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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #495 on: December 01, 2015, 05:47:31 PM »
Quote from: SKO on December 01, 2015, 05:43:08 PM
Quote from: PANK! on December 01, 2015, 05:28:44 PM
So is there anything that would prevent the Cubs from re-signing Fowler?  I'm merely a caveman with only a vague understanding of the free agency rules so I figured I'll risk getting pointed at and laughed at by asking the question.



Apparently they have no money but that's cool because would you want any of these free agents at those prices?  Woof too rich for my blood

That doesn't answer my question. 
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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #496 on: December 01, 2015, 07:16:12 PM »
Quote from: PANK! on December 01, 2015, 05:47:31 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 01, 2015, 05:43:08 PM
Quote from: PANK! on December 01, 2015, 05:28:44 PM
So is there anything that would prevent the Cubs from re-signing Fowler?  I'm merely a caveman with only a vague understanding of the free agency rules so I figured I'll risk getting pointed at and laughed at by asking the question.



Apparently they have no money but that's cool because would you want any of these free agents at those prices?  Woof too rich for my blood

That doesn't answer my question. 

There is not.

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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #497 on: December 01, 2015, 08:05:47 PM »
Quote from: Eli on December 01, 2015, 07:16:12 PM
Quote from: PANK! on December 01, 2015, 05:47:31 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 01, 2015, 05:43:08 PM
Quote from: PANK! on December 01, 2015, 05:28:44 PM
So is there anything that would prevent the Cubs from re-signing Fowler?  I'm merely a caveman with only a vague understanding of the free agency rules so I figured I'll risk getting pointed at and laughed at by asking the question.



Apparently they have no money but that's cool because would you want any of these free agents at those prices?  Woof too rich for my blood

That doesn't answer my question. 

There is not.

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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #498 on: December 01, 2015, 10:18:26 PM »
Coghlan and Travis Wood for Shelby Miller? Did Fork write this too?

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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #499 on: December 02, 2015, 01:29:32 AM »
Quote from: PANK! on December 01, 2015, 05:28:44 PM
So is there anything that would prevent the Cubs from re-signing Fowler?  I'm merely a caveman with only a vague understanding of the free agency rules so I figured I'll risk getting pointed at and laughed at by asking the question.



Declining a qualifying offer does not mean that the free agent can't re-sign with his previous team, and I wouldn't be surprised to see the Cubs bring Fowler back.
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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #500 on: December 02, 2015, 07:50:47 AM »
To be fair, Fork offering Coghlan/Wood for Miller is only the third dumbest trade proposal involving Shelby Miller I heard yesterday, with the Braves apparently real offers of Shelby Miller for AJ Pollock, or Shelby Miller/Arodys Vizcaino for Pollock and one of the Diamondbacks top ten prospects taking the cake.

At least Fork understood WAR enough to know the Cubs should offer a package that was worth more wins than Miller alone was, the Braves apparently decided to offer Miller's 3.4 WAR as a middle of the rotation starter for a guy that was worth nearly 7 wins in CF.

It's going to take more effort than it's worth to talk them down from thinking Miller is worth Pollock to thinking Miller is worth something less than Jorge Soler. Pass.
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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #501 on: December 02, 2015, 07:51:13 AM »
Quote from: Brownie on December 01, 2015, 10:18:26 PM
Coghlan and Travis Wood for Shelby Miller? Did Fork write this too?

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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #502 on: December 02, 2015, 08:36:28 AM »
Quote from: SKO on December 02, 2015, 07:50:47 AM
To be fair, Fork offering Coghlan/Wood for Miller is only the third dumbest trade proposal involving Shelby Miller I heard yesterday, with the Braves apparently real offers of Shelby Miller for AJ Pollock, or Shelby Miller/Arodys Vizcaino for Pollock and one of the Diamondbacks top ten prospects taking the cake.

At least Fork understood WAR enough to know the Cubs should offer a package that was worth more wins than Miller alone was, the Braves apparently decided to offer Miller's 3.4 WAR as a middle of the rotation starter for a guy that was worth nearly 7 wins in CF.

It's going to take more effort than it's worth to talk them down from thinking Miller is worth Pollock to thinking Miller is worth something less than Jorge Soler. Pass.

Just spitballing, but would anyone here trade Schwarber or Russell for Pollock?

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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #503 on: December 02, 2015, 08:38:10 AM »
Quote from: Eli on December 02, 2015, 08:36:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 02, 2015, 07:50:47 AM
To be fair, Fork offering Coghlan/Wood for Miller is only the third dumbest trade proposal involving Shelby Miller I heard yesterday, with the Braves apparently real offers of Shelby Miller for AJ Pollock, or Shelby Miller/Arodys Vizcaino for Pollock and one of the Diamondbacks top ten prospects taking the cake.

At least Fork understood WAR enough to know the Cubs should offer a package that was worth more wins than Miller alone was, the Braves apparently decided to offer Miller's 3.4 WAR as a middle of the rotation starter for a guy that was worth nearly 7 wins in CF.

It's going to take more effort than it's worth to talk them down from thinking Miller is worth Pollock to thinking Miller is worth something less than Jorge Soler. Pass.

Just spitballing, but would anyone here trade Schwarber or Russell for Pollock?

Not me. SKO would.
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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #504 on: December 02, 2015, 08:39:42 AM »
Quote from: Eli on December 02, 2015, 08:36:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 02, 2015, 07:50:47 AM
To be fair, Fork offering Coghlan/Wood for Miller is only the third dumbest trade proposal involving Shelby Miller I heard yesterday, with the Braves apparently real offers of Shelby Miller for AJ Pollock, or Shelby Miller/Arodys Vizcaino for Pollock and one of the Diamondbacks top ten prospects taking the cake.

At least Fork understood WAR enough to know the Cubs should offer a package that was worth more wins than Miller alone was, the Braves apparently decided to offer Miller's 3.4 WAR as a middle of the rotation starter for a guy that was worth nearly 7 wins in CF.

It's going to take more effort than it's worth to talk them down from thinking Miller is worth Pollock to thinking Miller is worth something less than Jorge Soler. Pass.

Just spitballing, but would anyone here trade Schwarber or Russell for Pollock?

I'd rather they keep those two and re-sign Fowler myself.
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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #505 on: December 02, 2015, 08:44:16 AM »
Quote from: Eli on December 02, 2015, 08:36:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 02, 2015, 07:50:47 AM
To be fair, Fork offering Coghlan/Wood for Miller is only the third dumbest trade proposal involving Shelby Miller I heard yesterday, with the Braves apparently real offers of Shelby Miller for AJ Pollock, or Shelby Miller/Arodys Vizcaino for Pollock and one of the Diamondbacks top ten prospects taking the cake.

At least Fork understood WAR enough to know the Cubs should offer a package that was worth more wins than Miller alone was, the Braves apparently decided to offer Miller's 3.4 WAR as a middle of the rotation starter for a guy that was worth nearly 7 wins in CF.

It's going to take more effort than it's worth to talk them down from thinking Miller is worth Pollock to thinking Miller is worth something less than Jorge Soler. Pass.

Just spitballing, but would anyone here trade Schwarber or Russell for Pollock?

I'd probably trade Schwarber for Pollock. I don't know about Russell.
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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #506 on: December 02, 2015, 08:49:00 AM »
Quote from: PANK! on December 02, 2015, 08:39:42 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 02, 2015, 08:36:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 02, 2015, 07:50:47 AM
To be fair, Fork offering Coghlan/Wood for Miller is only the third dumbest trade proposal involving Shelby Miller I heard yesterday, with the Braves apparently real offers of Shelby Miller for AJ Pollock, or Shelby Miller/Arodys Vizcaino for Pollock and one of the Diamondbacks top ten prospects taking the cake.

At least Fork understood WAR enough to know the Cubs should offer a package that was worth more wins than Miller alone was, the Braves apparently decided to offer Miller's 3.4 WAR as a middle of the rotation starter for a guy that was worth nearly 7 wins in CF.

It's going to take more effort than it's worth to talk them down from thinking Miller is worth Pollock to thinking Miller is worth something less than Jorge Soler. Pass.

Just spitballing, but would anyone here trade Schwarber or Russell for Pollock?

I'd rather they keep those two and re-sign Fowler myself.

DPD, but I'd probably rather they do that as well, I think Eli was just trying to determine how much we valued Schwarber or Russell. Hard to say that a nearly 7 WAR CF isn't worth either of those guys, frankly.
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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #507 on: December 02, 2015, 08:55:15 AM »
Quote from: SKO on December 02, 2015, 08:49:00 AM
Quote from: PANK! on December 02, 2015, 08:39:42 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 02, 2015, 08:36:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 02, 2015, 07:50:47 AM
To be fair, Fork offering Coghlan/Wood for Miller is only the third dumbest trade proposal involving Shelby Miller I heard yesterday, with the Braves apparently real offers of Shelby Miller for AJ Pollock, or Shelby Miller/Arodys Vizcaino for Pollock and one of the Diamondbacks top ten prospects taking the cake.

At least Fork understood WAR enough to know the Cubs should offer a package that was worth more wins than Miller alone was, the Braves apparently decided to offer Miller's 3.4 WAR as a middle of the rotation starter for a guy that was worth nearly 7 wins in CF.

It's going to take more effort than it's worth to talk them down from thinking Miller is worth Pollock to thinking Miller is worth something less than Jorge Soler. Pass.

Just spitballing, but would anyone here trade Schwarber or Russell for Pollock?

I'd rather they keep those two and re-sign Fowler myself.

DPD, but I'd probably rather they do that as well, I think Eli was just trying to determine how much we valued Schwarber or Russell. Hard to say that a nearly 7 WAR CF isn't worth either of those guys, frankly.

In his prime, with three years of team control left. I don't think most people realize how good he is.

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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #508 on: December 02, 2015, 08:56:44 AM »
Quote from: Eli on December 02, 2015, 08:55:15 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 02, 2015, 08:49:00 AM
Quote from: PANK! on December 02, 2015, 08:39:42 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 02, 2015, 08:36:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 02, 2015, 07:50:47 AM
To be fair, Fork offering Coghlan/Wood for Miller is only the third dumbest trade proposal involving Shelby Miller I heard yesterday, with the Braves apparently real offers of Shelby Miller for AJ Pollock, or Shelby Miller/Arodys Vizcaino for Pollock and one of the Diamondbacks top ten prospects taking the cake.

At least Fork understood WAR enough to know the Cubs should offer a package that was worth more wins than Miller alone was, the Braves apparently decided to offer Miller's 3.4 WAR as a middle of the rotation starter for a guy that was worth nearly 7 wins in CF.

It's going to take more effort than it's worth to talk them down from thinking Miller is worth Pollock to thinking Miller is worth something less than Jorge Soler. Pass.

Just spitballing, but would anyone here trade Schwarber or Russell for Pollock?

I'd rather they keep those two and re-sign Fowler myself.

DPD, but I'd probably rather they do that as well, I think Eli was just trying to determine how much we valued Schwarber or Russell. Hard to say that a nearly 7 WAR CF isn't worth either of those guys, frankly.

In his prime, with three years of team control left. I don't think most people realize how good he is.

No he's definitely underrated. Hell it took this year for most people to realize Paul Goldschmidt was as good as he is. Not a lot of attention paid to the Diamondbacks. Probably rightfully so.
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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #509 on: December 02, 2015, 08:57:40 AM »
Quote from: SKO on December 02, 2015, 08:49:00 AM
Quote from: PANK! on December 02, 2015, 08:39:42 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 02, 2015, 08:36:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 02, 2015, 07:50:47 AM
To be fair, Fork offering Coghlan/Wood for Miller is only the third dumbest trade proposal involving Shelby Miller I heard yesterday, with the Braves apparently real offers of Shelby Miller for AJ Pollock, or Shelby Miller/Arodys Vizcaino for Pollock and one of the Diamondbacks top ten prospects taking the cake.

At least Fork understood WAR enough to know the Cubs should offer a package that was worth more wins than Miller alone was, the Braves apparently decided to offer Miller's 3.4 WAR as a middle of the rotation starter for a guy that was worth nearly 7 wins in CF.

It's going to take more effort than it's worth to talk them down from thinking Miller is worth Pollock to thinking Miller is worth something less than Jorge Soler. Pass.

Just spitballing, but would anyone here trade Schwarber or Russell for Pollock?

I'd rather they keep those two and re-sign Fowler myself.

DPD, but I'd probably rather they do that as well, I think Eli was just trying to determine how much we valued Schwarber or Russell. Hard to say that a nearly 7 WAR CF isn't worth either of those guys, frankly.

Agreed, but the improvement from Fowler to Pollock doesn't quite cover the dropoff from Schwarber to...Coghlan?

I guess Russell would make more sense since Baez could replace him, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Russell may still develop into a special player.  Since the Cubs haven't spent any money yet I'd prefer they keep their younguns for now and buy themselves a solid CF like Fowler or Span.
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