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Re: 2012 Chicago Cubs
« Reply #270 on: May 11, 2012, 12:23:46 PM »
Quote from: Brownie on May 11, 2012, 12:14:23 PM
Josh Beckett is being run out of Boston. Does anyone really think he's done? Coincidentally, he's owed $2MM/year less than Soriano over the same term. Kevin Youkilis is owed about the same as Dempster this year and will certainly be a free agent after the season. The Cubs could kick in a bit more than $6MM cash, Ian Stewart, Blake Dewitt and any other trash to get Soriano off their hands, and the Sawx might be happy to get the chicken guy out of there.

You then would have Youkilis at 3rd, Rizzo at 1st, The Hair in left:

DeJesus rf
Castro ss
Youkilis 3b
LaHair lf
Rizzo 1b
Soto c
Johnson/Campana cf
Barney 2b
SP: Garza/Beckett/Snork/Maholm/Volstad

It doesn't make the Cubs any older, and if Beckett shows signs that he's healthy and focused, he's a much more trade-able piece later.

Thoughts?

Why would Boston want to do this trade?

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Re: 2012 Chicago Cubs
« Reply #271 on: May 11, 2012, 12:31:54 PM »
Quote from: BH on May 11, 2012, 12:23:46 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 11, 2012, 12:14:23 PM
Josh Beckett is being run out of Boston. Does anyone really think he's done? Coincidentally, he's owed $2MM/year less than Soriano over the same term. Kevin Youkilis is owed about the same as Dempster this year and will certainly be a free agent after the season. The Cubs could kick in a bit more than $6MM cash, Ian Stewart, Blake Dewitt and any other trash to get Soriano off their hands, and the Sawx might be happy to get the chicken guy out of there.

You then would have Youkilis at 3rd, Rizzo at 1st, The Hair in left:

DeJesus rf
Castro ss
Youkilis 3b
LaHair lf
Rizzo 1b
Soto c
Johnson/Campana cf
Barney 2b
SP: Garza/Beckett/Snork/Maholm/Volstad

It doesn't make the Cubs any older, and if Beckett shows signs that he's healthy and focused, he's a much more trade-able piece later.

Thoughts?

Why would Boston want to do this trade?

They're apparently shopping Youkilis around and Valentine wants Beckett out of the clubhouse after he played golf last week a day after being scratched from a start. Obviously, the Cubs would have to include something else but it might not be as high a cost as you'd think.

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Re: 2012 Chicago Cubs
« Reply #272 on: May 11, 2012, 12:33:21 PM »
Quote from: Brownie on May 11, 2012, 12:31:54 PM
Quote from: BH on May 11, 2012, 12:23:46 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 11, 2012, 12:14:23 PM
Josh Beckett is being run out of Boston. Does anyone really think he's done? Coincidentally, he's owed $2MM/year less than Soriano over the same term. Kevin Youkilis is owed about the same as Dempster this year and will certainly be a free agent after the season. The Cubs could kick in a bit more than $6MM cash, Ian Stewart, Blake Dewitt and any other trash to get Soriano off their hands, and the Sawx might be happy to get the chicken guy out of there.

You then would have Youkilis at 3rd, Rizzo at 1st, The Hair in left:

DeJesus rf
Castro ss
Youkilis 3b
LaHair lf
Rizzo 1b
Soto c
Johnson/Campana cf
Barney 2b
SP: Garza/Beckett/Snork/Maholm/Volstad

It doesn't make the Cubs any older, and if Beckett shows signs that he's healthy and focused, he's a much more trade-able piece later.

Thoughts?

Why would Boston want to do this trade?

They're apparently shopping Youkilis around and Valentine wants Beckett out of the clubhouse after he played golf last week a day after being scratched from a start. Obviously, the Cubs would have to include something else but it might not be as high a cost as you'd think.

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Re: 2012 Chicago Cubs
« Reply #273 on: May 11, 2012, 12:35:23 PM »
Quote from: Internet Apex on May 11, 2012, 12:33:21 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 11, 2012, 12:31:54 PM
Quote from: BH on May 11, 2012, 12:23:46 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 11, 2012, 12:14:23 PM
Josh Beckett is being run out of Boston. Does anyone really think he's done? Coincidentally, he's owed $2MM/year less than Soriano over the same term. Kevin Youkilis is owed about the same as Dempster this year and will certainly be a free agent after the season. The Cubs could kick in a bit more than $6MM cash, Ian Stewart, Blake Dewitt and any other trash to get Soriano off their hands, and the Sawx might be happy to get the chicken guy out of there.

You then would have Youkilis at 3rd, Rizzo at 1st, The Hair in left:

DeJesus rf
Castro ss
Youkilis 3b
LaHair lf
Rizzo 1b
Soto c
Johnson/Campana cf
Barney 2b
SP: Garza/Beckett/Snork/Maholm/Volstad

It doesn't make the Cubs any older, and if Beckett shows signs that he's healthy and focused, he's a much more trade-able piece later.

Thoughts?

Why would Boston want to do this trade?

They're apparently shopping Youkilis around and Valentine wants Beckett out of the clubhouse after he played golf last week a day after being scratched from a start. Obviously, the Cubs would have to include something else but it might not be as high a cost as you'd think.

You have no idea what I think. If you did, you'd kill me.

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Re: 2012 Chicago Cubs
« Reply #274 on: May 11, 2012, 12:36:22 PM »
Quote from: BH on May 11, 2012, 12:35:23 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on May 11, 2012, 12:33:21 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 11, 2012, 12:31:54 PM
Quote from: BH on May 11, 2012, 12:23:46 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 11, 2012, 12:14:23 PM
Josh Beckett is being run out of Boston. Does anyone really think he's done? Coincidentally, he's owed $2MM/year less than Soriano over the same term. Kevin Youkilis is owed about the same as Dempster this year and will certainly be a free agent after the season. The Cubs could kick in a bit more than $6MM cash, Ian Stewart, Blake Dewitt and any other trash to get Soriano off their hands, and the Sawx might be happy to get the chicken guy out of there.

You then would have Youkilis at 3rd, Rizzo at 1st, The Hair in left:

DeJesus rf
Castro ss
Youkilis 3b
LaHair lf
Rizzo 1b
Soto c
Johnson/Campana cf
Barney 2b
SP: Garza/Beckett/Snork/Maholm/Volstad

It doesn't make the Cubs any older, and if Beckett shows signs that he's healthy and focused, he's a much more trade-able piece later.

Thoughts?

Why would Boston want to do this trade?

They're apparently shopping Youkilis around and Valentine wants Beckett out of the clubhouse after he played golf last week a day after being scratched from a start. Obviously, the Cubs would have to include something else but it might not be as high a cost as you'd think.

You have no idea what I think. If you did, you'd kill me.

You have no idea what he'd do.

I'd kill you both ... and Epstink.

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Re: 2012 Chicago Cubs
« Reply #275 on: May 11, 2012, 12:38:25 PM »
Quote from: Brownie on May 11, 2012, 12:14:23 PM
Josh Beckett is being run out of Boston. Does anyone really think he's done? Coincidentally, he's owed $2MM/year less than Soriano over the same term. Kevin Youkilis is owed about the same as Dempster this year and will certainly be a free agent after the season. The Cubs could kick in a bit more than $6MM cash, Ian Stewart, Blake Dewitt and any other trash to get Soriano off their hands, and the Sawx might be happy to get the chicken guy out of there.

You then would have Youkilis at 3rd, Rizzo at 1st, The Hair in left:

DeJesus rf
Castro ss
Youkilis 3b
LaHair lf
Rizzo 1b
Soto c
Johnson/Campana cf
Barney 2b
SP: Garza/Beckett/Snork/Maholm/Volstad

It doesn't make the Cubs any older, and if Beckett shows signs that he's healthy and focused, he's a much more trade-able piece later.

Thoughts?

If Cherington got really drunk and agreed to that deal, I'd be all for it.

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Re: 2012 Chicago Cubs
« Reply #276 on: May 11, 2012, 12:39:09 PM »
Quote from: Brownie on May 11, 2012, 12:31:54 PM
Kevin Youkilis is owed about the same as Dempster this year and will certainly be a free agent after the season.

Then what's the interest in him from the Cubs' perspective?
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Re: 2012 Chicago Cubs
« Reply #277 on: May 11, 2012, 12:46:29 PM »
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 11, 2012, 12:39:09 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 11, 2012, 12:31:54 PM
Kevin Youkilis is owed about the same as Dempster this year and will certainly be a free agent after the season.

Then what's the interest in him from the Cubs' perspective?

We get Youk, then trade him to boston at the trade deadline for players to be named later.

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Re: 2012 Chicago Cubs
« Reply #278 on: May 11, 2012, 12:51:11 PM »
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 11, 2012, 12:39:09 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 11, 2012, 12:31:54 PM
Kevin Youkilis is owed about the same as Dempster this year and will certainly be a free agent after the season.

Then what's the interest in him from the Cubs' perspective?

You hope the change of scenery does Beckett some good. And in Dempster, the Sawx get a clubhouse guy, someone who will use rubber chickens, not eat fried chicken.

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Re: 2012 Chicago Cubs
« Reply #279 on: May 11, 2012, 12:55:14 PM »
Quote from: Brownie on May 11, 2012, 12:51:11 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 11, 2012, 12:39:09 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 11, 2012, 12:31:54 PM
Kevin Youkilis is owed about the same as Dempster this year and will certainly be a free agent after the season.

Then what's the interest in him from the Cubs' perspective?

You hope the change of scenery does Beckett some good. And in Dempster, the Sawx get a clubhouse guy, someone who will use rubber chickens, not eat fried chicken.

I was referring to Youkilis.
Loor and I came acrossks like opatoets.

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Re: 2012 Chicago Cubs
« Reply #280 on: May 11, 2012, 02:02:52 PM »
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 11, 2012, 12:55:14 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 11, 2012, 12:51:11 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 11, 2012, 12:39:09 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 11, 2012, 12:31:54 PM
Kevin Youkilis is owed about the same as Dempster this year and will certainly be a free agent after the season.

Then what's the interest in him from the Cubs' perspective?

You hope the change of scenery does Beckett some good. And in Dempster, the Sawx get a clubhouse guy, someone who will use rubber chickens, not eat fried chicken.

I was referring to Youkilis.

Well, if you read Phil Rogers today, the Cubs would be able to spin him off to the White Sox for Gavin Floyd and Matt Thornton.

Yes, I realize now how dumb the idle thought was. Oh well.

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Re: 2012 Chicago Cubs
« Reply #281 on: May 11, 2012, 02:34:43 PM »
So Soriano, Dempster and $6mm per year for Beckett and Youkillis?  I don't see this helping the Cubs.  The timetable is 2014.  Will Beckett and Youkillis be good in 2014?  They will be 34 and 35 that year.  Doubtful.

Trade Demps for 1 or 2 under 23 year old prospects and bench or release Soriano.  You're better off that way.

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Re: 2012 Chicago Cubs
« Reply #282 on: May 14, 2012, 08:48:49 AM »
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 11, 2012, 12:55:14 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 11, 2012, 12:51:11 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 11, 2012, 12:39:09 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 11, 2012, 12:31:54 PM
Kevin Youkilis is owed about the same as Dempster this year and will certainly be a free agent after the season.

Then what's the interest in him from the Cubs' perspective?

You hope the change of scenery does Beckett some good. And in Dempster, the Sawx get a clubhouse guy, someone who will use rubber chickens, not eat fried chicken.

I was referring to Youkilis.

He sucks less than Stewart, and provides a placeholder until Vitters is ready.
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Re: 2012 Chicago Cubs
« Reply #283 on: May 14, 2012, 08:52:47 AM »
Quote from: Fork on May 14, 2012, 08:48:49 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 11, 2012, 12:55:14 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 11, 2012, 12:51:11 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 11, 2012, 12:39:09 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 11, 2012, 12:31:54 PM
Kevin Youkilis is owed about the same as Dempster this year and will certainly be a free agent after the season.

Then what's the interest in him from the Cubs' perspective?

You hope the change of scenery does Beckett some good. And in Dempster, the Sawx get a clubhouse guy, someone who will use rubber chickens, not eat fried chicken.

I was referring to Youkilis.

He sucks less than Stewart, and provides a placeholder until Vitters is ready.

Haha.

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Re: 2012 Chicago Cubs
« Reply #284 on: May 14, 2012, 08:52:57 AM »
The only thing the Cubs need to be trading for right now is high-ceiling prospects who project to be major league-ready from 2014-2016.  Anything else is a complete waste of time, unless it saves money, and this trade probably won't.
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