doesn't get paid a ton. He'd be great on the Cubs, but Amaro I'm sure wants Russell plus another top guy plus Cubs to pay all of Hamels salary, which is really stupid. To hell with this is right.

Is this a green fonted post?  I hope so. 

Which part of it seems sarcastic? The part where Hamels will be really good for five years? Or the part where they shouldn't trade anything of value for him?
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Re: 2014 Chicago Cubs: Let's Go 2015 Cubs!
« Reply #220 on: August 08, 2014, 10:26:41 AM »
Quote from: InternetApex on August 08, 2014, 09:28:40 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 08, 2014, 09:26:24 AM
Quote from: BH on August 08, 2014, 09:02:35 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 08, 2014, 08:55:02 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 03:04:39 PM
Quote from: thehawk on August 07, 2014, 02:58:53 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 11:29:20 AM
Quote from: thehawk on August 07, 2014, 09:52:24 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 02:26:52 AM
Claimed Cole Hamels. Can they get a deal done without trading core guys? Maybe Almora?

Can they also convince Hamels to come here?  Doesn't look like a trade is likely even if he does (Amarao seems to like his own guys way too much), but its good to see the Cubs making the claim.

If I'm the owner I don't think Ruben would need to worry about this stuff much longer.

You're right, but they aren't likely to launch him in the next 48 hours (when this trade would have to be done).

Maybe they can convince him that Ryno was constantly bashing Hamels before they hired him and wants him to get hurt. Pull out all the stops.

Hamels would seem to have more value to a contending team. I really hope Epstink wouldn't give up any top prospects for him. Let the Giants give up their farm. To hell with this.

Hamels should be really good for at least 5 more years, and doesn't get paid a ton. He'd be great on the Cubs, but Amaro I'm sure wants Russell plus another top guy plus Cubs to pay all of Hamels salary, which is really stupid. To hell with this is right.

Is this a green fonted post?  I hope so. 

Which part of it seems sarcastic? The part where Hamels will be really good for five years? Or the part where they shouldn't trade anything of value for him?


The part about good for 5 more years, along with the part where it says that he doesn't get paid a ton. 
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Re: 2014 Chicago Cubs: Let's Go 2015 Cubs!
« Reply #221 on: August 08, 2014, 10:45:22 AM »
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 08, 2014, 10:26:41 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 08, 2014, 09:28:40 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 08, 2014, 09:26:24 AM
Quote from: BH on August 08, 2014, 09:02:35 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 08, 2014, 08:55:02 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 03:04:39 PM
Quote from: thehawk on August 07, 2014, 02:58:53 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 11:29:20 AM
Quote from: thehawk on August 07, 2014, 09:52:24 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 02:26:52 AM
Claimed Cole Hamels. Can they get a deal done without trading core guys? Maybe Almora?

Can they also convince Hamels to come here?  Doesn't look like a trade is likely even if he does (Amarao seems to like his own guys way too much), but its good to see the Cubs making the claim.

If I'm the owner I don't think Ruben would need to worry about this stuff much longer.

You're right, but they aren't likely to launch him in the next 48 hours (when this trade would have to be done).

Maybe they can convince him that Ryno was constantly bashing Hamels before they hired him and wants him to get hurt. Pull out all the stops.

Hamels would seem to have more value to a contending team. I really hope Epstink wouldn't give up any top prospects for him. Let the Giants give up their farm. To hell with this.

Hamels should be really good for at least 5 more years, and doesn't get paid a ton. He'd be great on the Cubs, but Amaro I'm sure wants Russell plus another top guy plus Cubs to pay all of Hamels salary, which is really stupid. To hell with this is right.

Is this a green fonted post?  I hope so. 

Which part of it seems sarcastic? The part where Hamels will be really good for five years? Or the part where they shouldn't trade anything of value for him?


The part about good for 5 more years, along with the part where it says that he doesn't get paid a ton. 

He's paid near market value for how good he is. That's doesn't make him overpaid. He's got 4 years left on his deal, with a 5th year buyout.
He's projected at +15 WAR for the next 5 seasons. For 5 years, $109 million or 4 years, $96 million he's worth the risk.
But only if you don't have to give up prospects and have to pay his salary. No green font.

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Re: 2014 Chicago Cubs: Let's Go 2015 Cubs!
« Reply #222 on: August 08, 2014, 11:15:06 AM »
Quote from: BH on August 08, 2014, 10:45:22 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 08, 2014, 10:26:41 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 08, 2014, 09:28:40 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 08, 2014, 09:26:24 AM
Quote from: BH on August 08, 2014, 09:02:35 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 08, 2014, 08:55:02 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 03:04:39 PM
Quote from: thehawk on August 07, 2014, 02:58:53 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 11:29:20 AM
Quote from: thehawk on August 07, 2014, 09:52:24 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 02:26:52 AM
Claimed Cole Hamels. Can they get a deal done without trading core guys? Maybe Almora?

Can they also convince Hamels to come here?  Doesn't look like a trade is likely even if he does (Amarao seems to like his own guys way too much), but its good to see the Cubs making the claim.

If I'm the owner I don't think Ruben would need to worry about this stuff much longer.

You're right, but they aren't likely to launch him in the next 48 hours (when this trade would have to be done).

Maybe they can convince him that Ryno was constantly bashing Hamels before they hired him and wants him to get hurt. Pull out all the stops.

Hamels would seem to have more value to a contending team. I really hope Epstink wouldn't give up any top prospects for him. Let the Giants give up their farm. To hell with this.

Hamels should be really good for at least 5 more years, and doesn't get paid a ton. He'd be great on the Cubs, but Amaro I'm sure wants Russell plus another top guy plus Cubs to pay all of Hamels salary, which is really stupid. To hell with this is right.

Is this a green fonted post?  I hope so. 

Which part of it seems sarcastic? The part where Hamels will be really good for five years? Or the part where they shouldn't trade anything of value for him?


The part about good for 5 more years, along with the part where it says that he doesn't get paid a ton. 

He's paid near market value for how good he is. That's doesn't make him overpaid. He's got 4 years left on his deal, with a 5th year buyout.
He's projected at +15 WAR for the next 5 seasons. For 5 years, $109 million or 4 years, $96 million he's worth the risk.
But only if you don't have to give up prospects and have to pay his salary. No green font.

Yeah, I kind of wanted the deal but I also think that Ruben Amaro being a complete moron would help the Cubs in any potential trade. Like I wouldn't be shocked if they could get him without giving up Russell.

But I think the Phillies will listen again on Hamels this winter. They don't really have a choice. Amaro might be fired by then.

Anyway it would have been cool for the reason of getting Hamels at a value over what someone of his caliber would cost on an open market plus eliminating him choosing another situation over the Cubs, as free agents are allowed to do.

That said, I don't think the Cubs will be a tough sell to top FA pitchers this winter. Everything is pretty clearly coming into focus.

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Re: 2014 Chicago Cubs: Let's Go 2015 Cubs!
« Reply #223 on: August 08, 2014, 11:50:51 AM »
Quote from: Slaky on August 08, 2014, 11:15:06 AM
Quote from: BH on August 08, 2014, 10:45:22 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 08, 2014, 10:26:41 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 08, 2014, 09:28:40 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 08, 2014, 09:26:24 AM
Quote from: BH on August 08, 2014, 09:02:35 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 08, 2014, 08:55:02 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 03:04:39 PM
Quote from: thehawk on August 07, 2014, 02:58:53 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 11:29:20 AM
Quote from: thehawk on August 07, 2014, 09:52:24 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2014, 02:26:52 AM
Claimed Cole Hamels. Can they get a deal done without trading core guys? Maybe Almora?

Can they also convince Hamels to come here?  Doesn't look like a trade is likely even if he does (Amarao seems to like his own guys way too much), but its good to see the Cubs making the claim.

If I'm the owner I don't think Ruben would need to worry about this stuff much longer.

You're right, but they aren't likely to launch him in the next 48 hours (when this trade would have to be done).

Maybe they can convince him that Ryno was constantly bashing Hamels before they hired him and wants him to get hurt. Pull out all the stops.

Hamels would seem to have more value to a contending team. I really hope Epstink wouldn't give up any top prospects for him. Let the Giants give up their farm. To hell with this.

Hamels should be really good for at least 5 more years, and doesn't get paid a ton. He'd be great on the Cubs, but Amaro I'm sure wants Russell plus another top guy plus Cubs to pay all of Hamels salary, which is really stupid. To hell with this is right.

Is this a green fonted post?  I hope so. 

Which part of it seems sarcastic? The part where Hamels will be really good for five years? Or the part where they shouldn't trade anything of value for him?


The part about good for 5 more years, along with the part where it says that he doesn't get paid a ton. 

He's paid near market value for how good he is. That's doesn't make him overpaid. He's got 4 years left on his deal, with a 5th year buyout.
He's projected at +15 WAR for the next 5 seasons. For 5 years, $109 million or 4 years, $96 million he's worth the risk.
But only if you don't have to give up prospects and have to pay his salary. No green font.

Yeah, I kind of wanted the deal but I also think that Ruben Amaro being a complete moron would help the Cubs in any potential trade. Like I wouldn't be shocked if they could get him without giving up Russell.

But I think the Phillies will listen again on Hamels this winter. They don't really have a choice. Amaro might be fired by then.

Anyway it would have been cool for the reason of getting Hamels at a value over what someone of his caliber would cost on an open market plus eliminating him choosing another situation over the Cubs, as free agents are allowed to do.

That said, I don't think the Cubs will be a tough sell to top FA pitchers this winter. Everything is pretty clearly coming into focus.

Yeah. The Cubs are going to have a shit ton of money to offer, and any agent with half a brain could tell their players that the Cubs were going to  be a great place to win and make money if they were too stupid to figure it out for themselves. Javy and Alcantara and Rizzo and Castro and at least a month of Soler dongs should be persuasive.

I kinda wonder if Tanaka would have decided differently if he was a FA this year instead of last year.  Last offseason it was harder to see it all coming together. I mean Eli nearly offed himself.
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Re: 2014 Chicago Cubs: Let's Go 2015 Cubs!
« Reply #224 on: August 08, 2014, 01:18:57 PM »
Jacob Turner deal is done.  Turner for Tyler Bremer and Jose Arias, who are both pretty meh.  If you're a reliever in the low minors you're probably not going to make it.

Another great buy-low move.  Here's hoping Bosio can work his apparent magic.  Turner's still only 23.
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