I've always been more of a pro football guy, but I've never been inclined to give the amateurs short shrift. So here it is.
I'll be in East Lansing Saturday watching some Big Sky patsy take their lumps against the Spartans, wondering how much schaudenrfeude the MSU fans will have at what's going on in Ann Arbor. (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/247411-michigans-rich-rodriguez-the-hits-just-keep-on-comin)
Will Tim Tebow walk on water this year?
Will the SEC still dominate?
Will the Big 10 be competitive?
Will Charlie Weis' frontbutt continue to get larger?
Will Illinois rebound this season?
Dows NIU have any chance against Wisconsin and Purdue?
Will JD now post more than once every 3 weeks?
Shit begins tonight. Oregon and Boise State looks like good matchup late tonight to kick things off.
Have at it, boys.
Quote from: MAD on September 03, 2009, 10:25:59 AM
I've always been more of a pro football guy, but I've never been inclined to give the amateurs short shrift. So here it is.
I'll be in East Lansing Satruday watching some Big Sky patsy take their lumps against the Spartans, wondering how much schaudenrfeude the MSU fans will have at what's going on in Ann Arbor. (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/247411-michigans-rich-rodriguez-the-hits-just-keep-on-comin)
Will Tim Tebow walk on water this year?
Will the SEC still dominate?
Will the Big 10 be competitive?
Will Charlie Weis' frontbutt continue to get larger?
Will Illinois rebound this season?
Dows NIU have any chance against Wisconsin and Purdue?
Will JD now post more than once every 3 weeks?
Shit begins tonight. Oregon and Boise State looks like good matchup late tonight to kick things off.
Have at it, boys.
Will Tim Tebow walk on water this year? Yes.
Will the SEC still dominate? Yes.
Will the Big 10 be competitive? Not really.
Will Charlie Weis' frontbutt continue to get larger? Till they can't fire him because it would cost too much to have him moved.
Will Illinois rebound this season? Yes. 8-4.
Dows NIU have any chance against Wisconsin and Purdue? No, Maybe.
Will JD now post more than once every 3 weeks? Not likely.
Quote from: SKO on September 03, 2009, 10:32:42 AM
Quote from: MAD on September 03, 2009, 10:25:59 AM
I've always been more of a pro football guy, but I've never been inclined to give the amateurs short shrift. So here it is.
I'll be in East Lansing Satruday watching some Big Sky patsy take their lumps against the Spartans, wondering how much schaudenrfeude the MSU fans will have at what's going on in Ann Arbor. (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/247411-michigans-rich-rodriguez-the-hits-just-keep-on-comin)
Will Tim Tebow walk on water this year?
Will the SEC still dominate?
Will the Big 10 be competitive?
Will Charlie Weis' frontbutt continue to get larger?
Will Illinois rebound this season?
Dows NIU have any chance against Wisconsin and Purdue?
Will JD now post more than once every 3 weeks?
Shit begins tonight. Oregon and Boise State looks like good matchup late tonight to kick things off.
Have at it, boys.
Will Tim Tebow walk on water this year? Yes.
Will the SEC still dominate? Yes.
Will the Big 10 be competitive? Not really.
Will Charlie Weis' frontbutt continue to get larger? Till they can't fire him because it would cost too much to have him moved.
Will Illinois rebound this season? Yes. 8-4.
Dows NIU have any chance against Wisconsin and Purdue? No, Maybe.
Will JD now post more than once every 3 weeks? Not likely.
I hope you're wrong. I root for ND, but I'm looking forward to the Weis jokes.
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Like the Rivals.com preview of the Illini said, we'll know alot about the team after the first four weeks. They have Mizzou on Saturday, then Illinois State, and then Ohio State and Penn State.
It should be interesting. I'll also be taking an extended holiday to come home for Homecoming down in Champaign. I expect to be drunk from the moment I arrive.
Also, I have a man crush on Arrelious Benn.
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on September 03, 2009, 11:28:23 AM
Like the Rivals.com preview of the Illini said, we'll know alot about the team after the first four weeks. They have Mizzou on Saturday, then Illinois State, and then Ohio State and Penn State.
It should be interesting. I'll also be taking an extended holiday to come home for Homecoming down in Champaign. I expect to be drunk from the moment I arrive.
Also, I have a man crush of Arrelious Benn.
Needless to say, the Mizzou game is a must win so they have a decent chance at starting 2-2, fortunately the schedule eases up after that, although I still want to know why the fuck Ron Guenther scheduled a non-conference game in November AT Cincinnati, the Big East favorite. I've got tickets to the Penn State game in Champaign, so even more reason to hope for the upset.
Quote from: SKO on September 03, 2009, 11:32:14 AM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on September 03, 2009, 11:28:23 AM
Like the Rivals.com preview of the Illini said, we'll know alot about the team after the first four weeks. They have Mizzou on Saturday, then Illinois State, and then Ohio State and Penn State.
It should be interesting. I'll also be taking an extended holiday to come home for Homecoming down in Champaign. I expect to be drunk from the moment I arrive.
Also, I have a man crush of Arrelious Benn.
Needless to say, the Mizzou game is a must win so they have a decent chance at starting 2-2, fortunately the schedule eases up after that, although I still want to know why the fuck Ron Guenther scheduled a non-conference game in November AT Cincinnati, the Big East favorite. I've got tickets to the Penn State game in Champaign, so even more reason to hope for the upset.
Also, what's up with Fresno State at the end of the season, at home? I mean for both teams? Why would Fresno want to come to what will probably be a freezing Champaign?
Quote from: SKO on September 03, 2009, 11:32:14 AM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on September 03, 2009, 11:28:23 AM
Like the Rivals.com preview of the Illini said, we'll know alot about the team after the first four weeks. They have Mizzou on Saturday, then Illinois State, and then Ohio State and Penn State.
It should be interesting. I'll also be taking an extended holiday to come home for Homecoming down in Champaign. I expect to be drunk from the moment I arrive.
Also, I have a man crush of Arrelious Benn.
Needless to say, the Mizzou game is a must win so they have a decent chance at starting 2-2, fortunately the schedule eases up after that, although I still want to know why the fuck Ron Guenther scheduled a non-conference game in November AT Cincinnati, the Big East favorite. I've got tickets to the Penn State game in Champaign, so even more reason to hope for the upset.
When it comes to scheduling Ron Guenther is absolutely clueless. The first few years at least after rebuilding the stadium should have 7 home games.
Oregon runningback Legarette Blount (who said Boise State "had an ass whuppin" coming to them before the game), apparently didn't take well to having his statement shoved back in his face after Boise's 19-8 win. And by didn't take it well, I mean, he cold cocked a dude in the face.
http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2009/09/04/legarrette-blount-will-have-the-full-calorie-insanity-plz/#more-11916
Quote from: SKO on September 04, 2009, 07:31:13 AM
Oregon runningback Legarette Blount (who said Boise State "had an ass whuppin" coming to them before the game), apparently didn't take well to having his statement shoved back in his face after Boise's 19-8 win. And by didn't take it well, I mean, he cold cocked a dude in the face.
http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2009/09/04/legarrette-blount-will-have-the-full-calorie-insanity-plz/#more-11916
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TEC'd
I definitely watched the wrong game. That NC State, South Carolina game was a snooze.
Quote from: World B Free on September 04, 2009, 10:20:42 AM
I definitely watched the wrong game. That NC State, South Carolina game was a snooze.
Boise St.-Oregon was pretty awful too. I can't believe many people stuck around long enough to see the punch.
So what did you guys think of that Illini season? Wasn't very long or exciting.
Quote from: Slak on September 05, 2009, 04:48:40 PM
So what did you guys think of that Illini season? Wasn't very long or exciting.
At least we found out early that they are shitty.
The Bears better make the playoffs, or I am just going to start running over people. This is fucking ridiculous, yet another shitastic sports year is circling down the drain...
Go Cats! After toppling mighty Towson, anything is possible.
Quote from: Waco Kid on September 05, 2009, 04:56:49 PM
Quote from: Slak on September 05, 2009, 04:48:40 PM
So what did you guys think of that Illini season? Wasn't very long or exciting.
At least we found out early that they are shitty.
I like that you guys still had enough faith in the team to be disappointed.
Quote from: CT III on September 05, 2009, 05:49:23 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on September 05, 2009, 04:56:49 PM
Quote from: Slak on September 05, 2009, 04:48:40 PM
So what did you guys think of that Illini season? Wasn't very long or exciting.
At least we found out early that they are shitty.
I like that you guys still had enough faith in the team to be disappointed.
I blacked out last night, so I don't remember just how shitty they actually were.
But if Weebs doesn't care about them, I don't either.
Sincerely,
TDubbs
I would like to put in a word for the Cal Bears. That word is "Best".
Quote from: CBStew on September 06, 2009, 10:59:56 AM
I would like to put in a word for the Cal Bears. That word is "Best".
Cal looked "Capable of beating USC" dangerous last night. Good stuff from those guys.
Holy hell is Rutgers getting its ass kicked by Cincinnati.
Can the best game of the year be in the first week? Univ of Miami 38, FSU 34. Game ended on a FSU dropped ball in the end zone with no time left. Six lead changes. Miami QB sets the record for passing yardage in a UM-FSU game (and there have been more than a few decent quarterbacks in that series). Neither defense was very good, but still a really entertaining game with loads of huge plays. And Bowden lost.
Why couldn't the Illini tackle anyone? Also, how can you miss a fucking extra point? What the fuck?
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on September 08, 2009, 01:52:09 AM
Why couldn't the Illini New Mexico State tackle anyone? Also, how can you miss a fucking extra point? What the fuck?
TEC'd.
And the National Champions (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recap?gid=200909050002) continue their reign...
Yes, Iowa got lucky. But can anyone explain the logic of why a blocked kick that doesn't cross the line of scrimmage that is recovered by the kicking team results in a clock stoppage? Why is that any different from a fumble recovery or a recovery of a dropped lateral?
The clock should have run out after the first block.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 08, 2009, 11:09:11 AM
Yes, Iowa got lucky. But can anyone explain the logic of why a blocked kick that doesn't cross the line of scrimmage that is recovered by the kicking team results in a clock stoppage? Why is that any different from a fumble recovery or a recovery of a dropped lateral?
The clock should have run out after the first block.
Iowa State will beat them. Their inability to stop Northern Iowa when it went 5 wide is concerning, considering Iowa State runs a spread with a pretty decent quarterback in Austin Arnaud.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 08, 2009, 11:09:11 AM
Yes, Iowa got lucky. But can anyone explain the logic of why a blocked kick that doesn't cross the line of scrimmage that is recovered by the kicking team results in a clock stoppage? Why is that any different from a fumble recovery or a recovery of a dropped lateral?
Considering that he is not only our Resident Desipio Rules Expert (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=1811.0) but an Iowa grad, I would expect a Dave B. post in 3...2...1...
Quote from: MAD on September 08, 2009, 11:15:11 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 08, 2009, 11:09:11 AM
Yes, Iowa got lucky. But can anyone explain the logic of why a blocked kick that doesn't cross the line of scrimmage that is recovered by the kicking team results in a clock stoppage? Why is that any different from a fumble recovery or a recovery of a dropped lateral?
Considering that he is not only our Resident Desipio Rules Expert (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=1811.0) but an Iowa grad, I would expect a Dave B. post in 3...2...1...
If the answer is, "Because the rule is written that way," then it's a fucking dumb rule. One hopes it's not because a blocked FG takes longer to untangle the bodies than any other type of play does.
There is some logic here. Right?
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4451405
""Not everybody is the perfect person in the world," Pryor said of Vick. "Everyone does -- kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me. I just feel that people need to give him a chance.""
Quote from: BH on September 08, 2009, 11:41:48 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4451405
""Not everybody is the perfect person in the world," Pryor said of Vick. "Everyone does -- kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me. I just feel that people need to give him a chance.""
He's right. In fact, I killed three guys before coming into work today. No biggie.
Quote from: BH on September 08, 2009, 11:41:48 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4451405
""Not everybody is the perfect person in the world," Pryor said of Vick. "Everyone does -- kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me. I just feel that people need to give him a chance.""
Ted Lilly doesn't see a problem with this quote.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 08, 2009, 11:21:10 AM
Quote from: MAD on September 08, 2009, 11:15:11 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 08, 2009, 11:09:11 AM
Yes, Iowa got lucky. But can anyone explain the logic of why a blocked kick that doesn't cross the line of scrimmage that is recovered by the kicking team results in a clock stoppage? Why is that any different from a fumble recovery or a recovery of a dropped lateral?
Considering that he is not only our Resident Desipio Rules Expert (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=1811.0) but an Iowa grad, I would expect a Dave B. post in 3...2...1...
If the answer is, "Because the rule is written that way," then it's a fucking dumb rule. One hopes it's not because a blocked FG takes longer to untangle the bodies than any other type of play does.
There is some logic here. Right?
A blocked field goal is treated like an incomplete pass.
So it looks like I'm going to spend the rest of the college football season hoping that the Notre Dame win was a fluke, hoping USC loses to someone and watching the SEC eat itself.
Fun?
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 08, 2009, 01:02:08 PM
A blocked field goal is treated like an incomplete pass.
That's nuts. It's a live ball when it hits the ground like a fumble. I could see it treated as incomplete if it's a dead ball when it hits the ground. Is that college only or NFL too?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 08, 2009, 01:29:40 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 08, 2009, 01:02:08 PM
A blocked field goal is treated like an incomplete pass.
That's nuts. It's a live ball when it hits the ground like a fumble. I could see it treated as incomplete if it's a dead ball when it hits the ground. Is that college only or NFL too?
I thought it was a live ball behind the line of scrimmage, can't be advanced by the kicking team if it's beyond the line of scrimmage.
Quote from: Fork on September 08, 2009, 01:46:29 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 08, 2009, 01:29:40 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 08, 2009, 01:02:08 PM
A blocked field goal is treated like an incomplete pass.
That's nuts. It's a live ball when it hits the ground like a fumble. I could see it treated as incomplete if it's a dead ball when it hits the ground. Is that college only or NFL too?
I thought it was a live ball behind the line of scrimmage, can't be advanced by the kicking team if it's beyond the line of scrimmage.
That's correct. But in terms of the clock, it's treated like an incomplete pass, clock stops and they respot the ball.
If the ball is beyond the LOS and is touched by the defensive team, the kicking team can recover it. That's why the Iowa kids stayed away from the ball the first time.
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 08, 2009, 02:04:08 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 08, 2009, 01:46:29 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 08, 2009, 01:29:40 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 08, 2009, 01:02:08 PM
A blocked field goal is treated like an incomplete pass.
That's nuts. It's a live ball when it hits the ground like a fumble. I could see it treated as incomplete if it's a dead ball when it hits the ground. Is that college only or NFL too?
I thought it was a live ball behind the line of scrimmage, can't be advanced by the kicking team if it's beyond the line of scrimmage.
That's correct. But in terms of the clock, it's treated like an incomplete pass, clock stops and they respot the ball.
If the ball is beyond the LOS and is touched by the defensive team, the kicking team can recover it. That's why the Iowa kids stayed away from the ball the first time.
Can the kicking team advance the ball if recovered behind the line? I seem to recall a Bear-Packer game that allowed such an advance, but that ball was caught on the fly if I remember right.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 08, 2009, 02:13:36 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 08, 2009, 02:04:08 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 08, 2009, 01:46:29 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 08, 2009, 01:29:40 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 08, 2009, 01:02:08 PM
A blocked field goal is treated like an incomplete pass.
That's nuts. It's a live ball when it hits the ground like a fumble. I could see it treated as incomplete if it's a dead ball when it hits the ground. Is that college only or NFL too?
I thought it was a live ball behind the line of scrimmage, can't be advanced by the kicking team if it's beyond the line of scrimmage.
That's correct. But in terms of the clock, it's treated like an incomplete pass, clock stops and they respot the ball.
If the ball is beyond the LOS and is touched by the defensive team, the kicking team can recover it. That's why the Iowa kids stayed away from the ball the first time.
Can the kicking team advance the ball if recovered behind the line? I seem to recall a Bear-Packer game that allowed such an advance, but that ball was caught on the fly if I remember right.
According to the NCAA rulebook the kicking team can recover - and advance - a blocked kick or punt that is picked up behind the LOS. I assume this is still true in the NFL as well.
And I remember that game too. Chester Marcol was the kicker for the Packers who picked up the ball and ran it in for a TD in overtime.
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 08, 2009, 02:19:37 PM
According to the NCAA rulebook the kicking team can recover - and advance - a blocked kick or punt that is picked up behind the LOS. I assume this is still true in the NFL as well.
OK. Then there is no logic to this being considered the same as an incomplete pass.
I now have a new direction for my bile now that Alfonso Soriano is in the right place to help the Cubs the most.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 08, 2009, 02:13:36 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 08, 2009, 02:04:08 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 08, 2009, 01:46:29 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 08, 2009, 01:29:40 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 08, 2009, 01:02:08 PM
A blocked field goal is treated like an incomplete pass.
That's nuts. It's a live ball when it hits the ground like a fumble. I could see it treated as incomplete if it's a dead ball when it hits the ground. Is that college only or NFL too?
I thought it was a live ball behind the line of scrimmage, can't be advanced by the kicking team if it's beyond the line of scrimmage.
That's correct. But in terms of the clock, it's treated like an incomplete pass, clock stops and they respot the ball.
If the ball is beyond the LOS and is touched by the defensive team, the kicking team can recover it. That's why the Iowa kids stayed away from the ball the first time.
Can the kicking team advance the ball if recovered behind the line? I seem to recall a Bear-Packer game that allowed such an advance, but that ball was caught on the fly if I remember right.
Why did you have to remind me of Chester Marcol, you horrible, horrible monster?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 08, 2009, 02:23:29 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 08, 2009, 02:19:37 PM
According to the NCAA rulebook the kicking team can recover - and advance - a blocked kick or punt that is picked up behind the LOS. I assume this is still true in the NFL as well.
OK. Then there is no logic to this being considered the same as an incomplete pass.
I now have a new direction for my bile now that Alfonso Soriano is in the right place to help the Cubs the most.
When did Fonzy die?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 08, 2009, 02:23:29 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 08, 2009, 02:19:37 PM
According to the NCAA rulebook the kicking team can recover - and advance - a blocked kick or punt that is picked up behind the LOS. I assume this is still true in the NFL as well.
OK. Then there is no logic to this being considered the same as an incomplete pass.
I now have a new direction for my bile now that Alfonso Soriano is in the right place to help the Cubs the most.
Actuallly, there is nothing I can find in the rulebook that indicates why they don't restart the clock once the ball is spotted in that situation. I just assumed they treated it like a forward pass.
They would have to stop the clock to unpile and determine who recovered the ball but in any other instance they would restart the clock unless there was a change of possession.
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 08, 2009, 02:40:38 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 08, 2009, 02:23:29 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 08, 2009, 02:19:37 PM
According to the NCAA rulebook the kicking team can recover - and advance - a blocked kick or punt that is picked up behind the LOS. I assume this is still true in the NFL as well.
OK. Then there is no logic to this being considered the same as an incomplete pass.
I now have a new direction for my bile now that Alfonso Soriano is in the right place to help the Cubs the most.
Actuallly, there is nothing I can find in the rulebook that indicates why they don't restart the clock once the ball is spotted in that situation. I just assumed they treated it like a forward pass.
They would have to stop the clock to unpile and determine who recovered the ball but in any other instance they would restart the clock unless there was a change of possession.
There would have to be a clock stoppage, since if the kicking team recovered, it would either be a first down, in which case the clock stops until the chains are moved, or change of posession on downs.
This is assuming the only non-fourth-down kicking situations occur when there's no time left on the clock for another play.
Quote from: Fork on September 08, 2009, 02:44:17 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 08, 2009, 02:40:38 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 08, 2009, 02:23:29 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 08, 2009, 02:19:37 PM
According to the NCAA rulebook the kicking team can recover - and advance - a blocked kick or punt that is picked up behind the LOS. I assume this is still true in the NFL as well.
OK. Then there is no logic to this being considered the same as an incomplete pass.
I now have a new direction for my bile now that Alfonso Soriano is in the right place to help the Cubs the most.
Actuallly, there is nothing I can find in the rulebook that indicates why they don't restart the clock once the ball is spotted in that situation. I just assumed they treated it like a forward pass.
They would have to stop the clock to unpile and determine who recovered the ball but in any other instance they would restart the clock unless there was a change of possession.
There would have to be a clock stoppage, since if the kicking team recovered, it would either be a first down, in which case the clock stops until the chains are moved, or change of posession on downs.
This is assuming the only non-fourth-down kicking situations occur when there's no time left on the clock for another play.
Except the first field goal in this case was on third down, not fourth down. UNI couldn't pick up a first down on the recovery unless an Iowa guy gained possession of it then fumbled it back to them. I looked at the play-by-play on line and it didn't indicate that UNI took a time-out.
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 08, 2009, 02:50:45 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 08, 2009, 02:44:17 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 08, 2009, 02:40:38 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 08, 2009, 02:23:29 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 08, 2009, 02:19:37 PM
According to the NCAA rulebook the kicking team can recover - and advance - a blocked kick or punt that is picked up behind the LOS. I assume this is still true in the NFL as well.
OK. Then there is no logic to this being considered the same as an incomplete pass.
I now have a new direction for my bile now that Alfonso Soriano is in the right place to help the Cubs the most.
Actuallly, there is nothing I can find in the rulebook that indicates why they don't restart the clock once the ball is spotted in that situation. I just assumed they treated it like a forward pass.
They would have to stop the clock to unpile and determine who recovered the ball but in any other instance they would restart the clock unless there was a change of possession.
There would have to be a clock stoppage, since if the kicking team recovered, it would either be a first down, in which case the clock stops until the chains are moved, or change of posession on downs.
This is assuming the only non-fourth-down kicking situations occur when there's no time left on the clock for another play.
Except the first field goal in this case was on third down, not fourth down. UNI couldn't pick up a first down on the recovery unless an Iowa guy gained possession of it then fumbled it back to them. I looked at the play-by-play on line and it didn't indicate that UNI took a time-out.
It probably worked to UNI's disadvantage--there was the review, which required the clock stoppage... UNI could've been in position to snap and kick before the Iowa D was really set, if you think about it...probably a higher chance of not getting blocked. Maybe a higher chance to miss, but given the outcome...
But the ref said the clock stopped by rule. Maybe there's something with kicks, that the clock stops after the completion of every legal kicking play?
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on September 09, 2009, 01:37:15 AM
But the ref said the clock stopped by rule. Maybe there's something with kicks, that the clock stops after the completion of every legal kicking play?
Looking at the rules and considering what occured in this scenario, I have to think that a field goal attempt is considered a "legal kick down", which would mean the clock would be stopped until the next snap.
I just thought the NCAA had finally instituted my long hoped for rule, where teams are given as many chances as necessary to beat Iowa. Then they blocked the second kick and my hopes were dashed.
Quote from: SKO on September 09, 2009, 08:11:38 AM
I just thought the NCAA had finally instituted my long hoped for rule, where teams are given as many chances as necessary to beat Iowa. Then they blocked the second kick and my hopes were dashed.
Usually you don't need that many chances to beat Iowa unless your program really sucks.
Like Illinois, for example.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 09, 2009, 08:18:20 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 09, 2009, 08:11:38 AM
I just thought the NCAA had finally instituted my long hoped for rule, where teams are given as many chances as necessary to beat Iowa. Then they blocked the second kick and my hopes were dashed.
Usually you don't need that many chances to beat Iowa unless your program really sucks recently.
Like Illinois, for example.
More Rose Bowl appearances, Rose Bowl wins, Big Ten Titles, BCS Bowls, and National Championships than Iowa'd.
Quote from: SKO on September 09, 2009, 08:52:17 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 09, 2009, 08:18:20 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 09, 2009, 08:11:38 AM
I just thought the NCAA had finally instituted my long hoped for rule, where teams are given as many chances as necessary to beat Iowa. Then they blocked the second kick and my hopes were dashed.
Usually you don't need that many chances to beat Iowa unless your program really sucks recently.
Like Illinois, for example.
More Rose Bowl appearances, Rose Bowl wins, Big Ten Titles, BCS Bowls, and National Championships than Iowa'd.
So 100 years ago or so, the Illini were better? That's a feather in your cap.
We're losing sight here of the fact that IAN has won Huey over to his side...
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Quote from: Gil Gunderson on September 08, 2009, 12:28:19 PM
Quote from: BH on September 08, 2009, 11:41:48 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4451405
""Not everybody is the perfect person in the world," Pryor said of Vick. "Everyone does -- kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me. I just feel that people need to give him a chance.""
He's right. In fact, I killed three guys strippers before coming into work finishing my Cobb salad at lunch today. No biggie.
Classy buffet'd
Quote from: SKO on September 09, 2009, 08:52:17 AM
More Rose Bowl appearances
No. 5-5
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Rose Bowl wins
Yes. 3-2
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Big Ten Titles
Yes. 15-11
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BCS Bowls
Yes. 2-1
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National Championships than Iowa'd.
Yes, 5-4.
Iowa does have more Heisman trophy winners.
And you forgot NCAA infractions. Illinois leads there as well.
Quote from: ChuckD on September 09, 2009, 09:16:38 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 09, 2009, 08:52:17 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 09, 2009, 08:18:20 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 09, 2009, 08:11:38 AM
I just thought the NCAA had finally instituted my long hoped for rule, where teams are given as many chances as necessary to beat Iowa. Then they blocked the second kick and my hopes were dashed.
Usually you don't need that many chances to beat Iowa unless your program really sucks recently.
Like Illinois, for example.
More Rose Bowl appearances, Rose Bowl wins, Big Ten Titles, BCS Bowls, and National Championships than Iowa'd.
So 100 years ago or so, the Illini were better? That's a feather in your cap.
Okay, in 2007-2008, Illinois went 14-11. Iowa went 15-10. Illinois went to a Rose Bowl, Iowa went to the Outback Bowl. Illinois is poorly coached, but if you want to play the "recently" more successful card, you'd better specify over the last four or five years or something. But then of course you actually Are going into the past, which slowly becomes irrelevant. Hell, you can even just base it on last year and say Iowa had a better record, but of course then I have the caveat of saying that Illinois beat Iowa. Or you could go with the fact that one team is 1-0 with a nail biting win over an AA school, and the other is 0-1 with a loss to a team that won 10 games last year in one of the toughest conferences in football. Because comparing those two would be Apples to Apples.
All of this is pointless as I think both teams suck, and they don't play each other this year, and Iowa will probably have a better record because their AD knows how to Not schedule non-conference games against the Big East favorite, a Big 12 team thats won ten or more games in each of the last two years, and a perennial bowl contender in Fresno State.
And Illinois has more College Hall of Famers. So stick that in your pipe and.....fuck it. Go Bears. This college football season holds no hope for me beyond my bandwagon fandom of Florida that started back in the Spurrier days. But even that doesn't bring me happiness, because it's filthy and wrong.
Quote from: SKO on September 09, 2009, 09:31:52 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 09, 2009, 09:16:38 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 09, 2009, 08:52:17 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 09, 2009, 08:18:20 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 09, 2009, 08:11:38 AM
I just thought the NCAA had finally instituted my long hoped for rule, where teams are given as many chances as necessary to beat Iowa. Then they blocked the second kick and my hopes were dashed.
Usually you don't need that many chances to beat Iowa unless your program really sucks recently.
Like Illinois, for example.
More Rose Bowl appearances, Rose Bowl wins, Big Ten Titles, BCS Bowls, and National Championships than Iowa'd.
So 100 years ago or so, the Illini were better? That's a feather in your cap.
Okay, in 2007-2008, Illinois went 14-11. Iowa went 15-10. Illinois went to a Rose Bowl, Iowa went to the Outback Bowl. Illinois is poorly coached, but if you want to play the "recently" more successful card, you'd better specify over the last four or five years or something. But then of course you actually Are going into the past, which slowly becomes irrelevant. Hell, you can even just base it on last year and say Iowa had a better record, but of course then I have the caveat of saying that Illinois beat Iowa. Or you could go with the fact that one team is 1-0 with a nail biting win over an AA school, and the other is 0-1 with a loss to a team that won 10 games last year in one of the toughest conferences in football. Because comparing those two would be Apples to Apples.
Oh, I'm sorry, cocklord. You must've mistaken me for someone who cared.
(Besides, if you really wanted to play a trump card, you'd say that since half of the University of Iowa student body is comprised of Illinois rejects, the Illini should get partial credit for Iowa's recent success.)
Edit: Also, you're an ignorant slut. QED
Quote from: ChuckD on September 09, 2009, 09:39:12 AM
(Besides, if you really wanted to play a trump card, you'd say that since half of the University of Iowa student body is comprised of Illinois rejects, the Illini should get partial credit for Iowa's recent success.)
An Illinois reject is just someone who didn't know Blago.
Quote from: ChuckD on September 09, 2009, 09:39:12 AM
(Besides, if you really wanted to play a trump card, you'd say that since half of the University of Iowa student body is comprised of Illinois rejects, the Illini should get partial credit for Iowa's recent success.)
Or, half the University of Iowa student body is comprised of Illinoisans who were smart enough to not want to spend four years in Champaign.
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 09, 2009, 10:11:11 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 09, 2009, 09:39:12 AM
(Besides, if you really wanted to play a trump card, you'd say that since half of the University of Iowa student body is comprised of Illinois rejects, the Illini should get partial credit for Iowa's recent success.)
Or, half the University of Iowa student body is comprised of Illinoisans who were smart enough to not want to spend four years in Champaign.
Because Iowa City's such a god damn paradise. They have a Bennigans at the Coralville Mall.
Quote from: SKO on September 09, 2009, 10:14:23 AM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 09, 2009, 10:11:11 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 09, 2009, 09:39:12 AM
(Besides, if you really wanted to play a trump card, you'd say that since half of the University of Iowa student body is comprised of Illinois rejects, the Illini should get partial credit for Iowa's recent success.)
Or, half the University of Iowa student body is comprised of Illinoisans who were smart enough to not want to spend four years in Champaign.
Because Iowa City's such a god damn paradise. They have a Bennigans at the Coralville Mall.
Meh, we're all morons for going to school in the shitty Midwest instead of somewhere with warm weather and tanned meatshades.
Quote from: SKO on September 09, 2009, 10:14:23 AM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 09, 2009, 10:11:11 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 09, 2009, 09:39:12 AM
(Besides, if you really wanted to play a trump card, you'd say that since half of the University of Iowa student body is comprised of Illinois rejects, the Illini should get partial credit for Iowa's recent success.)
Or, half the University of Iowa student body is comprised of Illinoisans who were smart enough to not want to spend four years in Champaign.
Because Iowa City's such a god damn paradise. They have a Bennigans at the Coralville Mall.
Coralville != Iowa City
Besides, I lived near the Coral Ridge Mall for two years and let me tell you -- if you're going to spend any substantial amount of time in there, you're going to want to get good and lubricated lest you succumb to temptation and regain consciousness while standing over a pile of bodies.
Yes, it's tacky and the food atrocious, but as the only place in the Mall that serves alcohol, that place is a fucking godsend.
Quote from: R-V on September 09, 2009, 10:24:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 09, 2009, 10:14:23 AM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 09, 2009, 10:11:11 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 09, 2009, 09:39:12 AM
(Besides, if you really wanted to play a trump card, you'd say that since half of the University of Iowa student body is comprised of Illinois rejects, the Illini should get partial credit for Iowa's recent success.)
Or, half the University of Iowa student body is comprised of Illinoisans who were smart enough to not want to spend four years in Champaign.
Because Iowa City's such a god damn paradise. They have a Bennigans at the Coralville Mall.
Meh, we're all morons for going to school in the shitty Midwest instead of somewhere with warm weather and tanned meatshades.
Argument over. Why the fuck didn't I apply to UT-Austin or one of the Southern Cal schools? WHY
Quote from: ChuckD on September 09, 2009, 10:25:12 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 09, 2009, 10:14:23 AM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 09, 2009, 10:11:11 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 09, 2009, 09:39:12 AM
(Besides, if you really wanted to play a trump card, you'd say that since half of the University of Iowa student body is comprised of Illinois rejects, the Illini should get partial credit for Iowa's recent success.)
Or, half the University of Iowa student body is comprised of Illinoisans who were smart enough to not want to spend four years in Champaign.
Because Iowa City's such a god damn paradise. They have a Bennigans at the Coralville Mall.
Coralville != Iowa City
Besides, I lived near the Coral Ridge Mall for two years and let me tell you -- if you're going to spend any substantial amount of time in there, you're going to want to get good and lubricated lest you succumb to temptation and regain consciousness while standing over a pile of bodies.
Yes, it's tacky and the food atrocious, but as the only place in the Mall that serves alcohol, that place is a fucking godsend.
Amazing that people go to Coralville now to drink. Way back when, you only went to Coralville to get pancakes at Country Kitchen. Old Capitol Center was the only mall back in the day. Everything was walking distance -- no need to drive drunk.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 09, 2009, 10:41:40 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 09, 2009, 10:25:12 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 09, 2009, 10:14:23 AM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 09, 2009, 10:11:11 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 09, 2009, 09:39:12 AM
(Besides, if you really wanted to play a trump card, you'd say that since half of the University of Iowa student body is comprised of Illinois rejects, the Illini should get partial credit for Iowa's recent success.)
Or, half the University of Iowa student body is comprised of Illinoisans who were smart enough to not want to spend four years in Champaign.
Because Iowa City's such a god damn paradise. They have a Bennigans at the Coralville Mall.
Coralville != Iowa City
Besides, I lived near the Coral Ridge Mall for two years and let me tell you -- if you're going to spend any substantial amount of time in there, you're going to want to get good and lubricated lest you succumb to temptation and regain consciousness while standing over a pile of bodies.
Yes, it's tacky and the food atrocious, but as the only place in the Mall that serves alcohol, that place is a fucking godsend.
Amazing that people go to Coralville now to drink. Way back when, you only went to Coralville to get pancakes at Country Kitchen. Old Capitol Center was the only mall back in the day. Everything was walking distance -- no need to drive drunk.
People don't go to Coralville to drink. The PedMall is still the place to go for drinking. People go to Coralville to shop. People who get dragged along with those people go to Bennigan's to drink because it helps quiet the voices.
Quote from: Fork on September 09, 2009, 09:23:20 AM
We're losing sight here of the fact that IAN has won Huey over to his side...
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That made my freakin' day. It really did.
The Vine is probably the best place in Coralville to drink. The only "bars" would be the American Legion, Charlie's, and Nickelodeon (all shitholes). The Edge, Flannigan's (in the IRP building), and Old Chicago are eating/drinking combos. Bennigan's and Chili's are near the mall.
Coralville used to be a nice refuge from the student areas, but it has become a refuge for those seeking a quicker welfare check.
Quote from: Dave B on September 09, 2009, 11:00:13 AM
The Vine is probably the best place in Coralville to drink. The only "bars" would be the American Legion, Charlie's, and Nickelodeon (all shitholes). The Edge, Flannigan's (in the IRP building), and Old Chicago are eating/drinking combos. Bennigan's and Chili's are near the mall.
Coralville used to be a nice refuge from the student areas, but it has become a refuge for those seeking a quicker welfare check.
Wow.
What's the "wow" for? You live(d) near Coral Ridge Mall and you didn't notice that?
Quote from: Dave B on September 09, 2009, 11:28:57 AM
What's the "wow" for? You live(d) near Coral Ridge Mall and you didn't notice that?
"Lived" on Holiday Rd., but I'm not really sure. What was I supposed to notice? And why does living in Coralville make it happen quicker?
Quote from: ChuckD on September 09, 2009, 11:33:43 AM
Quote from: Dave B on September 09, 2009, 11:28:57 AM
What's the "wow" for? You live(d) near Coral Ridge Mall and you didn't notice that?
"Lived" on Holiday Rd., but I'm not really sure. What was I supposed to notice? And why does living in Coralville make it happen quicker?
Do they distribute welfare checks at Bennigan's in Iowa?
I've been reading through this thread and I'm really kicking myself for not having gone to Iowa. I can always move there, though.
Quote from: Slak on September 09, 2009, 12:04:22 PM
I've been reading through this thread and I'm really kicking myself for not having gone to Iowa. I can always move there, though.
Sounds like you get your welfare money faster by starting in Coralville.
Quote from: Dave B on September 09, 2009, 11:00:13 AM
The Vine is probably the best place in Coralville to drink. The only "bars" would be the American Legion, Charlie's, and Nickelodeon (all shitholes). The Edge, Flannigan's (in the IRP building), and Old Chicago are eating/drinking combos. Bennigan's and Chili's are near the mall.
Coralville used to be a nice refuge from the student areas, but it has become a refuge for those seeking a quicker welfare check.
There's that bar that's in the same building as the Power Company or whatever that nice restaurant is...but the bar is decidedly less nice.
If I want to drink at the Vine, I go to the one on campus though. I'll probably be spending many a Monday there this fall before I move to Minneapolis.
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on September 09, 2009, 10:52:44 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 09, 2009, 09:23:20 AM
We're losing sight here of the fact that IAN has won Huey over to his side...
(http://www.gatorsaferoom.com/Portals/0/Blog/Files/6/69/lsu%20fanspaintjob1.JPG)
That made my freakin' day. It really did.
Young lady, purple paint is not a substitute for a brassiere
Quote from: CBStew on September 09, 2009, 03:24:10 PM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on September 09, 2009, 10:52:44 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 09, 2009, 09:23:20 AM
We're losing sight here of the fact that IAN has won Huey over to his side...
(http://www.gatorsaferoom.com/Portals/0/Blog/Files/6/69/lsu%20fanspaintjob1.JPG)
That made my freakin' day. It really did.
Young lady, purple paint is not a substitute for a brassiere
Wait a minute. What is that sticking up from her pants?
Quote from: CBStew on September 09, 2009, 06:13:19 PM
Quote from: CBStew on September 09, 2009, 03:24:10 PM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on September 09, 2009, 10:52:44 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 09, 2009, 09:23:20 AM
We're losing sight here of the fact that IAN has won Huey over to his side...
(http://www.gatorsaferoom.com/Portals/0/Blog/Files/6/69/lsu%20fanspaintjob1.JPG)
That made my freakin' day. It really did.
Young lady, purple paint is not a substitute for a brassiere
Wait a minute. What is that sticking up from her pants?
Thank God someone pointed that out.
Otherwise I might have gone my entire life without noticing that guy's dick head.
I missed every game with the exception of Oregon @ Boise State. That was worth watching, if only for the postgame antics. Dude was held back by his teammates. That didn't work, so the coaches stepped in to hold him back. That didn't work, so stadium security stepped in to hold him back. That didn't work, so the police stepped in to hold him back. He then shoved'n'tossed the cops to the ground and started climbing the stands to attack some fans. Does it get any better than this?
How bad did Iowa look? Was it one of those typical in-state fluke games that Iowa always loses, or did they look genuinely bad?
Re: shitty Big Ten -- I think I repeat this mantra every year, but this is mostly a stigma created by the media, just for talking point ammo. The reason for the stigma is league parity. We've heard this same thing about the National League the entire season. This sort of thing happens when you have one "great" team, one "bad" team, followed by a sandwich of "average"-"good" teams. For some reason, this is perceived as shitty. Shitty? Bullshit, I say!
Re: Iowa vs. Illinois -- I was under the impression that Iowa was a more nationally recognized and prestigious football program. In other words, Y'ASSES IS TRUMPED!
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1-0 ogdenitwits
give me this - I'm writing the fucking checks
Quote from: flannj on September 09, 2009, 08:15:06 PM
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1-0 ogdenitwits
give me this - I'm writing the fucking checks
Crap. Judging by my computer skills I sure as hell didn't go there.
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on September 09, 2009, 06:40:03 PM
Quote from: CBStew on September 09, 2009, 06:13:19 PM
Quote from: CBStew on September 09, 2009, 03:24:10 PM
Quote from: *In a Nutsack on September 09, 2009, 10:52:44 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 09, 2009, 09:23:20 AM
We're losing sight here of the fact that IAN has won Huey over to his side...
(http://www.gatorsaferoom.com/Portals/0/Blog/Files/6/69/lsu%20fanspaintjob1.JPG)
That made my freakin' day. It really did.
Young lady, purple paint is not a substitute for a brassiere
Wait a minute. What is that sticking up from her pants?
Thank God someone pointed that out.
Otherwise I might have gone my entire life without noticing that guy's dick head unpainted belly button.
FUPA'ed.
Quote from: SKO on September 08, 2009, 11:11:28 AM
Iowa State will beat them. Their inability to stop Northern Iowa when it went 5 wide is concerning, considering Iowa State runs a spread with a pretty decent quarterback in Austin Arnaud.
How's your prediction for Soriano next year?
Heh.
Quote from: flannj on September 12, 2009, 06:19:38 PM
Heh.
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I don't follow college football or hate Notre Dame and I still think their fail is funny.
Another lesson in the coaching internship of Coach Frontbutt.
I hate to open my big mouth but I almost always do. And Purdue looks almost pleasantly unshitty in a 17-17 first half at Oregon, which looked alarmingly shitty again. Purdue might very well go .500 this year which is about four games better than I had them before I'd seen them play a single down. The Big Ten looks weak as shit. You guys might have to listen to my big mouth a little earlier than expected this fall. But then, you almost always do.
And the first one of you lot who can procure or photo shop me a "HOPE" poster featuring the Boilers new head coach will get your pick of some fabulous prizes including:
1. 5 20 mg capsules of Straterra.
2. A starting spot on my 16" Softball team a week from Monday.
3. poss. hje
4. A stack of old Asian porno DVDs.
Quote from: Internet Apex on September 12, 2009, 11:08:03 PM
I hate to open my big mouth but I almost always do. And Purdue looks almost pleasantly unshitty in a 17-17 first half at Oregon, which looked alarmingly shitty again. Purdue might very well go .500 this year which is about four games better than I had them before I'd seen them play a single down. The Big Ten looks weak as shit. You guys might have to listen to my big mouth a little earlier than expected this fall. But then, you almost always do.
And the first one of you lot who can procure or photo shop me a "HOPE" poster featuring the Boilers new head coach will get your pick of some fabulous prizes including:
1. 5 20 mg capsules of Straterra.
2. A starting spot on my 16" Softball team a week from Monday.
3. poss. hje
4. A stack of old Asian porno DVDs.
I'm with you. The Big Ten is bad. Bad.
Illinois prediction = 3-9
Quote from: Internet Apex on September 12, 2009, 11:08:03 PM
4. A stack of old Asian porno DVDs.
Last time I won this prize it was all old dudes...
I'm opening paint.net as we speak.
Is anyone else watching this Purdue-Oregon game on the SD feed? It is as if they're broadcasting this game using 30 year-old cameras!
Quote from: Pre on September 12, 2009, 11:45:30 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on September 12, 2009, 11:08:03 PM
4. A stack of old Asian porno DVDs.
Last time I won this prize it was all old dudes...
I'm opening paint.net as we speak.
Too late.
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Yes, the Big Ten IS going to be awful this year. And that's coming from a Big Ten apologist. Let's look at just the quarterback position, I would consider these guys the top seven Big Ten quarterbacks right now...
Penn State - Daryll Clark (Senior, but only 1 year + 2 games as starter)
Ohio State - Terrelle Pryor (Sophomore, around 1 year as starter)
Minnesota - Adam Weber (Junior, mostly starter in career)
Iowa - Ricky Stanzi (Junior, around 1 year as starter)
Illinois - Juice Williams (Senior, mostly starter in career)
Michigan - Tate Forcier (Freshman, only 2 games in career)
Northwestern - Mike Kafka (Senior, only 16 appearances in career)
I now want to throw up.
Quote from: BC on September 12, 2009, 11:57:40 PM
Yes, the Big Ten IS going to be awful this year. And that's coming from a Big Ten apologist. Let's look at just the quarterback position, I would consider these guys the top seven Big Ten quarterbacks right now...
Penn State - Daryll Clark (Senior, but only a 1 year + 2 games as starter)
Ohio State - Terrelle Pryor (Sophomore, around 1 year as starter)
Minnesota - Adam Weber (Junior, mostly starter in career)
Iowa - Ricky Stanzi (Junior, around 1 year as starter)
Illinois - Juice Williams (Senior, mostly starter in career)
Michigan - Tate Forcier (Freshman, only 2 games in career)
Northwestern - Mike Kafka (Senior, only 16 appearances in career)
I now want to throw up.
And the freshman is the best of the bunch.
Michigan could run the table in the Big 10.
Purdue misses out on a game-tying two-point conversion by a couple inches...
Shit balls.
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on September 12, 2009, 11:53:45 PM
Quote from: Pre on September 12, 2009, 11:45:30 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on September 12, 2009, 11:08:03 PM
4. A stack of old Asian porno DVDs.
Last time I won this prize it was all old dudes...
I'm opening paint.net as we speak.
Too late.
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Right click. Set as background. See you next Monday.
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on September 13, 2009, 12:02:34 AM
Quote from: BC on September 12, 2009, 11:57:40 PM
Yes, the Big Ten IS going to be awful this year. And that's coming from a Big Ten apologist. Let's look at just the quarterback position, I would consider these guys the top seven Big Ten quarterbacks right now...
Penn State - Daryll Clark (Senior, but only a 1 year + 2 games as starter)
Ohio State - Terrelle Pryor (Sophomore, around 1 year as starter)
Minnesota - Adam Weber (Junior, mostly starter in career)
Iowa - Ricky Stanzi (Junior, around 1 year as starter)
Illinois - Juice Williams (Senior, mostly starter in career)
Michigan - Tate Forcier (Freshman, only 2 games in career)
Northwestern - Mike Kafka (Senior, only 16 appearances in career)
I now want to throw up.
And the freshman is the best of the bunch.
Michigan could run the table in the Big 10.
And I could fuck all their cheerleaders but I probably won't. Plus I don't really care where Elliot of Purdue ranks in that pile of suck but he looked pretty competitive against Oregon. The turnovers hurt him bad but he was about a spazzed-out tightend inexplicably leaving his feet from taking that bitch to OT. He engineered some great drives in a pretty difficult atmosphere. I like. It's going to be an ok year. Ok!
Quote from: Slak on September 12, 2009, 06:22:50 PM
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Heh.
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That fat motherfucking idiot. Word on the street is that 10 wins is his "magic number" this year. He has no chance of reaching it. I predict he'll be fired before the first snap of the 2010 season.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 13, 2009, 01:01:06 AM
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Quote from: flannj on September 12, 2009, 06:19:38 PM
Heh.
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That fat motherfucking idiot. Word on the street is that 10 wins is his "magic number" this year. He has no chance of reaching it. I predict he'll be fired before the first snap of the 2010 season.
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What did Chuckles do?
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Quote from: flannj on September 12, 2009, 06:19:38 PM
Heh.
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That fat motherfucking idiot. Word on the street is that 10 wins is his "magic number" this year. He has no chance of reaching it. I predict he'll be fired before the first snap of the 2010 season.
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What did Chuckles do?
Made some of the worst play calling this side of Internet Chuck's face.
Quote from: TDubbs on September 13, 2009, 10:05:26 AM
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Quote from: flannj on September 12, 2009, 06:19:38 PM
Heh.
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That fat motherfucking idiot. Word on the street is that 10 wins is his "magic number" this year. He has no chance of reaching it. I predict he'll be fired before the first snap of the 2010 season.
What did Chuckles do?
Made some of the worst play calling this side of Internet Chuck's face.
THI.
I don't know if ND's defense could have stopped Michigan no matter what happened, but FUPA's decision to throw deep late was the same typical "Look! I'm so innovative!" bullshit he's been doing for four years. Run the goddamn ball and make them burn their timeouts. Sometimes, conventional wisdom is conventional because it's wise. Two delay of game penalties and 3-4 times they had to call timeouts because he couldn't catch his breath for long enough to send in the play. Terrible game on his part.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 13, 2009, 06:58:30 PM
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Quote from: Slak on September 12, 2009, 06:22:50 PM
Quote from: flannj on September 12, 2009, 06:19:38 PM
Heh.
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That fat motherfucking idiot. Word on the street is that 10 wins is his "magic number" this year. He has no chance of reaching it. I predict he'll be fired before the first snap of the 2010 season.
What did Chuckles do?
Made some of the worst play calling this side of Internet Chuck's face.
THI.
I don't know if ND's defense could have stopped Michigan no matter what happened, but FUPA's decision to throw deep late was the same typical "Look! I'm so innovative!" bullshit he's been doing for four years. Run the goddamn ball and make them burn their timeouts. Sometimes, conventional wisdom is conventional because it's wise. Two delay of game penalties and 3-4 times they had to call timeouts because he couldn't catch his breath for long enough to send in the play. Terrible game on his part.
On the bright side, Notre Dame definitely doesn't suck this year. So that's gotta be a plus. One of these days that ball of dried bacon grease he calls a heart is going to explode, likely killing anyone in a 10 foot radius. Just hope you're nowhere near him and hope it happens, like, tomorrow.
Hey, don't you'se be including those Iowa Hawkeyes when thinking that the Big Ten sucks. We run this shit!
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 13, 2009, 06:58:30 PM
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Quote from: flannj on September 12, 2009, 06:19:38 PM
Heh.
(http://www.wearethepostmen.com/wp-content/uploads//2008/05/weisathon.jpg)
That fat motherfucking idiot. Word on the street is that 10 wins is his "magic number" this year. He has no chance of reaching it. I predict he'll be fired before the first snap of the 2010 season.
What did Chuckles do?
Made some of the worst play calling this side of Internet Chuck's face.
THI.
I don't know if ND's defense could have stopped Michigan no matter what happened, but FUPA's decision to throw deep late was the same typical "Look! I'm so innovative!" bullshit he's been doing for four years. Run the goddamn ball and make them burn their timeouts. Sometimes, conventional wisdom is conventional because it's wise. Two delay of game penalties and 3-4 times they had to call timeouts because he couldn't catch his breath for long enough to send in the play. Terrible game on his part.
I wonder if those plays are part of Frontbutt's decided schematic advantage.
Quote from: Slak on September 13, 2009, 07:24:16 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 13, 2009, 06:58:30 PM
Quote from: TDubbs on September 13, 2009, 10:05:26 AM
Quote from: MAD on September 13, 2009, 08:57:03 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 13, 2009, 01:01:06 AM
Quote from: Slak on September 12, 2009, 06:22:50 PM
Quote from: flannj on September 12, 2009, 06:19:38 PM
Heh.
(http://www.wearethepostmen.com/wp-content/uploads//2008/05/weisathon.jpg)
That fat motherfucking idiot. Word on the street is that 10 wins is his "magic number" this year. He has no chance of reaching it. I predict he'll be fired before the first snap of the 2010 season.
What did Chuckles do?
Made some of the worst play calling this side of Internet Chuck's face.
THI.
I don't know if ND's defense could have stopped Michigan no matter what happened, but FUPA's decision to throw deep late was the same typical "Look! I'm so innovative!" bullshit he's been doing for four years. Run the goddamn ball and make them burn their timeouts. Sometimes, conventional wisdom is conventional because it's wise. Two delay of game penalties and 3-4 times they had to call timeouts because he couldn't catch his breath for long enough to send in the play. Terrible game on his part.
On the bright side, Notre Dame definitely doesn't suck this year. So that's gotta be a plus. One of these days that ball of dried bacon grease he calls a heart is going to explode, likely killing anyone in a 10 foot radius. Just hope you're nowhere near him and hope it happens, like, tomorrow.
Yeah, Clausen and Floyd looked good, at least. I think FUPA needs to go to the booth to call games. It'll be easier to make it look like an accident when someone pushes him out. With a heavy lifter.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 14, 2009, 08:59:01 AM
Quote from: Slak on September 13, 2009, 07:24:16 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 13, 2009, 06:58:30 PM
Quote from: TDubbs on September 13, 2009, 10:05:26 AM
Quote from: MAD on September 13, 2009, 08:57:03 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 13, 2009, 01:01:06 AM
Quote from: Slak on September 12, 2009, 06:22:50 PM
Quote from: flannj on September 12, 2009, 06:19:38 PM
Heh.
(http://www.wearethepostmen.com/wp-content/uploads//2008/05/weisathon.jpg)
That fat motherfucking idiot. Word on the street is that 10 wins is his "magic number" this year. He has no chance of reaching it. I predict he'll be fired before the first snap of the 2010 season.
What did Chuckles do?
Made some of the worst play calling this side of Internet Chuck's face.
THI.
I don't know if ND's defense could have stopped Michigan no matter what happened, but FUPA's decision to throw deep late was the same typical "Look! I'm so innovative!" bullshit he's been doing for four years. Run the goddamn ball and make them burn their timeouts. Sometimes, conventional wisdom is conventional because it's wise. Two delay of game penalties and 3-4 times they had to call timeouts because he couldn't catch his breath for long enough to send in the play. Terrible game on his part.
On the bright side, Notre Dame definitely doesn't suck this year. So that's gotta be a plus. One of these days that ball of dried bacon grease he calls a heart is going to explode, likely killing anyone in a 10 foot radius. Just hope you're nowhere near him and hope it happens, like, tomorrow.
Yeah, Clausen and Floyd looked good, at least. I think FUPA needs to go to the booth to call games. It'll be easier to make it look like be an accident when someone pushes him out. With a heavy lifter. the booth collapses.
Quote from: Waco Kid on September 14, 2009, 09:02:08 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 14, 2009, 08:59:01 AM
Quote from: Slak on September 13, 2009, 07:24:16 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 13, 2009, 06:58:30 PM
Quote from: TDubbs on September 13, 2009, 10:05:26 AM
Quote from: MAD on September 13, 2009, 08:57:03 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 13, 2009, 01:01:06 AM
Quote from: Slak on September 12, 2009, 06:22:50 PM
Quote from: flannj on September 12, 2009, 06:19:38 PM
Heh.
(http://www.wearethepostmen.com/wp-content/uploads//2008/05/weisathon.jpg)
That fat motherfucking idiot. Word on the street is that 10 wins is his "magic number" this year. He has no chance of reaching it. I predict he'll be fired before the first snap of the 2010 season.
What did Chuckles do?
Made some of the worst play calling this side of Internet Chuck's face.
THI.
I don't know if ND's defense could have stopped Michigan no matter what happened, but FUPA's decision to throw deep late was the same typical "Look! I'm so innovative!" bullshit he's been doing for four years. Run the goddamn ball and make them burn their timeouts. Sometimes, conventional wisdom is conventional because it's wise. Two delay of game penalties and 3-4 times they had to call timeouts because he couldn't catch his breath for long enough to send in the play. Terrible game on his part.
On the bright side, Notre Dame definitely doesn't suck this year. So that's gotta be a plus. One of these days that ball of dried bacon grease he calls a heart is going to explode, likely killing anyone in a 10 foot radius. Just hope you're nowhere near him and hope it happens, like, tomorrow.
Yeah, Clausen and Floyd looked good, at least. I think FUPA needs to go to the booth to call games. It'll be easier to make it look like be an accident when someone pushes him out. With a heavy lifter. the booth collapses.
I cannot stop looking at Charlie's left arm in that picture. It looks like an elephant's head.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 14, 2009, 09:23:09 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on September 14, 2009, 09:02:08 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 14, 2009, 08:59:01 AM
Quote from: Slak on September 13, 2009, 07:24:16 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 13, 2009, 06:58:30 PM
Quote from: TDubbs on September 13, 2009, 10:05:26 AM
Quote from: MAD on September 13, 2009, 08:57:03 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 13, 2009, 01:01:06 AM
Quote from: Slak on September 12, 2009, 06:22:50 PM
Quote from: flannj on September 12, 2009, 06:19:38 PM
Heh.
(http://www.wearethepostmen.com/wp-content/uploads//2008/05/weisathon.jpg)
That fat motherfucking idiot. Word on the street is that 10 wins is his "magic number" this year. He has no chance of reaching it. I predict he'll be fired before the first snap of the 2010 season.
What did Chuckles do?
Made some of the worst play calling this side of Internet Chuck's face.
THI.
I don't know if ND's defense could have stopped Michigan no matter what happened, but FUPA's decision to throw deep late was the same typical "Look! I'm so innovative!" bullshit he's been doing for four years. Run the goddamn ball and make them burn their timeouts. Sometimes, conventional wisdom is conventional because it's wise. Two delay of game penalties and 3-4 times they had to call timeouts because he couldn't catch his breath for long enough to send in the play. Terrible game on his part.
On the bright side, Notre Dame definitely doesn't suck this year. So that's gotta be a plus. One of these days that ball of dried bacon grease he calls a heart is going to explode, likely killing anyone in a 10 foot radius. Just hope you're nowhere near him and hope it happens, like, tomorrow.
Yeah, Clausen and Floyd looked good, at least. I think FUPA needs to go to the booth to call games. It'll be easier to make it look like be an accident when someone pushes him out. With a heavy lifter. the booth collapses.
I cannot stop looking at Charlie's left arm in that picture. It looks like an elephant's head.
Max Rebo?
(http://i27.tinypic.com/rc7jfr.jpg)
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on September 14, 2009, 10:19:07 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 14, 2009, 09:23:09 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on September 14, 2009, 09:02:08 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 14, 2009, 08:59:01 AM
Quote from: Slak on September 13, 2009, 07:24:16 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 13, 2009, 06:58:30 PM
Quote from: TDubbs on September 13, 2009, 10:05:26 AM
Quote from: MAD on September 13, 2009, 08:57:03 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 13, 2009, 01:01:06 AM
Quote from: Slak on September 12, 2009, 06:22:50 PM
Quote from: flannj on September 12, 2009, 06:19:38 PM
Heh.
(http://www.wearethepostmen.com/wp-content/uploads//2008/05/weisathon.jpg)
That fat motherfucking idiot. Word on the street is that 10 wins is his "magic number" this year. He has no chance of reaching it. I predict he'll be fired before the first snap of the 2010 season.
What did Chuckles do?
Made some of the worst play calling this side of Internet Chuck's face.
THI.
I don't know if ND's defense could have stopped Michigan no matter what happened, but FUPA's decision to throw deep late was the same typical "Look! I'm so innovative!" bullshit he's been doing for four years. Run the goddamn ball and make them burn their timeouts. Sometimes, conventional wisdom is conventional because it's wise. Two delay of game penalties and 3-4 times they had to call timeouts because he couldn't catch his breath for long enough to send in the play. Terrible game on his part.
On the bright side, Notre Dame definitely doesn't suck this year. So that's gotta be a plus. One of these days that ball of dried bacon grease he calls a heart is going to explode, likely killing anyone in a 10 foot radius. Just hope you're nowhere near him and hope it happens, like, tomorrow.
Yeah, Clausen and Floyd looked good, at least. I think FUPA needs to go to the booth to call games. It'll be easier to make it look like be an accident when someone pushes him out. With a heavy lifter. the booth collapses.
I cannot stop looking at Charlie's left arm in that picture. It looks like an elephant's head.
Max Rebo?
(http://i27.tinypic.com/rc7jfr.jpg)
Spot on.
Makes sense on why he got hurt: http://www.fightingillini.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/091209aaa.html
QuoteHe injured his right quadriceps on a 49-year run and fell to the turf a yard shy of the game's first TD.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 14, 2009, 08:59:01 AM
Quote from: Slak on September 13, 2009, 07:24:16 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 13, 2009, 06:58:30 PM
Quote from: TDubbs on September 13, 2009, 10:05:26 AM
Quote from: MAD on September 13, 2009, 08:57:03 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 13, 2009, 01:01:06 AM
Quote from: Slak on September 12, 2009, 06:22:50 PM
Quote from: flannj on September 12, 2009, 06:19:38 PM
Heh.
(http://www.wearethepostmen.com/wp-content/uploads//2008/05/weisathon.jpg)
That fat motherfucking idiot. Word on the street is that 10 wins is his "magic number" this year. He has no chance of reaching it. I predict he'll be fired before the first snap of the 2010 season.
What did Chuckles do?
Made some of the worst play calling this side of Internet Chuck's face.
THI.
I don't know if ND's defense could have stopped Michigan no matter what happened, but FUPA's decision to throw deep late was the same typical "Look! I'm so innovative!" bullshit he's been doing for four years. Run the goddamn ball and make them burn their timeouts. Sometimes, conventional wisdom is conventional because it's wise. Two delay of game penalties and 3-4 times they had to call timeouts because he couldn't catch his breath for long enough to send in the play. Terrible game on his part.
On the bright side, Notre Dame definitely doesn't suck this year. So that's gotta be a plus. One of these days that ball of dried bacon grease he calls a heart is going to explode, likely killing anyone in a 10 foot radius. Just hope you're nowhere near him and hope it happens, like, tomorrow.
Yeah, Clausen and Floyd looked good, at least. I think FUPA needs to go to the booth to call games. It'll be easier to make it look like an accident when someone pushes him out. With a heavy lifter.
http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/11/25/guest-columnist-tommy-kilborn-nd-alum/
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 13, 2009, 01:01:06 AM
Quote from: Slak on September 12, 2009, 06:22:50 PM
Quote from: flannj on September 12, 2009, 06:19:38 PM
Heh.
(http://www.wearethepostmen.com/wp-content/uploads//2008/05/weisathon.jpg)
That fat motherfucking idiot. Word on the street is that 10 wins is his "magic number" this year. He has no chance of reaching it. I predict he'll be fired before the first snap of the 2010 season.
More likely to happen to Charlie before 2010, especially if five guys opens in South Bend
http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2009/09/15/its-only-wafer-thin/#comments (http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2009/09/15/its-only-wafer-thin/#comments)
Anyone else annoyed that the Big 10 Network's got an in-state battle between Michigan schools, but two schools which are closer to Chicago, combined, than Ann Arbor can't get their game on in Chicago?
Quote from: MAD on September 19, 2009, 01:37:41 PM
Anyone else annoyed that the Big 10 Network's got an in-state battle between Michigan schools, but two schools which are closer to Chicago, combined, than Ann Arbor can't get their game on in Chicago?
Very.
Quote from: Oleg on September 19, 2009, 01:50:08 PM
Quote from: MAD on September 19, 2009, 01:37:41 PM
Anyone else annoyed that the Big 10 Network's got an in-state battle between Michigan schools, but two schools which are closer to Chicago, combined, than Ann Arbor can't get their game on in Chicago?
Very.
At least it's on the SCORE and besides, having to watch them melt down here, beginning when that kicker gagged on a 25 yarder that would have made it a 17 point 4th quarter lead, could be a traumatic thing to overcome.
The fake punt inside their own 30 on fourth and six was a thing of beauty.
Then, they almost got completely fucked when the Purdue tight end caught a pass lateralled to nobody and NIU recovered it, only to have it inexplicably called an incomplete pass.
And what kind of inbred fuck is Purdue's coach? He wears his whistle around his neck DURING THE GAME!
Quote from: Oleg on September 19, 2009, 01:50:08 PM
Quote from: MAD on September 19, 2009, 01:37:41 PM
Anyone else annoyed that the Big 10 Network's got an in-state battle between Michigan schools, but two schools which are closer to Chicago, combined, than Ann Arbor can't get their game on in Chicago?
Very.
RCN provides all 3 BTN channels in HD , great to watch NIU take it to Purdue. Too bad MSU couldn't do the same in South Bend
Quote from: thehawk on September 19, 2009, 09:10:20 PM
Quote from: Oleg on September 19, 2009, 01:50:08 PM
Quote from: MAD on September 19, 2009, 01:37:41 PM
Anyone else annoyed that the Big 10 Network's got an in-state battle between Michigan schools, but two schools which are closer to Chicago, combined, than Ann Arbor can't get their game on in Chicago?
Very.
RCN provides all 3 BTN channels in HD , great to watch NIU take it to Purdue. Too bad MSU couldn't do the same in South Bend
You hate ND so much that you wouldn't root for them to beat a conference rival? That's pretty dumb.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 21, 2009, 10:48:19 AM
Quote from: thehawk on September 19, 2009, 09:10:20 PM
Quote from: Oleg on September 19, 2009, 01:50:08 PM
Quote from: MAD on September 19, 2009, 01:37:41 PM
Anyone else annoyed that the Big 10 Network's got an in-state battle between Michigan schools, but two schools which are closer to Chicago, combined, than Ann Arbor can't get their game on in Chicago?
Very.
RCN provides all 3 BTN channels in HD , great to watch NIU take it to Purdue. Too bad MSU couldn't do the same in South Bend
You hate ND so much that you wouldn't root for them to beat a conference rival? That's pretty dumb.
Given the strength of schedule component to the BCS rankings, wouldn't you want your conference rivals to beat out-of conference schools?
Quote from: ChuckD on September 21, 2009, 10:55:07 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 21, 2009, 10:48:19 AM
Quote from: thehawk on September 19, 2009, 09:10:20 PM
Quote from: Oleg on September 19, 2009, 01:50:08 PM
Quote from: MAD on September 19, 2009, 01:37:41 PM
Anyone else annoyed that the Big 10 Network's got an in-state battle between Michigan schools, but two schools which are closer to Chicago, combined, than Ann Arbor can't get their game on in Chicago?
Very.
RCN provides all 3 BTN channels in HD , great to watch NIU take it to Purdue. Too bad MSU couldn't do the same in South Bend
You hate ND so much that you wouldn't root for them to beat a conference rival? That's pretty dumb.
Given the strength of schedule component to the BCS rankings, wouldn't you want your conference rivals to beat out-of conference schools?
I've never followed a conference school, but are tie-breakers for conference championships based at all on non-conference records?
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 21, 2009, 11:11:13 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 21, 2009, 10:55:07 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 21, 2009, 10:48:19 AM
Quote from: thehawk on September 19, 2009, 09:10:20 PM
Quote from: Oleg on September 19, 2009, 01:50:08 PM
Quote from: MAD on September 19, 2009, 01:37:41 PM
Anyone else annoyed that the Big 10 Network's got an in-state battle between Michigan schools, but two schools which are closer to Chicago, combined, than Ann Arbor can't get their game on in Chicago?
Very.
RCN provides all 3 BTN channels in HD , great to watch NIU take it to Purdue. Too bad MSU couldn't do the same in South Bend
You hate ND so much that you wouldn't root for them to beat a conference rival? That's pretty dumb.
Given the strength of schedule component to the BCS rankings, wouldn't you want your conference rivals to beat out-of conference schools?
I've never followed a conference school, but are tie-breakers for conference championships based at all on non-conference records?
http://gregdooley.com/archive05/1031BigTenTiebreaker.html
QuoteIt's another tight Big Ten football race for the championship and to determine the team that will receive the Big Ten's automatic BCS bid. Here are the rules:
• If there is a two-way tie, the winner of the game between the two will represent the conference. If the teams did not play each other, it is then based on overall winning percentage.
• If there is still a tie, the most recent team to earn a BCS automatic selection is eliminated.
• If three teams are tied and if one team defeated both of the others, that team is the representative.
• If two of the three teams defeated the third team, that team is eliminated and the remaining two teams revert to the two-team tie procedure.
• If two of the three did not play each other, the BCS representative is determined by winning percentage in the overall schedule. If all three have the same winning percentage, the most recent representative is eliminated and the other two revert to the two-team tie procedure.
• If four or more are tied ... if one team defeated each of the other three, then that team is the representative.
• If two of the four teams defeated each of the other two, those two are eliminated and the remaining two revert to the two-team tie procedure.
• If three of the four defeated the fourth, the fourth is eliminated, then it reverts to the three-team tie procedure.
• If two of the four did not play each other, the representative will be determined by overall winning percentage.
• If one of the four teams is eliminated through percentage, the remaining teams revert to three-team tie procedure.
• If all four have the same winning percentage, the most recently Big Ten representative is eliminated and the remaining three must go through the three-team tie procedure.
Not technically the tiebreaker rules for the conference championship, but isn't going to the BCS bowl the more important matter?
Quote from: ChuckD on September 21, 2009, 11:17:00 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 21, 2009, 11:11:13 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 21, 2009, 10:55:07 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 21, 2009, 10:48:19 AM
Quote from: thehawk on September 19, 2009, 09:10:20 PM
Quote from: Oleg on September 19, 2009, 01:50:08 PM
Quote from: MAD on September 19, 2009, 01:37:41 PM
Anyone else annoyed that the Big 10 Network's got an in-state battle between Michigan schools, but two schools which are closer to Chicago, combined, than Ann Arbor can't get their game on in Chicago?
Very.
RCN provides all 3 BTN channels in HD , great to watch NIU take it to Purdue. Too bad MSU couldn't do the same in South Bend
You hate ND so much that you wouldn't root for them to beat a conference rival? That's pretty dumb.
Given the strength of schedule component to the BCS rankings, wouldn't you want your conference rivals to beat out-of conference schools?
I've never followed a conference school, but are tie-breakers for conference championships based at all on non-conference records?
http://gregdooley.com/archive05/1031BigTenTiebreaker.html
QuoteIt's another tight Big Ten football race for the championship and to determine the team that will receive the Big Ten's automatic BCS bid. Here are the rules:
• If there is a two-way tie, the winner of the game between the two will represent the conference. If the teams did not play each other, it is then based on overall winning percentage.
• If there is still a tie, the most recent team to earn a BCS automatic selection is eliminated.
• If three teams are tied and if one team defeated both of the others, that team is the representative.
• If two of the three teams defeated the third team, that team is eliminated and the remaining two teams revert to the two-team tie procedure.
• If two of the three did not play each other, the BCS representative is determined by winning percentage in the overall schedule. If all three have the same winning percentage, the most recent representative is eliminated and the other two revert to the two-team tie procedure.
• If four or more are tied ... if one team defeated each of the other three, then that team is the representative.
• If two of the four teams defeated each of the other two, those two are eliminated and the remaining two revert to the two-team tie procedure.
• If three of the four defeated the fourth, the fourth is eliminated, then it reverts to the three-team tie procedure.
• If two of the four did not play each other, the representative will be determined by overall winning percentage.
• If one of the four teams is eliminated through percentage, the remaining teams revert to three-team tie procedure.
• If all four have the same winning percentage, the most recently Big Ten representative is eliminated and the remaining three must go through the three-team tie procedure.
Not technically the tiebreaker rules for the conference championship, but isn't going to the BCS bowl the more important matter?
Okay, dude. You win another internet argument. Good job.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 21, 2009, 10:48:19 AM
Quote from: thehawk on September 19, 2009, 09:10:20 PM
Quote from: Oleg on September 19, 2009, 01:50:08 PM
Quote from: MAD on September 19, 2009, 01:37:41 PM
Anyone else annoyed that the Big 10 Network's got an in-state battle between Michigan schools, but two schools which are closer to Chicago, combined, than Ann Arbor can't get their game on in Chicago?
Very.
RCN provides all 3 BTN channels in HD , great to watch NIU take it to Purdue. Too bad MSU couldn't do the same in South Bend
You hate ND so much that you wouldn't root for them to beat a conference rival? That's pretty dumb.
My logic is two-fold, and has very little to do with the tie-breakers (or logic- but thats College Football).
I generally root for Big Ten schools when they face out of conference competition. I figure it makes the conference stronger in the eyes of the the voters, which helps schools like NU when it comes to bowl time (I am not detached from reality to consider BCS possibilities for NU, either when my prior post was posted, or now after they crapped the bed in the Carrier Dome).
I can't really stand Charlie Weis, and I figured a loss to MSU would seal his fate (actually thought we shared that view)
Quote from: thehawk on September 21, 2009, 01:45:08 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 21, 2009, 10:48:19 AM
Quote from: thehawk on September 19, 2009, 09:10:20 PM
Quote from: Oleg on September 19, 2009, 01:50:08 PM
Quote from: MAD on September 19, 2009, 01:37:41 PM
Anyone else annoyed that the Big 10 Network's got an in-state battle between Michigan schools, but two schools which are closer to Chicago, combined, than Ann Arbor can't get their game on in Chicago?
Very.
RCN provides all 3 BTN channels in HD , great to watch NIU take it to Purdue. Too bad MSU couldn't do the same in South Bend
You hate ND so much that you wouldn't root for them to beat a conference rival? That's pretty dumb.
My logic is two-fold, and has very little to do with the tie-breakers (or logic- but thats College Football).
I generally root for Big Ten schools when they face out of conference competition. I figure it makes the conference stronger in the eyes of the the voters, which helps schools like NU when it comes to bowl time (I am not detached from reality to consider BCS possibilities for NU, either when my prior post was posted, or now after they crapped the bed in the Carrier Dome).
I can't really stand Charlie Weis, and I figured a loss to MSU would seal his fate (actually thought we shared that view)
Oh, we totally share that view. I'm not to the point of openly rooting against the team, but I really wish he was no longer coaching at ND. I think when they get depantsed by Southern Cal (again), it might be the final blow.
Speaking of Southern Cal, how terrible of a coach was Ty Willingham? Washington beats Southern Cal with "Ty's guys" after he couldn't muster a single win out of them last year? And in 2005, Weis almost did the same thing. My Ty hatred is still strong.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 21, 2009, 02:03:28 PM
Quote from: thehawk on September 21, 2009, 01:45:08 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 21, 2009, 10:48:19 AM
Quote from: thehawk on September 19, 2009, 09:10:20 PM
Quote from: Oleg on September 19, 2009, 01:50:08 PM
Quote from: MAD on September 19, 2009, 01:37:41 PM
Anyone else annoyed that the Big 10 Network's got an in-state battle between Michigan schools, but two schools which are closer to Chicago, combined, than Ann Arbor can't get their game on in Chicago?
Very.
RCN provides all 3 BTN channels in HD , great to watch NIU take it to Purdue. Too bad MSU couldn't do the same in South Bend
You hate ND so much that you wouldn't root for them to beat a conference rival? That's pretty dumb.
My logic is two-fold, and has very little to do with the tie-breakers (or logic- but thats College Football).
I generally root for Big Ten schools when they face out of conference competition. I figure it makes the conference stronger in the eyes of the the voters, which helps schools like NU when it comes to bowl time (I am not detached from reality to consider BCS possibilities for NU, either when my prior post was posted, or now after they crapped the bed in the Carrier Dome).
I can't really stand Charlie Weis, and I figured a loss to MSU would seal his fate (actually thought we shared that view)
Oh, we totally share that view. I'm not to the point of openly rooting against the team, but I really wish he was no longer coaching at ND. I think when they get depantsed by Southern Cal (again), it might be the final blow.
Speaking of Southern Cal, how terrible of a coach was Ty Willingham? Washington beats Southern Cal with "Ty's guys" after he couldn't muster a single win out of them last year? And in 2005, Weis almost did the same thing. My Ty hatred racism is still strong.
Right.
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Anyone else annoyed that the Big 10 Network's got an in-state battle between Michigan schools, but two schools which are closer to Chicago, combined, than Ann Arbor can't get their game on in Chicago?
Very.
RCN provides all 3 BTN channels in HD , great to watch NIU take it to Purdue. Too bad MSU couldn't do the same in South Bend
You hate ND so much that you wouldn't root for them to beat a conference rival? That's pretty dumb.
My logic is two-fold, and has very little to do with the tie-breakers (or logic- but thats College Football).
I generally root for Big Ten schools when they face out of conference competition. I figure it makes the conference stronger in the eyes of the the voters, which helps schools like NU when it comes to bowl time (I am not detached from reality to consider BCS possibilities for NU, either when my prior post was posted, or now after they crapped the bed in the Carrier Dome).
I can't really stand Charlie Weis, and I figured a loss to MSU would seal his fate (actually thought we shared that view)
Oh, we totally share that view. I'm not to the point of openly rooting against the team, but I really wish he was no longer coaching at ND. I think when they get depantsed by Southern Cal (again), it might be the final blow.
Speaking of Southern Cal, how terrible of a coach was Ty Willingham? Washington beats Southern Cal with "Ty's guys" after he couldn't muster a single win out of them last year? And in 2005, Weis almost did the same thing. My Ty hatred racism is still strong.
Right.
Whatever, dude. I have tons of friends who are college football coaches.
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Quote from: Oleg on September 19, 2009, 01:50:08 PM
Quote from: MAD on September 19, 2009, 01:37:41 PM
Anyone else annoyed that the Big 10 Network's got an in-state battle between Michigan schools, but two schools which are closer to Chicago, combined, than Ann Arbor can't get their game on in Chicago?
Very.
RCN provides all 3 BTN channels in HD , great to watch NIU take it to Purdue. Too bad MSU couldn't do the same in South Bend
You hate ND so much that you wouldn't root for them to beat a conference rival? That's pretty dumb.
My logic is two-fold, and has very little to do with the tie-breakers (or logic- but thats College Football).
I generally root for Big Ten schools when they face out of conference competition. I figure it makes the conference stronger in the eyes of the the voters, which helps schools like NU when it comes to bowl time (I am not detached from reality to consider BCS possibilities for NU, either when my prior post was posted, or now after they crapped the bed in the Carrier Dome).
I can't really stand Charlie Weis, and I figured a loss to MSU would seal his fate (actually thought we shared that view)
Oh, we totally share that view. I'm not to the point of openly rooting against the team, but I really wish he was no longer coaching at ND. I think when they get depantsed by Southern Cal (again), it might be the final blow.
Speaking of Southern Cal, how terrible of a coach was Ty Willingham? Washington beats Southern Cal with "Ty's guys" after he couldn't muster a single win out of them last year? And in 2005, Weis almost did the same thing. My Ty hatred racism is still strong.
Right.
Whatever, dude. I have tons of friends who are college football coaches shitty relief pitchers.
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Quote from: thehawk on September 19, 2009, 09:10:20 PM
Quote from: Oleg on September 19, 2009, 01:50:08 PM
Quote from: MAD on September 19, 2009, 01:37:41 PM
Anyone else annoyed that the Big 10 Network's got an in-state battle between Michigan schools, but two schools which are closer to Chicago, combined, than Ann Arbor can't get their game on in Chicago?
Very.
RCN provides all 3 BTN channels in HD , great to watch NIU take it to Purdue. Too bad MSU couldn't do the same in South Bend
You hate ND so much that you wouldn't root for them to beat a conference rival? That's pretty dumb.
My logic is two-fold, and has very little to do with the tie-breakers (or logic- but thats College Football).
I generally root for Big Ten schools when they face out of conference competition. I figure it makes the conference stronger in the eyes of the the voters, which helps schools like NU when it comes to bowl time (I am not detached from reality to consider BCS possibilities for NU, either when my prior post was posted, or now after they crapped the bed in the Carrier Dome).
I can't really stand Charlie Weis, and I figured a loss to MSU would seal his fate (actually thought we shared that view)
Oh, we totally share that view. I'm not to the point of openly rooting against the team, but I really wish he was no longer coaching at ND. I think when they get depantsed by Southern Cal (again), it might be the final blow.
Speaking of Southern Cal, how terrible of a coach was Ty Willingham? Washington beats Southern Cal with "Ty's guys" after he couldn't muster a single win out of them last year? And in 2005, Weis almost did the same thing. My Ty hatred racism is still strong.
Right.
Whatever, dude. I have tons of friends who are college football coaches shitty relief and white pitchers.
And Willingham really didn't have the reputation as a recruiting maven when he came to Notre Dame...
Quote from: BC on September 21, 2009, 10:56:30 PM
And Willingham really didn't have the reputation as a recruiting maven when he came to Notre Dame...
Are you kidding me? When that guy was at Stanford he recruited Chad Hutchinson. Yes. THE Chad Hutchinson.
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/extramustard/09/22/florida-fan/p1-florida-fan.jpg)
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Good. Ness.
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Good. Ness.
we've reached common ground here.
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Go Gators!
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Go Gators!
I don't like the message she's trying to send here. Alls I can think about is T-boning that endzone.
Tim T-boned:
Linky (http://deadspin.com/5368638/deadspin-red-alert)
Luckily, noted Tebow stalker and Gator bandwagoner Dan Shanoff is around to put things into perspective on his
creepy, unsettling Tim Teblog (http://www.timteblog.com/2009/09/tebow-knocked-out-of-florida-win.html):
QuoteIn the first shocking minutes after Tebow was hit -- as he laid on the field, motionless -- I defy anyone, Tebow fan or not, to not admit to freaking out.
I am not sure I have ever felt a sense of relief watching a sports event as great as when Tebow finally sat up and used his arms to adjust his helmet. He was moving.
Relax, America. HE WAS MOVING.
Fuck Penn State.
Edit: And fuck Happy Valley and their bullshit chanting while we're at it.
Statphage: Fullmast
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on September 26, 2009, 09:20:37 PM
Tim T-boned:
Linky (http://deadspin.com/5368638/deadspin-red-alert)
Luckily, noted Tebow stalker and Gator bandwagoner Dan Shanoff is around to put things into perspective on his creepy, unsettling Tim Teblog (http://www.timteblog.com/2009/09/tebow-knocked-out-of-florida-win.html):
QuoteIn the first shocking minutes after Tebow was hit -- as he laid on the field, motionless -- I defy anyone, Tebow fan or not, to not admit to freaking out.
I am not sure I have ever felt a sense of relief watching a sports event as great as when Tebow finally sat up and used his arms to adjust his helmet. He was moving.
Relax, America. HE WAS MOVING.
That was crazy. Never seen a bar go quiet like it did after that play. Overall, pretty shitty day save for the jack ass FSU fan getting his ass kicked after cheering when Tebow went down.
Gravity is obviously not impacting the gal from Florida...
Quote from: BC on September 27, 2009, 12:36:04 AM
Gravity is obviously not impacting the gal from Florida...
Girls frequently wear these things called a "bra" which hold their boobs up in a pleasing manor.
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Tim T-boned:
Linky (http://deadspin.com/5368638/deadspin-red-alert)
Luckily, noted Tebow stalker and Gator bandwagoner Dan Shanoff is around to put things into perspective on his creepy, unsettling Tim Teblog (http://www.timteblog.com/2009/09/tebow-knocked-out-of-florida-win.html):
QuoteIn the first shocking minutes after Tebow was hit -- as he laid on the field, motionless -- I defy anyone, Tebow fan or not, to not admit to freaking out.
I am not sure I have ever felt a sense of relief watching a sports event as great as when Tebow finally sat up and used his arms to adjust his helmet. He was moving.
Relax, America. HE WAS MOVING.
Tim Tebow is down.
Tim Tebow is supine.
Tim Tebow is shaken up.
Quote from: Pre on September 27, 2009, 09:20:52 AM
Quote from: BC on September 27, 2009, 12:36:04 AM
Gravity is obviously not impacting the gal from Florida...
Girls frequently wear these things called a "bra" which hold their boobs up in a pleasing manor.
BC learned something today.
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Quote from: Pre on September 27, 2009, 09:20:52 AM
Quote from: BC on September 27, 2009, 12:36:04 AM
Gravity is obviously not impacting the gal from Florida...
Girls frequently wear these things called a "bra" which hold their boobs up in a pleasing manor.
BC learned something today.
You got the A. The B. The C. And the D. D is the biggest.
I understand the bra concept, but I was referring to both her tits AND her end zone, err, ass...
You guys are a bunch of bleeps sitting around watching football players who don't give a bleep about you like a piece of bleep.
Quote from: TDubbs on September 27, 2009, 11:18:08 AM
You got the A. The B. The C. And the D. D is the biggest.
This is not at all true. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brassiere_measurement#Bust_measure) Although, probably as much detail as BC can handle.
Quote from: Pre on September 27, 2009, 12:04:25 PM
Quote from: TDubbs on September 27, 2009, 11:18:08 AM
You got the A. The B. The C. And the D. D is the biggest.
This is not at all true. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brassiere_measurement#Bust_measure) Although, probably as much detail as BC can handle. I know the D is the biggest. I've based my whole life on knowing that the D is the biggest.
Two cups in the front, two loops in the back. How do they do it?'d
Quote from: ChuckD on September 26, 2009, 10:02:18 PM
Fuck Penn State.
Edit: And fuck Happy Valley and their bullshit chanting while we're at it.
Blocked punts are the most exciting plays in college football.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 29, 2009, 10:08:25 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 26, 2009, 10:02:18 PM
Fuck Penn State.
Edit: And fuck Happy Valley and their bullshit chanting while we're at it.
Blocked punts are the most exciting plays in college football.
TD's excite me more
Quote from: IrishYeti on September 29, 2009, 10:11:29 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 29, 2009, 10:08:25 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 26, 2009, 10:02:18 PM
Fuck Penn State.
Edit: And fuck Happy Valley and their bullshit chanting while we're at it.
Blocked punts are the most exciting plays in college football.
TD's excite me more
I like the hot college chicks in the stands wearing next to nothing.
Quote from: TDubbs on September 29, 2009, 10:20:34 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on September 29, 2009, 10:11:29 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 29, 2009, 10:08:25 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 26, 2009, 10:02:18 PM
Fuck Penn State.
Edit: And fuck Happy Valley and their bullshit chanting while we're at it.
Blocked punts are the most exciting plays in college football.
TD's excite me more
I like the hot college chicks in the stands wearing next to nothing.
Intrepid Reader: TdubbsI get older, they stay the same age. Heh heh heh.
Quote from: TDubbs on September 29, 2009, 10:20:34 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on September 29, 2009, 10:11:29 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 29, 2009, 10:08:25 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 26, 2009, 10:02:18 PM
Fuck Penn State.
Edit: And fuck Happy Valley and their bullshit chanting while we're at it.
Blocked punts are the most exciting plays in college football.
TD's excite me more
I like the hot college chicks in the stands wearing next to nothing.
People went to Concordia football games?
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 29, 2009, 11:07:37 AM
Quote from: TDubbs on September 29, 2009, 10:20:34 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on September 29, 2009, 10:11:29 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 29, 2009, 10:08:25 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 26, 2009, 10:02:18 PM
Fuck Penn State.
Edit: And fuck Happy Valley and their bullshit chanting while we're at it.
Blocked punts are the most exciting plays in college football.
TD's excite me more
I like the hot college chicks in the stands wearing next to nothing.
People went to Concordia football games?
Concordia has a football team?
Quote from: TDubbs on September 29, 2009, 10:20:34 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on September 29, 2009, 10:11:29 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 29, 2009, 10:08:25 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 26, 2009, 10:02:18 PM
Fuck Penn State.
Edit: And fuck Happy Valley and their bullshit chanting while we're at it.
Blocked punts are the most exciting plays in college football.
TD's excite me more
I like the hot college chicks in the stands wearing next to nothing.
You really should revive the Lyte Funky Ones.
Quote from: MAD on September 29, 2009, 11:14:17 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on September 29, 2009, 11:07:37 AM
Quote from: TDubbs on September 29, 2009, 10:20:34 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on September 29, 2009, 10:11:29 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 29, 2009, 10:08:25 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 26, 2009, 10:02:18 PM
Fuck Penn State.
Edit: And fuck Happy Valley and their bullshit chanting while we're at it.
Blocked punts are the most exciting plays in college football.
TD's excite me more
I like the hot college chicks in the stands wearing next to nothing.
People went to Concordia football games?
Concordia has a football team?
I went to 1 game in 4 years. They were awful. They won 4 games in my 4 years there, and 2 of them were during my freshman year.
This year, however, they are 3-0. Granted, they haven't played the best competition, but Big Cat Williams is scheduling them.
Quote from: IrishYeti on September 29, 2009, 10:11:29 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 29, 2009, 10:08:25 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 26, 2009, 10:02:18 PM
Fuck Penn State.
Edit: And fuck Happy Valley and their bullshit chanting while we're at it.
Blocked punts are the most exciting plays in college football.
TD's excite me more
The game I saw combined both in one play.
I know I'm a few days late on this story, but I hadn't seen the details until now. Holy shitballs. (http://www.latimes.com/sports/college/usc/la-sp-stafon-johnson-usc30-2009sep30,0,475014.story)
QuoteJohnson was performing a "bench press" lift with what doctors were told was 275 pounds when the bar apparently slipped from his hand and landed on his throat. USC officials said an assistant strength and conditioning coach was working with Johnson as a "spotter" when the accident happened, but he was unable to stop the bar from injuring the player.
Initially spitting blood from his mouth and nose, Johnson was rushed by ambulance to the hospital.
At 5 feet 11 and 210 pounds, Johnson was able to survive the accident because the muscles around his neck helped him keep open a breathing passage, Hinika said at a news conference Tuesday.
"Had that been any one of us, meaning me, I would not have survived," Hinika said. "His neck was so solid and so muscular, that actually helped maintain his airway."
The guy dropped 275 elbees ON HIS THROAT and lived to tell the tale. Fork, how long were you in the hospital when you did this?
Quote from: R-V on September 30, 2009, 12:54:35 PM
I know I'm a few days late on this story, but I hadn't seen the details until now. Holy shitballs. (http://www.latimes.com/sports/college/usc/la-sp-stafon-johnson-usc30-2009sep30,0,475014.story)
QuoteJohnson was performing a "bench press" lift with what doctors were told was 275 pounds when the bar apparently slipped from his hand and landed on his throat. USC officials said an assistant strength and conditioning coach was working with Johnson as a "spotter" when the accident happened, but he was unable to stop the bar from injuring the player.
Initially spitting blood from his mouth and nose, Johnson was rushed by ambulance to the hospital.
At 5 feet 11 and 210 pounds, Johnson was able to survive the accident because the muscles around his neck helped him keep open a breathing passage, Hinika said at a news conference Tuesday.
"Had that been any one of us, meaning me, I would not have survived," Hinika said. "His neck was so solid and so muscular, that actually helped maintain his airway."
The guy dropped 275 elbees ON HIS THROAT and lived to tell the tale. Fork, how long were you in the hospital when you did this?
He's going to live. Doctors aren't sure if he'll be able to talk however. 275lbs, god that had to hurt.
Quote from: R-V on September 30, 2009, 12:54:35 PM
I know I'm a few days late on this story, but I hadn't seen the details until now. Holy shitballs. (http://www.latimes.com/sports/college/usc/la-sp-stafon-johnson-usc30-2009sep30,0,475014.story)
QuoteJohnson was performing a "bench press" lift with what doctors were told was 275 pounds when the bar apparently slipped from his hand and landed on his throat. USC officials said an assistant strength and conditioning coach was working with Johnson as a "spotter" when the accident happened, but he was unable to stop the bar from injuring the player.
Initially spitting blood from his mouth and nose, Johnson was rushed by ambulance to the hospital.
At 5 feet 11 and 210 pounds, Johnson was able to survive the accident because the muscles around his neck helped him keep open a breathing passage, Hinika said at a news conference Tuesday.
"Had that been any one of us, meaning me, I would not have survived," Hinika said. "His neck was so solid and so muscular, that actually helped maintain his airway."
The guy dropped 275 elbees ON HIS THROAT and lived to tell the tale. Fork, how long were you in the hospital when you did this?
I lay higher on the bench, so I broke my clavicle.
Quote from: R-V on September 30, 2009, 12:54:35 PM
I know I'm a few days late on this story, but I hadn't seen the details until now. Holy shitballs. (http://www.latimes.com/sports/college/usc/la-sp-stafon-johnson-usc30-2009sep30,0,475014.story)
QuoteJohnson was performing a "bench press" lift with what doctors were told was 275 pounds when the bar apparently slipped from his hand and landed on his throat. USC officials said an assistant strength and conditioning coach was working with Johnson as a "spotter" when the accident happened, but he was unable to stop the bar from injuring the player.
Initially spitting blood from his mouth and nose, Johnson was rushed by ambulance to the hospital.
At 5 feet 11 and 210 pounds, Johnson was able to survive the accident because the muscles around his neck helped him keep open a breathing passage, Hinika said at a news conference Tuesday.
"Had that been any one of us, meaning me, I would not have survived," Hinika said. "His neck was so solid and so muscular, that actually helped maintain his airway."
The guy dropped 275 elbees ON HIS THROAT and lived to tell the tale. Fork, how long were you in the hospital when you did this?
When I did bench, the bar was always at my chest. This dood has weird form. No wonder he almost killed himself.
Quote from: IrishYeti on September 30, 2009, 03:07:01 PM
When I did bench, the bar was always at my chest. This dood has weird form. No wonder he almost killed himself.
I believe part of it slipping out of control involves it moving into
a position other than perfectly aligned with the correct spot. I
would also guess that it happened while he was putting the bar
back on the support, which involved moving it towards his head.
Quote from: Pre on September 30, 2009, 03:21:07 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on September 30, 2009, 03:07:01 PM
When I did bench, the bar was always at my chest. This dood has weird form. No wonder he almost killed himself.
I believe part of it slipping out of control involves it moving into
a position other than perfectly aligned with the correct spot. I
would also guess that it happened while he was putting the bar
back on the support, which involved moving it towards his head.
Intrepid Reader: ButtHandsI wonder if Thrill has any anecdotes from lifting weights with the art club.
Intrepid Reader: TDubbsThe art club wore bike helmets with their tutus because they were always dropping their sousaphones on their calculators.
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on September 30, 2009, 03:57:03 PM
Intrepid Reader: ButtHands
I wonder if Thrill has any anecdotes from lifting weights with the art club.
Busted. My first thought when I read about weightlifting was you.
Quote from: Pre on September 30, 2009, 03:21:07 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on September 30, 2009, 03:07:01 PM
When I did bench, the bar was always at my chest. This dood has weird form. No wonder he almost killed himself.
I believe part of it slipping out of control involves it moving into
a position other than perfectly aligned with the correct spot. I
would also guess that it happened while he was putting the bar
back on the support, which involved moving it towards his head.
Yeah, but he had a spotter. What the fuck was
he doing?
Quote from: Fork on October 01, 2009, 09:28:03 AM
Quote from: Pre on September 30, 2009, 03:21:07 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on September 30, 2009, 03:07:01 PM
When I did bench, the bar was always at my chest. This dood has weird form. No wonder he almost killed himself.
I believe part of it slipping out of control involves it moving into
a position other than perfectly aligned with the correct spot. I
would also guess that it happened while he was putting the bar
back on the support, which involved moving it towards his head.
Yeah, but he had a spotter. What the fuck was he doing?
Probably picking it up off of his crushed throat.
Quote from: Fork on October 01, 2009, 09:28:03 AM
Quote from: Pre on September 30, 2009, 03:21:07 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on September 30, 2009, 03:07:01 PM
When I did bench, the bar was always at my chest. This dood has weird form. No wonder he almost killed himself.
I believe part of it slipping out of control involves it moving into
a position other than perfectly aligned with the correct spot. I
would also guess that it happened while he was putting the bar
back on the support, which involved moving it towards his head.
Yeah, but he had a spotter. What the fuck was he doing?
He was barely even using his pinkies. It's you all the way bro. You got this! PUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSH!
Oh fuck...someone help!
Purdue may want to work a bit on the ball security there.
Quote from: thehawk on October 03, 2009, 02:14:53 PM
Purdue may want to work a bit on the ball security there.
Up 21-3. Six turnovers later, 27-21 loss at home to NU. This is the worst Purdue team I can remember. I need drinky. Quickly.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 03, 2009, 02:16:39 PM
Quote from: thehawk on October 03, 2009, 02:14:53 PM
Purdue may want to work a bit on the ball security there.
Up 21-3. Six turnovers later, 27-21 loss at home to NU. This is the worst Purdue team I can remember. I need drinky. Quickly.
Thanks Purdue, NU needed all the help it could get.
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on October 03, 2009, 08:58:03 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 03, 2009, 02:16:39 PM
Quote from: thehawk on October 03, 2009, 02:14:53 PM
Purdue may want to work a bit on the ball security there.
Up 21-3. Six turnovers later, 27-21 loss at home to NU. This is the worst Purdue team I can remember. I need drinky. Quickly.
Thanks Purdue, NU needed all the help it could get.
I'd say that niether team will win a game the rest of the year but I obviously know absoutely jack shit about sports and I'm so tanked I don't even know if I just spelled neither right.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 03, 2009, 09:18:57 PM
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on October 03, 2009, 08:58:03 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 03, 2009, 02:16:39 PM
Quote from: thehawk on October 03, 2009, 02:14:53 PM
Purdue may want to work a bit on the ball security there.
Up 21-3. Six turnovers later, 27-21 loss at home to NU. This is the worst Purdue team I can remember. I need drinky. Quickly.
Thanks Purdue, NU needed all the help it could get.
I'd say that niether team will win a game the rest of the year but I obviously know absoutely jack shit about sports and I'm so tanked I don't even know if I just spelled neither right.
Northwestern
10/10 vs Miami (OH)
10/17 at Mich St
10/24 vs Indiana (HC)
10/31 vs Penn St
11/07 at Iowa
11/14 at Illinois
11/21 vs Wisconsin
Purdue
10/10 at Minnesota
10/17 vs Ohio St
10/24 vs Illinois
10/31 at Wisconsin
11/07 at Michigan
11/14 vs Mich St
11/21 at Indiana
Both should beat Illinois at least. I was at the game today and they look really, really bad.
Quote from: BearsBearsBearsB... on October 03, 2009, 09:50:26 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 03, 2009, 09:18:57 PM
Quote from: PiniellaTailOnTheDonkey on October 03, 2009, 08:58:03 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 03, 2009, 02:16:39 PM
Quote from: thehawk on October 03, 2009, 02:14:53 PM
Purdue may want to work a bit on the ball security there.
Up 21-3. Six turnovers later, 27-21 loss at home to NU. This is the worst Purdue team I can remember. I need drinky. Quickly.
Thanks Purdue, NU needed all the help it could get.
I'd say that niether team will win a game the rest of the year but I obviously know absoutely jack shit about sports and I'm so tanked I don't even know if I just spelled neither right.
Northwestern
10/10 vs Miami (OH)
10/17 at Mich St
10/24 vs Indiana (HC)
10/31 vs Penn St
11/07 at Iowa
11/14 at Illinois
11/21 vs Wisconsin
Purdue
10/10 at Minnesota
10/17 vs Ohio St
10/24 vs Illinois
10/31 at Wisconsin
11/07 at Michigan
11/14 vs Mich St
11/21 at Indiana
Both should beat Illinois at least. I was at the game today and they look really, really bad.
I was there as well. I kept asking the security guard near me if he was ever going to arrest Joe Pa for the rape his team was committing. 7-3 Penn State at halftime, 28-3 by the start of the 4th quarter. Uggh.
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Purdue may want to work a bit on the ball security there.
Up 21-3. Six turnovers later, 27-21 loss at home to NU. This is the worst Purdue team I can remember. I need drinky. Quickly.
Thanks Purdue, NU needed all the help it could get.
I'd say that niether team will win a game the rest of the year but I obviously know absoutely jack shit about sports and I'm so tanked I don't even know if I just spelled neither right.
Northwestern
10/10 vs Miami (OH)
10/17 at Mich St
10/24 vs Indiana (HC)
10/31 vs Penn St
11/07 at Iowa
11/14 at Illinois
11/21 vs Wisconsin
Purdue
10/10 at Minnesota
10/17 vs Ohio St
10/24 vs Illinois
10/31 at Wisconsin
11/07 at Michigan
11/14 vs Mich St
11/21 at Indiana
Both should beat Illinois at least. I was at the game today and they look really, really bad.
I'll put my money on Illinois. Purdue is terrible...Northwestern is outright disgusting.
That was the probably worst Big Ten game I've ever watched as far overall quality.
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Quote from: thehawk on October 03, 2009, 02:14:53 PM
Purdue may want to work a bit on the ball security there.
Up 21-3. Six turnovers later, 27-21 loss at home to NU. This is the worst Purdue team I can remember. I need drinky. Quickly.
Thanks Purdue, NU needed all the help it could get.
I'd say that niether team will win a game the rest of the year but I obviously know absoutely jack shit about sports and I'm so tanked I don't even know if I just spelled neither right.
Northwestern
10/10 vs Miami (OH)
10/17 at Mich St
10/24 vs Indiana (HC)
10/31 vs Penn St
11/07 at Iowa
11/14 at Illinois
11/21 vs Wisconsin
Purdue
10/10 at Minnesota
10/17 vs Ohio St
10/24 vs Illinois
10/31 at Wisconsin
11/07 at Michigan
11/14 vs Mich St
11/21 at Indiana
Both should beat Illinois at least. I was at the game today and they look really, really bad.
I'll put my money on Illinois. Purdue is terrible...Northwestern is outright disgusting.
That was the probably worst Big Ten game I've ever watched as far overall quality.
As bad as Illinois looks, I think you're right about this.
I can't vouch for this conference anymore. It's disgraceful.
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Quote from: thehawk on October 03, 2009, 02:14:53 PM
Purdue may want to work a bit on the ball security there.
Up 21-3. Six turnovers later, 27-21 loss at home to NU. This is the worst Purdue team I can remember. I need drinky. Quickly.
Thanks Purdue, NU needed all the help it could get.
I'd say that niether team will win a game the rest of the year but I obviously know absoutely jack shit about sports and I'm so tanked I don't even know if I just spelled neither right.
Northwestern
10/10 vs Miami (OH)
10/17 at Mich St
10/24 vs Indiana (HC)
10/31 vs Penn St
11/07 at Iowa
11/14 at Illinois
11/21 vs Wisconsin
Purdue
10/10 at Minnesota
10/17 vs Ohio St
10/24 vs Illinois
10/31 at Wisconsin
11/07 at Michigan
11/14 vs Mich St
11/21 at Indiana
Both should beat Illinois at least. I was at the game today and they look really, really bad.
I'll put my money on Illinois. Purdue is terrible...Northwestern is outright disgusting.
That was the probably worst Big Ten game I've ever watched as far overall quality.
As bad as Illinois looks, I think you're right about this.
I can't vouch for this conference anymore. It's disgraceful.
Maybe in sports. But Northwestern is a really good school. And Illiniois, it has some really smart alums too.
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Quote from: thehawk on October 03, 2009, 02:14:53 PM
Purdue may want to work a bit on the ball security there.
Up 21-3. Six turnovers later, 27-21 loss at home to NU. This is the worst Purdue team I can remember. I need drinky. Quickly.
Thanks Purdue, NU needed all the help it could get.
I'd say that niether team will win a game the rest of the year but I obviously know absoutely jack shit about sports and I'm so tanked I don't even know if I just spelled neither right.
Northwestern
10/10 vs Miami (OH)
10/17 at Mich St
10/24 vs Indiana (HC)
10/31 vs Penn St
11/07 at Iowa
11/14 at Illinois
11/21 vs Wisconsin
Purdue
10/10 at Minnesota
10/17 vs Ohio St
10/24 vs Illinois
10/31 at Wisconsin
11/07 at Michigan
11/14 vs Mich St
11/21 at Indiana
Both should beat Illinois at least. I was at the game today and they look really, really bad.
I'll put my money on Illinois. Purdue is terrible...Northwestern is outright disgusting.
That was the probably worst Big Ten game I've ever watched as far overall quality.
Illinois' football season was cancelled after the Missouri game.
Quote from: Waco Kid on October 05, 2009, 08:52:09 AM
Illinois' football season was cancelled after the Missouri game.
The one in 2005?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 05, 2009, 08:53:56 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on October 05, 2009, 08:52:09 AM
Illinois' football season was cancelled after the Missouri game.
The one in 2005?
Reflexive, snarky comment about Illinois going to a Rose Bowl more recently than Iowa, followed by realization of the pit of despair that haunts my existence simply from watching Illinois football, followed by the soft sound of me dying inside.
Quote from: SKO on October 05, 2009, 09:26:08 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 05, 2009, 08:53:56 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on October 05, 2009, 08:52:09 AM
Illinois' football season was cancelled after the Missouri game.
The one in 2005?
Reflexive, snarky comment about Illinois going to a Rose Bowl more recently than Iowa, followed by realization of the pit of despair that haunts my existence simply from watching Illinois football, followed by the soft sound of me dying inside.
Pete Elliott's 1964 Rose Bowl can be discounted.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,836766,00.html
Fun to see Otto Kerner lambasting crookish behavior.
ND is going to lose by a million to Southern Cal. Dammit.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 05, 2009, 10:09:41 AM
ND is going to lose by a million to Southern Cal. Dammit.
Actually, ND might not get blown out, but that would only be because USC may not be as good as they have been, not because ND is any good.
Quote from: MAD on October 05, 2009, 10:16:31 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 05, 2009, 10:09:41 AM
ND is going to lose by a million to Southern Cal. Dammit.
Actually, ND might not get blown out, but that would only be because USC may not be as good as they have been, not because ND is any good.
Or they might be. Maybe. We'll see.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 05, 2009, 08:53:56 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on October 05, 2009, 08:52:09 AM
Illinois' football season was cancelled after the Missouri game.
The one in 2005?
They played the season in 2007 and then went right back to cancelling seasons.
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Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 05, 2009, 10:09:41 AM
ND is going to lose by a million to Southern Cal. Dammit.
Actually, ND might not get blown out, but that would only be because USC may not be as good as they have been, not because ND is any good.
Or they might be. Maybe. We'll see.
Shutup assface, you're an unfunny dork.
Quote from: Waco Kid on October 05, 2009, 10:40:36 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 05, 2009, 08:53:56 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on October 05, 2009, 08:52:09 AM
Illinois' football season was cancelled after the Missouri game.
The one in 2005?
They played the season in 2007 and then went right back to cancelling seasons.
Shoulda' thrown Illinois out in 1966 and been done with them. Would have saved them the embarrassment that was Lou Henson.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 05, 2009, 10:51:52 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on October 05, 2009, 10:40:36 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 05, 2009, 08:53:56 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on October 05, 2009, 08:52:09 AM
Illinois' football season was cancelled after the Missouri game.
The one in 2005?
They played the season in 2007 and then went right back to cancelling seasons.
Shoulda' thrown Illinois out in 1966 and been done with them. Would have saved them the embarrassment that was Lou Henson.
I think you mean Tepper. Retard.
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Quote from: Waco Kid on October 05, 2009, 10:40:36 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 05, 2009, 08:53:56 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on October 05, 2009, 08:52:09 AM
Illinois' football season was cancelled after the Missouri game.
The one in 2005?
They played the season in 2007 and then went right back to cancelling seasons.
Shoulda' thrown Illinois out in 1966 and been done with them. Would have saved them the embarrassment that was Lou Henson.
I think you mean Tepper. Retard.
What happened in 1966?
Quote from: Mickey Nine: The Dream Weaver on October 05, 2009, 11:02:03 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 05, 2009, 10:51:52 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on October 05, 2009, 10:40:36 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 05, 2009, 08:53:56 AM
Quote from: Waco Kid on October 05, 2009, 08:52:09 AM
Illinois' football season was cancelled after the Missouri game.
The one in 2005?
They played the season in 2007 and then went right back to cancelling seasons.
Shoulda' thrown Illinois out in 1966 and been done with them. Would have saved them the embarrassment that was Lou Henson.
I think you mean Tepper. Retard.
Sure. Add him, too.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 05, 2009, 08:21:04 AM
Maybe in sports. But Northwestern is a really good school. And Illiniois, it has some really smart alums too.
U of I gave us Dan Fogelberg, for example.
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/fisherwy/R2XWPGe9s_I/AAAAAAAAMLk/Yd2SNG3LlPk/dan+fogelberg+picture%5B5%5D)
Ok, shifting gears for a moment. I know there are several august alums of the UI on the board here. Mrs. G and I are heading down to Champaign on Thursday of this week for homecoming and then we'll be sticking around until Sunday morning.
If any of you meatheads were thinking of heading down, Illinois might actually have a chance against Michigan State. And of course there will be cheap beer there too, so there's that.
So, go.
The Juice is benched.
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/ncf/news/story?id=4533361
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 05, 2009, 11:33:07 AM
Ok, shifting gears for a moment. I know there are several august alums of the UI on the board here. Mrs. G and I are heading down to Champaign on Thursday of this week for homecoming and then we'll be sticking around until Sunday morning.
If any of you meatheads were thinking of heading down, Illinois might actually have a chance against Michigan State. And of course there will be cheap beer there too, so there's that.
So, go.
But if they're
not thinking of heading down, then Illinois has
no chance?
Quote from: MAD on October 05, 2009, 12:20:41 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 05, 2009, 11:33:07 AM
Ok, shifting gears for a moment. I know there are several august alums of the UI on the board here. Mrs. G and I are heading down to Champaign on Thursday of this week for homecoming and then we'll be sticking around until Sunday morning.
If any of you meatheads were thinking of heading down, Illinois might actually have a chance against Michigan State. And of course there will be cheap beer there too, so there's that.
So, go.
But if they're not thinking of heading down, then Illinois has no chance?
Yes. That was my exact point.
Punk.
Quote from: Mickey Nine: The Dream Weaver on October 05, 2009, 12:10:42 PM
The Juice is benched.
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/ncf/news/story?id=4533361
We were shocked they didn't put in McGee after, say, the third time they went 3-and-out after a Penn State score.
The offensive play-calling has been, well, offensive. John Shoop thinks this team runs too many bubble screens and third down plays that get 4 yards when 8 is needed.
For the record, I don't think McGee is any better than Juice is...
Quote from: BC on October 06, 2009, 05:21:44 AM
The offensive play-calling has been, well, offensive. John Shoop thinks this team runs too many bubble screens and third down plays that get 4 yards when 8 is needed.
For the record, I don't think McGee is any better than Juice is...
I realize it's not a good idea to agree with BC, as he's prone to oversimplification and overreaction, but the offensive playcalling has been awful. It's not just the repetitive use of the bubble screen when Danny Dufrene can't catch a damn thing, its the fact that they have the consensus most talented wide receiver corps in the Big Ten with Arrellious Benn and Jarred Fayson, and they won't even attempt throwing downfield except at the end of the half. Juice moved the ball in the two minute drill. I still don't blame him for the intentional grounding because I'd like to know why the hell everyone in the stadium could see Penn State lining up to blitz and yet the play call didn't have a single hot route. Most college quarterbacks aren't responsible for adjustments and hot reads at the line of scrimmage, so I'm gonna put that one Zook and Schultz.
I really would have waited to see if he could move the ball against Michigan State before benching him, as judging him on the poor performance against three FBS schools who are a combined 12-2 is a bit unfair, especially when the line's given up 13 sacks already and the defense is allowing 34 ppg against FBS competition. McGee isn't even the slightest of an improvement, as that guys a walking turnover. He had two picks against
Illinois State, and for his career he's got a 5.3 interception %, Juice is at 4.1% (which still is awful, for comparison's sake Rex Grossman's NFL career % is 3.6, and Cutler's is 3.1). Not to mention the fact that Juice is pretty much the only reason Illinois got the 5 wins it did last year, and he's just shy of becoming Illinois' all time leader in total offense. I don't like the move one bit. Oh well. This season's so damned fucked it's not like a quarterback's going to save it.
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Quote from: BC on October 06, 2009, 05:21:44 AM
The offensive play-calling has been, well, offensive. John Shoop thinks this team runs too many bubble screens and third down plays that get 4 yards when 8 is needed.
For the record, I don't think McGee is any better than Juice is...
I realize it's not a good idea to agree with BC, as he's prone to oversimplification and overreaction, but the offensive playcalling has been awful. It's not just the repetitive use of the bubble screen when Danny Dufrene can't catch a damn thing, its the fact that they have the consensus most talented wide receiver corps in the Big Ten with Arrellious Benn and Jarred Fayson, and they won't even attempt throwing downfield accept at the end of the half. Juice moved the ball in the two minute drill. I still don't blame him for the intentional grounding because I'd like to know why the hell everyone in the stadium could see Penn State lining up to blitz and yet the play call didn't have a single hot route. Most college quarterbacks aren't responsible for adjustments and hot reads at the line of scrimmage, so I'm gonna put that one Zook and Schultz.
I really would have waited to see if he could move the ball against Michigan State before benching him, as judging him on the poor performance against three FBS schools who are a combined 12-2 is a bit unfair, especially when the line's given up 13 sacks already and the defense is allowing 34 ppg against FBS competition. McGee isn't even the slightest of an improvement, as that guys a walking turnover. He had two picks against Illinois State, and for his career he's got a 5.3 interception %, Juice is at 4.1% (which still is awful, for comparison's sake Rex Grossman's NFL career % is 3.6, and Cutler's is 3.1). Not to mention the fact that Juice is pretty much the only reason Illinois got the 5 wins it did last year, and he's just shy of becoming Illinois' all time leader in total offense. I don't like the move one bit. Oh well. This season's so damned fucked it's not like a quarterback's going to save it.
The only thing that can save Illinois' season at this point is to
push have Mike Schultz fall down a flight of stairs.
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Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 05, 2009, 11:33:07 AM
Ok, shifting gears for a moment. I know there are several august alums of the UI on the board here. Mrs. G and I are heading down to Champaign on Thursday of this week for homecoming and then we'll be sticking around until Sunday morning.
If any of you meatheads were thinking of heading down, Illinois might actually have a chance against Michigan State. And of course there will be cheap beer there too, so there's that.
So, go.
But if they're not thinking of heading down, then Illinois has no chance?
Yes. That was my exact point.
Punk.
Yeah, turns out Illinois had no chance against MSU.
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Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 05, 2009, 01:03:12 PM
Quote from: MAD on October 05, 2009, 12:20:41 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 05, 2009, 11:33:07 AM
Ok, shifting gears for a moment. I know there are several august alums of the UI on the board here. Mrs. G and I are heading down to Champaign on Thursday of this week for homecoming and then we'll be sticking around until Sunday morning.
If any of you meatheads were thinking of heading down, Illinois might actually have a chance against Michigan State. And of course there will be cheap beer there too, so there's that.
So, go.
But if they're not thinking of heading down, then Illinois has no chance?
Yes. That was my exact point.
Punk.
Yeah, turns out Illinois had no chance against MSU.
Not enough people were thinking of going down there.
Quote from: CT III on October 10, 2009, 12:56:44 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 05, 2009, 01:03:12 PM
Quote from: MAD on October 05, 2009, 12:20:41 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 05, 2009, 11:33:07 AM
Ok, shifting gears for a moment. I know there are several august alums of the UI on the board here. Mrs. G and I are heading down to Champaign on Thursday of this week for homecoming and then we'll be sticking around until Sunday morning.
If any of you meatheads were thinking of heading down, Illinois might actually have a chance against Michigan State. And of course there will be cheap beer there too, so there's that.
So, go.
But if they're not thinking of heading down, then Illinois has no chance?
Yes. That was my exact point.
Punk.
Yeah, turns out Illinois had no chance against MSU.
Best part? Eddie McGee has now been benched...for Juice.
WOOOO, PIG! SOOIE!
WOOOO, PIG! SOOIE!
WOOOO, PIG! SOOIE...RAZORBACKS!!11!11!!!1
Quote from: JD on October 10, 2009, 02:57:09 PM
WOOOO, PIG! SOOIE!
WOOOO, PIG! SOOIE!
WOOOO, PIG! SOOIE...RAZORBACKS!!11!11!!!1
That SEC is a bitch of a conference.
Kentucky almost pulled off the upset against the Gamecocks and their coach who hopes to one day grow up and become a dentist.
So, I guess this is the right place to put this little nugget of information. I was just listening to the LSU pregame show on the radio and who else would you expect to be a surprise guest in Baton Rouge this Saturday? Yep, you geussed it: Ryan TheriBRO. Well, he wasn't alone. Turns out, he and A. J. Eyechart must be pest of BROs because he joined Ryan in the interview. A few highlights:
1. Eyechart never went to Florida. He just grew up in Orlando and is a homer for the Gators.
2. Theriot sort of hinted that Lou is batshit crazy.
3. Theriot and A. J. compared managers: Theriot said that Lou is brutally honest and a bit of a wild man. A. J. started his evaluation of his manager, Ozzie Guillen by saying he's the "polar opposite" of Lou. He then went on to say the Ozzie is brutally honest and a wild man.
4. The radio guy asked them both who their picks were in the MLB Cancelled Playoff Exhibition Extravaganza. Theriot responds, and I quote: "I'm disappointed in my Cardinals." A. J. said that would be in the Trib tomorrow.
Why does Ryan Theriot want us to hate him so?
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 10, 2009, 03:27:05 PM
So, I guess this is the right place to put this little nugget of information. I was just listening to the LSU pregame show on the radio and who else would you expect to be a surprise guest in Baton Rouge this Saturday? Yep, you geussed it: Ryan TheriBRO. Well, he wasn't alone. Turns out, he and A. J. Eyechart must be pest of BROs because he joined Ryan in the interview. A few highlights:
1. Eyechart never went to Florida. He just grew up in Orlando and is a homer for the Gators.
2. Theriot sort of hinted that Lou is batshit crazy.
3. Theriot and A. J. compared managers: Theriot said that Lou is brutally honest and a bit of a wild man. A. J. started his evaluation of his manager, Ozzie Guillen by saying he's the "polar opposite" of Lou. He then went on to say the Ozzie is brutally honest and a wild man.
4. The radio guy asked them both who their picks were in the MLB Cancelled Playoff Exhibition Extravaganza. Theriot responds, and I quote: "I'm disappointed in my Cardinals." A. J. said that would be in the Trib tomorrow.
Why does Ryan Theriot want us to hate him so?
I don't know, but I wonder how such an admission will affect how Dave B. views Theriot.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 10, 2009, 03:27:05 PM
4. The radio guy asked them both who their picks were in the MLB Cancelled Playoff Exhibition Extravaganza. Theriot responds, and I quote: "I'm disappointed in my Cardinals." A. J. said that would be in the Trib tomorrow.
Do the Cardinals have some sort of following down there?
I mean... First IAN, now Theriot.
Are Louisianans and St. Louisans joined together in some sort of cousin-lovin' redneck brotherhood?
Quote from: SKO on October 10, 2009, 01:06:20 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 10, 2009, 12:56:44 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 05, 2009, 01:03:12 PM
Quote from: MAD on October 05, 2009, 12:20:41 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 05, 2009, 11:33:07 AM
Ok, shifting gears for a moment. I know there are several august alums of the UI on the board here. Mrs. G and I are heading down to Champaign on Thursday of this week for homecoming and then we'll be sticking around until Sunday morning.
If any of you meatheads were thinking of heading down, Illinois might actually have a chance against Michigan State. And of course there will be cheap beer there too, so there's that.
So, go.
But if they're not thinking of heading down, then Illinois has no chance?
Yes. That was my exact point.
Punk.
Yeah, turns out Illinois had no chance against MSU.
Best part? Eddie McGee has now been benched...for Juice.
Colder than fuck, let me tell you. My Red Bull/Jager combo kept me warm for most of it, but as more people left, was able to sit in an area with lots of sun. Warmed up well.
I want to believe that if Juice had been starting, we might have had a chance. Then again, he could have tossed like 8 picks, so what do I know.
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on October 10, 2009, 04:46:42 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 10, 2009, 03:27:05 PM
4. The radio guy asked them both who their picks were in the MLB Cancelled Playoff Exhibition Extravaganza. Theriot responds, and I quote: "I'm disappointed in my Cardinals." A. J. said that would be in the Trib tomorrow.
Do the Cardinals have some sort of following down there?
I mean... First IAN, now Theriot.
Are Louisianans and St. Louisans joined together in some sort of cousin-lovin' redneck brotherhood?
Yes, they are.
Quote from: JD on October 10, 2009, 06:09:45 PM
Quote from: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on October 10, 2009, 04:46:42 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 10, 2009, 03:27:05 PM
4. The radio guy asked them both who their picks were in the MLB Cancelled Playoff Exhibition Extravaganza. Theriot responds, and I quote: "I'm disappointed in my Cardinals." A. J. said that would be in the Trib tomorrow.
Do the Cardinals have some sort of following down there?
I mean... First IAN, now Theriot.
Are Louisianans and St. Louisans joined together in some sort of cousin-lovin' redneck brotherhood?
Yes, they are.
Cousin-fuckin' only counts as cousin-fuckin' if you know it's your cousin. Right? Like Dave Attell said, if you have a super hot cousin, you should be allowed to fuck the one time.
Iowa's pretty good. Or not. But Tate Forcier's not. Or maybe he is. He looked a lot faster toward the end. Much tanner too.
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 10, 2009, 04:53:32 PM
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Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 05, 2009, 01:03:12 PM
Quote from: MAD on October 05, 2009, 12:20:41 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 05, 2009, 11:33:07 AM
Ok, shifting gears for a moment. I know there are several august alums of the UI on the board here. Mrs. G and I are heading down to Champaign on Thursday of this week for homecoming and then we'll be sticking around until Sunday morning.
If any of you meatheads were thinking of heading down, Illinois might actually have a chance against Michigan State. And of course there will be cheap beer there too, so there's that.
So, go.
But if they're not thinking of heading down, then Illinois has no chance?
Yes. That was my exact point.
Punk.
Yeah, turns out Illinois had no chance against MSU.
Best part? Eddie McGee has now been benched...for Juice.
Colder than fuck, let me tell you. My Red Bull/Jager combo kept me warm for most of it, but as more people left, was able to sit in an area with lots of sun. Warmed up well.
I want to believe that if Juice had been starting, we might have had a chance. Then again, he could have tossed like 8 picks, so what do I know.
You should have just ignored the Illini game and went to the Hawks opener instead.
Quote from: CT III on October 11, 2009, 01:46:17 AM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 10, 2009, 04:53:32 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 10, 2009, 01:06:20 PM
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Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 05, 2009, 01:03:12 PM
Quote from: MAD on October 05, 2009, 12:20:41 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on October 05, 2009, 11:33:07 AM
Ok, shifting gears for a moment. I know there are several august alums of the UI on the board here. Mrs. G and I are heading down to Champaign on Thursday of this week for homecoming and then we'll be sticking around until Sunday morning.
If any of you meatheads were thinking of heading down, Illinois might actually have a chance against Michigan State. And of course there will be cheap beer there too, so there's that.
So, go.
But if they're not thinking of heading down, then Illinois has no chance?
Yes. That was my exact point.
Punk.
Yeah, turns out Illinois had no chance against MSU.
Best part? Eddie McGee has now been benched...for Juice.
Colder than fuck, let me tell you. My Red Bull/Jager combo kept me warm for most of it, but as more people left, was able to sit in an area with lots of sun. Warmed up well.
I want to believe that if Juice had been starting, we might have had a chance. Then again, he could have tossed like 8 picks, so what do I know.
You should have just ignored the Illini game and went to the Hawks opener instead.
(http://serialdrama.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b72b69e2011168a85b82970c-320wi)
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But I'll be there on Monday night!!!
HEY HAWKEYES!!!
(http://www2.uakron.edu/genchem/images/pete-football.jpg)
You're God Damn welcome.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 17, 2009, 02:20:03 PM
HEY HAWKEYES!!!
(http://www2.uakron.edu/genchem/images/pete-football.jpg)
You're God Damn welcome.
That picture... Um... Purdue Pete needs to settle down a little bit. Either that or see a doctor, if it has been more than four hours.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 17, 2009, 02:20:03 PM
HEY HAWKEYES!!!
(http://www2.uakron.edu/genchem/images/pete-football.jpg)
You're God Damn welcome.
We'll take the help as we try to fly under the radar as long as possible. No way Iowa will run the table, but one loss might be good enough to with the Big Ten title.
In news from the only conference that counts:
Sooooo freakin' close...
The Hogs had their chances to put points on the board and they kept not doing it. If you're gonna beat the #1 team in the nation, then, in those situations, you have to not not do it. The defense played well, though.
Quote from: JD on October 17, 2009, 06:18:16 PM
In news from the only conference that counts:
Sooooo freakin' close...
The Hogs had their chances to put points on the board and they kept not doing it. If you're gonna beat the #1 team in the nation, then, in those situations, you have to not not do it. The defense played well, though.
That was a fun game. I don't know how the gators pulled this one out but I'll take it.
Quote from: air2300 on October 17, 2009, 06:28:59 PM
Quote from: JD on October 17, 2009, 06:18:16 PM
In news from the only conference that counts:
Sooooo freakin' close...
The Hogs had their chances to put points on the board and they kept not doing it. If you're gonna beat the #1 team in the nation, then, in those situations, you have to not not do it. The defense played well, though.
That was a fun game. I don't know how the gators pulled this one out but I'll take it.
It was probably more fun for you than me, but, yeah, it was a good one.
Purdue wins a pillow fight vs. the Illini. Yay? If the Boilers go to Wisconsin and win, then I'll start to get a quiver of excitement. At least they're showing improvement and they've stopped with the friggin' turnover party all day/all night to the early light, come on.
Quote from: JD on October 17, 2009, 07:04:37 PM
Quote from: air2300 on October 17, 2009, 06:28:59 PM
Quote from: JD on October 17, 2009, 06:18:16 PM
In news from the only conference that counts:
Sooooo freakin' close...
The Hogs had their chances to put points on the board and they kept not doing it. If you're gonna beat the #1 team in the nation, then, in those situations, you have to not not do it. The defense played well, though.
That was a fun game. I don't know how the gators pulled this one out but I'll take it.
It was probably more fun for you than me, but, yeah, it was a good one.
...as opposed to the Houston Dale Nutt Bowl today. If the receivers could've held onto anything, then this might've been a decent game. Also, if Arkansas had scored more points than Ole Miss, then Arkansas would have a win instead of a loss.
Thanks to EIGHT Nebraska turnovers Iowa State gets its first win in Lincoln since the Carter administration
Even though Chuck G is a butthole I'm going to announce my full support for Iowa for the rest of the season. I hope they can run the table just to see how this whole thing works when Florida and Texas are also undefeated.
I want to see righteous indignation.
Quote from: Cillit Bang on October 25, 2009, 10:00:09 PM
Even though Chuck G is a butthole I'm going to announce my full support for Iowa for the rest of the season. I hope they can run the table just to see how this whole thing works when Florida and Texas are also undefeated.
I want to see righteous indignation.
Atta boy. Terrell Pryor? Weebs sacked him like ninety hundred times in a 135-3 pounding of the Buckeyes. That means it should be a pretty good game. Pretty. Pretty.
Pretty good.
Quote from: Cillit Bang on October 25, 2009, 10:00:09 PM
Even though Chuck G is a butthole I'm going to announce my full support for Iowa for the rest of the season. I hope they can run the table just to see how this whole thing works when Florida and Texas are also undefeated.
I want to see righteous indignation.
Iowa wins the rights to get their ass beat by USC in the Rose bowl?
Quote from: air2300 on October 25, 2009, 10:16:47 PM
Quote from: Cillit Bang on October 25, 2009, 10:00:09 PM
Even though Chuck G is a butthole I'm going to announce my full support for Iowa for the rest of the season. I hope they can run the table just to see how this whole thing works when Florida and Texas are also undefeated.
I want to see righteous indignation.
Iowa wins the rights to get their ass beat by USC in the Rose bowl?
Yeah. Go 'Eyes!
Quote from: air2300 on October 25, 2009, 10:16:47 PM
Quote from: Cillit Bang on October 25, 2009, 10:00:09 PM
Even though Chuck G is a butthole I'm going to announce my full support for Iowa for the rest of the season. I hope they can run the table just to see how this whole thing works when Florida and Texas are also undefeated.
I want to see righteous indignation.
Iowa wins the rights to get their ass beat by USC in the Rose bowl?
If Iowa runs the table, they'll win the right to get their ass beat by Florida or Alabama in the Rose Bowl in the BCS title game. They are already #1 in the BCS computers. A win at the Shoe and they'll be in the top 3 in the voting polls once the Florida Alabama game is over.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 25, 2009, 10:50:15 PM
Quote from: air2300 on October 25, 2009, 10:16:47 PM
Quote from: Cillit Bang on October 25, 2009, 10:00:09 PM
Even though Chuck G is a butthole I'm going to announce my full support for Iowa for the rest of the season. I hope they can run the table just to see how this whole thing works when Florida and Texas are also undefeated.
I want to see righteous indignation.
Iowa wins the rights to get their ass beat by USC in the Rose bowl?
If Iowa runs the table, they'll win the right to get their ass beat by Florida or Alabama in the Rose Bowl in the BCS title game. They are already #1 in the BCS computers. A win at the Shoe and they'll be in the top 3 in the voting polls once the Florida Alabama game is over.
Maybe. That would hopefully mean end of the BCS. But Texas will be playing in the game if they go undefeated. Iowa will fall in the computers because more likely than not, undefeated team from the SEC will be ranked number 1 by the computers. That hurts Iowa because undefeated Texas will be ranked number 2 in Harris and Coaches poll.
Quote from: air2300 on October 25, 2009, 11:03:18 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 25, 2009, 10:50:15 PM
Quote from: air2300 on October 25, 2009, 10:16:47 PM
Quote from: Cillit Bang on October 25, 2009, 10:00:09 PM
Even though Chuck G is a butthole I'm going to announce my full support for Iowa for the rest of the season. I hope they can run the table just to see how this whole thing works when Florida and Texas are also undefeated.
I want to see righteous indignation.
Iowa wins the rights to get their ass beat by USC in the Rose bowl?
If Iowa runs the table, they'll win the right to get their ass beat by Florida or Alabama in the Rose Bowl in the BCS title game. They are already #1 in the BCS computers. A win at the Shoe and they'll be in the top 3 in the voting polls once the Florida Alabama game is over.
Maybe. That would hopefully mean end of the BCS. But Texas will be playing in the game if they go undefeated. Iowa will fall in the computers because more likely than not, undefeated team from the SEC will be ranked number 1 by the computers. That hurts Iowa because undefeated Texas will be ranked number 2 in Harris and Coaches poll.
And then Iowa fans will piss and moan about the BCS not putting them in the title game. The Big Ten is god awful, and you can't convince me that Iowa wouldn't just get raped by a faster SEC, PAC 10, or Big 12 champion in a BCS bowl. They follow the same exact god damn formula that Penn State and Ohio State have followed for the last few years. Anyone who is denying the complete suckitude of the Big Ten really needs a wakeup call, because they're 15-28 in bowls since 2003. In that time they're 3-8 in BCS bowls, and the last time they won was in January of 2006. One was Penn State beating a 4 loss Florida State team that got in ass backwardly, and the other was Ohio State beating a 3 loss Notre Dame team that only got in because the system is biased in ND's favor the few times they've managed to run that cheesecake of a schedule to the amount of wins that should be automatic for such a "great" program. So yeah, the SEC, PAC 10, and Big 12 all have a better reason to claim that spot if they go undefeated, and hell, with the gauntlet that the SEC is they should consider a one loss SEC Champion over an undefeated Big Ten champ.
Updated just to note: Before any god damn Hawkeye fan comes back with "We're not coached by Jim Tressel" or some crap like that I'll just refer to the last time (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bowls/2003-01-03-orange_x.htm) Ferentz got his club into a BCS Bowl.
I guess that's better than pissing and moaning about Ron Zook and another bottom-feeder finish in the Big 10.
Quote from: Dave B on October 26, 2009, 08:28:18 AM
I guess that's better than pissing and moaning about Ron Zook and another bottom-feeder finish in the Big 10.
THI
Quote from: SKO on October 26, 2009, 07:41:35 AM
Quote from: air2300 on October 25, 2009, 11:03:18 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 25, 2009, 10:50:15 PM
Quote from: air2300 on October 25, 2009, 10:16:47 PM
Quote from: Cillit Bang on October 25, 2009, 10:00:09 PM
Even though Chuck G is a butthole I'm going to announce my full support for Iowa for the rest of the season. I hope they can run the table just to see how this whole thing works when Florida and Texas are also undefeated.
I want to see righteous indignation.
Iowa wins the rights to get their ass beat by USC in the Rose bowl?
If Iowa runs the table, they'll win the right to get their ass beat by Florida or Alabama in the Rose Bowl in the BCS title game. They are already #1 in the BCS computers. A win at the Shoe and they'll be in the top 3 in the voting polls once the Florida Alabama game is over.
Maybe. That would hopefully mean end of the BCS. But Texas will be playing in the game if they go undefeated. Iowa will fall in the computers because more likely than not, undefeated team from the SEC will be ranked number 1 by the computers. That hurts Iowa because undefeated Texas will be ranked number 2 in Harris and Coaches poll.
And then Iowa fans will piss and moan about the BCS not putting them in the title game. The Big Ten is god awful, and you can't convince me that Iowa wouldn't just get raped by a faster SEC, PAC 10, or Big 12 champion in a BCS bowl. They follow the same exact god damn formula that Penn State and Ohio State have followed for the last few years. Anyone who is denying the complete suckitude of the Big Ten really needs a wakeup call, because they're 15-28 in bowls since 2003. In that time they're 3-8 in BCS bowls, and the last time they won was in January of 2006. One was Penn State beating a 4 loss Florida State team that got in ass backwardly, and the other was Ohio State beating a 3 loss Notre Dame team that only got in because the system is biased in ND's favor the few times they've managed to run that cheesecake of a schedule to the amount of wins that should be automatic for such a "great" program. So yeah, the SEC, PAC 10, and Big 12 all have a better reason to claim that spot if they go undefeated, and hell, with the gauntlet that the SEC is they should consider a one loss SEC Champion over an undefeated Big Ten champ.
Updated just to note: Before any god damn Hawkeye fan comes back with "We're not coached by Jim Tressel" or some crap like that I'll just refer to the last time (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bowls/2003-01-03-orange_x.htm) Ferentz got his club into a BCS Bowl.
It doesn't matter. I don't see Iowa winning at OSU anyway. And I'll be in Los Angeles on 1/1/10, but not on 1/7/10. So, if I want to see the game, Rose Bowl works better for me than BCS Bowl.
But an end to the BCS would be nice.
Quote from: Dave B on October 26, 2009, 08:28:18 AM
I guess that's better than pissing and moaning about Ron Zook and another bottom-feeder finish in the Big 10.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 26, 2009, 08:32:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 26, 2009, 07:41:35 AM
Quote from: air2300 on October 25, 2009, 11:03:18 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 25, 2009, 10:50:15 PM
Quote from: air2300 on October 25, 2009, 10:16:47 PM
Quote from: Cillit Bang on October 25, 2009, 10:00:09 PM
Even though Chuck G is a butthole I'm going to announce my full support for Iowa for the rest of the season. I hope they can run the table just to see how this whole thing works when Florida and Texas are also undefeated.
I want to see righteous indignation.
Iowa wins the rights to get their ass beat by USC in the Rose bowl?
If Iowa runs the table, they'll win the right to get their ass beat by Florida or Alabama in the Rose Bowl in the BCS title game. They are already #1 in the BCS computers. A win at the Shoe and they'll be in the top 3 in the voting polls once the Florida Alabama game is over.
Maybe. That would hopefully mean end of the BCS. But Texas will be playing in the game if they go undefeated. Iowa will fall in the computers because more likely than not, undefeated team from the SEC will be ranked number 1 by the computers. That hurts Iowa because undefeated Texas will be ranked number 2 in Harris and Coaches poll.
And then Iowa fans will piss and moan about the BCS not putting them in the title game. The Big Ten is god awful, and you can't convince me that Iowa wouldn't just get raped by a faster SEC, PAC 10, or Big 12 champion in a BCS bowl. They follow the same exact god damn formula that Penn State and Ohio State have followed for the last few years. Anyone who is denying the complete suckitude of the Big Ten really needs a wakeup call, because they're 15-28 in bowls since 2003. In that time they're 3-8 in BCS bowls, and the last time they won was in January of 2006. One was Penn State beating a 4 loss Florida State team that got in ass backwardly, and the other was Ohio State beating a 3 loss Notre Dame team that only got in because the system is biased in ND's favor the few times they've managed to run that cheesecake of a schedule to the amount of wins that should be automatic for such a "great" program. So yeah, the SEC, PAC 10, and Big 12 all have a better reason to claim that spot if they go undefeated, and hell, with the gauntlet that the SEC is they should consider a one loss SEC Champion over an undefeated Big Ten champ.
Updated just to note: Before any god damn Hawkeye fan comes back with "We're not coached by Jim Tressel" or some crap like that I'll just refer to the last time (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bowls/2003-01-03-orange_x.htm) Ferentz got his club into a BCS Bowl.
It doesn't matter. I don't see Iowa winning at OSU anyway. And I'll be in Los Angeles on 1/1/10, but not on 1/7/10. So, if I want to see the game, Rose Bowl works better for me than BCS Bowl.
But an end to the BCS would be nice.
See, Dave B gave me the expected reaction. But you're all reasonable and shit. I didn't expect this from Internet Chuck. I have to go somewhere and reflect, because the ANGER today after yesterday's Bears debacle needs an outlet somewhere, and damnit, I really wanted it to be you.
Quote from: SKO on October 26, 2009, 08:33:59 AM
See, Dave B gave me the expected reaction. But you're all reasonable and shit. I didn't expect this from Internet Chuck. I have to go somewhere and reflect, because the ANGER today after yesterday's Bears debacle needs an outlet somewhere, and damnit, I really wanted it to be you.
Fine. How's this?
"Gee, that Tommy Harris pre-season you were pointing to really has worked out while I was saying he was through!"
Now, you can be mad at me.
For being reasonable again.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 26, 2009, 08:37:20 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 26, 2009, 08:33:59 AM
See, Dave B gave me the expected reaction. But you're all reasonable and shit. I didn't expect this from Internet Chuck. I have to go somewhere and reflect, because the ANGER today after yesterday's Bears debacle needs an outlet somewhere, and damnit, I really wanted it to be you.
Fine. How's this?
"Gee, that Tommy Harris pre-season you were pointing to really has worked out while I was saying he was through!"
Now, you can be mad at me.
For being reasonable again.
I hate so much about my existence as a sports fan that I can't muster up anything. I may need to retire from Desipio. I don't know. I turned on the Illinois game to find Illinois down 21-7 and driving with a white guy at quarterback. I was at first angry that Zook had continued to blame the offense's struggles on Juice and not just the coaching staff and team as a whole collectively sucking, but then white guy drove Illinois to the 5, where the clock ticked all the way down to 14 seconds. I naturally assumed Illinois had only one or zero timeouts left. Turns out they had all three. And Zook let it run down to 14 seconds. Then I got angry because he pulled the white guy on first and goal from the 5, and Juice naturally looked awful as Illinois went 3 and out, then missed the 22 yard field goal.
Then, while watching Florida-Miss. St I get to see "Illinois AD Ron Guenther announces Ron Zook will be head coach through 2010 season." That's interesting not only in that it's the worst possible news I could have heard at the moment, but that the very concept is so laughable that ESPN felt the need to actually notice and comment on the existence of Illinois football for the first time since the Rose Bowl two years ago. Then the Bears did what they did yesterday. Someday very soon someone will pay for the ANGER I ANGER all the ANGER. So there's that. I'm not even sure what I was trying to say.
I honestly can't see the Hawks winning at Ohio State, but than again I said the same things about them not winning at Penn State, Wisconsin, or Michigan State and look how wrong I was there.
They also don't play Illinois or Purdue.
They have won 12 in a row,
As an Iowa grad who still lives in the Iowa City area, I had gotten kind of tired of the fanaticism a lot of Iowans have toward the football team. But seeing this story develop and some of the ways they've won games is pretty interesting. And they do it with a lot of Iowa kids mixed in with some out-of-staters who weren't four- or five-star recruits. Ferentz seems like a decent guy and is well-respected. It's not to say that the program hasn't had it's share of run-ins with the law, but that seems to have toned down and gotten better, too.
(http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/dan/scary/sinistar.jpg)
Quote from: SKO on October 26, 2009, 08:47:18 AM
I ANGER.
Quote from: Dave B on October 26, 2009, 08:54:17 AM
I honestly can't see the Hawks winning at Ohio State, but than again I said the same things about them not winning at Penn State, Wisconsin, or Michigan State and look how wrong I was there.
They also don't play Illinois or Purdue.
They have won 12 in a row,
As an Iowa grad who still lives in the Iowa City area, I had gotten kind of tired of the fanaticism a lot of Iowans have toward the football team. But seeing this story develop and some of the ways they've won games is pretty interesting. And they do it with a lot of Iowa kids mixed in with some out-of-staters who weren't four- or five-star recruits. Ferentz seems like a decent guy and is well-respected. It's not to say that the program hasn't had it's share of run-ins with the law, but that seems to have toned down and gotten better, too.
After watching them against Wisconsin (thanks for outing Bielema a little more as a crap coach) and MSU, their d line should fair well at OSU. They are going to face a much better secondary than they have in two weeks though and that's where you should be concerned. That was a great game Saturday night, so it will be interesting to see how they do.
Quote from: Dave B on October 26, 2009, 08:28:18 AM
I guess that's better than pissing and moaning about Ron Zook and another bottom-feeder finish in the Big 10.
At least we'll get a sweet draft pick - wait...
This may be as sensible a place as any for this. I have 3 tickets for the NU Penn State game this Saturday (10/31) at 3:30. I am out of town and looking for them to go to a good home. Tickets are pretty good (20 rows up at the 10 yard line) and come with seatbacks and everything. Will be fireworks after the game and trick or treating before. Message me before Wednesday if you have an interest.
Quote from: thehawk on October 26, 2009, 11:11:07 AM
This may be as sensible a place as any for this. I have 3 tickets for the NU Penn State game this Saturday (10/31) at 3:30. I am out of town and looking for them to go to a good home. Tickets are pretty good (20 rows up at the 10 yard line) and come with seatbacks and everything. Will be fireworks after the game and trick or treating before. Message me before Wednesday if you have an interest.
Hi.
I'm not interested.
Quote from: World B Free on October 26, 2009, 09:08:55 AM
Quote from: Dave B on October 26, 2009, 08:54:17 AM
I honestly can't see the Hawks winning at Ohio State, but than again I said the same things about them not winning at Penn State, Wisconsin, or Michigan State and look how wrong I was there.
They also don't play Illinois or Purdue.
They have won 12 in a row,
As an Iowa grad who still lives in the Iowa City area, I had gotten kind of tired of the fanaticism a lot of Iowans have toward the football team. But seeing this story develop and some of the ways they've won games is pretty interesting. And they do it with a lot of Iowa kids mixed in with some out-of-staters who weren't four- or five-star recruits. Ferentz seems like a decent guy and is well-respected. It's not to say that the program hasn't had it's share of run-ins with the law, but that seems to have toned down and gotten better, too.
After watching them against Wisconsin (thanks for outing Bielema a little more as a crap coach) and MSU, their d line should fair well at OSU. They are going to face a much better secondary than they have in two weeks though and that's where you should be concerned. That was a great game Saturday night, so it will be interesting to see how they do.
They better not fuck it up against Indiana or Northwestern.
Quote from: SKO on October 26, 2009, 07:41:35 AM
Quote from: air2300 on October 25, 2009, 11:03:18 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 25, 2009, 10:50:15 PM
Quote from: air2300 on October 25, 2009, 10:16:47 PM
Quote from: Cillit Bang on October 25, 2009, 10:00:09 PM
Even though Chuck G is a butthole I'm going to announce my full support for Iowa for the rest of the season. I hope they can run the table just to see how this whole thing works when Florida and Texas are also undefeated.
I want to see righteous indignation.
Iowa wins the rights to get their ass beat by USC in the Rose bowl?
If Iowa runs the table, they'll win the right to get their ass beat by Florida or Alabama in the Rose Bowl in the BCS title game. They are already #1 in the BCS computers. A win at the Shoe and they'll be in the top 3 in the voting polls once the Florida Alabama game is over.
Maybe. That would hopefully mean end of the BCS. But Texas will be playing in the game if they go undefeated. Iowa will fall in the computers because more likely than not, undefeated team from the SEC will be ranked number 1 by the computers. That hurts Iowa because undefeated Texas will be ranked number 2 in Harris and Coaches poll.
And then Iowa fans will piss and moan about the BCS not putting them in the title game. The Big Ten is god awful, and you can't convince me that Iowa wouldn't just get raped by a faster SEC, PAC 10, or Big 12 champion in a BCS bowl. They follow the same exact god damn formula that Penn State and Ohio State have followed for the last few years. Anyone who is denying the complete suckitude of the Big Ten really needs a wakeup call, because they're 15-28 in bowls since 2003. In that time they're 3-8 in BCS bowls, and the last time they won was in January of 2006. One was Penn State beating a 4 loss Florida State team that got in ass backwardly, and the other was Ohio State beating a 3 loss Notre Dame team that only got in because the system is biased in ND's favor the few times they've managed to run that cheesecake of a schedule to the amount of wins that should be automatic for such a "great" program. So yeah, the SEC, PAC 10, and Big 12 all have a better reason to claim that spot if they go undefeated, and hell, with the gauntlet that the SEC is they should consider a one loss SEC Champion over an undefeated Big Ten champ.
Updated just to note: Before any god damn Hawkeye fan comes back with "We're not coached by Jim Tressel" or some crap like that I'll just refer to the last time (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bowls/2003-01-03-orange_x.htm) Ferentz got his club into a BCS Bowl.
Of course Iowa was the only Big 10 team to win it's bowl game last year and they beat one of those faster SEC teams. As a matter of fact, their last three bowl wins are against faster SEC schools.
Iowa has also played a tougher schedule than Florida, Texas, Alabama, TCU, Cincinnati and Boise State to this point. That's why they're No. 1 in the computer rankings. They aren't pretty to watch but they're getting it done.
That said, I just can't see them winning in Columbus. But even if they don't they'll still have a shot to play in the Rose Bowl because OSU is going to lose to Penn State.
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 26, 2009, 02:01:39 PM
But even if they don't they'll still have a shot to play in the Rose Bowl because OSU is going to lose to Penn State.
Iowa goes to the Rose Bowl if they win out but for OSU.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 26, 2009, 02:24:09 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 26, 2009, 02:01:39 PM
But even if they don't they'll still have a shot to play in the Rose Bowl because OSU is going to lose to Penn State.
Iowa goes to the Rose Bowl if they win out but for OSU.
That would mean that OSU gets another loss someplace. Whereabouts? I'm not saying they won't. And I'm not convinced Iowa won't beat them at Columbus. I think they're pretty ordinary.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 26, 2009, 02:41:14 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 26, 2009, 02:24:09 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 26, 2009, 02:01:39 PM
But even if they don't they'll still have a shot to play in the Rose Bowl because OSU is going to lose to Penn State.
Iowa goes to the Rose Bowl if they win out but for OSU.
That would mean that OSU gets another loss someplace. Whereabouts? I'm not saying they won't. And I'm not convinced Iowa won't beat them at Columbus. I think they're pretty ordinary.
OSU is going to lose to Penn State.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 26, 2009, 02:41:14 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 26, 2009, 02:24:09 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 26, 2009, 02:01:39 PM
But even if they don't they'll still have a shot to play in the Rose Bowl because OSU is going to lose to Penn State.
Iowa goes to the Rose Bowl if they win out but for OSU.
That would mean that OSU gets another loss someplace. Whereabouts? I'm not saying they won't. And I'm not convinced Iowa won't beat them at Columbus. I think they're pretty ordinary.
I believe they changed the rules a few years ago so that total record, not just Big 10 record is the deciding factor. OSU already has 2 losses. If Iowa finishes 11-1, even with a loss to OSU, they'd go to Pasadena. Maybe 10.17(c) applies, but I don't think so.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 26, 2009, 02:58:36 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 26, 2009, 02:41:14 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 26, 2009, 02:24:09 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 26, 2009, 02:01:39 PM
But even if they don't they'll still have a shot to play in the Rose Bowl because OSU is going to lose to Penn State.
Iowa goes to the Rose Bowl if they win out but for OSU.
That would mean that OSU gets another loss someplace. Whereabouts? I'm not saying they won't. And I'm not convinced Iowa won't beat them at Columbus. I think they're pretty ordinary.
I believe they changed the rules a few years ago so that total record, not just Big 10 record is the deciding factor. OSU already has 2 losses. If Iowa finishes 11-1, even with a loss to OSU, they'd go to Pasadena. Maybe 10.17(c) applies, but I don't think so.
I do believe that total record is the first tie break after Big 10 record. Then its pie eating contest with the head coaches of the tied teams and indian leg wrestling best 2 of 3 falls.
Uh, yeah... That's not correct.
http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/102204aad.html
QuoteMETHOD TO DETERMINE BIG TEN CONFERENCE AUTOMATIC
REPRESENTATIVE TO THE BOWL CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES
Effective for bowl games following the 2006-09 regular football seasons, the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) will consist of five (5) bowl games: BCS National Championship Game, Rose Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Orange Bowl, and Sugar Bowl. Participation by a Big Ten Conference member institution will be determined as follows:
a. BCS National Championship Game. In the event the conference has one or two football teams ranked No. 1 and/or No. 2 in the final BCS poll, these conference team(s) shall participate in the BCS National Championship Game.
b. Rose Bowl. Unless ranked No. 1 or No. 2 in the final BCS poll, the conference champion shall participate in the Rose Bowl. The championship shall be determined on the percentage basis of conference games (tie games counts ½ win and ½ loss). If there is a tie for the championship, the Rose Bowl representative will be determined as follows:
1) An ineligible team shall not be considered in the standings for determination of the conference representative.
2) If there is a tie for the championship, the winner of the game between these two teams shall represent the conference.3) If there is still a tie for the championship, or if the tied teams did not play each other, the team that played more games against Football Championship Subdivision (FCS) teams shall be eliminated.
4) If there is still a tie, or if the tied teams did not play each other, or if both teams played the same number of games against an FCS team(s), the representative shall be determined on the percentage basis of all games played.
5) If there is still a tie, the most recent team earning BCS automatic selection shall be eliminated.
Total record could be a factor in that BCS Championship bid, I guess. Though I'm not going to strain myself to figure out how.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 26, 2009, 03:53:33 PM
Uh, yeah... That's not correct.
http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/102204aad.html
QuoteMETHOD TO DETERMINE BIG TEN CONFERENCE AUTOMATIC
REPRESENTATIVE TO THE BOWL CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES
Effective for bowl games following the 2006-09 regular football seasons, the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) will consist of five (5) bowl games: BCS National Championship Game, Rose Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Orange Bowl, and Sugar Bowl. Participation by a Big Ten Conference member institution will be determined as follows:
a. BCS National Championship Game. In the event the conference has one or two football teams ranked No. 1 and/or No. 2 in the final BCS poll, these conference team(s) shall participate in the BCS National Championship Game.
b. Rose Bowl. Unless ranked No. 1 or No. 2 in the final BCS poll, the conference champion shall participate in the Rose Bowl. The championship shall be determined on the percentage basis of conference games (tie games counts ½ win and ½ loss). If there is a tie for the championship, the Rose Bowl representative will be determined as follows:
1) An ineligible team shall not be considered in the standings for determination of the conference representative.
2) If there is a tie for the championship, the winner of the game between these two teams shall represent the conference.3) If there is still a tie for the championship, or if the tied teams did not play each other, the team that played more games against Football Championship Subdivision (FCS) teams shall be eliminated.
4) If there is still a tie, or if the tied teams did not play each other, or if both teams played the same number of games against an FCS team(s), the representative shall be determined on the percentage basis of all games played.
5) If there is still a tie, the most recent team earning BCS automatic selection shall be eliminated.
Total record could be a factor in that BCS Championship bid, I guess. Though I'm not going to strain myself to figure out how.
So the pie eating and indian leg wrestling have been eliminated? That sucks.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 26, 2009, 03:53:33 PM
Uh, yeah... That's not correct.
http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/102204aad.html
QuoteMETHOD TO DETERMINE BIG TEN CONFERENCE AUTOMATIC
REPRESENTATIVE TO THE BOWL CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES
Effective for bowl games following the 2006-09 regular football seasons, the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) will consist of five (5) bowl games: BCS National Championship Game, Rose Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Orange Bowl, and Sugar Bowl. Participation by a Big Ten Conference member institution will be determined as follows:
a. BCS National Championship Game. In the event the conference has one or two football teams ranked No. 1 and/or No. 2 in the final BCS poll, these conference team(s) shall participate in the BCS National Championship Game.
b. Rose Bowl. Unless ranked No. 1 or No. 2 in the final BCS poll, the conference champion shall participate in the Rose Bowl. The championship shall be determined on the percentage basis of conference games (tie games counts ½ win and ½ loss). If there is a tie for the championship, the Rose Bowl representative will be determined as follows:
1) An ineligible team shall not be considered in the standings for determination of the conference representative.
2) If there is a tie for the championship, the winner of the game between these two teams shall represent the conference.3) If there is still a tie for the championship, or if the tied teams did not play each other, the team that played more games against Football Championship Subdivision (FCS) teams shall be eliminated.
4) If there is still a tie, or if the tied teams did not play each other, or if both teams played the same number of games against an FCS team(s), the representative shall be determined on the percentage basis of all games played.
5) If there is still a tie, the most recent team earning BCS automatic selection shall be eliminated.
Total record could be a factor in that BCS Championship bid, I guess. Though I'm not going to strain myself to figure out how.
Huh, I thought the "team with the highest ranking in the BCS standings" was one of the tiebreakers. Guess not.
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 26, 2009, 02:01:39 PM
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Quote from: Cillit Bang on October 25, 2009, 10:00:09 PM
Even though Chuck G is a butthole I'm going to announce my full support for Iowa for the rest of the season. I hope they can run the table just to see how this whole thing works when Florida and Texas are also undefeated.
I want to see righteous indignation.
Iowa wins the rights to get their ass beat by USC in the Rose bowl?
If Iowa runs the table, they'll win the right to get their ass beat by Florida or Alabama in the Rose Bowl in the BCS title game. They are already #1 in the BCS computers. A win at the Shoe and they'll be in the top 3 in the voting polls once the Florida Alabama game is over.
Maybe. That would hopefully mean end of the BCS. But Texas will be playing in the game if they go undefeated. Iowa will fall in the computers because more likely than not, undefeated team from the SEC will be ranked number 1 by the computers. That hurts Iowa because undefeated Texas will be ranked number 2 in Harris and Coaches poll.
And then Iowa fans will piss and moan about the BCS not putting them in the title game. The Big Ten is god awful, and you can't convince me that Iowa wouldn't just get raped by a faster SEC, PAC 10, or Big 12 champion in a BCS bowl. They follow the same exact god damn formula that Penn State and Ohio State have followed for the last few years. Anyone who is denying the complete suckitude of the Big Ten really needs a wakeup call, because they're 15-28 in bowls since 2003. In that time they're 3-8 in BCS bowls, and the last time they won was in January of 2006. One was Penn State beating a 4 loss Florida State team that got in ass backwardly, and the other was Ohio State beating a 3 loss Notre Dame team that only got in because the system is biased in ND's favor the few times they've managed to run that cheesecake of a schedule to the amount of wins that should be automatic for such a "great" program. So yeah, the SEC, PAC 10, and Big 12 all have a better reason to claim that spot if they go undefeated, and hell, with the gauntlet that the SEC is they should consider a one loss SEC Champion over an undefeated Big Ten champ.
Updated just to note: Before any god damn Hawkeye fan comes back with "We're not coached by Jim Tressel" or some crap like that I'll just refer to the last time (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bowls/2003-01-03-orange_x.htm) Ferentz got his club into a BCS Bowl.
Of course Iowa was the only Big 10 team to win it's bowl game last year and they beat one of those faster SEC teams. As a matter of fact, their last three bowl wins are against faster SEC schools.
Iowa has also played a tougher schedule than Florida, Texas, Alabama, TCU, Cincinnati and Boise State to this point. That's why they're No. 1 in the computer rankings. They aren't pretty to watch but they're getting it done.
That said, I just can't see them winning in Columbus. But even if they don't they'll still have a shot to play in the Rose Bowl because OSU is going to lose to Penn State.
Those two bowl wins came four and five years ago, back before the Big Ten had sunk into complete obscurity. Also, one of those bowl wins came against Ron Zook. And yes, nice job on last year's bowl win. They beat a 6th place, unranked SEC team, so they must be able to beat Florida, the team that's won two of the last three national championships. And that "tougher schedule" is based on win loss records. Which those teams got by playing other crappy Big Ten teams.
Iowa has played only one sub-.500 team -- Arkansas State -- and the Hawkeyes' opponents have a .633 winning percentage (38-22) that is by far the best of any team in ranked in the AP top 10
Quote from: SKO on October 26, 2009, 04:24:44 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 26, 2009, 02:01:39 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 26, 2009, 07:41:35 AM
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Quote from: air2300 on October 25, 2009, 10:16:47 PM
Quote from: Cillit Bang on October 25, 2009, 10:00:09 PM
Even though Chuck G is a butthole I'm going to announce my full support for Iowa for the rest of the season. I hope they can run the table just to see how this whole thing works when Florida and Texas are also undefeated.
I want to see righteous indignation.
Iowa wins the rights to get their ass beat by USC in the Rose bowl?
If Iowa runs the table, they'll win the right to get their ass beat by Florida or Alabama in the Rose Bowl in the BCS title game. They are already #1 in the BCS computers. A win at the Shoe and they'll be in the top 3 in the voting polls once the Florida Alabama game is over.
Maybe. That would hopefully mean end of the BCS. But Texas will be playing in the game if they go undefeated. Iowa will fall in the computers because more likely than not, undefeated team from the SEC will be ranked number 1 by the computers. That hurts Iowa because undefeated Texas will be ranked number 2 in Harris and Coaches poll.
And then Iowa fans will piss and moan about the BCS not putting them in the title game. The Big Ten is god awful, and you can't convince me that Iowa wouldn't just get raped by a faster SEC, PAC 10, or Big 12 champion in a BCS bowl. They follow the same exact god damn formula that Penn State and Ohio State have followed for the last few years. Anyone who is denying the complete suckitude of the Big Ten really needs a wakeup call, because they're 15-28 in bowls since 2003. In that time they're 3-8 in BCS bowls, and the last time they won was in January of 2006. One was Penn State beating a 4 loss Florida State team that got in ass backwardly, and the other was Ohio State beating a 3 loss Notre Dame team that only got in because the system is biased in ND's favor the few times they've managed to run that cheesecake of a schedule to the amount of wins that should be automatic for such a "great" program. So yeah, the SEC, PAC 10, and Big 12 all have a better reason to claim that spot if they go undefeated, and hell, with the gauntlet that the SEC is they should consider a one loss SEC Champion over an undefeated Big Ten champ.
Updated just to note: Before any god damn Hawkeye fan comes back with "We're not coached by Jim Tressel" or some crap like that I'll just refer to the last time (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bowls/2003-01-03-orange_x.htm) Ferentz got his club into a BCS Bowl.
Of course Iowa was the only Big 10 team to win it's bowl game last year and they beat one of those faster SEC teams. As a matter of fact, their last three bowl wins are against faster SEC schools.
Iowa has also played a tougher schedule than Florida, Texas, Alabama, TCU, Cincinnati and Boise State to this point. That's why they're No. 1 in the computer rankings. They aren't pretty to watch but they're getting it done.
That said, I just can't see them winning in Columbus. But even if they don't they'll still have a shot to play in the Rose Bowl because OSU is going to lose to Penn State.
Those two bowl wins came four and five years ago, back before the Big Ten had sunk into complete obscurity. Also, one of those bowl wins came against Ron Zook. And yes, nice job on last year's bowl win. They beat a 6th place, unranked SEC team, so they must be able to beat Florida, the team that's won two of the last three national championships. And that "tougher schedule" is based on win loss records. Which those teams got by playing other crappy Big Ten teams.
Good point. I'm sure Mississippi State, Arkansas and Vanderbilt would run the table if they played in the Big 10 this year. They're much tougher than Penn State, Michigan or Wisconsin.
Quote from: Dave B on October 26, 2009, 04:28:42 PM
Iowa has played only one sub-.500 team -- Arkansas State -- and the Hawkeyes' opponents have a .633 winning percentage (38-22) that is by far the best of any team in ranked in the AP top 10
But that doesn't seem to matter for some reason.
And it's always funny how the SEC pole smokers talk about how tough their league is right up until one of their schools gets beat in a bowl game. Then it's just "they only beat a 6th place team."
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 26, 2009, 04:30:13 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 26, 2009, 04:28:42 PM
Iowa has played only one sub-.500 team -- Arkansas State -- and the Hawkeyes' opponents have a .633 winning percentage (38-22) that is by far the best of any team in ranked in the AP top 10
But that doesn't seem to matter for some reason.
And it's always funny how the SEC pole smokers talk about how tough their league is right up until one of their schools gets beat in a bowl game. Then it's just "they only beat a 6th place team."
I understand some of your point but are you really trying to say that Big Ten is as good as the SEC? Because you're smoking some awesome shit if you are.
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 26, 2009, 04:30:13 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 26, 2009, 04:28:42 PM
Iowa has played only one sub-.500 team -- Arkansas State -- and the Hawkeyes' opponents have a .633 winning percentage (38-22) that is by far the best of any team in ranked in the AP top 10
But that doesn't seem to matter for some reason.
And it's always funny how the SEC pole smokers talk about how tough their league is right up until one of their schools gets beat in a bowl game. Then it's just "they only beat a 6th place team."
Okay. Well how about when that conference goes 6-2 in bowl games while another conference goes 1-6?
Quote from: SKO on October 26, 2009, 04:24:44 PM
And that "tougher schedule" is based on win loss records. Which those teams got by playing other crappy Big Ten teams.
No one is arguing that Iowa can beat them, just that they deserve to play them if the beat Arizona (20) at home and Penn State (12), Ohio State (17), and Wisconsin (29) on the road.
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 26, 2009, 04:30:13 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 26, 2009, 04:28:42 PM
Iowa has played only one sub-.500 team -- Arkansas State -- and the Hawkeyes' opponents have a .633 winning percentage (38-22) that is by far the best of any team in ranked in the AP top 10
But that doesn't seem to matter for some reason.
And it's always funny how the SEC pole smokers talk about how tough their league is right up until one of their schools gets beat in a bowl game. Then it's just "they only beat a 6th place team."
And throw out the 5 wins of the FCS Northern Iowa, and then look at some of the wins by Iowa's "tough opponents":
Penn State (Akron, Syracuse, Illinois, Eastern Illinois)
Michigan (Western Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Indiana, Delaware State)
Wisconsin (Northern Illinois, Wofford)
Not that other team's don't have cookie non-conference schedules as well, I'm just saying that using win-loss records and toughest schedules as an indicator of anything in college football is far more of a crapshoot than in the NFL. The Big Ten's bowl record over the last half decade speaks for itself.
Edited: Also, going back all the way to 1995, records in bowl games-
QuoteSEC W/L: 1995 2-4, 1996 5-0, 1997 5-1, 1998 4-4, 1999 4-4, 2000 4-5, 2001 5-3, 2002 3-4, 2003 5-2, 2004 3-3, 2005 3-3, 2006 6-3, 2007 7-2, 2008 5-2 TOTALS 61-40 60% Winning Percentage
BIG EAST: 1995 1-0, 1996 2-1, 1997 1-4, 1998 1-3, 1999 2-2, 2000 4-3, 2001 5-2, 2002 3-3, 2003 0-3, 2004 4-4, 2005 2-2, 2006 4-1, 2007 5-1, 2008 4-2 TOTALS 38-31 55%
BIG 12: 1995 6-1, 1996 2-3, 1997 2-3, 1998 3-4, 1999 3-3, 2000 4-3, 2001 3-5, 2002 5-3, 2003 2-6, 2004 4-3, 2005 5-3, 2006 3-5, 2007 5-3, 2008 4-2 TOTALS 51-47 52%
ACC: 1995 4-1, 1996 2-4, 1997 3-2, 1998 4-3, 1999 3-4, 2000 5-3, 2001 5-3, 2002 5-4, 2003 7-2, 2004 3-4, 2005 4-3, 2006 3-4, 2007 1-6, 2008 4-6 TOTALS 51-49 51%
PAC-10: 1995 1-4, 1996 1-4, 1997 5-1, 1998 1-4, 1999 1-4, 2000 3-2, 2001 2-3, 2002 2-4, 2003 4-2, 2004 3-2, 2005 3-2, 2006 2-3, 2007 4-2, 2008 5-0 TOTALS 37-37 50%
BIG TEN: 1995 2-4, 1996 4-3, 1997 2-5, 1998 5-0, 1999 5-2, 2000 2-3, 2001 2-4, 2002 5-2, 2003 3-5, 2004 3-3, 2005 3-4, 2006 2-5, 2007 3-5, 2008 1-6 TOTALS 42-51 45%
Taken from famed SEC polesmokers MGOblog, the most popular Michigan blog on the internet.
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 26, 2009, 04:30:13 PM
And it's always funny how the SEC pole smokers talk about how tough their league is right up until one of their schools gets beat in a bowl game. Then it's just "they only beat a 6th place team."
Plus, if you throw out all of the SEC's wins in bowl games during the last three years, they haven't won a single bowl game.
Quote from: Cillit Bang on October 26, 2009, 04:33:26 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 26, 2009, 04:30:13 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 26, 2009, 04:28:42 PM
Iowa has played only one sub-.500 team -- Arkansas State -- and the Hawkeyes' opponents have a .633 winning percentage (38-22) that is by far the best of any team in ranked in the AP top 10
But that doesn't seem to matter for some reason.
And it's always funny how the SEC pole smokers talk about how tough their league is right up until one of their schools gets beat in a bowl game. Then it's just "they only beat a 6th place team."
I understand some of your point but are you really trying to say that Big Ten is as good as the SEC? Because you're smoking some awesome shit if you are.
My point is that people like to pile on the Big 10 because it supposedly sucks yet Florida gets to play sacks of shit like Arkansas, Mississippi State and Vanderbilt. Not to mention its dogshit non-conference schedule - Charleston Southern, Troy, Florida International and the shittiest team FSU has fielded in 30 years.
Meanwhile, Iowa's played a ranked FCS team and two BCS conference teams and gets to run a road conference schedule of Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan State and Ohio State. And they don't get to play Illinois.
If Iowa runs the table they would most certainly deserve to be in the national championship game ahead of a one-loss SEC team.
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 26, 2009, 04:47:56 PM
Quote from: Cillit Bang on October 26, 2009, 04:33:26 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 26, 2009, 04:30:13 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 26, 2009, 04:28:42 PM
Iowa has played only one sub-.500 team -- Arkansas State -- and the Hawkeyes' opponents have a .633 winning percentage (38-22) that is by far the best of any team in ranked in the AP top 10
But that doesn't seem to matter for some reason.
And it's always funny how the SEC pole smokers talk about how tough their league is right up until one of their schools gets beat in a bowl game. Then it's just "they only beat a 6th place team."
I understand some of your point but are you really trying to say that Big Ten is as good as the SEC? Because you're smoking some awesome shit if you are.
My point is that people like to pile on the Big 10 because it supposedly sucks yet Florida gets to play sacks of shit like Arkansas, Mississippi State and Vanderbilt. Not to mention its dogshit non-conference schedule - Charleston Southern, Troy, Florida International and the shittiest team FSU has fielded in 30 years.
Meanwhile, Iowa's played a ranked FCS team and two BCS conference teams and gets to run a road conference schedule of Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan State and Ohio State. And they don't get to play Illinois.
If Iowa runs the table they would most certainly deserve to be in the national championship game ahead of a one-loss SEC team.
Vanderbilt went 7-6 last year and finished ahead of the South Carolina team the Hawkeyes beat. Arkansas is 3-4 with 3 losses to ranked teams. They are hardly anymore of a sack of dogshit than any of the mid-tier Big Ten teams Iowa gets to play. And Northern Iowa isn't ranked.
Quote from: SKO on October 26, 2009, 04:54:29 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 26, 2009, 04:47:56 PM
Quote from: Cillit Bang on October 26, 2009, 04:33:26 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 26, 2009, 04:30:13 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 26, 2009, 04:28:42 PM
Iowa has played only one sub-.500 team -- Arkansas State -- and the Hawkeyes' opponents have a .633 winning percentage (38-22) that is by far the best of any team in ranked in the AP top 10
But that doesn't seem to matter for some reason.
And it's always funny how the SEC pole smokers talk about how tough their league is right up until one of their schools gets beat in a bowl game. Then it's just "they only beat a 6th place team."
I understand some of your point but are you really trying to say that Big Ten is as good as the SEC? Because you're smoking some awesome shit if you are.
My point is that people like to pile on the Big 10 because it supposedly sucks yet Florida gets to play sacks of shit like Arkansas, Mississippi State and Vanderbilt. Not to mention its dogshit non-conference schedule - Charleston Southern, Troy, Florida International and the shittiest team FSU has fielded in 30 years.
Meanwhile, Iowa's played a ranked FCS team and two BCS conference teams and gets to run a road conference schedule of Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan State and Ohio State. And they don't get to play Illinois.
If Iowa runs the table they would most certainly deserve to be in the national championship game ahead of a one-loss SEC team.
Vanderbilt went 7-6 last year and finished ahead of the South Carolina team the Hawkeyes beat. Arkansas is 3-4 with 3 losses to ranked teams. They are hardly anymore of a sack of dogshit than any of the mid-tier Big Ten teams Iowa gets to play. And Northern Iowa isn't ranked.
So if the mid-level SEC teams are, in your words "hardly anymore of a sack of dogshit than any of the mid-tier Big Ten teams", then I guess the SEC isn't that much better than the Big 10.
Quote from: SKO on October 26, 2009, 04:54:29 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 26, 2009, 04:47:56 PM
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Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 26, 2009, 04:30:13 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 26, 2009, 04:28:42 PM
Iowa has played only one sub-.500 team -- Arkansas State -- and the Hawkeyes' opponents have a .633 winning percentage (38-22) that is by far the best of any team in ranked in the AP top 10
But that doesn't seem to matter for some reason.
And it's always funny how the SEC pole smokers talk about how tough their league is right up until one of their schools gets beat in a bowl game. Then it's just "they only beat a 6th place team."
I understand some of your point but are you really trying to say that Big Ten is as good as the SEC? Because you're smoking some awesome shit if you are.
My point is that people like to pile on the Big 10 because it supposedly sucks yet Florida gets to play sacks of shit like Arkansas, Mississippi State and Vanderbilt. Not to mention its dogshit non-conference schedule - Charleston Southern, Troy, Florida International and the shittiest team FSU has fielded in 30 years.
Meanwhile, Iowa's played a ranked FCS team and two BCS conference teams and gets to run a road conference schedule of Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan State and Ohio State. And they don't get to play Illinois.
If Iowa runs the table they would most certainly deserve to be in the national championship game ahead of a one-loss SEC team.
Vanderbilt went 7-6 last year and finished ahead of the South Carolina team the Hawkeyes beat. Arkansas is 3-4 with 3 losses to ranked teams. They are hardly anymore of a sack of dogshit than any of the mid-tier Big Ten teams Iowa gets to play. And Northern Iowa isn't ranked.
When will people learn not to argue football with SKO?
The Big Ten sucks skunk taint. I'm making my abused foster kids go to a warm weather school that's good at football so they're not stuck rooting for a school that's been coached by shitty Rons for the last decade.
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 26, 2009, 04:58:03 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 26, 2009, 04:54:29 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 26, 2009, 04:47:56 PM
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Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 26, 2009, 04:30:13 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 26, 2009, 04:28:42 PM
Iowa has played only one sub-.500 team -- Arkansas State -- and the Hawkeyes' opponents have a .633 winning percentage (38-22) that is by far the best of any team in ranked in the AP top 10
But that doesn't seem to matter for some reason.
And it's always funny how the SEC pole smokers talk about how tough their league is right up until one of their schools gets beat in a bowl game. Then it's just "they only beat a 6th place team."
I understand some of your point but are you really trying to say that Big Ten is as good as the SEC? Because you're smoking some awesome shit if you are.
My point is that people like to pile on the Big 10 because it supposedly sucks yet Florida gets to play sacks of shit like Arkansas, Mississippi State and Vanderbilt. Not to mention its dogshit non-conference schedule - Charleston Southern, Troy, Florida International and the shittiest team FSU has fielded in 30 years.
Meanwhile, Iowa's played a ranked FCS team and two BCS conference teams and gets to run a road conference schedule of Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan State and Ohio State. And they don't get to play Illinois.
If Iowa runs the table they would most certainly deserve to be in the national championship game ahead of a one-loss SEC team.
Vanderbilt went 7-6 last year and finished ahead of the South Carolina team the Hawkeyes beat. Arkansas is 3-4 with 3 losses to ranked teams. They are hardly anymore of a sack of dogshit than any of the mid-tier Big Ten teams Iowa gets to play. And Northern Iowa isn't ranked.
So if the mid-level SEC teams are, in your words "hardly anymore of a sack of dogshit than any of the mid-tier Big Ten teams", then I guess the SEC isn't that much better than the Big 10.
Actually I'm saying that a Florida victory over a 3-4 Arkansas team with three losses to ranked teams is hardly less legitimate than an Iowa victory over a 4-4 Michigan State team that's lost to three unranked teams and had half its wins come against Montana State and Northwestern, no matter how "gritty" said win was. I'm also saying that the fact that the Big Ten hasn't had a winning bowl record since 2002 while the SEC hasn't had a Losing one since that same year probably makes the SEC better. Or the fact that it has a 60% winning % in bowl games since 1995 vs. 45% is probably a decent sample size proving the Big Ten inferior to the SEC. Or the fact that four of the last six national champions have been SEC teams (with two of those championships being blowouts of the outright Big Ten champion) kinda adds credence to that fact. But go ahead and twist my words because you know Iowa is better since their opponents have a better winning % since Wisconsin can beat Wofford.
Quote from: SKO on October 26, 2009, 05:06:01 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 26, 2009, 04:58:03 PM
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Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 26, 2009, 04:47:56 PM
Quote from: Cillit Bang on October 26, 2009, 04:33:26 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 26, 2009, 04:30:13 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 26, 2009, 04:28:42 PM
Iowa has played only one sub-.500 team -- Arkansas State -- and the Hawkeyes' opponents have a .633 winning percentage (38-22) that is by far the best of any team in ranked in the AP top 10
But that doesn't seem to matter for some reason.
And it's always funny how the SEC pole smokers talk about how tough their league is right up until one of their schools gets beat in a bowl game. Then it's just "they only beat a 6th place team."
I understand some of your point but are you really trying to say that Big Ten is as good as the SEC? Because you're smoking some awesome shit if you are.
My point is that people like to pile on the Big 10 because it supposedly sucks yet Florida gets to play sacks of shit like Arkansas, Mississippi State and Vanderbilt. Not to mention its dogshit non-conference schedule - Charleston Southern, Troy, Florida International and the shittiest team FSU has fielded in 30 years.
Meanwhile, Iowa's played a ranked FCS team and two BCS conference teams and gets to run a road conference schedule of Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan State and Ohio State. And they don't get to play Illinois.
If Iowa runs the table they would most certainly deserve to be in the national championship game ahead of a one-loss SEC team.
Vanderbilt went 7-6 last year and finished ahead of the South Carolina team the Hawkeyes beat. Arkansas is 3-4 with 3 losses to ranked teams. They are hardly anymore of a sack of dogshit than any of the mid-tier Big Ten teams Iowa gets to play. And Northern Iowa isn't ranked.
So if the mid-level SEC teams are, in your words "hardly anymore of a sack of dogshit than any of the mid-tier Big Ten teams", then I guess the SEC isn't that much better than the Big 10.
Actually I'm saying that a Florida victory over a 3-4 Arkansas team with three losses to ranked teams is hardly less legitimate than an Iowa victory over a 4-4 Michigan State team that's lost to three unranked teams and had half its wins come against Montana State and Northwestern, no matter how "gritty" said win was. I'm also saying that the fact that the Big Ten hasn't had a winning bowl record since 2002 while the SEC hasn't had a Losing one since that same year probably makes the SEC better. Or the fact that it has a 60% winning % in bowl games since 1995 vs. 45% is probably a decent sample size proving the Big Ten inferior to the SEC. Or the fact that four of the last six national champions have been SEC teams (with two of those championships being blowouts of the outright Big Ten champion) kinda adds credence to that fact. But go ahead and twist my words because you know Iowa is better since their opponents have a better winning % since Wisconsin can beat Wofford.
Yeah but the Big Ten is in the midwest where real folks live. And it gets cold sometimes. And I like Iowa a lot so that counts.
Sincerely,
Poopie McDumbass
The Red Wolves are better than their record indicates!
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Iowa has played only one sub-.500 team -- Arkansas State -- and the Hawkeyes' opponents have a .633 winning percentage (38-22) that is by far the best of any team in ranked in the AP top 10
But that doesn't seem to matter for some reason.
And it's always funny how the SEC pole smokers talk about how tough their league is right up until one of their schools gets beat in a bowl game. Then it's just "they only beat a 6th place team."
I understand some of your point but are you really trying to say that Big Ten is as good as the SEC? Because you're smoking some awesome shit if you are.
My point is that people like to pile on the Big 10 because it supposedly sucks yet Florida gets to play sacks of shit like Arkansas, Mississippi State and Vanderbilt. Not to mention its dogshit non-conference schedule - Charleston Southern, Troy, Florida International and the shittiest team FSU has fielded in 30 years.
Meanwhile, Iowa's played a ranked FCS team and two BCS conference teams and gets to run a road conference schedule of Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan State and Ohio State. And they don't get to play Illinois.
If Iowa runs the table they would most certainly deserve to be in the national championship game ahead of a one-loss SEC team.
Vanderbilt went 7-6 last year and finished ahead of the South Carolina team the Hawkeyes beat. Arkansas is 3-4 with 3 losses to ranked teams. They are hardly anymore of a sack of dogshit than any of the mid-tier Big Ten teams Iowa gets to play. And Northern Iowa isn't ranked.
So if the mid-level SEC teams are, in your words "hardly anymore of a sack of dogshit than any of the mid-tier Big Ten teams", then I guess the SEC isn't that much better than the Big 10.
Actually I'm saying that a Florida victory over a 3-4 Arkansas team with three losses to ranked teams is hardly less legitimate than an Iowa victory over a 4-4 Michigan State team that's lost to three unranked teams and had half its wins come against Montana State and Northwestern, no matter how "gritty" said win was. I'm also saying that the fact that the Big Ten hasn't had a winning bowl record since 2002 while the SEC hasn't had a Losing one since that same year probably makes the SEC better. Or the fact that it has a 60% winning % in bowl games since 1995 vs. 45% is probably a decent sample size proving the Big Ten inferior to the SEC. Or the fact that four of the last six national champions have been SEC teams (with two of those championships being blowouts of the outright Big Ten champion) kinda adds credence to that fact. But go ahead and twist my words because you know Iowa is better since their opponents have a better winning % since Wisconsin can beat Wofford.
SEC! SEC! SEC!
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Iowa has played only one sub-.500 team -- Arkansas State -- and the Hawkeyes' opponents have a .633 winning percentage (38-22) that is by far the best of any team in ranked in the AP top 10
But that doesn't seem to matter for some reason.
And it's always funny how the SEC pole smokers talk about how tough their league is right up until one of their schools gets beat in a bowl game. Then it's just "they only beat a 6th place team."
I understand some of your point but are you really trying to say that Big Ten is as good as the SEC? Because you're smoking some awesome shit if you are.
My point is that people like to pile on the Big 10 because it supposedly sucks yet Florida gets to play sacks of shit like Arkansas, Mississippi State and Vanderbilt. Not to mention its dogshit non-conference schedule - Charleston Southern, Troy, Florida International and the shittiest team FSU has fielded in 30 years.
Meanwhile, Iowa's played a ranked FCS team and two BCS conference teams and gets to run a road conference schedule of Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan State and Ohio State. And they don't get to play Illinois.
If Iowa runs the table they would most certainly deserve to be in the national championship game ahead of a one-loss SEC team.
Vanderbilt went 7-6 last year and finished ahead of the South Carolina team the Hawkeyes beat. Arkansas is 3-4 with 3 losses to ranked teams. They are hardly anymore of a sack of dogshit than any of the mid-tier Big Ten teams Iowa gets to play. And Northern Iowa isn't ranked.
So if the mid-level SEC teams are, in your words "hardly anymore of a sack of dogshit than any of the mid-tier Big Ten teams", then I guess the SEC isn't that much better than the Big 10.
Actually I'm saying that a Florida victory over a 3-4 Arkansas team with three losses to ranked teams is hardly less legitimate than an Iowa victory over a 4-4 Michigan State team that's lost to three unranked teams and had half its wins come against Montana State and Northwestern, no matter how "gritty" said win was. I'm also saying that the fact that the Big Ten hasn't had a winning bowl record since 2002 while the SEC hasn't had a Losing one since that same year probably makes the SEC better. Or the fact that it has a 60% winning % in bowl games since 1995 vs. 45% is probably a decent sample size proving the Big Ten inferior to the SEC. Or the fact that four of the last six national champions have been SEC teams (with two of those championships being blowouts of the outright Big Ten champion) kinda adds credence to that fact. But go ahead and twist my words because you know Iowa is better since their opponents have a better winning % since Wisconsin can beat Wofford.
SEC! SEC! SEC!
Guh. I'm not even an SEC partisan. I like Florida because back when I was 8 Illinois really blew (believe it or not), and Florida kicked a lot of ass with Danny Wuerrffel and had the same team colors as Illinois, so I figured it was okay. Plus Florida Spurrier was a diabolical genius, whereas SC Spurrier just looks like he'd rather be golfing. So since then I've been a bandwagon fan of the Gators. But other than that the rest of that conference has obnoxious, redneck fans (ELL ESS YOUUU) and I'd sooner see any Big Ten, Big 12, or PAC 10 team win the title if logic dictated that those teams deserved a shot at it over the SEC champion. But every major statistic (beside BCS computer rankings which overrate strength of schedule based on w-l records, as mentioned) is in their favor, and I side with the numbers.
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Iowa has played only one sub-.500 team -- Arkansas State -- and the Hawkeyes' opponents have a .633 winning percentage (38-22) that is by far the best of any team in ranked in the AP top 10
But that doesn't seem to matter for some reason.
And it's always funny how the SEC pole smokers talk about how tough their league is right up until one of their schools gets beat in a bowl game. Then it's just "they only beat a 6th place team."
I understand some of your point but are you really trying to say that Big Ten is as good as the SEC? Because you're smoking some awesome shit if you are.
My point is that people like to pile on the Big 10 because it supposedly sucks yet Florida gets to play sacks of shit like Arkansas, Mississippi State and Vanderbilt. Not to mention its dogshit non-conference schedule - Charleston Southern, Troy, Florida International and the shittiest team FSU has fielded in 30 years.
Meanwhile, Iowa's played a ranked FCS team and two BCS conference teams and gets to run a road conference schedule of Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan State and Ohio State. And they don't get to play Illinois.
If Iowa runs the table they would most certainly deserve to be in the national championship game ahead of a one-loss SEC team.
Vanderbilt went 7-6 last year and finished ahead of the South Carolina team the Hawkeyes beat. Arkansas is 3-4 with 3 losses to ranked teams. They are hardly anymore of a sack of dogshit than any of the mid-tier Big Ten teams Iowa gets to play. And Northern Iowa isn't ranked.
So if the mid-level SEC teams are, in your words "hardly anymore of a sack of dogshit than any of the mid-tier Big Ten teams", then I guess the SEC isn't that much better than the Big 10.
Actually I'm saying that a Florida victory over a 3-4 Arkansas team with three losses to ranked teams is hardly less legitimate than an Iowa victory over a 4-4 Michigan State team that's lost to three unranked teams and had half its wins come against Montana State and Northwestern, no matter how "gritty" said win was. I'm also saying that the fact that the Big Ten hasn't had a winning bowl record since 2002 while the SEC hasn't had a Losing one since that same year probably makes the SEC better. Or the fact that it has a 60% winning % in bowl games since 1995 vs. 45% is probably a decent sample size proving the Big Ten inferior to the SEC. Or the fact that four of the last six national champions have been SEC teams (with two of those championships being blowouts of the outright Big Ten champion) kinda adds credence to that fact. But go ahead and twist my words because you know Iowa is better since their opponents have a better winning % since Wisconsin can beat Wofford.
SEC! SEC! SEC!
Guh. I'm not even an SEC partisan. I like Florida because back when I was 8 Illinois really blew (believe it or not), and Florida kicked a lot of ass with Danny Wuerrffel and had the same team colors as Illinois, so I figured it was okay. Plus Florida Spurrier was a diabolical genius, whereas SC Spurrier just looks like he'd rather be golfing. So since then I've been a bandwagon fan of the Gators. But other than that the rest of that conference has obnoxious, redneck fans (ELL ESS YOUUU) and I'd sooner see any Big Ten, Big 12, or PAC 10 team win the title if logic dictated that those teams deserved a shot at it over the SEC champion. But every major statistic (beside BCS computer rankings which overrate strength of schedule based on w-l records, as mentioned) is in their favor, and I side with the numbers.
Fuck Steve Spurrier.
EDIT: I don't really remember why I hate him. My dad told me to for some reason.
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Iowa has played only one sub-.500 team -- Arkansas State -- and the Hawkeyes' opponents have a .633 winning percentage (38-22) that is by far the best of any team in ranked in the AP top 10
But that doesn't seem to matter for some reason.
And it's always funny how the SEC pole smokers talk about how tough their league is right up until one of their schools gets beat in a bowl game. Then it's just "they only beat a 6th place team."
I understand some of your point but are you really trying to say that Big Ten is as good as the SEC? Because you're smoking some awesome shit if you are.
My point is that people like to pile on the Big 10 because it supposedly sucks yet Florida gets to play sacks of shit like Arkansas, Mississippi State and Vanderbilt. Not to mention its dogshit non-conference schedule - Charleston Southern, Troy, Florida International and the shittiest team FSU has fielded in 30 years.
Meanwhile, Iowa's played a ranked FCS team and two BCS conference teams and gets to run a road conference schedule of Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan State and Ohio State. And they don't get to play Illinois.
If Iowa runs the table they would most certainly deserve to be in the national championship game ahead of a one-loss SEC team.
Vanderbilt went 7-6 last year and finished ahead of the South Carolina team the Hawkeyes beat. Arkansas is 3-4 with 3 losses to ranked teams. They are hardly anymore of a sack of dogshit than any of the mid-tier Big Ten teams Iowa gets to play. And Northern Iowa isn't ranked.
So if the mid-level SEC teams are, in your words "hardly anymore of a sack of dogshit than any of the mid-tier Big Ten teams", then I guess the SEC isn't that much better than the Big 10.
Actually I'm saying that a Florida victory over a 3-4 Arkansas team with three losses to ranked teams is hardly less legitimate than an Iowa victory over a 4-4 Michigan State team that's lost to three unranked teams and had half its wins come against Montana State and Northwestern, no matter how "gritty" said win was. I'm also saying that the fact that the Big Ten hasn't had a winning bowl record since 2002 while the SEC hasn't had a Losing one since that same year probably makes the SEC better. Or the fact that it has a 60% winning % in bowl games since 1995 vs. 45% is probably a decent sample size proving the Big Ten inferior to the SEC. Or the fact that four of the last six national champions have been SEC teams (with two of those championships being blowouts of the outright Big Ten champion) kinda adds credence to that fact. But go ahead and twist my words because you know Iowa is better since their opponents have a better winning % since Wisconsin can beat Wofford.
SEC! SEC! SEC!
Guh. I'm not even an SEC partisan. I like Florida because back when I was 8 Illinois really blew (believe it or not), and Florida kicked a lot of ass with Danny Wuerrffel and had the same team colors as Illinois, so I figured it was okay. Plus Florida Spurrier was a diabolical genius, whereas SC Spurrier just looks like he'd rather be golfing. So since then I've been a bandwagon fan of the Gators. But other than that the rest of that conference has obnoxious, redneck fans (ELL ESS YOUUU) and I'd sooner see any Big Ten, Big 12, or PAC 10 team win the title if logic dictated that those teams deserved a shot at it over the SEC champion. But every major statistic (beside BCS computer rankings which overrate strength of schedule based on w-l records, as mentioned) is in their favor, and I side with the numbers.
Fuck Steve Spurrier.
EDIT: I don't really remember why I hate him. My dad told me to for some reason.
I believe you once mentioned that he "stole" Bob Griese's Heisman trophy. I hate South Carolina Spurrier, if only for being the withered husk of Florida Spurrier, who used to pull the most batshit crazy plays out of his ass and make them work every time.
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I believe you once mentioned that he "stole" Bob Griese's Heisman trophy taco. I hate South Carolina Spurrier, if only for being the withered husk of Florida Spurrier, who used to pull the most batshit crazy plays out of his ass and make them work every time.
/suspended
Florida Steve Spurrier was pretty good. After the train wreck the ball coach left with the Redskins, I think he deserves to coach a middle of the pack SEC team for eternity.
And lay off the Badgers on the Wofford scheduling. That was a last minute replacement when VTech backed out of a home and home which was supposed to start this year and I think will take place in 2016. That's how much control you have over scheduling tougher non-conference opponents.
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I believe you once mentioned that he "stole" Bob Griese's Heisman trophy taco. I hate South Carolina Spurrier, if only for being the withered husk of Florida Spurrier, who used to pull the most batshit crazy plays out of his ass and make them work every time.
/suspended
Florida Steve Spurrier was pretty good. After the train wreck the ball coach left with the Redskins, I think he deserves to coach a middle of the pack SEC team for eternity.
And lay off the Badgers on the Wofford scheduling. That was a last minute replacement when VTech backed out of a home and home which was supposed to start this year and I think will take place in 2016. That's how much control you have over scheduling tougher non-conference opponents.
I think he deserves the Congressional Medal of Honor for what he did to the Redskins. Seriously, fuck the Redskins, and every other piece of shit who's ever been associated with that organization.
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I believe you once mentioned that he "stole" Bob Griese's Heisman trophy taco. I hate South Carolina Spurrier, if only for being the withered husk of Florida Spurrier, who used to pull the most batshit crazy plays out of his ass and make them work every time.
/suspended
Florida Steve Spurrier was pretty good. After the train wreck the ball coach left with the Redskins, I think he deserves to coach a middle of the pack SEC team for eternity.
And lay off the Badgers on the Wofford scheduling. That was a last minute replacement when VTech backed out of a home and home which was supposed to start this year and I think will take place in 2016. That's how much control you have over scheduling tougher non-conference opponents.
I think he deserves the Congressional Medal of Honor for what he did to the Redskins. Seriously, fuck the Redskins, and every other piece of shit who's ever been associated with that organization.
I'm a Redskins fan. Can you show us on the doll where they touched you?
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I believe you once mentioned that he "stole" Bob Griese's Heisman trophy taco. I hate South Carolina Spurrier, if only for being the withered husk of Florida Spurrier, who used to pull the most batshit crazy plays out of his ass and make them work every time.
/suspended
Florida Steve Spurrier was pretty good. After the train wreck the ball coach left with the Redskins, I think he deserves to coach a middle of the pack SEC team for eternity.
And lay off the Badgers on the Wofford scheduling. That was a last minute replacement when VTech backed out of a home and home which was supposed to start this year and I think will take place in 2016. That's how much control you have over scheduling tougher non-conference opponents.
I think he deserves the Congressional Medal of Honor for what he did to the Redskins. Seriously, fuck the Redskins, and every other piece of shit who's ever been associated with that organization.
I'm a Redskins fan. Can you show us on the doll where they touched you?
CT spends his downtime campaigning for Native American social justice.
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I believe you once mentioned that he "stole" Bob Griese's Heisman trophy taco. I hate South Carolina Spurrier, if only for being the withered husk of Florida Spurrier, who used to pull the most batshit crazy plays out of his ass and make them work every time.
/suspended
Florida Steve Spurrier was pretty good. After the train wreck the ball coach left with the Redskins, I think he deserves to coach a middle of the pack SEC team for eternity.
And lay off the Badgers on the Wofford scheduling. That was a last minute replacement when VTech backed out of a home and home which was supposed to start this year and I think will take place in 2016. That's how much control you have over scheduling tougher non-conference opponents.
I think he deserves the Congressional Medal of Honor for what he did to the Redskins. Seriously, fuck the Redskins, and every other piece of shit who's ever been associated with that organization.
I'm a Redskins fan. Can you show us on the doll where they touched you?
1986 & 1987.
Never forget.
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I believe you once mentioned that he "stole" Bob Griese's Heisman trophy taco. I hate South Carolina Spurrier, if only for being the withered husk of Florida Spurrier, who used to pull the most batshit crazy plays out of his ass and make them work every time.
/suspended
Florida Steve Spurrier was pretty good. After the train wreck the ball coach left with the Redskins, I think he deserves to coach a middle of the pack SEC team for eternity.
And lay off the Badgers on the Wofford scheduling. That was a last minute replacement when VTech backed out of a home and home which was supposed to start this year and I think will take place in 2016. That's how much control you have over scheduling tougher non-conference opponents.
I think he deserves the Congressional Medal of Honor for what he did to the Redskins. Seriously, fuck the Redskins, and every other piece of shit who's ever been associated with that organization.
I'm a Redskins fan. Can you show us on the doll where they touched you?
1986 & 1987.
Never forget.
Ok, well I can understand that. At least you have a team with a decent QB this season and a legit shot of making the playoffs. Jim Zorn looked like his play sheet was dipped in blotter acid last night.
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I believe you once mentioned that he "stole" Bob Griese's Heisman trophy taco. I hate South Carolina Spurrier, if only for being the withered husk of Florida Spurrier, who used to pull the most batshit crazy plays out of his ass and make them work every time.
/suspended
Florida Steve Spurrier was pretty good. After the train wreck the ball coach left with the Redskins, I think he deserves to coach a middle of the pack SEC team for eternity.
And lay off the Badgers on the Wofford scheduling. That was a last minute replacement when VTech backed out of a home and home which was supposed to start this year and I think will take place in 2016. That's how much control you have over scheduling tougher non-conference opponents.
I think he deserves the Congressional Medal of Honor for what he did to the Redskins. Seriously, fuck the Redskins, and every other piece of shit who's ever been associated with that organization.
I'm a Redskins fan. Can you show us on the doll where they touched you?
1986 & 1987.
Never forget.
Ok, well I can understand that. At least you have a team with a decent QB this season and a legit shot of making the playoffs. Jim Zorn looked like his play sheet was dipped in blotter acid last night.
Wait, wait, are you talking about the Bears?
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I believe you once mentioned that he "stole" Bob Griese's Heisman trophy taco. I hate South Carolina Spurrier, if only for being the withered husk of Florida Spurrier, who used to pull the most batshit crazy plays out of his ass and make them work every time.
/suspended
Florida Steve Spurrier was pretty good. After the train wreck the ball coach left with the Redskins, I think he deserves to coach a middle of the pack SEC team for eternity.
And lay off the Badgers on the Wofford scheduling. That was a last minute replacement when VTech backed out of a home and home which was supposed to start this year and I think will take place in 2016. That's how much control you have over scheduling tougher non-conference opponents.
I think he deserves the Congressional Medal of Honor for what he did to the Redskins. Seriously, fuck the Redskins, and every other piece of shit who's ever been associated with that organization.
I'm a Redskins fan. Can you show us on the doll where they touched you?
1986 & 1987.
Never forget.
(http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/nfl/1999/1101/photo/a_time.jpg)
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Iowa has played only one sub-.500 team -- Arkansas State -- and the Hawkeyes' opponents have a .633 winning percentage (38-22) that is by far the best of any team in ranked in the AP top 10
But that doesn't seem to matter for some reason.
And it's always funny how the SEC pole smokers talk about how tough their league is right up until one of their schools gets beat in a bowl game. Then it's just "they only beat a 6th place team."
I understand some of your point but are you really trying to say that Big Ten is as good as the SEC? Because you're smoking some awesome shit if you are.
My point is that people like to pile on the Big 10 because it supposedly sucks yet Florida gets to play sacks of shit like Arkansas, Mississippi State and Vanderbilt. Not to mention its dogshit non-conference schedule - Charleston Southern, Troy, Florida International and the shittiest team FSU has fielded in 30 years.
Meanwhile, Iowa's played a ranked FCS team and two BCS conference teams and gets to run a road conference schedule of Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan State and Ohio State. And they don't get to play Illinois.
If Iowa runs the table they would most certainly deserve to be in the national championship game ahead of a one-loss SEC team.
Vanderbilt went 7-6 last year and finished ahead of the South Carolina team the Hawkeyes beat. Arkansas is 3-4 with 3 losses to ranked teams. They are hardly anymore of a sack of dogshit than any of the mid-tier Big Ten teams Iowa gets to play. And Northern Iowa isn't ranked.
So if the mid-level SEC teams are, in your words "hardly anymore of a sack of dogshit than any of the mid-tier Big Ten teams", then I guess the SEC isn't that much better than the Big 10.
Actually I'm saying that a Florida victory over a 3-4 Arkansas team with three losses to ranked teams is hardly less legitimate than an Iowa victory over a 4-4 Michigan State team that's lost to three unranked teams and had half its wins come against Montana State and Northwestern, no matter how "gritty" said win was. I'm also saying that the fact that the Big Ten hasn't had a winning bowl record since 2002 while the SEC hasn't had a Losing one since that same year probably makes the SEC better. Or the fact that it has a 60% winning % in bowl games since 1995 vs. 45% is probably a decent sample size proving the Big Ten inferior to the SEC. Or the fact that four of the last six national champions have been SEC teams (with two of those championships being blowouts of the outright Big Ten champion) kinda adds credence to that fact. But go ahead and twist my words because you know Iowa is better since their opponents have a better winning % since Wisconsin can beat Wofford.
SEC! SEC! SEC!
Guh. I'm not even an SEC partisan. I like Florida because back when I was 8 Illinois really blew (believe it or not), and Florida kicked a lot of ass with Danny Wuerrffel and had the same team colors as Illinois, so I figured it was okay. Plus Florida Spurrier was a diabolical genius, whereas SC Spurrier just looks like he'd rather be golfing. So since then I've been a bandwagon fan of the Gators. But other than that the rest of that conference has obnoxious, redneck fans (ELL ESS YOUUU) and I'd sooner see any Big Ten, Big 12, or PAC 10 team win the title if logic dictated that those teams deserved a shot at it over the SEC champion. But every major statistic (beside BCS computer rankings which overrate strength of schedule based on w-l records, as mentioned) is in their favor, and I side with the numbers.
Fuck Steve Spurrier.
EDIT: I don't really remember why I hate him. My dad told me to for some reason.
I believe you once mentioned that he "stole" Bob Griese's Heisman trophy. I hate South Carolina Spurrier, if only for being the withered husk of Florida Spurrier, who used to pull the most batshit crazy plays out of his ass and make them work every time.
Yeah, that was it.
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I believe you once mentioned that he "stole" Bob Griese's Heisman trophy taco. I hate South Carolina Spurrier, if only for being the withered husk of Florida Spurrier, who used to pull the most batshit crazy plays out of his ass and make them work every time.
/suspended
Florida Steve Spurrier was pretty good. After the train wreck the ball coach left with the Redskins, I think he deserves to coach a middle of the pack SEC team for eternity.
And lay off the Badgers on the Wofford scheduling. That was a last minute replacement when VTech backed out of a home and home which was supposed to start this year and I think will take place in 2016. That's how much control you have over scheduling tougher non-conference opponents.
I think he deserves the Congressional Medal of Honor for what he did to the Redskins. Seriously, fuck the Redskins, and every other piece of shit who's ever been associated with that organization.
I'm a Redskins fan. Can you show us on the doll where they touched you?
1986 & 1987.
Never forget.
(http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/nfl/1999/1101/photo/a_time.jpg)
Sadness.
Quote from: CT III on October 27, 2009, 12:45:05 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 27, 2009, 11:43:22 AM
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Quote from: World B Free on October 27, 2009, 10:12:38 AM
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I believe you once mentioned that he "stole" Bob Griese's Heisman trophy taco. I hate South Carolina Spurrier, if only for being the withered husk of Florida Spurrier, who used to pull the most batshit crazy plays out of his ass and make them work every time.
/suspended
Florida Steve Spurrier was pretty good. After the train wreck the ball coach left with the Redskins, I think he deserves to coach a middle of the pack SEC team for eternity.
And lay off the Badgers on the Wofford scheduling. That was a last minute replacement when VTech backed out of a home and home which was supposed to start this year and I think will take place in 2016. That's how much control you have over scheduling tougher non-conference opponents.
I think he deserves the Congressional Medal of Honor for what he did to the Redskins. Seriously, fuck the Redskins, and every other piece of shit who's ever been associated with that organization.
I'm a Redskins fan. Can you show us on the doll where they touched you?
1986 & 1987.
Never forget.
(http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/nfl/1999/1101/photo/a_time.jpg)
Sadness.
I cried a little when I posted it.
Quote from: Tony on October 27, 2009, 01:07:24 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 27, 2009, 12:45:05 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 27, 2009, 11:43:22 AM
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Quote from: World B Free on October 27, 2009, 10:12:38 AM
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I believe you once mentioned that he "stole" Bob Griese's Heisman trophy taco. I hate South Carolina Spurrier, if only for being the withered husk of Florida Spurrier, who used to pull the most batshit crazy plays out of his ass and make them work every time.
/suspended
Florida Steve Spurrier was pretty good. After the train wreck the ball coach left with the Redskins, I think he deserves to coach a middle of the pack SEC team for eternity.
And lay off the Badgers on the Wofford scheduling. That was a last minute replacement when VTech backed out of a home and home which was supposed to start this year and I think will take place in 2016. That's how much control you have over scheduling tougher non-conference opponents.
I think he deserves the Congressional Medal of Honor for what he did to the Redskins. Seriously, fuck the Redskins, and every other piece of shit who's ever been associated with that organization.
I'm a Redskins fan. Can you show us on the doll where they touched you?
1986 & 1987.
Never forget.
(http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/nfl/1999/1101/photo/a_time.jpg)
Sadness.
I cried a little when I posted it. attended the previous game against Seattke, which was his last regular season game and they were honoring him pre-game
big brother called me a homo'd.
An interesting blog post about the problem with the BCS computer rankings having Iowa at #1 since it rules out margin of victory. http://bravesandbirds.blogspot.com/2009/10/this-is-what-you-get-for-being.html
Yeah, because encouraging teams to run up the score in hopes of securing a higher ranking is the sportsman-way to do things.
Quote from: Dave B on October 28, 2009, 01:37:32 PM
Yeah, because encouraging teams to run up the score in hopes of securing a higher ranking is the sportsman-way to do things.
Who cares?
So who should care about how much a team beats another team by (other than gamblers)?
As a football official, I can attest that a majority of our problems happen when another team is perceived to be "running up the score". I've seen near brawls between opposing coaches, cheap shots by players, and other problems that occur when a team piles it on. Plus it only serves as future motivation for the other team. Good coaches know when to call off the dogs. Running up the score is a chicken-shit thing to do on the field, but if all anyone pays attention to is the numbers on a paper, then I guess to them it would be no big deal.
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2009, 01:39:14 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 28, 2009, 01:37:32 PM
Yeah, because encouraging teams to run up the score in hopes of securing a higher ranking is the sportsman-way to do things.
Who cares?
Because it's not entertaining to watch Goliath pummel David. A win against a small school doesn't prove anything no matter how many points they score.
Quote from: Dave B on October 28, 2009, 02:01:51 PM
So who should care about how much a team beats another team by (other than gamblers)?
As a football official, I can attest that a majority of our problems happen when another team is perceived to be "running up the score". I've seen near brawls between opposing coaches, cheap shots by players, and other problems that occur when a team piles it on. Plus it only serves as future motivation for the other team. Good coaches know when to call off the dogs. Running up the score is a chicken-shit thing to do on the field, but if all anyone pays attention to is the numbers on a paper, then I guess to them it would be no big deal.
I wish Weis would run up a score rather than just his cholesterol count. HEY-O!
Quote from: Tony on October 28, 2009, 02:03:24 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2009, 01:39:14 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 28, 2009, 01:37:32 PM
Yeah, because encouraging teams to run up the score in hopes of securing a higher ranking is the sportsman-way to do things.
Who cares?
Because it's not entertaining to watch Goliath pummel David. A win against a small school doesn't prove anything no matter how many points they score.
Yep, why should Florida get bonus points for humiliating Florida International while somebody else is penalized for a close victory over a conference rival.
Quote from: Dave B on October 28, 2009, 02:01:51 PM
So who should care about how much a team beats another team by ...?
Anyone who's interested in figuring out who the best team is. I understand the concerns about running up the score, but margin of victory is useful in determining how good a team is. You really think that Iowa's two-point win over Michigan should be counted the same as if they would have won by 24?
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 28, 2009, 02:51:19 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 28, 2009, 02:03:24 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2009, 01:39:14 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 28, 2009, 01:37:32 PM
Yeah, because encouraging teams to run up the score in hopes of securing a higher ranking is the sportsman-way to do things.
Who cares?
Because it's not entertaining to watch Goliath pummel David. A win against a small school doesn't prove anything no matter how many points they score.
Yep, why should Florida get bonus points for humiliating Florida International while somebody else is penalized for a close victory over a conference rival.
Can Iowa get bonus points for not even playing Illinois?
The BCS, as always, is a pile of shit.
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2009, 02:52:04 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 28, 2009, 02:01:51 PM
So who should care about how much a team beats another team by ...?
Anyone who's interested in figuring out who the best team is. I understand the concerns about running up the score, but margin of victory is useful in determining how good a team is. You really think that Iowa's two-point win over Michigan should be counted the same as if they would have won by 24?
No, but at a certain point it is ridiculous. Maybe all wins by 20 or more points should count the same. That way solid victories register, but there is no incentive to humiliate the losing team.
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2009, 02:52:04 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 28, 2009, 02:01:51 PM
So who should care about how much a team beats another team by ...?
Anyone who's interested in figuring out who the best team is. I understand the concerns about running up the score, but margin of victory is useful in determining how good a team is. You really think that Iowa's two-point win over Michigan should be counted the same as if they would have won by 24?
Um, yeah.
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2009, 02:52:04 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 28, 2009, 02:01:51 PM
So who should care about how much a team beats another team by ...?
Anyone who's interested in figuring out who the best team is. I understand the concerns about running up the score, but margin of victory is useful in determining how good a team is. You really think that Iowa's two-point win over Michigan should be counted the same as if they would have won by 24?
This creates a secondary issue too in that it then affects future schedule.
The early non-conference schedule goes to shit when you start factoring in the win differential (or point differential or whatever it's called).
Quote from: Tony on October 28, 2009, 02:57:08 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2009, 02:52:04 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 28, 2009, 02:01:51 PM
So who should care about how much a team beats another team by ...?
Anyone who's interested in figuring out who the best team is. I understand the concerns about running up the score, but margin of victory is useful in determining how good a team is. You really think that Iowa's two-point win over Michigan should be counted the same as if they would have won by 24?
No, but at a certain point it is ridiculous. Maybe all wins by 20 or more points should count the same. That way solid victories register, but there is no incentive to humiliate the losing team.
I would think they ought to be able to have a system that counted Margin of Victory and its relationship to how good the team is.
But really, why worry about this? The only thing that should matter is scraping the dumbass BCS and getting a fucking playoff. It's simple to do:
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 07, 2008, 10:01:06 PM
Well, regardless, I'll still proclaim my dissatisfaction until a playoff is installed. A decent way to do this would be to set a strict 11 game schedule. Get rid of the conference championship games. Have the season be 12 weeks. One bye-week. Starts on the first week of September. Based off of what I looked at, it looks like the season would be done many years with one week of November left. If there's a problem, start on the last weekend of August. That one week of November and the first week of December will have the first two rounds of a 16 team playoff. Then have a break so the "student-athletes" don't have their finals weeks' fucked. After Christmas, have your final two weeks for the championship. You can easily name all these playoff games with names of 15 of the current bowls. As for the other 19 bowls, they can still be played. Currently, the EagleBank Bowl, the magicJack Bowl, etc. mean nothing as to the national title scene, so there is no reason, these can't be played on the side. One tweak I wouldn't mind is that it got extended to a 24 team playoff with a first week of play-in games. Only one extra week required.
One contention that I've heard some people say is that someone still gets snubbed. That's true. I do say this though. I'd rather argue over #16-#17 or #24-#25 than #2-#3. I think that anyone would rather agree that they'd prefer to see someone like Northwester, or Ole Miss get snubbed for a national title chance than Texas. It's much more reasonable that way.
Quote from: IrishYeti on October 28, 2009, 03:22:24 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 28, 2009, 02:57:08 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2009, 02:52:04 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 28, 2009, 02:01:51 PM
So who should care about how much a team beats another team by ...?
Anyone who's interested in figuring out who the best team is. I understand the concerns about running up the score, but margin of victory is useful in determining how good a team is. You really think that Iowa's two-point win over Michigan should be counted the same as if they would have won by 24?
No, but at a certain point it is ridiculous. Maybe all wins by 20 or more points should count the same. That way solid victories register, but there is no incentive to humiliate the losing team.
I would think they ought to be able to have a system that counted Margin of Victory and its relationship to how good the team is.
But really, why worry about this? The only thing that should matter is scraping the dumbass BCS and getting a fucking playoff. It's simple to do:
Quote from: IrishYeti on December 07, 2008, 10:01:06 PM
Well, regardless, I'll still proclaim my dissatisfaction until a playoff is installed. A decent way to do this would be to set a strict 11 game schedule. Get rid of the conference championship games. Have the season be 12 weeks. One bye-week. Starts on the first week of September. Based off of what I looked at, it looks like the season would be done many years with one week of November left. If there's a problem, start on the last weekend of August. That one week of November and the first week of December will have the first two rounds of a 16 team playoff. Then have a break so the "student-athletes" don't have their finals weeks' fucked. After Christmas, have your final two weeks for the championship. You can easily name all these playoff games with names of 15 of the current bowls. As for the other 19 bowls, they can still be played. Currently, the EagleBank Bowl, the magicJack Bowl, etc. mean nothing as to the national title scene, so there is no reason, these can't be played on the side. One tweak I wouldn't mind is that it got extended to a 24 team playoff with a first week of play-in games. Only one extra week required.
One contention that I've heard some people say is that someone still gets snubbed. That's true. I do say this though. I'd rather argue over #16-#17 or #24-#25 than #2-#3. I think that anyone would rather agree that they'd prefer to see someone like Northwester, or Ole Miss get snubbed for a national title chance than Texas. It's much more reasonable that way.
Or we could just watch pro football.
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2009, 02:52:04 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 28, 2009, 02:01:51 PM
So who should care about how much a team beats another team by ...?
Anyone who's interested in figuring out who the best team is. I understand the concerns about running up the score, but margin of victory is useful in determining how good a team is. You really think that Iowa's two-point win over Michigan should be counted the same as if they would have won by 24?
Yeah, Iowa should get bonus points for needing to block two Northern Iowa field goals to win in the first week of the season.
Quote from: Andy on October 28, 2009, 03:38:59 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2009, 02:52:04 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 28, 2009, 02:01:51 PM
So who should care about how much a team beats another team by ...?
Anyone who's interested in figuring out who the best team is. I understand the concerns about running up the score, but margin of victory is useful in determining how good a team is. You really think that Iowa's two-point win over Michigan should be counted the same as if they would have won by 24?
Yeah, Iowa should get bonus points for needing to block two Northern Iowa field goals to win in the first week of the season.
The correct answer is: They should get bonus points because The Ghost Of Douche Rosello likes them a lot and fuck Florida that's why.
Quote from: IrishYeti on October 28, 2009, 03:22:24 PM
But really, why worry about this? The only thing that should matter is scraping the dumbass BCS and getting a fucking playoff. It's simple to do:
Don't you get it? The whole SEASON is a playoff!
Quote from: Andy on October 28, 2009, 03:38:59 PM
Yeah, Iowa should get bonus points for needing to block two Northern Iowa field goals to win in the first week of the season.
Iowa should get bonus points for hosting Northern Illinois a few years ago.
I feel dumber for having read this thread. And I say that as someone who probably read like 200 pages of the Primary/General Election Clusterfucks without batting an eye.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 28, 2009, 04:05:17 PM
Quote from: IrishYeti on October 28, 2009, 03:22:24 PM
But really, why worry about this? The only thing that should matter is scraping the dumbass BCS and getting a fucking playoff. It's simple to do:
Don't you get it? The whole SEASON is a playoff!
Except the fact that most of the best teams play like 3 teams that are worth a shit during their 12 game season.
Quote from: MAD on October 27, 2009, 09:37:02 PM
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I believe you once mentioned that he "stole" Bob Griese's Heisman trophy taco. I hate South Carolina Spurrier, if only for being the withered husk of Florida Spurrier, who used to pull the most batshit crazy plays out of his ass and make them work every time.
/suspended
Florida Steve Spurrier was pretty good. After the train wreck the ball coach left with the Redskins, I think he deserves to coach a middle of the pack SEC team for eternity.
And lay off the Badgers on the Wofford scheduling. That was a last minute replacement when VTech backed out of a home and home which was supposed to start this year and I think will take place in 2016. That's how much control you have over scheduling tougher non-conference opponents.
I think he deserves the Congressional Medal of Honor for what he did to the Redskins. Seriously, fuck the Redskins, and every other piece of shit who's ever been associated with that organization.
I'm a Redskins fan. Can you show us on the doll where they touched you?
1986 & 1987.
Never forget.
(http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/nfl/1999/1101/photo/a_time.jpg)
Sadness.
I cried a little when I posted it. attended the previous game against Seattke, which was his last regular season game and they were honoring him pre-game
big brother called me a homo'd.
Awesome. Steve Spurrier talk always ends with something horrible like Walter Payton weighing 130 pounds and ever still the practical joker. And Huey tears up, his brother calls him a homo and etc. Fuck Steve Spurrier.
Actually when the BCS used to factor in margin of victory they didn't count anything past 21 points. So running up the score wasn't that big of a problem. But anything that goes against Iowa should be discounted. There's my caveat. They're gritting it out. They're skating by in a conference that's in a historically bad slump, have no running game, and barely survived Northern Iowa and Arkansas State, but all of that is just a testament to how gritty and Big Ten footbaw they are. And that ALWAYS works in the postseason.
Quote from: SKO on October 28, 2009, 05:51:51 PM
Actually when the BCS used to factor in margin of victory they didn't count anything past 21 points. So running up the score wasn't that big of a problem.
Oh. Well that makes sense.
Quote from: SKO on October 28, 2009, 05:51:51 PM
Actually when the BCS used to factor in margin of victory they didn't count anything past 21 points. So running up the score wasn't that big of a problem. But anything that goes against Iowa should be discounted. There's my caveat. They're gritting it out. They're skating by in a conference that's in a historically bad slump, have no running game, and barely survived Northern Iowa and Arkansas State, but all of that is just a testament to how gritty and Big Ten footbaw they are. And that ALWAYS works in the postseason.
This is the best thing ever written about the Big Ten in the last 10 years. That's a historically bad slump, too.
Quote from: Tony on October 28, 2009, 06:50:48 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 28, 2009, 05:51:51 PM
Actually when the BCS used to factor in margin of victory they didn't count anything past 21 points. So running up the score wasn't that big of a problem.
Oh. Well that makes sense.
SKO never fails to educate.
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Quote from: Dave B on October 26, 2009, 04:28:42 PM
Iowa has played only one sub-.500 team -- Arkansas State -- and the Hawkeyes' opponents have a .633 winning percentage (38-22) that is by far the best of any team in ranked in the AP top 10
But that doesn't seem to matter for some reason.
And it's always funny how the SEC pole smokers talk about how tough their league is right up until one of their schools gets beat in a bowl game. Then it's just "they only beat a 6th place team."
I understand some of your point but are you really trying to say that Big Ten is as good as the SEC? Because you're smoking some awesome shit if you are.
My point is that people like to pile on the Big 10 because it supposedly sucks yet Florida gets to play sacks of shit like Arkansas, Mississippi State and Vanderbilt. Not to mention its dogshit non-conference schedule - Charleston Southern, Troy, Florida International and the shittiest team FSU has fielded in 30 years.
Meanwhile, Iowa's played a ranked FCS team and two BCS conference teams and gets to run a road conference schedule of Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan State and Ohio State. And they don't get to play Illinois.
If Iowa runs the table they would most certainly deserve to be in the national championship game ahead of a one-loss SEC team.
Vanderbilt went 7-6 last year and finished ahead of the South Carolina team the Hawkeyes beat. Arkansas is 3-4 with 3 losses to ranked teams. They are hardly anymore of a sack of dogshit than any of the mid-tier Big Ten teams Iowa gets to play. And Northern Iowa isn't ranked.
So if the mid-level SEC teams are, in your words "hardly anymore of a sack of dogshit than any of the mid-tier Big Ten teams", then I guess the SEC isn't that much better than the Big 10.
Actually I'm saying that a Florida victory over a 3-4 Arkansas team with three losses to ranked teams is hardly less legitimate than an Iowa victory over a 4-4 Michigan State team that's lost to three unranked teams and had half its wins come against Montana State and Northwestern, no matter how "gritty" said win was. I'm also saying that the fact that the Big Ten hasn't had a winning bowl record since 2002 while the SEC hasn't had a Losing one since that same year probably makes the SEC better. Or the fact that it has a 60% winning % in bowl games since 1995 vs. 45% is probably a decent sample size proving the Big Ten inferior to the SEC. Or the fact that four of the last six national champions have been SEC teams (with two of those championships being blowouts of the outright Big Ten champion) kinda adds credence to that fact. But go ahead and twist my words because you know Iowa is better since their opponents have a better winning % since Wisconsin can beat Wofford.
SEC! SEC! SEC!
Guh. I'm not even an SEC partisan. I like Florida because back when I was 8 Illinois really blew (believe it or not), and Florida kicked a lot of ass with Danny Wuerrffel and had the same team colors as Illinois, so I figured it was okay. Plus Florida Spurrier was a diabolical genius, whereas SC Spurrier just looks like he'd rather be golfing. So since then I've been a bandwagon fan of the Gators. But other than that the rest of that conference has obnoxious, redneck fans (ELL ESS YOUUU) and I'd sooner see any Big Ten, Big 12, or PAC 10 team win the title if logic dictated that those teams deserved a shot at it over the SEC champion. But every major statistic (beside BCS computer rankings which overrate strength of schedule based on w-l records, as mentioned) is in their favor, and I side with the numbers.
Yea, Spurrier changed the way football is played in the SEC. It's still weird to read someone actually compliment Spurrier. I am more used to APEX style "Fuck Spurrier".
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I believe you once mentioned that he "stole" Bob Griese's Heisman trophy taco. I hate South Carolina Spurrier, if only for being the withered husk of Florida Spurrier, who used to pull the most batshit crazy plays out of his ass and make them work every time.
/suspended
Florida Steve Spurrier was pretty good. After the train wreck the ball coach left with the Redskins, I think he deserves to coach a middle of the pack SEC team for eternity.
And lay off the Badgers on the Wofford scheduling. That was a last minute replacement when VTech backed out of a home and home which was supposed to start this year and I think will take place in 2016. That's how much control you have over scheduling tougher non-conference opponents.
I think he deserves the Congressional Medal of Honor for what he did to the Redskins. Seriously, fuck the Redskins, and every other piece of shit who's ever been associated with that organization.
I'm a Redskins fan. Can you show us on the doll where they touched you?
World, you seem like a nice guy. I beg you to reconsider your allegiance.
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/10/12/cheap-seats-daily-exclusive-bogus-hogette-declares-war-on-real-hogettes/ (http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/10/12/cheap-seats-daily-exclusive-bogus-hogette-declares-war-on-real-hogettes/)
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I believe you once mentioned that he "stole" Bob Griese's Heisman trophy taco. I hate South Carolina Spurrier, if only for being the withered husk of Florida Spurrier, who used to pull the most batshit crazy plays out of his ass and make them work every time.
/suspended
Florida Steve Spurrier was pretty good. After the train wreck the ball coach left with the Redskins, I think he deserves to coach a middle of the pack SEC team for eternity.
And lay off the Badgers on the Wofford scheduling. That was a last minute replacement when VTech backed out of a home and home which was supposed to start this year and I think will take place in 2016. That's how much control you have over scheduling tougher non-conference opponents.
I think he deserves the Congressional Medal of Honor for what he did to the Redskins. Seriously, fuck the Redskins, and every other piece of shit who's ever been associated with that organization.
I'm a Redskins fan. Can you show us on the doll where they touched you?
1986 & 1987.
Never forget.
(http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/nfl/1999/1101/photo/a_time.jpg)
Sadness.
I cried a little when I posted it. attended the previous game against Seattke, which was his last regular season game and they were honoring him pre-game
big brother called me a homo'd.
Awesome. Steve Spurrier talk always ends with something horrible like Walter Payton weighing 130 pounds and ever still the practical joker. And Huey tears up, his brother calls him a homo and etc. Fuck Steve Spurrier.
Spurrier's awesome. Well, he use-tuh-be(used to be).
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Yeah, because encouraging teams to run up the score in hopes of securing a higher ranking is the sportsman-way to do things.
Who cares?
Because it's not entertaining to watch Goliath pummel David. A win against a small school doesn't prove anything no matter how many points they score.
Yep, why should Florida get bonus points for humiliating Florida International while somebody else is penalized for a close victory over a conference rival.
So, do you think undefeated Iowa would deserve to play in the championship game over undefeated Florida/Alabama and Texas?
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Quote from: Dave B on October 28, 2009, 01:37:32 PM
Yeah, because encouraging teams to run up the score in hopes of securing a higher ranking is the sportsman-way to do things.
Who cares?
Because it's not entertaining to watch Goliath pummel David. A win against a small school doesn't prove anything no matter how many points they score.
Yep, why should Florida get bonus points for humiliating Florida International while somebody else is penalized for a close victory over a conference rival.
So, do you think undefeated Iowa would deserve to play in the championship game over undefeated Florida/Alabama and Texas?
Yes.
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Quote from: Dave B on October 28, 2009, 01:37:32 PM
Yeah, because encouraging teams to run up the score in hopes of securing a higher ranking is the sportsman-way to do things.
Who cares?
Because it's not entertaining to watch Goliath pummel David. A win against a small school doesn't prove anything no matter how many points they score.
Yep, why should Florida get bonus points for humiliating Florida International while somebody else is penalized for a close victory over a conference rival.
So, do you think undefeated Iowa would deserve to play in the championship game over undefeated Florida/Alabama and Texas?
Yes.
Certainly over Texas.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 28, 2009, 08:16:06 PM
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Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2009, 01:39:14 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 28, 2009, 01:37:32 PM
Yeah, because encouraging teams to run up the score in hopes of securing a higher ranking is the sportsman-way to do things.
Who cares?
Because it's not entertaining to watch Goliath pummel David. A win against a small school doesn't prove anything no matter how many points they score.
Yep, why should Florida get bonus points for humiliating Florida International while somebody else is penalized for a close victory over a conference rival.
So, do you think undefeated Iowa would deserve to play in the championship game over undefeated Florida/Alabama and Texas?
Yes.
Certainly over Texas.
Do explain why Iowa should get in over an undefeated team in a tougher conference that went 11-1 last year and defeated one of the BCS Big Ten teams. I eagerly await your response.
Quote from: CT III on October 28, 2009, 08:04:21 PM
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Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2009, 01:39:14 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 28, 2009, 01:37:32 PM
Yeah, because encouraging teams to run up the score in hopes of securing a higher ranking is the sportsman-way to do things.
Who cares?
Because it's not entertaining to watch Goliath pummel David. A win against a small school doesn't prove anything no matter how many points they score.
Yep, why should Florida get bonus points for humiliating Florida International while somebody else is penalized for a close victory over a conference rival.
So, do you think undefeated Iowa would deserve to play in the championship game over undefeated Florida/Alabama and Texas?
Yes.
You're just being contrary!
Quote from: SKO on October 28, 2009, 08:20:53 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 28, 2009, 08:16:06 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 28, 2009, 08:04:21 PM
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Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2009, 01:39:14 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 28, 2009, 01:37:32 PM
Yeah, because encouraging teams to run up the score in hopes of securing a higher ranking is the sportsman-way to do things.
Who cares?
Because it's not entertaining to watch Goliath pummel David. A win against a small school doesn't prove anything no matter how many points they score.
Yep, why should Florida get bonus points for humiliating Florida International while somebody else is penalized for a close victory over a conference rival.
So, do you think undefeated Iowa would deserve to play in the championship game over undefeated Florida/Alabama and Texas?
Yes.
Certainly over Texas.
Do explain why Iowa should get in over an undefeated team in a tougher conference that went 11-1 last year and defeated one of the BCS Big Ten teams. I eagerly await your response.
Come on now. Don't let
him bait you. You're better than that, kid.
Quote from: SKO on October 28, 2009, 08:20:53 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 28, 2009, 08:16:06 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 28, 2009, 08:04:21 PM
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Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2009, 01:39:14 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 28, 2009, 01:37:32 PM
Yeah, because encouraging teams to run up the score in hopes of securing a higher ranking is the sportsman-way to do things.
Who cares?
Because it's not entertaining to watch Goliath pummel David. A win against a small school doesn't prove anything no matter how many points they score.
Yep, why should Florida get bonus points for humiliating Florida International while somebody else is penalized for a close victory over a conference rival.
So, do you think undefeated Iowa would deserve to play in the championship game over undefeated Florida/Alabama and Texas?
Yes.
Certainly over Texas.
Do explain why Iowa should get in over an undefeated team in a tougher conference that went 11-1 last year and defeated one of the BCS Big Ten teams. I eagerly await your response.
Especially a team that would have to play the Big 12 title game, giving them one more victory than Iowa could manage.
Quote from: JD on October 28, 2009, 08:24:41 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 28, 2009, 08:04:21 PM
Quote from: air2300 on October 28, 2009, 08:03:11 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Dave Rosello on October 28, 2009, 02:51:19 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 28, 2009, 02:03:24 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2009, 01:39:14 PM
Quote from: Dave B on October 28, 2009, 01:37:32 PM
Yeah, because encouraging teams to run up the score in hopes of securing a higher ranking is the sportsman-way to do things.
Who cares?
Because it's not entertaining to watch Goliath pummel David. A win against a small school doesn't prove anything no matter how many points they score.
Yep, why should Florida get bonus points for humiliating Florida International while somebody else is penalized for a close victory over a conference rival.
So, do you think undefeated Iowa would deserve to play in the championship game over undefeated Florida/Alabama and Texas?
Yes.
You're just being contrary!
I never could fool you, JD.
Quote from: SKO on October 28, 2009, 08:20:53 PM
Do explain why Iowa should get in over an undefeated team in a tougher conference that went 11-1 last year and defeated one of the BCS Big Ten teams. I eagerly await your response.
Wait: Last year? WTF does last year have to do with anything?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 28, 2009, 09:42:15 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 28, 2009, 08:20:53 PM
Do explain why Iowa should get in over an undefeated team in a tougher conference that went 11-1 last year and defeated one of the BCS Big Ten teams. I eagerly await your response.
Wait: Last year? WTF does last year have to do with anything?
Quite a bit in college football, actually. When you have a large group of returning players, like Texas does, from a team that went 11-1, like Texas did, that beat a Big Ten team in a bowl game, which Texas did, and then starts the next season at #2 and is undefeated, that places them ahead of an upstart team in a weak conference, like Iowa. If they blew this year, then yes, last year wouldn't matter, but since they've basically picked up from where they left off that weighs in as part of the polling process. In a land with a playoff that wouldn't matter, but to act like it doesn't matter in college football is downright foolish. Besides, if Texas finishes undefeated Iowa won't make it to the title game. The team that plays most recently (i.e., the team from a conference with a title game), will always earn more BCS points. Also, last year, and in fact every year since 2002, the last time the Big Ten had a winning season in postseason play, contibutes to the evidence for the downward trend in the competitiveness of the Big Ten. Also, I realize it wasn't you, but GoDR or Dave B used the win over South Carolina as proof that Iowa could handle a faster SEC opponent, so I figured turnabout was fair play. I'm not saying last year is more important than this year, but all things being equal (well, not all things, just # of losses), Texas recent performance will be a factor, and you're downright thick if you don't think that.
Not to mention they've played only one more sub .500 team than Iowa has, they play in a stronger conference, and they have a much larger margin of victory (beating their opponents by an avg. of 28 ppg vs. Iowa's 8 ppg), and while the BCS computers may not take that into account, the pollsters will. They score more points than Iowa (41.8 vs 23.6), they allow fewer points (13.5 to 14.8), they outgain them by almost 100 ypg (438 to 342), and they allow fewer yards (237 to 296). The only argument Iowa has in its favor is the winning % of it's opponents, but as I've said, the big variable in that is the strength of the conferences. So yeah, other than past performance, conference strength, and that every major statistical category favors Texas, plus the fact that an undefeated Texas would have 13 wins instead of 12, Iowa should Certainly be ahead of them for national title contention.
DPD- And while I'm at it, I broke down Iowa's fabled opponents' winning %, and if you look at their opponents records against FBS schools, that winning % drops down to .577. If you take a look at their records against schools from the 6 BCS conferences that drops down to .500. So it's not exactly a fucking gauntlet.
And as for Texas vs. Iowa, or more appropriately the Big Ten vs. the Big 12:
Big Ten: 3 ranked teams (#7 Iowa, #12 Penn State, #17 Ohio State)
Big 12: 3 ranked teams (#3 Texas, #13 Oklahoma State, #22 Oklahoma)
Record vs. BCS opponents from other conferences:
Big Ten: 3-6 (.333%)
Big 12: 4-7 (.363%)
Current # of Teams with Winning Record:
Big Ten: 6 (Iowa, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Northwestern)
Big 12: 10 (Texas, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Kansas State, Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, Iowa State)
Bowls Record Last Year:
Big Ten: 1-6, 0-2 BCS, 0-3 vs. Big 12
Big 12: 4-3, 1-1 BCS, 3-0 vs. Big 10
Since 2002 (the last time the Big Ten had a winning postseason record)
Big Ten: 15-28 (.348%)
Big 12: 23-23 (.500%)
Since 2002, BCS Bowl Game Records:
Big Ten: 3-8 (.273%)
Big 12: 4-5 (.444%)
Head to Head, Big Ten vs. Big 12 in Bowl Games Since 2002:
9-3 in favor of the Big 12, with a 2-1 advantage over the Big Ten in BCS matchups.
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 08:28:49 AM
Record vs. BCS opponents from other conferences:
Big Ten: 3-6 (.333%)
Big 12: 4-7 (.363%)
(the head to head is 1-0 Big 12, but I won't count that against you since it was Mizzou-Ill)
Maybe I misunderstood, but doesn't Iowa's 35-3 win over Iowa State in Ames count as a head to head matchup?
Quote from: BigDrinky on October 29, 2009, 08:36:46 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 08:28:49 AM
Record vs. BCS opponents from other conferences:
Big Ten: 3-6 (.333%)
Big 12: 4-7 (.363%)
(the head to head is 1-0 Big 12, but I won't count that against you since it was Mizzou-Ill)
Maybe I misunderstood, but doesn't Iowa's 35-3 win over Iowa State in Ames count as a head to head matchup?
It does, and I counted in when composing each team's w-l against other BCS conferences, I just missed it when I was looking at this year's head to head, so yeah, it's 1-1, with the two losers being Illinois and Iowa State. I'm sure both conferences would ask that you not take that as representative of the conference as a whole.
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 08:39:54 AM
Quote from: BigDrinky on October 29, 2009, 08:36:46 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 08:28:49 AM
Record vs. BCS opponents from other conferences:
Big Ten: 3-6 (.333%)
Big 12: 4-7 (.363%)
(the head to head is 1-0 Big 12, but I won't count that against you since it was Mizzou-Ill)
Maybe I misunderstood, but doesn't Iowa's 35-3 win over Iowa State in Ames count as a head to head matchup?
It does, and I counted in when composing each team's w-l against other BCS conferences, I just missed it when I was looking at this year's head to head, so yeah, it's 1-1, with the two losers being Illinois and Iowa State. I'm sure both conferences would ask that you not take that as representative of the conference as a whole.
Hmph. You tried to sneak that one by them but it didn't work. They're watching you. LIKE A HAWK, SON!
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 29, 2009, 08:45:42 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 08:39:54 AM
Quote from: BigDrinky on October 29, 2009, 08:36:46 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 08:28:49 AM
Record vs. BCS opponents from other conferences:
Big Ten: 3-6 (.333%)
Big 12: 4-7 (.363%)
(the head to head is 1-0 Big 12, but I won't count that against you since it was Mizzou-Ill)
Maybe I misunderstood, but doesn't Iowa's 35-3 win over Iowa State in Ames count as a head to head matchup?
It does, and I counted in when composing each team's w-l against other BCS conferences, I just missed it when I was looking at this year's head to head, so yeah, it's 1-1, with the two losers being Illinois and Iowa State. I'm sure both conferences would ask that you not take that as representative of the conference as a whole.
Hmph. You tried to sneak that one by them but it didn't work. They're watching you. LIKE A HAWK, SON!
I also made a typo when saying the Big 12 was 2-0 against the Big Ten in bowls last year. They were 3-0. I did count it right in the overall, so still a 9-3 Big 12 advantage.
Iowa is the Baldwins of Oasis.
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 09:06:05 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 29, 2009, 08:45:42 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 08:39:54 AM
Quote from: BigDrinky on October 29, 2009, 08:36:46 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 08:28:49 AM
Record vs. BCS opponents from other conferences:
Big Ten: 3-6 (.333%)
Big 12: 4-7 (.363%)
(the head to head is 1-0 Big 12, but I won't count that against you since it was Mizzou-Ill)
Maybe I misunderstood, but doesn't Iowa's 35-3 win over Iowa State in Ames count as a head to head matchup?
It does, and I counted in when composing each team's w-l against other BCS conferences, I just missed it when I was looking at this year's head to head, so yeah, it's 1-1, with the two losers being Illinois and Iowa State. I'm sure both conferences would ask that you not take that as representative of the conference as a whole.
Hmph. You tried to sneak that one by them but it didn't work. They're watching you. LIKE A HAWK, SON!
I also made a typo when saying the Big 12 was 2-0 against the Big Ten in bowls last year. They were 3-0. I did count it right in the overall, so still a 9-3 Big 12 advantage.
Yeah. Again:
Last year, SKO.
LAST year.
Quote from: BH on October 29, 2009, 09:17:27 AM
Iowa is the Baldwins of Oasis.
Really? I thought they were the Offices of the Modern Families?
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 29, 2009, 09:30:44 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 09:06:05 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 29, 2009, 08:45:42 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 08:39:54 AM
Quote from: BigDrinky on October 29, 2009, 08:36:46 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 08:28:49 AM
Record vs. BCS opponents from other conferences:
Big Ten: 3-6 (.333%)
Big 12: 4-7 (.363%)
(the head to head is 1-0 Big 12, but I won't count that against you since it was Mizzou-Ill)
Maybe I misunderstood, but doesn't Iowa's 35-3 win over Iowa State in Ames count as a head to head matchup?
It does, and I counted in when composing each team's w-l against other BCS conferences, I just missed it when I was looking at this year's head to head, so yeah, it's 1-1, with the two losers being Illinois and Iowa State. I'm sure both conferences would ask that you not take that as representative of the conference as a whole.
Hmph. You tried to sneak that one by them but it didn't work. They're watching you. LIKE A HAWK, SON!
I also made a typo when saying the Big 12 was 2-0 against the Big Ten in bowls last year. They were 3-0. I did count it right in the overall, so still a 9-3 Big 12 advantage.
Yeah. Again: Last year, SKO. LAST year.
Right. Now that Iowa's on top, this conference is legit, and the years of data which point to them sucking eggs can be thrown out. In fact, the conference has clearly improved so much that Iowa's gritty wins over lesser opponents should count like ten times more than the complete dominance Texas has shown in nearly every game this season. 64-7 over UTEP? Any schlep could do that, and it's sure as hell not classy (nevermind that UTEP beat Houston, a ranked team, the next weekend, they suck), but I gotta tell ya, 24-21 over Arkansas State? The mark of greatness is winning the close ones. GO HAWKEYES!
Man, SKO has a pretty strong anti-Iowa obsession going. You'd think he was going to team up with Deon Thomas and knock off Bruce Pearl.
Nobody here has described their schedule as a " fucking gauntlet". In fact, I hate the fact that Iowa State winning is helping their opponents' winning percentage. I'd just as soon see them go 0-for. It's pretty much mandated that they play the Cyclowns annually. And ISU boosts their ticket prices to something like $90 for that game in the years they host Iowa, and force ticket buyers for that game to also purchase a ticket for a November game against a shitty Big 12 opponent. So Iowa is basically subsidizing their football program. Same with UNI, who I'm sure gets a pretty good pay-out to drive a couple of hours south.
That said, if Iowa somehow pulls off a win at Ohio State and doesn't stumble at home against Indiana, Northwestern, or Minnesota, that makes them 12-0. And if the other stuff plays out, an undefeated Big 10 team is pretty impressive.
Quote from: Dave B on October 29, 2009, 09:39:43 AM
Man, SKO has a pretty strong anti-Iowa obsession going. You'd think he was going to team up with Deon Thomas and knock off Bruce Pearl.
Nobody here has described their schedule as a " fucking gauntlet". In fact, I hate the fact that Iowa State winning is helping their opponents' winning percentage. I'd just as soon see them go 0-for. It's pretty much mandated that they play the Cyclowns annually. And ISU boosts their ticket prices to something like $90 for that game in the years they host Iowa, and force ticket buyers for that game to also purchase a ticket for a November game against a shitty Big 12 opponent. So Iowa is basically subsidizing their football program. Same with UNI, who I'm sure gets a pretty good pay-out to drive a couple of hours south.
That said, if Iowa somehow pulls off a win at Ohio State and doesn't stumble at home against Indiana, Northwestern, or Minnesota, that makes them 12-0. And if the other stuff plays out, an undefeated Big 10 team is pretty impressive.
It's true, I hate Iowa. My bias completely discounts all those, like, statistics and stuff. An undefeated team in any conference is pretty impressive, and I'm not saying Iowa's Not a good team. But Texas is better, and a 13-0 Texas team that has demolished competition in a better conference would have Far more merit as a national title team than Iowa.
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 09:06:05 AM
I also made a typo when saying the Big 12 was 2-0 against the Big Ten in bowls last year. They were 3-0. I did count it right in the overall, so still a 9-3 Big 12 advantage.
Last year, the Cubs won 97 games. Should they have gotten credit for that this year?
Maybe Illinois should have the death penalty on them today for football because of Hart Lee Dykes.
Then again, such might not actually be a penalty.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 29, 2009, 09:50:30 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 09:06:05 AM
I also made a typo when saying the Big 12 was 2-0 against the Big Ten in bowls last year. They were 3-0. I did count it right in the overall, so still a 9-3 Big 12 advantage.
Last year, the Cubs won 97 games. Should they have gotten credit for that this year?
Maybe Illinois should have the death penalty on them today for football because of Hart Lee Dykes.
Then again, such might not actually be a penalty.
No, you will just be forced to keep Zook as head coach. That's enough punishment.
What is it with that guy? Great recruiter, but in game coaching? Not so much.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 29, 2009, 09:50:30 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 09:06:05 AM
I also made a typo when saying the Big 12 was 2-0 against the Big Ten in bowls last year. They were 3-0. I did count it right in the overall, so still a 9-3 Big 12 advantage.
Last year, the Cubs won 97 games. Should they have gotten credit for that this year?
Maybe Illinois should have the death penalty on them today for football because of Hart Lee Dykes.
Then again, such might not actually be a penalty.
Alright, fine. I'll just go ahead and repost this part then:
QuoteAnd as for Texas vs. Iowa, or more appropriately the Big Ten vs. the Big 12:
Big Ten: 3 ranked teams (#7 Iowa, #12 Penn State, #17 Ohio State)
Big 12: 3 ranked teams (#3 Texas, #13 Oklahoma State, #22 Oklahoma)
Record vs. BCS opponents from other conferences:
Big Ten: 3-6 (.333%)
Big 12: 4-7 (.363%)
Current # of Teams with Winning Record:
Big Ten: 6 (Iowa, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Northwestern)
Big 12: 10 (Texas, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Kansas State, Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, Iowa State)
and this one:
QuoteNot to mention they've played only one more sub .500 team than Iowa has, they play in a stronger conference, and they have a much larger margin of victory (beating their opponents by an avg. of 28 ppg vs. Iowa's 8 ppg), and while the BCS computers may not take that into account, the pollsters will. They score more points than Iowa (41.8 vs 23.6), they allow fewer points (13.5 to 14.8), they outgain them by almost 100 ypg (438 to 342), and they allow fewer yards (237 to 296). The only argument Iowa has in its favor is the winning % of it's opponents, but as I've said, the big variable in that is the strength of the conferences. So yeah, other than past performance, conference strength, and that every major statistical category favors Texas, plus the fact that an undefeated Texas would have 13 wins instead of 12, Iowa should Certainly be ahead of them for national title contention.
So there, tell me, based just on This year, why Iowa, which would be 12-0 and is behind Texas in every statistical category, should CERTAINLY go to the title game over a 13-0 Texas? Do explain.
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 09:54:14 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 29, 2009, 09:50:30 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 09:06:05 AM
I also made a typo when saying the Big 12 was 2-0 against the Big Ten in bowls last year. They were 3-0. I did count it right in the overall, so still a 9-3 Big 12 advantage.
Last year, the Cubs won 97 games. Should they have gotten credit for that this year?
Maybe Illinois should have the death penalty on them today for football because of Hart Lee Dykes.
Then again, such might not actually be a penalty.
Alright, fine. I'll just go ahead and repost this part then:
QuoteAnd as for Texas vs. Iowa, or more appropriately the Big Ten vs. the Big 12:
Big Ten: 3 ranked teams (#7 Iowa, #12 Penn State, #17 Ohio State)
Big 12: 3 ranked teams (#3 Texas, #13 Oklahoma State, #22 Oklahoma)
Record vs. BCS opponents from other conferences:
Big Ten: 3-6 (.333%)
Big 12: 4-7 (.363%)
Current # of Teams with Winning Record:
Big Ten: 6 (Iowa, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Northwestern)
Big 12: 10 (Texas, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Kansas State, Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, Iowa State)
and this one:
QuoteNot to mention they've played only one more sub .500 team than Iowa has, they play in a stronger conference, and they have a much larger margin of victory (beating their opponents by an avg. of 28 ppg vs. Iowa's 8 ppg), and while the BCS computers may not take that into account, the pollsters will. They score more points than Iowa (41.8 vs 23.6), they allow fewer points (13.5 to 14.8), they outgain them by almost 100 ypg (438 to 342), and they allow fewer yards (237 to 296). The only argument Iowa has in its favor is the winning % of it's opponents, but as I've said, the big variable in that is the strength of the conferences. So yeah, other than past performance, conference strength, and that every major statistical category favors Texas, plus the fact that an undefeated Texas would have 13 wins instead of 12, Iowa should Certainly be ahead of them for national title contention.
So there, tell me, based just on This year, why Iowa, which would be 12-0 and is behind Texas in every statistical category, should CERTAINLY go to the title game over a 13-0 Texas? Do explain.
Because it's fun to read about football teams. And the easiest way to get good material is to poke you with a stick. The Big 12 is a JOKE!
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 09:54:14 AM
So there, tell me, based just on This year, why Iowa, which would be 12-0 and is behind Texas in every statistical category, should CERTAINLY go to the title game over a 13-0 Texas? Do explain.
Because Iowa has beaten more ranked opponents. And most of those were on the road.
Penn State was #5 when played. Wisconsin was #25 when played. Ohio State looks to be in the mid teens when they play them.
Then you note that Arizona is now #22.
That's 4.
Who has Texas played? Oklahoma at home and got a 3 point win. Big whup. That's it.
If Texas wins this week, they have a matching feather for Iowa's Penn State win.
Texas has played TWO road games so far this year: at Wyoming and at Missouri. Not exactly the "fucking gauntlet" of going to Iowa St., Penn St., Wisconsin, and Michigan St. (not to mention a trip to Ohio St. in a few weeks). The Longhorns go to #13 Okie St this week, so that will be a challenge.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 29, 2009, 10:40:21 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 09:54:14 AM
So there, tell me, based just on This year, why Iowa, which would be 12-0 and is behind Texas in every statistical category, should CERTAINLY go to the title game over a 13-0 Texas? Do explain.
Because Iowa has beaten more ranked opponents. And most of those were on the road.
Penn State was #5 when played. Wisconsin was #25 when played. Ohio State looks to be in the mid teens when they play them.
Then you note that Arizona is now #22.
That's 4.
Who has Texas played? Oklahoma at home and got a 3 point win. Big whup. That's it.
If Texas wins this week, they have a matching feather for Iowa's Penn State win.
Should "when played" count? Because I would assume that if they've fallen out of the top 25 then they might just be a bad team and their ranking was previously inflated. I would say looking at their opponents ranking now is better.
Quote from: IrishYeti on October 29, 2009, 10:43:48 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 29, 2009, 10:40:21 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 09:54:14 AM
So there, tell me, based just on This year, why Iowa, which would be 12-0 and is behind Texas in every statistical category, should CERTAINLY go to the title game over a 13-0 Texas? Do explain.
Because Iowa has beaten more ranked opponents. And most of those were on the road.
Penn State was #5 when played. Wisconsin was #25 when played. Ohio State looks to be in the mid teens when they play them.
Then you note that Arizona is now #22.
That's 4.
Who has Texas played? Oklahoma at home and got a 3 point win. Big whup. That's it.
If Texas wins this week, they have a matching feather for Iowa's Penn State win.
Should "when played" count? Because I would assume that if they've fallen out of the top 25 then they might just be a bad team and their ranking was previously inflated. I would say looking at their opponents ranking now is better.
And does being ranked #25 mean something when you barely beat NIU at home? Wisconsin fucking blows.
Quote from: Slack-E on October 29, 2009, 10:44:55 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on October 29, 2009, 10:43:48 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 29, 2009, 10:40:21 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 09:54:14 AM
So there, tell me, based just on This year, why Iowa, which would be 12-0 and is behind Texas in every statistical category, should CERTAINLY go to the title game over a 13-0 Texas? Do explain.
Because Iowa has beaten more ranked opponents. And most of those were on the road.
Penn State was #5 when played. Wisconsin was #25 when played. Ohio State looks to be in the mid teens when they play them.
Then you note that Arizona is now #22.
That's 4.
Who has Texas played? Oklahoma at home and got a 3 point win. Big whup. That's it.
If Texas wins this week, they have a matching feather for Iowa's Penn State win.
Should "when played" count? Because I would assume that if they've fallen out of the top 25 then they might just be a bad team and their ranking was previously inflated. I would say looking at their opponents ranking now is better.
And does being ranked #25 mean something when you barely beat NIU at home? Wisconsin fucking blows.
Addressing the fact that the rankings suck is probably something I should have touched, too.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 29, 2009, 10:40:21 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 09:54:14 AM
So there, tell me, based just on This year, why Iowa, which would be 12-0 and is behind Texas in every statistical category, should CERTAINLY go to the title game over a 13-0 Texas? Do explain.
Because Iowa has beaten more ranked opponents. And most of those were on the road.
Penn State was #5 when played. Wisconsin was #25 when played. Ohio State looks to be in the mid teens when they play them.
Then you note that Arizona is now #22.
That's 4.
Who has Texas played? Oklahoma at home and got a 3 point win. Big whup. That's it.
If Texas wins this week, they have a matching feather for Iowa's Penn State win.
When played? Well hell, lets start counting rankings from arbitrary places in the season. Oklahoma was #3 to start the year, and Texas beat them at a neutral site. Texas Tech was at #21 for a while, Missouri was #24 for a while, so you add all that up and suddenly they've played the same number of ranked teams. Also, this whole argument has been if an undefeated, 12-0 Iowa team in a weaker conference should play the national title game over a 13-0, undefeated Texas team. There's no rational argument that can be made for that. If Iowa really wanted to look like a national title contender, they could have beaten patsies like UNI or Arkansas State better than 17-16 or 24-21. The fact of the matter is that Texas has absolutely dominated in games it should have dominated, and has only looked unimpressive against Oklahoma, and believe me, if you're defending Iowa, "they only beat Oklahoma by 3 points!" is sure as hell Not the argument you want to make, because believe it or not a 3 point win over Oklahoma at a neutral site is more impressive than a 3 point home win over Arkansas State.
Quote from: IrishYeti on October 29, 2009, 10:46:35 AM
Addressing the fact that the rankings suck is probably something I should have touched, too.
Agreed. Humans vote passions. Let's just use data and impartial computers.
Anyone know where we could get that data?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 29, 2009, 10:51:18 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on October 29, 2009, 10:46:35 AM
Addressing the fact that the rankings suck is probably something I should have touched, too.
Agreed. Humans vote passions. Let's just use data and impartial computers.
Anyone know where we could get that data?
SKO
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 29, 2009, 10:51:18 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on October 29, 2009, 10:46:35 AM
Addressing the fact that the rankings suck is probably something I should have touched, too.
Agreed. Humans vote passions. Let's just use data and impartial computers.
Anyone know where we could get that data?
Except impartial computers aren't impartial when humans decide only Certain data can be put into them. Like, say that data isn't allowed to include things like points scored vs. points allowed, which is a decent factor in determining a team's abilities, and things get a bit sketchier.
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 10:54:31 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 29, 2009, 10:51:18 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on October 29, 2009, 10:46:35 AM
Addressing the fact that the rankings suck is probably something I should have touched, too.
Agreed. Humans vote passions. Let's just use data and impartial computers.
Anyone know where we could get that data?
Except impartial computers aren't impartial when humans decide only Certain data can be put into them. Like, say that data isn't allowed to include things like points scored vs. points allowed, which is a decent factor in determining a team's abilities, and things get a bit sketchier.
DPD- and say the last six times those impartial computers have placed Big Ten teams in the BCS, and the last two times they've let them into the national title game, they've been 0-6. THE KOMPUTARS ARE ALWAYS RITE!
I look forward to the day when the institution of a college football playoff system finally brings an end all this bloodshed.
Playoffs will solve EVERYTHING.
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 10:50:54 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 29, 2009, 10:40:21 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 09:54:14 AM
So there, tell me, based just on This year, why Iowa, which would be 12-0 and is behind Texas in every statistical category, should CERTAINLY go to the title game over a 13-0 Texas? Do explain.
Because Iowa has beaten more ranked opponents. And most of those were on the road.
Penn State was #5 when played. Wisconsin was #25 when played. Ohio State looks to be in the mid teens when they play them.
Then you note that Arizona is now #22.
That's 4.
Who has Texas played? Oklahoma at home and got a 3 point win. Big whup. That's it.
If Texas wins this week, they have a matching feather for Iowa's Penn State win.
When played? Well hell, lets start counting rankings from arbitrary places in the season. Oklahoma was #3 to start the year, and Texas beat them at a neutral site. Texas Tech was at #21 for a while, Missouri was #24 for a while, so you add all that up and suddenly they've played the same number of ranked teams. Also, this whole argument has been if an undefeated, 12-0 Iowa team in a weaker conference should play the national title game over a 13-0, undefeated Texas team. There's no rational argument that can be made for that. If Iowa really wanted to look like a national title contender, they could have beaten patsies like UNI or Arkansas State better than 17-16 or 24-21. The fact of the matter is that Texas has absolutely dominated in games it should have dominated, and has only looked unimpressive against Oklahoma, and believe me, if you're defending Iowa, "they only beat Oklahoma by 3 points!" is sure as hell Not the argument you want to make, because believe it or not a 3 point win over Oklahoma at a neutral site is more impressive than a 3 point home win over Arkansas State.
At least Chuck was talking about stuff that happened THIS year. You were dredging up shit from LAST year earlier.
Quote from: Dave B on October 29, 2009, 11:04:10 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 10:50:54 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 29, 2009, 10:40:21 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 09:54:14 AM
So there, tell me, based just on This year, why Iowa, which would be 12-0 and is behind Texas in every statistical category, should CERTAINLY go to the title game over a 13-0 Texas? Do explain.
Because Iowa has beaten more ranked opponents. And most of those were on the road.
Penn State was #5 when played. Wisconsin was #25 when played. Ohio State looks to be in the mid teens when they play them.
Then you note that Arizona is now #22.
That's 4.
Who has Texas played? Oklahoma at home and got a 3 point win. Big whup. That's it.
If Texas wins this week, they have a matching feather for Iowa's Penn State win.
When played? Well hell, lets start counting rankings from arbitrary places in the season. Oklahoma was #3 to start the year, and Texas beat them at a neutral site. Texas Tech was at #21 for a while, Missouri was #24 for a while, so you add all that up and suddenly they've played the same number of ranked teams. Also, this whole argument has been if an undefeated, 12-0 Iowa team in a weaker conference should play the national title game over a 13-0, undefeated Texas team. There's no rational argument that can be made for that. If Iowa really wanted to look like a national title contender, they could have beaten patsies like UNI or Arkansas State better than 17-16 or 24-21. The fact of the matter is that Texas has absolutely dominated in games it should have dominated, and has only looked unimpressive against Oklahoma, and believe me, if you're defending Iowa, "they only beat Oklahoma by 3 points!" is sure as hell Not the argument you want to make, because believe it or not a 3 point win over Oklahoma at a neutral site is more impressive than a 3 point home win over Arkansas State.
At least Chuck was talking about stuff that happened THIS year. You were dredging up shit from LAST year earlier.
Yeah, well I got back on fucking track. Use one god damn statistic outside of opponent winning %, which I've broken down, and compute rankings which aren't allowed to use points allowed or points scored and thus really are just repeating the same line about Iowa's "strength of schedule." Ohio State was the computers' #1 in 2006 and 2007 because they ran roughshod through a weak Big Ten. They then got outscored 79-38 in national title games against one loss teams from a stronger conference. Also, those computer rankings will favor Texas if they go undefeated and win the Big 12 title game, because in 2006 Michigan ranked Ahead of Florida for the #2 spot, as both had one loss, but as Michigan sat idle and Florida won the SEC championship, the computers vaulted them ahead, because the majority of the "computer rankings" come Solely from win-loss and opponents' win-loss.
USC is better than Iowa or Texas.
Cincinnati probably is too.
Oswego.
Owaneco
Quote from: Dave B on October 29, 2009, 09:39:43 AM
In fact, I hate the fact that Iowa State winning is helping their opponents' winning percentage. I'd just as soon see them go 0-for. It's pretty much mandated that they play the Cyclowns annually. And ISU boosts their ticket prices to something like $90 for that game in the years they host Iowa, and force ticket buyers for that game to also purchase a ticket for a November game against a shitty Big 12 opponent. So Iowa is basically subsidizing their football program. Same with UNI, who I'm sure gets a pretty good pay-out to drive a couple of hours south.
Yeah, like such a mythical beast exists.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 29, 2009, 11:53:41 AM
USC is better than Iowa or Texas.
Cincinnati probably is too.
That may be so. Cinci's problem is the same as Iowa's though. Weak conference, no conference title game. USC isn't undefeated, so they won't vault either Iowa or Texas unless they lose. This argument was Supposed to be "undefeated at the end of the regular season Iowa vs. undefeated at the end of the regular season Texas," but it's devolved into "Texas hasn't played anyone right now and Iowa's tough schedule has somehow made it so they can't beat anybody convincingly, therefore Iowa's close wins count more than Texas' giant wins, and go Hawkeyes!"
Quote from: PenFoe on October 29, 2009, 11:53:41 AM
USC is better than Iowa or Texas.
Cincinnati probably is too.
Those may be true- but that starts the argument, are you looking at which team is
best, or which is most
deserving? That seems to be the main component of the Iowa argument. I could argue that an undefeated Big 10 team
deserves a chance at the national title, but I'd never argue that (in this case) they were better on a neutral field than LSU or USC or Northern Iowa.
Quote from: Ivy6 on October 29, 2009, 12:41:25 PM
Those may be true- but that starts the argument, are you looking at which team is best, or which is most deserving? That seems to be the main component of the Iowa argument. I could argue that an undefeated Big 10 team deserves a chance at the national title, but I'd never argue that (in this case) they were better on a neutral field than LSU or USC or Northern Iowa.
Yeah. They are only better than UNI in Iowa City and LSU in Orlando.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 29, 2009, 12:44:38 PM
Quote from: Ivy6 on October 29, 2009, 12:41:25 PM
Those may be true- but that starts the argument, are you looking at which team is best, or which is most deserving? That seems to be the main component of the Iowa argument. I could argue that an undefeated Big 10 team deserves a chance at the national title, but I'd never argue that (in this case) they were better on a neutral field than LSU or USC or Northern Iowa.
Yeah. They are only better than UNI in Iowa City and LSU in Orlando.
Now we're arguing about 2005.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 29, 2009, 12:44:38 PM
Quote from: Ivy6 on October 29, 2009, 12:41:25 PM
Those may be true- but that starts the argument, are you looking at which team is best, or which is most deserving? That seems to be the main component of the Iowa argument. I could argue that an undefeated Big 10 team deserves a chance at the national title, but I'd never argue that (in this case) they were better on a neutral field than LSU or USC or Northern Iowa.
Yeah. They are only better than UNI in Iowa City and LSU in Orlando.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 28, 2009, 09:42:15 PM
Wait: Last year2005? WTF does last year 2005 have to do with anything?
I'm assuming you are kidding.
Edit: Slak has less to do today than me
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 29, 2009, 12:44:38 PM
Quote from: Ivy6 on October 29, 2009, 12:41:25 PM
Those may be true- but that starts the argument, are you looking at which team is best, or which is most deserving? That seems to be the main component of the Iowa argument. I could argue that an undefeated Big 10 team deserves a chance at the national title, but I'd never argue that (in this case) they were better on a neutral field than LSU or USC or Northern Iowa.
Yeah. They are only better than UNI in Iowa City and LSU in Orlando.
God fucking damnit. I did not want to root for Ohio State but look what Chuck is going to make me do. Fuck Iowa.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 29, 2009, 12:46:14 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 29, 2009, 12:44:38 PM
Quote from: Ivy6 on October 29, 2009, 12:41:25 PM
Those may be true- but that starts the argument, are you looking at which team is best, or which is most deserving? That seems to be the main component of the Iowa argument. I could argue that an undefeated Big 10 team deserves a chance at the national title, but I'd never argue that (in this case) they were better on a neutral field than LSU or USC or Northern Iowa.
Yeah. They are only better than UNI in Iowa City and LSU in Orlando.
God fucking damnit. I did not want to root for Ohio State but look what Chuck is going to make me do. Fuck Iowa.
I can't stand Texas or Iowa. Screw them both.
Quote from: Slack-E on October 29, 2009, 12:45:23 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 29, 2009, 12:44:38 PM
Quote from: Ivy6 on October 29, 2009, 12:41:25 PM
Those may be true- but that starts the argument, are you looking at which team is best, or which is most deserving? That seems to be the main component of the Iowa argument. I could argue that an undefeated Big 10 team deserves a chance at the national title, but I'd never argue that (in this case) they were better on a neutral field than LSU or USC or Northern Iowa.
Yeah. They are only better than UNI in Iowa City and LSU in Orlando.
Now we're arguing about 2005.
Ivy beat me too it, but let's focus on some Chucktradictions in this thread:
A)Iowa is better than Texas, because they beat teams that are ranked (or were ranked at the time) by abitrary, biased human pollsters. That makes Iowa's case stronger than Texas.
II) Woah, slow the fuck down, who cares if the every human pollster has Texas ahead of Iowa, only the BCS computers matter, abitrary rankings mean nothing.
3)I want non-biased, rational evidence
X) Fuck all of your statistics that show Texas ahead of Iowa in offensive and defensive ppg, as well as offensive and defensive ypg, Iowa beat ranked teams.
12) Last year doesn't matter, but I'm gonna use a bowl game from 2005 as evidence that Iowa can beat 2009 LSU.
G) Texas' 3 point win against Oklahoma on a neutral site is no big "whup," but Iowa's 1 pt and 3 point victories over UNI and Arkansas State at home should not be counted against them, because Iowa plays a tougher schedule, or something.
XV) GO HAWKEYES
Quote from: World B Free on October 29, 2009, 12:50:17 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 29, 2009, 12:46:14 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 29, 2009, 12:44:38 PM
Quote from: Ivy6 on October 29, 2009, 12:41:25 PM
Those may be true- but that starts the argument, are you looking at which team is best, or which is most deserving? That seems to be the main component of the Iowa argument. I could argue that an undefeated Big 10 team deserves a chance at the national title, but I'd never argue that (in this case) they were better on a neutral field than LSU or USC or Northern Iowa.
Yeah. They are only better than UNI in Iowa City and LSU in Orlando.
God fucking damnit. I did not want to root for Ohio State but look what Chuck is going to make me do. Fuck Iowa.
I can't stand Texas or Iowa. Screw them both.
This.
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 12:51:05 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on October 29, 2009, 12:45:23 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 29, 2009, 12:44:38 PM
Quote from: Ivy6 on October 29, 2009, 12:41:25 PM
Those may be true- but that starts the argument, are you looking at which team is best, or which is most deserving? That seems to be the main component of the Iowa argument. I could argue that an undefeated Big 10 team deserves a chance at the national title, but I'd never argue that (in this case) they were better on a neutral field than LSU or USC or Northern Iowa.
Yeah. They are only better than UNI in Iowa City and LSU in Orlando.
Now we're arguing about 2005.
Ivy beat me too it, but let's focus on some Chucktradictions in this thread:
A)Iowa is better than Texas, because they beat teams that are ranked (or were ranked at the time) by abitrary, biased human pollsters. That makes Iowa's case stronger than Texas.
II) Woah, slow the fuck down, who cares if the every human pollster has Texas ahead of Iowa, only the BCS computers matter, abitrary rankings mean nothing.
3)I want non-biased, rational evidence
X) Fuck all of your statistics that show Texas ahead of Iowa in offensive and defensive ppg, as well as offensive and defensive ypg, Iowa beat ranked teams.
12) Last year doesn't matter, but I'm gonna use a bowl game from 2005 as evidence that Iowa can beat 2009 LSU.
G) Texas' 3 point win against Oklahoma on a neutral site is no big "whup," but Iowa's 1 pt and 3 point victories over UNI and Arkansas State at home should not be counted against them, because Iowa plays a tougher schedule, or something.
XV) GO HAWKEYES
10.17 (c): Profit!
And if we're really going to beat that old conference strength argument to death, I think there are some SEC fans that might take exception to how strong the Big 10 or Big 12 is right now.
Quote from: Ivy6 on October 29, 2009, 12:46:03 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 28, 2009, 09:42:15 PM
Wait: Last year2005? WTF does last year 2005 have to do with anything?
I'm assuming you are kidding.
But, of course! How the fuck do Joseph Addai and Jamarcus Russell get beat by Winny the Pooh's Sterling Holloway?
Quote from: World B Free on October 29, 2009, 12:55:34 PM
And if we're really going to beat that old conference strength argument to death, I think there are some SEC fans that might take exception to how strong the Big 10 or Big 12 is right now.
Oh that's been covered as well. The only hooligans arguing the Big 10 is stronger than either of those conferences are the only ones whose favorite team would profit from that line of thinking.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 29, 2009, 12:57:16 PM
Quote from: Ivy6 on October 29, 2009, 12:46:03 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 28, 2009, 09:42:15 PM
Wait: Last year2005? WTF does last year 2005 have to do with anything?
I'm assuming you are kidding.
But, of course! How the fuck do Joseph Addai and Jamarcus Russell get beat by Winny the Pooh's Sterling Holloway?
Because neither one of those players turned out to be very good at football. Especially Jalfonso Russoriano.
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 12:57:47 PM
Quote from: World B Free on October 29, 2009, 12:55:34 PM
And if we're really going to beat that old conference strength argument to death, I think there are some SEC fans that might take exception to how strong the Big 10 or Big 12 is right now.
Oh that's been covered as well. The only hooligans arguing the Big 10 is stronger than either of those conferences are the only ones whose favorite team would profit from that line of thinking.
As a Wisconsin alum and Big 10 fan, I'd love for the conference to be strong, but right now it is pretty mediocre. Even though it's Iowa, it is good for the conference to have a high ranked team in the top 25. Lots of football to be played however and those conference championship games are notorious for screwing up the BCS (which I love, the BCS is stupid)
Quote from: World B Free on October 29, 2009, 01:05:07 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 12:57:47 PM
Quote from: World B Free on October 29, 2009, 12:55:34 PM
And if we're really going to beat that old conference strength argument to death, I think there are some SEC fans that might take exception to how strong the Big 10 or Big 12 is right now.
Oh that's been covered as well. The only hooligans arguing the Big 10 is stronger than either of those conferences are the only ones whose favorite team would profit from that line of thinking.
As a Wisconsin alum and Big 10 fan, I'd love for the conference to be strong, but right now it is pretty mediocre. Even though it's Iowa, it is good for the conference to have a high ranked team in the top 25. Lots of football to be played however and those conference championship games are notorious for screwing up the BCS (which I love, the BCS is stupid)
Right. Let's all calm down, relax and enjoy looking forward to Iowa's blowout Rose Bowl loss to USC. All is right in the world after all.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 29, 2009, 01:07:22 PM
Quote from: World B Free on October 29, 2009, 01:05:07 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 12:57:47 PM
Quote from: World B Free on October 29, 2009, 12:55:34 PM
And if we're really going to beat that old conference strength argument to death, I think there are some SEC fans that might take exception to how strong the Big 10 or Big 12 is right now.
Oh that's been covered as well. The only hooligans arguing the Big 10 is stronger than either of those conferences are the only ones whose favorite team would profit from that line of thinking.
As a Wisconsin alum and Big 10 fan, I'd love for the conference to be strong, but right now it is pretty mediocre. Even though it's Iowa, it is good for the conference to have a high ranked team in the top 25. Lots of football to be played however and those conference championship games are notorious for screwing up the BCS (which I love, the BCS is stupid)
Right. Let's all calm down, relax and enjoy looking forward to Iowa's blowout Rose Bowl loss to USC. All is right in the world after all.
That would just remind me of growing up in the '70s and 80's. Nothing to see here.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 29, 2009, 09:50:30 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 09:06:05 AM
I also made a typo when saying the Big 12 was 2-0 against the Big Ten in bowls last year. They were 3-0. I did count it right in the overall, so still a 9-3 Big 12 advantage.
Last year, the Cubs won 97 games. Should they have gotten credit for that this year?
Maybe Illinois should have the death penalty on them today for football because of Hart Lee Dykes.
Then again, such might not actually be a penalty.
You do know that MLB baseball is a pretty different sport than NCAA football, right?
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 29, 2009, 02:18:55 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 29, 2009, 09:50:30 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 09:06:05 AM
I also made a typo when saying the Big 12 was 2-0 against the Big Ten in bowls last year. They were 3-0. I did count it right in the overall, so still a 9-3 Big 12 advantage.
Last year, the Cubs won 97 games. Should they have gotten credit for that this year?
Maybe Illinois should have the death penalty on them today for football because of Hart Lee Dykes.
Then again, such might not actually be a penalty.
You do know that MLB baseball is a pretty different sport than NCAA football, right?
As well as you know that 2008 is pretty different from 2009.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 29, 2009, 02:49:03 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 29, 2009, 02:18:55 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 29, 2009, 09:50:30 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 09:06:05 AM
I also made a typo when saying the Big 12 was 2-0 against the Big Ten in bowls last year. They were 3-0. I did count it right in the overall, so still a 9-3 Big 12 advantage.
Last year, the Cubs won 97 games. Should they have gotten credit for that this year?
Maybe Illinois should have the death penalty on them today for football because of Hart Lee Dykes.
Then again, such might not actually be a penalty.
You do know that MLB baseball is a pretty different sport than NCAA football, right?
As well as you know that 2008 is pretty different from 2009.
Not really. 2008 is just like 2009. I'm sitting around crying in my beer instead of caring about the World Series.
Quote from: ChuckD on October 28, 2009, 04:13:16 PM
I feel dumber for having read this thread. And I say that as someone who probably read like 200 pages of the Primary/General Election Clusterfucks without batting an eye.
Bump.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 29, 2009, 02:57:32 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 29, 2009, 02:49:03 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 29, 2009, 02:18:55 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 29, 2009, 09:50:30 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 09:06:05 AM
I also made a typo when saying the Big 12 was 2-0 against the Big Ten in bowls last year. They were 3-0. I did count it right in the overall, so still a 9-3 Big 12 advantage.
Last year, the Cubs won 97 games. Should they have gotten credit for that this year?
Maybe Illinois should have the death penalty on them today for football because of Hart Lee Dykes.
Then again, such might not actually be a penalty.
You do know that MLB baseball is a pretty different sport than NCAA football, right?
As well as you know that 2008 is pretty different from 2009.
Not really. 2008 is just like 2009. I'm sitting around crying in my beer 9 days earlier in a bar that fucked me over because they didn't tell me they had a private party booked instead of caring about the World Series.
Differented.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 29, 2009, 01:07:22 PM
Quote from: World B Free on October 29, 2009, 01:05:07 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 12:57:47 PM
Quote from: World B Free on October 29, 2009, 12:55:34 PM
And if we're really going to beat that old conference strength argument to death, I think there are some SEC fans that might take exception to how strong the Big 10 or Big 12 is right now.
Oh that's been covered as well. The only hooligans arguing the Big 10 is stronger than either of those conferences are the only ones whose favorite team would profit from that line of thinking.
As a Wisconsin alum and Big 10 fan, I'd love for the conference to be strong, but right now it is pretty mediocre. Even though it's Iowa, it is good for the conference to have a high ranked team in the top 25. Lots of football to be played however and those conference championship games are notorious for screwing up the BCS (which I love, the BCS is stupid)
Right. Let's all calm down, relax and enjoy looking forward to Iowa's blowout Rose Bowl loss to USC. All is right in the world after all.
FINALLY! Somebody brings up something that's not from the past!
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 29, 2009, 02:49:03 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on October 29, 2009, 02:18:55 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 29, 2009, 09:50:30 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2009, 09:06:05 AM
I also made a typo when saying the Big 12 was 2-0 against the Big Ten in bowls last year. They were 3-0. I did count it right in the overall, so still a 9-3 Big 12 advantage.
Last year, the Cubs won 97 games. Should they have gotten credit for that this year?
Maybe Illinois should have the death penalty on them today for football because of Hart Lee Dykes.
Then again, such might not actually be a penalty.
You do know that MLB baseball is a pretty different sport than NCAA football, right?
As well as you know that 2008 is pretty different from 2009.
Sort of. In the early season, part of where a team is ranked is based on how they performed the year before. It takes a while to shake out, but generally the cream rises to the top eventually. I don't really know what that means, but I do know Iowa won't be there at the top at the end. Of the season.
Quote from: Dave B on October 29, 2009, 09:39:43 AM
Man, SKO has a pretty strong anti-Iowa obsession going. You'd think he was going to team up with Deon Thomas and knock off Bruce Pearl.
Now that's a statement that I can support.
Quote from: BC on October 30, 2009, 12:40:58 AM
Quote from: Dave B on October 29, 2009, 09:39:43 AM
Man, SKO has a pretty strong anti-Iowa obsession going. You'd think he was going to team up with Deon Thomas and knock off Bruce Pearl.
Now that's a statement that I can support.
I just don't get how since I am an Illinois fan, and thus biased against Iowa, my argument (despite the cold, rational stats and whatnot) was somehow tainted, but the argument in support of Iowa Wasn't biased, despite the fact that they are Iowa fans and alums.
Here's one for SKO's "margin of victory":
http://thenationalchampionshipissue.blogspot.com/2009/10/rankings-week-8.html
Quote from: SKO on October 30, 2009, 07:26:57 AM
Quote from: BC on October 30, 2009, 12:40:58 AM
Quote from: Dave B on October 29, 2009, 09:39:43 AM
Man, SKO has a pretty strong anti-Iowa obsession going. You'd think he was going to team up with Deon Thomas and knock off Bruce Pearl.
Now that's a statement that I can support.
I just don't get how since I am an Illinois fan, and thus biased against Iowa, my argument (despite the cold, rational stats and whatnot) was somehow tainted, but the argument in support of Iowa Wasn't biased, despite the fact that they are Iowa fans and alums.
You said taint.
Quote from: Dave B on October 30, 2009, 08:03:06 AM
Here's one for SKO's "margin of victory":
http://thenationalchampionshipissue.blogspot.com/2009/10/rankings-week-8.html
He doesn't give or take away any point from Iowa for playing a I-AA opponent in Northern Iowa, but takes away points from Alabama for defeating a shitty I-A opponent in North Texas? I don't see why the win over Northern Iowa, at home, by just 1 pt, doesn't factor in as "negative points", while a thumping of North Texas does. Also he awards more points for road victories, while lessening the value of the Virginia Tech win because it was played at a neutral site. Also, his #13 team in the nation is Central Michigan, so I'm forced to question his methods.
Also, here's an interesting stat:
Here's the points Iowa's scored vs. their opponents (other than UNI, but let the record show they managed just 17 points), and what those opponents have allowed to other BCS schools (not the FCS or the Non-BCS conference cupcakes)
Iowa State- Iowa 35, Others 20.5
Arizona- Iowa 27, Others 29.8
Penn State- Iowa 21 (although 9 of those came from a blocked punt td and a safety), Others 8.5
Arkansas State- Iowa 24, Others 38
Michigan- Iowa 30, Others 32
Wisconsin- Iowa 20, Others 29.7
Michigan State- Iowa 15, Others 23.8
So for the most part, other than the Iowa State game and the Penn State game (both of which were inflated by the turnovers), Iowa has struggled to even meet the scoring averages those defenses are allowing to other BCS schools. They are winning solely by defense and defense alone. How's that going to work when they run into Florida, Alabama, or Texas, all three of which are higher than Iowa in both scoring offense and defense?
Quote from: SKO on October 30, 2009, 08:24:15 AM
How's that going to work when they run into Florida, Alabama, or Texas, all three of which are higher than Iowa in both scoring offense and defense?
Sucks that offense is the whole game.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 30, 2009, 08:26:31 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 30, 2009, 08:24:15 AM
How's that going to work when they run into Florida, Alabama, or Texas, all three of which are higher than Iowa in both scoring offense and defense?
Sucks that offense is the whole game.
Sucks that you can't read, you twit.
DPD- Here's Jeff Sagarin's rankings, which also factor in margin of victory. Iowa's at #4. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt09.htm
Do I subscribe to this? No, he has Texas at #10 and Georgia Tech somehow behind Virginia Tech, despite GT's win over VT. I don't put much faith at all into the computer rankings, as far too often the computer's #1 (2002 Miami, 2005 USC, 2006 Ohio State, 2007 Ohio State) gets the living shit kicked out of them. But my point is I can find a computer ranking saying Iowa isn't #1. MAYB TEH COMPUTERS AREN"T INFAILABUL. And before you thrash Sagarin, he's one of the guys the BCS actually consults.
So you only subscribe to computers that support your cause?
Quote from: Dave B on October 30, 2009, 08:41:55 AM
So you only subscribe to computers that support your cause?
Except that one does support my cause, in that Iowa isn't #1. My argument isn't merely that Texas is better than Iowa, although they are. My argument is that Iowa does not under any circumstance belong in a national title game. In general I don't support any computer rankings. My point is that if you want to use some asshole's random blog for computer rankings, I can find another guy that has his own methodology that doesn't have them at #1. The point is that just because something is compiled on a computer, that doesn't mean there isn't such a thing as human error.
I was on the Iowa bandwagon big time when Chuck Long was leading the troops. And then Ronnie Harmon fumbled 11 times in the Rose Bowl.
Never again.
You can use stats to prove any point.
Quote from: SKO on October 30, 2009, 08:38:55 AM
But my point is I can find a computer ranking saying Iowa isn't #1.
Can you find one where Texas is ahead of Iowa?
Quote from: MAD on October 30, 2009, 08:46:14 AM
I was on the Iowa bandwagon big time when Chuck Long was leading the troops. And then Ronnie Harmon fumbled 11 times in the Rose Bowl.
Never again.
I was at that Rose Bowl. He also threw a halfback-pass about five rows into the stands (quite a feat in that stadium). There is little doubt in my mind that Ronnie Harmon did his part for some reason (Norby Walters) to assure an Iowa loss in that game. He also had some pretty suspicious drops in an NFL playoff game several years later. I generally scoff pretty quickly at conspiracy theories, but Ronnie Harmon and NBA refs deserve a look.
Quote from: SKO on October 30, 2009, 08:45:15 AM
Quote from: Dave B on October 30, 2009, 08:41:55 AM
So you only subscribe to computers that support your cause?
Except that one does support my cause, in that Iowa isn't #1. My argument isn't merely that Texas is better than Iowa, although they are. My argument is that Iowa does not under any circumstance belong in a national title game. In general I don't support any computer rankings. My point is that if you want to use some asshole's random blog for computer rankings, I can find another guy that has his own methodology that doesn't have them at #1. The point is that just because something is compiled on a computer, that doesn't mean there isn't such a thing as human error.
I consult some asshole's random blog for everything I need in life.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 30, 2009, 08:56:46 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 30, 2009, 08:38:55 AM
But my point is I can find a computer ranking saying Iowa isn't #1.
Can you find one where Texas is ahead of Iowa?
I dont' have to, and I don't care. You've gone from using the computers as justification for Iowa deserving a shot at the national title game to using them as justification for Iowa being better than Texas, and as I've said, I don't give a shit about computer rankings when everybody uses a different methodology to compose them and far too often the computer's favorite gets the crap kicked out of them by a one loss team from a different conference that's much stronger (2006 OSU-Florida, 2007 Ohio State LSU). You've decided to use computer rankings as your champion because all of the stupid humans don't have Iowa anywhere near the championship game.At some point those same computers will turn against Iowa when Texas or whoever else from the Big 12 of SEC has to play a few road games and then a conference championship game, and then you'll find someway to dispute the computers.
Why you think your team is somehow the exception to the half decade long string of Big Ten champions that have racked up 10+ wins in a piss poor conference and gotten their asses handed to them in the BCS, I don't know. You'll have to tell me where you see this vast improvement in the Big 10 that suddenly makes Iowa's schedule so daunting, or why that schedule has something to do with them being unable to score consistently against UNI or Arkansas State. The fact is that the only people on this damn fringe messageboard who can't see that the Big 10 sucks, or that Iowa's just the biggest dick at summer camp, are Iowa fans. I'm done. I'll see you back here when Iowa loses at Ohio State or USC skins them alive in the Rose Bowl.
Quote from: Dave B on October 30, 2009, 09:01:04 AM
Quote from: MAD on October 30, 2009, 08:46:14 AM
I was on the Iowa bandwagon big time when Chuck Long was leading the troops. And then Ronnie Harmon fumbled 11 times in the Rose Bowl.
Never again.
I was at that Rose Bowl. He also threw a halfback-pass about five rows into the stands (quite a feat in that stadium). There is little doubt in my mind that Ronnie Harmon did his part for some reason (Norby Walters) to assure an Iowa loss in that game. He also had some pretty suspicious drops in an NFL playoff game several years later. I generally scoff pretty quickly at conspiracy theories, but Ronnie Harmon and NBA refs deserve a look.
I was only 13 and had no proof, but my first thought was that he was throwing the game. Didn't he fumble twice on the goal line?
This whole discussion will be moot after Indiana beats Iowa by two touchdowns tomorrow. Right, TJ?
Quote from: SKO on October 30, 2009, 09:09:17 AM
I dont' have to, and I don't care.
Quitter.
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You've gone from using the computers as justification for Iowa deserving a shot at the national title game to using them as justification for Iowa being better than Texas
Um... If they are better than Texas, and both end up undefeated, they get a shot at the title. The two points are the same.
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and as I've said, I don't give a shit about computer rankings when everybody uses a different methodology to compose them
But they are nearly all saying the same thing despite the different methodologies. That suggests something.
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At some point those same computers will turn against Iowa when Texas or whoever else from the Big 12 of SEC has to play a few road games and then a conference championship game
Let's see how this plays out.
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I'll see you back here when Iowa loses at Ohio State
Which, I've already said many times, is going to happen.
Quote from: MAD on October 30, 2009, 09:12:22 AM
Quote from: Dave B on October 30, 2009, 09:01:04 AM
Quote from: MAD on October 30, 2009, 08:46:14 AM
I was on the Iowa bandwagon big time when Chuck Long was leading the troops. And then Ronnie Harmon fumbled 11 times in the Rose Bowl.
Never again.
I was at that Rose Bowl. He also threw a halfback-pass about five rows into the stands (quite a feat in that stadium). There is little doubt in my mind that Ronnie Harmon did his part for some reason (Norby Walters) to assure an Iowa loss in that game. He also had some pretty suspicious drops in an NFL playoff game several years later. I generally scoff pretty quickly at conspiracy theories, but Ronnie Harmon and NBA refs deserve a look.
I was only 13 and had no proof, but my first thought was that he was throwing the game. Didn't he fumble twice on the goal line?
Yes. And he and his brother sat in the hotel afterward drinking and laughing.
Fucker actually ended up being a Bear for a few games.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 30, 2009, 09:36:42 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 30, 2009, 09:09:17 AM
I dont' have to, and I don't care.
Quitter.
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You've gone from using the computers as justification for Iowa deserving a shot at the national title game to using them as justification for Iowa being better than Texas
Um... If they are better than Texas, and both end up undefeated, they get a shot at the title. The two points are the same.
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and as I've said, I don't give a shit about computer rankings when everybody uses a different methodology to compose them
But they are nearly all saying the same thing despite the different methodologies. That suggests something.
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At some point those same computers will turn against Iowa when Texas or whoever else from the Big 12 of SEC has to play a few road games and then a conference championship game
Let's see how this plays out.
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I'll see you back here when Iowa loses at Ohio State
Which, I've already said many times, is going to happen.
No, an undefeated Iowa will not be ahead, even by the computers, of an undefeated Texas. The computers will favor a 13-0 Texas with an extra neutral site, quality win in the Big 12 Title game over a 12-0 team that sat idle that last week every single time. And in the computer rankings I've seen, Iowa's been as high as #1 or as low as #7. Considering that's the difference between national title game or possibly missing the BCS entirely, I'd hardly say that's "nearly the same thing."
But god damnit. I am done. Stop this. You are an evil, petty little man and I will not be dragged into this any further. I will take this and Soriano's 07-08 seasons to the grave as proof that 10.17(c) is the only infallible axiom on Atheismo's depraved Earth.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 30, 2009, 09:44:59 AM
Quote from: MAD on October 30, 2009, 09:12:22 AM
Quote from: Dave B on October 30, 2009, 09:01:04 AM
Quote from: MAD on October 30, 2009, 08:46:14 AM
I was on the Iowa bandwagon big time when Chuck Long was leading the troops. And then Ronnie Harmon fumbled 11 times in the Rose Bowl.
Never again.
I was at that Rose Bowl. He also threw a halfback-pass about five rows into the stands (quite a feat in that stadium). There is little doubt in my mind that Ronnie Harmon did his part for some reason (Norby Walters) to assure an Iowa loss in that game. He also had some pretty suspicious drops in an NFL playoff game several years later. I generally scoff pretty quickly at conspiracy theories, but Ronnie Harmon and NBA refs deserve a look.
I was only 13 and had no proof, but my first thought was that he was throwing the game. Didn't he fumble twice on the goal line?
Yes. And he and his brother sat in the hotel afterward drinking and laughing.
Fucker actually ended up being a Bear for a few games.
Now that I DON'T remember. Must have been Wannstedtian. I had that era surgically removed from my memory.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 30, 2009, 08:56:46 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 30, 2009, 08:38:55 AM
But my point is I can find a computer ranking saying Iowa isn't #1.
Can you find one where Texas is ahead of Iowa?
Oh, and what the hell. Here you go buddy:
http://www.cfrc.com/Ratings_2009/WK_8.htm
Quote from: SKO on October 30, 2009, 09:49:14 AM
The computers will favor a 13-0 Texas with an extra neutral site, quality win in the Big 12 Title game over a 12-0 team that sat idle that last week every single time.
We shall see.
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And in the computer rankings I've seen, Iowa's been as high as #1 or as low as #7. Considering that's the difference between national title game or possibly missing the BCS entirely, I'd hardly say that's "nearly the same thing."
But always higher than Texas.
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I will take this and Soriano's 07-08 seasons to the grave as proof that 10.17(c) is the only infallible axiom on Atheismo's depraved Earth.
That's your proof?
www.theflatearthsociety.org/
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 30, 2009, 10:13:47 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 30, 2009, 09:49:14 AM
The computers will favor a 13-0 Texas with an extra neutral site, quality win in the Big 12 Title game over a 12-0 team that sat idle that last week every single time.
We shall see.
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And in the computer rankings I've seen, Iowa's been as high as #1 or as low as #7. Considering that's the difference between national title game or possibly missing the BCS entirely, I'd hardly say that's "nearly the same thing."
But always higher than Texas.
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I will take this and Soriano's 07-08 seasons to the grave as proof that 10.17(c) is the only infallible axiom on Atheismo's depraved Earth.
That's your proof?
www.theflatearthsociety.org/
Ahem. Just look one post above your last one. It's that simple, and that's one of the 6 used in the BCS rankings. Now I'm off to class, so this actually Is done.
I still really have no clue how good Iowa's football team is. I'll just let that all play out. But I'm done speculating on one thing. Bob Davie is the worst announcer in sports. He makes Tim McCarver look like John Madden circa 1985. My head is fucking throbbing right now. Oh my goodness gracious me.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 31, 2009, 02:24:27 PM
I still really have no clue how good Iowa's football team is. I'll just let that all play out. But I'm done speculating on one thing. Bob Davie is the worst announcer in sports. He makes Tim McCarver look like John Madden circa 1985. My head is fucking throbbing right now. Oh my goodness gracious me.
+1/LSA/ME TOO/THIS/DITTO
Who's announcing this Illinois game? Because they agree with Chuck and think it's what they're ranking is when they play them. He's in good company apparently.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 31, 2009, 02:24:27 PM
I still really have no clue how good Iowa's football team is. I'll just let that all play out. But I'm done speculating on one thing. Bob Davie is the worst announcer in sports. He makes Tim McCarver look like John Madden circa 1985. My head is fucking throbbing right now. Oh my goodness gracious me.
Chip Caray is still employed as a broadcaster, right?
Had the volume down during the IL/Michigan game.
So why did the officials decide to give Illinois the ball at their own 1? Looked like the Michigan running back fumbled in the endzone and that his lineman recovered it. Even if #52 didn't hang on to the ball, how the hell could they overturn that TD, give IL the ball but not rule it a touchback?
Either way, that game turned on that play.
And the Big 10 blows.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 31, 2009, 05:36:13 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 31, 2009, 02:24:27 PM
I still really have no clue how good Iowa's football team is. I'll just let that all play out. But I'm done speculating on one thing. Bob Davie is the worst announcer in sports. He makes Tim McCarver look like John Madden circa 1985. My head is fucking throbbing right now. Oh my goodness gracious me.
Chip Caray is still employed as a broadcaster, right?
I'd rather hear Chip Caray sing "Moon River" naked with an Audrey Hepburn barbie doll shoved up his ass than one quarter of ball called by Davie. I'm telling you, I'm done. Never, ever again.
Quote from: MAD on October 31, 2009, 07:24:30 PM
Had the volume down during the IL/Michigan game.
So why did the officials decide to give Illinois the ball at their own 1? Looked like the Michigan running back fumbled in the endzone and that his lineman recovered it. Even if #52 didn't hang on to the ball, how the hell could they overturn that TD, give IL the ball but not rule it a touchback?
Either way, that game turned on that play.
And the Big 10 blows.
The Michigan's RB elbow was down at the 1/2 yard line before the ball broke the plane of the goal line.
Quote from: MAD on October 31, 2009, 07:24:30 PM
Had the volume down during the IL/Michigan game.
So why did the officials decide to give Illinois the ball at their own 1? Looked like the Michigan running back fumbled in the endzone and that his lineman recovered it. Even if #52 didn't hang on to the ball, how the hell could they overturn that TD, give IL the ball but not rule it a touchback?
Either way, that game turned on that play.
And the Big 10 blows.
Why in the world would you watch an IL/Mich game this season? You did that to yourself.
Quote from: MAD on October 31, 2009, 07:24:30 PM
Had the volume down during the IL/Michigan game.
So why did the officials decide to give Illinois the ball at their own 1? Looked like the Michigan running back fumbled in the endzone and that his lineman recovered it. Even if #52 didn't hang on to the ball, how the hell could they overturn that TD, give IL the ball but not rule it a touchback?
Either way, that game turned on that play.
And the Big 10 blows.
I was out and for some reason checked the score on my phone. I am shocked by that final I tell you. Shocked. There goes our draft pick.
Quote from: SKO on October 30, 2009, 09:09:17 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 30, 2009, 08:56:46 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 30, 2009, 08:38:55 AM
But my point is I can find a computer ranking saying Iowa isn't #1.
Can you find one where Texas is ahead of Iowa?
I dont' have to, and I don't care. You've gone from using the computers as justification for Iowa deserving a shot at the national title game to using them as justification for Iowa being better than Texas, and as I've said, I don't give a shit about computer rankings when everybody uses a different methodology to compose them and far too often the computer's favorite gets the crap kicked out of them by a one loss team from a different conference that's much stronger (2006 OSU-Florida, 2007 Ohio State LSU). You've decided to use computer rankings as your champion because all of the stupid humans don't have Iowa anywhere near the championship game.At some point those same computers will turn against Iowa when Texas or whoever else from the Big 12 of SEC has to play a few road games and then a conference championship game, and then you'll find someway to dispute the computers.
Why you think your team is somehow the exception to the half decade long string of Big Ten champions that have racked up 10+ wins in a piss poor conference and gotten their asses handed to them in the BCS, I don't know. You'll have to tell me where you see this vast improvement in the Big 10 that suddenly makes Iowa's schedule so daunting, or why that schedule has something to do with them being unable to score consistently against UNI or Arkansas State. The fact is that the only people on this damn fringe messageboard who can't see that the Big 10 sucks, or that Iowa's just the biggest dick at summer camp, are Iowa fans. I'm done. I'll see you back here when Iowa loses at Ohio State or USC skins them alive in the Rose Bowl.
Pitnicking, but LSU was 11-2 in that championship game against Ohio State. So, yeah.
Quote from: Waco Kid on October 31, 2009, 10:11:56 PM
Quote from: MAD on October 31, 2009, 07:24:30 PM
Had the volume down during the IL/Michigan game.
So why did the officials decide to give Illinois the ball at their own 1? Looked like the Michigan running back fumbled in the endzone and that his lineman recovered it. Even if #52 didn't hang on to the ball, how the hell could they overturn that TD, give IL the ball but not rule it a touchback?
Either way, that game turned on that play.
And the Big 10 blows.
The Michigan's RB elbow was down at the 1/2 yard line before the ball broke the plane of the goal line.
Wait--so it was 4th down? I told you that I had the sound down.
Quote from: JD on October 31, 2009, 10:48:16 PM
Quote from: MAD on October 31, 2009, 07:24:30 PM
Had the volume down during the IL/Michigan game.
So why did the officials decide to give Illinois the ball at their own 1? Looked like the Michigan running back fumbled in the endzone and that his lineman recovered it. Even if #52 didn't hang on to the ball, how the hell could they overturn that TD, give IL the ball but not rule it a touchback?
Either way, that game turned on that play.
And the Big 10 blows.
Why in the world would you watch an IL/Mich game this season? You did that to yourself.
I said I had the VOLUME DOWN. I really wasn't that into it. Honest.
Now that Illinois managed to beat Michigan by 24 points, I'm going to subtract that 2 pt win over them In Iowa City from Iowa's "quality win" rack. Oh and Texas beat Oklahoma State 41-14. I suppose that pales in comparison to the tough, gritty, stirring comeback the Hawkeyes had at home against the Steel Curtain of the Indiana Hoosiers.
Question: Why do you advocate something like margin of victory which doesn't necessarily say a whole lot about a win? Why not something like PF/(PA+PF) which would give a much better indicator of the quality/closeness of the win? For instance, Iowa's 18 pt win over Indiana would equate to .6875. If they had beaten Indiana by the same MOV, but done it 21-3, the PF/PA+PF would be .875 indicating a much more dominant victory. I mean, if establishing the quality of the victory is what this is all about, why use something that is so dependent upon the scoring environment as MOV?
Quote from: ChuckD on November 01, 2009, 10:49:46 AM
Question: Why do you advocate something like margin of victory which doesn't necessarily say a whole lot about a win? Why not something like PF/(PA+PF) which would give a much better indicator of the quality/closeness of the win? For instance, Iowa's 18 pt win over Indiana would equate to .6875. If they had beaten Indiana by the same MOV, but done it 21-3, the PF/PA+PF would be .875 indicating a much more dominant victory. I mean, if establishing the quality of the victory is what this is all about, why use something that is so dependent upon the scoring environment as MOV?
Find me a place that compiles that, CD, and I will be happy to. Or figure out what that equates to for the entire top 10 for the season and I'll build you a new cathedral. Honestly I'd be more than willing to use that, even if it somehow makes Iowa look better than the rest of the country. Iowa's not the only team I've had this argument over. I'd like a stat that can be more precise.
Quote from: SKO on November 01, 2009, 11:07:00 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on November 01, 2009, 10:49:46 AM
Question: Why do you advocate something like margin of victory which doesn't necessarily say a whole lot about a win? Why not something like PF/(PA+PF) which would give a much better indicator of the quality/closeness of the win? For instance, Iowa's 18 pt win over Indiana would equate to .6875. If they had beaten Indiana by the same MOV, but done it 21-3, the PF/PA+PF would be .875 indicating a much more dominant victory. I mean, if establishing the quality of the victory is what this is all about, why use something that is so dependent upon the scoring environment as MOV?
Find me a place that compiles that, CD, and I will be happy to. Or figure out what that equates to for the entire top 10 for the season and I'll build you a new cathedral. Honestly I'd be more than willing to use that, even if it somehow makes Iowa look better than the rest of the country. Iowa's not the only team I've had this argument over. I'd like a stat that can be more precise.
MOV is calculated by PF-PA. I assume it would be easy to do PF/(PF+PA), no?
Also, I don't want to dispute that Iowa's not as good as their rating (they aren't), but they weren't stumbling against the "steel curtain of the Hoosiers" so much as they were forced to throw (as they're down to their 4th string HB) against a pretty nasty wind. Check the splits:
QB WIND C A Y TD INT
CHAPPELL TOTAL 23 41 227 2 3
STANZI TOTAL 13 26 337 2 5
CHAPPELL WITH 1,3 7 16 116 0 1
CHAPPELL AGAINST 2,4 16 25 111 2 2
STANZI AGAINST 1,3 4 16 47 0 5
STANZI WITH 2,4 9 10 290 2 0
TOTAL AGAINST 20 41 158 2 7
TOTAL WITH 16 26 406 2 1
Quote from: ChuckD on November 01, 2009, 11:54:49 AM
Also, I don't want to dispute that Iowa's not as good as their rating (they aren't), but they weren't stumbling against the "steel curtain of the Hoosiers" so much as they were forced to throw (as they're down to their 4th string HB) against a pretty nasty wind. Check the splits:
QB WIND C A Y TD INT
CHAPPELL TOTAL 23 41 227 2 3
STANZI TOTAL 13 26 337 2 5
CHAPPELL WITH 1,3 7 16 116 0 1
CHAPPELL AGAINST 2,4 16 25 111 2 2
STANZI AGAINST 1,3 4 16 47 0 5
STANZI WITH 2,4 9 10 290 2 0
TOTAL AGAINST 20 41 158 2 7
TOTAL WITH 16 26 406 2 1
Makes sense.
Too much sense. I don't buy it, math geek.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 31, 2009, 02:24:27 PM
I still really have no clue how good Iowa's football team is. I'll just let that all play out. But I'm done speculating on one thing. Bob Davie is the worst announcer in sports. He makes Tim McCarver look like John Madden circa 1985. My head is fucking throbbing right now. Oh my goodness gracious me.
Are you ready for some FOOTBAW?
So SKO is trying really hard to make this argument complicated, and that's cool because it's good stuff. Is Iowa better than Texas? Probably not. But it's a fun debate.
Like I said at the beginning, I want Iowa to win out. I also want to see Texas and Florida/Alabama win out. Because now, instead of two undefeated teams along with some small conference nobodies, you'll have three undefeated schools from major BCS conferences. It would be awesome to behold the outrage.
That is my wish.
Quote from: Slack-E on November 01, 2009, 06:47:39 PM
So SKO is trying really hard to make this argument complicated, and that's cool because it's good stuff. Is Iowa better than Texas? Probably not. But it's a fun debate.
Like I said at the beginning, I want Iowa to win out. I also want to see Texas and Florida/Alabama win out. Because now, instead of two undefeated teams along with some small conference nobodies, you'll have three undefeated schools from major BCS conferences. It would be awesome to behold the outrage.
That is my wish.
I'm with Slak, I don't care what happens as long as there's lots of outrage.
Quote from: CT III on November 01, 2009, 06:53:57 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on November 01, 2009, 06:47:39 PM
So SKO is trying really hard to make this argument complicated, and that's cool because it's good stuff. Is Iowa better than Texas? Probably not. But it's a fun debate.
Like I said at the beginning, I want Iowa to win out. I also want to see Texas and Florida/Alabama win out. Because now, instead of two undefeated teams along with some small conference nobodies, you'll have three undefeated schools from major BCS conferences. It would be awesome to behold the outrage.
That is my wish.
I'm with Slak, I don't care what happens as long as there's lots of outrage.
There's not going to be any outrage. Any controversy will go away when Iowa loses in the Rose Bowl before Texas and the SEC winner play for the title.
Quote from: Tony on November 01, 2009, 08:16:26 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 01, 2009, 06:53:57 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on November 01, 2009, 06:47:39 PM
So SKO is trying really hard to make this argument complicated, and that's cool because it's good stuff. Is Iowa better than Texas? Probably not. But it's a fun debate.
Like I said at the beginning, I want Iowa to win out. I also want to see Texas and Florida/Alabama win out. Because now, instead of two undefeated teams along with some small conference nobodies, you'll have three undefeated schools from major BCS conferences. It would be awesome to behold the outrage.
That is my wish.
I'm with Slak, I don't care what happens as long as there's lots of outrage.
There's not going to be any outrage. Any controversy will go away when Iowa loses in the Rose Bowl before Texas and the SEC winner play for the title.
I'll be
outraged if there's no outrage.
Quote from: ChuckD on November 01, 2009, 08:26:42 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 01, 2009, 08:16:26 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 01, 2009, 06:53:57 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on November 01, 2009, 06:47:39 PM
So SKO is trying really hard to make this argument complicated, and that's cool because it's good stuff. Is Iowa better than Texas? Probably not. But it's a fun debate.
Like I said at the beginning, I want Iowa to win out. I also want to see Texas and Florida/Alabama win out. Because now, instead of two undefeated teams along with some small conference nobodies, you'll have three undefeated schools from major BCS conferences. It would be awesome to behold the outrage.
That is my wish.
I'm with Slak, I don't care what happens as long as there's lots of outrage.
There's not going to be any outrage. Any controversy will go away when Iowa loses in the Rose Bowl before Texas and the SEC winner play for the title.
I'll be outraged if there's no outrage.
Then I can be outraged that the outraged dare to be outraged over an inherently outrageous system.
Quote from: Slack-E on November 01, 2009, 06:47:39 PM
So SKO is trying really hard to make this argument complicated, and that's cool because it's good stuff. Is Iowa better than Texas? Probably not. But it's a fun debate.
Like I said at the beginning, I want Iowa to win out. I also want to see Texas and Florida/Alabama win out. Because now, instead of two undefeated teams along with some small conference nobodies, you'll have three undefeated schools from major BCS conferences. It would be awesome to behold the outrage.
That is my wish.
My guess is the outrage wouldn't be any different than the first time it happened in 2004.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on November 01, 2009, 09:53:51 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on November 01, 2009, 06:47:39 PM
So SKO is trying really hard to make this argument complicated, and that's cool because it's good stuff. Is Iowa better than Texas? Probably not. But it's a fun debate.
Like I said at the beginning, I want Iowa to win out. I also want to see Texas and Florida/Alabama win out. Because now, instead of two undefeated teams along with some small conference nobodies, you'll have three undefeated schools from major BCS conferences. It would be awesome to behold the outrage.
That is my wish.
My guess is the outrage wouldn't be any different than the first time it happened in 2004.
Yeah but that outrage came from outraged Auburn fans, and they aren't as vocal as Real football fans, like Iowans.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on November 01, 2009, 09:53:51 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on November 01, 2009, 06:47:39 PM
So SKO is trying really hard to make this argument complicated, and that's cool because it's good stuff. Is Iowa better than Texas? Probably not. But it's a fun debate.
Like I said at the beginning, I want Iowa to win out. I also want to see Texas and Florida/Alabama win out. Because now, instead of two undefeated teams along with some small conference nobodies, you'll have three undefeated schools from major BCS conferences. It would be awesome to behold the outrage.
That is my wish.
My guess is the outrage wouldn't be any different than the first time it happened in 2004.
Right but that was some sweet outrage. I've been waiting for five years to rage out. Now is this time.
Who am I kidding - it's never gonna hai.
Quote from: SKO on November 01, 2009, 09:54:51 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on November 01, 2009, 09:53:51 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on November 01, 2009, 06:47:39 PM
So SKO is trying really hard to make this argument complicated, and that's cool because it's good stuff. Is Iowa better than Texas? Probably not. But it's a fun debate.
Like I said at the beginning, I want Iowa to win out. I also want to see Texas and Florida/Alabama win out. Because now, instead of two undefeated teams along with some small conference nobodies, you'll have three undefeated schools from major BCS conferences. It would be awesome to behold the outrage.
That is my wish.
My guess is the outrage wouldn't be any different than the first time it happened in 2004.
Yeah but that outrage came from outraged Auburn fans, and they aren't as vocal as Real football fans, like Iowans.
Good point. Plus, Iowans also know how to use computers so they can get their outrage out in public more easily than Auburn fans can.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on November 02, 2009, 09:41:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 01, 2009, 09:54:51 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on November 01, 2009, 09:53:51 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on November 01, 2009, 06:47:39 PM
So SKO is trying really hard to make this argument complicated, and that's cool because it's good stuff. Is Iowa better than Texas? Probably not. But it's a fun debate.
Like I said at the beginning, I want Iowa to win out. I also want to see Texas and Florida/Alabama win out. Because now, instead of two undefeated teams along with some small conference nobodies, you'll have three undefeated schools from major BCS conferences. It would be awesome to behold the outrage.
That is my wish.
My guess is the outrage wouldn't be any different than the first time it happened in 2004.
Yeah but that outrage came from outraged Auburn fans, and they aren't as vocal as Real football fans, like Iowans.
Good point. Plus, Iowans also know how to use computers so they can get their outrage out in public more easily than Auburn fans can.
Hey...people in Alabama are way better at computers than people in Mississippi.
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Quote from: PenFoe on November 02, 2009, 10:26:26 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on November 02, 2009, 09:41:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 01, 2009, 09:54:51 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on November 01, 2009, 09:53:51 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on November 01, 2009, 06:47:39 PM
So SKO is trying really hard to make this argument complicated, and that's cool because it's good stuff. Is Iowa better than Texas? Probably not. But it's a fun debate.
Like I said at the beginning, I want Iowa to win out. I also want to see Texas and Florida/Alabama win out. Because now, instead of two undefeated teams along with some small conference nobodies, you'll have three undefeated schools from major BCS conferences. It would be awesome to behold the outrage.
That is my wish.
My guess is the outrage wouldn't be any different than the first time it happened in 2004.
Yeah but that outrage came from outraged Auburn fans, and they aren't as vocal as Real football fans, like Iowans.
Good point. Plus, Iowans also know how to use computers so they can get their outrage out in public more easily than Auburn fans can.
Hey...people in Alabama are way better at computers than people in Mississippi.
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#7!!!!
Quote from: Dave B on October 29, 2009, 09:39:43 AM
Man, SKO has a pretty strong anti-Iowa obsession going. You'd think he was going to team up with Deon Thomas and knock off Bruce Pearl.
Nobody here has described their schedule as a " fucking gauntlet". In fact, I hate the fact that Iowa State winning is helping their opponents' winning percentage. I'd just as soon see them go 0-for. It's pretty much mandated that they play the Cyclowns annually. And ISU boosts their ticket prices to something like $90 for that game in the years they host Iowa, and force ticket buyers for that game to also purchase a ticket for a November game against a shitty Big 12 opponent. So Iowa is basically subsidizing their football program. Same with UNI, who I'm sure gets a pretty good pay-out to drive a couple of hours south.
That said, if Iowa somehow pulls off a win at Ohio State and doesn't stumble at home against Indiana, Northwestern, or Minnesota, that makes them 12-0. And if the other stuff plays out, an undefeated Big 10 team is pretty impressive.
So much for those 15 pages'd
I'm not gonna be that guy....
Iowa lost. Chuckles.
So this whole thread was for nothing? Outrage!
Thank you Northwestern for guaranteeing I won't have to watch a shitty Big Ten team in the BCS title game.
Quote from: Slack-E on November 07, 2009, 02:08:02 PM
So this whole thread was for nothing? Outrage!
I want 12.42 minutes of my life back!!!
Quote from: R-V on November 07, 2009, 02:09:16 PM
Thank you Northwestern for guaranteeing I won't have to watch a shitty Big Ten team in the BCS title game.
This.
That Vandendoody is one hell of a backup.
Quote from: R-V on November 07, 2009, 02:09:16 PM
Thank you Northwestern for guaranteeing I won't have to watch a shitty Big Ten team get absolutely shellacked in the BCS title game.
Saving face'd.
Quote from: Slack-E on November 07, 2009, 02:38:08 PM
That Vandendoody is one hell of a backup.
I'm pretty sure that was Jacque Jones.
Quote from: BC on November 07, 2009, 02:09:37 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on November 07, 2009, 02:08:02 PM
So this whole thread was for nothing? Outrage!
I want 12.42 minutes of my life back!!!
You'd have only wasted it.
DPD
Down goes Notre Dame!
Que ANGRY Kermit.
This has to be the end of Charlie, right?
Quote from: CT III on November 07, 2009, 05:11:10 PM
DPD
Down goes Notre Dame!
Que ANGRY Kermit.
Not looking forward to all the Urban to Notre Dame rumors.
Quote from: R-V on November 07, 2009, 02:09:16 PM
Thank you Northwestern for guaranteeing I won't have to watch a shitty Big Ten team in the BCS title game.
I'm pretty sure that wasn't going to happen anyway.
Quote from: MAD on November 07, 2009, 03:54:11 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 07, 2009, 02:09:16 PM
Thank you Northwestern for guaranteeing I won't have to watch a shitty Big Ten team get absolutely shellacked in the BCS title game.
Saving face'd.
Huey will not stand idly by while you IMPLY things, RV.
Quote from: air2300 on November 07, 2009, 05:54:56 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 07, 2009, 05:11:10 PM
DPD
Down goes Notre Dame!
Que ANGRY Kermit.
Not looking forward to all the Urban to Notre Dame rumors.
Didn't Paul Hornung get in all sorts of trouble for talking about that?
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 07, 2009, 08:30:10 PM
Quote from: air2300 on November 07, 2009, 05:54:56 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 07, 2009, 05:11:10 PM
DPD
Down goes Notre Dame!
Que ANGRY Kermit.
Not looking forward to all the Urban to Notre Dame rumors.
Didn't Paul Hornung get in all sorts of trouble for talking about that?
I thought it was because of him saying that ND needs to lower the admission standards so more black athletes can get in.
Quote from: air2300 on November 07, 2009, 10:47:43 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 07, 2009, 08:30:10 PM
Quote from: air2300 on November 07, 2009, 05:54:56 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 07, 2009, 05:11:10 PM
DPD
Down goes Notre Dame!
Que ANGRY Kermit.
Not looking forward to all the Urban to Notre Dame rumors.
Didn't Paul Hornung get in all sorts of trouble for talking about that?
I thought it was because of him saying that ND needs to lower the admission standards so more black athletes can get in.
That's what Apex was refering to.
urban = black
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2009, 05:21:24 PM
This has to be the end of Charlie, right?
God, I hope so. Navy is not a bad team, but losing twice to them at home in three years is unacceptable. And the Urban Meyer rumors are stupid. What coach from a major program would want to leave a good job to coach at Notre Dame right now? At least now there won't be a bunch of ND apologists insisting that they deserve the right to get the shit beat out of them in a BCS game.
FIRE EVERYONE!
Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 08, 2009, 11:37:37 AM
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2009, 05:21:24 PM
This has to be the end of Charlie, right?
God, I hope so. Navy is not a bad team, but losing twice to them at home in three years is unacceptable. And the Urban Meyer rumors are stupid. What coach from a major program would want to leave a good job to coach at Notre Dame right now? At least now there won't be a bunch of ND apologists insisting that they deserve the right to get the shit beat out of them in a BCS game.
FIRE EVERYONE!
Lovie
Quote from: BBM on November 08, 2009, 01:47:26 AM
Quote from: air2300 on November 07, 2009, 10:47:43 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 07, 2009, 08:30:10 PM
Quote from: air2300 on November 07, 2009, 05:54:56 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 07, 2009, 05:11:10 PM
DPD
Down goes Notre Dame!
Que ANGRY Kermit.
Not looking forward to all the Urban to Notre Dame rumors.
Didn't Paul Hornung get in all sorts of trouble for talking about that?
I thought it was because of him saying that ND needs to lower the admission standards so more black athletes can get in.
That's what Apex was refering to.
urban = black
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I'm happy for you, Kerm. I really am. (http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/127811-gruden-to-coach-in-2010?eref=fromSI)
Quote from: IrishYeti on November 12, 2009, 10:13:49 AM
I'm happy for you, Kerm. I really am. (http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/127811-gruden-to-coach-in-2010?eref=fromSI)
If Charlie gets fired and they don't hire Chris Peterson, they should just cancel the football program.
Quote from: IrishYeti on November 12, 2009, 10:13:49 AM
I'm happy for you, Kerm. I really am. (http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/127811-gruden-to-coach-in-2010?eref=fromSI)
I'm pretty much on the "anyone but Weis" bandwagon, at this point. I don't know how Gruden's style would go over with 18-year-old kids, but he really does love ND, so I'm sure the effort would be there. And they'd probably make sweet Chuckie leprechaun dolls.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 12, 2009, 10:26:30 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on November 12, 2009, 10:13:49 AM
I'm happy for you, Kerm. I really am. (http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/127811-gruden-to-coach-in-2010?eref=fromSI)
I'm pretty much on the "anyone but Weis" bandwagon, at this point. I don't know how Gruden's style would go over with 18-year-old kids, but he really does love ND, so I'm sure the effort would be there. And they'd probably make sweet Chuckie leprechaun dolls.
You say that now, but wait until his first recruiting class consists of nothing but quarterbacks.
Quote from: thehawk on November 12, 2009, 10:52:46 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 12, 2009, 10:26:30 AM
Quote from: IrishYeti on November 12, 2009, 10:13:49 AM
I'm happy for you, Kerm. I really am. (http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/127811-gruden-to-coach-in-2010?eref=fromSI)
I'm pretty much on the "anyone but Weis" bandwagon, at this point. I don't know how Gruden's style would go over with 18-year-old kids, but he really does love ND, so I'm sure the effort would be there. And they'd probably make sweet Chuckie leprechaun dolls.
You say that now, but wait until his first recruiting class consists of nothing but quarterbacks.
Here's a little secret: Jon Gruden is fucking terrible at developing players and that's why he ran Tampa Bay into the fucking ground. The only young quarterback he's ever even attempted to develop in his career was Chris Simms, who was drafted against Gruden's wishes (the story goes that on draft day in 2003, when the Bucs took Simms, Gruden charged into the GM's office and screamed "You never fucking draft a quarterback without asking me first.") Had Griese not ruptured his ACL Simms would never have gotten a chance. He's not going to have the time or the patience to develop anybody. The guy's one success at developing, hell, not even that, just improving, a player is Rich Gannon, who was a 34 year old ten year veteran when Gruden got him. If Notre Dame's gonna swallow that idiotic contract and get the crane out to chuck fatso overboard they'd better go after Brian Kelly of Cincinnati or Chris Petersen. Gruden? Give me a break. At least we know how film sessions will go:
Gruden: You see that! You just made a play! That's a play maker right there! You just made a football play! That's all you are, a guy who goes out and makes plays on a football field.
Oh, I don't think Gruden would be any good. I just hate Weis, and I'm resigned to the fact that Notre Dame is never going to be relevant again, so they might as well turn the football program into a carnival.
I thought you all would want to know that Wanny has been "rebranded."
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-rebranding-of-Dave-Wannstedt.html (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-rebranding-of-Dave-Wannstedt.html)
Everything about this piece, down to the author's bio is hilariously awful. The only thing it gets right is that it would be hilarious if his college coaching internship lasts longer than Fat Charlie's.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 12, 2009, 12:43:47 PM
I thought you all would want to know that Wanny has been "rebranded."
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-rebranding-of-Dave-Wannstedt.html (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-rebranding-of-Dave-Wannstedt.html)
Everything about this piece, down to the author's bio is hilariously awful. The only thing it gets right is that it would be hilarious if his college coaching internship lasts longer than Fat Charlie's.
GROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAN.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 12, 2009, 12:43:47 PM
I thought you all would want to know that Wanny has been "rebranded."
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-rebranding-of-Dave-Wannstedt.html (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-rebranding-of-Dave-Wannstedt.html)
Everything about this piece, down to the author's bio is hilariously awful. The only thing it gets right is that it would be hilarious if his college coaching internship lasts longer than Fat Charlie's.
These four sentences are well-written:
QuoteAfter that 2005 opener which saw both Wannstedt and Weis leading their alma maters, both men have traveled down divergent paths after high expectations were placed upon them to instantly change the culture of their new programs and return the teams to national prominence.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 12, 2009, 12:43:47 PM
I thought you all would want to know that Wanny has been "rebranded."
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-rebranding-of-Dave-Wannstedt.html (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-rebranding-of-Dave-Wannstedt.html)
Everything about this piece, down to the author's bio is hilariously awful. The only thing it gets right is that it would be hilarious if his college coaching internship lasts longer than Fat Charlie's.
I would think you would be somewhat happy with Wannstedt right now. The guy ended up a disaster here, but in fairness to him, there's something that might be going right for him at Pitt. Of course, if they lose to ND on Saturday, forget everything I just said.
I remember it like it was yesterady when Wanny and Chew Chew Charlie made their college head coaching debut on the same field in September, 2005. ND kicked the hell out of Pitt, Wanny was doing his "anxiously combing hand through hair" routine that we had grown all-too familiar with whilst he was coaching the Bears, and life was glorious, at least for those of us who were Bears fans while also backing the Irish. Holy crud have the times changed since then. CFiHP's irrational agenda notwithstanding, Wanny's getting the last laugh right now.
Again, please ignore this post if Coach Frontbutt and Crew somehow fall ass backwards--a la Cosmo Kramer--into a win Saturday, which would be a horrible setback for a Pitt program that still has some tough games ahead this season.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 12, 2009, 12:51:28 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 12, 2009, 12:43:47 PM
I thought you all would want to know that Wanny has been "rebranded."
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-rebranding-of-Dave-Wannstedt.html (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-rebranding-of-Dave-Wannstedt.html)
Everything about this piece, down to the author's bio is hilariously awful. The only thing it gets right is that it would be hilarious if his college coaching internship lasts longer than Fat Charlie's.
These four sentences are well-written:
QuoteAfter that 2005 opener which saw both Wannstedt and Weis leading their alma maters, both men have traveled down divergent paths after high expectations were placed upon them to instantly change the culture of their new programs and return the teams to national prominence.
Holy BC is that painful to read.
QuoteThe bottom line is that Wannstedt didn't have a chance to succeed in Chicago because he wasn't Da Coach.
Yeah, that's the reason why Wanny didn't have a chance to succeed in Chicago.
Good god this writer is awful.
Quote from: MAD on November 12, 2009, 12:56:08 PM
CFiHP's irrational agenda notwithstanding, Wanny's getting the last laugh right now.
I have an agenda?
Wanny's track record is 1 Bowl Game in 5 years, and a 3-0 shutout to Oregon St. in that bowl game.
He has a good record now, but the one loss on Pitt's schedule tells more about any of their wins against mediocre to bad teams. The last three weeks will tell the story about this season...but Cincy could still lose to Illinois and then to Pitt. Even if Pitt wins out, it could be a BCS team w/o a win over a BCS Top 20 school (and if Cincy loses to Illinois, perhaps Top 30).
I'll be excited we're in a BCS game, but I'm not going to delude myself into thinking that Pitt's program or Wanny's coaching is anything close to good.
The best thing that you can say about him is what you could say about his Fins' tenure. If you give him a little talent and a weak schedule, he can beat most of the teams on that schedule. That's a ringing endorsement...
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 12, 2009, 03:09:35 PM
Quote from: MAD on November 12, 2009, 12:56:08 PM
CFiHP's irrational agenda notwithstanding, Wanny's getting the last laugh right now.
I have an agenda?
Wanny's track record is 1 Bowl Game in 5 years, and a 3-0 shutout to Oregon St. in that bowl game.
He has a good record now, but the one loss on Pitt's schedule tells more about any of their wins against mediocre to bad teams. The last three weeks will tell the story about this season...but Cincy could still lose to Illinois and then to Pitt. Even if Pitt wins out, it could be a BCS team w/o a win over a BCS Top 20 school (and if Cincy loses to Illinois, perhaps Top 30).
I'll be excited we're in a BCS game, but I'm not going to delude myself into thinking that Pitt's program or Wanny's coaching is anything close to good.
The best thing that you can say about him is what you could say about his Fins' tenure. If you give him a little talent and a weak schedule, he can beat most of the teams on that schedule. That's a ringing endorsement...
Is Cincy not planning on showing up for the game? I hadn't heard anything.
Quote from: MAD on November 12, 2009, 12:56:08 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 12, 2009, 12:43:47 PM
I thought you all would want to know that Wanny has been "rebranded."
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-rebranding-of-Dave-Wannstedt.html (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-rebranding-of-Dave-Wannstedt.html)
Everything about this piece, down to the author's bio is hilariously awful. The only thing it gets right is that it would be hilarious if his college coaching internship lasts longer than Fat Charlie's.
I would think you would be somewhat happy with Wannstedt right now. The guy ended up a disaster here, but in fairness to him, there's something that might be going right for him at Pitt. Of course, if they lose to ND on Saturday, forget everything I just said.
I remember it like it was yesterady when Wanny and Chew Chew Charlie made their college head coaching debut on the same field in September, 2005. ND kicked the hell out of Pitt, Wanny was doing his "anxiously combing hand through hair" routine that we had grown all-too familiar with whilst he was coaching the Bears, and life was glorious, at least for those of us who were Bears fans while also backing the Irish. Holy crud have the times changed since then. CFiHP's irrational agenda notwithstanding, Wanny's getting the last laugh right now.
Again, please ignore this post if Coach Frontbutt and Crew somehow fall ass backwards--a la Cosmo Kramer--into a win Saturday, which would be a horrible setback for a Pitt program that still has some tough games ahead this season.
Really? Because he's having a modicum of success in the one conference that the Big Ten can legitimately claim to out rank in a lesser league of football? Yes, I'm shutting up about the complete and abysmal failure the Wannstache was in Chicago because he's managed to win a few ball games over Youngstown State, Buffalo, Navy, Louisville, UConn, Rutgers, Syracuse, and South Florida.The teams Pitt has beaten are 36-42 (.462%), and not a one of them ranks higher than 4th place in any of their respective conferences. The team that beat Pitt was NC State, and they're 4-5 and in 5th place in the ACC Coastal. Woop de damn doo, Wanny's got a top ten team. Has anyone actually Looked at the state of college football this year? Ohio State is back in the top ten somehow, the 4-6 teams are TCU, Cincinnati, and Boise State, and USC is somehow ranked #11, with Oregon at #14, just a week after Oregon beat USC by 27! points. Fuck Wannstache. He hasn't done a fucking thing in his entire career that screams anything other than "I'm mediocre at best, a god damned yinzer accented, franchise destroying, hair-lipped fucktard at worst."
Quote from: SKO on November 12, 2009, 03:33:03 PM
Quote from: MAD on November 12, 2009, 12:56:08 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 12, 2009, 12:43:47 PM
I thought you all would want to know that Wanny has been "rebranded."
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-rebranding-of-Dave-Wannstedt.html (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-rebranding-of-Dave-Wannstedt.html)
Everything about this piece, down to the author's bio is hilariously awful. The only thing it gets right is that it would be hilarious if his college coaching internship lasts longer than Fat Charlie's.
I would think you would be somewhat happy with Wannstedt right now. The guy ended up a disaster here, but in fairness to him, there's something that might be going right for him at Pitt. Of course, if they lose to ND on Saturday, forget everything I just said.
I remember it like it was yesterady when Wanny and Chew Chew Charlie made their college head coaching debut on the same field in September, 2005. ND kicked the hell out of Pitt, Wanny was doing his "anxiously combing hand through hair" routine that we had grown all-too familiar with whilst he was coaching the Bears, and life was glorious, at least for those of us who were Bears fans while also backing the Irish. Holy crud have the times changed since then. CFiHP's irrational agenda notwithstanding, Wanny's getting the last laugh right now.
Again, please ignore this post if Coach Frontbutt and Crew somehow fall ass backwards--a la Cosmo Kramer--into a win Saturday, which would be a horrible setback for a Pitt program that still has some tough games ahead this season.
Really? Because he's having a modicum of success in the one conference that the Big Ten can legitimately claim to out rank in a lesser league of football? Yes, I'm shutting up about the complete and abysmal failure the Wannstache was in Chicago because he's managed to win a few ball games over Youngstown State, Buffalo, Navy, Louisville, UConn, Rutgers, Syracuse, and South Florida.The teams Pitt has beaten are 36-42 (.462%), and not a one of them ranks higher than 4th place in any of their respective conferences. The team that beat Pitt was NC State, and they're 4-5 and in 5th place in the ACC Coastal. Woop de damn doo, Wanny's got a top ten team. Has anyone actually Looked at the state of college football this year? Ohio State is back in the top ten somehow, the 4-6 teams are TCU, Cincinnati, and Boise State, and USC is somehow ranked #11, with Oregon at #14, just a week after Oregon beat USC by 27! points. Fuck Wannstache. He hasn't done a fucking thing in his entire career that screams anything other than "I'm mediocre at best, a god damned yinzer accented, franchise destroying, hair-lipped fucktard at worst."
Let me tell you a little something about gauging strength of schedule on the combined records of your opponents ...
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Quote from: ChuckD on November 12, 2009, 03:50:32 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 12, 2009, 03:33:03 PM
Quote from: MAD on November 12, 2009, 12:56:08 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 12, 2009, 12:43:47 PM
I thought you all would want to know that Wanny has been "rebranded."
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-rebranding-of-Dave-Wannstedt.html (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-rebranding-of-Dave-Wannstedt.html)
Everything about this piece, down to the author's bio is hilariously awful. The only thing it gets right is that it would be hilarious if his college coaching internship lasts longer than Fat Charlie's.
I would think you would be somewhat happy with Wannstedt right now. The guy ended up a disaster here, but in fairness to him, there's something that might be going right for him at Pitt. Of course, if they lose to ND on Saturday, forget everything I just said.
I remember it like it was yesterady when Wanny and Chew Chew Charlie made their college head coaching debut on the same field in September, 2005. ND kicked the hell out of Pitt, Wanny was doing his "anxiously combing hand through hair" routine that we had grown all-too familiar with whilst he was coaching the Bears, and life was glorious, at least for those of us who were Bears fans while also backing the Irish. Holy crud have the times changed since then. CFiHP's irrational agenda notwithstanding, Wanny's getting the last laugh right now.
Again, please ignore this post if Coach Frontbutt and Crew somehow fall ass backwards--a la Cosmo Kramer--into a win Saturday, which would be a horrible setback for a Pitt program that still has some tough games ahead this season.
Really? Because he's having a modicum of success in the one conference that the Big Ten can legitimately claim to out rank in a lesser league of football? Yes, I'm shutting up about the complete and abysmal failure the Wannstache was in Chicago because he's managed to win a few ball games over Youngstown State, Buffalo, Navy, Louisville, UConn, Rutgers, Syracuse, and South Florida.The teams Pitt has beaten are 36-42 (.462%), and not a one of them ranks higher than 4th place in any of their respective conferences. The team that beat Pitt was NC State, and they're 4-5 and in 5th place in the ACC Coastal. Woop de damn doo, Wanny's got a top ten team. Has anyone actually Looked at the state of college football this year? Ohio State is back in the top ten somehow, the 4-6 teams are TCU, Cincinnati, and Boise State, and USC is somehow ranked #11, with Oregon at #14, just a week after Oregon beat USC by 27! points. Fuck Wannstache. He hasn't done a fucking thing in his entire career that screams anything other than "I'm mediocre at best, a god damned yinzer accented, franchise destroying, hair-lipped fucktard at worst."
Let me tell you a little something about gauging strength of schedule on the combined records of your opponents ...
[/stickpokery]
That the Big East sucks nearly as much, if not more so, as the Big Ten and that just as Iowa's narrow victories over the "best" Big Ten teams were hollow, so are Pitt's victories over the shittiest of shit teams from the Big East?
Quote from: ChuckD on November 12, 2009, 03:50:32 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 12, 2009, 03:33:03 PM
Quote from: MAD on November 12, 2009, 12:56:08 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on November 12, 2009, 12:43:47 PM
I thought you all would want to know that Wanny has been "rebranded."
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-rebranding-of-Dave-Wannstedt.html (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-rebranding-of-Dave-Wannstedt.html)
Everything about this piece, down to the author's bio is hilariously awful. The only thing it gets right is that it would be hilarious if his college coaching internship lasts longer than Fat Charlie's.
I would think you would be somewhat happy with Wannstedt right now. The guy ended up a disaster here, but in fairness to him, there's something that might be going right for him at Pitt. Of course, if they lose to ND on Saturday, forget everything I just said.
I remember it like it was yesterady when Wanny and Chew Chew Charlie made their college head coaching debut on the same field in September, 2005. ND kicked the hell out of Pitt, Wanny was doing his "anxiously combing hand through hair" routine that we had grown all-too familiar with whilst he was coaching the Bears, and life was glorious, at least for those of us who were Bears fans while also backing the Irish. Holy crud have the times changed since then. CFiHP's irrational agenda notwithstanding, Wanny's getting the last laugh right now.
Again, please ignore this post if Coach Frontbutt and Crew somehow fall ass backwards--a la Cosmo Kramer--into a win Saturday, which would be a horrible setback for a Pitt program that still has some tough games ahead this season.
Really? Because he's having a modicum of success in the one conference that the Big Ten can legitimately claim to out rank in a lesser league of football? Yes, I'm shutting up about the complete and abysmal failure the Wannstache was in Chicago because he's managed to win a few ball games over Youngstown State, Buffalo, Navy, Louisville, UConn, Rutgers, Syracuse, and South Florida.The teams Pitt has beaten are 36-42 (.462%), and not a one of them ranks higher than 4th place in any of their respective conferences. The team that beat Pitt was NC State, and they're 4-5 and in 5th place in the ACC Coastal. Woop de damn doo, Wanny's got a top ten team. Has anyone actually Looked at the state of college football this year? Ohio State is back in the top ten somehow, the 4-6 teams are TCU, Cincinnati, and Boise State, and USC is somehow ranked #11, with Oregon at #14, just a week after Oregon beat USC by 27! points. Fuck Wannstache. He hasn't done a fucking thing in his entire career that screams anything other than "I'm mediocre at best, a god damned yinzer accented, franchise destroying, hair-lipped fucktard at worst."
Let me tell you a little something about gauging strength of schedule on the combined records of your opponents ...
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Let me tell you something about Pat Fitzgerald. He can take his'n and beat Iowa, and he can take your'n and beat Iowa.
I appreciate SKO's beatdown as I'll gladly defer to him for football thoughts and things, but is the Big East really that bad...I mean worse than the Big 10?
What about Miami and VA Tech. Good, yes?
And Pat Fitzgerald's hilarious. He quotes his old mentor Gary Barnett like he's not an opportunistic scumdouche, and he apparently truly believes that Northwestern has been a perennial power since he had been roaming the middle for that '95 team that began NU's current bowl winless streak by getting spanked in Pasadena by Keyshawn and Co.
Quote from: MAD on November 12, 2009, 05:40:58 PM
I appreciate SKO's beatdown as I'll gladly defer to him for football thoughts and things, but is the Big East really that bad...I mean worse than the Big 10?
What about Miami and VA Tech. Good, yes?
And Pat Fitzgerald's hilarious. He quotes his old mentor Gary Barnett like he's not an opportunistic scumdouche, and he apparently truly believes that Northwestern has been a perennial power since he had been roaming the middle for that '95 team that began NU's current bowl einless streak by getting spanked in Pasadena by Keyshawn and Co.
Outside perspective from someone who doesn't really know anything about college football:
Pat Fitzgerald seems like a pretty good coach.
Quote from: MAD on November 12, 2009, 05:40:58 PM
I appreciate SKO's beatdown as I'll gladly defer to him for football thoughts and things, but is the Big East really that bad...I mean worse than the Big 10?
What about Miami and VA Tech. Good, yes?
And Pat Fitzgerald's hilarious. He quotes his old mentor Gary Barnett like he's not an opportunistic scumdouche, and he apparently truly believes that Northwestern has been a perennial power since he had been roaming the middle for that '95 team that began NU's current bowl einless streak by getting spanked in Pasadena by Keyshawn and Co.
They left the Big East for the ACC in 2004. Jesus.
Quote from: SKO on November 12, 2009, 06:00:44 PM
Quote from: MAD on November 12, 2009, 05:40:58 PM
I appreciate SKO's beatdown as I'll gladly defer to him for football thoughts and things, but is the Big East really that bad...I mean worse than the Big 10?
What about Miami and VA Tech. Good, yes?
And Pat Fitzgerald's hilarious. He quotes his old mentor Gary Barnett like he's not an opportunistic scumdouche, and he apparently truly believes that Northwestern has been a perennial power since he had been roaming the middle for that '95 team that began NU's current bowl einless streak by getting spanked in Pasadena by Keyshawn and Co.
They left the Big East for the ACC in 2004. Jesus.
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Yes?
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2009, 05:50:00 PM
Quote from: MAD on November 12, 2009, 05:40:58 PM
I appreciate SKO's beatdown as I'll gladly defer to him for football thoughts and things, but is the Big East really that bad...I mean worse than the Big 10?
What about Miami and VA Tech. Good, yes?
And Pat Fitzgerald's hilarious. He quotes his old mentor Gary Barnett like he's not an opportunistic scumdouche, and he apparently truly believes that Northwestern has been a perennial power since he had been roaming the middle for that '95 team that began NU's current bowl einless streak by getting spanked in Pasadena by Keyshawn and Co.
Outside perspective from someone who doesn't really know anything about college football:
Pat Fitzgerald seems like a pretty good coach.
That's because he is.
NIU! (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-13-niu-football-nov13,0,5924974.story)
When do we play Alabama?
Quote from: MAD on November 13, 2009, 08:43:07 AM
NIU! (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-13-niu-football-nov13,0,5924974.story)
When do we play Alabama?
Indoor track season?
Since the Huskies already took down Bama in Tuscaloosa a few years ago, they'll never get invited back.
Jerry Kill is a really good football coach. He looks like he should be living under a bridge, so DeKalb's a perfect place for him long-term, but I think they did good when they picked him when Joe Novak retired.
If they win at Ohio next week then they go to Central Michigan for a chance to win their half of the MAC, and then play in front of 1200 of their best friends in Ford Field for the MAC title.
Quote from: Andy on November 13, 2009, 10:08:00 AM
Jerry Kill is a really good football coach. He looks like he should be living under a bridge, so DeKalb's a perfect place for him long-term, but I think they did good when they picked him when Joe Novak retired.
Very much THIS. I've been beating this horse to death for years to people who haven't yet grown sick of me ranting about it.
You have to be nuanced when picking a coach for a team at this caliber. Although he never turned out to be jack shite, former Joey Meyer flunky Rich Molinari clearly was using as NIU as a stepping stone in '91 when he left for Bradley after their fluke NCAA team. Conversely, Joe Novak was perfect because he looked older and fatter than befits a top-tier program so he would never appear desirable, long-term for a Big 10 team.
In short, an NIU coach has to be good enough to build a pipeline and make bowls from their mid-major catbird seat or else just expose people to the worst football on earth, but not so striking so as to have, say, U of I take him when their coach shits the tub (of course, the Illini dodged a bullet by not hiring away Rob Judson...I wonder if BC was pining for that one? )
Similar to Novak, his predecessor, Kill looks like a pederast whose daytime job is as a surgeon. He can win all he wants and there's no way he's going anywhere.
So which team wins a bowl game first in our lives? NIU or Northwestern?
Quote from: MAD on November 13, 2009, 02:19:14 PM
Quote from: Andy on November 13, 2009, 10:08:00 AM
Jerry Kill is a really good football coach. He looks like he should be living under a bridge, so DeKalb's a perfect place for him long-term, but I think they did good when they picked him when Joe Novak retired.
Very much THIS. I've been beating this horse to death for years to people who haven't yet grown sick of me ranting about it.
You have to be nuanced when picking a coach for a team at this caliber. Although he never turned out to be jack shite, former Joey Meyer flunky Rich Molinari clearly was using as NIU as a stepping stone in '91 when he left for Bradley after their fluke NCAA team. Conversely, Joe Novak was perfect because he looked older and fatter than befits a top-tier program so he would never appear desirable, long-term for a Big 10 team.
In short, an NIU coach has to be good enough to build a pipeline and make bowls from their mid-major catbird seat or else just expose people to the worst football on earth, but not so striking so as to have, say, U of I take him when their coach shits the tub (of course, the Illini dodged a bullet by not hiring away Rob Judson...I wonder if BC was pining for that one? )
Similar to Novak, his predecessor, Kill looks like a pederast whose daytime job is as a surgeon. He can win all he wants and there's no way he's going anywhere.
So which team wins a bowl game first in our lives? NIU or Northwestern?
NU and NIU could possibly settle it, man-to-man, in Detoilet later this year....
Quote from: Indolent Reader on November 13, 2009, 03:00:48 PM
Quote from: MAD on November 13, 2009, 02:19:14 PM
Quote from: Andy on November 13, 2009, 10:08:00 AM
Jerry Kill is a really good football coach. He looks like he should be living under a bridge, so DeKalb's a perfect place for him long-term, but I think they did good when they picked him when Joe Novak retired.
Very much THIS. I've been beating this horse to death for years to people who haven't yet grown sick of me ranting about it.
You have to be nuanced when picking a coach for a team at this caliber. Although he never turned out to be jack shite, former Joey Meyer flunky Rich Molinari clearly was using as NIU as a stepping stone in '91 when he left for Bradley after their fluke NCAA team. Conversely, Joe Novak was perfect because he looked older and fatter than befits a top-tier program so he would never appear desirable, long-term for a Big 10 team.
In short, an NIU coach has to be good enough to build a pipeline and make bowls from their mid-major catbird seat or else just expose people to the worst football on earth, but not so striking so as to have, say, U of I take him when their coach shits the tub (of course, the Illini dodged a bullet by not hiring away Rob Judson...I wonder if BC was pining for that one? )
Similar to Novak, his predecessor, Kill looks like a pederast whose daytime job is as a surgeon. He can win all he wants and there's no way he's going anywhere.
So which team wins a bowl game first in our lives? NIU or Northwestern?
NU and NIU could possibly settle it, man-to-man, in Detoilet later this year....
Not if Chicago's own Dan Lefevour has anything to say about it.
I love to see Stanford play USC because one of them has to lose. The bad news is that one of them has to win.
Quote from: CBStew on November 14, 2009, 06:30:12 PM
I love to see Stanford play USC because one of them has to lose. The bad news is that one of them has to win.
Pray for an asteroid.
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Quote from: CBStew on November 14, 2009, 06:30:12 PM
I love to see Stanford play USC because one of them has to lose. The bad news is that one of them has to win.
Pray for an asteroid.
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Weis haters rejoice. Rumor has it that Fat Charlie was told last week he's out after this season, which would explain why he was even more ornery and dickish about throwing his players under the bus after the Navy game. Rumor has it his replacement will be (and I'm not sure how much I believe this) Tony Dungy.
The only thing I can think of is that Dungy has a connection with Swarbrick, the new AD, since I think Swarbrick's firm is the one that worked on the deal for the new stadium. As long as their coach next year is NotWeis, I'll be happy.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on November 12, 2009, 09:52:14 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2009, 05:50:00 PM
Quote from: MAD on November 12, 2009, 05:40:58 PM
I appreciate SKO's beatdown as I'll gladly defer to him for football thoughts and things, but is the Big East really that bad...I mean worse than the Big 10?
What about Miami and VA Tech. Good, yes?
And Pat Fitzgerald's hilarious. He quotes his old mentor Gary Barnett like he's not an opportunistic scumdouche, and he apparently truly believes that Northwestern has been a perennial power since he had been roaming the middle for that '95 team that began NU's current bowl einless streak by getting spanked in Pasadena by Keyshawn and Co.
Outside perspective from someone who doesn't really know anything about college football:
Pat Fitzgerald seems like a pretty good coach.
That's because he is.
Thi. Then consider the fact that he's all of 34 and still learning on the job.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 16, 2009, 09:57:31 AM
Weis haters rejoice. Rumor has it that Fat Charlie was told last week he's out after this season, which would explain why he was even more ornery and dickish about throwing his players under the bus after the Navy game. Rumor has it his replacement will be (and I'm not sure how much I believe this) Tony Dungy.
The only thing I can think of is that Dungy has a connection with Swarbrick, the new AD, since I think Swarbrick's firm is the one that worked on the deal for the new stadium. As long as their coach next year is NotWeis, I'll be happy.
Weebs is your source? Damn, Kermit..
Quote from: IrishYeti on November 16, 2009, 10:03:14 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 16, 2009, 09:57:31 AM
Weis haters rejoice. Rumor has it that Fat Charlie was told last week he's out after this season, which would explain why he was even more ornery and dickish about throwing his players under the bus after the Navy game. Rumor has it his replacement will be (and I'm not sure how much I believe this) Tony Dungy.
The only thing I can think of is that Dungy has a connection with Swarbrick, the new AD, since I think Swarbrick's firm is the one that worked on the deal for the new stadium. As long as their coach next year is NotWeis, I'll be happy.
Weebs is your source? Damn, Kermit..
No. Deep Goat.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 16, 2009, 09:57:31 AM
Weis haters rejoice. Rumor has it that Fat Charlie was told last week he's out after this season, which would explain why he was even more ornery and dickish about throwing his players under the bus after the Navy game. Rumor has it his replacement will be (and I'm not sure how much I believe this) Tony Dungy.
The only thing I can think of is that Dungy has a connection with Swarbrick, the new AD, since I think Swarbrick's firm is the one that worked on the deal for the new stadium. As long as their coach next year is NotWeis, I'll be happy.
Well, I guess if I am going to root for a Catholic football team, chances are I'm going to be stuck with a crazy christian coach.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 16, 2009, 09:57:31 AM
Weis haters rejoice. Rumor has it that Fat Charlie was told last week he's out after this season, which would explain why he was even more ornery and dickish about throwing his players under the bus after the Navy game. Rumor has it his replacement will be (and I'm not sure how much I believe this) Tony Dungy.
The only thing I can think of is that Dungy has a connection with Swarbrick, the new AD, since I think Swarbrick's firm is the one that worked on the deal for the new stadium. As long as their coach next year is NotWeis, I'll be happy.
Dungy? Molder of men, destroyer of pregame shows? Are there any Vick brothers left to recruit?
Quote from: Andy on November 16, 2009, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 16, 2009, 09:57:31 AM
Weis haters rejoice. Rumor has it that Fat Charlie was told last week he's out after this season, which would explain why he was even more ornery and dickish about throwing his players under the bus after the Navy game. Rumor has it his replacement will be (and I'm not sure how much I believe this) Tony Dungy.
The only thing I can think of is that Dungy has a connection with Swarbrick, the new AD, since I think Swarbrick's firm is the one that worked on the deal for the new stadium. As long as their coach next year is NotWeis, I'll be happy.
Dungy? Molder of men, destroyer of pregame shows? Are there any Vick brothers left to recruit?
This sounds like one of those rumors that makes a lot of sense on paper (strong Christian values, loves to work with youth) but has no basis in reality.
It's got to be Brian Kelly or Chris Peterson, assuming either of those guys would be willing to leave a successful program for a shitty one.
I think Tony looked tired and over it in his last two seasons with the Colts. I have a hard time picturing him out of retirement for this lose-lose proposition. I don't know the man personally of course. I just think this sounds batshit as far as rumors go.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 16, 2009, 11:27:37 AM
This sounds like one of those rumors that makes a lot of sense on paper (strong Christian values, loves to work with youth) but has no basis in reality.
Wanny.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 16, 2009, 11:27:37 AM
Quote from: Andy on November 16, 2009, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 16, 2009, 09:57:31 AM
Weis haters rejoice. Rumor has it that Fat Charlie was told last week he's out after this season, which would explain why he was even more ornery and dickish about throwing his players under the bus after the Navy game. Rumor has it his replacement will be (and I'm not sure how much I believe this) Tony Dungy.
The only thing I can think of is that Dungy has a connection with Swarbrick, the new AD, since I think Swarbrick's firm is the one that worked on the deal for the new stadium. As long as their coach next year is NotWeis, I'll be happy.
Dungy? Molder of men, destroyer of pregame shows? Are there any Vick brothers left to recruit?
This sounds like one of those rumors that makes a lot of sense on paper (strong Christian values, loves to work with youth) but has no basis in reality.
It's got to be Brian Kelly or Chris Peterson, assuming either of those guys would be willing to leave a successful program for a shitty one.
Peterson wasn't on their rumored list. It was Stoops, Dungy, and Kelly. I doubt Stoops would ever want to leave OU (why would he?), but even with the ND football program in total disarray, I would assume Kelly would take it. It's still a prestigious (if completely shitty) football job. Dungy was totally out of left field, but I don't think my buddy would have passed the rumor along if it didn't have some legs.
But whoever the hell it is, the important thing here is that the 2010 ND football coach is apparently not going to be Front Butt. Huzzah!
Quote from: PenFoe on November 16, 2009, 11:27:37 AM
Quote from: Andy on November 16, 2009, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 16, 2009, 09:57:31 AM
Weis haters rejoice. Rumor has it that Fat Charlie was told last week he's out after this season, which would explain why he was even more ornery and dickish about throwing his players under the bus after the Navy game. Rumor has it his replacement will be (and I'm not sure how much I believe this) Tony Dungy.
The only thing I can think of is that Dungy has a connection with Swarbrick, the new AD, since I think Swarbrick's firm is the one that worked on the deal for the new stadium. As long as their coach next year is NotWeis, I'll be happy.
Dungy? Molder of men, destroyer of pregame shows? Are there any Vick brothers left to recruit?
This sounds like one of those rumors that makes a lot of sense on paper (strong Christian values, loves to work with youth) but has no basis in reality.
It's got to be Brian Kelly or Chris Peterson, assuming either of those guys would be willing to leave a successful program for a shitty one.
Turning the ND program around isn't exactly a Herculean task. Their TV contract guarantees any player maximum exposure, and the Irish's PR Department can certainly gear up a trophy campaign once a half-decent player comes along. All this leads to easy recruiting of studs from around the country.
It takes a pretty special coach to be able to screw the pooch at Notre Dame as thoroughly as Frontbutt did.
Quote from: Fork on November 16, 2009, 11:42:28 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 16, 2009, 11:27:37 AM
Quote from: Andy on November 16, 2009, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 16, 2009, 09:57:31 AM
Weis haters rejoice. Rumor has it that Fat Charlie was told last week he's out after this season, which would explain why he was even more ornery and dickish about throwing his players under the bus after the Navy game. Rumor has it his replacement will be (and I'm not sure how much I believe this) Tony Dungy.
The only thing I can think of is that Dungy has a connection with Swarbrick, the new AD, since I think Swarbrick's firm is the one that worked on the deal for the new stadium. As long as their coach next year is NotWeis, I'll be happy.
Dungy? Molder of men, destroyer of pregame shows? Are there any Vick brothers left to recruit?
This sounds like one of those rumors that makes a lot of sense on paper (strong Christian values, loves to work with youth) but has no basis in reality.
It's got to be Brian Kelly or Chris Peterson, assuming either of those guys would be willing to leave a successful program for a shitty one.
Turning the ND program around isn't exactly a Herculean task. Their TV contract guarantees any player maximum exposure, and the Irish's PR Department can certainly gear up a trophy campaign once a half-decent player comes along. All this leads to easy recruiting of studs from around the country.
It takes a pretty special coach to be able to screw the pooch at Notre Dame as thoroughly as Frontbutt did.
Really?
Davie, Willingham and now Charlie have all done a pretty bad job as coach there (or at least have mediocre results), and they were all (presumably) pretty good hires at the time.
I don't think this is as easy and you portray it to be.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 16, 2009, 11:51:03 AM
Quote from: Fork on November 16, 2009, 11:42:28 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 16, 2009, 11:27:37 AM
Quote from: Andy on November 16, 2009, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 16, 2009, 09:57:31 AM
Weis haters rejoice. Rumor has it that Fat Charlie was told last week he's out after this season, which would explain why he was even more ornery and dickish about throwing his players under the bus after the Navy game. Rumor has it his replacement will be (and I'm not sure how much I believe this) Tony Dungy.
The only thing I can think of is that Dungy has a connection with Swarbrick, the new AD, since I think Swarbrick's firm is the one that worked on the deal for the new stadium. As long as their coach next year is NotWeis, I'll be happy.
Dungy? Molder of men, destroyer of pregame shows? Are there any Vick brothers left to recruit?
This sounds like one of those rumors that makes a lot of sense on paper (strong Christian values, loves to work with youth) but has no basis in reality.
It's got to be Brian Kelly or Chris Peterson, assuming either of those guys would be willing to leave a successful program for a shitty one.
Turning the ND program around isn't exactly a Herculean task. Their TV contract guarantees any player maximum exposure, and the Irish's PR Department can certainly gear up a trophy campaign once a half-decent player comes along. All this leads to easy recruiting of studs from around the country.
It takes a pretty special coach to be able to screw the pooch at Notre Dame as thoroughly as Frontbutt did.
Really?
Davie, Willingham and now Charlie have all done a pretty bad job as coach there (or at least have mediocre results), and they were all (presumably) pretty good hires at the time.
I don't think this is as easy and you portray it to be.
Yeah, this isn't the 1980s. Everybody plays on TV now. And you don't have to go to class or know how to read to play for most major Div. I programs.
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Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 16, 2009, 09:57:31 AM
Weis haters rejoice. Rumor has it that Fat Charlie was told last week he's out after this season, which would explain why he was even more ornery and dickish about throwing his players under the bus after the Navy game. Rumor has it his replacement will be (and I'm not sure how much I believe this) Tony Dungy.
The only thing I can think of is that Dungy has a connection with Swarbrick, the new AD, since I think Swarbrick's firm is the one that worked on the deal for the new stadium. As long as their coach next year is NotWeis, I'll be happy.
Dungy? Molder of men, destroyer of pregame shows? Are there any Vick brothers left to recruit?
This sounds like one of those rumors that makes a lot of sense on paper (strong Christian values, loves to work with youth) but has no basis in reality.
It's got to be Brian Kelly or Chris Peterson, assuming either of those guys would be willing to leave a successful program for a shitty one.
Turning the ND program around isn't exactly a Herculean task. Their TV contract guarantees any player maximum exposure, and the Irish's PR Department can certainly gear up a trophy campaign once a half-decent player comes along. All this leads to easy recruiting of studs from around the country.
It takes a pretty special coach to be able to screw the pooch at Notre Dame as thoroughly as Frontbutt did.
Really?
Davie, Willingham and now Charlie have all done a pretty bad job as coach there (or at least have mediocre results), and they were all (presumably) pretty good hires at the time.
I don't think this is as easy and you portray it to be.
Yeah, this isn't the 1980s. Everybody plays on TV now. And you don't have to go to class or know how to read to play for most major Div. I programs.
Charlie's had some fairly high ranked recruiting classes come in, but done nothing with them. The problem seems to be the coaching, not finding literate players.
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Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 16, 2009, 09:57:31 AM
Weis haters rejoice. Rumor has it that Fat Charlie was told last week he's out after this season, which would explain why he was even more ornery and dickish about throwing his players under the bus after the Navy game. Rumor has it his replacement will be (and I'm not sure how much I believe this) Tony Dungy.
The only thing I can think of is that Dungy has a connection with Swarbrick, the new AD, since I think Swarbrick's firm is the one that worked on the deal for the new stadium. As long as their coach next year is NotWeis, I'll be happy.
Dungy? Molder of men, destroyer of pregame shows? Are there any Vick brothers left to recruit?
This sounds like one of those rumors that makes a lot of sense on paper (strong Christian values, loves to work with youth) but has no basis in reality.
It's got to be Brian Kelly or Chris Peterson, assuming either of those guys would be willing to leave a successful program for a shitty one.
Turning the ND program around isn't exactly a Herculean task. Their TV contract guarantees any player maximum exposure, and the Irish's PR Department can certainly gear up a trophy campaign once a half-decent player comes along. All this leads to easy recruiting of studs from around the country.
It takes a pretty special coach to be able to screw the pooch at Notre Dame as thoroughly as Frontbutt did.
Really?
Davie, Willingham and now Charlie have all done a pretty bad job as coach there (or at least have mediocre results), and they were all (presumably) pretty good hires at the time.
I don't think this is as easy and you portray it to be.
Yeah, this isn't the 1980s. Everybody plays on TV now. And you don't have to go to class or know how to read to play for most major Div. I programs.
Charlie's had some fairly high ranked recruiting classes come in, but done nothing with them. The problem seems to be the coaching, not finding literate players.
They say that Claussen, Tate , and Floyd are surefire 1st rounders? This true? That Hawaiian linebacker (the OTHER #5) Manteo (?) seems like he could be good too, although I don't know if he's NFL prospect material. Kinda short, maybe. Anyway, there would actually seem to be some talent there.
(JD--Stop your scoffing NOW, son)
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Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 16, 2009, 09:57:31 AM
Weis haters rejoice. Rumor has it that Fat Charlie was told last week he's out after this season, which would explain why he was even more ornery and dickish about throwing his players under the bus after the Navy game. Rumor has it his replacement will be (and I'm not sure how much I believe this) Tony Dungy.
The only thing I can think of is that Dungy has a connection with Swarbrick, the new AD, since I think Swarbrick's firm is the one that worked on the deal for the new stadium. As long as their coach next year is NotWeis, I'll be happy.
Dungy? Molder of men, destroyer of pregame shows? Are there any Vick brothers left to recruit?
This sounds like one of those rumors that makes a lot of sense on paper (strong Christian values, loves to work with youth) but has no basis in reality.
Dungy's an evangelical Baptist.
Granted, in recent years conservative evangelicals have been finding a bit more ecumenical common ground with those pagans in the Vatican through abortion and the culture war.
And I don't recall hearing many prominent Baptists call the Pope the Antichrist in recent years.
Still... It's not exactly kismet.
But I wouldn't expect someone whose hands remain stained by the blood of our Lord to understand anyways, so back to talk of gunts and pooch-screwing...
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Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 16, 2009, 09:57:31 AM
Weis haters rejoice. Rumor has it that Fat Charlie was told last week he's out after this season, which would explain why he was even more ornery and dickish about throwing his players under the bus after the Navy game. Rumor has it his replacement will be (and I'm not sure how much I believe this) Tony Dungy.
The only thing I can think of is that Dungy has a connection with Swarbrick, the new AD, since I think Swarbrick's firm is the one that worked on the deal for the new stadium. As long as their coach next year is NotWeis, I'll be happy.
Dungy? Molder of men, destroyer of pregame shows? Are there any Vick brothers left to recruit?
This sounds like one of those rumors that makes a lot of sense on paper (strong Christian values, loves to work with youth) but has no basis in reality.
Dungy's an evangelical Baptist.
Granted, in recent years conservative evangelicals have been finding a bit more ecumenical common ground with those pagans in the Vatican through abortion and the culture war.
And I don't recall hearing many prominent Baptists call the Pope the Antichrist in recent years.
Still... It's not exactly kismet.
But I wouldn't expect someone whose hands remain stained by the blood of our Lord to understand anyways, so back to talk of gunts and pooch-screwing...
Ehhh...they're all just non-chosen people to me.
Quote from: Fork on November 16, 2009, 11:42:28 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 16, 2009, 11:27:37 AM
Quote from: Andy on November 16, 2009, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 16, 2009, 09:57:31 AM
Weis haters rejoice. Rumor has it that Fat Charlie was told last week he's out after this season, which would explain why he was even more ornery and dickish about throwing his players under the bus after the Navy game. Rumor has it his replacement will be (and I'm not sure how much I believe this) Tony Dungy.
The only thing I can think of is that Dungy has a connection with Swarbrick, the new AD, since I think Swarbrick's firm is the one that worked on the deal for the new stadium. As long as their coach next year is NotWeis, I'll be happy.
Dungy? Molder of men, destroyer of pregame shows? Are there any Vick brothers left to recruit?
This sounds like one of those rumors that makes a lot of sense on paper (strong Christian values, loves to work with youth) but has no basis in reality.
It's got to be Brian Kelly or Chris Peterson, assuming either of those guys would be willing to leave a successful program for a shitty one.
Turning the ND program around isn't exactly a Herculean task. Their TV contract guarantees any player maximum exposure, and the Irish's PR Department can certainly gear up a trophy campaign once a half-decent player comes along. All this leads to easy recruiting of studs from around the country.
It takes a pretty special coach to be able to screw the pooch at Notre Dame as thoroughly as Frontbutt did.
These perceived ND advantages are long gone. Look at when ND hired Frontbutt, Urban Meyer never thought once about going there when Florida came calling with big money, plenty of TV exposure, and a rabid fanbase. All things that ND supposedly has over everyone else.
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Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 16, 2009, 09:57:31 AM
Weis haters rejoice. Rumor has it that Fat Charlie was told last week he's out after this season, which would explain why he was even more ornery and dickish about throwing his players under the bus after the Navy game. Rumor has it his replacement will be (and I'm not sure how much I believe this) Tony Dungy.
The only thing I can think of is that Dungy has a connection with Swarbrick, the new AD, since I think Swarbrick's firm is the one that worked on the deal for the new stadium. As long as their coach next year is NotWeis, I'll be happy.
Dungy? Molder of men, destroyer of pregame shows? Are there any Vick brothers left to recruit?
This sounds like one of those rumors that makes a lot of sense on paper (strong Christian values, loves to work with youth) but has no basis in reality.
It's got to be Brian Kelly or Chris Peterson, assuming either of those guys would be willing to leave a successful program for a shitty one.
Turning the ND program around isn't exactly a Herculean task. Their TV contract guarantees any player maximum exposure, and the Irish's PR Department can certainly gear up a trophy campaign once a half-decent player comes along. All this leads to easy recruiting of studs from around the country.
It takes a pretty special coach to be able to screw the pooch at Notre Dame as thoroughly as Frontbutt did.
These perceived ND advantages are long gone. Look at when ND hired Frontbutt, Urban Meyer never thought once about going there when Florida came calling with big money, plenty of TV exposure, and a rabid fanbase. All things that ND supposedly has over everyone else.
They're all still there. Bring in a half-decent coach and ND will once again become the Yankees of college football.
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Quote from: Andy on November 16, 2009, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 16, 2009, 09:57:31 AM
Weis haters rejoice. Rumor has it that Fat Charlie was told last week he's out after this season, which would explain why he was even more ornery and dickish about throwing his players under the bus after the Navy game. Rumor has it his replacement will be (and I'm not sure how much I believe this) Tony Dungy.
The only thing I can think of is that Dungy has a connection with Swarbrick, the new AD, since I think Swarbrick's firm is the one that worked on the deal for the new stadium. As long as their coach next year is NotWeis, I'll be happy.
Dungy? Molder of men, destroyer of pregame shows? Are there any Vick brothers left to recruit?
This sounds like one of those rumors that makes a lot of sense on paper (strong Christian values, loves to work with youth) but has no basis in reality.
It's got to be Brian Kelly or Chris Peterson, assuming either of those guys would be willing to leave a successful program for a shitty one.
Turning the ND program around isn't exactly a Herculean task. Their TV contract guarantees any player maximum exposure, and the Irish's PR Department can certainly gear up a trophy campaign once a half-decent player comes along. All this leads to easy recruiting of studs from around the country.
It takes a pretty special coach to be able to screw the pooch at Notre Dame as thoroughly as Frontbutt did.
These perceived ND advantages are long gone. Look at when ND hired Frontbutt, Urban Meyer never thought once about going there when Florida came calling with big money, plenty of TV exposure, and a rabid fanbase. All things that ND supposedly has over everyone else.
They're all still there. Bring in a half-decent coach and ND will once again become the Yankees of college football.
If they were Urban Meyer would be the coach right now.
Since an NFL guy didn't work, a college head coach didn't work, a college coordinator didn't work I think ND will go the Catholic high school head coach route again and name Frank Lenti their next coach.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on November 16, 2009, 12:43:38 PM
Since an NFL guy didn't work, a college head coach didn't work, a college coordinator didn't work I think ND will go the Catholic high school head coach route again and name Frank Lenti their next coach.
No Dan Sharp?
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Quote from: Armchair_QB on November 16, 2009, 12:43:38 PM
Since an NFL guy didn't work, a college head coach didn't work, a college coordinator didn't work I think ND will go the Catholic high school head coach route again and name Frank Lenti their next coach.
No Dan Sharp?
Stay away from Dan Sharp, hayseed.
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Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 16, 2009, 09:57:31 AM
Weis haters rejoice. Rumor has it that Fat Charlie was told last week he's out after this season, which would explain why he was even more ornery and dickish about throwing his players under the bus after the Navy game. Rumor has it his replacement will be (and I'm not sure how much I believe this) Tony Dungy.
The only thing I can think of is that Dungy has a connection with Swarbrick, the new AD, since I think Swarbrick's firm is the one that worked on the deal for the new stadium. As long as their coach next year is NotWeis, I'll be happy.
Dungy? Molder of men, destroyer of pregame shows? Are there any Vick brothers left to recruit?
This sounds like one of those rumors that makes a lot of sense on paper (strong Christian values, loves to work with youth) but has no basis in reality.
It's got to be Brian Kelly or Chris Peterson, assuming either of those guys would be willing to leave a successful program for a shitty one.
Turning the ND program around isn't exactly a Herculean task. Their TV contract guarantees any player maximum exposure, and the Irish's PR Department can certainly gear up a trophy campaign once a half-decent player comes along. All this leads to easy recruiting of studs from around the country.
It takes a pretty special coach to be able to screw the pooch at Notre Dame as thoroughly as Frontbutt did.
Really?
Davie, Willingham and now Charlie have all done a pretty bad job as coach there (or at least have mediocre results), and they were all (presumably) pretty good hires at the time.
I don't think this is as easy and you portray it to be.
Yeah, this isn't the 1980s. Everybody plays on TV now. And you don't have to go to class or know how to read to play for most major Div. I programs.
Charlie's had some fairly high ranked recruiting classes come in, but done nothing with them. The problem seems to be the coaching, not finding literate players.
THI. Charlie's recruiting hasn't been the problem (though one might argue that he should have focused a larger percentage of his considerable girth on recruiting defensive players). His incompetence as a head coach has been.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 16, 2009, 01:33:33 PM
His incompetence as a head coach has been.
Or at least it
will have been, just as soon as he's officially let go.
It's could be a buyer's market for XXXXXXL coaching gear with Weis all but gone and Ralph Friedgen and Mark Mangino also feeling some heat.
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Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 16, 2009, 01:33:33 PM
His incompetence as a head coach has been.
Or at least it will have been, just as soon as he's officially let go.
The comment after the Pitt game when Weiss threw his offensive lineman under the
bus by specifically calling him out and basically pinning the loss on one guy who didn't
even make a horrible play was sad, even for that douche bag.
Weiss seems to believe totally and completely that he has the best offensive scheme
in all of football and it is solely the fault of his players that they fail to execute it perfectly.
Quote from: Shooter on November 16, 2009, 03:02:41 PM
It's could be a buyer's market for XXXXXXL coaching gear with Weis all but gone and Ralph Friedgen and Mark Mangino also feeling some heat.
[PLAYED OUT]Someone tell BananaHands he's in luck![/PLAYED OUT]
Quote from: Fork on November 16, 2009, 12:26:23 PM
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Quote from: Fork on November 16, 2009, 11:42:28 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 16, 2009, 11:27:37 AM
Quote from: Andy on November 16, 2009, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 16, 2009, 09:57:31 AM
Weis haters rejoice. Rumor has it that Fat Charlie was told last week he's out after this season, which would explain why he was even more ornery and dickish about throwing his players under the bus after the Navy game. Rumor has it his replacement will be (and I'm not sure how much I believe this) Tony Dungy.
The only thing I can think of is that Dungy has a connection with Swarbrick, the new AD, since I think Swarbrick's firm is the one that worked on the deal for the new stadium. As long as their coach next year is NotWeis, I'll be happy.
Dungy? Molder of men, destroyer of pregame shows? Are there any Vick brothers left to recruit?
This sounds like one of those rumors that makes a lot of sense on paper (strong Christian values, loves to work with youth) but has no basis in reality.
It's got to be Brian Kelly or Chris Peterson, assuming either of those guys would be willing to leave a successful program for a shitty one.
Turning the ND program around isn't exactly a Herculean task. Their TV contract guarantees any player maximum exposure, and the Irish's PR Department can certainly gear up a trophy campaign once a half-decent player comes along. All this leads to easy recruiting of studs from around the country.
It takes a pretty special coach to be able to screw the pooch at Notre Dame as thoroughly as Frontbutt did.
These perceived ND advantages are long gone. Look at when ND hired Frontbutt, Urban Meyer never thought once about going there when Florida came calling with big money, plenty of TV exposure, and a rabid fanbase. All things that ND supposedly has over everyone else.
They're all still there. Bring in a half-decent coach and ND will once again become the Yankees of college football.
Seriously? They had a decent run during the early years of the Lou Holth tenure, but they haven't been "the Yankees of college football" since the 1960s, if not earlier. The Notre Dame mythos more or less hides the fact that there's absolutely nothing that makes them special. Army and Navy happily took their places as mid majors. Notre Dame won't fall that far, but they should just enter a conference and shut the fuck up. What makes a half decent coach, anyways? Front butt's a half decent coach, in that he can recruit, but he can't coach. Willingham had a brief run of competency before his inability to recruit hampered his effort. Davie was "half-decent." The fact is that Notre Dame fans need to just temper their expectations and realize that they haven't been the powerhouse they imagine themselves to be since the 1960s. At some point the "return to Glory" crowd needs to realize just how far back that glory really was. Of their 11 national titles, 7 came in 1949 or before. The others were in 1966, 1973, 1977, and 1988. This isn't a fucking anomaly of mediocrity, this is reality. Notre Dame is not a powerhouse, and most likely never will be again.
Quote from: SKO on November 16, 2009, 04:38:06 PM
Of their 11 national titles, 7 came in 1949 or before. The others were in 1966, 1973, 1977, and 1988. This isn't a fucking anomaly of mediocrity, this is reality. Notre Dame is not a powerhouse, and most likely never will be again.
Emphatically, THI.
Quote from: SKO on November 16, 2009, 04:38:06 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 16, 2009, 12:26:23 PM
Quote from: Waco Kid on November 16, 2009, 12:24:47 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 16, 2009, 11:42:28 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 16, 2009, 11:27:37 AM
Quote from: Andy on November 16, 2009, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 16, 2009, 09:57:31 AM
Weis haters rejoice. Rumor has it that Fat Charlie was told last week he's out after this season, which would explain why he was even more ornery and dickish about throwing his players under the bus after the Navy game. Rumor has it his replacement will be (and I'm not sure how much I believe this) Tony Dungy.
The only thing I can think of is that Dungy has a connection with Swarbrick, the new AD, since I think Swarbrick's firm is the one that worked on the deal for the new stadium. As long as their coach next year is NotWeis, I'll be happy.
Dungy? Molder of men, destroyer of pregame shows? Are there any Vick brothers left to recruit?
This sounds like one of those rumors that makes a lot of sense on paper (strong Christian values, loves to work with youth) but has no basis in reality.
It's got to be Brian Kelly or Chris Peterson, assuming either of those guys would be willing to leave a successful program for a shitty one.
Turning the ND program around isn't exactly a Herculean task. Their TV contract guarantees any player maximum exposure, and the Irish's PR Department can certainly gear up a trophy campaign once a half-decent player comes along. All this leads to easy recruiting of studs from around the country.
It takes a pretty special coach to be able to screw the pooch at Notre Dame as thoroughly as Frontbutt did.
These perceived ND advantages are long gone. Look at when ND hired Frontbutt, Urban Meyer never thought once about going there when Florida came calling with big money, plenty of TV exposure, and a rabid fanbase. All things that ND supposedly has over everyone else.
They're all still there. Bring in a half-decent coach and ND will once again become the Yankees of college football.
Seriously? They had a decent run during the early years of the Lou Holth tenure, but they haven't been "the Yankees of college football" since the 1960s, if not earlier. The Notre Dame mythos more or less hides the fact that there's absolutely nothing that makes them special. Army and Navy happily took their places as mid majors. Notre Dame won't fall that far, but they should just enter a conference and shut the fuck up. What makes a half decent coach, anyways? Front butt's a half decent coach, in that he can recruit, but he can't coach. Willingham had a brief run of competency before his inability to recruit hampered his effort. Davie was "half-decent." The fact is that Notre Dame fans need to just temper their expectations and realize that they haven't been the powerhouse they imagine themselves to be since the 1960s. At some point the "return to Glory" crowd needs to realize just how far back that glory really was. Of their 11 national titles, 7 came in 1949 or before. The others were in 1966, 1973, 1977, and 1988. This isn't a fucking anomaly of mediocrity, this is reality. Notre Dame is not a powerhouse, and most likely never will be again.
YEAH, but ...
Quote from: SKO on November 16, 2009, 04:38:06 PM
Of their 11 national titles, 7 came in 1949 or before. The others were in 1966, 1973, 1977, and 1988. This isn't a fucking anomaly of mediocrity, this is reality. Notre Dame is not a powerhouse, and most likely never will be again.
Hah! You are wrong. They are a powerhouse and they will be again. Have you never seen Rudy? For shame!
It's almost like you are saying in order to be considered a major player in college football you need to win lots of games. We know that can't be true. Hell, the sport can't even be troubled to have a tournament at the end of the year to pick their champion. They just have a caucus. It's tradition, damnit!
What INCENTIVE does ND have to join a conference? They don't have to share revenue with anyone, can pick and choose their opponents, and negotiate their own TV contracts.
Plus, they win 6 games, and some bowl will always take them.
Quote from: Fork on November 16, 2009, 09:54:24 PM
What INCENTIVE does ND have to join a conference? They don't have to share revenue with anyone, can pick and choose their opponents, and negotiate their own TV contracts.
Plus, they win 6 games, and some bowl will always take them.
Well, pretty much any team that wins 6 games nowadays goes to a bowl game, including those outside of the BCS leagues (NIU went to the Independence Bowl at 6-6 last year).
But you're right about the revenue streams. As long as NBC is willing to re-up the deal to get the ND-Michigan and ND-USC ratings every other year, the "join a conference" stuff is just silly talk. Even when ND sucks, enough ND haters tune in for their weekly schadenfreude that the rest of the deal is worthwhile to the network. (I tune in for Tom Hammond's lip gloss myself).
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Quote from: Fork on November 16, 2009, 09:54:24 PM
What INCENTIVE does ND have to join a conference? They don't have to share revenue with anyone, can pick and choose their opponents, and negotiate their own TV contracts.
Plus, they win 6 games, and some bowl will always take them.
Well, pretty much any team that wins 6 games nowadays goes to a bowl game, including those outside of the BCS leagues (NIU went to the Independence Bowl at 6-6 last year).
But you're right about the revenue streams. As long as NBC is willing to re-up the deal to get the ND-Michigan and ND-USC ratings every other year, the "join a conference" stuff is just silly talk. Even when ND sucks, enough ND haters tune in for their weekly schadenfreude that the rest of the deal is worthwhile to the network. (I tune in for Tom Hammond's lip gloss myself).
The question I have is what is to force Michigan and/or USC from re-upping their deals with Notre Dame? The trend is to schedule cupcakes for the non-conference portion of the schedule (so as to ensure those 6 wins and a bowl payday). Michigan has also lost lots of luster and is may want to start scheduling easier, and USC may be slipping a little as well. Notre Dame's schedule could start to look a whole lot like Boise States
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Quote from: Reuschels_Jowls on November 16, 2009, 11:38:03 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 16, 2009, 09:54:24 PM
What INCENTIVE does ND have to join a conference? They don't have to share revenue with anyone, can pick and choose their opponents, and negotiate their own TV contracts.
Plus, they win 6 games, and some bowl will always take them.
Well, pretty much any team that wins 6 games nowadays goes to a bowl game, including those outside of the BCS leagues (NIU went to the Independence Bowl at 6-6 last year).
But you're right about the revenue streams. As long as NBC is willing to re-up the deal to get the ND-Michigan and ND-USC ratings every other year, the "join a conference" stuff is just silly talk. Even when ND sucks, enough ND haters tune in for their weekly schadenfreude that the rest of the deal is worthwhile to the network. (I tune in for Tom Hammond's lip gloss myself).
The question I have is what is to force Michigan and/or USC from re-upping their deals with Notre Dame? The trend is to schedule cupcakes for the non-conference portion of the schedule (so as to ensure those 6 wins and a bowl payday). Michigan has also lost lots of luster and is may want to start scheduling easier, and USC may be slipping a little as well. Notre Dame's schedule could start to look a whole lot like Boise States
ND doesn't qualify?
Quote from: SKO on November 16, 2009, 04:38:06 PM
Seriously? They had a decent run during the early years of the Lou Holth tenure, but they haven't been "the Yankees of college football" since the 1960s, if not earlier. The Notre Dame mythos more or less hides the fact that there's absolutely nothing that makes them special. Army and Navy happily took their places as mid majors. Notre Dame won't fall that far, but they should just enter a conference and shut the fuck up. What makes a half decent coach, anyways? Front butt's a half decent coach, in that he can recruit, but he can't coach. Willingham had a brief run of competency before his inability to recruit hampered his effort. Davie was "half-decent." The fact is that Notre Dame fans need to just temper their expectations and realize that they haven't been the powerhouse they imagine themselves to be since the 1960s. At some point the "return to Glory" crowd needs to realize just how far back that glory really was. Of their 11 national titles, 7 came in 1949 or before. The others were in 1966, 1973, 1977, and 1988. This isn't a fucking anomaly of mediocrity, this is reality. Notre Dame is not a powerhouse, and most likely never will be again.
Mostly THI, though I disagree that they can't be a "powerhouse" again. And by "powerhouse," I'm not saying they're in the National Championship every year, but they are at least in smelling distance of the top 10, and get the occasional (DESERVED, unlike the last two) BCS bid. Keep in mind that USC was shit during the 80's and early 90's until they brought in a coach that knew what the hell he was doing and was smart enough to turn his head when the boosters were buying a condo for Reggie Bush. And now they're clearly a powerhouse (this year excluded; tee-hee). I know ND likes to pretend they're "different," but if they want to win, they'd better deal with the fact that the landscape of college football has changed, and the "mystique" of ND pales (quite literally, in most cases) to the allure of many of the warm-weather schools. If they want to win and preserve their self-proclaimed "better-than-everyone-else"edness, they need a guy like Lou, who was smart enough to look like a saint, even though he was shady as hell.
Oh, who am I kidding? I don't even care if they never win a BCS championship. Just beat Southern Cal at least 60% of the time, for fuck's sake. Hell, I'll more than 0% of the time, at this point.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 17, 2009, 11:06:25 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 16, 2009, 04:38:06 PM
Seriously? They had a decent run during the early years of the Lou Holth tenure, but they haven't been "the Yankees of college football" since the 1960s, if not earlier. The Notre Dame mythos more or less hides the fact that there's absolutely nothing that makes them special. Army and Navy happily took their places as mid majors. Notre Dame won't fall that far, but they should just enter a conference and shut the fuck up. What makes a half decent coach, anyways? Front butt's a half decent coach, in that he can recruit, but he can't coach. Willingham had a brief run of competency before his inability to recruit hampered his effort. Davie was "half-decent." The fact is that Notre Dame fans need to just temper their expectations and realize that they haven't been the powerhouse they imagine themselves to be since the 1960s. At some point the "return to Glory" crowd needs to realize just how far back that glory really was. Of their 11 national titles, 7 came in 1949 or before. The others were in 1966, 1973, 1977, and 1988. This isn't a fucking anomaly of mediocrity, this is reality. Notre Dame is not a powerhouse, and most likely never will be again.
Mostly THI, though I disagree that they can't be a "powerhouse" again. And by "powerhouse," I'm not saying they're in the National Championship every year, but they are at least in smelling distance of the top 10, and get the occasional (DESERVED, unlike the last two) BCS bid. Keep in mind that USC was shit during the 80's and early 90's until they brought in a coach that knew what the hell he was doing and was smart enough to turn his head when the boosters were buying a condo for Reggie Bush. And now they're clearly a powerhouse (this year excluded; tee-hee). I know ND likes to pretend they're "different," but if they want to win, they'd better deal with the fact that the landscape of college football has changed, and the "mystique" of ND pales (quite literally, in most cases) to the allure of many of the warm-weather schools. If they want to win and preserve their self-proclaimed "better-than-everyone-else"edness, they need a guy like Lou, who was smart enough to look like a saint, even though he was shady as hell.
Oh, who am I kidding? I don't even care if they never win a BCS championship. Just beat Southern Cal at least 60% of the time, for fuck's sake. Hell, I'll more than 0% of the time, at this point.
The
whole more?
Quote from: thehawk on November 17, 2009, 10:36:51 AM
Quote from: Reuschels_Jowls on November 16, 2009, 11:38:03 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 16, 2009, 09:54:24 PM
What INCENTIVE does ND have to join a conference? They don't have to share revenue with anyone, can pick and choose their opponents, and negotiate their own TV contracts.
Plus, they win 6 games, and some bowl will always take them.
Well, pretty much any team that wins 6 games nowadays goes to a bowl game, including those outside of the BCS leagues (NIU went to the Independence Bowl at 6-6 last year).
But you're right about the revenue streams. As long as NBC is willing to re-up the deal to get the ND-Michigan and ND-USC ratings every other year, the "join a conference" stuff is just silly talk. Even when ND sucks, enough ND haters tune in for their weekly schadenfreude that the rest of the deal is worthwhile to the network. (I tune in for Tom Hammond's lip gloss myself).
The question I have is what is to force Michigan and/or USC from re-upping their deals with Notre Dame? The trend is to schedule cupcakes for the non-conference portion of the schedule (so as to ensure those 6 wins and a bowl payday). Michigan has also lost lots of luster and is may want to start scheduling easier, and USC may be slipping a little as well. Notre Dame's schedule could start to look a whole lot like Boise States
So Western Michigan, Eastern Michigan, and Delaware State are what exactly? Michigan's toughest opponent out of conference is ND. I'm sure that Michigan and USC make a pretty decent amount of cash off the matchup, so I doubt they will ever stop scheduling it, but who knows, maybe someone is itching for a home and home with a mid-major.
I think you're a little premature on USC. They lost a good amount of players and are starting a freshman qb. They'll be back in a season or two.
Quote from: Reuschels_Jowls on November 16, 2009, 11:38:03 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 16, 2009, 09:54:24 PM
What INCENTIVE does ND have to join a conference? They don't have to share revenue with anyone, can pick and choose their opponents, and negotiate their own TV contracts.
Plus, they win 6 games, and some bowl will always take them.
Well, pretty much any team that wins 6 games nowadays goes to a bowl game, including those outside of the BCS leagues (NIU went to the Independence Bowl at 6-6 last year).
But you're right about the revenue streams. As long as NBC is willing to re-up the deal to get the ND-Michigan and ND-USC ratings every other year, the "join a conference" stuff is just silly talk. Even when ND sucks, enough ND haters tune in for their weekly schadenfreude that the rest of the deal is worthwhile to the network. (I tune in for Tom Hammond's lip gloss myself).
ND gets 9 mil a year from NBC, while the SEC schools are getting 17 mil per year from ESPN and CBS. So, wouldn't they be in line to make more if they join a conference like the Big 10? Big 10 has their own network and adding ND would mean they can also generate more revenue from adding the conference championship game.
Quote from: air2300 on November 17, 2009, 12:56:09 PM
ND gets 9 mil a year from NBC, while the SEC schools are getting 17 mil per year from ESPN and CBS. So, wouldn't they be in line to make more if they join a conference like the Big 10? Big 10 has their own network and adding ND would mean they can also generate more revenue from adding the conference championship game.
$9 million to only ND vs. $17 million to 12 schools?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 17, 2009, 01:23:57 PM
Quote from: air2300 on November 17, 2009, 12:56:09 PM
ND gets 9 mil a year from NBC, while the SEC schools are getting 17 mil per year from ESPN and CBS. So, wouldn't they be in line to make more if they join a conference like the Big 10? Big 10 has their own network and adding ND would mean they can also generate more revenue from adding the conference championship game.
$9 million to only ND vs. $17 million to 12 schools?
You honestly think the SEC only gets $17 million total?
I'm not sure exactly what the $17 million number is from, but UF makes about $8 million just
from its local broadcasting rights before it gets its share of the ESPN/ABC+CBS deals which are
worth over $20 million a team. Those combine football+basketball (and women's sports that
no one cares about other than volleyball) so I'm not sure how to break it down. A shit ton
more than $9 million anyways.
Big Ten schools get $15 million+ from the Big Ten Network+CBS+ABC/ESPN.
Notre Dame isn't staying out the the Big Ten for money, it's for scheduling control and
probably racism knowing ND.
I'll keep my ridiculous ND rumors confined to this thread. You probably knew this one was coming. Ron Turner to be fired, Weis to O.C. of the Bears. I'll hang up and wait for your response.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 17, 2009, 02:11:46 PM
I'll keep my ridiculous ND rumors confined to this thread. You probably knew this one was coming. Ron Turner to be fired, Weis to O.C. of the Bears. I'll hang up and wait for your response.
I think David Haugh made that one up.
Quote from: Eli on November 17, 2009, 02:15:24 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 17, 2009, 02:11:46 PM
I'll keep my ridiculous ND rumors confined to this thread. You probably knew this one was coming. Ron Turner to be fired, Weis to O.C. of the Bears. I'll hang up and wait for your response.
I think David Haugh made that one up.
Someone on the ND BoD with ties to the Bears apparently suggested it, too. Someone better start making XXXXXL Ditka sweaters.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 17, 2009, 02:11:46 PM
I'll keep my ridiculous ND rumors confined to this thread. You probably knew this one was coming. Ron Turner to be fired, Weis to O.C. of the Bears. I'll hang up and wait for your response.
The rumor is certainly ridiculous. However, Weis is a classic candidate for good coordinator, lousy head coach.
Here's some more unfounded rumors. (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/1885241,CST-SPT-nd15.article)
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If athletic director Jack Swarbrick decides Charlie Weis' Notre Dame career is over after his fifth season, a source said Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops and Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz will be in the mix to replace him. The source said Stoops has told confidants he would be interested in talking to the Irish.
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If athletic director Jack Swarbrick decides Charlie Weis' Notre Dame career is over after his fifth season, a source said Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops and Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz will be in the mix to replace him. The source said Stoops has told confidants he would be interested in talking to the Irish.
Ferentz is more likely to return to the NFL. Stoops would be interesting.
If Ferentz went to ND, Stoops could go back home to Iowa.
I guess it's possible, but Ferentz signed a 7-year deal earlier this year that runs through 2015. He also has repeatedly said that he's happy in Iowa City (although, to be fair, every coach/player says that).
Don't a lot of college coaches get out clauses if certain opportunities, like alma mater, specific schools, or the NFL come up?
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If athletic director Jack Swarbrick decides Charlie Weis' Notre Dame career is over after his fifth season, a source said Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops and Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz will be in the mix to replace him. The source said Stoops has told confidants he would be interested in talking to the Irish.
Ferentz is more likely to return to the NFL. Stoops would be interesting.
If Ferentz went to ND, Stoops could go back home to Iowa.
Yeah, and then Coach K will finally return home and coach DePaul/Loyola/University of Illinois/Northwestern
Quote from: Fork on November 17, 2009, 03:02:22 PM
Don't a lot of college coaches get out clauses if certain opportunities, like alma mater, specific schools, or the NFL come up?
Maybe, but Ferentz has had NFL "opportunities" for the past four years or so. He turned down Michigan a few years back, so he doesn't seem to be after prestigious college jobs. And he went to school at UConn, which kind of sucks at football.
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If athletic director Jack Swarbrick decides Charlie Weis' Notre Dame career is over after his fifth season, a source said Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops and Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz will be in the mix to replace him. The source said Stoops has told confidants he would be interested in talking to the Irish.
Ferentz is more likely to return to the NFL. Stoops would be interesting.
If Ferentz went to ND, Stoops could go back home to Iowa.
The job won't be available for Stoops or Ferentz once Urban Meyer finally takes it.
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Quote from: Fork on November 17, 2009, 03:02:22 PM
Don't a lot of college coaches get out clauses if certain opportunities, like alma mater, specific schools, or the NFL come up?
Maybe, but Ferentz has had NFL "opportunities" for the past four years or so. He turned down Michigan a few years back, so he doesn't seem to be after prestigious college jobs. And he went to school at UConn, which kind of sucks at football.
These University of Iowa jokes practically tell themselves.
Quote from: ChuckD on November 17, 2009, 02:44:48 PM
I guess it's possible, but Ferentz signed a 7-year deal earlier this year that runs through 2015. He also has repeatedly said that he's happy in Iowa City (although, to be fair, every coach/player says that).
...until his kids are done with high school.
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Quote from: Fork on November 17, 2009, 03:02:22 PM
Don't a lot of college coaches get out clauses if certain opportunities, like alma mater, specific schools, or the NFL come up?
Maybe, but Ferentz has had NFL "opportunities" for the past four years or so. He turned down Michigan a few years back, so he doesn't seem to be after prestigious college jobs. And he went to school at UConn, which kind of sucks at football.
These University of Iowa jokes practically tell themselves.
That's actually a Michigan joke.
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Quote from: Fork on November 17, 2009, 03:02:22 PM
Don't a lot of college coaches get out clauses if certain opportunities, like alma mater, specific schools, or the NFL come up?
Maybe, but Ferentz has had NFL "opportunities" for the past four years or so. He turned down Michigan a few years back, so he doesn't seem to be after prestigious college jobs. And he went to school at UConn, which kind of sucks at football.
This. Ferentz was a candidate for the Bears job in 2004 and turned it down, along with several other NFL possibilities. He's got a good gig in Iowa. He's well paid, the fanbase is loyal and yet patient enough to weather a few mediocre seasons, his system works there. I don't see him leaving.
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Quote from: Fork on November 17, 2009, 03:02:22 PM
Don't a lot of college coaches get out clauses if certain opportunities, like alma mater, specific schools, or the NFL come up?
Maybe, but Ferentz has had NFL "opportunities" for the past four years or so. He turned down Michigan a few years back, so he doesn't seem to be after prestigious college jobs. And he went to school at UConn, which kind of sucks at football.
Ferentz was mentioned a lot when Ty O'Learingham and Weis were hired, but I haven't heard any mention of him this time. Ferentz is a good coach, but, like you, I don't understand why he'd want to leave his gig for Notre Dame.
I think SKO should coach Notre Dame.
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I guess it's possible, but Ferentz signed a 7-year deal earlier this year that runs through 2015. He also has repeatedly said that he's happy in Iowa City (although, to be fair, every coach/player says that).
...until his kids are done with high school.
Which is in two years... Why re-up for seven years if that's the plan? Why not take a two year deal at a premium and reevaluate the NFL openings then? Maybe I'm biased, but he just seems to like where he is. He's been at Iowa for twenty years now. And he definitely doesn't seem to be the type of person who's after the spotlight. I'm guessing he's stayed at Iowa because it fits his personality. It's a pretty low-key gig and he still gets a chance to run a competitive team on the field in a major conference.
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I think SKO should coach Notre Dame.
I smell a sitcom!
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If athletic director Jack Swarbrick decides Charlie Weis' Notre Dame career is over after his fifth season, a source said Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops and Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz will be in the mix to replace him. The source said Stoops has told confidants he would be interested in talking to the Irish.
Ferentz is more likely to return to the NFL. Stoops would be interesting.
If Ferentz went to ND, Stoops could go back home to Iowa.
Yeah, and then Coach K will finally return home and coach DePaul/Loyola/University of Illinois/Northwestern
One look at that glorified high school gym known as Welsh-Ryan and he'd be back in the cab to ORD.
/ohhowihatewelshryanarena
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I guess it's possible, but Ferentz signed a 7-year deal earlier this year that runs through 2015. He also has repeatedly said that he's happy in Iowa City (although, to be fair, every coach/player says that).
...until his kids are done with high school.
Which is in two years... Why re-up for seven years if that's the plan? Why not take a two year deal at a premium and reevaluate the NFL openings then? Maybe I'm biased, but he just seems to like where he is. He's been at Iowa for twenty years now. And he definitely doesn't seem to be the type of person who's after the spotlight. I'm guessing he's stayed at Iowa because it fits his personality. It's a pretty low-key gig and he still gets a chance to run a competitive team on the field in a major conference.
You do the long deal because it gets you more money if you get fired.
But, I think you are right. I think he's there and not leaving. Especially not after this year. He's only losing 7 starters, none of them the difference makers. And he'll be getting RBs back. Given that the schedule should put OSU and PSU in Iowa City next year, they'll be Big 10 favorites and top 10 pre-season.
All the pieces are in place for 2010. Not the year to leave.
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Quote from: ChuckD on November 17, 2009, 02:44:48 PM
I guess it's possible, but Ferentz signed a 7-year deal earlier this year that runs through 2015. He also has repeatedly said that he's happy in Iowa City (although, to be fair, every coach/player says that).
...until his kids are done with high school.
Which is in two years... Why re-up for seven years if that's the plan? Why not take a two year deal at a premium and reevaluate the NFL openings then? Maybe I'm biased, but he just seems to like where he is. He's been at Iowa for twenty years now. And he definitely doesn't seem to be the type of person who's after the spotlight. I'm guessing he's stayed at Iowa because it fits his personality. It's a pretty low-key gig and he still gets a chance to run a competitive team on the field in a major conference.
You do the long deal because it gets you more money if you get fired.
But, I think you are right. I think he's there and not leaving. Especially not after this year. He's only losing 7 starters, none of them the difference makers. And he'll be getting RBs back. Given that the schedule should put OSU and PSU in Iowa City next year, they'll be Big 10 favorites and top 10 pre-season.
All the pieces are in place for 2010. Not the year to leave.
Seriously, they're going to dominate the fuck out of Rice in the Carquest Bowl.
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Quote from: Fork on November 17, 2009, 03:02:22 PM
Don't a lot of college coaches get out clauses if certain opportunities, like alma mater, specific schools, or the NFL come up?
Maybe, but Ferentz has had NFL "opportunities" for the past four years or so. He turned down Michigan a few years back, so he doesn't seem to be after prestigious college jobs. And he went to school at UConn, which kind of sucks at football.
These University of Iowa jokes practically tell themselves.
That's actually a Michigan joke.
Nope, still an Iowa joke.
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 17, 2009, 03:18:30 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 17, 2009, 03:17:11 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on November 17, 2009, 03:09:03 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 17, 2009, 03:02:22 PM
Don't a lot of college coaches get out clauses if certain opportunities, like alma mater, specific schools, or the NFL come up?
Maybe, but Ferentz has had NFL "opportunities" for the past four years or so. He turned down Michigan a few years back, so he doesn't seem to be after prestigious college jobs. And he went to school at UConn, which kind of sucks at football.
These University of Iowa jokes practically tell themselves.
That's actually a Michigan joke.
Nope, still an Iowa joke.
Isn't it more of a non-SEC joke?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 17, 2009, 01:23:57 PM
Quote from: air2300 on November 17, 2009, 12:56:09 PM
ND gets 9 mil a year from NBC, while the SEC schools are getting 17 mil per year from ESPN and CBS. So, wouldn't they be in line to make more if they join a conference like the Big 10? Big 10 has their own network and adding ND would mean they can also generate more revenue from adding the conference championship game.
$9 million to only ND vs. $17 million to 12 schools?
http://barkingcarnival.com/2009/08/04/the-sec-tv-contract-what-it-means-to-the-big-12/
It is $17 million per school.
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If athletic director Jack Swarbrick decides Charlie Weis' Notre Dame career is over after his fifth season, a source said Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops and Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz will be in the mix to replace him. The source said Stoops has told confidants he would be interested in talking to the Irish.
Ferentz is more likely to return to the NFL. Stoops would be interesting.
If Ferentz went to ND, Stoops could go back home to Iowa.
Yeah, and then Coach K will finally return home and coach DePaul/Loyola/University of Illinois/Northwestern Indiana
Knight Disciple'd.
It seems that no matter where you're from, you know somebody who thinks Coach K secretly wants to coach their damn team.
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If athletic director Jack Swarbrick decides Charlie Weis' Notre Dame career is over after his fifth season, a source said Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops and Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz will be in the mix to replace him. The source said Stoops has told confidants he would be interested in talking to the Irish.
Ferentz is more likely to return to the NFL. Stoops would be interesting.
If Ferentz went to ND, Stoops could go back home to Iowa.
Yeah, and then Coach K will finally return home and coach DePaul/Loyola/University of Illinois/Northwestern
One look at that glorified high school gym known as Welsh-Ryan and he'd be back in the cab to ORD.
/ohhowihatewelshryanarena
Who and what glorified it?
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If athletic director Jack Swarbrick decides Charlie Weis' Notre Dame career is over after his fifth season, a source said Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops and Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz will be in the mix to replace him. The source said Stoops has told confidants he would be interested in talking to the Irish.
Ferentz is more likely to return to the NFL. Stoops would be interesting.
If Ferentz went to ND, Stoops could go back home to Iowa.
Yeah, and then Coach K will finally return home and coach DePaul/Loyola/University of Illinois/Northwestern
One look at that glorified high school gym known as Welsh-Ryan and he'd be back in the cab to ORD.
/ohhowihatewelshryanarena
Who and what glorified it?
Apex'd
http://deadspin.com/5407120/the-charlie-weis-death-watch-flies-under-the-radar
Quote from: R-V on November 18, 2009, 08:53:26 AM
http://deadspin.com/5407120/the-charlie-weis-death-watch-flies-under-the-radar
If you read the comments, you'll see that not only does ND own a private jet (but they are a private school so they can do what they want), but so do some state universities. Da hell?
Can someone, anyone, please get around to replacing Ron Zook as soon as possible?
Quote from: BC on November 18, 2009, 10:50:54 PM
Can someone, anyone, please get around to replacing Ron Zook as soon as possible?
Did Illinois football lose today?
Quote from: C-C-Cats on November 18, 2009, 10:52:13 PM
Quote from: BC on November 18, 2009, 10:50:54 PM
Can someone, anyone, please get around to replacing Ron Zook as soon as possible?
Did Illinois football lose today?
Nope, but it feels like it.
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Quote from: C-C-Cats on November 18, 2009, 10:52:13 PM
Quote from: BC on November 18, 2009, 10:50:54 PM
Can someone, anyone, please get around to replacing Ron Zook as soon as possible?
Did Illinois football lose today?
Nope, but it feels like it.
Just trying to figure out why you want Zook fired ASAP on a Wednesday of a bye week.
Quote from: C-C-Cats on November 19, 2009, 12:21:05 AM
Quote from: BC on November 18, 2009, 10:56:05 PM
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Quote from: BC on November 18, 2009, 10:50:54 PM
Can someone, anyone, please get around to replacing Ron Zook as soon as possible?
Did Illinois football lose today?
Nope, but it feels like it.
Just trying to figure out why you want Zook fired ASAP on a Wednesday of a bye week.
I want action, darn it!
The only positive I can bring to Desipio right now is that I am FINALLY getting out of Missouri to take a job back in the Land of Lincoln.
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Quote from: BC on November 18, 2009, 10:50:54 PM
Can someone, anyone, please get around to replacing Ron Zook as soon as possible?
Did Illinois football lose today?
Nope, but it feels like it.
Just trying to figure out why you want Zook fired ASAP on a Wednesday of a bye week.
I want action, darn it!
The only positive I can bring to Desipio right now is that I am FINALLY getting out of Missouri to take a job back in the Land of Lincoln.
Positive for whom?
Quote from: BC on November 19, 2009, 01:09:47 AM
The only positive I can bring to Desipio right now is that I am FINALLY getting out of Missouri to take a job back in the Land of Lincoln.
The average IQ of Missourians and Illinoisians both just fell.
Quote from: BC on November 19, 2009, 01:09:47 AM
The only positive I can bring to Desipio right now is that I am FINALLY getting out of Missouri to take a job back in the Land of Lincoln.
Oh, right. Since we were all talking about college football, it's relevant to bring up your job switch. It's clear that you don't like bringing attention (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7095.msg197938#msg197938) to yourself.
Quote from: Eli on November 19, 2009, 08:47:24 AM
Quote from: BC on November 19, 2009, 01:09:47 AM
The only positive I can bring to Desipio right now is that I am FINALLY getting out of Missouri to take a job back in the Land of Lincoln.
Oh, right. Since we were all talking about college football, it's relevant to bring up your job switch. It's clear that you don't like bringing attention (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7095.msg197938#msg197938) to yourself.
Does Desipio have a "like" button?
Quote from: Ivy6 on November 19, 2009, 08:55:15 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 19, 2009, 08:47:24 AM
Quote from: BC on November 19, 2009, 01:09:47 AM
The only positive I can bring to Desipio right now is that I am FINALLY getting out of Missouri to take a job back in the Land of Lincoln.
Oh, right. Since we were all talking about college football, it's relevant to bring up your job switch. It's clear that you don't like bringing attention (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7095.msg197938#msg197938) to yourself.
Does Desipio have a "like" button?
A lot of times I find myself looking for a reddit-style upvote button.
Nice tip (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/11/tony-dungy-not-interested-in-any-coaching-job-anywhere-including-notre-dame.html), stupid friend.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on November 19, 2009, 03:34:21 PM
Nice tip (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/11/tony-dungy-not-interested-in-any-coaching-job-anywhere-including-notre-dame.html), stupid friend.
You need to stop hanging out with Regis Philbin.
Well the coaches did their best to give Wisconsin multiple chances at the end (QB run on 3rd down instead of a short pass when you need one first down to win? really?), but that was a nice win for the Cats.
Quote from: C-C-Cats on November 21, 2009, 05:47:19 PM
Well the coaches did their best to give Wisconsin multiple chances at the end (QB run on 3rd down instead of a short pass when you need one first down to win? really?), but that was a nice win for the Cats.
I had no problem with the QB run there, as it was somewhat disguised, and it did run 40+ seconds of the clock, at a time where there would otherwise been 1:30 left in the game had a ball been dropped. Northwestern has really stepped it up at the end of the season (unlike Michigan, ND and the Bears)
Quote from: thehawk on November 21, 2009, 07:37:39 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on November 21, 2009, 05:47:19 PM
Well the coaches did their best to give Wisconsin multiple chances at the end (QB run on 3rd down instead of a short pass when you need one first down to win? really?), but that was a nice win for the Cats.
I had no problem with the QB run there, as it was somewhat disguised, and it did run 40+ seconds of the clock, at a time where there would otherwise been 1:30 left in the game had a ball been dropped. Northwestern has really stepped it up at the end of the season (unlike Michigan, ND and the Bears)
Yeah, admittedly it could go either way, but I would rather trust the QB with the highest completion percentage in the conference to get that one first down you need to win the game with a short pass, which is all NU does according to most commentators ("dink and dunk"). I'm assuming you were there, how was it?
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Quote from: thehawk on November 21, 2009, 07:37:39 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on November 21, 2009, 05:47:19 PM
Well the coaches did their best to give Wisconsin multiple chances at the end (QB run on 3rd down instead of a short pass when you need one first down to win? really?), but that was a nice win for the Cats.
I had no problem with the QB run there, as it was somewhat disguised, and it did run 40+ seconds of the clock, at a time where there would otherwise been 1:30 left in the game had a ball been dropped. Northwestern has really stepped it up at the end of the season (unlike Michigan, ND and the Bears)
Yeah, admittedly it could go either way, but I would rather trust the QB with the highest completion percentage in the conference to get that one first down you need to win the game with a short pass, which is all NU does according to most commentators ("dink and dunk"). I'm assuming you were there, how was it?
I was there, and it was awesome. Great atmosphere, with loads of folks in both purple and red, and the crowd rocked, and the students rushed the field when it was over .
Funny you should mention the dinking and dunking, as Kafka had several long strikes, and the Cats pulled off a 40+ yard halfback option as well.
One reason why they may have decided not to throw on that 3rd down was that Wisconsin started playing the receivers very close (and the refs were not calling PI), so the call made sense to all of us who were there.
What the crap? Arkansas has looked pretty good lately.
Quote from: JD on November 21, 2009, 10:03:23 PM
What the crap? Arkansas has looked pretty good lately.
Your old coach from Fayeteville did his damndest to piss away an upset of LSU by going for two early in the third quarter. I was kind of hoping LSU woulda pulled that game out just because of it.
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Quote from: JD on November 21, 2009, 10:03:23 PM
What the crap? Arkansas has looked pretty good lately.
Your old coach from Fayeteville did his damndest to piss away an upset of LSU by going for two early in the third quarter. I was kind of hoping LSU woulda pulled that game out just because of it.
But since they didn't we can all point and laugh at *IAN.
Quote from: MAD on November 21, 2009, 10:25:45 PM
Quote from: JD on November 21, 2009, 10:03:23 PM
What the crap? Arkansas has looked pretty good lately.
Your old coach from Fayeteville did his damndest to piss away an upset of LSU by going for two early in the third quarter. I was kind of hoping LSU woulda pulled that game out just because of it.
That guy...that guy is not a very good coach. I don't think he'll make it to the end of next season in Oxford.
Quote from: JD on November 21, 2009, 10:03:23 PM
What the crap? Arkansas has looked pretty good lately.
They have Ryan Mallet. He has what one would call "a fucking cannon" for an arm. He's only a redshirt sophomore but he's thrown 28 tds and 5 ints. If he aint the first pick in the 2011 or 2012 draft, I'll be shocked.
TJ Brown should start a soccer thread.
Cuz that's the only sport IU can beat Purdue in.
HA HA HA HA HAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
Cal beat Stanfoo. Cal is 8 and 3 on the season. But I wouldn't care if they were 1 and 10 if that one was Stanfoo. At the start of the season I was bragging about Jahvid Best, who suffered his second concussion this season in a spectacular wipeout two weeks ago while scoring a touchdown. The second string back, Shane Vereen, carried the ball 42 times last night for 193 yards, outshining Stanfoo's Toby Gerhart, who is an outstanding football player and will have a very good professional career, if he doesn't decide to play baseball instead. (Forgive the "wipeout" comment, dude, I am a Californian now.)
Yeah, well, my high school's football team stomped the living shit out of RV's (and possibly Morph's?) alma mater on Saturday, so I got that.
PEORIA CLASS, indeed.
Quote from: SKO on November 22, 2009, 12:05:18 AM
Quote from: JD on November 21, 2009, 10:03:23 PM
What the crap? Arkansas has looked pretty good lately.
They have Ryan Mallet. He has what one would call "a fucking cannon" for an arm. He's only a redshirt sophomore but he's thrown 28 tds and 5 ints. If he aint the first pick in the 2011 or 2012 draft, I'll be shocked.
If he plays well against LSU and then the bowl game, then he's gone after THIS season.
Quote from: CT III on November 22, 2009, 02:20:35 PM
Yeah, well, my high school's football team stomped the living shit out of RV's (and possibly Morph's?) alma mater on Saturday, so I got that.
PEORIA CLASS, indeed.
They were indeed abused like a handsome altar boy. Five turnovers in the first half, seven for the game. Stupid Joliet Catholic and their neverending powerhouse.
Quote from: CBStew on November 22, 2009, 10:28:22 AM
Cal beat Stanfoo. Cal is 8 and 3 on the season. But I wouldn't care if they were 1 and 10 if that one was Stanfoo. At the start of the season I was bragging about Jahvid Best, who suffered his second concussion this season in a spectacular wipeout two weeks ago while scoring a touchdown. The second string back, Shane Vereen, carried the ball 42 times last night for 193 yards, outshining Stanfoo's Toby Gerhart, who is an outstanding football player and will have a very good professional career, if he doesn't decide to play baseball instead. (Forgive the "wipeout" comment, dude, I am a Californian now.)
Yet another in a long line of successful white NFL Running Backs.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 23, 2009, 10:54:06 AM
Quote from: CBStew on November 22, 2009, 10:28:22 AM
Cal beat Stanfoo. Cal is 8 and 3 on the season. But I wouldn't care if they were 1 and 10 if that one was Stanfoo. At the start of the season I was bragging about Jahvid Best, who suffered his second concussion this season in a spectacular wipeout two weeks ago while scoring a touchdown. The second string back, Shane Vereen, carried the ball 42 times last night for 193 yards, outshining Stanfoo's Toby Gerhart, who is an outstanding football player and will have a very good professional career, if he doesn't decide to play baseball instead. (Forgive the "wipeout" comment, dude, I am a Californian now.)
Yet another in a long line of successful white NFL Running Backs.
We get it, you love black people.
Quote from: IrishYeti on November 23, 2009, 10:55:43 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 23, 2009, 10:54:06 AM
Quote from: CBStew on November 22, 2009, 10:28:22 AM
Cal beat Stanfoo. Cal is 8 and 3 on the season. But I wouldn't care if they were 1 and 10 if that one was Stanfoo. At the start of the season I was bragging about Jahvid Best, who suffered his second concussion this season in a spectacular wipeout two weeks ago while scoring a touchdown. The second string back, Shane Vereen, carried the ball 42 times last night for 193 yards, outshining Stanfoo's Toby Gerhart, who is an outstanding football player and will have a very good professional career, if he doesn't decide to play baseball instead. (Forgive the "wipeout" comment, dude, I am a Californian now.)
Yet another in a long line of successful white NFL Running Backs.
We get it, you love black people.
Only if they're from Detroit.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 23, 2009, 10:54:06 AM
Quote from: CBStew on November 22, 2009, 10:28:22 AM
Cal beat Stanfoo. Cal is 8 and 3 on the season. But I wouldn't care if they were 1 and 10 if that one was Stanfoo. At the start of the season I was bragging about Jahvid Best, who suffered his second concussion this season in a spectacular wipeout two weeks ago while scoring a touchdown. The second string back, Shane Vereen, carried the ball 42 times last night for 193 yards, outshining Stanfoo's Toby Gerhart, who is an outstanding football player and will have a very good professional career, if he doesn't decide to play baseball instead. (Forgive the "wipeout" comment, dude, I am a Californian now.)
Yet another in a long line of successful white NFL Running Backs.
He's Touchdown Tommy Vardell reincarnate.
Quote from: Shooter on November 23, 2009, 02:14:58 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 23, 2009, 10:54:06 AM
Quote from: CBStew on November 22, 2009, 10:28:22 AM
Cal beat Stanfoo. Cal is 8 and 3 on the season. But I wouldn't care if they were 1 and 10 if that one was Stanfoo. At the start of the season I was bragging about Jahvid Best, who suffered his second concussion this season in a spectacular wipeout two weeks ago while scoring a touchdown. The second string back, Shane Vereen, carried the ball 42 times last night for 193 yards, outshining Stanfoo's Toby Gerhart, who is an outstanding football player and will have a very good professional career, if he doesn't decide to play baseball instead. (Forgive the "wipeout" comment, dude, I am a Californian now.)
Yet another in a long line of successful white NFL Running Backs.
He's Touchdown Tommy Vardell reincarnate.
Who was Brad Muster reincarnate. I
Quote from: BBM on November 23, 2009, 04:20:31 PM
Quote from: Shooter on November 23, 2009, 02:14:58 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 23, 2009, 10:54:06 AM
Quote from: CBStew on November 22, 2009, 10:28:22 AM
Cal beat Stanfoo. Cal is 8 and 3 on the season. But I wouldn't care if they were 1 and 10 if that one was Stanfoo. At the start of the season I was bragging about Jahvid Best, who suffered his second concussion this season in a spectacular wipeout two weeks ago while scoring a touchdown. The second string back, Shane Vereen, carried the ball 42 times last night for 193 yards, outshining Stanfoo's Toby Gerhart, who is an outstanding football player and will have a very good professional career, if he doesn't decide to play baseball instead. (Forgive the "wipeout" comment, dude, I am a Californian now.)
Yet another in a long line of successful white NFL Running Backs.
He's Touchdown Tommy Vardell reincarnate.
Who was Brad Muster reincarnate. I
You do?
Quote from: PenFoe on November 23, 2009, 04:26:48 PM
Quote from: BBM on November 23, 2009, 04:20:31 PM
Quote from: Shooter on November 23, 2009, 02:14:58 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 23, 2009, 10:54:06 AM
Quote from: CBStew on November 22, 2009, 10:28:22 AM
Cal beat Stanfoo. Cal is 8 and 3 on the season. But I wouldn't care if they were 1 and 10 if that one was Stanfoo. At the start of the season I was bragging about Jahvid Best, who suffered his second concussion this season in a spectacular wipeout two weeks ago while scoring a touchdown. The second string back, Shane Vereen, carried the ball 42 times last night for 193 yards, outshining Stanfoo's Toby Gerhart, who is an outstanding football player and will have a very good professional career, if he doesn't decide to play baseball instead. (Forgive the "wipeout" comment, dude, I am a Californian now.)
Yet another in a long line of successful white NFL Running Backs.
He's Touchdown Tommy Vardell reincarnate.
Who was Brad Muster reincarnate. I
You do?
He meant to say "Ay! Ay! Ay!" Or possibly, "Aye, matey."
I'm posting this, but Orange Guy is the source (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-24-notre-dame-clausen-chicago-nov24,0,5342095.story), and you just never know with that guy:
QuoteStarting quarterback and team captain Jimmy Clausen was involved in an altercation outside a South Bend, Ind., bar in the hours following a double-overtime loss to Connecticut on Saturday, taking a punch to the face in the incident, sources told the Tribune.
The Irish QB suffered at least one black eye as a result of the punch, according to a source. A spokesman for Charlie Weis said he could not reach the Irish coach for comment Monday night.
A South Bend police spokesman said Monday no police reports were filed over the weekend that involved Clausen.
The particulars of the confrontation are thus unclear, though a person answering the phone at CJ's, the bar in question, said the incident "absolutely did not take place inside the bar."
WGN-AM 720's David Kaplan reported that it occurred at 2:30 a.m. Sunday.
That CJ's employee, who identified himself as a bartender, said Clausen and family members were at the bar following the Connecticut loss -- along with other Irish upperclassmen apparently gathering after their final home game at Notre Dame Stadium.
It is another in an assortment of off-field incidents involving the Irish's starting quarterback that date back to his first year on campus. He was cited in June 2007 for transporting alcohol as a minor. Then, in August 2008, pictures appeared on the Web site "The Big Lead" depicting a not-yet-21 Clausen and three teammates at what the site labeled "Beer Olympics."
Quote from: C-C-Cats on November 23, 2009, 10:38:07 PM
I'm posting this, but Orange Guy is the source (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-24-notre-dame-clausen-chicago-nov24,0,5342095.story), and you just never know with that guy:
QuoteStarting quarterback and team captain Jimmy Clausen was involved in an altercation outside a South Bend, Ind., bar in the hours following a double-overtime loss to Connecticut on Saturday, taking a punch to the face in the incident, sources told the Tribune.
The Irish QB suffered at least one black eye as a result of the punch, according to a source. A spokesman for Charlie Weis said he could not reach the Irish coach for comment Monday night.
A South Bend police spokesman said Monday no police reports were filed over the weekend that involved Clausen.
The particulars of the confrontation are thus unclear, though a person answering the phone at CJ's, the bar in question, said the incident "absolutely did not take place inside the bar."
WGN-AM 720's David Kaplan reported that it occurred at 2:30 a.m. Sunday.
That CJ's employee, who identified himself as a bartender, said Clausen and family members were at the bar following the Connecticut loss -- along with other Irish upperclassmen apparently gathering after their final home game at Notre Dame Stadium.
It is another in an assortment of off-field incidents involving the Irish's starting quarterback that date back to his first year on campus. He was cited in June 2007 for transporting alcohol as a minor. Then, in August 2008, pictures appeared on the Web site "The Big Lead" depicting a not-yet-21 Clausen and three teammates at what the site labeled "Beer Olympics."
Will Kaplan's moral compass ever lead us astray? This man can sense questionable activity from miles away. He knows what is best for us.
Quote from: Slack-E on November 23, 2009, 10:55:19 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on November 23, 2009, 10:38:07 PM
I'm posting this, but Orange Guy is the source (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-24-notre-dame-clausen-chicago-nov24,0,5342095.story), and you just never know with that guy:
QuoteStarting quarterback and team captain Jimmy Clausen was involved in an altercation outside a South Bend, Ind., bar in the hours following a double-overtime loss to Connecticut on Saturday, taking a punch to the face in the incident, sources told the Tribune.
The Irish QB suffered at least one black eye as a result of the punch, according to a source. A spokesman for Charlie Weis said he could not reach the Irish coach for comment Monday night.
A South Bend police spokesman said Monday no police reports were filed over the weekend that involved Clausen.
The particulars of the confrontation are thus unclear, though a person answering the phone at CJ's, the bar in question, said the incident "absolutely did not take place inside the bar."
WGN-AM 720's David Kaplan reported that it occurred at 2:30 a.m. Sunday.
That CJ's employee, who identified himself as a bartender, said Clausen and family members were at the bar following the Connecticut loss -- along with other Irish upperclassmen apparently gathering after their final home game at Notre Dame Stadium.
It is another in an assortment of off-field incidents involving the Irish's starting quarterback that date back to his first year on campus. He was cited in June 2007 for transporting alcohol as a minor. Then, in August 2008, pictures appeared on the Web site "The Big Lead" depicting a not-yet-21 Clausen and three teammates at what the site labeled "Beer Olympics."
Will Kaplan's moral compass ever lead us astray? This man can sense questionable activity from miles away. He knows what is best for us.
Hey, don't gripe. I'd rather have Mr. Bronzing Lotion raging about those rotten college students partaking of the devil-water than, say, having him actually try to discuss sports.
Me, I'm simply outraged that Clausen didn't have the good sense to get into a fracas outside Club 23, the only respectable bar in that town. Show some class, son.
Quote from: Slack-E on November 23, 2009, 10:55:19 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on November 23, 2009, 10:38:07 PM
I'm posting this, but Orange Guy is the source (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-24-notre-dame-clausen-chicago-nov24,0,5342095.story), and you just never know with that guy:
QuoteStarting quarterback and team captain Jimmy Clausen was involved in an altercation outside a South Bend, Ind., bar in the hours following a double-overtime loss to Connecticut on Saturday, taking a punch to the face in the incident, sources told the Tribune.
The Irish QB suffered at least one black eye as a result of the punch, according to a source. A spokesman for Charlie Weis said he could not reach the Irish coach for comment Monday night.
A South Bend police spokesman said Monday no police reports were filed over the weekend that involved Clausen.
The particulars of the confrontation are thus unclear, though a person answering the phone at CJ's, the bar in question, said the incident "absolutely did not take place inside the bar."
WGN-AM 720's David Kaplan reported that it occurred at 2:30 a.m. Sunday.
That CJ's employee, who identified himself as a bartender, said Clausen and family members were at the bar following the Connecticut loss -- along with other Irish upperclassmen apparently gathering after their final home game at Notre Dame Stadium.
It is another in an assortment of off-field incidents involving the Irish's starting quarterback that date back to his first year on campus. He was cited in June 2007 for transporting alcohol as a minor. Then, in August 2008, pictures appeared on the Web site "The Big Lead" depicting a not-yet-21 Clausen and three teammates at what the site labeled "Beer Olympics."
Will Kaplan's moral compass ever lead us astray? This man can sense questionable activity from miles away. He knows what is best for us.
He's a big Daley kiss-ass so that sounds about right.
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 23, 2009, 11:21:34 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on November 23, 2009, 10:55:19 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on November 23, 2009, 10:38:07 PM
I'm posting this, but Orange Guy is the source (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-24-notre-dame-clausen-chicago-nov24,0,5342095.story), and you just never know with that guy:
QuoteStarting quarterback and team captain Jimmy Clausen was involved in an altercation outside a South Bend, Ind., bar in the hours following a double-overtime loss to Connecticut on Saturday, taking a punch to the face in the incident, sources told the Tribune.
The Irish QB suffered at least one black eye as a result of the punch, according to a source. A spokesman for Charlie Weis said he could not reach the Irish coach for comment Monday night.
A South Bend police spokesman said Monday no police reports were filed over the weekend that involved Clausen.
The particulars of the confrontation are thus unclear, though a person answering the phone at CJ's, the bar in question, said the incident "absolutely did not take place inside the bar."
WGN-AM 720's David Kaplan reported that it occurred at 2:30 a.m. Sunday.
That CJ's employee, who identified himself as a bartender, said Clausen and family members were at the bar following the Connecticut loss -- along with other Irish upperclassmen apparently gathering after their final home game at Notre Dame Stadium.
It is another in an assortment of off-field incidents involving the Irish's starting quarterback that date back to his first year on campus. He was cited in June 2007 for transporting alcohol as a minor. Then, in August 2008, pictures appeared on the Web site "The Big Lead" depicting a not-yet-21 Clausen and three teammates at what the site labeled "Beer Olympics."
Will Kaplan's moral compass ever lead us astray? This man can sense questionable activity from miles away. He knows what is best for us.
He's a big Daley kiss-ass so that sounds about right.
That makes as much sense as all of your other ersatz Cook County analogies.
Quote from: MAD on November 24, 2009, 07:51:37 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 23, 2009, 11:21:34 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on November 23, 2009, 10:55:19 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on November 23, 2009, 10:38:07 PM
I'm posting this, but Orange Guy is the source (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-24-notre-dame-clausen-chicago-nov24,0,5342095.story), and you just never know with that guy:
QuoteStarting quarterback and team captain Jimmy Clausen was involved in an altercation outside a South Bend, Ind., bar in the hours following a double-overtime loss to Connecticut on Saturday, taking a punch to the face in the incident, sources told the Tribune.
The Irish QB suffered at least one black eye as a result of the punch, according to a source. A spokesman for Charlie Weis said he could not reach the Irish coach for comment Monday night.
A South Bend police spokesman said Monday no police reports were filed over the weekend that involved Clausen.
The particulars of the confrontation are thus unclear, though a person answering the phone at CJ's, the bar in question, said the incident "absolutely did not take place inside the bar."
WGN-AM 720's David Kaplan reported that it occurred at 2:30 a.m. Sunday.
That CJ's employee, who identified himself as a bartender, said Clausen and family members were at the bar following the Connecticut loss -- along with other Irish upperclassmen apparently gathering after their final home game at Notre Dame Stadium.
It is another in an assortment of off-field incidents involving the Irish's starting quarterback that date back to his first year on campus. He was cited in June 2007 for transporting alcohol as a minor. Then, in August 2008, pictures appeared on the Web site "The Big Lead" depicting a not-yet-21 Clausen and three teammates at what the site labeled "Beer Olympics."
Will Kaplan's moral compass ever lead us astray? This man can sense questionable activity from miles away. He knows what is best for us.
He's a big Daley kiss-ass so that sounds about right.
That makes as much sense as all of your other ersatz Cook County analogies.
People who talk on TV about what a great mayor Daley is and how lucky we are to have him are probably deeply afflicted with douche. Kaplan is one of those people. It stands to reason that he'd play moral compass and condescend to the rest of us like he does.
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 24, 2009, 08:19:49 AM
Quote from: MAD on November 24, 2009, 07:51:37 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 23, 2009, 11:21:34 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on November 23, 2009, 10:55:19 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on November 23, 2009, 10:38:07 PM
I'm posting this, but Orange Guy is the source (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-24-notre-dame-clausen-chicago-nov24,0,5342095.story), and you just never know with that guy:
QuoteStarting quarterback and team captain Jimmy Clausen was involved in an altercation outside a South Bend, Ind., bar in the hours following a double-overtime loss to Connecticut on Saturday, taking a punch to the face in the incident, sources told the Tribune.
The Irish QB suffered at least one black eye as a result of the punch, according to a source. A spokesman for Charlie Weis said he could not reach the Irish coach for comment Monday night.
A South Bend police spokesman said Monday no police reports were filed over the weekend that involved Clausen.
The particulars of the confrontation are thus unclear, though a person answering the phone at CJ's, the bar in question, said the incident "absolutely did not take place inside the bar."
WGN-AM 720's David Kaplan reported that it occurred at 2:30 a.m. Sunday.
That CJ's employee, who identified himself as a bartender, said Clausen and family members were at the bar following the Connecticut loss -- along with other Irish upperclassmen apparently gathering after their final home game at Notre Dame Stadium.
It is another in an assortment of off-field incidents involving the Irish's starting quarterback that date back to his first year on campus. He was cited in June 2007 for transporting alcohol as a minor. Then, in August 2008, pictures appeared on the Web site "The Big Lead" depicting a not-yet-21 Clausen and three teammates at what the site labeled "Beer Olympics."
Will Kaplan's moral compass ever lead us astray? This man can sense questionable activity from miles away. He knows what is best for us.
He's a big Daley kiss-ass so that sounds about right.
That makes as much sense as all of your other ersatz Cook County analogies.
People who talk on TV about what a great mayor Daley is and how lucky we are to have him are probably deeply afflicted with douche. Kaplan is one of those people. It stands to reason that he'd play moral compass and condescend to the rest of us like he does.
Who are these people?
Where are these people? What channel? Because I've seen nothing of the sort. Granted, I don't watch much television, but still. Does Dave Kaplan really take time out of his awful nightly Comcast show to sing Daley's praises?
Or are you confusing the year for 1999?
Christ, Huey. At the end of every Chicago Tribune Live, Kaplan lights a picture of Jane Byrne on fire and does his daily "Ode to Daley" segment. How have you missed it?
Quote from: MAD on November 24, 2009, 08:26:01 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 24, 2009, 08:19:49 AM
Quote from: MAD on November 24, 2009, 07:51:37 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 23, 2009, 11:21:34 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on November 23, 2009, 10:55:19 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on November 23, 2009, 10:38:07 PM
I'm posting this, but Orange Guy is the source (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-24-notre-dame-clausen-chicago-nov24,0,5342095.story), and you just never know with that guy:
QuoteStarting quarterback and team captain Jimmy Clausen was involved in an altercation outside a South Bend, Ind., bar in the hours following a double-overtime loss to Connecticut on Saturday, taking a punch to the face in the incident, sources told the Tribune.
The Irish QB suffered at least one black eye as a result of the punch, according to a source. A spokesman for Charlie Weis said he could not reach the Irish coach for comment Monday night.
A South Bend police spokesman said Monday no police reports were filed over the weekend that involved Clausen.
The particulars of the confrontation are thus unclear, though a person answering the phone at CJ's, the bar in question, said the incident "absolutely did not take place inside the bar."
WGN-AM 720's David Kaplan reported that it occurred at 2:30 a.m. Sunday.
That CJ's employee, who identified himself as a bartender, said Clausen and family members were at the bar following the Connecticut loss -- along with other Irish upperclassmen apparently gathering after their final home game at Notre Dame Stadium.
It is another in an assortment of off-field incidents involving the Irish's starting quarterback that date back to his first year on campus. He was cited in June 2007 for transporting alcohol as a minor. Then, in August 2008, pictures appeared on the Web site "The Big Lead" depicting a not-yet-21 Clausen and three teammates at what the site labeled "Beer Olympics."
Will Kaplan's moral compass ever lead us astray? This man can sense questionable activity from miles away. He knows what is best for us.
He's a big Daley kiss-ass so that sounds about right.
That makes as much sense as all of your other ersatz Cook County analogies.
People who talk on TV about what a great mayor Daley is and how lucky we are to have him are probably deeply afflicted with douche. Kaplan is one of those people. It stands to reason that he'd play moral compass and condescend to the rest of us like he does.
Who are these people? Where are these people? What channel? Because I've seen nothing of the sort. Granted, I don't watch much television, but still. Does Dave Kaplan really take time out of his awful nightly Comcast show to sing Daley's praises?
Or are you confusing the year for 1999?
What do you want? Time? Date? Video link? I don't stalk this cock puppet around the interwebs and shit like some people do. I was watching Chicago Tribune Live sometime before the Olympic announcement and he was going back and forth with Greenstein about whether the Chicago Olympics would be good for the city. Greenstein said, "Our politicians are crap..." and Kaplan gave the whole take a look at that Lakefront, the Miricale Mile and all that is good speech and praised Daley by name. You've heard that speech before. Rich white people are fond of it. Noit saying that you're rich or white or fond of it, but still. Fuck this douche.
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 24, 2009, 08:51:21 AM
Quote from: MAD on November 24, 2009, 08:26:01 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 24, 2009, 08:19:49 AM
Quote from: MAD on November 24, 2009, 07:51:37 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 23, 2009, 11:21:34 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on November 23, 2009, 10:55:19 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on November 23, 2009, 10:38:07 PM
I'm posting this, but Orange Guy is the source (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-24-notre-dame-clausen-chicago-nov24,0,5342095.story), and you just never know with that guy:
QuoteStarting quarterback and team captain Jimmy Clausen was involved in an altercation outside a South Bend, Ind., bar in the hours following a double-overtime loss to Connecticut on Saturday, taking a punch to the face in the incident, sources told the Tribune.
The Irish QB suffered at least one black eye as a result of the punch, according to a source. A spokesman for Charlie Weis said he could not reach the Irish coach for comment Monday night.
A South Bend police spokesman said Monday no police reports were filed over the weekend that involved Clausen.
The particulars of the confrontation are thus unclear, though a person answering the phone at CJ's, the bar in question, said the incident "absolutely did not take place inside the bar."
WGN-AM 720's David Kaplan reported that it occurred at 2:30 a.m. Sunday.
That CJ's employee, who identified himself as a bartender, said Clausen and family members were at the bar following the Connecticut loss -- along with other Irish upperclassmen apparently gathering after their final home game at Notre Dame Stadium.
It is another in an assortment of off-field incidents involving the Irish's starting quarterback that date back to his first year on campus. He was cited in June 2007 for transporting alcohol as a minor. Then, in August 2008, pictures appeared on the Web site "The Big Lead" depicting a not-yet-21 Clausen and three teammates at what the site labeled "Beer Olympics."
Will Kaplan's moral compass ever lead us astray? This man can sense questionable activity from miles away. He knows what is best for us.
He's a big Daley kiss-ass so that sounds about right.
That makes as much sense as all of your other ersatz Cook County analogies.
People who talk on TV about what a great mayor Daley is and how lucky we are to have him are probably deeply afflicted with douche. Kaplan is one of those people. It stands to reason that he'd play moral compass and condescend to the rest of us like he does.
Who are these people? Where are these people? What channel? Because I've seen nothing of the sort. Granted, I don't watch much television, but still. Does Dave Kaplan really take time out of his awful nightly Comcast show to sing Daley's praises?
Or are you confusing the year for 1999?
What do you want? Time? Date? Video link? I don't stalk this cock puppet around the interwebs and shit like some people do. I was watching Chicago Tribune Live sometime before the Olympic announcement and he was going back and forth with Greenstein about whether the Chicago Olympics would be good for the city. Greenstein said, "Our politicians are crap..." and Kaplan gave the whole take a look at that Lakefront, the Miricale Mile and all that is good speech and praised Daley by name. You've heard that speech before. Rich white people are fond of it. Noit saying that you're rich or white or fond of it, but still. Fuck this douche.
I'm not a bout to defend Daley. As a Chicago homeowner who sees his property taxes go directly into his graft machine, I'm as disgusted as the next guy who regularly reads John Kass. I'm just going to point out that the guy got 71% of the vote in the last election in a city that is 37% white--many of whom or immigrants are lower-middle class. Say what you want about Daley, but the broad brush of "rich white guys"--many of whom, like Kaplan, live in the suburbs--sounds like something you'd have nailed some librul for blurting out about Dubya.
Also, the fact that "rich black guys" like Jesse Sr. and the lot--those who have been co-opted by virtue of things like, for example, the Bud distributorship for Jesse's kids--are as responsible for Daley being where he is than dopey white guys that you should not be wasting your time watching and getting your blood pressure up.
Quote from: MAD on November 24, 2009, 09:06:31 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 24, 2009, 08:51:21 AM
Quote from: MAD on November 24, 2009, 08:26:01 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 24, 2009, 08:19:49 AM
Quote from: MAD on November 24, 2009, 07:51:37 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 23, 2009, 11:21:34 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on November 23, 2009, 10:55:19 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on November 23, 2009, 10:38:07 PM
I'm posting this, but Orange Guy is the source (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-24-notre-dame-clausen-chicago-nov24,0,5342095.story), and you just never know with that guy:
QuoteStarting quarterback and team captain Jimmy Clausen was involved in an altercation outside a South Bend, Ind., bar in the hours following a double-overtime loss to Connecticut on Saturday, taking a punch to the face in the incident, sources told the Tribune.
The Irish QB suffered at least one black eye as a result of the punch, according to a source. A spokesman for Charlie Weis said he could not reach the Irish coach for comment Monday night.
A South Bend police spokesman said Monday no police reports were filed over the weekend that involved Clausen.
The particulars of the confrontation are thus unclear, though a person answering the phone at CJ's, the bar in question, said the incident "absolutely did not take place inside the bar."
WGN-AM 720's David Kaplan reported that it occurred at 2:30 a.m. Sunday.
That CJ's employee, who identified himself as a bartender, said Clausen and family members were at the bar following the Connecticut loss -- along with other Irish upperclassmen apparently gathering after their final home game at Notre Dame Stadium.
It is another in an assortment of off-field incidents involving the Irish's starting quarterback that date back to his first year on campus. He was cited in June 2007 for transporting alcohol as a minor. Then, in August 2008, pictures appeared on the Web site "The Big Lead" depicting a not-yet-21 Clausen and three teammates at what the site labeled "Beer Olympics."
Will Kaplan's moral compass ever lead us astray? This man can sense questionable activity from miles away. He knows what is best for us.
He's a big Daley kiss-ass so that sounds about right.
That makes as much sense as all of your other ersatz Cook County analogies.
People who talk on TV about what a great mayor Daley is and how lucky we are to have him are probably deeply afflicted with douche. Kaplan is one of those people. It stands to reason that he'd play moral compass and condescend to the rest of us like he does.
Who are these people? Where are these people? What channel? Because I've seen nothing of the sort. Granted, I don't watch much television, but still. Does Dave Kaplan really take time out of his awful nightly Comcast show to sing Daley's praises?
Or are you confusing the year for 1999?
What do you want? Time? Date? Video link? I don't stalk this cock puppet around the interwebs and shit like some people do. I was watching Chicago Tribune Live sometime before the Olympic announcement and he was going back and forth with Greenstein about whether the Chicago Olympics would be good for the city. Greenstein said, "Our politicians are crap..." and Kaplan gave the whole take a look at that Lakefront, the Miricale Mile and all that is good speech and praised Daley by name. You've heard that speech before. Rich white people are fond of it. Noit saying that you're rich or white or fond of it, but still. Fuck this douche.
I'm not a bout to defend Daley. As a Chicago homeowner who sees his property taxes go directly into his graft machine, I'm as disgusted as the next guy who regularly reads John Kass. I'm just going to point out that the guy got 71% of the vote in the last election in a city that is 37% white--many of whom or immigrants are lower-middle class. Say what you want about Daley, but the broad brush of "rich white guys"--many of whom, like Kaplan, live in the suburbs--sounds like something you'd have nailed some librul for blurting out about Dubya.
Also, the fact that "rich black guys" like Jesse Sr. and the lot--those who have been co-opted by virtue of things like, for example, the Bud distributorship for Jesse's kids--are as responsible for Daley being where he is than dopey white guys that you should not be wasting your time watching and getting your blood pressure up.
Can't we all just agree that you both are dumb and white and this has nothing to do with college football and it is boring as fuck? Good.
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I'm posting this, but Orange Guy is the source (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-24-notre-dame-clausen-chicago-nov24,0,5342095.story), and you just never know with that guy:
QuoteStarting quarterback and team captain Jimmy Clausen was involved in an altercation outside a South Bend, Ind., bar in the hours following a double-overtime loss to Connecticut on Saturday, taking a punch to the face in the incident, sources told the Tribune.
The Irish QB suffered at least one black eye as a result of the punch, according to a source. A spokesman for Charlie Weis said he could not reach the Irish coach for comment Monday night.
A South Bend police spokesman said Monday no police reports were filed over the weekend that involved Clausen.
The particulars of the confrontation are thus unclear, though a person answering the phone at CJ's, the bar in question, said the incident "absolutely did not take place inside the bar."
WGN-AM 720's David Kaplan reported that it occurred at 2:30 a.m. Sunday.
That CJ's employee, who identified himself as a bartender, said Clausen and family members were at the bar following the Connecticut loss -- along with other Irish upperclassmen apparently gathering after their final home game at Notre Dame Stadium.
It is another in an assortment of off-field incidents involving the Irish's starting quarterback that date back to his first year on campus. He was cited in June 2007 for transporting alcohol as a minor. Then, in August 2008, pictures appeared on the Web site "The Big Lead" depicting a not-yet-21 Clausen and three teammates at what the site labeled "Beer Olympics."
Will Kaplan's moral compass ever lead us astray? This man can sense questionable activity from miles away. He knows what is best for us.
He's a big Daley kiss-ass so that sounds about right.
That makes as much sense as all of your other ersatz Cook County analogies.
People who talk on TV about what a great mayor Daley is and how lucky we are to have him are probably deeply afflicted with douche. Kaplan is one of those people. It stands to reason that he'd play moral compass and condescend to the rest of us like he does.
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What do you want? Time? Date? Video link? I don't stalk this cock puppet around the interwebs and shit like some people do. I was watching Chicago Tribune Live sometime before the Olympic announcement and he was going back and forth with Greenstein about whether the Chicago Olympics would be good for the city. Greenstein said, "Our politicians are crap..." and Kaplan gave the whole take a look at that Lakefront, the Miricale Mile and all that is good speech and praised Daley by name. You've heard that speech before. Rich white people are fond of it. Noit saying that you're rich or white or fond of it, but still. Fuck this douche.
I'm not a bout to defend Daley. As a Chicago homeowner who sees his property taxes go directly into his graft machine, I'm as disgusted as the next guy who regularly reads John Kass. I'm just going to point out that the guy got 71% of the vote in the last election in a city that is 37% white--many of whom or immigrants are lower-middle class. Say what you want about Daley, but the broad brush of "rich white guys"--many of whom, like Kaplan, live in the suburbs--sounds like something you'd have nailed some librul for blurting out about Dubya.
Also, the fact that "rich black guys" like Jesse Sr. and the lot--those who have been co-opted by virtue of things like, for example, the Bud distributorship for Jesse's kids--are as responsible for Daley being where he is than dopey white guys that you should not be wasting your time watching and getting your blood pressure up.
Can't we all just agree that you both are dumb and white and this has nothing to do with college football and it is boring as fuck? Good.
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Quote from: MAD on November 24, 2009, 09:06:31 AM
I'm as disgusted as the next guy who regularly reads John Kass.
Oh, hell no.
That is all.
Wait, no... That's not all.
John Kass is the Mike North of dumb white guy political commentary.
That is all. Enough politics. Back to gunts and bowl contenders...
What a shock: ND assistant coach says Weis has been fired (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4700891)
"Weis has told people in South Bend that he's already heard from roughly six NFL teams about becoming their offensive coordinator next season, sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter."
Would the Bears be on this short list?
Quote from: World B Free on November 30, 2009, 03:01:21 PM
"Weis has told people in South Bend that he's already heard from roughly six NFL teams about becoming their offensive coordinator next season, sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter."
Would the Bears be on this short list?
Six teams have already decided to fire their OC that they have already reached out to Weis?
Who is fact checking this bullshit?
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Quote from: World B Free on November 30, 2009, 03:01:21 PM
"Weis has told people in South Bend that he's already heard from roughly six NFL teams about becoming their offensive coordinator next season, sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter."
Would the Bears be on this short list?
Six teams have already decided to fire their OC that they have already reached out to Weis?
Who is fact checking this bullshit?
A report on the 4 letter? Probably no one in all honesty.
Quote from: World B Free on November 30, 2009, 03:01:21 PM
"Weis has told people in South Bend that he's already heard from roughly six NFL teams about becoming their offensive coordinator next season, sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter."
Would the Bears be on this short list?
Good. Then Weis, in his INFINITE LOVE FOR THE UNIVERSITY, should let ND off the hook for the six fucking years remaining on that horrible contract.
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Quote from: World B Free on November 30, 2009, 03:01:21 PM
"Weis has told people in South Bend that he's already heard from roughly six NFL teams about becoming their offensive coordinator next season, sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter."
Would the Bears be on this short list?
Good. Then Weis, in his INFINITE LOVE FOR THE UNIVERSITY, should let ND off the hook for the six fucking years remaining on that horrible contract.
A donation to DePaul would be nice.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 30, 2009, 03:11:04 PM
Quote from: World B Free on November 30, 2009, 03:01:21 PM
"Weis has told people in South Bend that he's already heard from roughly six NFL teams about becoming their offensive coordinator next season, sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter."
Would the Bears be on this short list?
Six teams have already decided to fire their OC that they have already reached out to Weis?
Who is fact checking this bullshit?
Well neither the Cardinals or Patriots (Weis' old team) have OCs. Their head coaches call the plays. That's two. Three teams fired their OCs right before the season (Chiefs, Buccaneers, Bills). The Bills just fired their head coach, which usually portends an entirely new staff. That's five. I did that off the top of my head. I'm sure that Ron Turner being in the last year of his deal factors in. The Browns and Eric Mangini (former Pat asst.) are probably looking.
I'd say six is perfectly reasonable. Who logic checks you?
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Quote from: World B Free on November 30, 2009, 03:01:21 PM
"Weis has told people in South Bend that he's already heard from roughly six NFL teams about becoming their offensive coordinator next season, sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter."
Would the Bears be on this short list?
Six teams have already decided to fire their OC that they have already reached out to Weis?
Who is fact checking this bullshit?
Well neither the Cardinals or Patriots (Weis' old team) have OCs. Their head coaches call the plays. That's two. Three teams fired their OCs right before the season (Chiefs, Buccaneers, Bills). The Bills just fired their head coach, which usually portends an entirely new staff. That's five. I did that off the top of my head. I'm sure that Ron Turner being in the last year of his deal factors in. The Browns and Eric Mangini (former Pat asst.) are probably looking.
I'd say six is perfectly reasonable. Who logic checks you?
That's six teams without OCs. Not six teams who would call Charlie Weis.
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Quote from: World B Free on November 30, 2009, 03:01:21 PM
"Weis has told people in South Bend that he's already heard from roughly six NFL teams about becoming their offensive coordinator next season, sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter."
Would the Bears be on this short list?
Six teams have already decided to fire their OC that they have already reached out to Weis?
Who is fact checking this bullshit?
Well neither the Cardinals or Patriots (Weis' old team) have OCs. Their head coaches call the plays. That's two. Three teams fired their OCs right before the season (Chiefs, Buccaneers, Bills). The Bills just fired their head coach, which usually portends an entirely new staff. That's five. I did that off the top of my head. I'm sure that Ron Turner being in the last year of his deal factors in. The Browns and Eric Mangini (former Pat asst.) are probably looking.
I'd say six is perfectly reasonable. Who logic checks you?
That's six teams without OCs. Not six teams who would call Charlie Weis.
Why not? If I remember correctly, running an offense isn't one of his shortcomings.
USC is up by two touchdowns over UCLA with less than a minute to play, so Carroll has his quarterback take a knee. Neuheisel will have none of that so he takes a timeout to stop the clock. (I guess that he had a 14 point play in mind) Carroll reciprocates with a 47 yard touchdown pass and the officials and police have to get between the two teams. Who says that we don't have class in the PAC 10?
Quote from: CBStew on November 30, 2009, 07:32:40 PM
USC is up by two touchdowns over UCLA with less than a minute to play, so Carroll has his quarterback take a knee. Neuheisel will have none of that so he takes a timeout to stop the clock. (I guess that he had a 14 point play in mind) Carroll reciprocates with a 47 yard touchdown pass and the officials and police have to get between the two teams. Who says that we don't have class in the PAC 10?
That's just LA. Cal is fine.
Quote from: CBStew on November 30, 2009, 07:32:40 PM
USC is up by two touchdowns over UCLA with less than a minute to play, so Carroll has his quarterback take a knee. Neuheisel will have none of that so he takes a timeout to stop the clock. (I guess that he had a 14 point play in mind) Carroll reciprocates with a 47 yard touchdown pass and the officials and police have to get between the two teams. Who says that we don't have class in the PAC 10?
People said they don't
go to class in the Pac 10.
Quote from: CBStew on November 30, 2009, 07:32:40 PM
USC is up by two touchdowns over UCLA with less than a minute to play, so Carroll has his quarterback take a knee. Neuheisel will have none of that so he takes a timeout to stop the clock. (I guess that he had a 14 point play in mind) Carroll reciprocates with a 47 yard touchdown pass and the officials and police have to get between the two teams. Who says that we don't have class in the PAC 10?
I think that's a pretty decent fu in a rivalry game. Is it time to start up a 2009-10 college hoops thread yet?
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Quote from: CBStew on November 30, 2009, 07:32:40 PM
USC is up by two touchdowns over UCLA with less than a minute to play, so Carroll has his quarterback take a knee. Neuheisel will have none of that so he takes a timeout to stop the clock. (I guess that he had a 14 point play in mind) Carroll reciprocates with a 47 yard touchdown pass and the officials and police have to get between the two teams. Who says that we don't have class in the PAC 10?
I think that's a pretty decent fu in a rivalry game. Is it time to start up a 2009-10 college hoops thread yet?
Check out On Hoops ya bum.
Boers and Bernstein mentioned that Brian Kelly's political leanings (I guess he's a pro choice librul) could be an issue with him getting the ND job. Any truth to this?
He worked for Gary Hart and John Kerry.
Didn't Kerry used to be a Catholic?
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Boers and Bernstein mentioned that Brian Kelly's political leanings (I guess he's a pro choice librul) could be an issue with him getting the ND job. Any truth to this?
Didn't ND already state they had no interest in Brian Kelly?
Nope.
Quote from: Andy on December 02, 2009, 01:27:24 PM
He worked for Gary Hart and John Kerry.
Didn't Kerry used to be a Catholic?
Hey, this guy obviously knows a winner when he sees one.
Wait until you meet his defensive coordinator!
(http://timesonline.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/20/dukakis_tank_7_2.jpg)
Poor Charlie looks so sad (http://www.theonion.com/content/from_print/fired_charlie_weis_cleans?utm_source=onion_rss_daily).
I really wish there were "ND interested in Wannstedt" rumors right now. Or that the Wannstache was found detached, with what it's growing on to never be heard from again...
What an absolute kick in the nuts football game.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 05, 2009, 02:48:36 PM
I really wish there were "ND interested in Wannstedt" rumors right now. Or that the Wannstache was found detached, with what it's growing on to never be heard from again...
What an absolute kick in the nuts football game.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v56/ottoautopilot/nelson-muntz.gif)
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on December 05, 2009, 02:48:36 PM
I really wish there were "ND interested in Wannstedt" rumors right now. Or that the Wannstache was found detached, with what it's growing on to never be heard from again...
What an absolute kick in the nuts football game.
Well, it would have been a kick to the nuts but the holder couldn't get the nuts in place properly.
I enjoyed watching Alabama kick the crap out of Florida.
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I enjoyed watching Alabama kick the crap out of Florida.
I hope they saved up all of Tebow's tears so they can get to curin' some CANCER. That was awesome.
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I enjoyed watching Alabama kick the crap out of Florida.
I hope they saved up all of Tebow's tears so they can get to curin' some CANCER. That was awesome.
They were on ebay yesterday; the item has been pulled.
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I enjoyed watching Alabama kick the crap out of Florida.
I hope they saved up all of Tebow's tears so they can get to curin' some CANCER. That was awesome.
They were on ebay yesterday; the item has been pulled.
I really enjoyed watching Tebow cry; beautiful, resplendent joy.
Glad to see Illinois is still inventing new and creative ways to blow games too.
I don't think Texas has anything on Bama. They smoked Coarch Irvin Mayas and Tim Tivo.
I know I'm one of about 3 people on here who don't hate the Irish, but how in the fuck did Clausen not merit an invite to the Heisman ceremony?
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 10:23:07 AM
I know I'm one of about 3 people on here who don't hate the Irish, but how in the fuck did Clausen not merit an invite to the Heisman ceremony?
Because he wears lip gloss?
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Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 10:23:07 AM
I know I'm one of about 3 people on here who don't hate the Irish, but how in the fuck did Clausen not merit an invite to the Heisman ceremony?
Because he wears lip gloss?
And he sucks.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 10:23:07 AM
I know I'm one of about 3 people on here who don't hate the Irish, but how in the fuck did Clausen not merit an invite to the Heisman ceremony?
The QB from Houston should receive an invite ahead of Claussen.
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Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 10:23:07 AM
I know I'm one of about 3 people on here who don't hate the Irish, but how in the fuck did Clausen not merit an invite to the Heisman ceremony?
The QB from Houston Boise St. should receive an invite ahead of Claussen.
Best QB in NCAA'd
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Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 10:23:07 AM
I know I'm one of about 3 people on here who don't hate the Irish, but how in the fuck did Clausen not merit an invite to the Heisman ceremony?
The QB from Houston Boise St. should receive an invite ahead of Claussen.
Best QB in NCAA'd
I agree, and I think both of them deserve invitations over Tebow and McCoy. I'm not saying Jimmy should win it (I'm rooting for Suh), but it's probably going to go to a very undeserving McCoy, which sucks. Both Tebow and McCoy looked very pedestrian against good defenses, and McCoy was about one second away from being the stupidest QB in college football history. I hope Derek Jeter wins it.
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Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 10:23:07 AM
I know I'm one of about 3 people on here who don't hate the Irish, but how in the fuck did Clausen not merit an invite to the Heisman ceremony?
The QB from Houston Boise St. should receive an invite ahead of Claussen.
Best QB in NCAA'd
I agree, and I think both of them deserve invitations over Tebow and McCoy. I'm not saying Jimmy should win it (I'm rooting for Suh), but it's probably going to go to a very undeserving McCoy, which sucks. Both Tebow and McCoy looked very pedestrian against good defenses, and McCoy was about one second away from being the stupidest QB in college football history. I hope Derek Jeter wins it.
Well...he IS a winner.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 10:23:07 AM
I know I'm one of about 3 people on here who don't hate the Irish, but how in the fuck did Clausen not merit an invite to the Heisman ceremony?
He's coached an OFFENSIVE GENIUS. A reasonably well-trained ape (or possibly Ron Powlus) could put up those numbers under Charlie Weis's tutelage. It's unfair to award him the Heisman with such an unfair edge over the field.
Quote from: Shooter on December 08, 2009, 12:40:17 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 10:23:07 AM
I know I'm one of about 3 people on here who don't hate the Irish, but how in the fuck did Clausen not merit an invite to the Heisman ceremony?
He's coached an OFFENSIVE GENIUS. A reasonably well-trained ape (or possibly Ron Powlus) could put up those numbers under Charlie Weis's tutelage. It's unfair to award him the Heisman with such an unfair edge over the field.
Antiquated or not, there's no way in hell the QB of a 6 win team is going to get invited to NYC for the Heisman finals.
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Quote from: Shooter on December 08, 2009, 12:40:17 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 10:23:07 AM
I know I'm one of about 3 people on here who don't hate the Irish, but how in the fuck did Clausen not merit an invite to the Heisman ceremony?
He's coached an OFFENSIVE GENIUS. A reasonably well-trained ape (or possibly Ron Powlus) could put up those numbers under Charlie Weis's tutelage. It's unfair to award him the Heisman with such an unfair edge over the field.
Antiquated or not, there's no way in hell the QB of a 6 win team is going to get invited to NYC for the Heisman finals.
And I'm saying that's really dumb. Oh, well.
Hell, it's not like the QB on a two-win team can win the Heisman, or anything.
Oh, and Jimmy Clausen didn't get invited to the Heisman ceremony because he wasn't the best player on his team. Why Golden Tate didn't get invited is another story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hornung
Quote from: Andy on December 08, 2009, 01:21:00 PM
Hell, it's not like the QB on a two-win team can win the Heisman, or anything.
Oh, and Jimmy Clausen didn't get invited to the Heisman ceremony because he wasn't the best player on his team. Why Golden Tate didn't get invited is another story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hornung
He wasn't exactly
just the QB that year.
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In the 1956 season, he led his team offensively in passing, rushing, scoring, kickoff and punt returns, and punting. He also played defense and led his team in passes broken up and was a second in interceptions and tackles made.
Quote from: Andy on December 08, 2009, 01:21:00 PM
Hell, it's not like the QB on a two-win team can win the Heisman, or anything.
Oh, and Jimmy Clausen didn't get invited to the Heisman ceremony because he wasn't the best player on his team. Why Golden Tate didn't get invited is another story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hornung
Clausen stacks up more favorably to the top QBs than Tate does to the top WRs. If there had been a different WR invited, I'd make an argument. But I think Clausen is going to be the first QB taken in the draft. How is he not better than McCoy and Tebow?
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 01:53:45 PM
Quote from: Andy on December 08, 2009, 01:21:00 PM
Hell, it's not like the QB on a two-win team can win the Heisman, or anything.
Oh, and Jimmy Clausen didn't get invited to the Heisman ceremony because he wasn't the best player on his team. Why Golden Tate didn't get invited is another story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hornung
Clausen stacks up more favorably to the top QBs than Tate does to the top WRs. If there had been a different WR invited, I'd make an argument. But I think Clausen is going to be the first QB taken in the draft. How is he not better than McCoy and Tebow?
Just because his draft value is high, doesn't mean he's the best college player, and that's what the HT is about, not who translates to the NFL and an NFL system the best. He's a fine player and will be the top QB selected, but as far as what's gone on in the 2009 college season, Tebow and McCoy deserve it.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 01:53:45 PM
Quote from: Andy on December 08, 2009, 01:21:00 PM
Hell, it's not like the QB on a two-win team can win the Heisman, or anything.
Oh, and Jimmy Clausen didn't get invited to the Heisman ceremony because he wasn't the best player on his team. Why Golden Tate didn't get invited is another story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hornung
Clausen stacks up more favorably to the top QBs than Tate does to the top WRs. If there had been a different WR invited, I'd make an argument. But I think Clausen is going to be the first QB taken in the draft. How is he not better than McCoy and Tebow?
Are we talking Heisman or are we talking about taken higher in the NFL Draft, because those are two very different things.
Quote from: PenFoe on December 08, 2009, 02:05:30 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 01:53:45 PM
Quote from: Andy on December 08, 2009, 01:21:00 PM
Hell, it's not like the QB on a two-win team can win the Heisman, or anything.
Oh, and Jimmy Clausen didn't get invited to the Heisman ceremony because he wasn't the best player on his team. Why Golden Tate didn't get invited is another story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hornung
Clausen stacks up more favorably to the top QBs than Tate does to the top WRs. If there had been a different WR invited, I'd make an argument. But I think Clausen is going to be the first QB taken in the draft. How is he not better than McCoy and Tebow?
Are we talking Heisman or are we talking about taken higher in the NFL Draft, because those are two very different things.
I wasn't going to claim it, but since you called me out in the Boobtube, it's on.. FACE
Quote from: Yeti on December 08, 2009, 02:10:41 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 08, 2009, 02:05:30 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 01:53:45 PM
Quote from: Andy on December 08, 2009, 01:21:00 PM
Hell, it's not like the QB on a two-win team can win the Heisman, or anything.
Oh, and Jimmy Clausen didn't get invited to the Heisman ceremony because he wasn't the best player on his team. Why Golden Tate didn't get invited is another story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hornung
Clausen stacks up more favorably to the top QBs than Tate does to the top WRs. If there had been a different WR invited, I'd make an argument. But I think Clausen is going to be the first QB taken in the draft. How is he not better than McCoy and Tebow?
Are we talking Heisman or are we talking about taken higher in the NFL Draft, because those are two very different things.
I wasn't going to claim it, but since you called me out in the Boobtube, it's on.. FACE
Well, you said in your post that McCoy and Tebow deserve the Heisman, which is definitely not what I'm saying.
So I'll give you a half-FACE.
Quote from: PenFoe on December 08, 2009, 02:05:30 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 01:53:45 PM
Quote from: Andy on December 08, 2009, 01:21:00 PM
Hell, it's not like the QB on a two-win team can win the Heisman, or anything.
Oh, and Jimmy Clausen didn't get invited to the Heisman ceremony because he wasn't the best player on his team. Why Golden Tate didn't get invited is another story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hornung
Clausen stacks up more favorably to the top QBs than Tate does to the top WRs. If there had been a different WR invited, I'd make an argument. But I think Clausen is going to be the first QB taken in the draft. How is he not better than McCoy and Tebow?
Are we talking Heisman or are we talking about taken higher in the NFL Draft, because those are two very different things.
I'm talking better quarterback, and Clausen is flat-out better than both McCoy and Tebow. I cannot stand Clausen, but he did amazing things this year on a shitty team, with a shitty O-line, no running game, and a bad coach. Clausen only threw 4 picks this year, 3 of which bounced off his receivers' hands before getting intercepted. How would a 28-1 TD-INT ratio look? Would THAT have been good enough? The cocky little freak was nothing short of amazing this year and, yes, I think there's no doubt he's more deserving of a Heisman than both McCoy and Tebow. Not the other three candidates, but certainly those two.
I guess it's a moot point, since I'm not actually arguing that Clausen should win it. But he should at least be sitting at the ceremony instead of Tebow. I hope that mongoloid cries again when he doesn't win it.
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Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 01:53:45 PM
Quote from: Andy on December 08, 2009, 01:21:00 PM
Hell, it's not like the QB on a two-win team can win the Heisman, or anything.
Oh, and Jimmy Clausen didn't get invited to the Heisman ceremony because he wasn't the best player on his team. Why Golden Tate didn't get invited is another story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hornung
Clausen stacks up more favorably to the top QBs than Tate does to the top WRs. If there had been a different WR invited, I'd make an argument. But I think Clausen is going to be the first QB taken in the draft. How is he not better than McCoy and Tebow?
Are we talking Heisman or are we talking about taken higher in the NFL Draft, because those are two very different things.
I'm talking better quarterback, and Clausen is flat-out better than both McCoy and Tebow. I cannot stand Clausen, but he did amazing things this year on a shitty team, with a shitty O-line, no running game, and a bad coach. Clausen only threw 4 picks this year, 3 of which bounced off his receivers' hands before getting intercepted. How would a 28-1 TD-INT ratio look? Would THAT have been good enough? The cocky little freak was nothing short of amazing this year and, yes, I think there's no doubt he's more deserving of a Heisman than both McCoy and Tebow. Not the other three candidates, but certainly those two.
I guess it's a moot point, since I'm not actually arguing that Clausen should win it. But he should at least be sitting at the ceremony instead of Tebow. I hope that mongoloid cries again when he doesn't win it.
But seriously, he got punched in the face...by a fan of his own team.
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 11:10:40 AM
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Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 10:23:07 AM
I know I'm one of about 3 people on here who don't hate the Irish, but how in the fuck did Clausen not merit an invite to the Heisman ceremony?
The QB from Houston Boise St. should receive an invite ahead of Claussen.
Best QB in NCAA'd
I agree, and I think both of them deserve invitations over Tebow and McCoy. I'm not saying Jimmy should win it (I'm rooting for Suh), but it's probably going to go to a very undeserving McCoy, which sucks. Both Tebow and McCoy looked very pedestrian against good defenses, and McCoy was about one second away from being the stupidest QB in college football history. I hope Derek Jeter wins it.
THIS
Quote from: PenFoe on December 08, 2009, 02:24:22 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 02:19:41 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 08, 2009, 02:05:30 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 01:53:45 PM
Quote from: Andy on December 08, 2009, 01:21:00 PM
Hell, it's not like the QB on a two-win team can win the Heisman, or anything.
Oh, and Jimmy Clausen didn't get invited to the Heisman ceremony because he wasn't the best player on his team. Why Golden Tate didn't get invited is another story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hornung
Clausen stacks up more favorably to the top QBs than Tate does to the top WRs. If there had been a different WR invited, I'd make an argument. But I think Clausen is going to be the first QB taken in the draft. How is he not better than McCoy and Tebow?
Are we talking Heisman or are we talking about taken higher in the NFL Draft, because those are two very different things.
I'm talking better quarterback, and Clausen is flat-out better than both McCoy and Tebow. I cannot stand Clausen, but he did amazing things this year on a shitty team, with a shitty O-line, no running game, and a bad coach. Clausen only threw 4 picks this year, 3 of which bounced off his receivers' hands before getting intercepted. How would a 28-1 TD-INT ratio look? Would THAT have been good enough? The cocky little freak was nothing short of amazing this year and, yes, I think there's no doubt he's more deserving of a Heisman than both McCoy and Tebow. Not the other three candidates, but certainly those two.
I guess it's a moot point, since I'm not actually arguing that Clausen should win it. But he should at least be sitting at the ceremony instead of Tebow. I hope that mongoloid cries again when he doesn't win it.
But seriously, he got punched in the face...by a fan of his own team.
ND fans are total dicks. Oh, well. Enjoy your retarded 2009 Heisman winner (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725231&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines).
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 02:30:18 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 08, 2009, 02:24:22 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 02:19:41 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 08, 2009, 02:05:30 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 01:53:45 PM
Quote from: Andy on December 08, 2009, 01:21:00 PM
Hell, it's not like the QB on a two-win team can win the Heisman, or anything.
Oh, and Jimmy Clausen didn't get invited to the Heisman ceremony because he wasn't the best player on his team. Why Golden Tate didn't get invited is another story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hornung
Clausen stacks up more favorably to the top QBs than Tate does to the top WRs. If there had been a different WR invited, I'd make an argument. But I think Clausen is going to be the first QB taken in the draft. How is he not better than McCoy and Tebow?
Are we talking Heisman or are we talking about taken higher in the NFL Draft, because those are two very different things.
I'm talking better quarterback, and Clausen is flat-out better than both McCoy and Tebow. I cannot stand Clausen, but he did amazing things this year on a shitty team, with a shitty O-line, no running game, and a bad coach. Clausen only threw 4 picks this year, 3 of which bounced off his receivers' hands before getting intercepted. How would a 28-1 TD-INT ratio look? Would THAT have been good enough? The cocky little freak was nothing short of amazing this year and, yes, I think there's no doubt he's more deserving of a Heisman than both McCoy and Tebow. Not the other three candidates, but certainly those two.
I guess it's a moot point, since I'm not actually arguing that Clausen should win it. But he should at least be sitting at the ceremony instead of Tebow. I hope that mongoloid cries again when he doesn't win it.
But seriously, he got punched in the face...by a fan of his own team.
ND fans are total dicks. Oh, well. Enjoy your retarded 2009 Heisman winner (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725231&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines).
I think Ingram is going to win.
Quote from: Yeti on December 08, 2009, 02:03:31 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 01:53:45 PM
Quote from: Andy on December 08, 2009, 01:21:00 PM
Hell, it's not like the QB on a two-win team can win the Heisman, or anything.
Oh, and Jimmy Clausen didn't get invited to the Heisman ceremony because he wasn't the best player on his team. Why Golden Tate didn't get invited is another story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hornung
Clausen stacks up more favorably to the top QBs than Tate does to the top WRs. If there had been a different WR invited, I'd make an argument. But I think Clausen is going to be the first QB taken in the draft. How is he not better than McCoy and Tebow?
Just because his draft value is high, doesn't mean he's the best college player, and that's what the HT is about, not who translates to the NFL and an NFL system the best. He's a fine player and will be the top QB selected, but as far as what's gone on in the 2009 college season, Tebow and McCoy deserve it.
If this is really the case, then Ndamukong Suh should be running away and hiding with the Heisman vote.
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Quote from: PenFoe on December 08, 2009, 02:05:30 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 01:53:45 PM
Quote from: Andy on December 08, 2009, 01:21:00 PM
Hell, it's not like the QB on a two-win team can win the Heisman, or anything.
Oh, and Jimmy Clausen didn't get invited to the Heisman ceremony because he wasn't the best player on his team. Why Golden Tate didn't get invited is another story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hornung
Clausen stacks up more favorably to the top QBs than Tate does to the top WRs. If there had been a different WR invited, I'd make an argument. But I think Clausen is going to be the first QB taken in the draft. How is he not better than McCoy and Tebow?
Are we talking Heisman or are we talking about taken higher in the NFL Draft, because those are two very different things.
I wasn't going to claim it, but since you called me out in the Boobtube, it's on.. FACE
Well, you said in your post that McCoy and Tebow deserve the Heisman, which is definitely not what I'm saying.
So I'll give you a half-FACE.
I meant they would deserve it over Claussen. I'm on the Suh bandwagon.
Quote from: Waco Kid on December 08, 2009, 03:13:51 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 08, 2009, 02:03:31 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 01:53:45 PM
Quote from: Andy on December 08, 2009, 01:21:00 PM
Hell, it's not like the QB on a two-win team can win the Heisman, or anything.
Oh, and Jimmy Clausen didn't get invited to the Heisman ceremony because he wasn't the best player on his team. Why Golden Tate didn't get invited is another story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hornung
Clausen stacks up more favorably to the top QBs than Tate does to the top WRs. If there had been a different WR invited, I'd make an argument. But I think Clausen is going to be the first QB taken in the draft. How is he not better than McCoy and Tebow?
Just because his draft value is high, doesn't mean he's the best college player, and that's what the HT is about, not who translates to the NFL and an NFL system the best. He's a fine player and will be the top QB selected, but as far as what's gone on in the 2009 college season, Tebow and McCoy deserve it.
If this is really the case, then Ndamukong Suh should be running away and hiding with the Heisman vote.
Yeah, that dude knocked the smirk clean off Colt McCoy's face on Saturday. I'd give him the trophy just for that.
Quote from: CT III on December 08, 2009, 03:30:57 PM
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Quote from: Yeti on December 08, 2009, 02:03:31 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 01:53:45 PM
Quote from: Andy on December 08, 2009, 01:21:00 PM
Hell, it's not like the QB on a two-win team can win the Heisman, or anything.
Oh, and Jimmy Clausen didn't get invited to the Heisman ceremony because he wasn't the best player on his team. Why Golden Tate didn't get invited is another story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hornung
Clausen stacks up more favorably to the top QBs than Tate does to the top WRs. If there had been a different WR invited, I'd make an argument. But I think Clausen is going to be the first QB taken in the draft. How is he not better than McCoy and Tebow?
Just because his draft value is high, doesn't mean he's the best college player, and that's what the HT is about, not who translates to the NFL and an NFL system the best. He's a fine player and will be the top QB selected, but as far as what's gone on in the 2009 college season, Tebow and McCoy deserve it.
If this is really the case, then Ndamukong Suh should be running away and hiding with the Heisman vote.
Yeah, that dude knocked the smirk clean off Colt McCoy's face on Saturday. I'd give him the trophy just for that.
Claussen is more deserving than Tebow or McCoy. I have spoken. I expect this to end right here.
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Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 01:53:45 PM
Quote from: Andy on December 08, 2009, 01:21:00 PM
Hell, it's not like the QB on a two-win team can win the Heisman, or anything.
Oh, and Jimmy Clausen didn't get invited to the Heisman ceremony because he wasn't the best player on his team. Why Golden Tate didn't get invited is another story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hornung
Clausen stacks up more favorably to the top QBs than Tate does to the top WRs. If there had been a different WR invited, I'd make an argument. But I think Clausen is going to be the first QB taken in the draft. How is he not better than McCoy and Tebow?
Just because his draft value is high, doesn't mean he's the best college player, and that's what the HT is about, not who translates to the NFL and an NFL system the best. He's a fine player and will be the top QB selected, but as far as what's gone on in the 2009 college season, Tebow and McCoy deserve it.
If this is really the case, then Ndamukong Suh should be running away and hiding with the Heisman vote.
Yeah, that dude knocked the smirk clean off Colt McCoy's face on Saturday. I'd give him the trophy just for that.
Claussen is more deserving than Tebow or McCoy. I have spoken. I expect this to end right here.
KRIK FRENTZ
Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2009, 09:28:48 PM
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Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 01:53:45 PM
Quote from: Andy on December 08, 2009, 01:21:00 PM
Hell, it's not like the QB on a two-win team can win the Heisman, or anything.
Oh, and Jimmy Clausen didn't get invited to the Heisman ceremony because he wasn't the best player on his team. Why Golden Tate didn't get invited is another story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hornung
Clausen stacks up more favorably to the top QBs than Tate does to the top WRs. If there had been a different WR invited, I'd make an argument. But I think Clausen is going to be the first QB taken in the draft. How is he not better than McCoy and Tebow?
Just because his draft value is high, doesn't mean he's the best college player, and that's what the HT is about, not who translates to the NFL and an NFL system the best. He's a fine player and will be the top QB selected, but as far as what's gone on in the 2009 college season, Tebow and McCoy deserve it.
If this is really the case, then Ndamukong Suh should be running away and hiding with the Heisman vote.
Yeah, that dude knocked the smirk clean off Colt McCoy's face on Saturday. I'd give him the trophy just for that.
Claussen is more deserving than Tebow or McCoy. I have spoken. I expect this to end right here.
Pen thinks it should go to Terry Bradshaw.
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Quote from: SKO on December 08, 2009, 09:28:48 PM
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Quote from: Yeti on December 08, 2009, 02:03:31 PM
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 01:53:45 PM
Quote from: Andy on December 08, 2009, 01:21:00 PM
Hell, it's not like the QB on a two-win team can win the Heisman, or anything.
Oh, and Jimmy Clausen didn't get invited to the Heisman ceremony because he wasn't the best player on his team. Why Golden Tate didn't get invited is another story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hornung
Clausen stacks up more favorably to the top QBs than Tate does to the top WRs. If there had been a different WR invited, I'd make an argument. But I think Clausen is going to be the first QB taken in the draft. How is he not better than McCoy and Tebow?
Just because his draft value is high, doesn't mean he's the best college player, and that's what the HT is about, not who translates to the NFL and an NFL system the best. He's a fine player and will be the top QB selected, but as far as what's gone on in the 2009 college season, Tebow and McCoy deserve it.
If this is really the case, then Ndamukong Suh should be running away and hiding with the Heisman vote.
Yeah, that dude knocked the smirk clean off Colt McCoy's face on Saturday. I'd give him the trophy just for that.
Claussen is more deserving than Tebow or McCoy. I have spoken. I expect this to end right here.
Pen thinks it should go to Terry Bradshaw.
My actual vote is for Suh as well. I just meant Claussen should be considered before Tebow or McCoy. But Suh's name actually means "house of swords" Holy mother of badass.
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Quote from: Andy on December 08, 2009, 01:21:00 PM
Hell, it's not like the QB on a two-win team can win the Heisman, or anything.
Oh, and Jimmy Clausen didn't get invited to the Heisman ceremony because he wasn't the best player on his team. Why Golden Tate didn't get invited is another story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hornung
Clausen stacks up more favorably to the top QBs than Tate does to the top WRs. If there had been a different WR invited, I'd make an argument. But I think Clausen is going to be the first QB taken in the draft. How is he not better than McCoy and Tebow?
Just because his draft value is high, doesn't mean he's the best college player, and that's what the HT is about, not who translates to the NFL and an NFL system the best. He's a fine player and will be the top QB selected, but as far as what's gone on in the 2009 college season, Tebow and McCoy deserve it.
If this is really the case, then Ndamukong Suh should be running away and hiding with the Heisman vote.
Yeah, that dude knocked the smirk clean off Colt McCoy's face on Saturday. I'd give him the trophy just for that.
Claussen is more deserving than Tebow or McCoy. I have spoken. I expect this to end right here.
Pen thinks it should go to Terry Bradshaw.
My actual vote is for Suh as well. I just meant Claussen should be considered before Tebow or McCoy. But Suh's name actually means "house of swords" Holy mother of badass.
Damn, that blog of yours is really taking off. They gave you a Heisman vote???? You're more deserving than most of the actual voters, I'm sure.
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Quote from: Andy on December 08, 2009, 01:21:00 PM
Hell, it's not like the QB on a two-win team can win the Heisman, or anything.
Oh, and Jimmy Clausen didn't get invited to the Heisman ceremony because he wasn't the best player on his team. Why Golden Tate didn't get invited is another story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hornung
Clausen stacks up more favorably to the top QBs than Tate does to the top WRs. If there had been a different WR invited, I'd make an argument. But I think Clausen is going to be the first QB taken in the draft. How is he not better than McCoy and Tebow?
Just because his draft value is high, doesn't mean he's the best college player, and that's what the HT is about, not who translates to the NFL and an NFL system the best. He's a fine player and will be the top QB selected, but as far as what's gone on in the 2009 college season, Tebow and McCoy deserve it.
If this is really the case, then Ndamukong Suh should be running away and hiding with the Heisman vote.
Yeah, that dude knocked the smirk clean off Colt McCoy's face on Saturday. I'd give him the trophy just for that.
Claussen is more deserving than Tebow or McCoy. I have spoken. I expect this to end right here.
Pen thinks it should go to Terry Bradshaw.
All I'm saying is that he should have at least finished in the top 3 in voting in '68.
College Bowl Pick 'Em anyone?
Quote from: Kermit, B. on December 08, 2009, 11:10:40 AM
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I know I'm one of about 3 people on here who don't hate the Irish, but how in the fuck did Clausen not merit an invite to the Heisman ceremony?
The QB from Houston Boise St. should receive an invite ahead of Claussen.
Best QB in NCAA'd
I agree, and I think both of them deserve invitations over Tebow and McCoy. I'm not saying Jimmy should win it (I'm rooting for Suh), but it's probably going to go to a very undeserving McCoy, which sucks. Both Tebow and McCoy looked very pedestrian against good defense, and McCoy was about one second away from being the stupidest QB in college football history. I hope Derek Jeter wins it.
I know hating Tebow is all the rage with the kids these days, but Tebow deserves to be nominated for the Heisman. Florida's receiving core was depleted all year because of injuries and losing Percy to the NFL. Their running backs were too small to run between the tackles against the SEC defenses. This meant for the long stretches during the games, Florida offense consisted of Tebow runs and Tebow scrambles and a shovel passes to Hernendez. Without Tebow, Florida would probably be playing in some shitty bowl game instead of the Sugar Bowl.
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College Bowl Pick 'Em anyone?
I'd be game.
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Hell, it's not like the QB on a two-win team can win the Heisman, or anything.
Oh, and Jimmy Clausen didn't get invited to the Heisman ceremony because he wasn't the best player on his team. Why Golden Tate didn't get invited is another story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hornung
Clausen stacks up more favorably to the top QBs than Tate does to the top WRs. If there had been a different WR invited, I'd make an argument. But I think Clausen is going to be the first QB taken in the draft. How is he not better than McCoy and Tebow?
Just because his draft value is high, doesn't mean he's the best college player, and that's what the HT is about, not who translates to the NFL and an NFL system the best. He's a fine player and will be the top QB selected, but as far as what's gone on in the 2009 college season, Tebow and McCoy deserve it.
If this is really the case, then Ndamukong Suh should be running away and hiding with the Heisman vote.
Yeah, that dude knocked the smirk clean off Colt McCoy's face on Saturday. I'd give him the trophy just for that.
Claussen is more deserving than Tebow or McCoy. I have spoken. I expect this to end right here.
Pen thinks it should go to Terry Bradshaw.
My actual vote is for Suh as well. I just meant Claussen should be considered before Tebow or McCoy. But Suh's name actually means "house of swords" Holy mother of badass.
This. I hope they have the guts to give it to Suh. Since Woodson, I can't think of a defensive player who has been more deserving. The dude is a beast.
Brian Kelly hired at ND.
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/12/report-brian-kelly-to-be-named-notre-dame-coach.html
Quote from: BH on December 10, 2009, 04:44:24 PM
Brian Kelly hired at ND.
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/12/report-brian-kelly-to-be-named-notre-dame-coach.html
If his first request wasn't "can I use sex and/or recreational drug use to recruit barely literate players who make a mockery of the very concept of a "student-athlete," and then spend four years turning a blind eye to their misdeeds just like every other successful school?" he was very stupid to take that job. If he Did ask that question, and got a yes, then he'll be successful.
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Quote from: BH on December 10, 2009, 04:44:24 PM
Brian Kelly hired at ND.
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/12/report-brian-kelly-to-be-named-notre-dame-coach.html
If his first request wasn't "can I use sex and/or recreational drug use to recruit barely literate players who make a mockery of the very concept of a "student-athlete," and then spend four years turning a blind eye to their misdeeds just like every other successful school?" he was very stupid to take that job. If he Did ask that question, and got a yes, then he'll be successful.
I'm assuming that anti-abortion protests are spontaneously breaking out on campus as I type this.
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Brian Kelly hired at ND.
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/12/report-brian-kelly-to-be-named-notre-dame-coach.html
If his first request wasn't "can I use sex and/or recreational drug use to recruit barely literate players who make a mockery of the very concept of a "student-athlete," and then spend four years turning a blind eye to their misdeeds just like every other successful school?" he was very stupid to take that job. If he Did ask that question, and got a yes, then he'll be successful.
I'm assuming that anti-abortion protests are spontaneously breaking out on campus as I type this.
Jebus what's this crap about the guy being too liberal? How liberal can a college football coach be anyway? What's this guy, the next Big Chief Triangle?
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College Bowl Pick 'Em anyone?
I'd be game.
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College Bowl Pick 'Em anyone?
I'd be game.
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Is it too late to get in, even though they've started bowling?
I'm pretty sure it's not too late. Try it and find out, Rogers Park.
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Jimmy looks thrilled.
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What recruit could resist South Bend babes like that?
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Steve Phillips wishes he had attended Notre Dame.
Now I'm even more impressed with Kerm.
What recruit could resist South Bend babes like that?
Ron Powlus.
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 17, 2009, 11:39:58 AM
Jimmy looks thrilled.
Jimmy looks like Peter Boyle's stunt double in Young Frankenstein.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 17, 2009, 01:01:02 PM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on December 17, 2009, 11:39:58 AM
Jimmy looks thrilled.
Jimmy Those chicks look like Peter Susan Boyle's stunt doubles in Young Frankenstein The Steve Phillips Story.
After School Special'd.
By the way, those are the two hottest chicks in South Bend.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on December 17, 2009, 02:27:27 PM
By the way, those are the two hottest chicks in South Bend.
Clearly, you've never been to the Kitty Kat Lounge.
Because those are dudes.
Quote from: MAD on December 17, 2009, 12:28:12 AM
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Quote from: Gil Gunderson on December 09, 2009, 09:39:02 PM
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College Bowl Pick 'Em anyone?
I'd be game.
Down.
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Is it too late to get in, even though they've started bowling?
The first game is Saturday. Still time.
Quote from: Shooter on December 17, 2009, 10:54:01 PM
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Quote from: Yeti on December 09, 2009, 10:53:30 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 09, 2009, 10:08:27 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on December 09, 2009, 09:39:02 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 09, 2009, 08:15:55 PM
College Bowl Pick 'Em anyone?
I'd be game.
Down.
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Password: tboneme
Is it too late to get in, even though they've started bowling?
The first game is Saturday. Still time.
Maybe I'm just a moron, but how do you actually Pick the teams you think will win? I can't actually find a place to do that.
Quote from: SKO on December 18, 2009, 07:58:12 AM
Quote from: Shooter on December 17, 2009, 10:54:01 PM
Quote from: MAD on December 17, 2009, 12:28:12 AM
Quote from: Yeti on December 09, 2009, 10:53:30 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 09, 2009, 10:08:27 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on December 09, 2009, 09:39:02 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 09, 2009, 08:15:55 PM
College Bowl Pick 'Em anyone?
I'd be game.
Down.
May we all wish death upon Florida: (http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/bowl/register/joinprivategroup)
Group ID#: 23242
Password: tboneme
Is it too late to get in, even though they've started bowling?
The first game is Saturday. Still time.
Maybe I'm just a moron, but how do you actually Pick the teams you think will win? I can't actually find a place to do that.
Right under the name of the league, it should say "Your Picks: (team name)". Click on the team name. That will put you where you want to be.
Quote from: Yeti on December 18, 2009, 08:05:43 AM
Quote from: SKO on December 18, 2009, 07:58:12 AM
Quote from: Shooter on December 17, 2009, 10:54:01 PM
Quote from: MAD on December 17, 2009, 12:28:12 AM
Quote from: Yeti on December 09, 2009, 10:53:30 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 09, 2009, 10:08:27 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on December 09, 2009, 09:39:02 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 09, 2009, 08:15:55 PM
College Bowl Pick 'Em anyone?
I'd be game.
Down.
May we all wish death upon Florida: (http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/bowl/register/joinprivategroup)
Group ID#: 23242
Password: tboneme
Is it too late to get in, even though they've started bowling?
The first game is Saturday. Still time.
Maybe I'm just a moron, but how do you actually Pick the teams you think will win? I can't actually find a place to do that.
Right under the name of the league, it should say "Your Picks: (team name)". Click on the team name. That will put you where you want to be.
Got it. Turns out I AM a moron.
Quote from: Shooter on December 17, 2009, 10:54:01 PM
Quote from: MAD on December 17, 2009, 12:28:12 AM
Quote from: Yeti on December 09, 2009, 10:53:30 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on December 09, 2009, 10:08:27 PM
Quote from: Gil Gunderson on December 09, 2009, 09:39:02 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 09, 2009, 08:15:55 PM
College Bowl Pick 'Em anyone?
I'd be game.
Down.
May we all wish death upon Florida: (http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/bowl/register/joinprivategroup)
Group ID#: 23242
Password: tboneme
Is it too late to get in, even though they've started bowling?
The first game is Saturday. Still time.
Yeah, I'm the guy that had Miami U in the Big East still earlier this year.
I'm in like Charlie Bauman, odges.
So where is Urban Meyer going?
Quote from: thehawk on December 26, 2009, 05:57:56 PM
So where is Urban Meyer going?
Sounds like the cardiologist.
Quote from: thehawk on December 26, 2009, 05:57:56 PM
So where is Urban Meyer going?
The Bears, where he'll be smart enough to start Caleb Hanie so the beloved can get back to playing Bear football next year!!1
GO BEAH
Quote from: Eli on December 28, 2009, 08:43:23 AM
Quote from: thehawk on December 26, 2009, 05:57:56 PM
So where is Urban Meyer going?
The Bears, where he'll be smart enough to start Caleb Hanie Timmy By God Tebow so the beloved can get back to playing Bear football next year!!1
3rd Round'ed.
I picture the Mike Leach's tenure at Texas Tech finishing up like George Costanza's at Play Now Sports (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnofMbHgHfc).
I'd like to thank the "u's" offensive coordinator for failing to look at the Northwestern game footage against Wisconsin. Badger pass rush looked excellent, but it took 56 minutes for them to figure out they could exploit the corners. I think this makes up for the 1989 slaughter I witnessed against them at Camp Randall.
Quote from: World B Free on December 29, 2009, 11:05:24 PM
I'd like to thank the "u's" offensive coordinator for failing to look at the Northwestern game footage against Wisconsin. Badger pass rush looked excellent, but it took 56 minutes for them to figure out they could exploit the corners. I think this makes up for the 1989 slaughter I witnessed against them at Camp Randall.
"We scored first!"
Quote from: Shooter on December 29, 2009, 11:17:22 PM
Quote from: World B Free on December 29, 2009, 11:05:24 PM
I'd like to thank the "u's" offensive coordinator for failing to look at the Northwestern game footage against Wisconsin. Badger pass rush looked excellent, but it took 56 minutes for them to figure out they could exploit the corners. I think this makes up for the 1989 slaughter I witnessed against them at Camp Randall.
"We scored first!"
Lol, I think the final was like 52-3 in that 1989 game. Was that DEnnis Erickson coaching that team or was Jimmy Johnson still there? A friend of mine and I were debating that tonight.
Quote from: World B Free on December 29, 2009, 11:24:58 PM
Quote from: Shooter on December 29, 2009, 11:17:22 PM
Quote from: World B Free on December 29, 2009, 11:05:24 PM
I'd like to thank the "u's" offensive coordinator for failing to look at the Northwestern game footage against Wisconsin. Badger pass rush looked excellent, but it took 56 minutes for them to figure out they could exploit the corners. I think this makes up for the 1989 slaughter I witnessed against them at Camp Randall.
"We scored first!"
Lol, I think the final was like 52-3 in that 1989 game. Was that DEnnis Erickson coaching that team or was Jimmy Johnson still there? A friend of mine and I were debating that tonight.
Erickson was coaching the Canes in '89.
I remember because I'm still haunted by
Craig Erickson's third and thirty conversion from inside his own 10 against Notre Dame two days after Thanksgiving that year.
Quote from: Shooter on December 29, 2009, 08:54:44 PM
I picture the Mike Leach's tenure at Texas Tech finishing up like George Costanza's at Play Now Sports (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnofMbHgHfc).
That episode was just on earlier this week.
Quote from: MAD on December 30, 2009, 08:13:07 AM
Quote from: World B Free on December 29, 2009, 11:24:58 PM
Quote from: Shooter on December 29, 2009, 11:17:22 PM
Quote from: World B Free on December 29, 2009, 11:05:24 PM
I'd like to thank the "u's" offensive coordinator for failing to look at the Northwestern game footage against Wisconsin. Badger pass rush looked excellent, but it took 56 minutes for them to figure out they could exploit the corners. I think this makes up for the 1989 slaughter I witnessed against them at Camp Randall.
"We scored first!"
Lol, I think the final was like 52-3 in that 1989 game. Was that DEnnis Erickson coaching that team or was Jimmy Johnson still there? A friend of mine and I were debating that tonight.
Erickson was coaching the Canes in '89.
I remember because I'm still haunted by Craig Erickson's third and thirty conversion from inside his own 10 against Notre Dame two days after Thanksgiving that year.
Thanks for reminding me. Now I'm picturing the play before that when Devon McDonald failed miserably to scoop up a fumble inside the 15 instead of falling on it and giving ND a chance to turn that game around.
I am getting simple minded in my dottage. Given how poorly the Pac 10 has done so far in bowl games (Arizona, Oregon State and my beloved Cal), I will be rooting for Stanfoo to beat Oklahoma today. And, of course, GO DUCKS.
Northwestern commits turnovers like they're part of the playbook, Demos can't hit the ocean from the beach, and there was absolutely nothing out of the running game. Yet Auburn repeatedly gave away golden opportunities to win the game and NU choked. First and goal needing six points to win, and they can't get it done? I think this is where I say something about gutless assholes.
Why not run a real play, with your best players at their best positions with the best chance to succeed, instead of asking a wide receiver to convert a do-or-die short yardage run? Baffling.
Quote from: C-C-Cats on January 01, 2010, 02:19:05 PM
Northwestern commits turnovers like they're part of the playbook, Demos can't hit the ocean from the beach, and there was absolutely nothing out of the running game. Yet Auburn repeatedly gave away golden opportunities to win the game and NU choked. First and goal needing six points to win, and they can't get it done? I think this is where I say something about gutless assholes.
Why not run a real play, with your best players at their best positions with the best chance to succeed, instead of asking a wide receiver to convert a do-or-die short yardage run? Baffling.
Call them a lot of things, but gutless isn't one of them. Kafka looked like Jay Utler in the first half with all the redzone turnovers, but he brought them back from 14 down twice (and had to do it on his own. Demos was just awful awful, ironic because he has been good all year. Also liked the trick play call, I couldn't think of a worse place to have a backup kicker kick his first kick, and the play very nearly worked, just needed a slightly better downfield block.
Quote from: thehawk on January 02, 2010, 09:25:41 AM
Quote from: C-C-Cats on January 01, 2010, 02:19:05 PM
Northwestern commits turnovers like they're part of the playbook, Demos can't hit the ocean from the beach, and there was absolutely nothing out of the running game. Yet Auburn repeatedly gave away golden opportunities to win the game and NU choked. First and goal needing six points to win, and they can't get it done? I think this is where I say something about gutless assholes.
Why not run a real play, with your best players at their best positions with the best chance to succeed, instead of asking a wide receiver to convert a do-or-die short yardage run? Baffling.
Call them a lot of things, but gutless isn't one of them. Kafka looked like Jay Utler in the first half with all the redzone turnovers, but he brought them back from 14 down twice (and had to do it on his own. Demos was just awful awful, ironic because he has been good all year. Also liked the trick play call, I couldn't think of a worse place to have a backup kicker kick his first kick, and the play very nearly worked, just needed a slightly better downfield block.
That was sarcasm.
As for blaming Wootton for the block, that's another reason why I disagree with the play call. Don't ask a defensive end to make the key block on the last play of the season. Run an actual play (like they did on the 2-pt conversion) so trained, skilled blockers can do what they do best.
Blackerry doesn't get green font. Apparently the play was a Walker play they regularly practice but the ball carrier got a bit antsy and didn't wait long enough to let the play develop. Still like the idea of winning it on that play.
Go diddle your asshole, SKO.
Quote from: ChuckD on January 05, 2010, 07:37:28 PM
Go diddle your asshole, SKO.
And you diddle it angrily.
So the Orange Bowl is on now, on some random Tuesday. What the hell happened to college football? Does anybody give a shit about these bowls anymore? Or even know when they are being played?
Quote from: Tony on January 05, 2010, 09:03:56 PM
So the Orange Bowl is on now, on some random Tuesday. What the hell happened to college football? Does anybody give a shit about these bowls anymore? Or even know when they are being played?
I know the GMAC Bowl is on tomorrow. Which is about two and a half months later than it should to be played if they're still using the "later=more prestigious" bowl scheduling method.
Quote from: ChuckD on January 05, 2010, 09:11:13 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 05, 2010, 09:03:56 PM
So the Orange Bowl is on now, on some random Tuesday. What the hell happened to college football? Does anybody give a shit about these bowls anymore? Or even know when they are being played?
I know the GMAC Bowl is on tomorrow. Which is about two and a half months later than it should to be played if they're still using the "later=more prestigious" bowl scheduling method.
Maybe it's really early for next year.
Quote from: ChuckD on January 05, 2010, 07:53:16 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on January 05, 2010, 07:37:28 PM
Go diddle your asshole, SKO.
And you diddle it angrily.
Fair enough. I bear no ill will towards Iowa. I didn't believe they were a national championship quality team. I still don't. But I've never once had a bad thing to say about their defensive front seven, because those guys are outstanding and have been all year, and that's what won them that game.
Quote from: SKO on January 06, 2010, 07:20:15 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on January 05, 2010, 07:53:16 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on January 05, 2010, 07:37:28 PM
Go diddle your asshole, SKO.
And you diddle it angrily.
Fair enough. I bear no ill will towards Iowa. I didn't believe they were a national championship quality team. I still don't. But I've never once had a bad thing to say about their defensive front seven, because those guys are outstanding and have been all year, and that's what won them that game.
I'm trying to remember the last time the Big Ten performed this well in a bowl season. Wins for the the top 4 teams in the league, all against Top 15 opponents? I'm frightened and confused.
Georgia Tech had the most retro offense I have seen in a long time.
Heralded as the "coldest orange bowl ever" (http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/colleges/story/1411409.html). Meanwhile, I'm watching back in Omaha, NE where's -15below...
Quote from: gehradam on January 06, 2010, 10:45:29 AM
Heralded as the "coldest orange bowl ever" (http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/colleges/story/1411409.html). Meanwhile, I'm watching back in Omaha, NE where's -15below...
We get it, you're retarded.
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on January 06, 2010, 10:59:46 AM
Quote from: gehradam on January 06, 2010, 10:45:29 AM
Heralded as the "coldest orange bowl ever" (http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/colleges/story/1411409.html). Meanwhile, I'm watching back in Omaha, NE where's -15below...
We get it, you're retarded.
shit, I knew there was something I was forgetting
If Pete Carroll leaves for the NFL, is he the dumbest human being alive? Discuss.
Quote from: Slack-E on January 09, 2010, 08:09:26 PM
If Pete Carroll leaves for the NFL, is he the dumbest human being alive? Discuss.
Ask that question in 2005 and you're correct.
My guess is that the NCAA is about to buttrape USC for it's free SUV/House recruiting program and Carroll decided he'd rather make $5 million a year not having to re-rebuild the Trojans.
Quote from: Ivy6 on January 09, 2010, 08:28:58 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on January 09, 2010, 08:09:26 PM
If Pete Carroll leaves for the NFL, is he the dumbest human being alive? Discuss.
Ask that question in 2005 and you're correct.
My guess is that the NCAA is about to buttrape USC for it's free SUV/House recruiting program and Carroll decided he'd rather make an extra $1.5 million a year not having to re-rebuild the Trojans.
Quote from: Ivy6 on January 09, 2010, 08:28:58 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on January 09, 2010, 08:09:26 PM
If Pete Carroll leaves for the NFL, is he the dumbest human being alive? Discuss.
Ask that question in 2005 and you're correct.
My guess is that the NCAA is about to buttrape USC for it's free SUV/House recruiting program and Carroll decided he'd rather make $5 million a year not having to re-rebuild the Trojans.
This is something that did not occur to me, dude. Too many thai sticks.
Quote from: Slack-E on January 09, 2010, 08:49:13 PM
Quote from: Ivy6 on January 09, 2010, 08:28:58 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on January 09, 2010, 08:09:26 PM
If Pete Carroll leaves for the NFL, is he the dumbest human being alive? Discuss.
Ask that question in 2005 and you're correct.
My guess is that the NCAA is about to buttrape USC for it's free SUV/House recruiting program and Carroll decided he'd rather make $5 million a year not having to re-rebuild the Trojans.
This is something that did not occur to me, dude. Too many thai sticks.
So does this mean Cutler isn't going to get his guy to run the offense? Are we going to be stuck with Martz?
Quote from: Ivy6 on January 09, 2010, 08:28:58 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on January 09, 2010, 08:09:26 PM
If Pete Carroll leaves for the NFL, is he the dumbest human being alive? Discuss.
Ask that question in 2005 and you're correct.
My guess is that the NCAA is about to buttrape USC for it's free SUV/House recruiting program and Carroll decided he'd rather make $5 million a year not having to re-rebuild the Trojans.
Yep. Especially since the football team and the basketball team are both under fire.
Quote from: Tony on January 09, 2010, 09:03:58 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on January 09, 2010, 08:49:13 PM
Quote from: Ivy6 on January 09, 2010, 08:28:58 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on January 09, 2010, 08:09:26 PM
If Pete Carroll leaves for the NFL, is he the dumbest human being alive? Discuss.
Ask that question in 2005 and you're correct.
My guess is that the NCAA is about to buttrape USC for it's free SUV/House recruiting program and Carroll decided he'd rather make $5 million a year not having to re-rebuild the Trojans.
This is something that did not occur to me, dude. Too many thai sticks.
So does this mean Cutler isn't going to get his guy to run the offense? Are we going to be stuck with Martz?
Cutler's guy is going to Seattle with Uncle Pete.
Quote from: Slack-E on January 11, 2010, 11:26:50 AM
Quote from: Tony on January 09, 2010, 09:03:58 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on January 09, 2010, 08:49:13 PM
Quote from: Ivy6 on January 09, 2010, 08:28:58 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on January 09, 2010, 08:09:26 PM
If Pete Carroll leaves for the NFL, is he the dumbest human being alive? Discuss.
Ask that question in 2005 and you're correct.
My guess is that the NCAA is about to buttrape USC for it's free SUV/House recruiting program and Carroll decided he'd rather make $5 million a year not having to re-rebuild the Trojans.
This is something that did not occur to me, dude. Too many thai sticks.
So does this mean Cutler isn't going to get his guy to run the offense? Are we going to be stuck with Martz?
Cutler's guy is going to Seattle with Uncle Pete.
I hope Cutler has another guy.
Quote from: Tony on January 11, 2010, 11:30:52 AM
Quote from: Slack-E on January 11, 2010, 11:26:50 AM
Quote from: Tony on January 09, 2010, 09:03:58 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on January 09, 2010, 08:49:13 PM
Quote from: Ivy6 on January 09, 2010, 08:28:58 PM
Quote from: Slack-E on January 09, 2010, 08:09:26 PM
If Pete Carroll leaves for the NFL, is he the dumbest human being alive? Discuss.
Ask that question in 2005 and you're correct.
My guess is that the NCAA is about to buttrape USC for it's free SUV/House recruiting program and Carroll decided he'd rather make $5 million a year not having to re-rebuild the Trojans.
This is something that did not occur to me, dude. Too many thai sticks.
So does this mean Cutler isn't going to get his guy to run the offense? Are we going to be stuck with Martz?
Cutler's guy is going to Seattle with Uncle Pete.
I hope Cutler has another guy.
Troy Aikman can find one for him. [/Fork]
Dear Horse God,
I know I don't usually pray to you. Sometimes I doubt you even exist. But if you're willing to grant me this one wish, please stamp your hoof once.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2798/4266573507_31238bd66f_o.jpg)
Quote from: Kermit IV on January 11, 2010, 03:56:33 PM
Dear Horse God,
I know I don't usually pray to you. Sometimes I doubt you even exist. But if you're willing to grant me this one wish, please stamp your hoof once.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2798/4266573507_31238bd66f_o.jpg)
Racist.
Quote from: Internet Apex on January 11, 2010, 04:08:50 PM
Quote from: Kermit IV on January 11, 2010, 03:56:33 PM
Dear Horse God,
I know I don't usually pray to you. Sometimes I doubt you even exist. But if you're willing to grant me this one wish, please stamp your hoof once.
Racist.
Kermit is more black than Pete Carroll.
I wish I knew some Tennessee fans right now. Good golly, they might be better off without this scumbag. (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/One-year-in-Lane-Kiffin-ditches-Tennessee-for-o;_ylt=AkoMybA6HEgN7KLtaPZEe_45nYcB?urn=ncaaf,213265)
College football is a cesspool.
Quote from: Slack-E on January 12, 2010, 09:29:45 PM
I wish I knew some Tennessee fans right now. Good golly, they might be better off without this scumbag. (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/One-year-in-Lane-Kiffin-ditches-Tennessee-for-o;_ylt=AkoMybA6HEgN7KLtaPZEe_45nYcB?urn=ncaaf,213265)
College football is a cesspool.
Kiffin will regret returning to California when one of Al Davis' agents rubberbands a plastic bag over his head some night.
Quote from: Slack-E on January 12, 2010, 09:29:45 PM
I wish I knew some Tennessee fans right now. Good golly, they might be better off without this scumbag. (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/One-year-in-Lane-Kiffin-ditches-Tennessee-for-o;_ylt=AkoMybA6HEgN7KLtaPZEe_45nYcB?urn=ncaaf,213265)
College football is a cesspool.
Tennessee fans are taking this really well.
http://twitter.com/Andy_Staples/status/7694602904
http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2010/jan/12/students-fans-greet-kiffin-obscenities/
Wow. Kiffin sounds like an absolute cockgobbler (http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2010/01/12/volunteer-sources-say-kiffin-never-embraced-tennessee/).
Quote from: Andy on December 08, 2009, 01:21:00 PM
Hell, it's not like the QB on a two-win team can win the Heisman, or anything.
Oh, and Jimmy Clausen didn't get invited to the Heisman ceremony because he wasn't the best player on his team. Why Golden Tate didn't get invited is another story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hornung
Because this seems to be the most recent mention of Golden Tate...looks like found himself a good dealer (http://www.tmz.com/2010/06/08/golden-tate-donut-shop-seattle-seahawks-notre-dame-wide-receiever-police-trespassing-debacle-top-pot-donuts/) in Seattke already.
Since someone else bumped this, does that mean I can talk about football in June? Not Golden Tate, because he's gay, Notre Dame is gay, and Notre Dame players, fans, alumni, and mascots are gay. But you know, non-gay football teams and players and whatnot.
Knock yourself out.
I, for one, look forward to watching Nebraska get its ass kicked on a weekly basis in the Big 10.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on June 09, 2010, 08:13:17 AM
Knock yourself out.
I, for one, look forward to watching Nebraska get its ass kicked on a weekly basis in the Big 10.
They still get to play Illinois. So that should be hilarious.
So what's going on with all this realignment mumbo jumbo? Apparently Jim Delany is some sort of evil genius? (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-expansion060610)
QuoteThere are two major revenue streams left in college sports – football television contracts and a football postseason. (The men's basketball tournament is essentially maxed out.)
It's clear now that Delany used opposition to a football playoff not to preserve some bit of "tradition." His expansion plans clearly indicate he cares nothing about that. It certainly wasn't done for the sake of aiding Big Ten football, since a playoff with on-campus home games likely would've helped his teams.
The goal was to starve out the Big 12, Big East and even the ACC of the hundreds of millions a playoff would've given them and thus turn the future of college sports into a battle of television sets.
Delany couldn't assure that the Big Ten would've done well in a football playoff. Maybe the league would've succeeded, maybe not. With 26 percent of the nation's population, tradition rich clubs and its own cable network though, the Big Ten will always dominate if everything boils down to TV revenue.
It was a genius, cut-throat play. He set the terms of the game so he'd win. The Pac-10, led by aggressive new commissioner Larry Scott, is taking advantage also. I'm not blaming Delany here. I may not believe a 16-team Big Ten (or Pac-10) is in the best interest of the league's current members (or the NCAA as a whole), but it's not that big of a deal to me. Whatever happens, happens. Besides, it's not Delany's fault he's smarter than the other guys.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on June 09, 2010, 08:13:17 AM
Knock yourself out.
I, for one, look forward to watching Nebraska get its ass kicked on a weekly basis in the Big 10.
......You go right ahead. Nebraska's defense is outstanding, and Bo Pelini is a great coach. If they can make any kind of improvement on offense, they'd be in the upper echelon of the Big 10/11/14/16. Maybe not as good as Ohio State, Iowa, or maybe Penn State, but capable of hanging with those three and beating most of the others.
Quote from: SKO on June 09, 2010, 08:48:26 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on June 09, 2010, 08:13:17 AM
Knock yourself out.
I, for one, look forward to watching Nebraska get its ass kicked on a weekly basis in the Big 10.
......You go right ahead. Nebraska's defense is outstanding, and Bo Pelini is a great coach. If they can make any kind of improvement on offense, they'd be in the upper echelon of the Big 10/11/14/16. Maybe not as good as Ohio State, Iowa, or maybe Penn State, but capable of hanging with those three and beating most of the others.
I agree with this. Maybe one day they'll be as good as Northwestern. (ducks)
Quote from: Slaky on June 09, 2010, 09:01:45 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 09, 2010, 08:48:26 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on June 09, 2010, 08:13:17 AM
Knock yourself out.
I, for one, look forward to watching Nebraska get its ass kicked on a weekly basis in the Big 10.
......You go right ahead. Nebraska's defense is outstanding, and Bo Pelini is a great coach. If they can make any kind of improvement on offense, they'd be in the upper echelon of the Big 10/11/14/16. Maybe not as good as Ohio State, Iowa, or maybe Penn State, but capable of hanging with those three and beating most of the others.
I agree with this. Maybe one day they'll be as good as Northwestern. (ducks)
Let's just go with the potential group we're looking at. I'll go with a 14 team league and assume they added Pitt, Mizzou, and Nebraska (three teams that were supposedly among their top targets but I'm not sure how I'm going to handle Wannstedt in the same fucking conference)
Break that into two 7 team divisions?
I would assume Michigan and Ohio State have to be in the same division. Which kind of makes a straight east/west division wonky. Let's assume Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Indiana, and Purdue formed the East, and Illinois, Iowa, Mizzou, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin, and Minnesota formed the west. I would assume you'd see standings often looking like this
Ohio State
Penn State
Michigan
Michigan State
Pittsburgh
Purdue
Indiana
and
Iowa
Nebraska
NW
Mizzou
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Illinoize
Does Northern play Illinois this year?
Quote from: MAD on June 09, 2010, 11:01:21 AM
Does Northern play Illinois this year?
Sept. 18th in Champaign.
Quote from: CT III on June 09, 2010, 11:27:18 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 09, 2010, 11:23:35 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 09, 2010, 11:18:03 AM
Quote from: MAD on June 09, 2010, 11:01:21 AM
Does Northern play Illinois this year?
Sept. 18th in Champaign.
I hope we lose.
To a directional school?!?
I'm sick of our football team. It's a joke. Something needs to change - maybe losing to NIU would help. They've been better than us almost every year except the Rose Bowl year since I can remember, anyway.
Seeing as how about 50% of this messageboard has either graduated from Illinois or NIU, that would be a good Desipio Drinking Fest kinda day, provided people aren't actually planning on attending the game.
On second thought....Desipio Road Trip? We can borrow BC's brother's Lincoln.
Quote from: Yeti on June 09, 2010, 11:45:51 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 09, 2010, 11:23:35 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 09, 2010, 11:18:03 AM
Quote from: MAD on June 09, 2010, 11:01:21 AM
Does Northern play Illinois this year?
Sept. 18th in Champaign.
I hope we lose.
2 brothers playing foosball these days?
No more foosball - just me being bitter at my school's shitty football program.
Quote from: Slaky on June 09, 2010, 01:07:10 PM
Quote from: Yeti on June 09, 2010, 11:45:51 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 09, 2010, 11:23:35 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 09, 2010, 11:18:03 AM
Quote from: MAD on June 09, 2010, 11:01:21 AM
Does Northern play Illinois this year?
Sept. 18th in Champaign.
I hope we lose.
2 brothers playing foosball these days?
No more foosball - just me being bitter at my school's shitty football program.
I'm still nursing my private fantasy that Ron Zook will get canned and replaced by Mike Leach. He can lock Craig James' whole family in closet if he wants.
Quote from: SKO on June 09, 2010, 01:38:45 PM
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Quote from: Yeti on June 09, 2010, 11:45:51 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 09, 2010, 11:23:35 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 09, 2010, 11:18:03 AM
Quote from: MAD on June 09, 2010, 11:01:21 AM
Does Northern play Illinois this year?
Sept. 18th in Champaign.
I hope we lose.
2 brothers playing foosball these days?
No more foosball - just me being bitter at my school's shitty football program.
I'm still nursing my private fantasy that Ron Zook will get canned and replaced by Mike Leach. He can lock Craig James' whole family in closet if he wants.
As a fan of a rival team, I think Zook is doing a fantastic job and I look forward to his lifetime contract extension from the Orange and Blue.
As I was saying in the SBox today, we can do something for either the NIU v. UofI tilt or the SIU v. UofI tilt, the latter is on PATRIOT'S DAY, so who knows.
Also, the SIU game is also a night game, 6:30pm start.
ILL...
At this point, as far as Illinois football is concerned, I'd rather watch the Cubs.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 09, 2010, 02:09:10 PM
As I was saying in the SBox today, we can do something for either the NIU v. UofI tilt or the SIU v. UofI tilt, the latter is on PATRIOT'S DAY, so who knows.
Also, the SIU game is also a night game, 6:30pm start.
ILL...
NIU!
Orangebloods.com is reporting Nebraska's board of regents has accepted an offer to join the Big Ten with an announcement coming on Friday. Chris Mortensen says Tom Osborne has informed staff of the move, and Fox Sports Ohio claims to confirm that a formal offer was extended.
Gotta love Pete Carroll's decision to flee USC. USC football to get a 2 year postseason ban.
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=5267933
Quote from: BH on June 10, 2010, 09:33:22 AM
Gotta love Pete Carroll's decision to flee USC. USC football to get a 2 year postseason ban.
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=5267933
Smoke, fire. Yadda yadda. College football is a shady, shady business.
Quote from: Slaky on June 10, 2010, 10:05:34 AM
Quote from: BH on June 10, 2010, 09:33:22 AM
Gotta love Pete Carroll's decision to flee USC. USC football to get a 2 year postseason ban.
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=5267933
Smoke, fire. Yadda yadda. College football is a shady, shady business.
Yeah. At least they're paying Lane Kiffin $4 million a year to not win a bowl game his first two years. Glorious. The best part is, that fucker can't even really play the "it's not my fault what the last staff did" card, because he was their coordinator and top recruiter when Reggie Bush was there. Fuck you, Kiffykins.
Quote from: SKO on June 10, 2010, 10:11:48 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 10, 2010, 10:05:34 AM
Quote from: BH on June 10, 2010, 09:33:22 AM
Gotta love Pete Carroll's decision to flee USC. USC football to get a 2 year postseason ban.
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=5267933
Smoke, fire. Yadda yadda. College football is a shady, shady business.
Yeah. At least they're paying Lane Kiffin $4 million a year to not win a bowl game his first two years. Glorious. The best part is, that fucker can't even really play the "it's not my fault what the last staff did" card, because he was their coordinator and top recruiter when Reggie Bush was there. Fuck you, Kiffykins.
Forgot about that bit of excellence. Suck a veiny one, Lane.
Quote from: Slaky on June 10, 2010, 10:18:39 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 10, 2010, 10:11:48 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 10, 2010, 10:05:34 AM
Quote from: BH on June 10, 2010, 09:33:22 AM
Gotta love Pete Carroll's decision to flee USC. USC football to get a 2 year postseason ban.
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=5267933
Smoke, fire. Yadda yadda. College football is a shady, shady business.
Yeah. At least they're paying Lane Kiffin $4 million a year to not win a bowl game his first two years. Glorious. The best part is, that fucker can't even really play the "it's not my fault what the last staff did" card, because he was their coordinator and top recruiter when Reggie Bush was there. Fuck you, Kiffykins.
Forgot about that bit of excellence. Suck a veiny one, Lane.
Does this mean the Illini won the Rose Bowl?
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 10, 2010, 10:19:29 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 10, 2010, 10:18:39 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 10, 2010, 10:11:48 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 10, 2010, 10:05:34 AM
Quote from: BH on June 10, 2010, 09:33:22 AM
Gotta love Pete Carroll's decision to flee USC. USC football to get a 2 year postseason ban.
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=5267933
Smoke, fire. Yadda yadda. College football is a shady, shady business.
Yeah. At least they're paying Lane Kiffin $4 million a year to not win a bowl game his first two years. Glorious. The best part is, that fucker can't even really play the "it's not my fault what the last staff did" card, because he was their coordinator and top recruiter when Reggie Bush was there. Fuck you, Kiffykins.
Forgot about that bit of excellence. Suck a veiny one, Lane.
Does this mean the Illini won the Rose Bowl?
......Yes. 17-0. BET YOU WISH YOU PEOPLE HAD BEEN NICER TO JUICE NOW!
Quote from: SKO on June 10, 2010, 10:11:48 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 10, 2010, 10:05:34 AM
Quote from: BH on June 10, 2010, 09:33:22 AM
Gotta love Pete Carroll's decision to flee USC. USC football to get a 2 year postseason ban.
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=5267933
Smoke, fire. Yadda yadda. College football is a shady, shady business.
Yeah. At least they're paying Lane Kiffin $4 million a year to not win a bowl game his first two years. Glorious. The best part is, that fucker can't even really play the "it's not my fault what the last staff did" card, because he was their coordinator and top recruiter when Reggie Bush was there. Fuck you, Kiffykins.
Fuck Lane Kiffin.
DPD. That also means this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJhktBHplvg) never happened. Although if you asked Juice, he probably doesn't remember it anyways.
Trifecta Posting Douche- this (http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2010/6/10/1510697/lane-kiffin-and-others-receive-the#storyjump) is exactly how it went down.
Quote from: BH on June 10, 2010, 09:33:22 AM
Gotta love Pete Carroll's decision to flee USC. USC football to get a 2 year postseason ban.
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=5267933
This is awesome.
(Throws up a high-five for Stew.)
Are there any suggestions Carroll was involved in the violations?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 10, 2010, 11:34:59 AM
Are there any suggestions Carroll was involved in the violations?
No, of course not.
DPD- Colorado now in the Pac 10. http://www.sbnation.com/2010/6/10/1511256/pac-10-expansion-colorado-big-12-announcement-friday-
Good night, hellspawn of the Big Eight and the Southwest Conference.
Quote from: SKO on June 10, 2010, 12:03:58 PM
DPD- Colorado now in the Pac 10. http://www.sbnation.com/2010/6/10/1511256/pac-10-expansion-colorado-big-12-announcement-friday-
Hopefully Utah gets in so people like Yeti can stop saying how awesome they are.
Quote from: Slaky on June 10, 2010, 12:13:16 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 10, 2010, 12:03:58 PM
DPD- Colorado now in the Pac 10. http://www.sbnation.com/2010/6/10/1511256/pac-10-expansion-colorado-big-12-announcement-friday-
Hopefully Utah gets in so people like Yeti can stop saying how awesome they are.
I prefer the scenario where the Pac 10 absorbs Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State, while Boise State jumps from the WAC to the Mountain West, which then takes the Big 12's vacated spot as one of the six BCS conferences, because TCU, Boise State, BYU, and Utah all in the same conference would make them a force to be reckoned with. At least better than the Big East. Especially if the Big 10 really does steal Rutgers and the Fighting Wannstedts.
Quote from: Slaky on June 10, 2010, 12:13:16 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 10, 2010, 12:03:58 PM
DPD- Colorado now in the Pac 10. http://www.sbnation.com/2010/6/10/1511256/pac-10-expansion-colorado-big-12-announcement-friday-
Hopefully Utah gets in so people like Yeti can stop saying how awesome they are.
If Utah and Boise join a BCS conference and get their asses waxed, I will personally buy the piano wire for you fuckers to hang my fat ass up.
Quote from: Yeti on June 10, 2010, 12:23:28 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 10, 2010, 12:13:16 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 10, 2010, 12:03:58 PM
DPD- Colorado now in the Pac 10. http://www.sbnation.com/2010/6/10/1511256/pac-10-expansion-colorado-big-12-announcement-friday-
Hopefully Utah gets in so people like Yeti can stop saying how awesome they are.
If Utah and Boise join a BCS conference and get their asses waxed, I will personally buy the piano wire for you fuckers to hang my fat ass up.
Will you also spring for the drywall to frame in your fat ass after hanging you up?
Quote from: Kermit IV on June 10, 2010, 11:04:38 AM
Quote from: BH on June 10, 2010, 09:33:22 AM
Gotta love Pete Carroll's decision to flee USC. USC football to get a 2 year postseason ban.
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=5267933
This is awesome.
(Throws up a high-five for Stew.)
Tonight I open that 10 year old Cabernet.
I saw Reggie Bush play against Cal. The last time was at the L.A. Coliseum. Did you know that it is on the USC campus? Or should I say that there are some school buildings where the football team plays? Like most college venues the bulk of the seats reserved for the visiting team's fans are in the end zone. But unlike most college venues, in the Coliseum the visiting teams fans sit in the end zone are separated from the USC fans by a chain link fence. That is not to prevent us from wandering into the desirable rooting section seats. It is for our protection. USC fans stand along the length of the fence, from field level row one to nosebleed row 125. They stand there, staring at us. They stand there, growling, drooling and spitting. They mutter. They suggest that my birth was the result of my mother's show business career with a troop of libidinous donkeys. They throw things at us. Alcoholic drinks. Body fluids resulting from the ingestion of alcoholic drinks. Used latex products. You are grateful for that chain link fence. It protects you from some very bad and dangerous people. I am not talking about the fraternity boys, they are passed out in the rooting section. I am talking about the ladies who gave birth to the fraternity boys.
Quote from: CBStew on June 10, 2010, 10:20:25 PM
I saw Reggie Bush play against Cal. The last time was at the L.A. Coliseum. Did you know that it is on the USC campus? Or should I say that there are some school buildings where the football team plays? Like most college venues the bulk of the seats reserved for the visiting team's fans are in the end zone. But unlike most college venues, in the Coliseum the visiting teams fans sit in the end zone are separated from the USC fans by a chain link fence. That is not to prevent us from wandering into the desirable rooting section seats. It is for our protection. USC fans stand along the length of the fence, from field level row one to nosebleed row 125. They stand there, staring at us. They stand there, growling, drooling and spitting. They mutter. They suggest that my birth was the result of my mother's show business career with a troop of libidinous donkeys. They throw things at us. Alcoholic drinks. Body fluids resulting from the ingestion of alcoholic drinks. Used latex products. You are grateful for that chain link fence. It protects you from some very bad and dangerous people. I am not talking about the fraternity boys, they are passed out in the rooting section. I am talking about the ladies who gave birth to the fraternity boys.
And once again THIS is why I spend too much time here.
Quote from: CBStew on June 10, 2010, 10:20:25 PM
I saw Reggie Bush play against Cal. The last time was at the L.A. Coliseum. Did you know that it is on the USC campus? Or should I say that there are some school buildings where the football team plays? Like most college venues the bulk of the seats reserved for the visiting team's fans are in the end zone. But unlike most college venues, in the Coliseum the visiting teams fans sit in the end zone are separated from the USC fans by a chain link fence. That is not to prevent us from wandering into the desirable rooting section seats. It is for our protection. USC fans stand along the length of the fence, from field level row one to nosebleed row 125. They stand there, staring at us. They stand there, growling, drooling and spitting. They mutter. They suggest that my birth was the result of my mother's show business career with a troop of libidinous donkeys. They throw things at us. Alcoholic drinks. Body fluids resulting from the ingestion of alcoholic drinks. Used latex products. You are grateful for that chain link fence. It protects you from some very bad and dangerous people. I am not talking about the fraternity boys, they are passed out in the rooting section. I am talking about the ladies who gave birth to the fraternity boys.
We get it, you're an old cranky guy that hates college fun.
I was going to post something, but I can't follow Stew.
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on June 10, 2010, 11:36:00 PM
Quote from: CBStew on June 10, 2010, 10:20:25 PM
I saw Reggie Bush play against Cal. The last time was at the L.A. Coliseum. Did you know that it is on the USC campus? Or should I say that there are some school buildings where the football team plays? Like most college venues the bulk of the seats reserved for the visiting team's fans are in the end zone. But unlike most college venues, in the Coliseum the visiting teams fans sit in the end zone are separated from the USC fans by a chain link fence. That is not to prevent us from wandering into the desirable rooting section seats. It is for our protection. USC fans stand along the length of the fence, from field level row one to nosebleed row 125. They stand there, staring at us. They stand there, growling, drooling and spitting. They mutter. They suggest that my birth was the result of my mother's show business career with a troop of libidinous donkeys. They throw things at us. Alcoholic drinks. Body fluids resulting from the ingestion of alcoholic drinks. Used latex products. You are grateful for that chain link fence. It protects you from some very bad and dangerous people. I am not talking about the fraternity boys, they are passed out in the rooting section. I am talking about the ladies who gave birth to the fraternity boys.
We get it, you're an old cranky guy that hates college fun.
What does a guy who went to Concordia know about "college fun"?
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on June 10, 2010, 11:36:00 PM
Quote from: CBStew on June 10, 2010, 10:20:25 PM
I saw Reggie Bush play against Cal. The last time was at the L.A. Coliseum. Did you know that it is on the USC campus? Or should I say that there are some school buildings where the football team plays? Like most college venues the bulk of the seats reserved for the visiting team's fans are in the end zone. But unlike most college venues, in the Coliseum the visiting teams fans sit in the end zone are separated from the USC fans by a chain link fence. That is not to prevent us from wandering into the desirable rooting section seats. It is for our protection. USC fans stand along the length of the fence, from field level row one to nosebleed row 125. They stand there, staring at us. They stand there, growling, drooling and spitting. They mutter. They suggest that my birth was the result of my mother's show business career with a troop of libidinous donkeys. They throw things at us. Alcoholic drinks. Body fluids resulting from the ingestion of alcoholic drinks. Used latex products. You are grateful for that chain link fence. It protects you from some very bad and dangerous people. I am not talking about the fraternity boys, they are passed out in the rooting section. I am talking about the ladies who gave birth to the fraternity boys.
We get it, you're an old cranky guy that hates college fun.
Old cranky guy's posts make me laugh and entertain me. Your fun college posts do not.
Quote from: CBStew on June 10, 2010, 10:20:25 PM
I saw Reggie Bush play against Cal. The last time was at the L.A. Coliseum. Did you know that it is on the USC campus? Or should I say that there are some school buildings where the football team plays? Like most college venues the bulk of the seats reserved for the visiting team's fans are in the end zone. But unlike most college venues, in the Coliseum the visiting teams fans sit in the end zone are separated from the USC fans by a chain link fence. That is not to prevent us from wandering into the desirable rooting section seats. It is for our protection. USC fans stand along the length of the fence, from field level row one to nosebleed row 125. They stand there, staring at us. They stand there, growling, drooling and spitting. They mutter. They suggest that my birth was the result of my mother's show business career with a troop of libidinous donkeys. They throw things at us. Alcoholic drinks. Body fluids resulting from the ingestion of alcoholic drinks. Used latex products. You are grateful for that chain link fence. It protects you from some very bad and dangerous people. I am not talking about the fraternity boys, they are passed out in the rooting section. I am talking about the ladies who gave birth to the fraternity boys.
This amused me. USC fans have done one good thing (http://deadspin.com/140673/athlete-run+ins-messing-with-cade) though.
Quote from: R-V on June 11, 2010, 08:50:38 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on June 10, 2010, 11:36:00 PM
Quote from: CBStew on June 10, 2010, 10:20:25 PM
I saw Reggie Bush play against Cal. The last time was at the L.A. Coliseum. Did you know that it is on the USC campus? Or should I say that there are some school buildings where the football team plays? Like most college venues the bulk of the seats reserved for the visiting team's fans are in the end zone. But unlike most college venues, in the Coliseum the visiting teams fans sit in the end zone are separated from the USC fans by a chain link fence. That is not to prevent us from wandering into the desirable rooting section seats. It is for our protection. USC fans stand along the length of the fence, from field level row one to nosebleed row 125. They stand there, staring at us. They stand there, growling, drooling and spitting. They mutter. They suggest that my birth was the result of my mother's show business career with a troop of libidinous donkeys. They throw things at us. Alcoholic drinks. Body fluids resulting from the ingestion of alcoholic drinks. Used latex products. You are grateful for that chain link fence. It protects you from some very bad and dangerous people. I am not talking about the fraternity boys, they are passed out in the rooting section. I am talking about the ladies who gave birth to the fraternity boys.
We get it, you're an old cranky guy that hates college fun.
Old cranky guy's posts make me laugh and entertain me. Your fun college posts do not.
I agree with dead guy poster.
Funny. I thought USC's lowest point was when their best football player ever murdered two people. Or was it when he robbed people in a Las Vegas hotel room?
Quote from: Brownie on June 11, 2010, 10:22:47 AM
Funny. I thought USC's lowest point was when their best football player ever murdered two people. Or was it when he robbed people in a Las Vegas hotel room?
Rodney Peete did that?
Quote from: CBStew on June 10, 2010, 10:20:25 PM
I saw Reggie Bush play against Cal. The last time was at the L.A. Coliseum. Did you know that it is on the USC campus? Or should I say that there are some school buildings where the football team plays? Like most college venues the bulk of the seats reserved for the visiting team's fans are in the end zone. But unlike most college venues, in the Coliseum the visiting teams fans sit in the end zone are separated from the USC fans by a chain link fence. That is not to prevent us from wandering into the desirable rooting section seats. It is for our protection. USC fans stand along the length of the fence, from field level row one to nosebleed row 125. They stand there, staring at us. They stand there, growling, drooling and spitting. They mutter. They suggest that my birth was the result of my mother's show business career with a troop of libidinous donkeys. They throw things at us. Alcoholic drinks. Body fluids resulting from the ingestion of alcoholic drinks. Used latex products. You are grateful for that chain link fence. It protects you from some very bad and dangerous people. I am not talking about the fraternity boys, they are passed out in the rooting section. I am talking about the ladies who gave birth to the fraternity boys.
Awesome, Stew.