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Re: Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread
« Reply #1095 on: June 06, 2014, 09:16:04 AM »
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Here's a statsy breakdown on some of the available options for the Cubs at 4, makes a good case for Schwarber.

Interesting. I'm fine with any of those guys. I like Pentecost, but mostly because he's a catcher and they sort of need one. Conforto still seems to be the most likely option, based on Callis and Law's final mocks (those two guys historically have been well-connected to sources).

Intrepid Reader--Beefcastle:  Que?

There's a 51% chance that Welington Castillo sucks. 

There isn't a lot in the minors at the position either. Maybe Will Remillard is something, but they could definitely use more.
I thought I heard that the Cubs had more prospects than positions.

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I'm simply stating there are more than one prospect per position in the system, everywhere but catcher. Which is where a good team wants to be, and the Cubs never are.


We all know what you meant. We were just giving you shit.

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Re: Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread
« Reply #1096 on: June 06, 2014, 09:40:03 AM »
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 09:16:04 AM
Quote from: Fork on June 06, 2014, 09:08:24 AM
Quote from: Shooter on June 05, 2014, 08:53:36 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 05, 2014, 04:30:38 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2014, 04:27:12 PM
Quote from: PANK! on June 05, 2014, 04:21:51 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 05, 2014, 03:53:17 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2014, 01:41:30 PM
Here's a statsy breakdown on some of the available options for the Cubs at 4, makes a good case for Schwarber.

Interesting. I'm fine with any of those guys. I like Pentecost, but mostly because he's a catcher and they sort of need one. Conforto still seems to be the most likely option, based on Callis and Law's final mocks (those two guys historically have been well-connected to sources).

Intrepid Reader--Beefcastle:  Que?

There's a 51% chance that Welington Castillo sucks. 

There isn't a lot in the minors at the position either. Maybe Will Remillard is something, but they could definitely use more.
I thought I heard that the Cubs had more prospects than positions.

Quote from: me

I'm simply stating there are more than one prospect per position in the system, everywhere but catcher. Which is where a good team wants to be, and the Cubs never are.


We all know what you meant. We were just giving you shit.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good meme.

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Re: Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread
« Reply #1097 on: June 06, 2014, 09:48:55 AM »
I guess this bit from Keith Law is maybe a bit concerning (though he ends on a positive note):

QuoteSchwarber is listed at 6-feet, 240 pounds; only three players 6 feet or shorter and 240 pounds or more have ever played the outfield in the majors (Marlon Byrd, Dayan Viciedo and Byron Gettis), so the historical comps point to Schwarber moving to first base unless he can drop some weight. (The list isn't much better if you drop the weight bar to 230, adding four players, one of whom was nicknamed "Fats.") The Cubs did take the draft's best college senior at No. 45 in Jake Stinnett of Maryland, and I imagine both players will sign under-slot deals, giving the Cubs a dividend to use on Friday on some top prep players who are still on the board. So the net result of the Schwarber pick could end up a big positive.

Maybe the Cubs know that the DH is coming to the National League?

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Re: Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread
« Reply #1098 on: June 06, 2014, 10:22:12 AM »
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 09:48:55 AM
Maybe the Cubs know that the DH is coming to the National League?

I thought that was what Vogelbach is for.
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Re: Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread
« Reply #1099 on: June 06, 2014, 11:12:25 AM »
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 10:22:12 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 09:48:55 AM
Maybe the Cubs know that the DH is coming to the National League?

I thought that was what Vogelbach is for.

Fat guys are the new market inefficiency.

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Re: Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread
« Reply #1100 on: June 06, 2014, 11:35:18 AM »
Quote from: BH on June 06, 2014, 11:12:25 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 10:22:12 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 09:48:55 AM
Maybe the Cubs know that the DH is coming to the National League?

I thought that was what Vogelbach is for.

Fat guys are the new market inefficiency.

I know everyone is saying he can't, but I'm still holding up hope that this guy can play catcher. 
I can't believe I even know these people. I'm ashamed of my internet life.

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Re: Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread
« Reply #1101 on: June 06, 2014, 11:40:54 AM »
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 11:35:18 AM
Quote from: BH on June 06, 2014, 11:12:25 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 10:22:12 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 09:48:55 AM
Maybe the Cubs know that the DH is coming to the National League?

I thought that was what Vogelbach is for.

Fat guys are the new market inefficiency.

I know everyone is saying he can't, but I'm still holding up hope that this guy can play catcher. 

Last year everyone said Bryant would never stick at 3b, so you never know. He still might not, but he's not a butcher at 3rd.
I've read tweets that said Schwarber won't be able to play catcher, won't be able to play LF.
It's all a guessing game, if he hits the cover off the ball, the Cubs will find a place to play him.
Or trade him to someone who needs a first baseman/DH.

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Re: Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread
« Reply #1102 on: June 06, 2014, 11:47:57 AM »
Quote from: BH on June 06, 2014, 11:12:25 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 10:22:12 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 09:48:55 AM
Maybe the Cubs know that the DH is coming to the National League?

I thought that was what Vogelbach is for.

Fat guys are the new market inefficiency.

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Re: Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread
« Reply #1103 on: June 06, 2014, 11:54:26 AM »
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 11:35:18 AM
Quote from: BH on June 06, 2014, 11:12:25 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 10:22:12 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 09:48:55 AM
Maybe the Cubs know that the DH is coming to the National League?

I thought that was what Vogelbach is for.

Fat guys are the new market inefficiency.

I know everyone is saying he can't, but I'm still holding up hope that this guy can play catcher. 

That sounds like the kind of thing I would do. Usually leads to some quality asshurt. Good luck.
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Re: Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread
« Reply #1104 on: June 06, 2014, 12:16:25 PM »
Quote from: InternetApex on June 06, 2014, 11:54:26 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 11:35:18 AM
Quote from: BH on June 06, 2014, 11:12:25 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 10:22:12 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 09:48:55 AM
Maybe the Cubs know that the DH is coming to the National League?

I thought that was what Vogelbach is for.

Fat guys are the new market inefficiency.

I know everyone is saying he can't, but I'm still holding up hope that this guy can play catcher. 

That sounds like the kind of thing I would do. Usually leads to some quality asshurt. Good luck.

Considering they just drafted a catcher in the 3rd round, I'm guessing this "Schwarber at Catcher" experiment just ended.
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Re: Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread
« Reply #1105 on: June 06, 2014, 01:32:59 PM »
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 12:16:25 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 06, 2014, 11:54:26 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 11:35:18 AM
Quote from: BH on June 06, 2014, 11:12:25 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 10:22:12 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 09:48:55 AM
Maybe the Cubs know that the DH is coming to the National League?

I thought that was what Vogelbach is for.

Fat guys are the new market inefficiency.

I know everyone is saying he can't, but I'm still holding up hope that this guy can play catcher. 

That sounds like the kind of thing I would do. Usually leads to some quality asshurt. Good luck.

Considering they just drafted a catcher in the 3rd round, I'm guessing this "Schwarber at Catcher" experiment just ended.

No lock that Zagunis stays at catcher either though. Keep your dream alive!

QuoteZagunis' father, a high school assistant coach, moved him behind the plate in high school in south Jersey, and he is still trying to prove to scouts that he can be an everyday backstop. He started 28 of 62 games behind the plate for Virginia Tech's 2013 regional team, while also playing the corner outfield spots. He has been the regular catcher this year as well as the team's leading hitter and No. 2 basestealer. A successful high school quarterback, Zagunis shows more athleticism than the average college catcher, with plus speed to go with his powerful 6-foot, 212-pound frame. He's not afraid to take a walk and has a line-drive approach that should allow him to hit for average. His slugging percentage has declined by 100 points this season with less protection in the lineup, with just two homers after 14 his first two seasons. Teams still recognize his overall offensive track record, however, and see an impressive power/speed combination. Zagunis' receiving and defense remain below-average. He needs reps receiving and blocking, and his above-average arm strength hasn't translated to throwing out basestealers; he has thrown out less than 20 percent for his career.

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Re: Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread
« Reply #1106 on: June 06, 2014, 01:36:57 PM »
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 01:32:59 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 12:16:25 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 06, 2014, 11:54:26 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 11:35:18 AM
Quote from: BH on June 06, 2014, 11:12:25 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 10:22:12 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 09:48:55 AM
Maybe the Cubs know that the DH is coming to the National League?

I thought that was what Vogelbach is for.

Fat guys are the new market inefficiency.

I know everyone is saying he can't, but I'm still holding up hope that this guy can play catcher. 

That sounds like the kind of thing I would do. Usually leads to some quality asshurt. Good luck.

Considering they just drafted a catcher in the 3rd round, I'm guessing this "Schwarber at Catcher" experiment just ended.

No lock that Zagunis stays at catcher either though. Keep your dream alive!

QuoteZagunis' father, a high school assistant coach, moved him behind the plate in high school in south Jersey, and he is still trying to prove to scouts that he can be an everyday backstop. He started 28 of 62 games behind the plate for Virginia Tech's 2013 regional team, while also playing the corner outfield spots. He has been the regular catcher this year as well as the team's leading hitter and No. 2 basestealer. A successful high school quarterback, Zagunis shows more athleticism than the average college catcher, with plus speed to go with his powerful 6-foot, 212-pound frame. He's not afraid to take a walk and has a line-drive approach that should allow him to hit for average. His slugging percentage has declined by 100 points this season with less protection in the lineup, with just two homers after 14 his first two seasons. Teams still recognize his overall offensive track record, however, and see an impressive power/speed combination. Zagunis' receiving and defense remain below-average. He needs reps receiving and blocking, and his above-average arm strength hasn't translated to throwing out basestealers; he has thrown out less than 20 percent for his career.

It's not like there isn't precedent.

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Re: Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread
« Reply #1107 on: June 06, 2014, 01:48:26 PM »
Even catchers aren't good catchers.

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Re: Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread
« Reply #1108 on: June 06, 2014, 01:53:40 PM »
Quote from: Slaky on June 06, 2014, 01:48:26 PM
Even catchers aren't good catchers.

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Re: Cubs' Prospects FUTUREBONER thread
« Reply #1109 on: June 06, 2014, 02:06:18 PM »
Quote from: Yeti on June 06, 2014, 09:40:03 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 09:16:04 AM
Quote from: Fork on June 06, 2014, 09:08:24 AM
Quote from: Shooter on June 05, 2014, 08:53:36 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 05, 2014, 04:30:38 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2014, 04:27:12 PM
Quote from: PANK! on June 05, 2014, 04:21:51 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 05, 2014, 03:53:17 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2014, 01:41:30 PM
Here's a statsy breakdown on some of the available options for the Cubs at 4, makes a good case for Schwarber.

Interesting. I'm fine with any of those guys. I like Pentecost, but mostly because he's a catcher and they sort of need one. Conforto still seems to be the most likely option, based on Callis and Law's final mocks (those two guys historically have been well-connected to sources).

Intrepid Reader--Beefcastle:  Que?

There's a 51% chance that Welington Castillo sucks. 

There isn't a lot in the minors at the position either. Maybe Will Remillard is something, but they could definitely use more.
I thought I heard that the Cubs had more prospects than positions.

Quote from: me

I'm simply stating there are more than one prospect per position in the system, everywhere but catcher. Which is where a good team wants to be, and the Cubs never are.


We all know what you meant. We were just giving you shit.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good meme.

I need to check the meme datase to see where this one fits in.
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