George Steinbrenner, 80. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/baseball/steinbrenner-dead-at-80/article1638149/)
Quote from: MAD on July 13, 2010, 08:54:12 AM
George Steinbrenner, 80. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/baseball/steinbrenner-dead-at-80/article1638149/)
Shittiest dead pool thread title, or shittiest thread title ever?
Richard....
YOU'RE HIRED!
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on July 13, 2010, 08:59:34 AM
Quote from: MAD on July 13, 2010, 08:54:12 AM
George Steinbrenner, 80. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/baseball/steinbrenner-dead-at-80/article1638149/)
Shittiest dead pool thread title, or shittiest thread title ever?
Sorry I didn't quote "Seinfeld", sitcom boy.
Butthead claims his 8-point number 4 pick (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tEvra8aPSTDmrRGJT9-vybQ&single=true&gid=5&output=html) and jumps up into a tie with RV at 12 points a piece (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tEvra8aPSTDmrRGJT9-vybQ&single=true&gid=3&output=html).
Could have been tied for second with TEC and Yeti at 13 if Big Stein had only had that grabber 10 days earlier.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 13, 2010, 09:42:44 AM
Butthead claims his 8-point number 4 pick (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tEvra8aPSTDmrRGJT9-vybQ&single=true&gid=5&output=html) and jumps up into a tie with RV at 12 points a piece (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tEvra8aPSTDmrRGJT9-vybQ&single=true&gid=3&output=html).
Could have been tied for second with TEC and Yeti at 13 if Big Stein had only had that grabber 10 days earlier.
I'd be in better shape if Artie Lange hadn't pussed out on the suicide attempt.
This really is a terrible thread title.
The government lost out on potentially $500 million in taxes. (http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/14/steinbrenner-heirs-may-save-millions-on-estate-tax/)
QuoteForbes magazine has estimated Mr. Steinbrenner's estate at $1.1 billion. The federal estate tax in 2009 was 45 percent, with the $3.5 million per-person exemption. If he had died last year, his estate could have faced federal taxes of almost $500 million, depending on how the estate was structured.
Nice choice, Obama
This is a little old, but too good to ignore.
The Raiders released the following statement (http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2010/07/14/al-on-george-steinbrenner/) from Al Davis regarding the passing of Yankees owner George Steinbrenner:
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"He was a friend and a warrior. We not only shared a birthday, but also an unyielding will to win and an unparalleled commitment to excellence.
"I judge sports figures based on individual achievement, team achievement and contributions to the game," Davis said. "George was right up there with me at No. 1 — bright, aggressive and, most of all, not afraid.
"When the Yankees were going through the lean times in the '80s and after we beat the Redskins in the Super Bowl in Tampa, George and I would talk and I would pep him up," Davis said. "Later on, he did the same for me when Tampa beat us in the Super Bowl."
God knows when anyone thinks of "individual achievement, team achievement and contributions to the game", Al Davis comes to mind.
Quote from: PenPho on July 19, 2010, 11:30:10 AM
This is a little old, but too good to ignore.
The Raiders released the following statement (http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2010/07/14/al-on-george-steinbrenner/) from Al Davis regarding the passing of Yankees owner George Steinbrenner:
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"He was a friend and a warrior. We not only shared a birthday, but also an unyielding will to win and an unparalleled commitment to excellence.
"I judge sports figures based on individual achievement, team achievement and contributions to the game," Davis said. "George was right up there with me at No. 1 — bright, aggressive and, most of all, not afraid.
"When the Yankees were going through the lean times in the '80s and after we beat the Redskins in the Super Bowl in Tampa, George and I would talk and I would pep him up," Davis said. "Later on, he did the same for me when Tampa beat us in the Super Bowl."
God knows when anyone thinks of "individual achievement, team achievement and contributions to the game", Al Davis comes to mind.
I'd say Al Davis made more contributions to his game than Steinbrenner did to his.
Quote from: MAD on July 19, 2010, 11:51:01 AM
Quote from: PenPho on July 19, 2010, 11:30:10 AM
This is a little old, but too good to ignore.
The Raiders released the following statement (http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2010/07/14/al-on-george-steinbrenner/) from Al Davis regarding the passing of Yankees owner George Steinbrenner:
Quote
"He was a friend and a warrior. We not only shared a birthday, but also an unyielding will to win and an unparalleled commitment to excellence.
"I judge sports figures based on individual achievement, team achievement and contributions to the game," Davis said. "George was right up there with me at No. 1 — bright, aggressive and, most of all, not afraid.
"When the Yankees were going through the lean times in the '80s and after we beat the Redskins in the Super Bowl in Tampa, George and I would talk and I would pep him up," Davis said. "Later on, he did the same for me when Tampa beat us in the Super Bowl."
God knows when anyone thinks of "individual achievement, team achievement and contributions to the game", Al Davis comes to mind.
I'd say Al Davis made more contributions to his game than Steinbrenner did to his.
Yeah, Al Davis is insane now, but without him, there's no way the NFL looks the way it does.
Without him, the AFL goes the way of the USFL and the WFL.
Quote from: MAD on July 19, 2010, 11:51:01 AM
Quote from: PenPho on July 19, 2010, 11:30:10 AM
This is a little old, but too good to ignore.
The Raiders released the following statement (http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2010/07/14/al-on-george-steinbrenner/) from Al Davis regarding the passing of Yankees owner George Steinbrenner:
Quote
"He was a friend and a warrior. We not only shared a birthday, but also an unyielding will to win and an unparalleled commitment to excellence.
"I judge sports figures based on individual achievement, team achievement and contributions to the game," Davis said. "George was right up there with me at No. 1 — bright, aggressive and, most of all, not afraid.
"When the Yankees were going through the lean times in the '80s and after we beat the Redskins in the Super Bowl in Tampa, George and I would talk and I would pep him up," Davis said. "Later on, he did the same for me when Tampa beat us in the Super Bowl."
God knows when anyone thinks of "individual achievement, team achievement and contributions to the game", Al Davis comes to mind.
I'd say Al Davis made more contributions to his game than Steinbrenner did to his.
Okay, so let's applaud what Al Davis did 20-30 years ago and forget the fact that Steinbrenner essentially revolutionized the model for teams with the YES Network and was the first to really understand free agency.
The Raiders haven't been in a playoff game in 8 years.
Quote from: PenPho on July 19, 2010, 12:43:10 PM
Quote from: MAD on July 19, 2010, 11:51:01 AM
Quote from: PenPho on July 19, 2010, 11:30:10 AM
This is a little old, but too good to ignore.
The Raiders released the following statement (http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2010/07/14/al-on-george-steinbrenner/) from Al Davis regarding the passing of Yankees owner George Steinbrenner:
Quote
"He was a friend and a warrior. We not only shared a birthday, but also an unyielding will to win and an unparalleled commitment to excellence.
"I judge sports figures based on individual achievement, team achievement and contributions to the game," Davis said. "George was right up there with me at No. 1 — bright, aggressive and, most of all, not afraid.
"When the Yankees were going through the lean times in the '80s and after we beat the Redskins in the Super Bowl in Tampa, George and I would talk and I would pep him up," Davis said. "Later on, he did the same for me when Tampa beat us in the Super Bowl."
God knows when anyone thinks of "individual achievement, team achievement and contributions to the game", Al Davis comes to mind.
I'd say Al Davis made more contributions to his game than Steinbrenner did to his.
Okay, so let's applaud what Al Davis did 20-30 years ago and forget the fact that Steinbrenner essentially revolutionized the model for teams with the YES Network and was the first to really understand free agency.
The Raiders haven't been in a playoff game in 8 years.
And the Yanks hadn't been in the playoffs for 13 years between 1981 and 1995, which would account for nearly half of Steinbrenner's tenure.
His first two World Series titles were more the result of him being at the right place at the right time at the dawn of Free Agency, and he took full advantage. That hardly took any vision.
Finally, the nucleus of the most recent Yankee dynasty was put in place when that obnoxious fat fuck was on the sidelines. Jeter, Posada, Pettite and Rivera were all acquired when the Big Stein was suspended.
So to recap:
1) Two World Series titles early in his tenure, thanks to being in New York and able to spend freely.
2) Then...nothing, for nearly a decade-and-half.
3) Then, a renaissance born while he was absent.
As for the YES! Network. Okay fine. Good call. But that didn't necessarily require any unique vision, just the financial muscle to pull ito off. The idea would have been obvious to anyone looking to maximize revenue streams. Revolutionary? Perhaps, but if Steinbreener hadn't engineered it, the plan would still have been inevitable, and someone else would have engineered it..
Yes, Davis' Raiders hadn't won a playoff game for 8 whole years, but TJ is allowing for that fact when he refers to him as being insane now.
Quote from: MAD on July 19, 2010, 01:02:14 PM
That hardly took any vision.
So little vision that no one else did it (well, at least) until he did?
Quote from: PenPho on July 19, 2010, 01:12:07 PM
Quote from: MAD on July 19, 2010, 01:02:14 PM
That hardly took any vision.
So little vision that no one else did it (well, at least) until he did?
Free agency was in its infancy. Steinbrenner just signed anyone who wanted to be a Yankee, with some good results (Reggie Jackson) and some bad ones (Don Gullett). Bill Veeck said at the time that Steinbrenner's biggest failure wasn't his overpaying for stardom, it was his overpaying for mediocrity.
It is also no mistake that the Yankees' best run (1996-2000) was due to a team largely assembled during his second ban from baseball.
Quote from: Fork on July 19, 2010, 01:23:33 PM
Quote from: PenPho on July 19, 2010, 01:12:07 PM
Quote from: MAD on July 19, 2010, 01:02:14 PM
That hardly took any vision.
So little vision that no one else did it (well, at least) until he did?
Free agency was in its infancy. Steinbrenner just signed anyone who wanted to be a Yankee, with some good results (Reggie Jackson) and some bad ones (Don Gullett). Bill Veeck said at the time that Steinbrenner's biggest failure wasn't his overpaying for stardom, it was his overpaying for mediocrity.
It is also no mistake that the Yankees' best run (1996-2000) was due to a team largely assembled during his second ban from baseball.
What does that have to do with YES?
Steinbrenner didn't revoluationize the model for other MLB teams. He revolutionized it for the Yankees. He spent a shitload of money on free agents and he set up the YES network, but what impact does that have on MLB? No other franchises except maybe the Red Sox and the Cubs have ability to emulate what Steinbrenner did.
Al Davis has always been insane, but his insanity has actually changed the landscapre of pro football and even other sports. It was largely due to his leadership that the AFL was able to force the NFL into a merger (which set the blueprint for the WHA to pull the same thing on the NHL). His lawsuit against the NFL in the 80's set the stage for the movement of franchises. Without it, there would not be any Indianapolis Colts, no Oklahoma City Thunder, no Phoenix Coyotes.
Guh.
I'm not saying that Davis' acheivements turned out to be great things for sports or sports fans, but I certainly think he did a lot more to change the face of professional sports than George Steinbrenner.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 19, 2010, 01:36:29 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 19, 2010, 01:23:33 PM
Quote from: PenPho on July 19, 2010, 01:12:07 PM
Quote from: MAD on July 19, 2010, 01:02:14 PM
That hardly took any vision.
So little vision that no one else did it (well, at least) until he did?
Free agency was in its infancy. Steinbrenner just signed anyone who wanted to be a Yankee, with some good results (Reggie Jackson) and some bad ones (Don Gullett). Bill Veeck said at the time that Steinbrenner's biggest failure wasn't his overpaying for stardom, it was his overpaying for mediocrity.
It is also no mistake that the Yankees' best run (1996-2000) was due to a team largely assembled during his second ban from baseball.
What does that have to do with YES?
He didn't innovate there either. The whole team/network model was devised by Ted Turner.
An owner who did revolutionary stuff with TV? Look no further. (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&pid=19528&bid=1376)
An owner who did revolutionary stuff with pay television? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ON-TV) Look no further. (http://whitesox.mlb.com/cws/team/exe_bios/einhorn_eddie.html)
An owner who was able to put his stamp on the 1970s by firing and releasing people at will? Look no further. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Finley)
An owner not ashamed to buy a World Series? Look no further. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Huizenga)
An owner who figured out Rent-A-Player? Look no further. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Veeck)
An owner who figured out how to make the team's brand go global? Look no further. (http://www.tribune.com/)
An owner who seems content to let his kids ruin his team through benign neglect? Look no further. (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/10/billionaires08_J-Joseph-Ricketts_4H9T.html)
All local connections, sure, but each of their impacts (except for the last guy) measures up to and beyond Steinbrenner's.
I don't really get how Steinbrenner gets all this credit for "revolutionizing" free agency. Kruk, that mope, said the same thing during the home run derby, something to the effect that player owe Steinbrenner thanks for making all this money.
Shit, if Marvin Miller wasn't smarter than Charles Finley, and certainly no other owner was, free agency today would be a boon for management.
In short, John Kruk can suck a bag of pickled corpse penis.
Quote from: Oleg on July 19, 2010, 03:17:31 PM
I don't really get how Steinbrenner gets all this credit for "revolutionizing" free agency. Kruk, that mope, said the same thing during the home run derby, something to the effect that player owe Steinbrenner thanks for making all this money.
Shit, if Marvin Miller wasn't smarter than Charles Finley, and certainly no other owner was, free agency today would be a boon for management.
In short, John Kruk can suck a bag of pickled corpse penis.
What are the great moments in free agent history? Outside of the Reggie Jackson signing, what did Steinbrenner do that was noteworthy? Sign Ed Whitson? Jason Giambi? Fail to sign A-Rod?
This thread title is still really, really shitty.
Quote from: Brownie on July 19, 2010, 03:34:33 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 19, 2010, 03:17:31 PM
I don't really get how Steinbrenner gets all this credit for "revolutionizing" free agency. Kruk, that mope, said the same thing during the home run derby, something to the effect that player owe Steinbrenner thanks for making all this money.
Shit, if Marvin Miller wasn't smarter than Charles Finley, and certainly no other owner was, free agency today would be a boon for management.
In short, John Kruk can suck a bag of pickled corpse penis.
What are the great moments in free agent history? Outside of the Reggie Jackson signing, what did Steinbrenner do that was noteworthy? Sign Ed Whitson? Jason Giambi? Fail to sign A-Rod?
Actually, the first noteworthy FA signing was Catfish Hunter. But Steinbrenner didn't innovate anything, he just outbid Ted Turner.
And John Kruk can eat his own rotten nut.
Quote from: Brownie on July 19, 2010, 02:31:15 PM
An owner who did revolutionary stuff with TV? Look no further. (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&pid=19528&bid=1376)
An owner who did revolutionary stuff with pay television? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ON-TV) Look no further. (http://whitesox.mlb.com/cws/team/exe_bios/einhorn_eddie.html)
An owner who was able to put his stamp on the 1970s by firing and releasing people at will? Look no further. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Finley)
An owner not ashamed to buy a World Series? Look no further. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Huizenga)
An owner who figured out Rent-A-Player? Look no further. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Veeck)
An owner who figured out how to make the team's brand go global? Look no further. (http://www.tribune.com/)
An owner who seems content to let his kids ruin his team through benign neglect? Look no further. (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/10/billionaires08_J-Joseph-Ricketts_4H9T.html)
All local connections, sure, but each of their impacts (except for the last guy) measures up to and beyond Steinbrenner's.
GODDAMMIT JUST TELL ME WHAT HE DID THE LAST 10 YEARS THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS HELLO
Quote from: Fork on July 19, 2010, 02:21:54 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 19, 2010, 01:36:29 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 19, 2010, 01:23:33 PM
Quote from: PenPho on July 19, 2010, 01:12:07 PM
Quote from: MAD on July 19, 2010, 01:02:14 PM
That hardly took any vision.
So little vision that no one else did it (well, at least) until he did?
Free agency was in its infancy. Steinbrenner just signed anyone who wanted to be a Yankee, with some good results (Reggie Jackson) and some bad ones (Don Gullett). Bill Veeck said at the time that Steinbrenner's biggest failure wasn't his overpaying for stardom, it was his overpaying for mediocrity.
It is also no mistake that the Yankees' best run (1996-2000) was due to a team largely assembled during his second ban from baseball.
What does that have to do with YES?
He didn't innovate there either. The whole team/network model was devised by Ted Turner.
That's a totally different model.
TBS was a failing station that he owned and he bought the Braves so that he'd have something to show on that piece of shit station. It was a desperation move (that, to his credit, worked out pretty well.)
Steinbrenner created a TV station so that he could have exclusive rights to broadcast something very profitable and then he could make all kinds of demands from the cable providers and keep all the profits and put them back into the team.
I'd type more, but this Big Stein dong hanging out of my mouth is getting in the way of my typing.
Edit: TBS may not have actually been a "piece of shit station" but the fact remains that he owned the station and then bought the team so that he'd have programming for the station, which is certainly not the YES Network model.
So Steinbrenner had more of an effect on his game's delivery than the game itself, via broadcast programming et.al. I'd say in this instance, he shares a pantheon with Roone Arledge and Eddie Einhorn as opposed to Al Davis, who had a more direct effect on the competition of his game itself.
The important thing is, you're still more wrong than a fleet-full of Chucks driving Yugos.