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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #855 on: December 28, 2015, 08:53:52 AM »
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 28, 2015, 08:47:02 AM
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Javy, Jorge, Almora, and Gleyber for Jose Fernandez. First, would that be enough, and second, would you be okay with it?

Guessing they'd want Pierce Johnson instead of Almora. But yeah, I'd do that.

No fucking way do I give up both Javy and Jorge for a guy who already has had Tommy John Disease.  He's already arbitration eligible and he's eligible for free agency in 3 years. Trading 22 years of control, 10 of which are already in the majors for 3? No way.

1 world series win >>>>>>>> 22 years of control.

Pretty sure that you can't guarantee that adding Fernandez and subtracting Soler and Javy can guarantee that.

And I like my chances of trying to win with Soler and Javy for the next 5 years vs. not having them and trying to win with Fernandez for only the next three years.

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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #856 on: December 28, 2015, 09:17:26 AM »
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 28, 2015, 08:53:52 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 28, 2015, 08:47:02 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 28, 2015, 08:25:01 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 28, 2015, 08:18:41 AM
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Javy, Jorge, Almora, and Gleyber for Jose Fernandez. First, would that be enough, and second, would you be okay with it?

Guessing they'd want Pierce Johnson instead of Almora. But yeah, I'd do that.

No fucking way do I give up both Javy and Jorge for a guy who already has had Tommy John Disease.  He's already arbitration eligible and he's eligible for free agency in 3 years. Trading 22 years of control, 10 of which are already in the majors for 3? No way.

1 world series win >>>>>>>> 22 years of control.

Pretty sure that you can't guarantee that adding Fernandez and subtracting Soler and Javy can guarantee that.

And I like my chances of trying to win with Soler and Javy for the next 5 years vs. not having them and trying to win with Fernandez for only the next three years.

Where does Javy fit into the Chuck 5-year plan? Is the NL instituting short CF?
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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #857 on: December 28, 2015, 09:28:25 AM »
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 28, 2015, 08:25:01 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 28, 2015, 08:18:41 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 28, 2015, 03:18:22 AM
Javy, Jorge, Almora, and Gleyber for Jose Fernandez. First, would that be enough, and second, would you be okay with it?

Guessing they'd want Pierce Johnson instead of Almora. But yeah, I'd do that.

No fucking way do I give up both Javy and Jorge for a guy who already has had Tommy John Disease.  He's already arbitration eligible and he's eligible for free agency in 3 years. Trading 22 years of control, 10 of which are already in the majors for 3? No way.

You keep saying "control" like it means anything on its own.

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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #858 on: December 28, 2015, 09:31:01 AM »
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 28, 2015, 09:17:26 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 28, 2015, 08:53:52 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 28, 2015, 08:47:02 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 28, 2015, 08:25:01 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 28, 2015, 08:18:41 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 28, 2015, 03:18:22 AM
Javy, Jorge, Almora, and Gleyber for Jose Fernandez. First, would that be enough, and second, would you be okay with it?

Guessing they'd want Pierce Johnson instead of Almora. But yeah, I'd do that.

No fucking way do I give up both Javy and Jorge for a guy who already has had Tommy John Disease.  He's already arbitration eligible and he's eligible for free agency in 3 years. Trading 22 years of control, 10 of which are already in the majors for 3? No way.

1 world series win >>>>>>>> 22 years of control.

Pretty sure that you can't guarantee that adding Fernandez and subtracting Soler and Javy can guarantee that.

And I like my chances of trying to win with Soler and Javy for the next 5 years vs. not having them and trying to win with Fernandez for only the next three years.

Where does Javy fit into the Chuck 5-year plan? Is the NL instituting short CF?

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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #859 on: December 28, 2015, 09:51:05 AM »
Quote from: PANK! on December 28, 2015, 09:31:01 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 28, 2015, 09:17:26 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 28, 2015, 08:53:52 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 28, 2015, 08:47:02 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 28, 2015, 08:25:01 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 28, 2015, 08:18:41 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 28, 2015, 03:18:22 AM
Javy, Jorge, Almora, and Gleyber for Jose Fernandez. First, would that be enough, and second, would you be okay with it?

Guessing they'd want Pierce Johnson instead of Almora. But yeah, I'd do that.

No fucking way do I give up both Javy and Jorge for a guy who already has had Tommy John Disease.  He's already arbitration eligible and he's eligible for free agency in 3 years. Trading 22 years of control, 10 of which are already in the majors for 3? No way.

1 world series win >>>>>>>> 22 years of control.

Pretty sure that you can't guarantee that adding Fernandez and subtracting Soler and Javy can guarantee that.

And I like my chances of trying to win with Soler and Javy for the next 5 years vs. not having them and trying to win with Fernandez for only the next three years.

Where does Javy fit into the Chuck 5-year plan? Is the NL instituting short CF?

Javy's LaStella's the new Zobrist and Zobrist is the new RYAN SANDBURG
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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #860 on: December 29, 2015, 12:36:37 PM »
DPD

Yasiel Sierra was just declared a free agent.

24 years old, heater tops off at 97. Has command issues. Might be someone worth taking a run at, and see if Bosio can get him settled down.
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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #861 on: December 29, 2015, 03:03:37 PM »
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 29, 2015, 12:36:37 PM
DPD

Yasiel Sierra was just declared a free agent.

24 years old, heater tops off at 97. Has command issues. Might be someone worth taking a run at, and see if Bosio can get him settled down.

They're already over the bonus pool for this period, so they might as well sign everyone. Get Lazarito too.
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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #862 on: December 30, 2015, 08:45:31 AM »
5 x 5-win players per Zips. Bonertime.

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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #863 on: December 30, 2015, 08:56:17 AM »
Quote from: Oleg on December 30, 2015, 08:45:31 AM
5 x 5-win players per Zips. Bonertime.

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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #864 on: December 30, 2015, 09:01:11 AM »
Quote from: Oleg on December 30, 2015, 08:45:31 AM
5 x 5-win players per Zips. Bonertime.

With very low expectations set for Soler. This will be fung.
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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #865 on: December 30, 2015, 09:07:05 AM »
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 30, 2015, 09:01:11 AM
Quote from: Oleg on December 30, 2015, 08:45:31 AM
5 x 5-win players per Zips. Bonertime.

With very low expectations set for Soler. This will be fung.

Pretty moderate expectations for Jorge and Russell. They certainly have the potential to exceed those projections, but pretty encouraging that the projections are this high without banking on anyone making astronomical leaps.
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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #866 on: December 30, 2015, 09:18:41 AM »
Quote from: Oleg on December 30, 2015, 08:45:31 AM
5 x 5-win players per Zips. Bonertime.

Amused that the No. 1 comp for Bryant is Harlond Clift, who was no Troy Glaus.

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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #867 on: December 30, 2015, 09:22:26 AM »
Quote from: Eli on December 30, 2015, 09:18:41 AM
Quote from: Oleg on December 30, 2015, 08:45:31 AM
5 x 5-win players per Zips. Bonertime.

Amused that the No. 1 comp for Bryant is Harlond Clift, who was no Troy Glaus.

I had to look him up.  And, yeah, it is funny.  But, as a 24 year old, he had a 140 OPS+ and was a 7-win player.  He was pretty good as a 25 year old , too.

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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #868 on: December 30, 2015, 09:24:09 AM »
Quote from: Oleg on December 30, 2015, 09:22:26 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 30, 2015, 09:18:41 AM
Quote from: Oleg on December 30, 2015, 08:45:31 AM
5 x 5-win players per Zips. Bonertime.

Amused that the No. 1 comp for Bryant is Harlond Clift, who was no Troy Glaus.

I had to look him up.  And, yeah, it is funny.  But, as a 24 year old, he had a 140 OPS+ and was a 7-win player.  He was pretty good as a 25 year old , too.

Great name, too.

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Re: 2015 Cubs Offseason: Building a Winner Around David Ross
« Reply #869 on: December 30, 2015, 09:40:34 AM »
It's interesting they project Bryant to still strike out 30% of the time and yet be just as awesome if not moreso than last year. Kid is unique. I keep seeing H8RZ from other fanbases cite his high BABIP and high K rates as reasons to label him another Adam Dunn or whatever but the quality of the contact he makes is insane and he keeps sustaining high BABIPs at nearly every level.
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