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Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 10, 2009, 01:16:41 PM
I'm going to start a thread in here so I don't ANGER up Huey's ANGER on the general board.  They released the list of features (http://www.pastapadre.com/5675/mlb-2k9-features-list), and I'm actually encouraged.  Looks like VC is going to fix a lot of the stuff that made the last game so disjointed.

Quote from: Weebs on January 10, 2009, 05:08:27 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 10, 2009, 01:16:41 PM
I'm going to start a thread in here so I don't ANGER up Huey's ANGER on the general board.  They released the list of features (http://www.pastapadre.com/5675/mlb-2k9-features-list), and I'm actually encouraged.  Looks like VC is going to fix a lot of the stuff that made the last game so disjointed.

It seems like a lot of the annual promise of improvement in all aspects of gameplay without really getting that specific.  They say "better hitting," but without more details about what's different this year from last year, I'm still pretty skeptical.  If they actually can improve, then I'm pretty hopeful.  I'd say my biggest complaints were the low hit type variation and the overall framerate/visual quality.  Generally, it's really hard to tell how a sports game is actually better or worse until you play it.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 12, 2009, 07:55:40 AM

Quote from: Weebs on January 10, 2009, 05:08:27 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 10, 2009, 01:16:41 PM
I'm going to start a thread in here so I don't ANGER up Huey's ANGER on the general board.  They released the list of features (http://www.pastapadre.com/5675/mlb-2k9-features-list), and I'm actually encouraged.  Looks like VC is going to fix a lot of the stuff that made the last game so disjointed.

It seems like a lot of the annual promise of improvement in all aspects of gameplay without really getting that specific.  They say "better hitting," but without more details about what's different this year from last year, I'm still pretty skeptical.  If they actually can improve, then I'm pretty hopeful.  I'd say my biggest complaints were the low hit type variation and the overall framerate/visual quality.  Generally, it's really hard to tell how a sports game is actually better or worse until you play it.

I couldn't open the link.  Were there any screens?  I think my complaints with the past two games are on the record:  I hate the stadiums.  I'm okay with the core gameplay, but the visuals in the environments need a giant upgrade.

Quote from: 5laky on January 12, 2009, 08:59:23 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 12, 2009, 07:55:40 AM

Quote from: Weebs on January 10, 2009, 05:08:27 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 10, 2009, 01:16:41 PM
I'm going to start a thread in here so I don't ANGER up Huey's ANGER on the general board.  They released the list of features (http://www.pastapadre.com/5675/mlb-2k9-features-list), and I'm actually encouraged.  Looks like VC is going to fix a lot of the stuff that made the last game so disjointed.

It seems like a lot of the annual promise of improvement in all aspects of gameplay without really getting that specific.  They say "better hitting," but without more details about what's different this year from last year, I'm still pretty skeptical.  If they actually can improve, then I'm pretty hopeful.  I'd say my biggest complaints were the low hit type variation and the overall framerate/visual quality.  Generally, it's really hard to tell how a sports game is actually better or worse until you play it.

I couldn't open the link.  Were there any screens?  I think my complaints with the past two games are on the record:  I hate the stadiums.  I'm okay with the core gameplay, but the visuals in the environments need a giant upgrade.

No screens.

If I had to guess, VC is focusing on making the gameplay a lot smoother (like NBA 2K9) and not focusing on much else. Zone hitting is back. Pitching is going to be simpler I guess.

I have no idea why someone doesn't just steal the High Heat engine and upgrade the graphics. Best game ever.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 12, 2009, 09:10:42 AM

Quote from: 5laky on January 12, 2009, 08:59:23 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 12, 2009, 07:55:40 AM

Quote from: Weebs on January 10, 2009, 05:08:27 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 10, 2009, 01:16:41 PM
I'm going to start a thread in here so I don't ANGER up Huey's ANGER on the general board.  They released the list of features (http://www.pastapadre.com/5675/mlb-2k9-features-list), and I'm actually encouraged.  Looks like VC is going to fix a lot of the stuff that made the last game so disjointed.

It seems like a lot of the annual promise of improvement in all aspects of gameplay without really getting that specific.  They say "better hitting," but without more details about what's different this year from last year, I'm still pretty skeptical.  If they actually can improve, then I'm pretty hopeful.  I'd say my biggest complaints were the low hit type variation and the overall framerate/visual quality.  Generally, it's really hard to tell how a sports game is actually better or worse until you play it.

I couldn't open the link.  Were there any screens?  I think my complaints with the past two games are on the record:  I hate the stadiums.  I'm okay with the core gameplay, but the visuals in the environments need a giant upgrade.

No screens.

If I had to guess, VC is focusing on making the gameplay a lot smoother (like NBA 2K9) and not focusing on much else. Zone hitting is back. Pitching is going to be simpler I guess.

I have no idea why someone doesn't just steal the High Heat engine and upgrade the graphics. Best game ever.

I've never played High Heat.  Zone hitting will be great.  I thought the pitching was okay and the throw meter was pretty good.  They should really focus on upgrading the stadiums, commentators and environments.

I hated when the weather would be completely sunny with no clouds in the sky and it'd be raining.  That's just stupid.

Quote from: IrishYeti on January 12, 2009, 09:36:37 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 12, 2009, 09:10:42 AM

Quote from: 5laky on January 12, 2009, 08:59:23 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 12, 2009, 07:55:40 AM

Quote from: Weebs on January 10, 2009, 05:08:27 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 10, 2009, 01:16:41 PM
I'm going to start a thread in here so I don't ANGER up Huey's ANGER on the general board.  They released the list of features (http://www.pastapadre.com/5675/mlb-2k9-features-list), and I'm actually encouraged.  Looks like VC is going to fix a lot of the stuff that made the last game so disjointed.

It seems like a lot of the annual promise of improvement in all aspects of gameplay without really getting that specific.  They say "better hitting," but without more details about what's different this year from last year, I'm still pretty skeptical.  If they actually can improve, then I'm pretty hopeful.  I'd say my biggest complaints were the low hit type variation and the overall framerate/visual quality.  Generally, it's really hard to tell how a sports game is actually better or worse until you play it.

I couldn't open the link.  Were there any screens?  I think my complaints with the past two games are on the record:  I hate the stadiums.  I'm okay with the core gameplay, but the visuals in the environments need a giant upgrade.

No screens.

If I had to guess, VC is focusing on making the gameplay a lot smoother (like NBA 2K9) and not focusing on much else. Zone hitting is back. Pitching is going to be simpler I guess.

I have no idea why someone doesn't just steal the High Heat engine and upgrade the graphics. Best game ever.

I've never played High Heat.  Zone hitting will be great.  I thought the pitching was okay and the throw meter was pretty good.  They should really focus on upgrading the stadiums, commentators and environments.

I hated when the weather would be completely sunny with no clouds in the sky and it'd be raining.  That's just stupid.

Oh, yes. You reminded me of one of my biggest complaints of that game. Rainouts with no makeup... Just play it over. That had to be the dumbest idea they ever had. I would always check the weather before starting a game and then if it was overcast, I would change it to sunny to hopefully avoid that. I don't have a problem with rainouts but have a way to reschedule it or pick it up where it left off (in accordance to MLB rules). The whole just starting over was awful, awful. Having a doubleheader thrown into the season after rain would make things a little harder and more interesting.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 12, 2009, 09:39:39 AM

Quote from: IrishYeti on January 12, 2009, 09:36:37 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 12, 2009, 09:10:42 AM

Quote from: 5laky on January 12, 2009, 08:59:23 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 12, 2009, 07:55:40 AM

Quote from: Weebs on January 10, 2009, 05:08:27 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 10, 2009, 01:16:41 PM
I'm going to start a thread in here so I don't ANGER up Huey's ANGER on the general board.  They released the list of features (http://www.pastapadre.com/5675/mlb-2k9-features-list), and I'm actually encouraged.  Looks like VC is going to fix a lot of the stuff that made the last game so disjointed.

It seems like a lot of the annual promise of improvement in all aspects of gameplay without really getting that specific.  They say "better hitting," but without more details about what's different this year from last year, I'm still pretty skeptical.  If they actually can improve, then I'm pretty hopeful.  I'd say my biggest complaints were the low hit type variation and the overall framerate/visual quality.  Generally, it's really hard to tell how a sports game is actually better or worse until you play it.

I couldn't open the link.  Were there any screens?  I think my complaints with the past two games are on the record:  I hate the stadiums.  I'm okay with the core gameplay, but the visuals in the environments need a giant upgrade.

No screens.

If I had to guess, VC is focusing on making the gameplay a lot smoother (like NBA 2K9) and not focusing on much else. Zone hitting is back. Pitching is going to be simpler I guess.

I have no idea why someone doesn't just steal the High Heat engine and upgrade the graphics. Best game ever.

I've never played High Heat.  Zone hitting will be great.  I thought the pitching was okay and the throw meter was pretty good.  They should really focus on upgrading the stadiums, commentators and environments.

I hated when the weather would be completely sunny with no clouds in the sky and it'd be raining.  That's just stupid.

Oh, yes. You reminded me of one of my biggest complaints of that game. Rainouts with no makeup... Just play it over. That had to be the dumbest idea they ever had. I would always check the weather before starting a game and then if it was overcast, I would change it to sunny to hopefully avoid that. I don't have a problem with rainouts but have a way to reschedule it or pick it up where it left off (in accordance to MLB rules). The whole just starting over was awful, awful. Having a doubleheader thrown into the season after rain would make things a little harder and more interesting.

One of the things they did 100%, right on the nose correctly was saving at any point in the game and picking back up from that point whenever you wanted.  That is something that I wish EA would do with Madden and NCAA.

Quote from: Weebs on January 12, 2009, 09:40:48 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 12, 2009, 09:39:39 AM

Quote from: IrishYeti on January 12, 2009, 09:36:37 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 12, 2009, 09:10:42 AM

Quote from: 5laky on January 12, 2009, 08:59:23 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 12, 2009, 07:55:40 AM

Quote from: Weebs on January 10, 2009, 05:08:27 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 10, 2009, 01:16:41 PM
I'm going to start a thread in here so I don't ANGER up Huey's ANGER on the general board.  They released the list of features (http://www.pastapadre.com/5675/mlb-2k9-features-list), and I'm actually encouraged.  Looks like VC is going to fix a lot of the stuff that made the last game so disjointed.

It seems like a lot of the annual promise of improvement in all aspects of gameplay without really getting that specific.  They say "better hitting," but without more details about what's different this year from last year, I'm still pretty skeptical.  If they actually can improve, then I'm pretty hopeful.  I'd say my biggest complaints were the low hit type variation and the overall framerate/visual quality.  Generally, it's really hard to tell how a sports game is actually better or worse until you play it.

I couldn't open the link.  Were there any screens?  I think my complaints with the past two games are on the record:  I hate the stadiums.  I'm okay with the core gameplay, but the visuals in the environments need a giant upgrade.

No screens.

If I had to guess, VC is focusing on making the gameplay a lot smoother (like NBA 2K9) and not focusing on much else. Zone hitting is back. Pitching is going to be simpler I guess.

I have no idea why someone doesn't just steal the High Heat engine and upgrade the graphics. Best game ever.

I've never played High Heat.  Zone hitting will be great.  I thought the pitching was okay and the throw meter was pretty good.  They should really focus on upgrading the stadiums, commentators and environments.

I hated when the weather would be completely sunny with no clouds in the sky and it'd be raining.  That's just stupid.

Oh, yes. You reminded me of one of my biggest complaints of that game. Rainouts with no makeup... Just play it over. That had to be the dumbest idea they ever had. I would always check the weather before starting a game and then if it was overcast, I would change it to sunny to hopefully avoid that. I don't have a problem with rainouts but have a way to reschedule it or pick it up where it left off (in accordance to MLB rules). The whole just starting over was awful, awful. Having a doubleheader thrown into the season after rain would make things a little harder and more interesting.

One of the things they did 100%, right on the nose correctly was saving at any point in the game and picking back up from that point whenever you wanted.  That is something that I wish EA would do with Madden and NCAA.

They had that with the old-gen games.  Somehow, the increase in technology has made that impossible to replicate.

Quote from: 5laky on January 12, 2009, 08:59:23 AM
No screens.

If I had to guess, VC is focusing on making the gameplay a lot smoother (like NBA 2K9) and not focusing on much else. Zone hitting is back. Pitching is going to be simpler I guess.

I have no idea why someone doesn't just steal the High Heat engine and upgrade the graphics. Best game ever.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 12, 2009, 10:15:49 AM

Quote from: 5laky on January 12, 2009, 08:59:23 AM
No screens.

If I had to guess, VC is focusing on making the gameplay a lot smoother (like NBA 2K9) and not focusing on much else. Zone hitting is back. Pitching is going to be simpler I guess.

I have no idea why someone doesn't just steal the High Heat engine and upgrade the graphics. Best game ever.

I don't understand why there's not more theivery, either.  I'd take the pitching mechanic and fielding from 2K8, the hitting mechanic and baserunning from MVP NCAA 2006, the graphics from 2K7, the stadiums from the All-Star Baseball series, and pretty much everything else from High Heat, and it would be the perfect video game.

I have never had more realistic statistics in a video game than the ones High Heat produced.  That game was fantastic.

Quote from: 5laky on January 12, 2009, 10:22:47 AM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 12, 2009, 10:15:49 AM

Quote from: 5laky on January 12, 2009, 08:59:23 AM
No screens.

If I had to guess, VC is focusing on making the gameplay a lot smoother (like NBA 2K9) and not focusing on much else. Zone hitting is back. Pitching is going to be simpler I guess.

I have no idea why someone doesn't just steal the High Heat engine and upgrade the graphics. Best game ever.

I don't understand why there's not more theivery, either.  I'd take the pitching mechanic and fielding from 2K8, the hitting mechanic and baserunning from MVP NCAA 2006, the graphics from 2K7, the stadiums from the All-Star Baseball series, and pretty much everything else from High Heat, and it would be the perfect video game.

I have never had more realistic statistics in a video game than the ones High Heat produced.  That game was fantastic.

It really was. It had the shittiest graphics and player models and it just didn't matter because it felt like you were playing baseball which is all that mattered. It was so simple and yet no one has been able to come close except MVP.

I think the big issue is that these developers are trying to do something new and get the glory for being creative rather than just make the best baseball game they can.

Even if someone would create this perfect baseball game with templates set up for editing and file sharing (to get logos, rosters, uniforms and such) that would be great. I would enjoy a game that had all phony teams and players if it played great baseball.

Quote from: 5laky on January 12, 2009, 10:22:47 AM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 12, 2009, 10:15:49 AM

Quote from: 5laky on January 12, 2009, 08:59:23 AM
No screens.

If I had to guess, VC is focusing on making the gameplay a lot smoother (like NBA 2K9) and not focusing on much else. Zone hitting is back. Pitching is going to be simpler I guess.

I have no idea why someone doesn't just steal the High Heat engine and upgrade the graphics. Best game ever.

I don't understand why there's not more theivery, either.  I'd take the pitching mechanic and fielding from 2K8, the hitting mechanic and baserunning from MVP NCAA 2006, the graphics from 2K7, the stadiums from the All-Star Baseball series, and pretty much everything else from High Heat, and it would be the perfect video game.

I have never had more realistic statistics in a video game than the ones High Heat produced.  That game was fantastic.

It really was. It had the shittiest graphics and player models and it just didn't matter because it felt like you were playing baseball which is all that mattered. It was so simple and yet no one has been able to come close except MVP.

I think the big issue is that these developers are trying to do something new and get the glory for being creative rather than just make the best baseball game they can.

Even if someone would create this perfect baseball game with templates set up for editing and file sharing (to get logos, rosters, uniforms and such) that would be great. I would enjoy a game that had all phony teams and players if it played great baseball.

Quote from: Weebs on January 12, 2009, 10:26:05 AM
The problem is more that they just don't have the development time to make the changes necessary.  I'm sure when they made MLB 2k6, which was the biggest overhaul of the games, they realized there were a lot of problems, but because there's only a year of development (not even, with bug testing and everything) in between titles, there's only so much they can do.  Either someone has to make a brand new baseball game, or one of 2k's developers needs to be creating a new version of MLB 2k that isn't working off the same engine as the previous games.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 12, 2009, 10:38:51 AM

Quote from: Weebs on January 12, 2009, 10:26:05 AM
The problem is more that they just don't have the development time to make the changes necessary.  I'm sure when they made MLB 2k6, which was the biggest overhaul of the games, they realized there were a lot of problems, but because there's only a year of development (not even, with bug testing and everything) in between titles, there's only so much they can do.  Either someone has to make a brand new baseball game, or one of 2k's developers needs to be creating a new version of MLB 2k that isn't working off the same engine as the previous games.

That's why I think sports games should follow this schedule:

Year 1:  Game
Year 2:  Roster update
Year 3:  Game
Year 4:  Roster update

And so on.  It'll never happen, because they know yearly installments will continue to sell.  But, hell, I'd be more willing to pay $70 for a game and $30 for a good roster update than $60 each year for a game that's really no different or better than the previous year's installment.

Or, sports developers should take a hint from the Call of Duty series and alternate development teams each year so every installment is developed for two full years.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 12, 2009, 10:38:51 AM

Quote from: Weebs on January 12, 2009, 10:26:05 AM
The problem is more that they just don't have the development time to make the changes necessary.  I'm sure when they made MLB 2k6, which was the biggest overhaul of the games, they realized there were a lot of problems, but because there's only a year of development (not even, with bug testing and everything) in between titles, there's only so much they can do.  Either someone has to make a brand new baseball game, or one of 2k's developers needs to be creating a new version of MLB 2k that isn't working off the same engine as the previous games.

That's why I think sports games should follow this schedule:

Year 1:  Game
Year 2:  Roster update
Year 3:  Game
Year 4:  Roster update

And so on.  It'll never happen, because they know yearly installments will continue to sell.  But, hell, I'd be more willing to pay $70 for a game and $30 for a good roster update than $60 each year for a game that's really no different or better than the previous year's installment.

Or, sports developers should take a hint from the Call of Duty series and alternate development teams each year so every installment is developed for two full years.

Quote from: Weebs on January 12, 2009, 10:26:05 AM
The problem is more that they just don't have the development time to make the changes necessary.

Quote from: Pre on January 12, 2009, 10:57:19 AM

Quote from: Weebs on January 12, 2009, 10:26:05 AM
The problem is more that they just don't have the development time to make the changes necessary.

Boo!

The problem is that people will buy the games regardless and instead of spending money on more developers, they did
a market study and found out it was cheaper to just buy the exclusive license and create a captive audience.

Sports games, like real sports, are full of money/fan interest balances from the business side of things.

They know they just need to make a game good enough to get somewhat decent reviews and we'll buy it anyways.  So
will a million other people.

Once you graduate, get a real job, and perhaps finally know the feeling of the embrace of a woman or man, you'll realize
that pretty much all of life works that way.  Considering how you might finally manage to feel the embrace of a woman or
man, that process will probably involve the types of monetary negotiation and cost/value calculations I'm talking about.

Also, I'm pretty sure I read that they had a longer than 1 year development cycle on this year's version.

Quote from: Weebs on January 12, 2009, 11:02:03 AM

Quote from: Pre on January 12, 2009, 10:57:19 AM

Quote from: Weebs on January 12, 2009, 10:26:05 AM
The problem is more that they just don't have the development time to make the changes necessary.

Boo!

The problem is that people will buy the games regardless and instead of spending money on more developers, they did
a market study and found out it was cheaper to just buy the exclusive license and create a captive audience.

Sports games, like real sports, are full of money/fan interest balances from the business side of things.

They know they just need to make a game good enough to get somewhat decent reviews and we'll buy it anyways.  So
will a million other people.

Once you graduate, get a real job, and perhaps finally know the feeling of the embrace of a woman or man, you'll realize
that pretty much all of life works that way.  Considering how you might finally manage to feel the embrace of a woman or
man, that process will probably involve the types of monetary negotiation and cost/value calculations I'm talking about.

Also, I'm pretty sure I read that they had a longer than 1 year development cycle on this year's version.

My second post was THIS.

I know it's obviously more cost-effective to run out an update every year with a few tweaks, but a short development cycle doesn't help.  Obviously, even after a title ships, they've been working on the next version already and are already probably working on elements of MLB 2k12.  Regardless, when they create the engine and make the first game with that engine, they've set the template for at least the next few titles.  If they made a mistake, there's a whole lot that needs to go into fixing it, and the 10 months or so of development time just aren't enough.  So instead, they try to rework code a bit and add a few little tweaks to make the fanbase happy, but nothing major can be done until they take the time for a full overhaul to the various systems and mechanics.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 12, 2009, 11:16:12 AM

Quote from: Weebs on January 12, 2009, 11:02:03 AM

Quote from: Pre on January 12, 2009, 10:57:19 AM

Quote from: Weebs on January 12, 2009, 10:26:05 AM
The problem is more that they just don't have the development time to make the changes necessary.

Boo!

The problem is that people will buy the games regardless and instead of spending money on more developers, they did
a market study and found out it was cheaper to just buy the exclusive license and create a captive audience.

Sports games, like real sports, are full of money/fan interest balances from the business side of things.

They know they just need to make a game good enough to get somewhat decent reviews and we'll buy it anyways.  So
will a million other people.

Once you graduate, get a real job, and perhaps finally know the feeling of the embrace of a woman or man, you'll realize
that pretty much all of life works that way.  Considering how you might finally manage to feel the embrace of a woman or
man, that process will probably involve the types of monetary negotiation and cost/value calculations I'm talking about.

Also, I'm pretty sure I read that they had a longer than 1 year development cycle on this year's version.

My second post was THIS.

I know it's obviously more cost-effective to run out an update every year with a few tweaks, but a short development cycle doesn't help.  Obviously, even after a title ships, they've been working on the next version already and are already probably working on elements of MLB 2k12.  Regardless, when they create the engine and make the first game with that engine, they've set the template for at least the next few titles.  If they made a mistake, there's a whole lot that needs to go into fixing it, and the 10 months or so of development time just aren't enough.  So instead, they try to rework code a bit and add a few little tweaks to make the fanbase happy, but nothing major can be done until they take the time for a full overhaul to the various systems and mechanics.

Which means that Kerm was 110% right when he said that they should take a page from the Call of Duty franchise's development cycle of Treyarch/Infinity Ward getting to pump out a game once every two years, with alternating yearly release dates.  One extremely good game per year gets you great succes.  CoD4 just netted 14 million copies sold.  I'm sure WaW, though a bit inferior, will get good numbers as well.  Now, Treyarch is sub-par to Infinity Ward, but the games are still great.  This should be the model for current sports game franchises.

It does seem a bit goofy that a FPS churns out a game per year and alternates development houses to ensure two-year cycles for each game, when the real users of this model should be the sporting franchises.

Quote from: Weebs on January 12, 2009, 11:19:30 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 12, 2009, 11:16:12 AM

Quote from: Weebs on January 12, 2009, 11:02:03 AM

Quote from: Pre on January 12, 2009, 10:57:19 AM

Quote from: Weebs on January 12, 2009, 10:26:05 AM
The problem is more that they just don't have the development time to make the changes necessary.

Boo!

The problem is that people will buy the games regardless and instead of spending money on more developers, they did
a market study and found out it was cheaper to just buy the exclusive license and create a captive audience.

Sports games, like real sports, are full of money/fan interest balances from the business side of things.

They know they just need to make a game good enough to get somewhat decent reviews and we'll buy it anyways.  So
will a million other people.

Once you graduate, get a real job, and perhaps finally know the feeling of the embrace of a woman or man, you'll realize
that pretty much all of life works that way.  Considering how you might finally manage to feel the embrace of a woman or
man, that process will probably involve the types of monetary negotiation and cost/value calculations I'm talking about.

Also, I'm pretty sure I read that they had a longer than 1 year development cycle on this year's version.

My second post was THIS.

I know it's obviously more cost-effective to run out an update every year with a few tweaks, but a short development cycle doesn't help.  Obviously, even after a title ships, they've been working on the next version already and are already probably working on elements of MLB 2k12.  Regardless, when they create the engine and make the first game with that engine, they've set the template for at least the next few titles.  If they made a mistake, there's a whole lot that needs to go into fixing it, and the 10 months or so of development time just aren't enough.  So instead, they try to rework code a bit and add a few little tweaks to make the fanbase happy, but nothing major can be done until they take the time for a full overhaul to the various systems and mechanics.

Which means that Kerm was 110% right when he said that they should take a page from the Call of Duty franchise's development cycle of Treyarch/Infinity Ward getting to pump out a game once every two years, with alternating yearly release dates.  One extremely good game per year gets you great succes.  CoD4 just netted 14 million copies sold.  I'm sure WaW, though a bit inferior, will get good numbers as well.  Now, Treyarch is sub-par to Infinity Ward, but the games are still great.  This should be the model for current sports game franchises.

It does seem a bit goofy that a FPS churns out a game per year and alternates development houses to ensure two-year cycles for each game, when the real users of this model should be the sporting franchises.

The problem with that is you have to get two developers working on the same code simultaneously.  It works for COD because they're working on two completely different games.  A new sports game is simply an updated version of the previous title.  So the problem is you'd have say Visual Concept's MLB 2k8 with "Super Zone Hitting" and whoever the hell made the other version's MLB 2k9 with "Ultra Swing Hitting," and do you go back to "Super Zone Hitting" in 2k10?  The only way it would work correctly is if the two companies were developing with completely different engines.

Quote from: Thrillho on October 22, 2008, 08:37:11 AM
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Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 12, 2009, 11:35:39 AM
Weebs, I'd imagine it works in much the same way that CoD does.  Treyarch's CoD3 was, as much as it could be, different than Infinity Ward's CoD4 Modern Warfare.  Then, they found something:  Modern Warfare's iteration rocks the shit out of FPS gamers and suddenly, Treyarch sees the light and uses the CoD4 engine.

Assuming that Visual Concepts and Kush (if those are the two houses) come together to agree on the same hitting interfaces, pitching interfaces, throwing interfaces, etc., then it works.  You know a ton more of what goes into making a game than I do, but the logic makes a whole mess of sense.  Does it not?

Quote from: Weebs on January 12, 2009, 11:41:40 AM
It doesn't really work for a title that gets updated every year like MLB 2k.  

Quote from: Tank on January 12, 2009, 11:39:03 AM

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Quote from: Pre on January 12, 2009, 11:47:06 AM

Quote from: Weebs on January 12, 2009, 11:41:40 AM
It doesn't really work for a title that gets updated every year like MLB 2k.  

Please stop pretending like you know anything about real software projects.  It makes you sound like
a douche.

Quote from: 5laky on January 12, 2009, 11:51:51 AM

Quote from: Pre on January 12, 2009, 11:47:06 AM

Quote from: Weebs on January 12, 2009, 11:41:40 AM
It doesn't really work for a title that gets updated every year like MLB 2k.  

Please stop pretending like you know anything about real software projects.  It makes you sound like
a douche.

Not to mention now this thread is about Call of Duty and a bunch of other acronyms and companies I couldn't give less of a shit about.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 12, 2009, 11:56:23 AM

Quote from: 5laky on January 12, 2009, 11:51:51 AM

Quote from: Pre on January 12, 2009, 11:47:06 AM

Quote from: Weebs on January 12, 2009, 11:41:40 AM
It doesn't really work for a title that gets updated every year like MLB 2k.  

Please stop pretending like you know anything about real software projects.  It makes you sound like
a douche.

Not to mention now this thread is about Call of Duty and a bunch of other acronyms and companies I couldn't give less of a shit about.

It's not so much about Call of Duty, but more about how they continue to produce an elite product.

Quote from: 5laky on January 12, 2009, 12:00:24 PM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 12, 2009, 11:56:23 AM

Quote from: 5laky on January 12, 2009, 11:51:51 AM

Quote from: Pre on January 12, 2009, 11:47:06 AM

Quote from: Weebs on January 12, 2009, 11:41:40 AM
It doesn't really work for a title that gets updated every year like MLB 2k. 

Please stop pretending like you know anything about real software projects.  It makes you sound like
a douche.

Not to mention now this thread is about Call of Duty and a bunch of other acronyms and companies I couldn't give less of a shit about.

It's not so much about Call of Duty, but more about how they continue to produce an elite product.

Which is why I'm probably done with this thread.

Quote from: Tank on January 12, 2009, 12:08:52 PM

Quote from: 5laky on January 12, 2009, 12:00:24 PM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 12, 2009, 11:56:23 AM

Quote from: 5laky on January 12, 2009, 11:51:51 AM

Quote from: Pre on January 12, 2009, 11:47:06 AM

Quote from: Weebs on January 12, 2009, 11:41:40 AM
It doesn't really work for a title that gets updated every year like MLB 2k. 

Please stop pretending like you know anything about real software projects.  It makes you sound like
a douche.

Not to mention now this thread is about Call of Duty and a bunch of other acronyms and companies I couldn't give less of a shit about.

It's not so much about Call of Duty, but more about how they continue to produce an elite product.

Which is why I'm probably done with this thread.

That sounds like a THREAT!!!

Quote from: Weebs on January 12, 2009, 11:19:30 AM
The problem with that is you have to get two developers working on the same code simultaneously.  It works for COD because they're working on two completely different games.  A new sports game is simply an updated version of the previous title.  So the problem is you'd have say Visual Concept's MLB 2k8 with "Super Zone Hitting" and whoever the hell made the other version's MLB 2k9 with "Ultra Swing Hitting," and do you go back to "Super Zone Hitting" in 2k10?  The only way it would work correctly is if the two companies were developing with completely different engines.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 12, 2009, 03:27:02 PM

Quote from: Weebs on January 12, 2009, 11:19:30 AM
The problem with that is you have to get two developers working on the same code simultaneously.  It works for COD because they're working on two completely different games.  A new sports game is simply an updated version of the previous title.  So the problem is you'd have say Visual Concept's MLB 2k8 with "Super Zone Hitting" and whoever the hell made the other version's MLB 2k9 with "Ultra Swing Hitting," and do you go back to "Super Zone Hitting" in 2k10?  The only way it would work correctly is if the two companies were developing with completely different engines.

Couldn't the two groups, you know, TALK to each other?

Never mind.  I just remembered we're talking about programmers.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 13, 2009, 10:02:10 AM
DPD, but I finally had a look-see at the features list and found this:

Real-time Living World

Anything that happens in a baseball stadium happens in 2K9 in Real Time.
Players will move from the dugout to the batter's box and from the bullpen to the mound.
Players warm up by throwing around the horn, bat swinging practice, etc.
Umpire, ball boys, coaches – All onfield personnel will be moving naturally to and from their positions.
Celebrations – Players will react properly to a regular end-game to walkoff home run, to no-hitter and World Series celebration.
Vendors move in the crowd
Fans react to home runs and foul balls

That's going to be pretty cool, if it's done well.  But, again...I hope this includes some upgrading to the stadiums.

Quote from: Weebs on January 13, 2009, 10:25:16 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 13, 2009, 10:02:10 AM
DPD, but I finally had a look-see at the features list and found this:

Real-time Living World

Anything that happens in a baseball stadium happens in 2K9 in Real Time.
Players will move from the dugout to the batter's box and from the bullpen to the mound.
Players warm up by throwing around the horn, bat swinging practice, etc.
Umpire, ball boys, coaches – All onfield personnel will be moving naturally to and from their positions.
Celebrations – Players will react properly to a regular end-game to walkoff home run, to no-hitter and World Series celebration.
Vendors move in the crowd
Fans react to home runs and foul balls

That's going to be pretty cool, if it's done well.  But, again...I hope this includes some upgrading to the stadiums.

It's incredible that it took them this long to do the crowd stuff.  Hopefully if you are playing as the Royals, you'll get about 10,000 people in your ballpark every game.

Quote from: Fork on January 13, 2009, 10:27:49 AM

Quote from: Weebs on January 13, 2009, 10:25:16 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 13, 2009, 10:02:10 AM
DPD, but I finally had a look-see at the features list and found this:

Real-time Living World

Anything that happens in a baseball stadium happens in 2K9 in Real Time.
Players will move from the dugout to the batter's box and from the bullpen to the mound.
Players warm up by throwing around the horn, bat swinging practice, etc.
Umpire, ball boys, coaches – All onfield personnel will be moving naturally to and from their positions.
Celebrations – Players will react properly to a regular end-game to walkoff home run, to no-hitter and World Series celebration.
Vendors move in the crowd
Fans react to home runs and foul balls

That's going to be pretty cool, if it's done well.  But, again...I hope this includes some upgrading to the stadiums.

It's incredible that it took them this long to do the crowd stuff.  Hopefully if you are playing as the Royals, you'll get about 10,000 people in your ballpark every game.

They better not have anyone sitting in Yellon's seat.

Quote from: Weebs on January 13, 2009, 10:25:16 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 13, 2009, 10:02:10 AM
DPD, but I finally had a look-see at the features list and found this:

Real-time Living World

Anything that happens in a baseball stadium happens in 2K9 in Real Time.
Players will move from the dugout to the batter's box and from the bullpen to the mound.
Players warm up by throwing around the horn, bat swinging practice, etc.
Umpire, ball boys, coaches – All onfield personnel will be moving naturally to and from their positions.
Celebrations – Players will react properly to a regular end-game to walkoff home run, to no-hitter and World Series celebration.
Vendors move in the crowd
Fans react to home runs and foul balls

That's going to be pretty cool, if it's done well.  But, again...I hope this includes some upgrading to the stadiums.

It's incredible that it took them this long to do the crowd stuff.  Hopefully if you are playing as the Royals, you'll get about 10,000 people in your ballpark every game.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 13, 2009, 10:41:21 AM

Quote from: Weebs on January 13, 2009, 10:25:16 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 13, 2009, 10:02:10 AM
DPD, but I finally had a look-see at the features list and found this:

Real-time Living World

Anything that happens in a baseball stadium happens in 2K9 in Real Time.
Players will move from the dugout to the batter's box and from the bullpen to the mound.
Players warm up by throwing around the horn, bat swinging practice, etc.
Umpire, ball boys, coaches – All onfield personnel will be moving naturally to and from their positions.
Celebrations – Players will react properly to a regular end-game to walkoff home run, to no-hitter and World Series celebration.
Vendors move in the crowd
Fans react to home runs and foul balls

That's going to be pretty cool, if it's done well.  But, again...I hope this includes some upgrading to the stadiums.

It's incredible that it took them this long to do the crowd stuff.  Hopefully if you are playing as the Royals, you'll get about 10,000 people in your ballpark every game.

Huh?  Isn't this the first time ANY baseball game has done the crowd stuff like this?  I'm pretty sure all other baseball games have had pre-rendered cutscenes.  This is supposedly going to be like how Visual Concepts did the most recent NBA 2K games with a totally dynamic stadium atmosphere.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 13, 2009, 11:08:40 AM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 13, 2009, 10:41:21 AM

Quote from: Weebs on January 13, 2009, 10:25:16 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 13, 2009, 10:02:10 AM
DPD, but I finally had a look-see at the features list and found this:

Real-time Living World

Anything that happens in a baseball stadium happens in 2K9 in Real Time.
Players will move from the dugout to the batter's box and from the bullpen to the mound.
Players warm up by throwing around the horn, bat swinging practice, etc.
Umpire, ball boys, coaches – All onfield personnel will be moving naturally to and from their positions.
Celebrations – Players will react properly to a regular end-game to walkoff home run, to no-hitter and World Series celebration.
Vendors move in the crowd
Fans react to home runs and foul balls

That's going to be pretty cool, if it's done well.  But, again...I hope this includes some upgrading to the stadiums.

It's incredible that it took them this long to do the crowd stuff.  Hopefully if you are playing as the Royals, you'll get about 10,000 people in your ballpark every game.

Huh?  Isn't this the first time ANY baseball game has done the crowd stuff like this?  I'm pretty sure all other baseball games have had pre-rendered cutscenes.  This is supposedly going to be like how Visual Concepts did the most recent NBA 2K games with a totally dynamic stadium atmosphere.

I even think 2K had a game recently where the crowds would catch foul balls and homeruns.  It might have been on my PS2, but I distinctly remember watching these.  They were kinda lame, because there were like two or three preprogrammed cutscenes where the guy/gal would catch/drop the ball, but it was still some air of authenticity.

I actually think All Star Baseball or some other franchise did some crowd animations on HRs where most of the fans in the vacinity of the ball would reach in the direction of the ball to catch it.  That little nuance was actually kind of neat.

Quote from: Weebs on January 13, 2009, 11:10:01 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 13, 2009, 11:08:40 AM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 13, 2009, 10:41:21 AM

Quote from: Weebs on January 13, 2009, 10:25:16 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 13, 2009, 10:02:10 AM
DPD, but I finally had a look-see at the features list and found this:

Real-time Living World

Anything that happens in a baseball stadium happens in 2K9 in Real Time.
Players will move from the dugout to the batter's box and from the bullpen to the mound.
Players warm up by throwing around the horn, bat swinging practice, etc.
Umpire, ball boys, coaches – All onfield personnel will be moving naturally to and from their positions.
Celebrations – Players will react properly to a regular end-game to walkoff home run, to no-hitter and World Series celebration.
Vendors move in the crowd
Fans react to home runs and foul balls

That's going to be pretty cool, if it's done well.  But, again...I hope this includes some upgrading to the stadiums.

It's incredible that it took them this long to do the crowd stuff.  Hopefully if you are playing as the Royals, you'll get about 10,000 people in your ballpark every game.

Huh?  Isn't this the first time ANY baseball game has done the crowd stuff like this?  I'm pretty sure all other baseball games have had pre-rendered cutscenes.  This is supposedly going to be like how Visual Concepts did the most recent NBA 2K games with a totally dynamic stadium atmosphere.

I even think 2K had a game recently where the crowds would catch foul balls and homeruns.  It might have been on my PS2, but I distinctly remember watching these.  They were kinda lame, because there were like two or three preprogrammed cutscenes where the guy/gal would catch/drop the ball, but it was still some air of authenticity.

I actually think All Star Baseball or some other franchise did some crowd animations on HRs where most of the fans in the vacinity of the ball would reach in the direction of the ball to catch it.  That little nuance was actually kind of neat.

The last 2k game did that.  It was kind of cool the first time, but then it just looked terrible.  It was the same cutscene over and over, or you'd suddenly see the crappy-looking people in the crowd suddenly blob up together in one section where there was a foul ball.

Quote from: Weebs on January 13, 2009, 10:25:16 AM
It's incredible that it took them this long to do the crowd stuff.  Hopefully if you are playing as the Royals, you'll get about 10,000 people in your ballpark every game.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 12, 2009, 09:57:46 AM

Quote from: Weebs on January 12, 2009, 09:40:48 AM
They had that with the old-gen games.  Somehow, the increase in technology has made that impossible to replicate.

Bullshit.

Quote from: Timmy B on January 18, 2009, 01:46:05 PM

Quote from: Weebs on January 13, 2009, 10:25:16 AM
It's incredible that it took them this long to do the crowd stuff.  Hopefully if you are playing as the Royals, you'll get about 10,000 people in your ballpark every game.

That was a really nice touch in the Ken Griffey baseball game on the N64, way back when. If the game was a blowout, you'd see people (and by people, I mean dots) leaving the seats and heading for the exits. If you were playing a season and your team was really awful, the stadium would be nearly empty at home games.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 12, 2009, 09:57:46 AM

Quote from: Weebs on January 12, 2009, 09:40:48 AM
They had that with the old-gen games.  Somehow, the increase in technology has made that impossible to replicate.

Bullshit.

(Saving the state of the game at any point, then returning to it)

It's entirely possible that it's hard / impossible to do, nowadays. Depending on how much information would need to be contained within the save state (and depending on how bloated 2K's code is), it might not be feasible to do drop-out / drop-in gameplay.

And, yes, High Heat was the tits. Microsoft bought the rights and assets to the game when 3DO went belly-up several years ago, and it was working on a new baseball game based on that engine ... but then Microsoft Game Studios liquidated its sports division, because the games were getting clobbered, sales-wise, by EA and 2K. What could have been...

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 19, 2009, 07:41:20 AM

Quote from: Timmy B on January 18, 2009, 01:46:05 PM

Quote from: Weebs on January 13, 2009, 10:25:16 AM
It's incredible that it took them this long to do the crowd stuff.  Hopefully if you are playing as the Royals, you'll get about 10,000 people in your ballpark every game.

That was a really nice touch in the Ken Griffey baseball game on the N64, way back when. If the game was a blowout, you'd see people (and by people, I mean dots) leaving the seats and heading for the exits. If you were playing a season and your team was really awful, the stadium would be nearly empty at home games.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 12, 2009, 09:57:46 AM

Quote from: Weebs on January 12, 2009, 09:40:48 AM
They had that with the old-gen games.  Somehow, the increase in technology has made that impossible to replicate.

Bullshit.

(Saving the state of the game at any point, then returning to it)

It's entirely possible that it's hard / impossible to do, nowadays. Depending on how much information would need to be contained within the save state (and depending on how bloated 2K's code is), it might not be feasible to do drop-out / drop-in gameplay.

And, yes, High Heat was the tits. Microsoft bought the rights and assets to the game when 3DO went belly-up several years ago, and it was working on a new baseball game based on that engine ... but then Microsoft Game Studios liquidated its sports division, because the games were getting clobbered, sales-wise, by EA and 2K. What could have been...

But, 2K's baseball games always have the save whenever feature.  I was talking about EA's Madden and NCAA series not having the save whenever feature that makes me want to actually play them less.

Quote from: Weebs on January 19, 2009, 08:08:42 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 19, 2009, 07:41:20 AM

Quote from: Timmy B on January 18, 2009, 01:46:05 PM

Quote from: Weebs on January 13, 2009, 10:25:16 AM
It's incredible that it took them this long to do the crowd stuff.  Hopefully if you are playing as the Royals, you'll get about 10,000 people in your ballpark every game.

That was a really nice touch in the Ken Griffey baseball game on the N64, way back when. If the game was a blowout, you'd see people (and by people, I mean dots) leaving the seats and heading for the exits. If you were playing a season and your team was really awful, the stadium would be nearly empty at home games.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 12, 2009, 09:57:46 AM

Quote from: Weebs on January 12, 2009, 09:40:48 AM
They had that with the old-gen games.  Somehow, the increase in technology has made that impossible to replicate.

Bullshit.

(Saving the state of the game at any point, then returning to it)

It's entirely possible that it's hard / impossible to do, nowadays. Depending on how much information would need to be contained within the save state (and depending on how bloated 2K's code is), it might not be feasible to do drop-out / drop-in gameplay.

And, yes, High Heat was the tits. Microsoft bought the rights and assets to the game when 3DO went belly-up several years ago, and it was working on a new baseball game based on that engine ... but then Microsoft Game Studios liquidated its sports division, because the games were getting clobbered, sales-wise, by EA and 2K. What could have been...

But, 2K's baseball games always have the save whenever feature.  I was talking about EA's Madden and NCAA series not having the save whenever feature that makes me want to actually play them less.

The old-gen games (at least Madden) had that feature.  I know for sure Madden 06 had it.  I could see it being a whole lot easier to make a save state of a baseball game rather than a football game.  There's a lot less going on at any given time.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 19, 2009, 08:45:31 AM
I don't know much about code and whatnot, but this shouldn't be very hard.  If they could do it before, they should damn well be able to do it now.

Quote from: Pre on January 19, 2009, 11:26:16 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 19, 2009, 08:45:31 AM
I don't know much about code and whatnot, but this shouldn't be very hard.  If they could do it before, they should damn well be able to do it now.

You'll be a lot less confused if you just ignore any comment that sounds authoritative from Weebs.  It's all straight crazy.

Quote from: Weebs on January 19, 2009, 12:01:24 PM

Quote from: Pre on January 19, 2009, 11:26:16 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 19, 2009, 08:45:31 AM
I don't know much about code and whatnot, but this shouldn't be very hard.  If they could do it before, they should damn well be able to do it now.

You'll be a lot less confused if you just ignore any comment that sounds authoritative from Weebs.  It's all straight crazy.

Well first you have to take into account all the Congluenomerative Code.  Then when they make Bypass ID Changes to the 7th String Command Line, it prevents the Residual Checksum Float Tables from saving on the Backend Memory Navigator.

So, yeah.  FACE!

Quote from: 5laky on January 19, 2009, 12:10:11 PM

Quote from: Weebs on January 19, 2009, 12:01:24 PM

Quote from: Pre on January 19, 2009, 11:26:16 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 19, 2009, 08:45:31 AM
I don't know much about code and whatnot, but this shouldn't be very hard.  If they could do it before, they should damn well be able to do it now.

You'll be a lot less confused if you just ignore any comment that sounds authoritative from Weebs.  It's all straight crazy.

Well first you have to take into account all the Congluenomerative Code.  Then when they make Bypass ID Changes to the 7th String Command Line, it prevents the Residual Checksum Float Tables from saving on the Backend Memory Navigator.

So, yeah.  FACE!

It's awesome how oblivious you are.

Quote from: Weebs on January 19, 2009, 12:16:23 PM

Quote from: 5laky on January 19, 2009, 12:10:11 PM

Quote from: Weebs on January 19, 2009, 12:01:24 PM

Quote from: Pre on January 19, 2009, 11:26:16 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 19, 2009, 08:45:31 AM
I don't know much about code and whatnot, but this shouldn't be very hard.  If they could do it before, they should damn well be able to do it now.

You'll be a lot less confused if you just ignore any comment that sounds authoritative from Weebs.  It's all straight crazy.

Well first you have to take into account all the Congluenomerative Code.  Then when they make Bypass ID Changes to the 7th String Command Line, it prevents the Residual Checksum Float Tables from saving on the Backend Memory Navigator.

So, yeah.  FACE!

It's awesome how oblivious you are.

I really hope nobody thought I was being serious with that last post.

Quote from: IrishYeti on January 19, 2009, 12:25:35 PM

Quote from: Weebs on January 19, 2009, 12:16:23 PM

Quote from: 5laky on January 19, 2009, 12:10:11 PM

Quote from: Weebs on January 19, 2009, 12:01:24 PM

Quote from: Pre on January 19, 2009, 11:26:16 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 19, 2009, 08:45:31 AM
I don't know much about code and whatnot, but this shouldn't be very hard.  If they could do it before, they should damn well be able to do it now.

You'll be a lot less confused if you just ignore any comment that sounds authoritative from Weebs.  It's all straight crazy.

Well first you have to take into account all the Congluenomerative Code.  Then when they make Bypass ID Changes to the , it prevents the from saving on the Backend Memory Navigator.

So, yeah.  FACE!

It's awesome how oblivious you are.

I really hope nobody thought I was being serious with that last post.

I did... And I already bought my Backend Memory Navigator in hopes of being the next great video game creator (or so I can maybe navigate TDubbs' backend.. Not too sure)

QuoteXBOX 360/Playstation 3
• Living Rosters – Active roster updates guarantee your game is current. Rosters are automatically updated behind the scenes, so you're never late on a trade and always have the hottest players in your starting lineup.
• More Signature Style™ – 2K Sports adds to its impressive library of player–specific animations with more than 300 new signature animations, bringing players to life at the plate, on the mound and in the field, allowing you to play ball like never before.
• Next-Gen Controls – Right stick pitching, batting and responsive fielding bring your virtual baseball experience into the next generation. Improved two-step Precision Pitching™ controls, deeper Swing Stick™ batting and quick fielding responses round out your control of the game.
• Franchise Mode – Take charge of your franchise and enjoy the all-new MLB.com presentation style, a new level of CPU customization, multi-player functionality, and real player ambitions.
• Swing Stick™ Advanced – Now you can really Play Ball. Improved batting controls give batters the ability to influence hits with timing and aim. Improved hit distribution and variety deliver more hit types including spray shots, pulls, line drives and long bombs.
• Inside Edge 2009 – Inside Edge produces remarkably accurate player tendencies. With more than 6 years of scouting reports infused into the action on the field, Inside Edge ensures that players react to in-game situations as they would in real life.
• 2K HD/Real-Time Atmosphere – An all-new Virtual Director brings in-game broadcasts to life in real-time with smart camera placement, angles, and cuts. Real-Time Atmosphere adds to the presentation package by bringing nuances to life throughout the duration of a game. Lighting, umpires, ball boys and coaches all move and progress naturally and seamlessly for a true-to-life ballpark experience.
• New Broadcast Team – Gary Thorne provides the play by play calls alongside color analyst Steve Phillips giving a new perspective and more depth for a true-to-life, insightful
broadcast. With improved sound effects including real time crowd noise you'll feel like you're actually sitting in the park.
• Postseason Mode – New Playoffs Mode – Jump right into the post season without having to play through 162 regular season games. And if you win it all, experience a World Series® celebration in true championship style.
• Team 2K – An online competition lasting 10 weeks to compile a team of the best online players. Just play Ranked Quick Matches to compete and win prizes. * Void where prohibited. See 2Ksports.com/team2K for details.
• 2K Share – How do you play ball? Create, upload, and share rosters, sliders, and even players created with the all-new Player DNA feature. This also includes the newly added Reelmaker, where you can now direct your own digital video highlight reels and post them on 2KSports.com for all the world to watch and admire.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 22, 2009, 05:36:52 PM
DPD, looks like the information is starting to come out a bit faster.  Here's a more updated list of features (http://2ksports.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2198336) (there's stuff at the link for Wii and PS2 versions, but let's be serious here).

QuoteXBOX 360/Playstation 3
• Living Rosters – Active roster updates guarantee your game is current. Rosters are automatically updated behind the scenes, so you're never late on a trade and always have the hottest players in your starting lineup.
• More Signature Style™ – 2K Sports adds to its impressive library of player–specific animations with more than 300 new signature animations, bringing players to life at the plate, on the mound and in the field, allowing you to play ball like never before.
• Next-Gen Controls – Right stick pitching, batting and responsive fielding bring your virtual baseball experience into the next generation. Improved two-step Precision Pitching™ controls, deeper Swing Stick™ batting and quick fielding responses round out your control of the game.
• Franchise Mode – Take charge of your franchise and enjoy the all-new MLB.com presentation style, a new level of CPU customization, multi-player functionality, and real player ambitions.
• Swing Stick™ Advanced – Now you can really Play Ball. Improved batting controls give batters the ability to influence hits with timing and aim. Improved hit distribution and variety deliver more hit types including spray shots, pulls, line drives and long bombs.
• Inside Edge 2009 – Inside Edge produces remarkably accurate player tendencies. With more than 6 years of scouting reports infused into the action on the field, Inside Edge ensures that players react to in-game situations as they would in real life.
• 2K HD/Real-Time Atmosphere – An all-new Virtual Director brings in-game broadcasts to life in real-time with smart camera placement, angles, and cuts. Real-Time Atmosphere adds to the presentation package by bringing nuances to life throughout the duration of a game. Lighting, umpires, ball boys and coaches all move and progress naturally and seamlessly for a true-to-life ballpark experience.
• New Broadcast Team – Gary Thorne provides the play by play calls alongside color analyst Steve Phillips giving a new perspective and more depth for a true-to-life, insightful
broadcast. With improved sound effects including real time crowd noise you'll feel like you're actually sitting in the park.
• Postseason Mode – New Playoffs Mode – Jump right into the post season without having to play through 162 regular season games. And if you win it all, experience a World Series® celebration in true championship style.
• Team 2K – An online competition lasting 10 weeks to compile a team of the best online players. Just play Ranked Quick Matches to compete and win prizes. * Void where prohibited. See 2Ksports.com/team2K for details.
• 2K Share – How do you play ball? Create, upload, and share rosters, sliders, and even players created with the all-new Player DNA feature. This also includes the newly added Reelmaker, where you can now direct your own digital video highlight reels and post them on 2KSports.com for all the world to watch and admire.

I'm pumped that they're leaving in the Swing Stick while adding the ability to aim.  I thought they were going to take a step backward and make swinging back into a button press.  I'm thrilled about the addition of Gary Thorne, but STEVE PHILLIPS???  REALLY???  I'm interested to hear what this "Living Rosters" thing is all about, and I want to see what the MLB.com presentation is like.  Looks like some good information, though.

Quote from: Weebs on January 22, 2009, 05:49:09 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 22, 2009, 05:36:52 PM
DPD, looks like the information is starting to come out a bit faster.  Here's a more updated list of features (http://2ksports.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2198336) (there's stuff at the link for Wii and PS2 versions, but let's be serious here).

QuoteXBOX 360/Playstation 3
• Living Rosters – Active roster updates guarantee your game is current. Rosters are automatically updated behind the scenes, so you're never late on a trade and always have the hottest players in your starting lineup.
• More Signature Style™ – 2K Sports adds to its impressive library of player–specific animations with more than 300 new signature animations, bringing players to life at the plate, on the mound and in the field, allowing you to play ball like never before.
• Next-Gen Controls – Right stick pitching, batting and responsive fielding bring your virtual baseball experience into the next generation. Improved two-step Precision Pitching™ controls, deeper Swing Stick™ batting and quick fielding responses round out your control of the game.
• Franchise Mode – Take charge of your franchise and enjoy the all-new MLB.com presentation style, a new level of CPU customization, multi-player functionality, and real player ambitions.
• Swing Stick™ Advanced – Now you can really Play Ball. Improved batting controls give batters the ability to influence hits with timing and aim. Improved hit distribution and variety deliver more hit types including spray shots, pulls, line drives and long bombs.
• Inside Edge 2009 – Inside Edge produces remarkably accurate player tendencies. With more than 6 years of scouting reports infused into the action on the field, Inside Edge ensures that players react to in-game situations as they would in real life.
• 2K HD/Real-Time Atmosphere – An all-new Virtual Director brings in-game broadcasts to life in real-time with smart camera placement, angles, and cuts. Real-Time Atmosphere adds to the presentation package by bringing nuances to life throughout the duration of a game. Lighting, umpires, ball boys and coaches all move and progress naturally and seamlessly for a true-to-life ballpark experience.
• New Broadcast Team – Gary Thorne provides the play by play calls alongside color analyst Steve Phillips giving a new perspective and more depth for a true-to-life, insightful
broadcast. With improved sound effects including real time crowd noise you'll feel like you're actually sitting in the park.
• Postseason Mode – New Playoffs Mode – Jump right into the post season without having to play through 162 regular season games. And if you win it all, experience a World Series® celebration in true championship style.
• Team 2K – An online competition lasting 10 weeks to compile a team of the best online players. Just play Ranked Quick Matches to compete and win prizes. * Void where prohibited. See 2Ksports.com/team2K for details.
• 2K Share – How do you play ball? Create, upload, and share rosters, sliders, and even players created with the all-new Player DNA feature. This also includes the newly added Reelmaker, where you can now direct your own digital video highlight reels and post them on 2KSports.com for all the world to watch and admire.

I'm pumped that they're leaving in the Swing Stick while adding the ability to aim.  I thought they were going to take a step backward and make swinging back into a button press.  I'm thrilled about the addition of Gary Thorne, but STEVE PHILLIPS???  REALLY???  I'm interested to hear what this "Living Rosters" thing is all about, and I want to see what the MLB.com presentation is like.  Looks like some good information, though.

I know they have the Living Rosters feature with NbA 2k9.  It's supposed to basically give daily roster updates to reflect how a player is on that day.  So if Aramis is going through a slump on May 14th, the roster update will have his stats down a little bit.  So basically you won't be waiting until the trade deadline for 2k to finally have the rosters with Andruw Jones as a 70 instead of a 94.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 22, 2009, 05:58:02 PM

Quote from: Weebs on January 22, 2009, 05:49:09 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 22, 2009, 05:36:52 PM
DPD, looks like the information is starting to come out a bit faster.  Here's a more updated list of features (http://2ksports.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2198336) (there's stuff at the link for Wii and PS2 versions, but let's be serious here).

QuoteXBOX 360/Playstation 3
• Living Rosters – Active roster updates guarantee your game is current. Rosters are automatically updated behind the scenes, so you're never late on a trade and always have the hottest players in your starting lineup.
• More Signature Style™ – 2K Sports adds to its impressive library of player–specific animations with more than 300 new signature animations, bringing players to life at the plate, on the mound and in the field, allowing you to play ball like never before.
• Next-Gen Controls – Right stick pitching, batting and responsive fielding bring your virtual baseball experience into the next generation. Improved two-step Precision Pitching™ controls, deeper Swing Stick™ batting and quick fielding responses round out your control of the game.
• Franchise Mode – Take charge of your franchise and enjoy the all-new MLB.com presentation style, a new level of CPU customization, multi-player functionality, and real player ambitions.
• Swing Stick™ Advanced – Now you can really Play Ball. Improved batting controls give batters the ability to influence hits with timing and aim. Improved hit distribution and variety deliver more hit types including spray shots, pulls, line drives and long bombs.
• Inside Edge 2009 – Inside Edge produces remarkably accurate player tendencies. With more than 6 years of scouting reports infused into the action on the field, Inside Edge ensures that players react to in-game situations as they would in real life.
• 2K HD/Real-Time Atmosphere – An all-new Virtual Director brings in-game broadcasts to life in real-time with smart camera placement, angles, and cuts. Real-Time Atmosphere adds to the presentation package by bringing nuances to life throughout the duration of a game. Lighting, umpires, ball boys and coaches all move and progress naturally and seamlessly for a true-to-life ballpark experience.
• New Broadcast Team – Gary Thorne provides the play by play calls alongside color analyst Steve Phillips giving a new perspective and more depth for a true-to-life, insightful
broadcast. With improved sound effects including real time crowd noise you'll feel like you're actually sitting in the park.
• Postseason Mode – New Playoffs Mode – Jump right into the post season without having to play through 162 regular season games. And if you win it all, experience a World Series® celebration in true championship style.
• Team 2K – An online competition lasting 10 weeks to compile a team of the best online players. Just play Ranked Quick Matches to compete and win prizes. * Void where prohibited. See 2Ksports.com/team2K for details.
• 2K Share – How do you play ball? Create, upload, and share rosters, sliders, and even players created with the all-new Player DNA feature. This also includes the newly added Reelmaker, where you can now direct your own digital video highlight reels and post them on 2KSports.com for all the world to watch and admire.

I'm pumped that they're leaving in the Swing Stick while adding the ability to aim.  I thought they were going to take a step backward and make swinging back into a button press.  I'm thrilled about the addition of Gary Thorne, but STEVE PHILLIPS???  REALLY???  I'm interested to hear what this "Living Rosters" thing is all about, and I want to see what the MLB.com presentation is like.  Looks like some good information, though.

I know they have the Living Rosters feature with NbA 2k9.  It's supposed to basically give daily roster updates to reflect how a player is on that day.  So if Aramis is going through a slump on May 14th, the roster update will have his stats down a little bit.  So basically you won't be waiting until the trade deadline for 2k to finally have the rosters with Andruw Jones as a 70 instead of a 94.

Wow.  That would be badass.  2K hasn't been known to support their products that much post-release, so we'll see how it works.  It would be cool, though.  Hell, I'd be happy if it just meant that they'd add in player photos and stuff for guys like Fukudome who weren't part of the MLBPA at the time of the release.

Quote from: 5laky on January 22, 2009, 06:06:41 PM
The way NBA 2k has integrated NBA.com in their Association (franchise) mode is really cool, actually. I think that will be fun.

Of course I'm still a long shot to even buy this game.

Quote from: Weebs on January 22, 2009, 06:21:09 PM

Quote from: 5laky on January 22, 2009, 06:06:41 PM
The way NBA 2k has integrated NBA.com in their Association (franchise) mode is really cool, actually. I think that will be fun.

Of course I'm still a long shot to even buy this game.

Does NBA 2k reflect trades and that sort of thing in franchise mode?  Or just player stats?

Quote from: 5laky on January 22, 2009, 11:14:25 PM

Quote from: Weebs on January 22, 2009, 06:21:09 PM

Quote from: 5laky on January 22, 2009, 06:06:41 PM
The way NBA 2k has integrated NBA.com in their Association (franchise) mode is really cool, actually. I think that will be fun.

Of course I'm still a long shot to even buy this game.

Does NBA 2k reflect trades and that sort of thing in franchise mode?  Or just player stats?

Does the game have trades? Is that what you're asking? I don't get the question.

Is there a giant mirror to reflect them?

Speak up son!

Quote from: Weebs on January 22, 2009, 11:22:53 PM

Quote from: 5laky on January 22, 2009, 11:14:25 PM

Quote from: Weebs on January 22, 2009, 06:21:09 PM

Quote from: 5laky on January 22, 2009, 06:06:41 PM
The way NBA 2k has integrated NBA.com in their Association (franchise) mode is really cool, actually. I think that will be fun.

Of course I'm still a long shot to even buy this game.

Does NBA 2k reflect trades and that sort of thing in franchise mode?  Or just player stats?

Does the game have trades? Is that what you're asking? I don't get the question.

Is there a giant mirror to reflect them?

Speak up son!

Sorry.  I meant in the franchise mode, will the rosters update trades for other teams?  Or are stats the only thing that get updated while you're playing a franchise?

Quote from: JD on January 23, 2009, 07:21:48 AM

Quote from: Weebs on January 22, 2009, 11:22:53 PM

Quote from: 5laky on January 22, 2009, 11:14:25 PM

Quote from: Weebs on January 22, 2009, 06:21:09 PM

Quote from: 5laky on January 22, 2009, 06:06:41 PM
The way NBA 2k has integrated NBA.com in their Association (franchise) mode is really cool, actually. I think that will be fun.

Of course I'm still a long shot to even buy this game.

Does NBA 2k reflect trades and that sort of thing in franchise mode?  Or just player stats?

Does the game have trades? Is that what you're asking? I don't get the question.

Is there a giant mirror to reflect them?

Speak up son!

Sorry.  I meant in the franchise mode, will the rosters update trades for other teams?  Or are stats the only thing that get updated while you're playing a franchise?

I'd think that once you started your own franchise mode, then the results of the franchise are independent of what's happening in real life. 

Quote from: JD on January 23, 2009, 07:21:48 AM

Quote from: Weebs on January 22, 2009, 11:22:53 PM

Quote from: 5laky on January 22, 2009, 11:14:25 PM

Quote from: Weebs on January 22, 2009, 06:21:09 PM

Quote from: 5laky on January 22, 2009, 06:06:41 PM
The way NBA 2k has integrated NBA.com in their Association (franchise) mode is really cool, actually. I think that will be fun.

Of course I'm still a long shot to even buy this game.

Does NBA 2k reflect trades and that sort of thing in franchise mode?  Or just player stats?

Does the game have trades? Is that what you're asking? I don't get the question.

Is there a giant mirror to reflect them?

Speak up son!

Sorry.  I meant in the franchise mode, will the rosters update trades for other teams?  Or are stats the only thing that get updated while you're playing a franchise?

I'd think that once you started your own franchise mode, then the results of the franchise are independent of what's happening in real life. 

Quote from: IrishYeti on January 23, 2009, 07:32:18 AM

Quote from: JD on January 23, 2009, 07:21:48 AM

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Quote from: Weebs on January 22, 2009, 06:21:09 PM

Quote from: 5laky on January 22, 2009, 06:06:41 PM
The way NBA 2k has integrated NBA.com in their Association (franchise) mode is really cool, actually. I think that will be fun.

Of course I'm still a long shot to even buy this game.

Does NBA 2k reflect trades and that sort of thing in franchise mode?  Or just player stats?

Does the game have trades? Is that what you're asking? I don't get the question.

Is there a giant mirror to reflect them?

Speak up son!

Sorry.  I meant in the franchise mode, will the rosters update trades for other teams?  Or are stats the only thing that get updated while you're playing a franchise?

I'd think that once you started your own franchise mode, then the results of the franchise are independent of what's happening in real life. 

This is the way it should be. If the rosters were to reflect actual happenings of the real season, then I *would* want to be on the same day on my season as they are in real life. As it panned out last year, I was at the All-Star break in May, so I would have been a little aggravated if it decided to "update" and change my roster I had already worked at fine tuning.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 23, 2009, 08:17:44 AM

Quote from: IrishYeti on January 23, 2009, 07:32:18 AM

Quote from: JD on January 23, 2009, 07:21:48 AM

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Quote from: 5laky on January 22, 2009, 11:14:25 PM

Quote from: Weebs on January 22, 2009, 06:21:09 PM

Quote from: 5laky on January 22, 2009, 06:06:41 PM
The way NBA 2k has integrated NBA.com in their Association (franchise) mode is really cool, actually. I think that will be fun.

Of course I'm still a long shot to even buy this game.

Does NBA 2k reflect trades and that sort of thing in franchise mode?  Or just player stats?

Does the game have trades? Is that what you're asking? I don't get the question.

Is there a giant mirror to reflect them?

Speak up son!

Sorry.  I meant in the franchise mode, will the rosters update trades for other teams?  Or are stats the only thing that get updated while you're playing a franchise?

I'd think that once you started your own franchise mode, then the results of the franchise are independent of what's happening in real life. 

This is the way it should be. If the rosters were to reflect actual happenings of the real season, then I *would* want to be on the same day on my season as they are in real life. As it panned out last year, I was at the All-Star break in May, so I would have been a little aggravated if it decided to "update" and change my roster I had already worked at fine tuning.

I'm so ready for a baseball game that I'm thinking of rebuying MLB 2K8 and starting a Fantasy Franchise.  I bet 2K8 can be had on the real cheap.

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Quote from: JD on January 23, 2009, 07:21:48 AM

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Quote from: 5laky on January 22, 2009, 06:06:41 PM
The way NBA 2k has integrated NBA.com in their Association (franchise) mode is really cool, actually. I think that will be fun.

Of course I'm still a long shot to even buy this game.

Does NBA 2k reflect trades and that sort of thing in franchise mode?  Or just player stats?

Does the game have trades? Is that what you're asking? I don't get the question.

Is there a giant mirror to reflect them?

Speak up son!

Sorry.  I meant in the franchise mode, will the rosters update trades for other teams?  Or are stats the only thing that get updated while you're playing a franchise?

I'd think that once you started your own franchise mode, then the results of the franchise are independent of what's happening in real life. 

This is the way it should be. If the rosters were to reflect actual happenings of the real season, then I *would* want to be on the same day on my season as they are in real life. As it panned out last year, I was at the All-Star break in May, so I would have been a little aggravated if it decided to "update" and change my roster I had already worked at fine tuning.

I'm so ready for a baseball game that I'm thinking of rebuying MLB 2K8 and starting a Fantasy Franchise.  I bet 2K8 can be had on the real cheap.

Don't do it.  I threw it in last night, thinking the same thing, and it's still pretty disappointing.

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Real-time cutaways are nice, but it's the nuts and bolts of pitching, batting, and fielding that will make the difference with MLB 2K9. We sampled all three, and while fielding remains virtually unchanged, the pitching and batting controls have received some subtle tweaks that improve both. The focus is still on the right stick, with each pitch in your pitcher's arsenal having a unique pattern to follow. Unlike in MLB 2K8, however, the timing is much easier. Last year's game featured an expanding and contracting onscreen ring in the strike zone, which determined both the effectiveness and the timing of your pitch. In MLB 2K9, the contracting ring has been removed, effectively removing the "timing" aspect of pitching and thus the rash of meatballs you would unwittingly throw in last year's game. Producers told us that pitching is still a challenge, but the game will focus more on the accuracy of your right stick movement than the timing of your release.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 27, 2009, 07:31:58 AM
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/sports/majorleaguebaseball2k9/news.html?sid=6203711&tag=topslot;title;4 (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/sports/majorleaguebaseball2k9/news.html?sid=6203711&tag=topslot;title;4)

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Real-time cutaways are nice, but it's the nuts and bolts of pitching, batting, and fielding that will make the difference with MLB 2K9. We sampled all three, and while fielding remains virtually unchanged, the pitching and batting controls have received some subtle tweaks that improve both. The focus is still on the right stick, with each pitch in your pitcher's arsenal having a unique pattern to follow. Unlike in MLB 2K8, however, the timing is much easier. Last year's game featured an expanding and contracting onscreen ring in the strike zone, which determined both the effectiveness and the timing of your pitch. In MLB 2K9, the contracting ring has been removed, effectively removing the "timing" aspect of pitching and thus the rash of meatballs you would unwittingly throw in last year's game. Producers told us that pitching is still a challenge, but the game will focus more on the accuracy of your right stick movement than the timing of your release.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 27, 2009, 10:22:23 AM
I'm a little bummed out by the first look.  It sounds like they dumbed down the hitting and the pitching for the people who bitched about it last year.  I thought the pitching was fantastic last year (other than the stupid meatballs).  If anything, I thought they should have made it harder.  And they removed the step influence from hitting?  Lame.

I'm taking it with a grain of salt, though, as GS doesn't know shit about sports games.  They suggest swinging when the ball crosses the MOUND.  Idiots.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 22, 2009, 06:51:58 PM
I'm pumped about the Living Rosters.

Quote from: 5laky on January 27, 2009, 12:33:53 PM
Wow, this game sounds beyond shitty.

Quote from: 5laky on January 27, 2009, 12:33:53 PM
Wow, this game sounds beyond shitty.

QuoteHere's what the mod at the 2k forums had to say

1) Default – Time your swing with the RSTICK by pressing BACK then UP. In this mode, the LSTICK influences your hit (Left=Left, Right=Right, Up=Flyball, Down=Groundball)

2) Zone Hitting - Time your swing with the RSTICK by pressing BACK then UP. In this mode the LSTICK moves the HITTING CURSOR that looks like a bat in order for you to hit the ball, you have to put the cursor in the same zone where the pitch is thrown. The zone hitting cursor also has a "sweet spot" where if the ball is lined up perfectly with that sweet spot, the player will get a boost to the hit.

3) Classic – Press A to Swing

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 27, 2009, 01:57:02 PM
DPD, but if these are really the hitting options, this could be quite awesome (from O.S. (http://www.operationsports.com/forums/2k-sports-major-league-baseball/291065-zone-hitting-step-hitting-influence-hitting-2.html#post2039124099)):

QuoteHere's what the mod at the 2k forums had to say

1) Default – Time your swing with the RSTICK by pressing BACK then UP. In this mode, the LSTICK influences your hit (Left=Left, Right=Right, Up=Flyball, Down=Groundball)

2) Zone Hitting - Time your swing with the RSTICK by pressing BACK then UP. In this mode the LSTICK moves the HITTING CURSOR that looks like a bat in order for you to hit the ball, you have to put the cursor in the same zone where the pitch is thrown. The zone hitting cursor also has a "sweet spot" where if the ball is lined up perfectly with that sweet spot, the player will get a boost to the hit.

3) Classic – Press A to Swing

Zone Hitting sounds fantastic and complicated (in a good way).

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 27, 2009, 02:16:00 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 27, 2009, 01:57:02 PM
DPD, but if these are really the hitting options, this could be quite awesome (from O.S. (http://www.operationsports.com/forums/2k-sports-major-league-baseball/291065-zone-hitting-step-hitting-influence-hitting-2.html#post2039124099)):

QuoteHere's what the mod at the 2k forums had to say

1) Default – Time your swing with the RSTICK by pressing BACK then UP. In this mode, the LSTICK influences your hit (Left=Left, Right=Right, Up=Flyball, Down=Groundball)

2) Zone Hitting - Time your swing with the RSTICK by pressing BACK then UP. In this mode the LSTICK moves the HITTING CURSOR that looks like a bat in order for you to hit the ball, you have to put the cursor in the same zone where the pitch is thrown. The zone hitting cursor also has a "sweet spot" where if the ball is lined up perfectly with that sweet spot, the player will get a boost to the hit.

3) Classic – Press A to Swing

Zone Hitting sounds fantastic and complicated (in a good way).

It sounds like the All Star Baseball swing mechanic.

Quote from: Timmy B on January 27, 2009, 04:10:58 PM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 27, 2009, 02:16:00 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 27, 2009, 01:57:02 PM
DPD, but if these are really the hitting options, this could be quite awesome (from O.S. (http://www.operationsports.com/forums/2k-sports-major-league-baseball/291065-zone-hitting-step-hitting-influence-hitting-2.html#post2039124099)):

QuoteHere's what the mod at the 2k forums had to say

1) Default – Time your swing with the RSTICK by pressing BACK then UP. In this mode, the LSTICK influences your hit (Left=Left, Right=Right, Up=Flyball, Down=Groundball)

2) Zone Hitting - Time your swing with the RSTICK by pressing BACK then UP. In this mode the LSTICK moves the HITTING CURSOR that looks like a bat in order for you to hit the ball, you have to put the cursor in the same zone where the pitch is thrown. The zone hitting cursor also has a "sweet spot" where if the ball is lined up perfectly with that sweet spot, the player will get a boost to the hit.

3) Classic – Press A to Swing

Zone Hitting sounds fantastic and complicated (in a good way).

It sounds like the All Star Baseball swing mechanic.

It does.

And anything reminiscent of All-Star Baseball is, well, not good.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 27, 2009, 04:43:59 PM

Quote from: Timmy B on January 27, 2009, 04:10:58 PM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 27, 2009, 02:16:00 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 27, 2009, 01:57:02 PM
DPD, but if these are really the hitting options, this could be quite awesome (from O.S. (http://www.operationsports.com/forums/2k-sports-major-league-baseball/291065-zone-hitting-step-hitting-influence-hitting-2.html#post2039124099)):

QuoteHere's what the mod at the 2k forums had to say

1) Default – Time your swing with the RSTICK by pressing BACK then UP. In this mode, the LSTICK influences your hit (Left=Left, Right=Right, Up=Flyball, Down=Groundball)

2) Zone Hitting - Time your swing with the RSTICK by pressing BACK then UP. In this mode the LSTICK moves the HITTING CURSOR that looks like a bat in order for you to hit the ball, you have to put the cursor in the same zone where the pitch is thrown. The zone hitting cursor also has a "sweet spot" where if the ball is lined up perfectly with that sweet spot, the player will get a boost to the hit.

3) Classic – Press A to Swing

Zone Hitting sounds fantastic and complicated (in a good way).

It sounds like the All Star Baseball swing mechanic.

It does.

And anything reminiscent of All-Star Baseball is, well, not good.

Or it could be awesome, like this (http://www.operationsports.com/forums/2k-sports-major-league-baseball/291065-zone-hitting-step-hitting-influence-hitting-3.html#post2039124227).

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 27, 2009, 01:57:02 PM
DPD, but if these are really the hitting options, this could be quite awesome (from O.S. (http://www.operationsports.com/forums/2k-sports-major-league-baseball/291065-zone-hitting-step-hitting-influence-hitting-2.html#post2039124099)):

QuoteHere's what the mod at the 2k forums had to say

1) Default – Time your swing with the RSTICK by pressing BACK then UP. In this mode, the LSTICK influences your hit (Left=Left, Right=Right, Up=Flyball, Down=Groundball)

2) Zone Hitting - Time your swing with the RSTICK by pressing BACK then UP. In this mode the LSTICK moves the HITTING CURSOR that looks like a bat in order for you to hit the ball, you have to put the cursor in the same zone where the pitch is thrown. The zone hitting cursor also has a "sweet spot" where if the ball is lined up perfectly with that sweet spot, the player will get a boost to the hit.

3) Classic – Press A to Swing

Zone Hitting sounds fantastic and complicated (in a good way).

Quote from: BC on January 27, 2009, 06:31:07 PM
2K's "MLB Front Office Manager" is out today. I don't plan on getting it immediately, maybe when it inevitably comes a 10 or 15 dollar buy. In the fall, I bought the combo of Madden and NFL Head Coach and ended up playing Head Coach much more. In fact, I just popped Head Coach back in the Xbox about two weeks ago (I usually rotate three or four games every couple weeks to not just fall in a rut of playing one game all the time) and am enjoying it immensely. Anyway, I'll probably end up getting 2K9 when it comes out and wait on getting Front Office Manager, yet I get the feeling from the previews that I'll end up enjoying Front Office Manager more.

Although this screenshot of Wrigley from Front Office Manager did piss me off. What the heck?

(http://www.2ksports.com/media/images/screens/CUBSWrigleyField1.jpg)

• It sounds like they added MVP 2005's "Batter's Eye" feature where you can tell the difference between fastball/changeup/breaking ball by a flash of color when the pitch is delivered.
• Even though they "dumbed down" the pitching, it sounds like you can toggle an option to make it just like last year (excellent).
• The batting camera, which I thought was one of the reasons it was so difficult to determine balls and strikes, has been lowered.
• Player ambition, like the NBA 2K series, has been incorporated.
• The menu system is going to look like MLB.com (hopefully less of an eyesore, though).

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 27, 2009, 08:52:24 PM
After reading IGN's hands-on (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/948/948394p1.html), I don't know what to think.  I'm very intrigued.  Some great stuff in there:

• It sounds like they added MVP 2005's "Batter's Eye" feature where you can tell the difference between fastball/changeup/breaking ball by a flash of color when the pitch is delivered.
• Even though they "dumbed down" the pitching, it sounds like you can toggle an option to make it just like last year (excellent).
• The batting camera, which I thought was one of the reasons it was so difficult to determine balls and strikes, has been lowered.
• Player ambition, like the NBA 2K series, has been incorporated.
• The menu system is going to look like MLB.com (hopefully less of an eyesore, though).

I'm sure I'm getting this on release day regardless, but if they iron out the framerate, this might actually be the first really solid baseball title on the 360.

Quote from: IrishYeti on January 27, 2009, 08:21:17 PM

Quote from: BC on January 27, 2009, 06:31:07 PM
2K's "MLB Front Office Manager" is out today. I don't plan on getting it immediately, maybe when it inevitably comes a 10 or 15 dollar buy. In the fall, I bought the combo of Madden and NFL Head Coach and ended up playing Head Coach much more. In fact, I just popped Head Coach back in the Xbox about two weeks ago (I usually rotate three or four games every couple weeks to not just fall in a rut of playing one game all the time) and am enjoying it immensely. Anyway, I'll probably end up getting 2K9 when it comes out and wait on getting Front Office Manager, yet I get the feeling from the previews that I'll end up enjoying Front Office Manager more.

Although this screenshot of Wrigley from Front Office Manager did piss me off. What the heck?

(http://www.2ksports.com/media/images/screens/CUBSWrigleyField1.jpg)

Yellon was removed for disciplinary reasons.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 28, 2009, 07:26:19 AM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 27, 2009, 08:52:24 PM
After reading IGN's hands-on (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/948/948394p1.html), I don't know what to think.  I'm very intrigued.  Some great stuff in there:

• It sounds like they added MVP 2005's "Batter's Eye" feature where you can tell the difference between fastball/changeup/breaking ball by a flash of color when the pitch is delivered.
• Even though they "dumbed down" the pitching, it sounds like you can toggle an option to make it just like last year (excellent).
• The batting camera, which I thought was one of the reasons it was so difficult to determine balls and strikes, has been lowered.
• Player ambition, like the NBA 2K series, has been incorporated.
• The menu system is going to look like MLB.com (hopefully less of an eyesore, though).

I'm sure I'm getting this on release day regardless, but if they iron out the framerate, this might actually be the first really solid baseball title on the 360.

That's what we said before 2K8's release.  We were disappointed and the game needed a patch.  We're saying that it'll be solid this year and it might, but it will undoubtedly be inferior to The Show on PS3.

I hate that they dumbed down the pitching, but it seems that you can add the third step in the pitching interface through the settings menus, which is good.  There's also saving in the middle of games (EAT IT WEEBS), which I love.  I'm sure I'll be getting the game regardless as I love baseball games, but I really wish The Show was multiplatform.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 28, 2009, 07:26:19 AM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 27, 2009, 08:52:24 PM
After reading IGN's hands-on (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/948/948394p1.html), I don't know what to think.  I'm very intrigued.  Some great stuff in there:

• It sounds like they added MVP 2005's "Batter's Eye" feature where you can tell the difference between fastball/changeup/breaking ball by a flash of color when the pitch is delivered.
• Even though they "dumbed down" the pitching, it sounds like you can toggle an option to make it just like last year (excellent).
• The batting camera, which I thought was one of the reasons it was so difficult to determine balls and strikes, has been lowered.
• Player ambition, like the NBA 2K series, has been incorporated.
• The menu system is going to look like MLB.com (hopefully less of an eyesore, though).

I'm sure I'm getting this on release day regardless, but if they iron out the framerate, this might actually be the first really solid baseball title on the 360.

That's what we said before 2K8's release.  We were disappointed and the game needed a patch.  We're saying that it'll be solid this year and it might, but it will undoubtedly be inferior to The Show on PS3.

I hate that they dumbed down the pitching, but it seems that you can add the third step in the pitching interface through the settings menus, which is good.  There's also saving in the middle of games (EAT IT WEEBS), which I love.  I'm sure I'll be getting the game regardless as I love baseball games, but I really wish The Show was multiplatform.

QuoteJust so you guys know, optimization is at the tail end of the to-do list. It only makes sense to get everything into the game and THEN do FPS optimization. Showing the game to IGN, Gamespot, et al was a formality of showing off our focus and direction with the game this year. In no way does it represent the final product.

When you pick this game up off the shelves, it will be running 60. Wait a month and you'll see for yourselves.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 28, 2009, 09:46:50 AM
What I REALLY wish is that MS would stop sitting on the High Heat engine and hire some developers to update that game.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 28, 2009, 10:10:12 AM
TPD.  One of the producers of the NBA 2K series tries to calm everyone down about the framerate (http://www.operationsports.com/forums/2k-sports-major-league-baseball/291213-major-league-baseball-2k9-hands-preview-gamespy-2.html#post2039126816).

QuoteJust so you guys know, optimization is at the tail end of the to-do list. It only makes sense to get everything into the game and THEN do FPS optimization. Showing the game to IGN, Gamespot, et al was a formality of showing off our focus and direction with the game this year. In no way does it represent the final product.

When you pick this game up off the shelves, it will be running 60. Wait a month and you'll see for yourselves.

His explanation makes sense.  I sure hope he's right.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 28, 2009, 11:03:29 AM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 28, 2009, 10:10:12 AM
TPD.  One of the producers of the NBA 2K series tries to calm everyone down about the framerate (http://www.operationsports.com/forums/2k-sports-major-league-baseball/291213-major-league-baseball-2k9-hands-preview-gamespy-2.html#post2039126816).

QuoteJust so you guys know, optimization is at the tail end of the to-do list. It only makes sense to get everything into the game and THEN do FPS optimization. Showing the game to IGN, Gamespot, et al was a formality of showing off our focus and direction with the game this year. In no way does it represent the final product.

When you pick this game up off the shelves, it will be running 60. Wait a month and you'll see for yourselves.

His explanation makes sense.  I sure hope he's right.

Did they not say the same things last year?

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 28, 2009, 11:45:29 AM
Kush sucks ass as a developer.  VC doesn't.

Quote from: Timmy B on January 28, 2009, 12:31:17 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 28, 2009, 11:45:29 AM
Kush sucks ass as a developer.  VC doesn't.

Kush was just a Visual Concepts subsidiary that Take-Two acquired when it bought VC from Sega. 2K shut down Kush last spring, and the MLB2K personnel was moved back into the Visual Concepts offices. It's largely the same development team working on the game this year -- we're not looking at a Treyarch / Infinity Ward Call of Duty situation.

Quote from: Timmy B on January 28, 2009, 12:31:17 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 28, 2009, 11:45:29 AM
Kush sucks ass as a developer.  VC doesn't.

Kush was just a Visual Concepts subsidiary that Take-Two acquired when it bought VC from Sega. 2K shut down Kush last spring, and the MLB2K personnel was moved back into the Visual Concepts offices. It's largely the same development team working on the game this year -- we're not looking at a Treyarch / Infinity Ward Call of Duty situation.

Quote from: Andy on January 28, 2009, 04:37:52 PM
I honestly believe that NBA2K9 is the bestest sports game I've ever played.  If MLB2K9 is half that good it'll be improvement over the last two years.

Quote from: 5laky on January 28, 2009, 04:46:32 PM

Quote from: Andy on January 28, 2009, 04:37:52 PM
I honestly believe that NBA2K9 is the bestest sports game I've ever played.  If MLB2K9 is half that good it'll be improvement over the last two years.

NBA 2k9 is excellent. I just don't see how they can turn MLB around this fast. Me of little faith.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 28, 2009, 04:52:40 PM

Quote from: 5laky on January 28, 2009, 04:46:32 PM

Quote from: Andy on January 28, 2009, 04:37:52 PM
I honestly believe that NBA2K9 is the bestest sports game I've ever played.  If MLB2K9 is half that good it'll be improvement over the last two years.

NBA 2k9 is excellent. I just don't see how they can turn MLB around this fast. Me of little faith.

To be honest, I don't think 2K8 needed that much turning around.  I thought pitching and fielding were great.  Hitting and presentation were horrible.  It looks like they've totally revamped both.  I also want to point out that VC developed NFL 2K5, which was BY FAR the best football game I've ever played.   VC may not be the best developer for this series, but they're the right developer.  I'm going with cautious optimism for this year's installment.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 29, 2009, 02:21:11 PM
Team Xbox has a much more positive preview (http://previews.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/2199/Major-League-Baseball-2K9/p1/) (surprise, surprise) of Tonker's game.

I like the idea of the broadcast booth interrupting themselves to call a play, and then returning to their previous topic.

Quote from: Weebs on January 29, 2009, 05:33:26 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 29, 2009, 02:21:11 PM
Team Xbox has a much more positive preview (http://previews.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/2199/Major-League-Baseball-2K9/p1/) (surprise, surprise) of Tonker's game.

I like the idea of the broadcast booth interrupting themselves to call a play, and then returning to their previous topic.

I hope TeamXbox wasn't obligated to say any of that stuff.  If not, this game definitely has some promise.  I'd say the framerate and lack of variety for hits were my two biggest complains from last year's game, and both seem to be addressed.  Hopefully they'll release a demo that isn't as unbelievably horrible as 2k8's demo was.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 29, 2009, 06:09:03 PM

Quote from: Weebs on January 29, 2009, 05:33:26 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 29, 2009, 02:21:11 PM
Team Xbox has a much more positive preview (http://previews.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/2199/Major-League-Baseball-2K9/p1/) (surprise, surprise) of Tonker's game.

I like the idea of the broadcast booth interrupting themselves to call a play, and then returning to their previous topic.

I hope TeamXbox wasn't obligated to say any of that stuff.  If not, this game definitely has some promise.  I'd say the framerate and lack of variety for hits were my two biggest complains from last year's game, and both seem to be addressed.  Hopefully they'll release a demo that isn't as unbelievably horrible as 2k8's demo was.

Someone on O.S. pointed out that TeamXbox shouldn't be obligated, since they're owned by IGN, and aren't having their salaries paid by anyone connected to MS.  I'm going to remain hopeful.  Then, I'll run out like an idiot on release day and buy it so you jerks don't have to.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 29, 2009, 06:09:03 PM

Quote from: Weebs on January 29, 2009, 05:33:26 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 29, 2009, 02:21:11 PM
Team Xbox has a much more positive preview (http://previews.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/2199/Major-League-Baseball-2K9/p1/) (surprise, surprise) of Tonker's game.

I like the idea of the broadcast booth interrupting themselves to call a play, and then returning to their previous topic.

I hope TeamXbox wasn't obligated to say any of that stuff.  If not, this game definitely has some promise.  I'd say the framerate and lack of variety for hits were my two biggest complains from last year's game, and both seem to be addressed.  Hopefully they'll release a demo that isn't as unbelievably horrible as 2k8's demo was.

Someone on O.S. pointed out that TeamXbox shouldn't be obligated, since they're owned by IGN, and aren't having their salaries paid by anyone connected to MS.  I'm going to remain hopeful.  Then, I'll run out like an idiot on release day and buy it so you jerks don't have to.

Quote from: Weebs on January 29, 2009, 06:55:45 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 29, 2009, 06:09:03 PM

Quote from: Weebs on January 29, 2009, 05:33:26 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 29, 2009, 02:21:11 PM
Team Xbox has a much more positive preview (http://previews.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/2199/Major-League-Baseball-2K9/p1/) (surprise, surprise) of Tonker's game.

I like the idea of the broadcast booth interrupting themselves to call a play, and then returning to their previous topic.

I hope TeamXbox wasn't obligated to say any of that stuff.  If not, this game definitely has some promise.  I'd say the framerate and lack of variety for hits were my two biggest complains from last year's game, and both seem to be addressed.  Hopefully they'll release a demo that isn't as unbelievably horrible as 2k8's demo was.

Someone on O.S. pointed out that TeamXbox shouldn't be obligated, since they're owned by IGN, and aren't having their salaries paid by anyone connected to MS.  I'm going to remain hopeful.  Then, I'll run out like an idiot on release day and buy it so you jerks don't have to.

Right, but wasn't IGN also the company that had an early review of some game (I want to say it was one released during the fall) and gave it ridiculously high scores because of it?  It wasn't a Microsoft title, either.  I don't know, I think pretty much all previews of games are overly-positive, and they never actually get into criticism until review day, but I'll just keep convincing myself this was legitimate so I can be extremely disappointed on release day.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 30, 2009, 07:24:40 AM

Quote from: Weebs on January 29, 2009, 06:55:45 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 29, 2009, 06:09:03 PM

Quote from: Weebs on January 29, 2009, 05:33:26 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 29, 2009, 02:21:11 PM
Team Xbox has a much more positive preview (http://previews.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/2199/Major-League-Baseball-2K9/p1/) (surprise, surprise) of Tonker's game.

I like the idea of the broadcast booth interrupting themselves to call a play, and then returning to their previous topic.

I hope TeamXbox wasn't obligated to say any of that stuff.  If not, this game definitely has some promise.  I'd say the framerate and lack of variety for hits were my two biggest complains from last year's game, and both seem to be addressed.  Hopefully they'll release a demo that isn't as unbelievably horrible as 2k8's demo was.

That might have been for Kane and Lynch.  I remember IGN and TeamXBOX and GameSpot all giving it good previews, then when it was released it got 6's and 7's in it's reviews from them.  I bought the game on the cheap way after release and sort of enjoyed it, but the sites played it up and the release wasn't as polished as they figured it would be.

Someone on O.S. pointed out that TeamXbox shouldn't be obligated, since they're owned by IGN, and aren't having their salaries paid by anyone connected to MS.  I'm going to remain hopeful.  Then, I'll run out like an idiot on release day and buy it so you jerks don't have to.

Right, but wasn't IGN also the company that had an early review of some game (I want to say it was one released during the fall) and gave it ridiculously high scores because of it?  It wasn't a Microsoft title, either.  I don't know, I think pretty much all previews of games are overly-positive, and they never actually get into criticism until review day, but I'll just keep convincing myself this was legitimate so I can be extremely disappointed on release day.

Quote from: Weebs on January 29, 2009, 06:55:45 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 29, 2009, 06:09:03 PM

Quote from: Weebs on January 29, 2009, 05:33:26 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 29, 2009, 02:21:11 PM
Team Xbox has a much more positive preview (http://previews.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/2199/Major-League-Baseball-2K9/p1/) (surprise, surprise) of Tonker's game.

I like the idea of the broadcast booth interrupting themselves to call a play, and then returning to their previous topic.

I hope TeamXbox wasn't obligated to say any of that stuff.  If not, this game definitely has some promise.  I'd say the framerate and lack of variety for hits were my two biggest complains from last year's game, and both seem to be addressed.  Hopefully they'll release a demo that isn't as unbelievably horrible as 2k8's demo was.

Someone on O.S. pointed out that TeamXbox shouldn't be obligated, since they're owned by IGN, and aren't having their salaries paid by anyone connected to MS.  I'm going to remain hopeful.  Then, I'll run out like an idiot on release day and buy it so you jerks don't have to.

Right, but wasn't IGN also the company that had an early review of some game (I want to say it was one released during the fall) and gave it ridiculously high scores because of it?  It wasn't a Microsoft title, either.

Quote from: Timmy B on January 30, 2009, 10:52:55 AM

Quote from: Weebs on January 29, 2009, 06:55:45 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 29, 2009, 06:09:03 PM

Quote from: Weebs on January 29, 2009, 05:33:26 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 29, 2009, 02:21:11 PM
Team Xbox has a much more positive preview (http://previews.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/2199/Major-League-Baseball-2K9/p1/) (surprise, surprise) of Tonker's game.

I like the idea of the broadcast booth interrupting themselves to call a play, and then returning to their previous topic.

I hope TeamXbox wasn't obligated to say any of that stuff.  If not, this game definitely has some promise.  I'd say the framerate and lack of variety for hits were my two biggest complains from last year's game, and both seem to be addressed.  Hopefully they'll release a demo that isn't as unbelievably horrible as 2k8's demo was.

Someone on O.S. pointed out that TeamXbox shouldn't be obligated, since they're owned by IGN, and aren't having their salaries paid by anyone connected to MS.  I'm going to remain hopeful.  Then, I'll run out like an idiot on release day and buy it so you jerks don't have to.

Right, but wasn't IGN also the company that had an early review of some game (I want to say it was one released during the fall) and gave it ridiculously high scores because of it?  It wasn't a Microsoft title, either.

For the last several years, even before IGN was acquired by News Corporation three or four years ago, the site's review scores have been for sale. It's not rare to see an IGN review that goes on for four pages and complaining about nearly every aspect of a game, but for the final score to be 9+. It's a problem across the industry (although you didn't see it with 1UP -- which is probably why EGM has been shut down, and 1UP has been completely gutted).

QuoteObviously you guys see that it's up. I wanted to make two comments to quell any doubts.

1) The gameplay footage is actual footage from the game. Let me be clear about thatthat. The NBA one's were exactly the same, it was pulled from footage. We are not using CGI.

2) Please view the HD version of the film (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/spor...r-trailer?hd=1). The one initially posted is kinda grainy. Until we are able to post it in house, that's what the thought will be but of course hit the HD link. Please discuss, I can answer some questions about it here.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 30, 2009, 05:05:39 PM
DPD, but that's apparently in-game footage (http://www.operationsports.com/forums/2k-sports-major-league-baseball/291523-first-2k9-gameplay-footage-coming-tomorrow-courtesy-gamespot-12.html#post2039134567).

QuoteObviously you guys see that it's up. I wanted to make two comments to quell any doubts.

1) The gameplay footage is actual footage from the game. Let me be clear about thatthat. The NBA one's were exactly the same, it was pulled from footage. We are not using CGI.

2) Please view the HD version of the film (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/spor...r-trailer?hd=1). The one initially posted is kinda grainy. Until we are able to post it in house, that's what the thought will be but of course hit the HD link. Please discuss, I can answer some questions about it here.

Quoteonly thing i dont like is the clothes , specially the pants..they look a bit too stiff for me

Quote from: 5laky on January 30, 2009, 06:37:25 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 30, 2009, 05:05:39 PM
DPD, but that's apparently in-game footage (http://www.operationsports.com/forums/2k-sports-major-league-baseball/291523-first-2k9-gameplay-footage-coming-tomorrow-courtesy-gamespot-12.html#post2039134567).

QuoteObviously you guys see that it's up. I wanted to make two comments to quell any doubts.

1) The gameplay footage is actual footage from the game. Let me be clear about thatthat. The NBA one's were exactly the same, it was pulled from footage. We are not using CGI.

2) Please view the HD version of the film (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/spor...r-trailer?hd=1). The one initially posted is kinda grainy. Until we are able to post it in house, that's what the thought will be but of course hit the HD link. Please discuss, I can answer some questions about it here.

A quote from one of the people on that site:

Quoteonly thing i dont like is the clothes , specially the pants..they look a bit too stiff for me

I hate you for making me read it.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 30, 2009, 05:05:39 PM
DPD, but that's apparently in-game footage (http://www.operationsports.com/forums/2k-sports-major-league-baseball/291523-first-2k9-gameplay-footage-coming-tomorrow-courtesy-gamespot-12.html#post2039134567).

QuoteObviously you guys see that it's up. I wanted to make two comments to quell any doubts.

1) The gameplay footage is actual footage from the game. Let me be clear about thatthat. The NBA one's were exactly the same, it was pulled from footage. We are not using CGI.

2) Please view the HD version of the film (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/spor...r-trailer?hd=1). The one initially posted is kinda grainy. Until we are able to post it in house, that's what the thought will be but of course hit the HD link. Please discuss, I can answer some questions about it here.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 03, 2009, 03:37:52 PM
Is it March 2, yet?

Quote from: Kermit, B. on January 29, 2009, 02:21:11 PM
Team Xbox has a much more positive preview (http://previews.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/2199/Major-League-Baseball-2K9/p1/) (surprise, surprise) of Tonker's game.

I like the idea of the broadcast booth interrupting themselves to call a play, and then returning to their previous topic.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 05, 2009, 05:50:01 PM
The second teaser (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=52916197126) takes us inside beautiful Tropicana Field.  It looks very pretty.  Sort of gives you the feel of the "living ballpark" thing.

Quote
Ahmad Adawiya at 5:24pm February 5

Yeah it looks great can't wait to play it! I agree with Jim it's about time there's new commentators! I mean Morgan and Miller are good in real life but they sound stupid in the game.

Quote from: ChuckD on February 05, 2009, 09:34:03 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 05, 2009, 05:50:01 PM
The second teaser (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=52916197126) takes us inside beautiful Tropicana Field.  It looks very pretty.  Sort of gives you the feel of the "living ballpark" thing.

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Ahmad Adawiya at 5:24pm February 5

Yeah it looks great can't wait to play it! I agree with Jim it's about time there's new commentators! I mean Morgan and Miller are good in real life but they sound stupid in the game.

Quote from: IrishYeti on February 05, 2009, 09:42:37 PM

Quote from: ChuckD on February 05, 2009, 09:34:03 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 05, 2009, 05:50:01 PM
The second teaser (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=52916197126) takes us inside beautiful Tropicana Field.  It looks very pretty.  Sort of gives you the feel of the "living ballpark" thing.

Quote
Ahmad Adawiya at 5:24pm February 5

Yeah it looks great can't wait to play it! I agree with Jim it's about time there's new commentators! I mean Morgan and Miller are good in real life but they sound stupid in the game.

Although Morgan and Miller are douches the announcing sounds better. They sound less like they are reciting from a script and more like they are reacting to the actions in the game. This might also be doctored due to it being a video, but still. It looks pretty good.

Quote from: ChuckD on February 05, 2009, 09:48:00 PM

Quote from: IrishYeti on February 05, 2009, 09:42:37 PM

Quote from: ChuckD on February 05, 2009, 09:34:03 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 05, 2009, 05:50:01 PM
The second teaser (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=52916197126) takes us inside beautiful Tropicana Field.  It looks very pretty.  Sort of gives you the feel of the "living ballpark" thing.

Quote
Ahmad Adawiya at 5:24pm February 5

Yeah it looks great can't wait to play it! I agree with Jim it's about time there's new commentators! I mean Morgan and Miller are good in real life but they sound stupid in the game.

Although Morgan and Miller are douches the announcing sounds better. They sound less like they are reciting from a script and more like they are reacting to the actions in the game. This might also be doctored due to it being a video, but still. It looks pretty good.

Um, I agree (?)  I just posted it because of Ahmad's implication that Morgan not only doesn't sound stupid all the time, but that he actually sounds good in real life.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 06, 2009, 07:29:16 AM
Yeti, I read that MLB The Show has it's demo out today for PS3.  Put that TAILWINDED INTEREST-FREE LOAN PAYBACK to good use, son.  Let us know what you think.

Quote from: IrishYeti on February 06, 2009, 07:58:11 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 06, 2009, 07:29:16 AM
Yeti, I read that MLB The Show has it's demo out today for PS3.  Put that TAILWINDED INTEREST-FREE LOAN PAYBACK to good use, son.  Let us know what you think.

So, I can download this from Sony, I assume? (I'm still new to this PS3 thing.)

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 06, 2009, 04:48:23 PM
I think ESPN sucks at compressing pictures, so they don't look great, but they have some [urlhttp://sports.espn.go.com/videogames/features/games/gallery?id=3886874&game=4]new screens[/url] up.  I am in love with the new behind-the-pitcher cam.

(http://a.espncdn.com/media/videogames/photo/2009/0205/mlb2k9_gallery_4_800x450.jpg)

(http://a.espncdn.com/media/videogames/photo/2009/0205/mlb2k9_gallery_6_800x450.jpg)

Quote from: IrishYeti on February 06, 2009, 05:00:04 PM
There isn't some douche waving at the camera so this can't be tooo realistic of a crowd.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 08, 2009, 08:05:07 AM
For some reason, I've been infatuated with MLB 09 The Show even though I don't own a PS3.  PastaPadre has a first inning video of the game's demo here:  (http://www.pastapadre.com/6202/mlb-09-the-show-demo-video (http://www.pastapadre.com/6202/mlb-09-the-show-demo-video)).  The video isn't of great visual quality, but it runs smooth and you can tell just how good of a game The Show is.

Solid gameplay make baseball games good at the core, but little nuances make them a unique experience.  Like, at about the 2:15 mark when Ryan Howard is pulled off the bag for Hamels' pick off.  Howard then takes a few steps away from first and the runner, then tosses Hamels the ball back.  It's all fluid and "natural" feeling.

Longoria hits a bomb at 3:40 and you could tell as soon as he hit it that it was gone.  The subsequent replay was outstanding.

The pitch interface looked really interesting.  It's basically a three button meter, sort of like in a golf game.  It looks like it makes it harder for you to hit your spots.  REALISM!

Rollins' foul ball at 7:00 was a nice animation and so was Howard's HR finish.

The lighting, the batting stances, the motions of the players and the stadiums all look top-knotch.  And, wow the commentary is really good.  I'm jealous.

Quote from: Slakee on February 09, 2009, 05:09:22 AM
Jesus - if you have a PS3 it shouldn't even be a question of The Show or 2k9. I don't think anyone expects 2K9 to be anywhere near as good as the The Show - we just don't want to shell out out the price of a round trip ticket to somewhere warm for a new PS3.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 10, 2009, 11:44:27 AM
The 2K9 Developer Diary (http://www.operationsports.com/feature.php?id=823) is up at O.S.  They're sure saying all the right things.  Hit Influence sounds exactly like MVP 2005's hitting system, but I'm very intrigued by Zone Hitting.  I haven't played a cursor-based hitting game since All-Star Baseball.  Baserunning sounds much improved.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 10, 2009, 11:44:27 AM
I haven't played a cursor-based hitting game since All-Star Baseball.

Quote from: Pre on February 10, 2009, 01:50:59 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 10, 2009, 11:44:27 AM
I haven't played a cursor-based hitting game since All-Star Baseball.

I love cursor based hitting systems sooooooooo much.  If they just stole the ASB system (maybe with
a slider to change the average cursor zone sizes so as you get better you can make it harder to hit)
I would be happy.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 10, 2009, 02:18:48 PM

Quote from: Pre on February 10, 2009, 01:50:59 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 10, 2009, 11:44:27 AM
I haven't played a cursor-based hitting game since All-Star Baseball.

I love cursor based hitting systems sooooooooo much.  If they just stole the ASB system (maybe with
a slider to change the average cursor zone sizes so as you get better you can make it harder to hit)
I would be happy.

I can't wait to see how it plays.  It sounds like if you get the cursor in the right zone, you're going to at least make contact.  If you get it in the right zone AND in the sweet spot, you're going to make great contact.  Very intriguing.

Quote from: TDubbs on February 10, 2009, 02:29:07 PM
Is this game even out yet?  Do you guys sit here and talk about games that aren't even available to be played?

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 10, 2009, 03:37:22 PM

Quote from: TDubbs on February 10, 2009, 02:29:07 PM
Is this game even out yet?  Do you guys sit here and talk about games that aren't even available to be played?

Yeah, isn't that weird?  We say things like, "It's going to be so good," and "I would rub my wienis all over this game."

It's not annoying and unfunny at all.

Quote from: TDubbs on February 10, 2009, 03:44:57 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 10, 2009, 03:37:22 PM

Quote from: TDubbs on February 10, 2009, 02:29:07 PM
Is this game even out yet?  Do you guys sit here and talk about games that aren't even available to be played?

Yeah, isn't that weird?  We say things like, "It's going to be so good," and "I would rub my wienis all over this game."

It's not annoying and unfunny at all.

10 pages of non-annoying and non-unfunny posts seems pretty un-nerdy to me.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 10, 2009, 11:44:27 AM
The 2K9 Developer Diary (http://www.operationsports.com/feature.php?id=823) is up at O.S.  They're sure saying all the right things.  Hit Influence sounds exactly like MVP 2005's hitting system, but I'm very intrigued by Zone Hitting.  I haven't played a cursor-based hitting game since All-Star Baseball.  Baserunning sounds much improved.

Quote from: ChuckD on February 10, 2009, 08:45:10 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 10, 2009, 11:44:27 AM
The 2K9 Developer Diary (http://www.operationsports.com/feature.php?id=823) is up at O.S.  They're sure saying all the right things.  Hit Influence sounds exactly like MVP 2005's hitting system, but I'm very intrigued by Zone Hitting.  I haven't played a cursor-based hitting game since All-Star Baseball.  Baserunning sounds much improved.

Does that mean the ball is going to flash a different color to indicate the type of pitch?

Quote from: ChuckD on February 10, 2009, 08:45:10 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 10, 2009, 11:44:27 AM
The 2K9 Developer Diary (http://www.operationsports.com/feature.php?id=823) is up at O.S.  They're sure saying all the right things.  Hit Influence sounds exactly like MVP 2005's hitting system, but I'm very intrigued by Zone Hitting.  I haven't played a cursor-based hitting game since All-Star Baseball.  Baserunning sounds much improved.

Does that mean the ball is going to flash a different color to indicate the type of pitch?

Quote from: Tonker on February 11, 2009, 08:13:29 AM

Quote from: ChuckD on February 10, 2009, 08:45:10 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 10, 2009, 11:44:27 AM
The 2K9 Developer Diary (http://www.operationsports.com/feature.php?id=823) is up at O.S.  They're sure saying all the right things.  Hit Influence sounds exactly like MVP 2005's hitting system, but I'm very intrigued by Zone Hitting.  I haven't played a cursor-based hitting game since All-Star Baseball.  Baserunning sounds much improved.

Does that mean the ball is going to flash a different color to indicate the type of pitch?

Which game was that?  I quite liked it, actually - my pitch recognition skills are legendarily poor.  Seeing the ball flash red used to at least save the the embarrassment of being all the way through my swing before that curve ball had even got to the plate.

Quote from: Tonker on February 11, 2009, 08:13:29 AM

Quote from: ChuckD on February 10, 2009, 08:45:10 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 10, 2009, 11:44:27 AM
The 2K9 Developer Diary (http://www.operationsports.com/feature.php?id=823) is up at O.S.  They're sure saying all the right things.  Hit Influence sounds exactly like MVP 2005's hitting system, but I'm very intrigued by Zone Hitting.  I haven't played a cursor-based hitting game since All-Star Baseball.  Baserunning sounds much improved.

Does that mean the ball is going to flash a different color to indicate the type of pitch?

Which game was that?  I quite liked it, actually - my pitch recognition skills are legendarily poor.  Seeing the ball flash red used to at least save the the embarrassment of being all the way through my swing before that curve ball had even got to the plate.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 11, 2009, 10:48:59 AM

Quote from: Tonker on February 11, 2009, 08:13:29 AM

Quote from: ChuckD on February 10, 2009, 08:45:10 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 10, 2009, 11:44:27 AM
The 2K9 Developer Diary (http://www.operationsports.com/feature.php?id=823) is up at O.S.  They're sure saying all the right things.  Hit Influence sounds exactly like MVP 2005's hitting system, but I'm very intrigued by Zone Hitting.  I haven't played a cursor-based hitting game since All-Star Baseball.  Baserunning sounds much improved.

Does that mean the ball is going to flash a different color to indicate the type of pitch?

Which game was that?  I quite liked it, actually - my pitch recognition skills are legendarily poor.  Seeing the ball flash red used to at least save the the embarrassment of being all the way through my swing before that curve ball had even got to the plate.

MVP 2005.  The ball would flash a different color right when it left the pitcher's hand to indicate fastball, breaking ball, splitter, changeup, etc.  It was a fantastic addition.  From what I've read about MLB 2K9, supposedly the ball flashes a certain color when it crosses the plate.  I don't see how that's even remotely helpful, so I assume that's a mistake and that it flashes earlier.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 11, 2009, 11:13:33 AM
Isn't it like cheating?  I guess if the stitching showed up better on the pitches they wouldn't have to do something like this.  I never played MVP 2005, so I don't know how great it was.  To me, it takes away from the challenge of recognizing the pitch.  You can argue that recognizing the stitching and noticing color are similar, but the former seems like the bigger challenge.

Nitpicking, I know.

Quote from: Weebs on February 11, 2009, 12:49:54 PM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 11, 2009, 11:13:33 AM
Isn't it like cheating?  I guess if the stitching showed up better on the pitches they wouldn't have to do something like this.  I never played MVP 2005, so I don't know how great it was.  To me, it takes away from the challenge of recognizing the pitch.  You can argue that recognizing the stitching and noticing color are similar, but the former seems like the bigger challenge.

Nitpicking, I know.

Well I'd be very impressed if someone could recognizing the stitching on a video game baseball and decide the pitch type.  Maybe it would be possible on a slow pitch speed on a very large high-def TV.  It's hard enough to tell if the damn thing is going to be in the strike zone, let alone which way it's rotating.

MVP's system worked really well, but ultimately was a bit too easy.  I believe each pitcher had one specific rating that determined how well they hid their pitches.  Hitting against most pitchers on the Pirates was simple because you'd know the type halfway through their windup and it was just a matter of judging location once you knew what the pitch looked like.  I really liked the system, but it was too easy.  I prefer it over something like The Show, because knowing exactly where the pitch will be through some on-screen target is pretty lame.  It's fine from time-to-time when the pitcher just fucks up, but it's a lot more fun and rewarding to actually be able to read the pitches.  I liked MVP so much because I actually got good enough that I felt like I was really in control when I played.  I could recognize the type of pitch and location, and then pull it, slap it the other way, or do whatever I needed to in that situation.  With the 2k games, no matter how much I played, I never really felt like I was controlling the outcome of the AB.  It was just a matter of timing the swing and then waiting to see what happened, which more often than not was 500 foot bomb.  In MVP, I knew when my swing would result in a single up the middle, a double down the line or whatever.  They really need to update that game...

Quote from: Slakee on February 11, 2009, 12:56:45 PM

Quote from: Weebs on February 11, 2009, 12:49:54 PM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 11, 2009, 11:13:33 AM
Isn't it like cheating?  I guess if the stitching showed up better on the pitches they wouldn't have to do something like this.  I never played MVP 2005, so I don't know how great it was.  To me, it takes away from the challenge of recognizing the pitch.  You can argue that recognizing the stitching and noticing color are similar, but the former seems like the bigger challenge.

Nitpicking, I know.

Well I'd be very impressed if someone could recognizing the stitching on a video game baseball and decide the pitch type.  Maybe it would be possible on a slow pitch speed on a very large high-def TV.  It's hard enough to tell if the damn thing is going to be in the strike zone, let alone which way it's rotating.

MVP's system worked really well, but ultimately was a bit too easy.  I believe each pitcher had one specific rating that determined how well they hid their pitches.  Hitting against most pitchers on the Pirates was simple because you'd know the type halfway through their windup and it was just a matter of judging location once you knew what the pitch looked like.  I really liked the system, but it was too easy.  I prefer it over something like The Show, because knowing exactly where the pitch will be through some on-screen target is pretty lame.  It's fine from time-to-time when the pitcher just fucks up, but it's a lot more fun and rewarding to actually be able to read the pitches.  I liked MVP so much because I actually got good enough that I felt like I was really in control when I played.  I could recognize the type of pitch and location, and then pull it, slap it the other way, or do whatever I needed to in that situation.  With the 2k games, no matter how much I played, I never really felt like I was controlling the outcome of the AB.  It was just a matter of timing the swing and then waiting to see what happened, which more often than not was 500 foot bomb.  In MVP, I knew when my swing would result in a single up the middle, a double down the line or whatever.  They really need to update that game...

Did anyone read this?

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 11, 2009, 12:57:59 PM

Quote from: Slakee on February 11, 2009, 12:56:45 PM

Quote from: Weebs on February 11, 2009, 12:49:54 PM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 11, 2009, 11:13:33 AM
Isn't it like cheating?  I guess if the stitching showed up better on the pitches they wouldn't have to do something like this.  I never played MVP 2005, so I don't know how great it was.  To me, it takes away from the challenge of recognizing the pitch.  You can argue that recognizing the stitching and noticing color are similar, but the former seems like the bigger challenge.

Nitpicking, I know.

Well I'd be very impressed if someone could recognizing the stitching on a video game baseball and decide the pitch type.  Maybe it would be possible on a slow pitch speed on a very large high-def TV.  It's hard enough to tell if the damn thing is going to be in the strike zone, let alone which way it's rotating.

MVP's system worked really well, but ultimately was a bit too easy.  I believe each pitcher had one specific rating that determined how well they hid their pitches.  Hitting against most pitchers on the Pirates was simple because you'd know the type halfway through their windup and it was just a matter of judging location once you knew what the pitch looked like.  I really liked the system, but it was too easy.  I prefer it over something like The Show, because knowing exactly where the pitch will be through some on-screen target is pretty lame.  It's fine from time-to-time when the pitcher just fucks up, but it's a lot more fun and rewarding to actually be able to read the pitches.  I liked MVP so much because I actually got good enough that I felt like I was really in control when I played.  I could recognize the type of pitch and location, and then pull it, slap it the other way, or do whatever I needed to in that situation.  With the 2k games, no matter how much I played, I never really felt like I was controlling the outcome of the AB.  It was just a matter of timing the swing and then waiting to see what happened, which more often than not was 500 foot bomb.  In MVP, I knew when my swing would result in a single up the middle, a double down the line or whatever.  They really need to update that game...

Did anyone read this?

I did, but only because I'm stunned that I agreed with pretty much everything Weebs said in it.

Quote from: Slakee on February 11, 2009, 01:00:07 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 11, 2009, 12:57:59 PM

Quote from: Slakee on February 11, 2009, 12:56:45 PM

Quote from: Weebs on February 11, 2009, 12:49:54 PM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 11, 2009, 11:13:33 AM
Isn't it like cheating?  I guess if the stitching showed up better on the pitches they wouldn't have to do something like this.  I never played MVP 2005, so I don't know how great it was.  To me, it takes away from the challenge of recognizing the pitch.  You can argue that recognizing the stitching and noticing color are similar, but the former seems like the bigger challenge.

Nitpicking, I know.

Well I'd be very impressed if someone could recognizing the stitching on a video game baseball and decide the pitch type.  Maybe it would be possible on a slow pitch speed on a very large high-def TV.  It's hard enough to tell if the damn thing is going to be in the strike zone, let alone which way it's rotating.

MVP's system worked really well, but ultimately was a bit too easy.  I believe each pitcher had one specific rating that determined how well they hid their pitches.  Hitting against most pitchers on the Pirates was simple because you'd know the type halfway through their windup and it was just a matter of judging location once you knew what the pitch looked like.  I really liked the system, but it was too easy.  I prefer it over something like The Show, because knowing exactly where the pitch will be through some on-screen target is pretty lame.  It's fine from time-to-time when the pitcher just fucks up, but it's a lot more fun and rewarding to actually be able to read the pitches.  I liked MVP so much because I actually got good enough that I felt like I was really in control when I played.  I could recognize the type of pitch and location, and then pull it, slap it the other way, or do whatever I needed to in that situation.  With the 2k games, no matter how much I played, I never really felt like I was controlling the outcome of the AB.  It was just a matter of timing the swing and then waiting to see what happened, which more often than not was 500 foot bomb.  In MVP, I knew when my swing would result in a single up the middle, a double down the line or whatever.  They really need to update that game...

Did anyone read this?

I did, but only because I'm stunned that I agreed with pretty much everything Weebs said in it.

How did you know you agreed with it before you read it?

ROASTED

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 11, 2009, 12:57:59 PM

Quote from: Slakee on February 11, 2009, 12:56:45 PM

Quote from: Weebs on February 11, 2009, 12:49:54 PM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 11, 2009, 11:13:33 AM
Isn't it like cheating?  I guess if the stitching showed up better on the pitches they wouldn't have to do something like this.  I never played MVP 2005, so I don't know how great it was.  To me, it takes away from the challenge of recognizing the pitch.  You can argue that recognizing the stitching and noticing color are similar, but the former seems like the bigger challenge.

Nitpicking, I know.

Well I'd be very impressed if someone could recognizing the stitching on a video game baseball and decide the pitch type.  Maybe it would be possible on a slow pitch speed on a very large high-def TV.  It's hard enough to tell if the damn thing is going to be in the strike zone, let alone which way it's rotating.

MVP's system worked really well, but ultimately was a bit too easy.  I believe each pitcher had one specific rating that determined how well they hid their pitches.  Hitting against most pitchers on the Pirates was simple because you'd know the type halfway through their windup and it was just a matter of judging location once you knew what the pitch looked like.  I really liked the system, but it was too easy.  I prefer it over something like The Show, because knowing exactly where the pitch will be through some on-screen target is pretty lame.  It's fine from time-to-time when the pitcher just fucks up, but it's a lot more fun and rewarding to actually be able to read the pitches.  I liked MVP so much because I actually got good enough that I felt like I was really in control when I played.  I could recognize the type of pitch and location, and then pull it, slap it the other way, or do whatever I needed to in that situation.  With the 2k games, no matter how much I played, I never really felt like I was controlling the outcome of the AB.  It was just a matter of timing the swing and then waiting to see what happened, which more often than not was 500 foot bomb.  In MVP, I knew when my swing would result in a single up the middle, a double down the line or whatever.  They really need to update that game...

Did anyone read this?

I did, but only because I'm stunned that I agreed with pretty much everything Weebs said in it.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 11, 2009, 01:03:55 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 11, 2009, 12:57:59 PM

Quote from: Slakee on February 11, 2009, 12:56:45 PM

Quote from: Weebs on February 11, 2009, 12:49:54 PM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 11, 2009, 11:13:33 AM
Isn't it like cheating?  I guess if the stitching showed up better on the pitches they wouldn't have to do something like this.  I never played MVP 2005, so I don't know how great it was.  To me, it takes away from the challenge of recognizing the pitch.  You can argue that recognizing the stitching and noticing color are similar, but the former seems like the bigger challenge.

Nitpicking, I know.

Well I'd be very impressed if someone could recognizing the stitching on a video game baseball and decide the pitch type.  Maybe it would be possible on a slow pitch speed on a very large high-def TV.  It's hard enough to tell if the damn thing is going to be in the strike zone, let alone which way it's rotating.

MVP's system worked really well, but ultimately was a bit too easy.  I believe each pitcher had one specific rating that determined how well they hid their pitches.  Hitting against most pitchers on the Pirates was simple because you'd know the type halfway through their windup and it was just a matter of judging location once you knew what the pitch looked like.  I really liked the system, but it was too easy.  I prefer it over something like The Show, because knowing exactly where the pitch will be through some on-screen target is pretty lame.  It's fine from time-to-time when the pitcher just fucks up, but it's a lot more fun and rewarding to actually be able to read the pitches.  I liked MVP so much because I actually got good enough that I felt like I was really in control when I played.  I could recognize the type of pitch and location, and then pull it, slap it the other way, or do whatever I needed to in that situation.  With the 2k games, no matter how much I played, I never really felt like I was controlling the outcome of the AB.  It was just a matter of timing the swing and then waiting to see what happened, which more often than not was 500 foot bomb.  In MVP, I knew when my swing would result in a single up the middle, a double down the line or whatever.  They really need to update that game...

Did anyone read this?

I did, but only because I'm stunned that I agreed with pretty much everything Weebs said in it.

He's right about the ABs in the 2K games.  But, how does any baseball player worth his salt recognize a pitch without magical color coding?  Stitches (revealing rotation) and movement.  If it makes the game more enjoyable to play to have color-coded pitches, then by all means I'll take your words for it.

Quote from: Weebs on February 11, 2009, 01:23:15 PM
Oh I'm not denying that stitching is how an actual baseball player recognizes a pitch, but are you telling me that they'll somehow make the image so crystal clear that a video game player can recognize it?  They're already faking a "ball" moving through 3D space on a 2D image.  Trying to have some sort of clarity on the most basic TV set without making the ball half the size of the screen would be very difficult, I'd imagine.  I'm fine with color coding, as it's a very sensible alternative to how you'd actually recognize a pitch type, but making it so obvious like they did in MVP was too easy. 

've never actually spent the time to see if 2k does accurately use that Inside Edge stuff, or if it's just showing you statistics to make you think you have some idea of what's going on.  However, if it shows John Smoltz is 95% likely to throw a fastball in a 3-0 count, and he does actually throw a fastball 95% of the time, the possibility to really analyze specific player tendencies seems pretty awesome.  Too bad from when I've played, it seems like when they'll show a pitcher has a 95% chance of throwing a fastball on 3-0, he'll always throw something else.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 11, 2009, 12:57:59 PM
I did, but only because I'm stunned that I agreed with pretty much everything Weebs said in it.

Quote from: Pre on February 11, 2009, 01:40:32 PM
Although, I guess I would agree that the longevity of almost every baseball game is ruined because
it is too easy to hit.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 11, 2009, 02:13:26 PM
I'm guessing you can turn the colored pitches off, you fucking racists.

I'll say one thing about 2K8's hitting.  If you cranked up "Step Influence," it was REALLY hard to hit, even after you got used to the game.  It's also still really hard to hit in MVP NCAA 2006.  There's definitely a way to make hitting difficult without it just being ridiculous (like the stupid-fast pitch speed in the late ASB games), but I feel like a lot of baseball game developers try to cater to the more casual crowd.

Quote from: Pre on February 11, 2009, 01:40:32 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 11, 2009, 12:57:59 PM
I did, but only because I'm stunned that I agreed with pretty much everything Weebs said in it.

Now you made me read it, asshole.

So you agree with the part where Weebs tries to hide his long winded bragging about being able
to hit in a video game inside a flimsy analysis of the hitting systems?  I feel like we need a forum
topic for Weebs to brag about inane things.  Maybe we can trick Kurt into thinking it's also about
Canada.

Although, I guess I would agree that the longevity of almost every baseball game is ruined because
it is too easy to hit.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 11, 2009, 01:46:06 PM

Quote from: Pre on February 11, 2009, 01:40:32 PM
Although, I guess I would agree that the longevity of almost every baseball game is ruined because
it is too easy to hit.

That's actually a nice point.  Which brings me to this about the Inside Edge:  I've always used it in the games, but beyond that I've never kept up with it or really paid too much attention to it.  Is it a dynamic part of the game?  Does it change if you start struggling with pitches you were otherwise adept at getting to?

Quote from: Pre on February 11, 2009, 01:40:32 PM
So you agree with the part where Weebs tries to hide his long winded bragging about being able
to hit in a video game inside a flimsy analysis of the hitting systems? 

Quote from: Pre on February 11, 2009, 01:40:32 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 11, 2009, 12:57:59 PM
I did, but only because I'm stunned that I agreed with pretty much everything Weebs said in it.

Now you made me read it, asshole.

So you agree with the part where Weebs tries to hide his long winded bragging about being able
to hit in a video game inside a flimsy analysis of the hitting systems?  I feel like we need a forum
topic for Weebs to brag about inane things.  Maybe we can trick Kurt into thinking it's also about
Canada.

Although, I guess I would agree that the longevity of almost every baseball game is ruined because
it is too easy to hit.

Quote from: Weebs on February 11, 2009, 02:16:50 PM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 11, 2009, 01:46:06 PM

Quote from: Pre on February 11, 2009, 01:40:32 PM
Although, I guess I would agree that the longevity of almost every baseball game is ruined because
it is too easy to hit.

That's actually a nice point.  Which brings me to this about the Inside Edge:  I've always used it in the games, but beyond that I've never kept up with it or really paid too much attention to it.  Is it a dynamic part of the game?  Does it change if you start struggling with pitches you were otherwise adept at getting to?

If you're referring to the player Inside Edge profile that's created, I don't think it does much to change the game for you, but it's more just a way to analyze how you play.  It's like how NFL 2k5 would give you a full breakdown of how often you scrambled, threw out of the Shotgun, etc. which was mostly helpful for playing against friends and other people online.  I think the Inside Edge reports on players in game is supposed to provide a way to analyze player tendencies so you can better pitch to, or hit against them.  I remember using it on Prince Fielder once, and he would take curveballs low and in on the first pitch at a really high rate.  In the few games I played against the Brewers, I was ahead of him 0-1 on every single AB because he would always take that pitch no matter what, but he wouldn't take a fastball at the same location.  I really have no idea how they're actually using those percentages to affect the outcome against a particular player, but it seems to be pretty accurate.

Quote from: Pre on February 11, 2009, 01:40:32 PM
So you agree with the part where Weebs tries to hide his long winded bragging about being able
to hit in a video game inside a flimsy analysis of the hitting systems? 

I was trying to say that I liked MVP 05 because the hitting system was pretty straightforward and was easy to understand, so a player could be really good at it.  It wasn't meant to be bragging, but I was just saying it was cool to feel like I really had control within the game, kind of like being good with the cursor hitting in ASB (which I was not) would give you control in that game.  In the 2k games, there is a much smaller degree of control, as shown by the ridiculously small variation in hit types.

Quote from: TDubbs on February 11, 2009, 02:20:56 PM

Quote from: Weebs on February 11, 2009, 02:16:50 PM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 11, 2009, 01:46:06 PM

Quote from: Pre on February 11, 2009, 01:40:32 PM
Although, I guess I would agree that the longevity of almost every baseball game is ruined because
it is too easy to hit.

That's actually a nice point.  Which brings me to this about the Inside Edge:  I've always used it in the games, but beyond that I've never kept up with it or really paid too much attention to it.  Is it a dynamic part of the game?  Does it change if you start struggling with pitches you were otherwise adept at getting to?

If you're referring to the player Inside Edge profile that's created, I don't think it does much to change the game for you, but it's more just a way to analyze how you play.  It's like how NFL 2k5 would give you a full breakdown of how often you scrambled, threw out of the Shotgun, etc. which was mostly helpful for playing against friends and other people online.  I think the Inside Edge reports on players in game is supposed to provide a way to analyze player tendencies so you can better pitch to, or hit against them.  I remember using it on Prince Fielder once, and he would take curveballs low and in on the first pitch at a really high rate.  In the few games I played against the Brewers, I was ahead of him 0-1 on every single AB because he would always take that pitch no matter what, but he wouldn't take a fastball at the same location.  I really have no idea how they're actually using those percentages to affect the outcome against a particular player, but it seems to be pretty accurate.

Quote from: Pre on February 11, 2009, 01:40:32 PM
So you agree with the part where Weebs tries to hide his long winded bragging about being able
to hit in a video game inside a flimsy analysis of the hitting systems? 

I was trying to say that I liked MVP 05 because the hitting system was pretty straightforward and was easy to understand, so a player could be really good at it.  It wasn't meant to be bragging, but I was just saying it was cool to feel like I really had control within the game, kind of like being good with the cursor hitting in ASB (which I was not) would give you control in that game.  In the 2k games, there is a much smaller degree of control, as shown by the ridiculously small variation in hit types.

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Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 11, 2009, 02:13:26 PM
I'm guessing you can turn the colored pitches off, you fucking racists.

I'll say one thing about 2K8's hitting.  If you cranked up "Step Influence," it was REALLY hard to hit, even after you got used to the game.  It's also still really hard to hit in MVP NCAA 2006.  There's definitely a way to make hitting difficult without it just being ridiculous (like the stupid-fast pitch speed in the late ASB games), but I feel like a lot of baseball game developers try to cater to the more casual crowd.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 11, 2009, 02:26:00 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 11, 2009, 02:13:26 PM
I'm guessing you can turn the colored pitches off, you fucking racists.

I'll say one thing about 2K8's hitting.  If you cranked up "Step Influence," it was REALLY hard to hit, even after you got used to the game.  It's also still really hard to hit in MVP NCAA 2006.  There's definitely a way to make hitting difficult without it just being ridiculous (like the stupid-fast pitch speed in the late ASB games), but I feel like a lot of baseball game developers try to cater to the more casual crowd.

That thing you said about 2K's hitting made it go from too easy and unfun to too hard and unfun.  About the new game's hitting:  what Slakee said about Theriot.

Quote from: Weebs on February 11, 2009, 02:24:32 PM

Quote from: TDubbs on February 11, 2009, 02:20:56 PM

Quote from: Weebs on February 11, 2009, 02:16:50 PM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 11, 2009, 01:46:06 PM

Quote from: Pre on February 11, 2009, 01:40:32 PM
Although, I guess I would agree that the longevity of almost every baseball game is ruined because
it is too easy to hit.

That's actually a nice point.  Which brings me to this about the Inside Edge:  I've always used it in the games, but beyond that I've never kept up with it or really paid too much attention to it.  Is it a dynamic part of the game?  Does it change if you start struggling with pitches you were otherwise adept at getting to?

If you're referring to the player Inside Edge profile that's created, I don't think it does much to change the game for you, but it's more just a way to analyze how you play.  It's like how NFL 2k5 would give you a full breakdown of how often you scrambled, threw out of the Shotgun, etc. which was mostly helpful for playing against friends and other people online.  I think the Inside Edge reports on players in game is supposed to provide a way to analyze player tendencies so you can better pitch to, or hit against them.  I remember using it on Prince Fielder once, and he would take curveballs low and in on the first pitch at a really high rate.  In the few games I played against the Brewers, I was ahead of him 0-1 on every single AB because he would always take that pitch no matter what, but he wouldn't take a fastball at the same location.  I really have no idea how they're actually using those percentages to affect the outcome against a particular player, but it seems to be pretty accurate.

Quote from: Pre on February 11, 2009, 01:40:32 PM
So you agree with the part where Weebs tries to hide his long winded bragging about being able
to hit in a video game inside a flimsy analysis of the hitting systems? 

I was trying to say that I liked MVP 05 because the hitting system was pretty straightforward and was easy to understand, so a player could be really good at it.  It wasn't meant to be bragging, but I was just saying it was cool to feel like I really had control within the game, kind of like being good with the cursor hitting in ASB (which I was not) would give you control in that game.  In the 2k games, there is a much smaller degree of control, as shown by the ridiculously small variation in hit types.

THIS IS A PICTURE OF ME!

(http://api.ning.com/files/CN3s74alOU6l3KVZdTsjMbtxoSbK8kTDoHnOwsgFY9AwjEk-kwkjViWrFLdNnD303ImywmEx9auGZWjRlfyM**vknhSgCDPI/InternetToughGuy.jpg)

Replace every video game reference with "drinking Bud Light" or "being a douche" and you'll have a lot more fun with it.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 11, 2009, 02:30:54 PM
If you PS3 guys are interested in getting this, the preview for the PS3 version (http://www.gamedaily.com/games/major-league-baseball-2k9/playstation-3/game-previews/preview/8059/20656) sounds pretty positive.  The fact that they don't mention framerate problems is huge, considering the PS3 version of 2K8 apparently had a far worse framerate than the 360 version.

Quote from: RV on February 11, 2009, 02:32:14 PM
Tdubbs is just frustrated that the real-life cheat codes Tucker Max gave him aren't working, and he still can't defeat the Crying Yourself to Sleep level.

Meanwhile, Weebs and the custom-made Game Genie Action Replay that he built at college are dominating the virtual world.

Quote from: Weebs on February 11, 2009, 02:33:47 PM

Quote from: RV on February 11, 2009, 02:32:14 PM
Tdubbs is just frustrated that the real-life cheat codes Tucker Max gave him aren't working, and he still can't defeat the Crying Yourself to Sleep level.

Meanwhile, Weebs and the custom-made Game Genie Action Replay that he built at college are dominating the virtual world.

*pushes up glasses* Get with the times'd.

Quote from: RV on February 11, 2009, 02:32:14 PM
Tdubbs is just frustrated that the real-life cheat codes Tucker Max gave him aren't working, and he still can't defeat the Crying Yourself to Sleep level.

Meanwhile, Weebs and the custom-made Game Genie that he built at college are dominating the virtual world.

Quote from: RV on February 11, 2009, 02:32:14 PM
Tdubbs is just frustrated that the real-life cheat codes Tucker Max gave him aren't working, and he still can't defeat the Crying Yourself to Sleep level.

Meanwhile, Weebs and the custom-made Game Genie that he built at college are dominating the virtual world.

Quote from: TDubbs on February 11, 2009, 02:31:51 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 11, 2009, 02:30:54 PM
If you PS3 guys are interested in getting this, the preview for the PS3 version (http://www.gamedaily.com/games/major-league-baseball-2k9/playstation-3/game-previews/preview/8059/20656) sounds pretty positive.  The fact that they don't mention framerate problems is huge, considering the PS3 version of 2K8 apparently had a far worse framerate than the 360 version.

Thanks Al.

Quote from: Tank on February 11, 2009, 02:18:55 PM
I've been wondering something, Pre...

Do you compose your Desipio posts in Notepad with word wrap turned on or what?

Quote from: Pre on February 11, 2009, 02:51:54 PM

Quote from: Tank on February 11, 2009, 02:18:55 PM
I've been wondering something, Pre...

Do you compose your Desipio posts in Notepad with word wrap turned on or what?

Nope.



I was going to leave it at that since the answer is pretty lame, but basically there's lots
of text boxes out there which will turn your long fancy line-wrapped text into blocks
by inserting line breaks for you.  Then, if someone with a smaller window setup views
it, the text looks like shit.  A lot of early email clients were like that.  I really hate it when
that happens so I'm particular about keeping lines short and balanced myself.  After I
write something I manually balance all the line lengths.

Also, I write a lot of software and that tends to make people kind of particular about
formatting.

Quote from: Weebs on February 11, 2009, 12:49:54 PM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 11, 2009, 11:13:33 AM
Isn't it like cheating?  I guess if the stitching showed up better on the pitches they wouldn't have to do something like this.  I never played MVP 2005, so I don't know how great it was.  To me, it takes away from the challenge of recognizing the pitch.  You can argue that recognizing the stitching and noticing color are similar, but the former seems like the bigger challenge.

Nitpicking, I know.

Well I'd be very impressed if someone could recognizing the stitching on a video game baseball and decide the pitch type.  Maybe it would be possible on a slow pitch speed on a very large high-def TV.  It's hard enough to tell if the damn thing is going to be in the strike zone, let alone which way it's rotating.

MVP's system worked really well, but ultimately was a bit too easy.  I believe each pitcher had one specific rating that determined how well they hid their pitches.  Hitting against most pitchers on the Pirates was simple because you'd know the type halfway through their windup and it was just a matter of judging location once you knew what the pitch looked like.  I really liked the system, but it was too easy.  I prefer it over something like The Show, because knowing exactly where the pitch will be through some on-screen target is pretty lame.  It's fine from time-to-time when the pitcher just fucks up, but it's a lot more fun and rewarding to actually be able to read the pitches.  I liked MVP so much because I actually got good enough that I felt like I was really in control when I played.  I could recognize the type of pitch and location, and then pull it, slap it the other way, or do whatever I needed to in that situation.  With the 2k games, no matter how much I played, I never really felt like I was controlling the outcome of the AB.  It was just a matter of timing the swing and then waiting to see what happened, which more often than not was 500 foot bomb.  In MVP, I knew when my swing would result in a single up the middle, a double down the line or whatever.  They really need to update that game...

Quote from: Tank on February 11, 2009, 02:59:56 PM

Quote from: Pre on February 11, 2009, 02:51:54 PM

Quote from: Tank on February 11, 2009, 02:18:55 PM
I've been wondering something, Pre...

Do you compose your Desipio posts in Notepad with word wrap turned on or what?

Nope.



I was going to leave it at that since the answer is pretty lame, but basically there's lots
of text boxes out there which will turn your long fancy line-wrapped text into blocks
by inserting line breaks for you.  Then, if someone with a smaller window setup views
it, the text looks like shit.  A lot of early email clients were like that.  I really hate it when
that happens so I'm particular about keeping lines short and balanced myself.  After I
write something I manually balance all the line lengths.

Also, I write a lot of software and that tends to make people kind of particular about
formatting.

These text boxes don't do that, though.

The only reason it occurred to me to ask is that these line breaks make it hard to copy and paste your Weebs hate into the HJE ShoutBox for everyone else's amusement.

(And, yes... That is just the sort of thing we spend most of our days doing over there.)

Quote from: IrishYeti on February 11, 2009, 03:10:10 PM

Quote from: Weebs on February 11, 2009, 12:49:54 PM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 11, 2009, 11:13:33 AM
Isn't it like cheating?  I guess if the stitching showed up better on the pitches they wouldn't have to do something like this.  I never played MVP 2005, so I don't know how great it was.  To me, it takes away from the challenge of recognizing the pitch.  You can argue that recognizing the stitching and noticing color are similar, but the former seems like the bigger challenge.

Nitpicking, I know.

Well I'd be very impressed if someone could recognizing the stitching on a video game baseball and decide the pitch type.  Maybe it would be possible on a slow pitch speed on a very large high-def TV.  It's hard enough to tell if the damn thing is going to be in the strike zone, let alone which way it's rotating.

MVP's system worked really well, but ultimately was a bit too easy.  I believe each pitcher had one specific rating that determined how well they hid their pitches.  Hitting against most pitchers on the Pirates was simple because you'd know the type halfway through their windup and it was just a matter of judging location once you knew what the pitch looked like.  I really liked the system, but it was too easy.  I prefer it over something like The Show, because knowing exactly where the pitch will be through some on-screen target is pretty lame.  It's fine from time-to-time when the pitcher just fucks up, but it's a lot more fun and rewarding to actually be able to read the pitches.  I liked MVP so much because I actually got good enough that I felt like I was really in control when I played.  I could recognize the type of pitch and location, and then pull it, slap it the other way, or do whatever I needed to in that situation.  With the 2k games, no matter how much I played, I never really felt like I was controlling the outcome of the AB.  It was just a matter of timing the swing and then waiting to see what happened, which more often than not was 500 foot bomb.  In MVP, I knew when my swing would result in a single up the middle, a double down the line or whatever.  They really need to update that game...

I'm not sure how it worked in the past but that is not really the way it is on this year's game. You can guess the pitch and location, then if you guessed the location right, it will tell you. If the pitch type was guessed correctly, the "hit box"  flashes red, so very similar to this year's MLK9. I don't think it falls in the "lame" category but we all definitely do.

Quote from: Jon on February 11, 2009, 03:27:10 PM

Quote from: Tank on February 11, 2009, 02:59:56 PM

Quote from: Pre on February 11, 2009, 02:51:54 PM

Quote from: Tank on February 11, 2009, 02:18:55 PM
I've been wondering something, Pre...

Do you compose your Desipio posts in Notepad with word wrap turned on or what?

Nope.



I was going to leave it at that since the answer is pretty lame, but basically there's lots
of text boxes out there which will turn your long fancy line-wrapped text into blocks
by inserting line breaks for you.  Then, if someone with a smaller window setup views
it, the text looks like shit.  A lot of early email clients were like that.  I really hate it when
that happens so I'm particular about keeping lines short and balanced myself.  After I
write something I manually balance all the line lengths.

Also, I write a lot of software and that tends to make people kind of particular about
formatting.

These text boxes don't do that, though.

The only reason it occurred to me to ask is that these line breaks make it hard to copy and paste your Weebs hate into the HJE ShoutBox for everyone else's amusement.

(And, yes... That is just the sort of thing we spend most of our days doing over there.)

We love our Weebs hate over there.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 11, 2009, 04:04:15 PM

Quote from: Jon on February 11, 2009, 03:27:10 PM

Quote from: Tank on February 11, 2009, 02:59:56 PM

Quote from: Pre on February 11, 2009, 02:51:54 PM

Quote from: Tank on February 11, 2009, 02:18:55 PM
I've been wondering something, Pre...

Do you compose your Desipio posts in Notepad with word wrap turned on or what?

Nope.



I was going to leave it at that since the answer is pretty lame, but basically there's lots
of text boxes out there which will turn your long fancy line-wrapped text into blocks
by inserting line breaks for you.  Then, if someone with a smaller window setup views
it, the text looks like shit.  A lot of early email clients were like that.  I really hate it when
that happens so I'm particular about keeping lines short and balanced myself.  After I
write something I manually balance all the line lengths.

Also, I write a lot of software and that tends to make people kind of particular about
formatting.

These text boxes don't do that, though.

The only reason it occurred to me to ask is that these line breaks make it hard to copy and paste your Weebs hate into the HJE ShoutBox for everyone else's amusement.

(And, yes... That is just the sort of thing we spend most of our days doing over there.)

We love our Weebs hate over there.

It's Weebs' birthday today, you dicks.

Quote from: Jon on February 11, 2009, 04:12:01 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 11, 2009, 04:04:15 PM

Quote from: Jon on February 11, 2009, 03:27:10 PM

Quote from: Tank on February 11, 2009, 02:59:56 PM

Quote from: Pre on February 11, 2009, 02:51:54 PM

Quote from: Tank on February 11, 2009, 02:18:55 PM
I've been wondering something, Pre...

Do you compose your Desipio posts in Notepad with word wrap turned on or what?

Nope.



I was going to leave it at that since the answer is pretty lame, but basically there's lots
of text boxes out there which will turn your long fancy line-wrapped text into blocks
by inserting line breaks for you.  Then, if someone with a smaller window setup views
it, the text looks like shit.  A lot of early email clients were like that.  I really hate it when
that happens so I'm particular about keeping lines short and balanced myself.  After I
write something I manually balance all the line lengths.

Also, I write a lot of software and that tends to make people kind of particular about
formatting.

These text boxes don't do that, though.

The only reason it occurred to me to ask is that these line breaks make it hard to copy and paste your Weebs hate into the HJE ShoutBox for everyone else's amusement.

(And, yes... That is just the sort of thing we spend most of our days doing over there.)

We love our Weebs hate over there.

It's Weebs' birthday today, you dicks.

I know. I celebrated by being an asshole in the shoutbox.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 11, 2009, 03:37:27 PM

Quote from: IrishYeti on February 11, 2009, 03:10:10 PM

Quote from: Weebs on February 11, 2009, 12:49:54 PM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 11, 2009, 11:13:33 AM
Isn't it like cheating?  I guess if the stitching showed up better on the pitches they wouldn't have to do something like this.  I never played MVP 2005, so I don't know how great it was.  To me, it takes away from the challenge of recognizing the pitch.  You can argue that recognizing the stitching and noticing color are similar, but the former seems like the bigger challenge.

Nitpicking, I know.

Well I'd be very impressed if someone could recognizing the stitching on a video game baseball and decide the pitch type.  Maybe it would be possible on a slow pitch speed on a very large high-def TV.  It's hard enough to tell if the damn thing is going to be in the strike zone, let alone which way it's rotating.

MVP's system worked really well, but ultimately was a bit too easy.  I believe each pitcher had one specific rating that determined how well they hid their pitches.  Hitting against most pitchers on the Pirates was simple because you'd know the type halfway through their windup and it was just a matter of judging location once you knew what the pitch looked like.  I really liked the system, but it was too easy.  I prefer it over something like The Show, because knowing exactly where the pitch will be through some on-screen target is pretty lame.  It's fine from time-to-time when the pitcher just fucks up, but it's a lot more fun and rewarding to actually be able to read the pitches.  I liked MVP so much because I actually got good enough that I felt like I was really in control when I played.  I could recognize the type of pitch and location, and then pull it, slap it the other way, or do whatever I needed to in that situation.  With the 2k games, no matter how much I played, I never really felt like I was controlling the outcome of the AB.  It was just a matter of timing the swing and then waiting to see what happened, which more often than not was 500 foot bomb.  In MVP, I knew when my swing would result in a single up the middle, a double down the line or whatever.  They really need to update that game...

I'm not sure how it worked in the past but that is not really the way it is on this year's game. You can guess the pitch and location, then if you guessed the location right, it will tell you. If the pitch type was guessed correctly, the "hit box"  flashes red, so very similar to this year's MLK9. I don't think it falls in the "lame" category but we all definitely do.

Heh.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 12, 2009, 03:43:26 PM
O.S. just put up a shitload of screens (http://www.operationsports.com/mediaview.php?id=547).  All the create-a-player options will make it pretty easy to add guys who aren't officially in the game, like that SCAB Kevin Millar.

Teeth:  CAPPED

Quote from: TDubbs on February 12, 2009, 03:50:54 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 12, 2009, 03:43:26 PM
O.S. just put up a shitload of screens (http://www.operationsports.com/mediaview.php?id=547).  All the create-a-player options will make it pretty easy to add guys who aren't officially in the game, like that SCAB Kevin Millar.

Teeth:  CAPPED

My favorite pictures of a tv screen of a video game that hasn't come out yet are the 42 of them of the menu for the presentation settings.  WIND SPEED: 790 GOOGILION MPH!

Quote from: TDubbs on February 12, 2009, 03:50:54 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 12, 2009, 03:43:26 PM
O.S. just put up a shitload of screens (http://www.operationsports.com/mediaview.php?id=547).  All the create-a-player options will make it pretty easy to add guys who aren't officially in the game, like that SCAB Kevin Millar.

Teeth:  CAPPED

My favorite pictures of a tv screen of a video game that hasn't come out yet are the 42 of them of the menu for the presentation settings.  WIND SPEED: 790 GOOGILION MPH!

Quote from: TDubbs on February 12, 2009, 03:50:54 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 12, 2009, 03:43:26 PM
O.S. just put up a shitload of screens (http://www.operationsports.com/mediaview.php?id=547).  All the create-a-player options will make it pretty easy to add guys who aren't officially in the game, like that SCAB Kevin Millar.

Teeth:  CAPPED

My favorite pictures of a tv screen of a video game that hasn't come out yet are the 42 of them of the menu for the presentation settings.  WIND SPEED: 790 GOOGILION MPH!

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 12, 2009, 04:00:50 PM
DPD.  Cub player ratings.  Dolan will be delighted to note that Gabor is the worst player on the team.  Looks like the rosters were last updated prior to the Hill deal.

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Quote from: Weebs on February 12, 2009, 07:25:02 PM
Zambrano hits better than Fukudome.  This instantly has become my favorite game of all time.

Quote from: Pre on February 12, 2009, 09:32:35 PM

Quote from: Weebs on February 12, 2009, 07:25:02 PM
Zambrano hits better than Fukudome.  This instantly has become my favorite game of all time.

It wouldn't be surprised if that's not true of a lot of video games this year.
.337  .337  .554 vs .257  .359  .379

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 13, 2009, 10:29:37 AM
FINALLY, some gameplay videos.

Cardinals @ Cubs (http://www.operationsports.com/videoview_game.php?id=547)

Quote from: TDubbs on February 13, 2009, 10:37:18 AM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 13, 2009, 10:29:37 AM
FINALLY, some gameplay videos.

Cardinals @ Cubs (http://www.operationsports.com/videoview_game.php?id=547)

Yipee Skippy! 
I took my hands of my wienis long enough to pretend like I was holding a controller and pressing buttons to make the game play.  It was awesome.  In hindsight, I should have just used my dong as a joystick.   I'm doing that now instead.  VROOM VROOM.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 13, 2009, 10:41:23 AM

Quote from: TDubbs on February 13, 2009, 10:37:18 AM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 13, 2009, 10:29:37 AM
FINALLY, some gameplay videos.

Cardinals @ Cubs (http://www.operationsports.com/videoview_game.php?id=547)

Yipee Skippy! 
I took my hands of my wienis long enough to pretend like I was holding a controller and pressing buttons to make the game play.  It was awesome.  In hindsight, I should have just used my dong as a joystick.   I'm doing that now instead.  VROOM VROOM.

If you're using YOUR dong, the preferred nomenclature is THUMBstick.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 13, 2009, 10:44:20 AM
DPD.  I just watched the videos.  This game looks incredible in motion.  Let's hope the gameplay backs it up.

Quote from: dbal on February 13, 2009, 11:48:31 AM
Marmol wins Player of the Week with that ERA?  (Damnit...I really need to get something done today.)

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Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 13, 2009, 11:49:42 AM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 13, 2009, 10:44:20 AM
DPD.  I just watched the videos.  This game looks incredible in motion.  Let's hope the gameplay backs it up.

How does Wrigley look?  I can't see teh vids at work, but did it look like they made some refinements to the stadiums and environments?

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 13, 2009, 11:51:30 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 13, 2009, 11:49:42 AM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 13, 2009, 10:44:20 AM
DPD.  I just watched the videos.  This game looks incredible in motion.  Let's hope the gameplay backs it up.

How does Wrigley look?  I can't see teh vids at work, but did it look like they made some refinements to the stadiums and environments?

DPD, but it looks really solid to me.  The field looks a lot bigger than last year (or the player models look smaller), which is a good thing.  The crowd looks excellent.  But be prepared to change your insurance to STATE FARM and drink a lot of PEPSI.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 13, 2009, 11:51:30 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 13, 2009, 11:49:42 AM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 13, 2009, 10:44:20 AM
DPD.  I just watched the videos.  This game looks incredible in motion.  Let's hope the gameplay backs it up.

How does Wrigley look?  I can't see teh vids at work, but did it look like they made some refinements to the stadiums and environments?

DPD, but it looks really solid to me.  The field looks a lot bigger than last year (or the player models look smaller), which is a good thing.  The crowd looks excellent.  But be prepared to change your insurance to STATE FARM and drink a lot of PEPSI.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 13, 2009, 12:03:12 PM
I don't know if this was in previous iterations, but it looks like there are tiebreakers.  Cool.

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Quote from: Slakee on February 13, 2009, 12:04:59 PM
I wish I could see this stuff, but my IT Nazis block almost every image hosting service and any sites related to video games. It'd really give me something to do while I ignore work.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 13, 2009, 12:09:07 PM

Quote from: Slakee on February 13, 2009, 12:04:59 PM
I wish I could see this stuff, but my IT Nazis block almost every image hosting service and any sites related to video games. It'd really give me something to do while I ignore work.

It's just a bunch of screens from the Franchise menus right now, but that one shows a necessary tiebreaker game between the Rays and the Red Sox.

Quote from: TDubbs on February 13, 2009, 02:06:30 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 13, 2009, 12:09:07 PM

Quote from: Slakee on February 13, 2009, 12:04:59 PM
I wish I could see this stuff, but my IT Nazis block almost every image hosting service and any sites related to video games. It'd really give me something to do while I ignore work.

It's just a bunch of screens from the Franchise menus right now, but that one shows a necessary tiebreaker game between the Rays and the Red Sox.

They're real sweet screenshots though.

Quote from: dbal on February 13, 2009, 12:14:10 PM
Two more videos posted.

Yankees v. Mariners (Yankee Stadium looks fantastic): http://gamecinemahd.com/video/major_league_baseball_2k9/3861
Reds v. Dodgers: http://gamecinemahd.com/video/major_league_baseball_2k9/3862

Quote from: dbal on February 13, 2009, 12:14:10 PM
Two more videos posted.

Yankees v. Mariners (Yankee Stadium looks fantastic): http://gamecinemahd.com/video/major_league_baseball_2k9/3861
Reds v. Dodgers: http://gamecinemahd.com/video/major_league_baseball_2k9/3862

Quote from: dbal on February 13, 2009, 03:37:12 PM
10 minute Cubs v. Cards just posted: http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/sports/majorleaguebaseball2k9/video/6204671/major-league-baseball-2k9-gameplay-movie-3

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 13, 2009, 08:29:31 PM
Complete and utter DPD, but I'm going to go ahead and say I'm not 100% impressed.  On Schumaker's steal, the animations are terrible.  He didn't even slide.  He actually went into a "round the bases" animation.  Most of Zambrano's animations between pitches are very herky-jerky.  So was Schumaker's after the foul ball to first.

I'm still gonna be a moron and get the game.  I just thought it'd be a little more ironed out.  Is there enough time to smoothe the game out?

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 13, 2009, 08:35:01 PM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 13, 2009, 08:29:31 PM
Complete and utter DPD, but I'm going to go ahead and say I'm not 100% impressed.  On Schumaker's steal, the animations are terrible.  He didn't even slide.  He actually went into a "round the bases" animation.  Most of Zambrano's animations between pitches are very herky-jerky.  So was Schumaker's after the foul ball to first.

I'm still gonna be a moron and get the game.  I just thought it'd be a little more ironed out.  Is there enough time to smoothe the game out?

You do realize that the USER was controlling Schumaker, right?  The guy even admitted that he didn't know what he was doing, so he failed to hit the slide button and instead sent the guy to 3rd.  There's another video where a ball lands right behind Soriano because the guy playing the game sucks.  Also, keep in mind that this isn't a 100% build.  I'm not saying the animations are going to be perfect in the final product, but they might be better.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 13, 2009, 08:41:50 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 13, 2009, 08:35:01 PM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 13, 2009, 08:29:31 PM
Complete and utter DPD, but I'm going to go ahead and say I'm not 100% impressed.  On Schumaker's steal, the animations are terrible.  He didn't even slide.  He actually went into a "round the bases" animation.  Most of Zambrano's animations between pitches are very herky-jerky.  So was Schumaker's after the foul ball to first.

I'm still gonna be a moron and get the game.  I just thought it'd be a little more ironed out.  Is there enough time to smoothe the game out?

You do realize that the USER was controlling Schumaker, right?  The guy even admitted that he didn't know what he was doing, so he failed to hit the slide button and instead sent the guy to 3rd.  There's another video where a ball lands right behind Soriano because the guy playing the game sucks.  Also, keep in mind that this isn't a 100% build.  I'm not saying the animations are going to be perfect in the final product, but they might be better.

I guess I didn't realize that what with all the beer I've had so far.  That makes more sense.  I do think that things inside the stadium look way better than they did last year.  I'm happy about that.  One little thing, though--the gloves still look like complete shit.

One thing I love about this new game:  Gary Thorne.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 13, 2009, 08:50:08 PM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 13, 2009, 08:41:50 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 13, 2009, 08:35:01 PM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 13, 2009, 08:29:31 PM
Complete and utter DPD, but I'm going to go ahead and say I'm not 100% impressed.  On Schumaker's steal, the animations are terrible.  He didn't even slide.  He actually went into a "round the bases" animation.  Most of Zambrano's animations between pitches are very herky-jerky.  So was Schumaker's after the foul ball to first.

I'm still gonna be a moron and get the game.  I just thought it'd be a little more ironed out.  Is there enough time to smoothe the game out?

You do realize that the USER was controlling Schumaker, right?  The guy even admitted that he didn't know what he was doing, so he failed to hit the slide button and instead sent the guy to 3rd.  There's another video where a ball lands right behind Soriano because the guy playing the game sucks.  Also, keep in mind that this isn't a 100% build.  I'm not saying the animations are going to be perfect in the final product, but they might be better.

I guess I didn't realize that what with all the beer I've had so far.  That makes more sense.  I do think that things inside the stadium look way better than they did last year.  I'm happy about that.  One little thing, though--the gloves still look like complete shit.

One thing I love about this new game:  Gary Thorne.

Nice.  Love: Gary Thorne.  Hate: the fact that the fucking organ is still in it.  I'm digging these videos, though.  The "living ballpark" or whatever the hell they're calling it REALLY adds to the presentation.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 13, 2009, 08:58:24 PM
Anyway, I'm still a little worried about the animations.  I'm not trying to rain on anybody's parade about the game, but if you pay close attention to the batting stances--for instance, when the batter walks to the plate it's smooth.  But, then there's this split second of hurry-up in the animation that looks herky jerky.  I didn't see any of that in the vids of The Show.  I know it's not a final build, and I'm going to reserve complete judgement until March 2.  I just hope that they iron that out.  Overall, though, that's my only real complaint along with the gloves. 

Quote from: Pre on February 14, 2009, 01:32:15 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 13, 2009, 08:58:24 PM
Anyway, I'm still a little worried about the animations.  I'm not trying to rain on anybody's parade about the game, but if you pay close attention to the batting stances--for instance, when the batter walks to the plate it's smooth.  But, then there's this split second of hurry-up in the animation that looks herky jerky.  I didn't see any of that in the vids of The Show.  I know it's not a final build, and I'm going to reserve complete judgement until March 2.  I just hope that they iron that out.  Overall, though, that's my only real complaint along with the gloves. 

I haven't watched any videos, but SPOILER ALERT:

They won't iron out all the problems.  It will be a mediocre game.

Stupid upcoming wedding keeps this from being the year I buy a ps3 only for The Show (and Disgaea 3 'cause I'm a super nerd).

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 16, 2009, 10:11:00 AM
Hands-on preview (http://www.operationsports.com/preview.php?id=62) for the PS3 360 version at O.S.

*Edit:  The O.S. guys clarified that it's the 360 version, and that the label is a mistake.

Quote from: Slakee on February 16, 2009, 11:33:27 AM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 16, 2009, 10:11:00 AM
Hands-on preview (http://www.operationsports.com/preview.php?id=62) for the PS3 360 version at O.S.

*Edit:  The O.S. guys clarified that it's the 360 version, and that the label is a mistake.

Quick rundown for the IT-impaired? Do they like it?

QuoteI have played quite a bit of our beta copy of Major League Baseball 2K9, so I will give my impressions of what I have seen so far. Just keep in mind, some of the issues I have witnessed will not be in the final retail version, according to the developers of the game.

Some Unanswered Questions

The biggest question has to be the frame rate and the A.I. swinging at anything remotely close to the strike zone. After multiple games, I can definitely tell you there are some issues with the frame rate, but those issues are not consistently popping up. For example, here are some instances where I have seen hiccups in animations one time, and then a few innings later, seen the exact type of play and not seen any hiccups.

I have seen slowdown and loss of frames during certain cut scenes and foul ball situations. Obviously, these instances will not affect the gameplay at all, but there are some that do. For example, I have seen slowdowns on grounders in the infield, pop ups that drop just in front of an outfielder and on occasion after a bunt when the catcher is throwing the ball to first base. Just remember, I am not seeing this stuff all the time, but I am seeing it.

When playing the A.I., it seems it swings at everything in the strike zone, rarely swinging at balls outside the zone. So, it makes it very difficult to get a decent pitch count. I have messed with the sliders, and while improving it some, I am still not satisfied.

I have seen a thread on the forums talking about this issue, and will try a few of the ideas posted there and then report the results.

I have also noticed a few other issues that I feel should be mentioned. On occasion, you will overthrow your intended teammate. This of course happens if you are being aggressive on your throw. However, for example, I will occasionally overthrow my third baseman. Now, if the ball gets passed him and the teammate backing that throw up, the A.I. seems to think the play is over and will not give you a free advance. It does not happen all the time, but I feel it should be mentioned.

In a low scoring game, I would like to see the A.I. bunt a guy over from first -- sometimes the A.I. listens to my request. Still, while sacrifices do occur at times, they do not happen as often as I would like them to.

Some Kudos

On the other end of things, I have been able to generate walks for my team. If you are patient, you will see walks. In addition, the hit variety has got to be seen to be believed. Even though I have not actually captured most of the various hits, I have witnessed seeing-eye singles, bloop singles, slow grounders, dribblers, line drives just over the leaping infielders, as well as foul balls off the batter's foot.

The commentary is very solid. There are some repetitive sayings, but it is very well done and appropriate in all situations. But, just like the fans, the commentators could be more excited during certain situations. Speaking of the fans, they get a little more frantic as the game progresses. You will especially see this in the ninth inning of a close game because you will slowly see fans stand up in different parts of the stadium, until finally all the fans are up out of their seats cheering the home team on.

Real-time atmosphere is very nicely done. I cannot tell you how well it has been implemented. You see some of it in the videos, but there are so many other instances of it. The camera angles are also implemented very well, as you can adjust the pitching and batting camera to quite a few different positions. While it is nice to have so many different camera options, it is disappointing that there are no outfield-adjustable cameras.

Some "Little Things"

Also, here are just a few "little things" I have seen. When foul balls are hit into the dugouts, players jump out of the way. This also happens in the bullpens. On pitches in the dirt that are misplayed by the catcher, the batter will wave the runner to advance. However, the batter is not always right. On close balls and strikes calls, you will see the batter give an evil eye to the ump and even shake his head. On close safe/out calls, you will see players become frustrated with the umps and throw their arms up and argue the call -- to no avail. Player jerseys get dirty in the field and when running the bases.

QuoteA Few More Issues

Here are also a few more things that are bothering me. There are some clipping issues -- players are going through other players; some home run balls are going through walls after they bounce into the stands; and there is a lack of take-out slides (or at least I have not seen any).

It is also odd seeing players look at one base, but then throwing to another. The best example of this is on a double play ball: The second baseman or shortstop will look home, but will still throw it to first. It just looks odd. In addition, outfielders crow hop most throws back into the infield, even those that go to the cutoff man; but, they do not occur when there is a putout.

Wrapping It Up

All in all, I am enjoying my time with the game even though I have a few gripes with the gameplay. If the developers tweak the game so the A.I. does not swing at everything in the zone and get the frame rate right, I will be satisfied, and I am sure most gamers will be as well.

Quote from: Slakee on February 16, 2009, 11:49:05 AM
Thanks Kerm. I'm going to stay off in these fringier threads where it's safe.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 16, 2009, 11:52:52 AM

Quote from: Slakee on February 16, 2009, 11:49:05 AM
Thanks Kerm. I'm going to stay off in these fringier threads where it's safe.

No problem.  I get the impression that this game is going to be far from perfect, but it's going to look pretty, have much-improved hitting, and Thorne will be excellent.  If that's the case, it'll last me through the summer.  There have been hints that VC has made some significant changes to Franchise Mode, but they haven't said what those changes are yet.  I'll be interested to see if we get any info on that this week.

Quote from: Slakee on February 16, 2009, 12:03:41 PM
One thing I noticed, as I get my nerd on, is the final MLB.com screen from the day before the fake one-game playoff between Tampa and Boston was all the same story posted about every single season series and how it ended. That was dumb. I hope that doesn't happen.

QuoteNATIONAL LEAGUE CENTRAL

Chicago Cubs
Overall: 82
Contact: 87
Power: 65
Speed: 84
Pitching: 94
Defense: 82

Milwaukee Brewers
Overall: 72
Contact: 70
Power: 69
Speed: 83
Pitching: 74
Defense: 75

Houston Astros
Overall: 75
Contact: 84
Power: 55
Speed: 93
Pitching: 74
Defense: 85

St. Louis Cardinals
Overall: 78
Contact: 79
Power: 80
Speed: 72
Pitching: 76
Defense: 85

Cincinnati Reds
Overall: 76
Contact: 76
Power: 57
Speed: 97
Pitching: 88
Defense: 76

Pittsburgh Pirates
Overall: 70
Contact: 76
Power: 63
Speed: 75
Pitching: 69
Defense: 75

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on January 13, 2009, 10:02:10 AM
DPD, but I finally had a look-see at the features list and found this:

Real-time Living World

Anything that happens in a baseball stadium happens in 2K9 in Real Time.
Players will move from the dugout to the batter's box and from the bullpen to the mound.
Players warm up by throwing around the horn, bat swinging practice, etc.
Umpire, ball boys, coaches – All onfield personnel will be moving naturally to and from their positions.
Celebrations – Players will react properly to a regular end-game to walkoff home run, to no-hitter and World Series celebration.
Vendors move in the crowd
Fans react to home runs and foul balls

That's going to be pretty cool, if it's done well.  But, again...I hope this includes some upgrading to the stadiums.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 16, 2009, 08:38:51 PM
Yeah, I noticed they fucked up the end-of-game animations for everyone but the on-field players.  The on-deck batter was still taking practice swings after the final out, too.  Hopefully, that's something that gets ironed out.  If not, I'll just close my eyes after the final out.

Quote from: Slakee on February 16, 2009, 09:09:33 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 16, 2009, 08:38:51 PM
Yeah, I noticed they fucked up the end-of-game animations for everyone but the on-field players.  The on-deck batter was still taking practice swings after the final out, too.  Hopefully, that's something that gets ironed out.  If not, I'll just close my eyes after the final out.

I was reading a thread where someone was complaining about the lack of cool double play animations. Then he was shown a link to a developer Q&A saying that these videos are from the beta version. The beta version doesn't have a lot of the animations in it. This wasn't enough to keep him from becoming very worried.

Very worried, indeed.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 17, 2009, 11:37:56 AM

Quote from: Slakee on February 16, 2009, 09:09:33 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 16, 2009, 08:38:51 PM
Yeah, I noticed they fucked up the end-of-game animations for everyone but the on-field players.  The on-deck batter was still taking practice swings after the final out, too.  Hopefully, that's something that gets ironed out.  If not, I'll just close my eyes after the final out.

I was reading a thread where someone was complaining about the lack of cool double play animations. Then he was shown a link to a developer Q&A saying that these videos are from the beta version. The beta version doesn't have a lot of the animations in it. This wasn't enough to keep him from becoming very worried.

Very worried, indeed.

They also said they added another 300 signature styles in addition to the 300 they already had, yet one of the videos showed several of the Phillies and Rays with generic stances.  I'm a little hopeful that the final product will be slightly cleaner than it is right now.  Honestly, though, I'm pretty sold on the game even in the state it's in right now.

QuoteA couple years back in MLB 2K7, I cringed every time I looked at the league leaders and saw that Tony Graffanino was leading the league in triples in my franchise. We’re talking about a 35-year old (at the time) guy who wasn’t exactly a speed demon on the base paths during his career. I’m proud to say that the engineer who wrote our brand new simulator this year is one of the biggest baseball fans I’ve ever met, and his passion shows in his work.

QuoteWith the simulator out of the way, we moved on to our next core feature, the Player Progression model. Rather than implement a traditional progression model where players are given a potential rating that places them on a pre-determined growth ‘curve’, we decided to take a risk with our new progression model. As it turned out, this risk paid off for us handsomely. Players will progress in MLB 2K9 with respect to their on-field performance in addition to their potential. What this basically means is their on-field successes and/or failures will determine their career paths. This creates a very dynamic experience where one user’s experience could be dramatically different from another. I’ve had a franchise where James Loney took off and became one of the better players in the league. In another, I watched him hobble through injury after injury while never realizing his true potential. This level of dynamism is one of the many reasons that we are very excited about getting this game into your hands.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 19, 2009, 10:29:34 AM
Back to Kerm's post about the game being far from perfect but prettier with improved hitting mechanics, I'm down with that if they can patch any framerate issues that might plague the game upon release.  If they do that, I'm down for a summer of virtual baseball nerdiness.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 19, 2009, 01:21:26 PM
Franchise (http://sports.espn.go.com/videogames/news/story?id=3913651) sounds pretty awesome, and those are some decent-looking sim stats.  He also mentions that the updated code is running smoothly.

Quote from: Timmy B on February 19, 2009, 06:54:38 PM
Something that's bugged me for a while -- not long after Electronic Arts nabbed the NFL license, the company made a separate deal to acquire the ESPN license (which had until then been in the hands of Sega / 2K; I think the last game to utilize it was NFL2K5). EA has done fuck-all with the ESPN licensing.

It stuck out to me when I heard that end-of-inning music in the Cubs-Cards footage -- the stuff that sounds like a really close knock-off of the Baseball Tonight music.

It's superficial, I know, but I miss the added punch that games had when they licensed the graphics, sounds, etc., of the stations. Then again, if it keeps us from MLB 2K10 with FOX Sports and Joe Buck and Tim McCarver, I guess it's not a huge loss.

Quote from: Timmy B on February 19, 2009, 06:54:38 PM
Something that's bugged me for a while -- not long after Electronic Arts nabbed the NFL license, the company made a separate deal to acquire the ESPN license (which had until then been in the hands of Sega / 2K; I think the last game to utilize it was NFL2K5). EA has done fuck-all with the ESPN licensing.

It stuck out to me when I heard that end-of-inning music in the Cubs-Cards footage -- the stuff that sounds like a really close knock-off of the Baseball Tonight music.

It's superficial, I know, but I miss the added punch that games had when they licensed the graphics, sounds, etc., of the stations. Then again, if it keeps us from MLB 2K10 with FOX Sports and Joe Buck and Tim McCarver, I guess it's not a huge loss.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 19, 2009, 07:35:50 PM

Quote from: Timmy B on February 19, 2009, 06:54:38 PM
Something that's bugged me for a while -- not long after Electronic Arts nabbed the NFL license, the company made a separate deal to acquire the ESPN license (which had until then been in the hands of Sega / 2K; I think the last game to utilize it was NFL2K5). EA has done fuck-all with the ESPN licensing.

It stuck out to me when I heard that end-of-inning music in the Cubs-Cards footage -- the stuff that sounds like a really close knock-off of the Baseball Tonight music.

It's superficial, I know, but I miss the added punch that games had when they licensed the graphics, sounds, etc., of the stations. Then again, if it keeps us from MLB 2K10 with FOX Sports and Joe Buck and Tim McCarver, I guess it's not a huge loss.

That's a good point about the graphics and statistical overlays from the official sports stations.  NFL 2K5 did it to perfection.  It always felt like an ESPN Sunday Night NFL broadcast.

Since 2K9 has gone into the MLB.com think, I wouldn't be surprised if they team up for next year with MLB Network and use their graphics and whatnot.  We're not used to them now, but they may become iconic by the end of the season as I plan on seeing a lot of MLB Network over ESPN this summer.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 20, 2009, 11:59:40 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 19, 2009, 07:35:50 PM

Quote from: Timmy B on February 19, 2009, 06:54:38 PM
Something that's bugged me for a while -- not long after Electronic Arts nabbed the NFL license, the company made a separate deal to acquire the ESPN license (which had until then been in the hands of Sega / 2K; I think the last game to utilize it was NFL2K5). EA has done fuck-all with the ESPN licensing.

It stuck out to me when I heard that end-of-inning music in the Cubs-Cards footage -- the stuff that sounds like a really close knock-off of the Baseball Tonight music.

It's superficial, I know, but I miss the added punch that games had when they licensed the graphics, sounds, etc., of the stations. Then again, if it keeps us from MLB 2K10 with FOX Sports and Joe Buck and Tim McCarver, I guess it's not a huge loss.

That's a good point about the graphics and statistical overlays from the official sports stations.  NFL 2K5 did it to perfection.  It always felt like an ESPN Sunday Night NFL broadcast.

Since 2K9 has gone into the MLB.com think, I wouldn't be surprised if they team up for next year with MLB Network and use their graphics and whatnot.  We're not used to them now, but they may become iconic by the end of the season as I plan on seeing a lot of MLB Network over ESPN this summer.

I despise Berman, but the NFL 2K5 Halftime Show (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9O6jKorLRo) was the coolest goddamn thing in sports video games.

Quote from: Slakee on February 20, 2009, 01:05:24 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 20, 2009, 11:59:40 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 19, 2009, 07:35:50 PM

Quote from: Timmy B on February 19, 2009, 06:54:38 PM
Something that's bugged me for a while -- not long after Electronic Arts nabbed the NFL license, the company made a separate deal to acquire the ESPN license (which had until then been in the hands of Sega / 2K; I think the last game to utilize it was NFL2K5). EA has done fuck-all with the ESPN licensing.

It stuck out to me when I heard that end-of-inning music in the Cubs-Cards footage -- the stuff that sounds like a really close knock-off of the Baseball Tonight music.

It's superficial, I know, but I miss the added punch that games had when they licensed the graphics, sounds, etc., of the stations. Then again, if it keeps us from MLB 2K10 with FOX Sports and Joe Buck and Tim McCarver, I guess it's not a huge loss.

That's a good point about the graphics and statistical overlays from the official sports stations.  NFL 2K5 did it to perfection.  It always felt like an ESPN Sunday Night NFL broadcast.

Since 2K9 has gone into the MLB.com think, I wouldn't be surprised if they team up for next year with MLB Network and use their graphics and whatnot.  We're not used to them now, but they may become iconic by the end of the season as I plan on seeing a lot of MLB Network over ESPN this summer.

I despise Berman, but the NFL 2K5 Halftime Show (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9O6jKorLRo) was the coolest goddamn thing in sports video games.

What's up with 45 minutes of TOP in the first half?

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 19, 2009, 01:42:47 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 19, 2009, 01:21:26 PM
Franchise (http://sports.espn.go.com/videogames/news/story?id=3913651) sounds pretty awesome, and those are some decent-looking sim stats.  He also mentions that the updated code is running smoothly.

The guy who wrote that did a good job of managing his season by sending Zito away for Byrd and signing Pedro.  Also, the Berkman deal was tits for him.  I like what I'm reading.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 24, 2009, 10:54:31 AM
My impressions (http://hirejimessian.com/2009/02/24/mlb-2k9-demo-impressions/) (with apologies to Andy, since I didn't want to rewrite all that nonsense).

Quote from: Weebs on February 24, 2009, 11:59:01 AM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 24, 2009, 10:54:31 AM
My impressions (http://hirejimessian.com/2009/02/24/mlb-2k9-demo-impressions/) (with apologies to Andy, since I didn't want to rewrite all that nonsense).

I just played through 3 innings.  I was pretty impressed.  My two main complaints were the baserunner icon (that thing is retarded) and the pitching was a bit too easy.  I didn't give up a hit in the 3 innings.  And I got 6 hits myself, but didn't score any runs.  The few balls hit in the air in the outfield were also kind of hard to track down, but I couldn't tell if that's because the momentum of the fielders was just very realistic, or way too slow.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 24, 2009, 12:07:54 PM

Quote from: Weebs on February 24, 2009, 11:59:01 AM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 24, 2009, 10:54:31 AM
My impressions (http://hirejimessian.com/2009/02/24/mlb-2k9-demo-impressions/) (with apologies to Andy, since I didn't want to rewrite all that nonsense).

I just played through 3 innings.  I was pretty impressed.  My two main complaints were the baserunner icon (that thing is retarded) and the pitching was a bit too easy.  I didn't give up a hit in the 3 innings.  And I got 6 hits myself, but didn't score any runs.  The few balls hit in the air in the outfield were also kind of hard to track down, but I couldn't tell if that's because the momentum of the fielders was just very realistic, or way too slow.

I must suck at this game.  I got one hit in six innings.

Quote from: Weebs on February 24, 2009, 12:10:45 PM
I can say the baserunning is pretty awful though.  I think to switch runners now, you have to cycle through them with the A button.  That's the only way I found to do it.  Also, I couldn't find a button to steal a base.  I had Crawford and Upton on, led off with them, and tried just about every button I could think of.  Nothing worked.  Was it some kind of combination of buttons you had to press in last year's game?

Quote from: Pre on February 24, 2009, 01:07:41 PM

Quote from: Weebs on February 24, 2009, 12:10:45 PM
I can say the baserunning is pretty awful though.  I think to switch runners now, you have to cycle through them with the A button.  That's the only way I found to do it.  Also, I couldn't find a button to steal a base.  I had Crawford and Upton on, led off with them, and tried just about every button I could think of.  Nothing worked.  Was it some kind of combination of buttons you had to press in last year's game?

So, you don't even know how to steal a base, but you are ready to proclaim
the base running system is awful? 

Is it impossible to steal a base at all this year?

Perhaps you might want to wait until you learn how to play the game before
passing judgment.

I have no idea if the games any good.  I haven't played the demo yet as a start. 
But I'm pretty sure if we label everything that you are ignorant about as awful then
there's not going to be a lot of awesome in this world.  And a lot of us are going to
have to change our opinion on sex with girls.

Quote from: Pre on February 24, 2009, 01:07:41 PM

Quote from: Weebs on February 24, 2009, 12:10:45 PM
I can say the baserunning is pretty awful though.  I think to switch runners now, you have to cycle through them with the A button.  That's the only way I found to do it.  Also, I couldn't find a button to steal a base.  I had Crawford and Upton on, led off with them, and tried just about every button I could think of.  Nothing worked.  Was it some kind of combination of buttons you had to press in last year's game?

So, you don't even know how to steal a base, but you are ready to proclaim
the base running system is awful? 

Is it impossible to steal a base at all this year?

Perhaps you might want to wait until you learn how to play the game before
passing judgment.

I have no idea if the games any good.  I haven't played the demo yet as a start. 
But I'm pretty sure if we label everything that you are ignorant about as awful then
there's not going to be a lot of awesome in this world.  And a lot of us are going to
have to change our opinion on sex with girls.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 24, 2009, 01:19:59 PM

Quote from: Pre on February 24, 2009, 01:07:41 PM

Quote from: Weebs on February 24, 2009, 12:10:45 PM
I can say the baserunning is pretty awful though.  I think to switch runners now, you have to cycle through them with the A button.  That's the only way I found to do it.  Also, I couldn't find a button to steal a base.  I had Crawford and Upton on, led off with them, and tried just about every button I could think of.  Nothing worked.  Was it some kind of combination of buttons you had to press in last year's game?

So, you don't even know how to steal a base, but you are ready to proclaim
the base running system is awful? 

Is it impossible to steal a base at all this year?

Perhaps you might want to wait until you learn how to play the game before
passing judgment.

I have no idea if the games any good.  I haven't played the demo yet as a start. 
But I'm pretty sure if we label everything that you are ignorant about as awful then
there's not going to be a lot of awesome in this world.  And a lot of us are going to
have to change our opinion on sex with girls.

To be fair (which I know you don't like when it comes to Weebs), I get what he's saying.  They claimed they made the baserunning more intuitive and simpler, but they absolutely did not.  Weebs is right about having to cycle through the baserunners, which is completely retarded.  I can't believe they didn't include an in-game manual, at least for the controls.

Weebs, to steal, you press the left trigger and release to take a bigger leadoff.  When you're happy with your lead, apparently you hold the left trigger until the controller shakes, or something.  When you release the left trigger, your guy runs.  To go back to the base, it's the right trigger.  This is not from firsthand knowledge, as I haven't tried it, since I only had one fucking guy on base in six innings.

Quote from: Weebs on February 24, 2009, 01:34:18 PM
If that's the case, that's stupid.  The pitcher usually throws over when you take 3 steps off the base, so I guess that means you have to take one, then hold the trigger again for your second step if you want to steal.  But then when you're actually running the bases, the right analog pics the base to run to.  The controls are really odd.

As for pitch-hitting/bring in relievers, I'm guessing if it's in there, you do it via those quick-change menus that you can bring up without actually going to the pause menu.  I tried pushing in the analog sticks and some other stuff, but they didn't seem to do anything.  Whatever, we're probably all buying this game on release day, so only a week to find out whether or not it truly sucks.  The demo gave me some optimism for mediocrity.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 24, 2009, 01:39:05 PM

Quote from: Weebs on February 24, 2009, 01:34:18 PM
If that's the case, that's stupid.  The pitcher usually throws over when you take 3 steps off the base, so I guess that means you have to take one, then hold the trigger again for your second step if you want to steal.  But then when you're actually running the bases, the right analog pics the base to run to.  The controls are really odd.

As for pitch-hitting/bring in relievers, I'm guessing if it's in there, you do it via those quick-change menus that you can bring up without actually going to the pause menu.  I tried pushing in the analog sticks and some other stuff, but they didn't seem to do anything.  Whatever, we're probably all buying this game on release day, so only a week to find out whether or not it truly sucks.  The demo gave me some optimism for mediocrity.

I think when you pull and hold, it doesn't take another leadoff step, but I could be wrong.

By the way, you mentioned screwing up the hit timing.  This year, you can pull down on the stick whenever you want to get ready for your swing.  It's sort of dumbed down from last year.  I don't remember if you can add back in the "step influence" from 2K8.

Quote from: Weebs on February 24, 2009, 02:05:50 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 24, 2009, 01:39:05 PM

Quote from: Weebs on February 24, 2009, 01:34:18 PM
If that's the case, that's stupid.  The pitcher usually throws over when you take 3 steps off the base, so I guess that means you have to take one, then hold the trigger again for your second step if you want to steal.  But then when you're actually running the bases, the right analog pics the base to run to.  The controls are really odd.

As for pitch-hitting/bring in relievers, I'm guessing if it's in there, you do it via those quick-change menus that you can bring up without actually going to the pause menu.  I tried pushing in the analog sticks and some other stuff, but they didn't seem to do anything.  Whatever, we're probably all buying this game on release day, so only a week to find out whether or not it truly sucks.  The demo gave me some optimism for mediocrity.

I think when you pull and hold, it doesn't take another leadoff step, but I could be wrong.

By the way, you mentioned screwing up the hit timing.  This year, you can pull down on the stick whenever you want to get ready for your swing.  It's sort of dumbed down from last year.  I don't remember if you can add back in the "step influence" from 2K8.

Yeah, I'm thinking maybe you are just supposed to pull back right away.  I was trying to time the step correctly like last year, but it seems like it wasn't performing the back motion correctly.  I think you have to complete the load before you can actually swing, which was why hitting back and forward too quick wasn't doing anything.

Quote from: Weebs on February 24, 2009, 02:05:50 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 24, 2009, 01:39:05 PM

Quote from: Weebs on February 24, 2009, 01:34:18 PM
If that's the case, that's stupid.  The pitcher usually throws over when you take 3 steps off the base, so I guess that means you have to take one, then hold the trigger again for your second step if you want to steal.  But then when you're actually running the bases, the right analog pics the base to run to.  The controls are really odd.

As for pitch-hitting/bring in relievers, I'm guessing if it's in there, you do it via those quick-change menus that you can bring up without actually going to the pause menu.  I tried pushing in the analog sticks and some other stuff, but they didn't seem to do anything.  Whatever, we're probably all buying this game on release day, so only a week to find out whether or not it truly sucks.  The demo gave me some optimism for mediocrity.

I think when you pull and hold, it doesn't take another leadoff step, but I could be wrong.

By the way, you mentioned screwing up the hit timing.  This year, you can pull down on the stick whenever you want to get ready for your swing.  It's sort of dumbed down from last year.  I don't remember if you can add back in the "step influence" from 2K8.

Yeah, I'm thinking maybe you are just supposed to pull back right away.  I was trying to time the step correctly like last year, but it seems like it wasn't performing the back motion correctly.  I think you have to complete the load before you can actually swing, which was why hitting back and forward too quick wasn't doing anything.

Quote from: TDubbs on February 24, 2009, 02:23:14 PM

Quote from: Weebs on February 24, 2009, 02:05:50 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 24, 2009, 01:39:05 PM

Quote from: Weebs on February 24, 2009, 01:34:18 PM
If that's the case, that's stupid.  The pitcher usually throws over when you take 3 steps off the base, so I guess that means you have to take one, then hold the trigger again for your second step if you want to steal.  But then when you're actually running the bases, the right analog pics the base to run to.  The controls are really odd.

As for pitch-hitting/bring in relievers, I'm guessing if it's in there, you do it via those quick-change menus that you can bring up without actually going to the pause menu.  I tried pushing in the analog sticks and some other stuff, but they didn't seem to do anything.  Whatever, we're probably all buying this game on release day, so only a week to find out whether or not it truly sucks.  The demo gave me some optimism for mediocrity.

I think when you pull and hold, it doesn't take another leadoff step, but I could be wrong.

By the way, you mentioned screwing up the hit timing.  This year, you can pull down on the stick whenever you want to get ready for your swing.  It's sort of dumbed down from last year.  I don't remember if you can add back in the "step influence" from 2K8.

Yeah, I'm thinking maybe you are just supposed to pull back right away.  I was trying to time the step correctly like last year, but it seems like it wasn't performing the back motion correctly.  I think you have to complete the load before you can actually swing, which was why hitting back and forward too quick wasn't doing anything.

The part that I didn't like was how it was just a video game.  I mean, I tried to use the leftright trigger on my joystick to make the guy lead off, and he did, but then I couldn't get him to lean back towards first to do a proper one-way lead when a lefty was on the mound.  I also didn't like that one icon that said what the score was.  It kept showing 0-0.  They'll have to fix that glich on the modukalator before the game is actually, you know, out in stores.  
I did, however, download the cheat codes, and got 7 hits in one inning.  I got the timing down by pressing the button when the ball was coming towards the plate.  It swung the bat, then the bat hit the ball, then the ball went to the outfield.  It was awesome.  
What I didn't like, was the unrealisticness of some parts.  I'm not sure if that's b/c it's not real and it's fake, or if it was unrealistic b/c it's not real and it's a video game.  That part was confusing.  I discussed the answer with a 9 year old online through my headset, and he said he didn't know, you know, b/c he's a 9 year old and plays video games.  So in essence, I don't know what to think.  I guess I'll just have to wait UNTIL THE GAME IS ACTUALLY RELEASED.

Quote from: TDubbs on February 24, 2009, 02:23:14 PM

Quote from: Weebs on February 24, 2009, 02:05:50 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 24, 2009, 01:39:05 PM

Quote from: Weebs on February 24, 2009, 01:34:18 PM
If that's the case, that's stupid.  The pitcher usually throws over when you take 3 steps off the base, so I guess that means you have to take one, then hold the trigger again for your second step if you want to steal.  But then when you're actually running the bases, the right analog pics the base to run to.  The controls are really odd.

As for pitch-hitting/bring in relievers, I'm guessing if it's in there, you do it via those quick-change menus that you can bring up without actually going to the pause menu.  I tried pushing in the analog sticks and some other stuff, but they didn't seem to do anything.  Whatever, we're probably all buying this game on release day, so only a week to find out whether or not it truly sucks.  The demo gave me some optimism for mediocrity.

I think when you pull and hold, it doesn't take another leadoff step, but I could be wrong.

By the way, you mentioned screwing up the hit timing.  This year, you can pull down on the stick whenever you want to get ready for your swing.  It's sort of dumbed down from last year.  I don't remember if you can add back in the "step influence" from 2K8.

Yeah, I'm thinking maybe you are just supposed to pull back right away.  I was trying to time the step correctly like last year, but it seems like it wasn't performing the back motion correctly.  I think you have to complete the load before you can actually swing, which was why hitting back and forward too quick wasn't doing anything.

The part that I didn't like was how it was just a video game.  I mean, I tried to use the leftright trigger on my joystick to make the guy lead off, and he did, but then I couldn't get him to lean back towards first to do a proper one-way lead when a lefty was on the mound.  I also didn't like that one icon that said what the score was.  It kept showing 0-0.  They'll have to fix that glich on the modukalator before the game is actually, you know, out in stores.  
I did, however, download the cheat codes, and got 7 hits in one inning.  I got the timing down by pressing the button when the ball was coming towards the plate.  It swung the bat, then the bat hit the ball, then the ball went to the outfield.  It was awesome.  
What I didn't like, was the unrealisticness of some parts.  I'm not sure if that's b/c it's not real and it's fake, or if it was unrealistic b/c it's not real and it's a video game.  That part was confusing.  I discussed the answer with a 9 year old online through my headset, and he said he didn't know, you know, b/c he's a 9 year old and plays video games.  So in essence, I don't know what to think.  I guess I'll just have to wait UNTIL THE GAME IS ACTUALLY RELEASED.

Quote from: TDubbs on February 24, 2009, 02:23:14 PM

The part that I didn't like was how it was just a video game.  I mean, I tried to use the leftright trigger on my joystick to make the guy lead off, and he did, but then I couldn't get him to lean back towards first to do a proper one-way lead when a lefty was on the mound.  I also didn't like that one icon that said what the score was.  It kept showing 0-0.  They'll have to fix that glich on the modukalator before the game is actually, you know, out in stores.  
I did, however, download the cheat codes, and got 7 hits in one inning.  I got the timing down by pressing the button when the ball was coming towards the plate.  It swung the bat, then the bat hit the ball, then the ball went to the outfield.  It was awesome.  
What I didn't like, was the unrealisticness of some parts.  I'm not sure if that's b/c it's not real and it's fake, or if it was unrealistic b/c it's not real and it's a video game.  That part was confusing.  I discussed the answer with a 9 year old online through my headset, and he said he didn't know, you know, b/c he's a 9 year old and plays video games.  So in essence, I don't know what to think.  I guess I'll just have to wait UNTIL THE GAME IS ACTUALLY RELEASED.

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 24, 2009, 08:08:30 PM
DPD, but I figured out how to make substitutions.  When hitting, press down on your DPad and you'll bring up your lineup card.  From there, it's pretty self explanatory.  I'm guessing the same idea works when you're pitching.  UPDATE:  The same for pitching.

Also, when running the bases, you select the runner you want by pressing the A Button and then move the Right Stick in the direction of the base you want the selected runner to proceed.  So, if you have a runner on first and hit a single to right field, select the runner going from first by pressing A and press left on the RS to send him to third.  Fairly easy.

A very subtle nuance to note:  after a half inning is over, there is the usual line score and a brief statement by Thorne.  But, the screen cuts to black for about two seconds, as if the game is actually going to go to commercial.  It feels really authentic.

Quote from: Weebs on February 25, 2009, 12:33:15 AM

Quote from: *In a Nutsack on February 24, 2009, 08:08:30 PM
DPD, but I figured out how to make substitutions.  When hitting, press down on your DPad and you'll bring up your lineup card.  From there, it's pretty self explanatory.  I'm guessing the same idea works when you're pitching.  UPDATE:  The same for pitching.

Also, when running the bases, you select the runner you want by pressing the A Button and then move the Right Stick in the direction of the base you want the selected runner to proceed.  So, if you have a runner on first and hit a single to right field, select the runner going from first by pressing A and press left on the RS to send him to third.  Fairly easy.

A very subtle nuance to note:  after a half inning is over, there is the usual line score and a brief statement by Thorne.  But, the screen cuts to black for about two seconds, as if the game is actually going to go to commercial.  It feels really authentic.

THIS.

I thought it seemed a little odd at first, like maybe it was just their way of resetting all the living crowd thing or whatever it's called, but assuming that doesn't get changed, it's a really neat touch.  Hopefully they even add some kind of "Welcome back" dialog to start off, rather than just going right back into the next AB.

Quote* In franchise mode, you get neat little stats underneath their season stats, such as "2nd in the league in hitting" or "currently on an 8 game hitting streak". Very "Show" like.
    * I've struck out a few batters looking already and I haven't played a full game yet.
    * In a game as the Yankees at home vs the Rangers, Kinsler led off the game grounding to 3rd. A-Roid threw high to 1st and he reached base on an error, yet the announcers were discussing how much pitchers hate giving up infield hits.
    * Simmed through a franchise season and the Tampa Bay Rays defeated the LA Dodgers 4 games to 1 to win the World Series.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 25, 2009, 03:33:47 PM
I guess we can finally start talking about this game without pissing off Captain Cavechad, since two guys at O.S. have the full game (http://www.operationsports.com/forums/2k-sports-major-league-baseball/297685-why-do-i-do-myself-i-have-copy-mlb-2k9-q.html).  This was good to see:

Quote* In franchise mode, you get neat little stats underneath their season stats, such as "2nd in the league in hitting" or "currently on an 8 game hitting streak". Very "Show" like.
    * I've struck out a few batters looking already and I haven't played a full game yet.
    * In a game as the Yankees at home vs the Rangers, Kinsler led off the game grounding to 3rd. A-Roid threw high to 1st and he reached base on an error, yet the announcers were discussing how much pitchers hate giving up infield hits.
    * Simmed through a franchise season and the Tampa Bay Rays defeated the LA Dodgers 4 games to 1 to win the World Series.

Other than the third bullet, it sounds good so far.

Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 25, 2009, 03:58:52 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 25, 2009, 03:33:47 PM
I guess we can finally start talking about this game without pissing off Captain Cavechad, since two guys at O.S. have the full game (http://www.operationsports.com/forums/2k-sports-major-league-baseball/297685-why-do-i-do-myself-i-have-copy-mlb-2k9-q.html).  This was good to see:

Quote* In franchise mode, you get neat little stats underneath their season stats, such as "2nd in the league in hitting" or "currently on an 8 game hitting streak". Very "Show" like.
    * I've struck out a few batters looking already and I haven't played a full game yet.
    * In a game as the Yankees at home vs the Rangers, Kinsler led off the game grounding to 3rd. A-Roid threw high to 1st and he reached base on an error, yet the announcers were discussing how much pitchers hate giving up infield hits.
    * Simmed through a franchise season and the Tampa Bay Rays defeated the LA Dodgers 4 games to 1 to win the World Series.

Other than the third bullet, it sounds good so far.

Can you turn the announcers off?  Always the best option.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 25, 2009, 05:04:33 PM
You could last year, so I'm sure you can.  I don't know why you'd want to, though.

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Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 25, 2009, 05:04:33 PM
You could last year, so I'm sure you can.  I don't know why you'd want to, though.

Seemed to me that if you played a whole season the calls became repetitive after around game 30 or so.

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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 25, 2009, 05:10:46 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 25, 2009, 05:04:33 PM
You could last year, so I'm sure you can.  I don't know why you'd want to, though.

Seemed to me that if you played a whole season the calls became repetitive after around game 30 or so.

Oh, definitely.  And if it gets repetitive, I'll shut it off.  But last year, I shut off Morgan and Miller before the first pitch of inning number one.  I sure hope you can shut off the organ, too.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 26, 2009, 10:18:20 AM
Ugh.  One of the editors at O.S. found a franchise-killing bug already.  Apparently, the 30 teams have limited budgets, which causes a large number of stud free agents (Manny, Lincecum, etc.) to remain completely UNSIGNED after becoming free agents.  I usually don't play through multiple seasons, but you guys who do (Simmer?) BEWARE.  If the free agent signing logic is sound, I would think a patch that edited the budgets would fix it, but I wouldn't count on a patch from 2K, to be honest.

Quote from: Slakee on February 26, 2009, 10:23:56 AM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 26, 2009, 10:18:20 AM
Ugh.  One of the editors at O.S. found a franchise-killing bug already.  Apparently, the 30 teams have limited budgets, which causes a large number of stud free agents (Manny, Lincecum, etc.) to remain completely UNSIGNED after becoming free agents.  I usually don't play through multiple seasons, but you guys who do (Simmer?) BEWARE.  If the free agent signing logic is sound, I would think a patch that edited the budgets would fix it, but I wouldn't count on a patch from 2K, to be honest.

Well you can still play and try to enjoy one season anyway.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 26, 2009, 10:31:57 AM

Quote from: Slakee on February 26, 2009, 10:23:56 AM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 26, 2009, 10:18:20 AM
Ugh.  One of the editors at O.S. found a franchise-killing bug already.  Apparently, the 30 teams have limited budgets, which causes a large number of stud free agents (Manny, Lincecum, etc.) to remain completely UNSIGNED after becoming free agents.  I usually don't play through multiple seasons, but you guys who do (Simmer?) BEWARE.  If the free agent signing logic is sound, I would think a patch that edited the budgets would fix it, but I wouldn't count on a patch from 2K, to be honest.

Well you can still play and try to enjoy one season anyway.

Yeah, it's not as big an issue for me, as I haven't made it through a full baseball season since MVP 2005.  But for the multiple-season franchise guys, that's very disappointing.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 26, 2009, 10:18:20 AM
Ugh.  One of the editors at O.S. found a franchise-killing bug already.  Apparently, the 30 teams have limited budgets, which causes a large number of stud free agents (Manny, Lincecum, etc.) to remain completely UNSIGNED after becoming free agents.  I usually don't play through multiple seasons, but you guys who do (Simmer?) BEWARE.  If the free agent signing logic is sound, I would think a patch that edited the budgets would fix it, but I wouldn't count on a patch from 2K, to be honest.

Quote from: Pre on February 26, 2009, 11:22:23 AM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 26, 2009, 10:18:20 AM
Ugh.  One of the editors at O.S. found a franchise-killing bug already.  Apparently, the 30 teams have limited budgets, which causes a large number of stud free agents (Manny, Lincecum, etc.) to remain completely UNSIGNED after becoming free agents.  I usually don't play through multiple seasons, but you guys who do (Simmer?) BEWARE.  If the free agent signing logic is sound, I would think a patch that edited the budgets would fix it, but I wouldn't count on a patch from 2K, to be honest.

Um, Manny is unsigned.  It makes sense that teams have limited budgets, it probably just means they need to adjust free agents to take best available deals.

Quote from: Weebs on February 26, 2009, 11:30:34 AM

Quote from: Pre on February 26, 2009, 11:22:23 AM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 26, 2009, 10:18:20 AM
Ugh.  One of the editors at O.S. found a franchise-killing bug already.  Apparently, the 30 teams have limited budgets, which causes a large number of stud free agents (Manny, Lincecum, etc.) to remain completely UNSIGNED after becoming free agents.  I usually don't play through multiple seasons, but you guys who do (Simmer?) BEWARE.  If the free agent signing logic is sound, I would think a patch that edited the budgets would fix it, but I wouldn't count on a patch from 2K, to be honest.

Um, Manny is unsigned.  It makes sense that teams have limited budgets, it probably just means they need to adjust free agents to take best available deals.

I think he means after a full season.  Lincecum isn't even a free agent for another few years, I don't think.  And I'm guessing this is just a problem with 2k not adjusting the player salaries correctly.  I think it was in 2k7 where all the salaries were way off, and ARod was making something like $3M/year.  Or maybe they're keeping the team salaries where they are this year, but projecting free agent value at what it was last year.  Thanks a lot, the economy Obama.

Quote from: Pre on February 26, 2009, 11:22:23 AM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 26, 2009, 10:18:20 AM
Ugh.  One of the editors at O.S. found a franchise-killing bug already.  Apparently, the 30 teams have limited budgets, which causes a large number of stud free agents (Manny, Lincecum, etc.) to remain completely UNSIGNED after becoming free agents.  I usually don't play through multiple seasons, but you guys who do (Simmer?) BEWARE.  If the free agent signing logic is sound, I would think a patch that edited the budgets would fix it, but I wouldn't count on a patch from 2K, to be honest.

Um, Manny is unsigned.  It makes sense that teams have limited budgets, it probably just means they need to adjust free agents to take best available deals.

QuoteThe franchise issue is already fixed for a patch that is releasing on launch day. You can go back to your regularly scheduled worrying.

Quote from: Weebs on February 26, 2009, 05:18:26 PM
I just hope online play works well this year and people can actually hit without having to swing before the pitch is even delivered.  Maybe we could start out an online league where me and Yeti play as the Pirates and Royals, or a fantasy draft league where it can actually be even.  I vote the latter.  Those are a lot of fun.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 26, 2009, 02:41:13 PM

Quote from: Pre on February 26, 2009, 11:22:23 AM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 26, 2009, 10:18:20 AM
Ugh.  One of the editors at O.S. found a franchise-killing bug already.  Apparently, the 30 teams have limited budgets, which causes a large number of stud free agents (Manny, Lincecum, etc.) to remain completely UNSIGNED after becoming free agents.  I usually don't play through multiple seasons, but you guys who do (Simmer?) BEWARE.  If the free agent signing logic is sound, I would think a patch that edited the budgets would fix it, but I wouldn't count on a patch from 2K, to be honest.

Um, Manny is unsigned.  It makes sense that teams have limited budgets, it probably just means they need to adjust free agents to take best available deals.

He is?  Thank you!

This is awesome.  I love it when games are patched before they are even released.  Always a good sign.

One of the VC developers addressed it:

QuoteThe franchise issue is already fixed for a patch that is releasing on launch day. You can go back to your regularly scheduled worrying.

Sweet.

Quote from: Andy on February 27, 2009, 09:10:25 AM
This is awesome.  I love it when games are patched before they are even released.  Always a good sign.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 27, 2009, 12:05:50 PM

Quote from: Andy on February 27, 2009, 09:10:25 AM
This is awesome.  I love it when games are patched before they are even released.  Always a good sign.

Meh.  Better than delaying the game a month.

Quote from: Weebs on February 27, 2009, 02:35:03 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on February 27, 2009, 12:05:50 PM

Quote from: Andy on February 27, 2009, 09:10:25 AM
This is awesome.  I love it when games are patched before they are even released.  Always a good sign.

Meh.  Better than delaying the game a month.

Reading those 5 things about The Show makes me want to buy a PS3 and never think about the 2k series again.

Quote from: IrishYeti on March 02, 2009, 09:18:10 AM
Is anyone really wanting to do a FANTASY LEAGUE for this FANTASY GAME? If so, let me know. I know I should be fully in the love with MLB The Show but I have played the equivalent to about 7-8 "real games" and I still can't get down the timing for the hitting. I think I've scored 5 runs in those "games" and 4 of them were by the homerun variety. So, if you guys are wanting to do something like this, then I would very possibly be swayed to buying 2k9 as opposed to The Show.

Quote from: Andy on March 02, 2009, 09:35:47 AM
I love how thoroughly I botched the quote function in my reply up there.

How's this for a complaint about the 2K9 demo?  I'd like to actually hit off of a righthanded pitcher, but it's a frickin' three inning game with two of the best lefty pitchers in baseball starting for the teams.

(Yes, it's not much of a complaint.)

Quote from: Kermit, B. on March 02, 2009, 11:16:11 AM

Quote from: Andy on March 02, 2009, 09:35:47 AM
I love how thoroughly I botched the quote function in my reply up there.

How's this for a complaint about the 2K9 demo?  I'd like to actually hit off of a righthanded pitcher, but it's a frickin' three inning game with two of the best lefty pitchers in baseball starting for the teams.

(Yes, it's not much of a complaint.)

I think you can switch to the team you want to face and sub out their pitcher, then switch back.

Buyers beware.  I'm hearing some BAD things about this game from people who have picked it up early, but I'm going to foolishly buy it tomorrow, anyhow.  I hated 2K8 way less than a lot of people did, and this seems a lot better than 2K8.  I'm hoping it's fun enough to hold my attention for at least part of the summer.

Quote from: Weebs on March 02, 2009, 11:15:40 AM

Quote from: IrishYeti on March 02, 2009, 09:18:10 AM
Is anyone really wanting to do a FANTASY LEAGUE for this FANTASY GAME? If so, let me know. I know I should be fully in the love with MLB The Show but I have played the equivalent to about 7-8 "real games" and I still can't get down the timing for the hitting. I think I've scored 5 runs in those "games" and 4 of them were by the homerun variety. So, if you guys are wanting to do something like this, then I would very possibly be swayed to buying 2k9 as opposed to The Show.

Are you referring to actually tracking stats for a fantasy league, or doing a fantasy draft in an online league?

Quote from: Slakee on March 02, 2009, 11:27:44 AM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on March 02, 2009, 11:16:11 AM

Quote from: Andy on March 02, 2009, 09:35:47 AM
I love how thoroughly I botched the quote function in my reply up there.

How's this for a complaint about the 2K9 demo?  I'd like to actually hit off of a righthanded pitcher, but it's a frickin' three inning game with two of the best lefty pitchers in baseball starting for the teams.

(Yes, it's not much of a complaint.)

I think you can switch to the team you want to face and sub out their pitcher, then switch back.

Buyers beware.  I'm hearing some BAD things about this game from people who have picked it up early, but I'm going to foolishly buy it tomorrow, anyhow.  I hated 2K8 way less than a lot of people did, and this seems a lot better than 2K8.  I'm hoping it's fun enough to hold my attention for at least part of the summer.

How bad?

Quote from: Kermit, B. on March 02, 2009, 12:05:41 PM

Quote from: Slakee on March 02, 2009, 11:27:44 AM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on March 02, 2009, 11:16:11 AM

Quote from: Andy on March 02, 2009, 09:35:47 AM
I love how thoroughly I botched the quote function in my reply up there.

How's this for a complaint about the 2K9 demo?  I'd like to actually hit off of a righthanded pitcher, but it's a frickin' three inning game with two of the best lefty pitchers in baseball starting for the teams.

(Yes, it's not much of a complaint.)

I think you can switch to the team you want to face and sub out their pitcher, then switch back.

Buyers beware.  I'm hearing some BAD things about this game from people who have picked it up early, but I'm going to foolishly buy it tomorrow, anyhow.  I hated 2K8 way less than a lot of people did, and this seems a lot better than 2K8.  I'm hoping it's fun enough to hold my attention for at least part of the summer.

How bad?

Well, as I mentioned, the franchise bug is supposedly going to be fixed by patch tomorrow, so that's good.  And some people are working on sliders to fix the over-aggressive CPU batters.  But apparently there are stupid-ass things like no Exhibition mode.  There's only a Play Now mode.  It wouldn't be a big deal, but if you do Play Now, you can't edit the CPU rosters, meaning you're going to see the other team's ace every.  Single.  Game.  I play franchise, anyhow, so that doesn't affect me, but that's a pretty silly oversight.

The one good thing is that it seems like VC is actually paying attention to these bad quirks and is trying to fix them.  With the "Living Rosters" thing, some people are guessing that they can tone down the over-aggressive CPU batters by updating their ratings.  I also read that turning off your catcher's suggestions and pitching the way you want to pitch seems to help a lot, and the batters will take more strikes.  When Kush patched 2K7, it made it a completely different (and playable) game.  I'm hoping VC just has to make some minor tweaks to make it a solid game.

And if you are decent at fielding the demo, you shouldn't have problems in the game, but some people are bitching about the fielding.

There are a few people saying that the core gameplay is very good, despite the quirks.  I'll be the sacrificial lamb and get it tomorrow and answer questions for you guys, so we don't all have to blow $60 if it's going to suck.

Quote from: Weebs on March 02, 2009, 12:37:00 PM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on March 02, 2009, 12:05:41 PM

Quote from: Slakee on March 02, 2009, 11:27:44 AM

Quote from: Kermit, B. on March 02, 2009, 11:16:11 AM

Quote from: Andy on March 02, 2009, 09:35:47 AM
I love how thoroughly I botched the quote function in my reply up there.

How's this for a complaint about the 2K9 demo?  I'd like to actually hit off of a righthanded pitcher, but it's a frickin' three inning game with two of the best lefty pitchers in baseball starting for the teams.

(Yes, it's not much of a complaint.)

I think you can switch to the team you want to face and sub out their pitcher, then switch back.

Buyers beware.  I'm hearing some BAD things about this game from people who have picked it up early, but I'm going to foolishly buy it tomorrow, anyhow.  I hated 2K8 way less than a lot of people did, and this seems a lot better than 2K8.  I'm hoping it's fun enough to hold my attention for at least part of the summer.

How bad?

Well, as I mentioned, the franchise bug is supposedly going to be fixed by patch tomorrow, so that's good.  And some people are working on sliders to fix the over-aggressive CPU batters.  But apparently there are stupid-ass things like no Exhibition mode.  There's only a Play Now mode.  It wouldn't be a big deal, but if you do Play Now, you can't edit the CPU rosters, meaning you're going to see the other team's ace every.  Single.  Game.  I play franchise, anyhow, so that doesn't affect me, but that's a pretty silly oversight.

The one good thing is that it seems like VC is actually paying attention to these bad quirks and is trying to fix them.  With the "Living Rosters" thing, some people are guessing that they can tone down the over-aggressive CPU batters by updating their ratings.  I also read that turning off your catcher's suggestions and pitching the way you want to pitch seems to help a lot, and the batters will take more strikes.  When Kush patched 2K7, it made it a completely different (and playable) game.  I'm hoping VC just has to make some minor tweaks to make it a solid game.

And if you are decent at fielding the demo, you shouldn't have problems in the game, but some people are bitching about the fielding.

There are a few people saying that the core gameplay is very good, despite the quirks.  I'll be the sacrificial lamb and get it tomorrow and answer questions for you guys, so we don't all have to blow $60 if it's going to suck.

I plan on picking it up tomorrow afternoon too.  Maybe we can try out an online game or two to see if it's at all playable.  If so, we could try to get an online league going.  I've always been interested in playing a fantasy draft league.  My friend and I used to do a fantasy draft in MVP and play out games against eachother.  It was a lot of fun.  Of course, that's probably because MVP was a lot of fun.

Quote from: Kermit, B. on March 02, 2009, 12:41:09 PM

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Quote from: Kermit, B. on March 02, 2009, 11:16:11 AM

Quote from: Andy on March 02, 2009, 09:35:47 AM
I love how thoroughly I botched the quote function in my reply up there.

How's this for a complaint about the 2K9 demo?  I'd like to actually hit off of a righthanded pitcher, but it's a frickin' three inning game with two of the best lefty pitchers in baseball starting for the teams.

(Yes, it's not much of a complaint.)

I think you can switch to the team you want to face and sub out their pitcher, then switch back.

Buyers beware.  I'm hearing some BAD things about this game from people who have picked it up early, but I'm going to foolishly buy it tomorrow, anyhow.  I hated 2K8 way less than a lot of people did, and this seems a lot better than 2K8.  I'm hoping it's fun enough to hold my attention for at least part of the summer.

How bad?

Well, as I mentioned, the franchise bug is supposedly going to be fixed by patch tomorrow, so that's good.  And some people are working on sliders to fix the over-aggressive CPU batters.  But apparently there are stupid-ass things like no Exhibition mode.  There's only a Play Now mode.  It wouldn't be a big deal, but if you do Play Now, you can't edit the CPU rosters, meaning you're going to see the other team's ace every.  Single.  Game.  I play franchise, anyhow, so that doesn't affect me, but that's a pretty silly oversight.

The one good thing is that it seems like VC is actually paying attention to these bad quirks and is trying to fix them.  With the "Living Rosters" thing, some people are guessing that they can tone down the over-aggressive CPU batters by updating their ratings.  I also read that turning off your catcher's suggestions and pitching the way you want to pitch seems to help a lot, and the batters will take more strikes.  When Kush patched 2K7, it made it a completely different (and playable) game.  I'm hoping VC just has to make some minor tweaks to make it a solid game.

And if you are decent at fielding the demo, you shouldn't have problems in the game, but some people are bitching about the fielding.

There are a few people saying that the core gameplay is very good, despite the quirks.  I'll be the sacrificial lamb and get it tomorrow and answer questions for you guys, so we don't all have to blow $60 if it's going to suck.

I plan on picking it up tomorrow afternoon too.  Maybe we can try out an online game or two to see if it's at all playable.  If so, we could try to get an online league going.  I've always been interested in playing a fantasy draft league.  My friend and I used to do a fantasy draft in MVP and play out games against eachother.  It was a lot of fun.  Of course, that's probably because MVP was a lot of fun.

From what I hear, the online is actually smooth this year.  An online league is a big commitment, though.  I don't know if we're ready for that step.

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Quote from: Andy on March 02, 2009, 09:35:47 AM
I love how thoroughly I botched the quote function in my reply up there.

How's this for a complaint about the 2K9 demo?  I'd like to actually hit off of a righthanded pitcher, but it's a frickin' three inning game with two of the best lefty pitchers in baseball starting for the teams.

(Yes, it's not much of a complaint.)

I think you can switch to the team you want to face and sub out their pitcher, then switch back.

Buyers beware.  I'm hearing some BAD things about this game from people who have picked it up early, but I'm going to foolishly buy it tomorrow, anyhow.  I hated 2K8 way less than a lot of people did, and this seems a lot better than 2K8.  I'm hoping it's fun enough to hold my attention for at least part of the summer.

How bad?

Well, as I mentioned, the franchise bug is supposedly going to be fixed by patch tomorrow, so that's good.  And some people are working on sliders to fix the over-aggressive CPU batters.  But apparently there are stupid-ass things like no Exhibition mode.  There's only a Play Now mode.  It wouldn't be a big deal, but if you do Play Now, you can't edit the CPU rosters, meaning you're going to see the other team's ace every.  Single.  Game.  I play franchise, anyhow, so that doesn't affect me, but that's a pretty silly oversight.

The one good thing is that it seems like VC is actually paying attention to these bad quirks and is trying to fix them.  With the "Living Rosters" thing, some people are guessing that they can tone down the over-aggressive CPU batters by updating their ratings.  I also read that turning off your catcher's suggestions and pitching the way you want to pitch seems to help a lot, and the batters will take more strikes.  When Kush patched 2K7, it made it a completely different (and playable) game.  I'm hoping VC just has to make some minor tweaks to make it a solid game.

And if you are decent at fielding the demo, you shouldn't have problems in the game, but some people are bitching about the fielding.

There are a few people saying that the core gameplay is very good, despite the quirks.  I'll be the sacrificial lamb and get it tomorrow and answer questions for you guys, so we don't all have to blow $60 if it's going to suck.

I plan on picking it up tomorrow afternoon too.  Maybe we can try out an online game or two to see if it's at all playable.  If so, we could try to get an online league going.  I've always been interested in playing a fantasy draft league.  My friend and I used to do a fantasy draft in MVP and play out games against eachother.  It was a lot of fun.  Of course, that's probably because MVP was a lot of fun.

From what I hear, the online is actually smooth this year.  An online league is a big commitment, though.  I don't know if we're ready for that step.

Why the hell would anyone do that to themselves?

QuoteWell I just played some more, testing zone hitting vs. default directional timed hitting. My observations:

- Default directional hitting (same as demo) is EASY! I just played a 5-inning game on Legend vs. the Mets, Johan vs. C.C. Sabbathia, pitch speed maxed out. Through 5 innings, it was 6-6, Johan only got through the 4th, ARod hit a homerun that hasn't landed yet, if you hold up and pull, while you definitely won't crush every pitch, I still had 10 hits through 5 innings. I only one homer, but it was definitely offensive friendly.

- I personally think zone hitting is the way to go this year. You're DEFINITELY going to have to slow pitch speed down (or increase human hitting contact) because on default All-Star or Legend, I was missing everything. I lowered pitch speed to 50 and through 3 innings, I had 3 hits and got K'd twice, definitely played a better game.

- I tried lowering all IE sliders for Human and CPU. Doesn't matter. I got the CPU to take a combined 2 called strikes. Legend difficulty is not the way to go if you want realistic pitch counts. Furthermore, the AI offense is jacked up on Legend default. Slider tweaks WILL be needed on any level you play (actually AllStar seemed ok for CPU offense, just pitch speed still seemed a bit high and the CPU still swung WAY too often).

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Quote from: Andy on March 02, 2009, 09:35:47 AM
I love how thoroughly I botched the quote function in my reply up there.

How's this for a complaint about the 2K9 demo?  I'd like to actually hit off of a righthanded pitcher, but it's a frickin' three inning game with two of the best lefty pitchers in baseball starting for the teams.

(Yes, it's not much of a complaint.)

I think you can switch to the team you want to face and sub out their pitcher, then switch back.

Buyers beware.  I'm hearing some BAD things about this game from people who have picked it up early, but I'm going to foolishly buy it tomorrow, anyhow.  I hated 2K8 way less than a lot of people did, and this seems a lot better than 2K8.  I'm hoping it's fun enough to hold my attention for at least part of the summer.

How bad?

Well, as I mentioned, the franchise bug is supposedly going to be fixed by patch tomorrow, so that's good.  And some people are working on sliders to fix the over-aggressive CPU batters.  But apparently there are stupid-ass things like no Exhibition mode.  There's only a Play Now mode.  It wouldn't be a big deal, but if you do Play Now, you can't edit the CPU rosters, meaning you're going to see the other team's ace every.  Single.  Game.  I play franchise, anyhow, so that doesn't affect me, but that's a pretty silly oversight.

The one good thing is that it seems like VC is actually paying attention to these bad quirks and is trying to fix them.  With the "Living Rosters" thing, some people are guessing that they can tone down the over-aggressive CPU batters by updating their ratings.  I also read that turning off your catcher's suggestions and pitching the way you want to pitch seems to help a lot, and the batters will take more strikes.  When Kush patched 2K7, it made it a completely different (and playable) game.  I'm hoping VC just has to make some minor tweaks to make it a solid game.

And if you are decent at fielding the demo, you shouldn't have problems in the game, but some people are bitching about the fielding.

There are a few people saying that the core gameplay is very good, despite the quirks.  I'll be the sacrificial lamb and get it tomorrow and answer questions for you guys, so we don't all have to blow $60 if it's going to suck.

I plan on picking it up tomorrow afternoon too.  Maybe we can try out an online game or two to see if it's at all playable.  If so, we could try to get an online league going.  I've always been interested in playing a fantasy draft league.  My friend and I used to do a fantasy draft in MVP and play out games against eachother.  It was a lot of fun.  Of course, that's probably because MVP was a lot of fun.

From what I hear, the online is actually smooth this year.  An online league is a big commitment, though.  I don't know if we're ready for that step.

Why the hell would anyone do that to themselves?

Because they miss how much fun the NCAA 2009 league was?

Quote from: Kermit, B. on March 02, 2009, 12:47:27 PM
DPD.  Still mixed reviews from O.S., but I wonder if the cursor hitting is going to make this game a lot more fun.

QuoteWell I just played some more, testing zone hitting vs. default directional timed hitting. My observations:

- Default directional hitting (same as demo) is EASY! I just played a 5-inning game on Legend vs. the Mets, Johan vs. C.C. Sabbathia, pitch speed maxed out. Through 5 innings, it was 6-6, Johan only got through the 4th, ARod hit a homerun that hasn't landed yet, if you hold up and pull, while you definitely won't crush every pitch, I still had 10 hits through 5 innings. I only one homer, but it was definitely offensive friendly.

- I personally think zone hitting is the way to go this year. You're DEFINITELY going to have to slow pitch speed down (or increase human hitting contact) because on default All-Star or Legend, I was missing everything. I lowered pitch speed to 50 and through 3 innings, I had 3 hits and got K'd twice, definitely played a better game.

- I tried lowering all IE sliders for Human and CPU. Doesn't matter. I got the CPU to take a combined 2 called strikes. Legend difficulty is not the way to go if you want realistic pitch counts. Furthermore, the AI offense is jacked up on Legend default. Slider tweaks WILL be needed on any level you play (actually AllStar seemed ok for CPU offense, just pitch speed still seemed a bit high and the CPU still swung WAY too often).

Slak, did you already try the demo?

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DPD.  Still mixed reviews from O.S., but I wonder if the cursor hitting is going to make this game a lot more fun.

QuoteWell I just played some more, testing zone hitting vs. default directional timed hitting. My observations:

- Default directional hitting (same as demo) is EASY! I just played a 5-inning game on Legend vs. the Mets, Johan vs. C.C. Sabbathia, pitch speed maxed out. Through 5 innings, it was 6-6, Johan only got through the 4th, ARod hit a homerun that hasn't landed yet, if you hold up and pull, while you definitely won't crush every pitch, I still had 10 hits through 5 innings. I only one homer, but it was definitely offensive friendly.

- I personally think zone hitting is the way to go this year. You're DEFINITELY going to have to slow pitch speed down (or increase human hitting contact) because on default All-Star or Legend, I was missing everything. I lowered pitch speed to 50 and through 3 innings, I had 3 hits and got K'd twice, definitely played a better game.

- I tried lowering all IE sliders for Human and CPU. Doesn't matter. I got the CPU to take a combined 2 called strikes. Legend difficulty is not the way to go if you want realistic pitch counts. Furthermore, the AI offense is jacked up on Legend default. Slider tweaks WILL be needed on any level you play (actually AllStar seemed ok for CPU offense, just pitch speed still seemed a bit high and the CPU still swung WAY too often).

Slak, did you already try the demo?

Yeah, I tried it. It was cool looking, but based on all these asinine reviews I don't know...I may just pick up The Show for the PS2.

QuoteGuys, I have a good feeling that at least the AI batting issue will be fixed sooner than later. That's all I can say about it. Please don't ask where I got the info.

Quote from: Weebs on March 03, 2009, 10:52:01 AM
I just picked up my copy and have been playing around a bit.  Kerm, just to let you know, when you go to Play Now, as the game is loading, you can hit Start and adjust your lineup/starter.  I'm finding the Zone Hitting really hard to use so far.  I'm trying to figure out if you turn off the actual option for it, if the system itself will still work but that damn bat won't show up.  It's making it really hard to judge pitch location and I'm swinging late on everything.  I'd rather have the system still there, but just remove the bat.

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Quote from: Weebs on March 03, 2009, 10:52:01 AM
I just picked up my copy and have been playing around a bit.  Kerm, just to let you know, when you go to Play Now, as the game is loading, you can hit Start and adjust your lineup/starter.  I'm finding the Zone Hitting really hard to use so far.  I'm trying to figure out if you turn off the actual option for it, if the system itself will still work but that damn bat won't show up.  It's making it really hard to judge pitch location and I'm swinging late on everything.  I'd rather have the system still there, but just remove the bat.

Yeah, I'm late on everything, too.  I'm getting pretty much exclusively opposite-field hits.  In Play Now, can you change the CPU's lineup, though?  I don't think you can.

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I just picked up my copy and have been playing around a bit.  Kerm, just to let you know, when you go to Play Now, as the game is loading, you can hit Start and adjust your lineup/starter.  I'm finding the Zone Hitting really hard to use so far.  I'm trying to figure out if you turn off the actual option for it, if the system itself will still work but that damn bat won't show up.  It's making it really hard to judge pitch location and I'm swinging late on everything.  I'd rather have the system still there, but just remove the bat.

Yeah, I'm late on everything, too.  I'm getting pretty much exclusively opposite-field hits.  In Play Now, can you change the CPU's lineup, though?  I don't think you can.

I didn't try to adjust the CPU.  I only switched my lineup and put Harden in to start.  Do you have any idea if the system behind Zone Hitting still applies when the actual option is turned off?  That bat takes up way too much of the screen and I'm thinking unless the pitch speed is drastically lowered, it's going to be too hard to hit.

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I just picked up my copy and have been playing around a bit.  Kerm, just to let you know, when you go to Play Now, as the game is loading, you can hit Start and adjust your lineup/starter.  I'm finding the Zone Hitting really hard to use so far.  I'm trying to figure out if you turn off the actual option for it, if the system itself will still work but that damn bat won't show up.  It's making it really hard to judge pitch location and I'm swinging late on everything.  I'd rather have the system still there, but just remove the bat.

Yeah, I'm late on everything, too.  I'm getting pretty much exclusively opposite-field hits.  In Play Now, can you change the CPU's lineup, though?  I don't think you can.

I didn't try to adjust the CPU.  I only switched my lineup and put Harden in to start.  Do you have any idea if the system behind Zone Hitting still applies when the actual option is turned off?  That bat takes up way too much of the screen and I'm thinking unless the pitch speed is drastically lowered, it's going to be too hard to hit.

What level are you playing on?  I'm on default All-Star, and I'm making contact, for the most part.  I think the bat is bat-sized.

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I just picked up my copy and have been playing around a bit.  Kerm, just to let you know, when you go to Play Now, as the game is loading, you can hit Start and adjust your lineup/starter.  I'm finding the Zone Hitting really hard to use so far.  I'm trying to figure out if you turn off the actual option for it, if the system itself will still work but that damn bat won't show up.  It's making it really hard to judge pitch location and I'm swinging late on everything.  I'd rather have the system still there, but just remove the bat.

Yeah, I'm late on everything, too.  I'm getting pretty much exclusively opposite-field hits.  In Play Now, can you change the CPU's lineup, though?  I don't think you can.

I didn't try to adjust the CPU.  I only switched my lineup and put Harden in to start.  Do you have any idea if the system behind Zone Hitting still applies when the actual option is turned off?  That bat takes up way too much of the screen and I'm thinking unless the pitch speed is drastically lowered, it's going to be too hard to hit.

What level are you playing on?  I'm on default All-Star, and I'm making contact, for the most part.  I think the bat is bat-sized.

The fact that Weebs is blatently not going to class writing a paper/not doing his algebra homework/continuing to not try to score with slutty college disgusting Columbia girls is pretty standard.  The fact that Kerm skipped work to play a video game is beyond me. 

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I just picked up my copy and have been playing around a bit.  Kerm, just to let you know, when you go to Play Now, as the game is loading, you can hit Start and adjust your lineup/starter.  I'm finding the Zone Hitting really hard to use so far.  I'm trying to figure out if you turn off the actual option for it, if the system itself will still work but that damn bat won't show up.  It's making it really hard to judge pitch location and I'm swinging late on everything.  I'd rather have the system still there, but just remove the bat.

Yeah, I'm late on everything, too.  I'm getting pretty much exclusively opposite-field hits.  In Play Now, can you change the CPU's lineup, though?  I don't think you can.

I didn't try to adjust the CPU.  I only switched my lineup and put Harden in to start.  Do you have any idea if the system behind Zone Hitting still applies when the actual option is turned off?  That bat takes up way too much of the screen and I'm thinking unless the pitch speed is drastically lowered, it's going to be too hard to hit.

What level are you playing on?  I'm on default All-Star, and I'm making contact, for the most part.  I think the bat is bat-sized.

The fact that Weebs is blatently not going to class/not doing his algebra homework/continuing to not try to score with slutty college girls is pretty standard.  The fact that Kerm skipped work to play a video game is beyond me. 

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I just picked up my copy and have been playing around a bit.  Kerm, just to let you know, when you go to Play Now, as the game is loading, you can hit Start and adjust your lineup/starter.  I'm finding the Zone Hitting really hard to use so far.  I'm trying to figure out if you turn off the actual option for it, if the system itself will still work but that damn bat won't show up.  It's making it really hard to judge pitch location and I'm swinging late on everything.  I'd rather have the system still there, but just remove the bat.

Yeah, I'm late on everything, too.  I'm getting pretty much exclusively opposite-field hits.  In Play Now, can you change the CPU's lineup, though?  I don't think you can.

I didn't try to adjust the CPU.  I only switched my lineup and put Harden in to start.  Do you have any idea if the system behind Zone Hitting still applies when the actual option is turned off?  That bat takes up way too much of the screen and I'm thinking unless the pitch speed is drastically lowered, it's going to be too hard to hit.

What level are you playing on?  I'm on default All-Star, and I'm making contact, for the most part.  I think the bat is bat-sized.

The fact that Weebs is blatently not going to class/not doing his algebra homework/continuing to not try to score with slutty college girls is pretty standard.  The fact that Kerm skipped work to play a video game is beyond me. 

And God knows you understand practically EVERYTHING.

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I just picked up my copy and have been playing around a bit.  Kerm, just to let you know, when you go to Play Now, as the game is loading, you can hit Start and adjust your lineup/starter.  I'm finding the Zone Hitting really hard to use so far.  I'm trying to figure out if you turn off the actual option for it, if the system itself will still work but that damn bat won't show up.  It's making it really hard to judge pitch location and I'm swinging late on everything.  I'd rather have the system still there, but just remove the bat.

Yeah, I'm late on everything, too.  I'm getting pretty much exclusively opposite-field hits.  In Play Now, can you change the CPU's lineup, though?  I don't think you can.

I didn't try to adjust the CPU.  I only switched my lineup and put Harden in to start.  Do you have any idea if the system behind Zone Hitting still applies when the actual option is turned off?  That bat takes up way too much of the screen and I'm thinking unless the pitch speed is drastically lowered, it's going to be too hard to hit.

What level are you playing on?  I'm on default All-Star, and I'm making contact, for the most part.  I think the bat is bat-sized.

The fact that Weebs is blatently not going to class/not doing his algebra homework/continuing to not try to score with slutty college girls is pretty standard.  The fact that Kerm skipped work to play a video game is beyond me. 

And God knows you understand practically EVERYTHING.

He knows that I understand everything PRACTICALLY.

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I just picked up my copy and have been playing around a bit.  Kerm, just to let you know, when you go to Play Now, as the game is loading, you can hit Start and adjust your lineup/starter.  I'm finding the Zone Hitting really hard to use so far.  I'm trying to figure out if you turn off the actual option for it, if the system itself will still work but that damn bat won't show up.  It's making it really hard to judge pitch location and I'm swinging late on everything.  I'd rather have the system still there, but just remove the bat.

Yeah, I'm late on everything, too.  I'm getting pretty much exclusively opposite-field hits.  In Play Now, can you change the CPU's lineup, though?  I don't think you can.

I didn't try to adjust the CPU.  I only switched my lineup and put Harden in to start.  Do you have any idea if the system behind Zone Hitting still applies when the actual option is turned off?  That bat takes up way too much of the screen and I'm thinking unless the pitch speed is drastically lowered, it's going to be too hard to hit.

What level are you playing on?  I'm on default All-Star, and I'm making contact, for the most part.  I think the bat is bat-sized.

The fact that Weebs is blatently not going to class/not doing his algebra homework/continuing to not try to score with slutty college girls is pretty standard.  The fact that Kerm skipped work to play a video game is beyond me. 

And God knows you understand practically EVERYTHING.

He knows that I understand everything PRACTICALLY.

You'd rather go to work than play a video game?

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I just picked up my copy and have been playing around a bit.  Kerm, just to let you know, when you go to Play Now, as the game is loading, you can hit Start and adjust your lineup/starter.  I'm finding the Zone Hitting really hard to use so far.  I'm trying to figure out if you turn off the actual option for it, if the system itself will still work but that damn bat won't show up.  It's making it really hard to judge pitch location and I'm swinging late on everything.  I'd rather have the system still there, but just remove the bat.

Yeah, I'm late on everything, too.  I'm getting pretty much exclusively opposite-field hits.  In Play Now, can you change the CPU's lineup, though?  I don't think you can.

I didn't try to adjust the CPU.  I only switched my lineup and put Harden in to start.  Do you have any idea if the system behind Zone Hitting still applies when the actual option is turned off?  That bat takes up way too much of the screen and I'm thinking unless the pitch speed is drastically lowered, it's going to be too hard to hit.

What level are you playing on?  I'm on default All-Star, and I'm making contact, for the most part.  I think the bat is bat-sized.

The fact that Weebs is blatently not going to class/not doing his algebra homework/continuing to not try to score with slutty college girls is pretty standard.  The fact that Kerm skipped work to play a video game is beyond me. 

And God knows you understand practically EVERYTHING.

He knows that I understand everything PRACTICALLY.

You'd rather go to work than play a video game?

Yes, because video games are for NERDS.  Accounting is for cool people.

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I just picked up my copy and have been playing around a bit.  Kerm, just to let you know, when you go to Play Now, as the game is loading, you can hit Start and adjust your lineup/starter.  I'm finding the Zone Hitting really hard to use so far.  I'm trying to figure out if you turn off the actual option for it, if the system itself will still work but that damn bat won't show up.  It's making it really hard to judge pitch location and I'm swinging late on everything.  I'd rather have the system still there, but just remove the bat.

Yeah, I'm late on everything, too.  I'm getting pretty much exclusively opposite-field hits.  In Play Now, can you change the CPU's lineup, though?  I don't think you can.

I didn't try to adjust the CPU.  I only switched my lineup and put Harden in to start.  Do you have any idea if the system behind Zone Hitting still applies when the actual option is turned off?  That bat takes up way too much of the screen and I'm thinking unless the pitch speed is drastically lowered, it's going to be too hard to hit.

What level are you playing on?  I'm on default All-Star, and I'm making contact, for the most part.  I think the bat is bat-sized.

The fact that Weebs is blatently not going to class/not doing his algebra homework/continuing to not try to score with slutty college girls is pretty standard.  The fact that Kerm skipped work to play a video game is beyond me. 

And God knows you understand practically EVERYTHING.

He knows that I understand everything PRACTICALLY.

You'd rather go to work than play a video game?

Yes, because video games are for NERDS.  Accounting is for cool people.

I'd rather not waste a personal/vacation day to play a video game, when, if I were I that big of a nerd, I could just wait until I got home from work that night, or heaven forbid, three days until the weekend.

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I just picked up my copy and have been playing around a bit.  Kerm, just to let you know, when you go to Play Now, as the game is loading, you can hit Start and adjust your lineup/starter.  I'm finding the Zone Hitting really hard to use so far.  I'm trying to figure out if you turn off the actual option for it, if the system itself will still work but that damn bat won't show up.  It's making it really hard to judge pitch location and I'm swinging late on everything.  I'd rather have the system still there, but just remove the bat.

Yeah, I'm late on everything, too.  I'm getting pretty much exclusively opposite-field hits.  In Play Now, can you change the CPU's lineup, though?  I don't think you can.

I didn't try to adjust the CPU.  I only switched my lineup and put Harden in to start.  Do you have any idea if the system behind Zone Hitting still applies when the actual option is turned off?  That bat takes up way too much of the screen and I'm thinking unless the pitch speed is drastically lowered, it's going to be too hard to hit.

What level are you playing on?  I'm on default All-Star, and I'm making contact, for the most part.  I think the bat is bat-sized.

The fact that Weebs is blatently not going to class/not doing his algebra homework/continuing to not try to score with slutty college girls is pretty standard.  The fact that Kerm skipped work to play a video game is beyond me. 

And God knows you understand practically EVERYTHING.

He knows that I understand everything PRACTICALLY.

You'd rather go to work than play a video game?

Yes, because video games are for NERDS.  Accounting is for cool people.

I'd rather not waste a personal/vacation day to play a video game, when, if I were I that big of a nerd, I could just wait until I got home from work that night, or heaven forbid, three days until the weekend.

Quote from: Pre on March 03, 2009, 11:43:15 PM
This game is, to use a technical term, not good.

I don't feel like going into loads of the bugs I've found in two whole games, but my favorite
is that about 1/3rd of the throws to first pull the 1B off the bag (including soft throws), and
even if the runner is out by 45 feet it's almost impossible to get the bag.  The franchise bugs
I'm reading about are pretty awesome too.

I don't know why I bother buying these shitty MLB2K games.

I think I'll end up getting the psp The Show for my baseball fix.

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I just picked up my copy and have been playing around a bit.  Kerm, just to let you know, when you go to Play Now, as the game is loading, you can hit Start and adjust your lineup/starter.  I'm finding the Zone Hitting really hard to use so far.  I'm trying to figure out if you turn off the actual option for it, if the system itself will still work but that damn bat won't show up.  It's making it really hard to judge pitch location and I'm swinging late on everything.  I'd rather have the system still there, but just remove the bat.

Yeah, I'm late on everything, too.  I'm getting pretty much exclusively opposite-field hits.  In Play Now, can you change the CPU's lineup, though?  I don't think you can.

I didn't try to adjust the CPU.  I only switched my lineup and put Harden in to start.  Do you have any idea if the system behind Zone Hitting still applies when the actual option is turned off?  That bat takes up way too much of the screen and I'm thinking unless the pitch speed is drastically lowered, it's going to be too hard to hit.

What level are you playing on?  I'm on default All-Star, and I'm making contact, for the most part.  I think the bat is bat-sized.

The fact that Weebs is blatently not going to class/not doing his algebra homework/continuing to not try to score with slutty college girls is pretty standard.  The fact that Kerm skipped work to play a video game is beyond me. 

And God knows you understand practically EVERYTHING.

He knows that I understand everything PRACTICALLY.

You'd rather go to work than play a video game?

Yes, because video games are for NERDS.  Accounting is for cool people.

I'd rather not waste a personal/vacation day to play a video game, when, if I were I that big of a nerd, I could just wait until I got home from work that night, or heaven forbid, three days until the weekend.

Do you want me to bore you with the details of the doctor's appointment I had yesterday, or are you just going to continue being a dick?

Quote from: Kermit, B. on March 04, 2009, 10:53:30 AM
For Andy and Pre, I wonder if the first baseman glitch has to do with you guys using the face buttons to throw instead of using the right thumbstick.  I use the thumbstick, and I've only seen that glitch twice in about six games.  It sounds like you guys are seeing it several times a game.  I wonder if that's the problem.

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For Andy and Pre, I wonder if the first baseman glitch has to do with you guys using the face buttons to throw instead of using the right thumbstick.  I use the thumbstick, and I've only seen that glitch twice in about six games.  It sounds like you guys are seeing it several times a game.  I wonder if that's the problem.

I had it happen once, but didn't think much of it.  I figured the first baseman just got pulled off the bag from the throw.  A simple error.  I think the problem may just be the fielding in general.  I played an All-Star game, and even though Hanley Ramirez is a pretty shitty fielder in real life, there's no reason he should have booted just about every ball that came his way.  I think he may have fielded one clean grounder, and managed to make a couple poor throws.  I don't know if 2K have admitted on their forums that these are actual bugs, or rather problems that can be fixed by changing the sliders.  Speaking of which, has anyone found a good set of sliders yet?

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Quote from: Kermit, B. on March 04, 2009, 10:53:30 AM
For Andy and Pre, I wonder if the first baseman glitch has to do with you guys using the face buttons to throw instead of using the right thumbstick.  I use the thumbstick, and I've only seen that glitch twice in about six games.  It sounds like you guys are seeing it several times a game.  I wonder if that's the problem.

I had it happen once, but didn't think much of it.  I figured the first baseman just got pulled off the bag from the throw.  A simple error.  I think the problem may just be the fielding in general.  I played an All-Star game, and even though Hanley Ramirez is a pretty shitty fielder in real life, there's no reason he should have booted just about every ball that came his way.  I think he may have fielded one clean grounder, and managed to make a couple poor throws.  I don't know if 2K have admitted on their forums that these are actual bugs, or rather problems that can be fixed by changing the sliders.  Speaking of which, has anyone found a good set of sliders yet?

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Quote from: Kermit, B. on March 04, 2009, 10:53:30 AM
For Andy and Pre, I wonder if the first baseman glitch has to do with you guys using the face buttons to throw instead of using the right thumbstick.  I use the thumbstick, and I've only seen that glitch twice in about six games.  It sounds like you guys are seeing it several times a game.  I wonder if that's the problem.

I had it happen once, but didn't think much of it.  I figured the first baseman just got pulled off the bag from the throw.  A simple error.  I think the problem may just be the fielding in general.  I played an All-Star game, and even though Hanley Ramirez is a pretty shitty fielder in real life, there's no reason he should have booted just about every ball that came his way.  I think he may have fielded one clean grounder, and managed to make a couple poor throws.  I don't know if 2K have admitted on their forums that these are actual bugs, or rather problems that can be fixed by changing the sliders.  Speaking of which, has anyone found a good set of sliders yet?