Early candidates
Sandberg
Trammel
Brenly
OMG Y DIDNYT THEY JUST HIRE GIARDI??!?!
We already have this thread. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7387.0) It's gonna hai.
Quote from: PenPho on July 20, 2010, 02:13:51 PM
Early candidates
Sandberg
Trammel
Brenly
OMG Y DIDNYT THEY JUST HIRE GIARDI??!?!
DPD. Fredi Gonzalez?
Quote from: Night Man on July 20, 2010, 02:15:05 PM
We already have this thread. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7387.0) It's gonna hai.
That thread looks like it tolerates a lot of bullshit.
Quote from: PenPho on July 20, 2010, 02:13:51 PM
Early candidates
Sandberg
Trammel Sandberg
Brenly Sandberg
OMG Y DIDNYT THEY JUST HIRE GIARDI??!?! Sandberg
Sandberg
Sandberg
Sandberg
Sandberg
Sandberg
Sandberg
Guh'd.
(http://www.ballen-photos.com/photos/images/maddon-joe-2-tbd.jpg)
Quote from: Night Man on July 20, 2010, 02:15:50 PM
Quote from: PenPho on July 20, 2010, 02:13:51 PM
Early candidates
Sandberg
Trammel
Brenly
OMG Y DIDNYT THEY JUST HIRE GIARDI??!?!
DPD. Fredi Gonzalez?
Think he's spoken for. (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/dailypitch/post/2010/06/fredi-gonzalez-getting-ringing-endorsement-to-replace-braves-bobby-cox-at-seasons-end/1)
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 20, 2010, 02:18:28 PM
(http://www.ballen-photos.com/photos/images/maddon-joe-2-tbd.jpg)
Ah, but that fails to take into account:
(http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose/Ryno.jpg)
Stop pretending like it won't be Ryne Sandberg.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 20, 2010, 02:18:28 PM
(http://www.ballen-photos.com/photos/images/maddon-joe-2-tbd.jpg)
Do you have some inside knowledge why Joe Maddon would want to leave a good job for this one?
Me
Quote from: Yeti on July 20, 2010, 02:22:17 PM
Me
Wow, I didn't know you posted here, Mr. Sandberg.
Quote from: PenPho on July 20, 2010, 02:21:08 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 20, 2010, 02:18:28 PM
(http://www.ballen-photos.com/photos/images/maddon-joe-2-tbd.jpg)
Do you have some inside knowledge why Joe Maddon would want to leave a good job for this one?
The Cubs could probably pay more at least.
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 20, 2010, 02:24:22 PM
Quote from: PenPho on July 20, 2010, 02:21:08 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 20, 2010, 02:18:28 PM
(http://www.ballen-photos.com/photos/images/maddon-joe-2-tbd.jpg)
Do you have some inside knowledge why Joe Maddon would want to leave a good job for this one?
The Cubs could probably pay more at least.
And Tampa's about to start losing players to free agency. Tampa's not going to be as good going forward.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 20, 2010, 02:29:58 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 20, 2010, 02:24:22 PM
Quote from: PenPho on July 20, 2010, 02:21:08 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 20, 2010, 02:18:28 PM
(http://www.ballen-photos.com/photos/images/maddon-joe-2-tbd.jpg)
Do you have some inside knowledge why Joe Maddon would want to leave a good job for this one?
The Cubs could probably pay more at least.
And Tampa's about to start losing players to free agency. Tampa's not going to be as good going forward.
As good as the Cubs?
They have very competent management, that puts them at significant point of advantage.
Plus Maddon is under contract through 2012.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 20, 2010, 02:29:58 PM
And Tampa's about to start losing players to free agency. Tampa's not going to be as good going forward.
Their farm system is absolutely loaded. Longoria is getting paid about $38,000 a year until 2016. They're still going to be really good.
I've heard Ozzie Guillen and Tona La Russa might be available!
Quote from: Eli on July 20, 2010, 02:39:38 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 20, 2010, 02:29:58 PM
And Tampa's about to start losing players to free agency. Tampa's not going to be as good going forward.
Their farm system is absolutely loaded. Longoria is getting paid about $38,000 a year until 2016. They're still going to be really good.
Chuck was wrong about something?
Quote from: Eli on July 20, 2010, 02:39:38 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 20, 2010, 02:29:58 PM
And Tampa's about to start losing players to free agency. Tampa's not going to be as good going forward.
Their farm system is absolutely loaded. Longoria is getting paid about $38,000 a year until 2016. They're still going to be really good.
Longoria has a ridiculously team-friendly contract.
Evan Longoria 3b6 years/17.5M (2008-13), plus 2014-16 club optionssigned extension with Tampa Bay 4/18/08
08:$0.5M
09:$0.55M
10:$0.95M
11:$2M
12:$4.5M
13:$6M
14:$7.5M club option ($3M buyout)
15:$11M club option
16:$11.5M club option
if Longoria otherwise would be arbitration-eligible
after 2010, 2011 salary increases to $2.5M
after 2011, buyout for 2014 option increases to $4M
club must decide by 11/2014 whether to exercise 2015-16 options
2016 option may increase to $14M based on rankings in MVP vote
award bonus: $50,000 for All Star selection
contract purchased by Tampa Bay 4/12/08
drafted 2006 (1-3) (Long Beach State)
$3M signing bonus
agent: Paul Cohen
ML service: 1.170
Quote from: Night Man on July 20, 2010, 02:52:00 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 20, 2010, 02:39:38 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 20, 2010, 02:29:58 PM
And Tampa's about to start losing players to free agency. Tampa's not going to be as good going forward.
Their farm system is absolutely loaded. Longoria is getting paid about $38,000 a year until 2016. They're still going to be really good.
Longoria has a ridiculously team-friendly contract.
Evan Longoria 3b
6 years/17.5M (2008-13), plus 2014-16 club options
signed extension with Tampa Bay 4/18/08
08:$0.5M
09:$0.55M
10:$0.95M
11:$2M
12:$4.5M
13:$6M
14:$7.5M club option ($3M buyout)
15:$11M club option
16:$11.5M club option
if Longoria otherwise would be arbitration-eligible
after 2010, 2011 salary increases to $2.5M
after 2011, buyout for 2014 option increases to $4M
club must decide by 11/2014 whether to exercise 2015-16 options
2016 option may increase to $14M based on rankings in MVP vote
award bonus: $50,000 for All Star selection
contract purchased by Tampa Bay 4/12/08
drafted 2006 (1-3) (Long Beach State)
$3M signing bonus
agent: Paul Cohen
ML service: 1.170
Paul Cohen should be fired. Also, if anyone needed an extra reason to say "NO" to Sandberg as manager, well look no further (http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2010/7/20/1578824/lou-piniella-to-retire-at-end-of)
QuoteLet me repeat my position: I'm glad that Lou was able to lead the Cubs to the playoffs in 2007 and 2008. The last two years have been tougher. And I believe Ryne Sandberg should be the Cubs' next manager.
Who wouldn't want to manage the most inefficient organization (http://blogs.forbes.com/sportsmoney/2010/07/assessing-mlbs-mostleast-efficient-teams/)in baseball?
I think you're overlooking the obvious choice for many of us. (http://hirejimessian.com/2010/07/20/time-to-fire-up-my-troops/)
I'm with this fella (http://www.georgehutchins.com).
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 20, 2010, 03:18:36 PM
I'm with this fella (http://www.georgehutchins.com).
I am fascinated by this website. Just fascinated.
Quote from: Indolent Reader on July 20, 2010, 03:40:47 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 20, 2010, 03:18:36 PM
I'm with this fella (http://www.georgehutchins.com).
I am fascinated by this website. Just fascinated.
QuoteGEORGE HUTCHINS INVITES ALL BLACK, WHITE, SPANISH, AND ASIAN U.S. VOTERS TO JOIN US !!
Genius.
WE NEED A LOCAL GUY WITH LOCAL MANAGING EXPERIENCE!
(http://www.wescoutathletes.com/images/Kittle.jpg)
Quote from: flannj on July 20, 2010, 03:57:15 PM
WE NEED A LOCAL GUY WITH LOCAL MANAGING EXPERIENCE!
(http://www.wescoutathletes.com/images/Kittle.jpg)
Also, retard strength.
Oh my God this thread.
Crane Kenney? We already know he GETS IT.
DPD. (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/dailypitch/post/2010/07/ryne-sandberg-joe-torre-tony-la-russa-projecting-lou-piniellas-successor-/1)
Ryne Sandberg
Joe Torre?
Tony La Russa?
Bobby Valentine?!?
Alan Trammell
Ted Simmons?
Other that the fact that Ryne Sandberg's getting the job, shouldn't Brenly be at least considered?
I'm considering him.
Quote from: PenPho on July 20, 2010, 05:34:12 PM
Other that the fact that Ryne Sandberg's getting the job, shouldn't Brenly be at least considered?
I'm considering him.
Nice to have Jim Hendry on our fringe board. So, JimPho, what's up with Samardzija's contract? And Soriano's?
Quote from: Bort on July 20, 2010, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 20, 2010, 02:18:28 PM
(http://www.ballen-photos.com/photos/images/maddon-joe-2-tbd.jpg)
Ah, but that fails to take into account:
(http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose/Ryno.jpg)
No, you fail to take in to account...
(http://imgur.com/DY917.jpg)
Quote from: ChuckD on July 20, 2010, 06:01:56 PM
Quote from: Bort on July 20, 2010, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 20, 2010, 02:18:28 PM
(http://www.ballen-photos.com/photos/images/maddon-joe-2-tbd.jpg)
Ah, but that fails to take into account:
(http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose/Ryno.jpg)
No, you fail to take in to account...
(http://imgur.com/DY917.jpg)
ROTFL?
DPD.
Pat Listach (http://therocket.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/07/listach_interested_in_cubs_job.html)?
Quote from: Canadouche on July 20, 2010, 07:38:13 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 20, 2010, 06:01:56 PM
Quote from: Bort on July 20, 2010, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 20, 2010, 02:18:28 PM
(http://www.ballen-photos.com/photos/images/maddon-joe-2-tbd.jpg)
Ah, but that fails to take into account:
(http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose/Ryno.jpg)
No, you fail to take in to account...
(http://imgur.com/DY917.jpg)
ROTFL?
Kevansized just for you so you don't feel left out on the joke.
(http://imgur.com/rQRQJ.jpg)
What is Lou doing with Robert Blagojevich here in this photo?
(http://chictrib.image2.trb.com/chinews/media/photo/2009-08/48557759.jpg)
Quote from: Night Man on July 20, 2010, 08:08:25 PM
DPD.
Pat Listach (http://therocket.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/07/listach_interested_in_cubs_job.html)?
QuoteWith Cubs manager Lou Piniella retiring after this season, Nationals third baseman Pat Listach declined to say if he was interested in the managerial job. But a person close to Listach said he would be interested in managing the Cubs.
Huh?
Quote from: ChuckD on July 20, 2010, 08:41:08 PM
Quote from: Night Man on July 20, 2010, 08:08:25 PM
DPD.
Pat Listach (http://therocket.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/07/listach_interested_in_cubs_job.html)?
QuoteWith Cubs manager Lou Piniella retiring after this season, Nationals third baseman Pat Listach declined to say if he was interested in the managerial job. But a person close to Listach said he would be interested in managing the Cubs.
Huh?
Sanjay Patel, who clerks at the Seven Eleven near my office, told me that he is interested in managing the Cubs.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 20, 2010, 08:13:30 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on July 20, 2010, 07:38:13 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 20, 2010, 06:01:56 PM
Quote from: Bort on July 20, 2010, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 20, 2010, 02:18:28 PM
(http://www.ballen-photos.com/photos/images/maddon-joe-2-tbd.jpg)
Ah, but that fails to take into account:
(http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose/Ryno.jpg)
No, you fail to take in to account...
(http://imgur.com/DY917.jpg)
ROTFL?
Kevansized just for you so you don't feel left out on the joke.
(http://imgur.com/rQRQJ.jpg)
No, I totally get it. You made an extremely subtle reference that, without context, makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Well played.
But regarding the revised photoshop, what's the deal with your fascination with cocks?
Quote from: Canadouche on July 20, 2010, 09:03:12 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 20, 2010, 08:13:30 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on July 20, 2010, 07:38:13 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 20, 2010, 06:01:56 PM
Quote from: Bort on July 20, 2010, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 20, 2010, 02:18:28 PM
(http://www.ballen-photos.com/photos/images/maddon-joe-2-tbd.jpg)
Ah, but that fails to take into account:
(http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose/Ryno.jpg)
No, you fail to take in to account...
(http://imgur.com/DY917.jpg)
ROTFL?
Kevansized just for you so you don't feel left out on the joke.
(http://imgur.com/rQRQJ.jpg)
No, I totally get it. You made an extremely subtle reference that, without context, makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Well played.
But regarding the revised photoshop, what's the deal with your fascination with cocks?
I'm fascinated by cocks because Aramis Ramirez likes to watch them fight. And Aramis is the balls and the truth right now.
(http://www.cubscast.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/aramissilueta.gif)
Quote from: Canadouche on July 20, 2010, 09:03:12 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 20, 2010, 08:13:30 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on July 20, 2010, 07:38:13 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 20, 2010, 06:01:56 PM
Quote from: Bort on July 20, 2010, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 20, 2010, 02:18:28 PM
(http://www.ballen-photos.com/photos/images/maddon-joe-2-tbd.jpg)
Ah, but that fails to take into account:
(http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose/Ryno.jpg)
No, you fail to take in to account...
(http://imgur.com/DY917.jpg)
ROTFL?
Kevansized just for you so you don't feel left out on the joke.
(http://imgur.com/rQRQJ.jpg)
No, I totally get it. You made an extremely subtle reference that, without context, makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Well played.
But regarding the revised photoshop, what's the deal with your fascination with cocks?
But I captioned it and everything!
Quote from: Brownie on July 20, 2010, 09:05:07 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on July 20, 2010, 09:03:12 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 20, 2010, 08:13:30 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on July 20, 2010, 07:38:13 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 20, 2010, 06:01:56 PM
Quote from: Bort on July 20, 2010, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 20, 2010, 02:18:28 PM
(http://www.ballen-photos.com/photos/images/maddon-joe-2-tbd.jpg)
Ah, but that fails to take into account:
(http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose/Ryno.jpg)
No, you fail to take in to account...
(http://imgur.com/DY917.jpg)
ROTFL?
Kevansized just for you so you don't feel left out on the joke.
(http://imgur.com/rQRQJ.jpg)
No, I totally get it. You made an extremely subtle reference that, without context, makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Well played.
But regarding the revised photoshop, what's the deal with your fascination with cocks?
I'm fascinated by cocks because Aramis Ramirez likes to watch them fight. And Aramis is the balls and the truth right now.
(http://www.cubscast.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/aramissilueta.gif)
ChuckD = Brownie?
Upon reflection, I'm a bit disappointed in ChuckD's use of the magic eraser tool. The jagged lines really take away from the win of that photoshop. ChuckD, the smudge tool is only a click away. WTF?
"Apex" in the corner made it for me.
Quote from: Bort on July 20, 2010, 09:19:50 PM
"Apex" in the corner made it for me.
TH.
I chuckled, then I scrolled some more, then I LOLed.
L-O-Led.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 20, 2010, 10:11:14 PM
Quote from: Bort on July 20, 2010, 09:19:50 PM
"Apex" in the corner made it for me.
TH.
I chuckled, then I scrolled some more, then I LOLed.
L-O-Led.
"Impersontation" with the hyphen under the nostril was inspired.
I don't get that ChuckD photoshop at all.
Putting my support in for LaRussa as manager.
I'd also like to kick myself in the nuts
God damn it, Yeti.
Wouldn't it be worth it to lure away LaRussa, if only because it would spark an incendiary reaction from the Cardinals' fan base?
Quote from: Canadouche on July 21, 2010, 09:01:55 AM
Wouldn't it be worth it to lure away LaRussa, if only because it would spark an incendiary reaction from the Cardinals' fan base?
I dunno if the Wrigleyville area is really a good place for a man with a [makes "drinky" gesture] problem like LaRussa.
Quote from: Bort on July 21, 2010, 09:16:17 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on July 21, 2010, 09:01:55 AM
Wouldn't it be worth it to lure away LaRussa, if only because it would spark an incendiary reaction from the Cardinals' fan base?
I dunno if the Wrigleyville area is really a good place for a man with a [makes "drinky" gesture] problem like LaRussa.
Occasionally, people overcome such problems to achieve great things.
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01561/airplane2_1561253i.jpg)
Quote from: Canadouche on July 21, 2010, 09:01:55 AM
Wouldn't it be worth it to lure away LaRussa, if only because it would spark an incendiary reaction from the Cardinals' fan base? Apex?
The most intense and irrational non-race or religion-based hatred mankind has ever known'd.
Quote from: Canadouche on July 21, 2010, 09:01:55 AM
Wouldn't it be worth it to lure away LaRussa, if only because it would spark an incendiary reaction from the Cardinals' fan base?
I don't know if there is enough room in the Cubs' clubhouse for the drugstore he travels with.
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 21, 2010, 11:41:26 AM
Quote from: MAD on July 21, 2010, 11:39:38 AM
Quote from: Bort on July 20, 2010, 09:19:50 PM
"Apex" Huard at the hot corner made it for me.
THI
Rag arm'd.
Sorry. I know I sucked tooworse.
Flubbing two plays within 17 feet of first base is far worse than any one thing I did last night, and I ain't defending how I played.
Great news (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/07/many-interested-in-managing-the-cubs.html), everyone.
QuoteRyne Sandberg told ESPN Radio that he is "ready" to manage the Cubs.
IT'S RYNO TYME!!!
yeah, just wait until GEORGE HUTCHINS goes on his RYNO HUNT!!!
I'd be OK with this:
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5398820
QuoteFormer Florida Marlins manager Fredi Gonzalez will be one of the candidates interviewed for the Chicago Cubs managerial job, according to a major league source.
Gonzalez, who was fired by the Marlins on June 24, has a long personal and professional relationship with Cubs general manager Jim Hendry stemming from the time they worked together with the Marlins.
I have a gut feeling that Hendry will conduct some kind of search in earnest, give guys like Sandberg and Brenly and whoever else a token interview and then have Tom Ricketts demand that he hire Sandberg. Hendry probably knows this, but what other choice does he have?
He's hardly the type to quit in a huff over being undermined by his boss, and a couple more years as GM gives him a chance to leave the Cubs when they're not in a world of hurt.
If Ricketts fired Hendry and brought in some new guy, that new guy would want to hire his own manager. I think some promise was made to Sandberg by one of the Ricketts, and that's why he's in Des Moines. I also think that if he's not the manager, he'll cut ties from the organization.
Quote from: Brownie on July 22, 2010, 09:41:07 AM
I have a gut feeling that Hendry will conduct some kind of search in earnest, give guys like Sandberg and Brenly and whoever else a token interview and then have Tom Ricketts demand that he hire Sandberg. Hendry probably knows this, but what other choice does he have?
He's hardly the type to quit in a huff over being undermined by his boss, and a couple more years as GM gives him a chance to leave the Cubs when they're not in a world of hurt.
If Ricketts fired Hendry and brought in some new guy, that new guy would want to hire his own manager. I think some promise was made to Sandberg by one of the Ricketts, and that's why he's in Des Moines. I also think that if he's not the manager, he'll cut ties from the organization.
He's been cuckolded by the Cubs - the fact that the Cubs sent one of their all-time greats to manage A ball, and he took it, shows he'll pretty much eat whatever shit the Cubs feel like putting on his plate.
Quote from: Brownie on July 22, 2010, 09:41:07 AM
I have a gut feeling that Hendry will conduct some kind of search in earnest, give guys like Sandberg and Brenly and whoever else a token interview and then have Tom Ricketts demand that he hire Sandberg. Hendry probably knows this, but what other choice does he have?
He's hardly the type to quit in a huff over being undermined by his boss, and a couple more years as GM gives him a chance to leave the Cubs when they're not in a world of hurt.
If Ricketts fired Hendry and brought in some new guy, that new guy would want to hire his own manager. I think some promise was made to Sandberg by one of the Ricketts, and that's why he's in Des Moines. I also think that if he's not the manager, he'll cut ties from the organization.
Agreed.
Unless they don't care about destroying their relationship with this generation's most popular Cub - who also happens to be a Hall of Famer - they really have no choice but to hire Sandberg whether he's up for the task or not. Hopefully he will be because it looks like he'll be the guy.
I'm really not sure how I feel about this. I hate to side with the meathead fanbase that only thinks RYNOOOOO WILL SAVE OUR CUBBIEEZZZ!!! but, when you stop and think about it, hiring him does make a certain amount of sense - and I can't believe I just typed that - from Ricketts' point of view.
If Ricketts is committed to building from within then hiring a guy who has managed at all levels of the system is probably the way to go. Sandberg's had three years working on the minor league side in spring training and has probably managed a number of prospects at more than one stop on the way up so he should have a pretty good idea how to manage the kids who are supposed to be on in Chicago in the near future.
Whether or not the Cubs should be committed to a youth movement is a completely separate discussion but if that's the way they're headed then an "organization" guy makes sense.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on July 22, 2010, 09:58:34 AM
I hate to side with the meathead fanbase that only thinks RYNOOOOO WILL SAVE OUR CUBBIEEZZZ!!! but, when you stop and think about it, hiring him does make a certain amount of sense - and I can't believe I just typed that - from Ricketts' point of view.
Just so long as that sense has nothing to do with winning and only about "getting it."
Quote from: Fork on July 22, 2010, 09:55:08 AM
Quote from: Brownie on July 22, 2010, 09:41:07 AM
I have a gut feeling that Hendry will conduct some kind of search in earnest, give guys like Sandberg and Brenly and whoever else a token interview and then have Tom Ricketts demand that he hire Sandberg. Hendry probably knows this, but what other choice does he have?
He's hardly the type to quit in a huff over being undermined by his boss, and a couple more years as GM gives him a chance to leave the Cubs when they're not in a world of hurt.
If Ricketts fired Hendry and brought in some new guy, that new guy would want to hire his own manager. I think some promise was made to Sandberg by one of the Ricketts, and that's why he's in Des Moines. I also think that if he's not the manager, he'll cut ties from the organization.
He's been cuckolded by the Cubs - the fact that the Cubs sent one of their all-time greats to manage A ball, and he took it, shows he'll pretty much eat whatever shit the Cubs feel like putting on his plate.
Unless, of course, he took the assignment to A ball with the expectation that they were prepping him for the major league club.
Which I think is what we all assume.
And in which case a snub would probably piss him off that much more.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 22, 2010, 10:11:45 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 22, 2010, 09:55:08 AM
Quote from: Brownie on July 22, 2010, 09:41:07 AM
I have a gut feeling that Hendry will conduct some kind of search in earnest, give guys like Sandberg and Brenly and whoever else a token interview and then have Tom Ricketts demand that he hire Sandberg. Hendry probably knows this, but what other choice does he have?
He's hardly the type to quit in a huff over being undermined by his boss, and a couple more years as GM gives him a chance to leave the Cubs when they're not in a world of hurt.
If Ricketts fired Hendry and brought in some new guy, that new guy would want to hire his own manager. I think some promise was made to Sandberg by one of the Ricketts, and that's why he's in Des Moines. I also think that if he's not the manager, he'll cut ties from the organization.
He's been cuckolded by the Cubs - the fact that the Cubs sent one of their all-time greats to manage A ball, and he took it, shows he'll pretty much eat whatever shit the Cubs feel like putting on his plate.
Unless, of course, he took the assignment to A ball with the expectation that they were prepping him for the major league club.
Which I think is what we all assume.
And in which case a snub would probably piss him off that much more.
A team sending an HOFer to A ball to manage is hardly standard practice.
Quote from: Eli on July 22, 2010, 09:20:17 AM
I'd be OK with this:
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5398820
QuoteFormer Florida Marlins manager Fredi Gonzalez will be one of the candidates interviewed for the Chicago Cubs managerial job, according to a major league source.
Gonzalez, who was fired by the Marlins on June 24, has a long personal and professional relationship with Cubs general manager Jim Hendry stemming from the time they worked together with the Marlins.
So, it's a given that Hendry's the general manager after the season? I'm for serial.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 22, 2010, 11:15:50 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 22, 2010, 09:20:17 AM
I'd be OK with this:
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5398820
QuoteFormer Florida Marlins manager Fredi Gonzalez will be one of the candidates interviewed for the Chicago Cubs managerial job, according to a major league source.
Gonzalez, who was fired by the Marlins on June 24, has a long personal and professional relationship with Cubs general manager Jim Hendry stemming from the time they worked together with the Marlins.
So, it's a given that Hendry's the general manager after the season? I'm for serial.
Heh
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 22, 2010, 11:15:50 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 22, 2010, 09:20:17 AM
I'd be OK with this:
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5398820
QuoteFormer Florida Marlins manager Fredi Gonzalez will be one of the candidates interviewed for the Chicago Cubs managerial job, according to a major league source.
Gonzalez, who was fired by the Marlins on June 24, has a long personal and professional relationship with Cubs general manager Jim Hendry stemming from the time they worked together with the Marlins.
So, it's a given that Hendry's the general manager after the season? I'm for serial.
Might not be the best move. But yeti thinks it's the right move.
Quote from: BH on July 22, 2010, 11:22:42 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 22, 2010, 11:15:50 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 22, 2010, 09:20:17 AM
I'd be OK with this:
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5398820
QuoteFormer Florida Marlins manager Fredi Gonzalez will be one of the candidates interviewed for the Chicago Cubs managerial job, according to a major league source.
Gonzalez, who was fired by the Marlins on June 24, has a long personal and professional relationship with Cubs general manager Jim Hendry stemming from the time they worked together with the Marlins.
So, it's a given that Hendry's the general manager after the season? I'm for serial.
Might not be the best move. But yeti thinks it's the right move.
Fuckin fuck fuck fuck.
Quote from: BH on July 22, 2010, 11:22:42 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 22, 2010, 11:15:50 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 22, 2010, 09:20:17 AM
I'd be OK with this:
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5398820
QuoteFormer Florida Marlins manager Fredi Gonzalez will be one of the candidates interviewed for the Chicago Cubs managerial job, according to a major league source.
Gonzalez, who was fired by the Marlins on June 24, has a long personal and professional relationship with Cubs general manager Jim Hendry stemming from the time they worked together with the Marlins.
So, it's a given that Hendry's the general manager after the season? I'm for serial.
Might not be the best move. But yeti thinks it's the right move.
Thanks PenFoe
Quote from: Fork on July 22, 2010, 10:17:33 AM
A team sending an HOFer to A ball to manage is hardly standard practice.
The Phillies did it to Mike Schmidt in hopes he'd say "fuck it" and quit and he did. The Cubs? Oh they're never that lucky.
Quote from: Andy on July 22, 2010, 11:59:27 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 22, 2010, 10:17:33 AM
A team sending an HOFer to A ball to manage is hardly standard practice.
The Phillies did it to Mike Schmidt in hopes he'd say "fuck it" and quit and he did. The Cubs? Oh they're never that lucky.
Bea Arthur wrote that Ed Lynch gave Billy Williams the same offer. Billy said no way, and here he is.
Quote from: Andy on July 22, 2010, 11:59:27 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 22, 2010, 10:17:33 AM
A team sending an HOFer to A ball to manage is hardly standard practice.
The Phillies did it to Mike Schmidt in hopes he'd say "fuck it" and quit and he did. The Cubs? Oh they're never that lucky.
I should have rephrased to "a HOFer taking an A Ball managing assignment"...
Quote from: Eli on July 22, 2010, 09:20:17 AM
I'd be OK with this:
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5398820
QuoteFormer Florida Marlins manager Fredi Gonzalez will be one of the candidates interviewed for the Chicago Cubs managerial job, according to a major league source.
Gonzalez, who was fired by the Marlins on June 24, has a long personal and professional relationship with Cubs general manager Jim Hendry stemming from the time they worked together with the Marlins.
I'm more than OK with Gonzalez, not OK with Hendry.
Quote from: Andy on July 22, 2010, 11:59:27 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 22, 2010, 10:17:33 AM
A team sending an HOFer to A ball to manage is hardly standard practice.
The Phillies did it to Mike Schmidt in hopes he'd say "fuck it" and quit and he did. The Cubs? Oh they're never that lucky.
If the Cubs wanted to hire a manager who had a great career at Wrigley, then Schmidt is their man.
Quote from: Fork on July 22, 2010, 12:02:01 PM
Quote from: Andy on July 22, 2010, 11:59:27 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 22, 2010, 10:17:33 AM
A team sending an HOFer to A ball to manage is hardly standard practice.
The Phillies did it to Mike Schmidt in hopes he'd say "fuck it" and quit and he did. The Cubs? Oh they're never that lucky.
I should have rephrased to "a HOFer taking an A Ball managing assignment"...
Schmidt did take it, and after a year he decided he'd rather be golfing.
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"Think of all the wine and roids I could buy with a big market team...."
QuoteCHICAGO -- Bobby Valentine said Sunday he's interested in taking over the Cubs after Lou Piniella retires at the end of this season.
Oh God no.
Bobby V spent three-and-a-half hours tonight interviewing for the job on ESPN. I don't think I've ever heard a national p-b-p guy spend an entire game analyzing only one team.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on July 25, 2010, 11:07:52 PM
Bobby V spent three-and-a-half hours tonight interviewing for the job on ESPN. I don't think I've ever heard a national p-b-p guy spend an entire game analyzing only one team.
Is he normally in the booth for ESPN's Sunday night games? I always thought it was Jon Miller and that other retard Joe Morgan on Sunday nights.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 26, 2010, 07:35:17 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on July 25, 2010, 11:07:52 PM
Bobby V spent three-and-a-half hours tonight interviewing for the job on ESPN. I don't think I've ever heard a national p-b-p guy spend an entire game analyzing only one team.
Is he normally in the booth for ESPN's Sunday night games? I always thought it was Jon Miller and that other retard Joe Morgan on Sunday nights.
Jon Miller was in Cooperstown to be inducted into the Hall of Fame yesterday. Joe Morgan was in Cooperstown building a physical barricade to keep other 2nd basemen from invading his turf. So, we actually got decent announcing yesterday for the game, although I believe that Bobby V's Cubs:Cardinals comment rate of approximately 1.33 was much higher than Morgan's 0.7, or the ostensible average of 1.0.
Quote from: morpheus on July 26, 2010, 08:51:47 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 26, 2010, 07:35:17 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on July 25, 2010, 11:07:52 PM
Bobby V spent three-and-a-half hours tonight interviewing for the job on ESPN. I don't think I've ever heard a national p-b-p guy spend an entire game analyzing only one team.
Is he normally in the booth for ESPN's Sunday night games? I always thought it was Jon Miller and that other retard Joe Morgan on Sunday nights.
Jon Miller was in Cooperstown to be inducted into the Hall of Fame yesterday. Joe Morgan was in Cooperstown building a physical barricade to keep other 2nd basemen from invading his turf. So, we actually got decent announcing yesterday for the game, although I believe that Bobby V's Cubs:Cardinals comment rate of approximately 1.33 was much higher than Morgan's 0.7, or the ostensible average of 1.0.
Fuck Jon Miller with a giant statue of Barry Bonds in every hole in his fat, patethic whale corpse of a body. He makes Joe Buck look like Jack Buck. Fuck him till he's dead.
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 26, 2010, 09:00:33 AM
Quote from: morpheus on July 26, 2010, 08:51:47 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 26, 2010, 07:35:17 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on July 25, 2010, 11:07:52 PM
Bobby V spent three-and-a-half hours tonight interviewing for the job on ESPN. I don't think I've ever heard a national p-b-p guy spend an entire game analyzing only one team.
Is he normally in the booth for ESPN's Sunday night games? I always thought it was Jon Miller and that other retard Joe Morgan on Sunday nights.
Jon Miller was in Cooperstown to be inducted into the Hall of Fame yesterday. Joe Morgan was in Cooperstown building a physical barricade to keep other 2nd basemen from invading his turf. So, we actually got decent announcing yesterday for the game, although I believe that Bobby V's Cubs:Cardinals comment rate of approximately 1.33 was much higher than Morgan's 0.7, or the ostensible average of 1.0.
Fuck Jon Miller with a giant statue of Barry Bonds in every hole in his fat, patethic whale corpse of a body. He makes Joe Buck look like Jack Buck. Fuck him till he's dead.
I'll push.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on July 25, 2010, 11:07:52 PM
Bobby V spent three-and-a-half hours tonight interviewing for the job on ESPN. I don't think I've ever heard a national p-b-p guy spend an entire game analyzing only one team.
He did spend a significant amount of time discussing Jon Jay's swing as well.
Say what you will about Valentine (I'm neutral on him as a managerial candidate for the Cubs)...I think he's an interesting guy to listen to. He has an opinion, it's not the same recycled shit that most other color guys provide. I thought that broadcast last night was better than the last two Sunday nights with Miller and Morgan out of the way.
Then again, I like Joe Buck. So I'm prepared to again sit by myself in the corner, drinking non-alcoholic beer, getting turned down by hairy tanged fat broads.
Quote from: morpheus on July 26, 2010, 08:51:47 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 26, 2010, 07:35:17 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on July 25, 2010, 11:07:52 PM
Bobby V spent three-and-a-half hours tonight interviewing for the job on ESPN. I don't think I've ever heard a national p-b-p guy spend an entire game analyzing only one team.
Is he normally in the booth for ESPN's Sunday night games? I always thought it was Jon Miller and that other retard Joe Morgan on Sunday nights.
Jon Miller was in Cooperstown to be inducted into the Hall of Fame yesterday. Joe Morgan was in Cooperstown giving the GREATEST INTRODUCTION IN BASEBALL HISTORYbuilding a physical barricade to keep other 2nd basemen from invading his turf. So, we actually got decent announcing yesterday for the game, although I believe that Bobby V's Cubs:Cardinals comment rate of approximately 1.33 was much higher than Morgan's 0.7, or the ostensible average of 1.0.
Joe Morgan'ed
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on July 26, 2010, 10:34:19 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on July 25, 2010, 11:07:52 PM
Bobby V spent three-and-a-half hours tonight interviewing for the job on ESPN. I don't think I've ever heard a national p-b-p guy spend an entire game analyzing only one team.
He did spend a significant amount of time discussing Jon Jay's swing as well.
Say what you will about Valentine (I'm neutral on him as a managerial candidate for the Cubs)...I think he's an interesting guy to listen to. He has an opinion, it's not the same recycled shit that most other color guys provide. I thought that broadcast last night was better than the last two Sunday nights with Miller and Morgan out of the way.
Then again, I like Joe Buck. So I'm prepared to again sit by myself in the corner, drinking non-alcoholic beer, getting turned down by hairy tanged fat broads.
I thought that was a great crew last night as well. I didn't even notice that Miller wasn't there.
I was impressed with Valentine as a
pbp color guy. First time I've heard him. I know he talked about the Cards but it just seemed like he spent way too much time critiquing the Cub players. More than you would expect from a national guy who only sees a team once or twice a year.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on July 26, 2010, 11:19:04 AM
I was impressed with Valentine as a pbp guy.
Wait. You mean "color" guy, right?
Quote from: Armchair_QB on July 26, 2010, 11:19:04 AM
Quote from: Lance Dicksons Arm on July 26, 2010, 10:34:19 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on July 25, 2010, 11:07:52 PM
Bobby V spent three-and-a-half hours tonight interviewing for the job on ESPN. I don't think I've ever heard a national p-b-p guy spend an entire game analyzing only one team.
He did spend a significant amount of time discussing Jon Jay's swing as well.
Say what you will about Valentine (I'm neutral on him as a managerial candidate for the Cubs)...I think he's an interesting guy to listen to. He has an opinion, it's not the same recycled shit that most other color guys provide. I thought that broadcast last night was better than the last two Sunday nights with Miller and Morgan out of the way.
Then again, I like Joe Buck. So I'm prepared to again sit by myself in the corner, drinking non-alcoholic beer, getting turned down by hairy tanged fat broads.
I thought that was a great crew last night as well. I didn't even notice that Miller wasn't there.
I was impressed with Valentine as a pbp guy. First time I've heard him. I know he talked about the Cards but it just seemed like he spent way too much time critiquing the Cub players. More than you would expect from a national guy who only sees a team once or twice a year.
I only heard extra innings from that ESPN team. Pat and Ron talked me home from Indy, and they were great. What I heard from Valentine et al. was kind of an unfunny clusterfuck. Beat the shit out of Miller/Morgan though.
Quote from: MAD on July 26, 2010, 11:22:30 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on July 26, 2010, 11:19:04 AM
I was impressed with Valentine as a pbp guy.
Wait. You mean "color" guy, right?
He can't do color quite like ole Joe.
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 26, 2010, 12:03:24 PM
Quote from: Yeti on July 26, 2010, 11:57:26 AM
Quote from: MAD on July 26, 2010, 11:22:30 AM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on July 26, 2010, 11:19:04 AM
I was impressed with Valentine as a pbp guy.
Wait. You mean "color" guy, right?
He can't do color quite like ole Joe.
8-year-old joke.
You didn't think that would be a perfect fit for me? My girlfriend texted it to me with this phone (http://www.ecrater.com/p/5785070/kids-pink-cellphone-simple-and-safe)
First up...Eric Wedge. (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5501243&campaign=rss&source=MLBHeadlines)
Quote
Former Cleveland Indians manager Eric Wedge had a face-to-face interview with Cubs general manager Jim Hendry on Thursday in Cleveland, as Hendry searches for a replacement for retired manager Lou Piniella. Wedge managed the Indians from 2003-09, winning the American League Manager of the Year Award in 2007, when he guided the Indians to the ALCS, only to lose to the Boston Red Sox after going up 3-1. Wedge, 42, won over 500 games with the Indians, including a first-place finish in 2007 and finishing second in 2005 behind the world champion Chicago White Sox.
Quote from: PenPho on August 26, 2010, 06:37:21 PM
First up...Eric Wedge. (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5501243&campaign=rss&source=MLBHeadlines)
Quote
Former Cleveland Indians manager Eric Wedge had a face-to-face interview with Cubs general manager Jim Hendry on Thursday in Cleveland, as Hendry searches for a replacement for retired manager Lou Piniella. Wedge managed the Indians from 2003-09, winning the American League Manager of the Year Award in 2007, when he guided the Indians to the ALCS, only to lose to the Boston Red Sox after going up 3-1. Wedge, 42, won over 500 games with the Indians, including a first-place finish in 2007 and finishing second in 2005 behind the world champion Chicago White Sox.
Intrepid Reader: Yeti
I don't know about you guys, but anytime a GM interviews managerial candidates one-on-one, I take it as a sure sign he's about to get fired.
Quote from: PenPho on August 26, 2010, 06:37:21 PM
First up...Eric Wedge. (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5501243&campaign=rss&source=MLBHeadlines)
Quote
Former Cleveland Indians manager Eric Wedge had a face-to-face interview with Cubs general manager Jim Hendry on Thursday in Cleveland, as Hendry searches for a replacement for retired manager Lou Piniella. Wedge managed the Indians from 2003-09, winning the American League Manager of the Year Award in 2007, when he guided the Indians to the ALCS, only to lose to the Boston Red Sox after going up 3-1. Wedge, 42, won over 500 games with the Indians, including a first-place finish in 2007 and finishing second in 2005 behind the world champion Chicago White Sox.
Wedge GETS IT.
Quote from: R-V on August 26, 2010, 08:32:15 PM
Quote from: PenPho on August 26, 2010, 06:37:21 PM
First up...Eric Wedge. (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5501243&campaign=rss&source=MLBHeadlines)
Quote
Former Cleveland Indians manager Eric Wedge had a face-to-face interview with Cubs general manager Jim Hendry on Thursday in Cleveland, as Hendry searches for a replacement for retired manager Lou Piniella. Wedge managed the Indians from 2003-09, winning the American League Manager of the Year Award in 2007, when he guided the Indians to the ALCS, only to lose to the Boston Red Sox after going up 3-1. Wedge, 42, won over 500 games with the Indians, including a first-place finish in 2007 and finishing second in 2005 behind the world champion Chicago White Sox.
Intrepid Reader: Yeti
I don't know about you guys, but anytime a GM interviews managerial candidates one-on-one, I take it as a sure sign he's about to get fired.
Fo shizzle.
They could do a lot worse than Wedge. Like Ryne Sandberg, for instance.
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:06:22 AM
They could do a lot worse than Wedge. Like Ryne Sandberg, for instance.
Yeah, Wedge is a good candidate. It is just troubling that the GM-who-should-be-fired is the one doing the interviewing.
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:06:22 AM
They could do a lot worse than Wedge. Like Ryne Sandberg, for instance.
That's just dumb. A few years back, there was a guy named Mike Murphy calling the Twins new manager "Gardenvariety" because MacPhail was going to hire him on the cheap. Instead, we got Don Baylor.
I wouldn't hire Sandberg and I hope the Cubs don't. But that's only because Sandberg's ability is unknown. We don't know if he'll be better or worse than Wedge.
:::UPDATE:::
Wow. Did you know that before Wedge took the Injuns job he was their A manager, then their AA manager, then their AAA manager?
What a fucken pathetic track to become a manager at the major league level.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 27, 2010, 09:09:46 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:06:22 AM
They could do a lot worse than Wedge. Like Ryne Sandberg, for instance.
That's just dumb. A few years back, there was a guy named Mike Murphy calling the Twins new manager "Gardenvariety" because MacPhail was going to hire him on the cheap. Instead, we got Don Baylor.
I wouldn't hire Sandberg and I hope the Cubs don't. But that's only because Sandberg's ability is unknown. We don't know if he'll be better or worse than Wedge.
:::UPDATE:::
Wow. Did you know that before Wedge took the Injuns job he was their A manager, then their AA manager, then their AAA manager?
What a fucken pathetic track to become a manager at the major league level.
What'd you smoke this morning?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 27, 2010, 09:09:46 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:06:22 AM
They could do a lot worse than Wedge. Like Ryne Sandberg, for instance.
That's just dumb. A few years back, there was a guy named Mike Murphy calling the Twins new manager "Gardenvariety" because MacPhail was going to hire him on the cheap. Instead, we got Don Baylor.
I wouldn't hire Sandberg and I hope the Cubs don't. But that's only because Sandberg's ability is unknown. We don't know if he'll be better or worse than Wedge.
:::UPDATE:::
Wow. Did you know that before Wedge took the Injuns job he was their A manager, then their AA manager, then their AAA manager?
What a fucken pathetic track to become a manager at the major league level.
Teammate fucked his wife, and he didn't bust heads open in a room full of baseball bats.
Sounds like a guy who could clamp down a clubhouse to me.
Quote from: Slaky on August 27, 2010, 09:13:37 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 27, 2010, 09:09:46 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:06:22 AM
They could do a lot worse than Wedge. Like Ryne Sandberg, for instance.
That's just dumb. A few years back, there was a guy named Mike Murphy calling the Twins new manager "Gardenvariety" because MacPhail was going to hire him on the cheap. Instead, we got Don Baylor.
I wouldn't hire Sandberg and I hope the Cubs don't. But that's only because Sandberg's ability is unknown. We don't know if he'll be better or worse than Wedge.
:::UPDATE:::
Wow. Did you know that before Wedge took the Injuns job he was their A manager, then their AA manager, then their AAA manager?
What a fucken pathetic track to become a manager at the major league level.
What'd you smoke this morning?
And can I have some?
Quote from: R-V on August 27, 2010, 09:09:24 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:06:22 AM
They could do a lot worse than Wedge. Like Ryne Sandberg, for instance.
Yeah, Wedge is a good candidate. It is just troubling that the GM-who-should-be-fired is the one doing the interviewing.
This.
I don't think the differences between Wedge, Girardi, Sandberg, Quade, or whomever is going to mean much given the shitty team one of them could wind up managing.
Quote from: R-V on August 27, 2010, 09:09:24 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:06:22 AM
They could do a lot worse than Wedge. Like Ryne Sandberg, for instance.
Yeah, Wedge is a good candidate. It is just troubling that the GM-who-should-be-fired is the one doing the interviewing.
I never said Hendry was going to get fired
/John Kerry
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 27, 2010, 09:09:46 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:06:22 AM
They could do a lot worse than Wedge. Like Ryne Sandberg, for instance.
That's just dumb. A few years back, there was a guy named Mike Murphy calling the Twins new manager "Gardenvariety" because MacPhail was going to hire him on the cheap. Instead, we got Don Baylor.
I wouldn't hire Sandberg and I hope the Cubs don't. But that's only because Sandberg's ability is unknown. We don't know if he'll be better or worse than Wedge.
:::UPDATE:::
Wow. Did you know that before Wedge took the Injuns job he was their A manager, then their AA manager, then their AAA manager?
What a fucken pathetic track to become a manager at the major league level.
I've read this three times and have no idea what your point is.
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:57:53 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 27, 2010, 09:09:46 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:06:22 AM
They could do a lot worse than Wedge. Like Ryne Sandberg, for instance.
That's just dumb. A few years back, there was a guy named Mike Murphy calling the Twins new manager "Gardenvariety" because MacPhail was going to hire him on the cheap. Instead, we got Don Baylor.
I wouldn't hire Sandberg and I hope the Cubs don't. But that's only because Sandberg's ability is unknown. We don't know if he'll be better or worse than Wedge.
:::UPDATE:::
Wow. Did you know that before Wedge took the Injuns job he was their A manager, then their AA manager, then their AAA manager?
What a fucken pathetic track to become a manager at the major league level.
I've read this three times and have no idea what your point is.
That explains a lot.
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:57:53 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 27, 2010, 09:09:46 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:06:22 AM
They could do a lot worse than Wedge. Like Ryne Sandberg, for instance.
That's just dumb. A few years back, there was a guy named Mike Murphy calling the Twins new manager "Gardenvariety" because MacPhail was going to hire him on the cheap. Instead, we got Don Baylor.
I wouldn't hire Sandberg and I hope the Cubs don't. But that's only because Sandberg's ability is unknown. We don't know if he'll be better or worse than Wedge.
:::UPDATE:::
Wow. Did you know that before Wedge took the Injuns job he was their A manager, then their AA manager, then their AAA manager?
What a fucken pathetic track to become a manager at the major league level.
I've read this three times and have no idea what your point is.
I only read it once. I don't know how you mangaed to take two more trips through this dog patch.
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:57:53 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 27, 2010, 09:09:46 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:06:22 AM
They could do a lot worse than Wedge. Like Ryne Sandberg, for instance.
That's just dumb. A few years back, there was a guy named Mike Murphy calling the Twins new manager "Gardenvariety" because MacPhail was going to hire him on the cheap. Instead, we got Don Baylor.
I wouldn't hire Sandberg and I hope the Cubs don't. But that's only because Sandberg's ability is unknown. We don't know if he'll be better or worse than Wedge.
:::UPDATE:::
Wow. Did you know that before Wedge took the Injuns job he was their A manager, then their AA manager, then their AAA manager?
What a fucken pathetic track to become a manager at the major league level.
I've read this three times and have no idea what your point is.
I think he point was that Sandberg and Wedge may be the same guy? I dunno.
Quote from: Yeti on August 27, 2010, 10:17:08 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:57:53 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 27, 2010, 09:09:46 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:06:22 AM
They could do a lot worse than Wedge. Like Ryne Sandberg, for instance.
That's just dumb. A few years back, there was a guy named Mike Murphy calling the Twins new manager "Gardenvariety" because MacPhail was going to hire him on the cheap. Instead, we got Don Baylor.
I wouldn't hire Sandberg and I hope the Cubs don't. But that's only because Sandberg's ability is unknown. We don't know if he'll be better or worse than Wedge.
:::UPDATE:::
Wow. Did you know that before Wedge took the Injuns job he was their A manager, then their AA manager, then their AAA manager?
What a fucken pathetic track to become a manager at the major league level.
I've read this three times and have no idea what your point is.
I think he point was that Sandberg and Wedge may be the same guy? I dunno.
IT MEANS HE GETS RESULTS, YOU STUPID CHIEF!
Quote from: Yeti on August 27, 2010, 10:17:08 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:57:53 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 27, 2010, 09:09:46 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:06:22 AM
They could do a lot worse than Wedge. Like Ryne Sandberg, for instance.
That's just dumb. A few years back, there was a guy named Mike Murphy calling the Twins new manager "Gardenvariety" because MacPhail was going to hire him on the cheap. Instead, we got Don Baylor.
I wouldn't hire Sandberg and I hope the Cubs don't. But that's only because Sandberg's ability is unknown. We don't know if he'll be better or worse than Wedge.
:::UPDATE:::
Wow. Did you know that before Wedge took the Injuns job he was their A manager, then their AA manager, then their AAA manager?
What a fucken pathetic track to become a manager at the major league level.
I've read this three times and have no idea what your point is.
I think he point was that Sandberg and Wedge may be the same guy? I dunno.
Like literally the same guy? That's sketchy.
Quote from: Bort on August 27, 2010, 10:19:09 AM
Quote from: Yeti on August 27, 2010, 10:17:08 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:57:53 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 27, 2010, 09:09:46 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:06:22 AM
They could do a lot worse than Wedge. Like Ryne Sandberg, for instance.
That's just dumb. A few years back, there was a guy named Mike Murphy calling the Twins new manager "Gardenvariety" because MacPhail was going to hire him on the cheap. Instead, we got Don Baylor.
I wouldn't hire Sandberg and I hope the Cubs don't. But that's only because Sandberg's ability is unknown. We don't know if he'll be better or worse than Wedge.
:::UPDATE:::
Wow. Did you know that before Wedge took the Injuns job he was their A manager, then their AA manager, then their AAA manager?
What a fucken pathetic track to become a manager at the major league level.
I've read this three times and have no idea what your point is.
I think he point was that Sandberg and Wedge may be the same guy? I dunno.
IT MEANS HE GETS RESULTS, YOU STUPID CHIEF!
Bort, sitdown.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 27, 2010, 10:03:16 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:57:53 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 27, 2010, 09:09:46 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:06:22 AM
They could do a lot worse than Wedge. Like Ryne Sandberg, for instance.
That's just dumb. A few years back, there was a guy named Mike Murphy calling the Twins new manager "Gardenvariety" because MacPhail was going to hire him on the cheap. Instead, we got Don Baylor.
I wouldn't hire Sandberg and I hope the Cubs don't. But that's only because Sandberg's ability is unknown. We don't know if he'll be better or worse than Wedge.
:::UPDATE:::
Wow. Did you know that before Wedge took the Injuns job he was their A manager, then their AA manager, then their AAA manager?
What a fucken pathetic track to become a manager at the major league level.
I've read this three times and have no idea what your point is.
That explains a lot.
Please share an example of at least one thing that you think that explains.
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 27, 2010, 10:19:28 AM
Quote from: Yeti on August 27, 2010, 10:17:08 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:57:53 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 27, 2010, 09:09:46 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:06:22 AM
They could do a lot worse than Wedge. Like Ryne Sandberg, for instance.
That's just dumb. A few years back, there was a guy named Mike Murphy calling the Twins new manager "Gardenvariety" because MacPhail was going to hire him on the cheap. Instead, we got Don Baylor.
I wouldn't hire Sandberg and I hope the Cubs don't. But that's only because Sandberg's ability is unknown. We don't know if he'll be better or worse than Wedge.
:::UPDATE:::
Wow. Did you know that before Wedge took the Injuns job he was their A manager, then their AA manager, then their AAA manager?
What a fucken pathetic track to become a manager at the major league level.
I've read this three times and have no idea what your point is.
I think he point was that Sandberg and Wedge may be the same guy? I dunno.
Like literally the same guy? That's sketchy.
Have you ever seen them in the same room together? It's possible.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on August 27, 2010, 12:30:20 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 27, 2010, 10:03:16 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:57:53 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 27, 2010, 09:09:46 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:06:22 AM
They could do a lot worse than Wedge. Like Ryne Sandberg, for instance.
That's just dumb. A few years back, there was a guy named Mike Murphy calling the Twins new manager "Gardenvariety" because MacPhail was going to hire him on the cheap. Instead, we got Don Baylor.
I wouldn't hire Sandberg and I hope the Cubs don't. But that's only because Sandberg's ability is unknown. We don't know if he'll be better or worse than Wedge.
:::UPDATE:::
Wow. Did you know that before Wedge took the Injuns job he was their A manager, then their AA manager, then their AAA manager?
What a fucken pathetic track to become a manager at the major league level.
I've read this three times and have no idea what your point is.
That explains a lot.
Please share an example of at least one thing that you think that explains.
Chuck thinks I'm stupid, I guess.
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 01:03:07 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on August 27, 2010, 12:30:20 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 27, 2010, 10:03:16 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:57:53 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 27, 2010, 09:09:46 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:06:22 AM
They could do a lot worse than Wedge. Like Ryne Sandberg, for instance.
That's just dumb. A few years back, there was a guy named Mike Murphy calling the Twins new manager "Gardenvariety" because MacPhail was going to hire him on the cheap. Instead, we got Don Baylor.
I wouldn't hire Sandberg and I hope the Cubs don't. But that's only because Sandberg's ability is unknown. We don't know if he'll be better or worse than Wedge.
:::UPDATE:::
Wow. Did you know that before Wedge took the Injuns job he was their A manager, then their AA manager, then their AAA manager?
What a fucken pathetic track to become a manager at the major league level.
I've read this three times and have no idea what your point is.
That explains a lot.
Please share an example of at least one thing that you think that explains.
Chuck thinks I'm stupid, I guess.
You could do a lot worse.
Quote from: Yeti on August 27, 2010, 10:17:08 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:57:53 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 27, 2010, 09:09:46 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:06:22 AM
They could do a lot worse than Wedge. Like Ryne Sandberg, for instance.
That's just dumb. A few years back, there was a guy named Mike Murphy calling the Twins new manager "Gardenvariety" because MacPhail was going to hire him on the cheap. Instead, we got Don Baylor.
I wouldn't hire Sandberg and I hope the Cubs don't. But that's only because Sandberg's ability is unknown. We don't know if he'll be better or worse than Wedge.
:::UPDATE:::
Wow. Did you know that before Wedge took the Injuns job he was their A manager, then their AA manager, then their AAA manager?
What a fucken pathetic track to become a manager at the major league level.
I've read this three times and have no idea what your point is.
I think he point was that Sandberg and Wedge may be the same guy? I dunno.
No, I think that he was pointing out that this was the perfect illustration of the Peter Principle.
Quote from: CBStew on August 27, 2010, 01:15:58 PM
Quote from: Yeti on August 27, 2010, 10:17:08 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:57:53 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 27, 2010, 09:09:46 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:06:22 AM
They could do a lot worse than Wedge. Like Ryne Sandberg, for instance.
That's just dumb. A few years back, there was a guy named Mike Murphy calling the Twins new manager "Gardenvariety" because MacPhail was going to hire him on the cheap. Instead, we got Don Baylor.
I wouldn't hire Sandberg and I hope the Cubs don't. But that's only because Sandberg's ability is unknown. We don't know if he'll be better or worse than Wedge.
:::UPDATE:::
Wow. Did you know that before Wedge took the Injuns job he was their A manager, then their AA manager, then their AAA manager?
What a fucken pathetic track to become a manager at the major league level.
I've read this three times and have no idea what your point is.
I think he point was that Sandberg and Wedge may be the same guy? I dunno.
No, I think that he was pointing out that this was the perfect illustration of the Peter Principle.
Peter Principle
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For the BBC sitcom, see The Peter Principle (TV series).
The Peter Principle is the principle that "in a hierarchy every employee tends to rise to their level of incompetence".
It was formulated by Dr. Laurence J. Peter and Raymond Hull in their 1969 book The Peter Principle, a humorous treatise which also introduced the "salutary science of hierarchiology", "inadvertently founded" by Peter. It holds that in a hierarchy, members are promoted so long as they work competently. Sooner or later they are promoted to a position at which they are no longer competent (their "level of incompetence"), and there they remain, being unable to earn further promotions. This principle can be modelled and has theoretical validity.[1] Peter's Corollary states that "in time, every post tends to be occupied by an employee who is incompetent to carry out their duties" and adds that "work is accomplished by those employees who have not yet reached their level of incompetence".
Quote from: CBStew on August 27, 2010, 01:19:11 PM
Quote from: CBStew on August 27, 2010, 01:15:58 PM
Quote from: Yeti on August 27, 2010, 10:17:08 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:57:53 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 27, 2010, 09:09:46 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2010, 09:06:22 AM
They could do a lot worse than Wedge. Like Ryne Sandberg, for instance.
That's just dumb. A few years back, there was a guy named Mike Murphy calling the Twins new manager "Gardenvariety" because MacPhail was going to hire him on the cheap. Instead, we got Don Baylor.
I wouldn't hire Sandberg and I hope the Cubs don't. But that's only because Sandberg's ability is unknown. We don't know if he'll be better or worse than Wedge.
:::UPDATE:::
Wow. Did you know that before Wedge took the Injuns job he was their A manager, then their AA manager, then their AAA manager?
What a fucken pathetic track to become a manager at the major league level.
I've read this three times and have no idea what your point is.
I think he point was that Sandberg and Wedge may be the same guy? I dunno.
No, I think that he was pointing out that this was the perfect illustration of the Peter Principle.
Peter Principle
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search
For the BBC sitcom, see The Peter Principle (TV series).
The Peter Principle is the principle that "in a hierarchy every employee tends to rise to their level of incompetence".
It was formulated by Dr. Laurence J. Peter and Raymond Hull in their 1969 book The Peter Principle, a humorous treatise which also introduced the "salutary science of hierarchiology", "inadvertently founded" by Peter. It holds that in a hierarchy, members are promoted so long as they work competently. Sooner or later they are promoted to a position at which they are no longer competent (their "level of incompetence"), and there they remain, being unable to earn further promotions. This principle can be modelled and has theoretical validity.[1] Peter's Corollary states that "in time, every post tends to be occupied by an employee who is incompetent to carry out their duties" and adds that "work is accomplished by those employees who have not yet reached their level of incompetence".
CBHStew
This (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/columns/story?id=5505478) doesn't really say anything about the managerial search. It's great evidence for the statement, "Jon Greenberg is a crappy writer", though.
Quote from: Night Man on August 29, 2010, 10:46:50 PM
This (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/columns/story?id=5505478) doesn't really say anything about the managerial search. It's great evidence for the statement, "Jon Greenberg is a crappy writer", though.
Thanks for the link then?
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 29, 2010, 11:20:33 PM
Quote from: Night Man on August 29, 2010, 10:46:50 PM
This (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/columns/story?id=5505478) doesn't really say anything about the managerial search. It's great evidence for the statement, "Jon Greenberg is a crappy writer", though.
Thanks for the link then?
This site is one of the greatest places for mocking crappiness in the important field of Chicago sports on the internet. Show some respect.
The Hawk didn't really slather his good buddy Ryno with effusive praise, did he?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0831-cubs-bits--20100830,0,3889520.story
Quote"I'm still kind of amazed that he wants to do it at this level," Dawson said. "It's different at the minor-league level when you're doing a little bit more evaluating and you're working with the kids and you're trying to get them to the next level. Here it's egos, attitudes, business and you're under the microscope a little bit more. Ryno, I never envisioned that as a player. He was a little bit more laid-back, quiet ...
"Maybe there's a different animal now that surfaced. But I wish him well. Anyone who wants to take that on, who wants that challenge, I really wish him the best. I think he'd do a good job at it. He's respected in that manner. He played the game the way he was supposed to play the game. He knows how to win the respect of his peers, of the players he'd be above.
"So I think he'd do very well at it, but initially if he's thrust in a situation where you're talking about winning right off the bat, it's going to be a little more complex for him. But I think eventually he's going to groom himself into an individual that's going to do a better than average job at it."
Sounds like the exact situation that we've all been wary of from the start.
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 31, 2010, 09:41:28 AM
The Hawk didn't really slather his good buddy Ryno with effusive praise, did he?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0831-cubs-bits--20100830,0,3889520.story
Quote"I'm still kind of amazed that he wants to do it at this level," Dawson said. "It's different at the minor-league level when you're doing a little bit more evaluating and you're working with the kids and you're trying to get them to the next level. Here it's egos, attitudes, business and you're under the microscope a little bit more. Ryno, I never envisioned that as a player. He was a little bit more laid-back, quiet ...
"Maybe there's a different animal now that surfaced. But I wish him well. Anyone who wants to take that on, who wants that challenge, I really wish him the best. I think he'd do a good job at it. He's respected in that manner. He played the game the way he was supposed to play the game. He knows how to win the respect of his peers, of the players he'd be above.
"So I think he'd do very well at it, but initially if he's thrust in a situation where you're talking about winning right off the bat, it's going to be a little more complex for him. But I think eventually he's going to groom himself into an individual that's going to do a better than average job at it."
Sounds like the exact situation that we've all been wary of from the start.
BETTER THAN AVERAGE!
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 31, 2010, 10:32:38 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 31, 2010, 09:41:28 AM
The Hawk didn't really slather his good buddy Ryno with effusive praise, did he?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0831-cubs-bits--20100830,0,3889520.story
Quote"I'm still kind of amazed that he wants to do it at this level," Dawson said. "It's different at the minor-league level when you're doing a little bit more evaluating and you're working with the kids and you're trying to get them to the next level. Here it's egos, attitudes, business and you're under the microscope a little bit more. Ryno, I never envisioned that as a player. He was a little bit more laid-back, quiet ...
"Maybe there's a different animal now that surfaced. But I wish him well. Anyone who wants to take that on, who wants that challenge, I really wish him the best. I think he'd do a good job at it. He's respected in that manner. He played the game the way he was supposed to play the game. He knows how to win the respect of his peers, of the players he'd be above.
"So I think he'd do very well at it, but initially if he's thrust in a situation where you're talking about winning right off the bat, it's going to be a little more complex for him. But I think eventually he's going to groom himself into an individual that's going to do a better than average job at it."
Sounds like the exact situation that we've all been wary of from the start.
BETTER THAN AVERAGE!
I'm just glad to learn that Ryno played the game the way it was meant to be played. I've always hoped that was true, but no one could ever confirm it by mentioning it every time his time as a player is discussed.
Quote from: Bort on August 31, 2010, 10:35:44 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 31, 2010, 10:32:38 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 31, 2010, 09:41:28 AM
The Hawk didn't really slather his good buddy Ryno with effusive praise, did he?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0831-cubs-bits--20100830,0,3889520.story
Quote"I'm still kind of amazed that he wants to do it at this level," Dawson said. "It's different at the minor-league level when you're doing a little bit more evaluating and you're working with the kids and you're trying to get them to the next level. Here it's egos, attitudes, business and you're under the microscope a little bit more. Ryno, I never envisioned that as a player. He was a little bit more laid-back, quiet ...
"Maybe there's a different animal now that surfaced. But I wish him well. Anyone who wants to take that on, who wants that challenge, I really wish him the best. I think he'd do a good job at it. He's respected in that manner. He played the game the way he was supposed to play the game. He knows how to win the respect of his peers, of the players he'd be above.
"So I think he'd do very well at it, but initially if he's thrust in a situation where you're talking about winning right off the bat, it's going to be a little more complex for him. But I think eventually he's going to groom himself into an individual that's going to do a better than average job at it."
Sounds like the exact situation that we've all been wary of from the start.
BETTER THAN AVERAGE!
I'm just glad to learn that Ryno played the game the way it was meant to be played. I've always hoped that was true, but no one could ever confirm it by mentioning it every time his time as a player is discussed.
I remember when he hit two game-tying homers off of Bruce Sutter when NOBODY was doing that to Bruce Sutter. That is winning baseball the Ryne Sandberg way. If he can bring that element to the Cubs then I say sign him up to a lifetime contract. Just hand him a blank contract and let him write up the details and the fine print. Let his lawyers get buck nutty on the thing and hand it back to Hendry. You can't put a price on that kind of excellence in baseball playing correctness.
I really wish someone would challenge this "playing the game the correct way." Look, I know we poke fun at it whenever it's mentioned. I don't know what "baseball playing correctness" translates for everyone here, but to me it means tha the player genuinely desires to do everything in his power to play the game in such a way (I know, I don't really know what that means) that makes his team better. Practicing bunting. Running out routine grounders. Using your nonglove hand to assist in catching fly balls. Diving. Dirtying up a uniform. Grit. Determination. Flipping your flip shades down when the ball is hit in the air for crying out loud. Studying the opposing players and away parks.
All those things are played up by commentators and talking heads and downplayed by douchebag, mom's basement statatron types. Certainly there's something admirable about those so called "intangibles". That doesn't really make Ryne Sandberg a great baseball player or manager. It makes him a more focused and dedicated player or manager and definitely gives him an edge, but it doesn't mean it's the be all and end all.
Why can't people just say that he fills a lineup card okay and plays the best players, doesn't run his starters into the ground and happens to get along with most the guys on the team? That's really all managing is, right? So easy even a caveman can do it?
Anyway, maybe I'm out of line. It's football season, after all.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 31, 2010, 03:00:51 PM
I really wish someone would challenge this "playing the game the correct way." Look, I know we poke fun at it whenever it's mentioned. I don't know what "baseball playing correctness" translates for everyone here, but to me it means tha the player genuinely desires to do everything in his power to play the game in such a way (I know, I don't really know what that means) that makes his team better. Practicing bunting. Running out routine grounders. Using your nonglove hand to assist in catching fly balls. Diving. Dirtying up a uniform. Grit. Determination. Flipping your flip shades down when the ball is hit in the air for crying out loud. Studying the opposing players and away parks.
All those things are played up by commentators and talking heads and downplayed by douchebag, mom's basement statatron types. Certainly there's something admirable about those so called "intangibles". That doesn't really make Ryne Sandberg a great baseball player or manager. It makes him a more focused and dedicated player or manager and definitely gives him an edge, but it doesn't mean it's the be all and end all.
Why can't people just say that he fills a lineup card okay and plays the best players, doesn't run his starters into the ground and happens to get along with most the guys on the team? That's really all managing is, right? So easy even a caveman can do it?
Anyway, maybe I'm out of line. It's football season, after all.
I, er, would like to kind of endorse this post
Two questions.
1. Does anybody think that the Cubs can possibly win a World Championship so long as Jim Hendry helms the organization?
2. If the answer to #1 is "hellz no," and if Hendry is indeed returning for 2011 -- and, Christ, possibly beyond -- does his choice of manager actually matter?
Therefore, it might as well be Ryne Sandberg. It'll deceive Cub fans into a temporary state of happiness, right up until the continued shitty play of the club turns us against the greatest second baseman to ever wear a Cubs uniform.
Of course, I'm talking about Glenn Beckert.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 31, 2010, 03:00:51 PM
I really wish someone would challenge this "playing the game the correct way." Look, I know we poke fun at it whenever it's mentioned. I don't know what "baseball playing correctness" translates for everyone here...
To me it means playing NOT like Ryan Theriot.
Quote from: Canadouche on September 02, 2010, 10:34:30 PM
Two questions.
1. Does anybody think that the Cubs can possibly win a World Championship so long as Jim Hendry helms the organization?
2. If the answer to #1 is "hellz no," and if Hendry is indeed returning for 2011 -- and, Christ, possibly beyond -- does his choice of manager actually matter?
Therefore, it might as well be Ryne Sandberg. It'll deceive Cub fans into a temporary state of happiness, right up until the continued shitty play of the club turns us against the greatest second baseman to ever wear a Cubs uniform.
Of course, I'm talking about Glenn Beckert.
Well, they did have the best team in the NL in 2008 under him, but going forward, no way.
Jim needs to bring back DeRosa as player-manager. Right that wrong. When's the last time this stupid league's had a player-manager anyway? Rose?
Quote from: PANK! on September 03, 2010, 09:36:44 AM
Jim needs to bring back DeRosa as player-manager. Right that wrong. When's the last ime this stupid league's had a player-manager anyway? Rose?
ROSe...DeROSa?
The similarities are CHILLING.
Quote from: Bort on September 03, 2010, 09:38:52 AM
The similarities are CHILLING.
So CHILLING as to almost appear computer generated.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on September 03, 2010, 09:39:57 AM
Quote from: Bort on September 03, 2010, 09:38:52 AM
The similarities are CHILLING.
So CHILLING as to almost appear computer generated.
Dan Brown walks into a bar... (http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/d72mt/so_helium_walks_into_a_bar_and_orders_a_beer/c0y28kw)
Quote from: Slaky on September 03, 2010, 09:42:02 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on September 03, 2010, 09:39:57 AM
Quote from: Bort on September 03, 2010, 09:38:52 AM
The similarities are CHILLING.
So CHILLING as to almost appear computer generated.
Dan Brown walks into a bar... (http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/d72mt/so_helium_walks_into_a_bar_and_orders_a_beer/c0y28kw)
Five months ago, the kaleidoscope of power had been shaken, and Aringarosa was still reeling from the blow. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/booknews/6194031/The-Lost-Symbol-and-The-Da-Vinci-Code-author-Dan-Browns-20-worst-sentences.html)
Quote from: Slaky on September 03, 2010, 09:42:02 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on September 03, 2010, 09:39:57 AM
Quote from: Bort on September 03, 2010, 09:38:52 AM
The similarities are CHILLING.
So CHILLING as to almost appear computer generated.
Dan Brown walks into a bar... (http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/d72mt/so_helium_walks_into_a_bar_and_orders_a_beer/c0y28kw)
Classic.
QuoteThe bartender's silence spoke leaflets. After what seemed like a long time, he unsilenced and spoke again. "What would you like to drink?" he said slowly, a little too slowly. Almost like it was in code. If there was one thing Dan Brown could do, besides bookery, it was being able to pull hidden codes from seemingly nowhere, at least to anyone who wasn't he - Dan Brown.
Quote from: Canadouche on September 02, 2010, 10:34:30 PM
Two questions.
1. Does anybody think that the Cubs can possibly win a World Championship so long as Jim Hendry helms the organization?
2. If the answer to #1 is "hellz no," and if Hendry is indeed returning for 2011 -- and, Christ, possibly beyond -- does his choice of manager actually matter?
Therefore, it might as well be Ryne Sandberg. It'll deceive Cub fans into a temporary state of happiness, right up until the continued shitty play of the club turns us against the greatest second baseman to ever wear a Cubs uniform.
Of course, I'm talking about Glenn Beckert.
(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/179/150/kenhubbs_display_image.jpg?1269409848)
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 03, 2010, 10:41:57 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on September 02, 2010, 10:34:30 PM
Two questions.
1. Does anybody think that the Cubs can possibly win a World Championship so long as Jim Hendry helms the organization?
2. If the answer to #1 is "hellz no," and if Hendry is indeed returning for 2011 -- and, Christ, possibly beyond -- does his choice of manager actually matter?
Therefore, it might as well be Ryne Sandberg. It'll deceive Cub fans into a temporary state of happiness, right up until the continued shitty play of the club turns us against the greatest second baseman to ever wear a Cubs uniform.
Of course, I'm talking about Glenn Beckert.
(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/179/150/kenhubbs_display_image.jpg?1269409848)
(http://i55.tinypic.com/wtvvxd.jpg)
Too bad we can't get a cool manager.
http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/04/dusty-bakers-house-of-cool/
Quote from: smg on September 04, 2010, 03:41:40 PM
Too bad we can't get a cool manager.
http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/04/dusty-bakers-house-of-cool/
Cool dudes can get the best drugs.
Quote from: smg on September 04, 2010, 03:41:40 PM
Too bad we can't get a cool manager.
http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/04/dusty-bakers-house-of-cool/
QuotePaul Daughtery, a Cincinnati Enquirer columnist, said that was high praise coming from Baker, whose wristbands and toothpick and smooth self-assurance make him one of baseball's coolest characters.
Wristbands and toothpicks?
Steve McQueen would be rolling over in his grave if he hadn't been too cool to be buried in the earth.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on September 04, 2010, 04:12:05 PM
Quote from: smg on September 04, 2010, 03:41:40 PM
Too bad we can't get a cool manager.
http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/04/dusty-bakers-house-of-cool/
QuotePaul Daughtery, a Cincinnati Enquirer columnist, said that was high praise coming from Baker, whose wristbands and toothpick and smooth self-assurance make him one of baseball's coolest characters.
Wristbands and toothpicks?
Steve McQueen would be rolling over in his grave if he hadn't been too cool to be buried in the earth.
Paul Daughtery makes Jay Marriotti look like Bernie Lincicome. He's the WORST.
Ryno has plenty of free time to prepare for a follow-up interview with Hendry. The I-Cubs blew the division title on the final day of the season and won't be going to the playoffs.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on September 06, 2010, 04:14:59 PM
Ryno has plenty of free time to prepare for a follow-up interview with Hendry. The I-Cubs blew the division title on the final day of the season and won't be going to the playoffs.
He's perfect.
Phildo: GIVE RYNO THE REINS!!!!11!! (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0909-rogers-ryne-sandberg-cubs20100908,0,3476619.column)
QuoteMaybe he would flame out spectacularly. Maybe he would turn into a North Side version of Ozzie Guillen, without so many expletives having to be deleted.
It's a roll of the dice.
I say put the bones in his hands and stand back, hoping that this time next year — or the year after that, two years after that, even three years after that — Cub Nation rings with cries of "hot shooter, hot shooter.''
Sure. Fuck it.
Quote from: Phildo on September 09, 2010, 01:59:17 PM
I say put the bones in his hands and stand back, hoping that this time next year — or the year after that, two years after that, even three years after that — Cub Nation rings with cries of "hot shooter, hot shooter.''
Groooooosssss.
Did I miss any? (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5601686)
Brenly
Girardi?
Gonzalez
La Russa?
Listach
Melvin
Quade
Sandberg
Torre?
Trammell
Wakamatsu (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5604621)
Wedge
Shawon Dunston with the ringing endorsement of his double play partner:
QuoteFormer double-play partner Shawon Dunston, in town as part of the Giants' coaching staff, was a little surprised by Sandberg's post-playing coaching experience.
"When we sat around when we were young, we all knew Joe Girardi would be a manager, we knew Ryno would be a Hall of Famer and we knew Andre [Dawson] and Greg [Maddux] would be Hall of Famers. But no, I never envisioned Ryno being a manager."
Dunston, who played next to Sandberg for portions of 10 years, hasn't been in touch with him since spring training.
"I hear he gets thrown out of games," Dunston said. "He never got thrown out when I played with him. That's kind of funny, right there, because he'd only say three or four words a day when we played together."
Quote from: Night Man on September 22, 2010, 04:38:03 PM
Did I miss any? (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5601686)
Brenly
Girardi?
Gonzalez
La Russa?
Listach
Melvin
Quade
Sandberg
Torre?
Trammell
Wakamatsu (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5604621)
Wedge
Can we add Cito Gaston to the list and cross off Ryno? (http://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/25247683125)
Quote from: Eli on September 09, 2010, 02:37:48 PM
Quote from: Phildo on September 09, 2010, 01:59:17 PM
I say put the bones in his hands and stand back, hoping that this time next year — or the year after that, two years after that, even three years after that — Cub Nation rings with cries of "hot shooter, hot shooter.''
Groooooosssss.
At least he didn't say "knuckle babies, knuckle babies".
Admittedly I haven't watched more than a handful of games all year, but how is quade when it comes to in game decisions, etc?
Granted their schedule now is pretty easy, they have no pressure, etc.. I'm assuming quade will be our manager going forward, especially if they keep winning..
Quote from: BH on September 23, 2010, 08:25:45 AM
Admittedly I haven't watched more than a handful of games all year, but how is quade when it comes to in game decisions, etc?
Granted their schedule now is pretty easy, they have no pressure, etc.. I'm assuming quade will be our manager going forward, especially if they keep winning..
He's a bunting machine. He sucks
Quote from: PenPho on September 22, 2010, 06:10:23 PM
Quote from: Night Man on September 22, 2010, 04:38:03 PM
Did I miss any? (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5601686)
Brenly
Girardi?
Gonzalez
La Russa?
Listach
Melvin
Quade
Sandberg
Torre?
Trammell
Wakamatsu (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5604621)
Wedge
Can we add Cito Gaston to the list and cross off Ryno? (http://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/25247683125)
How many others on this "long list" are Hall of Famers? Fuck yeah, cross him off.
Shit, he might as well start looking at homes in Toronto today.
Quote from: Yeti on September 23, 2010, 08:31:07 AM
Quote from: BH on September 23, 2010, 08:25:45 AM
Admittedly I haven't watched more than a handful of games all year, but how is quade when it comes to in game decisions, etc?
Granted their schedule now is pretty easy, they have no pressure, etc.. I'm assuming quade will be our manager going forward, especially if they keep winning..
He's a bunting machine. He sucks
Thanks for the scoop, Chuck.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on September 23, 2010, 08:42:29 AM
Quote from: PenPho on September 22, 2010, 06:10:23 PM
Quote from: Night Man on September 22, 2010, 04:38:03 PM
Did I miss any? (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5601686)
Brenly
Girardi?
Gonzalez
La Russa?
Listach
Melvin
Quade
Sandberg
Torre?
Trammell
Wakamatsu (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5604621)
Wedge
Can we add Cito Gaston to the list and cross off Ryno? (http://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/25247683125)
How many others on this "long list" are Hall of Famers? Fuck yeah, cross him off.
Shit, he might as well start looking at homes in Toronto today.
Or Seattle. Or Phoenix (where he already has a home). Or Milwaukee.
Interestingly, Kevin Towers took the job in Arizona and said Greg Maddux has a standing offer to be pitching coach, bench coach, bullpen coach, equipment manager, bullpen catcher, left fielder, manager, whatever he wants.
Why doesn't anyone want Jim Hendry or Randy Bush?
Quote from: Brownie on September 23, 2010, 11:24:55 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on September 23, 2010, 08:42:29 AM
Quote from: PenPho on September 22, 2010, 06:10:23 PM
Quote from: Night Man on September 22, 2010, 04:38:03 PM
Did I miss any? (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5601686)
Brenly
Girardi?
Gonzalez
La Russa?
Listach
Melvin
Quade
Sandberg
Torre?
Trammell
Wakamatsu (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5604621)
Wedge
Can we add Cito Gaston to the list and cross off Ryno? (http://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/25247683125)
How many others on this "long list" are Hall of Famers? Fuck yeah, cross him off.
Shit, he might as well start looking at homes in Toronto today.
Or Seattle. Or Phoenix (where he already has a home). Or Milwaukee.
Interestingly, Kevin Towers took the job in Arizona and said Greg Maddux has a standing offer to be pitching coach, bench coach, bullpen coach, equipment manager, bullpen catcher, left fielder, manager, whatever he wants.
Why doesn't anyone want Jim Hendry or Randy Bush?
Not Phoenix, Gibson is staying. (http://twitter.com/JimBowdenXMFOX/status/25264072740)
Quote from: Yeti on September 23, 2010, 08:31:07 AM
Quote from: BH on September 23, 2010, 08:25:45 AM
Admittedly I haven't watched more than a handful of games all year, but how is quade when it comes to in game decisions, etc?
Granted their schedule now is pretty easy, they have no pressure, etc.. I'm assuming quade will be our manager going forward, especially if they keep winning..
He's a bunting machine. He sucks
Is this a Shoutbox joke that I don't understand? In the past 28 days, they've laid down 7 successful bunts.
Quote from: Kermit IV on September 23, 2010, 11:47:27 AM
Quote from: Yeti on September 23, 2010, 08:31:07 AM
Quote from: BH on September 23, 2010, 08:25:45 AM
Admittedly I haven't watched more than a handful of games all year, but how is quade when it comes to in game decisions, etc?
Granted their schedule now is pretty easy, they have no pressure, etc.. I'm assuming quade will be our manager going forward, especially if they keep winning..
He's a bunting machine. He sucks
Is this a Shoutbox joke that I don't understand? In the past 28 days, they've laid down 7 successful bunts.
This is about that one time that Quade made Castro bunt with two men on as some sort of "learning experience". So naturally, this means he bunts a lot. And no, I'm not going to address the irony in the fact that a self professed "stat fag" is basing his entire opinion of Quade on a single instance of bunting.
Or maybe I am.
Quote from: Kermit IV on September 23, 2010, 11:47:27 AM
Quote from: Yeti on September 23, 2010, 08:31:07 AM
Quote from: BH on September 23, 2010, 08:25:45 AM
Admittedly I haven't watched more than a handful of games all year, but how is quade when it comes to in game decisions, etc?
Granted their schedule now is pretty easy, they have no pressure, etc.. I'm assuming quade will be our manager going forward, especially if they keep winning..
He's a bunting machine. He sucks
Is this a Shoutbox joke that I don't understand? In the past 28 days, they've laid down 7 successful bunts.
Just referencing my accusation that Sandberg (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7387.msg220825#msg220825) bunts too much (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7387.msg220858#msg220858) based off of something I heard on the Score. I didn't really know what Quade's feelings on bunts were. Just poking fun at him.
BUT.... (http://thorgolucky.com/forum/images/smiles/smiley_poke_with_stick.gif)
What is a "successful" bunt?
Quote from: CT III on September 23, 2010, 11:51:21 AM
This is about that one time that Quade made Castro bunt with two men on as some sort of "learning experience". So naturally, this means he bunts a lot. And no, I'm not going to address the irony in the fact that a self professed "stat fag" is basing his entire opinion of Quade on a single instance of bunting.
Or maybe I am.
I forgot all about that actually
Quote from: Yeti on September 23, 2010, 11:54:46 AM
What is a "successful" bunt?
Are you serious again? I only said "successful" because I'm not sure how to find out how many total times he called for a bunt, but I do know how many were successful. 7. In 28 days.
Quote from: Kermit IV on September 23, 2010, 12:49:40 PM
Quote from: Yeti on September 23, 2010, 11:54:46 AM
What is a "successful" bunt?
Are you serious again? I only said "successful" because I'm not sure how to find out how many total times he called for a bunt, but I do know how many were successful. 7. In 28 days.
Eh, not really. I don't find Quade to be the "sexy" choice for manager. I can't really come up with why. I just am not intrigued, but I value the manager as much as the 24th man on the roster so it ranks pretty low on my "care scale".
Quote from: Yeti on September 23, 2010, 12:57:36 PM
Quote from: Kermit IV on September 23, 2010, 12:49:40 PM
Quote from: Yeti on September 23, 2010, 11:54:46 AM
What is a "successful" bunt?
Are you serious again? I only said "successful" because I'm not sure how to find out how many total times he called for a bunt, but I do know how many were successful. 7. In 28 days.
Eh, not really. I don't find Quade to be the "sexy" choice for manager. I can't really come up with why. I just am not intrigued, but I value the manager as much as the 24th man on the roster so it ranks pretty low on my "care scale".
I'd have no problems with Quade being the next manager. Besides, when the team sucks next year, and the inevitable calls for his termination reach a fevered pitch, the Cubs won't have to suffer the ignominy of firing a Hall of Fame second baseman.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 23, 2010, 01:02:09 PM
Quote from: Yeti on September 23, 2010, 12:57:36 PM
Quote from: Kermit IV on September 23, 2010, 12:49:40 PM
Quote from: Yeti on September 23, 2010, 11:54:46 AM
What is a "successful" bunt?
Are you serious again? I only said "successful" because I'm not sure how to find out how many total times he called for a bunt, but I do know how many were successful. 7. In 28 days.
Eh, not really. I don't find Quade to be the "sexy" choice for manager. I can't really come up with why. I just am not intrigued, but I value the manager as much as the 24th man on the roster so it ranks pretty low on my "care scale".
I'd have no problems with Quade being the next manager. Besides, when the team sucks next year, and the inevitable calls for his termination reach a fevered pitch, the Cubs won't have to suffer the ignominy of firing a Hall of Fame second baseman.
The important thing is Yeti doesn't care about who the manager is, yet gets ANGRY over bunts and benching players.
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on September 23, 2010, 01:05:08 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 23, 2010, 01:02:09 PM
Quote from: Yeti on September 23, 2010, 12:57:36 PM
Quote from: Kermit IV on September 23, 2010, 12:49:40 PM
Quote from: Yeti on September 23, 2010, 11:54:46 AM
What is a "successful" bunt?
Are you serious again? I only said "successful" because I'm not sure how to find out how many total times he called for a bunt, but I do know how many were successful. 7. In 28 days.
Eh, not really. I don't find Quade to be the "sexy" choice for manager. I can't really come up with why. I just am not intrigued, but I value the manager as much as the 24th man on the roster so it ranks pretty low on my "care scale".
I'd have no problems with Quade being the next manager. Besides, when the team sucks next year, and the inevitable calls for his termination reach a fevered pitch, the Cubs won't have to suffer the ignominy of firing a Hall of Fame second baseman.
The important thing is Yeti doesn't care about who the manager is, yet gets ANGRY over bunts and benching players.
Yeti only came into this discussion to get directions away from it.
Quote from: Bort on September 23, 2010, 01:15:48 PM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on September 23, 2010, 01:05:08 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 23, 2010, 01:02:09 PM
Quote from: Yeti on September 23, 2010, 12:57:36 PM
Quote from: Kermit IV on September 23, 2010, 12:49:40 PM
Quote from: Yeti on September 23, 2010, 11:54:46 AM
What is a "successful" bunt?
Are you serious again? I only said "successful" because I'm not sure how to find out how many total times he called for a bunt, but I do know how many were successful. 7. In 28 days.
Eh, not really. I don't find Quade to be the "sexy" choice for manager. I can't really come up with why. I just am not intrigued, but I value the manager as much as the 24th man on the roster so it ranks pretty low on my "care scale".
I'd have no problems with Quade being the next manager. Besides, when the team sucks next year, and the inevitable calls for his termination reach a fevered pitch, the Cubs won't have to suffer the ignominy of firing a Hall of Fame second baseman.
The important thing is Yeti doesn't care about who the manager is, yet gets ANGRY over bunts and benching players.
Yeti only came into this discussion to get directions away from it.
He goes apeshit abouit the manager in other (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7491.msg224816#msg224816) threads (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7226.msg224815#msg224815), too.
But he totally doesn't care.
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on September 23, 2010, 01:29:03 PM
Quote from: Bort on September 23, 2010, 01:15:48 PM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on September 23, 2010, 01:05:08 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 23, 2010, 01:02:09 PM
Quote from: Yeti on September 23, 2010, 12:57:36 PM
Quote from: Kermit IV on September 23, 2010, 12:49:40 PM
Quote from: Yeti on September 23, 2010, 11:54:46 AM
What is a "successful" bunt?
Are you serious again? I only said "successful" because I'm not sure how to find out how many total times he called for a bunt, but I do know how many were successful. 7. In 28 days.
Eh, not really. I don't find Quade to be the "sexy" choice for manager. I can't really come up with why. I just am not intrigued, but I value the manager as much as the 24th man on the roster so it ranks pretty low on my "care scale".
I'd have no problems with Quade being the next manager. Besides, when the team sucks next year, and the inevitable calls for his termination reach a fevered pitch, the Cubs won't have to suffer the ignominy of firing a Hall of Fame second baseman.
The important thing is Yeti doesn't care about who the manager is, yet gets ANGRY over bunts and benching players.
Yeti only came into this discussion to get directions away from it.
He goes apeshit abouit the manager in other (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7491.msg224816#msg224816) threads (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7226.msg224815#msg224815), too.
But he totally doesn't care.
He forgot all about that.
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on September 23, 2010, 01:29:03 PM
Quote from: Bort on September 23, 2010, 01:15:48 PM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on September 23, 2010, 01:05:08 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 23, 2010, 01:02:09 PM
Quote from: Yeti on September 23, 2010, 12:57:36 PM
Quote from: Kermit IV on September 23, 2010, 12:49:40 PM
Quote from: Yeti on September 23, 2010, 11:54:46 AM
What is a "successful" bunt?
Are you serious again? I only said "successful" because I'm not sure how to find out how many total times he called for a bunt, but I do know how many were successful. 7. In 28 days.
Eh, not really. I don't find Quade to be the "sexy" choice for manager. I can't really come up with why. I just am not intrigued, but I value the manager as much as the 24th man on the roster so it ranks pretty low on my "care scale".
I'd have no problems with Quade being the next manager. Besides, when the team sucks next year, and the inevitable calls for his termination reach a fevered pitch, the Cubs won't have to suffer the ignominy of firing a Hall of Fame second baseman.
The important thing is Yeti doesn't care about who the manager is, yet gets ANGRY over bunts and benching players.
Yeti only came into this discussion to get directions away from it.
He goes apeshit abouit the manager in other (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7491.msg224816#msg224816) threads (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7226.msg224815#msg224815), too.
But he totally doesn't care.
I was in a bad mood that day. It happens to the best of us, or the worst of us in my case
Quote from: Yeti on September 23, 2010, 01:45:31 PM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on September 23, 2010, 01:29:03 PM
Quote from: Bort on September 23, 2010, 01:15:48 PM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on September 23, 2010, 01:05:08 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 23, 2010, 01:02:09 PM
Quote from: Yeti on September 23, 2010, 12:57:36 PM
Quote from: Kermit IV on September 23, 2010, 12:49:40 PM
Quote from: Yeti on September 23, 2010, 11:54:46 AM
What is a "successful" bunt?
Are you serious again? I only said "successful" because I'm not sure how to find out how many total times he called for a bunt, but I do know how many were successful. 7. In 28 days.
Eh, not really. I don't find Quade to be the "sexy" choice for manager. I can't really come up with why. I just am not intrigued, but I value the manager as much as the 24th man on the roster so it ranks pretty low on my "care scale".
I'd have no problems with Quade being the next manager. Besides, when the team sucks next year, and the inevitable calls for his termination reach a fevered pitch, the Cubs won't have to suffer the ignominy of firing a Hall of Fame second baseman.
The important thing is Yeti doesn't care about who the manager is, yet gets ANGRY over bunts and benching players.
Yeti only came into this discussion to get directions away from it.
He goes apeshit abouit the manager in other (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7491.msg224816#msg224816) threads (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7226.msg224815#msg224815), too.
But he totally doesn't care.
I was in a bad mood that day. It happens to the best of us, or the worst of us in my case
I'm still trying to find your numerous rants about the 24th man on the roster.
Since you care about them equally, I'm sure they're around here somewhere.
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on September 23, 2010, 01:47:40 PM
Quote from: Yeti on September 23, 2010, 01:45:31 PM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on September 23, 2010, 01:29:03 PM
Quote from: Bort on September 23, 2010, 01:15:48 PM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on September 23, 2010, 01:05:08 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 23, 2010, 01:02:09 PM
Quote from: Yeti on September 23, 2010, 12:57:36 PM
Quote from: Kermit IV on September 23, 2010, 12:49:40 PM
Quote from: Yeti on September 23, 2010, 11:54:46 AM
What is a "successful" bunt?
Are you serious again? I only said "successful" because I'm not sure how to find out how many total times he called for a bunt, but I do know how many were successful. 7. In 28 days.
Eh, not really. I don't find Quade to be the "sexy" choice for manager. I can't really come up with why. I just am not intrigued, but I value the manager as much as the 24th man on the roster so it ranks pretty low on my "care scale".
I'd have no problems with Quade being the next manager. Besides, when the team sucks next year, and the inevitable calls for his termination reach a fevered pitch, the Cubs won't have to suffer the ignominy of firing a Hall of Fame second baseman.
The important thing is Yeti doesn't care about who the manager is, yet gets ANGRY over bunts and benching players.
Yeti only came into this discussion to get directions away from it.
He goes apeshit abouit the manager in other (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7491.msg224816#msg224816) threads (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7226.msg224815#msg224815), too.
But he totally doesn't care.
I was in a bad mood that day. It happens to the best of us, or the worst of us in my case
I'm still trying to find your numerous rants about the 24th man on the roster.
Since you care about them equally, I'm sure they're around here somewhere.
I rant about the 23rd man more
So, Ozzie Guillen anybody?
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 24, 2010, 09:03:42 AM
So, Ozzie Guillen anybody?
Is he going to bring the blow-up dolls?
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 24, 2010, 09:03:42 AM
So, Ozzie Guillen anybody?
Watching the Sox fans ripping their once beloved manager would certainly be worth it.
For all of his faults, Ozzie is a pretty good manager. The Cubs could certainly do worse. I'm surprised that Kenny won the power struggle, seeing as how Hahn has been ready to assume GM duties for a while now.
Quote from: Indolent Reader on September 24, 2010, 09:34:10 AM
For all of his faults, Ozzie is a pretty good manager. The Cubs could certainly do worse. I'm surprised that Kenny won the power struggle, seeing as how Hahn has been ready to assume GM duties for a while now.
Kenny Williams did say he'd leave for the Raiders GM job. Now, that would be fung!
Quote from: Night Man on September 22, 2010, 04:38:03 PM
Did I miss any? (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5601686)
Brenly (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5613688)
Girardi?
Gonzalez
La Russa?
Listach
Melvin
Quade
Sandberg
Torre?
Trammell
Wakamatsu (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5604621)
Wedge
Brenly out'd
Quote from: Yeti on September 25, 2010, 11:46:20 AM
Quote from: Night Man on September 22, 2010, 04:38:03 PM
Did I miss any? (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5601686)
Brenly (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5613688)
Girardi?
Gonzalez
La Russa?
Listach
Melvin
Quade
Sandberg
Torre?
Trammell
Wakamatsu (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5604621)
Wedge
Brenly out'd
So what does "personal and professional reasons" mean?
Quote from: Night Man on September 25, 2010, 01:01:18 PM
Quote from: Yeti on September 25, 2010, 11:46:20 AM
Quote from: Night Man on September 22, 2010, 04:38:03 PM
Did I miss any? (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5601686)
Brenly (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5613688)
Girardi?
Gonzalez
La Russa?
Listach
Melvin
Quade
Sandberg
Torre?
Trammell
Wakamatsu (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5604621)
Wedge
Brenly out'd
So what does "personal and professional reasons" mean?
He doesn't want to manage a team in a rebuilding phase but (Eh-eh-eh-eh) if you've got a team full of juiced-up veterans who don't need to be told shit ready to compete for a title this year, call him.
Quote from: Internet Apex on September 24, 2010, 09:05:02 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 24, 2010, 09:03:42 AM
So, Ozzie Guillen anybody?
I'd be down.
"Me too." (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0926-white-sox-angels-chicago-20100925,0,623932.story) - Ozzie
Quote from: Night Man on September 22, 2010, 04:38:03 PM
Did I miss any? (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5601686)
Brenly (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5613688)
Girardi?
Gonzalez
La Russa?
Listach
Melvin
Quade
Sandberg
Torre?
Trammell
Wakamatsu (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5604621)
Wedge
Melvin
With Brenly out, needed a new former D'Backs manager on the list.
Bo-Mel to interview. (http://twitter.com/ed_price/status/25709576712)
Quote from: PenPho on September 27, 2010, 02:43:13 PM
Quote from: Night Man on September 22, 2010, 04:38:03 PM
Did I miss any? (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5601686)
Brenly (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5613688)
Girardi?
Gonzalez
La Russa?
Listach
Melvin
Quade
Sandberg
Torre?
Trammell
Wakamatsu (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5604621)
Wedge
Melvin <-- WTF?
With Brenly out, needed a new former D'Backs manager on the list.
Bo-Mel to interview. (http://twitter.com/ed_price/status/25709576712)
Thanks for the DRLP!
Quote from: Night Man on September 27, 2010, 03:02:04 PM
Quote from: PenPho on September 27, 2010, 02:43:13 PM
Quote from: Night Man on September 22, 2010, 04:38:03 PM
Did I miss any? (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5601686)
Brenly (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5613688)
Girardi?
Gonzalez
La Russa?
Listach
Melvin
Quade
Sandberg
Torre?
Trammell
Wakamatsu (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5604621)
Wedge
Melvin <-- WTF?
With Brenly out, needed a new former D'Backs manager on the list.
Bo-Mel to interview. (http://twitter.com/ed_price/status/25709576712)
Thanks for the DRLP!
Interesting.
Quote from: PenPho on September 27, 2010, 02:43:13 PM
Quote from: Night Man on September 22, 2010, 04:38:03 PM
Did I miss any? (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5601686)
Brenly (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5613688)
Girardi?
Gonzalez
La Russa?
Listach
Melvin
Quade
Sandberg
Torre?
Trammell
Wakamatsu (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5604621)
Wedge
Melvin
With Brenly out, needed a new former D'Backs manager on the list.
Bo-Mel to interview. (http://twitter.com/ed_price/status/25709576712)
Might as well call Jack McKeon & Joe Torre too. I can't see any other reason to talk to Melvin other than the fact he beat the Cubs in the playoffs.
Quote from: PenPho on September 27, 2010, 03:03:04 PM
Quote from: Night Man on September 27, 2010, 03:02:04 PM
Quote from: PenPho on September 27, 2010, 02:43:13 PM
Quote from: Night Man on September 22, 2010, 04:38:03 PM
Did I miss any? (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5601686)
Brenly (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5613688)
Girardi?
Gonzalez
La Russa?
Listach
Melvin
Quade
Sandberg
Torre?
Trammell
Wakamatsu (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5604621)
Wedge
Melvin <-- WTF?
With Brenly out, needed a new former D'Backs manager on the list.
Bo-Mel to interview. (http://twitter.com/ed_price/status/25709576712)
Thanks for the DRLP!
Interesting.
Pen may spend "5 trillion hours per week on fantasy sports" but 10 seconds for reading is a bridge too far.
Quote from: Night Man on September 26, 2010, 02:45:04 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on September 24, 2010, 09:05:02 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 24, 2010, 09:03:42 AM
So, Ozzie Guillen anybody?
I'd be down.
"Me too." (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0926-white-sox-angels-chicago-20100925,0,623932.story) - Ozzie
Nope. (http://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/25724079968)
Quote from: PenPho on September 27, 2010, 05:27:35 PM
Quote from: Night Man on September 26, 2010, 02:45:04 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on September 24, 2010, 09:05:02 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 24, 2010, 09:03:42 AM
So, Ozzie Guillen anybody?
I'd be down.
"Me too." (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0926-white-sox-angels-chicago-20100925,0,623932.story) - Ozzie
Nope. (http://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/25724079968)
That name really sounds made up.
At this point, they should just give Quade the job. If they're not going to spend enough money to improve the team and plan to use what they have, they might as well keep the guy who's been busting his ass to win games. I kinda like this bald clown. Also, beating San Diego in their poo-stained 1984 abortion uniforms is sweet.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 27, 2010, 05:34:58 PM
Quote from: PenPho on September 27, 2010, 05:27:35 PM
Quote from: Night Man on September 26, 2010, 02:45:04 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on September 24, 2010, 09:05:02 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 24, 2010, 09:03:42 AM
So, Ozzie Guillen anybody?
I'd be down.
"Me too." (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0926-white-sox-angels-chicago-20100925,0,623932.story) - Ozzie
Nope. (http://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/25724079968)
That name really sounds made up.
"I mean, it sounds so made up: yome kip puhr. "
You DO know that an ex-Cub player (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/10/martinez-interested-if-cubs-call.html) has my support in the managerial race, right?
Quote from: cindysandberg on October 06, 2010, 12:41:08 PM
You DO know that an ex-Cub player (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/10/martinez-interested-if-cubs-call.html) has my support in the managerial race, right?
That's a timely reappearance if I've ever seen one.
Quote from: Slaky on October 01, 2010, 02:59:57 PM
At this point, they should just give Quade the job. If they're not going to spend enough money to improve the team and plan to use what they have, they might as well keep the guy who's been busting his ass to win games. I kinda like this bald clown. Also, beating San Diego in their poo-stained 1984 abortion uniforms is sweet.
I'm thinking that's what Hendry and the Rickettses want to do. Once you hire Ryne Sandberg as your manager, you're facing the inevitable day that you become The Man Who Fired Ryne Sandberg.
That's why you should never hire one of your legends to manage.
Quote from: Slaky on October 06, 2010, 12:47:09 PM
Quote from: cindysandberg on October 06, 2010, 12:41:08 PM
You DO know that an ex-Cub player (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/10/martinez-interested-if-cubs-call.html) has my support in the managerial race, right?
That's a timely reappearance if I've ever seen one.
And ironic?
Quote from: Oleg on October 06, 2010, 01:06:56 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 06, 2010, 12:47:09 PM
Quote from: cindysandberg on October 06, 2010, 12:41:08 PM
You DO know that an ex-Cub player (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/10/martinez-interested-if-cubs-call.html) has my support in the managerial race, right?
That's a timely reappearance if I've ever seen one.
And ironic?
NO.
Quote from: CT III on October 06, 2010, 01:07:14 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 06, 2010, 01:06:56 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 06, 2010, 12:47:09 PM
Quote from: cindysandberg on October 06, 2010, 12:41:08 PM
You DO know that an ex-Cub player (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/10/martinez-interested-if-cubs-call.html) has my support in the managerial race, right?
That's a timely reappearance if I've ever seen one.
And ironic?
NO.
Are you sure?
For a second there I thought it would be awesome to see Dave Martinez get the jorb just to see how completely and publicly asshurt Sandberg would become. Then I remembered that I like Ryne Sandberg. What the fuck is wrong with me?
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 06, 2010, 01:33:36 PM
For a second there I thought it would be awesome to see Dave Martinez get the jorb just to see how completely and publicly asshurt Sandberg would become. Then I remembered that I like Ryne Sandberg. What the fuck is wrong with me?
You've finally become so asshurt you're devouring your own tail?
Quote from: Oleg on October 06, 2010, 01:20:07 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 06, 2010, 01:07:14 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 06, 2010, 01:06:56 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 06, 2010, 12:47:09 PM
Quote from: cindysandberg on October 06, 2010, 12:41:08 PM
You DO know that an ex-Cub player (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/10/martinez-interested-if-cubs-call.html) has my support in the managerial race, right?
That's a timely reappearance if I've ever seen one.
And ironic?
NO.
Are you sure?
He's literally sure
Quote from: Yeti on October 06, 2010, 01:53:06 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 06, 2010, 01:20:07 PM
Quote from: CT III on October 06, 2010, 01:07:14 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 06, 2010, 01:06:56 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 06, 2010, 12:47:09 PM
Quote from: cindysandberg on October 06, 2010, 12:41:08 PM
You DO know that an ex-Cub player (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/10/martinez-interested-if-cubs-call.html) has my support in the managerial race, right?
That's a timely reappearance if I've ever seen one.
And ironic?
NO.
Are you sure?
He's literally sure
In the abstract.
Quade to manage, Ryno to be bench coach. (http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/27375218492)
Quote from: PenPho on October 14, 2010, 04:02:11 PM
Quade to manage, Ryno to be bench coach. (http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/27375218492)
Will Carroll?
I wonder who delivered that news to the Android Dungeon & Baseball Card Shop?
Quote from: PANK! on October 14, 2010, 04:07:47 PM
Quote from: PenPho on October 14, 2010, 04:02:11 PM
Quade to manage, Ryno to be bench coach. (http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/27375218492)
Will Carroll?
I wonder who delivered that news to the Android Dungeon & Baseball Card Shop?
I'm surprised a known loser like Will can find time to tweet what with the release of fascinating images like this. (http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/features/2010/10/the-making-of-the-empire-strikes-back-201010?currentPage=all)
(http://www.vanityfair.com/images/hollywood/2010/10/esb03.jpg)
Quote from: PANK! on October 14, 2010, 04:07:47 PM
Quote from: PenPho on October 14, 2010, 04:02:11 PM
Quade to manage, Ryno to be bench coach. (http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/27375218492)
Will Carroll?
I wonder who delivered that news to the Android Dungeon & Baseball Card Shop?
This makes no sense anyway.
1) They'll announce a managerial move during the LCS? If BC thinks Bud Selig hates the Cubs now...
2) Sandberg will agree to work as second banana, when word is the Mets, Brewers, Torontos, Mariners and maybe even the White Sox and Cardinals would be interested in him?
3) Will Carroll is a twat. Everything R-V said.
Quote from: Brownie on October 14, 2010, 04:39:53 PM
Quote from: PANK! on October 14, 2010, 04:07:47 PM
Quote from: PenPho on October 14, 2010, 04:02:11 PM
Quade to manage, Ryno to be bench coach. (http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/27375218492)
Will Carroll?
I wonder who delivered that news to the Android Dungeon & Baseball Card Shop?
This makes no sense anyway.
1) They'll announce a managerial move during the LCS? If BC thinks Bud Selig hates the Cubs now...
2) Sandberg will agree to work as second banana, when word is the Mets, Brewers, Torontos, Mariners and maybe even the White Sox and Cardinals would be interested in him?
3) Will Carroll is a twat. Everything R-V said.
The Sandberg part makes no sense. Hiring Quade on the cheap in what will be a lame duck season for a lot of people makes a lot of sense.
Quade taking the job makes a lot of sense because no one else is giving him a major league managing job. Ever.
There's a reason Brenly publicly stated he wasn't taking the job. And I don't think it's the Don Draper "It's because I won't have you even tho you broke up with be first" reason.
Being the Cubs manager in 2011 is Dead Man Walking.
Why the fuck would you hire a bench coach with no big league coaching experience? I know the answer. I shouldn't have phrased that as a question.
Quote from: cindysandberg on October 06, 2010, 12:41:08 PM
You DO know that an ex-Cub player (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/10/martinez-interested-if-cubs-call.html) has my support in the managerial race, right?
Without clicking on the link, my guess is...Tony LaRussa. Amiright?
(http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/dave_martinez_autograph.jpg)
Googling Dave Martinez doesn't bring up any pictures of him as a Cub but it does bring up this:
(http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/george-ofman-thats-all-she-wrote/RYAN%20AND%20CINDY.jpg)
Quote from: PenPho on October 14, 2010, 04:02:11 PM
Quade to manage, Ryno to be bench coach? (http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/27375218492)
Fixed. (http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/27380040223)
Quote from: Night Man on October 14, 2010, 06:54:57 PM
Quote from: PenPho on October 14, 2010, 04:02:11 PM
Quade to manage, Ryno to be bench coach? (http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/27375218492)
Fixed. (http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/27380040223)
What a fucking turd.
Quote from: Slaky on October 14, 2010, 09:42:44 PM
Quote from: Night Man on October 14, 2010, 06:54:57 PM
Quote from: PenPho on October 14, 2010, 04:02:11 PM
Quade to manage, Ryno to be bench coach? (http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/27375218492)
Fixed. (http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/27380040223)
What a fucking turd.
http://twitter.com/Jared_Blitz/status/27375404742
Quote from: Jared_Blitz@injuryexpert where are you hearing that from?
http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/27375849699
Quote from: injuryexpert@Jared_Blitz Sources.
http://twitter.com/mvert13/status/27375899311
Quote from: mvert13@injuryexpert @Jared_Blitz like who?
http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/27376106896
Quote from: injuryexpert@mvert13 Oh let me hand over my confidential sources. That's a good plan ... cmon.
To which he added: "snort."
Tool.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 14, 2010, 10:24:28 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 14, 2010, 09:42:44 PM
Quote from: Night Man on October 14, 2010, 06:54:57 PM
Quote from: PenPho on October 14, 2010, 04:02:11 PM
Quade to manage, Ryno to be bench coach? (http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/27375218492)
Fixed. (http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/27380040223)
What a fucking turd.
http://twitter.com/Jared_Blitz/status/27375404742
Quote from: Jared_Blitz@injuryexpert where are you hearing that from?
http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/27375849699
Quote from: injuryexpert@Jared_Blitz Sources.
http://twitter.com/mvert13/status/27375899311
Quote from: mvert13@injuryexpert @Jared_Blitz like who?
http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/27376106896
Quote from: injuryexpert@mvert13 Oh let me hand over my confidential sources. That's a good plan ... cmon.
To which he added: "snort."
Tool.
Did he adjust his glasses when he snorted?
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on October 14, 2010, 10:39:32 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 14, 2010, 10:24:28 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 14, 2010, 09:42:44 PM
Quote from: Night Man on October 14, 2010, 06:54:57 PM
Quote from: PenPho on October 14, 2010, 04:02:11 PM
Quade to manage, Ryno to be bench coach? (http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/27375218492)
Fixed. (http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/27380040223)
What a fucking turd.
http://twitter.com/Jared_Blitz/status/27375404742
Quote from: Jared_Blitz@injuryexpert where are you hearing that from?
http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/27375849699
Quote from: injuryexpert@Jared_Blitz Sources.
http://twitter.com/mvert13/status/27375899311
Quote from: mvert13@injuryexpert @Jared_Blitz like who?
http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/27376106896
Quote from: injuryexpert@mvert13 Oh let me hand over my confidential sources. That's a good plan ... cmon.
To which he added: "snort."
Tool.
Did he adjust his glasses when he snorted?
I just did.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on October 14, 2010, 11:08:47 PM
Quote from: Tinker to Evers to Chance on October 14, 2010, 10:39:32 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 14, 2010, 10:24:28 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 14, 2010, 09:42:44 PM
Quote from: Night Man on October 14, 2010, 06:54:57 PM
Quote from: PenPho on October 14, 2010, 04:02:11 PM
Quade to manage, Ryno to be bench coach? (http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/27375218492)
Fixed. (http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/27380040223)
What a fucking turd.
http://twitter.com/Jared_Blitz/status/27375404742
Quote from: Jared_Blitz@injuryexpert where are you hearing that from?
http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/27375849699
Quote from: injuryexpert@Jared_Blitz Sources.
http://twitter.com/mvert13/status/27375899311
Quote from: mvert13@injuryexpert @Jared_Blitz like who?
http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/27376106896
Quote from: injuryexpert@mvert13 Oh let me hand over my confidential sources. That's a good plan ... cmon.
To which he added: "snort."
Tool.
Did he adjust his glasses when he snorted?
I just did.
Ditto.
Wow, twitter war is all kinds of buttfucking gay.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 14, 2010, 04:57:11 PM
Why the fuck would you hire a bench coach with no big league coaching experience? I know the answer. I shouldn't have phrased that as a question.
I'm really hoping'd
Quote from: Yeti on October 15, 2010, 09:28:17 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 14, 2010, 04:57:11 PM
Why the fuck would you hire a bench coach with no big league coaching experience? I know the answer. I shouldn't have phrased that as a question.
I'm really hoping'd
I'm not saying it's the right answer but it's an answer. Just hire Ryno to coach third base/infield and see if Castro learns how to receive the throw from catcher in the right spot. If so: Win.
This should have been posted here. http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5703131
QuoteThe Chicago Cubs removed the interim tag from Mike Quade and named him the manager with a two-year deal and a club option for 2013, the team announced Tuesday.
Quote from: morpheus on October 19, 2010, 11:27:50 AM
This should have been posted here. http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5703131
QuoteThe Chicago Cubs removed the interim tag from Mike Quade and named him the manager with a two-year deal and a club option for 2013, the team announced Tuesday.
Works for me.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on October 19, 2010, 11:28:51 AM
Quote from: morpheus on October 19, 2010, 11:27:50 AM
This should have been posted here. http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5703131
QuoteThe Chicago Cubs removed the interim tag from Mike Quade and named him the manager with a two-year deal and a club option for 2013, the team announced Tuesday.
Works for me.
Any word if Carroll was correct about Sandberg being the bench coach
I'm good with it. Had they somehow managed to land Girardi, it would cost them some astronomical figure that the next GM would be saddled with. Now, they can fire Hendry and if the new guy likes Quade, yay. If he doesn't...
But I hope Quade wins four World Series championships in a row with teh Cubs.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 19, 2010, 11:31:14 AM
I'm good with it. Had they somehow managed to land Girardi, it would cost them some astronomical figure that the next GM would be saddled with. Now, they can fire Hendry and if the new guy likes Quade, yay. If he doesn't...
But I hope Quade wins four World Series championships in a row with teh Cubs.
I like the move too. He's competent and the upgrade to Girardi is probably not worth the cheddar considering the financial shithole this team is in. Here's hoping the hairless weirdo is a winnar.
(http://membres.lycos.fr/marsetsf/tr/quato_29.jpg)
I don't hate this at all.
Quote from: R-V on October 19, 2010, 11:36:33 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 19, 2010, 11:31:14 AM
I'm good with it. Had they somehow managed to land Girardi, it would cost them some astronomical figure that the next GM would be saddled with. Now, they can fire Hendry and if the new guy likes Quade, yay. If he doesn't...
But I hope Quade wins four World Series championships in a row with teh Cubs.
I like the move too. He's competent and the upgrade to Girardi is probably not worth the cheddar considering the financial shithole this team is in. Here's hoping the hairless weirdo is a winnar.
(http://membres.lycos.fr/marsetsf/tr/quato_29.jpg)
BC's against it.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on October 19, 2010, 11:44:03 AM
Quote from: R-V on October 19, 2010, 11:36:33 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 19, 2010, 11:31:14 AM
I'm good with it. Had they somehow managed to land Girardi, it would cost them some astronomical figure that the next GM would be saddled with. Now, they can fire Hendry and if the new guy likes Quade, yay. If he doesn't...
But I hope Quade wins four World Series championships in a row with teh Cubs.
I like the move too. He's competent and the upgrade to Girardi is probably not worth the cheddar considering the financial shithole this team is in. Here's hoping the hairless weirdo is a winnar.
(http://membres.lycos.fr/marsetsf/tr/quato_29.jpg)
BC's against it.
Link?
I'm pretty happy about it. It's as happy as I've been about a Cubs move in a long time.
This only serves to remind me of the drunken conversation my friends and I had in a Pittsburgh (Yep, that's right) hotel room when we went to see a few games at PNC a couple of years ago. It was with Quade's girlfriend. She was a sexy old cougar who told us that Fuky loves his Marlboro Reds and that Quade doesn't have a single hair on his entire body. It was...gross.
I'm on board, as long as he doesn't teach Starlin lessons by benching him for long periods of time.
Quote from: Slaky on October 19, 2010, 11:51:24 AM
I'm pretty happy about it. It's as happy as I've been about a Cubs move in a long time.
This only serves to remind me of the drunken conversation my friends and I had in a Pittsburgh (Yep, that's right) hotel room when we went to see a few games at PNC a couple of years ago. It was with Quade's girlfriend. She was a sexy old cougar who told us that Fuky loves his Marlboro Reds and that Quade doesn't have a single hair on his entire body. It was...gross.
I was just wondering about this - is Quade the first hairless manager in baseball history? Maybe TJ can weigh in on this historical query.
Quote from: R-V on October 19, 2010, 12:18:29 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 19, 2010, 11:51:24 AM
I'm pretty happy about it. It's as happy as I've been about a Cubs move in a long time.
This only serves to remind me of the drunken conversation my friends and I had in a Pittsburgh (Yep, that's right) hotel room when we went to see a few games at PNC a couple of years ago. It was with Quade's girlfriend. She was a sexy old cougar who told us that Fuky loves his Marlboro Reds and that Quade doesn't have a single hair on his entire body. It was...gross.
I was just wondering about this - is Quade the first hairless manager in baseball history? Maybe TJ can weigh in on this historical query.
Not sure where one would look to confirm this, but let's assume it's true.
I'm a little surprised they gave him a 2-year contract. If Hendry's fired at any point this year, it doesn't look good for Quade.
Quote from: Brownie on October 19, 2010, 01:47:17 PM
Quote from: R-V on October 19, 2010, 12:18:29 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 19, 2010, 11:51:24 AM
I'm pretty happy about it. It's as happy as I've been about a Cubs move in a long time.
This only serves to remind me of the drunken conversation my friends and I had in a Pittsburgh (Yep, that's right) hotel room when we went to see a few games at PNC a couple of years ago. It was with Quade's girlfriend. She was a sexy old cougar who told us that Fuky loves his Marlboro Reds and that Quade doesn't have a single hair on his entire body. It was...gross.
I was just wondering about this - is Quade the first hairless manager in baseball history? Maybe TJ can weigh in on this historical query.
Not sure where one would look to confirm this, but let's assume it's true.
I'm a little surprised they gave him a 2-year contract. If Hendry's fired at any point this year, it doesn't look good for Quade.
Unless they're 11 games over .500 and looking like a sure bet to get swept in the first round of the upcoming NLDS.
Quote from: Brownie on October 19, 2010, 01:47:17 PM
I'm a little surprised they gave him a 2-year contract. If Hendry's fired at any point this year, it doesn't look good for Quade.
I'm not. It makes perfect sense. Why tie a replacement for Hendry into ANOTHER long term contract? And what was Quade gonna do? Ask for more? He has no leverage whatsoever.
Hendry was just given another year to try to fix the third mess he created.
Quote from: Slaky on October 19, 2010, 11:51:24 AM
I'm pretty happy about it. It's as happy as I've been about a Cubs move in a long time.
This only serves to remind me of the drunken conversation my friends and I had in a Pittsburgh (Yep, that's right) hotel room when we went to see a few games at PNC a couple of years ago. It was with Quade's girlfriend. She was a sexy old cougar who told us that Fuky loves his Marlboro Reds and that Quade doesn't have a single hair on his entire body. It was...gross.
Toward the end of the week, when columnists, have run out of relevant things to write about, you can expect to see this show up in the Sun-Times.
Quote from: Brownie on October 19, 2010, 01:47:17 PM
Quote from: R-V on October 19, 2010, 12:18:29 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 19, 2010, 11:51:24 AM
I'm pretty happy about it. It's as happy as I've been about a Cubs move in a long time.
This only serves to remind me of the drunken conversation my friends and I had in a Pittsburgh (Yep, that's right) hotel room when we went to see a few games at PNC a couple of years ago. It was with Quade's girlfriend. She was a sexy old cougar who told us that Fuky loves his Marlboro Reds and that Quade doesn't have a single hair on his entire body. It was...gross.
I was just wondering about this - is Quade the first hairless manager in baseball history? Maybe TJ can weigh in on this historical query.
Not sure where one would look to confirm this, but let's assume it's true.
I'm a little surprised they gave him a 2-year contract. If Hendry's fired at any point this year, it doesn't look good for Quade.
Quade's in a tough spot. The team will not be good, the GM is probably on his last chance, and the inevitable bad start to the year will lead to the meatheads bemoaning the missing out on Sandberg.
I like the fact that the Cubs made a smart hire here, but it should have been done with a new GM.
Quote from: R-V on October 19, 2010, 12:18:29 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 19, 2010, 11:51:24 AM
I'm pretty happy about it. It's as happy as I've been about a Cubs move in a long time.
This only serves to remind me of the drunken conversation my friends and I had in a Pittsburgh (Yep, that's right) hotel room when we went to see a few games at PNC a couple of years ago. It was with Quade's girlfriend. She was a sexy old cougar who told us that Fuky loves his Marlboro Reds and that Quade doesn't have a single hair on his entire body. It was...gross.
I was just wondering about this - is Quade the first hairless manager in baseball history? Maybe TJ can weigh in on this historical query.
Probably, except for the ones who went through chemo.
Quote from: Canadouche on October 19, 2010, 05:57:54 PM
Quote from: R-V on October 19, 2010, 12:18:29 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 19, 2010, 11:51:24 AM
I'm pretty happy about it. It's as happy as I've been about a Cubs move in a long time.
This only serves to remind me of the drunken conversation my friends and I had in a Pittsburgh (Yep, that's right) hotel room when we went to see a few games at PNC a couple of years ago. It was with Quade's girlfriend. She was a sexy old cougar who told us that Fuky loves his Marlboro Reds and that Quade doesn't have a single hair on his entire body. It was...gross.
I was just wondering about this - is Quade the first hairless manager in baseball history? Maybe TJ can weigh in on this historical query.
Probably, except for the ones who went through chemo.
Leave it to Kurt to take all the hilarity out of cancer.
Quote from: R-V on October 19, 2010, 12:18:29 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 19, 2010, 11:51:24 AM
I'm pretty happy about it. It's as happy as I've been about a Cubs move in a long time.
This only serves to remind me of the drunken conversation my friends and I had in a Pittsburgh (Yep, that's right) hotel room when we went to see a few games at PNC a couple of years ago. It was with Quade's girlfriend. She was a sexy old cougar who told us that Fuky loves his Marlboro Reds and that Quade doesn't have a single hair on his entire body. It was...gross.
I was just wondering about this - is Quade the first hairless manager in baseball history? Maybe TJ can weigh in on this historical query.
I think Stan Sitwell did a short stint with the Rangers in the late 70s.
Quote from: Shooter on October 19, 2010, 07:53:11 PM
Quote from: R-V on October 19, 2010, 12:18:29 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 19, 2010, 11:51:24 AM
I'm pretty happy about it. It's as happy as I've been about a Cubs move in a long time.
This only serves to remind me of the drunken conversation my friends and I had in a Pittsburgh (Yep, that's right) hotel room when we went to see a few games at PNC a couple of years ago. It was with Quade's girlfriend. She was a sexy old cougar who told us that Fuky loves his Marlboro Reds and that Quade doesn't have a single hair on his entire body. It was...gross.
I was just wondering about this - is Quade the first hairless manager in baseball history? Maybe TJ can weigh in on this historical query.
I think Stan Sitwell did a short stint with the Rangers in the late 70s.
That's pretty funny because Ed Begley played a hairless guy named Sitwell on Arrested Development. Do you think it was based on that Rangers player?
Bump. Ron Sandbags not gonna hai.
QuoteTheo says new guy must have managerial or coaching experience at the major-league level. Those words rule out Sandberg.
Bobby Cox
Quote from: R-V on November 02, 2011, 01:47:43 PM
Bump. Ron Sandbags not gonna hai.
QuoteTheo says new guy must have managerial or coaching experience at the major-league level. Those words rule out Sandberg.
Linkationalism?
I hear Vines on Clark has a nice selection of red wine plus some tasty vegetarian entrees.
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 02, 2011, 01:49:33 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 02, 2011, 01:47:43 PM
Bump. Ron Sandbags not gonna hai.
QuoteTheo says new guy must have managerial or coaching experience at the major-league level. Those words rule out Sandberg.
Linkationalism?
https://twitter.com/#!/BruceMiles2112/status/131804373822091264
Quote from: R-V on November 02, 2011, 02:26:14 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 02, 2011, 01:49:33 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 02, 2011, 01:47:43 PM
Bump. Ron Sandbags not gonna hai.
QuoteTheo says new guy must have managerial or coaching experience at the major-league level. Those words rule out Sandberg.
MorphLinkationalism?
https://twitter.com/#!/BruceMiles2112/status/131804373822091264
Let's raid a third team and get Maddon. GET IT DONE THEO
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 02, 2011, 03:32:47 PM
Let's raid a third team and get Maddon. GET IT DONE THEO
Or at least his commanding glasses.
(http://imgur.com/rQRQJ.jpg)
*Theo bait.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 02, 2011, 03:48:16 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 02, 2011, 03:32:47 PM
Let's raid a third team and get Maddon. GET IT DONE THEO
Or at least his commanding glasses.
(http://imgur.com/rQRQJ.jpg)
*Theo bait.
Ryno has the wrong product from the right store if he wants to buy the job from Epstein. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=worZ2V5mtvE)
Mackanin and Mike Maddux are the first confirmed interviews. Cubs look like they're moving quickly. Anyone else excited about the possibility of Mike Maddux?
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2011, 01:42:48 PM
Mackanin and Mike Maddux are the first confirmed interviews. Cubs look like they're moving quickly. Anyone else excited about the possibility of Mike Maddux?
I don't *hate* the possibility of Mike Maddux. Which is about as close as I can get to excited, I think.
Quote from: Bort on November 03, 2011, 01:51:58 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2011, 01:42:48 PM
Mackanin and Mike Maddux are the first confirmed interviews. Cubs look like they're moving quickly. Anyone else excited about the possibility of Mike Maddux?
I don't *hate* the possibility of Mike Maddux. Which is about as close as I can get to excited, I think.
I'm fully prepared for my reaction to the managerial hire to be, "Okay, I don't really know anything about this guy, but let's assume Theo and Hoyer know what they're doing."
Quote from: PenPho on November 03, 2011, 02:38:11 PM
Quote from: Bort on November 03, 2011, 01:51:58 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2011, 01:42:48 PM
Mackanin and Mike Maddux are the first confirmed interviews. Cubs look like they're moving quickly. Anyone else excited about the possibility of Mike Maddux?
I don't *hate* the possibility of Mike Maddux. Which is about as close as I can get to excited, I think.
I'm fully prepared for my reaction to the managerial hire to be, "Okay, I don't really know anything about this guy, but let's assume Theo and Hoyer know what they're doing."
You don't know who mike maddux is?
Quote from: BH on November 03, 2011, 02:54:48 PM
Quote from: PenPho on November 03, 2011, 02:38:11 PM
Quote from: Bort on November 03, 2011, 01:51:58 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2011, 01:42:48 PM
Mackanin and Mike Maddux are the first confirmed interviews. Cubs look like they're moving quickly. Anyone else excited about the possibility of Mike Maddux?
I don't *hate* the possibility of Mike Maddux. Which is about as close as I can get to excited, I think.
I'm fully prepared for my reaction to the managerial hire to be, "Okay, I don't really know anything about this guy, but let's assume Theo and Hoyer know what they're doing."
You don't know who mike maddux is?
rotoworld told BH that mike maddux is probably the brother of greg maddux or john maddon.
Quote from: PenPho on November 03, 2011, 02:38:11 PM
Quote from: Bort on November 03, 2011, 01:51:58 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 03, 2011, 01:42:48 PM
Mackanin and Mike Maddux are the first confirmed interviews. Cubs look like they're moving quickly. Anyone else excited about the possibility of Mike Maddux?
I don't *hate* the possibility of Mike Maddux. Which is about as close as I can get to excited, I think.
I'm fully prepared for my reaction to the managerial hire to be, "Okay, I don't really know anything about this guy, but let's assume Theo and Hoyer know what they're doing."
I'm gonna wait to hear Billy Corgan's take before I make up my mind.
I think I'd rather have Maddux as pitching coach. But I'm in the "I guess Theo & Hoyer know what they're doing" camp.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on November 03, 2011, 06:16:10 PM
I think I'd rather have Maddux as pitching coach. But I'm in the "I guess Theo & Hoyer know what they're doing" camp.
I am in the "What the hell difference will it make? These are the Cubs." camp.
Quote from: CBStew on November 03, 2011, 07:42:13 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on November 03, 2011, 06:16:10 PM
I think I'd rather have Maddux as pitching coach. But I'm in the "I guess Theo & Hoyer know what they're doing" camp.
I am in the "What the hell difference will it make? These are the Cubs." camp.
The Hendry Era really did a number on you, huh?
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 03, 2011, 09:27:00 PM
Quote from: CBStew on November 03, 2011, 07:42:13 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on November 03, 2011, 06:16:10 PM
I think I'd rather have Maddux as pitching coach. But I'm in the "I guess Theo & Hoyer know what they're doing" camp.
I am in the "What the hell difference will it make? These are the Cubs." camp.
The Hendry P.K. Wrigley Era really did a number on you, huh?
More probable.
Quote from: Bort on November 03, 2011, 09:36:00 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 03, 2011, 09:27:00 PM
Quote from: CBStew on November 03, 2011, 07:42:13 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on November 03, 2011, 06:16:10 PM
I think I'd rather have Maddux as pitching coach. But I'm in the "I guess Theo & Hoyer know what they're doing" camp.
I am in the "What the hell difference will it make? These are the Cubs." camp.
The Hendry P.K. Wrigley Era really did a number on you, huh?
More probable.
When Charlie Grimm was the manager he also served as the third base coach. He invented a lot of gag signals for the batter. My favorite was when he flapped his arms like a giant bird and hopped back and forth in the third base box. That was the only time I went to baseball games to watch the manager manage.
Quote from: CBStew on November 03, 2011, 10:42:39 PM
Quote from: Bort on November 03, 2011, 09:36:00 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 03, 2011, 09:27:00 PM
Quote from: CBStew on November 03, 2011, 07:42:13 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on November 03, 2011, 06:16:10 PM
I think I'd rather have Maddux as pitching coach. But I'm in the "I guess Theo & Hoyer know what they're doing" camp.
I am in the "What the hell difference will it make? These are the Cubs." camp.
The Hendry P.K. Wrigley Era really did a number on you, huh?
More probable.
When Charlie Grimm was the manager he also served as the third base coach. He invented a lot of gag signals for the batter. My favorite was when he flapped his arms like a giant bird and hopped back and forth in the third base box. That was the only time I went to baseball games to watch the manager manage.
JOLLY CHOLLY!
Quote from: CT III on November 03, 2011, 10:44:58 PM
Quote from: CBStew on November 03, 2011, 10:42:39 PM
Quote from: Bort on November 03, 2011, 09:36:00 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 03, 2011, 09:27:00 PM
Quote from: CBStew on November 03, 2011, 07:42:13 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on November 03, 2011, 06:16:10 PM
I think I'd rather have Maddux as pitching coach. But I'm in the "I guess Theo & Hoyer know what they're doing" camp.
I am in the "What the hell difference will it make? These are the Cubs." camp.
The Hendry P.K. Wrigley Era really did a number on you, huh?
More probable.
When Charlie Grimm was the manager he also served as the third base coach. He invented a lot of gag signals for the batter. My favorite was when he flapped his arms like a giant bird and hopped back and forth in the third base box. That was the only time I went to baseball games to watch the manager manage.
JOLLY CHOLLY!
Did he play his banjo at all while coaching 3rd? That would have been fun.
Ken Rosenthal wrote a column (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/new-york-yankees-manager-joe-girardi-has-many-offseason-options-091213) in which he reminded Joe Girardi that he is, in fact, Joe Girardi at least eight times.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2dkxouo.png)
Anyway, Rosenthal speculates whether the Cubs might eject DALES WAME with one year left if Girardi hits the open market.
Can't say it's impossible; it's certainly more likely than Robinson Cano (FYC). Or maybe they right the Sandberg wrong. Or they let Dale chew his way through another season and get arrested after he strangles Starlin Castro to death at shortstop next August. All plausible outcomes (except Sandberg, give it up buddy).
Is Dale managing the club next year? Not that it matters who steers this shitty ship until the farm kids are ready.
Next year, Baez and Bryant will both show up at some point. If Ephoystink doesn't have confidence in him as a guy who can being those guys along, it has to be addressed. If there's a manager they love that becomes available, that's another thing. But he gave them the record they expected. He won't get fired for that.
DATS WHEN SANTBERT COMES BACK MY FRENT!
Quote from: Fork on September 15, 2013, 10:27:32 PM
Next year, Baez and Bryant will both show up at some point. If Ephoystink doesn't have confidence in him as a guy who can being those guys along, it has to be addressed. If there's a manager they love that becomes available, that's another thing. But he gave them the record they expected. He won't get fired for that.
Do you think he's at all responsible for the backward steps taken by Castro, Rizzo, and FIREBARN this year?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 16, 2013, 12:55:28 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 15, 2013, 10:27:32 PM
Next year, Baez and Bryant will both show up at some point. If Ephoystink doesn't have confidence in him as a guy who can being those guys along, it has to be addressed. If there's a manager they love that becomes available, that's another thing. But he gave them the record they expected. He won't get fired for that.
Do you think he's at all responsible for the backward steps taken by Castro, Rizzo, and FIREBARN this year?
The organization is trying to break down & rebuild Castro and Rizzo, getting them better at working pitch counts. Hopefully these are still works in progress and they haven't screwed them up. As for Geyser, I think his forward step last year was a fluke. I was hoping they were going to sell high on him.
Quote from: Fork on September 16, 2013, 10:04:28 AM
The organization is trying to break down & rebuild Castro and Rizzo, getting them better at working pitch counts.
Yes on Castro, but Rizzo? Not sure. He was drafted by Theo and Jed, traded to Jed and then re-aquired by Theo and Jed. The bulk of his career has been under their tutelage and taught by coaches hired by Theo and/or Jed.
If they have to break him down, it's only because they screwed him up in the beginning.
I don't think they are breaking him down. I think Rizzo is just having a sophomore slump and is, long term, a 5 or 6 hitter on a very good team. I don't think his "regression" (take a look at his BABIP (http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=3473&position=1B&page=7&type=full)) is that awful and, moreover, says anything about Sveum as a manager.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 16, 2013, 10:29:42 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 16, 2013, 10:04:28 AM
The organization is trying to break down & rebuild Castro and Rizzo, getting them better at working pitch counts.
Yes on Castro, but Rizzo? Not sure. He was drafted by Theo and Jed, traded to Jed and then re-aquired by Theo and Jed. The bulk of his career has been under their tutelage and taught by coaches hired by Theo and/or Jed.
If they have to break him down, it's only because they screwed him up in the beginning.
I don't think they are breaking him down. I think Rizzo is just having a sophomore slump and is, long term, a 5 or 6 hitter on a very good team. I don't think his "regression" (take a look at his BABIP (http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=3473&position=1B&page=7&type=full)) is that awful and, moreover, says anything about Sveum as a manager.
I agree with Chuck.
Quote from: Internet Apex on September 16, 2013, 11:07:11 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 16, 2013, 10:29:42 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 16, 2013, 10:04:28 AM
The organization is trying to break down & rebuild Castro and Rizzo, getting them better at working pitch counts.
Yes on Castro, but Rizzo? Not sure. He was drafted by Theo and Jed, traded to Jed and then re-aquired by Theo and Jed. The bulk of his career has been under their tutelage and taught by coaches hired by Theo and/or Jed.
If they have to break him down, it's only because they screwed him up in the beginning.
I don't think they are breaking him down. I think Rizzo is just having a sophomore slump and is, long term, a 5 or 6 hitter on a very good team. I don't think his "regression" (take a look at his BABIP (http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=3473&position=1B&page=7&type=full)) is that awful and, moreover, says anything about Sveum as a manager.
I agree with Chuck.
I agree with Chuck and Apex.
Can you believe I just typed this?
Quote from: Bort on September 16, 2013, 11:22:57 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on September 16, 2013, 11:07:11 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 16, 2013, 10:29:42 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 16, 2013, 10:04:28 AM
The organization is trying to break down & rebuild Castro and Rizzo, getting them better at working pitch counts.
Yes on Castro, but Rizzo? Not sure. He was drafted by Theo and Jed, traded to Jed and then re-aquired by Theo and Jed. The bulk of his career has been under their tutelage and taught by coaches hired by Theo and/or Jed.
If they have to break him down, it's only because they screwed him up in the beginning.
I don't think they are breaking him down. I think Rizzo is just having a sophomore slump and is, long term, a 5 or 6 hitter on a very good team. I don't think his "regression" (take a look at his BABIP (http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=3473&position=1B&page=7&type=full)) is that awful and, moreover, says anything about Sveum as a manager.
I agree with Chuck.
I agree with Chuck and Apex.
Can you believe I just typed this?
My work here is done.
Quote from: Fork on September 16, 2013, 10:04:28 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 16, 2013, 12:55:28 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 15, 2013, 10:27:32 PM
Next year, Baez and Bryant will both show up at some point. If Ephoystink doesn't have confidence in him as a guy who can being those guys along, it has to be addressed. If there's a manager they love that becomes available, that's another thing. But he gave them the record they expected. He won't get fired for that.
Do you think he's at all responsible for the backward steps taken by Castro, Rizzo, and FIREBARN this year?
The organization is trying to break down & rebuild Castro and Rizzo, getting them better at working pitch counts. Hopefully these are still works in progress and they haven't screwed them up. As for Geyser, I think his forward step last year was a fluke. I was hoping they were going to sell high on him.
I still think Samardzija is for real. Probably not as for-real as he was early in the season, but all the peripherals back up his numbers from last year. And they've pretty much held steady this year, too. My baseless hunch is just that he's tired and has just faded in the last few weeks.
Quote from: Eli on September 16, 2013, 01:09:35 PM
I still think Samardzija is for real.
Not me. His two years as a starter:
G GS GF CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP ERA+ WHIP
58 58 0 3 1 369.1 349 181 170 43 128 4 375 11 97 1.292I think he's an ERA+ 100 pitcher. He's also 29 next January, so he should be peaking right about now.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 16, 2013, 02:25:54 PM
I think he's an ERA+ 100 pitcher.
So, what you're saying is that all of your exhaustive research of the data in front of you tells you that Samardzija is a league average pitcher.
Which means he's bringing his team a solid 2+ wins above replacement every season as a starter. Which marginal wins, in turn, could cost a team upwards of $10MM per year to replace in free agency.
Sounds like a bargain at a salary of a mere $2.64MM per!
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on September 16, 2013, 03:17:35 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 16, 2013, 02:25:54 PM
I think he's an ERA+ 100 pitcher.
So, what you're saying is that all of your exhaustive research of the data in front of you tells you that Samardzija is a league average pitcher.
Which means he's bringing his team a solid 2+ wins above replacement every season as a starter. Which marginal wins, in turn, could cost a team upwards of $10MM per year to replace in free agency.
Sounds like a bargain at a salary of a mere $2.64MM per!
You got there before me. League average (with upside to be better than that) is still pretty valuable and, at age 29-next-January, he's still reasonably young for a pitcher.
Edit: "Reasonably young" probably isn't accurate. "Not old" would probably be a better phrasing.
I'd still prefer he end up in a mysterious barn-related arson.
Quote from: Eli on September 16, 2013, 03:28:46 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on September 16, 2013, 03:17:35 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 16, 2013, 02:25:54 PM
I think he's an ERA+ 100 pitcher.
So, what you're saying is that all of your exhaustive research of the data in front of you tells you that Samardzija is a league average pitcher.
Which means he's bringing his team a solid 2+ wins above replacement every season as a starter. Which marginal wins, in turn, could cost a team upwards of $10MM per year to replace in free agency.
Sounds like a bargain at a salary of a mere $2.64MM per!
You got there before me. League average (with upside to be better than that) is still pretty valuable and, at age 29-next-January, he's still reasonably young for a pitcher.
Edit: "Reasonably young" probably isn't accurate. "Not old" would probably be a better phrasing.
I think he's fine as a #4 or #5 on a good team. And at his current price, he's fine. He may be passed his prime trading opportunity.
And he's not a 2WAR guy this year. He's 0.6 (per BBR), down from 1.8 in 2012.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 16, 2013, 04:33:18 PM
Quote from: Eli on September 16, 2013, 03:28:46 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on September 16, 2013, 03:17:35 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 16, 2013, 02:25:54 PM
I think he's an ERA+ 100 pitcher.
So, what you're saying is that all of your exhaustive research of the data in front of you tells you that Samardzija is a league average pitcher.
Which means he's bringing his team a solid 2+ wins above replacement every season as a starter. Which marginal wins, in turn, could cost a team upwards of $10MM per year to replace in free agency.
Sounds like a bargain at a salary of a mere $2.64MM per!
You got there before me. League average (with upside to be better than that) is still pretty valuable and, at age 29-next-January, he's still reasonably young for a pitcher.
Edit: "Reasonably young" probably isn't accurate. "Not old" would probably be a better phrasing.
I think he's fine as a #4 or #5 on a good team. And at his current price, he's fine. He may be passed his prime trading opportunity.
And he's not a 2WAR guy this year. He's 0.6 (per BBR), down from 1.8 in 2012.
2.5 wins on Fangraphs. BR uses ERA to calculate theirs while Fangraphs uses FIP (I believe). Since Samardzija's been a little unlucky in the ERA department this year, the BR metric dings him.
I think it's reasonable to assume he can be a 2-3 win pitcher over the next few years. Which, as Thrill said, is easily worth at least $10 million a year.
Quote from: Eli on September 16, 2013, 05:23:47 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 16, 2013, 04:33:18 PM
Quote from: Eli on September 16, 2013, 03:28:46 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on September 16, 2013, 03:17:35 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 16, 2013, 02:25:54 PM
I think he's an ERA+ 100 pitcher.
So, what you're saying is that all of your exhaustive research of the data in front of you tells you that Samardzija is a league average pitcher.
Which means he's bringing his team a solid 2+ wins above replacement every season as a starter. Which marginal wins, in turn, could cost a team upwards of $10MM per year to replace in free agency.
Sounds like a bargain at a salary of a mere $2.64MM per!
You got there before me. League average (with upside to be better than that) is still pretty valuable and, at age 29-next-January, he's still reasonably young for a pitcher.
Edit: "Reasonably young" probably isn't accurate. "Not old" would probably be a better phrasing.
I think he's fine as a #4 or #5 on a good team. And at his current price, he's fine. He may be passed his prime trading opportunity.
And he's not a 2WAR guy this year. He's 0.6 (per BBR), down from 1.8 in 2012.
2.5 wins on Fangraphs. BR uses ERA to calculate theirs while Fangraphs uses FIP (I believe). Since Samardzija's been a little unlucky in the ERA department this year, the BR metric dings him.
I think it's reasonable to assume he can be a 2-3 win pitcher over the next few years. Which, as Thrill said, is easily worth at least $10 million a year.
I don't know about all these fancy stats, but I hope Samardzija can win more than 2-3 games over the next few years.
Whatever Jeff Samardzija is able to achieve over the next few years, I'd be just as happy if it happens elsewhere.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 16, 2013, 04:33:18 PM
And he's not a 2WAR guy this year. He's 0.6 (per BBR), down from 1.8 in 2012.
As Eli notes, different statfags use different component stats to calculate their versions of WAR, so value numbers are going to vary from site to site.
Here, for sake of completeness, are the Geyser's valuations from Baseball Reference (bWAR), FanGraphs (fWAR) and Baseball Prospectus (WARP) for 2012 and 2013 to date:
bWAR fWAR WARP
2012 1.8 3.0 2.7
2013 0.6 2.5 2.3But, even forgoing all of that, way to move the fucking goalposts.
Yes, per B-R he's not a 2 WAR guy this year. He's not a 100 ERA+ guy this year, either.
So I don't know why his 2013 numbers alone are suddenly the WAR yardstick when
you're the one saying that your ample data and research suggests that he's a 100 ERA+ guy going forward.
100 ERA+ is league average by definition. I assume you knew that when posting, and that that was why you picked 100 as your well-considered projection.
Well, an "average" starter offers a team something in the ballpark of 2 marginal wins above replacement level. Non-normal distributions. Long tails. All that jazz.
And, lo and behold, guess who had an ERA+ of just over 100 last season (107) to go with that bWAR of nearly 2 (1.8).
Fancy that.
So, are we saying the Samardzija should not be the next manager?
Because I support that.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on September 16, 2013, 05:50:04 PM
So I don't know why his 2013 numbers alone are suddenly the WAR yardstick when you're the one saying that your ample data and research suggests that he's a 100 ERA+ guy going forward.
One year?
Must be that New Trier Math program.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 16, 2013, 10:23:39 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on September 16, 2013, 05:50:04 PM
So I don't know why his 2013 numbers alone are suddenly the WAR yardstick when you're the one saying that your ample data and research suggests that he's a 100 ERA+ guy going forward.
One year?
You tell me...
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 16, 2013, 04:33:18 PM
And he's not a 2WAR guy this year. He's 0.6 (per BBR), down from 1.8 in 2012.
What's your point here, Chuck?
Quote from: PenFoe on September 16, 2013, 06:04:20 PM
So, are we saying the Samardzija should not be the next manager?
Because I support that.
Charlie Weis, then?
Back to the original point of Sveum being the manager in 2014 and possibly beyond that, how can his managing be quantified? Would a reincarnation of Rube Foster or John McGraw have gotten any more out of this team? Probably not. Sveum got 2 untouchables and saw his roster get gutted at the deadline again.
Next season the Cubs will see Baez show up once the Cubs can get another year of arbitration out of him. Bryant will show up as well. Hendricks could make the team in the spring, and Iowa will have some decent young arms that could get called up at varying times. I'd say if the Cubs are still stuck in 90-loss territory next season for any reason other than a rash of injuries, Sveum is doing all he or any other manager can.
Quote from: Fork on September 17, 2013, 01:24:06 PM
Back to the original point of Sveum being the manager in 2014 and possibly beyond that, how can his managing be quantified? Would a reincarnation of Rube Foster or John McGraw have gotten any more out of this team? Probably not. Sveum got 2 untouchables and saw his roster get gutted at the deadline again.
Who have been pretty disappointing, which hasn't helped.
To your original point, I don't even really think about Sveum as the manager because I view him as entirely inconsequential. As long as he's not harming players (though maybe he's played some role in Castro's problems?), I don't see any harm in letting him stick around until the team is good again in 2-10 years.
Quote from: Fork on September 17, 2013, 01:24:06 PM
Back to the original point of Sveum being the manager in 2014 and possibly beyond that, how can his managing be quantified? Would a reincarnation of Rube Foster or John McGraw have gotten any more out of this team? Probably not. Sveum got 2 untouchables and saw his roster get gutted at the deadline again.
Next season the Cubs will see Baez show up once the Cubs can get another year of arbitration out of him. Bryant will show up as well. Hendricks could make the team in the spring, and Iowa will have some decent young arms that could get called up at varying times. I'd say if the Cubs are still stuck in 90-loss territory next season for any reason other than a rash of injuries, Sveum is doing all he or any other manager can.
The last thing the Cubs need to add to the roster is fat chicks.
Quote from: PenFoe on September 17, 2013, 01:43:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 17, 2013, 01:24:06 PM
Back to the original point of Sveum being the manager in 2014 and possibly beyond that, how can his managing be quantified? Would a reincarnation of Rube Foster or John McGraw have gotten any more out of this team? Probably not. Sveum got 2 untouchables and saw his roster get gutted at the deadline again.
Next season the Cubs will see Baez show up once the Cubs can get another year of arbitration out of him. Bryant will show up as well. Hendricks could make the team in the spring, and Iowa will have some decent young arms that could get called up at varying times. I'd say if the Cubs are still stuck in 90-loss territory next season for any reason other than a rash of injuries, Sveum is doing all he or any other manager can.
The last thing the Cubs need to add to the roster is fat chicks.
I wouldn't say it's the last thing.
Quote from: PenFoe on September 17, 2013, 01:43:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 17, 2013, 01:24:06 PM
Back to the original point of Sveum being the manager in 2014 and possibly beyond that, how can his managing be quantified? Would a reincarnation of Rube Foster or John McGraw have gotten any more out of this team? Probably not. Sveum got 2 untouchables and saw his roster get gutted at the deadline again.
Next season the Cubs will see Baez show up once the Cubs can get another year of arbitration out of him. Bryant will show up as well. Hendricks could make the team in the spring, and Iowa will have some decent young arms that could get called up at varying times. I'd say if the Cubs are still stuck in 90-loss territory next season for any reason other than a rash of injuries, Sveum is doing all he or any other manager can.
The last thing the Cubs need to add to the roster is fat chicks.
Rick Reuschel was pretty good.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 17, 2013, 03:11:25 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 17, 2013, 01:43:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 17, 2013, 01:24:06 PM
Back to the original point of Sveum being the manager in 2014 and possibly beyond that, how can his managing be quantified? Would a reincarnation of Rube Foster or John McGraw have gotten any more out of this team? Probably not. Sveum got 2 untouchables and saw his roster get gutted at the deadline again.
Next season the Cubs will see Baez show up once the Cubs can get another year of arbitration out of him. Bryant will show up as well. Hendricks could make the team in the spring, and Iowa will have some decent young arms that could get called up at varying times. I'd say if the Cubs are still stuck in 90-loss territory next season for any reason other than a rash of injuries, Sveum is doing all he or any other manager can.
The last thing the Cubs need to add to the roster is fat chicks.
Rick Reuschel was pretty good.
Noach Uck.
Quote from: PenFoe on September 17, 2013, 01:43:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 17, 2013, 01:24:06 PM
Back to the original point of Sveum being the manager in 2014 and possibly beyond that, how can his managing be quantified? Would a reincarnation of Rube Foster or John McGraw have gotten any more out of this team? Probably not. Sveum got 2 untouchables and saw his roster get gutted at the deadline again.
Next season the Cubs will see Baez show up once the Cubs can get another year of arbitration out of him. Bryant will show up as well. Hendricks could make the team in the spring, and Iowa will have some decent young arms that could get called up at varying times. I'd say if the Cubs are still stuck in 90-loss territory next season for any reason other than a rash of injuries, Sveum is doing all he or any other manager can.
The last thing the Cubs need to add to the roster is fat chicks.
So, not Charlie Weis then?
Quote from: Internet Apex on September 17, 2013, 03:20:17 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 17, 2013, 03:11:25 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 17, 2013, 01:43:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 17, 2013, 01:24:06 PM
Back to the original point of Sveum being the manager in 2014 and possibly beyond that, how can his managing be quantified? Would a reincarnation of Rube Foster or John McGraw have gotten any more out of this team? Probably not. Sveum got 2 untouchables and saw his roster get gutted at the deadline again.
Next season the Cubs will see Baez show up once the Cubs can get another year of arbitration out of him. Bryant will show up as well. Hendricks could make the team in the spring, and Iowa will have some decent young arms that could get called up at varying times. I'd say if the Cubs are still stuck in 90-loss territory next season for any reason other than a rash of injuries, Sveum is doing all he or any other manager can.
The last thing the Cubs need to add to the roster is fat chicks.
Rick Reuschel was pretty good.
Noach Uck.
I read this three times, slower each time, until I realized the joke.
And I still laughed. Well played.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 15, 2013, 12:48:16 AM
Ken Rosenthal wrote a column (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/new-york-yankees-manager-joe-girardi-has-many-offseason-options-091213) in which he reminded Joe Girardi that he is, in fact, Joe Girardi at least eight times.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2dkxouo.png)
Anyway, Rosenthal speculates whether the Cubs might eject DALES WAME with one year left if Girardi hits the open market.
Can't say it's impossible; it's certainly more likely than Robinson Cano (FYC). Or maybe they right the Sandberg wrong. Or they let Dale chew his way through another season and get arrested after he strangles Starlin Castro to death at shortstop next August. All plausible outcomes (except Sandberg, give it up buddy).
Is Dale managing the club next year? Not that it matters who steers this shitty ship until the farm kids are ready.
Is Dale managing the club next year? NOPE. So it's Girardi or a Joe Maddon or someone at that same level. Otherwise why eat the rest of Dale's deal.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 30, 2013, 11:33:50 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 15, 2013, 12:48:16 AM
Ken Rosenthal wrote a column (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/new-york-yankees-manager-joe-girardi-has-many-offseason-options-091213) in which he reminded Joe Girardi that he is, in fact, Joe Girardi at least eight times.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2dkxouo.png)
Anyway, Rosenthal speculates whether the Cubs might eject DALES WAME with one year left if Girardi hits the open market.
Can't say it's impossible; it's certainly more likely than Robinson Cano (FYC). Or maybe they right the Sandberg wrong. Or they let Dale chew his way through another season and get arrested after he strangles Starlin Castro to death at shortstop next August. All plausible outcomes (except Sandberg, give it up buddy).
Is Dale managing the club next year? Not that it matters who steers this shitty ship until the farm kids are ready.
Is Dale managing the club next year? NOPE. So it's Girardi or a Joe Maddon or someone at that same level. Otherwise why eat the rest of Dale's deal.
Mike Scioscia. He was rumored to be off to Chavez Ravine, then to Philly, but the Dodgers and Ryno scuttled those dreams. Scioscia should be able to get 3 years out of the Cubs in time for them to axe him and BRING IN DAT RYNE SANDBURG GUY! By then, I expect Bob Melvin to be generally managing the Cubs with Al Yellon as social media consultant.
Quote from: Brownie on September 30, 2013, 11:38:17 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 30, 2013, 11:33:50 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 15, 2013, 12:48:16 AM
Ken Rosenthal wrote a column (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/new-york-yankees-manager-joe-girardi-has-many-offseason-options-091213) in which he reminded Joe Girardi that he is, in fact, Joe Girardi at least eight times.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2dkxouo.png)
Anyway, Rosenthal speculates whether the Cubs might eject DALES WAME with one year left if Girardi hits the open market.
Can't say it's impossible; it's certainly more likely than Robinson Cano (FYC). Or maybe they right the Sandberg wrong. Or they let Dale chew his way through another season and get arrested after he strangles Starlin Castro to death at shortstop next August. All plausible outcomes (except Sandberg, give it up buddy).
Is Dale managing the club next year? Not that it matters who steers this shitty ship until the farm kids are ready.
Is Dale managing the club next year? NOPE. So it's Girardi or a Joe Maddon or someone at that same level. Otherwise why eat the rest of Dale's deal.
Mike Scioscia. He was rumored to be off to Chavez Ravine, then to Philly, but the Dodgers and Ryno scuttled those dreams. Scioscia should be able to get 3 years out of the Cubs in time for them to axe him and BRING IN DAT RYNE SANDBURG GUY! By then, I expect Bob Melvin to be generally managing the Cubs with Al Yellon as social media consultant.
Todd as part owner, Jepstink in the front office, and the king of small ball behind the wheel. That sitcom's got WGN syndication written all over it.
If the front office wants us to accept the fact that entire seasons can be thrown away for the sake of the "future", then why does it matter who the manager is? Sveum's firing is an irrational act. Totally out of character for Epstein/Hoyer.
Quote from: CBStew on September 30, 2013, 02:08:26 PM
If the front office wants us to accept the fact that entire seasons can be thrown away for the sake of the "future", then why does it matter who the manager is? Sveum's firing is an irrational act. Totally out of character for Epstein/Hoyer.
We were having this very conversation in the SBox (I know, crazy right??) and basically it seems like Hoystein must believe that Sveum is not the guy to nurturing the young guys and helping them get to the next level (or some shit like that.)
If so, I think this is the right move, but then it's a really bad evaluation job in the first place, since this was always the most important trait of what they were hiring for (in addition to someone that could lose 100 games a season without taking an axe to someone.)
That said, having made more than one bad hire in the past, I'm willing to overlook this as long as they keep stockpiling the team with young talent.
Quote from: PenFoe on September 30, 2013, 02:14:46 PM
Quote from: CBStew on September 30, 2013, 02:08:26 PM
If the front office wants us to accept the fact that entire seasons can be thrown away for the sake of the "future", then why does it matter who the manager is? Sveum's firing is an irrational act. Totally out of character for Epstein/Hoyer.
We were having this very conversation in the SBox (I know, crazy right??) and basically it seems like Hoystein must believe that Sveum is not the guy to nurturing the young guys and helping them get to the next level (or some shit like that.)
If so, I think this is the right move, but then it's a really bad evaluation job in the first place, since this was always the most important trait of what they were hiring for (in addition to someone that could lose 100 games a season without taking an axe to someone.)
That said, having made more than one bad hire in the past, I'm willing to overlook this as long as they keep stockpiling the team with young talent.
I hope Girardi is offered the job, but he needs a week to decide, so the Cubs decide they can't wait, and we're stuck with Don Baylor.
H/T: TEC
Quote from: PenFoe on September 30, 2013, 02:14:46 PM
Quote from: CBStew on September 30, 2013, 02:08:26 PM
If the front office wants us to accept the fact that entire seasons can be thrown away for the sake of the "future", then why does it matter who the manager is? Sveum's firing is an irrational act. Totally out of character for Epstein/Hoyer.
We were having this very conversation in the SBox (I know, crazy right??) and basically it seems like Hoystein must believe that Sveum is not the guy to nurturing the young guys and helping them get to the next level (or some shit like that.)
If so, I think this is the right move, but then it's a really bad evaluation job in the first place, since this was always the most important trait of what they were hiring for (in addition to someone that could lose 100 games a season without taking an axe to someone.)
That said, having made more than one bad hire in the past, I'm willing to overlook this as long as they keep stockpiling the team with young talent.
The other possibility is that the guy they want is available now and won't be available later.
Quote from: Yeti on September 30, 2013, 02:23:41 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 30, 2013, 02:14:46 PM
Quote from: CBStew on September 30, 2013, 02:08:26 PM
If the front office wants us to accept the fact that entire seasons can be thrown away for the sake of the "future", then why does it matter who the manager is? Sveum's firing is an irrational act. Totally out of character for Epstein/Hoyer.
We were having this very conversation in the SBox (I know, crazy right??) and basically it seems like Hoystein must believe that Sveum is not the guy to nurturing the young guys and helping them get to the next level (or some shit like that.)
If so, I think this is the right move, but then it's a really bad evaluation job in the first place, since this was always the most important trait of what they were hiring for (in addition to someone that could lose 100 games a season without taking an axe to someone.)
That said, having made more than one bad hire in the past, I'm willing to overlook this as long as they keep stockpiling the team with young talent.
I hope Girardi is offered the job, but he needs a week to decide, so the Cubs decide they can't wait, and we're stuck with Don Baylor.
H/T: TEC
Intrepid Reader: Huey, Eli, Thrill, etc. You know, not ALL SBox jokes just naturally translate here.
Quote from: PenFoe on September 30, 2013, 02:26:51 PM
Quote from: Yeti on September 30, 2013, 02:23:41 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 30, 2013, 02:14:46 PM
Quote from: CBStew on September 30, 2013, 02:08:26 PM
If the front office wants us to accept the fact that entire seasons can be thrown away for the sake of the "future", then why does it matter who the manager is? Sveum's firing is an irrational act. Totally out of character for Epstein/Hoyer.
We were having this very conversation in the SBox (I know, crazy right??) and basically it seems like Hoystein must believe that Sveum is not the guy to nurturing the young guys and helping them get to the next level (or some shit like that.)
If so, I think this is the right move, but then it's a really bad evaluation job in the first place, since this was always the most important trait of what they were hiring for (in addition to someone that could lose 100 games a season without taking an axe to someone.)
That said, having made more than one bad hire in the past, I'm willing to overlook this as long as they keep stockpiling the team with young talent.
I hope Girardi is offered the job, but he needs a week to decide, so the Cubs decide they can't wait, and we're stuck with Don Baylor.
H/T: TEC
Intrepid Reader: Huey, Eli, Thrill, etc.
You know, not ALL SBox jokes just naturally translate here.
I think Yeti has proven many times that he does not know that.
Quote from: CBStew on September 30, 2013, 02:08:26 PM
If the front office wants us to accept the fact that entire seasons can be thrown away for the sake of the "future", then why does it matter who the manager is? Sveum's firing is an irrational act. Totally out of character for Epstein/Hoyer.
Unless he lost his clubhouse. Neither Kevin Gregg nor Edwin Jackson have ever lost their shit at managers like that before. If you've got an environment where veterans like that are blasting their manager, you don't want to bring young guys into that.
Sveum took a roster where anybody who wasn't part of the long term plan that could be traded was, and Jepstink knew they were playing for a draft slot. Whatever rationale there was for firing Sveum wasn't predicated on wins and losses.
Quote from: Eli on September 30, 2013, 02:35:21 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 30, 2013, 02:26:51 PM
Quote from: Yeti on September 30, 2013, 02:23:41 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 30, 2013, 02:14:46 PM
Quote from: CBStew on September 30, 2013, 02:08:26 PM
If the front office wants us to accept the fact that entire seasons can be thrown away for the sake of the "future", then why does it matter who the manager is? Sveum's firing is an irrational act. Totally out of character for Epstein/Hoyer.
We were having this very conversation in the SBox (I know, crazy right??) and basically it seems like Hoystein must believe that Sveum is not the guy to nurturing the young guys and helping them get to the next level (or some shit like that.)
If so, I think this is the right move, but then it's a really bad evaluation job in the first place, since this was always the most important trait of what they were hiring for (in addition to someone that could lose 100 games a season without taking an axe to someone.)
That said, having made more than one bad hire in the past, I'm willing to overlook this as long as they keep stockpiling the team with young talent.
I hope Girardi is offered the job, but he needs a week to decide, so the Cubs decide they can't wait, and we're stuck with Don Baylor.
H/T: TEC
Intrepid Reader: Huey, Eli, Thrill, etc.
You know, not ALL SBox jokes just naturally translate here.
I think Yeti has proven many times that he does not know that.
I just enjoy the frustration of those non-SBoxers (WTF are you doing all day??) when SBox shit comes over here.
Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2013, 02:41:05 PM
Quote from: CBStew on September 30, 2013, 02:08:26 PM
If the front office wants us to accept the fact that entire seasons can be thrown away for the sake of the "future", then why does it matter who the manager is? Sveum's firing is an irrational act. Totally out of character for Epstein/Hoyer.
Unless he lost his clubhouse. Neither Kevin Gregg nor Edwin Jackson have ever lost their shit at managers like that before. If you've got an environment where veterans like that are blasting their manager, you don't want to bring young guys into that.
Sveum took a roster where anybody who wasn't part of the long term plan that could be traded was, and Jepstink knew they were playing for a draft slot. Whatever rationale there was for firing Sveum wasn't predicated on wins and losses.
Congrats on being the first person to suggest Sveum was fired because he upset kevin gregg.
Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2013, 02:41:05 PM
Quote from: CBStew on September 30, 2013, 02:08:26 PM
If the front office wants us to accept the fact that entire seasons can be thrown away for the sake of the "future", then why does it matter who the manager is? Sveum's firing is an irrational act. Totally out of character for Epstein/Hoyer.
Unless he lost his clubhouse. Neither Kevin Gregg nor Edwin Jackson have ever lost their shit at managers like that before. If you've got an environment where veterans like that are blasting their manager, you don't want to bring young guys into that.
Sveum took a roster where anybody who wasn't part of the long term plan that could be traded was, and Jepstink knew they were playing for a draft slot. Whatever rationale there was for firing Sveum wasn't predicated on wins and losses.
You know, it could also be that the guy they want is available now but won't be later.
Quote from: Internet Apex on September 30, 2013, 03:32:39 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2013, 02:41:05 PM
Quote from: CBStew on September 30, 2013, 02:08:26 PM
If the front office wants us to accept the fact that entire seasons can be thrown away for the sake of the "future", then why does it matter who the manager is? Sveum's firing is an irrational act. Totally out of character for Epstein/Hoyer.
Unless he lost his clubhouse. Neither Kevin Gregg nor Edwin Jackson have ever lost their shit at managers like that before. If you've got an environment where veterans like that are blasting their manager, you don't want to bring young guys into that.
Sveum took a roster where anybody who wasn't part of the long term plan that could be traded was, and Jepstink knew they were playing for a draft slot. Whatever rationale there was for firing Sveum wasn't predicated on wins and losses.
You know, it could also be that the guy they want is available now but won't be later.
I haven't read that anywhere.
Quote from: CBStew on September 30, 2013, 02:08:26 PM
If the front office wants us to accept the fact that entire seasons can be thrown away for the sake of the "future", then why does it matter who the manager is? Sveum's firing is an irrational act. Totally out of character for Epstein/Hoyer.
It's a very rational act if they think they can get Joe Girardi, or Mike Scioscia, or another highly-qualified, experienced, successful manager who they're satisfied can do a better job of developing all of their young talent during the critical next few years -- and win with them -- than Sveum could have done.
Here's Theo's explanation. (http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs-talk/sveum-out-cubs-manager) You can decide for yourself if you buy it or not, but it doesn't strike me as irrational.
Quote"I have a lot of admiration for Dale personally, and we all learned a lot from the way he has handled the trying circumstances of the last two years, especially the last two weeks, with strength and dignity," Epstein said in a statement.
"In his own authentic and understated way, Dale always put the team first and never complained about the hand he was dealt. He and his staff helped us excel in game planning and defensive positioning, contributed to the emergence of several players, and helped put us in position to make some important trades. I have no doubt that – much like Terry Francona, whom we hired in Boston after his stint with a losing Phillies club – Dale will go on to great success with his next team. We had hoped Dale would grow with our organization to see it through the building phase to a period of sustained excellence; instead, I believe Dale, who felt the weight of losing perhaps more than any of us, will grow because of this experience and find excellence elsewhere."
"Today’s decision to pursue a new manager was not made because of wins and losses," Epstein continued. "Our record is a function of our long-term building plan and the moves we have made – some good, a few we would like back – to further this strategy. Jed and I take full responsibility for that. Today’s decision was absolutely not made to provide a scapegoat for our shortcomings or to distract from our biggest issue – a shortage of talent at the major league level. We have been transparent about what we are, and what we are not yet. Today’s decision, which was painful for all of us, was made to move us closer to fulfilling our ultimate long-term vision for the Cubs.
"Soon, our organization will transition from a phase in which we have been primarily acquiring young talent to a phase in which we will promote many of our best prospects and actually field a very young, very talented club at the major league level. The losing has been hard on all of us, but we now have one of the top farm systems in baseball, some of the very best prospects in the game, and a clear path forward. In order for us to win with this group – and win consistently – we must have the best possible environment for young players to learn, develop and thrive at the major league level. We must have clear and cohesive communication with our players about the most important parts of the game. And – even while the organization takes a patient, long view – we must somehow establish and maintain a galvanized, winning culture around the major league club.
"I believe a dynamic new voice – and the energy, creativity and freshness that comes with this type of change – provides us with the best opportunity to achieve the major league environment we seek. We will begin our search immediately – a process which will be completed before the GM meetings in early November and perhaps much sooner. There are no absolute criteria, but we will prioritize managerial or other on-field leadership experience and we will prioritize expertise developing young talent. We have not yet contacted any candidates or asked permission to speak with any candidates, but that process will begin tomorrow morning."
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 30, 2013, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: CBStew on September 30, 2013, 02:08:26 PM
If the front office wants us to accept the fact that entire seasons can be thrown away for the sake of the "future", then why does it matter who the manager is? Sveum's firing is an irrational act. Totally out of character for Epstein/Hoyer.
It's a very rational act if they think they can get Joe Girardi, or Mike Scioscia, or another highly-qualified, experienced, successful manager who they're satisfied can do a better job of developing all of their young talent during the critical next few years -- and win with them -- than Sveum could have done.
Here's Theo's explanation. (http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs-talk/sveum-out-cubs-manager) You can decide for yourself if you buy it or not, but it doesn't strike me as irrational.
Quote"I have a lot of admiration for Dale personally, and we all learned a lot from the way he has handled the trying circumstances of the last two years, especially the last two weeks, with strength and dignity," Epstein said in a statement.
"In his own authentic and understated way, Dale always put the team first and never complained about the hand he was dealt. He and his staff helped us excel in game planning and defensive positioning, contributed to the emergence of several players, and helped put us in position to make some important trades. I have no doubt that – much like Terry Francona, whom we hired in Boston after his stint with a losing Phillies club – Dale will go on to great success with his next team. We had hoped Dale would grow with our organization to see it through the building phase to a period of sustained excellence; instead, I believe Dale, who felt the weight of losing perhaps more than any of us, will grow because of this experience and find excellence elsewhere."
"Today's decision to pursue a new manager was not made because of wins and losses," Epstein continued. "Our record is a function of our long-term building plan and the moves we have made – some good, a few we would like back – to further this strategy. Jed and I take full responsibility for that. Today's decision was absolutely not made to provide a scapegoat for our shortcomings or to distract from our biggest issue – a shortage of talent at the major league level. We have been transparent about what we are, and what we are not yet. Today's decision, which was painful for all of us, was made to move us closer to fulfilling our ultimate long-term vision for the Cubs.
"Soon, our organization will transition from a phase in which we have been primarily acquiring young talent to a phase in which we will promote many of our best prospects and actually field a very young, very talented club at the major league level. The losing has been hard on all of us, but we now have one of the top farm systems in baseball, some of the very best prospects in the game, and a clear path forward. In order for us to win with this group – and win consistently – we must have the best possible environment for young players to learn, develop and thrive at the major league level. We must have clear and cohesive communication with our players about the most important parts of the game. And – even while the organization takes a patient, long view – we must somehow establish and maintain a galvanized, winning culture around the major league club.
"I believe a dynamic new voice – and the energy, creativity and freshness that comes with this type of change – provides us with the best opportunity to achieve the major league environment we seek. We will begin our search immediately – a process which will be completed before the GM meetings in early November and perhaps much sooner. There are no absolute criteria, but we will prioritize managerial or other on-field leadership experience and we will prioritize expertise developing young talent. We have not yet contacted any candidates or asked permission to speak with any candidates, but that process will begin tomorrow morning."
In all due respect, Shakespeare said it pretty well:
"It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing." — Macbeth (Act 5, Scene 5, lines 17-28)
Quote from: CBStew on September 30, 2013, 04:03:23 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 30, 2013, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: CBStew on September 30, 2013, 02:08:26 PM
If the front office wants us to accept the fact that entire seasons can be thrown away for the sake of the "future", then why does it matter who the manager is? Sveum's firing is an irrational act. Totally out of character for Epstein/Hoyer.
It's a very rational act if they think they can get Joe Girardi, or Mike Scioscia, or another highly-qualified, experienced, successful manager who they're satisfied can do a better job of developing all of their young talent during the critical next few years -- and win with them -- than Sveum could have done.
Here's Theo's explanation. (http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs-talk/sveum-out-cubs-manager) You can decide for yourself if you buy it or not, but it doesn't strike me as irrational.
Quote"I have a lot of admiration for Dale personally, and we all learned a lot from the way he has handled the trying circumstances of the last two years, especially the last two weeks, with strength and dignity," Epstein said in a statement.
"In his own authentic and understated way, Dale always put the team first and never complained about the hand he was dealt. He and his staff helped us excel in game planning and defensive positioning, contributed to the emergence of several players, and helped put us in position to make some important trades. I have no doubt that – much like Terry Francona, whom we hired in Boston after his stint with a losing Phillies club – Dale will go on to great success with his next team. We had hoped Dale would grow with our organization to see it through the building phase to a period of sustained excellence; instead, I believe Dale, who felt the weight of losing perhaps more than any of us, will grow because of this experience and find excellence elsewhere."
"Today's decision to pursue a new manager was not made because of wins and losses," Epstein continued. "Our record is a function of our long-term building plan and the moves we have made – some good, a few we would like back – to further this strategy. Jed and I take full responsibility for that. Today's decision was absolutely not made to provide a scapegoat for our shortcomings or to distract from our biggest issue – a shortage of talent at the major league level. We have been transparent about what we are, and what we are not yet. Today's decision, which was painful for all of us, was made to move us closer to fulfilling our ultimate long-term vision for the Cubs.
"Soon, our organization will transition from a phase in which we have been primarily acquiring young talent to a phase in which we will promote many of our best prospects and actually field a very young, very talented club at the major league level. The losing has been hard on all of us, but we now have one of the top farm systems in baseball, some of the very best prospects in the game, and a clear path forward. In order for us to win with this group – and win consistently – we must have the best possible environment for young players to learn, develop and thrive at the major league level. We must have clear and cohesive communication with our players about the most important parts of the game. And – even while the organization takes a patient, long view – we must somehow establish and maintain a galvanized, winning culture around the major league club.
"I believe a dynamic new voice – and the energy, creativity and freshness that comes with this type of change – provides us with the best opportunity to achieve the major league environment we seek. We will begin our search immediately – a process which will be completed before the GM meetings in early November and perhaps much sooner. There are no absolute criteria, but we will prioritize managerial or other on-field leadership experience and we will prioritize expertise developing young talent. We have not yet contacted any candidates or asked permission to speak with any candidates, but that process will begin tomorrow morning."
In all due respect, Shakespeare said it pretty well:
"It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing." — Macbeth (Act 5, Scene 5, lines 17-28)
Okay then.
Quote from: CBStew on September 30, 2013, 04:03:23 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 30, 2013, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: CBStew on September 30, 2013, 02:08:26 PM
If the front office wants us to accept the fact that entire seasons can be thrown away for the sake of the "future", then why does it matter who the manager is? Sveum's firing is an irrational act. Totally out of character for Epstein/Hoyer.
It's a very rational act if they think they can get Joe Girardi, or Mike Scioscia, or another highly-qualified, experienced, successful manager who they're satisfied can do a better job of developing all of their young talent during the critical next few years -- and win with them -- than Sveum could have done.
Here's Theo's explanation. (http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs-talk/sveum-out-cubs-manager) You can decide for yourself if you buy it or not, but it doesn't strike me as irrational.
Quote"I have a lot of admiration for Dale personally, and we all learned a lot from the way he has handled the trying circumstances of the last two years, especially the last two weeks, with strength and dignity," Epstein said in a statement.
"In his own authentic and understated way, Dale always put the team first and never complained about the hand he was dealt. He and his staff helped us excel in game planning and defensive positioning, contributed to the emergence of several players, and helped put us in position to make some important trades. I have no doubt that – much like Terry Francona, whom we hired in Boston after his stint with a losing Phillies club – Dale will go on to great success with his next team. We had hoped Dale would grow with our organization to see it through the building phase to a period of sustained excellence; instead, I believe Dale, who felt the weight of losing perhaps more than any of us, will grow because of this experience and find excellence elsewhere."
"Today's decision to pursue a new manager was not made because of wins and losses," Epstein continued. "Our record is a function of our long-term building plan and the moves we have made – some good, a few we would like back – to further this strategy. Jed and I take full responsibility for that. Today's decision was absolutely not made to provide a scapegoat for our shortcomings or to distract from our biggest issue – a shortage of talent at the major league level. We have been transparent about what we are, and what we are not yet. Today's decision, which was painful for all of us, was made to move us closer to fulfilling our ultimate long-term vision for the Cubs.
"Soon, our organization will transition from a phase in which we have been primarily acquiring young talent to a phase in which we will promote many of our best prospects and actually field a very young, very talented club at the major league level. The losing has been hard on all of us, but we now have one of the top farm systems in baseball, some of the very best prospects in the game, and a clear path forward. In order for us to win with this group – and win consistently – we must have the best possible environment for young players to learn, develop and thrive at the major league level. We must have clear and cohesive communication with our players about the most important parts of the game. And – even while the organization takes a patient, long view – we must somehow establish and maintain a galvanized, winning culture around the major league club.
"I believe a dynamic new voice – and the energy, creativity and freshness that comes with this type of change – provides us with the best opportunity to achieve the major league environment we seek. We will begin our search immediately – a process which will be completed before the GM meetings in early November and perhaps much sooner. There are no absolute criteria, but we will prioritize managerial or other on-field leadership experience and we will prioritize expertise developing young talent. We have not yet contacted any candidates or asked permission to speak with any candidates, but that process will begin tomorrow morning."
In all due respect, Shakespeare said it pretty well:
"It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing." — Macbeth (Act 5, Scene 5, lines 17-28)
Or it could signify that they already have found the guy they want and that he may be available now but not later.
Quote from: BH on September 30, 2013, 03:09:07 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2013, 02:41:05 PM
Quote from: CBStew on September 30, 2013, 02:08:26 PM
If the front office wants us to accept the fact that entire seasons can be thrown away for the sake of the "future", then why does it matter who the manager is? Sveum's firing is an irrational act. Totally out of character for Epstein/Hoyer.
Unless he lost his clubhouse. Neither Kevin Gregg nor Edwin Jackson have ever lost their shit at managers like that before. If you've got an environment where veterans like that are blasting their manager, you don't want to bring young guys into that.
Sveum took a roster where anybody who wasn't part of the long term plan that could be traded was, and Jepstink knew they were playing for a draft slot. Whatever rationale there was for firing Sveum wasn't predicated on wins and losses.
Congrats on being the first person to suggest Sveum was fired because he upset kevin gregg.
Not Gregg per se, just a couple veteran players who have never done this sort of thing before.
Quote from: CBStew on September 30, 2013, 04:03:23 PM
In all due respect, Shakespeare said it pretty well:
"It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing." — Macbeth (Act 5, Scene 5, lines 17-28)
Sveum is
dead now?
QuoteUp in horsey heaven, here's the thing
You trade your legs for angels wings
And once we've all said good-bye
You take a running leap and you learn to fly
Out, out, brief candle!
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on September 30, 2013, 04:44:14 PM
Quote from: CBStew on September 30, 2013, 04:03:23 PM
In all due respect, Shakespeare said it pretty well:
"It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing." — Macbeth (Act 5, Scene 5, lines 17-28)
Sveum is dead now?
QuoteUp in horsey heaven, here's the thing
You trade your legs for angels wings
And once we've all said good-bye
You take a running leap and you learn to fly
Out, out, brief candle!
"Things without all remedy Should be without regard: what's done, is done."
Macbeth, Act 3, scene 2.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on September 30, 2013, 04:44:14 PM
Quote from: CBStew on September 30, 2013, 04:03:23 PM
In all due respect, Shakespeare said it pretty well:
"It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing." — Macbeth (Act 5, Scene 5, lines 17-28)
Sveum is dead now?
QuoteUp in horsey heaven, here's the thing
You trade your legs for angels wings
And once we’ve all said good-bye
You take a running leap and you learn to fly
Out, out, brief candle!
Dale Sveum, you're FIVE THOUSAND candles in the wind!
P.S. Thanks to you posting those lyrics, or I wouldn't have found this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps-29jQ-G18).
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 30, 2013, 06:12:43 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on September 30, 2013, 04:44:14 PM
Quote from: CBStew on September 30, 2013, 04:03:23 PM
In all due respect, Shakespeare said it pretty well:
"It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing." — Macbeth (Act 5, Scene 5, lines 17-28)
Sveum is dead now?
QuoteUp in horsey heaven, here's the thing
You trade your legs for angels wings
And once we've all said good-bye
You take a running leap and you learn to fly
Out, out, brief candle!
"Things without all remedy Should be without regard: what's done, is done."
Macbeth, Act 3, scene 2.
"COME AT ME, BRO!"
—Macbeth, Act 5, Scene 8, line 33
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on September 30, 2013, 06:57:33 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 30, 2013, 06:12:43 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on September 30, 2013, 04:44:14 PM
Quote from: CBStew on September 30, 2013, 04:03:23 PM
In all due respect, Shakespeare said it pretty well:
"It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing." — Macbeth (Act 5, Scene 5, lines 17-28)
Sveum is dead now?
QuoteUp in horsey heaven, here's the thing
You trade your legs for angels wings
And once we've all said good-bye
You take a running leap and you learn to fly
Out, out, brief candle!
"Things without all remedy Should be without regard: what's done, is done."
Macbeth, Act 3, scene 2.
"COME AT ME, BRO!"
—Macbeth, Act 5, Scene 8, line 33
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers"
Henry the Sixth, Part II, IV, ii
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on September 30, 2013, 06:57:33 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 30, 2013, 06:12:43 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on September 30, 2013, 04:44:14 PM
Quote from: CBStew on September 30, 2013, 04:03:23 PM
In all due respect, Shakespeare said it pretty well:
"It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing." — Macbeth (Act 5, Scene 5, lines 17-28)
Sveum is dead now?
QuoteUp in horsey heaven, here's the thing
You trade your legs for angels wings
And once we've all said good-bye
You take a running leap and you learn to fly
Out, out, brief candle!
"Things without all remedy Should be without regard: what's done, is done."
Macbeth, Act 3, scene 2.
"COME AT ME, BRO!"
—Macbeth, Act 5, Scene 8, line 33
(Kinda sorta) Checks out.
Quote
MACBETH
I will not yield,
28 To kiss the ground before young Malcolm's feet,
29 And to be baited with the rabble's curse.
30 Though Birnam wood be come to Dunsinane,
31 And thou opposed, being of no woman born,
32 Yet I will try the last. Before my body
33 I throw my warlike shield. Lay on, Macduff,
34 And damn'd be him that first cries, "Hold, enough!"
Quote from: ChuckD on September 30, 2013, 08:46:24 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on September 30, 2013, 06:57:33 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 30, 2013, 06:12:43 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on September 30, 2013, 04:44:14 PM
Quote from: CBStew on September 30, 2013, 04:03:23 PM
In all due respect, Shakespeare said it pretty well:
"It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing." — Macbeth (Act 5, Scene 5, lines 17-28)
Sveum is dead now?
QuoteUp in horsey heaven, here's the thing
You trade your legs for angels wings
And once we've all said good-bye
You take a running leap and you learn to fly
Out, out, brief candle!
"Things without all remedy Should be without regard: what's done, is done."
Macbeth, Act 3, scene 2.
"COME AT ME, BRO!"
—Macbeth, Act 5, Scene 8, line 33
(Kinda sorta) Checks out.
Quote
MACBETH
I will not yield,
28 To kiss the ground before young Malcolm's feet,
29 And to be baited with the rabble's curse.
30 Though Birnam wood be come to Dunsinane,
31 And thou opposed, being of no woman born,
32 Yet I will try the last. Before my body
33 I throw my warlike shield. Lay on, Macduff,
34 And damn'd be him that first cries, "Hold, enough!"
I understand that Danny McBride's version is in production as we speak.
Quote from: ChuckD on September 30, 2013, 08:46:24 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on September 30, 2013, 06:57:33 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 30, 2013, 06:12:43 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on September 30, 2013, 04:44:14 PM
Quote from: CBStew on September 30, 2013, 04:03:23 PM
In all due respect, Shakespeare said it pretty well:
"It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing." — Macbeth (Act 5, Scene 5, lines 17-28)
Sveum is dead now?
QuoteUp in horsey heaven, here's the thing
You trade your legs for angels wings
And once we've all said good-bye
You take a running leap and you learn to fly
Out, out, brief candle!
"Things without all remedy Should be without regard: what's done, is done."
Macbeth, Act 3, scene 2.
"COME AT ME, BRO!"
—Macbeth, Act 5, Scene 8, line 33
(Kinda sorta) Checks out.
Quote
MACBETH
I will not yield,
28 To kiss the ground before young Malcolm's feet,
29 And to be baited with the rabble's curse.
30 Though Birnam wood be come to Dunsinane,
31 And thou opposed, being of no woman born,
32 Yet I will try the last. Before my body
33 I throw my warlike shield. Lay on, Macduff,
34 And damn'd be him that first cries, "Hold, enough!"
(http://i.imgur.com/pHjeSxB.jpg)
"Hell is empty and all the devils are here."
-The Tempest.
"And if you listen very hard
The tune will come to you at last.
When we all are one and one is all
To be a rock and not to roll."
- Led Zeppelin IV, part 1, Act 4, Scene 7
"Take this job and shove it"
-Johnny Paycheck
"A tropical moon, a sleepy lagoon, and two on an island" Harry James
Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2013, 11:44:53 PM
"Take this job and shove it"
-Johnny Paycheck David Allan Coe
Songwriter'd.
"She started talkin' shit. Wouldn't you know? Reached back like a pimp and slapped the ho."
~ Eazy-E Ice Cube
songwriter'd.
Quote from: Bort on October 01, 2013, 07:51:41 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2013, 11:44:53 PM
"Take this job and shove it"
-Johnny Paycheck David Allan Coe
Songwriter'd.
Who also loves robbing banks.
Quote from: Fork on October 01, 2013, 08:44:26 AM
Quote from: Bort on October 01, 2013, 07:51:41 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 30, 2013, 11:44:53 PM
"Take this job and shove it"
-Johnny Paycheck David Allan Coe
Songwriter'd.
Who also loves robbing banks.
Eazy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQdLPfUeWlo) loved it more.
In case anyone was wondering, Gordo still sucks.
Quote
Maybe a homecoming by Joe Girardi is exactly what the Cubs need two years into this 197-loss rebuilding process. Maybe he'll be the right manager at the right time to lay the groundwork for a farm load of young players to succeed and win in the next few years.
Or at least buy an attendance-hemorrhaging franchise a couple of more years of cover with the paying public, the way the hiring of team president Theo Epstein did two years ago.
Either way, they'd better get their man. They'd better get Girardi.
...
...
Failing to land the top free-agent manager available, who fits every criterion laid out by Epstein during a news conference Monday: That would be Strike 2.
THERE ISN'T EVEN A PLAN AT ALL, IS THERE THEO??
Quote from: PenFoe on October 01, 2013, 12:18:51 PM
In case anyone was wondering, Gordo still sucks.
Quote
Maybe a homecoming by Joe Girardi is exactly what the Cubs need two years into this 197-loss rebuilding process. Maybe he'll be the right manager at the right time to lay the groundwork for a farm load of young players to succeed and win in the next few years.
Or at least buy an attendance-hemorrhaging franchise a couple of more years of cover with the paying public, the way the hiring of team president Theo Epstein did two years ago.
Either way, they'd better get their man. They'd better get Girardi.
...
...
Failing to land the top free-agent manager available, who fits every criterion laid out by Epstein during a news conference Monday: That would be Strike 2.
THERE ISN'T EVEN A PLAN AT ALL, IS THERE THEO??
How about Casey Stengel? Sure, he is dead. But nobody is perfect.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 01, 2013, 12:18:51 PM
In case anyone was wondering, Gordo still sucks.
Quote
Maybe a homecoming by Joe Girardi is exactly what the Cubs need two years into this 197-loss rebuilding process. Maybe he'll be the right manager at the right time to lay the groundwork for a farm load of young players to succeed and win in the next few years.
Or at least buy an attendance-hemorrhaging franchise a couple of more years of cover with the paying public, the way the hiring of team president Theo Epstein did two years ago.
Either way, they'd better get their man. They'd better get Girardi.
...
...
Failing to land the top free-agent manager available, who fits every criterion laid out by Epstein during a news conference Monday: That would be Strike 2.
THERE ISN'T EVEN A PLAN AT ALL, IS THERE THEO??
I wish to Christ Gordo felt the same way about dinner as he did about the Cubs, since by now he'd be dead from trichinosis after eating raw pork chops.
Quote from: Fork on October 01, 2013, 12:29:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 01, 2013, 12:18:51 PM
In case anyone was wondering, Gordo still sucks.
Quote
Maybe a homecoming by Joe Girardi is exactly what the Cubs need two years into this 197-loss rebuilding process. Maybe he'll be the right manager at the right time to lay the groundwork for a farm load of young players to succeed and win in the next few years.
Or at least buy an attendance-hemorrhaging franchise a couple of more years of cover with the paying public, the way the hiring of team president Theo Epstein did two years ago.
Either way, they'd better get their man. They'd better get Girardi.
...
...
Failing to land the top free-agent manager available, who fits every criterion laid out by Epstein during a news conference Monday: That would be Strike 2.
THERE ISN'T EVEN A PLAN AT ALL, IS THERE THEO??
I wish to Christ Gordo felt the same way about dinner as he did about the Cubs, since by now he'd be dead from trichinosis after eating raw pork chops.
That seems both random and oddly specific.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 01, 2013, 12:18:51 PM
In case anyone was wondering, Gordo still sucks.
Quote
Maybe a homecoming by Joe Girardi is exactly what the Cubs need two years into this 197-loss rebuilding process. Maybe he'll be the right manager at the right time to lay the groundwork for a farm load of young players to succeed and win in the next few years.
Or at least buy an attendance-hemorrhaging franchise a couple of more years of cover with the paying public, the way the hiring of team president Theo Epstein did two years ago.
Either way, they'd better get their man. They'd better get Girardi.
...
...
Failing to land the top free-agent manager available, who fits every criterion laid out by Epstein during a news conference Monday: That would be Strike 2.
THERE ISN'T EVEN A PLAN AT ALL, IS THERE THEO??
1. How many strikes does Gordon get?
2. He really needs to bolster his clip portfolio.
Quote from: Eli on October 01, 2013, 12:34:21 PM
Quote from: Fork on October 01, 2013, 12:29:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 01, 2013, 12:18:51 PM
In case anyone was wondering, Gordo still sucks.
Quote
Maybe a homecoming by Joe Girardi is exactly what the Cubs need two years into this 197-loss rebuilding process. Maybe he'll be the right manager at the right time to lay the groundwork for a farm load of young players to succeed and win in the next few years.
Or at least buy an attendance-hemorrhaging franchise a couple of more years of cover with the paying public, the way the hiring of team president Theo Epstein did two years ago.
Either way, they'd better get their man. They'd better get Girardi.
...
...
Failing to land the top free-agent manager available, who fits every criterion laid out by Epstein during a news conference Monday: That would be Strike 2.
THERE ISN'T EVEN A PLAN AT ALL, IS THERE THEO??
I wish to Christ Gordo felt the same way about dinner as he did about the Cubs, since by now he'd be dead from trichinosis after eating raw pork chops.
That seems both random and oddly specific.
I have an accordion binder filled with Gordo death scenarios.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 01, 2013, 12:18:51 PM
In case anyone was wondering, Gordo still sucks.
Quote
Maybe a homecoming by Joe Girardi is exactly what the Cubs need two years into this 197-loss rebuilding process. Maybe he'll be the right manager at the right time to lay the groundwork for a farm load of young players to succeed and win in the next few years.
Or at least buy an attendance-hemorrhaging franchise a couple of more years of cover with the paying public, the way the hiring of team president Theo Epstein did two years ago.
Either way, they'd better get their man. They'd better get Girardi.
...
...
Failing to land the top free-agent manager available, who fits every criterion laid out by Epstein during a news conference Monday: That would be Strike 2.
THERE ISN'T EVEN A PLAN AT ALL, IS THERE THEO??
I don't really read the Sun-Times or Tribune proactively anymore - is Gordo a columnist now? I thought he was the beat writer in which case it'd be strange that he's editorializing so blatantly on the subject.
A.J. Hinch! (https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/385120321411358720)
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 30, 2013, 06:12:43 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on September 30, 2013, 04:44:14 PM
Quote from: CBStew on September 30, 2013, 04:03:23 PM
In all due respect, Shakespeare said it pretty well:
"It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing." — Macbeth (Act 5, Scene 5, lines 17-28)
Sveum is dead now?
QuoteUp in horsey heaven, here's the thing
You trade your legs for angels wings
And once we’ve all said good-bye
You take a running leap and you learn to fly
Out, out, brief candle!
"Things without all remedy Should be without regard: what's done, is done."
Macbeth, Act 3, scene 2.
"I give up. Now I realize fully what Mark Twain meant when he said, 'The more you explain it, the more I don't understand it.'"
Securities & Exchange Commission v. Chenery Corp., 332 U.S. 194 (1947) (JACKSON, J., dissenting)
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 01, 2013, 02:20:16 PM
A.J. Hinch! (https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/385120321411358720)
So...I never followed the D-Backs THAT closely when I lived in Arizona (did you guys know I lived there?) but I remember mostly unmitigated disaster. It was due largely in part to him having no experience and being perceived as the forced-upon hire by the nerds running the show (sound familiar?) and there was much rejoicing when Kirk Gibson was hired. The subsequent winning was also further evidence for the meatballs that nerds are bad managers, even if those guys used to play.
Really, I don't have much to add.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 01, 2013, 03:32:35 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 01, 2013, 02:20:16 PM
A.J. Hinch! (https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/385120321411358720)
So...I never followed the D-Backs THAT closely when I lived in Arizona (did you guys know I lived there?) but I remember mostly unmitigated disaster. It was due largely in part to him having no experience and being perceived as the forced-upon hire by the nerds running the show (sound familiar?) and there was much rejoicing when Kirk Gibson was hired. The subsequent winning was also further evidence for the meatballs that nerds are bad managers, even if those guys used to play.
Really, I don't have much to add.
I don't know anything about his managing style but I always felt like he was basically used as a scapegoat in Arizona. I've heard from a few fans who thought he was fairly smart and got a raw deal.
It's weird to feel so uninterested in a managerial search. None of it matters until they want to put a competitive team on the field, so I can't bring myself to get too fired up either way.
Quote from: Eli on October 02, 2013, 08:46:16 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 01, 2013, 03:32:35 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 01, 2013, 02:20:16 PM
A.J. Hinch! (https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/385120321411358720)
So...I never followed the D-Backs THAT closely when I lived in Arizona (did you guys know I lived there?) but I remember mostly unmitigated disaster. It was due largely in part to him having no experience and being perceived as the forced-upon hire by the nerds running the show (sound familiar?) and there was much rejoicing when Kirk Gibson was hired. The subsequent winning was also further evidence for the meatballs that nerds are bad managers, even if those guys used to play.
Really, I don't have much to add.
I don't know anything about his managing style but I always felt like he was basically used as a scapegoat in Arizona. I've heard from a few fans who thought he was fairly smart and got a raw deal.
It's weird to feel so uninterested in a managerial search. None of it matters until they want to put a competitive team on the field, so I can't bring myself to get too fired up either way.
Arizona's young players did well under Hinch. And he made no huge managing mistakes. Yay?
Hire Buck Schowalter, since whoever comes in after he gets fired wins the World Series.
Quote from: Fork on October 02, 2013, 09:39:46 AM
Hire Buck Schowalter, since whoever comes in after he gets fired wins the World Series.
gorshyjeewiz we shoulda just hired him two dave swaims ago
Quote from: BH on October 02, 2013, 08:56:59 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 02, 2013, 08:46:16 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 01, 2013, 03:32:35 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 01, 2013, 02:20:16 PM
A.J. Hinch! (https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/385120321411358720)
So...I never followed the D-Backs THAT closely when I lived in Arizona (did you guys know I lived there?) but I remember mostly unmitigated disaster. It was due largely in part to him having no experience and being perceived as the forced-upon hire by the nerds running the show (sound familiar?) and there was much rejoicing when Kirk Gibson was hired. The subsequent winning was also further evidence for the meatballs that nerds are bad managers, even if those guys used to play.
Really, I don't have much to add.
I don't know anything about his managing style but I always felt like he was basically used as a scapegoat in Arizona. I've heard from a few fans who thought he was fairly smart and got a raw deal.
It's weird to feel so uninterested in a managerial search. None of it matters until they want to put a competitive team on the field, so I can't bring myself to get too fired up either way.
Arizona's young players did well under Hinch. And he made no huge managing mistakes. Yay?
This is reasonably true in the sense that those were Upton's better times before the fall from grace. But they also led the league in Ks in both 2009 and 2010 (by a wide margin) and got mixed years in there from Drew and Scherzer, both of whom were supposed to be part of the young core.
To Eli's point, it's a little hard to care about any of this, as long as they don't hire someone completely detestable (which I don't think Hinch is) but I was surprised to see his name re-appear. To be fair, I don't think it should be surprising. He's clearly smart, was seen as an up-and-comer by many and was given a fairly crappy team and they performed crappy.
The problem I see with a guy like Hinch is that they could have had him two years ago. Why waste time with Dale if you coulda had Hinch (or someome like him in terms of experience level) this whole time?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 02, 2013, 10:15:49 AM
The problem I see with a guy like Hinch is that they could have had him two years ago. Why waste time with Dale if you coulda had Hinch (or someome like him in terms of experience level) this whole time?
How's that time machine coming along?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 02, 2013, 10:15:49 AM
The problem I see with a guy like Hinch is that they could have had him two years ago. Why waste time with Dale if you coulda had Hinch (or someome like him in terms of experience level) this whole time?
They thought Dale was that guy and he wasn't.
We can do this in circles until the end of time, but I think at some point we're just going to have to accept that Theo and Jed made a mistake on Sveum and decided it was time to move on.
Shit happens. It doesn't invalidate everything else and good for them for cutting bait while they saw a problem.
They made a bad hire, it happens.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 02, 2013, 10:30:57 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 02, 2013, 10:15:49 AM
The problem I see with a guy like Hinch is that they could have had him two years ago. Why waste time with Dale if you coulda had Hinch (or someome like him in terms of experience level) this whole time?
They thought Dale was that guy and he wasn't.
We can do this in circles until the end of time, but I think at some point we're just going to have to accept that Theo and Jed made a mistake on Sveum and decided it was time to move on.
Shit happens. It doesn't invalidate everything else and good for them for cutting bait while they saw a problem.
They made a bad hire, it happens.
Chuck doesn't tolerate mistakes.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 02, 2013, 10:30:57 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 02, 2013, 10:15:49 AM
The problem I see with a guy like Hinch is that they could have had him two years ago. Why waste time with Dale if you coulda had Hinch (or someome like him in terms of experience level) this whole time?
They thought Dale was that guy and he wasn't.
We can do this in circles until the end of time, but I think at some point we're just going to have to accept that Theo and Jed made a mistake on Sveum and decided it was time to move on.
Shit happens. It doesn't invalidate everything else and good for them for cutting bait while they saw a problem.
They made a bad hire, it happens.
I agree, but it seems like some are trying to spin this as, "It's not a mistake, they are just upgrading."
Mistakes happen. But missing the boat on a manager's ability to communicate with young players when you stated you are going young seems to be more than just a small mistake.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 02, 2013, 11:46:52 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 02, 2013, 10:30:57 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 02, 2013, 10:15:49 AM
The problem I see with a guy like Hinch is that they could have had him two years ago. Why waste time with Dale if you coulda had Hinch (or someome like him in terms of experience level) this whole time?
They thought Dale was that guy and he wasn't.
We can do this in circles until the end of time, but I think at some point we're just going to have to accept that Theo and Jed made a mistake on Sveum and decided it was time to move on.
Shit happens. It doesn't invalidate everything else and good for them for cutting bait while they saw a problem.
They made a bad hire, it happens.
I agree, but it seems like some are trying to spin this as, "It's not a mistake, they are just upgrading."
Mistakes happen. But missing the boat on a manager's ability to communicate with young players when you stated you are going young seems to be more than just a small mistake.
That seems like you are insinuating Theo and Jed knew Sveum was bad at communicating with young players before they hired him.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 02, 2013, 11:58:51 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 02, 2013, 11:46:52 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 02, 2013, 10:30:57 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 02, 2013, 10:15:49 AM
The problem I see with a guy like Hinch is that they could have had him two years ago. Why waste time with Dale if you coulda had Hinch (or someome like him in terms of experience level) this whole time?
They thought Dale was that guy and he wasn't.
We can do this in circles until the end of time, but I think at some point we're just going to have to accept that Theo and Jed made a mistake on Sveum and decided it was time to move on.
Shit happens. It doesn't invalidate everything else and good for them for cutting bait while they saw a problem.
They made a bad hire, it happens.
I agree, but it seems like some are trying to spin this as, "It's not a mistake, they are just upgrading."
Mistakes happen. But missing the boat on a manager's ability to communicate with young players when you stated you are going young seems to be more than just a small mistake.
That seems like you are insinuating Theo and Jed knew Sveum was bad at communicating with young players before they hired him.
I don't think that is what he's saying. He's just saying they misjudged that ability. Which they obviously did, but at least they owned up to it and decided to make a change.
Quote from: Eli on October 02, 2013, 12:42:53 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 02, 2013, 11:58:51 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 02, 2013, 11:46:52 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 02, 2013, 10:30:57 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 02, 2013, 10:15:49 AM
The problem I see with a guy like Hinch is that they could have had him two years ago. Why waste time with Dale if you coulda had Hinch (or someome like him in terms of experience level) this whole time?
They thought Dale was that guy and he wasn't.
We can do this in circles until the end of time, but I think at some point we're just going to have to accept that Theo and Jed made a mistake on Sveum and decided it was time to move on.
Shit happens. It doesn't invalidate everything else and good for them for cutting bait while they saw a problem.
They made a bad hire, it happens.
I agree, but it seems like some are trying to spin this as, "It's not a mistake, they are just upgrading."
Mistakes happen. But missing the boat on a manager's ability to communicate with young players when you stated you are going young seems to be more than just a small mistake.
That seems like you are insinuating Theo and Jed knew Sveum was bad at communicating with young players before they hired him.
I don't think that is what he's saying. He's just saying they misjudged that ability. Which they obviously did, but at least they owned up to it and decided to make a change.
I don't understand why this is such a big mistake, as Chuck implies. Who cares. The team sucked and would have sucked with the best manager of all time leading the way. The cubs wanted a manager to sit in the dugout and fill out a crappy lineup card for several years until their plan started to get closer, which is exactly what they are doing.
Quote from: BH on October 02, 2013, 01:02:28 PM
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Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on October 02, 2013, 11:58:51 AM
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Quote from: PenFoe on October 02, 2013, 10:30:57 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 02, 2013, 10:15:49 AM
The problem I see with a guy like Hinch is that they could have had him two years ago. Why waste time with Dale if you coulda had Hinch (or someome like him in terms of experience level) this whole time?
They thought Dale was that guy and he wasn't.
We can do this in circles until the end of time, but I think at some point we're just going to have to accept that Theo and Jed made a mistake on Sveum and decided it was time to move on.
Shit happens. It doesn't invalidate everything else and good for them for cutting bait while they saw a problem.
They made a bad hire, it happens.
I agree, but it seems like some are trying to spin this as, "It's not a mistake, they are just upgrading."
Mistakes happen. But missing the boat on a manager's ability to communicate with young players when you stated you are going young seems to be more than just a small mistake.
That seems like you are insinuating Theo and Jed knew Sveum was bad at communicating with young players before they hired him.
I don't think that is what he's saying. He's just saying they misjudged that ability. Which they obviously did, but at least they owned up to it and decided to make a change.
I don't understand why this is such a big mistake, as Chuck implies. Who cares. The team sucked and would have sucked with the best manager of all time leading the way. The cubs wanted a manager to sit in the dugout and fill out a crappy lineup card for several years until their plan started to get closer, which is exactly what they are doing.
But now Rizzo and Castro are ruined thanks to Sveum and will have to be firebarned.
Quote from: BH on October 02, 2013, 01:02:28 PM
I don't understand why this is such a big mistake, as Chuck implies. Who cares. The team sucked and would have sucked with the best manager of all time leading the way. The cubs wanted a manager to sit in the dugout and fill out a crappy lineup card for several years until their plan started to get closer, which is exactly what they are doing.
It wasn't about results. It was about helping young players develop and they felt that Sveum didn't do a good job of that. Or he showed that he wouldn't be good at it going forward. Or both.
Quote from: Eli on October 02, 2013, 01:15:11 PM
Quote from: BH on October 02, 2013, 01:02:28 PM
I don't understand why this is such a big mistake, as Chuck implies. Who cares. The team sucked and would have sucked with the best manager of all time leading the way. The cubs wanted a manager to sit in the dugout and fill out a crappy lineup card for several years until their plan started to get closer, which is exactly what they are doing.
It wasn't about results. It was about helping young players develop and they felt that Sveum didn't do a good job of that. Or he showed that he wouldn't be good at it going forward. Or both.
I'll throw out a 3rd option... maybe they think someone would be available now that wouldn't be available next year.
Quote from: BH on October 02, 2013, 01:30:06 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 02, 2013, 01:15:11 PM
Quote from: BH on October 02, 2013, 01:02:28 PM
I don't understand why this is such a big mistake, as Chuck implies. Who cares. The team sucked and would have sucked with the best manager of all time leading the way. The cubs wanted a manager to sit in the dugout and fill out a crappy lineup card for several years until their plan started to get closer, which is exactly what they are doing.
It wasn't about results. It was about helping young players develop and they felt that Sveum didn't do a good job of that. Or he showed that he wouldn't be good at it going forward. Or both.
I'll throw out a 3rd option... maybe they think someone would be available now that wouldn't be available next year.
Correct. But that means they know who the guy is and it's a lock to get him.
If this hire is due to a "now or never" opportunity to upgrade, great. If they fired Dale because he didn't do as expected, Theo/Jed fucked up. If that's what played out, at least they knew to cut bait now instead of waiting like Ricketts did with Hendry.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 02, 2013, 02:23:18 PM
Quote from: BH on October 02, 2013, 01:30:06 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 02, 2013, 01:15:11 PM
Quote from: BH on October 02, 2013, 01:02:28 PM
I don't understand why this is such a big mistake, as Chuck implies. Who cares. The team sucked and would have sucked with the best manager of all time leading the way. The cubs wanted a manager to sit in the dugout and fill out a crappy lineup card for several years until their plan started to get closer, which is exactly what they are doing.
It wasn't about results. It was about helping young players develop and they felt that Sveum didn't do a good job of that. Or he showed that he wouldn't be good at it going forward. Or both.
I'll throw out a 3rd option... maybe they think someone would be available now that wouldn't be available next year.
Correct. But that means they know who the guy is and it's a lock to get him.
If this hire is due to a "now or never" opportunity to upgrade, great. If they fired Dale because he didn't do as expected, Theo/Jed fucked up. If that's what played out, at least they knew to cut bait now instead of waiting like Ricketts did with Hendry.
If you expect perfection, then why the hell do you root for the Cubs?
Quote from: ChuckD on October 02, 2013, 02:32:52 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 02, 2013, 02:23:18 PM
Quote from: BH on October 02, 2013, 01:30:06 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 02, 2013, 01:15:11 PM
Quote from: BH on October 02, 2013, 01:02:28 PM
I don't understand why this is such a big mistake, as Chuck implies. Who cares. The team sucked and would have sucked with the best manager of all time leading the way. The cubs wanted a manager to sit in the dugout and fill out a crappy lineup card for several years until their plan started to get closer, which is exactly what they are doing.
It wasn't about results. It was about helping young players develop and they felt that Sveum didn't do a good job of that. Or he showed that he wouldn't be good at it going forward. Or both.
I'll throw out a 3rd option... maybe they think someone would be available now that wouldn't be available next year.
Correct. But that means they know who the guy is and it's a lock to get him.
If this hire is due to a "now or never" opportunity to upgrade, great. If they fired Dale because he didn't do as expected, Theo/Jed fucked up. If that's what played out, at least they knew to cut bait now instead of waiting like Ricketts did with Hendry.
If you expect perfection, then why the hell do you root for the Cubs?
Because no team gives him a better opportunity to bitch about the lack of it.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 02, 2013, 02:23:18 PM
Quote from: BH on October 02, 2013, 01:30:06 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 02, 2013, 01:15:11 PM
Quote from: BH on October 02, 2013, 01:02:28 PM
I don't understand why this is such a big mistake, as Chuck implies. Who cares. The team sucked and would have sucked with the best manager of all time leading the way. The cubs wanted a manager to sit in the dugout and fill out a crappy lineup card for several years until their plan started to get closer, which is exactly what they are doing.
It wasn't about results. It was about helping young players develop and they felt that Sveum didn't do a good job of that. Or he showed that he wouldn't be good at it going forward. Or both.
I'll throw out a 3rd option... maybe they think someone would be available now that wouldn't be available next year.
Correct. But that means they know who the guy is and it's a lock to get him.
If this hire is due to a "now or never" opportunity to upgrade, great. If they fired Dale because he didn't do as expected, Theo/Jed fucked up. If that's what played out, at least they knew to cut bait now instead of waiting like Ricketts did with Hendry.
It doesn't mean they're a lock to get their guy. It means the guy they wanted was available and they needed a managerial vacancy in order to make a run at him. The reports are today that they plan to make a serious offer to Girardi. Even if he turns them down, the loss of Dale Sveum in the attempt doesn't hurt them. He was a guy.
Sveum did the job he was asked to do: Manage the team while they lost hundreds of baseball games and never complain about a lack of talent or the loss of his roster via trade. He was being asked to help develop young talent? What young talent? His value over replacement slapdick A.J. Hinch is unknown but negligible enough that the mere opportunity to get Girardi is reason enough to move on.
And they didn't fuck Sveum over in my opinion. They didn't openly court Girardi while Sveum was still here and then deny it. I'm sure they were very open about the nature of the opportunity Sveum was getting when they signed him. Sveum seemed cool with it all along. Now he can go ride his bike and get another tattoo while he gets paid not to manage a sub-.500 ballclub.
Nothing is fucked here.
I have never managed to care less about who's managing the Cubs. I mean, I want to make fun of Chuck for being wrongtarded or Stew for being The World's Oldest Meatball, or Yeti just out if habit, but hell if I can give a fuck about the firing, the speculation, or which slapdick we end up blaming for blowing out which other slapdick's pitching arm.
When the new guy needs a FIREBARNIN', give me a call.
Quote from: Bort on October 02, 2013, 03:28:40 PM
When the new guy needs a FIREBARNIN', give me a call.
First, how about a status update on Samardzija. Why is he not yet firebarned? I demand answers!
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 02, 2013, 03:17:12 PM
Even if he turns them down, the loss of Dale Sveum in the attempt doesn't hurt them. He was a guy.
DPD. Dan Bernstein, is that you?
This was a fun thread to catch up on.
God the Cubs are depressing.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 02, 2013, 04:31:46 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 02, 2013, 03:17:12 PM
Even if he turns them down, the loss of Dale Sveum in the attempt doesn't hurt them. He was a guy.
DPD. Dan Bernstein, is that you?
I guess I listen to that show a lot.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 02, 2013, 04:44:45 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 02, 2013, 04:31:46 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 02, 2013, 03:17:12 PM
Even if he turns them down, the loss of Dale Sveum in the attempt doesn't hurt them. He was a guy.
DPD. Dan Bernstein, is that you?
I guess I listen to that show a lot.
You could do worse. I still listen, even out here in homolib taxocrat land.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 02, 2013, 04:30:08 PM
Quote from: Bort on October 02, 2013, 03:28:40 PM
When the new guy needs a FIREBARNIN', give me a call.
First, how about a status update on Samardzija. Why is he not yet firebarned? I demand answers!
He's proving remarkably flame retardant.
Quote from: Bort on October 02, 2013, 03:28:40 PM
I have never managed to care less about who's managing the Cubs. I mean, I want to make fun of Chuck for being wrongtarded or Stew for being The World's Oldest Meatball, or Yeti just out if habit, but hell if I can give a fuck about the firing, the speculation, or which slapdick we end up blaming for blowing out which other slapdick's pitching arm.
When the new guy needs a FIREBARNIN', give me a call.
No, no no, no, no. I do not deny being a meatball. But everyone in my generation is a meatball and some of them are even a week or two older than I. I agree with Apex. I think that Sveum deserves to be rewarded for being a good soldier, not fired
Quote from: CBStew on October 02, 2013, 09:36:25 PM
Quote from: Bort on October 02, 2013, 03:28:40 PM
I have never managed to care less about who's managing the Cubs. I mean, I want to make fun of Chuck for being wrongtarded or Stew for being The World's Oldest Meatball, or Yeti just out if habit, but hell if I can give a fuck about the firing, the speculation, or which slapdick we end up blaming for blowing out which other slapdick's pitching arm.
When the new guy needs a FIREBARNIN', give me a call.
No, no no, no, no. I do not deny being a meatball. But everyone in my generation is a meatball and some of them are even a week or two older than I. I agree with Apex. I think that Sveum deserves to be rewarded for being a good soldier, not fired
Did I say that? I guess I did. Theo should hand Sveum a plaque and a yoga coupon and thank him for his years of service. "Fire" is such an ugly word without the "barn" behind it.
Here's a hypothetical that'll never hai but it's a fun little complex: Tony LaRussa. Definitely had his St. Louis success, but we have so much hatred for him/them. So, discuss cause SPORTZ
Quote from: Yeti on October 03, 2013, 10:15:04 AM
Here's a hypothetical that'll never hai but it's a fun little complex: Tony LaRussa. Definitely had his St. Louis success, but we have so much hatred for him/them. So, discuss cause SPORTZ
Fun? You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Quote from: Yeti on October 03, 2013, 10:15:04 AM
Here's a hypothetical that'll never hai but it's a fun little complex: Tony LaRussa. Definitely had his St. Louis success, but we have so much hatred for him/them. So, discuss cause SPORTZ
#STRONGTAEKS
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 02, 2013, 03:17:12 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 02, 2013, 02:23:18 PM
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I don't understand why this is such a big mistake, as Chuck implies. Who cares. The team sucked and would have sucked with the best manager of all time leading the way. The cubs wanted a manager to sit in the dugout and fill out a crappy lineup card for several years until their plan started to get closer, which is exactly what they are doing.
It wasn't about results. It was about helping young players develop and they felt that Sveum didn't do a good job of that. Or he showed that he wouldn't be good at it going forward. Or both.
I'll throw out a 3rd option... maybe they think someone would be available now that wouldn't be available next year.
Correct. But that means they know who the guy is and it's a lock to get him.
If this hire is due to a "now or never" opportunity to upgrade, great. If they fired Dale because he didn't do as expected, Theo/Jed fucked up. If that's what played out, at least they knew to cut bait now instead of waiting like Ricketts did with Hendry.
It doesn't mean they're a lock to get their guy. It means the guy they wanted was available and they needed a managerial vacancy in order to make a run at him. The reports are today that they plan to make a serious offer to Girardi. Even if he turns them down, the loss of Dale Sveum in the attempt doesn't hurt them. He was a guy.
Sveum did the job he was asked to do: Manage the team while they lost hundreds of baseball games and never complain about a lack of talent or the loss of his roster via trade. He was being asked to help develop young talent? What young talent? His value over replacement slapdick A.J. Hinch is unknown but negligible enough that the mere opportunity to get Girardi is reason enough to move on.
And they didn't fuck Sveum over in my opinion. They didn't openly court Girardi while Sveum was still here and then deny it. I'm sure they were very open about the nature of the opportunity Sveum was getting when they signed him. Sveum seemed cool with it all along. Now he can go ride his bike and get another tattoo while he gets paid not to manage a sub-.500 ballclub to coach for the Royals.
Nothing is fucked here.
http://www.kansascity.com/2013/10/03/4526855/royals-add-former-cubs-manager.html
Quote from: Tonker on October 03, 2013, 11:19:53 AM
Quote from: Yeti on October 03, 2013, 10:15:04 AM
Here's a hypothetical that'll never hai but it's a fun little complex: Tony LaRussa. Definitely had his St. Louis success, but we have so much hatred for him/them. So, discuss cause SPORTZ
Fun? You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
I don't mean quell everybody's enthusiasm about this pending discussion but it seems our friend Tony has slipped around the bend.
http://larrybrownsports.com/baseball/tony-la-russa-17-cats/205986
QuoteLa Russa said there were 17 cats at the moment at his home in the Bay Area, all of them rescued. Now let's be clear: Only a handful were permanent members of the La Russa clan. The rest were foster cats, ones the La Russas were caring for temporarily until they could be placed in homes. Still, La Russa could name them, even the newcomers. It took a couple of minutes, a few pauses, but he ticked them off, one by one, as if running down a lineup card.
'Skye, Pearl, Slash — named after a rock 'n' roll guitarist—Sophia, Maggie, Jack — my daughter found him in the parking lot of a Jack in the Box—Stella, Sierra, Kachina, Lakota, Fergus, Dexter — he's very precocious — Misha, Cammie, Eddie, Patchy, Pawnee.'
Yes: That is all 17. Yes: It sounded as amazing as it reads.
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Slash
Who? Slash? What kind of name is
Quote from: The Genius
named after a rock 'n' roll guitarist
Ohhhhhhhhhh,
Slash! Of course! Thanks for explaining, Tony.
"This is Obama. He's named after a famous U.S. president."
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 03, 2013, 03:44:41 PM
Quote from: Tonker on October 03, 2013, 11:19:53 AM
Quote from: Yeti on October 03, 2013, 10:15:04 AM
Here's a hypothetical that'll never hai but it's a fun little complex: Tony LaRussa. Definitely had his St. Louis success, but we have so much hatred for him/them. So, discuss cause SPORTZ
Fun? You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
I don't mean quell everybody's enthusiasm about this pending discussion but it seems our friend Tony has slipped around the bend.
http://larrybrownsports.com/baseball/tony-la-russa-17-cats/205986
QuoteLa Russa said there were 17 cats at the moment at his home in the Bay Area, all of them rescued. Now let's be clear: Only a handful were permanent members of the La Russa clan. The rest were foster cats, ones the La Russas were caring for temporarily until they could be placed in homes. Still, La Russa could name them, even the newcomers. It took a couple of minutes, a few pauses, but he ticked them off, one by one, as if running down a lineup card.
'Skye, Pearl, Slash — named after a rock 'n' roll guitarist—Sophia, Maggie, Jack — my daughter found him in the parking lot of a Jack in the Box—Stella, Sierra, Kachina, Lakota, Fergus, Dexter — he's very precocious — Misha, Cammie, Eddie, Patchy, Pawnee.'
Yes: That is all 17. Yes: It sounded as amazing as it reads.
He stopped fostering dogs following the "Edmonds Incident".
Dusty's available. I bet the Cubs are regretting throwing out those 3 gross of toothpicks this week.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 03, 2013, 05:27:41 PM
Quote from: The Genius
Slash
Who? Slash? What kind of name is
Quote from: The Genius
named after a rock 'n' roll guitarist
Ohhhhhhhhhh, Slash! Of course! Thanks for explaining, Tony.
"This is Obama. He's named after a famous U.S. president."
How about the kitten named after Kordell Stewart?
Any particular reason why I shouldn't prefer Man E. Acta over Girardi? Seams to me he'd be more likely to take marching orders from Theo and Jed on lineups and managing tactics. Might as well give these EGGHEADS full autonomy to sink or swim.
Quote from: R-V on October 08, 2013, 11:49:17 AM
Any particular reason why I shouldn't prefer Man E. Acta over Girardi? Seams to me he'd be more likely to take marching orders from Theo and Jed on lineups and managing tactics. Might as well give these EGGHEADS full autonomy to sink or swim.
He's probably the strongest fallback option. Speaks Spanish, which should help him communicate with Castro and Soler and everyone else in a modern Major League clubhouse. He's never had much talent to work with, so he's more of an unknown than Girardi. His egghead approach should help, IN THE ABSTRACT, but who knows. On the other hand, he was fired and replaced with Jim Riggleman, so, buyer beware.
Quote from: R-V on October 08, 2013, 11:49:17 AM
Any particular reason why I shouldn't prefer Man E. Acta over Girardi? Seams to me he'd be more likely to take marching orders from Theo and Jed on lineups and managing tactics.
Wasn't Sveum supposed to do that, too?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 08, 2013, 02:12:55 PM
Quote from: R-V on October 08, 2013, 11:49:17 AM
Any particular reason why I shouldn't prefer Man E. Acta over Girardi? Seams to me he'd be more likely to take marching orders from Theo and Jed on lineups and managing tactics.
Wasn't Sveum supposed to do that, too?
Yes?
The new manager is not Joe Girardi. Good.
https://twitter.com/YankeesPR/status/388016405242580992 (https://twitter.com/YankeesPR/status/388016405242580992)
The Score is reporting that Joe Girardi has decided to stay with the Yankees. Time for Plan B.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 09, 2013, 02:25:22 PM
The Score is reporting that Joe Girardi has decided to stay with the Yankees. Time for Plan B.
Head to your pharmacist, Tony LaRussa.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 09, 2013, 02:25:22 PM
The Score is reporting that Joe Girardi has decided to stay with the Yankees. Time for Plan B FYC.
No Girardi, no Cano, no problem'd
The field has cleared for Jim Essian quite nicely.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 09, 2013, 03:11:19 PM
The field has cleared for Jim EssianDave Martinez quite nicely.
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 10, 2013, 08:41:28 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 09, 2013, 03:11:19 PM
The field has cleared for Jim EssianDave Martinez quite nicely.
Talk about a Ryne Sandberg suicide watch when Martinez leads the Cubs to the World Series.
Quote from: Brownie on October 10, 2013, 09:12:45 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 10, 2013, 08:41:28 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 09, 2013, 03:11:19 PM
The field has cleared for Jim EssianDave Martinez quite nicely.
Talk about a Ryne Sandberg suicide watch when Martinez leads the Cubs to the World Series.
Dave Kaplan was on my tv trashing every single candidate mentioned with intel from "very high-level MLB" sources to back him up. He said Martinez isn't high on the Cubs' list. Kaplan doesn't know shit though. So there's that.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 11, 2013, 10:35:52 AM
Quote from: Brownie on October 10, 2013, 09:12:45 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 10, 2013, 08:41:28 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 09, 2013, 03:11:19 PM
The field has cleared for Jim EssianDave Martinez quite nicely.
Talk about a Ryne Sandberg suicide watch when Martinez leads the Cubs to the World Series.
Dave Kaplan was on my tv trashing every single candidate mentioned with intel from "very high-level MLB" sources to back him up. He said Martinez isn't high on the Cubs' list. Kaplan doesn't know shit though. So there's that.
Kaplan is Chuck?
Quote from: PenFoe on October 11, 2013, 10:38:32 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 11, 2013, 10:35:52 AM
Quote from: Brownie on October 10, 2013, 09:12:45 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 10, 2013, 08:41:28 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 09, 2013, 03:11:19 PM
The field has cleared for Jim EssianDave Martinez quite nicely.
Talk about a Ryne Sandberg suicide watch when Martinez leads the Cubs to the World Series.
Dave Kaplan was on my tv trashing every single candidate mentioned with intel from "very high-level MLB" sources to back him up. He said Martinez isn't high on the Cubs' list. Kaplan doesn't know shit though. So there's that.
Kaplan is Chuck?
Maybe Chuck was his source.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 11, 2013, 10:40:22 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 11, 2013, 10:38:32 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 11, 2013, 10:35:52 AM
Quote from: Brownie on October 10, 2013, 09:12:45 PM
Quote from: Armchair_QB on October 10, 2013, 08:41:28 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 09, 2013, 03:11:19 PM
The field has cleared for Jim EssianDave Martinez quite nicely.
Talk about a Ryne Sandberg suicide watch when Martinez leads the Cubs to the World Series.
Dave Kaplan was on my tv trashing every single candidate mentioned with intel from "very high-level MLB" sources to back him up. He said Martinez isn't high on the Cubs' list. Kaplan doesn't know shit though. So there's that.
Kaplan is Chuck?
Maybe Chuck was his source.
We're through the looking glass, people.
https://twitter.com/ivychat/status/389428926168059904
Quote from: Internet ChuckI don't care who they hire so long as they don't make another mistake.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 13, 2013, 01:50:09 PM
https://twitter.com/ivychat/status/389428926168059904
Quote from: Internet ChuckI don't care who they hire so long as they don't make another mistake.
DO NOT MAKE 1 MORE SINGLE MISTAKE!
They should bring Don Zimmer back. They could pay him in cheeseburgers. And if he strokes out again, they could always bring Quade back - he could mole squint into the setting sun of the Cubs hopes and dreams for one more season.
Quote from: RedBeard on October 24, 2013, 03:59:08 AM
They should bring Don Zimmer back. They could pay him in cheeseburgers. And if he strokes out again, they could always bring Quade back - he could mole squint into the setting sun of the Cubs hopes and dreams for one more season.
Who is RedBeard?
This (http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/blog/mlbbuzz/article/explaining_the_holdup_on_lovullo/14968745?new_post=true) feels like it should probably go in the butthurt thread.
Quote
The Cubs want to interview Red Sox bench coach Torey Lovullo for their managerial opening and make a decision on the position soon.
The Cubs and Red Sox reached an agreement that they would not hire each other's employees after Theo Epstein left Boston for Chicago in Oct. 2011. That agreement remains in effect, though its exact length is not known.
How the agreement applies to Lovullo is unclear: He did not become a Red Sox employee until Oct. 2012, about a full year after Epstein's departure. In addition, teams generally allow employees to interview for promotions. For Lovullo, the Cubs' job certainly would qualify.
The Red Sox, however, apparently are going by the letter of the agreement, and balking at the idea of Lovullo interviewing with the Cubs.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 04, 2013, 03:29:09 PM
This (http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/blog/mlbbuzz/article/explaining_the_holdup_on_lovullo/14968745?new_post=true) feels like it should probably go in the butthurt thread.
Quote
The Cubs want to interview Red Sox bench coach Torey Lovullo for their managerial opening and make a decision on the position soon.
The Cubs and Red Sox reached an agreement that they would not hire each other's employees after Theo Epstein left Boston for Chicago in Oct. 2011. That agreement remains in effect, though its exact length is not known.
How the agreement applies to Lovullo is unclear: He did not become a Red Sox employee until Oct. 2012, about a full year after Epstein's departure. In addition, teams generally allow employees to interview for promotions. For Lovullo, the Cubs' job certainly would qualify.
The Red Sox, however, apparently are going by the letter of the agreement, and balking at the idea of Lovullo interviewing with the Cubs.
Lucchino must be awesome to work for.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 04, 2013, 03:29:09 PM
This (http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/blog/mlbbuzz/article/explaining_the_holdup_on_lovullo/14968745?new_post=true) feels like it should probably go in the butthurt thread.
Quote
The Cubs want to interview Red Sox bench coach Torey Lovullo for their managerial opening and make a decision on the position soon.
The Cubs and Red Sox reached an agreement that they would not hire each other's employees after Theo Epstein left Boston for Chicago in Oct. 2011. That agreement remains in effect, though its exact length is not known.
How the agreement applies to Lovullo is unclear: He did not become a Red Sox employee until Oct. 2012, about a full year after Epstein's departure. In addition, teams generally allow employees to interview for promotions. For Lovullo, the Cubs' job certainly would qualify.
The Red Sox, however, apparently are going by the letter of the agreement, and balking at the idea of Lovullo interviewing with the Cubs.
I can't imagine Lovullo is too happy with that.
Quote from: BH on November 06, 2013, 03:55:03 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 04, 2013, 03:29:09 PM
This (http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/blog/mlbbuzz/article/explaining_the_holdup_on_lovullo/14968745?new_post=true) feels like it should probably go in the butthurt thread.
Quote
The Cubs want to interview Red Sox bench coach Torey Lovullo for their managerial opening and make a decision on the position soon.
The Cubs and Red Sox reached an agreement that they would not hire each other's employees after Theo Epstein left Boston for Chicago in Oct. 2011. That agreement remains in effect, though its exact length is not known.
How the agreement applies to Lovullo is unclear: He did not become a Red Sox employee until Oct. 2012, about a full year after Epstein's departure. In addition, teams generally allow employees to interview for promotions. For Lovullo, the Cubs' job certainly would qualify.
The Red Sox, however, apparently are going by the letter of the agreement, and balking at the idea of Lovullo interviewing with the Cubs.
Lucchino must be awesome to work for.
He's a joy. No one has ever quit on him, right?
RIC KRENTERIA.
Does Davey need to bang Laura Ricketts to get the job?
Rent Rickeria
Rick Brujeria
Diarrhea
Gonorrhea
Seborrhea
Pyorrhea
and so forth.
Rentstink Is Terrible
Quote from: Slaky on November 07, 2013, 08:12:50 AM
Rent Rickeria
Rick Brujeria
Diarrhea
Gonorrhea
Seborrhea
Pyorrhea
and so forth.
Rentstink Is Terrible
Dys-enteria
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2013, 08:55:49 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 07, 2013, 08:12:50 AM
Rent Rickeria
Rick Brujeria
Diarrhea
Gonorrhea
Seborrhea
Pyorrhea
and so forth.
Rentstink Is Terrible
Dys-enteria
Hysteria
Quote from: CBStew on November 07, 2013, 09:01:38 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2013, 08:55:49 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 07, 2013, 08:12:50 AM
Rent Rickeria
Rick Brujeria
Diarrhea
Gonorrhea
Seborrhea
Pyorrhea
and so forth.
Rentstink Is Terrible
Dys-enteria
Hysteria
Rick Dysentheriot. I bet there is audio somewhere of Harry hilariously pronouncing Edgar Renteria's name in 1997.
Quote from: WikipediaWhile playing for the Florida Marlins, he was nicknamed "The Secret Weapon" for his versatility on the field and his timely pinch hitting.
Just what we need for JEPSTINK'S SNEAK ATTACK.
It bears mention that the secret weapon provided below-average defense and slashed .125/.217/.190/.408 in 48 PAs as a pinch-hitter with the Marlins. Not that it affects his ability to teach/manage, but ... damn -- some weapons should be kept secret.
Quote from: ChuckD on November 07, 2013, 09:26:19 AM
Quote from: WikipediaWhile playing for the Florida Marlins, he was nicknamed "The Secret Weapon" for his versatility on the field and his timely pinch hitting.
Just what we need for JEPSTINK'S SNEAK ATTACK.
It bears mention that the secret weapon provided below-average defense and slashed .125/.217/.190/.408 in 48 PAs as a pinch-hitter with the Marlins. Not that it affects his ability to teach/manage, but ... damn -- some weapons should be kept secret.
Secret Weapon referred to the .38 he kept in his baseball pants just in case someone threatened to send him to the minors.
Quote from: ChuckD on November 07, 2013, 09:26:19 AM
Quote from: WikipediaWhile playing for the Florida Marlins, he was nicknamed "The Secret Weapon" for his versatility on the field and his timely pinch hitting.
Just what we need for JEPSTINK'S SNEAK ATTACK.
It bears mention that the secret weapon provided below-average defense and slashed .125/.217/.190/.408 in 48 PAs as a pinch-hitter with the Marlins. Not that it affects his ability to teach/manage, but ... damn -- some weapons should be kept secret.
The Tribune said Rick Renteria was also known as the Silent Assassin in the minors.If only John Wilkes Booth and Lee Harvey Oswald were that kind of silent as assassins.
I love JEPSTINK by the way. Love it.
Quote from: Slaky on November 07, 2013, 09:51:39 AM
I love JEPSTINK by the way. Love it.
Too bad, because the Official Steve RosenDOOM mandated nickname is in and it is "Oopstein".
God that's awful.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblog/chi-chicago-cubs-manager-renteria-rosenbloom-20131107,0,7764048.column
Quote from: CT III on November 07, 2013, 10:44:30 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 07, 2013, 09:51:39 AM
I love JEPSTINK by the way. Love it.
Too bad, because the Official Steve RosenDOOM mandated nickname is in and it is "Oopstein".
God that's awful.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblog/chi-chicago-cubs-manager-renteria-rosenbloom-20131107,0,7764048.column
Oopstein has some explaining to do. where's the parade Oopstein? why are the cubs so bad still? Oops!
Quote from: Slaky on November 07, 2013, 10:52:35 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 07, 2013, 10:44:30 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 07, 2013, 09:51:39 AM
I love JEPSTINK by the way. Love it.
Too bad, because the Official Steve RosenDOOM mandated nickname is in and it is "Oopstein".
God that's awful.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblog/chi-chicago-cubs-manager-renteria-rosenbloom-20131107,0,7764048.column
Oopstein has some explaining to do. where's the parade Oopstein? why are the cubs so bad still? Oops!
Thank you Chicago Tribune subscription service for sparing me from reading CT's link.
Quote from: Slaky on November 07, 2013, 10:52:35 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 07, 2013, 10:44:30 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 07, 2013, 09:51:39 AM
I love JEPSTINK by the way. Love it.
Too bad, because the Official Steve RosenDOOM mandated nickname is in and it is "Oopstein".
God that's awful.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblog/chi-chicago-cubs-manager-renteria-rosenbloom-20131107,0,7764048.column
Oopstein has some explaining to do. where's the parade Oopstein? why are the cubs so bad still? Oops!
A strain of clown disease! hahahaha! “Hey, yo, Theo, I got your Torey Lovullo right ‘ere, fella’’? lol good one Steve lol
"The Cubs already have lost that news conference, like it was a home game or something."
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfqkq2dBxs1qdye1ho1_500.gif)
Quote from: R-V on November 07, 2013, 11:34:09 AM
Thank you Chicago Tribune subscription service for sparing me from reading CT's link.
I use Safari, and the Reader button next to the address bar bypasses their subscription wall. Most of the time, I'm thankful for the wall's protection.
Then by all means, allow me:
QuoteTrying to trade Ryan Dempster was an embarrassing episode. Oops.
The Cubs still don't have an ace in a game where pitching wins. Oops.
Oh, and attendance has dropped each season since Epstein arrived.
Epstein figures to tell us Renteria is the right guy, just like he told us Dale Sveum was the right guy before he lost almost 200 games in two seasons and couldn't make players better. Oops.
...
You'd hate to think that Epstein caught whatever strain of clown disease Tom Ricketts brought to Wrigley, but in a lot of significant areas, it's starting to look that way.
Starlin Castro got a new, big deal and got worse. Oops.
Anthony Rizzo cost the Cubs a pitcher, then he got a new, big deal and got worse. Oops.
Edwin Jackson was given a $52 million contract. Oops.
I hope he gets it right from now on. Otherwise, people might start calling him
Theo Oopstein
Quote from: CT III on November 07, 2013, 12:16:08 PM
Then by all means, allow me:
QuoteTrying to trade Ryan Dempster was an embarrassing episode. Oops.
The Cubs still don't have an ace in a game where pitching wins. Oops.
Oh, and attendance has dropped each season since Epstein arrived.
Epstein figures to tell us Renteria is the right guy, just like he told us Dale Sveum was the right guy before he lost almost 200 games in two seasons and couldn't make players better. Oops.
...
You'd hate to think that Epstein caught whatever strain of clown disease Tom Ricketts brought to Wrigley, but in a lot of significant areas, it's starting to look that way.
Starlin Castro got a new, big deal and got worse. Oops.
Anthony Rizzo cost the Cubs a pitcher, then he got a new, big deal and got worse. Oops.
Edwin Jackson was given a $52 million contract. Oops.
I hope he gets it right from now on. Otherwise, people might start calling him
Theo Oopstein
How have the past 10 years been to Steve Oopsenbloom's career trajectory in which he'd be as hated as Jay Mariotti, except no one really gives a shit about him and the Tribune probably forgot he's on their payroll?
Quote from: CT III on November 07, 2013, 12:16:08 PM
Then by all means, allow me:
QuoteTrying to trade Ryan Dempster was an embarrassing episode. Oops.
The Cubs still don't have an ace in a game where pitching wins. Oops.
Oh, and attendance has dropped each season since Epstein arrived.
Epstein figures to tell us Renteria is the right guy, just like he told us Dale Sveum was the right guy before he lost almost 200 games in two seasons and couldn't make players better. Oops.
...
You'd hate to think that Epstein caught whatever strain of clown disease Tom Ricketts brought to Wrigley, but in a lot of significant areas, it's starting to look that way.
Starlin Castro got a new, big deal and got worse. Oops.
Anthony Rizzo cost the Cubs a pitcher, then he got a new, big deal and got worse. Oops.
Edwin Jackson was given a $52 million contract. Oops.
I hope he gets it right from now on. Otherwise, people might start calling him
Theo Oopstein
Will we ever find a cure for clown disease?
Quote from: R-V on November 07, 2013, 12:48:24 PM
Will we ever find a cure for clown disease?
Maybe, once Nixon was elected, he defunded all government research into the cure and we're only now recovering.
Quote from: CT III on November 07, 2013, 01:02:19 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 07, 2013, 12:48:24 PM
Will we ever find a cure for clown disease?
Maybe, once Nixon was elected, he defunded all government research into the cure and we're only now recovering.
ACA requires all health care plans to cover treatment for Clown Disease. It was a pre-existing condition for the Ricketts, so they chose a plan that didn't cover it. But now, it looks like they will get it covered so there will be hope for Theo and Jed. Problem is, Todd is the guy in charge of navigating the healthcare exchange website.
Quote from: Brownie on November 07, 2013, 01:08:27 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 07, 2013, 01:02:19 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 07, 2013, 12:48:24 PM
Will we ever find a cure for clown disease?
Maybe, once Nixon was elected, he defunded all government research into the cure and we're only now recovering.
ACA requires all health care plans to cover treatment for Clown Disease. It was a pre-existing condition for the Ricketts, so they chose a plan that didn't cover it. But now, it looks like they will get it covered so there will be hope for Theo and Jed. Problem is, Todd is the guy in charge of navigating the healthcare exchange website.
Todd's also the president of the Ending Spending SuperPAC. That and his bike shop.
Quote from: R-V on November 07, 2013, 12:48:24 PM
Will we ever find a cure for clown disease?
What kind of ribbon do I need to promote clown disease awareness?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 07, 2013, 01:39:04 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 07, 2013, 12:48:24 PM
Will we ever find a cure for clown disease?
What kind of ribbon do I need to promote clown disease awareness?
I dunno, but if you tug on it, it leads to an endless series of knotted handkerchiefs.
Oh shit, I've got Fork Disease.
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2013, 01:59:45 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 07, 2013, 01:39:04 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 07, 2013, 12:48:24 PM
Will we ever find a cure for clown disease?
What kind of ribbon do I need to promote clown disease awareness?
I dunno, but if you tug on it, it leads to an endless series of knotted handkerchiefs.
Oh shit, I've got Fork Disease.
Big shoes to fill.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 07, 2013, 02:23:57 PM
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2013, 01:59:45 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 07, 2013, 01:39:04 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 07, 2013, 12:48:24 PM
Will we ever find a cure for clown disease?
What kind of ribbon do I need to promote clown disease awareness?
I dunno, but if you tug on it, it leads to an endless series of knotted handkerchiefs.
Oh shit, I've got Fork Disease.
Big shoes to fill.
I wonder if Mike Murphy will be mad at Rosenbloom for stealing his bit. "Andy the Clown, honk honk, slidewhistle" and that.
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2013, 01:59:45 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 07, 2013, 01:39:04 PM
Quote from: R-V on November 07, 2013, 12:48:24 PM
Will we ever find a cure for clown disease?
What kind of ribbon do I need to promote clown disease awareness?
I dunno, but if you tug on it, it leads to an endless series of knotted handkerchiefs.
Oh shit, I've got Fork Disease.
Too descriptive. I think it would have been something more like "One that sprays water."
I don't understand this fixation on the Cubs' attendance. When the Ricketti hired Jepstink, they bought into the fact that a complete gutting of the organization would mean last place finishes and a drop in attendance. They have compensated for this by cutting payroll.
The drop in attendance isn't a failure, it's the cost of a rebuild.
Quote from: Fork on November 07, 2013, 03:29:45 PM
I don't understand this fixation on the Cubs' attendance. When the Ricketti hired Jepstink, they bought into the fact that a complete gutting of the organization would mean last place finishes and a drop in attendance. They have compensated for this by cutting payroll.
The drop in attendance isn't a failure, it's the cost of a rebuild.
it's hardly a Wirtzian reaction - this isn't people staying away until someone dies.
The Cubs will eventually, the odds say, put together a decent ballclub. If they're even remotely competitive by the time school gets out the place will be packed every damn day.
Quote from: Slaky on November 07, 2013, 03:39:12 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 07, 2013, 03:29:45 PM
I don't understand this fixation on the Cubs' attendance. When the Ricketti hired Jepstink, they bought into the fact that a complete gutting of the organization would mean last place finishes and a drop in attendance. They have compensated for this by cutting payroll.
The drop in attendance isn't a failure, it's the cost of a rebuild.
it's hardly a Wirtzian reaction - this isn't people staying away until someone dies.
The Cubs will eventually, the odds say, put together a decent ballclub. If they're even remotely competitive by the time school gets out the place will be packed every damn day.
It's actually amazing that a team as bad as the last 2 years have anyone showing up.
Quote from: Slaky on November 07, 2013, 03:39:12 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 07, 2013, 03:29:45 PM
I don't understand this fixation on the Cubs' attendance. When the Ricketti hired Jepstink, they bought into the fact that a complete gutting of the organization would mean last place finishes and a drop in attendance. They have compensated for this by cutting payroll.
The drop in attendance isn't a failure, it's the cost of a rebuild.
it's hardly a Wirtzian reaction - this isn't people staying away until someone dies.
The Cubs will eventually, the odds say, put together a decent ballclub. If they're even remotely competitive by the time school gets out the place will be packed every damn day.
It's still bizarre to me though, people were okay when the team was bad due to the incompetence of the front office, but now that the team has been bad by design, they're upset. I guess Cubs fans don't mind the shit sandwich as long as you tell them its chocolate.
Quote from: CT III on November 07, 2013, 04:23:10 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 07, 2013, 03:39:12 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 07, 2013, 03:29:45 PM
I don't understand this fixation on the Cubs' attendance. When the Ricketti hired Jepstink, they bought into the fact that a complete gutting of the organization would mean last place finishes and a drop in attendance. They have compensated for this by cutting payroll.
The drop in attendance isn't a failure, it's the cost of a rebuild.
it's hardly a Wirtzian reaction - this isn't people staying away until someone dies.
The Cubs will eventually, the odds say, put together a decent ballclub. If they're even remotely competitive by the time school gets out the place will be packed every damn day.
It's still bizarre to me though, people were okay when the team was bad due to the incompetence of the front office, but now that the team has been bad by design, they're upset. I guess Cubs fans don't mind the shit sandwich as long as you tell them its chocolate.
You guys: I've been thinking. It's entirely possible that Cubs fans are actually pretty dumb.
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 07, 2013, 09:09:46 AM
Quote from: CBStew on November 07, 2013, 09:01:38 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2013, 08:55:49 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 07, 2013, 08:12:50 AM
Rent Rickeria
Rick Brujeria
Diarrhea
Gonorrhea
Seborrhea
Pyorrhea
and so forth.
Rentstink Is Terrible
Dys-enteria
Hysteria
Rick Dysentheriot. I bet there is audio somewhere of Harry hilariously pronouncing Edgar Renteria's name in 1997.
Garbanzeria
Quote from: Shooter on November 07, 2013, 07:19:16 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 07, 2013, 09:09:46 AM
Quote from: CBStew on November 07, 2013, 09:01:38 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2013, 08:55:49 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 07, 2013, 08:12:50 AM
Rent Rickeria
Rick Brujeria
Diarrhea
Gonorrhea
Seborrhea
Pyorrhea
and so forth.
Rentstink Is Terrible
Dys-enteria
Hysteria
Rick Dysentheriot. I bet there is audio somewhere of Harry hilariously pronouncing Edgar Renteria's name in 1997.
Garbanzeria
Garbanztheirryofrelativelyinexperiencedmanagerialhires
Renteroleg.
Switching to this thread for Maddon talk. Really hoping this isn't a mere formality before he joins the Dodgers. Maddon was the runner-up when Theo hired Francona in Boston, so I guess it's possible.
DPD. I'd tell him to name his price if I were Theo. There aren't many difference makers you can put in that chair, but Maddon is one of the maybe two or three out there. Here's this (https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/525695528076451840), for what it's worth:
Quote from: Buster Olney @Buster_ESPNMy guess on Joe Maddon: He eventually winds up with the Cubs.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2014, 12:47:33 PM
DPD. I'd tell him to name his price if I were Theo. There aren't many difference makers you can put in that chair, but Maddon is one of the maybe two or three out there. Here's this (https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/525695528076451840), for what it's worth:
Quote from: Buster Olney @Buster_ESPNMy guess on Joe Maddon: He eventually winds up with the Cubs.
TPD (https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/525691821322559488) because I'm a Maddon geek.
Quote from: Ken Rosenthal @Ken_RosenthalSource: Maddon NOT heading to #Dodgers.
This right here is the acid test of Jepstink's commitment.
While Renteria became a much more conservative manager once Alacantra/Baez/Soler showed up, hiring Maddon and kicking Ricky upstairs would be a pretty large-scale improvement. It would also send a message that no matter who you are, if they can upgrade they're going to.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2014, 12:47:33 PM
There aren't many difference makers you can put in that chair, but Maddon is one of the maybe two or three out there.
I'm not even sure he's that much of a difference-maker.
Maybe a game or two over the course of a season, but every study has shown a manager's impact is negligible.
Not saying I wouldn't be a little excited if they got him (mostly because it'd be a pretty clear signal they want to win now), but I don't think there'd be a significant tangible difference over Renteria.
Quote from: Eli on October 24, 2014, 02:02:07 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2014, 12:47:33 PM
There aren't many difference makers you can put in that chair, but Maddon is one of the maybe two or three out there.
I'm not even sure he's that much of a difference-maker. Maybe a game or two over the course of a season, but every study has shown a manager's impact is negligible.
Not saying I wouldn't be a little excited if they got him (mostly because it'd be a pretty clear signal they want to win now), but I don't think there'd be a significant tangible difference over Renteria.
I think in the postseason the manager makes a much bigger impact.
Quote from: Fork on October 24, 2014, 01:55:17 PM
This right here is the acid test of Jepstink's commitment.
While Renteria became a much more conservative manager once Alacantra/Baez/Soler showed up, hiring Maddon and kicking Ricky upstairs would be a pretty large-scale improvement. It would also send a message that no matter who you are, if they can upgrade they're going to.
Ricketts' commitment moreso than JepStink. They may want him but may need Tom's okay to can Ricky.
Quote from: Eli on October 24, 2014, 02:02:07 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2014, 12:47:33 PM
There aren't many difference makers you can put in that chair, but Maddon is one of the maybe two or three out there.
I'm not even sure he's that much of a difference-maker. Maybe a game or two over the course of a season, but every study has shown a manager's impact is negligible.
Not saying I wouldn't be a little excited if they got him (mostly because it'd be a pretty clear signal they want to win now), but I don't think there'd be a significant tangible difference over Renteria.
Ok.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2014, 02:17:07 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 24, 2014, 02:02:07 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2014, 12:47:33 PM
There aren't many difference makers you can put in that chair, but Maddon is one of the maybe two or three out there.
I'm not even sure he's that much of a difference-maker. Maybe a game or two over the course of a season, but every study has shown a manager's impact is negligible.
Not saying I wouldn't be a little excited if they got him (mostly because it'd be a pretty clear signal they want to win now), but I don't think there'd be a significant tangible difference over Renteria.
Ok.
Did you have anything else to add?
Quote from: BH on October 24, 2014, 02:07:36 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 24, 2014, 02:02:07 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2014, 12:47:33 PM
There aren't many difference makers you can put in that chair, but Maddon is one of the maybe two or three out there.
I'm not even sure he's that much of a difference-maker. Maybe a game or two over the course of a season, but every study has shown a manager's impact is negligible.
Not saying I wouldn't be a little excited if they got him (mostly because it'd be a pretty clear signal they want to win now), but I don't think there'd be a significant tangible difference over Renteria.
I think in the postseason the manager makes a much bigger impact.
Just look at World Series Manager Butchie Yost.
Quote from: BH on October 24, 2014, 02:07:36 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 24, 2014, 02:02:07 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2014, 12:47:33 PM
There aren't many difference makers you can put in that chair, but Maddon is one of the maybe two or three out there.
I'm not even sure he's that much of a difference-maker. Maybe a game or two over the course of a season, but every study has shown a manager's impact is negligible.
Not saying I wouldn't be a little excited if they got him (mostly because it'd be a pretty clear signal they want to win now), but I don't think there'd be a significant tangible difference over Renteria.
I think in the postseason the manager makes a much bigger impact.
What BH said. Also if you think Maddon is even SLIGHTLY better than Renteria, you should be in favor of this move. Every advantage counts and it's not my money.
Quote from: R-V on October 24, 2014, 02:31:22 PM
Quote from: BH on October 24, 2014, 02:07:36 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 24, 2014, 02:02:07 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2014, 12:47:33 PM
There aren't many difference makers you can put in that chair, but Maddon is one of the maybe two or three out there.
I'm not even sure he's that much of a difference-maker. Maybe a game or two over the course of a season, but every study has shown a manager's impact is negligible.
Not saying I wouldn't be a little excited if they got him (mostly because it'd be a pretty clear signal they want to win now), but I don't think there'd be a significant tangible difference over Renteria.
I think in the postseason the manager makes a much bigger impact.
What BH said. Also if you think Maddon is even SLIGHTLY better than Renteria, you should be in favor of this move. Every advantage counts and it's not my money.
No, but it's Ricketts' money and he has a limited amount to spend on the team.
Quote from: Eli on October 24, 2014, 02:24:05 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2014, 02:17:07 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 24, 2014, 02:02:07 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2014, 12:47:33 PM
There aren't many difference makers you can put in that chair, but Maddon is one of the maybe two or three out there.
I'm not even sure he's that much of a difference-maker. Maybe a game or two over the course of a season, but every study has shown a manager's impact is negligible.
Not saying I wouldn't be a little excited if they got him (mostly because it'd be a pretty clear signal they want to win now), but I don't think there'd be a significant tangible difference over Renteria.
Ok.
Did you have anything else to add?
I figured I'd follow your lead.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2014, 02:43:07 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 24, 2014, 02:24:05 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2014, 02:17:07 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 24, 2014, 02:02:07 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2014, 12:47:33 PM
There aren't many difference makers you can put in that chair, but Maddon is one of the maybe two or three out there.
I'm not even sure he's that much of a difference-maker. Maybe a game or two over the course of a season, but every study has shown a manager's impact is negligible.
Not saying I wouldn't be a little excited if they got him (mostly because it'd be a pretty clear signal they want to win now), but I don't think there'd be a significant tangible difference over Renteria.
Ok.
Did you have anything else to add?
I figured I'd follow your lead.
I'm still unclear what you found objectionable in my post, but I apologize if I offended you somehow.
Quote from: Eli on October 24, 2014, 02:41:18 PM
Quote from: R-V on October 24, 2014, 02:31:22 PM
Quote from: BH on October 24, 2014, 02:07:36 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 24, 2014, 02:02:07 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2014, 12:47:33 PM
There aren't many difference makers you can put in that chair, but Maddon is one of the maybe two or three out there.
I'm not even sure he's that much of a difference-maker. Maybe a game or two over the course of a season, but every study has shown a manager's impact is negligible.
Not saying I wouldn't be a little excited if they got him (mostly because it'd be a pretty clear signal they want to win now), but I don't think there'd be a significant tangible difference over Renteria.
I think in the postseason the manager makes a much bigger impact.
What BH said. Also if you think Maddon is even SLIGHTLY better than Renteria, you should be in favor of this move. Every advantage counts and it's not my money.
No, but it's Ricketts' money and he has a limited amount to spend on the team.
The limit's increasing. #jumbotron
Quote from: Eli on October 24, 2014, 02:41:18 PM
Quote from: R-V on October 24, 2014, 02:31:22 PM
Quote from: BH on October 24, 2014, 02:07:36 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 24, 2014, 02:02:07 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2014, 12:47:33 PM
There aren't many difference makers you can put in that chair, but Maddon is one of the maybe two or three out there.
I'm not even sure he's that much of a difference-maker. Maybe a game or two over the course of a season, but every study has shown a manager's impact is negligible.
Not saying I wouldn't be a little excited if they got him (mostly because it'd be a pretty clear signal they want to win now), but I don't think there'd be a significant tangible difference over Renteria.
I think in the postseason the manager makes a much bigger impact.
What BH said. Also if you think Maddon is even SLIGHTLY better than Renteria, you should be in favor of this move. Every advantage counts and it's not my money.
No, but it's Ricketts' money and he has a limited amount to spend on the team.
Yes it's a totally inexact science - but hasn't the cost of a win generally been estimated at around $6 M over the last few years? Let's say Theo & Jed think he's worth an additional win per year - signing Maddon for 5 years/$25 M may well be a better investment than signing a free agent projected to be worth a win per year for 5/$25. I would think managerial skills are much less subject to year-to-year performance variance or injury risk (other than Clint Hurdle's balky hip).
Quote from: R-V on October 24, 2014, 03:04:25 PM
Yes it's a totally inexact science - but hasn't the cost of a win generally been estimated at around $6 M over the last few years? Let's say Theo & Jed think he's worth an additional win per year - signing Maddon for 5 years/$25 M may well be a better investment than signing a free agent projected to be worth a win per year for 5/$25. I would think managerial skills are much less subject to year-to-year performance variance or injury risk (other than Clint Hurdle's balky hip).
Totally possible.
Quote from: Eli on October 24, 2014, 02:41:18 PM
Quote from: R-V on October 24, 2014, 02:31:22 PM
Quote from: BH on October 24, 2014, 02:07:36 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 24, 2014, 02:02:07 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2014, 12:47:33 PM
There aren't many difference makers you can put in that chair, but Maddon is one of the maybe two or three out there.
I'm not even sure he's that much of a difference-maker. Maybe a game or two over the course of a season, but every study has shown a manager's impact is negligible.
Not saying I wouldn't be a little excited if they got him (mostly because it'd be a pretty clear signal they want to win now), but I don't think there'd be a significant tangible difference over Renteria.
I think in the postseason the manager makes a much bigger impact.
What BH said. Also if you think Maddon is even SLIGHTLY better than Renteria, you should be in favor of this move. Every advantage counts and it's not my money.
No, but it's Ricketts' money and he has a limited amount to spend on the team.
Based upon how many people have suddenly had their numbers come up for season tickets (myself included, just today - and at least one other Desipiot this fall), the Cubs seem to be interested in giving their revenue stream a big boost - get STHs in now, then see how many hang in there while ticket prices skyrocket once the team gets good.
EDIT: They still don't have a TV contract for next season, do they?
Quote from: Fork on October 24, 2014, 03:13:36 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 24, 2014, 02:41:18 PM
Quote from: R-V on October 24, 2014, 02:31:22 PM
Quote from: BH on October 24, 2014, 02:07:36 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 24, 2014, 02:02:07 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2014, 12:47:33 PM
There aren't many difference makers you can put in that chair, but Maddon is one of the maybe two or three out there.
I'm not even sure he's that much of a difference-maker. Maybe a game or two over the course of a season, but every study has shown a manager's impact is negligible.
Not saying I wouldn't be a little excited if they got him (mostly because it'd be a pretty clear signal they want to win now), but I don't think there'd be a significant tangible difference over Renteria.
I think in the postseason the manager makes a much bigger impact.
What BH said. Also if you think Maddon is even SLIGHTLY better than Renteria, you should be in favor of this move. Every advantage counts and it's not my money.
No, but it's Ricketts' money and he has a limited amount to spend on the team.
Based upon how many people have suddenly had their numbers come up for season tickets (myself included, just today - and at least one other Desipiot this fall), the Cubs seem to be interested in giving their revenue stream a big boost - get STHs in now, then see how many hang in there while ticket prices skyrocket once the team gets good.
EDIT: They still don't have a TV contract for next season, do they?
They do not- they are hoping to have it wrapped up by December.
Quote from: thehawk on October 24, 2014, 04:20:12 PM
Quote from: Fork on October 24, 2014, 03:13:36 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 24, 2014, 02:41:18 PM
Quote from: R-V on October 24, 2014, 02:31:22 PM
Quote from: BH on October 24, 2014, 02:07:36 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 24, 2014, 02:02:07 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2014, 12:47:33 PM
There aren't many difference makers you can put in that chair, but Maddon is one of the maybe two or three out there.
I'm not even sure he's that much of a difference-maker. Maybe a game or two over the course of a season, but every study has shown a manager's impact is negligible.
Not saying I wouldn't be a little excited if they got him (mostly because it'd be a pretty clear signal they want to win now), but I don't think there'd be a significant tangible difference over Renteria.
I think in the postseason the manager makes a much bigger impact.
What BH said. Also if you think Maddon is even SLIGHTLY better than Renteria, you should be in favor of this move. Every advantage counts and it's not my money.
No, but it's Ricketts' money and he has a limited amount to spend on the team.
Based upon how many people have suddenly had their numbers come up for season tickets (myself included, just today - and at least one other Desipiot this fall), the Cubs seem to be interested in giving their revenue stream a big boost - get STHs in now, then see how many hang in there while ticket prices skyrocket once the team gets good.
EDIT: They still don't have a TV contract for next season, do they?
They do not- they are hoping to have it wrapped up by December.
So this will give them another nice revenue bump until both this contract and the Comcast one expire in 5 years, when they launch CubsNet or whatever they decide to call it.
(IF the Cubs get Maddon): I wish I knew more about Smilin' Rick to say, but I wonder if he'd like a chance to work with Joe Maddon and could be talked into being his bench coach or a special assistant to Jed or Theo or something. That way he'd still be around to work with guys like Castro, Soler, Baez, but they could also still hire Joe. Renteria would be completely within his rights to say screw you guys and take the money, but I wonder if he'd have any interest in staying.
Can we talk about the idea of Ozzie Guillen on the Cubs' staff?
I kind of love it.
Quote from: Slaky on October 27, 2014, 09:43:14 AM
Can we talk about the idea of Ozzie Guillen on the Cubs' staff?
I kind of love it.
I don't really hate Ozzie.
Objectively, as a manager, I kept thinking he was a gritty flat-earther but regardless of how I felt about his style, his teams seemed to consistently outperform their projections. And though it's not really a quantifiable asset, it seemed he did a good job of deflecting attention away from his players when the going go rough. Marc Trestman's mealy-mouthed weenie-ism in the face of everything going to shit is making me long for such insanity.
All that said, I don't know how any of this would pertain to his role as a possible bench coach. For entertainment purposes, though, sure--why not?
Quote from: PANK! on October 27, 2014, 09:52:33 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 27, 2014, 09:43:14 AM
Can we talk about the idea of Ozzie Guillen on the Cubs' staff?
I kind of love it.
I don't really hate Ozzie.
Objectively, as a manager, I kept thinking he was a gritty flat-earther but regardless of how I felt about his style, his teams seemed to consistently outperform their projections. And though it's not really a quantifiable asset, it seemed he did a good job of deflecting attention away from his players when the going go rough. Marc Trestman's mealy-mouthed weenie-ism in the face of everything going to shit is making me long for such insanity.
All that said, I don't know how any of this would pertain to his role as a possible bench coach. For entertainment purposes, though, sure--why not?
I don't know what actual good can come out of it but the possible harm that he could cause by getting behind a microphone on air for any amount of time would seem to outweigh any benefit. Why invite that on purpose?
Quote from: InternetApex on October 27, 2014, 10:03:32 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 27, 2014, 09:52:33 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 27, 2014, 09:43:14 AM
Can we talk about the idea of Ozzie Guillen on the Cubs' staff?
I kind of love it.
I don't really hate Ozzie.
Objectively, as a manager, I kept thinking he was a gritty flat-earther but regardless of how I felt about his style, his teams seemed to consistently outperform their projections. And though it's not really a quantifiable asset, it seemed he did a good job of deflecting attention away from his players when the going go rough. Marc Trestman's mealy-mouthed weenie-ism in the face of everything going to shit is making me long for such insanity.
All that said, I don't know how any of this would pertain to his role as a possible bench coach. For entertainment purposes, though, sure--why not?
I don't know what actual good can come out of it but the possible harm that he could cause by getting behind a microphone on air for any amount of time would seem to outweigh any benefit. Why invite that on purpose?
I enjoy the idea of Sox fans getting physically sick every time they see him in that uniform.
Slak just beat me to the punch.
Yeah, I don't give enough of a shit about the White Sox to care what their fans think about the Cubs bench coach. I'm not saying it's a horrible move. It's just that there is considerable risk and the media would be all over it trying to pry something out of Ozzie as soon as the team hits a rough patch. That would fire up the meatballs you're hoping to see in physical agony. I'm out on Ozzie.
Quote from: InternetApex on October 27, 2014, 10:44:27 AM
Yeah, I don't give enough of a shit about the White Sox to care what their fans think about the Cubs bench coach. I'm not saying it's a horrible move. It's just that there is considerable risk and the media would be all over it trying to pry something out of Ozzie as soon as the team hits a rough patch. That would fire up the meatballs you're hoping to see in physical agony. I'm out on Ozzie.
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Quote from: InternetApex on October 27, 2014, 10:44:27 AM
Yeah, I don't give enough of a shit about the White Sox to care what their fans think about the Cubs bench coach. I'm not saying it's a horrible move. It's just that there is considerable risk and the media would be all over it trying to pry something out of Ozzie as soon as the team hits a rough patch. That would fire up the meatballs you're hoping to see in physical agony. I'm out on Ozzie.
Thirds on THIS.
I'm all in for Maddon, but Ozzie can stay the fuck away.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 28, 2014, 10:43:02 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on October 27, 2014, 10:44:27 AM
Yeah, I don't give enough of a shit about the White Sox to care what their fans think about the Cubs bench coach. I'm not saying it's a horrible move. It's just that there is considerable risk and the media would be all over it trying to pry something out of Ozzie as soon as the team hits a rough patch. That would fire up the meatballs you're hoping to see in physical agony. I'm out on Ozzie.
Thirds on THIS.
I'm all in for Maddon, but Ozzie can stay the fuck away.
If the Cubs are hiring Maddon to be the Pennant Whisperer, or whatever kind of magician they're going to sell him as, you sure as hell don't hire a media whore like Ozzie to be a bench coach.
Things are happening. (https://twitter.com/jonheymancbs/status/527572122642944001)
#hugetits
Quote from: Eli on October 29, 2014, 04:41:31 PM
Things are happening. (https://twitter.com/jonheymancbs/status/527572122642944001)
#hugetits
OMG WERE GETTING JOHN MADDEN?!
For real, if this is true (and let's assume it is) it's amazing.
Whether he's a much better manager than Renteria or not (or if that's really even possible) the fact that they've landed the best possible and most sought after option speaks volumes about this front office and how they're perceived.
Do we still have the Rod Marinelli in Madden glasses photoshop somewhere? I need that.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 29, 2014, 05:06:11 PM
For real, if this is true (and let's assume it is) it's amazing.
Whether he's a much better manager than Renteria or not (or if that's really even possible) the fact that they've landed the best possible and most sought after option speaks volumes about this front office and how they're perceived.
So you're saying he's as good a hire as Dusty Baker or Lou Piniella were?
Quote from: Fork on October 30, 2014, 07:49:57 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 29, 2014, 05:06:11 PM
For real, if this is true (and let's assume it is) it's amazing.
Whether he's a much better manager than Renteria or not (or if that's really even possible) the fact that they've landed the best possible and most sought after option speaks volumes about this front office and how they're perceived.
So you're saying he's as good a hire as Dusty Baker or Lou Piniella were?
I'm guessing that's some kind of joke based on Hendry having made two really good managerial hires while he was in charge.
Theo's group has not yet done so. They have now. There are still portions of the fan base who think he's actually sabotaging the big league club and just cashing a check. This will begin the process of shutting them the fuck up.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 29, 2014, 05:06:11 PM
For real, if this is true (and let's assume it is) it's amazing.
Whether he's Wannstedt's a much better manager coach than Renteria Ditka or not (or if that's really even possible) the fact that they've landed the best possible and most sought after option speaks volumes about this front office and how they're perceived.
1993'd
I hate Cub fans so, so fucking much.
Really this whole "who can forget Lou Piniella/Dusty Baker haha cubs fans don't get excited you twits" is irritating because it assumes there are any rational Cub fans out there who think a manager alone is a key piece to a winning team. I think it's safe to say we're all more excited because this is a clear indication from the front office that their belief that they can contend in 2015 is more than just words. Joe's a symbol. Nothing more.
The Rays led the AL in SH attempts.
LESS OF THAT BUNTING MORE OF THIS BUNTING.
(http://i.imgur.com/SiNqvPM.jpg)
#GEEWHIZTHEOGETTHERIGHTKINDOFBUNTING
Quote from: SKO on October 30, 2014, 09:19:21 AM
Really this whole "who can forget Lou Piniella/Dusty Baker haha cubs fans don't get excited you twits" is irritating because it assumes there are any rational Cub fans out there who think a manager alone is a key piece to a winning team. I think it's safe to say we're all more excited because this is a clear indication from the front office that their belief that they can contend in 2015 is more than just words. Joe's a symbol. Nothing more.
Haha Javy Baez what makes you think he's any better than Korey Patterson haha Jorge Soler what makes you think he's any better than Felix Pie Haha Kris Bryant Gary Scott haha Theo Epstink Andy MacPhail haha Joe Maddon Dusty Piniella hahahahahaha....
The Tribune Company is out. Wrigley Field is a pile of asbestos. The past is the past and other than Javier Baez who the new brass retained at their own pleasure (for now), the current organization has absolutely nothing to do with the past. I think most of the jeering above is coming from insecure Sox fans and "Cub" fans who don't really watch or like baseball all that much.
We can have no pleasure in watching those people eat their words yet. Not for awhile. But I somehow know that's coming. And I can wait a few more months.
Quote from: Slaky on October 17, 2014, 11:45:10 AM
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 17, 2014, 11:37:01 AM
Keeping Smilin' Rick is fine for now, unless they have a shot at a post-Friedman Joe Maddon.
I do think Ricky does good work when it comes to making players feel good and happy. At least he has so far. That is very important. I hope he learns and grows with the on field stuff. I'm not really too interested in seeing them change managers all the time.
Starlin Castro has had 4 managers in his 5 MLB years
Right. Ricky will be here unless the Cubs somehow lose 100 games again next year or there's a player revolt. There's no point in getting worked up over Joe Maddon or anyone else.
Well, we sure look stupid.
Quote from: Yeti on October 30, 2014, 10:02:57 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 17, 2014, 11:45:10 AM
Quote from: Yeti on October 17, 2014, 11:41:54 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 17, 2014, 11:38:10 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 17, 2014, 11:37:01 AM
Keeping Smilin' Rick is fine for now, unless they have a shot at a post-Friedman Joe Maddon.
I do think Ricky does good work when it comes to making players feel good and happy. At least he has so far. That is very important. I hope he learns and grows with the on field stuff. I'm not really too interested in seeing them change managers all the time.
Starlin Castro has had 4 managers in his 5 MLB years
Right. Ricky will be here unless the Cubs somehow lose 100 games again next year or there's a player revolt. There's no point in getting worked up over Joe Maddon or anyone else.
Well, we sure look stupid.
No point.
Quote from: ChuckD on October 30, 2014, 09:50:13 AM
The Rays led the AL in SH attempts.
LESS OF THAT BUNTING MORE OF THIS BUNTING.
(http://i.imgur.com/SiNqvPM.jpg)
#GEEWHIZTHEOGETTHERIGHTKINDOFBUNTING
wait is your maths against Joe Maddon? Plz tell me the maths like him.
Quote from: Slaky on October 30, 2014, 08:01:07 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 30, 2014, 07:49:57 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 29, 2014, 05:06:11 PM
For real, if this is true (and let's assume it is) it's amazing.
Whether he's a much better manager than Renteria or not (or if that's really even possible) the fact that they've landed the best possible and most sought after option speaks volumes about this front office and how they're perceived.
So you're saying he's as good a hire as Dusty Baker or Lou Piniella were?
I'm guessing that's some kind of joke based on Hendry having made two really good managerial hires while he was in charge.
Theo's group has not yet done so. They have now. There are still portions of the fan base who think he's actually sabotaging the big league club and just cashing a check. This will begin the process of shutting them the fuck up.
Just saying hiring Maddon (or even Renteria) doesn't represent a sea change from the Hendry regime - hiring managers was the one thing they actually did pretty well.
The one difference is that while Renteria didn't do a bad job last year, they saw an opportunity for improvement and seized upon it. Teams generally don't replace a manager unless they're not happy with the one in place.
Quote from: Fork on October 30, 2014, 10:26:22 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 30, 2014, 08:01:07 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 30, 2014, 07:49:57 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 29, 2014, 05:06:11 PM
For real, if this is true (and let's assume it is) it's amazing.
Whether he's a much better manager than Renteria or not (or if that's really even possible) the fact that they've landed the best possible and most sought after option speaks volumes about this front office and how they're perceived.
So you're saying he's as good a hire as Dusty Baker or Lou Piniella were?
I'm guessing that's some kind of joke based on Hendry having made two really good managerial hires while he was in charge.
Theo's group has not yet done so. They have now. There are still portions of the fan base who think he's actually sabotaging the big league club and just cashing a check. This will begin the process of shutting them the fuck up.
Just saying hiring Maddon (or even Renteria) doesn't represent a sea change from the Hendry regime - hiring managers was the one thing they actually did pretty well.
The one difference is that while Renteria didn't do a bad job last year, they saw an opportunity for improvement and seized upon it. Teams generally don't replace a manager unless they're not happy with the one in place.
My understanding is that Maddon manages with a style that completely jells with the philosophy that Jepstink has for the ballclub, which differs completely from the hires of their predecessors who had no discernible philosophy for the ballclub.
Quote from: InternetApex on October 30, 2014, 10:34:40 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 30, 2014, 10:26:22 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 30, 2014, 08:01:07 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 30, 2014, 07:49:57 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 29, 2014, 05:06:11 PM
For real, if this is true (and let's assume it is) it's amazing.
Whether he's a much better manager than Renteria or not (or if that's really even possible) the fact that they've landed the best possible and most sought after option speaks volumes about this front office and how they're perceived.
So you're saying he's as good a hire as Dusty Baker or Lou Piniella were?
I'm guessing that's some kind of joke based on Hendry having made two really good managerial hires while he was in charge.
Theo's group has not yet done so. They have now. There are still portions of the fan base who think he's actually sabotaging the big league club and just cashing a check. This will begin the process of shutting them the fuck up.
Just saying hiring Maddon (or even Renteria) doesn't represent a sea change from the Hendry regime - hiring managers was the one thing they actually did pretty well.
The one difference is that while Renteria didn't do a bad job last year, they saw an opportunity for improvement and seized upon it. Teams generally don't replace a manager unless they're not happy with the one in place.
My understanding is that Maddon manages with a style that completely jells with the philosophy that Jepstink has for the ballclub, which differs completely from the hires of their predecessors who had no discernible philosophy for the ballclub.
Maddon also has a wee bit of history in getting young players adjusted to the MLB.
Quote from: PANK! on October 30, 2014, 10:09:37 AM
Quote from: Yeti on October 30, 2014, 10:02:57 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 17, 2014, 11:45:10 AM
Quote from: Yeti on October 17, 2014, 11:41:54 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 17, 2014, 11:38:10 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 17, 2014, 11:37:01 AM
Keeping Smilin' Rick is fine for now, unless they have a shot at a post-Friedman Joe Maddon.
I do think Ricky does good work when it comes to making players feel good and happy. At least he has so far. That is very important. I hope he learns and grows with the on field stuff. I'm not really too interested in seeing them change managers all the time.
Starlin Castro has had 4 managers in his 5 MLB years
Right. Ricky will be here unless the Cubs somehow lose 100 games again next year or there's a player revolt. There's no point in getting worked up over Joe Maddon or anyone else.
Well, we sure look stupid.
No point.
I should have known he'd opt out of a clause in his contract no one knew existed until Friedman left. Damn it.
Does this mean Joepstink's going to lure David Price and James Shields here and then trade a sack of balls for a lightly-used BJ Upton?
Quote from: ChuckD on October 30, 2014, 11:54:04 AM
Does this mean Joepstink's going to lure David Price and James Shields here and then trade a sack of balls for a lightly-used BJ Upton?
Whatever Maddon's in-game pros and cons are - it's hard to ignore that adding him to Wrigley, a shitload of young hitting talent, and the chance to touch Jake Arrieta's beard - you got a stew goin baby. Players are going to want to come here again.
Quote from: Slaky on October 30, 2014, 11:59:26 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 30, 2014, 11:54:04 AM
Does this mean Joepstink's going to lure David Price and James Shields here and then trade a sack of balls for a lightly-used BJ Upton?
Whatever Maddon's in-game pros and cons are - it's hard to ignore that adding him to Wrigley, a shitload of young hitting talent, and the chance to touch Jake Arrieta's beard - you got a stew goin baby. Players are going to want to come here again.
I'd put a healthy wager down that the clubhouse renovation will have the biggest impact in getting players to sign or waive their no-trades.
Look at this shit:
(http://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/assets/4515419/ClubhouseUpperAerial05.25a.jpg)
Compared to the current clubhouse: https://secure.flickr.com/photos/mdu2boy/2593548881/in/photostream/lightbox/
Quote from: Slaky on October 30, 2014, 11:59:26 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 30, 2014, 11:54:04 AM
Does this mean Joepstink's going to lure David Price and James Shields here and then trade a sack of balls for a lightly-used BJ Upton?
Whatever Maddon's in-game pros and cons are - it's hard to ignore that adding him to Wrigley, a shitload of young hitting talent, and the chance to touch Jake Arrieta's beard - you got a stew goin baby. Players are going to want to come here again.
I just straight up laughed.
Quote from: Slaky on October 30, 2014, 11:59:26 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 30, 2014, 11:54:04 AM
Does this mean Joepstink's going to lure David Price and James Shields here and then trade a sack of balls for a lightly-used BJ Upton?
Whatever Maddon's in-game pros and cons are - it's hard to ignore that adding him to Wrigley, a shitload of young hitting talent, and the chance to touch Jake Arrieta's beard - you got a stew goin baby. Players are going to want to come here again.
lower case "s"
Quote from: ChuckD on October 30, 2014, 11:54:04 AM
Does this mean Joepstink's going to lure David Price and James Shields here and then trade a sack of balls for a lightly-used BJ Upton?
I sure hope not.
Quote from: Eli on October 30, 2014, 01:20:35 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 30, 2014, 11:54:04 AM
Does this mean Joepstink's going to lure David Price and James Shields here and then trade a sack of balls for a lightly-used BJ Upton?
I sure hope not.
I thought they said they were looking to add contact and OBP to augment the free-swinging lineup they've got projected, lest they actually LITERALLY become the fucking Braves.
Quote from: InternetApex on October 30, 2014, 01:29:00 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 30, 2014, 01:20:35 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 30, 2014, 11:54:04 AM
Does this mean Joepstink's going to lure David Price and James Shields here and then trade a sack of balls for a lightly-used BJ Upton?
I sure hope not.
I thought they said they were looking to add contact and OBP to augment the free-swinging lineup they've got projected, lest they actually LITERALLY become the fucking Braves.
Even in a swap for Edlose, this is a bad idea.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 30, 2014, 01:54:57 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on October 30, 2014, 01:29:00 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 30, 2014, 01:20:35 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 30, 2014, 11:54:04 AM
Does this mean Joepstink's going to lure David Price and James Shields here and then trade a sack of balls for a lightly-used BJ Upton?
I sure hope not.
I thought they said they were looking to add contact and OBP to augment the free-swinging lineup they've got projected, lest they actually LITERALLY become the fucking Braves.
Even in a swap for Edlose, this is a bad idea.
IT'S GONNA HAPPEN
Quote from: ChuckD on October 30, 2014, 12:10:36 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 30, 2014, 11:59:26 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 30, 2014, 11:54:04 AM
Does this mean Joepstink's going to lure David Price and James Shields here and then trade a sack of balls for a lightly-used BJ Upton?
Whatever Maddon's in-game pros and cons are - it's hard to ignore that adding him to Wrigley, a shitload of young hitting talent, and the chance to touch Jake Arrieta's beard - you got a stew goin baby. Players are going to want to come here again.
I'd put a healthy wager down that the clubhouse renovation will have the biggest impact in getting players to sign or waive their no-trades.
Look at this shit:
(http://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/assets/4515419/ClubhouseUpperAerial05.25a.jpg)
Compared to the current clubhouse: https://secure.flickr.com/photos/mdu2boy/2593548881/in/photostream/lightbox/
If you get the chance to do the Wrigley Field Tour, it's pretty cool...once you see the clubhouses, first thing I wondered was, "how the hell did they fit NFL teams in there?"
Quote from: Yeti on October 30, 2014, 10:02:57 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 17, 2014, 11:45:10 AM
Quote from: Yeti on October 17, 2014, 11:41:54 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 17, 2014, 11:38:10 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 17, 2014, 11:37:01 AM
Keeping Smilin' Rick is fine for now, unless they have a shot at a post-Friedman Joe Maddon.
I do think Ricky does good work when it comes to making players feel good and happy. At least he has so far. That is very important. I hope he learns and grows with the on field stuff. I'm not really too interested in seeing them change managers all the time.
Starlin Castro has had 4 managers in his 5 MLB years
Right. Ricky will be here unless the Cubs somehow lose 100 games again next year or there's a player revolt. There's no point in getting worked up over Joe Maddon or anyone else.
Well, we sure look stupid.
I don't. Totally called it. Sort of.
DPD. More injustice for Ricky Renteria, who doesn't even merit mention as a qualified minority candidate from Jon Heyman (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/25192787/mlb-needs-more-minority-managers-a-list-of-the-best-available-candidates-). This is like Theo's dirty dirty tampering all over again.
(For real though, Rick deserves another shot somewhere.)