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Re: 2009-10 Bears Season: Utler, 'Uther 'Uckers
« Reply #1230 on: January 04, 2010, 08:04:18 AM »
Quote from: Waco Kid on January 04, 2010, 07:57:06 AM
Quote from: R-V on January 04, 2010, 06:40:15 AM
So a 10, an 18, an 84, and an Ortman for Utler and Knox. Works for me.

Also, Josh McDaniels is a pudwhack. In a sea of sports suck the Broncos nosedive was fun to watch.

In the end, Ortman, the future hall of famer early in the year, was who we thought he was.

Let's give Ortman some credit. He had 3,802 yards passing, completed 62% of his passes, and had 21 tds to just 12 picks. Were those all hollow, system fueled stats? Of course they were, but dammit, he's secured his place among the Fiedlers, Brad Johnsons, and Brian Grieses of the world as a future "gritty veteran back up."

Also, the similarities between Matt Cassel's 2008 and Kyle Orton's 2009 in the same system are eerie-

Cassel- 327/516/63.4%/3,693 yds/21 tds/11 ints/7.2 ypa/230.8 ypg/89.4 rating
Orton-336/541/62.1%/3,802 yds/21 tds/12 ints/7.0 ypa/237.6 ypg/86.8 rating.
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Re: 2009-10 Bears Season: Utler, 'Uther 'Uckers
« Reply #1231 on: January 04, 2010, 08:46:55 AM »
Quote from: SKO on January 04, 2010, 08:04:18 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on January 04, 2010, 07:57:06 AM
Quote from: R-V on January 04, 2010, 06:40:15 AM
So a 10, an 18, an 84, and an Ortman for Utler and Knox. Works for me.

Also, Josh McDaniels is a pudwhack. In a sea of sports suck the Broncos nosedive was fun to watch.

In the end, Ortman, the future hall of famer early in the year, was who we thought he was.

Let's give Ortman some credit. He had 3,802 yards passing, completed 62% of his passes, and had 21 tds to just 12 picks. Were those all hollow, system fueled stats? Of course they were, but dammit, he's secured his place among the Fiedlers, Brad Johnsons, and Brian Grieses of the world as a future "gritty veteran back up."

Also, the similarities between Matt Cassel's 2008 and Kyle Orton's 2009 in the same system are eerie-

Cassel- 327/516/63.4%/3,693 yds/21 tds/11 ints/7.2 ypa/230.8 ypg/89.4 rating
Orton-336/541/62.1%/3,802 yds/21 tds/12 ints/7.0 ypa/237.6 ypg/86.8 rating.

I know who Ortman is. He's the dude who's playin' the dude disguised as another dude. That other dude is Brad Johnson.
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Re: 2009-10 Bears Season: Utler, 'Uther 'Uckers
« Reply #1232 on: January 04, 2010, 08:53:17 AM »
Quote from: SKO on January 04, 2010, 07:40:04 AM
For what it's worth-
Cutler's 2009-
-27 tds (3rd best in Bears history after Kramer (29 in 1995) and Luckman (28 in 1943))
-3,666 yards (2nd best in Bears history after Kramer (3,838 in 1995))
-229.1 ypg (2nd after Kramer (239.9 in 1995))
-60.5 % comp. (3rd after Harbaugh (61.5% in 1993) and Walsh (60.6 in 1994)), minimum 10 games.
-1st in completions (336) and attempts (555)
-26 interceptions (2nd after Luckman (31 in 1947, but , he made the Pro Bowl.)
-76.8 career rating as a Bear (4th behind Kramer (80.7), McMahon (80.4), and Walsh (77.9)), minimum 10 games.

So Ron Turner's offenses hold almost all those records? I see Luckman on there twice, and Jim Mcmahon once, but Kramer, Walsh and the 1993-model Harbaugh were all Ron Turner-coached.

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Re: 2009-10 Bears Season: Utler, 'Uther 'Uckers
« Reply #1233 on: January 04, 2010, 09:09:44 AM »
Quote from: Brownie on January 04, 2010, 08:53:17 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 04, 2010, 07:40:04 AM
For what it's worth-
Cutler's 2009-
-27 tds (3rd best in Bears history after Kramer (29 in 1995) and Luckman (28 in 1943))
-3,666 yards (2nd best in Bears history after Kramer (3,838 in 1995))
-229.1 ypg (2nd after Kramer (239.9 in 1995))
-60.5 % comp. (3rd after Harbaugh (61.5% in 1993) and Walsh (60.6 in 1994)), minimum 10 games.
-1st in completions (336) and attempts (555)
-26 interceptions (2nd after Luckman (31 in 1947, but , he made the Pro Bowl.)
-76.8 career rating as a Bear (4th behind Kramer (80.7), McMahon (80.4), and Walsh (77.9)), minimum 10 games.

So Ron Turner's offenses hold almost all those records? I see Luckman on there twice, and Jim Mcmahon once, but Kramer, Walsh and the 1993-model Harbaugh were all Ron Turner-coached.

That's less a testament to Ron Turner's offensive brilliance than it is a testament to actually utilizing the forward pass, which few of the non-Turner Bear offenses chose to do. I'm not a big believer in blaming all of the offense's woes on Ron Turner. I'm just not one to give him credit for all of the successes either. He is what he is: mediocre. And I'm not sure Ron Turner would want credit for the 1993 Harbaugh. The 61.5 completion % is nice, but the 7 touchdown passes in 15 starts are not.

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Re: 2009-10 Bears Season: Utler, 'Uther 'Uckers
« Reply #1234 on: January 04, 2010, 09:57:42 AM »
Quote from: Eli on January 03, 2010, 03:31:01 PM
So, Devin Aromashadu might be good.  Too bad it took so long for him to get on the field.

THI

I saw Jackie Churches on the field (special teams, natch)  and realized that I had forgotten about him.  Wasn't he a 2nd or 3rd round pick out of a Big 12 school?  And he couldn't get on the field this year for a 7-9 team?  And didn't they do the same thing with Earl Bennet last year?   And can I keep asking quasi-rhetorical questions?   Yes, Knox got on the field this year, but what type of team would draft those  other guys and basically redshirt them?  It's like this regime don't want us to know if the problem is with the scouting or with the player development.

Aroma Shadoo may be good or shitty--who knows?  But Knox excepted, how come nobody else plays right away?
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Re: 2009-10 Bears Season: Utler, 'Uther 'Uckers
« Reply #1235 on: January 04, 2010, 10:27:38 AM »
Quote from: SKO on January 04, 2010, 09:09:44 AM
Quote from: Brownie on January 04, 2010, 08:53:17 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 04, 2010, 07:40:04 AM
For what it's worth-
Cutler's 2009-
-27 tds (3rd best in Bears history after Kramer (29 in 1995) and Luckman (28 in 1943))
-3,666 yards (2nd best in Bears history after Kramer (3,838 in 1995))
-229.1 ypg (2nd after Kramer (239.9 in 1995))
-60.5 % comp. (3rd after Harbaugh (61.5% in 1993) and Walsh (60.6 in 1994)), minimum 10 games.
-1st in completions (336) and attempts (555)
-26 interceptions (2nd after Luckman (31 in 1947, but , he made the Pro Bowl.)
-76.8 career rating as a Bear (4th behind Kramer (80.7), McMahon (80.4), and Walsh (77.9)), minimum 10 games.

So Ron Turner's offenses hold almost all those records? I see Luckman on there twice, and Jim Mcmahon once, but Kramer, Walsh and the 1993-model Harbaugh were all Ron Turner-coached.

That's less a testament to Ron Turner's offensive brilliance than it is a testament to actually utilizing the forward pass, which few of the non-Turner Bear offenses chose to do. I'm not a big believer in blaming all of the offense's woes on Ron Turner. I'm just not one to give him credit for all of the successes either. He is what he is: mediocre. And I'm not sure Ron Turner would want credit for the 1993 Harbaugh. The 61.5 completion % is nice, but the 7 touchdown passes in 15 starts are not.



DPD.

Harbaugh sucked, but he had a straitjacket on him that year.  Pornstedt and Turner didn't trust him (In fairnes, like I said, he did suck).  I'm actually stunned to see Harbo (/Ditka) set a record for completion percentage that year because my memory of that season's offense is riddled with giant dinglberries of frustration. 
I think he's more of the appendix of Desipio.  Yeah, it's here and you're vaguely aware of it, but only if reminded.  The only time anyone notices it is when it ruptures (on Weebs in the video game thread).  Beyond that, though, it's basically useless and offers no redeeming value.
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Re: 2009-10 Bears Season: Utler, 'Uther 'Uckers
« Reply #1236 on: January 04, 2010, 11:05:47 AM »
Quote from: MAD on January 04, 2010, 09:57:42 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 03, 2010, 03:31:01 PM
So, Devin Aromashadu might be good.  Too bad it took so long for him to get on the field.

THI

I saw Jackie Churches on the field (special teams, natch)  and realized that I had forgotten about him.  Wasn't he a 2nd or 3rd round pick out of a Big 12 school?  And he couldn't get on the field this year for a 7-9 team?  And didn't they do the same thing with Earl Bennet last year?   And can I keep asking quasi-rhetorical questions?   Yes, Knox got on the field this year, but what type of team would draft those  other guys and basically redshirt them?  It's like this regime don't want us to know if the problem is with the scouting or with the player development.

Aroma Shadoo may be good or shitty--who knows?  But Knox excepted, how come nobody else plays right away?

What I get from their explanations about holding out the likes of Bennett and Aromashadu is that they don't understand the offense/gameplan well enough to be trusted in game situations. And Hester still doesn't know what he's doing. And Knox and Olsen are constantly drawing Cutler's ire for the route-running snafoos.

I don't know if this is all a huge indictment of everybody from the receivers' coach, Darrell (sp?) Drake all the way up to Jerry Angelo, but it sure as shit seems like it.
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Re: 2009-10 Bears Season: Utler, 'Uther 'Uckers
« Reply #1237 on: January 04, 2010, 11:08:33 AM »
This article is optimistic.

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Re: 2009-10 Bears Season: Utler, 'Uther 'Uckers
« Reply #1238 on: January 04, 2010, 11:13:16 AM »
Quote from: BH on January 04, 2010, 11:08:33 AM
This article is optimistic.

QuoteBy Dan Arkush

?
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Re: 2009-10 Bears Season: Utler, 'Uther 'Uckers
« Reply #1239 on: January 04, 2010, 11:21:15 AM »
Quote from: Internet Apex on January 04, 2010, 11:13:16 AM
Quote from: BH on January 04, 2010, 11:08:33 AM
This article is optimistic.

QuoteBy Dan Arkush

?

At first read, this seems like the most insightful article on the Bears I've read in my entire life. But what would you be willing to bet that Dan? Arkush just interviewed Hub and passed that bald-headed coot off as an "inside source?"

EDIT: A cursory glance at the Arkush Family Tree reveals that Dan is Hub's less-famous brother. Nice gig.
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Re: 2009-10 Bears Season: Utler, 'Uther 'Uckers
« Reply #1240 on: January 04, 2010, 12:16:30 PM »
Quote from: Internet Apex on January 04, 2010, 11:21:15 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on January 04, 2010, 11:13:16 AM
Quote from: BH on January 04, 2010, 11:08:33 AM
This article is optimistic.

QuoteBy Dan Arkush

?

At first read, this seems like the most insightful article on the Bears I've read in my entire life. But what would you be willing to bet that Dan? Arkush just interviewed Hub and passed that bald-headed coot off as an "inside source?"

EDIT: A cursory glance at the Arkush Family Tree reveals that Dan is Hub's less-famous brother. Nice gig.

IIRC, Hub's dad is the one who started this local media empire.
I think he's more of the appendix of Desipio.  Yeah, it's here and you're vaguely aware of it, but only if reminded.  The only time anyone notices it is when it ruptures (on Weebs in the video game thread).  Beyond that, though, it's basically useless and offers no redeeming value.
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Re: 2009-10 Bears Season: Utler, 'Uther 'Uckers
« Reply #1241 on: January 04, 2010, 12:44:18 PM »
Quote from: MAD on January 04, 2010, 12:16:30 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on January 04, 2010, 11:21:15 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on January 04, 2010, 11:13:16 AM
Quote from: BH on January 04, 2010, 11:08:33 AM
This article is optimistic.

QuoteBy Dan Arkush

?

At first read, this seems like the most insightful article on the Bears I've read in my entire life. But what would you be willing to bet that Dan? Arkush just interviewed Hub and passed that bald-headed coot off as an "inside source?"

EDIT: A cursory glance at the Arkush Family Tree reveals that Dan is Hub's less-famous brother. Nice gig.

IIRC, Hub's dad is the one who started this local media empire.

Art Arkush is the responsible party. Correct.
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Re: 2009-10 Bears Season: Utler, 'Uther 'Uckers
« Reply #1242 on: January 04, 2010, 01:04:31 PM »
Quote from: Internet Apex on January 04, 2010, 12:44:18 PM
Quote from: MAD on January 04, 2010, 12:16:30 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on January 04, 2010, 11:21:15 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on January 04, 2010, 11:13:16 AM
Quote from: BH on January 04, 2010, 11:08:33 AM
This article is optimistic.

QuoteBy Dan Arkush

?

At first read, this seems like the most insightful article on the Bears I've read in my entire life. But what would you be willing to bet that Dan? Arkush just interviewed Hub and passed that bald-headed coot off as an "inside source?"

EDIT: A cursory glance at the Arkush Family Tree reveals that Dan is Hub's less-famous brother. Nice gig.

IIRC, Hub's dad is the one who started this local media empire.

Art Arkush is the responsible party. Correct.

I smell bullshit on the "unnamed sources". Especially the ones trashing Urlacher. I'm not defending that moran but are we supposed to believe Urlacher turned the team against Cade McNown? The jackass that was there a year before Urlacher got there and spent a grand total of 9 games on the same field as Brian? That was Big Cat who lead the anti-Cade charge, the same way Thomas Jones and any moron who wondered why the fuck the Bears drafted Cedric Benson "turned" the locker room against Ced, not Urlacher. A lot of the criticisms are valid, but its just another bitter Arkush hack job.
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Re: 2009-10 Bears Season: Utler, 'Uther 'Uckers
« Reply #1243 on: January 04, 2010, 01:10:35 PM »
Quote from: MAD on January 04, 2010, 10:27:38 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 04, 2010, 09:09:44 AM
Quote from: Brownie on January 04, 2010, 08:53:17 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 04, 2010, 07:40:04 AM
For what it's worth-
Cutler's 2009-
-27 tds (3rd best in Bears history after Kramer (29 in 1995) and Luckman (28 in 1943))
-3,666 yards (2nd best in Bears history after Kramer (3,838 in 1995))
-229.1 ypg (2nd after Kramer (239.9 in 1995))
-60.5 % comp. (3rd after Harbaugh (61.5% in 1993) and Walsh (60.6 in 1994)), minimum 10 games.
-1st in completions (336) and attempts (555)
-26 interceptions (2nd after Luckman (31 in 1947, but , he made the Pro Bowl.)
-76.8 career rating as a Bear (4th behind Kramer (80.7), McMahon (80.4), and Walsh (77.9)), minimum 10 games.

So Ron Turner's offenses hold almost all those records? I see Luckman on there twice, and Jim Mcmahon once, but Kramer, Walsh and the 1993-model Harbaugh were all Ron Turner-coached.

That's less a testament to Ron Turner's offensive brilliance than it is a testament to actually utilizing the forward pass, which few of the non-Turner Bear offenses chose to do. I'm not a big believer in blaming all of the offense's woes on Ron Turner. I'm just not one to give him credit for all of the successes either. He is what he is: mediocre. And I'm not sure Ron Turner would want credit for the 1993 Harbaugh. The 61.5 completion % is nice, but the 7 touchdown passes in 15 starts are not.



DPD.

Harbaugh sucked, but he had a straitjacket on him that year.  Pornstedt and Turner didn't trust him (In fairnes, like I said, he did suck).  I'm actually stunned to see Harbo (/Ditka) set a record for completion percentage that year because my memory of that season's offense is riddled with giant dinglberries of frustration. 

You've got a problem with the 1993 Bears offense? 19th in rushing yards despte being 7th in rushing attempts while dead last in both passing attempts and yardage? Sounds like BEARFOOTBALL to me.
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Re: 2009-10 Bears Season: Utler, 'Uther 'Uckers
« Reply #1244 on: January 04, 2010, 01:33:48 PM »
Quote from: SKO on January 04, 2010, 01:04:31 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on January 04, 2010, 12:44:18 PM
Quote from: MAD on January 04, 2010, 12:16:30 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on January 04, 2010, 11:21:15 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on January 04, 2010, 11:13:16 AM
Quote from: BH on January 04, 2010, 11:08:33 AM
This article is optimistic.

QuoteBy Dan Arkush

?

At first read, this seems like the most insightful article on the Bears I've read in my entire life. But what would you be willing to bet that Dan? Arkush just interviewed Hub and passed that bald-headed coot off as an "inside source?"

EDIT: A cursory glance at the Arkush Family Tree reveals that Dan is Hub's less-famous brother. Nice gig.

IIRC, Hub's dad is the one who started this local media empire.

Art Arkush is the responsible party. Correct.

I smell bullshit on the "unnamed sources". Especially the ones trashing Urlacher. I'm not defending that moran but are we supposed to believe Urlacher turned the team against Cade McNown? The jackass that was there a year before Urlacher got there and spent a grand total of 9 games on the same field as Brian? That was Big Cat who lead the anti-Cade charge, the same way Thomas Jones and any moron who wondered why the fuck the Bears drafted Cedric Benson "turned" the locker room against Ced, not Urlacher. A lot of the criticisms are valid, but its just another bitter Arkush hack job.

Cade was a turd, but one of the things that bothered me about that period in time was how free people like Williams and Blake Broccoli Flower felt to spout off on him when in reality they were mediocre players on a bad-to-mediocre team and shouldn't have been talking shit about anybody or anything other than their own unique brand of bittersweet awful football.  I still remember one game when McNown was on the ground and, instead of helping him up like a teammate, Williams basically rag-dolled him off the turf.  The fact that these turdblossoms were comfortable to act like roosters when the entire team should have instead been on alert is yet another example of why I hate how buddy/buddy the media gets with some of these hacktards.

Quote from: SKO on January 04, 2010, 01:10:35 PM
You've got a problem with the 1993 Bears offense? 19th in rushing yards despte being 7th in rushing attempts while dead last in both passing attempts and yardage? Sounds like BEARFOOTBALL to me.

Things got even better the next year, in 1994, on the 1,456 times Lewis Tillman ran into the scrum at the line of scrimmage for two yards.
I think he's more of the appendix of Desipio.  Yeah, it's here and you're vaguely aware of it, but only if reminded.  The only time anyone notices it is when it ruptures (on Weebs in the video game thread).  Beyond that, though, it's basically useless and offers no redeeming value.
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