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The geniuses on MLB Network talked about this little lefty who can throw 96. Too bad he's a righty.
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Hayden Simpson, rhp, Southern Arkansas"He's putting together about as good of a college career as you can. I think he's 28-1 or 29-1 in college now. I'm not sure what year he lost a game, I know it wasn't this one. I haven't seen him a second time, but I saw his first start of the year and. . . they left him in a little longer than you'd like to see—I think he threw 115 pitches in his first start—but he was sitting 92-94 and touching 96 for the first couple innings. It fell off a little bit but he can spin a curveball too. He's not a big guy—I would say he's about 5-11, 175—but he's got a good arm and his numbers are backing it up. His delivery gets out of whack every once in a while and he struggles throwing strikes, but he can usually put it back together. His stuff is just overpowering at that level. I think he's striking out 13 or 14 per nine and guys aren't making solid contact off of him at all. I think he's a bullpen guy. That first outing, he fell back down to 90-92 late in the game. He never dipped below 90 on my gun and he reached back a couple times when he saw the finish line. I know his second start of the year, his velocity did fall a little bit—I think he was 88-93, working much more with an average fastball, so I'm interested to see him when I get back in there a second time and see how he's holding up over the course of the year. I heard last year he finished the season as strong as he started it, but it seems this year there's a little bit more variation in the velocity." - BA
Quotesfbennett1 (Edmond, OK): Cubs Fans (Wrigley): WHO?!?!?!
Kevin Goldstein: Our first complete and utter shocker in the draft as the Cubs take Heyden Simpson, a D-II pitcher from Arkansas. Just floored. Undersized righty with very good velo, but not a ton of other stuff.
QuoteJ.P. (Chicago): Hayden Simpson? Too soon?
Kevin Goldstein: As the scouting cliche goes, it just takes one team to like a guy. I am totally floored on this one.
QuoteJ.P. (Chicago): Kevin, was this a signability pick? Should we expect the Cubbies to take a guy with big money demands in the 2nd or 3rd ala Samardzija?
Kevin Goldstein: I don't know what it was. Just totally dying here on that one. Biggest first round shocker since Matt Thornton? Wow, as if the Rays needed a break here, they get the best high school hitter in the draft at 17. Teams with previous picks with regret this one.
Quote1976reds (Virginia): Is this the highest a DII player has been picked?
Kevin Goldstein: Tim Belcher was the first pick overall out of an NAIA school, so it's hardly unprecedented.
Well, we do have this to fall back on per Muskat:
"Simpson was recently named the Daktronics National Pitcher of the Year, only the second pitcher in Gulf South Conference history to earn the honors and first since Bubba Dixon did so in 1994. "
I think I speak for everyone when I say/type that we all hope he turns out to be the next Bubba Dixon.
Edited to provide a link to Bubba's excellent career: http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=dixon-001gar (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=dixon-001gar)
BTW, if you look on MLB's "draft tracker" as of right now, it looks like they had no material prepared for Simpson...whereas the other players drafted have at least a paragraph which introduces them. It appears that Goldstein might not have been the only one surprised by the pick.
It was a bad sign when MLB Network had to go to the bloggers in the stands (OK, not really bloggers--Jim Callis and Jonathan Mayo) because even John Hart didn't know who Simpson was.
But so far, Tim Wilken's first round picks have been Vitters, Cashner and Brett Jackson, so I'm not going to pretend I have any real idea if this is a bad pick or not.
It's an awesome pick. He's from Arkansas.
Quote from: JD on June 07, 2010, 09:30:56 PM
It's an awesome pick. He's from Arkansas.
And he's a Mulerider.
Nice nutpunch from Fox Sports this morning.
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Interesting (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hayden_Simpson&oldid=366696041)
QuoteSimpson's birthday is unknown, though experts estimate it at 1874.
Cubs fans were able to crash the University of Southern Arkansas athletics page.
Hayden Simpson was briefly a left handed pitcher. The switch occurred on June 7, 2010 at 8:45 PM-E and he returned to his right hand by 9. Contrary to popular belief, this was not due to a masturbatory strain.
Baseball guru David "The Hands" Wyzmen reports that Simpson has the least amount of velocity differential between his fastball and his changeup with the former clocking in at 56 mph and the latter at 55. Wyzman gave him a one hand rating (out of a potential 58).
Simpson's biological father is MLB Network analyst Harold Reynolds.
In New Zealand, pulling a "Hayden Simpson" is a Cricket term for soiling yourself while backlifting.
Hayden Simpson was made an Easter Egg in the video game Pong. If a player can continue a volley for 24 hours without scoring or being scored upon, the screen will flash the text "Hayden!", then the Pong cartridge will collapse into a supermassive black hole.
Quote from: Night Man on June 08, 2010, 04:09:41 AM
Nice nutpunch from Fox Sports this morning.
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I think I speak for everyone here when I say
QuoteFUCK DAYN PERRY
I love how the picking of hayden simpson even surprised him. He had friends over to see who would get drafted, thinking he wouldn't be picked until the 2nd round at the earliest. The only reason i think this is a good pick is because of how bad keith law thinks it is.
Why anyone questions Tim Wilkens draft strategy is beyond me, he's been pretty efficient at GETTING IT DONE.
Quote from: BH on June 08, 2010, 09:47:21 AM
I love how the picking of hayden simpson even surprised him. He had friends over to see who would get drafted, thinking he wouldn't be picked until the 2nd round at the earliest. The only reason i think this is a good pick is because of how bad keith law thinks it is.
Why anyone questions Tim Wilkens draft strategy is beyond me, he's been pretty efficient at GETTING IT DONE.
Agreed. It's nice having competence in charge of the draft. Now, if we could get someone in charge of roster construction, pro scouting, and salary negotiation, Jim Hendry might be able to do his job.
What his job would be at that point, I have no idea.
Hayden might not be the brightest bulb in the box. He said he didn't think he was going to get drafted until the 2nd round at the earliest, but had friends over to watch the draft to see where they went.
The second round starts at noon today.
Arkansians know how to party.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 08, 2010, 09:58:51 AM
Quote from: BH on June 08, 2010, 09:47:21 AM
I love how the picking of hayden simpson even surprised him. He had friends over to see who would get drafted, thinking he wouldn't be picked until the 2nd round at the earliest. The only reason i think this is a good pick is because of how bad keith law thinks it is.
Why anyone questions Tim Wilkens draft strategy is beyond me, he's been pretty efficient at GETTING IT DONE.
Agreed. It's nice having competence in charge of the draft. Now, if we could get someone in charge of roster construction, pro scouting, and salary negotiation, Jim Hendry might be able to do his job.
What his job would be at that point, I have no idea.
I'm actually kind of surprised that you didn't suggest this pick was made because of budgetary constraints. The thought crossed my mind.
Quote from: R-V on June 08, 2010, 10:09:25 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 08, 2010, 09:58:51 AM
Quote from: BH on June 08, 2010, 09:47:21 AM
I love how the picking of hayden simpson even surprised him. He had friends over to see who would get drafted, thinking he wouldn't be picked until the 2nd round at the earliest. The only reason i think this is a good pick is because of how bad keith law thinks it is.
Why anyone questions Tim Wilkens draft strategy is beyond me, he's been pretty efficient at GETTING IT DONE.
Agreed. It's nice having competence in charge of the draft. Now, if we could get someone in charge of roster construction, pro scouting, and salary negotiation, Jim Hendry might be able to do his job.
What his job would be at that point, I have no idea.
I'm actually kind of surprised that you didn't suggest this pick was made because of budgetary constraints. The thought crossed my mind.
That was suggested on Mully and Hanley this morning. If they did that, then its the worst something something since something something. I can understand them being cheap on the present because it sucks, but don't be cheap fucks for future talent.. But if this guy is actually good, then my complaint is null and void.
Quote from: R-V on June 08, 2010, 10:09:25 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 08, 2010, 09:58:51 AM
Quote from: BH on June 08, 2010, 09:47:21 AM
I love how the picking of hayden simpson even surprised him. He had friends over to see who would get drafted, thinking he wouldn't be picked until the 2nd round at the earliest. The only reason i think this is a good pick is because of how bad keith law thinks it is.
Why anyone questions Tim Wilkens draft strategy is beyond me, he's been pretty efficient at GETTING IT DONE.
Agreed. It's nice having competence in charge of the draft. Now, if we could get someone in charge of roster construction, pro scouting, and salary negotiation, Jim Hendry might be able to do his job.
What his job would be at that point, I have no idea.
I'm actually kind of surprised that you didn't suggest this pick was made because of budgetary constraints. The thought crossed my mind.
Agree. He must think the difference in talent between simpson and the other talent at this level wasn't worth paying a lot more for it. People said the same thing when he picked Colvin. And Brett Jackson. He seems to get talent without paying a ton of money for it. The most surprising thing is that this guy works for the Cubs.
Quote from: Yeti on June 08, 2010, 10:14:33 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 08, 2010, 10:09:25 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 08, 2010, 09:58:51 AM
Quote from: BH on June 08, 2010, 09:47:21 AM
I love how the picking of hayden simpson even surprised him. He had friends over to see who would get drafted, thinking he wouldn't be picked until the 2nd round at the earliest. The only reason i think this is a good pick is because of how bad keith law thinks it is.
Why anyone questions Tim Wilkens draft strategy is beyond me, he's been pretty efficient at GETTING IT DONE.
Agreed. It's nice having competence in charge of the draft. Now, if we could get someone in charge of roster construction, pro scouting, and salary negotiation, Jim Hendry might be able to do his job.
What his job would be at that point, I have no idea.
I'm actually kind of surprised that you didn't suggest this pick was made because of budgetary constraints. The thought crossed my mind.
That was suggested on Mully and Hanley this morning. If they did that, then its the worst something something since something something. I can understand them being cheap on the present because it sucks, but don't be cheap fucks for future talent.. But if this guy is actually good, then my complaint is null and void.
Noted.
Quote from: R-V on June 08, 2010, 10:09:25 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 08, 2010, 09:58:51 AM
Quote from: BH on June 08, 2010, 09:47:21 AM
I love how the picking of hayden simpson even surprised him. He had friends over to see who would get drafted, thinking he wouldn't be picked until the 2nd round at the earliest. The only reason i think this is a good pick is because of how bad keith law thinks it is.
Why anyone questions Tim Wilkens draft strategy is beyond me, he's been pretty efficient at GETTING IT DONE.
Agreed. It's nice having competence in charge of the draft. Now, if we could get someone in charge of roster construction, pro scouting, and salary negotiation, Jim Hendry might be able to do his job.
What his job would be at that point, I have no idea.
I'm actually kind of surprised that you didn't suggest this pick was made because of budgetary constraints. The thought crossed my mind.
It crossed my mind as well. I was only commenting on Wilkens (that he has a history of being competent), not on the actual pick. Tight budgets are going to be an issue at Wrigley for the next several years. Seeing the minors do well will be a big part of that plan. That they have left a guy in charge who not only blew the budget u, much of it on bad players, but also ran a rancid minor league system in the 8 years he was in charge of it is the biggest worry I have about new ownership.
Quote from: BH on June 08, 2010, 10:16:31 AM
Agree. He must think the difference in talent between simpson and the other talent at this level wasn't worth paying a lot more for it. People said the same thing when he picked Colvin. And Brett Jackson. He seems to get talent without paying a ton of money for it. The most surprising thing is that this guy works for the Cubs.
Yes. The Cubs usually spend a lot of money and get very little talent.
Quote from: BH on June 08, 2010, 10:16:31 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 08, 2010, 10:09:25 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 08, 2010, 09:58:51 AM
Quote from: BH on June 08, 2010, 09:47:21 AM
I love how the picking of hayden simpson even surprised him. He had friends over to see who would get drafted, thinking he wouldn't be picked until the 2nd round at the earliest. The only reason i think this is a good pick is because of how bad keith law thinks it is.
Why anyone questions Tim Wilkens draft strategy is beyond me, he's been pretty efficient at GETTING IT DONE.
Agreed. It's nice having competence in charge of the draft. Now, if we could get someone in charge of roster construction, pro scouting, and salary negotiation, Jim Hendry might be able to do his job.
What his job would be at that point, I have no idea.
I'm actually kind of surprised that you didn't suggest this pick was made because of budgetary constraints. The thought crossed my mind.
Agree. He must think the difference in talent between simpson and the other talent at this level wasn't worth paying a lot more for it. People said the same thing when he picked Colvin. And Brett Jackson. He seems to get talent without paying a ton of money for it. The most surprising thing is that this guy works for the Cubs.
This fits in with the earlier mention of this being the worst draft in several years. Add in Wilken's track record and I now give the Cubs my permission to see how this Simpson pick plays out.
You can have the Grand Poobah of drafting, and it doesn't mean dick if the Cubs don't get better at player development in the minors.
Quote from: Fork on June 08, 2010, 10:29:07 AM
You can have the Grand Poobah of drafting, and it doesn't mean dick if the Cubs don't get better at player development in the minors.
Who has Wilkens drafted that the system has screwed up in your opinion?
Quote from: BH on June 08, 2010, 10:31:52 AM
Quote from: Fork on June 08, 2010, 10:29:07 AM
You can have the Grand Poobah of drafting, and it doesn't mean dick if the Cubs don't get better at player development in the minors.
Who has Wilkens drafted that the system has screwed up in your opinion?
Did Tim Wilkens draft Kerry Woods?
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/your-morning-phil-simpson-sale-strasburg.html
"You can find pitching in funny places. The White Sox landed Mark Buehrle as a draft-and-follow pick from Jefferson Jr. College, outside of St. Louis. The Cubs got Greg Maddux as a scrawny high school pitcher from Las Vegas. In Sale, the headliner for a start-up program at Florida Gulf Coast University, and Simpson they landed pitchers with better amateur portfolios than either Buehrle or Maddux.
The Cubs sort of stumbled onto Simpson on the reports of their area scout for southwest Arkansas, Jim Crawford -- or "Crawdaddy,'' as scouting director Tim Wilken calls him -- and every time a different scout looked at him he continued to look better. He has a Tim Lincecum-style delivery, which roving pitching director Mark Riggins graded as a 100 on a scale of 1-100, and throws four quality pitches, including a fastball that hit 97 in games the Cubs scouted.
"You had to say, 'Hey, wait a minute, this is almost too good to be true,' " Wilken said.
Simpson was 35-2 with a 2.39 ERA in his career for the Muleriders -- yes, the Muleriders.
"That shows you his competitiveness, his will to win,'' Wilken said. "His freshman year he was 10-0. I think that shows he has a really good feel for pitching.''"
Quote from: BH on June 08, 2010, 10:31:52 AM
Who has Wilkens drafted that the system has screwed up in your opinion?
That's not the issue. Fork is suggesting that Mr. Fleita and Mr. Hendry have a poor record at player development, regardless who is drafting.
To date, is it only Colvin that Wilkens has drafted that has made the majors? And he plays defense like a future DH. That's great for a national league team.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 08, 2010, 10:40:11 AM
Quote from: BH on June 08, 2010, 10:31:52 AM
Who has Wilkens drafted that the system has screwed up in your opinion?
That's not the issue. Fork is suggesting that Mr. Fleita and Mr. Hendry have a poor record at player development, regardless who is drafting.
To date, is it only Colvin that Wilkens has drafted that has made the majors? And he plays defense like a future DH. That's great for a national league team.
You could also argue that if you draft "toolsy", high upside players, that these guys not panning out isn't necessarily a coach's problem.
Here is what I don't get. Good GMs and good organizational guys cost a fraction to a good FA player.
Why not just pay more to steal these guys from orgs with a proven track record?
The fact that the Cubs seem to be incapable of developing a hitter who takes the occasional pitch is a pretty good indicator that anyone who makes the big club is getting there with whatever they got drafted with. Nothing's getting added.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 08, 2010, 10:40:11 AM
Quote from: BH on June 08, 2010, 10:31:52 AM
Who has Wilkens drafted that the system has screwed up in your opinion?
That's not the issue. Fork is suggesting that Mr. Fleita and Mr. Hendry have a poor record at player development, regardless who is drafting.
To date, is it only Colvin that Wilkens has drafted that has made the majors? And he plays defense like a future DH. That's great for a national league team.
Huh? He's probably not good enough to play CF but everything that I've seen suggests he'd be average to above average defensively at either corner.
And who is this Wilkens dude you guys keep talking about?
Quote from: R-V on June 08, 2010, 10:56:23 AM
Huh? He's probably not good enough to play CF but everything that I've seen suggests he'd be average to above average defensively at either corner.
Man, has Soriano lowered your defensive expectations.
Quote from: R-V on June 08, 2010, 10:56:23 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 08, 2010, 10:40:11 AM
Quote from: BH on June 08, 2010, 10:31:52 AM
Who has Wilkens drafted that the system has screwed up in your opinion?
That's not the issue. Fork is suggesting that Mr. Fleita and Mr. Hendry have a poor record at player development, regardless who is drafting.
To date, is it only Colvin that Wilkens has drafted that has made the majors? And he plays defense like a future DH. That's great for a national league team.
Huh? He's probably not good enough to play CF but everything that I've seen suggests he'd be average to above average defensively at either corner.
And who is this Wilkens dude you guys keep talking about?
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Quote from: R-V on June 08, 2010, 10:56:23 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 08, 2010, 10:40:11 AM
Quote from: BH on June 08, 2010, 10:31:52 AM
Who has Wilkens drafted that the system has screwed up in your opinion?
That's not the issue. Fork is suggesting that Mr. Fleita and Mr. Hendry have a poor record at player development, regardless who is drafting.
To date, is it only Colvin that Wilkens has drafted that has made the majors? And he plays defense like a future DH. That's great for a national league team.
Huh? He's probably not good enough to play CF but everything that I've seen suggests he'd be average to above average defensively at either corner.
And who is this Wilkens dude you guys keep talking about?
Only the 99th best Cub of all time, idiot.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 08, 2010, 11:00:10 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 08, 2010, 10:56:23 AM
Huh? He's probably not good enough to play CF but everything that I've seen suggests he'd be average to above average defensively at either corner.
Man, has Soriano lowered your defensive expectations.
Honestly, you're the first person I've seen dog Colvin's defense at the corners. Small sample size yes, but Fangraphs and Baseball Reference both have him as an above average fielder. Did he make an error in a recent game or something? Is it just Chucktown and I should forget it?
I'm confused by those who might think this could've been a money thing as far down as 16. The first few picks, maybe get to consider setting their own market, because they could holdout, go back into the draft, and possibly recoop what they feel they might lose with the next team that drafts them. (J.D. Drew)
After that, I believe it's generally a "slotting" thing, much like the NFL. The Cubs are going to have to pay whoever they drafted in that spot in the neighborhood of what the 16th best player in the draft commands.
Quote from: R-V on June 08, 2010, 11:33:34 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 08, 2010, 11:00:10 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 08, 2010, 10:56:23 AM
Huh? He's probably not good enough to play CF but everything that I've seen suggests he'd be average to above average defensively at either corner.
Man, has Soriano lowered your defensive expectations.
Honestly, you're the first person I've seen dog Colvin's defense at the corners. Small sample size yes, but Fangraphs and Baseball Reference both have him as an above average fielder. Did he make an error in a recent game or something? Is it just Chucktown and I should forget it?
DPD time.
I've been real impressed with Colvin's defense, personally.
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on June 08, 2010, 11:48:12 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 08, 2010, 11:33:34 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 08, 2010, 11:00:10 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 08, 2010, 10:56:23 AM
Huh? He's probably not good enough to play CF but everything that I've seen suggests he'd be average to above average defensively at either corner.
Man, has Soriano lowered your defensive expectations.
Honestly, you're the first person I've seen dog Colvin's defense at the corners. Small sample size yes, but Fangraphs and Baseball Reference both have him as an above average fielder. Did he make an error in a recent game or something? Is it just Chucktown and I should forget it?
DPD time.
I've been real impressed with Colvin's defense, personally.
THIS.
Quote from: BH on June 08, 2010, 10:35:38 AM
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/your-morning-phil-simpson-sale-strasburg.html
"You can find pitching in funny places. The White Sox landed Mark Buehrle as a draft-and-follow pick from Jefferson Jr. College, outside of St. Louis. The Cubs got Greg Maddux as a scrawny high school pitcher from Las Vegas. In Sale, the headliner for a start-up program at Florida Gulf Coast University, and Simpson they landed pitchers with better amateur portfolios than either Buehrle or Maddux.
The Cubs sort of stumbled onto Simpson on the reports of their area scout for southwest Arkansas, Jim Crawford -- or "Crawdaddy,'' as scouting director Tim Wilken calls him -- and every time a different scout looked at him he continued to look better. He has a Tim Lincecum-style delivery, which roving pitching director Mark Riggins graded as a 100 on a scale of 1-100, and throws four quality pitches, including a fastball that hit 97 in games the Cubs scouted.
"You had to say, 'Hey, wait a minute, this is almost too good to be true,' " Wilken said.
Simpson was 35-2 with a 2.39 ERA in his career for the Muleriders -- yes, the Muleriders.
"That shows you his competitiveness, his will to win,'' Wilken said. "His freshman year he was 10-0. I think that shows he has a really good feel for pitching.''"
I like almost everything I read of that quote except the last paragraph. I'm pretty sure every prospect in the draft has "competetiveness" and "will to win." They're athletes and that's what athletes do. I don't care about that. Can he throw gas, get people out and not have mechanics that could Mark Prior himself in pro ball? KTHX
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 08, 2010, 12:14:15 PM
Quote from: BH on June 08, 2010, 10:35:38 AM
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/your-morning-phil-simpson-sale-strasburg.html
"You can find pitching in funny places. The White Sox landed Mark Buehrle as a draft-and-follow pick from Jefferson Jr. College, outside of St. Louis. The Cubs got Greg Maddux as a scrawny high school pitcher from Las Vegas. In Sale, the headliner for a start-up program at Florida Gulf Coast University, and Simpson they landed pitchers with better amateur portfolios than either Buehrle or Maddux.
The Cubs sort of stumbled onto Simpson on the reports of their area scout for southwest Arkansas, Jim Crawford -- or "Crawdaddy,'' as scouting director Tim Wilken calls him -- and every time a different scout looked at him he continued to look better. He has a Tim Lincecum-style delivery, which roving pitching director Mark Riggins graded as a 100 on a scale of 1-100, and throws four quality pitches, including a fastball that hit 97 in games the Cubs scouted.
"You had to say, 'Hey, wait a minute, this is almost too good to be true,' " Wilken said.
Simpson was 35-2 with a 2.39 ERA in his career for the Muleriders -- yes, the Muleriders.
"That shows you his competitiveness, his will to win,'' Wilken said. "His freshman year he was 10-0. I think that shows he has a really good feel for pitching.''"
I like almost everything I read of that quote except the last paragraph. I'm pretty sure every prospect in the draft has "competetiveness" and "will to win." They're athletes and that's what athletes do. I don't care about that. Can he throw gas, get people out and not have mechanics that could Mark Prior himself in pro ball? KTHX
I don't agree with that at all. Lots of great athletes could give 2 shits about winning. And end up playing minor league baseball for their entire career or just quiting all together.
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on June 08, 2010, 11:47:09 AM
I'm confused by those who might think this could've been a money thing as far down as 16. The first few picks, maybe get to consider setting their own market, because they could holdout, go back into the draft, and possibly recoop what they feel they might lose with the next team that drafts them. (J.D. Drew)
After that, I believe it's generally a "slotting" thing, much like the NFL. The Cubs are going to have to pay whoever they drafted in that spot in the neighborhood of what the 16th best player in the draft commands.
Slotting doesn't mean anything in the draft, it's just a recommendation. Lots of guys drop due to signability issues. A team can pay any bonus they want.. hence the cubs spending a ton on the shark.
Quote from: BH on June 08, 2010, 12:21:31 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 08, 2010, 12:14:15 PM
Quote from: BH on June 08, 2010, 10:35:38 AM
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/your-morning-phil-simpson-sale-strasburg.html
"You can find pitching in funny places. The White Sox landed Mark Buehrle as a draft-and-follow pick from Jefferson Jr. College, outside of St. Louis. The Cubs got Greg Maddux as a scrawny high school pitcher from Las Vegas. In Sale, the headliner for a start-up program at Florida Gulf Coast University, and Simpson they landed pitchers with better amateur portfolios than either Buehrle or Maddux.
The Cubs sort of stumbled onto Simpson on the reports of their area scout for southwest Arkansas, Jim Crawford -- or "Crawdaddy,'' as scouting director Tim Wilken calls him -- and every time a different scout looked at him he continued to look better. He has a Tim Lincecum-style delivery, which roving pitching director Mark Riggins graded as a 100 on a scale of 1-100, and throws four quality pitches, including a fastball that hit 97 in games the Cubs scouted.
"You had to say, 'Hey, wait a minute, this is almost too good to be true,' " Wilken said.
Simpson was 35-2 with a 2.39 ERA in his career for the Muleriders -- yes, the Muleriders.
"That shows you his competitiveness, his will to win,'' Wilken said. "His freshman year he was 10-0. I think that shows he has a really good feel for pitching.''"
I like almost everything I read of that quote except the last paragraph. I'm pretty sure every prospect in the draft has "competetiveness" and "will to win." They're athletes and that's what athletes do. I don't care about that. Can he throw gas, get people out and not have mechanics that could Mark Prior himself in pro ball? KTHX
I don't agree with that at all. Lots of great athletes could give 2 shits about winning. And end up playing minor league baseball for their entire career or just quiting all together.
Lots? I mean, I guess a lot of these guys never see as high as AA ball. It's good to see whatever "competitiveness" and "will to win" are in a young athlete your about to pay millions of dollars to as sort of an indication that he won't be one of those turds.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 08, 2010, 12:31:28 PM
Quote from: BH on June 08, 2010, 12:21:31 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 08, 2010, 12:14:15 PM
Quote from: BH on June 08, 2010, 10:35:38 AM
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/your-morning-phil-simpson-sale-strasburg.html
"You can find pitching in funny places. The White Sox landed Mark Buehrle as a draft-and-follow pick from Jefferson Jr. College, outside of St. Louis. The Cubs got Greg Maddux as a scrawny high school pitcher from Las Vegas. In Sale, the headliner for a start-up program at Florida Gulf Coast University, and Simpson they landed pitchers with better amateur portfolios than either Buehrle or Maddux.
The Cubs sort of stumbled onto Simpson on the reports of their area scout for southwest Arkansas, Jim Crawford -- or "Crawdaddy,'' as scouting director Tim Wilken calls him -- and every time a different scout looked at him he continued to look better. He has a Tim Lincecum-style delivery, which roving pitching director Mark Riggins graded as a 100 on a scale of 1-100, and throws four quality pitches, including a fastball that hit 97 in games the Cubs scouted.
"You had to say, 'Hey, wait a minute, this is almost too good to be true,' " Wilken said.
Simpson was 35-2 with a 2.39 ERA in his career for the Muleriders -- yes, the Muleriders.
"That shows you his competitiveness, his will to win,'' Wilken said. "His freshman year he was 10-0. I think that shows he has a really good feel for pitching.''"
I like almost everything I read of that quote except the last paragraph. I'm pretty sure every prospect in the draft has "competetiveness" and "will to win." They're athletes and that's what athletes do. I don't care about that. Can he throw gas, get people out and not have mechanics that could Mark Prior himself in pro ball? KTHX
I don't agree with that at all. Lots of great athletes could give 2 shits about winning. And end up playing minor league baseball for their entire career or just quiting all together.
Lots? I mean, I guess a lot of these guys never see as high as AA ball. It's good to see whatever "competitiveness" and "will to win" are in a young athlete your about to pay millions of dollars to as sort of an indication that he won't be one of those turds.
Obviously Simpson has zero talent. It's his "will to win" that makes him good. Is that your argument?
Quote from: BH on June 08, 2010, 12:37:42 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 08, 2010, 12:31:28 PM
Quote from: BH on June 08, 2010, 12:21:31 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 08, 2010, 12:14:15 PM
Quote from: BH on June 08, 2010, 10:35:38 AM
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/your-morning-phil-simpson-sale-strasburg.html
"You can find pitching in funny places. The White Sox landed Mark Buehrle as a draft-and-follow pick from Jefferson Jr. College, outside of St. Louis. The Cubs got Greg Maddux as a scrawny high school pitcher from Las Vegas. In Sale, the headliner for a start-up program at Florida Gulf Coast University, and Simpson they landed pitchers with better amateur portfolios than either Buehrle or Maddux.
The Cubs sort of stumbled onto Simpson on the reports of their area scout for southwest Arkansas, Jim Crawford -- or "Crawdaddy,'' as scouting director Tim Wilken calls him -- and every time a different scout looked at him he continued to look better. He has a Tim Lincecum-style delivery, which roving pitching director Mark Riggins graded as a 100 on a scale of 1-100, and throws four quality pitches, including a fastball that hit 97 in games the Cubs scouted.
"You had to say, 'Hey, wait a minute, this is almost too good to be true,' " Wilken said.
Simpson was 35-2 with a 2.39 ERA in his career for the Muleriders -- yes, the Muleriders.
"That shows you his competitiveness, his will to win,'' Wilken said. "His freshman year he was 10-0. I think that shows he has a really good feel for pitching.''"
I like almost everything I read of that quote except the last paragraph. I'm pretty sure every prospect in the draft has "competetiveness" and "will to win." They're athletes and that's what athletes do. I don't care about that. Can he throw gas, get people out and not have mechanics that could Mark Prior himself in pro ball? KTHX
I don't agree with that at all. Lots of great athletes could give 2 shits about winning. And end up playing minor league baseball for their entire career or just quiting all together.
Lots? I mean, I guess a lot of these guys never see as high as AA ball. It's good to see whatever "competitiveness" and "will to win" are in a young athlete your about to pay millions of dollars to as sort of an indication that he won't be one of those turds.
Obviously Simpson has zero talent. It's his "will to win" that makes him good. Is that your argument?
For fuck's sake...the quote was made that his awesome collegiate record shows his "wil to win" and "competitiveness". That make total sense to you?
Anyway, the Cubs picked LSU switch-hitting catcher Micah Gibbs. GREAT pick. This kid's got a lot of talent.*
(*I'm very biased.)
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 08, 2010, 12:42:51 PM
Quote from: BH on June 08, 2010, 12:37:42 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 08, 2010, 12:31:28 PM
Quote from: BH on June 08, 2010, 12:21:31 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 08, 2010, 12:14:15 PM
Quote from: BH on June 08, 2010, 10:35:38 AM
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/your-morning-phil-simpson-sale-strasburg.html
"You can find pitching in funny places. The White Sox landed Mark Buehrle as a draft-and-follow pick from Jefferson Jr. College, outside of St. Louis. The Cubs got Greg Maddux as a scrawny high school pitcher from Las Vegas. In Sale, the headliner for a start-up program at Florida Gulf Coast University, and Simpson they landed pitchers with better amateur portfolios than either Buehrle or Maddux.
The Cubs sort of stumbled onto Simpson on the reports of their area scout for southwest Arkansas, Jim Crawford -- or "Crawdaddy,'' as scouting director Tim Wilken calls him -- and every time a different scout looked at him he continued to look better. He has a Tim Lincecum-style delivery, which roving pitching director Mark Riggins graded as a 100 on a scale of 1-100, and throws four quality pitches, including a fastball that hit 97 in games the Cubs scouted.
"You had to say, 'Hey, wait a minute, this is almost too good to be true,' " Wilken said.
Simpson was 35-2 with a 2.39 ERA in his career for the Muleriders -- yes, the Muleriders.
"That shows you his competitiveness, his will to win,'' Wilken said. "His freshman year he was 10-0. I think that shows he has a really good feel for pitching.''"
I like almost everything I read of that quote except the last paragraph. I'm pretty sure every prospect in the draft has "competetiveness" and "will to win." They're athletes and that's what athletes do. I don't care about that. Can he throw gas, get people out and not have mechanics that could Mark Prior himself in pro ball? KTHX
I don't agree with that at all. Lots of great athletes could give 2 shits about winning. And end up playing minor league baseball for their entire career or just quiting all together.
Lots? I mean, I guess a lot of these guys never see as high as AA ball. It's good to see whatever "competitiveness" and "will to win" are in a young athlete your about to pay millions of dollars to as sort of an indication that he won't be one of those turds.
Obviously Simpson has zero talent. It's his "will to win" that makes him good. Is that your argument?
For fuck's sake...the quote was made that his awesome collegiate record shows his "wil to win" and "competitiveness". That make total sense to you?
Anyway, the Cubs picked LSU switch-hitting catcher Micah Gibbs. GREAT pick. This kid's got a lot of talent.
Kid's got fire in his eyes. He WANTS IT. Pick of the year IMO.
2nd & 3rd round picks:
QuoteReggie Golden | OF | Alabama HS
Golden is another fast riser that has been mentioned in first round consideration. The raw, but athletic outfielder flashes all five tools and speed is a big part of his game right now but he's expected to slow down as his body matures. Golden also has good bat speed and a very strong arm, which is tailor-made for right-field. He'll have to watch his conditioning, as he's already 210 lbs on a 5′10" frame and he has a thick lower half. He's committed to the University of Alabama.
PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION: Broad shoulders and strong chest, strong hands, forearms and grip. Stocky lower half, strong and durable legs and thighs. Medium height and low center of gravity.
STRENGTHS: Above-average runner, good first step. Above-average raw power, above-average raw arm strength.
WEAKNESSES: Will need to improve power frequency, arm accuracy, contact consistency, defensive footwork and angles of approach over the coming years; all correctable with time, age and experience.
SUMMARY: Should not have one below-average major league tool in coming years. Should profile as everyday corner outfielder with middle-of-the-order potential.
QuoteMicah Gibbs, c
Louisiana State
Gibbs has the best receiving skills among catchers in the 2010 draft, and those and his ability to handle a pitching staff earn repeated comparisons to Jason Varitek. He doesn't have a cannon behind the plate, but his arm strength is average and he enhances it with a quick release and good accuracy. However, he had thrown out just 15 percent of basestealers through mid-May, down from 32 percent in his first two seasons. His hitting has gone in the other direction, as he was batting .424, up from .306 the previous two years and .212 with wood bats in the Cape Cod League last summer. A 5-foot-11, 207-pound switch-hitter, Gibbs has spread out his stance, added more balance and simplified his swing. He has strength, but his swing can get loopy at times and he doesn't have an abundance of bat speed or power. He may not be more than a .260 hitter with 10-12 homers annually in the majors, but his defensive ability should make him a starter. The scarcity of catchers often enhances their draft status, so Gibbs could sneak into the first or sandwich round.
Quote from: R-V on June 08, 2010, 11:33:34 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 08, 2010, 11:00:10 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 08, 2010, 10:56:23 AM
Huh? He's probably not good enough to play CF but everything that I've seen suggests he'd be average to above average defensively at either corner.
Man, has Soriano lowered your defensive expectations.
Honestly, you're the first person I've seen dog Colvin's defense at the corners. Small sample size yes, but Fangraphs and Baseball Reference both have him as an above average fielder. Did he make an error in a recent game or something? Is it just Chucktown and I should forget it?
Chuck doesn't watch baseball.
Quote from: R-V on June 08, 2010, 12:55:43 PM
2nd & 3rd round picks:
QuoteReggie Golden | OF | Alabama HS
Golden is another fast riser that has been mentioned in first round consideration. The raw, but athletic outfielder flashes all five tools and speed is a big part of his game right now but he's expected to slow down as his body matures. Golden also has good bat speed and a very strong arm, which is tailor-made for right-field. He'll have to watch his conditioning, as he's already 210 lbs on a 5′10" frame and he has a thick lower half. He's committed to the University of Alabama.
PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION: Broad shoulders and strong chest, strong hands, forearms and grip. Stocky lower half, strong and durable legs and thighs. Medium height and low center of gravity.
STRENGTHS: Above-average runner, good first step. Above-average raw power, above-average raw arm strength.
WEAKNESSES: Will need to improve power frequency, arm accuracy, contact consistency, defensive footwork and angles of approach over the coming years; all correctable with time, age and experience.
SUMMARY: Should not have one below-average major league tool in coming years. Should profile as everyday corner outfielder with middle-of-the-order potential.
QuoteMicah Gibbs, c
Louisiana State
Gibbs has the best receiving skills among catchers in the 2010 draft, and those and his ability to handle a pitching staff earn repeated comparisons to Jason Varitek. He doesn't have a cannon behind the plate, but his arm strength is average and he enhances it with a quick release and good accuracy. However, he had thrown out just 15 percent of basestealers through mid-May, down from 32 percent in his first two seasons. His hitting has gone in the other direction, as he was batting .424, up from .306 the previous two years and .212 with wood bats in the Cape Cod League last summer. A 5-foot-11, 207-pound switch-hitter, Gibbs has spread out his stance, added more balance and simplified his swing. He has strength, but his swing can get loopy at times and he doesn't have an abundance of bat speed or power. He may not be more than a .260 hitter with 10-12 homers annually in the majors, but his defensive ability should make him a starter. The scarcity of catchers often enhances their draft status, so Gibbs could sneak into the first or sandwich round.
Meaning he previously committed, or he's still committed to going?
Quote from: PenPho on June 08, 2010, 12:59:27 PM
Quote from: R-V on June 08, 2010, 12:55:43 PM
2nd & 3rd round picks:
QuoteReggie Golden | OF | Alabama HS
Golden is another fast riser that has been mentioned in first round consideration. The raw, but athletic outfielder flashes all five tools and speed is a big part of his game right now but he's expected to slow down as his body matures. Golden also has good bat speed and a very strong arm, which is tailor-made for right-field. He'll have to watch his conditioning, as he's already 210 lbs on a 5′10" frame and he has a thick lower half. He's committed to the University of Alabama.
PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION: Broad shoulders and strong chest, strong hands, forearms and grip. Stocky lower half, strong and durable legs and thighs. Medium height and low center of gravity.
STRENGTHS: Above-average runner, good first step. Above-average raw power, above-average raw arm strength.
WEAKNESSES: Will need to improve power frequency, arm accuracy, contact consistency, defensive footwork and angles of approach over the coming years; all correctable with time, age and experience.
SUMMARY: Should not have one below-average major league tool in coming years. Should profile as everyday corner outfielder with middle-of-the-order potential.
QuoteMicah Gibbs, c
Louisiana State
Gibbs has the best receiving skills among catchers in the 2010 draft, and those and his ability to handle a pitching staff earn repeated comparisons to Jason Varitek. He doesn't have a cannon behind the plate, but his arm strength is average and he enhances it with a quick release and good accuracy. However, he had thrown out just 15 percent of basestealers through mid-May, down from 32 percent in his first two seasons. His hitting has gone in the other direction, as he was batting .424, up from .306 the previous two years and .212 with wood bats in the Cape Cod League last summer. A 5-foot-11, 207-pound switch-hitter, Gibbs has spread out his stance, added more balance and simplified his swing. He has strength, but his swing can get loopy at times and he doesn't have an abundance of bat speed or power. He may not be more than a .260 hitter with 10-12 homers annually in the majors, but his defensive ability should make him a starter. The scarcity of catchers often enhances their draft status, so Gibbs could sneak into the first or sandwich round.
Meaning he previously committed, or he's still committed to going?
I'm sure a $10 mildo bonus, no trade clause would get him to change his mind.
One of the reasons some teams take a first rounder who won't command a ludicrous amount of money is so they can take a shot in later rounds on good players who have committed to colleges and then try to buy them away from their commitments.
If you draft a guy like Simpson with the 16th pick when you think he's a reach there--but a guy you know you can sign--it leaves money in your budget to draft high school or JUCO kids who are leaning towards going to four-year schools. In 2006, the Cubs took Colvin in the first because they didn't have a second round pick, and used the money they saved by not having that pick and taking an easy sign like Colvin to throw huge money at Samardzija. It only works if the guy you take early turns out to be good. (And apparently if the guy you pay can throw a fucking strike once and a while.)
This kind of strategy doesn't surprise me with the Cubs because it's something Theo and the Red Sox love to do. They don't worry so much about their top pick, they concentrate on the top 10 guys they pick, and take some fliers on guys they think are really good but who until they start waving cash at are going to college. The Rickettses are trying as hard as possible to emulate how the Red Sox do..everything. In this case, I think it's pretty sound.
I'd rather they approach the draft like the Tigers do. They just take the best guy available in every round and throw money at them. They figure if they sign half of them it's a success. It's how you get Rick Porcello at the end of the first round. Everybody said he was "unsignable" until Mike Ilitch started throwing crazy pizza money at him.
I'm not panning this pick because it sure seems like forecasting success at the major league level is absurdly hard, but... (http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=2324)
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Look to Chicago for the draft's biggest early surprise -- Hayden Simpson. No one was on him at No. 17 overall. Simpson, our No. 191 prospect on our Top 200, was our preseason Division II pitcher of the year, and he was the pitcher of the year at Division II. But Simpson is a big surprise as a 6-foot, 170-pound righthander whose velocity parks at 92-94 mph, and he lost just two games in three seasons. Still, many scouts had Simpson in as a middle reliever.
Baseball America
I don't know if all 200 of those guys were draft eligible or if it includes guys currently in the minors, but assuming the former, that's an ugly number.
However, look to the comments for INSIDE INFORMATION:
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This guy is as ligit as they come. Dont buy into the scouting reports, i was in the stands when he struck out 13 against Florida Southern in the regional. First pitch was 97-98 on some of the stalkers.
He can throw 4 pitches for strikes when ever he pleases. He didn't throw a pitch under 93-94 the whole night and touched 96-7 many times. Hammer curve. bulldog and athletic. looks like lincecum and could be.
Quote from: BH on June 08, 2010, 12:21:31 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 08, 2010, 12:14:15 PM
Quote from: BH on June 08, 2010, 10:35:38 AM
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/your-morning-phil-simpson-sale-strasburg.html
"You can find pitching in funny places. The White Sox landed Mark Buehrle as a draft-and-follow pick from Jefferson Jr. College, outside of St. Louis. The Cubs got Greg Maddux as a scrawny high school pitcher from Las Vegas. In Sale, the headliner for a start-up program at Florida Gulf Coast University, and Simpson they landed pitchers with better amateur portfolios than either Buehrle or Maddux.
The Cubs sort of stumbled onto Simpson on the reports of their area scout for southwest Arkansas, Jim Crawford -- or "Crawdaddy,'' as scouting director Tim Wilken calls him -- and every time a different scout looked at him he continued to look better. He has a Tim Lincecum-style delivery, which roving pitching director Mark Riggins graded as a 100 on a scale of 1-100, and throws four quality pitches, including a fastball that hit 97 in games the Cubs scouted.
"You had to say, 'Hey, wait a minute, this is almost too good to be true,' " Wilken said.
Simpson was 35-2 with a 2.39 ERA in his career for the Muleriders -- yes, the Muleriders.
"That shows you his competitiveness, his will to win,'' Wilken said. "His freshman year he was 10-0. I think that shows he has a really good feel for pitching.''"
I like almost everything I read of that quote except the last paragraph. I'm pretty sure every prospect in the draft has "competetiveness" and "will to win." They're athletes and that's what athletes do. I don't care about that. Can he throw gas, get people out and not have mechanics that could Mark Prior himself in pro ball? KTHX
I don't agree with that at all. Lots of great athletes could give 2 shits about winning. And end up playing minor league baseball for their entire career or just quiting all together.
I think it's just standard stuffyousayafteryoudraftsomebody. They're not going to get into the specifics of what they liked about him, so "COMPETATIVE" and "WINNAR" are good enough to satiate the Chad and Trixie mob.
Quote from: PenPho on June 08, 2010, 05:10:59 PM
I'm not panning this pick because it sure seems like forecasting success at the major league level is absurdly hard, but... (http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=2324)
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Look to Chicago for the draft's biggest early surprise -- Hayden Simpson. No one was on him at No. 17 overall. Simpson, our No. 191 prospect on our Top 200, was our preseason Division II pitcher of the year, and he was the pitcher of the year at Division II. But Simpson is a big surprise as a 6-foot, 170-pound righthander whose velocity parks at 92-94 mph, and he lost just two games in three seasons. Still, many scouts had Simpson in as a middle reliever.
Baseball America
I don't know if all 200 of those guys were draft eligible or if it includes guys currently in the minors, but assuming the former, that's an ugly number.
However, look to the comments for INSIDE INFORMATION:
Quote
This guy is as ligit as they come. Dont buy into the scouting reports, i was in the stands when he struck out 13 against Florida Southern in the regional. First pitch was 97-98 on some of the stalkers.
He can throw 4 pitches for strikes when ever he pleases. He didn't throw a pitch under 93-94 the whole night and touched 96-7 many times. Hammer curve. bulldog and athletic. looks like lincecum and could be.
I'm going to assume we have the next Lincecum on our hands. Go Cubs!
Quote from: Slaky on June 08, 2010, 05:15:27 PM
Quote from: PenPho on June 08, 2010, 05:10:59 PM
I'm not panning this pick because it sure seems like forecasting success at the major league level is absurdly hard, but... (http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=2324)
Quote
Look to Chicago for the draft's biggest early surprise -- Hayden Simpson. No one was on him at No. 17 overall. Simpson, our No. 191 prospect on our Top 200, was our preseason Division II pitcher of the year, and he was the pitcher of the year at Division II. But Simpson is a big surprise as a 6-foot, 170-pound righthander whose velocity parks at 92-94 mph, and he lost just two games in three seasons. Still, many scouts had Simpson in as a middle reliever.
Baseball America
I don't know if all 200 of those guys were draft eligible or if it includes guys currently in the minors, but assuming the former, that's an ugly number.
However, look to the comments for INSIDE INFORMATION:
Quote
This guy is as ligit as they come. Dont buy into the scouting reports, i was in the stands when he struck out 13 against Florida Southern in the regional. First pitch was 97-98 on some of the stalkers.
He can throw 4 pitches for strikes when ever he pleases. He didn't throw a pitch under 93-94 the whole night and touched 96-7 many times. Hammer curve. bulldog and athletic. looks like lincecum and could be.
I'm going to assume we have the next Lincecum on our hands. Go Cubs!
We had the original Lincecum on our hands, too, but didn't wave enough cash at him to skip college.
Quote from: Night Man on June 08, 2010, 05:17:16 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 08, 2010, 05:15:27 PM
Quote from: PenPho on June 08, 2010, 05:10:59 PM
I'm not panning this pick because it sure seems like forecasting success at the major league level is absurdly hard, but... (http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=2324)
Quote
Look to Chicago for the draft's biggest early surprise -- Hayden Simpson. No one was on him at No. 17 overall. Simpson, our No. 191 prospect on our Top 200, was our preseason Division II pitcher of the year, and he was the pitcher of the year at Division II. But Simpson is a big surprise as a 6-foot, 170-pound righthander whose velocity parks at 92-94 mph, and he lost just two games in three seasons. Still, many scouts had Simpson in as a middle reliever.
Baseball America
I don't know if all 200 of those guys were draft eligible or if it includes guys currently in the minors, but assuming the former, that's an ugly number.
However, look to the comments for INSIDE INFORMATION:
Quote
This guy is as ligit as they come. Dont buy into the scouting reports, i was in the stands when he struck out 13 against Florida Southern in the regional. First pitch was 97-98 on some of the stalkers.
He can throw 4 pitches for strikes when ever he pleases. He didn't throw a pitch under 93-94 the whole night and touched 96-7 many times. Hammer curve. bulldog and athletic. looks like lincecum and could be.
I'm going to assume we have the next Lincecum on our hands. Go Cubs!
We had the original Lincecum on our hands, too, but didn't wave enough cash pizza money at him to skip college.
Andy'd
Wilken just took Bryce Harper's older brother, Bryan Harper, also from the College of Southern Nevada, in the 27th round.
QuoteThe "other" Harper sometimes gets to pitch to his brother, Bryce. And, while he's not quite the prospect younger bro is, he's making a name for himself on the mound. Tall, lanky lefties who can touch 92 mph aren't all that common, and Harper also has a pretty good feel for his breaking ball and changeup. He'll need to cut down on his walk rate a bit, but there's also room for growth in his frame and has some upside as he continues to learn how to pitch. He'll wait a bit after his brother goes in the Draft, but if he continues to show the kind of stuff he has, it won't be too long a wait.
Scouting video (http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?topic_id=10018074&content_id=8655161)
Quote from: R-V on June 08, 2010, 12:55:43 PM
2nd & 3rd round picks:
QuoteReggie Golden | OF | Alabama HS
Golden is another fast riser that has been mentioned in first round consideration. The raw, but athletic outfielder flashes all five tools and speed is a big part of his game right now but he's expected to slow down as his body matures. Golden also has good bat speed and a very strong arm, which is tailor-made for right-field. He'll have to watch his conditioning, as he's already 210 lbs on a 5′10" frame and he has a thick lower half. He's committed to the University of Alabama.
PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION: Broad shoulders and strong chest, strong hands, forearms and grip. Stocky lower half, strong and durable legs and thighs. Medium height and low center of gravity.
STRENGTHS: Above-average runner, good first step. Above-average raw power, above-average raw arm strength.
WEAKNESSES: Will need to improve power frequency, arm accuracy, contact consistency, defensive footwork and angles of approach over the coming years; all correctable with time, age and experience.
SUMMARY: Should not have one below-average major league tool in coming years. Should profile as everyday corner outfielder with middle-of-the-order potential.
QuoteMicah Gibbs, c
Louisiana State
Gibbs has the best receiving skills among catchers in the 2010 draft, and those and his ability to handle a pitching staff earn repeated comparisons to Jason Varitek. He doesn't have a cannon behind the plate, but his arm strength is average and he enhances it with a quick release and good accuracy. However, he had thrown out just 15 percent of basestealers through mid-May, down from 32 percent in his first two seasons. His hitting has gone in the other direction, as he was batting .424, up from .306 the previous two years and .212 with wood bats in the Cape Cod League last summer. A 5-foot-11, 207-pound switch-hitter, Gibbs has spread out his stance, added more balance and simplified his swing. He has strength, but his swing can get loopy at times and he doesn't have an abundance of bat speed or power. He may not be more than a .260 hitter with 10-12 homers annually in the majors, but his defensive ability should make him a starter. The scarcity of catchers often enhances their draft status, so Gibbs could sneak into the first or sandwich round.
Reggie Golden is my new second-favorite cub after Hayden Simpson. So he better get signed.
Quote from: Slaky on June 08, 2010, 05:20:49 PM
Quote from: Night Man on June 08, 2010, 05:17:16 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 08, 2010, 05:15:27 PM
Quote from: PenPho on June 08, 2010, 05:10:59 PM
I'm not panning this pick because it sure seems like forecasting success at the major league level is absurdly hard, but... (http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=2324)
Quote
Look to Chicago for the draft's biggest early surprise -- Hayden Simpson. No one was on him at No. 17 overall. Simpson, our No. 191 prospect on our Top 200, was our preseason Division II pitcher of the year, and he was the pitcher of the year at Division II. But Simpson is a big surprise as a 6-foot, 170-pound righthander whose velocity parks at 92-94 mph, and he lost just two games in three seasons. Still, many scouts had Simpson in as a middle reliever.
Baseball America
I don't know if all 200 of those guys were draft eligible or if it includes guys currently in the minors, but assuming the former, that's an ugly number.
However, look to the comments for INSIDE INFORMATION:
Quote
This guy is as ligit as they come. Dont buy into the scouting reports, i was in the stands when he struck out 13 against Florida Southern in the regional. First pitch was 97-98 on some of the stalkers.
He can throw 4 pitches for strikes when ever he pleases. He didn't throw a pitch under 93-94 the whole night and touched 96-7 many times. Hammer curve. bulldog and athletic. looks like lincecum and could be.
I'm going to assume we have the next Lincecum on our hands. Go Cubs!
We had the original Lincecum on our hands, too, but didn't wave enough cash pizza money at him to skip college.
Andy'd
Intrepid Reader: HueyWhy get pizza money from the Cubs when you can get a bigger slice on Clark St.?
Well, if it's not good enough for Chicago Now (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-cubs-wrigley-bound/2010/06/cubs-draft-2010-an-indefensible-folly.html)...
Quote from: Fork on June 09, 2010, 07:51:56 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 08, 2010, 05:20:49 PM
Quote from: Night Man on June 08, 2010, 05:17:16 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 08, 2010, 05:15:27 PM
Quote from: PenPho on June 08, 2010, 05:10:59 PM
I'm not panning this pick because it sure seems like forecasting success at the major league level is absurdly hard, but... (http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=2324)
Quote
Look to Chicago for the draft's biggest early surprise -- Hayden Simpson. No one was on him at No. 17 overall. Simpson, our No. 191 prospect on our Top 200, was our preseason Division II pitcher of the year, and he was the pitcher of the year at Division II. But Simpson is a big surprise as a 6-foot, 170-pound righthander whose velocity parks at 92-94 mph, and he lost just two games in three seasons. Still, many scouts had Simpson in as a middle reliever.
Baseball America
I don't know if all 200 of those guys were draft eligible or if it includes guys currently in the minors, but assuming the former, that's an ugly number.
However, look to the comments for INSIDE INFORMATION:
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This guy is as ligit as they come. Dont buy into the scouting reports, i was in the stands when he struck out 13 against Florida Southern in the regional. First pitch was 97-98 on some of the stalkers.
He can throw 4 pitches for strikes when ever he pleases. He didn't throw a pitch under 93-94 the whole night and touched 96-7 many times. Hammer curve. bulldog and athletic. looks like lincecum and could be.
I'm going to assume we have the next Lincecum on our hands. Go Cubs!
We had the original Lincecum on our hands, too, but didn't wave enough cash pizza money at him to skip college.
Andy'd
Intrepid Reader: Huey
Why get pizza money from the Cubs when you can get a bigger slice on Clark St.?
Bacci is on Addison, dillweed.
Quote from: MAD on June 09, 2010, 08:26:08 AM
Quote from: Fork on June 09, 2010, 07:51:56 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 08, 2010, 05:20:49 PM
Quote from: Night Man on June 08, 2010, 05:17:16 PM
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Quote from: PenPho on June 08, 2010, 05:10:59 PM
I'm not panning this pick because it sure seems like forecasting success at the major league level is absurdly hard, but... (http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=2324)
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Look to Chicago for the draft's biggest early surprise -- Hayden Simpson. No one was on him at No. 17 overall. Simpson, our No. 191 prospect on our Top 200, was our preseason Division II pitcher of the year, and he was the pitcher of the year at Division II. But Simpson is a big surprise as a 6-foot, 170-pound righthander whose velocity parks at 92-94 mph, and he lost just two games in three seasons. Still, many scouts had Simpson in as a middle reliever.
Baseball America
I don't know if all 200 of those guys were draft eligible or if it includes guys currently in the minors, but assuming the former, that's an ugly number.
However, look to the comments for INSIDE INFORMATION:
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This guy is as ligit as they come. Dont buy into the scouting reports, i was in the stands when he struck out 13 against Florida Southern in the regional. First pitch was 97-98 on some of the stalkers.
He can throw 4 pitches for strikes when ever he pleases. He didn't throw a pitch under 93-94 the whole night and touched 96-7 many times. Hammer curve. bulldog and athletic. looks like lincecum and could be.
I'm going to assume we have the next Lincecum on our hands. Go Cubs!
We had the original Lincecum on our hands, too, but didn't wave enough cash pizza money at him to skip college.
Andy'd
Intrepid Reader: Huey
Why get pizza money from the Cubs when you can get a bigger slice on Clark St.?
Bacci is on Addison, dillweed.
I don't keep the fucking pizza datase. that's your job, suckhole.
BP's Kevin Goldstein:
QuoteDay One Selections
16. Hayden Simpson, RHP, Southern Arkansas
Inside the Pick: Easily the biggest shocker of the first round, but post-draft inquiries had it making more sense, as he's the player the Cubs wanted, and they feared a team with multiple first-round picks would nab him before they selected again.
What He is: A guy who can light up a radar gun, as some scouts have seen him touch 97 mph with fastball while parked comfortably in the 92-95 range. He also has a plus curveball, and maintains his stuff deep into games.
What He is Not: One with a classic scouting profile. The stuff is good, but he's undersized for a right-hander, and his fastball tends to be straight. He's unproved against top-notch competition, and will certainly need to make some adjustments as a pro.
Path with the Cubs: Simpson shouldn't be a tough sign, but despite his college background, he'll likely start slowly with Boise in the Northwest League in preparation for a full-season debut in 2011.
Through Three Rounds
2. Reggie Golden, OF, Wetumpka HS (AL)
3. Micah Gibbs, C, Louisiana State
Golden is a tremendous athlete without classic toolsy outfielder size. Compact and strong, he's a plus runner with intriguing power, excellent arm strength, and the skills to play center. He's unrefined at the plate, but his upside is higher than many picked ahead of him. Gibbs is another potential steal, as some teams only had him a notch behind first-rounder Yasmani Grandal as the top college catcher in the draft. His beefy (to be kind) frame turns some off, but he should get to the big leagues on his defensive prowess alone, and he has a good offensive track record.
Summary: While it was initially hard to understand the Simpson selection at 16, at least it's more understandable with some time to digest the pick. Golden and Gibbs are one of the best second/third round combos around, and the club seemed to focus on upside throughout day two.
Quote from: Night Man on June 16, 2010, 02:17:49 AM
Golden is a tremendous athlete without classic toolsy outfielder size. Compact and strong, he's a plus runner with intriguing power, excellent arm strength, and the skills to play center. He's unrefined at the plate, but his upside is higher than many picked ahead of him. Gibbs is another potential steal, as some teams only had him a notch behind first-rounder Yasmani Grandal as the top college catcher in the draft. His beefy (to be kind) frame turns some off, but he should get to the big leagues on his defensive prowess alone, and he has a good offensive track record.
Summary: While it was initially hard to understand the Simpson selection at 16, at least it's more understandable with some time to digest the pick. Golden and Gibbs are one of the best second/third round combos around, and the club seemed to focus on upside throughout day two. Golden is Korey Patterson 3.0
Pie was 2.0
Quote from: Fork on June 16, 2010, 09:26:23 AM
Quote from: Night Man on June 16, 2010, 02:17:49 AM
Golden is a tremendous athlete without classic toolsy outfielder size. Compact and strong, he's a plus runner with intriguing power, excellent arm strength, and the skills to play center. He's unrefined at the plate, but his upside is higher than many picked ahead of him. Gibbs is another potential steal, as some teams only had him a notch behind first-rounder Yasmani Grandal as the top college catcher in the draft. His beefy (to be kind) frame turns some off, but he should get to the big leagues on his defensive prowess alone, and he has a good offensive track record.
Summary: While it was initially hard to understand the Simpson selection at 16, at least it's more understandable with some time to digest the pick. Golden and Gibbs are one of the best second/third round combos around, and the club seemed to focus on upside throughout day two. Golden is Korey Patterson 3.0
Pie was 2.0
Thanks for the deep analysis, Arizona Chuck.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 16, 2010, 09:34:03 AM
Quote from: Fork on June 16, 2010, 09:26:23 AM
Quote from: Night Man on June 16, 2010, 02:17:49 AM
Golden is a tremendous athlete without classic toolsy outfielder size. Compact and strong, he's a plus runner with intriguing power, excellent arm strength, and the skills to play center. He's unrefined at the plate, but his upside is higher than many picked ahead of him. Gibbs is another potential steal, as some teams only had him a notch behind first-rounder Yasmani Grandal as the top college catcher in the draft. His beefy (to be kind) frame turns some off, but he should get to the big leagues on his defensive prowess alone, and he has a good offensive track record.
Summary: While it was initially hard to understand the Simpson selection at 16, at least it's more understandable with some time to digest the pick. Golden and Gibbs are one of the best second/third round combos around, and the club seemed to focus on upside throughout day two. Golden is Korey Patterson 3.0
Pie was 2.0
Thanks for the deep analysis, Arizona Chuck.
First time he hops for a flyball, shit gets real.
One more guy the Cubs can't call up to SAVE THE SEASON, according to Selfish Tim:
QuoteCHICAGO -- Hayden Simpson, the Cubs' No. 1 Draft pick, will not play baseball this summer because he's battling mononucleosis, according to scouting director Tim Wilken.
Wilken was in Boise on Monday with the Class A Short-Season team, where Simpson would have reported by this time. The 16th overall selection out of Southern Arkansas, Simpson went 13-1 with a 1.81 ERA in 99 1/3 innings over his junior season.
The Cubs planned on having Simpson report to Mesa, Ariz., after he signed on June 19 and then report to Boise. The day he signed, Simpson had a side session at Wrigley Field with Cubs pitching coach Larry Rothschild.
"Maybe this is a blessing in disguise," Wilken said. "Not for Boise and not for the selfish Tim Wilken, who wants to see him in a game."
Quote from: Night Man on July 20, 2010, 04:17:46 PM
One more guy the Cubs can't call up to SAVE THE SEASON, according to Selfish Tim:
QuoteCHICAGO -- Hayden Simpson, the Cubs' No. 1 Draft pick, will not play baseball this summer because he's battling mononucleosis, according to scouting director Tim Wilken.
Wilken was in Boise on Monday with the Class A Short-Season team, where Simpson would have reported by this time. The 16th overall selection out of Southern Arkansas, Simpson went 13-1 with a 1.81 ERA in 99 1/3 innings over his junior season.
The Cubs planned on having Simpson report to Mesa, Ariz., after he signed on June 19 and then report to Boise. The day he signed, Simpson had a side session at Wrigley Field with Cubs pitching coach Larry Rothschild.
"Maybe this is a blessing in disguise," Wilken said. "Not for Boise and not for the selfish Tim Wilken, who wants to see him in a game."
Why is our #1 pick getting mono a blessing in disguise?
Quote from: BH on July 20, 2010, 04:19:44 PM
Quote from: Night Man on July 20, 2010, 04:17:46 PM
One more guy the Cubs can't call up to SAVE THE SEASON, according to Selfish Tim:
QuoteCHICAGO -- Hayden Simpson, the Cubs' No. 1 Draft pick, will not play baseball this summer because he's battling mononucleosis, according to scouting director Tim Wilken.
Wilken was in Boise on Monday with the Class A Short-Season team, where Simpson would have reported by this time. The 16th overall selection out of Southern Arkansas, Simpson went 13-1 with a 1.81 ERA in 99 1/3 innings over his junior season.
The Cubs planned on having Simpson report to Mesa, Ariz., after he signed on June 19 and then report to Boise. The day he signed, Simpson had a side session at Wrigley Field with Cubs pitching coach Larry Rothschild.
"Maybe this is a blessing in disguise," Wilken said. "Not for Boise and not for the selfish Tim Wilken, who wants to see him in a game."
Why is our #1 pick getting mono a blessing in disguise?
That entire quote is bizarre. The only thing I can come up with is that he's already thrown 100 innings this year, so now they don't need an excuse to shut him down.
I'm ignoring Apex's blatant disregard for the rule of law by posting the latest esteemed Cubs draft selection (TIM WILKEN, BITCHEZZZZ) in the unreadable thread.
Javier Baez
(http://www.perfectgame.org/images/profilepics/10natn23.jpg)
Position: Shortstop (3B?)
School: Arlington Country Day School; Jacksonville, FL
DOB: 12/1/1992
Bats: R
Throws: R
Height: 6'0
Weight: 180 lbs
Who Morans Will Say Is Getting Dissed: Starlin Castro, Josh Vitters
Hobbies: Economics (https://sites.google.com/site/javierbaezsite/)
Scouting Videos: YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMlngmhYlME), MLB.com (http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=14747085&topic_id=18682064)
MLB.com Scouting Report: While the college bat scene is relatively thin, there are some very intriguing high school position players available. Baez is certainly one of them, and his name seemed to be moving up boards as the Draft approached. Fellow Floridian Francisco Lindor will likely go off the board first, but Baez may not be that far behind. That's largely because of his bat. He gets his money's worth at the plate, and the ball jumps off his bat thanks to excellent bat speed. He doesn't have the best plate discipline, but he should be an above-average hitter in the future. He's got good power, especially to the pull side. He's an average runner who won't be a basestealer, but he's ok when under way. Defensively, he likely won't be able to remain at shortstop, with some thinking he'll make a good third baseman at the next level. He's got the arm and good hands for it, and the lack of range at short won't be an issue. It also looks like he'll have the bat for the corner spot, and that kind of potential production will likely allow him to be selected as early as the first half of the first round.
Best picture of a Cubs draft pick ever?
(http://i54.tinypic.com/5fnlo3.png)
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 06, 2011, 11:52:54 PM
Best picture of a Cubs draft pick ever?
(http://i54.tinypic.com/5fnlo3.png)
HGH is a helluva drug.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 06, 2011, 08:10:19 PM
He doesn't have the best plate discipline
Of. Course. Not.
The Rangers totally snaked one of Hendry's targets in the 33rd round. (http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/08/rangers-draft-paralyzed-outfielder-johnathan-taylor/)
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 09, 2011, 11:37:14 AM
The Rangers totally snaked one of Hendry's targets in the 33rd round. (http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/08/rangers-draft-paralyzed-outfielder-johnathan-taylor/)
We should have drafted him in an early round and spun him in a trade for Josh Hamilton. Wrong. Righted.
Texas also drafted his best friend. Which is really cute.
Quote from: BH on June 09, 2011, 11:58:18 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 09, 2011, 11:37:14 AM
The Rangers totally snaked one of Hendry's targets in the 33rd round. (http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/08/rangers-draft-paralyzed-outfielder-johnathan-taylor/)
We should have drafted him in an early round and spun him in a trade for Josh Hamilton. Wrong. Righted.
Texas also drafted his best friend. Which is really cute.
So that guy got drafted but nobody took future All-Star Ozney Guillen?!?
Dammit, this will tear my White Sox asunder.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 09, 2011, 11:37:14 AM
The Rangers totally snaked one of Hendry's targets in the 33rd round. (http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/08/rangers-draft-paralyzed-outfielder-johnathan-taylor/)
" Still, he is able to use his hands again and even play video games. "
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on June 09, 2011, 01:18:20 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 09, 2011, 11:37:14 AM
The Rangers totally snaked one of Hendry's targets in the 33rd round. (http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/08/rangers-draft-paralyzed-outfielder-johnathan-taylor/)
" Still, he is able to use his hands again and even play video games. "
So, give us a ruling then Dubbs. Paralyzed or no?
So what's the bet on the gretzky kid showing up to Blackhawks training camp?
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 09, 2011, 01:24:23 PM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on June 09, 2011, 01:18:20 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 09, 2011, 11:37:14 AM
The Rangers totally snaked one of Hendry's targets in the 33rd round. (http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/08/rangers-draft-paralyzed-outfielder-johnathan-taylor/)
" Still, he is able to use his hands again and even play video games. "
So, give us a ruling then Dubbs. Paralyzed or no?
He's tetrallyzed. Like about 95% of the insipiots here.
Bump.
Seems like this guy is the consensus? (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=17238)
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6. Chicago Cubs ($3.25M): Albert Almora, OF, Mater Academy (FL)
There's really no other names attached to the Cubs at this point. The presence of Correa could create a difficult decision, and there might be some interest in Fried, but they clearly prefer the high school position players.
Quote from: PenPho on June 04, 2012, 01:04:07 PM
Bump.
Seems like this guy is the consensus? (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=17238)
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6. Chicago Cubs ($3.25M): Albert Almora, OF, Mater Academy (FL)
There's really no other names attached to the Cubs at this point. The presence of Correa could create a difficult decision, and there might be some interest in Fried, but they clearly prefer the high school position players.
Based on Theo and Hoyer's comments regarding lack of organizational depth in pitching, I think if Zimmer's on the board they take him.
What's fun is that, after tonight, we can all start to have favorite players again.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 04, 2012, 01:24:20 PM
What's fun is that, after tonight, we can all start to have favorite players again.
I'm looking forward to those 30 joyous seconds before you start hating them.
Quote from: PenPho on June 04, 2012, 01:25:37 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 04, 2012, 01:24:20 PM
What's fun is that, after tonight, we can all start to have favorite players again.
I'm looking forward to those 30 joyous seconds before you start hating them.
Considering the YouTube videos of Almora feature a player named Albert who wears #5 for a team called the Cardinals, 15 seconds top.
Quote from: PenPho on June 04, 2012, 01:25:37 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 04, 2012, 01:24:20 PM
What's fun is that, after tonight, we can all start to have favorite players again.
I'm looking forward to those 30 joyous seconds before you start hating them.
There aren't that many Cub farmhands I've hated. There was Korey, but I only started hating him after he came up. Felix Pie inspired hope as did Bobby Hill. Was never a big fan of Rich Hill. I actually snapped a few pics of Brett Jackson and Josh Vitters last year at Fitch Park telling the eldest Murton to remember these guys that they might be good, and good soon.
Had high hopes for many others. But Hendry got his taint all over most of them. And that was that.
Quote from: PenPho on June 04, 2012, 01:25:37 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 04, 2012, 01:24:20 PM
What's fun is that, after tonight, we can all start to have favorite players again.
I'm looking forward to those 30 joyous seconds before you start hating them.
He'll probably just wait until they play poorly for a stretch before telling us how he never thought they'd pan out. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=6721.msg254957#msg254957)
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 04, 2012, 01:40:30 PM
Quote from: PenPho on June 04, 2012, 01:25:37 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 04, 2012, 01:24:20 PM
What's fun is that, after tonight, we can all start to have favorite players again.
I'm looking forward to those 30 joyous seconds before you start hating them.
There aren't that many Cub farmhands I've hated. There was Korey, but I only started hating him after he came up. Felix Pie inspired hope as did Bobby Hill. Was never a big fan of Rich Hill. I actually snapped a few pics of Brett Jackson and Josh Vitters last year at Fitch Park telling the eldest Murton to remember these guys that they might be good, and good soon.
Had high hopes for many others. But Hendry got his taint all over most of them. And that was that.
I hate how he made them bad at baseball.
Quote from: Slaky on June 04, 2012, 01:57:34 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 04, 2012, 01:40:30 PM
Quote from: PenPho on June 04, 2012, 01:25:37 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 04, 2012, 01:24:20 PM
What's fun is that, after tonight, we can all start to have favorite players again.
I'm looking forward to those 30 joyous seconds before you start hating them.
There aren't that many Cub farmhands I've hated. There was Korey, but I only started hating him after he came up. Felix Pie inspired hope as did Bobby Hill. Was never a big fan of Rich Hill. I actually snapped a few pics of Brett Jackson and Josh Vitters last year at Fitch Park telling the eldest Murton to remember these guys that they might be good, and good soon.
Had high hopes for many others. But Hendry got his taint all over most of them. And that was that.
I hate how he made them bad at baseball.
To be fair, I think even the mere
thought of Hendry's taint would probably be enough to throw even a Bryce Harper off his game.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 04, 2012, 02:05:19 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 04, 2012, 01:57:34 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 04, 2012, 01:40:30 PM
Quote from: PenPho on June 04, 2012, 01:25:37 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 04, 2012, 01:24:20 PM
What's fun is that, after tonight, we can all start to have favorite players again.
I'm looking forward to those 30 joyous seconds before you start hating them.
There aren't that many Cub farmhands I've hated. There was Korey, but I only started hating him after he came up. Felix Pie inspired hope as did Bobby Hill. Was never a big fan of Rich Hill. I actually snapped a few pics of Brett Jackson and Josh Vitters last year at Fitch Park telling the eldest Murton to remember these guys that they might be good, and good soon.
Had high hopes for many others. But Hendry got his taint all over most of them. And that was that.
I hate how he made them bad at baseball.
To be fair, I think even the mere thought of Hendry's taint would probably be enough to throw even a Bryce Harper off his game.
Does anyone think that Chuck wouldn't hate Trout and Harper if they were Cubs?
Quote from: Oleg on June 04, 2012, 02:14:10 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 04, 2012, 02:05:19 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 04, 2012, 01:57:34 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 04, 2012, 01:40:30 PM
Quote from: PenPho on June 04, 2012, 01:25:37 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 04, 2012, 01:24:20 PM
What's fun is that, after tonight, we can all start to have favorite players again.
I'm looking forward to those 30 joyous seconds before you start hating them.
There aren't that many Cub farmhands I've hated. There was Korey, but I only started hating him after he came up. Felix Pie inspired hope as did Bobby Hill. Was never a big fan of Rich Hill. I actually snapped a few pics of Brett Jackson and Josh Vitters last year at Fitch Park telling the eldest Murton to remember these guys that they might be good, and good soon.
Had high hopes for many others. But Hendry got his taint all over most of them. And that was that.
I hate how he made them bad at baseball.
To be fair, I think even the mere thought of Hendry's taint would probably be enough to throw even a Bryce Harper off his game.
Does anyone think that Chuck wouldn't hate Trout and Harper if they were Cubs?
Get them here and see what happens. But, not possible. Epstink is terrible.
Albert Almora: SAVIOR (http://mediadownloads.mlb.com/mlbam/2011/11/19/mlbtv_19999603_1200K.mp4)
Did anyone hear the slurring used car salesman say "Cubs' first pick in the 2000 Draft"?
God, I thought we had re-drafted Luis Montanez.
Albert GETS IT (http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=22019587&topic_id=29113154)!
(seriously, the Cubs picked a guy whose defining trait is hard work? Who are these guys?)
Can't wait until people are hyperventilating about his horrible K rate and low OBP when he's in single A.
Quote from: Slaky on June 05, 2012, 09:07:11 AM
Can't wait until people are hyperventilating about his horrible K rate RBI totals and low OBP AVG when he's in single A.
MEATBALL'D, MY FRENT.
Baseball is better when Theo can sign late rounders for millions over slot. FYBS&JR
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 08, 2012, 09:19:24 AM
Baseball is better when Theo can sign late rounders for millions over slot. FYBS&JR
You'll change your tune when the Cubs sneak into the postseason on the back of a one-game wild card playoff win.
THIS TIME IT COUNTS!(Or something or other.)
Cubs won the Soler bidding per multiple twatheads. Epstink FINALLY did something right.
Quote from: R-V on June 11, 2012, 01:32:32 PM
Cubs won the Soler bidding per multiple twatheads. Epstink FINALLY did something right.
Can't wait for Soler and Alameda County to both suck balls in Single A...wait, what were we doing?
Chuck is very happy with the Soler deal. So you know it sucks.
Quote from: Slaky on June 11, 2012, 02:13:32 PMChuck is very happy with the Soler deal. So you know it sucks.
I'm having a hard time following what people are so butthurt about on Twitter. From what I can gather?
1. Cubs sign Soler
2. Cubs fans who I can't identify because I try not to follow morons on Twitter, think Soler is a LOCK for awesomeness.
3. Reasonable Cubs fans get butthurt.
Is there something wrong with having a positive about this signing? Who the fuck cares if there are idiots with unreasonable expectations?
Quote from: R-V on June 11, 2012, 02:50:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 11, 2012, 02:13:32 PMChuck is very happy with the Soler deal. So you know it sucks.
I'm having a hard time following what people are so butthurt about on Twitter. From what I can gather?
1. Cubs sign Soler
2. Cubs fans who I can't identify because I try not to follow morons on Twitter, think Soler is a LOCK for awesomeness.
3. Reasonable Cubs fans get butthurt.
Is there something wrong with having a positive about this signing? Who the fuck cares if there are idiots with unreasonable expectations?
I'm very busy at work. When you figure out what I'm supposed to be butthurt about can you PM me? Thanks!
Quote from: R-V on June 11, 2012, 02:50:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 11, 2012, 02:13:32 PMChuck is very happy with the Soler deal. So you know it sucks.
I'm having a hard time following what people are so butthurt about on Twitter. From what I can gather?
1. Cubs sign Soler
2. Cubs fans who I can't identify because I try not to follow morons on Twitter, think Soler is a LOCK for awesomeness.
3. Reasonable Cubs fans get butthurt.
Is there something wrong with having a positive about this signing? Who the fuck cares if there are idiots with unreasonable expectations?
Those idiots will pressure the front office by calling Epstink and demanding that Soler be rushed to the majors to save the season.
WORLD SERIES CHAMPS, FEMALE DOGS
1. Castro, ss
2. Jackson, cf
3. Almora, lf
4. Rizzo, 1b
5. Soler, rf
6. Baez, 3b
7. Barney, 2b
8. Clevenger/Castillo/Brenly? c
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 11, 2012, 03:06:10 PM
WORLD SERIES CHAMPS, FEMALE DOGS
1. Cano, 2b
2. Adam Jones, CF
3. Almora, lf
4. Rizzo, 1b
5. Soler, rf
6. McCann, C
7. Baez, 3b
8. Castro, ss
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 11, 2012, 03:06:10 PM
WORLD SERIES CHAMPS, FEMALE DOGS
1. Castro, ss
2. Jackson, cf
3. Almora, lf
4. Rizzo, 1b
5. Soler, rf
6. Baez, 3b
7. Barney, 2b
8. Clevenger/Castillo/Brenly? c
With Borb as manager for Brenly×2?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 11, 2012, 03:25:29 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 11, 2012, 03:06:10 PM
WORLD SERIES CHAMPS, FEMALE DOGS
1. Cano, 2b
2. Adam Jones, CF
3. Almora, lf
4. Rizzo, 1b
5. Soler, rf
6. McCann, C
7. Baez, 3b
8. Castro, ss
You hate Alfonso Soriano but want Adam Jones to end up here?
Quote from: Eli on June 11, 2012, 03:40:07 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 11, 2012, 03:25:29 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 11, 2012, 03:06:10 PM
WORLD SERIES CHAMPS, FEMALE DOGS
1. Cano, 2b
2. Adam Jones, CF
3. Almora, lf
4. Rizzo, 1b
5. Soler, rf
6. McCann, C
7. Baez, 3b
8. Castro, ss
You hate Alfonso Soriano but want Adam Jones to end up here?
Just predicting, not indicating who I like. I think there are going to be some big free agents signed post 2013. Jones, Cano and McCann are on that list and would, based on today's roster, would fill big holes.
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 11, 2012, 02:56:36 PM
Quote from: R-V on June 11, 2012, 02:50:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 11, 2012, 02:13:32 PMChuck is very happy with the Soler deal. So you know it sucks.
I'm having a hard time following what people are so butthurt about on Twitter. From what I can gather?
1. Cubs sign Soler
2. Cubs fans who I can't identify because I try not to follow morons on Twitter, think Soler is a LOCK for awesomeness.
3. Reasonable Cubs fans get butthurt.
Is there something wrong with having a positive about this signing? Who the fuck cares if there are idiots with unreasonable expectations?
I'm very busy at work. When you figure out what I'm supposed to be butthurt about can you PM me? Thanks!
I've never known you to have any trouble deciding what to be butthurt about.
Quote from: CT III on June 11, 2012, 03:05:34 PM
Quote from: R-V on June 11, 2012, 02:50:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 11, 2012, 02:13:32 PMChuck is very happy with the Soler deal. So you know it sucks.
I'm having a hard time following what people are so butthurt about on Twitter. From what I can gather?
1. Cubs sign Soler
2. Cubs fans who I can't identify because I try not to follow morons on Twitter, think Soler is a LOCK for awesomeness.
3. Reasonable Cubs fans get butthurt.
Is there something wrong with having a positive about this signing? Who the fuck cares if there are idiots with unreasonable expectations?
Those idiots will pressure the front office by calling Epstink and demanding that Soler be rushed to the majors to save the season.
I've been on hold with his secretary since I heard about this.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 11, 2012, 03:44:44 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 11, 2012, 03:40:07 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 11, 2012, 03:25:29 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 11, 2012, 03:06:10 PM
WORLD SERIES CHAMPS, FEMALE DOGS
1. Cano, 2b
2. Adam Jones, CF
3. Almora, lf
4. Rizzo, 1b
5. Soler, rf
6. McCann, C
7. Baez, 3b
8. Castro, ss
You hate Alfonso Soriano but want Adam Jones to end up here?
Just predicting, not indicating who I like. I think there are going to be some big free agents signed post 2013. Jones, Cano and McCann are on that list and would, based on today's roster, would fill big holes.
I guess the Cubs could sign Jones when he's a free agent in 2019.
Quote from: Eli on June 11, 2012, 03:55:09 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 11, 2012, 03:44:44 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 11, 2012, 03:40:07 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 11, 2012, 03:25:29 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 11, 2012, 03:06:10 PM
WORLD SERIES CHAMPS, FEMALE DOGS
1. Cano, 2b
2. Adam Jones, CF
3. Almora, lf
4. Rizzo, 1b
5. Soler, rf
6. McCann, C
7. Baez, 3b
8. Castro, ss
You hate Alfonso Soriano but want Adam Jones to end up here?
Just predicting, not indicating who I like. I think there are going to be some big free agents signed post 2013. Jones, Cano and McCann are on that list and would, based on today's roster, would fill big holes.
I guess the Cubs could sign Jones when he's a free agent in 2019.
So, cross him off then!
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on June 11, 2012, 03:47:39 PM
Quote from: CT III on June 11, 2012, 03:05:34 PM
Quote from: R-V on June 11, 2012, 02:50:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 11, 2012, 02:13:32 PMChuck is very happy with the Soler deal. So you know it sucks.
I'm having a hard time following what people are so butthurt about on Twitter. From what I can gather?
1. Cubs sign Soler
2. Cubs fans who I can't identify because I try not to follow morons on Twitter, think Soler is a LOCK for awesomeness.
3. Reasonable Cubs fans get butthurt.
Is there something wrong with having a positive about this signing? Who the fuck cares if there are idiots with unreasonable expectations?
Those idiots will pressure the front office by calling Epstink and demanding that Soler be rushed to the majors to save the season.
I've been on hold with his secretary since I heard about this.
How many fucking meetings can those people have?
(Also: be careful. Sitting on hold on a cellphone for hours at a stretch has been found to be strongly correlated with incidence of some types of cancer.)
Quote from: R-V on June 11, 2012, 02:50:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 11, 2012, 02:13:32 PMChuck is very happy with the Soler deal. So you know it sucks.
I'm having a hard time following what people are so butthurt about on Twitter. From what I can gather?
1. Cubs sign Soler
2. Cubs fans who I can't identify because I try not to follow morons on Twitter, think Soler is a LOCK for awesomeness.
3. Reasonable Cubs fans get butthurt.
Is there something wrong with having a positive about this signing? Who the fuck cares if there are idiots with unreasonable expectations?
It's called killing my own optimism with over the top criticism. Learn about it.
Quote from: Slaky on June 11, 2012, 05:12:41 PM
Quote from: R-V on June 11, 2012, 02:50:34 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 11, 2012, 02:13:32 PMChuck is very happy with the Soler deal. So you know it sucks.
I'm having a hard time following what people are so butthurt about on Twitter. From what I can gather?
1. Cubs sign Soler
2. Cubs fans who I can't identify because I try not to follow morons on Twitter, think Soler is a LOCK for awesomeness.
3. Reasonable Cubs fans get butthurt.
Is there something wrong with having a positive about this signing? Who the fuck cares if there are idiots with unreasonable expectations?
It's called killing my own optimism with over the top criticism. Learn about it.
I'm intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
The Cubs signed Almora before Friday's deadline. (https://twitter.com/jimcallisBA/status/222392999496253441) /preorders Almora shirsey
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 09, 2012, 01:26:29 PM
The Cubs signed Almora before Friday's deadline. (https://twitter.com/jimcallisBA/status/222392999496253441) /preorders Almora shirsey
Jackson, Almora, and the Domincan INF they signed last week. Solid.
Castro is 22.
Rizzo is awesome.
Vitters may be good after all.
I don't give a fuck what any of you goofballs think, I'm going to start getting damn excited about this team's future.
I should probably know better.
Quote from: Oleg on July 09, 2012, 01:35:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 09, 2012, 01:26:29 PM
The Cubs signed Almora before Friday's deadline. (https://twitter.com/jimcallisBA/status/222392999496253441) /preorders Almora shirsey
Jackson, Almora, and the Domincan INF they signed last week. Solid.
Castro is 22.
Rizzo is awesome.
Vitters may be good after all.
I don't give a fuck what any of you goofballs think, I'm going to start getting damn excited about this team's future.
I should probably know better.
Not everyone (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/danny-knobler/19535517/tigers-have-some-interest-in-garza-and-more-notes-from-all-star-futures-sunday) will make those postseason rosters though:
QuoteThe Cubs spent $6 million and a 40-man roster spot on 20-year-old Cuban pitcher Gerardo Concepcion, but scouts who have seen him pitch in the Class A Midwest League have come away totally unimpressed. "They're trying to tell people it's just mechanics that he needs to get straightened out," one scout said. "But I'm telling you, he stinks. If he was in a junior college game you were at, you'd leave." Concepcion is 2-6 with a 7.39 ERA in 12 starts for Peoria.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 09, 2012, 02:19:39 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 09, 2012, 01:35:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 09, 2012, 01:26:29 PM
The Cubs signed Almora before Friday's deadline. (https://twitter.com/jimcallisBA/status/222392999496253441) /preorders Almora shirsey
Jackson, Almora, and the Domincan INF they signed last week. Solid.
Castro is 22.
Rizzo is awesome.
Vitters may be good after all.
I don't give a fuck what any of you goofballs think, I'm going to start getting damn excited about this team's future.
I should probably know better.
Not everyone (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/danny-knobler/19535517/tigers-have-some-interest-in-garza-and-more-notes-from-all-star-futures-sunday) will make those postseason rosters though:
QuoteThe Cubs spent $6 million and a 40-man roster spot on 20-year-old Cuban pitcher Gerardo Concepcion, but scouts who have seen him pitch in the Class A Midwest League have come away totally unimpressed. "They're trying to tell people it's just mechanics that he needs to get straightened out," one scout said. "But I'm telling you, he stinks. If he was in a junior college game you were at, you'd leave." Concepcion is 2-6 with a 7.39 ERA in 12 starts for Peoria.
ConcEpstink is terrible.
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 09, 2012, 02:21:05 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 09, 2012, 02:19:39 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 09, 2012, 01:35:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 09, 2012, 01:26:29 PM
The Cubs signed Almora before Friday's deadline. (https://twitter.com/jimcallisBA/status/222392999496253441) /preorders Almora shirsey
Jackson, Almora, and the Domincan INF they signed last week. Solid.
Castro is 22.
Rizzo is awesome.
Vitters may be good after all.
I don't give a fuck what any of you goofballs think, I'm going to start getting damn excited about this team's future.
I should probably know better.
Not everyone (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/danny-knobler/19535517/tigers-have-some-interest-in-garza-and-more-notes-from-all-star-futures-sunday) will make those postseason rosters though:
QuoteThe Cubs spent $6 million and a 40-man roster spot on 20-year-old Cuban pitcher Gerardo Concepcion, but scouts who have seen him pitch in the Class A Midwest League have come away totally unimpressed. "They're trying to tell people it's just mechanics that he needs to get straightened out," one scout said. "But I'm telling you, he stinks. If he was in a junior college game you were at, you'd leave." Concepcion is 2-6 with a 7.39 ERA in 12 starts for Peoria.
ConcEpstink is terrible.
Shocking news, given his amazing (http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2012/02/cubsnews020212.php) scouting report.
"Concepcion is 6-foot-2 with long arms, sloped shoulders and an athletic wiry frame. According to Baseball America, Concepcion is advanced to his age and can locate his fastball to both sides of the plate ... but he does not possess the stuff to miss bats.
Concepcion throws a fastball that ranges anywhere from 86-92 MPH and features a mid-70s curveball that shows good depth at times but can get loopy. Concepcion also features a change-up that some have called a splitter ... either pitch is consider a work in progress.
Some think Concepcion might end up a fourth or fifth starter in a big league rotation."
Quote from: BH on July 10, 2012, 08:27:56 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 09, 2012, 02:21:05 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 09, 2012, 02:19:39 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 09, 2012, 01:35:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 09, 2012, 01:26:29 PM
The Cubs signed Almora before Friday's deadline. (https://twitter.com/jimcallisBA/status/222392999496253441) /preorders Almora shirsey
Jackson, Almora, and the Domincan INF they signed last week. Solid.
Castro is 22.
Rizzo is awesome.
Vitters may be good after all.
I don't give a fuck what any of you goofballs think, I'm going to start getting damn excited about this team's future.
I should probably know better.
Not everyone (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/danny-knobler/19535517/tigers-have-some-interest-in-garza-and-more-notes-from-all-star-futures-sunday) will make those postseason rosters though:
QuoteThe Cubs spent $6 million and a 40-man roster spot on 20-year-old Cuban pitcher Gerardo Concepcion, but scouts who have seen him pitch in the Class A Midwest League have come away totally unimpressed. "They're trying to tell people it's just mechanics that he needs to get straightened out," one scout said. "But I'm telling you, he stinks. If he was in a junior college game you were at, you'd leave." Concepcion is 2-6 with a 7.39 ERA in 12 starts for Peoria.
ConcEpstink is terrible.
Shocking news, given his amazing (http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2012/02/cubsnews020212.php) scouting report.
"Concepcion is 6-foot-2 with long arms, sloped shoulders and an athletic wiry frame. According to Baseball America, Concepcion is advanced to his age and can locate his fastball to both sides of the plate ... but he does not possess the stuff to miss bats.
Concepcion throws a fastball that ranges anywhere from 86-92 MPH and features a mid-70s curveball that shows good depth at times but can get loopy. Concepcion also features a change-up that some have called a splitter ... either pitch is consider a work in progress.
Some think Concepcion might end up a fourth or fifth starter in a big league rotation."
He's not even pitching up to that half-empty projection. More like left-handed and Cuban Casey Coleman.
DPD. The Fighting Illini baseball powerhouse has another prospect on the way (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/instagraphs/gif-actual-prospect-illinois-left-hander-tyler-jays-changeup/).