Let's go.
Jake and Lester in games 1 and 2.
Go Mets on Thursday. Win in 17 or so. Then party hearty into the night, take the red eye back to NY after having to fly out to LA for one game, while the tan and rested Cubs take their 90 minute flight into LGA, slide off the tarmac and into the clubhouse.
Cubs in Four.
NLCS
Saturday (10-17): Arrieta (four days rest)
Sunday (10-18): Lester (8 days rest)
Tuesday (10-20): Hendricks/Hammel/Haren
Wednesday (10-21): Arrieta (three days rest)
Thursday (10-22): Lester (three days rest)
Saturday (10-24): Hendricks Hammel/Haren
Sunday (10-25): Arrieta (three days rest)
Arrieta 3 starts, Lester 2, Hammel/Hendricks/Haren 2
World Series
Tuesday (10-27): Lester (four days rest)
Wednesday (10-28): Hendricks/Hammel/Haren
Friday (10-30): Arrieta (four days rest)
Saturday (10-31): Lester (three days rest)
Sunday (11-1): Hendricks/Hammel/Haren
Tuesday (11-3): Arrieta (three days rest)
Wednesday (11-4): Lester (three days rest)
Arrieta 2 starts, Lester 3, Hendricks/Hammel/Haren 2
That's 6 starts for Jake, 6 for Lester, and 7 for the H-gang.
Winning the LCS in 6 or fewer is critical:
NLCS
Saturday (10-17): Arrieta (four days rest)
Sunday (10-18): Lester (8 days rest)
Tuesday (10-20): Hendricks/Hammel/Haren
Wednesday (10-21): Arrieta (three days rest)
Thursday (10-22): Lester (three days rest)
Saturday (10-24): Hendricks Hammel/Haren
Arrieta 2 starts, Lester 2, Hammel/Hendricks/Haren 2
World Series
Tuesday (10-27): Arrieta (five days rest)
Wednesday (10-28): Lester (five days rest)
Friday (10-30): Hendricks/Hammel/Haren
Saturday (10-31): Arrieta (three days rest)
Sunday (11-1): Lester (three days rest)
Tuesday (11-3): Hendricks/Hammel/Haren
Wednesday (11-4): Arriera (three days rest)
Arrieta 3 starts, Lester 2, Hendricks/Hammel/Haren 2
That's 5 starts for Jake, 4 for Lester, and 4 for the H-gang.
Quote from: Brownie on October 14, 2015, 12:39:09 AM
NLCS
Saturday (10-17): Arrieta (four days rest)
For certain values of "four."
I think Lester's going to get the call in Game 1 as he will not have pitched in 8 days as it is and I also suppose, conversely, that Arrieta could use a 5th day at this juncture.
Quote from: PANK! on October 14, 2015, 06:13:27 AM
I think Lester's going to get the call in Game 1 as he will not have pitched in 8 days as it is and I also suppose, conversely, that Arrieta could use a 5th day at this juncture.
Fine with it.
Jesus Christ why do I feel like the Cubs can steamroll either of these fucko teams?
To put it another way: Is Joe Maddon going to be outmanaged by TERRY COLLINS? Or Don Mattingly?
Quote from: Slaky on October 14, 2015, 07:40:31 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 14, 2015, 06:13:27 AM
I think Lester's going to get the call in Game 1 as he will not have pitched in 8 days as it is and I also suppose, conversely, that Arrieta could use a 5th day at this juncture.
Fine with it.
Jesus Christ why do I feel like the Cubs can steamroll either of these fucko teams?
To put it another way: Is Joe Maddon going to be outmanaged by TERRY COLLINS? Or Don Mattingly?
Not to mention, Grienke has to go tomorrow night, so the Cubs wouldn't see him until game 3 at the earliest.
And who the fuck knows what hijinks Matt Harvey has in store if they get in?
Is it too much to ask for a sweep? I'd really like low-stress NLCS.
Quote from: Brownie on October 14, 2015, 12:42:37 AM
Winning the LCS in 6 or fewer is critical:
NLCS
Saturday (10-17): Arrieta (four days rest)
Sunday (10-18): Lester (8 days rest)
Tuesday (10-20): Hendricks/Hammel/Haren
Wednesday (10-21): Arrieta (three days rest)
Thursday (10-22): Lester (three days rest)
Saturday (10-24): Hendricks Hammel/Haren
Arrieta 2 starts, Lester 2, Hammel/Hendricks/Haren 2
World Series
Tuesday (10-27): Arrieta (five days rest)
Wednesday (10-28): Lester (five days rest)
Friday (10-30): Hendricks/Hammel/Haren
Saturday (10-31): Arrieta (three days rest)
Sunday (11-1): Lester (three days rest)
Tuesday (11-3): Hendricks/Hammel/Haren
Wednesday (11-4): Arriera (three days rest)
Arrieta 3 starts, Lester 2, Hendricks/Hammel/Haren 2
That's 5 starts for Jake, 4 for Lester, and 4 for the H-gang.
They know the numbers on guys with three days' rest. You might see it once, but since it has a cumulative effect I'd be shocked if we see it multiple times (for multiple guys) like this.
Quote from: Canadouche on October 14, 2015, 08:37:59 AM
Is it too much to ask for a sweep? I'd really like low-stress NLCS.
(http://csrstories.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/greed.jpg)
So why the fuck don't the Cubs get home field advantage for the rest of the playoffs, then?
EDIT: okay, I know why they wouldn't get HFA in the World Serious (Selig, you cunt), but why not for the NLCS, at least?
Quote from: Tonker on October 14, 2015, 09:50:41 AM
So why the fuck don't the Cubs get home field advantage for the rest of the playoffs, then?
Not sure but I like how it worked up until now. I was glad the coin flip was in Pittsburgh and glad this series started in St. Louis. I think these last 2 games at Wrigley have gotten everyone "over the hump" now, as far as the whole pressure of playing at Wrigley thing goes but until the Cubs came back home swinging their dicks like they did--and then proceeded to continue to do Tuesday--there was that concern that having to do something right off the bat in front of the home folks could hinder them.
Since I'm no longer concerned about the "Wrigley Field" effect I'm with you but I also don't think it matters.
Quote from: Tonker on October 14, 2015, 09:50:41 AM
So why the fuck don't the Cubs get home field advantage for the rest of the playoffs, then?
EDIT: okay, I know why they wouldn't get HFA in the World Serious (Selig, you cunt), but why not for the NLCS, at least>
Because the Mets and Dodgers won their shitty divisions, which is very important, because reasons.
Quote from: PANK! on October 14, 2015, 09:56:50 AM
Quote from: Tonker on October 14, 2015, 09:50:41 AM
So why the fuck don't the Cubs get home field advantage for the rest of the playoffs, then?
Not sure but I like how it worked up until now. I was glad the coin flip was in Pittsburgh and glad this series started in St. Louis. I think these last 2 games at Wrigley have gotten everyone "over the hump" now, as far as the whole pressure of playing at Wrigley thing goes but until the Cubs came back home swinging their dicks like they did--and then proceeded to continue to do Tuesday--there was that concern that having to do something right off the bat in front of the home folks could hinder them.
Since I'm no longer concerned about the "Wrigley Field" effect I'm with you but I also don't think it matters.
They won't face Greinke until the 3rd game, so as long as they beat whoever LA goes with in the non-Kershaw game (Anderson?), they come back to Chicago with home-field advantage.
Game 1 - Sat, Oct 17 - Anderson
Game 2 - Sun, Oct 18 - Kershaw
Game 3 - Tue, Oct 20 - Greinke
Game 4 - Wed, Oct 21 - Wood? Bullpen?
Game 5 - Thu, Oct 22 - Anderson or Kershaw on short rest.
Game 6 - Sat, Oct 24 - Kershaw or Greinke on short rest.
Game 7 - Sun, Oct 25 - Greinke or ???
Quote from: PANK! on October 14, 2015, 09:56:50 AM
Quote from: Tonker on October 14, 2015, 09:50:41 AM
So why the fuck don't the Cubs get home field advantage for the rest of the playoffs, then?
Not sure but I like how it worked up until now. I was glad the coin flip was in Pittsburgh and glad this series started in St. Louis. I think these last 2 games at Wrigley have gotten everyone "over the hump" now, as far as the whole pressure of playing at Wrigley thing goes but until the Cubs came back home swinging their dicks like they did--and then proceeded to continue to do Tuesday--there was that concern that having to do something right off the bat in front of the home folks could hinder them.
Since I'm no longer concerned about the "Wrigley Field" effect I'm with you but I also don't think it matters.
Besides. The Cubs are more likely to clinch a WS spot at home the way things have worked out.
Here's my stab at rotations taking short rest out of the equation. I'm wary of doing that with Arrieta given that he's already 70 some innings over his previous career high in IP. I'm also game for dropping Haren in place of Hammel for one or more of his starts.
NLCS
Saturday (10-17): Lester (7 days rest)
Sunday (10-18): Arrieta (6 days rest)
Tuesday (10-20): Hendricks (9 days rest)
Wednesday (10-21): Hammel (7 days rest)
Thursday (10-22): Lester (4 days rest)
Saturday (10-24): Arrieta (5 days rest)
Sunday (10-25): Hendricks (4 days rest)
Arrieta 2 starts, Lester 2, Hammel/Hendricks/Haren 3
World Series
Tuesday (10-27): Lester (4 days rest)
Wednesday (10-28): Hammel (6 days rest)
Friday (10-30): Arrieta (5 days rest)
Saturday (10-31): Hendricks (5 days rest)
Sunday (11-1): Lester (4 days rest)
Tuesday (11-3): Hammel (5 days rest)
Wednesday (11-4): Arrieta (4 days rest)
Arrieta 2 starts, Lester 2, Hendricks/Hammel/Haren 3
I'd like to kick the Mets ass next round.
If it's the Dodgers, so be it, but give me the Mets.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 14, 2015, 10:13:01 AM
I'd like to kick the Mets ass next round.
If it's the Dodgers, so be it, but give me the Mets.
Agreed. So far, this post season has been a childhood dream come true.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 14, 2015, 10:13:01 AM
I'd like to kick the Mets ass next round.
If it's the Dodgers, so be it, but give me the Mets.
Not least because it's going to be hard for them to shake the memory of the 7-0 regular season arse-raping.
Quote from: Tonker on October 14, 2015, 10:17:39 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 14, 2015, 10:13:01 AM
I'd like to kick the Mets ass next round.
If it's the Dodgers, so be it, but give me the Mets.
Not least because it's going to be hard for them to shake the memory of the 7-0 regular season arse-raping.
Everyone keeps saying "this isn't the same Mets team that lost all of those games!" because they have Cespedes and some actual offensive players now but as I pointed out on Twitter the last Cubs-Mets game featured Herrera and Baxter in the starting lineup. Schwarber was in Iowa, Javy was on the DL, and Kris was in the middle of his awful July. The Mets are a better team than they were then, sure, and their pitching depth makes them dangerous, but there's a reason these Cubs have the best record in baseball since the break, and not them.
Quote from: R-V on October 14, 2015, 10:12:46 AM
Here's my stab at rotations taking short rest out of the equation. I'm wary of doing that with Arrieta given that he's already 70 some innings over his previous career high in IP. I'm also game for dropping Haren in place of Hammel for one or more of his starts.
NLCS
Saturday (10-17): Lester (7 days rest)
Sunday (10-18): Arrieta (6 days rest)
Tuesday (10-20): Hendricks (9 days rest)
Wednesday (10-21): Hammel (7 days rest)
Thursday (10-22): Lester (4 days rest)
Saturday (10-24): Arrieta (5 days rest)
Sunday (10-25): Hendricks (4 days rest)
Arrieta 2 starts, Lester 2, Hammel/Hendricks/Haren 3
World Series
Tuesday (10-27): Lester (4 days rest)
Wednesday (10-28): Hammel (6 days rest)
Friday (10-30): Arrieta (5 days rest)
Saturday (10-31): Hendricks (5 days rest)
Sunday (11-1): Lester (4 days rest)
Tuesday (11-3): Hammel (5 days rest)
Wednesday (11-4): Arrieta (4 days rest)
Arrieta 2 starts, Lester 2, Hendricks/Hammel/Haren 3
I wonder if it'll depend on their opponent. The Dodgers have been really good against left-handed pitching, so maybe that gets factored in when deciding who starts Game 1.
I'd give my right arm to be in Chicago, or at least to have somebody over here to talk to about it, but as I don't, you guys are going to bear the brunt.
I've just been watching the highlights from last night, again, and you know what? If the Cubs don't win another game, I'm going to look back on 2015 as an enormous success and a hell of a lot of fun. I'm genuinely finding it hard to put into words how fucking happy this team makes me because every time I try, I get all fucking emotional. I'm not even kidding.
Quote from: Tonker on October 14, 2015, 10:54:03 AM
I'd give my right arm to be in Chicago, or at least to have somebody over here to talk to about it, but as I don't, you guys are going to bear the brunt.
I've just been watching the highlights from last night, again, and you know what? If the Cubs don't win another game, I'm going to look back on 2015 as an enormous success and a hell of a lot of fun. I'm genuinely finding it hard to put into words how fucking happy this team makes me because every time I try, I get all fucking emotional. I'm not even kidding.
This has been a crazy, awesome season. I'll repeat myself -- as long as the Cubs don't BLOW it, I'll be ok with what comes.
It's amazing that they are legitimately the favourites now ... it's also unsettling because the favourites seem to rarely win.
Quote from: Tonker on October 14, 2015, 10:54:03 AM
I'd give my right arm to be in Chicago, or at least to have somebody over here to talk to about it, but as I don't, you guys are going to bear the brunt.
I've just been watching the highlights from last night, again, and you know what? If the Cubs don't win another game, I'm going to look back on 2015 as an enormous success and a hell of a lot of fun. I'm genuinely finding it hard to put into words how fucking happy this team makes me because every time I try, I get all fucking emotional. I'm not even kidding.
You're not alone pal. I had actual tears in my eyes when they got that last out and I told myself to savor it all night long, because the last time they won a division series I was too young and dumb to realize just how fucking hard it is, and I never dreamed it'd be 12 years before I watched them do it again. So I got super damn emotional, and I held my infant son aloft like he was fucking Simba and we had ourselves a nice time going nuts. What a ride.
Quote from: Tonker on October 14, 2015, 10:54:03 AM
I'd give my right arm to be in Chicago, or at least to have somebody over here to talk to about it, but as I don't, you guys are going to bear the brunt.
I've just been watching the highlights from last night, again, and you know what? If the Cubs don't win another game, I'm going to look back on 2015 as an enormous success and a hell of a lot of fun. I'm genuinely finding it hard to put into words how fucking happy this team makes me because every time I try, I get all fucking emotional. I'm not even kidding.
I've been an annoying detractor of the "it's all gravy now" argument, but I've reached that point now. 100-plus wins and beating the Cardinals in a playoff series is more than enough to keep me warm over the winter. I'll obviously be disappointed if they get eliminated, but I don't think it'll last very long. What a ride.
Quote from: SKO on October 14, 2015, 10:59:07 AM
Quote from: Tonker on October 14, 2015, 10:54:03 AM
I'd give my right arm to be in Chicago, or at least to have somebody over here to talk to about it, but as I don't, you guys are going to bear the brunt.
I've just been watching the highlights from last night, again, and you know what? If the Cubs don't win another game, I'm going to look back on 2015 as an enormous success and a hell of a lot of fun. I'm genuinely finding it hard to put into words how fucking happy this team makes me because every time I try, I get all fucking emotional. I'm not even kidding.
You're not alone pal. I had actual tears in my eyes when they got that last out and I told myself to savor it all night long, because the last time they won a division series I was too young and dumb to realize just how fucking hard it is, and I never dreamed it'd be 12 years before I watched them do it again. So I got super damn emotional, and I held my infant son aloft like he was fucking Simba and we had ourselves a nice time going nuts. What a ride.
I swear that I've done this probably over 100 times with both of my kids when there were infants. I even would belt out the song.
The best thing for me is that this team isn't a catch lightning in a bottle team. It's a very likable, young, built from the ground up with a bright future. It's made rooting for them even better.
Quote from: Eli on October 14, 2015, 10:59:27 AM
Quote from: Tonker on October 14, 2015, 10:54:03 AM
I'd give my right arm to be in Chicago, or at least to have somebody over here to talk to about it, but as I don't, you guys are going to bear the brunt.
I've just been watching the highlights from last night, again, and you know what? If the Cubs don't win another game, I'm going to look back on 2015 as an enormous success and a hell of a lot of fun. I'm genuinely finding it hard to put into words how fucking happy this team makes me because every time I try, I get all fucking emotional. I'm not even kidding.
I've been an annoying detractor of the "it's all gravy now" argument, but I've reached that point now. 100-plus wins and beating the Cardinals in a playoff series is more than enough to keep me warm over the winter. I'll obviously be disappointed if they get eliminated, but I don't think it'll last very long. What a ride.
It's funny, because I have been one of the gravy people. But now, when they have so much gravy that even Jim Hendry couldn't finish it, I'm going all-in with this team. They are so good, and are having so much fun, and so don't give a shit about any of those things that drug down past Cubs teams and their fan base (me included) that I am now assuming they are going to win the whole damn thing.
Quote from: thehawk on October 14, 2015, 11:22:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 14, 2015, 10:59:27 AM
Quote from: Tonker on October 14, 2015, 10:54:03 AM
I'd give my right arm to be in Chicago, or at least to have somebody over here to talk to about it, but as I don't, you guys are going to bear the brunt.
I've just been watching the highlights from last night, again, and you know what? If the Cubs don't win another game, I'm going to look back on 2015 as an enormous success and a hell of a lot of fun. I'm genuinely finding it hard to put into words how fucking happy this team makes me because every time I try, I get all fucking emotional. I'm not even kidding.
I've been an annoying detractor of the "it's all gravy now" argument, but I've reached that point now. 100-plus wins and beating the Cardinals in a playoff series is more than enough to keep me warm over the winter. I'll obviously be disappointed if they get eliminated, but I don't think it'll last very long. What a ride.
It's funny, because I have been one of the gravy people. But now, when they have so much gravy that even Jim Hendry couldn't finish it, I'm going all-in with this team. They are so good, and are having so much fun, and so don't give a shit about any of those things that drug down past Cubs teams and their fan base (me included) that I am now assuming they are going to win the whole damn thing.
While I am still very happy with where this season is and where the next five to 6 seasons appear to be going, I'm not going to be in the SKO shed-a-tear place without four more wins. I remember 1984 all too well and thinking it was going to be a good ride again in 1985 and 1986. I thought the same in 1989.
When we got to 2003, I remember thinking, "It took them 19 years to crush me again?"
It's been 12 more years. I'm happy. I'm not satisfied. And I'm not counting on next year if this doesn't pan out.
Win this fucking thing.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 14, 2015, 11:38:08 AM
Quote from: thehawk on October 14, 2015, 11:22:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 14, 2015, 10:59:27 AM
Quote from: Tonker on October 14, 2015, 10:54:03 AM
I'd give my right arm to be in Chicago, or at least to have somebody over here to talk to about it, but as I don't, you guys are going to bear the brunt.
I've just been watching the highlights from last night, again, and you know what? If the Cubs don't win another game, I'm going to look back on 2015 as an enormous success and a hell of a lot of fun. I'm genuinely finding it hard to put into words how fucking happy this team makes me because every time I try, I get all fucking emotional. I'm not even kidding.
I've been an annoying detractor of the "it's all gravy now" argument, but I've reached that point now. 100-plus wins and beating the Cardinals in a playoff series is more than enough to keep me warm over the winter. I'll obviously be disappointed if they get eliminated, but I don't think it'll last very long. What a ride.
It's funny, because I have been one of the gravy people. But now, when they have so much gravy that even Jim Hendry couldn't finish it, I'm going all-in with this team. They are so good, and are having so much fun, and so don't give a shit about any of those things that drug down past Cubs teams and their fan base (me included) that I am now assuming they are going to win the whole damn thing.
While I am still very happy with where this season is and where the next five to 6 seasons appear to be going, I'm not going to be in the SKO shed-a-tear place without four more wins. I remember 1984 all too well and thinking it was going to be a good ride again in 1985 and 1986. I thought the same in 1989.
When we got to 2003, I remember thinking, "It took them 19 years to crush me again?"
It's been 12 more years. I'm happy. I'm not satisfied. And I'm not counting on next year if this doesn't pan out.
Win this fucking thing.
I agree with...Chuck? I want a WS. I let myself enjoy the moment for about an hour last night. On my walk home from the bar with the dog, I stopped and got a frozen custard. A small. That's what this win is worth and, damnit, I want more. 4 more wins gets me a medium. 8 more gets me a large...with toppings (maybe I'll spring for a concrete).
Let's do this.
Quote from: Oleg on October 14, 2015, 12:12:46 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 14, 2015, 11:38:08 AM
Quote from: thehawk on October 14, 2015, 11:22:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 14, 2015, 10:59:27 AM
Quote from: Tonker on October 14, 2015, 10:54:03 AM
I'd give my right arm to be in Chicago, or at least to have somebody over here to talk to about it, but as I don't, you guys are going to bear the brunt.
I've just been watching the highlights from last night, again, and you know what? If the Cubs don't win another game, I'm going to look back on 2015 as an enormous success and a hell of a lot of fun. I'm genuinely finding it hard to put into words how fucking happy this team makes me because every time I try, I get all fucking emotional. I'm not even kidding.
I've been an annoying detractor of the "it's all gravy now" argument, but I've reached that point now. 100-plus wins and beating the Cardinals in a playoff series is more than enough to keep me warm over the winter. I'll obviously be disappointed if they get eliminated, but I don't think it'll last very long. What a ride.
It's funny, because I have been one of the gravy people. But now, when they have so much gravy that even Jim Hendry couldn't finish it, I'm going all-in with this team. They are so good, and are having so much fun, and so don't give a shit about any of those things that drug down past Cubs teams and their fan base (me included) that I am now assuming they are going to win the whole damn thing.
While I am still very happy with where this season is and where the next five to 6 seasons appear to be going, I'm not going to be in the SKO shed-a-tear place without four more wins. I remember 1984 all too well and thinking it was going to be a good ride again in 1985 and 1986. I thought the same in 1989.
When we got to 2003, I remember thinking, "It took them 19 years to crush me again?"
It's been 12 more years. I'm happy. I'm not satisfied. And I'm not counting on next year if this doesn't pan out.
Win this fucking thing.
I agree with...Chuck? I want a WS. I let myself enjoy the moment for about an hour last night. On my walk home from the bar with the dog, I stopped and got a frozen custard. A small. That's what this win is worth and, damnit, I want more. 4 more wins gets me a medium. 8 more gets me a large...with toppings (maybe I'll spring for a concrete).
Let's do this.
I don't think anyone is well and truly satisfied. The last game this Cubs team plays will be a bummer even if they win because I will miss them, but it will especially be a bummer if they don't win the last game of the year. But I think mostly it's okay to take some time and appreciate this team, this moment, and simply being on this stage.
2008 was such a bitter disappointment, but if I'd have known what 2009-2013 were going to bring I'd have enjoyed it a lot more. If you only focus on championships it's really hard to enjoy sports, and you're supposed to enjoy them. I will let nothing keep me from enjoying this team right now, and even if (God forbid) they collapse like 2003 I'm going to promise myself that I will remember this season with something other than a nauseous feeling. It's been fun. Unbelievably fun. I won't let anything take away from that.
Of course there's still a whole lot more fun left on the table.
The Cubs have already let the Central Division know there's a new sheriff in town.
If they want to let the entire National League know, I'm cool with that too.
Quote from: Oleg on October 14, 2015, 12:12:46 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 14, 2015, 11:38:08 AM
Quote from: thehawk on October 14, 2015, 11:22:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 14, 2015, 10:59:27 AM
Quote from: Tonker on October 14, 2015, 10:54:03 AM
I'd give my right arm to be in Chicago, or at least to have somebody over here to talk to about it, but as I don't, you guys are going to bear the brunt.
I've just been watching the highlights from last night, again, and you know what? If the Cubs don't win another game, I'm going to look back on 2015 as an enormous success and a hell of a lot of fun. I'm genuinely finding it hard to put into words how fucking happy this team makes me because every time I try, I get all fucking emotional. I'm not even kidding.
I've been an annoying detractor of the "it's all gravy now" argument, but I've reached that point now. 100-plus wins and beating the Cardinals in a playoff series is more than enough to keep me warm over the winter. I'll obviously be disappointed if they get eliminated, but I don't think it'll last very long. What a ride.
It's funny, because I have been one of the gravy people. But now, when they have so much gravy that even Jim Hendry couldn't finish it, I'm going all-in with this team. They are so good, and are having so much fun, and so don't give a shit about any of those things that drug down past Cubs teams and their fan base (me included) that I am now assuming they are going to win the whole damn thing.
While I am still very happy with where this season is and where the next five to 6 seasons appear to be going, I'm not going to be in the SKO shed-a-tear place without four more wins. I remember 1984 all too well and thinking it was going to be a good ride again in 1985 and 1986. I thought the same in 1989.
When we got to 2003, I remember thinking, "It took them 19 years to crush me again?"
It's been 12 more years. I'm happy. I'm not satisfied. And I'm not counting on next year if this doesn't pan out.
Win this fucking thing.
I agree with...Chuck? I want a WS. I let myself enjoy the moment for about an hour last night. On my walk home from the bar with the dog, I stopped and got a frozen custard. A small. That's what this win is worth and, damnit, I want more. 4 more wins gets me a medium. 8 more gets me a large...with toppings (maybe I'll spring for a concrete).
Let's do this.
I'm halfway. I want the title, obviously. We all do.
But they have to make it to the World Series. They just have to. They're better than the Dodgers and Mets. There are still so many demons left to slay.
Quote from: Slaky on October 14, 2015, 12:30:44 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 14, 2015, 12:12:46 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 14, 2015, 11:38:08 AM
Quote from: thehawk on October 14, 2015, 11:22:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 14, 2015, 10:59:27 AM
Quote from: Tonker on October 14, 2015, 10:54:03 AM
I'd give my right arm to be in Chicago, or at least to have somebody over here to talk to about it, but as I don't, you guys are going to bear the brunt.
I've just been watching the highlights from last night, again, and you know what? If the Cubs don't win another game, I'm going to look back on 2015 as an enormous success and a hell of a lot of fun. I'm genuinely finding it hard to put into words how fucking happy this team makes me because every time I try, I get all fucking emotional. I'm not even kidding.
I've been an annoying detractor of the "it's all gravy now" argument, but I've reached that point now. 100-plus wins and beating the Cardinals in a playoff series is more than enough to keep me warm over the winter. I'll obviously be disappointed if they get eliminated, but I don't think it'll last very long. What a ride.
It's funny, because I have been one of the gravy people. But now, when they have so much gravy that even Jim Hendry couldn't finish it, I'm going all-in with this team. They are so good, and are having so much fun, and so don't give a shit about any of those things that drug down past Cubs teams and their fan base (me included) that I am now assuming they are going to win the whole damn thing.
While I am still very happy with where this season is and where the next five to 6 seasons appear to be going, I'm not going to be in the SKO shed-a-tear place without four more wins. I remember 1984 all too well and thinking it was going to be a good ride again in 1985 and 1986. I thought the same in 1989.
When we got to 2003, I remember thinking, "It took them 19 years to crush me again?"
It's been 12 more years. I'm happy. I'm not satisfied. And I'm not counting on next year if this doesn't pan out.
Win this fucking thing.
I agree with...Chuck? I want a WS. I let myself enjoy the moment for about an hour last night. On my walk home from the bar with the dog, I stopped and got a frozen custard. A small. That's what this win is worth and, damnit, I want more. 4 more wins gets me a medium. 8 more gets me a large...with toppings (maybe I'll spring for a concrete).
Let's do this.
I'm halfway. I want the title, obviously. We all do.
But they have to make it to the World Series. They just have to. They're better than the Dodgers and Mets. There are still so many demons left to slay.
Just getting to the Series will kill the stupid goat curse. That would almost be enough to satisfy me.
Quote from: Canadouche on October 14, 2015, 12:32:19 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 14, 2015, 12:30:44 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 14, 2015, 12:12:46 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 14, 2015, 11:38:08 AM
Quote from: thehawk on October 14, 2015, 11:22:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 14, 2015, 10:59:27 AM
Quote from: Tonker on October 14, 2015, 10:54:03 AM
I'd give my right arm to be in Chicago, or at least to have somebody over here to talk to about it, but as I don't, you guys are going to bear the brunt.
I've just been watching the highlights from last night, again, and you know what? If the Cubs don't win another game, I'm going to look back on 2015 as an enormous success and a hell of a lot of fun. I'm genuinely finding it hard to put into words how fucking happy this team makes me because every time I try, I get all fucking emotional. I'm not even kidding.
I've been an annoying detractor of the "it's all gravy now" argument, but I've reached that point now. 100-plus wins and beating the Cardinals in a playoff series is more than enough to keep me warm over the winter. I'll obviously be disappointed if they get eliminated, but I don't think it'll last very long. What a ride.
It's funny, because I have been one of the gravy people. But now, when they have so much gravy that even Jim Hendry couldn't finish it, I'm going all-in with this team. They are so good, and are having so much fun, and so don't give a shit about any of those things that drug down past Cubs teams and their fan base (me included) that I am now assuming they are going to win the whole damn thing.
While I am still very happy with where this season is and where the next five to 6 seasons appear to be going, I'm not going to be in the SKO shed-a-tear place without four more wins. I remember 1984 all too well and thinking it was going to be a good ride again in 1985 and 1986. I thought the same in 1989.
When we got to 2003, I remember thinking, "It took them 19 years to crush me again?"
It's been 12 more years. I'm happy. I'm not satisfied. And I'm not counting on next year if this doesn't pan out.
Win this fucking thing.
I agree with...Chuck? I want a WS. I let myself enjoy the moment for about an hour last night. On my walk home from the bar with the dog, I stopped and got a frozen custard. A small. That's what this win is worth and, damnit, I want more. 4 more wins gets me a medium. 8 more gets me a large...with toppings (maybe I'll spring for a concrete).
Let's do this.
I'm halfway. I want the title, obviously. We all do.
But they have to make it to the World Series. They just have to. They're better than the Dodgers and Mets. There are still so many demons left to slay.
Just getting to the Series will kill the stupid goat curse. That would almost be enough to satisfy me.
I also tell myself this, but I'm almost certain it's not true.
Quote from: CT III on October 14, 2015, 12:36:06 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 14, 2015, 12:32:19 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 14, 2015, 12:30:44 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 14, 2015, 12:12:46 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 14, 2015, 11:38:08 AM
Quote from: thehawk on October 14, 2015, 11:22:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 14, 2015, 10:59:27 AM
Quote from: Tonker on October 14, 2015, 10:54:03 AM
I'd give my right arm to be in Chicago, or at least to have somebody over here to talk to about it, but as I don't, you guys are going to bear the brunt.
I've just been watching the highlights from last night, again, and you know what? If the Cubs don't win another game, I'm going to look back on 2015 as an enormous success and a hell of a lot of fun. I'm genuinely finding it hard to put into words how fucking happy this team makes me because every time I try, I get all fucking emotional. I'm not even kidding.
I've been an annoying detractor of the "it's all gravy now" argument, but I've reached that point now. 100-plus wins and beating the Cardinals in a playoff series is more than enough to keep me warm over the winter. I'll obviously be disappointed if they get eliminated, but I don't think it'll last very long. What a ride.
It's funny, because I have been one of the gravy people. But now, when they have so much gravy that even Jim Hendry couldn't finish it, I'm going all-in with this team. They are so good, and are having so much fun, and so don't give a shit about any of those things that drug down past Cubs teams and their fan base (me included) that I am now assuming they are going to win the whole damn thing.
While I am still very happy with where this season is and where the next five to 6 seasons appear to be going, I'm not going to be in the SKO shed-a-tear place without four more wins. I remember 1984 all too well and thinking it was going to be a good ride again in 1985 and 1986. I thought the same in 1989.
When we got to 2003, I remember thinking, "It took them 19 years to crush me again?"
It's been 12 more years. I'm happy. I'm not satisfied. And I'm not counting on next year if this doesn't pan out.
Win this fucking thing.
I agree with...Chuck? I want a WS. I let myself enjoy the moment for about an hour last night. On my walk home from the bar with the dog, I stopped and got a frozen custard. A small. That's what this win is worth and, damnit, I want more. 4 more wins gets me a medium. 8 more gets me a large...with toppings (maybe I'll spring for a concrete).
Let's do this.
I'm halfway. I want the title, obviously. We all do.
But they have to make it to the World Series. They just have to. They're better than the Dodgers and Mets. There are still so many demons left to slay.
Just getting to the Series will kill the stupid goat curse. That would almost be enough to satisfy me.
I also tell myself this, but I'm almost certain it's not true.
For real, just win the whole fucking thing.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 14, 2015, 01:10:19 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 14, 2015, 12:36:06 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 14, 2015, 12:32:19 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 14, 2015, 12:30:44 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 14, 2015, 12:12:46 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 14, 2015, 11:38:08 AM
Quote from: thehawk on October 14, 2015, 11:22:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 14, 2015, 10:59:27 AM
Quote from: Tonker on October 14, 2015, 10:54:03 AM
I'd give my right arm to be in Chicago, or at least to have somebody over here to talk to about it, but as I don't, you guys are going to bear the brunt.
I've just been watching the highlights from last night, again, and you know what? If the Cubs don't win another game, I'm going to look back on 2015 as an enormous success and a hell of a lot of fun. I'm genuinely finding it hard to put into words how fucking happy this team makes me because every time I try, I get all fucking emotional. I'm not even kidding.
I've been an annoying detractor of the "it's all gravy now" argument, but I've reached that point now. 100-plus wins and beating the Cardinals in a playoff series is more than enough to keep me warm over the winter. I'll obviously be disappointed if they get eliminated, but I don't think it'll last very long. What a ride.
It's funny, because I have been one of the gravy people. But now, when they have so much gravy that even Jim Hendry couldn't finish it, I'm going all-in with this team. They are so good, and are having so much fun, and so don't give a shit about any of those things that drug down past Cubs teams and their fan base (me included) that I am now assuming they are going to win the whole damn thing.
While I am still very happy with where this season is and where the next five to 6 seasons appear to be going, I'm not going to be in the SKO shed-a-tear place without four more wins. I remember 1984 all too well and thinking it was going to be a good ride again in 1985 and 1986. I thought the same in 1989.
When we got to 2003, I remember thinking, "It took them 19 years to crush me again?"
It's been 12 more years. I'm happy. I'm not satisfied. And I'm not counting on next year if this doesn't pan out.
Win this fucking thing.
I agree with...Chuck? I want a WS. I let myself enjoy the moment for about an hour last night. On my walk home from the bar with the dog, I stopped and got a frozen custard. A small. That's what this win is worth and, damnit, I want more. 4 more wins gets me a medium. 8 more gets me a large...with toppings (maybe I'll spring for a concrete).
Let's do this.
I'm halfway. I want the title, obviously. We all do.
But they have to make it to the World Series. They just have to. They're better than the Dodgers and Mets. There are still so many demons left to slay.
Just getting to the Series will kill the stupid goat curse. That would almost be enough to satisfy me.
I also tell myself this, but I'm almost certain it's not true.
For real, just win the whole fucking thing.
A pennant would bring the tears. A trophy... Dunno. Gotta check that the fire insurance policy is up to date.
Quote from: Eli on October 14, 2015, 10:59:27 AM
Quote from: Tonker on October 14, 2015, 10:54:03 AM
I'd give my right arm to be in Chicago, or at least to have somebody over here to talk to about it, but as I don't, you guys are going to bear the brunt.
I've just been watching the highlights from last night, again, and you know what? If the Cubs don't win another game, I'm going to look back on 2015 as an enormous success and a hell of a lot of fun. I'm genuinely finding it hard to put into words how fucking happy this team makes me because every time I try, I get all fucking emotional. I'm not even kidding.
I've been an annoying detractor of the "it's all gravy now" argument, but I've reached that point now. 100-plus wins and beating the Cardinals in a playoff series is more than enough to keep me warm over the winter. I'll obviously be disappointed if they get eliminated, but I don't think it'll last very long. What a ride.
Yeah, they're playing with house money at this point. Last night was a night I wasn't sure I'd ever see and I thoroughly enjoyed it and will continue to regardless of what happens next.
That said, I'd love to see them shove it up the Mets' ass.
Quote from: SKO on October 14, 2015, 10:59:07 AM
Quote from: Tonker on October 14, 2015, 10:54:03 AM
I'd give my right arm to be in Chicago, or at least to have somebody over here to talk to about it, but as I don't, you guys are going to bear the brunt.
I've just been watching the highlights from last night, again, and you know what? If the Cubs don't win another game, I'm going to look back on 2015 as an enormous success and a hell of a lot of fun. I'm genuinely finding it hard to put into words how fucking happy this team makes me because every time I try, I get all fucking emotional. I'm not even kidding.
You're not alone pal. I had actual tears in my eyes when they got that last out and I told myself to savor it all night long, because the last time they won a division series I was too young and dumb to realize just how fucking hard it is, and I never dreamed it'd be 12 years before I watched them do it again. So I got super damn emotional, and I held my infant son aloft like he was fucking Simba and we had ourselves a nice time going nuts. What a ride.
You kids nowadays (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02sXPkfS9UE).
Quote from: Brownie on October 14, 2015, 12:39:09 AM
NLCS
Saturday (10-17): Arrieta (four days rest)
Sunday (10-18): Lester (8 days rest)
Tuesday (10-20): Hendricks/Hammel/Haren
Wednesday (10-21): Arrieta (three days rest)
Thursday (10-22): Lester (three days rest)
Saturday (10-24): Hendricks Hammel/Haren
Sunday (10-25): Arrieta (three days rest)
Arrieta 3 starts, Lester 2, Hammel/Hendricks/Haren 2
World Series
Tuesday (10-27): Lester (four days rest)
Wednesday (10-28): Hendricks/Hammel/Haren
Friday (10-30): Arrieta (four days rest)
Saturday (10-31): Lester (three days rest)
Sunday (11-1): Hendricks/Hammel/Haren
Tuesday (11-3): Arrieta (three days rest)
Wednesday (11-4): Lester (three days rest)
Arrieta 2 starts, Lester 3, Hendricks/Hammel/Haren 2
That's 6 starts for Jake, 6 for Lester, and 7 for the H-gang.
Isn't Saturday three days' rest for Arrieta?
Quote from: Shooter on October 14, 2015, 06:59:40 PM
Quote from: Brownie on October 14, 2015, 12:39:09 AM
NLCS
Saturday (10-17): Arrieta (four days rest)
Sunday (10-18): Lester (8 days rest)
Tuesday (10-20): Hendricks/Hammel/Haren
Wednesday (10-21): Arrieta (three days rest)
Thursday (10-22): Lester (three days rest)
Saturday (10-24): Hendricks Hammel/Haren
Sunday (10-25): Arrieta (three days rest)
Arrieta 3 starts, Lester 2, Hammel/Hendricks/Haren 2
World Series
Tuesday (10-27): Lester (four days rest)
Wednesday (10-28): Hendricks/Hammel/Haren
Friday (10-30): Arrieta (four days rest)
Saturday (10-31): Lester (three days rest)
Sunday (11-1): Hendricks/Hammel/Haren
Tuesday (11-3): Arrieta (three days rest)
Wednesday (11-4): Lester (three days rest)
Arrieta 2 starts, Lester 3, Hendricks/Hammel/Haren 2
That's 6 starts for Jake, 6 for Lester, and 7 for the H-gang.
Isn't Saturday three days' rest for Arrieta?
DPD. No, it's four day, shithead.
I was at a wedding the night of Game 4 in 2003. The groom--who was actually a closer friend of my brother than me (but with whom I played softball and drank much beer)-was a true, dyed-in-wool White Sox fan, as was his whole family. His wife, conversely, was a Cubs fan, and members of her family--particularly her mom, I remember--were pretty hardcore. During the drinks portion of the evening, when the game was getting underway, one member of our group had the game on a transistor with an ear bud in and informed us of Ramirez' grand slam. High 5's all around. During dinner, updates continued to be provided by the DJ ("AT THE END OF THE SEVENTH INNING, THE CUBS ARE WINNING *EIGHT* TO TWO!" and half the room erupts). Finally, after the final out was recorded, the DJ not only got on the mic to announce the final score, but then played "Go Cubs Go", to which decidedly one-half of the room sang along. What a party.
That was the peak, for me--the lasting image of the good times for all of that. All of us at the table who knew the groom were just laughing our asses off that this Cub-hating Sox fan would have to hear that fucking song at his wedding. His whole family's probably pissed at him. Fucking awesome.
But even at that point, my brother and I reminded each other that as good as we fault it wasn't over. They got to the just-win-once-in-3-potential-tries point vs. San Diego.
Later in the evening, when everyone was good and drunk, we approached the groom's father. We weren't gloating or anything but he would've pre-emptively stopped us anyway because before either of us could say anything he resignedly stuck out his hand and sighed "congratulations". But neither of us would accept, and offered up that nothing was won, that it only took 19 years to get to where we had been versus San Diego that we wouldn't let him trick us into a jinx yadda yadda yadda. He wasn't buying it and frankly, deep down, neither were we. We just weren't going to accept congratulations since of course nothing had been won.
Technically, the '03 Cubs went further than the '84 Cubs. By not relinquishing the lead in their elimination game until there was 1 out in the 8th inning, as opposed to 1 out in the 7th like in '84, the 2003 Cubs crept a tiny bit closer than where they were in '84. But none of the matters of course. The situations were otherwise eerily similar and I really would hate to re-live any of it.
I don't know where any of this is going or what the point is. I guess this is just my way of saying that I would really like a sweep or the Cubs in 5. Get over this fucking hump so I can breathe again. Thanks.
Quote from: PANK! on October 15, 2015, 06:43:40 AM
I was at a wedding the night of Game 4 in 2003. The groom--who was actually a closer friend of my brother than me (but with whom I played softball and drank much beer)-was a true, dyed-in-wool White Sox fan, as was his whole family. His wife, conversely, was a Cubs fan, and members of her family--particularly her mom, I remember--were pretty hardcore. During the drinks portion of the evening, when the game was getting underway, one member of our group had the game on a transistor with an ear bud in and informed us of Ramirez' grand slam. High 5's all around. During dinner, updates continued to be provided by the DJ ("AT THE END OF THE SEVENTH INNING, THE CUBS ARE WINNING *EIGHT* TO TWO!" and half the room erupts). Finally, after the final out was recorded, the DJ not only got on the mic to announce the final score, but then played "Go Cubs Go", to which decidedly one-half of the room sang along. What a party.
That was the peak, for me--the lasting image of the good times for all of that. All of us at the table who knew the groom were just laughing our asses off that this Cub-hating Sox fan would have to hear that fucking song at his wedding. His whole family's probably pissed at him. Fucking awesome.
But even at that point, my brother and I reminded each other that as good as we fault it wasn't over. They got to the just-win-once-in-3-potential-tries point vs. San Diego.
Later in the evening, when everyone was good and drunk, we approached the groom's father. We weren't gloating or anything but he would've pre-emptively stopped us anyway because before either of us could say anything he resignedly stuck out his hand and sighed "congratulations". But neither of us would accept, and offered up that nothing was won, that it only took 19 years to get to where we had been versus San Diego that we wouldn't let him trick us into a jinx yadda yadda yadda. He wasn't buying it and frankly, deep down, neither were we. We just weren't going to accept congratulations since of course nothing had been won.
Technically, the '03 Cubs went further than the '84 Cubs. By not relinquishing the lead in their elimination game until there was 1 out in the 8th inning, as opposed to 1 out in the 7th like in '84, the 2003 Cubs crept a tiny bit closer than where they were in '84. But none of the matters of course. The situations were otherwise eerily similar and I really would hate to re-live any of it.
I don't know where any of this is going or what the point is. I guess this is just my way of saying that I would really like a sweep or the Cubs in 5. Get over this fucking hump so I can breathe again. Thanks.
As good as we fault it's never over for any of us, really.
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 07:25:53 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 15, 2015, 06:43:40 AM
I was at a wedding the night of Game 4 in 2003. The groom--who was actually a closer friend of my brother than me (but with whom I played softball and drank much beer)-was a true, dyed-in-wool White Sox fan, as was his whole family. His wife, conversely, was a Cubs fan, and members of her family--particularly her mom, I remember--were pretty hardcore. During the drinks portion of the evening, when the game was getting underway, one member of our group had the game on a transistor with an ear bud in and informed us of Ramirez' grand slam. High 5's all around. During dinner, updates continued to be provided by the DJ ("AT THE END OF THE SEVENTH INNING, THE CUBS ARE WINNING *EIGHT* TO TWO!" and half the room erupts). Finally, after the final out was recorded, the DJ not only got on the mic to announce the final score, but then played "Go Cubs Go", to which decidedly one-half of the room sang along. What a party.
That was the peak, for me--the lasting image of the good times for all of that. All of us at the table who knew the groom were just laughing our asses off that this Cub-hating Sox fan would have to hear that fucking song at his wedding. His whole family's probably pissed at him. Fucking awesome.
But even at that point, my brother and I reminded each other that as good as we fault it wasn't over. They got to the just-win-once-in-3-potential-tries point vs. San Diego.
Later in the evening, when everyone was good and drunk, we approached the groom's father. We weren't gloating or anything but he would've pre-emptively stopped us anyway because before either of us could say anything he resignedly stuck out his hand and sighed "congratulations". But neither of us would accept, and offered up that nothing was won, that it only took 19 years to get to where we had been versus San Diego that we wouldn't let him trick us into a jinx yadda yadda yadda. He wasn't buying it and frankly, deep down, neither were we. We just weren't going to accept congratulations since of course nothing had been won.
Technically, the '03 Cubs went further than the '84 Cubs. By not relinquishing the lead in their elimination game until there was 1 out in the 8th inning, as opposed to 1 out in the 7th like in '84, the 2003 Cubs crept a tiny bit closer than where they were in '84. But none of the matters of course. The situations were otherwise eerily similar and I really would hate to re-live any of it.
I don't know where any of this is going or what the point is. I guess this is just my way of saying that I would really like a sweep or the Cubs in 5. Get over this fucking hump so I can breathe again. Thanks.
As good as we fault it's never over for any of us, really.
I couldn't gigure ho to say it, but I younger the same way.
60/40 the Cubs go to the series. And this team is better than 1984, 1989, and 2003 so sayeth the stats.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/this-is-the-cubs-best-chance-yet-to-break-their-curse/
1 typo. ONE fucking typo in that heartfelt post.
I've never felt more like Leon Durham.
Quote from: PANK! link=to
pic=8969.msg295176#msg295176 date=1444916637
1 typo. ONE fucking typo in that heartfelt post.
I've never felt more like Leon Durham.
SQDPD
Actually I flat-out dropped the 3rd out in the 5th inning of what was to be Codys' first playoff victory ever, allowing the tying run to score, on a perfectly hard throw from Slaky from third base, after having a nearly flawless season playing 1st for several years. My team (and myself) thankfully picked me up the next time we batted--and we won handily-- but I would have to say I never felt more like Leon Durham at
that point.
Quote from: PANK! on October 15, 2015, 08:47:31 AM
Quote from: PANK! link=to
pic=8969.msg295176#msg295176 date=1444916637
1 typo. ONE fucking typo in that heartfelt post.
I've never felt more like Leon Durham.
SQDPD
Actually I flat-out dropped the 3rd out in the 5th inning of what was to be Codys' first playoff victory ever, allowing the tying run to score, on a perfectly hard throw from Slaky from third base, after having a nearly flawless season playing 1st for several years. My team (and myself) thankfully picked me up the next time we batted--and we won handily-- but I would have to say I never felt more like Leon Durham at that point.
You even PANK'd the quote. You're such a gift. Never ever change.
Quote from: PANK! on October 15, 2015, 08:47:31 AM
Quote from: PANK! link=to
pic=8969.msg295176#msg295176 date=1444916637
1 typo. ONE fucking typo in that heartfelt post.
I've never felt more like Leon Durham.
SQDPD
Actually I flat-out dropped the 3rd out in the 5th inning of what was to be Codys' first playoff victory ever, allowing the tying run to score, on a perfectly hard throw from Slaky from third base, after having a nearly flawless season playing 1st for several years. My team (and myself) thankfully picked me up the next time we batted--and we won handily-- but I would have to say I never felt more like Leon Durham at that point.
You know, when the Cubs win this whole fucking thing, whether this year or at some point in the very near future, I hope they bring guys like Durham and Gonzalez back so they get the appreciation they deserve instead of being remembered for an error at a horrible time.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 15, 2015, 09:33:00 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 15, 2015, 08:47:31 AM
Quote from: PANK! link=to
pic=8969.msg295176#msg295176 date=1444916637
1 typo. ONE fucking typo in that heartfelt post.
I've never felt more like Leon Durham.
SQDPD
Actually I flat-out dropped the 3rd out in the 5th inning of what was to be Codys' first playoff victory ever, allowing the tying run to score, on a perfectly hard throw from Slaky from third base, after having a nearly flawless season playing 1st for several years. My team (and myself) thankfully picked me up the next time we batted--and we won handily-- but I would have to say I never felt more like Leon Durham at that point.
You know, when the Cubs win this whole fucking thing, whether this year or at some point in the very near future, I hope they bring guys like Durham and Gonzalez back so they get the appreciation they deserve instead of being remembered for an error at a horrible time.
What fucking appreciation does Alex Gonzalez deserve? He was worth a whopping 2.1 fWAR in 2 1/2 seasons as a Cub and he botched a double play ball to send them to the fucking world series. I don't care if they win 10 titles, he deserves nothing but scorn forever.
Durham seems like a cool dude who deserved better, though.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 15, 2015, 09:33:00 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 15, 2015, 08:47:31 AM
Quote from: PANK! link=to
pic=8969.msg295176#msg295176 date=1444916637
1 typo. ONE fucking typo in that heartfelt post.
I've never felt more like Leon Durham.
SQDPD
Actually I flat-out dropped the 3rd out in the 5th inning of what was to be Codys' first playoff victory ever, allowing the tying run to score, on a perfectly hard throw from Slaky from third base, after having a nearly flawless season playing 1st for several years. My team (and myself) thankfully picked me up the next time we batted--and we won handily-- but I would have to say I never felt more like Leon Durham at that point.
You know, when the Cubs win this whole fucking thing, whether this year or at some point in the very near future, I hope they bring guys like Durham and Gonzalez back so they get the appreciation they deserve instead of being remembered for an error at a horrible time.
I do think if/when the Cubs do pull this off (and I mean the whole thing), I'd like to think it's for all of the Cubs who've ever been. The shitty ones to the great ones. Every single Cub player and manager - praise some and goddamn the rest - but a World Series championship is for this team, those teams, and all of us.
When I saw a pic of Dave Otto (Elk Grove's finest) double fisting in the stands during game 4, I just thought - think of all the old Cubs who came close. They had to know what it would have meant to the city. 69, 84, 89, and so forth. Every player on all those teams had to know how this is a little different.
I wonder how many of those guys are watching somewhere, even with just a little bit of interest in seeing the Cubs go all the way. I'm sure they'll come crawling out of the woodwork as the Cubs get closer.
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 09:37:36 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 15, 2015, 09:33:00 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 15, 2015, 08:47:31 AM
Quote from: PANK! link=to
pic=8969.msg295176#msg295176 date=1444916637
1 typo. ONE fucking typo in that heartfelt post.
I've never felt more like Leon Durham.
SQDPD
Actually I flat-out dropped the 3rd out in the 5th inning of what was to be Codys' first playoff victory ever, allowing the tying run to score, on a perfectly hard throw from Slaky from third base, after having a nearly flawless season playing 1st for several years. My team (and myself) thankfully picked me up the next time we batted--and we won handily-- but I would have to say I never felt more like Leon Durham at that point.
You know, when the Cubs win this whole fucking thing, whether this year or at some point in the very near future, I hope they bring guys like Durham and Gonzalez back so they get the appreciation they deserve instead of being remembered for an error at a horrible time.
What fucking appreciation does Alex Gonzalez deserve? He was worth a whopping 2.1 fWAR in 2 1/2 seasons as a Cub and he botched a double play ball to send them to the fucking world series. I don't care if they win 10 titles, he deserves nothing but scorn forever.
Durham seems like a cool dude who deserved better, though.
Durham was my favorite player who was a fine glove man.
Not a big Gonzalez fan but the guy did hit a handful of walkoffs in '03. Considering that the Cubs clinched the division on the second-to-last day of the season, I'd say he contributed.
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 09:37:36 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 15, 2015, 09:33:00 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 15, 2015, 08:47:31 AM
Quote from: PANK! link=to
pic=8969.msg295176#msg295176 date=1444916637
1 typo. ONE fucking typo in that heartfelt post.
I've never felt more like Leon Durham.
SQDPD
Actually I flat-out dropped the 3rd out in the 5th inning of what was to be Codys' first playoff victory ever, allowing the tying run to score, on a perfectly hard throw from Slaky from third base, after having a nearly flawless season playing 1st for several years. My team (and myself) thankfully picked me up the next time we batted--and we won handily-- but I would have to say I never felt more like Leon Durham at that point.
You know, when the Cubs win this whole fucking thing, whether this year or at some point in the very near future, I hope they bring guys like Durham and Gonzalez back so they get the appreciation they deserve instead of being remembered for an error at a horrible time.
What fucking appreciation does Alex Gonzalez deserve? He was worth a whopping 2.1 fWAR in 2 1/2 seasons as a Cub and he botched a double play ball to send them to the fucking world series. I don't care if they win 10 titles, he deserves nothing but scorn forever.
Durham seems like a cool dude who deserved better, though.
Well, he was worth 1.6 fWAR in 2003. Considering they edged out the Astros by a game to make the postseason, you could argue that he was the difference between not going to the postseason at all. He slugged .679 in the NLCS, too. I don't really care if they invite him back or not, but to say he "deserves nothing by scorn forever" because of one bad play is just ignorant.
But, please, continue with your caricaturesque meatball haterage shtick.
Quote from: PANK! on October 15, 2015, 09:58:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 09:37:36 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 15, 2015, 09:33:00 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 15, 2015, 08:47:31 AM
Quote from: PANK! link=to
pic=8969.msg295176#msg295176 date=1444916637
1 typo. ONE fucking typo in that heartfelt post.
I've never felt more like Leon Durham.
SQDPD
Actually I flat-out dropped the 3rd out in the 5th inning of what was to be Codys' first playoff victory ever, allowing the tying run to score, on a perfectly hard throw from Slaky from third base, after having a nearly flawless season playing 1st for several years. My team (and myself) thankfully picked me up the next time we batted--and we won handily-- but I would have to say I never felt more like Leon Durham at that point.
You know, when the Cubs win this whole fucking thing, whether this year or at some point in the very near future, I hope they bring guys like Durham and Gonzalez back so they get the appreciation they deserve instead of being remembered for an error at a horrible time.
What fucking appreciation does Alex Gonzalez deserve? He was worth a whopping 2.1 fWAR in 2 1/2 seasons as a Cub and he botched a double play ball to send them to the fucking world series. I don't care if they win 10 titles, he deserves nothing but scorn forever.
Durham seems like a cool dude who deserved better, though.
Durham was my favorite player who was a fine glove man.
Not a big Gonzalez fan but the guy did hit a handful of walkoffs in '03. Considering that the Cubs clinched the division on the second-to-last day of the season, I'd say he contributed.
Man, I forgot about that. I can't find a way to get a count of walkoffs, but he went 6 for 10 in extra innings that year with 3 HR.
Here's a blast from the past, the 1985 Cubs season preview that WGN aired after re-broadcasting the division clincher (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0EccjUjzfQ). I remember watching it one blustery afternoon in February 1985.
Just speed it up to about 19:40 where Joe Goddard says the Cardinals probably had the worst offseason, and Steve Stone and Harry Caray emphatically agree. Fred Mitchell doesn't join in on the prediction of DOOM for the Cardinals, who won 105 games and made it to Game 7 of the World Series that season, but they all agree the Cubs were set up to be the best team in the National League. After all, their one big weak link was set to be replaced by Dallas Green's first big prospect, Shawon Dunston. They had the NL Cy Young Award winner, the NL MVP, a competent CF, an All-Star catcher, and players at first base and right field who were also in their prime.
It turns out tomorrow is promised to no one. It wasn't promised to the 1985 Bears, who thankfully got their one title. It wasn't promised to the '84 Cubs or the '89 Cubs, or the 2003 Cubs, who had the pieces for sustained success. It wasn't promised to the 2005 White Sox, who were built to be a one or two year wonder.
It wasn't promised to the Bulls of the 90s or the Hawks of today. How lucky they were to avoid major injury for six out of those eight seasons. There were plenty of teams good enough to beat the Bulls, including Apex's Knicks who had the Bulls on the ropes multiple times. The Hawks got three Stanley Cups, but despite having three franchise players (Toews, Kane and Keith), the road was never easy.
Maybe the Cubs are set up to dominate over the next five seasons. It doesn't mean they shouldn't seize this opportunity now. The Bears had the 49ers in the 1984 NFC Championship Game. You don't think Walter Payton died regretting they didn't win that game? Do you think Scottie Pippen wonders what might have been if he didn't have a migraine in 1990 or if Hue Hollins didn't take his Ref Like Shit Pills before Game 6 of the Eastern Conference Finals in 1994? Do you think Jordan wishes he had a couple plays in that Orlando series back?
Do you think Mariano Rivera wishes he made better pitches in 2001 in Game 7?
Do you think the Blackhawks still feel a tinge (just a tinge, but a tinge nonetheless) of disappointment about losing to the Kings in overtime of Game 7 in 2014?
Just win the thing now. Forget curses, just don't let self-doubt and failure infiltrate this fun team and Maddon's culture. Win it this year, and as this team improves over the next 2-5 years we can talk about which Chicago dynasty was best: the Aughts Cubs, 40s Bears, 90s Bulls, the 2010s Hawks or the mid 2010s to early 2020s Cubs.
Quote from: Brownie on October 15, 2015, 10:39:13 AM
Here's a blast from the past, the 1985 Cubs season preview that WGN aired after re-broadcasting the division clincher (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0EccjUjzfQ). I remember watching it one blustery afternoon in February 1985.
Just speed it up to about 19:40 where Joe Goddard says the Cardinals probably had the worst offseason, and Steve Stone and Harry Caray emphatically agree. Fred Mitchell doesn't join in on the prediction of DOOM for the Cardinals, who won 105 games and made it to Game 7 of the World Series that season, but they all agree the Cubs were set up to be the best team in the National League. After all, their one big weak link was set to be replaced by Dallas Green's first big prospect, Shawon Dunston. They had the NL Cy Young Award winner, the NL MVP, a competent CF, an All-Star catcher, and players at first base and right field who were also in their prime.
It turns out tomorrow is promised to no one. It wasn't promised to the 1985 Bears, who thankfully got their one title. It wasn't promised to the '84 Cubs or the '89 Cubs, or the 2003 Cubs, who had the pieces for sustained success. It wasn't promised to the 2005 White Sox, who were built to be a one or two year wonder.
It wasn't promised to the Bulls of the 90s or the Hawks of today. How lucky they were to avoid major injury for six out of those eight seasons. There were plenty of teams good enough to beat the Bulls, including Apex's Knicks who had the Bulls on the ropes multiple times. The Hawks got three Stanley Cups, but despite having three franchise players (Toews, Kane and Keith), the road was never easy.
Maybe the Cubs are set up to dominate over the next five seasons. It doesn't mean they shouldn't seize this opportunity now. The Bears had the 49ers in the 1984 NFC Championship Game. You don't think Walter Payton died regretting they didn't win that game? Do you think Scottie Pippen wonders what might have been if he didn't have a migraine in 1990 or if Hue Hollins didn't take his Ref Like Shit Pills before Game 6 of the Eastern Conference Finals in 1994? Do you think Jordan wishes he had a couple plays in that Orlando series back?
Do you think Mariano Rivera wishes he made better pitches in 2001 in Game 7?
Do you think the Blackhawks still feel a tinge (just a tinge, but a tinge nonetheless) of disappointment about losing to the Kings in overtime of Game 7 in 2014?
Just win the thing now. Forget curses, just don't let self-doubt and failure infiltrate this fun team and Maddon's culture. Win it this year, and as this team improves over the next 2-5 years we can talk about which Chicago dynasty was best: the Aughts Cubs, 40s Bears, 90s Bulls, the 2010s Hawks or the mid 2010s to early 2020s Cubs.
I heard Mariano say recently that his best wasn't good enough that day. BABIP and what not. He sleeps easy.
Quote from: Brownie on October 15, 2015, 10:39:13 AM
Here's a blast from the past, the 1985 Cubs season preview that WGN aired after re-broadcasting the division clincher (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0EccjUjzfQ). I remember watching it one blustery afternoon in February 1985.
Just speed it up to about 19:40 where Joe Goddard says the Cardinals probably had the worst offseason, and Steve Stone and Harry Caray emphatically agree. Fred Mitchell doesn't join in on the prediction of DOOM for the Cardinals, who won 105 games and made it to Game 7 of the World Series that season, but they all agree the Cubs were set up to be the best team in the National League. After all, their one big weak link was set to be replaced by Dallas Green's first big prospect, Shawon Dunston. They had the NL Cy Young Award winner, the NL MVP, a competent CF, an All-Star catcher, and players at first base and right field who were also in their prime.
It turns out tomorrow is promised to no one. It wasn't promised to the 1985 Bears, who thankfully got their one title. It wasn't promised to the '84 Cubs or the '89 Cubs, or the 2003 Cubs, who had the pieces for sustained success. It wasn't promised to the 2005 White Sox, who were built to be a one or two year wonder.
It wasn't promised to the Bulls of the 90s or the Hawks of today. How lucky they were to avoid major injury for six out of those eight seasons. There were plenty of teams good enough to beat the Bulls, including Apex's Knicks who had the Bulls on the ropes multiple times. The Hawks got three Stanley Cups, but despite having three franchise players (Toews, Kane and Keith), the road was never easy.
Maybe the Cubs are set up to dominate over the next five seasons. It doesn't mean they shouldn't seize this opportunity now. The Bears had the 49ers in the 1984 NFC Championship Game. You don't think Walter Payton died regretting they didn't win that game? Do you think Scottie Pippen wonders what might have been if he didn't have a migraine in 1990 or if Hue Hollins didn't take his Ref Like Shit Pills before Game 6 of the Eastern Conference Finals in 1994? Do you think Jordan wishes he had a couple plays in that Orlando series back?
Do you think Mariano Rivera wishes he made better pitches in 2001 in Game 7?
Do you think the Blackhawks still feel a tinge (just a tinge, but a tinge nonetheless) of disappointment about losing to the Kings in overtime of Game 7 in 2014?
Just win the thing now. Forget curses, just don't let self-doubt and failure infiltrate this fun team and Maddon's culture. Win it this year, and as this team improves over the next 2-5 years we can talk about which Chicago dynasty was best: the Aughts Cubs, 40s Bears, 90s Bulls, the 2010s Hawks or the mid 2010s to early 2020s Cubs.
Although I agree wholeheartedly with your last paragraph I gotta say the rest of this post and the memories it brought back is depressing as hell.
Quote from: PANK! on October 15, 2015, 06:43:40 AM
I was at a wedding the night of Game 4 in 2003. The groom--who was actually a closer friend of my brother than me (but with whom I played softball and drank much beer)-was a true, dyed-in-wool White Sox fan, as was his whole family. His wife, conversely, was a Cubs fan, and members of her family--particularly her mom, I remember--were pretty hardcore. During the drinks portion of the evening, when the game was getting underway, one member of our group had the game on a transistor with an ear bud in and informed us of Ramirez' grand slam. High 5's all around. During dinner, updates continued to be provided by the DJ ("AT THE END OF THE SEVENTH INNING, THE CUBS ARE WINNING *EIGHT* TO TWO!" and half the room erupts). Finally, after the final out was recorded, the DJ not only got on the mic to announce the final score, but then played "Go Cubs Go", to which decidedly one-half of the room sang along. What a party.
That was the peak, for me--the lasting image of the good times for all of that. All of us at the table who knew the groom were just laughing our asses off that this Cub-hating Sox fan would have to hear that fucking song at his wedding. His whole family's probably pissed at him. Fucking awesome.
But even at that point, my brother and I reminded each other that as good as we fault it wasn't over. They got to the just-win-once-in-3-potential-tries point vs. San Diego.
Later in the evening, when everyone was good and drunk, we approached the groom's father. We weren't gloating or anything but he would've pre-emptively stopped us anyway because before either of us could say anything he resignedly stuck out his hand and sighed "congratulations". But neither of us would accept, and offered up that nothing was won, that it only took 19 years to get to where we had been versus San Diego that we wouldn't let him trick us into a jinx yadda yadda yadda. He wasn't buying it and frankly, deep down, neither were we. We just weren't going to accept congratulations since of course nothing had been won.
Technically, the '03 Cubs went further than the '84 Cubs. By not relinquishing the lead in their elimination game until there was 1 out in the 8th inning, as opposed to 1 out in the 7th like in '84, the 2003 Cubs crept a tiny bit closer than where they were in '84. But none of the matters of course. The situations were otherwise eerily similar and I really would hate to re-live any of it.
I don't know where any of this is going or what the point is. I guess this is just my way of saying that I would really like a sweep or the Cubs in 5. Get over this fucking hump so I can breathe again. Thanks.
I got married in late October 2005. Despite my assumption that the postseason had been canceled that year, my in-laws (who are both born and raised Bridgeportians) decided that they wanted to keep pretending that not only was baseball still underway, but by some insane leap of imagination, the White Sox were in the World Series against the Astros.
Throughout the evening, my Father-In-Law was requesting that the DJ announce updates throughout the game since:
1. It was 2005 and people didn't have smart phones
2. We were in the middle of the desert without access to TVs or much else than an open bar and some bathrooms
I have no idea where the DJ was getting updates, but that's really neither here nor there.
Luckily, I was on cloud nine that night between marriage and drinks and whatnot and I was relatively unphased by this, not more than just a little annoyed, even when a sizable portion of the reception exploded when it was announced that Scott Podsednik had hit a walk-off.
Quote from: ChuckD on October 15, 2015, 10:01:19 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 09:37:36 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 15, 2015, 09:33:00 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 15, 2015, 08:47:31 AM
Quote from: PANK! link=to
pic=8969.msg295176#msg295176 date=1444916637
1 typo. ONE fucking typo in that heartfelt post.
I've never felt more like Leon Durham.
SQDPD
Actually I flat-out dropped the 3rd out in the 5th inning of what was to be Codys' first playoff victory ever, allowing the tying run to score, on a perfectly hard throw from Slaky from third base, after having a nearly flawless season playing 1st for several years. My team (and myself) thankfully picked me up the next time we batted--and we won handily-- but I would have to say I never felt more like Leon Durham at that point.
You know, when the Cubs win this whole fucking thing, whether this year or at some point in the very near future, I hope they bring guys like Durham and Gonzalez back so they get the appreciation they deserve instead of being remembered for an error at a horrible time.
What fucking appreciation does Alex Gonzalez deserve? He was worth a whopping 2.1 fWAR in 2 1/2 seasons as a Cub and he botched a double play ball to send them to the fucking world series. I don't care if they win 10 titles, he deserves nothing but scorn forever.
Durham seems like a cool dude who deserved better, though.
Well, he was worth 1.6 fWAR in 2003. Considering they edged out the Astros by a game to make the postseason, you could argue that he was the difference between not going to the postseason at all. He slugged .679 in the NLCS, too. I don't really care if they invite him back or not, but to say he "deserves nothing by scorn forever" because of one bad play is just ignorant.
But, please, continue with your caricaturesque meatball haterage shtick.
Seriously? We're going to do this? He was worth 1.6 fWAR over an entire season, which is barely even average at best, and you want to say "without him they couldn't have made the postseason?" Perhaps they could have found another shortstop, who knows, but it's not like the alternative was literally not playing somebody.
And you want to call me a caricaturesque meatball for hating him over one bad play while citing a .679 slugging percentage in a seven game sample size? Or 10 at bats in extra innings in a year where he had a whopping .704 OPS overall?
So my meatball of hating a mediocre player for a massive fuckup that cost them a chance to clinch a pennant is more meatball than you overrating him because of some small sample size bullshit and clutchitude?
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 11:21:18 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 15, 2015, 10:01:19 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 09:37:36 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 15, 2015, 09:33:00 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 15, 2015, 08:47:31 AM
Quote from: PANK! link=to
pic=8969.msg295176#msg295176 date=1444916637
1 typo. ONE fucking typo in that heartfelt post.
I've never felt more like Leon Durham.
SQDPD
Actually I flat-out dropped the 3rd out in the 5th inning of what was to be Codys' first playoff victory ever, allowing the tying run to score, on a perfectly hard throw from Slaky from third base, after having a nearly flawless season playing 1st for several years. My team (and myself) thankfully picked me up the next time we batted--and we won handily-- but I would have to say I never felt more like Leon Durham at that point.
You know, when the Cubs win this whole fucking thing, whether this year or at some point in the very near future, I hope they bring guys like Durham and Gonzalez back so they get the appreciation they deserve instead of being remembered for an error at a horrible time.
What fucking appreciation does Alex Gonzalez deserve? He was worth a whopping 2.1 fWAR in 2 1/2 seasons as a Cub and he botched a double play ball to send them to the fucking world series. I don't care if they win 10 titles, he deserves nothing but scorn forever.
Durham seems like a cool dude who deserved better, though.
Well, he was worth 1.6 fWAR in 2003. Considering they edged out the Astros by a game to make the postseason, you could argue that he was the difference between not going to the postseason at all. He slugged .679 in the NLCS, too. I don't really care if they invite him back or not, but to say he "deserves nothing by scorn forever" because of one bad play is just ignorant.
But, please, continue with your caricaturesque meatball haterage shtick.
Seriously? We're going to do this? He was worth 1.6 fWAR over an entire season, which is barely even average at best, and you want to say "without him they couldn't have made the postseason?" Perhaps they could have found another shortstop, who knows, but it's not like the alternative was literally not playing somebody.
I agree that was a very un-ChuckD point.
For the record I don't actually hope people hiss at Gonzalez and throw rotten produce or whatever at him. It would be sad if people actually treated him like they did Bartman or Buckner or Denkinger. But to say that as a Cubs fan it's "ignorant" to be mad that a mediocre-at-best player made one of the biggest fuckups in franchise history (and cite a few random extra innings homers or a 7 game slugging % as counterpoint) is irritating.
Hey, look everybody! Another prolonged discussion of 2003!
Fuck those playoffs.
DPD.
PECOTA is at 60/40 Dodgers today.
Quote from: Oleg on October 15, 2015, 11:44:02 AM
DPD.
PECOTA is at 60/40 Dodgers today.
I keep going back and forth over Mets or Dodgers. The Mets pitching depth is impressive, the Dodgers top 2 in a four game series would be rough, but would think Jake and Kershaw pretty effectively cancel each other out, and I've really decided my rooting interest is to curl up into the fetal position until the games start and then pray regardless of who the opponent is that everything turns out okay because I'm going to be a quivering ball of jelly anyways.
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 11:46:19 AM
Quote from: Oleg on October 15, 2015, 11:44:02 AM
DPD.
PECOTA is at 60/40 Dodgers today.
I keep going back and forth over Mets or Dodgers. The Mets pitching depth is impressive, the Dodgers top 2 in a four game series would be rough, but would think Jake and Kershaw pretty effectively cancel each other out, and I've really decided my rooting interest is to curl up into the fetal position until the games start and then pray regardless of who the opponent is that everything turns out okay because I'm going to be a quivering ball of jelly anyways.
Yeah, pretty much this. I couldn't care less whom The Cubs play.
Quote from: Oleg on October 15, 2015, 11:49:09 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 11:46:19 AM
Quote from: Oleg on October 15, 2015, 11:44:02 AM
DPD.
PECOTA is at 60/40 Dodgers today.
I keep going back and forth over Mets or Dodgers. The Mets pitching depth is impressive, the Dodgers top 2 in a four game series would be rough, but would think Jake and Kershaw pretty effectively cancel each other out, and I've really decided my rooting interest is to curl up into the fetal position until the games start and then pray regardless of who the opponent is that everything turns out okay because I'm going to be a quivering ball of jelly anyways.
Yeah, pretty much this. I couldn't care less whom The Cubs play.
The Dodgers bother me a little more because of the West Coast trip aspect and the fact that the Cubs didn't play particularly well out there late this season. That's a small nit to pick but the Mets don't impress me. I don't give a shit what they've done since acquiring Cespedes. They suck.
Also that Beethoven snippet they play at Dodgers Stadium after an opponent strikes out annoys the piss out of me. In a tense situation like the NLCS, hearing that sound about 17 times a game will be the end of me. Or I'll have to watch the game on mute, which is less fun than watching it with sound.
Go Mets.
The three most annoying things I heard all season:
1. Cubs fans cheering for Cole Fucking dfhaspdfjkoascdasjhkla to sd;jkl4f4fajka
2. That Beethoven shit in Dodger Stadium all through the weekend series before Jake shut all their fucking cockholsters on Sunday.
3. Royals fans lousing up Wrigley and cheering like crazy when bad shit was happening to the Cubs. I learned to quickly hate those people.
Quote from: InternetApex on October 15, 2015, 12:05:31 PM
The three most annoying things I heard all season:
1. Cubs fans cheering for Cole Fucking dfhaspdfjkoascdasjhkla to sd;jkl4f4fajka
2. That Beethoven shit in Dodger Stadium all through the weekend series before Jake shut all their fucking cockholsters on Sunday.
3. Royals fans lousing up Wrigley and cheering like crazy when bad shit was happening to the Cubs. I learned to quickly hate those people.
Royals fans went from people I was happy for last year to "oh these are just Cardinals fans who have been waiting a long time to get to act like Cardinals fans" very quickly.
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 12:06:38 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on October 15, 2015, 12:05:31 PM
The three most annoying things I heard all season:
1. Cubs fans cheering for Cole Fucking dfhaspdfjkoascdasjhkla to sd;jkl4f4fajka
2. That Beethoven shit in Dodger Stadium all through the weekend series before Jake shut all their fucking cockholsters on Sunday.
3. Royals fans lousing up Wrigley and cheering like crazy when bad shit was happening to the Cubs. I learned to quickly hate those people.
Royals fans went from people I was happy for last year to "oh these are just Cardinals fans who have been waiting a long time to get to act like Cardinals fans" very quickly.
Motherfuckers.
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 12:06:38 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on October 15, 2015, 12:05:31 PM
The three most annoying things I heard all season:
1. Cubs fans cheering for Cole Fucking dfhaspdfjkoascdasjhkla to sd;jkl4f4fajka
2. That Beethoven shit in Dodger Stadium all through the weekend series before Jake shut all their fucking cockholsters on Sunday.
3. Royals fans lousing up Wrigley and cheering like crazy when bad shit was happening to the Cubs. I learned to quickly hate those people.
Royals fans went from people I was happy for last year to "oh these are just Cardinals fans who have been waiting a long time to get to act like Cardinals fans" very quickly.
I think the difference is Royals fans still have a "we're happy to be here" vibe, which gives them some self-awareness that Cardinals fans aren't remotely capable of.
Quote from: Eli on October 15, 2015, 12:11:20 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 12:06:38 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on October 15, 2015, 12:05:31 PM
The three most annoying things I heard all season:
1. Cubs fans cheering for Cole Fucking dfhaspdfjkoascdasjhkla to sd;jkl4f4fajka
2. That Beethoven shit in Dodger Stadium all through the weekend series before Jake shut all their fucking cockholsters on Sunday.
3. Royals fans lousing up Wrigley and cheering like crazy when bad shit was happening to the Cubs. I learned to quickly hate those people.
Royals fans went from people I was happy for last year to "oh these are just Cardinals fans who have been waiting a long time to get to act like Cardinals fans" very quickly.
I think the difference is Royals fans still have a "we're happy to be here" vibe, which gives them some self-awareness that Cardinals fans aren't remotely capable of.
Yeah, I know, but so what? They were loud when I was trying to cook dinner and had to run into the living room to see wtf happeh and it was some Royals dude making a catch at the fence off a Bryant drive. They're dead to me.
But whatever. Chris Denorfia, something something, cockholsters.
Quote from: InternetApex on October 15, 2015, 12:13:37 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 15, 2015, 12:11:20 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 12:06:38 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on October 15, 2015, 12:05:31 PM
The three most annoying things I heard all season:
1. Cubs fans cheering for Cole Fucking dfhaspdfjkoascdasjhkla to sd;jkl4f4fajka
2. That Beethoven shit in Dodger Stadium all through the weekend series before Jake shut all their fucking cockholsters on Sunday.
3. Royals fans lousing up Wrigley and cheering like crazy when bad shit was happening to the Cubs. I learned to quickly hate those people.
Royals fans went from people I was happy for last year to "oh these are just Cardinals fans who have been waiting a long time to get to act like Cardinals fans" very quickly.
I think the difference is Royals fans still have a "we're happy to be here" vibe, which gives them some self-awareness that Cardinals fans aren't remotely capable of.
Yeah, I know, but so what? They were loud when I was trying to cook dinner and had to run into the living room to see wtf happeh and it was some Royals dude making a catch at the fence off a Bryant drive. They're dead to me.
But whatever. Chris Denorfia, something something, cockholsters.
I can't believe anyone outside of Missouri and/or Kansas has a feeling about Royals fans, positive or negative.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 15, 2015, 12:15:38 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on October 15, 2015, 12:13:37 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 15, 2015, 12:11:20 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 12:06:38 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on October 15, 2015, 12:05:31 PM
The three most annoying things I heard all season:
1. Cubs fans cheering for Cole Fucking dfhaspdfjkoascdasjhkla to sd;jkl4f4fajka
2. That Beethoven shit in Dodger Stadium all through the weekend series before Jake shut all their fucking cockholsters on Sunday.
3. Royals fans lousing up Wrigley and cheering like crazy when bad shit was happening to the Cubs. I learned to quickly hate those people.
Royals fans went from people I was happy for last year to "oh these are just Cardinals fans who have been waiting a long time to get to act like Cardinals fans" very quickly.
I think the difference is Royals fans still have a "we're happy to be here" vibe, which gives them some self-awareness that Cardinals fans aren't remotely capable of.
Yeah, I know, but so what? They were loud when I was trying to cook dinner and had to run into the living room to see wtf happeh and it was some Royals dude making a catch at the fence off a Bryant drive. They're dead to me.
But whatever. Chris Denorfia, something something, cockholsters.
I can't believe anyone outside of Missouri and/or Kansas has a feeling about Royals fans, positive or negative.
The dude who sits in the cube behind mine is a Royals fan. I have formed no opinion of him, yet.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 15, 2015, 12:15:38 PM
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The three most annoying things I heard all season:
1. Cubs fans cheering for Cole Fucking dfhaspdfjkoascdasjhkla to sd;jkl4f4fajka
2. That Beethoven shit in Dodger Stadium all through the weekend series before Jake shut all their fucking cockholsters on Sunday.
3. Royals fans lousing up Wrigley and cheering like crazy when bad shit was happening to the Cubs. I learned to quickly hate those people.
Royals fans went from people I was happy for last year to "oh these are just Cardinals fans who have been waiting a long time to get to act like Cardinals fans" very quickly.
I think the difference is Royals fans still have a "we're happy to be here" vibe, which gives them some self-awareness that Cardinals fans aren't remotely capable of.
Yeah, I know, but so what? They were loud when I was trying to cook dinner and had to run into the living room to see wtf happeh and it was some Royals dude making a catch at the fence off a Bryant drive. They're dead to me.
But whatever. Chris Denorfia, something something, cockholsters.
I can't believe anyone outside of Missouri and/or Kansas has a feeling about Royals fans, positive or negative.
Well Eli lives like 12 miles from Kaufman (he gave this very personal info out on twitter so now I can stalk him) and I live not quite 3 hours from there. There's a shocking number of Royals fans in the Des Moines Area. I'd say it's about 50% Cubs fans, 20% Cards Fans, 20% Royals fans, and 10% miscellany (maybe about 5% Twins). Although an annoying number of people who were Royals fans last fall are now wearing Cubs shirts this year and saying they're just rooting for a series between the two so one of their "teams" wins and I want them all dead.
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The three most annoying things I heard all season:
1. Cubs fans cheering for Cole Fucking dfhaspdfjkoascdasjhkla to sd;jkl4f4fajka
2. That Beethoven shit in Dodger Stadium all through the weekend series before Jake shut all their fucking cockholsters on Sunday.
3. Royals fans lousing up Wrigley and cheering like crazy when bad shit was happening to the Cubs. I learned to quickly hate those people.
Royals fans went from people I was happy for last year to "oh these are just Cardinals fans who have been waiting a long time to get to act like Cardinals fans" very quickly.
I think the difference is Royals fans still have a "we're happy to be here" vibe, which gives them some self-awareness that Cardinals fans aren't remotely capable of.
Yeah, I know, but so what? They were loud when I was trying to cook dinner and had to run into the living room to see wtf happeh and it was some Royals dude making a catch at the fence off a Bryant drive. They're dead to me.
But whatever. Chris Denorfia, something something, cockholsters.
I can't believe anyone outside of Missouri and/or Kansas has a feeling about Royals fans, positive or negative.
The dude who sits in the cube behind mine is a Royals fan. I have formed no opinion of him, yet.
It's interesting how a team's success factors into the perception of a fan base. So many of the Royals fans who I know and like are also KU fans, who are like a top 5 terrible fan base.
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Quote from: InternetApex on October 15, 2015, 12:05:31 PM
The three most annoying things I heard all season:
1. Cubs fans cheering for Cole Fucking dfhaspdfjkoascdasjhkla to sd;jkl4f4fajka
2. That Beethoven shit in Dodger Stadium all through the weekend series before Jake shut all their fucking cockholsters on Sunday.
3. Royals fans lousing up Wrigley and cheering like crazy when bad shit was happening to the Cubs. I learned to quickly hate those people.
Royals fans went from people I was happy for last year to "oh these are just Cardinals fans who have been waiting a long time to get to act like Cardinals fans" very quickly.
I think the difference is Royals fans still have a "we're happy to be here" vibe, which gives them some self-awareness that Cardinals fans aren't remotely capable of.
Yeah, I know, but so what? They were loud when I was trying to cook dinner and had to run into the living room to see wtf happeh and it was some Royals dude making a catch at the fence off a Bryant drive. They're dead to me.
But whatever. Chris Denorfia, something something, cockholsters.
I can't believe anyone outside of Missouri and/or Kansas has a feeling about Royals fans, positive or negative.
I always feel happy for any long-suffering team that begins to experience success, probably because I mostly only support long-suffering teams. (Seriously, 7-year-old me who decided to cheer for the Bills, Sabres, and Cubs, WTF?)
Reading the thoughts of other teams' fans reminds me that the average meathead Cub fan is just as bad as the average meathead Cardinals fan. But I think we get pretty annoyed by our own meatheads too. In the end, maybe the only good sports fans are your friends. Everybody else sucks for some reason or other.
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The three most annoying things I heard all season:
1. Cubs fans cheering for Cole Fucking dfhaspdfjkoascdasjhkla to sd;jkl4f4fajka
2. That Beethoven shit in Dodger Stadium all through the weekend series before Jake shut all their fucking cockholsters on Sunday.
3. Royals fans lousing up Wrigley and cheering like crazy when bad shit was happening to the Cubs. I learned to quickly hate those people.
Royals fans went from people I was happy for last year to "oh these are just Cardinals fans who have been waiting a long time to get to act like Cardinals fans" very quickly.
I think the difference is Royals fans still have a "we're happy to be here" vibe, which gives them some self-awareness that Cardinals fans aren't remotely capable of.
Yeah, I know, but so what? They were loud when I was trying to cook dinner and had to run into the living room to see wtf happeh and it was some Royals dude making a catch at the fence off a Bryant drive. They're dead to me.
But whatever. Chris Denorfia, something something, cockholsters.
I can't believe anyone outside of Missouri and/or Kansas has a feeling about Royals fans, positive or negative.
I always feel happy for any long-suffering team that begins to experience success, probably because I mostly only support long-suffering teams. (Seriously, 7-year-old me who decided to cheer for the Bills, Sabres, and Cubs, WTF?)
Reading the thoughts of other teams' fans reminds me that the average meathead Cub fan is just as bad as the average meathead Cardinals fan. But I think we get pretty annoyed by our own meatheads too. In the end, maybe the only good sports fans are your friends. Everybody else sucks for some reason or other.
I think the main difference is that we all hate idiots. So when we're saying we hate "x fans" we're saying we hate their fans that are idiots for the most part, with some exceptions (Will Leitch for the Cardinals for example. I find his patronizing, golf clapping BFIB'ing worse than most of their racist idiot fans).
I do think some fanbase's idiots are different than others. Chicago meatballs tend to be mostly inward facing, I think. They rant about Quitler and Castro and their own players for being soft and not good enough. That probably just comes from years of losing although Blackhawks fans who still hate Crawford give me pause on that one. Cardinals idiots are raised with success and so their stupidity manifests itself as bragging to other fanbases about how they themselves are basically morally superior because their team is good.
I will always have a soft spot in my black heart for The Royals just for 1985. God bless Don Deckinger.
Quote from: Oleg on October 15, 2015, 12:41:25 PM
I will always have a soft spot in my black heart for The Royals just for 1985. God bless Don Deckinger.
I actually lived in the same town as Denkinger for a few years. He had a subscription to the newspaper where I used to work. I met him one day and would have hugged him and thanked him had I not been well aware that he despises exactly that kind of attention.
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The three most annoying things I heard all season:
1. Cubs fans cheering for Cole Fucking dfhaspdfjkoascdasjhkla to sd;jkl4f4fajka
2. That Beethoven shit in Dodger Stadium all through the weekend series before Jake shut all their fucking cockholsters on Sunday.
3. Royals fans lousing up Wrigley and cheering like crazy when bad shit was happening to the Cubs. I learned to quickly hate those people.
Royals fans went from people I was happy for last year to "oh these are just Cardinals fans who have been waiting a long time to get to act like Cardinals fans" very quickly.
I think the difference is Royals fans still have a "we're happy to be here" vibe, which gives them some self-awareness that Cardinals fans aren't remotely capable of.
Yeah, I know, but so what? They were loud when I was trying to cook dinner and had to run into the living room to see wtf happeh and it was some Royals dude making a catch at the fence off a Bryant drive. They're dead to me.
But whatever. Chris Denorfia, something something, cockholsters.
I can't believe anyone outside of Missouri and/or Kansas has a feeling about Royals fans, positive or negative.
I always feel happy for any long-suffering team that begins to experience success, probably because I mostly only support long-suffering teams. (Seriously, 7-year-old me who decided to cheer for the Bills, Sabres, and Cubs, WTF?)
Reading the thoughts of other teams' fans reminds me that the average meathead Cub fan is just as bad as the average meathead Cardinals fan. But I think we get pretty annoyed by our own meatheads too. In the end, maybe the only good sports fans are your friends. Everybody else sucks for some reason or other.
I think the main difference is that we all hate idiots. So when we're saying we hate "x fans" we're saying we hate their fans that are idiots for the most part, with some exceptions (Will Leitch for the Cardinals for example. I find his patronizing, golf clapping BFIB'ing worse than most of their racist idiot fans).
I do think some fanbase's idiots are different than others. Chicago meatballs tend to be mostly inward facing, I think. They rant about Quitler and Castro and their own players for being soft and not good enough. That probably just comes from years of losing although Blackhawks fans who still hate Crawford give me pause on that one. Cardinals idiots are raised with success and so their stupidity manifests itself as bragging to other fanbases about how they themselves are basically morally superior because their team is good.
Watching Game 1 of Cubs-Cardinals at a packed bar with plenty of representation from both sides, I can once again confirm that my least favorite fans are those who root for the same team as me but do so very badly.
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The three most annoying things I heard all season:
1. Cubs fans cheering for Cole Fucking dfhaspdfjkoascdasjhkla to sd;jkl4f4fajka
2. That Beethoven shit in Dodger Stadium all through the weekend series before Jake shut all their fucking cockholsters on Sunday.
3. Royals fans lousing up Wrigley and cheering like crazy when bad shit was happening to the Cubs. I learned to quickly hate those people.
Royals fans went from people I was happy for last year to "oh these are just Cardinals fans who have been waiting a long time to get to act like Cardinals fans" very quickly.
I think the difference is Royals fans still have a "we're happy to be here" vibe, which gives them some self-awareness that Cardinals fans aren't remotely capable of.
Yeah, I know, but so what? They were loud when I was trying to cook dinner and had to run into the living room to see wtf happeh and it was some Royals dude making a catch at the fence off a Bryant drive. They're dead to me.
But whatever. Chris Denorfia, something something, cockholsters.
I can't believe anyone outside of Missouri and/or Kansas has a feeling about Royals fans, positive or negative.
I always feel happy for any long-suffering team that begins to experience success, probably because I mostly only support long-suffering teams. (Seriously, 7-year-old me who decided to cheer for the Bills, Sabres, and Cubs, WTF?)
Reading the thoughts of other teams' fans reminds me that the average meathead Cub fan is just as bad as the average meathead Cardinals fan. But I think we get pretty annoyed by our own meatheads too. In the end, maybe the only good sports fans are your friends. Everybody else sucks for some reason or other.
I think the main difference is that we all hate idiots. So when we're saying we hate "x fans" we're saying we hate their fans that are idiots for the most part, with some exceptions (Will Leitch for the Cardinals for example. I find his patronizing, golf clapping BFIB'ing worse than most of their racist idiot fans).
I do think some fanbase's idiots are different than others. Chicago meatballs tend to be mostly inward facing, I think. They rant about Quitler and Castro and their own players for being soft and not good enough. That probably just comes from years of losing although Blackhawks fans who still hate Crawford give me pause on that one. Cardinals idiots are raised with success and so their stupidity manifests itself as bragging to other fanbases about how they themselves are basically morally superior because their team is good.
Watching Game 1 of Cubs-Cardinals at a packed bar with plenty of representation from both sides, I can once again confirm that my least favorite fans are those who root for the same team as me but do so very badly.
I will never hate any fanbase as badly as I hate most Bears fans. Now that I've pretty much completely detached myself from the Bears I find them even more annoying.
If I cared what anybody thought, I'd be mortified that people see the readers and writers of Bleed Cubbie Blue as representative of Cub fans.
Maddon says Russell is out for the entire series. Damn.
At this point my basic assumption is that 70% of any sports team's fanbase are raging assbags*. I try to judge on the remaining 30%, while doing my best to distance myself from my own teams' 70%**.
*Philadelphia being the exception to the rule at 98%
**I do not claim to be successful in this regard
Quote from: Eli on October 15, 2015, 01:28:12 PM
Maddon says Russell is out for the entire series. Damn.
Obviously Javy is going to bash six homers so they can welcome back Addy for the World Series.
Quote from: Eli on October 15, 2015, 01:28:12 PM
Maddon says Russell is out for the entire series. Damn.
Shit. Well, at least Baez isn't a huge downgrade on defense and may actually be an offense upgrade?
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Maddon says Russell is out for the entire series. Damn.
Shit. Well, at least Baez isn't a huge downgrade on defense and may actually be an offense upgrade?
Nothing is fucked here.
This hurts depth but I can't see it mattering that much in a short series, agree that Russell is a more fundamentally sound defensive SS although Javy is certainly capable of some amazing plays. Javy's bat is probably better right now, and lord knows whatever hits he does get will be ones that count for something.
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 01:50:55 PM
This hurts depth but I can't see it mattering that much in a short series, agree that Russell is a more fundamentally sound defensive SS although Javy is certainly capable of some amazing plays. Javy's bat is probably better right now, and lord knows whatever hits he does get will be ones that count for something.
It probably means we see Johnny Buckets on the NLCS roster?
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Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 01:50:55 PM
This hurts depth but I can't see it mattering that much in a short series, agree that Russell is a more fundamentally sound defensive SS although Javy is certainly capable of some amazing plays. Javy's bat is probably better right now, and lord knows whatever hits he does get will be ones that count for something.
It probably means we see Johnny Buckets on the NLCS roster?
I doubt it. I'd add another pitcher. Javy and Starlin can both play short and second and La Stella and Coghlan can play 2B. Really don't think another middle infielder is necessary.
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Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 01:50:55 PM
This hurts depth but I can't see it mattering that much in a short series, agree that Russell is a more fundamentally sound defensive SS although Javy is certainly capable of some amazing plays. Javy's bat is probably better right now, and lord knows whatever hits he does get will be ones that count for something.
It probably means we see Johnny Buckets on the NLCS roster?
He's pure mascot now. I think he's batted 2 times since August.
Quote from: Eli on October 15, 2015, 01:56:37 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 15, 2015, 01:53:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 01:50:55 PM
This hurts depth but I can't see it mattering that much in a short series, agree that Russell is a more fundamentally sound defensive SS although Javy is certainly capable of some amazing plays. Javy's bat is probably better right now, and lord knows whatever hits he does get will be ones that count for something.
It probably means we see Johnny Buckets on the NLCS roster?
He's pure mascot now. I think he's batted 2 times since August.
Somehow, I forget that LaStella is an actual Cubs and everything. My bad.
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Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 01:50:55 PM
This hurts depth but I can't see it mattering that much in a short series, agree that Russell is a more fundamentally sound defensive SS although Javy is certainly capable of some amazing plays. Javy's bat is probably better right now, and lord knows whatever hits he does get will be ones that count for something.
It probably means we see Johnny Buckets on the NLCS roster?
He's pure mascot now. I think he's batted 2 times since August.
Somehow, I forget that LaStella is an actual Cubs and everything. My bad.
It's an injury replacement so I say fuck it, call up Gleyber Torres and make them never want to hear the words Cubs prospect ever again.
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1 typo. ONE fucking typo in that heartfelt post.
I've never felt more like Leon Durham.
SQDPD
Actually I flat-out dropped the 3rd out in the 5th inning of what was to be Codys' first playoff victory ever, allowing the tying run to score, on a perfectly hard throw from Slaky from third base, after having a nearly flawless season playing 1st for several years. My team (and myself) thankfully picked me up the next time we batted--and we won handily-- but I would have to say I never felt more like Leon Durham at that point.
You know, when the Cubs win this whole fucking thing, whether this year or at some point in the very near future, I hope they bring guys like Durham and Gonzalez back so they get the appreciation they deserve instead of being remembered for an error at a horrible time.
What fucking appreciation does Alex Gonzalez deserve? He was worth a whopping 2.1 fWAR in 2 1/2 seasons as a Cub and he botched a double play ball to send them to the fucking world series. I don't care if they win 10 titles, he deserves nothing but scorn forever.
Durham seems like a cool dude who deserved better, though.
Well, he was worth 1.6 fWAR in 2003. Considering they edged out the Astros by a game to make the postseason, you could argue that he was the difference between not going to the postseason at all. He slugged .679 in the NLCS, too. I don't really care if they invite him back or not, but to say he "deserves nothing by scorn forever" because of one bad play is just ignorant.
But, please, continue with your caricaturesque meatball haterage shtick.
Seriously? We're going to do this? He was worth 1.6 fWAR over an entire season, which is barely even average at best, and you want to say "without him they couldn't have made the postseason?" Perhaps they could have found another shortstop, who knows, but it's not like the alternative was literally not playing somebody.
I agree that was a very un-ChuckD point.
You're right, I could've phrased that better. I'm not making the argument that the guy was statistically a great Cub. Only that he did have some non-negligible contributions to the '03 team.
My favorite Cub is Andre Dawson. Statistically, he wasn't actually that good as a Cub by the time I was old enough to watch/comprehend. But he gave me some great memories so, yeah, there's a non-quantifiable/nostalgia component to weighing whether a player should get scorn/adulation.
Gonzalez was a dependable (lol, right?) defender and happened to hit some home runs in huge spots that year. And yeah, maybe they could have gotten a better shortstop. But ... they didn't. They got Lofton, Ramirez, and Simon and all three were the tits and helped the team to win the division. Nothing happens in a vacuum, so if they upgraded at SS, maybe Hendry doesn't end up making those moves with Pittsburgh and we don't outpace the Astros in 2003 and we don't have Aramis at third for the rest of the decade.
He hit the walkoff dongs during the season that Huey mentioned and I remember watching him hit the CLUTCH home run in Game 5 of the NLDS that ended up being the game winner -- those gave me a lot of joy so that stuff gets accounted for when I tally up how I feel about a guy. Yeah, he booted a gimme at a clutch moment. So what? It was twelve years ago.
I get that the thing for SKO (and some others) is to hate every single thing that's within sniffing distance of a firebarn. You guys are entitled to that. But I'll still think you're all redasses for doing so. Anyway. As you were.
Go Cubs.
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Quote from: ChuckD on October 15, 2015, 02:20:01 PM
You're right, I could've phrased that better. I'm not making the argument that the guy was statistically a great Cub. Only that he did have some non-negligible contributions to the '03 team.
My favorite Cub is Andre Dawson. Statistically, he wasn't actually that good as a Cub by the time I was old enough to watch/comprehend. But he gave me some great memories so, yeah, there's a non-quantifiable/nostalgia component to weighing whether a player should get scorn/adulation.
Gonzalez was a dependable (lol, right?) defender and happened to hit some home runs in huge spots that year. And yeah, maybe they could have gotten a better shortstop. But ... they didn't. They got Lofton, Ramirez, and Simon and all three were the tits and helped the team to win the division. Nothing happens in a vacuum, so if they upgraded at SS, maybe Hendry doesn't end up making those moves with Pittsburgh and we don't outpace the Astros in 2003 and we don't have Aramis at third for the rest of the decade.
He hit the walkoff dongs during the season that Huey mentioned and I remember watching him hit the CLUTCH home run in Game 5 of the NLDS that ended up being the game winner -- those gave me a lot of joy so that stuff gets accounted for when I tally up how I feel about a guy. Yeah, he booted a gimme at a clutch moment. So what? It was twelve years ago.
I get that the thing for SKO (and some others) is to hate every single thing that's within sniffing distance of a firebarn. You guys are entitled to that. But I'll still think you're all redasses for doing so. Anyway. As you were.
Go Cubs.
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I love as strongly as I hate, though, and while I remember all the same home runs you do it's still no less meatball to say YEA BUT HIS HOMERS CAME AT DA WRITE TIME than it is to hate him 12 years later for a major fuck up. I will love Randall Simon and Kenny Lofton forever. I never allowed an 0-6 playoff record to taint Derrek Lee or Soriano or even Mark DeRosa. There's not enough good in the Gonzalez ledger to outweigh the bad (and the bad includes him putting up a fucking 83 OPS+ over 2 1/2 seasons, not just one booted groundball) for me. If that makes me an ignorant red-ass, so be it, but I don't see how it's any less logical than you citing a few clutch hits as reason
not to hate the guy.
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Quote from: ChuckD on October 15, 2015, 02:20:01 PM
You're right, I could've phrased that better. I'm not making the argument that the guy was statistically a great Cub. Only that he did have some non-negligible contributions to the '03 team.
My favorite Cub is Andre Dawson. Statistically, he wasn't actually that good as a Cub by the time I was old enough to watch/comprehend. But he gave me some great memories so, yeah, there's a non-quantifiable/nostalgia component to weighing whether a player should get scorn/adulation.
Gonzalez was a dependable (lol, right?) defender and happened to hit some home runs in huge spots that year. And yeah, maybe they could have gotten a better shortstop. But ... they didn't. They got Lofton, Ramirez, and Simon and all three were the tits and helped the team to win the division. Nothing happens in a vacuum, so if they upgraded at SS, maybe Hendry doesn't end up making those moves with Pittsburgh and we don't outpace the Astros in 2003 and we don't have Aramis at third for the rest of the decade.
He hit the walkoff dongs during the season that Huey mentioned and I remember watching him hit the CLUTCH home run in Game 5 of the NLDS that ended up being the game winner -- those gave me a lot of joy so that stuff gets accounted for when I tally up how I feel about a guy. Yeah, he booted a gimme at a clutch moment. So what? It was twelve years ago.
I get that the thing for SKO (and some others) is to hate every single thing that's within sniffing distance of a firebarn. You guys are entitled to that. But I'll still think you're all redasses for doing so. Anyway. As you were.
Go Cubs.
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I love as strongly as I hate, though, and while I remember all the same home runs you do it's still no less meatball to say YEA BUT HIS HOMERS CAME AT DA WRITE TIME than it is to hate him 12 years later for a major fuck up. I will love Randall Simon and Kenny Lofton forever. I never allowed an 0-6 playoff record to taint Derrek Lee or Soriano or even Mark DeRosa. There's not enough good in the Gonzalez ledger to outweigh the bad (and the bad includes him putting up a fucking 83 OPS+ over 2 1/2 seasons, not just one booted groundball) for me. If that makes me an ignorant red-ass, so be it, but I don't see how it's any less logical than you citing a few clutch hits as reason not to hate the guy.
Maybe you're misunderstanding. When I say I don't hate the guy, I'm not saying I love the guy.
I just don't give a shit about him and don't see why he should be crucified in your SCORNFIELD.
Anyway, this is more time invested in considering Alex Gonzalez than is merited. Merry Scornsgiving to you.
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You're right, I could've phrased that better. I'm not making the argument that the guy was statistically a great Cub. Only that he did have some non-negligible contributions to the '03 team.
My favorite Cub is Andre Dawson. Statistically, he wasn't actually that good as a Cub by the time I was old enough to watch/comprehend. But he gave me some great memories so, yeah, there's a non-quantifiable/nostalgia component to weighing whether a player should get scorn/adulation.
Gonzalez was a dependable (lol, right?) defender and happened to hit some home runs in huge spots that year. And yeah, maybe they could have gotten a better shortstop. But ... they didn't. They got Lofton, Ramirez, and Simon and all three were the tits and helped the team to win the division. Nothing happens in a vacuum, so if they upgraded at SS, maybe Hendry doesn't end up making those moves with Pittsburgh and we don't outpace the Astros in 2003 and we don't have Aramis at third for the rest of the decade.
He hit the walkoff dongs during the season that Huey mentioned and I remember watching him hit the CLUTCH home run in Game 5 of the NLDS that ended up being the game winner -- those gave me a lot of joy so that stuff gets accounted for when I tally up how I feel about a guy. Yeah, he booted a gimme at a clutch moment. So what? It was twelve years ago.
I get that the thing for SKO (and some others) is to hate every single thing that's within sniffing distance of a firebarn. You guys are entitled to that. But I'll still think you're all redasses for doing so. Anyway. As you were.
Go Cubs.
[/Sincerity]
I love as strongly as I hate, though, and while I remember all the same home runs you do it's still no less meatball to say YEA BUT HIS HOMERS CAME AT DA WRITE TIME than it is to hate him 12 years later for a major fuck up. I will love Randall Simon and Kenny Lofton forever. I never allowed an 0-6 playoff record to taint Derrek Lee or Soriano or even Mark DeRosa. There's not enough good in the Gonzalez ledger to outweigh the bad (and the bad includes him putting up a fucking 83 OPS+ over 2 1/2 seasons, not just one booted groundball) for me. If that makes me an ignorant red-ass, so be it, but I don't see how it's any less logical than you citing a few clutch hits as reason not to hate the guy.
Maybe you're misunderstanding. When I say I don't hate the guy, I'm not saying I love the guy.
I just don't give a shit about him and don't see why he should be crucified in your SCORNFIELD.
Anyway, this is more time invested in considering Alex Gonzalez than is merited. Merry Scornsgiving to you.
Scornsgiving is a lousy secular construction my people don't care for. Now is the holy time of Rosh Hoscornah.
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 02:42:10 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 15, 2015, 02:38:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 02:26:36 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 15, 2015, 02:20:01 PM
You're right, I could've phrased that better. I'm not making the argument that the guy was statistically a great Cub. Only that he did have some non-negligible contributions to the '03 team.
My favorite Cub is Andre Dawson. Statistically, he wasn't actually that good as a Cub by the time I was old enough to watch/comprehend. But he gave me some great memories so, yeah, there's a non-quantifiable/nostalgia component to weighing whether a player should get scorn/adulation.
Gonzalez was a dependable (lol, right?) defender and happened to hit some home runs in huge spots that year. And yeah, maybe they could have gotten a better shortstop. But ... they didn't. They got Lofton, Ramirez, and Simon and all three were the tits and helped the team to win the division. Nothing happens in a vacuum, so if they upgraded at SS, maybe Hendry doesn't end up making those moves with Pittsburgh and we don't outpace the Astros in 2003 and we don't have Aramis at third for the rest of the decade.
He hit the walkoff dongs during the season that Huey mentioned and I remember watching him hit the CLUTCH home run in Game 5 of the NLDS that ended up being the game winner -- those gave me a lot of joy so that stuff gets accounted for when I tally up how I feel about a guy. Yeah, he booted a gimme at a clutch moment. So what? It was twelve years ago.
I get that the thing for SKO (and some others) is to hate every single thing that's within sniffing distance of a firebarn. You guys are entitled to that. But I'll still think you're all redasses for doing so. Anyway. As you were.
Go Cubs.
[/Sincerity]
I love as strongly as I hate, though, and while I remember all the same home runs you do it's still no less meatball to say YEA BUT HIS HOMERS CAME AT DA WRITE TIME than it is to hate him 12 years later for a major fuck up. I will love Randall Simon and Kenny Lofton forever. I never allowed an 0-6 playoff record to taint Derrek Lee or Soriano or even Mark DeRosa. There's not enough good in the Gonzalez ledger to outweigh the bad (and the bad includes him putting up a fucking 83 OPS+ over 2 1/2 seasons, not just one booted groundball) for me. If that makes me an ignorant red-ass, so be it, but I don't see how it's any less logical than you citing a few clutch hits as reason not to hate the guy.
Maybe you're misunderstanding. When I say I don't hate the guy, I'm not saying I love the guy.
I just don't give a shit about him and don't see why he should be crucified in your SCORNFIELD.
Anyway, this is more time invested in considering Alex Gonzalez than is merited. Merry Scornsgiving to you.
Scornsgiving is a lousy secular construction my people don't care for. Now is the holy time of Rosh Hoscornah.
Next topic: Cub Legend Nomar Garciaparra.
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 02:42:10 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 15, 2015, 02:38:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 02:26:36 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 15, 2015, 02:20:01 PM
You're right, I could've phrased that better. I'm not making the argument that the guy was statistically a great Cub. Only that he did have some non-negligible contributions to the '03 team.
My favorite Cub is Andre Dawson. Statistically, he wasn't actually that good as a Cub by the time I was old enough to watch/comprehend. But he gave me some great memories so, yeah, there's a non-quantifiable/nostalgia component to weighing whether a player should get scorn/adulation.
Gonzalez was a dependable (lol, right?) defender and happened to hit some home runs in huge spots that year. And yeah, maybe they could have gotten a better shortstop. But ... they didn't. They got Lofton, Ramirez, and Simon and all three were the tits and helped the team to win the division. Nothing happens in a vacuum, so if they upgraded at SS, maybe Hendry doesn't end up making those moves with Pittsburgh and we don't outpace the Astros in 2003 and we don't have Aramis at third for the rest of the decade.
He hit the walkoff dongs during the season that Huey mentioned and I remember watching him hit the CLUTCH home run in Game 5 of the NLDS that ended up being the game winner -- those gave me a lot of joy so that stuff gets accounted for when I tally up how I feel about a guy. Yeah, he booted a gimme at a clutch moment. So what? It was twelve years ago.
I get that the thing for SKO (and some others) is to hate every single thing that's within sniffing distance of a firebarn. You guys are entitled to that. But I'll still think you're all redasses for doing so. Anyway. As you were.
Go Cubs.
[/Sincerity]
I love as strongly as I hate, though, and while I remember all the same home runs you do it's still no less meatball to say YEA BUT HIS HOMERS CAME AT DA WRITE TIME than it is to hate him 12 years later for a major fuck up. I will love Randall Simon and Kenny Lofton forever. I never allowed an 0-6 playoff record to taint Derrek Lee or Soriano or even Mark DeRosa. There's not enough good in the Gonzalez ledger to outweigh the bad (and the bad includes him putting up a fucking 83 OPS+ over 2 1/2 seasons, not just one booted groundball) for me. If that makes me an ignorant red-ass, so be it, but I don't see how it's any less logical than you citing a few clutch hits as reason not to hate the guy.
Maybe you're misunderstanding. When I say I don't hate the guy, I'm not saying I love the guy.
I just don't give a shit about him and don't see why he should be crucified in your SCORNFIELD.
Anyway, this is more time invested in considering Alex Gonzalez than is merited. Merry Scornsgiving to you.
Scornsgiving is a lousy secular construction my people don't care for. Now is the holy time of Rosh Hoscornah.
Fact: The Scornucopia is the best of all holiday centerpieces.
Quote from: ChuckD on October 15, 2015, 02:46:17 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 02:42:10 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 15, 2015, 02:38:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 02:26:36 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 15, 2015, 02:20:01 PM
You're right, I could've phrased that better. I'm not making the argument that the guy was statistically a great Cub. Only that he did have some non-negligible contributions to the '03 team.
My favorite Cub is Andre Dawson. Statistically, he wasn't actually that good as a Cub by the time I was old enough to watch/comprehend. But he gave me some great memories so, yeah, there's a non-quantifiable/nostalgia component to weighing whether a player should get scorn/adulation.
Gonzalez was a dependable (lol, right?) defender and happened to hit some home runs in huge spots that year. And yeah, maybe they could have gotten a better shortstop. But ... they didn't. They got Lofton, Ramirez, and Simon and all three were the tits and helped the team to win the division. Nothing happens in a vacuum, so if they upgraded at SS, maybe Hendry doesn't end up making those moves with Pittsburgh and we don't outpace the Astros in 2003 and we don't have Aramis at third for the rest of the decade.
He hit the walkoff dongs during the season that Huey mentioned and I remember watching him hit the CLUTCH home run in Game 5 of the NLDS that ended up being the game winner -- those gave me a lot of joy so that stuff gets accounted for when I tally up how I feel about a guy. Yeah, he booted a gimme at a clutch moment. So what? It was twelve years ago.
I get that the thing for SKO (and some others) is to hate every single thing that's within sniffing distance of a firebarn. You guys are entitled to that. But I'll still think you're all redasses for doing so. Anyway. As you were.
Go Cubs.
[/Sincerity]
I love as strongly as I hate, though, and while I remember all the same home runs you do it's still no less meatball to say YEA BUT HIS HOMERS CAME AT DA WRITE TIME than it is to hate him 12 years later for a major fuck up. I will love Randall Simon and Kenny Lofton forever. I never allowed an 0-6 playoff record to taint Derrek Lee or Soriano or even Mark DeRosa. There's not enough good in the Gonzalez ledger to outweigh the bad (and the bad includes him putting up a fucking 83 OPS+ over 2 1/2 seasons, not just one booted groundball) for me. If that makes me an ignorant red-ass, so be it, but I don't see how it's any less logical than you citing a few clutch hits as reason not to hate the guy.
Maybe you're misunderstanding. When I say I don't hate the guy, I'm not saying I love the guy.
I just don't give a shit about him and don't see why he should be crucified in your SCORNFIELD.
Anyway, this is more time invested in considering Alex Gonzalez than is merited. Merry Scornsgiving to you.
Scornsgiving is a lousy secular construction my people don't care for. Now is the holy time of Rosh Hoscornah.
Fact: The Scornucopia is the best of all holiday centerpieces.
Not the Scorn of Plenty?
Quote from: flannj on October 15, 2015, 02:49:10 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 15, 2015, 02:46:17 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 02:42:10 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 15, 2015, 02:38:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 02:26:36 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 15, 2015, 02:20:01 PM
You're right, I could've phrased that better. I'm not making the argument that the guy was statistically a great Cub. Only that he did have some non-negligible contributions to the '03 team.
My favorite Cub is Andre Dawson. Statistically, he wasn't actually that good as a Cub by the time I was old enough to watch/comprehend. But he gave me some great memories so, yeah, there's a non-quantifiable/nostalgia component to weighing whether a player should get scorn/adulation.
Gonzalez was a dependable (lol, right?) defender and happened to hit some home runs in huge spots that year. And yeah, maybe they could have gotten a better shortstop. But ... they didn't. They got Lofton, Ramirez, and Simon and all three were the tits and helped the team to win the division. Nothing happens in a vacuum, so if they upgraded at SS, maybe Hendry doesn't end up making those moves with Pittsburgh and we don't outpace the Astros in 2003 and we don't have Aramis at third for the rest of the decade.
He hit the walkoff dongs during the season that Huey mentioned and I remember watching him hit the CLUTCH home run in Game 5 of the NLDS that ended up being the game winner -- those gave me a lot of joy so that stuff gets accounted for when I tally up how I feel about a guy. Yeah, he booted a gimme at a clutch moment. So what? It was twelve years ago.
I get that the thing for SKO (and some others) is to hate every single thing that's within sniffing distance of a firebarn. You guys are entitled to that. But I'll still think you're all redasses for doing so. Anyway. As you were.
Go Cubs.
[/Sincerity]
I love as strongly as I hate, though, and while I remember all the same home runs you do it's still no less meatball to say YEA BUT HIS HOMERS CAME AT DA WRITE TIME than it is to hate him 12 years later for a major fuck up. I will love Randall Simon and Kenny Lofton forever. I never allowed an 0-6 playoff record to taint Derrek Lee or Soriano or even Mark DeRosa. There's not enough good in the Gonzalez ledger to outweigh the bad (and the bad includes him putting up a fucking 83 OPS+ over 2 1/2 seasons, not just one booted groundball) for me. If that makes me an ignorant red-ass, so be it, but I don't see how it's any less logical than you citing a few clutch hits as reason not to hate the guy.
Maybe you're misunderstanding. When I say I don't hate the guy, I'm not saying I love the guy.
I just don't give a shit about him and don't see why he should be crucified in your SCORNFIELD.
Anyway, this is more time invested in considering Alex Gonzalez than is merited. Merry Scornsgiving to you.
Scornsgiving is a lousy secular construction my people don't care for. Now is the holy time of Rosh Hoscornah.
Fact: The Scornucopia is the best of all holiday centerpieces.
Not the Scorn of Plenty?
I'm partial to the menscornah, which we light every winter in memory of the time we kept the Snork firebarn burning for years despite a seeming lack of fuel, until the day came when all of our most fervent rage was rewarded a thousand times over. It was a true Scornukkah miracle.
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 02:53:50 PM
Quote from: flannj on October 15, 2015, 02:49:10 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 15, 2015, 02:46:17 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 02:42:10 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 15, 2015, 02:38:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 02:26:36 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 15, 2015, 02:20:01 PM
You're right, I could've phrased that better. I'm not making the argument that the guy was statistically a great Cub. Only that he did have some non-negligible contributions to the '03 team.
My favorite Cub is Andre Dawson. Statistically, he wasn't actually that good as a Cub by the time I was old enough to watch/comprehend. But he gave me some great memories so, yeah, there's a non-quantifiable/nostalgia component to weighing whether a player should get scorn/adulation.
Gonzalez was a dependable (lol, right?) defender and happened to hit some home runs in huge spots that year. And yeah, maybe they could have gotten a better shortstop. But ... they didn't. They got Lofton, Ramirez, and Simon and all three were the tits and helped the team to win the division. Nothing happens in a vacuum, so if they upgraded at SS, maybe Hendry doesn't end up making those moves with Pittsburgh and we don't outpace the Astros in 2003 and we don't have Aramis at third for the rest of the decade.
He hit the walkoff dongs during the season that Huey mentioned and I remember watching him hit the CLUTCH home run in Game 5 of the NLDS that ended up being the game winner -- those gave me a lot of joy so that stuff gets accounted for when I tally up how I feel about a guy. Yeah, he booted a gimme at a clutch moment. So what? It was twelve years ago.
I get that the thing for SKO (and some others) is to hate every single thing that's within sniffing distance of a firebarn. You guys are entitled to that. But I'll still think you're all redasses for doing so. Anyway. As you were.
Go Cubs.
[/Sincerity]
I love as strongly as I hate, though, and while I remember all the same home runs you do it's still no less meatball to say YEA BUT HIS HOMERS CAME AT DA WRITE TIME than it is to hate him 12 years later for a major fuck up. I will love Randall Simon and Kenny Lofton forever. I never allowed an 0-6 playoff record to taint Derrek Lee or Soriano or even Mark DeRosa. There's not enough good in the Gonzalez ledger to outweigh the bad (and the bad includes him putting up a fucking 83 OPS+ over 2 1/2 seasons, not just one booted groundball) for me. If that makes me an ignorant red-ass, so be it, but I don't see how it's any less logical than you citing a few clutch hits as reason not to hate the guy.
Maybe you're misunderstanding. When I say I don't hate the guy, I'm not saying I love the guy.
I just don't give a shit about him and don't see why he should be crucified in your SCORNFIELD.
Anyway, this is more time invested in considering Alex Gonzalez than is merited. Merry Scornsgiving to you.
Scornsgiving is a lousy secular construction my people don't care for. Now is the holy time of Rosh Hoscornah.
Fact: The Scornucopia is the best of all holiday centerpieces.
Not the Scorn of Plenty?
I'm partial to the menscornah, which we light every winter in memory of the time we kept the Snork firebarn burning for years despite a seeming lack of fuel, until the day came when all of our most fervent rage was rewarded a thousand times over. It was a true Scornukkah miracle.
We just hang two ears of Indian Scorn on our front door for the season.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 15, 2015, 02:43:45 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 02:42:10 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 15, 2015, 02:38:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 02:26:36 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 15, 2015, 02:20:01 PM
You're right, I could've phrased that better. I'm not making the argument that the guy was statistically a great Cub. Only that he did have some non-negligible contributions to the '03 team.
My favorite Cub is Andre Dawson. Statistically, he wasn't actually that good as a Cub by the time I was old enough to watch/comprehend. But he gave me some great memories so, yeah, there's a non-quantifiable/nostalgia component to weighing whether a player should get scorn/adulation.
Gonzalez was a dependable (lol, right?) defender and happened to hit some home runs in huge spots that year. And yeah, maybe they could have gotten a better shortstop. But ... they didn't. They got Lofton, Ramirez, and Simon and all three were the tits and helped the team to win the division. Nothing happens in a vacuum, so if they upgraded at SS, maybe Hendry doesn't end up making those moves with Pittsburgh and we don't outpace the Astros in 2003 and we don't have Aramis at third for the rest of the decade.
He hit the walkoff dongs during the season that Huey mentioned and I remember watching him hit the CLUTCH home run in Game 5 of the NLDS that ended up being the game winner -- those gave me a lot of joy so that stuff gets accounted for when I tally up how I feel about a guy. Yeah, he booted a gimme at a clutch moment. So what? It was twelve years ago.
I get that the thing for SKO (and some others) is to hate every single thing that's within sniffing distance of a firebarn. You guys are entitled to that. But I'll still think you're all redasses for doing so. Anyway. As you were.
Go Cubs.
[/Sincerity]
I love as strongly as I hate, though, and while I remember all the same home runs you do it's still no less meatball to say YEA BUT HIS HOMERS CAME AT DA WRITE TIME than it is to hate him 12 years later for a major fuck up. I will love Randall Simon and Kenny Lofton forever. I never allowed an 0-6 playoff record to taint Derrek Lee or Soriano or even Mark DeRosa. There's not enough good in the Gonzalez ledger to outweigh the bad (and the bad includes him putting up a fucking 83 OPS+ over 2 1/2 seasons, not just one booted groundball) for me. If that makes me an ignorant red-ass, so be it, but I don't see how it's any less logical than you citing a few clutch hits as reason not to hate the guy.
Maybe you're misunderstanding. When I say I don't hate the guy, I'm not saying I love the guy.
I just don't give a shit about him and don't see why he should be crucified in your SCORNFIELD.
Anyway, this is more time invested in considering Alex Gonzalez than is merited. Merry Scornsgiving to you.
Scornsgiving is a lousy secular construction my people don't care for. Now is the holy time of Rosh Hoscornah.
Next topic: Cub Legend Nomar Garciaparra.
Don't get me started. The memories I have of Nomar hurt almost worse than the 2003 thing.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 15, 2015, 02:54:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 02:53:50 PM
Quote from: flannj on October 15, 2015, 02:49:10 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 15, 2015, 02:46:17 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 02:42:10 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 15, 2015, 02:38:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 02:26:36 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 15, 2015, 02:20:01 PM
You're right, I could've phrased that better. I'm not making the argument that the guy was statistically a great Cub. Only that he did have some non-negligible contributions to the '03 team.
My favorite Cub is Andre Dawson. Statistically, he wasn't actually that good as a Cub by the time I was old enough to watch/comprehend. But he gave me some great memories so, yeah, there's a non-quantifiable/nostalgia component to weighing whether a player should get scorn/adulation.
Gonzalez was a dependable (lol, right?) defender and happened to hit some home runs in huge spots that year. And yeah, maybe they could have gotten a better shortstop. But ... they didn't. They got Lofton, Ramirez, and Simon and all three were the tits and helped the team to win the division. Nothing happens in a vacuum, so if they upgraded at SS, maybe Hendry doesn't end up making those moves with Pittsburgh and we don't outpace the Astros in 2003 and we don't have Aramis at third for the rest of the decade.
He hit the walkoff dongs during the season that Huey mentioned and I remember watching him hit the CLUTCH home run in Game 5 of the NLDS that ended up being the game winner -- those gave me a lot of joy so that stuff gets accounted for when I tally up how I feel about a guy. Yeah, he booted a gimme at a clutch moment. So what? It was twelve years ago.
I get that the thing for SKO (and some others) is to hate every single thing that's within sniffing distance of a firebarn. You guys are entitled to that. But I'll still think you're all redasses for doing so. Anyway. As you were.
Go Cubs.
[/Sincerity]
I love as strongly as I hate, though, and while I remember all the same home runs you do it's still no less meatball to say YEA BUT HIS HOMERS CAME AT DA WRITE TIME than it is to hate him 12 years later for a major fuck up. I will love Randall Simon and Kenny Lofton forever. I never allowed an 0-6 playoff record to taint Derrek Lee or Soriano or even Mark DeRosa. There's not enough good in the Gonzalez ledger to outweigh the bad (and the bad includes him putting up a fucking 83 OPS+ over 2 1/2 seasons, not just one booted groundball) for me. If that makes me an ignorant red-ass, so be it, but I don't see how it's any less logical than you citing a few clutch hits as reason not to hate the guy.
Maybe you're misunderstanding. When I say I don't hate the guy, I'm not saying I love the guy.
I just don't give a shit about him and don't see why he should be crucified in your SCORNFIELD.
Anyway, this is more time invested in considering Alex Gonzalez than is merited. Merry Scornsgiving to you.
Scornsgiving is a lousy secular construction my people don't care for. Now is the holy time of Rosh Hoscornah.
Fact: The Scornucopia is the best of all holiday centerpieces.
Not the Scorn of Plenty?
I'm partial to the menscornah, which we light every winter in memory of the time we kept the Snork firebarn burning for years despite a seeming lack of fuel, until the day came when all of our most fervent rage was rewarded a thousand times over. It was a true Scornukkah miracle.
We just hang two ears of Indian Scorn on our front door for the season.
I laughed harder than I ever thought possible at this Chork joke. Dammit.
Quote from: CT III on October 15, 2015, 02:55:38 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 15, 2015, 02:43:45 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 02:42:10 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 15, 2015, 02:38:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 02:26:36 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 15, 2015, 02:20:01 PM
You're right, I could've phrased that better. I'm not making the argument that the guy was statistically a great Cub. Only that he did have some non-negligible contributions to the '03 team.
My favorite Cub is Andre Dawson. Statistically, he wasn't actually that good as a Cub by the time I was old enough to watch/comprehend. But he gave me some great memories so, yeah, there's a non-quantifiable/nostalgia component to weighing whether a player should get scorn/adulation.
Gonzalez was a dependable (lol, right?) defender and happened to hit some home runs in huge spots that year. And yeah, maybe they could have gotten a better shortstop. But ... they didn't. They got Lofton, Ramirez, and Simon and all three were the tits and helped the team to win the division. Nothing happens in a vacuum, so if they upgraded at SS, maybe Hendry doesn't end up making those moves with Pittsburgh and we don't outpace the Astros in 2003 and we don't have Aramis at third for the rest of the decade.
He hit the walkoff dongs during the season that Huey mentioned and I remember watching him hit the CLUTCH home run in Game 5 of the NLDS that ended up being the game winner -- those gave me a lot of joy so that stuff gets accounted for when I tally up how I feel about a guy. Yeah, he booted a gimme at a clutch moment. So what? It was twelve years ago.
I get that the thing for SKO (and some others) is to hate every single thing that's within sniffing distance of a firebarn. You guys are entitled to that. But I'll still think you're all redasses for doing so. Anyway. As you were.
Go Cubs.
[/Sincerity]
I love as strongly as I hate, though, and while I remember all the same home runs you do it's still no less meatball to say YEA BUT HIS HOMERS CAME AT DA WRITE TIME than it is to hate him 12 years later for a major fuck up. I will love Randall Simon and Kenny Lofton forever. I never allowed an 0-6 playoff record to taint Derrek Lee or Soriano or even Mark DeRosa. There's not enough good in the Gonzalez ledger to outweigh the bad (and the bad includes him putting up a fucking 83 OPS+ over 2 1/2 seasons, not just one booted groundball) for me. If that makes me an ignorant red-ass, so be it, but I don't see how it's any less logical than you citing a few clutch hits as reason not to hate the guy.
Maybe you're misunderstanding. When I say I don't hate the guy, I'm not saying I love the guy.
I just don't give a shit about him and don't see why he should be crucified in your SCORNFIELD.
Anyway, this is more time invested in considering Alex Gonzalez than is merited. Merry Scornsgiving to you.
Scornsgiving is a lousy secular construction my people don't care for. Now is the holy time of Rosh Hoscornah.
Next topic: Cub Legend Nomar Garciaparra.
Don't get me started. The memories I have of Nomar hurt almost worse than the 2003 thing Nomar's tattered groin muscle.
Quote from: ChuckD on October 15, 2015, 03:43:07 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 15, 2015, 02:55:38 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 15, 2015, 02:43:45 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 02:42:10 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 15, 2015, 02:38:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 02:26:36 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 15, 2015, 02:20:01 PM
You're right, I could've phrased that better. I'm not making the argument that the guy was statistically a great Cub. Only that he did have some non-negligible contributions to the '03 team.
My favorite Cub is Andre Dawson. Statistically, he wasn't actually that good as a Cub by the time I was old enough to watch/comprehend. But he gave me some great memories so, yeah, there's a non-quantifiable/nostalgia component to weighing whether a player should get scorn/adulation.
Gonzalez was a dependable (lol, right?) defender and happened to hit some home runs in huge spots that year. And yeah, maybe they could have gotten a better shortstop. But ... they didn't. They got Lofton, Ramirez, and Simon and all three were the tits and helped the team to win the division. Nothing happens in a vacuum, so if they upgraded at SS, maybe Hendry doesn't end up making those moves with Pittsburgh and we don't outpace the Astros in 2003 and we don't have Aramis at third for the rest of the decade.
He hit the walkoff dongs during the season that Huey mentioned and I remember watching him hit the CLUTCH home run in Game 5 of the NLDS that ended up being the game winner -- those gave me a lot of joy so that stuff gets accounted for when I tally up how I feel about a guy. Yeah, he booted a gimme at a clutch moment. So what? It was twelve years ago.
I get that the thing for SKO (and some others) is to hate every single thing that's within sniffing distance of a firebarn. You guys are entitled to that. But I'll still think you're all redasses for doing so. Anyway. As you were.
Go Cubs.
[/Sincerity]
I love as strongly as I hate, though, and while I remember all the same home runs you do it's still no less meatball to say YEA BUT HIS HOMERS CAME AT DA WRITE TIME than it is to hate him 12 years later for a major fuck up. I will love Randall Simon and Kenny Lofton forever. I never allowed an 0-6 playoff record to taint Derrek Lee or Soriano or even Mark DeRosa. There's not enough good in the Gonzalez ledger to outweigh the bad (and the bad includes him putting up a fucking 83 OPS+ over 2 1/2 seasons, not just one booted groundball) for me. If that makes me an ignorant red-ass, so be it, but I don't see how it's any less logical than you citing a few clutch hits as reason not to hate the guy.
Maybe you're misunderstanding. When I say I don't hate the guy, I'm not saying I love the guy.
I just don't give a shit about him and don't see why he should be crucified in your SCORNFIELD.
Anyway, this is more time invested in considering Alex Gonzalez than is merited. Merry Scornsgiving to you.
Scornsgiving is a lousy secular construction my people don't care for. Now is the holy time of Rosh Hoscornah.
Next topic: Cub Legend Nomar Garciaparra.
Don't get me started. The memories I have of Nomar hurt almost worse than the 2003 thing Nomar's tattered groin muscle.
My family was on a weekend trip to Six Flags when the news of that trade broke. It was all over local news and ESPN in the hotel. I couldn't wait to get home and update my MVP 2004 roster just to see that lineup in action. Sigh.
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 01:54:26 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 15, 2015, 01:53:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 01:50:55 PM
This hurts depth but I can't see it mattering that much in a short series, agree that Russell is a more fundamentally sound defensive SS although Javy is certainly capable of some amazing plays. Javy's bat is probably better right now, and lord knows whatever hits he does get will be ones that count for something.
It probably means we see Johnny Buckets on the NLCS roster?
I doubt it. I'd add another pitcher. Javy and Starlin can both play short and second and La Stella and Coghlan can play 2B. Really don't think another middle infielder is necessary.
They definitely need another pitcher. Especially if Hammel's starts are essentially bullpen games.
Quote from: Tony on October 15, 2015, 04:01:38 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 01:54:26 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 15, 2015, 01:53:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 01:50:55 PM
This hurts depth but I can't see it mattering that much in a short series, agree that Russell is a more fundamentally sound defensive SS although Javy is certainly capable of some amazing plays. Javy's bat is probably better right now, and lord knows whatever hits he does get will be ones that count for something.
It probably means we see Johnny Buckets on the NLCS roster?
I doubt it. I'd add another pitcher. Javy and Starlin can both play short and second and La Stella and Coghlan can play 2B. Really don't think another middle infielder is necessary.
They definitely need another pitcher. Especially if Hammel's starts are essentially bullpen games.
Can it be Kershaw or Degrom? Whichever doesn't make it to the NLCS.
Quote from: Oleg on October 15, 2015, 04:03:32 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 15, 2015, 04:01:38 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 01:54:26 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 15, 2015, 01:53:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 01:50:55 PM
This hurts depth but I can't see it mattering that much in a short series, agree that Russell is a more fundamentally sound defensive SS although Javy is certainly capable of some amazing plays. Javy's bat is probably better right now, and lord knows whatever hits he does get will be ones that count for something.
It probably means we see Johnny Buckets on the NLCS roster?
I doubt it. I'd add another pitcher. Javy and Starlin can both play short and second and La Stella and Coghlan can play 2B. Really don't think another middle infielder is necessary.
They definitely need another pitcher. Especially if Hammel's starts are essentially bullpen games.
Can it be Kershaw or Degrom? Whichever doesn't make it to the NLCS.
No, but it could be another pitcher with long hair and a bad beard.
Quote from: Tony on October 15, 2015, 04:05:40 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 15, 2015, 04:03:32 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 15, 2015, 04:01:38 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 01:54:26 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 15, 2015, 01:53:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 01:50:55 PM
This hurts depth but I can't see it mattering that much in a short series, agree that Russell is a more fundamentally sound defensive SS although Javy is certainly capable of some amazing plays. Javy's bat is probably better right now, and lord knows whatever hits he does get will be ones that count for something.
It probably means we see Johnny Buckets on the NLCS roster?
I doubt it. I'd add another pitcher. Javy and Starlin can both play short and second and La Stella and Coghlan can play 2B. Really don't think another middle infielder is necessary.
They definitely need another pitcher. Especially if Hammel's starts are essentially bullpen games.
Can it be Kershaw or Degrom? Whichever doesn't make it to the NLCS.
No, but it could be another pitcher with long hair and a bad beard.
James Russell?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 15, 2015, 04:06:22 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 15, 2015, 04:05:40 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 15, 2015, 04:03:32 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 15, 2015, 04:01:38 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 01:54:26 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 15, 2015, 01:53:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 01:50:55 PM
This hurts depth but I can't see it mattering that much in a short series, agree that Russell is a more fundamentally sound defensive SS although Javy is certainly capable of some amazing plays. Javy's bat is probably better right now, and lord knows whatever hits he does get will be ones that count for something.
It probably means we see Johnny Buckets on the NLCS roster?
I doubt it. I'd add another pitcher. Javy and Starlin can both play short and second and La Stella and Coghlan can play 2B. Really don't think another middle infielder is necessary.
They definitely need another pitcher. Especially if Hammel's starts are essentially bullpen games.
Can it be Kershaw or Degrom? Whichever doesn't make it to the NLCS.
No, but it could be another pitcher with long hair and a bad beard.
James Russell?
Oh man... I forgot how many hairy pitchers we've gone through.
Quote from: Tony on October 15, 2015, 04:08:06 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 15, 2015, 04:06:22 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 15, 2015, 04:05:40 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 15, 2015, 04:03:32 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 15, 2015, 04:01:38 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 01:54:26 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 15, 2015, 01:53:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 01:50:55 PM
This hurts depth but I can't see it mattering that much in a short series, agree that Russell is a more fundamentally sound defensive SS although Javy is certainly capable of some amazing plays. Javy's bat is probably better right now, and lord knows whatever hits he does get will be ones that count for something.
It probably means we see Johnny Buckets on the NLCS roster?
I doubt it. I'd add another pitcher. Javy and Starlin can both play short and second and La Stella and Coghlan can play 2B. Really don't think another middle infielder is necessary.
They definitely need another pitcher. Especially if Hammel's starts are essentially bullpen games.
Can it be Kershaw or Degrom? Whichever doesn't make it to the NLCS.
No, but it could be another pitcher with long hair and a bad beard.
James Russell?
Oh man... I forgot how many hairy pitchers we've gone through.
(http://i.imgur.com/ReyC2HZ.jpg)
Quote from: PenFoe on October 15, 2015, 04:11:37 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 15, 2015, 04:08:06 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 15, 2015, 04:06:22 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 15, 2015, 04:05:40 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 15, 2015, 04:03:32 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 15, 2015, 04:01:38 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 01:54:26 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 15, 2015, 01:53:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 01:50:55 PM
This hurts depth but I can't see it mattering that much in a short series, agree that Russell is a more fundamentally sound defensive SS although Javy is certainly capable of some amazing plays. Javy's bat is probably better right now, and lord knows whatever hits he does get will be ones that count for something.
It probably means we see Johnny Buckets on the NLCS roster?
I doubt it. I'd add another pitcher. Javy and Starlin can both play short and second and La Stella and Coghlan can play 2B. Really don't think another middle infielder is necessary.
They definitely need another pitcher. Especially if Hammel's starts are essentially bullpen games.
Can it be Kershaw or Degrom? Whichever doesn't make it to the NLCS.
No, but it could be another pitcher with long hair and a bad beard.
James Russell?
Oh man... I forgot how many hairy pitchers we've gone through.
(http://i.imgur.com/ReyC2HZ.jpg)
...we had
Jesus?
Quote from: PenFoe on October 15, 2015, 04:11:37 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 15, 2015, 04:08:06 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 15, 2015, 04:06:22 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 15, 2015, 04:05:40 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 15, 2015, 04:03:32 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 15, 2015, 04:01:38 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 01:54:26 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 15, 2015, 01:53:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 15, 2015, 01:50:55 PM
This hurts depth but I can't see it mattering that much in a short series, agree that Russell is a more fundamentally sound defensive SS although Javy is certainly capable of some amazing plays. Javy's bat is probably better right now, and lord knows whatever hits he does get will be ones that count for something.
It probably means we see Johnny Buckets on the NLCS roster?
I doubt it. I'd add another pitcher. Javy and Starlin can both play short and second and La Stella and Coghlan can play 2B. Really don't think another middle infielder is necessary.
They definitely need another pitcher. Especially if Hammel's starts are essentially bullpen games.
Can it be Kershaw or Degrom? Whichever doesn't make it to the NLCS.
No, but it could be another pitcher with long hair and a bad beard.
James Russell?
Oh man... I forgot how many hairy pitchers we've gone through.
(http://i.imgur.com/ReyC2HZ.jpg)
I wasn't going to say it, but I guess if I had we wouldn't be seeing that picture, so I guess I should have. Ew.
It's weird how, in our moment of triumph, we reflect so much on past failures. I can't blame us, I think the heartache is what gives meaning to the joy we'll feel if and when they win. I actually kind of hate how, in the media, the discussion has to be about those past failures, though. I keep worrying that somehow it's going to bleed through into the mindsets of the current team, since they keep getting asked question after question about it.
But I have faith that they'll get as far as their ability carries them. I don't think they're going to lose via stupid fuck-ups, even as we are reminded that stupid post-season fuck-ups are hardly just a Cubs thing. That remains my one hope for the playoffs -- piss me off by failing to execute, just don't break my heart by blowing it.
Quote from: Tony on October 15, 2015, 04:08:06 PM
Oh man... I forgot how many hairy pitchers we've gone through.
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Quote from: PenFoe on October 15, 2015, 04:42:15 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 15, 2015, 04:08:06 PM
Oh man... I forgot how many hairy pitchers we've gone through.
(http://m.mlb.com/assets/images/3/6/8/141443368/cuts/danharen1280_q4bztf7z_4gwn1xze.jpg)
OK so they've all been hairy. I was thinking of this one.
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Quote from: Tony on October 15, 2015, 04:49:41 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 15, 2015, 04:42:15 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 15, 2015, 04:08:06 PM
Oh man... I forgot how many hairy pitchers we've gone through.
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OK so they've all been hairy.
Not hairy:
Rafael Soriano
Clayton Richard
Tsuyoshi Wada
Kyle Hendricks
Zach Rosscup
Yoervis Medina
That's the whole list.
Quote from: ChuckD on October 15, 2015, 10:08:00 AM
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1 typo. ONE fucking typo in that heartfelt post.
I've never felt more like Leon Durham.
SQDPD
Actually I flat-out dropped the 3rd out in the 5th inning of what was to be Codys' first playoff victory ever, allowing the tying run to score, on a perfectly hard throw from Slaky from third base, after having a nearly flawless season playing 1st for several years. My team (and myself) thankfully picked me up the next time we batted--and we won handily-- but I would have to say I never felt more like Leon Durham at that point.
You know, when the Cubs win this whole fucking thing, whether this year or at some point in the very near future, I hope they bring guys like Durham and Gonzalez back so they get the appreciation they deserve instead of being remembered for an error at a horrible time.
What fucking appreciation does Alex Gonzalez deserve? He was worth a whopping 2.1 fWAR in 2 1/2 seasons as a Cub and he botched a double play ball to send them to the fucking world series. I don't care if they win 10 titles, he deserves nothing but scorn forever.
Durham seems like a cool dude who deserved better, though.
Durham was my favorite player who was a fine glove man.
Not a big Gonzalez fan but the guy did hit a handful of walkoffs in '03. Considering that the Cubs clinched the division on the second-to-last day of the season, I'd say he contributed.
Man, I forgot about that. I can't find a way to get a count of walkoffs, but he went 6 for 10 in extra innings that year with 3 HR.
Looks like it was three, according to Baseball Reference:
5/4: solo HR off of Steve Reed (5-4 over the Rockies)
5/10: solo HR off of Cal Eldred (3-2 over the Cardinals)
7/5: bases loaded single off of Esteban Yan (6-5 over the Cardinals)
Mets broadcast is already talking about 1969, claiming "they still haven't gotten over it on the North Side, so all the pressure will be on Chicago." I feel pretty comfortable guaranteeing that not one individual in that Cubs clubhouse gives one green shit about 1969.
Game 1: Jon Lester vs. Matt Harvey
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 15, 2015, 10:28:34 PM
Mets broadcast is already talking about 1969, claiming "they still haven't gotten over it on the North Side, so all the pressure will be on Chicago." I feel pretty comfortable guaranteeing that not one individual in that Cubs clubhouse gives one green shit about 1969.
Awww, that's so adorable. The Yankees are bad enough that the Mets are relevant in New York for a hot minute and now they're ready to put on the big boy pants and act like there's a rivalry?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 15, 2015, 10:38:17 PM
Game 1: Jon Lester vs. Matt Harvey
Nice of Collins to burn Syndergaard instead of using one of his regular bullpen guys for the 7th tonight.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 16, 2015, 03:57:47 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 15, 2015, 10:38:17 PM
Game 1: Jon Lester vs. Matt Harvey
Nice of Collins to burn Syndergaard instead of using one of his regular bullpen guys for the 7th tonight.
He warmed up in the 2nd, 3rd, 5th, and 6th innings. He threw damn near an entire game's worth of pitches, and then threw max effort fastballs all through the 7th. Hopefully that leaves him a tad fatigued for game 2.
Quote from: SKO on October 16, 2015, 07:20:38 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 16, 2015, 03:57:47 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 15, 2015, 10:38:17 PM
Game 1: Jon Lester vs. Matt Harvey
Nice of Collins to burn Syndergaard instead of using one of his regular bullpen guys for the 7th tonight.
He warmed up in the 2nd, 3rd, 5th, and 6th innings. He threw damn near an entire game's worth of pitches, and then threw max effort fastballs all through the 7th. Hopefully that leaves him a tad fatigued for game 2.
I suppose it's also worth mentioning that most of their young pitchers have thrown way more innings this year than ever before in their careers.
he said, ignoring that the same could be said of Arrieta.
Quote from: SKO on October 16, 2015, 07:20:38 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 16, 2015, 03:57:47 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 15, 2015, 10:38:17 PM
Game 1: Jon Lester vs. Matt Harvey
Nice of Collins to burn Syndergaard instead of using one of his regular bullpen guys for the 7th tonight.
He warmed up in the 2nd, 3rd, 5th, and 6th innings. He threw damn near an entire game's worth of pitches, and then threw max effort fastballs all through the 7th. Hopefully that leaves him a tad fatigued for game 2.
Damn, if he's going on 2 days rest in G2 I'd almost want Hendricks going instead of Jake.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 15, 2015, 10:28:34 PM
Mets broadcast is already talking about 1969, claiming "they still haven't gotten over it on the North Side, so all the pressure will be on Chicago." I feel pretty comfortable guaranteeing that not one individual in that Cubs clubhouse gives one green shit about 1969.
Not inside the Cubs clubhouse, but it does seem like there are plenty of old-man fans who apparently aren't over it.
Quote from: Eli on October 16, 2015, 08:58:01 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 15, 2015, 10:28:34 PM
Mets broadcast is already talking about 1969, claiming "they still haven't gotten over it on the North Side, so all the pressure will be on Chicago." I feel pretty comfortable guaranteeing that not one individual in that Cubs clubhouse gives one green shit about 1969.
Not inside the Cubs clubhouse, but it does seem like there are plenty of old-man fans who apparently aren't over it.
As long as none of those old-man fans needs to play SS, we're good.
Quote from: Oleg on October 16, 2015, 09:21:56 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 16, 2015, 08:58:01 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 15, 2015, 10:28:34 PM
Mets broadcast is already talking about 1969, claiming "they still haven't gotten over it on the North Side, so all the pressure will be on Chicago." I feel pretty comfortable guaranteeing that not one individual in that Cubs clubhouse gives one green shit about 1969.
Not inside the Cubs clubhouse, but it does seem like there are plenty of old-man fans who apparently aren't over it.
As long as none of those old-man fans needs to play SS, we're good.
Cubs fans in general just aren't over most of their history and we all know we won't be until they actually pull this thing off. Those kids don't give a shit, though.
Quote from: SKO on October 16, 2015, 09:27:10 AM
Quote from: Oleg on October 16, 2015, 09:21:56 AM
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 15, 2015, 10:28:34 PM
Mets broadcast is already talking about 1969, claiming "they still haven't gotten over it on the North Side, so all the pressure will be on Chicago." I feel pretty comfortable guaranteeing that not one individual in that Cubs clubhouse gives one green shit about 1969.
Not inside the Cubs clubhouse, but it does seem like there are plenty of old-man fans who apparently aren't over it.
As long as none of those old-man fans needs to play SS, we're good.
Cubs fans in general just aren't over most of their history and we all know we won't be until they actually pull this thing off. Those kids don't give a shit, though.
I get that, but why aren't there any fans that wanted to "exorcise the demons" that came from the Dodgers sweep in '08?
Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2015, 09:29:00 AM
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 15, 2015, 10:28:34 PM
Mets broadcast is already talking about 1969, claiming "they still haven't gotten over it on the North Side, so all the pressure will be on Chicago." I feel pretty comfortable guaranteeing that not one individual in that Cubs clubhouse gives one green shit about 1969.
Not inside the Cubs clubhouse, but it does seem like there are plenty of old-man fans who apparently aren't over it.
As long as none of those old-man fans needs to play SS, we're good.
Cubs fans in general just aren't over most of their history and we all know we won't be until they actually pull this thing off. Those kids don't give a shit, though.
I get that, but why aren't there any fans that wanted to "exorcise the demons" that came from the Dodgers sweep in '08?
Huey does. By killing DeRosa and Dempster. Literally.
Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2015, 09:29:00 AM
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 15, 2015, 10:28:34 PM
Mets broadcast is already talking about 1969, claiming "they still haven't gotten over it on the North Side, so all the pressure will be on Chicago." I feel pretty comfortable guaranteeing that not one individual in that Cubs clubhouse gives one green shit about 1969.
Not inside the Cubs clubhouse, but it does seem like there are plenty of old-man fans who apparently aren't over it.
As long as none of those old-man fans needs to play SS, we're good.
Cubs fans in general just aren't over most of their history and we all know we won't be until they actually pull this thing off. Those kids don't give a shit, though.
I get that, but why aren't there any fans that wanted to "exorcise the demons" that came from the Dodgers sweep in '08?
Speaking for myself, I try my best to not even think about that team and leave the '69 Cubs-like knob-slobbering of the DeRosas and the Dempsters to the PenFoes of this world.
Quote from: Oleg on October 16, 2015, 09:30:27 AM
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 15, 2015, 10:28:34 PM
Mets broadcast is already talking about 1969, claiming "they still haven't gotten over it on the North Side, so all the pressure will be on Chicago." I feel pretty comfortable guaranteeing that not one individual in that Cubs clubhouse gives one green shit about 1969.
Not inside the Cubs clubhouse, but it does seem like there are plenty of old-man fans who apparently aren't over it.
As long as none of those old-man fans needs to play SS, we're good.
Cubs fans in general just aren't over most of their history and we all know we won't be until they actually pull this thing off. Those kids don't give a shit, though.
I get that, but why aren't there any fans that wanted to "exorcise the demons" that came from the Dodgers sweep in '08?
Huey does. By killing DeRosa and Dempster. Literally.
If I could use some ShoutBox lexicon (moment of silence), I believe I've sorta done been FACED.
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 15, 2015, 10:28:34 PM
Mets broadcast is already talking about 1969, claiming "they still haven't gotten over it on the North Side, so all the pressure will be on Chicago." I feel pretty comfortable guaranteeing that not one individual in that Cubs clubhouse gives one green shit about 1969.
Not inside the Cubs clubhouse, but it does seem like there are plenty of old-man fans who apparently aren't over it.
As long as none of those old-man fans needs to play SS, we're good.
Cubs fans in general just aren't over most of their history and we all know we won't be until they actually pull this thing off. Those kids don't give a shit, though.
I get that, but why aren't there any fans that wanted to "exorcise the demons" that came from the Dodgers sweep in '08?
Huey does. By killing DeRosa and Dempster. Literally.
If I could use some ShoutBox lexicon (moment of silence), I believe I've sorta done been FACED.
This was somewhat satisfying for me.
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Mets broadcast is already talking about 1969, claiming "they still haven't gotten over it on the North Side, so all the pressure will be on Chicago." I feel pretty comfortable guaranteeing that not one individual in that Cubs clubhouse gives one green shit about 1969.
Not inside the Cubs clubhouse, but it does seem like there are plenty of old-man fans who apparently aren't over it.
As long as none of those old-man fans needs to play SS, we're good.
Cubs fans in general just aren't over most of their history and we all know we won't be until they actually pull this thing off. Those kids don't give a shit, though.
I get that, but why aren't there any fans that wanted to "exorcise the demons" that came from the Dodgers sweep in '08?
Because getting your ass soundly kicked is somehow more bearable than an epic collapse? The 69 Cubs seemingly had it in the bag, whereas the 2008 Cubs just got the shit kicked out of them in the playoffs. One feels like another tragic chapter in the history of a starcrossed franchise and one feels like "welp, playoffs."
I know if I had my choice I'd want to destroy the Marlins and burn that franchise and city to the ground, then chug kerosene as I pissed upon the flames if we're really talking about which demons we want to exorcise most.
Quote from: SKO on October 16, 2015, 09:36:09 AM
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Quote from: Oleg on October 16, 2015, 09:21:56 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 16, 2015, 08:58:01 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 15, 2015, 10:28:34 PM
Mets broadcast is already talking about 1969, claiming "they still haven't gotten over it on the North Side, so all the pressure will be on Chicago." I feel pretty comfortable guaranteeing that not one individual in that Cubs clubhouse gives one green shit about 1969.
Not inside the Cubs clubhouse, but it does seem like there are plenty of old-man fans who apparently aren't over it.
As long as none of those old-man fans needs to play SS, we're good.
Cubs fans in general just aren't over most of their history and we all know we won't be until they actually pull this thing off. Those kids don't give a shit, though.
I get that, but why aren't there any fans that wanted to "exorcise the demons" that came from the Dodgers sweep in '08?
Because getting your ass soundly kicked is somehow more bearable than an epic collapse? The 69 Cubs seemingly had it in the bag, whereas the 2008 Cubs just got the shit kicked out of them in the playoffs. One feels like another tragic chapter in the history of a starcrossed franchise and one feels like "welp, playoffs."
I know if I had my choice I'd want to destroy the Marlins and burn that franchise and city to the ground, then chug kerosene as I pissed upon the flames if we're really talking about which demons we want to exorcise most.
For me it's San Diego. 2003 hurt worse because I was only 8 in '84 and didn't get it yet, but fuck that city. I went there once and it was rainy and in the 60's the entire weekend. Best weather my ass.
Quote from: SKO on October 16, 2015, 09:27:10 AM
Cubs fans in general just aren't over most of their history and we all know we won't be until they actually pull this thing off. Those kids don't give a shit, though.
Quote from: Eli on October 16, 2015, 08:58:01 AM
Not inside the Cubs clubhouse, but it does seem like there are plenty of old-man fans who apparently aren't over it.
I'm sure it's difficult for old people to get over. I have a hard time getting over it, and I wasn't even born. The Cubs had a 9-game lead and and four Hall-of-Famers, none of whom ever played or would play in a World Series. It was their best shot at the World Series, and while we can for now avoid talk about how the NLCS with Atlanta or the World Series with Baltimore might have gone, this team will haunt Cubs fans more the the '84 Cubs or '03 Cubs will.
Three of the four HOF Cubs were lifers, and Ferguson Jenkins still played about 10 years with the Cubs. And they had a few other lifer Cubs: Kessinger, Beckert, Hundley. Back then, these guys lived here year round and lived in middle class suburbs and neighborhoods. They were filled with personality and were very diverse. You had a Canadian (Jenkins), a Midwestern Jew (Holtzman), a Long Island guy (Bill Hands), a couple African-American guys who grew up in the segregated South, including one who played in the Negro Leagues (Williams and Banks), a white guy from Mississippi (Kessinger), a hick from the sticks of Virginia (Hundley), an Italian from Seattle emotional as can be (Santo), oh, and a manager who makes Joe Maddon look like a boring, straight-laced guy... These guys were loaded with personality, they were part of the community, and they captured the hearts of north siders and united them during a time that the North Side showed its own divisions right on the heels of 1968.
Everybody loved them, and everyone also knows that the Mets and their fans have a secret society that meets in the basement of old Shea Stadium and kicks puppies, eats babies and causes flights at LaGuardia to be 3 hours late. The 1969 Mets and their fans were possibly the worst group of people to grace the earth since the end of World War II and before the 1986 Mets.
I know I'm not the only one who would root for Whitey Herzog's Cardinals in the 1980s whenever they played the Mets. (Of course, if the White Sox were departing NY after a 3-game series during game time at Shea, I'd also root for a takeoff gone bad taking out all three teams, but I was a bitter kid back in 1987.
So, no, I will not get over it, and neither should you, and nor should America.
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Quote from: SKO on October 16, 2015, 09:27:10 AM
Cubs fans in general just aren't over most of their history and we all know we won't be until they actually pull this thing off. Those kids don't give a shit, though.
Quote from: Eli on October 16, 2015, 08:58:01 AM
Not inside the Cubs clubhouse, but it does seem like there are plenty of old-man fans who apparently aren't over it.
I'm sure it's difficult for old people to get over. I have a hard time getting over it, and I wasn't even born. The Cubs had a 9-game lead and and four Hall-of-Famers, none of whom ever played or would play in a World Series. It was their best shot at the World Series, and while we can for now avoid talk about how the NLCS with Atlanta or the World Series with Baltimore might have gone, this team will haunt Cubs fans more the the '84 Cubs or '03 Cubs will.
Three of the four HOF Cubs were lifers, and Ferguson Jenkins still played about 10 years with the Cubs. And they had a few other lifer Cubs: Kessinger, Beckert, Hundley. Back then, these guys lived here year round and lived in middle class suburbs and neighborhoods. They were filled with personality and were very diverse. You had a Canadian (Jenkins), a Midwestern Jew (Holtzman), a Long Island guy (Bill Hands), a couple African-American guys who grew up in the segregated South, including one who played in the Negro Leagues (Williams and Banks), a white guy from Mississippi (Kessinger), a hick from the sticks of Virginia (Hundley), an Italian from Seattle emotional as can be (Santo), oh, and a manager who makes Joe Maddon look like a boring, straight-laced guy... These guys were loaded with personality, they were part of the community, and they captured the hearts of north siders and united them during a time that the North Side showed its own divisions right on the heels of 1968.
Everybody loved them, and everyone also knows that the Mets and their fans have a secret society that meets in the basement of old Shea Stadium and kicks puppies, eats babies and causes flights at LaGuardia to be 3 hours late. The 1969 Mets and their fans were possibly the worst group of people to grace the earth since the end of World War II and before the 1986 Mets.
I know I'm not the only one who would root for Whitey Herzog's Cardinals in the 1980s whenever they played the Mets. (Of course, if the White Sox were departing NY after a 3-game series during game time at Shea, I'd also root for a takeoff gone bad taking out all three teams, but I was a bitter kid back in 1987.
So, no, I will not get over it, and neither should you, and nor should America.
Maybe the Cubs should have played better down the stretch then.
I think the Mets kind of suck. The Cubs should sweep them. If they don't, whatever but this series will be a cakewalk compared to the Cards and Pirates deathmatches.
I know I shouldn't be saying stuff like this. It's arrogant and stupid and flies in the face of everything I've ever learned during my 39 years on this planet. But I am damn glad it's the Mets. And not the Dodgers. There's a strangeness about West Coast games that can affect any team. It didn't affect the Mets, I guess, shitty and barely competent goofs that they are, but I just eliminating that whole element makes me personally more comfortable about the games ahead. And that's not important, but I think it's the conversation we're having right now.
In 1998 my Mets hatred reached its zenith. When Bobby Valentine vehemently defended Sammy Sosa in the wake of his bat corking scandal, I softened on him and the team as a whole. I don't know why. They've just been irrelevant to me for so long I can't pretend to care.
They're roadkill anyway so let's just relax and enjoy this series. Cheers, everyone.
Quote from: InternetApex on October 16, 2015, 10:09:38 AM
I think the Mets kind of suck. The Cubs should sweep them. If they don't, whatever but this series will be a cakewalk compared to the Cards and Pirates deathmatches.
I know I shouldn't be saying stuff like this. It's arrogant and stupid and flies in the face of everything I've ever learned during my 39 years on this planet. But I am damn glad it's the Mets. And not the Dodgers. There's a strangeness about West Coast games that can affect any team. It didn't affect the Mets, I guess, shitty and barely competent goofs that they are, but I just eliminating that whole element makes me personally more comfortable about the games ahead. And that's not important, but I think it's the conversation we're having right now.
In 1998 my Mets hatred reached its zenith. When Bobby Valentine vehemently defended Sammy Sosa in the wake of his bat corking scandal, I softened on him and the team as a whole. I don't know why. They've just been irrelevant to me for so long I can't pretend to care.
They're roadkill anyway so let's just relax and enjoy this series. Cheers, everyone.
Seriously. I don't care about the '69 Mets. But fuck the '15 Mets and their melon-shaped-head Thor and their "aw, shucks" grandpa manager and their stupid cry-baby SS and their Commie LF and everything else about this fucking team. Fuck them.
Quote from: Oleg on October 16, 2015, 10:17:02 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on October 16, 2015, 10:09:38 AM
I think the Mets kind of suck. The Cubs should sweep them. If they don't, whatever but this series will be a cakewalk compared to the Cards and Pirates deathmatches.
I know I shouldn't be saying stuff like this. It's arrogant and stupid and flies in the face of everything I've ever learned during my 39 years on this planet. But I am damn glad it's the Mets. And not the Dodgers. There's a strangeness about West Coast games that can affect any team. It didn't affect the Mets, I guess, shitty and barely competent goofs that they are, but I just eliminating that whole element makes me personally more comfortable about the games ahead. And that's not important, but I think it's the conversation we're having right now.
In 1998 my Mets hatred reached its zenith. When Bobby Valentine vehemently defended Sammy Sosa in the wake of his bat corking scandal, I softened on him and the team as a whole. I don't know why. They've just been irrelevant to me for so long I can't pretend to care.
They're roadkill anyway so let's just relax and enjoy this series. Cheers, everyone.
Seriously. I don't care about the '69 Mets. But fuck the '15 Mets and their melon-shaped-head Thor and their "aw, shucks" grandpa manager and their stupid cry-baby SS and their Commie LF and everything else about this fucking team. Fuck them.
And again, if I see one more person retweeting that THESE AINT THE SAME METS THE CUBS SWEPT and posting their awful lineup from that last game they played in July without noting that the Cubs started Johnny Buckets and Mike Baxter (with Montero/Coghlan/Denorfia batting 3rd/4th/5th) in the game I will riot. The Mets got hot as shit when they added Cespedes and Co, sure, the Cubs added Schwarber and the version of Castro that hits and a bunch of other stuff and had a better post-deadline record than the Mets anyway. Fuck 'em.
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 15, 2015, 10:28:34 PM
Mets broadcast is already talking about 1969, claiming "they still haven't gotten over it on the North Side, so all the pressure will be on Chicago." I feel pretty comfortable guaranteeing that not one individual in that Cubs clubhouse gives one green shit about 1969.
Not inside the Cubs clubhouse, but it does seem like there are plenty of old-man fans who apparently aren't over it.
As long as none of those old-man fans needs to play SS, we're good.
Cubs fans in general just aren't over most of their history and we all know we won't be until they actually pull this thing off. Those kids don't give a shit, though.
I get that, but why aren't there any fans that wanted to "exorcise the demons" that came from the Dodgers sweep in '08?
Because getting your ass soundly kicked is somehow more bearable than an epic collapse? The 69 Cubs seemingly had it in the bag, whereas the 2008 Cubs just got the shit kicked out of them in the playoffs. One feels like another tragic chapter in the history of a starcrossed franchise and one feels like "welp, playoffs."
I know if I had my choice I'd want to destroy the Marlins and burn that franchise and city to the ground, then chug kerosene as I pissed upon the flames if we're really talking about which demons we want to exorcise most.
For me it's San Diego. 2003 hurt worse because I was only 8 in '84 and didn't get it yet, but fuck that city. I went there once and it was rainy and in the 60's the entire weekend. Best weather my ass.
It's San Diego for me too. I graduated from high school in 1984 and that was a glorious summer. I loved that team and it was the best Cubs team in my (fan) lifetime until now. Tigers-Cubs would have been an epic World Series.
Also for what it's worth I don't know if 1969 has ever played into my hatred of the Mets. Maybe I just inherited it like most things from my grandpa. I'm also too young to remember the late 80s battles for the division with them. I think I've just always hated the Mets and never needed a reason why, but if I had to single anything out Victor Diaz and Craig Brazell or whatever sure pop up right quick.
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I think the Mets kind of suck. The Cubs should sweep them. If they don't, whatever but this series will be a cakewalk compared to the Cards and Pirates deathmatches.
I know I shouldn't be saying stuff like this. It's arrogant and stupid and flies in the face of everything I've ever learned during my 39 years on this planet. But I am damn glad it's the Mets. And not the Dodgers. There's a strangeness about West Coast games that can affect any team. It didn't affect the Mets, I guess, shitty and barely competent goofs that they are, but I just eliminating that whole element makes me personally more comfortable about the games ahead. And that's not important, but I think it's the conversation we're having right now.
In 1998 my Mets hatred reached its zenith. When Bobby Valentine vehemently defended Sammy Sosa in the wake of his bat corking scandal, I softened on him and the team as a whole. I don't know why. They've just been irrelevant to me for so long I can't pretend to care.
They're roadkill anyway so let's just relax and enjoy this series. Cheers, everyone.
Seriously. I don't care about the '69 Mets. But fuck the '15 Mets and their melon-shaped-head Thor and their "aw, shucks" grandpa manager and their stupid cry-baby SS and their Commie LF and everything else about this fucking team. Fuck them.
And again, if I see one more person retweeting that THESE AINT THE SAME METS THE CUBS SWEPT and posting their awful lineup from that last game they played in July without noting that the Cubs started Johnny Buckets and Mike Baxter (with Montero/Coghlan/Denorfia batting 3rd/4th/5th) in the game I will riot. The Mets got hot as shit when they added Cespedes and Co, sure, the Cubs added Schwarber and the version of Castro that hits and a bunch of other stuff and had a better post-deadline record than the Mets anyway. Fuck 'em.
I was drawing a complete blank and had to look up Mike Baxter. Completely forgot about him. That seems like years ago.
Quote from: SKO on October 16, 2015, 10:38:04 AM
Also for what it's worth I don't know if 1969 has ever played into my hatred of the Mets. Maybe I just inherited it like most things from my grandpa. I'm also too young to remember the late 80s battles for the division with them. I think I've just always hated the Mets and never needed a reason why, but if I had to single anything out Victor Diaz and Craig Brazell or whatever sure pop up right quick.
I was 3 in 1969 so I don't remember any of that. My hatred comes from 84-85-86. Seems like they brawled a lot and Lenny Dykstra got a beer dumped on his head by somebody in the bleachers at least once a season. Good times.
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I think the Mets kind of suck. The Cubs should sweep them. If they don't, whatever but this series will be a cakewalk compared to the Cards and Pirates deathmatches.
I know I shouldn't be saying stuff like this. It's arrogant and stupid and flies in the face of everything I've ever learned during my 39 years on this planet. But I am damn glad it's the Mets. And not the Dodgers. There's a strangeness about West Coast games that can affect any team. It didn't affect the Mets, I guess, shitty and barely competent goofs that they are, but I just eliminating that whole element makes me personally more comfortable about the games ahead. And that's not important, but I think it's the conversation we're having right now.
In 1998 my Mets hatred reached its zenith. When Bobby Valentine vehemently defended Sammy Sosa in the wake of his bat corking scandal, I softened on him and the team as a whole. I don't know why. They've just been irrelevant to me for so long I can't pretend to care.
They're roadkill anyway so let's just relax and enjoy this series. Cheers, everyone.
Seriously. I don't care about the '69 Mets. But fuck the '15 Mets and their melon-shaped-head Thor and their "aw, shucks" grandpa manager and their stupid cry-baby SS and their Commie LF and everything else about this fucking team. Fuck them.
And again, if I see one more person retweeting that THESE AINT THE SAME METS THE CUBS SWEPT and posting their awful lineup from that last game they played in July without noting that the Cubs started Johnny Buckets and Mike Baxter (with Montero/Coghlan/Denorfia batting 3rd/4th/5th) in the game I will riot. The Mets got hot as shit when they added Cespedes and Co, sure, the Cubs added Schwarber and the version of Castro that hits and a bunch of other stuff and had a better post-deadline record than the Mets anyway. Fuck 'em.
I was drawing a complete blank and had to look up Mike Baxter. Completely forgot about him. That seems like years ago.
Right, I know the point they're trying to make is that these Mets actually have a functional major league offense now, and good for them, but the Cubs for most of the first half were every bit as abysmal offensively as the Mets, just for different reasons. Both clubs improved massively in the second half, but for all of the narrative of them overtaking the Nats, the Cubs improved more than New York. It was just largely internal rather than external changes.
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I think the Mets kind of suck. The Cubs should sweep them. If they don't, whatever but this series will be a cakewalk compared to the Cards and Pirates deathmatches.
I know I shouldn't be saying stuff like this. It's arrogant and stupid and flies in the face of everything I've ever learned during my 39 years on this planet. But I am damn glad it's the Mets. And not the Dodgers. There's a strangeness about West Coast games that can affect any team. It didn't affect the Mets, I guess, shitty and barely competent goofs that they are, but I just eliminating that whole element makes me personally more comfortable about the games ahead. And that's not important, but I think it's the conversation we're having right now.
In 1998 my Mets hatred reached its zenith. When Bobby Valentine vehemently defended Sammy Sosa in the wake of his bat corking scandal, I softened on him and the team as a whole. I don't know why. They've just been irrelevant to me for so long I can't pretend to care.
They're roadkill anyway so let's just relax and enjoy this series. Cheers, everyone.
Seriously. I don't care about the '69 Mets. But fuck the '15 Mets and their melon-shaped-head Thor and their "aw, shucks" grandpa manager and their stupid cry-baby SS and their Commie LF and everything else about this fucking team. Fuck them.
And again, if I see one more person retweeting that THESE AINT THE SAME METS THE CUBS SWEPT and posting their awful lineup from that last game they played in July without noting that the Cubs started Johnny Buckets and Mike Baxter (with Montero/Coghlan/Denorfia batting 3rd/4th/5th) in the game I will riot. The Mets got hot as shit when they added Cespedes and Co, sure, the Cubs added Schwarber and the version of Castro that hits and a bunch of other stuff and had a better post-deadline record than the Mets anyway. Fuck 'em.
I was drawing a complete blank and had to look up Mike Baxter. Completely forgot about him. That seems like years ago.
Right, I know the point they're trying to make is that these Mets actually have a functional major league offense now, and good for them, but the Cubs for most of the first half were every bit as abysmal offensively as the Mets, just for different reasons. Both clubs improved massively in the second half, but for all of the narrative of them overtaking the Nats, the Cubs improved more than New York. It was just largely internal rather than external changes.
We've come a long way from the days of Baxter and Schlitter.
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I think the Mets kind of suck. The Cubs should sweep them. If they don't, whatever but this series will be a cakewalk compared to the Cards and Pirates deathmatches.
I know I shouldn't be saying stuff like this. It's arrogant and stupid and flies in the face of everything I've ever learned during my 39 years on this planet. But I am damn glad it's the Mets. And not the Dodgers. There's a strangeness about West Coast games that can affect any team. It didn't affect the Mets, I guess, shitty and barely competent goofs that they are, but I just eliminating that whole element makes me personally more comfortable about the games ahead. And that's not important, but I think it's the conversation we're having right now.
In 1998 my Mets hatred reached its zenith. When Bobby Valentine vehemently defended Sammy Sosa in the wake of his bat corking scandal, I softened on him and the team as a whole. I don't know why. They've just been irrelevant to me for so long I can't pretend to care.
They're roadkill anyway so let's just relax and enjoy this series. Cheers, everyone.
Seriously. I don't care about the '69 Mets. But fuck the '15 Mets and their melon-shaped-head Thor and their "aw, shucks" grandpa manager and their stupid cry-baby SS and their Commie LF and everything else about this fucking team. Fuck them.
And again, if I see one more person retweeting that THESE AINT THE SAME METS THE CUBS SWEPT and posting their awful lineup from that last game they played in July without noting that the Cubs started Johnny Buckets and Mike Baxter (with Montero/Coghlan/Denorfia batting 3rd/4th/5th) in the game I will riot. The Mets got hot as shit when they added Cespedes and Co, sure, the Cubs added Schwarber and the version of Castro that hits and a bunch of other stuff and had a better post-deadline record than the Mets anyway. Fuck 'em.
I was drawing a complete blank and had to look up Mike Baxter. Completely forgot about him. That seems like years ago.
Right, I know the point they're trying to make is that these Mets actually have a functional major league offense now, and good for them, but the Cubs for most of the first half were every bit as abysmal offensively as the Mets, just for different reasons. Both clubs improved massively in the second half, but for all of the narrative of them overtaking the Nats, the Cubs improved more than New York. It was just largely internal rather than external changes.
We've come a long way from the days of Baxter and Schlitter.
And Taylor Teagarden.
I just tweeted a pic of the lineup in a 6-1 win over the Mets at Shitty Field. It's an abysmal starting nine save for Arrieta, who hadn't even truly hit his stride yet.
Mets fans can fucking do one.
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I think the Mets kind of suck. The Cubs should sweep them. If they don't, whatever but this series will be a cakewalk compared to the Cards and Pirates deathmatches.
I know I shouldn't be saying stuff like this. It's arrogant and stupid and flies in the face of everything I've ever learned during my 39 years on this planet. But I am damn glad it's the Mets. And not the Dodgers. There's a strangeness about West Coast games that can affect any team. It didn't affect the Mets, I guess, shitty and barely competent goofs that they are, but I just eliminating that whole element makes me personally more comfortable about the games ahead. And that's not important, but I think it's the conversation we're having right now.
In 1998 my Mets hatred reached its zenith. When Bobby Valentine vehemently defended Sammy Sosa in the wake of his bat corking scandal, I softened on him and the team as a whole. I don't know why. They've just been irrelevant to me for so long I can't pretend to care.
They're roadkill anyway so let's just relax and enjoy this series. Cheers, everyone.
Seriously. I don't care about the '69 Mets. But fuck the '15 Mets and their melon-shaped-head Thor and their "aw, shucks" grandpa manager and their stupid cry-baby SS and their Commie LF and everything else about this fucking team. Fuck them.
And again, if I see one more person retweeting that THESE AINT THE SAME METS THE CUBS SWEPT and posting their awful lineup from that last game they played in July without noting that the Cubs started Johnny Buckets and Mike Baxter (with Montero/Coghlan/Denorfia batting 3rd/4th/5th) in the game I will riot. The Mets got hot as shit when they added Cespedes and Co, sure, the Cubs added Schwarber and the version of Castro that hits and a bunch of other stuff and had a better post-deadline record than the Mets anyway. Fuck 'em.
I was drawing a complete blank and had to look up Mike Baxter. Completely forgot about him. That seems like years ago.
Right, I know the point they're trying to make is that these Mets actually have a functional major league offense now, and good for them, but the Cubs for most of the first half were every bit as abysmal offensively as the Mets, just for different reasons. Both clubs improved massively in the second half, but for all of the narrative of them overtaking the Nats, the Cubs improved more than New York. It was just largely internal rather than external changes.
We've come a long way from the days of Baxter and Schlitter.
And Taylor Teagarden.
I just tweeted a pic of the lineup in a 6-1 win over the Mets at Shitty Field. It's an abysmal starting nine save for Arrieta, who hadn't even truly hit his stride yet.
Mets fans can fucking do one.
Yup, the 2015 Cubs as they are right now didn't truly start to congeal until Joe moved Castro off SS and admitted that they needed Schwarber's bat in LF every day, without even mentioning the parts where they didn't have Jorge.
I always like to point to the Bryant walk-off vs Colorado as the real turning point of the season but I'd really say the first series where the true 2015 Cubs appeared once they were done with all of their beta testing was probably that 4 game sweep of the Brewers right after. From that point on, including playoffs, they're 47-19.
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Mets broadcast is already talking about 1969, claiming "they still haven't gotten over it on the North Side, so all the pressure will be on Chicago." I feel pretty comfortable guaranteeing that not one individual in that Cubs clubhouse gives one green shit about 1969.
Not inside the Cubs clubhouse, but it does seem like there are plenty of old-man fans who apparently aren't over it.
As long as none of those old-man fans needs to play SS, we're good.
Cubs fans in general just aren't over most of their history and we all know we won't be until they actually pull this thing off. Those kids don't give a shit, though.
I get that, but why aren't there any fans that wanted to "exorcise the demons" that came from the Dodgers sweep in '08?
Huey does. By killing DeRosa and Dempster. Literally.
If I could use some ShoutBox lexicon (moment of silence), I believe I've sorta done been FACED.
This was somewhat satisfying for me.
This was incredibly satisfying for me.
My overriding memory of the Mets from when my baseball awakening occurred in the late 80s/early 90s:
Fuck Gregg Jefferies.
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Also for what it's worth I don't know if 1969 has ever played into my hatred of the Mets. Maybe I just inherited it like most things from my grandpa. I'm also too young to remember the late 80s battles for the division with them. I think I've just always hated the Mets and never needed a reason why, but if I had to single anything out Victor Diaz and Craig Brazell or whatever sure pop up right quick.
I was 3 in 1969 so I don't remember any of that. My hatred comes from 84-85-86. Seems like they brawled a lot and Lenny Dykstra got a beer dumped on his head by somebody in the bleachers at least once a season. Good times.
'84 Mets were great villians whom the Cubs just laid pipe too. It was glorious.
Keith Hernandez
Strawberry
Wally Backman, whose grittiness provided the additional displeasure of reminding my dad of Al Weis from the '69 Mets. What a pain in the ass that guy was.
Fucking Gary Carter
Gooden--he was damn good but cocky as shit. He shut the Cubs down three times, but also got his ears pinned back the other 2 times, before winning like his next 26 decisions or some absurd shit against them in the years afterward. Fuck Dwight Gooden.
Davey Johnson
OH I'M RON DARLING! I CAN DO THE NYT CROSSWORD IN 9 MINUTES WHILE WAITING FOR A BUS! Fuck you, too.
Bill Robinson, the hitting coach who in one game tried going into the stands at Wrigley
Ugly-assed Jesse Orosco
In any event, the whole "Cubs Mets" "thing" is just proof that 1969 will never go away, even with a sweep here. It was supposed to have gone away when these beloved '84 Cubs wiped the floor with that laundry from New York. When the '89 Cubs rallied, it was past the Cardinals, Expos and mainly, the Mets again. In '98, the shit-pantsed Riggleman-led Cubs were allowed to back into the playoffs after losing 6 of their final 8 games thanks to the Mets' barely worse ineptitude down the stretch.
Eventually, with this consistent pwnage, along with the continental drift of realignment, the thing about the Mets has faded for me almost entirely. I think I hate the Cardinals more than I ever hated the Mets, even in 1984. I have no historical axe to grind. In my lifetime, the Cubs have just about always pwned the Mets when they've needed to, and there's certainly no reason I would expect it to change with this series.
But fuck Miami and San Diego forever.
Ah the 80s Mets where cocaine was delivered to them in 50 lb bags.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 16, 2015, 10:44:26 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 16, 2015, 10:38:04 AM
Also for what it's worth I don't know if 1969 has ever played into my hatred of the Mets. Maybe I just inherited it like most things from my grandpa. I'm also too young to remember the late 80s battles for the division with them. I think I've just always hated the Mets and never needed a reason why, but if I had to single anything out Victor Diaz and Craig Brazell or whatever sure pop up right quick.
I was 3 in 1969 so I don't remember any of that. My hatred comes from 84-85-86. Seems like they brawled a lot and Lenny Dykstra got a beer dumped on his head by somebody in the bleachers at least once a season. Good times.
1969 was the first baseball season I remember beginning to end. I really never had any bitterness toward the Mets, I always believed (and still do) that Leo screwing the fucking pooch was the reason the Cubs didn't win more than anything the Mets did.
Quote from: PANK! on October 16, 2015, 11:35:01 AM
OH I'M RON DARLING! I CAN DO THE NYT CROSSWORD IN 9 MINUTES WHILE WAITING FOR A BUS! Fuck you, too.
I feel like there's a story here that needs to be told. I'm imagining you riding your bike past a bus stop where you happened to see Darling working on a crossword and turned instant hot potato.
[Waving hands around] HMMM I'M RON DARLING AND I RIDE THE
BUUUUUS. HRRMMM I'M RON DARLING AND I DO WORD PUZZLES.
Also, what day of the week was this. Because if we're talking anywhere from Weds to Sunday, that would just be downright impressive.
Quote from: ChuckD on October 16, 2015, 12:07:43 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 16, 2015, 11:35:01 AM
OH I'M RON DARLING! I CAN DO THE NYT CROSSWORD IN 9 MINUTES WHILE WAITING FOR A BUS! Fuck you, too.
I feel like there's a story here that needs to be told. I'm imagining you riding your bike past a bus stop where you happened to see Darling working on a crossword and turned instant hot potato.
[Waving hands around] HMMM I'M RON DARLING AND I RIDE THE BUUUUUS. HRRMMM I'M RON DARLING AND I DO WORD PUZZLES.
Also, what day of the week was this. Because if we're talking anywhere from Weds to Sunday, that would just be downright impressive.
It was some item either in a Sporting News or Sports Illustrated from between 1984 and 1986 that someone espied Darling knocking out the Times crossword while either standing on a bus or waiting for one, I can't remember. The point was that gosh that Ron Darling is smart. He went to Harvard you know.
Quote from: PANK! on October 16, 2015, 12:17:18 PM
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Quote from: PANK! on October 16, 2015, 11:35:01 AM
OH I'M RON DARLING! I CAN DO THE NYT CROSSWORD IN 9 MINUTES WHILE WAITING FOR A BUS! Fuck you, too.
I feel like there's a story here that needs to be told. I'm imagining you riding your bike past a bus stop where you happened to see Darling working on a crossword and turned instant hot potato.
[Waving hands around] HMMM I'M RON DARLING AND I RIDE THE BUUUUUS. HRRMMM I'M RON DARLING AND I DO WORD PUZZLES.
Also, what day of the week was this. Because if we're talking anywhere from Weds to Sunday, that would just be downright impressive.
It was some item either in a Sporting News or Sports Illustrated from between 1984 and 1986 that someone espied Darling knocking out the Times crossword while either standing on a bus or waiting for one, I can't remember. The point was that gosh that Ron Darling is smart. He went to Harvard you know.
He went to Yale.
Quote from: flannj on October 16, 2015, 12:19:08 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 16, 2015, 12:17:18 PM
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Quote from: PANK! on October 16, 2015, 11:35:01 AM
OH I'M RON DARLING! I CAN DO THE NYT CROSSWORD IN 9 MINUTES WHILE WAITING FOR A BUS! Fuck you, too.
I feel like there's a story here that needs to be told. I'm imagining you riding your bike past a bus stop where you happened to see Darling working on a crossword and turned instant hot potato.
[Waving hands around] HMMM I'M RON DARLING AND I RIDE THE BUUUUUS. HRRMMM I'M RON DARLING AND I DO WORD PUZZLES.
Also, what day of the week was this. Because if we're talking anywhere from Weds to Sunday, that would just be downright impressive.
It was some item either in a Sporting News or Sports Illustrated from between 1984 and 1986 that someone espied Darling knocking out the Times crossword while either standing on a bus or waiting for one, I can't remember. The point was that gosh that Ron Darling is smart. He went to Harvard you know.
He went to Yale.
Yeah. That.
Quote from: flannj on October 16, 2015, 12:19:08 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 16, 2015, 12:17:18 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 16, 2015, 12:07:43 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 16, 2015, 11:35:01 AM
OH I'M RON DARLING! I CAN DO THE NYT CROSSWORD IN 9 MINUTES WHILE WAITING FOR A BUS! Fuck you, too.
I feel like there's a story here that needs to be told. I'm imagining you riding your bike past a bus stop where you happened to see Darling working on a crossword and turned instant hot potato.
[Waving hands around] HMMM I'M RON DARLING AND I RIDE THE BUUUUUS. HRRMMM I'M RON DARLING AND I DO WORD PUZZLES.
Also, what day of the week was this. Because if we're talking anywhere from Weds to Sunday, that would just be downright impressive.
It was some item either in a Sporting News or Sports Illustrated from between 1984 and 1986 that someone espied Darling knocking out the Times crossword while either standing on a bus or waiting for one, I can't remember. The point was that gosh that Ron Darling is smart. He went to Harvard you know.
He went to Yale.
He went to Potato
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/07/nyregion/ron-darling-finds-the-calm-before-the-game.html
QuoteCROSSWORD AS CAKE Dessert for me is the New York Times crossword puzzle. I usually do it around 7 or 7:30. There's still nobody up, so it's a good time to concentrate. I'm probably an hour or half-hour guy with the puzzle — not in Bill Clinton's elite category, but not too bad.
Quote from: ChuckD on October 16, 2015, 12:26:34 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/07/nyregion/ron-darling-finds-the-calm-before-the-game.html
QuoteCROSSWORD AS CAKE Dessert for me is the New York Times crossword puzzle. I usually do it around 7 or 7:30. There's still nobody up, so it's a good time to concentrate. I'm probably an hour or half-hour guy with the puzzle — not in Bill Clinton's elite category, but not too bad.
Ha!
My savant-like recall of specific Reagan-era factoids is validated!
Quote from: PANK! on October 16, 2015, 12:29:43 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 16, 2015, 12:26:34 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/07/nyregion/ron-darling-finds-the-calm-before-the-game.html
QuoteCROSSWORD AS CAKE Dessert for me is the New York Times crossword puzzle. I usually do it around 7 or 7:30. There's still nobody up, so it's a good time to concentrate. I'm probably an hour or half-hour guy with the puzzle — not in Bill Clinton's elite category, but not too bad.
Ha!
My savant-like recall of specific Reagan-era factoids is validated!
Speaking of idiot-savants, how the fuck can Ron Darling do that crossword, and be such an absolute dipshit every time I hear him open his wordhole?
Quote from: Bort on October 16, 2015, 01:05:14 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 16, 2015, 12:29:43 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 16, 2015, 12:26:34 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/07/nyregion/ron-darling-finds-the-calm-before-the-game.html
QuoteCROSSWORD AS CAKE Dessert for me is the New York Times crossword puzzle. I usually do it around 7 or 7:30. There's still nobody up, so it's a good time to concentrate. I'm probably an hour or half-hour guy with the puzzle — not in Bill Clinton's elite category, but not too bad.
Ha!
My savant-like recall of specific Reagan-era factoids is validated!
Speaking of idiot-savants, how the fuck can Ron Darling do that crossword, and be such an absolute dipshit every time I hear him open his wordhole?
Intrepid Reader-- Dan BernsteinHi.
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Mets broadcast is already talking about 1969, claiming "they still haven't gotten over it on the North Side, so all the pressure will be on Chicago." I feel pretty comfortable guaranteeing that not one individual in that Cubs clubhouse gives one green shit about 1969.
Not inside the Cubs clubhouse, but it does seem like there are plenty of old-man fans who apparently aren't over it.
As long as none of those old-man fans needs to play SS, we're good.
Cubs fans in general just aren't over most of their history and we all know we won't be until they actually pull this thing off. Those kids don't give a shit, though.
I get that, but why aren't there any fans that wanted to "exorcise the demons" that came from the Dodgers sweep in '08?
Huey does. By killing DeRosa and Dempster. Literally.
If I could use some ShoutBox lexicon (moment of silence), I believe I've sorta done been FACED.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL-IaFKsIw4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL-IaFKsIw4)
Fuck the Mets and Mets fans so hard. How can you even explain Mets fans? They shouldn't exist.
Quote from: Slaky on October 16, 2015, 01:25:26 PM
Fuck the Mets and Mets fans so hard. How can you even explain Mets fans? They shouldn't exist.
I would also like to say fuck Mets fans and their constant attempt to be like "BUT WHAT ABOUT OUR SADNESS?" Hearing this referred to as a series between two historically downtrodden franchises grinds my gears.
Fuck that. In their existence they've played in 4 world series and won 2, and they've been in 6 league championship series. Sure, they get overshadowed by the fucking Yankees in their hometown but on the "historically downtrodden" meter they can't even touch the Cubs or Indians or Brewers or Mariners or any number of goddamn teams that don't have four pennants and two world championships. How dare they try to complain things suck worse for them just because more people watch their fuckups.
Quote from: Slaky on October 16, 2015, 01:25:26 PM
Fuck the Mets and Mets fans so hard. How can you even explain Mets fans? They shouldn't exist.
They can't afford Yankee tickets.
Quote from: Bort on October 16, 2015, 01:05:14 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 16, 2015, 12:29:43 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 16, 2015, 12:26:34 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/07/nyregion/ron-darling-finds-the-calm-before-the-game.html
QuoteCROSSWORD AS CAKE Dessert for me is the New York Times crossword puzzle. I usually do it around 7 or 7:30. There's still nobody up, so it's a good time to concentrate. I'm probably an hour or half-hour guy with the puzzle — not in Bill Clinton's elite category, but not too bad.
Ha!
My savant-like recall of specific Reagan-era factoids is validated!
Speaking of idiot-savants, how the fuck can Ron Darling do that crossword, and be such an absolute dipshit every time I hear him open his wordhole?
I have no idea why this ever happened, but Ron Darling once came to our temple to meet all the kids and sign autographs when we were growing up. Right in the '84-86 timeframe, if I had to guess.
I'm not sure this is "I admit it" or a "Humblebrag" but I just felt like it deserved mentioning.
Quote from: SKO on October 16, 2015, 01:43:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 16, 2015, 01:25:26 PM
Fuck the Mets and Mets fans so hard. How can you even explain Mets fans? They shouldn't exist.
I would also like to say fuck Mets fans and their constant attempt to be like "BUT WHAT ABOUT OUR SADNESS?" Hearing this referred to as a series between two historically downtrodden franchises grinds my gears.
Fuck that. In their existence they've played in 4 world series and won 2, and they've been in 6 league championship series. Sure, they get overshadowed by the fucking Yankees in their hometown but on the "historically downtrodden" meter they can't even touch the Cubs or Indians or Brewers or Mariners or any number of goddamn teams that don't have four pennants and two world championships. How dare they try to complain things suck worse for them just because more people watch their fuckups.
I think that's a huge part of it for me. I hate that it's come to "we're sadder than you are" but jesus christ any Mets fan that's my age has seen his/her team play in a World Series a been alive for a championship.
You can't even say they were run worse than the Cubs were. They have no ground to stand on vs. the Cubs. Maybe that's why they hate us so much. And believe me, they hate us.
Quote from: Slaky on October 16, 2015, 02:15:43 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 16, 2015, 01:43:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 16, 2015, 01:25:26 PM
Fuck the Mets and Mets fans so hard. How can you even explain Mets fans? They shouldn't exist.
I would also like to say fuck Mets fans and their constant attempt to be like "BUT WHAT ABOUT OUR SADNESS?" Hearing this referred to as a series between two historically downtrodden franchises grinds my gears.
Fuck that. In their existence they've played in 4 world series and won 2, and they've been in 6 league championship series. Sure, they get overshadowed by the fucking Yankees in their hometown but on the "historically downtrodden" meter they can't even touch the Cubs or Indians or Brewers or Mariners or any number of goddamn teams that don't have four pennants and two world championships. How dare they try to complain things suck worse for them just because more people watch their fuckups.
I think that's a huge part of it for me. I hate that it's come to "we're sadder than you are" but jesus christ any Mets fan that's my age has seen his/her team play in a World Series a been alive for a championship.
You can't even say they were run worse than the Cubs were. They have no ground to stand on vs. the Cubs. Maybe that's why they hate us so much. And believe me, they hate us.
They are a run of the mill second tier franchise but they're in New York so they have to act like their suffering is fucking biblical. I'm willing to bet a 50 year old Mariners fan would trade places with a Mets fan of the same age in a fucking heartbeat but no one gives a shit because they're the Mariners.
Quote from: Slaky on October 16, 2015, 02:15:43 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 16, 2015, 01:43:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 16, 2015, 01:25:26 PM
Fuck the Mets and Mets fans so hard. How can you even explain Mets fans? They shouldn't exist.
I would also like to say fuck Mets fans and their constant attempt to be like "BUT WHAT ABOUT OUR SADNESS?" Hearing this referred to as a series between two historically downtrodden franchises grinds my gears.
Fuck that. In their existence they've played in 4 world series and won 2, and they've been in 6 league championship series. Sure, they get overshadowed by the fucking Yankees in their hometown but on the "historically downtrodden" meter they can't even touch the Cubs or Indians or Brewers or Mariners or any number of goddamn teams that don't have four pennants and two world championships. How dare they try to complain things suck worse for them just because more people watch their fuckups.
I think that's a huge part of it for me. I hate that it's come to "we're sadder than you are" but jesus christ any Mets fan that's my age has seen his/her team play in a World Series a been alive for a championship.
You can't even say they were run worse than the Cubs were. They have no ground to stand on vs. the Cubs. Maybe that's why they hate us so much. And believe me, they hate us.
Bernie Madoff might disagree with this part.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 16, 2015, 02:38:35 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 16, 2015, 02:15:43 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 16, 2015, 01:43:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 16, 2015, 01:25:26 PM
Fuck the Mets and Mets fans so hard. How can you even explain Mets fans? They shouldn't exist.
I would also like to say fuck Mets fans and their constant attempt to be like "BUT WHAT ABOUT OUR SADNESS?" Hearing this referred to as a series between two historically downtrodden franchises grinds my gears.
Fuck that. In their existence they've played in 4 world series and won 2, and they've been in 6 league championship series. Sure, they get overshadowed by the fucking Yankees in their hometown but on the "historically downtrodden" meter they can't even touch the Cubs or Indians or Brewers or Mariners or any number of goddamn teams that don't have four pennants and two world championships. How dare they try to complain things suck worse for them just because more people watch their fuckups.
I think that's a huge part of it for me. I hate that it's come to "we're sadder than you are" but jesus christ any Mets fan that's my age has seen his/her team play in a World Series a been alive for a championship.
You can't even say they were run worse than the Cubs were. They have no ground to stand on vs. the Cubs. Maybe that's why they hate us so much. And believe me, they hate us.
Bernie Madoff might disagree with this part.
His era is a microsecond on the Cubs' timeline of suck.
I'm sure tactical genius Matthew Trueblood would have shepherded his bullpen and optimized his lineup throughout that series just as well -- nay, better -- than dumb-ol' Maddon did. But that's why the Cubs are headed home and the Cardinals are flying to New York.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 16, 2015, 02:08:21 PM
Quote from: Bort on October 16, 2015, 01:05:14 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 16, 2015, 12:29:43 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 16, 2015, 12:26:34 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/07/nyregion/ron-darling-finds-the-calm-before-the-game.html
QuoteCROSSWORD AS CAKE Dessert for me is the New York Times crossword puzzle. I usually do it around 7 or 7:30. There's still nobody up, so it's a good time to concentrate. I'm probably an hour or half-hour guy with the puzzle — not in Bill Clinton's elite category, but not too bad.
Ha!
My savant-like recall of specific Reagan-era factoids is validated!
Speaking of idiot-savants, how the fuck can Ron Darling do that crossword, and be such an absolute dipshit every time I hear him open his wordhole?
I have no idea why this ever happened, but Ron Darling once came to our temple to meet all the kids and sign autographs when we were growing up. Right in the '84-86 timeframe, if I had to guess.
I'm not sure this is "I admit it" or a "Humblebrag" but I just felt like it deserved mentioning.
Did you at least maybe give him an Aliyah?
Quote from: CBStew on October 16, 2015, 07:54:34 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 16, 2015, 02:08:21 PM
Quote from: Bort on October 16, 2015, 01:05:14 PM
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Quote from: ChuckD on October 16, 2015, 12:26:34 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/07/nyregion/ron-darling-finds-the-calm-before-the-game.html
QuoteCROSSWORD AS CAKE Dessert for me is the New York Times crossword puzzle. I usually do it around 7 or 7:30. There's still nobody up, so it's a good time to concentrate. I'm probably an hour or half-hour guy with the puzzle — not in Bill Clinton's elite category, but not too bad.
Ha!
My savant-like recall of specific Reagan-era factoids is validated!
Speaking of idiot-savants, how the fuck can Ron Darling do that crossword, and be such an absolute dipshit every time I hear him open his wordhole?
I have no idea why this ever happened, but Ron Darling once came to our temple to meet all the kids and sign autographs when we were growing up. Right in the '84-86 timeframe, if I had to guess.
I'm not sure this is "I admit it" or a "Humblebrag" but I just felt like it deserved mentioning.
Did you at least maybe give him an Aliyah?
For the benefit of the uncircumcised, that is an honorific prayer said before the reading of a portion of the Torah. (Fork already knew that.)
Quote from: Slaky on October 16, 2015, 02:42:09 PM
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Quote from: Slaky on October 16, 2015, 01:25:26 PM
Fuck the Mets and Mets fans so hard. How can you even explain Mets fans? They shouldn't exist.
I would also like to say fuck Mets fans and their constant attempt to be like "BUT WHAT ABOUT OUR SADNESS?" Hearing this referred to as a series between two historically downtrodden franchises grinds my gears.
Fuck that. In their existence they've played in 4 world series and won 2, and they've been in 6 league championship series. Sure, they get overshadowed by the fucking Yankees in their hometown but on the "historically downtrodden" meter they can't even touch the Cubs or Indians or Brewers or Mariners or any number of goddamn teams that don't have four pennants and two world championships. How dare they try to complain things suck worse for them just because more people watch their fuckups.
I think that's a huge part of it for me. I hate that it's come to "we're sadder than you are" but jesus christ any Mets fan that's my age has seen his/her team play in a World Series a been alive for a championship.
You can't even say they were run worse than the Cubs were. They have no ground to stand on vs. the Cubs. Maybe that's why they hate us so much. And believe me, they hate us.
Bernie Madoff might disagree with this part.
His era is a microsecond on the Cubs' timeline of suck.
Nonetheless, it's a hilarious microsecond that never fails to amuse the ever-loving piss out of me. Bobby Bo is a personal hero of mine. I'm not kidding.
Cubs win first 2 games, lose Game three in extra innings, then win Games 4 and 5.
Left-to-right, motherogdens
Watching the pre-game press conference, and Jake Arrieta is the first guy I've seen to drink from the ornamental bottles of Gatorade that are always there. I don't know why, but I find that amusing.
Quote from: Canadouche on October 17, 2015, 04:23:02 PM
Watching the pre-game press conference, and Jake Arrieta is the first guy I've seen to drink from the ornamental bottles of Gatorade that are always there. I don't know why, but I find that amusing.
You need to get out more.
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Quote from: Canadouche on October 17, 2015, 04:23:02 PM
Watching the pre-game press conference, and Jake Arrieta is the first guy I've seen to drink from the ornamental bottles of Gatorade that are always there. I don't know why, but I find that amusing.
You need to get out more.
Yes.
What's with all the e's in Céspedes being pronounced as in "bet"?
Quote from: Wheezer on October 17, 2015, 07:25:54 PM
What's with all the <i>e</i>'s in Céspedes being pronounced as in "bet"?
What's with trying to run on Cespedes's arm
Singles to the 7 and 8 hitters. Nice shutdown inning, asshole.
Haren could have given them this performance tonight.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 17, 2015, 08:56:55 PM
Haren could have given them this performance tonight.
Nice outing from a gutless piece of shit.
With that said, the Cubs will still win this series. But I promise that their postseason success will owe nothing to Lester..
Quote from: PANK! on October 17, 2015, 09:45:58 AM
Cubs win first 2 games, lose Game three in extra innings, then win Games 4 and 5.
Left-to-right, motherogdens
Lesser Sacrament, it's on you from here out.
Fucking piece of shit.
Lester certainly failed tonight. But it would've been nice to see some timely hits.
Quote from: Canadouche on October 17, 2015, 09:27:43 PM
Lester certainly failed tonight. But it would've been nice to see some timely hits.
Might as well save the hits for a night your starter isn't giving up 4 earnies over 6.2.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 17, 2015, 09:34:34 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 17, 2015, 09:27:43 PM
Lester certainly failed tonight. But it would've been nice to see some timely hits.
Might as well save the hits for a night your starter isn't giving up 4 earnies over 6.2.
I'm either going to have to have the predictive ZORP subgroup analysis or change my plan to shape the ground beef into hamburgers for dinner.
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Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 17, 2015, 09:34:34 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 17, 2015, 09:27:43 PM
Lester certainly failed tonight. But it would've been nice to see some timely hits.
Might as well save the hits for a night your starter isn't giving up 4 earnies over 6.2.
I'm either going to have to have the predictive ZORP subgroup analysis or change my plan to shape the ground beef into hamburgers for dinner.
I'm really drunk, but I don't get it.
The last two starts Lester has had, he's gone on long rest. How has he pitched on 6+ days of rest in the past?
Speaking of rest, starting Synegaard tomorrow on 2 days of it with a win in the bank sounds worse and worse the more I think of it. So this means he throws 7 scoreless innings, right?
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 17, 2015, 09:34:34 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 17, 2015, 09:27:43 PM
Lester certainly failed tonight. But it would've been nice to see some timely hits.
Might as well save the hits for a night your starter isn't giving up 4 earnies over 6.2.
Yes, this is how hits work.
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Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 17, 2015, 09:34:34 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 17, 2015, 09:27:43 PM
Lester certainly failed tonight. But it would've been nice to see some timely hits.
Might as well save the hits for a night your starter isn't giving up 4 earnies over 6.2.
Yes, this is how hits work.
The Mets should be just about out by now then.
I have now developed a hatred for the Mets. This is fun
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Quote from: Wheezer on October 17, 2015, 09:53:47 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 17, 2015, 09:34:34 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 17, 2015, 09:27:43 PM
Lester certainly failed tonight. But it would've been nice to see some timely hits.
Might as well save the hits for a night your starter isn't giving up 4 earnies over 6.2.
I'm either going to have to have the predictive ZORP subgroup analysis or change my plan to shape the ground beef into hamburgers for dinner.
I'm really drunk, but I don't get it.
Despite your clever wordplay, the irony is duly noted.
...now what?
Quote from: Canadouche on October 18, 2015, 08:23:03 PM
...now what?
Pull Jake, and hope there's a Game 5 for him to start.
Don't worry, guys, Kyle Hendricks will get them back on track.
I tried talking myself up in 2008 after they pissed away the first 2 games vs. the Dodgers so I can do it here. For starters, this team is better. For another this is a best of 7, not 5. As bleak as it looks that our only 2 reliable pitchers lost the team's first 2 games, compare it to how rosy it looked prior to this series. Most objective observers would've expected the Cubs to come home with at least a split. Okay, guess what--baseball's funny--we've already known this. So it shoots our plan to shit of the Cubs winning in 5, and Arrieta starting Game 1 of the World Series. It doesn't mean anything's fucked.
Not that we have a choice, but I'm hanging my cat on the fact that nobody expects to see the Cubs win the next 2 games with Preperation H starting and so weird shit is going to have to continue to happen, is all. (an aside--I actually feel better, now, about Hammel starting than Haren, though at the beginning of the series I'd have preferred Haren. I envisioned Haren on the hill with the Cubs up 2-1 or 3-0 and felt good about it; now, I'd rather not see Haren if the Cubs were clinging to life or just down 2-1. Not that Hammel's much better of course)
We've got at least 18 innings of baseball left to watch this team. I'm going to try like hell to enjoy it, and not act surprised when they rip off the next 4*
* realizes this is blustery bullshit and I'll be a piddling mess in 36 hours
I still like your outlook, Huey.
While I've been living with a sick-to-my-stomach feeling for the last couple of days, I don't feel crushed yet. The Cubs still haven't played STUPID, they've just failed to produce. If they get outplayed and lose, oh well. If they play well enough to elevate my hope, only to THEN lose, that would be a different story.
Quote from: Canadouche on October 19, 2015, 07:57:50 AM
I still like your outlook, Huey.
While I've been living with a sick-to-my-stomach feeling for the last couple of days, I don't feel crushed yet. The Cubs still haven't played STUPID, they've just failed to produce. If they get outplayed and lose, oh well. If they play well enough to elevate my hope, only to THEN lose, that would be a different story.
If Coughlan hit the ball a foot higher none of us might feel the way we feel this morning. And there have been plenty of opportunities to give up on the Cubs before - this is hardly the time to start.
A series doesn't really start until a home team loses.... but when you've used your two best pitchers that does change things. Yesterday wasn't a must win, but it felt like it. So maybe it was. They just need to score first on Tuesday and then I think everyone can relax a little.
Highs in the 70s tomorrow and Wednesday, so plenty warm enough to thaw Jorge from his carbonite slumber, and I know it doesn't work this way but I'm going to keep telling myself that luck is going to turn around for this offense. I just refuse to believe that group of slapdick Mets led by Dickbeard Murphy (h/t: Slaky) is going to the World Series.
Quote from: Tony on October 19, 2015, 09:02:25 AM
A series doesn't really start until a home team loses.... but when you've used your two best pitchers that does change things. Yesterday wasn't a must win, but it felt like it. So maybe it was. They just need to score first on Tuesday and then I think everyone can relax a little.
They just need to win tomorrow. That guarantees them two more games. Win tomorrow and Hammel can go out on Wednesday and spray diarrhea all over the mound for a few innings and they'd still get another crack at the Lester/Arrieta part of the rotation. Long odds, for sure, but they can right the ship tomorrow.
Quote from: Eli on October 19, 2015, 09:08:48 AM
Quote from: Tony on October 19, 2015, 09:02:25 AM
A series doesn't really start until a home team loses.... but when you've used your two best pitchers that does change things. Yesterday wasn't a must win, but it felt like it. So maybe it was. They just need to score first on Tuesday and then I think everyone can relax a little.
They just need to win tomorrow. That guarantees them two more games. Win tomorrow and Hammel can go out on Wednesday and spray diarrhea all over the mound for a few innings and they'd still get another crack at the Lester/Arrieta part of the rotation. Long odds, for sure, but they can right the ship tomorrow.
It would make a pretty epic story if Hammels and Hendricks picked up Arrieta and Lester to make up for all of the fucking times those two had to right the ship after either of the H's laid an egg.
Quote from: Eli on October 19, 2015, 09:08:48 AM
Quote from: Tony on October 19, 2015, 09:02:25 AM
A series doesn't really start until a home team loses.... but when you've used your two best pitchers that does change things. Yesterday wasn't a must win, but it felt like it. So maybe it was. They just need to score first on Tuesday and then I think everyone can relax a little.
They just need to win tomorrow. That guarantees them two more games. Win tomorrow and Hammel can go out on Wednesday and spray diarrhea all over the mound for a few innings and they'd still get another crack at the Lester/Arrieta part of the rotation. Long odds, for sure, but they can right the ship tomorrow.
That's the beauty of a seven game series. There's still time. There's still time.....
Quote from: Eli on October 19, 2015, 09:08:48 AM
Quote from: Tony on October 19, 2015, 09:02:25 AM
A series doesn't really start until a home team loses.... but when you've used your two best pitchers that does change things. Yesterday wasn't a must win, but it felt like it. So maybe it was. They just need to score first on Tuesday and then I think everyone can relax a little.
They just need to win tomorrow. That guarantees them two more games. Win tomorrow and Hammel can go out on Wednesday and spray diarrhea all over the mound for a few innings and they'd still get another crack at the Lester/Arrieta part of the rotation. Long odds, for sure, but they can right the ship tomorrow.
And then the thunderous shoe drop of Kyle Hendricks in Game 7.
(screams)
Quote from: PANK! on October 19, 2015, 09:12:21 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 19, 2015, 09:08:48 AM
Quote from: Tony on October 19, 2015, 09:02:25 AM
A series doesn't really start until a home team loses.... but when you've used your two best pitchers that does change things. Yesterday wasn't a must win, but it felt like it. So maybe it was. They just need to score first on Tuesday and then I think everyone can relax a little.
They just need to win tomorrow. That guarantees them two more games. Win tomorrow and Hammel can go out on Wednesday and spray diarrhea all over the mound for a few innings and they'd still get another crack at the Lester/Arrieta part of the rotation. Long odds, for sure, but they can right the ship tomorrow.
And then the thunderous shoe drop of Kyle Hendricks in Game 7.
(screams)
*puts $10 down on Kyle Hendricks winning NLCS MVP*
Here's the thing:
The Mets had a big first inning and really didn't do anything after. They haven't exactly pounded the Cubs in either game. Their starting pitchers were better than ours. Our bats didn't do anything.
In my mind, because this is how I'm conditioned, when it's the Blackhawks in a series hole, I always know they'll fight back and make it square. They almost always do.
The Cubs are not the Hawks and most of you don't give a fuck about hockey but this is about our mindset.
Not sure about most of you zen motherfuckers but I was irate during the first 2 innings last night. Watching my personal hero shit the mound in the first inning and give up a homer to the Human Baseball Meme pissed me off to the point where I said something shitty to my family and ended up spending the next hour plus thinking about why a fucking baseball game would make me throw a fit like a baby in the first place.
2 bad games does not make a series. It takes 4. Thursday morning the season might be over, or we might be talking about how a Chicago Cubs player went white-hot and torched the vaunted Mets starting pitching like Guy Montag heading into a pivotal game 5.
Eli said it somewhere last night: we have all offseason to be upset about losing this series so why start now? It's not over yet.
EDIT: Also the Mets. The fucking Mets, man. Don't they proclaim to be some kind of tortured franchise that always fucks things up? They're the METS. Their reputation is on the line here. You think they're going to roll through us without breaking a sweat? Not a chance.
Have any of ChuckD's fellow statgoons taken a look at the weirdness that is going on with really good veteran pitchers in the postseason? Kershaw, Price, Arrieta, Lester have been pretty bad in the aggregate the last two years in the playoffs after being great in the regular season. Is there something to pitchers with X amount of mileage on their arms (either in their career and/or that particular season) running out of gas in the playoffs? As opposed to young dickheads like Beckett, Harvey and Syndegaard who are out there throwing darts in October?
Or maybe it's just a blip and I'm grasping at straws after a couple of shitty performances.
Quote from: Slaky on October 19, 2015, 09:29:07 AM
Here's the thing:
The Mets had a big first inning and really didn't do anything after. They haven't exactly pounded the Cubs in either game. Their starting pitchers were better than ours. Our bats didn't do anything.
In my mind, because this is how I'm conditioned, when it's the Blackhawks in a series hole, I always know they'll fight back and make it square. They almost always do.
The Cubs are not the Hawks and most of you don't give a fuck about hockey but this is about our mindset.
Not sure about most of you zen motherfuckers but I was irate during the first 2 innings last night. Watching my personal hero shit the mound in the first inning and give up a homer to the Human Baseball Meme pissed me off to the point where I said something shitty to my family and ended up spending the next hour plus thinking about why a fucking baseball game would make me throw a fit like a baby in the first place.
2 bad games does not make a series. It takes 4. Thursday morning the season might be over, or we might be talking about how a Chicago Cubs player went white-hot and torched the vaunted Mets starting pitching like Guy Montag heading into a pivotal game 5.
Eli said it somewhere last night: we have all offseason to be upset about losing this series so why start now? It's not over yet.
I thought about that last night. Weren't the Hawks down to an elimination game against Nashville or some stupid team when Kane and Hossa combined for a crazy goal after a power play ended during the first cup run? If this Cubs team is going to be different, like the new Hawks are different, then they will battle back in this series. If they're done after losing two road games in a seven game series then why are we even bothering to watch in the first place?
Quote from: Tony on October 19, 2015, 09:36:22 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 19, 2015, 09:29:07 AM
Here's the thing:
The Mets had a big first inning and really didn't do anything after. They haven't exactly pounded the Cubs in either game. Their starting pitchers were better than ours. Our bats didn't do anything.
In my mind, because this is how I'm conditioned, when it's the Blackhawks in a series hole, I always know they'll fight back and make it square. They almost always do.
The Cubs are not the Hawks and most of you don't give a fuck about hockey but this is about our mindset.
Not sure about most of you zen motherfuckers but I was irate during the first 2 innings last night. Watching my personal hero shit the mound in the first inning and give up a homer to the Human Baseball Meme pissed me off to the point where I said something shitty to my family and ended up spending the next hour plus thinking about why a fucking baseball game would make me throw a fit like a baby in the first place.
2 bad games does not make a series. It takes 4. Thursday morning the season might be over, or we might be talking about how a Chicago Cubs player went white-hot and torched the vaunted Mets starting pitching like Guy Montag heading into a pivotal game 5.
Eli said it somewhere last night: we have all offseason to be upset about losing this series so why start now? It's not over yet.
I thought about that last night. Weren't the Hawks down to an elimination game against Nashville or some stupid team when Kane and Hossa combined for a crazy goal after a power play ended during the first cup run? If this Cubs team is going to be different, like the new Hawks are different, then they will battle back in this series. If they're done after losing two road games in a seven game series then why are we even bothering to watch in the first place?
Yes. Also in the other years they had their backs against the wall Down 3-1 to fucking Detroit, a far inferior team. Down 3-2 to Anaheim.
Championship teams face adversity. The Cubs will face it tomorrow. They'll face it the next day. They will face it in any postseason they are lucky enough to qualify for from now until we're all dead in the cold ground.
We're all guilty of letting our collective experience watching Cubs baseball get to us. We knew this would be painful at times. It's painful now. That doesn't mean it's over.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 19, 2015, 08:22:58 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 19, 2015, 07:57:50 AM
I still like your outlook, Huey.
While I've been living with a sick-to-my-stomach feeling for the last couple of days, I don't feel crushed yet. The Cubs still haven't played STUPID, they've just failed to produce. If they get outplayed and lose, oh well. If they play well enough to elevate my hope, only to THEN lose, that would be a different story.
If Coughlan hit the ball a foot higher none of us might feel the way we feel this morning. And there have been plenty of opportunities to give up on the Cubs before - this is hardly the time to start.
I wouldn't say I'm giving up on the Cubs. But my unbridled optimisim is always put away. I wouldn't be able to handle having high hopes and being disappointed. So, I have moderate hopes.
Quote from: Slaky on October 19, 2015, 09:39:41 AM
Quote from: Tony on October 19, 2015, 09:36:22 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 19, 2015, 09:29:07 AM
Here's the thing:
The Mets had a big first inning and really didn't do anything after. They haven't exactly pounded the Cubs in either game. Their starting pitchers were better than ours. Our bats didn't do anything.
In my mind, because this is how I'm conditioned, when it's the Blackhawks in a series hole, I always know they'll fight back and make it square. They almost always do.
The Cubs are not the Hawks and most of you don't give a fuck about hockey but this is about our mindset.
Not sure about most of you zen motherfuckers but I was irate during the first 2 innings last night. Watching my personal hero shit the mound in the first inning and give up a homer to the Human Baseball Meme pissed me off to the point where I said something shitty to my family and ended up spending the next hour plus thinking about why a fucking baseball game would make me throw a fit like a baby in the first place.
2 bad games does not make a series. It takes 4. Thursday morning the season might be over, or we might be talking about how a Chicago Cubs player went white-hot and torched the vaunted Mets starting pitching like Guy Montag heading into a pivotal game 5.
Eli said it somewhere last night: we have all offseason to be upset about losing this series so why start now? It's not over yet.
I thought about that last night. Weren't the Hawks down to an elimination game against Nashville or some stupid team when Kane and Hossa combined for a crazy goal after a power play ended during the first cup run? If this Cubs team is going to be different, like the new Hawks are different, then they will battle back in this series. If they're done after losing two road games in a seven game series then why are we even bothering to watch in the first place?
Yes. Also in the other years they had their backs against the wall Down 3-1 to fucking Detroit, a far inferior team. Down 3-2 to Anaheim.
Championship teams face adversity. The Cubs will face it tomorrow. They'll face it the next day. They will face it in any postseason they are lucky enough to qualify for from now until we're all dead in the cold ground.
We're all guilty of letting our collective experience watching Cubs baseball get to us. We knew this would be painful at times. It's painful now. That doesn't mean it's over.
But in hockey it's the same fucking assholes ramming into each other at top speed the next night and the puck could bounce either way. You don't have Mr. Giant Skate Balls and his mighty Ass Rape Stick waiting for your in the next game, when he wasn't there before. The Cubs had such a person on the mound in game two and his arm is glue because he's 90 innings over his career high and had to stretch beyond reason in a play-in game just to put the Cubs in the postseason.
All of this is awful and I hate sports.
Quote from: InternetApex on October 19, 2015, 09:55:41 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 19, 2015, 09:39:41 AM
Quote from: Tony on October 19, 2015, 09:36:22 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 19, 2015, 09:29:07 AM
Here's the thing:
The Mets had a big first inning and really didn't do anything after. They haven't exactly pounded the Cubs in either game. Their starting pitchers were better than ours. Our bats didn't do anything.
In my mind, because this is how I'm conditioned, when it's the Blackhawks in a series hole, I always know they'll fight back and make it square. They almost always do.
The Cubs are not the Hawks and most of you don't give a fuck about hockey but this is about our mindset.
Not sure about most of you zen motherfuckers but I was irate during the first 2 innings last night. Watching my personal hero shit the mound in the first inning and give up a homer to the Human Baseball Meme pissed me off to the point where I said something shitty to my family and ended up spending the next hour plus thinking about why a fucking baseball game would make me throw a fit like a baby in the first place.
2 bad games does not make a series. It takes 4. Thursday morning the season might be over, or we might be talking about how a Chicago Cubs player went white-hot and torched the vaunted Mets starting pitching like Guy Montag heading into a pivotal game 5.
Eli said it somewhere last night: we have all offseason to be upset about losing this series so why start now? It's not over yet.
I thought about that last night. Weren't the Hawks down to an elimination game against Nashville or some stupid team when Kane and Hossa combined for a crazy goal after a power play ended during the first cup run? If this Cubs team is going to be different, like the new Hawks are different, then they will battle back in this series. If they're done after losing two road games in a seven game series then why are we even bothering to watch in the first place?
Yes. Also in the other years they had their backs against the wall Down 3-1 to fucking Detroit, a far inferior team. Down 3-2 to Anaheim.
Championship teams face adversity. The Cubs will face it tomorrow. They'll face it the next day. They will face it in any postseason they are lucky enough to qualify for from now until we're all dead in the cold ground.
We're all guilty of letting our collective experience watching Cubs baseball get to us. We knew this would be painful at times. It's painful now. That doesn't mean it's over.
But in hockey it's the same fucking assholes ramming into each other at top speed the next night and the puck could bounce either way. You don't have Mr. Giant Skate Balls and his mighty Ass Rape Stick waiting for your in the next game, when he wasn't there before. The Cubs had such a person on the mound in game two and his arm is glue because he's 90 innings over his career high and had to stretch beyond reason in a play-in game just to put the Cubs in the postseason.
All of this is awful and I hate sports.
Yes you do. You have goaltenders. One fucking goaltender can ruin a whole series. It happens all the time. At least in baseball you get a different "goaltender" each night instead of the same impenetrable asshole. deGrom's gonna fuck this up.
Quote from: Tony on October 19, 2015, 09:36:22 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 19, 2015, 09:29:07 AM
Here's the thing:
The Mets had a big first inning and really didn't do anything after. They haven't exactly pounded the Cubs in either game. Their starting pitchers were better than ours. Our bats didn't do anything.
In my mind, because this is how I'm conditioned, when it's the Blackhawks in a series hole, I always know they'll fight back and make it square. They almost always do.
The Cubs are not the Hawks and most of you don't give a fuck about hockey but this is about our mindset.
Not sure about most of you zen motherfuckers but I was irate during the first 2 innings last night. Watching my personal hero shit the mound in the first inning and give up a homer to the Human Baseball Meme pissed me off to the point where I said something shitty to my family and ended up spending the next hour plus thinking about why a fucking baseball game would make me throw a fit like a baby in the first place.
2 bad games does not make a series. It takes 4. Thursday morning the season might be over, or we might be talking about how a Chicago Cubs player went white-hot and torched the vaunted Mets starting pitching like Guy Montag heading into a pivotal game 5.
Eli said it somewhere last night: we have all offseason to be upset about losing this series so why start now? It's not over yet.
I thought about that last night. Weren't the Hawks down to an elimination game against Nashville or some stupid team when Kane and Hossa combined for a crazy goal after a power play ended during the first cup run? If this Cubs team is going to be different, like the new Hawks are different, then they will battle back in this series. If they're done after losing two road games in a seven game series then why are we even bothering to watch in the first place?
It was game 5. The series would have gone to 3-2 Nashville, with 2 games left
Quote from: Yeti on October 19, 2015, 11:17:42 AM
Quote from: Tony on October 19, 2015, 09:36:22 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 19, 2015, 09:29:07 AM
Here's the thing:
The Mets had a big first inning and really didn't do anything after. They haven't exactly pounded the Cubs in either game. Their starting pitchers were better than ours. Our bats didn't do anything.
In my mind, because this is how I'm conditioned, when it's the Blackhawks in a series hole, I always know they'll fight back and make it square. They almost always do.
The Cubs are not the Hawks and most of you don't give a fuck about hockey but this is about our mindset.
Not sure about most of you zen motherfuckers but I was irate during the first 2 innings last night. Watching my personal hero shit the mound in the first inning and give up a homer to the Human Baseball Meme pissed me off to the point where I said something shitty to my family and ended up spending the next hour plus thinking about why a fucking baseball game would make me throw a fit like a baby in the first place.
2 bad games does not make a series. It takes 4. Thursday morning the season might be over, or we might be talking about how a Chicago Cubs player went white-hot and torched the vaunted Mets starting pitching like Guy Montag heading into a pivotal game 5.
Eli said it somewhere last night: we have all offseason to be upset about losing this series so why start now? It's not over yet.
I thought about that last night. Weren't the Hawks down to an elimination game against Nashville or some stupid team when Kane and Hossa combined for a crazy goal after a power play ended during the first cup run? If this Cubs team is going to be different, like the new Hawks are different, then they will battle back in this series. If they're done after losing two road games in a seven game series then why are we even bothering to watch in the first place?
It was game 5. The series would have gone to 3-2 Nashville, with 2 games left
The point remains that the Blackhawks proved if you're going to be championshiop-caliber, which is what we still hope from the Cubs--that you simply work your way out of these difficult situations.
The Hawks were down in the series 2-1 to Vancouver in '09 and losing by a goal late in the third in Game 4 before rallying. The next year--after they were staring into the abyss in the aforementioned Nashville series-- they also found themselves down 1-0 to Vancouver, and a 2-goal deficit in Game 2. Again they came back. They nearly pulled off the improbable against Vancouver in 2011 by coming back from down 3-0, came back down 3-1 against Detroit in 2013 as has been mentioned, and then very nearly came back from 3-1 deficit to the LA Kings in 2014. Rife are examples where that particular championship team never panicked, and so often rallied back
There's also the Bulls, who lost the first 2 games to the Knicks in '93 after Starks' signature jam, and then won 4 straight on their way to their first three-peat. The Bulls were also behind in their first 2 NBA Finals before winning both somewhat handily.
I just don't see this team going out with a whimper like the '08 team. They may still lose, but if they do, it's going to be some serious work for the Mets to finish them off.
Quote from: PANK! on October 19, 2015, 11:45:07 AM
Quote from: Yeti on October 19, 2015, 11:17:42 AM
Quote from: Tony on October 19, 2015, 09:36:22 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 19, 2015, 09:29:07 AM
Here's the thing:
The Mets had a big first inning and really didn't do anything after. They haven't exactly pounded the Cubs in either game. Their starting pitchers were better than ours. Our bats didn't do anything.
In my mind, because this is how I'm conditioned, when it's the Blackhawks in a series hole, I always know they'll fight back and make it square. They almost always do.
The Cubs are not the Hawks and most of you don't give a fuck about hockey but this is about our mindset.
Not sure about most of you zen motherfuckers but I was irate during the first 2 innings last night. Watching my personal hero shit the mound in the first inning and give up a homer to the Human Baseball Meme pissed me off to the point where I said something shitty to my family and ended up spending the next hour plus thinking about why a fucking baseball game would make me throw a fit like a baby in the first place.
2 bad games does not make a series. It takes 4. Thursday morning the season might be over, or we might be talking about how a Chicago Cubs player went white-hot and torched the vaunted Mets starting pitching like Guy Montag heading into a pivotal game 5.
Eli said it somewhere last night: we have all offseason to be upset about losing this series so why start now? It's not over yet.
I thought about that last night. Weren't the Hawks down to an elimination game against Nashville or some stupid team when Kane and Hossa combined for a crazy goal after a power play ended during the first cup run? If this Cubs team is going to be different, like the new Hawks are different, then they will battle back in this series. If they're done after losing two road games in a seven game series then why are we even bothering to watch in the first place?
It was game 5. The series would have gone to 3-2 Nashville, with 2 games left
The point remains that the Blackhawks proved if you're going to be championshiop-caliber, which is what we still hope from the Cubs--that you simply work your way out of these difficult situations.
The Hawks were down in the series 2-1 to Vancouver in '09 and losing by a goal late in the third in Game 4 before rallying. The next year--after they were staring into the abyss in the aforementioned Nashville series-- they also found themselves down 1-0 to Vancouver, and a 2-goal deficit in Game 2. Again they came back. They nearly pulled off the improbable against Vancouver in 2011 by coming back from down 3-0, came back down 3-1 against Detroit in 2013 as has been mentioned, and then very nearly came back from 3-1 deficit to the LA Kings in 2014. Rife are examples where that particular championship team never panicked, and so often rallied back
There's also the Bulls, who lost the first 2 games to the Knicks in '93 after Starks' signature jam, and then won 4 straight on their way to their first three-peat. The Bulls were also behind in their first 2 NBA Finals before winning both somewhat handily.
I just don't see this team going out with a whimper like the '08 team. They may still lose, but if they do, it's going to be some serious work for the Mets to finish them off.
The point remains: it's the Mets. THE METS. They just leaked that they won't be re-signing Daniel Murphy in the offseason after the hottest streak of his career in the most opportune period of time. The METS.
Quote from: Slaky on October 19, 2015, 11:54:04 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 19, 2015, 11:45:07 AM
Quote from: Yeti on October 19, 2015, 11:17:42 AM
Quote from: Tony on October 19, 2015, 09:36:22 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 19, 2015, 09:29:07 AM
Here's the thing:
The Mets had a big first inning and really didn't do anything after. They haven't exactly pounded the Cubs in either game. Their starting pitchers were better than ours. Our bats didn't do anything.
In my mind, because this is how I'm conditioned, when it's the Blackhawks in a series hole, I always know they'll fight back and make it square. They almost always do.
The Cubs are not the Hawks and most of you don't give a fuck about hockey but this is about our mindset.
Not sure about most of you zen motherfuckers but I was irate during the first 2 innings last night. Watching my personal hero shit the mound in the first inning and give up a homer to the Human Baseball Meme pissed me off to the point where I said something shitty to my family and ended up spending the next hour plus thinking about why a fucking baseball game would make me throw a fit like a baby in the first place.
2 bad games does not make a series. It takes 4. Thursday morning the season might be over, or we might be talking about how a Chicago Cubs player went white-hot and torched the vaunted Mets starting pitching like Guy Montag heading into a pivotal game 5.
Eli said it somewhere last night: we have all offseason to be upset about losing this series so why start now? It's not over yet.
I thought about that last night. Weren't the Hawks down to an elimination game against Nashville or some stupid team when Kane and Hossa combined for a crazy goal after a power play ended during the first cup run? If this Cubs team is going to be different, like the new Hawks are different, then they will battle back in this series. If they're done after losing two road games in a seven game series then why are we even bothering to watch in the first place?
It was game 5. The series would have gone to 3-2 Nashville, with 2 games left
The point remains that the Blackhawks proved if you're going to be championshiop-caliber, which is what we still hope from the Cubs--that you simply work your way out of these difficult situations.
The Hawks were down in the series 2-1 to Vancouver in '09 and losing by a goal late in the third in Game 4 before rallying. The next year--after they were staring into the abyss in the aforementioned Nashville series-- they also found themselves down 1-0 to Vancouver, and a 2-goal deficit in Game 2. Again they came back. They nearly pulled off the improbable against Vancouver in 2011 by coming back from down 3-0, came back down 3-1 against Detroit in 2013 as has been mentioned, and then very nearly came back from 3-1 deficit to the LA Kings in 2014. Rife are examples where that particular championship team never panicked, and so often rallied back
There's also the Bulls, who lost the first 2 games to the Knicks in '93 after Starks' signature jam, and then won 4 straight on their way to their first three-peat. The Bulls were also behind in their first 2 NBA Finals before winning both somewhat handily.
I just don't see this team going out with a whimper like the '08 team. They may still lose, but if they do, it's going to be some serious work for the Mets to finish them off.
The point remains: it's the Mets. THE METS. They just leaked that they won't be re-signing Daniel Murphy in the offseason after the hottest streak of his career in the most opportune period of time. The METS.
Not that the leaking of the news is smart, but Murphy is sure as shit going to get a free agent contract that somebody soon regrets.
Quote from: PANK! on October 19, 2015, 11:45:07 AM
Quote from: Yeti on October 19, 2015, 11:17:42 AM
Quote from: Tony on October 19, 2015, 09:36:22 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 19, 2015, 09:29:07 AM
Here's the thing:
The Mets had a big first inning and really didn't do anything after. They haven't exactly pounded the Cubs in either game. Their starting pitchers were better than ours. Our bats didn't do anything.
In my mind, because this is how I'm conditioned, when it's the Blackhawks in a series hole, I always know they'll fight back and make it square. They almost always do.
The Cubs are not the Hawks and most of you don't give a fuck about hockey but this is about our mindset.
Not sure about most of you zen motherfuckers but I was irate during the first 2 innings last night. Watching my personal hero shit the mound in the first inning and give up a homer to the Human Baseball Meme pissed me off to the point where I said something shitty to my family and ended up spending the next hour plus thinking about why a fucking baseball game would make me throw a fit like a baby in the first place.
2 bad games does not make a series. It takes 4. Thursday morning the season might be over, or we might be talking about how a Chicago Cubs player went white-hot and torched the vaunted Mets starting pitching like Guy Montag heading into a pivotal game 5.
Eli said it somewhere last night: we have all offseason to be upset about losing this series so why start now? It's not over yet.
I thought about that last night. Weren't the Hawks down to an elimination game against Nashville or some stupid team when Kane and Hossa combined for a crazy goal after a power play ended during the first cup run? If this Cubs team is going to be different, like the new Hawks are different, then they will battle back in this series. If they're done after losing two road games in a seven game series then why are we even bothering to watch in the first place?
It was game 5. The series would have gone to 3-2 Nashville, with 2 games left
The point remains that the Blackhawks proved if you're going to be championshiop-caliber, which is what we still hope from the Cubs--that you simply work your way out of these difficult situations.
The Hawks were down in the series 2-1 to Vancouver in '09 and losing by a goal late in the third in Game 4 before rallying. The next year--after they were staring into the abyss in the aforementioned Nashville series-- they also found themselves down 1-0 to Vancouver, and a 2-goal deficit in Game 2. Again they came back. They nearly pulled off the improbable against Vancouver in 2011 by coming back from down 3-0, came back down 3-1 against Detroit in 2013 as has been mentioned, and then very nearly came back from 3-1 deficit to the LA Kings in 2014. Rife are examples where that particular championship team never panicked, and so often rallied back
There's also the Bulls, who lost the first 2 games to the Knicks in '93 after Starks' signature jam, and then won 4 straight on their way to their first three-peat. The Bulls were also behind in their first 2 NBA Finals before winning both somewhat handily.
I just don't see this team going out with a whimper like the '08 team. They may still lose, but if they do, it's going to be some serious work for the Mets to finish them off.
This Cubs team is a helluva lot like the current Blackhawks, in that even if they get knocked out they're either going out in pieces (2012) or guns blazing (2011, 2013). Or they're winning the whole fucking thing (2010, 2013, 2015). They're not going to be a bye for anybody, ever.
This shit is still a long way from over. I think they will piss all over Wrigley, marking their territory, and outhit whatever escapades Kendricks and Hammel get going.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 19, 2015, 12:07:16 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 19, 2015, 11:45:07 AM
Quote from: Yeti on October 19, 2015, 11:17:42 AM
Quote from: Tony on October 19, 2015, 09:36:22 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 19, 2015, 09:29:07 AM
Here's the thing:
The Mets had a big first inning and really didn't do anything after. They haven't exactly pounded the Cubs in either game. Their starting pitchers were better than ours. Our bats didn't do anything.
In my mind, because this is how I'm conditioned, when it's the Blackhawks in a series hole, I always know they'll fight back and make it square. They almost always do.
The Cubs are not the Hawks and most of you don't give a fuck about hockey but this is about our mindset.
Not sure about most of you zen motherfuckers but I was irate during the first 2 innings last night. Watching my personal hero shit the mound in the first inning and give up a homer to the Human Baseball Meme pissed me off to the point where I said something shitty to my family and ended up spending the next hour plus thinking about why a fucking baseball game would make me throw a fit like a baby in the first place.
2 bad games does not make a series. It takes 4. Thursday morning the season might be over, or we might be talking about how a Chicago Cubs player went white-hot and torched the vaunted Mets starting pitching like Guy Montag heading into a pivotal game 5.
Eli said it somewhere last night: we have all offseason to be upset about losing this series so why start now? It's not over yet.
I thought about that last night. Weren't the Hawks down to an elimination game against Nashville or some stupid team when Kane and Hossa combined for a crazy goal after a power play ended during the first cup run? If this Cubs team is going to be different, like the new Hawks are different, then they will battle back in this series. If they're done after losing two road games in a seven game series then why are we even bothering to watch in the first place?
It was game 5. The series would have gone to 3-2 Nashville, with 2 games left
The point remains that the Blackhawks proved if you're going to be championshiop-caliber, which is what we still hope from the Cubs--that you simply work your way out of these difficult situations.
The Hawks were down in the series 2-1 to Vancouver in '09 and losing by a goal late in the third in Game 4 before rallying. The next year--after they were staring into the abyss in the aforementioned Nashville series-- they also found themselves down 1-0 to Vancouver, and a 2-goal deficit in Game 2. Again they came back. They nearly pulled off the improbable against Vancouver in 2011 by coming back from down 3-0, came back down 3-1 against Detroit in 2013 as has been mentioned, and then very nearly came back from 3-1 deficit to the LA Kings in 2014. Rife are examples where that particular championship team never panicked, and so often rallied back
There's also the Bulls, who lost the first 2 games to the Knicks in '93 after Starks' signature jam, and then won 4 straight on their way to their first three-peat. The Bulls were also behind in their first 2 NBA Finals before winning both somewhat handily.
I just don't see this team going out with a whimper like the '08 team. They may still lose, but if they do, it's going to be some serious work for the Mets to finish them off.
This Cubs team is a helluva lot like the current Blackhawks, in that even if they get knocked out they're either going out in pieces (2012) or guns blazing (2011, 2013). Or they're winning the whole fucking thing (2010, 2013, 2015). They're not going to be a bye for anybody, ever.
This shit is still a long way from over. I think they will piss all over Wrigley, marking their territory, and outhit whatever escapades Kendricks and Hammel get going.
If we want to really draw the parallel, we can just say this team is the 2009 Blackhawks: got further than we initially expected (I know, Eli, we can adjust expectations) and then win the following year, so buy 2016 WS tickets?
I really don't want that, though. Sweep these fuckers gone
Quote from: Yeti on October 19, 2015, 12:26:39 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 19, 2015, 12:07:16 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 19, 2015, 11:45:07 AM
Quote from: Yeti on October 19, 2015, 11:17:42 AM
Quote from: Tony on October 19, 2015, 09:36:22 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 19, 2015, 09:29:07 AM
Here's the thing:
The Mets had a big first inning and really didn't do anything after. They haven't exactly pounded the Cubs in either game. Their starting pitchers were better than ours. Our bats didn't do anything.
In my mind, because this is how I'm conditioned, when it's the Blackhawks in a series hole, I always know they'll fight back and make it square. They almost always do.
The Cubs are not the Hawks and most of you don't give a fuck about hockey but this is about our mindset.
Not sure about most of you zen motherfuckers but I was irate during the first 2 innings last night. Watching my personal hero shit the mound in the first inning and give up a homer to the Human Baseball Meme pissed me off to the point where I said something shitty to my family and ended up spending the next hour plus thinking about why a fucking baseball game would make me throw a fit like a baby in the first place.
2 bad games does not make a series. It takes 4. Thursday morning the season might be over, or we might be talking about how a Chicago Cubs player went white-hot and torched the vaunted Mets starting pitching like Guy Montag heading into a pivotal game 5.
Eli said it somewhere last night: we have all offseason to be upset about losing this series so why start now? It's not over yet.
I thought about that last night. Weren't the Hawks down to an elimination game against Nashville or some stupid team when Kane and Hossa combined for a crazy goal after a power play ended during the first cup run? If this Cubs team is going to be different, like the new Hawks are different, then they will battle back in this series. If they're done after losing two road games in a seven game series then why are we even bothering to watch in the first place?
It was game 5. The series would have gone to 3-2 Nashville, with 2 games left
The point remains that the Blackhawks proved if you're going to be championshiop-caliber, which is what we still hope from the Cubs--that you simply work your way out of these difficult situations.
The Hawks were down in the series 2-1 to Vancouver in '09 and losing by a goal late in the third in Game 4 before rallying. The next year--after they were staring into the abyss in the aforementioned Nashville series-- they also found themselves down 1-0 to Vancouver, and a 2-goal deficit in Game 2. Again they came back. They nearly pulled off the improbable against Vancouver in 2011 by coming back from down 3-0, came back down 3-1 against Detroit in 2013 as has been mentioned, and then very nearly came back from 3-1 deficit to the LA Kings in 2014. Rife are examples where that particular championship team never panicked, and so often rallied back
There's also the Bulls, who lost the first 2 games to the Knicks in '93 after Starks' signature jam, and then won 4 straight on their way to their first three-peat. The Bulls were also behind in their first 2 NBA Finals before winning both somewhat handily.
I just don't see this team going out with a whimper like the '08 team. They may still lose, but if they do, it's going to be some serious work for the Mets to finish them off.
This Cubs team is a helluva lot like the current Blackhawks, in that even if they get knocked out they're either going out in pieces (2012) or guns blazing (2011, 2013). Or they're winning the whole fucking thing (2010, 2013, 2015). They're not going to be a bye for anybody, ever.
This shit is still a long way from over. I think they will piss all over Wrigley, marking their territory, and outhit whatever escapades Kendricks and Hammel get going.
If we want to really draw the parallel, we can just say this team is the 2009 Blackhawks: got further than we initially expected (I know, Eli, we can adjust expectations) and then win the following year, so buy 2016 WS tickets?
I really don't want that, though. Sweep these fuckers gone
That comparison is already blown because the Cubs beat the Cards and the Hawks lost to the Wings that year.
It doesn't matter. The Cubs are better than the 2009 Hawks were relative to the rest of the league.
Comparing the Cubs to the Blackhawks reminds of the time Fork estimated a pro athlete's injury recovery time based on his own experiences with a similar injury.
Quote from: Slaky on October 19, 2015, 12:29:08 PM
That comparison is already blown because the Cubs beat the Cards and the Hawks lost to the Wings that year.
It doesn't matter. The Cubs are better than the 2009 Hawks were relative to the rest of the league.
The comparison is still pretty valid, they took a bunch of young studs and went from perennial playoff spectators to one of the top 4 teams in one year.
If this is winds up being where the train pulls into the station, then we can say that Lester is Brian Campbell, and now we just wait to see who becomes Marian Hossa.
I don't understand any of these stupid hockey analogies.
I don't think the Cubs are out of it by any stretch, but my hopes for a series comeback are not high. I have two tickets for tomorrow's Game 3, and my brother is flying in from Arizona to go with me. I am excited to go to the game, but I keep telling myself that I won't be despondent if they lose.
The Cubs won 8 in a row to end the season: 1 vs. PIT, 1 vs. KC, 3 @ Cincy and Milwaukee each. They then won 1 @ PIT for a 9 game winning streak. They then won three in a row after losing that opener to Lackey. That 12 of 13 run followed a 3-game losing streak (the only time in 13 tries the Brewers beat them after the All-Star Break and two vs. Pittsburgh). and that came after winning 7 of 8 (3 @ Pittsburgh, 2 vs. St. Louis and 2 vs. Milwaukee). What was before that? A three game losing streak, including two at Philly. Everytime they have a hiccup like this where we leave them for dead, they get on a prolonged streak. Is there time for them to right the ship? We'll find out.
The Mets got hot and really haven't had time to slow down until today. Remember, they had four cross country flights (to LA Oct. 7 or 8, to NY Oct. 11, to LA Oct. 14, to NY Oct. 16) with games in between. The Cubs' travel has been nice and light: a quick hop to Pittsburgh 10/5 after a 90 minute drive home, another quick hop to St. Louis Oct. 8, a quick hop to Chicago Oct. 10, followed by brunch and football and a light workout at Wrigley Sunday, with off days Wednesday and Thursday before a ride to New York.
What am I saying? I have no idea, except that maybe this off day benefits the Cubs and hurts the Mets. Maybe.
By the way, how long was Matz throwing in the Mets bullpen? Any chance his arm falls off too?
Quote from: Brownie on October 19, 2015, 01:11:29 PM
I don't think the Cubs are out of it by any stretch, but my hopes for a series comeback are not high. I have two tickets for tomorrow's Game 3, and my brother is flying in from Arizona to go with me. I am excited to go to the game, but I keep telling myself that I won't be despondent if they lose.
The Cubs won 8 in a row to end the season: 1 vs. PIT, 1 vs. KC, 3 @ Cincy and Milwaukee each. They then won 1 @ PIT for a 9 game winning streak. They then won three in a row after losing that opener to Lackey. That 12 of 13 run followed a 3-game losing streak (the only time in 13 tries the Brewers beat them after the All-Star Break and two vs. Pittsburgh). and that came after winning 7 of 8 (3 @ Pittsburgh, 2 vs. St. Louis and 2 vs. Milwaukee). What was before that? A three game losing streak, including two at Philly. Everytime they have a hiccup like this where we leave them for dead, they get on a prolonged streak. Is there time for them to right the ship? We'll find out.
The Mets got hot and really haven't had time to slow down until today. Remember, they had four cross country flights (to LA Oct. 7 or 8, to NY Oct. 11, to LA Oct. 14, to NY Oct. 16) with games in between. The Cubs' travel has been nice and light: a quick hop to Pittsburgh 10/5 after a 90 minute drive home, another quick hop to St. Louis Oct. 8, a quick hop to Chicago Oct. 10, followed by brunch and football and a light workout at Wrigley Sunday, with off days Wednesday and Thursday before a ride to New York.
What am I saying? I have no idea, except that maybe this off day benefits the Cubs and hurts the Mets. Maybe.
By the way, how long was Matz throwing in the Mets bullpen? Any chance his arm falls off too?
TL;DR.
Cubs had never lost an NLCS game 2 until yesterday. Cubs have never won the NLCS. So...
Quote from: PenFoe on October 19, 2015, 01:04:49 PM
I don't understand any of these stupid hockey analogies.
Can I interest you in the '88-'89 Chicago Bulls?
The 1905 Cubs finished 13 games out of first place = 2014 Cubs.
The 1906 Cubs lost in the World Series = (possibly) 2015 Cubs.
The 1907 Cubs won the World Series.
Is that a good comparison?
I'm going back to sleep now.
Quote from: Oleg on October 19, 2015, 02:22:44 PM
The 1905 Cubs finished 13 games out of first place = 2014 Cubs.
The 1906 Cubs lost in the World Series = (possibly) 2015 Cubs.
The 1907 Cubs won the World Series.
Is that a good comparison?
I'm going back to sleep now.
You can't just leave us hanging like that: what happened in 1908?
Quote from: Tonker on October 19, 2015, 02:27:21 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 19, 2015, 02:22:44 PM
The 1905 Cubs finished 13 games out of first place = 2014 Cubs.
The 1906 Cubs lost in the World Series = (possibly) 2015 Cubs.
The 1907 Cubs won the World Series.
Is that a good comparison?
I'm going back to sleep now.
You can't just leave us hanging like that: what happened in 1908?
Ask the guy who wrote Back to the Future II.
Jason Hammel will start Game 4. Time for Hendricks and Hammel to fulfill their destinies as regular season chumps, postseason champs. IT'S GONNA HAI
Quote from: Tonker on October 19, 2015, 02:27:21 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 19, 2015, 02:22:44 PM
The 1905 Cubs finished 13 games out of first place = 2014 Cubs.
The 1906 Cubs lost in the World Series = (possibly) 2015 Cubs.
The 1907 Cubs won the World Series.
Is that a good comparison?
I'm going back to sleep now.
You can't just leave us hanging like that: what happened in 1908?
http://www.onthisday.com/events/date/1908
Quote from: InternetApex on October 19, 2015, 02:49:32 PM
Quote from: Tonker on October 19, 2015, 02:27:21 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 19, 2015, 02:22:44 PM
The 1905 Cubs finished 13 games out of first place = 2014 Cubs.
The 1906 Cubs lost in the World Series = (possibly) 2015 Cubs.
The 1907 Cubs won the World Series.
Is that a good comparison?
I'm going back to sleep now.
You can't just leave us hanging like that: what happened in 1908?
http://www.onthisday.com/events/date/1908
Fuck Tsar Nicholas II right in his fucking ear.
Quote from: Oleg on October 19, 2015, 02:53:08 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on October 19, 2015, 02:49:32 PM
Quote from: Tonker on October 19, 2015, 02:27:21 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 19, 2015, 02:22:44 PM
The 1905 Cubs finished 13 games out of first place = 2014 Cubs.
The 1906 Cubs lost in the World Series = (possibly) 2015 Cubs.
The 1907 Cubs won the World Series.
Is that a good comparison?
I'm going back to sleep now.
You can't just leave us hanging like that: what happened in 1908?
http://www.onthisday.com/events/date/1908
Fuck Tsar Nicholas II right in his fucking ear.
Lousy, treacherous damn Cossack.
Quote from: Oleg on October 19, 2015, 02:53:08 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on October 19, 2015, 02:49:32 PM
Quote from: Tonker on October 19, 2015, 02:27:21 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 19, 2015, 02:22:44 PM
The 1905 Cubs finished 13 games out of first place = 2014 Cubs.
The 1906 Cubs lost in the World Series = (possibly) 2015 Cubs.
The 1907 Cubs won the World Series.
Is that a good comparison?
I'm going back to sleep now.
You can't just leave us hanging like that: what happened in 1908?
http://www.onthisday.com/events/date/1908
Fuck Tsar Nicholas II right in his fucking ear.
Admit it. You just looked at the pictures.
Quote from: Canadouche on October 19, 2015, 02:58:02 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 19, 2015, 02:53:08 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on October 19, 2015, 02:49:32 PM
Quote from: Tonker on October 19, 2015, 02:27:21 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 19, 2015, 02:22:44 PM
The 1905 Cubs finished 13 games out of first place = 2014 Cubs.
The 1906 Cubs lost in the World Series = (possibly) 2015 Cubs.
The 1907 Cubs won the World Series.
Is that a good comparison?
I'm going back to sleep now.
You can't just leave us hanging like that: what happened in 1908?
http://www.onthisday.com/events/date/1908
Fuck Tsar Nicholas II right in his fucking ear.
Admit it. You just looked at the pictures.
I read about the rising German menace, too. Fucking Germans. It's a good thing I had baseball to distract me.
Interesting. Silver says the Cubs still have a 20% chance of going to the World Series, but...
The last team to go down 2-0 in a 7 game series and win was Boston (2004 ALCS). Teams before that were the Yankees (1996 World Series), the Mets (1986 World Series), the Royals (1985 World Series), the Royals (1985 ALCS), the Cardinals (1985 NLCS), the Dodgers (1981 World Series), the Yankees (1978 World Series), the Pirates (1971 World Series), the Dodgers (1965 World Series).
Since 1985, when all three postseason series featured a team coming back from being down 2-0, the comeback is on a once-every-10-year schedule. Maybe such comebacks are overdue?
Quote from: Brownie on October 19, 2015, 03:07:22 PM
Interesting. Silver says the Cubs still have a 20% chance of going to the World Series, but...
The last team to go down 2-0 in a 7 game series and win was Boston (2004 ALCS). Teams before that were the Yankees (1996 World Series), the Mets (1986 World Series), the Royals (1985 World Series), the Royals (1985 ALCS), the Cardinals (1985 NLCS), the Dodgers (1981 World Series), the Yankees (1978 World Series), the Pirates (1971 World Series), the Dodgers (1965 World Series).
Since 1985, when all three postseason series featured a team coming back from being down 2-0, the comeback is on a once-every-10-year schedule. Maybe such comebacks are overdue?
None of those things affect the Cubs and Mets. The Mets are going to blow this. The Cubs are going to take it from them. The end.
It's not implausible that our Quality Start Machine can hold up his end tonight. He's been, overall, mystifyingly effective throughout his short career, mystifying because most everyone agrees that he's never looked the part, even when he has, if that makes any sense.
Anyway, the Mets are certainly no offensive juggernaut, but they did scratch out 8 runs on an economy of hits. That shit has to, and should, stop. Kyle needs to keep these slapdicks off balance to assure it.
None of that matters if they don't hit, obviously.
Let's go.
The Cubs hit deGrom pretty well during the regular season, but you know, Yoenis Cespedes wasn't there to tell deGrom not to suck so that probably made a big difference, because the Cubs' 7 wins against the Mets don't count because Cespedes wasn't there. But deGrom is going to be better, he swears, because playoffs. (http://espn.go.com/blog/newyork/mets/post/_/id/112364/cubs-roughed-up-jacob-degrom-during-regular-season-but-this-is-the-playoffs)
I'm with Slak. Cubs will blow out the Mets today, win in the 9th or extras tomorrow. Lester will outduel Harvey at Wrigley and Arrieta will be the truth Saturday. End of story. Bring on the Blue Jays, comeback winners last night.
And I'll be in the fetal position the whole time. GO TEAM!
This is so "Fever Pitch!"
Wind was blowing from the north like a motherfucker this morning. That ought to keep the Mets contained.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 20, 2015, 09:14:53 AM
Wind was blowing from the north like a motherfucker this morning. That ought to keep the Mets contained.
Also the Cubs, who have basically relied on home runs for all of their scoring in the playoffs. Not the best sign, actually.
Quote from: SKO on October 20, 2015, 09:25:31 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 20, 2015, 09:14:53 AM
Wind was blowing from the north like a motherfucker this morning. That ought to keep the Mets contained.
Also the Cubs, who have basically relied on home runs for all of their scoring in the playoffs. Not the best sign, actually.
Forecast calls for winds out of the south.
Quote from: SKO on October 20, 2015, 09:25:31 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 20, 2015, 09:14:53 AM
Wind was blowing from the north like a motherfucker this morning. That ought to keep the Mets contained.
Also the Cubs, who have basically relied on home runs for all of their scoring in the playoffs. Not the best sign, actually.
If it meant the Mets potential homers are going to be caught in front of the warning track while Schwarber's land in the first row of the bleachers instead of on top of the scoreboard then I'd take it.
Quote from: SKO on October 20, 2015, 09:25:31 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 20, 2015, 09:14:53 AM
Wind was blowing from the north like a motherfucker this morning. That ought to keep the Mets contained.
Also the Cubs, who have basically relied on home runs for all of their scoring in the playoffs. Not the best sign, actually.
Pretty sure Schwarber can hit one out through a hurricane.
There are going to be a lot of runs scored tonight, and the Cubs will have more of them.
Quote from: PANK! on October 20, 2015, 08:44:23 AM
It's not implausible that our Quality Start Machine can hold up his end tonight. He's been, overall, mystifyingly effective throughout his short career, mystifying because most everyone agrees that he's never looked the part, even when he has, if that makes any sense.
Anyway, the Mets are certainly no offensive juggernaut, but they did scratch out 8 runs on an economy of hits. That shit has to, and should, stop. Kyle needs to keep these slapdicks off balance to assure it.
None of that matters if they don't hit, obviously.
Let's go.
It was pretty crazy. (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/jake-arrieta-is-probably-okay/) At least against Arrieta.
Quote from: Tony on October 20, 2015, 10:04:07 AM
There are going to be a lot of runs scored tonight, and the Cubs will have more of them.
I don't know why but this reminded me of the final line from the trailer for the Kevin Costner movie "Open Range" which is something like "Men are gonna die here...and I'm gonna kill 'em". I've never seen the movie but my brother and I say that line every time every time we see each other and it never fails to crack us up.
/Penstory
Quote from: PANK! on October 20, 2015, 08:44:23 AM
It's not implausible that our Quality Start Machine can hold up his end tonight. He's been, overall, mystifyingly effective throughout his short career, mystifying because most everyone agrees that he's never looked the part, even when he has, if that makes any sense.
Let's go.
Basically, this works (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/optimism-for-kyle-hendricks-against-the-mets/). Hendricks will go about 4-5 innings, depending on when his third time through the order comes. The Cubs just have to hang on and score some runs but they'll have time. Hopefully, they, themselves, see a lot of pitches from Degrom and get him out early or get tot heir third time through the order quickly.
It'll be a bullpen game for The Cubs, which gives me lots of hope. I'll hang my cat on it.
Quote from: Oleg on October 20, 2015, 10:27:05 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 20, 2015, 08:44:23 AM
It's not implausible that our Quality Start Machine can hold up his end tonight. He's been, overall, mystifyingly effective throughout his short career, mystifying because most everyone agrees that he's never looked the part, even when he has, if that makes any sense.
Let's go.
Basically, this works (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/optimism-for-kyle-hendricks-against-the-mets/). Hendricks will go about 4-5 innings, depending on when his third time through the order comes. The Cubs just have to hang on and score some runs but they'll have time. Hopefully, they, themselves, see a lot of pitches from Degrom and get him out early or get tot heir third time through the order quickly.
It'll be a bullpen game for The Cubs, which gives me lots of hope. I'll hang my cat on it.
Says the guy with a dog.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 20, 2015, 10:30:25 AM
Quote from: Oleg on October 20, 2015, 10:27:05 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 20, 2015, 08:44:23 AM
It's not implausible that our Quality Start Machine can hold up his end tonight. He's been, overall, mystifyingly effective throughout his short career, mystifying because most everyone agrees that he's never looked the part, even when he has, if that makes any sense.
Let's go.
Basically, this works (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/optimism-for-kyle-hendricks-against-the-mets/). Hendricks will go about 4-5 innings, depending on when his third time through the order comes. The Cubs just have to hang on and score some runs but they'll have time. Hopefully, they, themselves, see a lot of pitches from Degrom and get him out early or get tot heir third time through the order quickly.
It'll be a bullpen game for The Cubs, which gives me lots of hope. I'll hang my cat on it.
Says the guy with a dog.
Well, he had a cat, but he hung it.
Quote from: InternetApex on October 20, 2015, 10:38:20 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 20, 2015, 10:30:25 AM
Quote from: Oleg on October 20, 2015, 10:27:05 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 20, 2015, 08:44:23 AM
It's not implausible that our Quality Start Machine can hold up his end tonight. He's been, overall, mystifyingly effective throughout his short career, mystifying because most everyone agrees that he's never looked the part, even when he has, if that makes any sense.
Let's go.
Basically, this works (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/optimism-for-kyle-hendricks-against-the-mets/). Hendricks will go about 4-5 innings, depending on when his third time through the order comes. The Cubs just have to hang on and score some runs but they'll have time. Hopefully, they, themselves, see a lot of pitches from Degrom and get him out early or get tot heir third time through the order quickly.
It'll be a bullpen game for The Cubs, which gives me lots of hope. I'll hang my cat on it.
Says the guy with a dog.
Well, he had a cat, but he hung it.
Cats are the worst. Almost as bad as Mathenys.
Quote from: Oleg on October 20, 2015, 10:55:06 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on October 20, 2015, 10:38:20 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 20, 2015, 10:30:25 AM
Quote from: Oleg on October 20, 2015, 10:27:05 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 20, 2015, 08:44:23 AM
It's not implausible that our Quality Start Machine can hold up his end tonight. He's been, overall, mystifyingly effective throughout his short career, mystifying because most everyone agrees that he's never looked the part, even when he has, if that makes any sense.
Let's go.
Basically, this works (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/optimism-for-kyle-hendricks-against-the-mets/). Hendricks will go about 4-5 innings, depending on when his third time through the order comes. The Cubs just have to hang on and score some runs but they'll have time. Hopefully, they, themselves, see a lot of pitches from Degrom and get him out early or get tot heir third time through the order quickly.
It'll be a bullpen game for The Cubs, which gives me lots of hope. I'll hang my cat on it.
Says the guy with a dog.
Well, he had a cat, but he hung it.
Cats are the worst. Almost as bad as Mathenys.
*tips Huey's cat*
Quote from: Oleg on October 20, 2015, 10:27:05 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 20, 2015, 08:44:23 AM
It's not implausible that our Quality Start Machine can hold up his end tonight. He's been, overall, mystifyingly effective throughout his short career, mystifying because most everyone agrees that he's never looked the part, even when he has, if that makes any sense.
Let's go.
Basically, this works (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/optimism-for-kyle-hendricks-against-the-mets/). Hendricks will go about 4-5 innings, depending on when his third time through the order comes. The Cubs just have to hang on and score some runs but they'll have time. Hopefully, they, themselves, see a lot of pitches from Degrom and get him out early or get tot heir third time through the order quickly.
It'll be a bullpen game for The Cubs, which gives me lots of hope. I'll hang my cat on it.
Degrom is Huey's tater tot heir?
Quote from: Oleg on October 20, 2015, 10:55:06 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on October 20, 2015, 10:38:20 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 20, 2015, 10:30:25 AM
Quote from: Oleg on October 20, 2015, 10:27:05 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 20, 2015, 08:44:23 AM
It's not implausible that our Quality Start Machine can hold up his end tonight. He's been, overall, mystifyingly effective throughout his short career, mystifying because most everyone agrees that he's never looked the part, even when he has, if that makes any sense.
Let's go.
Basically, this works (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/optimism-for-kyle-hendricks-against-the-mets/). Hendricks will go about 4-5 innings, depending on when his third time through the order comes. The Cubs just have to hang on and score some runs but they'll have time. Hopefully, they, themselves, see a lot of pitches from Degrom and get him out early or get tot heir third time through the order quickly.
It'll be a bullpen game for The Cubs, which gives me lots of hope. I'll hang my cat on it.
Says the guy with a dog.
Well, he had a cat, but he hung it.
Cats are the worst. Almost as bad as Mathenys.
No one ever got cat scratch fever from a dog.
Quote from: CT III on October 20, 2015, 10:26:24 AM
Quote from: Tony on October 20, 2015, 10:04:07 AM
There are going to be a lot of runs scored tonight, and the Cubs will have more of them.
I don't know why but this reminded me of the final line from the trailer for the Kevin Costner movie "Open Range" which is something like "Men are gonna die here...and I'm gonna kill 'em". I've never seen the movie but my brother and I say that line every time every time we see each other and it never fails to crack us up.
/Penstory
I saw Open Range in the movie theater. I can't recall that line, but I'm not willing to confirm or deny its existence.
Fuck this inconsistent strike zone.
This motherfucker needs to catch one in the fucking ribs before this game is over.
1. That only happens to the Cubs.
2. Nice fucking defense... all season... Miggy. Just fucking awful.
3. This is what happens when you rely on fucking pumpkins like Cahill. Back to the fucking trash heap with him.
Wow. Cubs of old tonight. Great heads up play by Dexter, but this is just too much. I think I'm done if the Mets score again.
I guess it's ok to employ two catchers who can't hit for shit when they're such great defenders...
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 20, 2015, 08:59:35 PM
I guess it's ok to employ two catchers who can't hit for shit when they're such great defenders...
I'm not trying to defend Montero, but how many pitches did Cahill have to bounce home before they tried maybe throwing something different? Then again, if Montero was calling that pitch, I blame him entirely.
It's Cahill's job to throw his best pitch in that situation. It Montero's fucking job to catch those pitches.
Cahill did his job. Montero didn't.
I'm pissed. But mostly just because April is so far away.
I'd enjoy the opportunity to watch this home plate ump draw his last breath on this earth. I'd even light a cigarette and make sure that all he knew on his way out was the stench of second-hand smoke.
Speaking of quality starting pitching, Greinke might be on the market.
Quote from: Eli on October 20, 2015, 09:40:08 PM
I'm pissed. But mostly just because April is so far away.
Buck up, Eli. There's still baseball tomorrow. And even if it ends, we're 2 weeks closer to April than we have been the last few years.
Quote from: Canadouche on October 20, 2015, 09:57:13 PM
Speaking of quality starting pitching, Greinke might be on the market.
Oh good, another guy who can't beat the fucking Mets in the postseason.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 20, 2015, 09:04:34 PM
It's Cahill's job to throw his best a wild pitch in that situation. It Montero's fucking job to catch those pitches.
Cahill did his job. Montero didn't.
FTFY.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 20, 2015, 10:16:34 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 20, 2015, 09:57:13 PM
Speaking of quality starting pitching, Greinke might be on the market.
Oh good, another guy who can't beat the fucking Mets in the postseason.
He beat them one more time than any Cubs starter this post season. Struck them out 17 times in 13.2 innings, 3.29 ERA.
I guess you could say that I'm grateful that I can still watch a Cubs game.
When the Hawks were in 2011 down 3-0 to Vancouver my brother askede if I wanted to go to Game 4. I said, "Yeah, man. Let's go watch a hockey game". And sure enough the Hawks put forth a good effort and took a game. Most of us know what happened next, and while PenFoe hates the cross-sports parallels, looked at from a team sports competitive perspective (and using the same elimination format) it can be all we have to hang our cat on as helpless fans to cope--particularly since this franchise itself has afforded us so few precedents themselves.
But yeah, there's a ballgame tonight and I'm looking forward to it. I'd hate to see the Cubs get swept but even if they did, they have completely rinsed my mouth of the lingering bitter taste that was the result of the infuriating 2008 team which very nearly broke me. This team has restored me.
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 08:43:06 AM
I guess you could say that I'm grateful that I can still watch a Cubs game.
When the Hawks were in 2011 down 3-0 to Vancouver my brother askede if I wanted to go to Game 4. I said, "Yeah, man. Let's go watch a hockey game". And sure enough the Hawks put forth a good effort and took a game. Most of us know what happened next, and while PenFoe hates the cross-sports parallels, looked at from a team sports competitive perspective (and using the same elimination format) it can be all we have to hang our cat on as helpless fans to cope--particularly since this franchise itself has afforded us so few precedents themselves.
But yeah, there's a ballgame tonight and I'm looking forward to it. I'd hate to see the Cubs get swept but even if they did, they have completely rinsed my mouth of the lingering bitter taste that was the result of the infuriating 2008 team which very nearly broke me. This team has restored me.
I want to agree with you and would like to enjoy one more baseball game, but if I have to see 3 hours of shots of sad fans in the stands, and then cutaways to happy fans in some shitty Manhattan bar, I'm going to smash my TV.
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 08:43:06 AM
I guess you could say that I'm grateful that I can still watch a Cubs game.
When the Hawks were in 2011 down 3-0 to Vancouver my brother askede if I wanted to go to Game 4. I said, "Yeah, man. Let's go watch a hockey game". And sure enough the Hawks put forth a good effort and took a game. Most of us know what happened next, and while PenFoe hates the cross-sports parallels, looked at from a team sports competitive perspective (and using the same elimination format) it can be all we have to hang our cat on as helpless fans to cope--particularly since this franchise itself has afforded us so few precedents themselves.
But yeah, there's a ballgame tonight and I'm looking forward to it. I'd hate to see the Cubs get swept but even if they did, they have completely rinsed my mouth of the lingering bitter taste that was the result of the infuriating 2008 team which very nearly broke me. This team has restored me.
It's supposed to rain all night. Hope it does.
Quote from: Slaky on October 21, 2015, 08:47:57 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 08:43:06 AM
I guess you could say that I'm grateful that I can still watch a Cubs game.
When the Hawks were in 2011 down 3-0 to Vancouver my brother askede if I wanted to go to Game 4. I said, "Yeah, man. Let's go watch a hockey game". And sure enough the Hawks put forth a good effort and took a game. Most of us know what happened next, and while PenFoe hates the cross-sports parallels, looked at from a team sports competitive perspective (and using the same elimination format) it can be all we have to hang our cat on as helpless fans to cope--particularly since this franchise itself has afforded us so few precedents themselves.
But yeah, there's a ballgame tonight and I'm looking forward to it. I'd hate to see the Cubs get swept but even if they did, they have completely rinsed my mouth of the lingering bitter taste that was the result of the infuriating 2008 team which very nearly broke me. This team has restored me.
It's supposed to rain all night. Hope it does.
Pray for rain and then Lester can start. Still can't avoid the Hammel start though, unless it rains ALOT.
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 08:54:48 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 21, 2015, 08:47:57 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 08:43:06 AM
I guess you could say that I'm grateful that I can still watch a Cubs game.
When the Hawks were in 2011 down 3-0 to Vancouver my brother askede if I wanted to go to Game 4. I said, "Yeah, man. Let's go watch a hockey game". And sure enough the Hawks put forth a good effort and took a game. Most of us know what happened next, and while PenFoe hates the cross-sports parallels, looked at from a team sports competitive perspective (and using the same elimination format) it can be all we have to hang our cat on as helpless fans to cope--particularly since this franchise itself has afforded us so few precedents themselves.
But yeah, there's a ballgame tonight and I'm looking forward to it. I'd hate to see the Cubs get swept but even if they did, they have completely rinsed my mouth of the lingering bitter taste that was the result of the infuriating 2008 team which very nearly broke me. This team has restored me.
It's supposed to rain all night. Hope it does.
Pray for rain and then Lester can start. Still can't avoid the Hammel start though, unless it rains ALOT.
Cool, maybe he can give up four runs again.
Quote from: Slaky on October 21, 2015, 08:47:57 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 08:43:06 AM
I guess you could say that I'm grateful that I can still watch a Cubs game.
When the Hawks were in 2011 down 3-0 to Vancouver my brother askede if I wanted to go to Game 4. I said, "Yeah, man. Let's go watch a hockey game". And sure enough the Hawks put forth a good effort and took a game. Most of us know what happened next, and while PenFoe hates the cross-sports parallels, looked at from a team sports competitive perspective (and using the same elimination format) it can be all we have to hang our cat on as helpless fans to cope--particularly since this franchise itself has afforded us so few precedents themselves.
But yeah, there's a ballgame tonight and I'm looking forward to it. I'd hate to see the Cubs get swept but even if they did, they have completely rinsed my mouth of the lingering bitter taste that was the result of the infuriating 2008 team which very nearly broke me. This team has restored me.
It's supposed to rain all night. Hope it does.
Hmm, rainout tonight, so Lester in Game 4 tomorrow and Arrieta in Game 5 Friday? Then maybe another rainout Saturday and a Hammel/Hendricks/Wood bulppen day combo Sunday and Lester for the win Monday?
Granted, they'd have to be in Kansas City Tuesday, and you could be looking at Haren or Arrieta (on 3 days rest) starting Game One. But I'd take it.
How about a rainout tonight and a salmonella outbreak at the Westin?
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2015, 08:55:23 AM
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Quote from: Slaky on October 21, 2015, 08:47:57 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 08:43:06 AM
I guess you could say that I'm grateful that I can still watch a Cubs game.
When the Hawks were in 2011 down 3-0 to Vancouver my brother askede if I wanted to go to Game 4. I said, "Yeah, man. Let's go watch a hockey game". And sure enough the Hawks put forth a good effort and took a game. Most of us know what happened next, and while PenFoe hates the cross-sports parallels, looked at from a team sports competitive perspective (and using the same elimination format) it can be all we have to hang our cat on as helpless fans to cope--particularly since this franchise itself has afforded us so few precedents themselves.
But yeah, there's a ballgame tonight and I'm looking forward to it. I'd hate to see the Cubs get swept but even if they did, they have completely rinsed my mouth of the lingering bitter taste that was the result of the infuriating 2008 team which very nearly broke me. This team has restored me.
It's supposed to rain all night. Hope it does.
Pray for rain and then Lester can start. Still can't avoid the Hammel start though, unless it rains ALOT.
Cool, maybe he can give up four runs again.
You honestly think Hammel is a better option?
Quote from: Tony on October 21, 2015, 08:47:48 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 08:43:06 AM
I guess you could say that I'm grateful that I can still watch a Cubs game.
When the Hawks were in 2011 down 3-0 to Vancouver my brother askede if I wanted to go to Game 4. I said, "Yeah, man. Let's go watch a hockey game". And sure enough the Hawks put forth a good effort and took a game. Most of us know what happened next, and while PenFoe hates the cross-sports parallels, looked at from a team sports competitive perspective (and using the same elimination format) it can be all we have to hang our cat on as helpless fans to cope--particularly since this franchise itself has afforded us so few precedents themselves.
But yeah, there's a ballgame tonight and I'm looking forward to it. I'd hate to see the Cubs get swept but even if they did, they have completely rinsed my mouth of the lingering bitter taste that was the result of the infuriating 2008 team which very nearly broke me. This team has restored me.
I want to agree with you and would like to enjoy one more baseball game, but if I have to see 3 hours of shots of sad fans in the stands, and then cutaways to happy fans in some shitty Manhattan bar, I'm going to smash my TV.
Same here. Logically I understand variance and small sample size and all that fun stuff, but it is just fucking infuriating to watch a not-that-good team like the Mets basically do no wrong while the Cubs shit the bed. They haven't had the lead. ONCE. In the series. It sucks. I'm (BH/Slezak alert) going to be on a rooftop tonight through work and as much as I *want* to feel the way Huey does, I am kind of dreading what the atmosphere will be like if dickbeard and the shit-guzzling Mets get another goddamn early lead.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 21, 2015, 08:57:37 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2015, 08:55:23 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 08:54:48 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 21, 2015, 08:47:57 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 08:43:06 AM
I guess you could say that I'm grateful that I can still watch a Cubs game.
When the Hawks were in 2011 down 3-0 to Vancouver my brother askede if I wanted to go to Game 4. I said, "Yeah, man. Let's go watch a hockey game". And sure enough the Hawks put forth a good effort and took a game. Most of us know what happened next, and while PenFoe hates the cross-sports parallels, looked at from a team sports competitive perspective (and using the same elimination format) it can be all we have to hang our cat on as helpless fans to cope--particularly since this franchise itself has afforded us so few precedents themselves.
But yeah, there's a ballgame tonight and I'm looking forward to it. I'd hate to see the Cubs get swept but even if they did, they have completely rinsed my mouth of the lingering bitter taste that was the result of the infuriating 2008 team which very nearly broke me. This team has restored me.
It's supposed to rain all night. Hope it does.
Pray for rain and then Lester can start. Still can't avoid the Hammel start though, unless it rains ALOT.
Cool, maybe he can give up four runs again.
You honestly think Hammel is a better option?
No, just pointing out Lester sucked anyway.
Quote from: R-V on October 21, 2015, 08:57:57 AM
Quote from: Tony on October 21, 2015, 08:47:48 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 08:43:06 AM
I guess you could say that I'm grateful that I can still watch a Cubs game.
When the Hawks were in 2011 down 3-0 to Vancouver my brother askede if I wanted to go to Game 4. I said, "Yeah, man. Let's go watch a hockey game". And sure enough the Hawks put forth a good effort and took a game. Most of us know what happened next, and while PenFoe hates the cross-sports parallels, looked at from a team sports competitive perspective (and using the same elimination format) it can be all we have to hang our cat on as helpless fans to cope--particularly since this franchise itself has afforded us so few precedents themselves.
But yeah, there's a ballgame tonight and I'm looking forward to it. I'd hate to see the Cubs get swept but even if they did, they have completely rinsed my mouth of the lingering bitter taste that was the result of the infuriating 2008 team which very nearly broke me. This team has restored me.
I want to agree with you and would like to enjoy one more baseball game, but if I have to see 3 hours of shots of sad fans in the stands, and then cutaways to happy fans in some shitty Manhattan bar, I'm going to smash my TV.
Same here. Logically I understand variance and small sample size and all that fun stuff, but it is just fucking infuriating to watch a not-that-good team like the Mets basically do no wrong while the Cubs shit the bed. They haven't had the lead. ONCE. In the series. It sucks. I'm (BH/Slezak alert) going to be on a rooftop tonight through work and as much as I *want* to feel the way Huey does, I am kind of dreading what the atmosphere will be like if dickbeard and the shit-guzzling Mets get another goddamn early lead.
I'm in this group, whatever you want to call it. Too sad/angry to have any semblance of rational thought.
So, I know Lester was meh the other day, but why not Lester, Arrieta, HotGarbage, Lester the last 4 games (provided it goes there) as opposed to Hammell, Lester, Arrieta, Hendricks? I realize that's 2 times of 3 days rest, but wouldn't you prefer 3 games of your 1/2 than 2 games of your 1/2. Or they just lose tonight and then we can pine for the 3rd starter for a month
Quote from: Yeti on October 21, 2015, 09:11:53 AM
So, I know Lester was meh the other day, but why not Lester, Arrieta, HotGarbage, Lester the last 4 games (provided it goes there) as opposed to Hammell, Lester, Arrieta, Hendricks? I realize that's 2 times of 3 days rest, but wouldn't you prefer 3 games of your 1/2 than 2 games of your 1/2. Or they just lose tonight and then we can pine for the 3rd starter for a month
The way this series has gone if Jake pitches on three days rest he'll tear his everything. Just let Hammel do his work and end our misery.
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2015, 09:15:22 AM
Quote from: Yeti on October 21, 2015, 09:11:53 AM
So, I know Lester was meh the other day, but why not Lester, Arrieta, HotGarbage, Lester the last 4 games (provided it goes there) as opposed to Hammell, Lester, Arrieta, Hendricks? I realize that's 2 times of 3 days rest, but wouldn't you prefer 3 games of your 1/2 than 2 games of your 1/2. Or they just lose tonight and then we can pine for the 3rd starter for a month
The way this series has gone if Jake pitches on three days rest he'll tear his everything. Just let Hammel do his work and end our misery.
Would it be bad to kind of hope they lose tonight so I don't have to deal with this bullshit another day? I'm not saying I'm there, but a part of me might just want the inevitable to happen as soon as possible.
Quote from: Tony on October 21, 2015, 09:18:57 AM
Would it be bad to kind of hope they lose tonight so I don't have to deal with this bullshit another day?
Yeah, kinda.
Quote from: Eli on October 21, 2015, 09:19:51 AM
Quote from: Tony on October 21, 2015, 09:18:57 AM
Would it be bad to kind of hope they lose tonight so I don't have to deal with this bullshit another day?
Yeah, kinda.
Then I won't do that.
Quote from: Eli on October 21, 2015, 09:19:51 AM
Quote from: Tony on October 21, 2015, 09:18:57 AM
Would it be bad to kind of hope they lose tonight so I don't have to deal with this bullshit another day?
Yeah, kinda.
Yes. I want them to win badly. I need to experience another win.
Quote from: Slaky on October 21, 2015, 09:38:09 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 21, 2015, 09:19:51 AM
Quote from: Tony on October 21, 2015, 09:18:57 AM
Would it be bad to kind of hope they lose tonight so I don't have to deal with this bullshit another day?
Yeah, kinda.
Yes. I want them to win badly. I need to experience another win.
All day yesterday I was going on and on about wanting them to battle and not go out like a chump. Of course I want them to win.
Quote from: Tony on October 21, 2015, 09:46:00 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 21, 2015, 09:38:09 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 21, 2015, 09:19:51 AM
Quote from: Tony on October 21, 2015, 09:18:57 AM
Would it be bad to kind of hope they lose tonight so I don't have to deal with this bullshit another day?
Yeah, kinda.
Yes. I want them to win badly. I need to experience another win.
All day yesterday I was going on and on about wanting them to battle and not go out like a chump. Of course I want them to win.
There is the concern that they'll win, then win again, and again, and then lose Game 7 and I'm not sure how I'd feel about it. On the one hand, such a charge will endear this group to us more while treating us to MOAR BASEBALL, but I wonder if I would still prefer getting swept now rather than some sort of haunting nut-punch in Game 7.
My only hope is to at least find out.
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 09:50:54 AM
Quote from: Tony on October 21, 2015, 09:46:00 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 21, 2015, 09:38:09 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 21, 2015, 09:19:51 AM
Quote from: Tony on October 21, 2015, 09:18:57 AM
Would it be bad to kind of hope they lose tonight so I don't have to deal with this bullshit another day?
Yeah, kinda.
Yes. I want them to win badly. I need to experience another win.
All day yesterday I was going on and on about wanting them to battle and not go out like a chump. Of course I want them to win.
There is the concern that they'll win, then win again, and again, and then lose Game 7 and I'm not sure how I'd feel about it. On the one hand, such a charge will endear this group to us more while treating us to MOAR BASEBALL, but I wonder if I would still prefer getting swept now rather than some sort of haunting nut-punch in Game 7.
My only hope is to at least find out.
Losing a game 7 would be awful, but it would also mean they didn't play awful for an entire series. Baby steps I guess.
Fun Fact: The last time the Cubs lost 3 in a row, they followed it up with a nine-game winning streak (the first two at home vs. Playoff teams), followed by three more in a row after the streak snapped.
So, a 4-1 start to next season as defending champs?
Quote from: Tony on October 21, 2015, 08:47:48 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 08:43:06 AM
I guess you could say that I'm grateful that I can still watch a Cubs game.
When the Hawks were in 2011 down 3-0 to Vancouver my brother askede if I wanted to go to Game 4. I said, "Yeah, man. Let's go watch a hockey game". And sure enough the Hawks put forth a good effort and took a game. Most of us know what happened next, and while PenFoe hates the cross-sports parallels, looked at from a team sports competitive perspective (and using the same elimination format) it can be all we have to hang our cat on as helpless fans to cope--particularly since this franchise itself has afforded us so few precedents themselves.
But yeah, there's a ballgame tonight and I'm looking forward to it. I'd hate to see the Cubs get swept but even if they did, they have completely rinsed my mouth of the lingering bitter taste that was the result of the infuriating 2008 team which very nearly broke me. This team has restored me.
I want to agree with you and would like to enjoy one more baseball game, but if I have to see 3 hours of shots of sad fans in the stands, and then cutaways to happy fans in some shitty Manhattan bar, I'm going to smash my TV.
I'm going to watch until Hammel gives up the lead. Figure that gets me through at least 2/3 of an inning then I can go outside and look for puppies to kick.
Quote from: Brownie on October 21, 2015, 10:01:06 AM
Fun Fact: The last time the Cubs lost 3 in a row, they followed it up with a nine-game winning streak (the first two at home vs. Playoff teams), followed by three more in a row after the streak snapped.
So, a 4-1 start to next season as defending champs?
Another fun fact: the 2015 Cubs have NEVER lost when facing elimination.
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 10:05:10 AM
Quote from: Brownie on October 21, 2015, 10:01:06 AM
Fun Fact: The last time the Cubs lost 3 in a row, they followed it up with a nine-game winning streak (the first two at home vs. Playoff teams), followed by three more in a row after the streak snapped.
So, a 4-1 start to next season as defending champs?
Another fun fact: the 2015 Cubs have NEVER lost when facing elimination.
Another fun fact: The 2015 Cubs are undefeated in Game 4s.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 21, 2015, 10:10:09 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 10:05:10 AM
Quote from: Brownie on October 21, 2015, 10:01:06 AM
Fun Fact: The last time the Cubs lost 3 in a row, they followed it up with a nine-game winning streak (the first two at home vs. Playoff teams), followed by three more in a row after the streak snapped.
So, a 4-1 start to next season as defending champs?
Another fun fact: the 2015 Cubs have NEVER lost when facing elimination.
Another fun fact: The 2015 Cubs are undefeated in Game 4s.
Another fun fact: The 2015 Cubs are undefeated in post-season games Hammel starts.
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 08:43:06 AM
I guess you could say that I'm grateful that I can still watch a Cubs game.
When the Hawks were in 2011 down 3-0 to Vancouver my brother askede if I wanted to go to Game 4. I said, "Yeah, man. Let's go watch a hockey game". And sure enough the Hawks put forth a good effort and took a game. Most of us know what happened next, and while PenFoe hates the cross-sports parallels, looked at from a team sports competitive perspective (and using the same elimination format) it can be all we have to hang our cat on as helpless fans to cope--particularly since this franchise itself has afforded us so few precedents themselves.
But yeah, there's a ballgame tonight and I'm looking forward to it. I'd hate to see the Cubs get swept but even if they did, they have completely rinsed my mouth of the lingering bitter taste that was the result of the infuriating 2008 team which very nearly broke me. This team has restored me.
You know what? I'm on board with this.
The Mets have had some pretty lucky hits (Murphy's home runs seem a little fluky based on where the pitches were). The Mets have strung together hits in Cardinals-like fashion. The Cubs are not this bad.
One game at a time and I'm thankful for those games.
Quote from: Slaky on October 21, 2015, 09:38:09 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 21, 2015, 09:19:51 AM
Quote from: Tony on October 21, 2015, 09:18:57 AM
Would it be bad to kind of hope they lose tonight so I don't have to deal with this bullshit another day?
Yeah, kinda.
Yes. I want them to win badly. I need to experience another win.
I would like to see them get a lead, and another win gives them more wins overall than the Cardinals. Also want them to hear Wrigley rock at least one more time this season, they played so well they deserve that.
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Would it be bad to kind of hope they lose tonight so I don't have to deal with this bullshit another day?
Yeah, kinda.
Yes. I want them to win badly. I need to experience another win.
I would like to see them get a lead, and another win gives them more wins overall than the Cardinals. Also want them to hear Wrigley rock at least one more time this season, they played so well they deserve that.
I'd like to see 7 full innings from a starting pitcher.
And dingers. Lots and lots of dingers. With men on base and everything.
Quote from: CT III on October 21, 2015, 10:44:14 AM
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Quote from: Tony on October 21, 2015, 09:18:57 AM
Would it be bad to kind of hope they lose tonight so I don't have to deal with this bullshit another day?
Yeah, kinda.
Yes. I want them to win badly. I need to experience another win.
I would like to see them get a lead, and another win gives them more wins overall than the Cardinals. Also want them to hear Wrigley rock at least one more time this season, they played so well they deserve that.
I'd like to see 7 full innings from a starting pitcher.
And dingers. Lots and lots of dingers. With men on base and everything.
Unless it's Arrieta or Lester, I think Maddon takes the whole 3rd-time-through-the-order thing pretty seriously.
But,. yeah...dingers would be nice.
Quote from: Oleg on October 21, 2015, 10:47:48 AM
Quote from: CT III on October 21, 2015, 10:44:14 AM
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Quote from: Tony on October 21, 2015, 09:18:57 AM
Would it be bad to kind of hope they lose tonight so I don't have to deal with this bullshit another day?
Yeah, kinda.
Yes. I want them to win badly. I need to experience another win.
I would like to see them get a lead, and another win gives them more wins overall than the Cardinals. Also want them to hear Wrigley rock at least one more time this season, they played so well they deserve that.
I'd like to see 7 full innings from a starting pitcher.
And dingers. Lots and lots of dingers. With men on base and everything.
Unless it's Arrieta or Lester, I think Maddon takes the whole 3rd-time-through-the-order thing pretty seriously.
But,. yeah...dingers would be nice.
I feel like if they can just score first for once things would turn out better. This probably doesn't mean anything as far as win percentage stats or whatever, but I know I would be able to relax at least.
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I guess you could say that I'm grateful that I can still watch a Cubs game.
When the Hawks were in 2011 down 3-0 to Vancouver my brother askede if I wanted to go to Game 4. I said, "Yeah, man. Let's go watch a hockey game". And sure enough the Hawks put forth a good effort and took a game. Most of us know what happened next, and while PenFoe hates the cross-sports parallels, looked at from a team sports competitive perspective (and using the same elimination format) it can be all we have to hang our cat on as helpless fans to cope--particularly since this franchise itself has afforded us so few precedents themselves.
But yeah, there's a ballgame tonight and I'm looking forward to it. I'd hate to see the Cubs get swept but even if they did, they have completely rinsed my mouth of the lingering bitter taste that was the result of the infuriating 2008 team which very nearly broke me. This team has restored me.
I want to agree with you and would like to enjoy one more baseball game, but if I have to see 3 hours of shots of sad fans in the stands, and then cutaways to happy fans in some shitty Manhattan bar, I'm going to smash my TV.
Same here. Logically I understand variance and small sample size and all that fun stuff, but it is just fucking infuriating to watch a not-that-good team like the Mets basically do no wrong while the Cubs shit the bed. They haven't had the lead. ONCE. In the series. It sucks. I'm (BH/Slezak alert) going to be on a rooftop tonight through work and as much as I *want* to feel the way Huey does, I am kind of dreading what the atmosphere will be like if dickbeard and the shit-guzzling Mets get another goddamn early lead.
I'm in this group, whatever you want to call it. Too sad/angry to have any semblance of rational thought.
Thanks for joining us.
This is dumb but I feel like if they can just find some way to win tonight with Hammel, they still have a decent shot at winning the series with Lester and Arrieta going next. Both of those guys are entirely capable of shutting a team down (obviously).
I mean, it's not like Steven Matz is unbeatable.
Quote from: Eli on October 21, 2015, 11:01:26 AM
This is dumb but I feel like if they can just find some way to win tonight with Hammel, they still have a decent shot at winning the series with Lester and Arrieta going next. Both of those guys are entirely capable of shutting a team down (obviously).
I mean, it's not like Steven Matz is unbeatable.
This. If the Mets can beat the Cubs three times in a row, the Cubs can certainly beat the Mets four times in a row.
Quote from: Eli on October 21, 2015, 11:01:26 AM
This is dumb but I feel like if they can just find some way to win tonight with Hammel, they still have a decent shot at winning the series with Lester and Arrieta going next. Both of those guys are entirely capable of shutting a team down (obviously).
I mean, it's not like Steven Matz is unbeatable.
You sound like a not-douchey version of Kevin Millar. And you're getting my hopes up.
Honest question--
Should Schwarber start behind the plate tonight?
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 11:07:03 AM
Honest question--
Should Schwarber start behind the plate tonight?
No.
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 11:07:03 AM
Honest question--
Should Schwarber start behind the plate tonight?
I've been thinking the same thing. I really can't see them do something this radical when he he's played hardly any catcher at all for a couple months. But (a) Montero and Ross are absolutely terrible hitters right now (b) their defense hasn't exactly been stellar this series and (c) the TBS K-zone sucks ass so I can't see the value of any pitch framing on my TV right now, which means it doesn't exist. Might be worth it to get (barf) Coghlan's in the lineup over those slapdicks.
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 11:07:03 AM
Honest question--
Should Schwarber start behind the plate tonight?
If Joe continues to bat Bryant-Rizzo 3-4, then he's not going to pull Montero from catcher.
Quote from: R-V on October 21, 2015, 11:11:35 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 11:07:03 AM
Honest question--
Should Schwarber start behind the plate tonight?
I've been thinking the same thing. I really can't see them do something this radical when he he's played hardly any catcher at all for a couple months. But (a) Montero and Ross are absolutely terrible hitters right now (b) their defense hasn't exactly been stellar this series and (c) the TBS K-zone sucks ass so I can't see the value of any pitch framing on my TV right now, which means it doesn't exist. Might be worth it to get (barf) Coghlan's in the lineup over those slapdicks.
Matz is left handed so I don't see any point in trying to get Coghlan into the lineup. Maybe Jackson.
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2015, 11:14:59 AM
Quote from: R-V on October 21, 2015, 11:11:35 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 11:07:03 AM
Honest question--
Should Schwarber start behind the plate tonight?
I've been thinking the same thing. I really can't see them do something this radical when he he's played hardly any catcher at all for a couple months. But (a) Montero and Ross are absolutely terrible hitters right now (b) their defense hasn't exactly been stellar this series and (c) the TBS K-zone sucks ass so I can't see the value of any pitch framing on my TV right now, which means it doesn't exist. Might be worth it to get (barf) Coghlan's in the lineup over those slapdicks.
Matz is left handed so I don't see any point in trying to get Coghlan into the lineup. Maybe Jackson.
When is the last time Schwarber faced a lefty?
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2015, 11:14:59 AM
Quote from: R-V on October 21, 2015, 11:11:35 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 11:07:03 AM
Honest question--
Should Schwarber start behind the plate tonight?
I've been thinking the same thing. I really can't see them do something this radical when he he's played hardly any catcher at all for a couple months. But (a) Montero and Ross are absolutely terrible hitters right now (b) their defense hasn't exactly been stellar this series and (c) the TBS K-zone sucks ass so I can't see the value of any pitch framing on my TV right now, which means it doesn't exist. Might be worth it to get (barf) Coghlan's in the lineup over those slapdicks.
Matz is left handed so I don't see any point in trying to get Coghlan into the lineup. Maybe Jackson.
Beat me to it.
Definitely Jackson, the dude who helped manufacture their first run against St. Louis that jump-started their run and who hasn't been seen or heard from since.
Quote from: Tony on October 21, 2015, 11:18:08 AM
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Quote from: R-V on October 21, 2015, 11:11:35 AM
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Honest question--
Should Schwarber start behind the plate tonight?
I've been thinking the same thing. I really can't see them do something this radical when he he's played hardly any catcher at all for a couple months. But (a) Montero and Ross are absolutely terrible hitters right now (b) their defense hasn't exactly been stellar this series and (c) the TBS K-zone sucks ass so I can't see the value of any pitch framing on my TV right now, which means it doesn't exist. Might be worth it to get (barf) Coghlan's in the lineup over those slapdicks.
Matz is left handed so I don't see any point in trying to get Coghlan into the lineup. Maybe Jackson.
When is the last time Schwarber faced a lefty?
Not sure of the last time, but the ball that sits atop the Budweiser board in right field was hit off a lefty.
Quote from: Canadouche on October 21, 2015, 11:12:29 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 11:07:03 AM
Honest question--
Should Schwarber start behind the plate tonight?
If Joe continues to bat Bryant-Rizzo 3-4, then he's not going to pull Montero from catcher.
I don't understand this photoshop at all.
PECOTA has The Cubs as 53/47 favorites tonight.
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 11:18:46 AM
Quote from: Tony on October 21, 2015, 11:18:08 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2015, 11:14:59 AM
Quote from: R-V on October 21, 2015, 11:11:35 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 11:07:03 AM
Honest question--
Should Schwarber start behind the plate tonight?
I've been thinking the same thing. I really can't see them do something this radical when he he's played hardly any catcher at all for a couple months. But (a) Montero and Ross are absolutely terrible hitters right now (b) their defense hasn't exactly been stellar this series and (c) the TBS K-zone sucks ass so I can't see the value of any pitch framing on my TV right now, which means it doesn't exist. Might be worth it to get (barf) Coghlan's in the lineup over those slapdicks.
Matz is left handed so I don't see any point in trying to get Coghlan into the lineup. Maybe Jackson.
When is the last time Schwarber faced a lefty?
Not sure of the last time, but the ball that sits atop the Budweiser board in right field was hit off a lefty.
Joe sat him in game two against the Cardinals because of Garcia... that's what I was thinking. I guess his days of platooning are over since he's been 90% of the offense.
Quote from: Tony on October 21, 2015, 11:22:42 AM
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Quote from: Tony on October 21, 2015, 11:18:08 AM
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Quote from: R-V on October 21, 2015, 11:11:35 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 11:07:03 AM
Honest question--
Should Schwarber start behind the plate tonight?
I've been thinking the same thing. I really can't see them do something this radical when he he's played hardly any catcher at all for a couple months. But (a) Montero and Ross are absolutely terrible hitters right now (b) their defense hasn't exactly been stellar this series and (c) the TBS K-zone sucks ass so I can't see the value of any pitch framing on my TV right now, which means it doesn't exist. Might be worth it to get (barf) Coghlan's in the lineup over those slapdicks.
Matz is left handed so I don't see any point in trying to get Coghlan into the lineup. Maybe Jackson.
When is the last time Schwarber faced a lefty?
Not sure of the last time, but the ball that sits atop the Budweiser board in right field was hit off a lefty.
Joe sat him in game two against the Cardinals because of Garcia... that's what I was thinking. I guess his days of platooning are over since he's been 90% of the offense.
I'd like him to start, but I won't be all that surprised if Maddon sits him.
Quote from: Eli on October 21, 2015, 11:24:03 AM
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Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2015, 11:14:59 AM
Quote from: R-V on October 21, 2015, 11:11:35 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 11:07:03 AM
Honest question--
Should Schwarber start behind the plate tonight?
I've been thinking the same thing. I really can't see them do something this radical when he he's played hardly any catcher at all for a couple months. But (a) Montero and Ross are absolutely terrible hitters right now (b) their defense hasn't exactly been stellar this series and (c) the TBS K-zone sucks ass so I can't see the value of any pitch framing on my TV right now, which means it doesn't exist. Might be worth it to get (barf) Coghlan's in the lineup over those slapdicks.
Matz is left handed so I don't see any point in trying to get Coghlan into the lineup. Maybe Jackson.
When is the last time Schwarber faced a lefty?
Not sure of the last time, but the ball that sits atop the Budweiser board in right field was hit off a lefty.
Joe sat him in game two against the Cardinals because of Garcia... that's what I was thinking. I guess his days of platooning are over since he's been 90% of the offense.
I'd like him to start, but I won't be all that surprised if Maddon sits him.
If he sits it means he's going about his business the way he did all season, and not panicking. Which is good. But he's also not afraid to shake things up, which is also good, so he might start. Things are good either way! Yay.
Quote from: Oleg on October 21, 2015, 11:19:06 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 21, 2015, 11:12:29 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 11:07:03 AM
Honest question--
Should Schwarber start behind the plate tonight?
If Joe continues to bat Bryant-Rizzo 3-4, then he's not going to pull Montero from catcher.
I don't understand this photoshop at all.
There's been some argument that it might've been wiser to move Bryant to 5th and find a hotter bat for the 3-spot. While Maddon has been impressive in his willingness to pull starting pitchers as soon as they start to flail, he hasn't don't anything surprising with the lineup this series.
Quote from: Canadouche on October 21, 2015, 11:34:16 AM
Quote from: Oleg on October 21, 2015, 11:19:06 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 21, 2015, 11:12:29 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 11:07:03 AM
Honest question--
Should Schwarber start behind the plate tonight?
If Joe continues to bat Bryant-Rizzo 3-4, then he's not going to pull Montero from catcher.
I don't understand this photoshop at all.
There's been some argument that it might've been wiser to move Bryant to 5th and find a hotter bat for the 3-spot. While Maddon has been impressive in his willingness to pull starting pitchers as soon as they start to flail, he hasn't don't anything surprising with the lineup this series.
The Cubs would need a bat other than Schwarber with any degree of heat.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 21, 2015, 11:38:09 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 21, 2015, 11:34:16 AM
Quote from: Oleg on October 21, 2015, 11:19:06 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 21, 2015, 11:12:29 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 11:07:03 AM
Honest question--
Should Schwarber start behind the plate tonight?
If Joe continues to bat Bryant-Rizzo 3-4, then he's not going to pull Montero from catcher.
I don't understand this photoshop at all.
There's been some argument that it might've been wiser to move Bryant to 5th and find a hotter bat for the 3-spot. While Maddon has been impressive in his willingness to pull starting pitchers as soon as they start to flail, he hasn't don't anything surprising with the lineup this series.
The Cubs would need a bat other than Schwarber with any degree of heat.
Why not Soler?
(edited because I'm a nimrod who apparently dosen't know how to use the internet)
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 21, 2015, 11:38:09 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 21, 2015, 11:34:16 AM
Quote from: Oleg on October 21, 2015, 11:19:06 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 21, 2015, 11:12:29 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 11:07:03 AM
Honest question--
Should Schwarber start behind the plate tonight?
If Joe continues to bat Bryant-Rizzo 3-4, then he's not going to pull Montero from catcher.
I don't understand this photoshop at all.
There's been some argument that it might've been wiser to move Bryant to 5th and find a hotter bat for the 3-spot. While Maddon has been impressive in his willingness to pull starting pitchers as soon as they start to flail, he hasn't don't anything surprising with the lineup this series.
The Cubs would need a bat other than Schwarber with any degree of heat.
Jorge.
I watched as Baez, Bryant, Soler and then Schwarber Codys'd a fucking playoff game into the toilet and clogged it with a shit-caked PANK helmet. I laid down on the floor in my apartment trying to cry but nothing came out.
Then I got on Twitter and saw all my friends dumping gallons of white-hot hate on anybody who suggested that this team full of rookies should get a back pat and an attaboy as we look forward to a bright and glorious future.
And I woke up in a world in which this team that brought me so much joy is on the brink of elimination.
And after all of that, I still say they're going to be damn good for a long time. Fuck the Nationals. Theo isn't hiring Matt Williams to piss out the fire these kids have burning for all to witness. Fuck any of you who want to rain on that parade yourselves once this probable loss settles in and the pain subsides.
Go Cubs Go.
Quote from: Canadouche on October 21, 2015, 11:34:16 AM
Quote from: Oleg on October 21, 2015, 11:19:06 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 21, 2015, 11:12:29 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 11:07:03 AM
Honest question--
Should Schwarber start behind the plate tonight?
If Joe continues to bat Bryant-Rizzo 3-4, then he's not going to pull Montero from catcher.
I don't understand this photoshop at all.
There's been some argument that it might've been wiser to move Bryant to 5th and find a hotter bat for the 3-spot. While Maddon has been impressive in his willingness to pull starting pitchers as soon as they start to flail, he hasn't don't anything surprising with the lineup this series.
I'm guessing that Maddon thinks that lineup construction (or, the difference between hitting Bryant 5th vs 3rd) is not nearly as important on winning baseball games as pulling a starter who turns into a pumpkin after a batting order has seen him twice in a game. I think he's rather correct in this thinking.
Quote from: InternetApex on October 21, 2015, 12:50:15 PM
I watched as Baez, Bryant, Soler and then Schwarber Codys'd a fucking playoff game into the toilet and clogged it with a shit-caked PANK helmet. I laid down on the floor in my apartment trying to cry but nothing came out.
Then I got on Twitter and saw all my friends dumping gallons of white-hot hate on anybody who suggested that this team full of rookies should get a back pat and an attaboy as we look forward to a bright and glorious future.
And I woke up in a world in which this team that brought me so much joy is on the brink of elimination.
And after all of that, I still say they're going to be damn good for a long time. Fuck the Nationals. Theo isn't hiring Matt Williams to piss out the fire these kids have burning for all to witness. Fuck any of you who want to rain on that parade yourselves once this probable loss settles in and the pain subsides.
Go Cubs Go.
I have no problem with anyone who thinks the Cubs have a bright future. I agree they do. I have a problem with anyone spouting the "year ahead of schedule!" garbage. They're not, and fuck, what about the Mets? It's not like the Dodgers or Cardinals or Giants doing this. It's the fucking Mets. They were good enough to make it to the NLCS and better by every metric than the team they drew in said series, and they're getting the shit kicked out of them. It sucks, and it was a golden opportunity, and they've probably let it slip away.
Again, I think it goes back to the worst part of Cubs twitter being the large number of Cubs bloggers who feel like they have to tell you how to fan. If losing a fucking national league championship series doesn't bother you, fine, don't tell me it shouldn't bother me.
Quote from: Oleg on October 21, 2015, 01:00:06 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 21, 2015, 11:34:16 AM
Quote from: Oleg on October 21, 2015, 11:19:06 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 21, 2015, 11:12:29 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 11:07:03 AM
Honest question--
Should Schwarber start behind the plate tonight?
If Joe continues to bat Bryant-Rizzo 3-4, then he's not going to pull Montero from catcher.
I don't understand this photoshop at all.
There's been some argument that it might've been wiser to move Bryant to 5th and find a hotter bat for the 3-spot. While Maddon has been impressive in his willingness to pull starting pitchers as soon as they start to flail, he hasn't don't anything surprising with the lineup this series.
I'm guessing that Maddon thinks that lineup construction is not nearly as important on winning baseball games as pulling a starter who turns into a pumpkin after a batting order has seen him twice in a game. I think he's rather correct in this thinking.
I'm not criticizing him for keeping his lineup consistent during the playoffs (particularly since the middle of the order does a lot better at home than on the road); rather, I'm observing that, if he hasn't changed his lineup, then he's probably not going to start Schwarber at catcher. Please don't construe what I'm saying as some kind of criticism. I'm just making an observation.
And as far as changing the line-up goes - other than Schwarber - who's hit well enough to replace Rizzo & Bryant at 3-4?
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 21, 2015, 01:07:29 PM
And as far as changing the line-up goes - other than Schwarber - who's hit well enough to replace Rizzo & Bryant at 3-4?
Soler and only Soler. Maybe he can bat back-to-back.
Quote from: Canadouche on October 21, 2015, 01:10:36 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 21, 2015, 01:07:29 PM
And as far as changing the line-up goes - other than Schwarber - who's hit well enough to replace Rizzo & Bryant at 3-4?
Soler and only Soler. Maybe he can bat back-to-back.
He's Baseball Dylon. Bat him 5 times in a row.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 21, 2015, 01:11:42 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 21, 2015, 01:10:36 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 21, 2015, 01:07:29 PM
And as far as changing the line-up goes - other than Schwarber - who's hit well enough to replace Rizzo & Bryant at 3-4?
Soler and only Soler. Maybe he can bat back-to-back.
He's Baseball Dylon. Bat him 5 times in a row.
He spits fire, man.
I actually have a fringe criticism I could lob at Hoyer, but I'm pretty sure it would wash away all the goodwill of the people on this forum, and I'd rather not be unwelcome again.
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2015, 01:00:54 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on October 21, 2015, 12:50:15 PM
I watched as Baez, Bryant, Soler and then Schwarber Codys'd a fucking playoff game into the toilet and clogged it with a shit-caked PANK helmet. I laid down on the floor in my apartment trying to cry but nothing came out.
Then I got on Twitter and saw all my friends dumping gallons of white-hot hate on anybody who suggested that this team full of rookies should get a back pat and an attaboy as we look forward to a bright and glorious future.
And I woke up in a world in which this team that brought me so much joy is on the brink of elimination.
And after all of that, I still say they're going to be damn good for a long time. Fuck the Nationals. Theo isn't hiring Matt Williams to piss out the fire these kids have burning for all to witness. Fuck any of you who want to rain on that parade yourselves once this probable loss settles in and the pain subsides.
Go Cubs Go.
I have no problem with anyone who thinks the Cubs have a bright future. I agree they do. I have a problem with anyone spouting the "year ahead of schedule!" garbage. They're not, and fuck, what about the Mets? It's not like the Dodgers or Cardinals or Giants doing this. It's the fucking Mets. They were good enough to make it to the NLCS and better by every metric than the team they drew in said series, and they're getting the shit kicked out of them. It sucks, and it was a golden opportunity, and they've probably let it slip away.
Again, I think it goes back to the worst part of Cubs twitter being the large number of Cubs bloggers who feel like they have to tell you how to fan. If losing a fucking national league championship series doesn't bother you, fine, don't tell me it shouldn't bother me.
yeah agreeing with SKO isn't a great look but that's where I am.
Yes the Cubs have a sunny outlook. And I'm really glad that I can go into next season with a realistic hope at watching another good team.
But they're here now. And people (media, mostly) wants to talk about how they have to learn to lose and how they're too young to win quite yet. What's the Mets' schedule? When was their mettle forged by fire? They just FUCKING GOT HERE. And they're tearing the Cubs a new asshole.
Fuck that narrative and fuck next year. I'm happy to have a wonderful discussion about the 2016 Cubs once this is over.
Until it is I'm upset and disappointed the Cubs didn't take advantage of being here now. If you have a problem with it go ahead and study next year's schedule. Get excited about it.
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2015, 01:00:54 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on October 21, 2015, 12:50:15 PM
I watched as Baez, Bryant, Soler and then Schwarber Codys'd a fucking playoff game into the toilet and clogged it with a shit-caked PANK helmet. I laid down on the floor in my apartment trying to cry but nothing came out.
Then I got on Twitter and saw all my friends dumping gallons of white-hot hate on anybody who suggested that this team full of rookies should get a back pat and an attaboy as we look forward to a bright and glorious future.
And I woke up in a world in which this team that brought me so much joy is on the brink of elimination.
And after all of that, I still say they're going to be damn good for a long time. Fuck the Nationals. Theo isn't hiring Matt Williams to piss out the fire these kids have burning for all to witness. Fuck any of you who want to rain on that parade yourselves once this probable loss settles in and the pain subsides.
Go Cubs Go.
I have no problem with anyone who thinks the Cubs have a bright future. I agree they do. I have a problem with anyone spouting the "year ahead of schedule!" garbage. They're not, and fuck, what about the Mets? It's not like the Dodgers or Cardinals or Giants doing this. It's the fucking Mets. They were good enough to make it to the NLCS and better by every metric than the team they drew in said series, and they're getting the shit kicked out of them. It sucks, and it was a golden opportunity, and they've probably let it slip away.
Again, I think it goes back to the worst part of Cubs twitter being the large number of Cubs bloggers who feel like they have to tell you how to fan. If losing a fucking national league championship series doesn't bother you, fine, don't tell me it shouldn't bother me.
Right or wrong, many/most of us point to what the Cubs did in the 2nd half as being the "real" version of the team. MLB team WAR ranks in the 2nd half:
Position players: Mets 2nd, Cubs 3rd
Starting pitching : Cubs 1st, Mets 5th
Bullpen: Cubs 4th, Mets 13th
They were both damn good teams in the 2nd half, and the bullpen spread isn't nearly as important as how close the position players and starting pitchers were. Especially when the Cubs Cy Young and MVP candidate - who contributed significantly to the above rankings - have not really been themselves in either the NLDS or NLCS.
Quote from: Canadouche on October 21, 2015, 01:19:55 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 21, 2015, 01:11:42 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 21, 2015, 01:10:36 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 21, 2015, 01:07:29 PM
And as far as changing the line-up goes - other than Schwarber - who's hit well enough to replace Rizzo & Bryant at 3-4?
Soler and only Soler. Maybe he can bat back-to-back.
He's Baseball Dylon. Bat him 5 times in a row.
He spits fire, man.
I actually have a fringe criticism I could lob at Hoyer, but I'm pretty sure it would wash away all the goodwill of the people on this forum, and I'd rather not be unwelcome again.
Dude. If you've got something to say, just say it. Tip toeing around whatever it is you want to say is very likely far more annoying than the actual content.
Quote from: R-V on October 21, 2015, 01:38:59 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 21, 2015, 01:19:55 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 21, 2015, 01:11:42 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 21, 2015, 01:10:36 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 21, 2015, 01:07:29 PM
And as far as changing the line-up goes - other than Schwarber - who's hit well enough to replace Rizzo & Bryant at 3-4?
Soler and only Soler. Maybe he can bat back-to-back.
He's Baseball Dylon. Bat him 5 times in a row.
He spits fire, man.
I actually have a fringe criticism I could lob at Hoyer, but I'm pretty sure it would wash away all the goodwill of the people on this forum, and I'd rather not be unwelcome again.
Dude. If you've got something to say, just say it. Tip toeing around whatever it is you want to say is very likely far more annoying than the actual content.
No kidding. This place is far more interesting with some diversity of opinion.
Quote from: Eli on October 21, 2015, 01:41:14 PM
Quote from: R-V on October 21, 2015, 01:38:59 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 21, 2015, 01:19:55 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 21, 2015, 01:11:42 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 21, 2015, 01:10:36 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 21, 2015, 01:07:29 PM
And as far as changing the line-up goes - other than Schwarber - who's hit well enough to replace Rizzo & Bryant at 3-4?
Soler and only Soler. Maybe he can bat back-to-back.
He's Baseball Dylon. Bat him 5 times in a row.
He spits fire, man.
I actually have a fringe criticism I could lob at Hoyer, but I'm pretty sure it would wash away all the goodwill of the people on this forum, and I'd rather not be unwelcome again.
Dude. If you've got something to say, just say it. Tip toeing around whatever it is you want to say is very likely far more annoying than the actual content.
No kidding. This place is far more interesting with some diversity of opinion.
I would like to agree with these two posts.
Quote from: Oleg on October 21, 2015, 01:53:16 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 21, 2015, 01:41:14 PM
Quote from: R-V on October 21, 2015, 01:38:59 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 21, 2015, 01:19:55 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 21, 2015, 01:11:42 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 21, 2015, 01:10:36 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 21, 2015, 01:07:29 PM
And as far as changing the line-up goes - other than Schwarber - who's hit well enough to replace Rizzo & Bryant at 3-4?
Soler and only Soler. Maybe he can bat back-to-back.
He's Baseball Dylon. Bat him 5 times in a row.
He spits fire, man.
I actually have a fringe criticism I could lob at Hoyer, but I'm pretty sure it would wash away all the goodwill of the people on this forum, and I'd rather not be unwelcome again.
Dude. If you've got something to say, just say it. Tip toeing around whatever it is you want to say is very likely far more annoying than the actual content.
No kidding. This place is far more interesting with some diversity of opinion.
I would like to agree with these two posts.
Boring.
Quote from: Eli on October 21, 2015, 01:41:14 PM
Quote from: R-V on October 21, 2015, 01:38:59 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 21, 2015, 01:19:55 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 21, 2015, 01:11:42 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 21, 2015, 01:10:36 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 21, 2015, 01:07:29 PM
And as far as changing the line-up goes - other than Schwarber - who's hit well enough to replace Rizzo & Bryant at 3-4?
Soler and only Soler. Maybe he can bat back-to-back.
He's Baseball Dylon. Bat him 5 times in a row.
He spits fire, man.
I actually have a fringe criticism I could lob at Hoyer, but I'm pretty sure it would wash away all the goodwill of the people on this forum, and I'd rather not be unwelcome again.
Dude. If you've got something to say, just say it. Tip toeing around whatever it is you want to say is very likely far more annoying than the actual content.
No kidding. This place is far more interesting with some diversity of opinion.
Ok -- what if the Cubs had managed to trade for Cole Hamels? Assuming they'd have had to give up at least one useful player on the current roster, they arguably wouldn't have won more games (and might have even won less) during the regular season, but if he'd started Game 3, then the Cubs might not be in this horrible position.
For the record, I'm not saying I wish the Cubs had made that trade, because what they would've given up would probably be, long-term, not worth what they'd have gotten in return. But that was a thought I kept returning to as Lester and Arrieta got beat earlier this series.
Quote from: Canadouche on October 21, 2015, 01:56:27 PM
Ok -- what if the Cubs had managed to trade for Cole Hamels? Assuming they'd have had to give up at least one useful player on the current roster, they arguably wouldn't have won more games (and might have even won less) during the regular season, but if he'd started Game 3, then the Cubs might not be in this horrible position.
That's what you were afraid of? I've traded basically every player on this roster for Cole Hamels at some point in the last year on here. I don't know that I meant any of it, but I typed it out loud.
Quote from: Eli on October 21, 2015, 02:00:12 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 21, 2015, 01:56:27 PM
Ok -- what if the Cubs had managed to trade for Cole Hamels? Assuming they'd have had to give up at least one useful player on the current roster, they arguably wouldn't have won more games (and might have even won less) during the regular season, but if he'd started Game 3, then the Cubs might not be in this horrible position.
That's what you were afraid of? I've traded basically every player on this roster for Cole Hamels at some point in the last year on here. I don't know that I meant any of it, but I typed it out loud.
I'm guessing Hamels wasn't going to be had for Baez, so it was probably either Schwarber, Russell, or Bryant that the Phillies wanted and I remain OK with them saying no on all fronts.
Quote from: R-V on October 21, 2015, 01:37:13 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2015, 01:00:54 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on October 21, 2015, 12:50:15 PM
I watched as Baez, Bryant, Soler and then Schwarber Codys'd a fucking playoff game into the toilet and clogged it with a shit-caked PANK helmet. I laid down on the floor in my apartment trying to cry but nothing came out.
Then I got on Twitter and saw all my friends dumping gallons of white-hot hate on anybody who suggested that this team full of rookies should get a back pat and an attaboy as we look forward to a bright and glorious future.
And I woke up in a world in which this team that brought me so much joy is on the brink of elimination.
And after all of that, I still say they're going to be damn good for a long time. Fuck the Nationals. Theo isn't hiring Matt Williams to piss out the fire these kids have burning for all to witness. Fuck any of you who want to rain on that parade yourselves once this probable loss settles in and the pain subsides.
Go Cubs Go.
I have no problem with anyone who thinks the Cubs have a bright future. I agree they do. I have a problem with anyone spouting the "year ahead of schedule!" garbage. They're not, and fuck, what about the Mets? It's not like the Dodgers or Cardinals or Giants doing this. It's the fucking Mets. They were good enough to make it to the NLCS and better by every metric than the team they drew in said series, and they're getting the shit kicked out of them. It sucks, and it was a golden opportunity, and they've probably let it slip away.
Again, I think it goes back to the worst part of Cubs twitter being the large number of Cubs bloggers who feel like they have to tell you how to fan. If losing a fucking national league championship series doesn't bother you, fine, don't tell me it shouldn't bother me.
Right or wrong, many/most of us point to what the Cubs did in the 2nd half as being the "real" version of the team. MLB team WAR ranks in the 2nd half:
Position players: Mets 2nd, Cubs 3rd
Starting pitching : Cubs 1st, Mets 5th
Bullpen: Cubs 4th, Mets 13th
They were both damn good teams in the 2nd half, and the bullpen spread isn't nearly as important as how close the position players and starting pitchers were. Especially when the Cubs Cy Young and MVP candidate - who contributed significantly to the above rankings - have not really been themselves in either the NLDS or NLCS.
One of the keys to the Mets' success has been that the starting pitching has been able to get deep enough into games to take their bullpen out of the equation, with the exception of two guys. I really thought when the Cubs made deGrom actually work in the first inning, we'd start seeing Collins with no choice but to start trotting those guys out.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 21, 2015, 02:12:01 PM
Quote from: R-V on October 21, 2015, 01:37:13 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2015, 01:00:54 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on October 21, 2015, 12:50:15 PM
I watched as Baez, Bryant, Soler and then Schwarber Codys'd a fucking playoff game into the toilet and clogged it with a shit-caked PANK helmet. I laid down on the floor in my apartment trying to cry but nothing came out.
Then I got on Twitter and saw all my friends dumping gallons of white-hot hate on anybody who suggested that this team full of rookies should get a back pat and an attaboy as we look forward to a bright and glorious future.
And I woke up in a world in which this team that brought me so much joy is on the brink of elimination.
And after all of that, I still say they're going to be damn good for a long time. Fuck the Nationals. Theo isn't hiring Matt Williams to piss out the fire these kids have burning for all to witness. Fuck any of you who want to rain on that parade yourselves once this probable loss settles in and the pain subsides.
Go Cubs Go.
I have no problem with anyone who thinks the Cubs have a bright future. I agree they do. I have a problem with anyone spouting the "year ahead of schedule!" garbage. They're not, and fuck, what about the Mets? It's not like the Dodgers or Cardinals or Giants doing this. It's the fucking Mets. They were good enough to make it to the NLCS and better by every metric than the team they drew in said series, and they're getting the shit kicked out of them. It sucks, and it was a golden opportunity, and they've probably let it slip away.
Again, I think it goes back to the worst part of Cubs twitter being the large number of Cubs bloggers who feel like they have to tell you how to fan. If losing a fucking national league championship series doesn't bother you, fine, don't tell me it shouldn't bother me.
Right or wrong, many/most of us point to what the Cubs did in the 2nd half as being the "real" version of the team. MLB team WAR ranks in the 2nd half:
Position players: Mets 2nd, Cubs 3rd
Starting pitching : Cubs 1st, Mets 5th
Bullpen: Cubs 4th, Mets 13th
They were both damn good teams in the 2nd half, and the bullpen spread isn't nearly as important as how close the position players and starting pitchers were. Especially when the Cubs Cy Young and MVP candidate - who contributed significantly to the above rankings - have not really been themselves in either the NLDS or NLCS.
One of the keys to the Mets' success has been that the starting pitching has been able to get deep enough into games to take their bullpen out of the equation, with the exception of two guys. I really thought when the Cubs made deGrom actually work in the first inning, we'd start seeing Collins with no choice but to start trotting those guys out.
The other key is that Mr. Dickbeard is putting up a goddamn 1.628 OPS in this series. I mean, the metrics SKO sited are nice but they don't account for the white hot luck that results in a career slapdick hitting 1/10th his career output in home runs over the course of 2 weeks.
So yeah, fuck everything basically. We're good here.
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2015, 02:21:05 PM
So yeah, fuck everything basically. We're good here.
So maybe now that everything is entirely and completely fucked...they turn it around.
Quote from: Oleg on October 21, 2015, 01:00:06 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 21, 2015, 11:34:16 AM
Quote from: Oleg on October 21, 2015, 11:19:06 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 21, 2015, 11:12:29 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2015, 11:07:03 AM
Honest question--
Should Schwarber start behind the plate tonight?
If Joe continues to bat Bryant-Rizzo 3-4, then he's not going to pull Montero from catcher.
I don't understand this photoshop at all.
There's been some argument that it might've been wiser to move Bryant to 5th and find a hotter bat for the 3-spot. While Maddon has been impressive in his willingness to pull starting pitchers as soon as they start to flail, he hasn't don't anything surprising with the lineup this series.
I'm guessing that Maddon thinks that lineup construction (or, the difference between hitting Bryant 5th vs 3rd) is not nearly as important on winning baseball games as pulling a starter who turns into a pumpkin after a batting order has seen him twice in a game. I think he's rather correct in this thinking.
Fowler CF
Soler RF
Bryant 3B
Rizzo 1B
Castro 2B
Schwarber LF
Baez SS
Hammel P
Ross C
Look, anybody but the fucking Cardinals. The Cubs kicked their asses so that makes this better than any other Cubs season since 1945. It's the best I've ever had.
I'm going to miss it.
Quote from: InternetApex on October 21, 2015, 03:03:24 PM
Look, anybody but the fucking Cardinals. The Cubs kicked their asses so that makes this better than any other Cubs season since 1945. It's the best I've ever had.
I'm going to miss it.
I think most everyone is agreed on this, and it definitely isn't going to be looked on with the bitterness of '03 or '08 (unless 2016 ends up with an underachieving team of assholes like 2004 and they never get back here), but I think there's nothing wrong with letting people be mad right now and not trying to talk everyone down with "YEAR AHEAD OF SCHEDULE" stuff.
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2015, 03:05:17 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on October 21, 2015, 03:03:24 PM
Look, anybody but the fucking Cardinals. The Cubs kicked their asses so that makes this better than any other Cubs season since 1945. It's the best I've ever had.
I'm going to miss it.
I think most everyone is agreed on this, and it definitely isn't going to be looked on with the bitterness of '03 or '08 (unless 2016 ends up with an underachieving team of assholes like 2004 and they never get back here), but I think there's nothing wrong with letting people be mad right now and not trying to talk everyone down with "YEAR AHEAD OF SCHEDULE" stuff.
DON'T TELL ME HOW TO FEEL!!!!! - Al
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2015, 03:05:17 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on October 21, 2015, 03:03:24 PM
Look, anybody but the fucking Cardinals. The Cubs kicked their asses so that makes this better than any other Cubs season since 1945. It's the best I've ever had.
I'm going to miss it.
I think most everyone is agreed on this, and it definitely isn't going to be looked on with the bitterness of '03 or '08 (unless 2016 ends up with an underachieving team of assholes like 2004 and they never get back here), but I think there's nothing wrong with letting people be mad right now and not trying to talk everyone down with "YEAR AHEAD OF SCHEDULE" stuff.
People are free to cope however they see fit. However, I reserve the right to soundly mock anyone who breaks out the "TRADE BRYANT AND RIZZO DEY SUCK IN THE PLAYOFFS" shit that I've actually heard a few times in the Score today.
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2015, 03:05:17 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on October 21, 2015, 03:03:24 PM
Look, anybody but the fucking Cardinals. The Cubs kicked their asses so that makes this better than any other Cubs season since 1945. It's the best I've ever had.
I'm going to miss it.
I think most everyone is agreed on this, and it definitely isn't going to be looked on with the bitterness of '03 or '08 (unless 2016 ends up with an underachieving team of assholes like 2004 and they never get back here), but I think there's nothing wrong with letting people be mad right now and not trying to talk everyone down with "YEAR AHEAD OF SCHEDULE" stuff.
You long ago surpassed me in terms of hating the "year ahead" stuff, but at least there's only a few weeks of it left. You won't have to worry about it next year. Everyone will have actual expectations and treat them like a normal MLB team.
I'm pretty sure they will, at least.
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2015, 03:05:17 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on October 21, 2015, 03:03:24 PM
Look, anybody but the fucking Cardinals. The Cubs kicked their asses so that makes this better than any other Cubs season since 1945. It's the best I've ever had.
I'm going to miss it.
I think most everyone is agreed on this, and it definitely isn't going to be looked on with the bitterness of '03 or '08 (unless 2016 ends up with an underachieving team of assholes like 2004 and they never get back here), but I think there's nothing wrong with letting people be mad right now and not trying to talk everyone down with "YEAR AHEAD OF SCHEDULE" stuff.
Fuck that.
Current mood:
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Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2015, 03:05:17 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on October 21, 2015, 03:03:24 PM
Look, anybody but the fucking Cardinals. The Cubs kicked their asses so that makes this better than any other Cubs season since 1945. It's the best I've ever had.
I'm going to miss it.
I think most everyone is agreed on this, and it definitely isn't going to be looked on with the bitterness of '03 or '08 (unless 2016 ends up with an underachieving team of assholes like 2004 and they never get back here), but I think there's nothing wrong with letting people be mad right now and not trying to talk everyone down with "YEAR AHEAD OF SCHEDULE" stuff.
If the Cubs season ends at the hands of the Mets...
The 2009 Blackhawks, like it or not, is still applicable as fuck here.
And we won't look back on the 2015 Cubs sadly in years to come, but we'll remember it as the year that a bunch of young players all figured it all out with the guidance of the perfect guy that was brought in to get the most out of the team.
And in 6 years, we'll all have multiple World Series Champions hats and shirts, and there will be young guys putting their Hall of Fame credentials together, and their manager will get his plaque the second he hangs it up.
But if they want to alter the comparison by making some fucking history, that would be something. And I'd give shirtless hugs all around.
Even you, Oleg.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 21, 2015, 03:12:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2015, 03:05:17 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on October 21, 2015, 03:03:24 PM
Look, anybody but the fucking Cardinals. The Cubs kicked their asses so that makes this better than any other Cubs season since 1945. It's the best I've ever had.
I'm going to miss it.
I think most everyone is agreed on this, and it definitely isn't going to be looked on with the bitterness of '03 or '08 (unless 2016 ends up with an underachieving team of assholes like 2004 and they never get back here), but I think there's nothing wrong with letting people be mad right now and not trying to talk everyone down with "YEAR AHEAD OF SCHEDULE" stuff.
If the Cubs season ends at the hands of the Mets...
The 2009 Blackhawks, like it or not, is still applicable as fuck here.
And we won't look back on the 2015 Cubs sadly in years to come, but we'll remember it as the year that a bunch of young players all figured it all out with the guidance of the perfect guy that was brought in to get the most out of the team.
And in 6 years, we'll all have multiple World Series Champions hats and shirts, and there will be young guys putting their Hall of Fame credentials together, and their manager will get his plaque the second he hangs it up.
But if they want to alter the comparison by making some fucking history, that would be something. And I'd give shirtless hugs all around.
Even you, Oleg.
*sets up lawn chair*
*opens beer*
*waits for exasperated responses*
At this point I think approximately 82% of Desipio posts consist of Fork and SKO arguing the same point over and over again.
At least if the season ends tonight we can maybe shift gears to some different arguments.
Quote from: R-V on October 21, 2015, 03:16:18 PM
At this point I think approximately 82% of Desipio posts consist of Fork and SKO arguing the same point over and over again.
At least if the season ends tonight we can maybe shift gears to some different arguments.
I can talk about David Ross if that helps
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 21, 2015, 03:12:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2015, 03:05:17 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on October 21, 2015, 03:03:24 PM
Look, anybody but the fucking Cardinals. The Cubs kicked their asses so that makes this better than any other Cubs season since 1945. It's the best I've ever had.
I'm going to miss it.
I think most everyone is agreed on this, and it definitely isn't going to be looked on with the bitterness of '03 or '08 (unless 2016 ends up with an underachieving team of assholes like 2004 and they never get back here), but I think there's nothing wrong with letting people be mad right now and not trying to talk everyone down with "YEAR AHEAD OF SCHEDULE" stuff.
If the Cubs season ends at the hands of the Mets...
The 2009 Blackhawks, like it or not, is still applicable as fuck here.
And we won't look back on the 2015 Cubs sadly in years to come, but we'll remember it as the year that a bunch of young players all figured it all out with the guidance of the perfect guy that was brought in to get the most out of the team.
And in 6 years, we'll all have multiple World Series Champions hats and shirts, and there will be young guys putting their Hall of Fame credentials together, and their manager will get his plaque the second he hangs it up.
But if they want to alter the comparison by making some fucking history not raping anybody (allegedly), that would be something. And I'd give shirtless hugs all around.
Even you, Oleg.
Un-Kane'd.
Quote from: CT III on October 21, 2015, 03:15:35 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 21, 2015, 03:12:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2015, 03:05:17 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on October 21, 2015, 03:03:24 PM
Look, anybody but the fucking Cardinals. The Cubs kicked their asses so that makes this better than any other Cubs season since 1945. It's the best I've ever had.
I'm going to miss it.
I think most everyone is agreed on this, and it definitely isn't going to be looked on with the bitterness of '03 or '08 (unless 2016 ends up with an underachieving team of assholes like 2004 and they never get back here), but I think there's nothing wrong with letting people be mad right now and not trying to talk everyone down with "YEAR AHEAD OF SCHEDULE" stuff.
If the Cubs season ends at the hands of the Mets...
The 2009 Blackhawks, like it or not, is still applicable as fuck here.
And we won't look back on the 2015 Cubs sadly in years to come, but we'll remember it as the year that a bunch of young players all figured it all out with the guidance of the perfect guy that was brought in to get the most out of the team.
And in 6 years, we'll all have multiple World Series Champions hats and shirts, and there will be young guys putting their Hall of Fame credentials together, and their manager will get his plaque the second he hangs it up.
But if they want to alter the comparison by making some fucking history, that would be something. And I'd give shirtless hugs all around.
Even you, Oleg.
*sets up lawn chair*
*opens beer*
*waits for exasperated responses*
*takes deep breath*
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Nevermind.
Quote from: CT III on October 21, 2015, 03:10:33 PM
People are free to cope however they see fit. However, I reserve the right to soundly mock anyone who breaks out the "TRADE BRYANT AND RIZZO DEY SUCK IN THE PLAYOFFS" shit that I've actually heard a few times in the Score today.
No. You're making this up, right? Because anyone who thinks this can't possibly know how to dial a phone.
Quote from: Oleg on October 21, 2015, 03:36:08 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 21, 2015, 03:10:33 PM
People are free to cope however they see fit. However, I reserve the right to soundly mock anyone who breaks out the "TRADE BRYANT AND RIZZO DEY SUCK IN THE PLAYOFFS" shit that I've actually heard a few times in the Score today.
No. You're making this up, right? Because anyone who thinks this can't possibly know how to dial a phone.
(http://tosh.cc.com/blog/files/2013/07/OldManSelfie.jpg)
Quote from: R-V on October 21, 2015, 03:16:18 PM
At this point I think approximately 82% of Desipio posts consist of Fork and SKO arguing the same point over and over again.
At least if the season ends tonight we can maybe shift gears to some different arguments.
Big talk for a dead man.
Look all, we're going to watch this game tonight. I know some you don't want to, that this series has been a cold shower after the orgasmic high of beating the Cardinals, but you're still gonna do it.
And no matter what happens, we're going to bed unsatisfied tonight. A loss ends what has been a gloriously fun season, watching a team full of young guys discover (or rediscover) their talents until they finally pieced the whole thing together and ran roughshod on the NL for the last two months of the season.
A win and, well, we get to do it all over again on Thursday, the only difference being that the faint glimmer of hope we have now will be just a little bit brighter.
All other talk can wait. There will be time to reminisce on the past and speculate on the future when the offseason gets here. Tonight, the Cubs have one mission before them, and that's to win one game. They can do that. Even the 1980 Cubs won at least one game. Be this the last day of the 2015 season or the first day of the rest of it, I want to say I've very much enjoyed the revived baseball talk and return of names from the past on this here baseball board.
Now let's get these fuckers.
Once more unto the breach, my friends, once more.
Quote from: CT III on October 21, 2015, 04:21:45 PM
Look all, we're going to watch this game tonight. I know some you don't want to, that this series has been a cold shower after the orgasmic high of beating the Cardinals, but you're still gonna do it.
And no matter what happens, we're going to bed unsatisfied tonight. A loss ends what has been a gloriously fun season, watching a team full of young guys discover (or rediscover) their talents until they finally pieced the whole thing together and ran roughshod on the NL for the last two months of the season.
A win and, well, we get to do it all over again on Thursday, the only difference being that the faint glimmer of hope we have now will be just a little bit brighter.
All other talk can wait. There will be time to reminisce on the past and speculate on the future when the offseason gets here. Tonight, the Cubs have one mission before them, and that's to win one game. They can do that. Even the 1980 Cubs won at least one game. Be this the last day of the 2015 season or the first day of the rest of it, I want to say I've very much enjoyed the revived baseball talk and return of names from the past on this here baseball board.
Now let's get these fuckers.
Once more unto the breach, my friends, once more.
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 21, 2015, 04:30:41 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 21, 2015, 04:21:45 PM
Look all, we're going to watch this game tonight. I know some you don't want to, that this series has been a cold shower after the orgasmic high of beating the Cardinals, but you're still gonna do it.
And no matter what happens, we're going to bed unsatisfied tonight. A loss ends what has been a gloriously fun season, watching a team full of young guys discover (or rediscover) their talents until they finally pieced the whole thing together and ran roughshod on the NL for the last two months of the season.
A win and, well, we get to do it all over again on Thursday, the only difference being that the faint glimmer of hope we have now will be just a little bit brighter.
All other talk can wait. There will be time to reminisce on the past and speculate on the future when the offseason gets here. Tonight, the Cubs have one mission before them, and that's to win one game. They can do that. Even the 1980 Cubs won at least one game. Be this the last day of the 2015 season or the first day of the rest of it, I want to say I've very much enjoyed the revived baseball talk and return of names from the past on this here baseball board.
Now let's get these fuckers.
Once more unto the breach, my friends, once more.
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If you're going to pitch like a pussy, at least put one of their fucking guys on the DL Hammel.
I hope Hammel gives himself the Cardinals accident special in the off season.
Are you fucking kidding me, Jason Hammel? Holy shit he's awful.
Need to resurrect the Gutless Fucking Asshole thread for Hammel.
Totally Realistic 2016 Rotation, you are my only comfort.
1. Jake Arrieta
2. David Price
3. Zack Greinke
4. Jon Lester
5. Tyson Ross
Kyle Hendricks: long relief or Iowa (or instructs, or the Dominican League, or San Diego, or "brainy" pitching coach for Mesa)
Jason Hammel: MIA, never heard from again, presumed dead
Quote from: CT III on October 21, 2015, 04:21:45 PM
Look all, we're going to watch this game tonight. I know some you don't want to, that this series has been a cold shower after the orgasmic high of beating the Cardinals, but you're still gonna do it.
And no matter what happens, we're going to bed unsatisfied tonight. A loss ends what has been a gloriously fun season, watching a team full of young guys discover (or rediscover) their talents until they finally pieced the whole thing together and ran roughshod on the NL for the last two months of the season.
A win and, well, we get to do it all over again on Thursday, the only difference being that the faint glimmer of hope we have now will be just a little bit brighter.
All other talk can wait. There will be time to reminisce on the past and speculate on the future when the offseason gets here. Tonight, the Cubs have one mission before them, and that's to win one game. They can do that. Even the 1980 Cubs won at least one game. Be this the last day of the 2015 season or the first day of the rest of it, I want to say I've very much enjoyed the revived baseball talk and return of names from the past on this here baseball board.
Now let's get these fuckers.
Once more unto the breach, my friends, once more.
WELP
Quote from: CT III on October 21, 2015, 04:21:45 PM
Look all, we're going to watch this game tonight. I know some you don't want to, that this series has been a cold shower after the orgasmic high of beating the Cardinals, but you're still gonna do it.
And no matter what happens, we're going to bed unsatisfied tonight. A loss ends what has been a gloriously fun season, watching a team full of young guys discover (or rediscover) their talents until they finally pieced the whole thing together and ran roughshod on the NL for the last two months of the season.
A win and, well, we get to do it all over again on Thursday, the only difference being that the faint glimmer of hope we have now will be just a little bit brighter.
All other talk can wait. There will be time to reminisce on the past and speculate on the future when the offseason gets here. Tonight, the Cubs have one mission before them, and that's to win one game. They can do that. Even the 1980 Cubs won at least one game. Be this the last day of the 2015 season or the first day of the rest of it, I want to say I've very much enjoyed the revived baseball talk and return of names from the past on this here baseball board.
Now let's get these fuckers.
Once more unto the breach, my friends, once more.
I was basically resigned to the fact that they were going to get swept. And then I read this and got a little bit hyped.
I'm out. Going to watch the new episode of Fargo and forget about this dickpunch. See you guys next year.
I'm only watching because I'm hoping somebody will earhole Murphy. I want blood before this is over.
Quote from: CT III on October 21, 2015, 07:38:27 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 21, 2015, 04:21:45 PM
Look all, we're going to watch this game tonight. I know some you don't want to, that this series has been a cold shower after the orgasmic high of beating the Cardinals, but you're still gonna do it.
And no matter what happens, we're going to bed unsatisfied tonight. A loss ends what has been a gloriously fun season, watching a team full of young guys discover (or rediscover) their talents until they finally pieced the whole thing together and ran roughshod on the NL for the last two months of the season.
A win and, well, we get to do it all over again on Thursday, the only difference being that the faint glimmer of hope we have now will be just a little bit brighter.
All other talk can wait. There will be time to reminisce on the past and speculate on the future when the offseason gets here. Tonight, the Cubs have one mission before them, and that's to win one game. They can do that. Even the 1980 Cubs won at least one game. Be this the last day of the 2015 season or the first day of the rest of it, I want to say I've very much enjoyed the revived baseball talk and return of names from the past on this here baseball board.
Now let's get these fuckers.
Once more unto the breach, my friends, once more.
WELP
I still really liked your post.
Screw it.
Hey guys, Weird Science is on Sundance Channel right now. Followed by Uncle Buck at 9.
Quote from: CT III on October 21, 2015, 04:21:45 PM
Look all, we're going to watch this game tonight.
TINW. HTH. HAND.
Utley broke the wrong guy's leg.
I'm waiting for Manny to provide his synopsis.
Home plate umpire is a cocksucker.
And while we're at it, fuck David Wright and his "the city deserves this. The fans deserve this." bullshit.
Fuck New York and everybody who fucking lives there.
It takes a special type of skilled pitching staff to give up 8 runs, all with 2 outs, and 6 on the long ball.
Hopefully there will be significant improvements in that regard in the offseason.
I only watched to get directions on how to not watch anymore.
Quote from: Oleg on October 22, 2015, 08:56:43 AM
I only watched to get directions on how to not watch anymore.
The Official Motto of the 2010-2013 Cubs