QuoteUnsaid: "If the Giants offer Cain, Bumgarner and Lincecum, you can kiss Starlin's Afro-Dominican ass goodbye."
Since Epstoyer might finally fulfill my lifelong dream that the Cubs TRADE EVERYONE, let's separate that hope from the nutpunch Cubs thread.
Cubs trade Starlin Castro to SF for Theriot and Pagan and a wrong to be righted later. Or not.
If this is gonna be a wrong-righting thread, what do you think it'd take to wrest Dontrelle away from the Orioles?
ERIK HINSKEY IS STILL PLAYING BALL IN ADLANTA!
Ok, since you're being so nice about it.
Feud suspended indefinitely.
*mounts jeep and orders driver to speed away in a huff*
Here's a right-this-wrong 2012 batting line for you: .353/.386/.608/.994 (age 27 season).
Spoiler: That's Felix Pie's Dominican ass in its 13 games (57 PA) with the Camden Riversharks of the independent Atlantic League. (He has since signed with Atlanta and put up a .271/.283/.407/.690 line in 18 games (61 PA) with the AAA Gwinnett Braves.)
Former Cubs almost-legend Chris Archer will make his ML debut against Stephen Strasburg tonight. That's a developing wrong that will soon require righting.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 02, 2012, 12:31:09 PM
If this is gonna be a wrong-righting thread, what do you think it'd take to wrest Dontrelle away from the Orioles?
A bag of magic beans?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 20, 2012, 10:58:47 AM
Former Cubs almost-legend Chris Archer will make his ML debut against Stephen Strasburg tonight. That's a developing wrong that will soon require righting.
any relation?
Quote from: Fork on June 20, 2012, 12:11:24 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 20, 2012, 10:58:47 AM
Former Cubs almost-legend Chris Archer will make his ML debut against Stephen Strasburg tonight. That's a developing wrong that will soon require righting.
any relation?
We're not sure if his Aunt Mallory will be in attendance.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 20, 2012, 10:58:47 AM
Former Cubs almost-legend Chris Archer will make his ML debut against Stephen Strasburg tonight. That's a developing wrong that will soon require righting.
Let it be known that he is not white
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on June 20, 2012, 12:59:03 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 20, 2012, 10:58:47 AM
Former Cubs almost-legend Chris Archer will make his ML debut against Stephen Strasburg tonight. That's a developing wrong that will soon require righting.
Let it be known that he is not white
Conway. /vomits
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on June 20, 2012, 12:59:03 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 20, 2012, 10:58:47 AM
Former Cubs almost-legend Chris Archer will make his ML debut against Stephen Strasburg tonight. That's a developing wrong that will soon require righting.
Let it be known that he is not white
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Think Theo knows how to buy low? (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/nl/giants/story/2012-06-21/tim-lincecum-san-francisco-giants/55752324/1)
That aside, it's hard not to read this whole thing without feeling awful for the guy. I don't think his dad is helping though.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 22, 2012, 04:09:42 PM
Think Theo knows how to buy low? (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/nl/giants/story/2012-06-21/tim-lincecum-san-francisco-giants/55752324/1)
That aside, it's hard not to read this whole thing without feeling awful for the guy. I don't think his dad is helping though.
When you watch Lincecum pitch you can't help feeling that you are watching a Tommy John surgery in the making.
Yankees - Sabathia - Pettitte + Dempster + Garza = WIN(WIN)?
DPD. Carlos Lee traded to Miami.
I have no idea if this is a serious, sarcastic or satirical thread.
Quote from: PenPho on July 05, 2012, 04:41:46 PM
I have no idea if this is a serious, sarcastic or satirical thread.
or Satanic.
Quote from: PenPho on July 05, 2012, 04:41:46 PM
I have no idea if this is a serious, sarcastic or satirical thread.
Yes.
Quote from: Eli on July 05, 2012, 10:21:28 PM
Quote from: PenPho on July 05, 2012, 04:41:46 PM
I have no idea if this is a serious, sarcastic or satirical thread.
Yes.
I wanted a trade thread. It's only what you make it, so, right now it's annoying and butthurt-inspiring. Pretty much standard Desipio, no?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 06, 2012, 08:48:21 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 05, 2012, 10:21:28 PM
Quote from: PenPho on July 05, 2012, 04:41:46 PM
I have no idea if this is a serious, sarcastic or satirical thread.
Yes.
I wanted a trade thread. It's only what you make it, so, right now it's annoying and butthurt-inspiring. Pretty much standard Desipio, no?
If anybody gets traded like, say, Carlos Lee, we can all have a race to post. (SPOILER ALERT: You'll win it.) Sounds groovy.
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 06, 2012, 03:42:06 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 06, 2012, 08:48:21 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 05, 2012, 10:21:28 PM
Quote from: PenPho on July 05, 2012, 04:41:46 PM
I have no idea if this is a serious, sarcastic or satirical thread.
Yes.
I wanted a trade thread. It's only what you make it, so, right now it's annoying and butthurt-inspiring. Pretty much standard Desipio, no?
If anybody gets traded like, say, Carlos Lee, we can all have a race to post. (SPOILER ALERT: You'll win it.) Sounds groovy.
I thought not having to watch him launch dongs at Wrigley for a division opponent would be news. Then I realized none of us are watching the Cubs anyway.
Quote10:34pm: Alfonso Soriano has told the Cubs he won't accept a trade to San Francisco, Jim Bowden of ESPN.com and MLB Network Radio tweets.
Contending is so overrated.
Arodys Vizcaino, Jaye Chapman, and Jacob Brigham (Rangers Soto trade), welcome to the Cubs
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on July 30, 2012, 10:51:32 PM
Arodys Vizcaino, Jaye Chapman, and Jacob Brigham (Rangers Soto trade), welcome to the Cubs
Unless some of those guys came from Atlanta, that seems like a hell of a haul for Soto.
Theo apparently has Hendry's penchant for guys with Tommy John's Disease...even if he's the #3 prospect in the Braves' organization.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 30, 2012, 11:23:57 PM
Quote from: Tollbooth Yeti on July 30, 2012, 10:51:32 PM
Arodys Vizcaino, Jaye Chapman, and Jacob Brigham (Rangers Soto trade), welcome to the Cubs
Unless some of those guys came from Atlanta, that seems like a hell of a haul for Soto.
Yea, only Brigham was from Texas. Other two, Atlanta. My bad
Victorino to the Dodgers. Ned Colletti and Magic Johnson in unison say "FYC!"
Don't look now, but Dempster, Garza and Soriano are still Cubs
Quote from: CBStew on July 31, 2012, 03:18:30 PM
Don't look now, but Dempster, Garza and Soriano are still Cubs
Texas Toasted
It wouldn't be too difficult for the Cubs to make some good trades after the deadline. That's the benefit of having pricey players and a shitty record.
Quote from: Canadouche on July 31, 2012, 03:28:32 PM
It wouldn't be too difficult for the Cubs to make some good trades after the deadline. That's the benefit of having pricey players and a shitty record.
Yeah, Soriano could definitely still go with that contract.
QuoteThe Cubs were also talking to the Yankees, a team Dempster reportedly would have agreed to join because of his relationships with Yankees special adviser and former Cubs general manager Jim Hendry and pitching coach Larry Rothschild.
How sweet.
Quote from: Eli on July 31, 2012, 04:17:33 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on July 31, 2012, 03:28:32 PM
It wouldn't be too difficult for the Cubs to make some good trades after the deadline. That's the benefit of having pricey players and a shitty record.
Yeah, Soriano could definitely still go with that contract.
Unless the rules prohibit it in a way in which I'm not familiar, the Cubs would just have to negotiate to eat a big chunk of the contract for any interested team, just as they would've done had he been traded. Or the more likely option -- he passes waivers unclaimed.
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 31, 2012, 03:21:42 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 31, 2012, 03:18:30 PM
Don't look now, but Dempster, Garza and Soriano are still Cubs
Texas Toasted
Is it still a trade if the Cubs don't get anything in return? (right-hander Kyle Hendricks and third baseman Christian Villanueva)
Quote from: CBStew on July 31, 2012, 05:01:58 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 31, 2012, 03:21:42 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 31, 2012, 03:18:30 PM
Don't look now, but Dempster, Garza and Soriano are still Cubs
Texas Toasted
Is it still a trade if the Cubs don't get anything in return?
I admit I do not know. Thinking about it makes my brain hurt. Knowing Dempster is gone makes it feel much better though.
Quote from: Canadouche on July 31, 2012, 05:00:45 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 31, 2012, 04:17:33 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on July 31, 2012, 03:28:32 PM
It wouldn't be too difficult for the Cubs to make some good trades after the deadline. That's the benefit of having pricey players and a shitty record.
Yeah, Soriano could definitely still go with that contract.
Unless the rules prohibit it in a way in which I'm not familiar, the Cubs would just have to negotiate to eat a big chunk of the contract for any interested team, just as they would've done had he been traded. Or the more likely option -- he passes waivers unclaimed.
Soriano is right in Kenny Williams's wheelhouse. He got some mention as possibly going to Detroit, so Thed just has to put him on waivers, let Kenny claim him to block him from going to Detroit, and let him go, salary and all. The Sox will have their new Alex Rios (to go with their current Alex Rios).
Quote from: CBStew on July 31, 2012, 05:01:58 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 31, 2012, 03:21:42 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 31, 2012, 03:18:30 PM
Don't look now, but Dempster, Garza and Soriano are still Cubs
Texas Toasted
Is it still a trade if the Cubs don't get anything in return? (right-hander Kyle Hendricks and third baseman Christian Villanueva)
Hendricks had some outstanding numbers in A ball. That's like a little something.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/19802946/alfonso-soriano-clears-waivers-and-can-be-dealt-how-about-the-giants
QuoteCubs outfielder Alfonso Soriano has cleared waivers and is eligible to be traded anywhere (provided he gives his approval), sources tell CBSSports.com.
...
Carlos Marmol also has cleared waivers.
Quote from: CBStew on July 31, 2012, 05:01:58 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 31, 2012, 03:21:42 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 31, 2012, 03:18:30 PM
Don't look now, but Dempster, Garza and Soriano are still Cubs
Texas Toasted
Is it still a trade if the Cubs don't get anything in return? (right-hander Kyle Hendricks and third baseman Christian Villanueva)
You know, when I think of the name Hendricks, I picture a Villanueva.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 15, 2012, 06:37:25 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 31, 2012, 05:01:58 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 31, 2012, 03:21:42 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 31, 2012, 03:18:30 PM
Don't look now, but Dempster, Garza and Soriano are still Cubs
Texas Toasted
Is it still a trade if the Cubs don't get anything in return? (right-hander Kyle Hendricks and third baseman Christian Villanueva)
You know, when I think of the name Hendricks, I picture a Villanueva.
You know, Chuck, there genuinely are times when I feel bad for how quickly you get dogpiled...and then I read something like this...you
like it don't you?
Quote from: PANK! on August 15, 2012, 10:19:36 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 15, 2012, 06:37:25 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 31, 2012, 05:01:58 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 31, 2012, 03:21:42 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 31, 2012, 03:18:30 PM
Don't look now, but Dempster, Garza and Soriano are still Cubs
Texas Toasted
Is it still a trade if the Cubs don't get anything in return? (right-hander Kyle Hendricks and third baseman Christian Villanueva)
You know, when I think of the name Hendricks, I picture a Villanueva.
You know, Chuck, there genuinely are times when I feel bad for how quickly you get dogpiled...and then I read something like this...you like it don't you?
This is one where, if I didn't say it, someone would have Intrepid Readered it to me.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 15, 2012, 10:32:55 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 15, 2012, 10:19:36 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 15, 2012, 06:37:25 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 31, 2012, 05:01:58 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 31, 2012, 03:21:42 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 31, 2012, 03:18:30 PM
Don't look now, but Dempster, Garza and Soriano are still Cubs
Texas Toasted
Is it still a trade if the Cubs don't get anything in return? (right-hander Kyle Hendricks and third baseman Christian Villanueva)
You know, when I think of the name Hendricks, I picture a Villanueva.
You know, Chuck, there genuinely are times when I feel bad for how quickly you get dogpiled...and then I read something like this...you like it don't you?
This is one where, if I didn't say it, someone would have Intrepid Readered it to me.
No, Chuck.
Quote from: Fork on August 16, 2012, 07:45:17 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 15, 2012, 10:32:55 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 15, 2012, 10:19:36 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 15, 2012, 06:37:25 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 31, 2012, 05:01:58 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 31, 2012, 03:21:42 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 31, 2012, 03:18:30 PM
Don't look now, but Dempster, Garza and Soriano are still Cubs
Texas Toasted
Is it still a trade if the Cubs don't get anything in return? (right-hander Kyle Hendricks and third baseman Christian Villanueva)
You know, when I think of the name Hendricks, I picture a Villanueva.
You know, Chuck, there genuinely are times when I feel bad for how quickly you get dogpiled...and then I read something like this...you like it don't you?
This is one where, if I didn't say it, someone would have Intrepid Readered it to me.
No, Chuck.
Well...maybe.
Quote from: PANK! on August 16, 2012, 05:57:56 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 16, 2012, 07:45:17 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 15, 2012, 10:32:55 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 15, 2012, 10:19:36 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 15, 2012, 06:37:25 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 31, 2012, 05:01:58 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 31, 2012, 03:21:42 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 31, 2012, 03:18:30 PM
Don't look now, but Dempster, Garza and Soriano are still Cubs
Texas Toasted
Is it still a trade if the Cubs don't get anything in return? (right-hander Kyle Hendricks and third baseman Christian Villanueva)
You know, when I think of the name Hendricks, I picture a Villanueva.
You know, Chuck, there genuinely are times when I feel bad for how quickly you get dogpiled...and then I read something like this...you like it don't you?
This is one where, if I didn't say it, someone would have Intrepid Readered it to me.
No, Chuck.
Well...maybe.
We'd have been funnier.
Quote from: Bort on August 16, 2012, 06:04:48 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 16, 2012, 05:57:56 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 16, 2012, 07:45:17 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 15, 2012, 10:32:55 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 15, 2012, 10:19:36 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 15, 2012, 06:37:25 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 31, 2012, 05:01:58 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 31, 2012, 03:21:42 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 31, 2012, 03:18:30 PM
Don't look now, but Dempster, Garza and Soriano are still Cubs
Texas Toasted
Is it still a trade if the Cubs don't get anything in return? (right-hander Kyle Hendricks and third baseman Christian Villanueva)
You know, when I think of the name Hendricks, I picture a Villanueva.
You know, Chuck, there genuinely are times when I feel bad for how quickly you get dogpiled...and then I read something like this...you like it don't you?
This is one where, if I didn't say it, someone would have Intrepid Readered it to me.
No, Chuck.
Well...maybe.
We'd have been funnier.
Actually, Chuck's best chance at a win would have been if
Chuck had thrown down
Intrepid Reader: Chuck...but did Chuck do that?
No, Chuck.
Awwwwwww shit, you guys. 'Bout to get all transactional up in here.
Via MLBTR, which I hope I'm using as Tim Dierkes demands...
Garza!QuoteThe Nationals, Dodgers, Phillies, Orioles and Blue Jays all had scouts on hand to watch Matt Garza's dominant start against the Brewers today, tweets MLB.com's Carrie Muskat.
Shark!Yes, Shark.
QuoteKen Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports that the D-Backs are interested in two pitchers in particular -- Yovani Gallardo and Jeff Samardzija.
Earlier this year it was reported that the Cubs view Samardzija as "one of their upper-tier starters of the future," and Rosenthal echoes that, noting that it would require an "overwhelming" return. The Diamondbacks and Cubs have yet to engage in discussions.
As Rosenthal notes, it's unlikely that the Cubs would make Samardzija available, but the D-Backs have a farm system that is rich in outfielders, pitchers and left-side infielders.
Please, Kevin Towers. Overpay for Samardzija and we'll throw in a gently used FIREBARN.
Soriano!nope
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 28, 2013, 02:43:12 AM
Awwwwwww shit, you guys. 'Bout to get all transactional up in here.
Via MLBTR, which I hope I'm using as Tim Dierkes demands...
Garza!
QuoteThe Nationals, Dodgers, Phillies, Orioles and Blue Jays all had scouts on hand to watch Matt Garza's dominant start against the Brewers today, tweets MLB.com's Carrie Muskat.
Shark!
Yes, Shark.
QuoteKen Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports that the D-Backs are interested in two pitchers in particular -- Yovani Gallardo and Jeff Samardzija.
Earlier this year it was reported that the Cubs view Samardzija as "one of their upper-tier starters of the future," and Rosenthal echoes that, noting that it would require an "overwhelming" return. The Diamondbacks and Cubs have yet to engage in discussions.
As Rosenthal notes, it's unlikely that the Cubs would make Samardzija available, but the D-Backs have a farm system that is rich in outfielders, pitchers and left-side infielders.
Please, Kevin Towers. Overpay for Samardzija and we'll throw in a gently used FIREBARN.
Soriano!
nope
I'm honestly not even sure what the Diamondbacks could offer for Samardzija that would make sense.
Quote from: Eli on June 28, 2013, 07:57:35 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 28, 2013, 02:43:12 AM
Awwwwwww shit, you guys. 'Bout to get all transactional up in here.
Via MLBTR, which I hope I'm using as Tim Dierkes demands...
Garza!
QuoteThe Nationals, Dodgers, Phillies, Orioles and Blue Jays all had scouts on hand to watch Matt Garza's dominant start against the Brewers today, tweets MLB.com's Carrie Muskat.
Shark!
Yes, Shark.
QuoteKen Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports that the D-Backs are interested in two pitchers in particular -- Yovani Gallardo and Jeff Samardzija.
Earlier this year it was reported that the Cubs view Samardzija as "one of their upper-tier starters of the future," and Rosenthal echoes that, noting that it would require an "overwhelming" return. The Diamondbacks and Cubs have yet to engage in discussions.
As Rosenthal notes, it's unlikely that the Cubs would make Samardzija available, but the D-Backs have a farm system that is rich in outfielders, pitchers and left-side infielders.
Please, Kevin Towers. Overpay for Samardzija and we'll throw in a gently used FIREBARN.
Soriano!
nope
I'm honestly not even sure what the Diamondbacks could offer for Samardzija that would make sense.
Bob Brenly. Wrong thread?
Quote from: Eli on June 28, 2013, 07:57:35 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 28, 2013, 02:43:12 AM
Awwwwwww shit, you guys. 'Bout to get all transactional up in here.
Via MLBTR, which I hope I'm using as Tim Dierkes demands...
Garza!
QuoteThe Nationals, Dodgers, Phillies, Orioles and Blue Jays all had scouts on hand to watch Matt Garza's dominant start against the Brewers today, tweets MLB.com's Carrie Muskat.
Shark!
Yes, Shark.
QuoteKen Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports that the D-Backs are interested in two pitchers in particular -- Yovani Gallardo and Jeff Samardzija.
Earlier this year it was reported that the Cubs view Samardzija as "one of their upper-tier starters of the future," and Rosenthal echoes that, noting that it would require an "overwhelming" return. The Diamondbacks and Cubs have yet to engage in discussions.
As Rosenthal notes, it's unlikely that the Cubs would make Samardzija available, but the D-Backs have a farm system that is rich in outfielders, pitchers and left-side infielders.
Please, Kevin Towers. Overpay for Samardzija and we'll throw in a gently used FIREBARN.
Soriano!
nope
I'm honestly not even sure what the Diamondbacks could offer for Samardzija that would make sense.
Skaggs, Bradley and Eaton.
DPD.
Dodgers, Cubs Closing In On Marmol Trade (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/dodgers-cubs-close-to-marmol-trade.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook)
The article doesn't specify the return, but I assume the Cubs are looking at Puig.
Only wrinkle is that the Dodgers are on Marmol's no-trade clause.
In related news, Carlos Marmol has a fucking no-trade clause.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 01, 2013, 04:52:32 PM
DPD.
Dodgers, Cubs Closing In On Marmol Trade (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/dodgers-cubs-close-to-marmol-trade.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook)
The article doesn't specify the return, but I assume the Cubs are looking at Puig.
Puig and Kershaw or GTFO
Quote from: PenFoe on July 01, 2013, 04:52:32 PM
Only wrinkle is that the Dodgers are on Marmol's no-trade clause.
In related news, Carlos Marmol has a fucking no-trade clause.
Nice choice, Jim.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 01, 2013, 05:00:20 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 01, 2013, 04:52:32 PM
Only wrinkle is that the Dodgers are on Marmol's no-trade clause.
In related news, Carlos Marmol has a fucking no-trade clause.
Nice choice, Jim.
I hate this team.
Jon Heyman thinks Garza is the prize of the market (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/22598074/cubs-white-sox-brewers-top-sellers-as-trade-deadline-month-opens). Which would be nice.
Quote1. Cubs: If they consent to trading hard-throwing starter Jeff Samardzija, they could hold an all-time sale. As it is, it isn't half bad. Matt Garza leads a pretty nice list of available pitchers, and the timing couldn't be better for Garza to go on the market, what with only three runs allowed over his past three starts. He's definitely going to go, with the Rangers, Orioles, Jays, Giants, Padres and Dodgers among teams believed interested in the AL-tested right-hander. Scott Feldman is a nice starter as a consolation prize. Closer Kevin Gregg was perhaps the best spring pickup, and he'll draw plenty of interest, with James Russell, Shawn Camp and swingman Carlos Villanueva as other possibilities. Nate Schierholtz is having a very nice year; Alfonso Soriano (who has 10-and-5 veto rights and probably won't OK the West Coast) looks like he could be primed for another big second half; and Scott Hairston hits lefties like few others.
The whole thing is a pretty decent overview. He also wonders if Castro might benefit from a change of scenery with Baez on the way.
Quote from: Bort on July 01, 2013, 05:39:50 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 01, 2013, 05:00:20 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 01, 2013, 04:52:32 PM
Only wrinkle is that the Dodgers are on Marmol's no-trade clause.
In related news, Carlos Marmol has a fucking no-trade clause.
Nice choice, Jim.
I hate this team.
Why would he not want to go to LA? Too sunny? Too many hot babes? No trade clauses are for Kansas City and Cleveland, not Hollywood.
Quote from: Tony on July 01, 2013, 11:56:21 PM
Quote from: Bort on July 01, 2013, 05:39:50 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 01, 2013, 05:00:20 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 01, 2013, 04:52:32 PM
Only wrinkle is that the Dodgers are on Marmol's no-trade clause.
In related news, Carlos Marmol has a fucking no-trade clause.
Nice choice, Jim.
I hate this team.
Why would he not want to go to LA? Too sunny? Too many hot babes? No trade clauses are for Kansas City and Cleveland, not Hollywood.
No-trade clauses are also for large market teams so you can get goodies for waiving them.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 02, 2013, 12:08:56 AM
Quote from: Tony on July 01, 2013, 11:56:21 PM
Quote from: Bort on July 01, 2013, 05:39:50 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 01, 2013, 05:00:20 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 01, 2013, 04:52:32 PM
Only wrinkle is that the Dodgers are on Marmol's no-trade clause.
In related news, Carlos Marmol has a fucking no-trade clause.
Nice choice, Jim.
I hate this team.
Why would he not want to go to LA? Too sunny? Too many hot babes? No trade clauses are for Kansas City and Cleveland, not Hollywood.
No-trade clauses are also for large market teams so you can get goodies for waiving them.
Oh. Well that makes sense. I would make a terrible agent.
Quote from: Tony on July 02, 2013, 12:27:57 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 02, 2013, 12:08:56 AM
Quote from: Tony on July 01, 2013, 11:56:21 PM
Quote from: Bort on July 01, 2013, 05:39:50 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 01, 2013, 05:00:20 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 01, 2013, 04:52:32 PM
Only wrinkle is that the Dodgers are on Marmol's no-trade clause.
In related news, Carlos Marmol has a fucking no-trade clause.
Nice choice, Jim.
I hate this team.
Why would he not want to go to LA? Too sunny? Too many hot babes? No trade clauses are for Kansas City and Cleveland, not Hollywood.
No-trade clauses are also for large market teams so you can get goodies for waiving them.
Oh. Well that makes sense. I would make a terrible agent.
That's why teams like the Yankees and Red Sox are on so many no-trade lists. Not because players don't want to go there, but because they know those teams have the cash to extend their contract first, or give bonus cash consideration for approving the trade, or get free handjobs from Alex Rodriguez, etc.
DPD. YOU GUYS IT'S STARTING!
Trade with Los Angeles (N)
Cubs get:
RP Matt Guerrier
Dodgers get:
RP Carlos Marmol
International pool money
Trade with Baltimore
Cubs get:
SP Jake Arrieta
RP Pedro Strop
International pool money
Orioles get:
SP Scott Feldman
C/IF Steve Clevenger
Trade with Houston
Cubs get:
International pool money
Astros get:
2B Ronald Torreyes (you may know him from such trades as Sean Marshall-for-Travis Wood)
TPD. I haven't seen any rumors about this post-trade, but the Padres were connected to Arrieta before. He might not be a Cub beyond this month. Garza and Arrieta for some hot, hot Jed Hoyer/Jason McLeod prospect action?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 02, 2013, 02:11:43 PM
DPD. YOU GUYS IT'S STARTING!
Trade with Los Angeles (N)
Cubs get:
RP Matt Guerrier
Dodgers get:
RP Carlos Marmol
International pool money $209,700
Trade with Baltimore
Cubs get:
SP Jake Arrieta
RP Pedro Strop
International pool money $388,100
Orioles get:
SP Scott Feldman
C/IF Steve Clevenger
Trade with Houston
Cubs get:
International pool money $784,700
Astros get:
2B Ronald Torreyes (you may know him from such trades as Sean Marshall-for-Travis Wood)
Per the bonus slots as listed here. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/2013-2014-international-bonus-slots/)
Cubs net $963,100 added to their bonus pool.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 02, 2013, 02:16:37 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 02, 2013, 02:11:43 PM
DPD. YOU GUYS IT'S STARTING!
Trade with Los Angeles (N)
Cubs get:
RP Matt Guerrier
Dodgers get:
RP Carlos Marmol
International pool money $209,700
Trade with Baltimore
Cubs get:
SP Jake Arrieta
RP Pedro Strop
International pool money $388,100
Orioles get:
SP Scott Feldman
C/IF Steve Clevenger
Trade with Houston
Cubs get:
International pool money $784,700
Astros get:
2B Ronald Torreyes (you may know him from such trades as Sean Marshall-for-Travis Wood)
Per the bonus slots as listed here. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/2013-2014-international-bonus-slots/)
Cubs net $963,100 added to their bonus pool.
Eloy Jimenez (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2013/#list=int) would be a nice way to spend that money, plus some more from their original pool.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 02, 2013, 02:37:17 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 02, 2013, 02:16:37 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 02, 2013, 02:11:43 PM
DPD. YOU GUYS IT'S STARTING!
Trade with Los Angeles (N)
Cubs get:
RP Matt Guerrier
Dodgers get:
RP Carlos Marmol
International pool money $209,700
Trade with Baltimore
Cubs get:
SP Jake Arrieta
RP Pedro Strop
International pool money $388,100
Orioles get:
SP Scott Feldman
C/IF Steve Clevenger
Trade with Houston
Cubs get:
International pool money $784,700
Astros get:
2B Ronald Torreyes (you may know him from such trades as Sean Marshall-for-Travis Wood)
Per the bonus slots as listed here. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/2013-2014-international-bonus-slots/)
Cubs net $963,100 added to their bonus pool.
Eloy Jimenez (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2013/#list=int) would be a nice way to spend that money, plus some more from their original pool.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/orioles-upgrade-with-scott-feldman-cubs-continue-stocking-up/
Quote[Ben] Badler forecasted both of the top two international prospects — Dominican OF Eloy Jimenez and Venezuelan SS Gleybor Torres — to sign with the Cubs, but he noted that they would need to trade for additional pool space in order to make it happen.
Well, the Cubs have done exactly that, and there is already a report out this morning that Torres has agreed to sign with the Cubs. Jimenez's signing should follow in the not too distant future now that Chicago has enough money to sign both of their prize targets.
Badler on Jimenez on May 13:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/ten-international-prospects-to-watch-for-july-2/
QuoteExpectations are that his bonus will be the highest in this year's class, perhaps in the $2.6-$2.8 million range, with the Cubs the heavy favorite to sign him.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 02, 2013, 02:49:44 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 02, 2013, 02:37:17 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 02, 2013, 02:16:37 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 02, 2013, 02:11:43 PM
DPD. YOU GUYS IT'S STARTING!
Trade with Los Angeles (N)
Cubs get:
RP Matt Guerrier
Dodgers get:
RP Carlos Marmol
International pool money $209,700
Trade with Baltimore
Cubs get:
SP Jake Arrieta
RP Pedro Strop
International pool money $388,100
Orioles get:
SP Scott Feldman
C/IF Steve Clevenger
Trade with Houston
Cubs get:
International pool money $784,700
Astros get:
2B Ronald Torreyes (you may know him from such trades as Sean Marshall-for-Travis Wood)
Per the bonus slots as listed here. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/2013-2014-international-bonus-slots/)
Cubs net $963,100 added to their bonus pool.
Eloy Jimenez (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2013/#list=int) would be a nice way to spend that money, plus some more from their original pool.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/orioles-upgrade-with-scott-feldman-cubs-continue-stocking-up/
Quote[Ben] Badler forecasted both of the top two international prospects — Dominican OF Eloy Jimenez and Venezuelan SS Gleybor Torres — to sign with the Cubs, but he noted that they would need to trade for additional pool space in order to make it happen.
Well, the Cubs have done exactly that, and there is already a report out this morning that Torres has agreed to sign with the Cubs. Jimenez's signing should follow in the not too distant future now that Chicago has enough money to sign both of their prize targets.
Badler on Jimenez on May 13:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/ten-international-prospects-to-watch-for-july-2/
QuoteExpectations are that his bonus will be the highest in this year's class, perhaps in the $2.6-$2.8 million range, with the Cubs the heavy favorite to sign him.
GET IT DONE
JIM JED THEO
*unfurls nascent Pedro Strop boner*
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 03, 2013, 02:04:34 PM
*unfurls nascent Pedro Strop boner*
CLOSER OF THE FUTURE
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 03, 2013, 02:04:34 PM
*unfurls nascent Pedro Strop boner*
Important: Is it Strop as in stop, or Strop as in trope? I have some hilarious novelty t-shirts to make. IT'S GONNA HAPPEN!
Strop, God wants you to play for the Cubs.
(http://jojo1065.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/hoosiers.jpg)
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 03, 2013, 02:17:36 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 03, 2013, 02:04:34 PM
*unfurls nascent Pedro Strop boner*
Important: Is it Strop as in stop, or Strop as in trope? I have some hilarious novelty t-shirts to make. IT'S GONNA HAPPEN!
RALLYSTROPPER
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 03, 2013, 02:17:36 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 03, 2013, 02:04:34 PM
*unfurls nascent Pedro Strop boner*
Important: Is it Strop as in stop, or Strop as in trope? I have some hilarious novelty t-shirts to make. IT'S GONNA HAPPEN!
That one
Quote from: Shooter on July 03, 2013, 07:37:37 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 03, 2013, 02:17:36 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 03, 2013, 02:04:34 PM
*unfurls nascent Pedro Strop boner*
Important: Is it Strop as in stop, or Strop as in trope? I have some hilarious novelty t-shirts to make. IT'S GONNA HAPPEN!
That one
STROP AND CHANGE: YES WE CAN!
Quote from: ChuckD on July 04, 2013, 12:10:32 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 03, 2013, 07:44:24 PM
Quote from: Shooter on July 03, 2013, 07:37:37 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 03, 2013, 02:17:36 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 03, 2013, 02:04:34 PM
*unfurls nascent Pedro Strop boner*
Important: Is it Strop as in stop, or Strop as in trope? I have some hilarious novelty t-shirts to make. IT'S GONNA HAPPEN!
That one
STROP AND CHANGE: YES WE CAN!
ABANDON ALL STROP
WHITE PUNKS ON STROP
Quote from: Bort on July 04, 2013, 08:00:50 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 04, 2013, 12:10:32 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 03, 2013, 07:44:24 PM
Quote from: Shooter on July 03, 2013, 07:37:37 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 03, 2013, 02:17:36 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 03, 2013, 02:04:34 PM
*unfurls nascent Pedro Strop boner*
Important: Is it Strop as in stop, or Strop as in trope? I have some hilarious novelty t-shirts to make. IT'S GONNA HAPPEN!
That one
STROP AND CHANGE: YES WE CAN!
ABANDON ALL STROP
WHITE PUNKS ON STROP
UP WITH STROP DOWN WITH STROP
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 04, 2013, 08:51:23 AM
Quote from: Bort on July 04, 2013, 08:00:50 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 04, 2013, 12:10:32 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 03, 2013, 07:44:24 PM
Quote from: Shooter on July 03, 2013, 07:37:37 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 03, 2013, 02:17:36 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 03, 2013, 02:04:34 PM
*unfurls nascent Pedro Strop boner*
Important: Is it Strop as in stop, or Strop as in trope? I have some hilarious novelty t-shirts to make. IT'S GONNA HAPPEN!
That one
STROP AND CHANGE: YES WE CAN!
ABANDON ALL STROP
WHITE PUNKS ON STROP
UP WITH STROP DOWN WITH STROP
Strop was razor sharp in his one inning today.
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 04, 2013, 08:51:23 AM
Quote from: Bort on July 04, 2013, 08:00:50 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 04, 2013, 12:10:32 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 03, 2013, 07:44:24 PM
Quote from: Shooter on July 03, 2013, 07:37:37 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 03, 2013, 02:17:36 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 03, 2013, 02:04:34 PM
*unfurls nascent Pedro Strop boner*
Important: Is it Strop as in stop, or Strop as in trope? I have some hilarious novelty t-shirts to make. IT'S GONNA HAPPEN!
That one
STROP AND CHANGE: YES WE CAN!
ABANDON ALL STROP
WHITE PUNKS ON STROP
UP WITH STROP DOWN WITH STROP
GET UP FOR THE DOWNSTROP, EVERYBODY GET UP!
Couldn't post this from my phone since Fox Sports has the worst mobile site in the world -- can't copy and paste text, impossible to find Ken Rosenthal's columns without a Google search, once you do find it the entire column is formatted as one monstrous paragraph of text -- which isn't a surprise because MSN. I went back to take a screenshot and the formatting had been fixed, but the rest stands.
Anyway. A.J. Ellis is a believer: (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/five-teams-on-buy-sell-bubble)
QuoteSeveral Dodgers hitters, at least, think the Cubs did quite well to acquire right-hander Jake Arrieta, who arrived from the Orioles along with reliever Pedro Strop in a trade for right-hander Scott Feldman last week.
The Dodgers faced Arrieta on April 21 at Camden Yards, and a number of their players said his stuff was comparable to that of Mets righty Matt Harvey, whom they saw three days later at Citi Field.
Arrieta turned in one of his typical major-league outings, pitching four strong innings before imploding in the fifth. But almost three months later, the Dodgers are still talking about him.
“The stuff he threw up at me was stuff I haven’t seen all year – the sharpness of his pitches, the way his fastball darted out of the zone,” catcher A.J. Ellis said. “He has really high upside. I thought it was an awesome trade by the Cubs.”
Arrieta threw 93 to 98 mph with a 90-mph cutter in his first outing at Triple A for the Cubs on Friday night; the game was suspended in the second inning due to rain. If he fails as a starter, the Cubs could always try him as a hard-throwing reliever.
DPD. I hope there's truth to the rumor that St. Louis is in on Garza. Poaching some guys from that farm system would be a great return. Get it done Epstink!
TPD. DOOM! (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/rangers-close-to-acquiring-matt-garza.html)
Quote6:41pm: The prospective swap of Garza to Rangers has "hit a snag" and is no longer a certainty, tweets Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports. He says that the Cubs are looking to alternative trade partners while continuing to work things out with Texas.
QPD? Boner time for Chuck:
QuoteAlfonso Soriano of the Cubs is on the Yankees' radar as a possible trade target, Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times reports. If any deal were to take place, though, it might not happen in July, since the $25MM remaining on Soriano's contract means he's sure to pass through waivers in August. Soriano has a full no-trade clause, but says he will consider a trade to a contending team. Wittenmyer writes that the Yankees view another Cubs outfielder, Nate Schierholtz, as more of a platoon type.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 21, 2013, 11:57:53 PM
QPD? Boner time for Chuck:
QuoteAlfonso Soriano of the Cubs is on the Yankees' radar as a possible trade target, Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times reports. If any deal were to take place, though, it might not happen in July, since the $25MM remaining on Soriano's contract means he's sure to pass through waivers in August. Soriano has a full no-trade clause, but says he will consider a trade to a contending team. Wittenmyer writes that the Yankees view another Cubs outfielder, Nate Schierholtz, as more of a platoon type.
Soriano for Cano, straight up!
Per Jeff Passan (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com), Matt Garza is a Ranger. (Edit: Looks like Ken Rosenthal had it first on Twitter, which MLBTR had in a separate post, but Passan had part of the Cubs' return first. If you care about that kind of thing.)
Cubs get:
3B Mike Olt (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=p_pbp&pid=592609) (Rangers' #1 prospect according to MLB.com since Profar graduated)
SP C.J. Edwards (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=605218) (#15)
SP Justin Grimm (http://rangers.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=518748#gameType='R'§ionType=career&statType=2&season=2013&level='ALL') (who hasn't made it through five innings since June)
PTBNL
PTBNL (according to T.R. Sullivan, the Cubs are actually getting two players TBNL, contrary to previous reports (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130722&content_id=54362964&vkey=news_tex&c_id=tex) -- I wonder if Neil Ramirez might be one of them)
Rangers get:
SP Matt Garza
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 22, 2013, 04:20:14 PM
Per Jeff Passan (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com), Matt Garza is a Ranger. (Edit: Looks like Ken Rosenthal had it first on Twitter, which MLBTR had in a separate post, but Passan had part of the Cubs' return first. If you care about that kind of thing.)
Cubs get:
3B Mike Olt (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=p_pbp&pid=592609) (Rangers' #1 prospect according to MLB.com since Profar graduated)
SP C.J. Edwards (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=605218) (#15)
SP Justin Grimm (http://rangers.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=518748#gameType='R'§ionType=career&statType=2&season=2013&level='ALL') (who hasn't made it through five innings since June)
PTBNL
Rangers get:
SP Matt Garza
Olt has a .213 BA. Edwards is 6'2" and weighs 155! Grimm has given up 45 earned runs in 48 innings (8.32). Looks like we got top dollar for our best trading chip.
Quote from: CBStew on July 22, 2013, 05:03:49 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 22, 2013, 04:20:14 PM
Per Jeff Passan (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com), Matt Garza is a Ranger. (Edit: Looks like Ken Rosenthal had it first on Twitter, which MLBTR had in a separate post, but Passan had part of the Cubs' return first. If you care about that kind of thing.)
Cubs get:
3B Mike Olt (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=p_pbp&pid=592609) (Rangers' #1 prospect according to MLB.com since Profar graduated)
SP C.J. Edwards (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=605218) (#15)
SP Justin Grimm (http://rangers.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=518748#gameType='R'§ionType=career&statType=2&season=2013&level='ALL') (who hasn't made it through five innings since June)
PTBNL
Rangers get:
SP Matt Garza
Olt has a .213 BA. Edwards is 6'2" and weighs 155! Grimm has given up 45 earned runs in 48 innings (8.32). Looks like we got top dollar for our best trading chip.
Olt hit .288/.398/.579 with 28 HR in 354 ABs just last year. Edwards has given up 19 ER in 93.1 innings (on 62 hits and 34 walks and 0 HR) this year. Grimm is 6'3 200lbs and is due to have a few bad bounces go his way.
I dig this trade.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 22, 2013, 05:19:24 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 22, 2013, 05:03:49 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 22, 2013, 04:20:14 PM
Per Jeff Passan (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com), Matt Garza is a Ranger. (Edit: Looks like Ken Rosenthal had it first on Twitter, which MLBTR had in a separate post, but Passan had part of the Cubs' return first. If you care about that kind of thing.)
Cubs get:
3B Mike Olt (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=p_pbp&pid=592609) (Rangers' #1 prospect according to MLB.com since Profar graduated)
SP C.J. Edwards (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=605218) (#15)
SP Justin Grimm (http://rangers.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=518748#gameType='R'§ionType=career&statType=2&season=2013&level='ALL') (who hasn't made it through five innings since June)
PTBNL
Rangers get:
SP Matt Garza
Olt has a .213 BA. Edwards is 6'2" and weighs 155! Grimm has given up 45 earned runs in 48 innings (8.32). Looks like we got top dollar for our best trading chip.
Olt hit .288/.398/.579 with 28 HR in 354 ABs just last year. Edwards has given up 19 ER in 93.1 innings (on 62 hits and 34 walks and 0 HR) this year. Grimm is 6'3 200lbs and is due to have a few bad bounces go his way.
I dig this trade.
Not only this year. Edwards has never given up a homer as a professional pitcher. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=edward000car) He'll give one up eventually, but still. And a career SO/9 of 11.6. He's about as legit as a prospect can be at that (admittedly low) level of competition.
Here's video from Lone Star Dugout. (http://vimeo.com/45291830) Also tweeted by Dan Underscore Bernstein. Fastball consistently in low 90s, peaked at 95. Curveball looks sick. Some trouble with location, especially the change, but it's from last year at rookie ball.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 22, 2013, 05:21:43 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 22, 2013, 05:19:24 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 22, 2013, 05:03:49 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 22, 2013, 04:20:14 PM
Per Jeff Passan (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com), Matt Garza is a Ranger. (Edit: Looks like Ken Rosenthal had it first on Twitter, which MLBTR had in a separate post, but Passan had part of the Cubs' return first. If you care about that kind of thing.)
Cubs get:
3B Mike Olt (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=p_pbp&pid=592609) (Rangers' #1 prospect according to MLB.com since Profar graduated)
SP C.J. Edwards (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=605218) (#15)
SP Justin Grimm (http://rangers.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=518748#gameType='R'§ionType=career&statType=2&season=2013&level='ALL') (who hasn't made it through five innings since June)
PTBNL
Rangers get:
SP Matt Garza
Olt has a .213 BA. Edwards is 6'2" and weighs 155! Grimm has given up 45 earned runs in 48 innings (8.32). Looks like we got top dollar for our best trading chip.
Olt hit .288/.398/.579 with 28 HR in 354 ABs just last year. Edwards has given up 19 ER in 93.1 innings (on 62 hits and 34 walks and 0 HR) this year. Grimm is 6'3 200lbs and is due to have a few bad bounces go his way.
I dig this trade.
Not only this year. Edwards has never given up a homer as a professional pitcher. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=edward000car) He'll give one up eventually, but still. And a career SO/9 of 11.6. He's about as legit as a prospect can be at that (admittedly low) level of competition.
Here's video from Lone Star Dugout. (http://vimeo.com/45291830) Also tweeted by Dan Underscore Bernstein. Fastball consistently in low 90s, peaked at 95. Curveball looks sick. Some trouble with location, especially the change, but it's from last year at rookie ball.
From that video he appears to be a lot bigger than 155 lbs.
Alright, on the PTBNL thing, from reports summarized at Bleacher Nation, it's one PTBNL if the Cubs choose Ramirez, but if his medicals scare them off they get two PTBNL, both pitchers. Pretty good return for two or three months of Garza.
I would have this trade's baby. Is there anyone left in the Texas system that Hoyer can get for Gregg?
Quote from: CBStew on July 22, 2013, 05:03:49 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 22, 2013, 04:20:14 PM
Per Jeff Passan (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com), Matt Garza is a Ranger. (Edit: Looks like Ken Rosenthal had it first on Twitter, which MLBTR had in a separate post, but Passan had part of the Cubs' return first. If you care about that kind of thing.)
Cubs get:
3B Mike Olt (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=p_pbp&pid=592609) (Rangers' #1 prospect according to MLB.com since Profar graduated)
SP C.J. Edwards (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=605218) (#15)
SP Justin Grimm (http://rangers.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=518748#gameType='R'§ionType=career&statType=2&season=2013&level='ALL') (who hasn't made it through five innings since June)
PTBNL
Rangers get:
SP Matt Garza
Olt has a .213 BA. Edwards is 6'2" and weighs 155! Grimm has given up 45 earned runs in 48 innings (8.32). Looks like we got top dollar for our best trading chip.
Paul?
Brent Lil'bitch and Alberto Gonzalez might be coming back!
NY Post: Yankees close to deal for Alfonso Soriano (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yankees/soriano_desperate_need_of_power_07rQu2Zz0N9Kn8CCldxIEK)
QuoteAccording to a person familiar with the talks, the Cubs will pay the bulk of what is left on Soriano’s contract. He makes $18 million this year and the same for next season.
Better be getting something decent back then.
QuoteIn return the Cubs will get a mid-level prospect.
Epstink is terrible.
P.S., because I can't resist.
MLBTR (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/yankees-close-to-acquiring-alfonso-soriano.html#disqus_thread):
QuoteSoriano, of course, would have to waive the same no-trade clause that he enacted a year ago when the Cubs attempted to trade him to the Giants.
Intrepid Reader: Worst Person on the InternetI think that's supposed to be "invoked." Hire an editor already, Tim.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2013, 01:11:48 AM
Brent Lil'bitch and Alberto Gonzalez might be coming back!
NY Post: Yankees close to deal for Alfonso Soriano (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yankees/soriano_desperate_need_of_power_07rQu2Zz0N9Kn8CCldxIEK)
QuoteAccording to a person familiar with the talks, the Cubs will pay the bulk of what is left on Soriano's contract. He makes $18 million this year and the same for next season.
Better be getting something decent back then.
QuoteIn return the Cubs will get a mid-level prospect.
Epstink is terrible.
P.S., because I can't resist.
MLBTR (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/yankees-close-to-acquiring-alfonso-soriano.html#disqus_thread):
QuoteSoriano, of course, would have to waive the same no-trade clause that he enacted a year ago when the Cubs attempted to trade him to the Giants.
Intrepid Reader: Worst Person on the Internet
I think that's supposed to be "invoked." Hire an editor already, Tim.
Obviously, I've been far too busy keeping up with the latest Royal baby news to pay too much attention to the trade deadline, but my God, the Cubs have made out like bandits here.
Quote from: Tonker on July 23, 2013, 02:00:36 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2013, 01:11:48 AM
Brent Lil'bitch and Alberto Gonzalez might be coming back!
NY Post: Yankees close to deal for Alfonso Soriano (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yankees/soriano_desperate_need_of_power_07rQu2Zz0N9Kn8CCldxIEK)
QuoteAccording to a person familiar with the talks, the Cubs will pay the bulk of what is left on Soriano’s contract. He makes $18 million this year and the same for next season.
Better be getting something decent back then.
QuoteIn return the Cubs will get a mid-level prospect.
Epstink is terrible.
P.S., because I can't resist.
MLBTR (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/yankees-close-to-acquiring-alfonso-soriano.html#disqus_thread):
QuoteSoriano, of course, would have to waive the same no-trade clause that he enacted a year ago when the Cubs attempted to trade him to the Giants.
Intrepid Reader: Worst Person on the Internet
I think that's supposed to be "invoked." Hire an editor already, Tim.
Obviously, I've been far too busy keeping up with the latest Royal baby news to pay too much attention to the trade deadline, but my God, the Cubs have made out like bandits here.
Agreed, they're getting about as good of a value as they could get. Sure it would've been nice to pry Profar or Perez loose, but that was never going to happen.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2013, 01:11:48 AM
Brent Lil'bitch and Alberto Gonzalez might be coming back!
NY Post: Yankees close to deal for Alfonso Soriano (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yankees/soriano_desperate_need_of_power_07rQu2Zz0N9Kn8CCldxIEK)
QuoteAccording to a person familiar with the talks, the Cubs will pay the bulk of what is left on Soriano's contract. He makes $18 million this year and the same for next season.
Whats interesting about this is that, from what I read on the twitters, is that for luxury tax purposes, teams can allocate money however they like if the trading team agrees to pay some salary for more than one year, and the two teams can allocate it between years if they like, and money paid by the trading teams counts as a credit for cap purposes for the 'tradee'. This means that if the Cubs pick up at least $18MM of salary in the deal, the Yankees can allocate all $18MM to 2014, which means that Soriano would net the Yanks, in effect a
$1 million luxury tax credit (as Soriano's 'cap hit' is only $17 million per year), and the Yankees are trying to get under the cap for 2014.
TL;DR The Cubs are spending money to get their team better, while not doing so with FA's, they are taking advanatage of every rule in the current book to get them value and prospects.
Good job Epstink (and Rickstinks too)
I don't relish being a meatball about the Garza trade but I need reassurance that the Cubs didn't get the short end. I realize that Garza was going to be gone in October, but could they have done better with a different trading partner? Olt seems to be a representative of a pretty common commodity. Someone who hits minor league pitching with power but is going to have a low BA and strike out a lot facing major league pitching. Grimm shows me nothing but I admit that Edwards is an intriguing young prospect. Players To Be Named Later are not going to be the reason that this deal was struck.
Quote from: CBStew on July 24, 2013, 01:00:16 PM
I don't relish being a meatball about the Garza trade but I need reassurance that the Cubs didn't get the short end. I realize that Garza was going to be gone in October, but could they have done better with a different trading partner? Olt seems to be a representative of a pretty common commodity. Someone who hits minor league pitching with power but is going to have a low BA and strike out a lot facing major league pitching. Grimm shows me nothing but I admit that Edwards is an intriguing young prospect. Players To Be Named Later are not going to be the reason that this deal was struck.
A guy who covers the Rangers for a living told Boers and Bernstein that the Rangers paid a high price. The consensus in everything I've read is that the Cubs did really well for just two to three months of Garza. And then there's this (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/cubs-strengthen-organizational-depth-with-garza-deal/). Headline: "Cubs Strengthen Organizational Depth with Garza Deal."
And this (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=21288).
On Olt: "He still projects as an everyday player who will stick at third base and may benefit from a clean slate this trade provides. The former supplemental first-round pick could turn into an impact bat, hitting in the .240 to .250 range with 20-25 home runs, a solid walk rate, a healthy amount of strikeouts, and solid-average defense at the hot corner."
On Grimm: "Grimm will be a better pitcher than his current numbers suggest, though the Cubs would be well-served to develop him in Triple-A for the time being . . . Grimm has always flashed good stuff. His fastball sits low-90s and can reach 93-95. His upper-70s curveball is a 60-grade (plus) pitch, and his low-80s changeup should be average with a bit more seasoning . . . Grimm is a very strong bet to reach his no. 4 profile; he just isn't there quite yet."
On Edwards: "Edwards could end up a solid no. 4 starter type, although the body and lack of a true plus secondary offering has some suggesting he would be a better long-term fit out of the bullpen, where the fastball could work in the plus-plus range and the lack of physicality could be marginalized over the course of the season. Regardless of the ceiling, Edwards has a very good chance to reach the Major Leagues some day, which is quite the accomplishment for a 48th-round pitcher from a small town in South Carolina . . ."
Feel better?
Speaking of striking out:
Pos AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG
Jacob Hannemann CF 4 2 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 .296
Daniel Lockhart 2B-SS 3 0 1 0 0 0 2 2 0 .313
Kris Bryant 3B 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 .000
Jacob Rogers 1B 4 1 2 1 0 1 2 1 1 .293
Yasiel Balaguert RF 4 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 .272
Cael Brockmeyer DH 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 .328
Lance Rymel C 4 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 .307
David Bote LF-2B 3 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 2 .252
Carlos Penalver SS 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 .224
Jose Dore LF 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .195
Totals 34 6 7 3 0 1 5 7 15 .269
Quote from: CBStew on July 24, 2013, 01:00:16 PM
I don't relish being a meatball about the Garza trade but I need reassurance that the Cubs didn't get the short end. I realize that Garza was going to be gone in October, but could they have done better with a different trading partner? Olt seems to be a representative of a pretty common commodity. Someone who hits minor league pitching with power but is going to have a low BA and strike out a lot facing major league pitching. Grimm shows me nothing but I admit that Edwards is an intriguing young prospect. Players To Be Named Later are not going to be the reason that this deal was struck.
Olt is a guy who was overmatched after being called up to the Bigs too soon (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=592609). While past performance is not necessarily indicative of future earnings, we've got another guy in the same situation (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=519203) for comparison.
Quote from: CBStew on July 24, 2013, 01:15:49 PM
Speaking of striking out:
Pos AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG
Jacob Hannemann CF 4 2 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 .296
Daniel Lockhart 2B-SS 3 0 1 0 0 0 2 2 0 .313
Kris Bryant 3B 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 .000
Jacob Rogers 1B 4 1 2 1 0 1 2 1 1 .293
Yasiel Balaguert RF 4 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 .272
Cael Brockmeyer DH 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 .328
Lance Rymel C 4 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 .307
David Bote LF-2B 3 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 2 .252
Carlos Penalver SS 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 .224
Jose Dore LF 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .195
Totals 34 6 7 3 0 1 5 7 15 .269
holy formatting
Quote from: Fork on July 24, 2013, 01:50:30 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 24, 2013, 01:00:16 PM
I don't relish being a meatball about the Garza trade but I need reassurance that the Cubs didn't get the short end. I realize that Garza was going to be gone in October, but could they have done better with a different trading partner? Olt seems to be a representative of a pretty common commodity. Someone who hits minor league pitching with power but is going to have a low BA and strike out a lot facing major league pitching. Grimm shows me nothing but I admit that Edwards is an intriguing young prospect. Players To Be Named Later are not going to be the reason that this deal was struck.
Olt is a guy who was overmatched after being called up to the Bigs too soon (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=592609). While past performance is not necessarily indicative of future earnings, we've got another guy in the same situation (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=519203) for comparison.
Do you have a comp with someone who got a concussion and has had visions problems since and now can't hit?
Or maybe just an anecdote about a personal injury that's similar?
Quote from: PenFoe on July 24, 2013, 01:57:14 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 24, 2013, 01:50:30 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 24, 2013, 01:00:16 PM
I don't relish being a meatball about the Garza trade but I need reassurance that the Cubs didn't get the short end. I realize that Garza was going to be gone in October, but could they have done better with a different trading partner? Olt seems to be a representative of a pretty common commodity. Someone who hits minor league pitching with power but is going to have a low BA and strike out a lot facing major league pitching. Grimm shows me nothing but I admit that Edwards is an intriguing young prospect. Players To Be Named Later are not going to be the reason that this deal was struck.
Olt is a guy who was overmatched after being called up to the Bigs too soon (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=592609). While past performance is not necessarily indicative of future earnings, we've got another guy in the same situation (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=519203) for comparison.
Do you have a comp with someone who got a concussion and has had visions problems since and now can't hit?
Or maybe just an anecdote about a personal injury that's similar?
I don't know if you're just being snarky toward Fork, but to be clear, Olt slashed .139/.235/.236 in the 20 games prior to 4/25 when the Rangers benched him due to the eyesight issue. Since coming back on May 31, he's hit .253/.352/.524 in 48 games. Saying he "now can't hit" is foolish.
Quote from: Yeti on July 24, 2013, 01:53:19 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 24, 2013, 01:15:49 PM
Speaking of striking out:
Pos AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG
Jacob Hannemann CF 4 2 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 .296
Daniel Lockhart 2B-SS 3 0 1 0 0 0 2 2 0 .313
Kris Bryant 3B 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 .000
Jacob Rogers 1B 4 1 2 1 0 1 2 1 1 .293
Yasiel Balaguert RF 4 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 .272
Cael Brockmeyer DH 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 .328
Lance Rymel C 4 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 .307
David Bote LF-2B 3 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 2 .252
Carlos Penalver SS 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 .224
Jose Dore LF 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .195
Totals 34 6 7 3 0 1 5 7 15 .269
holy formatting
Put it there for the Kris Bryant line. Five at bats, five KO.
Quote from: CBStew on July 24, 2013, 02:17:00 PM
Quote from: Yeti on July 24, 2013, 01:53:19 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 24, 2013, 01:15:49 PM
Speaking of striking out:
Pos AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG
Jacob Hannemann CF 4 2 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 .296
Daniel Lockhart 2B-SS 3 0 1 0 0 0 2 2 0 .313
Kris Bryant 3B 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 .000
Jacob Rogers 1B 4 1 2 1 0 1 2 1 1 .293
Yasiel Balaguert RF 4 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 .272
Cael Brockmeyer DH 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 .328
Lance Rymel C 4 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 .307
David Bote LF-2B 3 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 2 .252
Carlos Penalver SS 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 .224
Jose Dore LF 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .195
Totals 34 6 7 3 0 1 5 7 15 .269
holy formatting
Put it there for the Kris Bryant line. Five at bats, five KO.
Fuckin' Epstink.
Quote from: CBStew on July 24, 2013, 02:17:00 PM
Quote from: Yeti on July 24, 2013, 01:53:19 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 24, 2013, 01:15:49 PM
Speaking of striking out:
Pos AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG
Jacob Hannemann CF 4 2 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 .296
Daniel Lockhart 2B-SS 3 0 1 0 0 0 2 2 0 .313
Kris Bryant 3B 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 .000
Jacob Rogers 1B 4 1 2 1 0 1 2 1 1 .293
Yasiel Balaguert RF 4 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 .272
Cael Brockmeyer DH 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 .328
Lance Rymel C 4 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 .307
David Bote LF-2B 3 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 2 .252
Carlos Penalver SS 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 .224
Jose Dore LF 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .195
Totals 34 6 7 3 0 1 5 7 15 .269
holy formatting
Put it there for the Kris Bryant line. Five at bats, five KO.
Delicious Meatball Stew.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 24, 2013, 02:04:40 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 24, 2013, 01:57:14 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 24, 2013, 01:50:30 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 24, 2013, 01:00:16 PM
I don't relish being a meatball about the Garza trade but I need reassurance that the Cubs didn't get the short end. I realize that Garza was going to be gone in October, but could they have done better with a different trading partner? Olt seems to be a representative of a pretty common commodity. Someone who hits minor league pitching with power but is going to have a low BA and strike out a lot facing major league pitching. Grimm shows me nothing but I admit that Edwards is an intriguing young prospect. Players To Be Named Later are not going to be the reason that this deal was struck.
Olt is a guy who was overmatched after being called up to the Bigs too soon (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=592609). While past performance is not necessarily indicative of future earnings, we've got another guy in the same situation (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=519203) for comparison.
Do you have a comp with someone who got a concussion and has had visions problems since and now can't hit?
Or maybe just an anecdote about a personal injury that's similar?
I don't know if you're just being snarky toward Fork, but to be clear, Olt slashed .139/.235/.236 in the 20 games prior to 4/25 when the Rangers benched him due to the eyesight issue. Since coming back on May 31, he's hit .253/.352/.524 in 48 games. Saying he "now can't hit" is foolish.
I was told this was encouraged around here, no?
That said, I never checked his splits, good to hear.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 24, 2013, 01:57:14 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 24, 2013, 01:50:30 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 24, 2013, 01:00:16 PM
I don't relish being a meatball about the Garza trade but I need reassurance that the Cubs didn't get the short end. I realize that Garza was going to be gone in October, but could they have done better with a different trading partner? Olt seems to be a representative of a pretty common commodity. Someone who hits minor league pitching with power but is going to have a low BA and strike out a lot facing major league pitching. Grimm shows me nothing but I admit that Edwards is an intriguing young prospect. Players To Be Named Later are not going to be the reason that this deal was struck.
Olt is a guy who was overmatched after being called up to the Bigs too soon (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=592609). While past performance is not necessarily indicative of future earnings, we've got another guy in the same situation (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=519203) for comparison.
Do you have a comp with someone who got a concussion and has had visions problems since and now can't hit?
Or maybe just an anecdote about a personal injury that's similar?
On the other side of the coin, I can't find a another cancer survivor who can home runs like Rizzo anywhere in the Cubs system either.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 24, 2013, 02:27:11 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 24, 2013, 02:04:40 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 24, 2013, 01:57:14 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 24, 2013, 01:50:30 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 24, 2013, 01:00:16 PM
I don't relish being a meatball about the Garza trade but I need reassurance that the Cubs didn't get the short end. I realize that Garza was going to be gone in October, but could they have done better with a different trading partner? Olt seems to be a representative of a pretty common commodity. Someone who hits minor league pitching with power but is going to have a low BA and strike out a lot facing major league pitching. Grimm shows me nothing but I admit that Edwards is an intriguing young prospect. Players To Be Named Later are not going to be the reason that this deal was struck.
Olt is a guy who was overmatched after being called up to the Bigs too soon (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=592609). While past performance is not necessarily indicative of future earnings, we've got another guy in the same situation (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=519203) for comparison.
Do you have a comp with someone who got a concussion and has had visions problems since and now can't hit?
Or maybe just an anecdote about a personal injury that's similar?
I don't know if you're just being snarky toward Fork, but to be clear, Olt slashed .139/.235/.236 in the 20 games prior to 4/25 when the Rangers benched him due to the eyesight issue. Since coming back on May 31, he's hit .253/.352/.524 in 48 games. Saying he "now can't hit" is foolish.
I was told this was encouraged around here, no?
That said, I never checked his splits, good to hear.
Also, in his last 2 games as a member of the Rangers organization, he homered against Iowa.
Quote from: Fork on July 24, 2013, 02:27:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 24, 2013, 01:57:14 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 24, 2013, 01:50:30 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 24, 2013, 01:00:16 PM
I don't relish being a meatball about the Garza trade but I need reassurance that the Cubs didn't get the short end. I realize that Garza was going to be gone in October, but could they have done better with a different trading partner? Olt seems to be a representative of a pretty common commodity. Someone who hits minor league pitching with power but is going to have a low BA and strike out a lot facing major league pitching. Grimm shows me nothing but I admit that Edwards is an intriguing young prospect. Players To Be Named Later are not going to be the reason that this deal was struck.
Olt is a guy who was overmatched after being called up to the Bigs too soon (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=592609). While past performance is not necessarily indicative of future earnings, we've got another guy in the same situation (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=519203) for comparison.
Do you have a comp with someone who got a concussion and has had visions problems since and now can't hit?
Or maybe just an anecdote about a personal injury that's similar?
On the other side of the coin, I can't find a another cancer survivor who can home runs like Rizzo anywhere in the Cubs system either.
The whole home runs?
Quote from: Bort on July 24, 2013, 02:54:10 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 24, 2013, 02:27:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 24, 2013, 01:57:14 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 24, 2013, 01:50:30 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 24, 2013, 01:00:16 PM
I don't relish being a meatball about the Garza trade but I need reassurance that the Cubs didn't get the short end. I realize that Garza was going to be gone in October, but could they have done better with a different trading partner? Olt seems to be a representative of a pretty common commodity. Someone who hits minor league pitching with power but is going to have a low BA and strike out a lot facing major league pitching. Grimm shows me nothing but I admit that Edwards is an intriguing young prospect. Players To Be Named Later are not going to be the reason that this deal was struck.
Olt is a guy who was overmatched after being called up to the Bigs too soon (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=592609). While past performance is not necessarily indicative of future earnings, we've got another guy in the same situation (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=519203) for comparison.
Do you have a comp with someone who got a concussion and has had visions problems since and now can't hit?
Or maybe just an anecdote about a personal injury that's similar?
On the other side of the coin, I can't find a another cancer survivor who can home runs like Rizzo anywhere in the Cubs system either.
The whole home runs?
I think that's the verb form of RBIs. "Rizzo homed a run, then well defended the last desperate attack of the Mexicans."
Quote from: Eli on July 24, 2013, 03:05:46 PM
Quote from: Bort on July 24, 2013, 02:54:10 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 24, 2013, 02:27:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 24, 2013, 01:57:14 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 24, 2013, 01:50:30 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 24, 2013, 01:00:16 PM
I don't relish being a meatball about the Garza trade but I need reassurance that the Cubs didn't get the short end. I realize that Garza was going to be gone in October, but could they have done better with a different trading partner? Olt seems to be a representative of a pretty common commodity. Someone who hits minor league pitching with power but is going to have a low BA and strike out a lot facing major league pitching. Grimm shows me nothing but I admit that Edwards is an intriguing young prospect. Players To Be Named Later are not going to be the reason that this deal was struck.
Olt is a guy who was overmatched after being called up to the Bigs too soon (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=592609). While past performance is not necessarily indicative of future earnings, we've got another guy in the same situation (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=519203) for comparison.
Do you have a comp with someone who got a concussion and has had visions problems since and now can't hit?
Or maybe just an anecdote about a personal injury that's similar?
On the other side of the coin, I can't find a another cancer survivor who can home runs like Rizzo anywhere in the Cubs system either.
The whole home runs?
I think that's the verb form of RBIs. "Rizzo homed a run, then well defended the last desperate attack of the Mexicans."
If anyone can defend against an attack of the Mexican runs, it's Rizzo.
Quote from: CBStew on July 24, 2013, 02:17:00 PM
Put it there for the Kris Bryant line. Five at bats, five KO.
3 games in, it's DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM...
Team Lev G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB
AZ Cubs Rk 2 7 6 0 1 1 0 0 2 0 0 0 1 .167 .143 .333 .476 2 0 0 0 1 0
Boise A- 1 5 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0 0
3 12 11 0 1 1 0 0 2 0 0 0 6 .091 .083 .182 .265 2 0 0 0 1 0
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 24, 2013, 03:16:31 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 24, 2013, 02:17:00 PM
Put it there for the Kris Bryant line. Five at bats, five KO.
3 games in, it's DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM...
Team Lev G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB
AZ Cubs Rk 2 7 6 0 1 1 0 0 2 0 0 0 1 .167 .143 .333 .476 2 0 0 0 1 0
Boise A- 1 5 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0 0
3 12 11 0 1 1 0 0 2 0 0 0 6 .091 .083 .182 .265 2 0 0 0 1 0
Trade him for prospects.
Quote from: CBStew on July 24, 2013, 04:00:57 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 24, 2013, 03:16:31 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 24, 2013, 02:17:00 PM
Put it there for the Kris Bryant line. Five at bats, five KO.
3 games in, it's DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM...
Team Lev G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB
AZ Cubs Rk 2 7 6 0 1 1 0 0 2 0 0 0 1 .167 .143 .333 .476 2 0 0 0 1 0
Boise A- 1 5 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0 0
3 12 11 0 1 1 0 0 2 0 0 0 6 .091 .083 .182 .265 2 0 0 0 1 0
Trade him for prospects Jeff Francoeur.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 24, 2013, 09:01:12 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 24, 2013, 04:00:57 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 24, 2013, 03:16:31 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 24, 2013, 02:17:00 PM
Put it there for the Kris Bryant line. Five at bats, five KO.
3 games in, it's DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM...
Team Lev G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB
AZ Cubs Rk 2 7 6 0 1 1 0 0 2 0 0 0 1 .167 .143 .333 .476 2 0 0 0 1 0
Boise A- 1 5 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0 0
3 12 11 0 1 1 0 0 2 0 0 0 6 .091 .083 .182 .265 2 0 0 0 1 0
Trade him for prospects Jeff Francoeur Cano.
If the Cubs get offered a good package of prospects for him, I hope they're willing to deal Samardzija. He's about to get really expensive, and look at his most similar pitchers according to Baseball-Reference (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/samarje01.shtml) (actives in bold):
QuoteOverall
1. Tom Acker
2. David Hernandez
3. Mike Armstrong
4. Zach Miner
5. Taylor Buchholz
6. Harry Taylor
7. Burke Badenhop
8. Xavier Rescigno
9. Bob Stoddard
10. Matt Wise
QuoteSimilar Pitchers through 27
1. David Hernandez
2. Zach Miner
3. Jim Acker
4. Rich Bordi
5. Jack Lamabe
6. Charlie Williams
7. Jose Paniagua
8. Matty Pattin
9. Dave Burba
10. Sarge Connally
Not exactly the greatest of company, there. Jeff'll be 29 on Opening Day next year. I'm not at all sure a long-term extension makes sense. This team is still a couple years away, and they're still very thin in pitching talent. I think they'd be wise to exchange him for several young, promising arms. Skaggs and Bradley from Arizona would be the best-case, which would be a pretty stunning move for Towers to make. Then again, Epstink might be able to convince somebody he's a future #1, Arizona supposedly wants the Shark, and Towers just traded away Bauer and Upton, so why the hell not?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 25, 2013, 12:53:44 AM
If the Cubs get offered a good package of prospects for him, I hope they're willing to deal Samardzija. He's about to get really expensive, and look at his most similar pitchers according to Baseball-Reference (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/samarje01.shtml) (actives in bold):
QuoteOverall
1. Tom Acker
2. David Hernandez
3. Mike Armstrong
4. Zach Miner
5. Taylor Buchholz
6. Harry Taylor
7. Burke Badenhop
8. Xavier Rescigno
9. Bob Stoddard
10. Matt Wise
QuoteSimilar Pitchers through 27
1. David Hernandez
2. Zach Miner
3. Jim Acker
4. Rich Bordi
5. Jack Lamabe
6. Charlie Williams
7. Jose Paniagua
8. Matty Pattin
9. Dave Burba
10. Sarge Connally
Not exactly the greatest of company, there. Jeff'll be 29 on Opening Day next year. I'm not at all sure a long-term extension makes sense. This team is still a couple years away, and they're still very thin in pitching talent. I think they'd be wise to exchange him for several young, promising arms. Skaggs and Bradley from Arizona would be the best-case, which would be a pretty stunning move for Towers to make. Then again, Epstink might be able to convince somebody he's a future #1, Arizona supposedly wants the Shark, and Towers just traded away Bauer and Upton, so why the hell not?
[bort]Trade him to a burning barn.[/bort]
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 25, 2013, 12:53:44 AM
If the Cubs get offered a good package of prospects for him, I hope they're willing to deal Samardzija. He's about to get really expensive, and look at his most similar pitchers according to Baseball-Reference (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/samarje01.shtml) (actives in bold):
Overall
<snip>Big list of irrelevant players</snip>
Not exactly the greatest of company, there. Jeff'll be 29 on Opening Day next year. I'm not at all sure a long-term extension makes sense. This team is still a couple years away, and they're still very thin in pitching talent. I think they'd be wise to exchange him for several young, promising arms. Skaggs and Bradley from Arizona would be the best-case, which would be a pretty stunning move for Towers to make. Then again, Epstink might be able to convince somebody he's a future #1, Arizona supposedly wants the Shark, and Towers just traded away Bauer and Upton, so why the hell not?
First, using BR comps is pointless in general. Much less for someone like Samardzija who is clearly a different player than a few years ago.
And at some point, the Cubs need actual good major league players on the roster. Shark is a very good one and they should find a way to keep him there.
Quote from: Eli on July 25, 2013, 08:37:31 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 25, 2013, 12:53:44 AM
If the Cubs get offered a good package of prospects for him, I hope they're willing to deal Samardzija. He's about to get really expensive, and look at his most similar pitchers according to Baseball-Reference (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/samarje01.shtml) (actives in bold):
Overall
<snip>Big list of irrelevant players</snip>
Not exactly the greatest of company, there. Jeff'll be 29 on Opening Day next year. I'm not at all sure a long-term extension makes sense. This team is still a couple years away, and they're still very thin in pitching talent. I think they'd be wise to exchange him for several young, promising arms. Skaggs and Bradley from Arizona would be the best-case, which would be a pretty stunning move for Towers to make. Then again, Epstink might be able to convince somebody he's a future #1, Arizona supposedly wants the Shark, and Towers just traded away Bauer and Upton, so why the hell not?
First, using BR comps is pointless in general. Much less for someone like Samardzija who is clearly a different player than a few years ago.
And at some point, the Cubs need actual good major league players on the roster. Shark is a very good one and they should find a way to keep him there.
Agreed. I think at some point we have to accept that someone on the 2015 World Series Champions is going to be over the age of 30. That's okay.
Damn it. My thinly veiled excuse for getting rid of him failed. FIREBARN it is.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 25, 2013, 10:37:48 AM
Damn it. My thinly veiled excuse for getting rid of him failed. FIREBARN it is.
You were doing the Lord's work.
http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/what-can-we-expect-from-c-j-edwards/
QuoteRight now, the curveball is probably his best pitch, as it's a plus offering at times. It's not quite consistently there yet, as he'll get around the pitch on occasion, but the pitch projects to round into consistently above-average form as Edwards develops. It should be effective to both lefties and his fellow righthanders and allow him to post solid strikeout rates.
Edwards' fastball also comes with some zip, though it doesn't project to be as good as the curve, for a few reasons. First, it's a mostly flat pitch. It occasionally has some cutting life to it, but it's usually on the straight side, and I've heard multiple scouts express concern over him actually developing a problem with the home run ball as a result, his incredible homerless streak (playing in a fairly hitter-friendly park) notwitstanding. Edwards doesn't help his case in this area by having a pronounced back-leg collapse in his delivery, costing him plane on the pitch. Finally, his frail 155-pound build has led to issues with maintaining his velocity–he'll usually touch 95 mph in the first inning but never hit it again, and often is in soft-tosser territory by the sixth...
...
What this means is that we can expect significant regression in both Edwards' strikeout and home run rates as he ascends through the minors. Of course, his K-rate is 32.4% and his homer rate is, well, zero, so he's got a lot of room to regress before he's anything approaching mediocre. It should be noted that while Edwards' delivery lacks plane, he does explode toward the plate nicely and has good efficiency and balance that should assist him in developing good fastball command, and I wouldn't be surprised to see his walk rate actually shrink a bit once hitters stop chasing his pitches and force him to be in the zone more.
...
Edwards' third offering is a changeup with some sink and fade that comes in a bit too hard at times, but has some promise and should develop into an average pitch. He does a nice job keeping both the curve and the change down in the zone, which helps make up for his fastball's lack of sink and gives him a solid 46.8% groundball rate this year, including 52.4% against lefties...
So what are we left with, here? Edwards should have an average fastball and changeup and a plus curveball–he should have solid command, get a reasonable number of strikeouts, and be competent but unexceptional in limiting over-the-fence damage. That sounds like a decent third starter or good fourth starter, which is the almost universal projection I get from talking to others who have seen him this season. I have not heard a single person suggest he has a higher ceiling than that; conversely, I haven't heard anyone be so down on him as to project him as a fifth starter, reliever, or outright bust.
As such, Edwards is a good prospect, but not a great one–I'd expect him to turn in MLB numbers akin to those of Jose Quintana this year (7.07 K/9, 2.71 BB/9, 0.98 HR/9, 44.8% GB%, 3.61 ERA, 3.86 FIP).
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 25, 2013, 01:07:22 PM
http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/what-can-we-expect-from-c-j-edwards/
QuoteRight now, the curveball is probably his best pitch, as it's a plus offering at times. It's not quite consistently there yet, as he'll get around the pitch on occasion, but the pitch projects to round into consistently above-average form as Edwards develops. It should be effective to both lefties and his fellow righthanders and allow him to post solid strikeout rates.
Edwards' fastball also comes with some zip, though it doesn't project to be as good as the curve, for a few reasons. First, it's a mostly flat pitch. It occasionally has some cutting life to it, but it's usually on the straight side, and I've heard multiple scouts express concern over him actually developing a problem with the home run ball as a result, his incredible homerless streak (playing in a fairly hitter-friendly park) notwitstanding. Edwards doesn't help his case in this area by having a pronounced back-leg collapse in his delivery, costing him plane on the pitch. Finally, his frail 155-pound build has led to issues with maintaining his velocity–he'll usually touch 95 mph in the first inning but never hit it again, and often is in soft-tosser territory by the sixth...
...
What this means is that we can expect significant regression in both Edwards' strikeout and home run rates as he ascends through the minors. Of course, his K-rate is 32.4% and his homer rate is, well, zero, so he's got a lot of room to regress before he's anything approaching mediocre. It should be noted that while Edwards' delivery lacks plane, he does explode toward the plate nicely and has good efficiency and balance that should assist him in developing good fastball command, and I wouldn't be surprised to see his walk rate actually shrink a bit once hitters stop chasing his pitches and force him to be in the zone more.
...
Edwards' third offering is a changeup with some sink and fade that comes in a bit too hard at times, but has some promise and should develop into an average pitch. He does a nice job keeping both the curve and the change down in the zone, which helps make up for his fastball's lack of sink and gives him a solid 46.8% groundball rate this year, including 52.4% against lefties...
So what are we left with, here? Edwards should have an average fastball and changeup and a plus curveball–he should have solid command, get a reasonable number of strikeouts, and be competent but unexceptional in limiting over-the-fence damage. That sounds like a decent third starter or good fourth starter, which is the almost universal projection I get from talking to others who have seen him this season. I have not heard a single person suggest he has a higher ceiling than that; conversely, I haven't heard anyone be so down on him as to project him as a fifth starter, reliever, or outright bust.
As such, Edwards is a good prospect, but not a great one–I'd expect him to turn in MLB numbers akin to those of Jose Quintana this year (7.07 K/9, 2.71 BB/9, 0.98 HR/9, 44.8% GB%, 3.61 ERA, 3.86 FIP).
I question the accuracy of the stated weight of 155 pounds. The video of him sure doesn't back that up.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1670089-down-on-the-farm-rangers-pitcher-cj-edwards-turning-heads-for-crawdads
Quote from: CBStew on July 25, 2013, 01:24:15 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 25, 2013, 01:07:22 PM
http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/what-can-we-expect-from-c-j-edwards/
QuoteRight now, the curveball is probably his best pitch, as it's a plus offering at times. It's not quite consistently there yet, as he'll get around the pitch on occasion, but the pitch projects to round into consistently above-average form as Edwards develops. It should be effective to both lefties and his fellow righthanders and allow him to post solid strikeout rates.
Edwards' fastball also comes with some zip, though it doesn't project to be as good as the curve, for a few reasons. First, it's a mostly flat pitch. It occasionally has some cutting life to it, but it's usually on the straight side, and I've heard multiple scouts express concern over him actually developing a problem with the home run ball as a result, his incredible homerless streak (playing in a fairly hitter-friendly park) notwitstanding. Edwards doesn't help his case in this area by having a pronounced back-leg collapse in his delivery, costing him plane on the pitch. Finally, his frail 155-pound build has led to issues with maintaining his velocity–he'll usually touch 95 mph in the first inning but never hit it again, and often is in soft-tosser territory by the sixth...
...
What this means is that we can expect significant regression in both Edwards' strikeout and home run rates as he ascends through the minors. Of course, his K-rate is 32.4% and his homer rate is, well, zero, so he's got a lot of room to regress before he's anything approaching mediocre. It should be noted that while Edwards' delivery lacks plane, he does explode toward the plate nicely and has good efficiency and balance that should assist him in developing good fastball command, and I wouldn't be surprised to see his walk rate actually shrink a bit once hitters stop chasing his pitches and force him to be in the zone more.
...
Edwards' third offering is a changeup with some sink and fade that comes in a bit too hard at times, but has some promise and should develop into an average pitch. He does a nice job keeping both the curve and the change down in the zone, which helps make up for his fastball's lack of sink and gives him a solid 46.8% groundball rate this year, including 52.4% against lefties...
So what are we left with, here? Edwards should have an average fastball and changeup and a plus curveball–he should have solid command, get a reasonable number of strikeouts, and be competent but unexceptional in limiting over-the-fence damage. That sounds like a decent third starter or good fourth starter, which is the almost universal projection I get from talking to others who have seen him this season. I have not heard a single person suggest he has a higher ceiling than that; conversely, I haven't heard anyone be so down on him as to project him as a fifth starter, reliever, or outright bust.
As such, Edwards is a good prospect, but not a great one–I'd expect him to turn in MLB numbers akin to those of Jose Quintana this year (7.07 K/9, 2.71 BB/9, 0.98 HR/9, 44.8% GB%, 3.61 ERA, 3.86 FIP).
I question the accuracy of the stated weight of 155 pounds. The video of him sure doesn't back that up.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1670089-down-on-the-farm-rangers-pitcher-cj-edwards-turning-heads-for-crawdads
It's amazing how much he looks like Ron Washington.
(http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/353/092/hi-res-7107644_crop_650x440_crop_north.jpg?w=340&h=234&q=75)
Quote from: BH on July 25, 2013, 01:38:33 PM
Quote from: CBStew on July 25, 2013, 01:24:15 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 25, 2013, 01:07:22 PM
http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/what-can-we-expect-from-c-j-edwards/
QuoteRight now, the curveball is probably his best pitch, as it's a plus offering at times. It's not quite consistently there yet, as he'll get around the pitch on occasion, but the pitch projects to round into consistently above-average form as Edwards develops. It should be effective to both lefties and his fellow righthanders and allow him to post solid strikeout rates.
Edwards' fastball also comes with some zip, though it doesn't project to be as good as the curve, for a few reasons. First, it's a mostly flat pitch. It occasionally has some cutting life to it, but it's usually on the straight side, and I've heard multiple scouts express concern over him actually developing a problem with the home run ball as a result, his incredible homerless streak (playing in a fairly hitter-friendly park) notwitstanding. Edwards doesn't help his case in this area by having a pronounced back-leg collapse in his delivery, costing him plane on the pitch. Finally, his frail 155-pound build has led to issues with maintaining his velocity–he'll usually touch 95 mph in the first inning but never hit it again, and often is in soft-tosser territory by the sixth...
...
What this means is that we can expect significant regression in both Edwards' strikeout and home run rates as he ascends through the minors. Of course, his K-rate is 32.4% and his homer rate is, well, zero, so he's got a lot of room to regress before he's anything approaching mediocre. It should be noted that while Edwards' delivery lacks plane, he does explode toward the plate nicely and has good efficiency and balance that should assist him in developing good fastball command, and I wouldn't be surprised to see his walk rate actually shrink a bit once hitters stop chasing his pitches and force him to be in the zone more.
...
Edwards' third offering is a changeup with some sink and fade that comes in a bit too hard at times, but has some promise and should develop into an average pitch. He does a nice job keeping both the curve and the change down in the zone, which helps make up for his fastball's lack of sink and gives him a solid 46.8% groundball rate this year, including 52.4% against lefties...
So what are we left with, here? Edwards should have an average fastball and changeup and a plus curveball–he should have solid command, get a reasonable number of strikeouts, and be competent but unexceptional in limiting over-the-fence damage. That sounds like a decent third starter or good fourth starter, which is the almost universal projection I get from talking to others who have seen him this season. I have not heard a single person suggest he has a higher ceiling than that; conversely, I haven't heard anyone be so down on him as to project him as a fifth starter, reliever, or outright bust.
As such, Edwards is a good prospect, but not a great one–I'd expect him to turn in MLB numbers akin to those of Jose Quintana this year (7.07 K/9, 2.71 BB/9, 0.98 HR/9, 44.8% GB%, 3.61 ERA, 3.86 FIP).
I question the accuracy of the stated weight of 155 pounds. The video of him sure doesn't back that up.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1670089-down-on-the-farm-rangers-pitcher-cj-edwards-turning-heads-for-crawdads
It's amazing how much he looks like Ron Washington.
(http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/353/092/hi-res-7107644_crop_650x440_crop_north.jpg?w=340&h=234&q=75)
Cocaine's a helluva drug.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 25, 2013, 01:07:22 PM
http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/what-can-we-expect-from-c-j-edwards/
QuoteRight now, the curveball is probably his best pitch, as it's a plus offering at times. It's not quite consistently there yet, as he'll get around the pitch on occasion, but the pitch projects to round into consistently above-average form as Edwards develops. It should be effective to both lefties and his fellow righthanders and allow him to post solid strikeout rates.
Edwards' fastball also comes with some zip, though it doesn't project to be as good as the curve, for a few reasons. First, it's a mostly flat pitch. It occasionally has some cutting life to it, but it's usually on the straight side, and I've heard multiple scouts express concern over him actually developing a problem with the home run ball as a result, his incredible homerless streak (playing in a fairly hitter-friendly park) notwitstanding. Edwards doesn't help his case in this area by having a pronounced back-leg collapse in his delivery, costing him plane on the pitch. Finally, his frail 155-pound build has led to issues with maintaining his velocity–he'll usually touch 95 mph in the first inning but never hit it again, and often is in soft-tosser territory by the sixth...
...
What this means is that we can expect significant regression in both Edwards' strikeout and home run rates as he ascends through the minors. Of course, his K-rate is 32.4% and his homer rate is, well, zero, so he's got a lot of room to regress before he's anything approaching mediocre. It should be noted that while Edwards' delivery lacks plane, he does explode toward the plate nicely and has good efficiency and balance that should assist him in developing good fastball command, and I wouldn't be surprised to see his walk rate actually shrink a bit once hitters stop chasing his pitches and force him to be in the zone more.
...
Edwards' third offering is a changeup with some sink and fade that comes in a bit too hard at times, but has some promise and should develop into an average pitch. He does a nice job keeping both the curve and the change down in the zone, which helps make up for his fastball's lack of sink and gives him a solid 46.8% groundball rate this year, including 52.4% against lefties...
So what are we left with, here? Edwards should have an average fastball and changeup and a plus curveball–he should have solid command, get a reasonable number of strikeouts, and be competent but unexceptional in limiting over-the-fence damage. That sounds like a decent third starter or good fourth starter, which is the almost universal projection I get from talking to others who have seen him this season. I have not heard a single person suggest he has a higher ceiling than that; conversely, I haven't heard anyone be so down on him as to project him as a fifth starter, reliever, or outright bust.
As such, Edwards is a good prospect, but not a great one–I'd expect him to turn in MLB numbers akin to those of Jose Quintana this year (7.07 K/9, 2.71 BB/9, 0.98 HR/9, 44.8% GB%, 3.61 ERA, 3.86 FIP).
That all seems like a pretty level and fair assessment. I do wonder if the scouting community is still catching up to him, considering he was almost universally ignored just a few years ago. His numbers are totally off the charts, so much so that it's hard to try and translate them into major-league equivalents. Basically, I think it's a little weird to say his
ceiling is 3/4 starter when he's putting up better numbers than any other pitcher in the minor leagues. There still has to be some chance he turns into a top-of-the-rotation guy, even if it's less likely than some other guys with a more traditional profile.
Quote from: Eli on July 25, 2013, 01:54:01 PM
That all seems like a pretty level and fair assessment. I do wonder if the scouting community is still catching up to him, considering he was almost universally ignored just a few years ago. His numbers are totally off the charts, so much so that it's hard to try and translate them into major-league equivalents. Basically, I think it's a little weird to say his ceiling is 3/4 starter when he's putting up better numbers than any other pitcher in the minor leagues. There still has to be some chance he turns into a top-of-the-rotation guy, even if it's less likely than some other guys with a more traditional profile.
Since he's just getting moved up into high-A at this point there are at least two years to level-set his performance to an accurate projection. Not to mention, if leg collapse is what's behind his lack of movement (and could also be behind his lack of stamina), that can be corrected.
And if it turns out that he can really only bring gas for an an inning, that's one less spot in the bullpen to worry about.
Quote from: Fork on July 25, 2013, 01:58:06 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 25, 2013, 01:54:01 PM
That all seems like a pretty level and fair assessment. I do wonder if the scouting community is still catching up to him, considering he was almost universally ignored just a few years ago. His numbers are totally off the charts, so much so that it's hard to try and translate them into major-league equivalents. Basically, I think it's a little weird to say his ceiling is 3/4 starter when he's putting up better numbers than any other pitcher in the minor leagues. There still has to be some chance he turns into a top-of-the-rotation guy, even if it's less likely than some other guys with a more traditional profile.
Since he's just getting moved up into high-A at this point there are at least two years to level-set his performance to an accurate projection. Not to mention, if leg collapse is what's behind his lack of movement (and could also be behind his lack of stamina), that can be corrected.
And if it turns out that he can really only bring gas for an an inning, that's one less spot in the bullpen to worry about.
I did wonder if the leg collapse is a part of him driving off the rubber to generate power. At his size, he's not really going to be able to stand tall and gain leverage that way.
Agreed on the possibility of him possibly being a lights-out bullpen guy, but that'd probably be a little disappointing.
Quote from: Eli on July 25, 2013, 02:10:05 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 25, 2013, 01:58:06 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 25, 2013, 01:54:01 PM
That all seems like a pretty level and fair assessment. I do wonder if the scouting community is still catching up to him, considering he was almost universally ignored just a few years ago. His numbers are totally off the charts, so much so that it's hard to try and translate them into major-league equivalents. Basically, I think it's a little weird to say his ceiling is 3/4 starter when he's putting up better numbers than any other pitcher in the minor leagues. There still has to be some chance he turns into a top-of-the-rotation guy, even if it's less likely than some other guys with a more traditional profile.
Since he's just getting moved up into high-A at this point there are at least two years to level-set his performance to an accurate projection. Not to mention, if leg collapse is what's behind his lack of movement (and could also be behind his lack of stamina), that can be corrected.
And if it turns out that he can really only bring gas for an an inning, that's one less spot in the bullpen to worry about.
I did wonder if the leg collapse is a part of him driving off the rubber to generate power. At his size, he's not really going to be able to stand tall and gain leverage that way.
Agreed on the possibility of him possibly being a lights-out bullpen guy, but that'd probably be a little disappointing.
At some point he will need to get into a weight room and build his legs. That's how he can generate drive. But I'm also operating under the assumption that somebody who can write up this detailed a scouting report knows collapsing the leg (where the body moves more vertically) from driving (where the body moves forward).
Quote from: Fork on July 25, 2013, 02:58:05 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 25, 2013, 02:10:05 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 25, 2013, 01:58:06 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 25, 2013, 01:54:01 PM
That all seems like a pretty level and fair assessment. I do wonder if the scouting community is still catching up to him, considering he was almost universally ignored just a few years ago. His numbers are totally off the charts, so much so that it's hard to try and translate them into major-league equivalents. Basically, I think it's a little weird to say his ceiling is 3/4 starter when he's putting up better numbers than any other pitcher in the minor leagues. There still has to be some chance he turns into a top-of-the-rotation guy, even if it's less likely than some other guys with a more traditional profile.
Since he's just getting moved up into high-A at this point there are at least two years to level-set his performance to an accurate projection. Not to mention, if leg collapse is what's behind his lack of movement (and could also be behind his lack of stamina), that can be corrected.
And if it turns out that he can really only bring gas for an an inning, that's one less spot in the bullpen to worry about.
I did wonder if the leg collapse is a part of him driving off the rubber to generate power. At his size, he's not really going to be able to stand tall and gain leverage that way.
Agreed on the possibility of him possibly being a lights-out bullpen guy, but that'd probably be a little disappointing.
At some point he will need to get into a weight room and build his legs. That's how he can generate drive. But I'm also operating under the assumption that somebody who can write up this detailed a scouting report knows collapsing the leg (where the body moves more vertically) from driving (where the body moves forward).
This is great.
Quote from: Fork on July 25, 2013, 02:58:05 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 25, 2013, 02:10:05 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 25, 2013, 01:58:06 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 25, 2013, 01:54:01 PM
That all seems like a pretty level and fair assessment. I do wonder if the scouting community is still catching up to him, considering he was almost universally ignored just a few years ago. His numbers are totally off the charts, so much so that it's hard to try and translate them into major-league equivalents. Basically, I think it's a little weird to say his ceiling is 3/4 starter when he's putting up better numbers than any other pitcher in the minor leagues. There still has to be some chance he turns into a top-of-the-rotation guy, even if it's less likely than some other guys with a more traditional profile.
Since he's just getting moved up into high-A at this point there are at least two years to level-set his performance to an accurate projection. Not to mention, if leg collapse is what's behind his lack of movement (and could also be behind his lack of stamina), that can be corrected.
And if it turns out that he can really only bring gas for an an inning, that's one less spot in the bullpen to worry about.
I did wonder if the leg collapse is a part of him driving off the rubber to generate power. At his size, he's not really going to be able to stand tall and gain leverage that way.
Agreed on the possibility of him possibly being a lights-out bullpen guy, but that'd probably be a little disappointing.
At some point he will need to get into a weight room and build his legs. That's how he can generate drive. But I'm also operating under the assumption that somebody who can write up this detailed a scouting report knows collapsing the leg (where the body moves more vertically) from driving (where the body moves forward).
Again, yes. I might not have been quite clear in my first post; I also assume the guy knows the difference between the two. I just mentioned that his leg could be collapsing because he's forced to drive more with it than some other pitchers. Total speculation on my part though.
I feel like you're trying to argue with me despite the fact I agree with everything you're saying.
Quote from: Eli on July 25, 2013, 03:56:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 25, 2013, 02:58:05 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 25, 2013, 02:10:05 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 25, 2013, 01:58:06 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 25, 2013, 01:54:01 PM
That all seems like a pretty level and fair assessment. I do wonder if the scouting community is still catching up to him, considering he was almost universally ignored just a few years ago. His numbers are totally off the charts, so much so that it's hard to try and translate them into major-league equivalents. Basically, I think it's a little weird to say his ceiling is 3/4 starter when he's putting up better numbers than any other pitcher in the minor leagues. There still has to be some chance he turns into a top-of-the-rotation guy, even if it's less likely than some other guys with a more traditional profile.
Since he's just getting moved up into high-A at this point there are at least two years to level-set his performance to an accurate projection. Not to mention, if leg collapse is what's behind his lack of movement (and could also be behind his lack of stamina), that can be corrected.
And if it turns out that he can really only bring gas for an an inning, that's one less spot in the bullpen to worry about.
I did wonder if the leg collapse is a part of him driving off the rubber to generate power. At his size, he's not really going to be able to stand tall and gain leverage that way.
Agreed on the possibility of him possibly being a lights-out bullpen guy, but that'd probably be a little disappointing.
At some point he will need to get into a weight room and build his legs. That's how he can generate drive. But I'm also operating under the assumption that somebody who can write up this detailed a scouting report knows collapsing the leg (where the body moves more vertically) from driving (where the body moves forward).
Again, yes. I might not have been quite clear in my first post; I also assume the guy knows the difference between the two. I just mentioned that his leg could be collapsing because he's forced to drive more with it than some other pitchers. Total speculation on my part though.
I feel like you're trying to argue with me despite the fact I agree with everything you're saying.
prove it.
Jon Heyman thinks (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24227543/marlins-and-cubs-could-discuss-a-swap-of-bigtime-prospects) the Cubs might swap some of their big bat prospects for some of Miami's big arm prospects. Having to play for Loria's little plaything in that very-Miami stadium just seems cruel.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 13, 2013, 11:06:01 AM
Jon Heyman thinks (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24227543/marlins-and-cubs-could-discuss-a-swap-of-bigtime-prospects) the Cubs might swap some of their big bat prospects for some of Miami's big arm prospects. Having to play for Loria's little plaything in that very-Miami stadium just seems cruel.
What Heyman is trying to say is that every team wants Vitters and/or Brett Jackson and are willing to give up their best pitching prospects for either.
Quote from: BH on November 13, 2013, 12:27:02 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 13, 2013, 11:06:01 AM
Jon Heyman thinks (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24227543/marlins-and-cubs-could-discuss-a-swap-of-bigtime-prospects) the Cubs might swap some of their big bat prospects for some of Miami's big arm prospects. Having to play for Loria's little plaything in that very-Miami stadium just seems cruel.
What Heyman is trying to say is that every team wants Vitters and/or Brett Jackson and are willing to give up their best pitching prospects for either.
I'm fine with this. TRAYD UM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 13, 2013, 01:09:24 PM
Quote from: BH on November 13, 2013, 12:27:02 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 13, 2013, 11:06:01 AM
Jon Heyman thinks (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24227543/marlins-and-cubs-could-discuss-a-swap-of-bigtime-prospects) the Cubs might swap some of their big bat prospects for some of Miami's big arm prospects. Having to play for Loria's little plaything in that very-Miami stadium just seems cruel.
What Heyman is trying to say is that every team wants Vitters and/or Brett Jackson and are willing to give up their best pitching prospects for either.
I'm fine with this. TRAYD UM
Intrepid Reader: OlegWoah, woah, woah, woah, woah... woah. Woah. Jose Fernandez or no fucking deal.
I want the Cardinals to trade Oscar Taveras to the Rays (among other St. Louis prospects) for David Price only to lose in the first round and watch Price sign with the Cubs as a free agent. Please.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 25, 2014, 09:38:34 PM
I want the Cardinals to trade Oscar Taveras to the Rays (among other St. Louis prospects) for David Price only to lose in the first round and watch Price sign with the Cubs as a free agent. Please.
Do the Cardinals get yet another first round draft pick for that?
Quote from: Yeti on July 25, 2014, 11:16:11 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 25, 2014, 09:38:34 PM
I want the Cardinals to trade Oscar Taveras to the Rays (among other St. Louis prospects) for David Price only to lose in the first round and watch Price sign with the Cubs as a free agent. Please.
Do the Cardinals get yet another first round draft pick for that?
Probably. He's arb-eligible after next season I think. So the trade can happen in the middle of next year when he's not compensation-eligible. But after Taveras establishes himself, maybe, so they won't want to trade him. Damn it.
TRADE FUGGIN DEADLINE!
Yoenis Cespedes to Boston, which makes no sense unless they're re-signing him.
Jon Lester and Jonny Gomes to Oakland.
Lots of Twitter twatheads helpfully informed me that this is in fact a BLOCKBUSTER, which no one would have put together without the label.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 31, 2014, 11:18:23 AM
TRADE FUGGIN DEADLINE!
Yoenis Cespedes to Boston, which makes no sense unless they're re-signing him.
Jon Lester and Jonny Gomes to Oakland.
Lots of Twitter twatheads helpfully informed me that this is in fact a BLOCKBUSTER, which no one would have put together without the label.
I found it strange they traded Cespedes, but upon looking at his numbers maybe he's not really what I thought he was. Seems like Gomes and Fuld (LOL) will replace him, plus the A's now have Lester and it looks like they're not done, either.
I guess if you want to talk stupid trades, WTF A's? Sam Fuld for Tommy Milone? The A's DFA'd Fuld earlier in the year and basically the Twins are stealing Tommy Milone.
Lackey to the Cards for Craig and Kelly. Probably a good trade for Boston but Kelly seems serviceable at best and Craig is having a down year and is already north of 30.
Lackey is a shithead fuck so of course he's a great fit in St. Louis.
Aroldis Chapman sure would be a nice piece to shore up the bullpen. The Reds aren't going anywhere, either. Maybe they pick up Leake to replace Wood or Hendricks, too. I'd love a big move like Syndergaard but a midtier move like this is pretty realistic, I think. They're not going to put up with this pitching staff long.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on May 16, 2015, 04:40:33 PM
Aroldis Chapman sure would be a nice piece to shore up the bullpen. The Reds aren't going anywhere, either. Maybe they pick up Leake to replace Wood or Hendricks, too. I'd love a big move like Syndergaard but a midtier move like this is pretty realistic, I think. They're not going to put up with this pitching staff long.
The hell are you talkin about.
Quote from: Slaky on May 16, 2015, 04:58:10 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on May 16, 2015, 04:40:33 PM
Aroldis Chapman sure would be a nice piece to shore up the bullpen. The Reds aren't going anywhere, either. Maybe they pick up Leake to replace Wood or Hendricks, too. I'd love a big move like Syndergaard but a midtier move like this is pretty realistic, I think. They're not going to put up with this pitching staff long.
The hell are you talkin about.
What the Cubs might do to avoid the likes of Brian Shitter and Whatshisname ruining things if the bullpen continues to be a problem due to injury, ineffectiveness, or both. And a 4/5 starter tandem of Wood/Hendricks probably isn't going to cut it. They've traded with the Reds before, so the in-division thing won't be a dealbreaker. They have the pieces to get anyone they want. Assuming they're not getting Syndergaard or Giolito or any of those types, this could be the kind of move they make. Maybe, maybe not. It's getting time to start talking trades so all I'm saying is let's just see how this plays out. Aren't you looking forward to seeing them in buy mode instead of sell for the first time in a decade?
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2015, 07:37:17 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on May 16, 2015, 05:58:52 PM
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on May 16, 2015, 04:40:33 PM
Aroldis Chapman sure would be a nice piece to shore up the bullpen. The Reds aren't going anywhere, either. Maybe they pick up Leake to replace Wood or Hendricks, too. I'd love a big move like Syndergaard but a midtier move like this is pretty realistic, I think. They're not going to put up with this pitching staff long.
The hell are you talkin about.
What the Cubs might do to avoid the likes of Brian Shitter and Whatshisname ruining things if the bullpen continues to be a problem due to injury, ineffectiveness, or both. And a 4/5 starter tandem of Wood/Hendricks probably isn't going to cut it. They've traded with the Reds before, so the in-division thing won't be a dealbreaker. They have the pieces to get anyone they want. Assuming they're not getting Syndergaard or Giolito or any of those types, this could be the kind of move they make. Maybe, maybe not. It's getting time to start talking trades so all I'm saying is let's just see how this plays out. Aren't you looking forward to seeing them in buy mode instead of sell for the first time in a decade?
I still can't tell if you're serious.
I'm pretty sure he is. On the surface, fine. But, The Reds are a 500 team, 6 games out of first a quarter of the way into the season. Why would they trade Chapman and Leake now, within the division?
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Quote from: Slaky on May 16, 2015, 04:58:10 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on May 16, 2015, 04:40:33 PM
Aroldis Chapman sure would be a nice piece to shore up the bullpen. The Reds aren't going anywhere, either. Maybe they pick up Leake to replace Wood or Hendricks, too. I'd love a big move like Syndergaard but a midtier move like this is pretty realistic, I think. They're not going to put up with this pitching staff long.
The hell are you talkin about.
What the Cubs might do to avoid the likes of Brian Shitter and Whatshisname ruining things if the bullpen continues to be a problem due to injury, ineffectiveness, or both. And a 4/5 starter tandem of Wood/Hendricks probably isn't going to cut it. They've traded with the Reds before, so the in-division thing won't be a dealbreaker. They have the pieces to get anyone they want. Assuming they're not getting Syndergaard or Giolito or any of those types, this could be the kind of move they make. Maybe, maybe not. It's getting time to start talking trades so all I'm saying is let's just see how this plays out. Aren't you looking forward to seeing them in buy mode instead of sell for the first time in a decade?
Edit: I still can't fully tell if you're serious, because this would be more than a mid-tier move. But I've thought about this for two minutes and you know what? I'm intrigued. We'd also have a decent comparison because Craig Kimbrel was just traded.
The Padres gave up Matt Wisler as the centerpiece and he was generally ranked between 40-50 on most prospect lists. They also gave up Jordan Paroubeck, who's basically a fringe guy. They also gave up a competitive balance pick, Cameron Maybin and Carlos Quentin (neither of whom should factor much into this discussion).
Kimbrel was probably regarded slightly higher than Chapman and is under contract for longer (through 2018) at a reasonable cost. Chapman is a FA after 2016. So 1.5 seasons of Chapman should be worth a decent bit less than 4 full seasons of Kimbrel.
Considering that Kimbrel was basically had for a top-50 prospect, a competitive-balance pick, and some flotsam, that's something the Cubs could easily absorb with their system depth. Not sure what the package would look like. McKinney and Underwood? Maybe I'll pose this question on Twitter so everyone can tell me the Cubs should never trade a prospect for anything.
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2015, 07:54:27 PM
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Quote from: Slaky on May 16, 2015, 04:58:10 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on May 16, 2015, 04:40:33 PM
Aroldis Chapman sure would be a nice piece to shore up the bullpen. The Reds aren't going anywhere, either. Maybe they pick up Leake to replace Wood or Hendricks, too. I'd love a big move like Syndergaard but a midtier move like this is pretty realistic, I think. They're not going to put up with this pitching staff long.
The hell are you talkin about.
What the Cubs might do to avoid the likes of Brian Shitter and Whatshisname ruining things if the bullpen continues to be a problem due to injury, ineffectiveness, or both. And a 4/5 starter tandem of Wood/Hendricks probably isn't going to cut it. They've traded with the Reds before, so the in-division thing won't be a dealbreaker. They have the pieces to get anyone they want. Assuming they're not getting Syndergaard or Giolito or any of those types, this could be the kind of move they make. Maybe, maybe not. It's getting time to start talking trades so all I'm saying is let's just see how this plays out. Aren't you looking forward to seeing them in buy mode instead of sell for the first time in a decade?
Edit: I still can't fully tell if you're serious, because this would be more than a mid-tier move. But I've thought about this for two minutes and you know what? I'm intrigued. We'd also have a decent comparison because Craig Kimbrel was just traded.
The Padres gave up Matt Wisler as the centerpiece and he was generally ranked between 40-50 on most prospect lists. They also gave up Jordan Paroubeck, who's basically a fringe guy. They also gave up a competitive balance pick, Cameron Maybin and Carlos Quentin (neither of whom should factor much into this discussion).
Kimbrel was probably regarded slightly higher than Chapman and is under contract for longer (through 2018) at a reasonable cost. Chapman is a FA after 2016. So 1.5 seasons of Chapman should be worth a decent bit less than 4 full seasons of Kimbrel.
Considering that Kimbrel was basically had for a top-50 prospect, a competitive-balance pick, and some flotsam, that's something the Cubs could easily absorb with their system depth. Not sure what the package would look like. McKinney and Underwood? Maybe I'll pose this question on Twitter so everyone can tell me the Cubs should never trade a prospect for anything.
I don't hate this but I think the rotation is a bigger concern than the pen. Ramirez should be back in June and I think the pen will sort itself out to an extent. I'd rather try your proposed Kazmir trade. What do you think that costs?
Quote from: SKO on May 16, 2015, 08:10:52 PM
I don't hate this but I think the rotation is a bigger concern than the pen. Ramirez should be back in June and I think the pen will sort itself out to an extent. I'd rather try your proposed Kazmir trade. What do you think that costs?
Russell and McKinney? OK...probably not.
I bet The As would love Vogelbach.
Quote from: Oleg on May 16, 2015, 08:24:44 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 16, 2015, 08:10:52 PM
I don't hate this but I think the rotation is a bigger concern than the pen. Ramirez should be back in June and I think the pen will sort itself out to an extent. I'd rather try your proposed Kazmir trade. What do you think that costs?
Russell and McKinney? OK...probably not.
I bet The As would love Vogelbach.
We could give them Gleyber. Seems only fair.
Quote from: SKO on May 16, 2015, 08:41:19 PM
Quote from: Oleg on May 16, 2015, 08:24:44 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 16, 2015, 08:10:52 PM
I don't hate this but I think the rotation is a bigger concern than the pen. Ramirez should be back in June and I think the pen will sort itself out to an extent. I'd rather try your proposed Kazmir trade. What do you think that costs?
Russell and McKinney? OK...probably not.
I bet The As would love Vogelbach.
We could give them Gleyber. Seems only fair.
Why? I've already traded Vogelbach and Hendricks for Kazmir and Doolitle, assuming he's healthy. We're good.
Poor Welington Castillo. Guy just can't catch a break this season. He's been dealt again, this time to the Diamondbacks, who suck, and now his boss is Tony La Russa. He's been included as part of the package for Mark Trumbo.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 03, 2015, 07:23:07 PM
Poor Welington Castillo. Guy just can't catch a break this season. He's been dealt again, this time to the Diamondbacks, who suck, and now his boss is Tony La Russa. He's been included as part of the package for Mark Trumbo.
Which makes one wonder why he wasn't just part of the Montero trade in the first place.
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Poor Welington Castillo. Guy just can't catch a break this season. He's been dealt again, this time to the Diamondbacks, who suck, and now his boss is Tony La Russa. He's been included as part of the package for Mark Trumbo.
Which makes one wonder why he wasn't just part of the Montero trade in the first place.
Because The DBags didn't lose one of their catchers to an ACL tear until this week?
Quote from: Oleg on June 04, 2015, 10:59:00 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on June 04, 2015, 07:54:29 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 03, 2015, 07:23:07 PM
Poor Welington Castillo. Guy just can't catch a break this season. He's been dealt again, this time to the Diamondbacks, who suck, and now his boss is Tony La Russa. He's been included as part of the package for Mark Trumbo.
Which makes one wonder why he wasn't just part of the Montero trade in the first place.
Because The DBags didn't lose one of their catchers to an ACL tear until this week?
Which makes one wonder why The Genius didn't anticipate that happening six months in advance.
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Quote from: Oleg on June 04, 2015, 10:59:00 AM
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 03, 2015, 07:23:07 PM
Poor Welington Castillo. Guy just can't catch a break this season. He's been dealt again, this time to the Diamondbacks, who suck, and now his boss is Tony La Russa. He's been included as part of the package for Mark Trumbo.
Which makes one wonder why he wasn't just part of the Montero trade in the first place.
Because The DBags didn't lose one of their catchers to an ACL tear until this week?
Which makes one wonder why The Genius didn't anticipate that happening six months in advance.
Yeah, that's true, he's used to having contingency plans more for dead pitchers.
Ruben Amaro supposedly asked the Mariners for Taijuan Walker or James Paxton in return for fucking Ben Revere so I'm gonna go ahead and say I don't want the Cubs to meet their demands on Papelbon or Hamels.
What a fucking moron.
Quote from: SKO on June 11, 2015, 02:16:29 PM
Ruben Amaro supposedly asked the Mariners for Taijuan Walker or James Paxton in return for fucking Ben Revere so I'm gonna go ahead and say I don't want the Cubs to meet their demands on Papelbon or Hamels.
What a fucking moron.
I mean, it'd be a steal for Ruben if he got it, so......
Quote from: Yeti on June 11, 2015, 02:23:22 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 11, 2015, 02:16:29 PM
Ruben Amaro supposedly asked the Mariners for Taijuan Walker or James Paxton in return for fucking Ben Revere so I'm gonna go ahead and say I don't want the Cubs to meet their demands on Papelbon or Hamels.
What a fucking moron.
I mean, it'd be a steal for Ruben if he got it, so......
I mean you can't blame a guy for aiming high, but based on the Hamels rumors and everything else it appears he's just that guy in your fantasty football league that offers you three guys off his bench for Marshawn Lynch and gets pissy when you turn down his +2 trade.
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Quote from: SKO on June 11, 2015, 02:16:29 PM
Ruben Amaro supposedly asked the Mariners for Taijuan Walker or James Paxton in return for fucking Ben Revere so I'm gonna go ahead and say I don't want the Cubs to meet their demands on Papelbon or Hamels.
What a fucking moron.
I mean, it'd be a steal for Ruben if he got it, so......
I mean you can't blame a guy for aiming high, but based on the Hamels rumors and everything else it appears he's just that guy in your fantasty football league that offers you three guys off his bench for Marshawn Lynch and gets pissy when you turn down his +2 trade.
Quote from: Ken Rosenthal on Facebook
#Phillies GM Ruben Amaro Jr. on whether he asked for Walker or Paxton when #Mariners inquired on Revere, as @TNT_Mariners reported:
"Typically we would not comment on rumors. But when they reach this level of ridiculousness, I can say unequivocally that what has been written is false."
Quote from: Oleg on June 11, 2015, 05:27:28 PM
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Quote from: SKO on June 11, 2015, 02:16:29 PM
Ruben Amaro supposedly asked the Mariners for Taijuan Walker or James Paxton in return for fucking Ben Revere so I'm gonna go ahead and say I don't want the Cubs to meet their demands on Papelbon or Hamels.
What a fucking moron.
I mean, it'd be a steal for Ruben if he got it, so......
I mean you can't blame a guy for aiming high, but based on the Hamels rumors and everything else it appears he's just that guy in your fantasty football league that offers you three guys off his bench for Marshawn Lynch and gets pissy when you turn down his +2 trade.
Quote from: Ken Rosenthal on Facebook
#Phillies GM Ruben Amaro Jr. on whether he asked for Walker or Paxton when #Mariners inquired on Revere, as @TNT_Mariners reported:
“Typically we would not comment on rumors. But when they reach this level of ridiculousness, I can say unequivocally that what has been written is false.”
"I simply cannot allow such a malicious and harmful rumor, that I asked for Walker or Paxton, to fester. I clearly and distinctly asked for Walker AND Paxton."
Cole Hamels was filthy against the Pirates. I want him on the Cubs badly and Papelbon can come too.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 17, 2015, 04:07:50 AM
Cole Hamels was filthy against the Pirates. I want him on the Cubs badly and Papelbon can come too.
I'm sort of cross posting this, but help might be on the way. (http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/phillies-target-andy-macphail-franchise-leader-pat-gillick)
Quote from: Brownie on June 17, 2015, 04:29:00 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 17, 2015, 04:07:50 AM
Cole Hamels was filthy against the Pirates. I want him on the Cubs badly and Papelbon can come too.
I'm sort of cross posting this, but help might be on the way. (http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/phillies-target-andy-macphail-franchise-leader-pat-gillick)
Phillies have announced Cole will miss a start due to a mild hamstring strain. Quick, strike now! Get a discount!
Holy shit Dave Stewart is sounding stupid defending the Toussaint trade (instead of just being honest and saying he was willing to give up a first round pick to save $10 million, shortly after signing a $1.5 billion TV deal).
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The truth is we did not know what Touki's value would be if we shopped him. There is a lot of speculation on that. People are assuming it would have been better, but we don't know.
"We have no idea what the value of this shiny rock we paid $3 million for might be. But we didn't want to get it appraised or ask for offers. We just took the first shitty utility infielder we could find. Frankly, the less we know about our assets, the better."
TPD? Fuck it's silent in here. Anyway I don't know where Brett is getting this idea that the Cubs can't take on salary. I don't buy that at all. It's like everyone forgot the Cubs put a claim in on Hamels last year when he was owed even more than he's owed now. I don't think acquiring Hamels (who makes sense because he's more than a rental, when by all accounts this team will be better going forward) and signing a FA pitcher this offseason are mutually exclusive.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 29, 2015, 01:04:38 PM
TPD? Fuck it's silent in here. Anyway I don't know where Brett is getting this idea that the Cubs can't take on salary. I don't buy that at all. It's like everyone forgot the Cubs put a claim in on Hamels last year when he was owed even more than he's owed now. I don't think acquiring Hamels (who makes sense because he's more than a rental, when by all accounts this team will be better going forward) and signing a FA pitcher this offseason are mutually exclusive.
Can't? Or won't? I think the Cubs will add pitching, but on the back end of the rotation. I feel like it's more likely they wait until winter to take on salary on a more top of the rotation pitcher.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 29, 2015, 01:04:38 PM
I don't think acquiring Hamels (who makes sense because he's more than a rental, when by all accounts this team will be better going forward) and signing a FA pitcher this offseason are mutually exclusive.
They're not going to have Lester, Hamels AND another big-name FA pitcher. That'd be about $75-80 million a year tied up for three pitchers.
Quote from: Eli on June 29, 2015, 01:53:36 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 29, 2015, 01:04:38 PM
I don't think acquiring Hamels (who makes sense because he's more than a rental, when by all accounts this team will be better going forward) and signing a FA pitcher this offseason are mutually exclusive.
They're not going to have Lester, Hamels AND another big-name FA pitcher. That'd be about $75-80 million a year tied up for three pitchers.
Why not if they can afford it (and they absolutely can)? Isn't that the whole point of amassing an army of cost-controlled talent everywhere else on the roster?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 29, 2015, 02:31:21 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 29, 2015, 01:53:36 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 29, 2015, 01:04:38 PM
I don't think acquiring Hamels (who makes sense because he's more than a rental, when by all accounts this team will be better going forward) and signing a FA pitcher this offseason are mutually exclusive.
They're not going to have Lester, Hamels AND another big-name FA pitcher. That'd be about $75-80 million a year tied up for three pitchers.
Why not if they can afford it (and they absolutely can)? Isn't that the whole point of amassing an army of cost-controlled talent everywhere else on the roster?
Even I am not sure they can afford $75 million to three pitchers.
I would prefer going after Hamels today because 1) There's no guaranty you can get one of Price et al after this season; and 2) I'd like to see them move some players because not all of them will have available positions on the ML roster. If the season ends and no trade is made, by all means go after Price et al and hoard the players for another deal.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 29, 2015, 02:31:21 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 29, 2015, 01:53:36 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 29, 2015, 01:04:38 PM
I don't think acquiring Hamels (who makes sense because he's more than a rental, when by all accounts this team will be better going forward) and signing a FA pitcher this offseason are mutually exclusive.
They're not going to have Lester, Hamels AND another big-name FA pitcher. That'd be about $75-80 million a year tied up for three pitchers.
Why not if they can afford it (and they absolutely can)? Isn't that the whole point of amassing an army of cost-controlled talent everywhere else on the roster?
"Can" afford it and "willing to pay" are totally different. Even with a $200 million payroll (which is double their current payroll), that's still a pretty unbalanced use of resources.
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 29, 2015, 01:04:38 PM
I don't think acquiring Hamels (who makes sense because he's more than a rental, when by all accounts this team will be better going forward) and signing a FA pitcher this offseason are mutually exclusive.
They're not going to have Lester, Hamels AND another big-name FA pitcher. That'd be about $75-80 million a year tied up for three pitchers.
Why not if they can afford it (and they absolutely can)? Isn't that the whole point of amassing an army of cost-controlled talent everywhere else on the roster?
"Can" afford it and "willing to pay" are totally different. Even with a $200 million payroll (which is double their current payroll), that's still a pretty unbalanced use of resources.
They could afford it were this 2019 and they had a new TV deal in place. They don't and there's no guaranty they will. I'd still bet they get a few billion for the broadcast / streaming rights, but 4 years is an eternity in this media environment.
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 29, 2015, 01:04:38 PM
I don't think acquiring Hamels (who makes sense because he's more than a rental, when by all accounts this team will be better going forward) and signing a FA pitcher this offseason are mutually exclusive.
They're not going to have Lester, Hamels AND another big-name FA pitcher. That'd be about $75-80 million a year tied up for three pitchers.
Why not if they can afford it (and they absolutely can)? Isn't that the whole point of amassing an army of cost-controlled talent everywhere else on the roster?
"Can" afford it and "willing to pay" are totally different. Even with a $200 million payroll (which is double their current payroll), that's still a pretty unbalanced use of resources.
They could afford it were this 2019 and they had a new TV deal in place. They don't and there's no guaranty they will. I'd still bet they get a few billion for the broadcast / streaming rights, but 4 years is an eternity in this media environment.
Are you spelling guarantee like that to be different or is that a real thing?
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 29, 2015, 01:04:38 PM
I don't think acquiring Hamels (who makes sense because he's more than a rental, when by all accounts this team will be better going forward) and signing a FA pitcher this offseason are mutually exclusive.
They're not going to have Lester, Hamels AND another big-name FA pitcher. That'd be about $75-80 million a year tied up for three pitchers.
Why not if they can afford it (and they absolutely can)? Isn't that the whole point of amassing an army of cost-controlled talent everywhere else on the roster?
"Can" afford it and "willing to pay" are totally different. Even with a $200 million payroll (which is double their current payroll), that's still a pretty unbalanced use of resources.
They could afford it were this 2019 and they had a new TV deal in place. They don't and there's no guaranty they will. I'd still bet they get a few billion for the broadcast / streaming rights, but 4 years is an eternity in this media environment.
Are you spelling guarantee like that to be different or is that a real thing?
It was a set up to remind us that he's a banker and you fell for it.
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 29, 2015, 01:04:38 PM
I don't think acquiring Hamels (who makes sense because he's more than a rental, when by all accounts this team will be better going forward) and signing a FA pitcher this offseason are mutually exclusive.
They're not going to have Lester, Hamels AND another big-name FA pitcher. That'd be about $75-80 million a year tied up for three pitchers.
Why not if they can afford it (and they absolutely can)? Isn't that the whole point of amassing an army of cost-controlled talent everywhere else on the roster?
"Can" afford it and "willing to pay" are totally different. Even with a $200 million payroll (which is double their current payroll), that's still a pretty unbalanced use of resources.
They could afford it were this 2019 and they had a new TV deal in place. They don't and there's no guaranty they will. I'd still bet they get a few billion for the broadcast / streaming rights, but 4 years is an eternity in this media environment.
Are you spelling guarantee like that to be different or is that a real thing?
It's a banking/finance thing. But Chuck never misses an opportunity to Chuck.
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 29, 2015, 01:04:38 PM
I don't think acquiring Hamels (who makes sense because he's more than a rental, when by all accounts this team will be better going forward) and signing a FA pitcher this offseason are mutually exclusive.
They're not going to have Lester, Hamels AND another big-name FA pitcher. That'd be about $75-80 million a year tied up for three pitchers.
Why not if they can afford it (and they absolutely can)? Isn't that the whole point of amassing an army of cost-controlled talent everywhere else on the roster?
"Can" afford it and "willing to pay" are totally different. Even with a $200 million payroll (which is double their current payroll), that's still a pretty unbalanced use of resources.
They could afford it were this 2019 and they had a new TV deal in place. They don't and there's no guaranty they will. I'd still bet they get a few billion for the broadcast / streaming rights, but 4 years is an eternity in this media environment.
Are you spelling guarantee like that to be different or is that a real thing?
It's a banking/finance thing. But Chuck never misses an opportunity to Chuck.
Yeah, I don't get "guarantee." It's not "warrantee." I do use guaranty and guarantee interchangeablee.
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I don't think acquiring Hamels (who makes sense because he's more than a rental, when by all accounts this team will be better going forward) and signing a FA pitcher this offseason are mutually exclusive.
They're not going to have Lester, Hamels AND another big-name FA pitcher. That'd be about $75-80 million a year tied up for three pitchers.
Why not if they can afford it (and they absolutely can)? Isn't that the whole point of amassing an army of cost-controlled talent everywhere else on the roster?
"Can" afford it and "willing to pay" are totally different. Even with a $200 million payroll (which is double their current payroll), that's still a pretty unbalanced use of resources.
They could afford it were this 2019 and they had a new TV deal in place. They don't and there's no guaranty they will. I'd still bet they get a few billion for the broadcast / streaming rights, but 4 years is an eternity in this media environment.
Are you spelling guarantee like that to be different or is that a real thing?
It's a banking/finance thing. But Chuck never misses an opportunity to Chuck.
Yeah, I don't get "guarantee." It's not "warrantee." I do use guaranty and guarantee interchangeablee.
But they're not interchangeable. Guaranty is a very specific contract/covenant to pay a debt in the case of the debtor not being able to pay, where guarantee is a pledge or contract to perform as stated, including paying a debt.
Guarantee can also be used as a verb. I don't believe guaranty is.Forget it, Merriam-Webster says they can be used interchangeably. Chuck is right. Broken clocks and all that?
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I don't think acquiring Hamels (who makes sense because he's more than a rental, when by all accounts this team will be better going forward) and signing a FA pitcher this offseason are mutually exclusive.
They're not going to have Lester, Hamels AND another big-name FA pitcher. That'd be about $75-80 million a year tied up for three pitchers.
Why not if they can afford it (and they absolutely can)? Isn't that the whole point of amassing an army of cost-controlled talent everywhere else on the roster?
"Can" afford it and "willing to pay" are totally different. Even with a $200 million payroll (which is double their current payroll), that's still a pretty unbalanced use of resources.
They could afford it were this 2019 and they had a new TV deal in place. They don't and there's no guaranty they will. I'd still bet they get a few billion for the broadcast / streaming rights, but 4 years is an eternity in this media environment.
Are you spelling guarantee like that to be different or is that a real thing?
It's a banking/finance thing. But Chuck never misses an opportunity to Chuck.
Yeah, I don't get "guarantee." It's not "warrantee." I do use guaranty and guarantee interchangeablee.
But they're not interchangeable. Guaranty is a very specific contract/covenant to pay a debt in the case of the debtor not being able to pay, where guarantee is a pledge or contract to perform as stated, including paying a debt.
Guarantee can also be used as a verb. I don't believe guaranty is.
Forget it, Merriam-Webster says they can be used interchangeably. Chuck is right. Broken clocks and all that?
Mike Olt and Kris Bryant can be used interchangeably, too. But if using one of them rustles so many jimmies, why not use the perfectly non-jimmie-rustling alternative?
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I don't think acquiring Hamels (who makes sense because he's more than a rental, when by all accounts this team will be better going forward) and signing a FA pitcher this offseason are mutually exclusive.
They're not going to have Lester, Hamels AND another big-name FA pitcher. That'd be about $75-80 million a year tied up for three pitchers.
Why not if they can afford it (and they absolutely can)? Isn't that the whole point of amassing an army of cost-controlled talent everywhere else on the roster?
"Can" afford it and "willing to pay" are totally different. Even with a $200 million payroll (which is double their current payroll), that's still a pretty unbalanced use of resources.
They could afford it were this 2019 and they had a new TV deal in place. They don't and there's no guaranty they will. I'd still bet they get a few billion for the broadcast / streaming rights, but 4 years is an eternity in this media environment.
Are you spelling guarantee like that to be different or is that a real thing?
It's a banking/finance thing. But Chuck never misses an opportunity to Chuck.
Yeah, I don't get "guarantee." It's not "warrantee." I do use guaranty and guarantee interchangeablee.
But they're not interchangeable. Guaranty is a very specific contract/covenant to pay a debt in the case of the debtor not being able to pay, where guarantee is a pledge or contract to perform as stated, including paying a debt.
Guarantee can also be used as a verb. I don't believe guaranty is.
Forget it, Merriam-Webster says they can be used interchangeably. Chuck is right. Broken clocks and all that?
Mike Olt and Kris Bryant can be used interchangeably, too. But if using one of them rustles so many jimmies, why not use the perfectly non-jimmie-rustling alternative?
Octopodes is a technically correct plural for octopuses, but I don't use it because I'm not a common Chuck.
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I don't think acquiring Hamels (who makes sense because he's more than a rental, when by all accounts this team will be better going forward) and signing a FA pitcher this offseason are mutually exclusive.
They're not going to have Lester, Hamels AND another big-name FA pitcher. That'd be about $75-80 million a year tied up for three pitchers.
Why not if they can afford it (and they absolutely can)? Isn't that the whole point of amassing an army of cost-controlled talent everywhere else on the roster?
"Can" afford it and "willing to pay" are totally different. Even with a $200 million payroll (which is double their current payroll), that's still a pretty unbalanced use of resources.
They could afford it were this 2019 and they had a new TV deal in place. They don't and there's no guaranty they will. I'd still bet they get a few billion for the broadcast / streaming rights, but 4 years is an eternity in this media environment.
Are you spelling guarantee like that to be different or is that a real thing?
It's a banking/finance thing. But Chuck never misses an opportunity to Chuck.
Yeah, I don't get "guarantee." It's not "warrantee." I do use guaranty and guarantee interchangeablee.
But they're not interchangeable. Guaranty is a very specific contract/covenant to pay a debt in the case of the debtor not being able to pay, where guarantee is a pledge or contract to perform as stated, including paying a debt.
Guarantee can also be used as a verb. I don't believe guaranty is.
Forget it, Merriam-Webster says they can be used interchangeably. Chuck is right. Broken clocks and all that?
Mike Olt and Kris Bryant can be used interchangeably, too. But if using one of them rustles so many jimmies, why not use the perfectly non-jimmie-rustling alternative?
Octopodes is a technically correct plural for octopuses, but I don't use it because I'm not a common Chuck.
I almost always use "guaranty" when I'm talking singular because you have to use "guarantees" when going with the plural.
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I don't think acquiring Hamels (who makes sense because he's more than a rental, when by all accounts this team will be better going forward) and signing a FA pitcher this offseason are mutually exclusive.
They're not going to have Lester, Hamels AND another big-name FA pitcher. That'd be about $75-80 million a year tied up for three pitchers.
Why not if they can afford it (and they absolutely can)? Isn't that the whole point of amassing an army of cost-controlled talent everywhere else on the roster?
"Can" afford it and "willing to pay" are totally different. Even with a $200 million payroll (which is double their current payroll), that's still a pretty unbalanced use of resources.
They could afford it were this 2019 and they had a new TV deal in place. They don't and there's no guaranty they will. I'd still bet they get a few billion for the broadcast / streaming rights, but 4 years is an eternity in this media environment.
Are you spelling guarantee like that to be different or is that a real thing?
It's a banking/finance thing. But Chuck never misses an opportunity to Chuck.
Yeah, I don't get "guarantee." It's not "warrantee." I do use guaranty and guarantee interchangeablee.
But they're not interchangeable. Guaranty is a very specific contract/covenant to pay a debt in the case of the debtor not being able to pay, where guarantee is a pledge or contract to perform as stated, including paying a debt.
Guarantee can also be used as a verb. I don't believe guaranty is.
Forget it, Merriam-Webster says they can be used interchangeably. Chuck is right. Broken clocks and all that?
Mike Olt and Kris Bryant can be used interchangeably, too. But if using one of them rustles so many jimmies, why not use the perfectly non-jimmie-rustling alternative?
Octopodes is a technically correct plural for octopuses, but I don't use it because I'm not a common Chuck.
I almost always use "guaranty" when I'm talking singular because you have to use "guarantees" when going with the plural.
Not "guaranties"?
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I don't think acquiring Hamels (who makes sense because he's more than a rental, when by all accounts this team will be better going forward) and signing a FA pitcher this offseason are mutually exclusive.
They're not going to have Lester, Hamels AND another big-name FA pitcher. That'd be about $75-80 million a year tied up for three pitchers.
Why not if they can afford it (and they absolutely can)? Isn't that the whole point of amassing an army of cost-controlled talent everywhere else on the roster?
"Can" afford it and "willing to pay" are totally different. Even with a $200 million payroll (which is double their current payroll), that's still a pretty unbalanced use of resources.
They could afford it were this 2019 and they had a new TV deal in place. They don't and there's no guaranty they will. I'd still bet they get a few billion for the broadcast / streaming rights, but 4 years is an eternity in this media environment.
Are you spelling guarantee like that to be different or is that a real thing?
It's a banking/finance thing. But Chuck never misses an opportunity to Chuck.
Yeah, I don't get "guarantee." It's not "warrantee." I do use guaranty and guarantee interchangeablee.
But they're not interchangeable. Guaranty is a very specific contract/covenant to pay a debt in the case of the debtor not being able to pay, where guarantee is a pledge or contract to perform as stated, including paying a debt.
Guarantee can also be used as a verb. I don't believe guaranty is.
Forget it, Merriam-Webster says they can be used interchangeably. Chuck is right. Broken clocks and all that?
Mike Olt and Kris Bryant can be used interchangeably, too. But if using one of them rustles so many jimmies, why not use the perfectly non-jimmie-rustling alternative?
Octopodes is a technically correct plural for octopuses, but I don't use it because I'm not a common Chuck.
I almost always use "guaranty" when I'm talking singular because you have to use "guarantees" when going with the plural.
Not "guaranties"?
Guarantodes
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I don't think acquiring Hamels (who makes sense because he's more than a rental, when by all accounts this team will be better going forward) and signing a FA pitcher this offseason are mutually exclusive.
They're not going to have Lester, Hamels AND another big-name FA pitcher. That'd be about $75-80 million a year tied up for three pitchers.
Why not if they can afford it (and they absolutely can)? Isn't that the whole point of amassing an army of cost-controlled talent everywhere else on the roster?
"Can" afford it and "willing to pay" are totally different. Even with a $200 million payroll (which is double their current payroll), that's still a pretty unbalanced use of resources.
They could afford it were this 2019 and they had a new TV deal in place. They don't and there's no guaranty they will. I'd still bet they get a few billion for the broadcast / streaming rights, but 4 years is an eternity in this media environment.
Are you spelling guarantee like that to be different or is that a real thing?
It's a banking/finance thing. But Chuck never misses an opportunity to Chuck.
Yeah, I don't get "guarantee." It's not "warrantee." I do use guaranty and guarantee interchangeablee.
But they're not interchangeable. Guaranty is a very specific contract/covenant to pay a debt in the case of the debtor not being able to pay, where guarantee is a pledge or contract to perform as stated, including paying a debt.
Guarantee can also be used as a verb. I don't believe guaranty is.
Forget it, Merriam-Webster says they can be used interchangeably. Chuck is right. Broken clocks and all that?
Mike Olt and Kris Bryant can be used interchangeably, too. But if using one of them rustles so many jimmies, why not use the perfectly non-jimmie-rustling alternative?
Octopodes is a technically correct plural for octopuses, but I don't use it because I'm not a common Chuck.
I almost always use "guaranty" when I'm talking singular because you have to use "guarantees" when going with the plural.
Not "guaranties"?
I never see it that way in the loan docs. Sometimes in boiler plate docs it's "Guarantor(s)," but that refers to the individuals, not the documentation.
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I don't think acquiring Hamels (who makes sense because he's more than a rental, when by all accounts this team will be better going forward) and signing a FA pitcher this offseason are mutually exclusive.
They're not going to have Lester, Hamels AND another big-name FA pitcher. That'd be about $75-80 million a year tied up for three pitchers.
Why not if they can afford it (and they absolutely can)? Isn't that the whole point of amassing an army of cost-controlled talent everywhere else on the roster?
"Can" afford it and "willing to pay" are totally different. Even with a $200 million payroll (which is double their current payroll), that's still a pretty unbalanced use of resources.
They could afford it were this 2019 and they had a new TV deal in place. They don't and there's no guaranty they will. I'd still bet they get a few billion for the broadcast / streaming rights, but 4 years is an eternity in this media environment.
Are you spelling guarantee like that to be different or is that a real thing?
It's a banking/finance thing. But Chuck never misses an opportunity to Chuck.
Yeah, I don't get "guarantee." It's not "warrantee." I do use guaranty and guarantee interchangeablee.
But they're not interchangeable. Guaranty is a very specific contract/covenant to pay a debt in the case of the debtor not being able to pay, where guarantee is a pledge or contract to perform as stated, including paying a debt.
Guarantee can also be used as a verb. I don't believe guaranty is.
Forget it, Merriam-Webster says they can be used interchangeably. Chuck is right. Broken clocks and all that?
Mike Olt and Kris Bryant can be used interchangeably, too. But if using one of them rustles so many jimmies, why not use the perfectly non-jimmie-rustling alternative?
Octopodes is a technically correct plural for octopuses, but I don't use it because I'm not a common Chuck.
I almost always use "guaranty" when I'm talking singular because you have to use "guarantees" when going with the plural.
Not "guaranties"?
I never see it that way in the loan docs. Sometimes in boiler plate docs it's "Guarantor(s)," but that refers to the individuals, not the documentation.
This is less fun than first year Contracts, which was my least favorite course.
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I don't think acquiring Hamels (who makes sense because he's more than a rental, when by all accounts this team will be better going forward) and signing a FA pitcher this offseason are mutually exclusive.
They're not going to have Lester, Hamels AND another big-name FA pitcher. That'd be about $75-80 million a year tied up for three pitchers.
Why not if they can afford it (and they absolutely can)? Isn't that the whole point of amassing an army of cost-controlled talent everywhere else on the roster?
"Can" afford it and "willing to pay" are totally different. Even with a $200 million payroll (which is double their current payroll), that's still a pretty unbalanced use of resources.
They could afford it were this 2019 and they had a new TV deal in place. They don't and there's no guaranty they will. I'd still bet they get a few billion for the broadcast / streaming rights, but 4 years is an eternity in this media environment.
Are you spelling guarantee like that to be different or is that a real thing?
It's a banking/finance thing. But Chuck never misses an opportunity to Chuck.
Yeah, I don't get "guarantee." It's not "warrantee." I do use guaranty and guarantee interchangeablee.
But they're not interchangeable. Guaranty is a very specific contract/covenant to pay a debt in the case of the debtor not being able to pay, where guarantee is a pledge or contract to perform as stated, including paying a debt.
Guarantee can also be used as a verb. I don't believe guaranty is.
Forget it, Merriam-Webster says they can be used interchangeably. Chuck is right. Broken clocks and all that?
Mike Olt and Kris Bryant can be used interchangeably, too. But if using one of them rustles so many jimmies, why not use the perfectly non-jimmie-rustling alternative?
Octopodes is a technically correct plural for octopuses, but I don't use it because I'm not a common Chuck.
I almost always use "guaranty" when I'm talking singular because you have to use "guarantees" when going with the plural.
Not "guaranties"?
Guarantodes
Guarabanzo beanz
Guarantee void in Tennessee
Nuke this fucking thread hard.
Quote from: InternetApex on June 30, 2015, 03:13:37 PM
Nuke this fucking thread hard.
Seriously. The most active discussion today has been about how to spell guaranty.
When I saw CT jumped in I thought for sure he was going to dull it down even further by adding "surety" (suretee?) to the conversation. He spared us.
First pitch can't come soon enough tonight.
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Quote from: InternetApex on June 30, 2015, 03:13:37 PM
Nuke this fucking thread hard.
Seriously. The most active discussion today has been about how to spell guaranty.
When I saw CT jumped in I thought for sure he was going to dull it down even further by adding "surety" (suretee?) to the conversation. He spared us.
First pitch can't come soon enough tonight.
Surety you can't be serious.
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First pitch can't come soon enough tonight.
I dunno. Have you seen tonight's lineup?
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Quote from: PANK! on June 30, 2015, 03:16:46 PM
First pitch can't come soon enough tonight.
I dunno. Have you seen tonight's lineup?
cf Fowler
1b Rizzo
3b Bryant
ss Castro
rf Denorfia
lf Szczur
c Ross
p Hendricks
2b Russell
Ok, that's ... not optimal.
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First pitch can't come soon enough tonight.
I dunno. Have you seen tonight's lineup?
cf Fowler
1b Rizzo
3b Bryant
ss Castro
rf Denorfia
lf Szczur
c Ross
p Hendricks
2b Russell
Ok, that's ... not optimal.
Jesus Christ, Soler, get the fuck back NOW.
The Padres are 5 games under 500. I would not object to Justin Upton in LF for The Cubs.
Quote from: Oleg on July 01, 2015, 09:42:34 AM
The Padres are 5 games under 500. I would not object to Justin Upton in LF for The Cubs.
Weren't the Cubs explicitly on his No Thanks list?
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Quote from: Oleg on July 01, 2015, 09:42:34 AM
The Padres are 5 games under 500. I would not object to Justin Upton in LF for The Cubs.
Weren't the Cubs explicitly on his No Thanks list?
I don't know. But can't his brother just tell him how awesome Maddon is?
[tinfoil hat]I've been wondering lately if the Cubs actually prefer to trade Schwarber. They're really heavily beating the "he can catch" drum in public, which has been unsubstantiated by basically any other scout who's seen him catch. It seems like a somewhat thinly-veiled attempt to boost his value. And the short-term call-up could have also been a bit of a showcase for him.
Given the rest of the Cubs' roster makeup, he's blocked pretty much everywhere (even at catcher in 2016). There are other players who could be better all-around corner OF options (McKinney might be ready next year) soon. I'm just really struggling to see a fit for him unless they carry three catchers, but that seems like a waste to have a bat like Schwarber only starting some of the time. And they've said he isn't ready to catch in the bigs now, but is another 30-40 games and 6 months going to make that huge of a difference to where he'll suddenly be ready? It seems kind of inconsistent.
I don't think they'll ship him off for just anyone and I'm sure they'll find a way to fit him into things if they don't trade him. But given that he doesn't have a clear path to playing time, I wonder if he's most valuable to the Cubs as a trade piece. [/tinfoil hat]
Quote from: Eli on July 01, 2015, 10:24:37 AM
[tinfoil hat]I've been wondering lately if the Cubs actually prefer to trade Schwarber. They're really heavily beating the "he can catch" drum in public, which has been unsubstantiated by basically any other scout who's seen him catch. It seems like a somewhat thinly-veiled attempt to boost his value. And the short-term call-up could have also been a bit of a showcase for him.
Given the rest of the Cubs' roster makeup, he's blocked pretty much everywhere (even at catcher in 2016). There are other players who could be better all-around corner OF options (McKinney might be ready next year) soon. I'm just really struggling to see a fit for him unless they carry three catchers, but that seems like a waste to have a bat like Schwarber only starting some of the time. And they've said he isn't ready to catch in the bigs now, but is another 30-40 games and 6 months going to make that huge of a difference to where he'll suddenly be ready? It seems kind of inconsistent.
I don't think they'll ship him off for just anyone and I'm sure they'll find a way to fit him into things if they don't trade him. But given that he doesn't have a clear path to playing time, I wonder if he's most valuable to the Cubs as a trade piece. [/tinfoil hat]
It's not that far off of a notion.
Didn't you hear? The Cubs want to trade Rizzo!
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Quote from: Eli on July 01, 2015, 10:24:37 AM
[tinfoil hat]I've been wondering lately if the Cubs actually prefer to trade Schwarber. They're really heavily beating the "he can catch" drum in public, which has been unsubstantiated by basically any other scout who's seen him catch. It seems like a somewhat thinly-veiled attempt to boost his value. And the short-term call-up could have also been a bit of a showcase for him.
Given the rest of the Cubs' roster makeup, he's blocked pretty much everywhere (even at catcher in 2016). There are other players who could be better all-around corner OF options (McKinney might be ready next year) soon. I'm just really struggling to see a fit for him unless they carry three catchers, but that seems like a waste to have a bat like Schwarber only starting some of the time. And they've said he isn't ready to catch in the bigs now, but is another 30-40 games and 6 months going to make that huge of a difference to where he'll suddenly be ready? It seems kind of inconsistent.
I don't think they'll ship him off for just anyone and I'm sure they'll find a way to fit him into things if they don't trade him. But given that he doesn't have a clear path to playing time, I wonder if he's most valuable to the Cubs as a trade piece. [/tinfoil hat]
It's not that far off of a notion.
No it's not. Also don't we know they already had plans to trade Baez before he got hurt?
I don't think they'd shy away from trading anyone who hasn't made an impact at the major league level. And they'd probably even trade some of those guys, too.
I can't wait for Theo's first Holy Shit trade involving one of Our Boys.
Quote from: Slaky on July 01, 2015, 10:27:36 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 01, 2015, 10:26:04 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 01, 2015, 10:24:37 AM
[tinfoil hat]I've been wondering lately if the Cubs actually prefer to trade Schwarber. They're really heavily beating the "he can catch" drum in public, which has been unsubstantiated by basically any other scout who's seen him catch. It seems like a somewhat thinly-veiled attempt to boost his value. And the short-term call-up could have also been a bit of a showcase for him.
Given the rest of the Cubs' roster makeup, he's blocked pretty much everywhere (even at catcher in 2016). There are other players who could be better all-around corner OF options (McKinney might be ready next year) soon. I'm just really struggling to see a fit for him unless they carry three catchers, but that seems like a waste to have a bat like Schwarber only starting some of the time. And they've said he isn't ready to catch in the bigs now, but is another 30-40 games and 6 months going to make that huge of a difference to where he'll suddenly be ready? It seems kind of inconsistent.
I don't think they'll ship him off for just anyone and I'm sure they'll find a way to fit him into things if they don't trade him. But given that he doesn't have a clear path to playing time, I wonder if he's most valuable to the Cubs as a trade piece. [/tinfoil hat]
It's not that far off of a notion.
No it's not. Also don't we know they already had plans to trade Baez before he got hurt?
I don't think they'd shy away from trading anyone who hasn't made an impact at the major league level. And they'd probably even trade some of those guys, too.
I can't wait for Theo's first Holy Shit trade involving one of Our Boys.
I'm still recovering from Bowman's ballsy Holy Shit trade of Saad but yeah it'll be interesting no matter who it is.
Quote from: Eli on July 01, 2015, 10:24:37 AM
[tinfoil hat]I've been wondering lately if the Cubs actually prefer to trade Schwarber. They're really heavily beating the "he can catch" drum in public, which has been unsubstantiated by basically any other scout who's seen him catch. It seems like a somewhat thinly-veiled attempt to boost his value. And the short-term call-up could have also been a bit of a showcase for him.
Given the rest of the Cubs' roster makeup, he's blocked pretty much everywhere (even at catcher in 2016). There are other players who could be better all-around corner OF options (McKinney might be ready next year) soon. I'm just really struggling to see a fit for him unless they carry three catchers, but that seems like a waste to have a bat like Schwarber only starting some of the time. And they've said he isn't ready to catch in the bigs now, but is another 30-40 games and 6 months going to make that huge of a difference to where he'll suddenly be ready? It seems kind of inconsistent.
I don't think they'll ship him off for just anyone and I'm sure they'll find a way to fit him into things if they don't trade him. But given that he doesn't have a clear path to playing time, I wonder if he's most valuable to the Cubs as a trade piece. [/tinfoil hat]
The thing about Schwarber is maybe the Cubs do feel he can be a MLB catcher. And if he is proving he can, then I kind of believe the Cubs will happily find a home for either of the two catchers they have on the roster right now. The thing, though, is that I feel like Montero's and Ross's defense is more important than their offense, so I like Schwarber in LF only because...well...offense.
Not to mention the caveat that the Cubs would give up Schwarber for something very, very impactful. What do the Cubs want? Another bat in the outfield and starting pitching. I don't think the Cubs want to go big in renting a front line starter, unless they feel they can swap Schwarber for some front line pitcher that's team controlled.
I guess my point is that I think the Cubs figure Schwarber into the long term solution of this franchise and I'd be kind of shocked that they traded him. But the point about the Cubs maintaining their staunch position that he can catch when most people don't think he can holds merit to boosting his value.
Quote from: Slaky on July 01, 2015, 10:27:36 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 01, 2015, 10:26:04 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 01, 2015, 10:24:37 AM
[tinfoil hat]I've been wondering lately if the Cubs actually prefer to trade Schwarber. They're really heavily beating the "he can catch" drum in public, which has been unsubstantiated by basically any other scout who's seen him catch. It seems like a somewhat thinly-veiled attempt to boost his value. And the short-term call-up could have also been a bit of a showcase for him.
Given the rest of the Cubs' roster makeup, he's blocked pretty much everywhere (even at catcher in 2016). There are other players who could be better all-around corner OF options (McKinney might be ready next year) soon. I'm just really struggling to see a fit for him unless they carry three catchers, but that seems like a waste to have a bat like Schwarber only starting some of the time. And they've said he isn't ready to catch in the bigs now, but is another 30-40 games and 6 months going to make that huge of a difference to where he'll suddenly be ready? It seems kind of inconsistent.
I don't think they'll ship him off for just anyone and I'm sure they'll find a way to fit him into things if they don't trade him. But given that he doesn't have a clear path to playing time, I wonder if he's most valuable to the Cubs as a trade piece. [/tinfoil hat]
It's not that far off of a notion.
No it's not. Also don't we know they already had plans to trade Baez before he got hurt?
I don't think they'd shy away from trading anyone who hasn't made an impact at the major league level. And they'd probably even trade some of those guys, too.
I can't wait for Theo's first Holy Shit trade involving one of Our Boys.
It should be amusing for the crowd that normally balks at any thing even hinting at criticism of The Plan when they get mad at Theo for trading away one of their overvalued prospects. Shit, I've had arguments with people this year who thought Dan Vogelbach was too much to give up for rental like Scott Kazmir. A Schwarber trade should blow people's minds.
I'm usually not one to just default to blind trust either but if Theo trades Schwarber I'm going to be pretty confident that it's because he knows better than anyone that the dude isn't going to stick at catcher. He'd probably need to hit at an absurd level to stick in left field and overcome his defense there, too. That actually does leave his likely future at first base as Rob Neyer suggested, but obviously unlike in that idiot's fantasy land in the real world Rizzo's going nowhere.
Either way I am really doubting they sit tight this month. Something awesome is coming and I can't wait.
Quote from: SKO on July 01, 2015, 10:49:29 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 01, 2015, 10:27:36 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 01, 2015, 10:26:04 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 01, 2015, 10:24:37 AM
[tinfoil hat]I've been wondering lately if the Cubs actually prefer to trade Schwarber. They're really heavily beating the "he can catch" drum in public, which has been unsubstantiated by basically any other scout who's seen him catch. It seems like a somewhat thinly-veiled attempt to boost his value. And the short-term call-up could have also been a bit of a showcase for him.
Given the rest of the Cubs' roster makeup, he's blocked pretty much everywhere (even at catcher in 2016). There are other players who could be better all-around corner OF options (McKinney might be ready next year) soon. I'm just really struggling to see a fit for him unless they carry three catchers, but that seems like a waste to have a bat like Schwarber only starting some of the time. And they've said he isn't ready to catch in the bigs now, but is another 30-40 games and 6 months going to make that huge of a difference to where he'll suddenly be ready? It seems kind of inconsistent.
I don't think they'll ship him off for just anyone and I'm sure they'll find a way to fit him into things if they don't trade him. But given that he doesn't have a clear path to playing time, I wonder if he's most valuable to the Cubs as a trade piece. [/tinfoil hat]
It's not that far off of a notion.
No it's not. Also don't we know they already had plans to trade Baez before he got hurt?
I don't think they'd shy away from trading anyone who hasn't made an impact at the major league level. And they'd probably even trade some of those guys, too.
I can't wait for Theo's first Holy Shit trade involving one of Our Boys.
It should be amusing for the crowd that normally balks at any thing even hinting at criticism of The Plan when they get mad at Theo for trading away one of their overvalued prospects. Shit, I've had arguments with people this year who thought Dan Vogelbach was too much to give up for rental like Scott Kazmir. A Schwarber trade should blow people's minds.
I'm usually not one to just default to blind trust either but if Theo trades Schwarber I'm going to be pretty confident that it's because he knows better than anyone that the dude isn't going to stick at catcher. He'd probably need to hit at an absurd level to stick in left field and overcome his defense there, too. That actually does leave his likely future at first base as Rob Neyer suggested, but obviously unlike in that idiot's fantasy land in the real world Rizzo's going nowhere.
Either way I am really doubting they sit tight this month. Something awesome is coming and I can't wait.
Keep tilting at those windmills, Don SKOxote.
Quote from: PANK! on July 01, 2015, 10:58:18 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 01, 2015, 10:49:29 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 01, 2015, 10:27:36 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 01, 2015, 10:26:04 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 01, 2015, 10:24:37 AM
[tinfoil hat]I've been wondering lately if the Cubs actually prefer to trade Schwarber. They're really heavily beating the "he can catch" drum in public, which has been unsubstantiated by basically any other scout who's seen him catch. It seems like a somewhat thinly-veiled attempt to boost his value. And the short-term call-up could have also been a bit of a showcase for him.
Given the rest of the Cubs' roster makeup, he's blocked pretty much everywhere (even at catcher in 2016). There are other players who could be better all-around corner OF options (McKinney might be ready next year) soon. I'm just really struggling to see a fit for him unless they carry three catchers, but that seems like a waste to have a bat like Schwarber only starting some of the time. And they've said he isn't ready to catch in the bigs now, but is another 30-40 games and 6 months going to make that huge of a difference to where he'll suddenly be ready? It seems kind of inconsistent.
I don't think they'll ship him off for just anyone and I'm sure they'll find a way to fit him into things if they don't trade him. But given that he doesn't have a clear path to playing time, I wonder if he's most valuable to the Cubs as a trade piece. [/tinfoil hat]
It's not that far off of a notion.
No it's not. Also don't we know they already had plans to trade Baez before he got hurt?
I don't think they'd shy away from trading anyone who hasn't made an impact at the major league level. And they'd probably even trade some of those guys, too.
I can't wait for Theo's first Holy Shit trade involving one of Our Boys.
It should be amusing for the crowd that normally balks at any thing even hinting at criticism of The Plan when they get mad at Theo for trading away one of their overvalued prospects. Shit, I've had arguments with people this year who thought Dan Vogelbach was too much to give up for rental like Scott Kazmir. A Schwarber trade should blow people's minds.
I'm usually not one to just default to blind trust either but if Theo trades Schwarber I'm going to be pretty confident that it's because he knows better than anyone that the dude isn't going to stick at catcher. He'd probably need to hit at an absurd level to stick in left field and overcome his defense there, too. That actually does leave his likely future at first base as Rob Neyer suggested, but obviously unlike in that idiot's fantasy land in the real world Rizzo's going nowhere.
Either way I am really doubting they sit tight this month. Something awesome is coming and I can't wait.
Keep tilting at those windmills, Don SKOxote.
I actually wasn't referring to anywhere here. But as Eli can tell you just propose trading Scwharber or something on twitter and see what happens. Most fanbases overvalue their own prospects, I just think Cubs fans (and with good reason given the early returns on Bryant/Soler/Russell) have started to think every guy they currently have in the system is too valuable to trade for "just" a rental.
I mean when Steve Philips propsed that impossible Schwarber-Hamels trade there were Cubs fan honestly opposed to that, which is hilarious.
Quote from: SKO on July 01, 2015, 10:49:29 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 01, 2015, 10:27:36 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 01, 2015, 10:26:04 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 01, 2015, 10:24:37 AM
[tinfoil hat]I've been wondering lately if the Cubs actually prefer to trade Schwarber. They're really heavily beating the "he can catch" drum in public, which has been unsubstantiated by basically any other scout who's seen him catch. It seems like a somewhat thinly-veiled attempt to boost his value. And the short-term call-up could have also been a bit of a showcase for him.
Given the rest of the Cubs' roster makeup, he's blocked pretty much everywhere (even at catcher in 2016). There are other players who could be better all-around corner OF options (McKinney might be ready next year) soon. I'm just really struggling to see a fit for him unless they carry three catchers, but that seems like a waste to have a bat like Schwarber only starting some of the time. And they've said he isn't ready to catch in the bigs now, but is another 30-40 games and 6 months going to make that huge of a difference to where he'll suddenly be ready? It seems kind of inconsistent.
I don't think they'll ship him off for just anyone and I'm sure they'll find a way to fit him into things if they don't trade him. But given that he doesn't have a clear path to playing time, I wonder if he's most valuable to the Cubs as a trade piece. [/tinfoil hat]
It's not that far off of a notion.
No it's not. Also don't we know they already had plans to trade Baez before he got hurt?
I don't think they'd shy away from trading anyone who hasn't made an impact at the major league level. And they'd probably even trade some of those guys, too.
I can't wait for Theo's first Holy Shit trade involving one of Our Boys.
It should be amusing for the crowd that normally balks at any thing even hinting at criticism of The Plan when they get mad at Theo for trading away one of their overvalued prospects. Shit, I've had arguments with people this year who thought Dan Vogelbach was too much to give up for rental like Scott Kazmir. A Schwarber trade should blow people's minds.
I'm usually not one to just default to blind trust either but if Theo trades Schwarber I'm going to be pretty confident that it's because he knows better than anyone that the dude isn't going to stick at catcher. He'd probably need to hit at an absurd level to stick in left field and overcome his defense there, too. That actually does leave his likely future at first base as Rob Neyer suggested, but obviously unlike in that idiot's fantasy land in the real world Rizzo's going nowhere.
Either way I am really doubting they sit tight this month. Something awesome is coming and I can't wait.
I'll die inside because I'm totes a "Don't knock the plan/Theo" guy. I'll be mad and worry about what they gave up, but when Chris Sale is dominating the Tards for the Cubes, I'll settle down
Quote from: Yeti on July 01, 2015, 11:09:55 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 01, 2015, 10:49:29 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 01, 2015, 10:27:36 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 01, 2015, 10:26:04 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 01, 2015, 10:24:37 AM
[tinfoil hat]I've been wondering lately if the Cubs actually prefer to trade Schwarber. They're really heavily beating the "he can catch" drum in public, which has been unsubstantiated by basically any other scout who's seen him catch. It seems like a somewhat thinly-veiled attempt to boost his value. And the short-term call-up could have also been a bit of a showcase for him.
Given the rest of the Cubs' roster makeup, he's blocked pretty much everywhere (even at catcher in 2016). There are other players who could be better all-around corner OF options (McKinney might be ready next year) soon. I'm just really struggling to see a fit for him unless they carry three catchers, but that seems like a waste to have a bat like Schwarber only starting some of the time. And they've said he isn't ready to catch in the bigs now, but is another 30-40 games and 6 months going to make that huge of a difference to where he'll suddenly be ready? It seems kind of inconsistent.
I don't think they'll ship him off for just anyone and I'm sure they'll find a way to fit him into things if they don't trade him. But given that he doesn't have a clear path to playing time, I wonder if he's most valuable to the Cubs as a trade piece. [/tinfoil hat]
It's not that far off of a notion.
No it's not. Also don't we know they already had plans to trade Baez before he got hurt?
I don't think they'd shy away from trading anyone who hasn't made an impact at the major league level. And they'd probably even trade some of those guys, too.
I can't wait for Theo's first Holy Shit trade involving one of Our Boys.
It should be amusing for the crowd that normally balks at any thing even hinting at criticism of The Plan when they get mad at Theo for trading away one of their overvalued prospects. Shit, I've had arguments with people this year who thought Dan Vogelbach was too much to give up for rental like Scott Kazmir. A Schwarber trade should blow people's minds.
I'm usually not one to just default to blind trust either but if Theo trades Schwarber I'm going to be pretty confident that it's because he knows better than anyone that the dude isn't going to stick at catcher. He'd probably need to hit at an absurd level to stick in left field and overcome his defense there, too. That actually does leave his likely future at first base as Rob Neyer suggested, but obviously unlike in that idiot's fantasy land in the real world Rizzo's going nowhere.
Either way I am really doubting they sit tight this month. Something awesome is coming and I can't wait.
I'll die inside because I'm totes a "Don't knock the plan/Theo" guy. I'll be mad and worry about what they gave up, but when Chris Sale is dominating the Tards for the Cubes, I'll settle down
I'm a "don't knock the plan/theo guy" but at some point I assume "the plan" includes flipping assets for veteran pitching, among other things, and there are lots of people on Cubs twitter who can't seem to accept that transition is coming.
Quote from: Slaky on July 01, 2015, 09:47:47 AM
Quote from: Oleg on July 01, 2015, 09:42:34 AM
The Padres are 5 games under 500. I would not object to Justin Upton in LF for The Cubs.
Weren't the Cubs explicitly on his No Thanks list?
I wonder if this is still true given how things have changed. I don't blame Upton for not trusting the Cubs rebuild two years ago, but maybe he's seen that things are obviously headed in the right direction?
Then again I heard he also had Boston on there so maybe he just doesn't want to play in front of really annoying fanbases.
If he'd be willing to accept the trade I wonder what it would cost to get him. Padres can't have that much leverage with him headed towards free agency anyway.
Quote from: SKO on July 01, 2015, 11:19:11 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 01, 2015, 09:47:47 AM
Quote from: Oleg on July 01, 2015, 09:42:34 AM
The Padres are 5 games under 500. I would not object to Justin Upton in LF for The Cubs.
Weren't the Cubs explicitly on his No Thanks list?
I wonder if this is still true given how things have changed. I don't blame Upton for not trusting the Cubs rebuild two years ago, but maybe he's seen that things are obviously headed in the right direction?
Then again I heard he also had Boston on there so maybe he just doesn't want to play in front of really annoying fanbases.
If he'd be willing to accept the trade I wonder what it would cost to get him. Padres can't have that much leverage with him headed towards free agency anyway.
If you're a player who hates fan bases, San Diego is perfect they don't have any.
Quote from: SKO on July 01, 2015, 11:19:11 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 01, 2015, 09:47:47 AM
Quote from: Oleg on July 01, 2015, 09:42:34 AM
The Padres are 5 games under 500. I would not object to Justin Upton in LF for The Cubs.
Weren't the Cubs explicitly on his No Thanks list?
I wonder if this is still true given how things have changed. I don't blame Upton for not trusting the Cubs rebuild two years ago, but maybe he's seen that things are obviously headed in the right direction?
Then again I heard he also had Boston on there so maybe he just doesn't want to play in front of really annoying fanbases.
If he'd be willing to accept the trade I wonder what it would cost to get him. Padres can't have that much leverage with him headed towards free agency anyway.
I think part of the reason players put big market teams on their no trade lists is to gain leverage. Whether to pick up an option ahead of time or signing an extension or whatnot. That's a school of thought, anyway.
Quote from: Oleg on July 01, 2015, 12:19:24 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 01, 2015, 11:19:11 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 01, 2015, 09:47:47 AM
Quote from: Oleg on July 01, 2015, 09:42:34 AM
The Padres are 5 games under 500. I would not object to Justin Upton in LF for The Cubs.
Weren't the Cubs explicitly on his No Thanks list?
I wonder if this is still true given how things have changed. I don't blame Upton for not trusting the Cubs rebuild two years ago, but maybe he's seen that things are obviously headed in the right direction?
Then again I heard he also had Boston on there so maybe he just doesn't want to play in front of really annoying fanbases.
If he'd be willing to accept the trade I wonder what it would cost to get him. Padres can't have that much leverage with him headed towards free agency anyway.
I think part of the reason players put big market teams on their no trade lists is to gain leverage. Whether to pick up an option ahead of time or signing an extension or whatnot. That's a school of thought, anyway.
Upton will be, what, 28 next year? You could convince me that he's worth paying. Course that would pretty much require Bryant to stick at 3B and there are still doubts there. Either way one consistent veteran power bat in the middle of that lineup could really jumpstart things, kinda like when the Nats signed Werth.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 01, 2015, 10:41:28 AM
The thing about Schwarber is maybe the Cubs do feel he can be a MLB catcher.
They very well might. There have just been some inconsistencies -- they keep saying he can catch, which means he must've shown some strong signs. But then they basically said he's currently unrosterable anywhere besides DH during his call-up. That seems like a pretty wide gulf to cover between now and next season.
And just from looking at the guy, how many guys with his body type (yes, BMI alert) either hold up at catcher or can play a competent left field for more than maybe a few years? He needs to be a 1B long-term and that -- despite Rob Neyer's imagination -- isn't happening with Rizzo there.
He very well could play an Evan Gattis type of role for a few years but I think he's going to struggle to outhit his other liabilities as he ages into his mid-late 20s. Again, unless he's at 1B or DH.
The good news is the front office will figure it out. He'll either have a real role here or bring back something awesome in a trade. I'm still strongly leaning towards a "holy shit" trade from this front office sometime between now and January.
Quote from: Eli on July 01, 2015, 12:56:16 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 01, 2015, 10:41:28 AM
The thing about Schwarber is maybe the Cubs do feel he can be a MLB catcher.
They very well might. There have just been some inconsistencies -- they keep saying he can catch, which means he must've shown some strong signs. But then they basically said he's currently unrosterable anywhere besides DH during his call-up. That seems like a pretty wide gulf to cover between now and next season.
And just from looking at the guy, how many guys with his body type (yes, BMI alert) either hold up at catcher or can play a competent left field for more than maybe a few years? He needs to be a 1B long-term and that -- despite Rob Neyer's imagination -- isn't happening with Rizzo there.
He very well could play an Evan Gattis type of role for a few years but I think he's going to struggle to outhit his other liabilities as he ages into his mid-late 20s. Again, unless he's at 1B or DH.
The good news is the front office will figure it out. He'll either have a real role here or bring back something awesome in a trade. I'm still strongly leaning towards a "holy shit" trade from this front office sometime between now and January.
Makes sense since Hoyer engineered Hanley Ramirez, Jesus Delgado, Harvey Garcia and Anibal Sanchez for Josh Beckett, Mike Lowell and Guillermo Mota. Then Epstein and Hoyer tag teamed Reymond Fuentes, Casey Kelly, Eric Patterson and Anthony Rizzo for Adrian Gonzalez.
Good point, Chuck. Theo has made trades before.
Quote from: Eli on July 01, 2015, 12:56:16 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 01, 2015, 10:41:28 AM
The thing about Schwarber is maybe the Cubs do feel he can be a MLB catcher.
They very well might. There have just been some inconsistencies -- they keep saying he can catch, which means he must've shown some strong signs. But then they basically said he's currently unrosterable anywhere besides DH during his call-up. That seems like a pretty wide gulf to cover between now and next season.
And just from looking at the guy, how many guys with his body type (yes, BMI alert) either hold up at catcher or can play a competent left field for more than maybe a few years? He needs to be a 1B long-term and that -- despite Rob Neyer's imagination -- isn't happening with Rizzo there.
He very well could play an Evan Gattis type of role for a few years but I think he's going to struggle to outhit his other liabilities as he ages into his mid-late 20s. Again, unless he's at 1B or DH.
The good news is the front office will figure it out. He'll either have a real role here or bring back something awesome in a trade. I'm still strongly leaning towards a "holy shit" trade from this front office sometime between now and January.
This is what I keep thinking. The Cubs front office can't be so dumb they don't consider that if they value him so highly. If he's the hitter we all think he is, nobody would keep him at catcher. At his size it's going to be murder on his legs. I really wish we knew if he could play LF at an Adam Dunn level at least. I guess anybody could right?
Quote from: InternetApex on July 01, 2015, 02:18:43 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 01, 2015, 12:56:16 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 01, 2015, 10:41:28 AM
The thing about Schwarber is maybe the Cubs do feel he can be a MLB catcher.
They very well might. There have just been some inconsistencies -- they keep saying he can catch, which means he must've shown some strong signs. But then they basically said he's currently unrosterable anywhere besides DH during his call-up. That seems like a pretty wide gulf to cover between now and next season.
And just from looking at the guy, how many guys with his body type (yes, BMI alert) either hold up at catcher or can play a competent left field for more than maybe a few years? He needs to be a 1B long-term and that -- despite Rob Neyer's imagination -- isn't happening with Rizzo there.
He very well could play an Evan Gattis type of role for a few years but I think he's going to struggle to outhit his other liabilities as he ages into his mid-late 20s. Again, unless he's at 1B or DH.
The good news is the front office will figure it out. He'll either have a real role here or bring back something awesome in a trade. I'm still strongly leaning towards a "holy shit" trade from this front office sometime between now and January.
This is what I keep thinking. The Cubs front office can't be so dumb they don't consider that if they value him so highly. If he's the hitter we all think he is, nobody would keep him at catcher. At his size it's going to be murder on his legs. I really wish we knew if he could play LF at an Adam Dunn level at least. I guess anybody could right?
But Adam Dunn's offense was neutralized most of his career by his abysmal defense in a lot of ways. If we had the understanding then that we have now of things like WAR he may have ended up as an AL only player far earlier in his career. The same may be true of Schwarber. If he could be a 4 or 5 win guy at first vs a 2 win guy as a butcher in left this front office might decide they can field a better team by trading Schwarber to get guys who can make you a stronger team overall, rather than hammering a square peg into a round hole because you like his bat.
Quote from: SKO on July 01, 2015, 02:22:42 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 01, 2015, 02:18:43 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 01, 2015, 12:56:16 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 01, 2015, 10:41:28 AM
The thing about Schwarber is maybe the Cubs do feel he can be a MLB catcher.
They very well might. There have just been some inconsistencies -- they keep saying he can catch, which means he must've shown some strong signs. But then they basically said he's currently unrosterable anywhere besides DH during his call-up. That seems like a pretty wide gulf to cover between now and next season.
And just from looking at the guy, how many guys with his body type (yes, BMI alert) either hold up at catcher or can play a competent left field for more than maybe a few years? He needs to be a 1B long-term and that -- despite Rob Neyer's imagination -- isn't happening with Rizzo there.
He very well could play an Evan Gattis type of role for a few years but I think he's going to struggle to outhit his other liabilities as he ages into his mid-late 20s. Again, unless he's at 1B or DH.
The good news is the front office will figure it out. He'll either have a real role here or bring back something awesome in a trade. I'm still strongly leaning towards a "holy shit" trade from this front office sometime between now and January.
This is what I keep thinking. The Cubs front office can't be so dumb they don't consider that if they value him so highly. If he's the hitter we all think he is, nobody would keep him at catcher. At his size it's going to be murder on his legs. I really wish we knew if he could play LF at an Adam Dunn level at least. I guess anybody could right?
But Adam Dunn's offense was neutralized most of his career by his abysmal defense in a lot of ways. If we had the understanding then that we have now of things like WAR he may have ended up as an AL only player far earlier in his career. The same may be true of Schwarber. If he could be a 4 or 5 win guy at first vs a 2 win guy as a butcher in left this front office might decide they can field a better team by trading Schwarber to get guys who can make you a stronger team overall, rather than hammering a square peg into a round hole because you like his bat.
I don't want to go so far to say he's a square peg in a round hole. I'm assuming you don't think he can even play LF adequately. I haven't seen him do it much, either, but I feel like I can gauge his athleticism a bit by just watching him run the bases. He's a big guy, but he's not a limited athlete...
Just looking at him, I don't get the feeling he can't do it...that's all I'm saying.
This goes back to talent accumulation, though. Maybe the Cubs just stockpile all these talented hitters and then figure out if they can keep them when they're ready or turn their investment into something they need. I'm not going to lie, I'm kind of hoping the Cubs keep Schwarber because I like his bat. But it's ready, so it leaves me wondering if there definitely is something afoot and why he's not in LF already in Chicago.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 01, 2015, 02:52:35 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 01, 2015, 02:22:42 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 01, 2015, 02:18:43 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 01, 2015, 12:56:16 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 01, 2015, 10:41:28 AM
The thing about Schwarber is maybe the Cubs do feel he can be a MLB catcher.
They very well might. There have just been some inconsistencies -- they keep saying he can catch, which means he must've shown some strong signs. But then they basically said he's currently unrosterable anywhere besides DH during his call-up. That seems like a pretty wide gulf to cover between now and next season.
And just from looking at the guy, how many guys with his body type (yes, BMI alert) either hold up at catcher or can play a competent left field for more than maybe a few years? He needs to be a 1B long-term and that -- despite Rob Neyer's imagination -- isn't happening with Rizzo there.
He very well could play an Evan Gattis type of role for a few years but I think he's going to struggle to outhit his other liabilities as he ages into his mid-late 20s. Again, unless he's at 1B or DH.
The good news is the front office will figure it out. He'll either have a real role here or bring back something awesome in a trade. I'm still strongly leaning towards a "holy shit" trade from this front office sometime between now and January.
This is what I keep thinking. The Cubs front office can't be so dumb they don't consider that if they value him so highly. If he's the hitter we all think he is, nobody would keep him at catcher. At his size it's going to be murder on his legs. I really wish we knew if he could play LF at an Adam Dunn level at least. I guess anybody could right?
But Adam Dunn's offense was neutralized most of his career by his abysmal defense in a lot of ways. If we had the understanding then that we have now of things like WAR he may have ended up as an AL only player far earlier in his career. The same may be true of Schwarber. If he could be a 4 or 5 win guy at first vs a 2 win guy as a butcher in left this front office might decide they can field a better team by trading Schwarber to get guys who can make you a stronger team overall, rather than hammering a square peg into a round hole because you like his bat.
I don't want to go so far to say he's a square peg in a round hole. I'm assuming you don't think he can even play LF adequately. I haven't seen him do it much, either, but I feel like I can gauge his athleticism a bit by just watching him run the bases. He's a big guy, but he's not a limited athlete...
Just looking at him, I don't get the feeling he can't do it...that's all I'm saying.
This goes back to talent accumulation, though. Maybe the Cubs just stockpile all these talented hitters and then figure out if they can keep them when they're ready or turn their investment into something they need. I'm not going to lie, I'm kind of hoping the Cubs keep Schwarber because I like his bat. But it's ready, so it leaves me wondering if there definitely is something afoot and why he's not in LF already in Chicago.
Well I was speaking hypothetically. Maybe he could be a pretty good outfielder before he slows down in a few years, I haven't read too many scouting reports about his ability in the OF, honestly. I was just answering Apex hypothetical of "if Adam Dunn can play OF so can Schwarber" or whatever. If he plays Adam Dunn level defense the best thing for him and the team may be to trade him.
I'm not exactly advocating trading him. Just saying that Theo's run through probably every possible projection of him as both a catcher and an outfielder and if he decides the team will win more ballgames by trading him for a pitcher and finding an actual outfielder or catcher I trust his judgment on that one.
I mean heck, maybe we're all underestimating how good McKinney can be. He may not hit for a ton of power and we'll miss the fat guy home runs, but maybe his bat/OBP skills and actual ability to play defense in LF would make him a better player to have than Schwarber anyway.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 01, 2015, 02:52:35 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 01, 2015, 02:22:42 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 01, 2015, 02:18:43 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 01, 2015, 12:56:16 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 01, 2015, 10:41:28 AM
The thing about Schwarber is maybe the Cubs do feel he can be a MLB catcher.
They very well might. There have just been some inconsistencies -- they keep saying he can catch, which means he must've shown some strong signs. But then they basically said he's currently unrosterable anywhere besides DH during his call-up. That seems like a pretty wide gulf to cover between now and next season.
And just from looking at the guy, how many guys with his body type (yes, BMI alert) either hold up at catcher or can play a competent left field for more than maybe a few years? He needs to be a 1B long-term and that -- despite Rob Neyer's imagination -- isn't happening with Rizzo there.
He very well could play an Evan Gattis type of role for a few years but I think he's going to struggle to outhit his other liabilities as he ages into his mid-late 20s. Again, unless he's at 1B or DH.
The good news is the front office will figure it out. He'll either have a real role here or bring back something awesome in a trade. I'm still strongly leaning towards a "holy shit" trade from this front office sometime between now and January.
This is what I keep thinking. The Cubs front office can't be so dumb they don't consider that if they value him so highly. If he's the hitter we all think he is, nobody would keep him at catcher. At his size it's going to be murder on his legs. I really wish we knew if he could play LF at an Adam Dunn level at least. I guess anybody could right?
But Adam Dunn's offense was neutralized most of his career by his abysmal defense in a lot of ways. If we had the understanding then that we have now of things like WAR he may have ended up as an AL only player far earlier in his career. The same may be true of Schwarber. If he could be a 4 or 5 win guy at first vs a 2 win guy as a butcher in left this front office might decide they can field a better team by trading Schwarber to get guys who can make you a stronger team overall, rather than hammering a square peg into a round hole because you like his bat.
I don't want to go so far to say he's a square peg in a round hole. I'm assuming you don't think he can even play LF adequately. I haven't seen him do it much, either, but I feel like I can gauge his athleticism a bit by just watching him run the bases. He's a big guy, but he's not a limited athlete...
Just looking at him, I don't get the feeling he can't do it...that's all I'm saying.
This goes back to talent accumulation, though. Maybe the Cubs just stockpile all these talented hitters and then figure out if they can keep them when they're ready or turn their investment into something they need. I'm not going to lie, I'm kind of hoping the Cubs keep Schwarber because I like his bat. But it's ready, so it leaves me wondering if there definitely is something afoot and why he's not in LF already in Chicago.
Theo was making the radio rounds saying he likes to get his players 1000-1500 MiLB PAs. Even Bryant got to 773 minor league PAs. Schwarber is at 584. That's about another 40 to 45 games to get the Bryant levels.
Quote from: SKO on July 01, 2015, 02:55:54 PM
I'm not exactly advocating trading him. Just saying that Theo's run through probably every possible projection of him as both a catcher and an outfielder and if he decides the team will win more ballgames by trading him for a pitcher and finding an actual outfielder or catcher I trust his judgment on that one.
I mean heck, maybe we're all underestimating how good McKinney can be. He may not hit for a ton of power and we'll miss the fat guy home runs, but maybe his bat/OBP skills and actual ability to play defense in LF would make him a better player to have than Schwarber anyway.
If we're just talking about left field, McKinney could absolutely be more valuable than Schwarber, factoring in his defense and (likely) baserunning advantage.
Quote from: Eli on July 01, 2015, 03:02:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 01, 2015, 02:55:54 PM
I'm not exactly advocating trading him. Just saying that Theo's run through probably every possible projection of him as both a catcher and an outfielder and if he decides the team will win more ballgames by trading him for a pitcher and finding an actual outfielder or catcher I trust his judgment on that one.
I mean heck, maybe we're all underestimating how good McKinney can be. He may not hit for a ton of power and we'll miss the fat guy home runs, but maybe his bat/OBP skills and actual ability to play defense in LF would make him a better player to have than Schwarber anyway.
If we're just talking about left field, McKinney could absolutely be more valuable than Schwarber, factoring in his defense and (likely) baserunning advantage.
WHAT ABOUT THE DINGERS???
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on July 01, 2015, 03:45:34 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 01, 2015, 03:02:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 01, 2015, 02:55:54 PM
I'm not exactly advocating trading him. Just saying that Theo's run through probably every possible projection of him as both a catcher and an outfielder and if he decides the team will win more ballgames by trading him for a pitcher and finding an actual outfielder or catcher I trust his judgment on that one.
I mean heck, maybe we're all underestimating how good McKinney can be. He may not hit for a ton of power and we'll miss the fat guy home runs, but maybe his bat/OBP skills and actual ability to play defense in LF would make him a better player to have than Schwarber anyway.
If we're just talking about left field, McKinney could absolutely be more valuable than Schwarber, factoring in his defense and (likely) baserunning advantage.
WHAT ABOUT THE DINGERS???
TLC cancelled their show.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 01, 2015, 04:02:36 PM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on July 01, 2015, 03:45:34 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 01, 2015, 03:02:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 01, 2015, 02:55:54 PM
I'm not exactly advocating trading him. Just saying that Theo's run through probably every possible projection of him as both a catcher and an outfielder and if he decides the team will win more ballgames by trading him for a pitcher and finding an actual outfielder or catcher I trust his judgment on that one.
I mean heck, maybe we're all underestimating how good McKinney can be. He may not hit for a ton of power and we'll miss the fat guy home runs, but maybe his bat/OBP skills and actual ability to play defense in LF would make him a better player to have than Schwarber anyway.
If we're just talking about left field, McKinney could absolutely be more valuable than Schwarber, factoring in his defense and (likely) baserunning advantage.
WHAT ABOUT THE DINGERS???
TLC cancelled their show.
So, so much no, Chuck.
Who knows what Morosi actually knows (http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-trade-deadline-approach-pitching-depth-starlin-castro-deal-070515) about the Cubs' thought process, but it's presumably more than we do.
There's some stuff about how Castro is bad and they would prefer to trade for a non-rental starter. Nothing we don't know. But he does at least throw out some names here:
QuoteSwitch-hitting center fielder Dexter Fowler is having the worst offensive season of his major-league career, and his struggles have been most pronounced from the left side.
Two names to watch: Milwaukee's Gerardo Parra, a two-time Gold Glove winner, and San Diego's Will Venable, who played for Hoyer during his tenure as general manager of the Padres.
Not sure how likely Fowler is to turn it around, but I wouldn't mind Parra coming in to play the heavy side of a platoon in that spot. Fowler's always been better as a right-handed hitter and it's an even more pronounced difference this year.
Quote from: Eli on July 06, 2015, 08:43:04 AM
Who knows what Morosi actually knows (http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-trade-deadline-approach-pitching-depth-starlin-castro-deal-070515) about the Cubs' thought process, but it's presumably more than we do.
There's some stuff about how Castro is bad and they would prefer to trade for a non-rental starter. Nothing we don't know. But he does at least throw out some names here:
QuoteSwitch-hitting center fielder Dexter Fowler is having the worst offensive season of his major-league career, and his struggles have been most pronounced from the left side.
Two names to watch: Milwaukee's Gerardo Parra, a two-time Gold Glove winner, and San Diego's Will Venable, who played for Hoyer during his tenure as general manager of the Padres.
Not sure how likely Fowler is to turn it around, but I wouldn't mind Parra coming in to play the heavy side of a platoon in that spot. Fowler's always been better as a right-handed hitter and it's an even more pronounced difference this year.
I'm all for it. Can't imagine the prospect cost would be that great. The outfield has been a drag the last month+ but an outfield of Jorge, a Parra (.838 ops vs RHP)/Fowler (.833 vs LHP) platoon in center, and a Coghlan/Denorfia platoon in left could be pretty consistently good.
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2015, 08:52:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 06, 2015, 08:43:04 AM
Who knows what Morosi actually knows (http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-trade-deadline-approach-pitching-depth-starlin-castro-deal-070515) about the Cubs' thought process, but it's presumably more than we do.
There's some stuff about how Castro is bad and they would prefer to trade for a non-rental starter. Nothing we don't know. But he does at least throw out some names here:
QuoteSwitch-hitting center fielder Dexter Fowler is having the worst offensive season of his major-league career, and his struggles have been most pronounced from the left side.
Two names to watch: Milwaukee's Gerardo Parra, a two-time Gold Glove winner, and San Diego's Will Venable, who played for Hoyer during his tenure as general manager of the Padres.
Not sure how likely Fowler is to turn it around, but I wouldn't mind Parra coming in to play the heavy side of a platoon in that spot. Fowler's always been better as a right-handed hitter and it's an even more pronounced difference this year.
I'm all for it. Can't imagine the prospect cost would be that great. The outfield has been a drag the last month+ but an outfield of Jorge, a Parra (.838 ops vs RHP)/Fowler (.833 vs LHP) platoon in center, and a Coghlan/Denorfia platoon in left could be pretty consistently good.
And having those platoons would help strengthen the bench on any given day.
Quote from: Eli on July 06, 2015, 08:56:19 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2015, 08:52:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 06, 2015, 08:43:04 AM
Who knows what Morosi actually knows (http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-trade-deadline-approach-pitching-depth-starlin-castro-deal-070515) about the Cubs' thought process, but it's presumably more than we do.
There's some stuff about how Castro is bad and they would prefer to trade for a non-rental starter. Nothing we don't know. But he does at least throw out some names here:
QuoteSwitch-hitting center fielder Dexter Fowler is having the worst offensive season of his major-league career, and his struggles have been most pronounced from the left side.
Two names to watch: Milwaukee's Gerardo Parra, a two-time Gold Glove winner, and San Diego's Will Venable, who played for Hoyer during his tenure as general manager of the Padres.
Not sure how likely Fowler is to turn it around, but I wouldn't mind Parra coming in to play the heavy side of a platoon in that spot. Fowler's always been better as a right-handed hitter and it's an even more pronounced difference this year.
I'm all for it. Can't imagine the prospect cost would be that great. The outfield has been a drag the last month+ but an outfield of Jorge, a Parra (.838 ops vs RHP)/Fowler (.833 vs LHP) platoon in center, and a Coghlan/Denorfia platoon in left could be pretty consistently good.
And having those platoons would help strengthen the bench on any given day.
It was nice that Jorge's return paid dividends immediately with Denorfia being able to come in and pinch hit instead of like, Mack Seizure or Junior Lake. Denorfia is obviously not going to deliver a double every time he does that but still, actual major league players on the bench could add a win or two over the course of the season easily.
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2015, 08:52:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 06, 2015, 08:43:04 AM
Who knows what Morosi actually knows (http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-trade-deadline-approach-pitching-depth-starlin-castro-deal-070515) about the Cubs' thought process, but it's presumably more than we do.
There's some stuff about how Castro is bad and they would prefer to trade for a non-rental starter. Nothing we don't know. But he does at least throw out some names here:
QuoteSwitch-hitting center fielder Dexter Fowler is having the worst offensive season of his major-league career, and his struggles have been most pronounced from the left side.
Two names to watch: Milwaukee's Gerardo Parra, a two-time Gold Glove winner, and San Diego's Will Venable, who played for Hoyer during his tenure as general manager of the Padres.
Not sure how likely Fowler is to turn it around, but I wouldn't mind Parra coming in to play the heavy side of a platoon in that spot. Fowler's always been better as a right-handed hitter and it's an even more pronounced difference this year.
I'm all for it. Can't imagine the prospect cost would be that great. The outfield has been a drag the last month+ but an outfield of Jorge, a Parra (.838 ops vs RHP)/Fowler (.833 vs LHP) platoon in center, and a Coghlan/Denorfia platoon Schwarber in left could be pretty consistently good.
Fixed - he can't be THAT much worse defensively than Coghlan, can he?
But I'm all in favor of limiting Dexter to LHPs - he has actually done well against RHPs the last few years but for some reason has been godawful against them this year.
Quote from: R-V on July 06, 2015, 09:04:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2015, 08:52:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 06, 2015, 08:43:04 AM
Who knows what Morosi actually knows (http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-trade-deadline-approach-pitching-depth-starlin-castro-deal-070515) about the Cubs' thought process, but it's presumably more than we do.
There's some stuff about how Castro is bad and they would prefer to trade for a non-rental starter. Nothing we don't know. But he does at least throw out some names here:
QuoteSwitch-hitting center fielder Dexter Fowler is having the worst offensive season of his major-league career, and his struggles have been most pronounced from the left side.
Two names to watch: Milwaukee's Gerardo Parra, a two-time Gold Glove winner, and San Diego's Will Venable, who played for Hoyer during his tenure as general manager of the Padres.
Not sure how likely Fowler is to turn it around, but I wouldn't mind Parra coming in to play the heavy side of a platoon in that spot. Fowler's always been better as a right-handed hitter and it's an even more pronounced difference this year.
I'm all for it. Can't imagine the prospect cost would be that great. The outfield has been a drag the last month+ but an outfield of Jorge, a Parra (.838 ops vs RHP)/Fowler (.833 vs LHP) platoon in center, and a Coghlan/Denorfia platoon Schwarber in left could be pretty consistently good.
Fixed - he can't be THAT much worse defensively than Coghlan, can he?
But I'm all in favor of limiting Dexter to LHPs - he has actually done well against RHPs the last few years but for some reason has been godawful against them this year.
I keep thinking Dexter has to get better just because he can't get much worse but there's obviously a limit to how long they can wait him out. He should have already been moved out of the leadoff spot. I think Coghlan actually is their best bet there for now.
Quote from: R-V on July 06, 2015, 09:04:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2015, 08:52:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 06, 2015, 08:43:04 AM
Who knows what Morosi actually knows (http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-trade-deadline-approach-pitching-depth-starlin-castro-deal-070515) about the Cubs' thought process, but it's presumably more than we do.
There's some stuff about how Castro is bad and they would prefer to trade for a non-rental starter. Nothing we don't know. But he does at least throw out some names here:
QuoteSwitch-hitting center fielder Dexter Fowler is having the worst offensive season of his major-league career, and his struggles have been most pronounced from the left side.
Two names to watch: Milwaukee's Gerardo Parra, a two-time Gold Glove winner, and San Diego's Will Venable, who played for Hoyer during his tenure as general manager of the Padres.
Not sure how likely Fowler is to turn it around, but I wouldn't mind Parra coming in to play the heavy side of a platoon in that spot. Fowler's always been better as a right-handed hitter and it's an even more pronounced difference this year.
I'm all for it. Can't imagine the prospect cost would be that great. The outfield has been a drag the last month+ but an outfield of Jorge, a Parra (.838 ops vs RHP)/Fowler (.833 vs LHP) platoon in center, and a Coghlan/Denorfia platoon Schwarber in left could be pretty consistently good.
Fixed - he can't be THAT much worse defensively than Coghlan, can he?
But I'm all in favor of limiting Dexter to LHPs - he has actually done well against RHPs the last few years but for some reason has been godawful against them this year.
Maybe I'm hallucinating, but Coghlan seems to be playing better defense lately. The first few weeks of the year he was pretty awful, but I can't recall anything he's butchered horribly the last month or two. He still appears to take bad routes to balls when going back, but he seems to catch most of the ones that he should. He's made a couple nice plays coming in on balls that looked like they would drop in and I can think of at least two where he laid out going to his left.
Edit: FanGraphs actually has him as the fourth best (qualified) LF (http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=lf&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=y&type=1&season=2015&month=0&season1=2015&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0).
Quote from: ChuckD on July 06, 2015, 09:32:59 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 06, 2015, 09:04:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2015, 08:52:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 06, 2015, 08:43:04 AM
Who knows what Morosi actually knows (http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-trade-deadline-approach-pitching-depth-starlin-castro-deal-070515) about the Cubs' thought process, but it's presumably more than we do.
There's some stuff about how Castro is bad and they would prefer to trade for a non-rental starter. Nothing we don't know. But he does at least throw out some names here:
QuoteSwitch-hitting center fielder Dexter Fowler is having the worst offensive season of his major-league career, and his struggles have been most pronounced from the left side.
Two names to watch: Milwaukee's Gerardo Parra, a two-time Gold Glove winner, and San Diego's Will Venable, who played for Hoyer during his tenure as general manager of the Padres.
Not sure how likely Fowler is to turn it around, but I wouldn't mind Parra coming in to play the heavy side of a platoon in that spot. Fowler's always been better as a right-handed hitter and it's an even more pronounced difference this year.
I'm all for it. Can't imagine the prospect cost would be that great. The outfield has been a drag the last month+ but an outfield of Jorge, a Parra (.838 ops vs RHP)/Fowler (.833 vs LHP) platoon in center, and a Coghlan/Denorfia platoon Schwarber in left could be pretty consistently good.
Fixed - he can't be THAT much worse defensively than Coghlan, can he?
But I'm all in favor of limiting Dexter to LHPs - he has actually done well against RHPs the last few years but for some reason has been godawful against them this year.
Maybe I'm hallucinating, but Coghlan seems to be playing better defense lately. The first few weeks of the year he was pretty awful, but I can't recall anything he's butchered horribly the last month or two. He still appears to take bad routes to balls when going back, but he seems to catch most of the ones that he should. He's made a couple nice plays coming in on balls that looked like they would drop in and I can think of at least two where he laid out going to his left.
The bad routes and late breaks are scary but haven't haven't hurt the Cubs recently. That's what left fielders do though. We'd have to see if Schwarber even has the speed to recover like Coghlan often does. Plus seeing Coghlan charging into the fray of would be fielders on pop-ups is terrifying but imagine if it were an NFL linebacker flying through there yelling. With Russell's seeming inability to give ground on anything hit above the upper deck, it could get ugly. White knuckle time on any ball hit in no-man's land.
Will Venable: BC's second Gil Meche
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2015, 09:09:08 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 06, 2015, 09:04:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2015, 08:52:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 06, 2015, 08:43:04 AM
Who knows what Morosi actually knows (http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-trade-deadline-approach-pitching-depth-starlin-castro-deal-070515) about the Cubs' thought process, but it's presumably more than we do.
There's some stuff about how Castro is bad and they would prefer to trade for a non-rental starter. Nothing we don't know. But he does at least throw out some names here:
QuoteSwitch-hitting center fielder Dexter Fowler is having the worst offensive season of his major-league career, and his struggles have been most pronounced from the left side.
Two names to watch: Milwaukee's Gerardo Parra, a two-time Gold Glove winner, and San Diego's Will Venable, who played for Hoyer during his tenure as general manager of the Padres.
Not sure how likely Fowler is to turn it around, but I wouldn't mind Parra coming in to play the heavy side of a platoon in that spot. Fowler's always been better as a right-handed hitter and it's an even more pronounced difference this year.
I'm all for it. Can't imagine the prospect cost would be that great. The outfield has been a drag the last month+ but an outfield of Jorge, a Parra (.838 ops vs RHP)/Fowler (.833 vs LHP) platoon in center, and a Coghlan/Denorfia platoon Schwarber in left could be pretty consistently good.
Fixed - he can't be THAT much worse defensively than Coghlan, can he?
But I'm all in favor of limiting Dexter to LHPs - he has actually done well against RHPs the last few years but for some reason has been godawful against them this year.
I keep thinking Dexter has to get better just because he can't get much worse but there's obviously a limit to how long they can wait him out. He should have already been moved out of the leadoff spot. I think Coghlan actually is their best bet there for now.
You got your wish chief. Coghlan hitting leadoff, Dexter hitting 7th tonight. If they don't score 8+ runs, I'm holding you and that Trueblood fella who goes to your barber accountable.
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2015, 09:09:08 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 06, 2015, 09:04:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2015, 08:52:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 06, 2015, 08:43:04 AM
Who knows what Morosi actually knows (http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-trade-deadline-approach-pitching-depth-starlin-castro-deal-070515) about the Cubs' thought process, but it's presumably more than we do.
There's some stuff about how Castro is bad and they would prefer to trade for a non-rental starter. Nothing we don't know. But he does at least throw out some names here:
QuoteSwitch-hitting center fielder Dexter Fowler is having the worst offensive season of his major-league career, and his struggles have been most pronounced from the left side.
Two names to watch: Milwaukee's Gerardo Parra, a two-time Gold Glove winner, and San Diego's Will Venable, who played for Hoyer during his tenure as general manager of the Padres.
Not sure how likely Fowler is to turn it around, but I wouldn't mind Parra coming in to play the heavy side of a platoon in that spot. Fowler's always been better as a right-handed hitter and it's an even more pronounced difference this year.
I'm all for it. Can't imagine the prospect cost would be that great. The outfield has been a drag the last month+ but an outfield of Jorge, a Parra (.838 ops vs RHP)/Fowler (.833 vs LHP) platoon in center, and a Coghlan/Denorfia platoon Schwarber in left could be pretty consistently good.
Fixed - he can't be THAT much worse defensively than Coghlan, can he?
But I'm all in favor of limiting Dexter to LHPs - he has actually done well against RHPs the last few years but for some reason has been godawful against them this year.
I keep thinking Dexter has to get better just because he can't get much worse but there's obviously a limit to how long they can wait him out. He should have already been moved out of the leadoff spot. I think Coghlan actually is their best bet there for now.
For your next trick, conjure a drop in the order for Starlin from 5th.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 06, 2015, 03:16:03 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2015, 09:09:08 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 06, 2015, 09:04:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2015, 08:52:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 06, 2015, 08:43:04 AM
Who knows what Morosi actually knows (http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-trade-deadline-approach-pitching-depth-starlin-castro-deal-070515) about the Cubs' thought process, but it's presumably more than we do.
There's some stuff about how Castro is bad and they would prefer to trade for a non-rental starter. Nothing we don't know. But he does at least throw out some names here:
QuoteSwitch-hitting center fielder Dexter Fowler is having the worst offensive season of his major-league career, and his struggles have been most pronounced from the left side.
Two names to watch: Milwaukee's Gerardo Parra, a two-time Gold Glove winner, and San Diego's Will Venable, who played for Hoyer during his tenure as general manager of the Padres.
Not sure how likely Fowler is to turn it around, but I wouldn't mind Parra coming in to play the heavy side of a platoon in that spot. Fowler's always been better as a right-handed hitter and it's an even more pronounced difference this year.
I'm all for it. Can't imagine the prospect cost would be that great. The outfield has been a drag the last month+ but an outfield of Jorge, a Parra (.838 ops vs RHP)/Fowler (.833 vs LHP) platoon in center, and a Coghlan/Denorfia platoon Schwarber in left could be pretty consistently good.
Fixed - he can't be THAT much worse defensively than Coghlan, can he?
But I'm all in favor of limiting Dexter to LHPs - he has actually done well against RHPs the last few years but for some reason has been godawful against them this year.
I keep thinking Dexter has to get better just because he can't get much worse but there's obviously a limit to how long they can wait him out. He should have already been moved out of the leadoff spot. I think Coghlan actually is their best bet there for now.
For your next trick, conjure a drop in the order for Starlin from 5th.
Yeah, it seems to me that everyone would benefit from Castro hitting second, ahead of Rizzo and Bryant. The guy is absolutely worthless batting 5th, or even 6th for that matter.
Quote from: PANK! on July 06, 2015, 03:23:11 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 06, 2015, 03:16:03 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2015, 09:09:08 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 06, 2015, 09:04:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2015, 08:52:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 06, 2015, 08:43:04 AM
Who knows what Morosi actually knows (http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-trade-deadline-approach-pitching-depth-starlin-castro-deal-070515) about the Cubs' thought process, but it's presumably more than we do.
There's some stuff about how Castro is bad and they would prefer to trade for a non-rental starter. Nothing we don't know. But he does at least throw out some names here:
QuoteSwitch-hitting center fielder Dexter Fowler is having the worst offensive season of his major-league career, and his struggles have been most pronounced from the left side.
Two names to watch: Milwaukee’s Gerardo Parra, a two-time Gold Glove winner, and San Diego’s Will Venable, who played for Hoyer during his tenure as general manager of the Padres.
Not sure how likely Fowler is to turn it around, but I wouldn't mind Parra coming in to play the heavy side of a platoon in that spot. Fowler's always been better as a right-handed hitter and it's an even more pronounced difference this year.
I'm all for it. Can't imagine the prospect cost would be that great. The outfield has been a drag the last month+ but an outfield of Jorge, a Parra (.838 ops vs RHP)/Fowler (.833 vs LHP) platoon in center, and a Coghlan/Denorfia platoon Schwarber in left could be pretty consistently good.
Fixed - he can't be THAT much worse defensively than Coghlan, can he?
But I'm all in favor of limiting Dexter to LHPs - he has actually done well against RHPs the last few years but for some reason has been godawful against them this year.
I keep thinking Dexter has to get better just because he can't get much worse but there's obviously a limit to how long they can wait him out. He should have already been moved out of the leadoff spot. I think Coghlan actually is their best bet there for now.
For your next trick, conjure a drop in the order for Starlin from 5th.
Yeah, it seems to me that everyone would benefit from Castro hitting second, ahead of Rizzo and Bryant. The guy is absolutely worthless batting 5th, or even 6th for that matter.
Or nearly in the majors. His OPS has been under .600 over the last month. Down to .627 for the season. He's 153rd out of 167 qualified players.
He needs to be 7th or 9th in the MaddenVerse.
Then again, #167 is Alexi Ramirez.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 06, 2015, 03:28:09 PM
Quote from: PANK! on July 06, 2015, 03:23:11 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 06, 2015, 03:16:03 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2015, 09:09:08 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 06, 2015, 09:04:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2015, 08:52:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 06, 2015, 08:43:04 AM
Who knows what Morosi actually knows (http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-trade-deadline-approach-pitching-depth-starlin-castro-deal-070515) about the Cubs' thought process, but it's presumably more than we do.
There's some stuff about how Castro is bad and they would prefer to trade for a non-rental starter. Nothing we don't know. But he does at least throw out some names here:
QuoteSwitch-hitting center fielder Dexter Fowler is having the worst offensive season of his major-league career, and his struggles have been most pronounced from the left side.
Two names to watch: Milwaukee's Gerardo Parra, a two-time Gold Glove winner, and San Diego's Will Venable, who played for Hoyer during his tenure as general manager of the Padres.
Not sure how likely Fowler is to turn it around, but I wouldn't mind Parra coming in to play the heavy side of a platoon in that spot. Fowler's always been better as a right-handed hitter and it's an even more pronounced difference this year.
I'm all for it. Can't imagine the prospect cost would be that great. The outfield has been a drag the last month+ but an outfield of Jorge, a Parra (.838 ops vs RHP)/Fowler (.833 vs LHP) platoon in center, and a Coghlan/Denorfia platoon Schwarber in left could be pretty consistently good.
Fixed - he can't be THAT much worse defensively than Coghlan, can he?
But I'm all in favor of limiting Dexter to LHPs - he has actually done well against RHPs the last few years but for some reason has been godawful against them this year.
I keep thinking Dexter has to get better just because he can't get much worse but there's obviously a limit to how long they can wait him out. He should have already been moved out of the leadoff spot. I think Coghlan actually is their best bet there for now.
For your next trick, conjure a drop in the order for Starlin from 5th.
Yeah, it seems to me that everyone would benefit from Castro hitting second, ahead of Rizzo and Bryant. The guy is absolutely worthless batting 5th, or even 6th for that matter.
Or nearly in the majors. His OPS has been under .600 over the last month. Down to .627 for the season. He's 153rd out of 167 qualified players.
He needs to be 7th or 9th in the MaddenVerse.
Then again, #167 is Alexi Ramirez.
2013 excepted, the guy has had an OPS of at least .750 in every season that he's been in the bigs. Seems you might want to see if you can unleash his production by batting him second, I dunno just a thought.
But no, let's shitcan his career production, point to his admittedly underperforming 3 months of the 2015 season, and tank any value he has remaining by relegating him to the bottom of the order because Chuck.
Quote from: PANK! on July 06, 2015, 03:34:51 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 06, 2015, 03:28:09 PM
Quote from: PANK! on July 06, 2015, 03:23:11 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 06, 2015, 03:16:03 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2015, 09:09:08 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 06, 2015, 09:04:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2015, 08:52:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 06, 2015, 08:43:04 AM
Who knows what Morosi actually knows (http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-trade-deadline-approach-pitching-depth-starlin-castro-deal-070515) about the Cubs' thought process, but it's presumably more than we do.
There's some stuff about how Castro is bad and they would prefer to trade for a non-rental starter. Nothing we don't know. But he does at least throw out some names here:
QuoteSwitch-hitting center fielder Dexter Fowler is having the worst offensive season of his major-league career, and his struggles have been most pronounced from the left side.
Two names to watch: Milwaukee's Gerardo Parra, a two-time Gold Glove winner, and San Diego's Will Venable, who played for Hoyer during his tenure as general manager of the Padres.
Not sure how likely Fowler is to turn it around, but I wouldn't mind Parra coming in to play the heavy side of a platoon in that spot. Fowler's always been better as a right-handed hitter and it's an even more pronounced difference this year.
I'm all for it. Can't imagine the prospect cost would be that great. The outfield has been a drag the last month+ but an outfield of Jorge, a Parra (.838 ops vs RHP)/Fowler (.833 vs LHP) platoon in center, and a Coghlan/Denorfia platoon Schwarber in left could be pretty consistently good.
Fixed - he can't be THAT much worse defensively than Coghlan, can he?
But I'm all in favor of limiting Dexter to LHPs - he has actually done well against RHPs the last few years but for some reason has been godawful against them this year.
I keep thinking Dexter has to get better just because he can't get much worse but there's obviously a limit to how long they can wait him out. He should have already been moved out of the leadoff spot. I think Coghlan actually is their best bet there for now.
For your next trick, conjure a drop in the order for Starlin from 5th.
Yeah, it seems to me that everyone would benefit from Castro hitting second, ahead of Rizzo and Bryant. The guy is absolutely worthless batting 5th, or even 6th for that matter.
Or nearly in the majors. His OPS has been under .600 over the last month. Down to .627 for the season. He's 153rd out of 167 qualified players.
He needs to be 7th or 9th in the MaddenVerse.
Then again, #167 is Alexi Ramirez.
2013 excepted, the guy has had an OPS of at least .750 in every season that he's been in the bigs. Seems you might want to see if you can unleash his production by batting him second, I dunno just a thought.
But no, let's shitcan his career production, point to his admittedly underperforming 3 months of the 2015 season, and tank any value he has remaining by relegating him to the bottom of the order because Chuck.
Okay, but do it now, not in August/September. Giving a guy who has flat-out sucked more at-bats so he can get out in front of Rizzo and Bryant seems odd to me, but I'm willing to try it as an emergency jump-start before the All-Star Break.
Quote from: PANK! on July 06, 2015, 03:34:51 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 06, 2015, 03:28:09 PM
Quote from: PANK! on July 06, 2015, 03:23:11 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 06, 2015, 03:16:03 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2015, 09:09:08 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 06, 2015, 09:04:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2015, 08:52:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 06, 2015, 08:43:04 AM
Who knows what Morosi actually knows (http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-trade-deadline-approach-pitching-depth-starlin-castro-deal-070515) about the Cubs' thought process, but it's presumably more than we do.
There's some stuff about how Castro is bad and they would prefer to trade for a non-rental starter. Nothing we don't know. But he does at least throw out some names here:
QuoteSwitch-hitting center fielder Dexter Fowler is having the worst offensive season of his major-league career, and his struggles have been most pronounced from the left side.
Two names to watch: Milwaukee's Gerardo Parra, a two-time Gold Glove winner, and San Diego's Will Venable, who played for Hoyer during his tenure as general manager of the Padres.
Not sure how likely Fowler is to turn it around, but I wouldn't mind Parra coming in to play the heavy side of a platoon in that spot. Fowler's always been better as a right-handed hitter and it's an even more pronounced difference this year.
I'm all for it. Can't imagine the prospect cost would be that great. The outfield has been a drag the last month+ but an outfield of Jorge, a Parra (.838 ops vs RHP)/Fowler (.833 vs LHP) platoon in center, and a Coghlan/Denorfia platoon Schwarber in left could be pretty consistently good.
Fixed - he can't be THAT much worse defensively than Coghlan, can he?
But I'm all in favor of limiting Dexter to LHPs - he has actually done well against RHPs the last few years but for some reason has been godawful against them this year.
I keep thinking Dexter has to get better just because he can't get much worse but there's obviously a limit to how long they can wait him out. He should have already been moved out of the leadoff spot. I think Coghlan actually is their best bet there for now.
For your next trick, conjure a drop in the order for Starlin from 5th.
Yeah, it seems to me that everyone would benefit from Castro hitting second, ahead of Rizzo and Bryant. The guy is absolutely worthless batting 5th, or even 6th for that matter.
Or nearly in the majors. His OPS has been under .600 over the last month. Down to .627 for the season. He's 153rd out of 167 qualified players.
He needs to be 7th or 9th in the MaddenVerse.
Then again, #167 is Alexi Ramirez.
2013 excepted, the guy has had an OPS of at least .750 in every season that he's been in the bigs. Seems you might want to see if you can unleash his production by batting him second, I dunno just a thought.
But no, let's shitcan his career production, point to his admittedly underperforming 3 months of the 2015 season, and tank any value he has remaining by relegating him to the bottom of the order because Chuck.
2013 and 2015.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 06, 2015, 03:52:32 PM
Quote from: PANK! on July 06, 2015, 03:34:51 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 06, 2015, 03:28:09 PM
Quote from: PANK! on July 06, 2015, 03:23:11 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 06, 2015, 03:16:03 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2015, 09:09:08 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 06, 2015, 09:04:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2015, 08:52:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 06, 2015, 08:43:04 AM
Who knows what Morosi actually knows (http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-trade-deadline-approach-pitching-depth-starlin-castro-deal-070515) about the Cubs' thought process, but it's presumably more than we do.
There's some stuff about how Castro is bad and they would prefer to trade for a non-rental starter. Nothing we don't know. But he does at least throw out some names here:
QuoteSwitch-hitting center fielder Dexter Fowler is having the worst offensive season of his major-league career, and his struggles have been most pronounced from the left side.
Two names to watch: Milwaukee's Gerardo Parra, a two-time Gold Glove winner, and San Diego's Will Venable, who played for Hoyer during his tenure as general manager of the Padres.
Not sure how likely Fowler is to turn it around, but I wouldn't mind Parra coming in to play the heavy side of a platoon in that spot. Fowler's always been better as a right-handed hitter and it's an even more pronounced difference this year.
I'm all for it. Can't imagine the prospect cost would be that great. The outfield has been a drag the last month+ but an outfield of Jorge, a Parra (.838 ops vs RHP)/Fowler (.833 vs LHP) platoon in center, and a Coghlan/Denorfia platoon Schwarber in left could be pretty consistently good.
Fixed - he can't be THAT much worse defensively than Coghlan, can he?
But I'm all in favor of limiting Dexter to LHPs - he has actually done well against RHPs the last few years but for some reason has been godawful against them this year.
I keep thinking Dexter has to get better just because he can't get much worse but there's obviously a limit to how long they can wait him out. He should have already been moved out of the leadoff spot. I think Coghlan actually is their best bet there for now.
For your next trick, conjure a drop in the order for Starlin from 5th.
Yeah, it seems to me that everyone would benefit from Castro hitting second, ahead of Rizzo and Bryant. The guy is absolutely worthless batting 5th, or even 6th for that matter.
Or nearly in the majors. His OPS has been under .600 over the last month. Down to .627 for the season. He's 153rd out of 167 qualified players.
He needs to be 7th or 9th in the MaddenVerse.
Then again, #167 is Alexi Ramirez.
2013 excepted, the guy has had an OPS of at least .750 in every season that he's been in the bigs. Seems you might want to see if you can unleash his production by batting him second, I dunno just a thought.
But no, let's shitcan his career production, point to his admittedly underperforming 3 months of the 2015 season, and tank any value he has remaining by relegating him to the bottom of the order because Chuck.
2013 and 2015.
Well if the season ended July 6th then Rick Sutcliffe would've been the Game 1 starter in the 1989 NLDS, amirite?
Quote from: PANK! on July 06, 2015, 03:34:51 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 06, 2015, 03:28:09 PM
Quote from: PANK! on July 06, 2015, 03:23:11 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 06, 2015, 03:16:03 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2015, 09:09:08 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 06, 2015, 09:04:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2015, 08:52:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 06, 2015, 08:43:04 AM
Who knows what Morosi actually knows (http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-trade-deadline-approach-pitching-depth-starlin-castro-deal-070515) about the Cubs' thought process, but it's presumably more than we do.
There's some stuff about how Castro is bad and they would prefer to trade for a non-rental starter. Nothing we don't know. But he does at least throw out some names here:
QuoteSwitch-hitting center fielder Dexter Fowler is having the worst offensive season of his major-league career, and his struggles have been most pronounced from the left side.
Two names to watch: Milwaukee’s Gerardo Parra, a two-time Gold Glove winner, and San Diego’s Will Venable, who played for Hoyer during his tenure as general manager of the Padres.
Not sure how likely Fowler is to turn it around, but I wouldn't mind Parra coming in to play the heavy side of a platoon in that spot. Fowler's always been better as a right-handed hitter and it's an even more pronounced difference this year.
I'm all for it. Can't imagine the prospect cost would be that great. The outfield has been a drag the last month+ but an outfield of Jorge, a Parra (.838 ops vs RHP)/Fowler (.833 vs LHP) platoon in center, and a Coghlan/Denorfia platoon Schwarber in left could be pretty consistently good.
Fixed - he can't be THAT much worse defensively than Coghlan, can he?
But I'm all in favor of limiting Dexter to LHPs - he has actually done well against RHPs the last few years but for some reason has been godawful against them this year.
I keep thinking Dexter has to get better just because he can't get much worse but there's obviously a limit to how long they can wait him out. He should have already been moved out of the leadoff spot. I think Coghlan actually is their best bet there for now.
For your next trick, conjure a drop in the order for Starlin from 5th.
Yeah, it seems to me that everyone would benefit from Castro hitting second, ahead of Rizzo and Bryant. The guy is absolutely worthless batting 5th, or even 6th for that matter.
Or nearly in the majors. His OPS has been under .600 over the last month. Down to .627 for the season. He's 153rd out of 167 qualified players.
He needs to be 7th or 9th in the MaddenVerse.
Then again, #167 is Alexi Ramirez.
2013 excepted, the guy has had an OPS of at least .750 in every season that he's been in the bigs. Seems you might want to see if you can unleash his production by batting him second, I dunno just a thought.
But no, let's shitcan his career production, point to his admittedly underperforming 3 months of the 2015 season, and tank any value he has remaining by relegating him to the bottom of the order because Chuck.
Go have fun here. FuzzBeadEli point this out a few weeks ago. Castro has been bad for a while. This link covers the last 4 years. Even if you exclude this year and only do 2012-2014 (two of three years good) he's still 15th in WAR among qualified SS.
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2015&month=0&season1=2012&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 06, 2015, 04:04:21 PM
Go have fun here. FuzzBeadEli point this out a few weeks ago. Castro has been bad for a while. This link covers the last 4 years. Even if you exclude this year and only do 2012-2014 (two of three years good) he's still 15th in WAR among qualified SS.
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2015&month=0&season1=2012&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0
I realize I'm saying Chuck is right by saying I'm right, but those numbers aren't pretty for Castro. Even if you put in the absolute most favorable filtering for him of 2011-2014 (and I don't know why you'd cherry-pick things that way) he's 16th out of 30th shortshops in offensive WAR:
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=1000&type=8&season=2014&month=0&season1=2011&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=19,d
Quote from: Eli on July 06, 2015, 04:14:53 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 06, 2015, 04:04:21 PM
Go have fun here. FuzzBeadEli point this out a few weeks ago. Castro has been bad for a while. This link covers the last 4 years. Even if you exclude this year and only do 2012-2014 (two of three years good) he's still 15th in WAR among qualified SS.
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2015&month=0&season1=2012&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0
I realize I'm saying Chuck is right by saying I'm right, but those numbers aren't pretty for Castro. Even if you put in the absolute most favorable filtering for him of 2011-2014 (and I don't know why you'd cherry-pick things that way) he's 16th out of 30th shortshops in offensive WAR:
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=1000&type=8&season=2014&month=0&season1=2011&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=19,d
Yes, but trading him is out of the question, how dare anyone suggest that.
Then again they probably wouldn't be able to get much for him the way he's hitting anyway.
Quote from: Eli on July 06, 2015, 04:14:53 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 06, 2015, 04:04:21 PM
Go have fun here. FuzzBeadEli point this out a few weeks ago. Castro has been bad for a while. This link covers the last 4 years. Even if you exclude this year and only do 2012-2014 (two of three years good) he's still 15th in WAR among qualified SS.
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2015&month=0&season1=2012&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0
I realize I'm saying Chuck is right by saying I'm right, but those numbers aren't pretty for Castro. Even if you put in the absolute most favorable filtering for him of 2011-2014 (and I don't know why you'd cherry-pick things that way) he's 16th out of 30th shortshops in offensive WAR:
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=1000&type=8&season=2014&month=0&season1=2011&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=19,d
Also batting him second to fix him is a terrible idea. Lineup protection has been proven time and again to be a myth so all you'd be doing is asking the guy who makes the most outs on the team to make them in front of Rizzo and Bryant. No thanks.
6 is best for him. 5 is more of a run producing spot and at 7 ahead of the pitcher I doubt he'd be patient enough to walk a lot when pitchers pitch around him. Fowler might, though.
God damnit, Starlin. We had such high hopes for you.
Quote from: SKO on July 06, 2015, 04:33:51 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 06, 2015, 04:14:53 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 06, 2015, 04:04:21 PM
Go have fun here. FuzzBeadEli point this out a few weeks ago. Castro has been bad for a while. This link covers the last 4 years. Even if you exclude this year and only do 2012-2014 (two of three years good) he's still 15th in WAR among qualified SS.
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2015&month=0&season1=2012&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0
I realize I'm saying Chuck is right by saying I'm right, but those numbers aren't pretty for Castro. Even if you put in the absolute most favorable filtering for him of 2011-2014 (and I don't know why you'd cherry-pick things that way) he's 16th out of 30th shortshops in offensive WAR:
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=1000&type=8&season=2014&month=0&season1=2011&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=19,d
Also batting him second to fix him is a terrible idea. Lineup protection has been proven time and again to be a myth so all you'd be doing is asking the guy who makes the most outs on the team to make them in front of Rizzo and Bryant. No thanks.
6 is best for him. 5 is more of a run producing spot and at 7 ahead of the pitcher I doubt he'd be patient enough to walk a lot when pitchers pitch around him. Fowler might, though.
Or maybe start hitting the pitcher 9th like Jesus intended and bat Starlin 7th.
For some reason it's news (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/cubs-financial-resources-trades.html) that the Cubs have the money to add players.
Quote"There are financial resources if [president of baseball operations] Theo [Epstein] needs money to make a deal," said Crane Kenney. "No one I trust more to figure out what to do [than] Theo and [GM] Jed [Hoyer]."
So cute how Crane thinks he's Theo's boss.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 07, 2015, 06:40:30 PM
For some reason it's news (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/cubs-financial-resources-trades.html) that the Cubs have the money to add players.
Quote"There are financial resources if [president of baseball operations] Theo [Epstein] needs money to make a deal," said Crane Kenney. "No one I trust more to figure out what to do [than] Theo and [GM] Jed [Hoyer]."
So cute how Crane thinks he's Theo's boss.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall any time Theo has to listen to Crane.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 08, 2015, 08:21:17 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 07, 2015, 06:40:30 PM
For some reason it's news (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/cubs-financial-resources-trades.html) that the Cubs have the money to add players.
Quote"There are financial resources if [president of baseball operations] Theo [Epstein] needs money to make a deal," said Crane Kenney. "No one I trust more to figure out what to do [than] Theo and [GM] Jed [Hoyer]."
So cute how Crane thinks he's Theo's boss.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall any time Theo has to listen to Crane.
You'd be alone a long time.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 07, 2015, 06:40:30 PM
For some reason it's news (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/cubs-financial-resources-trades.html) that the Cubs have the money to add players.
Quote"There are financial resources if [president of baseball operations] Theo [Epstein] needs money to make a deal," said Crane Kenney. "No one I trust more to figure out what to do [than] Theo and [GM] Jed [Hoyer]."
So cute how Crane thinks he's Theo's boss.
And Gordo naturally took those comments to mean there's no flexibility.
Quote from: Eli on July 08, 2015, 09:05:45 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 07, 2015, 06:40:30 PM
For some reason it's news (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/cubs-financial-resources-trades.html) that the Cubs have the money to add players.
Quote"There are financial resources if [president of baseball operations] Theo [Epstein] needs money to make a deal," said Crane Kenney. "No one I trust more to figure out what to do [than] Theo and [GM] Jed [Hoyer]."
So cute how Crane thinks he's Theo's boss.
And Gordo naturally took those comments to mean there's no flexibility.
I'll say it again: what does the Sun Times gain by having a beat writer who appears to be despised by
1)The team he covers and needs access to
2) The fans who have to read him and hate his bullshit agenda
3) From what I gather, other beat writers ?
This is not a winning strategem IMO. Is this a Mariotti/Skip Bayless thing? Do they think he's so incendiary he draws in readers who read him just to get their hate boners on?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 08, 2015, 08:57:44 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 08, 2015, 08:21:17 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 07, 2015, 06:40:30 PM
For some reason it's news (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/cubs-financial-resources-trades.html) that the Cubs have the money to add players.
Quote"There are financial resources if [president of baseball operations] Theo [Epstein] needs money to make a deal," said Crane Kenney. "No one I trust more to figure out what to do [than] Theo and [GM] Jed [Hoyer]."
So cute how Crane thinks he's Theo's boss.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall any time Theo has to listen to Crane.
You'd be alone a long time.
The only question is if Theo does his wanking motion lefty or righty.
Quote from: SKO on July 08, 2015, 09:10:33 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 08, 2015, 09:05:45 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 07, 2015, 06:40:30 PM
For some reason it's news (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/cubs-financial-resources-trades.html) that the Cubs have the money to add players.
Quote"There are financial resources if [president of baseball operations] Theo [Epstein] needs money to make a deal," said Crane Kenney. "No one I trust more to figure out what to do [than] Theo and [GM] Jed [Hoyer]."
So cute how Crane thinks he's Theo's boss.
And Gordo naturally took those comments to mean there's no flexibility.
I'll say it again: what does the Sun Times gain by having a beat writer who appears to be despised by
1)The team he covers and needs access to
2) The fans who have to read him and hate his bullshit agenda
3) From what I gather, other beat writers ?
This is not a winning strategem IMO. Is this a Mariotti/Skip Bayless thing? Do they think he's so incendiary he draws in readers who read him just to get their hate boners on?
In terms of being incendiary, Wittenmyer isn't even in the same ballpark as Mariotti. He's not even good at being bad.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 07, 2015, 06:40:30 PM
For some reason it's news (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/cubs-financial-resources-trades.html) that the Cubs have the money to add players.
Quote"There are financial resources if [president of baseball operations] Theo [Epstein] needs money to make a deal," said Crane Kenney. "No one I trust more to figure out what to do [than] Theo and [GM] Jed [Hoyer]."
So cute how Crane thinks he's Theo's boss.
I don't really see how that shows Crane thinks he's Theo's boss. He's the president of business operations, right? That would mean he would have control over payroll considerations. Not necessarily what players are on the team, but "Hey, Theo, we can go up to x million in payroll" or if Theo was looking at trade possibilities and he asked Crane "Hey, kind of flexibility do I have with the payroll this year?"... And I'm pretty sure that's what he said there.
Quote from: Yeti on July 08, 2015, 10:31:50 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 07, 2015, 06:40:30 PM
For some reason it's news (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/cubs-financial-resources-trades.html) that the Cubs have the money to add players.
Quote"There are financial resources if [president of baseball operations] Theo [Epstein] needs money to make a deal," said Crane Kenney. "No one I trust more to figure out what to do [than] Theo and [GM] Jed [Hoyer]."
So cute how Crane thinks he's Theo's boss.
I don't really see how that shows Crane thinks he's Theo's boss. He's the president of business operations, right? That would mean he would have control over payroll considerations. Not necessarily what players are on the team, but "Hey, Theo, we can go up to x million in payroll" or if Theo was looking at trade possibilities and he asked Crane "Hey, kind of flexibility do I have with the payroll this year?"... And I'm pretty sure that's what he said there.
And they probably both know what they were told by Tom Ricketts and when they go ask him for stuff they probably need to be on the same page. Crane may be a pudwhack but I don't really see anything wrong with what he said here.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 08, 2015, 10:41:52 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 08, 2015, 10:31:50 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 07, 2015, 06:40:30 PM
For some reason it's news (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/cubs-financial-resources-trades.html) that the Cubs have the money to add players.
Quote"There are financial resources if [president of baseball operations] Theo [Epstein] needs money to make a deal," said Crane Kenney. "No one I trust more to figure out what to do [than] Theo and [GM] Jed [Hoyer]."
So cute how Crane thinks he's Theo's boss.
I don't really see how that shows Crane thinks he's Theo's boss. He's the president of business operations, right? That would mean he would have control over payroll considerations. Not necessarily what players are on the team, but "Hey, Theo, we can go up to x million in payroll" or if Theo was looking at trade possibilities and he asked Crane "Hey, kind of flexibility do I have with the payroll this year?"... And I'm pretty sure that's what he said there.
And they probably both know what they were told by Tom Ricketts and when they go ask him for stuff they probably need to be on the same page. Crane may be a pudwhack but I don't really see anything wrong with what he said here.
He exists and therefore Chuck has to bitch about him.
Quote from: SKO on July 08, 2015, 10:44:54 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 08, 2015, 10:41:52 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 08, 2015, 10:31:50 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 07, 2015, 06:40:30 PM
For some reason it's news (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/cubs-financial-resources-trades.html) that the Cubs have the money to add players.
Quote"There are financial resources if [president of baseball operations] Theo [Epstein] needs money to make a deal," said Crane Kenney. "No one I trust more to figure out what to do [than] Theo and [GM] Jed [Hoyer]."
So cute how Crane thinks he's Theo's boss.
I don't really see how that shows Crane thinks he's Theo's boss. He's the president of business operations, right? That would mean he would have control over payroll considerations. Not necessarily what players are on the team, but "Hey, Theo, we can go up to x million in payroll" or if Theo was looking at trade possibilities and he asked Crane "Hey, kind of flexibility do I have with the payroll this year?"... And I'm pretty sure that's what he said there.
And they probably both know what they were told by Tom Ricketts and when they go ask him for stuff they probably need to be on the same page. Crane may be a pudwhack but I don't really see anything wrong with what he said here.
He exists and therefore Chuck has to bitch about him.
I'm not in on this.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 08, 2015, 11:01:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 08, 2015, 10:44:54 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 08, 2015, 10:41:52 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 08, 2015, 10:31:50 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 07, 2015, 06:40:30 PM
For some reason it's news (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/cubs-financial-resources-trades.html) that the Cubs have the money to add players.
Quote"There are financial resources if [president of baseball operations] Theo [Epstein] needs money to make a deal," said Crane Kenney. "No one I trust more to figure out what to do [than] Theo and [GM] Jed [Hoyer]."
So cute how Crane thinks he's Theo's boss.
I don't really see how that shows Crane thinks he's Theo's boss. He's the president of business operations, right? That would mean he would have control over payroll considerations. Not necessarily what players are on the team, but "Hey, Theo, we can go up to x million in payroll" or if Theo was looking at trade possibilities and he asked Crane "Hey, kind of flexibility do I have with the payroll this year?"... And I'm pretty sure that's what he said there.
And they probably both know what they were told by Tom Ricketts and when they go ask him for stuff they probably need to be on the same page. Crane may be a pudwhack but I don't really see anything wrong with what he said here.
He exists and therefore Chuck has to bitch about him.
I'm not in on this.
Oh wow, you're right, you didn't start it. I saw bitching about Crane and then blacked out and assumed it was you. My bad.
Quote from: SKO on July 08, 2015, 11:04:15 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 08, 2015, 11:01:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 08, 2015, 10:44:54 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 08, 2015, 10:41:52 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 08, 2015, 10:31:50 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 07, 2015, 06:40:30 PM
For some reason it's news (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/cubs-financial-resources-trades.html) that the Cubs have the money to add players.
Quote"There are financial resources if [president of baseball operations] Theo [Epstein] needs money to make a deal," said Crane Kenney. "No one I trust more to figure out what to do [than] Theo and [GM] Jed [Hoyer]."
So cute how Crane thinks he's Theo's boss.
I don't really see how that shows Crane thinks he's Theo's boss. He's the president of business operations, right? That would mean he would have control over payroll considerations. Not necessarily what players are on the team, but "Hey, Theo, we can go up to x million in payroll" or if Theo was looking at trade possibilities and he asked Crane "Hey, kind of flexibility do I have with the payroll this year?"... And I'm pretty sure that's what he said there.
And they probably both know what they were told by Tom Ricketts and when they go ask him for stuff they probably need to be on the same page. Crane may be a pudwhack but I don't really see anything wrong with what he said here.
He exists and therefore Chuck has to bitch about him.
I'm not in on this.
Oh wow, you're right, you didn't start it. I saw bitching about Crane and then blacked out and assumed it was you. My bad.
Crane does have a competency factor: Real estate law and media law. I give him that. Gordo has nothing.
Cubs receive: Snork
Sox get: Vogelbach, Zagunis, Mike Olt or Christian Villanueva, some young, nowhere near major league ready pitcher with some talent
That fair, or is that NSBB level dumb? They get one future DH in Vogelbach, a legitimate-ish outfield prospect in Zagunis who is blocked in every way in Chicago as long as Bryant/Schwarber/McKinney are all in the org, their pick of two guys who might potentially still be capable of being below average major league third basemen (a vast improvement over what they have there), and an arm because these things always require an arm. Hell they can have Carl Edwards, Jr. and I can enjoy Pen and others freaking out over how getting rid of him like it's difficult to find hard-throwing middle relievers with control issues and injury concerns.
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2015, 11:10:58 AM
Cubs receive: Snork
Sox get: Vogelbach, Zagunis, Mike Olt or Christian Villanueva, some young, nowhere near major league ready pitcher with some talent
That fair, or is that NSBB level dumb? They get one future DH in Vogelbach, a legitimate-ish outfield prospect in Zagunis who is blocked in every way in Chicago as long as Bryant/Schwarber/McKinney are all in the org, their pick of two guys who might potentially still be capable of being below average major league third basemen (a vast improvement over what they have there), and an arm because these things always require an arm. Hell they can have Carl Edwards, Jr. and I can enjoy Pen and others freaking out over how getting rid of him like it's difficult to find hard-throwing middle relievers with control issues and injury concerns.
I'm thinking the White Sox would want more than that.
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2015, 11:18:31 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2015, 11:10:58 AM
Cubs receive: Snork
Sox get: Vogelbach, Zagunis, Mike Olt or Christian Villanueva, some young, nowhere near major league ready pitcher with some talent
That fair, or is that NSBB level dumb? They get one future DH in Vogelbach, a legitimate-ish outfield prospect in Zagunis who is blocked in every way in Chicago as long as Bryant/Schwarber/McKinney are all in the org, their pick of two guys who might potentially still be capable of being below average major league third basemen (a vast improvement over what they have there), and an arm because these things always require an arm. Hell they can have Carl Edwards, Jr. and I can enjoy Pen and others freaking out over how getting rid of him like it's difficult to find hard-throwing middle relievers with control issues and injury concerns.
I'm thinking the White Sox would want more than that.
Pierce Johnson, maybe? A starting pitching prospect would probably fatten the deal. I don't know that I'd want the Cubs to go any higher than the names I threw out as far as hitters go (although you could throw Mendy in there as well) for Snork, but I get wanting a starter prospect if you are trading away a starter.
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2015, 11:20:49 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2015, 11:18:31 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2015, 11:10:58 AM
Cubs receive: Snork
Sox get: Vogelbach, Zagunis, Mike Olt or Christian Villanueva, some young, nowhere near major league ready pitcher with some talent
That fair, or is that NSBB level dumb? They get one future DH in Vogelbach, a legitimate-ish outfield prospect in Zagunis who is blocked in every way in Chicago as long as Bryant/Schwarber/McKinney are all in the org, their pick of two guys who might potentially still be capable of being below average major league third basemen (a vast improvement over what they have there), and an arm because these things always require an arm. Hell they can have Carl Edwards, Jr. and I can enjoy Pen and others freaking out over how getting rid of him like it's difficult to find hard-throwing middle relievers with control issues and injury concerns.
I'm thinking the White Sox would want more than that.
Pierce Johnson, maybe? A starting pitching prospect would probably fatten the deal. I don't know that I'd want the Cubs to go any higher than the names I threw out as far as hitters go (although you could throw Mendy in there as well) for Snork, but I get wanting a starter prospect if you are trading away a starter.
I think McKinney is probably a more likely starting point for a discussion. I don't think a collection of Cubs flotsam is going to get it done.
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2015, 11:34:23 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2015, 11:20:49 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2015, 11:18:31 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2015, 11:10:58 AM
Cubs receive: Snork
Sox get: Vogelbach, Zagunis, Mike Olt or Christian Villanueva, some young, nowhere near major league ready pitcher with some talent
That fair, or is that NSBB level dumb? They get one future DH in Vogelbach, a legitimate-ish outfield prospect in Zagunis who is blocked in every way in Chicago as long as Bryant/Schwarber/McKinney are all in the org, their pick of two guys who might potentially still be capable of being below average major league third basemen (a vast improvement over what they have there), and an arm because these things always require an arm. Hell they can have Carl Edwards, Jr. and I can enjoy Pen and others freaking out over how getting rid of him like it's difficult to find hard-throwing middle relievers with control issues and injury concerns.
I'm thinking the White Sox would want more than that.
Pierce Johnson, maybe? A starting pitching prospect would probably fatten the deal. I don't know that I'd want the Cubs to go any higher than the names I threw out as far as hitters go (although you could throw Mendy in there as well) for Snork, but I get wanting a starter prospect if you are trading away a starter.
I think McKinney is probably a more likely starting point for a discussion. I don't think a collection of Cubs flotsam is going to get it done.
I don't think Vogelbach is flotsam if you're talking to an AL team, and Zagunis seems like he could be a potential big league outfielder someday, but yeah you're probably right. Is it weird that I was cool with trading McKinney for Kazmir before all Kazmir's injuries but I don't like the idea of trading him for Snork? That's probably weird.
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2015, 11:34:23 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2015, 11:20:49 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2015, 11:18:31 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2015, 11:10:58 AM
Cubs receive: Snork
Sox get: Vogelbach, Zagunis, Mike Olt or Christian Villanueva, some young, nowhere near major league ready pitcher with some talent
That fair, or is that NSBB level dumb? They get one future DH in Vogelbach, a legitimate-ish outfield prospect in Zagunis who is blocked in every way in Chicago as long as Bryant/Schwarber/McKinney are all in the org, their pick of two guys who might potentially still be capable of being below average major league third basemen (a vast improvement over what they have there), and an arm because these things always require an arm. Hell they can have Carl Edwards, Jr. and I can enjoy Pen and others freaking out over how getting rid of him like it's difficult to find hard-throwing middle relievers with control issues and injury concerns.
I'm thinking the White Sox would want more than that.
Pierce Johnson, maybe? A starting pitching prospect would probably fatten the deal. I don't know that I'd want the Cubs to go any higher than the names I threw out as far as hitters go (although you could throw Mendy in there as well) for Snork, but I get wanting a starter prospect if you are trading away a starter.
I think McKinney is probably a more likely starting point for a discussion. I don't think a collection of Cubs flotsam is going to get it done.
In that scenario, I'd say screw the Sox, then, unless they're ready to talk Chris Sale. Don't cash in your chips for half a season of Jeff Samardzija when your best case scenario for that half season is the SeligCard play-in and there are other starters available on the market.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 13, 2015, 11:45:30 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2015, 11:34:23 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2015, 11:20:49 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2015, 11:18:31 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2015, 11:10:58 AM
Cubs receive: Snork
Sox get: Vogelbach, Zagunis, Mike Olt or Christian Villanueva, some young, nowhere near major league ready pitcher with some talent
That fair, or is that NSBB level dumb? They get one future DH in Vogelbach, a legitimate-ish outfield prospect in Zagunis who is blocked in every way in Chicago as long as Bryant/Schwarber/McKinney are all in the org, their pick of two guys who might potentially still be capable of being below average major league third basemen (a vast improvement over what they have there), and an arm because these things always require an arm. Hell they can have Carl Edwards, Jr. and I can enjoy Pen and others freaking out over how getting rid of him like it's difficult to find hard-throwing middle relievers with control issues and injury concerns.
I'm thinking the White Sox would want more than that.
Pierce Johnson, maybe? A starting pitching prospect would probably fatten the deal. I don't know that I'd want the Cubs to go any higher than the names I threw out as far as hitters go (although you could throw Mendy in there as well) for Snork, but I get wanting a starter prospect if you are trading away a starter.
I think McKinney is probably a more likely starting point for a discussion. I don't think a collection of Cubs flotsam is going to get it done.
In that scenario, I'd say screw the Sox, then, unless they're ready to talk Chris Sale. Don't cash in your chips for half a season of Jeff Samardzija when your best case scenario for that half season is the SeligCard play-in and there are other starters available on the market.
On the other hand, "he was traded twice for Jeff Samardzija" would be a nice bit of trivia about Billy McKinney after he's drank himself to an early grave for being known as the guy traded twice for Jeff Samardzija.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 13, 2015, 11:45:30 AM
In that scenario, I'd say screw the Sox, then, unless they're ready to talk Chris Sale. Don't cash in your chips for half a season of Jeff Samardzija when your best case scenario for that half season is the SeligCard play-in and there are other starters available on the market.
Trading Billy McKinney isn't really "cashing in your chips." He's a nice enough prospect but you're probably not talking about a future star here. The Cubs have like 5 potential left-field options in the coming years. That's the benefit of a deep farm system -- you can trade the McKinneys of the world for actual major-league talent and not lose sleep over it.
And Samardzija (theoretically) helps ensure that you actually make the SeligCard, he provides depth in case something happens to Arrieta/Lester/Hammel/Hendricks, he's a potential weapon out of the bullpen if you get deeper into the playoffs, etc. There's benefit beyond just having a better guy take the hill every 5th day.
Again, who knows who the Sox actually want. I was just speculating.
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2015, 12:11:08 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 13, 2015, 11:45:30 AM
In that scenario, I'd say screw the Sox, then, unless they're ready to talk Chris Sale. Don't cash in your chips for half a season of Jeff Samardzija when your best case scenario for that half season is the SeligCard play-in and there are other starters available on the market.
Trading Billy McKinney isn't really "cashing in your chips." He's a nice enough prospect but you're probably not talking about a future star here. The Cubs have like 5 potential left-field options in the coming years. That's the benefit of a deep farm system -- you can trade the McKinneys of the world for actual major-league talent and not lose sleep over it.
And Samardzija (theoretically) helps ensure that you actually make the SeligCard, he provides depth in case something happens to Arrieta/Lester/Hammel/Hendricks, he's a potential weapon out of the bullpen if you get deeper into the playoffs, etc. There's benefit beyond just having a better guy take the hill every 5th day.
Again, who knows who the Sox actually want. I was just speculating.
I would trade Murton 2.0 to the Sox in a three-way deal that ensured Snork went somewhere other than here. That's how deep the Cubs' farm system is and how much I don't want either player on the big league club.
Team A gets: Snork
White Sox get: Whoever the fuck, Mckinney
Cubs get: PNNSTBNL
Quote from: InternetApex on July 13, 2015, 12:13:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2015, 12:11:08 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 13, 2015, 11:45:30 AM
In that scenario, I'd say screw the Sox, then, unless they're ready to talk Chris Sale. Don't cash in your chips for half a season of Jeff Samardzija when your best case scenario for that half season is the SeligCard play-in and there are other starters available on the market.
Trading Billy McKinney isn't really "cashing in your chips." He's a nice enough prospect but you're probably not talking about a future star here. The Cubs have like 5 potential left-field options in the coming years. That's the benefit of a deep farm system -- you can trade the McKinneys of the world for actual major-league talent and not lose sleep over it.
And Samardzija (theoretically) helps ensure that you actually make the SeligCard, he provides depth in case something happens to Arrieta/Lester/Hammel/Hendricks, he's a potential weapon out of the bullpen if you get deeper into the playoffs, etc. There's benefit beyond just having a better guy take the hill every 5th day.
Again, who knows who the Sox actually want. I was just speculating.
I would trade Murton 2.0 to the Sox in a three-way deal that ensured Snork went somewhere other than here. That's how deep the Cubs' farm system is and how much I don't want either player on the big league club.
Team A gets: Snork
White Sox get: Whoever the fuck, Mckinney
Cubs get: PNNSTBNL
I'm starting to think you're racist against redheads.
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2015, 12:11:08 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 13, 2015, 11:45:30 AM
In that scenario, I'd say screw the Sox, then, unless they're ready to talk Chris Sale. Don't cash in your chips for half a season of Jeff Samardzija when your best case scenario for that half season is the SeligCard play-in and there are other starters available on the market.
Trading Billy McKinney isn't really "cashing in your chips." He's a nice enough prospect but you're probably not talking about a future star here. The Cubs have like 5 potential left-field options in the coming years. That's the benefit of a deep farm system -- you can trade the McKinneys of the world for actual major-league talent and not lose sleep over it.
And Samardzija (theoretically) helps ensure that you actually make the SeligCard, he provides depth in case something happens to Arrieta/Lester/Hammel/Hendricks, he's a potential weapon out of the bullpen if you get deeper into the playoffs, etc. There's benefit beyond just having a better guy take the hill every 5th day.
Again, who knows who the Sox actually want. I was just speculating.
I'm still kind of hoping that the Cubs trade Schwarber and McKinney and some stuff for Hamels, and then use the difference between Hamels salary and the $200 million that a Price or Cueto was going to cost them to sign either Justin Upton to play left or Josh Donaldson to play third (moving Bryant to left). This probably would never happen but in my head it sounds really nice.
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2015, 11:34:23 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2015, 11:20:49 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2015, 11:18:31 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2015, 11:10:58 AM
Cubs receive: Snork
Sox get: Vogelbach, Zagunis, Mike Olt or Christian Villanueva, some young, nowhere near major league ready pitcher with some talent
That fair, or is that NSBB level dumb? They get one future DH in Vogelbach, a legitimate-ish outfield prospect in Zagunis who is blocked in every way in Chicago as long as Bryant/Schwarber/McKinney are all in the org, their pick of two guys who might potentially still be capable of being below average major league third basemen (a vast improvement over what they have there), and an arm because these things always require an arm. Hell they can have Carl Edwards, Jr. and I can enjoy Pen and others freaking out over how getting rid of him like it's difficult to find hard-throwing middle relievers with control issues and injury concerns.
I'm thinking the White Sox would want more than that.
Pierce Johnson, maybe? A starting pitching prospect would probably fatten the deal. I don't know that I'd want the Cubs to go any higher than the names I threw out as far as hitters go (although you could throw Mendy in there as well) for Snork, but I get wanting a starter prospect if you are trading away a starter.
I think McKinney is probably a more likely starting point for a discussion. I don't think a collection of Cubs flotsam is going to get it done.
That's fine, since Happ should leapfrog him in the pecking order fairly quickly.
This is true. The last thing the Cubs should really do right now is overvalue a decent corner outfield prospect. They can buy one, or they can keep finding a way get decent production out of a Coghlan/Denorfia-esque platoon, they have guys like Happ in the system, and presumably in 2 years we'd all want McKinney traded to make room for Eloy Jimenez anyway. Heck they might also still be one of the teams in on Eddy Julio Martinez.
McKinney is expendable.
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2015, 12:18:12 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 13, 2015, 12:13:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2015, 12:11:08 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 13, 2015, 11:45:30 AM
In that scenario, I'd say screw the Sox, then, unless they're ready to talk Chris Sale. Don't cash in your chips for half a season of Jeff Samardzija when your best case scenario for that half season is the SeligCard play-in and there are other starters available on the market.
Trading Billy McKinney isn't really "cashing in your chips." He's a nice enough prospect but you're probably not talking about a future star here. The Cubs have like 5 potential left-field options in the coming years. That's the benefit of a deep farm system -- you can trade the McKinneys of the world for actual major-league talent and not lose sleep over it.
And Samardzija (theoretically) helps ensure that you actually make the SeligCard, he provides depth in case something happens to Arrieta/Lester/Hammel/Hendricks, he's a potential weapon out of the bullpen if you get deeper into the playoffs, etc. There's benefit beyond just having a better guy take the hill every 5th day.
Again, who knows who the Sox actually want. I was just speculating.
I would trade Murton 2.0 to the Sox in a three-way deal that ensured Snork went somewhere other than here. That's how deep the Cubs' farm system is and how much I don't want either player on the big league club.
Team A gets: Snork
White Sox get: Whoever the fuck, Mckinney
Cubs get: PNNSTBNL
I'm starting to think you're racist against redheads.
Maybe I'll send you a sneak peek at my Rick Sutcliffe fan fiction erotica and eliminate this thought of yours.
Papelbon is now just openly asking to be traded to the Cubs.
https://twitter.com/TonyAndracki23/status/620665440902234112
QuotePapelbon said he would love to reunite with Lester on #Cubs. "But the decision is not up to me. Believe me, I wish it was."
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2015, 02:14:15 PM
Papelbon is now just openly asking to be traded to the Cubs.
https://twitter.com/TonyAndracki23/status/620665440902234112
QuotePapelbon said he would love to reunite with Lester on #Cubs. "But the decision is not up to me. Believe me, I wish it was."
Huey just wants to say he's okay with this as long as Schwarber or Baez aren't involved.
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2015, 02:25:53 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2015, 02:14:15 PM
Papelbon is now just openly asking to be traded to the Cubs.
https://twitter.com/TonyAndracki23/status/620665440902234112
QuotePapelbon said he would love to reunite with Lester on #Cubs. "But the decision is not up to me. Believe me, I wish it was."
Huey just wants to say he's okay with this as long as Schwarber or Baez aren't involved.
I don't understand this SticKpOke at all.
Quote from: PANK! on July 13, 2015, 02:29:06 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2015, 02:25:53 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2015, 02:14:15 PM
Papelbon is now just openly asking to be traded to the Cubs.
https://twitter.com/TonyAndracki23/status/620665440902234112
QuotePapelbon said he would love to reunite with Lester on #Cubs. "But the decision is not up to me. Believe me, I wish it was."
Huey just wants to say he's okay with this as long as Schwarber or Baez aren't involved.
I don't understand this SticKpOke at all.
It's a stickpoke to you repeating three or four times that you aren't cool with trading Schwarber or Baez for Snork, which no sane person has ever or would ever suggest.
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2015, 02:14:15 PM
Papelbon is now just openly asking to be traded to the Cubs.
https://twitter.com/TonyAndracki23/status/620665440902234112
QuotePapelbon said he would love to reunite with Lester on #Cubs. "But the decision is not up to me. Believe me, I wish it was."
DPD, not to derail the thread so Huey and I can bicker like old women: this is genuinely hilarious that Papelbon was so blunt about not wanting to be in Philadelphia anymore. It's truly sad that Andy MacPhail might actually make that front office less stupid somehow.
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2015, 02:30:31 PM
Quote from: PANK! on July 13, 2015, 02:29:06 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2015, 02:25:53 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2015, 02:14:15 PM
Papelbon is now just openly asking to be traded to the Cubs.
https://twitter.com/TonyAndracki23/status/620665440902234112
QuotePapelbon said he would love to reunite with Lester on #Cubs. "But the decision is not up to me. Believe me, I wish it was."
Huey just wants to say he's okay with this as long as Schwarber or Baez aren't involved.
I don't understand this SticKpOke at all.
It's a stickpoke to you repeating three or four times that you aren't cool with trading Schwarber or Baez for Snork, which no sane person has ever or would ever suggest.
Someone's blood sugar must be getting low, as he's gettin' all jumpy and trigger-fingery.
I mentioned in
two separate posts (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?action=profile;u=3135;sa=showPosts) that I was opposed to them dealing a blue-chip prospect, though they were part of the same conversation. One might even say I was merely
reiterating my original point--but hey don't let these facts get in the way of your desire to get all chippy for no apparent reason.
It's nice and sunny outside. Why don't you go throw your kid in a stroller and go for a walk, champ? get some fresh air, eh?
Quote from: PANK! on July 13, 2015, 02:37:12 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2015, 02:30:31 PM
Quote from: PANK! on July 13, 2015, 02:29:06 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2015, 02:25:53 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2015, 02:14:15 PM
Papelbon is now just openly asking to be traded to the Cubs.
https://twitter.com/TonyAndracki23/status/620665440902234112
QuotePapelbon said he would love to reunite with Lester on #Cubs. "But the decision is not up to me. Believe me, I wish it was."
Huey just wants to say he's okay with this as long as Schwarber or Baez aren't involved.
I don't understand this SticKpOke at all.
It's a stickpoke to you repeating three or four times that you aren't cool with trading Schwarber or Baez for Snork, which no sane person has ever or would ever suggest.
Someone's blood sugar must be getting low, as he's gettin' all jumpy and trigger-fingery.
I mentioned in two separate posts (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?action=profile;u=3135;sa=showPosts) that I was opposed to them dealing a blue-chip prospect, though they were part of the same conversation. One might even say I was merely reiterating my original point--but hey don't let these facts get in the way of your desire to get all chippy for no apparent reason.
It's nice and sunny outside. Why don't you go throw your kid in a stroller and go for a walk, champ? get some fresh air, eh?
Quote from: PANK! on July 07, 2015, 03:42:45 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 07, 2015, 03:01:31 PM
De-chip-io again today I see.
It really is the essence of this place.
Embrace it.
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2015, 02:43:02 PM
Quote from: PANK! on July 13, 2015, 02:37:12 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2015, 02:30:31 PM
Quote from: PANK! on July 13, 2015, 02:29:06 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2015, 02:25:53 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2015, 02:14:15 PM
Papelbon is now just openly asking to be traded to the Cubs.
https://twitter.com/TonyAndracki23/status/620665440902234112
QuotePapelbon said he would love to reunite with Lester on #Cubs. "But the decision is not up to me. Believe me, I wish it was."
Huey just wants to say he's okay with this as long as Schwarber or Baez aren't involved.
I don't understand this SticKpOke at all.
It's a stickpoke to you repeating three or four times that you aren't cool with trading Schwarber or Baez for Snork, which no sane person has ever or would ever suggest.
Someone's blood sugar must be getting low, as he's gettin' all jumpy and trigger-fingery.
I mentioned in two separate posts (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?action=profile;u=3135;sa=showPosts) that I was opposed to them dealing a blue-chip prospect, though they were part of the same conversation. One might even say I was merely reiterating my original point--but hey don't let these facts get in the way of your desire to get all chippy for no apparent reason.
It's nice and sunny outside. Why don't you go throw your kid in a stroller and go for a walk, champ? get some fresh air, eh?
Quote from: PANK! on July 07, 2015, 03:42:45 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 07, 2015, 03:01:31 PM
De-chip-io again today I see.
It really is the essence of this place.
Embrace it.
NICEAlso, why is Huey assuming that because it's a nice, sunny day in Chicago that it's also a nice, sunny day in Iowa?
Quote from: CT III on July 13, 2015, 06:55:53 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2015, 02:43:02 PM
Quote from: PANK! on July 13, 2015, 02:37:12 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2015, 02:30:31 PM
Quote from: PANK! on July 13, 2015, 02:29:06 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2015, 02:25:53 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2015, 02:14:15 PM
Papelbon is now just openly asking to be traded to the Cubs.
https://twitter.com/TonyAndracki23/status/620665440902234112
QuotePapelbon said he would love to reunite with Lester on #Cubs. "But the decision is not up to me. Believe me, I wish it was."
Huey just wants to say he's okay with this as long as Schwarber or Baez aren't involved.
I don't understand this SticKpOke at all.
It's a stickpoke to you repeating three or four times that you aren't cool with trading Schwarber or Baez for Snork, which no sane person has ever or would ever suggest.
Someone's blood sugar must be getting low, as he's gettin' all jumpy and trigger-fingery.
I mentioned in two separate posts (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?action=profile;u=3135;sa=showPosts) that I was opposed to them dealing a blue-chip prospect, though they were part of the same conversation. One might even say I was merely reiterating my original point--but hey don't let these facts get in the way of your desire to get all chippy for no apparent reason.
It's nice and sunny outside. Why don't you go throw your kid in a stroller and go for a walk, champ? get some fresh air, eh?
Quote from: PANK! on July 07, 2015, 03:42:45 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 07, 2015, 03:01:31 PM
De-chip-io again today I see.
It really is the essence of this place.
Embrace it.
NICE
Also, why is Huey assuming that because it's a nice, sunny day in Chicago that it's also a nice, sunny day in Iowa?
The heat index was like 110 degrees today and my son is 2 months old. I think Huey was trying to get me to kill him, that sick bastard
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2015, 07:41:18 PM
Quote from: CT III on July 13, 2015, 06:55:53 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2015, 02:43:02 PM
Quote from: PANK! on July 13, 2015, 02:37:12 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2015, 02:30:31 PM
Quote from: PANK! on July 13, 2015, 02:29:06 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2015, 02:25:53 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 13, 2015, 02:14:15 PM
Papelbon is now just openly asking to be traded to the Cubs.
https://twitter.com/TonyAndracki23/status/620665440902234112
QuotePapelbon said he would love to reunite with Lester on #Cubs. "But the decision is not up to me. Believe me, I wish it was."
Huey just wants to say he's okay with this as long as Schwarber or Baez aren't involved.
I don't understand this SticKpOke at all.
It's a stickpoke to you repeating three or four times that you aren't cool with trading Schwarber or Baez for Snork, which no sane person has ever or would ever suggest.
Someone's blood sugar must be getting low, as he's gettin' all jumpy and trigger-fingery.
I mentioned in two separate posts (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?action=profile;u=3135;sa=showPosts) that I was opposed to them dealing a blue-chip prospect, though they were part of the same conversation. One might even say I was merely reiterating my original point--but hey don't let these facts get in the way of your desire to get all chippy for no apparent reason.
It's nice and sunny outside. Why don't you go throw your kid in a stroller and go for a walk, champ? get some fresh air, eh?
Quote from: PANK! on July 07, 2015, 03:42:45 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 07, 2015, 03:01:31 PM
De-chip-io again today I see.
It really is the essence of this place.
Embrace it.
NICE
Also, why is Huey assuming that because it's a nice, sunny day in Chicago that it's also a nice, sunny day in Iowa?
The heat index was like 110 degrees today and my son is 2 months old. I think Huey was trying to get me to kill him, that sick bastard
Yeah I made that remark while sitting in my comfortably air-conditioned office. It
looked nice outside.
I just got back from coaching my son's 4-and-5 year old T-Ball practice and if that wasn't tedious enough, doing it in what felt like 250 degree heat with 4000% humidity felt like its own special hell.
I kindly retract my suggestion.
Quote from: PANK! on July 13, 2015, 08:08:46 PM
I just got back from coaching my son's 4-and-5 year old T-Ball practice and if that wasn't tedious enough, doing it in what felt like 250 degree heat with 4000% humidity felt like its own special hell.
The thought of Softball Huey losing his shit at a T-Ball game is absolutely delicious.
I wonder what it would take to pry Carlos Gomez loose from the Brewers. In-division is a problem, but the Cubs' farm system is good enough to get any team's attention these days. And sorry Milwaukee, but it's a hard pass on Garza.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 16, 2015, 04:37:09 AM
I wonder what it would take to pry Carlos Gomez loose from the Brewers. In-division is a problem, but the Cubs' farm system is good enough to get any team's attention these days. And sorry Milwaukee, but it's a hard pass on Garza.
That's a good question. I'd be intrigued by this. Even though he's right-handed so far this year he has a better OPS vs. righties than lefties, so they could platoon him with Dexter. He's also still under team control for next year and would make a better stopgap than most of the options available, and I think we're all pretty hesitant to extend Fowler given how the year has gone so far.
I bet they'd have to give up something of value for him but nothing backbreaking. McKinney, a pitcher of some note (Pierce Johnson? Underwood? I don't really care because there's not room for a kid in the rotation for next year anyway probably and as Pen will tell you pretty soon Dylan Cease and Carson Sands will drink the blood of the nonbelievers so Underwood's expendable), some throw ins.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 16, 2015, 04:37:09 AM
I wonder what it would take to pry Carlos Gomez loose from the Brewers. In-division is a problem, but the Cubs' farm system is good enough to get any team's attention these days. And sorry Milwaukee, but it's a hard pass on Garza.
If the price for Gomez is too high, I still think Parra would be a nice target. But yeah, Gomez would look great setting the table for Rizzo/Bryant/Soler the next two seasons.
Quote from: Eli on July 16, 2015, 08:23:42 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 16, 2015, 04:37:09 AM
I wonder what it would take to pry Carlos Gomez loose from the Brewers. In-division is a problem, but the Cubs' farm system is good enough to get any team's attention these days. And sorry Milwaukee, but it's a hard pass on Garza.
If the price for Gomez is too high, I still think Parra would be a nice target. But yeah, Gomez would look great setting the table for Rizzo/Bryant/Soler the next two seasons.
And then you can move Gomez right as Eddy Julio Martinez or Ian Happ are ready to take over CF. It's gonna hai.
Sidebar: please stop saying the Cubs have a shot at EddyJulio Martinez, anonymous insider people. I don't want my hopes crushed when he goes to the fucking Dodgers. I want the Andruw Jones comp guy. I want him.
Quote from: SKO on July 16, 2015, 08:28:24 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 16, 2015, 08:23:42 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 16, 2015, 04:37:09 AM
I wonder what it would take to pry Carlos Gomez loose from the Brewers. In-division is a problem, but the Cubs' farm system is good enough to get any team's attention these days. And sorry Milwaukee, but it's a hard pass on Garza.
If the price for Gomez is too high, I still think Parra would be a nice target. But yeah, Gomez would look great setting the table for Rizzo/Bryant/Soler the next two seasons.
And then you can move Gomez right as Eddie Julio Martinez or Ian Happ are ready to take over CF. It's gonna hai.
Intrepid Reader: Jorge Soler: And where the hell am I going to play? Defensive End for the Bears?
Quote from: PANK! on July 16, 2015, 08:41:54 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 16, 2015, 08:28:24 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 16, 2015, 08:23:42 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 16, 2015, 04:37:09 AM
I wonder what it would take to pry Carlos Gomez loose from the Brewers. In-division is a problem, but the Cubs' farm system is good enough to get any team's attention these days. And sorry Milwaukee, but it's a hard pass on Garza.
If the price for Gomez is too high, I still think Parra would be a nice target. But yeah, Gomez would look great setting the table for Rizzo/Bryant/Soler the next two seasons.
And then you can move Gomez right as Eddie Julio Martinez or Ian Happ are ready to take over CF. It's gonna hai.
Intrepid Reader: Jorge Soler: And where the hell am I going to play? Defensive End for the Bears?
Oh you thought I meant move Gomez TO right. No I meant you move Gomez to another team when Happ or Martinez are ready for CF in the big leagues. Jorge stays. Forever. Seriously, even on the off chance Jorge should go bust which one of you wants to tell him to go away? I'm not doing it.
Quote from: SKO on July 16, 2015, 07:53:18 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 16, 2015, 04:37:09 AM
I wonder what it would take to pry Carlos Gomez loose from the Brewers. In-division is a problem, but the Cubs' farm system is good enough to get any team's attention these days. And sorry Milwaukee, but it's a hard pass on Garza.
That's a good question. I'd be intrigued by this. Even though he's right-handed so far this year he has a better OPS vs. righties than lefties, so they could platoon him with Dexter. He's also still under team control for next year and would make a better stopgap than most of the options available, and I think we're all pretty hesitant to extend Fowler given how the year has gone so far.
I bet they'd have to give up something of value for him but nothing backbreaking. McKinney, a pitcher of some note (Pierce Johnson? Underwood? I don't really care because there's not room for a kid in the rotation for next year anyway probably and as Pen will tell you pretty soon Dylan Cease and Carson Sands will drink the blood of the nonbelievers so Underwood's expendable), some throw ins.
He had an OPS vs. lefties of .993 in 2013 and .828 last year. He's way too good to be a platoon player.
Maybe they should trade for Cy Leake.
The latest scuttlebutt says the Cubs are one of four frontrunners for Cole Hamels. Brett said they've been pushing Starlin and Baez. But then he has to get in some of his typical neurotic hemming and hawing so he can never be technically wrong about something he wrote:
Quote*(The phrasing in the article could be read as the Cubs trying to package both Castro and Baez, but that's almost certainly not what the intention is. Sometimes "and" can be a tricky conjunction, meaning something closer to "or." I think that's the case here.)
Despite that disclaimer, wouldn't you trade Castro and Baez for Hamels? If that's all I had to give up, I think I would. Hamels is worth that, no?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 22, 2015, 03:44:39 PM
The latest scuttlebutt says the Cubs are one of four frontrunners for Cole Hamels. Brett said they've been pushing Starlin and Baez. But then he has to get in some of his typical neurotic hemming and hawing so he can never be technically wrong about something he wrote:
Quote*(The phrasing in the article could be read as the Cubs trying to package both Castro and Baez, but that's almost certainly not what the intention is. Sometimes "and" can be a tricky conjunction, meaning something closer to "or." I think that's the case here.)
Despite that disclaimer, wouldn't you trade Castro and Baez for Hamels? If that's all I had to give up, I think I would. Hamels is worth that, no?
Even I would do that. But I don't see how the Phillies couldn't do better elsewhere.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 22, 2015, 03:47:25 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 22, 2015, 03:44:39 PM
The latest scuttlebutt says the Cubs are one of four frontrunners for Cole Hamels. Brett said they've been pushing Starlin and Baez. But then he has to get in some of his typical neurotic hemming and hawing so he can never be technically wrong about something he wrote:
Quote*(The phrasing in the article could be read as the Cubs trying to package both Castro and Baez, but that's almost certainly not what the intention is. Sometimes "and" can be a tricky conjunction, meaning something closer to "or." I think that's the case here.)
Despite that disclaimer, wouldn't you trade Castro and Baez for Hamels? If that's all I had to give up, I think I would. Hamels is worth that, no?
Even I would do that. But I don't see how the Phillies couldn't do better elsewhere.
If they are looking for quantity, probably. But could they get one guy with as high a ceiling as Baez?
Quote from: InternetApex on July 22, 2015, 03:47:25 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 22, 2015, 03:44:39 PM
The latest scuttlebutt says the Cubs are one of four frontrunners for Cole Hamels. Brett said they've been pushing Starlin and Baez. But then he has to get in some of his typical neurotic hemming and hawing so he can never be technically wrong about something he wrote:
Quote*(The phrasing in the article could be read as the Cubs trying to package both Castro and Baez, but that's almost certainly not what the intention is. Sometimes "and" can be a tricky conjunction, meaning something closer to "or." I think that's the case here.)
Despite that disclaimer, wouldn't you trade Castro and Baez for Hamels? If that's all I had to give up, I think I would. Hamels is worth that, no?
Even I would do that. But I don't see how the Phillies couldn't do better elsewhere.
From MLBTR:
QuoteA pair of AL execs opined that the Phillies will be able to get back at least one "huge prospect [for Hamels]."
Baez should have just as much if not more upside than anyone the Phillies would be able to get, right? Just because Javy struggled in his first call-up as a rookie doesn't mean he still doesn't have electric power potential. And his playing better at Triple-A might help the Phillies dream on him a little bit (Baez certainly strikes me as more of a MacPhail guy than a Theo guy, for what that's worth.) Add Castro on top of that and that might come close to a reasonable return for Hamels. If the reports that say league interest in Papelbon is cooling are true, throw him in there too since the Cubs can definitely use him, then if you convince Philly to eat enough money to facilitate a run at David Price in the offseason you can let them have another top 100, top 150 prospect. Then you still have plenty of pieces to find a bat. I'm not a huge fan of selling low on Castro but if it gets you Hamels and Papelbon and gets his dead bat out of the lineup it might be worth it. Deal?
Cubs trade: Castro AND Baez, along with Underwood and Vogelbach and maybe some others, for Hamels and Papelbon's full contract.
Cubs Trade: Billy McKinney back to Oakland for Zobrist.
Cubs as of August 1st:
Fowler CF
Zobrist 2B
Rizzo 1B
Bryant 3B
Schwarber C
Soler RF
Chris Platoon LF
Pitcher
Russell SS
Rotation:
Arrieta
Lester
Hamels
Hammel
Hendricks
Bullpen:
Papelbon
Rondon
Strop
Motte
Strop
Ramirez
Russell
Wood (DFA Soriano)
Zobrist is allowed to walk in the offseason as the defending champion Cubs sign Howie Kendrick to a two year deal to play 2B until Ian Happ takes over.
IT'S GONNA HAI.
Quote from: SKO on July 23, 2015, 08:28:44 AM
Cubs trade: Castro AND Baez, along with Underwood and Vogelbach and maybe some others, for Hamels and Papelbon's full contract.
Cubs Trade: Billy McKinney back to Oakland for Zobrist.
Cubs as of August 1st:
Fowler CF
Zobrist 2B
Rizzo 1B
Bryant 3B
Schwarber C
Soler RF
Chris Platoon LF
Pitcher
Russell SS
Rotation:
Arrieta
Lester
Hamels
Hammel
Hendricks
Bullpen:
Papelbon
Rondon
Strop
Motte
Strop
Ramirez
Russell
Wood (DFA Soriano)
Zobrist is allowed to walk in the offseason as the defending champion Cubs sign Howie Kendrick to a two year deal to play 2B until Ian Happ takes over.
IT'S GONNA HAI.
You either really love Strop or you really hate him.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 23, 2015, 08:45:51 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 23, 2015, 08:28:44 AM
Cubs trade: Castro AND Baez, along with Underwood and Vogelbach and maybe some others, for Hamels and Papelbon's full contract.
Cubs Trade: Billy McKinney back to Oakland for Zobrist.
Cubs as of August 1st:
Fowler CF
Zobrist 2B
Rizzo 1B
Bryant 3B
Schwarber C
Soler RF
Chris Platoon LF
Pitcher
Russell SS
Rotation:
Arrieta
Lester
Hamels
Hammel
Hendricks
Bullpen:
Papelbon
Rondon
Strop
Motte
Strop
Ramirez
Russell
Wood (DFA Soriano)
Zobrist is allowed to walk in the offseason as the defending champion Cubs sign Howie Kendrick to a two year deal to play 2B until Ian Happ takes over.
IT'S GONNA HAI.
You either really love Strop or you really hate him.
The two Strop bullpen is the best idea since the 50 Theriot roster and I'll not have you nay saying.
Quote from: SKO on July 23, 2015, 08:50:48 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 23, 2015, 08:45:51 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 23, 2015, 08:28:44 AM
Cubs trade: Castro AND Baez, along with Underwood and Vogelbach and maybe some others, for Hamels and Papelbon's full contract.
Cubs Trade: Billy McKinney back to Oakland for Zobrist.
Cubs as of August 1st:
Fowler CF
Zobrist 2B
Rizzo 1B
Bryant 3B
Schwarber C
Soler RF
Chris Platoon LF
Pitcher
Russell SS
Rotation:
Arrieta
Lester
Hamels
Hammel
Hendricks
Bullpen:
Papelbon
Rondon
Strop
Motte
Strop
Ramirez
Russell
Wood (DFA Soriano)
Zobrist is allowed to walk in the offseason as the defending champion Cubs sign Howie Kendrick to a two year deal to play 2B until Ian Happ takes over.
IT'S GONNA HAI.
You either really love Strop or you really hate him.
The two Strop bullpen is the best idea since the 50 Theriot roster and I'll not have you nay saying.
Oh, so you have another Strop up your sleeve. Well, that's brilliant. I thought you were going to double his workload but this checks out.
Joe Sheehan on the depressing Starlin Castro situation.
QuoteJavier Baez's broken left fing finger was poorly timed not just for him, but for the Cubs, who are playing a zero at shortstop. Starlin Castro is actually worse than that, posting a -0.9 bWAR on the back of a .272 OBP and below-average defense at shortstop. It's the second disastrous season in three for a 25-year-old who may be the most frustrating player in baseball.
Castro was a good player at 20 and, three years into his career, was legitimately on a Hall of Fame track: 529 hits, 8.0 bWAR, clear improvement in the field and at the plate. Since then...look at the numbers.
Starlin Castro's Career
PA AVG OBP SLG SB CS dWAR
2010-12 1912 .297 .336 .425 57 30 1.2
2013-15 1663 .259 .300 .369 17 13 -0.3
The Cubs needed Castro to build on last year so that he'd be an attractive trade chip. Four months ago, Castro looked like someone who could be a shortstop for a contender through his peak, one signed to a team-friendly deal paying less than $10M a year through 2019. Now, he looks like Elvis Andrus with less speed and defense. The Cubs had three shortstops not long ago. Now they have an albatross, a rushed rookie not hitting at second base, and a guy on the minor-league DL.
This is already a problem, because it doesn't take much watching the Cubs to realize that they've got their middle infield backwards. Addison Russell has been great at second base, in part because he's a good shortstop playing over there. He's much better than Castro with the glove, and he's playing out of position because Castro was born sooner. That's fine for half a season or so, but eventually, the Cubs are going to have to commit to the player who actually will be part of their core in 2018, even if it means pissing off the player who won't be.
Castro likely won't be traded until the offseason; he's played terribly and, with Baez hurt, the Cubs don't have the logjam they might have had otherwise. However, they can't go into 2016 with Russell at second base and Baez in the minors. It's bad for Russell and bad for the organization. I'm not sure what Castro can be at this point, but I'm sure what he can't be: a Cub.
Three ideas, and I'm not saying any of these are deadline deals or even doable:
1) Castro to the Padres for Ian Kennedy
2) Castro to the White Sox for Alexei Ramirez and Jeff Samardzija
3) Castro to the Twins for Aaron Hicks and Alex Meyer
I've decided that if you can get Price for any combo of guys without losing Baez (assume anyone on the ML roster that we care about is staying) that the Cubs should do it.
Having him in the rotation, playing for Maddon, playing in a raucous Wrigley Field down the stretch, would probably hit all the right notes. It would allow them to start talking about a possible extension early, as well.
I want to keep Baez pretty badly - but I guess if it was Baez for Price straight up I'd have to think pretty hard about that, too.
Quote from: Slaky on July 23, 2015, 09:03:37 AM
I've decided that if you can get Price for any combo of guys without losing Baez (assume anyone on the ML roster that we care about is staying) that the Cubs should do it.
Having him in the rotation, playing for Maddon, playing in a raucous Wrigley Field down the stretch, would probably hit all the right notes. It would allow them to start talking about a possible extension early, as well.
I want to keep Baez pretty badly - but I guess if it was Baez for Price straight up I'd have to think pretty hard about that, too.
They'd still probably need a bat. Who you got? I'd be talking to Milwaukee about either Gomez so I don't have to watch Fowler suck anymore or Parra so I can start wringing every shred of value out of his career year. Cespedes will probably cost too much.
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2015, 09:02:30 AM
Joe Sheehan on the depressing Starlin Castro situation.
QuoteJavier Baez's broken left fing finger was poorly timed not just for him, but for the Cubs, who are playing a zero at shortstop. Starlin Castro is actually worse than that, posting a -0.9 bWAR on the back of a .272 OBP and below-average defense at shortstop. It's the second disastrous season in three for a 25-year-old who may be the most frustrating player in baseball.
Castro was a good player at 20 and, three years into his career, was legitimately on a Hall of Fame track: 529 hits, 8.0 bWAR, clear improvement in the field and at the plate. Since then...look at the numbers.
Starlin Castro's Career
PA AVG OBP SLG SB CS dWAR
2010-12 1912 .297 .336 .425 57 30 1.2
2013-15 1663 .259 .300 .369 17 13 -0.3
The Cubs needed Castro to build on last year so that he'd be an attractive trade chip. Four months ago, Castro looked like someone who could be a shortstop for a contender through his peak, one signed to a team-friendly deal paying less than $10M a year through 2019. Now, he looks like Elvis Andrus with less speed and defense. The Cubs had three shortstops not long ago. Now they have an albatross, a rushed rookie not hitting at second base, and a guy on the minor-league DL.
This is already a problem, because it doesn't take much watching the Cubs to realize that they've got their middle infield backwards. Addison Russell has been great at second base, in part because he's a good shortstop playing over there. He's much better than Castro with the glove, and he's playing out of position because Castro was born sooner. That's fine for half a season or so, but eventually, the Cubs are going to have to commit to the player who actually will be part of their core in 2018, even if it means pissing off the player who won't be.
Castro likely won't be traded until the offseason; he's played terribly and, with Baez hurt, the Cubs don't have the logjam they might have had otherwise. However, they can't go into 2016 with Russell at second base and Baez in the minors. It's bad for Russell and bad for the organization. I'm not sure what Castro can be at this point, but I'm sure what he can't be: a Cub.
Three ideas, and I'm not saying any of these are deadline deals or even doable:
1) Castro to the Padres for Ian Kennedy
2) Castro to the White Sox for Alexei Ramirez and Jeff Samardzija
3) Castro to the Twins for Aaron Hicks and Alex Meyer
DPD. Was Russell rushed? And if he was, is keeping him up going to (deep breath) (whispers) Corey Patterson him?
Quote from: Slaky on July 23, 2015, 09:03:37 AM
I've decided that if you can get Price for any combo of guys without losing Baez (assume anyone on the ML roster that we care about is staying) that the Cubs should do it.
Having him in the rotation, playing for Maddon, playing in a raucous Wrigley Field down the stretch, would probably hit all the right notes. It would allow them to start talking about a possible extension early, as well.
I want to keep Baez pretty badly - but I guess if it was Baez for Price straight up I'd have to think pretty hard about that, too.
don't think Jepstink move on Price without an extension already in the works. They could just as easily get Hamels, who is already signed for a while.
The upside to moving on Price is that a package with Vogelbach has more value to an AL team.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2015, 09:24:21 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2015, 09:02:30 AM
Joe Sheehan on the depressing Starlin Castro situation.
QuoteJavier Baez's broken left fing finger was poorly timed not just for him, but for the Cubs, who are playing a zero at shortstop. Starlin Castro is actually worse than that, posting a -0.9 bWAR on the back of a .272 OBP and below-average defense at shortstop. It's the second disastrous season in three for a 25-year-old who may be the most frustrating player in baseball.
Castro was a good player at 20 and, three years into his career, was legitimately on a Hall of Fame track: 529 hits, 8.0 bWAR, clear improvement in the field and at the plate. Since then...look at the numbers.
Starlin Castro's Career
PA AVG OBP SLG SB CS dWAR
2010-12 1912 .297 .336 .425 57 30 1.2
2013-15 1663 .259 .300 .369 17 13 -0.3
The Cubs needed Castro to build on last year so that he'd be an attractive trade chip. Four months ago, Castro looked like someone who could be a shortstop for a contender through his peak, one signed to a team-friendly deal paying less than $10M a year through 2019. Now, he looks like Elvis Andrus with less speed and defense. The Cubs had three shortstops not long ago. Now they have an albatross, a rushed rookie not hitting at second base, and a guy on the minor-league DL.
This is already a problem, because it doesn't take much watching the Cubs to realize that they've got their middle infield backwards. Addison Russell has been great at second base, in part because he's a good shortstop playing over there. He's much better than Castro with the glove, and he's playing out of position because Castro was born sooner. That's fine for half a season or so, but eventually, the Cubs are going to have to commit to the player who actually will be part of their core in 2018, even if it means pissing off the player who won't be.
Castro likely won't be traded until the offseason; he's played terribly and, with Baez hurt, the Cubs don't have the logjam they might have had otherwise. However, they can't go into 2016 with Russell at second base and Baez in the minors. It's bad for Russell and bad for the organization. I'm not sure what Castro can be at this point, but I'm sure what he can't be: a Cub.
Three ideas, and I'm not saying any of these are deadline deals or even doable:
1) Castro to the Padres for Ian Kennedy
2) Castro to the White Sox for Alexei Ramirez and Jeff Samardzija
3) Castro to the Twins for Aaron Hicks and Alex Meyer
DPD. Was Russell rushed? And if he was, is keeping him up going to (deep breath) (whispers) Corey Patterson him?
I don't think it's a reach to say that the plan for this year was to have Baez as your plan A at 2B with La Stella as your plan B, with Russell getting a bit more time in the minors. It's definitely arguable to say that he was "rushed" - the adjustments he's made of late would counter that - but I do think he was called up out of necessity and maybe wasn't fully ripe.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2015, 09:24:21 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2015, 09:02:30 AM
Joe Sheehan on the depressing Starlin Castro situation.
QuoteJavier Baez's broken left fing finger was poorly timed not just for him, but for the Cubs, who are playing a zero at shortstop. Starlin Castro is actually worse than that, posting a -0.9 bWAR on the back of a .272 OBP and below-average defense at shortstop. It's the second disastrous season in three for a 25-year-old who may be the most frustrating player in baseball.
Castro was a good player at 20 and, three years into his career, was legitimately on a Hall of Fame track: 529 hits, 8.0 bWAR, clear improvement in the field and at the plate. Since then...look at the numbers.
Starlin Castro's Career
PA AVG OBP SLG SB CS dWAR
2010-12 1912 .297 .336 .425 57 30 1.2
2013-15 1663 .259 .300 .369 17 13 -0.3
The Cubs needed Castro to build on last year so that he'd be an attractive trade chip. Four months ago, Castro looked like someone who could be a shortstop for a contender through his peak, one signed to a team-friendly deal paying less than $10M a year through 2019. Now, he looks like Elvis Andrus with less speed and defense. The Cubs had three shortstops not long ago. Now they have an albatross, a rushed rookie not hitting at second base, and a guy on the minor-league DL.
This is already a problem, because it doesn't take much watching the Cubs to realize that they've got their middle infield backwards. Addison Russell has been great at second base, in part because he's a good shortstop playing over there. He's much better than Castro with the glove, and he's playing out of position because Castro was born sooner. That's fine for half a season or so, but eventually, the Cubs are going to have to commit to the player who actually will be part of their core in 2018, even if it means pissing off the player who won't be.
Castro likely won't be traded until the offseason; he's played terribly and, with Baez hurt, the Cubs don't have the logjam they might have had otherwise. However, they can't go into 2016 with Russell at second base and Baez in the minors. It's bad for Russell and bad for the organization. I'm not sure what Castro can be at this point, but I'm sure what he can't be: a Cub.
Three ideas, and I'm not saying any of these are deadline deals or even doable:
1) Castro to the Padres for Ian Kennedy
2) Castro to the White Sox for Alexei Ramirez and Jeff Samardzija
3) Castro to the Twins for Aaron Hicks and Alex Meyer
DPD. Was Russell rushed? And if he was, is keeping him up going to (deep breath) (whispers) Corey Patterson him?
He could maybe have used some more time in AAA, but I doubt it'll have any effect on his long term career. Unlike Patterson he posted respectable minor league numbers above A Ball, and his promotions all were earned. Also, while it hasn't been a straight linear progression, he's improved overall as the season has gone along. His May was downright excellent, and his K% has gone down and BB% gone up each month. He's got a .469 OBP in his last 9 games. I've said it before but there's really nothing wrong with him that I think can be fixed by anything other than seeing a lot of big league pitches and figuring out what to do with them, and he is.
Quote from: SKO on July 23, 2015, 09:34:53 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2015, 09:24:21 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2015, 09:02:30 AM
Joe Sheehan on the depressing Starlin Castro situation.
QuoteJavier Baez's broken left fing finger was poorly timed not just for him, but for the Cubs, who are playing a zero at shortstop. Starlin Castro is actually worse than that, posting a -0.9 bWAR on the back of a .272 OBP and below-average defense at shortstop. It's the second disastrous season in three for a 25-year-old who may be the most frustrating player in baseball.
Castro was a good player at 20 and, three years into his career, was legitimately on a Hall of Fame track: 529 hits, 8.0 bWAR, clear improvement in the field and at the plate. Since then...look at the numbers.
Starlin Castro's Career
PA AVG OBP SLG SB CS dWAR
2010-12 1912 .297 .336 .425 57 30 1.2
2013-15 1663 .259 .300 .369 17 13 -0.3
The Cubs needed Castro to build on last year so that he'd be an attractive trade chip. Four months ago, Castro looked like someone who could be a shortstop for a contender through his peak, one signed to a team-friendly deal paying less than $10M a year through 2019. Now, he looks like Elvis Andrus with less speed and defense. The Cubs had three shortstops not long ago. Now they have an albatross, a rushed rookie not hitting at second base, and a guy on the minor-league DL.
This is already a problem, because it doesn't take much watching the Cubs to realize that they've got their middle infield backwards. Addison Russell has been great at second base, in part because he's a good shortstop playing over there. He's much better than Castro with the glove, and he's playing out of position because Castro was born sooner. That's fine for half a season or so, but eventually, the Cubs are going to have to commit to the player who actually will be part of their core in 2018, even if it means pissing off the player who won't be.
Castro likely won't be traded until the offseason; he's played terribly and, with Baez hurt, the Cubs don't have the logjam they might have had otherwise. However, they can't go into 2016 with Russell at second base and Baez in the minors. It's bad for Russell and bad for the organization. I'm not sure what Castro can be at this point, but I'm sure what he can't be: a Cub.
Three ideas, and I'm not saying any of these are deadline deals or even doable:
1) Castro to the Padres for Ian Kennedy
2) Castro to the White Sox for Alexei Ramirez and Jeff Samardzija
3) Castro to the Twins for Aaron Hicks and Alex Meyer
DPD. Was Russell rushed? And if he was, is keeping him up going to (deep breath) (whispers) Corey Patterson him?
He could maybe have used some more time in AAA, but I doubt it'll have any effect on his long term career. Unlike Patterson he posted respectable minor league numbers above A Ball, and his promotions all were earned. Also, while it hasn't been a straight linear progression, he's improved overall as the season has gone along. His May was downright excellent, and his K% has gone down and BB% gone up each month. He's got a .469 OBP in his last 9 games. I've said it before but there's really nothing wrong with him that I think can be fixed by anything other than seeing a lot of big league pitches and figuring out what to do with them, and he is.
Not to mention Russell actually plays for a Cubs team that stresses OPB, as opposed to Patterson's team, which was happy with a grip-it-and-rip-it approach.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 23, 2015, 10:02:00 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 23, 2015, 09:34:53 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2015, 09:24:21 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2015, 09:02:30 AM
Joe Sheehan on the depressing Starlin Castro situation.
QuoteJavier Baez's broken left fing finger was poorly timed not just for him, but for the Cubs, who are playing a zero at shortstop. Starlin Castro is actually worse than that, posting a -0.9 bWAR on the back of a .272 OBP and below-average defense at shortstop. It's the second disastrous season in three for a 25-year-old who may be the most frustrating player in baseball.
Castro was a good player at 20 and, three years into his career, was legitimately on a Hall of Fame track: 529 hits, 8.0 bWAR, clear improvement in the field and at the plate. Since then...look at the numbers.
Starlin Castro's Career
PA AVG OBP SLG SB CS dWAR
2010-12 1912 .297 .336 .425 57 30 1.2
2013-15 1663 .259 .300 .369 17 13 -0.3
The Cubs needed Castro to build on last year so that he'd be an attractive trade chip. Four months ago, Castro looked like someone who could be a shortstop for a contender through his peak, one signed to a team-friendly deal paying less than $10M a year through 2019. Now, he looks like Elvis Andrus with less speed and defense. The Cubs had three shortstops not long ago. Now they have an albatross, a rushed rookie not hitting at second base, and a guy on the minor-league DL.
This is already a problem, because it doesn't take much watching the Cubs to realize that they've got their middle infield backwards. Addison Russell has been great at second base, in part because he's a good shortstop playing over there. He's much better than Castro with the glove, and he's playing out of position because Castro was born sooner. That's fine for half a season or so, but eventually, the Cubs are going to have to commit to the player who actually will be part of their core in 2018, even if it means pissing off the player who won't be.
Castro likely won't be traded until the offseason; he's played terribly and, with Baez hurt, the Cubs don't have the logjam they might have had otherwise. However, they can't go into 2016 with Russell at second base and Baez in the minors. It's bad for Russell and bad for the organization. I'm not sure what Castro can be at this point, but I'm sure what he can't be: a Cub.
Three ideas, and I'm not saying any of these are deadline deals or even doable:
1) Castro to the Padres for Ian Kennedy
2) Castro to the White Sox for Alexei Ramirez and Jeff Samardzija
3) Castro to the Twins for Aaron Hicks and Alex Meyer
DPD. Was Russell rushed? And if he was, is keeping him up going to (deep breath) (whispers) Corey Patterson him?
He could maybe have used some more time in AAA, but I doubt it'll have any effect on his long term career. Unlike Patterson he posted respectable minor league numbers above A Ball, and his promotions all were earned. Also, while it hasn't been a straight linear progression, he's improved overall as the season has gone along. His May was downright excellent, and his K% has gone down and BB% gone up each month. He's got a .469 OBP in his last 9 games. I've said it before but there's really nothing wrong with him that I think can be fixed by anything other than seeing a lot of big league pitches and figuring out what to do with them, and he is.
Not to mention Russell actually plays for a Cubs team that stresses OPB, as opposed to Patterson's team, which was happy with a grip-it-and-rip-it approach.
More this than anything. Also playing for Madden helps in some way nobody can quantify but people who know stuff talk about.
Astros acquire Scott Kazmir.
Oakland gets righty Daniel Mengden and catcher Jacob Nottingham, neither of whom I know the first thing about.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2015, 12:39:43 PM
Astros acquire Scott Kazmir.
Oakland gets righty Daniel Mengden and catcher Jacob Nottingham, neither of whom I know the first thing about.
Both are in A ball. High risk, high reward, ranked #19 and #22 in the Astros farm system. If that's gonna set the market I like the Cubs chances of landing something good without giving up a Baez.
Quote from: SKO on July 23, 2015, 12:40:46 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2015, 12:39:43 PM
Astros acquire Scott Kazmir.
Oakland gets righty Daniel Mengden and catcher Jacob Nottingham, neither of whom I know the first thing about.
Both are in A ball. High risk, high reward, ranked #19 and #22 in the Astros farm system. If that's gonna set the market I like the Cubs chances of landing something good without giving up a Baez.
Just came back from Houston's MLB Pipeline portal to post the same thing. Assuming the systems are roughly equal, which most do, that would have been Jacob Hannemann and something called Daury Torrez from the Cubs for two, but hopefully three, months of Kazmir.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2015, 12:46:55 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 23, 2015, 12:40:46 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2015, 12:39:43 PM
Astros acquire Scott Kazmir.
Oakland gets righty Daniel Mengden and catcher Jacob Nottingham, neither of whom I know the first thing about.
Both are in A ball. High risk, high reward, ranked #19 and #22 in the Astros farm system. If that's gonna set the market I like the Cubs chances of landing something good without giving up a Baez.
Just came back from Houston's MLB Pipeline portal to post the same thing. Assuming the systems are roughly equal, which most do, that would have been Jacob Hannemann and something called Daury Torrez from the Cubs for two, but hopefully three, months of Kazmir.
Hannemann is the meh outfielder and Mormon who knocks back Shirley Temples and optoats with Kris Bryant and PANK. And I had literally never heard of Daury until five minutes ago. Sorry, Daury.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2015, 12:50:51 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2015, 12:46:55 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 23, 2015, 12:40:46 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2015, 12:39:43 PM
Astros acquire Scott Kazmir.
Oakland gets righty Daniel Mengden and catcher Jacob Nottingham, neither of whom I know the first thing about.
Both are in A ball. High risk, high reward, ranked #19 and #22 in the Astros farm system. If that's gonna set the market I like the Cubs chances of landing something good without giving up a Baez.
Just came back from Houston's MLB Pipeline portal to post the same thing. Assuming the systems are roughly equal, which most do, that would have been Jacob Hannemann and something called Daury Torrez from the Cubs for two, but hopefully three, months of Kazmir.
Hannemann is the meh outfielder and Mormon who knocks back Shirley Temples and optoats with Kris Bryant and PANK. And I had literally never heard of Daury until five minutes ago. Sorry, Daury.
To be fair Nottignham is a catcher who is absolutely raking and would probably be ranked higher than that today, but yeah, it's still not an overwhelming return. Cubs should do well if that's where the market starts
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2015, 12:50:51 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2015, 12:46:55 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 23, 2015, 12:40:46 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2015, 12:39:43 PM
Astros acquire Scott Kazmir.
Oakland gets righty Daniel Mengden and catcher Jacob Nottingham, neither of whom I know the first thing about.
Both are in A ball. High risk, high reward, ranked #19 and #22 in the Astros farm system. If that's gonna set the market I like the Cubs chances of landing something good without giving up a Baez.
Just came back from Houston's MLB Pipeline portal to post the same thing. Assuming the systems are roughly equal, which most do, that would have been Jacob Hannemann and something called Daury Torrez from the Cubs for two, but hopefully three, months of Kazmir.
Hannemann is the meh outfielder and Mormon who knocks back Shirley Temples and optoats with Kris Bryant and PANK. And I had literally never heard of Daury until five minutes ago. Sorry, Daury.
Hannemann sucks and is old. Pen will back me up
Quote from: SKO on July 23, 2015, 12:57:00 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2015, 12:50:51 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2015, 12:46:55 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 23, 2015, 12:40:46 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2015, 12:39:43 PM
Astros acquire Scott Kazmir.
Oakland gets righty Daniel Mengden and catcher Jacob Nottingham, neither of whom I know the first thing about.
Both are in A ball. High risk, high reward, ranked #19 and #22 in the Astros farm system. If that's gonna set the market I like the Cubs chances of landing something good without giving up a Baez.
Just came back from Houston's MLB Pipeline portal to post the same thing. Assuming the systems are roughly equal, which most do, that would have been Jacob Hannemann and something called Daury Torrez from the Cubs for two, but hopefully three, months of Kazmir.
Hannemann is the meh outfielder and Mormon who knocks back Shirley Temples and optoats with Kris Bryant and PANK. And I had literally never heard of Daury until five minutes ago. Sorry, Daury.
To be fair Nottignham is a catcher who is absolutely raking and would probably be ranked higher than that today, but yeah, it's still not an overwhelming return. Cubs should do well if that's where the market starts
Nottingham's numbers in the Midwest League are impressive - it typically plays right down the middle between offense and defense. Cal League, less so, because it heavily favors offense. That 1:3 BB:SO ratio might spell trouble for him, though. And 6'3 sounds pretty rare for a catcher so I'm not sure he sticks there long-term but like Schwarber, might as well keep him there as long as you can. Finally he's young for the level at only 20. Him alone would have been a nice return, but fortunately the Cubs are lousy with guys like that.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2015, 01:16:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 23, 2015, 12:57:00 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2015, 12:50:51 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2015, 12:46:55 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 23, 2015, 12:40:46 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2015, 12:39:43 PM
Astros acquire Scott Kazmir.
Oakland gets righty Daniel Mengden and catcher Jacob Nottingham, neither of whom I know the first thing about.
Both are in A ball. High risk, high reward, ranked #19 and #22 in the Astros farm system. If that's gonna set the market I like the Cubs chances of landing something good without giving up a Baez.
Just came back from Houston's MLB Pipeline portal to post the same thing. Assuming the systems are roughly equal, which most do, that would have been Jacob Hannemann and something called Daury Torrez from the Cubs for two, but hopefully three, months of Kazmir.
Hannemann is the meh outfielder and Mormon who knocks back Shirley Temples and optoats with Kris Bryant and PANK. And I had literally never heard of Daury until five minutes ago. Sorry, Daury.
To be fair Nottignham is a catcher who is absolutely raking and would probably be ranked higher than that today, but yeah, it's still not an overwhelming return. Cubs should do well if that's where the market starts
Nottingham's numbers in the Midwest League are impressive - it typically plays right down the middle between offense and defense. Cal League, less so, because it heavily favors offense. That 1:3 BB:SO ratio might spell trouble for him, though. And 6'3 sounds pretty rare for a catcher so I'm not sure he sticks there long-term but like Schwarber, might as well keep him there as long as you can. Finally he's young for the level at only 20. Him alone would have been a nice return, but fortunately the Cubs are lousy with guys like that.
I'll reserve judgment until I know his BMI.
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2015, 01:20:56 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2015, 01:16:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 23, 2015, 12:57:00 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2015, 12:50:51 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2015, 12:46:55 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 23, 2015, 12:40:46 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2015, 12:39:43 PM
Astros acquire Scott Kazmir.
Oakland gets righty Daniel Mengden and catcher Jacob Nottingham, neither of whom I know the first thing about.
Both are in A ball. High risk, high reward, ranked #19 and #22 in the Astros farm system. If that's gonna set the market I like the Cubs chances of landing something good without giving up a Baez.
Just came back from Houston's MLB Pipeline portal to post the same thing. Assuming the systems are roughly equal, which most do, that would have been Jacob Hannemann and something called Daury Torrez from the Cubs for two, but hopefully three, months of Kazmir.
Hannemann is the meh outfielder and Mormon who knocks back Shirley Temples and optoats with Kris Bryant and PANK. And I had literally never heard of Daury until five minutes ago. Sorry, Daury.
To be fair Nottignham is a catcher who is absolutely raking and would probably be ranked higher than that today, but yeah, it's still not an overwhelming return. Cubs should do well if that's where the market starts
Nottingham's numbers in the Midwest League are impressive - it typically plays right down the middle between offense and defense. Cal League, less so, because it heavily favors offense. That 1:3 BB:SO ratio might spell trouble for him, though. And 6'3 sounds pretty rare for a catcher so I'm not sure he sticks there long-term but like Schwarber, might as well keep him there as long as you can. Finally he's young for the level at only 20. Him alone would have been a nice return, but fortunately the Cubs are lousy with guys like that.
I'll reserve judgment until I know his BMI.
The Cubs have 6'5 Cael Brockmeyer in Myrtle Beach. His crouch makes him look like a giant grasshopper.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 23, 2015, 01:26:56 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 23, 2015, 01:20:56 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2015, 01:16:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 23, 2015, 12:57:00 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2015, 12:50:51 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2015, 12:46:55 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 23, 2015, 12:40:46 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 23, 2015, 12:39:43 PM
Astros acquire Scott Kazmir.
Oakland gets righty Daniel Mengden and catcher Jacob Nottingham, neither of whom I know the first thing about.
Both are in A ball. High risk, high reward, ranked #19 and #22 in the Astros farm system. If that's gonna set the market I like the Cubs chances of landing something good without giving up a Baez.
Just came back from Houston's MLB Pipeline portal to post the same thing. Assuming the systems are roughly equal, which most do, that would have been Jacob Hannemann and something called Daury Torrez from the Cubs for two, but hopefully three, months of Kazmir.
Hannemann is the meh outfielder and Mormon who knocks back Shirley Temples and optoats with Kris Bryant and PANK. And I had literally never heard of Daury until five minutes ago. Sorry, Daury.
To be fair Nottignham is a catcher who is absolutely raking and would probably be ranked higher than that today, but yeah, it's still not an overwhelming return. Cubs should do well if that's where the market starts
Nottingham's numbers in the Midwest League are impressive - it typically plays right down the middle between offense and defense. Cal League, less so, because it heavily favors offense. That 1:3 BB:SO ratio might spell trouble for him, though. And 6'3 sounds pretty rare for a catcher so I'm not sure he sticks there long-term but like Schwarber, might as well keep him there as long as you can. Finally he's young for the level at only 20. Him alone would have been a nice return, but fortunately the Cubs are lousy with guys like that.
I'll reserve judgment until I know his BMI.
The Cubs have 6'5 Cael Brockmeyer in Myrtle Beach. His crouch makes him look like a giant grasshopper.
Speaking of batting stances:
http://deadspin.com/high-school-baseball-player-has-extremely-complex-plate-1719743742
I'm conflicted by the trade of Aramis Ramirez back to the Pirates. I want him to do well, but not at the expense of the Cubs. Maybe he can only hit homers against the Cardinals or something.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 23, 2015, 09:31:32 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 23, 2015, 09:03:37 AM
I've decided that if you can get Price for any combo of guys without losing Baez (assume anyone on the ML roster that we care about is staying) that the Cubs should do it.
Having him in the rotation, playing for Maddon, playing in a raucous Wrigley Field down the stretch, would probably hit all the right notes. It would allow them to start talking about a possible extension early, as well.
I want to keep Baez pretty badly - but I guess if it was Baez for Price straight up I'd have to think pretty hard about that, too.
don't think Jepstink move on Price without an extension already in the works. They could just as easily get Hamels, who is already signed for a while.
The upside to moving on Price is that a package with Vogelbach has more value to an AL team.
Unless that AL team has Miguel Cabrera and Victor Martinez signed for multiple years.
The Mets have said Matt Harvey, Jacob deGrom, Noah Syndergaard, and Steven Matz are all unavailable, which sucks, because Kyle Schwarber and Starlin Castro and Pick A Guy would be on a plane to New York for deGrom five minutes ago.
Gordo is adamant that the Cubs cannot add more than $5 million in payroll at the deadline, yet says the Cubs have talked to the Phillies about Hamels. Why does he think Theo would have even asked about Hamels if he only had 5 million bucks to spend?
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Gordo is adamant that the Cubs cannot add more than $5 million in payroll at the deadline, yet says the Cubs have talked to the Phillies about Hamels. Why does he think Theo would have even asked about Hamels if he only had 5 million bucks to spend?
I'm calling bullshit on that.
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Quote from: SKO on July 24, 2015, 07:24:56 AM
Gordo is adamant that the Cubs cannot add more than $5 million in payroll at the deadline, yet says the Cubs have talked to the Phillies about Hamels. Why does he think Theo would have even asked about Hamels if he only had 5 million bucks to spend?
I'm calling bullshit on that.
I think everyone is. For one, they claimed Hamels when he was on waivers last year (although I'm sure Gordo would say they wouldn't have gone after Lester if they'd got Hamels then), but they also according to multiple sources made a 4 year, $60 million offer to James Shields. Kaplan has indicated they've had serious talks about Hamels. Nothing about it meshes with what everyone else has said, so typical Gordo.
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I've decided that if you can get Price for any combo of guys without losing Baez (assume anyone on the ML roster that we care about is staying) that the Cubs should do it.
Having him in the rotation, playing for Maddon, playing in a raucous Wrigley Field down the stretch, would probably hit all the right notes. It would allow them to start talking about a possible extension early, as well.
I want to keep Baez pretty badly - but I guess if it was Baez for Price straight up I'd have to think pretty hard about that, too.
don't think Jepstink move on Price without an extension already in the works. They could just as easily get Hamels, who is already signed for a while.
The upside to moving on Price is that a package with Vogelbach has more value to an AL team.
Unless that AL team has Miguel Cabrera and Victor Martinez signed for multiple years.
OK, so maybe not
this AL team. Cross them off, then.
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Gordo is adamant that the Cubs cannot add more than $5 million in payroll at the deadline, yet says the Cubs have talked to the Phillies about Hamels. Why does he think Theo would have even asked about Hamels if he only had 5 million bucks to spend?
I'm calling bullshit on that.
I think everyone is. For one, they claimed Hamels when he was on waivers last year (although I'm sure Gordo would say they wouldn't have gone after Lester if they'd got Hamels then), but they also according to multiple sources made a 4 year, $60 million offer to James Shields. Kaplan has indicated they've had serious talks about Hamels. Nothing about it meshes with what everyone else has said, so typical Gordo.
Gordo/TheSunTimes are the Cubs' Paul
The Cardinals are reportedly close to getting Steve Cishek from the Marlins.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 24, 2015, 02:13:37 PM
The Cardinals are reportedly close to getting Steve Cishek from the Marlins.
ERA+
2013: 167
2014: 119
2015: 85
Gonna need that Cardinal Magix.
Intrepid Reader Cole Hamels
Please Theo for the love of God get me the fuck out of Philadelphia. [1st inning] Is this good enough? [2nd inning] How about this? [3rd inning] Maybe this will do it. [4th inning] Are you not intrigued? [5th inning] Okay how about if I do this? [6th inning] Have I been traded yet? No? Fuck my life.
Colorado trades Troy Tulowitzki to Toronto. Thanks, Rockies, for your help with this series.
Zobrist to the Royals per the internet.
*kicks rocks*
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/13331616/kansas-city-royals-acquire-ben-zobrist-oakland-as
Just get CarGo for Soler and we'll be good.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 28, 2015, 03:23:18 PM
Just get CarGo for Soler and we'll be good.
Even as the guy who is worried shitless about Jorge right now, I still don't know if I could pull the trigger on this. But the reports say he's more likely to be traded in the offseason, so by then we'll have more info in the datase about Soler and Baez to see how badly we really need that third power bat behind Rizzo and Bryant.
I'm hoping Soler trends back up, Baez contributes, and Theo has the luxury of deciding whether or not he needs an Upton or CarGo or Cespedes. If things keep going as they are, he might need to nab one of them.
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 28, 2015, 03:23:18 PM
Just get CarGo for Soler and we'll be good.
Even as the guy who is worried shitless about Jorge right now, I still don't know if I could pull the trigger on this. But the reports say he's more likely to be traded in the offseason, so by then we'll have more info in the datase about Soler and Baez to see how badly we really need that third power bat behind Rizzo and Bryant.
I'm hoping Soler trends back up, Baez contributes, and Theo has the luxury of deciding whether or not he needs an Upton or CarGo or Cespedes. If things keep going as they are, he might need to nab one of them.
I'm not worried about Soler.
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Just get CarGo for Soler and we'll be good.
Even as the guy who is worried shitless about Jorge right now, I still don't know if I could pull the trigger on this. But the reports say he's more likely to be traded in the offseason, so by then we'll have more info in the datase about Soler and Baez to see how badly we really need that third power bat behind Rizzo and Bryant.
I'm hoping Soler trends back up, Baez contributes, and Theo has the luxury of deciding whether or not he needs an Upton or CarGo or Cespedes. If things keep going as they are, he might need to nab one of them.
I'm not worried about Soler.
Neither am I. But I might pull that trigger. What's Soler's max upside? Probably CarGo. He's a career 119 OPS+ away from Coors and a three time Gold Glover. Only downsides are giving up 2 years of player control and 6 years of age.
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Just get CarGo for Soler and we'll be good.
Even as the guy who is worried shitless about Jorge right now, I still don't know if I could pull the trigger on this. But the reports say he's more likely to be traded in the offseason, so by then we'll have more info in the datase about Soler and Baez to see how badly we really need that third power bat behind Rizzo and Bryant.
I'm hoping Soler trends back up, Baez contributes, and Theo has the luxury of deciding whether or not he needs an Upton or CarGo or Cespedes. If things keep going as they are, he might need to nab one of them.
I'm not worried about Soler.
Neither am I. But I might pull that trigger. What's Soler's max upside? Probably CarGo. He's a career 119 OPS+ away from Coors and a three time Gold Glover. Only downsides are giving up 2 years of player control and 6 years of age.
And Soler only costs $30MM over 9 years...that could be a steal. Is there something funky in his contract like Puig's?
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Just get CarGo for Soler and we'll be good.
Even as the guy who is worried shitless about Jorge right now, I still don't know if I could pull the trigger on this. But the reports say he's more likely to be traded in the offseason, so by then we'll have more info in the datase about Soler and Baez to see how badly we really need that third power bat behind Rizzo and Bryant.
I'm hoping Soler trends back up, Baez contributes, and Theo has the luxury of deciding whether or not he needs an Upton or CarGo or Cespedes. If things keep going as they are, he might need to nab one of them.
I'm not worried about Soler.
Neither am I. But I might pull that trigger. What's Soler's max upside? Probably CarGo. He's a career 119 OPS+ away from Coors and a three time Gold Glover. Only downsides are giving up 2 years of player control and 6 years of age.
And Soler only costs $30MM over 9 years...that could be a steal. Is there something funky in his contract like Puig's?
I believe he can opt for arbitration early. Even so I can't imagine trading a guy with his potential after just 92 career games. I also feel like a dick now that I realize he's played 92 games. I felt like his stint last year was longer than that.
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Just get CarGo for Soler and we'll be good.
Even as the guy who is worried shitless about Jorge right now, I still don't know if I could pull the trigger on this. But the reports say he's more likely to be traded in the offseason, so by then we'll have more info in the datase about Soler and Baez to see how badly we really need that third power bat behind Rizzo and Bryant.
I'm hoping Soler trends back up, Baez contributes, and Theo has the luxury of deciding whether or not he needs an Upton or CarGo or Cespedes. If things keep going as they are, he might need to nab one of them.
I'm not worried about Soler.
Neither am I. But I might pull that trigger. What's Soler's max upside? Probably CarGo. He's a career 119 OPS+ away from Coors and a three time Gold Glover. Only downsides are giving up 2 years of player control and 6 years of age.
And Soler only costs $30MM over 9 years...that could be a steal. Is there something funky in his contract like Puig's?
I believe he can opt for arbitration early. Even so I can't imagine trading a guy with his potential after just 92 career games. I also feel like a dick now that I realize he's played 92 games. I felt like his stint last year was longer than that.
It's problematic for fans as we have been living with Jorge and Javy and Addy and Khrist for like three years now and expect them to be awesome NOW NOW NOW. It's not as if they've got three years of big league ball under their belts where you can say, ok, he's never going to be better than this. But Theo and Jed know more stuff than I do and maybe they've altered their evaluations of their Core 4 to the point that they're not long for their cornerstone status. What we lost, what we never had. I doubt it though. 92 Games. 8 year olds, dude.
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Just get CarGo for Soler and we'll be good.
Even as the guy who is worried shitless about Jorge right now, I still don't know if I could pull the trigger on this. But the reports say he's more likely to be traded in the offseason, so by then we'll have more info in the datase about Soler and Baez to see how badly we really need that third power bat behind Rizzo and Bryant.
I'm hoping Soler trends back up, Baez contributes, and Theo has the luxury of deciding whether or not he needs an Upton or CarGo or Cespedes. If things keep going as they are, he might need to nab one of them.
I'm not worried about Soler.
Neither am I. But I might pull that trigger. What's Soler's max upside? Probably CarGo. He's a career 119 OPS+ away from Coors and a three time Gold Glover. Only downsides are giving up 2 years of player control and 6 years of age.
And Soler only costs $30MM over 9 years...that could be a steal. Is there something funky in his contract like Puig's?
I believe he can opt for arbitration early. Even so I can't imagine trading a guy with his potential after just 92 career games. I also feel like a dick now that I realize he's played 92 games. I felt like his stint last year was longer than that.
It's problematic for fans as we have been living with Jorge and Javy and Addy and Khrist for like three years now and expect them to be awesome NOW NOW NOW. It's not as if they've got three years of big league ball under their belts where you can say, ok, he's never going to be better than this. But Theo and Jed know more stuff than I do and maybe they've altered their evaluations of their Core 4 to the point that they're not long for their cornerstone status. What we lost, what we never had. I doubt it though. 92 Games. 8 year olds, dude.
I'd have been able to process Jorge's struggles better if I was told to expect them. He was billed as their most complete hitter, the one that wouldn't K as much, and last year he crushed it while not striking out a lot. His struggles are normal for a lot of young power hitters but not how I thought he'd struggle. I thought he might remind me of young Starlin, hitting a lot of singles and weak pop ups because his ability to hit everything would make him Try to hit everything and fail to wait for good ones.
I just hate surprises, is all. Bryant and Javy K'ing a fuckton to start never worried me. Their track record said they would. Maybe the problem was just how small Jorge's track record was.
Either way, I'm sorry. He'll be fine. 92 games ain't that many.
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Just get CarGo for Soler and we'll be good.
Even as the guy who is worried shitless about Jorge right now, I still don't know if I could pull the trigger on this. But the reports say he's more likely to be traded in the offseason, so by then we'll have more info in the datase about Soler and Baez to see how badly we really need that third power bat behind Rizzo and Bryant.
I'm hoping Soler trends back up, Baez contributes, and Theo has the luxury of deciding whether or not he needs an Upton or CarGo or Cespedes. If things keep going as they are, he might need to nab one of them.
I'm not worried about Soler.
Neither am I. But I might pull that trigger. What's Soler's max upside? Probably CarGo. He's a career 119 OPS+ away from Coors and a three time Gold Glover. Only downsides are giving up 2 years of player control and 6 years of age.
Are you going to arrange for CarGo to continue to play half of his games in Coors?
Career at home: 326/384/599/983
Career on the road: 258/313/440/752
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Just get CarGo for Soler and we'll be good.
Even as the guy who is worried shitless about Jorge right now, I still don't know if I could pull the trigger on this. But the reports say he's more likely to be traded in the offseason, so by then we'll have more info in the datase about Soler and Baez to see how badly we really need that third power bat behind Rizzo and Bryant.
I'm hoping Soler trends back up, Baez contributes, and Theo has the luxury of deciding whether or not he needs an Upton or CarGo or Cespedes. If things keep going as they are, he might need to nab one of them.
I'm not worried about Soler.
Neither am I. But I might pull that trigger. What's Soler's max upside? Probably CarGo. He's a career 119 OPS+ away from Coors and a three time Gold Glover. Only downsides are giving up 2 years of player control and 6 years of age.
Are you going to arrange for CarGo to continue to play half of his games in Coors?
Career at home: 326/384/599/983
Career on the road: 258/313/440/752
It's a big split, but the vast majority of players do hit quite a bit better at home.
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Just get CarGo for Soler and we'll be good.
Even as the guy who is worried shitless about Jorge right now, I still don't know if I could pull the trigger on this. But the reports say he's more likely to be traded in the offseason, so by then we'll have more info in the datase about Soler and Baez to see how badly we really need that third power bat behind Rizzo and Bryant.
I'm hoping Soler trends back up, Baez contributes, and Theo has the luxury of deciding whether or not he needs an Upton or CarGo or Cespedes. If things keep going as they are, he might need to nab one of them.
I'm not worried about Soler.
Neither am I. But I might pull that trigger. What's Soler's max upside? Probably CarGo. He's a career 119 OPS+ away from Coors and a three time Gold Glover. Only downsides are giving up 2 years of player control and 6 years of age.
Are you going to arrange for CarGo to continue to play half of his games in Coors?
Career at home: 326/384/599/983
Career on the road: 258/313/440/752
It's a big split, but the vast majority of players do hit quite a bit better at home.
It's 7 to 8 times the average difference.
Trading for Carlos Gonzalez on the basis of a two week stretch where he's been hotter than shit and the Cubs' have been equally cold seems like a bad idea. Chuck's on board with it, too. QED
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Just get CarGo for Soler and we'll be good.
Even as the guy who is worried shitless about Jorge right now, I still don't know if I could pull the trigger on this. But the reports say he's more likely to be traded in the offseason, so by then we'll have more info in the datase about Soler and Baez to see how badly we really need that third power bat behind Rizzo and Bryant.
I'm hoping Soler trends back up, Baez contributes, and Theo has the luxury of deciding whether or not he needs an Upton or CarGo or Cespedes. If things keep going as they are, he might need to nab one of them.
I'm not worried about Soler.
Neither am I. But I might pull that trigger. What's Soler's max upside? Probably CarGo. He's a career 119 OPS+ away from Coors and a three time Gold Glover. Only downsides are giving up 2 years of player control and 6 years of age.
Are you going to arrange for CarGo to continue to play half of his games in Coors?
Career at home: 326/384/599/983
Career on the road: 258/313/440/752
It's a big split, but the vast majority of players do hit quite a bit better at home.
It's 7 to 8 times the average difference.
Trading for Carlos Gonzalez on the basis of a two week stretch where he's been hotter than shit and the Cubs' have been equally cold seems like a bad idea. Chuck's on board with it, too. QED
Why are you assuming that'd be the "basis" for a trade?
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Just get CarGo for Soler and we'll be good.
Even as the guy who is worried shitless about Jorge right now, I still don't know if I could pull the trigger on this. But the reports say he's more likely to be traded in the offseason, so by then we'll have more info in the datase about Soler and Baez to see how badly we really need that third power bat behind Rizzo and Bryant.
I'm hoping Soler trends back up, Baez contributes, and Theo has the luxury of deciding whether or not he needs an Upton or CarGo or Cespedes. If things keep going as they are, he might need to nab one of them.
I'm not worried about Soler.
Neither am I. But I might pull that trigger. What's Soler's max upside? Probably CarGo. He's a career 119 OPS+ away from Coors and a three time Gold Glover. Only downsides are giving up 2 years of player control and 6 years of age.
Are you going to arrange for CarGo to continue to play half of his games in Coors?
Career at home: 326/384/599/983
Career on the road: 258/313/440/752
It's a big split, but the vast majority of players do hit quite a bit better at home.
It's 7 to 8 times the average difference.
Trading for Carlos Gonzalez on the basis of a two week stretch where he's been hotter than shit and the Cubs' have been equally cold seems like a bad idea. Chuck's on board with it, too. QED
Why are you assuming that'd be the "basis" for a trade?
Sorry, I shouldn't put words in anyone's mouth. I'm assuming people like Chuck are hot for him due to his recent tear as nobody was talking about trading for him two weeks ago.
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Zobrist to the Royals per the internet.
*kicks rocks*
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/13331616/kansas-city-royals-acquire-ben-zobrist-oakland-as
DAMMIT. After hearing so much about him and the Cubs for like a year I'm kinda pissed he has to go make Ned Yost look smart instead.
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Just get CarGo for Soler and we'll be good.
Even as the guy who is worried shitless about Jorge right now, I still don't know if I could pull the trigger on this. But the reports say he's more likely to be traded in the offseason, so by then we'll have more info in the datase about Soler and Baez to see how badly we really need that third power bat behind Rizzo and Bryant.
I'm hoping Soler trends back up, Baez contributes, and Theo has the luxury of deciding whether or not he needs an Upton or CarGo or Cespedes. If things keep going as they are, he might need to nab one of them.
I'm not worried about Soler.
Neither am I. But I might pull that trigger. What's Soler's max upside? Probably CarGo. He's a career 119 OPS+ away from Coors and a three time Gold Glover. Only downsides are giving up 2 years of player control and 6 years of age.
Are you going to arrange for CarGo to continue to play half of his games in Coors?
Career at home: 326/384/599/983
Career on the road: 258/313/440/752
It's a big split, but the vast majority of players do hit quite a bit better at home.
It's 7 to 8 times the average difference.
Trading for Carlos Gonzalez on the basis of a two week stretch where he's been hotter than shit and the Cubs' have been equally cold seems like a bad idea. Chuck's on board with it, too. QED
Why are you assuming that'd be the "basis" for a trade?
Sorry, I shouldn't put words in anyone's mouth. I'm assuming people like Chuck are hot for him due to his recent tear as nobody was talking about trading for him two weeks ago.
Well, CarGo wasn't supposedly available two weeks ago.
And Soler gets $4.6mm in 2016 and 2017, then can opt for arbitration. If he's good as we expect, he's only cheap for 2 more years.
So, Ben Rowen (not on the 40 man roster) and Medina called up. Beeler sent down, Ramirez to the DL (abdominal soreness...yeah right).
The 40-man roster currently stands at 40 with 2 on the 60-day DL.
Starlin is out of the lineup. So is Soler. Schwarber in LF, Coghlan in RF.
ETA: Dodgers land Morse and Latos from Miami.
Jayson Stark
@jaysonst
Teams speaking with the #Padres say they’re about to get “super-active” & think they’re positioning themselves to make a “huge deal.”
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 29, 2015, 10:18:21 AM
So, Ben Rowen (not on the 40 man roster) and Medina called up. Beeler sent down, Ramirez to the DL (abdominal soreness...yeah right).
The 40-man roster currently stands at 40 with 2 on the 60-day DL.
Starlin is out of the lineup. So is Soler. Schwarber in LF, Coghlan in RF.
ETA: Dodgers land Morse and Latos from Miami.
Jayson Stark
@jaysonst
Teams speaking with the #Padres say they're about to get "super-active" & think they're positioning themselves to make a "huge deal."
Stalin for Tyson Ross?
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Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 29, 2015, 10:18:21 AM
So, Ben Rowen (not on the 40 man roster) and Medina called up. Beeler sent down, Ramirez to the DL (abdominal soreness...yeah right).
The 40-man roster currently stands at 40 with 2 on the 60-day DL.
Starlin is out of the lineup. So is Soler. Schwarber in LF, Coghlan in RF.
ETA: Dodgers land Morse and Latos from Miami.
Jayson Stark
@jaysonst
Teams speaking with the #Padres say they’re about to get “super-active” & think they’re positioning themselves to make a “huge deal.”
Stalin for Tyson Ross?
If we don't know anything by the end of the day still and Javy is not in the lineup for Iowa, the dots have to connect right?
ETA: Mike Baxter DFA'd to make room for Rowen on the 40-man.
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Quote from: Brownie on July 29, 2015, 10:32:12 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 29, 2015, 10:18:21 AM
So, Ben Rowen (not on the 40 man roster) and Medina called up. Beeler sent down, Ramirez to the DL (abdominal soreness...yeah right).
The 40-man roster currently stands at 40 with 2 on the 60-day DL.
Starlin is out of the lineup. So is Soler. Schwarber in LF, Coghlan in RF.
ETA: Dodgers land Morse and Latos from Miami.
Jayson Stark
@jaysonst
Teams speaking with the #Padres say they're about to get "super-active" & think they're positioning themselves to make a "huge deal."
Stalin for Tyson Ross?
If we don't know anything by the end of the day still and Javy is not in the lineup for Iowa, the dots have to connect right?
ETA: Mike Baxter DFA'd to make room for Rowen on the 40-man.
Ross also pitches tonight for San Diego, so I imagine they'd like to get it done before that.
It's fun to connect all the dots here:
- Starlin's weird double switch from last night late in the game
- Eloy getting pulled shortly after Starlin, then the media having conflicting reports -- Emeralds Twitter said he wasn't hurt at all, one newspaper said it was his shoulder, another said it was his hamstring
- Griggs, Eloy's teammate at Eugene, posted this on Twitter (https://twitter.com/RushingBaseball/status/626284846344728576) about being sad when teammates leave
- Baez playing SS in Iowa last night
- Castro totally out of the lineup today
- Soler out of the lineup today
- Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy and Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln
Quote from: Eli on July 29, 2015, 11:30:43 AM
Ross also pitches tonight for San Diego, so I imagine they'd like to get it done before that.
It's fun to connect all the dots here:
- Starlin's weird double switch from last night late in the game
- Eloy getting pulled shortly after Starlin, then the media having conflicting reports -- Emeralds Twitter said he wasn't hurt at all, one newspaper said it was his shoulder, another said it was his hamstring
- Griggs, Eloy's teammate at Eugene, posted this on Twitter (https://twitter.com/RushingBaseball/status/626284846344728576) about being sad when teammates leave
- Baez playing SS in Iowa last night
- Castro totally out of the lineup today
- Soler out of the lineup today
- Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy and Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln
They were both American presidents.
The American flag was sewn by Betsy Ross.
The Cubs are getting Tyson Ross!
http://www.hngn.com/articles/113943/20150729/chicago-cubs-rumors-trade-for-tyson-ross-craig-kimbrel-in-the-works-starlin-castro-and-prospects-could-get-deal-done.htm (http://www.hngn.com/articles/113943/20150729/chicago-cubs-rumors-trade-for-tyson-ross-craig-kimbrel-in-the-works-starlin-castro-and-prospects-could-get-deal-done.htm)
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 29, 2015, 11:45:44 AM
http://www.hngn.com/articles/113943/20150729/chicago-cubs-rumors-trade-for-tyson-ross-craig-kimbrel-in-the-works-starlin-castro-and-prospects-could-get-deal-done.htm (http://www.hngn.com/articles/113943/20150729/chicago-cubs-rumors-trade-for-tyson-ross-craig-kimbrel-in-the-works-starlin-castro-and-prospects-could-get-deal-done.htm)
If this is the deal on the table, my boner will last for months.
Mark Gonzales: "Maddon said he told Castro he's "not getting traded" and to relax and play and "don't worry about this stuff".
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 29, 2015, 11:52:21 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 29, 2015, 11:45:44 AM
http://www.hngn.com/articles/113943/20150729/chicago-cubs-rumors-trade-for-tyson-ross-craig-kimbrel-in-the-works-starlin-castro-and-prospects-could-get-deal-done.htm (http://www.hngn.com/articles/113943/20150729/chicago-cubs-rumors-trade-for-tyson-ross-craig-kimbrel-in-the-works-starlin-castro-and-prospects-could-get-deal-done.htm)
If this is the deal on the table, my boner will last for months.
I think it's just speculation. Also, Maddon told Starlin that he won't be traded and to relax and play. Not to worry about all this.
Javy Baez played SS last night, though.
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2015, 11:53:14 AM
Mark Gonzales: "Maddon said he told Castro he's "not getting traded" and to relax and play and "don't worry about this stuff".
He probably said it like an abusive boyfriend. "Who would even want you?"
Quote from: Oleg on July 29, 2015, 11:35:42 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 29, 2015, 11:30:43 AM
Ross also pitches tonight for San Diego, so I imagine they'd like to get it done before that.
It's fun to connect all the dots here:
- Starlin's weird double switch from last night late in the game
- Eloy getting pulled shortly after Starlin, then the media having conflicting reports -- Emeralds Twitter said he wasn't hurt at all, one newspaper said it was his shoulder, another said it was his hamstring
- Griggs, Eloy's teammate at Eugene, posted this on Twitter (https://twitter.com/RushingBaseball/status/626284846344728576) about being sad when teammates leave
- Baez playing SS in Iowa last night
- Castro totally out of the lineup today
- Soler out of the lineup today
- Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy and Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln
They were both American presidents.
The American flag was sewn by Betsy Ross.
The Cubs are getting Tyson Ross!
Don't get me wrong this is all very fun, but is Tyson Ross (or anyone on the Padres) really worth Castro AND Soler AND Jimenez? Although it would be pretty entertaining for the team that already has 8,000 outfielders to trade for a couple more.
Quote from: R-V on July 29, 2015, 12:01:02 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 29, 2015, 11:35:42 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 29, 2015, 11:30:43 AM
Ross also pitches tonight for San Diego, so I imagine they'd like to get it done before that.
It's fun to connect all the dots here:
- Starlin's weird double switch from last night late in the game
- Eloy getting pulled shortly after Starlin, then the media having conflicting reports -- Emeralds Twitter said he wasn't hurt at all, one newspaper said it was his shoulder, another said it was his hamstring
- Griggs, Eloy's teammate at Eugene, posted this on Twitter (https://twitter.com/RushingBaseball/status/626284846344728576) about being sad when teammates leave
- Baez playing SS in Iowa last night
- Castro totally out of the lineup today
- Soler out of the lineup today
- Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy and Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln
They were both American presidents.
The American flag was sewn by Betsy Ross.
The Cubs are getting Tyson Ross!
Don't get me wrong this is all very fun, but is Tyson Ross (or anyone on the Padres) really worth Castro AND Soler AND Jimenez? Although it would be pretty entertaining for the team that already has 8,000 outfielders to trade for a couple more.
I don't think Soler is actually getting traded, but if he were in the deal I think there'd be more coming back than just Ross.
Quote from: Eli on July 29, 2015, 12:02:28 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 29, 2015, 12:01:02 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 29, 2015, 11:35:42 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 29, 2015, 11:30:43 AM
Ross also pitches tonight for San Diego, so I imagine they'd like to get it done before that.
It's fun to connect all the dots here:
- Starlin's weird double switch from last night late in the game
- Eloy getting pulled shortly after Starlin, then the media having conflicting reports -- Emeralds Twitter said he wasn't hurt at all, one newspaper said it was his shoulder, another said it was his hamstring
- Griggs, Eloy's teammate at Eugene, posted this on Twitter (https://twitter.com/RushingBaseball/status/626284846344728576) about being sad when teammates leave
- Baez playing SS in Iowa last night
- Castro totally out of the lineup today
- Soler out of the lineup today
- Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy and Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln
They were both American presidents.
The American flag was sewn by Betsy Ross.
The Cubs are getting Tyson Ross!
Don't get me wrong this is all very fun, but is Tyson Ross (or anyone on the Padres) really worth Castro AND Soler AND Jimenez? Although it would be pretty entertaining for the team that already has 8,000 outfielders to trade for a couple more.
I don't think Soler is actually getting traded, but if he were in the deal I think there'd be more coming back than just Ross.
Ross and Kimbrel in the link above, but that just seems too good to be true for Starlin "plus prospects", whatever that nebulousness means.
Quote from: Eli on July 29, 2015, 12:02:28 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 29, 2015, 12:01:02 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 29, 2015, 11:35:42 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 29, 2015, 11:30:43 AM
Ross also pitches tonight for San Diego, so I imagine they'd like to get it done before that.
It's fun to connect all the dots here:
- Starlin's weird double switch from last night late in the game
- Eloy getting pulled shortly after Starlin, then the media having conflicting reports -- Emeralds Twitter said he wasn't hurt at all, one newspaper said it was his shoulder, another said it was his hamstring
- Griggs, Eloy's teammate at Eugene, posted this on Twitter (https://twitter.com/RushingBaseball/status/626284846344728576) about being sad when teammates leave
- Baez playing SS in Iowa last night
- Castro totally out of the lineup today
- Soler out of the lineup today
- Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy and Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln
They were both American presidents.
The American flag was sewn by Betsy Ross.
The Cubs are getting Tyson Ross!
Don't get me wrong this is all very fun, but is Tyson Ross (or anyone on the Padres) really worth Castro AND Soler AND Jimenez? Although it would be pretty entertaining for the team that already has 8,000 outfielders to trade for a couple more.
I don't think Soler is actually getting traded, but if he were in the deal I think there'd be more coming back than just Ross.
My guess is if Soler were part of the package the Cubs would be getting Upton and Kimbrel. Cubs play Upton in RF the rest of the year and try to extend him, I guess? But I believe Maddon when he says Castro isn't getting traded. Joe doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would lie to a player like that.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 29, 2015, 12:06:03 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 29, 2015, 12:02:28 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 29, 2015, 12:01:02 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 29, 2015, 11:35:42 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 29, 2015, 11:30:43 AM
Ross also pitches tonight for San Diego, so I imagine they'd like to get it done before that.
It's fun to connect all the dots here:
- Starlin's weird double switch from last night late in the game
- Eloy getting pulled shortly after Starlin, then the media having conflicting reports -- Emeralds Twitter said he wasn't hurt at all, one newspaper said it was his shoulder, another said it was his hamstring
- Griggs, Eloy's teammate at Eugene, posted this on Twitter (https://twitter.com/RushingBaseball/status/626284846344728576) about being sad when teammates leave
- Baez playing SS in Iowa last night
- Castro totally out of the lineup today
- Soler out of the lineup today
- Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy and Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln
They were both American presidents.
The American flag was sewn by Betsy Ross.
The Cubs are getting Tyson Ross!
Don't get me wrong this is all very fun, but is Tyson Ross (or anyone on the Padres) really worth Castro AND Soler AND Jimenez? Although it would be pretty entertaining for the team that already has 8,000 outfielders to trade for a couple more.
I don't think Soler is actually getting traded, but if he were in the deal I think there'd be more coming back than just Ross.
Ross and Kimbrel in the link above, but that just seems too good to be true for Starlin "plus prospects", whatever that nebulousness means.
The "prospects" in the article were "Pierce" Johnson, Carl "Edwards", and "Billy McKinney".
Quote from: Oleg on July 29, 2015, 12:11:49 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 29, 2015, 12:06:03 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 29, 2015, 12:02:28 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 29, 2015, 12:01:02 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 29, 2015, 11:35:42 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 29, 2015, 11:30:43 AM
Ross also pitches tonight for San Diego, so I imagine they'd like to get it done before that.
It's fun to connect all the dots here:
- Starlin's weird double switch from last night late in the game
- Eloy getting pulled shortly after Starlin, then the media having conflicting reports -- Emeralds Twitter said he wasn't hurt at all, one newspaper said it was his shoulder, another said it was his hamstring
- Griggs, Eloy's teammate at Eugene, posted this on Twitter (https://twitter.com/RushingBaseball/status/626284846344728576) about being sad when teammates leave
- Baez playing SS in Iowa last night
- Castro totally out of the lineup today
- Soler out of the lineup today
- Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy and Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln
They were both American presidents.
The American flag was sewn by Betsy Ross.
The Cubs are getting Tyson Ross!
Don't get me wrong this is all very fun, but is Tyson Ross (or anyone on the Padres) really worth Castro AND Soler AND Jimenez? Although it would be pretty entertaining for the team that already has 8,000 outfielders to trade for a couple more.
I don't think Soler is actually getting traded, but if he were in the deal I think there'd be more coming back than just Ross.
Ross and Kimbrel in the link above, but that just seems too good to be true for Starlin "plus prospects", whatever that nebulousness means.
The "prospects" in the article were "Pierce" Johnson, Carl "Edwards", and "Billy McKinney".
My boner didn't let me read that far down...lesson learned.
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2015, 12:10:09 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 29, 2015, 12:02:28 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 29, 2015, 12:01:02 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 29, 2015, 11:35:42 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 29, 2015, 11:30:43 AM
Ross also pitches tonight for San Diego, so I imagine they'd like to get it done before that.
It's fun to connect all the dots here:
- Starlin's weird double switch from last night late in the game
- Eloy getting pulled shortly after Starlin, then the media having conflicting reports -- Emeralds Twitter said he wasn't hurt at all, one newspaper said it was his shoulder, another said it was his hamstring
- Griggs, Eloy's teammate at Eugene, posted this on Twitter (https://twitter.com/RushingBaseball/status/626284846344728576) about being sad when teammates leave
- Baez playing SS in Iowa last night
- Castro totally out of the lineup today
- Soler out of the lineup today
- Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy and Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln
They were both American presidents.
The American flag was sewn by Betsy Ross.
The Cubs are getting Tyson Ross!
Don't get me wrong this is all very fun, but is Tyson Ross (or anyone on the Padres) really worth Castro AND Soler AND Jimenez? Although it would be pretty entertaining for the team that already has 8,000 outfielders to trade for a couple more.
I don't think Soler is actually getting traded, but if he were in the deal I think there'd be more coming back than just Ross.
My guess is if Soler were part of the package the Cubs would be getting Upton and Kimbrel. Cubs play Upton in RF the rest of the year and try to extend him, I guess? But I believe Maddon when he says Castro isn't getting traded. Joe doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would lie to a player like that.
On Spiegs and Goff yesterday, he said something to the effect of "You want to talk to them and calm them down. But, at the same time, you don't want to lie to them." So, not that it's a huge indicator but he might be telling him the truth (at that moment until Theo finalizes a trade later today for Ty)
Quote from: Brownie on July 29, 2015, 10:32:12 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 29, 2015, 10:18:21 AM
So, Ben Rowen (not on the 40 man roster) and Medina called up. Beeler sent down, Ramirez to the DL (abdominal soreness...yeah right).
The 40-man roster currently stands at 40 with 2 on the 60-day DL.
Starlin is out of the lineup. So is Soler. Schwarber in LF, Coghlan in RF.
ETA: Dodgers land Morse and Latos from Miami.
Jayson Stark
@jaysonst
Teams speaking with the #Padres say they're about to get "super-active" & think they're positioning themselves to make a "huge deal."
Stalin for Tyson Ross?
Lenin for Cole Hamels?
Mets are getting Carlos Gomez for Zack Wheeler and Wilmer Flores. Bah.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 29, 2015, 08:09:24 PM
Mets are getting Carlos Gomez for Zack Wheeler and Wilmer Flores. Bah.
Notsofast... Flores still playing tonight.
Also, Rangers got Hamels, per MLB.
Quote from: Brownie on July 29, 2015, 09:13:59 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 29, 2015, 08:09:24 PM
Mets are getting Carlos Gomez for Zack Wheeler and Wilmer Flores. Bah.
Notsofast... Flores still playing tonight.
Also, Rangers got Hamels, per MLB.
If we can't trust MLB.com push alerts, then who can we trust?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 29, 2015, 08:09:24 PM
Mets are getting Carlos Gomez for Zack Wheeler and Wilmer Flores. Bah.
Nope. Lol Mets
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2015, 10:33:45 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 29, 2015, 08:09:24 PM
Mets are getting Carlos Gomez for Zack Wheeler and Wilmer Flores. Bah.
Nope. Lol Mets
bask in it (http://deadspin.com/how-the-botched-mets-trade-went-down-1721040629).
Quote from: Brownie on July 29, 2015, 09:13:59 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 29, 2015, 08:09:24 PM
Mets are getting Carlos Gomez for Zack Wheeler and Wilmer Flores. Bah.
Notsofast... Flores still playing tonight.
Also, Rangers got Hamels, per MLB.
That was a whole separate deal, which led to crying in baseball
MLB Network's brain surgeons Harold Reynolds and Billy Ripken were comparing the Hamels deal to Herschel Walker. Should I automatically assume the Phillies were Phleeced then?
David Price to The Blue Jays. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/blue-jays-to-acquire-david-price.html)
Daniel Norris, apparently, heading to Detroit.
Quote from: Oleg on July 30, 2015, 11:58:43 AM
David Price to The Blue Jays. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/blue-jays-to-acquire-david-price.html)
Daniel Norris, apparently, heading to Detroit.
There will be a special about this on TV...I just don't know if it'll be a 30 for 30 or an episode of The First 48.
Quote from: Oleg on July 30, 2015, 11:58:43 AM
David Price to The Blue Jays. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/blue-jays-to-acquire-david-price.html)
Daniel Norris, apparently, heading to Detroit.
The Dollar is $1.30 loonies. Now, that hurts Toronto, right? Having to pay Americans in George Washingtons while their fans and TV partners pay in funny, european-looking, much-less valuable paper will make Price's departure this offseason a fait accompli, correct?
Quote from: Brownie on July 30, 2015, 12:23:22 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 30, 2015, 11:58:43 AM
David Price to The Blue Jays. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/blue-jays-to-acquire-david-price.html)
Daniel Norris, apparently, heading to Detroit.
The Dollar is $1.30 loonies. Now, that hurts Toronto, right? Having to pay Americans in George Washingtons while their fans and TV partners pay in funny, european-looking, much-less valuable paper will make Price's departure this offseason a fait accompli, correct?
Other than Russell Martin, who I'm sure is paid in maple syrup, Toronto isn't really a player for the top free agents. Right?
Quote from: Oleg on July 30, 2015, 01:00:03 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 30, 2015, 12:23:22 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 30, 2015, 11:58:43 AM
David Price to The Blue Jays. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/blue-jays-to-acquire-david-price.html)
Daniel Norris, apparently, heading to Detroit.
The Dollar is $1.30 loonies. Now, that hurts Toronto, right? Having to pay Americans in George Washingtons while their fans and TV partners pay in funny, european-looking, much-less valuable paper will make Price's departure this offseason a fait accompli, correct?
Other than Russell Martin, who I'm sure is paid in maple syrup, Toronto isn't really a player for the top free agents. Right?
Yeah I doubt they can re-sign him, but man I hope they make the playoffs. I wanna see that offense running roughshod over the largely shitty pitching staffs of all the Non-Astros AL contenders.
Quote from: Oleg on July 30, 2015, 01:00:03 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 30, 2015, 12:23:22 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 30, 2015, 11:58:43 AM
David Price to The Blue Jays. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/blue-jays-to-acquire-david-price.html)
Daniel Norris, apparently, heading to Detroit.
The Dollar is $1.30 loonies. Now, that hurts Toronto, right? Having to pay Americans in George Washingtons while their fans and TV partners pay in funny, european-looking, much-less valuable paper will make Price's departure this offseason a fait accompli, correct?
Other than Russell Martin, who I'm sure is paid in maple syrup, Toronto isn't really a player for the top free agents. Right?
No. In fact they're going to have to replace Encarnacion or Bautista at some point soon. I guess Anthopoulous is anticipating that and making moves now to see if he can squeeze anything out of this group as presently constructed.
Quote from: Oleg on July 30, 2015, 01:00:03 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 30, 2015, 12:23:22 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 30, 2015, 11:58:43 AM
David Price to The Blue Jays. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/blue-jays-to-acquire-david-price.html)
Daniel Norris, apparently, heading to Detroit.
The Dollar is $1.30 loonies. Now, that hurts Toronto, right? Having to pay Americans in George Washingtons while their fans and TV partners pay in funny, european-looking, much-less valuable paper will make Price's departure this offseason a fait accompli, correct?
Other than Russell Martin, who I'm sure is paid in maple syrup, Toronto isn't really a player for the top free agents. Right?
It's not even a top destination for hockey free agents.
Quote from: CT III on July 30, 2015, 01:13:47 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 30, 2015, 01:00:03 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 30, 2015, 12:23:22 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 30, 2015, 11:58:43 AM
David Price to The Blue Jays. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/blue-jays-to-acquire-david-price.html)
Daniel Norris, apparently, heading to Detroit.
The Dollar is $1.30 loonies. Now, that hurts Toronto, right? Having to pay Americans in George Washingtons while their fans and TV partners pay in funny, european-looking, much-less valuable paper will make Price's departure this offseason a fait accompli, correct?
Other than Russell Martin, who I'm sure is paid in maple syrup, Toronto isn't really a player for the top free agents. Right?
It's not even a top destination for hockey free agents.
It's not David Clarkson's fault that The Leafs are made of money. And, the cap.
Quote from: SKO on July 30, 2015, 01:04:58 PM
Yeah I doubt they can re-sign him, but man I hope they make the playoffs. I wanna see that offense running roughshod over the largely shitty pitching staffs of all the Non-Astros AL contenders.
Fuckin' 'ay. Granted, over the past 22 months I've developed an affinity for Tulo. He's just awesome. But, I also can't really dislike Bautista. And Donaldson is awesome.
I think I have my AL rooting interest.
Thanks.
Quote from: Oleg on July 30, 2015, 01:17:10 PM
Quote from: CT III on July 30, 2015, 01:13:47 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 30, 2015, 01:00:03 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 30, 2015, 12:23:22 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 30, 2015, 11:58:43 AM
David Price to The Blue Jays. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/blue-jays-to-acquire-david-price.html)
Daniel Norris, apparently, heading to Detroit.
The Dollar is $1.30 loonies. Now, that hurts Toronto, right? Having to pay Americans in George Washingtons while their fans and TV partners pay in funny, european-looking, much-less valuable paper will make Price's departure this offseason a fait accompli, correct?
Other than Russell Martin, who I'm sure is paid in maple syrup, Toronto isn't really a player for the top free agents. Right?
It's not even a top destination for hockey free agents.
It's not David Clarkson's fault that The Leafs are made of money. And, the cap.
Quote from: SKO on July 30, 2015, 01:04:58 PM
Yeah I doubt they can re-sign him, but man I hope they make the playoffs. I wanna see that offense running roughshod over the largely shitty pitching staffs of all the Non-Astros AL contenders.
Fuckin' 'ay. Granted, over the past 22 months I've developed an affinity for Tulo. He's just awesome. But, I also can't really dislike Bautista. And Donaldson is awesome.
I think I have my AL rooting interest.
Thanks.
My (and Pen's, I think) Stros vs. your Jays. IT'S ON
Quote from: Yeti on July 30, 2015, 01:36:52 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 30, 2015, 01:17:10 PM
Quote from: CT III on July 30, 2015, 01:13:47 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 30, 2015, 01:00:03 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 30, 2015, 12:23:22 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 30, 2015, 11:58:43 AM
David Price to The Blue Jays. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/blue-jays-to-acquire-david-price.html)
Daniel Norris, apparently, heading to Detroit.
The Dollar is $1.30 loonies. Now, that hurts Toronto, right? Having to pay Americans in George Washingtons while their fans and TV partners pay in funny, european-looking, much-less valuable paper will make Price's departure this offseason a fait accompli, correct?
Other than Russell Martin, who I'm sure is paid in maple syrup, Toronto isn't really a player for the top free agents. Right?
It's not even a top destination for hockey free agents.
It's not David Clarkson's fault that The Leafs are made of money. And, the cap.
Quote from: SKO on July 30, 2015, 01:04:58 PM
Yeah I doubt they can re-sign him, but man I hope they make the playoffs. I wanna see that offense running roughshod over the largely shitty pitching staffs of all the Non-Astros AL contenders.
Fuckin' 'ay. Granted, over the past 22 months I've developed an affinity for Tulo. He's just awesome. But, I also can't really dislike Bautista. And Donaldson is awesome.
I think I have my AL rooting interest.
Thanks.
My (and Pen's, I think) Stros vs. your Jays. IT'S ON
Fuck the Astros. They should be in the NL, Mike Scott threw spitters, they fucked J.R. Richard and introduced Ken Caminiti to steroids and crack cocaine. They were fucksticks in 2004 getting Beltran out from under Hendry's $7.50 buffet lunch and then when we needed them to perform against the Cards, they folded. When America and the world needed them to beat the Mets in 1986, they folded. When the world really needed a message that good (or at least not as evil) triumphs over evil (and skanky), they got swept by the motherfucking White Sox. The last time they were relevant, they were crying (http://hirejimessian.com/2008/09/17/the-astros-and-their-fans-sound-like-tina-turner/) about Carlos Zambrano's no hitter at Miller Park. (http://hirejimessian.com/2008/09/17/the-astros-and-their-fans-sound-like-tina-turner/)
So, screw 'em. I had a fondness for the late-80s through early 90s Blue Jays. Loved when they beat the Genius in the 1992 ALCS. Loved when they beat the Sox in the 1993 ALCS. Dave Stieb, Jesse Barfield, Tony Fernandez, Roberto ALomar, Ernie Whitt, George Bell, John Olerud, Jimmy Key, Ed Sprague, Joe Carter, Paul Molitor, Tom Henke. God love all of them.
Quote from: Brownie on July 30, 2015, 02:38:50 PM
Quote from: Yeti on July 30, 2015, 01:36:52 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 30, 2015, 01:17:10 PM
Quote from: CT III on July 30, 2015, 01:13:47 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 30, 2015, 01:00:03 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 30, 2015, 12:23:22 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 30, 2015, 11:58:43 AM
David Price to The Blue Jays. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/blue-jays-to-acquire-david-price.html)
Daniel Norris, apparently, heading to Detroit.
The Dollar is $1.30 loonies. Now, that hurts Toronto, right? Having to pay Americans in George Washingtons while their fans and TV partners pay in funny, european-looking, much-less valuable paper will make Price's departure this offseason a fait accompli, correct?
Other than Russell Martin, who I'm sure is paid in maple syrup, Toronto isn't really a player for the top free agents. Right?
It's not even a top destination for hockey free agents.
It's not David Clarkson's fault that The Leafs are made of money. And, the cap.
Quote from: SKO on July 30, 2015, 01:04:58 PM
Yeah I doubt they can re-sign him, but man I hope they make the playoffs. I wanna see that offense running roughshod over the largely shitty pitching staffs of all the Non-Astros AL contenders.
Fuckin' 'ay. Granted, over the past 22 months I've developed an affinity for Tulo. He's just awesome. But, I also can't really dislike Bautista. And Donaldson is awesome.
I think I have my AL rooting interest.
Thanks.
My (and Pen's, I think) Stros vs. your Jays. IT'S ON
Fuck the Astros. They should be in the NL, Mike Scott threw spitters, they fucked J.R. Richard and introduced Ken Caminiti to steroids and crack cocaine. They were fucksticks in 2004 getting Beltran out from under Hendry's $7.50 buffet lunch and then when we needed them to perform against the Cards, they folded. When America and the world needed them to beat the Mets in 1986, they folded. When the world really needed a message that good (or at least not as evil) triumphs over evil (and skanky), they got swept by the motherfucking White Sox. The last time they were relevant, they were crying (http://hirejimessian.com/2008/09/17/the-astros-and-their-fans-sound-like-tina-turner/) about Carlos Zambrano's no hitter at Miller Park. (http://hirejimessian.com/2008/09/17/the-astros-and-their-fans-sound-like-tina-turner/)
So, screw 'em. I had a fondness for the late-80s through early 90s Blue Jays. Loved when they beat the Genius in the 1992 ALCS. Loved when they beat the Sox in the 1993 ALCS. Dave Stieb, Jesse Barfield, Tony Fernandez, Roberto ALomar, Ernie Whitt, George Bell, John Olerud, Jimmy Key, Ed Sprague, Joe Carter, Paul Molitor, Tom Henke. God love all of them.
I too would like to say that I am Team Blue Jays this year. Also, as reparations for past misconduct ably detailed above, Houston should give us Carlos Correa for Starlin Castro.
A Blue Jays-Royals ALCS would be all kinds of awesome.
Quote from: Eli on July 30, 2015, 04:08:22 PM
A Blue Jays-Royals ALCS would be all kinds of awesome.
Especially because of the teams that wouldn't be in it.
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David Price to The Blue Jays. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/blue-jays-to-acquire-david-price.html)
Daniel Norris, apparently, heading to Detroit.
The Dollar is $1.30 loonies. Now, that hurts Toronto, right? Having to pay Americans in George Washingtons while their fans and TV partners pay in funny, european-looking, much-less valuable paper will make Price's departure this offseason a fait accompli, correct?
Other than Russell Martin, who I'm sure is paid in maple syrup, Toronto isn't really a player for the top free agents. Right?
It's not even a top destination for hockey free agents.
It's not David Clarkson's fault that The Leafs are made of money. And, the cap.
Quote from: SKO on July 30, 2015, 01:04:58 PM
Yeah I doubt they can re-sign him, but man I hope they make the playoffs. I wanna see that offense running roughshod over the largely shitty pitching staffs of all the Non-Astros AL contenders.
Fuckin' 'ay. Granted, over the past 22 months I've developed an affinity for Tulo. He's just awesome. But, I also can't really dislike Bautista. And Donaldson is awesome.
I think I have my AL rooting interest.
Thanks.
My (and Pen's, I think) Stros vs. your Jays. IT'S ON
Fuck the Astros. They should be in the NL, Mike Scott threw spitters, they fucked J.R. Richard and introduced Ken Caminiti to steroids and crack cocaine. They were fucksticks in 2004 getting Beltran out from under Hendry's $7.50 buffet lunch and then when we needed them to perform against the Cards, they folded. When America and the world needed them to beat the Mets in 1986, they folded. When the world really needed a message that good (or at least not as evil) triumphs over evil (and skanky), they got swept by the motherfucking White Sox. The last time they were relevant, they were crying (http://hirejimessian.com/2008/09/17/the-astros-and-their-fans-sound-like-tina-turner/) about Carlos Zambrano's no hitter at Miller Park. (http://hirejimessian.com/2008/09/17/the-astros-and-their-fans-sound-like-tina-turner/)
So, screw 'em. I had a fondness for the late-80s through early 90s Blue Jays. Loved when they beat the Genius in the 1992 ALCS. Loved when they beat the Sox in the 1993 ALCS. Dave Stieb, Jesse Barfield, Tony Fernandez, Roberto ALomar, Ernie Whitt, George Bell, John Olerud, Jimmy Key, Ed Sprague, Joe Carter, Paul Molitor, Tom Henke. God love all of them.
THI. Fuck the Stros. TJ never even got to assholes like the fucking Beege. And Lance Berkman was really the fat chick from Facts of Life. Fuck them.
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Quote from: Oleg on July 30, 2015, 11:58:43 AM
David Price to The Blue Jays. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/blue-jays-to-acquire-david-price.html)
Daniel Norris, apparently, heading to Detroit.
The Dollar is $1.30 loonies. Now, that hurts Toronto, right? Having to pay Americans in George Washingtons while their fans and TV partners pay in funny, european-looking, much-less valuable paper will make Price's departure this offseason a fait accompli, correct?
Other than Russell Martin, who I'm sure is paid in maple syrup, Toronto isn't really a player for the top free agents. Right?
It's not even a top destination for hockey free agents.
It's not David Clarkson's fault that The Leafs are made of money. And, the cap.
Quote from: SKO on July 30, 2015, 01:04:58 PM
Yeah I doubt they can re-sign him, but man I hope they make the playoffs. I wanna see that offense running roughshod over the largely shitty pitching staffs of all the Non-Astros AL contenders.
Fuckin' 'ay. Granted, over the past 22 months I've developed an affinity for Tulo. He's just awesome. But, I also can't really dislike Bautista. And Donaldson is awesome.
I think I have my AL rooting interest.
Thanks.
My (and Pen's, I think) Stros vs. your Jays. IT'S ON
Fuck the Astros. They should be in the NL, Mike Scott threw spitters, they fucked J.R. Richard and introduced Ken Caminiti to steroids and crack cocaine. They were fucksticks in 2004 getting Beltran out from under Hendry's $7.50 buffet lunch and then when we needed them to perform against the Cards, they folded. When America and the world needed them to beat the Mets in 1986, they folded. When the world really needed a message that good (or at least not as evil) triumphs over evil (and skanky), they got swept by the motherfucking White Sox. The last time they were relevant, they were crying (http://hirejimessian.com/2008/09/17/the-astros-and-their-fans-sound-like-tina-turner/) about Carlos Zambrano's no hitter at Miller Park. (http://hirejimessian.com/2008/09/17/the-astros-and-their-fans-sound-like-tina-turner/)
So, screw 'em. I had a fondness for the late-80s through early 90s Blue Jays. Loved when they beat the Genius in the 1992 ALCS. Loved when they beat the Sox in the 1993 ALCS. Dave Stieb, Jesse Barfield, Tony Fernandez, Roberto ALomar, Ernie Whitt, George Bell, John Olerud, Jimmy Key, Ed Sprague, Joe Carter, Paul Molitor, Tom Henke. God love all of them.
THI. Fuck the Stros. TJ never even got to assholes like the fucking Beege. And Lance Berkman was really the fat chick from Facts of Life. Fuck them.
Also, the Astros introduced baseball to Astroturf and Joe Morgan.
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Quote from: Brownie on July 30, 2015, 12:23:22 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 30, 2015, 11:58:43 AM
David Price to The Blue Jays. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/blue-jays-to-acquire-david-price.html)
Daniel Norris, apparently, heading to Detroit.
The Dollar is $1.30 loonies. Now, that hurts Toronto, right? Having to pay Americans in George Washingtons while their fans and TV partners pay in funny, european-looking, much-less valuable paper will make Price's departure this offseason a fait accompli, correct?
Other than Russell Martin, who I'm sure is paid in maple syrup, Toronto isn't really a player for the top free agents. Right?
It's not even a top destination for hockey free agents.
It's not David Clarkson's fault that The Leafs are made of money. And, the cap.
Quote from: SKO on July 30, 2015, 01:04:58 PM
Yeah I doubt they can re-sign him, but man I hope they make the playoffs. I wanna see that offense running roughshod over the largely shitty pitching staffs of all the Non-Astros AL contenders.
Fuckin' 'ay. Granted, over the past 22 months I've developed an affinity for Tulo. He's just awesome. But, I also can't really dislike Bautista. And Donaldson is awesome.
I think I have my AL rooting interest.
Thanks.
My (and Pen's, I think) Stros vs. your Jays. IT'S ON
Fuck the Astros. They should be in the NL, Mike Scott threw spitters, they fucked J.R. Richard and introduced Ken Caminiti to steroids and crack cocaine. They were fucksticks in 2004 getting Beltran out from under Hendry's $7.50 buffet lunch and then when we needed them to perform against the Cards, they folded. When America and the world needed them to beat the Mets in 1986, they folded. When the world really needed a message that good (or at least not as evil) triumphs over evil (and skanky), they got swept by the motherfucking White Sox. The last time they were relevant, they were crying (http://hirejimessian.com/2008/09/17/the-astros-and-their-fans-sound-like-tina-turner/) about Carlos Zambrano's no hitter at Miller Park. (http://hirejimessian.com/2008/09/17/the-astros-and-their-fans-sound-like-tina-turner/)
So, screw 'em. I had a fondness for the late-80s through early 90s Blue Jays. Loved when they beat the Genius in the 1992 ALCS. Loved when they beat the Sox in the 1993 ALCS. Dave Stieb, Jesse Barfield, Tony Fernandez, Roberto ALomar, Ernie Whitt, George Bell, John Olerud, Jimmy Key, Ed Sprague, Joe Carter, Paul Molitor, Tom Henke. God love all of them.
THI. Fuck the Stros. TJ never even got to assholes like the fucking Beege. And Lance Berkman was really the fat chick from Facts of Life. Fuck them.
Also, the Astros introduced baseball to Astroturf and Joe Morgan.
And Cesar Cedeno was a fucking murderer.
Quote from: Brownie on July 30, 2015, 02:38:50 PM
Quote from: Yeti on July 30, 2015, 01:36:52 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 30, 2015, 01:17:10 PM
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Quote from: Oleg on July 30, 2015, 01:00:03 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 30, 2015, 12:23:22 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 30, 2015, 11:58:43 AM
David Price to The Blue Jays. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/blue-jays-to-acquire-david-price.html)
Daniel Norris, apparently, heading to Detroit.
The Dollar is $1.30 loonies. Now, that hurts Toronto, right? Having to pay Americans in George Washingtons while their fans and TV partners pay in funny, european-looking, much-less valuable paper will make Price's departure this offseason a fait accompli, correct?
Other than Russell Martin, who I'm sure is paid in maple syrup, Toronto isn't really a player for the top free agents. Right?
It's not even a top destination for hockey free agents.
It's not David Clarkson's fault that The Leafs are made of money. And, the cap.
Quote from: SKO on July 30, 2015, 01:04:58 PM
Yeah I doubt they can re-sign him, but man I hope they make the playoffs. I wanna see that offense running roughshod over the largely shitty pitching staffs of all the Non-Astros AL contenders.
Fuckin' 'ay. Granted, over the past 22 months I've developed an affinity for Tulo. He's just awesome. But, I also can't really dislike Bautista. And Donaldson is awesome.
I think I have my AL rooting interest.
Thanks.
My (and Pen's, I think) Stros vs. your Jays. IT'S ON
Fuck the Astros. They should be in the NL, Mike Scott threw spitters, they fucked J.R. Richard and introduced Ken Caminiti to steroids and crack cocaine. They were fucksticks in 2004 getting Beltran out from under Hendry's $7.50 buffet lunch and then when we needed them to perform against the Cards, they folded. When America and the world needed them to beat the Mets in 1986, they folded. When the world really needed a message that good (or at least not as evil) triumphs over evil (and skanky), they got swept by the motherfucking White Sox. The last time they were relevant, they were crying (http://hirejimessian.com/2008/09/17/the-astros-and-their-fans-sound-like-tina-turner/) about Carlos Zambrano's no hitter at Miller Park. (http://hirejimessian.com/2008/09/17/the-astros-and-their-fans-sound-like-tina-turner/)
So, screw 'em. I had a fondness for the late-80s through early 90s Blue Jays. Loved when they beat the Genius in the 1992 ALCS. Loved when they beat the Sox in the 1993 ALCS. Dave Stieb, Jesse Barfield, Tony Fernandez, Roberto ALomar, Ernie Whitt, George Bell, John Olerud, Jimmy Key, Ed Sprague, Joe Carter, Paul Molitor, Tom Henke. God love all of them.
You forgot to mention Fred McGriff.
Quote from: Brownie on July 31, 2015, 08:54:17 AM
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Quote from: Oleg on July 30, 2015, 01:17:10 PM
Quote from: CT III on July 30, 2015, 01:13:47 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 30, 2015, 01:00:03 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 30, 2015, 12:23:22 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 30, 2015, 11:58:43 AM
David Price to The Blue Jays. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/blue-jays-to-acquire-david-price.html)
Daniel Norris, apparently, heading to Detroit.
The Dollar is $1.30 loonies. Now, that hurts Toronto, right? Having to pay Americans in George Washingtons while their fans and TV partners pay in funny, european-looking, much-less valuable paper will make Price's departure this offseason a fait accompli, correct?
Other than Russell Martin, who I'm sure is paid in maple syrup, Toronto isn't really a player for the top free agents. Right?
It's not even a top destination for hockey free agents.
It's not David Clarkson's fault that The Leafs are made of money. And, the cap.
Quote from: SKO on July 30, 2015, 01:04:58 PM
Yeah I doubt they can re-sign him, but man I hope they make the playoffs. I wanna see that offense running roughshod over the largely shitty pitching staffs of all the Non-Astros AL contenders.
Fuckin' 'ay. Granted, over the past 22 months I've developed an affinity for Tulo. He's just awesome. But, I also can't really dislike Bautista. And Donaldson is awesome.
I think I have my AL rooting interest.
Thanks.
My (and Pen's, I think) Stros vs. your Jays. IT'S ON
Fuck the Astros. They should be in the NL, Mike Scott threw spitters, they fucked J.R. Richard and introduced Ken Caminiti to steroids and crack cocaine. They were fucksticks in 2004 getting Beltran out from under Hendry's $7.50 buffet lunch and then when we needed them to perform against the Cards, they folded. When America and the world needed them to beat the Mets in 1986, they folded. When the world really needed a message that good (or at least not as evil) triumphs over evil (and skanky), they got swept by the motherfucking White Sox. The last time they were relevant, they were crying (http://hirejimessian.com/2008/09/17/the-astros-and-their-fans-sound-like-tina-turner/) about Carlos Zambrano's no hitter at Miller Park. (http://hirejimessian.com/2008/09/17/the-astros-and-their-fans-sound-like-tina-turner/)
So, screw 'em. I had a fondness for the late-80s through early 90s Blue Jays. Loved when they beat the Genius in the 1992 ALCS. Loved when they beat the Sox in the 1993 ALCS. Dave Stieb, Jesse Barfield, Tony Fernandez, Roberto ALomar, Ernie Whitt, George Bell, John Olerud, Jimmy Key, Ed Sprague, Joe Carter, Paul Molitor, Tom Henke. God love all of them.
THI. Fuck the Stros. TJ never even got to assholes like the fucking Beege. And Lance Berkman was really the fat chick from Facts of Life. Fuck them.
Also, the Astros introduced baseball to Astroturf and Joe Morgan.
Those reasons are all fine and dandy, but I like teams that just fucking hack it away like it's their job. After this season (projected out), they'll have had 1,471 Ks/season for the last 3 years. That includes breaking the MLB strikeout record in 2013. That 2013 was helped by Rick Ankiel's Most Awesomest Season Ever: 62 ABs, 5 HRs, 35Ks (!). This year they're on pace for 1436. And they're in first place!
EDIT: Also, 1st in HR (AL Ranks), 13th in Avg, 10th in OBP, but 4th in SLG. They're a bunch of 2 outcome players (K or HR) and I love it.
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Quote from: Brownie on July 30, 2015, 12:23:22 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 30, 2015, 11:58:43 AM
David Price to The Blue Jays. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/blue-jays-to-acquire-david-price.html)
Daniel Norris, apparently, heading to Detroit.
The Dollar is $1.30 loonies. Now, that hurts Toronto, right? Having to pay Americans in George Washingtons while their fans and TV partners pay in funny, european-looking, much-less valuable paper will make Price's departure this offseason a fait accompli, correct?
Other than Russell Martin, who I'm sure is paid in maple syrup, Toronto isn't really a player for the top free agents. Right?
It's not even a top destination for hockey free agents.
It's not David Clarkson's fault that The Leafs are made of money. And, the cap.
Quote from: SKO on July 30, 2015, 01:04:58 PM
Yeah I doubt they can re-sign him, but man I hope they make the playoffs. I wanna see that offense running roughshod over the largely shitty pitching staffs of all the Non-Astros AL contenders.
Fuckin' 'ay. Granted, over the past 22 months I've developed an affinity for Tulo. He's just awesome. But, I also can't really dislike Bautista. And Donaldson is awesome.
I think I have my AL rooting interest.
Thanks.
My (and Pen's, I think) Stros vs. your Jays. IT'S ON
Fuck the Astros. They should be in the NL, Mike Scott threw spitters, they fucked J.R. Richard and introduced Ken Caminiti to steroids and crack cocaine. They were fucksticks in 2004 getting Beltran out from under Hendry's $7.50 buffet lunch and then when we needed them to perform against the Cards, they folded. When America and the world needed them to beat the Mets in 1986, they folded. When the world really needed a message that good (or at least not as evil) triumphs over evil (and skanky), they got swept by the motherfucking White Sox. The last time they were relevant, they were crying (http://hirejimessian.com/2008/09/17/the-astros-and-their-fans-sound-like-tina-turner/) about Carlos Zambrano's no hitter at Miller Park. (http://hirejimessian.com/2008/09/17/the-astros-and-their-fans-sound-like-tina-turner/)
So, screw 'em. I had a fondness for the late-80s through early 90s Blue Jays. Loved when they beat the Genius in the 1992 ALCS. Loved when they beat the Sox in the 1993 ALCS. Dave Stieb, Jesse Barfield, Tony Fernandez, Roberto ALomar, Ernie Whitt, George Bell, John Olerud, Jimmy Key, Ed Sprague, Joe Carter, Paul Molitor, Tom Henke. God love all of them.
You forgot to mention Fred McGriff.
McGriff and Fernandez for Robbie Alomar and Carter was one of the most fun Winter Meetings trades. Joe Carter, of course was the centerpiece of the Cubs' package to bring in Sutcliffe (and Ron Hassey and George Frazier), but he was involved in a second blockbuster trade, when Cleveland dealt him to San Diego for Sandy Alomar Jr. and Carlos Baerga.
McGriff was involved in two trade deadline deals, but the one that sent him from San Diego to Atlanta in 1993 turned out to be a flop for SD. As for Fernandez, he wound up having a nice career, playing a nice role in Cleveland's 1997 World Series team as a second baseman (coincidentally replaced with Robbie Alomar the next year).
McStiff eats ass.
Dan Haren!
Honestly okay with this move if it's all it is. Not sexy in the slightest, and that ERA/FIP gap isn't comforting, but he's better than what they've got in that 5th spot and honestly I'm fine with not outbidding whoever for Tyson Ross. Would like to see them deal some other guys from the prospect pot (Villanueva, etc.) for a reliever and a bench bat, still.
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Dan Haren!
Honestly okay with this move if it's all it is. Not sexy in the slightest, and that ERA/FIP gap isn't comforting, but he's better than what they've got in that 5th spot and honestly I'm fine with not outbidding whoever for Tyson Ross. Would like to see them deal some other guys from the prospect pot (Villanueva, etc.) for a reliever and a bench bat, still.
Yeah, this is pretty meh, but he's probably better than Daltonyoshi Wadchardler. Hope he isn't costing anyone who matters.
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Dan Haren!
Honestly okay with this move if it's all it is. Not sexy in the slightest, and that ERA/FIP gap isn't comforting, but he's better than what they've got in that 5th spot and honestly I'm fine with not outbidding whoever for Tyson Ross. Would like to see them deal some other guys from the prospect pot (Villanueva, etc.) for a reliever and a bench bat, still.
Yeah, this is pretty meh, but he's probably better than Daltonyoshi Wadchardler. Hope he isn't costing anyone who matters.
I would be shocked as hell if he is.
UPDATE: SS Elliott Soto and Ivan Pineyro. So nobody who matters.
MLB Network just speculated that Haren could be flipped to San Diego.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 31, 2015, 01:13:43 PM
MLB Network just speculated that Haren could be flipped to San Diego.
Damn it, I already told all of you it's going to be Hendricks.
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Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 31, 2015, 01:13:43 PM
MLB Network just speculated that Haren could be flipped to San Diego.
Damn it, I already told all of you it's going to be Hendricks.
Yeah no way Haren is a trade chip to a non-contender. Likely he's the 5th starter while Hendricks is flipped since he's the only young, cost-controlled pitching trade chip they have.
Cubs are done dealing -- Haren and Tommy Hunter. It's not nothing, but it's about as blah as anyone could ever imagine.
Quote from: Eli on July 31, 2015, 03:12:20 PM
Cubs are done dealing -- Haren and Tommy Hunter. It's not nothing, but it's about as blah as anyone could ever imagine.
Better than Ian Kennedy. Have to see this winter whether they try another push for a cost controlled starting pitcher of if they really do make a run at Price. Either way, feel like this is a better ballclub without that awful fifth starter juggling act, another non-dead arm in the bullpen, and presumably the return of Javy and La Stella and maybe Olt. Not to mention the fact that Rizzo and Fowler look to be hitting again, which probably makes as big a difference as anything.
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Quote from: Eli on July 31, 2015, 03:12:20 PM
Cubs are done dealing -- Haren and Tommy Hunter. It's not nothing, but it's about as blah as anyone could ever imagine.
Better than Ian Kennedy. Have to see this winter whether they try another push for a cost controlled starting pitcher of if they really do make a run at Price. Either way, feel like this is a better ballclub without that awful fifth starter juggling act, another non-dead arm in the bullpen, and presumably the return of Javy and La Stella and maybe Olt. Not to mention the fact that Rizzo and Fowler look to be hitting again, which probably makes as big a difference as anything.
They'd better make a difference, since offense has been their biggest need. Keeping the prospect powder dry for next year, maybe the kids will turn it on down the stretch. I'm ok with it but was hoping for a controllable starter like Ross and valuable bullpen help.
And here's hoping Castro hits like a mofo the rest of the year so they can get something nice for him in the offseason.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 31, 2015, 03:26:22 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 31, 2015, 03:14:55 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 31, 2015, 03:12:20 PM
Cubs are done dealing -- Haren and Tommy Hunter. It's not nothing, but it's about as blah as anyone could ever imagine.
Better than Ian Kennedy. Have to see this winter whether they try another push for a cost controlled starting pitcher of if they really do make a run at Price. Either way, feel like this is a better ballclub without that awful fifth starter juggling act, another non-dead arm in the bullpen, and presumably the return of Javy and La Stella and maybe Olt. Not to mention the fact that Rizzo and Fowler look to be hitting again, which probably makes as big a difference as anything.
They'd better make a difference, since offense has been their biggest need. Keeping the prospect powder dry for next year, maybe the kids will turn it on down the stretch. I'm ok with it but was hoping for a controllable starter like Ross and valuable bullpen help.
And here's hoping Castro hits like a mofo the rest of the year so they can get something nice for him in the offseason.
Gonna be hard for him to do that when he's benched for the Javy Dong Party
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Can we convince the Mets they're playing the Cardinals, that way they'll still want to give us a pitcher for Starlin Castro as part of the Most Rumored Trade Ever?
Everybody for anybody.
Starlin for Brett Gardner? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/11/yankees-garnder-cubs-castro-trade.html)
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 20, 2015, 09:58:59 AM
Starlin for Brett Gardner? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/11/yankees-garnder-cubs-castro-trade.html)
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 20, 2015, 09:58:59 AM
Starlin for Brett Gardner? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/11/yankees-garnder-cubs-castro-trade.html)
I think I'd be all right with that Any chance of The Yankees throwing Severino? Oh, I crack me up.
Quote from: Oleg on November 20, 2015, 10:03:38 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 20, 2015, 09:58:59 AM
Starlin for Brett Gardner? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/11/yankees-garnder-cubs-castro-trade.html)
I think I'd be all right with that Any chance of The Yankees throwing Severino? Oh, I crack me up.
Gardner played 40 games in CF last year, but he's 32 and I doubt he could be the Cubs starting CF for a full year next year. Which puts him in either left or right and I wouldn't want him playing in place of Soler or Schwarber or really even Coghlan. I don't like this. He'd be a really goddamn expensive 4th OF.
Quote from: SKO on November 20, 2015, 10:07:57 AM
Quote from: Oleg on November 20, 2015, 10:03:38 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 20, 2015, 09:58:59 AM
Starlin for Brett Gardner? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/11/yankees-garnder-cubs-castro-trade.html)
I think I'd be all right with that Any chance of The Yankees throwing Severino? Oh, I crack me up.
Gardner played 40 games in CF last year, but he's 32 and I doubt he could be the Cubs starting CF for a full year next year. Which puts him in either left or right and I wouldn't want him playing in place of Soler or Schwarber or really even Coghlan. I don't like this. He'd be a really goddamn expensive 4th OF.
Yep. Meh. And his salary is more than Castro's.
Still fascinating that Castro managed to redeem himself from zero trade value to desirable piece in less than 90 days.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 20, 2015, 10:26:00 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 20, 2015, 10:07:57 AM
Quote from: Oleg on November 20, 2015, 10:03:38 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 20, 2015, 09:58:59 AM
Starlin for Brett Gardner? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/11/yankees-garnder-cubs-castro-trade.html)
I think I'd be all right with that Any chance of The Yankees throwing Severino? Oh, I crack me up.
Gardner played 40 games in CF last year, but he's 32 and I doubt he could be the Cubs starting CF for a full year next year. Which puts him in either left or right and I wouldn't want him playing in place of Soler or Schwarber or really even Coghlan. I don't like this. He'd be a really goddamn expensive 4th OF.
Yep. Meh. And his salary is more than Castro's.
Still fascinating that Castro managed to redeem himself from zero trade value to desirable piece in less than 90 days.
They both have almost the exact same amount left on their contracts (Gardner is $1MM more due to his buyout).
Quote from: Oleg on November 20, 2015, 10:30:02 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 20, 2015, 10:26:00 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 20, 2015, 10:07:57 AM
Quote from: Oleg on November 20, 2015, 10:03:38 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 20, 2015, 09:58:59 AM
Starlin for Brett Gardner? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/11/yankees-garnder-cubs-castro-trade.html)
I think I'd be all right with that Any chance of The Yankees throwing Severino? Oh, I crack me up.
Gardner played 40 games in CF last year, but he's 32 and I doubt he could be the Cubs starting CF for a full year next year. Which puts him in either left or right and I wouldn't want him playing in place of Soler or Schwarber or really even Coghlan. I don't like this. He'd be a really goddamn expensive 4th OF.
Yep. Meh. And his salary is more than Castro's.
Still fascinating that Castro managed to redeem himself from zero trade value to desirable piece in less than 90 days.
They both have almost the exact same amount left on their contracts (Gardner is $1MM more due to his buyout).
So they make the same amount of money but one plays the middle infield and is 26 has a lower AAV and the other is 32 and declining and can't really play the OF spot the Cubs need help at. Pass.
Quote from: SKO on November 20, 2015, 10:50:02 AM
Quote from: Oleg on November 20, 2015, 10:30:02 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 20, 2015, 10:26:00 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 20, 2015, 10:07:57 AM
Quote from: Oleg on November 20, 2015, 10:03:38 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 20, 2015, 09:58:59 AM
Starlin for Brett Gardner? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/11/yankees-garnder-cubs-castro-trade.html)
I think I'd be all right with that Any chance of The Yankees throwing Severino? Oh, I crack me up.
Gardner played 40 games in CF last year, but he's 32 and I doubt he could be the Cubs starting CF for a full year next year. Which puts him in either left or right and I wouldn't want him playing in place of Soler or Schwarber or really even Coghlan. I don't like this. He'd be a really goddamn expensive 4th OF.
Yep. Meh. And his salary is more than Castro's.
Still fascinating that Castro managed to redeem himself from zero trade value to desirable piece in less than 90 days.
They both have almost the exact same amount left on their contracts (Gardner is $1MM more due to his buyout).
So they make the same amount of money but one plays the middle infield and is 26 has a lower AAV and the other is 32 and declining and can't really play the OF spot the Cubs need help at. Pass.
That's really all that needs to be said. Why trade for a corner outfielder? This is a dumb idea.
Quote from: Tony on November 20, 2015, 11:15:09 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 20, 2015, 10:50:02 AM
Quote from: Oleg on November 20, 2015, 10:30:02 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 20, 2015, 10:26:00 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 20, 2015, 10:07:57 AM
Quote from: Oleg on November 20, 2015, 10:03:38 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 20, 2015, 09:58:59 AM
Starlin for Brett Gardner? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/11/yankees-garnder-cubs-castro-trade.html)
I think I'd be all right with that Any chance of The Yankees throwing Severino? Oh, I crack me up.
Gardner played 40 games in CF last year, but he's 32 and I doubt he could be the Cubs starting CF for a full year next year. Which puts him in either left or right and I wouldn't want him playing in place of Soler or Schwarber or really even Coghlan. I don't like this. He'd be a really goddamn expensive 4th OF.
Yep. Meh. And his salary is more than Castro's.
Still fascinating that Castro managed to redeem himself from zero trade value to desirable piece in less than 90 days.
They both have almost the exact same amount left on their contracts (Gardner is $1MM more due to his buyout).
So they make the same amount of money but one plays the middle infield and is 26 has a lower AAV and the other is 32 and declining and can't really play the OF spot the Cubs need help at. Pass.
That's really all that needs to be said. Why trade for a corner outfielder? This is a dumb idea.
Yeah even factoring in his supposedly great defense he was worth almost a full win less than Coghlan this year. If he's a corner OF only going forward he makes absolutely no sense taking starts away from any of the three guys the Cubs would have in those two spots.
Quote from: Eli on November 20, 2015, 10:03:11 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 20, 2015, 09:58:59 AM
Starlin for Brett Gardner? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/11/yankees-garnder-cubs-castro-trade.html)
(http://img.pandawhale.com/post-31580-Larry-David-cringe-meh-gif-Img-wyjc.gif)
A whole 'nother page, when this gif already said it all.
Yeah...the more I think about, the more I think fuck it.
Quote from: Eli on November 20, 2015, 10:03:11 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 20, 2015, 09:58:59 AM
Starlin for Brett Gardner? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/11/yankees-garnder-cubs-castro-trade.html)
(http://img.pandawhale.com/post-31580-Larry-David-cringe-meh-gif-Img-wyjc.gif)
Quote from: Oleg on November 20, 2015, 11:42:29 AM
Yeah...the more I think about, the more I think fuck it.
Quote from: Eli on November 20, 2015, 10:03:11 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 20, 2015, 09:58:59 AM
Starlin for Brett Gardner? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/11/yankees-garnder-cubs-castro-trade.html)
(http://img.pandawhale.com/post-31580-Larry-David-cringe-meh-gif-Img-wyjc.gif)
The Cubs really need to hire Eli to translate all of their news into sitcom gifs. It's the language of our times.
Lamest trade rumor ever? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/11/brewers-mariners-trade.html)
A trade is nigh! No idea who or what but, damnit, it's close!
Quote from: Oleg on November 20, 2015, 11:49:20 AM
Lamest trade rumor ever? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/11/brewers-mariners-trade.html)
A trade is nigh! No idea who or what but, damnit, it's close!
"Lots of activity" on Adam Lind. Because dammit, you need to make your move when The Great Adam Lind is available.
Quote from: SKO on November 20, 2015, 11:44:22 AM
Quote from: Oleg on November 20, 2015, 11:42:29 AM
Yeah...the more I think about, the more I think fuck it.
Quote from: Eli on November 20, 2015, 10:03:11 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 20, 2015, 09:58:59 AM
Starlin for Brett Gardner? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/11/yankees-garnder-cubs-castro-trade.html)
(http://img.pandawhale.com/post-31580-Larry-David-cringe-meh-gif-Img-wyjc.gif)
The Cubs really need to hire Eli to translate all of their news into sitcom gifs. It's the language of our times.
My father taught an intro to business class Gardner took in college. Now every baseball season phone call, he tells me all about "his boy" is doing. The last thing I need is to hear about him playing for the Cubs.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 20, 2015, 11:52:23 AM
Quote from: Oleg on November 20, 2015, 11:49:20 AM
Lamest trade rumor ever? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/11/brewers-mariners-trade.html)
A trade is nigh! No idea who or what but, damnit, it's close!
"Lots of activity" on Adam Lind. Because dammit, you need to make your move when The Great Adam Lind is available.
And...nothing (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/11/mariners-brewers-luis-sardinas-trade.html) to do with Lind.
Quote from: Bort on November 20, 2015, 12:54:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 20, 2015, 11:44:22 AM
Quote from: Oleg on November 20, 2015, 11:42:29 AM
Yeah...the more I think about, the more I think fuck it.
Quote from: Eli on November 20, 2015, 10:03:11 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 20, 2015, 09:58:59 AM
Starlin for Brett Gardner? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/11/yankees-garnder-cubs-castro-trade.html)
(http://img.pandawhale.com/post-31580-Larry-David-cringe-meh-gif-Img-wyjc.gif)
The Cubs really need to hire Eli to translate all of their news into sitcom gifs. It's the language of our times.
My father taught an intro to business class Gardner took in college. Now every baseball season phone call, he tells me all about "his boy" is doing. The last thing I need is to hear about him playing for the Cubs.
False alarm. (https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/667771297276018688)
Quote from: Oleg on November 20, 2015, 01:10:35 PM
Quote from: Bort on November 20, 2015, 12:54:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 20, 2015, 11:44:22 AM
Quote from: Oleg on November 20, 2015, 11:42:29 AM
Yeah...the more I think about, the more I think fuck it.
Quote from: Eli on November 20, 2015, 10:03:11 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 20, 2015, 09:58:59 AM
Starlin for Brett Gardner? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/11/yankees-garnder-cubs-castro-trade.html)
(http://img.pandawhale.com/post-31580-Larry-David-cringe-meh-gif-Img-wyjc.gif)
The Cubs really need to hire Eli to translate all of their news into sitcom gifs. It's the language of our times.
My father taught an intro to business class Gardner took in college. Now every baseball season phone call, he tells me all about "his boy" is doing. The last thing I need is to hear about him playing for the Cubs.
False alarm. (https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/667771297276018688)
God, I hope so.
Blah, blah...Cubs/Braves (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/11/cubs-braves-trade-talks-pitching-ozuna.html) are talking baseball.
Quote from: Oleg on November 20, 2015, 04:58:44 PM
Blah, blah...Cubs/Braves (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/11/cubs-braves-trade-talks-pitching-ozuna.html) are talking baseball.
Wake me when it's Ken Griffey's grotesquely swollen jaw.
Quote from: Oleg on November 20, 2015, 04:58:44 PM
Blah, blah...Cubs/Braves (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/11/cubs-braves-trade-talks-pitching-ozuna.html) are talking baseball.
Soler for Miller, pay up for Heyward, get a #4 somewhere and we goin' Sizzler.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 20, 2015, 11:30:23 PM
Quote from: Oleg on November 20, 2015, 04:58:44 PM
Blah, blah...Cubs/Braves (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/11/cubs-braves-trade-talks-pitching-ozuna.html) are talking baseball.
Soler for Miller, pay up for Heyward, get a #4 somewhere and we goin' Sizzler.
Miller and a #4? Sounds a lot like bullshit toleration to me.
Have we gone over thought son Marcell Ozuna? I don't really feel like back through this but am wondering what the thought is on him? I'm guessing The Marlins would be looking for some pitching back but I wouldn't mind seeing The Cubs take a flier on this kid.
He's not a leadoff hitter and his defense may turn out to be major league average in CF. Would The Marlins ask for more than he may be worth right now?
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 12:53:41 PM
Have we gone over thought son Marcell Ozuna? I don't really feel like back through this but am wondering what the thought is on him? I'm guessing The Marlins would be looking for some pitching back but I wouldn't mind seeing The Cubs take a flier on this kid.
He's not a leadoff hitter and his defense may turn out to be major league average in CF. Would The Marlins ask for more than he may be worth right now?
The whole Thought Son?
Quote from: Bort on December 03, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 12:53:41 PM
Have we gone over thought son Marcell Ozuna? I don't really feel like back through this but am wondering what the thought is on him? I'm guessing The Marlins would be looking for some pitching back but I wouldn't mind seeing The Cubs take a flier on this kid.
He's not a leadoff hitter and his defense may turn out to be major league average in CF. Would The Marlins ask for more than he may be worth right now?
The whole Thought Son?
I seriously stared at Thought Son for like a full minute trying to figure out what the hell he meant by it before I realized it was a typo.
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 01:12:56 PM
Quote from: Bort on December 03, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 12:53:41 PM
Have we gone over thought son Marcell Ozuna? I don't really feel like back through this but am wondering what the thought is on him? I'm guessing The Marlins would be looking for some pitching back but I wouldn't mind seeing The Cubs take a flier on this kid.
He's not a leadoff hitter and his defense may turn out to be major league average in CF. Would The Marlins ask for more than he may be worth right now?
The whole Thought Son?
I seriously stared at Thought Son for like a full minute trying to figure out what the hell he meant by it before I realized it was a typo.
Should of been "thought sun".
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 01:25:45 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 01:12:56 PM
Quote from: Bort on December 03, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 12:53:41 PM
Have we gone over thought son Marcell Ozuna? I don't really feel like back through this but am wondering what the thought is on him? I'm guessing The Marlins would be looking for some pitching back but I wouldn't mind seeing The Cubs take a flier on this kid.
He's not a leadoff hitter and his defense may turn out to be major league average in CF. Would The Marlins ask for more than he may be worth right now?
The whole Thought Son?
I seriously stared at Thought Son for like a full minute trying to figure out what the hell he meant by it before I realized it was a typo.
Should of been "thought sun".
This is as much thought as Ozuna merits, son.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:13:47 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 01:25:45 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 01:12:56 PM
Quote from: Bort on December 03, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 12:53:41 PM
Have we gone over thought son Marcell Ozuna? I don't really feel like back through this but am wondering what the thought is on him? I'm guessing The Marlins would be looking for some pitching back but I wouldn't mind seeing The Cubs take a flier on this kid.
He's not a leadoff hitter and his defense may turn out to be major league average in CF. Would The Marlins ask for more than he may be worth right now?
The whole Thought Son?
I seriously stared at Thought Son for like a full minute trying to figure out what the hell he meant by it before I realized it was a typo.
Should of been "thought sun".
This is as much thought as Ozuna merits, son.
You're probably right. 4-win 24 year olds who hit 23 home runs in the majors with a 115 wRC+ and play a fairly premium defensive positions where The Cubs need help grow on trees.
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 02:27:56 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:13:47 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 01:25:45 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 01:12:56 PM
Quote from: Bort on December 03, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 12:53:41 PM
Have we gone over thought son Marcell Ozuna? I don't really feel like back through this but am wondering what the thought is on him? I'm guessing The Marlins would be looking for some pitching back but I wouldn't mind seeing The Cubs take a flier on this kid.
He's not a leadoff hitter and his defense may turn out to be major league average in CF. Would The Marlins ask for more than he may be worth right now?
The whole Thought Son?
I seriously stared at Thought Son for like a full minute trying to figure out what the hell he meant by it before I realized it was a typo.
Should of been "thought sun".
This is as much thought as Ozuna merits, son.
You're probably right. 4-win 24 year olds who hit 23 home runs in the majors with a 115 wRC+ and play a fairly premium defensive positions where The Cubs need help grow on trees.
RV basically suggested we stop replying to Fork's posts and I can't say he's wrong.
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:29:39 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 02:27:56 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:13:47 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 01:25:45 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 01:12:56 PM
Quote from: Bort on December 03, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 12:53:41 PM
Have we gone over thought son Marcell Ozuna? I don't really feel like back through this but am wondering what the thought is on him? I'm guessing The Marlins would be looking for some pitching back but I wouldn't mind seeing The Cubs take a flier on this kid.
He's not a leadoff hitter and his defense may turn out to be major league average in CF. Would The Marlins ask for more than he may be worth right now?
The whole Thought Son?
I seriously stared at Thought Son for like a full minute trying to figure out what the hell he meant by it before I realized it was a typo.
Should of been "thought sun".
This is as much thought as Ozuna merits, son.
You're probably right. 4-win 24 year olds who hit 23 home runs in the majors with a 115 wRC+ and play a fairly premium defensive positions where The Cubs need help grow on trees.
RV basically suggested we stop replying to Fork's posts and I can't say he's wrong.
I think he was trying to give you a promotion with this fringe organization. Maybe he likes the cut of your jib.
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 02:38:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:29:39 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 02:27:56 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:13:47 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 01:25:45 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 01:12:56 PM
Quote from: Bort on December 03, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 12:53:41 PM
Have we gone over thought son Marcell Ozuna? I don't really feel like back through this but am wondering what the thought is on him? I'm guessing The Marlins would be looking for some pitching back but I wouldn't mind seeing The Cubs take a flier on this kid.
He's not a leadoff hitter and his defense may turn out to be major league average in CF. Would The Marlins ask for more than he may be worth right now?
The whole Thought Son?
I seriously stared at Thought Son for like a full minute trying to figure out what the hell he meant by it before I realized it was a typo.
Should of been "thought sun".
This is as much thought as Ozuna merits, son.
You're probably right. 4-win 24 year olds who hit 23 home runs in the majors with a 115 wRC+ and play a fairly premium defensive positions where The Cubs need help grow on trees.
RV basically suggested we stop replying to Fork's posts and I can't say he's wrong.
I think he was trying to give you a promotion with this fringe organization. Maybe he likes the cut of your jib.
I would be fine with the Cubs looking into Ozuna, but his value seems to be way too dependent on his power. He never walks, OBPs have been pretty bad. Doesn't really fit the profile of the guys Jepstink really like to go after.
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 02:27:56 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:13:47 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 01:25:45 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 01:12:56 PM
Quote from: Bort on December 03, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 12:53:41 PM
Have we gone over thought son Marcell Ozuna? I don't really feel like back through this but am wondering what the thought is on him? I'm guessing The Marlins would be looking for some pitching back but I wouldn't mind seeing The Cubs take a flier on this kid.
He's not a leadoff hitter and his defense may turn out to be major league average in CF. Would The Marlins ask for more than he may be worth right now?
The whole Thought Son?
I seriously stared at Thought Son for like a full minute trying to figure out what the hell he meant by it before I realized it was a typo.
Should of been "thought sun".
This is as much thought as Ozuna merits, son.
You're probably right. 4-win 24 year olds who hit 23 home runs in the majors with a 115 wRC+ and play a fairly premium defensive positions where The Cubs need help grow on trees.
The tree that grows guys with 90 OPS+ should be cut down.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:43:34 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 02:27:56 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:13:47 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 01:25:45 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 01:12:56 PM
Quote from: Bort on December 03, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 12:53:41 PM
Have we gone over thought son Marcell Ozuna? I don't really feel like back through this but am wondering what the thought is on him? I'm guessing The Marlins would be looking for some pitching back but I wouldn't mind seeing The Cubs take a flier on this kid.
He's not a leadoff hitter and his defense may turn out to be major league average in CF. Would The Marlins ask for more than he may be worth right now?
The whole Thought Son?
I seriously stared at Thought Son for like a full minute trying to figure out what the hell he meant by it before I realized it was a typo.
Should of been "thought sun".
This is as much thought as Ozuna merits, son.
You're probably right. 4-win 24 year olds who hit 23 home runs in the majors with a 115 wRC+ and play a fairly premium defensive positions where The Cubs need help grow on trees.
The tree that grows guys with 90 OPS+ should be cut down.
If Ozuna was a Cub you'd be talking about how they shouldn't trade him for Shelby Miller.
Quote from: Eli on December 03, 2015, 03:00:56 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:43:34 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 02:27:56 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:13:47 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 01:25:45 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 01:12:56 PM
Quote from: Bort on December 03, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 12:53:41 PM
Have we gone over thought son Marcell Ozuna? I don't really feel like back through this but am wondering what the thought is on him? I'm guessing The Marlins would be looking for some pitching back but I wouldn't mind seeing The Cubs take a flier on this kid.
He's not a leadoff hitter and his defense may turn out to be major league average in CF. Would The Marlins ask for more than he may be worth right now?
The whole Thought Son?
I seriously stared at Thought Son for like a full minute trying to figure out what the hell he meant by it before I realized it was a typo.
Should of been "thought sun".
This is as much thought as Ozuna merits, son.
You're probably right. 4-win 24 year olds who hit 23 home runs in the majors with a 115 wRC+ and play a fairly premium defensive positions where The Cubs need help grow on trees.
The tree that grows guys with 90 OPS+ should be cut down.
If Ozuna was a Cub you'd be talking about how they shouldn't trade him for Shelby Miller.
I strongly support acquiring Ozuna and flipping him for Shelby Miller.
Quote from: PenFoe on December 03, 2015, 03:06:11 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 03, 2015, 03:00:56 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:43:34 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 02:27:56 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:13:47 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 01:25:45 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 01:12:56 PM
Quote from: Bort on December 03, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 12:53:41 PM
Have we gone over thought son Marcell Ozuna? I don't really feel like back through this but am wondering what the thought is on him? I'm guessing The Marlins would be looking for some pitching back but I wouldn't mind seeing The Cubs take a flier on this kid.
He's not a leadoff hitter and his defense may turn out to be major league average in CF. Would The Marlins ask for more than he may be worth right now?
The whole Thought Son?
I seriously stared at Thought Son for like a full minute trying to figure out what the hell he meant by it before I realized it was a typo.
Should of been "thought sun".
This is as much thought as Ozuna merits, son.
You're probably right. 4-win 24 year olds who hit 23 home runs in the majors with a 115 wRC+ and play a fairly premium defensive positions where The Cubs need help grow on trees.
The tree that grows guys with 90 OPS+ should be cut down.
If Ozuna was a Cub you'd be talking about how they shouldn't trade him for Shelby Miller.
I strongly support acquiring Ozuna for Chris Coghlan and Travis Wood and flipping him for Shelby Miller.
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:42:40 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 02:38:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 02:29:39 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 02:27:56 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:13:47 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 01:25:45 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 01:12:56 PM
Quote from: Bort on December 03, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 12:53:41 PM
Have we gone over thought son Marcell Ozuna? I don't really feel like back through this but am wondering what the thought is on him? I'm guessing The Marlins would be looking for some pitching back but I wouldn't mind seeing The Cubs take a flier on this kid.
He's not a leadoff hitter and his defense may turn out to be major league average in CF. Would The Marlins ask for more than he may be worth right now?
The whole Thought Son?
I seriously stared at Thought Son for like a full minute trying to figure out what the hell he meant by it before I realized it was a typo.
Should of been "thought sun".
This is as much thought as Ozuna merits, son.
You're probably right. 4-win 24 year olds who hit 23 home runs in the majors with a 115 wRC+ and play a fairly premium defensive positions where The Cubs need help grow on trees.
RV basically suggested we stop replying to Fork's posts and I can't say he's wrong.
I think he was trying to give you a promotion with this fringe organization. Maybe he likes the cut of your jib.
I would be fine with the Cubs looking into Ozuna, but his value seems to be way too dependent on his power. He never walks, OBPs have been pretty bad. Doesn't really fit the profile of the guys Jepstink really like to go after.
Yeah, he's not ideal. If he was 25 and ideal, he wouldn't be available. Like I said, he's not a lead off hitter but he's young and he can play a very good CF. He hits for power and is an athlete with plenty of years of team control left, thanks to The Marlins fucking around with him last year.
His batted ball stats look somewhat interesting from 2014 to 2015. I wouldn't be happy to give up anything very substantial but he has value. What is it?
Quote from: Eli on December 03, 2015, 03:00:56 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:43:34 PM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:13:47 PM
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Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 01:12:56 PM
Quote from: Bort on December 03, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 12:53:41 PM
Have we gone over thought son Marcell Ozuna? I don't really feel like back through this but am wondering what the thought is on him? I'm guessing The Marlins would be looking for some pitching back but I wouldn't mind seeing The Cubs take a flier on this kid.
He's not a leadoff hitter and his defense may turn out to be major league average in CF. Would The Marlins ask for more than he may be worth right now?
The whole Thought Son?
I seriously stared at Thought Son for like a full minute trying to figure out what the hell he meant by it before I realized it was a typo.
Should of been "thought sun".
This is as much thought as Ozuna merits, son.
You're probably right. 4-win 24 year olds who hit 23 home runs in the majors with a 115 wRC+ and play a fairly premium defensive positions where The Cubs need help grow on trees.
The tree that grows guys with 90 OPS+ should be cut down.
If Ozuna was a Cub you'd be talking about how they shouldn't trade him for Shelby Miller.
Ozuna for Miller would actually be a decent trade.
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 01:12:56 PM
Quote from: Bort on December 03, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 12:53:41 PM
Have we gone over thought son Marcell Ozuna? I don't really feel like back through this but am wondering what the thought is on him? I'm guessing The Marlins would be looking for some pitching back but I wouldn't mind seeing The Cubs take a flier on this kid.
He's not a leadoff hitter and his defense may turn out to be major league average in CF. Would The Marlins ask for more than he may be worth right now?
The whole Thought Son?
I seriously stared at Thought Son for like a full minute trying to figure out what the hell he meant by it before I realized it was a typo.
Meanwhile I've been snickering at the exceedingly formal capitalization of The Marlins and The Cubs.
Quote from: PenFoe on December 03, 2015, 03:06:11 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 03, 2015, 03:00:56 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:43:34 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 02:27:56 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:13:47 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 01:25:45 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 01:12:56 PM
Quote from: Bort on December 03, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 12:53:41 PM
Have we gone over thought son Marcell Ozuna? I don't really feel like back through this but am wondering what the thought is on him? I'm guessing The Marlins would be looking for some pitching back but I wouldn't mind seeing The Cubs take a flier on this kid.
He's not a leadoff hitter and his defense may turn out to be major league average in CF. Would The Marlins ask for more than he may be worth right now?
The whole Thought Son?
I seriously stared at Thought Son for like a full minute trying to figure out what the hell he meant by it before I realized it was a typo.
Should of been "thought sun".
This is as much thought as Ozuna merits, son.
You're probably right. 4-win 24 year olds who hit 23 home runs in the majors with a 115 wRC+ and play a fairly premium defensive positions where The Cubs need help grow on trees.
The tree that grows guys with 90 OPS+ should be cut down.
If Ozuna was a Cub you'd be talking about how they shouldn't trade him for Shelby Miller.
I strongly support acquiring Ozuna and flipping him for Shelby Miller.
Damnit, I can't stop thinking about this as it makes some sense. The Braves have Markakis and Oliverra in the corners already, which is why Soler may not be a fit for them anyway.
The Braves probably don't want to deal Miller to a division rival, as they both seem to be in similar places in the win cycle.
I'm sure it would take more than Ozuna to get Miller.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 03, 2015, 03:28:00 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 01:12:56 PM
Quote from: Bort on December 03, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 12:53:41 PM
Have we gone over thought son Marcell Ozuna? I don't really feel like back through this but am wondering what the thought is on him? I'm guessing The Marlins would be looking for some pitching back but I wouldn't mind seeing The Cubs take a flier on this kid.
He's not a leadoff hitter and his defense may turn out to be major league average in CF. Would The Marlins ask for more than he may be worth right now?
The whole Thought Son?
I seriously stared at Thought Son for like a full minute trying to figure out what the hell he meant by it before I realized it was a typo.
Meanwhile I've been snickering at the exceedingly formal capitalization of The Marlins and The Cubs.
I'm nothing if not prim and proper.
Quote from: Bort on December 03, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 12:53:41 PM
Have we gone over thought son Marcell Ozuna? I don't really feel like back through this but am wondering what the thought is on him? I'm guessing The Marlins would be looking for some pitching back but I wouldn't mind seeing The Cubs take a flier on this kid.
He's not a leadoff hitter and his defense may turn out to be major league average in CF. Would The Marlins ask for more than he may be worth right now?
The whole Thought Son?
One of the lesser known Wu-Tang affiliates.
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 03:51:46 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 03, 2015, 03:06:11 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 03, 2015, 03:00:56 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:43:34 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 02:27:56 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:13:47 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 01:25:45 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 01:12:56 PM
Quote from: Bort on December 03, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 12:53:41 PM
Have we gone over thought son Marcell Ozuna? I don't really feel like back through this but am wondering what the thought is on him? I'm guessing The Marlins would be looking for some pitching back but I wouldn't mind seeing The Cubs take a flier on this kid.
He's not a leadoff hitter and his defense may turn out to be major league average in CF. Would The Marlins ask for more than he may be worth right now?
The whole Thought Son?
I seriously stared at Thought Son for like a full minute trying to figure out what the hell he meant by it before I realized it was a typo.
Should of been "thought sun".
This is as much thought as Ozuna merits, son.
You're probably right. 4-win 24 year olds who hit 23 home runs in the majors with a 115 wRC+ and play a fairly premium defensive positions where The Cubs need help grow on trees.
The tree that grows guys with 90 OPS+ should be cut down.
If Ozuna was a Cub you'd be talking about how they shouldn't trade him for Shelby Miller.
I strongly support acquiring Ozuna and flipping him for Shelby Miller.
Damnit, I can't stop thinking about this as it makes some sense. The Braves have Markakis and Oliverra in the corners already, which is why Soler may not be a fit for them anyway.
The Braves probably don't want to deal Miller to a division rival, as they both seem to be in similar places in the win cycle.
I'm sure it would take more than Ozuna to get Miller.
Under the "tutelage" of Marlins' hitting coach Barry Bonds, Ozuna will hit 80 HRs next season anyway.
Quote from: InternetApex on December 04, 2015, 09:57:51 AM
Quote from: Bort on December 03, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 12:53:41 PM
Have we gone over thought son Marcell Ozuna? I don't really feel like back through this but am wondering what the thought is on him? I'm guessing The Marlins would be looking for some pitching back but I wouldn't mind seeing The Cubs take a flier on this kid.
He's not a leadoff hitter and his defense may turn out to be major league average in CF. Would The Marlins ask for more than he may be worth right now?
The whole Thought Son?
One of the lesser known Wu-Tang affiliates.
Validated.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 04, 2015, 10:35:51 AM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 03:51:46 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 03, 2015, 03:06:11 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 03, 2015, 03:00:56 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:43:34 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 02:27:56 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:13:47 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 01:25:45 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 01:12:56 PM
Quote from: Bort on December 03, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 12:53:41 PM
Have we gone over thought son Marcell Ozuna? I don't really feel like back through this but am wondering what the thought is on him? I'm guessing The Marlins would be looking for some pitching back but I wouldn't mind seeing The Cubs take a flier on this kid.
He's not a leadoff hitter and his defense may turn out to be major league average in CF. Would The Marlins ask for more than he may be worth right now?
The whole Thought Son?
I seriously stared at Thought Son for like a full minute trying to figure out what the hell he meant by it before I realized it was a typo.
Should of been "thought sun".
This is as much thought as Ozuna merits, son.
You're probably right. 4-win 24 year olds who hit 23 home runs in the majors with a 115 wRC+ and play a fairly premium defensive positions where The Cubs need help grow on trees.
The tree that grows guys with 90 OPS+ should be cut down.
If Ozuna was a Cub you'd be talking about how they shouldn't trade him for Shelby Miller.
I strongly support acquiring Ozuna and flipping him for Shelby Miller.
Damnit, I can't stop thinking about this as it makes some sense. The Braves have Markakis and Oliverra in the corners already, which is why Soler may not be a fit for them anyway.
The Braves probably don't want to deal Miller to a division rival, as they both seem to be in similar places in the win cycle.
I'm sure it would take more than Ozuna to get Miller.
Under the "tutelage" of Marlins' hitting coach Barry Bonds, Ozuna will hit 80 HRs next season anyway.
Bonds is gonna be all like, "You ever heard of steroids, man?" and Ozuna will be like, "No I haven't" and Bonds will be like, "Here take some" and then Ozuna will be amazing.
Quote from: Eli on December 04, 2015, 11:56:26 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 04, 2015, 10:35:51 AM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 03:51:46 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 03, 2015, 03:06:11 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 03, 2015, 03:00:56 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:43:34 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 02:27:56 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 03, 2015, 02:13:47 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 01:25:45 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 03, 2015, 01:12:56 PM
Quote from: Bort on December 03, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 03, 2015, 12:53:41 PM
Have we gone over thought son Marcell Ozuna? I don't really feel like back through this but am wondering what the thought is on him? I'm guessing The Marlins would be looking for some pitching back but I wouldn't mind seeing The Cubs take a flier on this kid.
He's not a leadoff hitter and his defense may turn out to be major league average in CF. Would The Marlins ask for more than he may be worth right now?
The whole Thought Son?
I seriously stared at Thought Son for like a full minute trying to figure out what the hell he meant by it before I realized it was a typo.
Should of been "thought sun".
This is as much thought as Ozuna merits, son.
You're probably right. 4-win 24 year olds who hit 23 home runs in the majors with a 115 wRC+ and play a fairly premium defensive positions where The Cubs need help grow on trees.
The tree that grows guys with 90 OPS+ should be cut down.
If Ozuna was a Cub you'd be talking about how they shouldn't trade him for Shelby Miller.
I strongly support acquiring Ozuna and flipping him for Shelby Miller.
Damnit, I can't stop thinking about this as it makes some sense. The Braves have Markakis and Oliverra in the corners already, which is why Soler may not be a fit for them anyway.
The Braves probably don't want to deal Miller to a division rival, as they both seem to be in similar places in the win cycle.
I'm sure it would take more than Ozuna to get Miller.
Under the "tutelage" of Marlins' hitting coach Barry Bonds, Ozuna will hit 80 HRs next season anyway.
Bonds is gonna be all like, "You ever heard of steroids, man?" and Ozuna will be like, "No I haven't" and Bonds will be like, "Here take some" and then Ozuna will be amazing.
"also, you're gonna need a bigger hat."
Soler/Baez for Carrasco/Chisenhall? (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/coming-to-terms-with-carlos-carrascos-trade-value/)
It mentions there would have to be more...maybe adding Almora? I think I might be all right with that deal.
Holy shit. When does Spring Training start?
Another rumor...Baez's BMI to The Rays? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/12/rays-cubs-discussing-trade-involving-javier-baez.html)
Quote from: Oleg on December 07, 2015, 10:29:42 AM
Another rumor...Baez's BMI to The Rays? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/12/rays-cubs-discussing-trade-involving-javier-baez.html)
Something based around McGee and Odorizzi, maybe?
Quote from: Eli on December 07, 2015, 11:04:49 AM
Quote from: Oleg on December 07, 2015, 10:29:42 AM
Another rumor...Baez's BMI to The Rays? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/12/rays-cubs-discussing-trade-involving-javier-baez.html)
Something based around McGee and Odorizzi, maybe?
That would be good.
Would you rather Boxberger or McGee?
Would you rather have Odorizzi or Moore?
Quote from: Oleg on December 07, 2015, 11:44:01 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 07, 2015, 11:04:49 AM
Quote from: Oleg on December 07, 2015, 10:29:42 AM
Another rumor...Baez's BMI to The Rays? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/12/rays-cubs-discussing-trade-involving-javier-baez.html)
Something based around McGee and Odorizzi, maybe?
That would be good.
Would you rather Boxberger or McGee?
Would you rather have Odorizzi or Moore?
Just looking purely at numbers over the last 3 years - and not knowing much at all about either outside of that - I'd say McGee to your first question. Boxberger has a better K rate, but walks an additional batter per nine innings over McGee, and McGee's FIP is about a run lower. That being said, Boxberger is two years younger so maybe he's young enough that Bosio could pull some wizardry with that walk rate.
Quote from: Oleg on December 07, 2015, 11:44:01 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 07, 2015, 11:04:49 AM
Quote from: Oleg on December 07, 2015, 10:29:42 AM
Another rumor...Baez's BMI to The Rays? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/12/rays-cubs-discussing-trade-involving-javier-baez.html)
Something based around McGee and Odorizzi, maybe?
That would be good.
Would you rather Boxberger or McGee?
Would you rather have Odorizzi or Moore?
I'd rather they don't trade Javy.
ETA: This was overly simplistic. I value Javy a lot higher than Soler, but maybe other teams all feel the same way. So it could be that Soler doesn't have enough value to bring back the kind of arm they want.
Quote from: Eli on December 07, 2015, 12:36:27 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 07, 2015, 11:44:01 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 07, 2015, 11:04:49 AM
Quote from: Oleg on December 07, 2015, 10:29:42 AM
Another rumor...Baez's BMI to The Rays? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/12/rays-cubs-discussing-trade-involving-javier-baez.html)
Something based around McGee and Odorizzi, maybe?
That would be good.
Would you rather Boxberger or McGee?
Would you rather have Odorizzi or Moore?
I'd rather they don't trade Javy.
ETA: This was overly simplistic. I value Javy a lot higher than Soler, but maybe other teams all feel the same way. So it could be that Soler doesn't have enough value to bring back the kind of arm they want.
Let's just sign Wei Yin Chen, offer Heyward everything that's left, trade nobody, and count the Ws.
I say this because I accept that Javy or Jorge is probably going to be traded and the team will be better for it but I don't like thinking about them being traded.
Quote from: SKO on December 07, 2015, 12:43:44 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 07, 2015, 12:36:27 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 07, 2015, 11:44:01 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 07, 2015, 11:04:49 AM
Quote from: Oleg on December 07, 2015, 10:29:42 AM
Another rumor...Baez's BMI to The Rays? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/12/rays-cubs-discussing-trade-involving-javier-baez.html)
Something based around McGee and Odorizzi, maybe?
That would be good.
Would you rather Boxberger or McGee?
Would you rather have Odorizzi or Moore?
I'd rather they don't trade Javy.
ETA: This was overly simplistic. I value Javy a lot higher than Soler, but maybe other teams all feel the same way. So it could be that Soler doesn't have enough value to bring back the kind of arm they want.
Let's just sign Wei Yin Chen, offer Heyward everything that's left, trade nobody, and count the Ws.
I say this because I accept that Javy or Jorge is probably going to be traded and the team will be better for it but I don't like thinking about them being traded.
I don't see why the Cubs have to trade either - despite what we've seen from both of them, their injuries have slowed their development. They've got fuckloads of potential, but it kind of feels like selling low.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 07, 2015, 01:12:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 07, 2015, 12:43:44 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 07, 2015, 12:36:27 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 07, 2015, 11:44:01 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 07, 2015, 11:04:49 AM
Quote from: Oleg on December 07, 2015, 10:29:42 AM
Another rumor...Baez's BMI to The Rays? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/12/rays-cubs-discussing-trade-involving-javier-baez.html)
Something based around McGee and Odorizzi, maybe?
That would be good.
Would you rather Boxberger or McGee?
Would you rather have Odorizzi or Moore?
I'd rather they don't trade Javy.
ETA: This was overly simplistic. I value Javy a lot higher than Soler, but maybe other teams all feel the same way. So it could be that Soler doesn't have enough value to bring back the kind of arm they want.
Let's just sign Wei Yin Chen, offer Heyward everything that's left, trade nobody, and count the Ws.
I say this because I accept that Javy or Jorge is probably going to be traded and the team will be better for it but I don't like thinking about them being traded.
I don't see why the Cubs have to trade either - despite what we've seen from both of them, their injuries have slowed their development. They've got fuckloads of potential, but it kind of feels like selling low.
After Soler's playoff performance?
Quote from: Eli on December 07, 2015, 01:14:19 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 07, 2015, 01:12:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 07, 2015, 12:43:44 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 07, 2015, 12:36:27 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 07, 2015, 11:44:01 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 07, 2015, 11:04:49 AM
Quote from: Oleg on December 07, 2015, 10:29:42 AM
Another rumor...Baez's BMI to The Rays? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/12/rays-cubs-discussing-trade-involving-javier-baez.html)
Something based around McGee and Odorizzi, maybe?
That would be good.
Would you rather Boxberger or McGee?
Would you rather have Odorizzi or Moore?
I'd rather they don't trade Javy.
ETA: This was overly simplistic. I value Javy a lot higher than Soler, but maybe other teams all feel the same way. So it could be that Soler doesn't have enough value to bring back the kind of arm they want.
Let's just sign Wei Yin Chen, offer Heyward everything that's left, trade nobody, and count the Ws.
I say this because I accept that Javy or Jorge is probably going to be traded and the team will be better for it but I don't like thinking about them being traded.
I don't see why the Cubs have to trade either - despite what we've seen from both of them, their injuries have slowed their development. They've got fuckloads of potential, but it kind of feels like selling low.
After Soler's playoff performance?
I'd say yes, still. Though it's not as low as it might have been if he'd not strangled Adam Wainwrong to death with his giant, Cuban beef muscle.
Quote from: SKO on December 07, 2015, 12:43:44 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 07, 2015, 12:36:27 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 07, 2015, 11:44:01 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 07, 2015, 11:04:49 AM
Quote from: Oleg on December 07, 2015, 10:29:42 AM
Another rumor...Baez's BMI to The Rays? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/12/rays-cubs-discussing-trade-involving-javier-baez.html)
Something based around McGee and Odorizzi, maybe?
That would be good.
Would you rather Boxberger or McGee?
Would you rather have Odorizzi or Moore?
I'd rather they don't trade Javy.
ETA: This was overly simplistic. I value Javy a lot higher than Soler, but maybe other teams all feel the same way. So it could be that Soler doesn't have enough value to bring back the kind of arm they want.
Let's just sign Wei Yin Chen, offer Heyward everything that's left, trade nobody, and count the Ws.
I say this because I accept that Javy or Jorge is probably going to be traded and the team will be better for it but I don't like thinking about them being traded.
Every last drop of THIS.
Quote from: InternetApex on December 07, 2015, 01:17:46 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 07, 2015, 01:14:19 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 07, 2015, 01:12:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 07, 2015, 12:43:44 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 07, 2015, 12:36:27 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 07, 2015, 11:44:01 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 07, 2015, 11:04:49 AM
Quote from: Oleg on December 07, 2015, 10:29:42 AM
Another rumor...Baez's BMI to The Rays? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/12/rays-cubs-discussing-trade-involving-javier-baez.html)
Something based around McGee and Odorizzi, maybe?
That would be good.
Would you rather Boxberger or McGee?
Would you rather have Odorizzi or Moore?
I'd rather they don't trade Javy.
ETA: This was overly simplistic. I value Javy a lot higher than Soler, but maybe other teams all feel the same way. So it could be that Soler doesn't have enough value to bring back the kind of arm they want.
Let's just sign Wei Yin Chen, offer Heyward everything that's left, trade nobody, and count the Ws.
I say this because I accept that Javy or Jorge is probably going to be traded and the team will be better for it but I don't like thinking about them being traded.
I don't see why the Cubs have to trade either - despite what we've seen from both of them, their injuries have slowed their development. They've got fuckloads of potential, but it kind of feels like selling low.
After Soler's playoff performance?
I'd say yes, still. Though it's not as low as it might have been if he'd not strangled Adam Wainwrong to death with his giant, Cuban beef muscle.
I dunno. If Soler repeats this 2015 and puts up another inconsistent year (even if puts up like, 1 WAR), his trade value will have basically evaporated. Which still seems more way likely than him becoming some 30-homer beast who can also play defense and stay healthy.
Quote from: Eli on December 07, 2015, 01:14:19 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 07, 2015, 01:12:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 07, 2015, 12:43:44 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 07, 2015, 12:36:27 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 07, 2015, 11:44:01 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 07, 2015, 11:04:49 AM
Quote from: Oleg on December 07, 2015, 10:29:42 AM
Another rumor...Baez's BMI to The Rays? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/12/rays-cubs-discussing-trade-involving-javier-baez.html)
Something based around McGee and Odorizzi, maybe?
That would be good.
Would you rather Boxberger or McGee?
Would you rather have Odorizzi or Moore?
I'd rather they don't trade Javy.
ETA: This was overly simplistic. I value Javy a lot higher than Soler, but maybe other teams all feel the same way. So it could be that Soler doesn't have enough value to bring back the kind of arm they want.
Let's just sign Wei Yin Chen, offer Heyward everything that's left, trade nobody, and count the Ws.
I say this because I accept that Javy or Jorge is probably going to be traded and the team will be better for it but I don't like thinking about them being traded.
I don't see why the Cubs have to trade either - despite what we've seen from both of them, their injuries have slowed their development. They've got fuckloads of potential, but it kind of feels like selling low.
After Soler's playoff performance?
Wait...selling low? I understand if you don't really have a good sense of who The Rays' pitchers are but I don't think trading Javy (as a centerpiece) for one of the RPs and one of those SPs is selling low, per se.
It's another thing to not want to trade away Javy, and I'm probably in that camp, but if he brings back that much goodness, I might be inclined to like that trade.
Let's see how it plays out.
Quote from: Oleg on December 07, 2015, 01:22:30 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 07, 2015, 01:14:19 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on December 07, 2015, 01:12:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on December 07, 2015, 12:43:44 PM
Quote from: Eli on December 07, 2015, 12:36:27 PM
Quote from: Oleg on December 07, 2015, 11:44:01 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 07, 2015, 11:04:49 AM
Quote from: Oleg on December 07, 2015, 10:29:42 AM
Another rumor...Baez's BMI to The Rays? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/12/rays-cubs-discussing-trade-involving-javier-baez.html)
Something based around McGee and Odorizzi, maybe?
That would be good.
Would you rather Boxberger or McGee?
Would you rather have Odorizzi or Moore?
I'd rather they don't trade Javy.
ETA: This was overly simplistic. I value Javy a lot higher than Soler, but maybe other teams all feel the same way. So it could be that Soler doesn't have enough value to bring back the kind of arm they want.
Let's just sign Wei Yin Chen, offer Heyward everything that's left, trade nobody, and count the Ws.
I say this because I accept that Javy or Jorge is probably going to be traded and the team will be better for it but I don't like thinking about them being traded.
I don't see why the Cubs have to trade either - despite what we've seen from both of them, their injuries have slowed their development. They've got fuckloads of potential, but it kind of feels like selling low.
After Soler's playoff performance?
Wait...selling low? I understand if you don't really have a good sense of who The Rays' pitchers are but I don't think trading Javy (as a centerpiece) for one of the RPs and one of those SPs is selling low, per se.
It's another thing to not want to trade away Javy, and I'm probably in that camp, but if he brings back that much goodness, I might be inclined to like that trade.
Let's see how it plays out.
If they can turn Baez and anyone in the minors other than Gleyber (FULL DISCLOSURE: I don't think much of McKinney, but I understand some do) into Odorizzi AND Boxberger or McGee that's a trade I'd do.
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Another rumor...Baez's BMI to The Rays? (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/12/rays-cubs-discussing-trade-involving-javier-baez.html)
Something based around McGee and Odorizzi, maybe?
That would be good.
Would you rather Boxberger or McGee?
Would you rather have Odorizzi or Moore?
I'd rather they don't trade Javy.
ETA: This was overly simplistic. I value Javy a lot higher than Soler, but maybe other teams all feel the same way. So it could be that Soler doesn't have enough value to bring back the kind of arm they want.
Let's just sign Wei Yin Chen, offer Heyward everything that's left, trade nobody, and count the Ws.
I say this because I accept that Javy or Jorge is probably going to be traded and the team will be better for it but I don't like thinking about them being traded.
Every last drop of THIS.
Was scrolling down to say the same thing. They didn't get Price or Chapman but I'd settle for this plan.
Speaking of, what do you Desipiots think of Kenta Maeda? Yes, no, or meh?
What about sending some prospects, cash, and Miggy to the Brewers for Lucroy (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=7870&position=C)? The Brewers want to trade him, he projects to bounce back pretty well from an injury plagued 2015, was worth 13 wins from 2012-2014 before he got hurt, and is under team control through 2017. At that point you should know if Contreras really is ready to be your full time catcher, but in the meantime you get a guy who is almost certainly better than whatever is left of Montero's corpse while you make your title run.
Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:14:15 AM
What about sending some prospects, cash, and Miggy to the Brewers for Lucroy (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=7870&position=C)? The Brewers want to trade him, he projects to bounce back pretty well from an injury plagued 2015, was worth 13 wins from 2012-2014 before he got hurt, and is under team control through 2017. At that point you should know if Contreras really is ready to be your full time catcher, but in the meantime you get a guy who is almost certainly better than whatever is left of Montero's corpse while you make your title run.
Which prospects?
Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:14:15 AM
What about sending some prospects, cash, and Miggy to the Brewers for Lucroy (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=7870&position=C)? The Brewers want to trade him, he projects to bounce back pretty well from an injury plagued 2015, was worth 13 wins from 2012-2014 before he got hurt, and is under team control through 2017. At that point you should know if Contreras really is ready to be your full time catcher, but in the meantime you get a guy who is almost certainly better than whatever is left of Montero's corpse while you make your title run.
I have a dream that one of these days, the Pirates are going to have a massive communal brainfart and trade Cervelli to the Cubs.
Quote from: PANK! on February 15, 2016, 09:22:42 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:14:15 AM
What about sending some prospects, cash, and Miggy to the Brewers for Lucroy (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=7870&position=C)? The Brewers want to trade him, he projects to bounce back pretty well from an injury plagued 2015, was worth 13 wins from 2012-2014 before he got hurt, and is under team control through 2017. At that point you should know if Contreras really is ready to be your full time catcher, but in the meantime you get a guy who is almost certainly better than whatever is left of Montero's corpse while you make your title run.
Which prospects?
I dunno, presumably some mid-level and maybe one upper-level, in the abstract.
He's only got 2 years of control and he's coming off an injury plagued year, so maybe like Jeimer Candelario and some other stuff? If their Khris Davis trade is any indication they'll gamble on toolsy guys with upside.
I don't think they'd need to part with Gleyber or McKinney or Contreras, but some guys in that second tier.
Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:28:37 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 15, 2016, 09:22:42 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:14:15 AM
What about sending some prospects, cash, and Miggy to the Brewers for Lucroy (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=7870&position=C)? The Brewers want to trade him, he projects to bounce back pretty well from an injury plagued 2015, was worth 13 wins from 2012-2014 before he got hurt, and is under team control through 2017. At that point you should know if Contreras really is ready to be your full time catcher, but in the meantime you get a guy who is almost certainly better than whatever is left of Montero's corpse while you make your title run.
Which prospects?
I dunno, presumably some mid-level and maybe one upper-level, in the abstract.
He's only got 2 years of control and he's coming off an injury plagued year, so maybe like Jeimer Candelario and some other stuff? If their Khris Davis trade is any indication they'll gamble on toolsy guys with upside.
I don't think they'd need to part with Gleyber or McKinney or Contreras, but some guys in that second tier.
I'm hearing Candelario being talked up this year and I'm trying to discern if it's the Cubs' PR machine pumping him up or if the dude's a real prospect after an admittedly decent Age 21 season at AA. In any event, if the Brewers were okay with dealing LaCroy for the likes of Candelario then by all means, they can be my guest.
Quote from: PANK! on February 15, 2016, 09:51:19 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:28:37 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 15, 2016, 09:22:42 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:14:15 AM
What about sending some prospects, cash, and Miggy to the Brewers for Lucroy (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=7870&position=C)? The Brewers want to trade him, he projects to bounce back pretty well from an injury plagued 2015, was worth 13 wins from 2012-2014 before he got hurt, and is under team control through 2017. At that point you should know if Contreras really is ready to be your full time catcher, but in the meantime you get a guy who is almost certainly better than whatever is left of Montero's corpse while you make your title run.
Which prospects?
I dunno, presumably some mid-level and maybe one upper-level, in the abstract.
He's only got 2 years of control and he's coming off an injury plagued year, so maybe like Jeimer Candelario and some other stuff? If their Khris Davis trade is any indication they'll gamble on toolsy guys with upside.
I don't think they'd need to part with Gleyber or McKinney or Contreras, but some guys in that second tier.
I'm hearing Candelario being talked up this year and I'm trying to discern if it's the Cubs' PR machine pumping him up or if the dude's a real prospect after an admittedly decent Age 21 season at AA. In any event, if the Brewers were okay with dealing LaCroy for the likes of Candelario then by all means, they can be my guest.
He was a guy that got a lot of love before 2014 if I remember correctly (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8211.msg272681#msg272681). He has a lot of raw tools and his contact skills were highly praised. He fell off a lot of people's radars with a crappy 2014 and with the other prospects in the system being instant superstars, but then he hit well this year and he's considered a fairly legit prospect.
MLB Pipeline had him as a top ten 3B prospect, as did Keith Law, although both said he was just outside top 100 prospect status.
I doubt he alone would be enough to get Lucroy but it doesn't seem like the Brewers have much in the way of 3rd base prospects. He'd be a nice start to the package.
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Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:28:37 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 15, 2016, 09:22:42 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:14:15 AM
What about sending some prospects, cash, and Miggy to the Brewers for Lucroy (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=7870&position=C)? The Brewers want to trade him, he projects to bounce back pretty well from an injury plagued 2015, was worth 13 wins from 2012-2014 before he got hurt, and is under team control through 2017. At that point you should know if Contreras really is ready to be your full time catcher, but in the meantime you get a guy who is almost certainly better than whatever is left of Montero's corpse while you make your title run.
Which prospects?
I dunno, presumably some mid-level and maybe one upper-level, in the abstract.
He's only got 2 years of control and he's coming off an injury plagued year, so maybe like Jeimer Candelario and some other stuff? If their Khris Davis trade is any indication they'll gamble on toolsy guys with upside.
I don't think they'd need to part with Gleyber or McKinney or Contreras, but some guys in that second tier.
I'm hearing Candelario being talked up this year and I'm trying to discern if it's the Cubs' PR machine pumping him up or if the dude's a real prospect after an admittedly decent Age 21 season at AA. In any event, if the Brewers were okay with dealing LaCroy for the likes of Candelario then by all means, they can be my guest.
Hawkins?
Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 10:10:40 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 15, 2016, 09:51:19 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:28:37 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 15, 2016, 09:22:42 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:14:15 AM
What about sending some prospects, cash, and Miggy to the Brewers for Lucroy (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=7870&position=C)? The Brewers want to trade him, he projects to bounce back pretty well from an injury plagued 2015, was worth 13 wins from 2012-2014 before he got hurt, and is under team control through 2017. At that point you should know if Contreras really is ready to be your full time catcher, but in the meantime you get a guy who is almost certainly better than whatever is left of Montero's corpse while you make your title run.
Which prospects?
I dunno, presumably some mid-level and maybe one upper-level, in the abstract.
He's only got 2 years of control and he's coming off an injury plagued year, so maybe like Jeimer Candelario and some other stuff? If their Khris Davis trade is any indication they'll gamble on toolsy guys with upside.
I don't think they'd need to part with Gleyber or McKinney or Contreras, but some guys in that second tier.
I'm hearing Candelario being talked up this year and I'm trying to discern if it's the Cubs' PR machine pumping him up or if the dude's a real prospect after an admittedly decent Age 21 season at AA. In any event, if the Brewers were okay with dealing LaCroy for the likes of Candelario then by all means, they can be my guest.
He was a guy that got a lot of love before 2014 if I remember correctly (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8211.msg272681#msg272681). He has a lot of raw tools and his contact skills were highly praised. He fell off a lot of people's radars with a crappy 2014 and with the other prospects in the system being instant superstars, but then he hit well this year and he's considered a fairly legit prospect.
MLB Pipeline had him as a top ten 3B prospect, as did Keith Law, although both said he was just outside top 100 prospect status.
I doubt he alone would be enough to get Lucroy but it doesn't seem like the Brewers have much in the way of 3rd base prospects. He'd be a nice start to the package.
I'd think Candelario, Miggy and Almora gets it done.
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Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:28:37 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 15, 2016, 09:22:42 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:14:15 AM
What about sending some prospects, cash, and Miggy to the Brewers for Lucroy (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=7870&position=C)? The Brewers want to trade him, he projects to bounce back pretty well from an injury plagued 2015, was worth 13 wins from 2012-2014 before he got hurt, and is under team control through 2017. At that point you should know if Contreras really is ready to be your full time catcher, but in the meantime you get a guy who is almost certainly better than whatever is left of Montero's corpse while you make your title run.
Which prospects?
I dunno, presumably some mid-level and maybe one upper-level, in the abstract.
He's only got 2 years of control and he's coming off an injury plagued year, so maybe like Jeimer Candelario and some other stuff? If their Khris Davis trade is any indication they'll gamble on toolsy guys with upside.
I don't think they'd need to part with Gleyber or McKinney or Contreras, but some guys in that second tier.
I'm hearing Candelario being talked up this year and I'm trying to discern if it's the Cubs' PR machine pumping him up or if the dude's a real prospect after an admittedly decent Age 21 season at AA. In any event, if the Brewers were okay with dealing LaCroy for the likes of Candelario then by all means, they can be my guest.
He was a guy that got a lot of love before 2014 if I remember correctly (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8211.msg272681#msg272681). He has a lot of raw tools and his contact skills were highly praised. He fell off a lot of people's radars with a crappy 2014 and with the other prospects in the system being instant superstars, but then he hit well this year and he's considered a fairly legit prospect.
MLB Pipeline had him as a top ten 3B prospect, as did Keith Law, although both said he was just outside top 100 prospect status.
I doubt he alone would be enough to get Lucroy but it doesn't seem like the Brewers have much in the way of 3rd base prospects. He'd be a nice start to the package.
I'd think Candelario, Miggy and Almora gets it done.
Somebody get on the phone with Hoyer's secretary!
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on February 16, 2016, 08:58:52 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 10:10:40 AM
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Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:28:37 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 15, 2016, 09:22:42 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:14:15 AM
What about sending some prospects, cash, and Miggy to the Brewers for Lucroy (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=7870&position=C)? The Brewers want to trade him, he projects to bounce back pretty well from an injury plagued 2015, was worth 13 wins from 2012-2014 before he got hurt, and is under team control through 2017. At that point you should know if Contreras really is ready to be your full time catcher, but in the meantime you get a guy who is almost certainly better than whatever is left of Montero's corpse while you make your title run.
Which prospects?
I dunno, presumably some mid-level and maybe one upper-level, in the abstract.
He's only got 2 years of control and he's coming off an injury plagued year, so maybe like Jeimer Candelario and some other stuff? If their Khris Davis trade is any indication they'll gamble on toolsy guys with upside.
I don't think they'd need to part with Gleyber or McKinney or Contreras, but some guys in that second tier.
I'm hearing Candelario being talked up this year and I'm trying to discern if it's the Cubs' PR machine pumping him up or if the dude's a real prospect after an admittedly decent Age 21 season at AA. In any event, if the Brewers were okay with dealing LaCroy for the likes of Candelario then by all means, they can be my guest.
He was a guy that got a lot of love before 2014 if I remember correctly (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8211.msg272681#msg272681). He has a lot of raw tools and his contact skills were highly praised. He fell off a lot of people's radars with a crappy 2014 and with the other prospects in the system being instant superstars, but then he hit well this year and he's considered a fairly legit prospect.
MLB Pipeline had him as a top ten 3B prospect, as did Keith Law, although both said he was just outside top 100 prospect status.
I doubt he alone would be enough to get Lucroy but it doesn't seem like the Brewers have much in the way of 3rd base prospects. He'd be a nice start to the package.
I'd think Candelario, Miggy and Almora gets it done.
Somebody get on the phone with Hoyer's secretary!
Lucroy is a player who gets injured making his bed or packing a suitcase.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brewers/brewers-jonathan-lucroy-looks-to-rebound-in-2016-from-injury-filled-season-b99588582z1-330500461.html
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Quote from: PANK! on February 15, 2016, 09:51:19 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:28:37 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 15, 2016, 09:22:42 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:14:15 AM
What about sending some prospects, cash, and Miggy to the Brewers for Lucroy (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=7870&position=C)? The Brewers want to trade him, he projects to bounce back pretty well from an injury plagued 2015, was worth 13 wins from 2012-2014 before he got hurt, and is under team control through 2017. At that point you should know if Contreras really is ready to be your full time catcher, but in the meantime you get a guy who is almost certainly better than whatever is left of Montero's corpse while you make your title run.
Which prospects?
I dunno, presumably some mid-level and maybe one upper-level, in the abstract.
He's only got 2 years of control and he's coming off an injury plagued year, so maybe like Jeimer Candelario and some other stuff? If their Khris Davis trade is any indication they'll gamble on toolsy guys with upside.
I don't think they'd need to part with Gleyber or McKinney or Contreras, but some guys in that second tier.
I'm hearing Candelario being talked up this year and I'm trying to discern if it's the Cubs' PR machine pumping him up or if the dude's a real prospect after an admittedly decent Age 21 season at AA. In any event, if the Brewers were okay with dealing LaCroy for the likes of Candelario then by all means, they can be my guest.
He was a guy that got a lot of love before 2014 if I remember correctly (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8211.msg272681#msg272681). He has a lot of raw tools and his contact skills were highly praised. He fell off a lot of people's radars with a crappy 2014 and with the other prospects in the system being instant superstars, but then he hit well this year and he's considered a fairly legit prospect.
MLB Pipeline had him as a top ten 3B prospect, as did Keith Law, although both said he was just outside top 100 prospect status.
I doubt he alone would be enough to get Lucroy but it doesn't seem like the Brewers have much in the way of 3rd base prospects. He'd be a nice start to the package.
I'd think Candelario, Miggy and Almora gets it done.
Somebody get on the phone with Hoyer's secretary!
Lucroy is a player who gets injured making his bed or packing a suitcase.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brewers/brewers-jonathan-lucroy-looks-to-rebound-in-2016-from-injury-filled-season-b99588582z1-330500461.html
That makes him a good fit for a franchise that once had a player who missed a game because he couldn't open his eyelids.
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Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:28:37 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 15, 2016, 09:22:42 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:14:15 AM
What about sending some prospects, cash, and Miggy to the Brewers for Lucroy (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=7870&position=C)? The Brewers want to trade him, he projects to bounce back pretty well from an injury plagued 2015, was worth 13 wins from 2012-2014 before he got hurt, and is under team control through 2017. At that point you should know if Contreras really is ready to be your full time catcher, but in the meantime you get a guy who is almost certainly better than whatever is left of Montero's corpse while you make your title run.
Which prospects?
I dunno, presumably some mid-level and maybe one upper-level, in the abstract.
He's only got 2 years of control and he's coming off an injury plagued year, so maybe like Jeimer Candelario and some other stuff? If their Khris Davis trade is any indication they'll gamble on toolsy guys with upside.
I don't think they'd need to part with Gleyber or McKinney or Contreras, but some guys in that second tier.
I'm hearing Candelario being talked up this year and I'm trying to discern if it's the Cubs' PR machine pumping him up or if the dude's a real prospect after an admittedly decent Age 21 season at AA. In any event, if the Brewers were okay with dealing LaCroy for the likes of Candelario then by all means, they can be my guest.
He was a guy that got a lot of love before 2014 if I remember correctly (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8211.msg272681#msg272681). He has a lot of raw tools and his contact skills were highly praised. He fell off a lot of people's radars with a crappy 2014 and with the other prospects in the system being instant superstars, but then he hit well this year and he's considered a fairly legit prospect.
MLB Pipeline had him as a top ten 3B prospect, as did Keith Law, although both said he was just outside top 100 prospect status.
I doubt he alone would be enough to get Lucroy but it doesn't seem like the Brewers have much in the way of 3rd base prospects. He'd be a nice start to the package.
I'd think Candelario, Miggy and Almora gets it done.
Somebody get on the phone with Hoyer's secretary!
Lucroy is a player who gets injured making his bed or packing a suitcase.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brewers/brewers-jonathan-lucroy-looks-to-rebound-in-2016-from-injury-filled-season-b99588582z1-330500461.html
That makes him a good fit for a franchise that once had a player who missed a game because he couldn't open his eyelids.
-Mike Remlinger broke his hand when he got it stuck in a recliner
-Farnsworth kicked a (metal) fan
-Didn't Farnsworth also allegedly break his toe by trying to punt a baseball?
-Chad Gaudin got drunk and fell into a dumpster or something.
-Sosa threw out his back sneezing
Am I missing any other really good ones?
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Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:28:37 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 15, 2016, 09:22:42 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:14:15 AM
What about sending some prospects, cash, and Miggy to the Brewers for Lucroy (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=7870&position=C)? The Brewers want to trade him, he projects to bounce back pretty well from an injury plagued 2015, was worth 13 wins from 2012-2014 before he got hurt, and is under team control through 2017. At that point you should know if Contreras really is ready to be your full time catcher, but in the meantime you get a guy who is almost certainly better than whatever is left of Montero's corpse while you make your title run.
Which prospects?
I dunno, presumably some mid-level and maybe one upper-level, in the abstract.
He's only got 2 years of control and he's coming off an injury plagued year, so maybe like Jeimer Candelario and some other stuff? If their Khris Davis trade is any indication they'll gamble on toolsy guys with upside.
I don't think they'd need to part with Gleyber or McKinney or Contreras, but some guys in that second tier.
I'm hearing Candelario being talked up this year and I'm trying to discern if it's the Cubs' PR machine pumping him up or if the dude's a real prospect after an admittedly decent Age 21 season at AA. In any event, if the Brewers were okay with dealing LaCroy for the likes of Candelario then by all means, they can be my guest.
He was a guy that got a lot of love before 2014 if I remember correctly (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8211.msg272681#msg272681). He has a lot of raw tools and his contact skills were highly praised. He fell off a lot of people's radars with a crappy 2014 and with the other prospects in the system being instant superstars, but then he hit well this year and he's considered a fairly legit prospect.
MLB Pipeline had him as a top ten 3B prospect, as did Keith Law, although both said he was just outside top 100 prospect status.
I doubt he alone would be enough to get Lucroy but it doesn't seem like the Brewers have much in the way of 3rd base prospects. He'd be a nice start to the package.
I'd think Candelario, Miggy and Almora gets it done.
Somebody get on the phone with Hoyer's secretary!
Lucroy is a player who gets injured making his bed or packing a suitcase.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brewers/brewers-jonathan-lucroy-looks-to-rebound-in-2016-from-injury-filled-season-b99588582z1-330500461.html
That makes him a good fit for a franchise that once had a player who missed a game because he couldn't open his eyelids.
-Mike Remlinger broke his hand when he got it stuck in a recliner
-Farnsworth kicked a (metal) fan
-Didn't Farnsworth also allegedly break his toe by trying to punt a baseball?
-Chad Gaudin got drunk and fell into a dumpster or something.
-Sosa threw out his back sneezing
Am I missing any other really good ones?
Nomar tried to run that one time.
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Quote from: PANK! on February 15, 2016, 09:22:42 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:14:15 AM
What about sending some prospects, cash, and Miggy to the Brewers for Lucroy (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=7870&position=C)? The Brewers want to trade him, he projects to bounce back pretty well from an injury plagued 2015, was worth 13 wins from 2012-2014 before he got hurt, and is under team control through 2017. At that point you should know if Contreras really is ready to be your full time catcher, but in the meantime you get a guy who is almost certainly better than whatever is left of Montero's corpse while you make your title run.
Which prospects?
I dunno, presumably some mid-level and maybe one upper-level, in the abstract.
He's only got 2 years of control and he's coming off an injury plagued year, so maybe like Jeimer Candelario and some other stuff? If their Khris Davis trade is any indication they'll gamble on toolsy guys with upside.
I don't think they'd need to part with Gleyber or McKinney or Contreras, but some guys in that second tier.
I'm hearing Candelario being talked up this year and I'm trying to discern if it's the Cubs' PR machine pumping him up or if the dude's a real prospect after an admittedly decent Age 21 season at AA. In any event, if the Brewers were okay with dealing LaCroy for the likes of Candelario then by all means, they can be my guest.
He was a guy that got a lot of love before 2014 if I remember correctly (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8211.msg272681#msg272681). He has a lot of raw tools and his contact skills were highly praised. He fell off a lot of people's radars with a crappy 2014 and with the other prospects in the system being instant superstars, but then he hit well this year and he's considered a fairly legit prospect.
MLB Pipeline had him as a top ten 3B prospect, as did Keith Law, although both said he was just outside top 100 prospect status.
I doubt he alone would be enough to get Lucroy but it doesn't seem like the Brewers have much in the way of 3rd base prospects. He'd be a nice start to the package.
I'd think Candelario, Miggy and Almora gets it done.
Somebody get on the phone with Hoyer's secretary!
Lucroy is a player who gets injured making his bed or packing a suitcase.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brewers/brewers-jonathan-lucroy-looks-to-rebound-in-2016-from-injury-filled-season-b99588582z1-330500461.html
That makes him a good fit for a franchise that once had a player who missed a game because he couldn't open his eyelids.
-Mike Remlinger broke his hand when he got it stuck in a recliner
-Farnsworth kicked a (metal) fan
-Didn't Farnsworth also allegedly break his toe by trying to punt a baseball?
-Chad Gaudin got drunk and fell into a dumpster or something.
-Sosa threw out his back sneezing
Am I missing any other really good ones?
Nomar tried to run that one time.
Yep, and becuase of that I haven't tried running since. I like my groin where it is, thank you.
Quote from: SKO on February 16, 2016, 11:33:10 AM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on February 16, 2016, 08:58:52 AM
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Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:28:37 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 15, 2016, 09:22:42 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:14:15 AM
What about sending some prospects, cash, and Miggy to the Brewers for Lucroy (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=7870&position=C)? The Brewers want to trade him, he projects to bounce back pretty well from an injury plagued 2015, was worth 13 wins from 2012-2014 before he got hurt, and is under team control through 2017. At that point you should know if Contreras really is ready to be your full time catcher, but in the meantime you get a guy who is almost certainly better than whatever is left of Montero's corpse while you make your title run.
Which prospects?
I dunno, presumably some mid-level and maybe one upper-level, in the abstract.
He's only got 2 years of control and he's coming off an injury plagued year, so maybe like Jeimer Candelario and some other stuff? If their Khris Davis trade is any indication they'll gamble on toolsy guys with upside.
I don't think they'd need to part with Gleyber or McKinney or Contreras, but some guys in that second tier.
I'm hearing Candelario being talked up this year and I'm trying to discern if it's the Cubs' PR machine pumping him up or if the dude's a real prospect after an admittedly decent Age 21 season at AA. In any event, if the Brewers were okay with dealing LaCroy for the likes of Candelario then by all means, they can be my guest.
He was a guy that got a lot of love before 2014 if I remember correctly (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8211.msg272681#msg272681). He has a lot of raw tools and his contact skills were highly praised. He fell off a lot of people's radars with a crappy 2014 and with the other prospects in the system being instant superstars, but then he hit well this year and he's considered a fairly legit prospect.
MLB Pipeline had him as a top ten 3B prospect, as did Keith Law, although both said he was just outside top 100 prospect status.
I doubt he alone would be enough to get Lucroy but it doesn't seem like the Brewers have much in the way of 3rd base prospects. He'd be a nice start to the package.
I'd think Candelario, Miggy and Almora gets it done.
Somebody get on the phone with Hoyer's secretary!
Lucroy is a player who gets injured making his bed or packing a suitcase.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brewers/brewers-jonathan-lucroy-looks-to-rebound-in-2016-from-injury-filled-season-b99588582z1-330500461.html
That makes him a good fit for a franchise that once had a player who missed a game because he couldn't open his eyelids.
-Mike Remlinger broke his hand when he got it stuck in a recliner
-Farnsworth kicked a (metal) fan
-Didn't Farnsworth also allegedly break his toe by trying to punt a baseball?
-Chad Gaudin got drunk and fell into a dumpster or something.
-Sosa threw out his back sneezing
Am I missing any other really good ones?
We never did find out who smashed Sosa's boombox. RIP
Quote from: SKO on February 16, 2016, 11:33:10 AM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on February 16, 2016, 08:58:52 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 10:10:40 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 15, 2016, 09:51:19 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:28:37 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 15, 2016, 09:22:42 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:14:15 AM
What about sending some prospects, cash, and Miggy to the Brewers for Lucroy (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=7870&position=C)? The Brewers want to trade him, he projects to bounce back pretty well from an injury plagued 2015, was worth 13 wins from 2012-2014 before he got hurt, and is under team control through 2017. At that point you should know if Contreras really is ready to be your full time catcher, but in the meantime you get a guy who is almost certainly better than whatever is left of Montero's corpse while you make your title run.
Which prospects?
I dunno, presumably some mid-level and maybe one upper-level, in the abstract.
He's only got 2 years of control and he's coming off an injury plagued year, so maybe like Jeimer Candelario and some other stuff? If their Khris Davis trade is any indication they'll gamble on toolsy guys with upside.
I don't think they'd need to part with Gleyber or McKinney or Contreras, but some guys in that second tier.
I'm hearing Candelario being talked up this year and I'm trying to discern if it's the Cubs' PR machine pumping him up or if the dude's a real prospect after an admittedly decent Age 21 season at AA. In any event, if the Brewers were okay with dealing LaCroy for the likes of Candelario then by all means, they can be my guest.
He was a guy that got a lot of love before 2014 if I remember correctly (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8211.msg272681#msg272681). He has a lot of raw tools and his contact skills were highly praised. He fell off a lot of people's radars with a crappy 2014 and with the other prospects in the system being instant superstars, but then he hit well this year and he's considered a fairly legit prospect.
MLB Pipeline had him as a top ten 3B prospect, as did Keith Law, although both said he was just outside top 100 prospect status.
I doubt he alone would be enough to get Lucroy but it doesn't seem like the Brewers have much in the way of 3rd base prospects. He'd be a nice start to the package.
I'd think Candelario, Miggy and Almora gets it done.
Somebody get on the phone with Hoyer's secretary!
Lucroy is a player who gets injured making his bed or packing a suitcase.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brewers/brewers-jonathan-lucroy-looks-to-rebound-in-2016-from-injury-filled-season-b99588582z1-330500461.html
That makes him a good fit for a franchise that once had a player who missed a game because he couldn't open his eyelids.
-Mike Remlinger broke his hand when he got it stuck in a recliner
-Farnsworth kicked a (metal) fan
-Didn't Farnsworth also allegedly break his toe by trying to punt a baseball?
-Chad Gaudin got drunk and fell into a dumpster or something.
-Sosa threw out his back sneezing
Am I missing any other really good ones?
Roy Hobbs and Eddie Waitkus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Waitkus
Quote from: SKO on February 16, 2016, 11:33:10 AM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on February 16, 2016, 08:58:52 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 10:10:40 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 15, 2016, 09:51:19 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:28:37 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 15, 2016, 09:22:42 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:14:15 AM
What about sending some prospects, cash, and Miggy to the Brewers for Lucroy (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=7870&position=C)? The Brewers want to trade him, he projects to bounce back pretty well from an injury plagued 2015, was worth 13 wins from 2012-2014 before he got hurt, and is under team control through 2017. At that point you should know if Contreras really is ready to be your full time catcher, but in the meantime you get a guy who is almost certainly better than whatever is left of Montero's corpse while you make your title run.
Which prospects?
I dunno, presumably some mid-level and maybe one upper-level, in the abstract.
He's only got 2 years of control and he's coming off an injury plagued year, so maybe like Jeimer Candelario and some other stuff? If their Khris Davis trade is any indication they'll gamble on toolsy guys with upside.
I don't think they'd need to part with Gleyber or McKinney or Contreras, but some guys in that second tier.
I'm hearing Candelario being talked up this year and I'm trying to discern if it's the Cubs' PR machine pumping him up or if the dude's a real prospect after an admittedly decent Age 21 season at AA. In any event, if the Brewers were okay with dealing LaCroy for the likes of Candelario then by all means, they can be my guest.
He was a guy that got a lot of love before 2014 if I remember correctly (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8211.msg272681#msg272681). He has a lot of raw tools and his contact skills were highly praised. He fell off a lot of people's radars with a crappy 2014 and with the other prospects in the system being instant superstars, but then he hit well this year and he's considered a fairly legit prospect.
MLB Pipeline had him as a top ten 3B prospect, as did Keith Law, although both said he was just outside top 100 prospect status.
I doubt he alone would be enough to get Lucroy but it doesn't seem like the Brewers have much in the way of 3rd base prospects. He'd be a nice start to the package.
I'd think Candelario, Miggy and Almora gets it done.
Somebody get on the phone with Hoyer's secretary!
Lucroy is a player who gets injured making his bed or packing a suitcase.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brewers/brewers-jonathan-lucroy-looks-to-rebound-in-2016-from-injury-filled-season-b99588582z1-330500461.html
That makes him a good fit for a franchise that once had a player who missed a game because he couldn't open his eyelids.
-Mike Remlinger broke his hand when he got it stuck in a recliner
-Farnsworth kicked a (metal) fan
-Didn't Farnsworth also allegedly break his toe by trying to punt a baseball?
-Chad Gaudin got drunk and fell into a dumpster or something.
-Sosa threw out his back sneezing
Am I missing any other really good ones?
Mike Harkey ending his season by doing cartwheels.
Quote from: SKO on February 16, 2016, 11:33:10 AM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on February 16, 2016, 08:58:52 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 10:10:40 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 15, 2016, 09:51:19 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:28:37 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 15, 2016, 09:22:42 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:14:15 AM
What about sending some prospects, cash, and Miggy to the Brewers for Lucroy (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=7870&position=C)? The Brewers want to trade him, he projects to bounce back pretty well from an injury plagued 2015, was worth 13 wins from 2012-2014 before he got hurt, and is under team control through 2017. At that point you should know if Contreras really is ready to be your full time catcher, but in the meantime you get a guy who is almost certainly better than whatever is left of Montero's corpse while you make your title run.
Which prospects?
I dunno, presumably some mid-level and maybe one upper-level, in the abstract.
He's only got 2 years of control and he's coming off an injury plagued year, so maybe like Jeimer Candelario and some other stuff? If their Khris Davis trade is any indication they'll gamble on toolsy guys with upside.
I don't think they'd need to part with Gleyber or McKinney or Contreras, but some guys in that second tier.
I'm hearing Candelario being talked up this year and I'm trying to discern if it's the Cubs' PR machine pumping him up or if the dude's a real prospect after an admittedly decent Age 21 season at AA. In any event, if the Brewers were okay with dealing LaCroy for the likes of Candelario then by all means, they can be my guest.
He was a guy that got a lot of love before 2014 if I remember correctly (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8211.msg272681#msg272681). He has a lot of raw tools and his contact skills were highly praised. He fell off a lot of people's radars with a crappy 2014 and with the other prospects in the system being instant superstars, but then he hit well this year and he's considered a fairly legit prospect.
MLB Pipeline had him as a top ten 3B prospect, as did Keith Law, although both said he was just outside top 100 prospect status.
I doubt he alone would be enough to get Lucroy but it doesn't seem like the Brewers have much in the way of 3rd base prospects. He'd be a nice start to the package.
I'd think Candelario, Miggy and Almora gets it done.
Somebody get on the phone with Hoyer's secretary!
Lucroy is a player who gets injured making his bed or packing a suitcase.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brewers/brewers-jonathan-lucroy-looks-to-rebound-in-2016-from-injury-filled-season-b99588582z1-330500461.html
That makes him a good fit for a franchise that once had a player who missed a game because he couldn't open his eyelids.
-Mike Remlinger broke his hand when he got it stuck in a recliner
-Farnsworth kicked a (metal) fan
-Didn't Farnsworth also allegedly break his toe by trying to punt a baseball?
-Chad Gaudin got drunk and fell into a dumpster or something.
-Sosa threw out his back sneezing
Am I missing any other really good ones?
DPD.
Sad how many of these involve Cubs. (http://www.funny2.com/baseball.htm)
Quote from: PANK! on February 16, 2016, 12:14:17 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 16, 2016, 11:33:10 AM
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Quote from: PANK! on February 15, 2016, 09:51:19 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:28:37 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 15, 2016, 09:22:42 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 15, 2016, 09:14:15 AM
What about sending some prospects, cash, and Miggy to the Brewers for Lucroy (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=7870&position=C)? The Brewers want to trade him, he projects to bounce back pretty well from an injury plagued 2015, was worth 13 wins from 2012-2014 before he got hurt, and is under team control through 2017. At that point you should know if Contreras really is ready to be your full time catcher, but in the meantime you get a guy who is almost certainly better than whatever is left of Montero's corpse while you make your title run.
Which prospects?
I dunno, presumably some mid-level and maybe one upper-level, in the abstract.
He's only got 2 years of control and he's coming off an injury plagued year, so maybe like Jeimer Candelario and some other stuff? If their Khris Davis trade is any indication they'll gamble on toolsy guys with upside.
I don't think they'd need to part with Gleyber or McKinney or Contreras, but some guys in that second tier.
I'm hearing Candelario being talked up this year and I'm trying to discern if it's the Cubs' PR machine pumping him up or if the dude's a real prospect after an admittedly decent Age 21 season at AA. In any event, if the Brewers were okay with dealing LaCroy for the likes of Candelario then by all means, they can be my guest.
He was a guy that got a lot of love before 2014 if I remember correctly (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8211.msg272681#msg272681). He has a lot of raw tools and his contact skills were highly praised. He fell off a lot of people's radars with a crappy 2014 and with the other prospects in the system being instant superstars, but then he hit well this year and he's considered a fairly legit prospect.
MLB Pipeline had him as a top ten 3B prospect, as did Keith Law, although both said he was just outside top 100 prospect status.
I doubt he alone would be enough to get Lucroy but it doesn't seem like the Brewers have much in the way of 3rd base prospects. He'd be a nice start to the package.
I'd think Candelario, Miggy and Almora gets it done.
Somebody get on the phone with Hoyer's secretary!
Lucroy is a player who gets injured making his bed or packing a suitcase.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brewers/brewers-jonathan-lucroy-looks-to-rebound-in-2016-from-injury-filled-season-b99588582z1-330500461.html
That makes him a good fit for a franchise that once had a player who missed a game because he couldn't open his eyelids.
-Mike Remlinger broke his hand when he got it stuck in a recliner
-Farnsworth kicked a (metal) fan
-Didn't Farnsworth also allegedly break his toe by trying to punt a baseball?
-Chad Gaudin got drunk and fell into a dumpster or something.
-Sosa threw out his back sneezing
Am I missing any other really good ones?
DPD.
Sad how many of these involve Cubs. (http://www.funny2.com/baseball.htm)
I'm surprised you Dempster-haters didn't jump on the opportunity to point out his broken toe over the dugout railing
Yeti courageously defending Ryan Dempster as he plays his awful Harry Caray impression on a loop and laughs himself to sleep.
Did Ron Santo ever screw up his heel-click, sprain an ankle and miss a game or two? If not, that's an incredible run. Really should have been put in the Hall a lot sooner.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 16, 2016, 01:33:17 PM
Did Ron Santo ever screw up his heel-click, sprain an ankle and miss a game or two? If not, that's an incredible run. Really should have been put in the Hall a lot sooner.
Yeah, but I don't think he did it that long...maybe only a couple months in 1969.
I'm surprised Joe Wallis was never an on-field fatality.
Everyone has forgotten about another fading blog star? (http://hirejimessian.com/2010/05/05/we-dont-need-no-water-let-the-second-baseman-burn/)
Quote from: Brownie on February 16, 2016, 09:32:05 PM
Everyone has forgotten about another fading blog star? (http://hirejimessian.com/2010/05/05/we-dont-need-no-water-let-the-second-baseman-burn/)
That is one hell of a story that I'm just finding out about.
I really want Andrew Miller, but just in case the Yankees don't sell, and I'm sure the Cubs will add another arm for the pen regardless, anyone up for a reunion with Fernando Rodney?
Quote from: SKO on May 31, 2016, 11:45:01 AM
I really want Andrew Miller, but just in case the Yankees don't sell, and I'm sure the Cubs will add another arm for the pen regardless, anyone up for a reunion with Fernando Rodney?
He'd be fun, but they really need a lefty.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 31, 2016, 01:01:27 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 31, 2016, 11:45:01 AM
I really want Andrew Miller, but just in case the Yankees don't sell, and I'm sure the Cubs will add another arm for the pen regardless, anyone up for a reunion with Fernando Rodney?
He'd be fun, but they really need a lefty.
Yeah, no thanks to Rodney, but yes to Miller.
Also, I wonder if they'll try to add a starter. If they're looking to improve on Hammel at 4, then it shouldn't cost them much but if they look to bring in someone whose caliber knocks Lackey down to #4, then it'd be bye-bye Gleybar (or whomever).
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 31, 2016, 01:01:27 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 31, 2016, 11:45:01 AM
I really want Andrew Miller, but just in case the Yankees don't sell, and I'm sure the Cubs will add another arm for the pen regardless, anyone up for a reunion with Fernando Rodney?
He'd be fun, but they really need a lefty.
There just aren't too many great lefty relievers out there on non-contending teams. If the Yankees don't put Miller on the market the Cubs could go after Sean Doolittle and that's about it. The Astros have Tony Sipp but he's been kind of bad, and Will Smith of the Brewers has yet to pitch due to injury. Those are some options. I'd rather just have another good right handed closer type rather than reach for a lefty just because he's a lefty.
Quote from: SKO on May 31, 2016, 01:09:11 PM
There just aren't too many great lefty relievers out there on non-contending teams. If the Yankees don't put Miller on the market the Cubs could go after Sean Doolittle and that's about it. The Astros have Tony Sipp but he's been kind of bad, and Will Smith of the Brewers has yet to pitch due to injury. Those are some options. I'd rather just have another good right handed closer type rather than reach for a lefty just because he's a lefty.
Sean's girlfriend would be an excellent addition to Cubs Twitter, so that's a potential bonus.
Quote from: Eli on May 31, 2016, 01:13:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 31, 2016, 01:09:11 PM
There just aren't too many great lefty relievers out there on non-contending teams. If the Yankees don't put Miller on the market the Cubs could go after Sean Doolittle and that's about it. The Astros have Tony Sipp but he's been kind of bad, and Will Smith of the Brewers has yet to pitch due to injury. Those are some options. I'd rather just have another good right handed closer type rather than reach for a lefty just because he's a lefty.
Sean's girlfriend would be an excellent addition to Cubs Twitter, so that's a potential bonus.
*Turns on the PenSignal*
Quote from: Eli on May 31, 2016, 01:13:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 31, 2016, 01:09:11 PM
There just aren't too many great lefty relievers out there on non-contending teams. If the Yankees don't put Miller on the market the Cubs could go after Sean Doolittle and that's about it. The Astros have Tony Sipp but he's been kind of bad, and Will Smith of the Brewers has yet to pitch due to injury. Those are some options. I'd rather just have another good right handed closer type rather than reach for a lefty just because he's a lefty.
Sean's girlfriend would be an excellent addition to Cubs Twitter, so that's a potential bonus.
And, she's from Chicago, or Chicagoland, and that will matter to meatballs.
Mully and Hanley wanted to trade Kyle Schwarber for Andrew Miller this morning and the vast majority of their fans agreed. Why are the people who cover and root for this team so stupid. Why is this a thing
Quote from: SKO on June 10, 2016, 07:28:15 AM
Mully and Hanley wanted to trade Kyle Schwarber for Andrew Miller this morning and the vast majority of their fans agreed. Why are the people who cover and root for this team so stupid. Why is this a thing
I don't think I've ever hated a show as much as I hate this one.
Quote from: Slaky on June 10, 2016, 07:36:11 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 10, 2016, 07:28:15 AM
Mully and Hanley wanted to trade Kyle Schwarber for Andrew Miller this morning and the vast majority of their fans agreed. Why are the people who cover and root for this team so stupid. Why is this a thing
I don't think I've ever hated a show as much as I hate this one.
Fart Throat and Mumble Mouth are the worst. Between their stupid and impulsive laughing, Hanley nervously uttering questions that are just yammering balls of asyntactical nonsense, and just their all-around idiocy, the show is a shining example of how Chicago can still prove to be parochial and podunk.
Quote from: PANK! on June 10, 2016, 07:54:04 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 10, 2016, 07:36:11 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 10, 2016, 07:28:15 AM
Mully and Hanley wanted to trade Kyle Schwarber for Andrew Miller this morning and the vast majority of their fans agreed. Why are the people who cover and root for this team so stupid. Why is this a thing
I don't think I've ever hated a show as much as I hate this one.
Fart Throat and Mumble Mouth are the worst. Between their stupid and impulsive laughing, Hanley nervously uttering questions that are just yammering balls of asyntactical nonsense, and just their all-around idiocy, the show is a shining example of how Chicago can still prove to be parochial and podunk.
I think I'm more mad at the callers. Like, Schwarber is a meatball hero. Even THEY should realize this is dumb.
Quote from: SKO on June 10, 2016, 07:58:15 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 10, 2016, 07:54:04 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 10, 2016, 07:36:11 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 10, 2016, 07:28:15 AM
Mully and Hanley wanted to trade Kyle Schwarber for Andrew Miller this morning and the vast majority of their fans agreed. Why are the people who cover and root for this team so stupid. Why is this a thing
I don't think I've ever hated a show as much as I hate this one.
Fart Throat and Mumble Mouth are the worst. Between their stupid and impulsive laughing, Hanley nervously uttering questions that are just yammering balls of asyntactical nonsense, and just their all-around idiocy, the show is a shining example of how Chicago can still prove to be parochial and podunk.
I think I'm more mad at the callers. Like, Schwarber is a meatball hero. Even THEY should realize this is dumb.
Now I'm hungry.
Quote from: SKO on June 10, 2016, 07:58:15 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 10, 2016, 07:54:04 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 10, 2016, 07:36:11 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 10, 2016, 07:28:15 AM
Mully and Hanley wanted to trade Kyle Schwarber for Andrew Miller this morning and the vast majority of their fans agreed. Why are the people who cover and root for this team so stupid. Why is this a thing
I don't think I've ever hated a show as much as I hate this one.
Fart Throat and Mumble Mouth are the worst. Between their stupid and impulsive laughing, Hanley nervously uttering questions that are just yammering balls of asyntactical nonsense, and just their all-around idiocy, the show is a shining example of how Chicago can still prove to be parochial and podunk.
I think I'm more mad at the callers. Like, Schwarber is a meatball hero. Even THEY should realize this is dumb.
Very few things are worse than caller-driven sports talk radio.
Quote from: Shooter on June 10, 2016, 08:47:11 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 10, 2016, 07:58:15 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 10, 2016, 07:54:04 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 10, 2016, 07:36:11 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 10, 2016, 07:28:15 AM
Mully and Hanley wanted to trade Kyle Schwarber for Andrew Miller this morning and the vast majority of their fans agreed. Why are the people who cover and root for this team so stupid. Why is this a thing
I don't think I've ever hated a show as much as I hate this one.
Fart Throat and Mumble Mouth are the worst. Between their stupid and impulsive laughing, Hanley nervously uttering questions that are just yammering balls of asyntactical nonsense, and just their all-around idiocy, the show is a shining example of how Chicago can still prove to be parochial and podunk.
I think I'm more mad at the callers. Like, Schwarber is a meatball hero. Even THEY should realize this is dumb.
Very few things are worse than caller-driven sports talk radio.
I'd rather just listen to Tannehill and Abbatacola fuck with Rongey during an update.
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Mully and Hanley wanted to trade Kyle Schwarber for Andrew Miller this morning and the vast majority of their fans agreed. Why are the people who cover and root for this team so stupid. Why is this a thing
I don't think I've ever hated a show as much as I hate this one.
Fart Throat and Mumble Mouth are the worst. Between their stupid and impulsive laughing, Hanley nervously uttering questions that are just yammering balls of asyntactical nonsense, and just their all-around idiocy, the show is a shining example of how Chicago can still prove to be parochial and podunk.
I think I'm more mad at the callers. Like, Schwarber is a meatball hero. Even THEY should realize this is dumb.
Now I'm hungry.
Also, #RejectedWeirdAlSongs
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Quote from: SKO on June 10, 2016, 07:28:15 AM
Mully and Hanley wanted to trade Kyle Schwarber for Andrew Miller this morning and the vast majority of their fans agreed. Why are the people who cover and root for this team so stupid. Why is this a thing
I don't think I've ever hated a show as much as I hate this one.
Fart Throat and Mumble Mouth are the worst. Between their stupid and impulsive laughing, Hanley nervously uttering questions that are just yammering balls of asyntactical nonsense, and just their all-around idiocy, the show is a shining example of how Chicago can still prove to be parochial and podunk.
"Asyntactical". I have learned a new word today. (Although my computer drew a red line under it.)
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Quote from: SKO on June 10, 2016, 07:28:15 AM
Mully and Hanley wanted to trade Kyle Schwarber for Andrew Miller this morning and the vast majority of their fans agreed. Why are the people who cover and root for this team so stupid. Why is this a thing
I don't think I've ever hated a show as much as I hate this one.
Fart Throat and Mumble Mouth are the worst. Between their stupid and impulsive laughing, Hanley nervously uttering questions that are just yammering balls of asyntactical nonsense, and just their all-around idiocy, the show is a shining example of how Chicago can still prove to be parochial and podunk.
"Asyntactical". I have learned a new word today. (Although my computer drew a red line under it.)
I made it up but the spellcheck on my phone didn't underline it (it normally does...and I can see it is underlined again here).
EDIT
The M/W definition (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/asyntactic) would indicate that it probably wasn't the word I was looking for.
If not Miller, maybe Chapman (http://www.pinstripealley.com/2016/6/10/11904220/yankees-trade-rumors-aroldis-chapman-cubs-baez-torres-almora-happ)?
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 10, 2016, 12:59:42 PM
If not Miller, maybe Chapman (http://www.pinstripealley.com/2016/6/10/11904220/yankees-trade-rumors-aroldis-chapman-cubs-baez-torres-almora-happ)?
Will you call for Andy to stop blogging if the Cubs trade for Chapman?
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 10, 2016, 12:59:42 PM
If not Miller, maybe Chapman (http://www.pinstripealley.com/2016/6/10/11904220/yankees-trade-rumors-aroldis-chapman-cubs-baez-torres-almora-happ)?
I'd rather not.
Quote from: PANK! on June 10, 2016, 01:22:37 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 10, 2016, 12:59:42 PM
If not Miller, maybe Chapman (http://www.pinstripealley.com/2016/6/10/11904220/yankees-trade-rumors-aroldis-chapman-cubs-baez-torres-almora-happ)?
Will you call for Andy to stop blogging if the Cubs trade for Chapman?
I still don't know how he's not in prison.
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If not Miller, maybe Chapman (http://www.pinstripealley.com/2016/6/10/11904220/yankees-trade-rumors-aroldis-chapman-cubs-baez-torres-almora-happ)?
Will you call for Andy to stop blogging if the Cubs trade for Chapman?
I still don't know how he's not in prison.
Andy's not that bad.
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Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 10, 2016, 12:59:42 PM
If not Miller, maybe Chapman (http://www.pinstripealley.com/2016/6/10/11904220/yankees-trade-rumors-aroldis-chapman-cubs-baez-torres-almora-happ)?
I'd rather not.
I'm fine with Chapman as a Cub.
I would like to point out that this sentence is just really, really special.
Quote
In terms of prospects, their farm system is starting to go dry, as is the case with most contenders. Gleyber Torres, Wilson Contreras, Ian Happ, and Billy McKinney are their best prospects, and even they might be too steep a price to pay for a reliever.
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If not Miller, maybe Chapman (http://www.pinstripealley.com/2016/6/10/11904220/yankees-trade-rumors-aroldis-chapman-cubs-baez-torres-almora-happ)?
Will you call for Andy to stop blogging if the Cubs trade for Chapman?
I still don't know how he's not in prison.
Andy's not that bad.
Yellon begs to differ.
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Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 10, 2016, 12:59:42 PM
If not Miller, maybe Chapman (http://www.pinstripealley.com/2016/6/10/11904220/yankees-trade-rumors-aroldis-chapman-cubs-baez-torres-almora-happ)?
Will you call for Andy to stop blogging if the Cubs trade for Chapman?
I still don't know how he's not in prison.
Andy's not that bad.
I want to see him in a velour prison jumpsuit.
Quote from: PANK! on June 10, 2016, 07:54:04 AM
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Mully and Hanley wanted to trade Kyle Schwarber for Andrew Miller this morning and the vast majority of their fans agreed. Why are the people who cover and root for this team so stupid. Why is this a thing
I don't think I've ever hated a show as much as I hate this one.
Fart Throat and Mumble Mouth are the worst. Between their stupid and impulsive laughing, Hanley nervously uttering questions that are just yammering balls of asyntactical nonsense, and just their all-around idiocy, the show is a shining example of how Chicago can still prove to be parochial and podunk.
Between The Mike North Morning Variety Hour of News You Can Use and Murph and Fred in the Morning, I'd argue that Mully and Hanley aren't even the worst morning show 670's ever had.
Quote from: CT III on June 10, 2016, 01:58:36 PM
Quote from: PANK! on June 10, 2016, 07:54:04 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 10, 2016, 07:36:11 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 10, 2016, 07:28:15 AM
Mully and Hanley wanted to trade Kyle Schwarber for Andrew Miller this morning and the vast majority of their fans agreed. Why are the people who cover and root for this team so stupid. Why is this a thing
I don't think I've ever hated a show as much as I hate this one.
Fart Throat and Mumble Mouth are the worst. Between their stupid and impulsive laughing, Hanley nervously uttering questions that are just yammering balls of asyntactical nonsense, and just their all-around idiocy, the show is a shining example of how Chicago can still prove to be parochial and podunk.
Between The Mike North Morning Variety Hour of News You Can Use and Murph and Fred in the Morning, I'd argue that Mully and Hanley aren't even the worst morning show 670's ever had.
SCHMOOZE PATROL!!!!
(http://www.chicagobaseballmuseum.org/images/Brickhouse/Tom-Shaer.jpg)
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Quote from: SKO on June 10, 2016, 07:28:15 AM
Mully and Hanley wanted to trade Kyle Schwarber for Andrew Miller this morning and the vast majority of their fans agreed. Why are the people who cover and root for this team so stupid. Why is this a thing
I don't think I've ever hated a show as much as I hate this one.
Fart Throat and Mumble Mouth are the worst. Between their stupid and impulsive laughing, Hanley nervously uttering questions that are just yammering balls of asyntactical nonsense, and just their all-around idiocy, the show is a shining example of how Chicago can still prove to be parochial and podunk.
Between The Mike North Morning Variety Hour of News You Can Use and Murph and Fred in the Morning, I'd argue that Mully and Hanley aren't even the worst morning show 670's ever had.
That the pairing of two doddering former athletes (one from the Bears, the other from the Bulls) didn't even make your short list just proves what a low fucking bar we're talking about.
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If not Miller, maybe Chapman (http://www.pinstripealley.com/2016/6/10/11904220/yankees-trade-rumors-aroldis-chapman-cubs-baez-torres-almora-happ)?
The source is some dipshit Marlins fan who is only getting this attention because a Marlins source once got drunk at a bar and blabbed to him the Giancarlo Stanton contract before the national media broke the story. What he knows about the Yankees is anyone's guess, but his package is supposedly "Baez, Warren, and a prospect" for Chapman, which is sure as shit not going to happen.
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Quote from: SKO on June 10, 2016, 07:28:15 AM
Mully and Hanley wanted to trade Kyle Schwarber for Andrew Miller this morning and the vast majority of their fans agreed. Why are the people who cover and root for this team so stupid. Why is this a thing
I don't think I've ever hated a show as much as I hate this one.
Fart Throat and Mumble Mouth are the worst. Between their stupid and impulsive laughing, Hanley nervously uttering questions that are just yammering balls of asyntactical nonsense, and just their all-around idiocy, the show is a shining example of how Chicago can still prove to be parochial and podunk.
Between The Mike North Morning Variety Hour of News You Can Use and Murph and Fred in the Morning, I'd argue that Mully and Hanley aren't even the worst morning show 670's ever had.
That the pairing of two doddering former athletes (one from the Bears, the other from the Bulls) didn't even make your short list just proves what a low fucking bar we're talking about.
A man... I mean two men are dead! IDITO
Quote from: SKO on June 10, 2016, 03:46:36 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 10, 2016, 12:59:42 PM
If not Miller, maybe Chapman (http://www.pinstripealley.com/2016/6/10/11904220/yankees-trade-rumors-aroldis-chapman-cubs-baez-torres-almora-happ)?
The source is some dipshit Marlins fan who is only getting this attention because a Marlins source once got drunk at a bar and blabbed to him the Giancarlo Stanton contract before the national media broke the story. What he knows about the Yankees is anyone's guess, but his package is supposedly "Baez, Warren, and a prospect" for Chapman, which is sure as shit not going to happen.
OK. That makes sense. I was wondering why he was followed by Olney, Rosenthal, and a bunch of randos
QuoteThe Cubs, on the other hand, are a nearly perfect team in search of a final piece, and in terms of talent, Chapman is that guy. The Cubs' bullpen currently consists of Hector Rondon, Pedro Strop, Trevor Cahill, Travis Wood, and Justin Grimm. Adding Chapman would make them untouchable, essentially.
Some kind of grudge against Adam Warren, there?
Anyway, Aroldis Chapman = hell no. They just got that d'bag Coghlan back, I can't deal with another. Andrew Miller, though? Fuck yes. Let's get him. But give up nothing for him. GET IT DONE THEO
Jon Heyman of non-existent website "FanRag Sports" is reporting the Cubs and Yankees are on the verge of a trade involving Gleyber Torres and noted feminist Aroldis Chapman. Talks are far enough along to scratch Torres from his MiLB lineup tonight.
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Jon Heyman of non-existent website "FanRag Sports" is reporting the Cubs and Yankees are on the verge of a trade involving Gleyber Torres and noted feminist Aroldis Chapman. Talks are far enough along to scratch Torres from his MiLB lineup tonight.
Positive'd
The ugh is currently beating the "wow their bullpen is going to be really fucking dominant" but there's no denying this makes them better.
But ugh
Quote from: SKO on July 24, 2016, 09:05:36 PM
The ugh is currently beating the "wow their bullpen is going to be really fucking dominant" but there's no denying this makes them better.
But ugh
Yeah ... but ... 105.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 24, 2016, 09:09:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 24, 2016, 09:05:36 PM
The ugh is currently beating the "wow their bullpen is going to be really fucking dominant" but there's no denying this makes them better.
But ugh
Yeah ... but ... 105.
Yeah ... but ... choking a woman.
Quote from: Eli on July 24, 2016, 09:19:18 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 24, 2016, 09:09:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 24, 2016, 09:05:36 PM
The ugh is currently beating the "wow their bullpen is going to be really fucking dominant" but there's no denying this makes them better.
But ugh
Yeah ... but ... 105.
Yeah ... but ... choking a woman.
It's going to be hard for us to make fun of other teams when John Lackey is only our second biggest shitbag.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 24, 2016, 09:57:12 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 24, 2016, 09:19:18 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 24, 2016, 09:09:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 24, 2016, 09:05:36 PM
The ugh is currently beating the "wow their bullpen is going to be really fucking dominant" but there's no denying this makes them better.
But ugh
Yeah ... but ... 105.
Yeah ... but ... choking a woman.
It's going to be hard for us to make fun of other teams when John Lackey is only our second biggest shitbag.
Yeah I think we've lost the rights to mock the BFIB for awhile if my mentions are any indication of how Cubs fans are going to take this.
I would be lying if I said a small part of me wasn't going to enjoy seeing him pitch for the Cubs. I actually envy the people who can completely divorce players from people. But I'm disappointed nonetheless and I'm really not looking forward to dealing with the neanderthals who actively attack the people who don't just ignore the DV
Quote from: Eli on July 24, 2016, 09:19:18 PM
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Quote from: SKO on July 24, 2016, 09:05:36 PM
The ugh is currently beating the "wow their bullpen is going to be really fucking dominant" but there's no denying this makes them better.
But ugh
Yeah ... but ... 105.
Yeah ... but ... choking a woman.
I'm going to preface this by saying I ask this with the hope that I don't come across as a wife-beating apologist:
Have you read the police reports and "closeout memo"?
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/aroldis-chapman-s-girlfriend-alleged-he--choked--her--according-to-police-report-023629095.html
https://www.scribd.com/document/296195124/Aroldis-Chapman-Closeout-Memo
I ask because I hadn't until taking 20-30 minutes to do so tonight. Up until I did, I was more or less of the same mindset -- fuck that guy, he beat his wife.
But, now I'm kind of conflicted.
1) he was never charged, let alone convicted.
2) his girlfriend later changed her account of events to say "...she entered his personal space. Aroldis used his fingers to move her away from him, out of his personal space. She lost her balance and fell."
3) there were ~20 other witnesses (including the victim's brother) in the house at the time and police couldn't get a story that lined up.
Add to that, the story broke when the Ray Rice and Greg Hardy incidents were really fresh, and now I'm wondering if he got unfairly convicted in the court of public opinion because of how hypersensitive everyone was of anything with a sports/domestic violence angle.*
And let me also say, I write this with the full understanding that domestic violence incidents are complicated. And that it's already hard for many women who have been abused to come forward because when it's he-said-she-said everyone kind of throws their hands up in the air. And that victims take back abusers because they love them, or they think they will be loved by them, or that they don't deserve better, or there's a kid involved, or they think that this time will be the last time and they really both do love one another. And that they get really fucking complicated with high-paid athletes like Aroldis since there's a financial incentive to victims to stick it out because having money is better than not having money.
* Note, I'm not saying he's a good person. Or that he doesn't have some major issues -- firing 8 rounds through your garage wall isn't a normal, healthy, responsible way to let off steam. Just that there's no evidence to conclude that he's the monster everyone seems to be saying he is.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 24, 2016, 10:55:18 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 24, 2016, 09:19:18 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 24, 2016, 09:09:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 24, 2016, 09:05:36 PM
The ugh is currently beating the "wow their bullpen is going to be really fucking dominant" but there's no denying this makes them better.
But ugh
Yeah ... but ... 105.
Yeah ... but ... choking a woman.
I'm going to preface this by saying I ask this with the hope that I don't come across as a wife-beating apologist:
Have you read the police reports and "closeout memo"?
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/aroldis-chapman-s-girlfriend-alleged-he--choked--her--according-to-police-report-023629095.html
https://www.scribd.com/document/296195124/Aroldis-Chapman-Closeout-Memo
I ask because I hadn't until taking 20-30 minutes to do so tonight. Up until I did, I was more or less of the same mindset -- fuck that guy, he beat his wife.
But, now I'm kind of conflicted.
1) he was never charged, let alone convicted.
2) his girlfriend later changed her account of events to say "...she entered his personal space. Aroldis used his fingers to move her away from him, out of his personal space. She lost her balance and fell."
3) there were ~20 other witnesses (including the victim's brother) in the house at the time and police couldn't get a story that lined up.
Add to that, the story broke when the Ray Rice and Greg Hardy incidents were really fresh, and now I'm wondering if he got unfairly convicted in the court of public opinion because of how hypersensitive everyone was of anything with a sports/domestic violence angle.*
And let me also say, I write this with the full understanding that domestic violence incidents are complicated. And that it's already hard for many women who have been abused to come forward because when it's he-said-she-said everyone kind of throws their hands up in the air. And that victims take back abusers because they love them, or they think they will be loved by them, or that they don't deserve better, or there's a kid involved, or they think that this time will be the last time and they really both do love one another. And that they get really fucking complicated with high-paid athletes like Aroldis since there's a financial incentive to victims to stick it out because having money is better than not having money.
* Note, I'm not saying he's a good person. Or that he doesn't have some major issues -- firing 8 rounds through your garage wall isn't a normal, healthy, responsible way to let off steam. Just that there's no evidence to conclude that he's the monster everyone seems to be saying he is.
There is no room on the Internet for your nuanced discussion about Aroldis.
No matter what you all say, EVERY one of us would be cheering for him come October if he was on the hill in a save situation to clinch either the pennant or World Series just to finally win either.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 24, 2016, 09:57:12 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 24, 2016, 09:19:18 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 24, 2016, 09:09:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 24, 2016, 09:05:36 PM
The ugh is currently beating the "wow their bullpen is going to be really fucking dominant" but there's no denying this makes them better.
But ugh
Yeah ... but ... 105.
Yeah ... but ... choking a woman.
It's going to be hard for us to make fun of other teams when John Lackey is only our second biggest shitbag.
I suggest you maybe not get so wrapped up in your SPORTSING then.
I mean you
do realize that like 90% of the guys we root for are Donald Trump supporters, right?
Quote from: ChuckD on July 24, 2016, 10:55:18 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 24, 2016, 09:19:18 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 24, 2016, 09:09:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 24, 2016, 09:05:36 PM
The ugh is currently beating the "wow their bullpen is going to be really fucking dominant" but there's no denying this makes them better.
But ugh
Yeah ... but ... 105.
Yeah ... but ... choking a woman.
I'm going to preface this by saying I ask this with the hope that I don't come across as a wife-beating apologist:
Have you read the police reports and "closeout memo"?
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/aroldis-chapman-s-girlfriend-alleged-he--choked--her--according-to-police-report-023629095.html
https://www.scribd.com/document/296195124/Aroldis-Chapman-Closeout-Memo
I ask because I hadn't until taking 20-30 minutes to do so tonight. Up until I did, I was more or less of the same mindset -- fuck that guy, he beat his wife.
But, now I'm kind of conflicted.
1) he was never charged, let alone convicted.
2) his girlfriend later changed her account of events to say "...she entered his personal space. Aroldis used his fingers to move her away from him, out of his personal space. She lost her balance and fell."
3) there were ~20 other witnesses (including the victim's brother) in the house at the time and police couldn't get a story that lined up.
Add to that, the story broke when the Ray Rice and Greg Hardy incidents were really fresh, and now I'm wondering if he got unfairly convicted in the court of public opinion because of how hypersensitive everyone was of anything with a sports/domestic violence angle.*
And let me also say, I write this with the full understanding that domestic violence incidents are complicated. And that it's already hard for many women who have been abused to come forward because when it's he-said-she-said everyone kind of throws their hands up in the air. And that victims take back abusers because they love them, or they think they will be loved by them, or that they don't deserve better, or there's a kid involved, or they think that this time will be the last time and they really both do love one another. And that they get really fucking complicated with high-paid athletes like Aroldis since there's a financial incentive to victims to stick it out because having money is better than not having money.
* Note, I'm not saying he's a good person. Or that he doesn't have some major issues -- firing 8 rounds through your garage wall isn't a normal, healthy, responsible way to let off steam. Just that there's no evidence to conclude that he's the monster everyone seems to be saying he is.
Also, her changing her story at a later date isn't something I'd use, but her changing the details from the phone call to the initial police interview that night is something to notice. On the phone call she stated he was hitting her in front of everyone. At the on site interview, she said she led him out of the room with everyone and her brother only came in after she was on the ground.
Look if you want to just ignore that stuff and say you root for a team and not a person and that Chapman is probably not even the only wife beater in that room, that's okay. I get that. None of us are gonna stop watching I'm sure. Some of us just prefer the illusion of rooting for the happy fun team that has pajama days and the Bryzzo co, etc. This takes a little away from that.
But ultimately he served his suspension and he was going to a contender and I can't say I'd like him shutting the Cubs down for the Nats in October any better. Let's just hope this works and try not to fight over whether he did or didn't do it because I think that's just gonna take us fown a bad road.
TL:DR, I don't think you're a bad person if you're fine with this move and just want to say "he's served his suspension, most of these guys probably suck, I'm rooting for the laundry." Just let the people who are disgusted by him be disgusted and let's all just not try to seek the moral high ground against each other. As long as you aren't the subhumans in my twitter mentions calling people a "pussy" and telling them to "get the fuck over it, winning is all that matters", it's fine.
Quote from: PANK! on July 25, 2016, 06:30:26 AM
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Quote from: ChuckD on July 24, 2016, 09:09:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 24, 2016, 09:05:36 PM
The ugh is currently beating the "wow their bullpen is going to be really fucking dominant" but there's no denying this makes them better.
But ugh
Yeah ... but ... 105.
Yeah ... but ... choking a woman.
It's going to be hard for us to make fun of other teams when John Lackey is only our second biggest shitbag.
I suggest you maybe not get so wrapped up in your SPORTSING then.
I mean you do realize that like 90% of the guys we root for are Donald Trump supporters, right?
I'm shocked that a fuckload of millionaires who make their living doing something we all do for recreation would support Donald Trump.
Quote from: SKO on July 25, 2016, 07:47:43 AM
TL:DR, I don't think you're a bad person if you're fine with this move and just want to say "he's served his suspension, most of these guys probably suck, I'm rooting for the laundry." Just let the people who are disgusted by him be disgusted and let's all just not try to seek the moral high ground against each other. As long as you aren't the subhumans in my twitter mentions calling people a "pussy" and telling them to "get the fuck over it, winning is all that matters", it's fine.
It's not my intent to take any moral high ground or rationalize it or whatever. I'm all for firing up a great big convoy of hatewagons if the guy is a total sack of shit. I'm just genuinely curious w/ respect to this particular incident.
Given that there's no tangible evidence it happened and that the girlfriend went on record with the police to say it didn't happen, should people take that at face value that it actually didn't happen?
Edit: By "it" I mean "the choking"
Quote from: ChuckD on July 25, 2016, 08:04:26 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 25, 2016, 07:47:43 AM
TL:DR, I don't think you're a bad person if you're fine with this move and just want to say "he's served his suspension, most of these guys probably suck, I'm rooting for the laundry." Just let the people who are disgusted by him be disgusted and let's all just not try to seek the moral high ground against each other. As long as you aren't the subhumans in my twitter mentions calling people a "pussy" and telling them to "get the fuck over it, winning is all that matters", it's fine.
It's not my intent to take any moral high ground or rationalize it or whatever. I'm all for firing up a great big convoy of hatewagons if the guy is a total sack of shit. I'm just genuinely curious w/ respect to this particular incident.
Given that there's no tangible evidence it happened and that the girlfriend went on record with the police to say it didn't happen, should people take that at face value that it actually didn't happen?
I mean I find "firing warning shots in anger into the wall of your garage" to be terrifying shitbag behavior, so I'm not really comfortable saying something awful didn't happen whether he choked her or not.
MLB suspended him 50 games and he didn't even appeal the suspension. I'm not comfortable at all saying nothing happened.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 25, 2016, 08:04:26 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 25, 2016, 07:47:43 AM
TL:DR, I don't think you're a bad person if you're fine with this move and just want to say "he's served his suspension, most of these guys probably suck, I'm rooting for the laundry." Just let the people who are disgusted by him be disgusted and let's all just not try to seek the moral high ground against each other. As long as you aren't the subhumans in my twitter mentions calling people a "pussy" and telling them to "get the fuck over it, winning is all that matters", it's fine.
It's not my intent to take any moral high ground or rationalize it or whatever. I'm all for firing up a great big convoy of hatewagons if the guy is a total sack of shit. I'm just genuinely curious w/ respect to this particular incident.
Given that there's no tangible evidence it happened and that the girlfriend went on record with the police to say it didn't happen, should people take that at face value that it actually didn't happen?
I'm not prepared on a Monday morning to wade into all this shit, but the culture of domestic abuse is incredibly complicated (as you acknowledged) and her story-changing/retraction/no charges falls pretty well in line with the typical cycle of abuse (I mean, Janay Rice publicly apologized
for her role in being abused). Maybe we don't know the specifics, but something aggressively physical obviously involving him and a woman happened -- with their infant son in the house -- and then he went off and fired eight rounds from a gun. That's enough detail to make me uncomfortable with the trade.
Cool. Thanks. That makes sense. And 100% agree that firing 8 rounds in to a garage wall after some sort of altercation with a loved one is not a healthy emotional response.
I will also say that from a strictly baseball standpoint, if they land him for Torres and Warren (as Twitter currently has the deal), that's pretty fucking incredible.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 25, 2016, 08:51:05 AM
I will also say that from a strictly baseball standpoint, if they land him for Torres and Warren (as Twitter currently has the deal), that's pretty fucking incredible.
So, Starlin and Gleybar for Chapman.
Starlin had a sexual assault accusation, and a couple of nightclub incidents he was asked about. And we loved Starlin, so..................................
Quote from: Yeti on July 25, 2016, 09:01:14 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 25, 2016, 08:51:05 AM
I will also say that from a strictly baseball standpoint, if they land him for Torres and Warren (as Twitter currently has the deal), that's pretty fucking incredible.
So, Starlin and Gleybar for Chapman for 60 days plus as long as the post season lasts.
Starlin had a sexual assault accusation, and a couple of nightclub incidents he was asked about. And we loved Starlin, so..................................
I get it, but...
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 25, 2016, 08:51:05 AM
I will also say that from a strictly baseball standpoint, if they land him for Torres and Warren (as Twitter currently has the deal), that's pretty fucking incredible.
I don't think that's incredible. Torres, Warren, plus two unnamed (presumably lesser) prospects for 2 months seems like a steep price to pay. I'm fine with paying it, as I think Chapman is one of the few elite relievers you can actually count on going forward as opposed to any number of relievers who can go from dominant to terrible in the span of a week ('sup Grimm) and in a postseason series I really do think he could make a difference and Joe especially will not hesitate to use him against Bryce Harper in the 6th or 7th rather than waiting for a save opportunity that may never come. Also it sounds like fans/publications appear to have a higher opinion of Gleyber than actual GMs (several sources saying Happ and Eloy are both coveted by more teams than Gleyber), so I'm guessing Theo wouldn't "sell low" on Gleyber if he thought he could get much more for him elsewhere.
So, baseball only I don't think this is a terrible overpay but I think portraying it as *not* an overpay, let alone "fucking incredible" is probably a stretch.
Quote from: SKO on July 25, 2016, 09:11:32 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 25, 2016, 08:51:05 AM
I will also say that from a strictly baseball standpoint, if they land him for Torres and Warren (as Twitter currently has the deal), that's pretty fucking incredible.
I don't think that's incredible. Torres, Warren, plus two unnamed (presumably lesser) prospects for 2 months seems like a steep price to pay. I'm fine with paying it, as I think Chapman is one of the few elite relievers you can actually count on going forward as opposed to any number of relievers who can go from dominant to terrible in the span of a week ('sup Grimm) and in a postseason series I really do think he could make a difference and Joe especially will not hesitate to use him against Bryce Harper in the 6th or 7th rather than waiting for a save opportunity that may never come. Also it sounds like fans/publications appear to have a higher opinion of Gleyber than actual GMs (several sources saying Happ and Eloy are both coveted by more teams than Gleyber), so I'm guessing Theo wouldn't "sell low" on Gleyber if he thought he could get much more for him elsewhere.
So, baseball only I don't think this is a terrible overpay but I think portraying it as *not* an overpay, let alone "fucking incredible" is probably a stretch.
Moving back to the baseball side of things -- I don't think it's necessarily an overpay from a value standpoint. But I think it's a little bit of a weird allocation of resources. The playoffs are crapshoot-y and so are bullpens, even elite ones. So making a move that is specifically "for" the playoffs seems kind of un-Theo & Co.
This is total back-of-the-napkin math, but it seems like a reasonably safe bet that the Cubs will be one of the final 8 teams left in the playoffs (assumption is they win the division). If every team has an even chance of winning the World Series, that's 12.5% odds. Give the Cubs a small bump because they're good and maybe they start off at 15%. How much does Chapman improve those odds? Does he bump them to 16% or 20%? The latter is a 33% jump in their chances and that's pretty huge. But that's making a lot of assumptions. It's not like Chapman would have done a damn thing to help in the NLCS last year.
I don't know any of that and I also know that front offices can't think exactly the same way since they have actual jobs they're trying to do. But I'm just a bit surprised that this is how they're allocating their resources.
Quote from: SKO on July 25, 2016, 09:11:32 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 25, 2016, 08:51:05 AM
I will also say that from a strictly baseball standpoint, if they land him for Torres and Warren (as Twitter currently has the deal), that's pretty fucking incredible.
I don't think that's incredible. Torres, Warren, plus two unnamed (presumably lesser) prospects for 2 months seems like a steep price to pay. I'm fine with paying it, as I think Chapman is one of the few elite relievers you can actually count on going forward as opposed to any number of relievers who can go from dominant to terrible in the span of a week ('sup Grimm) and in a postseason series I really do think he could make a difference and Joe especially will not hesitate to use him against Bryce Harper in the 6th or 7th rather than waiting for a save opportunity that may never come. Also it sounds like fans/publications appear to have a higher opinion of Gleyber than actual GMs (several sources saying Happ and Eloy are both coveted by more teams than Gleyber), so I'm guessing Theo wouldn't "sell low" on Gleyber if he thought he could get much more for him elsewhere.
So, baseball only I don't think this is a terrible overpay but I think portraying it as *not* an overpay, let alone "fucking incredible" is probably a stretch.
When it was TIME TO POST, the trade was supposedly contingent on an extension. So I was assuming this was for 4 years of Chapman.
Quote from: Eli on July 25, 2016, 09:34:08 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 25, 2016, 09:11:32 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 25, 2016, 08:51:05 AM
I will also say that from a strictly baseball standpoint, if they land him for Torres and Warren (as Twitter currently has the deal), that's pretty fucking incredible.
I don't think that's incredible. Torres, Warren, plus two unnamed (presumably lesser) prospects for 2 months seems like a steep price to pay. I'm fine with paying it, as I think Chapman is one of the few elite relievers you can actually count on going forward as opposed to any number of relievers who can go from dominant to terrible in the span of a week ('sup Grimm) and in a postseason series I really do think he could make a difference and Joe especially will not hesitate to use him against Bryce Harper in the 6th or 7th rather than waiting for a save opportunity that may never come. Also it sounds like fans/publications appear to have a higher opinion of Gleyber than actual GMs (several sources saying Happ and Eloy are both coveted by more teams than Gleyber), so I'm guessing Theo wouldn't "sell low" on Gleyber if he thought he could get much more for him elsewhere.
So, baseball only I don't think this is a terrible overpay but I think portraying it as *not* an overpay, let alone "fucking incredible" is probably a stretch.
Moving back to the baseball side of things -- I don't think it's necessarily an overpay from a value standpoint. But I think it's a little bit of a weird allocation of resources. The playoffs are crapshoot-y and so are bullpens, even elite ones. So making a move that is specifically "for" the playoffs seems kind of un-Theo & Co.
This is total back-of-the-napkin math, but it seems like a reasonably safe bet that the Cubs will be one of the final 8 teams left in the playoffs (assumption is they win the division). If every team has an even chance of winning the World Series, that's 12.5% odds. Give the Cubs a small bump because they're good and maybe they start off at 15%. How much does Chapman improve those odds? Does he bump them to 16% or 20%? The latter is a 33% jump in their chances and that's pretty huge. But that's making a lot of assumptions. It's not like Chapman would have done a damn thing to help in the NLCS last year.
I don't know any of that and I also know that front offices can't think exactly the same way since they have actual jobs they're trying to do. But I'm just a bit surprised that this is how they're allocating their resources.
Aside from the fact there's about a 94% chance he's a total scumbag, this has been my concern as well.
Quote from: Eli on July 25, 2016, 09:34:08 AM
Moving back to the baseball side of things -- I don't think it's necessarily an overpay from a value standpoint. But I think it's a little bit of a weird allocation of resources. The playoffs are crapshoot-y and so are bullpens, even elite ones. So making a move that is specifically "for" the playoffs seems kind of un-Theo & Co.
This is total back-of-the-napkin math, but it seems like a reasonably safe bet that the Cubs will be one of the final 8 teams left in the playoffs (assumption is they win the division). If every team has an even chance of winning the World Series, that's 12.5% odds. Give the Cubs a small bump because they're good and maybe they start off at 15%. How much does Chapman improve those odds? Does he bump them to 16% or 20%? The latter is a 33% jump in their chances and that's pretty huge. But that's making a lot of assumptions. It's not like Chapman would have done a damn thing to help in the NLCS last year.
I don't know any of that and I also know that front offices can't think exactly the same way since they have actual jobs they're trying to do. But I'm just a bit surprised that this is how they're allocating their resources.
It is very un-Theo like, but I mean it's a case where they have the resources to overpay and Chapman definitely has an effect on their October gameplan. They can shorten outings from their starters, they can use Chapman to face Harper/Murphy in a key spot in the 6th or 7th knowing Strop and Rondon are still there to lock things down late, etc. It's hard to account for how that probably ups their chances.
I hate to default to "I trust Theo" but I mean, I trust him. He knows his prospect stockpile and how it is valued around the league, and he also knows he's going to need to make that move for a controllable starter at some point as well. If he thinks he can afford to make this move and still make others, he's probably right. In the end though history is going to judge this by whether or not they win the title this year.
Quote from: SKO on July 25, 2016, 09:59:59 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 25, 2016, 09:34:08 AM
Moving back to the baseball side of things -- I don't think it's necessarily an overpay from a value standpoint. But I think it's a little bit of a weird allocation of resources. The playoffs are crapshoot-y and so are bullpens, even elite ones. So making a move that is specifically "for" the playoffs seems kind of un-Theo & Co.
This is total back-of-the-napkin math, but it seems like a reasonably safe bet that the Cubs will be one of the final 8 teams left in the playoffs (assumption is they win the division). If every team has an even chance of winning the World Series, that's 12.5% odds. Give the Cubs a small bump because they're good and maybe they start off at 15%. How much does Chapman improve those odds? Does he bump them to 16% or 20%? The latter is a 33% jump in their chances and that's pretty huge. But that's making a lot of assumptions. It's not like Chapman would have done a damn thing to help in the NLCS last year.
I don't know any of that and I also know that front offices can't think exactly the same way since they have actual jobs they're trying to do. But I'm just a bit surprised that this is how they're allocating their resources.
Realistically speaking, Chapman would be our new closer, or at the very least, sharing in the role.
It is very un-Theo like, but I mean it's a case where they have the resources to overpay and Chapman definitely has an effect on their October gameplan. They can shorten outings from their starters, they can use Chapman to face Harper/Murphy in a key spot in the 6th or 7th knowing Strop and Rondon are still there to lock things down late, etc. It's hard to account for how that probably ups their chances.
I hate to default to "I trust Theo" but I mean, I trust him. He knows his prospect stockpile and how it is valued around the league, and he also knows he's going to need to make that move for a controllable starter at some point as well. If he thinks he can afford to make this move and still make others, he's probably right. In the end though history is going to judge this by whether or not they win the title this year.
Sounds like the trade is
Chapman
for
Torres
Warren
Unidentified player (not Soler) McKinney
Unidentified player (not Candelario)
Four guys seems pretty steep but let's see who they are.
Edit: Yep, this is getting steep. Chapman had better save every single game in the playoffs at this rate.
Quote from: Canadouche on July 25, 2016, 10:12:10 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 25, 2016, 09:59:59 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 25, 2016, 09:34:08 AM
Moving back to the baseball side of things -- I don't think it's necessarily an overpay from a value standpoint. But I think it's a little bit of a weird allocation of resources. The playoffs are crapshoot-y and so are bullpens, even elite ones. So making a move that is specifically "for" the playoffs seems kind of un-Theo & Co.
This is total back-of-the-napkin math, but it seems like a reasonably safe bet that the Cubs will be one of the final 8 teams left in the playoffs (assumption is they win the division). If every team has an even chance of winning the World Series, that's 12.5% odds. Give the Cubs a small bump because they're good and maybe they start off at 15%. How much does Chapman improve those odds? Does he bump them to 16% or 20%? The latter is a 33% jump in their chances and that's pretty huge. But that's making a lot of assumptions. It's not like Chapman would have done a damn thing to help in the NLCS last year.
I don't know any of that and I also know that front offices can't think exactly the same way since they have actual jobs they're trying to do. But I'm just a bit surprised that this is how they're allocating their resources.
It is very un-Theo like, but I mean it's a case where they have the resources to overpay and Chapman definitely has an effect on their October gameplan. They can shorten outings from their starters, they can use Chapman to face Harper/Murphy in a key spot in the 6th or 7th knowing Strop and Rondon are still there to lock things down late, etc. It's hard to account for how that probably ups their chances.
I hate to default to "I trust Theo" but I mean, I trust him. He knows his prospect stockpile and how it is valued around the league, and he also knows he's going to need to make that move for a controllable starter at some point as well. If he thinks he can afford to make this move and still make others, he's probably right. In the end though history is going to judge this by whether or not they win the title this year.
Realistically speaking, Chapman would be our new closer, or at the very least, sharing in the role
Oh he'll be the default closer, I wasn't saying Chapman would be the set up guy, but in a postseason game when the game is on the line and a left handed batter like Harper is up Joe is the kind of manager who wouldn't let pre-defined roles stop him from using Chapman there, and he'd be even more likely to do it knowing he has an already very good closer in Rondon who would still be available after using Chapman. The bulk of the save opps will probably go to Chapman overall.
https://twitter.com/MATrueblood?s=09
This asshole is going full Vlahos over this.
Quote from: SKO on July 25, 2016, 10:23:29 AM
https://twitter.com/MATrueblood?s=09
This asshole is going full Vlahos over this.
You should meet this other guy I know. Coincidentally, his name also happens to be SKO.
Quote from: SKO on July 25, 2016, 07:47:43 AM
TL:DR, I don't think you're a bad person if you're fine with this move and just want to say "he's served his suspension, most of these guys probably suck, I'm rooting for the laundry." Just let the people who are disgusted by him be disgusted and let's all just not try to seek the moral high ground against each other. As long as you aren't the subhumans in my twitter mentions calling people a "pussy" and telling them to "get the fuck over it, winning is all that matters", it's fine.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 25, 2016, 10:41:42 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 25, 2016, 10:23:29 AM
https://twitter.com/MATrueblood?s=09
This asshole is going full Vlahos over this.
You should meet this other guy I know. Coincidentally, his name also happens to be SKO.
Quote from: SKO on July 25, 2016, 07:47:43 AM
TL:DR, I don't think you're a bad person if you're fine with this move and just want to say "he's served his suspension, most of these guys probably suck, I'm rooting for the laundry." Just let the people who are disgusted by him be disgusted and let's all just not try to seek the moral high ground against each other. As long as you aren't the subhumans in my twitter mentions calling people a "pussy" and telling them to "get the fuck over it, winning is all that matters", it's fine.
Oh I wasn't referring to him not wanting Chapman because of the DV thing. I was referring to him saying that the Cubs need to trade Theo to the Twins because this deal is so bad and that Theo has gone insane because teams shouldn't give up controllable assets to relievers.
I thought he was making that argument from a pure baseball standpoint, if he meant it as a moral stand over the DV that's fine.
He specifically says "I have very little to comment on this deal as a fan, my primary interest in baseball is intellectual and analytical" and that's the basis of his comment that Theo is awful and terrible and doesn't understand the value of controllable young players and should be traded to the Twins because he's "gone insane"
It's probably all over on January 20, 2017 anyway.
Win.
I can't seem to get screenshots to work but these are his actual tweets, all of which are his objection to the trade for baseball reasons, not even considering the DV:
"Sustained success is the key and should be the goal for every team. That's what makes this move just unbelievably stupid"
"my objection is that the thing the cubs get back in this deal- chapman, a three month rental of a relief pitcher-is almost fundamentally worthless"
"just bad asset management. traded a lottery ticket for a gas station cheeseburger"
So I don't think his staunch opposition to domestic violence is the key here. I think he once again thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and that Theo, the guy who built a team around Rizzo/Bryant/Russell/Scwharber/Baez/Heyward/Contreras, doesn't know the value of controllable talent.
If your take is "I don't want this wife beater no matter the cost" I respect that, totally. If your argument is "I know how to manage assets better than Theo, he should be traded to the Twins", mayyyybe fuck off.
Quote from: SKO on July 25, 2016, 11:01:39 AM
I can't seem to get screenshots to work but these are his actual tweets, all of which are his objection to the trade for baseball reasons, not even considering the DV:
"Sustained success is the key and should be the goal for every team. That's what makes this move just unbelievably stupid"
"my objection is that the thing the cubs get back in this deal- chapman, a three month rental of a relief pitcher-is almost fundamentally worthless"
"just bad asset management. traded a lottery ticket for a gas station cheeseburger"
So I don't think his staunch opposition to domestic violence is the key here. I think he once again thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and that Theo, the guy who built a team around Rizzo/Bryant/Russell/Scwharber/Baez/Heyward/Contreras, doesn't know the value of controllable talent.
If your take is "I don't want this wife beater no matter the cost" I respect that, totally. If your argument is "I know how to manage assets better than Theo, he should be traded to the Twins", mayyyybe fuck off.
So, we don't agree that Torres/Warren/McKinney/some rando A+ player is too much for a 2-3 month rental? If they have an extension in place, that changes it, but I don't love the deal if it's just for the 2-3 months. It seems to be much in contrast to what Theo says about mortgaging the future if it's the 2-3 month rental
Quote from: Yeti on July 25, 2016, 11:05:09 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 25, 2016, 11:01:39 AM
I can't seem to get screenshots to work but these are his actual tweets, all of which are his objection to the trade for baseball reasons, not even considering the DV:
"Sustained success is the key and should be the goal for every team. That's what makes this move just unbelievably stupid"
"my objection is that the thing the cubs get back in this deal- chapman, a three month rental of a relief pitcher-is almost fundamentally worthless"
"just bad asset management. traded a lottery ticket for a gas station cheeseburger"
So I don't think his staunch opposition to domestic violence is the key here. I think he once again thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and that Theo, the guy who built a team around Rizzo/Bryant/Russell/Scwharber/Baez/Heyward/Contreras, doesn't know the value of controllable talent.
If your take is "I don't want this wife beater no matter the cost" I respect that, totally. If your argument is "I know how to manage assets better than Theo, he should be traded to the Twins", mayyyybe fuck off.
So, we don't agree that Torres/Warren/McKinney/some rando A+ player is too much for a 2-3 month rental? If they have an extension in place, that changes it, but I don't love the deal if it's just for the 2-3 months. It seems to be much in contrast to what Theo says about mortgaging the future if it's the 2-3 month rental
I think we agree it's an overpay, I think *Theo* would agree it is an overpay, I think Theo has decided he can afford to overpay with a prospect that doesn't have a future in Chicago to marginally increase his chance at winning a world series this year, in what I'm pretty sure is their best opportunity to win it all. You can
absolutely disagree with Theo's calculus, but to clutch your shawls tightly and rant about controllable assets and Theo being off his rocker and how he should be traded away because he's gone insane is pretty douche-y. He knows what he's doing. It's fine to disagree with the trade but giving up a blocked prospect, however good, in a legitimate move to try and win a title is hardly a fireable offense.
Ah, gotcha. I went to his page and it all seemed to be about Chapman being a scumbag.
Quote"just bad asset management. traded a lottery ticket for a gas station cheeseburger"
I don't like the trade now that more details have come out, but that's a shit metaphor. The expected value of a lottery ticket is like $0.000000000001. Trading it for a gas station cheeseburger would be
good asset management.
While I'd love an extension, winning the whole fucking thing justifies the means whatever they are.
But if Rizzo wants to pummel him immediately after he gets the final out, that would rule.
And for him to go so far and say he's "hoping they get swept in the NLDS" so Theo sees the error in his thinking and also to say that he wouldn't want this team to win one or even three world series because Theo dared to not follow the Matthew Trueblood Outcomes Do Not Validate Processes Method is the height of douche. If his objection were just grounded in his moral objection to the trade, fine, but the tweets make it pretty clear he's objecting to Theo's evaluation of his prospects most of all.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 25, 2016, 11:12:01 AM
Ah, gotcha. I went to his page and it all seemed to be about Chapman being a scumbag.
Quote"just bad asset management. traded a lottery ticket for a gas station cheeseburger"
I don't like the trade now that more details have come out, but that's a shit metaphor. The expected value of a lottery ticket is like $0.000000000001. Trading it for a gas station cheeseburger would be good asset management.
Yeah the amusing thing is I don't really like this trade. It is an overpay and I think Chapman's a douchebag. But from a baseball only standpoint it does increase their odds of winning it all this year however marginally and I don't think it's a
horrendous overpay, just the kind that teams on the cusp of winning it all are prone to making.
I just am not surprised Trueblood managed to wade in with his Smartest Man in the Room smugness and have the worst take of all.
Quote from: SKO on July 25, 2016, 11:15:57 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 25, 2016, 11:12:01 AM
Ah, gotcha. I went to his page and it all seemed to be about Chapman being a scumbag.
Quote"just bad asset management. traded a lottery ticket for a gas station cheeseburger"
I don't like the trade now that more details have come out, but that's a shit metaphor. The expected value of a lottery ticket is like $0.000000000001. Trading it for a gas station cheeseburger would be good asset management.
Yeah the amusing thing is I don't really like this trade. It is an overpay and I think Chapman's a douchebag. But from a baseball only standpoint it does increase their odds of winning it all this year however marginally and I don't think it's a horrendous overpay, just the kind that teams on the cusp of winning it all are prone to making.
I just am not surprised Trueblood managed to wade in with his Smartest Man in the Room smugness and have the worst take of all.
I was thinking it's a lot like the Snork/Hammel trade.
Elite SS Prospect + Billy McKinney + AAAA swingman + something/body else.
The A's got 1.5 years of Snork and a half season of Hammel.
The Cubs are getting a half season of Chapman and a lot of off-field baggage.
Seems like comparatively, the A's got the better deal since they got two SPs for the second half and could flip Snork's final year for other prospects afterward.
But ...
105.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 25, 2016, 11:21:57 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 25, 2016, 11:15:57 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 25, 2016, 11:12:01 AM
Ah, gotcha. I went to his page and it all seemed to be about Chapman being a scumbag.
Quote"just bad asset management. traded a lottery ticket for a gas station cheeseburger"
I don't like the trade now that more details have come out, but that's a shit metaphor. The expected value of a lottery ticket is like $0.000000000001. Trading it for a gas station cheeseburger would be good asset management.
Yeah the amusing thing is I don't really like this trade. It is an overpay and I think Chapman's a douchebag. But from a baseball only standpoint it does increase their odds of winning it all this year however marginally and I don't think it's a horrendous overpay, just the kind that teams on the cusp of winning it all are prone to making.
I just am not surprised Trueblood managed to wade in with his Smartest Man in the Room smugness and have the worst take of all.
I was thinking it's a lot like the Snork/Hammel trade.
Elite SS Prospect + Billy McKinney + AAAA swingman + something/body else.
The A's got 1.5 years of Snork and a half season of Hammel.
The Cubs are getting a half season of Chapman and a lot of off-field baggage.
Seems like comparatively, the A's got the better deal since they got two SPs for the second half and could flip Snork's final year for other prospects afterward.
But ... 105.
I think it's possible we've overvalued Gleyber because he's been good for his age but his ceiling still actually seems to be merely "pretty good" and not "great." Freddy Sanchez at SS is the comp that stuck with me. That's a very useful player but it's not one that has a future as a Cub and it's also likely that our fantasy trade packages gave him more value than he actually has. Sahadev was one of a few guys I saw last night saying teams were more impressed with Happ/Eloy then Gleyber.
But again I don't doubt that it's an overpay, it's just one I'm comfortable with them making, or would be if Chapman was just a baseball player and not a wife beater. Hell I don't disagree with Beane making that trade back in 2014 either. Their second half collapse was pretty inexplicable and had little to do with that trade, and he then sold Snork before it was too late and got Semien out of it, and Semien has been nearly as valuable as Addison this year.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 25, 2016, 11:21:57 AM
I was thinking it's a lot like the Snork/Hammel trade.
Elite SS Prospect + Billy McKinney + AAAA swingman + something/body else.
The A's got 1.5 years of Snork and a half season of Hammel.
The Cubs are getting a half season of Chapman and a lot of off-field baggage.
Seems like comparatively, the A's got the better deal since they got two SPs for the second half and could flip Snork's final year for other prospects afterward.
But ... 105.
After an inning of Strop and an inning of Rondon.
Quote from: Yeti on July 25, 2016, 11:05:09 AMIf they have an extension in place, that changes it
I don't understand this thinking - the Yankees aren't giving anything of value up if Chapman signs an extension. This would be a function of the Cubs having a skill at negotiating contracts, not reflective of any trade-making skill.
Quote from: R-V on July 25, 2016, 11:45:01 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 25, 2016, 11:05:09 AMIf they have an extension in place, that changes it
I don't understand this thinking - the Yankees aren't giving anything of value up if Chapman signs an extension. This would be a function of the Cubs having a skill at negotiating contracts, not reflective of any trade-making skill.
Correct. The extension may make fans feel better, but it has zero trade value.
Quote from: Eli on July 25, 2016, 11:53:06 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 25, 2016, 11:45:01 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 25, 2016, 11:05:09 AMIf they have an extension in place, that changes it
I don't understand this thinking - the Yankees aren't giving anything of value up if Chapman signs an extension. This would be a function of the Cubs having a skill at negotiating contracts, not reflective of any trade-making skill.
Correct. The extension may make fans feel better, but it has zero trade value.
I've never understood that at all. Is that like an NBA mindset or something? I know "sign and trade" is a thing over there but I really get baffled when I see people act like that matters in baseball. Maybe that makes more sense in a league with a salary cap?
Quote from: R-V on July 25, 2016, 11:45:01 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 25, 2016, 11:05:09 AMIf they have an extension in place, that changes it
I don't understand this thinking - the Yankees aren't giving anything of value up if Chapman signs an extension. This would be a function of the Cubs having a skill at negotiating contracts, not reflective of any trade-making skill.
It's reflective of their trade making skill in the sense that they (probably) won't pull the trigger unless they lock him up for a few years.
Quote from: Canadouche on July 25, 2016, 11:56:48 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 25, 2016, 11:45:01 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 25, 2016, 11:05:09 AMIf they have an extension in place, that changes it
I don't understand this thinking - the Yankees aren't giving anything of value up if Chapman signs an extension. This would be a function of the Cubs having a skill at negotiating contracts, not reflective of any trade-making skill.
It's reflective of their trade making skill in the sense that they (probably) won't pull the trigger unless they lock him up for a few years.
Disagree. Trades should be evaluated on the players you give up, and the players you get back. The salaries and team control of the players
at the time the deal is made should enter into that, but if the Cubs can convince Chapman to sign an extension after the trade it doesn't mean that they or the Yankees give up a different set of players.
Quote from: R-V on July 25, 2016, 12:04:56 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on July 25, 2016, 11:56:48 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 25, 2016, 11:45:01 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 25, 2016, 11:05:09 AMIf they have an extension in place, that changes it
I don't understand this thinking - the Yankees aren't giving anything of value up if Chapman signs an extension. This would be a function of the Cubs having a skill at negotiating contracts, not reflective of any trade-making skill.
It's reflective of their trade making skill in the sense that they (probably) won't pull the trigger unless they lock him up for a few years.
Disagree. Trades should be evaluated on the players you give up, and the players you get back. The salaries and team control of the players at the time the deal is made should enter into that, but if the Cubs can convince Chapman to sign an extension after the trade it doesn't mean that they or the Yankees give up a different set of players.
What it does is change the overall concept of the trade from "four guys for a rental" to "four guys for the closer for the next x seasons". And I think Jepstink are smart enough to know whether the second scenario is realistic or not.
Of course, if the concept is changed to "four guys for a World Championship", then I don't think anyone here will think they overpaid.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 25, 2016, 12:47:00 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 25, 2016, 12:04:56 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on July 25, 2016, 11:56:48 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 25, 2016, 11:45:01 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 25, 2016, 11:05:09 AMIf they have an extension in place, that changes it
I don't understand this thinking - the Yankees aren't giving anything of value up if Chapman signs an extension. This would be a function of the Cubs having a skill at negotiating contracts, not reflective of any trade-making skill.
It's reflective of their trade making skill in the sense that they (probably) won't pull the trigger unless they lock him up for a few years.
Disagree. Trades should be evaluated on the players you give up, and the players you get back. The salaries and team control of the players at the time the deal is made should enter into that, but if the Cubs can convince Chapman to sign an extension after the trade it doesn't mean that they or the Yankees give up a different set of players.
What it does is change the overall concept of the trade from "four guys for a rental" to "four guys for the closer for the next x seasons". And I think Jepstink are smart enough to know whether the second scenario is realistic or not.
Of course, if the concept is changed to "four guys for a World Championship", then I don't think anyone here will think they overpaid.
No it doesn't. The trade was four guys for the rights to Aroldis Chapman for 2 months and a postseason. All indications are the Yankees only traded him after he refused their offer of an extension. He's going to hit the open market and will only re-sign with the Cubs if they make the best offer. The trade did fuckall to increase the odds of him being a Cub in 2017.
I've been wondering when hating trooblud would become acceptable again.
From a baseball standpoint (somehow ignoring the fact that Chapman is a dickhead, which, isn't easy), I think it's an overpay but not by that much. I think Torres may turn into a fine player, but he could also be Felix Pie/Brian Dopirak/Jason Dubois/Ryan Harvey/Josh Vitters/Eric Patterson. All of those are guys I wish Hendry had traded. Maybe Theo thinks he's selling high on Torres?
The biggest issue with this trade is that Clayton Richard is still on the team. Oh and Chapman is a dickhead.
Quote from: SKO on July 25, 2016, 12:49:46 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 25, 2016, 12:47:00 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 25, 2016, 12:04:56 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on July 25, 2016, 11:56:48 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 25, 2016, 11:45:01 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 25, 2016, 11:05:09 AMIf they have an extension in place, that changes it
I don't understand this thinking - the Yankees aren't giving anything of value up if Chapman signs an extension. This would be a function of the Cubs having a skill at negotiating contracts, not reflective of any trade-making skill.
It's reflective of their trade making skill in the sense that they (probably) won't pull the trigger unless they lock him up for a few years.
Disagree. Trades should be evaluated on the players you give up, and the players you get back. The salaries and team control of the players at the time the deal is made should enter into that, but if the Cubs can convince Chapman to sign an extension after the trade it doesn't mean that they or the Yankees give up a different set of players.
What it does is change the overall concept of the trade from "four guys for a rental" to "four guys for the closer for the next x seasons". And I think Jepstink are smart enough to know whether the second scenario is realistic or not.
Of course, if the concept is changed to "four guys for a World Championship", then I don't think anyone here will think they overpaid.
No it doesn't. The trade was four guys for the rights to Aroldis Chapman for 2 months and a postseason. All indications are the Yankees only traded him after he refused their offer of an extension. He's going to hit the open market and will only re-sign with the Cubs if they make the best offer. The trade did fuckall to increase the odds of him being a Cub in 2017.
Other than having the ability to talk to his agent about a contract for the next two months.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 25, 2016, 12:56:11 PM
I've been wondering when hating trooblud would become acceptable again.
I'm still advocating that it's not acceptable, but I'm just a little extra sensitive about that.
Quote from: Yeti on July 25, 2016, 01:00:02 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 25, 2016, 12:56:11 PM
I've been wondering when hating trooblud would become acceptable again.
I'm still advocating that it's not acceptable, but I'm just a little extra sensitive about that.
I can hate his opinions and his smug attitude and still feel bad that his kid died. If he's going to keep throwing bad opinions into the void it's the void's right to disagree with them, no matter what personal tragedy he has in his past. Even still I'm not going to tweet directly at him.
Quote from: Eli on July 25, 2016, 11:53:06 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 25, 2016, 11:45:01 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 25, 2016, 11:05:09 AMIf they have an extension in place, that changes it
I don't understand this thinking - the Yankees aren't giving anything of value up if Chapman signs an extension. This would be a function of the Cubs having a skill at negotiating contracts, not reflective of any trade-making skill.
Correct. The extension may make fans feel better, but it has zero trade value.
Yes, it would make me feel better about giving up Torres. I guess I just wish the deal was contingent on the Cubs locking him up for a few years. It would soften the blow, at least for me.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 25, 2016, 12:59:02 PM
Other than having the ability to talk to his agent about a contract for the next two months.
Which will involve his agent pretending he can't hear and pointing at the calendar on his wall, which has been opened to November.
For me, it's the inclusion of Rashad Crawford that is inexcusable. Bring back McFail.
Quote from: Eli on July 25, 2016, 09:34:08 AM
If every team has an even chance of winning the World Series, that's 12.5% odds. Give the Cubs a small bump because they're good and maybe they start off at 15%. How much does Chapman improve those odds? Does he bump them to 16% or 20%? The latter is a 33% jump in their chances and that's pretty huge.
No, I think it's just an inapposite comparison between absolute and relative
risks values.
Show me a 95% CI, dammit.
Quote from: Wheezer on July 25, 2016, 10:39:18 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 25, 2016, 09:34:08 AM
If every team has an even chance of winning the World Series, that's 12.5% odds. Give the Cubs a small bump because they're good and maybe they start off at 15%. How much does Chapman improve those odds? Does he bump them to 16% or 20%? The latter is a 33% jump in their chances and that's pretty huge.
No, I think it's just an inapposite comparison between absolute and relative risks values. Show me a 95% CI, dammit.
10%, 45%
The data is the data.
Quote from: Yeti on July 25, 2016, 10:49:57 PM
Quote from: Wheezer on July 25, 2016, 10:39:18 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 25, 2016, 09:34:08 AM
If every team has an even chance of winning the World Series, that's 12.5% odds. Give the Cubs a small bump because they're good and maybe they start off at 15%. How much does Chapman improve those odds? Does he bump them to 16% or 20%? The latter is a 33% jump in their chances and that's pretty huge.
No, I think it's just an inapposite comparison between absolute and relative risks values. Show me a 95% CI, dammit.
10%, 45%
The data is the data.
I really hope that was sarcasm.
Quote from: Wheezer on July 25, 2016, 10:53:26 PM
Quote from: Yeti on July 25, 2016, 10:49:57 PM
Quote from: Wheezer on July 25, 2016, 10:39:18 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 25, 2016, 09:34:08 AM
If every team has an even chance of winning the World Series, that's 12.5% odds. Give the Cubs a small bump because they're good and maybe they start off at 15%. How much does Chapman improve those odds? Does he bump them to 16% or 20%? The latter is a 33% jump in their chances and that's pretty huge.
No, I think it's just an inapposite comparison between absolute and relative risks values. Show me a 95% CI, dammit.
10%, 45%
The data is the data.
I really hope that was sarcasm.
Yea, it was just my made up confidence interval
Marlins have acquired old friend Larry Andersen Andrew Cashner. He of the 3.2 WAR since leaving the Cubs. God I love Theo.
Quote from: D. Doluntap on July 29, 2016, 08:54:53 AM
Marlins have acquired old friend Larry Andersen Andrew Cashner. He of the 3.2 WAR since leaving the Cubs. God I love Theo.
The Padres got 1B Josh Naylor back, who was a first round pick last year. Nice choice, Theo.
Quote from: Oleg on July 29, 2016, 08:59:20 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on July 29, 2016, 08:54:53 AM
Marlins have acquired old friend Larry Andersen Andrew Cashner. He of the 3.2 WAR since leaving the Cubs. God I love Theo.
The Padres got 1B Josh Naylor back, who was a first round pick last year. Nice choice, Theo.
Guess the Padres need a 1B, since they traded one to get Cashner.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 29, 2016, 09:05:38 AM
Quote from: Oleg on July 29, 2016, 08:59:20 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on July 29, 2016, 08:54:53 AM
Marlins have acquired old friend Larry Andersen Andrew Cashner. He of the 3.2 WAR since leaving the Cubs. God I love Theo.
The Padres got 1B Josh Naylor back, who was a first round pick last year. Nice choice, Theo.
Guess the Padres need a 1B, since they traded one to get Cashner.
Well they have Wil Myers at first at the moment, and he is tied with Rizzo in fWAR, so that particular position has worked out for them.
What's amusing is that they deemed Rizzo expendable at the time because they got the great Yonder Alonso from the Reds in the Latos trade. Since the trade Rizzo's only beating Alonso by about 15 wins.
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2016, 09:10:13 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 29, 2016, 09:05:38 AM
Quote from: Oleg on July 29, 2016, 08:59:20 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on July 29, 2016, 08:54:53 AM
Marlins have acquired old friend Larry Andersen Andrew Cashner. He of the 3.2 WAR since leaving the Cubs. God I love Theo.
The Padres got 1B Josh Naylor back, who was a first round pick last year. Nice choice, Theo.
Guess the Padres need a 1B, since they traded one to get Cashner.
Well they have Wil Myers at first at the moment, and he is tied with Rizzo in fWAR, so that particular position has worked out for them.
What's amusing is that they deemed Rizzo expendable at the time because they got the great Yonder Alonso from the Reds in the Latos trade. Since the trade Rizzo's only beating Alonso by about 15 wins.
Wil Myers cost them Trea Turner and Joe Ross, right?
The Padres also got Yasmani Grandal with Alonso. They then of course traded Grandal to get in on Matt Kemp and his replacement level excitement. The Padres are fun!
Quote from: Oleg on July 29, 2016, 09:18:12 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2016, 09:10:13 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 29, 2016, 09:05:38 AM
Quote from: Oleg on July 29, 2016, 08:59:20 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on July 29, 2016, 08:54:53 AM
Marlins have acquired old friend Larry Andersen Andrew Cashner. He of the 3.2 WAR since leaving the Cubs. God I love Theo.
The Padres got 1B Josh Naylor back, who was a first round pick last year. Nice choice, Theo.
Guess the Padres need a 1B, since they traded one to get Cashner.
Well they have Wil Myers at first at the moment, and he is tied with Rizzo in fWAR, so that particular position has worked out for them.
What's amusing is that they deemed Rizzo expendable at the time because they got the great Yonder Alonso from the Reds in the Latos trade. Since the trade Rizzo's only beating Alonso by about 15 wins.
Wil Myers cost them Trea Turner and Joe Ross, right?
Yeah. Not saying the Padres wouldn't have been better off keeping Rizzo, they would have, just saying Fork thinking this move was because they lack a first baseman (as if anyone trades for a player in A ball looking at their current major league depth chart) was dumb.
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2016, 09:24:13 AM
Quote from: Oleg on July 29, 2016, 09:18:12 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2016, 09:10:13 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 29, 2016, 09:05:38 AM
Quote from: Oleg on July 29, 2016, 08:59:20 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on July 29, 2016, 08:54:53 AM
Marlins have acquired old friend Larry Andersen Andrew Cashner. He of the 3.2 WAR since leaving the Cubs. God I love Theo.
The Padres got 1B Josh Naylor back, who was a first round pick last year. Nice choice, Theo.
Guess the Padres need a 1B, since they traded one to get Cashner.
Well they have Wil Myers at first at the moment, and he is tied with Rizzo in fWAR, so that particular position has worked out for them.
What's amusing is that they deemed Rizzo expendable at the time because they got the great Yonder Alonso from the Reds in the Latos trade. Since the trade Rizzo's only beating Alonso by about 15 wins.
Wil Myers cost them Trea Turner and Joe Ross, right?
Yeah. Not saying the Padres wouldn't have been better off keeping Rizzo, they would have, just saying Fork thinking this move was because they lack a first baseman (as if anyone trades for a player in A ball looking at their current major league depth chart) was dumb.
Come on guys. After all, they are the Padres. (Didn't we used to say that about the Cubs?)
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2016, 09:24:13 AM
Quote from: Oleg on July 29, 2016, 09:18:12 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2016, 09:10:13 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 29, 2016, 09:05:38 AM
Quote from: Oleg on July 29, 2016, 08:59:20 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on July 29, 2016, 08:54:53 AM
Marlins have acquired old friend Larry Andersen Andrew Cashner. He of the 3.2 WAR since leaving the Cubs. God I love Theo.
The Padres got 1B Josh Naylor back, who was a first round pick last year. Nice choice, Theo.
Guess the Padres need a 1B, since they traded one to get Cashner.
Well they have Wil Myers at first at the moment, and he is tied with Rizzo in fWAR, so that particular position has worked out for them.
What's amusing is that they deemed Rizzo expendable at the time because they got the great Yonder Alonso from the Reds in the Latos trade. Since the trade Rizzo's only beating Alonso by about 15 wins.
Wil Myers cost them Trea Turner and Joe Ross, right?
Yeah. Not saying the Padres wouldn't have been better off keeping Rizzo, they would have, just saying Fork thinking this move was because they lack a first baseman (as if anyone trades for a player in A ball looking at their current major league depth chart) was dumb.
I was merely gloating about how the Cubs hosed the Padres on the initial deal. Not recognizing a joke, even one of mine, is dumb.
According to Buster Olney, the rumor circulating in baseball circles is that Theo purposely overpaid for Chapman early in the trading cycle to fuck up the trade market for everyone else.
Quote from: Shooter on July 29, 2016, 10:49:25 PM
According to Buster Olney, the rumor circulating in baseball circles is that Theo purposely overpaid for Chapman early in the trading cycle to fuck up the trade market for everyone else.
Please let this be true.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 29, 2016, 11:55:20 PM
Quote from: Shooter on July 29, 2016, 10:49:25 PM
According to Buster Olney, the rumor circulating in baseball circles is that Theo purposely overpaid for Chapman early in the trading cycle to fuck up the trade market for everyone else.
Please let this be true.
Whether he did it on purpose or not that has definitely been the effect. San Francisco especially is probably hosed because their farm totally sucks.
Quote from: Shooter on July 29, 2016, 10:49:25 PM
According to Buster Olney, the rumor circulating in baseball circles is that Theo purposely overpaid for Chapman early in the trading cycle to fuck up the trade market for everyone else.
That's stupid and there's no way it's true.
If Bruce goes to the Mets that'd be pretty annoying. I'm hoping they don't get into the playoffs again for obvious reasons.
Quote from: Slaky on August 01, 2016, 10:16:22 AM
If Bruce goes to the Mets that'd be pretty annoying. I'm hoping they don't get into the playoffs again for obvious reasons.
WAR isn't a be all end all, especially if you have the kind of lineup that can afford to punt defense in a corner OF spot just to get the offense (which is why I'd have been cool with Bruce as a Cub), but it's pretty glaring that Bruce's defense and limited on base skills mean that even with an .875 OPS he's been worth a whopping 0.7 fWAR this year. He'll be going to a much bigger outfield and going from one of the most hitter friendly parks in baseball to a pitcher's park. Cespedes/Bruce in the corners with a Granderson/Conforto platoon in center would be an absolutely abysmal defense.
I think the Mets are more or less cooked anyway. Whoever loses the Giants/Dodgers battle is getting one wildcard spot and I don't think the Mets can overtake the Marlins and the Cardinals.
Quote from: Slaky on August 01, 2016, 10:16:22 AM
If Bruce goes to the Mets that'd be pretty annoying. I'm hoping they don't get into the playoffs again for obvious reasons.
Be annoyed.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 01, 2016, 12:31:25 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 01, 2016, 10:16:22 AM
If Bruce goes to the Mets that'd be pretty annoying. I'm hoping they don't get into the playoffs again for obvious reasons.
Be annoyed.
Pretty sure Mets' pitchers are more annoyed than anybody around here.
Sheehan says the deal may be on hold because of something in Bruce's medicals anyway, so hold your annoyance
Quote from: SKO on August 01, 2016, 12:38:49 PM
Sheehan says the deal may be on hold because of something in Bruce's medicals anyway, so hold your annoyance
Nimmo had a torn meniscus or something like that at the beginning of the year.
Quote from: Slaky on August 01, 2016, 10:16:22 AM
If Bruce goes to the Mets that'd be pretty annoying. I'm hoping they don't get into the playoffs again for obvious reasons.
I'm not sure those reasons are so obvious.
Joe Smith from the Angels! TRADE FUCKING DEADLINE, BITCHEZ!
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 01, 2016, 02:56:07 PM
Joe Smith from the Angels! TRADE FUCKING DEADLINE, BITCHEZ!
I have no idea what he offers over their current stash of relievers other than that he has a funky delivery. I'm sure there's some kind of matchup he presents that they like.
He's held RHBs to a Jose Macias-like .580 OPS over his career. But I have no idea if that makes him a ROOGY or not. He's also wrote a book on Mormons.
Quote from: D. Doluntap on August 01, 2016, 03:20:04 PM
He's held RHBs to a Jose Macias-like .580 OPS over his career. But I have no idea if that makes him a ROOGY or not. He's also wrote a book on Mormons.
He's apparently gotten groundballs at a 60.7% clip from RHB this year and he's induced a lot of soft contact, apparently some bad BABIP luck. For a guy probably asked to get one out a game once or twice a week it's probably fine.
Question is whose spot is he taking? Are they gonna cut bait on Nathan already? Does Grimm get stuck in Iowa till September? If they activate Cahill and send Edwards down that's gonna suck.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 01, 2016, 02:56:07 PM
Joe Smith from the Angels! TRADE FUCKING DEADLINE, BITCHEZ!
Nice choice, Epstink. /s
The know-it-all loudmouth behind me who's been mansplaining baseball to his girlfriend/wife without taking a break was really impressed with this new kid Jesse Chavez, thinks that inning must be a big lift for a guy who's not used to the pressure of the major leagues, so maybe the Cubs should try to trade for him in the offseason.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 27, 2016, 06:03:51 PM
The know-it-all loudmouth behind me who's been mansplaining baseball to his girlfriend/wife without taking a break was really impressed with this new kid Jesse Chavez, thinks that inning must be a big lift for a guy who's not used to the pressure of the major leagues, so maybe the Cubs should try to trade for him in the offseason.
Oh, I don't know. Why not get that fellow Kershaw? Or maybe that Strasburg kid?
Quote from: CBStew on August 27, 2016, 06:53:53 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 27, 2016, 06:03:51 PM
The know-it-all loudmouth behind me who's been mansplaining baseball to his girlfriend/wife without taking a break was really impressed with this new kid Jesse Chavez, thinks that inning must be a big lift for a guy who's not used to the pressure of the major leagues, so maybe the Cubs should try to trade for him in the offseason.
Oh, I don't know. Why not get that fellow Kershaw? Or maybe that Strasburg kid?
Those bums are old news. Jesse Chavez is the new hotness.
Quote4. Jose Fernandez, RHP, Marlins — There's more buzz that the Marlins will listen to offers for Fernandez this offseason. Fernandez has long been the apple of the eye of a lot of big-market teams that wouldn't mind writing that extension check. The Dodgers, Red Sox, Yankees, and Cubs for sure would all be in line. Right now, it doesn't appear there will be any extension talks early this offseason between Miami and Fernandez's agent, Scott Boras, if at all.
Bye, Eloy. (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2016/09/17/nick-cafardo-what-cubs-red-sox-and-other-playoff-contenders-need-stay-hot/8N7j8bdfj68nLtDuxB4syL/story.html)
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 19, 2016, 02:48:44 AM
Quote4. Jose Fernandez, RHP, Marlins — There's more buzz that the Marlins will listen to offers for Fernandez this offseason. Fernandez has long been the apple of the eye of a lot of big-market teams that wouldn't mind writing that extension check. The Dodgers, Red Sox, Yankees, and Cubs for sure would all be in line. Right now, it doesn't appear there will be any extension talks early this offseason between Miami and Fernandez's agent, Scott Boras, if at all.
Bye, Eloy. (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2016/09/17/nick-cafardo-what-cubs-red-sox-and-other-playoff-contenders-need-stay-hot/8N7j8bdfj68nLtDuxB4syL/story.html)
Considering Jake's hitting the open market and Lackey and (if he's still here) Hammel both walk after next season, does it really make sense for the Cubs to get a rental at this point? Wouldn't it make more sense to look at guys they can keep under control for a few years?
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 19, 2016, 09:19:41 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 19, 2016, 02:48:44 AM
Quote4. Jose Fernandez, RHP, Marlins — There's more buzz that the Marlins will listen to offers for Fernandez this offseason. Fernandez has long been the apple of the eye of a lot of big-market teams that wouldn't mind writing that extension check. The Dodgers, Red Sox, Yankees, and Cubs for sure would all be in line. Right now, it doesn't appear there will be any extension talks early this offseason between Miami and Fernandez's agent, Scott Boras, if at all.
Bye, Eloy. (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2016/09/17/nick-cafardo-what-cubs-red-sox-and-other-playoff-contenders-need-stay-hot/8N7j8bdfj68nLtDuxB4syL/story.html)
Considering Jake's hitting the open market and Lackey and (if he's still here) Hammel both walk after next season, does it really make sense for the Cubs to get a rental at this point? Wouldn't it make more sense to look at guys they can keep under control for a few years?
A. Not if they think 2016 & 2017 is their best window to win before they have to retool the rotation (Arrieta gone, Lester old, Hendricks to the Braves for the prime of his career).
B. The deal might be contingent on agreeing to an extension with Fernandez, or at the very least maybe they think this gives them a leg up on signing him.
C. It seams that acquiring #1/#2 level cost-controlled starters is becoming more difficult since the Cubs ruined it for everyone with Arrieta & Hendricks.
Quote from: R-V on September 19, 2016, 09:59:48 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 19, 2016, 09:19:41 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 19, 2016, 02:48:44 AM
Quote4. Jose Fernandez, RHP, Marlins — There's more buzz that the Marlins will listen to offers for Fernandez this offseason. Fernandez has long been the apple of the eye of a lot of big-market teams that wouldn't mind writing that extension check. The Dodgers, Red Sox, Yankees, and Cubs for sure would all be in line. Right now, it doesn't appear there will be any extension talks early this offseason between Miami and Fernandez's agent, Scott Boras, if at all.
Bye, Eloy. (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2016/09/17/nick-cafardo-what-cubs-red-sox-and-other-playoff-contenders-need-stay-hot/8N7j8bdfj68nLtDuxB4syL/story.html)
Considering Jake's hitting the open market and Lackey and (if he's still here) Hammel both walk after next season, does it really make sense for the Cubs to get a rental at this point? Wouldn't it make more sense to look at guys they can keep under control for a few years?
A. Not if they think 2016 & 2017 is their best window to win before they have to retool the rotation (Arrieta gone, Lester old, Hendricks to the Braves for the prime of his career).
B. The deal might be contingent on agreeing to an extension with Fernandez, or at the very least maybe they think this gives them a leg up on signing him.
C. It seams that acquiring #1/#2 level cost-controlled starters is becoming more difficult since the Cubs ruined it for everyone with Arrieta & Hendricks.
It also seams that every pitcher who is either a free agent or on the trading block will get linked to the Cubs at one point or another this winter.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 19, 2016, 09:19:41 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 19, 2016, 02:48:44 AM
Quote4. Jose Fernandez, RHP, Marlins — There's more buzz that the Marlins will listen to offers for Fernandez this offseason. Fernandez has long been the apple of the eye of a lot of big-market teams that wouldn't mind writing that extension check. The Dodgers, Red Sox, Yankees, and Cubs for sure would all be in line. Right now, it doesn't appear there will be any extension talks early this offseason between Miami and Fernandez's agent, Scott Boras, if at all.
Bye, Eloy. (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2016/09/17/nick-cafardo-what-cubs-red-sox-and-other-playoff-contenders-need-stay-hot/8N7j8bdfj68nLtDuxB4syL/story.html)
Considering Jake's hitting the open market and Lackey and (if he's still here) Hammel both walk after next season, does it really make sense for the Cubs to get a rental at this point? Wouldn't it make more sense to look at guys they can keep under control for a few years?
Not sure if serious. Did you miss the part about "wouldn't mind writing that extension check"? I know it's Boras, no extensions, yadda yadda, except Strasburg just signed one instead of hitting the open market as Option A, B, C, and D for starting pitching.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 19, 2016, 03:35:48 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 19, 2016, 09:19:41 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 19, 2016, 02:48:44 AM
Quote4. Jose Fernandez, RHP, Marlins — There's more buzz that the Marlins will listen to offers for Fernandez this offseason. Fernandez has long been the apple of the eye of a lot of big-market teams that wouldn't mind writing that extension check. The Dodgers, Red Sox, Yankees, and Cubs for sure would all be in line. Right now, it doesn't appear there will be any extension talks early this offseason between Miami and Fernandez's agent, Scott Boras, if at all.
Bye, Eloy. (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2016/09/17/nick-cafardo-what-cubs-red-sox-and-other-playoff-contenders-need-stay-hot/8N7j8bdfj68nLtDuxB4syL/story.html)
Considering Jake's hitting the open market and Lackey and (if he's still here) Hammel both walk after next season, does it really make sense for the Cubs to get a rental at this point? Wouldn't it make more sense to look at guys they can keep under control for a few years?
Not sure if serious. Did you miss the part about "wouldn't mind writing that extension check"? I know it's Boras, no extensions, yadda yadda, except Strasburg just signed one instead of hitting the open market as Option A, B, C, and D for starting pitching.
Strasburg probably figured it was better to cash in before Dusty could fuck his arm up.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 21, 2016, 08:01:54 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 19, 2016, 03:35:48 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 19, 2016, 09:19:41 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 19, 2016, 02:48:44 AM
Quote4. Jose Fernandez, RHP, Marlins — There's more buzz that the Marlins will listen to offers for Fernandez this offseason. Fernandez has long been the apple of the eye of a lot of big-market teams that wouldn't mind writing that extension check. The Dodgers, Red Sox, Yankees, and Cubs for sure would all be in line. Right now, it doesn't appear there will be any extension talks early this offseason between Miami and Fernandez's agent, Scott Boras, if at all.
Bye, Eloy. (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2016/09/17/nick-cafardo-what-cubs-red-sox-and-other-playoff-contenders-need-stay-hot/8N7j8bdfj68nLtDuxB4syL/story.html)
Considering Jake's hitting the open market and Lackey and (if he's still here) Hammel both walk after next season, does it really make sense for the Cubs to get a rental at this point? Wouldn't it make more sense to look at guys they can keep under control for a few years?
Not sure if serious. Did you miss the part about "wouldn't mind writing that extension check"? I know it's Boras, no extensions, yadda yadda, except Strasburg just signed one instead of hitting the open market as Option A, B, C, and D for starting pitching.
Strasburg probably figured it was better to cash in before Dusty could fuck his arm up.
Rumor is that Strasburg cashed in BECAUSE his arm is ALREADY fucked up and wanted the bux before the Nats figured it out.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 21, 2016, 08:21:55 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 21, 2016, 08:01:54 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 19, 2016, 03:35:48 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 19, 2016, 09:19:41 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 19, 2016, 02:48:44 AM
Quote4. Jose Fernandez, RHP, Marlins — There's more buzz that the Marlins will listen to offers for Fernandez this offseason. Fernandez has long been the apple of the eye of a lot of big-market teams that wouldn't mind writing that extension check. The Dodgers, Red Sox, Yankees, and Cubs for sure would all be in line. Right now, it doesn't appear there will be any extension talks early this offseason between Miami and Fernandez's agent, Scott Boras, if at all.
Bye, Eloy. (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2016/09/17/nick-cafardo-what-cubs-red-sox-and-other-playoff-contenders-need-stay-hot/8N7j8bdfj68nLtDuxB4syL/story.html)
Considering Jake's hitting the open market and Lackey and (if he's still here) Hammel both walk after next season, does it really make sense for the Cubs to get a rental at this point? Wouldn't it make more sense to look at guys they can keep under control for a few years?
Not sure if serious. Did you miss the part about "wouldn't mind writing that extension check"? I know it's Boras, no extensions, yadda yadda, except Strasburg just signed one instead of hitting the open market as Option A, B, C, and D for starting pitching.
Strasburg probably figured it was better to cash in before Dusty could fuck his arm up.
Rumor is that Strasburg cashed in BECAUSE his arm is ALREADY fucked up and wanted the bux before the Nats figured it out.
I feel like you really only needed to capitalize the already there. Or better yet, use italics.
Can we laugh some more (http://deadspin.com/mariners-catcher-barfs-out-some-thoughts-about-protesto-1786972336) at the Arrieta/Strop trade?
Jose Fernandez died in a boating accident yesterday. Holy shit.
Eloy breathes a sigh of relief
It's about that time.
Addison Russell and the cloud hanging over him plus some stuff (probably Eloy, but not if we're lucky) back to Oakland for Sonny Gray plus some stuff. Javy takes over at SS full-time. Ian Happ takes over at 2B mostly full time. Billy Beane gets to RIGHT THAT WRONG.
Does this live up to the thread title or is it crazeballs?
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 30, 2017, 10:59:15 PM
It's about that time.
Addison Russell and the cloud hanging over him plus some stuff (probably Eloy, but not if we're lucky) back to Oakland for Sonny Gray plus some stuff. Javy takes over at SS full-time. Ian Happ takes over at 2B mostly full time. Billy Beane gets to RIGHT THAT WRONG.
Does this live up to the thread title or is it crazeballs?
Russell AND Eloy?
(https://i.imgflip.com/emyd9.jpg)
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 30, 2017, 10:59:15 PM
It's about that time.
Addison Russell and the cloud hanging over him plus some stuff (probably Eloy, but not if we're lucky) back to Oakland for Sonny Gray plus some stuff. Javy takes over at SS full-time. Ian Happ takes over at 2B mostly full time. Billy Beane gets to RIGHT THAT WRONG.
Does this live up to the thread title or is it crazeballs?
Unless "Some stuff" is Manaea, this is way too much for Gray.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 05, 2017, 08:24:52 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 30, 2017, 10:59:15 PM
It's about that time.
Addison Russell and the cloud hanging over him plus some stuff (probably Eloy, but not if we're lucky) back to Oakland for Sonny Gray plus some stuff. Javy takes over at SS full-time. Ian Happ takes over at 2B mostly full time. Billy Beane gets to RIGHT THAT WRONG.
Does this live up to the thread title or is it crazeballs?
Unless "Some stuff" is Manaea, this is way too much for Gray.
Verlander and Avila for one of Russell-Happ-Eloy plus Candelario, and Cease? Do you do this deal? Keep in mind, Detroit says it's not eating salary.
Quote from: Brownie on July 05, 2017, 09:36:32 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 05, 2017, 08:24:52 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 30, 2017, 10:59:15 PM
It's about that time.
Addison Russell and the cloud hanging over him plus some stuff (probably Eloy, but not if we're lucky) back to Oakland for Sonny Gray plus some stuff. Javy takes over at SS full-time. Ian Happ takes over at 2B mostly full time. Billy Beane gets to RIGHT THAT WRONG.
Does this live up to the thread title or is it crazeballs?
Unless "Some stuff" is Manaea, this is way too much for Gray.
Verlander and Avila for one of Russell-Happ-Eloy plus Candelario, and Cease? Do you do this deal? Keep in mind, Detroit says it's not eating salary.
Detroit not eating salary drives the asking price way down, I would think. Verlander is expensive and long in the tooth.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 05, 2017, 10:18:17 AM
Quote from: Brownie on July 05, 2017, 09:36:32 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 05, 2017, 08:24:52 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 30, 2017, 10:59:15 PM
It's about that time.
Addison Russell and the cloud hanging over him plus some stuff (probably Eloy, but not if we're lucky) back to Oakland for Sonny Gray plus some stuff. Javy takes over at SS full-time. Ian Happ takes over at 2B mostly full time. Billy Beane gets to RIGHT THAT WRONG.
Does this live up to the thread title or is it crazeballs?
Unless "Some stuff" is Manaea, this is way too much for Gray.
Verlander and Avila for one of Russell-Happ-Eloy plus Candelario, and Cease? Do you do this deal? Keep in mind, Detroit says it's not eating salary.
Detroit not eating salary drives the asking price way down, I would think. Verlander is expensive and long in the tooth.
Montero and Sczcur for Verlander (shh, don't tell them).
Quote from: Brownie on July 05, 2017, 09:36:32 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 05, 2017, 08:24:52 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 30, 2017, 10:59:15 PM
It's about that time.
Addison Russell and the cloud hanging over him plus some stuff (probably Eloy, but not if we're lucky) back to Oakland for Sonny Gray plus some stuff. Javy takes over at SS full-time. Ian Happ takes over at 2B mostly full time. Billy Beane gets to RIGHT THAT WRONG.
Does this live up to the thread title or is it crazeballs?
Unless "Some stuff" is Manaea, this is way too much for Gray.
Verlander and Avila for one of Russell-Happ-Eloy plus Candelario, and Cease? Do you do this deal? Keep in mind, Detroit says it's not eating salary.
Is a 3-win, 35 year old pitcher worth 56MM over two years plus whatever the buy-out in 2020 costs? Plus any notable prospects?
Quote from: Oleg on July 05, 2017, 10:32:05 AM
Quote from: Brownie on July 05, 2017, 09:36:32 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 05, 2017, 08:24:52 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 30, 2017, 10:59:15 PM
It's about that time.
Addison Russell and the cloud hanging over him plus some stuff (probably Eloy, but not if we're lucky) back to Oakland for Sonny Gray plus some stuff. Javy takes over at SS full-time. Ian Happ takes over at 2B mostly full time. Billy Beane gets to RIGHT THAT WRONG.
Does this live up to the thread title or is it crazeballs?
Unless "Some stuff" is Manaea, this is way too much for Gray.
Verlander and Avila for one of Russell-Happ-Eloy plus Candelario, and Cease? Do you do this deal? Keep in mind, Detroit says it's not eating salary.
Is a 3-win, 35 year old pitcher worth 56MM over two years plus whatever the buy-out in 2020 costs? Plus any notable prospects?
2020 vests with a top 5 Cy Young vote in 2019. Cost is either $22 million or $-0-.
No salary eating means non-MLB ready talent.
So, Schwarber.
Will the Cubs also sell pieces? Seriously, what would Arrieta fetch in the trade market right now if he puts together two or three more decent starts? How about Wade Davis? Can the Cubs decide that if they sneak in the playoffs this team, as currently constructed, probably won't last long, so maybe they should just reconfigure a little bit, and maybe still make the playoffs this year?
Who else could be made available? Zobrist (two more years under contract, maybe untradeable)? Russell? Lackey (would someone be desperate enough to take him since he's a "winner" with three rings)? Strop? Heyward (also maybe untradeable)?
Quote from: Brownie on July 05, 2017, 11:59:28 AM
Will the Cubs also sell pieces? Seriously, what would Arrieta fetch in the trade market right now if he puts together two or three more decent starts? How about Wade Davis? Can the Cubs decide that if they sneak in the playoffs this team, as currently constructed, probably won't last long, so maybe they should just reconfigure a little bit, and maybe still make the playoffs this year?
Who else could be made available? Zobrist (two more years under contract, maybe untradeable)? Russell? Lackey (would someone be desperate enough to take him since he's a "winner" with three rings)? Strop? Heyward (also maybe untradeable)?
If the Cubs "sell" and send a message that they aren't confident their core guys can make up 3.5 games on the f--king Brewers in half a season I don't expect that go over well. They'll buy. They won't sell
Quote from: SKO on July 05, 2017, 12:01:53 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 05, 2017, 11:59:28 AM
Will the Cubs also sell pieces? Seriously, what would Arrieta fetch in the trade market right now if he puts together two or three more decent starts? How about Wade Davis? Can the Cubs decide that if they sneak in the playoffs this team, as currently constructed, probably won't last long, so maybe they should just reconfigure a little bit, and maybe still make the playoffs this year?
Who else could be made available? Zobrist (two more years under contract, maybe untradeable)? Russell? Lackey (would someone be desperate enough to take him since he's a "winner" with three rings)? Strop? Heyward (also maybe untradeable)?
If the Cubs "sell" and send a message that they aren't confident their core guys can make up 3.5 games on the f--king Brewers in half a season I don't expect that go over well. They'll buy. They won't sell
These "the Cubs need to sell or DECIDE by the end of July whether or not to sell" are currently the most scrotum-itching takes I've seen on Twitter.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on July 05, 2017, 12:03:37 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 05, 2017, 12:01:53 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 05, 2017, 11:59:28 AM
Will the Cubs also sell pieces? Seriously, what would Arrieta fetch in the trade market right now if he puts together two or three more decent starts? How about Wade Davis? Can the Cubs decide that if they sneak in the playoffs this team, as currently constructed, probably won't last long, so maybe they should just reconfigure a little bit, and maybe still make the playoffs this year?
Who else could be made available? Zobrist (two more years under contract, maybe untradeable)? Russell? Lackey (would someone be desperate enough to take him since he's a "winner" with three rings)? Strop? Heyward (also maybe untradeable)?
If the Cubs "sell" and send a message that they aren't confident their core guys can make up 3.5 games on the f--king Brewers in half a season I don't expect that go over well. They'll buy. They won't sell
These "the Cubs need to sell or DECIDE by the end of July whether or not to sell" are currently the most scrotum-itching takes I've seen on Twitter.
HOW MANY TEARS, THEO???
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on July 05, 2017, 12:03:37 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 05, 2017, 12:01:53 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 05, 2017, 11:59:28 AM
Will the Cubs also sell pieces? Seriously, what would Arrieta fetch in the trade market right now if he puts together two or three more decent starts? How about Wade Davis? Can the Cubs decide that if they sneak in the playoffs this team, as currently constructed, probably won't last long, so maybe they should just reconfigure a little bit, and maybe still make the playoffs this year?
Who else could be made available? Zobrist (two more years under contract, maybe untradeable)? Russell? Lackey (would someone be desperate enough to take him since he's a "winner" with three rings)? Strop? Heyward (also maybe untradeable)?
If the Cubs "sell" and send a message that they aren't confident their core guys can make up 3.5 games on the f--king Brewers in half a season I don't expect that go over well. They'll buy. They won't sell
These "the Cubs need to sell or DECIDE by the end of July whether or not to sell" are currently the most scrotum-itching takes I've seen on Twitter.
Also the idea that they'd be doomed to failure in October if they got there as an 85 win schlub is...flawed. The Giants won three world series and were maybe the third best team in the NL in two of those seasons. The 2006 Cardinals happened despite our World Series cancellation jokes. The 2014 Royals had a handful of elite relievers and a lineup of annoying assholes and rode them all of the way to game 7 of the world series. If you don't think this lineup and this rotation (assuming a trade deadline upgrade or two) could get randomly hot as dick for 11-19 games in October I can't agree with you.
Quote from: SKO on July 05, 2017, 12:30:25 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on July 05, 2017, 12:03:37 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 05, 2017, 12:01:53 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 05, 2017, 11:59:28 AM
Will the Cubs also sell pieces? Seriously, what would Arrieta fetch in the trade market right now if he puts together two or three more decent starts? How about Wade Davis? Can the Cubs decide that if they sneak in the playoffs this team, as currently constructed, probably won't last long, so maybe they should just reconfigure a little bit, and maybe still make the playoffs this year?
Who else could be made available? Zobrist (two more years under contract, maybe untradeable)? Russell? Lackey (would someone be desperate enough to take him since he's a "winner" with three rings)? Strop? Heyward (also maybe untradeable)?
If the Cubs "sell" and send a message that they aren't confident their core guys can make up 3.5 games on the f--king Brewers in half a season I don't expect that go over well. They'll buy. They won't sell
These "the Cubs need to sell or DECIDE by the end of July whether or not to sell" are currently the most scrotum-itching takes I've seen on Twitter.
Also the idea that they'd be doomed to failure in October if they got there as an 85 win schlub is...flawed. The Giants won three world series and were maybe the third best team in the NL in two of those seasons. The 2006 Cardinals happened despite our World Series cancellation jokes. The 2014 Royals had a handful of elite relievers and a lineup of annoying assholes and rode them all of the way to game 7 of the world series. If you don't think this lineup and this rotation (assuming a trade deadline upgrade or two) could get randomly hot as dick for 11-19 games in October I can't agree with you.
Could it be a combination of the two? Modest buying and an aggressive sell?
Quote from: Brownie on July 05, 2017, 01:17:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 05, 2017, 12:30:25 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on July 05, 2017, 12:03:37 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 05, 2017, 12:01:53 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 05, 2017, 11:59:28 AM
Will the Cubs also sell pieces? Seriously, what would Arrieta fetch in the trade market right now if he puts together two or three more decent starts? How about Wade Davis? Can the Cubs decide that if they sneak in the playoffs this team, as currently constructed, probably won't last long, so maybe they should just reconfigure a little bit, and maybe still make the playoffs this year?
Who else could be made available? Zobrist (two more years under contract, maybe untradeable)? Russell? Lackey (would someone be desperate enough to take him since he's a "winner" with three rings)? Strop? Heyward (also maybe untradeable)?
If the Cubs "sell" and send a message that they aren't confident their core guys can make up 3.5 games on the f--king Brewers in half a season I don't expect that go over well. They'll buy. They won't sell
These "the Cubs need to sell or DECIDE by the end of July whether or not to sell" are currently the most scrotum-itching takes I've seen on Twitter.
Also the idea that they'd be doomed to failure in October if they got there as an 85 win schlub is...flawed. The Giants won three world series and were maybe the third best team in the NL in two of those seasons. The 2006 Cardinals happened despite our World Series cancellation jokes. The 2014 Royals had a handful of elite relievers and a lineup of annoying assholes and rode them all of the way to game 7 of the world series. If you don't think this lineup and this rotation (assuming a trade deadline upgrade or two) could get randomly hot as dick for 11-19 games in October I can't agree with you.
Could it be a combination of the two? Modest buying and an aggressive sell?
I don't think anyone really does that. It doesn't really matter who you get, if you trade Jake Arrieta under the assumption that he's a piece that can help a contender, you're saying you aren't that contender, and the clubhouse that knows and loves him and won a title largely due to his efforts is not going to think you believe in them.
Quote from: Brownie on July 05, 2017, 11:59:28 AM
Will the Cubs also sell pieces? Seriously, what would Arrieta fetch in the trade market right now if he puts together two or three more decent starts? How about Wade Davis? Can the Cubs decide that if they sneak in the playoffs this team, as currently constructed, probably won't last long, so maybe they should just reconfigure a little bit, and maybe still make the playoffs this year?
Who else could be made available? Zobrist (two more years under contract, maybe untradeable)? Russell? Lackey (would someone be desperate enough to take him since he's a "winner" with three rings)? Strop? Heyward (also maybe untradeable)?
I want Davis extended, not traded.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 05, 2017, 02:24:10 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 05, 2017, 11:59:28 AM
Will the Cubs also sell pieces? Seriously, what would Arrieta fetch in the trade market right now if he puts together two or three more decent starts? How about Wade Davis? Can the Cubs decide that if they sneak in the playoffs this team, as currently constructed, probably won't last long, so maybe they should just reconfigure a little bit, and maybe still make the playoffs this year?
Who else could be made available? Zobrist (two more years under contract, maybe untradeable)? Russell? Lackey (would someone be desperate enough to take him since he's a "winner" with three rings)? Strop? Heyward (also maybe untradeable)?
I want Davis extended, not traded.
This decision hinges, I suspect, on whether or not they feel Carl's Jr. is, in fact, the Closer of the Future, and if he's ready to begin the role in 2018, in which case they'd have a rather cost-effective closer instead.
I do like Davis, though.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on July 05, 2017, 02:29:28 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 05, 2017, 02:24:10 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 05, 2017, 11:59:28 AM
Will the Cubs also sell pieces? Seriously, what would Arrieta fetch in the trade market right now if he puts together two or three more decent starts? How about Wade Davis? Can the Cubs decide that if they sneak in the playoffs this team, as currently constructed, probably won't last long, so maybe they should just reconfigure a little bit, and maybe still make the playoffs this year?
Who else could be made available? Zobrist (two more years under contract, maybe untradeable)? Russell? Lackey (would someone be desperate enough to take him since he's a "winner" with three rings)? Strop? Heyward (also maybe untradeable)?
I want Davis extended, not traded.
This decision hinges, I suspect, on whether or not they feel Carl's Jr. is, in fact, the Closer of the Future, and if he's ready to begin the role in 2018, in which case they'd have a rather cost-effective closer instead.
I do like Davis, though.
I don't think it is a question of Carl's ability so much as they seem very worried about how well that slight frame of his can hold up over the course of a season. They try hard to avoid using him on back to back days. Kinda hard to hand a guy with those restrictions the closer job. I wouldn't mind a Wade extension.
Quote from: SKO on July 05, 2017, 02:36:19 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on July 05, 2017, 02:29:28 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 05, 2017, 02:24:10 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 05, 2017, 11:59:28 AM
Will the Cubs also sell pieces? Seriously, what would Arrieta fetch in the trade market right now if he puts together two or three more decent starts? How about Wade Davis? Can the Cubs decide that if they sneak in the playoffs this team, as currently constructed, probably won't last long, so maybe they should just reconfigure a little bit, and maybe still make the playoffs this year?
Who else could be made available? Zobrist (two more years under contract, maybe untradeable)? Russell? Lackey (would someone be desperate enough to take him since he's a "winner" with three rings)? Strop? Heyward (also maybe untradeable)?
I want Davis extended, not traded.
This decision hinges, I suspect, on whether or not they feel Carl's Jr. is, in fact, the Closer of the Future, and if he's ready to begin the role in 2018, in which case they'd have a rather cost-effective closer instead.
I do like Davis, though.
I don't think it is a question of Carl's ability so much as they seem very worried about how well that slight frame of his can hold up over the course of a season. They try hard to avoid using him on back to back days. Kinda hard to hand a guy with those restrictions the closer job. I wouldn't mind a Wade extension.
I also favor a Davis extension for the same reasons I wanted Kenley so badly: Two bullpen aces on a contender are better than one. I just didn't want Chapman, because fuck that guy.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 05, 2017, 02:50:40 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 05, 2017, 02:36:19 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on July 05, 2017, 02:29:28 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 05, 2017, 02:24:10 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 05, 2017, 11:59:28 AM
Will the Cubs also sell pieces? Seriously, what would Arrieta fetch in the trade market right now if he puts together two or three more decent starts? How about Wade Davis? Can the Cubs decide that if they sneak in the playoffs this team, as currently constructed, probably won't last long, so maybe they should just reconfigure a little bit, and maybe still make the playoffs this year?
Who else could be made available? Zobrist (two more years under contract, maybe untradeable)? Russell? Lackey (would someone be desperate enough to take him since he's a "winner" with three rings)? Strop? Heyward (also maybe untradeable)?
I want Davis extended, not traded.
This decision hinges, I suspect, on whether or not they feel Carl's Jr. is, in fact, the Closer of the Future, and if he's ready to begin the role in 2018, in which case they'd have a rather cost-effective closer instead.
I do like Davis, though.
I don't think it is a question of Carl's ability so much as they seem very worried about how well that slight frame of his can hold up over the course of a season. They try hard to avoid using him on back to back days. Kinda hard to hand a guy with those restrictions the closer job. I wouldn't mind a Wade extension.
I also favor a Davis extension for the same reasons I wanted Kenley so badly: Two bullpen aces on a contender are better than one. I just didn't want Chapman, because fuck that guy.
This. And, as to cost, they are dropping $51.6 million in Jake, Lackey, Montero, and Uehara. Extending Davis uses, what, $20mm of that? Leaves $35mm for free agent pitchers. And that assumes payroll is static.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 05, 2017, 02:50:40 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 05, 2017, 02:36:19 PM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on July 05, 2017, 02:29:28 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 05, 2017, 02:24:10 PM
Quote from: Brownie on July 05, 2017, 11:59:28 AM
Will the Cubs also sell pieces? Seriously, what would Arrieta fetch in the trade market right now if he puts together two or three more decent starts? How about Wade Davis? Can the Cubs decide that if they sneak in the playoffs this team, as currently constructed, probably won't last long, so maybe they should just reconfigure a little bit, and maybe still make the playoffs this year?
Who else could be made available? Zobrist (two more years under contract, maybe untradeable)? Russell? Lackey (would someone be desperate enough to take him since he's a "winner" with three rings)? Strop? Heyward (also maybe untradeable)?
I want Davis extended, not traded.
This decision hinges, I suspect, on whether or not they feel Carl's Jr. is, in fact, the Closer of the Future, and if he's ready to begin the role in 2018, in which case they'd have a rather cost-effective closer instead.
I do like Davis, though.
I don't think it is a question of Carl's ability so much as they seem very worried about how well that slight frame of his can hold up over the course of a season. They try hard to avoid using him on back to back days. Kinda hard to hand a guy with those restrictions the closer job. I wouldn't mind a Wade extension.
I also favor a Davis extension for the same reasons I wanted Kenley so badly: Two bullpen aces on a contender are better than one. I just didn't want Chapman, because fuck that guy.
Edwards and Davis make it a 7 inning game most days. I'm perfectly fine with keeping that party going.
DPD.
Detroit can't possibly be this crazy, right (http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2017/07/10/report-cubs-out-on-verlander-in-on-fulmer-and-norris/)?
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 10, 2017, 02:06:55 PM
DPD.
Detroit can't possibly be this crazy, right (http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2017/07/10/report-cubs-out-on-verlander-in-on-fulmer-and-norris/)?
Yeah, how dare they set their negotiating anchor high. Should've read The Art of The Deal.
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DPD.
Detroit can't possibly be this crazy, right (http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2017/07/10/report-cubs-out-on-verlander-in-on-fulmer-and-norris/)?
Yeah, how dare they set their negotiating anchor high. Should've read The Art of The Deal.
I think he meant crazy as in considering trading either of those guys not crazy in their asking price, whatever it may be.
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DPD.
Detroit can't possibly be this crazy, right (http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2017/07/10/report-cubs-out-on-verlander-in-on-fulmer-and-norris/)?
Yeah, how dare they set their negotiating anchor high. Should've read The Art of The Deal.
I think he meant crazy as in considering trading either of those guys not crazy in their asking price, whatever it may be.
Seriously, other than Bryant or Rizzo, I'd pretty much be willing to discuss anybody else in the Cubs organization if Detroit is willing to discuss Fulmer.
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Quote from: Oleg on July 10, 2017, 03:30:33 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 10, 2017, 03:13:53 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 10, 2017, 02:06:55 PM
DPD.
Detroit can't possibly be this crazy, right (http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2017/07/10/report-cubs-out-on-verlander-in-on-fulmer-and-norris/)?
Yeah, how dare they set their negotiating anchor high. Should've read The Art of The Deal.
I think he meant crazy as in considering trading either of those guys not crazy in their asking price, whatever it may be.
Seriously, other than Bryant or Rizzo, I'd pretty much be willing to discuss anybody else in the Cubs organization if Detroit is willing to discuss Fulmer.
My fault for misreading a Forkpost. I would also like quality controllable starting pitching. It won't come free.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 10, 2017, 04:45:21 PM
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Quote from: Oleg on July 10, 2017, 03:30:33 PM
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DPD.
Detroit can't possibly be this crazy, right (http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2017/07/10/report-cubs-out-on-verlander-in-on-fulmer-and-norris/)?
Yeah, how dare they set their negotiating anchor high. Should've read The Art of The Deal.
I think he meant crazy as in considering trading either of those guys not crazy in their asking price, whatever it may be.
Seriously, other than Bryant or Rizzo, I'd pretty much be willing to discuss anybody else in the Cubs organization if Detroit is willing to discuss Fulmer.
My fault for misreading a Forkpost. I would also like quality controllable starting pitching. It won't come free.
I actually wonder if Jepstink already have thrown in the towel on going the rental route and are only exploring this option. But yeah, I'm pretty sure any GM worth his salt asks for Eloy first, then the haggling commences.
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Quote from: Oleg on July 10, 2017, 03:30:33 PM
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DPD.
Detroit can't possibly be this crazy, right (http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2017/07/10/report-cubs-out-on-verlander-in-on-fulmer-and-norris/)?
Yeah, how dare they set their negotiating anchor high. Should've read The Art of The Deal.
I think he meant crazy as in considering trading either of those guys not crazy in their asking price, whatever it may be.
Seriously, other than Bryant or Rizzo, I'd pretty much be willing to discuss anybody else in the Cubs organization if Detroit is willing to discuss Fulmer.
My fault for misreading a Forkpost. I would also like quality controllable starting pitching. It won't come free.
I actually wonder if Jepstink already have thrown in the towel on going the rental route and are only exploring this option. But yeah, I'm pretty sure any GM worth his salt asks for Eloy first, then the haggling commences.
They don't have enough blue chippers left to trade for a controllable starter and a rental, and they're not 1 player away from fixing this. A rental would be dumb. I expect they will try for a big time, controlled starter and then probably trade a non-prospect for some Dan Haren-esque innings eater who can at least be expected to not meltdown every 5th day.
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DPD.
Detroit can't possibly be this crazy, right (http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2017/07/10/report-cubs-out-on-verlander-in-on-fulmer-and-norris/)?
Yeah, how dare they set their negotiating anchor high. Should've read The Art of The Deal.
I think he meant crazy as in considering trading either of those guys not crazy in their asking price, whatever it may be.
Seriously, other than Bryant or Rizzo, I'd pretty much be willing to discuss anybody else in the Cubs organization if Detroit is willing to discuss Fulmer.
My fault for misreading a Forkpost. I would also like quality controllable starting pitching. It won't come free.
I actually wonder if Jepstink already have thrown in the towel on going the rental route and are only exploring this option. But yeah, I'm pretty sure any GM worth his salt asks for Eloy first, then the haggling commences.
They don't have enough blue chippers left to trade for a controllable starter and a rental, and they're not 1 player away from fixing this. A rental would be dumb. I expect they will try for a big time, controlled starter and then probably trade a non-prospect for some Dan Haren-esque innings eater who can at least be expected to not meltdown every 5th day.
They keep mining for these uptapped potential guys who haven't panneded out, like Butler or Alec Mills. I'm not sure they've got bullets they want to use to land a Chris Archer.
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DPD.
Detroit can't possibly be this crazy, right (http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2017/07/10/report-cubs-out-on-verlander-in-on-fulmer-and-norris/)?
Yeah, how dare they set their negotiating anchor high. Should've read The Art of The Deal.
I think he meant crazy as in considering trading either of those guys not crazy in their asking price, whatever it may be.
Seriously, other than Bryant or Rizzo, I'd pretty much be willing to discuss anybody else in the Cubs organization if Detroit is willing to discuss Fulmer.
My fault for misreading a Forkpost. I would also like quality controllable starting pitching. It won't come free.
I actually wonder if Jepstink already have thrown in the towel on going the rental route and are only exploring this option. But yeah, I'm pretty sure any GM worth his salt asks for Eloy first, then the haggling commences.
They don't have enough blue chippers left to trade for a controllable starter and a rental, and they're not 1 player away from fixing this. A rental would be dumb. I expect they will try for a big time, controlled starter and then probably trade a non-prospect for some Dan Haren-esque innings eater who can at least be expected to not meltdown every 5th day.
They keep mining for these uptapped potential guys who haven't panneded out, like Butler or Alec Mills. I'm not sure they've got bullets they want to use to land a Chris Archer.
They're going to have to at some point, aren't they? The system doesn't have a top-of-the-rotation guy anywhere close to the bigs, and Yu Darvish is about the only FA who fits that description.
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Quote from: Oleg on July 10, 2017, 03:30:33 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 10, 2017, 03:13:53 PM
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DPD.
Detroit can't possibly be this crazy, right (http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2017/07/10/report-cubs-out-on-verlander-in-on-fulmer-and-norris/)?
Yeah, how dare they set their negotiating anchor high. Should've read The Art of The Deal.
I think he meant crazy as in considering trading either of those guys not crazy in their asking price, whatever it may be.
Seriously, other than Bryant or Rizzo, I'd pretty much be willing to discuss anybody else in the Cubs organization if Detroit is willing to discuss Fulmer.
My fault for misreading a Forkpost. I would also like quality controllable starting pitching. It won't come free.
I actually wonder if Jepstink already have thrown in the towel on going the rental route and are only exploring this option. But yeah, I'm pretty sure any GM worth his salt asks for Eloy first, then the haggling commences.
They don't have enough blue chippers left to trade for a controllable starter and a rental, and they're not 1 player away from fixing this. A rental would be dumb. I expect they will try for a big time, controlled starter and then probably trade a non-prospect for some Dan Haren-esque innings eater who can at least be expected to not meltdown every 5th day.
They keep mining for these uptapped potential guys who haven't panneded out, like Butler or Alec Mills. I'm not sure they've got bullets they want to use to land a Chris Archer.
They're going to have to at some point, aren't they? The system doesn't have a top-of-the-rotation guy anywhere close to the bigs, and Yu Darvish is about the only FA who fits that description.
They can certainly go after Darvish, all he'll cost is money and a draft pick - not a big deal, since they'll get two after Jake and Davis get qualified. But thanks to Jake's inconsistency, Darvish will be the big-ticket item on the FA pitching market this winter...
...makes me wonder if Jepstink are watching Jake's value fall and thinking 6/120 might be doable now.
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Quote from: Oleg on July 10, 2017, 03:30:33 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 10, 2017, 03:13:53 PM
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DPD.
Detroit can't possibly be this crazy, right (http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2017/07/10/report-cubs-out-on-verlander-in-on-fulmer-and-norris/)?
Yeah, how dare they set their negotiating anchor high. Should've read The Art of The Deal.
I think he meant crazy as in considering trading either of those guys not crazy in their asking price, whatever it may be.
Seriously, other than Bryant or Rizzo, I'd pretty much be willing to discuss anybody else in the Cubs organization if Detroit is willing to discuss Fulmer.
My fault for misreading a Forkpost. I would also like quality controllable starting pitching. It won't come free.
I actually wonder if Jepstink already have thrown in the towel on going the rental route and are only exploring this option. But yeah, I'm pretty sure any GM worth his salt asks for Eloy first, then the haggling commences.
They don't have enough blue chippers left to trade for a controllable starter and a rental, and they're not 1 player away from fixing this. A rental would be dumb. I expect they will try for a big time, controlled starter and then probably trade a non-prospect for some Dan Haren-esque innings eater who can at least be expected to not meltdown every 5th day.
They keep mining for these uptapped potential guys who haven't panneded out, like Butler or Alec Mills. I'm not sure they've got bullets they want to use to land a Chris Archer.
They're going to have to at some point, aren't they? The system doesn't have a top-of-the-rotation guy anywhere close to the bigs, and Yu Darvish is about the only FA who fits that description.
They can certainly go after Darvish, all he'll cost is money and a draft pick - not a big deal, since they'll get two after Jake and Davis get qualified. But thanks to Jake's inconsistency, Darvish will be the big-ticket item on the FA pitching market this winter...
...makes me wonder if Jepstink are watching Jake's value fall and thinking 6/120 might be doable now.
I can't imagine guaranteeing Jake 6 years of anything. He's a below average starter now and his velocity is down 3 ticks after two workhorse seasons. No thanks.
ELOY+CEASE and some stuff for JOSE FUCKING QUINTANA
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2017, 10:27:35 AM
ELOY+CEASE and some stuff for JOSE FUCKING QUINTANA
Wow. Turns out Theo and the dudes were a little busy over the break.
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Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2017, 10:27:35 AM
ELOY+CEASE and some stuff for JOSE FUCKING QUINTANA
Wow. Turns out Theo and the dudes were a little busy over the break.
Welcome to Chicago, Jose!
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 13, 2017, 10:38:08 AM
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ELOY+CEASE and some stuff for JOSE FUCKING QUINTANA
Wow. Turns out Theo and the dudes were a little busy over the break.
Welcome to Chicago, Jose!
For their next trick, bring us Marcus Stroman.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 13, 2017, 11:18:21 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 13, 2017, 10:51:33 AM
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Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2017, 10:27:35 AM
ELOY+CEASE and some stuff for JOSE FUCKING QUINTANA
Wow. Turns out Theo and the dudes were a little busy over the break.
Welcome to Chicago, Jose!
For their next trick, bring us Marcus Stroman.
I don't think they have the prospects left for that. Or really any big deal. Any further trades will be guys like Candelario (depth they don't need) for some 2017 version of Dan Haren or depth they do need. Then with Hendricks/Quintana and possibly Montgomery holding down 3/5ths of the rotation for cheap they can go out and pay big bucks for Darvish if they want.
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2017, 10:27:35 AM
ELOY+CEASE and some stuff for JOSE FUCKING QUINTANA
I think Rose's nickname was "Dee" and Flete's nickname was "Cyst."
Good trade for a controllable starter.
The rebuild really broke some people's fucking brains because apparently there is no trade ever that is worth the Cubs giving up a top ten prospect even if that guy plays a blocked position and is in A ball. NEVER GIVE UP PROZPEKTS.
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2017, 11:52:13 AM
The rebuild really broke some people's fucking brains because apparently there is no trade ever that is worth the Cubs giving up a top ten prospect even if that guy plays a blocked position and is in A ball. NEVER GIVE UP PROZPEKTS.
Prospects are just people that are not dead yet.
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2017, 11:52:13 AM
The rebuild really broke some people's fucking brains because apparently there is no trade ever that is worth the Cubs giving up a top ten prospect even if that guy plays a blocked position and is in A ball. NEVER GIVE UP PROZPEKTS.
I feel like that's always been the case. I'd hope the WS win would have changed that. Guess not.
Quote from: Oleg on July 13, 2017, 01:38:39 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2017, 11:52:13 AM
The rebuild really broke some people's fucking brains because apparently there is no trade ever that is worth the Cubs giving up a top ten prospect even if that guy plays a blocked position and is in A ball. NEVER GIVE UP PROZPEKTS.
I feel like that's always been the case. I'd hope the WS win would have changed that. Guess not.
I also think the decline in quality at Baseball Prospectus can be largely traced to their response to every trade being "harrumph, but didn't you know prospects are VALUABLE, ser?!"
One guy said the Cubs acted like a small-market team by "over-paying in prospects to get Quintana because he's cheap." What the fuck? They paid pretty much exactly market value on the trade market for the best pitcher available, one likely better than any ace that'll be available in FA, and the very fact that he's so cheap allows them to spend their big market resources elsewhere!
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2017, 01:41:10 PM
Quote from: Oleg on July 13, 2017, 01:38:39 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2017, 11:52:13 AM
The rebuild really broke some people's fucking brains because apparently there is no trade ever that is worth the Cubs giving up a top ten prospect even if that guy plays a blocked position and is in A ball. NEVER GIVE UP PROZPEKTS.
I feel like that's always been the case. I'd hope the WS win would have changed that. Guess not.
I also think the decline in quality at Baseball Prospectus can be largely traced to their response to every trade being "harrumph, but didn't you know prospects are VALUABLE, ser?!"
One guy said the Cubs acted like a small-market team by "over-paying in prospects to get Quintana because he's cheap." What the fuck? They paid pretty much exactly market value on the trade market for the best pitcher available, one likely better than any ace that'll be available in FA, and the very fact that he's so cheap allows them to spend their big market resources elsewhere!
Classic case of having to be the smartest one in the room.
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Quote from: Oleg on July 13, 2017, 01:38:39 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2017, 11:52:13 AM
The rebuild really broke some people's fucking brains because apparently there is no trade ever that is worth the Cubs giving up a top ten prospect even if that guy plays a blocked position and is in A ball. NEVER GIVE UP PROZPEKTS.
I feel like that's always been the case. I'd hope the WS win would have changed that. Guess not.
I also think the decline in quality at Baseball Prospectus can be largely traced to their response to every trade being "harrumph, but didn't you know prospects are VALUABLE, ser?!"
One guy said the Cubs acted like a small-market team by "over-paying in prospects to get Quintana because he's cheap." What the fuck? They paid pretty much exactly market value on the trade market for the best pitcher available, one likely better than any ace that'll be available in FA, and the very fact that he's so cheap allows them to spend their big market resources elsewhere!
Classic case of having to be the smartest one in the room.
Not only is he cheap, but the options years are at the TEAM's option. That means, if his arm falls off tomorrow, the Cubs are on the hook for nothing in terms of salary. Further, since the money is not guaranteed to be paid (until the option is exercised), the Cubs save a boatload of cash in terms of insurance on a long term deal.
Winner all the way around.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 13, 2017, 01:36:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2017, 11:52:13 AM
The rebuild really broke some people's fucking brains because apparently there is no trade ever that is worth the Cubs giving up a top ten prospect even if that guy plays a blocked position and is in A ball. NEVER GIVE UP PROZPEKTS.
Prospects are just people that are not dead yet.
I admit it...I agree with Chuck.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 13, 2017, 01:36:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2017, 11:52:13 AM
The rebuild really broke some people's fucking brains because apparently there is no trade ever that is worth the Cubs giving up a top ten prospect even if that guy plays a blocked position and is in A ball. NEVER GIVE UP PROZPEKTS.
Prospects are just people that are not dead yet.
That's the motto of the Cardinals' farm system.
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 13, 2017, 01:36:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2017, 11:52:13 AM
The rebuild really broke some people's fucking brains because apparently there is no trade ever that is worth the Cubs giving up a top ten prospect even if that guy plays a blocked position and is in A ball. NEVER GIVE UP PROZPEKTS.
Prospects are just people that are not dead yet.
That's the motto of the Cardinals' farm system.
Brewers. (https://www.brewcrewball.com/2013/6/18/4441546/an-open-letter-to-mark-attanasio-a-parody)
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 13, 2017, 01:36:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2017, 11:52:13 AM
The rebuild really broke some people's fucking brains because apparently there is no trade ever that is worth the Cubs giving up a top ten prospect even if that guy plays a blocked position and is in A ball. NEVER GIVE UP PROZPEKTS.
Prospects are just people that are not dead yet.
That's the motto of the Cardinals' farm system.
Brewers. (https://www.brewcrewball.com/2013/6/18/4441546/an-open-letter-to-mark-attanasio-a-parody)
That's fucking outstanding.
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Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2017, 11:52:13 AM
The rebuild really broke some people's fucking brains because apparently there is no trade ever that is worth the Cubs giving up a top ten prospect even if that guy plays a blocked position and is in A ball. NEVER GIVE UP PROZPEKTS.
Prospects are just people that are not dead yet.
That's the motto of the Cardinals' farm system.
Brewers. (https://www.brewcrewball.com/2013/6/18/4441546/an-open-letter-to-mark-attanasio-a-parody)
That's fucking outstanding.
Not to mention, Alvin's Open Letter to Theo is like one of those albums you only put on maybe once a year, but it always delivers.
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Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2017, 11:52:13 AM
The rebuild really broke some people's fucking brains because apparently there is no trade ever that is worth the Cubs giving up a top ten prospect even if that guy plays a blocked position and is in A ball. NEVER GIVE UP PROZPEKTS.
Prospects are just people that are not dead yet.
That's the motto of the Cardinals' farm system.
Brewers. (https://www.brewcrewball.com/2013/6/18/4441546/an-open-letter-to-mark-attanasio-a-parody)
That's fucking outstanding.
Stunned you hadn't seen it before.
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Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2017, 11:52:13 AM
The rebuild really broke some people's fucking brains because apparently there is no trade ever that is worth the Cubs giving up a top ten prospect even if that guy plays a blocked position and is in A ball. NEVER GIVE UP PROZPEKTS.
Prospects are just people that are not dead yet.
That's the motto of the Cardinals' farm system.
Brewers. (https://www.brewcrewball.com/2013/6/18/4441546/an-open-letter-to-mark-attanasio-a-parody)
That's fucking outstanding.
Stunned you hadn't seen it before.
To be honest I did not pay that much attention to the Cubs in 2013 outside of reading prospect lists and minor league breakdowns, I didn't actually find out about Al's Open Letter until maybe 2-3 months after it happened.
the Twitter rumor mill has the Cubs still in on Gray. Does Beane RIGHT THAT WRONG and take Russell? The Cubs don't have the guys in the minors to land him.
Or is Beane using Jepstink as a stalking horse?
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the Twitter rumor mill has the Cubs still in on Gray. Does Beane RIGHT THAT WRONG and take Russell? The Cubs don't have the guys in the minors to land him.
Or is Beane using Jepstink as a stalking horse?
Or, is Jepstink trying to get the Yanks and the Red Sox to beat Milwaukee to the punch?
Gray's start tomorrow scratched. Something must be close.
Not finalized yet, but widely reported that the Cubs and Tigers have reached a deal for catcher Alex Avila and a pitcher named Justin ... Wilson. Jeimer and Isaac Paredes heading to Detroit along with cash or a PTBNL.
That's probably it for the deadline, unless they decide to move major league pieces.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 30, 2017, 11:17:54 PM
Not finalized yet, but widely reported that the Cubs and Tigers have reached a deal for catcher Alex Avila and a pitcher named Justin ... Wilson. Jeimer and Isaac Paredes heading to Detroit along with cash or a PTBNL.
That's probably it for the deadline, unless they decide to move major league pieces.
I honestly am still not going to rule out Verlander, even in August since that contract will definitely pass waivers, because Detroit is eventually going to have to accept that no one is eating that full contract and they won't get any major prospects from it.
That said if this is all they get, sweet. I'll begrudgingly admit that if Lackey has re-discovered an extra couple miles on his fastball like yesterday he'll be serviceable the rest of the way, Kyle has looked effective even w the diminishing velocity, and adding Wilson to an already stellar pen means Joe could pull any struggling starters after just 3 or so innings and roll with Montgomery for a couple innings followed by Strop/Rondon, Uehara, Carl, Wilson, Davis.
Wilson's also under control for next year.
This is a fucking heist.
Does Wilson constitute as a the "Miller-type" I was speculating that Theo would pursue?
Quote from: Canadouche on July 31, 2017, 08:19:24 AM
Does Wilson constitute as a the "Miller-type" I was speculating that Theo would pursue?
Not really. He's only gone more than one inning twice all season.
Quote from: Canadouche on July 31, 2017, 08:19:24 AM
Does Wilson constitute as a the "Miller-type" I was speculating that Theo would pursue?
Stu?
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Quote from: Canadouche on July 31, 2017, 08:19:24 AM
Does Wilson constitute as a the "Miller-type" I was speculating that Theo would pursue?
Not really. He's only gone more than one inning twice all season.
I mean, sure, he's a very good left handed reliever, but if you want to call all of those Andrew Miller that's about akin to Fork calling Tommy La Stella a "Zobrist-lite".
Quote from: Canadouche on July 31, 2017, 08:19:24 AM
Does Wilson constitute as a the "Miller-type" I was speculating that Theo would pursue?
The
whole constitute as a the?
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Quote from: Canadouche on July 31, 2017, 08:19:24 AM
Does Wilson constitute as a the "Miller-type" I was speculating that Theo would pursue?
Not really. He's only gone more than one inning twice all season.
Before he'd been traded to Cleveland last year, Miller had pitched 45.1 innings in 44 games. Even last year, in the regular season, he only pitched 3 more innings than games he'd appeared in. It wasn't until the playoffs that he began to be used in an unconventional way, which has spilled over into the new season where, this year, he's thrown 53.1 innings in 45 appearances. Miller was always a well-known amazing set up man/closer, but the unconventional way that he gets used is still pretty new for him. I bet that the Cubs will try to use Wilson in a similar way to how Cleveland now uses Miller, assuming he steps up and can handle the workload, and high leverage situations.
Quote from: Canadouche on July 31, 2017, 10:37:49 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 31, 2017, 08:33:30 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on July 31, 2017, 08:19:24 AM
Does Wilson constitute as a the "Miller-type" I was speculating that Theo would pursue?
Not really. He's only gone more than one inning twice all season.
Before he'd been traded to Cleveland last year, Miller had pitched 45.1 innings in 44 games. Even last year, in the regular season, he only pitched 3 more innings than games he'd appeared in. It wasn't until the playoffs that he began to be used in an unconventional way, which has spilled over into the new season where, this year, he's thrown 53.1 innings in 45 appearances. Miller was always a well-known amazing set up man/closer, but the unconventional way that he gets used is still pretty new for him. I bet that the Cubs will try to use Wilson in a similar way to how Cleveland now uses Miller, assuming he steps up and can handle the workload, and high leverage situations.
Is this just because you really want to be right on the internet, or is there some indication besides Miller = lefty, Wilson = lefty, therefore Wilson = Miller that this is what the Cubs have in mind?
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 31, 2017, 10:48:29 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on July 31, 2017, 10:37:49 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 31, 2017, 08:33:30 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on July 31, 2017, 08:19:24 AM
Does Wilson constitute as a the "Miller-type" I was speculating that Theo would pursue?
Not really. He's only gone more than one inning twice all season.
Before he'd been traded to Cleveland last year, Miller had pitched 45.1 innings in 44 games. Even last year, in the regular season, he only pitched 3 more innings than games he'd appeared in. It wasn't until the playoffs that he began to be used in an unconventional way, which has spilled over into the new season where, this year, he's thrown 53.1 innings in 45 appearances. Miller was always a well-known amazing set up man/closer, but the unconventional way that he gets used is still pretty new for him. I bet that the Cubs will try to use Wilson in a similar way to how Cleveland now uses Miller, assuming he steps up and can handle the workload, and high leverage situations.
Is this just because you really want to be right on the internet, or is there some indication besides Miller = lefty, Wilson = lefty, therefore Wilson = Miller that this is what the Cubs have in mind?
I mean Wilson has basically no platoon splits this year, could probably handle that role, there's also no reason for the Cubs to stretch him out like that with a bullpen that already ranked 2nd in the NL before this trade. Could we see him do that sh-t in October? Yeah, but I doubt Joe would feel the need to ask him to go more than one inning right now, when Mike Montgomery is a thing that exists.
Quote from: Canadouche on July 31, 2017, 10:37:49 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 31, 2017, 08:33:30 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on July 31, 2017, 08:19:24 AM
Does Wilson constitute as a the "Miller-type" I was speculating that Theo would pursue?
Not really. He's only gone more than one inning twice all season.
Before he'd been traded to Cleveland last year, Miller had pitched 45.1 innings in 44 games. Even last year, in the regular season, he only pitched 3 more innings than games he'd appeared in. It wasn't until the playoffs that he began to be used in an unconventional way, which has spilled over into the new season where, this year, he's thrown 53.1 innings in 45 appearances. Miller was always a well-known amazing set up man/closer, but the unconventional way that he gets used is still pretty new for him. I bet that the Cubs will try to use Wilson in a similar way to how Cleveland now uses Miller, assuming he steps up and can handle the workload, and high leverage situations.
See what happens when you use (the equivalent of) "might" and "could"? Happy, Eli?
The Brewers are getting Jeremy Jeffress back from Texas. Wrong: righted.
Sonny Gray: A Yankee.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 31, 2017, 10:48:29 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on July 31, 2017, 10:37:49 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 31, 2017, 08:33:30 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on July 31, 2017, 08:19:24 AM
Does Wilson constitute as a the "Miller-type" I was speculating that Theo would pursue?
Not really. He's only gone more than one inning twice all season.
Before he'd been traded to Cleveland last year, Miller had pitched 45.1 innings in 44 games. Even last year, in the regular season, he only pitched 3 more innings than games he'd appeared in. It wasn't until the playoffs that he began to be used in an unconventional way, which has spilled over into the new season where, this year, he's thrown 53.1 innings in 45 appearances. Miller was always a well-known amazing set up man/closer, but the unconventional way that he gets used is still pretty new for him. I bet that the Cubs will try to use Wilson in a similar way to how Cleveland now uses Miller, assuming he steps up and can handle the workload, and high leverage situations.
Is this just because you really want to be right on the internet, or is there some indication besides Miller = lefty, Wilson = lefty, therefore Wilson = Miller that this is what the Cubs have in mind?
I don't even think the lefty-lefty thing is relevant. The Cubs glaring weakness in the last post season was in bridging the gap from starter to closer, which caused Joe to over-rely on a handful of guys, and, in particular, to use Chapman in a way that Chapman wasn't particularly used to or comfortable with. He was basically trying to have his cake and eat it to -- use Chapman the way the Indians were using Miller, but still relying on Chapman to get the last 3 outs of the game, although the Indians had a different pitcher in the closer role.
The Cubs still only have a handful of relievers that I think Joe trusts in those high leverage situations. Obtaining Wilson gives Maddon a go-to-guy particularly in those situations in which they have to use your best reliever earlier in a game in either a dirty inning and/or against the best bats on the opposing lineup. Maybe they have no intention of using Wilson, or anybody, in that kind of role, but instead will maintain a more traditional use of bullpen. Still, this is a pretty good grade that makes the Cubs a better team in those high leverage situations.
Are the Dodgers still having issues against LH pitching? Because now the Cubs have 2 in the rotation and 3 in the bullpen.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 31, 2017, 02:23:28 PM
Are the Dodgers still having issues against LH pitching? Because now the Cubs have 2 in the rotation and 3 in the bullpen.
It looks like they are actually hitting lefties slightly better than they hit righties.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 31, 2017, 02:23:28 PM
Are the Dodgers still having issues against LH pitching? Because now the Cubs have 2 in the rotation and 3 in the bullpen.
The Dodgers aren't having issues with anything right now. Gonna have to hope that just means they'll hit their wall late in the year.
Quote from: SKO on July 31, 2017, 03:06:39 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 31, 2017, 02:23:28 PM
Are the Dodgers still having issues against LH pitching? Because now the Cubs have 2 in the rotation and 3 in the bullpen.
The Dodgers aren't having issues with anything right now. Gonna have to hope that just means they'll hit their wall late in the year.
Plus they just picked up Darvish.
Quote from: Canadouche on July 31, 2017, 03:19:48 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 31, 2017, 03:06:39 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 31, 2017, 02:23:28 PM
Are the Dodgers still having issues against LH pitching? Because now the Cubs have 2 in the rotation and 3 in the bullpen.
The Dodgers aren't having issues with anything right now. Gonna have to hope that just means they'll hit their wall late in the year.
Plus they just picked up Darvish.
Gonna be some Cardinal-esque bullshit that pisses off everyone when a 91 win Cubs team tops the 110 win Dodgers and brother I am here for it.
Quote from: SKO on July 31, 2017, 03:30:27 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on July 31, 2017, 03:19:48 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 31, 2017, 03:06:39 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 31, 2017, 02:23:28 PM
Are the Dodgers still having issues against LH pitching? Because now the Cubs have 2 in the rotation and 3 in the bullpen.
The Dodgers aren't having issues with anything right now. Gonna have to hope that just means they'll hit their wall late in the year.
Plus they just picked up Darvish.
Gonna be some Cardinal-esque bullshit that pisses off everyone when a 91 win Cubs team tops the 110 win Dodgers and brother I am here for it.
I can't see Dodger fans getting too pissed off about anything. Except, of course, Giants fans.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 31, 2017, 03:38:29 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 31, 2017, 03:30:27 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on July 31, 2017, 03:19:48 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 31, 2017, 03:06:39 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 31, 2017, 02:23:28 PM
Are the Dodgers still having issues against LH pitching? Because now the Cubs have 2 in the rotation and 3 in the bullpen.
The Dodgers aren't having issues with anything right now. Gonna have to hope that just means they'll hit their wall late in the year.
Plus they just picked up Darvish.
Gonna be some Cardinal-esque bullshit that pisses off everyone when a 91 win Cubs team tops the 110 win Dodgers and brother I am here for it.
I can't see Dodger fans getting too pissed off about anything. Except, of course, Giants fans.
I mean in general I think if LA/NYY/CHI/BOS are all going to be in the mix this October casual fans are going to be on team "Anyone But Those Guys", but I would bet a few neutral observers/Cardinals and White Sox fans will be rooting for LA over the Cubs and be as baffled by their inexplicable success against Kershaw et al as we were in 2013/2014
The Tigers traded Justin Upton to the Angels. Is there any scenario in which Mr. Kate Upton (aka Justin Verlander) goes to the Cubs today? There was speculation yesterday that the Leake trade was for the Cardinals to clear space for Verlander.
As a side note, there have been fun Aug. 31 deals and near-deals. One of my favorite what-ifs was the near-trade of Jeff Pico and Calvin Schiraldi to the Sux for Carlton Fisk in 1989. (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1989-08-31/sports/8901090284_1_himes-cubs-that-a-rumor)
Quote from: Brownie on August 31, 2017, 01:40:50 PM
The Tigers traded Justin Upton to the Angels. Is there any scenario in which Mr. Kate Upton (aka Justin Verlander) goes to the Cubs today? There was speculation yesterday that the Leake trade was for the Cardinals to clear space for Verlander.
As a side note, there have been fun Aug. 31 deals and near-deals. One of my favorite what-ifs was the near-trade of Jeff Pico and Calvin Schiraldi to the Sux for Carlton Fisk in 1989. (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1989-08-31/sports/8901090284_1_himes-cubs-that-a-rumor)
Thank you for clarifying what you meant by Mr. Kate Upton, as I would have had no idea who you were talking about.
Quote from: Brownie on August 31, 2017, 01:40:50 PM
The Tigers traded Justin Upton to the Angels. Is there any scenario in which Mr. Kate Upton (aka Justin Verlander) goes to the Cubs today? There was speculation yesterday that the Leake trade was for the Cardinals to clear space for Verlander.
As a side note, there have been fun Aug. 31 deals and near-deals. One of my favorite what-ifs was the near-trade of Jeff Pico and Calvin Schiraldi to the Sux for Carlton Fisk in 1989. (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1989-08-31/sports/8901090284_1_himes-cubs-that-a-rumor)
So, The Cardinals would then think that Verlander is worth his remaining salary (58MM) plus the 17MM they sent to...oh god I forgot to whom they traded Leake. 75MM for two years of a 3-3.5-win pitcher...
Does that seem smart?
Quote from: Oleg on August 31, 2017, 02:46:16 PM
Quote from: Brownie on August 31, 2017, 01:40:50 PM
The Tigers traded Justin Upton to the Angels. Is there any scenario in which Mr. Kate Upton (aka Justin Verlander) goes to the Cubs today? There was speculation yesterday that the Leake trade was for the Cardinals to clear space for Verlander.
As a side note, there have been fun Aug. 31 deals and near-deals. One of my favorite what-ifs was the near-trade of Jeff Pico and Calvin Schiraldi to the Sux for Carlton Fisk in 1989. (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1989-08-31/sports/8901090284_1_himes-cubs-that-a-rumor)
So, The Cardinals would then think that Verlander is worth his remaining salary (58MM) plus the 17MM they sent to...oh god I forgot to whom they traded Leake. 75MM for two years of a 3-3.5-win pitcher...
Does that seem smart?
It's not the smart move, but it's the RIGHT move.
Shohei Otani is coming to MLB next year.
There's no way the Cubs get him, right?
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 13, 2017, 11:31:52 AM
Shohei Otani is coming to MLB next year.
There's no way the Cubs get him, right?
Actually there's a fairly compelling argument they might. Otani is passing up hundreds of millions potentially by wanting to be posted right now vs waiting the 2 years when he'd qualify as an actual free agent and not be subject to the cap. So the argument there is he knows he's giving up millions, he just wants to pitch in MLB, and whatever team he signs with can sign him to a market value extension after a year or so. So knowing any team he signs with is gonna have to work out a mega-extension with him soon, he's likely to choose based more on winning and culture than the ability to pay him 10 mil vs 300 K right now, because he's going to get his big pay day down soon enough anyway. So I'd definitely consider the Dodgers and Cubs in it.
Quote from: SKO on September 13, 2017, 12:33:40 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 13, 2017, 11:31:52 AM
Shohei Otani is coming to MLB next year.
There's no way the Cubs get him, right?
Actually there's a fairly compelling argument they might. Otani is passing up hundreds of millions potentially by wanting to be posted right now vs waiting the 2 years when he'd qualify as an actual free agent and not be subject to the cap. So the argument there is he knows he's giving up millions, he just wants to pitch in MLB, and whatever team he signs with can sign him to a market value extension after a year or so. So knowing any team he signs with is gonna have to work out a mega-extension with him soon, he's likely to choose based more on winning and culture than the ability to pay him 10 mil vs 300 K right now, because he's going to get his big pay day down soon enough anyway. So I'd definitely consider the Dodgers and Cubs in it.
What the Dodgers and Cubs can't offer though, is a chance to DH on non-pitching days.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 13, 2017, 12:42:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 13, 2017, 12:33:40 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 13, 2017, 11:31:52 AM
Shohei Otani is coming to MLB next year.
There's no way the Cubs get him, right?
Actually there's a fairly compelling argument they might. Otani is passing up hundreds of millions potentially by wanting to be posted right now vs waiting the 2 years when he'd qualify as an actual free agent and not be subject to the cap. So the argument there is he knows he's giving up millions, he just wants to pitch in MLB, and whatever team he signs with can sign him to a market value extension after a year or so. So knowing any team he signs with is gonna have to work out a mega-extension with him soon, he's likely to choose based more on winning and culture than the ability to pay him 10 mil vs 300 K right now, because he's going to get his big pay day down soon enough anyway. So I'd definitely consider the Dodgers and Cubs in it.
What the Dodgers and Cubs can't offer though, is a chance to DH on non-pitching days.
Honestly I'm not sure how that plays. Most AL teams will have an actual designated DH and would be afraid to take the risk of giving up offense if Otani turns out to be just a good-hitting pitcher and not an actual good hitter. I think an NL team where he'd be allowed to bat for himself while pitching and then be a pinch hitter/outfield sub might be more appealing. I'd have to think Joe's willingness to get weird would be a bonus for the Cubs here.
Quote from: SKO on September 13, 2017, 12:33:40 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 13, 2017, 11:31:52 AM
Shohei Otani is coming to MLB next year.
There's no way the Cubs get him, right?
Actually there's a fairly compelling argument they might. Otani is passing up hundreds of millions potentially by wanting to be posted right now vs waiting the 2 years when he'd qualify as an actual free agent and not be subject to the cap. So the argument there is he knows he's giving up millions, he just wants to pitch in MLB, and whatever team he signs with can sign him to a market value extension after a year or so. So knowing any team he signs with is gonna have to work out a mega-extension with him soon, he's likely to choose based more on winning and culture than the ability to pay him 10 mil vs 300 K right now, because he's going to get his big pay day down soon enough anyway. So I'd definitely consider the Dodgers and Cubs in it.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/how-to-sign-shohei-otani/
Quote from: Oleg on September 13, 2017, 01:10:26 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 13, 2017, 12:33:40 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 13, 2017, 11:31:52 AM
Shohei Otani is coming to MLB next year.
There's no way the Cubs get him, right?
Actually there's a fairly compelling argument they might. Otani is passing up hundreds of millions potentially by wanting to be posted right now vs waiting the 2 years when he'd qualify as an actual free agent and not be subject to the cap. So the argument there is he knows he's giving up millions, he just wants to pitch in MLB, and whatever team he signs with can sign him to a market value extension after a year or so. So knowing any team he signs with is gonna have to work out a mega-extension with him soon, he's likely to choose based more on winning and culture than the ability to pay him 10 mil vs 300 K right now, because he's going to get his big pay day down soon enough anyway. So I'd definitely consider the Dodgers and Cubs in it.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/how-to-sign-shohei-otani/
Yep. I'd put money that Otani will sign with the Cubs, Dodgers, Yankees, or Red Sox. He's gonna go wherever he has the best chance of winning and future earnings. The 300 K vs 10 mil teams can offer him right now isn't gonna make a difference.
Quote from: SKO on September 13, 2017, 12:45:40 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 13, 2017, 12:42:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 13, 2017, 12:33:40 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 13, 2017, 11:31:52 AM
Shohei Otani is coming to MLB next year.
There's no way the Cubs get him, right?
Actually there's a fairly compelling argument they might. Otani is passing up hundreds of millions potentially by wanting to be posted right now vs waiting the 2 years when he'd qualify as an actual free agent and not be subject to the cap. So the argument there is he knows he's giving up millions, he just wants to pitch in MLB, and whatever team he signs with can sign him to a market value extension after a year or so. So knowing any team he signs with is gonna have to work out a mega-extension with him soon, he's likely to choose based more on winning and culture than the ability to pay him 10 mil vs 300 K right now, because he's going to get his big pay day down soon enough anyway. So I'd definitely consider the Dodgers and Cubs in it.
What the Dodgers and Cubs can't offer though, is a chance to DH on non-pitching days.
Honestly I'm not sure how that plays. Most AL teams will have an actual designated DH and would be afraid to take the risk of giving up offense if Otani turns out to be just a good-hitting pitcher and not an actual good hitter. I think an NL team where he'd be allowed to bat for himself while pitching and then be a pinch hitter/outfield sub might be more appealing. I'd have to think Joe's willingness to get weird would be a bonus for the Cubs here.
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Quote from: SKO on September 13, 2017, 01:17:44 PM
Quote from: Oleg on September 13, 2017, 01:10:26 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 13, 2017, 12:33:40 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 13, 2017, 11:31:52 AM
Shohei Otani is coming to MLB next year.
There's no way the Cubs get him, right?
Actually there's a fairly compelling argument they might. Otani is passing up hundreds of millions potentially by wanting to be posted right now vs waiting the 2 years when he'd qualify as an actual free agent and not be subject to the cap. So the argument there is he knows he's giving up millions, he just wants to pitch in MLB, and whatever team he signs with can sign him to a market value extension after a year or so. So knowing any team he signs with is gonna have to work out a mega-extension with him soon, he's likely to choose based more on winning and culture than the ability to pay him 10 mil vs 300 K right now, because he's going to get his big pay day down soon enough anyway. So I'd definitely consider the Dodgers and Cubs in it.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/how-to-sign-shohei-otani/
Yep. I'd put money that Otani will sign with the Cubs, Dodgers, Yankees, or Red Sox. He's gonna go wherever he has the best chance of winning and future earnings. The 300 K vs 10 mil teams can offer him right now isn't gonna make a difference.
My sense is that he wants to play for a team that will let him play both ways. It's a crazy idea, one that probably wouldn't last, but I bet that'll be important to him. Even if the Cubs were crazy enough to allow for that, I don't know where they'd put him.
Quote from: Canadouche on September 14, 2017, 07:55:51 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 13, 2017, 01:17:44 PM
Quote from: Oleg on September 13, 2017, 01:10:26 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 13, 2017, 12:33:40 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 13, 2017, 11:31:52 AM
Shohei Otani is coming to MLB next year.
There's no way the Cubs get him, right?
Actually there's a fairly compelling argument they might. Otani is passing up hundreds of millions potentially by wanting to be posted right now vs waiting the 2 years when he'd qualify as an actual free agent and not be subject to the cap. So the argument there is he knows he's giving up millions, he just wants to pitch in MLB, and whatever team he signs with can sign him to a market value extension after a year or so. So knowing any team he signs with is gonna have to work out a mega-extension with him soon, he's likely to choose based more on winning and culture than the ability to pay him 10 mil vs 300 K right now, because he's going to get his big pay day down soon enough anyway. So I'd definitely consider the Dodgers and Cubs in it.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/how-to-sign-shohei-otani/
Yep. I'd put money that Otani will sign with the Cubs, Dodgers, Yankees, or Red Sox. He's gonna go wherever he has the best chance of winning and future earnings. The 300 K vs 10 mil teams can offer him right now isn't gonna make a difference.
My sense is that he wants to play for a team that will let him play both ways. It's a crazy idea, one that probably wouldn't last, but I bet that'll be important to him. Even if the Cubs were crazy enough to allow for that, I don't know where they'd put him.
He can play right field 4/5 days. They don't have anyone there.
Quote from: SKO on September 14, 2017, 08:08:36 AM
Quote from: Canadouche on September 14, 2017, 07:55:51 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 13, 2017, 01:17:44 PM
Quote from: Oleg on September 13, 2017, 01:10:26 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 13, 2017, 12:33:40 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on September 13, 2017, 11:31:52 AM
Shohei Otani is coming to MLB next year.
There's no way the Cubs get him, right?
Actually there's a fairly compelling argument they might. Otani is passing up hundreds of millions potentially by wanting to be posted right now vs waiting the 2 years when he'd qualify as an actual free agent and not be subject to the cap. So the argument there is he knows he's giving up millions, he just wants to pitch in MLB, and whatever team he signs with can sign him to a market value extension after a year or so. So knowing any team he signs with is gonna have to work out a mega-extension with him soon, he's likely to choose based more on winning and culture than the ability to pay him 10 mil vs 300 K right now, because he's going to get his big pay day down soon enough anyway. So I'd definitely consider the Dodgers and Cubs in it.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/how-to-sign-shohei-otani/
Yep. I'd put money that Otani will sign with the Cubs, Dodgers, Yankees, or Red Sox. He's gonna go wherever he has the best chance of winning and future earnings. The 300 K vs 10 mil teams can offer him right now isn't gonna make a difference.
My sense is that he wants to play for a team that will let him play both ways. It's a crazy idea, one that probably wouldn't last, but I bet that'll be important to him. Even if the Cubs were crazy enough to allow for that, I don't know where they'd put him.
He can play right field 4/5 days. They don't have anyone there.
/gif "Ed McMahon Hiyo"
Also shouldn't this be in some kind of offseason or Reasonable Free Agent Discussion thread. Nobody is trading for Shohei Otani. MODS!!!!
Quote from: SKO on September 14, 2017, 10:27:31 AM
Also shouldn't this be in some kind of offseason or Reasonable Free Agent Discussion thread. Nobody is trading for Shohei Otani. MODS!!!!
What
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Quote from: SKO on September 14, 2017, 10:27:31 AM
Also shouldn't this be in some kind of offseason or Reasonable Free Agent Discussion thread. Nobody is trading for Shohei Otani. MODS!!!!
What
These kinds of things never happened when I was the admin. Mostly because if you opened this thread a bunch of pr0n bots would destroy your computer.
Quote from: SKO on September 14, 2017, 02:34:21 PM
Quote from: CT III on September 14, 2017, 02:28:34 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 14, 2017, 10:27:31 AM
Also shouldn't this be in some kind of offseason or Reasonable Free Agent Discussion thread. Nobody is trading for Shohei Otani. MODS!!!!
What
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Quote from: SKO on September 14, 2017, 10:27:31 AM
Also shouldn't this be in some kind of offseason or Reasonable Free Agent Discussion thread. Nobody is trading for Shohei Otani. MODS!!!!
What
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Winner of "Faces I'd Like to Punch" contest.
In the offseason, I think the Cardinals will trade for Giancarlo Stanton and Tommy Pham will be part of the return.
Which will REALLY piss off Cardinals fans when they still lose to the Cubs.
Question: Is Addison Russell's remaining team control worth half a season of Manny Machado?
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2018, 10:45:11 AM
Question: Is Addison Russell's remaining team control worth half a season of Manny Machado?
For the Cubs or Orioles?
Anyway yes. In fact the Cubs would probably have to throw in adbert or something. And I'd be cool with it. Machado would make this lineup even better for a title run and they'd presumably get a chance to talk terms of an extension with him. If they don't win the Harper derby, Machado at SS would be a nice consolation prize.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2018, 10:45:11 AM
Question: Is Addison Russell's remaining team control worth half a season of Manny Machado?
Yes. The offense immediately becomes more dangerous, and the Cubs can start their sales pitch early.
Even if Machado winds up walking, Baez can play short and the Ian Happ Outfield Adventures can come to an end until Ademan's ready.
I've come around on this too, mostly because Russell continues to regress. This team is in win-now mode; he can go try to figure it out in Baltimore while Machado slides in at SS. GET IT DONE THEO
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2018, 11:20:35 AM
I've come around on this too, mostly because Russell continues to regress. This team is in win-now mode; he can go try to figure it out in Baltimore while Machado slides in at SS. GET IT DONE THEO
It's pretty simple:
Plan A) Machado Rental, Sign Harper:
2018: Contreras C, Rizzo 1B, Baez 2B, Machado SS, Bryant 3B, Schwarber LF, HappMora CF, HeyZo RF
2019: Contreras C, Rizzo 1B, Happ 2B, Baez SS, Bryant 3B, Schwarber LF, HeyMora CF, Harper RF
Plan B)Machado extension
See the 2018 lineup above.
Either way no one misses Addison Russell
Quote from: SKO on May 09, 2018, 11:39:03 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2018, 11:20:35 AM
I've come around on this too, mostly because Russell continues to regress. This team is in win-now mode; he can go try to figure it out in Baltimore while Machado slides in at SS. GET IT DONE THEO
It's pretty simple:
Plan A) Machado Rental, Sign Harper:
2018: Contreras C, Rizzo 1B, Baez 2B, Machado SS, Bryant 3B, Schwarber LF, HappMora CF, HeyZo RF
2019: Contreras C, Rizzo 1B, Happ 2B, Baez SS, Bryant 3B, Schwarber LF, HeyMora CF, Harper RF
Plan B)Machado extension
See the 2018 lineup above.
Either way no one misses Addison Russell
And the fact that he is *allegedly* a trash human being makes all of this a lot easier to take. David Bote, start shopping for the jewelry or fancy watch you're going to need to give up #13. IT'S GONNA HAI
Quote from: SKO on May 09, 2018, 11:39:03 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2018, 11:20:35 AM
I've come around on this too, mostly because Russell continues to regress. This team is in win-now mode; he can go try to figure it out in Baltimore while Machado slides in at SS. GET IT DONE THEO
It's pretty simple:
Plan A) Machado Rental, Sign Harper:
2018: Contreras C, Rizzo 1B, Baez 2B, Machado SS, Bryant 3B, Schwarber LF, HappMora CF, HeyZo RF
2019: Contreras C, Rizzo 1B, Happ 2B, Baez SS, Bryant 3B, Schwarber LF, HeyMora CF, Harper RF
Plan B)Machado extension
See the 2018 lineup above.
Either way no one misses Addison Russell
DPD. I vastly prefer these plans to Plan C: Joe hangs yet another "Try Not to Suck" shirt in Russell's locker every single morning.
Quote from: SKO on May 09, 2018, 11:39:03 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2018, 11:20:35 AM
I've come around on this too, mostly because Russell continues to regress. This team is in win-now mode; he can go try to figure it out in Baltimore while Machado slides in at SS. GET IT DONE THEO
It's pretty simple:
Plan A) Machado Rental, Sign Harper:
2018: Contreras C, Rizzo 1B, Baez 2B, Machado SS, Bryant 3B, Schwarber LF, HappMora CF, HeyZo RF
2019: Contreras C, Rizzo 1B, Happ 2B, Baez SS, Bryant 3B, Schwarber LF, HeyMora CF, Harper RF
Plan B)Machado extension
See the 2018 lineup above.
Either way no one misses Addison Russell
What is the story on Machado's defense at SS? I shockingly do not follow the Orioles too closely, so other than knowing that his glove played well at 3B the last few years, I'm not sure what the consensus is on Machado sticking at SS long-term.
Quote from: R-V on May 09, 2018, 02:36:07 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 09, 2018, 11:39:03 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on May 09, 2018, 11:20:35 AM
I've come around on this too, mostly because Russell continues to regress. This team is in win-now mode; he can go try to figure it out in Baltimore while Machado slides in at SS. GET IT DONE THEO
It's pretty simple:
Plan A) Machado Rental, Sign Harper:
2018: Contreras C, Rizzo 1B, Baez 2B, Machado SS, Bryant 3B, Schwarber LF, HappMora CF, HeyZo RF
2019: Contreras C, Rizzo 1B, Happ 2B, Baez SS, Bryant 3B, Schwarber LF, HeyMora CF, Harper RF
Plan B)Machado extension
See the 2018 lineup above.
Either way no one misses Addison Russell
What is the story on Machado's defense at SS? I shockingly do not follow the Orioles too closely, so other than knowing that his glove played well at 3B the last few years, I'm not sure what the consensus is on Machado sticking at SS long-term.
Fangraphs/BP/B-Ref all have him as below average there, but he looks more serviceable than, like, Theriot. Manny was -6.2 runs per FRAA per BP last year, Theriot in 2008 was -11.9. so he's probably more "meh but playable" with elite offense than "not really a shortstop."
It seems that Machado wouldn't be a stranger (https://670thescore.radio.com/albert-almora-jr-hopeful-childhood-friend-manny-machado-joins-cubs) to everyone in the Cubs' clubhouse.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 18, 2018, 09:22:35 AM
It seems that Machado wouldn't be a stranger (https://670thescore.radio.com/albert-almora-jr-hopeful-childhood-friend-manny-machado-joins-cubs) to everyone in the Cubs' clubhouse.
Really forked that link.
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Ah, gotcha. I went to his page and it all seemed to be about Chapman being a scumbag.
Quote"just bad asset management. traded a lottery ticket for a gas station cheeseburger"
I don't like the trade now that more details have come out, but that's a shit metaphor. The expected value of a lottery ticket is like $0.000000000001. Trading it for a gas station cheeseburger would be good asset management.
Yeah the amusing thing is I don't really like this trade. It is an overpay and I think Chapman's a douchebag. But from a baseball only standpoint it does increase their odds of winning it all this year however marginally and I don't think it's a horrendous overpay, just the kind that teams on the cusp of winning it all are prone to making.
I just am not surprised Trueblood managed to wade in with his Smartest Man in the Room smugness and have the worst take of all.
I was thinking it's a lot like the Snork/Hammel trade.
Elite SS Prospect + Billy McKinney + AAAA swingman + something/body else.
The A's got 1.5 years of Snork and a half season of Hammel.
The Cubs are getting a half season of Chapman and a lot of off-field baggage.
Seems like comparatively, the A's got the better deal since they got two SPs for the second half and could flip Snork's final year for other prospects afterward.
But ... 105.
I think it's possible we've overvalued Gleyber because he's been good for his age but his ceiling still actually seems to be merely "pretty good" and not "great." Freddy Sanchez at SS is the comp that stuck with me. That's a very useful player but it's not one that has a future as a Cub and it's also likely that our fantasy trade packages gave him more value than he actually has. Sahadev was one of a few guys I saw last night saying teams were more impressed with Happ/Eloy then Gleyber.
But again I don't doubt that it's an overpay, it's just one I'm comfortable with them making, or would be if Chapman was just a baseball player and not a wife beater. Hell I don't disagree with Beane making that trade back in 2014 either. Their second half collapse was pretty inexplicable and had little to do with that trade, and he then sold Snork before it was too late and got Semien out of it, and Semien has been nearly as valuable as Addison this year.
Gleyber Torres is really good at baseball. Maybe pitchers will adjust, and he'll slow down, but he's fucking good (.295/.351/.577 with 13 dongs in 172 PA as the youngest player in the AL).
And I have no complaint about the trade. As they say, flags fly forever.
So...Jesse's suggesting the Cubs send Happ, Montgomery and a couple prospects to the Mets for DeGrom.
Anybody got Jepstink's secretary on the phone?
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 19, 2018, 10:14:26 AM
So...Jesse's suggesting the Cubs send Happ, Montgomery and a couple prospects to the Mets for DeGrom.
Anybody got Jepstink's secretary on the phone?
I do wonder how much they would be willing to give up for DeGrom, let alone what the Mets would take. Maybe the conversation starts with Happ, Montgomery, Amaya + TBD?
DeGrom would be the gutsiest move they've ever made, more so than the Chapman and Quintana trades. He's the current ERA leader in the NL and immediately becomes their Game 1 starter for every playoff series. The pitching scares me for October, which of course means everyone is going to pitch like an ace and make me look stupid. But if they could at least pry Wheeler loose...