Since we don't care enough anymore to have individual game threads, let's complain, commiserate, and celebrate what happens from week to week here. (or not, do what you want.)
Time for the Bears to start gashing Wolfman Rob's hyped-up defense.
Between Bennett's drops and now Briggs' dumbassery, today's performance went from bad to gutless.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 06, 2013, 02:41:46 PM
Between Bennett's drops and now Briggs' dumbassery, today's performance went from bad to gutless.
A shiny new donkey to whomever can explain this to me before the end of the rainy season.
Quote from: CT III on October 06, 2013, 08:20:36 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 06, 2013, 02:41:46 PM
Between Bennett's drops and now Briggs' dumbassery, today's performance went from bad to gutless.
A shiny new donkey to whomever can explain this to me before the end of the rainy season.
I was in agony when Earl dropped that ball, mostly because of my longstanding mancrush on him. And for most of the day, it seemed that if Briggs didn't do it on defense, it just wasn't going to get done. So to see him blunder so egregiously, well, I know irony when I see it. I need no ruling on the matter.
But I'm not going to be asshurt about this loss. Anybody with half a brain could see it coming. In two weeks, they'll be 5-2 headed into their bye week. And we'll know that they're not really all that great. If you get your hopes up with this bunch you'll end up getting hurt. That is unless they show tons of improvement despite an injury-ravaged defensive line. Football is fun though.
Not good:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/bears-dt-collins-miss-rest-181306139--nfl.html
It may be entertaining to read the list of names of players who have suited up at DT for the Bears at season's end. People were joking about Matt Toeina being available last week, but would anyone be shocked if we saw him again?
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 07, 2013, 02:44:14 PM
Not good:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/bears-dt-collins-miss-rest-181306139--nfl.html
It may be entertaining to read the list of names of players who have suited up at DT for the Bears at season's end. People were joking about Matt Toeina being available last week, but would anyone be shocked if we saw him again?
Spice Adams!
Quote from: Fork on October 07, 2013, 03:11:44 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 07, 2013, 02:44:14 PM
Not good:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/bears-dt-collins-miss-rest-181306139--nfl.html
It may be entertaining to read the list of names of players who have suited up at DT for the Bears at season's end. People were joking about Matt Toeina being available last week, but would anyone be shocked if we saw him again?
Spice Adams!
http://instagram.com/p/fLUhy4weca/#
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 07, 2013, 02:44:14 PM
Not good:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/bears-dt-collins-miss-rest-181306139--nfl.html
It may be entertaining to read the list of names of players who have suited up at DT for the Bears at season's end. People were joking about Matt Toeina being available last week, but would anyone be shocked if we saw him again?
Is Tommie Harris available? Maybe Howie Long would like to suit up for the same team as his kid. That'll sell some tickets! Maybe Michael Strahan is sick of morning inanity and ready to return to football!
JOSHUM COWN SHOULDA BEEN DA STARTER ALL ALONG CUZ JAKE UTLER IS A BUM! INTERCEPTIONS! MOODY! NOT ELITE!
Unless I missed something, the most points the Bears have scored in a loss in franchise history.
Previous best: 38 versus the Rams in '54 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/195410240ram.htm) and the Colts in '58 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/195810040clt.htm).
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 20, 2013, 04:16:57 PM
Unless I missed something, the most points the Bears have scored in a loss in franchise history.
Previous best: 38 versus the Rams in '54 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/195410240ram.htm) and the Colts in '58 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/195810040clt.htm).
This one hurt my heart. I can't watch that defense anymore.
I'm too lazy to look this shit up or scour SKO's site to see it's been hashed out, but I thought I had heard that Mel Tucker had previously worked more extensively with a 3-4 defensive alignment prior to coming to Chicago. And if that's the case, why on earth would he come in here and not attempt to implement it? To appease the members of this defense? If that's the case, then I wonder why anybody'd have felt the need to have done so in the first place--ever since last year's Seattle game I'd say the defense doesn't hold such currency--in spite of all the turnovers, pick-sixes etc.
But in any event, and in all seriousness would the 3-4 fuck up veteran players like Briggs and Tillman? Because from my persepctive, I think it'd be one way to perhaps get some worth out of that goddamn McLellin (which you think would've been another incentive for Emery to have pushed for it). That boy cannot play end in the NFL. And though Bostic didn't look to bad out there yesterday, I think he'd be better off in that same system of football.
I'm just a football idjit, so SKO, I'll sit down and listen for my answer(s).
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2013, 05:26:07 AM
I'm too lazy to look this shit up or scour SKO's site to see it's been hashed out, but I thought I had heard that Mel Tucker had previously worked more extensively with a 3-4 defensive alignment prior to coming to Chicago. And if that's the case, why on earth would he come in here and not attempt to implement it? To appease the members of this defense? If that's the case, then I wonder why anybody'd have felt the need to have done so in the first place--ever since last year's Seattle game I'd say the defense doesn't hold such currency--in spite of all the turnovers, pick-sixes etc.
But in any event, and in all seriousness would the 3-4 fuck up veteran players like Briggs and Tillman? Because from my persepctive, I think it'd be one way to perhaps get some worth out of that goddamn McLellin (which you think would've been another incentive for Emery to have pushed for it). That boy cannot play end in the NFL. And though Bostic didn't look to bad out there yesterday, I think he'd be better off in that same system of football.
I'm just a football idjit, so SKO, I'll sit down and listen for my answer(s).
Wouldn't a 3-4 require totally different personnel on the line? Who do the Bears have that could line up at nose tackle?
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 21, 2013, 08:19:38 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2013, 05:26:07 AM
I'm too lazy to look this shit up or scour SKO's site to see it's been hashed out, but I thought I had heard that Mel Tucker had previously worked more extensively with a 3-4 defensive alignment prior to coming to Chicago. And if that's the case, why on earth would he come in here and not attempt to implement it? To appease the members of this defense? If that's the case, then I wonder why anybody'd have felt the need to have done so in the first place--ever since last year's Seattle game I'd say the defense doesn't hold such currency--in spite of all the turnovers, pick-sixes etc.
But in any event, and in all seriousness would the 3-4 fuck up veteran players like Briggs and Tillman? Because from my persepctive, I think it'd be one way to perhaps get some worth out of that goddamn McLellin (which you think would've been another incentive for Emery to have pushed for it). That boy cannot play end in the NFL. And though Bostic didn't look to bad out there yesterday, I think he'd be better off in that same system of football.
I'm just a football idjit, so SKO, I'll sit down and listen for my answer(s).
Wouldn't a 3-4 require totally different personnel on the line? Who do the Bears have that could line up at nose tackle?
Tucker coached a 4-3 in Jacksonville, but he had worked with 3-4s earlier in his career. They kept the 4-3 because at the time it seemed all of their best players (Briggs, who is a prototypical 4-3 Will and wouldn't be a great fit in a 3-4 IMO, Tillman, Melton) were fits for the defense they were drafted to play, and their front four was presumed to be the strength of the team. If this defense had Henry Melton playing like he did last year and Corey Wootton keeping Shea off the field at the other end I would assume things would be at least somewhat better, but Melton never seemed the same after he got concussed and then he was struck down by Angry Bears Hating God.
Emery keeps saying a 3-4 in the future isn't likely, but we'll see. If Tillman, Melton, and the others are leaving it makes sense to try something else. Right now it would only make things worse because, as Thrill said, they have no one big enough to play the nose in a 3-4 and would require the already overmatched shity safeties to play even more man.
I mean there's nothing inherently broken with the scheme, there's just no pass rush. You get no pass rush with your front four and the team's mediocre safeties get exposed by actually having to do something other than sit back in a two deep zone, and the deep plays rain in bunches. I'd like to firebarn Wright and Conte right now but odds are if the defensive line was playing anywhere close to what it did last year they wouldn't be having this problem.
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2013, 08:35:11 AM
I mean there's nothing inherently broken with the scheme, there's just no pass rush. You get no pass rush with your front four and the team's mediocre safeties get exposed by actually having to do something other than sit back in a two deep zone, and the deep plays rain in bunches. I'd like to firebarn Wright and Conte right now but odds are if the defensive line was playing anywhere close to what it did last year they wouldn't be having this problem.
True, but on the ridiculous lame duck sorta-Hail Mary in which Conte PANKED himself and fell down, that was all secondary.
At this point my best-case scenario if Cutler is OFY is that they re-sign him with a lower price tag thanks to the injury and re-sign Slauson, getting the entire offensive unit under contract for next year. Then Emery can toss whoever he'd like from this year's defense and make devote all of his FA and draft efforts to rebuilding that side of the ball. One guy I'd like them to target is DE Michael Bennett, who was great last year for Tampa and is doing very well for Seattle on a one year deal this year, and he's also Marty B's brother, so I am hoping they can maybe lure him to restore some life to the pass rush.
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2013, 08:40:00 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2013, 08:35:11 AM
I mean there's nothing inherently broken with the scheme, there's just no pass rush. You get no pass rush with your front four and the team's mediocre safeties get exposed by actually having to do something other than sit back in a two deep zone, and the deep plays rain in bunches. I'd like to firebarn Wright and Conte right now but odds are if the defensive line was playing anywhere close to what it did last year they wouldn't be having this problem.
True, but on the ridiculous lame duck sorta-Hail Mary in which Conte PANKED himself and fell down, that was all secondary.
It was. I'm not defending Conte or Wright. Just stating that they are Cover 2 safeties who are serviceable when protected by a pass rush (last year) and horribly exposed when not. I'll shed no tears if Emery shoots them both, but I just think the #1 priority is restoring the pass rush.
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2013, 08:41:31 AM
At this point my best-case scenario if Cutler is OFY is that they re-sign him with a lower price tag thanks to the injury
Even if he's re-signed, don't the Bears have to start the process of finding/developing their next QB? Cutler will be 31 next year. That's not exactly old, but he's certainly approaching the final few years of his prime.*
Which basically means he is who he is at this point. And while I like Cutler and think he's good, I don't know that he's good enough (or
will be good enough) to just sign for five years and then forget about the QB position.
* This (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/articles/age.htm) suggests that 32 is when most QBs start to decline. Not a hard-and-fast rule, but seems to make sense for the non-Mannings and non-Bradys of the world.**
** Good grief, this is depressing.
Quote from: Eli on October 21, 2013, 09:22:12 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2013, 08:41:31 AM
At this point my best-case scenario if Cutler is OFY is that they re-sign him with a lower price tag thanks to the injury
Even if he's re-signed, don't the Bears have to start the process of finding/developing their next QB? Cutler will be 31 next year. That's not exactly old, but he's certainly approaching the final few years of his prime.*
Which basically means he is who he is at this point. And while I like Cutler and think he's good, I don't know that he's good enough (or will be good enough) to just sign for five years and then forget about the QB position.
* This (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/articles/age.htm) suggests that 32 is when most QBs start to decline. Not a hard-and-fast rule, but seems to make sense for the non-Mannings and non-Bradys of the world.**
** Good grief, this is depressing.
The can franchise him and draft/sign defensive players while letting the QB Whisperer do whatever did to Josh McCown to a third or fourth round draft pick every year until they either hit on one or two or bottom out and get everybody fired.
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2013, 08:41:31 AM
One guy I'd like them to target is DE Michael Bennett, who was great last year for Tampa and is doing very well for Seattle on a one year deal this year, and he's also Marty B's brother, so I am hoping they can maybe lure him to restore some life to the pass rush.
The Bears should get ALL the Bennetts.
(Which would also mean targeting these (http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=6100&ATCLID=204968233) guys (http://www.uconnhuskies.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/jimmy_bennett_405328.html) in the next draft.)
Quote from: Eli on October 21, 2013, 09:22:12 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2013, 08:41:31 AM
At this point my best-case scenario if Cutler is OFY is that they re-sign him with a lower price tag thanks to the injury
Even if he's re-signed, don't the Bears have to start the process of finding/developing their next QB? Cutler will be 31 next year. That's not exactly old, but he's certainly approaching the final few years of his prime.*
Which basically means he is who he is at this point. And while I like Cutler and think he's good, I don't know that he's good enough (or will be good enough) to just sign for five years and then forget about the QB position.
* This (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/articles/age.htm) suggests that 32 is when most QBs start to decline. Not a hard-and-fast rule, but seems to make sense for the non-Mannings and non-Bradys of the world.**
** Good grief, this is depressing.
They could tag him, as Pex said. I'm not worried about a decline yet considering arm strength is usually what starts to decline, and Jay's arm is as good as it has ever been. A legitimate prospect behind him wouldn't be a bad idea, but a 5 year extension that, like most NFL deals is probably more like a 3 year deal, is probably fine.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 21, 2013, 09:26:12 AM
The can franchise him and draft/sign defensive players while letting the QB Whisperer do whatever did to Josh McCown to a third or fourth round draft pick every year until they either hit on one or two or bottom out and get everybody fired.
Cool. That sounds good to me.
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2013, 08:40:00 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2013, 08:35:11 AM
I mean there's nothing inherently broken with the scheme, there's just no pass rush. You get no pass rush with your front four and the team's mediocre safeties get exposed by actually having to do something other than sit back in a two deep zone, and the deep plays rain in bunches. I'd like to firebarn Wright and Conte right now but odds are if the defensive line was playing anywhere close to what it did last year they wouldn't be having this problem.
True, but on the ridiculous lame duck sorta-Hail Mary in which Conte PANKED himself and fell down, that was all secondary.
P'Nut also badly misjudged the ball on his leap and should have had the pick too. That play was just ugly, from the throw, to the secondary whiffing on it.
I don't think I've ever seen a defensive player have a worse game yesterday than Conte. He couldn't cover. He got blown up or trapped out of position on just about every run. He might have put together the authoritative film on "how NOT to play safety in the NFL."
Also, since I was at the game and didn't get a replay, were the Bears actually offside on the surprise onside kick?
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 21, 2013, 11:00:04 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2013, 08:40:00 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2013, 08:35:11 AM
I mean there's nothing inherently broken with the scheme, there's just no pass rush. You get no pass rush with your front four and the team's mediocre safeties get exposed by actually having to do something other than sit back in a two deep zone, and the deep plays rain in bunches. I'd like to firebarn Wright and Conte right now but odds are if the defensive line was playing anywhere close to what it did last year they wouldn't be having this problem.
True, but on the ridiculous lame duck sorta-Hail Mary in which Conte PANKED himself and fell down, that was all secondary.
P'Nut also badly misjudged the ball on his leap and should have had the pick too. That play was just ugly, from the throw, to the secondary whiffing on it.
I don't think I've ever seen a defensive player have a worse game yesterday than Conte. He couldn't cover. He got blown up or trapped out of position on just about every run. He might have put together the authoritative film on "how NOT to play safety in the NFL."
Also, since I was at the game and didn't get a replay, were the Bears actually offside on the surprise onside kick?
P'Nut was clearly injured when he tried to jump and had not the vertical leaping ability or the desired depth of field to get there.
/Tillman Apology
Yes, Weems was over the 35 by a cunt hair according to replays. A non-call would never have raised a single eyebrow but the refs called it because of course they fucking did.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 21, 2013, 11:00:04 AM
Also, since I was at the game and didn't get a replay, were the Bears actually offside on the surprise onside kick?
Maybe. Weems' feet were clearly onside. But he was leaning forward and possibly across the plane of the 35 and the moment the ball was kicked, which Mike Pereira said is the standard by which officials are instructed to judge.
Just heard in a couple of different places that Briggs is out 4-6 weeks but won't require surgery.
Sorry no link right now. I looked. I promise.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 21, 2013, 11:41:11 AM
Just heard in a couple of different places that Briggs is out 4-6 weeks but won't require surgery.
Sorry no link right now. I looked. I promise.
Just heard the same. Can they sign Tim Shaw to replace Blake Costanzo who is going to be replacing Briggs?
There's no point in stressing over Cutler's injury at this point. If he's out for the year they should franchise him, and we can spend the rest of the fall watching DRose and hockey.
Quote from: Tony on October 21, 2013, 11:50:46 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 21, 2013, 11:41:11 AM
Just heard in a couple of different places that Briggs is out 4-6 weeks but won't require surgery.
Sorry no link right now. I looked. I promise.
Just heard the same. Can they sign Tim Shaw to replace Blake Costanzo who is going to be replacing Briggs?
There's no point in stressing over Cutler's injury at this point. If he's out for the year they should franchise him, and we can spend the rest of the fall watching DRose and hockey.
By Dan Wiederer, Tribune reporter
11:53 a.m. CDT, October 21, 2013
Chicago Bears linebacker Lance Briggs will be out 4-6 weeks because of a shoulder injury he suffered in the third quarter of Sunday's 45-41 loss at Washington, a league source confirmed Monday.
Briggs is not expected to need surgery on the shoulder but no further detail on the specifics on the injury were known.
More details to follow.
Cutler is out four weeks per the internet, television and the radio on my desk. Listening to the TrEmstink press conferences, I'm convinced that nothing is fucked here and the Bears are totally going to rip Green Bay a new asshole in two weeks.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 21, 2013, 01:45:29 PM
Cutler is out four weeks
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Quote from: Internet Apex on October 21, 2013, 01:45:29 PM
Cutler is out four weeks per the internet, television and the radio on my desk. Listening to the TrEmstink press conferences, I'm convinced that nothing is fucked here and the Bears are totally going to rip Green Bay a new asshole in two weeks.
Probably just drinking the anti-Slaky kool-aid here, but I like to think that yesterday will turn out to represent the nadir of the Trestman era.
*chest bumps Apex*
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2013, 02:36:13 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 21, 2013, 01:45:29 PM
Cutler is out four weeks per the internet, television and the radio on my desk. Listening to the TrEmstink press conferences, I'm convinced that nothing is fucked here and the Bears are totally going to rip Green Bay a new asshole in two weeks.
Probably just drinking the anti-Slaky kool-aid here, but I like to think that yesterday will turn out to represent the nadir of the Trestman era.
*chest bumps Apex*
In Slaky's defense, this team is a trainwreck, although I somehow doubt he meant "EVERY ONE WILL GET HURT OR DIE" when he said that.
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2013, 02:38:22 PM
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Quote from: Internet Apex on October 21, 2013, 01:45:29 PM
Cutler is out four weeks per the internet, television and the radio on my desk. Listening to the TrEmstink press conferences, I'm convinced that nothing is fucked here and the Bears are totally going to rip Green Bay a new asshole in two weeks.
Probably just drinking the anti-Slaky kool-aid here, but I like to think that yesterday will turn out to represent the nadir of the Trestman era.
*chest bumps Apex*
In Slaky's defense, this team is a trainwreck, although I somehow doubt he meant "EVERY ONE WILL GET HURT OR DIE" when he said that.
Yeah
now they're a trianwreck, thanks mostly to injuries but I don't think they were a trainwreck in August to the degree that would justify leaving the country for 6 weeks, returning only when it appeared that perhaps they weren't such a damn mess.
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Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2013, 02:38:22 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2013, 02:36:13 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 21, 2013, 01:45:29 PM
Cutler is out four weeks per the internet, television and the radio on my desk. Listening to the TrEmstink press conferences, I'm convinced that nothing is fucked here and the Bears are totally going to rip Green Bay a new asshole in two weeks.
Probably just drinking the anti-Slaky kool-aid here, but I like to think that yesterday will turn out to represent the nadir of the Trestman era.
*chest bumps Apex*
In Slaky's defense, this team is a trainwreck, although I somehow doubt he meant "EVERY ONE WILL GET HURT OR DIE" when he said that.
Yeah now they're a trianwreck, thanks mostly to injuries but I don't think they were a trainwreck in August to the degree that would justify leaving the country for 6 weeks, returning only when it appeared that perhaps they weren't such a damn mess.
If everyone is healthy I'd say this is an 11-5 team with a top ten offense and a bottom half defense. Where they're at now I would say 6-10 is likely.
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2013, 02:38:22 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2013, 02:36:13 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 21, 2013, 01:45:29 PM
Cutler is out four weeks per the internet, television and the radio on my desk. Listening to the TrEmstink press conferences, I'm convinced that nothing is fucked here and the Bears are totally going to rip Green Bay a new asshole in two weeks.
Probably just drinking the anti-Slaky kool-aid here, but I like to think that yesterday will turn out to represent the nadir of the Trestman era.
*chest bumps Apex*
In Slaky's defense, this team is a trainwreck, although I somehow doubt he meant "EVERY ONE WILL GET HURT OR DIE" when he said that.
That would create a lot of cap room.
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2013, 02:42:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2013, 02:38:22 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2013, 02:36:13 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 21, 2013, 01:45:29 PM
Cutler is out four weeks per the internet, television and the radio on my desk. Listening to the TrEmstink press conferences, I'm convinced that nothing is fucked here and the Bears are totally going to rip Green Bay a new asshole in two weeks.
Probably just drinking the anti-Slaky kool-aid here, but I like to think that yesterday will turn out to represent the nadir of the Trestman era.
*chest bumps Apex*
In Slaky's defense, this team is a trainwreck, although I somehow doubt he meant "EVERY ONE WILL GET HURT OR DIE" when he said that.
Yeah now they're a trianwreck, thanks mostly to injuries but I don't think they were a trainwreck in August to the degree that would justify leaving the country for 6 weeks, returning only when it appeared that perhaps they weren't such a damn mess.
It's not trainwreck if it continues to score points at this clip. The offense lost Cutler yesterday and still moved the ball in ways we've never seen from the Bears. We all talked about how old the defense was and how susceptible they were to season-altering injuries. But if Trestman is the coach he seems to be, this team has the foundation of a very good professional organization. Emery has brought in quality receivers and tight ends. He fixed the offensive line. He hired the right coach. Fix the defense? Yes please. Most of those guys are in the last year of their deals. In today's NFL you don't even need, nor can expect to build a dominant defense like the ones we grew up watching. You just need to hold an opposing team under 30 points and throw the ball all over the fucking field. Yay?
But that's not a trainwreck. The trainwreck would be that Trestman can't coach NFL offense, that he was some goofball stuck up in Canada because everybody knew he was incompetent. Or that Kyle Long couldn't play dead and none of the other signings on the O-Line panned out. If Martellus Bennett was another useless goof who other teams let go because he sucked stir-fried bunghole.
No, no, no. First year head coach. Roster in flux. Arrow pointing up. Bear the fuck down.
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Quote from: Internet Apex on October 21, 2013, 01:45:29 PM
Cutler is out four weeks per the internet, television and the radio on my desk. Listening to the TrEmstink press conferences, I'm convinced that nothing is fucked here and the Bears are totally going to rip Green Bay a new asshole in two weeks.
Probably just drinking the anti-Slaky kool-aid here, but I like to think that yesterday will turn out to represent the nadir of the Trestman era.
*chest bumps Apex*
In Slaky's defense, this team is a trainwreck, although I somehow doubt he meant "EVERY ONE WILL GET HURT OR DIE" when he said that.
That would create a lot of cap room.
I no longer think cap room is an issue. Cutler should be back either at the Tag price or for a reduced price on an extension, and then all of the defensive FAs are either leaving or have played poorly enough that Phil can pretty much dictate what price they would return at, I think. My guess is still extend Cutler/Slauson and then see if Phil can drag the defense out of the bottom of the league as quickly as he did the offense given the chance to use all of his FA $ and draft picks on that side of the ball.
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Quote from: Internet Apex on October 21, 2013, 01:45:29 PM
Cutler is out four weeks per the internet, television and the radio on my desk. Listening to the TrEmstink press conferences, I'm convinced that nothing is fucked here and the Bears are totally going to rip Green Bay a new asshole in two weeks.
Probably just drinking the anti-Slaky kool-aid here, but I like to think that yesterday will turn out to represent the nadir of the Trestman era.
*chest bumps Apex*
In Slaky's defense, this team is a trainwreck, although I somehow doubt he meant "EVERY ONE WILL GET HURT OR DIE" when he said that.
Yeah now they're a trianwreck, thanks mostly to injuries but I don't think they were a trainwreck in August to the degree that would justify leaving the country for 6 weeks, returning only when it appeared that perhaps they weren't such a damn mess.
I support this and would like all of us to begin a permanent Desipio Meme that Marc Trestman is why Slaky moved to Norway.
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Quote from: Internet Apex on October 21, 2013, 01:45:29 PM
Cutler is out four weeks per the internet, television and the radio on my desk. Listening to the TrEmstink press conferences, I'm convinced that nothing is fucked here and the Bears are totally going to rip Green Bay a new asshole in two weeks.
Probably just drinking the anti-Slaky kool-aid here, but I like to think that yesterday will turn out to represent the nadir of the Trestman era.
*chest bumps Apex*
In Slaky's defense, this team is a trainwreck, although I somehow doubt he meant "EVERY ONE WILL GET HURT OR DIE" when he said that.
Yeah now they're a trianwreck, thanks mostly to injuries but I don't think they were a trainwreck in August to the degree that would justify leaving the country for 6 weeks, returning only when it appeared that perhaps they weren't such a damn mess.
I support this and would like all of us to begin a permanent Desipio Meme that Marc Trestman is why Slaky moved to Norway.
If we are going to salvage anything from this season, let it be this.
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2013, 03:11:58 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 21, 2013, 03:09:37 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2013, 02:42:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2013, 02:38:22 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2013, 02:36:13 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 21, 2013, 01:45:29 PM
Cutler is out four weeks per the internet, television and the radio on my desk. Listening to the TrEmstink press conferences, I'm convinced that nothing is fucked here and the Bears are totally going to rip Green Bay a new asshole in two weeks.
Probably just drinking the anti-Slaky kool-aid here, but I like to think that yesterday will turn out to represent the nadir of the Trestman era.
*chest bumps Apex*
In Slaky's defense, this team is a trainwreck, although I somehow doubt he meant "EVERY ONE WILL GET HURT OR DIE" when he said that.
Yeah now they're a trianwreck, thanks mostly to injuries but I don't think they were a trainwreck in August to the degree that would justify leaving the country for 6 weeks, returning only when it appeared that perhaps they weren't such a damn mess.
I support this and would like all of us to begin a permanent Desipio Meme that Marc Trestman is why Slaky moved to Norway.
If we are going to salvage anything from this season, let it be this.
Is Trestman also the reason he moved back?
Quote from: CT III on October 21, 2013, 03:47:41 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2013, 03:11:58 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 21, 2013, 03:09:37 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2013, 02:42:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2013, 02:38:22 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2013, 02:36:13 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 21, 2013, 01:45:29 PM
Cutler is out four weeks per the internet, television and the radio on my desk. Listening to the TrEmstink press conferences, I'm convinced that nothing is fucked here and the Bears are totally going to rip Green Bay a new asshole in two weeks.
Probably just drinking the anti-Slaky kool-aid here, but I like to think that yesterday will turn out to represent the nadir of the Trestman era.
*chest bumps Apex*
In Slaky's defense, this team is a trainwreck, although I somehow doubt he meant "EVERY ONE WILL GET HURT OR DIE" when he said that.
Yeah now they're a trianwreck, thanks mostly to injuries but I don't think they were a trainwreck in August to the degree that would justify leaving the country for 6 weeks, returning only when it appeared that perhaps they weren't such a damn mess.
I support this and would like all of us to begin a permanent Desipio Meme that Marc Trestman is why Slaky moved to Norway.
If we are going to salvage anything from this season, let it be this.
Is Trestman also the reason he moved back?
No, he didn't want to miss out on the launch of the as-yet-unnamed fourth Doritos Locos Taco.
Quote from: Eli on October 21, 2013, 03:09:37 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2013, 02:42:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2013, 02:38:22 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2013, 02:36:13 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 21, 2013, 01:45:29 PM
Cutler is out four weeks per the internet, television and the radio on my desk. Listening to the TrEmstink press conferences, I'm convinced that nothing is fucked here and the Bears are totally going to rip Green Bay a new asshole in two weeks.
Probably just drinking the anti-Slaky kool-aid here, but I like to think that yesterday will turn out to represent the nadir of the Trestman era.
*chest bumps Apex*
In Slaky's defense, this team is a trainwreck, although I somehow doubt he meant "EVERY ONE WILL GET HURT OR DIE" when he said that.
Yeah now they're a trianwreck, thanks mostly to injuries but I don't think they were a trainwreck in August to the degree that would justify leaving the country for 6 weeks, returning only when it appeared that perhaps they weren't such a damn mess.
I support this and would like all of us to begin a permanent Desipio Meme that Marc Trestman is why Slaky moved to Norway.
I met a Norwegian in the visiting student program. She's very cute and her accent is nice. #coolstorysterling. Are you still over there, Slak, or did you move back?
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2013, 04:39:29 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 21, 2013, 03:47:41 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2013, 03:11:58 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 21, 2013, 03:09:37 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2013, 02:42:01 PM
Yeah now they're a trianwreck, thanks mostly to injuries but I don't think they were a trainwreck in August to the degree that would justify leaving the country for 6 weeks, returning only when it appeared that perhaps they weren't such a damn mess.
I support this and would like all of us to begin a permanent Desipio Meme that Marc Trestman is why Slaky moved to Norway.
If we are going to salvage anything from this season, let it be this.
Is Trestman also the reason he moved back?
No, he didn't want to miss out on the launch of the as-yet-unnamed fourth Doritos Locos Taco.
The Tatoey Doritos® Locos Taco Supreme? Live Más!
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 21, 2013, 08:24:18 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 21, 2013, 03:09:37 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2013, 02:42:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2013, 02:38:22 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2013, 02:36:13 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 21, 2013, 01:45:29 PM
Cutler is out four weeks per the internet, television and the radio on my desk. Listening to the TrEmstink press conferences, I'm convinced that nothing is fucked here and the Bears are totally going to rip Green Bay a new asshole in two weeks.
Probably just drinking the anti-Slaky kool-aid here, but I like to think that yesterday will turn out to represent the nadir of the Trestman era.
*chest bumps Apex*
In Slaky's defense, this team is a trainwreck, although I somehow doubt he meant "EVERY ONE WILL GET HURT OR DIE" when he said that.
Yeah now they're a trianwreck, thanks mostly to injuries but I don't think they were a trainwreck in August to the degree that would justify leaving the country for 6 weeks, returning only when it appeared that perhaps they weren't such a damn mess.
I support this and would like all of us to begin a permanent Desipio Meme that Marc Trestman is why Slaky moved to Norway.
I met a Norwegian in the visiting student program. She's very cute and her accent is nice. #coolstorysterling. Are you still over there, Slak, or did you move back?
I'm back.
I have to admit I was encouraged by the offense on Sunday. The defense is in flux but that's what happens when you rely on old, fat guys to be the core. They're hurt and then they're out and you're left with..that.
I really love Emery's decision not to extend anyone. At this point get everyone the fuck out of here and start over.
Quote from: Slaky on October 21, 2013, 09:35:11 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 21, 2013, 08:24:18 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 21, 2013, 03:09:37 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2013, 02:42:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2013, 02:38:22 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2013, 02:36:13 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 21, 2013, 01:45:29 PM
Cutler is out four weeks per the internet, television and the radio on my desk. Listening to the TrEmstink press conferences, I'm convinced that nothing is fucked here and the Bears are totally going to rip Green Bay a new asshole in two weeks.
Probably just drinking the anti-Slaky kool-aid here, but I like to think that yesterday will turn out to represent the nadir of the Trestman era.
*chest bumps Apex*
In Slaky's defense, this team is a trainwreck, although I somehow doubt he meant "EVERY ONE WILL GET HURT OR DIE" when he said that.
Yeah now they're a trianwreck, thanks mostly to injuries but I don't think they were a trainwreck in August to the degree that would justify leaving the country for 6 weeks, returning only when it appeared that perhaps they weren't such a damn mess.
I support this and would like all of us to begin a permanent Desipio Meme that Marc Trestman is why Slaky moved to Norway.
I met a Norwegian in the visiting student program. She's very cute and her accent is nice. #coolstorysterling. Are you still over there, Slak, or did you move back?
I'm back.
I have to admit I was encouraged by the offense on Sunday. The defense is in flux but that's what happens when you rely on old, fat guys to be the core. They're hurt and then they're out and you're left with..that.
I really love Emery's decision not to extend anyone. At this point get everyone the fuck out of here and start over.
Agreed. To me this season is a success as long as the offense plays respectably in Cutler's absence and hopefully he at least comes back to add a few more good games to his resume. If Trestman and Emery can fix a historically inept unit in one offseason I don't see any reason they can't patch together a workable defense next year and actually contend. The Saints and Titans were two of the worst defenses in football last year and got turned around quickly with not that many changes.
Quote from: SKO on October 22, 2013, 08:48:25 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 21, 2013, 09:35:11 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 21, 2013, 08:24:18 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 21, 2013, 03:09:37 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2013, 02:42:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2013, 02:38:22 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2013, 02:36:13 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 21, 2013, 01:45:29 PM
Cutler is out four weeks per the internet, television and the radio on my desk. Listening to the TrEmstink press conferences, I'm convinced that nothing is fucked here and the Bears are totally going to rip Green Bay a new asshole in two weeks.
Probably just drinking the anti-Slaky kool-aid here, but I like to think that yesterday will turn out to represent the nadir of the Trestman era.
*chest bumps Apex*
In Slaky's defense, this team is a trainwreck, although I somehow doubt he meant "EVERY ONE WILL GET HURT OR DIE" when he said that.
Yeah now they're a trianwreck, thanks mostly to injuries but I don't think they were a trainwreck in August to the degree that would justify leaving the country for 6 weeks, returning only when it appeared that perhaps they weren't such a damn mess.
I support this and would like all of us to begin a permanent Desipio Meme that Marc Trestman is why Slaky moved to Norway.
I met a Norwegian in the visiting student program. She's very cute and her accent is nice. #coolstorysterling. Are you still over there, Slak, or did you move back?
I'm back.
I have to admit I was encouraged by the offense on Sunday. The defense is in flux but that's what happens when you rely on old, fat guys to be the core. They're hurt and then they're out and you're left with..that.
I really love Emery's decision not to extend anyone. At this point get everyone the fuck out of here and start over.
Agreed. To me this season is a success as long as the offense plays respectably in Cutler's absence and hopefully he at least comes back to add a few more good games to his resume. If Trestman and Emery can fix a historically inept unit in one offseason I don't see any reason they can't patch together a workable defense next year and actually contend. The Saints and Titans were two of the worst defenses in football last year and got turned around quickly with not that many changes.
I'll add the Colts to that mix of teams that have developed competent defenses seemingly out of nowhere. I don't agree with all of Grigson's methodology - if only because he's going against the grain a little too much. But he's Purdue educated so he must be smart and that team is a title contender right now if they keep Luck healthy.
Am I correct in believing that back seven defensive players have become appendages, easily replaceable and unworthy of large investments like running backs? Or are teams like Seattle and KC showing that those guys are the key to winning defensive football? I still like the front four (or five if you're that way inclined) as the basis of everything.
1. QB
2. DL
3. LT
4. WR
5. Guys
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 22, 2013, 09:38:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 22, 2013, 08:48:25 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 21, 2013, 09:35:11 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 21, 2013, 08:24:18 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 21, 2013, 03:09:37 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2013, 02:42:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 21, 2013, 02:38:22 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 21, 2013, 02:36:13 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 21, 2013, 01:45:29 PM
Cutler is out four weeks per the internet, television and the radio on my desk. Listening to the TrEmstink press conferences, I'm convinced that nothing is fucked here and the Bears are totally going to rip Green Bay a new asshole in two weeks.
Probably just drinking the anti-Slaky kool-aid here, but I like to think that yesterday will turn out to represent the nadir of the Trestman era.
*chest bumps Apex*
In Slaky's defense, this team is a trainwreck, although I somehow doubt he meant "EVERY ONE WILL GET HURT OR DIE" when he said that.
Yeah now they're a trianwreck, thanks mostly to injuries but I don't think they were a trainwreck in August to the degree that would justify leaving the country for 6 weeks, returning only when it appeared that perhaps they weren't such a damn mess.
I support this and would like all of us to begin a permanent Desipio Meme that Marc Trestman is why Slaky moved to Norway.
I met a Norwegian in the visiting student program. She's very cute and her accent is nice. #coolstorysterling. Are you still over there, Slak, or did you move back?
I'm back.
I have to admit I was encouraged by the offense on Sunday. The defense is in flux but that's what happens when you rely on old, fat guys to be the core. They're hurt and then they're out and you're left with..that.
I really love Emery's decision not to extend anyone. At this point get everyone the fuck out of here and start over.
Agreed. To me this season is a success as long as the offense plays respectably in Cutler's absence and hopefully he at least comes back to add a few more good games to his resume. If Trestman and Emery can fix a historically inept unit in one offseason I don't see any reason they can't patch together a workable defense next year and actually contend. The Saints and Titans were two of the worst defenses in football last year and got turned around quickly with not that many changes.
I'll add the Colts to that mix of teams that have developed competent defenses seemingly out of nowhere. I don't agree with all of Grigson's methodology - if only because he's going against the grain a little too much. But he's Purdue educated so he must be smart and that team is a title contender right now if they keep Luck healthy.
Am I correct in believing that back seven defensive players have become appendages, easily replaceable and unworthy of large investments like running backs? Or are teams like Seattle and KC showing that those guys are the key to winning defensive football? I still like the front four (or five if you're that way inclined) as the basis of everything.
1. QB
2. DL
3. LT
4. WR
5. Guys
I'm not even sure the tackles are that important. Jordan Mills has been awful since week 2 and Bushrod's been mediocre at best, and the pass protection has still been fine becuase the interior has been a wall in terms of setting the pocket. With quick passing being the basis of most successful offenses and with tight ends and backs being able to help tackles, I think the emphasis on LTs is overrated. Trestman and Kromer seem to get that.
I would say LB's are largely replaceable at this point, but corners and the DL are more important than ever.
Quote from: SKO on October 22, 2013, 10:07:31 AM
With quick passing being the basis of most successful offenses and with tight ends and backs being able to help tackles, I think the emphasis on LTs is overrated. Trestman and Kromer seem to get that.
Isn't the Saints' philosophy to build the o-line from the inside out? I feel like I read that somewhere. Given that Kromer is here now, it seems like that would carry through.
Quote from: Eli on October 22, 2013, 10:24:41 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 22, 2013, 10:07:31 AM
With quick passing being the basis of most successful offenses and with tight ends and backs being able to help tackles, I think the emphasis on LTs is overrated. Trestman and Kromer seem to get that.
Isn't the Saints' philosophy to build the o-line from the inside out? I feel like I read that somewhere. Given that Kromer is here now, it seems like that would carry through.
I mentioned it a blogpost once before the year. I'm going to pretend that's where you saw it. But yeah, basically. Kromer said that in response to people asking why they wouldn't try Long at RT if they thought he was so athletically gifted.
Quote from: SKO on October 22, 2013, 10:30:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 22, 2013, 10:24:41 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 22, 2013, 10:07:31 AM
With quick passing being the basis of most successful offenses and with tight ends and backs being able to help tackles, I think the emphasis on LTs is overrated. Trestman and Kromer seem to get that.
Isn't the Saints' philosophy to build the o-line from the inside out? I feel like I read that somewhere. Given that Kromer is here now, it seems like that would carry through.
I mentioned it a blogpost once before the year. I'm going to pretend that's where you saw it. But yeah, basically. Kromer said that in response to people asking why they wouldn't try Long at RT if they thought he was so athletically gifted.
I hope Hub keeps saying that they're playing Long out of position. That would be neat.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 22, 2013, 10:32:14 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 22, 2013, 10:30:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 22, 2013, 10:24:41 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 22, 2013, 10:07:31 AM
With quick passing being the basis of most successful offenses and with tight ends and backs being able to help tackles, I think the emphasis on LTs is overrated. Trestman and Kromer seem to get that.
Isn't the Saints' philosophy to build the o-line from the inside out? I feel like I read that somewhere. Given that Kromer is here now, it seems like that would carry through.
I mentioned it a blogpost once before the year. I'm going to pretend that's where you saw it. But yeah, basically. Kromer said that in response to people asking why they wouldn't try Long at RT if they thought he was so athletically gifted.
I hope Hub keeps saying that they're playing Long out of position. That would be neat.
Not me. I'd prefer he not say anything or just keep it confined to his avoidable website.
Speaking of ... what's it like to hitch your professional wagon to HubArkush.com? How does one feel when his bio reads "Writer for HubArkush.com?" These are questions.
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When's the great Bears blog merger, SKO?
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 22, 2013, 10:32:14 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 22, 2013, 10:30:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 22, 2013, 10:24:41 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 22, 2013, 10:07:31 AM
With quick passing being the basis of most successful offenses and with tight ends and backs being able to help tackles, I think the emphasis on LTs is overrated. Trestman and Kromer seem to get that.
Isn't the Saints' philosophy to build the o-line from the inside out? I feel like I read that somewhere. Given that Kromer is here now, it seems like that would carry through.
I mentioned it a blogpost once before the year. I'm going to pretend that's where you saw it. But yeah, basically. Kromer said that in response to people asking why they wouldn't try Long at RT if they thought he was so athletically gifted.
I hope Hub keeps saying that they're playing Long out of position. That would be neat.
Well he's been doing well so far in the position of "guy who kills hapless linebacker on a pulling block". I hope he stays there.
The Bears ran several packaged plays this Sunday, one of which led to the Forte 50 YD TD run and another that led to the Marty B TD, I believe. It's a shame the defense sucks, but the guy running the offense sure knows what the fuck he's doing. It's amazing to see this team led by an offensive innovator rather than a reactionary.
Quote from: SKO on October 22, 2013, 02:25:58 PM
The Bears ran several packaged plays this Sunday, one of which led to the Forte 50 YD TD run and another that led to the Marty B TD, I believe. It's a shame the defense sucks, but the guy running the offense sure knows what the fuck he's doing. It's amazing to see this team led by an offensive innovator rather than a reactionary.
Remember what it was like to have that on special teams, too?
DAVE TOUB, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN US?
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 22, 2013, 02:34:44 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 22, 2013, 02:25:58 PM
The Bears ran several packaged plays this Sunday, one of which led to the Forte 50 YD TD run and another that led to the Marty B TD, I believe. It's a shame the defense sucks, but the guy running the offense sure knows what the fuck he's doing. It's amazing to see this team led by an offensive innovator rather than a reactionary.
Remember what it was like to have that on special teams, too?
DAVE TOUB, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN US?
I like Joe DeCamarinelli or whatever his name is. I don't really blame him for the coverage fuckups because they've got backups to the backups in their STs now, too, and I think the surprise onside was a good call, and they've set up some great Hester returns so far.
The sads: http://t.co/EUOZoa4vbX
Quote from: SKO on October 22, 2013, 02:40:07 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 22, 2013, 02:34:44 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 22, 2013, 02:25:58 PM
The Bears ran several packaged plays this Sunday, one of which led to the Forte 50 YD TD run and another that led to the Marty B TD, I believe. It's a shame the defense sucks, but the guy running the offense sure knows what the fuck he's doing. It's amazing to see this team led by an offensive innovator rather than a reactionary.
Remember what it was like to have that on special teams, too?
DAVE TOUB, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN US?
I like Joe DeCamarinelli or whatever his name is. I don't really blame him for the coverage fuckups because they've got backups to the backups in their STs now, too, and I think the surprise onside was a good call, and they've set up some great Hester returns so far.
Who made the call on the Music City Miracle play Sunday?
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 22, 2013, 04:18:13 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 22, 2013, 02:40:07 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 22, 2013, 02:34:44 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 22, 2013, 02:25:58 PM
The Bears ran several packaged plays this Sunday, one of which led to the Forte 50 YD TD run and another that led to the Marty B TD, I believe. It's a shame the defense sucks, but the guy running the offense sure knows what the fuck he's doing. It's amazing to see this team led by an offensive innovator rather than a reactionary.
Remember what it was like to have that on special teams, too?
DAVE TOUB, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN US?
I like Joe DeCamarinelli or whatever his name is. I don't really blame him for the coverage fuckups because they've got backups to the backups in their STs now, too, and I think the surprise onside was a good call, and they've set up some great Hester returns so far.
Who made the call on the Music City Miracle play Sunday?
Yeah that one I didn't like. Burned like 15 seconds they could have used for an extra play against a really shitty defense.
Quote from: SKO on October 22, 2013, 04:21:26 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 22, 2013, 04:18:13 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 22, 2013, 02:40:07 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 22, 2013, 02:34:44 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 22, 2013, 02:25:58 PM
The Bears ran several packaged plays this Sunday, one of which led to the Forte 50 YD TD run and another that led to the Marty B TD, I believe. It's a shame the defense sucks, but the guy running the offense sure knows what the fuck he's doing. It's amazing to see this team led by an offensive innovator rather than a reactionary.
Remember what it was like to have that on special teams, too?
DAVE TOUB, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN US?
I like Joe DeCamarinelli or whatever his name is. I don't really blame him for the coverage fuckups because they've got backups to the backups in their STs now, too, and I think the surprise onside was a good call, and they've set up some great Hester returns so far.
Who made the call on the Music City Miracle play Sunday?
Yeah that one I didn't like. Burned like 15 seconds they could have used for an extra play against a really shitty defense.
Also: did someone forget to tell Hester that the play was off if Washington squibbed the ball to one of the up-backs like they did on nearly every other kickoff that day?
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 22, 2013, 04:35:04 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 22, 2013, 04:21:26 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 22, 2013, 04:18:13 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 22, 2013, 02:40:07 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 22, 2013, 02:34:44 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 22, 2013, 02:25:58 PM
The Bears ran several packaged plays this Sunday, one of which led to the Forte 50 YD TD run and another that led to the Marty B TD, I believe. It's a shame the defense sucks, but the guy running the offense sure knows what the fuck he's doing. It's amazing to see this team led by an offensive innovator rather than a reactionary.
Remember what it was like to have that on special teams, too?
DAVE TOUB, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN US?
I like Joe DeCamarinelli or whatever his name is. I don't really blame him for the coverage fuckups because they've got backups to the backups in their STs now, too, and I think the surprise onside was a good call, and they've set up some great Hester returns so far.
Who made the call on the Music City Miracle play Sunday?
Yeah that one I didn't like. Burned like 15 seconds they could have used for an extra play against a really shitty defense.
Also: did someone forget to tell Hester that the play was off if Washington squibbed the ball to one of the up-backs like they did on nearly every other kickoff that day?
That play almost worked. I don't really have a problem with it. One more broken tackle and that could have been six.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 22, 2013, 04:55:20 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 22, 2013, 04:35:04 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 22, 2013, 04:21:26 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 22, 2013, 04:18:13 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 22, 2013, 02:40:07 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 22, 2013, 02:34:44 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 22, 2013, 02:25:58 PM
The Bears ran several packaged plays this Sunday, one of which led to the Forte 50 YD TD run and another that led to the Marty B TD, I believe. It's a shame the defense sucks, but the guy running the offense sure knows what the fuck he's doing. It's amazing to see this team led by an offensive innovator rather than a reactionary.
Remember what it was like to have that on special teams, too?
DAVE TOUB, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN US?
I like Joe DeCamarinelli or whatever his name is. I don't really blame him for the coverage fuckups because they've got backups to the backups in their STs now, too, and I think the surprise onside was a good call, and they've set up some great Hester returns so far.
Who made the call on the Music City Miracle play Sunday?
Yeah that one I didn't like. Burned like 15 seconds they could have used for an extra play against a really shitty defense.
Also: did someone forget to tell Hester that the play was off if Washington squibbed the ball to one of the up-backs like they did on nearly every other kickoff that day?
That play almost worked. I don't really have a problem with it. One more broken tackle and that could have been six.
And it almost went disastrously wrong.
It certainly wasn't the worst thing that happened on that field. But it was a pretty risky play call against a team with a shit defense.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 22, 2013, 04:55:20 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 22, 2013, 04:35:04 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 22, 2013, 04:21:26 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 22, 2013, 04:18:13 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 22, 2013, 02:40:07 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 22, 2013, 02:34:44 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 22, 2013, 02:25:58 PM
The Bears ran several packaged plays this Sunday, one of which led to the Forte 50 YD TD run and another that led to the Marty B TD, I believe. It's a shame the defense sucks, but the guy running the offense sure knows what the fuck he's doing. It's amazing to see this team led by an offensive innovator rather than a reactionary.
Remember what it was like to have that on special teams, too?
DAVE TOUB, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN US?
I like Joe DeCamarinelli or whatever his name is. I don't really blame him for the coverage fuckups because they've got backups to the backups in their STs now, too, and I think the surprise onside was a good call, and they've set up some great Hester returns so far.
Who made the call on the Music City Miracle play Sunday?
Yeah that one I didn't like. Burned like 15 seconds they could have used for an extra play against a really shitty defense.
Also: did someone forget to tell Hester that the play was off if Washington squibbed the ball to one of the up-backs like they did on nearly every other kickoff that day?
That play almost worked. I don't really have a problem with it. One more broken tackle and that could have been six.
I agree with this - even a shitty defense is going to stop a team from going 70 - 80 yards in less than a minute with no way to stop a clock. Even if it didn't go the distance, it almost got good enough field position to make pot shots at the end zone viable.
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The Bears ran several packaged plays this Sunday, one of which led to the Forte 50 YD TD run and another that led to the Marty B TD, I believe. It's a shame the defense sucks, but the guy running the offense sure knows what the fuck he's doing. It's amazing to see this team led by an offensive innovator rather than a reactionary.
Remember what it was like to have that on special teams, too?
DAVE TOUB, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN US?
I like Joe DeCamarinelli or whatever his name is. I don't really blame him for the coverage fuckups because they've got backups to the backups in their STs now, too, and I think the surprise onside was a good call, and they've set up some great Hester returns so far.
Who made the call on the Music City Miracle play Sunday?
Yeah that one I didn't like. Burned like 15 seconds they could have used for an extra play against a really shitty defense.
Also: did someone forget to tell Hester that the play was off if Washington squibbed the ball to one of the up-backs like they did on nearly every other kickoff that day?
That play almost worked. I don't really have a problem with it. One more broken tackle and that could have been six.
I agree with this - even a shitty defense is going to stop a team from going 70 - 80 yards in less than a minute with no way to stop a clock. Even if it didn't go the distance, it almost got good enough field position to make pot shots at the end zone viable.
That Washington kick coverage unit is the worst in professional football including the Canadian Football League. You can talk about going after their shitty defense with one timeout and a quarterback who hasn't taken a single snap of two-minute offense since Christ was in Chicago if you want to. But I support trying for a home run on special teams there, especially with the Skins so worried about Devin. They traded that Hail Mary for the one McCown never got to throw after the game-ending sack.
Can we firebarn Major Wright? If this run defense weren't horrible, this is probably a 2TD game right now.
JOSH MCCOWN > MIKE TOMCZAK!!!!
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 04, 2013, 09:23:13 PM
Can we firebarn Major Wright Wrong? If this run defense weren't horrible, this is probably a 2TD game right now.
I'll be open to any sort of activity that leads to this goof and his counterpart leaving the team forever once the season is over and Craig Steltz can no longer threaten every football sensibility I've ever possessed.
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JOSH MCCOWN > MIKE TOMCZAK!!!!
DAT ANGELO NEVER SHOULD OF TRADED MCCOWN WHEN HE WAS A BEAR THE FIRST TIME. I KNOW SHEA N. MATTHEW AND JIMMY LER WERE TO OF THE GRATEST CUBE BEES IN HISTORY, BUT MCCOWN SHOWED HE IS A CHAMPION WIT THE HEART OF PAPA BEAR.
Was there a game today?
I admit it...I'm not completely dismissing the idea of
- letting Cutler walk after this year and instead spending the franchise QB money to upgrade the defense
- drafting a QB
- letting (gulp) McCown start at least a portion of next season until Scheelhaase is ready to play
I don't like that I'm thinking it, but I'm thinking it.
Quote from: R-V on November 11, 2013, 12:05:28 PM
I admit it...I'm not completely dismissing the idea of
- letting Cutler walk after this year and instead spending the franchise QB money to upgrade the defense
- drafting a QB
- letting (gulp) McCown start at least a portion of next season until Scheelhaase is ready to play
I don't like that I'm thinking it, but I'm thinking it.
I admit it, what I know about football and fifteen quid wouldn't get my hair cut, but this seems like a reasonable idea to me.
Quote from: R-V on November 11, 2013, 12:05:28 PM
letting (gulp) McCown start at least a portion of next season until Scheelhaase is ready to play
Trading up in the draft to secure him?
Quote from: R-V on November 11, 2013, 12:05:28 PM
I admit it...I'm not completely dismissing the idea of
- letting Cutler walk after this year and instead spending the franchise QB money to upgrade the defense
- drafting a QB
- letting (gulp) McCown start at least a portion of next season until Scheelhaase is ready to play
I don't like that I'm thinking it, but I'm thinking it.
Why not save the Scheelhaase money and sign Juice Williams for cheap? I'm sure he's available.
Quote from: R-V on November 11, 2013, 12:05:28 PM
I admit it...I'm not completely dismissing the idea of
- letting Cutler walk after this year and instead spending the franchise QB money to upgrade the defense
- drafting a QB
- letting (gulp) McCown start at least a portion of next season until Scheelhaase is ready to play
I don't like that I'm thinking it, but I'm thinking it.
The cap next year will be about $120 Million. The Bears currently have about $80 million committed for 2014, and that's including paying Peppers $18 million if they keep him (not likely) vs. $8 million if they cut him. So looking at about $50+ million in cap room, I'm not really worried about them paying Cutler. I'd probably franchise tag him at this point, and you can bring back McCown for cheap. Dude is 34 and has never had any kind of success anywhere except in Trestman's offense. He'll be cheap to backup Jay or start Jay if you want the meatballs to win the revolution or whatever.
I still think your best chance as a serious contender in 2014 is keeping Cutler at QB and keeping the rest of that offense (sans Garza, natch) together next year and using your FA money and your draft picks to re-tool on defense.
Quote from: SKO on November 11, 2013, 12:55:16 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 11, 2013, 12:05:28 PM
I admit it...I'm not completely dismissing the idea of
- letting Cutler walk after this year and instead spending the franchise QB money to upgrade the defense
- drafting a QB
- letting (gulp) McCown start at least a portion of next season until Scheelhaase is ready to play
I don't like that I'm thinking it, but I'm thinking it.
The cap next year will be about $120 Million. The Bears currently have about $80 million committed for 2014, and that's including paying Peppers $18 million if they keep him (not likely) vs. $8 million if they cut him. So looking at about $50+ million in cap room, I'm not really worried about them paying Cutler. I'd probably franchise tag him at this point, and you can bring back McCown for cheap. Dude is 34 and has never had any kind of success anywhere except in Trestman's offense. He'll be cheap to backup Jay or start Jay if you want the meatballs to win the revolution or whatever.
I still think your best chance as a serious contender in 2014 is keeping Cutler at QB and keeping the rest of that offense (sans Garza, natch) together next year and using your FA money and your draft picks to re-tool on defense.
Plus I'd rather overpay for a quarterback, where you'll often find effective starters into their late 30s, as opposed to giving more big money deals to top defensive free agents, who are likely to age faster and be less effective later in their deals.
Quote from: SKO on November 11, 2013, 12:57:22 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 11, 2013, 12:55:16 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 11, 2013, 12:05:28 PM
I admit it...I'm not completely dismissing the idea of
- letting Cutler walk after this year and instead spending the franchise QB money to upgrade the defense
- drafting a QB
- letting (gulp) McCown start at least a portion of next season until Scheelhaase is ready to play
I don't like that I'm thinking it, but I'm thinking it.
The cap next year will be about $120 Million. The Bears currently have about $80 million committed for 2014, and that's including paying Peppers $18 million if they keep him (not likely) vs. $8 million if they cut him. So looking at about $50+ million in cap room, I'm not really worried about them paying Cutler. I'd probably franchise tag him at this point, and you can bring back McCown for cheap. Dude is 34 and has never had any kind of success anywhere except in Trestman's offense. He'll be cheap to backup Jay or start Jay if you want the meatballs to win the revolution or whatever.
I still think your best chance as a serious contender in 2014 is keeping Cutler at QB and keeping the rest of that offense (sans Garza, natch) together next year and using your FA money and your draft picks to re-tool on defense.
Plus I'd rather overpay for a quarterback, where you'll often find effective starters into their late 30s, as opposed to giving more big money deals to top defensive free agents, who are likely to age faster and be less effective later in their deals.
All good points. Garza definitely needs to be replaced, and I wouldn't have a sad if they found a veteran upgrade from Mills. Given how much Kromer/Trestman value a strong interior line vs. stud tackles, center should be the priority, and Mills has been respectable, but definitely a spot where they can improve. I didn't realize how much cap room they were going to have...now I've got a chub to see what Emery can do in the free agent market with all that cash.
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Quote from: R-V on November 11, 2013, 12:05:28 PM
I admit it...I'm not completely dismissing the idea of
- letting Cutler walk after this year and instead spending the franchise QB money to upgrade the defense
- drafting a QB
- letting (gulp) McCown start at least a portion of next season until Scheelhaase is ready to play
I don't like that I'm thinking it, but I'm thinking it.
The cap next year will be about $120 Million. The Bears currently have about $80 million committed for 2014, and that's including paying Peppers $18 million if they keep him (not likely) vs. $8 million if they cut him. So looking at about $50+ million in cap room, I'm not really worried about them paying Cutler. I'd probably franchise tag him at this point, and you can bring back McCown for cheap. Dude is 34 and has never had any kind of success anywhere except in Trestman's offense. He'll be cheap to backup Jay or start Jay if you want the meatballs to win the revolution or whatever.
I still think your best chance as a serious contender in 2014 is keeping Cutler at QB and keeping the rest of that offense (sans Garza, natch) together next year and using your FA money and your draft picks to re-tool on defense.
Plus I'd rather overpay for a quarterback, where you'll often find effective starters into their late 30s, as opposed to giving more big money deals to top defensive free agents, who are likely to age faster and be less effective later in their deals.
All good points. Garza definitely needs to be replaced, and I wouldn't have a sad if they found a veteran upgrade from Mills. Given how much Kromer/Trestman value a strong interior line vs. stud tackles, center should be the priority, and Mills has been respectable, but definitely a spot where they can improve. I didn't realize how much cap room they were going to have...now I've got a chub to see what Emery can do in the free agent market with all that cash.
Who are the other prime candidates for the franchise tag?
Quote from: PenFoe on November 11, 2013, 01:20:23 PM
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Quote from: R-V on November 11, 2013, 12:05:28 PM
I admit it...I'm not completely dismissing the idea of
- letting Cutler walk after this year and instead spending the franchise QB money to upgrade the defense
- drafting a QB
- letting (gulp) McCown start at least a portion of next season until Scheelhaase is ready to play
I don't like that I'm thinking it, but I'm thinking it.
The cap next year will be about $120 Million. The Bears currently have about $80 million committed for 2014, and that's including paying Peppers $18 million if they keep him (not likely) vs. $8 million if they cut him. So looking at about $50+ million in cap room, I'm not really worried about them paying Cutler. I'd probably franchise tag him at this point, and you can bring back McCown for cheap. Dude is 34 and has never had any kind of success anywhere except in Trestman's offense. He'll be cheap to backup Jay or start Jay if you want the meatballs to win the revolution or whatever.
I still think your best chance as a serious contender in 2014 is keeping Cutler at QB and keeping the rest of that offense (sans Garza, natch) together next year and using your FA money and your draft picks to re-tool on defense.
Plus I'd rather overpay for a quarterback, where you'll often find effective starters into their late 30s, as opposed to giving more big money deals to top defensive free agents, who are likely to age faster and be less effective later in their deals.
All good points. Garza definitely needs to be replaced, and I wouldn't have a sad if they found a veteran upgrade from Mills. Given how much Kromer/Trestman value a strong interior line vs. stud tackles, center should be the priority, and Mills has been respectable, but definitely a spot where they can improve. I didn't realize how much cap room they were going to have...now I've got a chub to see what Emery can do in the free agent market with all that cash.
Who are the other prime candidates for the franchise tag?
Robbie Gould.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 11, 2013, 01:20:23 PM
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Quote from: R-V on November 11, 2013, 12:05:28 PM
I admit it...I'm not completely dismissing the idea of
- letting Cutler walk after this year and instead spending the franchise QB money to upgrade the defense
- drafting a QB
- letting (gulp) McCown start at least a portion of next season until Scheelhaase is ready to play
I don't like that I'm thinking it, but I'm thinking it.
The cap next year will be about $120 Million. The Bears currently have about $80 million committed for 2014, and that's including paying Peppers $18 million if they keep him (not likely) vs. $8 million if they cut him. So looking at about $50+ million in cap room, I'm not really worried about them paying Cutler. I'd probably franchise tag him at this point, and you can bring back McCown for cheap. Dude is 34 and has never had any kind of success anywhere except in Trestman's offense. He'll be cheap to backup Jay or start Jay if you want the meatballs to win the revolution or whatever.
I still think your best chance as a serious contender in 2014 is keeping Cutler at QB and keeping the rest of that offense (sans Garza, natch) together next year and using your FA money and your draft picks to re-tool on defense.
Plus I'd rather overpay for a quarterback, where you'll often find effective starters into their late 30s, as opposed to giving more big money deals to top defensive free agents, who are likely to age faster and be less effective later in their deals.
All good points. Garza definitely needs to be replaced, and I wouldn't have a sad if they found a veteran upgrade from Mills. Given how much Kromer/Trestman value a strong interior line vs. stud tackles, center should be the priority, and Mills has been respectable, but definitely a spot where they can improve. I didn't realize how much cap room they were going to have...now I've got a chub to see what Emery can do in the free agent market with all that cash.
Who are the other prime candidates for the franchise tag?
Fucking nobody. Tillman? On IR for the rest of the year after a weak campaign. Melton? Not a chance. There is no reason not to just tag Cutler. They've got the space to do it and I can't imagine Emery wanting to waste a top half draft pick on a position that they've gotten perfectly good production from this year.
Quote from: R-V on November 11, 2013, 01:16:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 11, 2013, 12:57:22 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 11, 2013, 12:55:16 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 11, 2013, 12:05:28 PM
I admit it...I'm not completely dismissing the idea of
- letting Cutler walk after this year and instead spending the franchise QB money to upgrade the defense
- drafting a QB
- letting (gulp) McCown start at least a portion of next season until Scheelhaase is ready to play
I don't like that I'm thinking it, but I'm thinking it.
The cap next year will be about $120 Million. The Bears currently have about $80 million committed for 2014, and that's including paying Peppers $18 million if they keep him (not likely) vs. $8 million if they cut him. So looking at about $50+ million in cap room, I'm not really worried about them paying Cutler. I'd probably franchise tag him at this point, and you can bring back McCown for cheap. Dude is 34 and has never had any kind of success anywhere except in Trestman's offense. He'll be cheap to backup Jay or start Jay if you want the meatballs to win the revolution or whatever.
I still think your best chance as a serious contender in 2014 is keeping Cutler at QB and keeping the rest of that offense (sans Garza, natch) together next year and using your FA money and your draft picks to re-tool on defense.
Plus I'd rather overpay for a quarterback, where you'll often find effective starters into their late 30s, as opposed to giving more big money deals to top defensive free agents, who are likely to age faster and be less effective later in their deals.
All good points. Garza definitely needs to be replaced, and I wouldn't have a sad if they found a veteran upgrade from Mills. Given how much Kromer/Trestman value a strong interior line vs. stud tackles, center should be the priority, and Mills has been respectable, but definitely a spot where they can improve. I didn't realize how much cap room they were going to have...now I've got a chub to see what Emery can do in the free agent market with all that cash.
That's why I've kind of felt this year was more or less a punt. Now it just so happens that the division has gone up for grabs with the Green Bay injury situation and Detroit is still Detroit. The Bears still have a shot at this thing and that's great. But they've obviously been stung by injuries as well.
I still like Emery making these guys play to stay. Much like Lovie Smith's defensive philosophy, I welcome lots of turnover on the Bears defense this offseason.
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Quote from: SKO on November 11, 2013, 12:55:16 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 11, 2013, 12:05:28 PM
I admit it...I'm not completely dismissing the idea of
- letting Cutler walk after this year and instead spending the franchise QB money to upgrade the defense
- drafting a QB
- letting (gulp) McCown start at least a portion of next season until Scheelhaase is ready to play
I don't like that I'm thinking it, but I'm thinking it.
The cap next year will be about $120 Million. The Bears currently have about $80 million committed for 2014, and that's including paying Peppers $18 million if they keep him (not likely) vs. $8 million if they cut him. So looking at about $50+ million in cap room, I'm not really worried about them paying Cutler. I'd probably franchise tag him at this point, and you can bring back McCown for cheap. Dude is 34 and has never had any kind of success anywhere except in Trestman's offense. He'll be cheap to backup Jay or start Jay if you want the meatballs to win the revolution or whatever.
I still think your best chance as a serious contender in 2014 is keeping Cutler at QB and keeping the rest of that offense (sans Garza, natch) together next year and using your FA money and your draft picks to re-tool on defense.
Plus I'd rather overpay for a quarterback, where you'll often find effective starters into their late 30s, as opposed to giving more big money deals to top defensive free agents, who are likely to age faster and be less effective later in their deals.
All good points. Garza definitely needs to be replaced, and I wouldn't have a sad if they found a veteran upgrade from Mills. Given how much Kromer/Trestman value a strong interior line vs. stud tackles, center should be the priority, and Mills has been respectable, but definitely a spot where they can improve. I didn't realize how much cap room they were going to have...now I've got a chub to see what Emery can do in the free agent market with all that cash.
Who are the other prime candidates for the franchise tag?
Robbie Gould.
If he doesn't get franchise type money his kids are going to be stuck eating gruel (http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/07/25/gould-i-have-a-chip-on-my-shoulder/).
Quote from: SKO on November 11, 2013, 01:23:08 PM
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Quote from: SKO on November 11, 2013, 12:55:16 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 11, 2013, 12:05:28 PM
I admit it...I'm not completely dismissing the idea of
- letting Cutler walk after this year and instead spending the franchise QB money to upgrade the defense
- drafting a QB
- letting (gulp) McCown start at least a portion of next season until Scheelhaase is ready to play
I don't like that I'm thinking it, but I'm thinking it.
The cap next year will be about $120 Million. The Bears currently have about $80 million committed for 2014, and that's including paying Peppers $18 million if they keep him (not likely) vs. $8 million if they cut him. So looking at about $50+ million in cap room, I'm not really worried about them paying Cutler. I'd probably franchise tag him at this point, and you can bring back McCown for cheap. Dude is 34 and has never had any kind of success anywhere except in Trestman's offense. He'll be cheap to backup Jay or start Jay if you want the meatballs to win the revolution or whatever.
I still think your best chance as a serious contender in 2014 is keeping Cutler at QB and keeping the rest of that offense (sans Garza, natch) together next year and using your FA money and your draft picks to re-tool on defense.
Plus I'd rather overpay for a quarterback, where you'll often find effective starters into their late 30s, as opposed to giving more big money deals to top defensive free agents, who are likely to age faster and be less effective later in their deals.
All good points. Garza definitely needs to be replaced, and I wouldn't have a sad if they found a veteran upgrade from Mills. Given how much Kromer/Trestman value a strong interior line vs. stud tackles, center should be the priority, and Mills has been respectable, but definitely a spot where they can improve. I didn't realize how much cap room they were going to have...now I've got a chub to see what Emery can do in the free agent market with all that cash.
Who are the other prime candidates for the franchise tag?
Fucking nobody. Tillman? On IR for the rest of the year after a weak campaign. Melton? Not a chance. There is no reason not to just tag Cutler. They've got the space to do it and I can't imagine Emery wanting to waste a top half draft pick on a position that they've gotten perfectly good production from this year.
Tagging Cutler seems reasonable, but you're going to have to draft a QB somewhere in rounds 2-4 then.
Quote from: SKO on November 11, 2013, 01:23:08 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 11, 2013, 01:20:23 PM
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Quote from: SKO on November 11, 2013, 12:55:16 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 11, 2013, 12:05:28 PM
I admit it...I'm not completely dismissing the idea of
- letting Cutler walk after this year and instead spending the franchise QB money to upgrade the defense
- drafting a QB
- letting (gulp) McCown start at least a portion of next season until Scheelhaase is ready to play
I don't like that I'm thinking it, but I'm thinking it.
The cap next year will be about $120 Million. The Bears currently have about $80 million committed for 2014, and that's including paying Peppers $18 million if they keep him (not likely) vs. $8 million if they cut him. So looking at about $50+ million in cap room, I'm not really worried about them paying Cutler. I'd probably franchise tag him at this point, and you can bring back McCown for cheap. Dude is 34 and has never had any kind of success anywhere except in Trestman's offense. He'll be cheap to backup Jay or start Jay if you want the meatballs to win the revolution or whatever.
I still think your best chance as a serious contender in 2014 is keeping Cutler at QB and keeping the rest of that offense (sans Garza, natch) together next year and using your FA money and your draft picks to re-tool on defense.
Plus I'd rather overpay for a quarterback, where you'll often find effective starters into their late 30s, as opposed to giving more big money deals to top defensive free agents, who are likely to age faster and be less effective later in their deals.
All good points. Garza definitely needs to be replaced, and I wouldn't have a sad if they found a veteran upgrade from Mills. Given how much Kromer/Trestman value a strong interior line vs. stud tackles, center should be the priority, and Mills has been respectable, but definitely a spot where they can improve. I didn't realize how much cap room they were going to have...now I've got a chub to see what Emery can do in the free agent market with all that cash.
Who are the other prime candidates for the franchise tag?
Fucking nobody. Tillman? On IR for the rest of the year after a weak campaign. Melton? Not a chance. There is no reason not to just tag Cutler. They've got the space to do it and I can't imagine Emery wanting to waste a top half draft pick on a position that they've gotten perfectly good production from this year.
Now wait just a goddamn minute. A weak campaign?
3 INTs and 3 FF in 8 games while playing on one leg? All our corners should be so weak.
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Quote from: SKO on November 11, 2013, 12:55:16 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 11, 2013, 12:05:28 PM
I admit it...I'm not completely dismissing the idea of
- letting Cutler walk after this year and instead spending the franchise QB money to upgrade the defense
- drafting a QB
- letting (gulp) McCown start at least a portion of next season until Scheelhaase is ready to play
I don't like that I'm thinking it, but I'm thinking it.
The cap next year will be about $120 Million. The Bears currently have about $80 million committed for 2014, and that's including paying Peppers $18 million if they keep him (not likely) vs. $8 million if they cut him. So looking at about $50+ million in cap room, I'm not really worried about them paying Cutler. I'd probably franchise tag him at this point, and you can bring back McCown for cheap. Dude is 34 and has never had any kind of success anywhere except in Trestman's offense. He'll be cheap to backup Jay or start Jay if you want the meatballs to win the revolution or whatever.
I still think your best chance as a serious contender in 2014 is keeping Cutler at QB and keeping the rest of that offense (sans Garza, natch) together next year and using your FA money and your draft picks to re-tool on defense.
Plus I'd rather overpay for a quarterback, where you'll often find effective starters into their late 30s, as opposed to giving more big money deals to top defensive free agents, who are likely to age faster and be less effective later in their deals.
All good points. Garza definitely needs to be replaced, and I wouldn't have a sad if they found a veteran upgrade from Mills. Given how much Kromer/Trestman value a strong interior line vs. stud tackles, center should be the priority, and Mills has been respectable, but definitely a spot where they can improve. I didn't realize how much cap room they were going to have...now I've got a chub to see what Emery can do in the free agent market with all that cash.
Who are the other prime candidates for the franchise tag?
Fucking nobody. Tillman? On IR for the rest of the year after a weak campaign. Melton? Not a chance. There is no reason not to just tag Cutler. They've got the space to do it and I can't imagine Emery wanting to waste a top half draft pick on a position that they've gotten perfectly good production from this year.
Tagging Cutler seems reasonable, but you're going to have to draft a QB somewhere in rounds 2-4 then.
I would like to see this as well and I can't imagine they don't grab a QB at some point in the draft.
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Quote from: SKO on November 11, 2013, 12:55:16 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 11, 2013, 12:05:28 PM
I admit it...I'm not completely dismissing the idea of
- letting Cutler walk after this year and instead spending the franchise QB money to upgrade the defense
- drafting a QB
- letting (gulp) McCown start at least a portion of next season until Scheelhaase is ready to play
I don't like that I'm thinking it, but I'm thinking it.
The cap next year will be about $120 Million. The Bears currently have about $80 million committed for 2014, and that's including paying Peppers $18 million if they keep him (not likely) vs. $8 million if they cut him. So looking at about $50+ million in cap room, I'm not really worried about them paying Cutler. I'd probably franchise tag him at this point, and you can bring back McCown for cheap. Dude is 34 and has never had any kind of success anywhere except in Trestman's offense. He'll be cheap to backup Jay or start Jay if you want the meatballs to win the revolution or whatever.
I still think your best chance as a serious contender in 2014 is keeping Cutler at QB and keeping the rest of that offense (sans Garza, natch) together next year and using your FA money and your draft picks to re-tool on defense.
Plus I'd rather overpay for a quarterback, where you'll often find effective starters into their late 30s, as opposed to giving more big money deals to top defensive free agents, who are likely to age faster and be less effective later in their deals.
All good points. Garza definitely needs to be replaced, and I wouldn't have a sad if they found a veteran upgrade from Mills. Given how much Kromer/Trestman value a strong interior line vs. stud tackles, center should be the priority, and Mills has been respectable, but definitely a spot where they can improve. I didn't realize how much cap room they were going to have...now I've got a chub to see what Emery can do in the free agent market with all that cash.
Who are the other prime candidates for the franchise tag?
Fucking nobody. Tillman? On IR for the rest of the year after a weak campaign. Melton? Not a chance. There is no reason not to just tag Cutler. They've got the space to do it and I can't imagine Emery wanting to waste a top half draft pick on a position that they've gotten perfectly good production from this year.
Tagging Cutler seems reasonable, but you're going to have to draft a QB somewhere in rounds 2-4 then.
I would like to see this as well and I can't imagine they don't grab a QB at some point in the draft.
Short of giving him a new contract, I can't think of a more clear expression of what Trestman and Emery think of Cutler than starting and continuing to play him last week. He's their guy. They're not on the fence about whether or not he can win in the NFL.
I expect him back with new paper.
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Quote from: R-V on November 11, 2013, 12:05:28 PM
I admit it...I'm not completely dismissing the idea of
- letting Cutler walk after this year and instead spending the franchise QB money to upgrade the defense
- drafting a QB
- letting (gulp) McCown start at least a portion of next season until Scheelhaase is ready to play
I don't like that I'm thinking it, but I'm thinking it.
The cap next year will be about $120 Million. The Bears currently have about $80 million committed for 2014, and that's including paying Peppers $18 million if they keep him (not likely) vs. $8 million if they cut him. So looking at about $50+ million in cap room, I'm not really worried about them paying Cutler. I'd probably franchise tag him at this point, and you can bring back McCown for cheap. Dude is 34 and has never had any kind of success anywhere except in Trestman's offense. He'll be cheap to backup Jay or start Jay if you want the meatballs to win the revolution or whatever.
I still think your best chance as a serious contender in 2014 is keeping Cutler at QB and keeping the rest of that offense (sans Garza, natch) together next year and using your FA money and your draft picks to re-tool on defense.
Plus I'd rather overpay for a quarterback, where you'll often find effective starters into their late 30s, as opposed to giving more big money deals to top defensive free agents, who are likely to age faster and be less effective later in their deals.
All good points. Garza definitely needs to be replaced, and I wouldn't have a sad if they found a veteran upgrade from Mills. Given how much Kromer/Trestman value a strong interior line vs. stud tackles, center should be the priority, and Mills has been respectable, but definitely a spot where they can improve. I didn't realize how much cap room they were going to have...now I've got a chub to see what Emery can do in the free agent market with all that cash.
Who are the other prime candidates for the franchise tag?
Fucking nobody. Tillman? On IR for the rest of the year after a weak campaign. Melton? Not a chance. There is no reason not to just tag Cutler. They've got the space to do it and I can't imagine Emery wanting to waste a top half draft pick on a position that they've gotten perfectly good production from this year.
Tagging Cutler seems reasonable, but you're going to have to draft a QB somewhere in rounds 2-4 then.
I would like to see this as well and I can't imagine they don't grab a QB at some point in the draft.
Short of giving him a new contract, I can't think of a more clear expression of what Trestman and Emery think of Cutler than starting and continuing to play him last week. He's their guy. They're not on the fence about whether or not he can win in the NFL.
I expect him back with new paper.
Well and it's not even a question of "can Trestink fix him?" like it was in the offseason. When healthy he's clearly very effective in that offense, and that offense is effective with him. There's no reason not to bring him back, but I totally support franchise tagging him because of the mounting injury issues.
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Quote from: R-V on November 11, 2013, 12:05:28 PM
I admit it...I'm not completely dismissing the idea of
- letting Cutler walk after this year and instead spending the franchise QB money to upgrade the defense
- drafting a QB
- letting (gulp) McCown start at least a portion of next season until Scheelhaase is ready to play
I don't like that I'm thinking it, but I'm thinking it.
The cap next year will be about $120 Million. The Bears currently have about $80 million committed for 2014, and that's including paying Peppers $18 million if they keep him (not likely) vs. $8 million if they cut him. So looking at about $50+ million in cap room, I'm not really worried about them paying Cutler. I'd probably franchise tag him at this point, and you can bring back McCown for cheap. Dude is 34 and has never had any kind of success anywhere except in Trestman's offense. He'll be cheap to backup Jay or start Jay if you want the meatballs to win the revolution or whatever.
I still think your best chance as a serious contender in 2014 is keeping Cutler at QB and keeping the rest of that offense (sans Garza, natch) together next year and using your FA money and your draft picks to re-tool on defense.
Plus I'd rather overpay for a quarterback, where you'll often find effective starters into their late 30s, as opposed to giving more big money deals to top defensive free agents, who are likely to age faster and be less effective later in their deals.
All good points. Garza definitely needs to be replaced, and I wouldn't have a sad if they found a veteran upgrade from Mills. Given how much Kromer/Trestman value a strong interior line vs. stud tackles, center should be the priority, and Mills has been respectable, but definitely a spot where they can improve. I didn't realize how much cap room they were going to have...now I've got a chub to see what Emery can do in the free agent market with all that cash.
Who are the other prime candidates for the franchise tag?
Fucking nobody. Tillman? On IR for the rest of the year after a weak campaign. Melton? Not a chance. There is no reason not to just tag Cutler. They've got the space to do it and I can't imagine Emery wanting to waste a top half draft pick on a position that they've gotten perfectly good production from this year.
Tagging Cutler seems reasonable, but you're going to have to draft a QB somewhere in rounds 2-4 then.
I would like to see this as well and I can't imagine they don't grab a QB at some point in the draft.
Short of giving him a new contract, I can't think of a more clear expression of what Trestman and Emery think of Cutler than starting and continuing to play him last week. He's their guy. They're not on the fence about whether or not he can win in the NFL.
I expect him back with new paper.
Well and it's not even a question of "can Trestink fix him?" like it was in the offseason. When healthy he's clearly very effective in that offense, and that offense is effective with him. There's no reason not to bring him back, but I totally support franchise tagging him because of the mounting injury issues.
I don't think his are the kind of mounting injuries that would make them shy away from locking him up with some guaranteed paper. If it were knees, back, neck, arm or something, yeah, they would worry that he'd lose some of his effectiveness. But a broken thumb, a torn groin and a sprained ankle? Nah. Pay the man his money.
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Quote from: SKO on November 11, 2013, 12:57:22 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 11, 2013, 12:55:16 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 11, 2013, 12:05:28 PM
I admit it...I'm not completely dismissing the idea of
- letting Cutler walk after this year and instead spending the franchise QB money to upgrade the defense
- drafting a QB
- letting (gulp) McCown start at least a portion of next season until Scheelhaase is ready to play
I don't like that I'm thinking it, but I'm thinking it.
The cap next year will be about $120 Million. The Bears currently have about $80 million committed for 2014, and that's including paying Peppers $18 million if they keep him (not likely) vs. $8 million if they cut him. So looking at about $50+ million in cap room, I'm not really worried about them paying Cutler. I'd probably franchise tag him at this point, and you can bring back McCown for cheap. Dude is 34 and has never had any kind of success anywhere except in Trestman's offense. He'll be cheap to backup Jay or start Jay if you want the meatballs to win the revolution or whatever.
I still think your best chance as a serious contender in 2014 is keeping Cutler at QB and keeping the rest of that offense (sans Garza, natch) together next year and using your FA money and your draft picks to re-tool on defense.
Plus I'd rather overpay for a quarterback, where you'll often find effective starters into their late 30s, as opposed to giving more big money deals to top defensive free agents, who are likely to age faster and be less effective later in their deals.
All good points. Garza definitely needs to be replaced, and I wouldn't have a sad if they found a veteran upgrade from Mills. Given how much Kromer/Trestman value a strong interior line vs. stud tackles, center should be the priority, and Mills has been respectable, but definitely a spot where they can improve. I didn't realize how much cap room they were going to have...now I've got a chub to see what Emery can do in the free agent market with all that cash.
Who are the other prime candidates for the franchise tag?
Fucking nobody. Tillman? On IR for the rest of the year after a weak campaign. Melton? Not a chance. There is no reason not to just tag Cutler. They've got the space to do it and I can't imagine Emery wanting to waste a top half draft pick on a position that they've gotten perfectly good production from this year.
Tagging Cutler seems reasonable, but you're going to have to draft a QB somewhere in rounds 2-4 then.
I would like to see this as well and I can't imagine they don't grab a QB at some point in the draft.
Short of giving him a new contract, I can't think of a more clear expression of what Trestman and Emery think of Cutler than starting and continuing to play him last week. He's their guy. They're not on the fence about whether or not he can win in the NFL.
I expect him back with new paper.
Well and it's not even a question of "can Trestink fix him?" like it was in the offseason. When healthy he's clearly very effective in that offense, and that offense is effective with him. There's no reason not to bring him back, but I totally support franchise tagging him because of the mounting injury issues.
I don't think his are the kind of mounting injuries that would make them shy away from locking him up with some guaranteed paper. If it were knees, back, neck, arm or something, yeah, they would worry that he'd lose some of his effectiveness. But a broken thumb, a torn groin and a sprained ankle? Nah. Pay the man his money.
Maybe they just think he's better than Josh McCown and gives them a better chance to win, even at 80%. I'm pretty sure anybody in the NFL would feel that way, having seen Josh McCown play the 8-10 years or whatever.
In terms of "pay the man his money" why would they do that?
This isn't an anti-Cutler question, but what exactly is the motivation or rationale for giving him a long term-contract?
They can franchise him for $14 million or so, what's the downside of doing this, if there's no one else they really need to tag?
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 09:02:18 AM
Maybe they just think he's better than Josh McCown and gives them a better chance to win, even at 80%. I'm pretty sure anybody in the NFL would feel that way, having seen Josh McCown play the 8-10 years or whatever.
In terms of "pay the man his money" why would they do that?
This isn't an anti-Cutler question, but what exactly is the motivation or rationale for giving him a long term-contract?
They can franchise him for $14 million or so, what's the downside of doing this, if there's no one else they really need to tag?
I am decidedly pro-Cutler and would rather see them tag him at this point. It's possible Jay signs for less money to avoid the tag, which I'm cool with, but I mean at this point you can tag him for 2 years and punt this question down the road and not really hamper the franchise's plans elsewhere.
Quote from: Slaky on November 11, 2013, 01:23:34 PM
That's why I've kind of felt this year was more or less a punt.
Chicago Sports: Where Punting Happens
I thought that you could sign a person to a more cap friendly deal if you added some years and spread the damage rather than 14-16 MM against the cap with the franchise tag. And they need a lot of cap space to spare. That was my thought. And I thought Cutler would probably be open to such an arrangement. If this is wrong, I apologize.
But I thought that was what the Cowboys did with Romo. And everybody saw the total dollars on the contract and freaked out but upon inspection it was a good deal for both parties.
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZErlqZCAAAx7pA.jpg)
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 12, 2013, 09:41:28 AM
I thought that you could sign a person to a more cap friendly deal if you added some years and spread the damage rather than 14-16 MM against the cap with the franchise tag. And they need a lot of cap space to spare. That was my thought. And I thought Cutler would probably be open to such an arrangement. If this is wrong, I apologize.
But I thought that was what the Cowboys did with Romo. And everybody saw the total dollars on the contract and freaked out but upon inspection it was a good deal for both parties.
$14-16 million against the cap? I think it'd be near $19 million.
The franchise tag averages the top 5 salaries at the player's position, and last I checked QBs get paid somewhat handsomely.
But the question that I have is, assuming the Bears offered Cutler a middling-type offer (like 4 years, $60MM, $25MM bonus) and he decides to look elsewhere, what team is going to be crazy enough to throw $100 or $110MM at him?
Jacksonville?
Quote from: Gilgamesh on November 15, 2013, 10:59:29 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 12, 2013, 09:41:28 AM
I thought that you could sign a person to a more cap friendly deal if you added some years and spread the damage rather than 14-16 MM against the cap with the franchise tag. And they need a lot of cap space to spare. That was my thought. And I thought Cutler would probably be open to such an arrangement. If this is wrong, I apologize.
But I thought that was what the Cowboys did with Romo. And everybody saw the total dollars on the contract and freaked out but upon inspection it was a good deal for both parties.
$14-16 million against the cap? I think it'd be near $19 million.
The franchise tag averages the top 5 salaries at the player's position, and last I checked QBs get paid somewhat handsomely.
But the question that I have is, assuming the Bears offered Cutler a middling-type offer (like 4 years, $60MM, $25MM bonus) and he decides to look elsewhere, what team is going to be crazy enough to throw $100 or $110MM at him?
Jacksonville?
Jacksonville's getting a top 2 pick in the draft, they're not taking Cutler over Teddy Bridgewater.
No chance in hell.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 15, 2013, 11:03:20 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on November 15, 2013, 10:59:29 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 12, 2013, 09:41:28 AM
I thought that you could sign a person to a more cap friendly deal if you added some years and spread the damage rather than 14-16 MM against the cap with the franchise tag. And they need a lot of cap space to spare. That was my thought. And I thought Cutler would probably be open to such an arrangement. If this is wrong, I apologize.
But I thought that was what the Cowboys did with Romo. And everybody saw the total dollars on the contract and freaked out but upon inspection it was a good deal for both parties.
$14-16 million against the cap? I think it'd be near $19 million.
The franchise tag averages the top 5 salaries at the player's position, and last I checked QBs get paid somewhat handsomely.
But the question that I have is, assuming the Bears offered Cutler a middling-type offer (like 4 years, $60MM, $25MM bonus) and he decides to look elsewhere, what team is going to be crazy enough to throw $100 or $110MM at him?
Jacksonville?
Jacksonville's getting a top 2 pick in the draft, they're not taking Cutler over Teddy Bridgewater.
No chance in hell.
I suppose Minnesota could make an offer, but I doubt they'd be able to offer more than the Bears.
Plus, why would he want to play for Minnesota?
I think it's going to be tough for Cutler, seeing as this is probably going to be his last big money contract, but the teams that could offer to fork up that money are not going to be the most desirable cities.
Would Arizona or Texas want Cutler?
Quote from: Gilgamesh on November 15, 2013, 11:32:07 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 15, 2013, 11:03:20 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on November 15, 2013, 10:59:29 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 12, 2013, 09:41:28 AM
I thought that you could sign a person to a more cap friendly deal if you added some years and spread the damage rather than 14-16 MM against the cap with the franchise tag. And they need a lot of cap space to spare. That was my thought. And I thought Cutler would probably be open to such an arrangement. If this is wrong, I apologize.
But I thought that was what the Cowboys did with Romo. And everybody saw the total dollars on the contract and freaked out but upon inspection it was a good deal for both parties.
$14-16 million against the cap? I think it'd be near $19 million.
The franchise tag averages the top 5 salaries at the player's position, and last I checked QBs get paid somewhat handsomely.
But the question that I have is, assuming the Bears offered Cutler a middling-type offer (like 4 years, $60MM, $25MM bonus) and he decides to look elsewhere, what team is going to be crazy enough to throw $100 or $110MM at him?
Jacksonville?
Jacksonville's getting a top 2 pick in the draft, they're not taking Cutler over Teddy Bridgewater.
No chance in hell.
I suppose Minnesota could make an offer, but I doubt they'd be able to offer more than the Bears.
Plus, why would he want to play for Minnesota?
I think it's going to be tough for Cutler, seeing as this is probably going to be his last big money contract, but the teams that could offer to fork up that money are not going to be the most desirable cities.
Would Arizona or Texas want Cutler?
Houston seems like the best fit. Where else could he go that has a decent team and doesn't have a young QB they've committed to? Arizona, Cleveland, Minnesota, Tennessee... meh.
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Quote from: PenFoe on November 15, 2013, 11:03:20 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on November 15, 2013, 10:59:29 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 12, 2013, 09:41:28 AM
I thought that you could sign a person to a more cap friendly deal if you added some years and spread the damage rather than 14-16 MM against the cap with the franchise tag. And they need a lot of cap space to spare. That was my thought. And I thought Cutler would probably be open to such an arrangement. If this is wrong, I apologize.
But I thought that was what the Cowboys did with Romo. And everybody saw the total dollars on the contract and freaked out but upon inspection it was a good deal for both parties.
$14-16 million against the cap? I think it'd be near $19 million.
The franchise tag averages the top 5 salaries at the player's position, and last I checked QBs get paid somewhat handsomely.
But the question that I have is, assuming the Bears offered Cutler a middling-type offer (like 4 years, $60MM, $25MM bonus) and he decides to look elsewhere, what team is going to be crazy enough to throw $100 or $110MM at him?
Jacksonville?
Jacksonville's getting a top 2 pick in the draft, they're not taking Cutler over Teddy Bridgewater.
No chance in hell.
I suppose Minnesota could make an offer, but I doubt they'd be able to offer more than the Bears.
Plus, why would he want to play for Minnesota?
I think it's going to be tough for Cutler, seeing as this is probably going to be his last big money contract, but the teams that could offer to fork up that money are not going to be the most desirable cities.
Would Arizona or Texas want Cutler?
Houston seems like the best fit. Where else could he go that has a decent team and doesn't have a young QB they've committed to? Arizona, Cleveland, Minnesota, Tennessee... meh.
Ahem...
(http://media.culturemap.com/crop/7f/2d/600x450/case_keenum_ear.jpg)
Actually, Arians and Cutler would be a pretty decent fit.
*Sits back and watches SKO's head explode.*
Quote from: Tony on November 15, 2013, 11:59:17 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on November 15, 2013, 11:32:07 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 15, 2013, 11:03:20 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on November 15, 2013, 10:59:29 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 12, 2013, 09:41:28 AM
I thought that you could sign a person to a more cap friendly deal if you added some years and spread the damage rather than 14-16 MM against the cap with the franchise tag. And they need a lot of cap space to spare. That was my thought. And I thought Cutler would probably be open to such an arrangement. If this is wrong, I apologize.
But I thought that was what the Cowboys did with Romo. And everybody saw the total dollars on the contract and freaked out but upon inspection it was a good deal for both parties.
$14-16 million against the cap? I think it'd be near $19 million.
The franchise tag averages the top 5 salaries at the player's position, and last I checked QBs get paid somewhat handsomely.
But the question that I have is, assuming the Bears offered Cutler a middling-type offer (like 4 years, $60MM, $25MM bonus) and he decides to look elsewhere, what team is going to be crazy enough to throw $100 or $110MM at him?
Jacksonville?
Jacksonville's getting a top 2 pick in the draft, they're not taking Cutler over Teddy Bridgewater.
No chance in hell.
I suppose Minnesota could make an offer, but I doubt they'd be able to offer more than the Bears.
Plus, why would he want to play for Minnesota?
I think it's going to be tough for Cutler, seeing as this is probably going to be his last big money contract, but the teams that could offer to fork up that money are not going to be the most desirable cities.
Would Arizona or Texas want Cutler?
Houston seems like the best fit. Where else could he go that has a decent team and doesn't have a young QB they've committed to? Arizona, Cleveland, Minnesota, Tennessee... meh.
Titans or Jacksonville (if they bite the bullet and move to LA) might be where he'd be open to going for less.
But if he gets a 3 or 4 year deal for non-insulting money with the Bears, why not stay? He has a foundation of an O-line, finally. He'll have Brandon Marshall to throw to, not to mention Marty B. and Alshon Jeffrey. If Forte has a couple more good years in him, he'll be as set up to succeed here than anywhere else.
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Quote from: Internet Apex on November 12, 2013, 09:41:28 AM
I thought that you could sign a person to a more cap friendly deal if you added some years and spread the damage rather than 14-16 MM against the cap with the franchise tag. And they need a lot of cap space to spare. That was my thought. And I thought Cutler would probably be open to such an arrangement. If this is wrong, I apologize.
But I thought that was what the Cowboys did with Romo. And everybody saw the total dollars on the contract and freaked out but upon inspection it was a good deal for both parties.
$14-16 million against the cap? I think it'd be near $19 million.
The franchise tag averages the top 5 salaries at the player's position, and last I checked QBs get paid somewhat handsomely.
But the question that I have is, assuming the Bears offered Cutler a middling-type offer (like 4 years, $60MM, $25MM bonus) and he decides to look elsewhere, what team is going to be crazy enough to throw $100 or $110MM at him?
Jacksonville?
Jacksonville's getting a top 2 pick in the draft, they're not taking Cutler over Teddy Bridgewater.
No chance in hell.
I suppose Minnesota could make an offer, but I doubt they'd be able to offer more than the Bears.
Plus, why would he want to play for Minnesota?
I think it's going to be tough for Cutler, seeing as this is probably going to be his last big money contract, but the teams that could offer to fork up that money are not going to be the most desirable cities.
Would Arizona or Texas want Cutler?
Houston seems like the best fit. Where else could he go that has a decent team and doesn't have a young QB they've committed to? Arizona, Cleveland, Minnesota, Tennessee... meh.
Titans or Jacksonville (if they bite the bullet and move to LA) might be where he'd be open to going for less.
But if he gets a 3 or 4 year deal for non-insulting money with the Bears, why not stay? He has a foundation of an O-line, finally. He'll have Brandon Marshall to throw to, not to mention Marty B. and Alshon Jeffrey. If Forte has a couple more good years in him, he'll be as set up to succeed here than anywhere else.
Not to turn away from the Cutler topic, but I sincerely doubt that LA will ever get another NFL team.
I think the situation of having LA sans NFL is more profitable to the current owners than if they had a team in place. Without a team there, every owner who wants more public money for stadiums or something extra from a TV deal or whatever business arrangement can just threaten to move to LA, forcing the other side to cave.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on November 15, 2013, 12:34:00 PM
Not to turn away from the Cutler topic, but I sincerely doubt that LA will ever get another NFL team.
Why does LA need an NFL team? They have USC.
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Quote from: Gilgamesh on November 15, 2013, 12:34:00 PM
Not to turn away from the Cutler topic, but I sincerely doubt that LA will ever get another NFL team.
Why does LA need an NFL team? They have USC.
Neighborhood's too rough.
Ed Curran just informed me that tornadoes are dangerous.
Quote from: flannj on November 17, 2013, 12:47:32 PM
Ed Curran just informed me that tornadoes are dangerous.
The've delayed
a football game. If that doesn't illustrate how dangerous tornadoes are, I don't know what would.
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Quote from: flannj on November 17, 2013, 12:47:32 PM
Ed Curran just informed me that tornadoes are dangerous.
The've delayed a football game. If that doesn't illustrate how dangerous tornadoes are, I don't know what would.
He said that if you are in the path of a tornado you should get in a tub and put on a bike helmet to protect your head.
I'm picturing Huey yelling at his family to go find their own tub.
Quote from: flannj on November 17, 2013, 01:28:45 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 17, 2013, 01:03:18 PM
Quote from: flannj on November 17, 2013, 12:47:32 PM
Ed Curran just informed me that tornadoes are dangerous.
The've delayed a football game. If that doesn't illustrate how dangerous tornadoes are, I don't know what would.
He said that if you are in the path of a tornado you should get in a tub and put on a bike helmet to protect your head.
I'm picturing Huey yelling at his family to go find their own tub.
He also said "If you are in a mobile home you CANNOT be in a mobile home, go somewhere else"
I assume bootstraps would be the fastest way to achieve that.
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Quote from: flannj on November 17, 2013, 01:28:45 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 17, 2013, 01:03:18 PM
Quote from: flannj on November 17, 2013, 12:47:32 PM
Ed Curran just informed me that tornadoes are dangerous.
The've delayed a football game. If that doesn't illustrate how dangerous tornadoes are, I don't know what would.
He said that if you are in the path of a tornado you should get in a tub and put on a bike helmet to protect your head.
I'm picturing Huey yelling at his family to go find their own tub.
He also said "If you are in a mobile home you CANNOT be in a mobile home, go somewhere else"
I assume bootstraps would be the fastest way to achieve that.
And now he just said that the cold air mass came in and 'settled everything down.'
As opposed to causing the storm in the first place.
Worst unnecessary horse collar tackle ever. And away we go to an unnecessary OT.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 17, 2013, 05:07:03 PM
Worst unnecessary horse collar tackle ever. And away we go to an unnecessary OT.
...nonetheless I appreciate the link to place where I could buy horsecollars if I were so inclined.
Quote from: CBStew on November 17, 2013, 06:03:08 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 17, 2013, 05:07:03 PM
Worst unnecessary horse collar tackle ever. And away we go to an unnecessary OT.
...nonetheless I appreciate the link to place where I could buy horsecollars if I were so inclined.
You might have a computer virus, Stew.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 17, 2013, 06:58:58 PM
Quote from: CBStew on November 17, 2013, 06:03:08 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 17, 2013, 05:07:03 PM
Worst unnecessary horse collar tackle ever. And away we go to an unnecessary OT.
...nonetheless I appreciate the link to place where I could buy horsecollars if I were so inclined.
You might have a computer virus, Stew.
Yes. There's no link, Stew. Something else is adding that.
This Rotoworld blurb (just links to a tweet that doesn't say this specifically, so unsure of the source or origin) doesn't sound all that promising.
Quote
Speaking for the first time since Week 10, Jay Cutler implied his ankle injury is worse than has been reported and there are "worrisome ligament issues."
"The ankle is the problem. The groin is going to be fine," Cutler said. "If I just had a normal high-ankle sprain, I wouldn't be in a cast. I'm searching for any doctor in the country that will say, 'Hey, you can play on this,' but we haven't found him yet. There's a couple ligaments that we're a little bit worried about that's different than a normal high-ankle sprain." Cutler initially targeted a Week 13 return against the Vikings, "but now I really don't know."
All the Bears have said is that Cutler is "week-to-week." It sounds like Josh McCown could be in the saddle for at least a couple more starts.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 18, 2013, 06:05:18 PM
This Rotoworld blurb (just links to a tweet that doesn't say this specifically, so unsure of the source or origin) doesn't sound all that promising.
Quote
Speaking for the first time since Week 10, Jay Cutler implied his ankle injury is worse than has been reported and there are "worrisome ligament issues."
"The ankle is the problem. The groin is going to be fine," Cutler said. "If I just had a normal high-ankle sprain, I wouldn't be in a cast. I'm searching for any doctor in the country that will say, 'Hey, you can play on this,' but we haven't found him yet. There's a couple ligaments that we're a little bit worried about that's different than a normal high-ankle sprain." Cutler initially targeted a Week 13 return against the Vikings, "but now I really don't know."
All the Bears have said is that Cutler is "week-to-week." It sounds like Josh McCown could be in the saddle for at least a couple more starts.
It's nice to have a back-up QB that's capable of getting the job done, if you can tune out the meatballs that want him to be the starter.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 18, 2013, 11:22:17 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 17, 2013, 06:58:58 PM
Quote from: CBStew on November 17, 2013, 06:03:08 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 17, 2013, 05:07:03 PM
Worst unnecessary horse collar tackle ever. And away we go to an unnecessary OT.
...nonetheless I appreciate the link to place where I could buy horsecollars if I were so inclined.
You might have a computer virus, Stew.
Yes. There's no link, Stew. Something else is adding that.
But before I opened that message I didn't have a clue as to where I could purchase a halfway decent horsecollar. Now, when I need one in a hurry I will know where to go. "Urgent Horsecollars, Inc."
Quote from: CBStew on November 18, 2013, 07:58:01 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 18, 2013, 11:22:17 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 17, 2013, 06:58:58 PM
Quote from: CBStew on November 17, 2013, 06:03:08 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 17, 2013, 05:07:03 PM
Worst unnecessary horse collar tackle ever. And away we go to an unnecessary OT.
...nonetheless I appreciate the link to place where I could buy horsecollars if I were so inclined.
You might have a computer virus, Stew.
Yes. There's no link, Stew. Something else is adding that.
But before I opened that message I didn't have a clue as to where I could purchase a halfway decent horsecollar. Now, when I need one in a hurry I will know where to go. "Urgent Horsecollars, Inc."
Seems legit.
Is it so hard to just be happy about a back-up QB playing well? Why do all the meatballs have to take it too far?
Quote from: Tony on November 19, 2013, 12:19:13 PM
Is it so hard to just be happy about a back-up QB playing well? Why do all the meatballs have to take it too far?
Taking it too far is what good meatballs do.
Quote from: CT III on November 19, 2013, 12:21:28 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 19, 2013, 12:19:13 PM
Is it so hard to just be happy about a back-up QB playing well? Why do all the meatballs have to take it too far?
Taking it too far is what good meatballs do.
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Quote from: Tony on November 19, 2013, 12:19:13 PM
Is it so hard to just be happy about a back-up QB playing well? Why do all the meatballs have to take it too far?
Probably because they haven't had a chance to see the backup QB fail. I think it's closely related to overrating prospects in baseball (who we haven't seen suck yet), which is odd because backup-QB-loving meatballs fans are usually entirely separate from the kind of fans who are informed about prospects.
Maybe we're all stupid.
I am reminded of a quarterback named Colin Kaepernick, who tore up opposing teams coming in as a backup in 2012. Now the 49er fans are screaming for his backup to take over.
Quote from: Eli on November 19, 2013, 12:33:13 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 19, 2013, 12:19:13 PM
Is it so hard to just be happy about a back-up QB playing well? Why do all the meatballs have to take it too far?
Probably because they haven't had a chance to see the backup QB fail. I think it's closely related to overrating prospects in baseball (who we haven't seen suck yet), which is odd because backup-QB-loving meatballs fans are usually entirely separate from the kind of fans who are informed about prospects.
Maybe we're all stupid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recency_effect#Recency_effect
I'm pretty sure every meatball's favorite player is the backup QB.
Quote from: CBStew on November 19, 2013, 12:36:29 PM
I am reminded of a quarterback named Colin Kaepernick, who tore up opposing teams coming in as a backup in 2012. Now the 49er fans are screaming for his backup to take over.
These people have never seen Colt McCoy play QB in the NFL.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 20, 2013, 10:30:48 AM
Quote from: CBStew on November 19, 2013, 12:36:29 PM
I am reminded of a quarterback named Colin Kaepernick, who tore up opposing teams coming in as a backup in 2012. Now the 49er fans are screaming for his backup to take over.
These people have never seen Colt McCoy play QB in the NFL.
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2013/11/19/49ers-fans-might-want-to-pass-on-these-numbers/
Quote from: CBStew on November 20, 2013, 10:48:47 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 20, 2013, 10:30:48 AM
Quote from: CBStew on November 19, 2013, 12:36:29 PM
I am reminded of a quarterback named Colin Kaepernick, who tore up opposing teams coming in as a backup in 2012. Now the 49er fans are screaming for his backup to take over.
These people have never seen Colt McCoy play QB in the NFL.
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2013/11/19/49ers-fans-might-want-to-pass-on-these-numbers/
That comments section contains a swelling Alex Smith lobby. That's not a good look, Niner country.
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 20, 2013, 11:23:09 AM
Quote from: CBStew on November 20, 2013, 10:48:47 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 20, 2013, 10:30:48 AM
Quote from: CBStew on November 19, 2013, 12:36:29 PM
I am reminded of a quarterback named Colin Kaepernick, who tore up opposing teams coming in as a backup in 2012. Now the 49er fans are screaming for his backup to take over.
These people have never seen Colt McCoy play QB in the NFL.
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2013/11/19/49ers-fans-might-want-to-pass-on-these-numbers/
That comments section contains a swelling Alex Smith lobby. That's not a good look, Niner country.
Quote49ers will not return to the play offs with QuiverBack Kaepernick and Howl-baugh!
That's some quality nicknameification.
Quote from: Eli on November 20, 2013, 12:35:26 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 20, 2013, 11:23:09 AM
Quote from: CBStew on November 20, 2013, 10:48:47 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 20, 2013, 10:30:48 AM
Quote from: CBStew on November 19, 2013, 12:36:29 PM
I am reminded of a quarterback named Colin Kaepernick, who tore up opposing teams coming in as a backup in 2012. Now the 49er fans are screaming for his backup to take over.
These people have never seen Colt McCoy play QB in the NFL.
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2013/11/19/49ers-fans-might-want-to-pass-on-these-numbers/
That comments section contains a swelling Alex Smith lobby. That's not a good look, Niner country.
Quote49ers will not return to the play offs with QuiverBack Kaepernick and Howl-baugh!
That's some quality nicknameification.
Straight out of the same book that brought us Ocrumbo Barfsack
Quote from: Eli on November 20, 2013, 12:35:26 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 20, 2013, 11:23:09 AM
Quote from: CBStew on November 20, 2013, 10:48:47 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 20, 2013, 10:30:48 AM
Quote from: CBStew on November 19, 2013, 12:36:29 PM
I am reminded of a quarterback named Colin Kaepernick, who tore up opposing teams coming in as a backup in 2012. Now the 49er fans are screaming for his backup to take over.
These people have never seen Colt McCoy play QB in the NFL.
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2013/11/19/49ers-fans-might-want-to-pass-on-these-numbers/
That comments section contains a swelling Alex Smith lobby. That's not a good look, Niner country.
Quote49ers will not return to the play offs with QuiverBack Kaepernick and Howl-baugh!
That's some quality nicknameification.
Huey has family in San Francisco, who knew.
Quote from: BH on November 20, 2013, 01:20:58 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 20, 2013, 12:35:26 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 20, 2013, 11:23:09 AM
Quote from: CBStew on November 20, 2013, 10:48:47 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 20, 2013, 10:30:48 AM
Quote from: CBStew on November 19, 2013, 12:36:29 PM
I am reminded of a quarterback named Colin Kaepernick, who tore up opposing teams coming in as a backup in 2012. Now the 49er fans are screaming for his backup to take over.
These people have never seen Colt McCoy play QB in the NFL.
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2013/11/19/49ers-fans-might-want-to-pass-on-these-numbers/
That comments section contains a swelling Alex Smith lobby. That's not a good look, Niner country.
Quote49ers will not return to the play offs with QuiverBack Kaepernick and Howl-baugh!
That's some quality nicknameification.
Huey has family in San Francisco, who knew.
What did they know?
Quote from: BH on November 20, 2013, 01:20:58 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 20, 2013, 12:35:26 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 20, 2013, 11:23:09 AM
Quote from: CBStew on November 20, 2013, 10:48:47 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 20, 2013, 10:30:48 AM
Quote from: CBStew on November 19, 2013, 12:36:29 PM
I am reminded of a quarterback named Colin Kaepernick, who tore up opposing teams coming in as a backup in 2012. Now the 49er fans are screaming for his backup to take over.
These people have never seen Colt McCoy play QB in the NFL.
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2013/11/19/49ers-fans-might-want-to-pass-on-these-numbers/
That comments section contains a swelling Alex Smith lobby. That's not a good look, Niner country.
Quote49ers will not return to the play offs with QuiverBack Kaepernick and Howl-baugh!
That's some quality nicknameification.
Huey has family in San Francisco, who knew.
(http://i.imgur.com/9qAGVHT.jpg)
RUN FOR YOUR LIVES
Quote from: Eli on November 20, 2013, 12:35:26 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 20, 2013, 11:23:09 AM
Quote from: CBStew on November 20, 2013, 10:48:47 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 20, 2013, 10:30:48 AM
Quote from: CBStew on November 19, 2013, 12:36:29 PM
I am reminded of a quarterback named Colin Kaepernick, who tore up opposing teams coming in as a backup in 2012. Now the 49er fans are screaming for his backup to take over.
These people have never seen Colt McCoy play QB in the NFL.
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2013/11/19/49ers-fans-might-want-to-pass-on-these-numbers/
That comments section contains a swelling Alex Smith lobby. That's not a good look, Niner country.
Quote49ers will not return to the play offs with QuiverBack Kaepernick and Howl-baugh!
That's some quality Kaeper-nicknameification.
Get with the program!
This is a thing that happened:
http://www.csnchicago.com/bears/mix-bears-kyle-long-navigates-identity-crisis
QuoteKyle was at a signing this week and a "guy walked up to me and said, 'Jake, I was very skeptical of the [Bears draft] pick but you've had some very good tackles this year,'" Long said laughing. "My head almost exploded, not because I was mad or anything, just out of confusion. He's there getting a ball signed, he's got a Bears jersey, hundreds of dollars on memorabilia and, 'I'm Kyle, man, I play on the offensive line.'
"I signed it 'Kyle' but he wouldn't have known either way, I don't think."
Of course it did.
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 21, 2013, 03:01:55 PM
This is a thing that happened:
http://www.csnchicago.com/bears/mix-bears-kyle-long-navigates-identity-crisis
QuoteKyle was at a signing this week and a "guy walked up to me and said, 'Jake, I was very skeptical of the [Bears draft] pick but you've had some very good tackles this year,'" Long said laughing. "My head almost exploded, not because I was mad or anything, just out of confusion. He's there getting a ball signed, he's got a Bears jersey, hundreds of dollars on memorabilia and, 'I'm Kyle, man, I play on the offensive line.'
"I signed it 'Kyle' but he wouldn't have known either way, I don't think."
Of course it did.
AND FOR DA LAST TIME JAY MCNOWN SHOULD BE DA QUARTERBACK
Quote from: Slaky on November 21, 2013, 03:05:49 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 21, 2013, 03:01:55 PM
This is a thing that happened:
http://www.csnchicago.com/bears/mix-bears-kyle-long-navigates-identity-crisis
QuoteKyle was at a signing this week and a "guy walked up to me and said, 'Jake, I was very skeptical of the [Bears draft] pick but you've had some very good tackles this year,'" Long said laughing. "My head almost exploded, not because I was mad or anything, just out of confusion. He's there getting a ball signed, he's got a Bears jersey, hundreds of dollars on memorabilia and, 'I'm Kyle, man, I play on the offensive line.'
"I signed it 'Kyle' but he wouldn't have known either way, I don't think."
Of course it did.
AND FOR DA LAST TIME JAY MCNOWN SHOULD BE DA QUARTERBACK
Names I've actually heard Josh called on the Score this week.
McNown
McCowan (leader in the clubhouse)
McCullough
McCullum
I'll let you know if I hear any more.
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 21, 2013, 03:16:37 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 21, 2013, 03:05:49 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 21, 2013, 03:01:55 PM
This is a thing that happened:
http://www.csnchicago.com/bears/mix-bears-kyle-long-navigates-identity-crisis
QuoteKyle was at a signing this week and a "guy walked up to me and said, 'Jake, I was very skeptical of the [Bears draft] pick but you've had some very good tackles this year,'" Long said laughing. "My head almost exploded, not because I was mad or anything, just out of confusion. He's there getting a ball signed, he's got a Bears jersey, hundreds of dollars on memorabilia and, 'I'm Kyle, man, I play on the offensive line.'
"I signed it 'Kyle' but he wouldn't have known either way, I don't think."
Of course it did.
AND FOR DA LAST TIME JAY MCNOWN SHOULD BE DA QUARTERBACK
Names I've actually heard Josh called on the Score this week.
McNown
McCowan (leader in the clubhouse)
McCullough
McCullum
I'll let you know if I hear any more.
Not McGowan?
(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2665/1172/320/rose1.jpg)
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 21, 2013, 03:16:37 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 21, 2013, 03:05:49 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 21, 2013, 03:01:55 PM
This is a thing that happened:
http://www.csnchicago.com/bears/mix-bears-kyle-long-navigates-identity-crisis
QuoteKyle was at a signing this week and a "guy walked up to me and said, 'Jake, I was very skeptical of the [Bears draft] pick but you've had some very good tackles this year,'" Long said laughing. "My head almost exploded, not because I was mad or anything, just out of confusion. He's there getting a ball signed, he's got a Bears jersey, hundreds of dollars on memorabilia and, 'I'm Kyle, man, I play on the offensive line.'
"I signed it 'Kyle' but he wouldn't have known either way, I don't think."
Of course it did.
AND FOR DA LAST TIME JAY MCNOWN SHOULD BE DA QUARTERBACK
Names I've actually heard Josh called on the Score this week.
McNown
McCowan (leader in the clubhouse)
McCullough
McCullum
I'll let you know if I hear any more.
You gotta do it for me, Billy.
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kpazvu9qNA1qz7y27o1_400.jpg)
Quote from: Tony on November 21, 2013, 03:34:57 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 21, 2013, 03:16:37 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 21, 2013, 03:05:49 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 21, 2013, 03:01:55 PM
This is a thing that happened:
http://www.csnchicago.com/bears/mix-bears-kyle-long-navigates-identity-crisis
QuoteKyle was at a signing this week and a "guy walked up to me and said, 'Jake, I was very skeptical of the [Bears draft] pick but you've had some very good tackles this year,'" Long said laughing. "My head almost exploded, not because I was mad or anything, just out of confusion. He's there getting a ball signed, he's got a Bears jersey, hundreds of dollars on memorabilia and, 'I'm Kyle, man, I play on the offensive line.'
"I signed it 'Kyle' but he wouldn't have known either way, I don't think."
Of course it did.
AND FOR DA LAST TIME JAY MCNOWN SHOULD BE DA QUARTERBACK
Names I've actually heard Josh called on the Score this week.
McNown
McCowan (leader in the clubhouse)
McCullough
McCullum
I'll let you know if I hear any more.
Not McGowan?
(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2665/1172/320/rose1.jpg)
McLoven?
Quote from: Tony on November 21, 2013, 03:34:57 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 21, 2013, 03:16:37 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 21, 2013, 03:05:49 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 21, 2013, 03:01:55 PM
This is a thing that happened:
http://www.csnchicago.com/bears/mix-bears-kyle-long-navigates-identity-crisis
QuoteKyle was at a signing this week and a "guy walked up to me and said, 'Jake, I was very skeptical of the [Bears draft] pick but you've had some very good tackles this year,'" Long said laughing. "My head almost exploded, not because I was mad or anything, just out of confusion. He's there getting a ball signed, he's got a Bears jersey, hundreds of dollars on memorabilia and, 'I'm Kyle, man, I play on the offensive line.'
"I signed it 'Kyle' but he wouldn't have known either way, I don't think."
Of course it did.
AND FOR DA LAST TIME JAY MCNOWN SHOULD BE DA QUARTERBACK
Names I've actually heard Josh called on the Score this week.
McNown
McCowan (leader in the clubhouse)
McCullough
McCullum
I'll let you know if I hear any more.
Not McGowan?
(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2665/1172/320/rose1.jpg)
Yes.
Quote from: CT III on November 21, 2013, 03:41:07 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 21, 2013, 03:16:37 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 21, 2013, 03:05:49 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 21, 2013, 03:01:55 PM
This is a thing that happened:
http://www.csnchicago.com/bears/mix-bears-kyle-long-navigates-identity-crisis
QuoteKyle was at a signing this week and a "guy walked up to me and said, 'Jake, I was very skeptical of the [Bears draft] pick but you've had some very good tackles this year,'" Long said laughing. "My head almost exploded, not because I was mad or anything, just out of confusion. He's there getting a ball signed, he's got a Bears jersey, hundreds of dollars on memorabilia and, 'I'm Kyle, man, I play on the offensive line.'
"I signed it 'Kyle' but he wouldn't have known either way, I don't think."
Of course it did.
AND FOR DA LAST TIME JAY MCNOWN SHOULD BE DA QUARTERBACK
Names I've actually heard Josh called on the Score this week.
McNown
McCowan (leader in the clubhouse)
McCullough
McCullum
I'll let you know if I hear any more.
You gotta do it for me, Billy.
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kpazvu9qNA1qz7y27o1_400.jpg)
Well CT, Apex is dead! They slit his throat from ear to ear.
Quote from: BBM on November 21, 2013, 04:01:05 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 21, 2013, 03:41:07 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 21, 2013, 03:16:37 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 21, 2013, 03:05:49 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 21, 2013, 03:01:55 PM
This is a thing that happened:
http://www.csnchicago.com/bears/mix-bears-kyle-long-navigates-identity-crisis
QuoteKyle was at a signing this week and a "guy walked up to me and said, 'Jake, I was very skeptical of the [Bears draft] pick but you've had some very good tackles this year,'" Long said laughing. "My head almost exploded, not because I was mad or anything, just out of confusion. He's there getting a ball signed, he's got a Bears jersey, hundreds of dollars on memorabilia and, 'I'm Kyle, man, I play on the offensive line.'
"I signed it 'Kyle' but he wouldn't have known either way, I don't think."
Of course it did.
AND FOR DA LAST TIME JAY MCNOWN SHOULD BE DA QUARTERBACK
Names I've actually heard Josh called on the Score this week.
McNown
McCowan (leader in the clubhouse)
McCullough
McCullum
I'll let you know if I hear any more.
You gotta do it for me, Billy.
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kpazvu9qNA1qz7y27o1_400.jpg)
Well CT, Apex is dead! They slit his throat from ear to ear.
I'M TRYIN' TO EAT LUNCH HERE!
Fuck these goddamn gutless fucking assholes.
Also, who does Michael Bush's agent have pictures of? Cut his worthless ass.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 24, 2013, 02:24:10 PM
Fuck these goddamn gutless fucking assholes.
Also, who does Michael Bush's agent have pictures of? Cut his worthless ass.
Someone has to temper their expectations
Quote from: Slaky on November 24, 2013, 09:12:30 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 24, 2013, 02:24:10 PM
Fuck these goddamn gutless fucking assholes.
Also, who does Michael Bush's agent have pictures of? Cut his worthless ass.
Someone has to temper their expectations
Yeah, that's my problem with all of this rage. To be frustrated as shit by the situation is understandable, but if you told any of us before the year that the defense would lose Tillman, Briggs, Melton, Collins, Williams, and Hayden we'd have said "oh, okay. That defense is going to blow."
And yet people seem surprised and enraged that a defensive line that's getting about half it's reps right now from two rookies who played FCS football last year and Shea fucking MacClellin can't stop the run. I mean other than firebarning Conte and Wright, who should be better than what they've been, there's no one on this defense who you can actually be mad at.
Even dumber are the "it wouldn't be like this under Lovie" crowd or the "Phil Emery should have anticipated a biblical plague of injuries on defense and prepared accordingly, because he had time and resources to do that while he was busy fixing the offense." Certainly no one would have rioted if he'd spent time signing and drafting backups and replacements for Peppers and Tillman and the back up to Melton's backup who also suffered a torn ACL instead of fixing the offensive line or replacing Kellen Davis with Martellus Bennett.
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2013, 08:31:27 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 24, 2013, 09:12:30 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 24, 2013, 02:24:10 PM
Fuck these goddamn gutless fucking assholes.
Also, who does Michael Bush's agent have pictures of? Cut his worthless ass.
Someone has to temper their expectations
Yeah, that's my problem with all of this rage. To be frustrated as shit by the situation is understandable, but if you told any of us before the year that the defense would lose Tillman, Briggs, Melton, Collins, Williams, and Hayden we'd have said "oh, okay. That defense is going to blow."
And yet people seem surprised and enraged that a defensive line that's getting about half it's reps right now from two rookies who played FCS football last year and Shea fucking MacClellin can't stop the run. I mean other than firebarning Conte and Wright, who should be better than what they've been, there's no one on this defense who you can actually be mad at.
Even dumber are the "it wouldn't be like this under Lovie" crowd or the "Phil Emery should have anticipated a biblical plague of injuries on defense and prepared accordingly, because he had time and resources to do that while he was busy fixing the offense." Certainly no one would have rioted if he'd spent time signing and drafting backups and replacements for Peppers and Tillman and the back up to Melton's backup who also suffered a torn ACL instead of fixing the offensive line or replacing Kellen Davis with Martellus Bennett.
I think it's fair to blame Emery for Shea Mick Lemon being a bust and for spending a 2nd round pick on Bostic who is out of position on just about every play. But yeah I'd say if we're assessing blame for this defense it's 80% injuries, 15% Angelo not leaving any backup depth and 5% current regime.
Quote from: R-V on November 25, 2013, 08:56:47 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2013, 08:31:27 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 24, 2013, 09:12:30 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 24, 2013, 02:24:10 PM
Fuck these goddamn gutless fucking assholes.
Also, who does Michael Bush's agent have pictures of? Cut his worthless ass.
Someone has to temper their expectations
Yeah, that's my problem with all of this rage. To be frustrated as shit by the situation is understandable, but if you told any of us before the year that the defense would lose Tillman, Briggs, Melton, Collins, Williams, and Hayden we'd have said "oh, okay. That defense is going to blow."
And yet people seem surprised and enraged that a defensive line that's getting about half it's reps right now from two rookies who played FCS football last year and Shea fucking MacClellin can't stop the run. I mean other than firebarning Conte and Wright, who should be better than what they've been, there's no one on this defense who you can actually be mad at.
Even dumber are the "it wouldn't be like this under Lovie" crowd or the "Phil Emery should have anticipated a biblical plague of injuries on defense and prepared accordingly, because he had time and resources to do that while he was busy fixing the offense." Certainly no one would have rioted if he'd spent time signing and drafting backups and replacements for Peppers and Tillman and the back up to Melton's backup who also suffered a torn ACL instead of fixing the offensive line or replacing Kellen Davis with Martellus Bennett.
I think it's fair to blame Emery for Shea Mick Lemon being a bust and for spending a 2nd round pick on Bostic who is out of position on just about every play. But yeah I'd say if we're assessing blame for this defense it's 80% injuries, 15% Angelo not leaving any backup depth and 5% current regime.
McClellin absolutely, but "blaming him" for Bostic seems extremely premature. He's had positive grades from PFF in about half his games, negative in the other. He's talented, fast, and makes some glaring errors in technique. Some round these parts call that a "rookie."
I will say that my faith in Emery will waiver a bit after this year if he keeps up this "Shea is a 3-down DE" farce. A big part of being a good GM is knowing when to admit you fucked up and move on.
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2013, 09:45:22 AM
I will say that my faith in Emery will waiver a bit after this year if he keeps up this "Shea is a 3-down DE" farce. A big part of being a good GM is knowing when to admit you fucked up and move on.
But they certainly won't just cut him, will they? If he is still here next year, and not playing on the line, what is his position? Linebacker?
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2013, 09:45:22 AM
I will say that my faith in Emery will waiver a bit after this year if he keeps up this "Shea is a 3-down DE" farce. A big part of being a good GM is knowing when to admit you fucked up and move on.
He sees it. But I don't know what else he can say right now. It does no good to bad-mouth him. In a best-case scenario, Shea has a couple more flashes of competence like he had at Green Bay and gets traded for a 5-7 rounder to a team that wants to turn him into a 3-4 LB. Worst case, you completely destroy his confidence, get nothing in return and cut him. Let the second part happen organically.
The team's poor showing in the red zone the past couple of weeks would seem to indicate that the quarterback is incapable of making the throws to his big receivers so opponents are intelligently loading up against the run. But yeah, get rid of Cutler and blah blah fuck the meatheads in their own fat fucking faces.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on November 25, 2013, 10:23:00 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2013, 09:45:22 AM
I will say that my faith in Emery will waiver a bit after this year if he keeps up this "Shea is a 3-down DE" farce. A big part of being a good GM is knowing when to admit you fucked up and move on.
But they certainly won't just cut him, will they? If he is still here next year, and not playing on the line, what is his position? Linebacker?
Can he play special teams? I think he could provide depth at DE and contribute on ST.
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 25, 2013, 10:26:05 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2013, 09:45:22 AM
I will say that my faith in Emery will waiver a bit after this year if he keeps up this "Shea is a 3-down DE" farce. A big part of being a good GM is knowing when to admit you fucked up and move on.
He sees it. But I don't know what else he can say right now. It does no good to bad-mouth him. In a best-case scenario, Shea has a couple more flashes of competence like he had at Green Bay and gets traded for a 5-7 rounder to a team that wants to turn him into a 3-4 LB. Worst case, you completely destroy his confidence, get nothing in return and cut him. Let the second part happen organically.
The team's poor showing in the red zone the past couple of weeks would seem to indicate that the quarterback is incapable of making the throws to his big receivers so opponents are intelligently loading up against the run. But yeah, get rid of Cutler and blah blah fuck the meatheads in their own fat fucking faces.
I had the same thought - that the Bears offense on goal-to-go inside the 5 sucked much less with Cutler than it does with McCoughan - can SKO back that up with evidence from his beloved PFF database?
It also doesn't help that Michael Bush contracted polio sometime last summer.
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2013, 08:31:27 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 24, 2013, 09:12:30 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 24, 2013, 02:24:10 PM
Fuck these goddamn gutless fucking assholes.
Also, who does Michael Bush's agent have pictures of? Cut his worthless ass.
Someone has to temper their expectations
Yeah, that's my problem with all of this rage. To be frustrated as shit by the situation is understandable, but if you told any of us before the year that the defense would lose Tillman, Briggs, Melton, Collins, Williams, and Hayden we'd have said "oh, okay. That defense is going to blow."
And yet people seem surprised and enraged that a defensive line that's getting about half it's reps right now from two rookies who played FCS football last year and Shea fucking MacClellin can't stop the run. I mean other than firebarning Conte and Wright, who should be better than what they've been, there's no one on this defense who you can actually be mad at.
Even dumber are the "it wouldn't be like this under Lovie" crowd or the "Phil Emery should have anticipated a biblical plague of injuries on defense and prepared accordingly, because he had time and resources to do that while he was busy fixing the offense." Certainly no one would have rioted if he'd spent time signing and drafting backups and replacements for Peppers and Tillman and the back up to Melton's backup who also suffered a torn ACL instead of fixing the offensive line or replacing Kellen Davis with Martellus Bennett.
Not that I'm moving to "BLAME EMSTINK" on this count, because he's obviously had other more pressing priorities...
And, yeah, losing both Melton and Collins to ACL tears in succession is verging on DRose-worthy wrath of God stuff...
But the rest of those guys are 30+ on a team whose starting defense ranked second oldest in the league on opening day (http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2013/9/14/4730260/nfl-age-rankings-for-week-1-starters). Let's not pretend we're
that shocked by it.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 25, 2013, 10:48:14 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2013, 08:31:27 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 24, 2013, 09:12:30 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 24, 2013, 02:24:10 PM
Fuck these goddamn gutless fucking assholes.
Also, who does Michael Bush's agent have pictures of? Cut his worthless ass.
Someone has to temper their expectations
Yeah, that's my problem with all of this rage. To be frustrated as shit by the situation is understandable, but if you told any of us before the year that the defense would lose Tillman, Briggs, Melton, Collins, Williams, and Hayden we'd have said "oh, okay. That defense is going to blow."
And yet people seem surprised and enraged that a defensive line that's getting about half it's reps right now from two rookies who played FCS football last year and Shea fucking MacClellin can't stop the run. I mean other than firebarning Conte and Wright, who should be better than what they've been, there's no one on this defense who you can actually be mad at.
Even dumber are the "it wouldn't be like this under Lovie" crowd or the "Phil Emery should have anticipated a biblical plague of injuries on defense and prepared accordingly, because he had time and resources to do that while he was busy fixing the offense." Certainly no one would have rioted if he'd spent time signing and drafting backups and replacements for Peppers and Tillman and the back up to Melton's backup who also suffered a torn ACL instead of fixing the offensive line or replacing Kellen Davis with Martellus Bennett.
Not that I'm moving to "BLAME EMSTINK" on this count, because he's obviously had other more pressing priorities...
And, yeah, losing both Melton and Collins to ACL tears in succession is verging on DRose-worthy wrath of God stuff...
But the rest of those guys are 30+ on a team whose starting defense ranked second oldest in the league on opening day (http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2013/9/14/4730260/nfl-age-rankings-for-week-1-starters). Let's not pretend we're that shocked by it.
Not shocked by old players getting hurt, shocked by people saying Emery should have prepared for it. He was banking on one more year out of Jerry's fading stars because really he had no other choice.
Hell, most of the people bitching that Emery should have addressed not only the offensive line and TE positions but also somehow invented extra draft picks and cap room to load up on "depth" behind the aging stars on defense were the same ones complaining about how disrespectful he was back in the offseason to not even broach the subject of contract extensions. Imagine how bleak and depressing this team's outlook would be if he'd just handed out extensions to Tillman, Melton, Wright, etc.
Quote from: R-V on November 25, 2013, 08:56:47 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 25, 2013, 08:31:27 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 24, 2013, 09:12:30 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 24, 2013, 02:24:10 PM
Fuck these goddamn gutless fucking assholes.
Also, who does Michael Bush's agent have pictures of? Cut his worthless ass.
Someone has to temper their expectations
Yeah, that's my problem with all of this rage. To be frustrated as shit by the situation is understandable, but if you told any of us before the year that the defense would lose Tillman, Briggs, Melton, Collins, Williams, and Hayden we'd have said "oh, okay. That defense is going to blow."
And yet people seem surprised and enraged that a defensive line that's getting about half it's reps right now from two rookies who played FCS football last year and Shea fucking MacClellin can't stop the run. I mean other than firebarning Conte and Wright, who should be better than what they've been, there's no one on this defense who you can actually be mad at.
Even dumber are the "it wouldn't be like this under Lovie" crowd or the "Phil Emery should have anticipated a biblical plague of injuries on defense and prepared accordingly, because he had time and resources to do that while he was busy fixing the offense." Certainly no one would have rioted if he'd spent time signing and drafting backups and replacements for Peppers and Tillman and the back up to Melton's backup who also suffered a torn ACL instead of fixing the offensive line or replacing Kellen Davis with Martellus Bennett.
I think it's fair to blame Emery for Shea Mick Lemon being a bust and for spending a 2nd round pick on Bostic who is out of position on just about every play. But yeah I'd say if we're assessing blame for this defense it's 80% injuries, 15% Angelo not leaving any backup depth and 5% current regime.
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Fire Trestink
I'm trying to figure out why in the fucking hell the Bears made no attempt to run the clock down on the three-and-out with three minutes left. They ran a fucking play with like 20 seconds left on the play clock and then punted with at least 15 seconds remaining.
Jesus, get Quenneville on the sideline if we want a coach from Canada.
You know you're having a bad coaching day when:
a) Leslie Frazier outcoaches you.
b) Lovie Smith and Dave Wannstedt think you're having a bad day.
ps: Was Trestman going for the rouge in OT? It's the only reason I can come up with going for a 47-yard field goal in OT. On second down.
Quote from: pisomojado8 on December 02, 2013, 07:23:05 AM
You know you're having a bad coaching day when:
a) Leslie Frazier outcoaches you.
b) Lovie Smith and Dave Wannstedt think you're having a bad day.
ps: Was Trestman going for the rouge in OT? It's the only reason I can come up with going for a 47-yard field goal in OT. On second down.
Something Paul. Something something douche.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 02, 2013, 07:44:37 AM
Quote from: pisomojado8 on December 02, 2013, 07:23:05 AM
You know you're having a bad coaching day when:
a) Leslie Frazier outcoaches you.
b) Lovie Smith and Dave Wannstedt think you're having a bad day.
ps: Was Trestman going for the rouge in OT? It's the only reason I can come up with going for a 47-yard field goal in OT. On second down.
Something Paul. Something something douche.
no
I turned off my feed after Walsh's first field goal thinking the game was over. Didn't know about the flag. Didn't know about the rest of the overtime batshittedness until about one minute ago. I was satisfied enough with my belief that poor tackling and missed throws by the backup quarterback had cost them the game. I had already dealt with my depression and moved on, go Heat and all that. Robbie really missed a 47-yarder indoors? On second down?
Now I don't know if I want to live in this world. May take a vacation to Norway or something.
Quote from: Yeti on December 02, 2013, 08:25:47 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 02, 2013, 07:44:37 AM
Quote from: pisomojado8 on December 02, 2013, 07:23:05 AM
You know you're having a bad coaching day when:
a) Leslie Frazier outcoaches you.
b) Lovie Smith and Dave Wannstedt think you're having a bad day.
ps: Was Trestman going for the rouge in OT? It's the only reason I can come up with going for a 47-yard field goal in OT. On second down.
Something Paul. Something something douche.
no
Well it's what happened last time.
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 25, 2013, 12:12:54 PM
Quote from: pisomojado8 on June 25, 2013, 12:00:13 PM
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/20958548-573/carlos-marmol-designated-for-assignment-by-cubs.html (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/20958548-573/carlos-marmol-designated-for-assignment-by-cubs.html)
Another Carlos. Gone.
Silence, Paul. Thou art a Deutschmark.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 02, 2013, 09:20:13 AM
Quote from: Yeti on December 02, 2013, 08:25:47 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 02, 2013, 07:44:37 AM
Quote from: pisomojado8 on December 02, 2013, 07:23:05 AM
You know you're having a bad coaching day when:
a) Leslie Frazier outcoaches you.
b) Lovie Smith and Dave Wannstedt think you're having a bad day.
ps: Was Trestman going for the rouge in OT? It's the only reason I can come up with going for a 47-yard field goal in OT. On second down.
Something Paul. Something something douche.
no
Well it's what happened last time.
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 25, 2013, 12:12:54 PM
Quote from: pisomojado8 on June 25, 2013, 12:00:13 PM
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/20958548-573/carlos-marmol-designated-for-assignment-by-cubs.html (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/20958548-573/carlos-marmol-designated-for-assignment-by-cubs.html)
Another Carlos. Gone.
Silence, Paul. Thou art a Deutschmark.
Sort of.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 02, 2013, 09:20:13 AM
Quote from: Yeti on December 02, 2013, 08:25:47 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 02, 2013, 07:44:37 AM
Quote from: pisomojado8 on December 02, 2013, 07:23:05 AM
You know you're having a bad coaching day when:
a) Leslie Frazier outcoaches you.
b) Lovie Smith and Dave Wannstedt think you're having a bad day.
ps: Was Trestman going for the rouge in OT? It's the only reason I can come up with going for a 47-yard field goal in OT. On second down.
Something Paul. Something something douche.
no
Well it's what happened last time.
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 25, 2013, 12:12:54 PM
Quote from: pisomojado8 on June 25, 2013, 12:00:13 PM
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/20958548-573/carlos-marmol-designated-for-assignment-by-cubs.html (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/20958548-573/carlos-marmol-designated-for-assignment-by-cubs.html)
Another Carlos. Gone.
Silence, Paul. Thou art a Deutschmark.
Trying to cozy up to Ape?
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 02, 2013, 09:05:00 AM
I turned off my feed after Walsh's first field goal thinking the game was over. Didn't know about the flag. Didn't know about the rest of the overtime batshittedness until about one minute ago. I was satisfied enough with my belief that poor tackling and missed throws by the backup quarterback had cost them the game. I had already dealt with my depression and moved on, go Heat and all that. Robbie really missed a 47-yarder indoors? On second down?
Now I don't know if I want to live in this world. May take a vacation to Norway or something.
I've heard Bøttpøddle's nice this time of year.
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There is still hope that Cutler returns next week, the Bears run the table, finish 10-6, make the playoffs (or don't) and every meatball in the city gets fucked in his or her own face before dying slowly of buttcancer of the mouth.
This is all we have left, our dignity merely a figment of our lame cunt imaginations.
Failing that, Ditka gets his number retired next Monday. I'm pretty pumped for that.
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LOL
Quote from: Yeti on December 02, 2013, 10:31:54 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 02, 2013, 09:20:13 AM
Quote from: Yeti on December 02, 2013, 08:25:47 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 02, 2013, 07:44:37 AM
Quote from: pisomojado8 on December 02, 2013, 07:23:05 AM
You know you're having a bad coaching day when:
a) Leslie Frazier outcoaches you.
b) Lovie Smith and Dave Wannstedt think you're having a bad day.
ps: Was Trestman going for the rouge in OT? It's the only reason I can come up with going for a 47-yard field goal in OT. On second down.
Something Paul. Something something douche.
no
Well it's what happened last time.
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 25, 2013, 12:12:54 PM
Quote from: pisomojado8 on June 25, 2013, 12:00:13 PM
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/20958548-573/carlos-marmol-designated-for-assignment-by-cubs.html (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/20958548-573/carlos-marmol-designated-for-assignment-by-cubs.html)
Another Carlos. Gone.
Silence, Paul. Thou art a Deutschmark.
Trying to cozy up to Ape?
If you are looking for someone to blame for the loss, don't blame Trestman, blame whoever it was who knocked Ponder out of the game.
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Aside from the shitty pshop, I liked it, but it's also because my favorite blogger has, once again, checked out. WTF, SKO?
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Call him Jeffries just out of spite.
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I think it's more...
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Something something Sam Hurd?
Quote from: Tonker on December 02, 2013, 10:35:54 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 02, 2013, 09:05:00 AM
I turned off my feed after Walsh's first field goal thinking the game was over. Didn't know about the flag. Didn't know about the rest of the overtime batshittedness until about one minute ago. I was satisfied enough with my belief that poor tackling and missed throws by the backup quarterback had cost them the game. I had already dealt with my depression and moved on, go Heat and all that. Robbie really missed a 47-yarder indoors? On second down?
Now I don't know if I want to live in this world. May take a vacation to Norway or something.
I've heard Bøttpøddle's nice this time of year.
It isn't
I'm disappointed in Trestman. I thought he was going to be the coolly analytical meatball anti-matter that this town needed after years of Ditka orangeface Wanny aaaapppp Russ Grimm I'm a meatandpotatas Lovie beating the Packers is my #1 goal. Then he runs up the middle TWICE on 2nd and 3rd & 1 when the Bears have shown no indication of converting in short yardage. Then the panic move of kicking on 2nd down just because something weird happened to the Vikings earlier. That's not the Marc that's made my slacks swell this season. Boourns.
For the record, Yeti, I ain't checked out. I was at this goddamn shitstain of a game. I like Trestman a lot as a coach on a macro level. I like his systems, I like his approach, I like the way his players respond to him. I want to believe, in the long run, with better luck, that this will all work out.
But if he keeps playing things by his emotions, be it "well I'm going to run it up the gut on a 2 pt conversion against the Lions despite us having gained 38 rushing yards on 20 fucking carries because HURR I BELIEVE IN OUR GUYS" and now "I was scared of a penalty like what happened against the Vikings happening to us on the next fucking series even though we've been penalized once on offense all fucking game"...he'll end up like Norv Turner, always managing to find some way to undo all of the good he's done with a fucking stupid ass decision in a big moment. Meatball or no, sometimes football games are won and lost on decisions by head coaches, and he's fucked up several lately. It's discouraging, but hopefully he'll learn from it.
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I was going to post the exact same thing.
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I was going to post the exact same thing.
I wasn't.
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 02, 2013, 02:50:33 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 02, 2013, 02:44:41 PM
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I was going to post the exact same thing.
I wasn't.
I'm considering both of these last two responses a victory.
*marks internet notebook.*
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I was going to post the exact same thing.
Good. The more that GIF is posted, the better. Thank you.
Trestink is terrible. :0(
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/84347/thank-you-for-not-coaching-week-13
If any part of their reasoning to kick the field goal before 4th down is to get a second chance at it if there's a bad snap, why do they have a roster spot devoted to a long snapper? Mannelly never fucks up a snap, so there is even less reason to kick early.
Quote from: Tony on December 03, 2013, 11:30:34 PM
If any part of their reasoning to kick the field goal before 4th down is to get a second chance at it if there's a bad snap, why do they have a roster spot devoted to a long snapper? Mannelly never fucks up a snap, so there is even less reason to kick early.
And as pointed out on Boers & Bernstein yesterday, if there WAS a bad snap and they had to fall on the ball at, say, the 40, they'd be out of field goal range on 3rd down.
I think we just need to chalk this up to Trestman shitting his culottes and hope he learns from it.
Quote from: R-V on December 04, 2013, 08:45:30 AM
Quote from: Tony on December 03, 2013, 11:30:34 PM
If any part of their reasoning to kick the field goal before 4th down is to get a second chance at it if there's a bad snap, why do they have a roster spot devoted to a long snapper? Mannelly never fucks up a snap, so there is even less reason to kick early.
And as pointed out on Boers & Bernstein yesterday, if there WAS a bad snap and they had to fall on the ball at, say, the 40, they'd be out of field goal range on 3rd down.
Devil's avocado here, Larry. Taking that into account, kicking the try on 2nd down
does at least make more sense than doing it on 3rd down, as you'd still have a down to gain some of that back before kicking it on 4th, right?
Still dumb... so dumb.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 04, 2013, 08:51:03 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 04, 2013, 08:45:30 AM
Quote from: Tony on December 03, 2013, 11:30:34 PM
If any part of their reasoning to kick the field goal before 4th down is to get a second chance at it if there's a bad snap, why do they have a roster spot devoted to a long snapper? Mannelly never fucks up a snap, so there is even less reason to kick early.
And as pointed out on Boers & Bernstein yesterday, if there WAS a bad snap and they had to fall on the ball at, say, the 40, they'd be out of field goal range on 3rd down.
Devil's avocado here, Larry. Taking that into account, kicking the try on 2nd down does at least make more sense than doing it on 3rd down, as you'd still have a down to gain some of that back before kicking it on 4th, right?
Still dumb... so dumb.
Let's chalk it up to a learning experience and wait to see if he does it again.
Or let's just not watch the Bears until next year. Either way.
Quote from: Slaky on December 04, 2013, 08:58:49 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 04, 2013, 08:51:03 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 04, 2013, 08:45:30 AM
Quote from: Tony on December 03, 2013, 11:30:34 PM
If any part of their reasoning to kick the field goal before 4th down is to get a second chance at it if there's a bad snap, why do they have a roster spot devoted to a long snapper? Mannelly never fucks up a snap, so there is even less reason to kick early.
And as pointed out on Boers & Bernstein yesterday, if there WAS a bad snap and they had to fall on the ball at, say, the 40, they'd be out of field goal range on 3rd down.
Devil's avocado here, Larry. Taking that into account, kicking the try on 2nd down does at least make more sense than doing it on 3rd down, as you'd still have a down to gain some of that back before kicking it on 4th, right?
Still dumb... so dumb.
Let's chalk it up to a learning experience and wait to see if he does it again.
Or let's just not watch the Bears until next year. Either way.
I've tried and I just can't not watch. The trainwreck took it's time to materialize but the engineer is snoozing at long last.
And...
If Cutler returns and puts 400, 4 and 0 up against the Cowboys AND they give the mic to Ditka so he can go, "BAABABBBABBABAAAAABBBAAA....111!!!!!!!" at halftime, I'm back in.
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 04, 2013, 09:31:39 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 04, 2013, 08:58:49 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 04, 2013, 08:51:03 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 04, 2013, 08:45:30 AM
Quote from: Tony on December 03, 2013, 11:30:34 PM
If any part of their reasoning to kick the field goal before 4th down is to get a second chance at it if there's a bad snap, why do they have a roster spot devoted to a long snapper? Mannelly never fucks up a snap, so there is even less reason to kick early.
And as pointed out on Boers & Bernstein yesterday, if there WAS a bad snap and they had to fall on the ball at, say, the 40, they'd be out of field goal range on 3rd down.
Devil's avocado here, Larry. Taking that into account, kicking the try on 2nd down does at least make more sense than doing it on 3rd down, as you'd still have a down to gain some of that back before kicking it on 4th, right?
Still dumb... so dumb.
Let's chalk it up to a learning experience and wait to see if he does it again.
Or let's just not watch the Bears until next year. Either way.
I've tried and I just can't not watch. The trainwreck took it's time to materialize but the engineer is snoozing at long last.
And...
If Cutler returns and puts 400, 4 and 0 up against the Cowboys AND they give the mic to Ditka so he can go, "BAABABBBABBABAAAAABBBAAA....111!!!!!!!" at halftime, I'm back in.
I was honestly hoping Trestman would say "I had a CFL flashback, thought we only had 3 downs, and it won't happen again." I'd have accepted that over just about anything he's said.
Either way I feel bad for screaming in front of a bunch of Minnesotans who were utterly appalled by my profanity that he should took "take his fucking genius ass back to Canada". I'm not well.
Quote from: SKO on December 04, 2013, 02:36:35 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 04, 2013, 09:31:39 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 04, 2013, 08:58:49 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 04, 2013, 08:51:03 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 04, 2013, 08:45:30 AM
Quote from: Tony on December 03, 2013, 11:30:34 PM
If any part of their reasoning to kick the field goal before 4th down is to get a second chance at it if there's a bad snap, why do they have a roster spot devoted to a long snapper? Mannelly never fucks up a snap, so there is even less reason to kick early.
And as pointed out on Boers & Bernstein yesterday, if there WAS a bad snap and they had to fall on the ball at, say, the 40, they'd be out of field goal range on 3rd down.
Devil's avocado here, Larry. Taking that into account, kicking the try on 2nd down does at least make more sense than doing it on 3rd down, as you'd still have a down to gain some of that back before kicking it on 4th, right?
Still dumb... so dumb.
Let's chalk it up to a learning experience and wait to see if he does it again.
Or let's just not watch the Bears until next year. Either way.
I've tried and I just can't not watch. The trainwreck took it's time to materialize but the engineer is snoozing at long last.
And...
If Cutler returns and puts 400, 4 and 0 up against the Cowboys AND they give the mic to Ditka so he can go, "BAABABBBABBABAAAAABBBAAA....111!!!!!!!" at halftime, I'm back in.
I was honestly hoping Trestman would say "I had a CFL flashback, thought we only had 3 downs, and it won't happen again." I'd have accepted that over just about anything he's said.
Either way I feel bad for screaming in front of a bunch of Minnesotans who were utterly appalled by my profanity that he should took "take his fucking genius ass back to Canada". I'm not well.
We get it, you were at the game and yelled.
Quote from: Yeti on December 04, 2013, 03:40:59 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 04, 2013, 02:36:35 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 04, 2013, 09:31:39 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 04, 2013, 08:58:49 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 04, 2013, 08:51:03 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 04, 2013, 08:45:30 AM
Quote from: Tony on December 03, 2013, 11:30:34 PM
If any part of their reasoning to kick the field goal before 4th down is to get a second chance at it if there's a bad snap, why do they have a roster spot devoted to a long snapper? Mannelly never fucks up a snap, so there is even less reason to kick early.
And as pointed out on Boers & Bernstein yesterday, if there WAS a bad snap and they had to fall on the ball at, say, the 40, they'd be out of field goal range on 3rd down.
Devil's avocado here, Larry. Taking that into account, kicking the try on 2nd down does at least make more sense than doing it on 3rd down, as you'd still have a down to gain some of that back before kicking it on 4th, right?
Still dumb... so dumb.
Let's chalk it up to a learning experience and wait to see if he does it again.
Or let's just not watch the Bears until next year. Either way.
I've tried and I just can't not watch. The trainwreck took it's time to materialize but the engineer is snoozing at long last.
And...
If Cutler returns and puts 400, 4 and 0 up against the Cowboys AND they give the mic to Ditka so he can go, "BAABABBBABBABAAAAABBBAAA....111!!!!!!!" at halftime, I'm back in.
I was honestly hoping Trestman would say "I had a CFL flashback, thought we only had 3 downs, and it won't happen again." I'd have accepted that over just about anything he's said.
Either way I feel bad for screaming in front of a bunch of Minnesotans who were utterly appalled by my profanity that he should took "take his fucking genius ass back to Canada". I'm not well.
We get it, you were at the game and yelled.
Can you say "we get it" on the first reference to something?
Quote from: Eli on December 04, 2013, 04:40:34 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 04, 2013, 03:40:59 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 04, 2013, 02:36:35 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 04, 2013, 09:31:39 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 04, 2013, 08:58:49 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 04, 2013, 08:51:03 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 04, 2013, 08:45:30 AM
Quote from: Tony on December 03, 2013, 11:30:34 PM
If any part of their reasoning to kick the field goal before 4th down is to get a second chance at it if there's a bad snap, why do they have a roster spot devoted to a long snapper? Mannelly never fucks up a snap, so there is even less reason to kick early.
And as pointed out on Boers & Bernstein yesterday, if there WAS a bad snap and they had to fall on the ball at, say, the 40, they'd be out of field goal range on 3rd down.
Devil's avocado here, Larry. Taking that into account, kicking the try on 2nd down does at least make more sense than doing it on 3rd down, as you'd still have a down to gain some of that back before kicking it on 4th, right?
Still dumb... so dumb.
Let's chalk it up to a learning experience and wait to see if he does it again.
Or let's just not watch the Bears until next year. Either way.
I've tried and I just can't not watch. The trainwreck took it's time to materialize but the engineer is snoozing at long last.
And...
If Cutler returns and puts 400, 4 and 0 up against the Cowboys AND they give the mic to Ditka so he can go, "BAABABBBABBABAAAAABBBAAA....111!!!!!!!" at halftime, I'm back in.
I was honestly hoping Trestman would say "I had a CFL flashback, thought we only had 3 downs, and it won't happen again." I'd have accepted that over just about anything he's said.
Either way I feel bad for screaming in front of a bunch of Minnesotans who were utterly appalled by my profanity that he should took "take his fucking genius ass back to Canada". I'm not well.
We get it, you were at the game and yelled.
Can you say "we get it" on the first reference to something?
I mentioned it in the shoutbox, Eli, therefore it is impermissible on Desipio.
Quote from: SKO on December 04, 2013, 04:42:31 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 04, 2013, 04:40:34 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 04, 2013, 03:40:59 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 04, 2013, 02:36:35 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 04, 2013, 09:31:39 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 04, 2013, 08:58:49 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 04, 2013, 08:51:03 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 04, 2013, 08:45:30 AM
Quote from: Tony on December 03, 2013, 11:30:34 PM
If any part of their reasoning to kick the field goal before 4th down is to get a second chance at it if there's a bad snap, why do they have a roster spot devoted to a long snapper? Mannelly never fucks up a snap, so there is even less reason to kick early.
And as pointed out on Boers & Bernstein yesterday, if there WAS a bad snap and they had to fall on the ball at, say, the 40, they'd be out of field goal range on 3rd down.
Devil's avocado here, Larry. Taking that into account, kicking the try on 2nd down does at least make more sense than doing it on 3rd down, as you'd still have a down to gain some of that back before kicking it on 4th, right?
Still dumb... so dumb.
Let's chalk it up to a learning experience and wait to see if he does it again.
Or let's just not watch the Bears until next year. Either way.
I've tried and I just can't not watch. The trainwreck took it's time to materialize but the engineer is snoozing at long last.
And...
If Cutler returns and puts 400, 4 and 0 up against the Cowboys AND they give the mic to Ditka so he can go, "BAABABBBABBABAAAAABBBAAA....111!!!!!!!" at halftime, I'm back in.
I was honestly hoping Trestman would say "I had a CFL flashback, thought we only had 3 downs, and it won't happen again." I'd have accepted that over just about anything he's said.
Either way I feel bad for screaming in front of a bunch of Minnesotans who were utterly appalled by my profanity that he should took "take his fucking genius ass back to Canada". I'm not well.
We get it, you were at the game and yelled.
Can you say "we get it" on the first reference to something?
I mentioned it in the shoutbox, Eli, therefore it is impermissible on Desipio.
There's a thread around here that gets bumped when stuff like this happens. But the important thing to know is whether or not TDubbs is impressed with Yeti's assholish behavior.
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 04, 2013, 04:56:40 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 04, 2013, 04:42:31 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 04, 2013, 04:40:34 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 04, 2013, 03:40:59 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 04, 2013, 02:36:35 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 04, 2013, 09:31:39 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 04, 2013, 08:58:49 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 04, 2013, 08:51:03 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 04, 2013, 08:45:30 AM
Quote from: Tony on December 03, 2013, 11:30:34 PM
If any part of their reasoning to kick the field goal before 4th down is to get a second chance at it if there's a bad snap, why do they have a roster spot devoted to a long snapper? Mannelly never fucks up a snap, so there is even less reason to kick early.
And as pointed out on Boers & Bernstein yesterday, if there WAS a bad snap and they had to fall on the ball at, say, the 40, they'd be out of field goal range on 3rd down.
Devil's avocado here, Larry. Taking that into account, kicking the try on 2nd down does at least make more sense than doing it on 3rd down, as you'd still have a down to gain some of that back before kicking it on 4th, right?
Still dumb... so dumb.
Let's chalk it up to a learning experience and wait to see if he does it again.
Or let's just not watch the Bears until next year. Either way.
I've tried and I just can't not watch. The trainwreck took it's time to materialize but the engineer is snoozing at long last.
And...
If Cutler returns and puts 400, 4 and 0 up against the Cowboys AND they give the mic to Ditka so he can go, "BAABABBBABBABAAAAABBBAAA....111!!!!!!!" at halftime, I'm back in.
I was honestly hoping Trestman would say "I had a CFL flashback, thought we only had 3 downs, and it won't happen again." I'd have accepted that over just about anything he's said.
Either way I feel bad for screaming in front of a bunch of Minnesotans who were utterly appalled by my profanity that he should took "take his fucking genius ass back to Canada". I'm not well.
We get it, you were at the game and yelled.
Can you say "we get it" on the first reference to something?
I mentioned it in the shoutbox, Eli, therefore it is impermissible on Desipio.
There's a thread around here that gets bumped when stuff like this happens. But the important thing to know is whether or not TDubbs is impressed with Yeti's assholish behavior.
kinda
Guilty autograph signer Helen Huntermeyer's startup gets some interwebs love. (http://kotaku.com/a-retired-nfl-pro-skips-the-autograph-line-for-a-call-o-1478532342)
FUCK DALLAS MY FRENTS
This might be my favorite system of football I've seen this season. Better save this one. I can feel the football growing (||).
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 09, 2013, 10:32:50 PM
This might be my favorite system of football I've seen this season. Better save this one. I can feel the football growing (||).
Make sure you protect the precious ball during the tumescent growth phase.
Who have McCown's Bears beaten that's worth a shit?
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 10, 2013, 03:33:06 PM
Who have McCown's Bears beaten that's worth a shit?
They've lost to three teams that are definitely not worth any shit.
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 10, 2013, 03:33:06 PM
Who have McCown's Bears beaten that's worth a shit?
You can only beat the team that's in front of you, son.
Quote from: Fork on December 11, 2013, 11:36:28 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 10, 2013, 03:33:06 PM
Who have McCown's Bears beaten that's worth a shit?
You can only beat the team that's in front of you, son.
Except for the times you can't.
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 11, 2013, 11:42:23 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 11, 2013, 11:36:28 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 10, 2013, 03:33:06 PM
Who have McCown's Bears beaten that's worth a shit?
You can only beat the team that's in front of you, son.
Except for the times you can't.
That's when you establish the run to set up play action.
Quote from: Fork on December 11, 2013, 01:16:18 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 11, 2013, 11:42:23 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 11, 2013, 11:36:28 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 10, 2013, 03:33:06 PM
Who have McCown's Bears beaten that's worth a shit?
You can only beat the team that's in front of you, son.
Except for the times you can't.
That's when you establish the run to set up play action.
Then you're more than 60% of the way to being on first down already.
This is absolutely staggering.
Quote from: Bort on December 11, 2013, 01:59:36 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 11, 2013, 01:16:18 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 11, 2013, 11:42:23 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 11, 2013, 11:36:28 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 10, 2013, 03:33:06 PM
Who have McCown's Bears beaten that's worth a shit?
You can only beat the team that's in front of you, son.
Except for the times you can't.
That's when you establish the run to set up play action.
Then you're more than 60% of the way to being on first down already.
This is absolutely staggering.
Sports for the Layperson: Complex Sports Concepts Boiled Down to Their Essence (Not Literally Boiled Down, That's a Metaphor (a Concept I Also Explain in the Book)) by Gil Gunderson.
Quote from: R-V on December 11, 2013, 03:36:46 PM
Quote from: Bort on December 11, 2013, 01:59:36 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 11, 2013, 01:16:18 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 11, 2013, 11:42:23 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 11, 2013, 11:36:28 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 10, 2013, 03:33:06 PM
Who have McCown's Bears beaten that's worth a shit?
You can only beat the team that's in front of you, son.
Except for the times you can't.
That's when you establish the run to set up play action.
Then you're more than 60% of the way to being on first down already.
This is absolutely staggering.
Sports for the Layperson: Complex Sports Concepts Boiled Down to Their Essence (Not Literally Boiled Down, That's a Metaphor (a Concept I Also Explain in the Book)) by Gil Gunderson.
I LOL'd.
Quote from: R-V on December 11, 2013, 03:36:46 PM
Quote from: Bort on December 11, 2013, 01:59:36 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 11, 2013, 01:16:18 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 11, 2013, 11:42:23 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 11, 2013, 11:36:28 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 10, 2013, 03:33:06 PM
Who have McCown's Bears beaten that's worth a shit?
You can only beat the team that's in front of you, son.
Except for the times you can't.
That's when you establish the run to set up play action.
Then you're more than 60% of the way to being on first down already.
This is absolutely staggering.
Sports for the Layperson: Complex Sports Concepts Boiled Down to Their Essence (Not Literally Boiled Down, That's a Metaphor (a Concept I Also Explain in the Book)) by Gil Gunderson.
Nicely done.
Quote from: SKO on December 11, 2013, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 11, 2013, 03:36:46 PM
Quote from: Bort on December 11, 2013, 01:59:36 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 11, 2013, 01:16:18 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 11, 2013, 11:42:23 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 11, 2013, 11:36:28 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 10, 2013, 03:33:06 PM
Who have McCown's Bears beaten that's worth a shit?
You can only beat the team that's in front of you, son.
Except for the times you can't.
That's when you establish the run to set up play action.
Then you're more than 60% of the way to being on first down already.
This is absolutely staggering.
Sports for the Layperson: Complex Sports Concepts Boiled Down to Their Essence (Not Literally Boiled Down, That's a Metaphor (a Concept I Also Explain in the Book)) by Gil Gunderson.
I LOL'd.
As did I.
Quote from: Bort on December 11, 2013, 10:31:03 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 11, 2013, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 11, 2013, 03:36:46 PM
Quote from: Bort on December 11, 2013, 01:59:36 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 11, 2013, 01:16:18 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 11, 2013, 11:42:23 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 11, 2013, 11:36:28 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 10, 2013, 03:33:06 PM
Who have McCown's Bears beaten that's worth a shit?
You can only beat the team that's in front of you, son.
Except for the times you can't.
That's when you establish the run to set up play action.
Then you're more than 60% of the way to being on first down already.
This is absolutely staggering.
Sports for the Layperson: Complex Sports Concepts Boiled Down to Their Essence (Not Literally Boiled Down, That's a Metaphor (a Concept I Also Explain in the Book)) by Gil Gunderson.
I LOL'd.
As did I.
That is a very funny way to start my day. Nicely done.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on December 12, 2013, 08:58:41 AM
Quote from: Bort on December 11, 2013, 10:31:03 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 11, 2013, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 11, 2013, 03:36:46 PM
Quote from: Bort on December 11, 2013, 01:59:36 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 11, 2013, 01:16:18 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 11, 2013, 11:42:23 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 11, 2013, 11:36:28 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 10, 2013, 03:33:06 PM
Who have McCown's Bears beaten that's worth a shit?
You can only beat the team that's in front of you, son.
Except for the times you can't.
That's when you establish the run to set up play action.
Then you're more than 60% of the way to being on first down already.
This is absolutely staggering.
Sports for the Layperson: Complex Sports Concepts Boiled Down to Their Essence (Not Literally Boiled Down, That's a Metaphor (a Concept I Also Explain in the Book)) by Gil Gunderson.
I LOL'd.
As did I.
That is a very funny way to start my day. Nicely done.
Which you started 60% of the way home.
Quote from: Fork on December 12, 2013, 11:36:00 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on December 12, 2013, 08:58:41 AM
Quote from: Bort on December 11, 2013, 10:31:03 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 11, 2013, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 11, 2013, 03:36:46 PM
Quote from: Bort on December 11, 2013, 01:59:36 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 11, 2013, 01:16:18 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 11, 2013, 11:42:23 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 11, 2013, 11:36:28 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 10, 2013, 03:33:06 PM
Who have McCown's Bears beaten that's worth a shit?
You can only beat the team that's in front of you, son.
Except for the times you can't.
That's when you establish the run to set up play action.
Then you're more than 60% of the way to being on first down already.
This is absolutely staggering.
Sports for the Layperson: Complex Sports Concepts Boiled Down to Their Essence (Not Literally Boiled Down, That's a Metaphor (a Concept I Also Explain in the Book)) by Gil Gunderson.
I LOL'd.
As did I.
That is a very funny way to start my day. Nicely done.
Which you started 60% of the way home.
Pretty sure the joke is supposed to be "which you started 60% of the way to work."
Since you start at home and then go on to work (or first base.)
I hate myself.
Quote from: PenFoe on December 12, 2013, 12:54:07 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 12, 2013, 11:36:00 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on December 12, 2013, 08:58:41 AM
Quote from: Bort on December 11, 2013, 10:31:03 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 11, 2013, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 11, 2013, 03:36:46 PM
Quote from: Bort on December 11, 2013, 01:59:36 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 11, 2013, 01:16:18 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 11, 2013, 11:42:23 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 11, 2013, 11:36:28 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 10, 2013, 03:33:06 PM
Who have McCown's Bears beaten that's worth a shit?
You can only beat the team that's in front of you, son.
Except for the times you can't.
That's when you establish the run to set up play action.
Then you're more than 60% of the way to being on first down already.
This is absolutely staggering.
Sports for the Layperson: Complex Sports Concepts Boiled Down to Their Essence (Not Literally Boiled Down, That's a Metaphor (a Concept I Also Explain in the Book)) by Gil Gunderson.
I LOL'd.
As did I.
That is a very funny way to start my day. Nicely done.
Which you started 60% of the way home.
Pretty sure the joke is supposed to be "which you started 60% of the way to work."
Since you start at home and then go on to work (or first base.)
I hate myself.
The only problem with RV's title is that Gil would have to then call himself out for using "literally" instead of "figuratively"
Quote from: SKO on December 12, 2013, 12:54:48 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 12, 2013, 12:54:07 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 12, 2013, 11:36:00 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on December 12, 2013, 08:58:41 AM
Quote from: Bort on December 11, 2013, 10:31:03 PM
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Quote from: Bort on December 11, 2013, 01:59:36 PM
Quote from: Fork on December 11, 2013, 01:16:18 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 11, 2013, 11:42:23 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 11, 2013, 11:36:28 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 10, 2013, 03:33:06 PM
Who have McCown's Bears beaten that's worth a shit?
You can only beat the team that's in front of you, son.
Except for the times you can't.
That's when you establish the run to set up play action.
Then you're more than 60% of the way to being on first down already.
This is absolutely staggering.
Sports for the Layperson: Complex Sports Concepts Boiled Down to Their Essence (Not Literally Boiled Down, That's a Metaphor (a Concept I Also Explain in the Book)) by Gil Gunderson.
I LOL'd.
As did I.
That is a very funny way to start my day. Nicely done.
Which you started 60% of the way home.
Pretty sure the joke is supposed to be "which you started 60% of the way to work."
Since you start at home and then go on to work (or first base.)
I hate myself.
The only problem with RV's title is that Gil would have to then call himself out for using "literally" instead of "figuratively"
No, he clarifies that he doesn't mean literally.
Lance Briggs was on the practice field today according to Zaidman. Don't know if he literally practiced football or not. That part wasn't clear.
Sounds like Cutler is a go for Sunday. I haven't been this nervous for a professional football game in several weeks.
If Jay throws an interception on Sunday it's going to be a meatball apocalypse.
Or maybe when he throws his first interception.
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2013, 01:29:55 PM
If Jay throws an interception on Sunday it's going to be a meatball apocalypse.
Or maybe when he throws his first interception.
There's probably going to be FAR too much weight put on these next few games, regarding Cutler's future.
Granted, that's what happens when you've played 5 uneven years, but still the opportunity for overreaction is off the charts.
Quote from: PenFoe on December 12, 2013, 01:37:33 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2013, 01:29:55 PM
If Jay throws an interception on Sunday it's going to be a meatball apocalypse.
Or maybe when he throws his first interception.
There's probably going to be FAR too much weight put on these next few games, regarding Cutler's future.
Granted, that's what happens when you've played 5 uneven years, but still the opportunity for overreaction is off the charts.
It doesn't help that McCown's last start came against the #32 ranked defense in the NFL, and Cutler will be going against the #7 Browns. Even if he throws for a 240 yards and 2 TDs with a 95 rating or whatever that will still look bad in comparison to the THREE STRAIGHT 300 YARD GAMES FOR THE FIRST TIME EVAR (against the Rams, Vikings, and Cowboys. Hey did we mention he lost two of those games?) JOSH MCCOWEN.
Quote from: SKO on December 12, 2013, 02:40:24 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 12, 2013, 01:37:33 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2013, 01:29:55 PM
If Jay throws an interception on Sunday it's going to be a meatball apocalypse.
Or maybe when he throws his first interception.
There's probably going to be FAR too much weight put on these next few games, regarding Cutler's future.
Granted, that's what happens when you've played 5 uneven years, but still the opportunity for overreaction is off the charts.
It doesn't help that McCown's last start came against the #32 ranked defense in the NFL, and Cutler will be going against the #7 Browns. Even if he throws for a 240 yards and 2 TDs with a 95 rating or whatever that will still look bad in comparison to the THREE STRAIGHT 300 YARD GAMES FOR THE FIRST TIME EVAR (against the Rams, Vikings, and Cowboys. Hey did we mention he lost two of those games?) JOSH MCCOWEN.
I'm not putting MCCOWEN in the same category as Brian Griese because of the Vikings loss, which was as much his fault as Trestman, Robbie or the defense but I'm using them in the same sentence out of spite.
Quote from: SKO on December 12, 2013, 02:40:24 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 12, 2013, 01:37:33 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2013, 01:29:55 PM
If Jay throws an interception on Sunday it's going to be a meatball apocalypse.
Or maybe when he throws his first interception.
There's probably going to be FAR too much weight put on these next few games, regarding Cutler's future.
Granted, that's what happens when you've played 5 uneven years, but still the opportunity for overreaction is off the charts.
It doesn't help that McCown's last start came against the #32 ranked defense in the NFL, and Cutler will be going against the #7 Browns. Even if he throws for a 240 yards and 2 TDs with a 95 rating or whatever that will still look bad in comparison to the THREE STRAIGHT 300 YARD GAMES FOR THE FIRST TIME EVAR (against the Rams, Vikings, and Cowboys. Hey did we mention he lost two of those games?) JOSH MCCOWEN.
As much as I want to go with the "McCown lost a few games" argument only the Vikings game was really maybe his fault. The defense has been horrible so to pin a loss strictly on him would be a bit unfair.
That said, he's just simply not as good as Cutler full stop. I'm looking forward to Jay taking what he learned from watching the offense and applying it to his hosecock of an arm.
Also, I really enjoy how angry this makes people like my brother.
Quote from: Slaky on December 12, 2013, 03:27:55 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 12, 2013, 02:40:24 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 12, 2013, 01:37:33 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2013, 01:29:55 PM
If Jay throws an interception on Sunday it's going to be a meatball apocalypse.
Or maybe when he throws his first interception.
There's probably going to be FAR too much weight put on these next few games, regarding Cutler's future.
Granted, that's what happens when you've played 5 uneven years, but still the opportunity for overreaction is off the charts.
It doesn't help that McCown's last start came against the #32 ranked defense in the NFL, and Cutler will be going against the #7 Browns. Even if he throws for a 240 yards and 2 TDs with a 95 rating or whatever that will still look bad in comparison to the THREE STRAIGHT 300 YARD GAMES FOR THE FIRST TIME EVAR (against the Rams, Vikings, and Cowboys. Hey did we mention he lost two of those games?) JOSH MCCOWEN.
As much as I want to go with the "McCown lost a few games" argument only the Vikings game was really maybe his fault. The defense has been horrible so to pin a loss strictly on him would be a bit unfair.
That said, he's just simply not as good as Cutler full stop. I'm looking forward to Jay taking what he learned from watching the offense and applying it to his hosecock of an arm.
Also, I really enjoy how angry this makes people like my brother.
What is your brother's take?
Quote from: SKO on December 12, 2013, 02:40:24 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 12, 2013, 01:37:33 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2013, 01:29:55 PM
If Jay throws an interception on Sunday it's going to be a meatball apocalypse.
Or maybe when he throws his first interception.
There's probably going to be FAR too much weight put on these next few games, regarding Cutler's future.
Granted, that's what happens when you've played 5 uneven years, but still the opportunity for overreaction is off the charts.
It doesn't help that McCown's last start came against the #32 ranked defense in the NFL, and Cutler will be going against the #7 Browns. Even if he throws for a 240 yards and 2 TDs with a 95 rating or whatever that will still look bad in comparison to the THREE STRAIGHT 300 YARD GAMES FOR THE FIRST TIME EVAR (against the Rams, Vikings, and Cowboys. Hey did we mention he lost two of those games?) JOSH MCCOWEN.
Good idea to lay the groundwork for your Cutler excuses now, rather than waiting until right after the game he's going to blow.
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 12, 2013, 03:34:25 PM
Quote from: Slaky on December 12, 2013, 03:27:55 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 12, 2013, 02:40:24 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 12, 2013, 01:37:33 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2013, 01:29:55 PM
If Jay throws an interception on Sunday it's going to be a meatball apocalypse.
Or maybe when he throws his first interception.
There's probably going to be FAR too much weight put on these next few games, regarding Cutler's future.
Granted, that's what happens when you've played 5 uneven years, but still the opportunity for overreaction is off the charts.
It doesn't help that McCown's last start came against the #32 ranked defense in the NFL, and Cutler will be going against the #7 Browns. Even if he throws for a 240 yards and 2 TDs with a 95 rating or whatever that will still look bad in comparison to the THREE STRAIGHT 300 YARD GAMES FOR THE FIRST TIME EVAR (against the Rams, Vikings, and Cowboys. Hey did we mention he lost two of those games?) JOSH MCCOWEN.
As much as I want to go with the "McCown lost a few games" argument only the Vikings game was really maybe his fault. The defense has been horrible so to pin a loss strictly on him would be a bit unfair.
That said, he's just simply not as good as Cutler full stop. I'm looking forward to Jay taking what he learned from watching the offense and applying it to his hosecock of an arm.
Also, I really enjoy how angry this makes people like my brother.
What is your brother's take?
He just hates Cutler. He thinks he's the worst. I think it's based on him as a person. Not sure if he knows someone who's given him some insight or whatever but he got really heated when I told him he's a dope for thinking that McCown should start full time.
The big question I'd ask tje "McCown for full time starter" crowd would be: where are you expecting this team to go? If they even make the playoffs, what happens then? They get stomped because their defense can't stop anyone. Is that going to make you happy? Or do they just want McCown to be named the starter until he dies so that Cutler is exiled and Emery can get to work on building the defense back up? If that's the case this isn't about the playoffs at all.
Quote from: CT III on December 12, 2013, 03:35:58 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 12, 2013, 02:40:24 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 12, 2013, 01:37:33 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2013, 01:29:55 PM
If Jay throws an interception on Sunday it's going to be a meatball apocalypse.
Or maybe when he throws his first interception.
There's probably going to be FAR too much weight put on these next few games, regarding Cutler's future.
Granted, that's what happens when you've played 5 uneven years, but still the opportunity for overreaction is off the charts.
It doesn't help that McCown's last start came against the #32 ranked defense in the NFL, and Cutler will be going against the #7 Browns. Even if he throws for a 240 yards and 2 TDs with a 95 rating or whatever that will still look bad in comparison to the THREE STRAIGHT 300 YARD GAMES FOR THE FIRST TIME EVAR (against the Rams, Vikings, and Cowboys. Hey did we mention he lost two of those games?) JOSH MCCOWEN.
Good idea to lay the groundwork for your Cutler excuses now, rather than waiting until right after the game he's going to blow.
SKO knows that the best apologists give excuses from ALL sides of a story.
Quote from: Slaky on December 12, 2013, 03:38:34 PM
He just hates Cutler. He thinks he's the worst. I think it's based on him as a person.
I'd believe that. If Cutler were as nice and media friendly as Mark Grace, he'd be beloved in a way this town has never seen.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on December 12, 2013, 03:59:32 PM
Quote from: Slaky on December 12, 2013, 03:38:34 PM
He just hates Cutler. He thinks he's the worst. I think it's based on him as a person.
I'd believe that. If Cutler were as nice and media friendly as Mark Grace, he'd be beloved in a way this town has never seen.
What?
No, Chuck.
He'd still have 1 playoff win in 5 years with 71 picks in 64 games.
He might not be feeling the wrath of Slak's brother, but he sure as shit wouldn't be any of these guys.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Michael-Jordan-Rings-8X10-Color-Photo-/00/s/MTE5OFgxNDg4/$T2eC16JHJGwE9n%29ySd8KBQgcH6yLOw~~60_35.JPG)
(http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/60/files/2008/01/walter-payton-jump-detroit.jpg)
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0204/nfl_a_ditka11_300.jpg)
(http://img.indyposted.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Mike-Singletary-1985-Chicago-Bears.jpg)
Plus I assume a couple hockey guys.
Quote from: Slaky on December 12, 2013, 03:38:34 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 12, 2013, 03:34:25 PM
Quote from: Slaky on December 12, 2013, 03:27:55 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 12, 2013, 02:40:24 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 12, 2013, 01:37:33 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2013, 01:29:55 PM
If Jay throws an interception on Sunday it's going to be a meatball apocalypse.
Or maybe when he throws his first interception.
There's probably going to be FAR too much weight put on these next few games, regarding Cutler's future.
Granted, that's what happens when you've played 5 uneven years, but still the opportunity for overreaction is off the charts.
It doesn't help that McCown's last start came against the #32 ranked defense in the NFL, and Cutler will be going against the #7 Browns. Even if he throws for a 240 yards and 2 TDs with a 95 rating or whatever that will still look bad in comparison to the THREE STRAIGHT 300 YARD GAMES FOR THE FIRST TIME EVAR (against the Rams, Vikings, and Cowboys. Hey did we mention he lost two of those games?) JOSH MCCOWEN.
As much as I want to go with the "McCown lost a few games" argument only the Vikings game was really maybe his fault. The defense has been horrible so to pin a loss strictly on him would be a bit unfair.
That said, he's just simply not as good as Cutler full stop. I'm looking forward to Jay taking what he learned from watching the offense and applying it to his hosecock of an arm.
Also, I really enjoy how angry this makes people like my brother.
What is your brother's take?
He just hates Cutler. He thinks he's the worst. I think it's based on him as a person. Not sure if he knows someone who's given him some insight or whatever but he got really heated when I told him he's a dope for thinking that McCown should start full time.
The big question I'd ask tje "McCown for full time starter" crowd would be: where are you expecting this team to go? If they even make the playoffs, what happens then? They get stomped because their defense can't stop anyone. Is that going to make you happy? Or do they just want McCown to be named the starter until he dies so that Cutler is exiled and Emery can get to work on building the defense back up? If that's the case this isn't about the playoffs at all.
So, would he want to catch balls from Josh, then? Is that what he thinks, too?
I feel like the idea that Cutler getting paid will keep them from re-building the defense is misleading. For one, it sounds like the cap is going up to $127 mildo next year, which'll help, but also where are these great defensive free agents that are going to take up that much cap room going to come from?
I'm willing to bet I've spent more time staring breathlessly at lists of 2014 NFL free agents than anyone here and I don't think the Cutler contract is going to keep Phil from landing the non-existent great players who will immediately fix all of our problems. Can you think of many mega-deal defensive free agents in the last few years who've been worth the money more than QBs who got extended? The Peppers deal is the closest I can think of, and even that has it's major drawbacks, as we are seeing.
Considering the defensive money coming Off of the books, there should be more than enough to re-sign Cutler, keep the offense intact, and just accept that the defense is a multi-year project that will require draft picks and more moderate free agent signings (more like DJ Williams and whatnot) to fix, and thus won't require the massive cap space people think.
Quote from: SKO on December 12, 2013, 04:25:58 PM
I feel like the idea that Cutler getting paid will keep them from re-building the defense is misleading. For one, it sounds like the cap is going up to $127 mildo next year, which'll help, but also where are these great defensive free agents that are going to take up that much cap room going to come from?
I'm willing to bet I've spent more time staring breathlessly at lists of 2014 NFL free agents than anyone here and I don't think the Cutler contract is going to keep Phil from landing the non-existent great players who will immediately fix all of our problems. Can you think of many mega-deal defensive free agents in the last few years who've been worth the money more than QBs who got extended? The Peppers deal is the closest I can think of, and even that has it's major drawbacks, as we are seeing.
Considering the defensive money coming Off of the books, there should be more than enough to re-sign Cutler, keep the offense intact, and just accept that the defense is a multi-year project that will require draft picks and more moderate free agent signings (more like DJ Williams and whatnot) to fix, and thus won't require the massive cap space people think.
WE BUILDING A DREAM TEAM HERE
(http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Nnamdi+Asomugha+Baltimore+Ravens+v+Philadelphia+LlWabhHJAnwl.jpg)
But seriously, I'd take Tambi Hali's deal over Flacco's.
Quote from: PenFoe on December 12, 2013, 04:33:02 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 12, 2013, 04:25:58 PM
I feel like the idea that Cutler getting paid will keep them from re-building the defense is misleading. For one, it sounds like the cap is going up to $127 mildo next year, which'll help, but also where are these great defensive free agents that are going to take up that much cap room going to come from?
I'm willing to bet I've spent more time staring breathlessly at lists of 2014 NFL free agents than anyone here and I don't think the Cutler contract is going to keep Phil from landing the non-existent great players who will immediately fix all of our problems. Can you think of many mega-deal defensive free agents in the last few years who've been worth the money more than QBs who got extended? The Peppers deal is the closest I can think of, and even that has it's major drawbacks, as we are seeing.
Considering the defensive money coming Off of the books, there should be more than enough to re-sign Cutler, keep the offense intact, and just accept that the defense is a multi-year project that will require draft picks and more moderate free agent signings (more like DJ Williams and whatnot) to fix, and thus won't require the massive cap space people think.
WE BUILDING A DREAM TEAM HERE
(http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Nnamdi+Asomugha+Baltimore+Ravens+v+Philadelphia+LlWabhHJAnwl.jpg)
But seriously, I'd take Tambi Hali's deal over Flacco's.
True but Tamba was a team extending it's own free agent with considerable leverage in terms of tags and whatnot. Hali cost the Chiefs less than he would anyone else, same as Cutler will be cheaper for the Bears than he will be for anyone else, although certainly not cheap. I'm talking about wading into the murky waters of the NFL unrestricted free agent pool, where the odds are you're better off trying to patch holes on the cheap and try to draft your core players than to try and commit big money to 31 and older defensive free agents.
Like I said, if they're throwing tons of cash at 31 year old guys either way, I'd rather that money go to Cutler who plays a position that tends to age slower than most others besides kicker and punter. Especially considering that the howitzer he has mounted on his right shoulder kept guys like Favre and Testaverde playing long after their expiration date because they could lose a few miles off their fastball and still be able to make all of the throws required.
Quote from: Yeti on December 12, 2013, 04:09:41 PM
Quote from: Slaky on December 12, 2013, 03:38:34 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 12, 2013, 03:34:25 PM
Quote from: Slaky on December 12, 2013, 03:27:55 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 12, 2013, 02:40:24 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 12, 2013, 01:37:33 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2013, 01:29:55 PM
If Jay throws an interception on Sunday it's going to be a meatball apocalypse.
Or maybe when he throws his first interception.
There's probably going to be FAR too much weight put on these next few games, regarding Cutler's future.
Granted, that's what happens when you've played 5 uneven years, but still the opportunity for overreaction is off the charts.
It doesn't help that McCown's last start came against the #32 ranked defense in the NFL, and Cutler will be going against the #7 Browns. Even if he throws for a 240 yards and 2 TDs with a 95 rating or whatever that will still look bad in comparison to the THREE STRAIGHT 300 YARD GAMES FOR THE FIRST TIME EVAR (against the Rams, Vikings, and Cowboys. Hey did we mention he lost two of those games?) JOSH MCCOWEN.
As much as I want to go with the "McCown lost a few games" argument only the Vikings game was really maybe his fault. The defense has been horrible so to pin a loss strictly on him would be a bit unfair.
That said, he's just simply not as good as Cutler full stop. I'm looking forward to Jay taking what he learned from watching the offense and applying it to his hosecock of an arm.
Also, I really enjoy how angry this makes people like my brother.
What is your brother's take?
He just hates Cutler. He thinks he's the worst. I think it's based on him as a person. Not sure if he knows someone who's given him some insight or whatever but he got really heated when I told him he's a dope for thinking that McCown should start full time.
The big question I'd ask tje "McCown for full time starter" crowd would be: where are you expecting this team to go? If they even make the playoffs, what happens then? They get stomped because their defense can't stop anyone. Is that going to make you happy? Or do they just want McCown to be named the starter until he dies so that Cutler is exiled and Emery can get to work on building the defense back up? If that's the case this isn't about the playoffs at all.
So, would he want to catch balls from Josh, then? Is that what he thinks, too?
Are you putting on your Jay Cutler hat since he was kind enough to wear yours?
(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy317/tjbrown1975/cutler.jpg?t=1386960354)
Quote from: Brownie on December 13, 2013, 12:48:24 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 12, 2013, 04:09:41 PM
Quote from: Slaky on December 12, 2013, 03:38:34 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 12, 2013, 03:34:25 PM
Quote from: Slaky on December 12, 2013, 03:27:55 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 12, 2013, 02:40:24 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 12, 2013, 01:37:33 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2013, 01:29:55 PM
If Jay throws an interception on Sunday it's going to be a meatball apocalypse.
Or maybe when he throws his first interception.
There's probably going to be FAR too much weight put on these next few games, regarding Cutler's future.
Granted, that's what happens when you've played 5 uneven years, but still the opportunity for overreaction is off the charts.
It doesn't help that McCown's last start came against the #32 ranked defense in the NFL, and Cutler will be going against the #7 Browns. Even if he throws for a 240 yards and 2 TDs with a 95 rating or whatever that will still look bad in comparison to the THREE STRAIGHT 300 YARD GAMES FOR THE FIRST TIME EVAR (against the Rams, Vikings, and Cowboys. Hey did we mention he lost two of those games?) JOSH MCCOWEN.
As much as I want to go with the "McCown lost a few games" argument only the Vikings game was really maybe his fault. The defense has been horrible so to pin a loss strictly on him would be a bit unfair.
That said, he's just simply not as good as Cutler full stop. I'm looking forward to Jay taking what he learned from watching the offense and applying it to his hosecock of an arm.
Also, I really enjoy how angry this makes people like my brother.
What is your brother's take?
He just hates Cutler. He thinks he's the worst. I think it's based on him as a person. Not sure if he knows someone who's given him some insight or whatever but he got really heated when I told him he's a dope for thinking that McCown should start full time.
The big question I'd ask tje "McCown for full time starter" crowd would be: where are you expecting this team to go? If they even make the playoffs, what happens then? They get stomped because their defense can't stop anyone. Is that going to make you happy? Or do they just want McCown to be named the starter until he dies so that Cutler is exiled and Emery can get to work on building the defense back up? If that's the case this isn't about the playoffs at all.
So, would he want to catch balls from Josh, then? Is that what he thinks, too?
Are you putting on your Jay Cutler hat since he was kind enough to wear yours?
(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy317/tjbrown1975/cutler.jpg?t=1386960354)
I put my Jay Cutler hat on every night.
Quote from: SKO on December 13, 2013, 09:49:26 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 12, 2013, 04:33:02 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 12, 2013, 04:25:58 PM
I feel like the idea that Cutler getting paid will keep them from re-building the defense is misleading. For one, it sounds like the cap is going up to $127 mildo next year, which'll help, but also where are these great defensive free agents that are going to take up that much cap room going to come from?
I'm willing to bet I've spent more time staring breathlessly at lists of 2014 NFL free agents than anyone here and I don't think the Cutler contract is going to keep Phil from landing the non-existent great players who will immediately fix all of our problems. Can you think of many mega-deal defensive free agents in the last few years who've been worth the money more than QBs who got extended? The Peppers deal is the closest I can think of, and even that has it's major drawbacks, as we are seeing.
Considering the defensive money coming Off of the books, there should be more than enough to re-sign Cutler, keep the offense intact, and just accept that the defense is a multi-year project that will require draft picks and more moderate free agent signings (more like DJ Williams and whatnot) to fix, and thus won't require the massive cap space people think.
WE BUILDING A DREAM TEAM HERE
(http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Nnamdi+Asomugha+Baltimore+Ravens+v+Philadelphia+LlWabhHJAnwl.jpg)
But seriously, I'd take Tambi Hali's deal over Flacco's.
True but Tamba was a team extending it's own free agent with considerable leverage in terms of tags and whatnot. Hali cost the Chiefs less than he would anyone else, same as Cutler will be cheaper for the Bears than he will be for anyone else, although certainly not cheap. I'm talking about wading into the murky waters of the NFL unrestricted free agent pool, where the odds are you're better off trying to patch holes on the cheap and try to draft your core players than to try and commit big money to 31 and older defensive free agents.
Like I said, if they're throwing tons of cash at 31 year old guys either way, I'd rather that money go to Cutler who plays a position that tends to age slower than most others besides kicker and punter. Especially considering that the howitzer he has mounted on his right shoulder kept guys like Favre and Testaverde playing long after their expiration date because they could lose a few miles off their fastball and still be able to make all of the throws required.
Cutler's franchise tag cap hit would be about 16 Mil. I assume his cap number will be in that range whether he's signed for one year or more. If they cut Peppers, Earl, Bush and Weems they save about 15. Nothing is fucked here except that they'd then have only 25 players under contract and be less than 45 Mil under the cap.
They should re-sign Cutler and McCown and then spend all the picks on defense. There will be a ton of guys making the minimum but at least they might have something to build around on D finally.
Nice to see Jay couldn't be bothered in his weeks off to forget how to throw lazy INTs on balls that sail.
This guy is trash. McCown can run the offense efficiently. Let Jay go. Save the money. If it falls apart, blow it up and draft Winston. Now he will be a true franchise QB.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 15, 2013, 01:31:32 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 15, 2013, 01:03:18 PM
This guy is trash.
I hate Bears fans.
He's trolling us. He knows we know he's dumb, so he shows up every so often to say dumb things and get responses. These are the only kinds of posts he makes and he never actually engages.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 15, 2013, 01:03:18 PM
If it falls apart, blow it up and draft Winston. Now he will be a true franchise QB.
I don't agree. Great defensively, but he needed Roosevelt to bail him out on offense.
Trolls, meatballs, dummies, whoever... Jay sure does make some stupid throws to give them material. Like SKO said on twitter, he doesn't always make it easy to defend him.
TJ, how do you grade this effort to ape your important work (http://deadspin.com/the-jaguars-can-still-technically-make-the-playoffs-1483707986)?
Quote from: Tony on December 15, 2013, 04:17:15 PM
Trolls, meatballs, dummies, whoever... Jay sure does make some stupid throws to give them material. Like SKO said on twitter, he doesn't always make it easy to defend him.
Yeah, the first drive red zone interception was about as worst-case scenario as you could imagine. But whatever, he shrugged it off and ended up having a pretty good game. That game was perfect in that it gave everyone the evidence they needed to change absolutely nothing about their opinions, so, yay.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 15, 2013, 06:37:49 PM
TJ, how do you grade this effort to ape your important work (http://deadspin.com/the-jaguars-can-still-technically-make-the-playoffs-1483707986)?
I'm quite impressed, but couldn't the possibilitieologists at CBS focus on something more satisfying than Jacksonville making the playoffs?
DAT MCCOWAN GUY WOULDDA WON MY MORE MY FRENTS.
Quote from: Tonker on December 16, 2013, 02:11:56 AM
DAT MCCOWAN GUY WOULDDA WON MY MORE MY FRENTS.
Your whole more?
Quote from: Fork on December 16, 2013, 09:16:42 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 16, 2013, 09:01:17 AM
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2013, 08:49:02 AM
Quote from: Tonker on December 16, 2013, 02:11:56 AM
DAT MCCOWAN GUY WOULDDA WON MY MORE MY FRENTS.
Your whole more?
Your hole, Moor?
Something Moors in Ireland something Huey's dong something anal.
Bet you're glad you got involved, now, Mike?
Quote from: Tonker on December 16, 2013, 09:29:56 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 16, 2013, 09:16:42 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 16, 2013, 09:01:17 AM
Quote from: PANK! on December 16, 2013, 08:49:02 AM
Quote from: Tonker on December 16, 2013, 02:11:56 AM
DAT MCCOWAN GUY WOULDDA WON MY MORE MY FRENTS.
Your whole more?
Your hole, Moor?
Something Moors in Ireland something Huey's dong something anal.
Bet you're glad you got involved, now, Mike?
DONNNNNN'TTTTTT CAAAARRRREEE!
/Cutler
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 15, 2013, 01:03:18 PM
Nice to see Jay couldn't be bothered in his weeks off to forget how to throw lazy INTs on balls that sail.
This guy is trash. McCown can run the offense efficiently. Let Jay go. Save the money. If it falls apart, blow it up and draft Winston. Now he will be a true franchise QB.
I'm sure you're a nice enough fella but please get laid.
Quote from: Slaky on December 17, 2013, 09:24:37 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 15, 2013, 01:03:18 PM
Nice to see Jay couldn't be bothered in his weeks off to forget how to throw lazy INTs on balls that sail.
This guy is trash. McCown can run the offense efficiently. Let Jay go. Save the money. If it falls apart, blow it up and draft Winston. Now he will be a true franchise QB.
I'm sure you're a nice enough fella but please get laid.
That is what I wish for all of us this holiday season.
It sucks that Cutler is the only quarterback in the NFL who throws interceptions and he happens to play for our Bears. FML
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 17, 2013, 09:39:15 AM
It sucks that Cutler is the only quarterback in the NFL who throws interceptions and he happens to play for our Bears. FML
But the Bears have a quarterback who never throws interceptions, wins almost half his games, and doesn't masturbate. Also he's not a jerk.
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 17, 2013, 09:39:15 AM
It sucks that Cutler is the only quarterback in the NFL who throws interceptions and he happens to play for our Bears. FML
DEY SHOUD MONEY DRAF ELI MANNINNING AND PAY HIS MONEY BCUZ BUTTS NEED SUPABOWL LEATERSHIP OK
Quote from: CBStew on December 17, 2013, 09:35:48 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 17, 2013, 09:24:37 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 15, 2013, 01:03:18 PM
Nice to see Jay couldn't be bothered in his weeks off to forget how to throw lazy INTs on balls that sail.
This guy is trash. McCown can run the offense efficiently. Let Jay go. Save the money. If it falls apart, blow it up and draft Winston. Now he will be a true franchise QB.
I'm sure you're a nice enough fella but please get laid.
That is what I wish for all of us this holiday season.
Thank you, Stew - that's a lovely thought, but I'm married already.
Quote from: Slaky on December 17, 2013, 09:24:37 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 15, 2013, 01:03:18 PM
Nice to see Jay couldn't be bothered in his weeks off to forget how to throw lazy INTs on balls that sail.
This guy is trash. McCown can run the offense efficiently. Let Jay go. Save the money. If it falls apart, blow it up and draft Winston. Now he will be a true franchise QB.
I'm sure you're a nice enough fella but please get laid.
Without the use of force.
This is the second time this year that CFIHP has bitched about Cutler sucking after a game in which he threw for 3 TDs while leading his team to a win.
Quote from: SKO on December 17, 2013, 01:20:46 PM
This is the second time this year that CFIHP has bitched about Cutler sucking after a game in which he threw for 3 TDs while leading his team to a win.
To be fair, at least this time, he was bitching in the middle of the game.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 17, 2013, 01:23:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 17, 2013, 01:20:46 PM
This is the second time this year that CFIHP has bitched about Cutler sucking after a game in which he threw for 3 TDs while leading his team to a win.
To be fair, at least this time, he was bitching in the middle of the game.
To paraphrase a man wiser than he, he should have waited to see how it played out.
(http://i.imgur.com/OKygVbz.png) (http://i.imgur.com/OKygVbz.png)
Source. (http://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/comments/1t6wbd/bears_playoff_picture_as_an_actual_picture/)
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 19, 2013, 10:23:33 AM
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Source. (http://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/comments/1t6wbd/bears_playoff_picture_as_an_actual_picture/)
I love that there are only 3 scenarios in which the Lions make it. LULZ
Quote from: Yeti on December 19, 2013, 10:30:24 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 19, 2013, 10:23:33 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/OKygVbz.png) (http://i.imgur.com/OKygVbz.png)
Source. (http://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/comments/1t6wbd/bears_playoff_picture_as_an_actual_picture/)
I love that there are only 3 scenarios in which the Lions make it. LULZ
Four scenarios. Out of 32.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 19, 2013, 10:43:00 AM
Quote from: Yeti on December 19, 2013, 10:30:24 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 19, 2013, 10:23:33 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/OKygVbz.png) (http://i.imgur.com/OKygVbz.png)
Source. (http://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/comments/1t6wbd/bears_playoff_picture_as_an_actual_picture/)
I love that there are only 3 scenarios in which the Lions make it. LULZ
Four scenarios. Out of 32.
TOO OLD!
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 19, 2013, 10:43:00 AM
Quote from: Yeti on December 19, 2013, 10:30:24 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 19, 2013, 10:23:33 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/OKygVbz.png) (http://i.imgur.com/OKygVbz.png)
Source. (http://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/comments/1t6wbd/bears_playoff_picture_as_an_actual_picture/)
I love that there are only 3 scenarios in which the Lions make it. LULZ
Four scenarios. Out of 32.
Also, that
The good news is that Emery can basically dump the entire defense this offseason if he chooses. If they decide to cut bait with Peppers, Conte & McLellin, the only rotation guys that I think would still be under contract for next year are Paea, Bostic and Frey.
The bad news is, they need an entire new defense.
Quote from: R-V on December 23, 2013, 09:29:03 AM
The good news is that Emery can basically dump the entire defense this offseason if he chooses. If they decide to cut bait with Peppers, Conte & McLellin, the only rotation guys that I think would still be under contract for next year are Paea, Bostic and Frey.
The bad news is, they need an entire new defense.
#EmstinkIsWonderful
#IStandWithPhil
Quote from: InternetApex on December 23, 2013, 09:41:14 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 23, 2013, 09:29:03 AM
The good news is that Emery can basically dump the entire defense this offseason if he chooses. If they decide to cut bait with Peppers, Conte & McLellin, the only rotation guys that I think would still be under contract for next year are Paea, Bostic and Frey.
The bad news is, they need an entire new defense.
#EmstinkIsWonderful
#IStandWithPhil
I want this season to end so Phil can get to work. I'm excited to see him get things done.
Phil rules.
Quote from: Slaky on December 23, 2013, 10:22:16 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on December 23, 2013, 09:41:14 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 23, 2013, 09:29:03 AM
The good news is that Emery can basically dump the entire defense this offseason if he chooses. If they decide to cut bait with Peppers, Conte & McLellin, the only rotation guys that I think would still be under contract for next year are Paea, Bostic and Frey.
The bad news is, they need an entire new defense.
#EmstinkIsWonderful
#IStandWithPhil
I want this season to end so Phil can get to work. I'm excited to see him get things done.
Phil rules.
Whoa whoa whoa. We sure about that yet?
Quote from: Slaky on December 23, 2013, 10:22:16 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on December 23, 2013, 09:41:14 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 23, 2013, 09:29:03 AM
The good news is that Emery can basically dump the entire defense this offseason if he chooses. If they decide to cut bait with Peppers, Conte & McLellin, the only rotation guys that I think would still be under contract for next year are Paea, Bostic and Frey.
The bad news is, they need an entire new defense.
#EmstinkIsWonderful
#IStandWithPhil
I want this season to end so Phil can get to work. I'm excited to see him get things done.
Phil rules.
With the cap going up about 7 million, the expiring contracts, and the hopefully inevitable releases of Peppers/Bush/Earl Bennett (sorry Earl)....Phil's looking at a full complement of draft picks and probably like $60 million in cap room. This will definitely be the offseason that defines his entire tenure.
Quote from: SKO on December 23, 2013, 10:29:44 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 23, 2013, 10:22:16 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on December 23, 2013, 09:41:14 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 23, 2013, 09:29:03 AM
The good news is that Emery can basically dump the entire defense this offseason if he chooses. If they decide to cut bait with Peppers, Conte & McLellin, the only rotation guys that I think would still be under contract for next year are Paea, Bostic and Frey.
The bad news is, they need an entire new defense.
#EmstinkIsWonderful
#IStandWithPhil
I want this season to end so Phil can get to work. I'm excited to see him get things done.
Phil rules.
With the cap going up about 7 million, the expiring contracts, and the hopefully inevitable releases of Peppers/Bush/Earl Bennett (sorry Earl)....Phil's looking at a full complement of draft picks and probably like $60 million in cap room. This will definitely be the offseason that defines his entire tenure.
Yeah I think so. If he keeps the offense running at its current level and can shore up the defense to even average, that'll be a good job. Of course if the Bears catch some luck w/r/t injuries next season that'd be swell, too.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 23, 2013, 10:26:35 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 23, 2013, 10:22:16 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on December 23, 2013, 09:41:14 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 23, 2013, 09:29:03 AM
The good news is that Emery can basically dump the entire defense this offseason if he chooses. If they decide to cut bait with Peppers, Conte & McLellin, the only rotation guys that I think would still be under contract for next year are Paea, Bostic and Frey.
The bad news is, they need an entire new defense.
#EmstinkIsWonderful
#IStandWithPhil
I want this season to end so Phil can get to work. I'm excited to see him get things done.
Phil rules.
Whoa whoa whoa. We sure about that yet?
When he arrived, they had a rotating derpfest at OC, no credible wide receivers or tightends and the worst offensive line in pro football including the Canadian Football League. Fixed.
Now he has the resources needed to fix the defense in full. If he had missed on any of the above, it would be detrimental to his plan. I don't know what more I could ask of him at this point. If he chooses poorly on too many of the players he tabs for the defense, we'll re-evaluate. But as of now, I have to give him an A.
Quote from: SKO on December 23, 2013, 10:29:44 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 23, 2013, 10:22:16 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on December 23, 2013, 09:41:14 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 23, 2013, 09:29:03 AM
The good news is that Emery can basically dump the entire defense this offseason if he chooses. If they decide to cut bait with Peppers, Conte & McLellin, the only rotation guys that I think would still be under contract for next year are Paea, Bostic and Frey.
The bad news is, they need an entire new defense.
#EmstinkIsWonderful
#IStandWithPhil
I want this season to end so Phil can get to work. I'm excited to see him get things done.
Phil rules.
With the cap going up about 7 million, the expiring contracts, and the hopefully inevitable releases of Peppers/Bush/Earl Bennett (sorry Earl)....Phil's looking at a full complement of draft picks and probably like $60 million in cap room. This will definitely be the offseason that defines his entire tenure.
Does that include the $9.8M (https://twitter.com/djdurkin/status/415167084008456192) hit for Peppers?
Quote from: InternetApex on December 23, 2013, 10:56:52 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 23, 2013, 10:26:35 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 23, 2013, 10:22:16 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on December 23, 2013, 09:41:14 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 23, 2013, 09:29:03 AM
The good news is that Emery can basically dump the entire defense this offseason if he chooses. If they decide to cut bait with Peppers, Conte & McLellin, the only rotation guys that I think would still be under contract for next year are Paea, Bostic and Frey.
The bad news is, they need an entire new defense.
#EmstinkIsWonderful
#IStandWithPhil
I want this season to end so Phil can get to work. I'm excited to see him get things done.
Phil rules.
Whoa whoa whoa. We sure about that yet?
When he arrived, they had a rotating derpfest at OC, no credible wide receivers or tightends and the worst offensive line in pro football including the Canadian Football League. Fixed.
Now he has the resources needed to fix the defense in full. If he had missed on any of the above, it would be detrimental to his plan. I don't know what more I could ask of him at this point. If he chooses poorly on too many of the players he tabs for the defense, we'll re-evaluate. But as of now, I have to give him an A.
Really my only beef with Earmery is the McLelllin pick. Man that guy sucks. Maybe as a first-time GM he got nervous and accidentally referred to the dry erase draft board easel Angelo forgot to take with him.
Quote from: R-V on December 23, 2013, 11:47:09 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on December 23, 2013, 10:56:52 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 23, 2013, 10:26:35 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 23, 2013, 10:22:16 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on December 23, 2013, 09:41:14 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 23, 2013, 09:29:03 AM
The good news is that Emery can basically dump the entire defense this offseason if he chooses. If they decide to cut bait with Peppers, Conte & McLellin, the only rotation guys that I think would still be under contract for next year are Paea, Bostic and Frey.
The bad news is, they need an entire new defense.
#EmstinkIsWonderful
#IStandWithPhil
I want this season to end so Phil can get to work. I'm excited to see him get things done.
Phil rules.
Whoa whoa whoa. We sure about that yet?
When he arrived, they had a rotating derpfest at OC, no credible wide receivers or tightends and the worst offensive line in pro football including the Canadian Football League. Fixed.
Now he has the resources needed to fix the defense in full. If he had missed on any of the above, it would be detrimental to his plan. I don't know what more I could ask of him at this point. If he chooses poorly on too many of the players he tabs for the defense, we'll re-evaluate. But as of now, I have to give him an A.
Really my only beef with Earmery is the McLelllin pick. Man that guy sucks. Maybe as a first-time GM he got nervous and accidentally referred to the dry erase draft board easel Angelo forgot to take with him.
Yeah, I generally think Emery's on the right track, but that first pick sticks in my craw. It'd be one thing to draft a guy that everyone thought was a good pick (Chris Williams, Carimi) and said player busts out, but to take a chance on a project that it turns out you can't even remotely develop is disoncerting.
Now, if Emery is man enough to admit his mistake and cut that pile of shit as soon as the season ends, then my faith in him will strengthen.
Quote from: PANK! on December 23, 2013, 11:51:36 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 23, 2013, 11:47:09 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on December 23, 2013, 10:56:52 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 23, 2013, 10:26:35 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 23, 2013, 10:22:16 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on December 23, 2013, 09:41:14 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 23, 2013, 09:29:03 AM
The good news is that Emery can basically dump the entire defense this offseason if he chooses. If they decide to cut bait with Peppers, Conte & McLellin, the only rotation guys that I think would still be under contract for next year are Paea, Bostic and Frey.
The bad news is, they need an entire new defense.
#EmstinkIsWonderful
#IStandWithPhil
I want this season to end so Phil can get to work. I'm excited to see him get things done.
Phil rules.
Whoa whoa whoa. We sure about that yet?
When he arrived, they had a rotating derpfest at OC, no credible wide receivers or tightends and the worst offensive line in pro football including the Canadian Football League. Fixed.
Now he has the resources needed to fix the defense in full. If he had missed on any of the above, it would be detrimental to his plan. I don't know what more I could ask of him at this point. If he chooses poorly on too many of the players he tabs for the defense, we'll re-evaluate. But as of now, I have to give him an A.
Really my only beef with Earmery is the McLelllin pick. Man that guy sucks. Maybe as a first-time GM he got nervous and accidentally referred to the dry erase draft board easel Angelo forgot to take with him.
Yeah, I generally think Emery's on the right track, but that first pick sticks in my craw. It'd be one thing to draft a guy that everyone thought was a good pick (Chris Williams, Carimi) and said player busts out, but to take a chance on a project that it turns out you can't even remotely develop is disoncerting.
Now, if Emery is man enough to admit his mistake and cut that pile of shit as soon as the season ends, then my faith in him will strengthen.
Speaking of high-risk, high-reward draft picks, I kind of like Alshon Jeffrey and Kyle Long. 2-of-3 is really good in that department. The rest of those first two drafts have produced zero definite contributors however. Jordan Mills, Isiah Fry, Khaseem Greene and Jon Bostic deserve another year to pan out. I don't know what else is there. I also don't know what a good or above-average draft actually looks like because I'm not some fat tard who scours draft boards in lieu of having secks with a woman in my spare time.
Quote from: InternetApex on December 23, 2013, 12:19:43 PM
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 23, 2013, 10:26:35 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 23, 2013, 10:22:16 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on December 23, 2013, 09:41:14 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 23, 2013, 09:29:03 AM
The good news is that Emery can basically dump the entire defense this offseason if he chooses. If they decide to cut bait with Peppers, Conte & McLellin, the only rotation guys that I think would still be under contract for next year are Paea, Bostic and Frey.
The bad news is, they need an entire new defense.
#EmstinkIsWonderful
#IStandWithPhil
I want this season to end so Phil can get to work. I'm excited to see him get things done.
Phil rules.
Whoa whoa whoa. We sure about that yet?
When he arrived, they had a rotating derpfest at OC, no credible wide receivers or tightends and the worst offensive line in pro football including the Canadian Football League. Fixed.
Now he has the resources needed to fix the defense in full. If he had missed on any of the above, it would be detrimental to his plan. I don't know what more I could ask of him at this point. If he chooses poorly on too many of the players he tabs for the defense, we'll re-evaluate. But as of now, I have to give him an A.
Really my only beef with Earmery is the McLelllin pick. Man that guy sucks. Maybe as a first-time GM he got nervous and accidentally referred to the dry erase draft board easel Angelo forgot to take with him.
Yeah, I generally think Emery's on the right track, but that first pick sticks in my craw. It'd be one thing to draft a guy that everyone thought was a good pick (Chris Williams, Carimi) and said player busts out, but to take a chance on a project that it turns out you can't even remotely develop is disoncerting.
Now, if Emery is man enough to admit his mistake and cut that pile of shit as soon as the season ends, then my faith in him will strengthen.
Speaking of high-risk, high-reward draft picks, I kind of like Alshon Jeffrey and Kyle Long. 2-of-3 is really good in that department. The rest of those first two drafts have produced zero definite contributors however. Jordan Mills, Isiah Fry, Khaseem Greene and Jon Bostic deserve another year to pan out. I don't know what else is there. I also don't know what a good or above-average draft actually looks like because I'm not some fat tard who scours draft boards in lieu of having secks with a woman in my spare time.
Jordan Mills hasn't been a decent pick? He's started every game and the line has been better than it has in a long time.
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Quote from: InternetApex on December 23, 2013, 09:41:14 AM
Quote from: R-V on December 23, 2013, 09:29:03 AM
The good news is that Emery can basically dump the entire defense this offseason if he chooses. If they decide to cut bait with Peppers, Conte & McLellin, the only rotation guys that I think would still be under contract for next year are Paea, Bostic and Frey.
The bad news is, they need an entire new defense.
#EmstinkIsWonderful
#IStandWithPhil
I want this season to end so Phil can get to work. I'm excited to see him get things done.
Phil rules.
Whoa whoa whoa. We sure about that yet?
When he arrived, they had a rotating derpfest at OC, no credible wide receivers or tightends and the worst offensive line in pro football including the Canadian Football League. Fixed.
Now he has the resources needed to fix the defense in full. If he had missed on any of the above, it would be detrimental to his plan. I don't know what more I could ask of him at this point. If he chooses poorly on too many of the players he tabs for the defense, we'll re-evaluate. But as of now, I have to give him an A.
Really my only beef with Earmery is the McLelllin pick. Man that guy sucks. Maybe as a first-time GM he got nervous and accidentally referred to the dry erase draft board easel Angelo forgot to take with him.
Yeah, I generally think Emery's on the right track, but that first pick sticks in my craw. It'd be one thing to draft a guy that everyone thought was a good pick (Chris Williams, Carimi) and said player busts out, but to take a chance on a project that it turns out you can't even remotely develop is disoncerting.
Now, if Emery is man enough to admit his mistake and cut that pile of shit as soon as the season ends, then my faith in him will strengthen.
Speaking of high-risk, high-reward draft picks, I kind of like Alshon Jeffrey and Kyle Long. 2-of-3 is really good in that department. The rest of those first two drafts have produced zero definite contributors however. Jordan Mills, Isiah Fry, Khaseem Greene and Jon Bostic deserve another year to pan out. I don't know what else is there. I also don't know what a good or above-average draft actually looks like because I'm not some fat tard who scours draft boards in lieu of having secks with a woman in my spare time.
Jordan Mills hasn't been a decent pick? He's started every game and the line has been better than it has in a long time.
I'm not sure what his FootballStatsVirgin scores are now, but around mid-season they were below average. He gets a lot of help too. In fact they bring in another fat guy to stand with him in some packages several plays a game. I'm not saying he sucks. I'm saying, nobody is sure yet if he's going to be the starter next year and if they brought in somebody to compete with him nobody should be shocked. Value at his draft slot? Fuckin' A. Longterm stability at the position? Not in my mind. But then again... Football Tard.
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Quote from: R-V on December 23, 2013, 09:29:03 AM
The good news is that Emery can basically dump the entire defense this offseason if he chooses. If they decide to cut bait with Peppers, Conte & McLellin, the only rotation guys that I think would still be under contract for next year are Paea, Bostic and Frey.
The bad news is, they need an entire new defense.
#EmstinkIsWonderful
#IStandWithPhil
I want this season to end so Phil can get to work. I'm excited to see him get things done.
Phil rules.
Whoa whoa whoa. We sure about that yet?
When he arrived, they had a rotating derpfest at OC, no credible wide receivers or tightends and the worst offensive line in pro football including the Canadian Football League. Fixed.
Now he has the resources needed to fix the defense in full. If he had missed on any of the above, it would be detrimental to his plan. I don't know what more I could ask of him at this point. If he chooses poorly on too many of the players he tabs for the defense, we'll re-evaluate. But as of now, I have to give him an A.
Really my only beef with Earmery is the McLelllin pick. Man that guy sucks. Maybe as a first-time GM he got nervous and accidentally referred to the dry erase draft board easel Angelo forgot to take with him.
Yeah, I generally think Emery's on the right track, but that first pick sticks in my craw. It'd be one thing to draft a guy that everyone thought was a good pick (Chris Williams, Carimi) and said player busts out, but to take a chance on a project that it turns out you can't even remotely develop is disoncerting.
Now, if Emery is man enough to admit his mistake and cut that pile of shit as soon as the season ends, then my faith in him will strengthen.
Speaking of high-risk, high-reward draft picks, I kind of like Alshon Jeffrey and Kyle Long. 2-of-3 is really good in that department. The rest of those first two drafts have produced zero definite contributors however. Jordan Mills, Isiah Fry, Khaseem Greene and Jon Bostic deserve another year to pan out. I don't know what else is there. I also don't know what a good or above-average draft actually looks like because I'm not some fat tard who scours draft boards in lieu of having secks with a woman in my spare time.
Jordan Mills hasn't been a decent pick? He's started every game and the line has been better than it has in a long time.
I'm not sure what his FootballStatsVirgin scores are now, but around mid-season they were below average. He gets a lot of help too. In fact they bring in another fat guy to stand with him in some packages several plays a game. I'm not saying he sucks. I'm saying, nobody is sure yet if he's going to be the starter next year and if they brought in somebody to compete with him nobody should be shocked. Value at his draft slot? Fuckin' A. Longterm stability at the position? Not in my mind. But then again... Football Tard.
He gives up a shit ton of pressure according to PFF, but he's been about average agains tthe run. Certainly reason to hope.
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The good news is that Emery can basically dump the entire defense this offseason if he chooses. If they decide to cut bait with Peppers, Conte & McLellin, the only rotation guys that I think would still be under contract for next year are Paea, Bostic and Frey.
The bad news is, they need an entire new defense.
#EmstinkIsWonderful
#IStandWithPhil
I want this season to end so Phil can get to work. I'm excited to see him get things done.
Phil rules.
Whoa whoa whoa. We sure about that yet?
When he arrived, they had a rotating derpfest at OC, no credible wide receivers or tightends and the worst offensive line in pro football including the Canadian Football League. Fixed.
Now he has the resources needed to fix the defense in full. If he had missed on any of the above, it would be detrimental to his plan. I don't know what more I could ask of him at this point. If he chooses poorly on too many of the players he tabs for the defense, we'll re-evaluate. But as of now, I have to give him an A.
Really my only beef with Earmery is the McLelllin pick. Man that guy sucks. Maybe as a first-time GM he got nervous and accidentally referred to the dry erase draft board easel Angelo forgot to take with him.
Yeah, I generally think Emery's on the right track, but that first pick sticks in my craw. It'd be one thing to draft a guy that everyone thought was a good pick (Chris Williams, Carimi) and said player busts out, but to take a chance on a project that it turns out you can't even remotely develop is disoncerting.
Now, if Emery is man enough to admit his mistake and cut that pile of shit as soon as the season ends, then my faith in him will strengthen.
Speaking of high-risk, high-reward draft picks, I kind of like Alshon Jeffrey and Kyle Long. 2-of-3 is really good in that department. The rest of those first two drafts have produced zero definite contributors however. Jordan Mills, Isiah Fry, Khaseem Greene and Jon Bostic deserve another year to pan out. I don't know what else is there. I also don't know what a good or above-average draft actually looks like because I'm not some fat tard who scours draft boards in lieu of having secks with a woman in my spare time.
Jordan Mills hasn't been a decent pick? He's started every game and the line has been better than it has in a long time.
I'm not sure what his FootballStatsVirgin scores are now, but around mid-season they were below average. He gets a lot of help too. In fact they bring in another fat guy to stand with him in some packages several plays a game. I'm not saying he sucks. I'm saying, nobody is sure yet if he's going to be the starter next year and if they brought in somebody to compete with him nobody should be shocked. Value at his draft slot? Fuckin' A. Longterm stability at the position? Not in my mind. But then again... Football Tard.
He gives up a shit ton of pressure according to PFF, but he's been about average agains tthe run. Certainly reason to hope.
Like Pex said, if he's not the long term answer he's been a good stopgap. Serviceable start from a rookie picked in the 5th round? Not bad at all.
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The good news is that Emery can basically dump the entire defense this offseason if he chooses. If they decide to cut bait with Peppers, Conte & McLellin, the only rotation guys that I think would still be under contract for next year are Paea, Bostic and Frey.
The bad news is, they need an entire new defense.
#EmstinkIsWonderful
#IStandWithPhil
I want this season to end so Phil can get to work. I'm excited to see him get things done.
Phil rules.
Whoa whoa whoa. We sure about that yet?
When he arrived, they had a rotating derpfest at OC, no credible wide receivers or tightends and the worst offensive line in pro football including the Canadian Football League. Fixed.
Now he has the resources needed to fix the defense in full. If he had missed on any of the above, it would be detrimental to his plan. I don't know what more I could ask of him at this point. If he chooses poorly on too many of the players he tabs for the defense, we'll re-evaluate. But as of now, I have to give him an A.
Really my only beef with Earmery is the McLelllin pick. Man that guy sucks. Maybe as a first-time GM he got nervous and accidentally referred to the dry erase draft board easel Angelo forgot to take with him.
Yeah, I generally think Emery's on the right track, but that first pick sticks in my craw. It'd be one thing to draft a guy that everyone thought was a good pick (Chris Williams, Carimi) and said player busts out, but to take a chance on a project that it turns out you can't even remotely develop is disoncerting.
Now, if Emery is man enough to admit his mistake and cut that pile of shit as soon as the season ends, then my faith in him will strengthen.
Speaking of high-risk, high-reward draft picks, I kind of like Alshon Jeffrey and Kyle Long. 2-of-3 is really good in that department. The rest of those first two drafts have produced zero definite contributors however. Jordan Mills, Isiah Fry, Khaseem Greene and Jon Bostic deserve another year to pan out. I don't know what else is there. I also don't know what a good or above-average draft actually looks like because I'm not some fat tard who scours draft boards in lieu of having secks with a woman in my spare time.
Jordan Mills hasn't been a decent pick? He's started every game and the line has been better than it has in a long time.
I'm not sure what his FootballStatsVirgin scores are now, but around mid-season they were below average. He gets a lot of help too. In fact they bring in another fat guy to stand with him in some packages several plays a game. I'm not saying he sucks. I'm saying, nobody is sure yet if he's going to be the starter next year and if they brought in somebody to compete with him nobody should be shocked. Value at his draft slot? Fuckin' A. Longterm stability at the position? Not in my mind. But then again... Football Tard.
He gives up a shit ton of pressure according to PFF, but he's been about average agains tthe run. Certainly reason to hope.
Like Pex said, if he's not the long term answer he's been a good stopgap. Serviceable start from a rookie picked in the 5th round? Not bad at all.
I've watched him closely on a couple of plays that went pear-shaped, particularly against Detroit and St. Louis (my girl lives in Indiana sometimes so I can't have secks and turn into a reclaimed football virgin). On several occasions he looked like there was something wrong with one of his legs, possibly an ankle or foot injury that prevented him from getting where he needed to be. I'm not sure if there is something going on with him that hasn't prevented him from playing but has hampered him and caused them to send in Eebin Britton (sp?) to assist him several plays a game.
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The good news is that Emery can basically dump the entire defense this offseason if he chooses. If they decide to cut bait with Peppers, Conte & McLellin, the only rotation guys that I think would still be under contract for next year are Paea, Bostic and Frey.
The bad news is, they need an entire new defense.
#EmstinkIsWonderful
#IStandWithPhil
I want this season to end so Phil can get to work. I'm excited to see him get things done.
Phil rules.
Whoa whoa whoa. We sure about that yet?
When he arrived, they had a rotating derpfest at OC, no credible wide receivers or tightends and the worst offensive line in pro football including the Canadian Football League. Fixed.
Now he has the resources needed to fix the defense in full. If he had missed on any of the above, it would be detrimental to his plan. I don't know what more I could ask of him at this point. If he chooses poorly on too many of the players he tabs for the defense, we'll re-evaluate. But as of now, I have to give him an A.
Really my only beef with Earmery is the McLelllin pick. Man that guy sucks. Maybe as a first-time GM he got nervous and accidentally referred to the dry erase draft board easel Angelo forgot to take with him.
Yeah, I generally think Emery's on the right track, but that first pick sticks in my craw. It'd be one thing to draft a guy that everyone thought was a good pick (Chris Williams, Carimi) and said player busts out, but to take a chance on a project that it turns out you can't even remotely develop is disoncerting.
Now, if Emery is man enough to admit his mistake and cut that pile of shit as soon as the season ends, then my faith in him will strengthen.
Speaking of high-risk, high-reward draft picks, I kind of like Alshon Jeffrey and Kyle Long. 2-of-3 is really good in that department. The rest of those first two drafts have produced zero definite contributors however. Jordan Mills, Isiah Fry, Khaseem Greene and Jon Bostic deserve another year to pan out. I don't know what else is there. I also don't know what a good or above-average draft actually looks like because I'm not some fat tard who scours draft boards in lieu of having secks with a woman in my spare time.
Jordan Mills hasn't been a decent pick? He's started every game and the line has been better than it has in a long time.
I'm not sure what his FootballStatsVirgin scores are now, but around mid-season they were below average. He gets a lot of help too. In fact they bring in another fat guy to stand with him in some packages several plays a game. I'm not saying he sucks. I'm saying, nobody is sure yet if he's going to be the starter next year and if they brought in somebody to compete with him nobody should be shocked. Value at his draft slot? Fuckin' A. Longterm stability at the position? Not in my mind. But then again... Football Tard.
He gives up a shit ton of pressure according to PFF, but he's been about average agains tthe run. Certainly reason to hope.
Like Pex said, if he's not the long term answer he's been a good stopgap. Serviceable start from a rookie picked in the 5th round? Not bad at all.
I've watched him closely on a couple of plays that went pear-shaped, particularly against Detroit and St. Louis. On several occasions he looked like there was something wrong with one of his legs, possibly an ankle or foot injury that prevented him from getting where he needed to be. I'm not sure if there is something going on with him that hasn't prevented him from playing but has hampered him and caused them to send in Eebin Britton (sp?) to assist him several plays a game.
Eben Britton's been in a lot because Marty B fucked up his shoulder and hasn't been as effective as a blocker as he had been the last few years.
Mostly repeated from the shoutbox, but whatever, since Yeti asked about Pepper's cap hit which is 18.2 mil if they keep him or 9.8 mil if they don't:
So I crunched it out.
126.3 salary cap limit next year.
Bears have 79 million committed, but if they cut Peppers, BBE, and Bush that's another 14.1 million.
So that's 61 mildo. Let's say they tag Cutler at 16 mil and not even a team friendly extension. We'll say they extend Slauson at no more than 3 mil per. So that's 19 million for those two, offense done.
That's 42 million. Thanks to our awesome new CBA it takes like 3 mil a year to sign draft picks, tops.
So we're looking at 39 million minimum probably in free agency if they keep Cutler at Worst Case Scenario dollars. If he negotiates a team-friendly extension anywhere close to the 12-14 mil we're talking about that's probably 41 million in cap This year alone, assuming no Marshall extension or anything else for cap relief on offense. To me that's plenty of money to keep Jay and fix the defense and not have me laying awake at night in a cold sweat wondering if a 35 year old McCown or a rookie can be productive for a full season. Worth it to me.
Quote from: SKO on December 23, 2013, 01:47:33 PM
Mostly repeated from the shoutbox, but whatever, since Yeti asked about Pepper's cap hit which is 18.2 mil if they keep him or 9.8 mil if they don't:
So I crunched it out.
126.3 salary cap limit next year.
Bears have 79 million committed, but if they cut Peppers, BBE, and Bush that's another 14.1 million.
So that's 61 mildo. Let's say they tag Cutler at 16 mil and not even a team friendly extension. We'll say they extend Slauson at no more than 3 mil per. So that's 19 million for those two, offense done.
That's 42 million. Thanks to our awesome new CBA it takes like 3 mil a year to sign draft picks, tops.
So we're looking at 39 million minimum probably in free agency if they keep Cutler at Worst Case Scenario dollars. If he negotiates a team-friendly extension anywhere close to the 12-14 mil we're talking about that's probably 41 million in cap This year alone, assuming no Marshall extension or anything else for cap relief on offense. To me that's plenty of money to keep Jay and fix the defense and not have me laying awake at night in a cold sweat wondering if a 35 year old McCown or a rookie can be productive for a full season. Worth it to me.
I wouldn't mind spending a small handful of that loot on a new starting center and a competent tackle to compete with Mills next year. Hopefully they can find a backup RB in the draft as opposed to spending FA money on that position.
Quote from: R-V on December 23, 2013, 01:54:47 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 23, 2013, 01:47:33 PM
Mostly repeated from the shoutbox, but whatever, since Yeti asked about Pepper's cap hit which is 18.2 mil if they keep him or 9.8 mil if they don't:
So I crunched it out.
126.3 salary cap limit next year.
Bears have 79 million committed, but if they cut Peppers, BBE, and Bush that's another 14.1 million.
So that's 61 mildo. Let's say they tag Cutler at 16 mil and not even a team friendly extension. We'll say they extend Slauson at no more than 3 mil per. So that's 19 million for those two, offense done.
That's 42 million. Thanks to our awesome new CBA it takes like 3 mil a year to sign draft picks, tops.
So we're looking at 39 million minimum probably in free agency if they keep Cutler at Worst Case Scenario dollars. If he negotiates a team-friendly extension anywhere close to the 12-14 mil we're talking about that's probably 41 million in cap This year alone, assuming no Marshall extension or anything else for cap relief on offense. To me that's plenty of money to keep Jay and fix the defense and not have me laying awake at night in a cold sweat wondering if a 35 year old McCown or a rookie can be productive for a full season. Worth it to me.
I wouldn't mind spending a small handful of that loot on a new starting center and a competent tackle to compete with Mills next year. Hopefully they can find a backup RB in the draft as opposed to spending FA money on that position.
There's any number of serviceable goal-line backs available for the vet minimum in free agency, I'm sure. Why you'd bother committing anything of value to a backup a the most easily replaceable position in the game I don't know.
Quote from: SKO on December 23, 2013, 02:00:05 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 23, 2013, 01:54:47 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 23, 2013, 01:47:33 PM
Mostly repeated from the shoutbox, but whatever, since Yeti asked about Pepper's cap hit which is 18.2 mil if they keep him or 9.8 mil if they don't:
So I crunched it out.
126.3 salary cap limit next year.
Bears have 79 million committed, but if they cut Peppers, BBE, and Bush that's another 14.1 million.
So that's 61 mildo. Let's say they tag Cutler at 16 mil and not even a team friendly extension. We'll say they extend Slauson at no more than 3 mil per. So that's 19 million for those two, offense done.
That's 42 million. Thanks to our awesome new CBA it takes like 3 mil a year to sign draft picks, tops.
So we're looking at 39 million minimum probably in free agency if they keep Cutler at Worst Case Scenario dollars. If he negotiates a team-friendly extension anywhere close to the 12-14 mil we're talking about that's probably 41 million in cap This year alone, assuming no Marshall extension or anything else for cap relief on offense. To me that's plenty of money to keep Jay and fix the defense and not have me laying awake at night in a cold sweat wondering if a 35 year old McCown or a rookie can be productive for a full season. Worth it to me.
I wouldn't mind spending a small handful of that loot on a new starting center and a competent tackle to compete with Mills next year. Hopefully they can find a backup RB in the draft as opposed to spending FA money on that position.
There's any number of serviceable goal-line backs available for the vet minimum in free agency, I'm sure. Why you'd bother committing anything of value to a backup a the most easily replaceable position in the game I don't know.
Because Chester Taylor, Marion Barber The Turd and Michael Bush have scarred our fanbase into a belief that such things are important enough to throw obscene amounts of cash at. Make it rain, Emstink.
Quote from: SKO on December 23, 2013, 02:00:05 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 23, 2013, 01:54:47 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 23, 2013, 01:47:33 PM
Mostly repeated from the shoutbox, but whatever, since Yeti asked about Pepper's cap hit which is 18.2 mil if they keep him or 9.8 mil if they don't:
So I crunched it out.
126.3 salary cap limit next year.
Bears have 79 million committed, but if they cut Peppers, BBE, and Bush that's another 14.1 million.
So that's 61 mildo. Let's say they tag Cutler at 16 mil and not even a team friendly extension. We'll say they extend Slauson at no more than 3 mil per. So that's 19 million for those two, offense done.
That's 42 million. Thanks to our awesome new CBA it takes like 3 mil a year to sign draft picks, tops.
So we're looking at 39 million minimum probably in free agency if they keep Cutler at Worst Case Scenario dollars. If he negotiates a team-friendly extension anywhere close to the 12-14 mil we're talking about that's probably 41 million in cap This year alone, assuming no Marshall extension or anything else for cap relief on offense. To me that's plenty of money to keep Jay and fix the defense and not have me laying awake at night in a cold sweat wondering if a 35 year old McCown or a rookie can be productive for a full season. Worth it to me.
I wouldn't mind spending a small handful of that loot on a new starting center and a competent tackle to compete with Mills next year. Hopefully they can find a backup RB in the draft as opposed to spending FA money on that position.
There's any number of serviceable goal-line backs available for the vet minimum in free agency, I'm sure. Why you'd bother committing anything of value to a backup a the most easily replaceable position in the game I don't know.
What about center? RV is right - the bloated corpse of Robstink Garza needs to go.
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Quote from: SKO on December 23, 2013, 02:00:05 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 23, 2013, 01:54:47 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 23, 2013, 01:47:33 PM
Mostly repeated from the shoutbox, but whatever, since Yeti asked about Pepper's cap hit which is 18.2 mil if they keep him or 9.8 mil if they don't:
So I crunched it out.
126.3 salary cap limit next year.
Bears have 79 million committed, but if they cut Peppers, BBE, and Bush that's another 14.1 million.
So that's 61 mildo. Let's say they tag Cutler at 16 mil and not even a team friendly extension. We'll say they extend Slauson at no more than 3 mil per. So that's 19 million for those two, offense done.
That's 42 million. Thanks to our awesome new CBA it takes like 3 mil a year to sign draft picks, tops.
So we're looking at 39 million minimum probably in free agency if they keep Cutler at Worst Case Scenario dollars. If he negotiates a team-friendly extension anywhere close to the 12-14 mil we're talking about that's probably 41 million in cap This year alone, assuming no Marshall extension or anything else for cap relief on offense. To me that's plenty of money to keep Jay and fix the defense and not have me laying awake at night in a cold sweat wondering if a 35 year old McCown or a rookie can be productive for a full season. Worth it to me.
I wouldn't mind spending a small handful of that loot on a new starting center and a competent tackle to compete with Mills next year. Hopefully they can find a backup RB in the draft as opposed to spending FA money on that position.
There's any number of serviceable goal-line backs available for the vet minimum in free agency, I'm sure. Why you'd bother committing anything of value to a backup a the most easily replaceable position in the game I don't know.
What about center? RV is right - the bloated corpse of Robstink Garza needs to go.
Not really worried there. Centers are fairly cheap. Wouldn't make much of a difference in terms of cap hit to sign a FA center, most likely. Hopefully they do so, but in terms of how it will affect the cap my guess is not at all.
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Quote from: SKO on December 23, 2013, 02:00:05 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 23, 2013, 01:54:47 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 23, 2013, 01:47:33 PM
Mostly repeated from the shoutbox, but whatever, since Yeti asked about Pepper's cap hit which is 18.2 mil if they keep him or 9.8 mil if they don't:
So I crunched it out.
126.3 salary cap limit next year.
Bears have 79 million committed, but if they cut Peppers, BBE, and Bush that's another 14.1 million.
So that's 61 mildo. Let's say they tag Cutler at 16 mil and not even a team friendly extension. We'll say they extend Slauson at no more than 3 mil per. So that's 19 million for those two, offense done.
That's 42 million. Thanks to our awesome new CBA it takes like 3 mil a year to sign draft picks, tops.
So we're looking at 39 million minimum probably in free agency if they keep Cutler at Worst Case Scenario dollars. If he negotiates a team-friendly extension anywhere close to the 12-14 mil we're talking about that's probably 41 million in cap This year alone, assuming no Marshall extension or anything else for cap relief on offense. To me that's plenty of money to keep Jay and fix the defense and not have me laying awake at night in a cold sweat wondering if a 35 year old McCown or a rookie can be productive for a full season. Worth it to me.
I wouldn't mind spending a small handful of that loot on a new starting center and a competent tackle to compete with Mills next year. Hopefully they can find a backup RB in the draft as opposed to spending FA money on that position.
There's any number of serviceable goal-line backs available for the vet minimum in free agency, I'm sure. Why you'd bother committing anything of value to a backup a the most easily replaceable position in the game I don't know.
Because Chester Taylor, Marion Barber The Turd and Michael Bush have scarred our fanbase into a belief that such things are important enough to throw obscene amounts of cash at. Make it rain, Emstink.
Is there any statistical evidence that having a dedicated "goal-line" back is more effective than using your starting RB as the goal-line guy?
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Quote from: InternetApex on December 23, 2013, 02:03:03 PM
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Quote from: R-V on December 23, 2013, 01:54:47 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 23, 2013, 01:47:33 PM
Mostly repeated from the shoutbox, but whatever, since Yeti asked about Pepper's cap hit which is 18.2 mil if they keep him or 9.8 mil if they don't:
So I crunched it out.
126.3 salary cap limit next year.
Bears have 79 million committed, but if they cut Peppers, BBE, and Bush that's another 14.1 million.
So that's 61 mildo. Let's say they tag Cutler at 16 mil and not even a team friendly extension. We'll say they extend Slauson at no more than 3 mil per. So that's 19 million for those two, offense done.
That's 42 million. Thanks to our awesome new CBA it takes like 3 mil a year to sign draft picks, tops.
So we're looking at 39 million minimum probably in free agency if they keep Cutler at Worst Case Scenario dollars. If he negotiates a team-friendly extension anywhere close to the 12-14 mil we're talking about that's probably 41 million in cap This year alone, assuming no Marshall extension or anything else for cap relief on offense. To me that's plenty of money to keep Jay and fix the defense and not have me laying awake at night in a cold sweat wondering if a 35 year old McCown or a rookie can be productive for a full season. Worth it to me.
I wouldn't mind spending a small handful of that loot on a new starting center and a competent tackle to compete with Mills next year. Hopefully they can find a backup RB in the draft as opposed to spending FA money on that position.
There's any number of serviceable goal-line backs available for the vet minimum in free agency, I'm sure. Why you'd bother committing anything of value to a backup a the most easily replaceable position in the game I don't know.
Because Chester Taylor, Marion Barber The Turd and Michael Bush have scarred our fanbase into a belief that such things are important enough to throw obscene amounts of cash at. Make it rain, Emstink.
Is there any statistical evidence that having a dedicated "goal-line" back is more effective than using your starting RB as the goal-line guy?
Actually, for the Bears this year, the exact opposite is true. Defenses stack 9 in the box against Bush, which means Forte has been more effective in short yardage because teams think they might pass.
Man I had forgottten all about Chester Taylor.
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Quote from: SKO on December 23, 2013, 02:00:05 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 23, 2013, 01:54:47 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 23, 2013, 01:47:33 PM
Mostly repeated from the shoutbox, but whatever, since Yeti asked about Pepper's cap hit which is 18.2 mil if they keep him or 9.8 mil if they don't:
So I crunched it out.
126.3 salary cap limit next year.
Bears have 79 million committed, but if they cut Peppers, BBE, and Bush that's another 14.1 million.
So that's 61 mildo. Let's say they tag Cutler at 16 mil and not even a team friendly extension. We'll say they extend Slauson at no more than 3 mil per. So that's 19 million for those two, offense done.
That's 42 million. Thanks to our awesome new CBA it takes like 3 mil a year to sign draft picks, tops.
So we're looking at 39 million minimum probably in free agency if they keep Cutler at Worst Case Scenario dollars. If he negotiates a team-friendly extension anywhere close to the 12-14 mil we're talking about that's probably 41 million in cap This year alone, assuming no Marshall extension or anything else for cap relief on offense. To me that's plenty of money to keep Jay and fix the defense and not have me laying awake at night in a cold sweat wondering if a 35 year old McCown or a rookie can be productive for a full season. Worth it to me.
I wouldn't mind spending a small handful of that loot on a new starting center and a competent tackle to compete with Mills next year. Hopefully they can find a backup RB in the draft as opposed to spending FA money on that position.
There's any number of serviceable goal-line backs available for the vet minimum in free agency, I'm sure. Why you'd bother committing anything of value to a backup a the most easily replaceable position in the game I don't know.
What about center? RV is right - the bloated corpse of Robstink Garza needs to go.
Not really worried there. Centers are fairly cheap. Wouldn't make much of a difference in terms of cap hit to sign a FA center, most likely. Hopefully they do so, but in terms of how it will affect the cap my guess is not at all.
While you guys are talking about Bears Futureboner 2014, can this team please get a punter than can go a week without shanking two kicks? Come to think of it, why did they ever let Maynard go?
Podleshank makes me long for the days of Dave Finzer.
Quote from: SKO on December 23, 2013, 01:47:33 PM
Mostly repeated from the shoutbox, but whatever, since Yeti asked about Pepper's cap hit which is 18.2 mil if they keep him or 9.8 mil if they don't:
So I crunched it out.
126.3 salary cap limit next year.
Bears have 79 million committed, but if they cut Peppers, BBE, and Bush that's another 14.1 million.
So that's 61 mildo. Let's say they tag Cutler at 16 mil and not even a team friendly extension. We'll say they extend Slauson at no more than 3 mil per. So that's 19 million for those two, offense done.
That's 42 million. Thanks to our awesome new CBA it takes like 3 mil a year to sign draft picks, tops.
So we're looking at 39 million minimum probably in free agency if they keep Cutler at Worst Case Scenario dollars. If he negotiates a team-friendly extension anywhere close to the 12-14 mil we're talking about that's probably 41 million in cap This year alone, assuming no Marshall extension or anything else for cap relief on offense. To me that's plenty of money to keep Jay and fix the defense and not have me laying awake at night in a cold sweat wondering if a 35 year old McCown or a rookie can be productive for a full season. Worth it to me.
Martellus has talked about wanting to play with his brother, and that Michael is a free agent at the end of the year. He basically told B&B he's recruiting him to Chicago for next season. Anyway, assuming he's serious, would he be a fit, and would he be any good?
Also, it was pretty subtle so I don't know if you guys caught this, but Pex has sex. With girls!
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Quote from: SKO on December 23, 2013, 01:47:33 PM
Mostly repeated from the shoutbox, but whatever, since Yeti asked about Pepper's cap hit which is 18.2 mil if they keep him or 9.8 mil if they don't:
So I crunched it out.
126.3 salary cap limit next year.
Bears have 79 million committed, but if they cut Peppers, BBE, and Bush that's another 14.1 million.
So that's 61 mildo. Let's say they tag Cutler at 16 mil and not even a team friendly extension. We'll say they extend Slauson at no more than 3 mil per. So that's 19 million for those two, offense done.
That's 42 million. Thanks to our awesome new CBA it takes like 3 mil a year to sign draft picks, tops.
So we're looking at 39 million minimum probably in free agency if they keep Cutler at Worst Case Scenario dollars. If he negotiates a team-friendly extension anywhere close to the 12-14 mil we're talking about that's probably 41 million in cap This year alone, assuming no Marshall extension or anything else for cap relief on offense. To me that's plenty of money to keep Jay and fix the defense and not have me laying awake at night in a cold sweat wondering if a 35 year old McCown or a rookie can be productive for a full season. Worth it to me.
Martellus has talked about wanting to play with his brother, and that Michael is a free agent at the end of the year. He basically told B&B he's recruiting him to Chicago for next season. Anyway, assuming he's serious, would he be a fit, and would he be any good?
Also, it was pretty subtle so I don't know if you guys caught this, but Pex has sex. With girls!
Its better than the alternative
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 24, 2013, 04:55:48 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 23, 2013, 01:47:33 PM
Mostly repeated from the shoutbox, but whatever, since Yeti asked about Pepper's cap hit which is 18.2 mil if they keep him or 9.8 mil if they don't:
So I crunched it out.
126.3 salary cap limit next year.
Bears have 79 million committed, but if they cut Peppers, BBE, and Bush that's another 14.1 million.
So that's 61 mildo. Let's say they tag Cutler at 16 mil and not even a team friendly extension. We'll say they extend Slauson at no more than 3 mil per. So that's 19 million for those two, offense done.
That's 42 million. Thanks to our awesome new CBA it takes like 3 mil a year to sign draft picks, tops.
So we're looking at 39 million minimum probably in free agency if they keep Cutler at Worst Case Scenario dollars. If he negotiates a team-friendly extension anywhere close to the 12-14 mil we're talking about that's probably 41 million in cap This year alone, assuming no Marshall extension or anything else for cap relief on offense. To me that's plenty of money to keep Jay and fix the defense and not have me laying awake at night in a cold sweat wondering if a 35 year old McCown or a rookie can be productive for a full season. Worth it to me.
Martellus has talked about wanting to play with his brother, and that Michael is a free agent at the end of the year. He basically told B&B he's recruiting him to Chicago for next season. Anyway, assuming he's serious, would he be a fit, and would he be any good?
Also, it was pretty subtle so I don't know if you guys caught this, but Pex has sex. With girls!
Michael Bennett has been the free agent I've been drooling over most since the season started. He was great in Tampa last year, he's been great in Seattle this year, he plays all four spots on the DL. He'd be like the second coming of Israel Idonije. They need that.
Quote from: Yeti on December 24, 2013, 06:17:28 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 24, 2013, 04:55:48 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 23, 2013, 01:47:33 PM
Mostly repeated from the shoutbox, but whatever, since Yeti asked about Pepper's cap hit which is 18.2 mil if they keep him or 9.8 mil if they don't:
So I crunched it out.
126.3 salary cap limit next year.
Bears have 79 million committed, but if they cut Peppers, BBE, and Bush that's another 14.1 million.
So that's 61 mildo. Let's say they tag Cutler at 16 mil and not even a team friendly extension. We'll say they extend Slauson at no more than 3 mil per. So that's 19 million for those two, offense done.
That's 42 million. Thanks to our awesome new CBA it takes like 3 mil a year to sign draft picks, tops.
So we're looking at 39 million minimum probably in free agency if they keep Cutler at Worst Case Scenario dollars. If he negotiates a team-friendly extension anywhere close to the 12-14 mil we're talking about that's probably 41 million in cap This year alone, assuming no Marshall extension or anything else for cap relief on offense. To me that's plenty of money to keep Jay and fix the defense and not have me laying awake at night in a cold sweat wondering if a 35 year old McCown or a rookie can be productive for a full season. Worth it to me.
Martellus has talked about wanting to play with his brother, and that Michael is a free agent at the end of the year. He basically told B&B he's recruiting him to Chicago for next season. Anyway, assuming he's serious, would he be a fit, and would he be any good?
Also, it was pretty subtle so I don't know if you guys caught this, but Pex has sex. With girls!
Its better than the alternative
jeslakkawumun
Quote from: Bonk on December 24, 2013, 03:27:29 AM
Come to think of it, why did they ever let Maynard go?
He's probably available.
So it's Rodgers. At least to start.
Kind of fun that it comes down to Cutler vs. Rodgers with the division title on the line at home.
I imagine even if the Bears lose he'll get re-signed but I guess this is 'good for the game' or some bullshit.
Quote from: Slaky on December 26, 2013, 02:07:45 PM
So it's Rodgers. At least to start.
Kind of fun that it comes down to Cutler vs. Rodgers with the division title on the line at home.
I imagine even if the Bears lose he'll get re-signed but I guess this is 'good for the game' or some bullshit.
I am looking into some crystal, and here's what I see:
Carolina beats Atlanta, clinching the 2nd Seed.
St. Louis beats Seattle and the Niners beat Arizona.
Aaron Rodgers looks timid and the Packers defense even more porous than the Bears D. A Tim Jennings INT for touchdown and a Peppers/sack forced fumble makes all the difference in the Bears' 41-28 win. Matt Flynn plays the final 15 minutes.
Philadelphia is too busy making love to their film from last week to fear the one man who can bring justice to the NFL:
(http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/orton%20montage.jpg)
So, we're left with this:
1) Forty-Whiners
2) Chico's
Bail Bondsp Carolina Panthers
3) Bears
4) Neckbeard and a bunch of guys bad at football that Jerry Jones keeps writing checks to.
5) She-hawks
6) SKO's Saints.
Bears beat Saints outdoors and Seattke knocks off Jerry's kids. Seattke beats SF to close the 'Stick and the Bears stick it to Chico and Greg Olsen.
Seahawks lose to Bears in Chicago.
Bears go into the swamp to wipe that ugly grimace of Peyton Manning's face as a Noreaster bears down (no pun intended) on the Tri-State area.
Quote from: Brownie on December 27, 2013, 10:09:59 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 26, 2013, 02:07:45 PM
So it's Rodgers. At least to start.
Kind of fun that it comes down to Cutler vs. Rodgers with the division title on the line at home.
I imagine even if the Bears lose he'll get re-signed but I guess this is 'good for the game' or some bullshit.
I am looking into some crystal, and here's what I see:
Carolina beats Atlanta, clinching the 2nd Seed.
St. Louis beats Seattle and the Niners beat Arizona.
Aaron Rodgers looks timid and the Packers defense even more porous than the Bears D. A Tim Jennings INT for touchdown and a Peppers/sack forced fumble makes all the difference in the Bears' 41-28 win. Matt Flynn plays the final 15 minutes.
Philadelphia is too busy making love to their film from last week to fear the one man who can bring justice to the NFL:
(http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/orton%20montage.jpg)
So, we're left with this:
1) Forty-Whiners
2) Chico's Bail Bondsp Carolina Panthers
3) Bears
4) Neckbeard and a bunch of guys bad at football that Jerry Jones keeps writing checks to.
5) She-hawks
6) SKO's Saints.
Bears beat Saints outdoors and Seattke knocks off Jerry's kids. Seattke beats SF to close the 'Stick and the Bears stick it to Chico and Greg Olsen.
Seahawks lose to Bears in Chicago.
Bears go into the swamp to wipe that ugly grimace of Peyton Manning's face as a Noreaster bears down (no pun intended) on the Tri-State area.
*turns girlfriend's kitchen into a one man food fight scene from Animal House*
Just a pre-emptive "Shut up" to CFiHP whenever he stumbles in here.
Son of a fucking bitch.
The beautiful Italian that I married made an outstanding minestrone this morning.
I'm about to have a bowl of it for dinner.
I may also have a bowl of after dinner vodka.
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a30/Halman/viva.jpg)
Quote from: Eli on December 29, 2013, 03:38:56 PM
Just a pre-emptive "Shut up" to CFiHP whenever he stumbles in here.
I'll take the Orton that showed up through tree quarters to the Jay that showed up tonight. His first half was painfully brutal - there were so many missed opportunities that GB should never have been in the game. 7/12 or whatever for 65-ish yards and a TD is Brandon Weedon bad.
The defense obviously was the real villain here, but Jay had multiple chances to man up and put it away, and he failed to do it. On the other side of the field, he got to watch a HOF QB come up clutch and kill the Bears once again. Does anyone think that if Cutler were in Rodgers shoes on that 4th and 8, that he would've 1. avoided the sack, and 2. thrown that good of a ball to Cobb? It would've either sailed 10 yards on him or fallen 5 yards short.
Jay's numbers the last three weeks have done nothing to earn him a spot here next season. This is what happens when you fix what isn't broken.
I hope the entire state of Wisconsin dies in a fire tonight.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 29, 2013, 09:49:29 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 29, 2013, 03:38:56 PM
Just a pre-emptive "Shut up" to CFiHP whenever he stumbles in here.
The defense obviously was the real villain here, but Jay had multiple chances to man up and put it away, and he failed to do it. On the other side of the field, he got to watch a HOF QB come up clutch and kill the Bears once again. Does anyone think that if Cutler were in Rodgers shoes on that 4th and 8, that he would've 1. avoided the sack, and 2. thrown that good of a ball to Cobb? It would've either sailed 10 yards on him or fallen 5 yards short.
Would Jay get to play against Mel Tucker's defensive unit?
But I have to say FUCK JAY CUTLER.
1) He could of picked up that loose ball and ran it back for a touchdown instead of Boykins.
2) He could of covered better when he wore number 47.
3) He could of sacked Rodgers on 4th and 8 when he wore number 90
4) He could of called a much less aggressive play on 4th and 8 that would of won the game for the Bears
5) He should of called delay of game on the Packers on 4th and 1
6) He could of made that field goal on 3rd down at the HHH Dome four weeks ago.
7) He could of made the plays late in the game against Washington instead of letting them score.
8) He could of coaxed Urlacher into coming back for one more year even though Urlacher was finished.
9) He could of told Rose to show some balls and come back for the playoffs.
10) He should of walked to the mound after Prior was rattled with a 2-2 count on Castillo and Mordecai on 2nd base. After all they were up 3-0 and that foul ball was not the end-all be-all.
10) He should of told Dusty that he'd be able to come in out of the pen in Games 6 and 7.
11) He should of told Gary Woods to lay off the fucking Gatorade because he's going to spill some on Leon Durham's glove!
12) He should of not grooved that fastball to Willie Stargell
13) He should of called tails in 1969 so the Bears could draft Bradshaw.
14) He shouldn't of agreed to cede Sudetenland to Germany and then fly back to England promising "Peace in Our Time."
15) He shouldn't of told President Lincoln to go watch My American Cousin.
Cutler should go play for Minnesota and stick it up our collective asses for another 5 or 6 years. We deserve the next crop of Will Fuhrers, Steve Stenstroms, Mark Butterfields, and Craig Krenzel. Fuck us.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 29, 2013, 10:09:07 PM
I hope the entire state of Wisconsin dies in a fire tonight.
I hope fucking Mel Tucker, James Anderson and Chris Cunte escape to Wisconsin to join in the death toll.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 29, 2013, 09:49:29 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 29, 2013, 03:38:56 PM
Just a pre-emptive "Shut up" to CFiHP whenever he stumbles in here.
I'll take the Orton that showed up through tree quarters to the Jay that showed up tonight. His first half was painfully brutal - there were so many missed opportunities that GB should never have been in the game. 7/12 or whatever for 65-ish yards and a TD is Brandon Weedon bad.
The defense obviously was the real villain here, but Jay had multiple chances to man up and put it away, and he failed to do it. On the other side of the field, he got to watch a HOF QB come up clutch and kill the Bears once again. Does anyone think that if Cutler were in Rodgers shoes on that 4th and 8, that he would've 1. avoided the sack, and 2. thrown that good of a ball to Cobb? It would've either sailed 10 yards on him or fallen 5 yards short.
Jay's numbers the last three weeks have done nothing to earn him a spot here next season. This is what happens when you fix what isn't broken.
I don't think I have any emotion left for the 2013 Chicago Bears. But you're about one post away from ending up on my Dead Pool List every year until I cash in. I'm putting over/under for that score at about 12.5 and I'm not kidding at all.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 29, 2013, 09:49:29 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 29, 2013, 03:38:56 PM
Just a pre-emptive "Shut up" to CFiHP whenever he stumbles in here.
I'll take the Orton that showed up through tree quarters to the Jay that showed up tonight. His first half was painfully brutal - there were so many missed opportunities that GB should never have been in the game. 7/12 or whatever for 65-ish yards and a TD is Brandon Weedon bad.
The defense obviously was the real villain here, but Jay had multiple chances to man up and put it away, and he failed to do it. On the other side of the field, he got to watch a HOF QB come up clutch and kill the Bears once again. Does anyone think that if Cutler were in Rodgers shoes on that 4th and 8, that he would've 1. avoided the sack, and 2. thrown that good of a ball to Cobb? It would've either sailed 10 yards on him or fallen 5 yards short.
Jay's numbers the last three weeks have done nothing to earn him a spot here next season. This is what happens when you fix what isn't broken.
FUCK YOU
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 29, 2013, 10:09:07 PM
I hope the entire state of Wisconsin dies in a fire tonight.
Does CFiHP live in Wisconsin?
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 29, 2013, 09:49:29 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 29, 2013, 03:38:56 PM
Just a pre-emptive "Shut up" to CFiHP whenever he stumbles in here.
I'll take the Orton that showed up through tree quarters to the Jay that showed up tonight. His first half was painfully brutal - there were so many missed opportunities that GB should never have been in the game. 7/12 or whatever for 65-ish yards and a TD is Brandon Weedon bad.
The defense obviously was the real villain here, but Jay had multiple chances to man up and put it away, and he failed to do it. On the other side of the field, he got to watch a HOF QB come up clutch and kill the Bears once again. Does anyone think that if Cutler were in Rodgers shoes on that 4th and 8, that he would've 1. avoided the sack, and 2. thrown that good of a ball to Cobb? It would've either sailed 10 yards on him or fallen 5 yards short.
Jay's numbers the last three weeks have done nothing to earn him a spot here next season. This is what happens when you fix what isn't broken.
Also, the QB spot wasn't broken? What alternate reality did you live in during the 00s? 90s for the matter, too?
Quote from: Yeti on December 30, 2013, 09:07:11 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 29, 2013, 09:49:29 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 29, 2013, 03:38:56 PM
Just a pre-emptive "Shut up" to CFiHP whenever he stumbles in here.
I'll take the Orton that showed up through tree quarters to the Jay that showed up tonight. His first half was painfully brutal - there were so many missed opportunities that GB should never have been in the game. 7/12 or whatever for 65-ish yards and a TD is Brandon Weedon bad.
The defense obviously was the real villain here, but Jay had multiple chances to man up and put it away, and he failed to do it. On the other side of the field, he got to watch a HOF QB come up clutch and kill the Bears once again. Does anyone think that if Cutler were in Rodgers shoes on that 4th and 8, that he would've 1. avoided the sack, and 2. thrown that good of a ball to Cobb? It would've either sailed 10 yards on him or fallen 5 yards short.
Jay's numbers the last three weeks have done nothing to earn him a spot here next season. This is what happens when you fix what isn't broken.
Also, the QB spot wasn't broken? What alternate reality did you live in during the 00s? 90s for the matter, too?
He means it wasn't broken when McGowan had the gig.
Quote from: InternetApex on December 30, 2013, 09:12:43 AM
Quote from: Yeti on December 30, 2013, 09:07:11 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 29, 2013, 09:49:29 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 29, 2013, 03:38:56 PM
Just a pre-emptive "Shut up" to CFiHP whenever he stumbles in here.
I'll take the Orton that showed up through tree quarters to the Jay that showed up tonight. His first half was painfully brutal - there were so many missed opportunities that GB should never have been in the game. 7/12 or whatever for 65-ish yards and a TD is Brandon Weedon bad.
The defense obviously was the real villain here, but Jay had multiple chances to man up and put it away, and he failed to do it. On the other side of the field, he got to watch a HOF QB come up clutch and kill the Bears once again. Does anyone think that if Cutler were in Rodgers shoes on that 4th and 8, that he would've 1. avoided the sack, and 2. thrown that good of a ball to Cobb? It would've either sailed 10 yards on him or fallen 5 yards short.
Jay's numbers the last three weeks have done nothing to earn him a spot here next season. This is what happens when you fix what isn't broken.
Also, the QB spot wasn't broken? What alternate reality did you live in during the 00s? 90s for the matter, too?
He means it wasn't broken when McGowan had the gig.
OK, but it wasn't broken before McGowaner had the gig.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 29, 2013, 09:49:29 PMJay had multiple chances to man up and put it away, and he failed to do it.
Real men have big throbbing wieners which make them good at football argle bargle
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 29, 2013, 09:49:29 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 29, 2013, 03:38:56 PM
Just a pre-emptive "Shut up" to CFiHP whenever he stumbles in here.
I'll take the Orton that showed up through tree quarters to the Jay that showed up tonight. His first half was painfully brutal - there were so many missed opportunities that GB should never have been in the game. 7/12 or whatever for 65-ish yards and a TD is Brandon Weedon bad.
The defense obviously was the real villain here, but Jay had multiple chances to man up and put it away, and he failed to do it. On the other side of the field, he got to watch a HOF QB come up clutch and kill the Bears once again. Does anyone think that if Cutler were in Rodgers shoes on that 4th and 8, that he would've 1. avoided the sack, and 2. thrown that good of a ball to Cobb? It would've either sailed 10 yards on him or fallen 5 yards short.
Jay's numbers the last three weeks have done nothing to earn him a spot here next season. This is what happens when you fix what isn't broken.
Goddamn, I hate it so much when people hate incorrectly.
If you're going to boil down the problems with Jay Cutler to "He's not Aaron Rodgers" than you're going to suffer a lifetime of disappointment with your QB.
Quote from: PenFoe on December 30, 2013, 09:56:50 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 29, 2013, 09:49:29 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 29, 2013, 03:38:56 PM
Just a pre-emptive "Shut up" to CFiHP whenever he stumbles in here.
I'll take the Orton that showed up through tree quarters to the Jay that showed up tonight. His first half was painfully brutal - there were so many missed opportunities that GB should never have been in the game. 7/12 or whatever for 65-ish yards and a TD is Brandon Weedon bad.
The defense obviously was the real villain here, but Jay had multiple chances to man up and put it away, and he failed to do it. On the other side of the field, he got to watch a HOF QB come up clutch and kill the Bears once again. Does anyone think that if Cutler were in Rodgers shoes on that 4th and 8, that he would've 1. avoided the sack, and 2. thrown that good of a ball to Cobb? It would've either sailed 10 yards on him or fallen 5 yards short.
Jay's numbers the last three weeks have done nothing to earn him a spot here next season. This is what happens when you fix what isn't broken.
Goddamn, I hate it so much when people hate incorrectly.
If you're going to boil down the problems with Jay Cutler to "He's not Aaron Rodgers" than you're going to suffer a lifetime of disappointment with your QB.
Jay had 9 incompletions in this game. 3 of them were drops. One of them was an throw on 3rd and 17 that actually hit Jeffery in the hands but Jeffery couldn't make the tough grab. One was a throwaway on second and goal (he threw a TD pass the next play).
So basically if you miss on four passes you are not Aaron Rodgers, even though he had two interceptions early in the game in the red zone and cost HIS team a chance to put it away early.
I guess as far as his first half passing yardage that it's Jay's fault that Trestman was clearly intent on establishing the run? Which worked, considering Forte utterly fucking destroyed Green Bay and opened up the entire offense in the second half?
Anyway, I hope CFIHP rots in fucking hell. Fucking idiot.
Quote from: PenFoe on December 30, 2013, 09:56:50 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 29, 2013, 09:49:29 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 29, 2013, 03:38:56 PM
Just a pre-emptive "Shut up" to CFiHP whenever he stumbles in here.
I'll take the Orton that showed up through tree quarters to the Jay that showed up tonight. His first half was painfully brutal - there were so many missed opportunities that GB should never have been in the game. 7/12 or whatever for 65-ish yards and a TD is Brandon Weedon bad.
The defense obviously was the real villain here, but Jay had multiple chances to man up and put it away, and he failed to do it. On the other side of the field, he got to watch a HOF QB come up clutch and kill the Bears once again. Does anyone think that if Cutler were in Rodgers shoes on that 4th and 8, that he would've 1. avoided the sack, and 2. thrown that good of a ball to Cobb? It would've either sailed 10 yards on him or fallen 5 yards short.
Jay's numbers the last three weeks have done nothing to earn him a spot here next season. This is what happens when you fix what isn't broken.
Goddamn, I hate it so much when people hate incorrectly.
If you're going to boil down the problems with Jay Cutler to "He's not Aaron Rodgers" than you're going to suffer a lifetime of disappointment with your QB.
Yes, the real reason to hate Jay Cutler is that if the Bears re-sign him they are barred by law and NFL mandate from drafting another QB to develop.
This is a good read if you want to revisit that awful feeling in the pit of your stomach on that 4th and 8 play.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/10214346/bill-barnwell-week-17-nfl
I see that the Tribune's poll about wanting Cutler back is exactly 50/50 after almost 18,000 votes. That sounds about right.
Cutler can be frustrating and I don't think he's as good as SKO has built him up to be in his prickly, strawmen-busting brain (love you anyway, Kyle), but I don't see another reasonable option besides bringing him back unless you don't care about next season. Because what's even more frustrating than Cutler is a genuinely bad QB, which is probably what they'll have next year if Cutler is elsewhere.
I guess I'd lean toward franchising him, drafting a QB fairly early and seeing how it plays out with that development. An extension wouldn't bother me either, I suppose.
Sure, the offense could have done more but how much can you ask out of them? The defense was surprisingly playing well albeit some bad calls. It really didn't matter in the end. Chris Conte and the shitty defense of the Chicago Bears lost this game. No doubt about it.
Quote from: Fork on December 30, 2013, 10:20:07 AM
Sure, the offense could have done more but how much can you ask out of them? The defense was surprisingly playing well albeit some bad calls. It really didn't matter in the end. Chris Conte and the shitty defense of the Chicago Bears lost this game. No doubt about it.
I'm not disputing your point, Fork, but it was great to see that the NFL's idea of a 40 second play clock evolved into a 40-ish second play clock.
That was convenient for the Packers.
Quote from: Brownie on December 29, 2013, 10:23:29 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 29, 2013, 09:49:29 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 29, 2013, 03:38:56 PM
Just a pre-emptive "Shut up" to CFiHP whenever he stumbles in here.
The defense obviously was the real villain here, but Jay had multiple chances to man up and put it away, and he failed to do it. On the other side of the field, he got to watch a HOF QB come up clutch and kill the Bears once again. Does anyone think that if Cutler were in Rodgers shoes on that 4th and 8, that he would've 1. avoided the sack, and 2. thrown that good of a ball to Cobb? It would've either sailed 10 yards on him or fallen 5 yards short.
Would Jay get to play against Mel Tucker's defensive unit?
But I have to say FUCK JAY CUTLER.
1) He could of picked up that loose ball and ran it back for a touchdown instead of Boykins.
2) He could of covered better when he wore number 47.
3) He could of sacked Rodgers on 4th and 8 when he wore number 90
4) He could of called a much less aggressive play on 4th and 8 that would of won the game for the Bears
5) He should of called delay of game on the Packers on 4th and 1
6) He could of made that field goal on 3rd down at the HHH Dome four weeks ago.
7) He could of made the plays late in the game against Washington instead of letting them score.
8) He could of coaxed Urlacher into coming back for one more year even though Urlacher was finished.
9) He could of told Rose to show some balls and come back for the playoffs.
10) He should of walked to the mound after Prior was rattled with a 2-2 count on Castillo and Mordecai on 2nd base. After all they were up 3-0 and that foul ball was not the end-all be-all.
10) He should of told Dusty that he'd be able to come in out of the pen in Games 6 and 7.
11) He should of told Gary Woods to lay off the fucking Gatorade because he's going to spill some on Leon Durham's glove!
12) He should of not grooved that fastball to Willie Stargell
13) He should of called tails in 1969 so the Bears could draft Bradshaw.
14) He shouldn't of agreed to cede Sudetenland to Germany and then fly back to England promising "Peace in Our Time."
15) He shouldn't of told President Lincoln to go watch My American Cousin.
Cutler should go play for Minnesota and stick it up our collective asses for another 5 or 6 years. We deserve the next crop of Will Fuhrers, Steve Stenstroms, Mark Butterfields, and Craig Krenzel. Fuck us.
2 stars
Quote from: Eli on December 30, 2013, 10:14:57 AM
I see that the Tribune's poll about wanting Cutler back is exactly 50/50 after almost 18,000 votes. That sounds about right.
Cutler can be frustrating and I don't think he's as good as SKO has built him up to be in his prickly, strawmen-busting brain (love you anyway, Kyle), but I don't see another reasonable option besides bringing him back unless you don't care about next season. Because what's even more frustrating than Cutler is a genuinely bad QB, which is probably what they'll have next year if Cutler is elsewhere.
I guess I'd lean toward franchising him, drafting a QB fairly early and seeing how it plays out with that development. An extension wouldn't bother me either, I suppose.
If you draft a QB fairly early and franchise Cutler, when will the draftee play? My thinking is that if you are going to expend that first round pick on a QB (or any other player) that player should be on the field immediately.
If you let Cutler go, that's when you draft a QB early; otherwise, it'll be a wasted season for that player.
Alternatively, you could franchise Cutler and then draft a QB in the second or third rounds (or even the fourth) and then let him develop.
Quote from: R-V on December 30, 2013, 10:11:55 AM
This is a good read if you want to revisit that awful feeling in the pit of your stomach on that 4th and 8 play.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/10214346/bill-barnwell-week-17-nfl
no thanks.
I'm already in Emery mode. Looking forward to seeing what he does.
also, go Broncos.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on December 30, 2013, 10:29:55 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 30, 2013, 10:14:57 AM
I see that the Tribune's poll about wanting Cutler back is exactly 50/50 after almost 18,000 votes. That sounds about right.
Cutler can be frustrating and I don't think he's as good as SKO has built him up to be in his prickly, strawmen-busting brain (love you anyway, Kyle), but I don't see another reasonable option besides bringing him back unless you don't care about next season. Because what's even more frustrating than Cutler is a genuinely bad QB, which is probably what they'll have next year if Cutler is elsewhere.
I guess I'd lean toward franchising him, drafting a QB fairly early and seeing how it plays out with that development. An extension wouldn't bother me either, I suppose.
If you draft a QB fairly early and franchise Cutler, when will the draftee play? My thinking is that if you are going to expend that first round pick on a QB (or any other player) that player should be on the field immediately.
If you let Cutler go, that's when you draft a QB early; otherwise, it'll be a wasted season for that player.
Alternatively, you could franchise Cutler and then draft a QB in the second or third rounds (or even the fourth) and then let him develop.
QuoteHe was selected in the first round (24th overall) of the 2005 NFL Draft by the Packers.[4]
After backing up Brett Favre for the first three years of his NFL career, XXXXX became the Green Bay Packers' starting quarterback in 2008 and led them to a win in Super Bowl XLV after the 2010 NFL season;
Who is Aaron Rodgers?
You have the receivers, the tight end, the running back and offensive line you need to be a top offense NOW. NOW NOW NOW NOW
Who knows what will happen over the course of one half season? Let alone the two it might take a young QB to develop in your offense.
Re-sign Cutler for 2 or 3 years and try to win with what you have NOW.
This is the 13th Amendment, motherfuckers.
Quote from: flannj on December 30, 2013, 10:35:41 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on December 30, 2013, 10:29:55 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 30, 2013, 10:14:57 AM
I see that the Tribune's poll about wanting Cutler back is exactly 50/50 after almost 18,000 votes. That sounds about right.
Cutler can be frustrating and I don't think he's as good as SKO has built him up to be in his prickly, strawmen-busting brain (love you anyway, Kyle), but I don't see another reasonable option besides bringing him back unless you don't care about next season. Because what's even more frustrating than Cutler is a genuinely bad QB, which is probably what they'll have next year if Cutler is elsewhere.
I guess I'd lean toward franchising him, drafting a QB fairly early and seeing how it plays out with that development. An extension wouldn't bother me either, I suppose.
If you draft a QB fairly early and franchise Cutler, when will the draftee play? My thinking is that if you are going to expend that first round pick on a QB (or any other player) that player should be on the field immediately.
If you let Cutler go, that's when you draft a QB early; otherwise, it'll be a wasted season for that player.
Alternatively, you could franchise Cutler and then draft a QB in the second or third rounds (or even the fourth) and then let him develop.
QuoteHe was selected in the first round (24th overall) of the 2005 NFL Draft by the Packers.[4]
After backing up Brett Favre for the first three years of his NFL career, XXXXX became the Green Bay Packers' starting quarterback in 2008 and led them to a win in Super Bowl XLV after the 2010 NFL season;
Who is Aaron Rodgers?
I think he owns the Cubs.
Quote from: Eli on December 30, 2013, 10:14:57 AM
I see that the Tribune's poll about wanting Cutler back is exactly 50/50 after almost 18,000 votes. That sounds about right.
Cutler can be frustrating and I don't think he's as good as SKO has built him up to be in his prickly, strawmen-busting brain (love you anyway, Kyle), but I don't see another reasonable option besides bringing him back unless you don't care about next season. Because what's even more frustrating than Cutler is a genuinely bad QB, which is probably what they'll have next year if Cutler is elsewhere.
I guess I'd lean toward franchising him, drafting a QB fairly early and seeing how it plays out with that development. An extension wouldn't bother me either, I suppose.
I don't want a Cutler extension if it comes at 20 million a year or whatever the hell it is Flacco/Romo got, but I don't see why it has to be that way. "THEY ARE SIMILAR-ISH QBS" does not a contract make. The Bears have leverage. Romo had the Cowboys over a barrel because they needed to extend him just to get under the cap. The Ravens didn't have the money to franchise Flacco, plus he had a Superbowl win to point to.
The Bears have two years of a tag, an injury history that's not entirely insignificant at this point, plus the McCown Bluff that I don't think Emery would actually pull as leverage against Jay. I'd expect he'll get extended at somewhere in the 13-15 million a year range.
Quote from: InternetApex on December 30, 2013, 10:39:35 AM
You have the receivers, the tight end, the running back and offensive line you need to be a top offense NOW. NOW NOW NOW NOW
Who knows what will happen over the course of one half season? Let alone the two it might take a young QB to develop in your offense.
Re-sign Cutler for 2 or 3 years and try to win with what you have NOW.
This is the 13th Amendment, motherfuckers.
I agree with pretty much all of this.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on December 30, 2013, 10:29:55 AM
Alternatively, you could franchise Cutler and then draft a QB in the second or third rounds (or even the fourth) and then let him develop.
That's more what I was thinking. The defense has too many major needs to draft a backup QB at 14. Maybe if Carr/Bortles/Manziel (yuck) falls and Emery is certain one of them is going to be a star, but that seems pretty unlikely.
Quote from: Eli on December 30, 2013, 10:50:21 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on December 30, 2013, 10:29:55 AM
Alternatively, you could franchise Cutler and then draft a QB in the second or third rounds (or even the fourth) and then let him develop.
That's more what I was thinking. The defense has too many major needs to draft a backup QB at 14. Maybe if Carr/Bortles/Manziel (yuck) falls and Emery is certain one of them is going to be a star, but that seems pretty unlikely.
I think 14 needs to be spent on a defensive lineman. Someone start making a list of good ones who can be available then and fax them to me.
Quote from: InternetApex on December 30, 2013, 10:39:35 AM
You have the receivers, the tight end, the running back and offensive line you need to be a top offense NOW. NOW NOW NOW NOW
Who knows what will happen over the course of one half season? Let alone the two it might take a young QB to develop in your offense.
Re-sign Cutler for 2 or 3 years and try to win with what you have NOW.
This is the 13th Amendment, motherfuckers.
Yes, all of this. Augment the D - maybe get another OL. What else do you need? This offense rules.
Quote from: Slaky on December 30, 2013, 10:54:06 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on December 30, 2013, 10:39:35 AM
You have the receivers, the tight end, the running back and offensive line you need to be a top offense NOW. NOW NOW NOW NOW
Who knows what will happen over the course of one half season? Let alone the two it might take a young QB to develop in your offense.
Re-sign Cutler for 2 or 3 years and try to win with what you have NOW.
This is the 13th Amendment, motherfuckers.
Yes, all of this. Augment the D - maybe get another OL. What else do you need? This offense rules.
Another TE wouldn't hurt. A burner at WR is another useful piece they don't have. I wouldn't be mad if they traded 14 down for more picks and did the same as often as they could with the rest of their picks. With so few players under contract for next year, you'd want several on their rookie deals just to fill out your roster.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on December 30, 2013, 10:26:38 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 30, 2013, 10:20:07 AM
Sure, the offense could have done more but how much can you ask out of them? The defense was surprisingly playing well albeit some bad calls. It really didn't matter in the end. Chris Conte and the shitty defense of the Chicago Bears lost this game. No doubt about it.
I'm not disputing your point, Fork, but it was great to see that the NFL's idea of a 40 second play clock evolved into a 40-ish second play clock.
That was convenient for the Packers.
Damn, I thought the defense going from surprisingly playing well to being shitty in two sentences was all it took to make you recognize a Froll.
Quote from: flannj on December 30, 2013, 10:35:41 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on December 30, 2013, 10:29:55 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 30, 2013, 10:14:57 AM
I see that the Tribune's poll about wanting Cutler back is exactly 50/50 after almost 18,000 votes. That sounds about right.
Cutler can be frustrating and I don't think he's as good as SKO has built him up to be in his prickly, strawmen-busting brain (love you anyway, Kyle), but I don't see another reasonable option besides bringing him back unless you don't care about next season. Because what's even more frustrating than Cutler is a genuinely bad QB, which is probably what they'll have next year if Cutler is elsewhere.
I guess I'd lean toward franchising him, drafting a QB fairly early and seeing how it plays out with that development. An extension wouldn't bother me either, I suppose.
If you draft a QB fairly early and franchise Cutler, when will the draftee play? My thinking is that if you are going to expend that first round pick on a QB (or any other player) that player should be on the field immediately.
If you let Cutler go, that's when you draft a QB early; otherwise, it'll be a wasted season for that player.
Alternatively, you could franchise Cutler and then draft a QB in the second or third rounds (or even the fourth) and then let him develop.
QuoteHe was selected in the first round (24th overall) of the 2005 NFL Draft by the Packers.[4]
After backing up Brett Favre for the first three years of his NFL career, XXXXX became the Green Bay Packers' starting quarterback in 2008 and led them to a win in Super Bowl XLV after the 2010 NFL season;
Who is Aaron Rodgers?
He and Chris Conte are both from Cal.
Quote from: CBStew on December 30, 2013, 01:20:06 PM
Quote from: flannj on December 30, 2013, 10:35:41 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on December 30, 2013, 10:29:55 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 30, 2013, 10:14:57 AM
I see that the Tribune's poll about wanting Cutler back is exactly 50/50 after almost 18,000 votes. That sounds about right.
Cutler can be frustrating and I don't think he's as good as SKO has built him up to be in his prickly, strawmen-busting brain (love you anyway, Kyle), but I don't see another reasonable option besides bringing him back unless you don't care about next season. Because what's even more frustrating than Cutler is a genuinely bad QB, which is probably what they'll have next year if Cutler is elsewhere.
I guess I'd lean toward franchising him, drafting a QB fairly early and seeing how it plays out with that development. An extension wouldn't bother me either, I suppose.
If you draft a QB fairly early and franchise Cutler, when will the draftee play? My thinking is that if you are going to expend that first round pick on a QB (or any other player) that player should be on the field immediately.
If you let Cutler go, that's when you draft a QB early; otherwise, it'll be a wasted season for that player.
Alternatively, you could franchise Cutler and then draft a QB in the second or third rounds (or even the fourth) and then let him develop.
QuoteHe was selected in the first round (24th overall) of the 2005 NFL Draft by the Packers.[4]
After backing up Brett Favre for the first three years of his NFL career, XXXXX became the Green Bay Packers' starting quarterback in 2008 and led them to a win in Super Bowl XLV after the 2010 NFL season;
Who is Aaron Rodgers?
He and Chris Conte are both from Cal.
Apparently he's very gay. http://www.queerty.com/super-bowl-mvp-winner-aaron-rodgers-allegedly-outed-by-rumored-boyfriend-20131228/
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According to genius should-be GM Steve Stone Hub Arkush, Kyle Long didn't improve after Preseason Week 1 whatsoever and everyone should calm down about Alshon Jeffery. His "Look, I think really highly of ______ and we get along great" then shitting all over everything ______ does schtick is getting really frickin' old. I wish the Score would find a new NFL expert.
Or, actually find an NFL expert to start with.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 30, 2013, 04:04:02 PM
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According to genius should-be GM Steve Stone Hub Arkush, Kyle Long didn't improve after Preseason Week 1 whatsoever and everyone should calm down about Alshon Jeffery. His "Look, I think really highly of ______ and we get along great" then shitting all over everything ______ does schtick is getting really frickin' old. I wish the Score would find a new NFL expert.
Or, actually find an NFL expert to start with.
Hub is shit
Quote from: Slaky on December 31, 2013, 09:06:21 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 30, 2013, 04:04:02 PM
(Totally Unlistenable tie-in)
According to genius should-be GM Steve Stone Hub Arkush, Kyle Long didn't improve after Preseason Week 1 whatsoever and everyone should calm down about Alshon Jeffery. His "Look, I think really highly of ______ and we get along great" then shitting all over everything ______ does schtick is getting really frickin' old. I wish the Score would find a new NFL expert.
Or, actually find an NFL expert to start with.
Hub is shit
Adam Hoag, who covers the Bears for The Score took him on a little bit regarding Long. He said he disagreed with Hub's statement that he "peaked in the preseason game against San Diego." He also said he graded him out better than Roberto Garza. Hub got indignant about that assessment and demanded to know who had graded Long better than Garza. Hoag stood his ground and said that he himself had done so and Hub, finally aware of what a tool he was being, kind of politely disagreed. I never really had any use for Adam Hoag other than some breaking updates that he has access to because he's embedded with the Bears but this was a positive in my book.
Even Matt Bowen refrains from smacking Hub down on the air when he definitely could. People around The Score treat Hub like he's Papa Bear or some shit. I don't get it.
Quote from: InternetApex on December 31, 2013, 09:19:56 AM
Even Matt Bowen refrains from smacking Hub down on the air when he definitely could. People around The Score treat Hub like he's Papa Bear or some shit. I don't get it.
I also find this curious, since the WSCR guys had no problem beating the shit out of Hub back when he was doing color for Bears' games and giving Dick Jauron weekly on-air handjobs at WBBM. But now HE'S TELLIN IT LIKE IT IS and is apparently the smartest football man alive.
Quote from: InternetApex on December 31, 2013, 09:19:56 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 31, 2013, 09:06:21 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 30, 2013, 04:04:02 PM
(Totally Unlistenable tie-in)
According to genius should-be GM Steve Stone Hub Arkush, Kyle Long didn't improve after Preseason Week 1 whatsoever and everyone should calm down about Alshon Jeffery. His "Look, I think really highly of ______ and we get along great" then shitting all over everything ______ does schtick is getting really frickin' old. I wish the Score would find a new NFL expert.
Or, actually find an NFL expert to start with.
Hub is shit
Adam Hoag, who covers the Bears for The Score took him on a little bit regarding Long. He said he disagreed with Hub's statement that he "peaked in the preseason game against San Diego." He also said he graded him out better than Roberto Garza. Hub got indignant about that assessment and demanded to know who had graded Long better than Garza. Hoag stood his ground and said that he himself had done so and Hub, finally aware of what a tool he was being, kind of politely disagreed. I never really had any use for Adam Hoag other than some breaking updates that he has access to because he's embedded with the Bears but this was a positive in my book.
Even Matt Bowen refrains from smacking Hub down on the air when he definitely could. People around The Score treat Hub like he's Papa Bear or some shit. I don't get it.
I don't get it either. They're one big family of waterheaded dopes.
That said, Hoge published a fairly comprehensive look at the Bears heading into the offseason and I enjoyed it. He's definitely not Hub, that's for sure.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/12/30/hoges-2013-eulogy-start-of-something-special-for-bears/
Another cool story: that DJ Durkin guy who also covers the Bears took to Twitter to shoot down some of Hub's just plain wrong assertions regarding the Peppers situation and I replied "wait hub got something wrong?" and he favorited it. That's some passive-aggressive Hub hatred from that dude who I now like.
Quote from: Slaky on December 31, 2013, 09:33:30 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on December 31, 2013, 09:19:56 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 31, 2013, 09:06:21 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 30, 2013, 04:04:02 PM
(Totally Unlistenable tie-in)
According to genius should-be GM Steve Stone Hub Arkush, Kyle Long didn't improve after Preseason Week 1 whatsoever and everyone should calm down about Alshon Jeffery. His "Look, I think really highly of ______ and we get along great" then shitting all over everything ______ does schtick is getting really frickin' old. I wish the Score would find a new NFL expert.
Or, actually find an NFL expert to start with.
Hub is shit
Adam Hoag, who covers the Bears for The Score took him on a little bit regarding Long. He said he disagreed with Hub's statement that he "peaked in the preseason game against San Diego." He also said he graded him out better than Roberto Garza. Hub got indignant about that assessment and demanded to know who had graded Long better than Garza. Hoag stood his ground and said that he himself had done so and Hub, finally aware of what a tool he was being, kind of politely disagreed. I never really had any use for Adam Hoag other than some breaking updates that he has access to because he's embedded with the Bears but this was a positive in my book.
Even Matt Bowen refrains from smacking Hub down on the air when he definitely could. People around The Score treat Hub like he's Papa Bear or some shit. I don't get it.
I don't get it either. They're one big family of waterheaded dopes.
That said, Hoge published a fairly comprehensive look at the Bears heading into the offseason and I enjoyed it. He's definitely not Hub, that's for sure.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/12/30/hoges-2013-eulogy-start-of-something-special-for-bears/
Another cool story: that DJ Durkin guy who also covers the Bears took to Twitter to shoot down some of Hub's just plain wrong assertions regarding the Peppers situation and I replied "wait hub got something wrong?" and he favorited it. That's some passive-aggressive Hub hatred from that dude who I now like.
I now like Durkin as well. I think Hoge's been fine in his first year on the full-time beat. And I like Zach Zaidman. Underscore fancies himself a guy who doesn't tolerate fools and is always first in line to call out wrong people on their wrongness, so it's especially odd that he's so fond of Hub.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 31, 2013, 10:25:32 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 31, 2013, 09:33:30 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on December 31, 2013, 09:19:56 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 31, 2013, 09:06:21 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 30, 2013, 04:04:02 PM
(Totally Unlistenable tie-in)
According to genius should-be GM Steve Stone Hub Arkush, Kyle Long didn't improve after Preseason Week 1 whatsoever and everyone should calm down about Alshon Jeffery. His "Look, I think really highly of ______ and we get along great" then shitting all over everything ______ does schtick is getting really frickin' old. I wish the Score would find a new NFL expert.
Or, actually find an NFL expert to start with.
Hub is shit
Adam Hoag, who covers the Bears for The Score took him on a little bit regarding Long. He said he disagreed with Hub's statement that he "peaked in the preseason game against San Diego." He also said he graded him out better than Roberto Garza. Hub got indignant about that assessment and demanded to know who had graded Long better than Garza. Hoag stood his ground and said that he himself had done so and Hub, finally aware of what a tool he was being, kind of politely disagreed. I never really had any use for Adam Hoag other than some breaking updates that he has access to because he's embedded with the Bears but this was a positive in my book.
Even Matt Bowen refrains from smacking Hub down on the air when he definitely could. People around The Score treat Hub like he's Papa Bear or some shit. I don't get it.
I don't get it either. They're one big family of waterheaded dopes.
That said, Hoge published a fairly comprehensive look at the Bears heading into the offseason and I enjoyed it. He's definitely not Hub, that's for sure.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/12/30/hoges-2013-eulogy-start-of-something-special-for-bears/
Another cool story: that DJ Durkin guy who also covers the Bears took to Twitter to shoot down some of Hub's just plain wrong assertions regarding the Peppers situation and I replied "wait hub got something wrong?" and he favorited it. That's some passive-aggressive Hub hatred from that dude who I now like.
I now like Durkin as well. I think Hoge's been fine in his first year on the full-time beat. And I like Zach Zaidman. Underscore fancies himself a guy who doesn't tolerate fools and is always first in line to call out wrong people on their wrongness, so it's especially odd that he's so fond of Hub.
Hoge's fine, Durkin's great, I like the new Suntimes kid, Adam Jahns, as well. The New Guard of the Bears beat is generally stats-friendly and smart.
Kyle Long definitely wasn't a top 5 guard in the NFL this year like he was in the preseason, but for the most part he graded out positively as a run blocker and steadily improved in pass protection. Outside of the Philly game I believe he graded positively in nearly every game in the second half, including a +3.3 from PFF against GB. There's no reason to think of Kyle Long as anything other than a guy who is going to be a quality starter and potentially a perennial Pro Bowler at that position.
Garza actually had a surprisingly good year, as well, although I think a lot of that comes from him having the best pass protector on the team (Slauson) to the left of him and the best run-blocker on the team (Long) to the right. Garza had help no matter what he was trying to do.
Basically after a half-decade of sadness that offensive line looks like a team strength going forward, and Hub can go fuck himself.
Quote from: SKO on December 31, 2013, 10:38:22 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 31, 2013, 10:25:32 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 31, 2013, 09:33:30 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on December 31, 2013, 09:19:56 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 31, 2013, 09:06:21 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 30, 2013, 04:04:02 PM
(Totally Unlistenable tie-in)
According to genius should-be GM Steve Stone Hub Arkush, Kyle Long didn't improve after Preseason Week 1 whatsoever and everyone should calm down about Alshon Jeffery. His "Look, I think really highly of ______ and we get along great" then shitting all over everything ______ does schtick is getting really frickin' old. I wish the Score would find a new NFL expert.
Or, actually find an NFL expert to start with.
Hub is shit
Adam Hoag, who covers the Bears for The Score took him on a little bit regarding Long. He said he disagreed with Hub's statement that he "peaked in the preseason game against San Diego." He also said he graded him out better than Roberto Garza. Hub got indignant about that assessment and demanded to know who had graded Long better than Garza. Hoag stood his ground and said that he himself had done so and Hub, finally aware of what a tool he was being, kind of politely disagreed. I never really had any use for Adam Hoag other than some breaking updates that he has access to because he's embedded with the Bears but this was a positive in my book.
Even Matt Bowen refrains from smacking Hub down on the air when he definitely could. People around The Score treat Hub like he's Papa Bear or some shit. I don't get it.
I don't get it either. They're one big family of waterheaded dopes.
That said, Hoge published a fairly comprehensive look at the Bears heading into the offseason and I enjoyed it. He's definitely not Hub, that's for sure.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/12/30/hoges-2013-eulogy-start-of-something-special-for-bears/
Another cool story: that DJ Durkin guy who also covers the Bears took to Twitter to shoot down some of Hub's just plain wrong assertions regarding the Peppers situation and I replied "wait hub got something wrong?" and he favorited it. That's some passive-aggressive Hub hatred from that dude who I now like.
I now like Durkin as well. I think Hoge's been fine in his first year on the full-time beat. And I like Zach Zaidman. Underscore fancies himself a guy who doesn't tolerate fools and is always first in line to call out wrong people on their wrongness, so it's especially odd that he's so fond of Hub.
Hoge's fine, Durkin's great, I like the new Suntimes kid, Adam Jahns, as well. The New Guard of the Bears beat is generally stats-friendly and smart.
Kyle Long definitely wasn't a top 5 guard in the NFL this year like he was in the preseason, but for the most part he graded out positively as a run blocker and steadily improved in pass protection. Outside of the Philly game I believe he graded positively in nearly every game in the second half, including a +3.3 from PFF against GB. There's no reason to think of Kyle Long as anything other than a guy who is going to be a quality starter and potentially a perennial Pro Bowler at that position.
Garza actually had a surprisingly good year, as well, although I think a lot of that comes from him having the best pass protector on the team (Slauson) to the left of him and the best run-blocker on the team (Long) to the right. Garza had help no matter what he was trying to do.
Basically after a half-decade of sadness that offensive line looks like a team strength going forward, and Hub can go fuck himself.
Do you think Long stays there long-term, or can he eventually handle left or right tackle?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 31, 2013, 10:44:56 AM
Do you think Long stays there long-term, or can he eventually handle left or right tackle?
I don't see any reason to move him tackle. In this scheme guard is more important. The zone running game revolves around having athletic guards, and the pass protection is mostly designed around short passes. As Kromer's said, they build pass protection from the inside out. If you are only calling a handful of deep balls a game you can give that tackle protection, or have him run the DE to the outside and have the QB step up in the pocket. The one thing that'll fuck this scheme (and Philly did it consistently) is getting pressure up the middle. If Long's your best lineman, leave him there. That's where you need him.
For instance, Jordan Mills ended the year with a -31.3 grade from PFF. That's bad. In fact, it's 2011 J'Marcus Webb bad, in theory. He gave up a ton of pressures, but where as the previous regime's offensive scheme required seven step drops and the DE would have gotten past Mills to Cutler in the backfield, in this offense Cutler just steps up behind the Slauson-Garza-Long wall and gets the ball out. If they can get through the entire season giving up just 30 sacks on 645 dropbacks with a guy like Mills giving up that much pressure, clearly tackle's not your priority when it comes to pass protection.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 31, 2013, 10:25:32 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 31, 2013, 09:33:30 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on December 31, 2013, 09:19:56 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 31, 2013, 09:06:21 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 30, 2013, 04:04:02 PM
(Totally Unlistenable tie-in)
According to genius should-be GM Steve Stone Hub Arkush, Kyle Long didn't improve after Preseason Week 1 whatsoever and everyone should calm down about Alshon Jeffery. His "Look, I think really highly of ______ and we get along great" then shitting all over everything ______ does schtick is getting really frickin' old. I wish the Score would find a new NFL expert.
Or, actually find an NFL expert to start with.
Hub is shit
Adam Hoag, who covers the Bears for The Score took him on a little bit regarding Long. He said he disagreed with Hub's statement that he "peaked in the preseason game against San Diego." He also said he graded him out better than Roberto Garza. Hub got indignant about that assessment and demanded to know who had graded Long better than Garza. Hoag stood his ground and said that he himself had done so and Hub, finally aware of what a tool he was being, kind of politely disagreed. I never really had any use for Adam Hoag other than some breaking updates that he has access to because he's embedded with the Bears but this was a positive in my book.
Even Matt Bowen refrains from smacking Hub down on the air when he definitely could. People around The Score treat Hub like he's Papa Bear or some shit. I don't get it.
I don't get it either. They're one big family of waterheaded dopes.
That said, Hoge published a fairly comprehensive look at the Bears heading into the offseason and I enjoyed it. He's definitely not Hub, that's for sure.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/12/30/hoges-2013-eulogy-start-of-something-special-for-bears/
Another cool story: that DJ Durkin guy who also covers the Bears took to Twitter to shoot down some of Hub's just plain wrong assertions regarding the Peppers situation and I replied "wait hub got something wrong?" and he favorited it. That's some passive-aggressive Hub hatred from that dude who I now like.
I now like Durkin as well. I think Hoge's been fine in his first year on the full-time beat. And I like Zach Zaidman. Underscore fancies himself a guy who doesn't tolerate fools and is always first in line to call out wrong people on their wrongness, so it's especially odd that he's so fond of Hub.
Is Underscore a reference to Bernstein?
Quote from: Gilgamesh on December 31, 2013, 11:30:22 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 31, 2013, 10:25:32 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 31, 2013, 09:33:30 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on December 31, 2013, 09:19:56 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 31, 2013, 09:06:21 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 30, 2013, 04:04:02 PM
(Totally Unlistenable tie-in)
According to genius should-be GM Steve Stone Hub Arkush, Kyle Long didn't improve after Preseason Week 1 whatsoever and everyone should calm down about Alshon Jeffery. His "Look, I think really highly of ______ and we get along great" then shitting all over everything ______ does schtick is getting really frickin' old. I wish the Score would find a new NFL expert.
Or, actually find an NFL expert to start with.
Hub is shit
Adam Hoag, who covers the Bears for The Score took him on a little bit regarding Long. He said he disagreed with Hub's statement that he "peaked in the preseason game against San Diego." He also said he graded him out better than Roberto Garza. Hub got indignant about that assessment and demanded to know who had graded Long better than Garza. Hoag stood his ground and said that he himself had done so and Hub, finally aware of what a tool he was being, kind of politely disagreed. I never really had any use for Adam Hoag other than some breaking updates that he has access to because he's embedded with the Bears but this was a positive in my book.
Even Matt Bowen refrains from smacking Hub down on the air when he definitely could. People around The Score treat Hub like he's Papa Bear or some shit. I don't get it.
I don't get it either. They're one big family of waterheaded dopes.
That said, Hoge published a fairly comprehensive look at the Bears heading into the offseason and I enjoyed it. He's definitely not Hub, that's for sure.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/12/30/hoges-2013-eulogy-start-of-something-special-for-bears/
Another cool story: that DJ Durkin guy who also covers the Bears took to Twitter to shoot down some of Hub's just plain wrong assertions regarding the Peppers situation and I replied "wait hub got something wrong?" and he favorited it. That's some passive-aggressive Hub hatred from that dude who I now like.
I now like Durkin as well. I think Hoge's been fine in his first year on the full-time beat. And I like Zach Zaidman. Underscore fancies himself a guy who doesn't tolerate fools and is always first in line to call out wrong people on their wrongness, so it's especially odd that he's so fond of Hub.
Is Underscore a reference to Bernstein?
Is it the alias he's using to throw off Derrick Rose's people who want to take him out?
Quote from: Gilgamesh on December 31, 2013, 11:30:22 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 31, 2013, 10:25:32 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 31, 2013, 09:33:30 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on December 31, 2013, 09:19:56 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 31, 2013, 09:06:21 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 30, 2013, 04:04:02 PM
(Totally Unlistenable tie-in)
According to genius should-be GM Steve Stone Hub Arkush, Kyle Long didn't improve after Preseason Week 1 whatsoever and everyone should calm down about Alshon Jeffery. His "Look, I think really highly of ______ and we get along great" then shitting all over everything ______ does schtick is getting really frickin' old. I wish the Score would find a new NFL expert.
Or, actually find an NFL expert to start with.
Hub is shit
Adam Hoag, who covers the Bears for The Score took him on a little bit regarding Long. He said he disagreed with Hub's statement that he "peaked in the preseason game against San Diego." He also said he graded him out better than Roberto Garza. Hub got indignant about that assessment and demanded to know who had graded Long better than Garza. Hoag stood his ground and said that he himself had done so and Hub, finally aware of what a tool he was being, kind of politely disagreed. I never really had any use for Adam Hoag other than some breaking updates that he has access to because he's embedded with the Bears but this was a positive in my book.
Even Matt Bowen refrains from smacking Hub down on the air when he definitely could. People around The Score treat Hub like he's Papa Bear or some shit. I don't get it.
I don't get it either. They're one big family of waterheaded dopes.
That said, Hoge published a fairly comprehensive look at the Bears heading into the offseason and I enjoyed it. He's definitely not Hub, that's for sure.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/12/30/hoges-2013-eulogy-start-of-something-special-for-bears/
Another cool story: that DJ Durkin guy who also covers the Bears took to Twitter to shoot down some of Hub's just plain wrong assertions regarding the Peppers situation and I replied "wait hub got something wrong?" and he favorited it. That's some passive-aggressive Hub hatred from that dude who I now like.
I now like Durkin as well. I think Hoge's been fine in his first year on the full-time beat. And I like Zach Zaidman. Underscore fancies himself a guy who doesn't tolerate fools and is always first in line to call out wrong people on their wrongness, so it's especially odd that he's so fond of Hub.
Is Underscore a reference to Bernstein?
His Twitter handle is @dan_bernstein, and when he says it on air it sounds like his middle name. That's all there is to it, really.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 31, 2013, 12:04:03 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on December 31, 2013, 11:30:22 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 31, 2013, 10:25:32 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 31, 2013, 09:33:30 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on December 31, 2013, 09:19:56 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 31, 2013, 09:06:21 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 30, 2013, 04:04:02 PM
(Totally Unlistenable tie-in)
According to genius should-be GM Steve Stone Hub Arkush, Kyle Long didn't improve after Preseason Week 1 whatsoever and everyone should calm down about Alshon Jeffery. His "Look, I think really highly of ______ and we get along great" then shitting all over everything ______ does schtick is getting really frickin' old. I wish the Score would find a new NFL expert.
Or, actually find an NFL expert to start with.
Hub is shit
Adam Hoag, who covers the Bears for The Score took him on a little bit regarding Long. He said he disagreed with Hub's statement that he "peaked in the preseason game against San Diego." He also said he graded him out better than Roberto Garza. Hub got indignant about that assessment and demanded to know who had graded Long better than Garza. Hoag stood his ground and said that he himself had done so and Hub, finally aware of what a tool he was being, kind of politely disagreed. I never really had any use for Adam Hoag other than some breaking updates that he has access to because he's embedded with the Bears but this was a positive in my book.
Even Matt Bowen refrains from smacking Hub down on the air when he definitely could. People around The Score treat Hub like he's Papa Bear or some shit. I don't get it.
I don't get it either. They're one big family of waterheaded dopes.
That said, Hoge published a fairly comprehensive look at the Bears heading into the offseason and I enjoyed it. He's definitely not Hub, that's for sure.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/12/30/hoges-2013-eulogy-start-of-something-special-for-bears/
Another cool story: that DJ Durkin guy who also covers the Bears took to Twitter to shoot down some of Hub's just plain wrong assertions regarding the Peppers situation and I replied "wait hub got something wrong?" and he favorited it. That's some passive-aggressive Hub hatred from that dude who I now like.
I now like Durkin as well. I think Hoge's been fine in his first year on the full-time beat. And I like Zach Zaidman. Underscore fancies himself a guy who doesn't tolerate fools and is always first in line to call out wrong people on their wrongness, so it's especially odd that he's so fond of Hub.
Is Underscore a reference to Bernstein?
His Twitter handle is @dan_bernstein, and when he says it on air it sounds like his middle name. That's all there is to it, really.
Your whole persona reeks of effort, man.
Lolz-ish.
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/87384/hotsportstakes-when-do-the-bears-fire-jay-cutler
#HotSportsTakes: When Do The Bears Fire Jay Cutler?
Quote from: InternetApex on December 31, 2013, 01:08:55 PM
Lolz-ish.
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/87384/hotsportstakes-when-do-the-bears-fire-jay-cutler
#HotSportsTakes: When Do The Bears Fire Jay Cutler?
"Instead of Butkus, Chicago got bubkes."
Solid.
Quote from: Eli on December 31, 2013, 12:55:24 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 31, 2013, 12:04:03 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on December 31, 2013, 11:30:22 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 31, 2013, 10:25:32 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 31, 2013, 09:33:30 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on December 31, 2013, 09:19:56 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 31, 2013, 09:06:21 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 30, 2013, 04:04:02 PM
(Totally Unlistenable tie-in)
According to genius should-be GM Steve Stone Hub Arkush, Kyle Long didn't improve after Preseason Week 1 whatsoever and everyone should calm down about Alshon Jeffery. His "Look, I think really highly of ______ and we get along great" then shitting all over everything ______ does schtick is getting really frickin' old. I wish the Score would find a new NFL expert.
Or, actually find an NFL expert to start with.
Hub is shit
Adam Hoag, who covers the Bears for The Score took him on a little bit regarding Long. He said he disagreed with Hub's statement that he "peaked in the preseason game against San Diego." He also said he graded him out better than Roberto Garza. Hub got indignant about that assessment and demanded to know who had graded Long better than Garza. Hoag stood his ground and said that he himself had done so and Hub, finally aware of what a tool he was being, kind of politely disagreed. I never really had any use for Adam Hoag other than some breaking updates that he has access to because he's embedded with the Bears but this was a positive in my book.
Even Matt Bowen refrains from smacking Hub down on the air when he definitely could. People around The Score treat Hub like he's Papa Bear or some shit. I don't get it.
I don't get it either. They're one big family of waterheaded dopes.
That said, Hoge published a fairly comprehensive look at the Bears heading into the offseason and I enjoyed it. He's definitely not Hub, that's for sure.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/12/30/hoges-2013-eulogy-start-of-something-special-for-bears/
Another cool story: that DJ Durkin guy who also covers the Bears took to Twitter to shoot down some of Hub's just plain wrong assertions regarding the Peppers situation and I replied "wait hub got something wrong?" and he favorited it. That's some passive-aggressive Hub hatred from that dude who I now like.
I now like Durkin as well. I think Hoge's been fine in his first year on the full-time beat. And I like Zach Zaidman. Underscore fancies himself a guy who doesn't tolerate fools and is always first in line to call out wrong people on their wrongness, so it's especially odd that he's so fond of Hub.
Is Underscore a reference to Bernstein?
His Twitter handle is @dan_bernstein, and when he says it on air it sounds like his middle name. That's all there is to it, really.
Your whole persona reeks of effort, man.
All the time, or just when I'm asked to explain references? Man.
Quote from: SKO on December 30, 2013, 10:42:27 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 30, 2013, 10:14:57 AM
I see that the Tribune's poll about wanting Cutler back is exactly 50/50 after almost 18,000 votes. That sounds about right.
Cutler can be frustrating and I don't think he's as good as SKO has built him up to be in his prickly, strawmen-busting brain (love you anyway, Kyle), but I don't see another reasonable option besides bringing him back unless you don't care about next season. Because what's even more frustrating than Cutler is a genuinely bad QB, which is probably what they'll have next year if Cutler is elsewhere.
I guess I'd lean toward franchising him, drafting a QB fairly early and seeing how it plays out with that development. An extension wouldn't bother me either, I suppose.
I don't want a Cutler extension if it comes at 20 million a year or whatever the hell it is Flacco/Romo got, but I don't see why it has to be that way. "THEY ARE SIMILAR-ISH QBS" does not a contract make. The Bears have leverage. Romo had the Cowboys over a barrel because they needed to extend him just to get under the cap. The Ravens didn't have the money to franchise Flacco, plus he had a Superbowl win to point to.
The Bears have two years of a tag, an injury history that's not entirely insignificant at this point, plus the McCown Bluff that I don't think Emery would actually pull as leverage against Jay. I'd expect he'll get extended at somewhere in the 13-15 million a year range.
Bump.
Quote from: PenFoe on January 02, 2014, 10:16:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 30, 2013, 10:42:27 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 30, 2013, 10:14:57 AM
I see that the Tribune's poll about wanting Cutler back is exactly 50/50 after almost 18,000 votes. That sounds about right.
Cutler can be frustrating and I don't think he's as good as SKO has built him up to be in his prickly, strawmen-busting brain (love you anyway, Kyle), but I don't see another reasonable option besides bringing him back unless you don't care about next season. Because what's even more frustrating than Cutler is a genuinely bad QB, which is probably what they'll have next year if Cutler is elsewhere.
I guess I'd lean toward franchising him, drafting a QB fairly early and seeing how it plays out with that development. An extension wouldn't bother me either, I suppose.
I don't want a Cutler extension if it comes at 20 million a year or whatever the hell it is Flacco/Romo got, but I don't see why it has to be that way. "THEY ARE SIMILAR-ISH QBS" does not a contract make. The Bears have leverage. Romo had the Cowboys over a barrel because they needed to extend him just to get under the cap. The Ravens didn't have the money to franchise Flacco, plus he had a Superbowl win to point to.
The Bears have two years of a tag, an injury history that's not entirely insignificant at this point, plus the McCown Bluff that I don't think Emery would actually pull as leverage against Jay. I'd expect he'll get extended at somewhere in the 13-15 million a year range.
Bump.
$18 Mil a year for the first three.
Quote from: InternetApex on January 02, 2014, 10:20:29 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 02, 2014, 10:16:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 30, 2013, 10:42:27 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 30, 2013, 10:14:57 AM
I see that the Tribune's poll about wanting Cutler back is exactly 50/50 after almost 18,000 votes. That sounds about right.
Cutler can be frustrating and I don't think he's as good as SKO has built him up to be in his prickly, strawmen-busting brain (love you anyway, Kyle), but I don't see another reasonable option besides bringing him back unless you don't care about next season. Because what's even more frustrating than Cutler is a genuinely bad QB, which is probably what they'll have next year if Cutler is elsewhere.
I guess I'd lean toward franchising him, drafting a QB fairly early and seeing how it plays out with that development. An extension wouldn't bother me either, I suppose.
I don't want a Cutler extension if it comes at 20 million a year or whatever the hell it is Flacco/Romo got, but I don't see why it has to be that way. "THEY ARE SIMILAR-ISH QBS" does not a contract make. The Bears have leverage. Romo had the Cowboys over a barrel because they needed to extend him just to get under the cap. The Ravens didn't have the money to franchise Flacco, plus he had a Superbowl win to point to.
The Bears have two years of a tag, an injury history that's not entirely insignificant at this point, plus the McCown Bluff that I don't think Emery would actually pull as leverage against Jay. I'd expect he'll get extended at somewhere in the 13-15 million a year range.
Bump.
$18 Mil a year for the first three.
Seems like it's structured pretty well, if those reports are accurate.
Now we just have to sit back and wait to see how much the Jets pay McCown to come in and start for them.
/thread
Quote from: Slaky on January 02, 2014, 10:49:57 AM
/thread
Hopefully the Bears will still play games. Speaking of that, they're coming to "San Francisco" to play the Santa Clara 49ers in the new stadium's opening game. Besides selling organs, does anyone have advice on scoring tickets? Sites to watch, if prices go down, when to pull the trigger, yadda yadda. I've pretty much resigned myself to paying a lot but maybe one of you morans has a system of football (tickets).