This team wouldn't get any runs after a steady diet of E-coli-tainted White Castle, ExLax and Mexican tap water.
That's because this team fucking sucks.
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 20, 2009, 09:12:58 PM
That's because this team fucking sucks.
Yes, they suck. So why don't you go turn off your TV and find something else to do because your hysterics put boils on my ass.
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 20, 2009, 09:12:58 PM
That's because this team fucking sucks.
That's little harsh, no?
Quote from: air2300 on May 20, 2009, 09:17:11 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 20, 2009, 09:12:58 PM
That's because this team is fucking mediocre in a putrid leaguesucks.
That's little harsh, no?
Better'd?
They do this sometimes. Slump together and threaten not to score for a week. It happened a couple times last year and we all yelled at the TV for awhile. They eventually righted the ship and made the playoffs. Then in October they thought it would be awesome to do just this very thing. I hate it when this happens. I get depressed. I start thinking about horrible things. I need to sleep and not dream. Visit death's cousin. I'll send him your love.
Quote from: MAD on May 20, 2009, 09:16:30 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 20, 2009, 09:12:58 PM
That's because this team fucking sucks.
Yes, they suck. So why don't you go turn off your TV and find something else to do because your hysterics put boils on my ass.
Why don't you go fuck yourself.
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 20, 2009, 09:21:48 PM
Quote from: MAD on May 20, 2009, 09:16:30 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 20, 2009, 09:12:58 PM
That's because this team fucking sucks.
Yes, they suck. So why don't you go turn off your TV and find something else to do because your hysterics put boils on my ass.
Why don't you go fuck yourself.
Because your mom won't let go of my junk.
Quote from: ~Apex on May 20, 2009, 09:21:13 PM
They do this sometimes. Slump together and threaten not to score for a week. It happened a couple times last year and we all yelled at the TV for awhile. They eventually righted the ship and made the playoffs. Then in October they thought it would be awesome to do just this very thing. I hate it when this happens. I get depressed. I start thinking about horrible things. I need to sleep and not dream. Visit death's cousin. I'll send him your love.
That's pretty much the truth. The starting pitching has been consistently good so I'm not at all concerned. Clearly they cannot get worse than this, offensively speaking.
The good times are yet to come.
That said - this is fucking irritating.
Quote from: MAD on May 20, 2009, 09:22:23 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 20, 2009, 09:21:48 PM
Quote from: MAD on May 20, 2009, 09:16:30 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 20, 2009, 09:12:58 PM
That's because this team fucking sucks.
Yes, they suck. So why don't you go turn off your TV and find something else to do because your hysterics put boils on my ass.
Why don't you go fuck yourself.
Because your mom won't let go of my junk.
Otherwise you'd tuck back and go to town? Shit, I'd never leave the house.
Quote from: Slakee on May 20, 2009, 09:22:56 PM
Quote from: ~Apex on May 20, 2009, 09:21:13 PM
They do this sometimes. Slump together and threaten not to score for a week. It happened a couple times last year and we all yelled at the TV for awhile. They eventually righted the ship and made the playoffs. Then in October they thought it would be awesome to do just this very thing. I hate it when this happens. I get depressed. I start thinking about horrible things. I need to sleep and not dream. Visit death's cousin. I'll send him your love.
That's pretty much the truth. The starting pitching has been consistently good so I'm not at all concerned. Clearly they cannot get worse than this, offensively speaking.
The good times are yet to come.
That said - this is fucking irritating.
This. But goddammit.
Quote from: MAD on May 20, 2009, 09:22:23 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 20, 2009, 09:21:48 PM
Quote from: MAD on May 20, 2009, 09:16:30 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 20, 2009, 09:12:58 PM
That's because this team fucking sucks.
Yes, they suck. So why don't you go turn off your TV and find something else to do because your hysterics put boils on my ass.
Why don't you go fuck yourself.
Because your mom won't let go of my junk.
(http://www.myteespot.com/images/Images_d/DSCF2730.jpg)
Quote from: Brownie on May 20, 2009, 09:24:39 PM
Quote from: Slakee on May 20, 2009, 09:22:56 PM
Quote from: ~Apex on May 20, 2009, 09:21:13 PM
They do this sometimes. Slump together and threaten not to score for a week. It happened a couple times last year and we all yelled at the TV for awhile. They eventually righted the ship and made the playoffs. Then in October they thought it would be awesome to do just this very thing. I hate it when this happens. I get depressed. I start thinking about horrible things. I need to sleep and not dream. Visit death's cousin. I'll send him your love.
That's pretty much the truth. The starting pitching has been consistently good so I'm not at all concerned. Clearly they cannot get worse than this, offensively speaking.
The good times are yet to come.
That said - this is fucking irritating.
This. But goddammit.
I mean, I wouldn't say I'm worried about it. I do really hate it. Last year some friends were talking about how awesome the Cubs were and how they'd roll in the playoffs against any team. I kept thinking the same thing but wondering if they'd decide to take this team-wide buddy dump at the least opportune time and what effect that would have on everybody involved. The more I thought about it the more I thought it was going to happen and tried to tell myself it wasn't.
Then... it happened. So what if it happens again? So what? JAKEUTLER MOTHERBITCHEZZZ!
Quote from: Oleg on May 20, 2009, 09:26:28 PM
Quote from: MAD on May 20, 2009, 09:22:23 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 20, 2009, 09:21:48 PM
Quote from: MAD on May 20, 2009, 09:16:30 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 20, 2009, 09:12:58 PM
That's because this team fucking sucks.
Yes, they suck. So why don't you go turn off your TV and find something else to do because your hysterics put boils on my ass.
Why don't you go fuck yourself.
Because your mom won't let go of my junk.
(http://www.myteespot.com/images/Images_d/DSCF2730.jpg)
I used to have this t-shirt. I don't know what happened to it. Losing it was one of my bigger failings in life. And i've had several to choose from. EPIC FAIL.
Quote from: ~Apex on May 20, 2009, 09:29:23 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 20, 2009, 09:24:39 PM
Quote from: Slakee on May 20, 2009, 09:22:56 PM
Quote from: ~Apex on May 20, 2009, 09:21:13 PM
They do this sometimes. Slump together and threaten not to score for a week. It happened a couple times last year and we all yelled at the TV for awhile. They eventually righted the ship and made the playoffs. Then in October they thought it would be awesome to do just this very thing. I hate it when this happens. I get depressed. I start thinking about horrible things. I need to sleep and not dream. Visit death's cousin. I'll send him your love.
That's pretty much the truth. The starting pitching has been consistently good so I'm not at all concerned. Clearly they cannot get worse than this, offensively speaking.
The good times are yet to come.
That said - this is fucking irritating.
This. But goddammit.
I mean, I wouldn't say I'm worried about it. I do really hate it. Last year some friends were talking about how awesome the Cubs were and how they'd roll in the playoffs against any team. I kept thinking the same thing but wondering if they'd decide to take this team-wide buddy dump at the least opportune time and what effect that would have on everybody involved. The more I thought about it the more I thought it was going to happen and tried to tell myself it wasn't.
Then... it happened. So what if it happens again? So what? JAKEUTLER MOTHERBITCHEZZZ!
Jake Utler is going to own this bitch.
This bitch = me.
Bear down.
Hoff POWER gets it done.
I want the asshole Cubs fan on his cell phone behind home in the dick.
Fuck.
Nice roster you put together there Jim.
Quote from: Bonk on May 20, 2009, 09:43:38 PM
I want the asshole Cubs fan on his cell phone behind home in the dick.
Gross.
On a positive note, we didn't have to watch Kevin Gregg piss down his leg again.
Quote from: ~Apex on May 20, 2009, 09:47:30 PM
Quote from: Bonk on May 20, 2009, 09:43:38 PM
I want the asshole Cubs fan on his cell phone behind home in the dick.
Gross.
How you plan on getting in there? Innerspace?
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 20, 2009, 09:44:36 PM
Nice roster you put together there Jim.
You are the worst.
Quote from: Slakee on May 20, 2009, 10:00:11 PM
Quote from: ~Apex on May 20, 2009, 09:47:30 PM
Quote from: Bonk on May 20, 2009, 09:43:38 PM
I want the asshole Cubs fan on his cell phone behind home in the dick.
Gross.
How you plan on getting in there? Innerspace?
Holy shit, I really typed that. I think that's enough beer for one night.
Kicking was supposed to be in that sentence somewhere.
Quote from: ~Apex on May 20, 2009, 09:29:23 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 20, 2009, 09:24:39 PM
Quote from: Slakee on May 20, 2009, 09:22:56 PM
Quote from: ~Apex on May 20, 2009, 09:21:13 PM
They do this sometimes. Slump together and threaten not to score for a week. It happened a couple times last year and we all yelled at the TV for awhile. They eventually righted the ship and made the playoffs. Then in October they thought it would be awesome to do just this very thing. I hate it when this happens. I get depressed. I start thinking about horrible things. I need to sleep and not dream. Visit death's cousin. I'll send him your love.
That's pretty much the truth. The starting pitching has been consistently good so I'm not at all concerned. Clearly they cannot get worse than this, offensively speaking.
The good times are yet to come.
That said - this is fucking irritating.
This. But goddammit.
I mean, I wouldn't say I'm worried about it. I do really hate it. Last year some friends were talking about how awesome the Cubs were and how they'd roll in the playoffs against any team. I kept thinking the same thing but wondering if they'd decide to take this team-wide buddy dump at the least opportune time and what effect that would have on everybody involved. The more I thought about it the more I thought it was going to happen and tried to tell myself it wasn't.
Then... it happened. So what if it happens again? So what? JAKEUTLER MOTHERBITCHEZZZ!
Jay-Cutt(l)er is exciting and all, but it's gonna take more than one day of grown men playing something on the skirt-side of touch football to get him to get me to lock the drawer with sharp objects...as excited as I am about the Cutt(l)er.
In an effort to answer your charge, because I'd only do it for you (and maybe Fork--sorry Slakee...maybe if you'd have tossed back shots at the Billy Goat with me on my birthday), I'm not too concerned. If your surprised that a lineup with: a Mendoza-hitting, once-ROY catcher; a first-baseman who's claim to fame is being washed-up on a beach nicer than Jersey Shore; and a player who proves Chuck right at least 4/7...if not 5/7 days...oh, and the pet rock (my new name for Aaron Miles after reading Dolan's last post) getting at least 1AB/game....is getting shutout through 17.2 against this Tards' staff...
Then you need to go out and live life and find something that would genuinely surprise you.
The numbers in the Cubs' lineup (including starting pitching)...like the Hawks' numbers in the playoffs...add up to two losses in as many games.
I think that the Cubs' numbers are more likely to change for the better...but I'd be lying if my optimism wasn't rooted in our pitching and pretty much not in this joke of an offense that is taking the field night in and night out. Even the Shittsburgh Pirates have to be able to score more consistently than this...and we haven't played them yet.
There's room for hope, and it comes to town next Monday. For now, be thankful that Milton isn't Brandon Moss, and Soto isn't whoever is replacing Doumit? Oh how...
Quote from: Bonk on May 20, 2009, 11:18:49 PM
Quote from: Slakee on May 20, 2009, 10:00:11 PM
Quote from: ~Apex on May 20, 2009, 09:47:30 PM
Quote from: Bonk on May 20, 2009, 09:43:38 PM
I want the dick Cubs fan on his cell phone behind home in the asshole.
Gross.
How you plan on getting in there? Innerspace?
Holy shit, I really typed that. I think that's enough beer for one night.
Kicking was supposed to be in that sentence somewhere.
Gross.
Quote from: Bonk on May 20, 2009, 11:18:49 PM
Quote from: Slakee on May 20, 2009, 10:00:11 PM
Quote from: ~Apex on May 20, 2009, 09:47:30 PM
Quote from: Bonk on May 20, 2009, 09:43:38 PM
I want the asshole Cubs fan on his cell phone behind home in the dick.
Gross.
How you plan on getting in there? Innerspace?
Holy shit, I really typed that. I think that's enough beer for one night.
Kicking was supposed to be in that sentence somewhere.
I still don't think that's right.
Kicking I want the dick Cubs fan on his cell phone behind home in the asshole.
I kicking want the dick Cubs fan on his cell phone behind home in the asshole.
I want kicking the dick Cubs fan on his cell phone behind home in the asshole.
I want the kicking dick Cubs fan on his cell phone behind home in the asshole.
I want the dick kicking Cubs fan on his cell phone behind home in the asshole.
I want the dick Cubs kicking fan on his cell phone behind home in the asshole.
I want the dick Cubs fan kicking on his cell phone behind home in the asshole.
I want the dick Cubs fan on kicking his cell phone behind home in the asshole.
I want the dick Cubs fan on his kicking cell phone behind home in the asshole.
I want the dick Cubs fan on his cell kicking phone behind home in the asshole.
I want the dick Cubs fan on his cell phone kicking behind home in the asshole.
I want the dick Cubs fan on his cell phone behind kicking home in the asshole.
I want the dick Cubs fan on his cell phone behind home kicking in the asshole.
I want the dick Cubs fan on his cell phone behind home in kicking the asshole.
I want the dick Cubs fan on his cell phone behind home in the kicking asshole.
I want the dick Cubs fan on his cell phone behind home in the asshole kicking .
Quote from: Andre Dawson's Creek on May 21, 2009, 09:19:13 AM
Quote from: Bonk on May 20, 2009, 11:18:49 PM
Quote from: Slakee on May 20, 2009, 10:00:11 PM
Quote from: ~Apex on May 20, 2009, 09:47:30 PM
Quote from: Bonk on May 20, 2009, 09:43:38 PM
I want the asshole Cubs fan on his cell phone behind home in the dick.
Gross.
How you plan on getting in there? Innerspace?
Holy shit, I really typed that. I think that's enough beer for one night.
Kicking was supposed to be in that sentence somewhere.
I still don't think that's right.
Kicking I want the dick Cubs fan on his cell phone behind home in the asshole.
I kicking want the dick Cubs fan on his cell phone behind home in the asshole.
I want kicking the dick Cubs fan on his cell phone behind home in the asshole.
I want the kicking dick Cubs fan on his cell phone behind home in the asshole.
I want the dick kicking Cubs fan on his cell phone behind home in the asshole.
I want the dick Cubs kicking fan on his cell phone behind home in the asshole.
I want the dick Cubs fan kicking on his cell phone behind home in the asshole.
I want the dick Cubs fan on kicking his cell phone behind home in the asshole.
I want the dick Cubs fan on his kicking cell phone behind home in the asshole.
I want the dick Cubs fan on his cell kicking phone behind home in the asshole.
I want the dick Cubs fan on his cell phone kicking behind home in the asshole.
I want the dick Cubs fan on his cell phone behind kicking home in the asshole.
I want the dick Cubs fan on his cell phone behind home kicking in the asshole.
I want the dick Cubs fan on his cell phone behind home in kicking the asshole.
I want the dick Cubs fan on his cell phone behind home in the kicking asshole.
I want the dick Cubs fan on his cell phone behind home in the asshole kicking .
I admire your dedication to research.
Quote from: morpheus on May 21, 2009, 09:23:41 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 21, 2009, 03:54:01 AM
Jay-Cutt(l)er
What does this mean?
I was pretty hammered--but I think that the 'Cutter' would be a good nickname. I think that's what it means.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 21, 2009, 02:24:28 PM
Quote from: morpheus on May 21, 2009, 09:23:41 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 21, 2009, 03:54:01 AM
Jay-Cutt(l)er
What does this mean?
I was pretty hammered--but I think that the 'Cutter' would be a good nickname. I think that's what it means.
Upon reading that nickname the first person I thought of was Ted Lilly.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 21, 2009, 02:24:28 PM
Quote from: morpheus on May 21, 2009, 09:23:41 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 21, 2009, 03:54:01 AM
Jay-Cutt(l)er
What does this mean?
I was pretty hammered--but I think that the 'Cutter' would be a good nickname. I think that's what it means.
It is because he slices through defenses up like a SURGEON!?!
I originally made a typo and wrote "STURGEON," but changed it. I probably should have just left it, because it makes as much sense as "Cutter."
Quote from: Eli on May 21, 2009, 02:27:20 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 21, 2009, 02:24:28 PM
Quote from: morpheus on May 21, 2009, 09:23:41 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 21, 2009, 03:54:01 AM
Jay-Cutt(l)er
What does this mean?
I was pretty hammered--but I think that the 'Cutter' would be a good nickname. I think that's what it means.
It is because he slices through defenses up like a SURGEON!?!
I originally made a typo and wrote "STURGEON," but changed it. I probably should have just left it, because it makes as much sense as "Cutter."
You made up that whole scenario just to get in a dig didn't you?
Butt-ler. You know, since he's wearing No. 6.
Quote from: Slakee on May 21, 2009, 02:28:16 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 21, 2009, 02:27:20 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 21, 2009, 02:24:28 PM
Quote from: morpheus on May 21, 2009, 09:23:41 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 21, 2009, 03:54:01 AM
Jay-Cutt(l)er
What does this mean?
I was pretty hammered--but I think that the 'Cutter' would be a good nickname. I think that's what it means.
It is because he slices through defenses up like a SURGEON!?!
I originally made a typo and wrote "STURGEON," but changed it. I probably should have just left it, because it makes as much sense as "Cutter."
You made up that whole scenario just to get in a dig didn't you?
Not this time.
DPD. Also, in regards to the actual thread, the Cubs are averaging 5.6 runs a game in May.
Quote from: Eli on May 21, 2009, 02:40:31 PM
DPD. Also, in regards to the actual thread, the Cubs are averaging 5.6 runs a game in May.
Statfaggot.
Quote from: Eli on May 21, 2009, 02:40:31 PM
DPD. Also, in regards to the actual thread, the Cubs are averaging 5.6 runs a game in May.
I don't think this thread was created to reflect the entire month of May.
Not saying it's right or wrong, just saying.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 21, 2009, 02:42:30 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 21, 2009, 02:40:31 PM
DPD. Also, in regards to the actual thread, the Cubs are averaging 5.6 runs a game in May.
I don't think this thread was created to reflect the entire month of May.
Not saying it's right or wrong, just saying.
Make sure and let us know when the month's over.
Quote from: Fork on May 21, 2009, 02:44:44 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 21, 2009, 02:42:30 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 21, 2009, 02:40:31 PM
DPD. Also, in regards to the actual thread, the Cubs are averaging 5.6 runs a game in May.
I don't think this thread was created to reflect the entire month of May.
Not saying it's right or wrong, just saying.
Make sure and let us know when the month's over.
Do you not have access to a calendar?
Quote from: PenFoe on May 21, 2009, 02:48:10 PM
Quote from: Fork on May 21, 2009, 02:44:44 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 21, 2009, 02:42:30 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 21, 2009, 02:40:31 PM
DPD. Also, in regards to the actual thread, the Cubs are averaging 5.6 runs a game in May.
I don't think this thread was created to reflect the entire month of May.
Not saying it's right or wrong, just saying.
Make sure and let us know when the month's over.
Do you not have access to a calendar?
He does, but it is that damn Aztec thing and it is too bulky to carry around.
Quote from: CBStew on May 21, 2009, 02:54:28 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 21, 2009, 02:48:10 PM
Quote from: Fork on May 21, 2009, 02:44:44 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 21, 2009, 02:42:30 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 21, 2009, 02:40:31 PM
DPD. Also, in regards to the actual thread, the Cubs are averaging 5.6 runs a game in May.
I don't think this thread was created to reflect the entire month of May.
Not saying it's right or wrong, just saying.
Make sure and let us know when the month's over.
Do you not have access to a calendar?
He does, but it is that damn Aztec thing and it is too bulky to carry around.
Yes, I could see how that would be true.
(http://www.edmunds.com/media/news/column/letterstotheediors/02.jul/02.pontiac.aztek.f34.500.jpg)
Quote from: PenFoe on May 21, 2009, 02:56:54 PM
Quote from: CBStew on May 21, 2009, 02:54:28 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 21, 2009, 02:48:10 PM
Quote from: Fork on May 21, 2009, 02:44:44 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 21, 2009, 02:42:30 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 21, 2009, 02:40:31 PM
DPD. Also, in regards to the actual thread, the Cubs are averaging 5.6 runs a game in May.
I don't think this thread was created to reflect the entire month of May.
Not saying it's right or wrong, just saying.
Make sure and let us know when the month's over.
Do you not have access to a calendar?
He does, but it is that damn Aztec thing and it is too bulky to carry around.
Yes, I could see how that would be true.
(http://www.edmunds.com/media/news/column/letterstotheediors/02.jul/02.pontiac.aztek.f34.500.jpg)
Huey's is our resident expert on these (despite the fact that his is red).
Quote from: Slakee on May 20, 2009, 09:22:56 PM
Quote from: ~Apex on May 20, 2009, 09:21:13 PM
They do this sometimes. Slump together and threaten not to score for a week. It happened a couple times last year and we all yelled at the TV for awhile. They eventually righted the ship and made the playoffs. Then in October they thought it would be awesome to do just this very thing. I hate it when this happens. I get depressed. I start thinking about horrible things. I need to sleep and not dream. Visit death's cousin. I'll send him your love.
That's pretty much the truth. The starting pitching has been consistently good so I'm not at all concerned. Clearly they cannot get worse than this, offensively speaking.
The good times are yet to come.
That said - this is fucking irritating.
Also, the starting pitching really hasn't been THAT good. Lilly and Marshall have been terrific. The other three have underperformed. I predict that we'll come back and laugh at this thread in July. Or, if they're 14 games out at that point, at least we can come back and laugh at this post.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on May 21, 2009, 03:57:01 PM
Quote from: Slakee on May 20, 2009, 09:22:56 PM
Quote from: ~Apex on May 20, 2009, 09:21:13 PM
They do this sometimes. Slump together and threaten not to score for a week. It happened a couple times last year and we all yelled at the TV for awhile. They eventually righted the ship and made the playoffs. Then in October they thought it would be awesome to do just this very thing. I hate it when this happens. I get depressed. I start thinking about horrible things. I need to sleep and not dream. Visit death's cousin. I'll send him your love.
That's pretty much the truth. The starting pitching has been consistently good so I'm not at all concerned. Clearly they cannot get worse than this, offensively speaking.
The good times are yet to come.
That said - this is fucking irritating.
Also, the starting pitching really hasn't been THAT good. Lilly and Marshall have been terrific. The other three have underperformed. I predict that we'll come back and laugh at this thread in July. Or, if they're 14 games out at that point, at least we can come back and laugh at this post.
So one way or another we're golden! Thanks Kerm!
Quote from: Kermit, B. on May 21, 2009, 03:57:01 PM
Quote from: Slakee on May 20, 2009, 09:22:56 PM
Quote from: ~Apex on May 20, 2009, 09:21:13 PM
They do this sometimes. Slump together and threaten not to score for a week. It happened a couple times last year and we all yelled at the TV for awhile. They eventually righted the ship and made the playoffs. Then in October they thought it would be awesome to do just this very thing. I hate it when this happens. I get depressed. I start thinking about horrible things. I need to sleep and not dream. Visit death's cousin. I'll send him your love.
That's pretty much the truth. The starting pitching has been consistently good so I'm not at all concerned. Clearly they cannot get worse than this, offensively speaking.
The good times are yet to come.
That said - this is fucking irritating.
Also, the starting pitching really hasn't been THAT good. Lilly and Marshall have been terrific. The other three have underperformed. I predict that we'll come back and laugh at this thread in July. Or, if they're 14 games out at that point, at least we can come back and laugh at this post.
We could also always reference this:
Quote from: Mike D. on November 23, 2004, 09:41:30 AM
Harvey, Pie and Patterson, left -to-right, in 2007.
Get off Mike's case, he was projecting the outfield of the Orioles.
.
Aaron Miles. The New Neifi.
Two damned runs in the last four games? Seriously?
Every single player on this team better be taking someone home from the bar at 3 a.m. tonight.
I'm really glad the Cubs didn't re-sign Edmonds and get Orlando Hudson, who between them would make half of what Badley's making to hit .184. Way to go, Hendry.
Fuck this team with a limp dick.
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on May 22, 2009, 11:47:50 PM
Aaron Miles. The New Neifi.
Mike Fontenot, the New Aaron Miles.
The new Mike Tyson. Not the boxer.
Where the hell are the bats?
If Jim Edmonds is the answer, could you repeat the question?
Other people pointed it out -- lots of underperformers, lots of guys missing time, etc. But, still, it would be nice to see someone in a Cubs uniform cross home plate sometime soon. Anytime. Soon. NOW.
I'm not suggesting Edmonds is the answer, but the $10M the team is paying Badley would be better served being set ablaze. I'd rather see Edmonds on the team for $500K and see the remaining $9.5M used elsewhere.
Like on a second baseman that could either field or hit above .220 or maybe a reliever that could get an out occasionally.
Quote from: Bonk on May 23, 2009, 03:17:36 AM
I'm not suggesting Edmonds is the answer, but the $10M the team is paying Badley would be better served being set ablaze. I'd rather see Edmonds on the team for $500K and see the remaining $9.5M used elsewhere.
Like on a second baseman that could either field or hit above .220 or maybe a reliever that could get an out occasionally.
Bullpen's been fine.
Heileman, on the other hand, may need to be launched into god's country.
Quote from: Bonk on May 23, 2009, 03:17:36 AM
I'm not suggesting Edmonds is the answer, but the $10M the team is paying Badley would be better served being set ablaze. I'd rather see Edmonds on the team for $500K and see the remaining $9.5M used elsewhere.
Like on a second baseman that could either field or hit above .220 or maybe a reliever that could get an out occasionally.
Where did Edmonds say he'd come back for $500K? I would think he'd want something in the 5-6 million range.
Quote from: Simmer on May 23, 2009, 01:02:26 AM
Where the hell are the bats?
Lee - Gone and likely never to return
A Sor - In the middle of one of his patented slumps
A Ram - DL
Soto - injury
Fontenot - who knows
Jacque Bradley - Who knows
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 23, 2009, 10:29:20 AM
Jacque Bradley
I know you're gonna try (and try and try and try) to make this stick, but that dog won't hunt, mijo.
Quote from: Tank on May 23, 2009, 10:46:12 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 23, 2009, 10:29:20 AM
Jacque Bradley
I know you're gonna try (and try and try and try) to make this stick, but that dog won't hunt, mijo.
I will be the first to link to this after Bradley's 23-for-51 streak in July brings his average to .290 on the season.
Quote from: Brownie on May 23, 2009, 08:57:59 AM
Quote from: Bonk on May 23, 2009, 03:17:36 AM
I'm not suggesting Edmonds is the answer, but the $10M the team is paying Badley would be better served being set ablaze. I'd rather see Edmonds on the team for $500K and see the remaining $9.5M used elsewhere.
Like on a second baseman that could either field or hit above .220 or maybe a reliever that could get an out occasionally.
Where did Edmonds say he'd come back for $500K? I would think he'd want something in the 5-6 million range.
If Lassie were willing to play for a half-rock, he'd be in uniform somewhere.
Quote from: MAD on May 23, 2009, 10:50:13 AM
Quote from: Tank on May 23, 2009, 10:46:12 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 23, 2009, 10:29:20 AM
Jacque Bradley
I know you're gonna try (and try and try and try) to make this stick, but that dog won't hunt, mijo.
I will be the first to link to this after Bradley's 23-for-51 streak in July brings his average to .290 on the season.
I think Chuck formally announced his intention to start calling Bradley "Uncle Jock" after Unkie Martin made the diving/skidding catch on Khalil's shallow sac fly Wednesday... because he failed to make a perfect throw home to get Duncan while scrambling to get off the turf.
Quote from: Tank on May 23, 2009, 11:00:47 AM
Quote from: MAD on May 23, 2009, 10:50:13 AM
Quote from: Tank on May 23, 2009, 10:46:12 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 23, 2009, 10:29:20 AM
Jacque Bradley
I know you're gonna try (and try and try and try) to make this stick, but that dog won't hunt, mijo.
I will be the first to link to this after Bradley's 23-for-51 streak in July brings his average to .290 on the season.
I think Chuck formally announced his intention to start calling Bradley "Uncle Jock" after Unkie Martin made the diving/skidding catch on Khalil's shallow sac fly Wednesday... because he failed to make a perfect throw home to get Duncan while scrambling to get off the turf.
Intrepid Reader: Wittenmyer
Oh, I just thought it was because they are both black. Racist cubs fans!
Quote from: MAD on May 23, 2009, 10:50:13 AM
Quote from: Tank on May 23, 2009, 10:46:12 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 23, 2009, 10:29:20 AM
Jacque Bradley
I know you're gonna try (and try and try and try) to make this stick, but that dog won't hunt, mijo.
I will be the first to link to this after Bradley's 23-for-51 streak in July brings his average to .290 on the season.
Carry that flag Mike! Most of you idiots will be eating shit sandwiches when Milt tears it up all summer.
this is what the Cubs have done in the playoffs the last two years, fold to good pitching.
Quote from: Slakee on May 23, 2009, 12:15:22 PM
Quote from: MAD on May 23, 2009, 10:50:13 AM
Quote from: Tank on May 23, 2009, 10:46:12 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 23, 2009, 10:29:20 AM
Jacque Bradley
I know you're gonna try (and try and try and try) to make this stick, but that dog won't hunt, mijo.
I will be the first to link to this after Bradley's 23-for-51 streak in July brings his average to .290 on the season.
Carry that flag Mike! Most of you idiots will be eating shit sandwiches when Milt tears it up all summer.
I would just like to request that Milt get a early start on said tearing it up.
Quote from: Slakee on May 23, 2009, 12:15:22 PM
Quote from: MAD on May 23, 2009, 10:50:13 AM
Quote from: Tank on May 23, 2009, 10:46:12 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 23, 2009, 10:29:20 AM
Jacque Bradley
I know you're gonna try (and try and try and try) to make this stick, but that dog won't hunt, mijo.
I will be the first to link to this after Bradley's 23-for-51 streak in July brings his average to .290 on the season.
Carry that flag Mike! Most of you idiots will be eating shit sandwiches when Milt tears it up all summer.
So far you have been eating 2 months worth of shit sandwiches with Milton Bradley.
The season started in April, anytime sweet cheeks would like to hit would be really nice.
Quote from: MikeC on May 23, 2009, 12:53:14 PM
Quote from: Slakee on May 23, 2009, 12:15:22 PM
Quote from: MAD on May 23, 2009, 10:50:13 AM
Quote from: Tank on May 23, 2009, 10:46:12 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 23, 2009, 10:29:20 AM
Jacque Bradley
I know you're gonna try (and try and try and try) to make this stick, but that dog won't hunt, mijo.
I will be the first to link to this after Bradley's 23-for-51 streak in July brings his average to .290 on the season.
Carry that flag Mike! Most of you idiots will be eating shit sandwiches when Milt tears it up all summer.
So far you have been eating 2 months worth of shit sandwiches with Milton Bradley.
The season started in April, anytime sweet cheeks would like to hit would be really nice.
I hope he hits under .100 just to piss you off.
Quote from: Tank on May 23, 2009, 11:00:47 AM
I think Chuck formally announced his intention to start calling Bradley "Uncle Jock" after Unkie Martin made the diving/skidding catch on Khalil's shallow sac fly Wednesday... because he failed to make a perfect throw home to get Duncan while scrambling to get off the turf.
Well, he's been hitting like Jacque the whole time (save a grand slam to beat the Cards). And his three hop dribbler just made the picture complete.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 23, 2009, 04:34:09 PM
Quote from: Tank on May 23, 2009, 11:00:47 AM
I think Chuck formally announced his intention to start calling Bradley "Uncle Jock" after Unkie Martin made the diving/skidding catch on Khalil's shallow sac fly Wednesday... because he failed to make a perfect throw home to get Duncan while scrambling to get off the turf.
Well, he's been hitting like Jacque the whole time (save a grand slam to beat the Cards). And his three hop dribbler just made the picture complete.
I'm pretty sure I said he'd be a bust all year. I'm just sayin' that I was sayin'.
.
Bump.
That instead of starting a thread called "Can the Cubs ever advance a runner that gets on to lead off an inning?"
Quote from: Bonk on May 28, 2009, 08:45:30 PM
Bump.
That instead of starting a thread called "Can the Cubs ever advance a runner that gets on to lead off an inning?"
Fuck this team. I actually get excited watching an inning for probably the first time all year, and these dipshits strand another three. Cocksuckers.
Fuckin' A.
Intrepid Reader: Randy Wells
Is it too late for me to go back to Iowa?
Quote from: Weebs on May 28, 2009, 09:59:44 PM
Quote from: Bonk on May 28, 2009, 08:45:30 PM
Bump.
That instead of starting a thread called "Can the Cubs ever advance a runner that gets on to lead off an inning?"
Fuck this team. I actually get excited watching an inning for probably the first time all year, and these dipshits strand another three. Cocksuckers.
You're awesome, too.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 28, 2009, 10:18:20 PM
Intrepid Reader: Randy Wells
Is it too late for me to go back to Iowa?
Huh?
Quote from: MAD on May 29, 2009, 08:48:57 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 28, 2009, 10:18:20 PM
Intrepid Reader: Randy Wells
Is it too late for me to go back to Iowa?
Huh?
Given that the I-Cubs on the "major league" roster scored 1 run yesterday and the "regular" Cubs scored zero, maybe Wells would want to go to Des Moines to play with the better team.
God damn that game sucked last night. Too many DPs (no homo) for me to count on my non-opposable-thumbed paw, and the 8th and 9th innings were terrible. It's always fun when Soriano is in his "swing at every pitch no matter how godawful with men on base" mode. And what the hell was he thinking with that bunt attempt? I have to say I'm looking forward to seeing Chunk Fox play some more third base. I think he nearly sharted his drawers when that hot shot was hit at him in the 9th.
Quote from: RV on May 29, 2009, 09:06:11 AM
God damn that game sucked last night. Too many DPs (no homo) for me to count on my non-opposable-thumbed paw, and the 8th and 9th innings were terrible. It's always fun when Soriano is in his "swing at every pitch no matter how godawful with men on base" mode. And what the hell was he thinking with that bunt attempt? I have to say I'm looking forward to seeing Chunk Fox play some more third base. I think he nearly sharted his drawers when that hot shot was hit at him in the 9th.
That Soriano AB was a complete embarrassment last night.
Theriot following it up with a DP was obviously killer as well.
Granted, SCALES has got to make some contact in the 9th, and Jake had a chance too, but Soriano really takes the cake for that pathetic attempt.
It was like watching Sosa at his very worst.
At some point, when a team is struggling, the "stars" have got to be the ones to put the team on their back.
With Aramis out and Milton apparently not very good at baseball, that leaves Soriano.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2009, 11:07:31 AM
At some point, when a team is struggling, the "stars" have got to be the ones to put the team on their back.
With Aramis out and Milton apparently not very good at baseball, that leaves Soriano.
He's not very good at baseball, either. He does get 3 or 4 hitting spurts a year that last a week or so that fake everyone out, but he remains an awful, awful baseball player.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 29, 2009, 11:15:08 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2009, 11:07:31 AM
At some point, when a team is struggling, the "stars" have got to be the ones to put the team on their back.
With Aramis out and Milton apparently not very good at baseball, that leaves Soriano.
He's not very good at baseball, either. He does get 3 or 4 hitting spurts a year that last a week or so that fake everyone out, but he remains an awful, awful baseball player.
Let's review: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/soriaal01.shtml
Lifetime OPS of .845. Lifetime OPS+ of 116. As a Cub, those are .876 and 119 respectively. However, I grant you that if we take out the "fake-out" times (i.e., the times he plays baseball well) then his numbers probably are not as good.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 29, 2009, 11:15:08 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2009, 11:07:31 AM
At some point, when a team is struggling, the "stars" have got to be the ones to put the team on their back.
With Aramis out and Milton apparently not very good at baseball, that leaves Soriano.
He's not very good at baseball, either. He does get 3 or 4 hitting spurts a year that last a week or so that fake everyone out, but he remains an awful, awful baseball player. I'm a parody of myself! Yay!
FYC'd.
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2009, 11:27:01 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 29, 2009, 11:15:08 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2009, 11:07:31 AM
At some point, when a team is struggling, the "stars" have got to be the ones to put the team on their back.
With Aramis out and Milton apparently not very good at baseball, that leaves Soriano.
He's not very good at baseball, either. He does get 3 or 4 hitting spurts a year that last a week or so that fake everyone out, but he remains an awful, awful baseball player. I'm a parody of myself! Yay!
FYC'd.
Internet Chuck is my favorite fictional character.
Quote from: Jon on May 29, 2009, 11:29:00 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2009, 11:27:01 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 29, 2009, 11:15:08 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2009, 11:07:31 AM
At some point, when a team is struggling, the "stars" have got to be the ones to put the team on their back.
With Aramis out and Milton apparently not very good at baseball, that leaves Soriano.
He's not very good at baseball, either. He does get 3 or 4 hitting spurts a year that last a week or so that fake everyone out, but he remains an awful, awful baseball player. I'm a parody of myself! Yay!
FYC'd.
Internet Chuck is my favorite fictional character.
He fucked a barrel full of rice and got it pregnant. A big pile of rice popped out.
Quote from: morpheus on May 29, 2009, 11:25:08 AM
Let's review: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/soriaal01.shtml
Lifetime OPS of .845. Lifetime OPS+ of 116. As a Cub, those are .876 and 119 respectively. However, I grant you that if we take out the "fake-out" times (i.e., the times he plays baseball well) then his numbers probably are not as good.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kingmda01.shtml
Dave Kingman: Lifetime OPS of .780, but lifetime OPS+ of 116. As a Cub, those are .907 and 137 respectively.
Cub Kingman > Cub Soriano via OPS analysis.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 29, 2009, 11:58:17 AM
Quote from: morpheus on May 29, 2009, 11:25:08 AM
Let's review: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/soriaal01.shtml
Lifetime OPS of .845. Lifetime OPS+ of 116. As a Cub, those are .876 and 119 respectively. However, I grant you that if we take out the "fake-out" times (i.e., the times he plays baseball well) then his numbers probably are not as good.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kingmda01.shtml
Dave Kingman: Lifetime OPS of .780, but lifetime OPS+ of 116. As a Cub, those are .907 and 137 respectively.
Cub Kingman > Cub Soriano via OPS analysis.
It could very well be, Chuck, that Dave Kingman was worth more to the Cubs than you seem to think.
Al Yellon: "Hoffpauir sucked during his September callup if you exclude the games where he got hits."
Chuck: "Soriano was terrible unless you include the once-a-month week-and-a-half spurts where he's the best hitter you'd see anywhere."
Quote from: Brownie on May 29, 2009, 12:15:49 PM
Al Yellon: "Hoffpauir sucked during his September callup if you exclude the games where he got hits."
Chuck: "Soriano was is terrible unless you include the once-a every-other-month week-and-a-half spurts where he's the best hitter you'd see anywhere which makes him tolerable so long as you ignore his defense."
Quote from: Apexx on May 29, 2009, 11:31:57 AM
Quote from: Jon on May 29, 2009, 11:29:00 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2009, 11:27:01 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 29, 2009, 11:15:08 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2009, 11:07:31 AM
At some point, when a team is struggling, the "stars" have got to be the ones to put the team on their back.
With Aramis out and Milton apparently not very good at baseball, that leaves Soriano.
He's not very good at baseball, either. He does get 3 or 4 hitting spurts a year that last a week or so that fake everyone out, but he remains an awful, awful baseball player. I'm a parody of myself! Yay!
FYC'd.
Internet Chuck is my favorite fictional character.
He fucked a barrel full of rice and got it pregnant. A big pile of rice popped out.
Pex, I appreciate you trying to keep it fresh, but you've gotta dump this bit.
It's bombing.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 29, 2009, 12:23:35 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 29, 2009, 12:15:49 PM
Al Yellon: "Hoffpauir sucked during his September callup if you exclude the games where he got hits."
Chuck: "Soriano was is terrible unless you include the once-a every-other-month week-and-a-half spurts where he's the best hitter you'd see anywhere which makes him tolerable so long as you ignore his defense."
Question about your avatar, did the cubs install an actual vending machine in their dugout?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 29, 2009, 12:23:35 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 29, 2009, 12:15:49 PM
Al Yellon: "Hoffpauir sucked during his September callup if you exclude the games where he got hits."
Chuck: "Soriano was is terrible unless you include the once-a every-other-month week-and-a-half spurts where he's the best hitter you'd see anywhere which makes him tolerable so long as you ignore his defense."
You really think that his defensive shortcomings overcome his offensive skills? Luckily, they make statistics on fielding too.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/soriaal01-field.shtml
Let's take 2008 as an example. If you want to use fielding percentage, his was .975 versus league average .985 in LF. A little below average. The R
tot, which is a comprehensive runs above average statistic, was 1.7. i.e, he
CREATED 1.7 runs above average during the year with his defense. At least, you'd have to call him an average fielder, unless you want to ignore all numerical evidence and go with the Gary Hughes method.
In summary: above average on offense, average to above average on defense. That does not equal awful, awful.
Quote from: morpheus on May 29, 2009, 12:55:46 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 29, 2009, 12:23:35 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 29, 2009, 12:15:49 PM
Al Yellon: "Hoffpauir sucked during his September callup if you exclude the games where he got hits."
Chuck: "Soriano was is terrible unless you include the once-a every-other-month week-and-a-half spurts where he's the best hitter you'd see anywhere which makes him tolerable so long as you ignore his defense."
You really think that his defensive shortcomings overcome his offensive skills? Luckily, they make statistics on fielding too.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/soriaal01-field.shtml
Let's take 2008 as an example. If you want to use fielding percentage, his was .975 versus league average .985 in LF. A little below average. The Rtot, which is a comprehensive runs above average statistic, was 1.7. i.e, he CREATED 1.7 runs above average during the year with his defense. At least, you'd have to call him an average fielder, unless you want to ignore all numerical evidence and go with the Gary Hughes method.
In summary: above average on offense, average to above average on defense. That does not equal awful, awful.
Rebuttal: Dave Kingman
Quote from: morpheus on May 29, 2009, 12:55:46 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 29, 2009, 12:23:35 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 29, 2009, 12:15:49 PM
Al Yellon: "Hoffpauir sucked during his September callup if you exclude the games where he got hits."
Chuck: "Soriano was is terrible unless you include the once-a every-other-month week-and-a-half spurts where he's the best hitter you'd see anywhere which makes him tolerable so long as you ignore his defense."
You really think that his defensive shortcomings overcome his offensive skills? Luckily, they make statistics on fielding too.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/soriaal01-field.shtml
Let's take 2008 as an example. If you want to use fielding percentage, his was .975 versus league average .985 in LF. A little below average. The Rtot, which is a comprehensive runs above average statistic, was 1.7. i.e, he CREATED 1.7 runs above average during the year with his defense. At least, you'd have to call him an average fielder, unless you want to ignore all numerical evidence and go with the Gary Hughes method.
In summary: above average on offense, average to above average on defense. That does not equal awful, awful.
Baseball Reference does not track one's TORP rating.
Quote from: CT III on May 29, 2009, 12:53:11 PM
Quote from: Apexx on May 29, 2009, 11:31:57 AM
Quote from: Jon on May 29, 2009, 11:29:00 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2009, 11:27:01 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 29, 2009, 11:15:08 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2009, 11:07:31 AM
At some point, when a team is struggling, the "stars" have got to be the ones to put the team on their back.
With Aramis out and Milton apparently not very good at baseball, that leaves Soriano.
He's not very good at baseball, either. He does get 3 or 4 hitting spurts a year that last a week or so that fake everyone out, but he remains an awful, awful baseball player. I'm a parody of myself! Yay!
FYC'd.
Internet Chuck is my favorite fictional character.
He fucked a barrel full of rice and got it pregnant. A big pile of rice popped out.
Pex, I appreciate you trying to keep it fresh, but you've gotta dump this bit.
It's bombing.
:(
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 29, 2009, 11:15:08 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2009, 11:07:31 AM
At some point, when a team is struggling, the "stars" have got to be the ones to put the team on their back.
With Aramis out and Milton apparently not very good at baseball, that leaves Soriano.
He's not very good at baseball, either. He does get 3 or 4 hitting spurts a year that last a week or so that fake everyone out, but he remains an awful, awful baseball player.
God damn, you're dumb about baseball. No wonder you and Kaplan only have each other as "sources."
How can we fail to get a bunch of runs with today's lineup? Scales at third. Fontenot at second. Blanco at short. Hill catching. Oh yeah. Lee at first and Soriano in left.
According to my baseball mainframe, over the last 67 non-Pirate innings this offense has scored 6 stinking runs. Woof.
Quote from: CBStew on May 29, 2009, 02:05:04 PM
How can we fail to get a bunch of runs with today's lineup? Scales at third. Fontenot at second. Blanco at short. Hill catching. Oh yeah. Lee at first and Soriano in left.
I got excited for a second. I thought you said Soriano left.
Quote from: CBStew on May 29, 2009, 02:05:04 PM
How can we fail to get a bunch of runs with today's lineup? Scales at third. Fontenot at second. Blanco at short. Hill catching. Oh yeah. Lee at first and Soriano in left.
HOFFPOWAKER IN RF DUMMIEESZZZZ
PS: I didn't quite know where to put this, but being a regular skimmer of Rotoworld I sometimes notice that they can bring the chuckle from time to time. They had to say this about Andres Blanco's hitting:
"Ryan Theriot was held out of Friday's lineup with flu-like symptoms.
Andres Blanco will start in his place at shortstop. Keep in mind, however, that Blanco suffers at the plate from Rey Ordonez-like symptoms."ZING!
Nevertheless. We gave them a sound thrashing!
Quote from: morpheus on May 29, 2009, 12:55:46 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 29, 2009, 12:23:35 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 29, 2009, 12:15:49 PM
Al Yellon: "Hoffpauir sucked during his September callup if you exclude the games where he got hits."
Chuck: "Soriano was is terrible unless you include the once-a every-other-month week-and-a-half spurts where he's the best hitter you'd see anywhere which makes him tolerable so long as you ignore his defense."
You really think that his defensive shortcomings overcome his offensive skills? Luckily, they make statistics on fielding too.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/soriaal01-field.shtml
Let's take 2008 as an example. If you want to use fielding percentage, his was .975 versus league average .985 in LF. A little below average. The Rtot, which is a comprehensive runs above average statistic, was 1.7. i.e, he CREATED 1.7 runs above average during the year with his defense. At least, you'd have to call him an average fielder, unless you want to ignore all numerical evidence and go with the Gary Hughes method.
In summary: above average on offense, average to above average on defense. That does not equal awful, awful.
You mean he created runs for opponents, right?
Seriously, how can someone with a below average fielding percentage be considered above average?
Quote from: Bonk on May 29, 2009, 04:39:09 PM
Quote from: morpheus on May 29, 2009, 12:55:46 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 29, 2009, 12:23:35 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 29, 2009, 12:15:49 PM
Al Yellon: "Hoffpauir sucked during his September callup if you exclude the games where he got hits."
Chuck: "Soriano was is terrible unless you include the once-a every-other-month week-and-a-half spurts where he's the best hitter you'd see anywhere which makes him tolerable so long as you ignore his defense."
You really think that his defensive shortcomings overcome his offensive skills? Luckily, they make statistics on fielding too.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/soriaal01-field.shtml
Let's take 2008 as an example. If you want to use fielding percentage, his was .975 versus league average .985 in LF. A little below average. The Rtot, which is a comprehensive runs above average statistic, was 1.7. i.e, he CREATED 1.7 runs above average during the year with his defense. At least, you'd have to call him an average fielder, unless you want to ignore all numerical evidence and go with the Gary Hughes method.
In summary: above average on offense, average to above average on defense. That does not equal awful, awful.
You mean he created runs for opponents, right?
Seriously, how can someone with a below average fielding percentage be considered above average?
No, he created runs for the Cubs above an average left fielder. Fielding percentage is a deeply flawed statistic, as any statfaggot will tell you. Even if you do think it works to differentiate good fielders from bad, .975 is not statistically significantly different from .985 anyway... so call him average in the field if you like. Chuck's contention is that he's so awful in the field that his above average offense is overcome. I have proven here that Chuck is wrong. Rule 10.17(c) applies.
Quote from: Bonk on May 29, 2009, 04:39:09 PM
Quote from: morpheus on May 29, 2009, 12:55:46 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 29, 2009, 12:23:35 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 29, 2009, 12:15:49 PM
Al Yellon: "Hoffpauir sucked during his September callup if you exclude the games where he got hits."
Chuck: "Soriano was is terrible unless you include the once-a every-other-month week-and-a-half spurts where he's the best hitter you'd see anywhere which makes him tolerable so long as you ignore his defense."
You really think that his defensive shortcomings overcome his offensive skills? Luckily, they make statistics on fielding too.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/soriaal01-field.shtml
Let's take 2008 as an example. If you want to use fielding percentage, his was .975 versus league average .985 in LF. A little below average. The Rtot, which is a comprehensive runs above average statistic, was 1.7. i.e, he CREATED 1.7 runs above average during the year with his defense. At least, you'd have to call him an average fielder, unless you want to ignore all numerical evidence and go with the Gary Hughes method.
In summary: above average on offense, average to above average on defense. That does not equal awful, awful.
You mean he created runs for opponents, right?
Seriously, how can someone with a below average fielding percentage be considered above average?
Maybe because he throws out a shitload of runners?
Quote from: Bonk on May 29, 2009, 04:39:09 PM
Quote from: morpheus on May 29, 2009, 12:55:46 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 29, 2009, 12:23:35 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 29, 2009, 12:15:49 PM
Al Yellon: "Hoffpauir sucked during his September callup if you exclude the games where he got hits."
Chuck: "Soriano was is terrible unless you include the once-a every-other-month week-and-a-half spurts where he's the best hitter you'd see anywhere which makes him tolerable so long as you ignore his defense."
You really think that his defensive shortcomings overcome his offensive skills? Luckily, they make statistics on fielding too.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/soriaal01-field.shtml
Let's take 2008 as an example. If you want to use fielding percentage, his was .975 versus league average .985 in LF. A little below average. The Rtot, which is a comprehensive runs above average statistic, was 1.7. i.e, he CREATED 1.7 runs above average during the year with his defense. At least, you'd have to call him an average fielder, unless you want to ignore all numerical evidence and go with the Gary Hughes method.
In summary: above average on offense, average to above average on defense. That does not equal awful, awful.
You mean he created runs for opponents, right?
Seriously, how can someone with a below average fielding percentage be considered above average?
By throwing dudes out at the plate?
RVFACED.
I think 10.17(c) might also apply to Bonk.
Quote from: Jon on May 29, 2009, 05:48:39 PM
I think 10.17(c) might also apply to Bonk.
You're only saying that because you have Awfulonso's dick hanging out of your mouth.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2009, 05:55:52 PM
Quote from: Jon on May 29, 2009, 05:48:39 PM
I think 10.17(c) might also apply to Bonk.
You're only saying that because you have Awfulonso's dick hanging out of your mouth.
Well, I'm just typing it. I can't talk around that cock.
Quote from: Apexx on May 29, 2009, 04:47:50 PM
Quote from: Bonk on May 29, 2009, 04:39:09 PM
Quote from: morpheus on May 29, 2009, 12:55:46 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 29, 2009, 12:23:35 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 29, 2009, 12:15:49 PM
Al Yellon: "Hoffpauir sucked during his September callup if you exclude the games where he got hits."
Chuck: "Soriano was is terrible unless you include the once-a every-other-month week-and-a-half spurts where he's the best hitter you'd see anywhere which makes him tolerable so long as you ignore his defense."
You really think that his defensive shortcomings overcome his offensive skills? Luckily, they make statistics on fielding too.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/soriaal01-field.shtml
Let's take 2008 as an example. If you want to use fielding percentage, his was .975 versus league average .985 in LF. A little below average. The Rtot, which is a comprehensive runs above average statistic, was 1.7. i.e, he CREATED 1.7 runs above average during the year with his defense. At least, you'd have to call him an average fielder, unless you want to ignore all numerical evidence and go with the Gary Hughes method.
In summary: above average on offense, average to above average on defense. That does not equal awful, awful.
You mean he created runs for opponents, right?
Seriously, how can someone with a below average fielding percentage be considered above average?
By throwing dudes out at the plate?
RVFACED.
So how does it measure his stupid ass not hustling and then throwing to third, allowing a runner to advance to second in the process? You want a defensive stat? His shitty defense cost the Cubs two runs in two days.
There's no fucking way anyone with a straight face can tell me he's a better-than-average defensive player, I don't care what the statfags say.
EDIT: According to baseball-reference.com, his career fielding percentage in left field is .971. It's .951 this year. So 2008 was actually above average for him.
Quote from: Bonk on May 29, 2009, 09:24:31 PM
So how does it measure his stupid ass not hustling and then throwing to third, allowing a runner to advance to second in the process? You want a defensive stat? His shitty defense cost the Cubs two runs in two days.
There's no fucking way anyone with a straight face can tell me he's a better-than-average defensive player, I don't care what the statfags say. I HAVE A PRECONCEIVED NOTION AND NO AMOUNT OF FACTUAL EVIDENCE CAN CHANGE MY OPINION! LOUD NOISES!
Willful ignorance'd.
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2009, 09:29:13 PM
Quote from: Bonk on May 29, 2009, 09:24:31 PM
So how does it measure his stupid ass not hustling and then throwing to third, allowing a runner to advance to second in the process? You want a defensive stat? His shitty defense cost the Cubs two runs in two days.
There's no fucking way anyone with a straight face can tell me he's a better-than-average defensive player, I don't care what the statfags say. I HAVE A PRECONCEIVED NOTION AND NO AMOUNT OF FACTUAL EVIDENCE CAN CHANGE MY OPINION! LOUD NOISES!
Willful ignorance'd.
If I was 12 years old, I might actually think that was a decent rebuttal.
I was thrilled when he came here until I actually started watching him on a daily basis, then I realized he was nowhere near as good as advertised. So don't tell me I had a preconceived notion, you asslicker.
But you're right, basing an evaluation of his defense on what statfags say is a better gauge than what actually happens in games.
Quote from: Bonk on May 29, 2009, 09:33:31 PM
If I was 12 years old, I might actually think that was a decent rebuttal.
Would you like some further evidence why Soriano is an average-or-better left fielder? I am happy to provide that (although Morph already offered some compelling information), but as you already said, you don't care what the stats say. You already think and know that Soriano is a bad fielder. Which, by the way, is a neat little trick to pull while having a discussion.
Dude #1: Hey, this bowling ball weighs 14 pounds.
Dude #2: No it doesn't.
Dude #1: Yeah it does. Here, I'll go ahead and show you.
Dude #2: Fine, but you can't use a scale or any device that measures weight.
So, rather than actually make a proper rebuttal -- since you made it so abundantly clear you weren't interested in such a thing -- I pulled the old, tremendously-clever fix'd trick on you and you called me an asslicker. And here we sit, with you being just as full of wrong as you were earlier today. Happy Friday.
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2009, 09:55:19 PM
Quote from: Bonk on May 29, 2009, 09:33:31 PM
If I was 12 years old, I might actually think that was a decent rebuttal.
Would you like some further evidence why Soriano is an average-or-better left fielder? I am happy to provide that (although Morph already offered some compelling information), but as you already said, you don't care what the stats say. You already think and know that Soriano is a bad fielder. Which, by the way, is a neat little trick to pull while having a discussion.
Dude #1: Hey, this bowling ball weighs 14 pounds.
Dude #2: No it doesn't.
Dude #1: Yeah it does. Here, I'll go ahead and show you.
Dude #2: Fine, but you can't use a scale or any device that measures weight.
So, rather than actually make a proper rebuttal -- since you made it so abundantly clear you weren't interested in such a thing -- I pulled the old, tremendously-clever fix'd trick on you and you called me an asslicker. And here we sit, with you being just as full of wrong as you were earlier today. Happy Friday.
Yeah, but to be fair, you DO lick ass.
Quote from: Bonk on May 29, 2009, 09:33:31 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2009, 09:29:13 PM
Quote from: Bonk on May 29, 2009, 09:24:31 PM
So how does it measure his stupid ass not hustling and then throwing to third, allowing a runner to advance to second in the process? You want a defensive stat? His shitty defense cost the Cubs two runs in two days.
There's no fucking way anyone with a straight face can tell me he's a better-than-average defensive player, I don't care what the statfags say. I HAVE A PRECONCEIVED NOTION AND NO AMOUNT OF FACTUAL EVIDENCE CAN CHANGE MY OPINION! LOUD NOISES!
Willful ignorance'd.
If I was 12 years old, I might actually think that was a decent rebuttal.
I was thrilled when he came here until I actually started watching him on a daily basis, then I realized he was nowhere near as good as advertised. So don't tell me I had a preconceived notion, you asslicker.
But you're right, basing an evaluation of his defense on what statfags say is a better gauge than what actually happens in games.
Oh wait, you're being serious? At first I thought you were just playing the part of 'ignorant failed abortion guy' so we could rebut your mongoloid arguments for the benefit of the
actual knuckle-dragging goon squad who might be unable to type out words. In which case you'd be providing a valuable service for those less fortunate, which is worthwhile. But I was mistaken.
Here, instead of hanging out with all of us number-crunching fagfaces and reading our cum-guzzling arguments we compose from our laptops covered in Obama spunk (I just remembered you were that guy too, you're even more entertaining than I thought) why don't you go hang out at a site where you can call a spade a fag, baseball is played on REAL fields by hulking, sweaty hunks of man meat, and sophistry like yours will be appreciated:
http://badnewscubs.wordpress.com/ (http://badnewscubs.wordpress.com/)
Quote from: Fork on May 29, 2009, 10:49:30 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2009, 09:55:19 PM
Quote from: Bonk on May 29, 2009, 09:33:31 PM
If I was 12 years old, I might actually think that was a decent rebuttal.
Would you like some further evidence why Soriano is an average-or-better left fielder? I am happy to provide that (although Morph already offered some compelling information), but as you already said, you don't care what the stats say. You already think and know that Soriano is a bad fielder. Which, by the way, is a neat little trick to pull while having a discussion.
Dude #1: Hey, this bowling ball weighs 14 pounds.
Dude #2: No it doesn't.
Dude #1: Yeah it does. Here, I'll go ahead and show you.
Dude #2: Fine, but you can't use a scale or any device that measures weight.
So, rather than actually make a proper rebuttal -- since you made it so abundantly clear you weren't interested in such a thing -- I pulled the old, tremendously-clever fix'd trick on you and you called me an asslicker. And here we sit, with you being just as full of wrong as you were earlier today. Happy Friday.
Yeah, but to be fair, you DO lick ass.
I have no stats to refute this statement.
I hope this team starts winning soon so the message board becomes readable again.
Quote from: Bonk on May 29, 2009, 09:33:31 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2009, 09:29:13 PM
Quote from: Bonk on May 29, 2009, 09:24:31 PM
So how does it measure his stupid ass not hustling and then throwing to third, allowing a runner to advance to second in the process? You want a defensive stat? His shitty defense cost the Cubs two runs in two days.
There's no fucking way anyone with a straight face can tell me he's a better-than-average defensive player, I don't care what the statfags say. I HAVE A PRECONCEIVED NOTION AND NO AMOUNT OF FACTUAL EVIDENCE CAN CHANGE MY OPINION! LOUD NOISES!
Willful ignorance'd.
If I was 12 years old, I might actually think that was a decent rebuttal.
I was thrilled when he came here until I actually started watching him on a daily basis, then I realized he was nowhere near as good as advertised. So don't tell me I had a preconceived notion, you asslicker.
But you're right, basing an evaluation of his defense on what statfags say is a better gauge than what actually happens in games.
Your failure at irony is seriously painful.
I like how some people on this board give me shit all the time, but when I give it right back, people make me out to be unethical and/or stupid for disagreeing. I guess getting condescending attitude when I'm just trying to discuss something brings out the worst in me.
And RV, so fucking what if I don't like Obama? I didn't like GW either. I don't really care for any politicians. Plenty of you guys were drooling over his genitalia during and after the election.
But back to the topic:
I realize no stat is perfect, but I'm not a big fan of the all of the new stats to try to re-invent the game. Maybe if I'd stated that first you guys wouldn't have attacked me. Who am I kidding -- yeah, you would've.
So I'm immediately skeptical of any stat that tells me Soriano, who I believe suffers from mild mental retardation, is actually an above-average fielder. If there's a stat that measures things like when he didn't get an error for his stupid throw to third after not charging the ball on Thursday, or letting a ball hit three steps away from him drop for a ground-rule double, in addition to the countless other mental fuck-ups he makes during the course of a season, maybe I'll pay attention. Until then, fielding percentage and errors are still a decent of way of telling who's awesome and who sucks.
There's always intangibles, which by definition can't be measured by stats. They're why Reed Johnson can play on my team any day, and why Ronny Cedeno can go suck a horse cock.
Can we at least agree Soriano's been shitty in left this year? He's the only outfielder in baseball with four errors, and he easily has the worst fielding percentage at NINE-FIFTY-FUCKING-ONE. I agree those two stats don't tell the whole story, but they can't be dismissed, either.
I acknowledge the 19 assists in 2007 were pretty sweet, but .975 in both 2007 and 2008 is not good, no matter how you guys try to spin it. Maybe those assists in '07 canceled out the bad percentage, but not last year and certainly not this year.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on May 30, 2009, 12:16:05 AM
I hope this team starts winning soon so the message board becomes readable again.
You're absolutely right about that.
Intrepid Reader: Bonk
Stats can't tell you that Ronny Cedeno sucks. I'd like to see them even try.
I guess that was an attempt at humor? When you're that un-funny it's hard to tell.
Also, I wasn't trying to be ironic before, assmaster, I was taking a shot at those overreliant on sabermetrics. Because, you know, Bill James always has to turn down managerial and GM jobs.
Quote from: Bonk on May 30, 2009, 10:45:50 AM
Also, I wasn't trying to be ironic before, assmaster, I was taking a shot at those overreliant on sabermetrics. Because, you know, Bill James always has to turn down managerial and GM jobs.
It's GM, manager, or bust. Senior Advisor of Baseball Operations for the Boston Red Sox? Not to mention, the same Red Sox who've seen four ALCS appearances and two championships in his six years. That old statfaggot may as well be flippin' Whoppers.
First of all, what ChuckD said. At least TRY to have your facts straight before you start making silly arguments.
If 'willing to consider mountains of evidence that indicate that Alfonso Soriano is a good baseball player' = 'overreliance on sabermetrics' then I agree wholeheartedly. Also let's throw in that awesome argument that 'has been a general manager' = 'qualified to analyze baseball.' Why didn't you follow that with 'shit, I bet you can't even play professional baseball!'? That would really bolster your case.
Or, you could just admit that Alfonso Soriano is a really good baseball player, and you're just trying to look "intelligent" by posing a counter-consensus argument. Does the fact that he's nursing a sore knee factor into your scintillating analysis of his "hustle?" Besides, my whole argument (which you epically failed to address) was that his well-above-average offensive abilities are NOT subsumed by his fielding abilities, which was ChucktoChuck's unsupported and incorrect assertion.
We can agree he's had a bad year in LF this year, but these things tend to revert to the mean over time. And the mean is 'above league average' by a wide margin.
Quote from: Bonk on May 30, 2009, 10:45:50 AM
Also, I wasn't trying to be ironic before, assmaster...
Hence your failure.
Considering the vast proportional gulf between Real World Chuck and Internet Chuck, I can only assume Real World Bonk posts here in-between hosting symposia on the effect of gravity on the higher mathematics of space-time.
Quote from: morpheus on May 30, 2009, 11:11:31 AM
First of all, what ChuckD said. At least TRY to have your facts straight before you start making silly arguments.
If 'willing to consider mountains of evidence that indicate that Alfonso Soriano is a good baseball player' = 'overreliance on sabermetrics' then I agree wholeheartedly. Also let's throw in that awesome argument that 'has been a general manager' = 'qualified to analyze baseball.' Why didn't you follow that with 'shit, I bet you can't even play professional baseball!'? That would really bolster your case.
Or, you could just admit that Alfonso Soriano is a really good baseball player, and you're just trying to look "intelligent" by posing a counter-consensus argument. Does the fact that he's nursing a sore knee factor into your scintillating analysis of his "hustle?" Besides, my whole argument (which you epically failed to address) was that his well-above-average offensive abilities are NOT subsumed by his fielding abilities, which was ChucktoChuck's unsupported and incorrect assertion.
We can agree he's had a bad year in LF this year, but these things tend to revert to the mean over time. And the mean is 'above league average' by a wide margin.
Yes, I totally agree he's a really good baseball player and his defensive shortcomings do not supercede his contributions on offense. From everything I've heard and read about the guy he works his ass off.
He's maddening on offense at times, but at the end of the season the numbers are always good. However, he drives me nuts with his inability to hit with runners on and he's been abyssmal in the playoffs, mainly because IMO there aren't any Phil Dumatraits or Tom Gorzelannys to fatten up on. He also has to have some kind of record for being picked off. And we've been over the defensive argument, and while I agree he probably won't be at .951 all season, he's getting older and his defensive "skills" are actually going to deteriorate. Even more.
Overall, I'm happy the Cubs have him. I just wish it wasn't for $17M a year until 2046. Him hitting fifth for about $9M would've been just swell. Maybe I'm harder on him because of the ridiculous salary.
Even though you took a couple of shots at me which I probably deserved, thanks for at least giving a cogent response. I'm done talking about this -- I'm not going to change anyone's mind and vice versa.
Sorry if I pissed anyone off along the way. Like I said, getting talked down to brings out the worst in me, but I still could've handled the situation better.
You're (mostly) all smart folks and I love the humor and analysis.
Quote from: Jon on May 30, 2009, 11:19:08 AM
Considering the vast proportional gulf between Real World Chuck and Internet Chuck, I can only assume Real World Bonk posts here in-between hosting symposia on the effect of gravity on the higher mathematics of space-time.
Real Life Bonk actually has a degree in math from Wright State but didn't want to become a full-time student so he took a newspaper job in Cincinnati in 1997.
He had a kick-ass job there until the paper shut down at the end of 2007, and hasn't been able to find anything but freelance work since.
Math has always been my strength, but at 19 I didn't realize the math majors a) have limited employment opportunities with just a B.A., and b) didn't take classes that necessarily dealt with numbers. I actually struggled the most in the courses in my major.
Quote from: Bonk on May 30, 2009, 03:09:57 PM
Quote from: morpheus on May 30, 2009, 11:11:31 AM
First of all, what ChuckD said. At least TRY to have your facts straight before you start making silly arguments.
If 'willing to consider mountains of evidence that indicate that Alfonso Soriano is a good baseball player' = 'overreliance on sabermetrics' then I agree wholeheartedly. Also let's throw in that awesome argument that 'has been a general manager' = 'qualified to analyze baseball.' Why didn't you follow that with 'shit, I bet you can't even play professional baseball!'? That would really bolster your case.
Or, you could just admit that Alfonso Soriano is a really good baseball player, and you're just trying to look "intelligent" by posing a counter-consensus argument. Does the fact that he's nursing a sore knee factor into your scintillating analysis of his "hustle?" Besides, my whole argument (which you epically failed to address) was that his well-above-average offensive abilities are NOT subsumed by his fielding abilities, which was ChucktoChuck's unsupported and incorrect assertion.
We can agree he's had a bad year in LF this year, but these things tend to revert to the mean over time. And the mean is 'above league average' by a wide margin.
Yes, I totally agree he's a really good baseball player and his defensive shortcomings do not supercede his contributions on offense. From everything I've heard and read about the guy he works his ass off.
He's maddening on offense at times, but at the end of the season the numbers are always good. However, he drives me nuts with his inability to hit with runners on and he's been abyssmal in the playoffs, mainly because IMO there aren't any Phil Dumatraits or Tom Gorzelannys to fatten up on. He also has to have some kind of record for being picked off. And we've been over the defensive argument, and while I agree he probably won't be at .951 all season, he's getting older and his defensive "skills" are actually going to deteriorate. Even more.
Overall, I'm happy the Cubs have him. I just wish it wasn't for $17M a year until 2046. Him hitting fifth for about $9M would've been just swell. Maybe I'm harder on him because of the ridiculous salary.
Even though you took a couple of shots at me which I probably deserved, thanks for at least giving a cogent response. I'm done talking about this -- I'm not going to change anyone's mind and vice versa.
Sorry if I pissed anyone off along the way. Like I said, getting talked down to brings out the worst in me, but I still could've handled the situation better.
You're (mostly) all smart folks and I love the humor and analysis.
I'm just here for the possible HJE
Edit: Fixed because I'm an idiot
did someone say HJE? When does that start?
Obvious bump, after that inning.
Quote from: Bonk on May 30, 2009, 04:07:36 AM
I like how some people on this board give me shit all the time, but when I give it right back, people make me out to be unethical and/or stupid for disagreeing. I guess getting condescending attitude when I'm just trying to discuss something brings out the worst in me.
And RV, so fucking what if I don't like Obama? I didn't like GW either. I don't really care for any politicians. Plenty of you guys were drooling over his genitalia during and after the election.
But back to the topic:
I realize no stat is perfect, but I'm not a big fan of the all of the new stats to try to re-invent the game. Maybe if I'd stated that first you guys wouldn't have attacked me. Who am I kidding -- yeah, you would've.
So I'm immediately skeptical of any stat that tells me Soriano, who I believe suffers from mild mental retardation, is actually an above-average fielder. If there's a stat that measures things like when he didn't get an error for his stupid throw to third after not charging the ball on Thursday, or letting a ball hit three steps away from him drop for a ground-rule double, in addition to the countless other mental fuck-ups he makes during the course of a season, maybe I'll pay attention. Until then, fielding percentage and errors are still a decent of way of telling who's awesome and who sucks.
There's always intangibles, which by definition can't be measured by stats. They're why Reed Johnson can play on my team any day, and why Ronny Cedeno can go suck a horse cock.
Can we at least agree Soriano's been shitty in left this year? He's the only outfielder in baseball with four errors, and he easily has the worst fielding percentage at NINE-FIFTY-FUCKING-ONE. I agree those two stats don't tell the whole story, but they can't be dismissed, either.
I acknowledge the 19 assists in 2007 were pretty sweet, but .975 in both 2007 and 2008 is not good, no matter how you guys try to spin it. Maybe those assists in '07 canceled out the bad percentage, but not last year and certainly not this year.
So, I'm not exactly sure how these stats (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=847&position=2B/OF#value) work, but it's apparently Runs Above Replacement, which calculates how many runs someone was worth both offensively and defensively compared to a replacement-level player at the same position.
Prior to this year, Soriano was way ahead in his Cubs tenure in the field (22.2), though he's in the red this year.
Not sure how many fag shares he creates over a replacement, but I guess if that replacement was say...Jim Edmonds, he probably creates less.
Also, should be noted that, of all Cubs, Kosuke is the highest ranked in this category for '09, yielding 18.8 RAR.
Jesus, Chuck, even BONK knows that Soriano is a good baseball player.
Can I be in the "cool guys needlessly piling on Bonk" club now?
Quote from: PenFoe on June 01, 2009, 04:35:00 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on June 01, 2009, 04:33:49 PM
needlessly piling on
Are you new here?
I plow through the needless piling on to get to the oneupsmanship.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on June 01, 2009, 04:36:57 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 01, 2009, 04:35:00 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on June 01, 2009, 04:33:49 PM
needlessly piling on
Are you new here?
I plow through the needless piling on to get to the oneupsmanship.
All piling on done here is necessary and not a little sexy...
The 10 games before Aramis got hurt: 5.3 runs per game, 7-3 record (Good!)
The 8 games after he got hurt: 5.6 runs per game, 5-3 record (Hey, who needs that bum anyway, right?)
The 18 games since then: 3.1 runs per game, 7-11 record (Bad.)
Come back soon, Pancakes.
Quote from: RV on June 08, 2009, 10:45:19 AM
The 10 games before Aramis got hurt: 5.3 runs per game, 7-3 record (Good!)
The 8 games after he got hurt: 5.6 runs per game, 5-3 record (Hey, who needs that bum anyway, right?)
The 18 games since then: 3.1 runs per game, 7-11 record (Bad.)
Come back soon, Pancakes.
Is it still post-AS break for his return?
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on June 08, 2009, 11:56:13 AM
Quote from: RV on June 08, 2009, 10:45:19 AM
The 10 games before Aramis got hurt: 5.3 runs per game, 7-3 record (Good!)
The 8 games after he got hurt: 5.6 runs per game, 5-3 record (Hey, who needs that bum anyway, right?)
The 18 games since then: 3.1 runs per game, 7-11 record (Bad.)
Come back soon, Pancakes.
Is it still post-AS break for his return?
I keep seeing mid-July, yes.
Quote from: Slakee on June 08, 2009, 11:59:47 AM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on June 08, 2009, 11:56:13 AM
Quote from: RV on June 08, 2009, 10:45:19 AM
The 10 games before Aramis got hurt: 5.3 runs per game, 7-3 record (Good!)
The 8 games after he got hurt: 5.6 runs per game, 5-3 record (Hey, who needs that bum anyway, right?)
The 18 games since then: 3.1 runs per game, 7-11 record (Bad.)
Come back soon, Pancakes.
Is it still post-AS break for his return?
I keep seeing mid-July, yes.
I think this past week Lou said he wanted him back by July 1st for that stl, atlanta, milwaukee stretch.
Hopefully, this upcoming stretch will allow them to get the bats going a little and get some Ws.
Today, it's Demp against Russ Ortiz.
This weekend, Minnesota comes in with a 9-19 road record and they're throwing Slowey (8-2?) against Wells, Swarzak against Harden, and Baker against Lilly.
Then the Sux come in on Tuesday with match-ups of Z-Danks, Demp-Floyd, and Wells-Richard.
Cleveland finishes the homestand with three over the weekend against Harden, Lillly, and Z.
Quote from: Dave B on June 11, 2009, 10:44:47 AM
Hopefully, this upcoming stretch will allow them to get the bats going a little and get some Ws.
Today, it's Demp against Russ Ortiz.
God dammit. This offense sucks sweaty meatus.
Quote from: RV on June 11, 2009, 03:00:34 PM
Quote from: Dave B on June 11, 2009, 10:44:47 AM
Hopefully, this upcoming stretch will allow them to get the bats going a little and get some Ws.
Today, it's Demp against Russ Ortiz.
God dammit. This offense sucks sweaty meatus.
Is that a bad thing?
Unbelievable. Ortiz, Byrdak, Arias, Sampson, LaTroy, and Fulchino have pitched for the Astros today. The mighty Cubs offense has managed 1 run (on a BLABRY HR), 6 hits, 5 walks in 12 innings. Are you fucking kidding me?
Quote from: morpheus on June 11, 2009, 04:53:09 PM
Are you fucking kidding me?
I'd say the joke is on me, but unfortunately, the joke is on the field.
The joke is on me - I watched the entire game and somehow stayed awake. What a snooze.
Quote from: morpheus on June 11, 2009, 04:53:09 PM
Unbelievable. Ortiz, Byrdak, Arias, Sampson, LaTroy, and Fulchino have pitched for the Astros today. The mighty Cubs offense has managed 1 run (on a BLABRY HR), 6 hits, 5 walks in 12 innings. Are you fucking kidding me?
It's a pitcher's park.
6 hits in 13 fucking innings? First and third, nobody out, 2-3-4 coming up and nothing?
That whole facing shitty pitching and getting runs thing is off to a great start. This offense is absolutely fucking pathetic right now.
Fixed.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on June 11, 2009, 05:51:54 PM
6 hits in 13 fucking innings? First and third, nobody out, 2-3-4 coming up and nothing?
That whole facing shitty pitching and getting runs thing is off to a great start. This offense is absolutely fucking pathetic right now.
Just right now? Where the fuck have you been?
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on June 11, 2009, 06:28:00 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on June 11, 2009, 05:51:54 PM
6 hits in 13 fucking innings? First and third, nobody out, 2-3-4 coming up and nothing?
That whole facing shitty pitching and getting runs thing is off to a great start. This offense is absolutely fucking pathetic right now.
Just right now? Where the fuck have you been?
Writing about how awesome Pittsburgh sports are, probably.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on June 11, 2009, 10:19:20 PM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on June 11, 2009, 06:28:00 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on June 11, 2009, 05:51:54 PM
6 hits in 13 fucking innings? First and third, nobody out, 2-3-4 coming up and nothing?
That whole facing shitty pitching and getting runs thing is off to a great start. This offense is absolutely fucking pathetic right now.
Just right now? Where the fuck have you been?
Writing about how awesome Pittsburgh sports are, probably.
And constantly misspelling the name of his favorite hockey team's goalie. Which for some reason drives me up a wall.
Here's what I keep saying to myself: 1 back in the loss column. 1 back in the loss column. 1 back in the loss column.
Of course, Houston's only 4 back in the loss column and everyone knows they have still yet to unleash the SNEAK ATTACK!
Quote from: BC on June 12, 2009, 01:30:48 AM
Here's what I keep saying to myself: 1 back in the loss column. 1 back in the loss column. 1 back in the loss column.
Saying it once is probably sufficient.
The Cubs are playing unbelievably shitty baseball, and yet are still in it. Once they play to their capabilities, they'll get out in front and build a lead.
The Cubs will win this division by 10 games.
Quote from: Fork on June 12, 2009, 10:04:33 AM
Quote from: BC on June 12, 2009, 01:30:48 AM
Here's what I keep saying to myself: 1 back in the loss column. 1 back in the loss column. 1 back in the loss column.
Saying it once is probably sufficient.
The Cubs are playing unbelievably shitty baseball, and yet are still in it. Once they play to their capabilities, they'll get out in front and build a lead.
In 2007 the Cubs were sort of like this team and made the playoffs.
In 2008 the Cubs were the greatest, record-wise, in our lifetimes and they made the playoffs.
Both time they got swept.
Watching this team right now is like pouring turpentine in one's bunghole, but you have to remember that we're waiting for the playoffs. Thanks to the short bus division they're in, they can afford to fumble around like this, just like they did in '07. If they make the playoffs and actually win some games/series, nobody will dwell on how awful they are right now.
I want to punch half the team when I'm watching them. Then I take a breath and remind myself that none of this fucking matters so long as they make the playoffs. Last season proved that how you play during the regular season does not forecast how well you'd play in the playoffs, so I'm willing to ride this out, while laughing at the screaming nancies like LoneStar who actually profess their hatred for this team.
Quote from: Fork on June 12, 2009, 10:04:33 AM
Quote from: BC on June 12, 2009, 01:30:48 AM
Here's what I keep saying to myself: 1 back in the loss column. 1 back in the loss column. 1 back in the loss column.
Saying it once is probably sufficient.
The Cubs are playing unbelievably shitty baseball, and yet are still in it. Once they play to their capabilities, along with the return of Aramis Ramirez, they'll get out in front and build a lead.
Pancakes'd
Quote from: Waco Kid on June 12, 2009, 10:22:32 AM
Quote from: Fork on June 12, 2009, 10:04:33 AM
Quote from: BC on June 12, 2009, 01:30:48 AM
Here's what I keep saying to myself: 1 back in the loss column. 1 back in the loss column. 1 back in the loss column.
Saying it once is probably sufficient.
The Cubs are playing unbelievably shitty baseball, and yet are still in it. Once they play to their capabilities, along with the return of Aramis Ramirez, they'll get out in front and build a lead.
Pancakes'd
As awesome as Pancakes is, his presence alone won't save this team if Soriano, Soto, and Bradley continue to not hit. I'd get on Fontenot to pick it up too, but I think he just sucks rhinocerous taint. Nonetheless, those other three need to stop being shitty at hitting the baseball. Today would be a good start.
Quote from: MAD on June 12, 2009, 10:20:01 AM
Then I take a breath and remind myself that none of this fucking matters so long as they make the playoffs.
Correct. This regular season is a waste of our time. This season is all about October success. No October wins means the season was a failure, regardless of why they got no wins in October (swept or non-participation).
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 12, 2009, 10:31:08 AM
Quote from: MAD on June 12, 2009, 10:20:01 AM
Then I take a breath and remind myself that none of this fucking matters so long as they make the playoffs.
Correct. This regular season is a waste of our time. This season is all about October success. No October wins means the season was a failure, regardless of why they got no wins in October (swept or non-participation).
Even a 1080p HD 47" flatscreen TV can't make the way they're playing look better. That's just me hating bad baseball, though. I don't care how they limp to the playoffs, as long as they get there. I just wish they could make it look a little better, for my own selfish reasons.
The good news is, at least, that they are pitching tits out. I remember watching a game the other day where there was a fancy graphic with some numbers and such on it that showed how the Cubs are the best in the league, pitching-wise, with runners in scoring position with less than two outs (or something to that effect). And, the margin wasn't even close.
I'm thinking that 2 runs per game won't last long for these guys, especially when Rammy gets back.
PS, Geoff Blum is a cockgobbling dickrocket.
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on June 12, 2009, 10:46:09 AM
Even a 1080p HD 47" flatscreen TV can't make the way they're playing look better.
That's because 1080p isn't discernible from 1080i until you are at 50 inches or greater.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 12, 2009, 10:48:40 AM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on June 12, 2009, 10:46:09 AM
Even a 1080p HD 47" flatscreen TV can't make the way they're playing look better.
That's because 1080p isn't discernible from 1080i until you are at 50 inches or greater.
There's a cock size joke to be made there, but I'm not Fork enough to make it.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 12, 2009, 10:31:08 AM
Quote from: MAD on June 12, 2009, 10:20:01 AM
Then I take a breath and remind myself that none of this fucking matters so long as they make the playoffs.
Correct. This regular season is a waste of our time. This season is all about October success. No October wins means the season was a failure, regardless of why they got no wins in October (swept or non-participation).
I can only speak for people I know, but last year's playoff failure really did a fucking number on everyone's ability to watch this team normally.
Quote from: Slak on June 12, 2009, 11:44:34 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 12, 2009, 10:31:08 AM
Quote from: MAD on June 12, 2009, 10:20:01 AM
Then I take a breath and remind myself that none of this fucking matters so long as they make the playoffs.
Correct. This regular season is a waste of our time. This season is all about October success. No October wins means the season was a failure, regardless of why they got no wins in October (swept or non-participation).
I can only speak for people I know, but last year2003's playoff failure really did a fucking number on everyone's ability to watch this team normally.
Which dare not speak its name'd
But, yeah... Last year sucked a lot, too.
Quote from: Jon on June 12, 2009, 11:19:32 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 12, 2009, 10:48:40 AM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on June 12, 2009, 10:46:09 AM
Even a 1080p HD 47" flatscreen TV can't make the way they're playing look better.
That's because 1080p isn't discernible from 1080i until you are at 50 inches or greater.
There's a cock size joke to be made there, but I'm not Fork enough to make it.
Trust me, IAN's at 50 inches or greater.
Quote from: Slak on June 12, 2009, 11:44:34 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 12, 2009, 10:31:08 AM
Quote from: MAD on June 12, 2009, 10:20:01 AM
Then I take a breath and remind myself that none of this fucking matters so long as they make the playoffs.
Correct. This regular season is a waste of our time. This season is all about October success. No October wins means the season was a failure, regardless of why they got no wins in October (swept or non-participation).
I can only speak for people I know, but last year's playoff failure really did a fucking number on everyone's ability to watch this team normally.
I don't even blame the playoffs. Remember how,
during the season last season, how so many cockfaces--even around here--became unhinged whenever the Cubs were in one of their rare funks, as if some of these anus warts just woke up and assumed that a 162-game season is supposed to be stress free?
No, this goes deeper, IMHO. Some sort of amalgam of modernity, instant communication access, and the <old man waving his cane from his front porch> idiocy of today's instant gratification-seeking youth. </old man waving his cane from his front porch>
Regardless, speaking for the here and now, I'd very much enjoy this team to get more than one run a game.
Edited to point out that Thrill's observation about 2003 also seems pretty spot-on.
Quote from: MAD on June 12, 2009, 11:59:21 AM
Quote from: Slak on June 12, 2009, 11:44:34 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 12, 2009, 10:31:08 AM
Quote from: MAD on June 12, 2009, 10:20:01 AM
Then I take a breath and remind myself that none of this fucking matters so long as they make the playoffs.
Correct. This regular season is a waste of our time. This season is all about October success. No October wins means the season was a failure, regardless of why they got no wins in October (swept or non-participation).
I can only speak for people I know, but last year's playoff failure really did a fucking number on everyone's ability to watch this team normally.
I don't even blame the playoffs. Remember how, during the season last season, how so many cockfaces--even around here--became unhinged whenever the Cubs were in one of there rare funks, as if some of these anus warts just woke up and assumed that a 162-game season is supposed to be stress free?
No, this goes deeper, IMHO. Some sort of amalgam of modernity, instant communication access, and the <old man waving his cane from his front porch> idiocy of today's instant gratification-seeking youth. </old man waving his cane from his front porch>
Regardless, speaking for the here and now, I'd very much enjoy this team to get more than one run a game.
I fucking hate kids, specifically teenagers
Lou is moving Fontenot up to second, and dropping Theriot and Fukudome down, or something like that. That should fix it. I PREDICT (say it like you mean it one more time for Murph) that they score 10 runs today.
Quote from: butthead on June 12, 2009, 12:09:00 PM
Lou is moving Fontenot up to second, and dropping Theriot and Fukudome down, or something like that. That should fix it. I PREDICT (say it like you mean it one more time for Murph) that they score 10 runs today.
I fucking hate the way that guy repeats everyithing he says 6 times over before he's done talking about it. I really hate Mike Murphy too
Quote from: IrishYeti on June 12, 2009, 12:12:59 PM
Quote from: butthead on June 12, 2009, 12:09:00 PM
Lou is moving Fontenot up to second, and dropping Theriot and Fukudome down, or something like that. That should fix it. I PREDICT (say it like you mean it one more time for Murph) that they score 10 runs today.
I fucking hate the way that guy repeats everyithing he says 6 times over before he's done talking about it. I really hate Mike Murphy too
I wonder if that buttplug will give a tearful farewell to his fans today (I know, I might be JUMPING to CONCLUSIONS to assume there's more than one) since the Macneil regime starts on Monday.
Quote from: RV on June 12, 2009, 12:15:03 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on June 12, 2009, 12:12:59 PM
Quote from: butthead on June 12, 2009, 12:09:00 PM
Lou is moving Fontenot up to second, and dropping Theriot and Fukudome down, or something like that. That should fix it. I PREDICT (say it like you mean it one more time for Murph) that they score 10 runs today.
I fucking hate the way that guy repeats everyithing he says 6 times over before he's done talking about it. I really hate Mike Murphy too
I wonder if that buttplug will give a tearful farewell to his fans today (I know, I might be JUMPING to CONCLUSIONS to assume there's more than one) since the Macneil regime starts on Monday.
My favorite Mike Murphy memory would be in the early days of the SCORE when he would come on after McNeil and Boers. The score was on AM-820 at the time, which didn't program at night, so in January Murphy's show was like 23 minutes long. Perfect.
Quote from: MAD on June 12, 2009, 12:20:00 PM
Quote from: RV on June 12, 2009, 12:15:03 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on June 12, 2009, 12:12:59 PM
Quote from: butthead on June 12, 2009, 12:09:00 PM
Lou is moving Fontenot up to second, and dropping Theriot and Fukudome down, or something like that. That should fix it. I PREDICT (say it like you mean it one more time for Murph) that they score 10 runs today.
I fucking hate the way that guy repeats everyithing he says 6 times over before he's done talking about it. I really hate Mike Murphy too
I wonder if that buttplug will give a tearful farewell to his fans today (I know, I might be JUMPING to CONCLUSIONS to assume there's more than one) since the Macneil regime starts on Monday.
My favorite Mike Murphy memory would be in the early days of the SCORE when he would come on after McNeil and Boers. The score was on AM-820 at the time, which didn't program at night, so in January Murphy's show was like 23 minutes long. Perfect.
He must have said 7 sentences in that 23 minutes
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on June 12, 2009, 10:46:09 AM
PS, Geoff Blum is a cockgobbling dickrocket.
Geoff Blum is the new Ty Wigginton.
Quote from: IrishYeti on June 12, 2009, 12:24:28 PM
Quote from: MAD on June 12, 2009, 12:20:00 PM
Quote from: RV on June 12, 2009, 12:15:03 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on June 12, 2009, 12:12:59 PM
Quote from: butthead on June 12, 2009, 12:09:00 PM
Lou is moving Fontenot up to second, and dropping Theriot and Fukudome down, or something like that. That should fix it. I PREDICT (say it like you mean it one more time for Murph) that they score 10 runs today.
I fucking hate the way that guy repeats everyithing he says 6 times over before he's done talking about it. I really hate Mike Murphy too
I wonder if that buttplug will give a tearful farewell to his fans today (I know, I might be JUMPING to CONCLUSIONS to assume there's more than one) since the Macneil regime starts on Monday.
My favorite Mike Murphy memory would be in the early days of the SCORE when he would come on after McNeil and Boers. The score was on AM-820 at the time, which didn't program at night, so in January Murphy's show was like 23 minutes long. Perfect.
He must have said 7 sentences in that 23 minutes
He would had, except he played his full 5 minute intro first (he was on for like 15 minutes).
Quote from: RV on June 12, 2009, 12:15:03 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on June 12, 2009, 12:12:59 PM
Quote from: butthead on June 12, 2009, 12:09:00 PM
Lou is moving Fontenot up to second, and dropping Theriot and Fukudome down, or something like that. That should fix it. I PREDICT (say it like you mean it one more time for Murph) that they score 10 runs today.
I fucking hate the way that guy repeats everyithing he says 6 times over before he's done talking about it. I really hate Mike Murphy too
I wonder if that buttplug will give a tearful farewell to his fans today (I know, I might be JUMPING to CONCLUSIONS to assume there's more than one) since the Macneil regime starts on Monday.
I'm sure they'll still be able to hear him over at Chicago Sports Webio.
Seriously, I wonder if that guy will ever work again. Radio guys get recycled like pop cans, but he truly seems to have pissed off every person he's come across in the business.
Quote from: CT III on June 12, 2009, 01:37:17 PM
Quote from: RV on June 12, 2009, 12:15:03 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on June 12, 2009, 12:12:59 PM
Quote from: butthead on June 12, 2009, 12:09:00 PM
Lou is moving Fontenot up to second, and dropping Theriot and Fukudome down, or something like that. That should fix it. I PREDICT (say it like you mean it one more time for Murph) that they score 10 runs today.
I fucking hate the way that guy repeats everyithing he says 6 times over before he's done talking about it. I really hate Mike Murphy too
I wonder if that buttplug will give a tearful farewell to his fans today (I know, I might be JUMPING to CONCLUSIONS to assume there's more than one) since the Macneil regime starts on Monday.
I'm sure they'll still be able to hear him over at Chicago Sports Webio.
Seriously, I wonder if that guy will ever work again. Radio guys get recycled like pop cans, but he truly seems to have pissed off every person he's come across in the business.
B&B have spent entire segments talking about punching him in the face.
Quote from: CT III on June 12, 2009, 01:37:17 PM
I'm sure they'll still be able to hear him over at Chicago Sports Webio.
Where things seem to be going swimmingly (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?page_id=2317).
Quote from: Wheezer on June 13, 2009, 12:30:00 AM
Quote from: CT III on June 12, 2009, 01:37:17 PM
I'm sure they'll still be able to hear him over at Chicago Sports Webio.
Where things seem to be going swimmingly (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?page_id=2317).
Maybe the Ricketts made an offer.
Quote from: Wheezer on June 13, 2009, 12:30:00 AM
Quote from: CT III on June 12, 2009, 01:37:17 PM
I'm sure they'll still be able to hear him over at Chicago Sports Webio.
Where things seem to be going swimmingly (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?page_id=2317).
I love the first comment...
Tom M. wrote:
This is what happens when a bunch of idiots work together.
Quote from: Wheezer on June 13, 2009, 12:30:00 AM
Quote from: CT III on June 12, 2009, 01:37:17 PM
I'm sure they'll still be able to hear him over at Chicago Sports Webio.
Where things seem to be going swimmingly (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?page_id=2317).
A stark contrast to the press release Sherman regurgitated earlier this week. (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?page_id=2317&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3af5555513-c950-4657-a93a-80db16fdf4adPost%3a963f4d98-6d82-4241-842b-7c1f6a37a6b9&sid=sitelife.chicagobusiness.com).
I second the motion that this team score some fucking runs.
Quote from: BC on June 13, 2009, 03:43:24 PM
I second the motion that this team score some fucking runs.
How many games back?
How many games back?
How many games back?
How many games back?
How many games back?
That ain't working for me today, the game sure did piss me off.
Quote from: Ivy6 on June 13, 2009, 11:38:39 AM
Quote from: Wheezer on June 13, 2009, 12:30:00 AM
Quote from: CT III on June 12, 2009, 01:37:17 PM
I'm sure they'll still be able to hear him over at Chicago Sports Webio.
Where things seem to be going swimmingly (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?page_id=2317).
A stark contrast to the press release Sherman regurgitated earlier this week. (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?page_id=2317&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3af5555513-c950-4657-a93a-80db16fdf4adPost%3a963f4d98-6d82-4241-842b-7c1f6a37a6b9&sid=sitelife.chicagobusiness.com).
Yup (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?page_id=2317&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3af5555513-c950-4657-a93a-80db16fdf4adPost%3a657a5400-4ae6-4318-a2f2-1221f22a164b).
Quote from: Wheezer on June 13, 2009, 11:38:18 PM
Quote from: Ivy6 on June 13, 2009, 11:38:39 AM
Quote from: Wheezer on June 13, 2009, 12:30:00 AM
Quote from: CT III on June 12, 2009, 01:37:17 PM
I'm sure they'll still be able to hear him over at Chicago Sports Webio.
Where things seem to be going swimmingly (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?page_id=2317).
A stark contrast to the press release Sherman regurgitated earlier this week. (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?page_id=2317&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3af5555513-c950-4657-a93a-80db16fdf4adPost%3a963f4d98-6d82-4241-842b-7c1f6a37a6b9&sid=sitelife.chicagobusiness.com).
Yup (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?page_id=2317&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3af5555513-c950-4657-a93a-80db16fdf4adPost%3a657a5400-4ae6-4318-a2f2-1221f22a164b).
Someone please tell me Chicagosportswebio is underwritten by Lenny Dykstra.
Per Hit and Ralph on the Score, Gerald Perry has been fired by Jim Hendry.
Von Joshua, c'mon down.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-14-cubs-brite-chicago-jun14,0,164638.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-14-cubs-brite-chicago-jun14,0,164638.story)
QuoteDown to four extra position players, one of them the backup catcher, Cubs manager Lou Piniella said Carlos Zambrano would be an early-inning pinch-hitter.
Piniella was left with little choice Saturday after infielder Bobby Scales was sent back to Triple-A Iowa to make room for starting pitcher Rich Harden, leaving the Cubs with an almost-unheard-of 13 pitchers
This is fucking ridiculous.
Time to get rid of David Patton already.
Quote from: CT III on June 14, 2009, 11:29:31 AM
Per Hit and Ralph on the Score, Gerald Perry has been fired by Jim Hendry.
Von Joshua, c'mon down.
Was he the sax player for Wild Cherry?
Quote from: Wheezer on June 14, 2009, 11:50:16 AM
Quote from: CT III on June 14, 2009, 11:29:31 AM
Per Hit and Ralph on the Score, Gerald Perry has been fired by Jim Hendry.
Von Joshua, c'mon down.
Was he the sax player for Wild Cherry?
Perry gets credit for turning the offense around last season, and now it's his fault they're not hitting? When is it okay for Hendry to tell Soriano (for the last month), Theriot, Milton, Soto and Fontenot to nut up and hit the fucking ball?
Quote from: Weebs on June 14, 2009, 12:27:50 PM
Quote from: Wheezer on June 14, 2009, 11:50:16 AM
Quote from: CT III on June 14, 2009, 11:29:31 AM
Per Hit and Ralph on the Score, Gerald Perry has been fired by Jim Hendry.
Von Joshua, c'mon down.
Was he the sax player for Wild Cherry?
Perry gets credit for turning the offense around last season, and now it's his fault they're not hitting? When is it okay for Hendry to tell Soriano (for the last month), Theriot, Milton, Soto and Fontenot to nut up and hit the fucking ball?
When their contracts come up?
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 14, 2009, 12:40:17 PM
Quote from: Weebs on June 14, 2009, 12:27:50 PM
Perry gets credit for turning the offense around last season, and now it's his fault they're not hitting? When is it okay for Hendry to tell Soriano (for the last month), Theriot, Milton, Soto and Fontenot to nut up and hit the fucking ball?
When their contracts come up?
You know, this stuff almost fits the meter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qnoh3h6JD8).
Quote from: Wheezer on June 14, 2009, 12:48:36 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 14, 2009, 12:40:17 PM
Quote from: Weebs on June 14, 2009, 12:27:50 PM
Perry gets credit for turning the offense around last season, and now it's his fault they're not hitting? When is it okay for Hendry to tell Soriano (for the last month), Theriot, Milton, Soto and Fontenot to nut up and hit the fucking ball?
When their contracts come up?
You know, this stuff almost fits the meter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qnoh3h6JD8).
Wheezer, do you have a Facebook or Twitter page? Hell, even a blog you rarely update? Cuz I'd like to know what you're thinking like every single second, or failing that, have some long form of insanity to wonder about for about 15 minutes every month.
Quote from: Weebs on June 14, 2009, 12:27:50 PM
Quote from: Wheezer on June 14, 2009, 11:50:16 AM
Quote from: CT III on June 14, 2009, 11:29:31 AM
Per Hit and Ralph on the Score, Gerald Perry has been fired by Jim Hendry.
Von Joshua, c'mon down.
Was he the sax player for Wild Cherry?
Perry gets credit for turning the offense around last season, and now it's his fault they're not hitting? When is it okay for Hendry to tell Soriano (for the last month), Theriot, Milton, Soto and Fontenot to nut up and hit the fucking ball?
You're right. A front office guy telling at a bunch of major league players to "nut up" has a 90% success rate of producing offensive results. Does it work when you do that on the Xbox?
I do agree that making Perry the scapegoat for these buttchuggers is pretty ridiculous.
Quote from: RV on June 14, 2009, 01:31:14 PM
Quote from: Weebs on June 14, 2009, 12:27:50 PM
Quote from: Wheezer on June 14, 2009, 11:50:16 AM
Quote from: CT III on June 14, 2009, 11:29:31 AM
Per Hit and Ralph on the Score, Gerald Perry has been fired by Jim Hendry.
Von Joshua, c'mon down.
Was he the sax player for Wild Cherry?
Perry gets credit for turning the offense around last season, and now it's his fault they're not hitting? When is it okay for Hendry to tell Soriano (for the last month), Theriot, Milton, Soto and Fontenot to nut up and hit the fucking ball?
You're right. A front office guy telling at a bunch of major league players to "nut up" has a 90% success rate of producing offensive results. Does it work when you do that on the Xbox?
I do agree that making Perry the scapegoat for these buttchuggers is pretty ridiculous.
On the Xbox, I'd just trade Theriot and Cotts for A-Rod.
Anyone thinking of just becoming a full time Twins fan?
Uh, cuz I'm not...
Quote from: Slak on June 14, 2009, 01:49:21 PM
Anyone thinking of just becoming a full time Twins fan?
Uh, cuz I'm not...
I've got my Twins hat. I'm ready to invest in a Mauer jersey.
*high fives Kermit*
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 14, 2009, 01:12:01 PM
Wheezer, do you have a Facebook or Twitter page? Hell, even a blog you rarely update? Cuz I'd like to know what you're thinking like every single second, or failing that, have some long form of insanity to wonder about for about 15 minutes every month.
As surely as the despicable John A. Brown is up for parole in 2011 (http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=51829889180&ref=ts), but there's always the worry of its serving a clear anti-high function (http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/olympics/images/attachement/jpg/site1/20070725/001aa018ff9c081187dc51.jpg).
Quote from: Wheezer on June 14, 2009, 02:10:08 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 14, 2009, 01:12:01 PM
Wheezer, do you have a Facebook or Twitter page? Hell, even a blog you rarely update? Cuz I'd like to know what you're thinking like every single second, or failing that, have some long form of insanity to wonder about for about 15 minutes every month.
As surely as the despicable John A. Brown is up for parole in 2011 (http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=51829889180&ref=ts), but there's always the worry of its serving a clear anti-high function (http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/olympics/images/attachement/jpg/site1/20070725/001aa018ff9c081187dc51.jpg).
So if I put these "pieces" together I can figure out which banned blue bleeder is you? There's only three I don't know. I could add all three and see what happens. Fucker. I WANT TO BE YOUR FRIEND DAMMMIT!
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 14, 2009, 02:30:15 PM
So if I put these "pieces" together I can figure out which banned blue bleeder is you? There's only three I don't know. I could add all three and see what happens. Fucker. I WANT TO BE YOUR FRIEND DAMMMIT!
I'm the one that's not Tonker.
Quote from: Weebs on June 14, 2009, 01:59:46 PM
Quote from: Slak on June 14, 2009, 01:49:21 PM
Anyone thinking of just becoming a full time Twins fan?
Uh, cuz I'm not...
I've got my Twins hat. I'm ready to invest in a Mauer jersey.
*high fives Kermit*
Hmm, you mean become a fan of a team that's known for winning a terrible division and then flaming out in the postseason?
Nah, I just can't see it.
Quote from: Wheezer on June 14, 2009, 02:33:01 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 14, 2009, 02:30:15 PM
So if I put these "pieces" together I can figure out which banned blue bleeder is you? There's only three I don't know. I could add all three and see what happens. Fucker. I WANT TO BE YOUR FRIEND DAMMMIT!
I'm the one that's not Tonker.
"Sizzling Bacon Scent (UChicago) (creator)"
You'll have to read this (http://okneoac.com/m/chs/toc.html) forwards and backwards until the link shows up.
Quote from: Wheezer on June 14, 2009, 02:33:01 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 14, 2009, 02:30:15 PM
So if I put these "pieces" together I can figure out which banned blue bleeder is you? There's only three I don't know. I could add all three and see what happens. Fucker. I WANT TO BE YOUR FRIEND DAMMMIT!
I'm the one that's not Tonker.
I know Tonker and Tonker knows Internet Apex. We're practically Internet Kin. But you... you make me work for it.
Quote from: CT III on June 14, 2009, 03:41:28 PM
Quote from: Weebs on June 14, 2009, 01:59:46 PM
Quote from: Slak on June 14, 2009, 01:49:21 PM
Anyone thinking of just becoming a full time Twins fan?
Uh, cuz I'm not...
I've got my Twins hat. I'm ready to invest in a Mauer jersey.
*high fives Kermit*
Hmm, you mean become a fan of a team that's known for winning a terrible division and then flaming out in the postseason?
Nah, I just can't see it.
1987 and 1991 are easily my favorite World Series ever. But that was like a bajillion years ago.
I've figured what this Cubs team is. It's the 2001 team minus the roided-up Gladiational Force in the middle of the lineup setting standards un-heard of even in the roided-up era. Check it. You got the horses in the rotation. Some smoke in the back of the pen with some question marks everywhere else. And the third baseman got hurt on a play that looked like it really, really fucking hurt. But the 2001 team had Tards and Trolls that were worth a shit making life impossible for them. All the Cubs need is a roided-up freak and their third baseman back and... BONERTYME!!!! Am I right?
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 14, 2009, 01:12:01 PM
Quote from: Wheezer on June 14, 2009, 12:48:36 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 14, 2009, 12:40:17 PM
Quote from: Weebs on June 14, 2009, 12:27:50 PM
Perry gets credit for turning the offense around last season, and now it's his fault they're not hitting? When is it okay for Hendry to tell Soriano (for the last month), Theriot, Milton, Soto and Fontenot to nut up and hit the fucking ball?
When their contracts come up?
You know, this stuff almost fits the meter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qnoh3h6JD8).
Wheezer, do you have a Facebook or Twitter page? Hell, even a blog you rarely update? Cuz I'd like to know what you're thinking like every single second, or failing that, have some long form of insanity to wonder about for about 15 minutes every month.
I've been wanting this for years. MAKE IT HAPPEN. I have the key to the cosmos. Now, if only I could find the door!
One back in the loss column, boys and girls...
However, Pittsburgh teams are 2-for-2 for titles so far in 2009. So should I turn my irrational fear of the Cardinals into an even more irrational fear of the Pirates???
Quote from: BC on June 14, 2009, 10:34:56 PM
One back in the loss column, boys and girls...
However, Pittsburgh teams are 2-for-2 for titles so far in 2009. So should I turn my irrational fear of the Cardinals into an even more irrational fear of the Pirates???
Do it.
Quote from: BC on June 14, 2009, 10:34:56 PM
One back in the loss column, boys and girls...
However, Pittsburgh teams are 2-for-2 for titles so far in 2009. So should I turn my irrational fear of the Cardinals into an even more irrational fear of the Pirates never speak again???
Yes'd
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 14, 2009, 04:48:56 PM
Quote from: Wheezer on June 14, 2009, 02:33:01 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 14, 2009, 02:30:15 PM
So if I put these "pieces" together I can figure out which banned blue bleeder is you? There's only three I don't know. I could add all three and see what happens. Fucker. I WANT TO BE YOUR FRIEND DAMMMIT!
I'm the one that's not Tonker.
I know Tonker and Tonker knows Internet Apex. We're practically Internet Kin. But you... you make me work for it.
Only "practically", Pex? For shame. First of all you organise your engagement party and wedding on a whole other continent, and now this? I'm taking your picture out of my wallet, right now.
Quote from: Tonker on June 15, 2009, 02:55:29 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 14, 2009, 04:48:56 PM
Quote from: Wheezer on June 14, 2009, 02:33:01 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 14, 2009, 02:30:15 PM
So if I put these "pieces" together I can figure out which banned blue bleeder is you? There's only three I don't know. I could add all three and see what happens. Fucker. I WANT TO BE YOUR FRIEND DAMMMIT!
I'm the one that's not Tonker.
I know Tonker and Tonker knows Internet Apex. We're practically Internet Kin. But you... you make me work for it.
Only "practically", Pex? For shame. First of all you organise your engagement party and wedding on a whole other continent, and now this? I'm taking your picture out of my wallet, right now.
Do as you must. Just don't take the life-size picture of us hugging out of your bathroom.
Quote from: Tank on June 14, 2009, 01:14:57 AM
Quote from: Wheezer on June 13, 2009, 11:38:18 PM
Quote from: Ivy6 on June 13, 2009, 11:38:39 AM
Quote from: Wheezer on June 13, 2009, 12:30:00 AM
Quote from: CT III on June 12, 2009, 01:37:17 PM
I'm sure they'll still be able to hear him over at Chicago Sports Webio.
Where things seem to be going swimmingly (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?page_id=2317).
A stark contrast to the press release Sherman regurgitated earlier this week. (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?page_id=2317&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3af5555513-c950-4657-a93a-80db16fdf4adPost%3a963f4d98-6d82-4241-842b-7c1f6a37a6b9&sid=sitelife.chicagobusiness.com).
Yup (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?page_id=2317&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3af5555513-c950-4657-a93a-80db16fdf4adPost%3a657a5400-4ae6-4318-a2f2-1221f22a164b).
Someone please tell me Chicagosportswebio is underwritten by Lenny Dykstra.
The old punching bag apparently has no problem working in exchange for bounced paychecks. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-mike-north-webio-15-jun15,0,2220326.story)
QuoteChet Coppock, the longtime Chicago sportscaster, said he plans to show up for his scheduled 3 p.m. program Monday at the Morton Grove studios of Internet-based Chicago Sports Webio. That's despite the fact that he said one of his latest paychecks bounced and the other hasn't arrived.
QuoteChicago Sports Webio debuted with media fanfare and what appeared to be a sizable financial commitment by Hernandez, whom Coppock remembers handing out $500 checks at a launch party.
"His reason was, 'I know for some of you this is going to mean a longer drive, so let me help you out with your gas money,' " Coppock said Sunday. "I thought, 'This guy really gets it.' "
Quote from: RV on June 15, 2009, 08:36:39 AM
"His reason was, 'I know for some of you this is going to mean a longer drive, so let me help you out with your gas money,' " Coppock said Sunday. "I thought, 'This guy really gets it.' "
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So, now Coppock has learned the tools of the con man first hand.
This could spell doom for the Monsters in the Morning, too. Not only is NextStep their "title sponsor" but they don't have a lot of other sponsors apparently. Niles Notre Dame high school is one of their bigger sponsors, and that can't bode well.
Frankly, that show needs to have doom spelled for it, since North and Patterson are too dumb to do it on their own, and Jiggs is too busy eating.
How much would it cost to sponsor a segment on that show if NDHS is a sponsor?
Monsters in the Morning sponsored by Hire Jim Essian? I'd suggest Desipio, but Kermit's gone big time.
Quote from: Brownie on June 15, 2009, 09:55:44 AM
How much would it cost to sponsor a segment on that show if NDHS is a sponsor?
Monsters in the Morning sponsored by Hire Jim Essian? I'd suggest Desipio, but Kermit's gone big time.
They'd probably make Kerm join the show.
There's only one person who can save those idiots now.
(http://i44.tinypic.com/vgrbxl.jpg)
Quote from: Brownie on June 15, 2009, 09:55:44 AM
How much would it cost to sponsor a segment on that show if NDHS is a sponsor?
Monsters in the Morning sponsored by Hire Jim Essian? I'd suggest Desipio, but Kermit's gone big time.
I'm sure it's part of his ChicagoNow deal. He and Kaplan are going to do shirtless weather at 7:45 every day.
Quote from: Andy on June 15, 2009, 10:11:21 AM
Quote from: Brownie on June 15, 2009, 09:55:44 AM
How much would it cost to sponsor a segment on that show if NDHS is a sponsor?
Monsters in the Morning sponsored by Hire Jim Essian? I'd suggest Desipio, but Kermit's gone big time.
I'm sure it's part of his ChicagoNow deal. He and Kaplan cubbiejulie are going to do shirtless weather at 7:45 every day.
Continuing to ruin Kermit's breakfast'd.
Quote from: Brownie on June 15, 2009, 10:15:23 AM
Quote from: Andy on June 15, 2009, 10:11:21 AM
Quote from: Brownie on June 15, 2009, 09:55:44 AM
How much would it cost to sponsor a segment on that show if NDHS is a sponsor?
Monsters in the Morning sponsored by Hire Jim Essian? I'd suggest Desipio, but Kermit's gone big time.
I'm sure it's part of his ChicagoNow deal. He and Kaplan cubbiejulie are going to do shirtless weather at 7:45 every day.
Continuing to ruin Kermit's breakfast'd.
That doesn't make it worse. Now, if it were all three of them...
If you guys want to see my tits that badly, just ask.
Quote from: Weebs on June 14, 2009, 01:41:35 PM
Quote from: RV on June 14, 2009, 01:31:14 PM
Quote from: Weebs on June 14, 2009, 12:27:50 PM
Quote from: Wheezer on June 14, 2009, 11:50:16 AM
Quote from: CT III on June 14, 2009, 11:29:31 AM
Per Hit and Ralph on the Score, Gerald Perry has been fired by Jim Hendry.
Von Joshua, c'mon down.
Was he the sax player for Wild Cherry?
Perry gets credit for turning the offense around last season, and now it's his fault they're not hitting? When is it okay for Hendry to tell Soriano (for the last month), Theriot, Milton, Soto and Fontenot to nut up and hit the fucking ball?
You're right. A front office guy telling at a bunch of major league players to "nut up" has a 90% success rate of producing offensive results. Does it work when you do that on the Xbox?
I do agree that making Perry the scapegoat for these buttchuggers is pretty ridiculous.
On the Xbox, I'd just trade Theriot and Cotts for A-Rod.
This is most likely meaningless, but here are the White Sox team OBPs and AL rank under Von's tutelage:
1998: .339, 7th in the AL
1999: .337, 11th in the AL
2000: .356, 4th in the AL (helped by a ridiculous .436 from the Big Blurt)
So after a really good offensive season in which they won the division and then got swept in the first round of the playoffs, the Sox struggled the first couple months of 2001. Then they fired their hitting coach and proceeded to start hitting again. (http://www.baseballdailydigest.com/blogs/2009/06/14/von-joshua-takes-over-as-hitting-coach/)
Hopefully history repeats itself (except for the small matter of the Sox finishing 3rd in 2001).
Quote from: Kermit, B. on June 15, 2009, 11:16:26 AM
If you guys want to see my tits that badly, just ask.
Not again
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/manboobs1106_228x334.jpg)
Quote from: Andy on June 15, 2009, 09:24:13 AM
This could spell doom for the Monsters in the Morning, too. Not only is NextStep their "title sponsor" but they don't have a lot of other sponsors apparently. Niles Notre Dame high school is one of their bigger sponsors, and that can't bode well.
Frankly, that show needs to have doom spelled for it, since North and Patterson are too dumb to do it on their own, and Jiggs is too busy eating.
NNDH is a sponsor?
North is an assistant basketball coach at the school. Something tells me they aren't paying much for the air time.
Quote from: CT III on June 15, 2009, 11:40:10 AM
Quote from: Andy on June 15, 2009, 09:24:13 AM
This could spell doom for the Monsters in the Morning, too. Not only is NextStep their "title sponsor" but they don't have a lot of other sponsors apparently. Niles Notre Dame high school is one of their bigger sponsors, and that can't bode well.
Frankly, that show needs to have doom spelled for it, since North and Patterson are too dumb to do it on their own, and Jiggs is too busy eating.
NNDH is a sponsor?
North is an assistant basketball coach at the school. Something tells me they aren't paying much for the air time.
I remember when they weren't a doormat in basketball.
I guess North and Coppock are the clean ones. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-sec-chicago-sports-webio-jun15,0,4162544.story)
Quotethe civil lawsuit, the SEC charged Hernandez of operating a Ponzi scheme and diverting investor funds to buy cars, jewelry and a piano among other things. He also transferred funds to the bank accounts of two other companies he controlled, including Spectrum Entertainment Group Inc., which funded the talk show, Chicago Sports Webio, the SEC said.
The complaint also said that Hernandez is a convicted felon and that he and his wife, Gina Hernandez, have filed for bankruptcy in 2004, 2005 and 2006. In 1998, Hernandez was convicted of wire fraud arising from previous employment at a bank.
Quote from: Andy on June 15, 2009, 10:11:21 AM
Quote from: Brownie on June 15, 2009, 09:55:44 AM
How much would it cost to sponsor a segment on that show if NDHS is a sponsor?
Monsters in the Morning sponsored by Hire Jim Essian? I'd suggest Desipio, but Kermit's gone big time.
I'm sure it's part of his ChicagoNow deal. He and Kaplan are going to do shirtless weather at 7:45 every day.
The best thing about Kerm joining ChicagoNow will be when you click the "Our Blogs" tab, HJE will be right above Kap's corner.
There goes the fucking neighborhood.
Is this the thread where we talk about the firing of Gerald Perry?
Lee Elia's still never heard of Gerald Perry.
Quote from: Fork on June 15, 2009, 11:55:08 AM
Quote from: Andy on June 15, 2009, 10:11:21 AM
Quote from: Brownie on June 15, 2009, 09:55:44 AM
How much would it cost to sponsor a segment on that show if NDHS is a sponsor?
Monsters in the Morning sponsored by Hire Jim Essian? I'd suggest Desipio, but Kermit's gone big time.
I'm sure it's part of his ChicagoNow deal. He and Kaplan are going to do shirtless weather at 7:45 every day.
The best thing about Kerm joining ChicagoNow will be when you click the "Our Blogs" tab, HJE will be right above Kap's corner.
There goes the fucking neighborhood.
I thought the best part was going to be preemptively banning Yellon.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on June 15, 2009, 01:08:09 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 15, 2009, 11:55:08 AM
Quote from: Andy on June 15, 2009, 10:11:21 AM
Quote from: Brownie on June 15, 2009, 09:55:44 AM
How much would it cost to sponsor a segment on that show if NDHS is a sponsor?
Monsters in the Morning sponsored by Hire Jim Essian? I'd suggest Desipio, but Kermit's gone big time.
I'm sure it's part of his ChicagoNow deal. He and Kaplan are going to do shirtless weather at 7:45 every day.
The best thing about Kerm joining ChicagoNow will be when you click the "Our Blogs" tab, HJE will be right above Kap's corner.
There goes the fucking neighborhood.
I thought the best part was going to be preemptively banning Yellon.
I think there is more value added by taunting him.
Al is on Twitter now.
Good. Another thread talking about Al Yellon.
Hey, who else would love to see the Cubs get more than one bat hot to room temperature at a time right about now?
Quote from: Ivy6 on June 15, 2009, 02:47:41 PM
Good. Another thread talking about Al Yellon.
Banned.
Looks like a fairly prompt ixnay on the Ebioway (http://webbyfiles.blogspot.com/).
Quote from: Wheezer on June 16, 2009, 12:10:52 AM
Looks like a fairly prompt ixnay on the Ebioway (http://webbyfiles.blogspot.com/).
Isn't it cute to see him use phrases like "on the air" - it was a PODCAST.
Still, sucks to see anyone, regardless of what we think of them, get their career torched like that.
Quote from: Fork on June 16, 2009, 08:01:02 AM
Quote from: Wheezer on June 16, 2009, 12:10:52 AM
Looks like a fairly prompt ixnay on the Ebioway (http://webbyfiles.blogspot.com/).
Isn't it cute to see him use phrases like "on the air" - it was a PODCAST.
Still, sucks to see anyone, regardless of what we think of them, get their career torched like that.
Regarding Matt Weber - I never really thought of him, ever. I feel bad for the kid.
Quote from: Fork on June 16, 2009, 08:01:02 AM
Quote from: Wheezer on June 16, 2009, 12:10:52 AM
Looks like a fairly prompt ixnay on the Ebioway (http://webbyfiles.blogspot.com/).
Isn't it cute to see him use phrases like "on the air" - it was a PODCAST.
Still, sucks to see anyone, regardless of what we think of them, get their career torched like that.
Agreed.
It would only be funny if it were BC.
OK, this thing gets weirder. (http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/06/mike-north-david-hernandez-chicago-sports.html)
QuoteDavid Hernandez, the investor in a Chicago Internet radio station who was accused Monday by federal regulators of operating a Ponzi scheme, is missing, according to the Downers Grove police.
Hernandez's wife, Gina, reported him missing after he did not return home from work Monday evening, police said. The couple live in Downers Grove.
Hernandez, 48, was last seen driving an olive-colored 2005 Ford Explorer, police said. He was wearing a burgundy shirt and khaki pants.
Hernandez bilked more than 100 investors in at least 12 states out of $11 million by guaranteeing fixed rates of return as high as 16 percent, the Securities and Exchange Commission said in a civil action filed Monday in federal court in Chicago.
Hernandez told investors that their money would fund a payday lending business but instead he used the cash for personal expenses and other business ventures. One was Chicago Sports Webio, an online site that broadcasts sports-talk shows featuring Mike North, Dan Jiggetts, Chet Coppock and other radio personalities, the SEC said.
Any person with information in regards to his whereabouts should contact the Downers Grove Police Department immediately at 630-434-5600.
Monday, he was at the Webio, busy addressing the soon-to-be-out-of-work staff, and suspending Jesse Rogers for asking Hernandez if he ever spent time in
a Turkish prison. (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?page_id=2317&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3af5555513-c950-4657-a93a-80db16fdf4adPost%3a44abf22c-5372-44c9-88eb-ad6181b78cf2&sid=sitelife.chicagobusiness.com)
QuoteMr. Rogers was on hand Monday when Mr. Hernandez addressed the staff. Mr. Hernandez wouldn't allow him to attend the meeting.
Mr. Rogers speculates that it stemmed from him asking questions about whether Mr. Hernandez spent time in jail. Mr. Hernandez was convicted of wire fraud in 1998 and was sentenced to 34 months in jail.
"Somebody asked him about it," Mr. Rogers said. "He denied it and learned that it had come from me. Turns out he suspended me."
Mr. Rogers learned that at the meeting Mr. Hernandez made accusations of improprieties against Mike North, his wife, BeBe, and Jeff Schwartz. Mr. North was a co-founder in the station, with BeBe serving as the chief operating officer and Mr. Schwartz as the sales manager.
"I want to stress Mike, BeBe and Jeff did nothing wrong," Mr. Rogers said. "I worked closely with BeBe and we went to David if we needed to get anything approved — a computer, travel. All they wanted to do was build something here."
The only question I have is that of Mike North, Chet Coppock, Jesse Rogers, George Ofman, Tim Doyle, Dan Jiggets, Jen Patterson and David "Don't Call Me Keith" Hernandez, only Hernandez disappears?
Quote from: Brownie on June 16, 2009, 03:49:54 PM
OK, this thing gets weirder. (http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/06/mike-north-david-hernandez-chicago-sports.html)
QuoteDavid Hernandez, the investor in a Chicago Internet radio station who was accused Monday by federal regulators of operating a Ponzi scheme, is missing, according to the Downers Grove police.
Hernandez's wife, Gina, reported him missing after he did not return home from work Monday evening, police said. The couple live in Downers Grove.
Hernandez, 48, was last seen driving an olive-colored 2005 Ford Explorer, police said. He was wearing a burgundy shirt and khaki pants.
Hernandez bilked more than 100 investors in at least 12 states out of $11 million by guaranteeing fixed rates of return as high as 16 percent, the Securities and Exchange Commission said in a civil action filed Monday in federal court in Chicago.
Hernandez told investors that their money would fund a payday lending business but instead he used the cash for personal expenses and other business ventures. One was Chicago Sports Webio, an online site that broadcasts sports-talk shows featuring Mike North, Dan Jiggetts, Chet Coppock and other radio personalities, the SEC said.
Any person with information in regards to his whereabouts should contact the Downers Grove Police Department immediately at 630-434-5600.
Monday, he was at the Webio, busy addressing the soon-to-be-out-of-work staff, and suspending Jesse Rogers for asking Hernandez if he ever spent time in a Turkish prison. (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?page_id=2317&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3af5555513-c950-4657-a93a-80db16fdf4adPost%3a44abf22c-5372-44c9-88eb-ad6181b78cf2&sid=sitelife.chicagobusiness.com)
QuoteMr. Rogers was on hand Monday when Mr. Hernandez addressed the staff. Mr. Hernandez wouldn't allow him to attend the meeting.
Mr. Rogers speculates that it stemmed from him asking questions about whether Mr. Hernandez spent time in jail. Mr. Hernandez was convicted of wire fraud in 1998 and was sentenced to 34 months in jail.
"Somebody asked him about it," Mr. Rogers said. "He denied it and learned that it had come from me. Turns out he suspended me."
Mr. Rogers learned that at the meeting Mr. Hernandez made accusations of improprieties against Mike North, his wife, BeBe, and Jeff Schwartz. Mr. North was a co-founder in the station, with BeBe serving as the chief operating officer and Mr. Schwartz as the sales manager.
"I want to stress Mike, BeBe and Jeff did nothing wrong," Mr. Rogers said. "I worked closely with BeBe and we went to David if we needed to get anything approved — a computer, travel. All they wanted to do was build something here."
The only question I have is that of Mike North, Chet Coppock, Jesse Rogers, George Ofman, Tim Doyle, Dan Jiggets, Jen Patterson and David "Don't Call Me Keith" Hernandez, only Hernandez disappears?
This is a clown car that's on fire that's headed for a cliff.
Quote from: MAD on June 16, 2009, 04:08:01 PM
This is a clown car that's on fire that's headed for a cliff.
It's on air now, and listening to Chet. At one point, he mentioned that Hernandez yesterday offered to wire everyone the money if they gave them their bank acct #s and routing numbers. That's when Rogers did some research and found his criminal history. Ergo, Rogers is suspended and barred him from the next meeting. Now, he's on the lam.
Now, Chet's suggesting that maybe he should follow Jake Utler around from Bourbonnais on (all the way to MIAMI!!!!111!!!ONE!!!!) and writing a book just the same way some clown in Milwaukee did in 1970 when the Bucks won it all (and Coppock was the radio producer).
Quote from: Brownie on June 16, 2009, 04:12:12 PM
Quote from: MAD on June 16, 2009, 04:08:01 PM
This is a clown car that's on fire that's headed for a cliff.
It's on air now, and listening to Chet. At one point, he mentioned that Hernandez yesterday offered to wire everyone the money if they gave them their bank acct #s and routing numbers. That's when Rogers did some research and found his criminal history. Ergo, Rogers is suspended and barred him from the next meeting. Now, he's on the lam.
Now, Chet's suggesting that maybe he should follow Jake Utler around from Bourbonnais on (all the way to MIAMI!!!!111!!!ONE!!!!) and writing a book just the same way some clown in Milwaukee did in 1970 when the Bucks won it all (and Coppock was the radio producer).
What we are overlooking is that this is the first time anyone has ever accused Jesse Rogers of asking a tough question.
Quote from: CT III on June 16, 2009, 04:15:31 PM
Quote from: Brownie on June 16, 2009, 04:12:12 PM
Quote from: MAD on June 16, 2009, 04:08:01 PM
This is a clown car that's on fire that's headed for a cliff.
It's on air now, and listening to Chet. At one point, he mentioned that Hernandez yesterday offered to wire everyone the money if they gave them their bank acct #s and routing numbers. That's when Rogers did some research and found his criminal history. Ergo, Rogers is suspended and barred him from the next meeting. Now, he's on the lam.
Now, Chet's suggesting that maybe he should follow Jake Utler around from Bourbonnais on (all the way to MIAMI!!!!111!!!ONE!!!!) and writing a book just the same way some clown in Milwaukee did in 1970 when the Bucks won it all (and Coppock was the radio producer).
What we are overlooking is that this is the first time anyone has ever accused Jesse Rogers of asking a tough question.
How fun would it be if Rogers didn't have a moment of clarity and everyone gave their bank acct and routing numbers out?
Quote from: Brownie on June 16, 2009, 04:12:12 PM
It's on air now, and listening to Chet. At one point, he mentioned that Hernandez yesterday offered to wire everyone the money if they gave them their bank acct #s and routing numbers. That's when Rogers did some research and found his criminal history. Ergo, Rogers is suspended and barred him from the next meeting. Now, he's on the lam.
Wait. Rogers is on the lam or Hernandez is?
QuoteHow fun would it be if Rogers didn't have a moment of clarity and everyone gave their bank acct and routing numbers out?
Boy am I glad I'm not their banker.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 16, 2009, 04:35:08 PM
Quote from: Brownie on June 16, 2009, 04:12:12 PM
It's on air now, and listening to Chet. At one point, he mentioned that Hernandez yesterday offered to wire everyone the money if they gave them their bank acct #s and routing numbers. That's when Rogers did some research and found his criminal history. Ergo, Rogers is suspended and barred him from the next meeting. Now, he's on the lam.
Wait. Rogers is on the lam or Hernandez is?
QuoteHow fun would it be if Rogers didn't have a moment of clarity and everyone gave their bank acct and routing numbers out?
Boy am I glad I'm not their banker.
Hernandez is on the lam. Rogers is simply out of work.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 16, 2009, 04:35:08 PM
Quote from: Brownie on June 16, 2009, 04:12:12 PM
It's on air now, and listening to Chet. At one point, he mentioned that Hernandez yesterday offered to wire everyone the money if they gave them their bank acct #s and routing numbers. That's when Rogers did some research and found his criminal history. Ergo, Rogers is suspended and barred him from the next meeting. Now, he's on the lam.
Wait. Rogers is on the lam or Hernandez is?
QuoteHow fun would it be if Rogers didn't have a moment of clarity and everyone gave their bank acct and routing numbers out?
Boy am I glad I'm not their banker.
I'd love to be their lawyer right now, though.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on June 16, 2009, 05:01:30 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 16, 2009, 04:35:08 PM
Quote from: Brownie on June 16, 2009, 04:12:12 PM
It's on air now, and listening to Chet. At one point, he mentioned that Hernandez yesterday offered to wire everyone the money if they gave them their bank acct #s and routing numbers. That's when Rogers did some research and found his criminal history. Ergo, Rogers is suspended and barred him from the next meeting. Now, he's on the lam.
Wait. Rogers is on the lam or Hernandez is?
QuoteHow fun would it be if Rogers didn't have a moment of clarity and everyone gave their bank acct and routing numbers out?
Boy am I glad I'm not their banker.
I'd love to be their lawyer right now, though.
Not sure I want to be North's lawyer right now (although my guess is that Hernandez was HIS GUY! and so never had anyone do any diligence).
I'm surprised that most people don't think North was in on this scheme.
Check out this "well written" take on it, conveniently linked to from NorthtoNorth.com.
http://chicagolandradioandmedia.blogspot.com/2009/06/chicagosportswebiocoms-meltdown.html
My favorite part, his use, twice of "negative naysayers" I find them much more irritating than the positive naysayers.
ChicagoSportsWebio shouldn't have worked, didn't work and never would have worked.
And, I like how the commenters are addressing North directly.
Quote from: Andy on June 16, 2009, 08:03:06 PM
My favorite part, his use, twice of "negative naysayers" I find them much more irritating than the positive naysayers.
One would think they could have come up with a better nod to the
Agnew-Safire Grier-Milland rhetorical factory.
CT, do you know anyone who can pull some strings for us? (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?page_id=2317&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3af5555513-c950-4657-a93a-80db16fdf4adPost%3a7f3ba861-af76-441b-87e3-3eb3c622fed3&sid=sitelife.chicagobusiness.com)
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Suddenly, it was all over for Mr. Coppock. Just like that.
Now at age 61, he wonders if he has done his last show.
"Nobody's going to hire me to be a go-go dancer," Mr. Coppock said. "(WMVP) wouldn't hire me if Chevrolet walked in with 100 large and said, 'Take back Coppock.' We didn't leave on good terms. There's no room at (WSCR). I'm 61. Everyone wants the kids. I don't know where to go."
You could hear the pain in Mr. Coppock's voice when he later said, "I might have to enter the real world, and frankly that scares the hell out of me. If I have to sell life insurance, I might have to slit my wrists."
Make it happen. Please!
Quote from: Brownie on June 17, 2009, 10:45:14 AM
CT, do you know anyone who can pull some strings for us? (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?page_id=2317&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3af5555513-c950-4657-a93a-80db16fdf4adPost%3a7f3ba861-af76-441b-87e3-3eb3c622fed3&sid=sitelife.chicagobusiness.com)
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Suddenly, it was all over for Mr. Coppock. Just like that.
Now at age 61, he wonders if he has done his last show.
"Nobody's going to hire me to be a go-go dancer," Mr. Coppock said. "(WMVP) wouldn't hire me if Chevrolet walked in with 100 large and said, 'Take back Coppock.' We didn't leave on good terms. There's no room at (WSCR). I'm 61. Everyone wants the kids. I don't know where to go."
You could hear the pain in Mr. Coppock's voice when he later said, "I might have to enter the real world, and frankly that scares the hell out of me. If I have to sell life insurance, I might have to slit my wrists."
Make it happen. Please!
Fuck you Chet Coppock, I sell life insurance. Frankly, I'd slit my wrists if somehow you did get another on-air job.
Quote from: Ivy6 on June 17, 2009, 10:48:26 AM
Quote from: Brownie on June 17, 2009, 10:45:14 AM
CT, do you know anyone who can pull some strings for us? (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?page_id=2317&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3af5555513-c950-4657-a93a-80db16fdf4adPost%3a7f3ba861-af76-441b-87e3-3eb3c622fed3&sid=sitelife.chicagobusiness.com)
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Suddenly, it was all over for Mr. Coppock. Just like that.
Now at age 61, he wonders if he has done his last show.
"Nobody's going to hire me to be a go-go dancer," Mr. Coppock said. "(WMVP) wouldn't hire me if Chevrolet walked in with 100 large and said, 'Take back Coppock.' We didn't leave on good terms. There's no room at (WSCR). I'm 61. Everyone wants the kids. I don't know where to go."
You could hear the pain in Mr. Coppock's voice when he later said, "I might have to enter the real world, and frankly that scares the hell out of me. If I have to sell life insurance, I might have to slit my wrists."
Make it happen. Please!
Fuck you Chet Coppock, I sell life insurance. Frankly, I'd slit my wrists if somehow you did get another on-air job.
So you can tell us how having whole life is better than half a life?
This offense has been as putrid as a fart-soaked corpse for a month and a half now.
Team stats since Aramis went on the DL:
.243 BA, .707 OPS
With runners in scoring position:
.223 BA, .659 OPS
Yeah, Aramis is awesome and some dropoff was to be expected, and they're still only 1 back in the loss column. But watching this shitshow day after day is starting to invoke LoneStar levels of rage in me. Why has the offense turned into the Washington Athleticbacks?
Quote from: RV on June 17, 2009, 03:02:44 PM
This offense has been as putrid as a fart-soaked corpse for a month and a half now.
Team stats since Aramis went on the DL:
.243 BA, .707 OPS
With runners in scoring position:
.223 BA, .659 OPS
Yeah, Aramis is awesome and some dropoff was to be expected, and they're still only 1 back in the loss column. But watching this shitshow day after day is starting to invoke LoneStar levels of rage in me. Why has the offense turned into the Washington Athleticbacks?
Soriano can't hit right now (right now being since mid-May). Bradley hasn't been an extra-base threat. Soto no longer inspires fear in pitchers. Lee is hardly a guy people are afraid to pitch to. Who after that? Theriot? Reed Johnson? Fukudome? Fontenot? Aaron Miles?
Last year, the Cubs had three or four guys pitchers wanted to avoid: Soriano, Ramirez, Soto and maybe Edmonds. Meanwhile DeRosa/Fontenot were a threat to do something, and Lee at least could hang his hat on his past. Reputation has something to do with the way a pitcher pitches to you, no?
I no longer care if this makes me sound like Lonestar.
This team fucking blows.
Quote from: RV on June 17, 2009, 03:02:44 PM
This offense has been as putrid as a fart-soaked corpse for a month and a half now.
Team stats since Aramis went on the DL:
.243 BA, .707 OPS
With runners in scoring position:
.223 BA, .659 OPS
Yeah, Aramis is awesome and some dropoff was to be expected, and they're still only 1 back in the loss column. But watching this shitshow day after day is starting to invoke LoneStar levels of rage in me. Why has the offense turned into the Washington Athleticbacks?
Between Miles and Fontenot the lineup is anchored with dead weight. Any bench options to get one of these two out of the lineup are limited because of the dead weight that is David Patton. Bradley is a sack of shit.
Aaron Miles - do players get any worse than this? He's making me long for Neifi.
Aaron Miles and his dwarfish features makes me vomit everytime I see him.
Fuck him in his David the Gnome-esque ass.
Quote from: Slak on June 17, 2009, 03:30:32 PM
Aaron Miles - do players get any worse than this? He's making me long for Neifi.
Neifi is such a better ballplayer than Miles is. It sucks so bad to say that, but it's true.
I don't care if I sound like Chuck, but Soriano has been a joke this year. Not many FYC moments since April.
I no longer care if I sound like BH. Italian beef sammiches with extra hot peppers and mozzarella fucking rule. Also, I like beer.
Quote from: Brownie on June 17, 2009, 03:53:51 PM
I don't care if I sound like Chuck, but Soriano has been a joke this year and I'm loving every minute of it! Not many FYC moments since April.
If you really want to sound like Chuck'd
I can't believe Jim Hendry's "we need guys who swing poorly from the left side of the plate" plan failed. It seemed so foolproof.
Freudian Slip by Pat Hughes: "Bradley to try to lead off here."
Quote from: Slak on June 17, 2009, 03:30:32 PM
Aaron Miles - do players get any worse than this? He's making me long for Neifi.
Hendry gave them both two year contracts when no one else had offered them anything. So...
Someone needs to put Miles in the same place with a dead woman or a live boy. Now.
Adam Dunns' defense would of made us 16-45 right now or some shit. I mean look how much he's helping the Nationals! Fuck you Dunn. No one needs your 17 homeruns or OPS+ of 146! Im quite happy with the 5 homeruns and OPS+ of 86 that injury-prone Crazy Uncle Milton is giving us!
/end NSBB style post.
Fuck todays game.
Why doesn't Lou just do what Leyland did to Neifi? Put some greenies in his coffee, make sure he gets tested and then 50 games without pay!
Then when he comes back, you do it again, 100 more!
It's just crazy enough to work. Too bad the Cubs aren't.
This team fucking sucks. I was at the game today and the fact that any Cubs fans could talk shit to a Sox fan (and vice versa, they suck too) is flatout retarded. I had to sit there for 9 innings as some fucktwats behind me dissected every play like they knew what the fuck they were talking about. All the while, the meth head with the "MONEY MIKE" Sox jersey four rows up was shouting that apparently Jim Thome was the shit, despite showing up for a single pinch-hit late in the game. I wanted to shove all of them down the stairs, but this team doesn't even deserve that much of an emotional response from me. Fuck everybody on this team not named Derrek Lee or Ted Lilly.
Quote from: Weebs on June 17, 2009, 05:37:47 PM
This team fucking sucks. I was at the game today and the fact that any Cubs fans could talk shit to a Sox fan (and vice versa, they suck too) is flatout retarded. I had to sit there for 9 innings as some fucktwats behind me dissected every play like they knew what the fuck they were talking about. All the while, the meth head with the "MONEY MIKE" Sox jersey four rows up was shouting that apparently Jim Thome was the shit, despite showing up for a single pinch-hit late in the game. I wanted to shove all of them down the stairs, but this team doesn't even deserve that much of an emotional response from me. Fuck everybody on this team not named Derrek Lee or Ted Lilly.
Fuck Carlos Zambrano?
Quote from: PenFoe on June 17, 2009, 05:39:04 PM
Quote from: Weebs on June 17, 2009, 05:37:47 PM
This team fucking sucks. I was at the game today and the fact that any Cubs fans could talk shit to a Sox fan (and vice versa, they suck too) is flatout retarded. I had to sit there for 9 innings as some fucktwats behind me dissected every play like they knew what the fuck they were talking about. All the while, the meth head with the "MONEY MIKE" Sox jersey four rows up was shouting that apparently Jim Thome was the shit, despite showing up for a single pinch-hit late in the game. I wanted to shove all of them down the stairs, but this team doesn't even deserve that much of an emotional response from me. Fuck everybody on this team not named Derrek Lee or Ted Lilly.
Fuck Carlos Zambrano?
I'm still on the fence about that lunatic.
Zambrano could kick the shit out of Aaron Miles tomorrow, and I know which side of the fence all of you's will be on.
Quote from: Brownie on June 17, 2009, 05:43:37 PM
Zambrano could kick the shit out of Aaron Miles tomorrow, and I know which side of the fence all of you's will be on.
I realize I'm young, but I've never watched a player that I've had such pure hatred for more than Aaron Miles. He could be hitting a game-winning grand slam and I'd still want to kick him in his dwarf head. He's the single most infuriating baseball player I've ever had the pleasure of watching. That includes you, Korey.
Quote from: Brownie on June 17, 2009, 05:43:37 PM
Zambrano could kick the shit out of Aaron Miles tomorrow, and I know which side of the fence all of you's will be on.
But he won't.
How anyone can be upset with the pitching is beyond me. It's been fantastic. Better than we could have hoped. Pitching ain't the problem.
Quote from: Slak on June 17, 2009, 05:49:00 PM
Quote from: Brownie on June 17, 2009, 05:43:37 PM
Zambrano could kick the shit out of Aaron Miles tomorrow, and I know which side of the fence all of you's will be on.
But he won't.
How anyone can be upset with the pitching is beyond me. It's been fantastic. Better than we could have hoped. Pitching ain't the problem.
It's definitely not the problem, but doesn't it seem like Dempster is starting to get Jason Marquis disease, where he gives up JUST enough runs to help the team lose? Or is that my Dempsterhate being rekindled?
Quote from: Kermit, B. on June 17, 2009, 05:52:08 PM
Quote from: Slak on June 17, 2009, 05:49:00 PM
Quote from: Brownie on June 17, 2009, 05:43:37 PM
Zambrano could kick the shit out of Aaron Miles tomorrow, and I know which side of the fence all of you's will be on.
But he won't.
How anyone can be upset with the pitching is beyond me. It's been fantastic. Better than we could have hoped. Pitching ain't the problem.
It's definitely not the problem, but doesn't it seem like Dempster is starting to get Jason Marquis disease, where he gives up JUST enough runs to help the team lose? Or is that my Dempsterhate being rekindled?
If zero earned runs is going to be JUST enough for him to get the win, there are much bigger problems than Dempster doing his Jason Marquis shtick.
I'm floored that you're actually talking about baseball, rather than compuglobalhypermeganet840.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on June 17, 2009, 05:52:08 PM
Quote from: Slak on June 17, 2009, 05:49:00 PM
Quote from: Brownie on June 17, 2009, 05:43:37 PM
Zambrano could kick the shit out of Aaron Miles tomorrow, and I know which side of the fence all of you's will be on.
But he won't.
How anyone can be upset with the pitching is beyond me. It's been fantastic. Better than we could have hoped. Pitching ain't the problem.
It's definitely not the problem, but doesn't it seem like Dempster is starting to get Jason Marquis disease, where he gives up JUST enough runs to help the team lose? Or is that my Dempsterhate being rekindled?
Intrepid Reader: David KaplanSurely you're not talking about the same Jason Marquis who is a better pitcher than Big Z.
DPD, but maybe we should trade for the ghost of Jason Marquis? Phildo thinks he's swell and worthy of consideration on the All-City Useless Team.
Quote from: Weebs on June 17, 2009, 06:00:22 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on June 17, 2009, 05:52:08 PM
Quote from: Slak on June 17, 2009, 05:49:00 PM
Quote from: Brownie on June 17, 2009, 05:43:37 PM
Zambrano could kick the shit out of Aaron Miles tomorrow, and I know which side of the fence all of you's will be on.
But he won't.
How anyone can be upset with the pitching is beyond me. It's been fantastic. Better than we could have hoped. Pitching ain't the problem.
It's definitely not the problem, but doesn't it seem like Dempster is starting to get Jason Marquis disease, where he gives up JUST enough runs to help the team lose? Or is that my Dempsterhate being rekindled?
If zero earned runs is going to be JUST enough for him to get the win, there are much bigger problems than Dempster doing his Jason Marquis shtick.
I find myself agreeing with Weebs and not with Kerm. I hate my life.
Quote from: Weebs on June 17, 2009, 06:00:22 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on June 17, 2009, 05:52:08 PM
Quote from: Slak on June 17, 2009, 05:49:00 PM
Quote from: Brownie on June 17, 2009, 05:43:37 PM
Zambrano could kick the shit out of Aaron Miles tomorrow, and I know which side of the fence all of you's will be on.
But he won't.
How anyone can be upset with the pitching is beyond me. It's been fantastic. Better than we could have hoped. Pitching ain't the problem.
It's definitely not the problem, but doesn't it seem like Dempster is starting to get Jason Marquis disease, where he gives up JUST enough runs to help the team lose? Or is that my Dempsterhate being rekindled?
If zero earned runs is going to be JUST enough for him to get the win, there are much bigger problems than Dempster doing his Jason Marquis shtick.
You suck.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on June 17, 2009, 06:20:17 PM
Quote from: Weebs on June 17, 2009, 06:00:22 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on June 17, 2009, 05:52:08 PM
Quote from: Slak on June 17, 2009, 05:49:00 PM
Quote from: Brownie on June 17, 2009, 05:43:37 PM
Zambrano could kick the shit out of Aaron Miles tomorrow, and I know which side of the fence all of you's will be on.
But he won't.
How anyone can be upset with the pitching is beyond me. It's been fantastic. Better than we could have hoped. Pitching ain't the problem.
It's definitely not the problem, but doesn't it seem like Dempster is starting to get Jason Marquis disease, where he gives up JUST enough runs to help the team lose? Or is that my Dempsterhate being rekindled?
If zero earned runs is going to be JUST enough for him to get the win, there are much bigger problems than Dempster doing his Jason Marquis shtick then Dempster is absolutely nothing like Jason Marquis.
You suck.
Happy'd?
Quote from: Kermit, B. on June 17, 2009, 05:52:08 PM
Quote from: Slak on June 17, 2009, 05:49:00 PM
Quote from: Brownie on June 17, 2009, 05:43:37 PM
Zambrano could kick the shit out of Aaron Miles tomorrow, and I know which side of the fence all of you's will be on.
But he won't.
How anyone can be upset with the pitching is beyond me. It's been fantastic. Better than we could have hoped. Pitching ain't the problem.
It's definitely not the problem, but doesn't it seem like Dempster is starting to get Jason Marquis disease, where he gives up JUST enough runs to help the team lose? Or is that my Dempsterhate being rekindled?
Way to rag on the guy with daughtercancer, jerk.
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on June 17, 2009, 06:07:18 PM
DPD, but maybe we should trade for the ghost of Jason Marquis? Phildo thinks he's swell and worthy of consideration on the All-City Useless Team.
Let's set up a three-way deal netting our CUBBIEZ the talented Jason Marquis and the omgsoooo
versatile Mark DeRosa. Get it done, Jim!
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on June 17, 2009, 08:10:04 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on June 17, 2009, 06:07:18 PM
DPD, but maybe we should trade for the ghost of Jason Marquis? Phildo thinks he's swell and worthy of consideration on the All-City Useless Team.
Let's set up a three-way deal netting our CUBBIEZ the talented Jason Marquis and the omgsooooversatile Mark DeRosa. Get it done, Jim!
I seriously hope DeRosa gets buttcancer of the mouth and dies.
Quote from: butthead on June 12, 2009, 12:09:00 PM
Lou is moving Fontenot up to second, and dropping Theriot and Fukudome down, or something like that. That should fix it. I PREDICT (say it like you mean it one more time for Murph) that they score 10 runs today on the homestand.
Hopeful'd.
Kap lost his mind during the first few minutes of SportsCentral. It nearly entered the territory of that Detroit talker who lost his mind talking about Michigan State blowing a big lead to Notre Dame a couple of years ago ("Pucker, Pucker...")... Anyway, compared to Kap, today, here's what an Ivy Chat entry reads like:
QuoteAlfonso Soriano is a great baseball player, a great hitter, and a credit to the game. I love him. I shall never write anything bad about him.
So Kap is focusing all of his energy on Soriano, who is awful since April. I agree with that. Kap then suggested Lou bench Soriano until Monday (if that short a time) and called for Jake Fox to be the new left fielder.
He then called out "Bad Kermit, whoever you are with the goofy nickname sending me e-mails everyday, who today said that Soriano had a good arm...." Kaplan reported to Kermit that
the fourth anniversary is leather Soriano is a poor left fielder, because he is bad out there. That's when I did what Kap could only dream of doing: I called the man of the goofy nickname and reported that Kaplan was ranting on Kermit. At this point, I had to lower my radio even more to hear Kermit because KAPLAN WAS SHOUTING!! (at this point, no doubt blaming Kermit and Jim Essian for the team's offensive woes). After that, I was home, so I parked my car in the garage and went inside to talk to my wife, who had much better baseball insight than David Kaplan. She's also better looking, more interesting, would never ask Andy for his phone number, and cooks a decent meal.
Did anyone else hear Kaplan?
Quote from: Brownie on June 17, 2009, 08:48:56 PM
Kap lost his mind during the first few minutes of SportsCentral. It nearly entered the territory of that Detroit talker who lost his mind talking about Michigan State blowing a big lead to Notre Dame a couple of years ago ("Pucker, Pucker...")... Anyway, compared to Kap, today, here's what an Ivy Chat entry reads like:
QuoteAlfonso Soriano is a great baseball player, a great hitter, and a credit to the game. I love him. I shall never write anything bad about him.
So Kap is focusing all of his energy on Soriano, who is awful since April. I agree with that. Kap then suggested Lou bench Soriano until Monday (if that short a time) and called for Jake Fox to be the new left fielder.
He then called out "Bad Kermit, whoever you are with the goofy nickname sending me e-mails everyday, who today said that Soriano had a good arm...." Kaplan reported to Kermit that the fourth anniversary is leather Soriano is a poor left fielder, because he is bad out there. That's when I did what Kap could only dream of doing: I called the man of the goofy nickname and reported that Kaplan was ranting on Kermit. At this point, I had to lower my radio even more to hear Kermit because KAPLAN WAS SHOUTING!! (at this point, no doubt blaming Kermit and Jim Essian for the team's offensive woes). After that, I was home, so I parked my car in the garage and went inside to talk to my wife, who had much better baseball insight than David Kaplan. She's also better looking, more interesting, would never ask Andy for his phone number, and cooks a decent meal.
Did anyone else hear Kaplan?
This fringe community is really making waves lately.
Quote from: Brownie on June 17, 2009, 08:48:56 PM
Kap lost his mind during the first few minutes of SportsCentral. It nearly entered the territory of that Detroit talker who lost his mind talking about Michigan State blowing a big lead to Notre Dame a couple of years ago ("Pucker, Pucker...")... Anyway, compared to Kap, today, here's what an Ivy Chat entry reads like:
QuoteAlfonso Soriano is a great baseball player, a great hitter, and a credit to the game. I love him. I shall never write anything bad about him.
So Kap is focusing all of his energy on Soriano, who is awful since April. I agree with that. Kap then suggested Lou bench Soriano until Monday (if that short a time) and called for Jake Fox to be the new left fielder.
He then called out "Bad Kermit, whoever you are with the goofy nickname sending me e-mails everyday, who today said that Soriano had a good arm...." Kaplan reported to Kermit that the fourth anniversary is leather Soriano is a poor left fielder, because he is bad out there. That's when I did what Kap could only dream of doing: I called the man of the goofy nickname and reported that Kaplan was ranting on Kermit. At this point, I had to lower my radio even more to hear Kermit because KAPLAN WAS SHOUTING!! (at this point, no doubt blaming Kermit and Jim Essian for the team's offensive woes). After that, I was home, so I parked my car in the garage and went inside to talk to my wife, who had much better baseball insight than David Kaplan. She's also better looking, more interesting, would never ask Andy for his phone number, and cooks a decent meal.
Did anyone else hear Kaplan?
Sadly, this is by far the best thing I've read all day.
Quote from: Slak on June 17, 2009, 03:19:29 PM
I no longer care if this makes me sound like Lonestar.
This team fucking blows.
Just because Lonestar overreacts to every loss doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to bitch when it is warranted. This team is playing like shit and I can't wait for Cutler season.
BC has a better chance of scoring each day than the Cubs do. That fucking sucks.
Quote from: Brownie on June 17, 2009, 08:48:56 PM
After that, I was home, so I parked my car in the garage and went inside to talk to my wife, who had much better baseball insight than David Kaplan. She's also better looking, more interesting, would never ask Andy for his phone number, and cooks a decent meal.
Too late.
By the way, TJ's description finally pointed something out to me. Because of the way Chicago Now has their blogs set up, the writers get an e-mail every time we comment. So Kaplan thinks that we're directly e-mailing him. The man is a fucking idiot.
I was wondering who she playfully calls "Desip" on the phone when I come home and she nervously says "Gottagobye." Yes, I married Jimmy Greenfield.
Since I'm enjoying this thread more when it focuses on David Hernandez and Webio, let's talk about another one of Andy's friends: Tom Shaer. He got hosed by Hernandez in the '90s, and he still considers Mike North a "friend." So when his friend says "I'm about to sink my old hot dog fortune into this business venture with Hernandez," Shaer decides it's best to keep his mouth shut. (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?page_id=2317&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3af5555513-c950-4657-a93a-80db16fdf4adPost%3a28dabfec-2ffc-4f43-8ec1-1fee96c7aa4a&sid=sitelife.chicagobusiness.com)
North is angry at Shaer, but again, if Shaer met Hernandez through North, did business with Hernandez and then saw Hernandez go to jail, why wouldn't North have noticed? (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?page_id=2317&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3af5555513-c950-4657-a93a-80db16fdf4adPost%3a46e3f1d6-fcd0-4f20-a78d-9b2b44fecf63&sid=sitelife.chicagobusiness.com)
Finally, Cortez Trotter was hired by Hernandez to do some management consulting for the webio in April. (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?page_id=2317&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3af5555513-c950-4657-a93a-80db16fdf4adPost%3accb0468f-7061-4cbf-9838-ccf2f743a6ca&sid=sitelife.chicagobusiness.com)
The real tragedy in the webio debacle is that we will never get to hear Ray Mancini's opinion on the Von Joshua era.
I'm truly enjoying this Webio saga.
So Mike North was partying with Hernandez as far back as 1996.
Hernandez goes to jail in 1998.
North still decides to do business with the guy in 2009. So North's whole "How could I have known?!" shtick is bullshit.
If North somehow ends up getting charged with something and going to trial, this could provide months of entertainment.
Quote from: Weebs on June 17, 2009, 06:22:21 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on June 17, 2009, 06:20:17 PM
Quote from: Weebs on June 17, 2009, 06:00:22 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on June 17, 2009, 05:52:08 PM
Quote from: Slak on June 17, 2009, 05:49:00 PM
Quote from: Brownie on June 17, 2009, 05:43:37 PM
Zambrano could kick the shit out of Aaron Miles tomorrow, and I know which side of the fence all of you's will be on.
But he won't.
How anyone can be upset with the pitching is beyond me. It's been fantastic. Better than we could have hoped. Pitching ain't the problem.
It's definitely not the problem, but doesn't it seem like Dempster is starting to get Jason Marquis disease, where he gives up JUST enough runs to help the team lose? Or is that my Dempsterhate being rekindled?
If zero earned runs is going to be JUST enough for him to get the win, there are much bigger problems than Dempster doing his Jason Marquis shtick then Dempster is absolutely nothing like Jason Marquis.
You suck.
Happy'd?
Considering that's not what I said, no, not really.
'Mr. Hernandez (was) a "Score groupie." He would hang out at remotes and frequently called in to the station, identifying himself as "Banker Dave."'
Maybe I can sue the guy for defamation of character? He's gonna but all of those in my profession in a bad light.
Quote from: Brownie on June 17, 2009, 08:48:56 PM
Kap lost his mind during the first few minutes of SportsCentral. It nearly entered the territory of that Detroit talker who lost his mind talking about Michigan State blowing a big lead to Notre Dame a couple of years ago ("Pucker, Pucker...")... Anyway, compared to Kap, today, here's what an Ivy Chat entry reads like:
QuoteAlfonso Soriano is a great baseball player, a great hitter, and a credit to the game. I love him. I shall never write anything bad about him.
So Kap is focusing all of his energy on Soriano, who is awful since April. I agree with that. Kap then suggested Lou bench Soriano until Monday (if that short a time) and called for Jake Fox to be the new left fielder.
He then called out "Bad Kermit, whoever you are with the goofy nickname sending me e-mails everyday, who today said that Soriano had a good arm...." Kaplan reported to Kermit that the fourth anniversary is leather Soriano is a poor left fielder, because he is bad out there. That's when I did what Kap could only dream of doing: I called the man of the goofy nickname and reported that Kaplan was ranting on Kermit. At this point, I had to lower my radio even more to hear Kermit because KAPLAN WAS SHOUTING!! (at this point, no doubt blaming Kermit and Jim Essian for the team's offensive woes). After that, I was home, so I parked my car in the garage and went inside to talk to my wife, who had much better baseball insight than David Kaplan. She's also better looking, more interesting, would never ask Andy for his phone number, and cooks a decent meal.
Did anyone else hear Kaplan?
I think I've posted about four comments on his stupid blog, so it's hardly every day. After TJ's tip, I tried to call in to Krap's show a couple of times. I'm guessing they probably would have put me through, but I kept getting a busy signal. I'm thrilled to death you heard this, TJ, but I have to ask. Why in the hell were you listening to his show? I seriously think middle-aged women, retired men, and Chuck comprise 95% of his audience.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on June 18, 2009, 10:14:54 AM
Quote from: Brownie on June 17, 2009, 08:48:56 PM
Kap lost his mind during the first few minutes of SportsCentral. It nearly entered the territory of that Detroit talker who lost his mind talking about Michigan State blowing a big lead to Notre Dame a couple of years ago ("Pucker, Pucker...")... Anyway, compared to Kap, today, here's what an Ivy Chat entry reads like:
QuoteAlfonso Soriano is a great baseball player, a great hitter, and a credit to the game. I love him. I shall never write anything bad about him.
So Kap is focusing all of his energy on Soriano, who is awful since April. I agree with that. Kap then suggested Lou bench Soriano until Monday (if that short a time) and called for Jake Fox to be the new left fielder.
He then called out "Bad Kermit, whoever you are with the goofy nickname sending me e-mails everyday, who today said that Soriano had a good arm...." Kaplan reported to Kermit that the fourth anniversary is leather Soriano is a poor left fielder, because he is bad out there. That's when I did what Kap could only dream of doing: I called the man of the goofy nickname and reported that Kaplan was ranting on Kermit. At this point, I had to lower my radio even more to hear Kermit because KAPLAN WAS SHOUTING!! (at this point, no doubt blaming Kermit and Jim Essian for the team's offensive woes). After that, I was home, so I parked my car in the garage and went inside to talk to my wife, who had much better baseball insight than David Kaplan. She's also better looking, more interesting, would never ask Andy for his phone number, and cooks a decent meal.
Did anyone else hear Kaplan?
I think I've posted about four comments on his stupid blog, so it's hardly every day. After TJ's tip, I tried to call in to Krap's show a couple of times. I'm guessing they probably would have put me through, but I kept getting a busy signal. I'm thrilled to death you heard this, TJ, but I have to ask. Why in the hell were you listening to his show? I seriously think middle-aged women, retired men, and Chuck comprise 95% of his audience.
So he really mentioned you by fake name?
Quote from: Slak on June 18, 2009, 10:16:46 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on June 18, 2009, 10:14:54 AM
Quote from: Brownie on June 17, 2009, 08:48:56 PM
Kap lost his mind during the first few minutes of SportsCentral. It nearly entered the territory of that Detroit talker who lost his mind talking about Michigan State blowing a big lead to Notre Dame a couple of years ago ("Pucker, Pucker...")... Anyway, compared to Kap, today, here's what an Ivy Chat entry reads like:
QuoteAlfonso Soriano is a great baseball player, a great hitter, and a credit to the game. I love him. I shall never write anything bad about him.
So Kap is focusing all of his energy on Soriano, who is awful since April. I agree with that. Kap then suggested Lou bench Soriano until Monday (if that short a time) and called for Jake Fox to be the new left fielder.
He then called out "Bad Kermit, whoever you are with the goofy nickname sending me e-mails everyday, who today said that Soriano had a good arm...." Kaplan reported to Kermit that the fourth anniversary is leather Soriano is a poor left fielder, because he is bad out there. That's when I did what Kap could only dream of doing: I called the man of the goofy nickname and reported that Kaplan was ranting on Kermit. At this point, I had to lower my radio even more to hear Kermit because KAPLAN WAS SHOUTING!! (at this point, no doubt blaming Kermit and Jim Essian for the team's offensive woes). After that, I was home, so I parked my car in the garage and went inside to talk to my wife, who had much better baseball insight than David Kaplan. She's also better looking, more interesting, would never ask Andy for his phone number, and cooks a decent meal.
Did anyone else hear Kaplan?
I think I've posted about four comments on his stupid blog, so it's hardly every day. After TJ's tip, I tried to call in to Krap's show a couple of times. I'm guessing they probably would have put me through, but I kept getting a busy signal. I'm thrilled to death you heard this, TJ, but I have to ask. Why in the hell were you listening to his show? I seriously think middle-aged women, retired men, and Chuck comprise 95% of his audience.
So he really mentioned you by fake name?
Unless TJ is a huge liar, yes. He's also censoring comments on his blog (at least my comments). What he was referring to yesterday that I emailed him about Soriano's arm was actually supposed to be a comment to his latest awful blog entry. But the comment still isn't posted. Andy's right. The idiot just thinks I'm emailing him directly.
Chuck, can you please explain the internet to your brofriend?
Quote from: Slak on June 18, 2009, 10:16:46 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on June 18, 2009, 10:14:54 AM
Quote from: Brownie on June 17, 2009, 08:48:56 PM
Kap lost his mind during the first few minutes of SportsCentral. It nearly entered the territory of that Detroit talker who lost his mind talking about Michigan State blowing a big lead to Notre Dame a couple of years ago ("Pucker, Pucker...")... Anyway, compared to Kap, today, here's what an Ivy Chat entry reads like:
QuoteAlfonso Soriano is a great baseball player, a great hitter, and a credit to the game. I love him. I shall never write anything bad about him.
So Kap is focusing all of his energy on Soriano, who is awful since April. I agree with that. Kap then suggested Lou bench Soriano until Monday (if that short a time) and called for Jake Fox to be the new left fielder.
He then called out "Bad Kermit, whoever you are with the goofy nickname sending me e-mails everyday, who today said that Soriano had a good arm...." Kaplan reported to Kermit that the fourth anniversary is leather Soriano is a poor left fielder, because he is bad out there. That's when I did what Kap could only dream of doing: I called the man of the goofy nickname and reported that Kaplan was ranting on Kermit. At this point, I had to lower my radio even more to hear Kermit because KAPLAN WAS SHOUTING!! (at this point, no doubt blaming Kermit and Jim Essian for the team's offensive woes). After that, I was home, so I parked my car in the garage and went inside to talk to my wife, who had much better baseball insight than David Kaplan. She's also better looking, more interesting, would never ask Andy for his phone number, and cooks a decent meal.
Did anyone else hear Kaplan?
I think I've posted about four comments on his stupid blog, so it's hardly every day. After TJ's tip, I tried to call in to Krap's show a couple of times. I'm guessing they probably would have put me through, but I kept getting a busy signal. I'm thrilled to death you heard this, TJ, but I have to ask. Why in the hell were you listening to his show? I seriously think middle-aged women, retired men, and Chuck comprise 95% of his audience.
So he really mentioned you by fake name?
Yes, Kap said, "and, to you Bad Kermit, whoever you are with that goofy nickname e-mailing me everyday, you can talk all you want about Soriano's arm, but he's awful!" Then Kaplan stammered, sputtered and ranted some incoherent crap. Seriously, next to Kap, Banker Chuck is the President of the Alfonso Soriano Fan Club.
I listened to WGN only because I had WGN on during lunch listening to Santo bitch about how awful the Cubs hitters are.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on June 18, 2009, 10:21:35 AM
Chuck, can you please explain the internet to your brofriend?
I can try, but give that the 7 to 9 block is generally homework-playing outside-bath time for the Murton's, I think you are overstating Kap's audience. Last night was the first time I listened to him in weeks as I was in the car heading to a meeting and thought there might be some good lunacy to listen to. I guess I missed it by about 10 minutes.
QuoteBanker Chuck is the President of the Alfonso Soriano Fan Club
Not many members left. Thank god I got them to pay their 8 years of dues up front.
Quote from: Slak on June 17, 2009, 05:49:00 PM
Quote from: Brownie on June 17, 2009, 05:43:37 PM
Zambrano could kick the shit out of Aaron Miles tomorrow, and I know which side of the fence all of you's will be on.
But he won't.
Are you sure?
As we know from experience, that would be WAY more entertaining than the actual games these days.
Quote from: RV on June 18, 2009, 10:10:15 AM
So Mike North was partying with Hernandez as far back as 1996.
Hernandez goes to jail in 1998.
North still decides to do business with the guy in 2009. So North's whole "How could I have known?!" shtick is bullshit.
If North somehow ends up getting charged with something and going to trial, this could provide months of entertainment awesome.
I'm still waiting for the soon-to-be unemployed Jen Patterson filing a sexual harassment lawsuit against Jiggetts for the "weiner" comment. After WGN signed off from the rain delay, I switched to CSN, which showed the 10th inning of the Cubs-Sox game in 2001 where Carlos Lee hit a grand slam in the 10th. After that was over, they went into Monsters in the Morning Primetime from the day before. I inexplicably stayed with it all the way to the "weiner" bit. Jiggets didn't just make one comment about "wait until you get finished with my weiner right here;" he made several, egging her on, "come see my weiner, etc., etc." Kermit said a panicked camera guy panned down to a hot dog, but that's not entirely true. You see a panicked Jen Patterson put a hot dog in front of Jiggets, and that's the dog they showed (and that's why Jiggets hadn't yet consumed it). And at that point, Jiggets said, "No that's not my weiner. I never put onions on mine."
Jen, if you're out there, I'm sure I can line you up with a dream team of attorneys (and soon-to-be attorneys) who would love nothing more than to sue bothe Jiggets and North.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 18, 2009, 10:56:54 AM
... the 7 to 9 block is generally homework-playing outside-bath time for the Murton's
So your kids play with their homework and take their baths outside?
Quote from: Brownie on June 18, 2009, 10:58:24 AM
Jen, if you're out there, I'm sure I can line you up with a dream team of attorneys (and soon-to-be attorneys) who would love nothing more than to sue bothe Jiggets and North.
Does Jiggets even have any assets to get at in a suit? And, while North does, he may not for much longer. Better hurry.
Quote from: Eli on June 18, 2009, 10:59:37 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 18, 2009, 10:56:54 AM
... the 7 to 9 block is generally homework-playing outside-bath time for the Murton's
So your kids play with their homework and take their baths outside?
Glenview only recently got indoor plumbing. I'm waiting for TARP funds before I upgrade from the garden hose.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 18, 2009, 11:00:13 AM
Quote from: Brownie on June 18, 2009, 10:58:24 AM
Jen, if you're out there, I'm sure I can line you up with a dream team of attorneys (and soon-to-be attorneys) who would love nothing more than to sue bothe Jiggets and North.
Does Jiggets even have any assets to get at in a suit? And, while North does, he may not for much longer. Better hurry.
Jiggets thinks he's too big to fail and was set to receive a bailout.
Quote from: smg on June 18, 2009, 10:57:57 AM
Quote from: Slak on June 17, 2009, 05:49:00 PM
Quote from: Brownie on June 17, 2009, 05:43:37 PM
Zambrano could kick the shit out of Aaron Miles tomorrow, and I know which side of the fence all of you's will be on.
But he won't.
Are you sure?
As we know from experience, that would be WAY more entertaining than the actual games these days.
Hi
Quote from: Kermit, B. on June 18, 2009, 10:21:35 AM
Quote from: Slak on June 18, 2009, 10:16:46 AM
So he really mentioned you by fake name?
Unless TJ is a huge liar, yes.
I was just settling in for a nap when I heard it. When he came back from break, he made a point of remarking upon his "trying to get his blood pressure down" or some such (he did muster an impending-domestic-violence screech briefly). What I don't recall is whether they ran the spot for the Soriano neuroblastoma benefit (for which Kaplan provides cheerful glue) in the mean time.
Quote from: Brownie on June 18, 2009, 10:58:24 AM
Quote from: RV on June 18, 2009, 10:10:15 AM
So Mike North was partying with Hernandez as far back as 1996.
Hernandez goes to jail in 1998.
North still decides to do business with the guy in 2009. So North's whole "How could I have known?!" shtick is bullshit.
If North somehow ends up getting charged with something and going to trial, this could provide months of entertainment awesome.
I'm still waiting for the soon-to-be unemployed Jen Patterson filing a sexual harassment lawsuit against Jiggetts for the "weiner" comment. After WGN signed off from the rain delay, I switched to CSN, which showed the 10th inning of the Cubs-Sox game in 2001 where Carlos Lee hit a grand slam in the 10th. After that was over, they went into Monsters in the Morning Primetime from the day before. I inexplicably stayed with it all the way to the "weiner" bit. Jiggets didn't just make one comment about "wait until you get finished with my weiner right here;" he made several, egging her on, "come see my weiner, etc., etc." Kermit said a panicked camera guy panned down to a hot dog, but that's not entirely true. You see a panicked Jen Patterson put a hot dog in front of Jiggets, and that's the dog they showed (and that's why Jiggets hadn't yet consumed it). And at that point, Jiggets said, "No that's not my weiner. I never put onions on mine."
Jen, if you're out there, I'm sure I can line you up with a dream team of attorneys (and soon-to-be attorneys) who would love nothing more than to sue bothe Jiggets and North.
I seriously thought it was worse than I was remembering, so I'm glad you watched it for me. I know my jaw dropped at whatever he said. Literally. I looked like a mouth-breather.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on June 18, 2009, 11:24:42 AM
Quote from: Brownie on June 18, 2009, 10:58:24 AM
Quote from: RV on June 18, 2009, 10:10:15 AM
So Mike North was partying with Hernandez as far back as 1996.
Hernandez goes to jail in 1998.
North still decides to do business with the guy in 2009. So North's whole "How could I have known?!" shtick is bullshit.
If North somehow ends up getting charged with something and going to trial, this could provide months of entertainment awesome.
I'm still waiting for the soon-to-be unemployed Jen Patterson filing a sexual harassment lawsuit against Jiggetts for the "weiner" comment. After WGN signed off from the rain delay, I switched to CSN, which showed the 10th inning of the Cubs-Sox game in 2001 where Carlos Lee hit a grand slam in the 10th. After that was over, they went into Monsters in the Morning Primetime from the day before. I inexplicably stayed with it all the way to the "weiner" bit. Jiggets didn't just make one comment about "wait until you get finished with my weiner right here;" he made several, egging her on, "come see my weiner, etc., etc." Kermit said a panicked camera guy panned down to a hot dog, but that's not entirely true. You see a panicked Jen Patterson put a hot dog in front of Jiggets, and that's the dog they showed (and that's why Jiggets hadn't yet consumed it). And at that point, Jiggets said, "No that's not my weiner. I never put onions on mine."
Jen, if you're out there, I'm sure I can line you up with a dream team of attorneys (and soon-to-be attorneys) who would love nothing more than to sue bothe Jiggets and North.
I seriously thought it was worse than I was remembering, so I'm glad you watched it for me. I know my jaw dropped at whatever he said. Literally. I looked like a mouth-breather.
I had the presence of mind to rewind it on my DVR, and I was just going to use my phone to video the screen during that episode. Alas, I screwed that up, just snapped a still photo of the TV screen and my wife came in and changed the channel, thus erasing the Monsters.
Quote from: Brownie on June 18, 2009, 11:29:52 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on June 18, 2009, 11:24:42 AM
Quote from: Brownie on June 18, 2009, 10:58:24 AM
Quote from: RV on June 18, 2009, 10:10:15 AM
So Mike North was partying with Hernandez as far back as 1996.
Hernandez goes to jail in 1998.
North still decides to do business with the guy in 2009. So North's whole "How could I have known?!" shtick is bullshit.
If North somehow ends up getting charged with something and going to trial, this could provide months of entertainment awesome.
I'm still waiting for the soon-to-be unemployed Jen Patterson filing a sexual harassment lawsuit against Jiggetts for the "weiner" comment. After WGN signed off from the rain delay, I switched to CSN, which showed the 10th inning of the Cubs-Sox game in 2001 where Carlos Lee hit a grand slam in the 10th. After that was over, they went into Monsters in the Morning Primetime from the day before. I inexplicably stayed with it all the way to the "weiner" bit. Jiggets didn't just make one comment about "wait until you get finished with my weiner right here;" he made several, egging her on, "come see my weiner, etc., etc." Kermit said a panicked camera guy panned down to a hot dog, but that's not entirely true. You see a panicked Jen Patterson put a hot dog in front of Jiggets, and that's the dog they showed (and that's why Jiggets hadn't yet consumed it). And at that point, Jiggets said, "No that's not my weiner. I never put onions on mine."
Jen, if you're out there, I'm sure I can line you up with a dream team of attorneys (and soon-to-be attorneys) who would love nothing more than to sue bothe Jiggets and North.
I seriously thought it was worse than I was remembering, so I'm glad you watched it for me. I know my jaw dropped at whatever he said. Literally. I looked like a mouth-breather.
I had the presence of mind to rewind it on my DVR, and I was just going to use my phone to video the screen during that episode. Alas, I screwed that up, just snapped a still photo of the TV screen and my wife came in and changed the channel, thus erasing the Monsters.
Women ruin everything that's good in life.
Quote from: IrishYeti on June 18, 2009, 11:51:02 AM
Quote from: Brownie on June 18, 2009, 11:29:52 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on June 18, 2009, 11:24:42 AM
Quote from: Brownie on June 18, 2009, 10:58:24 AM
Quote from: RV on June 18, 2009, 10:10:15 AM
So Mike North was partying with Hernandez as far back as 1996.
Hernandez goes to jail in 1998.
North still decides to do business with the guy in 2009. So North's whole "How could I have known?!" shtick is bullshit.
If North somehow ends up getting charged with something and going to trial, this could provide months of entertainment awesome.
I'm still waiting for the soon-to-be unemployed Jen Patterson filing a sexual harassment lawsuit against Jiggetts for the "weiner" comment. After WGN signed off from the rain delay, I switched to CSN, which showed the 10th inning of the Cubs-Sox game in 2001 where Carlos Lee hit a grand slam in the 10th. After that was over, they went into Monsters in the Morning Primetime from the day before. I inexplicably stayed with it all the way to the "weiner" bit. Jiggets didn't just make one comment about "wait until you get finished with my weiner right here;" he made several, egging her on, "come see my weiner, etc., etc." Kermit said a panicked camera guy panned down to a hot dog, but that's not entirely true. You see a panicked Jen Patterson put a hot dog in front of Jiggets, and that's the dog they showed (and that's why Jiggets hadn't yet consumed it). And at that point, Jiggets said, "No that's not my weiner. I never put onions on mine."
Jen, if you're out there, I'm sure I can line you up with a dream team of attorneys (and soon-to-be attorneys) who would love nothing more than to sue bothe Jiggets and North.
I seriously thought it was worse than I was remembering, so I'm glad you watched it for me. I know my jaw dropped at whatever he said. Literally. I looked like a mouth-breather.
I had the presence of mind to rewind it on my DVR, and I was just going to use my phone to video the screen during that episode. Alas, I screwed that up, just snapped a still photo of the TV screen and my wife came in and changed the channel, thus erasing the Monsters.
Women ruin everything that's good in life save men from poking out their eyes with a ball point pen and puncturing their eardrums after too much bad programming.
She turned on Food Network or some other stuff, and it improved the quality of my life. Trust me.
Quote from: Brownie on June 18, 2009, 09:46:34 AM
Since I'm enjoying this thread more when it focuses on David Hernandez and Webio, let's talk about another one of Andy's friends: Tom Shaer. He got hosed by Hernandez in the '90s, and he still considers Mike North a "friend." So when his friend says "I'm about to sink my old hot dog fortune into this business venture with Hernandez," Shaer decides it's best to keep his mouth shut. (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?page_id=2317&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3af5555513-c950-4657-a93a-80db16fdf4adPost%3a28dabfec-2ffc-4f43-8ec1-1fee96c7aa4a&sid=sitelife.chicagobusiness.com)
North is angry at Shaer, but again, if Shaer met Hernandez through North, did business with Hernandez and then saw Hernandez go to jail, why wouldn't North have noticed? (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?page_id=2317&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3af5555513-c950-4657-a93a-80db16fdf4adPost%3a46e3f1d6-fcd0-4f20-a78d-9b2b44fecf63&sid=sitelife.chicagobusiness.com)
Finally, Cortez Trotter was hired by Hernandez to do some management consulting for the webio in April. (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?page_id=2317&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3af5555513-c950-4657-a93a-80db16fdf4adPost%3accb0468f-7061-4cbf-9838-ccf2f743a6ca&sid=sitelife.chicagobusiness.com)
I think this may have been my favorite part of the Shaer article:
QuoteMr. Shaer decided to call the FBI agent who dealt with him in the 1990s.
"I asked if he knew anything about Hernandez's latest ventures," Mr. Shaer said. "He said he didn't. He told me sometimes people do turn their lives around and do legitimate work."
I know it's probably not the case, but I like to think that not only did Shaer not tip off North, but he inadvertently tipped off the FBI to the whole thing.
Quote from: CT III on June 18, 2009, 11:56:55 AM
I think this may have been my favorite part of the Shaer article:
The best part of the North article was when North said in his e-mail:
QuoteThis is my last statement involving this matter. Don't call, don't write, don't bother. Start concentrating on the real story.
That's it. The end of the letter.
Not including...
Quote"I know how the business works and I helped you guys out. But the North trial is over.
"You are missing some big fishes because of who I am. I understand this, but all we care about is the people who worked for us
"Thanks for caring, thanks for writing, now on to the real story."
Sherman is missing the big fishes because of "who Mike is"? An ex-hot dog stand owner, high school dropout who used a 50,000 watt clear channel frequency for many years to make racist statements?
Question for Mr. North: Who are the "big fishes" we are missing? Why are you not forthcoming with their names? Have you brought their names forward to the FBI? Has the FBI contacted you about the "big fishes"?
The North Trial hasn't even started.
The big fishes are all the bankers. David the Banker, Chuck the Banker, etc. North and Chet know how to spell money, you know.
*gets on knees*
Oh, dear Lord, Blessed Saviour...
I don't ask for much, but I'm asking for this...
Please, even before world peace, let Lenny Dykstra become part of this story.
Amen.
Oh, and thanks for Keeley. Nice work you did there.
Quote from: Fork on June 18, 2009, 12:39:48 PM
Please, even before world peace, let Lenny Dykstra become part of this story.
Not even Lenny is dumb enough to put that much cheddar into an internet radio outfit.
Quote from: CT III on June 18, 2009, 01:32:14 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 18, 2009, 12:39:48 PM
Please, even before world peace, let Lenny Dykstra become part of this story.
Not even Lenny is dumb enough to put that much cheddar into an internet radio outfit.
Maybe they bought some ads in Players Club.
Apparently, yesterday on the "let's build a statue for Santo" crapfest, Roe Conn was interviewing North. North had this quality nugget:
"The only thing I know about are victimless crimes, like DUIs."
THE CUBS SCORED A RUN. YAY.
Quote from: morpheus on June 18, 2009, 03:03:11 PM
THE CUBS SCORED A RUN. YAY.
How you ask? On a FC followed up by a double play.
Awesome!
Quote from: Slak on June 18, 2009, 03:05:38 PM
Quote from: morpheus on June 18, 2009, 03:03:11 PM
THE CUBS SCORED A RUN. YAY.
How you ask? On a FC followed up by a double play.
Awesome!
Striking fear into the hearts of opposing pitchers everywhere.
I'm just glad that all of these changes Lou said he would make are paying off today.
Just wait until the Cubs get Dany Heatley.
It was asked earlier:
Q -- Why was someone listening to David Kaplan?
A -- The same reason you are replying to his columns.
See No Evil, Hear No Evil, Speak No Evil.
DLEE AND HAN SOTO
If the Cubs are only going to score 5 runs per week, might as well get them all in one game so there's a chance to win, right?
Quote from: Simmer on June 18, 2009, 03:21:32 PM
It was asked earlier:
Q -- Why was someone listening to David Kaplan?
A -- The same reason you are replying to his columns.
See No Evil, Hear No Evil, Speak No Evil.
I do it for material. He's a gift that way.
Quote from: Brownie on June 18, 2009, 09:46:34 AM
Since I'm enjoying this thread more when it focuses on David Hernandez and Webio, let's talk about another one of Andy's friends: Tom Shaer. He got hosed by Hernandez in the '90s, and he still considers Mike North a "friend." So when his friend says "I'm about to sink my old hot dog fortune into this business venture with Hernandez," Shaer decides it's best to keep his mouth shut. (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?page_id=2317&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3af5555513-c950-4657-a93a-80db16fdf4adPost%3a28dabfec-2ffc-4f43-8ec1-1fee96c7aa4a&sid=sitelife.chicagobusiness.com)
North is angry at Shaer, but again, if Shaer met Hernandez through North, did business with Hernandez and then saw Hernandez go to jail, why wouldn't North have noticed? (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?page_id=2317&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3af5555513-c950-4657-a93a-80db16fdf4adPost%3a46e3f1d6-fcd0-4f20-a78d-9b2b44fecf63&sid=sitelife.chicagobusiness.com)
Finally, Cortez Trotter was hired by Hernandez to do some management consulting for the webio in April. (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?page_id=2317&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3af5555513-c950-4657-a93a-80db16fdf4adPost%3accb0468f-7061-4cbf-9838-ccf2f743a6ca&sid=sitelife.chicagobusiness.com)
Now Chet wants to sock Tom Shaer in the kisser.
QuoteWho knew what about accused Ponzi schemer David Hernandez, and when did they know it? Former chicagosportswebio.com hosts Mike North and Chet Coppock have responded harshly to fellow Chicago media personality Tom Shaer's comments that he was aware of Hernandez's 1998 embezzlement conviction. Coppock on Thursday told the Danny Mac Show on WSCR AM-670 that he would punch Shaer in the face for withholding that information from him, North and other former Shaer colleagues allegedly duped by Hernandez. You can hear Coppock's interview with WSCR host Dan McNeil and Shaer's response at chicagotribune.com/webio.
One can only hope this plays out as favorably as Chet's last round of public fisticuffs did.
(http://imgsrv.923krock.com/image/wfny3/UserFiles/Image/news_images/chet_eye01.jpg)
Look, Shaer is a tool, as those of you who remember my story about him trying to pay for a shoeshine with $100 bill can attest.
But the fact that North and Chet think that it's his fault that they got Ponzi'd is ridiculous. You go into business with somebody and you are the one who needs to do the due diligence not somebody else.
I don't for a minute don't believe that North didn't know this whole thing wasn't on the up and up.
Quote from: Andy on June 19, 2009, 10:10:28 AM
I don't for a minute don't believe that North didn't know this whole thing wasn't on the up and up.
Oh, I dunno. North is pretty stupid. There's a reasonable probability that he saw a chance to "enhance the North-to-North brand" with something new and noteworthy and there was this guy willing to finance it. I'd say North not bothering to check out the background of someone pimping his ego is very possible
Then again, I wouldn't put it past North that he's a crook, too.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 19, 2009, 10:16:48 AM
Quote from: Andy on June 19, 2009, 10:10:28 AM
I don't for a minute don't believe that North didn't know this whole thing wasn't on the up and up.
Oh, I dunno. North is pretty stupid. There's a reasonable probability that he saw a chance to "enhance the North-to-North brand" with something new and noteworthy and there was this guy willing to finance it. I'd say North not bothering to check out the background of someone pimping his ego is very possible
Then again, I wouldn't put it past North that he's a crook, too.
So he's either an idiot, or a crook. This is awesome.
I felt kind of bad for the lower level employees at first, because I've worked for a shady company that had missing money and paychecks bouncing, but they went to work for this moron. If the idea wasn't bad enough, having North in charge should have been a red flag.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 19, 2009, 10:16:48 AM
Quote from: Andy on June 19, 2009, 10:10:28 AM
I don't for a minute don't believe that North didn't know this whole thing wasn't on the up and up.
Oh, I dunno. North is pretty stupid. There's a reasonable probability that he saw a chance to "enhance the North-to-North brand" with something new and noteworthy and there was this guy willing to finance it. I'd say North not bothering to check out the background of someone pimping his ego is very possible
Then again, I wouldn't put it past North that he's a crook, too.
I think Hernandez was pumping up North's ego because he knew he could get as much money as he wanted because North really is pretty stupid.
Quote from: Waco Kid on June 19, 2009, 10:44:56 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 19, 2009, 10:16:48 AM
Quote from: Andy on June 19, 2009, 10:10:28 AM
I don't for a minute don't believe that North didn't know this whole thing wasn't on the up and up.
Oh, I dunno. North is pretty stupid. There's a reasonable probability that he saw a chance to "enhance the North-to-North brand" with something new and noteworthy and there was this guy willing to finance it. I'd say North not bothering to check out the background of someone pimping his ego is very possible
Then again, I wouldn't put it past North that he's a crook, too.
I think Hernandez was pumping up North's ego because he knew he could get as much money as he wanted because North really is pretty stupid.
North is stupid and greedy. Every con artist's wet dream.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on June 18, 2009, 04:09:10 PM
Quote from: Simmer on June 18, 2009, 03:21:32 PM
It was asked earlier:
Q -- Why was someone listening to David Kaplan?
A -- The same reason you are replying to his columns.
See No Evil, Hear No Evil, Speak No Evil.
I do it for material. He's a gift that way.
You've been (SP) declared a "goofball."
I wonder if David Hernandez used the David Carradine Method?
QuoteFBI officials have confirmed David Hernandez is in custody after a failed suicide attempt in Normal.
DPD. So these knuckleheads are now 1 for 29 with RISP on the road trip, and checking in at an impressive .219 with RISP on the season. That's good for dead last in MLB, significantly worse than the DBags at .226. Looking at the last few seasons, here are the worst teams with RISP:
2008 - Reds .240
2007 - White Sox .243
2006 - Rays .240
2005 - DBags .237
2004 - Brewers .221 (Expos 2nd to last at .239)
Now, I generally don't believe in players being clutch or notclutch and all that, but this is just awful to watch. I need some statfaggoty reassurance that they're due for some hellacious regression (progression?) to at least the worst-team-in-baseball-mean of .240 or so. Because the 2004 Brewers won 67 games.
Statfaggoty reassurance...
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/split.cgi?t=b&team=CHC&year=2009
Only 681 of their 2604 PA's have been with men in RISP, so you *could* make a sample argument. Also, Cubs' BABIP with RISP is only .263, so there's probably some confidence that they've been unlucky as well as unskilled. Here's a breakdown of hitting with RISP by player:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/split_stats_team.cgi?full=1¶ms=bases|RISP|CHC|2009|bat|AB|
They're going to get Aramis back... huge boost right there. Hey, I'm trying to reassure that there will be some improvement as the season goes on... On a negative note, Aaron Miles sucks, but he *really* sucks when there are RISP. In 32 PA's, a massive RISP OPS of .372.
Even though that was ball four, I really hate watching Fukudome bat.
Quote from: RV on June 25, 2009, 08:38:29 AM
I need some statfaggoty reassurance that they're due for some hellacious regression (progression?) to at least the worst-team-in-baseball-mean of .240 or so.
You don't need reassurance. You already know, deep down in your numbers-loving heart, that hitting with RISP isn't a skill.
Quote from: Eli on June 25, 2009, 08:59:05 AM
Quote from: RV on June 25, 2009, 08:38:29 AM
I need some statfaggoty reassurance that they're due for some hellacious regression (progression?) to at least the worst-team-in-baseball-mean of .240 or so.
You don't need reassurance. You already know, deep down in your numbers-loving heart, that hitting with RISP isn't a skill.
Is hitting in high-leverage situations a skill, though?
Quote from: Brownie on June 25, 2009, 09:30:42 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 25, 2009, 08:59:05 AM
Quote from: RV on June 25, 2009, 08:38:29 AM
I need some statfaggoty reassurance that they're due for some hellacious regression (progression?) to at least the worst-team-in-baseball-mean of .240 or so.
You don't need reassurance. You already know, deep down in your numbers-loving heart, that hitting with RISP isn't a skill.
Is hitting in high-leverage situations a skill, though?
Getting on base is a skill. A player doesn't "forget" or "remember" how do that when runners appear on base before he steps to the plate or when the game goes into the later innings.
Someone please confirm this. The OPS+ thing has me rattled.
Quote from: Oleg on June 25, 2009, 09:34:23 AM
Getting on base is a skill. A player doesn't "forget" or "remember" how do that when runners appear on base before he steps to the plate or when the game goes into the later innings.
True, but there has to be some players affected by the mental part of the game. "Shit. We aren't scoring runs and I'm up here with the bases loaded and no one out. It's all hanging on me!"
Ump: "Strike three!"
Player walks back to the dugout.
It's like Crash Davis said: "If you believe you're playing well because you're getting laid or because you're not getting laid or because you wore red silk panties -- then you are!"
That has to be true for some players.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 25, 2009, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: Oleg on June 25, 2009, 09:34:23 AM
Getting on base is a skill. A player doesn't "forget" or "remember" how do that when runners appear on base before he steps to the plate or when the game goes into the later innings.
True, but there has to be some players affected by the mental part of the game. "Shit. We aren't scoring runs and I'm up here with the bases loaded and no one out. It's all hanging on me!"
Ump: "Strike three!"
Player walks back to the dugout.
It's like Crash Davis said: "If you believe you're playing well because you're getting laid or because you're not getting laid or because you wore red silk panties -- then you are!"
That has to be true for some players.
Some guys like seeing the bases loaded. It's fung, mang, since they know the pitcher will have to be a little more careful, maybe not rear back as much.
I humbly submit Corey Snyder and Robin Ventura as models for this type of hitter.
Quote from: Brownie on June 25, 2009, 09:30:42 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 25, 2009, 08:59:05 AM
Quote from: RV on June 25, 2009, 08:38:29 AM
I need some statfaggoty reassurance that they're due for some hellacious regression (progression?) to at least the worst-team-in-baseball-mean of .240 or so.
You don't need reassurance. You already know, deep down in your numbers-loving heart, that hitting with RISP isn't a skill.
Is hitting in high-leverage situations a skill, though?
Most of the evidence suggests that it's not a skill. I don't believe in the concept of "clutch," (you know, actually
raising one's game in high-leverage situations) though I can see an argument for anti-clutch players. Not to go all Chuck on everyone, but Soriano's career has a substantial amount of data showing that he hits worse with runners on base. Since the data comes from thousands of at-bats, it's not unreasonable to say that it's a trend. Not sure why it happens, though I'd guess that he gets fewer pitches to hit with men on base, and he's not disciplined enough to lay off the bad ones.
But for most players, no. They hit like they normally do, regardless of how high-leverage a situation is.
Quote from: Eli on June 25, 2009, 10:02:38 AM
Quote from: Brownie on June 25, 2009, 09:30:42 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 25, 2009, 08:59:05 AM
Quote from: RV on June 25, 2009, 08:38:29 AM
I need some statfaggoty reassurance that they're due for some hellacious regression (progression?) to at least the worst-team-in-baseball-mean of .240 or so.
You don't need reassurance. You already know, deep down in your numbers-loving heart, that hitting with RISP isn't a skill.
Is hitting in high-leverage situations a skill, though?
Most of the evidence suggests that it's not a skill. I don't believe in the concept of "clutch," (you know, actually raising one's game in high-leverage situations) though I can see an argument for anti-clutch players. Not to go all Chuck on everyone, but Soriano's career has a substantial amount of data showing that he hits worse with runners on base. Since the data comes from thousands of at-bats, it's not unreasonable to say that it's a trend. Not sure why it happens, though I'd guess that he gets fewer pitches to hit with men on base, and he's not disciplined enough to lay off the bad ones.
But for most players, no. They hit like they normally do, regardless of how high-leverage a situation is.
I agree with you about clutchiness. I think it's bullshit. Regarding not clutchiness, I've sometimes wondered if part of it is seeing pitchers out of the stretch vs. the windup. Or the distraction of seeing guys moving around on the basepaths out of the corners of your eyes. Not just in Soriano's case, but for guys who are "not clutch."
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 25, 2009, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: Oleg on June 25, 2009, 09:34:23 AM
Getting on base is a skill. A player doesn't "forget" or "remember" how do that when runners appear on base before he steps to the plate or when the game goes into the later innings.
True, but there has to be some players affected by the mental part of the game. "Shit. We aren't scoring runs and I'm up here with the bases loaded and no one out. It's all hanging on me!"
Ump: "Strike three!"
Player walks back to the dugout.
It's like Crash Davis said: "If you believe you're playing well because you're getting laid or because you're not getting laid or because you wore red silk panties -- then you are!"
That has to be true for some players.
As opposed to getting shut out the day before and thinking, "Man, we got shut out last night. It's all on me to get the first run in."
Ump: "Strike Three!"
The point is that you can play this game with dozens of baseball situations. There's no way to measure it.
I also think you've totally missed the point of the Crash Davis line. The point is that it doesn't matter. If you can hit (or pitch), you can hit (or pitch). Period.
Quote from: Fork on June 25, 2009, 09:55:36 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 25, 2009, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: Oleg on June 25, 2009, 09:34:23 AM
Getting on base is a skill. A player doesn't "forget" or "remember" how do that when runners appear on base before he steps to the plate or when the game goes into the later innings.
True, but there has to be some players affected by the mental part of the game. "Shit. We aren't scoring runs and I'm up here with the bases loaded and no one out. It's all hanging on me!"
Ump: "Strike three!"
Player walks back to the dugout.
It's like Crash Davis said: "If you believe you're playing well because you're getting laid or because you're not getting laid or because you wore red silk panties -- then you are!"
That has to be true for some players.
Some guys like seeing the bases loaded. It's fung, mang, since they know the pitcher will have to be a little more careful, maybe not rear back as much.
I humbly submit Corey Snyder and Robin Ventura as models for this type of hitter.
I believe the Cleveland Indian you were looking for was Pat Tabler.
Pat Tabler.
Quote from: MAD on June 25, 2009, 10:12:24 AM
Quote from: Fork on June 25, 2009, 09:55:36 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 25, 2009, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: Oleg on June 25, 2009, 09:34:23 AM
Getting on base is a skill. A player doesn't "forget" or "remember" how do that when runners appear on base before he steps to the plate or when the game goes into the later innings.
True, but there has to be some players affected by the mental part of the game. "Shit. We aren't scoring runs and I'm up here with the bases loaded and no one out. It's all hanging on me!"
Ump: "Strike three!"
Player walks back to the dugout.
It's like Crash Davis said: "If you believe you're playing well because you're getting laid or because you're not getting laid or because you wore red silk panties -- then you are!"
That has to be true for some players.
Some guys like seeing the bases loaded. It's fung, mang, since they know the pitcher will have to be a little more careful, maybe not rear back as much.
I humbly submit Corey Snyder and Robin Ventura as models for this type of hitter.
I believe the Cleveland Indian you were looking for was Pat Tabler.
Pat Tabler.
You're bald.
Quote from: Fork on June 25, 2009, 10:18:18 AM
Quote from: MAD on June 25, 2009, 10:12:24 AM
Quote from: Fork on June 25, 2009, 09:55:36 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 25, 2009, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: Oleg on June 25, 2009, 09:34:23 AM
Getting on base is a skill. A player doesn't "forget" or "remember" how do that when runners appear on base before he steps to the plate or when the game goes into the later innings.
True, but there has to be some players affected by the mental part of the game. "Shit. We aren't scoring runs and I'm up here with the bases loaded and no one out. It's all hanging on me!"
Ump: "Strike three!"
Player walks back to the dugout.
It's like Crash Davis said: "If you believe you're playing well because you're getting laid or because you're not getting laid or because you wore red silk panties -- then you are!"
That has to be true for some players.
Some guys like seeing the bases loaded. It's fung, mang, since they know the pitcher will have to be a little more careful, maybe not rear back as much.
I humbly submit Corey Snyder and Robin Ventura as models for this type of hitter.
I believe the Cleveland Indian you were looking for was Pat Tabler.
Pat Tabler.
You're bald.
By choice.
You're old.
Quote from: Eli on June 25, 2009, 10:02:38 AM
But for most players, no. They hit like they normally do, regardless of how high-leverage a situation is.
Bingo. Most. Not all.
Some players will have the situation effect their performance, positively or negatively. These are people with minds. Who was it who said that 50% of this game is 90% mental?
I think it was Billy Crystal in 61*.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 25, 2009, 10:20:43 AM
Some players will have the situation effect their performance, positively or negatively. These are people with minds. Who was it who said that 50% of this game is 90% mental?
I think it was Billy Crystal in 61*.
Oy ve.
Quote from: MAD on June 25, 2009, 10:12:24 AM
Quote from: Fork on June 25, 2009, 09:55:36 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 25, 2009, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: Oleg on June 25, 2009, 09:34:23 AM
Getting on base is a skill. A player doesn't "forget" or "remember" how do that when runners appear on base before he steps to the plate or when the game goes into the later innings.
True, but there has to be some players affected by the mental part of the game. "Shit. We aren't scoring runs and I'm up here with the bases loaded and no one out. It's all hanging on me!"
Ump: "Strike three!"
Player walks back to the dugout.
It's like Crash Davis said: "If you believe you're playing well because you're getting laid or because you're not getting laid or because you wore red silk panties -- then you are!"
That has to be true for some players.
Some guys like seeing the bases loaded. It's fung, mang, since they know the pitcher will have to be a little more careful, maybe not rear back as much.
I humbly submit Corey Snyder and Robin Ventura as models for this type of hitter.
I believe the former Chicago Cub and later Cleveland Indian you were looking for was Pat Tabler.
Pat Tabler.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=tablepa01&year=Career&t=b
OPS'ed .821 with RISP, 1.198 with bases loaded...
Quote from: morpheus on June 25, 2009, 10:27:37 AM
Quote from: MAD on June 25, 2009, 10:12:24 AM
Quote from: Fork on June 25, 2009, 09:55:36 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 25, 2009, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: Oleg on June 25, 2009, 09:34:23 AM
Getting on base is a skill. A player doesn't "forget" or "remember" how do that when runners appear on base before he steps to the plate or when the game goes into the later innings.
True, but there has to be some players affected by the mental part of the game. "Shit. We aren't scoring runs and I'm up here with the bases loaded and no one out. It's all hanging on me!"
Ump: "Strike three!"
Player walks back to the dugout.
It's like Crash Davis said: "If you believe you're playing well because you're getting laid or because you're not getting laid or because you wore red silk panties -- then you are!"
That has to be true for some players.
Some guys like seeing the bases loaded. It's fung, mang, since they know the pitcher will have to be a little more careful, maybe not rear back as much.
I humbly submit Corey Snyder and Robin Ventura as models for this type of hitter.
I believe the former Chicago Cub and later Cleveland Indian you were looking for was Pat Tabler.
Pat Tabler.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=tablepa01&year=Career&t=b
OPS'ed .821 with RISP, 1.198 with bases loaded...
MAD, I think Morph is calling you out for not remembering that Tabler was a Cub.
Quote from: Oleg on June 25, 2009, 10:30:14 AM
Quote from: morpheus on June 25, 2009, 10:27:37 AM
Quote from: MAD on June 25, 2009, 10:12:24 AM
Quote from: Fork on June 25, 2009, 09:55:36 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 25, 2009, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: Oleg on June 25, 2009, 09:34:23 AM
Getting on base is a skill. A player doesn't "forget" or "remember" how do that when runners appear on base before he steps to the plate or when the game goes into the later innings.
True, but there has to be some players affected by the mental part of the game. "Shit. We aren't scoring runs and I'm up here with the bases loaded and no one out. It's all hanging on me!"
Ump: "Strike three!"
Player walks back to the dugout.
It's like Crash Davis said: "If you believe you're playing well because you're getting laid or because you're not getting laid or because you wore red silk panties -- then you are!"
That has to be true for some players.
Some guys like seeing the bases loaded. It's fung, mang, since they know the pitcher will have to be a little more careful, maybe not rear back as much.
I humbly submit Corey Snyder and Robin Ventura as models for this type of hitter.
I believe the former Chicago Cub and later Cleveland Indian you were looking for was Pat Tabler.
Pat Tabler.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=tablepa01&year=Career&t=b
OPS'ed .821 with RISP, 1.198 with bases loaded...
MAD, I think Morph is calling you out for not remembering that Tabler was a Cub.
Hmpf.
Does Morph remember how upset Pat Tabler was when new GM Dallas Green acquired Bump Wills on the eve of the Season Opener in 1982? Heading into Opening Day in Cincinnati, Junior Kennedy was slated to be the starting second baseman, with Tabler as the backup. The Wills acquisition meant Tabler had to start the season in Des Moines, and the kid wasn't happy about it.
In any event, I didn't bother to mention Tabler's ex-Cub status as I don't recall him doing anything of significance with the bases loaded as a Cub. No, he developed that reputation with Cleveland.
Quote from: MAD on June 25, 2009, 10:37:07 AM
Quote from: Oleg on June 25, 2009, 10:30:14 AM
Quote from: morpheus on June 25, 2009, 10:27:37 AM
Quote from: MAD on June 25, 2009, 10:12:24 AM
Quote from: Fork on June 25, 2009, 09:55:36 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 25, 2009, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: Oleg on June 25, 2009, 09:34:23 AM
Getting on base is a skill. A player doesn't "forget" or "remember" how do that when runners appear on base before he steps to the plate or when the game goes into the later innings.
True, but there has to be some players affected by the mental part of the game. "Shit. We aren't scoring runs and I'm up here with the bases loaded and no one out. It's all hanging on me!"
Ump: "Strike three!"
Player walks back to the dugout.
It's like Crash Davis said: "If you believe you're playing well because you're getting laid or because you're not getting laid or because you wore red silk panties -- then you are!"
That has to be true for some players.
Some guys like seeing the bases loaded. It's fung, mang, since they know the pitcher will have to be a little more careful, maybe not rear back as much.
I humbly submit Corey Snyder and Robin Ventura as models for this type of hitter.
I believe the former Chicago Cub and later Cleveland Indian you were looking for was Pat Tabler.
Pat Tabler.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=tablepa01&year=Career&t=b
OPS'ed .821 with RISP, 1.198 with bases loaded...
MAD, I think Morph is calling you out for not remembering that Tabler was a Cub.
Hmpf.
Does Morph remember how upset Pat Tabler was when new GM Dallas Green acquired Bump Wills on the eve of the Season Opener in 1982. Heading itoo Opening Day in Cincinnati, Junior Kennedy was slated to be the starting second baseman, with Tabler as the backup. The Wills acquisition meant Tabler had to start the season in Des Moines, and the kid wasn't happy about it.
In any event, I didn't bother to mention Tabler's ex-Cub status as I don't recall him doing anything of significance with the bases loaded as a Cub. No, he developed that reputation with Cleveland.
Huey is an excellent driver.
Quote from: RV on June 25, 2009, 10:39:32 AM
Quote from: MAD on June 25, 2009, 10:37:07 AM
Quote from: Oleg on June 25, 2009, 10:30:14 AM
Quote from: morpheus on June 25, 2009, 10:27:37 AM
Quote from: MAD on June 25, 2009, 10:12:24 AM
Quote from: Fork on June 25, 2009, 09:55:36 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 25, 2009, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: Oleg on June 25, 2009, 09:34:23 AM
Getting on base is a skill. A player doesn't "forget" or "remember" how do that when runners appear on base before he steps to the plate or when the game goes into the later innings.
True, but there has to be some players affected by the mental part of the game. "Shit. We aren't scoring runs and I'm up here with the bases loaded and no one out. It's all hanging on me!"
Ump: "Strike three!"
Player walks back to the dugout.
It's like Crash Davis said: "If you believe you're playing well because you're getting laid or because you're not getting laid or because you wore red silk panties -- then you are!"
That has to be true for some players.
Some guys like seeing the bases loaded. It's fung, mang, since they know the pitcher will have to be a little more careful, maybe not rear back as much.
I humbly submit Corey Snyder and Robin Ventura as models for this type of hitter.
I believe the former Chicago Cub and later Cleveland Indian you were looking for was Pat Tabler.
Pat Tabler.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=tablepa01&year=Career&t=b
OPS'ed .821 with RISP, 1.198 with bases loaded...
MAD, I think Morph is calling you out for not remembering that Tabler was a Cub.
Hmpf.
Does Morph remember how upset Pat Tabler was when new GM Dallas Green acquired Bump Wills on the eve of the Season Opener in 1982. Heading itoo Opening Day in Cincinnati, Junior Kennedy was slated to be the starting second baseman, with Tabler as the backup. The Wills acquisition meant Tabler had to start the season in Des Moines, and the kid wasn't happy about it.
In any event, I didn't bother to mention Tabler's ex-Cub status as I don't recall him doing anything of significance with the bases loaded as a Cub. No, he developed that reputation with Cleveland.
Huey is an excellent driver.
Dad lets me drive the car up and down the driveway.
Ten minutes till Wapner.
Quote from: MAD on June 25, 2009, 10:37:07 AM
Quote from: Oleg on June 25, 2009, 10:30:14 AM
Quote from: morpheus on June 25, 2009, 10:27:37 AM
Quote from: MAD on June 25, 2009, 10:12:24 AM
Quote from: Fork on June 25, 2009, 09:55:36 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 25, 2009, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: Oleg on June 25, 2009, 09:34:23 AM
Getting on base is a skill. A player doesn't "forget" or "remember" how do that when runners appear on base before he steps to the plate or when the game goes into the later innings.
True, but there has to be some players affected by the mental part of the game. "Shit. We aren't scoring runs and I'm up here with the bases loaded and no one out. It's all hanging on me!"
Ump: "Strike three!"
Player walks back to the dugout.
It's like Crash Davis said: "If you believe you're playing well because you're getting laid or because you're not getting laid or because you wore red silk panties -- then you are!"
That has to be true for some players.
Some guys like seeing the bases loaded. It's fung, mang, since they know the pitcher will have to be a little more careful, maybe not rear back as much.
I humbly submit Corey Snyder and Robin Ventura as models for this type of hitter.
I believe the former Chicago Cub and later Cleveland Indian you were looking for was Pat Tabler.
Pat Tabler.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=tablepa01&year=Career&t=b
OPS'ed .821 with RISP, 1.198 with bases loaded...
MAD, I think Morph is calling you out for not remembering that Tabler was a Cub.
Hmpf.
Does Morph remember how upset Pat Tabler was when new GM Dallas Green acquired Bump Wills on the eve of the Season Opener in 1982? Heading into Opening Day in Cincinnati, Junior Kennedy was slated to be the starting second baseman, with Tabler as the backup. The Wills acquisition meant Tabler had to start the season in Des Moines, and the kid wasn't happy about it.
In any event, I didn't bother to mention Tabler's ex-Cub status as I don't recall him doing anything of significance with the bases loaded as a Cub. No, he developed that reputation with Cleveland.
Sure.
Quote from: MAD on June 25, 2009, 10:37:07 AM
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 25, 2009, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: Oleg on June 25, 2009, 09:34:23 AM
Getting on base is a skill. A player doesn't "forget" or "remember" how do that when runners appear on base before he steps to the plate or when the game goes into the later innings.
True, but there has to be some players affected by the mental part of the game. "Shit. We aren't scoring runs and I'm up here with the bases loaded and no one out. It's all hanging on me!"
Ump: "Strike three!"
Player walks back to the dugout.
It's like Crash Davis said: "If you believe you're playing well because you're getting laid or because you're not getting laid or because you wore red silk panties -- then you are!"
That has to be true for some players.
Some guys like seeing the bases loaded. It's fung, mang, since they know the pitcher will have to be a little more careful, maybe not rear back as much.
I humbly submit Corey Snyder and Robin Ventura as models for this type of hitter.
I believe the former Chicago Cub and later Cleveland Indian you were looking for was Pat Tabler.
Pat Tabler.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=tablepa01&year=Career&t=b
OPS'ed .821 with RISP, 1.198 with bases loaded...
MAD, I think Morph is calling you out for not remembering that Tabler was a Cub.
Hmpf.
Does Morph remember how upset Pat Tabler was when new GM Dallas Green acquired Bump Wills on the eve of the Season Opener in 1982? Heading into Opening Day in Cincinnati, Junior Kennedy was slated to be the starting second baseman, with Tabler as the backup. The Wills acquisition meant Tabler had to start the season in Des Moines, and the kid wasn't happy about it.
In any event, I didn't bother to mention Tabler's ex-Cub status as I don't recall him doing anything of significance with the bases loaded as a Cub. No, he developed that reputation with Cleveland.
I was just instigating.
Quote from: MAD on June 25, 2009, 10:20:16 AM
Quote from: Fork on June 25, 2009, 10:18:18 AM
Quote from: MAD on June 25, 2009, 10:12:24 AM
Quote from: Fork on June 25, 2009, 09:55:36 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 25, 2009, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: Oleg on June 25, 2009, 09:34:23 AM
Getting on base is a skill. A player doesn't "forget" or "remember" how do that when runners appear on base before he steps to the plate or when the game goes into the later innings.
True, but there has to be some players affected by the mental part of the game. "Shit. We aren't scoring runs and I'm up here with the bases loaded and no one out. It's all hanging on me!"
Ump: "Strike three!"
Player walks back to the dugout.
It's like Crash Davis said: "If you believe you're playing well because you're getting laid or because you're not getting laid or because you wore red silk panties -- then you are!"
That has to be true for some players.
Some guys like seeing the bases loaded. It's fung, mang, since they know the pitcher will have to be a little more careful, maybe not rear back as much.
I humbly submit Corey Snyder and Robin Ventura as models for this type of hitter.
I believe the Cleveland Indian you were looking for was Pat Tabler.
Pat Tabler.
You're bald.
By choice.
You're old.
At least I made it this far.
Your prospects aren't that bright.
Quote from: Fork on June 25, 2009, 11:29:06 AM
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Quote from: Fork on June 25, 2009, 09:55:36 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 25, 2009, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: Oleg on June 25, 2009, 09:34:23 AM
Getting on base is a skill. A player doesn't "forget" or "remember" how do that when runners appear on base before he steps to the plate or when the game goes into the later innings.
True, but there has to be some players affected by the mental part of the game. "Shit. We aren't scoring runs and I'm up here with the bases loaded and no one out. It's all hanging on me!"
Ump: "Strike three!"
Player walks back to the dugout.
It's like Crash Davis said: "If you believe you're playing well because you're getting laid or because you're not getting laid or because you wore red silk panties -- then you are!"
That has to be true for some players.
Some guys like seeing the bases loaded. It's fung, mang, since they know the pitcher will have to be a little more careful, maybe not rear back as much.
I humbly submit Corey Snyder and Robin Ventura as models for this type of hitter.
I believe the Cleveland Indian you were looking for was Pat Tabler.
Pat Tabler.
You're bald.
By choice.
You're old.
At least I made it this far.
Your prospects aren't that bright.
Right. I'll be lucky to make it another decade, god help me.
Quote from: MAD on June 25, 2009, 11:36:11 AM
Quote from: Fork on June 25, 2009, 11:29:06 AM
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Quote from: Fork on June 25, 2009, 10:18:18 AM
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Quote from: Fork on June 25, 2009, 09:55:36 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 25, 2009, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: Oleg on June 25, 2009, 09:34:23 AM
Getting on base is a skill. A player doesn't "forget" or "remember" how do that when runners appear on base before he steps to the plate or when the game goes into the later innings.
True, but there has to be some players affected by the mental part of the game. "Shit. We aren't scoring runs and I'm up here with the bases loaded and no one out. It's all hanging on me!"
Ump: "Strike three!"
Player walks back to the dugout.
It's like Crash Davis said: "If you believe you're playing well because you're getting laid or because you're not getting laid or because you wore red silk panties -- then you are!"
That has to be true for some players.
Some guys like seeing the bases loaded. It's fung, mang, since they know the pitcher will have to be a little more careful, maybe not rear back as much.
I humbly submit Corey Snyder and Robin Ventura as models for this type of hitter.
I believe the Cleveland Indian you were looking for was Pat Tabler.
Pat Tabler.
You're bald.
By choice.
You're old.
At least I made it this far.
Your prospects aren't that bright.
Right. I'll be lucky to make it another decade, god help me.
I don't think He's on your side on this one.
Quote from: MAD on June 25, 2009, 10:41:32 AM
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Quote from: Oleg on June 25, 2009, 10:30:14 AM
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Quote from: MAD on June 25, 2009, 10:12:24 AM
Quote from: Fork on June 25, 2009, 09:55:36 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 25, 2009, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: Oleg on June 25, 2009, 09:34:23 AM
Getting on base is a skill. A player doesn't "forget" or "remember" how do that when runners appear on base before he steps to the plate or when the game goes into the later innings.
True, but there has to be some players affected by the mental part of the game. "Shit. We aren't scoring runs and I'm up here with the bases loaded and no one out. It's all hanging on me!"
Ump: "Strike three!"
Player walks back to the dugout.
It's like Crash Davis said: "If you believe you're playing well because you're getting laid or because you're not getting laid or because you wore red silk panties -- then you are!"
That has to be true for some players.
Some guys like seeing the bases loaded. It's fung, mang, since they know the pitcher will have to be a little more careful, maybe not rear back as much.
I humbly submit Corey Snyder and Robin Ventura as models for this type of hitter.
I believe the former Chicago Cub and later Cleveland Indian you were looking for was Pat Tabler.
Pat Tabler.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=tablepa01&year=Career&t=b
OPS'ed .821 with RISP, 1.198 with bases loaded...
MAD, I think Morph is calling you out for not remembering that Tabler was a Cub.
Hmpf.
Does Morph remember how upset Pat Tabler was when new GM Dallas Green acquired Bump Wills on the eve of the Season Opener in 1982. Heading itoo Opening Day in Cincinnati, Junior Kennedy was slated to be the starting second baseman, with Tabler as the backup. The Wills acquisition meant Tabler had to start the season in Des Moines, and the kid wasn't happy about it.
In any event, I didn't bother to mention Tabler's ex-Cub status as I don't recall him doing anything of significance with the bases loaded as a Cub. No, he developed that reputation with Cleveland.
Huey is an excellent driver.
Dad lets me drive the car up and down the driveway.
Ten minutes till Wapner.
May I add...Kmart sucks?
Well, they scored 5 today and had the tying run at 2nd in the 9th. Of course, this was the day that Ted Lilly didn't have his good stuff. Damnit.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&page=rumblings090625&campaign=rss&source=MLBHeadlines (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&page=rumblings090625&campaign=rss&source=MLBHeadlines)
Quote• Reunion time?: And now for another potential Cleveland deal to watch: For all the weird talk in Chicago last week about some kind of fictional rift between Mark DeRosa and Lou Piniella, we've been hearing that the Cubs have kicked the tires on a deal that could bring DeRosa back to Wrigleyville.
Michael touched so many people..
Quote from: BH on June 25, 2009, 06:24:29 PM
Michael touched so many people..
Remember the time his heart stopped because it had enough?
What up doods?
Four hits.
Just a wonderful bunch of guys on this team. Just wonderful.
I can't wait for July 31st.
Quote from: butthead on June 28, 2009, 05:20:43 PM
I can't wait for July 31st.
Then it's August THE VERY NEXT DAY!!!!!!!!
Quote from: butthead on June 28, 2009, 05:20:43 PM
I can't wait for July 31st.
Is that the day we trade all our untradeable players?
It's a lost season. And another closed window. The window will remain closed until it opens again. Which could be next week (after they sweep Pissburgh and take 3 of 4 from Milwaukee), or next year (after Ricketts shows up with a bag of cash), or in 5 years.
Hendry's hands were tied, partly by Zell, partly by himself. Some decisions didn't work out. Ramirez got hurt. Shit happens.
At least they're not the 2006 Cubs. This is more like the 1991 Cubs. Or the 1987 Cubs.
Quote from: Brownie on June 28, 2009, 09:20:16 PM
It's a lost season. And another closed window. The window will remain closed until it opens again. Which could be next week (after they sweep Pissburgh and take 3 of 4 from Milwaukee), or next year (after Ricketts shows up with a bag of cash), or in 5 years.
Hendry's hands were tied, partly by Zell, partly by himself. Some decisions didn't work out. Ramirez got hurt. Shit happens.
At least they're not the 2006 Cubs. This is more like the 1991 Cubs. Or the 1987 Cubs.
At least the 87 Cubs had Dawson destroying the ball all year. The 09 Cubs have....pizazz?
Quote from: Brownie on June 28, 2009, 09:20:16 PM
It's a lost season. And another closed window. The window will remain closed until it opens again. Which could be next week (after they sweep Pissburgh and take 3 of 4 from Milwaukee), or next year (after Ricketts shows up with a bag of cash), or in 5 years.
Hendry's hands were tied, partly by Zell, partly by himself. Some decisions didn't work out. Ramirez got hurt. Shit happens.
At least they're not the 2006 Cubs. This is more like the 1991 Cubs. Or the 1987 Cubs.
What about the 2007 Cubs?
Quote from: MAD on June 28, 2009, 09:29:32 PM
Quote from: Brownie on June 28, 2009, 09:20:16 PM
It's a lost season. And another closed window. The window will remain closed until it opens again. Which could be next week (after they sweep Pissburgh and take 3 of 4 from Milwaukee), or next year (after Ricketts shows up with a bag of cash), or in 5 years.
Hendry's hands were tied, partly by Zell, partly by himself. Some decisions didn't work out. Ramirez got hurt. Shit happens.
At least they're not the 2006 Cubs. This is more like the 1991 Cubs. Or the 1987 Cubs.
What about the 2007 Cubs?
There's still time to say that as well. As I said, if they sweep Pittsburgh and then take care of Milwaukee, Atlanta and St. Louis (you know, games people should be excited about rather than the shite the last 15 games), they could be the 1908 Cubs.
Quote from: Brownie on June 28, 2009, 09:20:16 PM
It's a lost season. And another closed window. The window will remain closed until it opens again.
"Dol Um led him to a rice paper window and poked a tiny hole. 'You must sit here and look through this hole until a great big cow comes into the hole. Only watch for this big cow. When it comes, you will understand your true self.'"
Quote from: Wheezer on June 28, 2009, 10:19:05 PM
Quote from: Brownie on June 28, 2009, 09:20:16 PM
It's a lost season. And another closed window. The window will remain closed until it opens again.
"Dol Um led him to a rice paper window and poked a tiny hole. 'You must sit here and look through this hole until a great big cow comes into the hole. Only watch for this big cow. When it comes, you will understand your true self.'"
I think I speak for many when I say I don't feel like waiting for 100 days or so for this shit to work itself out.
Quote from: Weebs on June 28, 2009, 08:47:20 PM
Quote from: butthead on June 28, 2009, 05:20:43 PM
I can't wait for July 31st.
Is that the day we trade all our untradeable players?
It's the day I trade watching shitty baseball for watching football practice.
Quote from: MAD on June 28, 2009, 09:29:32 PM
Quote from: Brownie on June 28, 2009, 09:20:16 PM
It's a lost season. And another closed window. The window will remain closed until it opens again. Which could be next week (after they sweep Pissburgh and take 3 of 4 from Milwaukee), or next year (after Ricketts shows up with a bag of cash), or in 5 years.
Hendry's hands were tied, partly by Zell, partly by himself. Some decisions didn't work out. Ramirez got hurt. Shit happens.
At least they're not the 2006 Cubs. This is more like the 1991 Cubs. Or the 1987 Cubs.
What about the 2007 Cubs?
I haven't given up on this, but it's more fun to daydream about football season right now.
Quote from: butthead on June 28, 2009, 11:48:27 PM
Quote from: MAD on June 28, 2009, 09:29:32 PM
Quote from: Brownie on June 28, 2009, 09:20:16 PM
It's a lost season. And another closed window. The window will remain closed until it opens again. Which could be next week (after they sweep Pissburgh and take 3 of 4 from Milwaukee), or next year (after Ricketts shows up with a bag of cash), or in 5 years.
Hendry's hands were tied, partly by Zell, partly by himself. Some decisions didn't work out. Ramirez got hurt. Shit happens.
At least they're not the 2006 Cubs. This is more like the 1991 Cubs. Or the 1987 Cubs.
What about the 2007 Cubs?
I haven't given up on this, but it's more fun to daydream about football season right now.
Agreed, 100 percent. Who knows what happens with this team once Aramis comes back?
Quote from: butthead on June 28, 2009, 11:48:27 PM
Quote from: MAD on June 28, 2009, 09:29:32 PM
Quote from: Brownie on June 28, 2009, 09:20:16 PM
It's a lost season. And another closed window. The window will remain closed until it opens again. Which could be next week (after they sweep Pissburgh and take 3 of 4 from Milwaukee), or next year (after Ricketts shows up with a bag of cash), or in 5 years.
Hendry's hands were tied, partly by Zell, partly by himself. Some decisions didn't work out. Ramirez got hurt. Shit happens.
At least they're not the 2006 Cubs. This is more like the 1991 Cubs. Or the 1987 Cubs.
What about the 2007 Cubs?
I haven't given up on this, but it's more fun to daydream about football season right now.
THIS.
Quote from: butthead on June 28, 2009, 11:48:27 PM
Quote from: MAD on June 28, 2009, 09:29:32 PM
Quote from: Brownie on June 28, 2009, 09:20:16 PM
It's a lost season. And another closed window. The window will remain closed until it opens again. Which could be next week (after they sweep Pissburgh and take 3 of 4 from Milwaukee), or next year (after Ricketts shows up with a bag of cash), or in 5 years.
Hendry's hands were tied, partly by Zell, partly by himself. Some decisions didn't work out. Ramirez got hurt. Shit happens.
At least they're not the 2006 Cubs. This is more like the 1991 Cubs. Or the 1987 Cubs.
What about the 2007 Cubs?
I haven't given up on this, but it's more fun to daydream about football season right now.
Bullshit. Hawks' Prospect Camp starts July 6.
Quote from: Fork on June 29, 2009, 07:44:49 AM
Quote from: butthead on June 28, 2009, 11:48:27 PM
Quote from: MAD on June 28, 2009, 09:29:32 PM
Quote from: Brownie on June 28, 2009, 09:20:16 PM
It's a lost season. And another closed window. The window will remain closed until it opens again. Which could be next week (after they sweep Pissburgh and take 3 of 4 from Milwaukee), or next year (after Ricketts shows up with a bag of cash), or in 5 years.
Hendry's hands were tied, partly by Zell, partly by himself. Some decisions didn't work out. Ramirez got hurt. Shit happens.
At least they're not the 2006 Cubs. This is more like the 1991 Cubs. Or the 1987 Cubs.
What about the 2007 Cubs?
I haven't given up on this, but it's more fun to daydream about football season right now.
Bullshit. Hawks' Prospect Camp starts July 6.
Now you're talkin.
Quote from: Brownie on June 28, 2009, 09:20:16 PM
It's a lost season. And another closed window. The window will remain closed until it opens again. Which could be next week (after they sweep Pissburgh and take 3 of 4 from Milwaukee), or next year (after Ricketts shows up with a bag of cash), or in 5 years.
Hendry's hands were tied, partly by Zell, partly by himself. Some decisions didn't work out. Ramirez got hurt. Shit happens.
At least they're not the 2006 Cubs. This is more like the 1991 Cubs. Or the 1987 Cubs.
I like where you're going with this.
(http://www.thebaseballcube.com/images/managers/228.jpg)
Quote from: Kermit, B. on June 29, 2009, 11:13:40 AM
Quote from: Brownie on June 28, 2009, 09:20:16 PM
It's a lost season. And another closed window. The window will remain closed until it opens again. Which could be next week (after they sweep Pissburgh and take 3 of 4 from Milwaukee), or next year (after Ricketts shows up with a bag of cash), or in 5 years.
Hendry's hands were tied, partly by Zell, partly by himself. Some decisions didn't work out. Ramirez got hurt. Shit happens.
At least they're not the 2006 Cubs. This is more like the 1991 Cubs. Or the 1987 Cubs.
I like where you're going with this.
(http://www.thebaseballcube.com/images/managers/228.jpg)
After hearing the extended post-game after the Tigers loss Thursday, I was thisclose to calling Kap to agree with the "LOU MUST BE FIRED! DOOOOOOOM!" crowd, only so I could suggest the people's choice to be the replacement.
...
I don't care how much Milt Brad is slumping against righties, there's not a planet in the solar system wherein playing that vagina-faced gritball Reed Johnson over Bradley against righties makes a lick of sense.
Quote from: MAD on July 10, 2009, 04:33:00 PM
I don't care how much Milt Brad is slumping against righties, there's not a planet in the solar system wherein playing that vagina-faced gritball Reed Johnson over Bradley against righties makes a lick of sense.
Leading off, no less.
Quote from: Slak on July 10, 2009, 04:36:11 PM
Quote from: MAD on July 10, 2009, 04:33:00 PM
I don't care how much Milt Brad is slumping against righties, there's not a planet in the solar system wherein playing that vagina-faced gritball Reed Johnson over Bradley against righties makes a lick of sense.
Leading off, no less.
Oh-for-five.
I'd say fuck him but he's long sucked against righties. Fuck Lou for treating our $10 Million Dollar Man like a platoon player.
Quote from: MAD on July 10, 2009, 04:50:02 PM
Quote from: Slak on July 10, 2009, 04:36:11 PM
Quote from: MAD on July 10, 2009, 04:33:00 PM
I don't care how much Milt Brad is slumping against righties, there's not a planet in the solar system wherein playing that vagina-faced gritball Reed Johnson over Bradley against righties makes a lick of sense.
Leading off, no less.
Oh-for-five.
I'd say fuck him but he's long sucked against righties. Fuck Lou for treating our $10 Million Dollar Man like a platoon player.
Starting Hoffpauir would've even been more acceptable, batting him 3rd and Fukudome leading off.
Reed is worthless against righties.
Quote from: MAD on July 10, 2009, 04:50:02 PM
Quote from: Slak on July 10, 2009, 04:36:11 PM
Quote from: MAD on July 10, 2009, 04:33:00 PM
I don't care how much Milt Brad is slumping against righties, there's not a planet in the solar system wherein playing that vagina-faced gritball Reed Johnson over Bradley against righties makes a lick of sense.
Leading off, no less.
Oh-for-five.
I'd say fuck him but he's long sucked against righties. Fuck Milton for playing Lou for treating our $10 Million Dollar Man like a platoon player.
Kind of hate'd
I hate this team.
Quote from: BC on July 10, 2009, 05:56:47 PM
I hate this team.
Why do I suddenly feel so optimistic?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 19, 2009, 10:16:48 AM
Quote from: Andy on June 19, 2009, 10:10:28 AM
I don't for a minute don't believe that North didn't know this whole thing wasn't on the up and up.
Oh, I dunno. North is pretty stupid. There's a reasonable probability that he saw a chance to "enhance the North-to-North brand" with something new and noteworthy and there was this guy willing to finance it. I'd say North not bothering to check out the background of someone pimping his ego is very possible
Then again, I wouldn't put it past North that he's a crook, too.
Bump:
I'm innocent, I tells 'ya!
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=34762&ba=1
Quote from: PenFoe on July 10, 2009, 05:58:37 PM
Quote from: BC on July 10, 2009, 05:56:47 PM
I hate this team.
Why do I suddenly feel so optimistic?
I don't know. What is in your medicine cabinet?
First of all, the 11 hits and two runs in 22 innings have just been a pleasure to watch. Not that we should be surprised at this point. 13th in the NL in runs scored, 11th in OPS, and last in average with RISP.
Second of all, while this team clearly needs some hitting, either from the current group of hoopleheads or outside the organization (even for, god forbid, a good right handed hitter), did anyone else think it's whiny of him to be bitching about it in the press? Or has the slapdick offense just put me in a foul mood?
Quote"The only thing I talked about last season was a need for a left- hand bat in a predominantly right-handed lineup who could hit the ball for power and drive in some runs," he said. "You look at our production last year and it was mainly from the right side.
"We didn't bring [ Jim] Edmonds back and Edmonds hit quite a few home runs, so we needed a left-handed bat. That's it. That was what I mentioned, that we could use a nice productive left-hand bat in the middle of our right-handed hitting."
Piniella paused for some time before finishing his thoughts and finally said:
"Look, we still need a left-hand bat who can hit for some power and drive in runs."
Quote from: RV on July 22, 2009, 08:49:33 AM
First of all, the 11 hits and two runs in 22 innings have just been a pleasure to watch. Not that we should be surprised at this point. 13th in the NL in runs scored, 11th in OPS, and last in average with RISP.
Second of all, while this team clearly needs some hitting, either from the current group of hoopleheads or outside the organization (even for, god forbid, a good right handed hitter), did anyone else think it's whiny of him to be bitching about it in the press? Or has the slapdick offense just put me in a foul mood?
Quote"The only thing I talked about last season was a need for a left- hand bat in a predominantly right-handed lineup who could hit the ball for power and drive in some runs," he said. "You look at our production last year and it was mainly from the right side.
"We didn't bring [ Jim] Edmonds back and Edmonds hit quite a few home runs, so we needed a left-handed bat. That's it. That was what I mentioned, that we could use a nice productive left-hand bat in the middle of our right-handed hitting."
Piniella paused for some time before finishing his thoughts and finally said:
"Look, we still need a left-hand bat who can hit for some power and drive in runs."
They won 97 games last year with a mostly right-handed hitting lineup. The problem was that nobody--right or left-handed--hit in the playoffs.
Lou's starting to sound as stupid as Dusty.
Quote from: MAD on July 22, 2009, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: RV on July 22, 2009, 08:49:33 AM
First of all, the 11 hits and two runs in 22 innings have just been a pleasure to watch. Not that we should be surprised at this point. 13th in the NL in runs scored, 11th in OPS, and last in average with RISP.
Second of all, while this team clearly needs some hitting, either from the current group of hoopleheads or outside the organization (even for, god forbid, a good right handed hitter), did anyone else think it's whiny of him to be bitching about it in the press? Or has the slapdick offense just put me in a foul mood?
Quote"The only thing I talked about last season was a need for a left- hand bat in a predominantly right-handed lineup who could hit the ball for power and drive in some runs," he said. "You look at our production last year and it was mainly from the right side.
"We didn't bring [ Jim] Edmonds back and Edmonds hit quite a few home runs, so we needed a left-handed bat. That's it. That was what I mentioned, that we could use a nice productive left-hand bat in the middle of our right-handed hitting."
Piniella paused for some time before finishing his thoughts and finally said:
"Look, we still need a left-hand bat who can hit for some power and drive in runs."
They won 97 games last year with a mostly right-handed hitting lineup. The problem was that nobody--right or left-handed--hit in the playoffs.
Lou's starting to sound as stupid as Dusty.
Agreed. If Lee, Soto, Ramirez, and Soriano all were in the lineup and hitting like they did last year you wouldn't hear a god damn peep about left handed hitting.
Quote from: SKO on July 22, 2009, 08:55:28 AM
Quote from: MAD on July 22, 2009, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: RV on July 22, 2009, 08:49:33 AM
First of all, the 11 hits and two runs in 22 innings have just been a pleasure to watch. Not that we should be surprised at this point. 13th in the NL in runs scored, 11th in OPS, and last in average with RISP.
Second of all, while this team clearly needs some hitting, either from the current group of hoopleheads or outside the organization (even for, god forbid, a good right handed hitter), did anyone else think it's whiny of him to be bitching about it in the press? Or has the slapdick offense just put me in a foul mood?
Quote"The only thing I talked about last season was a need for a left- hand bat in a predominantly right-handed lineup who could hit the ball for power and drive in some runs," he said. "You look at our production last year and it was mainly from the right side.
"We didn't bring [ Jim] Edmonds back and Edmonds hit quite a few home runs, so we needed a left-handed bat. That's it. That was what I mentioned, that we could use a nice productive left-hand bat in the middle of our right-handed hitting."
Piniella paused for some time before finishing his thoughts and finally said:
"Look, we still need a left-hand bat who can hit for some power and drive in runs."
They won 97 games last year with a mostly right-handed hitting lineup. The problem was that nobody--right or left-handed--hit in the playoffs.
Lou's starting to sound as stupid as Dusty.
Agreed. If Lee, Soto, Ramirez, and Soriano all were in the lineup and hitting like they did last year you wouldn't hear a god damn peep about left handed hitting.
I'd rather have this year's Lee. But understand where you're going.
Quote from: RV on July 22, 2009, 08:49:33 AM
First of all, the 11 hits and two runs in 22 innings have just been a pleasure to watch. Not that we should be surprised at this point. 13th in the NL in runs scored, 11th in OPS, and last in average with RISP.
Second of all, while this team clearly needs some hitting, either from the current group of hoopleheads or outside the organization (even for, god forbid, a good right handed hitter), did anyone else think it's whiny of him to be bitching about it in the press? Or has the slapdick offense just put me in a foul mood?
Quote"The only thing I talked about last season was a need for a left- hand bat in a predominantly right-handed lineup who could hit the ball for power and drive in some runs," he said. "You look at our production last year and it was mainly from the right side.
"We didn't bring [ Jim] Edmonds back and Edmonds hit quite a few home runs, so we needed a left-handed bat. That's it. That was what I mentioned, that we could use a nice productive left-hand bat in the middle of our right-handed hitting."
Piniella paused for some time before finishing his thoughts and finally said:
"Look, we still need a left-hand bat who can hit for some power and drive in runs."
All he did was answer a question put to him in a press conference. I don't think it's whiny at all.
And the fact that they would have been better off bringing back Jim Edmonds is either funny as hell or fucking painful. I still haven't figured out which one.
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on July 22, 2009, 09:03:00 AM
Quote from: RV on July 22, 2009, 08:49:33 AM
First of all, the 11 hits and two runs in 22 innings have just been a pleasure to watch. Not that we should be surprised at this point. 13th in the NL in runs scored, 11th in OPS, and last in average with RISP.
Second of all, while this team clearly needs some hitting, either from the current group of hoopleheads or outside the organization (even for, god forbid, a good right handed hitter), did anyone else think it's whiny of him to be bitching about it in the press? Or has the slapdick offense just put me in a foul mood?
Quote"The only thing I talked about last season was a need for a left- hand bat in a predominantly right-handed lineup who could hit the ball for power and drive in some runs," he said. "You look at our production last year and it was mainly from the right side.
"We didn't bring [ Jim] Edmonds back and Edmonds hit quite a few home runs, so we needed a left-handed bat. That's it. That was what I mentioned, that we could use a nice productive left-hand bat in the middle of our right-handed hitting."
Piniella paused for some time before finishing his thoughts and finally said:
"Look, we still need a left-hand bat who can hit for some power and drive in runs."
All he did was answer a question put to him in a press conference. I don't think it's whiny at all.
And the fact that they would have been better off bringing back Jim Edmonds is either funny as hell or fucking painful. I still haven't figured out which one.
You've been looking at Jimmy's home and away splits for this year haven't you? You pervert.
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 22, 2009, 09:08:51 AM
Quote from: LoneStarCubFan on July 22, 2009, 09:03:00 AM
Quote from: RV on July 22, 2009, 08:49:33 AM
First of all, the 11 hits and two runs in 22 innings have just been a pleasure to watch. Not that we should be surprised at this point. 13th in the NL in runs scored, 11th in OPS, and last in average with RISP.
Second of all, while this team clearly needs some hitting, either from the current group of hoopleheads or outside the organization (even for, god forbid, a good right handed hitter), did anyone else think it's whiny of him to be bitching about it in the press? Or has the slapdick offense just put me in a foul mood?
Quote"The only thing I talked about last season was a need for a left- hand bat in a predominantly right-handed lineup who could hit the ball for power and drive in some runs," he said. "You look at our production last year and it was mainly from the right side.
"We didn't bring [ Jim] Edmonds back and Edmonds hit quite a few home runs, so we needed a left-handed bat. That's it. That was what I mentioned, that we could use a nice productive left-hand bat in the middle of our right-handed hitting."
Piniella paused for some time before finishing his thoughts and finally said:
"Look, we still need a left-hand bat who can hit for some power and drive in runs."
All he did was answer a question put to him in a press conference. I don't think it's whiny at all.
And the fact that they would have been better off bringing back Jim Edmonds is either funny as hell or fucking painful. I still haven't figured out which one.
You've been looking at Jimmy's home and away splits for this year haven't you? You pervert.
You caught me. Shit.
I will now go light myself on fire for even bringing Lassie up.
Quote from: SKO on July 22, 2009, 08:55:28 AM
Quote from: MAD on July 22, 2009, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: RV on July 22, 2009, 08:49:33 AM
First of all, the 11 hits and two runs in 22 innings have just been a pleasure to watch. Not that we should be surprised at this point. 13th in the NL in runs scored, 11th in OPS, and last in average with RISP.
Second of all, while this team clearly needs some hitting, either from the current group of hoopleheads or outside the organization (even for, god forbid, a good right handed hitter), did anyone else think it's whiny of him to be bitching about it in the press? Or has the slapdick offense just put me in a foul mood?
Quote"The only thing I talked about last season was a need for a left- hand bat in a predominantly right-handed lineup who could hit the ball for power and drive in some runs," he said. "You look at our production last year and it was mainly from the right side.
"We didn't bring [ Jim] Edmonds back and Edmonds hit quite a few home runs, so we needed a left-handed bat. That's it. That was what I mentioned, that we could use a nice productive left-hand bat in the middle of our right-handed hitting."
Piniella paused for some time before finishing his thoughts and finally said:
"Look, we still need a left-hand bat who can hit for some power and drive in runs."
They won 97 games last year with a mostly right-handed hitting lineup. The problem was that nobody--right or left-handed--hit in the playoffs.
Lou's starting to sound as stupid as Dusty.
Agreed. If Lee, Soto, Bradley, Ramirez, and Soriano all were in the lineup and hitting like they did last year you wouldn't hear a god damn peep about left handed hitting.
DPLee is better this year than last year'd
Quote from: IrishYeti on July 22, 2009, 10:15:15 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 22, 2009, 08:55:28 AM
Quote from: MAD on July 22, 2009, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: RV on July 22, 2009, 08:49:33 AM
First of all, the 11 hits and two runs in 22 innings have just been a pleasure to watch. Not that we should be surprised at this point. 13th in the NL in runs scored, 11th in OPS, and last in average with RISP.
Second of all, while this team clearly needs some hitting, either from the current group of hoopleheads or outside the organization (even for, god forbid, a good right handed hitter), did anyone else think it's whiny of him to be bitching about it in the press? Or has the slapdick offense just put me in a foul mood?
Quote"The only thing I talked about last season was a need for a left- hand bat in a predominantly right-handed lineup who could hit the ball for power and drive in some runs," he said. "You look at our production last year and it was mainly from the right side.
"We didn't bring [ Jim] Edmonds back and Edmonds hit quite a few home runs, so we needed a left-handed bat. That's it. That was what I mentioned, that we could use a nice productive left-hand bat in the middle of our right-handed hitting."
Piniella paused for some time before finishing his thoughts and finally said:
"Look, we still need a left-hand bat who can hit for some power and drive in runs."
They won 97 games last year with a mostly right-handed hitting lineup. The problem was that nobody--right or left-handed--hit in the playoffs.
Lou's starting to sound as stupid as Dusty.Quote from: BH on July 22, 2009, 09:01:01 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 22, 2009, 08:55:28 AM
Quote from: MAD on July 22, 2009, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: RV on July 22, 2009, 08:49:33 AM
First of all, the 11 hits and two runs in 22 innings have just been a pleasure to watch. Not that we should be surprised at this point. 13th in the NL in runs scored, 11th in OPS, and last in average with RISP.
Second of all, while this team clearly needs some hitting, either from the current group of hoopleheads or outside the organization (even for, god forbid, a good right handed hitter), did anyone else think it's whiny of him to be bitching about it in the press? Or has the slapdick offense just put me in a foul mood?
Quote"The only thing I talked about last season was a need for a left- hand bat in a predominantly right-handed lineup who could hit the ball for power and drive in some runs," he said. "You look at our production last year and it was mainly from the right side.
"We didn't bring [ Jim] Edmonds back and Edmonds hit quite a few home runs, so we needed a left-handed bat. That's it. That was what I mentioned, that we could use a nice productive left-hand bat in the middle of our right-handed hitting."
Piniella paused for some time before finishing his thoughts and finally said:
"Look, we still need a left-hand bat who can hit for some power and drive in runs."
They won 97 games last year with a mostly right-handed hitting lineup. The problem was that nobody--right or left-handed--hit in the playoffs.
Lou's starting to sound as stupid as Dusty.
Agreed. If Lee, Soto, Ramirez, and Soriano all were in the lineup and hitting like they did last year you wouldn't hear a god damn peep about left handed hitting.
I'd rather have this year's Lee. But understand where you're going.
Agreed. If Lee, Soto, Bradley, Ramirez, and Soriano all were in the lineup and hitting like they did last year you wouldn't hear a god damn peep about left handed hitting.
DPLee is better this year than last year'd
Face.
Quote from: SKO on July 22, 2009, 10:31:10 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on July 22, 2009, 10:15:15 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 22, 2009, 08:55:28 AM
Quote from: MAD on July 22, 2009, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: RV on July 22, 2009, 08:49:33 AM
First of all, the 11 hits and two runs in 22 innings have just been a pleasure to watch. Not that we should be surprised at this point. 13th in the NL in runs scored, 11th in OPS, and last in average with RISP.
Second of all, while this team clearly needs some hitting, either from the current group of hoopleheads or outside the organization (even for, god forbid, a good right handed hitter), did anyone else think it's whiny of him to be bitching about it in the press? Or has the slapdick offense just put me in a foul mood?
Quote"The only thing I talked about last season was a need for a left- hand bat in a predominantly right-handed lineup who could hit the ball for power and drive in some runs," he said. "You look at our production last year and it was mainly from the right side.
"We didn't bring [ Jim] Edmonds back and Edmonds hit quite a few home runs, so we needed a left-handed bat. That's it. That was what I mentioned, that we could use a nice productive left-hand bat in the middle of our right-handed hitting."
Piniella paused for some time before finishing his thoughts and finally said:
"Look, we still need a left-hand bat who can hit for some power and drive in runs."
They won 97 games last year with a mostly right-handed hitting lineup. The problem was that nobody--right or left-handed--hit in the playoffs.
Lou's starting to sound as stupid as Dusty.Quote from: BH on July 22, 2009, 09:01:01 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 22, 2009, 08:55:28 AM
Quote from: MAD on July 22, 2009, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: RV on July 22, 2009, 08:49:33 AM
First of all, the 11 hits and two runs in 22 innings have just been a pleasure to watch. Not that we should be surprised at this point. 13th in the NL in runs scored, 11th in OPS, and last in average with RISP.
Second of all, while this team clearly needs some hitting, either from the current group of hoopleheads or outside the organization (even for, god forbid, a good right handed hitter), did anyone else think it's whiny of him to be bitching about it in the press? Or has the slapdick offense just put me in a foul mood?
Quote"The only thing I talked about last season was a need for a left- hand bat in a predominantly right-handed lineup who could hit the ball for power and drive in some runs," he said. "You look at our production last year and it was mainly from the right side.
"We didn't bring [ Jim] Edmonds back and Edmonds hit quite a few home runs, so we needed a left-handed bat. That's it. That was what I mentioned, that we could use a nice productive left-hand bat in the middle of our right-handed hitting."
Piniella paused for some time before finishing his thoughts and finally said:
"Look, we still need a left-hand bat who can hit for some power and drive in runs."
They won 97 games last year with a mostly right-handed hitting lineup. The problem was that nobody--right or left-handed--hit in the playoffs.
Lou's starting to sound as stupid as Dusty.
Agreed. If Lee, Soto, Ramirez, and Soriano all were in the lineup and hitting like they did last year you wouldn't hear a god damn peep about left handed hitting.
I'd rather have this year's Lee. But understand where you're going.
Agreed. If Lee, Soto, Bradley, Ramirez, and Soriano all were in the lineup and hitting like they did last year you wouldn't hear a god damn peep about left handed hitting.
DPLee is better this year than last year'd
Face.
Mods?? Who's getting faced here? I wrote the same damn thing Yeti wrote!
That's why Yeti's getting faced.
Quote from: SKO on July 22, 2009, 10:40:51 AM
That's why Yeti's getting faced.
Thank you. Love your work at start kyle orton.
Quote from: SKO on July 22, 2009, 10:31:10 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on July 22, 2009, 10:15:15 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 22, 2009, 08:55:28 AM
Quote from: MAD on July 22, 2009, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: RV on July 22, 2009, 08:49:33 AM
First of all, the 11 hits and two runs in 22 innings have just been a pleasure to watch. Not that we should be surprised at this point. 13th in the NL in runs scored, 11th in OPS, and last in average with RISP.
Second of all, while this team clearly needs some hitting, either from the current group of hoopleheads or outside the organization (even for, god forbid, a good right handed hitter), did anyone else think it's whiny of him to be bitching about it in the press? Or has the slapdick offense just put me in a foul mood?
Quote"The only thing I talked about last season was a need for a left- hand bat in a predominantly right-handed lineup who could hit the ball for power and drive in some runs," he said. "You look at our production last year and it was mainly from the right side.
"We didn't bring [ Jim] Edmonds back and Edmonds hit quite a few home runs, so we needed a left-handed bat. That's it. That was what I mentioned, that we could use a nice productive left-hand bat in the middle of our right-handed hitting."
Piniella paused for some time before finishing his thoughts and finally said:
"Look, we still need a left-hand bat who can hit for some power and drive in runs."
They won 97 games last year with a mostly right-handed hitting lineup. The problem was that nobody--right or left-handed--hit in the playoffs.
Lou's starting to sound as stupid as Dusty.Quote from: BH on July 22, 2009, 09:01:01 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 22, 2009, 08:55:28 AM
Quote from: MAD on July 22, 2009, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: RV on July 22, 2009, 08:49:33 AM
First of all, the 11 hits and two runs in 22 innings have just been a pleasure to watch. Not that we should be surprised at this point. 13th in the NL in runs scored, 11th in OPS, and last in average with RISP.
Second of all, while this team clearly needs some hitting, either from the current group of hoopleheads or outside the organization (even for, god forbid, a good right handed hitter), did anyone else think it's whiny of him to be bitching about it in the press? Or has the slapdick offense just put me in a foul mood?
Quote"The only thing I talked about last season was a need for a left- hand bat in a predominantly right-handed lineup who could hit the ball for power and drive in some runs," he said. "You look at our production last year and it was mainly from the right side.
"We didn't bring [ Jim] Edmonds back and Edmonds hit quite a few home runs, so we needed a left-handed bat. That's it. That was what I mentioned, that we could use a nice productive left-hand bat in the middle of our right-handed hitting."
Piniella paused for some time before finishing his thoughts and finally said:
"Look, we still need a left-hand bat who can hit for some power and drive in runs."
They won 97 games last year with a mostly right-handed hitting lineup. The problem was that nobody--right or left-handed--hit in the playoffs.
Lou's starting to sound as stupid as Dusty.
Agreed. If Lee, Soto, Ramirez, and Soriano all were in the lineup and hitting like they did last year you wouldn't hear a god damn peep about left handed hitting.
I'd rather have this year's Lee. But understand where you're going.
Agreed. If Lee, Soto, Bradley, Ramirez, and Soriano all were in the lineup and hitting like they did last year you wouldn't hear a god damn peep about left handed hitting.
DPLee is better this year than last year'd
Face.
Goddamnit
Quote from: BH on July 22, 2009, 10:42:09 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 22, 2009, 10:40:51 AM
That's why Yeti's getting faced.
Thank you. Love your work at start kyle orton.
Always nice to meet a fan.
Yet another previous thread celebrating the shittiness of the Cubs that deserves to be BUMPED.
Marlon Byrd left 8 on today.
Score some fucking runs.
Leave it to the fucking Cubs to hire a steroid guru as hitting coach and try to roll drug-free.
Fuck.
Quote from: Fork on April 12, 2010, 07:27:26 AM
Leave it to the fucking Cubs to hire a steroid guru as hitting coach and try to roll drug-free.
Fuck.
The guy came from Texas. Home of Jose Canseco, Pudge Rodriguez and George Bush.
Drugs they had, a plenty.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 12, 2010, 08:35:49 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 12, 2010, 07:27:26 AM
Leave it to the fucking Cubs to hire a steroid guru as hitting coach and try to roll drug-free.
Fuck.
The guy came from Texas. Home of Jose Canseco, Pudge Rodriguez and George Bush.
Drugs they had, a plenty.
....
(Stares blankly at Chuck.)
Rudy says the main issue is the batting cage. And not getting enough time in it to work with the hitters. It's hard to believe that a team this wealthy can't afford to fix the batting cage issues they've complained about for years.
Quote from: BH on April 12, 2010, 09:03:07 AM
Rudy says the main issue is the batting cage. And not getting enough time in it to work with the hitters. It's hard to believe that a team this wealthy can't afford to fix the batting cage issues they've complained about for years.
I'm just glad there are excuses.
Quote from: BH on April 12, 2010, 09:03:07 AM
Rudy says the main issue is the batting cage. And not getting enough time in it to work with the hitters. It's hard to believe that a team this wealthy can't afford to fix the batting cage issues they've complained about for years.
They play baseball for approximately three hours in a day. What the hell are they doing for the other 9 hours they may be awake?
Quote from: BH on April 12, 2010, 09:03:07 AM
Rudy says the main issue is the batting cage. And not getting enough time in it to work with the hitters. It's hard to believe that a team this wealthy can't afford to fix the batting cage issues they've complained about for years.
Yeah. The limitations of access to the batting cage at Wrigley is really a problem so far this season.
If Rudy really said that (and I'd love to see the source of that non-quote), maybe next year he can convince the team to, say, have a month of time before the season starts where the team can have access to say, 4 or 5 fields and plenty of time to do nothing else but practice.
Maybe do this somewhere where the weather is good the whole time.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 12, 2010, 09:08:54 AM
If Rudy really said that (and I'd love to see the source of that non-quote), maybe next year he can convince the team to, say, have a month of time before the season starts where the team can have access to say, 4 or 5 fields and plenty of time to do nothing else but practice.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/2152863,CST-SPT-csep12.article
Well, that's a little different from what I took from your post. I thought Rudy was blaming the slump SO FAR on the lack of a cage.
I guess what we can take from this is that the offense will get worse.
Isn't there a bar down the street from the park with batting cages?
Problem solved.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 12, 2010, 09:34:22 AM
Well, that's a little different from what I took from your post. I thought Rudy was blaming the slump SO FAR on the lack of a cage.
I guess what we can take from this is that the offense will get worse.
They haven't played a home game yet, how could he blame the woes so far on wrigley?
Only Chicago teams talk about assistant coaching hires saving their seasons.. first it wsa how awesome larry rothschild is and how we had to keep him.. then rod marinelli.. now rudy jaramillo... tex winter's success cannot be duplicated..
Quote from: BH on April 12, 2010, 09:57:37 AM
They haven't played a home game yet, how could he blame the woes so far on wrigley?
Exactly. I thought Rudy was venturing into Dusty excuse territory.
Quote from: BH on April 12, 2010, 09:57:37 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 12, 2010, 09:34:22 AM
Well, that's a little different from what I took from your post. I thought Rudy was blaming the slump SO FAR on the lack of a cage.
I guess what we can take from this is that the offense will get worse.
They haven't played a home game yet, how could he blame the woes so far on wrigley?
Only Chicago teams talk about assistant coaching hires saving their seasons.. first it wsa how awesome larry rothschild is and how we had to keep him.. then rod marinelli.. now rudy jaramillo... tex winter's success cannot be duplicated..
In all fairness, the Chicago Bears probably would not have won their last two championships without these guys:
(http://www.sportsfanlive.com/roller/chicagobearsblog/resource/W13GAllen.jpg)
(http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/81369015.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789215ABF3343C02EA548BC397861F40FD3A62DB4E3A625AAD198FA124CB5D3C168EE)
However, both guys were almost like head coaches. Are pitching and hitting coaches?
Larry Rothschild vs. Don Cooper: do they make that big a difference? Discuss.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on April 12, 2010, 09:52:00 AM
Isn't there a bar down the street from the park with batting cages?
Problem solved.
Just gotta go slug some chicks at Banger's.
What they need is a towel drill. For hitters.
Slezak and I are on board.
Thank you Xavier.
Thank you Jeff Baker.
OK, that's enough for today. At least until they put Hoffman in.
Need relief for your run scoring drought? Call in the Brewers pitching staff.
I wish Dempster had gotten pulled just one inning earlier. Otherwise, it would have been a pretty good outing. That and someone needs to punch The Marmot in The Nuts.
Quote from: RedBeard on April 13, 2010, 06:01:11 PM
I wish Dempster had gotten pulled just one inning earlier. Otherwise, it would have been a pretty good outing. That and someone needs to punch The Marmot in The Nuts.
This thread is not about pitching.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 13, 2010, 06:12:59 PM
Quote from: RedBeard on April 13, 2010, 06:01:11 PM
I wish Dempster had gotten pulled just one inning earlier. Otherwise, it would have been a pretty good outing. That and someone needs to punch The Marmot in The Nuts.
This thread is not about pitching.
Well... Fuck.
I would have thought that any reference to nut punching would have been welcome anywhere. I can now see that I was wrong. Thank you, PenFoe, for your service.
Quote from: RedBeard on April 13, 2010, 06:21:43 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 13, 2010, 06:12:59 PM
Quote from: RedBeard on April 13, 2010, 06:01:11 PM
I wish Dempster had gotten pulled just one inning earlier. Otherwise, it would have been a pretty good outing. That and someone needs to punch The Marmot in The Nuts.
This thread is not about pitching.
Well... Fuck.
I would have thought that any reference to nut punching would have been welcome anywhere. I can now see that I was wrong. Thank you, PenFoe, for your service.
Let's punch Pen in the nuts.
Quote from: Fork on April 14, 2010, 08:05:39 AM
Quote from: RedBeard on April 13, 2010, 06:21:43 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 13, 2010, 06:12:59 PM
Quote from: RedBeard on April 13, 2010, 06:01:11 PM
I wish Dempster had gotten pulled just one inning earlier. Otherwise, it would have been a pretty good outing. That and someone needs to punch The Marmot in The Nuts.
This thread is not about pitching.
Well... Fuck.
I would have thought that any reference to nut punching would have been welcome anywhere. I can now see that I was wrong. Thank you, PenFoe, for your service.
Let's punch Pen in the nuts.
Fork wants to touch Pen's nuts.
Quote from: RedBeard on April 13, 2010, 06:01:11 PM
I wish Dempster had gotten pulled just one inning earlier. Otherwise, it would have been a pretty good outing. That and someone needs to punch The Marmot in The Nuts.
Someone needs to punch you in the nuts, you cock-tucking, dick-nosed git.
Quote from: Internet Apex on April 14, 2010, 07:02:46 PM
Quote from: RedBeard on April 13, 2010, 06:01:11 PM
I wish Dempster had gotten pulled just one inning earlier. Otherwise, it would have been a pretty good outing. That and someone needs to punch The Marmot in The Nuts.
Someone needs to punch you in the nuts, you cock-tucking, dick-nosed git.
Wait... Would that mean that I'm tucking my nose?
Quote from: RedBeard on April 14, 2010, 09:10:23 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on April 14, 2010, 07:02:46 PM
Quote from: RedBeard on April 13, 2010, 06:01:11 PM
I wish Dempster had gotten pulled just one inning earlier. Otherwise, it would have been a pretty good outing. That and someone needs to punch The Marmot in The Nuts.
Someone needs to punch you in the nuts, you cock-tucking, dick-nosed git.
Wait... Would that mean that I'm tucking my nose?
Yes.
One run in two games at the Yellowstone CitiField. They should do better than that. But sadly, they don't.
Quote from: pisomojado8 on April 20, 2010, 09:08:22 PM
One run in two games at the Yellowstone CitiField. They should do better than that. But sadly, they don't.
Telling myself that the Deadbirds scored only one run in 20 innings against this Mets team isn't helping...
Score some goddamn fucking runs. FUCK!
Ma! Meatloaf! Now!
Anyone reminded of the stretch in 2005, I think on the west coast, when the Cubs barely scored a run for what seemed like two weeks? I remember trying to watch those late games but just getting stoned to bejesus instead and falling asleep on the couch. Miserable.
Quote from: Slaky on April 21, 2010, 09:30:01 AM
Anyone reminded of the stretch in 2005, I think on the west coast, when the Cubs barely scored a run for what seemed like two weeks? I remember trying to watch those late games but just getting stoned to bejesus instead and falling asleep on the couch. Miserable.
Oh god. I hope this 2008-2009-2010 stretch isn't 2003-2004-2005 all over again. Because then 2011 is gonna be just as awful.
But to be honest, I have no clear memories from late 2004-early 2007. My brain has suppressed something like 90% of the horror of those days.
Quote from: Slaky on April 21, 2010, 09:30:01 AM
Anyone reminded of the stretch in 2005, I think on the west coast, when the Cubs barely scored a run for what seemed like two weeks? I remember trying to watch those late games but just getting stoned to bejesus instead and falling asleep on the couch. Miserable.
I don't see that stretch, but there's one in 2006, May 3-11 to be exact (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHC/2006-schedule-scores.shtml), that they lost 8 out of 9 and scored 20 runs total (8 in one game). They also fell below .500 during it and stayed that way.
Quote from: Bort on April 21, 2010, 09:37:00 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 21, 2010, 09:30:01 AM
Anyone reminded of the stretch in 2005, I think on the west coast, when the Cubs barely scored a run for what seemed like two weeks? I remember trying to watch those late games but just getting stoned to bejesus instead and falling asleep on the couch. Miserable.
Oh god. I hope this 2008-2009-2010 stretch isn't 2003-2004-2005 all over again. Because then 2011 is gonna be just as awful.
But to be honest, I have no clear memories from late 2004-early 2007. My brain has suppressed something like 90% of the horror of those days.
No. The 2003-2006 stretch is repeated 2007-2010. Which means it's gonna hai in 2011 or 2012.
Cue the devastating injury to Derrek Lee in...
Quote from: Bort on April 21, 2010, 09:37:00 AM
But to be honest, I have no clear memories from late 2004-early 2007. My brain has suppressed something like 90% of the horror of those days.
That.
If our bullpen didn't suck, we wouldn't need this thread.
Quote from: Bort on April 21, 2010, 09:37:00 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 21, 2010, 09:30:01 AM
Anyone reminded of the stretch in 2005, I think on the west coast, when the Cubs barely scored a run for what seemed like two weeks? I remember trying to watch those late games but just getting stoned to bejesus instead and falling asleep on the couch. Miserable.
Oh god. I hope this 2008-2009-2010 stretch isn't 2003-2004-2005 all over again. Because then 2011 is gonna be just as awful.
But to be honest, I have no clear memories from late 2004-early 2007. My brain has suppressed something like 90% of the horror of those days.
You don't remember WGN coming back from commercial in the early innings of games pitched by Kerry Wood/Mark Prior, only to discover that Glendon Rusch was the new pitcher on the mound?
You lucky fucking bastard.
Quote from: BH on April 21, 2010, 09:58:00 AM
If our bullpen didn't suck, we wouldn't need this thread.
If the Cubs keep averaging 1.2 runs a game like they have in the past week-or-so, the bullpen could be tits and people'd still be raging in this thread.
Quote from: Canadouche on April 21, 2010, 10:01:33 AM
Quote from: BH on April 21, 2010, 09:58:00 AM
If our bullpen didn't suck, we wouldn't need this thread.
If the Cubs keep averaging 1.2 runs a game like they have in the past week-or-so, the bullpen could be tits and people'd still be raging in this thread.
You didn't notice the green font.
Quote from: Yeti on April 21, 2010, 09:42:44 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 21, 2010, 09:30:01 AM
Anyone reminded of the stretch in 2005, I think on the west coast, when the Cubs barely scored a run for what seemed like two weeks? I remember trying to watch those late games but just getting stoned to bejesus instead and falling asleep on the couch. Miserable.
I don't see that stretch, but there's one in 2006, May 3-11 to be exact (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHC/2006-schedule-scores.shtml), that they lost 8 out of 9 and scored 20 runs total (8 in one game). They also fell below .500 during it and stayed that way.
Yes, that is exactly the one I was talking about - thank you.
Quote from: Yeti on April 21, 2010, 09:42:44 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 21, 2010, 09:30:01 AM
Anyone reminded of the stretch in 2005, I think on the west coast, when the Cubs barely scored a run for what seemed like two weeks? I remember trying to watch those late games but just getting stoned to bejesus instead and falling asleep on the couch. Miserable.
I don't see that stretch, but there's one in 2006, May 3-11 to be exact (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHC/2006-schedule-scores.shtml), that they lost 8 out of 9 and scored 20 runs total (8 in one game). They also fell below .500 during it and stayed that way.
I remember that stretch too well...definitely a few good starts got spoiled.
Quote from: BH on April 21, 2010, 09:17:19 AM
Ma! Meatloaf! Now!
I'm a retarded meathead...I'm still laughing.
Daggummit
Leadoff guy: 5-6 to start the season. 0 runs.
Meet the new boss....
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 02, 2014, 07:15:35 PM
Leadoff guy: 5-6 to start the season. 0 runs.
Meet the new boss....
Needs more Pittsburgh and law school.
Bump.
You guys remember Damon Buford's tenure as a Cub? Remember how he went something like 1-56 to start the season?
I remember it because my friend actually picked him up in fantasy at one point because the law of averages suggested that he was likely to go on a mini hot streak. No one's 1 for 63 or whatever bad. We called it the Damon Buford Corollary.
I think the reverse of that is in store for Emilio Bonifacio.
Quote from: Slaky on April 03, 2014, 06:49:45 AM
No one's 1 for 63 or whatever bad.
Intrepid reader Brent Nillibridge: You rang?
It's been a while since I've had confidence in a Cubs player like I do in Bonerface right now. He's my favorite player in baseball.
I hope when they parade the World Series trophy down Michigan Ave. with prospects they trade Bonerface for helping lead the procession that we remember this torrid streak. Maybe I'll Tweet about it while I'm taking a shit that day and remind you.
Quote from: Slaky on April 03, 2014, 06:49:45 AM
I remember it because my friend actually picked him up in fantasy at one point because the law of averages suggested that he was likely to go on a mini hot streak.
Yeah... That's not how regression to the mean works at all. Which is probably why the Cubs released him that May.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on April 03, 2014, 09:29:16 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 03, 2014, 06:49:45 AM
I remember it because my friend actually picked him up in fantasy at one point because the law of averages suggested that he was likely to go on a mini hot streak.
Yeah... That's not how regression to the mean works at all. Which is probably why the Cubs released him that May.
I think we are on to something here. A new strategy to gain an advantage. If the cubs trade for every slumping player, we are almost guaranteed a long playoff run when they start heating up the 2nd half of the season into the postseason. I hope Theo reads this site. I'm sure he does.
This season is going to suck some serious hang if the Cubs continue to hit .037 with runners in scoring position.
Quote from: R-V on April 03, 2014, 09:34:25 AM
This season is going to suck some serious hang if the Cubs continue to hit .037 with runners in scoring position.
#cubes'd
Quote from: R-V on April 03, 2014, 09:34:25 AM
This season is going to suck some serious hang if the Cubs continue to hit .037 with runners in scoring position.
That's pretty much what they hit all of last year, IIRC.
Quote from: R-V on April 03, 2014, 09:34:25 AM
This season is going to suck some serious hang if the Cubs continue to hit .037 with runners in scoring position.
Look on the bright side, once Bonerface turns back into himself, nobody will every be in scoring position again.
Quote from: CT III on April 03, 2014, 11:01:19 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 03, 2014, 09:34:25 AM
This season is going to suck some serious hang if the Cubs continue to hit .037 with runners in scoring position.
Look on the bright side, once Bonerface turns back into himself, nobody will every be in scoring position again.
The whole every?
Bonerface gets on base, scores. Yawn.
How many would you like?
18 innings in Yankee Stadium and 0 runs.
This offense might be the worst that I can remember in my lifetime.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 16, 2014, 10:58:23 PM
18 innings in Yankee Stadium and 0 runs.
This offense might be the worst that I can remember in my lifetime.
Runs scored through 12 games, 2014: 47
Examples from the recent past:
2013: 42 (Brent Nillibridge, Dave Sappelt, Alberto Gonzalez, Scott Hairston)
2012: 43 (Ian Stewart, Darwin Barney, Joe F. Mather, Blake F. DeWitt, Bryan LaHair, Steve Clevenger)
2002: 43 (Turd Hundley, Delino DeShields, Chris Stynes, Bobby Hill)
I'm not saying this offense is good - and indeed, I don't think anybody really expected it to be - but we've seen worse (helloooo 2012) and in fairness, they did come up against two hot pitchers. Tanaka and Pineda together, even before yesterday, were sporting a WHIP below 1.00 and an ERA below 3.00. Also (I watched the game, guh), Tanaka was getting the low strike all afternoon long.
Quote from: Tonker on April 17, 2014, 04:06:32 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 16, 2014, 10:58:23 PM
18 innings in Yankee Stadium and 0 runs.
This offense might be the worst that I can remember in my lifetime.
Runs scored through 12 games, 2014: 47
Examples from the recent past:
2013: 42 (Brent Nillibridge, Dave Sappelt, Alberto Gonzalez, Scott Hairston)
2012: 43 (Ian Stewart, Darwin Barney, Joe F. Mather, Blake F. DeWitt, Bryan LaHair, Steve Clevenger)
2002: 43 (Turd Hundley, Delino DeShields, Chris Stynes, Bobby Hill)
I'm not saying this offense is good - and indeed, I don't think anybody really expected it to be - but we've seen worse (helloooo 2012) and in fairness, they did come up against two hot pitchers. Tanaka and Pineda together, even before yesterday, were sporting a WHIP below 1.00 and an ERA below 3.00. Also (I watched the game, guh), Tanaka was getting the low strike all afternoon long.
People like to claim bad current things as the "Worst they've ever seen" when I'm pretty sure they've seen worse.... like the previous 3 years
Quote from: Tonker on April 17, 2014, 04:06:32 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 16, 2014, 10:58:23 PM
18 innings in Yankee Stadium and 0 runs.
This offense might be the worst that I can remember in my lifetime.
Runs scored through 12 games, 2014: 47
Examples from the recent past:
2013: 42 (Brent Nillibridge, Dave Sappelt, Alberto Gonzalez, Scott Hairston)
2012: 43 (Ian Stewart, Darwin Barney, Joe F. Mather, Blake F. DeWitt, Bryan LaHair, Steve Clevenger)
2002: 43 (Turd Hundley, Delino DeShields, Chris Stynes, Bobby Hill)
I'm not saying this offense is good - and indeed, I don't think anybody really expected it to be - but we've seen worse (helloooo 2012) and in fairness, they did come up against two hot pitchers. Tanaka and Pineda together, even before yesterday, were sporting a WHIP below 1.00 and an ERA below 3.00. Also (I watched the game, guh), Tanaka was getting the low strike all afternoon long.
The Tanaka thing was an extra slap in the face. He certainly looks like an ace so far.
Quote from: Yeti on April 17, 2014, 06:37:20 AM
Quote from: Tonker on April 17, 2014, 04:06:32 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 16, 2014, 10:58:23 PM
18 innings in Yankee Stadium and 0 runs.
This offense might be the worst that I can remember in my lifetime.
Runs scored through 12 games, 2014: 47
Examples from the recent past:
2013: 42 (Brent Nillibridge, Dave Sappelt, Alberto Gonzalez, Scott Hairston)
2012: 43 (Ian Stewart, Darwin Barney, Joe F. Mather, Blake F. DeWitt, Bryan LaHair, Steve Clevenger)
2002: 43 (Turd Hundley, Delino DeShields, Chris Stynes, Bobby Hill)
I'm not saying this offense is good - and indeed, I don't think anybody really expected it to be - but we've seen worse (helloooo 2012) and in fairness, they did come up against two hot pitchers. Tanaka and Pineda together, even before yesterday, were sporting a WHIP below 1.00 and an ERA below 3.00. Also (I watched the game, guh), Tanaka was getting the low strike all afternoon long.
People like to claim bad current things as the "Worst they've ever seen" when I'm pretty sure they've seen worse.... like the previous 3 years
Actually, with the two shutouts last night, the 2014 Cubs did become the worst offensive team in living memory with an average of just 3.36 runs per game. The only two seasons worse than that were 1916 and 1919 with 3.33 and 3.24 runs per game, respectively.
Working only with completed seasons, though, and assuming for a moment that CFiHP started watching the Cubs in, say, 1995, then the worst offense he can remember is... *drum roll*...
The 2013 Chicago Cubs, with just 3.71 runs per game!
Closely followed by the 2012 Cubs (3.78 rpg), the 2011 Cubs (4.04 rpg) and the 2010 Cubs (4.23 rpg)
If we can go back just a little bit further, though, the 1981 Cubs (3.49 rpg) were worse than anything we've seen since the aforementioned 1919, closely followed by the 1992 Cubs (3.66 rpg). Last, but not least, Stew might remember the 1963 Cubs (3.52 rpg) as being especially sucky.
So, you know... CFiHP might not be right, but he's nort exactly wrong, either.
And yes, I know I should have dug out the average runs per game per year for comparison. I couldn't be arsed.
I hope someone on this site is tracking most bunts in a season by a team, this cubs team is going to smash it.
Quote from: BH on April 17, 2014, 09:24:17 AM
I hope someone on this site is tracking most bunts in a season by a team, this cubs team is going to smash it.
The bunting is crazy. It's almost as if Renteria is the opposite type of manager that Theo would like.
Quote from: Tony on April 17, 2014, 09:31:32 AM
Quote from: BH on April 17, 2014, 09:24:17 AM
I hope someone on this site is tracking most bunts in a season by a team, this cubs team is going to smash it.
The bunting is crazy. It's almost as if Renteria is the opposite type of manager that Theo would like.
Has Theo ever said "I hate bunting!" or are we just remembering things that never happened?
Ever since Theo the start of each spring training has had a fucking Bunt Tournament. This year they postponed the one in Mesa and kicked it off once the season started.
I can deal with the losing but this bunting is fucking rocking my nuts off.
Quote from: Slaky on April 17, 2014, 09:34:49 AM
Quote from: Tony on April 17, 2014, 09:31:32 AM
Quote from: BH on April 17, 2014, 09:24:17 AM
I hope someone on this site is tracking most bunts in a season by a team, this cubs team is going to smash it.
The bunting is crazy. It's almost as if Renteria is the opposite type of manager that Theo would like.
Has Theo ever said "I hate bunting!" or are we just remembering things that never happened?
Ever since Theo the start of each spring training has had a fucking Bunt Tournament. This year they postponed the one in Mesa and kicked it off once the season started.
I can deal with the losing but this bunting is fucking rocking my nuts off.
The statlosers will tell you bunting is rarely a good idea, so I'd assume Theo believes in that philosophy as well.
Especially on a team that can't score, wasting outs bunting seems like a really stupid idea, especially when you do it 7+ times a game. The defense has to know what's coming at that point.
Quote from: BH on April 17, 2014, 09:45:26 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 17, 2014, 09:34:49 AM
Quote from: Tony on April 17, 2014, 09:31:32 AM
Quote from: BH on April 17, 2014, 09:24:17 AM
I hope someone on this site is tracking most bunts in a season by a team, this cubs team is going to smash it.
The bunting is crazy. It's almost as if Renteria is the opposite type of manager that Theo would like.
Has Theo ever said "I hate bunting!" or are we just remembering things that never happened?
Ever since Theo the start of each spring training has had a fucking Bunt Tournament. This year they postponed the one in Mesa and kicked it off once the season started.
I can deal with the losing but this bunting is fucking rocking my nuts off.
The statlosers will tell you bunting is rarely a good idea, so I'd assume Theo believes in that philosophy as well.
Especially on a team that can't score, wasting outs bunting seems like a really stupid idea, especially when you do it 7+ times a game. The defense has to know what's coming at that point.
Statnerds and meatballs can agree... it's never a good idea to bunt runners into scoring positions for Darwin Barney.
Quote from: Tony on April 17, 2014, 09:47:27 AM
Quote from: BH on April 17, 2014, 09:45:26 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 17, 2014, 09:34:49 AM
Quote from: Tony on April 17, 2014, 09:31:32 AM
Quote from: BH on April 17, 2014, 09:24:17 AM
I hope someone on this site is tracking most bunts in a season by a team, this cubs team is going to smash it.
The bunting is crazy. It's almost as if Renteria is the opposite type of manager that Theo would like.
Has Theo ever said "I hate bunting!" or are we just remembering things that never happened?
Ever since Theo the start of each spring training has had a fucking Bunt Tournament. This year they postponed the one in Mesa and kicked it off once the season started.
I can deal with the losing but this bunting is fucking rocking my nuts off.
The statlosers will tell you bunting is rarely a good idea, so I'd assume Theo believes in that philosophy as well.
Especially on a team that can't score, wasting outs bunting seems like a really stupid idea, especially when you do it 7+ times a game. The defense has to know what's coming at that point.
Statnerds and meatballs can agree... it's never a good idea to bunt runners into scoring positions for Darwin Barney.
We all agree. the MANAGER of a pro baseball team (allegedly) doesn't seem to agree. So is someone going to talk to him? Hey buddy stop bunting.
It'd be cool if he stopped doing this.
Castillo bunted on his own yesterday according to Renteria, so there's that.
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/23122/cubs-go-down-quietly-in-new-york (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/23122/cubs-go-down-quietly-in-new-york)
QuoteCastillo bunting: Renteria indicated catcher Welington Castillo bunted on his own in the fifth inning of Game 2 on Wednesday night. With runners on first and second and none out, Castillo laid down a nice sacrifice, but it wasn't what his manager wanted.
"We wanted him to swing the bat," he said.
The Cubs' Nos. 8 and 9 hitters were due up, as Kalish subsequently struck out and Barney flew out. Renteria has used the bunt often so far this season, so maybe Castillo thought it was the right move. It wasn't.
Quote from: motown on April 17, 2014, 10:07:08 AM
Castillo bunted on his own yesterday according to Renteria, so there's that.
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/23122/cubs-go-down-quietly-in-new-york (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/23122/cubs-go-down-quietly-in-new-york)
QuoteCastillo bunting: Renteria indicated catcher Welington Castillo bunted on his own in the fifth inning of Game 2 on Wednesday night. With runners on first and second and none out, Castillo laid down a nice sacrifice, but it wasn't what his manager wanted.
"We wanted him to swing the bat," he said.
The Cubs' Nos. 8 and 9 hitters were due up, as Kalish subsequently struck out and Barney flew out. Renteria has used the bunt often so far this season, so maybe Castillo thought it was the right move. It wasn't.
ITS A FUCKING DISEASE
Quote from: Slaky on April 17, 2014, 10:10:23 AM
Quote from: motown on April 17, 2014, 10:07:08 AM
Castillo bunted on his own yesterday according to Renteria, so there's that.
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/23122/cubs-go-down-quietly-in-new-york (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/23122/cubs-go-down-quietly-in-new-york)
QuoteCastillo bunting: Renteria indicated catcher Welington Castillo bunted on his own in the fifth inning of Game 2 on Wednesday night. With runners on first and second and none out, Castillo laid down a nice sacrifice, but it wasn't what his manager wanted.
"We wanted him to swing the bat," he said.
The Cubs' Nos. 8 and 9 hitters were due up, as Kalish subsequently struck out and Barney flew out. Renteria has used the bunt often so far this season, so maybe Castillo thought it was the right move. It wasn't.
ITS A FUCKING DISEASE
Aaahh...but curable.
Quote from: motown on April 17, 2014, 10:07:08 AM
Castillo bunted on his own yesterday according to Renteria, so there's that.
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/23122/cubs-go-down-quietly-in-new-york (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/23122/cubs-go-down-quietly-in-new-york)
QuoteCastillo bunting: Renteria indicated catcher Welington Castillo bunted on his own in the fifth inning of Game 2 on Wednesday night. With runners on first and second and none out, Castillo laid down a nice sacrifice, but it wasn't what his manager wanted.
"We wanted him to swing the bat," he said.
The Cubs' Nos. 8 and 9 hitters were due up, as Kalish subsequently struck out and Barney flew out. Renteria has used the bunt often so far this season, so maybe Castillo thought it was the right move. It wasn't.
Gee, Rick, I wonder where he could have gotten the idea.
Quote from: Eli on April 17, 2014, 10:21:33 AM
Quote from: motown on April 17, 2014, 10:07:08 AM
Castillo bunted on his own yesterday according to Renteria, so there's that.
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/23122/cubs-go-down-quietly-in-new-york (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/23122/cubs-go-down-quietly-in-new-york)
QuoteCastillo bunting: Renteria indicated catcher Welington Castillo bunted on his own in the fifth inning of Game 2 on Wednesday night. With runners on first and second and none out, Castillo laid down a nice sacrifice, but it wasn't what his manager wanted.
"We wanted him to swing the bat," he said.
The Cubs' Nos. 8 and 9 hitters were due up, as Kalish subsequently struck out and Barney flew out. Renteria has used the bunt often so far this season, so maybe Castillo thought it was the right move. It wasn't.
Gee, Rick, I wonder where he could have gotten the idea.
Why would Castillo sacrifice on his own? Isn't that the type of thing a manager always calls for? Are the players so stupid that they need a "don't bunt" sign?
Quote from: Tony on April 17, 2014, 10:49:35 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 17, 2014, 10:21:33 AM
Quote from: motown on April 17, 2014, 10:07:08 AM
Castillo bunted on his own yesterday according to Renteria, so there's that.
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/23122/cubs-go-down-quietly-in-new-york (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/23122/cubs-go-down-quietly-in-new-york)
QuoteCastillo bunting: Renteria indicated catcher Welington Castillo bunted on his own in the fifth inning of Game 2 on Wednesday night. With runners on first and second and none out, Castillo laid down a nice sacrifice, but it wasn't what his manager wanted.
"We wanted him to swing the bat," he said.
The Cubs' Nos. 8 and 9 hitters were due up, as Kalish subsequently struck out and Barney flew out. Renteria has used the bunt often so far this season, so maybe Castillo thought it was the right move. It wasn't.
Gee, Rick, I wonder where he could have gotten the idea.
Why would Castillo sacrifice on his own? Isn't that the type of thing a manager always calls for? Are the players so stupid that they need a "don't bunt" sign?
Ricketts probably called for the bunt from the owner's box.
Maybe Theo doesn't care that much at this point. Even the craziest Renteria bunt habits aren't likely to cost the Cubs more than a win or two during the season, and there's no real difference between 65 and 67 wins. In fact, Theo probably prefers to win 65 games to 67.
Ergo, Theo hired Renteria BECAUSE of his bunting tendencies.
#falseflag
Quote from: Eli on April 17, 2014, 11:42:48 AM
Maybe Theo doesn't care that much at this point. Even the craziest Renteria bunt habits aren't likely to cost the Cubs more than a win or two during the season, and there's no real difference between 65 and 67 wins. In fact, Theo probably prefers to win 65 games to 67.
Ergo, Theo hired Renteria BECAUSE of his bunting tendencies.
#falseflag
The Cubes had the second fewest situations where a hitter showed bunt last year. They're up to second most this year (three behind the Twins). I don't think it matters that much. But, there's really no reason for Rizzo to be bunting. That's indefensible.
*puts feet up*
This is where not giving a damn pays off in spades.
Quote from: Tony on April 17, 2014, 10:49:35 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 17, 2014, 10:21:33 AM
Quote from: motown on April 17, 2014, 10:07:08 AM
Castillo bunted on his own yesterday according to Renteria, so there's that.
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/23122/cubs-go-down-quietly-in-new-york (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/23122/cubs-go-down-quietly-in-new-york)
QuoteCastillo bunting: Renteria indicated catcher Welington Castillo bunted on his own in the fifth inning of Game 2 on Wednesday night. With runners on first and second and none out, Castillo laid down a nice sacrifice, but it wasn't what his manager wanted.
"We wanted him to swing the bat," he said.
The Cubs' Nos. 8 and 9 hitters were due up, as Kalish subsequently struck out and Barney flew out. Renteria has used the bunt often so far this season, so maybe Castillo thought it was the right move. It wasn't.
Gee, Rick, I wonder where he could have gotten the idea.
Why would Castillo sacrifice on his own? Isn't that the type of thing a manager always calls for? Are the players so stupid that they need a "don't bunt" sign?
Whether Renteria called for it or not, Castillo's bunt made sense in that situation. Behind by one run, runners on first and second with no outs. It was legitimate. Even the Cubs could score at least a run at that point. Right?
Quote from: CBStew on April 17, 2014, 12:21:36 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 17, 2014, 10:49:35 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 17, 2014, 10:21:33 AM
Quote from: motown on April 17, 2014, 10:07:08 AM
Castillo bunted on his own yesterday according to Renteria, so there's that.
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/23122/cubs-go-down-quietly-in-new-york (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/23122/cubs-go-down-quietly-in-new-york)
QuoteCastillo bunting: Renteria indicated catcher Welington Castillo bunted on his own in the fifth inning of Game 2 on Wednesday night. With runners on first and second and none out, Castillo laid down a nice sacrifice, but it wasn't what his manager wanted.
"We wanted him to swing the bat," he said.
The Cubs' Nos. 8 and 9 hitters were due up, as Kalish subsequently struck out and Barney flew out. Renteria has used the bunt often so far this season, so maybe Castillo thought it was the right move. It wasn't.
Gee, Rick, I wonder where he could have gotten the idea.
Why would Castillo sacrifice on his own? Isn't that the type of thing a manager always calls for? Are the players so stupid that they need a "don't bunt" sign?
Whether Renteria called for it or not, Castillo's bunt made sense in that situation. Behind by one run, runners on first and second with no outs. It was legitimate. Even the Cubs could score at least a run at that point. Right?
No. Not with Kalish and Barney coming up.
Quote from: Bort on April 17, 2014, 12:07:46 PM
*puts feet up*
This is where not giving a damn pays off in spades.
You're reading this thread, ain't ya?
Quote from: CBStew on April 17, 2014, 12:21:36 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 17, 2014, 10:49:35 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 17, 2014, 10:21:33 AM
Quote from: motown on April 17, 2014, 10:07:08 AM
Castillo bunted on his own yesterday according to Renteria, so there's that.
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/23122/cubs-go-down-quietly-in-new-york (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/23122/cubs-go-down-quietly-in-new-york)
QuoteCastillo bunting: Renteria indicated catcher Welington Castillo bunted on his own in the fifth inning of Game 2 on Wednesday night. With runners on first and second and none out, Castillo laid down a nice sacrifice, but it wasn't what his manager wanted.
"We wanted him to swing the bat," he said.
The Cubs' Nos. 8 and 9 hitters were due up, as Kalish subsequently struck out and Barney flew out. Renteria has used the bunt often so far this season, so maybe Castillo thought it was the right move. It wasn't.
Gee, Rick, I wonder where he could have gotten the idea.
Why would Castillo sacrifice on his own? Isn't that the type of thing a manager always calls for? Are the players so stupid that they need a "don't bunt" sign?
Whether Renteria called for it or not, Castillo's bunt made sense in that situation. Behind by one run, runners on first and second with no outs. It was legitimate. Even the Cubs could score at least a run at that point. Right?
Well, not this team it seems, but unless I'm reading this wrong, (and I wasn't watching so I don't know the situation, who was on deck, etc) a successful bunt increases the likelihood of a run by 5%
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Upyw125Pf8g/UV34YoxrC3I/AAAAAAAAAuM/E1WG1nhruV4/s640/Tango+2.jpg)
Though it does decrease the expected runs scored in that inning by 0.12:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tQeASKZb9qQ/UV34YojCMNI/AAAAAAAAAuU/Td9p-Sc0cCQ/s640/Tango+1.jpg)
Baseball Prospectus (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/sortable/index.php?cid=1405164) doesn't have a (quick) way of posting it in here, but change in RE for each situation holds true in 2013 as it does in that data from 1993-2010
EDIT to not be lazy
| # LVL YEAR RUNNERS RE-0 Outs RE-1 Out RE-2 Outs |
| 1. MLB 2013 000 0.4672 0.2489 0.0918 |
| 2. MLB 2013 003 1.2833 0.8939 0.3527 |
| 3. MLB 2013 020 1.0499 0.637 0.3054 |
| 4. MLB 2013 023 1.866 1.282 0.5663 |
| 5. MLB 2013 100 0.8262 0.4934 0.2064 |
| 6. MLB 2013 103 1.6423 1.1384 0.4673 |
| 7. MLB 2013 120 1.4089 0.8815 0.42 |
| 8. MLB 2013 123 2.225 1.5265 0.6809 |
Quote from: Tonker on April 17, 2014, 12:31:26 PM
Quote from: Bort on April 17, 2014, 12:07:46 PM
*puts feet up*
This is where not giving a damn pays off in spades.
You're reading this thread, ain't ya?
It's mostly schadenfreude at this point.
Quote from: ChuckD on April 17, 2014, 12:02:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 17, 2014, 11:42:48 AM
Maybe Theo doesn't care that much at this point. Even the craziest Renteria bunt habits aren't likely to cost the Cubs more than a win or two during the season, and there's no real difference between 65 and 67 wins. In fact, Theo probably prefers to win 65 games to 67.
Ergo, Theo hired Renteria BECAUSE of his bunting tendencies.
#falseflag
The Cubes had the second fewest situations where a hitter showed bunt last year. They're up to second most this year (three behind the Twins). I don't think it matters that much. But, there's really no reason for Rizzo to be bunting. That's indefensible.
Didn't he cause them to stop shifting so much though? I know you don't want to take the extra base potential away from your biggest hitter, but if you take the single every so often and they stop shifting doesn't that help in the long run? I guess they probably have math stuff to figure this out.
Quote from: Tony on April 17, 2014, 02:16:58 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 17, 2014, 12:02:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 17, 2014, 11:42:48 AM
Maybe Theo doesn't care that much at this point. Even the craziest Renteria bunt habits aren't likely to cost the Cubs more than a win or two during the season, and there's no real difference between 65 and 67 wins. In fact, Theo probably prefers to win 65 games to 67.
Ergo, Theo hired Renteria BECAUSE of his bunting tendencies.
#falseflag
The Cubes had the second fewest situations where a hitter showed bunt last year. They're up to second most this year (three behind the Twins). I don't think it matters that much. But, there's really no reason for Rizzo to be bunting. That's indefensible.
Didn't he cause them to stop shifting so much though? I know you don't want to take the extra base potential away from your biggest hitter, but if you take the single every so often and they stop shifting doesn't that help in the long run? I guess they probably have math stuff to figure this out.
It was the 7th inning of a 3-run game, with the current pitcher on his last inning. At that point, I think trying to SCORE SOME FUCKING RUNS is more important than looking at trying to end the shift for (at most) 1 more AB.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 17, 2014, 02:57:07 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 17, 2014, 02:16:58 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 17, 2014, 12:02:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 17, 2014, 11:42:48 AM
Maybe Theo doesn't care that much at this point. Even the craziest Renteria bunt habits aren't likely to cost the Cubs more than a win or two during the season, and there's no real difference between 65 and 67 wins. In fact, Theo probably prefers to win 65 games to 67.
Ergo, Theo hired Renteria BECAUSE of his bunting tendencies.
#falseflag
The Cubes had the second fewest situations where a hitter showed bunt last year. They're up to second most this year (three behind the Twins). I don't think it matters that much. But, there's really no reason for Rizzo to be bunting. That's indefensible.
Didn't he cause them to stop shifting so much though? I know you don't want to take the extra base potential away from your biggest hitter, but if you take the single every so often and they stop shifting doesn't that help in the long run? I guess they probably have math stuff to figure this out.
It was the 7th inning of a 3-run game, with the current pitcher on his last inning. At that point, I think trying to SCORE SOME FUCKING RUNS is more important than looking at trying to end the shift for (at most) 1 more AB.
Exactly. And the shift isn't going anywhere unless Rizzo starts successfully bunting for singles in the vast majority of his plate appearances.
Frankly, I think it is silly to do any kind of analysis of a Cub game. All analysis can be boiled down to four words. They are the Cubs.
Quote from: Eli on April 17, 2014, 03:07:49 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 17, 2014, 02:57:07 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 17, 2014, 02:16:58 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 17, 2014, 12:02:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 17, 2014, 11:42:48 AM
Maybe Theo doesn't care that much at this point. Even the craziest Renteria bunt habits aren't likely to cost the Cubs more than a win or two during the season, and there's no real difference between 65 and 67 wins. In fact, Theo probably prefers to win 65 games to 67.
Ergo, Theo hired Renteria BECAUSE of his bunting tendencies.
#falseflag
The Cubes had the second fewest situations where a hitter showed bunt last year. They're up to second most this year (three behind the Twins). I don't think it matters that much. But, there's really no reason for Rizzo to be bunting. That's indefensible.
Didn't he cause them to stop shifting so much though? I know you don't want to take the extra base potential away from your biggest hitter, but if you take the single every so often and they stop shifting doesn't that help in the long run? I guess they probably have math stuff to figure this out.
It was the 7th inning of a 3-run game, with the current pitcher on his last inning. At that point, I think trying to SCORE SOME FUCKING RUNS is more important than looking at trying to end the shift for (at most) 1 more AB.
Exactly. And the shift isn't going anywhere unless Rizzo starts successfully bunting for singles in the vast majority of his plate appearances.
I think these belong on BCB.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 17, 2014, 03:49:02 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 17, 2014, 03:07:49 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 17, 2014, 02:57:07 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 17, 2014, 02:16:58 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 17, 2014, 12:02:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 17, 2014, 11:42:48 AM
Maybe Theo doesn't care that much at this point. Even the craziest Renteria bunt habits aren't likely to cost the Cubs more than a win or two during the season, and there's no real difference between 65 and 67 wins. In fact, Theo probably prefers to win 65 games to 67.
Ergo, Theo hired Renteria BECAUSE of his bunting tendencies.
#falseflag
The Cubes had the second fewest situations where a hitter showed bunt last year. They're up to second most this year (three behind the Twins). I don't think it matters that much. But, there's really no reason for Rizzo to be bunting. That's indefensible.
Didn't he cause them to stop shifting so much though? I know you don't want to take the extra base potential away from your biggest hitter, but if you take the single every so often and they stop shifting doesn't that help in the long run? I guess they probably have math stuff to figure this out.
It was the 7th inning of a 3-run game, with the current pitcher on his last inning. At that point, I think trying to SCORE SOME FUCKING RUNS is more important than looking at trying to end the shift for (at most) 1 more AB.
Exactly. And the shift isn't going anywhere unless Rizzo starts successfully bunting for singles in the vast majority of his plate appearances.
I think these belong on BCB.
They are the Cubs.
Quote from: Eli on April 17, 2014, 03:07:49 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 17, 2014, 02:57:07 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 17, 2014, 02:16:58 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 17, 2014, 12:02:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 17, 2014, 11:42:48 AM
Maybe Theo doesn't care that much at this point. Even the craziest Renteria bunt habits aren't likely to cost the Cubs more than a win or two during the season, and there's no real difference between 65 and 67 wins. In fact, Theo probably prefers to win 65 games to 67.
Ergo, Theo hired Renteria BECAUSE of his bunting tendencies.
#falseflag
The Cubes had the second fewest situations where a hitter showed bunt last year. They're up to second most this year (three behind the Twins). I don't think it matters that much. But, there's really no reason for Rizzo to be bunting. That's indefensible.
Didn't he cause them to stop shifting so much though? I know you don't want to take the extra base potential away from your biggest hitter, but if you take the single every so often and they stop shifting doesn't that help in the long run? I guess they probably have math stuff to figure this out.
It was the 7th inning of a 3-run game, with the current pitcher on his last inning. At that point, I think trying to SCORE SOME FUCKING RUNS is more important than looking at trying to end the shift for (at most) 1 more AB.
Exactly. And the shift isn't going anywhere unless Rizzo starts successfully bunting for singles in the vast majority of his plate appearances.
Ohhhhh.... I didn't see it and didn't know the context. I just heard Len say something about how Jeter was playing over at third in his ABs after it happened.
Go Cubes.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 21, 2014, 10:06:50 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 17, 2014, 04:31:24 PM
Go Cubes.
And score some fucking runs.
You say it like it wouldn't harm their draft position which is the surest way to put players into the pipeline who would make the fucking run scoring sustainable.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 21, 2014, 10:10:02 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 21, 2014, 10:06:50 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 17, 2014, 04:31:24 PM
Go Cubes.
And score some fucking runs.
You say it like it wouldn't harm their draft position which is the surest way to put players into the pipeline who would make the fucking run scoring sustainable.
Score some fucking runs but lose every game 9-8?
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 21, 2014, 10:18:02 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 21, 2014, 10:10:02 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 21, 2014, 10:06:50 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 17, 2014, 04:31:24 PM
Go Cubes.
And score some fucking runs.
You say it like it wouldn't harm their draft position which is the surest way to put players into the pipeline who would make the fucking run scoring sustainable.
Score some fucking runs but lose every game 9-8?
Solid idea.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 21, 2014, 10:18:02 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 21, 2014, 10:10:02 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 21, 2014, 10:06:50 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 17, 2014, 04:31:24 PM
Go Cubes.
And score some fucking runs.
You say it like it wouldn't harm their draft position which is the surest way to put players into the pipeline who would make the fucking run scoring sustainable.
Score some fucking runs but lose every game 9-8?
Not until after Jepstink gets prospects for Snork, Hammel and Rondon.
This weekend I watched my 6 year old grandson's T-ball team. Every ball hit off the T went towards the second baseman, through his legs to the right fielder, who was playing on the edge of the outfield grass. When the right fielder, with the assistance of the centerfielder, managed to pick up the ball, which by that time was lying still, he automatically threw it toward the pitcher, who eventually picked it up off the dirt. That was ok since the runners never attempted to take an extra base. Put outs were rare, sometimes accidental, and when the team at bat had batted around, the half inning would be declared over and the teams changed places. The rules had been changed to accommodate the skills of the players. You know where this post is going. I think that the time has come to consider petitioning for a rule change for the Cubs. Since they can't score runs even when they have two runners in scoring position with no outs (Really. There was as occasion this season when they had two runners on base at the same time with no outs) I propose a Cubs rule change that gives them at least one additional out per inning.
Bullpen looked great, defense looked like shit, and Jorge Soler looked like he never been in such cold conditions in his life.
Still, score some fucking runs.
Quote from: Brownie on April 05, 2015, 11:22:48 PM
Bullpen looked great, defense looked like shit, and Jorge Soler looked like he never been in such cold conditions in his life.
Still, score some fucking runs.
0 for 13 with RISP. Score some fucking runs.
(One of the first 0's of that 13 was when Anthony Rizzo walked against Adam Wainwright, but somehow the fourth ball was called a strike.)
Jorge did look a little chilly.
BUMP
Quote from: SKO on April 08, 2015, 02:33:02 PM
BUMP
Soler needs to get his head in the game. Tripling instead of homering? Showoff.
If they get shut out today, the Bryant MeatRoar is going to be deafening.
Score some fucking runs, please.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 08, 2015, 02:46:32 PM
If they get shut out today, the Bryant MeatRoar is going to be deafening.
Score some fucking runs, please.
16 innings and counting.
They had a chance after the Soler triple and didn't get squat, although it sounds* like Lynn was pitching Castro really tough.
*I'm listening and not watching...
Thank you.
The black hole of suck that is the 5-9 hitters in this lineup is tempting me to go full meatball and scream for Kris Bryant. Christ.
Quote from: SKO on April 10, 2015, 05:40:13 PM
The black hole of suck that is the 5-9 hitters in this lineup is tempting me to go full meatball and scream for Kris Bryant. Christ.
How about quit thinking you're a lawyer-serial animal adopter-significant BAC numbers expert, and bat the pitcher 9th?
Bump. Just 3 runs in their last 29 innings
Quote from: SKO on May 02, 2015, 03:50:09 PM
Bump. Just 3 runs in their last 29 innings
31 innings now. Along with 46 strikeouts.
Quote from: Eli on May 02, 2015, 04:31:35 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 02, 2015, 03:50:09 PM
Bump. Just 3 runs in their last 29 innings
31 innings now. Along with 46 strikeouts.
Yeah, pretty sure Coughlin and Montero being tied with Rizzo for the team lead in HR won't continue being a thing.
Nothing is fucked here.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 04, 2015, 08:05:18 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 02, 2015, 04:31:35 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 02, 2015, 03:50:09 PM
Bump. Just 3 runs in their last 29 innings
31 innings now. Along with 46 strikeouts.
Yeah, pretty sure Coughlin and Montero being tied with Rizzo for the team lead in HR won't continue being a thing.
Nothing is fucked here.
We've watched enough baseball throughout the years to understand that teams and players cycle through good and bad periods. Most everybody on the team go off to a good start at the same time and then a number of guys struggled at the same time--most notably Soler, but also Bryant and Castro.
Can't speak for Bryant (though he's probably due to start hitting some dingers) but I'm fairly confident Soler's breaking out of his funk. Castro won't stay in a slump much longer either. Perfect timing, too, since they're headed to St. Louis to face a team that is conversely due to cool off. Cubs will do no worse than a split, but I'm predicting they take 3.
*sips Kool-Aid*
Hey what if we just never complained about anything ever?
Things are great, sports don't generate negative emotions, however temporary or seemingly unwarranted in the long term. The stoic PANK knows this better than most.
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 08:18:05 AM
Hey what if we just never complained about anything ever?
Things are great, sports don't generate negative emotions, however temporary or seemingly unwarranted in the long term. The stoic PANK knows this better than most.
Oh I have plenty of things to complain about. For example right now Chris Coghlan's frosting my ass. That fuckhead better start hitting or he'll be done for good in this league.
The team's lack of offensive production of late, however frustrating it is (and it is frustrating, I'm not going to pretend it isn't), does not greatly concern me in the long run. They'll cycle out of it and have more good stretches than bad.
Quote from: PANK! on May 04, 2015, 08:24:52 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 08:18:05 AM
Hey what if we just never complained about anything ever?
Things are great, sports don't generate negative emotions, however temporary or seemingly unwarranted in the long term. The stoic PANK knows this better than most.
Oh I have plenty of things to complain about. For example right now Chris Coghlan's frosting my ass. That fuckhead better start hitting or he'll be done for good in this league.
The team's lack of offensive production of late, however frustrating it is (and it is frustrating, I'm not going to pretend it isn't), does not greatly concern me in the long run. They'll cycle out of it and have more good stretches than bad.
Is this the same Chris Coughlan who is currently tied for the team lead in HR, or another one?
(not a meatball)
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 04, 2015, 08:51:40 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 04, 2015, 08:24:52 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 08:18:05 AM
Hey what if we just never complained about anything ever?
Things are great, sports don't generate negative emotions, however temporary or seemingly unwarranted in the long term. The stoic PANK knows this better than most.
Oh I have plenty of things to complain about. For example right now Chris Coghlan's frosting my ass. That fuckhead better start hitting or he'll be done for good in this league.
The team's lack of offensive production of late, however frustrating it is (and it is frustrating, I'm not going to pretend it isn't), does not greatly concern me in the long run. They'll cycle out of it and have more good stretches than bad.
Is this the same Chris Coughlan who is currently tied for the team lead in HR, or another one?
(not a meatball)
I heard Len say his BABIP is .212 or so during his current slump. He's been hitting balls hard of late. He's still Chris Coghlan enough for me.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 04, 2015, 08:51:40 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 04, 2015, 08:24:52 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 08:18:05 AM
Hey what if we just never complained about anything ever?
Things are great, sports don't generate negative emotions, however temporary or seemingly unwarranted in the long term. The stoic PANK knows this better than most.
Oh I have plenty of things to complain about. For example right now Chris Coghlan's frosting my ass. That fuckhead better start hitting or he'll be done for good in this league.
The team's lack of offensive production of late, however frustrating it is (and it is frustrating, I'm not going to pretend it isn't), does not greatly concern me in the long run. They'll cycle out of it and have more good stretches than bad.
Is this the same Chris Coughlan who is currently tied for the team lead in HR, or another one?
(not a meatball)
Being tied for the paltry team lead of 3 home runs is not enough to outweigh him being shitty at literally everything else. I ain't firebarnin' him yet because the team needs him and I have some hope he might start hitting again, but Huey ain't wrong to have his ass chapped.
The Cubes are striking out a lot.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 04, 2015, 08:51:40 AM
Is this the same Chris Coughlan who is currently tied for the team lead in HR, or another one?
What a weird criteria. He has a .212/.268/.409 line. He's been bad.
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 09:55:24 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 04, 2015, 08:51:40 AM
Is this the same Chris Coughlan who is currently tied for the team lead in HR, or another one?
What a weird criteria. He has a .212/.268/.409 line. He's been bad.
Well and given his defense in left he has to be flat out good offensively to justify his spot. Whereas the young guys are developing and can be excused their scuffles, and you at least get good defense behind the plate from Montero or (gulp) even David Ross, Coghlan is a huge liability any time he isn't hitting. So hit, asshole.
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 09:58:37 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 09:55:24 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 04, 2015, 08:51:40 AM
Is this the same Chris Coughlan who is currently tied for the team lead in HR, or another one?
What a weird criteria. He has a .212/.268/.409 line. He's been bad.
Well and given his defense in left he has to be flat out good offensively to justify his spot. Whereas the young guys are developing and can be excused their scuffles, and you at least get good defense behind the plate from Montero or (gulp) even David Ross, Coghlan is a huge liability any time he isn't hitting. So hit, asshole.
I can deal with Coghlan for a few months until Baez comes back and Bryant is the new full time LF.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 04, 2015, 10:04:26 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 09:58:37 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 09:55:24 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 04, 2015, 08:51:40 AM
Is this the same Chris Coughlan who is currently tied for the team lead in HR, or another one?
What a weird criteria. He has a .212/.268/.409 line. He's been bad.
Well and given his defense in left he has to be flat out good offensively to justify his spot. Whereas the young guys are developing and can be excused their scuffles, and you at least get good defense behind the plate from Montero or (gulp) even David Ross, Coghlan is a huge liability any time he isn't hitting. So hit, asshole.
I can deal with Coghlan for a few months until Baez comes back and Bryant is the new full time LF.
Why?
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 10:07:09 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 04, 2015, 10:04:26 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 09:58:37 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 09:55:24 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 04, 2015, 08:51:40 AM
Is this the same Chris Coughlan who is currently tied for the team lead in HR, or another one?
What a weird criteria. He has a .212/.268/.409 line. He's been bad.
Well and given his defense in left he has to be flat out good offensively to justify his spot. Whereas the young guys are developing and can be excused their scuffles, and you at least get good defense behind the plate from Montero or (gulp) even David Ross, Coghlan is a huge liability any time he isn't hitting. So hit, asshole.
I can deal with Coghlan for a few months until Baez comes back and Bryant is the new full time LF.
Why?
Yeah the way he's hitting right now there's no reason not to try Denorfia/Lake/Seizure as stop gaps unless Coghlan warms up. They owe him nothing.
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 10:07:09 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 04, 2015, 10:04:26 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 09:58:37 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 09:55:24 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 04, 2015, 08:51:40 AM
Is this the same Chris Coughlan who is currently tied for the team lead in HR, or another one?
What a weird criteria. He has a .212/.268/.409 line. He's been bad.
Well and given his defense in left he has to be flat out good offensively to justify his spot. Whereas the young guys are developing and can be excused their scuffles, and you at least get good defense behind the plate from Montero or (gulp) even David Ross, Coghlan is a huge liability any time he isn't hitting. So hit, asshole.
I can deal with Coghlan for a few months until Baez comes back and Bryant is the new full time LF.
Why?
Because currently I'm not the GM of the Cubs and I can't make any changes myself? I don't know, Eli, befuckingcause.
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 09:58:37 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 09:55:24 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 04, 2015, 08:51:40 AM
Is this the same Chris Coughlan who is currently tied for the team lead in HR, or another one?
What a weird criteria. He has a .212/.268/.409 line. He's been bad.
Well and given his defense in left he has to be flat out good offensively to justify his spot. Whereas the young guys are developing and can be excused their scuffles, and you at least get good defense behind the plate from Montero or (gulp) even David Ross, Coghlan is a huge liability any time he isn't hitting. So hit, asshole.
I know I'm opening myself up to accusations of bullshit toleration, and I also know that you'll tell me that baseball discussion is why we all come here... but on the other hand, the Cubs are not shitty for the first time in six years, and the front office has a clear plan to win the World Series within a couple of years - a plan that involves having Coghlan in LF for the time being. So bearing in that in mind, you might want to try lightening up a bit and actually enjoying some baseball instead of constantly pissing and moaning about Ross, Schlitter, Coghlan and the Cubs' other weak links. I don't know, it's just a suggestion. Perhaps you like being miserable, in which case: crack on.
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 10:07:09 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 04, 2015, 10:04:26 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 09:58:37 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 09:55:24 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 04, 2015, 08:51:40 AM
Is this the same Chris Coughlan who is currently tied for the team lead in HR, or another one?
What a weird criteria. He has a .212/.268/.409 line. He's been bad.
Well and given his defense in left he has to be flat out good offensively to justify his spot. Whereas the young guys are developing and can be excused their scuffles, and you at least get good defense behind the plate from Montero or (gulp) even David Ross, Coghlan is a huge liability any time he isn't hitting. So hit, asshole.
I can deal with Coghlan for a few months until Baez comes back and Bryant is the new full time LF.
Why?
Because the Win Window is longer than just 2015. Sheesh. Coghlan will not be the LF when this team wins. It will be Bryant, Schwarber, or someone else. In the mean time, they are still +3 on the Wild Card with Bryant OPSing under .600 the last 10 games.
But fuck Chris Coghlan. HEEZ PREVENTIN US FROM WINNING RITE NOW!!!
Oh boy.
Jesus fucking Christ, people. What a bunch of pollyanna bullshit. When did we all become Al?
We know the fucking long term plan, that's great. But welcome back to seasons that matter, where losses matter and they suck. Sure, we all hope 2015 is just the beginning of the window but hey it would still be nice if they want to make the fucking playoffs this year, and part of making the playoffs this year would be to try a different fucking piece off of the scrap heap in left instead of Chris Coghlan if Chris Coghlan is hurting you right now.
What was there to fucking enjoy about Cubs baseball this weekend, Tonk? It sucked. Believe it or not, losses suck! It's okay to bitch about losses and speculate about ways Joe could tinker with things right now to win in the short term AND understand that someday, Kyle Schwarber might be out there hitting dongs in left field.
Seriously, if this season and every season of the Grand Theo Era is gonna be "golly mister there's a plan so why worry about dropping winnable series at home or possibly trying to get more short term production out of left? Our window is open for years!" then fuck right off.
I mean when I come in here wanting to firebarn Kris Bryant for hitting .170 for ten games or whatever as he figures out big league pitching, feel fucking free to throw the plan in my face. But if I say "hey why not try another left fielder instead of Chris Coghlan for a little while precisely becuase Chris Coghlan is not part of the fucking plan I think that's just well within the realm of bitching about "scoring some fucking runs" in the "score some fucking runs" thread.
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 10:37:29 AM
Jesus fucking Christ, people. What a bunch of pollyanna bullshit. When did we all become Al?
Understanding that this team is starting 3 rookies, one of whom is the youngest in the league, all three of whom are struggling to some level right now (and probably will at various points all year) and not being upset about Chris Coghlan is not being "Al."
If a Cubs team with Damian Miller and Alex Gonzalez can almost win a pennant, I'll worry nothing about Coghlan if Soler, Bryant and Russell all OPS+ 120 or better. That's where the smart fan's focus is: Soler (107), Bryant (123) and Russell (64).
Not Chris Coghlan (86).
I just think Coughlan is kind of a weird line to draw. He's out there doing Chris Coughlan stuff. Last year's lightning-in-a-bottle notwithstanding, an 86+ OPS is really all you can reasonably expect out of him.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 04, 2015, 10:51:23 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 10:37:29 AM
Jesus fucking Christ, people. What a bunch of pollyanna bullshit. When did we all become Al?
Understanding that this team is starting 3 rookies, one of whom is the youngest in the league, all three of whom are struggling to some level right now (and probably will at various points all year) and not being upset about Chris Coghlan is not being "Al."
If a Cubs team with Damian Miller and Alex Gonzalez can almost win a pennant, I'll worry nothing about Coghlan if Soler, Bryant and Russell all OPS+ 120 or better. That's where the smart fan's focus is: Soler (107), Bryant (123) and Russell (64).
Not Chris Coghlan (86).
Chuck is right. Nice work, SKO. Take the rest of the day off.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 04, 2015, 10:51:23 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 10:37:29 AM
Jesus fucking Christ, people. What a bunch of pollyanna bullshit. When did we all become Al?
Understanding that this team is starting 3 rookies, one of who is the youngest in the league, all three of whom are struggling to some level right now (and probably will at various points all year) and not being upset about Chris Coghlan is not being "Al."
If a Cubs team with Damian Miller and Alex Gonzalez can almost win a pennant, I'll worry nothing about Coghlan if Soler, Bryant and Russell all OPS+ 120 or better. That's where the smart fan's focus is: Soler (107), Bryant (123) and Russell (64).
Not Chris Coghlan (86).
Oh this is some wonderful bullshit. Yes, because I think "maybe try another left fielder other than Coghlan" I'm somehow not focused on the rookies? Notice how the rookies have been spared from any ire?
Saying "this is all you should expect out of Coghlan" is exactly why there's no reason not to try Denorfia or Seizure or Lake even for a couple of games. Over the long run you'll probably end up giving Coghlan the majority of starts in LF and hopefully he snaps out of his funk but the fact is, in the short term, while you are trying to work around the growing pains of your rookies there's no reason NOT to try to find a short-term hot hand to play in left field if Coghlan continues to slump.
You are all making my point. Coghlan sucks, was probably gonna suck, and he means nothing to the long term future of the team, so why not try some other scrubs and see if one of THEM gets hot for a few days, helps you win some ballgames, and then go back to Coghlan later if needed.
I don't think you need to be shouted down as some kind of heretic of The Plan for saying "hey maybe throw some shit at the wall" in left instead of throwing the shit that is Coghlan out there for a week.
Like, seriously, would anyone object to the statement "maybe try using Germen instead of Schlitter for a few days to see if German can do better" with "YEAH BUT CJ EDWARDS IS COMING SOON WHO CAREZ?"
It's baseball. Of course there's a long term and a short term, in the short term, why not move around the flotsam on the roster to see if some of them will stink less for a couple days?
I'm genuinely baffled that people aren't interested in a hypothetical discussion about how the Cubs could improve a clear weakness. Their window of competition or how old his fellow starters are or Damian Miller's previous existence shouldn't have much to do with it.
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 10:56:10 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 04, 2015, 10:51:23 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 10:37:29 AM
Jesus fucking Christ, people. What a bunch of pollyanna bullshit. When did we all become Al?
Understanding that this team is starting 3 rookies, one of who is the youngest in the league, all three of whom are struggling to some level right now (and probably will at various points all year) and not being upset about Chris Coghlan is not being "Al."
If a Cubs team with Damian Miller and Alex Gonzalez can almost win a pennant, I'll worry nothing about Coghlan if Soler, Bryant and Russell all OPS+ 120 or better. That's where the smart fan's focus is: Soler (107), Bryant (123) and Russell (64).
Not Chris Coghlan (86).
Oh this is some wonderful bullshit. Yes, because I think "maybe try another left fielder other than Coghlan" I'm somehow not focused on the rookies? Notice how the rookies have been spared from any ire?
Saying "this is all you should expect out of Coghlan" is exactly why there's no reason not to try Denorfia or Seizure or Lake even for a couple of games. Over the long run you'll probably end up giving Coghlan the majority of starts in LF and hopefully he snaps out of his funk but the fact is, in the short term, while you are trying to work around the growing pains of your rookies there's no reason NOT to try to find a short-term hot hand to play in left field if Coghlan continues to slump.
You are all making my point. Coghlan sucks, was probably gonna suck, and he means nothing to the long term future of the team, so why not try some other scrubs and see if one of THEM gets hot for a few days, helps you win some ballgames, and then go back to Coghlan later if needed.
I don't think you need to be shouted down as some kind of heretic of The Plan for saying "hey maybe throw some shit at the wall" in left instead of throwing the shit that is Coghlan out there for a week.
Mate, you really need to calm down a bit. I don't know what's gone wrong in your life to make you so angry all the time, but whatever it is, the Cubs won't fix it for you, even with Michael Brantley in Left Field.
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 11:02:42 AM
I'm genuinely baffled that people aren't interested in a hypothetical discussion about how the Cubs could improve a clear weakness. Their window of competition or how old his fellow starters are or Damian Miller's previous existence shouldn't have much to do with it.
I'm always interested in a discussion. What I find wearing is SKO's constant ANGER.
Quote from: Tonker on May 04, 2015, 11:03:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 10:56:10 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 04, 2015, 10:51:23 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 10:37:29 AM
Jesus fucking Christ, people. What a bunch of pollyanna bullshit. When did we all become Al?
Understanding that this team is starting 3 rookies, one of who is the youngest in the league, all three of whom are struggling to some level right now (and probably will at various points all year) and not being upset about Chris Coghlan is not being "Al."
If a Cubs team with Damian Miller and Alex Gonzalez can almost win a pennant, I'll worry nothing about Coghlan if Soler, Bryant and Russell all OPS+ 120 or better. That's where the smart fan's focus is: Soler (107), Bryant (123) and Russell (64).
Not Chris Coghlan (86).
Oh this is some wonderful bullshit. Yes, because I think "maybe try another left fielder other than Coghlan" I'm somehow not focused on the rookies? Notice how the rookies have been spared from any ire?
Saying "this is all you should expect out of Coghlan" is exactly why there's no reason not to try Denorfia or Seizure or Lake even for a couple of games. Over the long run you'll probably end up giving Coghlan the majority of starts in LF and hopefully he snaps out of his funk but the fact is, in the short term, while you are trying to work around the growing pains of your rookies there's no reason NOT to try to find a short-term hot hand to play in left field if Coghlan continues to slump.
You are all making my point. Coghlan sucks, was probably gonna suck, and he means nothing to the long term future of the team, so why not try some other scrubs and see if one of THEM gets hot for a few days, helps you win some ballgames, and then go back to Coghlan later if needed.
I don't think you need to be shouted down as some kind of heretic of The Plan for saying "hey maybe throw some shit at the wall" in left instead of throwing the shit that is Coghlan out there for a week.
Mate, you really need to calm down a bit. I don't know what's gone wrong in your life to make you so angry all the time, but whatever it is, the Cubs won't fix it for you, even with Michael Brantley in Left Field.
I use hyperbole on the internet because it's the internet but really, what Eli said.
Chris Coghlan is bad, and he means nothing to this franchise, so if he is sucking and maybe someone else might suck less, even for one mid-May series in St. Louis, you should try that.
It's not heretical or short-sighted to complain that they should try to slap together some quick fixes on this team wherever ones may be available, while understanding that we just have to ride out the growing pains of Bryant/Soler/Russell.
I'm enjoying this "discussion" if only because it beats nothing to pore over.
Hell, since we wanna use Damian Miller or whatever as an example, here's something similar:
In 2008 the Cubs had a team ready to contend, and they had a young center fielder in Felix Pie ready to take over, and they had some other veteran stopgaps trying to get production there as well. When Pie was struggling and clearly needed more seasoning in the minors (and ended up just being bad) and Johnson was only useful vs. lefties, they went out and got Edmonds and managed to get good production from that spot for the rest of the year at basically no cost to the franchise or it's long term plan.
What I'm sayings is if this team is gonna be floating around the wildcard spot all year, marginal wins are extremely important (and windows be damned, this team should absolutely be trying to make the playoffs this year at the cost of anything but sacrificing their long-term future), and guys like Chris Coghlan can cost you some of those, so try things if you can to find your Jim Edmonds or whatever.
But saying there's no point in bitching about guys like Coghlan or Ross or Schlitter or whoever because someday they'll be replaced by bright shiny new toys (who also might suck), is so missing the point of watching sports that it's ridiculous.
Sure, I overreact, but man, if we're gonna stifle all bitching for years because of The Plan, we might as well shutter this place.
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 10:56:10 AM
Saying "this is all you should expect out of Coghlan" is exactly why there's no reason not to try Denorfia or Seizure or Lake even for a couple of games.
Why not Rafael Furcal? I'm down for that.
FYI, Al was itching for the Cubs to sign Furcal 2 years ago over promoting Lake
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 04, 2015, 11:15:39 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 10:56:10 AM
Saying "this is all you should expect out of Coghlan" is exactly why there's no reason not to try Denorfia or Seizure or Lake even for a couple of games.
Why not Rafael Furcal? I'm down for that.
Uh..okay? I mean I'd rather they just try throwing Lake out there for a few days. If that guy really has figured out anything resembling plate discipline he offers a heck of a lot more than Chris Coghlan does in terms of skillset, not the least of which is that he presumably plays left field in a less Glenallen-y fashion.
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 11:10:32 AM
What I'm sayings is if this team is gonna be floating around the wildcard spot all year, marginal wins are extremely important ...
This. They're projected as an 86-win team right now, which seems about right. An extra win or two can be hugely important when you're that kind of team.
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 11:22:52 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 11:10:32 AM
What I'm sayings is if this team is gonna be floating around the wildcard spot all year, marginal wins are extremely important ...
This. They're projected as an 86-win team right now, which seems about right. An extra win or two can be hugely important when you're that kind of team.
Yep, and I don't want to hear "this is just year one of the window!" in that case because if Kris Bryant goes out and breaks his kneecap sliding into the sidewall in Busch Stadium on April 20th next year that window gets smaller. Try to make the playoffs when you can, however you can, so long as you're not giving up long term assets. If one of those methods is "try someone who isn't Chris Coghlan for a couple days", try it. That's all I'm asking.
That, and don't tell me not to want guys like Chris Coghlan and Brian Schlitter shot into the sun. This is America, after all.
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 11:22:52 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 11:10:32 AM
What I'm sayings is if this team is gonna be floating around the wildcard spot all year, marginal wins are extremely important ...
This. They're projected as an 86-win team right now, which seems about right. An extra win or two can be hugely important when you're that kind of team.
So, who is the guy the Cubs have/can get who is +2.0 WACC?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 04, 2015, 11:26:01 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 11:22:52 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 11:10:32 AM
What I'm sayings is if this team is gonna be floating around the wildcard spot all year, marginal wins are extremely important ...
This. They're projected as an 86-win team right now, which seems about right. An extra win or two can be hugely important when you're that kind of team.
So, who is the guy the Cubs have/can get who is +2.0 WACC?
Your mistake is thinking of wins solely in terms of player production. In the short term, wins can be total flukes caused by one guy having an abnormal hot streak, or one shitty reliever having the best week of his life.
In Joe Maddon's case, understanding that Russell/Soler/Bryant/Rizzo/Castro have to be out there every day and you have to weather their ups and downs, it doesn't hurt to try and move around the Coghlans and Denorfias and Castillos of the world till you find one that might help you win a ballgame or two right in the here and now.
To answer Chuck's question, I think one possible fit could be Zobrist. He obviously has a much better history than Coghlan despite his struggles so far this year. Even if he doesn't hit much, his defense alone in left field is probably almost enough to be 2 wins ahead of Coghlan for the year.
Plus, the trade cost of, say, 90-100 games of Zobrist isn't going to mortgage the Cubs' future. Given his history with Maddon, I think it makes a lot of sense if the A's are still scuffling along in a month or so.
Edit: Just saw he has a knee procedure and will miss a few weeks. Even better! He'll be cheaper now.
Are the people spelling it "Coughlan" doing a bit of some sort?
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 11:28:26 AM
Your mistake is thinking of wins solely in terms of player production. In the short term, wins can be total flukes caused by one guy having an abnormal hot streak, or one shitty reliever having the best week of his life.
Don't worry about production so long as a player can get lucky and produce over a very short term.
Got it.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 04, 2015, 10:52:35 AM
I just think Coughlan is kind of a weird line to draw. He's out there doing Chris Coughlan stuff. Last year's lightning-in-a-bottle notwithstanding, an 86+ OPS is really all you can reasonably expect out of him.
This is where I'm coming from. I'm not attached to him at all. So if you want to try Lake or Szczur or whomever out there, you kind of still know you are going to get those guys doing Junior Lake things or Matt Szczur things and is that really going to satiate you from Chris Coghlan doing Chris Coghlan things?
I mean, he has 15 K in 72 PA's...he's drawn just 5 BB, but still. 15 K isn't that bad at all right? His BABiP is .229 on the season and he's a career .318 BABiP player...last season his BABiP was .337. I just feel like he's making contact and getting out. LD% at 27% and his K rate is elevated a bit for him at 20.8% and he's a -0.1 WAR player right now.
I don't hate the idea of trying someone new, but it only seems short term...and of course, if that gets the Cubs one or two more wins over Coghlan, great. But I also don't know that the real answer is anything but Bryant when Baez comes back. That changes the lineup big time.
I think Soler's and Bryant's recent struggles may magnify Coghlan's a bit too.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 04, 2015, 11:36:07 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 04, 2015, 10:52:35 AM
I just think Coughlan is kind of a weird line to draw. He's out there doing Chris Coughlan stuff. Last year's lightning-in-a-bottle notwithstanding, an 86+ OPS is really all you can reasonably expect out of him.
This is where I'm coming from. I'm not attached to him at all. So if you want to try Lake or Szczur or whomever out there, you kind of still know you are going to get those guys doing Junior Lake things or Matt Szczur things and is that really going to satiate you from Chris Coghlan doing Chris Coghlan things?
I mean, he has 15 K in 72 PA's...he's drawn just 5 BB, but still. 15 K isn't that bad at all right? His BABiP is .229 on the season and he's a career .318 BABiP player...last season his BABiP was .337. I just feel like he's making contact and getting out. LD% at 27% and his K rate is elevated a bit for him at 20.8% and he's a -0.1 WAR player right now.
I don't hate the idea of trying someone new, but it only seems short term...and of course, if that gets the Cubs one or two more wins over Coghlan, great. But I also don't know that the real answer is anything but Bryant when Baez comes back. That changes the lineup big time.
I think Soler's and Bryant's recent struggles may magnify Coghlan's a bit too.
Yes IAN, you're right, their struggles DO magnify his. But you're wedded to them and with good reason. There's a payoff there, eventually. But with Coghlan there's no payoff, so you SHOULD try Lake or whoever there in the short term. Until the day Bryant is the left fielder or whatever you should ONLY think of those guys in left field in the short term. If you think one of them gives you a better chance tonight but the other gives you a better one tomorrow, you try it.
You have to find those marginal wins somewhere, if it's playing Wheel of Fortune with the left field platoon of garbage, you do it.
And again, honestly my biggest annoyance with Coghlan is simply that his defense is so awful he can't afford to slump offensively, which isn't really fair to anybody, I know, but with a team that isn't scoring much having an actual defender in left field like Denorfia is a better idea than Coghlan even if they're BOTH gonna slash .220/.290/.380 or whatever.
Also, since this is an odd year and the Giants won't be in contention, Nori Aoki is another trade candidate. Cheap one-year deal and the prospect cost wouldn't be prohibitive. He doesn't slug at all, but he gets on base and plays solid defense. He could actually fit in really well in the #9 spot in the order.
Another possible upgrade would be Brandon Moss. The Indians are falling back fast and he's another guy on a one-year deal. He's probably as bad as Coghlan in the outfield but is a much more sure thing at the plate. He strikes out a ton though and that might only compound some of the Cubs' issues in that area.
Another option?
Jonny Gomes.
Quote from: Tonker on May 04, 2015, 11:03:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 10:56:10 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 04, 2015, 10:51:23 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 10:37:29 AM
Jesus fucking Christ, people. What a bunch of pollyanna bullshit. When did we all become Al?
Understanding that this team is starting 3 rookies, one of who is the youngest in the league, all three of whom are struggling to some level right now (and probably will at various points all year) and not being upset about Chris Coghlan is not being "Al."
If a Cubs team with Damian Miller and Alex Gonzalez can almost win a pennant, I'll worry nothing about Coghlan if Soler, Bryant and Russell all OPS+ 120 or better. That's where the smart fan's focus is: Soler (107), Bryant (123) and Russell (64).
Not Chris Coghlan (86).
Oh this is some wonderful bullshit. Yes, because I think "maybe try another left fielder other than Coghlan" I'm somehow not focused on the rookies? Notice how the rookies have been spared from any ire?
Saying "this is all you should expect out of Coghlan" is exactly why there's no reason not to try Denorfia or Seizure or Lake even for a couple of games. Over the long run you'll probably end up giving Coghlan the majority of starts in LF and hopefully he snaps out of his funk but the fact is, in the short term, while you are trying to work around the growing pains of your rookies there's no reason NOT to try to find a short-term hot hand to play in left field if Coghlan continues to slump.
You are all making my point. Coghlan sucks, was probably gonna suck, and he means nothing to the long term future of the team, so why not try some other scrubs and see if one of THEM gets hot for a few days, helps you win some ballgames, and then go back to Coghlan later if needed.
I don't think you need to be shouted down as some kind of heretic of The Plan for saying "hey maybe throw some shit at the wall" in left instead of throwing the shit that is Coghlan out there for a week.
Mate, you really need to calm down a bit. I don't know what's gone wrong in your life to make you so angry all the time, but whatever it is, the Cubs won't fix it for you, even with Michael Brantley in Left Field.
My theory is that SKO is a little edgy about becoming a new dad and he's taking it out on Chris Coghlan and his ilk. Some of you guys with a house full of fuck trophies might be able to ease his nerves somewhat. Or you could continue to stick poke him for everybody's amusement.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 04, 2015, 12:17:41 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 04, 2015, 11:03:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 10:56:10 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 04, 2015, 10:51:23 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 10:37:29 AM
Jesus fucking Christ, people. What a bunch of pollyanna bullshit. When did we all become Al?
Understanding that this team is starting 3 rookies, one of who is the youngest in the league, all three of whom are struggling to some level right now (and probably will at various points all year) and not being upset about Chris Coghlan is not being "Al."
If a Cubs team with Damian Miller and Alex Gonzalez can almost win a pennant, I'll worry nothing about Coghlan if Soler, Bryant and Russell all OPS+ 120 or better. That's where the smart fan's focus is: Soler (107), Bryant (123) and Russell (64).
Not Chris Coghlan (86).
Oh this is some wonderful bullshit. Yes, because I think "maybe try another left fielder other than Coghlan" I'm somehow not focused on the rookies? Notice how the rookies have been spared from any ire?
Saying "this is all you should expect out of Coghlan" is exactly why there's no reason not to try Denorfia or Seizure or Lake even for a couple of games. Over the long run you'll probably end up giving Coghlan the majority of starts in LF and hopefully he snaps out of his funk but the fact is, in the short term, while you are trying to work around the growing pains of your rookies there's no reason NOT to try to find a short-term hot hand to play in left field if Coghlan continues to slump.
You are all making my point. Coghlan sucks, was probably gonna suck, and he means nothing to the long term future of the team, so why not try some other scrubs and see if one of THEM gets hot for a few days, helps you win some ballgames, and then go back to Coghlan later if needed.
I don't think you need to be shouted down as some kind of heretic of The Plan for saying "hey maybe throw some shit at the wall" in left instead of throwing the shit that is Coghlan out there for a week.
Mate, you really need to calm down a bit. I don't know what's gone wrong in your life to make you so angry all the time, but whatever it is, the Cubs won't fix it for you, even with Michael Brantley in Left Field.
My theory is that SKO is a little edgy about becoming a new dad and he's taking it out on Chris Coghlan and his ilk. Some of you guys with a house full of fuck trophies might be able to ease his nerves somewhat. Or you could continue to stick poke him for everybody's amusement.
Well there's zero evidence support this. (Yes this is exactly what it is I spent three days sleeping on a shitty cot at a hospital with no kid to show for it and my wife went through two days of pitocin induced contractions and she's understandably a tad upset so sure maybe I'm a little on edge but Chris Coghlan still isn't very good at baseball).
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 04, 2015, 11:35:46 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 11:28:26 AM
Your mistake is thinking of wins solely in terms of player production. In the short term, wins can be total flukes caused by one guy having an abnormal hot streak, or one shitty reliever having the best week of his life.
Don't worry about production so long as a player can get lucky and produce over a very short term.
Got it.
I mean, when you're talking about long term pieces, no, but if you're talking about Chris Coghlan, who only has his job based on one aberration of a season, yeah, this is right? Just play the hot hand there until someday Kris Bryant is your everyday left fielder or whatever. Chris Coghlan doesn't need to face every single right handed starting pitcher or whatever just because he's left-handed.
I mean I really had no idea that saying a glorified fourth outfielder who is already part of a platoon should play even less while he's going through a cold snap was going to be so controversial.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 04, 2015, 12:14:00 PM
Another option?
Jonny Gomes.
If I were a betting man I'd bet the Cubs are going to let Coghlan figure it out or see if he comes out of the slump. I'm no expert of peripheral hitting metrics, but they seem to point to some unluckiness. And for that I don't mind if the Cubs stick with him until it's time to address Baez's return and what that does to the lineup...i.e., Bryant to LF.
Am I tolerating too much bullshit here?
Anyone less than Mike Trout or Giancarlo Stanton is pure, unadulterated bullshit toleration. Get it done Theo.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on May 04, 2015, 12:35:51 PM
Anyone less than Mike Trout or Giancarlo Stanton is pure, unadulterated bullshit toleration. Get it done Theo.
Either you've just turned "can Chris Coghlan play less" into the worst strawman in the history of this site, or you were trying to be funny and failed miserably, but either way good job.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 04, 2015, 12:31:27 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 04, 2015, 12:14:00 PM
Another option?
Jonny Gomes.
If I were a betting man I'd bet the Cubs are going to let Coghlan figure it out or see if he comes out of the slump. I'm no expert of peripheral hitting metrics, but they seem to point to some unluckiness. And for that I don't mind if the Cubs stick with him until it's time to address Baez's return and what that does to the lineup...i.e., Bryant to LF.
Am I tolerating too much bullshit here?
I'm pretty sure he leads the league in almost homers, so there could be some truth to the unluckiness.
Quote from: Tony on May 04, 2015, 12:41:51 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 04, 2015, 12:31:27 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 04, 2015, 12:14:00 PM
Another option?
Jonny Gomes.
If I were a betting man I'd bet the Cubs are going to let Coghlan figure it out or see if he comes out of the slump. I'm no expert of peripheral hitting metrics, but they seem to point to some unluckiness. And for that I don't mind if the Cubs stick with him until it's time to address Baez's return and what that does to the lineup...i.e., Bryant to LF.
Am I tolerating too much bullshit here?
I'm pretty sure he leads the league in almost homers, so there could be some truth to the unluckiness.
I'd say Coghlan gets probably most of the month of May to figure his shit out, but if he's still struggling in June and the Cubs understandably don't want to throw Denorfia/Lake/Seizure out there vs. right handed starting pitchers, we probably will see them trade some 3rd or 4th tier prospect for a guy like Moss/Zobrist. Hard to count on Javy hitting his way all of the way back from Iowa, into the lineup, and overcoming his struggles from last year fast enough to be handed the 3rd base job without Jepstink hedging their bets with a safer option. Javy can always beat that guy out, but I doubt they'd just be cool with 2010-2013 Chris Coghlan sitting around taking up space all year.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 04, 2015, 12:31:27 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 04, 2015, 12:14:00 PM
Another option?
Jonny Gomes.
If I were a betting man I'd bet the Cubs are going to let Coghlan figure it out or see if he comes out of the slump. I'm no expert of peripheral hitting metrics, but they seem to point to some unluckiness. And for that I don't mind if the Cubs stick with him until it's time to address Baez's return and what that does to the lineup...i.e., Bryant to LF.
Am I tolerating too much bullshit here?
I don't think it's a slump, I think it's a regression to the norm.
It's not that he's not a crappy outfielder and shouldn't be replaced, it's just an odd place for even your basic spud-craniumed bog dweller to focus any anger.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 04, 2015, 12:44:58 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 04, 2015, 12:31:27 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 04, 2015, 12:14:00 PM
Another option?
Jonny Gomes.
If I were a betting man I'd bet the Cubs are going to let Coghlan figure it out or see if he comes out of the slump. I'm no expert of peripheral hitting metrics, but they seem to point to some unluckiness. And for that I don't mind if the Cubs stick with him until it's time to address Baez's return and what that does to the lineup...i.e., Bryant to LF.
Am I tolerating too much bullshit here?
I don't think it's a slump, I think it's a regression to the norm.
It's not that he's not a crappy outfielder and shouldn't be replaced, it's just an odd place for even your basic spud-craniumed bog dweller to focus any anger.
Once again I go back to "when did we stop disliking bad baseball players for being bad."
Am I supposed to hate the good players more when they slump or something?
I just find it weird that the place that pioneered the Bako-Meter and a thousand hateful nicknames for Freddy Bynum suddenly has such a weird tolerance for crappy baseball players.
Like, tell me, who is one player on this friggin team I'm allowed to focus my anger on if not the guy who is the worst player with the most playing time who ISN'T a top five prospect.
I don't want to hate Jorge Soler or Kris Bryant or Anthony Rizzo or Addison Russell or Starlin Castro or Dexter Fowler or guys who have actual talent and futures and have demonstrated potential, so what's a good reason NOT to hate Chris Coghlan when he's not very good?
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 04, 2015, 12:44:58 PM
... it's just an odd place for even your basic spud-craniumed bog dweller to focus any anger.
Where should he instead focus his anger (which I don't think is even the right word for it)? Are there limits to the number of players he can find flaws with? I don't follow the line of thinking here.
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 12:52:12 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 04, 2015, 12:44:58 PM
... it's just an odd place for even your basic spud-craniumed bog dweller to focus any anger.
Where should he instead focus his anger (which I don't think is even the right word for it)? Are there limits to the number of players he can find flaws with? I don't follow the line of thinking here.
Yeah there's no anger at Chris Coghlan. There's me pointing out that Chris Coghlan sucks, and getting angry at the now tired response from Cubs Twitter/this messageboard of HEY MAN LOOK AT THE FUTURE THINGS ARE GOOD WHY YOU GOTTA BE HATIN?
This hand-wringing over Chris Coghlan led me to skim this thread more than read it in depth, but has anyone pointed out that Coghlan is terrible April/May all the time?
OPS By Month:
March/April: .610
May: .615
June: .818
July: .766
August: .890
September: .833
So, wait til June to hate. You're welcome
Quote from: Yeti on May 04, 2015, 12:54:13 PM
This hand-wringing over Chris Coghlan led me to skim this thread more than read it in depth, but has anyone pointed out that Coghlan is terrible April/May all the time?
OPS By Month:
March/April: .610
May: .615
June: .818
July: .766
August: .890
September: .833
So, wait til June to hate. You're welcome
There's my knight in shining flannel.
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 12:46:07 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 04, 2015, 12:44:58 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 04, 2015, 12:31:27 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 04, 2015, 12:14:00 PM
Another option?
Jonny Gomes.
If I were a betting man I'd bet the Cubs are going to let Coghlan figure it out or see if he comes out of the slump. I'm no expert of peripheral hitting metrics, but they seem to point to some unluckiness. And for that I don't mind if the Cubs stick with him until it's time to address Baez's return and what that does to the lineup...i.e., Bryant to LF.
Am I tolerating too much bullshit here?
I don't think it's a slump, I think it's a regression to the norm.
It's not that he's not a crappy outfielder and shouldn't be replaced, it's just an odd place for even your basic spud-craniumed bog dweller to focus any anger.
Once again I go back to "when did we stop disliking bad baseball players for being bad."
Am I supposed to hate the good players more when they slump or something?
I just find it weird that the place that pioneered the Bako-Meter and a thousand hateful nicknames for Freddy Bynum suddenly has such a weird tolerance for crappy baseball players.
Like, tell me, who is one player on this friggin team I'm allowed to focus my anger on if not the guy who is the worst player with the most playing time who ISN'T a top five prospect.
I don't want to hate Jorge Soler or Kris Bryant or Anthony Rizzo or Addison Russell or Starlin Castro or Dexter Fowler or guys who have actual talent and futures and have demonstrated potential, so what's a good reason NOT to hate Chris Coghlan when he's not very good?
I agree. I think Coghlan has sucked this year. But, I can also understand that it's been 72 PAs and that's about 17% of the total of PAs that I figure The Ephoyer Statistics Business Unit had projected for him at a certain production. Is that enough to throw in the towel? His .229 BABIP says he's been unlucky but he's striking out more and walking less than his career norm.
Perhaps another 50-70 PAs? I don't know what to think but he's been completely frustrating. It would have been nice to get an OPS+ of about 115 out of the 7th spot in the order against RHP.
With any luck, I'm not going to be focused on baseball full-time until mid-June. Until then, I just wanted to let SKO know that it's going to be all right.
Quote from: Yeti on May 04, 2015, 12:54:13 PM
This hand-wringing over Chris Coghlan led me to skim this thread more than read it in depth, but has anyone pointed out that Coghlan is terrible April/May all the time?
OPS By Month:
March/April: .610
May: .615
June: .818
July: .766
August: .890
September: .833
So, wait til June to hate. You're welcome
Yeah but for a guy who is costing them runs with defense all of the time, it's stupid to "wait till June" for him to start providing a marginal return on investment on a team that's trying to win games right now. He's not a guy they owe anything to, so try and find someone better while Coghlan's sucking.
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 01:01:07 PM
Quote from: Yeti on May 04, 2015, 12:54:13 PM
This hand-wringing over Chris Coghlan led me to skim this thread more than read it in depth, but has anyone pointed out that Coghlan is terrible April/May all the time?
OPS By Month:
March/April: .610
May: .615
June: .818
July: .766
August: .890
September: .833
So, wait til June to hate. You're welcome
Yeah but for a guy who is costing them runs with defense all of the time, it's stupid to "wait till June" for him to start providing a marginal return on investment on a team that's trying to win games right now. He's not a guy they owe anything to, so try and find someone better while Coghlan's sucking.
Trade for Francoeur
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 01:01:07 PM
Quote from: Yeti on May 04, 2015, 12:54:13 PM
This hand-wringing over Chris Coghlan led me to skim this thread more than read it in depth, but has anyone pointed out that Coghlan is terrible April/May all the time?
OPS By Month:
March/April: .610
May: .615
June: .818
July: .766
August: .890
September: .833
So, wait til June to hate. You're welcome
Yeah but for a guy who is costing them runs with defense all of the time, it's stupid to "wait till June" for him to start providing a marginal return on investment on a team that's trying to win games right now. He's not a guy they owe anything to, so try and find someone better while Coghlan's sucking.
I didn't realize his defense was so terrible. Is it really?
Quote from: CT III on May 04, 2015, 12:59:07 PM
With any luck, I'm not going to be focused on baseball full-time until mid-June. Until then, I just wanted to let SKO know that it's going to be all right.
We can do another thread entitled "Get some fucking sleep thread" where he can post from his cot in the boobie hatch.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 04, 2015, 01:03:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 01:01:07 PM
Quote from: Yeti on May 04, 2015, 12:54:13 PM
This hand-wringing over Chris Coghlan led me to skim this thread more than read it in depth, but has anyone pointed out that Coghlan is terrible April/May all the time?
OPS By Month:
March/April: .610
May: .615
June: .818
July: .766
August: .890
September: .833
So, wait til June to hate. You're welcome
Yeah but for a guy who is costing them runs with defense all of the time, it's stupid to "wait till June" for him to start providing a marginal return on investment on a team that's trying to win games right now. He's not a guy they owe anything to, so try and find someone better while Coghlan's sucking.
I didn't realize his defense was so terrible. Is it really?
It's the word on the twittospheres.... but don't check his UZR/150 if you want to maintain that belief (for just this year and UZR has a tendency to normalize so really he's just having a fluky better-ish defensive season besides those times he's misplayed a ball that sticks in the head of those who hate his fielding but seriously he kinda sucks in the field)
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 04, 2015, 01:03:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 01:01:07 PM
Quote from: Yeti on May 04, 2015, 12:54:13 PM
This hand-wringing over Chris Coghlan led me to skim this thread more than read it in depth, but has anyone pointed out that Coghlan is terrible April/May all the time?
OPS By Month:
March/April: .610
May: .615
June: .818
July: .766
August: .890
September: .833
So, wait til June to hate. You're welcome
Yeah but for a guy who is costing them runs with defense all of the time, it's stupid to "wait till June" for him to start providing a marginal return on investment on a team that's trying to win games right now. He's not a guy they owe anything to, so try and find someone better while Coghlan's sucking.
I didn't realize his defense was so terrible. Is it really?
For his career he's been worth -7.4 WAR defensively. Last year according to baseball reference he was worth only 0.2 WAR overall because his 2.0 oWAR was cancelled out by him being -2.3 dWAR. He's an abysmal defender at a position where defense really shouldn't be that hard. So considering 2014 Coghlan's great offensive stats added up to him being worth 1/5th of a win thanks to his D, if he's gonna regress to the norm he's a total liabality.
The more I think about it, the more I like Aoki as a trade target. He's even got a cheap team option for next year if they feel like they need another stopgap starter or a very good 4th OF, if Baez/Schwarber really force the issue. That option may drive up his cost a bit, though it'd still barely dent the farm system.
So that settles it. I'm going to root for the Giants to fall out of contention and then be super annoying about Aoki on Twitter until I lose a bunch more followers.
Sounds like Coghlan's wearing the Schierholtz Memorial Shit Hat.
I'd give him some time and platoon him while he's sucking.
It's been kind of interesting to see them struggle lately and also to watch us all flip out about losing 2 of 3 to Milwaukee. They're going to have worse stretches than this and in years where they have higher expectations.
Anyway, this 4 gamer with the birds is gonna be nuts. I hope it's hot as fuck in St. Louis and this ends up being the Cubs' national awakening type thing.
Quote from: Slaky on May 04, 2015, 01:31:38 PM
Anyway, this 4 gamer with the birds is gonna be nuts. I hope it's hot as fuck in St. Louis and this ends up being the Cubs' national awakening type thing.
Mid-80s all week. Bryant's definitely going to smack his first dong, provided it doesn't get bogged down in the heavy, shit-saturated air.
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 01:36:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on May 04, 2015, 01:31:38 PM
Anyway, this 4 gamer with the birds is gonna be nuts. I hope it's hot as fuck in St. Louis and this ends up being the Cubs' national awakening type thing.
Mid-80s all week. Bryant's definitely going to smack his first dong, provided it doesn't get bogged down in the heavy, shit-saturated air.
God I hope. I hope Bryant rains death upon them and Jorge Soler goes off for another multi-homer game and the BFIBB twitter feed blows up with a bunch of bitching about that flashy Cuban and his big fucking chains and I hope I get a chance to puff my chest and repeat Len Kasper's "well, get used to him" line from last year over and over.
But I'm also afraid that red hot Cardinals pitching staff continues this nasty slump the offense is in and they drop 3 of 4 or whatever and the actual "sky is falling" crowd will resurface.
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 01:40:54 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 01:36:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on May 04, 2015, 01:31:38 PM
Anyway, this 4 gamer with the birds is gonna be nuts. I hope it's hot as fuck in St. Louis and this ends up being the Cubs' national awakening type thing.
Mid-80s all week. Bryant's definitely going to smack his first dong, provided it doesn't get bogged down in the heavy, shit-saturated air.
God I hope. I hope Bryant rains death upon them and Jorge Soler goes off for another multi-homer game and the BFIBB twitter feed blows up with a bunch of bitching about that flashy Cuban and his big fucking chains and I hope I get a chance to puff my chest and repeat Len Kasper's "well, get used to him" line from last year over and over.
But I'm also afraid that red hot Cardinals pitching staff continues this nasty slump the offense is in and they drop 3 of 4 or whatever and the actual "sky is falling" crowd will resurface.
Buck up, lil' camper. They're gonna punch the fucking Cardinals right in the damn mouf this week. /joyful positive
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 01:40:54 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 01:36:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on May 04, 2015, 01:31:38 PM
Anyway, this 4 gamer with the birds is gonna be nuts. I hope it's hot as fuck in St. Louis and this ends up being the Cubs' national awakening type thing.
Mid-80s all week. Bryant's definitely going to smack his first dong, provided it doesn't get bogged down in the heavy, shit-saturated air.
God I hope. I hope Bryant rains death upon them and Jorge Soler goes off for another multi-homer game and the BFIBB twitter feed blows up with a bunch of bitching about that flashy Cuban and his big fucking chains and I hope I get a chance to puff my chest and repeat Len Kasper's "well, get used to him" line from last year over and over.
But I'm also afraid that red hot Cardinals pitching staff continues this nasty slump the offense is in and they drop 3 of 4 or whatever and the actual "sky is falling" crowd will resurface.
Forget about the Brewers. We must move forward, not backward; upward, not forward; and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom.
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 01:47:14 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 01:40:54 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 01:36:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on May 04, 2015, 01:31:38 PM
Anyway, this 4 gamer with the birds is gonna be nuts. I hope it's hot as fuck in St. Louis and this ends up being the Cubs' national awakening type thing.
Mid-80s all week. Bryant's definitely going to smack his first dong, provided it doesn't get bogged down in the heavy, shit-saturated air.
God I hope. I hope Bryant rains death upon them and Jorge Soler goes off for another multi-homer game and the BFIBB twitter feed blows up with a bunch of bitching about that flashy Cuban and his big fucking chains and I hope I get a chance to puff my chest and repeat Len Kasper's "well, get used to him" line from last year over and over.
But I'm also afraid that red hot Cardinals pitching staff continues this nasty slump the offense is in and they drop 3 of 4 or whatever and the actual "sky is falling" crowd will resurface.
Forget about the Brewers. We must move forward, not backward; upward, not forward; and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom.
Believe in the stars? It's like it doesn't even mean anything anymore.
I'm actually still waiting for my FORK APPROVED list of players to hate on the 2015 Cubs.
So far we've ruled out Coghlan (what did you expect?), Ross (not his fault he's on the roster chap), and Schlitter (looks too much like Slaky or something).
Does that just leave Edwin Jackson or what?
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 01:47:14 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 01:40:54 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 01:36:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on May 04, 2015, 01:31:38 PM
Anyway, this 4 gamer with the birds is gonna be nuts. I hope it's hot as fuck in St. Louis and this ends up being the Cubs' national awakening type thing.
Mid-80s all week. Bryant's definitely going to smack his first dong, provided it doesn't get bogged down in the heavy, shit-saturated air.
God I hope. I hope Bryant rains death upon them and Jorge Soler goes off for another multi-homer game and the BFIBB twitter feed blows up with a bunch of bitching about that flashy Cuban and his big fucking chains and I hope I get a chance to puff my chest and repeat Len Kasper's "well, get used to him" line from last year over and over.
But I'm also afraid that red hot Cardinals pitching staff continues this nasty slump the offense is in and they drop 3 of 4 or whatever and the actual "sky is falling" crowd will resurface.
Forget about the Brewers. We must move forward, not backward; upward, not forward; and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom.
Also I lol'd hard at this.
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 02:00:29 PM
I'm actually still waiting for my FORK APPROVED list of players to hate on the 2015 Cubs.
So far we've ruled out Coghlan (what did you expect?), Ross (not his fault he's on the roster chap), and Schlitter (looks too much like Slaky or something).
Does that just leave Edwin Jackson or what?
Edwin Jackson has actually been good so far.
I definitely hated Brian Schlitter the most so far this season. But he's in Iowa.
Perhaps the Cubs don't have any hateable players at the moment. That's a possibility you might want to consider.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 04, 2015, 02:05:02 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 02:00:29 PM
I'm actually still waiting for my FORK APPROVED list of players to hate on the 2015 Cubs.
So far we've ruled out Coghlan (what did you expect?), Ross (not his fault he's on the roster chap), and Schlitter (looks too much like Slaky or something).
Does that just leave Edwin Jackson or what?
Edwin Jackson has actually been good so far.
I definitely hated Brian Schlitter the most so far this season. But he's in Iowa.
Perhaps the Cubs don't have any hateable players at the moment. That's a possibility you might want to consider.
Unless they were sitting at 23-0, this is never, ever right.
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 02:00:29 PM
I'm actually still waiting for my FORK APPROVED list of players to hate on the 2015 Cubs.
So far we've ruled out Coghlan (what did you expect?), Ross (not his fault he's on the roster chap), and Schlitter (looks too much like Slaky or something).
Does that just leave Edwin Jackson or what?
Outside of the 1 high-leverage situation in which he shit the tub, EJax has been able to eat some mop-up innings, so there's that.
Also Schlitter's not on the big-league club so take him off the list.
Not sure if there's anybody else we can hate besides Coghlan and Ross. I'm so confused right now.
Quote from: PANK! on May 04, 2015, 02:06:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 02:00:29 PM
I'm actually still waiting for my FORK APPROVED list of players to hate on the 2015 Cubs.
So far we've ruled out Coghlan (what did you expect?), Ross (not his fault he's on the roster chap), and Schlitter (looks too much like Slaky or something).
Does that just leave Edwin Jackson or what?
Outside of the 1 high-leverage situation in which he shit the tub, EJax has been able to eat some mop-up innings, so there's that.
Also Schlitter's not on the big-league club so take him off the list.
Not sure if there's anybody else we can hate besides Coghlan and Ross. I'm so confused right now.
I'm happy there are so few hateworthy candidates, mind you, but this team is nowhere near good enough that we can just sit here, not hating anyone. This ain't Canada. Coghlan and Ross can stick it.
Also one other possible solution to the Coghlan problem if he keeps sucking is to hope that when La Stella comes back he could play a passable 3rd till whenever/if ever Javy is ready and they could stick Bryant in LF. La Stella is guy whose one talent seems to be getting on base at a pretty good clip, so that'd be a nice guy to stick in the 9 hole.
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 01:36:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on May 04, 2015, 01:31:38 PM
Anyway, this 4 gamer with the birds is gonna be nuts. I hope it's hot as fuck in St. Louis and this ends up being the Cubs' national awakening type thing.
Mid-80s all week. Bryant's definitely going to smack his first dong, provided it doesn't get bogged down in the heavy, shit-saturated air.
At higher humidity, balls travel further as air is less dense. http://theweatherprediction.com/habyhints/260/index.html
I'm good with a Coghlan firebarn. I'm on board, SKO. Let's hate!
Quote from: Oleg on May 04, 2015, 02:27:03 PM
I'm good with a Coghlan firebarn. I'm on board, SKO. Let's hate!
If I can inspire one heart to hate, then I've made a difference in this world.
In all honesty I even said in my first post about this that I didn't want to firebarn Coghlan, I just didn't expect so much pushback over pointing out that bad player is bad and should play less if possible. You've all forced my fire-barning hand.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 04, 2015, 02:26:22 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 01:36:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on May 04, 2015, 01:31:38 PM
Anyway, this 4 gamer with the birds is gonna be nuts. I hope it's hot as fuck in St. Louis and this ends up being the Cubs' national awakening type thing.
Mid-80s all week. Bryant's definitely going to smack his first dong, provided it doesn't get bogged down in the heavy, shit-saturated air.
At higher humidity, balls travel further as air is less dense. http://theweatherprediction.com/habyhints/260/index.html
In my non-hypothetical scenario, the air is saturated by provel-laden feces and not water vapor so good luck finding a study on that.
I'd start a firebarn for Phil Coke
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 02:14:03 PM
Also one other possible solution to the Coghlan problem if he keeps sucking is to hope that when La Stella comes back he could play a passable 3rd till whenever/if ever Javy is ready and they could stick Bryant in LF. La Stella is guy whose one talent seems to be getting on base at a pretty good clip, so that'd be a nice guy to stick in the 9 hole.
What the hell ever happened to La Stella? I seem to recall when he went on the DL that they expected he'd be ready to go as soon as he was eligible to come off and now I feel like Huey because I remember that date was April 24th. It's been 10 days. What is Epstink hiding?
Quote from: Slaky on May 04, 2015, 02:34:24 PM
I'd start a firebarn for Phil Coke
Now we're talking.
Quote from: R-V on May 04, 2015, 02:34:44 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 02:14:03 PM
Also one other possible solution to the Coghlan problem if he keeps sucking is to hope that when La Stella comes back he could play a passable 3rd till whenever/if ever Javy is ready and they could stick Bryant in LF. La Stella is guy whose one talent seems to be getting on base at a pretty good clip, so that'd be a nice guy to stick in the 9 hole.
What the hell ever happened to La Stella? I seem to recall when he went on the DL that they expected he'd be ready to go as soon as he was eligible to come off and now I feel like Huey because I remember that date was April 24th. It's been 10 days. What is Epstink hiding?
I read recently (only a few days ago) that he's been in Arizona running in a pool. I don't know if he's even taking swings yet. I guess that side pull thing was a little more serious than they thought.
Quote from: R-V on May 04, 2015, 02:34:44 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 02:14:03 PM
Also one other possible solution to the Coghlan problem if he keeps sucking is to hope that when La Stella comes back he could play a passable 3rd till whenever/if ever Javy is ready and they could stick Bryant in LF. La Stella is guy whose one talent seems to be getting on base at a pretty good clip, so that'd be a nice guy to stick in the 9 hole.
What the hell ever happened to La Stella? I seem to recall when he went on the DL that they expected he'd be ready to go as soon as he was eligible to come off and now I feel like Huey because I remember that date was April 24th. It's been 10 days. What is Epstink hiding?
No idea, last update that Brett tracked down was that he wasn't even swinging a damn bat yet in Arizona. He was working in the pool or whatever. Much as I LOATHE that sonofabitch Chris Coghlan I'd keep him on the roster over Herrera, but there's no way to get rid of Herrerra until La Stella or Baez is back.
Quote from: Slaky on May 04, 2015, 02:34:24 PM
I'd start a firebarn for Phil Coke
I was with you, but my hatred cooled off when he actually got through an outing without incurring shit stains all over his uniform this weekend. I'm putting my Coke hatred on hiatus for now...
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 04, 2015, 02:26:22 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 01:36:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on May 04, 2015, 01:31:38 PM
Anyway, this 4 gamer with the birds is gonna be nuts. I hope it's hot as fuck in St. Louis and this ends up being the Cubs' national awakening type thing.
Mid-80s all week. Bryant's definitely going to smack his first dong, provided it doesn't get bogged down in the heavy, shit-saturated air.
At higher humidity, balls travel further as air is less dense. http://theweatherprediction.com/habyhints/260/index.html
Burning barns lower humidity.
Quote from: R-V on May 04, 2015, 02:34:44 PM
What the hell ever happened to La Stella? ....
Hasn't gotten his groove back.
Coghlan batting second today, Denorfia in RF for Soler.
Pretty sure this thread is gettin' a bumpin' later.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 04, 2015, 02:46:42 PM
Coghlan batting second today, Denorfia in RF for Soler.
Pretty sure this thread is gettin' a bumpin' later.
Why in God's name would you decide Soler's day off is today? He's finally warming back up? They had a day off on Thursday and it's a night game after a day game. This makes no sense.
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 02:48:34 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 04, 2015, 02:46:42 PM
Coghlan batting second today, Denorfia in RF for Soler.
Pretty sure this thread is gettin' a bumpin' later.
Why in God's name would you decide Soler's day off is today? He's finally warming back up? They had a day off on Thursday and it's a night game after a day game. This makes no sense.
The Cubs face a tough RHP in Carlos Martinez tonight and get LHP Tyler Lyons tomorrow...could just be an apt time for a day off.
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 02:48:34 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 04, 2015, 02:46:42 PM
Coghlan batting second today, Denorfia in RF for Soler.
Pretty sure this thread is gettin' a bumpin' later.
Why in God's name would you decide Soler's day off is today? He's finally warming back up? They had a day off on Thursday and it's a night game after a day game. This makes no sense.
Martinez's two best pitches are his slider and changeup. That's not a good matchup for Jorge right now. Add that in to the first game of a big series where he might be a bit overeager and it makes sense to me.
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 02:51:41 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 02:48:34 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 04, 2015, 02:46:42 PM
Coghlan batting second today, Denorfia in RF for Soler.
Pretty sure this thread is gettin' a bumpin' later.
Why in God's name would you decide Soler's day off is today? He's finally warming back up? They had a day off on Thursday and it's a night game after a day game. This makes no sense.
Martinez's two best pitches are his slider and changeup. That's not a good matchup for Jorge right now. Add that in to the first game of a big series where he might be a bit overeager and it makes sense to me.
Complaint withdrawn.
Quote from: thehawk on May 04, 2015, 02:42:34 PM
Quote from: R-V on May 04, 2015, 02:34:44 PM
What the hell ever happened to La Stella? ....
Hasn't gotten his groove back.
You were all expecting me to do this one, weren't you?
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 02:51:41 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 02:48:34 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 04, 2015, 02:46:42 PM
Coghlan batting second today, Denorfia in RF for Soler.
Pretty sure this thread is gettin' a bumpin' later.
Why in God's name would you decide Soler's day off is today? He's finally warming back up? They had a day off on Thursday and it's a night game after a day game. This makes no sense.
Martinez's two best pitches are his slider and changeup. That's not a good matchup for Jorge right now. Add that in to the first game of a big series where he might be a bit overeager and it makes sense to me.
I've got no issue with this. All it means is Denorfia will probably end up hitting a homer.
Quote from: Slaky on May 04, 2015, 02:58:29 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 02:51:41 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 02:48:34 PM
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Coghlan batting second today, Denorfia in RF for Soler.
Pretty sure this thread is gettin' a bumpin' later.
Why in God's name would you decide Soler's day off is today? He's finally warming back up? They had a day off on Thursday and it's a night game after a day game. This makes no sense.
Martinez's two best pitches are his slider and changeup. That's not a good matchup for Jorge right now. Add that in to the first game of a big series where he might be a bit overeager and it makes sense to me.
I've got no issue with this. All it means is Denorfia will probably end up hitting a homer.
He's basically just death on righties in general. .599 vs. .807 R/L split for his career. I don't even think Denorfia will do better than Soler would, but he can at least go ahead and fall on the sword.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 04, 2015, 02:53:40 PM
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What the hell ever happened to La Stella? ....
Hasn't gotten his groove back.
You were all expecting me to do this one, weren't you?
I had to read it three times just to make sure.
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 03:02:25 PM
Quote from: Slaky on May 04, 2015, 02:58:29 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 02:51:41 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 02:48:34 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 04, 2015, 02:46:42 PM
Coghlan batting second today, Denorfia in RF for Soler.
Pretty sure this thread is gettin' a bumpin' later.
Why in God's name would you decide Soler's day off is today? He's finally warming back up? They had a day off on Thursday and it's a night game after a day game. This makes no sense.
Martinez's two best pitches are his slider and changeup. That's not a good matchup for Jorge right now. Add that in to the first game of a big series where he might be a bit overeager and it makes sense to me.
I've got no issue with this. All it means is Denorfia will probably end up hitting a homer.
He's basically just death on righties in general. .599 vs. .807 R/L split for his career.
Time for Chris Coghlan to deliver a big ole' can of STFU to half of us...
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 02:05:43 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 04, 2015, 02:05:02 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 02:00:29 PM
I'm actually still waiting for my FORK APPROVED list of players to hate on the 2015 Cubs.
So far we've ruled out Coghlan (what did you expect?), Ross (not his fault he's on the roster chap), and Schlitter (looks too much like Slaky or something).
Does that just leave Edwin Jackson or what?
Edwin Jackson has actually been good so far.
I definitely hated Brian Schlitter the most so far this season. But he's in Iowa.
Perhaps the Cubs don't have any hateable players at the moment. That's a possibility you might want to consider.
Unless they were sitting at 23-0, this is never, ever right.
I'm sorry man, your attempts at generating a consensus PLAYERHATE just smack too much of effort for me to get on board. What would Bort say if he was still alive?
Quote from: CT III on May 04, 2015, 04:09:16 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 02:05:43 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 04, 2015, 02:05:02 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 02:00:29 PM
I'm actually still waiting for my FORK APPROVED list of players to hate on the 2015 Cubs.
So far we've ruled out Coghlan (what did you expect?), Ross (not his fault he's on the roster chap), and Schlitter (looks too much like Slaky or something).
Does that just leave Edwin Jackson or what?
Edwin Jackson has actually been good so far.
I definitely hated Brian Schlitter the most so far this season. But he's in Iowa.
Perhaps the Cubs don't have any hateable players at the moment. That's a possibility you might want to consider.
Unless they were sitting at 23-0, this is never, ever right.
I'm sorry man, your attempts at generating a consensus PLAYERHATE just smack too much of effort for me to get on board. What would Bort say if he was still alive?
Hold on, we can definitely hate:
Edwin Jackson (I'm outraged that anyone would disagree with this because of a 9 inning sample size.)
David Ross
Brian Schlitter
Jonathan Herrera
Tommy LaStella (a month with a strained oblique and still no signs of coming back? Get it together, fucko.)
Gonzalez German
Phil Coke
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 03:02:25 PM
Quote from: Slaky on May 04, 2015, 02:58:29 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 02:51:41 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 02:48:34 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 04, 2015, 02:46:42 PM
Coghlan batting second today, Denorfia in RF for Soler.
Pretty sure this thread is gettin' a bumpin' later.
Why in God's name would you decide Soler's day off is today? He's finally warming back up? They had a day off on Thursday and it's a night game after a day game. This makes no sense.
Martinez's two best pitches are his slider and changeup. That's not a good matchup for Jorge right now. Add that in to the first game of a big series where he might be a bit overeager and it makes sense to me.
I've got no issue with this. All it means is Denorfia will probably end up hitting a homer.
He's basically just death on righties in general. .599 vs. .807 R/L split for his career. I don't even think Denorfia will do better than Soler would, but he can at least go ahead and fall on the sword.
I have been wondering if/when Soler would get an off day, considering how conservatively they managed his playing time last year after That Whole Hamstring Thing.
Quote from: Slaky on May 04, 2015, 02:34:24 PM
I'd start a firebarn for Phil Coke Meth.
Not good enough to be called Coke.
Quote from: CT III on May 04, 2015, 04:09:16 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 02:05:43 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 04, 2015, 02:05:02 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 02:00:29 PM
I'm actually still waiting for my FORK APPROVED list of players to hate on the 2015 Cubs.
So far we've ruled out Coghlan (what did you expect?), Ross (not his fault he's on the roster chap), and Schlitter (looks too much like Slaky or something).
Does that just leave Edwin Jackson or what?
Edwin Jackson has actually been good so far.
I definitely hated Brian Schlitter the most so far this season. But he's in Iowa.
Perhaps the Cubs don't have any hateable players at the moment. That's a possibility you might want to consider.
Unless they were sitting at 23-0, this is never, ever right.
I'm sorry man, your attempts at generating a consensus PLAYERHATE just smack too much of effort for me to get on board. What would Bort say if he was still alive?
Something along these lines:
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee209/jbdiablo/Meme%20Theory/14F5786C-FE10-4910-9BCA-85EA5C55E985_zpsdkkdneh3.jpg)
Quote from: Bort on May 04, 2015, 06:00:27 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 04, 2015, 04:09:16 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 02:05:43 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 04, 2015, 02:05:02 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 02:00:29 PM
I'm actually still waiting for my FORK APPROVED list of players to hate on the 2015 Cubs.
So far we've ruled out Coghlan (what did you expect?), Ross (not his fault he's on the roster chap), and Schlitter (looks too much like Slaky or something).
Does that just leave Edwin Jackson or what?
Edwin Jackson has actually been good so far.
I definitely hated Brian Schlitter the most so far this season. But he's in Iowa.
Perhaps the Cubs don't have any hateable players at the moment. That's a possibility you might want to consider.
Unless they were sitting at 23-0, this is never, ever right.
I'm sorry man, your attempts at generating a consensus PLAYERHATE just smack too much of effort for me to get on board. What would Bort say if he was still alive?
Something along these lines:
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee209/jbdiablo/Meme%20Theory/14F5786C-FE10-4910-9BCA-85EA5C55E985_zpsdkkdneh3.jpg)
I snorted on the train. Thanks for that.
Quote from: Bort on May 04, 2015, 06:00:27 PM
Something along these lines:
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee209/jbdiablo/Meme%20Theory/14F5786C-FE10-4910-9BCA-85EA5C55E985_zpsdkkdneh3.jpg)
Excellent. I think we have a logo for the messageboard, after all this time.
Quote from: PANK! on May 04, 2015, 02:06:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 02:00:29 PM
I'm actually still waiting for my FORK APPROVED list of players to hate on the 2015 Cubs.
So far we've ruled out Coghlan (what did you expect?), Ross (not his fault he's on the roster chap), and Schlitter (looks too much like Slaky or something).
Does that just leave Edwin Jackson or what?
Outside of the 1 high-leverage situation in which he shit the tub, EJax has been able to eat some mop-up innings, so there's that.
Also Schlitter's not on the big-league club so take him off the list.
Not sure if there's anybody else we can hate besides Coghlan and Ross. I'm so confused right now.
BTW I somehow managed to overlook Junior Lake yesterday but after watching him since his most recent callup I'm going to go ahead and take him of my HATE list. He hit two more balls hard yesterday but nothing to show for it. He and MACK SEIZURE may be able to solidify some OF depth with their middling prospect ways.
Quote from: PANK! on May 05, 2015, 09:48:04 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 04, 2015, 02:06:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 04, 2015, 02:00:29 PM
I'm actually still waiting for my FORK APPROVED list of players to hate on the 2015 Cubs.
So far we've ruled out Coghlan (what did you expect?), Ross (not his fault he's on the roster chap), and Schlitter (looks too much like Slaky or something).
Does that just leave Edwin Jackson or what?
Outside of the 1 high-leverage situation in which he shit the tub, EJax has been able to eat some mop-up innings, so there's that.
Also Schlitter's not on the big-league club so take him off the list.
Not sure if there's anybody else we can hate besides Coghlan and Ross. I'm so confused right now.
BTW I somehow managed to overlook Junior Lake yesterday but after watching him since his most recent callup I'm going to go ahead and take him of my HATE list. He hit two more balls hard yesterday but nothing to show for it. He and MACK SEIZURE may be able to solidify some OF depth with their middling prospect ways.
That dive into first base didn't do anything for ya?
How the fuck is this not on the first page?
Also, score some fucking runs already.
This is getting ridiculous.
Quote from: SKO on July 03, 2015, 04:15:54 PM
This is getting ridiculous.
Two or fewer runs in 9 of their last 10 games. Somehow, they've gone 4-6 over that stretch. But, seriously, score some runs already.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 03, 2015, 04:21:50 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 03, 2015, 04:15:54 PM
This is getting ridiculous.
Two or fewer runs in 9 of their last 10 games. Somehow, they've gone 4-6 over that stretch. But, seriously, score some runs already.
With no Jorge, a gimpy/slumping Fowler and the fact that they've faced Zack Greinke and the Cardinals pitching staff that's on a historic pace for runs allowed I was doing my best just to accept that a lot of it was just bad timing, but this fucking Koehler dude and Bartolo Colon and Jonathan Niese? Fuck that. Score runs off these schlubs.
Quote from: SKO on July 03, 2015, 04:25:35 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 03, 2015, 04:21:50 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 03, 2015, 04:15:54 PM
This is getting ridiculous.
Two or fewer runs in 9 of their last 10 games. Somehow, they've gone 4-6 over that stretch. But, seriously, score some runs already.
With no Jorge, a gimpy/slumping Fowler and the fact that they've faced Zack Greinke and the Cardinals pitching staff that's on a historic pace for runs allowed I was doing my best just to accept that a lot of it was just bad timing, but this fucking Koehler dude and Bartolo Colon and Jonathan Niese? Fuck that. Score runs off these schlubs.
THI.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 03, 2015, 10:33:47 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 03, 2015, 04:25:35 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 03, 2015, 04:21:50 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 03, 2015, 04:15:54 PM
This is getting ridiculous.
Two or fewer runs in 9 of their last 10 games. Somehow, they've gone 4-6 over that stretch. But, seriously, score some runs already.
With no Jorge, a gimpy/slumping Fowler and the fact that they've faced Zack Greinke and the Cardinals pitching staff that's on a historic pace for runs allowed I was doing my best just to accept that a lot of it was just bad timing, but this fucking Koehler dude and Bartolo Colon and Jonathan Niese? Fuck that. Score runs off these schlubs.
THI.
Now that you two have told them to score some runs I bet they do it.
Quote from: Eli on July 04, 2015, 07:19:30 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 03, 2015, 10:33:47 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 03, 2015, 04:25:35 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 03, 2015, 04:21:50 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 03, 2015, 04:15:54 PM
This is getting ridiculous.
Two or fewer runs in 9 of their last 10 games. Somehow, they've gone 4-6 over that stretch. But, seriously, score some runs already.
With no Jorge, a gimpy/slumping Fowler and the fact that they've faced Zack Greinke and the Cardinals pitching staff that's on a historic pace for runs allowed I was doing my best just to accept that a lot of it was just bad timing, but this fucking Koehler dude and Bartolo Colon and Jonathan Niese? Fuck that. Score runs off these schlubs.
THI.
Now that you two have told them to score some runs I bet they do it.
We can only hope, Eli. We can only hope.
Quote from: Eli on July 04, 2015, 07:19:30 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 03, 2015, 10:33:47 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 03, 2015, 04:25:35 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 03, 2015, 04:21:50 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 03, 2015, 04:15:54 PM
This is getting ridiculous.
Two or fewer runs in 9 of their last 10 games. Somehow, they've gone 4-6 over that stretch. But, seriously, score some runs already.
With no Jorge, a gimpy/slumping Fowler and the fact that they've faced Zack Greinke and the Cardinals pitching staff that's on a historic pace for runs allowed I was doing my best just to accept that a lot of it was just bad timing, but this fucking Koehler dude and Bartolo Colon and Jonathan Niese? Fuck that. Score runs off these schlubs.
THI.
Now that you two have told them to score some runs I bet they do it.
[Skypoint]
Quote from: ChuckD on July 04, 2015, 07:01:48 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 04, 2015, 07:19:30 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 03, 2015, 10:33:47 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 03, 2015, 04:25:35 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 03, 2015, 04:21:50 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 03, 2015, 04:15:54 PM
This is getting ridiculous.
Two or fewer runs in 9 of their last 10 games. Somehow, they've gone 4-6 over that stretch. But, seriously, score some runs already.
With no Jorge, a gimpy/slumping Fowler and the fact that they've faced Zack Greinke and the Cardinals pitching staff that's on a historic pace for runs allowed I was doing my best just to accept that a lot of it was just bad timing, but this fucking Koehler dude and Bartolo Colon and Jonathan Niese? Fuck that. Score runs off these schlubs.
THI.
Now that you two have told them to score some runs I bet they do it.
[Skypoint]
Intrepid Reader: Bob Costas*ruffles feathers*
Quote from: ChuckD on July 04, 2015, 07:01:48 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 04, 2015, 07:19:30 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 03, 2015, 10:33:47 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 03, 2015, 04:25:35 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 03, 2015, 04:21:50 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 03, 2015, 04:15:54 PM
This is getting ridiculous.
Two or fewer runs in 9 of their last 10 games. Somehow, they've gone 4-6 over that stretch. But, seriously, score some runs already.
With no Jorge, a gimpy/slumping Fowler and the fact that they've faced Zack Greinke and the Cardinals pitching staff that's on a historic pace for runs allowed I was doing my best just to accept that a lot of it was just bad timing, but this fucking Koehler dude and Bartolo Colon and Jonathan Niese? Fuck that. Score runs off these schlubs.
THI.
Now that you two have told them to score some runs I bet they do it.
[Skypoint]
[Turns cap a bit off-center]
Told you.
Stop hitting into double plays you fucking assholes.
B-b-b-bump.
Hi.
Quote from: Slaky on May 20, 2009, 09:22:56 PM
That's pretty much the truth. The starting pitching has been consistently good so I'm not at all concerned. Clearly they cannot get worse than this, offensively speaking.
The good times are yet to come.
That said - this is fucking irritating.
Some things never change?
This offense is fucking shit for brains right now and I'm past the yay we have handsome prospects that are good at baseball and we're lucky to have the #1 farm system in baseball phase to why don't you assholes start Schwarbersmashing balls like the Incredible Swchwarb? Score some goddamn fucking runs.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 22, 2015, 01:08:53 PM
This offense is fucking shit for brains right now and I'm past the yay we have handsome prospects that are good at baseball and we're lucky to have the #1 farm system in baseball phase to why don't you assholes start Schwarbersmashing balls like the Incredible Swchwarb? Score some goddamn fucking runs.
Or remember that 1/3 of the starting lineup are guys who made their major league debuts this season, and there's bound to be a few hiccups along the way.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 22, 2015, 01:16:46 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 22, 2015, 01:08:53 PM
This offense is fucking shit for brains right now and I'm past the yay we have handsome prospects that are good at baseball and we're lucky to have the #1 farm system in baseball phase to why don't you assholes start Schwarbersmashing balls like the Incredible Swchwarb? Score some goddamn fucking runs.
Or remember that 1/3 of the starting lineup are guys who made their major league debuts this season, and there's bound to be a few hiccups along the way.
I know all these things but that doesn't mean I'm pleased with it right this second.
I think it is okay to want to the Cubs to make the playoffs for the first time in seven freaking years and to see that they have a golden opportunity to do so and that this offense being unable to hit for most of the season may very well keep them from taking advantage. It's okay to be upset about that.
Maybe the run never materializes next year? Having young promising hitters doesn't mean the Cubs control Jake Arrieta for more than the next two years or that Jon Lester will be good for more than the next couple of years, or that no one will get hurt, or no one will regress in horrendous fashion like Starlin. Maybe this is the best shot they're going to have, so if this offense makes you want to yell loudly into your hat, do so.
I know I certainly hope the 2016-2017 Cubs are a juggernaut. I have reasons to believe they will be. I have no proof, though. Right now I know they hold down a playoff spot but that probably isn't going to last if they can't start hitting, and it's been long enough without them hitting that you can't just handwave it away and say Bah, it's gonna happen.
It's frustrating. Let it be frustrating. We're only human
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 22, 2015, 01:25:07 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 22, 2015, 01:16:46 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 22, 2015, 01:08:53 PM
This offense is fucking shit for brains right now and I'm past the yay we have handsome prospects that are good at baseball and we're lucky to have the #1 farm system in baseball phase to why don't you assholes start Schwarbersmashing balls like the Incredible Swchwarb? Score some goddamn fucking runs.
Or remember that 1/3 of the starting lineup are guys who made their major league debuts this season, and there's bound to be a few hiccups along the way.
I know all these things but that doesn't mean I'm pleased with it right this second.
Help might be on the way, not that the last 15 tells how they'd do in the next 15 but all I'm saying is this is what these guys were doing during the stretch the Cubs have been ice cold and having more good hitters would help balance out individual slumps. (takes breath)
Last 15 Games:Charlie Blackmon — .377/.441/.574
Jay Bruce — .333/.381/.649
Marlon Byrd — .274/.274/.516
Yoenis Cespedes — .288/.299/.545
Khris Davis — .333/.405/.848 (!?)
Jeff Francoeur — .273/.314/.576
Carlos Gomez — .264/.409/.491
Cameron Maybin — .255/.288/.418
Gerardo Parra — .426/.484/.815 (!)
Josh Reddick — .250/.275/.333
Ben Revere — .333/.382/.373
Justin Upton — .148/.217/.259
Melvin Upton — .250/.333/.400
Will Venable — .167/.268/.306
Ben Zobrist — .264/.344/.340
Special SKO Edition:Welington Castillo — .260/.351/.380
Quote from: SKO on July 22, 2015, 01:34:19 PM
I think it is okay to want to the Cubs to make the playoffs for the first time in seven freaking years and to see that they have a golden opportunity to do so and that this offense being unable to hit for most of the season may very well keep them from taking advantage. It's okay to be upset about that.
Maybe the run never materializes next year? Having young promising hitters doesn't mean the Cubs control Jake Arrieta for more than the next two years or that Jon Lester will be good for more than the next couple of years, or that no one will get hurt, or no one will regress in horrendous fashion like Starlin. Maybe this is the best shot they're going to have, so if this offense makes you want to yell loudly into your hat, do so.
I know I certainly hope the 2016-2017 Cubs are a juggernaut. I have reasons to believe they will be. I have no proof, though. Right now I know they hold down a playoff spot but that probably isn't going to last if they can't start hitting, and it's been long enough without them hitting that you can't just handwave it away and say Bah, it's gonna happen.
It's frustrating. Let it be frustrating. We're only human
I think you're going to be frustrated regardless of what people say to convince you otherwise, and the hand wavers are going to continue to handwave regardless of your bellyaching. We're kind of going in circles here.
This particular game sucks butthole right now.
Quote from: SKO on July 22, 2015, 01:34:19 PM
I think it is okay to want to the Cubs to make the playoffs for the first time in seven freaking years and to see that they have a golden opportunity to do so and that this offense being unable to hit for most of the season may very well keep them from taking advantage. It's okay to be upset about that.
Maybe the run never materializes next year? Having young promising hitters doesn't mean the Cubs control Jake Arrieta for more than the next two years or that Jon Lester will be good for more than the next couple of years, or that no one will get hurt, or no one will regress in horrendous fashion like Starlin. Maybe this is the best shot they're going to have, so if this offense makes you want to yell loudly into your hat, do so.
I know I certainly hope the 2016-2017 Cubs are a juggernaut. I have reasons to believe they will be. I have no proof, though. Right now I know they hold down a playoff spot but that probably isn't going to last if they can't start hitting, and it's been long enough without them hitting that you can't just handwave it away and say Bah, it's gonna happen.
It's frustrating. Let it be frustrating. We're only human
Pretty much this. It's weird how everything thinks a collective switch is going to be flipped in 2016. Their improvement is going to come in different stages, at different paces or maybe not at all. I think it's unlikely that Russell goes from hitting well below average to suddenly becoming an .800-OPS middle infield monster. Certainly possible, but not an automatic.
2015 is a real year with a real shot at the playoffs and -- therefore -- a real shot at the World Series. I'm not sure why people seem eager to piss it away because of an assumption everyone will make a linear improvement all at once.
(And RV is right; this is circular bullshit. Certain people would still be preaching patience even if it's 2018 and nothing has happened.)
Quote from: SKO on July 22, 2015, 01:34:19 PM
I think it is okay to want to the Cubs to make the playoffs for the first time in seven freaking years and to see that they have a golden opportunity to do so and that this offense being unable to hit for most of the season may very well keep them from taking advantage. It's okay to be upset about that.
Maybe the run never materializes next year? Having young promising hitters doesn't mean the Cubs control Jake Arrieta for more than the next two years or that Jon Lester will be good for more than the next couple of years, or that no one will get hurt, or no one will regress in horrendous fashion like Starlin. Maybe this is the best shot they're going to have, so if this offense makes you want to yell loudly into your hat, do so.
I know I certainly hope the 2016-2017 Cubs are a juggernaut. I have reasons to believe they will be. I have no proof, though. Right now I know they hold down a playoff spot but that probably isn't going to last if they can't start hitting, and it's been long enough without them hitting that you can't just handwave it away and say Bah, it's gonna happen.
It's frustrating. Let it be frustrating. We're only human
The whole want to?
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 22, 2015, 01:46:38 PM
This particular game sucks butthole right now.
Damn it I hate the Reds. Let's get to the bumslaying I was promised during this stretch against bad teams already.
Quote from: Eli on July 22, 2015, 01:47:59 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 22, 2015, 01:34:19 PM
I think it is okay to want to the Cubs to make the playoffs for the first time in seven freaking years and to see that they have a golden opportunity to do so and that this offense being unable to hit for most of the season may very well keep them from taking advantage. It's okay to be upset about that.
Maybe the run never materializes next year? Having young promising hitters doesn't mean the Cubs control Jake Arrieta for more than the next two years or that Jon Lester will be good for more than the next couple of years, or that no one will get hurt, or no one will regress in horrendous fashion like Starlin. Maybe this is the best shot they're going to have, so if this offense makes you want to yell loudly into your hat, do so.
I know I certainly hope the 2016-2017 Cubs are a juggernaut. I have reasons to believe they will be. I have no proof, though. Right now I know they hold down a playoff spot but that probably isn't going to last if they can't start hitting, and it's been long enough without them hitting that you can't just handwave it away and say Bah, it's gonna happen.
It's frustrating. Let it be frustrating. We're only human
Pretty much this. It's weird how everything thinks a collective switch is going to be flipped in 2016. Their improvement is going to come in different stages, at different paces or maybe not at all. I think it's unlikely that Russell goes from hitting well below average to suddenly becoming an .800-OPS middle infield monster. Certainly possible, but not an automatic.
2015 is a real year with a real shot at the playoffs and -- therefore -- a real shot at the World Series. I'm not sure why people seem eager to piss it away because of an assumption everyone will make a linear improvement all at once.
(And RV is right; this is circular bullshit. Certain people would still be preaching patience even if it's 2018 and nothing has happened.)
The improvement doesn't need to be linear and simultaneous. You just need Rizzo to be Rizzo, 1 or 2 guys (Bryant & Schwarber?) to become .850ish OPS guys, and 1 or 2 guys (Addison & Soler?) to put up let's say slightly above average production at their positions. Add a couple of league average veterans and you've got a middling to above average offense. Far from guaranteed, but I'd put the over/under at greater than 50% of that happening next year.
But I'm a wishy-washy buttpuddle who jumps back and forth between both sides of this argument.
Meanwhile back at the ranch (you might want to look away)...
Kris Bryant — .182/.308/.400
Starlin Castro — .109/.138/.127 (holy shit, that's Alexei Ramirez bad)
Chris Coghlan — .209/.306/.326
Chris Denorfia — .250/.308/.306
Dexter Fowler — .250/.373/.286
Jonathan Herrera — .303/.324/.455
Tommy La Stella — Dead
Miguel Montero — .180/.255/.260
Anthony Rizzo — .229/.391/.292
David Ross — .154/.250/.205
Addison Russell — .190/.306/.214
Kyle Fucking Schwarber, Fuck You — .390/.419/.707
Jorge Soler — .228/.267/.351
Taylor Teagarden - Who/Cares/He Sucks
There's a whole lot of due-for-correction in there. Trying to find the positive where I can.
Quote from: Eli on July 22, 2015, 01:47:59 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 22, 2015, 01:34:19 PM
I think it is okay to want to the Cubs to make the playoffs for the first time in seven freaking years and to see that they have a golden opportunity to do so and that this offense being unable to hit for most of the season may very well keep them from taking advantage. It's okay to be upset about that.
Maybe the run never materializes next year? Having young promising hitters doesn't mean the Cubs control Jake Arrieta for more than the next two years or that Jon Lester will be good for more than the next couple of years, or that no one will get hurt, or no one will regress in horrendous fashion like Starlin. Maybe this is the best shot they're going to have, so if this offense makes you want to yell loudly into your hat, do so.
I know I certainly hope the 2016-2017 Cubs are a juggernaut. I have reasons to believe they will be. I have no proof, though. Right now I know they hold down a playoff spot but that probably isn't going to last if they can't start hitting, and it's been long enough without them hitting that you can't just handwave it away and say Bah, it's gonna happen.
It's frustrating. Let it be frustrating. We're only human
Pretty much this. It's weird how everything thinks a collective switch is going to be flipped in 2016. Their improvement is going to come in different stages, at different paces or maybe not at all. I think it's unlikely that Russell goes from hitting well below average to suddenly becoming an .800-OPS middle infield monster. Certainly possible, but not an automatic.
2015 is a real year with a real shot at the playoffs and -- therefore -- a real shot at the World Series. I'm not sure why people seem eager to piss it away because of an assumption everyone will make a linear improvement all at once.
(And RV is right; this is circular bullshit. Certain people would still be preaching patience even if it's 2018 and nothing has happened.)
No switch needs to be flipped. We're seeing a huge improvement over last season, which was an improvement over the year before. Maybe the cake isn't fully baked yet, but the kitchen sure as hell smells better than it did.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 22, 2015, 02:15:27 PM
No switch needs to be flipped. We're seeing a huge improvement over last season, which was an improvement over the year before. Maybe the cake isn't fully baked yet, but the kitchen sure as hell smells better than it did.
Improvement over seasons where they were
intentionally bad doesn't really mean a lot.
Quote from: Eli on July 22, 2015, 03:03:23 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 22, 2015, 02:15:27 PM
No switch needs to be flipped. We're seeing a huge improvement over last season, which was an improvement over the year before. Maybe the cake isn't fully baked yet, but the kitchen sure as hell smells better than it did.
Improvement over seasons where they were intentionally bad isn't really a sign of something.
The best part is the offense isn't really hugely improved over last season. The raw talent level, sure, but production wise there's barely a difference. They're being carried right now by a dominant top of the rotation that could absolutely make noise in the postseason but is anchored by two pitchers who will both be in their 30s next year and may never repeat this performance. Would make a lot of sense to try everything they can, including overpaying for a rental like Cespedes or something, in order to try and get that Arrieta/Lester/Career Year Hammel top of the order into the postseason. Or just hope they'll all be better next year. Either one.
Quote from: SKO on July 22, 2015, 03:06:05 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 22, 2015, 03:03:23 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 22, 2015, 02:15:27 PM
No switch needs to be flipped. We're seeing a huge improvement over last season, which was an improvement over the year before. Maybe the cake isn't fully baked yet, but the kitchen sure as hell smells better than it did.
Improvement over seasons where they were intentionally bad isn't really a sign of something.
The best part is the offense isn't really hugely improved over last season. The raw talent level, sure, but production wise there's barely a difference. They're being carried right now by a dominant top of the rotation that could absolutely make noise in the postseason but is anchored by two pitchers who will both be in their 30s next year and may never repeat this performance. Would make a lot of sense to try everything they can, including overpaying for a rental like Cespedes or something, in order to try and get that Arrieta/Lester/Career Year Hammel top of the order into the postseason. Or just hope they'll all be better next year. Either one.
Fine so who's off limits?
Bryant
Rizzo
Arrieta
Who better bring back baseball baby Jesus?
Russell
Soler
Schwarber
Who can go for the right price?
Everybody else.
Do a trade. Anybody who disagrees is a strawman.
Who qualifies as a baseball baby Jesus? If you include Cole Hamels, fuck you. Get out of my life.
Quote from: SKO on July 22, 2015, 03:06:05 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 22, 2015, 03:03:23 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 22, 2015, 02:15:27 PM
No switch needs to be flipped. We're seeing a huge improvement over last season, which was an improvement over the year before. Maybe the cake isn't fully baked yet, but the kitchen sure as hell smells better than it did.
Improvement over seasons where they were intentionally bad isn't really a sign of something.
The best part is the offense isn't really hugely improved over last season. The raw talent level, sure, but production wise there's barely a difference. They're being carried right now by a dominant top of the rotation that could absolutely make noise in the postseason but is anchored by two pitchers who will both be in their 30s next year and may never repeat this performance. Would make a lot of sense to try everything they can, including overpaying for a rental like Cespedes or something, in order to try and get that Arrieta/Lester/Career Year Hammel top of the order into the postseason. Or just hope they'll all be better next year. Either one.
Well, nothing is fucked here. But they really should not be losing games to the Reds...I mean any 4 game series that includes two games played in one day would be difficult to sweep against anyone, but I just find it disheartening the way the Cubs offense is performing. It's not like they lost 5-4 and they battled back and forth and there was good baseball being played...it's losing 9-1 to the Reds and no one is making good contact but the rookie catcher they just called up.
This, I guess, is what happens when all the highly revered prospects are called up at the same general time in the organization's development...the lulls of the individuals can coincide with each other. I just don't see very many adjustments being made at the plate and that is just kind of a bummer.
Still, this team is ahead of where I thought it would be. And I think them playing above .500 for most of the year then going through this funk kind of hurts my butt meats. That's all.
Quote from: Eli on July 22, 2015, 03:03:23 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 22, 2015, 02:15:27 PM
No switch needs to be flipped. We're seeing a huge improvement over last season, which was an improvement over the year before. Maybe the cake isn't fully baked yet, but the kitchen sure as hell smells better than it did.
Improvement over seasons where they were intentionally bad doesn't really mean a lot.
Except for the fact that they went from intentionally bad to intentionally good, and they're...good.
If you want them to go from being a barrel of suck to a World Series contender while the team is still not 100% assembled for such a run, be my guest. But you're going to be frustrated for no good reason.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 22, 2015, 03:44:01 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 22, 2015, 03:03:23 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 22, 2015, 02:15:27 PM
No switch needs to be flipped. We're seeing a huge improvement over last season, which was an improvement over the year before. Maybe the cake isn't fully baked yet, but the kitchen sure as hell smells better than it did.
Improvement over seasons where they were intentionally bad doesn't really mean a lot.
Except for the fact that they went from intentionally bad to intentionally good, and they're...good.
If you want them to go from being a barrel of suck to a World Series contender while the team is still not 100% assembled for such a run, be my guest. But you're going to be frustrated for no good reason.
They're in a perfect spot to make the playoffs. After that, it's a crapshoot -- which means they're a World Series contender. That means they're pretty much assembled by this point. Your own low expectations don't change that.
Quote from: Eli on July 22, 2015, 04:01:22 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 22, 2015, 03:44:01 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 22, 2015, 03:03:23 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 22, 2015, 02:15:27 PM
No switch needs to be flipped. We're seeing a huge improvement over last season, which was an improvement over the year before. Maybe the cake isn't fully baked yet, but the kitchen sure as hell smells better than it did.
Improvement over seasons where they were intentionally bad doesn't really mean a lot.
Except for the fact that they went from intentionally bad to intentionally good, and they're...good.
If you want them to go from being a barrel of suck to a World Series contender while the team is still not 100% assembled for such a run, be my guest. But you're going to be frustrated for no good reason.
They're in a perfect spot to make the playoffs. After that, it's a crapshoot -- which means they're a World Series contender. That means they're pretty much assembled by this point. Your own low expectations don't change that.
The Germans felt the same way in '33.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 22, 2015, 03:13:06 PM
Well, nothing is fucked here. But they really should not be losing games to the Reds.
Just pointing out that even after their ugly loss which seems to have gotten you unhinged that the Cubs have won 8 out of 12 contests against the Reds this year. That's pretty much about what we'd expect, no? 2 out of every 3 games against admittedly inferior opposition? Today was ugly, but it's just one goddamn game....wallow in your own crapulent anger like SKO is encouraging you to do, but I suggest putting a limit to it and letting it go....there's another game coming up in moments.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 22, 2015, 04:03:11 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 22, 2015, 04:01:22 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 22, 2015, 03:44:01 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 22, 2015, 03:03:23 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 22, 2015, 02:15:27 PM
No switch needs to be flipped. We're seeing a huge improvement over last season, which was an improvement over the year before. Maybe the cake isn't fully baked yet, but the kitchen sure as hell smells better than it did.
Improvement over seasons where they were intentionally bad doesn't really mean a lot.
Except for the fact that they went from intentionally bad to intentionally good, and they're...good.
If you want them to go from being a barrel of suck to a World Series contender while the team is still not 100% assembled for such a run, be my guest. But you're going to be frustrated for no good reason.
They're in a perfect spot to make the playoffs. After that, it's a crapshoot -- which means they're a World Series contender. That means they're pretty much assembled by this point. Your own low expectations don't change that.
The Germans felt the same way in '33.
Doubling down on that one, eh?
Quote from: Eli on July 22, 2015, 04:15:32 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 22, 2015, 04:03:11 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 22, 2015, 04:01:22 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 22, 2015, 03:44:01 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 22, 2015, 03:03:23 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 22, 2015, 02:15:27 PM
No switch needs to be flipped. We're seeing a huge improvement over last season, which was an improvement over the year before. Maybe the cake isn't fully baked yet, but the kitchen sure as hell smells better than it did.
Improvement over seasons where they were intentionally bad doesn't really mean a lot.
Except for the fact that they went from intentionally bad to intentionally good, and they're...good.
If you want them to go from being a barrel of suck to a World Series contender while the team is still not 100% assembled for such a run, be my guest. But you're going to be frustrated for no good reason.
They're in a perfect spot to make the playoffs. After that, it's a crapshoot -- which means they're a World Series contender. That means they're pretty much assembled by this point. Your own low expectations don't change that.
The Germans felt the same way in '33.
Doubling down on that one, eh?
It's got to work somewhere.
Can we get a new third-base coach? Tough to score runs when you send runners you shouldn't...and hold them when you should (the series in NY). Fucking awful.
DPD. Taylor fucking Teaparty!!!111!!!!!!!
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 22, 2015, 08:31:10 PM
Can we get a new third-base coach? Tough to score runs when you send runners you shouldn't...and hold them when you should (the series in NY). Fucking awful.
I thought the same thing for a split second (hold him up and go for a sac fly!), then realized that they were facing the pitcher who generates more swings & miss/strikeouts than anyone else and their offense is basically one big syphilis colony right now. You should think about stuff before you type it in to the computer.
TAYLOR TEAGARDEN!
Quote from: Eli on July 22, 2015, 04:01:22 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 22, 2015, 03:44:01 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 22, 2015, 03:03:23 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 22, 2015, 02:15:27 PM
No switch needs to be flipped. We're seeing a huge improvement over last season, which was an improvement over the year before. Maybe the cake isn't fully baked yet, but the kitchen sure as hell smells better than it did.
Improvement over seasons where they were intentionally bad doesn't really mean a lot.
Except for the fact that they went from intentionally bad to intentionally good, and they're...good.
If you want them to go from being a barrel of suck to a World Series contender while the team is still not 100% assembled for such a run, be my guest. But you're going to be frustrated for no good reason.
They're in a perfect spot to make the playoffs. After that, it's a crapshoot -- which means they're a World Series contender. That means they're pretty much assembled by this point. Your own low expectations don't change that.
My expectation is that the Cubs should be a good team. They are. Once guys like Bryant, Russell, Soler et al. get a few more miles under their tires and they get that one more stud starting pitcher they'll be a great one. Doesn't mean they're one yet.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 22, 2015, 10:26:08 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 22, 2015, 08:31:10 PM
Can we get a new third-base coach? Tough to score runs when you send runners you shouldn't...and hold them when you should (the series in NY). Fucking awful.
I thought the same thing for a split second (hold him up and go for a sac fly!), then realized that they were facing the pitcher who generates more swings & miss/strikeouts than anyone else and their offense is basically one big syphilis colony right now. You should think about stuff before you type it in to the computer.
I'm with Dickens on this. People were going nuts about the send on Twitter. KILL GARY JONES.
But when you have a chance to score vs. Chapman you make that OF throw a guy out. I'm fine with it.
Quote from: Slaky on July 23, 2015, 09:04:23 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 22, 2015, 10:26:08 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 22, 2015, 08:31:10 PM
Can we get a new third-base coach? Tough to score runs when you send runners you shouldn't...and hold them when you should (the series in NY). Fucking awful.
I thought the same thing for a split second (hold him up and go for a sac fly!), then realized that they were facing the pitcher who generates more swings & miss/strikeouts than anyone else and their offense is basically one big syphilis colony right now. You should think about stuff before you type it in to the computer.
I'm with Dickens on this. People were going nuts about the send on Twitter. KILL GARY JONES.
But when you have a chance to score vs. Chapman you make that OF throw a guy out. I'm fine with it.
My initial reaction was rage against Fowler just because he's erased nearly every bit of goodwill I ever had for him as the guy that started his splooge thread with all of the fucking TOOTBLANs. Then RV pointed out the third base coach made the call, and then the second they IBB'd Soler to get to Teagarden I realized Joe probably foresaw all of this. The odds of a bad throw/dropped ball by the catcher in that situation are much higher than the odds that Taylor Teagarden would get that hit. It was an acceptable call.
Quote from: Slaky on July 23, 2015, 09:04:23 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 22, 2015, 10:26:08 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 22, 2015, 08:31:10 PM
Can we get a new third-base coach? Tough to score runs when you send runners you shouldn't...and hold them when you should (the series in NY). Fucking awful.
I thought the same thing for a split second (hold him up and go for a sac fly!), then realized that they were facing the pitcher who generates more swings & miss/strikeouts than anyone else and their offense is basically one big syphilis colony right now. You should think about stuff before you type it in to the computer.
I'm with Dickens on this. People were going nuts about the send on Twitter. KILL GARY JONES.
But when you have a chance to score vs. Chapman you make that OF throw a guy out. I'm fine with it.
JD said the same thing on the broadcast. Took a good throw and a shaky but effective play by a PANK at catcher to cut Fowler down. I love people with their 20/20 hindsight second guessing plays that didn't work on the internet. Then Maddon was a genius for pushing all the right buttons with guys hitting below their weight for the past two weeks and got a seeing-eye single and a gork to win it. You win some, you lose some. Don't be an idito.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 23, 2015, 10:16:42 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 23, 2015, 09:04:23 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 22, 2015, 10:26:08 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 22, 2015, 08:31:10 PM
Can we get a new third-base coach? Tough to score runs when you send runners you shouldn't...and hold them when you should (the series in NY). Fucking awful.
I thought the same thing for a split second (hold him up and go for a sac fly!), then realized that they were facing the pitcher who generates more swings & miss/strikeouts than anyone else and their offense is basically one big syphilis colony right now. You should think about stuff before you type it in to the computer.
I'm with Dickens on this. People were going nuts about the send on Twitter. KILL GARY JONES.
But when you have a chance to score vs. Chapman you make that OF throw a guy out. I'm fine with it.
JD said the same thing on the broadcast. Took a good throw and a shaky but effective play by a PANK at catcher to cut Fowler down. I love people with their 20/20 hindsight second guessing plays that didn't work on the internet. Then Maddon was a genius for pushing all the right buttons with guys hitting below their weight for the past two weeks and got a seeing-eye single and a gork to win it. You win some, you lose some. Don't be an idito.
Is this seeing-eye single the Bryant 2 RBI single that he fucking smoked right by the SS? Because that thing was hammered, hoss.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 23, 2015, 10:24:23 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 23, 2015, 10:16:42 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 23, 2015, 09:04:23 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 22, 2015, 10:26:08 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 22, 2015, 08:31:10 PM
Can we get a new third-base coach? Tough to score runs when you send runners you shouldn't...and hold them when you should (the series in NY). Fucking awful.
I thought the same thing for a split second (hold him up and go for a sac fly!), then realized that they were facing the pitcher who generates more swings & miss/strikeouts than anyone else and their offense is basically one big syphilis colony right now. You should think about stuff before you type it in to the computer.
I'm with Dickens on this. People were going nuts about the send on Twitter. KILL GARY JONES.
But when you have a chance to score vs. Chapman you make that OF throw a guy out. I'm fine with it.
JD said the same thing on the broadcast. Took a good throw and a shaky but effective play by a PANK at catcher to cut Fowler down. I love people with their 20/20 hindsight second guessing plays that didn't work on the internet. Then Maddon was a genius for pushing all the right buttons with guys hitting below their weight for the past two weeks and got a seeing-eye single and a gork to win it. You win some, you lose some. Don't be an idito.
Is this seeing-eye single the Bryant 2 RBI single that he fucking smoked right by the SS? Because that thing was hammered, hoss.
Yeah I get that it was on the ground and went where they ain't but he put a good swing on it. It was a good AB.
Quote from: SKO on July 23, 2015, 09:08:23 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 23, 2015, 09:04:23 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 22, 2015, 10:26:08 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 22, 2015, 08:31:10 PM
Can we get a new third-base coach? Tough to score runs when you send runners you shouldn't...and hold them when you should (the series in NY). Fucking awful.
I thought the same thing for a split second (hold him up and go for a sac fly!), then realized that they were facing the pitcher who generates more swings & miss/strikeouts than anyone else and their offense is basically one big syphilis colony right now. You should think about stuff before you type it in to the computer.
I'm with Dickens on this. People were going nuts about the send on Twitter. KILL GARY JONES.
But when you have a chance to score vs. Chapman you make that OF throw a guy out. I'm fine with it.
My initial reaction was rage against Fowler just because he's erased nearly every bit of goodwill I ever had for him as the guy that started his splooge thread with all of the fucking TOOTBLANs. Then RV pointed out the third base coach made the call, and then the second they IBB'd Soler to get to Teagarden I realized Joe probably foresaw all of this. The odds of a bad throw/dropped ball by the catcher in that situation are much higher than the odds that Taylor Teagarden would get that hit. It was an acceptable call.
It was Marlon Fucking Byrd. I'd run on the pudgy little fat old prick 100 times out of 100. Good on him for making a decent 1-hop throw but he still fucking sucks and I'd never not run on that fucking hydrant.
Quote from: SKO on July 23, 2015, 10:29:13 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 23, 2015, 10:24:23 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 23, 2015, 10:16:42 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 23, 2015, 09:04:23 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 22, 2015, 10:26:08 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 22, 2015, 08:31:10 PM
Can we get a new third-base coach? Tough to score runs when you send runners you shouldn't...and hold them when you should (the series in NY). Fucking awful.
I thought the same thing for a split second (hold him up and go for a sac fly!), then realized that they were facing the pitcher who generates more swings & miss/strikeouts than anyone else and their offense is basically one big syphilis colony right now. You should think about stuff before you type it in to the computer.
I'm with Dickens on this. People were going nuts about the send on Twitter. KILL GARY JONES.
But when you have a chance to score vs. Chapman you make that OF throw a guy out. I'm fine with it.
JD said the same thing on the broadcast. Took a good throw and a shaky but effective play by a PANK at catcher to cut Fowler down. I love people with their 20/20 hindsight second guessing plays that didn't work on the internet. Then Maddon was a genius for pushing all the right buttons with guys hitting below their weight for the past two weeks and got a seeing-eye single and a gork to win it. You win some, you lose some. Don't be an idito.
Is this seeing-eye single the Bryant 2 RBI single that he fucking smoked right by the SS? Because that thing was hammered, hoss.
Yeah I get that it was on the ground and went where they ain't but he put a good swing on it. It was a good AB.
I just looked at it again. Yep. He hit it hard.
Quote from: SKO on July 23, 2015, 09:08:23 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 23, 2015, 09:04:23 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 22, 2015, 10:26:08 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 22, 2015, 08:31:10 PM
Can we get a new third-base coach? Tough to score runs when you send runners you shouldn't...and hold them when you should (the series in NY). Fucking awful.
I thought the same thing for a split second (hold him up and go for a sac fly!), then realized that they were facing the pitcher who generates more swings & miss/strikeouts than anyone else and their offense is basically one big syphilis colony right now. You should think about stuff before you type it in to the computer.
I'm with Dickens on this. People were going nuts about the send on Twitter. KILL GARY JONES.
But when you have a chance to score vs. Chapman you make that OF throw a guy out. I'm fine with it.
My initial reaction was rage against Fowler just because he's erased nearly every bit of goodwill I ever had for him as the guy that started his splooge thread with all of the fucking TOOTBLANs. Then RV pointed out the third base coach made the call, and then the second they IBB'd Soler to get to Teagarden I realized Joe probably foresaw all of this. The odds of a bad throw/dropped ball by the catcher in that situation are much higher than the odds that Taylor Teagarden would get that hit. It was an acceptable call.
I thought it was crazy from the moment Fowler kept running. Byrd had the ball when Fowler was still a step of two from touching third.
It was basically the World Series situation redux. I thought the right play was to hold the runner then.
I'm also unconvinced that the Reds give Jorge the IBB if it's 1st and 3rd with one out. I also think that a big league OF makes an accurate enough throw from that relatively short distance 85%+ of the time, and Jorge is going to put the ball in play more than 15% of the time.
I still think the hold is the right decision from the perspective of maximizing win probability, just as it was for the Royals in Game 7.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 23, 2015, 10:42:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 23, 2015, 09:08:23 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 23, 2015, 09:04:23 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 22, 2015, 10:26:08 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 22, 2015, 08:31:10 PM
Can we get a new third-base coach? Tough to score runs when you send runners you shouldn't...and hold them when you should (the series in NY). Fucking awful.
I thought the same thing for a split second (hold him up and go for a sac fly!), then realized that they were facing the pitcher who generates more swings & miss/strikeouts than anyone else and their offense is basically one big syphilis colony right now. You should think about stuff before you type it in to the computer.
I'm with Dickens on this. People were going nuts about the send on Twitter. KILL GARY JONES.
But when you have a chance to score vs. Chapman you make that OF throw a guy out. I'm fine with it.
My initial reaction was rage against Fowler just because he's erased nearly every bit of goodwill I ever had for him as the guy that started his splooge thread with all of the fucking TOOTBLANs. Then RV pointed out the third base coach made the call, and then the second they IBB'd Soler to get to Teagarden I realized Joe probably foresaw all of this. The odds of a bad throw/dropped ball by the catcher in that situation are much higher than the odds that Taylor Teagarden would get that hit. It was an acceptable call.
I thought it was crazy from the moment Fowler kept running. Byrd had the ball when Fowler was still a step of two from touching third.
It was basically the World Series situation redux. I thought the right play was to hold the runner then.
I'm also unconvinced that the Reds give Jorge the IBB if it's 1st and 3rd with one out. I also think that a big league OF makes an accurate enough throw from that relatively short distance 85%+ of the time, and Jorge is going to put the ball in play more than 15% of the time.
I still think the hold is the right decision from the perspective of maximizing win probability, just as it was for the Royals in Game 7.
You lost me when you compared last night's game to game seven of the world series.
Quote from: Slaky on July 23, 2015, 10:51:41 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 23, 2015, 10:42:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 23, 2015, 09:08:23 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 23, 2015, 09:04:23 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 22, 2015, 10:26:08 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 22, 2015, 08:31:10 PM
Can we get a new third-base coach? Tough to score runs when you send runners you shouldn't...and hold them when you should (the series in NY). Fucking awful.
I thought the same thing for a split second (hold him up and go for a sac fly!), then realized that they were facing the pitcher who generates more swings & miss/strikeouts than anyone else and their offense is basically one big syphilis colony right now. You should think about stuff before you type it in to the computer.
I'm with Dickens on this. People were going nuts about the send on Twitter. KILL GARY JONES.
But when you have a chance to score vs. Chapman you make that OF throw a guy out. I'm fine with it.
My initial reaction was rage against Fowler just because he's erased nearly every bit of goodwill I ever had for him as the guy that started his splooge thread with all of the fucking TOOTBLANs. Then RV pointed out the third base coach made the call, and then the second they IBB'd Soler to get to Teagarden I realized Joe probably foresaw all of this. The odds of a bad throw/dropped ball by the catcher in that situation are much higher than the odds that Taylor Teagarden would get that hit. It was an acceptable call.
I thought it was crazy from the moment Fowler kept running. Byrd had the ball when Fowler was still a step of two from touching third.
It was basically the World Series situation redux. I thought the right play was to hold the runner then.
I'm also unconvinced that the Reds give Jorge the IBB if it's 1st and 3rd with one out. I also think that a big league OF makes an accurate enough throw from that relatively short distance 85%+ of the time, and Jorge is going to put the ball in play more than 15% of the time.
I still think the hold is the right decision from the perspective of maximizing win probability, just as it was for the Royals in Game 7.
You lost me when you compared last night's game to game seven of the world series.
playing a game against the Reds in July as if it's Game 7 of the World Series is PLAYING THE RIGHT WAY.
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Can we get a new third-base coach? Tough to score runs when you send runners you shouldn't...and hold them when you should (the series in NY). Fucking awful.
I thought the same thing for a split second (hold him up and go for a sac fly!), then realized that they were facing the pitcher who generates more swings & miss/strikeouts than anyone else and their offense is basically one big syphilis colony right now. You should think about stuff before you type it in to the computer.
I'm with Dickens on this. People were going nuts about the send on Twitter. KILL GARY JONES.
But when you have a chance to score vs. Chapman you make that OF throw a guy out. I'm fine with it.
My initial reaction was rage against Fowler just because he's erased nearly every bit of goodwill I ever had for him as the guy that started his splooge thread with all of the fucking TOOTBLANs. Then RV pointed out the third base coach made the call, and then the second they IBB'd Soler to get to Teagarden I realized Joe probably foresaw all of this. The odds of a bad throw/dropped ball by the catcher in that situation are much higher than the odds that Taylor Teagarden would get that hit. It was an acceptable call.
I thought it was crazy from the moment Fowler kept running. Byrd had the ball when Fowler was still a step of two from touching third.
It was basically the World Series situation redux. I thought the right play was to hold the runner then.
I'm also unconvinced that the Reds give Jorge the IBB if it's 1st and 3rd with one out. I also think that a big league OF makes an accurate enough throw from that relatively short distance 85%+ of the time, and Jorge is going to put the ball in play more than 15% of the time.
I still think the hold is the right decision from the perspective of maximizing win probability, just as it was for the Royals in Game 7.
You lost me when you compared last night's game to game seven of the world series.
Is it because Game 7 of the World Series wasn't played in Pittsburgh?
Three runs against Jerome Williams of all people, who came in sporting a 6.43 ERA. Score some damn runs against these garbage teams.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 24, 2015, 06:24:13 PM
Three runs against Jerome Williams of all people, who came in sporting a 6.43 ERA. Score some damn runs against these garbage teams.
Afuckingmen.
Fuck you.
Stop chasing that shit in the dirt. All of you. Stop it.
New thread title for managing expectations as they get swept by the worst team in baseball! DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 25, 2015, 05:52:21 PM
New thread title for managing expectations as they get swept by the worst team in baseball! DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM.
At home.
Hello darkness my old friend...
Quote from: SKO on July 30, 2015, 08:58:56 PM
Hello darkness my old friend...
I've come to K with you again my friend...
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 30, 2015, 09:18:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 30, 2015, 08:58:56 PM
Hello darkness my old friend...
I've come to K with you again my friend...
Not only are you an annoying troll, but you can't even do song parodies correctly. Why would you add "my friend"? Do you even know the song to which SKO was alluding? My god, you weren't even participating in a song parody, were you?
Quote from: PANK! on July 30, 2015, 09:45:23 PM
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Quote from: SKO on July 30, 2015, 08:58:56 PM
Hello darkness my old friend...
I've come to K with you again my friend...
Not only are you an annoying troll, but you can't even do song parodies correctly. Why would you add "my friend"? Do you even know the song to which SKO was alluding? My god, you weren't even participating in a song parody, were you?
to be fair, isn't the next lyric, "I've come to talk with you again."
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Quote from: SKO on July 30, 2015, 08:58:56 PM
Hello darkness my old friend...
I've come to K with you again my friend...
Not only are you an annoying troll, but you can't even do song parodies correctly. Why would you add "my friend"? Do you even know the song to which SKO was alluding? My god, you weren't even participating in a song parody, were you?
to be fair, isn't the next lyric, "I've come to talk with you again."
Yeah but the extra "my friend" he added at the end was wrong. Either way it's fitting he fucked it up because Tony shut us up anyway.
*Bursts into thread and Tommy-guns everyone to death*
Quote from: CT III on August 13, 2015, 04:03:57 PM
*Bursts into thread and Tommy-guns everyone to death*
We're all creations of your imagination, CT.
Quote from: ChuckD on August 13, 2015, 04:29:35 PM
Quote from: CT III on August 13, 2015, 04:03:57 PM
*Bursts into thread and Tommy-guns everyone to death*
We're all creations of your imagination, CT.
*Camera pans back from screen to reveal that the entire internet is inside a snow globe held by CT.*
/thread
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*Bursts into thread and Tommy-guns everyone to death*
We're all creations of your imagination, CT.
*Camera pans back from screen to reveal that the entire internet is inside a snow globe held by CT.*
Who is laying in bed next to Suzanne Pleshette
Quote from: thehawk on April 06, 2016, 11:02:59 AM
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*Bursts into thread and Tommy-guns everyone to death*
We're all creations of your imagination, CT.
*Camera pans back from screen to reveal that the entire internet is inside a snow globe held by CT.*
Who is laying in bed next to Suzanne Pleshette
While "Don't Stop Believing" is playing before the screen goes black.
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*Bursts into thread and Tommy-guns everyone to death*
We're all creations of your imagination, CT.
*Camera pans back from screen to reveal that the entire internet is inside a snow globe held by CT.*
Who is laying in bed next to Suzanne Pleshette
While "Don't Stop Believing" is playing before the screen goes black.
No Fork.
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*Bursts into thread and Tommy-guns everyone to death*
We're all creations of your imagination, CT.
*Camera pans back from screen to reveal that the entire internet is inside a snow globe held by CT.*
Who is laying in bed next to Suzanne Pleshette
While "Don't Stop Believing" is playing before the screen goes black.
No Fork.
*Freeze frame*
Theme from "The A-Team" plays.
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*Bursts into thread and Tommy-guns everyone to death*
We're all creations of your imagination, CT.
*Camera pans back from screen to reveal that the entire internet is inside a snow globe held by CT.*
Who is laying in bed next to Suzanne Pleshette
While "Don't Stop Believing" is playing before the screen goes black.
No Fork.
*Freeze frame*
Theme from "The A-Team" plays.
I used to kill with that song on the cornet back in the day.
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*Bursts into thread and Tommy-guns everyone to death*
We're all creations of your imagination, CT.
*Camera pans back from screen to reveal that the entire internet is inside a snow globe held by CT.*
Who is laying in bed next to Suzanne Pleshette
While "Don't Stop Believing" is playing before the screen goes black.
No Fork.
*Freeze frame*
Theme from "The A-Team" plays.
I used to kill with that song on the cornet back in the day.
No, you didn't.
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*Bursts into thread and Tommy-guns everyone to death*
We're all creations of your imagination, CT.
*Camera pans back from screen to reveal that the entire internet is inside a snow globe held by CT.*
Who is laying in bed next to Suzanne Pleshette
While "Don't Stop Believing" is playing before the screen goes black.
No Fork.
*Freeze frame*
Theme from "The A-Team" plays.
I used to kill with that song on the cornet back in the day.
No, you didn't.
*checks the data*
Sorry, CT. Kurt is right.
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*Bursts into thread and Tommy-guns everyone to death*
We're all creations of your imagination, CT.
*Camera pans back from screen to reveal that the entire internet is inside a snow globe held by CT.*
Who is laying in bed next to Suzanne Pleshette
While "Don't Stop Believing" is playing before the screen goes black.
No Fork.
*Freeze frame*
Theme from "The A-Team" plays.
I used to kill with that song on the cornet back in the day.
No, you didn't.
*checks the data*
Sorry, CT. Kurt is right.
The data is the data.
So...about that 7.20 team era of Colorado's...
Quote from: J Rod on April 15, 2016, 03:17:08 PM
So...about that 7.20 team era of Colorado's...
Well, that ERA doesn't account for being away from Coors and facing a team that probably partied pretty hard after last night's sweep.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 15, 2016, 03:38:37 PM
Quote from: J Rod on April 15, 2016, 03:17:08 PM
So...about that 7.20 team era of Colorado's...
Well, that ERA doesn't account for being away from Coors and facing a team that probably partied pretty hard after last night's sweep.
The Cubs are 0-2 on Fridays. 8-0 on all other days. That's probably sustainable too if they only get drunj on teh Thursdays.
I hope they were saving today's runs for St. Louis.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on April 18, 2016, 12:38:54 AM
I hope they were saving today's runs for St. Louis.
Taking a series in Dogpatch with the back of the rotation would be something worth hoisting a frosty Old Style to.
Score some fucking runs.
For FUCKS sake, it's the damn Brewers. Last night they made a shitty 6.11 ERA pitcher look like fucking Cy Young last night and not much better tonight...
Fuck this week. Score some fucking runs in St. Louis.
Anybody else think Rizzo could use a breather? Right now he's late on everything.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 23, 2016, 10:19:21 AM
Anybody else think Rizzo could use a breather? Right now he's late on everything.
I don't understand--and am kind of annoyed by-- the refusal to give Tony a blow. I thought it was obvious last fall--his two homeruns off Kevin Siegrest notwithstanding-- that he was running on empty. I thought this was addressed in the offseason and he was going to get a rest. It's May 23rd and I don't know that he's had a day off yet, has he?
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 23, 2016, 10:19:21 AM
Anybody else think Rizzo could use a breather? Right now he's late on everything.
Potentially, but he does this from time to time. Red hot for 3-4 weeks, then a 2 week slump where he pops everything up, then red hot again. Had a 1.232 OPS in the first two weeks of May last year, then .227/.346/.455 for the last two weeks of the month, followed by a 1.036 OPS the first few weeks of June, then a .230/.294/.492 stretch to end the month. He's streaky, but given that he usually keeps drawing walks and hits the occasional moonshot even when he's struggling, oh well.
Quote from: SKO on May 23, 2016, 10:28:18 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 23, 2016, 10:19:21 AM
Anybody else think Rizzo could use a breather? Right now he's late on everything.
Potentially, but he does this from time to time. Red hot for 3-4 weeks, then a 2 week slump where he pops everything up, then red hot again. Had a 1.232 OPS in the first two weeks of May last year, then .227/.346/.455 for the last two weeks of the month, followed by a 1.036 OPS the first few weeks of June, then a .230/.294/.492 stretch to end the month. He's streaky, but given that he usually keeps drawing walks and hits the occasional moonshot even when he's struggling, oh well.
Hey they pinch ran for him and he got a few innings off last week. That should be enough rest for a strong young man.
Quote from: SKO on May 23, 2016, 10:28:18 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 23, 2016, 10:19:21 AM
Anybody else think Rizzo could use a breather? Right now he's late on everything.
Potentially, but he does this from time to time. Red hot for 3-4 weeks, then a 2 week slump where he pops everything up, then red hot again. Had a 1.232 OPS in the first two weeks of May last year, then .227/.346/.455 for the last two weeks of the month, followed by a 1.036 OPS the first few weeks of June, then a .230/.294/.492 stretch to end the month. He's streaky, but given that he usually keeps drawing walks and hits the occasional moonshot even when he's struggling, oh well.
Over his last 15 games he's 200/328/345. So hopefully he's due to eviscerate Cardinals pitching.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 23, 2016, 11:29:24 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 23, 2016, 10:28:18 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 23, 2016, 10:19:21 AM
Anybody else think Rizzo could use a breather? Right now he's late on everything.
Potentially, but he does this from time to time. Red hot for 3-4 weeks, then a 2 week slump where he pops everything up, then red hot again. Had a 1.232 OPS in the first two weeks of May last year, then .227/.346/.455 for the last two weeks of the month, followed by a 1.036 OPS the first few weeks of June, then a .230/.294/.492 stretch to end the month. He's streaky, but given that he usually keeps drawing walks and hits the occasional moonshot even when he's struggling, oh well.
Over his last 15 games he's 200/328/345. So hopefully he's due to eviscerate Cardinals pitching.
I'd like to see him take a hanging curveball from Wainwright into the bleachers in the first inning. If they lose to this dilapidated version of Wainwright I'm going to vomit up blood. Cardinals fans are all excited because he "found himself" and blanked the Rockies for 6 2/3 in his last start, I really, really want the Cubs to put that dream to bed fast.
Lucas Harrell. Jesus wept.
When it was 2-0 in the 8th I was about to bump this, but FFS, when the FUCK are these halfwits ever going to win a game with 3 runs? Seems like every game they lose is 4-3 or 5-3...
Score Some Fucking Runs, Bases Loaded With Nobody Out in the Ninth Inning Edition.
Seriously, I was at the last game this guy pitched against them and made him look like Cy FUCKING Young, and again they can't do fuckall against this nobody...
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on July 23, 2016, 07:36:36 PM
Seriously, I was at the last game this guy pitched against them and made him look like Cy FUCKING Young, and again they can't do fuckall against this nobody...
Maybe you should get liquored up and charge the mound on him, Ligue-style.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 23, 2016, 08:36:26 PM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on July 23, 2016, 07:36:36 PM
Seriously, I was at the last game this guy pitched against them and made him look like Cy FUCKING Young, and again they can't do fuckall against this nobody...
Maybe you should get liquored up and charge the mound on him, Ligue-style.
Kerm's best friend already did that.
Wow, having to bump this 2 games in a row against the shitty Brewers...makes me sad in the pants.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on July 24, 2016, 02:47:10 PM
Wow, having to bump this 2 games in a row against the shitty Brewers...makes me sad in the pants.
Perhaps you jumped the gun.
Quote from: Canadouche on July 24, 2016, 05:15:53 PM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on July 24, 2016, 02:47:10 PM
Wow, having to bump this 2 games in a row against the shitty Brewers...makes me sad in the pants.
Perhaps you jumped the gun.
Or it worked
Shields and Gonzalez, huh
Quote from: SKO on July 26, 2016, 07:33:01 PM
Shields and Gonzalez, huh
"Big Game" James and "Mostly Mediocre" Miguel Gonzalez are not to be trifled with.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 26, 2016, 08:16:06 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 26, 2016, 07:33:01 PM
Shields and Gonzalez, huh
"Big Game" James and "Mostly Mediocre" Miguel Gonzalez are not to be trifled with.
Tomorrow's Ranaudo, so I expect the Cubs to somehow score negative runs.
I fully expect the Gutless Assholes thread to be bumped if they perform tomorrow against that scrub like they did tonight.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on July 27, 2016, 12:08:48 AM
I fully expect the Gutless Assholes thread to be bumped if they perform tomorrow against that scrub like they did tonight.
The thread is dead
I guess all these players are bad now!!!
Quote from: Slaky on July 27, 2016, 09:45:31 AM
I guess all these players are bad now!!!
Epstink is terrible!
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 27, 2016, 11:21:04 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 27, 2016, 09:45:31 AM
I guess all these players are bad now!!!
Epstink is terrible!
Is Bryant for Shelby Miller still on the table?
It's like this week is a series of dares to see how many increasingly bad pitchers they can face and not do anything at all against before the vein in my head finally pops and I see the glorious white light
Quote from: SKO on July 27, 2016, 08:06:48 PM
It's like this week is a series of dares to see how many increasingly bad pitchers they can face and not do anything at all against before the vein in my head finally pops and I see the glorious white light
You left out giving up home runs to said bad pitchers.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 27, 2016, 08:34:52 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 27, 2016, 08:06:48 PM
It's like this week is a series of dares to see how many increasingly bad pitchers they can face and not do anything at all against before the vein in my head finally pops and I see the glorious white light
You left out giving up home runs to said bad pitchers.
I SEE GRANDPA. I'M COMING LORD
THANK YOU JAYSUS
I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they're tanking this game on purpose.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on August 11, 2016, 08:38:15 PM
I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they're tanking this game on purpose.
They didn't do a very good job of it.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 12, 2016, 08:54:27 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on August 11, 2016, 08:38:15 PM
I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they're tanking this game on purpose.
They didn't do a very good job of it.
I'm gonna assume he was referring to the tanking in regards to "starting Heyward/Coghlan/Ross back-to-back-to-back", because bitching about not scoring a run in the first five innings against Carlos Martinez is panicky even by my standards. Martinez is like the one guy they have who can actually pitch.
Quote from: SKO on August 12, 2016, 09:03:26 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 12, 2016, 08:54:27 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on August 11, 2016, 08:38:15 PM
I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they're tanking this game on purpose.
They didn't do a very good job of it.
I'm gonna assume he was referring to the tanking in regards to "starting Heyward/Coghlan/Ross back-to-back-to-back", because bitching about not scoring a run in the first five innings against Carlos Martinez is panicky even by my standards. Martinez is like the one guy they have who can actually pitch.
I wouldn't go that far.
Quote from: SKO on August 12, 2016, 09:03:26 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 12, 2016, 08:54:27 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on August 11, 2016, 08:38:15 PM
I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they're tanking this game on purpose.
They didn't do a very good job of it.
I'm gonna assume he was referring to the tanking in regards to "starting Heyward/Coghlan/Ross back-to-back-to-back", because bitching about not scoring a run in the first five innings against Carlos Martinez is panicky even by my standards. Martinez is like the one guy they have who can actually pitch.
I'm actually taking a day off from hating Coghlan today. Even if he still looks like a monkey trying to fuck a football when he's in the outfield.
Quote from: air2300 on August 12, 2016, 09:06:59 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 12, 2016, 09:03:26 AM
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Quote from: Armchair_QB on August 11, 2016, 08:38:15 PM
I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they're tanking this game on purpose.
They didn't do a very good job of it.
I'm gonna assume he was referring to the tanking in regards to "starting Heyward/Coghlan/Ross back-to-back-to-back", because bitching about not scoring a run in the first five innings against Carlos Martinez is panicky even by my standards. Martinez is like the one guy they have who can actually pitch.
I wouldn't go that far.
10 month absence to come in and pwn SKO. Nice
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 12, 2016, 08:54:27 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on August 11, 2016, 08:38:15 PM
I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they're tanking this game on purpose.
They didn't do a very good job of it.
Jepstink is terrible.
Quote from: Yeti on August 12, 2016, 10:13:46 AM
Quote from: air2300 on August 12, 2016, 09:06:59 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 12, 2016, 09:03:26 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 12, 2016, 08:54:27 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on August 11, 2016, 08:38:15 PM
I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they're tanking this game on purpose.
They didn't do a very good job of it.
I'm gonna assume he was referring to the tanking in regards to "starting Heyward/Coghlan/Ross back-to-back-to-back", because bitching about not scoring a run in the first five innings against Carlos Martinez is panicky even by my standards. Martinez is like the one guy they have who can actually pitch.
I wouldn't go that far.
10 month absence to come in and pwn SKO. Nice
Yes, I liked SKO being put in his place for applying some Law of Relative Histrionics to separate himself from the
real perspectiveless crazies.
Quote from: PANK! on August 12, 2016, 11:36:57 AM
Quote from: Yeti on August 12, 2016, 10:13:46 AM
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Quote from: SKO on August 12, 2016, 09:03:26 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 12, 2016, 08:54:27 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on August 11, 2016, 08:38:15 PM
I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they're tanking this game on purpose.
They didn't do a very good job of it.
I'm gonna assume he was referring to the tanking in regards to "starting Heyward/Coghlan/Ross back-to-back-to-back", because bitching about not scoring a run in the first five innings against Carlos Martinez is panicky even by my standards. Martinez is like the one guy they have who can actually pitch.
I wouldn't go that far.
10 month absence to come in and pwn SKO. Nice
Yes, I liked SKO being put in his place for applying some Law of Relative Histrionics to separate himself from the real perspectiveless crazies.
Oh I wasn't denying that I am one of the crazies, I was just saying that I'm kind of impressed if someone gets frustrated by something that didn't even bother me, simply because literally everything bothers me. I'm not gonna deny my histrionics. My histrionics are the best. A lot of people say that.
Quote from: SKO on August 12, 2016, 09:03:26 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 12, 2016, 08:54:27 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on August 11, 2016, 08:38:15 PM
I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they're tanking this game on purpose.
They didn't do a very good job of it.
I'm gonna assume he was referring to the tanking in regards to "starting Heyward/Coghlan/Ross back-to-back-to-back", because bitching about not scoring a run in the first five innings against Carlos Martinez is panicky even by my standards. Martinez is like the one guy they have who can actually pitch.
Yeah, I didn't do a real good job explaining that. It just felt like one of Dusty's getaway day games for some reason.
The only prob I have with this team besides some occasionally sketchy work from the bullpen is the real lack of killer instinct at times. I know I'm being anal about this, but FUCK ME this team's absolute horseshit when there's bases loaded and less than 2 outs. Like 4 times in the last week or so and they get fuckall...It's supposed to be considered a failure if you can only bring 1 run across in those situations, but lately they can't do shit. The other day when Rondon shit the bed against the Tards, I told a co-worker after they failed in the 7th to score shit with the bases juiced and no outs they were going to lose. Now I'm pretty sure no one here foresaw that epic meltdown, but still. They get a couple and go to the 8th with say a 5-1 stead of 3-1 lead and things are prob looking different. Tonight's 9th wouldn't have been so dramatic had they plated another run or 2 with bases loaded and 1 out in the 3rd either. I'm in no way saying they should get 2+ runs every time in these situations, but fuck have they been horrific lately at them. Also, let's add that while Wood's overall #'s are good, there's no way he should pitch any high-pressure situations the rest of the season if possible. He gives up a metric fuckton of HR's out of the small amount of hits he's given up.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 16, 2016, 11:51:48 PM
The only prob I have with this team besides some occasionally sketchy work from the bullpen is the real lack of killer instinct at times. I know I'm being anal about this, but FUCK ME this team's absolute horseshit when there's bases loaded and less than 2 outs. Like 4 times in the last week or so and they get fuckall...It's supposed to be considered a failure if you can only bring 1 run across in those situations, but lately they can't do shit. The other day when Rondon shit the bed against the Tards, I told a co-worker after they failed in the 7th to score shit with the bases juiced and no outs they were going to lose. Now I'm pretty sure no one here foresaw that epic meltdown, but still. They get a couple and go to the 8th with say a 5-1 stead of 3-1 lead and things are prob looking different. Tonight's 9th wouldn't have been so dramatic had they plated another run or 2 with bases loaded and 1 out in the 3rd either. I'm in no way saying they should get 2+ runs every time in these situations, but fuck have they been horrific lately at them. Also, let's add that while Wood's overall #'s are good, there's no way he should pitch any high-pressure situations the rest of the season if possible. He gives up a metric fuckton of HR's out of the small amount of hits he's given up.
WHY CAN'T THEY WIN ALL OF THE GAMES???!!!!????!!!!
This is a really, really good one, CT.
Quote from: air2300 on August 17, 2016, 08:15:25 AM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 16, 2016, 11:51:48 PM
The only prob I have with this team besides some occasionally sketchy work from the bullpen is the real lack of killer instinct at times. I know I'm being anal about this, but FUCK ME this team's absolute horseshit when there's bases loaded and less than 2 outs. Like 4 times in the last week or so and they get fuckall...It's supposed to be considered a failure if you can only bring 1 run across in those situations, but lately they can't do shit. The other day when Rondon shit the bed against the Tards, I told a co-worker after they failed in the 7th to score shit with the bases juiced and no outs they were going to lose. Now I'm pretty sure no one here foresaw that epic meltdown, but still. They get a couple and go to the 8th with say a 5-1 stead of 3-1 lead and things are prob looking different. Tonight's 9th wouldn't have been so dramatic had they plated another run or 2 with bases loaded and 1 out in the 3rd either. I'm in no way saying they should get 2+ runs every time in these situations, but fuck have they been horrific lately at them. Also, let's add that while Wood's overall #'s are good, there's no way he should pitch any high-pressure situations the rest of the season if possible. He gives up a metric fuckton of HR's out of the small amount of hits he's given up.
WHY CAN'T THEY WIN ALL OF THE GAMES???!!!!????!!!!
You should post more.
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Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 16, 2016, 11:51:48 PM
The only prob I have with this team besides some occasionally sketchy work from the bullpen is the real lack of killer instinct at times. I know I'm being anal about this, but FUCK ME this team's absolute horseshit when there's bases loaded and less than 2 outs. Like 4 times in the last week or so and they get fuckall...It's supposed to be considered a failure if you can only bring 1 run across in those situations, but lately they can't do shit. The other day when Rondon shit the bed against the Tards, I told a co-worker after they failed in the 7th to score shit with the bases juiced and no outs they were going to lose. Now I'm pretty sure no one here foresaw that epic meltdown, but still. They get a couple and go to the 8th with say a 5-1 stead of 3-1 lead and things are prob looking different. Tonight's 9th wouldn't have been so dramatic had they plated another run or 2 with bases loaded and 1 out in the 3rd either. I'm in no way saying they should get 2+ runs every time in these situations, but fuck have they been horrific lately at them. Also, let's add that while Wood's overall #'s are good, there's no way he should pitch any high-pressure situations the rest of the season if possible. He gives up a metric fuckton of HR's out of the small amount of hits he's given up.
Bases Loaded, 0 out: 14 PAs, .417/.357/.833/1.190
Bases Loaded, 1 out: 57 PAs, .283/.298/.435/.733
Bases Loaded, 2 out: 67 PAs, .267/.343/.400/.743
Bases Loaded, Overall: 138 PAs, .288/.326/.458/.784
Overall Batting Stats: 4623 PAs, .256/.345/.429/.774
It's almost as if they perform
better with the bases loaded
2016 OPS Ranks for Bases Loaded
1 STL .873
2 COL .865
3 CIN .853
4 SFG .835
5 LAD .823
6 HOU .812
7 CHC .784
2016 OPS Ranks for Bases Loaded, 0 Out
1 BAL 1.229
2 TOR 1.221
3 CHC 1.190
4 NYY 1.056
5 SFG 1.012
2016 OPS Ranks for Bases Loaded, 1 Out
1 STL 1.044
2 COL 1.032
3 LAD .979
4 WSN .958
5 PIT .909
6 HOU .881
7 NYM .877
8 SFG .874
9 BAL .871
10 SEA .828
11 PHI .817
12 LAA .815
13 NYY .789
14 MIA .778
15 KCR .736
16 CHC .733
2016 OPS Ranks for Bases Loaded, 2 Out
1 CIN 1.057
2 OAK .852
3 TEX .837
4 DET .754
5 HOU .752
6 CHC .743
Well, they're ranked 16th in BL, 1 Out, so no World Series, I guess.
(That fucking devil magic, tho)
Quote from: Yeti on August 17, 2016, 08:52:57 AM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 16, 2016, 11:51:48 PM
The only prob I have with this team besides some occasionally sketchy work from the bullpen is the real lack of killer instinct at times. I know I'm being anal about this, but FUCK ME this team's absolute horseshit when there's bases loaded and less than 2 outs. Like 4 times in the last week or so and they get fuckall...It's supposed to be considered a failure if you can only bring 1 run across in those situations, but lately they can't do shit. The other day when Rondon shit the bed against the Tards, I told a co-worker after they failed in the 7th to score shit with the bases juiced and no outs they were going to lose. Now I'm pretty sure no one here foresaw that epic meltdown, but still. They get a couple and go to the 8th with say a 5-1 stead of 3-1 lead and things are prob looking different. Tonight's 9th wouldn't have been so dramatic had they plated another run or 2 with bases loaded and 1 out in the 3rd either. I'm in no way saying they should get 2+ runs every time in these situations, but fuck have they been horrific lately at them. Also, let's add that while Wood's overall #'s are good, there's no way he should pitch any high-pressure situations the rest of the season if possible. He gives up a metric fuckton of HR's out of the small amount of hits he's given up.
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It's almost as if they perform better with the bases loaded
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Well, they're ranked 16th in BL, 1 Out, so no World Series, I guess.
(That fucking devil magic, tho)
It's like you don't even
watch the games, man.
I wasn't saying the entire season, just seems to be a pattern lately where they completely fail in the situation that is very frustrating with the talent on the team. I'm not fucking expecting perfection, cuz BASEBALL...but I'm hoping for more with this team than any other version over my 40 years as a fan.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 17, 2016, 11:09:51 AM
I wasn't saying the entire season, just seems to be a pattern lately where they completely fail in the situation that is very frustrating with the talent on the team. I'm not fucking expecting perfection, cuz BASEBALL...but I'm hoping for more with this team than any other version over my 40 years as a fan.
If the season ended today and the Cubs won the WS, they'd have the 32nd (of the last 85) best OPS with the bases loaded for a WS winner. I think they're doing what they need to do.
(Oh, and surprise, surprise. The best OPS with the bases loaded is the 2011 Cardinals: 1.041 OPS. That's a full 114 points higher than the closest team. They had a .394 BABIP
Also of note, the 1945 Tigers had a .398(!) OPS.)
Bump for making another rookie with horrible #'s coming in look like Cy Young.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 28, 2016, 05:48:44 PM
Bump for making another rookie with horrible #'s coming in look like Cy Young.
THIS TEAM SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!11111
Ok Saul, I think that's going a TAD too far.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 28, 2016, 05:48:44 PM
Bump for making another rookie with horrible #'s coming in look like Cy Young.
Another?
Quote from: Eli on August 28, 2016, 08:44:46 PM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 28, 2016, 05:48:44 PM
Bump for making another rookie with horrible #'s coming in look like Cy Young.
Another?
All of them, man. Try to keep up.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 29, 2016, 07:48:34 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 28, 2016, 08:44:46 PM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 28, 2016, 05:48:44 PM
Bump for making another rookie with horrible #'s coming in look like Cy Young.
Another?
All of them, man. Try to keep up.
I don't want to try to dive too deep into this man's psyche but was he perhaps referring to them struggling against Urias on Saturday? Because Urias has been getting better basically every start, and was the number one prospect in all of baseball for a reason. 19 year old lefties who struck out 30% of the hitters they faced in the minors just grow on trees, actually.
Stevie Wonder behind the plate tonight.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on August 29, 2016, 09:26:10 PM
Stevie Wonder behind the plate tonight.
A man pretending to be blind behind the plate?
Quote from: Yeti on August 30, 2016, 09:09:14 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on August 29, 2016, 09:26:10 PM
Stevie Wonder behind the plate tonight.
A man pretending to be blind behind the plate?
Stevie Wonder's been pretending? Talk about your long cons.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 30, 2016, 09:13:34 AM
Quote from: Yeti on August 30, 2016, 09:09:14 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on August 29, 2016, 09:26:10 PM
Stevie Wonder behind the plate tonight.
A man pretending to be blind behind the plate?
Stevie Wonder's been pretending? Talk about your long cons.
I find it shocking you're unaware of this conspiracy theory. It's my second favorite one of all time after "Stephen King killed John Lennon."
Quote from: Bort on August 30, 2016, 09:24:37 AM
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Quote from: Armchair_QB on August 29, 2016, 09:26:10 PM
Stevie Wonder behind the plate tonight.
A man pretending to be blind behind the plate?
Stevie Wonder's been pretending? Talk about your long cons.
I find it shocking you're unaware of this conspiracy theory. It's my second favorite one of all time after "Stephen King killed John Lennon."
I prefer the one wherein Ronald Reagan, after years of dealing with that nuisance and his ilk when he was governor of California, made sure to wipe Lennon out a month before being inaugurated as President.
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Quote from: Armchair_QB on August 29, 2016, 09:26:10 PM
Stevie Wonder behind the plate tonight.
A man pretending to be blind behind the plate?
Stevie Wonder's been pretending? Talk about your long cons.
I find it shocking you're unaware of this conspiracy theory. It's my second favorite one of all time after "Stephen King killed John Lennon."
It's my second favorite too, but after the Jordan basketball ban one.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on August 30, 2016, 09:27:03 AM
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Quote from: Armchair_QB on August 29, 2016, 09:26:10 PM
Stevie Wonder behind the plate tonight.
A man pretending to be blind behind the plate?
Stevie Wonder's been pretending? Talk about your long cons.
I find it shocking you're unaware of this conspiracy theory. It's my second favorite one of all time after "Stephen King killed John Lennon."
I prefer the one wherein Ronald Reagan, after years of dealing with that nuisance and his ilk when he was governor of California, made sure to wipe Lennon out a month before being inaugurated as President.
I have never heard those Lennon conspiracy theories and now my afternoon is sure to be shot.
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Quote from: Armchair_QB on August 29, 2016, 09:26:10 PM
Stevie Wonder behind the plate tonight.
A man pretending to be blind behind the plate?
Stevie Wonder's been pretending? Talk about your long cons.
I find it shocking you're unaware of this conspiracy theory. It's my second favorite one of all time after "Stephen King killed John Lennon."
I prefer the one wherein Ronald Reagan, after years of dealing with that nuisance and his ilk when he was governor of California, made sure to wipe Lennon out a month before being inaugurated as President.
I have never heard those Lennon conspiracy theories and now my afternoon is sure to be shot.
This may sound overly dramatic but I hate reliving that night.
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Quote from: Armchair_QB on August 29, 2016, 09:26:10 PM
Stevie Wonder behind the plate tonight.
A man pretending to be blind behind the plate?
Stevie Wonder's been pretending? Talk about your long cons.
I find it shocking you're unaware of this conspiracy theory. It's my second favorite one of all time after "Stephen King killed John Lennon."
It's my second favorite too, but after the Jordan basketball ban one.
I've quietly assumed the Jordan story to be true and not a conspiracy.
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Quote from: Armchair_QB on August 29, 2016, 09:26:10 PM
Stevie Wonder behind the plate tonight.
A man pretending to be blind behind the plate?
Stevie Wonder's been pretending? Talk about your long cons.
I find it shocking you're unaware of this conspiracy theory. It's my second favorite one of all time after "Stephen King killed John Lennon."
It's my second favorite too, but after the Jordan basketball ban one.
I've quietly assumed the Jordan story to be true and not a conspiracy.
Ditto.
Obligatory "stop loading the bases without scoring" TIME TO POST.
I'd like to see the #'s on this team when the score's within 2 runs either way. I'm sure they have great #'s for bases loaded/risp/runner on 3rd less than 2 outs, but god it seems like they leave empty-handed in close games WAY too often that ends up costing more than not.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on September 13, 2016, 09:42:12 PM
I'd like to see the #'s on this team when the score's within 2 runs either way. I'm sure they have great #'s for bases loaded/risp/runner on 3rd less than 2 outs, but god it seems like they leave empty-handed in close games WAY too often that ends up costing more than not.
I don't know the stats but it couldn't have cost them that much. They have the best record in baseball. So it's your eyes test against mine.
Quote from: air2300 on September 13, 2016, 11:37:53 PM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on September 13, 2016, 09:42:12 PM
I'd like to see the #'s on this team when the score's within 2 runs either way. I'm sure they have great #'s for bases loaded/risp/runner on 3rd less than 2 outs, but god it seems like they leave empty-handed in close games WAY too often that ends up costing more than not.
I don't know the stats but it couldn't have cost them that much. They have the best record in baseball. So it's your eyes test against mine.
They have a .752 OPS as a team in games that are within 2 runs or less. They have a .766 OPS overall. So no, there's really nothing there, they just tend to strand more guys in close games vs blowouts because that's what makes it a close game and not a blow out.
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Quote from: air2300 on September 13, 2016, 11:37:53 PM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on September 13, 2016, 09:42:12 PM
I'd like to see the #'s on this team when the score's within 2 runs either way. I'm sure they have great #'s for bases loaded/risp/runner on 3rd less than 2 outs, but god it seems like they leave empty-handed in close games WAY too often that ends up costing more than not.
I don't know the stats but it couldn't have cost them that much. They have the best record in baseball. So it's your eyes test against mine.
They have a .752 OPS as a team in games that are within 2 runs or less. They have a .766 OPS overall. So no, there's really nothing there, they just tend to strand more guys in close games vs blowouts because that's what makes it a close game and not a blow out.
.734 OPS in high leverage situations (15th in MLB; top 5: Colorado, Cincinnati, Texas, St. Louis, Cleveland).
Quote from: SKO on September 14, 2016, 07:49:31 AM
They have a .752 OPS as a team in games that are within 2 runs or less. They have a .766 OPS overall. So no, there's really nothing there, they just tend to strand more guys in close games vs blowouts because that's what makes it a close game and not a blow out.
Funny how that works.
Quote from: Eli on September 14, 2016, 10:41:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 14, 2016, 07:49:31 AM
They have a .752 OPS as a team in games that are within 2 runs or less. They have a .766 OPS overall. So no, there's really nothing there, they just tend to strand more guys in close games vs blowouts because that's what makes it a close game and not a blow out.
Funny how that works.
*Presses "Tell Me More" button.*
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on September 14, 2016, 10:49:24 AM
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Quote from: SKO on September 14, 2016, 07:49:31 AM
They have a .752 OPS as a team in games that are within 2 runs or less. They have a .766 OPS overall. So no, there's really nothing there, they just tend to strand more guys in close games vs blowouts because that's what makes it a close game and not a blow out.
Funny how that works.
*Presses "Tell Me More" button.*
It seems like the sidewalks get all wet every time it rains.
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Quote from: SKO on September 14, 2016, 07:49:31 AM
They have a .752 OPS as a team in games that are within 2 runs or less. They have a .766 OPS overall. So no, there's really nothing there, they just tend to strand more guys in close games vs blowouts because that's what makes it a close game and not a blow out.
Funny how that works.
*Presses "Tell Me More" button.*
It seems like the sidewalks get all wet every time it rains.
I was trying to be a smartass to WTF BBS, not go full "the run sets up the play action" with a statement of the obvious.
I never said they sucked, just that it was a pattern. And ty Shooter for backing me up on that. they're league-avg in high leverage situations, not some juggernaut as I figured.
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Quote from: SKO on September 14, 2016, 07:49:31 AM
They have a .752 OPS as a team in games that are within 2 runs or less. They have a .766 OPS overall. So no, there's really nothing there, they just tend to strand more guys in close games vs blowouts because that's what makes it a close game and not a blow out.
Funny how that works.
*Presses "Tell Me More" button.*
It seems like the sidewalks get all wet every time it rains.
I was trying to be a smartass to WTF BBS, not go full "the run sets up the play action" with a statement of the obvious.
I know. I was agreeing with you.
Quote from: Eli on September 14, 2016, 01:21:07 PM
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Quote from: Eli on September 14, 2016, 10:41:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 14, 2016, 07:49:31 AM
They have a .752 OPS as a team in games that are within 2 runs or less. They have a .766 OPS overall. So no, there's really nothing there, they just tend to strand more guys in close games vs blowouts because that's what makes it a close game and not a blow out.
Funny how that works.
*Presses "Tell Me More" button.*
It seems like the sidewalks get all wet every time it rains.
I was trying to be a smartass to WTF BBS, not go full "the run sets up the play action" with a statement of the obvious.
I know. I was agreeing with you.
Well. Carry on then.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on September 14, 2016, 12:38:37 PM
I never said they sucked, just that it was a pattern. And ty Shooter for backing me up on that. they're league-avg in high leverage situations, not some juggernaut as I figured.
Good thing today wasn't a one-run game then.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 14, 2016, 04:10:11 PM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on September 14, 2016, 12:38:37 PM
I never said they sucked, just that it was a pattern. And ty Shooter for backing me up on that. they're league-avg in high leverage situations, not some juggernaut as I figured.
Good thing today wasn't a one-run game then.
Why can't Lester throw a shutout, Rizzo hit two homers and Bryant and Ross knock in a couple runs each in close games?
Quote from: Brownie on September 14, 2016, 04:34:59 PM
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Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on September 14, 2016, 12:38:37 PM
I never said they sucked, just that it was a pattern. And ty Shooter for backing me up on that. they're league-avg in high leverage situations, not some juggernaut as I figured.
Good thing today wasn't a one-run game then.
Why can't Lester throw a shutout, Rizzo hit two homers and Bryant and Ross knock in a couple runs each in close games?
Those jerks seem to save that for the blowouts.
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Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on September 14, 2016, 12:38:37 PM
I never said they sucked, just that it was a pattern. And ty Shooter for backing me up on that. they're league-avg in high leverage situations, not some juggernaut as I figured.
Good thing today wasn't a one-run game then.
Why can't Lester throw a shutout, Rizzo hit two homers and Bryant and Ross knock in a couple runs each in close games?
Those jerks seem to save that for the blowouts.
And never in the clutch. This team is doomed.
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Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on September 14, 2016, 12:38:37 PM
I never said they sucked, just that it was a pattern. And ty Shooter for backing me up on that. they're league-avg in high leverage situations, not some juggernaut as I figured.
Good thing today wasn't a one-run game then.
Why can't Lester throw a shutout, Rizzo hit two homers and Bryant and Ross knock in a couple runs each in close games?
Those jerks seem to save that for the blowouts.
Leon (https://twitter.com/dandakich/status/626096857446531072) Durham. (https://twitter.com/dandakich/status/459505131659087872) They're (https://twitter.com/dandakich/status/116649109515018240) all (https://twitter.com/gdfost/status/610833694392094721) Leon (https://twitter.com/dandakich/status/402185692039483392) Durham. (https://twitter.com/KMacinNWI/status/698957661656784896)
Don't tell Dakich that of Durham's 147 career homers, 64 were game-tying or game-winning. That's good, right?
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Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on September 14, 2016, 12:38:37 PM
I never said they sucked, just that it was a pattern. And ty Shooter for backing me up on that. they're league-avg in high leverage situations, not some juggernaut as I figured.
Good thing today wasn't a one-run game then.
Why can't Lester throw a shutout, Rizzo hit two homers and Bryant and Ross knock in a couple runs each in close games?
Those jerks seem to save that for the blowouts.
Leon (https://twitter.com/dandakich/status/626096857446531072) Durham. (https://twitter.com/dandakich/status/459505131659087872) They're (https://twitter.com/dandakich/status/116649109515018240) all (https://twitter.com/gdfost/status/610833694392094721) Leon (https://twitter.com/dandakich/status/402185692039483392) Durham. (https://twitter.com/KMacinNWI/status/698957661656784896)
Don't tell Dakich that of Durham's 147 career homers, 64 were game-tying or game-winning. That's good, right?
To be fair, 11 of those were in the first inning.
Also, Dakich's representation is dumb. It's like Morgan's "Banks Blvd" comment.
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Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on September 14, 2016, 12:38:37 PM
I never said they sucked, just that it was a pattern. And ty Shooter for backing me up on that. they're league-avg in high leverage situations, not some juggernaut as I figured.
Good thing today wasn't a one-run game then.
Why can't Lester throw a shutout, Rizzo hit two homers and Bryant and Ross knock in a couple runs each in close games?
Those jerks seem to save that for the blowouts.
Leon (https://twitter.com/dandakich/status/626096857446531072) Durham. (https://twitter.com/dandakich/status/459505131659087872) They're (https://twitter.com/dandakich/status/116649109515018240) all (https://twitter.com/gdfost/status/610833694392094721) Leon (https://twitter.com/dandakich/status/402185692039483392) Durham. (https://twitter.com/KMacinNWI/status/698957661656784896)
Don't tell Dakich that of Durham's 147 career homers, 64 were game-tying or game-winning. That's good, right?
To be fair, 11 of those were in the first inning.
Also, Dakich's representation is dumb. It's like Morgan's "Banks Blvd" comment.
Dakich's Durham Derangement is weird. I am pretty sure Bob Knight pointed to Number 23 in Dakich's second to last collegiate game and said, "Dakich, that is Leon Durham. You are to make sure he doesn't beat us today."
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Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on September 14, 2016, 12:38:37 PM
I never said they sucked, just that it was a pattern. And ty Shooter for backing me up on that. they're league-avg in high leverage situations, not some juggernaut as I figured.
Good thing today wasn't a one-run game then.
Why can't Lester throw a shutout, Rizzo hit two homers and Bryant and Ross knock in a couple runs each in close games?
Those jerks seem to save that for the blowouts.
Leon (https://twitter.com/dandakich/status/626096857446531072) Durham. (https://twitter.com/dandakich/status/459505131659087872) They're (https://twitter.com/dandakich/status/116649109515018240) all (https://twitter.com/gdfost/status/610833694392094721) Leon (https://twitter.com/dandakich/status/402185692039483392) Durham. (https://twitter.com/KMacinNWI/status/698957661656784896)
Don't tell Dakich that of Durham's 147 career homers, 64 were game-tying or game-winning. That's good, right?
To be fair, 11 of those were in the first inning.
Also, Dakich's representation is dumb. It's like Morgan's "Banks Blvd" comment.
Dakich's Durham Derangement is weird. I am pretty sure Bob Knight pointed to Number 23 in Dakich's second to last collegiate game and said, "Dakich, that is Leon Durham. You are to make sure he doesn't beat us today."
If you guys don't know what he's talking about, you're obviously not REAL Cub fans.
Bump.
Javy says, "Ok."
This game isn't over, you pansies.
Seriously, 2 fucking hits off of Matt Moore?
HOLY.FUCKING.SHIT if Chapman shuts this down.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on October 11, 2016, 10:36:54 PM
Seriously, 2 fucking hits off of Matt Moore?
Clearly, they were pacing themselves.
About time for this.
That home plate umpire is a fucking piece of shit.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 16, 2016, 09:54:42 PM
That home plate umpire is a fucking piece of shit.
Because he glued their bats to their shoulders?
Quote from: ChuckD on October 17, 2016, 08:07:57 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 16, 2016, 09:54:42 PM
That home plate umpire is a fucking piece of shit.
Because he glued their bats to their shoulders?
Agreed. I don't think it was a great or even a consistent zone but that doesn't excuse shit like Zobrist inexplicably taking a called third strike that was well within the zone (in fact it's even more inexplicable that he didn't offer at it given how the zone had been called all night), or Willson giving up two ABs by not swinging at all and then trying to bunt his way on. They got beat.
The Cubs' biggest problem has been EXPOSED, guys:
Sometimes their hitters go into slumps. (http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/mlb-playoffs-cubs-dodgers-highlights-score-kershaw-rizzo-game-2-3-schedule-101616)
It's true! Epstink is terrible.
Quote from: SKO on October 17, 2016, 08:16:23 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 17, 2016, 08:07:57 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 16, 2016, 09:54:42 PM
That home plate umpire is a fucking piece of shit.
Because he glued their bats to their shoulders?
Agreed. I don't think it was a great or even a consistent zone but that doesn't excuse shit like Zobrist inexplicably taking a called third strike that was well within the zone (in fact it's even more inexplicable that he didn't offer at it given how the zone had been called all night), or Willson giving up two ABs by not swinging at all and then trying to bunt his way on. They got beat.
Kershaw is a great pitcher. He has a hitch in his delivery that (I believe) throws batters off. He also has great command of the strike zone. I know that I am being Captain Obvious with these remarks, but my point is that last night's game was more about Kershaw's pitching than it was about the Cubs' batting.
Quote from: CBStew on October 17, 2016, 01:59:59 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 17, 2016, 08:16:23 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 17, 2016, 08:07:57 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 16, 2016, 09:54:42 PM
That home plate umpire is a fucking piece of shit.
Because he glued their bats to their shoulders?
Agreed. I don't think it was a great or even a consistent zone but that doesn't excuse shit like Zobrist inexplicably taking a called third strike that was well within the zone (in fact it's even more inexplicable that he didn't offer at it given how the zone had been called all night), or Willson giving up two ABs by not swinging at all and then trying to bunt his way on. They got beat.
Kershaw is a great pitcher. He has a hitch in his delivery that (I believe) throws batters off. He also has great command of the strike zone. I know that I am being Captain Obvious with these remarks, but my point is that last night's game was more about Kershaw's pitching than it was about the Cubs' batting.
How do you explain the other three loses that are sure to follow? Probably by tomorrow.
DOOOOOOOM!!!!!!
Quote from: Oleg on October 17, 2016, 02:14:22 PM
Quote from: CBStew on October 17, 2016, 01:59:59 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 17, 2016, 08:16:23 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 17, 2016, 08:07:57 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 16, 2016, 09:54:42 PM
That home plate umpire is a fucking piece of shit.
Because he glued their bats to their shoulders?
Agreed. I don't think it was a great or even a consistent zone but that doesn't excuse shit like Zobrist inexplicably taking a called third strike that was well within the zone (in fact it's even more inexplicable that he didn't offer at it given how the zone had been called all night), or Willson giving up two ABs by not swinging at all and then trying to bunt his way on. They got beat.
Kershaw is a great pitcher. He has a hitch in his delivery that (I believe) throws batters off. He also has great command of the strike zone. I know that I am being Captain Obvious with these remarks, but my point is that last night's game was more about Kershaw's pitching than it was about the Cubs' batting.
How do you explain the other three loses that are sure to follow? Probably by tomorrow.
DOOOOOOOM!!!!!!
Easy. DA CUBES IS CURST!
No hurry, assholes
Quote from: SKO on October 18, 2016, 08:28:01 PM
No hurry, assholes
Runs are good. I like runs. Won't they score some?
If I heard the postgame interview correctly, Joe's analysis was "if you're not scoring runs, it makes it more difficult in the playoffs." There's some chance that there was an "a little bit" in there, but I'm not hanging around for transcripts.
Quote from: Wheezer on October 18, 2016, 11:00:51 PM
If I heard the postgame interview correctly, Joe's analysis was "if you're not scoring runs, it makes it more difficult in the playoffs." There's some chance that there was an "a little bit" in there, but I'm not hanging around for transcripts.
Yes, you have to score runs to win games, but first you have to get some runners on base.
Quote from: CBStew on October 19, 2016, 09:59:43 AM
Quote from: Wheezer on October 18, 2016, 11:00:51 PM
If I heard the postgame interview correctly, Joe's analysis was "if you're not scoring runs, it makes it more difficult in the playoffs." There's some chance that there was an "a little bit" in there, but I'm not hanging around for transcripts.
Yes, you have to score runs to win games, but first you have to get some runners on base.
Intrepid reader: Dusty BakerYou don't understand this
at all, dude.
21 innings and counting!
It's been a while since numerous people were hitting the ball this hard, now save some runs for tomorrow.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on October 19, 2016, 09:07:34 PM
It's been a while since numerous people were hitting the ball this hard, now save some runs for tomorrow.
No, continue to hit in this game and then hit and hit and hit and hit.
Quote from: CT III on October 19, 2016, 09:56:14 PM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on October 19, 2016, 09:07:34 PM
It's been a while since numerous people were hitting the ball this hard, now save some runs for tomorrow.
No, continue to hit in this game and then hit and hit and hit and hit.
Exactly. Take away their will to live.
Quote from: CT III on October 19, 2016, 09:56:14 PM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on October 19, 2016, 09:07:34 PM
It's been a while since numerous people were hitting the ball this hard, now save some runs for tomorrow.
No, continue to hit in this game and then hit and hit and hit and hit.
I'm waiting for the "Max Seizure uses a corked bat" conspiracy theories.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 19, 2016, 11:15:27 PM
I'm waiting for the "Max Seizure uses a corked bat" conspiracy theories.
The sad thing is: I bet you really
are waiting for that.
Quote from: Bort on October 20, 2016, 12:37:55 AM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on October 19, 2016, 11:15:27 PM
I'm waiting for the "Max Seizure uses a corked bat" conspiracy theories.
The sad thing is: I bet you really are waiting for that.
Only if it comes from the Trump campaign...
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 19, 2016, 10:03:10 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 19, 2016, 09:56:14 PM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on October 19, 2016, 09:07:34 PM
It's been a while since numerous people were hitting the ball this hard, now save some runs for tomorrow.
No, continue to hit in this game and then hit and hit and hit and hit.
Quote from: morpheus on October 20, 2016, 12:23:49 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 19, 2016, 10:03:10 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 19, 2016, 09:56:14 PM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on October 19, 2016, 09:07:34 PM
It's been a while since numerous people were hitting the ball this hard, now save some runs for tomorrow.
No, continue to hit in this game and then hit and hit and hit and hit.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 25, 2016, 08:42:53 PM
Quote from: morpheus on October 20, 2016, 12:23:49 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 19, 2016, 10:03:10 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 19, 2016, 09:56:14 PM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on October 19, 2016, 09:07:34 PM
It's been a while since numerous people were hitting the ball this hard, now save some runs for tomorrow.
No, continue to hit in this game and then hit and hit and hit and hit.
No seriously, score some damn runs.
Baez has really cooled off.
This team seriously needs to find their balls. For the 3rd-best scoring offense they get fucking shut down WAY too often.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on October 28, 2016, 10:28:34 PM
This team seriously needs to find their balls. For the 3rd-best scoring offense they get fucking shut down WAY too often.
They need to hit balls, not find them.
Quote from: Brownie on October 29, 2016, 09:11:48 AM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on October 28, 2016, 10:28:34 PM
This team seriously needs to find their balls. For the 3rd-best scoring offense they get fucking shut down WAY too often.
They need to hit balls, not find them.
They can start by swinging at actual strikes, not low and a foot outside. The Indians pitched to them the way I used to win Bases Loaded games against the NES.
Quote from: Bort on October 29, 2016, 10:02:02 AM
Quote from: Brownie on October 29, 2016, 09:11:48 AM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on October 28, 2016, 10:28:34 PM
This team seriously needs to find their balls. For the 3rd-best scoring offense they get fucking shut down WAY too often.
They need to hit balls, not find them.
They can start by swinging at actual strikes, not low and a foot outside. The Indians pitched to them the way I used to win Bases Loaded games against the NES.
I know it's kind of a loaded word, but they've choked. I'm not sure what to call it besides that, given how completely uncharacteristic their performance has been:
QuoteAccording to ESPN Stats & Information research, the Cubs chased pitches outside the strike zone a whopping 51 percent of the time in Game 4. That's seven points higher than Game 3, which was bad enough, but only some context can give true meaning to that Game 4 percentage. Chasing outside the zone 51 percent of the time Saturday was the second most of any team in any contest this year.
That includes every second-place to last-place team in baseball: 4,860 regular-season games -- plus all the playoff contests. Only the Arizona Diamondbacks, back in May, swung more percentage-wise outside the strike zone than the Cubs did on Saturday night -- and only by 1 percent.
Quote from: Eli on October 30, 2016, 09:20:07 AM
Quote from: Bort on October 29, 2016, 10:02:02 AM
Quote from: Brownie on October 29, 2016, 09:11:48 AM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on October 28, 2016, 10:28:34 PM
This team seriously needs to find their balls. For the 3rd-best scoring offense they get fucking shut down WAY too often.
They need to hit balls, not find them.
They can start by swinging at actual strikes, not low and a foot outside. The Indians pitched to them the way I used to win Bases Loaded games against the NES.
I know it's kind of a loaded word, but they've choked. I'm not sure what to call it besides that, given how completely uncharacteristic their performance has been:
QuoteAccording to ESPN Stats & Information research, the Cubs chased pitches outside the strike zone a whopping 51 percent of the time in Game 4. That's seven points higher than Game 3, which was bad enough, but only some context can give true meaning to that Game 4 percentage. Chasing outside the zone 51 percent of the time Saturday was the second most of any team in any contest this year.
That includes every second-place to last-place team in baseball: 4,860 regular-season games -- plus all the playoff contests. Only the Arizona Diamondbacks, back in May, swung more percentage-wise outside the strike zone than the Cubs did on Saturday night -- and only by 1 percent.
The Indians don't walk anyone and pitch counts are irrelevant because Miller looms in the middle innings. Yet the Cubs go out there and often take hittable pitches to start ABs because they're trying to be patient. Then they offer at garbage bc they fall behind. Zobrist's AB v Kluber in the third is a good example. He took a fastball in the zone because the book on him is that he won't offer at the first pitch. Then he saw nothing but breaking stuff and struck out.
Quote from: Eli on October 30, 2016, 09:20:07 AM
Quote from: Bort on October 29, 2016, 10:02:02 AM
Quote from: Brownie on October 29, 2016, 09:11:48 AM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on October 28, 2016, 10:28:34 PM
This team seriously needs to find their balls. For the 3rd-best scoring offense they get fucking shut down WAY too often.
They need to hit balls, not find them.
They can start by swinging at actual strikes, not low and a foot outside. The Indians pitched to them the way I used to win Bases Loaded games against the NES.
I know it's kind of a loaded word, but they've choked. I'm not sure what to call it besides that, given how completely uncharacteristic their performance has been:
QuoteAccording to ESPN Stats & Information research, the Cubs chased pitches outside the strike zone a whopping 51 percent of the time in Game 4. That's seven points higher than Game 3, which was bad enough, but only some context can give true meaning to that Game 4 percentage. Chasing outside the zone 51 percent of the time Saturday was the second most of any team in any contest this year.
That includes every second-place to last-place team in baseball: 4,860 regular-season games -- plus all the playoff contests. Only the Arizona Diamondbacks, back in May, swung more percentage-wise outside the strike zone than the Cubs did on Saturday night -- and only by 1 percent.
It's really frustrating that they haven't adapted their approach. It seems like two out of three batters get behind by taking a first pitch fastball for a strike. Then they get picked apart with off-speed stuff out of the zone when Cleveland has a few pitches to waste.
Working pitch counts is helpful in the regular season when spreading workloads out over the long run is a priority. But now it's the end of October and everyone gets 4 months off starting next week so nobody should really give a shit about pitch counts or days of rest (all things being equal).
In the very least, being aggressive early might keep Cleveland honest and force them to mix in off-speed earlier in counts.
Edit: FACED
Bauer pitching + no tomorrow had fucking better equal a barrel of runs.
It will.
Quote from: SKO on October 30, 2016, 10:05:01 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 30, 2016, 09:20:07 AM
Quote from: Bort on October 29, 2016, 10:02:02 AM
Quote from: Brownie on October 29, 2016, 09:11:48 AM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on October 28, 2016, 10:28:34 PM
This team seriously needs to find their balls. For the 3rd-best scoring offense they get fucking shut down WAY too often.
They need to hit balls, not find them.
They can start by swinging at actual strikes, not low and a foot outside. The Indians pitched to them the way I used to win Bases Loaded games against the NES.
I know it's kind of a loaded word, but they've choked. I'm not sure what to call it besides that, given how completely uncharacteristic their performance has been:
QuoteAccording to ESPN Stats & Information research, the Cubs chased pitches outside the strike zone a whopping 51 percent of the time in Game 4. That's seven points higher than Game 3, which was bad enough, but only some context can give true meaning to that Game 4 percentage. Chasing outside the zone 51 percent of the time Saturday was the second most of any team in any contest this year.
That includes every second-place to last-place team in baseball: 4,860 regular-season games -- plus all the playoff contests. Only the Arizona Diamondbacks, back in May, swung more percentage-wise outside the strike zone than the Cubs did on Saturday night -- and only by 1 percent.
The Indians don't walk anyone and pitch counts are irrelevant because Miller looms in the middle innings. Yet the Cubs go out there and often take hittable pitches to start ABs because they're trying to be patient. Then they offer at garbage bc they fall behind. Zobrist's AB v Kluber in the third is a good example. He took a fastball in the zone because the book on him is that he won't offer at the first pitch. Then he saw nothing but breaking stuff and struck out.
I get what you're saying, but Zobrist is hitting.375 with a .974 OPS in the series. His approach seems to be largely successful.
Someone.
Score.
Please.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/complacency
As effective as the 2006 Cubs.
bump
2nd and 3rd, no out, 3-4-5 due up, against a pitcher with an ERA north of 4.50. Did they score? Of course they didn't.
Quote from: SKO on July 07, 2017, 01:58:22 PM
2nd and 3rd, no out, 3-4-5 due up, against a pitcher with an ERA north of 4.50. Did they score? Of course they didn't.
Intrepid Reader Ritchie CunninghamAfter that, they scored 6 runs.
That series might be the 2017 equivalent of getting swept by the Phillies. Pick it up, you ding-dongs.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 09, 2017, 08:48:07 PM
That series might be the 2017 equivalent of getting swept by the Phillies. Pick it up, you ding-dongs.
Didn't they already get swept by San Diego?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 09, 2017, 09:08:19 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 09, 2017, 08:48:07 PM
That series might be the 2017 equivalent of getting swept by the Phillies. Pick it up, you ding-dongs.
Didn't they already get swept by San Diego?
That was when they were still mediocre. They're supposed to be out of it now.
There will be a 4-way tie for first in the NL Central with 7 teams tied for the 2 Wildcards. (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18-fxmQWKcWMgoNZn0A_SwVrayXiOE7UN41tyLiqPNEI/edit?usp=sharing)
(indistinct muttering)
If only our pitching can hold the opponents to -1 runs.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 11, 2017, 07:22:49 PM
Quote from: pisomojado8 on October 11, 2017, 06:41:25 PM
If only our pitching can hold the opponents to -1 runs.
That's a different thread, if it exists. No,
this thread is to implore the Cubs to score some fucking runs, see. Sure, I feel good about Hendricks, but they can't treat him like he's Dave Fucking Stoller of The Cutters.
Our beloved baby bears have scored at least 1 run in only 6 of their 35 innings and
only 1 run in 4 of those 6 innings (and
only 2 runs each in those remaining 2 innings).
This is just another way to say they're not scoring. Like they were not scoring for 2+ games vs. Cleveland, 2+ games vs. L.A., 2+ games vs. SF...and 4 whole games against the Mets in '15--the one time they weren't able to get going before it was too late.
In fact, if it wasn't for impeccable starting pitching of their own, this series would kind of have the feel of the Mets series. But, luckily for us, they
have had impeccable starting pitching of their own, and the few times they have scratched home a run here and there they've been in big spots (and that didn't happen vs. the Mets either) and so instead of getting run out with cold bats they're still alive and there's still time.
I guess my point is this offense can only be kept down for so long and while having a Kyle Hendricks Insurance Policy in their back pocket is nice, what'd be nicer if these gutless fucking cocksuckers wake the hell up in time and score some fucking runs and pick up their guys in the rotation.
I, too, agree that scoring runs....it's good
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 11, 2017, 08:02:12 PM
I, too, agree that scoring runs....it's good
Bah! He never saw a run score in a game in his life!
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on October 11, 2017, 07:54:03 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 11, 2017, 07:22:49 PM
Quote from: pisomojado8 on October 11, 2017, 06:41:25 PM
If only our pitching can hold the opponents to -1 runs.
That's a different thread, if it exists. No, this thread is to implore the Cubs to score some fucking runs, see. Sure, I feel good about Hendricks, but they can't treat him like he's Dave Fucking Stoller of The Cutters.
Our beloved baby bears have scored at least 1 run in only 6 of their 35 innings and only 1 run in 4 of those 6 innings (and only 2 runs each in those remaining 2 innings).
This is just another way to say they're not scoring. Like they were not scoring for 2+ games vs. Cleveland, 2+ games vs. L.A., 2+ games vs. SF...and 4 whole games against the Mets in '15--the one time they weren't able to get going before it was too late.
In fact, if it wasn't for impeccable starting pitching of their own, this series would kind of have the feel of the Mets series. But, luckily for us, they have had impeccable starting pitching of their own, and the few times they have scratched home a run here and there they've been in big spots (and that didn't happen vs. the Mets either) and so instead of getting run out with cold bats they're still alive and there's still time.
I guess my point is this offense can only be kept down for so long and while having a Kyle Hendricks Insurance Policy in their back pocket is nice, what'd be nicer if these gutless fucking cocksuckers wake the hell up in time and score some fucking runs and pick up their guys in the rotation.
I am hoping for a Game 6 of the World Series type performance today. Then I'm cool if the offense takes a few games off. They'll have earned it.
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on October 11, 2017, 07:54:03 PM
This is just another way to say they're not scoring.
It's like Bull Durham all over again.
Quote from: D. Doluntap on October 12, 2017, 07:09:13 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on October 11, 2017, 07:54:03 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 11, 2017, 07:22:49 PM
Quote from: pisomojado8 on October 11, 2017, 06:41:25 PM
If only our pitching can hold the opponents to -1 runs.
That's a different thread, if it exists. No, this thread is to implore the Cubs to score some fucking runs, see. Sure, I feel good about Hendricks, but they can't treat him like he's Dave Fucking Stoller of The Cutters.
Our beloved baby bears have scored at least 1 run in only 6 of their 35 innings and only 1 run in 4 of those 6 innings (and only 2 runs each in those remaining 2 innings).
This is just another way to say they're not scoring. Like they were not scoring for 2+ games vs. Cleveland, 2+ games vs. L.A., 2+ games vs. SF...and 4 whole games against the Mets in '15--the one time they weren't able to get going before it was too late.
In fact, if it wasn't for impeccable starting pitching of their own, this series would kind of have the feel of the Mets series. But, luckily for us, they have had impeccable starting pitching of their own, and the few times they have scratched home a run here and there they've been in big spots (and that didn't happen vs. the Mets either) and so instead of getting run out with cold bats they're still alive and there's still time.
I guess my point is this offense can only be kept down for so long and while having a Kyle Hendricks Insurance Policy in their back pocket is nice, what'd be nicer if these gutless fucking cocksuckers wake the hell up in time and score some fucking runs and pick up their guys in the rotation.
I am hoping for a Game 6 of the World Series type performance today. Then I'm cool if the offense takes a few games off. They'll have earned it.
Nah, just take Friday off.
Quote from: Brownie on October 12, 2017, 10:50:25 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on October 12, 2017, 07:09:13 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on October 11, 2017, 07:54:03 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 11, 2017, 07:22:49 PM
Quote from: pisomojado8 on October 11, 2017, 06:41:25 PM
If only our pitching can hold the opponents to -1 runs.
That's a different thread, if it exists. No, this thread is to implore the Cubs to score some fucking runs, see. Sure, I feel good about Hendricks, but they can't treat him like he's Dave Fucking Stoller of The Cutters.
Our beloved baby bears have scored at least 1 run in only 6 of their 35 innings and only 1 run in 4 of those 6 innings (and only 2 runs each in those remaining 2 innings).
This is just another way to say they're not scoring. Like they were not scoring for 2+ games vs. Cleveland, 2+ games vs. L.A., 2+ games vs. SF...and 4 whole games against the Mets in '15--the one time they weren't able to get going before it was too late.
In fact, if it wasn't for impeccable starting pitching of their own, this series would kind of have the feel of the Mets series. But, luckily for us, they have had impeccable starting pitching of their own, and the few times they have scratched home a run here and there they've been in big spots (and that didn't happen vs. the Mets either) and so instead of getting run out with cold bats they're still alive and there's still time.
I guess my point is this offense can only be kept down for so long and while having a Kyle Hendricks Insurance Policy in their back pocket is nice, what'd be nicer if these gutless fucking cocksuckers wake the hell up in time and score some fucking runs and pick up their guys in the rotation.
I am hoping for a Game 6 of the World Series type performance today. Then I'm cool if the offense takes a few games off. They'll have earned it.
Nah, just take Friday off.
Yeah, why hope for them to be down 0-3 before the offense wakes up, if they make it past today? Odd.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 12, 2017, 10:52:13 AM
Quote from: Brownie on October 12, 2017, 10:50:25 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on October 12, 2017, 07:09:13 AM
Quote from: Huey Potatohead on October 11, 2017, 07:54:03 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 11, 2017, 07:22:49 PM
Quote from: pisomojado8 on October 11, 2017, 06:41:25 PM
If only our pitching can hold the opponents to -1 runs.
That's a different thread, if it exists. No, this thread is to implore the Cubs to score some fucking runs, see. Sure, I feel good about Hendricks, but they can't treat him like he's Dave Fucking Stoller of The Cutters.
Our beloved baby bears have scored at least 1 run in only 6 of their 35 innings and only 1 run in 4 of those 6 innings (and only 2 runs each in those remaining 2 innings).
This is just another way to say they're not scoring. Like they were not scoring for 2+ games vs. Cleveland, 2+ games vs. L.A., 2+ games vs. SF...and 4 whole games against the Mets in '15--the one time they weren't able to get going before it was too late.
In fact, if it wasn't for impeccable starting pitching of their own, this series would kind of have the feel of the Mets series. But, luckily for us, they have had impeccable starting pitching of their own, and the few times they have scratched home a run here and there they've been in big spots (and that didn't happen vs. the Mets either) and so instead of getting run out with cold bats they're still alive and there's still time.
I guess my point is this offense can only be kept down for so long and while having a Kyle Hendricks Insurance Policy in their back pocket is nice, what'd be nicer if these gutless fucking cocksuckers wake the hell up in time and score some fucking runs and pick up their guys in the rotation.
I am hoping for a Game 6 of the World Series type performance today. Then I'm cool if the offense takes a few games off. They'll have earned it.
Nah, just take Friday off.
Yeah, why hope for them to be down 0-3 before the offense wakes up, if they make it past today? Odd.
Not hoping for it, but I figure we can jump off the NLCS bridge when we get to it.
I'm more of the school that the Cubs should score at least 10 runs a game for the rest of the postseason.
Quote from: Bort on October 12, 2017, 04:17:03 PM
I'm more of the school that the Cubs should score at least 10 runs a game for the rest of the postseason.
9/game is pretty good too!
Here's how we scored some fucking runs tonight.
4-3 groundout
6-3 groundout
Wild Pitch
2 RBI double
Wild Pitch on dropped 3rd strike
Hit By Pitch
Double (really pretty much an E7 though)
5-4 Fielder's Choice
9 runs scored and one of them off of a legitimate hit.
What a time to be alive.
Two homers in the entire series (Rizzo and Contreras), all in game 2 in a loss.
That was the Cardinalsyiest way to get 9 runs ever invented. I'm not sorry
Gonna be a short series if Bryant, Rizzo and Baez don't wake the fuck up.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 15, 2017, 11:59:49 AM
Gonna be a short series if Bryant, Rizzo and Baez don't wake the fuck up.
#analysis
Quote from: Shooter on October 15, 2017, 07:22:04 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 15, 2017, 11:59:49 AM
Gonna be a short series if Bryant, Rizzo and Baez don't wake the fuck up.
#analysis
If the Cubs don't win, they may, in fact, lose.
Quote from: Shooter on October 15, 2017, 07:22:04 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 15, 2017, 11:59:49 AM
Gonna be a short series if Bryant, Rizzo and Baez don't wake the fuck up.
#analysis
Not sure how Contreras gets a free pass.
Many tightened sphincters in the Cubs lineup this series.
Fuck it. Let's get Giancarlo Stanton AND sign Bryce Harper.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on October 18, 2017, 03:02:25 PM
Fuck it. Let's get Giancarlo Stanton AND sign Bryce Harper.
Hell yeah. Minimum Eight-peat!
19 whiffs through 16 innings.
Yeah yeah 160 games to go but this sucks.
stop striking out so much, assholes.
That sucked.
PANIC! DOOM!
I'm sure they'll win a hundred games I'm just not that good with my emotions.
(shrugs)
If this were the middle of July it wouldn't even be a blip on the radar.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on April 03, 2018, 08:31:01 AM
(shrugs)
If this were the middle of July it wouldn't even be a blip on the radar.
Counterpoint: You'd probably need a team of 25 Tony Gwynns to strike out just 58 times over 3.5 months. There's only one Tony Gwynn and he died several years ago, so I think that would register as a significant blip on all the metaphorical radars to see a team of 25 Tony Gwynns playing baseball together in 2018.
(Shrugs)
Quote from: ChuckD on April 04, 2018, 10:44:24 AM
(Shrugs)
No runs Sunday. Monday or Tuesday. They suck.
none today either, sheeesh
Quote from: ChuckD on April 04, 2018, 10:43:50 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on April 03, 2018, 08:31:01 AM
(shrugs)
If this were the middle of July it wouldn't even be a blip on the radar.
Counterpoint: You'd probably need a team of 25 Tony Gwynns to strike out just 58 times over 3.5 months. There's only one Tony Gwynn and he died several years ago, so I think that would register as a significant blip on all the metaphorical radars to see a team of 25 Tony Gwynns playing baseball together in 2018.
The real question is how many of those Tony Gwynns can dance on the head of a pin?
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 04, 2018, 01:49:13 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 04, 2018, 10:43:50 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on April 03, 2018, 08:31:01 AM
(shrugs)
If this were the middle of July it wouldn't even be a blip on the radar.
Counterpoint: You'd probably need a team of 25 Tony Gwynns to strike out just 58 times over 3.5 months. There's only one Tony Gwynn and he died several years ago, so I think that would register as a significant blip on all the metaphorical radars to see a team of 25 Tony Gwynns playing baseball together in 2018.
The real question is how many of those Tony Gwynns can dance on the head of a pin?
How big a pin we talking? Gwynn was fatter than Baez.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on April 04, 2018, 03:23:52 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 04, 2018, 01:49:13 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 04, 2018, 10:43:50 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on April 03, 2018, 08:31:01 AM
(shrugs)
If this were the middle of July it wouldn't even be a blip on the radar.
Counterpoint: You'd probably need a team of 25 Tony Gwynns to strike out just 58 times over 3.5 months. There's only one Tony Gwynn and he died several years ago, so I think that would register as a significant blip on all the metaphorical radars to see a team of 25 Tony Gwynns playing baseball together in 2018.
The real question is how many of those Tony Gwynns can dance on the head of a pin?
How big a pin we talking? Gwynn was fatter than Baez.
Easy, now... let's not say anything we can't take back. Are we talking about Tony Gwynn in his playing days, or just before he died? Because Baez is probably somewhere in between.
Quote from: Tonker on April 05, 2018, 03:03:20 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on April 04, 2018, 03:23:52 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 04, 2018, 01:49:13 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 04, 2018, 10:43:50 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on April 03, 2018, 08:31:01 AM
(shrugs)
If this were the middle of July it wouldn't even be a blip on the radar.
Counterpoint: You'd probably need a team of 25 Tony Gwynns to strike out just 58 times over 3.5 months. There's only one Tony Gwynn and he died several years ago, so I think that would register as a significant blip on all the metaphorical radars to see a team of 25 Tony Gwynns playing baseball together in 2018.
The real question is how many of those Tony Gwynns can dance on the head of a pin?
How big a pin we talking? Gwynn was fatter than Baez.
Easy, now... let's not say anything we can't take back. Are we talking about Tony Gwynn in his playing days, or just before he died? Because Baez is probably somewhere in between.
Approx. 3000 PAs by mid-July so 60 SO equals a K% of 2%. We'd need the '95 vintage if we want to make it to bliptown.
at some point this team is going to need to learn how to actually deal with pitchers who throw mostly off-speed stuff and change speeds. They get fooled by fucking wiffleballs.
Bump
Thud.
Do any of the internet websites track which offenses are the highest/lowest variance? An offense that scores 9 runs one day and then 3 days the next would (you think) win less games than a hypothetical offense that scores 6 runs on both days. Wondering if the Cubs seemingly dramatic swings in production are actually that dramatic as compared to the rest of the league.
Quote from: R-V on May 08, 2018, 10:04:42 AM
Do any of the internet websites track which offenses are the highest/lowest variance? An offense that scores 9 runs one day and then 3 days the next would (you think) win less games than a hypothetical offense that scores 6 runs on both days. Wondering if the Cubs seemingly dramatic swings in production are actually that dramatic as compared to the rest of the league.
I would be very interested in that statistic.
Quote from: Brownie on May 08, 2018, 09:15:15 PM
Quote from: R-V on May 08, 2018, 10:04:42 AM
Do any of the internet websites track which offenses are the highest/lowest variance? An offense that scores 9 runs one day and then 3 days the next would (you think) win less games than a hypothetical offense that scores 6 runs on both days. Wondering if the Cubs seemingly dramatic swings in production are actually that dramatic as compared to the rest of the league.
I would be very interested in that statistic.
All you would need to do is run an average and a standard deviation on the number of runs scored for each team. Would seem to be easy to do (just not by me)
Bumping this for an offense that can't hit anything other than mediocre or bad pitching.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on June 13, 2018, 05:36:33 PM
Bumping this for an offense that can't hit anything other than mediocre or bad pitching.
You seem like a miserable person.
Quote from: Shooter on June 13, 2018, 07:35:13 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on June 13, 2018, 05:36:33 PM
Bumping this for an offense that can't hit anything other than mediocre or bad pitching.
You seem like a miserable person.
I agree with the bumping of the thread, if not the sentiment expressed.
hello darkness my old friend
Fucking BUMP
0 for their last 28 with RISP by my calculation.
Holy shit! TWO runs!
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 22, 2018, 07:24:23 PM
Holy shit! TWO runs!
From my vantage point you're half-right, which if nothing else is at least consistent of you.
Quote from: World's #1 Astros Fan on August 22, 2018, 08:28:22 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 22, 2018, 07:24:23 PM
Holy shit! TWO runs!
From my vantage point you're half-right, which if nothing else is at least consistent of you.
It's almost as though they continued to score runs. This thread finally worked.
11th in the NL in wOBA and 13th in SLG since the break. Chili's really got the boys firing on all cylinders.
Bump.
They're going to send Hawk off with a Sox sweep, aren't they. 2018 sucks.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 21, 2018, 05:13:38 PM
They're going to send Hawk off with a Sox sweep, aren't they. 2018 sucks.
I can't tell if you're doing a bit or not but if you're not you can get right fucked.
Quote from: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 22, 2018, 11:36:49 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 21, 2018, 05:13:38 PM
They're going to send Hawk off with a Sox sweep, aren't they. 2018 sucks.
I can't tell if you're doing a bit or not but if you're not you can get right fucked.
I do like the optoat heritage vernacular.
Quote from: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 22, 2018, 11:36:49 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 21, 2018, 05:13:38 PM
They're going to send Hawk off with a Sox sweep, aren't they. 2018 sucks.
I can't tell if you're doing a bit or not but if you're not you can get right fucked.
Runs: scored
Post: success
Time: to post
Well now surely they'll lose the rubber match, for Hawk.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 23, 2018, 04:21:03 AM
Quote from: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 22, 2018, 11:36:49 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 21, 2018, 05:13:38 PM
They're going to send Hawk off with a Sox sweep, aren't they. 2018 sucks.
I can't tell if you're doing a bit or not but if you're not you can get right fucked.
Runs: scored
Post: success
Time: to post
Well now surely they'll lose the rubber match, for Hawk.
wrong bald guy.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 23, 2018, 08:22:15 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 23, 2018, 04:21:03 AM
Quote from: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 22, 2018, 11:36:49 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 21, 2018, 05:13:38 PM
They're going to send Hawk off with a Sox sweep, aren't they. 2018 sucks.
I can't tell if you're doing a bit or not but if you're not you can get right fucked.
Runs: scored
Post: success
Time: to post
Well now surely they'll lose the rubber match, for Hawk.
wrong bald guy.
I think he was talking about himself...
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 23, 2018, 04:21:03 AM
Quote from: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 22, 2018, 11:36:49 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 21, 2018, 05:13:38 PM
They're going to send Hawk off with a Sox sweep, aren't they. 2018 sucks.
I can't tell if you're doing a bit or not but if you're not you can get right fucked.
Runs: scored
Post: success
Time: to post
Well now surely they'll lose the rubber match, for Hawk.
Season: saved
Since August 21, they're 19-11. Not bad for a run of daily baseball and no rest. I hope they have something left in the tank next month.
Quote from: Canadouche on September 24, 2018, 07:00:22 AM
Since August 21, they're 19-11. Not bad for a run of daily baseball and no rest. I hope they have something left in the tank next month.
If they lose it won't be because they're gassed. They'll have the division wrapped up by Friday and will have until the following Friday before playing meaningful baseball again. It's a down a year in the National League so they have as good a shot as anyone at the pennant. In my view, one of the following three cold players needs to step it up in the playoffs, otherwise they're going to struggle to advance: Happ, Almora and Contreras. If one of those guys picks up his game in the playoffs, it'll bode well.
Quote from: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 24, 2018, 08:52:25 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on September 24, 2018, 07:00:22 AM
Since August 21, they're 19-11. Not bad for a run of daily baseball and no rest. I hope they have something left in the tank next month.
If they lose it won't be because they're gassed. They'll have the division wrapped up by Friday and will have until the following Friday before playing meaningful baseball again. It's a down a year in the National League so they have as good a shot as anyone at the pennant. In my view, one of the following three cold players needs to step it up in the playoffs, otherwise they're going to struggle to advance: Happ, Almora and Contreras. If one of those guys picks up his game in the playoffs, it'll bode well.
I don't know if there's a perfect formula. The bullpen remains my big concern. They've been generally quite good/reliable, but their roles in the post season get amplified. No huge expectations from me - honestly, the World Series broke my fandom a little bit. I just don't get worked up anymore like I used to. I'm just happy they're good.
Quote from: Canadouche on September 24, 2018, 09:37:26 AM
the World Series broke my fandom a little bit. I just don't get worked up anymore like I used to.
This happened to me. I was disappointed after game 7 in 1945. But I assumed that we would win the Series in the following year. When we didn't I then assumed we would win the next year. As you know, things went downhill from there, especially in 1969. But 2016 changed everything. I was off the hook. When they won the Series in 2016 my feeling was more one of relief than elation. I assume that the Cubs will be a winning team, but the world will keep turning...one way or the other.
Quote from: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 24, 2018, 08:52:25 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on September 24, 2018, 07:00:22 AM
Since August 21, they're 19-11. Not bad for a run of daily baseball and no rest. I hope they have something left in the tank next month.
If they lose it won't be because they're gassed. They'll have the division wrapped up by Friday and will have until the following Friday before playing meaningful baseball again. It's a down a year in the National League so they have as good a shot as anyone at the pennant. In my view, one of the following three cold players needs to step it up in the playoffs, otherwise they're going to struggle to advance: Happ, Almora and Contreras. If one of those guys picks up his game in the playoffs, it'll bode well.
I swaw what you did there.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 24, 2018, 01:59:40 PM
Quote from: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 24, 2018, 08:52:25 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on September 24, 2018, 07:00:22 AM
Since August 21, they're 19-11. Not bad for a run of daily baseball and no rest. I hope they have something left in the tank next month.
If they lose it won't be because they're gassed. They'll have the division wrapped up by Friday and will have until the following Friday before playing meaningful baseball again. It's a down a year in the National League so they have as good a shot as anyone at the pennant. In my view, one of the following three cold players needs to step it up in the playoffs, otherwise they're going to struggle to advance: Happ, Almora and Contreras. If one of those guys picks up his game in the playoffs, it'll bode well.
I swaw what you did there.
Heh. Would like to take credit, but no--at least not consciously.
Quote from: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 24, 2018, 02:51:39 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 24, 2018, 01:59:40 PM
Quote from: World's #1 Astros Fan on September 24, 2018, 08:52:25 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on September 24, 2018, 07:00:22 AM
Since August 21, they're 19-11. Not bad for a run of daily baseball and no rest. I hope they have something left in the tank next month.
If they lose it won't be because they're gassed. They'll have the division wrapped up by Friday and will have until the following Friday before playing meaningful baseball again. It's a down a year in the National League so they have as good a shot as anyone at the pennant. In my view, one of the following three cold players needs to step it up in the playoffs, otherwise they're going to struggle to advance: Happ, Almora and Contreras. If one of those guys picks up his game in the playoffs, it'll bode well.
I swaw what you did there.
Heh. Would like to take credit, but no--at least not consciously.
Sometimes the PANKboard works in your favor.
Quote from: CBStew on September 24, 2018, 01:56:12 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on September 24, 2018, 09:37:26 AM
the World Series broke my fandom a little bit. I just don't get worked up anymore like I used to.
This happened to me. I was disappointed after game 7 in 1945. But I assumed that we would win the Series in the following year. When we didn't I then assumed we would win the next year. As you know, things went downhill from there, especially in 1969. But 2016 changed everything. I was off the hook. When they won the Series in 2016 my feeling was more one of relief than elation. I assume that the Cubs will be a winning team, but the world will keep turning...one way or the other.
Winning in 2016 has made me far less angsty about the playoffs. It is so much easier to accept the cold, random, cruel luck of October when your team already won that lottery once. Weirdly enough I'd get more pissed about the Cubs flat out not winning the division than not winning a division series. I can accept weird shit happening and losing even to those fucking Brewers in a best 3/5 situation, I could not have tolerated fucking away the division over 162 games to either of the two inferior teams chasing them. Losing that NLCS last year didn't even remotely phase me.
Weird, I know, but true.
Quote from: SKO on September 24, 2018, 03:35:02 PM
Quote from: CBStew on September 24, 2018, 01:56:12 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on September 24, 2018, 09:37:26 AM
the World Series broke my fandom a little bit. I just don't get worked up anymore like I used to.
This happened to me. I was disappointed after game 7 in 1945. But I assumed that we would win the Series in the following year. When we didn't I then assumed we would win the next year. As you know, things went downhill from there, especially in 1969. But 2016 changed everything. I was off the hook. When they won the Series in 2016 my feeling was more one of relief than elation. I assume that the Cubs will be a winning team, but the world will keep turning...one way or the other.
Winning in 2016 has made me far less angsty about the playoffs. It is so much easier to accept the cold, random, cruel luck of October when your team already won that lottery once. Weirdly enough I'd get more pissed about the Cubs flat out not winning the division than not winning a division series. I can accept weird shit happening and losing even to those fucking Brewers in a best 3/5 situation, I could not have tolerated fucking away the division over 162 games to either of the two inferior teams chasing them. Losing that NLCS last year didn't even remotely phase me.
Weird, I know, but true.
I think I'm the same? Losing the division to the other slapdicks in this division would piss me off royally, but playoffs are a crapshoot. Last year sucked, but didn't crush me.
Cool, cool
Score some gotdamn motherfucking runs.
*fart*
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 29, 2018, 10:07:02 PM
*fart*
There was, what, a single earned run in that entire Brewers game? Shit, I'm more pissed off that they didn't show the sausage race.
HIT. SCORE RUNS. JFC.
Counting today, the Cubs scored zero or one run 39 times. Only the Orioles (40) did so more times.