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Re: Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread
« Reply #540 on: November 12, 2013, 11:10:58 AM »
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 12, 2013, 11:06:58 AM
QuoteBaez, Bryant and Soler will have to work out where to play, but the trio gives the Cubs a unique collection of 80-power righthanded bats that other organizations envy.

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BA's Cubs Top Ten:
1. Baez
2. Bryant
3. Edwards
4. Almora
5. Soler
6. Johnson
7. Alcantara
8. Candelario
9. Vogelbach
10. Vizcaino

QuoteBest Hitter for Average: Almora
Best Power Hitter: Baez
Best Strike-Zone Discipline: Candelario
Fastest Baserunner: Hannemann
Best Athlete: Hannemann
Best Fastball: Edwards
Best Curveball: Edwards

Best Slider: Johnson
Best Changeup: Hendricks
Best Control: Hendricks
Best Defensive Catcher: Remillard
Best Defensive Infielder: Villanueva
Best Infield Arm: Bryant
Best Defensive Outfielder: Almora
Best Outfield Arm: Soler

Not a single mention of Olt anywhere, not even in the top 15 players 25 and under (Olt is 25).

I don't know if Edwards possessing the best fastball AND curveball is because the dude is awesome or because the rest of the pitching talent in the system is so mediocre, but ... swoon.

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Re: Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread
« Reply #541 on: November 12, 2013, 11:31:26 AM »
Quote from: ChuckD on November 12, 2013, 11:10:58 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 12, 2013, 11:06:58 AM
QuoteBaez, Bryant and Soler will have to work out where to play, but the trio gives the Cubs a unique collection of 80-power righthanded bats that other organizations envy.

8====D ~~~

BA's Cubs Top Ten:
1. Baez
2. Bryant
3. Edwards
4. Almora
5. Soler
6. Johnson
7. Alcantara
8. Candelario
9. Vogelbach
10. Vizcaino

QuoteBest Hitter for Average: Almora
Best Power Hitter: Baez
Best Strike-Zone Discipline: Candelario
Fastest Baserunner: Hannemann
Best Athlete: Hannemann
Best Fastball: Edwards
Best Curveball: Edwards

Best Slider: Johnson
Best Changeup: Hendricks
Best Control: Hendricks
Best Defensive Catcher: Remillard
Best Defensive Infielder: Villanueva
Best Infield Arm: Bryant
Best Defensive Outfielder: Almora
Best Outfield Arm: Soler

Not a single mention of Olt anywhere, not even in the top 15 players 25 and under (Olt is 25).

I don't know if Edwards possessing the best fastball AND curveball is because the dude is awesome or because the rest of the pitching talent in the system is so mediocre, but ... swoon.

Yeah, Edwards was the biggest surprise for me - just how highly ranked he is. 
Considering that Almora and Soler are pretty elite prospects, for him to be ranked ABOVE those guys is just huge. 

Add in Rizzo, Castro and maybe Olt (AND VITTERS!) and the haul coming from Samardzija and this team is gonna be awesome in 2020.
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Re: Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread
« Reply #542 on: November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM »

Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.
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Re: Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread
« Reply #543 on: November 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM »
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM

Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.

Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.
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Re: Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread
« Reply #544 on: November 12, 2013, 12:17:33 PM »
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM

Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.

Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.

Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.
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Re: Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread
« Reply #545 on: November 12, 2013, 12:49:41 PM »
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM

Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.

Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.

Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.

Or if Rizzo continues to meh.

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Re: Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread
« Reply #546 on: November 12, 2013, 12:57:58 PM »
Quote from: BH on November 12, 2013, 12:49:41 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM

Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.

Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.

Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.

Or if Rizzo continues to meh.

Except Rizzo wasn't meh

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Re: Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread
« Reply #547 on: November 12, 2013, 01:00:24 PM »
Quote from: BH on November 12, 2013, 12:49:41 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM

Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.

Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.

Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.

Or if Rizzo continues to meh.

Vogelbach is significantly less than good defensively. If Rizzo never turns into an elite hitter, he's still a better than average defensive one.
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Re: Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread
« Reply #548 on: November 12, 2013, 01:02:59 PM »
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 01:00:24 PM
Quote from: BH on November 12, 2013, 12:49:41 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM

Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.

Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.

Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.

Or if Rizzo continues to meh.

Vogelbach is significantly less than good defensively. If Rizzo never turns into an elite hitter, he's still a better than average defensive one.

Does that mean he brings his bat out to the field with him? Reggie Jackson tried that I think.
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Re: Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread
« Reply #549 on: November 12, 2013, 01:22:11 PM »
Quote from: Slaky on November 12, 2013, 12:57:58 PM
Quote from: BH on November 12, 2013, 12:49:41 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM

Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.

Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.

Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.

Or if Rizzo continues to meh.

Except Rizzo wasn't meh

I'll bite: what was he, then?

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Re: Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread
« Reply #550 on: November 12, 2013, 01:22:41 PM »
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 01:00:24 PM
Quote from: BH on November 12, 2013, 12:49:41 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM

Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.

Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.

Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.

Or if Rizzo continues to meh.

Vogelbach is significantly less than good defensively. If Rizzo never turns into an elite hitter, he's still a better than average defensive one.

If he never turns into an elite hitter, that's going to be disappointing, no matter how good his glove is at first base.
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Re: Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread
« Reply #551 on: November 12, 2013, 01:30:30 PM »
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 01:22:41 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 01:00:24 PM
Quote from: BH on November 12, 2013, 12:49:41 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM

Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.

Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.

Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.

Or if Rizzo continues to meh.

Vogelbach is significantly less than good defensively. If Rizzo never turns into an elite hitter, he's still a better than average defensive one.

If he never turns into an elite hitter, that's going to be disappointing, no matter how good his glove is at first base.

I agree. I also think he's going to improve as a hitter, especially as he starts getting more some protection in the lineup.
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Re: Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread
« Reply #552 on: November 12, 2013, 01:40:19 PM »
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 01:30:30 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 01:22:41 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 01:00:24 PM
Quote from: BH on November 12, 2013, 12:49:41 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM

Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.

Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.

Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.

Or if Rizzo continues to meh.

Vogelbach is significantly less than good defensively. If Rizzo never turns into an elite hitter, he's still a better than average defensive one.

If he never turns into an elite hitter, that's going to be disappointing, no matter how good his glove is at first base.

I agree. I also think he's going to improve as a hitter, especially as he starts getting more some protection in the lineup.

Lineup protection: Not a real thing.

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Re: Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread
« Reply #553 on: November 12, 2013, 01:49:48 PM »
Quote from: Eli on November 12, 2013, 01:40:19 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 01:30:30 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 01:22:41 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 01:00:24 PM
Quote from: BH on November 12, 2013, 12:49:41 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM

Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.

Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.

Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.

Or if Rizzo continues to meh.

Vogelbach is significantly less than good defensively. If Rizzo never turns into an elite hitter, he's still a better than average defensive one.

If he never turns into an elite hitter, that's going to be disappointing, no matter how good his glove is at first base.

I agree. I also think he's going to improve as a hitter, especially as he starts getting more some protection in the lineup.

Lineup protection: Not a real thing.

Just because Fangraphs says it doesn't make it gospel. If San Francisco had a halfway decent hitter behind Barriod he wouldn't have walked 872 times in 5 years.
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Re: Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread
« Reply #554 on: November 12, 2013, 01:55:00 PM »
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 01:49:48 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 12, 2013, 01:40:19 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 01:30:30 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 01:22:41 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 01:00:24 PM
Quote from: BH on November 12, 2013, 12:49:41 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM

Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.

Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.

Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.

Or if Rizzo continues to meh.

Vogelbach is significantly less than good defensively. If Rizzo never turns into an elite hitter, he's still a better than average defensive one.

If he never turns into an elite hitter, that's going to be disappointing, no matter how good his glove is at first base.

I agree. I also think he's going to improve as a hitter, especially as he starts getting more some protection in the lineup.

Lineup protection: Not a real thing.

Just because Fangraphs says it doesn't make it gospel. If San Francisco had a halfway decent hitter behind Barriod he wouldn't have walked 872 times in 5 years.

That author seems satisfied with his conclusion after observing one of the best offensive players in the past 20 years in his best season and finding that he mashed the fuck out of the ball no matter where he was in the lineup. I think we need more information.
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