This word sucks now. Thanks, Desipio.
Quote from: Ivy6 on July 16, 2009, 05:06:56 PM
This word sucks now. Thanks, Desipio.
SPLOOGE! Killjoy.
IVY 6 IS RIGHT.
QuoteThank you, for SAYING what needed to be SAYYYED.
I don't want to SEE another one of these!
This thread almost made me want to start an Ivy6 sploogefest thread.
This just makes me long for the days of the Craig Monroe Erectile Dysfunction Tentapalooza.
Not literally, of course.
So, an overused, not longer funny term finally gets annoying when I use it?
Cool. I'll have to do this more often.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 17, 2009, 09:21:30 AM
So, an overused, not longer funny term finally everything gets annoying when I use it?
Cool. I'll have to do this more often.
Welcome to the club.
Quote from: Eli on July 17, 2009, 08:54:56 AM
This thread almost made me want to start an Ivy6 sploogefest thread.
This is the one that did it for me...
http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=6139.msg184819#msg184819
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 17, 2009, 09:21:30 AM
So, an overused, not longer funny term finally gets annoying when I use it?
Cool. I'll have to do this more often.
If I thought you were capable of taking things personally I would apologize, since you're just the victim of a broken system.
Quote from: Tank on July 17, 2009, 09:44:19 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 17, 2009, 08:54:56 AM
This thread almost made me want to start an Ivy6 sploogefest thread.
This is the one that did it for me...
http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=6139.msg184819#msg184819
Keep it coming. My ego is fucking STARVING.
Quote from: Ivy6 on July 17, 2009, 09:55:03 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 17, 2009, 09:21:30 AM
So, an overused, not longer funny term finally gets annoying when I use it?
Cool. I'll have to do this more often.
If I thought you were capable of taking things personally I would apologize, since you're just the victim of a broken system.
Quote from: Tank on July 17, 2009, 09:44:19 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 17, 2009, 08:54:56 AM
This thread almost made me want to start an Ivy6 sploogefest thread.
This is the one that did it for me...
http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=6139.msg184819#msg184819
Keep it coming. My ego is fucking STARVING.
This one has always had a special place in my heart. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=2509.0)
Quote from: MAD on July 17, 2009, 10:01:19 AM
Quote from: Ivy6 on July 17, 2009, 09:55:03 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 17, 2009, 09:21:30 AM
So, an overused, not longer funny term finally gets annoying when I use it?
Cool. I'll have to do this more often.
If I thought you were capable of taking things personally I would apologize, since you're just the victim of a broken system.
Quote from: Tank on July 17, 2009, 09:44:19 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 17, 2009, 08:54:56 AM
This thread almost made me want to start an Ivy6 sploogefest thread.
This is the one that did it for me...
http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=6139.msg184819#msg184819
Keep it coming. My ego is fucking STARVING.
This one has always had a special place in my heart. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=2509.0)
That's the gold standard on how to start internet fun.
Quote from: MAD on July 17, 2009, 10:01:19 AM
Quote from: Ivy6 on July 17, 2009, 09:55:03 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 17, 2009, 09:21:30 AM
So, an overused, not longer funny term finally gets annoying when I use it?
Cool. I'll have to do this more often.
If I thought you were capable of taking things personally I would apologize, since you're just the victim of a broken system.
Quote from: Tank on July 17, 2009, 09:44:19 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 17, 2009, 08:54:56 AM
This thread almost made me want to start an Ivy6 sploogefest thread.
This is the one that did it for me...
http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=6139.msg184819#msg184819
Keep it coming. My ego is fucking STARVING.
This one has always had a special place in my heart. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=2509.0)
Looks like that myspace page is still active, just saying.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 17, 2009, 11:44:09 AM
Quote from: MAD on July 17, 2009, 10:01:19 AM
Quote from: Ivy6 on July 17, 2009, 09:55:03 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 17, 2009, 09:21:30 AM
So, an overused, not longer funny term finally gets annoying when I use it?
Cool. I'll have to do this more often.
If I thought you were capable of taking things personally I would apologize, since you're just the victim of a broken system.
Quote from: Tank on July 17, 2009, 09:44:19 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 17, 2009, 08:54:56 AM
This thread almost made me want to start an Ivy6 sploogefest thread.
This is the one that did it for me...
http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=6139.msg184819#msg184819
Keep it coming. My ego is fucking STARVING.
This one has always had a special place in my heart. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=2509.0)
Looks like that myspace page is still active, just saying.
And how. (http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendId=5246455)
Quotegroundhog day
Current mood:groundhog
As those of you who really know me know, Groundhog Day is the only holiday I don't think is a sham and a lie. Even though it is, in fact, the most shammingest, lyingest holiday of them all. That paradox lies at the heart of this fine day.
WHY? someone might ask, do you love this holiday. And I'd say, Friend, I love it because it is named after an ungainly rodent, and, in its way, draws attention to his little life. I think, wrapped (and rapt) as we usually are in our own affairs and in the dizzying business of being human, we forget that there exist billions, perhaps trillions of little living beings, each less conscious than we are, but each still more or less aware. These beings live and die in obscurity so deep, in silence so complete, that our own negligible lives seem momentous in comparison. Our world hardly even acknowledges these other creatures. But each one feels, each one lives, and if it can't think as we do, if it belongs to a species that just isn't that far along yet, that only makes its predicament the more poignant.
When did we become human? When did we cross that line? Countless of our ancestors were nameless and, as we judge thinking, thoughtless. Yet such thoughts and feelings as they had contained the germ of all we've since become. I feel sorry for animals and I know they suffer too. And I know they have joy, too, and play more purely than we do. Even the oldest animal has often a childlikeness unseen in human beings after adolescence.. So take time out from the preoccupation with being human to recognize that we share our earth with many smaller (and some larger) beings, each of the divinity, each more scared the less it's aware of what it is and what it's doing here. If you recognize that, you'll be likely to treat such creatures with the love and sympathy they deserve.
I highly doubt that Paul is allowed back into the zoo.
Quote from: MAD on July 17, 2009, 11:51:04 AM
Quotegroundhog day
Current mood:groundhog
As those of you who really know me know, Groundhog Day is the only holiday I don't think is a sham and a lie. Even though it is, in fact, the most shammingest, lyingest holiday of them all. That paradox lies at the heart of this fine day.
WHY? someone might ask, do you love this holiday. And I'd say, Friend, I love it because it is named after an ungainly rodent, and, in its way, draws attention to his little life. I think, wrapped (and rapt) as we usually are in our own affairs and in the dizzying business of being human, we forget that there exist billions, perhaps trillions of little living beings, each less conscious than we are, but each still more or less aware. These beings live and die in obscurity so deep, in silence so complete, that our own negligible lives seem momentous in comparison. Our world hardly even acknowledges these other creatures. But each one feels, each one lives, and if it can't think as we do, if it belongs to a species that just isn't that far along yet, that only makes its predicament the more poignant.
When did we become human? When did we cross that line? Countless of our ancestors were nameless and, as we judge thinking, thoughtless. Yet such thoughts and feelings as they had contained the germ of all we've since become. I feel sorry for animals and I know they suffer too. And I know they have joy, too, and play more purely than we do. Even the oldest animal has often a childlikeness unseen in human beings after adolescence.. So take time out from the preoccupation with being human to recognize that we share our earth with many smaller (and some larger) beings, each of the divinity, each more scared the less it's aware of what it is and what it's doing here. If you recognize that, you'll be likely to treat such creatures with the love and sympathy they deserve.
OK...if I may try to apply a touch of logic to this absurdity...
Paul would like us to "take time out from our preoccupation of being human" to notice the animals' "childlikeness"?
And what the fuck does appreciating a groundhog's life have to do with the holiday?
What the fuck is the matter with this dolt? What the fuck is the matter with me for taking the time to type this shit out?
Quote from: Oleg on July 17, 2009, 12:30:48 PM
Quote from: MAD on July 17, 2009, 11:51:04 AM
Quotegroundhog day
Current mood:groundhog
As those of you who really know me know, Groundhog Day is the only holiday I don't think is a sham and a lie. Even though it is, in fact, the most shammingest, lyingest holiday of them all. That paradox lies at the heart of this fine day.
WHY? someone might ask, do you love this holiday. And I'd say, Friend, I love it because it is named after an ungainly rodent, and, in its way, draws attention to his little life. I think, wrapped (and rapt) as we usually are in our own affairs and in the dizzying business of being human, we forget that there exist billions, perhaps trillions of little living beings, each less conscious than we are, but each still more or less aware. These beings live and die in obscurity so deep, in silence so complete, that our own negligible lives seem momentous in comparison. Our world hardly even acknowledges these other creatures. But each one feels, each one lives, and if it can't think as we do, if it belongs to a species that just isn't that far along yet, that only makes its predicament the more poignant.
When did we become human? When did we cross that line? Countless of our ancestors were nameless and, as we judge thinking, thoughtless. Yet such thoughts and feelings as they had contained the germ of all we've since become. I feel sorry for animals and I know they suffer too. And I know they have joy, too, and play more purely than we do. Even the oldest animal has often a childlikeness unseen in human beings after adolescence.. So take time out from the preoccupation with being human to recognize that we share our earth with many smaller (and some larger) beings, each of the divinity, each more scared the less it's aware of what it is and what it's doing here. If you recognize that, you'll be likely to treat such creatures with the love and sympathy they deserve.
OK...if I may try to apply a touch of logic to this absurdity...
Paul would like us to "take time out from our preoccupation of being human" to notice the animals' "childlikeness"?
And what the fuck does appreciating a groundhog's life have to do with the holiday?
What the fuck is the matter with this dolt? What the fuck is the matter with me for taking the time to type this shit out?
You still have 3 hours and 50 minutes of ANGRY to go.
(http://i27.tinypic.com/2ljlttg.png)
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on July 17, 2009, 12:39:14 PM
(http://i27.tinypic.com/2ljlttg.png)
Put up your picture, Romeo, and let's see how many friends you get.
Line up, ladies. (http://images.quickblogcast.com/7/2/6/3/4/152973-143627/ugly_guy.JPEG)
Note: I do not recommend clicking that link. Do so at your own peril.
Looks like these boys were having their own sploogefest: (click on the link to see photos of a couple of these wing-dings)
http://www.press-citizen.com/article/20090717/NEWS01/907170315/1079
July 17, 2009
Police bust nude hot tub party, arrest men
Lee Hermiston
Iowa City Press-Citizen
Two area men were arrested Wednesday morning after police busted a naked hot tub party.
According to Iowa City police criminal complaints, officers were called to 224 S. Governor St. about 3:25 a.m. Wednesday for a report of a loud party. Police said loud voices and shouting could be heard from the 900 block of East College Street, more than a quarter-mile away.
Upon arrival, officers found numerous men and women in and out of the hot tub. They all were naked, police said. Police said one of the men, Nicholas Vincent Mineart, 21, of 224 S. Governor St. was standing on the sidewalk, was naked and was "flailing his genitalia ... and screaming," according to police. Police said Mineart smelled heavily of alcohol, had slurred speech and watery and dilated eyes. Mineart had a blood-alcohol content of .249, which is more than three times the legal limit to operate a motor vehicle in Iowa.
Police said Mineart's actions were disturbing a neighbor. Mineart also refused to give the officers any of his personal information.
Police had problems with another participant at the naked hot tub party. Police said Daniel Allen Dietzel, 22, of Solon, was asked numerous times if he lived at the residence, to which he replied, "kind of." Police said Dietzel also refused to give any personal information and provided officers with false names and dates of birth.
Dietzel was charged with disorderly conduct and obstructing officers. Mineart was charged with disorderly conduct, obstructing officers and public intoxication. Dietzel and Mineart were transported to the Johnson County Jail.
A phone number for Mineart could not be found and he could not be reached for comment.
"We shouldn't have been arrested," Dietzel said. "But that's just the way it goes."
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
When did Mark Chmura relocate to Iowa?
I don't see where any crime was committed. Guy was just hangin' brain is all. Jeez. Friggin' Nazis.
A great quote (that I've heard in one form or another from hundreds of convicts):
"We shouldn't have been arrested," Dietzel said. "But that's just the way it goes."
Quote from: Dave B on July 17, 2009, 01:14:50 PM
Police said one of the men, Nicholas Vincent Mineart, 21, of 224 S. Governor St. was standing on the sidewalk, was naked and was "flailing his genitalia ... and screaming," according to police. Police said Mineart smelled heavily of alcohol, had slurred speech and watery and dilated eyes. Mineart had a blood-alcohol content of .249, which is more than three times the legal limit to operate a motor vehicle in Iowa.
Since he was on the sidewalk instead of behind a steering wheel means he saved a lot of lives.
Give him a fuckin' medal, I say.
Quote from: MAD on July 17, 2009, 01:27:29 PM
When did Mark Chmura relocate to Iowa?
Once again, I must request that someone with more intranets know-how post the Chmura hot tub picture from Despio days of yore. Makes me laugh. Every. Damn. Time.
Quote from: Dave B on July 17, 2009, 01:14:50 PM
Nicholas Vincent Mineart, 21, of 224 S. Governor St. was standing on the sidewalk, was naked and was "flailing his genitalia ... and screaming," according to police.
Police said Mineart's actions were disturbing a neighbor.
You can never believe what the police tell you nowadays.
Quote from: Indolent Reader on July 17, 2009, 03:20:33 PM
Quote from: MAD on July 17, 2009, 01:27:29 PM
When did Mark Chmura relocate to Iowa?
Once again, I must request that someone with more intranets know-how post the Chmura hot tub picture from Despio days of yore. Makes me laugh. Every. Damn. Time.
This one?
(http://www.desipio.com/images/hottub-chmura.jpg)
Quote from: Eli on July 17, 2009, 03:28:35 PM
Quote from: Indolent Reader on July 17, 2009, 03:20:33 PM
Quote from: MAD on July 17, 2009, 01:27:29 PM
When did Mark Chmura relocate to Iowa?
Once again, I must request that someone with more intranets know-how post the Chmura hot tub picture from Despio days of yore. Makes me laugh. Every. Damn. Time.
This one?
(http://www.desipio.com/images/hottub-chmura.jpg)
Indolent Reader asking for someone to dig up that pic is like
Desipio's Groundhog Day...
Quote from: Tank on November 25, 2008, 12:40:43 PM
Quote from: Indolent Reader on November 25, 2008, 12:36:57 PM
This whole discussion has me begging that someone who knows how to use a computer post the Chmura/Hot Tub pic that was a Desipio mainstay back in aught-three or so.
Quote from: ChuckDickens on February 24, 2006, 12:18:20 PM
Quote from: Indolent Reader on February 24, 2006, 12:13:40 PM
dig up the Chmura hot tub picture that was a mainstay on Desipio a few years back? That was hi-larious.
This one?
(http://www.desipio.com/images/hottub-chmura.jpg)
Yes. I've asked for it before. I will ask for it again.
I'm nothing if not consistent.
Quote from: Indolent Reader on July 17, 2009, 03:41:35 PM
Yes. I've asked for it before. I will ask for it again.
I'm nothing if not consistent a dirty meth head.
No hard feelings'd?
Quote from: Slak on July 17, 2009, 04:55:58 PM
Quote from: Indolent Reader on July 17, 2009, 03:41:35 PM
Yes. I've asked for it before. I will ask for it again.
I'm nothing if not consistent a dirty meth head.
No hard feelings'd?
IR is Jeremy Mayfield? Did you know that Yeti looks like Casey Mears?
Quote from: Dave B on July 17, 2009, 02:58:23 PM
A great quote (that I've heard in one form or another from hundreds of convicts):
"We shouldn't have been arrested," Dietzel said. "But that's just the way it goes."
Given what more "convicts" are in jail for than not, I think that the convicts have a pretty damn good point. Police discretion is absurd and abused on a daily basis.
Being able to charge guys for being too drunk and stupid to provide cops with honest information--which the cops will get one way or another--is probably as excessive as things get. Of course, cops lie every day to magistrates in warrant requests, in police reports alleging "probable cause" (e.g. whatever shit the cop decided to make up), and under oath at trial about their respect and adherence to constitutional standards in gathering evidence....and there are very few prosecutors or black robes in our judicial system that look to bust cops' balls rather than bending over backwards with a nod and a wink to their running roughshod over the constitution and individual rights/liberties.
But get really sloshed and lie to a cop with no real mens rea--you get charged for that. Fuck the system, and fuck cops.
I'm with the drunk and retarded 21 year olds on this one...in good part because of my college experience in Pittsburgh. You might have heard that I spent some time in that city.
Actually, no--my distrust of law enforcement comes from three years in Chicago and my criminal procedure classes. Seriously, there are cops who are fucked enough to not rat on fellow officers that took live wires attached to a car battery and touched em to black dudes' nuts. If it weren't for federal civil rights laws, the torturer that ran the show would've walked. And it's like that everywhere when it comes to police misconduct. There can be no good apples when none of the apples are willing to out the lemons to prosecutors.
For all the outrage over Guantanamo, the shit that has been--and continues to be--perpetrated by law enforcement in this city, is what should draw the ire, outrage, and protest of the anti-torture, pro-individual rights, fans of civil liberties (on the left and right). And of our President, for that matter.
Quote from: BH on July 17, 2009, 04:57:44 PM
Quote from: Slak on July 17, 2009, 04:55:58 PM
Quote from: Indolent Reader on July 17, 2009, 03:41:35 PM
Yes. I've asked for it before. I will ask for it again.
I'm nothing if not consistent a dirty meth head.
No hard feelings'd?
IR is Jeremy Mayfield? Did you know that Yeti looks like Casey Mears?
According to one of the customers I encountered at Menards, yes:
(http://www.racestoreonline.com/images/drivers/08_Casey_Mears.jpg)
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 17, 2009, 05:10:18 PM
Quote from: Dave B on July 17, 2009, 02:58:23 PM
A great quote (that I've heard in one form or another from hundreds of convicts):
"We shouldn't have been arrested," Dietzel said. "But that's just the way it goes."
Given what more "convicts" are in jail for than not, I think that the convicts have a pretty damn good point. Police discretion is absurd and abused on a daily basis.
Being able to charge guys for being too drunk and stupid to provide cops with honest information--which the cops will get one way or another--is probably as excessive as things get. Of course, cops lie every day to magistrates in warrant requests, in police reports alleging "probable cause" (e.g. whatever shit the cop decided to make up), and under oath at trial about their respect and adherence to constitutional standards in gathering evidence....and there are very few prosecutors or black robes in our judicial system that look to bust cops' balls rather than bending over backwards with a nod and a wink to their running roughshod over the constitution and individual rights/liberties.
But get really sloshed and lie to a cop with no real mens rea--you get charged for that. Fuck the system, and fuck cops.
I'm with the drunk and retarded 21 year olds on this one...in good part because of my college experience in Pittsburgh. You might have heard that I spent some time in that city.
Actually, no--my distrust of law enforcement comes from three years in Chicago and my criminal procedure classes. Seriously, there are cops who are fucked enough to not rat on fellow officers that took live wires attached to a car battery and touched em to black dudes' nuts. If it weren't for federal civil rights laws, the torturer that ran the show would've walked. And it's like that everywhere when it comes to police misconduct. There can be no good apples when none of the apples are willing to out the lemons to prosecutors.
For all the outrage over Guantanamo, the shit that has been--and continues to be--perpetrated by law enforcement in this city, is what should draw the ire, outrage, and protest of the anti-torture, pro-individual rights, fans of civil liberties (on the left and right). And of our President, for that matter.
If this thread is to celebrate antisplooge, then I think you just won.
Because that sucked to read.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 17, 2009, 05:10:18 PM
Quote from: Dave B on July 17, 2009, 02:58:23 PM
A great quote (that I've heard in one form or another from hundreds of convicts):
"We shouldn't have been arrested," Dietzel said. "But that's just the way it goes."
Given what more "convicts" are in jail for than not, I think that the convicts have a pretty damn good point. Police discretion is absurd and abused on a daily basis.
Being able to charge guys for being too drunk and stupid to provide cops with honest information--which the cops will get one way or another--is probably as excessive as things get. Of course, cops lie every day to magistrates in warrant requests, in police reports alleging "probable cause" (e.g. whatever shit the cop decided to make up), and under oath at trial about their respect and adherence to constitutional standards in gathering evidence....and there are very few prosecutors or black robes in our judicial system that look to bust cops' balls rather than bending over backwards with a nod and a wink to their running roughshod over the constitution and individual rights/liberties.
But get really sloshed and lie to a cop with no real mens rea--you get charged for that. Fuck the system, and fuck cops.
I'm with the drunk and retarded 21 year olds on this one...in good part because of my college experience in Pittsburgh. You might have heard that I spent some time in that city.
Actually, no--my distrust of law enforcement comes from three years in Chicago and my criminal procedure classes. Seriously, there are cops who are fucked enough to not rat on fellow officers that took live wires attached to a car battery and touched em to black dudes' nuts. If it weren't for federal civil rights laws, the torturer that ran the show would've walked. And it's like that everywhere when it comes to police misconduct. There can be no good apples when none of the apples are willing to out the lemons to prosecutors.
For all the outrage over Guantanamo, the shit that has been--and continues to be--perpetrated by law enforcement in this city, is what should draw the ire, outrage, and protest of the anti-torture, pro-individual rights, fans of civil liberties (on the left and right). And of our President, for that matter.
You're just trolling at this point, right?
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 17, 2009, 05:10:18 PM
Quote from: Dave B on July 17, 2009, 02:58:23 PM
A great quote (that I've heard in one form or another from hundreds of convicts):
"We shouldn't have been arrested," Dietzel said. "But that's just the way it goes."
Given what more "convicts" are in jail for than not, I think that the convicts have a pretty damn good point. Police discretion is absurd and abused on a daily basis.
Being able to charge guys for being too drunk and stupid to provide cops with honest information--which the cops will get one way or another--is probably as excessive as things get. Of course, cops lie every day to magistrates in warrant requests, in police reports alleging "probable cause" (e.g. whatever shit the cop decided to make up), and under oath at trial about their respect and adherence to constitutional standards in gathering evidence....and there are very few prosecutors or black robes in our judicial system that look to bust cops' balls rather than bending over backwards with a nod and a wink to their running roughshod over the constitution and individual rights/liberties.
But get really sloshed and lie to a cop with no real mens rea--you get charged for that. Fuck the system, and fuck cops.
I'm with the drunk and retarded 21 year olds on this one...in good part because of my college experience in Pittsburgh. You might have heard that I spent some time in that city.
Actually, no--my distrust of law enforcement comes from three years in Chicago and my criminal procedure classes. Seriously, there are cops who are fucked enough to not rat on fellow officers that took live wires attached to a car battery and touched em to black dudes' nuts. If it weren't for federal civil rights laws, the torturer that ran the show would've walked. And it's like that everywhere when it comes to police misconduct. There can be no good apples when none of the apples are willing to out the lemons to prosecutors.
For all the outrage over Guantanamo, the shit that has been--and continues to be--perpetrated by law enforcement in this city, is what should draw the ire, outrage, and protest of the anti-torture, pro-individual rights, fans of civil liberties (on the left and right). And of our President, for that matter.
Generalize enough lately?
I won't belabor the point about my family's predilection for choosing careers in the law enforcement field, or our (meaning you and me) shared vocation within the legal community, but by and large, I think stepping out onto the streets with relatively little protecting one from the scum of the earth (several of whom have made it their stated intention to do law enforcement harm), overrides alot of what you mentioned here.
Are there bad cops? Of course. But on the whole, they do a job that I guarantee you (and I) would never do. I think for the shit that they receive, they should get the benefit of the doubt...most times.
And look, I can make a point with qualifiers on my generalities.
BTW, you are quickly making a MikeC post look better than yours...just saying.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 17, 2009, 05:10:18 PM
Quote from: Dave B on July 17, 2009, 02:58:23 PM
A great quote (that I've heard in one form or another from hundreds of convicts):
"We shouldn't have been arrested," Dietzel said. "But that's just the way it goes."
Given what more "convicts" are in jail for than not, I think that the convicts have a pretty damn good point. Police discretion is absurd and abused on a daily basis.
Being able to charge guys for being too drunk and stupid to provide cops with honest information--which the cops will get one way or another--is probably as excessive as things get. Of course, cops lie every day to magistrates in warrant requests, in police reports alleging "probable cause" (e.g. whatever shit the cop decided to make up), and under oath at trial about their respect and adherence to constitutional standards in gathering evidence....and there are very few prosecutors or black robes in our judicial system that look to bust cops' balls rather than bending over backwards with a nod and a wink to their running roughshod over the constitution and individual rights/liberties.
But get really sloshed and lie to a cop with no real mens rea--you get charged for that. Fuck the system, and fuck cops.
I'm with the drunk and retarded 21 year olds on this one...in good part because of my college experience in Pittsburgh. You might have heard that I spent some time in that city.
Actually, no--my distrust of law enforcement comes from three years in Chicago and my criminal procedure classes. Seriously, there are cops who are fucked enough to not rat on fellow officers that took live wires attached to a car battery and touched em to black dudes' nuts. If it weren't for federal civil rights laws, the torturer that ran the show would've walked. And it's like that everywhere when it comes to police misconduct. There can be no good apples when none of the apples are willing to out the lemons to prosecutors.
For all the outrage over Guantanamo, the shit that has been--and continues to be--perpetrated by law enforcement in this city, is what should draw the ire, outrage, and protest of the anti-torture, pro-individual rights, fans of civil liberties (on the left and right). And of our President, for that matter. I'm in law school and I haven't talked about that in 2 hours.
Quote from: IrishYeti on July 17, 2009, 05:12:00 PM
Quote from: BH on July 17, 2009, 04:57:44 PM
Quote from: Slak on July 17, 2009, 04:55:58 PM
Quote from: Indolent Reader on July 17, 2009, 03:41:35 PM
Yes. I've asked for it before. I will ask for it again.
I'm nothing if not consistent a dirty meth head.
No hard feelings'd?
IR is Jeremy Mayfield? Did you know that Yeti looks like Casey Mears?
According to one of the customers I encountered at Menards, yes:
(http://www.racestoreonline.com/images/drivers/08_Casey_Mears.jpg)
I'm not dirty.
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on July 17, 2009, 06:31:26 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 17, 2009, 05:10:18 PM
Quote from: Dave B on July 17, 2009, 02:58:23 PM
A great quote (that I've heard in one form or another from hundreds of convicts):
"We shouldn't have been arrested," Dietzel said. "But that's just the way it goes."
Given what more "convicts" are in jail for than not, I think that the convicts have a pretty damn good point. Police discretion is absurd and abused on a daily basis.
Being able to charge guys for being too drunk and stupid to provide cops with honest information--which the cops will get one way or another--is probably as excessive as things get. Of course, cops lie every day to magistrates in warrant requests, in police reports alleging "probable cause" (e.g. whatever shit the cop decided to make up), and under oath at trial about their respect and adherence to constitutional standards in gathering evidence....and there are very few prosecutors or black robes in our judicial system that look to bust cops' balls rather than bending over backwards with a nod and a wink to their running roughshod over the constitution and individual rights/liberties.
But get really sloshed and lie to a cop with no real mens rea--you get charged for that. Fuck the system, and fuck cops.
I'm with the drunk and retarded 21 year olds on this one...in good part because of my college experience in Pittsburgh. You might have heard that I spent some time in that city.
Actually, no--my distrust of law enforcement comes from three years in Chicago and my criminal procedure classes. Seriously, there are cops who are fucked enough to not rat on fellow officers that took live wires attached to a car battery and touched em to black dudes' nuts. If it weren't for federal civil rights laws, the torturer that ran the show would've walked. And it's like that everywhere when it comes to police misconduct. There can be no good apples when none of the apples are willing to out the lemons to prosecutors.
For all the outrage over Guantanamo, the shit that has been--and continues to be--perpetrated by law enforcement in this city, is what should draw the ire, outrage, and protest of the anti-torture, pro-individual rights, fans of civil liberties (on the left and right). And of our President, for that matter.
Generalize enough lately?
I won't belabor the point about my family's predilection for choosing careers in the law enforcement field, or our (meaning you and me) shared vocation within the legal community, but by and large, I think stepping out onto the streets with relatively little protecting one from the scum of the earth (several of whom have made it their stated intention to do law enforcement harm), overrides alot of what you mentioned here.
Are there bad cops? Of course. But on the whole, they do a job that I guarantee you (and I) would never do. I think for the shit that they receive, they should get the benefit of the doubt...most times.
And look, I can make a point with qualifiers on my generalities.
BTW, you are quickly making a MikeC post look better than yours...just saying.
Sorry, "doing a tough, shitty job" doesn't mean they have to stand up for their asshole co-workers who beat up a 110-pound female bartender, or who plant evidence on a suspect, or who torture a guy, or who drive drunk and cause fatal accidents. That's a consistently weak, bullshit rationalization that I've heard hundreds of times over the years (including on occasion, from my friends and family in the law enforcement community, and I've changed at least one mind there), and it doesn't get any better with age.
The dude's post above was way, way over the top, but his comment about apples and lemons was spot on. The problem isn't that there's "bad cops." The problem is that the good cops not only don't do anything to get rid of the "bad cops," they actually go to the mat to defend them and all manner of assorted criminal and thug behavior.
CPD has a serious credibility and trust problem with many, many *law-abiding* citizens in this city. They can remain in denial about that fact, and blame the citizenry (making it tougher to do their jobs, and tougher to actually put away the bad guys, since convictions are a lot harder to obtain when juries don't think law enforcement is on the up-and-up), or they can start doing something about it, and start ridding their ranks of the problems.
Yes, it's a hard job. But they knew that going in. "Obeying the law" isn't that difficult of a standard for them to be held to. If that's too onerous, find another line of work.
Bump.
Quote from: Day Man on July 17, 2009, 12:39:14 PM
(http://i27.tinypic.com/2ljlttg.png)
Update: Paul has 27 friends.