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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #75 on: October 23, 2015, 11:17:50 AM »
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I'd rather they grab an established pitcher via free agency, trade for a respectable, young #3 pitcher (who still has the potential to blossom in to a top end starter) and maybe take a risk by grabbing a scrap-heap pitcher who may or may not make it with the team.

Equally important, how do they improve the bullpen next year? Presumably with trades?

Maybe? Their bullpen was pretty damn good this year, I'm not sure why the perception seems to be that they weren't. With the necessary caveat that bullpens are unpredictable I would still expect them to have a damn good one built around Rondon, Strop, Grimm, and hopefully a healthy Ramirez. I assume they'll also keep Travis Wood, who was pretty good in the pen as well.

Wood is Arb 3 this year.  Could be too expensive for what he will bring.  He's a non-tender candidate.

Then I would add left handed reliever who can actually strike people out (sorry Clayton Richard) to the wish list.

Wood probably wants to return to the rotation, and he might actually have some trade value. I think he'd be worth keeping, but wouldn't be upset if he got moved.
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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #76 on: October 23, 2015, 12:41:57 PM »
Quote from: Canadouche on October 23, 2015, 11:17:50 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 23, 2015, 08:35:41 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 23, 2015, 08:32:55 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 23, 2015, 07:57:09 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on October 23, 2015, 07:51:23 AM
I'd rather they grab an established pitcher via free agency, trade for a respectable, young #3 pitcher (who still has the potential to blossom in to a top end starter) and maybe take a risk by grabbing a scrap-heap pitcher who may or may not make it with the team.

Equally important, how do they improve the bullpen next year? Presumably with trades?

Maybe? Their bullpen was pretty damn good this year, I'm not sure why the perception seems to be that they weren't. With the necessary caveat that bullpens are unpredictable I would still expect them to have a damn good one built around Rondon, Strop, Grimm, and hopefully a healthy Ramirez. I assume they'll also keep Travis Wood, who was pretty good in the pen as well.

Wood is Arb 3 this year.  Could be too expensive for what he will bring.  He's a non-tender candidate.

Then I would add left handed reliever who can actually strike people out (sorry Clayton Richard) to the wish list.

Wood probably wants to return to the rotation, and he might actually have some trade value. I think he'd be worth keeping, but wouldn't be upset if he got moved.

They'll probably agree to a one-year deal. I'd be surprised if it went all the way to arbitration.
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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #77 on: October 23, 2015, 12:57:18 PM »
When it comes to Travis Wood, it just occurred to me that Theo traded Sean Marshall for future Sean Marshall.

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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #78 on: October 23, 2015, 01:09:16 PM »
Quote from: Yeti on October 23, 2015, 12:57:18 PM
When it comes to Travis Wood, it just occurred to me that Theo traded Sean Marshall for future Sean Marshall.

I had made a similar observation during Game 2 to the people around me.  In the end, Wood ended up filling the role that was eventually vacated by the guy for whom he was traded.
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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #79 on: October 23, 2015, 01:23:08 PM »
Quote from: PANK! on October 23, 2015, 01:09:16 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 23, 2015, 12:57:18 PM
When it comes to Travis Wood, it just occurred to me that Theo traded Sean Marshall for future Sean Marshall.

I had made a similar observation during Game 2 to the people around me.  In the end, Wood ended up filling the role that was eventually vacated by the guy for whom he was traded.

I'm the only one who's saying this, guys, but Travis Wood essentially replaced Sean Marshall in that trade.
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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #80 on: October 23, 2015, 01:29:42 PM »
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 23, 2015, 01:23:08 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 23, 2015, 01:09:16 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 23, 2015, 12:57:18 PM
When it comes to Travis Wood, it just occurred to me that Theo traded Sean Marshall for future Sean Marshall.

I had made a similar observation during Game 2 to the people around me.  In the end, Wood ended up filling the role that was eventually vacated by the guy for whom he was traded.

I'm the only one who's saying this, guys, but Travis Wood essentially replaced Sean Marshall in that trade.

Also it's not a true PANK but saying a guy who was gone before Wood arrived (because he was traded for Wood, natch) "eventually vacated" the spot that Wood took is some awkward ass sentence construction.
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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #81 on: October 23, 2015, 01:46:51 PM »
Quote from: SKO on October 23, 2015, 01:29:42 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 23, 2015, 01:23:08 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 23, 2015, 01:09:16 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 23, 2015, 12:57:18 PM
When it comes to Travis Wood, it just occurred to me that Theo traded Sean Marshall for future Sean Marshall.

I had made a similar observation during Game 2 to the people around me.  In the end, Wood ended up filling the role that was eventually vacated by the guy for whom he was traded.

I'm the only one who's saying this, guys, but Travis Wood essentially replaced Sean Marshall in that trade.

Also it's not a true PANK but saying a guy who was gone before Wood arrived (because he was traded for Wood, natch) "eventually vacated" the spot that Wood took is some awkward ass sentence construction.

Take it somewhere else of that's how younger about it.

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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #82 on: October 23, 2015, 01:53:30 PM »
Quote from: R-V on October 23, 2015, 01:46:51 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 23, 2015, 01:29:42 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 23, 2015, 01:23:08 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 23, 2015, 01:09:16 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 23, 2015, 12:57:18 PM
When it comes to Travis Wood, it just occurred to me that Theo traded Sean Marshall for future Sean Marshall.

I had made a similar observation during Game 2 to the people around me.  In the end, Wood ended up filling the role that was eventually vacated by the guy for whom he was traded.

I'm the only one who's saying this, guys, but Travis Wood essentially replaced Sean Marshall in that trade.

Also it's not a true PANK but saying a guy who was gone before Wood arrived (because he was traded for Wood, natch) "eventually vacated" the spot that Wood took is some awkward ass sentence construction.

Take it somewhere else of that's how younger about it.

Just trying to gigure out ho this sentence construction works, man
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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #83 on: October 23, 2015, 01:59:42 PM »
I was perusing Jason Heyward's Baseball Reference page and his #4 comp through age 25 season was interesting.

Heyward
.353 OBP
.431 SLG
31.1 WAR

Mystery Comp
.358 OBP
.479 SLG
33.2 WAR

I don't know about you guys but I'm ready to spend some cash on Barry Bonds* minus some pop in his bat.

* He's not actually the next Barry Bonds

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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #84 on: October 23, 2015, 02:15:47 PM »
Quote from: R-V on October 23, 2015, 01:59:42 PM
I was perusing Jason Heyward's Baseball Reference page and his #4 comp through age 25 season was interesting.

Heyward
.353 OBP
.431 SLG
31.1 WAR

Mystery Comp
.358 OBP
.479 SLG
33.2 WAR

I don't know about you guys but I'm ready to spend some cash on Barry Bonds* minus some pop in his bat.

* He's not actually the next Barry Bonds

I definitely would like Heyward in CF next year vs. overpaying for a guy like Price. Trade whatever prospects you can to get a solid #2/3 starter, sign a mid-tier innings eater to be your #4, and baby you got a second consecutive 90+ win season stew goin'
I will vow, for the sake of peace, not to complain about David Ross between now and his first start next year- 10/26/2015

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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #85 on: October 23, 2015, 02:32:13 PM »
Quote from: SKO on October 23, 2015, 02:15:47 PM
Quote from: R-V on October 23, 2015, 01:59:42 PM
I was perusing Jason Heyward's Baseball Reference page and his #4 comp through age 25 season was interesting.

Heyward
.353 OBP
.431 SLG
31.1 WAR

Mystery Comp
.358 OBP
.479 SLG
33.2 WAR

I don't know about you guys but I'm ready to spend some cash on Barry Bonds* minus some pop in his bat.

* He's not actually the next Barry Bonds

I definitely would like Heyward in CF next year vs. overpaying for a guy like Price. Trade whatever prospects you can to get a solid #2/3 starter, sign a mid-tier innings eater to be your #4, and baby you got a second consecutive 90+ win season stew goin'

There's no reason for it to be versus.

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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #86 on: October 23, 2015, 02:33:26 PM »
Quote from: R-V on October 23, 2015, 01:59:42 PM
I was perusing Jason Heyward's Baseball Reference page and his #4 comp through age 25 season was interesting.

Heyward
.353 OBP
.431 SLG
31.1 WAR

Mystery Comp
.358 OBP
.479 SLG
33.2 WAR

I don't know about you guys but I'm ready to spend some cash on Barry Bonds* minus some pop in his bat.

* He's not actually the next Barry Bonds

I think entirely based on his physique*, he reminds me a lot of a left-handed Andre Dawson. I wouldn't mind watching him play in CF next year.

*physique is a really weird word
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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #87 on: October 23, 2015, 02:34:16 PM »
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 23, 2015, 02:32:13 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 23, 2015, 02:15:47 PM
Quote from: R-V on October 23, 2015, 01:59:42 PM
I was perusing Jason Heyward's Baseball Reference page and his #4 comp through age 25 season was interesting.

Heyward
.353 OBP
.431 SLG
31.1 WAR

Mystery Comp
.358 OBP
.479 SLG
33.2 WAR

I don't know about you guys but I'm ready to spend some cash on Barry Bonds* minus some pop in his bat.

* He's not actually the next Barry Bonds

I definitely would like Heyward in CF next year vs. overpaying for a guy like Price. Trade whatever prospects you can to get a solid #2/3 starter, sign a mid-tier innings eater to be your #4, and baby you got a second consecutive 90+ win season stew goin'

There's no reason for it to be versus.

Both.

Chuck that's just not going to happen no matter how much you're setting things up so that you can continue to be mad at the Ricketts when they don't spend 400 mildo in one offseason.
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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #88 on: October 23, 2015, 02:54:06 PM »
Quote from: R-V on October 23, 2015, 01:59:42 PM
I was perusing Jason Heyward's Baseball Reference page and his #4 comp through age 25 season was interesting.

Heyward
.353 OBP
.431 SLG
31.1 WAR

Mystery Comp
.358 OBP
.479 SLG
33.2 WAR

I don't know about you guys but I'm ready to spend some cash on Barry Bonds* minus some pop in his bat.

* He's not actually the next Barry Bonds

Heyward might be the Cubs' only option in CF if they're asking someone to Baumholtz his ass off between Soler and Schwarber out there.
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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #89 on: October 23, 2015, 04:02:09 PM »
Quote from: Canadouche on October 23, 2015, 02:33:26 PM
Quote from: R-V on October 23, 2015, 01:59:42 PM
I was perusing Jason Heyward's Baseball Reference page and his #4 comp through age 25 season was interesting.

Heyward
.353 OBP
.431 SLG
31.1 WAR

Mystery Comp
.358 OBP
.479 SLG
33.2 WAR

I don't know about you guys but I'm ready to spend some cash on Barry Bonds* minus some pop in his bat.

* He's not actually the next Barry Bonds

I think entirely based on his physique*, he reminds me a lot of a left-handed Andre Dawson. I wouldn't mind watching him play in CF next year.

*physique is a really weird word

VEB is in a collective panic over the Cubs signing Heyward away, so maybe there's something to it.

I still want Price though.
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