Jackson and Vitters are overmatched in Chicago, at least for now.
Baez, Soler and Almora are raking the ever loving shit out of A ball pitching.
Matt Szczur got moved up to AA, where he's still not showing good numbers, but they've been improving.
Dillon Maples is getting started in Arizona, and he's looking overpowering in a small sample size.
For those who actually get to see some of these guys in action, have at it.
Big Dan Vogelbach (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120811&content_id=36504558&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb). Nowhere to play on the Cubs, but he's awesome anyway.
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTd0hkpO3DGqVPEP6Kw8JW_fVV4-kqijAyS0v2B436x_I7T0GyPlduyaDtf)
Quote from: Eli on August 16, 2012, 08:11:00 AM
Big Dan Vogelbach (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120811&content_id=36504558&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb). Nowhere to play on the Cubs, but he's awesome anyway.
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTd0hkpO3DGqVPEP6Kw8JW_fVV4-kqijAyS0v2B436x_I7T0GyPlduyaDtf)
That dude makes Prince Fielder look like Juan Pierre.
Edit: which is awesome.
Quote from: Oleg on August 16, 2012, 08:18:19 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 16, 2012, 08:11:00 AM
Big Dan Vogelbach (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120811&content_id=36504558&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb). Nowhere to play on the Cubs, but he's awesome anyway.
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTd0hkpO3DGqVPEP6Kw8JW_fVV4-kqijAyS0v2B436x_I7T0GyPlduyaDtf)
That dude makes Prince Fielder look like Juan Pierre.
Edit: which is awesome.
He's lost over 40 pounds since being with the Cubs. He's probably around 250 now.
Fielder has to weigh over 300.
Quote from: BH on August 16, 2012, 08:27:57 AM
Quote from: Oleg on August 16, 2012, 08:18:19 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 16, 2012, 08:11:00 AM
Big Dan Vogelbach (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120811&content_id=36504558&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb). Nowhere to play on the Cubs, but he's awesome anyway.
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTd0hkpO3DGqVPEP6Kw8JW_fVV4-kqijAyS0v2B436x_I7T0GyPlduyaDtf)
That dude makes Prince Fielder look like Juan Pierre.
Edit: which is awesome.
He's lost over 40 pounds since being with the Cubs. He's probably around 250 now.
Fielder has to weigh over 300.
Don't fucking ruin this for me, tubby.
Quote from: Oleg on August 16, 2012, 08:33:42 AM
Quote from: BH on August 16, 2012, 08:27:57 AM
Quote from: Oleg on August 16, 2012, 08:18:19 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 16, 2012, 08:11:00 AM
Big Dan Vogelbach (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120811&content_id=36504558&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb). Nowhere to play on the Cubs, but he's awesome anyway.
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTd0hkpO3DGqVPEP6Kw8JW_fVV4-kqijAyS0v2B436x_I7T0GyPlduyaDtf)
That dude makes Prince Fielder look like Juan Pierre.
Edit: which is awesome.
He's lost over 40 pounds since being with the Cubs. He's probably around 250 now.
Fielder has to weigh over 300.
Don't fucking ruin this for me, tubby.
I think we all can agree that it would be nice for juan pierre to gain 200 pounds?
He could roll hamburgers down the left field foul line.
Quote from: Eli on August 16, 2012, 08:11:00 AM
Big Dan Vogelbach (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120811&content_id=36504558&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb). Nowhere to play on the Cubs, but he's awesome anyway.
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTd0hkpO3DGqVPEP6Kw8JW_fVV4-kqijAyS0v2B436x_I7T0GyPlduyaDtf)
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That kind of rounded profile is what he's looking for.
Nicely played, MiLB.com.
bump/DPD.
Javier Baez has a thumb fracture and was shut down (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-1030-cubs-bits--20121030,0,7372117.story). The most encouraging thing here is that he's starting to make the transition to third base.
Next season if you want to sport full Future Cub chub, go to a Kane County game. These guys are going to score a fuckload of runs.
Adding, Max Szczur (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-10-27/sports/ct-spt-1028-cubs-arizona-fall-league--20121028_1_matt-szczur-cubs-prospect-cubs-hope)!
Quote from: PANK! on October 30, 2012, 09:45:16 AM
Adding, Max Szczur (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-10-27/sports/ct-spt-1028-cubs-arizona-fall-league--20121028_1_matt-szczur-cubs-prospect-cubs-hope)!
Any relation to Matt?
Quote from: PANK! on October 30, 2012, 09:45:16 AM
Adding, Max Szczur (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-10-27/sports/ct-spt-1028-cubs-arizona-fall-league--20121028_1_matt-szczur-cubs-prospect-cubs-hope)!
He's like 40 and sucks.
Quote from: R-V on October 30, 2012, 10:20:59 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 30, 2012, 09:45:16 AM
Adding, Max Szczur (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-10-27/sports/ct-spt-1028-cubs-arizona-fall-league--20121028_1_matt-szczur-cubs-prospect-cubs-hope)!
Any relation to Matt?
DERP
Quote from: Slaky on October 30, 2012, 10:35:39 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 30, 2012, 09:45:16 AM
Adding, Max Szczur (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-10-27/sports/ct-spt-1028-cubs-arizona-fall-league--20121028_1_matt-szczur-cubs-prospect-cubs-hope)!
He's like 40 and sucks.
QuoteBut Szczur, 23, is using the AFL to regain his patience and batting eye slowly after batting .210 with a .285 on-base percentage in 35 games at Tennessee.
You're half-right.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 30, 2012, 11:30:01 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 30, 2012, 10:35:39 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 30, 2012, 09:45:16 AM
Adding, Max Szczur (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-10-27/sports/ct-spt-1028-cubs-arizona-fall-league--20121028_1_matt-szczur-cubs-prospect-cubs-hope)!
He's like 40 and sucks.
QuoteBut Szczur, 23, is using the AFL to regain his patience and batting eye slowly after batting .210 with a .285 on-base percentage in 35 games at Tennessee.
You're half-right.
23 year old who can't hit AA pitching? Oh cool - let me start sewing that flag so we can run his number up there in 15 years.
Quote from: Slaky on October 30, 2012, 11:35:15 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 30, 2012, 11:30:01 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 30, 2012, 10:35:39 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 30, 2012, 09:45:16 AM
Adding, Max Szczur (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-10-27/sports/ct-spt-1028-cubs-arizona-fall-league--20121028_1_matt-szczur-cubs-prospect-cubs-hope)!
He's like 40 and sucks.
QuoteBut Szczur, 23, is using the AFL to regain his patience and batting eye slowly after batting .210 with a .285 on-base percentage in 35 games at Tennessee.
You're half-right.
23 year old who can't hit AA pitching? Oh cool - let me start sewing that flag so we can run his number up there in 15 years.
I said you were half-right, meaning he sucks. If he were 23 and didn't suck he wouldn't be considered old.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 30, 2012, 11:40:57 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 30, 2012, 11:35:15 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 30, 2012, 11:30:01 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 30, 2012, 10:35:39 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 30, 2012, 09:45:16 AM
Adding, Max Szczur (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-10-27/sports/ct-spt-1028-cubs-arizona-fall-league--20121028_1_matt-szczur-cubs-prospect-cubs-hope)!
He's like 40 and sucks.
QuoteBut Szczur, 23, is using the AFL to regain his patience and batting eye slowly after batting .210 with a .285 on-base percentage in 35 games at Tennessee.
You're half-right.
23 year old who can't hit AA pitching? Oh cool - let me start sewing that flag so we can run his number up there in 15 years.
I said you were half-right, meaning he sucks. If he were 23 and didn't suck he wouldn't be considered old.
If the queen had balls.
Lots of bonerificism on Twitter over the Cubs signing Vandy coach Derek Johnson to be new minor league pitching coordinator.
We all just need to take a nap for 2 years and then wake up for the championship.
Quote from: PenPho on October 30, 2012, 11:48:42 AM
Lots of bonerificism on Twitter over the Cubs signing Vandy coach Derek Johnson to be new minor league pitching coordinator.
We all just need to take a nap for 2 years and then wake up for the championship.
Good hire. A lot of teams were after him. He's had 6 of his pitchers go in the first round.
Quote from: Fork on October 30, 2012, 11:56:02 AM
Quote from: PenPho on October 30, 2012, 11:48:42 AM
Lots of bonerificism on Twitter over the Cubs signing Vandy coach Derek Johnson to be new minor league pitching coordinator.
We all just need to take a nap for 2 years and then wake up for the championship.
Good hire. A lot of teams were after him. He's had 6 of his pitchers go in the first round.
And I bet every one of them has awful mechanics and awful, awful body language.
Quote from: Fork on October 30, 2012, 11:56:02 AM
Quote from: PenPho on October 30, 2012, 11:48:42 AM
Lots of bonerificism on Twitter over the Cubs signing Vandy coach Derek Johnson to be new minor league pitching coordinator.
We all just need to take a nap for 2 years and then wake up for the championship.
Good hire. A lot of teams were after him. He's had 6 of his pitchers go in the first round.
The key part is done. Now all we need is talent. Sweet sweet talent.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 30, 2012, 12:52:58 PM
Quote from: Fork on October 30, 2012, 11:56:02 AM
Quote from: PenPho on October 30, 2012, 11:48:42 AM
Lots of bonerificism on Twitter over the Cubs signing Vandy coach Derek Johnson to be new minor league pitching coordinator.
We all just need to take a nap for 2 years and then wake up for the championship.
Good hire. A lot of teams were after him. He's had 6 of his pitchers go in the first round.
And I bet every one of them has awful mechanics and awful, awful body language.
I saw the compliments from Keith Law and Pete Gammons. I'm not sure how they became Derek Johnson experts but I'm guessing they've just heard that a few teams want him so he must be the greatest coach of all time.
I'm glad he's with the Cubs but since I've never heard of the guy it would be pretty strange for me to assume he's going to end up some kind of miracle worker.
Maybe I'm still butthurt from the Rudy Jaramillo Era.
Quote from: Slaky on October 30, 2012, 01:24:08 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 30, 2012, 12:52:58 PM
Quote from: Fork on October 30, 2012, 11:56:02 AM
Quote from: PenPho on October 30, 2012, 11:48:42 AM
Lots of bonerificism on Twitter over the Cubs signing Vandy coach Derek Johnson to be new minor league pitching coordinator.
We all just need to take a nap for 2 years and then wake up for the championship.
Good hire. A lot of teams were after him. He's had 6 of his pitchers go in the first round.
And I bet every one of them has awful mechanics and awful, awful body language.
I saw the compliments from Keith Law and Pete Gammons. I'm not sure how they became Derek Johnson experts but I'm guessing they've just heard that a few teams want him so he must be the greatest coach of all time.
I'm glad he's with the Cubs but since I've never heard of the guy it would be pretty strange for me to assume he's going to end up some kind of miracle worker.
Maybe I'm still butthurt from the Rudy Jaramillo Era.
Or maybe you're just a huge negative doucheballoon that wants to throw a wet blanket on everything.
Quote from: PenPho on October 30, 2012, 02:25:42 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 30, 2012, 01:24:08 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 30, 2012, 12:52:58 PM
Quote from: Fork on October 30, 2012, 11:56:02 AM
Quote from: PenPho on October 30, 2012, 11:48:42 AM
Lots of bonerificism on Twitter over the Cubs signing Vandy coach Derek Johnson to be new minor league pitching coordinator.
We all just need to take a nap for 2 years and then wake up for the championship.
Good hire. A lot of teams were after him. He's had 6 of his pitchers go in the first round.
And I bet every one of them has awful mechanics and awful, awful body language.
I saw the compliments from Keith Law and Pete Gammons. I'm not sure how they became Derek Johnson experts but I'm guessing they've just heard that a few teams want him so he must be the greatest coach of all time.
I'm glad he's with the Cubs but since I've never heard of the guy it would be pretty strange for me to assume he's going to end up some kind of miracle worker.
Maybe I'm still butthurt from the Rudy Jaramillo Era.
Or maybe you're just a huge negative doucheballoon that wants to throw a wet blanket on everything.
Sorry. Max Zherxer is the best.
My boss' son pitched for Vanderbilt and is now in the Rays' minor league system. He thinks Johnson is an awesome coach and a really good get for the Cubs, so there's that.
I realize this info is worth next to nothing, but ... it was time to post.
Quote from: Fork on October 30, 2012, 11:56:02 AM
Quote from: PenPho on October 30, 2012, 11:48:42 AM
Lots of bonerificism on Twitter over the Cubs signing Vandy coach Derek Johnson to be new minor league pitching coordinator.
We all just need to take a nap for 2 years and then wake up for the championship.
Good hire. A lot of teams were after him. He's had 6 of his pitchers go in the first round.
I assume the Cubs now have the rights to David Price as well.
Quote from: Eli on October 30, 2012, 03:00:28 PM
My boss' son pitched for Vanderbilt and is now in the Rays' minor league system. He thinks Johnson is an awesome coach and a really good get for the Cubs, so there's that.
I realize this info is worth next to nothing, but ... it was time to post.
I was on the fence before I read this post.
Now that they've hired Derek Johnson and solidified the pitching prospects for the next 20 years, they've moved on (http://www.bleachernation.com/2012/11/02/cubs-hire-new-minor-league-hitting-coordinator-essentially-anthony-iapoce/) to ensuring that all new hitting prospects will turn into future Travis Sniders, J.P. Arencibias, Adam Linds, Brett Lawries?
Luckily, looks like he's outgrown his punchable face.
(http://www.bleachernation.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/anthony-iapoce.jpeg)
Now if you want to talk batting coaches and faces...
(http://www.milb.com/images/2012/09/05/xEDmH5lC.gif)
Buckner never should have shaved off his 'stache.
But look at the Boise Hawks' team line from 2012 (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=l_tba&lid=126&sid=t480).
Sploosh.
Quote from: Fork on November 02, 2012, 11:06:09 AM
Now if you want to talk batting coaches and faces...
(http://www.milb.com/images/2012/09/05/xEDmH5lC.gif)
Buckner never should have shaved off his 'stache.
But look at the Boise Hawks' team line from 2012 (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=l_tba&lid=126&sid=t480).
Sploosh.
He was excellent in Curb Your Enthusiasm.
Quote from: Slaky on November 02, 2012, 11:10:45 AM
Quote from: Fork on November 02, 2012, 11:06:09 AM
Now if you want to talk batting coaches and faces...
(http://www.milb.com/images/2012/09/05/xEDmH5lC.gif)
Buckner never should have shaved off his 'stache.
But look at the Boise Hawks' team line from 2012 (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=l_tba&lid=126&sid=t480).
Sploosh.
He was excellent in Curb Your Enthusiasm.
Because his moustache had all the good lines.
Baseball Prospectus ranks the top 10 Cubs Prospects.
(http://www.bleachernation.com/2012/11/07/baseball-prospectus-releases-2012-top-ten-cubs-prospects/)
Spoiler Alert: BONERTIME!
Edited for non pa-ywall link.
Quote from: PenPho on November 07, 2012, 02:51:37 PM
Baseball Prospectus ranks the top 10 Cubs Prospects.
(http://www.bleachernation.com/2012/11/07/baseball-prospectus-releases-2012-top-ten-cubs-prospects/)
Spoiler Alert: BONERTIME!
Edited for non pa-ywall link.
Vizcaino came from the Maholm/Johnson trade... so yay?
Quote from: PenPho on November 07, 2012, 02:51:37 PM
Baseball Prospectus ranks the top 10 Cubs Prospects.
(http://www.bleachernation.com/2012/11/07/baseball-prospectus-releases-2012-top-ten-cubs-prospects/)
Spoiler Alert: BONERTIME!
Edited for non pa-ywall link.
From a quick glance, six of those guys have been added in the last year.
Quote from: Eli on November 07, 2012, 03:03:55 PM
Quote from: PenPho on November 07, 2012, 02:51:37 PM
Baseball Prospectus ranks the top 10 Cubs Prospects.
(http://www.bleachernation.com/2012/11/07/baseball-prospectus-releases-2012-top-ten-cubs-prospects/)
Spoiler Alert: BONERTIME!
Edited for non pa-ywall link.
From a quick glance, six of those guys have been added in the last year.
Nice choice, Jim.
Quote from: PenPho on November 07, 2012, 02:51:37 PM
Baseball Prospectus ranks the top 10 Cubs Prospects.
(http://www.bleachernation.com/2012/11/07/baseball-prospectus-releases-2012-top-ten-cubs-prospects/)
Spoiler Alert: BONERTIME!
Edited for non pa-ywall link.
I'm assuming ROCK SHOULDERS didn't make that list because he's going to be on the list of Awesomest Players Of All Time as soon as he gets to the Majors.
DPD
One guy gives his ranking of the Cubs' top 20 prospects (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/12/2/3718190/chicago-cubs-top-20-prospects-for-2013?login=1355838963)
Baez, Almora and Soler are the top 3 overall, Vizcaino and Maples are the top 2 pitchers.
Quote from: Fork on December 18, 2012, 08:00:45 AM
DPD
One guy gives his ranking of the Cubs' top 20 prospects (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/12/2/3718190/chicago-cubs-top-20-prospects-for-2013?login=1355838963)
Baez, Almora and Soler are the top 3 overall, Vizcaino and Maples are the top 2 pitchers.
Prospects are exciting and all but if Javier Baez ends up producing like Gary Sheffield I'd be fucking shocked. That is a lofty goal.
Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2012, 10:10:09 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 18, 2012, 08:00:45 AM
DPD
One guy gives his ranking of the Cubs' top 20 prospects (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/12/2/3718190/chicago-cubs-top-20-prospects-for-2013?login=1355838963)
Baez, Almora and Soler are the top 3 overall, Vizcaino and Maples are the top 2 pitchers.
Prospects are exciting and all but if Javier Baez ends up producing like Gary Sheffield I'd be fucking shocked. That is a lofty goal.
I assume that he'll be batshit crazy like Gary, not that he'll actually play like Gary.
Quote from: BH on December 18, 2012, 10:12:22 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2012, 10:10:09 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 18, 2012, 08:00:45 AM
DPD
One guy gives his ranking of the Cubs' top 20 prospects (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/12/2/3718190/chicago-cubs-top-20-prospects-for-2013?login=1355838963)
Baez, Almora and Soler are the top 3 overall, Vizcaino and Maples are the top 2 pitchers.
Prospects are exciting and all but if Javier Baez ends up producing like Gary Sheffield I'd be fucking shocked. That is a lofty goal.
I assume that he'll be batshit crazy like Gary, not that he'll actually play like Gary.
I'm setting expectations to each of these guys will suck forever until they're traded at which point their awesomeness will unlock. That's how this all works, right?
I'd like to see the Cubs do what the Jays are doing right now. Hard not to love what they've done in such a short amount of time.
Quote from: BH on December 18, 2012, 10:12:22 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2012, 10:10:09 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 18, 2012, 08:00:45 AM
DPD
One guy gives his ranking of the Cubs' top 20 prospects (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/12/2/3718190/chicago-cubs-top-20-prospects-for-2013?login=1355838963)
Baez, Almora and Soler are the top 3 overall, Vizcaino and Maples are the top 2 pitchers.
Prospects are exciting and all but if Javier Baez ends up producing like Gary Sheffield I'd be fucking shocked. That is a lofty goal.
I assume that he'll be batshit crazy like Gary, not that he'll actually play like Gary.
I just he plays on Sheffield, in a city near Gary.
Quote from: Brownie on December 18, 2012, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from: BH on December 18, 2012, 10:12:22 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2012, 10:10:09 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 18, 2012, 08:00:45 AM
DPD
One guy gives his ranking of the Cubs' top 20 prospects (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/12/2/3718190/chicago-cubs-top-20-prospects-for-2013?login=1355838963)
Baez, Almora and Soler are the top 3 overall, Vizcaino and Maples are the top 2 pitchers.
Prospects are exciting and all but if Javier Baez ends up producing like Gary Sheffield I'd be fucking shocked. That is a lofty goal.
I assume that he'll be batshit crazy like Gary, not that he'll actually play like Gary.
I just he plays on Sheffield, in a city near Gary.
I just, too
Quote from: Brownie on December 18, 2012, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from: BH on December 18, 2012, 10:12:22 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2012, 10:10:09 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 18, 2012, 08:00:45 AM
DPD
One guy gives his ranking of the Cubs' top 20 prospects (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/12/2/3718190/chicago-cubs-top-20-prospects-for-2013?login=1355838963)
Baez, Almora and Soler are the top 3 overall, Vizcaino and Maples are the top 2 pitchers.
Prospects are exciting and all but if Javier Baez ends up producing like Gary Sheffield I'd be fucking shocked. That is a lofty goal.
I assume that he'll be batshit crazy like Gary, not that he'll actually play like Gary.
I just he plays on Sheffield, in a city near Gary.
Benton Harbor?
Quote from: CBStew on December 18, 2012, 01:20:36 PM
Quote from: Brownie on December 18, 2012, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from: BH on December 18, 2012, 10:12:22 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2012, 10:10:09 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 18, 2012, 08:00:45 AM
DPD
One guy gives his ranking of the Cubs' top 20 prospects (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/12/2/3718190/chicago-cubs-top-20-prospects-for-2013?login=1355838963)
Baez, Almora and Soler are the top 3 overall, Vizcaino and Maples are the top 2 pitchers.
Prospects are exciting and all but if Javier Baez ends up producing like Gary Sheffield I'd be fucking shocked. That is a lofty goal.
I assume that he'll be batshit crazy like Gary, not that he'll actually play like Gary.
I just he plays on Sheffield, in a city near Gary.
Benton Harbor?
I rode my bicycle from Chicago to Benton in Harbor in 2010.
/PankStory
Quote from: PANK! on December 18, 2012, 01:58:53 PM
Quote from: CBStew on December 18, 2012, 01:20:36 PM
Quote from: Brownie on December 18, 2012, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from: BH on December 18, 2012, 10:12:22 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2012, 10:10:09 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 18, 2012, 08:00:45 AM
DPD
One guy gives his ranking of the Cubs' top 20 prospects (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/12/2/3718190/chicago-cubs-top-20-prospects-for-2013?login=1355838963)
Baez, Almora and Soler are the top 3 overall, Vizcaino and Maples are the top 2 pitchers.
Prospects are exciting and all but if Javier Baez ends up producing like Gary Sheffield I'd be fucking shocked. That is a lofty goal.
I assume that he'll be batshit crazy like Gary, not that he'll actually play like Gary.
I just he plays on Sheffield, in a city near Gary.
Benton Harbor?
I rode my bicycle from Chicago to Benton in Harbor in 2010.
/PankStory
From Benton in Harbor or (Winthrop) Harbor in Benton (Twp.)?
Quote from: Brownie on December 18, 2012, 02:18:08 PM
Quote from: PANK! on December 18, 2012, 01:58:53 PM
Quote from: CBStew on December 18, 2012, 01:20:36 PM
Quote from: Brownie on December 18, 2012, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from: BH on December 18, 2012, 10:12:22 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2012, 10:10:09 AM
Quote from: Fork on December 18, 2012, 08:00:45 AM
DPD
One guy gives his ranking of the Cubs' top 20 prospects (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/12/2/3718190/chicago-cubs-top-20-prospects-for-2013?login=1355838963)
Baez, Almora and Soler are the top 3 overall, Vizcaino and Maples are the top 2 pitchers.
Prospects are exciting and all but if Javier Baez ends up producing like Gary Sheffield I'd be fucking shocked. That is a lofty goal.
I assume that he'll be batshit crazy like Gary, not that he'll actually play like Gary.
I just he plays on Sheffield, in a city near Gary.
Benton Harbor?
I rode my bicycle from Chicago to Benton in Harbor in 2010.
/PankStory
From Benton in Harbor or (Winthrop) Harbor in Benton (Twp.)?
Benton-upon-Harbour.
This (http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2013/02/scouting-reports-and-video-on-rhps-erick-leal-and-jesus-castillo.php) is what we got for THE GREAT TONY CAMPANA.
Quote from: Fork on February 19, 2013, 08:23:15 AM
This (http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2013/02/scouting-reports-and-video-on-rhps-erick-leal-and-jesus-castillo.php) is what we got for THE GREAT TONY CAMPANA.
THIS (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlN3oEjMpUQ) is all you need to know, Fork. Those dummies from Boston are screwing our Cubs. Seventeen year-old prospects? They might not be in the big leagues until Obama's second term is over... And they'd be long in the tooth at 21. Campana will have broken all of Lou Brock and Rickey Henderson's records by then!
Nice choice (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130330&content_id=43539600¬ebook_id=43557910&vkey=notebook_chc&c_id=chc), Jim.
QuoteFormer first-round Draft pick Hayden Simpson [was] released on Saturday.
The Cubs selected the right-handed Simpson with the 16th overall pick in the 2010 First-Year Player Draft out of Southern Arkansas University, but he never found his footing. Mononucleosis prevented Simpson from making his pro debut that year, and he suffered from a loss of velocity.
Simpson, who turns 24 on May 20, made 30 starts in 56 Minor League appearances from '11-'12, getting as far as High Class A Daytona last year. Overall, he went 5-17 with a 6.42 ERA, 120 strikeouts and 89 walks in 161 1/3 innings. He posted an ERA of 5.72 or higher at each level along the way.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 31, 2013, 01:42:23 PM
Nice choice (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130330&content_id=43539600¬ebook_id=43557910&vkey=notebook_chc&c_id=chc), Jim.
QuoteFormer first-round Draft pick Hayden Simpson [was] released on Saturday.
The Cubs selected the right-handed Simpson with the 16th overall pick in the 2010 First-Year Player Draft out of Southern Arkansas University, but he never found his footing. Mononucleosis prevented Simpson from making his pro debut that year, and he suffered from a loss of velocity.
Simpson, who turns 24 on May 20, made 30 starts in 56 Minor League appearances from '11-'12, getting as far as High Class A Daytona last year. Overall, he went 5-17 with a 6.42 ERA, 120 strikeouts and 89 walks in 161 1/3 innings. He posted an ERA of 5.72 or higher at each level along the way.
Mono kept him off the Cubs, much like the crabs kept TDubbs from making the team.
Fire and pashion
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/9158972/chicago-cubs-prospect-jorge-soler-tossed-bat-wielding-incident
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on April 11, 2013, 04:48:19 AM
Fire and pashion
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/9158972/chicago-cubs-prospect-jorge-soler-tossed-bat-wielding-incident
Sounds like he never actually hit anything with the bat, so that's ... something. Better than the initial reports, at least.
Quote from: Eli on April 11, 2013, 08:02:47 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on April 11, 2013, 04:48:19 AM
Fire and pashion
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/9158972/chicago-cubs-prospect-jorge-soler-tossed-bat-wielding-incident
Sounds like he never actually hit anything with the bat, so that's ... something. Better than the initial reports, at least.
I wonder if there were Dominican and/or Puerto Rican opponents slurring his Cuban nationality. It's hard to imagine anybody said anything to him in English to make him that mad. This could be very interesting to follow.
Quote from: Eli on April 11, 2013, 08:02:47 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on April 11, 2013, 04:48:19 AM
Fire and pashion
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/9158972/chicago-cubs-prospect-jorge-soler-tossed-bat-wielding-incident
Sounds like he never actually hit anything with the bat, so that's ... something. Better than the initial reports, at least.
I'm more intrigued at the thought of a 14-9 extra inning game. They've got some serious gas cans down there.
Quote from: Fork on April 11, 2013, 09:39:18 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 11, 2013, 08:02:47 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on April 11, 2013, 04:48:19 AM
Fire and pashion
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/9158972/chicago-cubs-prospect-jorge-soler-tossed-bat-wielding-incident
Sounds like he never actually hit anything with the bat, so that's ... something. Better than the initial reports, at least.
I'm more intrigued at the thought of a 14-9 extra inning game. They've got some serious gas cans down there.
6'4" and 215 pounds. Why did he need a baseball bat?
Quote from: CBStew on April 11, 2013, 09:51:00 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 11, 2013, 09:39:18 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 11, 2013, 08:02:47 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on April 11, 2013, 04:48:19 AM
Fire and pashion
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/9158972/chicago-cubs-prospect-jorge-soler-tossed-bat-wielding-incident
Sounds like he never actually hit anything with the bat, so that's ... something. Better than the initial reports, at least.
I'm more intrigued at the thought of a 14-9 extra inning game. They've got some serious gas cans down there.
6'4" and 215 pounds. Why did he need a baseball bat?
Looking at his numbers, his bat doesn't miss too much.
Quote from: CBStew on April 11, 2013, 09:51:00 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 11, 2013, 09:39:18 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 11, 2013, 08:02:47 AM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on April 11, 2013, 04:48:19 AM
Fire and pashion
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/9158972/chicago-cubs-prospect-jorge-soler-tossed-bat-wielding-incident
Sounds like he never actually hit anything with the bat, so that's ... something. Better than the initial reports, at least.
I'm more intrigued at the thought of a 14-9 extra inning game. They've got some serious gas cans down there.
6'4" and 215 pounds. Why did he need a baseball bat?
He was challenging the entire team.
https://twitter.com/AndrewCieslak/status/322162680733511680
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 30, 2012, 11:40:57 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 30, 2012, 11:35:15 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 30, 2012, 11:30:01 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 30, 2012, 10:35:39 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 30, 2012, 09:45:16 AM
Adding, Max Szczur (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-10-27/sports/ct-spt-1028-cubs-arizona-fall-league--20121028_1_matt-szczur-cubs-prospect-cubs-hope)!
He's like 40 and sucks.
QuoteBut Szczur, 23, is using the AFL to regain his patience and batting eye slowly after batting .210 with a .285 on-base percentage in 35 games at Tennessee.
You're half-right.
23 year old who can't hit AA pitching? Oh cool - let me start sewing that flag so we can run his number up there in 15 years.
I said you were half-right, meaning he sucks. If he were 23 and didn't suck he wouldn't be considered old.
He's still 23, and has figured out AA pitching in the early going this year.
On the topic of AA pitching, if former Northwestern Wildcat Eric Jokisch keeps up his pwnage of the Southern League, he'll be in Iowa after the break.
Quote from: Fork on April 24, 2013, 11:21:20 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 30, 2012, 11:40:57 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 30, 2012, 11:35:15 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 30, 2012, 11:30:01 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 30, 2012, 10:35:39 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 30, 2012, 09:45:16 AM
Adding, Max Szczur (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-10-27/sports/ct-spt-1028-cubs-arizona-fall-league--20121028_1_matt-szczur-cubs-prospect-cubs-hope)!
He's like 40 and sucks.
QuoteBut Szczur, 23, is using the AFL to regain his patience and batting eye slowly after batting .210 with a .285 on-base percentage in 35 games at Tennessee.
You're half-right.
23 year old who can't hit AA pitching? Oh cool - let me start sewing that flag so we can run his number up there in 15 years.
I said you were half-right, meaning he sucks. If he were 23 and didn't suck he wouldn't be considered old.
He's still 23, and has figured out AA pitching in the early going this year.
On the topic of AA pitching, if former Northwestern Wildcat Eric Jokisch keeps up his pwnage of the Southern League, he'll be in Iowa after the break.
With J.A. Happ in Toronto's rotation and George Kontos in the World Champions' bullpen, these truly might turn out to be halcyon days for Northwestern's less-than-mediocre baseball program. Perhaps the follow-up to the Joe Girardi and Mark Loretta Eras. Exciting times.
Here's a dumb question as I drool over Justin Upton's numbers this year: is there any chance in hell the Cubs could've matched the package the Braves sent over?
Full disclosure: looking forward to the moment when Huey is reminded that one of the centerpieces of the trade was Randall Delgado, Cub-to-be until Dempster wisely put the kibosh on it.
Quote from: R-V on April 25, 2013, 09:18:25 AM
Here's a dumb question as I drool over Justin Upton's numbers this year: is there any chance in hell the Cubs could've matched the package the Braves sent over?
Full disclosure: looking forward to the moment when Huey is reminded that one of the centerpieces of the trade was Randall Delgado, Cub-to-be until Dempster wisely put the kibosh on it.
http://www.overthemonster.com/2013/1/24/3912312/justin-upton-trade-boston-red-sox-arizona-diamondbacks-atlanta-braves
QuoteUpton reiterated this week that the Diamondbacks were wasting their time talking to the four teams on his recently submitted no-trade list. He was not willing to play for Seattle, the Toronto Blue Jays, Boston Red Sox or Chicago Cubs. The Diamondbacks believed the list was a negotiating ploy, but Upton told them it wasn't about the money. He did not want to play for those franchises.
Quote from: Yeti on April 25, 2013, 10:03:11 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 25, 2013, 09:18:25 AM
Here's a dumb question as I drool over Justin Upton's numbers this year: is there any chance in hell the Cubs could've matched the package the Braves sent over?
Full disclosure: looking forward to the moment when Huey is reminded that one of the centerpieces of the trade was Randall Delgado, Cub-to-be until Dempster wisely put the kibosh on it.
http://www.overthemonster.com/2013/1/24/3912312/justin-upton-trade-boston-red-sox-arizona-diamondbacks-atlanta-braves
QuoteUpton reiterated this week that the Diamondbacks were wasting their time talking to the four teams on his recently submitted no-trade list. He was not willing to play for Seattle, the Toronto Blue Jays, Boston Red Sox or Chicago Cubs. The Diamondbacks believed the list was a negotiating ploy, but Upton told them it wasn't about the money. He did not want to play for those franchises.
Ah, forgot about that. Screw that asshole and his 85 HR pace and his illogical no-trade list.
Quote from: R-V on April 25, 2013, 10:44:06 AM
Quote from: Yeti on April 25, 2013, 10:03:11 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 25, 2013, 09:18:25 AM
Here's a dumb question as I drool over Justin Upton's numbers this year: is there any chance in hell the Cubs could've matched the package the Braves sent over?
Full disclosure: looking forward to the moment when Huey is reminded that one of the centerpieces of the trade was Randall Delgado, Cub-to-be until Dempster wisely put the kibosh on it.
http://www.overthemonster.com/2013/1/24/3912312/justin-upton-trade-boston-red-sox-arizona-diamondbacks-atlanta-braves
QuoteUpton reiterated this week that the Diamondbacks were wasting their time talking to the four teams on his recently submitted no-trade list. He was not willing to play for Seattle, the Toronto Blue Jays, Boston Red Sox or Chicago Cubs. The Diamondbacks believed the list was a negotiating ploy, but Upton told them it wasn't about the money. He did not want to play for those franchises.
Ah, forgot about that. Screw that asshole and his 85 HR pace and his illogical no-trade list.
What's illogical about not wanting play in front of a bunch of racists?
Quote from: CT III on April 25, 2013, 12:26:48 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 25, 2013, 10:44:06 AM
Quote from: Yeti on April 25, 2013, 10:03:11 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 25, 2013, 09:18:25 AM
Here's a dumb question as I drool over Justin Upton's numbers this year: is there any chance in hell the Cubs could've matched the package the Braves sent over?
Full disclosure: looking forward to the moment when Huey is reminded that one of the centerpieces of the trade was Randall Delgado, Cub-to-be until Dempster wisely put the kibosh on it.
http://www.overthemonster.com/2013/1/24/3912312/justin-upton-trade-boston-red-sox-arizona-diamondbacks-atlanta-braves
QuoteUpton reiterated this week that the Diamondbacks were wasting their time talking to the four teams on his recently submitted no-trade list. He was not willing to play for Seattle, the Toronto Blue Jays, Boston Red Sox or Chicago Cubs. The Diamondbacks believed the list was a negotiating ploy, but Upton told them it wasn't about the money. He did not want to play for those franchises.
Ah, forgot about that. Screw that asshole and his 85 HR pace and his illogical no-trade list.
What's illogical about not wanting play in front of a bunch of racists?
You mean baseball fans?
Quote from: Slaky on April 25, 2013, 12:54:23 PM
Quote from: CT III on April 25, 2013, 12:26:48 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 25, 2013, 10:44:06 AM
Quote from: Yeti on April 25, 2013, 10:03:11 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 25, 2013, 09:18:25 AM
Here's a dumb question as I drool over Justin Upton's numbers this year: is there any chance in hell the Cubs could've matched the package the Braves sent over?
Full disclosure: looking forward to the moment when Huey is reminded that one of the centerpieces of the trade was Randall Delgado, Cub-to-be until Dempster wisely put the kibosh on it.
http://www.overthemonster.com/2013/1/24/3912312/justin-upton-trade-boston-red-sox-arizona-diamondbacks-atlanta-braves
QuoteUpton reiterated this week that the Diamondbacks were wasting their time talking to the four teams on his recently submitted no-trade list. He was not willing to play for Seattle, the Toronto Blue Jays, Boston Red Sox or Chicago Cubs. The Diamondbacks believed the list was a negotiating ploy, but Upton told them it wasn't about the money. He did not want to play for those franchises.
Ah, forgot about that. Screw that asshole and his 85 HR pace and his illogical no-trade list.
What's illogical about not wanting play in front of a bunch of racists?
You mean baseball fans?
Potato, potahto...
EDIT: I love the fact that Huey's RSS feed just went off.
Quote from: Fork on April 24, 2013, 11:21:20 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 30, 2012, 11:40:57 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 30, 2012, 11:35:15 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 30, 2012, 11:30:01 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 30, 2012, 10:35:39 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 30, 2012, 09:45:16 AM
Adding, Max Szczur (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-10-27/sports/ct-spt-1028-cubs-arizona-fall-league--20121028_1_matt-szczur-cubs-prospect-cubs-hope)!
He's like 40 and sucks.
QuoteBut Szczur, 23, is using the AFL to regain his patience and batting eye slowly after batting .210 with a .285 on-base percentage in 35 games at Tennessee.
You're half-right.
23 year old who can't hit AA pitching? Oh cool - let me start sewing that flag so we can run his number up there in 15 years.
I said you were half-right, meaning he sucks. If he were 23 and didn't suck he wouldn't be considered old.
He's still 23, and has figured out AA pitching in the early going this year.
On the topic of AA pitching, if former Northwestern Wildcat Eric Jokisch keeps up his pwnage of the Southern League, he'll be in Iowa after the break.
Getting a semi (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130503&content_id=46490302&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_t553&sid=t553)...
Probably Appel.
Maybe Gray.
Definitely Appel or Gray.
Except maybe Bryant.
Could be Bryant.
But definitely Appel. (http://www.bleachernation.com/2013/05/16/cubs-draft-notes-more-confidence-that-cubs-will-take-a-pitcher-but-bryant-looking-more-intriguing/)
Quote from: PenFoe on May 16, 2013, 01:41:01 PM
Probably Appel.
Maybe Gray.
Definitely Appel or Gray.
Except maybe Bryant.
Could be Bryant.
But definitely Appel. (http://www.bleachernation.com/2013/05/16/cubs-draft-notes-more-confidence-that-cubs-will-take-a-pitcher-but-bryant-looking-more-intriguing/)
It's looking more like whichever of Appel or Gray the Astros don't take.
Quote from: Fork on May 23, 2013, 08:57:05 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 16, 2013, 01:41:01 PM
Probably Appel.
Maybe Gray.
Definitely Appel or Gray.
Except maybe Bryant.
Could be Bryant.
But definitely Appel. (http://www.bleachernation.com/2013/05/16/cubs-draft-notes-more-confidence-that-cubs-will-take-a-pitcher-but-bryant-looking-more-intriguing/)
It's looking more like whichever of Appel or Gray the Astros don't take.
Unless it's Bryant.
Or unless the Astros take Bryant.
Let's see how it plays out.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2013, 10:18:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on May 23, 2013, 08:57:05 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 16, 2013, 01:41:01 PM
Probably Appel.
Maybe Gray.
Definitely Appel or Gray.
Except maybe Bryant.
Could be Bryant.
But definitely Appel. (http://www.bleachernation.com/2013/05/16/cubs-draft-notes-more-confidence-that-cubs-will-take-a-pitcher-but-bryant-looking-more-intriguing/)
It's looking more like whichever of Appel or Gray the Astros don't take.
Unless it's Bryant.
Or unless the Astros take Bryant.
Let's see how it plays out.
I'm feeling like the Cubs will get Appel or Bryant. Astros will probably go with someone who will sign under slot, which won't be Appel. That'd leave the Cubs to grab him, or Bryant if he's still there and they like his bat enough.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2013, 10:18:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on May 23, 2013, 08:57:05 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 16, 2013, 01:41:01 PM
Probably Appel.
Maybe Gray.
Definitely Appel or Gray.
Except maybe Bryant.
Could be Bryant.
But definitely Appel. (http://www.bleachernation.com/2013/05/16/cubs-draft-notes-more-confidence-that-cubs-will-take-a-pitcher-but-bryant-looking-more-intriguing/)
It's looking more like whichever of Appel or Gray the Astros don't take.
Unless it's Bryant.
Or unless the Astros take Bryant.
Let's see how it plays out.
If the Astros didn't take either Appel or Gray, it's because they took Stewart.
Quote from: Eli on May 23, 2013, 10:31:43 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2013, 10:18:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on May 23, 2013, 08:57:05 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 16, 2013, 01:41:01 PM
Probably Appel.
Maybe Gray.
Definitely Appel or Gray.
Except maybe Bryant.
Could be Bryant.
But definitely Appel. (http://www.bleachernation.com/2013/05/16/cubs-draft-notes-more-confidence-that-cubs-will-take-a-pitcher-but-bryant-looking-more-intriguing/)
It's looking more like whichever of Appel or Gray the Astros don't take.
Unless it's Bryant.
Or unless the Astros take Bryant.
Let's see how it plays out.
I'm feeling like the Cubs will get Appel or Bryant. Astros will probably go with someone who will sign under slot, which won't be Appel. That'd leave the Cubs to grab him, or Bryant if he's still there and they like his bat enough.
Kohl Stewart's a HS power pitcher from Texas. He might sneak in there for Houston.
Quote from: Fork on May 23, 2013, 10:42:49 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2013, 10:18:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on May 23, 2013, 08:57:05 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 16, 2013, 01:41:01 PM
Probably Appel.
Maybe Gray.
Definitely Appel or Gray.
Except maybe Bryant.
Could be Bryant.
But definitely Appel. (http://www.bleachernation.com/2013/05/16/cubs-draft-notes-more-confidence-that-cubs-will-take-a-pitcher-but-bryant-looking-more-intriguing/)
It's looking more like whichever of Appel or Gray the Astros don't take.
Unless it's Bryant.
Or unless the Astros take Bryant.
Let's see how it plays out.
If the Astros didn't take either Appel or Gray, it's because they took Stewart.
Ok... So we've whittled it down to Appel or Gray, possibly Bryant.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2013, 10:46:51 AM
Quote from: Fork on May 23, 2013, 10:42:49 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2013, 10:18:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on May 23, 2013, 08:57:05 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 16, 2013, 01:41:01 PM
Probably Appel.
Maybe Gray.
Definitely Appel or Gray.
Except maybe Bryant.
Could be Bryant.
But definitely Appel. (http://www.bleachernation.com/2013/05/16/cubs-draft-notes-more-confidence-that-cubs-will-take-a-pitcher-but-bryant-looking-more-intriguing/)
It's looking more like whichever of Appel or Gray the Astros don't take.
Unless it's Bryant.
Or unless the Astros take Bryant.
Let's see how it plays out.
If the Astros didn't take either Appel or Gray, it's because they took Stewart.
Ok... So we've whittled it down to Appel or Gray, possibly Bryant.
what about all three?
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2013, 10:46:51 AM
Quote from: Fork on May 23, 2013, 10:42:49 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2013, 10:18:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on May 23, 2013, 08:57:05 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 16, 2013, 01:41:01 PM
Probably Appel.
Maybe Gray.
Definitely Appel or Gray.
Except maybe Bryant.
Could be Bryant.
But definitely Appel. (http://www.bleachernation.com/2013/05/16/cubs-draft-notes-more-confidence-that-cubs-will-take-a-pitcher-but-bryant-looking-more-intriguing/)
It's looking more like whichever of Appel or Gray the Astros don't take.
Unless it's Bryant.
Or unless the Astros take Bryant.
Let's see how it plays out.
If the Astros didn't take either Appel or Gray, it's because they took Stewart.
Ok... So we've whittled it down to Appel or Gray, possibly Bryant.
Why don't we just trade the pick for Dempster?
Quote from: R-V on May 23, 2013, 11:57:40 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2013, 10:46:51 AM
Quote from: Fork on May 23, 2013, 10:42:49 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2013, 10:18:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on May 23, 2013, 08:57:05 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 16, 2013, 01:41:01 PM
Probably Appel.
Maybe Gray.
Definitely Appel or Gray.
Except maybe Bryant.
Could be Bryant.
But definitely Appel. (http://www.bleachernation.com/2013/05/16/cubs-draft-notes-more-confidence-that-cubs-will-take-a-pitcher-but-bryant-looking-more-intriguing/)
It's looking more like whichever of Appel or Gray the Astros don't take.
Unless it's Bryant.
Or unless the Astros take Bryant.
Let's see how it plays out.
If the Astros didn't take either Appel or Gray, it's because they took Stewart.
Ok... So we've whittled it down to Appel or Gray, possibly Bryant.
Why don't we just trade the pick for Dempster?
Why not just do the Angelo and trade down for a couple third-rounders that will be used on safeties that either can't cover or can't tackle?
It looks like the Cubs won't be able to draft the guy the Astros draft.
Quote from: Slaky on May 23, 2013, 12:08:12 PM
It looks like the Cubs won't be able to draft the guy the Astros draft.
What's clear is that Appel, Gray and Bryant will all be available when Houston picks. And, should Houston choose one of those three, only two of them will then be available for the Cubs.
That's where things get a bit more complicated...
If the Astros pick Appel first, of the three mentioned above only Gray and Bryant will remain for the Cubs to pick from.
If, on the other hand, Houston goes with Gray, only Appel and Bryant will be left.
It's also possible, however, (though the consensus seems to be that it's probably less likely) that the Astros will go with Bryant with their pick, or even someone else entirely.
In that case, the Cubs would most likely be picking between Appel and Gray (and possibly Bryant, if the Astros didn't pick him).
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2013, 12:56:30 PM
Quote from: Slaky on May 23, 2013, 12:08:12 PM
It looks like the Cubs won't be able to draft the guy the Astros draft.
What's clear is that Appel, Gray and Bryant will all be available when Houston picks. And, should Houston choose one of those three, only two of them will then be available for the Cubs.
That's where things get a bit more complicated...
If the Astros pick Appel first, of the three mentioned above only Gray and Bryant will remain for the Cubs to pick from.
If, on the other hand, Houston goes with Gray, only Appel and Bryant will be left.
It's also possible, however, (though the consensus seems to be that it's probably less likely) that the Astros will go with Bryant with their pick, or even someone else entirely.
In that case, the Cubs would most likely be picking between Appel and Gray (and possibly Bryant, if the Astros didn't pick him).
Come on now, quit pasting analysis from BCB.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2013, 12:56:30 PM
Quote from: Slaky on May 23, 2013, 12:08:12 PM
It looks like the Cubs won't be able to draft the guy the Astros draft.
What's clear is that Appel, Gray and Bryant will all be available when Houston picks. And, should Houston choose one of those three, only two of them will then be available for the Cubs.
That's where things get a bit more complicated...
If the Astros pick Appel first, of the three mentioned above only Gray and Bryant will remain for the Cubs to pick from.
If, on the other hand, Houston goes with Gray, only Appel and Bryant will be left.
It's also possible, however, (though the consensus seems to be that it's probably less likely) that the Astros will go with Bryant with their pick, or even someone else entirely.
In that case, the Cubs would most likely be picking between Appel and Gray (and possibly Bryant, if the Astros didn't pick him).
You forgot that the Astros (who are located in Texas) could pick a high-school pitcher from Texas (which is in Texas), because that's often how major-league teams make decisions.
They could also take a
different player than any of the ones previously mentioned. This would leave the Cubs a different list of available players to select.
This is a developing story, so stay tuned for further analysis of these scenarios.
Who owns the Cubs?
Quote from: Eli on May 23, 2013, 01:06:34 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2013, 12:56:30 PM
Quote from: Slaky on May 23, 2013, 12:08:12 PM
It looks like the Cubs won't be able to draft the guy the Astros draft.
What's clear is that Appel, Gray and Bryant will all be available when Houston picks. And, should Houston choose one of those three, only two of them will then be available for the Cubs.
That's where things get a bit more complicated...
If the Astros pick Appel first, of the three mentioned above only Gray and Bryant will remain for the Cubs to pick from.
If, on the other hand, Houston goes with Gray, only Appel and Bryant will be left.
It's also possible, however, (though the consensus seems to be that it's probably less likely) that the Astros will go with Bryant with their pick, or even someone else entirely.
In that case, the Cubs would most likely be picking between Appel and Gray (and possibly Bryant, if the Astros didn't pick him).
You forgot that the Astros (who are located in Texas) could pick a high-school pitcher from Texas (which is in Texas), because that's often how major-league teams make decisions.
They could also take a different player than any of the ones previously mentioned. This would leave the Cubs a different list of available players to select.
This is a developing story, so stay tuned for further analysis of these scenarios.
The Cubs could also "think outside the box" and select a player who is not a player of whom we have previously heard about at a prior time.
Quote from: Eli on May 23, 2013, 01:06:34 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2013, 12:56:30 PM
Quote from: Slaky on May 23, 2013, 12:08:12 PM
It looks like the Cubs won't be able to draft the guy the Astros draft.
What's clear is that Appel, Gray and Bryant will all be available when Houston picks. And, should Houston choose one of those three, only two of them will then be available for the Cubs.
That's where things get a bit more complicated...
If the Astros pick Appel first, of the three mentioned above only Gray and Bryant will remain for the Cubs to pick from.
If, on the other hand, Houston goes with Gray, only Appel and Bryant will be left.
It's also possible, however, (though the consensus seems to be that it's probably less likely) that the Astros will go with Bryant with their pick, or even someone else entirely.
In that case, the Cubs would most likely be picking between Appel and Gray (and possibly Bryant, if the Astros didn't pick him).
You forgot that the Astros (who are located in Texas) could pick a high-school pitcher from Texas (which is in Texas), because that's often how major-league teams make decisions.
They could also take a different player than any of the ones previously mentioned. This would leave the Cubs a different list of available players to select.
This is a developing story, so stay tuned for further analysis of these scenarios.
What happens if the phone lines to the Cubs front office are cut the day of the draft and all of their cell phone batteries run out and their legs fall off? That could have an impact on the draft.
Quote from: R-V on May 23, 2013, 01:16:44 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 23, 2013, 01:06:34 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2013, 12:56:30 PM
Quote from: Slaky on May 23, 2013, 12:08:12 PM
It looks like the Cubs won't be able to draft the guy the Astros draft.
What's clear is that Appel, Gray and Bryant will all be available when Houston picks. And, should Houston choose one of those three, only two of them will then be available for the Cubs.
That's where things get a bit more complicated...
If the Astros pick Appel first, of the three mentioned above only Gray and Bryant will remain for the Cubs to pick from.
If, on the other hand, Houston goes with Gray, only Appel and Bryant will be left.
It's also possible, however, (though the consensus seems to be that it's probably less likely) that the Astros will go with Bryant with their pick, or even someone else entirely.
In that case, the Cubs would most likely be picking between Appel and Gray (and possibly Bryant, if the Astros didn't pick him).
You forgot that the Astros (who are located in Texas) could pick a high-school pitcher from Texas (which is in Texas), because that's often how major-league teams make decisions.
They could also take a different player than any of the ones previously mentioned. This would leave the Cubs a different list of available players to select.
This is a developing story, so stay tuned for further analysis of these scenarios.
What happens if the phone lines to the Cubs front office are cut the day of the draft and all of their cell phone batteries run out and their legs fall off? That could have an impact on the draft.
Those kinds of scenarios are exactly why Theo wrote "The Cubs Way."
Quote from: Eli on May 23, 2013, 01:29:14 PM
Quote from: R-V on May 23, 2013, 01:16:44 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 23, 2013, 01:06:34 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2013, 12:56:30 PM
Quote from: Slaky on May 23, 2013, 12:08:12 PM
It looks like the Cubs won't be able to draft the guy the Astros draft.
What's clear is that Appel, Gray and Bryant will all be available when Houston picks. And, should Houston choose one of those three, only two of them will then be available for the Cubs.
That's where things get a bit more complicated...
If the Astros pick Appel first, of the three mentioned above only Gray and Bryant will remain for the Cubs to pick from.
If, on the other hand, Houston goes with Gray, only Appel and Bryant will be left.
It's also possible, however, (though the consensus seems to be that it's probably less likely) that the Astros will go with Bryant with their pick, or even someone else entirely.
In that case, the Cubs would most likely be picking between Appel and Gray (and possibly Bryant, if the Astros didn't pick him).
You forgot that the Astros (who are located in Texas) could pick a high-school pitcher from Texas (which is in Texas), because that's often how major-league teams make decisions.
They could also take a different player than any of the ones previously mentioned. This would leave the Cubs a different list of available players to select.
This is a developing story, so stay tuned for further analysis of these scenarios.
What happens if the phone lines to the Cubs front office are cut the day of the draft and all of their cell phone batteries run out and their legs fall off? That could have an impact on the draft.
Those kinds of scenarios are exactly why Theo wrote "The Cubs Way."
I bet if we were to get a copy of that book, it would lead us to clues about who the Cubs would draft. Especially if there's a chapter in there about who the Astros are likely to draft.
Quote from: Internet Apex on May 23, 2013, 01:40:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 23, 2013, 01:29:14 PM
Quote from: R-V on May 23, 2013, 01:16:44 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 23, 2013, 01:06:34 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2013, 12:56:30 PM
Quote from: Slaky on May 23, 2013, 12:08:12 PM
It looks like the Cubs won't be able to draft the guy the Astros draft.
What's clear is that Appel, Gray and Bryant will all be available when Houston picks. And, should Houston choose one of those three, only two of them will then be available for the Cubs.
That's where things get a bit more complicated...
If the Astros pick Appel first, of the three mentioned above only Gray and Bryant will remain for the Cubs to pick from.
If, on the other hand, Houston goes with Gray, only Appel and Bryant will be left.
It's also possible, however, (though the consensus seems to be that it's probably less likely) that the Astros will go with Bryant with their pick, or even someone else entirely.
In that case, the Cubs would most likely be picking between Appel and Gray (and possibly Bryant, if the Astros didn't pick him).
You forgot that the Astros (who are located in Texas) could pick a high-school pitcher from Texas (which is in Texas), because that's often how major-league teams make decisions.
They could also take a different player than any of the ones previously mentioned. This would leave the Cubs a different list of available players to select.
This is a developing story, so stay tuned for further analysis of these scenarios.
What happens if the phone lines to the Cubs front office are cut the day of the draft and all of their cell phone batteries run out and their legs fall off? That could have an impact on the draft.
Those kinds of scenarios are exactly why Theo wrote "The Cubs Way."
I bet if we were to get a copy of that book, it would lead us to clues about who the Cubs would draft. Especially if there's a chapter in there about who the Astros are likely to draft.
I'm inclined to bet that the Astros, having the first pick overall, will take the player they think is the best.
And by best, I mean "most Texas"
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 23, 2013, 12:56:30 PM
Quote from: Slaky on May 23, 2013, 12:08:12 PM
It looks like the Cubs won't be able to draft the guy the Astros draft.
What's clear is that Appel, Gray and Bryant will all be available when Houston picks. And, should Houston choose one of those three, only two of them will then be available for the Cubs.
That's where things get a bit more complicated...
If the Astros pick Appel first, of the three mentioned above only Gray and Bryant will remain for the Cubs to pick from.
If, on the other hand, Houston goes with Gray, only Appel and Bryant will be left.
It's also possible, however, (though the consensus seems to be that it's probably less likely) that the Astros will go with Bryant with their pick, or even someone else entirely.
In that case, the Cubs would most likely be picking between Appel and Gray (and possibly Bryant, if the Astros didn't pick him).
Bravo.
Whenever people complain that "nobody talks about baseball on this site anymore", I'm just going to link them back to this thread.
Quote from: Eli on May 23, 2013, 01:06:34 PM
You forgot that the Astros (who are located in Texas) could pick a high-school pitcher from Texas (which is in Texas), because that's often how major-league teams make decisions.
Stewart (the aforementioned HS pitcher) could just come in under the slot better than Appel. The fact that he's from Texas is coincidental.
Quote from: Fork on May 23, 2013, 03:24:15 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 23, 2013, 01:06:34 PM
You forgot that the Astros (who are located in Texas) could pick a high-school pitcher from Texas (which is in Texas), because that's often how major-league teams make decisions.
Stewart (the aforementioned HS pitcher) could just come in under the slot better than Appel. The fact that he's from Texas is coincidental.
I know. I was just being an ass and giving you a hard time.
Quote from: Eli on May 23, 2013, 03:34:34 PM
Quote from: Fork on May 23, 2013, 03:24:15 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 23, 2013, 01:06:34 PM
You forgot that the Astros (who are located in Texas) could pick a high-school pitcher from Texas (which is in Texas), because that's often how major-league teams make decisions.
Stewart (the aforementioned HS pitcher) could just come in under the slot better than Appel. The fact that he's from Texas is coincidental.
I know. I was just being an ass and giving you a hard time.
TIME TO POST!
Quote from: CT III on May 23, 2013, 02:16:02 PM
Whenever people complain that "nobody talks about baseball on this site anymore", I'm just going to link them back to this thread.
Arodys Vizcaino shut down for the season after yet another setback/injury to his pitching elbow. (https://twitter.com/PWSullivan/status/339506288151105536)
Timeline:
2010: Kicks ass for 3 months. Right elbow strain, partially torn ligament, shut down for rest of the season.
2011: Kicks ass for entire season, starting the season in High-A and making it all the way to the majors.
2012: Tommy John Disease, misses entire season. Gets traded to Cubs for Paul Maholm and Reed Johnson at deadline.
2013: Rehabbing from TJD, doctors discover calcium buildup in elbow, shut down for the season.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2013, 05:54:20 PM
Arodys Vizcaino shut down for the season after yet another setback/injury to his pitching elbow. (https://twitter.com/PWSullivan/status/339506288151105536)
Timeline:
2010: Kicks ass for 3 months. Right elbow strain, partially torn ligament, shut down for rest of the season.
2011: Kicks ass for entire season, starting the season in High-A and making it all the way to the majors.
2012: Tommy John Disease, misses entire season. Gets traded to Cubs for Paul Maholm and Reed Johnson at deadline.
2013: Rehabbing from TJD, doctors discover calcium buildup in elbow, shut down for the season.
2014: Drinks the blood of the non-believers
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2013, 05:54:20 PM
Arodys Vizcaino shut down for the season after yet another setback/injury to his pitching elbow. (https://twitter.com/PWSullivan/status/339506288151105536)
Timeline:
2010: Kicks ass for 3 months. Right elbow strain, partially torn ligament, shut down for rest of the season.
2011: Kicks ass for entire season, starting the season in High-A and making it all the way to the majors.
2012: Tommy John Disease, misses entire season. Gets traded to Cubs for Paul Maholm and Reed Johnson at deadline.
2013: Rehabbing from TJD, doctors discover calcium buildup in elbow, shut down for the season.
One more injury, and he'll be ready to be one of Jim Hendry's patented reclamation projects.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on May 28, 2013, 07:33:49 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2013, 05:54:20 PM
Arodys Vizcaino shut down for the season after yet another setback/injury to his pitching elbow. (https://twitter.com/PWSullivan/status/339506288151105536)
Timeline:
2010: Kicks ass for 3 months. Right elbow strain, partially torn ligament, shut down for rest of the season.
2011: Kicks ass for entire season, starting the season in High-A and making it all the way to the majors.
2012: Tommy John Disease, misses entire season. Gets traded to Cubs for Paul Maholm and Reed Johnson at deadline.
2013: Rehabbing from TJD, doctors discover calcium buildup in elbow, shut down for the season.
2014: Drinks the blood of the non-believers
Yes... Yes!!!!
So, then...definitely Bryant, right?
Quote from: Muskrat Tweet
Bad news for @IowaCubs Josh Vitters, who was placed on DL Tue w/strained muscle in his rib cage. 2nd time on DL this year. Batting .270
Gray literally pissed away a fortune (http://espn.go.com/mlb/draft/2013/story/_/id/9338983/top-draft-prospect-jonathan-gray-had-positive-test-adderall).
Quote from: Fork on June 03, 2013, 05:14:56 PM
Gray literally pissed away a fortune (http://espn.go.com/mlb/draft/2013/story/_/id/9338983/top-draft-prospect-jonathan-gray-had-positive-test-adderall).
Definitely Appel then.
Maybe Bryant.
Could still be Gray.
Quote from: Fork on June 03, 2013, 05:14:56 PM
Gray literally pissed away a fortune (http://espn.go.com/mlb/draft/2013/story/_/id/9338983/top-draft-prospect-jonathan-gray-had-positive-test-adderall).
Did he? The article you linked quoted someone who said it's unlikely to affect his draft stock. He's still going to be a
high top pick.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 03, 2013, 05:32:04 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 03, 2013, 05:14:56 PM
Gray literally pissed away a fortune (http://espn.go.com/mlb/draft/2013/story/_/id/9338983/top-draft-prospect-jonathan-gray-had-positive-test-adderall).
Did he? The article you linked quoted someone who said it's unlikely to affect his draft stock. He's still going to be a high top pick.
Shit, it's Adderall, which is only banned because it's a masking agent right? So at least he's smart enough to mask it. If he's got a note from his doctor, his stock might rise.
Quote from: CT III on June 03, 2013, 06:27:35 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 03, 2013, 05:32:04 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 03, 2013, 05:14:56 PM
Gray literally pissed away a fortune (http://espn.go.com/mlb/draft/2013/story/_/id/9338983/top-draft-prospect-jonathan-gray-had-positive-test-adderall).
Did he? The article you linked quoted someone who said it's unlikely to affect his draft stock. He's still going to be a high top pick.
Shit, it's Adderall, which is only banned because it's a masking agent right? So at least he's smart enough to mask it. If he's got a note from his doctor, his stock might rise.
I'm pretty sure it's banned because it's a stimulant.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 03, 2013, 08:16:45 PM
Quote from: CT III on June 03, 2013, 06:27:35 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 03, 2013, 05:32:04 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 03, 2013, 05:14:56 PM
Gray literally pissed away a fortune (http://espn.go.com/mlb/draft/2013/story/_/id/9338983/top-draft-prospect-jonathan-gray-had-positive-test-adderall).
Did he? The article you linked quoted someone who said it's unlikely to affect his draft stock. He's still going to be a high top pick.
Shit, it's Adderall, which is only banned because it's a masking agent right? So at least he's smart enough to mask it. If he's got a note from his doctor, his stock might rise.
I'm pretty sure it's banned because it's a stimulant.
Right. Adderall is basically greenies.
Quote from: Tonker on June 04, 2013, 01:26:29 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 03, 2013, 08:16:45 PM
Quote from: CT III on June 03, 2013, 06:27:35 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 03, 2013, 05:32:04 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 03, 2013, 05:14:56 PM
Gray literally pissed away a fortune (http://espn.go.com/mlb/draft/2013/story/_/id/9338983/top-draft-prospect-jonathan-gray-had-positive-test-adderall).
Did he? The article you linked quoted someone who said it's unlikely to affect his draft stock. He's still going to be a high top pick.
Shit, it's Adderall, which is only banned because it's a masking agent right? So at least he's smart enough to mask it. If he's got a note from his doctor, his stock might rise.
I'm pretty sure it's banned because it's a stimulant.
Right. Adderall is basically greenies.
Really nothing to see here, he dabbled only 1 time (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/jonathan-gray-and-aaron-blair-test-positive-for-adderall/) and got caught.
" Two club officials said their teams believed Gray's use of Adderall was a one-time mistake and wouldn't be held against him. A source close to Blair said his positive test also resulted from a one-time indiscretion and that no teams had expressed any concerns about it. Both executives and the third source spoke on condition of anonymity."
Quote from: Tonker on June 04, 2013, 01:26:29 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 03, 2013, 08:16:45 PM
Quote from: CT III on June 03, 2013, 06:27:35 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 03, 2013, 05:32:04 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 03, 2013, 05:14:56 PM
Gray literally pissed away a fortune (http://espn.go.com/mlb/draft/2013/story/_/id/9338983/top-draft-prospect-jonathan-gray-had-positive-test-adderall).
Did he? The article you linked quoted someone who said it's unlikely to affect his draft stock. He's still going to be a high top pick.
Shit, it's Adderall, which is only banned because it's a masking agent right? So at least he's smart enough to mask it. If he's got a note from his doctor, his stock might rise.
I'm pretty sure it's banned because it's a stimulant.
Right. Adderall is basically greenies.
Adderall is awesome. I take one every morning in my standard drug cocktail.
Works like a charm.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 04, 2013, 09:55:05 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 04, 2013, 01:26:29 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 03, 2013, 08:16:45 PM
Quote from: CT III on June 03, 2013, 06:27:35 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 03, 2013, 05:32:04 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 03, 2013, 05:14:56 PM
Gray literally pissed away a fortune (http://espn.go.com/mlb/draft/2013/story/_/id/9338983/top-draft-prospect-jonathan-gray-had-positive-test-adderall).
Did he? The article you linked quoted someone who said it's unlikely to affect his draft stock. He's still going to be a high top pick.
Shit, it's Adderall, which is only banned because it's a masking agent right? So at least he's smart enough to mask it. If he's got a note from his doctor, his stock might rise.
I'm pretty sure it's banned because it's a stimulant.
Right. Adderall is basically greenies.
Adderall is awesome. I take one every morning in my standard drug cocktail.
Works like a charm.
It's also a fun recreational drug.
Who???
from the SunTimes:
"Cubs Class A Daytona infielder Dustin Geiger doesn't get the attention of Cuban hitting prospect Jorge Soler or promising infielder Javier Baez, but he is making a name for himself with his play.
Geiger, 21, was named the organization's minor league player of the month for May after hitting .307 with eight doubles, one triple, three home runs and 23 RBI in 27 games. He drew 11 walks—a statistic rating high with the new Cubs hierarchy – for a .368 on-base percentage. He had a .495 slugging percentage"
Quote from: CBStew on June 04, 2013, 02:03:57 PM
Who???
from the SunTimes:
"Cubs Class A Daytona infielder Dustin Geiger doesn't get the attention of Cuban hitting prospect Jorge Soler or promising infielder Javier Baez, but he is making a name for himself with his play.
Geiger, 21, was named the organization's minor league player of the month for May after hitting .307 with eight doubles, one triple, three home runs and 23 RBI in 27 games. He drew 11 walks—a statistic rating high with the new Cubs hierarchy – for a .368 on-base percentage. He had a .495 slugging percentage"
He's got more walks this year than last already, in 2/3 the ABs.
Of course, he's a first baseman. The Cubs are ass-deep in those.
Quote from: Fork on June 04, 2013, 03:25:30 PM
Quote from: CBStew on June 04, 2013, 02:03:57 PM
Who???
from the SunTimes:
"Cubs Class A Daytona infielder Dustin Geiger doesn't get the attention of Cuban hitting prospect Jorge Soler or promising infielder Javier Baez, but he is making a name for himself with his play.
Geiger, 21, was named the organization's minor league player of the month for May after hitting .307 with eight doubles, one triple, three home runs and 23 RBI in 27 games. He drew 11 walks—a statistic rating high with the new Cubs hierarchy – for a .368 on-base percentage. He had a .495 slugging percentage"
He's got more walks this year than last already, in 2/3 the ABs.
Of course, he's a first baseman. The Cubs are ass-deep in those.
Well, those guys do grow on trees.
So Appel. Or Gray. But definitely not Bryant (http://dcprosportsreport.com/MLBMocks.htm).
Quote from: Fork on June 05, 2013, 02:53:19 PM
So Appel. Or Gray. But definitely not Bryant (http://dcprosportsreport.com/MLBMocks.htm).
Unless it's Bryant.
Or possibly Stewart. Or maybe even someone else entirely.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 05, 2013, 03:04:19 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 05, 2013, 02:53:19 PM
So Appel. Or Gray. But definitely not Bryant (http://dcprosportsreport.com/MLBMocks.htm).
Unless it's Bryant.
Or possibly Stewart. Or maybe even someone else entirely.
Could be Ryan Harvey. Luke Hagerty. Mark Pawelek. Lou Montanez. Hayden Simpson.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 05, 2013, 03:07:13 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 05, 2013, 03:04:19 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 05, 2013, 02:53:19 PM
So Appel. Or Gray. But definitely not Bryant (http://dcprosportsreport.com/MLBMocks.htm).
Unless it's Bryant.
Or possibly Stewart. Or maybe even someone else entirely.
Could be Ryan Harvey. Luke Hagerty. Mark Pawelek. Lou Montanez. Hayden Simpson.
Oh shit, does this mean that some Peoria vixen is going to father the new #1 draft pick's baby?
Quote from: Yeti on June 05, 2013, 03:38:55 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 05, 2013, 03:07:13 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 05, 2013, 03:04:19 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 05, 2013, 02:53:19 PM
So Appel. Or Gray. But definitely not Bryant (http://dcprosportsreport.com/MLBMocks.htm).
Unless it's Bryant.
Or possibly Stewart. Or maybe even someone else entirely.
Could be Ryan Harvey. Luke Hagerty. Mark Pawelek. Lou Montanez. Hayden Simpson.
Oh shit, does this mean that some Peoria vixen is going to father the new #1 draft pick's baby?
Did Michelle Grace leave Ray Liotta?
Quote from: Yeti on June 05, 2013, 03:38:55 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 05, 2013, 03:07:13 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 05, 2013, 03:04:19 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 05, 2013, 02:53:19 PM
So Appel. Or Gray. But definitely not Bryant (http://dcprosportsreport.com/MLBMocks.htm).
Unless it's Bryant.
Or possibly Stewart. Or maybe even someone else entirely.
Could be Ryan Harvey. Luke Hagerty. Mark Pawelek. Lou Montanez. Hayden Simpson.
Oh shit, does this mean that some Peoria vixen is going to father the new #1 draft pick's baby?
I thought it was going to be a St. Charles or Geneva trixie.
Quote from: Brownie on June 05, 2013, 03:46:10 PM
Quote from: Yeti on June 05, 2013, 03:38:55 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 05, 2013, 03:07:13 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 05, 2013, 03:04:19 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 05, 2013, 02:53:19 PM
So Appel. Or Gray. But definitely not Bryant (http://dcprosportsreport.com/MLBMocks.htm).
Unless it's Bryant.
Or possibly Stewart. Or maybe even someone else entirely.
Could be Ryan Harvey. Luke Hagerty. Mark Pawelek. Lou Montanez. Hayden Simpson.
Oh shit, does this mean that some Peoria vixen is going to father the new #1 draft pick's baby?
I thought it was going to be a St. Charles or Geneva trixie.
I just want to know whom to get a semi-chub over.
I'd love to see the Astros take Bryant, because the last time they took a collegiate aluminum-swinging home run king/third baseman it was Phil Nevin. And fuck the Astros.
Quote from: Fork on June 05, 2013, 07:19:34 PM
I'd love to see the Astros take Bryant, because the last time they took a collegiate aluminum-swinging home run king/third baseman it was Phil Nevin. And fuck the Astros.
You mean, former Cub Phil Nevin?
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 05, 2013, 10:27:06 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 05, 2013, 07:19:34 PM
I'd love to see the Astros take Bryant, because the last time they took a collegiate aluminum-swinging home run king/third baseman it was Phil Nevin. And fuck the Astros.
You mean, former Cub Phil Nevin?
Wasn't he another one who basically traded himself away?
By the way, I just looked up the 2001 MVP voting. What does it tell you about baseball at the turn of the Millennium that Phil Nevin's .306/.388/.588 41HR 126RBI was only good for 21st on the list? Fucking insane.
Quote from: Tonker on June 06, 2013, 04:16:25 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 05, 2013, 10:27:06 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 05, 2013, 07:19:34 PM
I'd love to see the Astros take Bryant, because the last time they took a collegiate aluminum-swinging home run king/third baseman it was Phil Nevin. And fuck the Astros.
You mean, former Cub Phil Nevin?
Wasn't he another one who basically traded himself away?
By the way, I just looked up the 2001 MVP voting. What does it tell you about baseball at the turn of the Millennium that Phil Nevin's .306/.388/.588 41HR 126RBI was only good for 21st on the list? Fucking insane.
It reminds me of the fun times. Barry: .328/.515/.863 73/137
Jesus
Gray or Appel? Who cares? The Cubs, in my opinion, are in a can't lose position. With the obvious caveat that taking a pitcher comes with throwing the dice on when he will need Tommy John surgery. But as between the two pitching prospects the Astros relieve the Cubs of the pressure of choosing between the two.
Quote from: CBStew on June 06, 2013, 01:46:14 PM
Gray or Appel? Who cares? The Cubs, in my opinion, are in a can't lose position. With the obvious caveat that taking a pitcher comes with throwing the dice on when he will need Tommy John surgery. But as between the two pitching prospects the Astros relieve the Cubs of the pressure of choosing between the two.
Or Bryant.
Quote from: CBStew on June 06, 2013, 01:46:14 PM
Gray or Appel? Who cares? The Cubs, in my opinion, are in a can't lose position. With the obvious caveat that taking a pitcher comes with throwing the dice on when he will need Tommy John surgery. But as between the two pitching prospects the Astros relieve the Cubs of the pressure of choosing between the two.
Appel is much closer to a finished product in terms of mechanics and repertoire, reminiscent of Mark Prior at USC. And with Dusty ruining arms elsewhere these days, he'd be a helluva pick. Unless it's Gray. Or Bryant.
Quote from: Tonker on June 06, 2013, 04:16:25 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 05, 2013, 10:27:06 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 05, 2013, 07:19:34 PM
I'd love to see the Astros take Bryant, because the last time they took a collegiate aluminum-swinging home run king/third baseman it was Phil Nevin. And fuck the Astros.
You mean, former Cub Phil Nevin?
Wasn't he another one who basically traded himself away?
By the way, I just looked up the 2001 MVP voting. What does it tell you about baseball at the turn of the Millennium that Phil Nevin's .306/.388/.588 41HR 126RBI was only good for 21st on the list? Fucking insane.
True story: A buddy of mine that I used to work with who's from Detroit (this may or may not be relevant) had apparently very good inside information that Nevin is a big fan of pegging.
I'm assuming I'm using that term right as I learned it in the SBox just a few short weeks ago, but what I mean is that Nevin apparently likes his women to strap-on and take it to him.
My friend told me this story in roughly 2000-2001, for context.
Do with this what you please.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2013, 03:13:29 PM
Quote from: Tonker on June 06, 2013, 04:16:25 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 05, 2013, 10:27:06 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 05, 2013, 07:19:34 PM
I'd love to see the Astros take Bryant, because the last time they took a collegiate aluminum-swinging home run king/third baseman it was Phil Nevin. And fuck the Astros.
You mean, former Cub Phil Nevin?
Wasn't he another one who basically traded himself away?
By the way, I just looked up the 2001 MVP voting. What does it tell you about baseball at the turn of the Millennium that Phil Nevin's .306/.388/.588 41HR 126RBI was only good for 21st on the list? Fucking insane.
True story: A buddy of mine that I used to work with who's from Detroit (this may or may not be relevant) had apparently very good inside information that Nevin is a big fan of pegging.
I'm assuming I'm using that term right as I learned it in the SBox just a few short weeks ago, but what I mean is that Nevin apparently likes his women to strap-on and take it to him.
My friend told me this story in roughly 2000-2001, for context.
Do with this what you please.
There's not much I can do with this at all.
Quote from: Slaky on June 06, 2013, 03:19:40 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2013, 03:13:29 PM
Quote from: Tonker on June 06, 2013, 04:16:25 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 05, 2013, 10:27:06 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 05, 2013, 07:19:34 PM
I'd love to see the Astros take Bryant, because the last time they took a collegiate aluminum-swinging home run king/third baseman it was Phil Nevin. And fuck the Astros.
You mean, former Cub Phil Nevin?
Wasn't he another one who basically traded himself away?
By the way, I just looked up the 2001 MVP voting. What does it tell you about baseball at the turn of the Millennium that Phil Nevin's .306/.388/.588 41HR 126RBI was only good for 21st on the list? Fucking insane.
True story: A buddy of mine that I used to work with who's from Detroit (this may or may not be relevant) had apparently very good inside information that Nevin is a big fan of pegging.
I'm assuming I'm using that term right as I learned it in the SBox just a few short weeks ago, but what I mean is that Nevin apparently likes his women to strap-on and take it to him.
My friend told me this story in roughly 2000-2001, for context.
Do with this what you please.
There's not much I can do with this at all.
Very good inside information? Your friend was into it as well?
Quote from: Slaky on June 06, 2013, 03:19:40 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2013, 03:13:29 PM
Quote from: Tonker on June 06, 2013, 04:16:25 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 05, 2013, 10:27:06 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 05, 2013, 07:19:34 PM
I'd love to see the Astros take Bryant, because the last time they took a collegiate aluminum-swinging home run king/third baseman it was Phil Nevin. And fuck the Astros.
You mean, former Cub Phil Nevin?
Wasn't he another one who basically traded himself away?
By the way, I just looked up the 2001 MVP voting. What does it tell you about baseball at the turn of the Millennium that Phil Nevin's .306/.388/.588 41HR 126RBI was only good for 21st on the list? Fucking insane.
True story: A buddy of mine that I used to work with who's from Detroit (this may or may not be relevant) had apparently very good inside information that Nevin is a big fan of pegging.
I'm assuming I'm using that term right as I learned it in the SBox just a few short weeks ago, but what I mean is that Nevin apparently likes his women to strap-on and take it to him.
My friend told me this story in roughly 2000-2001, for context.
Do with this what you please.
There's not much I can do with this at all.
You can just enjoy it.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2013, 03:35:18 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 06, 2013, 03:19:40 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2013, 03:13:29 PM
Quote from: Tonker on June 06, 2013, 04:16:25 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 05, 2013, 10:27:06 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 05, 2013, 07:19:34 PM
I'd love to see the Astros take Bryant, because the last time they took a collegiate aluminum-swinging home run king/third baseman it was Phil Nevin. And fuck the Astros.
You mean, former Cub Phil Nevin?
Wasn't he another one who basically traded himself away?
By the way, I just looked up the 2001 MVP voting. What does it tell you about baseball at the turn of the Millennium that Phil Nevin's .306/.388/.588 41HR 126RBI was only good for 21st on the list? Fucking insane.
True story: A buddy of mine that I used to work with who's from Detroit (this may or may not be relevant) had apparently very good inside information that Nevin is a big fan of pegging.
I'm assuming I'm using that term right as I learned it in the SBox just a few short weeks ago, but what I mean is that Nevin apparently likes his women to strap-on and take it to him.
My friend told me this story in roughly 2000-2001, for context.
Do with this what you please.
There's not much I can do with this at all.
You can just enjoy it.
Unless this has something to do with Gally, who cares?
Quote from: Slaky on June 06, 2013, 03:19:40 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2013, 03:13:29 PM
Quote from: Tonker on June 06, 2013, 04:16:25 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 05, 2013, 10:27:06 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 05, 2013, 07:19:34 PM
I'd love to see the Astros take Bryant, because the last time they took a collegiate aluminum-swinging home run king/third baseman it was Phil Nevin. And fuck the Astros.
You mean, former Cub Phil Nevin?
Wasn't he another one who basically traded himself away?
By the way, I just looked up the 2001 MVP voting. What does it tell you about baseball at the turn of the Millennium that Phil Nevin's .306/.388/.588 41HR 126RBI was only good for 21st on the list? Fucking insane.
True story: A buddy of mine that I used to work with who's from Detroit (this may or may not be relevant) had apparently very good inside information that Nevin is a big fan of pegging.
I'm assuming I'm using that term right as I learned it in the SBox just a few short weeks ago, but what I mean is that Nevin apparently likes his women to strap-on and take it to him.
My friend told me this story in roughly 2000-2001, for context.
Do with this what you please.
There's not much I can do with this at all.
Speak for yourself...
(http://i.imgur.com/tXYXldw.jpg)
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 06, 2013, 03:57:00 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 06, 2013, 03:19:40 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2013, 03:13:29 PM
Quote from: Tonker on June 06, 2013, 04:16:25 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 05, 2013, 10:27:06 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 05, 2013, 07:19:34 PM
I'd love to see the Astros take Bryant, because the last time they took a collegiate aluminum-swinging home run king/third baseman it was Phil Nevin. And fuck the Astros.
You mean, former Cub Phil Nevin?
Wasn't he another one who basically traded himself away?
By the way, I just looked up the 2001 MVP voting. What does it tell you about baseball at the turn of the Millennium that Phil Nevin's .306/.388/.588 41HR 126RBI was only good for 21st on the list? Fucking insane.
True story: A buddy of mine that I used to work with who's from Detroit (this may or may not be relevant) had apparently very good inside information that Nevin is a big fan of pegging.
I'm assuming I'm using that term right as I learned it in the SBox just a few short weeks ago, but what I mean is that Nevin apparently likes his women to strap-on and take it to him.
My friend told me this story in roughly 2000-2001, for context.
Do with this what you please.
There's not much I can do with this at all.
Speak for yourself...
(http://i.imgur.com/tXYXldw.jpg)
Man, that's so fucking mean.
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 06, 2013, 04:00:55 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 06, 2013, 03:57:00 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 06, 2013, 03:19:40 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2013, 03:13:29 PM
Quote from: Tonker on June 06, 2013, 04:16:25 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 05, 2013, 10:27:06 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 05, 2013, 07:19:34 PM
I'd love to see the Astros take Bryant, because the last time they took a collegiate aluminum-swinging home run king/third baseman it was Phil Nevin. And fuck the Astros.
You mean, former Cub Phil Nevin?
Wasn't he another one who basically traded himself away?
By the way, I just looked up the 2001 MVP voting. What does it tell you about baseball at the turn of the Millennium that Phil Nevin's .306/.388/.588 41HR 126RBI was only good for 21st on the list? Fucking insane.
True story: A buddy of mine that I used to work with who's from Detroit (this may or may not be relevant) had apparently very good inside information that Nevin is a big fan of pegging.
I'm assuming I'm using that term right as I learned it in the SBox just a few short weeks ago, but what I mean is that Nevin apparently likes his women to strap-on and take it to him.
My friend told me this story in roughly 2000-2001, for context.
Do with this what you please.
There's not much I can do with this at all.
Speak for yourself...
(http://i.imgur.com/tXYXldw.jpg)
Man, that's so fucking mean.
What's mean is how hard I laughed at it.
Quote from: Fork on June 06, 2013, 04:04:17 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 06, 2013, 04:00:55 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 06, 2013, 03:57:00 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 06, 2013, 03:19:40 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2013, 03:13:29 PM
Quote from: Tonker on June 06, 2013, 04:16:25 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 05, 2013, 10:27:06 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 05, 2013, 07:19:34 PM
I'd love to see the Astros take Bryant, because the last time they took a collegiate aluminum-swinging home run king/third baseman it was Phil Nevin. And fuck the Astros.
You mean, former Cub Phil Nevin?
Wasn't he another one who basically traded himself away?
By the way, I just looked up the 2001 MVP voting. What does it tell you about baseball at the turn of the Millennium that Phil Nevin's .306/.388/.588 41HR 126RBI was only good for 21st on the list? Fucking insane.
True story: A buddy of mine that I used to work with who's from Detroit (this may or may not be relevant) had apparently very good inside information that Nevin is a big fan of pegging.
I'm assuming I'm using that term right as I learned it in the SBox just a few short weeks ago, but what I mean is that Nevin apparently likes his women to strap-on and take it to him.
My friend told me this story in roughly 2000-2001, for context.
Do with this what you please.
There's not much I can do with this at all.
Speak for yourself...
(http://i.imgur.com/tXYXldw.jpg)
Man, that's so fucking mean.
What's mean is how hard I laughed at it.
THIS.
Outstanding.
Kris Bryant is the pick. I positive. With Appel gone, I'm glad they took Bryant over Gray. Bookmarking this so when Gray wins three straight Cy Youngs and Bryant retires next year I can relive the temporary positive.
Quote from: CBStew on June 06, 2013, 01:46:14 PM
Gray or Appel? Who cares? The Cubs, in my opinion, are in a can't lose position. With the obvious caveat that taking a pitcher comes with throwing the dice on when he will need Tommy John surgery. But as between the two pitching prospects the Astros relieve the Cubs of the pressure of choosing between the two.
Just goes to show you. Pay no attention to anything that I predict.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 06, 2013, 06:18:27 PM
Kris Bryant is the pick. I positive. With Appel gone, I'm glad they took Bryant over Gray. Bookmarking this so when Gray wins three straight Cy Youngs and Bryant retires next year I can relive the temporary positive.
TIME TO QUOTE!
Quote from: Fork on May 23, 2013, 08:57:05 AM
It's looking more like whichever of Appel or Gray the Astros don't take.
Quote from: Fork on June 05, 2013, 02:53:19 PM
So Appel. Or Gray. But definitely not Bryant (http://dcprosportsreport.com/MLBMocks.htm).
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 06, 2013, 06:35:32 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 06, 2013, 06:18:27 PM
Kris Bryant is the pick. I positive. With Appel gone, I'm glad they took Bryant over Gray. Bookmarking this so when Gray wins three straight Cy Youngs and Bryant retires next year I can relive the temporary positive.
TIME TO QUOTE!
Quote from: Fork on May 23, 2013, 08:57:05 AM
It's looking more like whichever of Appel or Gray the Astros don't take.
Quote from: Fork on June 05, 2013, 02:53:19 PM
So Appel. Or Gray. But definitely not Bryant (http://dcprosportsreport.com/MLBMocks.htm).
Definitely not.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 06, 2013, 06:42:37 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 06, 2013, 06:35:32 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 06, 2013, 06:18:27 PM
Kris Bryant is the pick. I positive. With Appel gone, I'm glad they took Bryant over Gray. Bookmarking this so when Gray wins three straight Cy Youngs and Bryant retires next year I can relive the temporary positive.
TIME TO QUOTE!
Quote from: Fork on May 23, 2013, 08:57:05 AM
It's looking more like whichever of Appel or Gray the Astros don't take.
Quote from: Fork on June 05, 2013, 02:53:19 PM
So Appel. Or Gray. But definitely not Bryant (http://dcprosportsreport.com/MLBMocks.htm).
Definitely not.
So I was wrong. On the bright side, if he can make the transition to wood bats, the Cubs have the potential to have a lineup in 5 years that will give every pitcher in baseball night sweats.
Next pick: Future lefty stud Rob Zastryznzyzznzy
QuoteThe latest in a long line of talented Missouri pitchers, Zastryzny has a good feel for the craft of pitching. His fastball typically sits in the upper-80s, but Zastryzny has the ability to add and subtract velocity as necessary. His fastball velocity typically ranges from 86 mph to 94 mph. Zastryzny, a left-hander, uses his height – he's listed at 6-foot-3 – to create a downhill angle for his fastball, which has late action. Zastryzny also throws a changeup and slider. He commands his whole arsenal well and all three of his pitches have the chance to be at least Major League-average offerings.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 06, 2013, 06:18:27 PM
Kris Bryant is the pick. I positive. With Appel gone, I'm glad they took Bryant over Gray. Bookmarking this so when Gray wins three straight Cy Youngs and Bryant retires next year I can relive the temporary positive.
I agree. I think the Cubs might have gone with Gray right up until a couple of days ago when that adderall thing came out. Yeah, in and of itself it's not really a huge deal but really - to do that right before the draft in which you're projected as possible no.1, and definite top 3 pick? When you know that there's the possibility of a random drug test? It shows a serious lack of judgment and speaks to the kid's character.
I'm quite happy with Bryant. The lad can hit.
Quote from: Tonker on June 07, 2013, 02:42:35 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 06, 2013, 06:18:27 PM
Kris Bryant is the pick. I positive. With Appel gone, I'm glad they took Bryant over Gray. Bookmarking this so when Gray wins three straight Cy Youngs and Bryant retires next year I can relive the temporary positive.
I agree. I think the Cubs might have gone with Gray right up until a couple of days ago when that adderall thing came out. Yeah, in and of itself it's not really a huge deal but really - to do that right before the draft in which you're projected as possible no.1, and definite top 3 pick? When you know that there's the possibility of a random drug test? It shows a serious lack of judgment and speaks to the kid's character.
I'm quite happy with Bryant. The lad can hit.
I don't know what to make of the Muskrat's story (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130606&content_id=49835540¬ebook_id=49824662&vkey=notebook_chc&c_id=chc) on this pick.
QuoteCHICAGO -- The Cubs hope they found a power-hitting third baseman in San Diego's Kris Bryant, who's ready to insert himself into the middle of the lineup immediately.
QuoteThe Cubs plan to keep him at third base, where there's a need in the organization. The toughest part, besides signing Bryant, might be keeping him in the Minors. He's ready to play for the Cubs now.
Whatever she's smoking, I'd like some.
Edit: More from this article...
Uh-oh. Kris doesn't GET IT. Someone better warn Al.
Quote"I know they haven't won a World Series in a while," Bryant said. "Hopefully, I can do all I can to help the Cubs win one. That's about the extent of what I know. I know it's a great baseball city, I know it's a great team -- a lot of history to it. I'm excited and just happy I'm going to be given the opportunity to continue playing this game."
More of Muskrat's delusions:
QuoteThe Cubs had narrowed the candidates to a final four: Bryant, North Carolina third baseman Colin Moran, and pitchers Jonathan Gray of Oklahoma and Mark Appel of Stanford. They ultimately passed on the two big right-handers, but added a pitcher in the second round, taking Missouri left-hander Rob Zastryzny with the 41st overall pick.
It must be news to Theo that he "passed" on Mark Appel this year. WTF, Carrie?
Cut the shit - he's not really going to be playing in the majors this year, is he?
Or is he?
Quote from: Slaky on June 07, 2013, 09:33:25 AM
Cut the shit - he's not really going to be playing in the majors this year, is he?
Or is he?
No, he won't. He may only get in a handful of games in the minors this year by the time he signs and reports somewhere. Seems like the earliest might be a midseason call-up next year if he's doing well.
Quote from: Eli on June 07, 2013, 09:42:11 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 07, 2013, 09:33:25 AM
Cut the shit - he's not really going to be playing in the majors this year, is he?
Or is he?
No, he won't. He may only get in a handful of games in the minors this year by the time he signs and reports somewhere. Seems like the earliest might be a midseason call-up next year if he's doing well.
A moment of silence for Josh Vitters.
Quote from: Eli on June 07, 2013, 09:42:11 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 07, 2013, 09:33:25 AM
Cut the shit - he's not really going to be playing in the majors this year, is he?
Or is he?
No, he won't. He may only get in a handful of games in the minors this year by the time he signs and reports somewhere. Seems like the earliest might be a midseason call-up next year if he's doing well.
Don't tell that to Gil.
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 07, 2013, 09:46:59 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 07, 2013, 09:42:11 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 07, 2013, 09:33:25 AM
Cut the shit - he's not really going to be playing in the majors this year, is he?
Or is he?
No, he won't. He may only get in a handful of games in the minors this year by the time he signs and reports somewhere. Seems like the earliest might be a midseason call-up next year if he's doing well.
A moment of silence for Josh Vitters the $30 or so Dolan invested in a Valbuena shersey.
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 07, 2013, 09:46:59 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 07, 2013, 09:42:11 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 07, 2013, 09:33:25 AM
Cut the shit - he's not really going to be playing in the majors this year, is he?
Or is he?
No, he won't. He may only get in a handful of games in the minors this year by the time he signs and reports somewhere. Seems like the earliest might be a midseason call-up next year if he's doing well.
A moment of silence for Josh Vitters.
If he can transition to a 4th/5th OF and have ability to spell at 3B/1B, there's still room for him.
2015 World Champion Cubs:C: Castillo
1B: Rizzo
2B: Baez
SS: Castro (can flip-flop with Baez)
3B: Bryant
LF: Almora
CF: Jackson
RF: Soler
Bench:
Candelario
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Szczur
Vitters
Villanueva
Quote from: PenFoe on June 07, 2013, 11:22:01 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 07, 2013, 09:46:59 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 07, 2013, 09:42:11 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 07, 2013, 09:33:25 AM
Cut the shit - he's not really going to be playing in the majors this year, is he?
Or is he?
No, he won't. He may only get in a handful of games in the minors this year by the time he signs and reports somewhere. Seems like the earliest might be a midseason call-up next year if he's doing well.
A moment of silence for Josh Vitters.
If he can transition to a 4th/5th OF and have ability to spell at 3B/1B, there's still room for him.
2015 World Champion Cubs:
C: Castillo
1B: Rizzo
2B: Baez
SS: Castro (can flip-flop with Baez)
3B: Bryant
LF: Almora
CF: Jackson
RF: Soler
Bench:
Candelario
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Szczur
Vitters
Villanueva
What about future Mark DeRosa Super Sub White Guy Folk Hero Logan Watkins? That dude is gonna be a bench hero.
2015 World Champion Cubs:
C: Castillo
1B: Rizzo
2B: Cano
SS: Baez or Castro
3B: Bryant
LF: Almora
CF: [Pending]
RF: Soler
Bench:
Candelario
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Szczur
Barney
Villanueva
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 07, 2013, 11:42:45 AM
2015 World Champion Cubs:
C: Castillo
1B: Rizzo
2B: Cano
SS: Baez or Castro
3B: Bryant
LF: Almora
CF: Soriano
RF: Soler
Bench:
Candelario
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Szczur
Barney
Villanueva
Because Theo trolling Chuck would be so much fun'd
Quote from: Yeti on June 07, 2013, 11:46:53 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 07, 2013, 11:42:45 AM
2015 World Champion Cubs:
C: Castillo
1B: Rizzo
2B: Cano
SS: Baez or Castro
3B: Bryant
LF: Almora
CF: Soriano
RF: Soler
Bench:
Candelario
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Szczur
Barney
Villanueva
Because Theo trolling Chuck would be so much fun'd
Who is Villanueva?
EDIT: Nevermind. I figured out, he's this guy.
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=570799#gameType=%27S%27
Pick 3: OF Jacob Hannemann, BYU.
Quote from: mlb.com
6'01" 195lbs DOB: 04/29/91
Hannemann is only a freshman, but don't let that fool you. The two-sport standout went on his Mormon mission before heading to college, making him 22 years old. Also a football player, Hannemann has some athletic tools to work with, even if they are a bit raw. The WCC Freshman of the Year hit well in his first taste of college ball, impressive considering he hadn't played in two years. He has the chance to hit and run well and could be a solid center field prospect for a team willing to be patient.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 07, 2013, 11:42:45 AM
2015 World Champion Cubs:
C: Castillo
1B: Rizzo
2B: Cano
SS: Baez or Castro
3B: Bryant
LF: Almora
CF: [Pending]
RF: Soler
Bench:
Candelario
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Szczur
Barney
Villanueva
ENOUGH WITH THE CANO
Quote from: R-V on June 07, 2013, 12:51:16 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 07, 2013, 11:42:45 AM
2015 World Champion Cubs:
C: Castillo
1B: Rizzo
2B: Cano
SS: Baez or Castro
3B: Bryant
LF: Almora
CF: [Pending]
RF: Soler
Bench:
Candelario
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Szczur
Barney
Villanueva
ENOUGH WITH THE CANO
When he comes here, it's FYRV forever.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 07, 2013, 12:54:47 PM
Quote from: R-V on June 07, 2013, 12:51:16 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 07, 2013, 11:42:45 AM
2015 World Champion Cubs:
C: Castillo
1B: Rizzo
2B: Cano
SS: Baez or Castro
3B: Bryant
LF: Almora
CF: [Pending]
RF: Soler
Bench:
Candelario
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Szczur
Barney
Villanueva
ENOUGH WITH THE CANO
When he comes here, it's FYRV forever.
You can add me to that list. He's not coming here. Stop it.
Quote from: R-V on June 07, 2013, 12:51:16 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 07, 2013, 11:42:45 AM
2015 World Champion Cubs:
C: Castillo
1B: Rizzo
2B: Cano
SS: Baez or Castro
3B: Bryant
LF: Almora
CF: [Pending]
RF: Soler
Bench:
Candelario
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Szczur
Barney
Villanueva
ENOUGH WITH THE CANO
Chuck's just a troll at this point.
There's no reason to respond.
Quote from: R-V on June 07, 2013, 12:51:16 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 07, 2013, 11:42:45 AM
2015 World Champion Cubs:
C: Castillo
1B: Rizzo
2B: Cano
SS: Baez or Castro
3B: Bryant
LF: Almora
CF: [Pending]
RF: Soler
Bench:
Candelario
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Szczur
Barney
Villanueva
ENOUGH WITH THE CANO
I'm sure when an overpriced free agent position player ex-Yankee declines in his thirties and hits fewer home runs, loses his speed, and stops being a defensive asset Chuck will handle it reasonably and appropriately.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 07, 2013, 01:03:15 PM
Quote from: R-V on June 07, 2013, 12:51:16 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 07, 2013, 11:42:45 AM
2015 World Champion Cubs:
C: Castillo
1B: Rizzo
2B: Cano
SS: Baez or Castro
3B: Bryant
LF: Almora
CF: [Pending]
RF: Soler
Bench:
Candelario
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Szczur
Barney
Villanueva
ENOUGH WITH THE CANO
I'm sure when an overpriced free agent position player ex-Yankee declines in his thirties and hits fewer home runs, loses his speed, and stops being a defensive asset Chuck will handle it reasonably and appropriately.
QFT
The Cubs drafted a guy born in 1474... Pen emailed me to complain about him being TOO OLD
Quote from: Yeti on June 08, 2013, 01:28:05 PM
The Cubs drafted a guy born in 1474... Pen emailed me to complain about him being TOO OLD
The Cubs drafted Juan Ponce de Leon?
EDIT: Oh fuck. I guess they did draft a Poncedeleon.
Quote from: Bort on June 08, 2013, 01:49:45 PM
Quote from: Yeti on June 08, 2013, 01:28:05 PM
The Cubs drafted a guy born in 1474... Pen emailed me to complain about him being TOO OLD
The Cubs drafted Juan Ponce de Leon?
EDIT: Oh fuck. I guess they did draft a Poncedeleon.
Ya know, delete's an option too.
Quote from: PANK! on June 09, 2013, 07:37:47 AM
Quote from: Bort on June 08, 2013, 01:49:45 PM
Quote from: Yeti on June 08, 2013, 01:28:05 PM
The Cubs drafted a guy born in 1474... Pen emailed me to complain about him being TOO OLD
The Cubs drafted Juan Ponce de Leon?
EDIT: Oh fuck. I guess they did draft a Poncedeleon.
Ya know, delete's an option too.
You're throwing stones from a glass hut in the bog by the potato field.
Quote from: Bort on June 09, 2013, 09:49:22 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 09, 2013, 07:37:47 AM
Quote from: Bort on June 08, 2013, 01:49:45 PM
Quote from: Yeti on June 08, 2013, 01:28:05 PM
The Cubs drafted a guy born in 1474... Pen emailed me to complain about him being TOO OLD
The Cubs drafted Juan Ponce de Leon?
EDIT: Oh fuck. I guess they did draft a Poncedeleon.
Ya know, delete's an option too.
You're throwing stones from a glass hut in the bog by the potato field.
That sounds fancy.
Is this where we voice concern over Baez having 25 errors so far this year in Daytona?
Quote from: Fork on June 10, 2013, 10:12:48 AM
Is this where we voice concern over Baez having 25 errors so far this year in Daytona?
Yes.
Quote from: Fork on June 10, 2013, 10:12:48 AM
Is this where we voice concern over Baez having 25 errors so far this year in Daytona?
He's a Hendry draft pick. Concern is built in.
I will not sit idly by as GARBANZO BAENZ is badmouthed!
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 10, 2013, 10:28:13 AM
Quote from: Fork on June 10, 2013, 10:12:48 AM
Is this where we voice concern over Baez having 25 errors so far this year in Daytona?
He's a Hendry draft pick. Concern is built in.
Seems like sound logic.
Javier Baez has three home runs tonight, but using my handy Hendry Draft Pick Conversion chart, he's really 1-for-6 with 3 Ks and an arson conviction.
Quote from: Eli on June 10, 2013, 08:32:33 PM
Javier Baez has three home runs tonight, but using my handy Hendry Draft Pick Conversion chart, he's really 1-for-6 with 3 Ks and an arson conviction.
Javier "The Arsonist" Baez. I like it.
Make that 4 home runs, which broke the conversion chart.
Quote from: Eli on June 10, 2013, 08:38:15 PM
Make that 4 home runs, which broke the conversion chart.
4-for-4, 4 HR, 7 RBI. Two solo homers, a two-run blast, and a three-run bomb.
Not terrible.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 10, 2013, 09:35:43 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 10, 2013, 08:38:15 PM
Make that 4 home runs, which broke the conversion chart.
4-for-4, 4 HR, 7 RBI. Two solo homers, a two-run blast, and a three-run bomb.
Not terrible.
[/quote
FYF!
Quote from: PenPho on June 10, 2013, 09:39:38 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 10, 2013, 09:35:43 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 10, 2013, 08:38:15 PM
Make that 4 home runs, which broke the conversion chart.
4-for-4, 4 HR, 7 RBI. Two solo homers, a two-run blast, and a three-run bomb.
Not terrible.
FYF!
TIME FOR CONCERN!
QuoteThe only other player to hit four home runs in a Florida State League game was another Cubs prospect, Ryan Harvey, who did so July 28, 2006, also for Daytona.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 10, 2013, 09:42:30 PM
Quote from: PenPho on June 10, 2013, 09:39:38 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 10, 2013, 09:35:43 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 10, 2013, 08:38:15 PM
Make that 4 home runs, which broke the conversion chart.
4-for-4, 4 HR, 7 RBI. Two solo homers, a two-run blast, and a three-run bomb.
Not terrible.
FYF!
TIME FOR CONCERN!
QuoteThe only other player to hit four home runs in a Florida State League game was another Cubs prospect, Ryan Harvey, who did so July 28, 2006, also for Daytona.
More importantly, he had his 26th error tonight as well.
Luckily, by the time he gets called up the NL will have the DH.
Maybe it's because of a game I saw in Spring (ok it's definitely because I saw him crush a few homers in Spring) but I can see Baez massacring MLB pitching at some point in a Cubs uniform. The great news is he can probably do that in the big leagues right now. He's just got a few things he needs to tighten up including his approach and his wild throwing arm. Those things can be fixed and he has time to fix them.
Goddamn, I am excited about the bats this team has in the minors.
It's gonna be fun again guys. Not now but soon...ish.
Quote from: PenPho on June 10, 2013, 09:44:27 PM
Luckily, by the time he gets called up the NL will have the DH.
I'm legitimately holding out hope for this just because of Vogelbach.
Well, and because watching pitchers try to hit is pointless.
Quote from: Slaky on June 10, 2013, 10:27:38 PM
Maybe it's because of a game I saw in Spring (ok it's definitely because I saw him crush a few homers in Spring) but I can see Baez massacring MLB pitching at some point in a Cubs uniform. The great news is he can probably do that in the big leagues right now. He's just got a few things he needs to tighten up including his approach and his wild throwing arm. Those things can be fixed and he has time to fix them.
Goddamn, I am excited about the bats this team has in the minors.
It's gonna be fun again guys. Not now but soon...ish.
I think he'd massacre mistakes but get totally owned by decent-to-good pitching right now. He already walks some and only averages about a strikeout per game, so that's encouraging. If they all pan out, what a lineup.
CF Almora R
SS Castro R
RF Bryant R
3B Baez R
1B Rizzo L
LF Soler R
C Castillo R (?)
2B Barney R (Lake R?)
Pitcher
A little righty-heavy at the top and I'm not sold on Castro hitting second but damn they'd score a shitload of runs.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 11, 2013, 03:52:34 AM
CF Almora R
SS Castro R
RF Bryant R
3B Baez R
1B Rizzo L
LF Soler R
C Castillo R (?)
2B Barney R (Lake R?)
Pitcher
DID WE LEARN NOTHING FROM THE CHOI/HILL/MONTANEZ/KELTON INFIELD OF THE FUTURE?!?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 10, 2013, 09:42:30 PM
Quote from: PenPho on June 10, 2013, 09:39:38 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 10, 2013, 09:35:43 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 10, 2013, 08:38:15 PM
Make that 4 home runs, which broke the conversion chart.
4-for-4, 4 HR, 7 RBI. Two solo homers, a two-run blast, and a three-run bomb.
Not terrible.
FYF!
TIME FOR CONCERN!
QuoteThe only other player to hit four home runs in a Florida State League game was another Cubs prospect, Ryan Harvey, who did so July 28, 2006, also for Daytona.
I wonder if he had some Xanax for afterwards
Quote from: Eli on June 11, 2013, 07:13:09 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 11, 2013, 03:52:34 AM
CF Almora R
SS Castro R
RF Bryant R
3B Baez R
1B Rizzo L
LF Soler R
C Castillo R (?)
2B Barney R (Lake R?)
Pitcher
DID WE LEARN NOTHING FROM THE CHOI/HILL/MONTANEZ/KELTON INFIELD OF THE FUTURE?!?
Pie, Patterson, and Harvey, left-to-right, in 2007. Who could forget that murderer's row?
Quote from: Eli on June 10, 2013, 10:31:10 PM
Quote from: PenPho on June 10, 2013, 09:44:27 PM
Luckily, by the time he gets called up the NL will have the DH.
I'm legitimately holding out hope for this just because of Vogelbach.
Well, and because watching pitchers try to hit is pointless.
I used be strongly against this but at some point I realized I was fucking loser and stopped giving a shit.
Quote from: PenPho on June 10, 2013, 09:44:27 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 10, 2013, 09:42:30 PM
Quote from: PenPho on June 10, 2013, 09:39:38 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 10, 2013, 09:35:43 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 10, 2013, 08:38:15 PM
Make that 4 home runs, which broke the conversion chart.
4-for-4, 4 HR, 7 RBI. Two solo homers, a two-run blast, and a three-run bomb.
Not terrible.
FYF!
TIME FOR CONCERN!
QuoteThe only other player to hit four home runs in a Florida State League game was another Cubs prospect, Ryan Harvey, who did so July 28, 2006, also for Daytona.
More importantly, he had his 26th error tonight as well.
Luckily, by the time he gets called up the NL will have the DH.
There's actually not all that much room for concern. Most of his errors are throwing errors, which can be more easily sorted out with coaching and a better first baseman.
Quote from: Fork on June 11, 2013, 09:01:47 AM
Quote from: PenPho on June 10, 2013, 09:44:27 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 10, 2013, 09:42:30 PM
Quote from: PenPho on June 10, 2013, 09:39:38 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 10, 2013, 09:35:43 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 10, 2013, 08:38:15 PM
Make that 4 home runs, which broke the conversion chart.
4-for-4, 4 HR, 7 RBI. Two solo homers, a two-run blast, and a three-run bomb.
Not terrible.
FYF!
TIME FOR CONCERN!
QuoteThe only other player to hit four home runs in a Florida State League game was another Cubs prospect, Ryan Harvey, who did so July 28, 2006, also for Daytona.
More importantly, he had his 26th error tonight as well.
Luckily, by the time he gets called up the NL will have the DH.
There's actually not all that much room for concern. Most of his errors are throwing errors, which can be more easily sorted out with coaching and a better first baseman.
8 foot tall first basemen grow on trees
Quote from: Eli on June 10, 2013, 10:31:10 PM
Quote from: PenPho on June 10, 2013, 09:44:27 PM
Luckily, by the time he gets called up the NL will have the DH.
I'm legitimately holding out hope for this just because of Vogelbach.
Well, and because watching pitchers try to hit is pointless.
Elistink is terrible.
SHIT'S GETTING REAL.
(http://oi41.tinypic.com/33u2vdu.jpg)
For reference, that guy is the "national prospect/player development writer for Baseball Prospectus."
Quote from: PenFoe on June 11, 2013, 12:27:59 PM
SHIT'S GETTING REAL.
(http://oi41.tinypic.com/33u2vdu.jpg)
For reference, that guy is the "national prospect/player development writer for Baseball Prospectus."
They could also all be murdered in grisly fashion by a vengeful Ian Stewart. #could
Quote from: PenFoe on June 11, 2013, 12:27:59 PM
SHIT'S GETTING REAL.
(http://oi41.tinypic.com/33u2vdu.jpg)
For reference, that guy is the "national prospect/player development writer for Baseball Prospectus."
Takes me to back to the Glory Days of 2001 when Baseball America was touting the Cubs farm system thanks to the obvious talent of Corey Patterson, Juan Cruz, Bobby Hill and Hee Seop Choi!*
*Okay, so Carlos Zambrano was also on this list, but still.
Quote from: PANK! on June 11, 2013, 01:10:49 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 11, 2013, 12:27:59 PM
SHIT'S GETTING REAL.
(http://oi41.tinypic.com/33u2vdu.jpg)
For reference, that guy is the "national prospect/player development writer for Baseball Prospectus."
Takes me to back to the Glory Days of 2001 when Baseball America was touting the Cubs farm system thanks to the obvious talent of Corey Patterson, Juan Cruz, Bobby Hill and Hee Seop Choi!*
*Okay, so Carlos Zambrano was also on this list, but still.
I would rock the everliving Christ out of a Juan Cruz shersey.
Quote from: PANK! on June 11, 2013, 01:10:49 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 11, 2013, 12:27:59 PM
SHIT'S GETTING REAL.
(http://oi41.tinypic.com/33u2vdu.jpg)
For reference, that guy is the "national prospect/player development writer for Baseball Prospectus."
Takes me to back to the Glory Days of 2001 when Baseball America was touting the Cubs farm system thanks to the obvious talent of Corey Patterson, Juan Cruz, Bobby Hill and Hee Seop Choi!*
*Okay, so Carlos Zambrano was also on this list, but still.
The two best years of the past 20.
2001 had:
2 of the top 20 (Patterson, Cruz)
4 of the top 40 (Choi, Christensen)
6 of the top 75 (Zambrano, Montanez)
2002 had:
2 of the top 10 (Prior, Cruz)
5 of the top 50 (Choi, Kelton, Hill)
7 of the top 80 (Nic Jackson, Zambrano)
From the wayback machine, the 3rd most prolific year in recent history...
1990 had:
2 of the top 25 (Harkey, Ty Griffin)
5 of the top 75 (Earl Cunningham, Wilkins, Rick May)
4 of the top 20 would certainly be an historic occasion*
*Edited for buzzkill note:2011 Royals had 5 of the top 20 (Hosmer, Moustakas, Myers, Lamb and Montgomery.)
2006 DBacks had 4 of the top 20 (Upton, Drew, Conor Jackson, Quentin) and Chris Young at 23.
1993 Expos had 4 of the top 20 (Cliff Floyd, Wil Cordero, RonDL, Tavo Alvarez)
1992 Braves had 4 of the top 20 (Chipper, Klesko, Wohlers, Mike Kelly)
Quote from: PANK! on June 11, 2013, 01:10:49 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 11, 2013, 12:27:59 PM
SHIT'S GETTING REAL.
(http://oi41.tinypic.com/33u2vdu.jpg)
For reference, that guy is the "national prospect/player development writer for Baseball Prospectus."
Takes me to back to the Glory Days of 2001 when Baseball America was touting the Cubs farm system thanks to the obvious talent of Corey Patterson, Juan Cruz, Bobby Hill and Hee Seop Choi!*
*Okay, so Carlos Zambrano was also on this list, but still.
Come on. Patterson was good enough early to get us excited (and without him FYC would mean this (https://www.google.com/finance?q=fyc&ei=-nG3Uej7A5CjqQG1JQ) or Fine Young Cannibals), Cruz had a serviceable career and would have been in the 2004 rotation if not for the Maddux signing, and I don't know why anyone hates Aramis Ramirez and Derrek Lee.
It wasn't quite Palmeiro, Maddux, Moyer, Grace, Martinez, Berryhill and Girardi or Williams, Santo, Hubbs, Beckert, Kessinger and Brock, but it was a decent haul.
Quote from: PenPho on June 10, 2013, 09:44:27 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 10, 2013, 09:42:30 PM
Quote from: PenPho on June 10, 2013, 09:39:38 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 10, 2013, 09:35:43 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 10, 2013, 08:38:15 PM
Make that 4 home runs, which broke the conversion chart.
4-for-4, 4 HR, 7 RBI. Two solo homers, a two-run blast, and a three-run bomb.
Not terrible.
FYF!
TIME FOR CONCERN!
QuoteThe only other player to hit four home runs in a Florida State League game was another Cubs prospect, Ryan Harvey, who did so July 28, 2006, also for Daytona.
More importantly, he had his 26th error tonight as well.
Luckily, by the time he gets called up the NL will have the DH.
His 1st baseman sucks defensively.
HIS FOURTH HOME RUN LEADS TO SHOUTING DESPITE THE PRESENCE OF A VOICE-AMPLIFYING MICROPHONE (http://www.milb.com/multimedia/vpp.jsp?content_id=27922871&topic_id=&sid=milb&v=3&tcid=tw_video_)
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 10, 2013, 09:35:43 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 10, 2013, 08:38:15 PM
Make that 4 home runs, which broke the conversion chart.
4-for-4, 4 HR, 7 RBI. Two solo homers, a two-run blast, and a three-run bomb.
Not terrible.
Selfish.
Quote from: Shooter on June 11, 2013, 06:58:48 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 10, 2013, 09:35:43 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 10, 2013, 08:38:15 PM
Make that 4 home runs, which broke the conversion chart.
4-for-4, 4 HR, 7 RBI. Two solo homers, a two-run blast, and a three-run bomb.
Not terrible.
Selfish.
DAT'S FOUR RALLIES KILT DEAD IN ONE GAME MY FRENT
How will we ever compete at the big-league level when all of our best talent in Daytonna is going to Washington? (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130609/NEWS/306099992/1040?p=all&tc=pgall)
Quote from: thehawk on June 12, 2013, 08:55:29 AM
How will we ever compete at the big-league level when all of our best talent in Daytonna is going to Washington? (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130609/NEWS/306099992/1040?p=all&tc=pgall)
Even though it's a very visual and auditory story, there's no video so we can't hear his pitch or see him in action. What year is this? /journalism rant
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 12, 2013, 12:32:27 PM
Quote from: thehawk on June 12, 2013, 08:55:29 AM
How will we ever compete at the big-league level when all of our best talent in Daytonna is going to Washington? (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130609/NEWS/306099992/1040?p=all&tc=pgall)
Even though it's a very visual and auditory story, there's no video so we can't hear his pitch or see him in action. What year is this? /journalism rant
Have you seen the video of Baez's 4 homers in Daytona?
I've taken better quality videos with my FLIP PHONE.
I'm not convinced that sub-AAA ball is actually being played in this century.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 12, 2013, 12:38:21 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 12, 2013, 12:32:27 PM
Quote from: thehawk on June 12, 2013, 08:55:29 AM
How will we ever compete at the big-league level when all of our best talent in Daytonna is going to Washington? (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130609/NEWS/306099992/1040?p=all&tc=pgall)
Even though it's a very visual and auditory story, there's no video so we can't hear his pitch or see him in action. What year is this? /journalism rant
Have you seen the video of Baez's 4 homers in Daytona?
I've taken better quality videos with my FLIP PHONE.
I'm not convinced that sub-AAA ball is actually being played in this century.
I don't understand this PenPost at all. What does poor quality game video taken by low-paid, if at all, interns for a minor league team (for which coming up with broadcast-quality game video is an extremely low priority, if not the lowest) have to do with a professional news organization eschewing relatively cheap, not-so-new media tools to tell a story that practically begs for it?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 12, 2013, 12:43:21 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 12, 2013, 12:38:21 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 12, 2013, 12:32:27 PM
Quote from: thehawk on June 12, 2013, 08:55:29 AM
How will we ever compete at the big-league level when all of our best talent in Daytonna is going to Washington? (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130609/NEWS/306099992/1040?p=all&tc=pgall)
Even though it's a very visual and auditory story, there's no video so we can't hear his pitch or see him in action. What year is this? /journalism rant
Have you seen the video of Baez's 4 homers in Daytona?
I've taken better quality videos with my FLIP PHONE.
I'm not convinced that sub-AAA ball is actually being played in this century.
I don't understand this PenPost at all. What does poor quality game video taken by low-paid, if at all, interns for a minor league team (for which coming up with broadcast-quality game video is an extremely low priority, if not the lowest) have to do with a professional news organization eschewing relatively cheap, not-so-new media tools to tell a story that practically begs for it?
Someone has been putting some extra muscle in your frappucino for the past week or so.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 12, 2013, 12:43:21 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 12, 2013, 12:38:21 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 12, 2013, 12:32:27 PM
Quote from: thehawk on June 12, 2013, 08:55:29 AM
How will we ever compete at the big-league level when all of our best talent in Daytonna is going to Washington? (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130609/NEWS/306099992/1040?p=all&tc=pgall)
Even though it's a very visual and auditory story, there's no video so we can't hear his pitch or see him in action. What year is this? /journalism rant
Have you seen the video of Baez's 4 homers in Daytona?
I've taken better quality videos with my FLIP PHONE.
I'm not convinced that sub-AAA ball is actually being played in this century.
I don't understand this PenPost at all. What does poor quality game video taken by low-paid, if at all, interns for a minor league team (for which coming up with broadcast-quality game video is an extremely low priority, if not the lowest) have to do with a professional news organization eschewing relatively cheap, not-so-new media tools to tell a story that practically begs for it?
Sorry, I thought you linked to the Daytona Beach News-Journal.
The way Almora is abusing the Midwest League, here's hoping he gets a couple weeks in Daytona before Baez and Soler get brought up to Tennessee - we can all get turgid over the future of the Cubs together.
Speaking of turgid, a long read on Kris Bryant:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/college-player-of-the-year-kris-bryant/
Quote from: Eli on June 13, 2013, 09:18:05 AM
Speaking of turgid, a long read on Kris Bryant:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/college-player-of-the-year-kris-bryant/
"At age 9, Bryant hit seven home runs at a club tournament, and his father first recognized a fire burning inside him to become great."
Suck it Vitters, and your 500 ft homerun at age 10.
Quote from: Eli on June 13, 2013, 09:18:05 AM
Speaking of turgid, a long read on Kris Bryant:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/college-player-of-the-year-kris-bryant/
I'm not going to be able to stand up for at least 5 minutes.
QuoteBryant's total package—not just his top-of-the-charts power—makes him the kind of player that San Diego coach Rich Hill said "comes along once in a coach's career."
Come on, now, it can't be, can it?
Sadly, it's not. (http://usdtoreros.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/rich_hill_146012.html)
Quote from: morpheus on June 13, 2013, 12:44:03 PM
QuoteBryant's total package—not just his top-of-the-charts power—makes him the kind of player that San Diego coach Rich Hill said "comes along once in a coach's career."
Come on, now, it can't be, can it?
Sadly, it's not. (http://usdtoreros.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/rich_hill_146012.html)
While I'd normally put this in the Not Dead thread, Rich Hill is not only still alive, he's still pitching in the majors.
He's on the Indians and in fact, made an appearance last night.
Sadly, he's rocking a 7.79 ERA and 1.90 WHIP through 17 IPs so far this year.
Here's a photo of him from a recent appearance:
(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/KurtEvans/mitchhill-1.jpg)
Is Kurt still around anywhere? I sort of forgot about him.
Quote from: Eli on June 13, 2013, 01:18:42 PM
Is Kurt still around anywhere? I sort of forgot about him.
Goatriders has been shutdown for a while, last I knew.
Quote from: morpheus on June 13, 2013, 12:44:03 PM
QuoteBryant's total package—not just his top-of-the-charts power—makes him the kind of player that San Diego coach Rich Hill said "comes along once in a coach's career."
Come on, now, it can't be, can it?
Sadly, it's not. (http://usdtoreros.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/rich_hill_146012.html)
I was at the Cubs-Giants July 4th matinee at PacBell/SBC/AT&T/BarroidCove and sitting next to me was a guy who was at the game with his sister whom he was in visiting from Massachussets as Sean Gallagher was tossing watermelons to the San Francisco lineup, he noticed I seemed particularly invested in the Cubs, so he asked me what happened to Rich Hill. Told him he was some kind of Steve Blass-couldn't-find-the-plate headcase or whatever, and he told me he was Dick Mountain's HS math teacher.
/coolstorybro
Might be time to fire up the hatewagon soon on Kris Bryant (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/22534204/cubs-and-slugger-bryant-the-no-2-overall-pick-are-at-odds-in-talks) and Boras. The risk appel took coming back a year later didn't seem worth it, I'm not sure how Boras thinks he has some leverage here. Bryant arguably might not be a top 5 pick next year, and could get hurt or not play as well.
Quote from: BH on June 26, 2013, 12:33:15 PM
Might be time to fire up the hatewagon soon on Kris Bryant (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/22534204/cubs-and-slugger-bryant-the-no-2-overall-pick-are-at-odds-in-talks) and Boras. The risk appel took coming back a year later didn't seem worth it, I'm not sure how Boras thinks he has some leverage here. Bryant arguably might not be a top 5 pick next year, and could get hurt or not play as well.
There's virtually no upside to Bryant going back to school.
How can this be anything other than hoping Boras can make the Cubs blink?
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 26, 2013, 12:50:06 PM
Quote from: BH on June 26, 2013, 12:33:15 PM
Might be time to fire up the hatewagon soon on Kris Bryant (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/22534204/cubs-and-slugger-bryant-the-no-2-overall-pick-are-at-odds-in-talks) and Boras. The risk appel took coming back a year later didn't seem worth it, I'm not sure how Boras thinks he has some leverage here. Bryant arguably might not be a top 5 pick next year, and could get hurt or not play as well.
There's virtually no upside to Bryant going back to school.
How can this be anything other than hoping Boras can make the Cubs blink?
The deal isn't done yet because Boras took some time off from work to write a story under the name "Jon Heyman."
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 26, 2013, 12:58:18 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 26, 2013, 12:50:06 PM
Quote from: BH on June 26, 2013, 12:33:15 PM
Might be time to fire up the hatewagon soon on Kris Bryant (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/22534204/cubs-and-slugger-bryant-the-no-2-overall-pick-are-at-odds-in-talks) and Boras. The risk appel took coming back a year later didn't seem worth it, I'm not sure how Boras thinks he has some leverage here. Bryant arguably might not be a top 5 pick next year, and could get hurt or not play as well.
There's virtually no upside to Bryant going back to school.
How can this be anything other than hoping Boras can make the Cubs blink?
The deal isn't done yet because Boras took some time off from work to write a story under the name "Jon Heyman."
"...according to people familiar with the talks."
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 26, 2013, 12:50:06 PM
Quote from: BH on June 26, 2013, 12:33:15 PM
Might be time to fire up the hatewagon soon on Kris Bryant (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/22534204/cubs-and-slugger-bryant-the-no-2-overall-pick-are-at-odds-in-talks) and Boras. The risk appel took coming back a year later didn't seem worth it, I'm not sure how Boras thinks he has some leverage here. Bryant arguably might not be a top 5 pick next year, and could get hurt or not play as well.
There's virtually no upside to Bryant going back to school.
How can this be anything other than hoping Boras can make the Cubs blink?
This is neither of these guys' first rodeos. Boras knows he's got a team with a fuckload of resources with a guy who wants to get a deal done. Theo knows Boras has a huge talent whose best-case scenario is making NCAA pitching his bitch for another year and getting the same amount of dough as he'll get now. And the Cubs provide him not only a fast track to the Majors, but he won't have to carry the load himself once he gets here.
I don't see either of these guys walking away from this.
Quote from: Fork on June 26, 2013, 01:31:54 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 26, 2013, 12:50:06 PM
Quote from: BH on June 26, 2013, 12:33:15 PM
Might be time to fire up the hatewagon soon on Kris Bryant (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/22534204/cubs-and-slugger-bryant-the-no-2-overall-pick-are-at-odds-in-talks) and Boras. The risk appel took coming back a year later didn't seem worth it, I'm not sure how Boras thinks he has some leverage here. Bryant arguably might not be a top 5 pick next year, and could get hurt or not play as well.
There's virtually no upside to Bryant going back to school.
How can this be anything other than hoping Boras can make the Cubs blink?
This is neither of these guys' first rodeos. Boras knows he's got a team with a fuckload of resources with a guy who wants to get a deal done. Theo knows Boras has a huge talent whose best-case scenario is making NCAA pitching his bitch for another year and getting the same amount of dough as he'll get now. And the Cubs provide him not only a fast track to the Majors, but he won't have to carry the load himself once he gets here.
I don't see either of these guys walking away from this.
I think the Cubs have plenty of leverage over Bryant. The Cubs can just keep Vabuena.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 26, 2013, 01:41:00 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 26, 2013, 01:31:54 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 26, 2013, 12:50:06 PM
Quote from: BH on June 26, 2013, 12:33:15 PM
Might be time to fire up the hatewagon soon on Kris Bryant (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/22534204/cubs-and-slugger-bryant-the-no-2-overall-pick-are-at-odds-in-talks) and Boras. The risk appel took coming back a year later didn't seem worth it, I'm not sure how Boras thinks he has some leverage here. Bryant arguably might not be a top 5 pick next year, and could get hurt or not play as well.
There's virtually no upside to Bryant going back to school.
How can this be anything other than hoping Boras can make the Cubs blink?
This is neither of these guys' first rodeos. Boras knows he's got a team with a fuckload of resources with a guy who wants to get a deal done. Theo knows Boras has a huge talent whose best-case scenario is making NCAA pitching his bitch for another year and getting the same amount of dough as he'll get now. And the Cubs provide him not only a fast track to the Majors, but he won't have to carry the load himself once he gets here.
I don't see either of these guys walking away from this.
I think the Cubs have plenty of leverage over Bryant. The Cubs can just keep Vabuena.
The whole Vabuena?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 26, 2013, 01:43:16 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 26, 2013, 01:41:00 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 26, 2013, 01:31:54 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 26, 2013, 12:50:06 PM
Quote from: BH on June 26, 2013, 12:33:15 PM
Might be time to fire up the hatewagon soon on Kris Bryant (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/22534204/cubs-and-slugger-bryant-the-no-2-overall-pick-are-at-odds-in-talks) and Boras. The risk appel took coming back a year later didn't seem worth it, I'm not sure how Boras thinks he has some leverage here. Bryant arguably might not be a top 5 pick next year, and could get hurt or not play as well.
There's virtually no upside to Bryant going back to school.
How can this be anything other than hoping Boras can make the Cubs blink?
This is neither of these guys' first rodeos. Boras knows he's got a team with a fuckload of resources with a guy who wants to get a deal done. Theo knows Boras has a huge talent whose best-case scenario is making NCAA pitching his bitch for another year and getting the same amount of dough as he'll get now. And the Cubs provide him not only a fast track to the Majors, but he won't have to carry the load himself once he gets here.
I don't see either of these guys walking away from this.
I think the Cubs have plenty of leverage over Bryant. The Cubs can just keep Vabuena.
The whole Vabuena?
DERE'S NO L IN VABUENA, DAT GUY'S A WINNER MY FRENTS
Quote from: Fork on June 26, 2013, 03:06:33 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 26, 2013, 01:43:16 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 26, 2013, 01:41:00 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 26, 2013, 01:31:54 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 26, 2013, 12:50:06 PM
Quote from: BH on June 26, 2013, 12:33:15 PM
Might be time to fire up the hatewagon soon on Kris Bryant (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/22534204/cubs-and-slugger-bryant-the-no-2-overall-pick-are-at-odds-in-talks) and Boras. The risk appel took coming back a year later didn't seem worth it, I'm not sure how Boras thinks he has some leverage here. Bryant arguably might not be a top 5 pick next year, and could get hurt or not play as well.
There's virtually no upside to Bryant going back to school.
How can this be anything other than hoping Boras can make the Cubs blink?
This is neither of these guys' first rodeos. Boras knows he's got a team with a fuckload of resources with a guy who wants to get a deal done. Theo knows Boras has a huge talent whose best-case scenario is making NCAA pitching his bitch for another year and getting the same amount of dough as he'll get now. And the Cubs provide him not only a fast track to the Majors, but he won't have to carry the load himself once he gets here.
I don't see either of these guys walking away from this.
I think the Cubs have plenty of leverage over Bryant. The Cubs can just keep Vabuena.
The whole Vabuena?
DERE'S NO L IN VABUENA, DAT GUY'S A WINNER MY FRENTS
JES PAY BORUS A CODY RANSOM FOR HIM. IT'S KOBE FRIDGIN BRYANT FOR CRAPSSAKE.
Motherfucking Shitballs.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/eye-on-baseball/22547594
Soler has a stress fracture in his leg and might be done for the year.
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 27, 2013, 11:10:32 AM
Motherfucking Shitballs.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/eye-on-baseball/22547594
Soler has a stress fracture in his leg and might be done for the year.
Call Lou Manferdini!
Enjoy!
THE HONEYMOON IS OVER
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/51731516/
Quote from: Slaky on June 27, 2013, 12:15:37 PM
Enjoy!
THE HONEYMOON IS OVER
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/51731516/
I don't violently disagree with anything he's written there. The article doesn't really seem to have much to do with the title. Have I missed something?
Quote from: Tonker on June 27, 2013, 12:29:38 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 27, 2013, 12:15:37 PM
Enjoy!
THE HONEYMOON IS OVER
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/51731516/
I don't violently disagree with anything he's written there. The article doesn't really seem to have much to do with the title. Have I missed something?
The headline was written to get clicks (congrats to them). The article itself just rehashes the last 5 years of ineptitude. I don't think they match up either.
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 27, 2013, 11:10:32 AM
Motherfucking Shitballs.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/eye-on-baseball/22547594
Soler has a stress fracture in his leg and might be done for the year.
Given how well Puig and Cespedes are doing for their teams, it stands to reason that something like that would happen to the Cubs' Cuban.
Quote from: Eli on June 27, 2013, 12:42:04 PM
Quote from: Tonker on June 27, 2013, 12:29:38 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 27, 2013, 12:15:37 PM
Enjoy!
THE HONEYMOON IS OVER
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/51731516/
I don't violently disagree with anything he's written there. The article doesn't really seem to have much to do with the title. Have I missed something?
The headline was written to get clicks (congrats to them). The article itself just rehashes the last 5 years of ineptitude. I don't think they match up either.
They did the best they could. "How Many Tears, Theo?" was already taken.
Quote from: Eli on June 27, 2013, 12:42:04 PM
Quote from: Tonker on June 27, 2013, 12:29:38 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 27, 2013, 12:15:37 PM
Enjoy!
THE HONEYMOON IS OVER
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/51731516/
I don't violently disagree with anything he's written there. The article doesn't really seem to have much to do with the title. Have I missed something?
The headline was written to get clicks (congrats to them). The article itself just rehashes the last 5 years of ineptitude. I don't think they match up either.
That's what I though as well. But his defense of the article suggests he wanted to write an article to match the headline. https://twitter.com/harrypav/status/350297039130726400
DPD. Now that I've skimmed the article, I'm wondering when Theo and Jed ran over Jonathan Bernhardt's dog.
Quoteex-Padres GM Jed Hoyer (who is currently trying to deal Garza to the Padres for more of his guys)
Quote(the latest rumor is that Chicago's targeting San Diego outfielder Reymond Fuentes, another Hoyer guy, who is on his second try at AA).
Seems like a weird collateral swipe. Is there something wrong with getting "his guys"? Get Bernhardt's guys instead, you asshole.
Then he says you can blame them for the current major league roster, except Soriano, except Marmol. Most of the problems are injuries, so obviously that's all Dr. Epstein's fault for not keeping everyone healthy. He takes some shots at Kevin Gregg for some reason. I'm not sure why he thinks letting Gregg be the closer for a shitty team is apparently unforgivable. He points the finger at some other temporary fill-ins. It's almost as if temporary fill-ins don't always win games or stay healthy! Then he's very down on the extensions for Rizzo and the slumping Castro, which is fair. (Conveniently timed considering Castro's slump, but fair.) Still pretty early to start passing judgment on Rizzo, while Castro remains young enough to conceivably figure it out. Still though, committing all that money this early was arguably a mistake, but more so for Castro, as I think Rizzo will probably come pretty close to being worth his money at least. They took a gamble that might not work out for non-franchise-binding money. Sort of like the signing of Edwin Jackson, which he also hates.
Then there's this:
Quotehowever, the Cubs have made a number of moves that show they expected to at least be flirting with .500 right now.
Really? I don't think so.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 27, 2013, 01:50:14 PM
DPD. Now that I've skimmed the article, I'm wondering when Theo and Jed ran over Jonathan Bernhardt's dog.
Quoteex-Padres GM Jed Hoyer (who is currently trying to deal Garza to the Padres for more of his guys)
Quote(the latest rumor is that Chicago's targeting San Diego outfielder Reymond Fuentes, another Hoyer guy, who is on his second try at AA).
Seems like a weird collateral swipe. Is there something wrong with getting "his guys"? Get Bernhardt's guys instead, you asshole.
Then he says you can blame them for the current major league roster, except Soriano, except Marmol. Most of the problems are injuries, so obviously that's all Dr. Epstein's fault for not keeping everyone healthy. He takes some shots at Kevin Gregg for some reason. I'm not sure why he thinks letting Gregg be the closer for a shitty team is apparently unforgivable. He points the finger at some other temporary fill-ins. It's almost as if temporary fill-ins don't always win games or stay healthy! Then he's very down on the extensions for Rizzo and the slumping Castro, which is fair. (Conveniently timed considering Castro's slump, but fair.) Still pretty early to start passing judgment on Rizzo, while Castro remains young enough to conceivably figure it out. Still though, committing all that money this early was arguably a mistake, but more so for Castro, as I think Rizzo will probably come pretty close to being worth his money at least. They took a gamble that might not work out for non-franchise-binding money. Sort of like the signing of Edwin Jackson, which he also hates.
Then there's this:
Quotehowever, the Cubs have made a number of moves that show they expected to at least be flirting with .500 right now.
Really? I don't think so.
A number of moves: He names two. Jackson and Fujikawa. Neither of which apply.
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 27, 2013, 02:07:26 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 27, 2013, 01:50:14 PM
DPD. Now that I've skimmed the article, I'm wondering when Theo and Jed ran over Jonathan Bernhardt's dog.
Quoteex-Padres GM Jed Hoyer (who is currently trying to deal Garza to the Padres for more of his guys)
Quote(the latest rumor is that Chicago's targeting San Diego outfielder Reymond Fuentes, another Hoyer guy, who is on his second try at AA).
Seems like a weird collateral swipe. Is there something wrong with getting "his guys"? Get Bernhardt's guys instead, you asshole.
Then he says you can blame them for the current major league roster, except Soriano, except Marmol. Most of the problems are injuries, so obviously that's all Dr. Epstein's fault for not keeping everyone healthy. He takes some shots at Kevin Gregg for some reason. I'm not sure why he thinks letting Gregg be the closer for a shitty team is apparently unforgivable. He points the finger at some other temporary fill-ins. It's almost as if temporary fill-ins don't always win games or stay healthy! Then he's very down on the extensions for Rizzo and the slumping Castro, which is fair. (Conveniently timed considering Castro's slump, but fair.) Still pretty early to start passing judgment on Rizzo, while Castro remains young enough to conceivably figure it out. Still though, committing all that money this early was arguably a mistake, but more so for Castro, as I think Rizzo will probably come pretty close to being worth his money at least. They took a gamble that might not work out for non-franchise-binding money. Sort of like the signing of Edwin Jackson, which he also hates.
Then there's this:
Quotehowever, the Cubs have made a number of moves that show they expected to at least be flirting with .500 right now.
Really? I don't think so.
A number of moves: He names two. Jackson and Fujikawa. Neither of which apply.
It's a bizarre article when you consider it's been LESS THAN A YEAR AND A HALF.
Invoking Kevin Gregg's name in an article about what I suppose is the author's take on a rebuilding failure (?) is complete horseshit. He's a no one. A retread meant to get outs while they figure out who they can flip.
Who the hell expected the Cubs to be .500? How many times has the front office said there's no reason to win 75 games instead of 72 or 65 or whatever.
Quote from: Slaky on June 27, 2013, 02:13:39 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 27, 2013, 02:07:26 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 27, 2013, 01:50:14 PM
DPD. Now that I've skimmed the article, I'm wondering when Theo and Jed ran over Jonathan Bernhardt's dog.
Quoteex-Padres GM Jed Hoyer (who is currently trying to deal Garza to the Padres for more of his guys)
Quote(the latest rumor is that Chicago's targeting San Diego outfielder Reymond Fuentes, another Hoyer guy, who is on his second try at AA).
Seems like a weird collateral swipe. Is there something wrong with getting "his guys"? Get Bernhardt's guys instead, you asshole.
Then he says you can blame them for the current major league roster, except Soriano, except Marmol. Most of the problems are injuries, so obviously that's all Dr. Epstein's fault for not keeping everyone healthy. He takes some shots at Kevin Gregg for some reason. I'm not sure why he thinks letting Gregg be the closer for a shitty team is apparently unforgivable. He points the finger at some other temporary fill-ins. It's almost as if temporary fill-ins don't always win games or stay healthy! Then he's very down on the extensions for Rizzo and the slumping Castro, which is fair. (Conveniently timed considering Castro's slump, but fair.) Still pretty early to start passing judgment on Rizzo, while Castro remains young enough to conceivably figure it out. Still though, committing all that money this early was arguably a mistake, but more so for Castro, as I think Rizzo will probably come pretty close to being worth his money at least. They took a gamble that might not work out for non-franchise-binding money. Sort of like the signing of Edwin Jackson, which he also hates.
Then there's this:
Quotehowever, the Cubs have made a number of moves that show they expected to at least be flirting with .500 right now.
Really? I don't think so.
A number of moves: He names two. Jackson and Fujikawa. Neither of which apply.
It's a bizarre article when you consider it's been LESS THAN A YEAR AND A HALF.
Invoking Kevin Gregg's name in an article about what I suppose is the author's take on a rebuilding failure (?) is complete horseshit. He's a no one. A retread meant to get outs while they figure out who they can flip.
Who the hell expected the Cubs to be .500? How many times has the front office said there's no reason to win 75 games instead of 72 or 65 or whatever.
You could argue Gregg was an incredible pickup, we picked him off the scrap heap and he will be traded for a decent prospect from a playoff team that needs help.
Also, I'm pretty sure Huey wants a team that is .500, but he's the only one. I'd rather have 2 more years of crap teams, high draft picks.
Quote from: BH on June 27, 2013, 02:28:11 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 27, 2013, 02:13:39 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 27, 2013, 02:07:26 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 27, 2013, 01:50:14 PM
DPD. Now that I've skimmed the article, I'm wondering when Theo and Jed ran over Jonathan Bernhardt's dog.
Quoteex-Padres GM Jed Hoyer (who is currently trying to deal Garza to the Padres for more of his guys)
Quote(the latest rumor is that Chicago's targeting San Diego outfielder Reymond Fuentes, another Hoyer guy, who is on his second try at AA).
Seems like a weird collateral swipe. Is there something wrong with getting "his guys"? Get Bernhardt's guys instead, you asshole.
Then he says you can blame them for the current major league roster, except Soriano, except Marmol. Most of the problems are injuries, so obviously that's all Dr. Epstein's fault for not keeping everyone healthy. He takes some shots at Kevin Gregg for some reason. I'm not sure why he thinks letting Gregg be the closer for a shitty team is apparently unforgivable. He points the finger at some other temporary fill-ins. It's almost as if temporary fill-ins don't always win games or stay healthy! Then he's very down on the extensions for Rizzo and the slumping Castro, which is fair. (Conveniently timed considering Castro's slump, but fair.) Still pretty early to start passing judgment on Rizzo, while Castro remains young enough to conceivably figure it out. Still though, committing all that money this early was arguably a mistake, but more so for Castro, as I think Rizzo will probably come pretty close to being worth his money at least. They took a gamble that might not work out for non-franchise-binding money. Sort of like the signing of Edwin Jackson, which he also hates.
Then there's this:
Quotehowever, the Cubs have made a number of moves that show they expected to at least be flirting with .500 right now.
Really? I don't think so.
A number of moves: He names two. Jackson and Fujikawa. Neither of which apply.
It's a bizarre article when you consider it's been LESS THAN A YEAR AND A HALF.
Invoking Kevin Gregg's name in an article about what I suppose is the author's take on a rebuilding failure (?) is complete horseshit. He's a no one. A retread meant to get outs while they figure out who they can flip.
Who the hell expected the Cubs to be .500? How many times has the front office said there's no reason to win 75 games instead of 72 or 65 or whatever.
You could argue Gregg was an incredible pickup, we picked him off the scrap heap and he will be traded for a decent prospect from a playoff team that needs help.
Also, I'm pretty sure Huey wants a team that is .500, but he's the only one. I'd rather have 2 more years of crap teams, high draft picks.
I think I can recall at least two or three times this season where the Cubs' Pythagorean record had them somewhere either at .500 or one game below that number.
The current team is not godawful like the Marlins, but they could have been a bit better this year save for their bullpen woes.
But even if they were .500, it doesn't really matter by this point. A winning season or .500 season would be nice, certainly, but it does nothing in the big picture to affect the overall plan.
When the team looks like what Theo/Jed had in mind at the beginning of what they considered to be their contending time frame, then I'll give a shit about the record. Until then, BFD.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 27, 2013, 02:33:21 PM
Quote from: BH on June 27, 2013, 02:28:11 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 27, 2013, 02:13:39 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 27, 2013, 02:07:26 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 27, 2013, 01:50:14 PM
DPD. Now that I've skimmed the article, I'm wondering when Theo and Jed ran over Jonathan Bernhardt's dog.
Quoteex-Padres GM Jed Hoyer (who is currently trying to deal Garza to the Padres for more of his guys)
Quote(the latest rumor is that Chicago's targeting San Diego outfielder Reymond Fuentes, another Hoyer guy, who is on his second try at AA).
Seems like a weird collateral swipe. Is there something wrong with getting "his guys"? Get Bernhardt's guys instead, you asshole.
Then he says you can blame them for the current major league roster, except Soriano, except Marmol. Most of the problems are injuries, so obviously that's all Dr. Epstein's fault for not keeping everyone healthy. He takes some shots at Kevin Gregg for some reason. I'm not sure why he thinks letting Gregg be the closer for a shitty team is apparently unforgivable. He points the finger at some other temporary fill-ins. It's almost as if temporary fill-ins don't always win games or stay healthy! Then he's very down on the extensions for Rizzo and the slumping Castro, which is fair. (Conveniently timed considering Castro's slump, but fair.) Still pretty early to start passing judgment on Rizzo, while Castro remains young enough to conceivably figure it out. Still though, committing all that money this early was arguably a mistake, but more so for Castro, as I think Rizzo will probably come pretty close to being worth his money at least. They took a gamble that might not work out for non-franchise-binding money. Sort of like the signing of Edwin Jackson, which he also hates.
Then there's this:
Quotehowever, the Cubs have made a number of moves that show they expected to at least be flirting with .500 right now.
Really? I don't think so.
A number of moves: He names two. Jackson and Fujikawa. Neither of which apply.
It's a bizarre article when you consider it's been LESS THAN A YEAR AND A HALF.
Invoking Kevin Gregg's name in an article about what I suppose is the author's take on a rebuilding failure (?) is complete horseshit. He's a no one. A retread meant to get outs while they figure out who they can flip.
Who the hell expected the Cubs to be .500? How many times has the front office said there's no reason to win 75 games instead of 72 or 65 or whatever.
You could argue Gregg was an incredible pickup, we picked him off the scrap heap and he will be traded for a decent prospect from a playoff team that needs help.
Also, I'm pretty sure Huey wants a team that is .500, but he's the only one. I'd rather have 2 more years of crap teams, high draft picks.
I think I can recall at least two or three times this season where the Cubs' Pythagorean record had them somewhere either at .500 or one game below that number.
The current team is not godawful like the Marlins, but they could have been a bit better this year save for their bullpen woes.
But even if they were .500, it doesn't really matter by this point. A winning season or .500 season would be nice, certainly, but it does nothing in the big picture to affect the overall plan.
When the team looks like what Theo/Jed had in mind at the beginning of what they considered to be their contending time frame, then I'll give a shit about the record. Until then, BFD.
If anything, it hurts the plan by diminishing the value they could have by picking later in the draft. Punt on this season and next for all I care.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 27, 2013, 02:35:33 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 27, 2013, 02:33:21 PM
Quote from: BH on June 27, 2013, 02:28:11 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 27, 2013, 02:13:39 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 27, 2013, 02:07:26 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 27, 2013, 01:50:14 PM
DPD. Now that I've skimmed the article, I'm wondering when Theo and Jed ran over Jonathan Bernhardt's dog.
Quoteex-Padres GM Jed Hoyer (who is currently trying to deal Garza to the Padres for more of his guys)
Quote(the latest rumor is that Chicago's targeting San Diego outfielder Reymond Fuentes, another Hoyer guy, who is on his second try at AA).
Seems like a weird collateral swipe. Is there something wrong with getting "his guys"? Get Bernhardt's guys instead, you asshole.
Then he says you can blame them for the current major league roster, except Soriano, except Marmol. Most of the problems are injuries, so obviously that's all Dr. Epstein's fault for not keeping everyone healthy. He takes some shots at Kevin Gregg for some reason. I'm not sure why he thinks letting Gregg be the closer for a shitty team is apparently unforgivable. He points the finger at some other temporary fill-ins. It's almost as if temporary fill-ins don't always win games or stay healthy! Then he's very down on the extensions for Rizzo and the slumping Castro, which is fair. (Conveniently timed considering Castro's slump, but fair.) Still pretty early to start passing judgment on Rizzo, while Castro remains young enough to conceivably figure it out. Still though, committing all that money this early was arguably a mistake, but more so for Castro, as I think Rizzo will probably come pretty close to being worth his money at least. They took a gamble that might not work out for non-franchise-binding money. Sort of like the signing of Edwin Jackson, which he also hates.
Then there's this:
Quotehowever, the Cubs have made a number of moves that show they expected to at least be flirting with .500 right now.
Really? I don't think so.
A number of moves: He names two. Jackson and Fujikawa. Neither of which apply.
It's a bizarre article when you consider it's been LESS THAN A YEAR AND A HALF.
Invoking Kevin Gregg's name in an article about what I suppose is the author's take on a rebuilding failure (?) is complete horseshit. He's a no one. A retread meant to get outs while they figure out who they can flip.
Who the hell expected the Cubs to be .500? How many times has the front office said there's no reason to win 75 games instead of 72 or 65 or whatever.
You could argue Gregg was an incredible pickup, we picked him off the scrap heap and he will be traded for a decent prospect from a playoff team that needs help.
Also, I'm pretty sure Huey wants a team that is .500, but he's the only one. I'd rather have 2 more years of crap teams, high draft picks.
I think I can recall at least two or three times this season where the Cubs' Pythagorean record had them somewhere either at .500 or one game below that number.
The current team is not godawful like the Marlins, but they could have been a bit better this year save for their bullpen woes.
But even if they were .500, it doesn't really matter by this point. A winning season or .500 season would be nice, certainly, but it does nothing in the big picture to affect the overall plan.
When the team looks like what Theo/Jed had in mind at the beginning of what they considered to be their contending time frame, then I'll give a shit about the record. Until then, BFD.
If anything, it hurts the plan by diminishing the value they could have by picking later in the draft. Punt on this season and next for all I care.
You're right. DATS WHY ILL BE WEARING MY A'S HAT NEXT WEEK, MY FRENTS!!
Quote from: BH on June 27, 2013, 02:28:11 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 27, 2013, 02:13:39 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 27, 2013, 02:07:26 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 27, 2013, 01:50:14 PM
DPD. Now that I've skimmed the article, I'm wondering when Theo and Jed ran over Jonathan Bernhardt's dog.
Quoteex-Padres GM Jed Hoyer (who is currently trying to deal Garza to the Padres for more of his guys)
Quote(the latest rumor is that Chicago's targeting San Diego outfielder Reymond Fuentes, another Hoyer guy, who is on his second try at AA).
Seems like a weird collateral swipe. Is there something wrong with getting "his guys"? Get Bernhardt's guys instead, you asshole.
Then he says you can blame them for the current major league roster, except Soriano, except Marmol. Most of the problems are injuries, so obviously that's all Dr. Epstein's fault for not keeping everyone healthy. He takes some shots at Kevin Gregg for some reason. I'm not sure why he thinks letting Gregg be the closer for a shitty team is apparently unforgivable. He points the finger at some other temporary fill-ins. It's almost as if temporary fill-ins don't always win games or stay healthy! Then he's very down on the extensions for Rizzo and the slumping Castro, which is fair. (Conveniently timed considering Castro's slump, but fair.) Still pretty early to start passing judgment on Rizzo, while Castro remains young enough to conceivably figure it out. Still though, committing all that money this early was arguably a mistake, but more so for Castro, as I think Rizzo will probably come pretty close to being worth his money at least. They took a gamble that might not work out for non-franchise-binding money. Sort of like the signing of Edwin Jackson, which he also hates.
Then there's this:
Quotehowever, the Cubs have made a number of moves that show they expected to at least be flirting with .500 right now.
Really? I don't think so.
A number of moves: He names two. Jackson and Fujikawa. Neither of which apply.
It's a bizarre article when you consider it's been LESS THAN A YEAR AND A HALF.
Invoking Kevin Gregg's name in an article about what I suppose is the author's take on a rebuilding failure (?) is complete horseshit. He's a no one. A retread meant to get outs while they figure out who they can flip.
Who the hell expected the Cubs to be .500? How many times has the front office said there's no reason to win 75 games instead of 72 or 65 or whatever.
You could argue Gregg was an incredible pickup, we picked him off the scrap heap and he will be traded for a decent prospect from a playoff team that needs help.
Also, I'm pretty sure Huey wants a team that is .500, but he's the only one. I'd rather have 2 more years of crap teams, high draft picks.
He has been a great pickup. A few of the replacement level players have done better than they were supposed to. Gregg is one, Valbuena, Ransom, and Ryan Sweeney are all hitting pretty well despite being AAAA type guys.
So with a roster full of those types who the hell was expecting some kind of miracle turnaround to suggest some metaphorical ship was being righted? The work is being done at the lower levels.
The author was grilled on Twitter by two very smart dudes who I like to hear talk about baseball and the author's contention was like Al's: prospects fail and the Cubs don't have a lot of pitching depth.
NO SHIT. Where are they supposed to come from? How about...the draft? And trades?
That's why you acquire MANY prospects.
Maybe I'm the crazy one here.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 27, 2013, 02:35:33 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 27, 2013, 02:33:21 PM
When the team looks like what Theo/Jed had in mind at the beginning of what they considered to be their contending time frame, then I'll give a shit about the record. Until then, BFD.
If anything, it hurts the plan by diminishing the value they could have by picking later in the draft. Punt on this season and next for all I care.
And it hurts the ability to sign free agents. Theo said he wants to either win or get a protected (bottom 9 record) pick. I'm with him. Being .500 is detrimental to this team at present.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 27, 2013, 02:38:50 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 27, 2013, 02:35:33 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 27, 2013, 02:33:21 PM
When the team looks like what Theo/Jed had in mind at the beginning of what they considered to be their contending time frame, then I'll give a shit about the record. Until then, BFD.
If anything, it hurts the plan by diminishing the value they could have by picking later in the draft. Punt on this season and next for all I care.
And it hurts the ability to sign free agents. Theo said he wants to either win or get a protected (bottom 9 record) pick. I'm with him. Being .500 is detrimental to this team at present.
How does it hurt?
Quote from: BH on June 27, 2013, 02:39:48 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 27, 2013, 02:38:50 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 27, 2013, 02:35:33 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 27, 2013, 02:33:21 PM
When the team looks like what Theo/Jed had in mind at the beginning of what they considered to be their contending time frame, then I'll give a shit about the record. Until then, BFD.
If anything, it hurts the plan by diminishing the value they could have by picking later in the draft. Punt on this season and next for all I care.
And it hurts the ability to sign free agents. Theo said he wants to either win or get a protected (bottom 9 record) pick. I'm with him. Being .500 is detrimental to this team at present.
How does it hurt?
The evidence would suggest that at this point, it hasn't limited their capacity to do so.
Granted they're not targeting high-profile guys who would probably say no to a rebuilding team, but they've still been able to get the AAAA-type and decent MLB-caliber players so far.
They just have to pay a bit above market for them.
Before we all slob Kevin Gregg down. And I know I'm just dying to do so, I think his inclusion in the article was meant to illustrate the lack of organizational pitching depth, which is a big problem, but not Theo and Jed's fault.
Also, Gregg sucks. I just pray his regression happens sometime after July 31. Then I'll get in line to blow him.
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 27, 2013, 02:51:02 PM
Before we all slob Kevin Gregg down. And I know I'm just dying to do so, I think his inclusion in the article was meant to illustrate the lack of organizational pitching depth, which is a big problem, but not Theo and Jed's fault.
Also, Gregg sucks. I just pray his regression happens sometime after July 31. Then I'll get in line to blow him.
Don't get me wrong, I want him to go away. You can make the case that his role on the team speaks to the lack of depth. Many things speak to that.
You could also argue that the role of closer on a horseshit baseball team is hardly worth thinking about.
Quote from: Slaky on June 27, 2013, 02:55:33 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 27, 2013, 02:51:02 PM
Before we all slob Kevin Gregg down. And I know I'm just dying to do so, I think his inclusion in the article was meant to illustrate the lack of organizational pitching depth, which is a big problem, but not Theo and Jed's fault.
Also, Gregg sucks. I just pray his regression happens sometime after July 31. Then I'll get in line to blow him.
Don't get me wrong, I want him to go away. You can make the case that his role on the team speaks to the lack of depth. Many things speak to that.
You could also argue that the role of closer on a horseshit baseball team is hardly worth thinking about.
I definitely try not to. But Fantasy Baseball...
Quote from: BH on June 27, 2013, 02:39:48 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 27, 2013, 02:38:50 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 27, 2013, 02:35:33 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 27, 2013, 02:33:21 PM
When the team looks like what Theo/Jed had in mind at the beginning of what they considered to be their contending time frame, then I'll give a shit about the record. Until then, BFD.
If anything, it hurts the plan by diminishing the value they could have by picking later in the draft. Punt on this season and next for all I care.
And it hurts the ability to sign free agents. Theo said he wants to either win or get a protected (bottom 9 record) pick. I'm with him. Being .500 is detrimental to this team at present.
How does it hurt?
Ignore him. "free agents" = "Robinson Fucking Cano"
Quote from: Slaky on June 27, 2013, 02:55:33 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 27, 2013, 02:51:02 PM
Before we all slob Kevin Gregg down. And I know I'm just dying to do so, I think his inclusion in the article was meant to illustrate the lack of organizational pitching depth, which is a big problem, but not Theo and Jed's fault.
Also, Gregg sucks. I just pray his regression happens sometime after July 31. Then I'll get in line to blow him.
Don't get me wrong, I want him to go away. You can make the case that his role on the team speaks to the lack of depth. Many things speak to that.
You could also argue that the role of closer on a horseshit baseball team is hardly worth thinking about.
You could also argue that since his call-up on April 19th, he's been the best closer in baseball.
There's certainly other guys in that argument (Grilli, Mujica, Perkins) but his numbers rival any of those.
But, then you'd find yourself in an argument about Kevin Gregg like a common Yeti and you've already lost.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 27, 2013, 03:12:31 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 27, 2013, 02:55:33 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 27, 2013, 02:51:02 PM
Before we all slob Kevin Gregg down. And I know I'm just dying to do so, I think his inclusion in the article was meant to illustrate the lack of organizational pitching depth, which is a big problem, but not Theo and Jed's fault.
Also, Gregg sucks. I just pray his regression happens sometime after July 31. Then I'll get in line to blow him.
Don't get me wrong, I want him to go away. You can make the case that his role on the team speaks to the lack of depth. Many things speak to that.
You could also argue that the role of closer on a horseshit baseball team is hardly worth thinking about.
You could also argue that since his call-up on April 19th, he's been the best closer in baseball.
There's certainly other guys in that argument (Grilli, Mujica, Perkins) but his numbers rival any of those.
But, then you'd find yourself in an argument about Kevin Gregg like a common Yeti and you've already lost.
Right. And finding a guy like Gregg to come in for next to nothing and perform well is apparently bad.
Quote from: Slaky on June 27, 2013, 03:15:52 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 27, 2013, 03:12:31 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 27, 2013, 02:55:33 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 27, 2013, 02:51:02 PM
Before we all slob Kevin Gregg down. And I know I'm just dying to do so, I think his inclusion in the article was meant to illustrate the lack of organizational pitching depth, which is a big problem, but not Theo and Jed's fault.
Also, Gregg sucks. I just pray his regression happens sometime after July 31. Then I'll get in line to blow him.
Don't get me wrong, I want him to go away. You can make the case that his role on the team speaks to the lack of depth. Many things speak to that.
You could also argue that the role of closer on a horseshit baseball team is hardly worth thinking about.
You could also argue that since his call-up on April 19th, he's been the best closer in baseball.
There's certainly other guys in that argument (Grilli, Mujica, Perkins) but his numbers rival any of those.
But, then you'd find yourself in an argument about Kevin Gregg like a common Yeti and you've already lost.
Right. And finding a guy like Gregg to come in for next to nothing and perform well is apparently bad.
The bloom is off the Epstink rose.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 27, 2013, 03:19:58 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 27, 2013, 03:15:52 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 27, 2013, 03:12:31 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 27, 2013, 02:55:33 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 27, 2013, 02:51:02 PM
Before we all slob Kevin Gregg down. And I know I'm just dying to do so, I think his inclusion in the article was meant to illustrate the lack of organizational pitching depth, which is a big problem, but not Theo and Jed's fault.
Also, Gregg sucks. I just pray his regression happens sometime after July 31. Then I'll get in line to blow him.
Don't get me wrong, I want him to go away. You can make the case that his role on the team speaks to the lack of depth. Many things speak to that.
You could also argue that the role of closer on a horseshit baseball team is hardly worth thinking about.
You could also argue that since his call-up on April 19th, he's been the best closer in baseball.
There's certainly other guys in that argument (Grilli, Mujica, Perkins) but his numbers rival any of those.
But, then you'd find yourself in an argument about Kevin Gregg like a common Yeti and you've already lost.
Right. And finding a guy like Gregg to come in for next to nothing and perform well is apparently bad.
The bloom is off the Epstink rose.
I hate this so much.
The good gambles so far (Feldman, Wood, Villanueva, Schierholtz, Maholm and Gregg) have all been really good in that they all can (or have been) flipped for prospects or have some potential future value to this team.
Bad gambles so far (Baker, Stewart) were relatively cheap and the cost of "playing the game" this way.
Those are damn good odds.
Other than the E-Jax signing, which I still patently hate, I have no bones to pick with this leadership team.
That said, if the Astros pull off a more impressive turnaround than the Cubs, all bets are off.
Quote from: BH on June 27, 2013, 02:39:48 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 27, 2013, 02:38:50 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 27, 2013, 02:35:33 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 27, 2013, 02:33:21 PM
When the team looks like what Theo/Jed had in mind at the beginning of what they considered to be their contending time frame, then I'll give a shit about the record. Until then, BFD.
If anything, it hurts the plan by diminishing the value they could have by picking later in the draft. Punt on this season and next for all I care.
And it hurts the ability to sign free agents. Theo said he wants to either win or get a protected (bottom 9 record) pick. I'm with him. Being .500 is detrimental to this team at present.
How does it hurt?
If you sign a free agent who declined a qualifying offer from his former club, teams must forfeit their first draft pick. you lose your #1 pick unless you have one of the nine worst records in MLB. Those picks are protected and you can't lose it no matter who you sign.
Edit: Per http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/09/bottom-nine-teams-obtain-protected-picks.html , the top nine was a 2013-specific quirk due to the Pirates. It's actually the top ten.
“A Club that signs one Qualified Free Agent who is subject to compensation shall forfeit its highest available selection in the next Rule 4 Draft,” the CBA reads. “Notwithstanding the above, a Club shall not be required to forfeit a selection in the top ten of the first round.”
Top first round selections are especially valuable under baseball’s CBA. Not only does a top-ten draft choice provide teams with a wider selection of players, it assures them of a protected pick, regardless of what happens in free agency.
While the top ten selections cannot be forfeited as draft pick compensation, picks from 11 on are vulnerable.
Here's how qualifying offers work. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/05/qualifying-offers-for-free-agents.html Basically, any player that's offered a 1 year deal of around $13mm within 5 days of the end of the World Series has a qualifying offer. If the Cubs finish with a record 20th or better and sign a free agent to a per annum salary of over $13mm, they'd likely lose their 2014 #1 pick.
As dumb as articles like this one and Al's are, it's kind of surprising you don't see more of them. They are attempting a slow fix in a world with ADD. Most everyone seems to understand the plan and be on board.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 27, 2013, 03:37:09 PM
Quote from: BH on June 27, 2013, 02:39:48 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 27, 2013, 02:38:50 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 27, 2013, 02:35:33 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 27, 2013, 02:33:21 PM
When the team looks like what Theo/Jed had in mind at the beginning of what they considered to be their contending time frame, then I'll give a shit about the record. Until then, BFD.
If anything, it hurts the plan by diminishing the value they could have by picking later in the draft. Punt on this season and next for all I care.
And it hurts the ability to sign free agents. Theo said he wants to either win or get a protected (bottom 9 record) pick. I'm with him. Being .500 is detrimental to this team at present.
How does it hurt?
If you sign a free agent who declined a qualifying offer from his former club, teams must forfeit their first draft pick. you lose your #1 pick unless you have one of the nine worst records in MLB. Those picks are protected and you can't lose it no matter who you sign.
Edit: Per http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/09/bottom-nine-teams-obtain-protected-picks.html , the top nine was a 2013-specific quirk due to the Pirates. It's actually the top ten.
"A Club that signs one Qualified Free Agent who is subject to compensation shall forfeit its highest available selection in the next Rule 4 Draft," the CBA reads. "Notwithstanding the above, a Club shall not be required to forfeit a selection in the top ten of the first round."
Top first round selections are especially valuable under baseball's CBA. Not only does a top-ten draft choice provide teams with a wider selection of players, it assures them of a protected pick, regardless of what happens in free agency.
While the top ten selections cannot be forfeited as draft pick compensation, picks from 11 on are vulnerable.
Here's how qualifying offers work. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/05/qualifying-offers-for-free-agents.html Basically, any player that's offered a 1 year deal of around $13mm within 5 days of the end of the World Series has a qualifying offer. If the Cubs finish with a record 20th or better and sign a free agent to a per annum salary of over $13mm, they'd likely lose their 2014 #1 pick.
Chuck is actually right in that it makes it less fortuitous to sign some free agents. I don't know if hurts their ability to do so, exactly. It does decrease its advisability.
It hurts their ability to improve via free agency.
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 27, 2013, 04:33:56 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 27, 2013, 03:37:09 PM
Quote from: BH on June 27, 2013, 02:39:48 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 27, 2013, 02:38:50 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 27, 2013, 02:35:33 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on June 27, 2013, 02:33:21 PM
When the team looks like what Theo/Jed had in mind at the beginning of what they considered to be their contending time frame, then I'll give a shit about the record. Until then, BFD.
If anything, it hurts the plan by diminishing the value they could have by picking later in the draft. Punt on this season and next for all I care.
And it hurts the ability to sign free agents. Theo said he wants to either win or get a protected (bottom 9 record) pick. I'm with him. Being .500 is detrimental to this team at present.
How does it hurt?
If you sign a free agent who declined a qualifying offer from his former club, teams must forfeit their first draft pick. you lose your #1 pick unless you have one of the nine worst records in MLB. Those picks are protected and you can't lose it no matter who you sign.
Edit: Per http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/09/bottom-nine-teams-obtain-protected-picks.html , the top nine was a 2013-specific quirk due to the Pirates. It's actually the top ten.
"A Club that signs one Qualified Free Agent who is subject to compensation shall forfeit its highest available selection in the next Rule 4 Draft," the CBA reads. "Notwithstanding the above, a Club shall not be required to forfeit a selection in the top ten of the first round."
Top first round selections are especially valuable under baseball's CBA. Not only does a top-ten draft choice provide teams with a wider selection of players, it assures them of a protected pick, regardless of what happens in free agency.
While the top ten selections cannot be forfeited as draft pick compensation, picks from 11 on are vulnerable.
Here's how qualifying offers work. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/05/qualifying-offers-for-free-agents.html Basically, any player that's offered a 1 year deal of around $13mm within 5 days of the end of the World Series has a qualifying offer. If the Cubs finish with a record 20th or better and sign a free agent to a per annum salary of over $13mm, they'd likely lose their 2014 #1 pick.
Chuck is actually right in that it makes it less fortuitous to sign some free agents. I don't know if hurts their ability to do so, exactly. It does decrease its advisability.
It hurts their ability to improve via free agency.
In the abstract, natch.
Jim Callis pumps the brakes (https://twitter.com/jimcallisBA/status/350428672106299392) a little bit on the Bryant-Boras hatewagon.
Quote from: @jimcallisBA#Cubs will sign him, but might be last 1st-rder to get done. @chrislowy: Is Bryant the next? #mlbdraft
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 28, 2013, 01:27:10 PM
Jim Callis pumps the brakes (https://twitter.com/jimcallisBA/status/350428672106299392) a little bit on the Bryant-Boras hatewagon.
Quote from: @jimcallisBA#Cubs will sign him, but might be last 1st-rder to get done. @chrislowy: Is Bryant the next? #mlbdraft
Boooo I hate people trying to make as much money as possible boooooooooo.
Quote from: Internet Apex on June 27, 2013, 04:33:56 PM
Chuck is actually right in that it makes it less fortuitous to sign some free agents. I don't know if hurts their ability to do so, exactly. It does decrease its advisability.
It hurts their ability to improve via free agency.
To say it more accurately, finishing with the 20th best record or better significantly reduces the incentive to sign high-cost free agents. Not signing those players or losing a high draft pick would likely make the organization's turnaround take longer. It's better to have a lousy record than a mediocre record.
Quote from: Slaky on June 28, 2013, 01:33:08 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 28, 2013, 01:27:10 PM
Jim Callis pumps the brakes (https://twitter.com/jimcallisBA/status/350428672106299392) a little bit on the Bryant-Boras hatewagon.
Quote from: @jimcallisBA#Cubs will sign him, but might be last 1st-rder to get done. @chrislowy: Is Bryant the next? #mlbdraft
Boooo I hate people trying to make as much money as possible boooooooooo.
Welcome to the Republican (or at least the Libertarian) Party.
Quote from: Brownie on June 28, 2013, 03:27:42 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 28, 2013, 01:33:08 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 28, 2013, 01:27:10 PM
Jim Callis pumps the brakes (https://twitter.com/jimcallisBA/status/350428672106299392) a little bit on the Bryant-Boras hatewagon.
Quote from: @jimcallisBA#Cubs will sign him, but might be last 1st-rder to get done. @chrislowy: Is Bryant the next? #mlbdraft
Boooo I hate people trying to make as much money as possible boooooooooo.
Welcome to the Republican (or at least the Libertarian) Party.
Hey, I got bills to pay these fuckers gotta buy.
Quote from: Brownie on June 28, 2013, 03:27:42 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 28, 2013, 01:33:08 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 28, 2013, 01:27:10 PM
Jim Callis pumps the brakes (https://twitter.com/jimcallisBA/status/350428672106299392) a little bit on the Bryant-Boras hatewagon.
Quote from: @jimcallisBA#Cubs will sign him, but might be last 1st-rder to get done. @chrislowy: Is Bryant the next? #mlbdraft
Boooo I hate people trying to make as much money as possible boooooooooo.
Welcome to the Republican (or at least the Libertarian) Party.
Does this mean Slaky has to start making terrible, terrible analogies now?
Cubs sign young Venezuelan SS Gleyber Torres from the international free agent class. Here's video. (http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=28134245)
The Cubs are signing every talented 16 year old south of Miami.
Surely one of them will be good in 5-7 years.
Quote from: Slaky on July 02, 2013, 01:47:59 PM
The Cubs are signing every talented 16 year old south of Miami.
Surely one of them will be good in 5-7 years.
You may be right, but don't call me Shirley.
Quote from: Tonker on July 02, 2013, 02:04:06 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 02, 2013, 01:47:59 PM
The Cubs are signing every talented 16 year old south of Miami.
Surely one of them will be good in 5-7 years.
You may be right, but don't call me Shirley.
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2mo2qrm.png)
Thank you.
Quote from: Slaky on July 02, 2013, 01:47:59 PM
The Cubs are signing every talented 16 year old south of Miami.
Surely one of them will be good in 5-7 years.
The Cubs now have $5,520,300 to spend on 16- and 17-year-olds over the next 11 months.
Clearly Yeti's in the wrong business.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 02, 2013, 02:11:41 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 02, 2013, 01:47:59 PM
The Cubs are signing every talented 16 year old south of Miami.
Surely one of them will be good in 5-7 years.
The Cubs now have $5,520,300 to spend on 16- and 17-year-olds over the next 11 months.
Clearly Yeti's in the wrong business.
Never forget. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7372.0)
http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/no-16-international-prospect-erling-moreno/
QuoteColombian righthander Erling Moreno, the No. 16 international prospect for July 2, has signed with the Cubs for $800,000.
Moreno, 16, is 6-foot-3, 190 pounds with a fastball that reaches 90 mph. With his size, he projects to become a power pitcher down the road. He trains with Edinson Renteria.
16-year-olds, Dude.
Also: 18-year-olds...
http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/dominican-righthander-jefferson-mejia/
QuoteThe Cubs have signed Dominican righthander Jefferson Mejia for $850,000.
Mejia, 18, would have been eligible to sign last year, but Major League Baseball had an issue with his paperwork and declared him ineligible to sign until April. However, with teams mostly out of space remaining from their $2.9 million bonus pools from the 2012-13 signing period, it's not surprising that Mejia waited until the beginning of the 2013-14 signing period to officially sign his contract. Mejia is now using an Aug. 2, 1994 date of birth.
Mejia was 6-foot-7, 190 pounds last year and was sitting in the high-80s fastball at the time, but now he's listed at 220 pounds (although that might be a light estimate) and his fastball has jumped along with the increase in weight. While he was ineligible to sign, Mejia pitched at the Rays' Dominican academy in January in the International Prospect League all-star game, where he showed a 90-93 mph fastball, a swing-and-miss changeup along with a solid curveball in the mid-70s. His athleticism also improved along with his strength, which helped him get in better sync with his delivery.
Unlike other July 2 signings, who sign contracts for the the 2014 season, Mejia can begin playing immediately. However, given the problems he had with his MLB investigation last year, there's no way to guarantee he will be approved in time to pitch this season
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 02, 2013, 03:16:32 PM
Also: 18-year-olds...
http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/dominican-righthander-jefferson-mejia/
QuoteThe Cubs have signed Dominican righthander Jefferson Mejia for $850,000.
Mejia, 18, would have been eligible to sign last year, but Major League Baseball had an issue with his paperwork and declared him ineligible to sign until April. However, with teams mostly out of space remaining from their $2.9 million bonus pools from the 2012-13 signing period, it's not surprising that Mejia waited until the beginning of the 2013-14 signing period to officially sign his contract. Mejia is now using an Aug. 2, 1994 date of birth.
Mejia was 6-foot-7, 190 pounds last year and was sitting in the high-80s fastball at the time, but now he's listed at 220 pounds (although that might be a light estimate) and his fastball has jumped along with the increase in weight. While he was ineligible to sign, Mejia pitched at the Rays' Dominican academy in January in the International Prospect League all-star game, where he showed a 90-93 mph fastball, a swing-and-miss changeup along with a solid curveball in the mid-70s. His athleticism also improved along with his strength, which helped him get in better sync with his delivery.
Unlike other July 2 signings, who sign contracts for the the 2014 season, Mejia can begin playing immediately. However, given the problems he had with his MLB investigation last year, there's no way to guarantee he will be approved in time to pitch this season
So, in one year, 30 pounds heavier, 5+ MPH on his fastball, "improved strength," and guess what's available OTC at pharmacies in the Dominican?
Yeah. Nothing to see here. Move along.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 02, 2013, 03:22:57 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 02, 2013, 03:16:32 PM
Also: 18-year-olds...
http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/dominican-righthander-jefferson-mejia/
QuoteThe Cubs have signed Dominican righthander Jefferson Mejia for $850,000.
Mejia, 18, would have been eligible to sign last year, but Major League Baseball had an issue with his paperwork and declared him ineligible to sign until April. However, with teams mostly out of space remaining from their $2.9 million bonus pools from the 2012-13 signing period, it's not surprising that Mejia waited until the beginning of the 2013-14 signing period to officially sign his contract. Mejia is now using an Aug. 2, 1994 date of birth.
Mejia was 6-foot-7, 190 pounds last year and was sitting in the high-80s fastball at the time, but now he's listed at 220 pounds (although that might be a light estimate) and his fastball has jumped along with the increase in weight. While he was ineligible to sign, Mejia pitched at the Rays' Dominican academy in January in the International Prospect League all-star game, where he showed a 90-93 mph fastball, a swing-and-miss changeup along with a solid curveball in the mid-70s. His athleticism also improved along with his strength, which helped him get in better sync with his delivery.
Unlike other July 2 signings, who sign contracts for the the 2014 season, Mejia can begin playing immediately. However, given the problems he had with his MLB investigation last year, there's no way to guarantee he will be approved in time to pitch this season
So, in one year, 30 pounds heavier, 5+ MPH on his fastball, "improved strength," and guess what's available OTC at pharmacies in the Dominican?
Yeah. Nothing to see here. Move along.
That's very possible, but it's not unheard of for teenagers to show significant athletic improvement as they grow into their bodies, either.
Assuming he's not, like, 25 already.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 02, 2013, 03:22:57 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 02, 2013, 03:16:32 PM
Also: 18-year-olds...
http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/dominican-righthander-jefferson-mejia/
QuoteThe Cubs have signed Dominican righthander Jefferson Mejia for $850,000.
Mejia, 18, would have been eligible to sign last year, but Major League Baseball had an issue with his paperwork and declared him ineligible to sign until April. However, with teams mostly out of space remaining from their $2.9 million bonus pools from the 2012-13 signing period, it's not surprising that Mejia waited until the beginning of the 2013-14 signing period to officially sign his contract. Mejia is now using an Aug. 2, 1994 date of birth.
Mejia was 6-foot-7, 190 pounds last year and was sitting in the high-80s fastball at the time, but now he's listed at 220 pounds (although that might be a light estimate) and his fastball has jumped along with the increase in weight. While he was ineligible to sign, Mejia pitched at the Rays' Dominican academy in January in the International Prospect League all-star game, where he showed a 90-93 mph fastball, a swing-and-miss changeup along with a solid curveball in the mid-70s. His athleticism also improved along with his strength, which helped him get in better sync with his delivery.
Unlike other July 2 signings, who sign contracts for the the 2014 season, Mejia can begin playing immediately. However, given the problems he had with his MLB investigation last year, there's no way to guarantee he will be approved in time to pitch this season
So, in one year, 30 pounds heavier, 5+ MPH on his fastball, "improved strength," and guess what's available OTC at pharmacies in the Dominican?
Yeah. Nothing to see here. Move along.
Chuck is right to be skeptical. No teenaged boy has ever legitimately gained 30+ pounds and gotten stronger over the course of a single year.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 02, 2013, 03:22:57 PM
So, in one year, 30 pounds heavier, 5+ MPH on his fastball, "improved strength," and guess what's available OTC at pharmacies in the Dominican?
Puberty?
Well done, everyone. No, Chuck.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 02, 2013, 03:27:16 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 02, 2013, 03:22:57 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 02, 2013, 03:16:32 PM
Also: 18-year-olds...
http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/dominican-righthander-jefferson-mejia/
QuoteThe Cubs have signed Dominican righthander Jefferson Mejia for $850,000.
Mejia, 18, would have been eligible to sign last year, but Major League Baseball had an issue with his paperwork and declared him ineligible to sign until April. However, with teams mostly out of space remaining from their $2.9 million bonus pools from the 2012-13 signing period, it's not surprising that Mejia waited until the beginning of the 2013-14 signing period to officially sign his contract. Mejia is now using an Aug. 2, 1994 date of birth.
Mejia was 6-foot-7, 190 pounds last year and was sitting in the high-80s fastball at the time, but now he's listed at 220 pounds (although that might be a light estimate) and his fastball has jumped along with the increase in weight. While he was ineligible to sign, Mejia pitched at the Rays' Dominican academy in January in the International Prospect League all-star game, where he showed a 90-93 mph fastball, a swing-and-miss changeup along with a solid curveball in the mid-70s. His athleticism also improved along with his strength, which helped him get in better sync with his delivery.
Unlike other July 2 signings, who sign contracts for the the 2014 season, Mejia can begin playing immediately. However, given the problems he had with his MLB investigation last year, there's no way to guarantee he will be approved in time to pitch this season
So, in one year, 30 pounds heavier, 5+ MPH on his fastball, "improved strength," and guess what's available OTC at pharmacies in the Dominican?
Yeah. Nothing to see here. Move along.
Chuck is right to be skeptical. No teenaged boy has ever legitimately gained 30+ pounds and gotten stronger over the course of a single year.
For real though...he's a 6'7" Dominican?
Quote from: PenFoe on July 02, 2013, 04:36:22 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 02, 2013, 03:27:16 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 02, 2013, 03:22:57 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 02, 2013, 03:16:32 PM
Also: 18-year-olds...
http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/dominican-righthander-jefferson-mejia/
QuoteThe Cubs have signed Dominican righthander Jefferson Mejia for $850,000.
Mejia, 18, would have been eligible to sign last year, but Major League Baseball had an issue with his paperwork and declared him ineligible to sign until April. However, with teams mostly out of space remaining from their $2.9 million bonus pools from the 2012-13 signing period, it's not surprising that Mejia waited until the beginning of the 2013-14 signing period to officially sign his contract. Mejia is now using an Aug. 2, 1994 date of birth.
Mejia was 6-foot-7, 190 pounds last year and was sitting in the high-80s fastball at the time, but now he's listed at 220 pounds (although that might be a light estimate) and his fastball has jumped along with the increase in weight. While he was ineligible to sign, Mejia pitched at the Rays' Dominican academy in January in the International Prospect League all-star game, where he showed a 90-93 mph fastball, a swing-and-miss changeup along with a solid curveball in the mid-70s. His athleticism also improved along with his strength, which helped him get in better sync with his delivery.
Unlike other July 2 signings, who sign contracts for the the 2014 season, Mejia can begin playing immediately. However, given the problems he had with his MLB investigation last year, there's no way to guarantee he will be approved in time to pitch this season
So, in one year, 30 pounds heavier, 5+ MPH on his fastball, "improved strength," and guess what's available OTC at pharmacies in the Dominican?
Yeah. Nothing to see here. Move along.
Chuck is right to be skeptical. No teenaged boy has ever legitimately gained 30+ pounds and gotten stronger over the course of a single year.
For real though...he's a 6'7" Dominican?
Yeah, but at least 9 of those inches are just Primobolan.
https://twitter.com/JesseSanchezMLB/status/352263192178724865
QuoteSource: OF prospect Eloy Jimenez & fam decide on #Cubs but another team was in mix & offered more $$. Expect announcement in next few days.
So, wait... Is he a #FutureCube or not? We'll just have to see how this one plays out?
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 02, 2013, 10:19:15 PM
https://twitter.com/JesseSanchezMLB/status/352263192178724865
QuoteSource: OF prospect Eloy Jimenez & fam decide on #Cubs but another team was in mix & offered more $$. Expect announcement in next few days.
So, wait... Is he a #FutureCube or not? We'll just have to see how this one plays out?
Sounds like a #DeservedCub.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 02, 2013, 10:19:15 PM
https://twitter.com/JesseSanchezMLB/status/352263192178724865
QuoteSource: OF prospect Eloy Jimenez & fam decide on #Cubs but another team was in mix & offered more $$. Expect announcement in next few days.
So, wait... Is he a #FutureCube or not? We'll just have to see how this one plays out?
DPD. Seems like he picked the Cubs despite a more lucrative offer from another team. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/cubs-to-sign-eloy-jimenez.html) At least that's MLBTR's translation.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 02, 2013, 10:44:45 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 02, 2013, 10:19:15 PM
https://twitter.com/JesseSanchezMLB/status/352263192178724865
QuoteSource: OF prospect Eloy Jimenez & fam decide on #Cubs but another team was in mix & offered more $$. Expect announcement in next few days.
So, wait... Is he a #FutureCube or not? We'll just have to see how this one plays out?
DPD. Seems like he picked the Cubs despite a more lucrative offer from another team. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/cubs-to-sign-eloy-jimenez.html) At least that's MLBTR's translation.
That's based on no other information besides that tweet.
But it seems to me that the proper phrasing for that would be something like: "Another team was in mix & offered more $$ but OF prospect Eloy Jimenez & fam decide on #Cubs".
YOUR STUPID BUT IS AMBIGUOUS, JESSE SANCHEZ.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 02, 2013, 10:47:44 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 02, 2013, 10:44:45 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 02, 2013, 10:19:15 PM
https://twitter.com/JesseSanchezMLB/status/352263192178724865
QuoteSource: OF prospect Eloy Jimenez & fam decide on #Cubs but another team was in mix & offered more $$. Expect announcement in next few days.
So, wait... Is he a #FutureCube or not? We'll just have to see how this one plays out?
DPD. Seems like he picked the Cubs despite a more lucrative offer from another team. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/cubs-to-sign-eloy-jimenez.html) At least that's MLBTR's translation.
That's based on no other information besides that tweet.
But it seems to me that the proper phrasing for that would be something like: "Another team was in mix & offered more $$ but OF prospect Eloy Jimenez & fam decide on #Cubs".
YOUR STUPID BUT IS AMBIGUOUS, JESSE SANCHEZ.
AGREED. APPLY YOURSELF, JESSE (http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9f81rqLNV1qca6mzo1_500.png). RIDICULOUS!
So this seems a bit more clear...
https://twitter.com/JesseSanchezMLB/status/352276148081790976
QuoteIn the end, OF prospect Eloy Jimenez & fam love Sosa & idea of playing @ Wrigley one day. Dreams matter to him. #Cubs http://atmlb.com/10DO8al
#FutureCube
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 02, 2013, 11:04:52 PM
So this seems a bit more clear...
https://twitter.com/JesseSanchezMLB/status/352276148081790976
QuoteIn the end, OF prospect Eloy Jimenez & fam love Sosa & idea of playing @ Wrigley one day. Dreams matter to him. #Cubs http://atmlb.com/10DO8al
#FutureCube
#Dreamsmatter
Quote from: Tony on July 03, 2013, 12:52:25 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 02, 2013, 11:04:52 PM
So this seems a bit more clear...
https://twitter.com/JesseSanchezMLB/status/352276148081790976
QuoteIn the end, OF prospect Eloy Jimenez & fam love Sosa & idea of playing @ Wrigley one day. Dreams matter to him. #Cubs http://atmlb.com/10DO8al
#FutureCube
#Dreamsmatter
#IDreamOfCubes
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 03, 2013, 08:17:40 AM
Quote from: Tony on July 03, 2013, 12:52:25 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 02, 2013, 11:04:52 PM
So this seems a bit more clear...
https://twitter.com/JesseSanchezMLB/status/352276148081790976
QuoteIn the end, OF prospect Eloy Jimenez & fam love Sosa & idea of playing @ Wrigley one day. Dreams matter to him. #Cubs http://atmlb.com/10DO8al
#FutureCube
#Dreamsmatter
#IDreamOfCubes
#EloyGetsIt because he took less money to play for the team I like.
Quote from: R-V on July 03, 2013, 10:21:30 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 03, 2013, 08:17:40 AM
Quote from: Tony on July 03, 2013, 12:52:25 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 02, 2013, 11:04:52 PM
So this seems a bit more clear...
https://twitter.com/JesseSanchezMLB/status/352276148081790976
QuoteIn the end, OF prospect Eloy Jimenez & fam love Sosa & idea of playing @ Wrigley one day. Dreams matter to him. #Cubs http://atmlb.com/10DO8al
#FutureCube
#Dreamsmatter
#IDreamOfCubes
#EloyGetsIt because he took less money to play for the team I like.
Eloy, Arizona is the skydiving capital of the world.
Also, it's home to a significantly large prison.
So, there's that.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 03, 2013, 10:25:47 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 03, 2013, 10:21:30 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 03, 2013, 08:17:40 AM
Quote from: Tony on July 03, 2013, 12:52:25 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 02, 2013, 11:04:52 PM
So this seems a bit more clear...
https://twitter.com/JesseSanchezMLB/status/352276148081790976
QuoteIn the end, OF prospect Eloy Jimenez & fam love Sosa & idea of playing @ Wrigley one day. Dreams matter to him. #Cubs http://atmlb.com/10DO8al
#FutureCube
#Dreamsmatter
#IDreamOfCubes
#EloyGetsIt because he took less money to play for the team I like.
Eloy, Arizona is the skydiving capital of the world.
Also, it's home to a significantly large prison.
So, there's that.
So you better have good aim when landing.
DPD.
Baez promoted (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130705/SPORTS/130709827/1001?Title=Source-Daytona-Cubs-Baez-to-be-promoted-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to Tennessee.
Quote from: Fork on July 05, 2013, 09:55:26 PM
DPD.
Baez promoted (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130705/SPORTS/130709827/1001?Title=Source-Daytona-Cubs-Baez-to-be-promoted-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to Tennessee.
QuoteHe'll leave the Florida State League after hitting .274 with a league-best 17 homers and 59 runs scored. The 2011 first-round draft pick also was second in total bases (160), fourth in RBIs (57), fifth in slugging (.535) and sixth in hits (82).
Those are really good numbers, especially the homers -- that's like hitting 30 in the Midwest League. Baez has hit 21 HR in 98 career games there. For comparison Josh Vitters only hit six for Daytona in 78 games. According to what little I remember about proportions, Vitters would have hit 7.5 in 98 games. Baez: 21, Vitters: 8. The FSL is known as a pitchers' league and hitting prospects typically don't stay there long. Their power numbers also look like shit. Not Baez. Weirdly he actually did just a little better than the 12 HR in 57 games he put up at Peoria.
NOW ALLOW ME TO REMIND YOU THAT STARLIN CASTRO WAS PROMOTED DIRECTLY FROM DOUBLE-A. IN OTHER WORDS JAVIER BAEZ IS NOW SPANISH FOR SAVIOR. SAVE MUH KUBBEEZ!!!
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 05, 2013, 10:13:53 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 05, 2013, 09:55:26 PM
DPD.
Baez promoted (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130705/SPORTS/130709827/1001?Title=Source-Daytona-Cubs-Baez-to-be-promoted-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to Tennessee.
QuoteHe'll leave the Florida State League after hitting .274 with a league-best 17 homers and 59 runs scored. The 2011 first-round draft pick also was second in total bases (160), fourth in RBIs (57), fifth in slugging (.535) and sixth in hits (82).
Those are really good numbers, especially the homers -- that's like hitting 30 in the Midwest League. Baez has hit 21 HR in 98 career games there. For comparison Josh Vitters only hit six for Daytona in 78 games. According to what little I remember about proportions, Vitters would have hit 7.5 in 98 games. Baez: 21, Vitters: 8. The FSL is known as a pitchers' league and hitting prospects typically don't stay there long. Their power numbers also look like shit. Not Baez. Weirdly he actually did just a little better than the 12 HR in 57 games he put up at Peoria.
NOW ALLOW ME TO REMIND YOU THAT STARLIN CASTRO WAS PROMOTED DIRECTLY FROM DOUBLE-A. IN OTHER WORDS JAVIER BAEZ IS NOW SPANISH FOR SAVIOR. SAVE MUH KUBBEEZ!!!
Sterling Archer, Wet Blanket. Wet Blanket, Sterling Archer. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=patter001don#standard_batting::none)
I'm just kidding. I literally just came in my pants while reading this.
* *To be fair I had some pretty legit Eastern European FFM porno on in the background.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 05, 2013, 10:52:46 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 05, 2013, 10:13:53 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 05, 2013, 09:55:26 PM
DPD.
Baez promoted (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130705/SPORTS/130709827/1001?Title=Source-Daytona-Cubs-Baez-to-be-promoted-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to Tennessee.
QuoteHe'll leave the Florida State League after hitting .274 with a league-best 17 homers and 59 runs scored. The 2011 first-round draft pick also was second in total bases (160), fourth in RBIs (57), fifth in slugging (.535) and sixth in hits (82).
Those are really good numbers, especially the homers -- that's like hitting 30 in the Midwest League. Baez has hit 21 HR in 98 career games there. For comparison Josh Vitters only hit six for Daytona in 78 games. According to what little I remember about proportions, Vitters would have hit 7.5 in 98 games. Baez: 21, Vitters: 8. The FSL is known as a pitchers' league and hitting prospects typically don't stay there long. Their power numbers also look like shit. Not Baez. Weirdly he actually did just a little better than the 12 HR in 57 games he put up at Peoria.
NOW ALLOW ME TO REMIND YOU THAT STARLIN CASTRO WAS PROMOTED DIRECTLY FROM DOUBLE-A. IN OTHER WORDS JAVIER BAEZ IS NOW SPANISH FOR SAVIOR. SAVE MUH KUBBEEZ!!!
Sterling Archer, Wet Blanket. Wet Blanket, Sterling Archer. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=patter001don#standard_batting::none)
I'm just kidding. I literally just came in my pants while reading this.*
*To be fair I had some pretty legit Eastern European FFM porno on in the background.
Well, none of this means he's going to be any good in the majors. But as for your wet blanket, Patterson never played a game for Daytona -- he skipped high-A ball -- and he was famously rushed through the system. (Look at the trendline for 1999-2001. Yeesh. There is no way he earned a callup in a sane organization with those Iowa numbers.)
In other words, it's bonertime.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 05, 2013, 11:14:13 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 05, 2013, 10:52:46 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 05, 2013, 10:13:53 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 05, 2013, 09:55:26 PM
DPD.
Baez promoted (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130705/SPORTS/130709827/1001?Title=Source-Daytona-Cubs-Baez-to-be-promoted-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to Tennessee.
QuoteHe'll leave the Florida State League after hitting .274 with a league-best 17 homers and 59 runs scored. The 2011 first-round draft pick also was second in total bases (160), fourth in RBIs (57), fifth in slugging (.535) and sixth in hits (82).
Those are really good numbers, especially the homers -- that's like hitting 30 in the Midwest League. Baez has hit 21 HR in 98 career games there. For comparison Josh Vitters only hit six for Daytona in 78 games. According to what little I remember about proportions, Vitters would have hit 7.5 in 98 games. Baez: 21, Vitters: 8. The FSL is known as a pitchers' league and hitting prospects typically don't stay there long. Their power numbers also look like shit. Not Baez. Weirdly he actually did just a little better than the 12 HR in 57 games he put up at Peoria.
NOW ALLOW ME TO REMIND YOU THAT STARLIN CASTRO WAS PROMOTED DIRECTLY FROM DOUBLE-A. IN OTHER WORDS JAVIER BAEZ IS NOW SPANISH FOR SAVIOR. SAVE MUH KUBBEEZ!!!
Sterling Archer, Wet Blanket. Wet Blanket, Sterling Archer. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=patter001don#standard_batting::none)
I'm just kidding. I literally just came in my pants while reading this.*
*To be fair I had some pretty legit Eastern European FFM porno on in the background.
Well, none of this means he's going to be any good in the majors. But as for your wet blanket, Patterson never played a game for Daytona -- he skipped high-A ball -- and he was famously rushed through the system. (Look at the trendline for 1999-2001. Yeesh. There is no way he earned a callup in a sane organization with those Iowa numbers.)
In other words, it's bonertime.
Don't get excited. He was drafted by the Hendry regime.
Quote from: Eli on July 05, 2013, 11:23:49 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 05, 2013, 11:14:13 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 05, 2013, 10:52:46 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 05, 2013, 10:13:53 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 05, 2013, 09:55:26 PM
DPD.
Baez promoted (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130705/SPORTS/130709827/1001?Title=Source-Daytona-Cubs-Baez-to-be-promoted-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to Tennessee.
QuoteHe'll leave the Florida State League after hitting .274 with a league-best 17 homers and 59 runs scored. The 2011 first-round draft pick also was second in total bases (160), fourth in RBIs (57), fifth in slugging (.535) and sixth in hits (82).
Those are really good numbers, especially the homers -- that's like hitting 30 in the Midwest League. Baez has hit 21 HR in 98 career games there. For comparison Josh Vitters only hit six for Daytona in 78 games. According to what little I remember about proportions, Vitters would have hit 7.5 in 98 games. Baez: 21, Vitters: 8. The FSL is known as a pitchers' league and hitting prospects typically don't stay there long. Their power numbers also look like shit. Not Baez. Weirdly he actually did just a little better than the 12 HR in 57 games he put up at Peoria.
NOW ALLOW ME TO REMIND YOU THAT STARLIN CASTRO WAS PROMOTED DIRECTLY FROM DOUBLE-A. IN OTHER WORDS JAVIER BAEZ IS NOW SPANISH FOR SAVIOR. SAVE MUH KUBBEEZ!!!
Sterling Archer, Wet Blanket. Wet Blanket, Sterling Archer. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=patter001don#standard_batting::none)
I'm just kidding. I literally just came in my pants while reading this.*
*To be fair I had some pretty legit Eastern European FFM porno on in the background.
Well, none of this means he's going to be any good in the majors. But as for your wet blanket, Patterson never played a game for Daytona -- he skipped high-A ball -- and he was famously rushed through the system. (Look at the trendline for 1999-2001. Yeesh. There is no way he earned a callup in a sane organization with those Iowa numbers.)
In other words, it's bonertime.
Don't get excited. He was drafted by the Hendry regime.
Shit, you're right. Baezstink is terrible.
Quote from: Eli on July 05, 2013, 11:23:49 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 05, 2013, 11:14:13 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 05, 2013, 10:52:46 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 05, 2013, 10:13:53 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 05, 2013, 09:55:26 PM
DPD.
Baez promoted (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130705/SPORTS/130709827/1001?Title=Source-Daytona-Cubs-Baez-to-be-promoted-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to Tennessee.
QuoteHe'll leave the Florida State League after hitting .274 with a league-best 17 homers and 59 runs scored. The 2011 first-round draft pick also was second in total bases (160), fourth in RBIs (57), fifth in slugging (.535) and sixth in hits (82).
Those are really good numbers, especially the homers -- that's like hitting 30 in the Midwest League. Baez has hit 21 HR in 98 career games there. For comparison Josh Vitters only hit six for Daytona in 78 games. According to what little I remember about proportions, Vitters would have hit 7.5 in 98 games. Baez: 21, Vitters: 8. The FSL is known as a pitchers' league and hitting prospects typically don't stay there long. Their power numbers also look like shit. Not Baez. Weirdly he actually did just a little better than the 12 HR in 57 games he put up at Peoria.
NOW ALLOW ME TO REMIND YOU THAT STARLIN CASTRO WAS PROMOTED DIRECTLY FROM DOUBLE-A. IN OTHER WORDS JAVIER BAEZ IS NOW SPANISH FOR SAVIOR. SAVE MUH KUBBEEZ!!!
Sterling Archer, Wet Blanket. Wet Blanket, Sterling Archer. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=patter001don#standard_batting::none)
I'm just kidding. I literally just came in my pants while reading this.*
*To be fair I had some pretty legit Eastern European FFM porno on in the background.
Well, none of this means he's going to be any good in the majors. But as for your wet blanket, Patterson never played a game for Daytona -- he skipped high-A ball -- and he was famously rushed through the system. (Look at the trendline for 1999-2001. Yeesh. There is no way he earned a callup in a sane organization with those Iowa numbers.)
In other words, it's bonertime.
Don't get excited. He was drafted by the Hendry regime.
You forgot the
Intrepid Reader: Chuck part.
Quote from: PANK! on July 06, 2013, 08:23:32 AM
You forgot the Intrepid Reader: Chuck part.
Do I have to spell out everything for everyone? IT'S CALLED NUANCE, PEOPLE.
Quote from: Eli on July 06, 2013, 09:18:45 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 06, 2013, 08:23:32 AM
You forgot the Intrepid Reader: Chuck part.
Do I have to spell out everything for everyone? IT'S CALLED NUANCE, PEOPLE.
Huey, Eli.
Eli, Huey.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 06, 2013, 10:26:20 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 06, 2013, 09:18:45 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 06, 2013, 08:23:32 AM
You forgot the Intrepid Reader: Chuck part.
Do I have to spell out everything for everyone? IT'S CALLED NUANCE, PEOPLE.
Huey, Eli.
Eli, Huey.
You leave Huey alone. It's hard enough for him to type on a potato keyboard, much less add nuance.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 05, 2013, 11:14:13 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 05, 2013, 10:52:46 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 05, 2013, 10:13:53 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 05, 2013, 09:55:26 PM
DPD.
Baez promoted (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130705/SPORTS/130709827/1001?Title=Source-Daytona-Cubs-Baez-to-be-promoted-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to Tennessee.
QuoteHe'll leave the Florida State League after hitting .274 with a league-best 17 homers and 59 runs scored. The 2011 first-round draft pick also was second in total bases (160), fourth in RBIs (57), fifth in slugging (.535) and sixth in hits (82).
Those are really good numbers, especially the homers -- that's like hitting 30 in the Midwest League. Baez has hit 21 HR in 98 career games there. For comparison Josh Vitters only hit six for Daytona in 78 games. According to what little I remember about proportions, Vitters would have hit 7.5 in 98 games. Baez: 21, Vitters: 8. The FSL is known as a pitchers' league and hitting prospects typically don't stay there long. Their power numbers also look like shit. Not Baez. Weirdly he actually did just a little better than the 12 HR in 57 games he put up at Peoria.
NOW ALLOW ME TO REMIND YOU THAT STARLIN CASTRO WAS PROMOTED DIRECTLY FROM DOUBLE-A. IN OTHER WORDS JAVIER BAEZ IS NOW SPANISH FOR SAVIOR. SAVE MUH KUBBEEZ!!!
Sterling Archer, Wet Blanket. Wet Blanket, Sterling Archer. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=patter001don#standard_batting::none)
I'm just kidding. I literally just came in my pants while reading this.*
*To be fair I had some pretty legit Eastern European FFM porno on in the background.
Well, none of this means he's going to be any good in the majors. But as for your wet blanket, Patterson never played a game for Daytona -- he skipped high-A ball -- and he was famously rushed through the system. (Look at the trendline for 1999-2001. Yeesh. There is no way he earned a callup in a sane organization with those Iowa numbers.)
In other words, it's bonertime.
Under the old regime, Almora would have a locker stall in Wrigley Field based on his Kane County numbers.
Well said.
(http://i40.tinypic.com/2wohh5j.png)
I'm assuming this isn't satire, but it could be.
Watch this (http://youtu.be/JH8yMH6v3fM), then listen to this (http://smokiesonradio.com/2013/07/06/javier-baez-tennessee-smokies-home-run/).
So, how much must Ivan Pineyro suck to find himself traded for a 33-year-old platoon outfielder with a 76 OPS+? (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-scott-hairston-cubs-trade-20130707,0,2921539.story)
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 08, 2013, 09:36:33 AM
So, how much must Ivan Pineyro suck to find himself traded for a 33-year-old platoon outfielder with a 76 OPS+? (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-scott-hairston-cubs-trade-20130707,0,2921539.story)
Reading this article caused me to look at Iowa's roster to see which outfielder would get the call, and holy shit is Brett Jackson having a brutal season.
Quote from: Fork on July 08, 2013, 09:53:40 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 08, 2013, 09:36:33 AM
So, how much must Ivan Pineyro suck to find himself traded for a 33-year-old platoon outfielder with a 76 OPS+? (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-scott-hairston-cubs-trade-20130707,0,2921539.story)
Reading this article caused me to look at Iowa's roster to see which outfielder would get the call, and holy shit is Brett Jackson having a brutal season.
Don't worry. BC's still got him stashed on his fantasy roster. For a third year running.
Jesse Sanchez (I assume this guy is the only person who reports on these foreign prospects) is calling the Cubs next dude, JenHo Tseng. (https://twitter.com/JesseSanchezMLB/status/354253545677127682)
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Lot of interest in RHP Tseng (TW), @MLB's #29, but #Cubs have emerged as favorite. Expected to command at least $1.5M
Pretty sure the Cubs have blown their international spending cap by roughly $56 million at this point, but that feels like a problem for another day.
Scouting report on Tseng (MLB.com has him as the #29 overall international prospect (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2013/#list=int))
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Height: 6'1", Weight: 198
Position: RHP
DOB: 10/3/1994
Scouting Grades* (present/future): Fastball: 5/6 | Slider: 4/4 | Curve: 4/6 | Control: 3/4
The wide-bodied teenager is a known commodity in the international baseball world and has expressed a desire to sign with a Major League organization. At 18, Tseng was the youngest player named to the Chinese Taipei World Baseball Classic roster.
Tseng was also part of the 2012 World Junior Championship and played in the 2012 Asian Baseball Championship for the national team for Chinese Taipei, so he is comfortable on a big stage. He's known for his upright, quick delivery and a fastball that has reached 95 mph.
Tseng also has a feel for his secondary pitches, primarily his curveball and slider, and is confident on the mound. The right-hander works comfortably with a fastball in the low-90s, but scouts would like to see him challenge more hitters with the pitch. Scouts like his maturity, aggressiveness, and his poise. He has a large frame which bodes well for his durability.
Also, since he pitched for Chinese Taipei, I assume he threw at least 14 no-hitters in the Little League World Series, but I can't find confirmation online.
DPD, I don't know if someone else posted the rules/penalties for exceeding the international cap (it would probably take 14 seconds to check, but alas) but Ben Badler explained them a bit back. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/penalties-for-exceeding-pools-depend-on-international-draft/)
Crazy Rumor guy says the Cubs are likely to be 10%+ over if they sign Tseng, which would mean "a 100% tax on the overage and, more importantly, a $500K per player cap in the 2014-15 spending period."
I think the point (and this was probably also mentioned somewhere else) is that either the Cubs are done fucking around, or they particularly love this class.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2013, 12:54:18 PM
DPD, I don't know if someone else posted the rules/penalties for exceeding the international cap (it would probably take 14 seconds to check, but alas) but Ben Badler explained them a bit back. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/penalties-for-exceeding-pools-depend-on-international-draft/)
Crazy Rumor guy says the Cubs are likely to be 10%+ over if they sign Tseng, which would mean "a 100% tax on the overage and, more importantly, a $500K per player cap in the 2014-15 spending period."
I think the point (and this was probably also mentioned somewhere else) is that either the Cubs are done fucking around, or they particularly love this class.
Or most likely, they read Al's article about them screwing up Al's team and are trying to right that wrong. Even if they are doing it the completely wrong way (by signing more prospects who will NEVER pan out).
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2013, 12:54:18 PM
DPD, I don't know if someone else posted the rules/penalties for exceeding the international cap (it would probably take 14 seconds to check, but alas) but Ben Badler explained them a bit back. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/penalties-for-exceeding-pools-depend-on-international-draft/)
Crazy Rumor guy says the Cubs are likely to be 10%+ over if they sign Tseng, which would mean "a 100% tax on the overage and, more importantly, a $500K per player cap in the 2014-15 spending period."
I think the point (and this was probably also mentioned somewhere else) is that either the Cubs are done fucking around, or they particularly love this class.
That's probably it. Or if you really want to chug Theo & Jed's dong, you could guess that they were the only ones to figure out this was the best way to stockpile high-level talent, so they're carrying out their pool-exploding plan in a very short time period, before other teams catch on and do the same.
Quote from: R-V on July 08, 2013, 01:28:56 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2013, 12:54:18 PM
DPD, I don't know if someone else posted the rules/penalties for exceeding the international cap (it would probably take 14 seconds to check, but alas) but Ben Badler explained them a bit back. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/penalties-for-exceeding-pools-depend-on-international-draft/)
Crazy Rumor guy says the Cubs are likely to be 10%+ over if they sign Tseng, which would mean "a 100% tax on the overage and, more importantly, a $500K per player cap in the 2014-15 spending period."
I think the point (and this was probably also mentioned somewhere else) is that either the Cubs are done fucking around, or they particularly love this class.
That's probably it. Or if you really want to chug Theo & Jed's dong, you could guess that they were the only ones to figure out this was the best way to stockpile high-level talent, so they're carrying out their pool-exploding plan in a very short time period, before other teams catch on and do the same.
Gordon "Summer's Eve" Wittenmyer said last week that the Cubs like this year's pool enough to pay the penalties (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/cubs-willing-to-incur-international-spending-penalties.html).
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 08, 2013, 01:36:42 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 08, 2013, 01:28:56 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2013, 12:54:18 PM
DPD, I don't know if someone else posted the rules/penalties for exceeding the international cap (it would probably take 14 seconds to check, but alas) but Ben Badler explained them a bit back. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/penalties-for-exceeding-pools-depend-on-international-draft/)
Crazy Rumor guy says the Cubs are likely to be 10%+ over if they sign Tseng, which would mean "a 100% tax on the overage and, more importantly, a $500K per player cap in the 2014-15 spending period."
I think the point (and this was probably also mentioned somewhere else) is that either the Cubs are done fucking around, or they particularly love this class.
That's probably it. Or if you really want to chug Theo & Jed's dong, you could guess that they were the only ones to figure out this was the best way to stockpile high-level talent, so they're carrying out their pool-exploding plan in a very short time period, before other teams catch on and do the same.
Gordon "Summer's Eve" Wittenmyer said last week that the Cubs like this year's pool enough to pay the penalties (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/cubs-willing-to-incur-international-spending-penalties.html).
Given that most of the high payroll guys are going away, and they only need to spend big bux on Cano, they can afford to pay the luxury tax. The loss of Marmol alone will more than cover the tax.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 08, 2013, 02:08:59 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 08, 2013, 01:36:42 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 08, 2013, 01:28:56 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2013, 12:54:18 PM
DPD, I don't know if someone else posted the rules/penalties for exceeding the international cap (it would probably take 14 seconds to check, but alas) but Ben Badler explained them a bit back. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/penalties-for-exceeding-pools-depend-on-international-draft/)
Crazy Rumor guy says the Cubs are likely to be 10%+ over if they sign Tseng, which would mean "a 100% tax on the overage and, more importantly, a $500K per player cap in the 2014-15 spending period."
I think the point (and this was probably also mentioned somewhere else) is that either the Cubs are done fucking around, or they particularly love this class.
That's probably it. Or if you really want to chug Theo & Jed's dong, you could guess that they were the only ones to figure out this was the best way to stockpile high-level talent, so they're carrying out their pool-exploding plan in a very short time period, before other teams catch on and do the same.
Gordon "Summer's Eve" Wittenmyer said last week that the Cubs like this year's pool enough to pay the penalties (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/cubs-willing-to-incur-international-spending-penalties.html).
Given that most of the high payroll guys are going away, and they only need to spend big bux on Cano, they can afford to pay the luxury tax. The loss of Marmol alone will more than cover the tax.
I don't think the tax was the big concern, it was the $500K cap/guy in 2014.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2013, 02:10:35 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 08, 2013, 02:08:59 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 08, 2013, 01:36:42 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 08, 2013, 01:28:56 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2013, 12:54:18 PM
DPD, I don't know if someone else posted the rules/penalties for exceeding the international cap (it would probably take 14 seconds to check, but alas) but Ben Badler explained them a bit back. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/penalties-for-exceeding-pools-depend-on-international-draft/)
Crazy Rumor guy says the Cubs are likely to be 10%+ over if they sign Tseng, which would mean "a 100% tax on the overage and, more importantly, a $500K per player cap in the 2014-15 spending period."
I think the point (and this was probably also mentioned somewhere else) is that either the Cubs are done fucking around, or they particularly love this class.
That's probably it. Or if you really want to chug Theo & Jed's dong, you could guess that they were the only ones to figure out this was the best way to stockpile high-level talent, so they're carrying out their pool-exploding plan in a very short time period, before other teams catch on and do the same.
Gordon "Summer's Eve" Wittenmyer said last week that the Cubs like this year's pool enough to pay the penalties (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/cubs-willing-to-incur-international-spending-penalties.html).
Given that most of the high payroll guys are going away, and they only need to spend big bux on Cano, they can afford to pay the luxury tax. The loss of Marmol alone will more than cover the tax.
I don't think the tax was the big concern, it was the $500K cap/guy in 2014.
Exactly. I don't think they care about the money, it's just that they must think next year's class isn't worth spending more than half a million per guy for.
Everything is coming up #Cubes. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/cubs-juan-carlos-paniagua-gets-his-visa/)
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After a lengthy delay, Cubs righthander Juan Carlos Paniagua has received his visa and is in Arizona.
More analysis. (http://www.bleachernation.com/2013/07/08/fiiiiiinally-pitching-prospect-juan-carlos-paniagua-has-arrived-in-the-states/)
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When he signed, there were numerous reports about just how good he was and how quickly he could move up the Cubs' system. Some folks even said he instantly became the Cubs' best pitching prospect.
Cubs place three (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/midseason-prospect-update-top-50-prospects/) in the top 20 on Baseball America's Midseason Prospect list.
1. Byron Buxton, of, Twins
2. Oscar Taveras, of, Satanic Fowl
3. Miguel Sano, 3b, Twins
4. Xander Bogaerts, ss, Red Sox
5. Francisco Lindor, ss, Indians
6. Archie Bradley, rhp, Diamondbacks
7. Taijuan Walker, rhp, Mariners
8. Christian Yelich, of, Marlins
9. Carlos Correa, ss, Astros
10. Javier Baez, ss, CubsQuoteEarlier this year became second Florida State Leaguer to hit four home runs in one game.
11. Jameson Taillon, rhp, Pirates
12. Michael Wacha, rhp, Satanic Fowl
13. Gregory Polanco, of, Pirates
14. Tyler Skaggs, lhp, Diamondbacks
15. Nick Castellanos, of, Tigers
16. Albert Almora, of, CubsQuoteMissed first month with hamate injury, but has made up for lost time since returning.
17. Dylan Bundy, rhp, Orioles
18. Jorge Soler, of, CubsQuoteWill miss two months with stress fracture in leg, but talent is too good to ignore.
19. Addison Russell, ss, Athletics
20. George Springer, of, Astros
Those are the only Cubs on the list, which totals 50. If Bryant had signed by this point he might have made it in there somewhere.*
Friggin' prospects. Give me Jeff Francoeur any day.
* Actually no. I just read the chat transcript (http://www.baseballamerica.com/chat/?1373293151) and BA's policy is not to include current draftees.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 08, 2013, 11:25:32 PM
Friggin' prospects. Give me Jeff Francoeur any day.
Of course they are prospects. They are still alive.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 08, 2013, 11:28:16 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 08, 2013, 11:25:32 PM
Friggin' prospects. Give me Jeff Francoeur any day.
Of course they are prospects. They are still alive.
Don't cross him off yet!
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 08, 2013, 11:34:57 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 08, 2013, 11:28:16 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 08, 2013, 11:25:32 PM
Friggin' prospects. Give me Jeff Francoeur any day.
Of course they are prospects. They are still alive.
Don't cross him off yet!
Kenny Hubbs is a perfect example of why the Cubs should never rely on prospects.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 08, 2013, 11:25:32 PM
Cubs place three (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/midseason-prospect-update-top-50-prospects/) in the top 20 on Baseball America's Midseason Prospect list.
<snip>
Those are the only Cubs on the list, which totals 50. If Bryant had signed by this point he might have made it in there somewhere.*
Friggin' prospects. Give me Jeff Francoeur any day.
* Actually no. I just read the chat transcript (http://www.baseballamerica.com/chat/?1373293151) and BA's policy is not to include current draftees.
How depressing is it to watch the Cardinals and their best-record-in-baseball-positive-122-run-differential while also knowing they probably have the best farm system in the game?
Really depressing, guys. It's really depressing.
Quote from: Eli on July 09, 2013, 08:19:27 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 08, 2013, 11:25:32 PM
Cubs place three (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/midseason-prospect-update-top-50-prospects/) in the top 20 on Baseball America's Midseason Prospect list.
<snip>
Those are the only Cubs on the list, which totals 50. If Bryant had signed by this point he might have made it in there somewhere.*
Friggin' prospects. Give me Jeff Francoeur any day.
* Actually no. I just read the chat transcript (http://www.baseballamerica.com/chat/?1373293151) and BA's policy is not to include current draftees.
How depressing is it to watch the Cardinals and their best-record-in-baseball-positive-122-run-differential while also knowing they probably have the best farm system in the game?
Really depressing, guys. It's really depressing.
Prospects don't matter.
Quote from: Eli on July 09, 2013, 08:19:27 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 08, 2013, 11:25:32 PM
Cubs place three (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/midseason-prospect-update-top-50-prospects/) in the top 20 on Baseball America's Midseason Prospect list.
<snip>
Those are the only Cubs on the list, which totals 50. If Bryant had signed by this point he might have made it in there somewhere.*
Friggin' prospects. Give me Jeff Francoeur any day.
* Actually no. I just read the chat transcript (http://www.baseballamerica.com/chat/?1373293151) and BA's policy is not to include current draftees.
How depressing is it to watch the Cardinals and their best-record-in-baseball-positive-122-run-differential while also knowing they probably have the best farm system in the game?
Really depressing, guys. It's really depressing.
And now they're about to clarify Ty Wigginton's role. (http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_0bdf1c8b-c268-5b86-a810-2e35294f7652.html)
It's like they're intentionally trying to demoralize the Cubs.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 09, 2013, 10:40:47 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 09, 2013, 08:19:27 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 08, 2013, 11:25:32 PM
Cubs place three (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/midseason-prospect-update-top-50-prospects/) in the top 20 on Baseball America's Midseason Prospect list.
<snip>
Those are the only Cubs on the list, which totals 50. If Bryant had signed by this point he might have made it in there somewhere.*
Friggin' prospects. Give me Jeff Francoeur any day.
* Actually no. I just read the chat transcript (http://www.baseballamerica.com/chat/?1373293151) and BA's policy is not to include current draftees.
How depressing is it to watch the Cardinals and their best-record-in-baseball-positive-122-run-differential while also knowing they probably have the best farm system in the game?
Really depressing, guys. It's really depressing.
And now they're about to clarify Ty Wigginton's role. (http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_0bdf1c8b-c268-5b86-a810-2e35294f7652.html)
It's like they're intentionally trying to demoralize the Cubs.
I find it increasingly difficult to hate the Cardinals these days. Now that the Cubs aren't competitive and Pujols and LaRussa are dead, there's not much to detest. The fans, yes. But our fans are no better on the whole. I've become ambivalent to every team in baseball except the Cubs because I enjoy watching games at Wrigley and sometimes the Sox, because they smell really bad.
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 09, 2013, 10:58:21 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 09, 2013, 10:40:47 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 09, 2013, 08:19:27 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 08, 2013, 11:25:32 PM
Cubs place three (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/midseason-prospect-update-top-50-prospects/) in the top 20 on Baseball America's Midseason Prospect list.
<snip>
Those are the only Cubs on the list, which totals 50. If Bryant had signed by this point he might have made it in there somewhere.*
Friggin' prospects. Give me Jeff Francoeur any day.
* Actually no. I just read the chat transcript (http://www.baseballamerica.com/chat/?1373293151) and BA's policy is not to include current draftees.
How depressing is it to watch the Cardinals and their best-record-in-baseball-positive-122-run-differential while also knowing they probably have the best farm system in the game?
Really depressing, guys. It's really depressing.
And now they're about to clarify Ty Wigginton's role. (http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_0bdf1c8b-c268-5b86-a810-2e35294f7652.html)
It's like they're intentionally trying to demoralize the Cubs.
I find it increasingly difficult to hate the Cardinals these days. Now that the Cubs aren't competitive and Pujols and LaRussa are dead, there's not much to detest. The fans, yes. But our fans are no better on the whole. I've become ambivalent to every team in baseball except the Cubs because I enjoy watching games at Wrigley and sometimes the Sox, because they smell really bad.
Apparently clarify = release.
Awaiting Al's post to sign Wigginton in 3....2....
Quote from: Fork on July 09, 2013, 07:53:33 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 08, 2013, 11:34:57 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 08, 2013, 11:28:16 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 08, 2013, 11:25:32 PM
Friggin' prospects. Give me Jeff Francoeur any day.
Of course they are prospects. They are still alive.
Don't cross him off yet!
Kenny Hubbs is a perfect example of why the Cubs should never rely on prospects.
No, Fork.
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5215/5440453870_9a50362bc7.jpg)
Quote from: Brownie on July 09, 2013, 12:16:28 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 09, 2013, 07:53:33 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 08, 2013, 11:34:57 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 08, 2013, 11:28:16 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 08, 2013, 11:25:32 PM
Friggin' prospects. Give me Jeff Francoeur any day.
Of course they are prospects. They are still alive.
Don't cross him off yet!
Kenny Hubbs is a perfect example of why the Cubs should never rely on prospects.
No, Fork.
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5215/5440453870_9a50362bc7.jpg)
That's nuts.
DPD.
get those Bryant boners warmed up (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/22711029/cubs-close-to-deal-with-no-2-pick-bryant).
Junior Lake...BONERTIME. (http://www.bleachernation.com/2013/07/18/junior-lake-coming-up-brian-bogusevic-hitting-the-disabled-list/)
FYBH!
Quote from: PenFoe on July 18, 2013, 05:40:37 PM
Junior Lake...BONERTIME. (http://www.bleachernation.com/2013/07/18/junior-lake-coming-up-brian-bogusevic-hitting-the-disabled-list/)
FYBH!
If the Cubs had signed Francoeur there'd be no need to waste at-bats on some damn prospect.
Going to a Cougars game this afternoon (highly recommended - especially for those of you with kids), I got to see Albert Almora ply his trade in person. Believe the hype. He worked the count well and hit the ball on the screws every time up.
Vogelbach and Shoulders are fun players, but they're never going to be Cubs. Or on any other team in the National League.
Reggie Golden hit a homer, but had a couple ugly ABs. But he looks like a legit right fielder, and has a really nice arm out there.
The other guy who looked really solid in every at bat and had a couple nice plays in the field was 2B Gioskar Amaya. I know his numbers have been up and down all year, but at least today he looked like a prospect.
Next season, we're definitely doing a group buy. As it is, there was no shortage of morans today.
Quote from: Fork on July 21, 2013, 07:58:41 PM
Going to a Cougars game this afternoon (highly recommended - especially for those of you with kids), I got to see Albert Almora ply his trade in person. Believe the hype. He worked the count well and hit the ball on the screws every time up.
Vogelbach and Shoulders are fun players, but they're never going to be Cubs. Or on any other team in the National League.
Reggie Golden hit a homer, but had a couple ugly ABs. But he looks like a legit right fielder, and has a really nice arm out there.
The other guy who looked really solid in every at bat and had a couple nice plays in the field was 2B Gioskar Amaya. I know his numbers have been up and down all year, but at least today he looked like a prospect.
Next season, we're definitely doing a group buy. As it is, there was no shortage of morans today.
These opinions don't matter yet. 99 more games to watch, pal.
Jesse Sanchez channeling his inner BC in response to my query about JenHo Tseng, whom the Cubs were "on the verge of a deal with" 2 weeks ago.
Quote from: Jesse Sanchez
#Cubs have obviously been very busy, @efriedman. They are in on everyone it seems. Good time to be a fan but have to see how all plays out
Also, holy shit people on Twitter are stupid.
Quote from: Me
Profar, Perez and...? "@TBrownYahoo: In Garza negotiations, Cubs and Rangers have exchanged medical reports. Final stage."
Quote from: @WSDScofield
@efriedman No, Olt and/or Sardinas topping it off, Rangers keep Perez and Profar
Quote from: @keels81
@efriedman: ... uh, doubtful.
I don't understand this PenFoe quote tree at all:
Quote from: PenFoe on July 22, 2013, 10:39:22 AM
Jesse Sanchez channeling his inner BC in response to my query about JenHo Tseng, whom the Cubs were "on the verge of a deal with" 2 weeks ago.
Quote from: Jesse Sanchez
#Cubs have obviously been very busy, @efriedman. They are in on everyone it seems. Good time to be a fan but have to see how all plays out
Also, holy shit people on Twitter are stupid.
Quote from: Me
Profar, Perez and...? "@TBrownYahoo: In Garza negotiations, Cubs and Rangers have exchanged medical reports. Final stage."
Quote from: @WSDScofield
@efriedman No, Olt and/or Sardinas topping it off, Rangers keep Perez and Profar
[/quote
Quote from: @keels81
@efriedman: ... uh, doubtful.
[/quote
Quote from: Bort on July 22, 2013, 11:07:08 AM
I don't understand this PenFoe quote tree at all:
Jesse Sanchez channeling his inner BC in response to my query about JenHo Tseng, whom the Cubs were "on the verge of a deal with" 2 weeks ago.
Quote from: Jesse Sanchez
#Cubs have obviously been very busy, @efriedman. They are in on everyone it seems. Good time to be a fan but have to see how all plays out
Also, holy shit people on Twitter are stupid.
Quote from: Me
Profar, Perez and...? "@TBrownYahoo: In Garza negotiations, Cubs and Rangers have exchanged medical reports. Final stage."
Quote from: @WSDScofield
@efriedman No, Olt and/or Sardinas topping it off, Rangers keep Perez and Profar
Quote from: @keels81
@efriedman: ... uh, doubtful.
What?
What?
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 22, 2013, 11:39:20 AM
What?
1. I made what I thought was an obvious joke about the prospects coming back to the Cubs from Texas for Garza, lacking the necessary green font.
2. Random internet people thought I was serious and retarded (Potentially fair, since I'm a Cubs fan) and responded as such.
3. I did not profit.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 22, 2013, 11:42:57 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 22, 2013, 11:39:20 AM
What?
1. I made what I thought was an obvious joke about the prospects coming back to the Cubs from Texas for Garza, lacking the necessary green font.
2. Random internet people thought I was serious and retarded (Potentially fair, since I'm a Cubs fan) and responded as such.
3. I did not profit.
Maybe just change your sig line to Cool Story, Bro and save us all the bother.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 21, 2013, 08:28:19 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 21, 2013, 07:58:41 PM
Going to a Cougars game this afternoon (highly recommended - especially for those of you with kids), I got to see Albert Almora ply his trade in person. Believe the hype. He worked the count well and hit the ball on the screws every time up.
Vogelbach and Shoulders are fun players, but they're never going to be Cubs. Or on any other team in the National League.
Reggie Golden hit a homer, but had a couple ugly ABs. But he looks like a legit right fielder, and has a really nice arm out there.
The other guy who looked really solid in every at bat and had a couple nice plays in the field was 2B Gioskar Amaya. I know his numbers have been up and down all year, but at least today he looked like a prospect.
Next season, we're definitely doing a group buy. As it is, there was no shortage of morans today.
These opinions don't matter yet. 99 more games to watch, pal.
If it meanss 99 more of theor BBQ pork chop sandwiches, I'm in.
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 22, 2013, 11:47:21 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 22, 2013, 11:42:57 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 22, 2013, 11:39:20 AM
What?
1. I made what I thought was an obvious joke about the prospects coming back to the Cubs from Texas for Garza, lacking the necessary green font.
2. Random internet people thought I was serious and retarded (Potentially fair, since I'm a Cubs fan) and responded as such.
3. I did not profit.
Maybe just change your sig line to Cool Story, Bro and save us all the bother.
The intention of the original post was that Jen-Ho Tseng is still in play and that Jesse wants us to wait to see how it all plays out.
Admittedly, I probably should have stopped there.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 22, 2013, 11:51:42 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on July 22, 2013, 11:47:21 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 22, 2013, 11:42:57 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 22, 2013, 11:39:20 AM
What?
1. I made what I thought was an obvious joke about the prospects coming back to the Cubs from Texas for Garza, lacking the necessary green font.
2. Random internet people thought I was serious and retarded (Potentially fair, since I'm a Cubs fan) and responded as such.
3. I did not profit.
Maybe just change your sig line to Cool Story, Bro and save us all the bother.
The intention of the original post was that Jen-Ho Tseng is still in play and that Jesse wants us to wait to see how it all plays out.
Admittedly I admit it, I probably should have stopped there.
Sincerity'd
Kris Bryant made his professional debut yesterday (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2013_07_21_cubrok_dodrok_1) with Mesa, going 0-for-3 with a strikeout. He also made two throwing errors and one fielding error for a grand total of three.
EPSTINK IS TERRIBLE!
Quote from: Fork on July 22, 2013, 11:48:57 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 21, 2013, 08:28:19 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 21, 2013, 07:58:41 PM
Going to a Cougars game this afternoon (highly recommended - especially for those of you with kids), I got to see Albert Almora ply his trade in person. Believe the hype. He worked the count well and hit the ball on the screws every time up.
Vogelbach and Shoulders are fun players, but they're never going to be Cubs. Or on any other team in the National League.
Reggie Golden hit a homer, but had a couple ugly ABs. But he looks like a legit right fielder, and has a really nice arm out there.
The other guy who looked really solid in every at bat and had a couple nice plays in the field was 2B Gioskar Amaya. I know his numbers have been up and down all year, but at least today he looked like a prospect.
Next season, we're definitely doing a group buy. As it is, there was no shortage of morans today.
These opinions don't matter yet. 99 more games to watch, pal.
If it meanss 99 more of theor BBQ pork chop sandwiches, I'm in.
Those pork chop sandwiches were an attraction the last time I was at Elfstrom Stadium in 1994. Nice to know that hasn't changed.
Quote from: PANK! on July 22, 2013, 12:42:39 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 22, 2013, 11:48:57 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 21, 2013, 08:28:19 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 21, 2013, 07:58:41 PM
Going to a Cougars game this afternoon (highly recommended - especially for those of you with kids), I got to see Albert Almora ply his trade in person. Believe the hype. He worked the count well and hit the ball on the screws every time up.
Vogelbach and Shoulders are fun players, but they're never going to be Cubs. Or on any other team in the National League.
Reggie Golden hit a homer, but had a couple ugly ABs. But he looks like a legit right fielder, and has a really nice arm out there.
The other guy who looked really solid in every at bat and had a couple nice plays in the field was 2B Gioskar Amaya. I know his numbers have been up and down all year, but at least today he looked like a prospect.
Next season, we're definitely doing a group buy. As it is, there was no shortage of morans today.
These opinions don't matter yet. 99 more games to watch, pal.
If it meanss 99 more of theor BBQ pork chop sandwiches, I'm in.
Those pork chop sandwiches were an attraction the last time I was at Elfstrom Stadium in 1994. Nice to know that hasn't changed.
Any comparison to the Iowa Pork Sandwiches at Hohokam?
Switching to this thread since CJ "String Bean Slinger" Edwards is a Cub now. Tuned into the Sally League's Hickory Crawdads broadcast just to hear if they said anything about Edwards, who was scheduled to start tonight but like Garza was obviously scratched. The announcer said Edwards will be assigned to High-A Daytona, so the Cubs are challenging him a little bit -- it'd be like promoting him from Kane County. Epstink thinks he's ready for the next level.
How long until Al is asking the kid to email him? (https://twitter.com/CEdwardsSBS) I say two weeks.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-curious-case-of-junior-lake/
QuoteJust like how we do not anticipate Yasiel Puig to maintain a .463 BABIP through the remainder of his career, we cannot anticipate Lake hitting 54 homers and BABIPing .600.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 22, 2013, 01:19:54 PM
Quote from: PANK! on July 22, 2013, 12:42:39 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 22, 2013, 11:48:57 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 21, 2013, 08:28:19 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 21, 2013, 07:58:41 PM
Going to a Cougars game this afternoon (highly recommended - especially for those of you with kids), I got to see Albert Almora ply his trade in person. Believe the hype. He worked the count well and hit the ball on the screws every time up.
Vogelbach and Shoulders are fun players, but they're never going to be Cubs. Or on any other team in the National League.
Reggie Golden hit a homer, but had a couple ugly ABs. But he looks like a legit right fielder, and has a really nice arm out there.
The other guy who looked really solid in every at bat and had a couple nice plays in the field was 2B Gioskar Amaya. I know his numbers have been up and down all year, but at least today he looked like a prospect.
Next season, we're definitely doing a group buy. As it is, there was no shortage of morans today.
These opinions don't matter yet. 99 more games to watch, pal.
If it meanss 99 more of theor BBQ pork chop sandwiches, I'm in.
Those pork chop sandwiches were an attraction the last time I was at Elfstrom Stadium in 1994. Nice to know that hasn't changed.
Any comparison to the Iowa Pork Sandwiches at Hohokam?
Or the pepper steak in the Cook County slam?
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 25, 2013, 12:49:09 PM
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-curious-case-of-junior-lake/
QuoteJust like how we do not anticipate Yasiel Puig to maintain a .463 BABIP through the remainder of his career, we cannot anticipate Lake hitting 54 homers and BABIPing .600.
Junior Lake makes my pants warm.
What I like about him is that his failures are spectacular as are his successes. So when he crashes back to earth it will be hilarious.
Quote from: Slaky on July 25, 2013, 01:14:04 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 25, 2013, 12:49:09 PM
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-curious-case-of-junior-lake/
QuoteJust like how we do not anticipate Yasiel Puig to maintain a .463 BABIP through the remainder of his career, we cannot anticipate Lake hitting 54 homers and BABIPing .600.
Junior Lake makes my pants warm.
What I like about him is that his failures are spectacular as are his successes. So when he crashes back to earth it will be hilarious.
I still can't believe that his first starts at CF are at the major league level. Talk about setting him up for failure. He's actually done better than I would have thought in center.
Quote from: BH on July 25, 2013, 01:37:21 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 25, 2013, 01:14:04 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 25, 2013, 12:49:09 PM
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-curious-case-of-junior-lake/
QuoteJust like how we do not anticipate Yasiel Puig to maintain a .463 BABIP through the remainder of his career, we cannot anticipate Lake hitting 54 homers and BABIPing .600.
Junior Lake makes my pants warm.
What I like about him is that his failures are spectacular as are his successes. So when he crashes back to earth it will be hilarious.
I still can't believe that his first starts at CF are at the major league level. Talk about setting him up for failure. He's actually done better than I would have thought in center.
He's had at least two plays that have had me laughing my ass off. The first was the wall-crash where I thought he died. The second was him Sosaing the throw to home into the crowd for a seventeen base error.
Oh Junior. Never change.
There was a third - he ran in to claim a fly ball and him and Castro had no idea who should take it and it dropped.
He can run but he really fucking sucks at the outfield.
Quote from: Slaky on July 25, 2013, 02:27:41 PM
Quote from: BH on July 25, 2013, 01:37:21 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 25, 2013, 01:14:04 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 25, 2013, 12:49:09 PM
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-curious-case-of-junior-lake/
QuoteJust like how we do not anticipate Yasiel Puig to maintain a .463 BABIP through the remainder of his career, we cannot anticipate Lake hitting 54 homers and BABIPing .600.
Junior Lake makes my pants warm.
What I like about him is that his failures are spectacular as are his successes. So when he crashes back to earth it will be hilarious.
I still can't believe that his first starts at CF are at the major league level. Talk about setting him up for failure. He's actually done better than I would have thought in center.
He's had at least two plays that have had me laughing my ass off. The first was the wall-crash where I thought he died. The second was him Sosaing the throw to home into the crowd for a seventeen base error.
Oh Junior. Never change.
There was a third - he ran in to claim a fly ball and him and Castro had no idea who should take it and it dropped.
He can run but he really fucking sucks at the outfield.
Bonus quote:
QuoteBut this can still be a coming out party. Lake still has a lot more going for him than just a fourth outfielder. Cue Newman:
QuoteOn defense, Lake has one of the best arms in all of minor league baseball. At some point, a move to the mound may become an option if the organization were to deem his development as a position player a lost cause. ... Lake is a plus runner. With 38 stolen bases in 44 attempts, base running is the most polished aspect of his game. With his physique, his speed should continue to be a weapon for years to come leaving him with the potential for 25+ stolen bases annually should he reach Chicago for good. In many respects, his game resembles that of a poor man's B.J. Upton without the added value of bases on balls.
The Cubs
could use a toolsy, base-stealing pitcher, Mr. Burns.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 25, 2013, 02:32:55 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 25, 2013, 02:27:41 PM
Quote from: BH on July 25, 2013, 01:37:21 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 25, 2013, 01:14:04 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 25, 2013, 12:49:09 PM
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-curious-case-of-junior-lake/
QuoteJust like how we do not anticipate Yasiel Puig to maintain a .463 BABIP through the remainder of his career, we cannot anticipate Lake hitting 54 homers and BABIPing .600.
Junior Lake makes my pants warm.
What I like about him is that his failures are spectacular as are his successes. So when he crashes back to earth it will be hilarious.
I still can't believe that his first starts at CF are at the major league level. Talk about setting him up for failure. He's actually done better than I would have thought in center.
He's had at least two plays that have had me laughing my ass off. The first was the wall-crash where I thought he died. The second was him Sosaing the throw to home into the crowd for a seventeen base error.
Oh Junior. Never change.
There was a third - he ran in to claim a fly ball and him and Castro had no idea who should take it and it dropped.
He can run but he really fucking sucks at the outfield.
Bonus quote:
QuoteBut this can still be a coming out party. Lake still has a lot more going for him than just a fourth outfielder. Cue Newman:
QuoteOn defense, Lake has one of the best arms in all of minor league baseball. At some point, a move to the mound may become an option if the organization were to deem his development as a position player a lost cause. ... Lake is a plus runner. With 38 stolen bases in 44 attempts, base running is the most polished aspect of his game. With his physique, his speed should continue to be a weapon for years to come leaving him with the potential for 25+ stolen bases annually should he reach Chicago for good. In many respects, his game resembles that of a poor man's B.J. Upton without the added value of bases on balls.
The Cubs could use a toolsy, base-stealing pitcher, Mr. Burns.
And you thought that we would never see the likes of Hal Jeffcoat again.
(http://i.imgur.com/IJTWp91.jpg)
So if we pretend all the Cubs' top prospects fill out their projections, and the arrival of Olt moves Bryant to LF, and Baez moves Castro to 2B, these would be the Cubs' position players in 5 years:
1B - Anthony Rizzo
2B - Starlin Castro
SS - Javier Baez
3B - MIKE OLT!
LF - Kris Bryant
CF - Albert Almora
RF - Jorge Soler
C - Willson Contreras
With this type of depth in the organization, the Cubs can go 50/50 on prospects and still throw one helluva team on the field.
Quote from: Fork on July 26, 2013, 12:36:49 PM
So if we pretend all the Cubs' top prospects fill out their projections, and the arrival of Olt moves Bryant to LF, and Baez moves Castro to 2B, these would be the Cubs' position players in 5 years:
1B - Anthony Rizzo
2B - Starlin Castro
SS - Javier Baez
3B - MIKE OLT!
LF - Kris Bryant
CF - Albert Almora
RF - Jorge Soler
C - Willson Contreras
With this type of depth in the organization, the Cubs can go 50/50 on prospects and still throw one helluva team on the field.
And with payroll declinging rapidly and revenues projected to increase sharply, they could hit on 50%, trade 25% and sign free agents for the other 25% and stay well below luxury tax levels.
This is playing out quite nicely.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 26, 2013, 12:51:22 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 26, 2013, 12:36:49 PM
So if we pretend all the Cubs' top prospects fill out their projections, and the arrival of Olt moves Bryant to LF, and Baez moves Castro to 2B, these would be the Cubs' position players in 5 years:
1B - Anthony Rizzo
2B - Starlin Castro
SS - Javier Baez
3B - MIKE OLT!
LF - Kris Bryant
CF - Albert Almora
RF - Jorge Soler
C - Willson Contreras
With this type of depth in the organization, the Cubs can go 50/50 on prospects and still throw one helluva team on the field.
And with payroll declinging rapidly and revenues projected to increase sharply, they could hit on 50%, trade 25% and sign free agents for the other 25% and stay well below luxury tax levels.
This is playing out quite nicely.
The Soler contract will be the greatest thing ever by the time it's done.
Quote from: Fork on July 26, 2013, 01:20:41 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 26, 2013, 12:51:22 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 26, 2013, 12:36:49 PM
So if we pretend all the Cubs' top prospects fill out their projections, and the arrival of Olt moves Bryant to LF, and Baez moves Castro to 2B, these would be the Cubs' position players in 5 years:
1B - Anthony Rizzo
2B - Starlin Castro
SS - Javier Baez
3B - MIKE OLT!
LF - Kris Bryant
CF - Albert Almora
RF - Jorge Soler
C - Willson Contreras
With this type of depth in the organization, the Cubs can go 50/50 on prospects and still throw one helluva team on the field.
And with payroll declinging rapidly and revenues projected to increase sharply, they could hit on 50%, trade 25% and sign free agents for the other 25% and stay well below luxury tax levels.
This is playing out quite nicely.
The Soler contract will be the greatest thing ever by the time it's done.
Now you're just setting yourself up for link-based mockery by Future Thrill if Soler doesn't pan out.
Quote from: Bort on July 26, 2013, 01:25:07 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 26, 2013, 01:20:41 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 26, 2013, 12:51:22 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 26, 2013, 12:36:49 PM
So if we pretend all the Cubs' top prospects fill out their projections, and the arrival of Olt moves Bryant to LF, and Baez moves Castro to 2B, these would be the Cubs' position players in 5 years:
1B - Anthony Rizzo
2B - Starlin Castro
SS - Javier Baez
3B - MIKE OLT!
LF - Kris Bryant
CF - Albert Almora
RF - Jorge Soler
C - Willson Contreras
With this type of depth in the organization, the Cubs can go 50/50 on prospects and still throw one helluva team on the field.
And with payroll declinging rapidly and revenues projected to increase sharply, they could hit on 50%, trade 25% and sign free agents for the other 25% and stay well below luxury tax levels.
This is playing out quite nicely.
The Soler contract will be the greatest thing ever by the time it's done.
Now you're just setting yourself up for link-based mockery by Future Thrill if Soler doesn't pan out.
The cubs have alcantera as well, who could be very good (2b/ss). The cubs may have the 2nd best farm system in baseball.
Quote from: BH on July 26, 2013, 01:29:37 PM
The cubs may have the 2nd best farm system in baseball.
But they have very little near-ready starting pitching. Guess here is that the bulk of trades of the new talent (the other 25%) will be for pitching. Established pitching. Like, Tampa Bay Rays pitching. Or Detroit Tigers pitching.
If the 2015 roster pans out as shown above, the payroll for those 8 guys would be what, $30 million? Add in Scherzer and Price, then spend some bux on Shields and Back to the Future will be correct.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 26, 2013, 01:39:14 PM
Quote from: BH on July 26, 2013, 01:29:37 PM
The cubs may have the 2nd best farm system in baseball.
But they have very little near-ready starting pitching. Guess here is that the bulk of trades of the new talent (the other 25%) will be for pitching. Established pitching. Like, Tampa Bay Rays pitching. Or Detroit Tigers pitching.
If the 2015 roster pans out as shown above, the payroll for those 8 guys would be what, $30 million? Add in Scherzer and Price, then spend some bux on Shields and Back to the Future will be correct.
Something something Robinson Cano.
This fucking thread is awesome.
I can't wait until the Cubs win their fourth World Series and all we do is walk around drunk and make fun of people who used to talk shit about the Cubs but can't because of the giant bag of dicks lodged in the lining of their hearts.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 26, 2013, 01:39:14 PM
But they have very little near-ready starting pitching.
No one will care about pitching when Baez/Bryant/Soler are combining for 175 home runs a year.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 26, 2013, 01:39:14 PM
Quote from: BH on July 26, 2013, 01:29:37 PM
The cubs may have the 2nd best farm system in baseball.
But they have very little near-ready starting pitching. Guess here is that the bulk of trades of the new talent (the other 25%) will be for pitching. Established pitching. Like, Tampa Bay Rays pitching. Or Detroit Tigers pitching.
If the 2015 roster pans out as shown above, the payroll for those 8 guys would be what, $30 million? Add in Scherzer and Price, then spend some bux on Shields and Back to the Future will be correct.
Look beyond the chumbucket that is Iowa pitching. No aces at any level, but a bunch of solid guys.
Quote from: Fork on July 26, 2013, 03:40:48 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 26, 2013, 01:39:14 PM
Quote from: BH on July 26, 2013, 01:29:37 PM
The cubs may have the 2nd best farm system in baseball.
But they have very little near-ready starting pitching. Guess here is that the bulk of trades of the new talent (the other 25%) will be for pitching. Established pitching. Like, Tampa Bay Rays pitching. Or Detroit Tigers pitching.
If the 2015 roster pans out as shown above, the payroll for those 8 guys would be what, $30 million? Add in Scherzer and Price, then spend some bux on Shields and Back to the Future will be correct.
Look beyond the chumbucket that is Iowa pitching. No aces at any level, but a bunch of solid guys.
Yeah, but will they be ready by 2014-2015? I think some big trades are coming.
Quote from: Eli on July 26, 2013, 02:41:54 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 26, 2013, 01:39:14 PM
But they have very little near-ready starting pitching.
No one will care about pitching when Baez/Bryant/Soler are combining for 175 home runs a year.
No one will care about errors either. Winning 20-5 instead of 20-1, what's the difference.
DPD for BONERTIME!!!!!! (http://www.milb.com/multimedia/vpp.jsp?content_id=29171647&topic_id=&sid=milb&v=3&tcid=tw_video_)
Pro Tip: Wanna know if a sports clip was cut by the broadcaster? If you have to sit through one minute of "context" before the actual highlight, then it was cut by the broadcaster.
Another thing to consider in all this is the fact that the Cubs' contract with WGN expires in what, 2018? Which is when we can expect CubsNet or whatever the Ricketts' version of NESN or YES will be. They'll have one helluva product for launching it.
Quote from: Fork on July 27, 2013, 12:35:13 AM
Another thing to consider in all this is the fact that the Cubs' contract with WGN expires in what, 2018? Which is when we can expect CubsNet or whatever the Ricketts' version of NESN or YES will be. They'll have one helluva product for launching it.
Cubs' Universal Broadcast Entertainment System. CUBESNet.
A very poorly-written but still worthwhile look at how reliable Baseball America's Top 100 Prospects rankings are. (http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2013/6/3/4386214/how-well-does-the-baseball-america-prospect-top-100-estimate-the-top)
(http://i.imgur.com/LGn8VPV.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/8VJjSAF.jpg)
Looks like Tennessee gets another pitcher (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130727/SPORTS/130729790/1001?Title=Daytona-s-Loosen-sent-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to keep an eye on.
Quote from: Fork on July 27, 2013, 11:01:28 PM
Looks like Tennessee gets another pitcher (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130727/SPORTS/130729790/1001?Title=Daytona-s-Loosen-sent-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to keep an eye on.
As for Daytona, C.J. Edwards is scheduled to make his Cubs debut tomorrow. Can't wait to overreact.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 27, 2013, 11:15:45 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 27, 2013, 11:01:28 PM
Looks like Tennessee gets another pitcher (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130727/SPORTS/130729790/1001?Title=Daytona-s-Loosen-sent-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to keep an eye on.
As for Daytona, C.J. Edwards is scheduled to make his Cubs debut tomorrow. Can't wait to overreact.
First-pitch HR?
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 28, 2013, 12:17:38 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 27, 2013, 11:15:45 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 27, 2013, 11:01:28 PM
Looks like Tennessee gets another pitcher (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130727/SPORTS/130729790/1001?Title=Daytona-s-Loosen-sent-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to keep an eye on.
As for Daytona, C.J. Edwards is scheduled to make his Cubs debut tomorrow. Can't wait to overreact.
First-pitch HR?
SHOULDA RE-SIGNED GARZA
Quote from: Fork on July 27, 2013, 11:01:28 PM
Loor and I came acrossks like Tennessee gets another pitcher (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130727/SPORTS/130729790/1001?Title=Daytona-s-Loosen-sent-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to keep an eye on.
So this prompted me to look at Tennessee's roster this guy (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t553&t=p_pbp&pid=543294). Has Kyle Hendricks been discussed?
Team League W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG
TNS SOU 10 3 1.87 20 20 1 1 0 120.1 100 33 25 3 25 97 1.81 .223
Quote from: Fork on July 27, 2013, 11:01:28 PM
Looks like Tennessee gets another pitcher (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130727/SPORTS/130729790/1001?Title=Daytona-s-Loosen-sent-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to keep an eye on.
This is his third crack at AA if I recall.
Quote from: Slaky on July 28, 2013, 11:47:57 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 27, 2013, 11:01:28 PM
Looks like Tennessee gets another pitcher (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130727/SPORTS/130729790/1001?Title=Daytona-s-Loosen-sent-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to keep an eye on.
This is his third crack at AA if I recall.
Apparently his second (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=hendri001kyl) and only if one 3 inning start toward the end of 2011 should count as a full crack.
DPD. He was part of the Dempster trade.
For one shining moment, I'm not hating that glorious fuckwad.
Quote from: PANK! on July 28, 2013, 12:08:36 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 28, 2013, 11:47:57 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 27, 2013, 11:01:28 PM
Looks like Tennessee gets another pitcher (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130727/SPORTS/130729790/1001?Title=Daytona-s-Loosen-sent-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to keep an eye on.
This is his third crack at AA if I recall.
Apparently his second (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=hendri001kyl) and only if one 3 inning start toward the end of 2011 should count as a full crack.
Who are we talking about?
Quote from: PANK! on July 28, 2013, 12:10:57 PM
DPD. He was part of the Dempster trade.
For one shining moment, I'm not hating that glorious fuckwad.
Meanwhile, in Arizona... (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/delgara01.shtml)
2.85 ERA, 1.267 WHIP, 3.80 SO/BB in 8 starts and one 2-inning relief appearance since his call-up at the the start of June.
Including a 3H/1BB complete-game shutout against the Padres on Friday.
Quote from: Eli on July 28, 2013, 01:28:04 PM
Quote from: PANK! on July 28, 2013, 12:08:36 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 28, 2013, 11:47:57 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 27, 2013, 11:01:28 PM
Looks like Tennessee gets another pitcher (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130727/SPORTS/130729790/1001?Title=Daytona-s-Loosen-sent-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to keep an eye on.
This is his third crack at AA if I recall.
Apparently his second (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=hendri001kyl) and only if one 3 inning start toward the end of 2011 should count as a full crack.
Who are we talking about?
Chris Archer.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 28, 2013, 01:48:02 PM
Quote from: PANK! on July 28, 2013, 12:10:57 PM
DPD. He was part of the Dempster trade.
For one shining moment, I'm not hating that glorious fuckwad.
Meanwhile, in Arizona... (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/delgara01.shtml)
2.85 ERA, 1.267 WHIP, 3.80 SO/BB in 8 starts and one 2-inning relief appearance since his call-up at the the start of June.
Including a 3H/1BB complete-game shutout against the Padres on Friday.
This is Dempster's best running joke yet!
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 28, 2013, 12:17:38 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 27, 2013, 11:15:45 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 27, 2013, 11:01:28 PM
Looks like Tennessee gets another pitcher (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130727/SPORTS/130729790/1001?Title=Daytona-s-Loosen-sent-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to keep an eye on.
As for Daytona, C.J. Edwards is scheduled to make his Cubs debut tomorrow. Can't wait to overreact.
First-pitch HR?
5 scoreless, 8 Ks. Struck out the first 6 batters in a row. Not too shabby.
Quote from: PANK! on July 28, 2013, 11:46:27 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 27, 2013, 11:01:28 PM
Loor and I came acrossks like Tennessee gets another pitcher (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130727/SPORTS/130729790/1001?Title=Daytona-s-Loosen-sent-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to keep an eye on.
So this prompted me to look at Tennessee's roster this guy (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t553&t=p_pbp&pid=543294). Has Kyle Hendricks been discussed?
Team League W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG
TNS SOU 10 3 1.87 20 20 1 1 0 120.1 100 33 25 3 25 97 1.81 .223
Hendrick's numbers are great - and he started the Southern League All-Star game. But he's a guy who wins with guile. His stuff isn't overpowering, but he's got nice placement. I'll get excited if he puts up similar numbers against more experienced hitters in the PCL.
Quote from: Fork on July 28, 2013, 07:32:05 PM
Quote from: PANK! on July 28, 2013, 11:46:27 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 27, 2013, 11:01:28 PM
Loor and I came acrossks like Tennessee gets another pitcher (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130727/SPORTS/130729790/1001?Title=Daytona-s-Loosen-sent-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to keep an eye on.
So this prompted me to look at Tennessee's roster this guy (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t553&t=p_pbp&pid=543294). Has Kyle Hendricks been discussed?
Team League W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG
TNS SOU 10 3 1.87 20 20 1 1 0 120.1 100 33 25 3 25 97 1.81 .223
Hendrick's numbers are great - and he started the Southern League All-Star game. But he's a guy who wins with guile. His stuff isn't overpowering, but he's got nice placement. I'll get excited if he puts up similar numbers against more experienced hitters in the PCL.
Sounds like the book on Maddux.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 28, 2013, 08:25:04 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 28, 2013, 07:32:05 PM
Quote from: PANK! on July 28, 2013, 11:46:27 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 27, 2013, 11:01:28 PM
Loor and I came acrossks like Tennessee gets another pitcher (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130727/SPORTS/130729790/1001?Title=Daytona-s-Loosen-sent-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to keep an eye on.
So this prompted me to look at Tennessee's roster this guy (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t553&t=p_pbp&pid=543294). Has Kyle Hendricks been discussed?
Team League W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG
TNS SOU 10 3 1.87 20 20 1 1 0 120.1 100 33 25 3 25 97 1.81 .223
Hendrick's numbers are great - and he started the Southern League All-Star game. But he's a guy who wins with guile. His stuff isn't overpowering, but he's got nice placement. I'll get excited if he puts up similar numbers against more experienced hitters in the PCL.
Sounds like the book on Maddux.
Or literally any of the hundred(s of) other reasonably successful non-power pitchers who have ever existed.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 28, 2013, 10:15:11 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 28, 2013, 08:25:04 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 28, 2013, 07:32:05 PM
Quote from: PANK! on July 28, 2013, 11:46:27 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 27, 2013, 11:01:28 PM
Loor and I came acrossks like Tennessee gets another pitcher (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130727/SPORTS/130729790/1001?Title=Daytona-s-Loosen-sent-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to keep an eye on.
So this prompted me to look at Tennessee's roster this guy (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t553&t=p_pbp&pid=543294). Has Kyle Hendricks been discussed?
Team League W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG
TNS SOU 10 3 1.87 20 20 1 1 0 120.1 100 33 25 3 25 97 1.81 .223
Hendrick's numbers are great - and he started the Southern League All-Star game. But he's a guy who wins with guile. His stuff isn't overpowering, but he's got nice placement. I'll get excited if he puts up similar numbers against more experienced hitters in the PCL.
Sounds like the book on Maddux.
Or literally any of the hundred(s of) other reasonably successful non-power pitchers who have ever existed.
Other? There has always only been one. And in a few years when Hendricks signs a lifetime contract with the Cubs and then stabs Stanton Cook in the heart with his pen, that wrong will finally have been righted.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 28, 2013, 10:15:11 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 28, 2013, 08:25:04 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 28, 2013, 07:32:05 PM
Quote from: PANK! on July 28, 2013, 11:46:27 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 27, 2013, 11:01:28 PM
Loor and I came acrossks like Tennessee gets another pitcher (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130727/SPORTS/130729790/1001?Title=Daytona-s-Loosen-sent-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to keep an eye on.
So this prompted me to look at Tennessee's roster this guy (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t553&t=p_pbp&pid=543294). Has Kyle Hendricks been discussed?
Team League W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG
TNS SOU 10 3 1.87 20 20 1 1 0 120.1 100 33 25 3 25 97 1.81 .223
Hendrick's numbers are great - and he started the Southern League All-Star game. But he's a guy who wins with guile. His stuff isn't overpowering, but he's got nice placement. I'll get excited if he puts up similar numbers against more experienced hitters in the PCL.
Sounds like the book on Maddux.
Or literally any of the hundred(s of) other reasonably successful non-power pitchers who have ever existed.
Or the thousands who never reach the majors and fail.
Hendricks?
Too fat.
Quote from: Eli on July 28, 2013, 10:43:06 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 28, 2013, 10:15:11 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 28, 2013, 08:25:04 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 28, 2013, 07:32:05 PM
Quote from: PANK! on July 28, 2013, 11:46:27 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 27, 2013, 11:01:28 PM
Loor and I came acrossks like Tennessee gets another pitcher (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130727/SPORTS/130729790/1001?Title=Daytona-s-Loosen-sent-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to keep an eye on.
So this prompted me to look at Tennessee's roster this guy (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t553&t=p_pbp&pid=543294). Has Kyle Hendricks been discussed?
Team League W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG
TNS SOU 10 3 1.87 20 20 1 1 0 120.1 100 33 25 3 25 97 1.81 .223
Hendrick's numbers are great - and he started the Southern League All-Star game. But he's a guy who wins with guile. His stuff isn't overpowering, but he's got nice placement. I'll get excited if he puts up similar numbers against more experienced hitters in the PCL.
Sounds like the book on Maddux.
Or literally any of the hundred(s of) other reasonably successful non-power pitchers who have ever existed.
Or the thousands who never reach the majors and fail.
There is no reason to promote non-power pitchers these days, what with PEDs flowing through the drinking fountains in every high school in North America and Japan.
Leave it to Huey to PANK the shit out of something he was quoting
Quote from: PANK! on July 28, 2013, 11:46:27 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 27, 2013, 11:01:28 PM
Loor and I came acrossks like Tennessee gets another pitcher (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130727/SPORTS/130729790/1001?Title=Daytona-s-Loosen-sent-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to keep an eye on.
So this prompted me to look at Tennessee's roster this guy (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t553&t=p_pbp&pid=543294). Has Kyle Hendricks been discussed?
Team League W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG
TNS SOU 10 3 1.87 20 20 1 1 0 120.1 100 33 25 3 25 97 1.81 .223
Quote from: Yeti on July 29, 2013, 08:30:29 AM
Leave it to Huey to PANK the shit out of something he was quoting
Quote from: PANK! on July 28, 2013, 11:46:27 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 27, 2013, 11:01:28 PM
Loor and I came acrossks like Tennessee gets another pitcher (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130727/SPORTS/130729790/1001?Title=Daytona-s-Loosen-sent-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to keep an eye on.
So this prompted me to look at Tennessee's roster this guy (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t553&t=p_pbp&pid=543294). Has Kyle Hendricks been discussed?
Team League W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG
TNS SOU 10 3 1.87 20 20 1 1 0 120.1 100 33 25 3 25 97 1.81 .223
Holy hell.
Loor and I came acrossks like Tennessee gets
Quote from: Bort on July 29, 2013, 08:50:08 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 29, 2013, 08:30:29 AM
Leave it to Huey to PANK the shit out of something he was quoting
Quote from: PANK! on July 28, 2013, 11:46:27 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 27, 2013, 11:01:28 PM
Loor and I came acrossks like Tennessee gets another pitcher (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130727/SPORTS/130729790/1001?Title=Daytona-s-Loosen-sent-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to keep an eye on.
So this prompted me to look at Tennessee's roster this guy (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t553&t=p_pbp&pid=543294). Has Kyle Hendricks been discussed?
Team League W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG
TNS SOU 10 3 1.87 20 20 1 1 0 120.1 100 33 25 3 25 97 1.81 .223
Holy hell.
How does that even happen?
Quote from: Eli on July 29, 2013, 10:39:46 AM
Quote from: Bort on July 29, 2013, 08:50:08 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 29, 2013, 08:30:29 AM
Leave it to Huey to PANK the shit out of something he was quoting
Quote from: PANK! on July 28, 2013, 11:46:27 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 27, 2013, 11:01:28 PM
Loor and I came acrossks like Tennessee gets another pitcher (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130727/SPORTS/130729790/1001?Title=Daytona-s-Loosen-sent-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to keep an eye on.
So this prompted me to look at Tennessee's roster this guy (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t553&t=p_pbp&pid=543294). Has Kyle Hendricks been discussed?
Team League W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG
TNS SOU 10 3 1.87 20 20 1 1 0 120.1 100 33 25 3 25 97 1.81 .223
Holy hell.
How does that even happen?
PANKBoard 3000®
Quote from: Eli on July 29, 2013, 10:39:46 AM
Quote from: Bort on July 29, 2013, 08:50:08 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 29, 2013, 08:30:29 AM
Leave it to Huey to PANK the shit out of something he was quoting
Quote from: PANK! on July 28, 2013, 11:46:27 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 27, 2013, 11:01:28 PM
Loor and I came acrossks like Tennessee gets another pitcher (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130727/SPORTS/130729790/1001?Title=Daytona-s-Loosen-sent-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to keep an eye on.
So this prompted me to look at Tennessee's roster this guy (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t553&t=p_pbp&pid=543294). Has Kyle Hendricks been discussed?
Team League W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG
TNS SOU 10 3 1.87 20 20 1 1 0 120.1 100 33 25 3 25 97 1.81 .223
Holy hell.
How does that even happen?
Something like this...
(http://i.imgur.com/rQniDQ6.png)
I want to meet this Loor fella. He seems fun to drink and shoot the shit with.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 29, 2013, 11:03:40 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 29, 2013, 10:39:46 AM
Quote from: Bort on July 29, 2013, 08:50:08 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 29, 2013, 08:30:29 AM
Leave it to Huey to PANK the shit out of something he was quoting
Quote from: PANK! on July 28, 2013, 11:46:27 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 27, 2013, 11:01:28 PM
Loor and I came acrossks like Tennessee gets another pitcher (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130727/SPORTS/130729790/1001?Title=Daytona-s-Loosen-sent-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to keep an eye on.
So this prompted me to look at Tennessee's roster this guy (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t553&t=p_pbp&pid=543294). Has Kyle Hendricks been discussed?
Team League W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG
TNS SOU 10 3 1.87 20 20 1 1 0 120.1 100 33 25 3 25 97 1.81 .223
Holy hell.
How does that even happen?
Something like this...
(http://i.imgur.com/rQniDQ6.png)
Makes sense, but I don't think it fully explains how it could happen. JESUS, Huey
Quote from: Yeti on July 29, 2013, 11:33:43 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 29, 2013, 11:03:40 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 29, 2013, 10:39:46 AM
Quote from: Bort on July 29, 2013, 08:50:08 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 29, 2013, 08:30:29 AM
Leave it to Huey to PANK the shit out of something he was quoting
Quote from: PANK! on July 28, 2013, 11:46:27 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 27, 2013, 11:01:28 PM
Loor and I came acrossks like Tennessee gets another pitcher (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130727/SPORTS/130729790/1001?Title=Daytona-s-Loosen-sent-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to keep an eye on.
So this prompted me to look at Tennessee's roster this guy (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t553&t=p_pbp&pid=543294). Has Kyle Hendricks been discussed?
Team League W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG
TNS SOU 10 3 1.87 20 20 1 1 0 120.1 100 33 25 3 25 97 1.81 .223
Holy hell.
How does that even happen?
Something like this...
(http://i.imgur.com/rQniDQ6.png)
Makes sense, but I don't think it fully explains how it could happen. JESUS, Huey
I don't want to see how the sausage is made. All I know is it's
delicious.
In 20 games at AA, Baez has 10 home runs.
And 32 strikeouts.
Epstink is terrible.
Quote from: Fork on July 29, 2013, 03:19:52 PM
In 20 games at AA, Baez has 10 home runs.
And 32 strikeouts.
Epstink Hendry is terrible.
8 K's in 7 games for Kris Bryant at Boise.
Epstink is terrible?
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 30, 2013, 10:18:48 AM
8 K's in 7 games for Kris Bryant at Boise.
Epstink is terrible?
Weren't five of them in one game though? 3 in the other six isn't that bad?
Quote from: SKO on July 30, 2013, 10:20:17 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 30, 2013, 10:18:48 AM
8 K's in 7 games for Kris Bryant at Boise.
Epstink is terrible?
Weren't five of them in one game though? 3 in the other six isn't that bad?
If you don't count the games he doesn't strike out in, he
never strikes out!
Edit: The more pertinent response is...
DRLP.
Quote from: CBStew on July 24, 2013, 02:17:00 PM
Put it there for the Kris Bryant line. Five at bats, five KO.
Quote from: SKO on July 30, 2013, 10:20:17 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 30, 2013, 10:18:48 AM
8 K's in 7 games for Kris Bryant at Boise.
Epstink is terrible?
Weren't five of them in one game though? 3 in the other six isn't that bad?
Correct. He doubled and walked yesterday and his average is creeping up.
Zastryzny is pitching decent, too.
Can the MLB roster just play in Iowa and we have a rotating display of the minor league teams at Wrigley?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 30, 2013, 11:04:14 AM
Can the MLB roster just play in Iowa and we have a rotating display of the minor league teams at Wrigley?
Isn't that what they've been doing?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 30, 2013, 11:04:14 AM
Can the MLB roster just play in Iowa and we have a rotating display of the minor league teams at Wrigley?
This is like the '80s all over again when prospects couldn't get here fast enough: Joe Carter, Mel Hall, Shawon Dunston, Drew Hall, Jamie Moyer, Rafael Palmeiro, Greg Maddux, Lester Lancaster, Damon Berryhill, Mark Grace, Joe Girardi, Dwight Smith, Jerome Walton....
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 30, 2013, 11:19:07 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 30, 2013, 11:04:14 AM
Can the MLB roster just play in Iowa and we have a rotating display of the minor league teams at Wrigley?
Isn't that what they've been doing?
Owned.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 30, 2013, 10:26:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 30, 2013, 10:20:17 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 30, 2013, 10:18:48 AM
8 K's in 7 games for Kris Bryant at Boise.
Epstink is terrible?
Weren't five of them in one game though? 3 in the other six isn't that bad?
Correct. He doubled and walked yesterday and his average is creeping up.
Zastryzny is pitching decent, too.
At some point, he has to get a start where they leave him in past the 2nd inning though.
Quote from: Brownie on July 30, 2013, 11:35:02 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 30, 2013, 11:04:14 AM
Can the MLB roster just play in Iowa and we have a rotating display of the minor league teams at Wrigley?
This is like the '80s all over again when prospects couldn't get here fast enough: Joe Carter, Mel Hall, Shawon Dunston, Drew Hall, Jamie Moyer, Rafael Palmeiro, Greg Maddux, Lester Lancaster, Damon Berryhill, Mark Grace, Joe Girardi, Dwight Smith, Jerome Walton....
One prospect is still there (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=dunsto002sha)
Quote from: Fork on July 30, 2013, 11:36:20 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 30, 2013, 10:26:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 30, 2013, 10:20:17 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 30, 2013, 10:18:48 AM
8 K's in 7 games for Kris Bryant at Boise.
Epstink is terrible?
Weren't five of them in one game though? 3 in the other six isn't that bad?
Correct. He doubled and walked yesterday and his average is creeping up.
Zastryzny is pitching decent, too.
At some point, he has to get a start where they leave him in past the 2nd inning though.
Or maybe it's that he's already pitched a complete college season (90.2 IP) for Missouri? Yeah, probably that.
By the way, he was 2-9 (Epstink is terrible) in 2013 at Mizzou. 82 K/24 BB, 3.38 ERA in Missouri's first season in the SEC.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 30, 2013, 11:41:59 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 30, 2013, 11:36:20 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 30, 2013, 10:26:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 30, 2013, 10:20:17 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 30, 2013, 10:18:48 AM
8 K's in 7 games for Kris Bryant at Boise.
Epstink is terrible?
Weren't five of them in one game though? 3 in the other six isn't that bad?
Correct. He doubled and walked yesterday and his average is creeping up.
Zastryzny is pitching decent, too.
At some point, he has to get a start where they leave him in past the 2nd inning though.
Or maybe it's that he's already pitched a complete college season (90.2 IP) for Missouri? Yeah, probably that.
By the way, he was 2-9 (Epstink is terrible) in 2013 at Mizzou. 82 K/24 BB, 3.38 ERA in Missouri's first season in the SEC.
Owned.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 30, 2013, 11:41:59 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 30, 2013, 11:36:20 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 30, 2013, 10:26:28 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 30, 2013, 10:20:17 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 30, 2013, 10:18:48 AM
8 K's in 7 games for Kris Bryant at Boise.
Epstink is terrible?
Weren't five of them in one game though? 3 in the other six isn't that bad?
Correct. He doubled and walked yesterday and his average is creeping up.
Zastryzny is pitching decent, too.
At some point, he has to get a start where they leave him in past the 2nd inning though.
Or maybe it's that he's already pitched a complete college season (90.2 IP) for Missouri? Yeah, probably that.
By the way, he was 2-9 (Epstink is terrible) in 2013 at Mizzou. 82 K/24 BB, 3.38 ERA in Missouri's first season in the SEC.
IF HE CANT WIN BALLGAMES FOR SUM UVDA BEST FANS IN BASEBALL, HOW IS HE GUNNA WIN GAMES AT RICKLETS FIELD WHERE EVERBODY IS TOO BUSY DRINKING BEERS AND TALKING ON THERE CELL PHONES?
Quote from: Yeti on July 30, 2013, 11:38:49 AM
Quote from: Brownie on July 30, 2013, 11:35:02 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 30, 2013, 11:04:14 AM
Can the MLB roster just play in Iowa and we have a rotating display of the minor league teams at Wrigley?
This is like the '80s all over again when prospects couldn't get here fast enough: Joe Carter, Mel Hall, Shawon Dunston, Drew Hall, Jamie Moyer, Rafael Palmeiro, Greg Maddux, Lester Lancaster, Damon Berryhill, Mark Grace, Joe Girardi, Dwight Smith, Jerome Walton....
One prospect is still there (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=dunsto002sha)
A little wrong-righting can double that (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=596105).
Cubs called up Jake Arrieta. He'll pitch in the doubleheader. Not really a "prospect" anymore, but at least we'll get to see what he's got.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 30, 2013, 12:39:57 PM
Cubs called up Jake Arrieta. He'll pitch in the doubleheader. Not really a "prospect" anymore, but at least we'll get to see what he's got.
Spoiler alert: Nothing.
Quote from: Fork on July 30, 2013, 11:52:49 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 30, 2013, 11:38:49 AM
Quote from: Brownie on July 30, 2013, 11:35:02 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 30, 2013, 11:04:14 AM
Can the MLB roster just play in Iowa and we have a rotating display of the minor league teams at Wrigley?
This is like the '80s all over again when prospects couldn't get here fast enough: Joe Carter, Mel Hall, Shawon Dunston, Drew Hall, Jamie Moyer, Rafael Palmeiro, Greg Maddux, Lester Lancaster, Damon Berryhill, Mark Grace, Joe Girardi, Dwight Smith, Jerome Walton....
One prospect is still there (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=dunsto002sha)
A little wrong-righting can double that (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=596105).
He's hitting .208 vs. LHP. No need for a paternity test.
Quote from: Shooter on July 30, 2013, 07:33:48 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 30, 2013, 11:52:49 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 30, 2013, 11:38:49 AM
Quote from: Brownie on July 30, 2013, 11:35:02 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 30, 2013, 11:04:14 AM
Can the MLB roster just play in Iowa and we have a rotating display of the minor league teams at Wrigley?
This is like the '80s all over again when prospects couldn't get here fast enough: Joe Carter, Mel Hall, Shawon Dunston, Drew Hall, Jamie Moyer, Rafael Palmeiro, Greg Maddux, Lester Lancaster, Damon Berryhill, Mark Grace, Joe Girardi, Dwight Smith, Jerome Walton....
One prospect is still there (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=dunsto002sha)
A little wrong-righting can double that (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=596105).
He's hitting .208 vs. LHP. No need for a paternity test.
Forget where I read on here (something by Slaky I think) where Junior Lake is superfuckingfast but can't play OF and I immediately though of the elder Dwight Smith. Fastest guy on the Cubs. but couldn't play the outfield or run the bases, though. Shame. That's my Dwight Smith Story.
That, and he and I fist-bumped when he showed up at Shitty's in '07. #coolstorybro
Quote from: PANK! on July 30, 2013, 07:48:23 PM
Forget where I read on here (something by Slaky I think) where Junior Lake is superfuckingfast but can't play OF and I immediately though of the elder Dwight Smith.
I think the difference is that Smith was an outfielder his entire career and already had nearly 500 pro games in the outfield before his call-up.
Whereas the thing about Lake is that, in his 7 pro seasons, he'd never played anywhere outside of the infield (mostly at short) until this past June 7, when he saw the first of just 6 starts in right with Iowa, and that his major league debut was also his pro debut in center.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 30, 2013, 08:48:29 PM
Quote from: PANK! on July 30, 2013, 07:48:23 PM
Forget where I read on here (something by Slaky I think) where Junior Lake is superfuckingfast but can't play OF and I immediately though of the elder Dwight Smith.
I think the difference is that Smith was an outfielder his entire career and already had nearly 500 pro games in the outfield before his call-up.
Whereas the thing about Lake is that, in his 7 pro seasons, he'd never played anywhere outside of the infield (mostly at short) until this past June 7, when he saw the first of just 6 starts in right with Iowa, and that his major league debut was also his pro debut in center.
Seems like he's starting to figure it out. (http://wapc.mlb.com/play?content_id=29273637)
Quote from: ChuckD on July 30, 2013, 08:57:37 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 30, 2013, 08:48:29 PM
Quote from: PANK! on July 30, 2013, 07:48:23 PM
Forget where I read on here (something by Slaky I think) where Junior Lake is superfuckingfast but can't play OF and I immediately though of the elder Dwight Smith.
I think the difference is that Smith was an outfielder his entire career and already had nearly 500 pro games in the outfield before his call-up.
Whereas the thing about Lake is that, in his 7 pro seasons, he'd never played anywhere outside of the infield (mostly at short) until this past June 7, when he saw the first of just 6 starts in right with Iowa, and that his major league debut was also his pro debut in center.
Seems like he's starting to figure it out. (http://wapc.mlb.com/play?content_id=29273637)
JUST AS CHUCK PREDICTED.
Kris Bryant went 2 for 4 with another 2B last night. His average is up to .226 after that 5 K start.
Zastryzny pitched two more innings (much to Fork's dismay) and struck out 2 while only giving up a hit.
Baez walked once and didn't K in his 7 AB's last night.
Third round pick Jacob Hannemann is hitting .290/.313/.468/.780 with a dong, 4 2B and 2 3B, but an 11/2 K/BB in 14 games.
Positive?
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 31, 2013, 09:11:22 AM
Kris Bryant went 2 for 4 with another 2B last night. His average is up to .226 after that 5 K start.
Zastryzny pitched two more innings (much to Fork's dismay) and struck out 2 while only giving up a hit.
Baez walked once and didn't K in his 7 AB's last night.
Third round pick Jacob Hannemann is hitting .290/.313/.468/.780 with a dong, 4 2B and 2 3B, but an 11/2 K/BB in 14 games.
Positive?
On the downside, Mike Olt has a .284 OPS since starting in Iowa.
But back on the upside, C.J. Edwards was really good in his debut.
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Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 31, 2013, 09:33:28 AM
But back on the upside, C.J. Edwards was really good in his debut.
DRLP.
Quote from: Eli on July 28, 2013, 07:30:51 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 28, 2013, 12:17:38 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 27, 2013, 11:15:45 PM
As for Daytona, C.J. Edwards is scheduled to make his Cubs debut tomorrow. Can't wait to overreact.
First-pitch HR?
5 scoreless, 8 Ks. Struck out the first 6 batters in a row. Not too shabby.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 31, 2013, 09:56:53 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 31, 2013, 09:33:28 AM
But back on the upside, C.J. Edwards was really good in his debut.
DRLP.
Quote from: Eli on July 28, 2013, 07:30:51 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 28, 2013, 12:17:38 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 27, 2013, 11:15:45 PM
As for Daytona, C.J. Edwards is scheduled to make his Cubs debut tomorrow. Can't wait to overreact.
First-pitch HR?
5 scoreless, 8 Ks. Struck out the first 6 batters in a row. Not too shabby.
Not even the best new guy in Daytona (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=606335).
Quote from: Fork on July 31, 2013, 08:33:46 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 31, 2013, 09:56:53 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 31, 2013, 09:33:28 AM
But back on the upside, C.J. Edwards was really good in his debut.
DRLP.
Quote from: Eli on July 28, 2013, 07:30:51 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 28, 2013, 12:17:38 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 27, 2013, 11:15:45 PM
As for Daytona, C.J. Edwards is scheduled to make his Cubs debut tomorrow. Can't wait to overreact.
First-pitch HR?
5 scoreless, 8 Ks. Struck out the first 6 batters in a row. Not too shabby.
Not even the best new guy in Daytona (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=606335).
Not sure he's better than Edwards, but not a bad return for Scott Hairston.
21/1 K/BB...not bad.
Another dong and walk game for Baez, but he also K'd twice.
Jae-Hoon Ha has another multi-hit game at Iowa, that's five in a row for him.
Kris Bryant's average is still going up, .229 now.
Mike Olt is 3-31 at Iowa with 11 K's in 8 games. Something isn't right there.
August 1 is traditionally a busy day for teams moving guys up a level. See if Almora gets to spend his last month of the season closer to home.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 01, 2013, 09:57:53 AM
Mike Olt is 3-31 at Iowa with 11 K's in 8 games. Something isn't right there.
He's blind.
Quote from: Eli on August 01, 2013, 10:29:59 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 01, 2013, 09:57:53 AM
Mike Olt is 3-31 at Iowa with 11 K's in 8 games. Something isn't right there.
He's blind.
Like Mr. Magoo-funny blind or old man driving into a mall, killing people-unfunny blind?
Quote from: Gilgamesh on August 01, 2013, 10:45:58 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 01, 2013, 10:29:59 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 01, 2013, 09:57:53 AM
Mike Olt is 3-31 at Iowa with 11 K's in 8 games. Something isn't right there.
He's blind.
Like Mr. Magoo-funny blind or old man driving into a mall, killing people-unfunny blind?
Can't it be both?
Quote from: Bort on August 01, 2013, 10:51:00 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on August 01, 2013, 10:45:58 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 01, 2013, 10:29:59 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 01, 2013, 09:57:53 AM
Mike Olt is 3-31 at Iowa with 11 K's in 8 games. Something isn't right there.
He's blind.
Like Mr. Magoo-funny blind or old man driving into a mall, killing people-unfunny blind?
Can't it be both?
Isn't Mr. Magoo an old blind man would (and may have, I'm not sure) drive into a mall, killing people?
ETA: Thanks, Yeti.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 01, 2013, 12:08:47 PM
Quote from: Bort on August 01, 2013, 10:51:00 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on August 01, 2013, 10:45:58 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 01, 2013, 10:29:59 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 01, 2013, 09:57:53 AM
Mike Olt is 3-31 at Iowa with 11 K's in 8 games. Something isn't right there.
He's blind.
Like Mr. Magoo-funny blind or old man driving into a mall, killing people-unfunny blind?
Can't it be both?
Isn't Mr. Magoo an old blind man would (and may have, I'm not sure) drove into a mall, killing people?
I would drove, too
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 01, 2013, 12:08:47 PM
Quote from: Bort on August 01, 2013, 10:51:00 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on August 01, 2013, 10:45:58 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 01, 2013, 10:29:59 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 01, 2013, 09:57:53 AM
Mike Olt is 3-31 at Iowa with 11 K's in 8 games. Something isn't right there.
He's blind.
Like Mr. Magoo-funny blind or old man driving into a mall, killing people-unfunny blind?
Can't it be both?
Isn't Mr. Magoo an old blind man would (and may have, I'm not sure) drive into a mall, killing people?
ETA: Thanks, Yeti.
ETA? The Ethiopian Teachers Association? The Estimated Time of Arrival? Do I just not know what ETA stands for in this context?
Quote from: Bort on August 01, 2013, 10:51:00 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on August 01, 2013, 10:45:58 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 01, 2013, 10:29:59 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 01, 2013, 09:57:53 AM
Mike Olt is 3-31 at Iowa with 11 K's in 8 games. Something isn't right there.
He's blind.
Like Mr. Magoo-funny blind or old man driving into a mall, killing people-unfunny blind?
Can't it be both?
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times: Our old and blind people shouldn't be driving cars; they should be processed for conversion into essential nutrients for younger people.
Soylent Green isn't going to make itself.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on August 01, 2013, 02:43:02 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 01, 2013, 12:08:47 PM
Quote from: Bort on August 01, 2013, 10:51:00 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on August 01, 2013, 10:45:58 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 01, 2013, 10:29:59 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 01, 2013, 09:57:53 AM
Mike Olt is 3-31 at Iowa with 11 K's in 8 games. Something isn't right there.
He's blind.
Like Mr. Magoo-funny blind or old man driving into a mall, killing people-unfunny blind?
Can't it be both?
Isn't Mr. Magoo an old blind man would (and may have, I'm not sure) drive into a mall, killing people?
ETA: Thanks, Yeti.
ETA? The Ethiopian Teachers Association? The Estimated Time of Arrival? Do I just not know what ETA stands for in this context?
No, you don't
Quote from: Yeti on August 01, 2013, 02:44:42 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on August 01, 2013, 02:43:02 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 01, 2013, 12:08:47 PM
Quote from: Bort on August 01, 2013, 10:51:00 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on August 01, 2013, 10:45:58 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 01, 2013, 10:29:59 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 01, 2013, 09:57:53 AM
Mike Olt is 3-31 at Iowa with 11 K's in 8 games. Something isn't right there.
He's blind.
Like Mr. Magoo-funny blind or old man driving into a mall, killing people-unfunny blind?
Can't it be both?
Isn't Mr. Magoo an old blind man would (and may have, I'm not sure) drive into a mall, killing people?
ETA: Thanks, Yeti.
ETA? The Ethiopian Teachers Association? The Estimated Time of Arrival? Do I just not know what ETA stands for in this context?
No, you don't
"Edited to Add" Thanks for the knowledge, Yetti - via SBox
Quote from: Gilgamesh on August 01, 2013, 02:43:02 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 01, 2013, 12:08:47 PM
Quote from: Bort on August 01, 2013, 10:51:00 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on August 01, 2013, 10:45:58 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 01, 2013, 10:29:59 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 01, 2013, 09:57:53 AM
Mike Olt is 3-31 at Iowa with 11 K's in 8 games. Something isn't right there.
He's blind.
Like Mr. Magoo-funny blind or old man driving into a mall, killing people-unfunny blind?
Can't it be both?
Isn't Mr. Magoo an old blind man would (and may have, I'm not sure) drive into a mall, killing people?
ETA: Thanks, Yeti.
ETA? The Ethiopian Teachers Association? The Estimated Time of Arrival? Do I just not know what ETA stands for in this context?
Geez.
Quote from: Eli on August 01, 2013, 02:57:36 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on August 01, 2013, 02:43:02 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 01, 2013, 12:08:47 PM
Quote from: Bort on August 01, 2013, 10:51:00 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on August 01, 2013, 10:45:58 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 01, 2013, 10:29:59 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 01, 2013, 09:57:53 AM
Mike Olt is 3-31 at Iowa with 11 K's in 8 games. Something isn't right there.
He's blind.
Like Mr. Magoo-funny blind or old man driving into a mall, killing people-unfunny blind?
Can't it be both?
Isn't Mr. Magoo an old blind man would (and may have, I'm not sure) drive into a mall, killing people?
ETA: Thanks, Yeti.
ETA? The Ethiopian Teachers Association? The Estimated Time of Arrival? Do I just not know what ETA stands for in this context?
Geez.
I guess I have to add an acronym dictionary to the "Need" file in my accordion folder.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on August 01, 2013, 02:59:00 PM
Quote from: Eli on August 01, 2013, 02:57:36 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on August 01, 2013, 02:43:02 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 01, 2013, 12:08:47 PM
Quote from: Bort on August 01, 2013, 10:51:00 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on August 01, 2013, 10:45:58 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 01, 2013, 10:29:59 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 01, 2013, 09:57:53 AM
Mike Olt is 3-31 at Iowa with 11 K's in 8 games. Something isn't right there.
He's blind.
Like Mr. Magoo-funny blind or old man driving into a mall, killing people-unfunny blind?
Can't it be both?
Isn't Mr. Magoo an old blind man would (and may have, I'm not sure) drive into a mall, killing people?
ETA: Thanks, Yeti.
ETA? The Ethiopian Teachers Association? The Estimated Time of Arrival? Do I just not know what ETA stands for in this context?
Geez.
I guess I have to add an acronym dictionary to the "Need" file in my accordion folder.
And here I am just saying "EDIT" like a chump.
Kris Bryant is up to .237 now.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 02, 2013, 08:37:12 AM
Kris Bryant is up to .237 now.
(http://davidcihla.com/hcs-o-m.gif)
Quote from: Fork on July 28, 2013, 07:32:05 PM
Quote from: PANK! on July 28, 2013, 11:46:27 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 27, 2013, 11:01:28 PM
Loor and I came acrossks like Tennessee gets another pitcher (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130727/SPORTS/130729790/1001?Title=Daytona-s-Loosen-sent-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to keep an eye on.
So this prompted me to look at Tennessee's roster this guy (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t553&t=p_pbp&pid=543294). Has Kyle Hendricks been discussed?
Team League W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG
TNS SOU 10 3 1.87 20 20 1 1 0 120.1 100 33 25 3 25 97 1.81 .223
Hendrick's numbers are great - and he started the Southern League All-Star game. But he's a guy who wins with guile. His stuff isn't overpowering, but he's got nice placement. I'll get excited if he puts up similar numbers against more experienced hitters in the PCL.
Hendricks got called up to Iowa. Let's see how this plays out.
Quote from: Fork on August 02, 2013, 08:49:58 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 28, 2013, 07:32:05 PM
Quote from: PANK! on July 28, 2013, 11:46:27 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 27, 2013, 11:01:28 PM
Loor and I came acrossks like Tennessee gets another pitcher (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130727/SPORTS/130729790/1001?Title=Daytona-s-Loosen-sent-to-Double-A-Tennessee) to keep an eye on.
So this prompted me to look at Tennessee's roster this guy (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t553&t=p_pbp&pid=543294). Has Kyle Hendricks been discussed?
Team League W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG
TNS SOU 10 3 1.87 20 20 1 1 0 120.1 100 33 25 3 25 97 1.81 .223
Hendrick's numbers are great - and he started the Southern League All-Star game. But he's a guy who wins with guile. His stuff isn't overpowering, but he's got nice placement. I'll get excited if he puts up similar numbers against more experienced hitters in the PCL.
Hendricks got called up to Iowa. Let's see how this plays out.
LOOR ACROSSKS!
After his rough first couple games, Bryant is starting to beat up (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=592178) Northern League pitching.
The way things are looking, he might win up joining Almora in Kane County, who is being held back because Daytona's having trouble getting two games in a row without a rainout.
Speaking of the Northern League, you can get a boner worked up for Tyler Bremer, Boise's closer.
With all of this talent that the Cubs have in the minors, why do they call up people named Murphy and Watkins?
Quote from: CBStew on August 04, 2013, 06:40:33 PM
With all of this talent that the Cubs have in the minors, why do they call up people named Murphy and Watkins?
Because the most talented players are in the lower minors and aren't ready to jump several levels to the bigs. It would also mess with their service time, which has financial impact down the road.
Quote from: Eli on August 04, 2013, 06:42:34 PM
Quote from: CBStew on August 04, 2013, 06:40:33 PM
With all of this talent that the Cubs have in the minors, why do they call up people named Murphy and Watkins?
Because the most talented players are in the lower minors and aren't ready to jump several levels to the bigs. It would also mess with their service time, which has financial impact down the road.
And also these games don't matter and there's a draft position incentive to being bad.
Bryant's OPS over 1.000 since that five-strikeout first game.
Quote from: Eli on August 04, 2013, 09:45:36 PM
Bryant's OPS over 1.000 since that five-strikeout first game.
Cherry picker.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 04, 2013, 10:16:14 PM
Quote from: Eli on August 04, 2013, 09:45:36 PM
Bryant's OPS over 1.000 since that five-strikeout first game.
Cherry picker.
I'm allowing it since it was his first live game in two months.
Quote from: Eli on August 04, 2013, 10:33:30 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 04, 2013, 10:16:14 PM
Quote from: Eli on August 04, 2013, 09:45:36 PM
Bryant's OPS over 1.000 since that five-strikeout first game.
Cherry picker.
I'm allowing it since it was his first live game in two months.
If you don't count all the games where he beat the everloving bejesus out of the ball, it was his first live game in 21 years.
Quote from: ChuckD on August 05, 2013, 01:22:36 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 04, 2013, 10:33:30 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 04, 2013, 10:16:14 PM
Quote from: Eli on August 04, 2013, 09:45:36 PM
Bryant's OPS over 1.000 since that five-strikeout first game.
Cherry picker.
I'm allowing it since it was his first live game in two months.
If you don't count all the games where he beat the everloving bejesus out of the ball, it was his first live game in 21 years.
Eh.
Quote from: ChuckD on August 05, 2013, 01:22:36 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 04, 2013, 10:33:30 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 04, 2013, 10:16:14 PM
Quote from: Eli on August 04, 2013, 09:45:36 PM
Bryant's OPS over 1.000 since that five-strikeout first game.
Cherry picker.
I'm allowing it since it was his first live game in two months.
If you don't count all the games where he beat the everloving bejesus out of the ball, it was his first live game in 21 years.
That made me laugh hard.
Okay, Bryant is tearing shit up. .292 .352 .583 .935 with 5 2B, 3 HR 14 K in 13 games, but 9 in his last 12 if we start not counting stuff.
Also, to answer Stew's question about Murphy and Watkins, I guess it's because the Cubs don't care if they "start the clock" (I'm not really sure how all that works, but I guess it has significance) on these players as opposed to real prospects. I'd also imagine that Vitters would have been called up to replace Valbuena had Vitters not been on the DL at Iowa.
And, if I'm not mistaken, Watkins is still a marginal prospect even though he's not even in the Cubs Top 20. Murphy is just, I don't know...a 30 year old guy who plays infield and has a .278 career AAA average. Oh, and his middle name is Rex. So...yeah.
The Cubs are thin at "ready" talent. They are chock full of "future" talent. TheoJed aren't going to "Starlin Castro" Javy Baez. At least it doesn't appear that way.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 05, 2013, 08:56:23 AM
The Cubs are thin at "ready" talent. They are chock full of "future" talent. TheoJed aren't going to "Starlin Castro" Javy Baez. At least it doesn't appear that way.
Under the old regime, I'm pretty sure both Baez and Soler would have had their major league debuts by now.
That being said, Bryant will probably be on a fast track, relative to the other guys in the system. I expect that to start next season he leapfrogs Almora, and starts in Tennessee.
Quote from: Fork on August 05, 2013, 09:06:21 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 05, 2013, 08:56:23 AM
The Cubs are thin at "ready" talent. They are chock full of "future" talent. TheoJed aren't going to "Starlin Castro" Javy Baez. At least it doesn't appear that way.
Under the old regime, I'm pretty sure both Baez and Soler would have had their major league debuts by now.
That being said, Bryant will probably be on a fast track, relative to the other guys in the system. I expect that to start next season he leapfrogs Almora, and starts in Tennessee.
I read on Rotoworld that they expect him to finish at Tennessee this season. But what do they know?
I'm guessing Tennessee might be ambitious, but if he keeps mashing at the podunk A level, it could happen. I definitely think he'll be before Almora and even Baez because he's a more refined player being that he played three years of college baseball and that 3B could remain a black hole dependent on Mike Olt.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 05, 2013, 08:56:23 AM
I read on Rotoworld that they expect him to finish at Tennessee this season. But what do they know?
That could be fun, he'd be a total ringer for the Southern League playoffs.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 05, 2013, 09:16:17 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 05, 2013, 09:06:21 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 05, 2013, 08:56:23 AM
The Cubs are thin at "ready" talent. They are chock full of "future" talent. TheoJed aren't going to "Starlin Castro" Javy Baez. At least it doesn't appear that way.
Under the old regime, I'm pretty sure both Baez and Soler would have had their major league debuts by now.
That being said, Bryant will probably be on a fast track, relative to the other guys in the system. I expect that to start next season he leapfrogs Almora, and starts in Tennessee.
I read on Rotoworld that they expect him to finish at Tennessee this season. But what do they know?
I'm guessing Tennessee might be ambitious, but if he keeps mashing at the podunk A level, it could happen. I definitely think he'll be before Almora and even Baez because he's a more refined player being that he played three years of college baseball and that 3B could remain a black hole dependent on Mike Olt.
I'm guessing third will still be a need due to the black hole where Mike Olt's eye used to be.
(http://assets.rollingstone.com/assets/images/story/boardwalk-empire-recap-savage-justice-20111023/1000x306/main.jpg)
Mike Olt
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 05, 2013, 10:04:12 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 05, 2013, 09:16:17 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 05, 2013, 09:06:21 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 05, 2013, 08:56:23 AM
The Cubs are thin at "ready" talent. They are chock full of "future" talent. TheoJed aren't going to "Starlin Castro" Javy Baez. At least it doesn't appear that way.
Under the old regime, I'm pretty sure both Baez and Soler would have had their major league debuts by now.
That being said, Bryant will probably be on a fast track, relative to the other guys in the system. I expect that to start next season he leapfrogs Almora, and starts in Tennessee.
I read on Rotoworld that they expect him to finish at Tennessee this season. But what do they know?
I'm guessing Tennessee might be ambitious, but if he keeps mashing at the podunk A level, it could happen. I definitely think he'll be before Almora and even Baez because he's a more refined player being that he played three years of college baseball and that 3B could remain a black hole dependent on Mike Olt.
I'm guessing third will still be a need due to the black hole where Mike Olt's eye used to be.
(http://assets.rollingstone.com/assets/images/story/boardwalk-empire-recap-savage-justice-20111023/1000x306/main.jpg)
Mike Olt
He went 2-5 yesterday with a double and a triple and 2 knocked in.
His first AB was particularly impressive. With 2 outs in the first and two on, he battled through a 7-pitch AB (ball, ball, called strike, foul, foul, foul) hitting a 2-run ground rule double on a full count.
For a guy who was roughly 0-for his last-30, that's a lot of patience in that situation.
Or maybe he's just blind.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 05, 2013, 11:40:12 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 05, 2013, 10:04:12 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 05, 2013, 09:16:17 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 05, 2013, 09:06:21 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 05, 2013, 08:56:23 AM
The Cubs are thin at "ready" talent. They are chock full of "future" talent. TheoJed aren't going to "Starlin Castro" Javy Baez. At least it doesn't appear that way.
Under the old regime, I'm pretty sure both Baez and Soler would have had their major league debuts by now.
That being said, Bryant will probably be on a fast track, relative to the other guys in the system. I expect that to start next season he leapfrogs Almora, and starts in Tennessee.
I read on Rotoworld that they expect him to finish at Tennessee this season. But what do they know?
I'm guessing Tennessee might be ambitious, but if he keeps mashing at the podunk A level, it could happen. I definitely think he'll be before Almora and even Baez because he's a more refined player being that he played three years of college baseball and that 3B could remain a black hole dependent on Mike Olt.
I'm guessing third will still be a need due to the black hole where Mike Olt's eye used to be.
(http://assets.rollingstone.com/assets/images/story/boardwalk-empire-recap-savage-justice-20111023/1000x306/main.jpg)
Mike Olt
He went 2-5 yesterday with a double and a triple and 2 knocked in.
His first AB was particularly impressive. With 2 outs in the first and two on, he battled through a 7-pitch AB (ball, ball, called strike, foul, foul, foul) hitting a 2-run ground rule double on a full count.
For a guy who was roughly 0-for his last-30, that's a lot of patience in that situation.
Or maybe he's just blind.
You don't need as much patience when three taking balls will earn you first base.
Quote from: ChuckD on August 05, 2013, 11:54:56 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 05, 2013, 11:40:12 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 05, 2013, 10:04:12 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 05, 2013, 09:16:17 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 05, 2013, 09:06:21 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 05, 2013, 08:56:23 AM
The Cubs are thin at "ready" talent. They are chock full of "future" talent. TheoJed aren't going to "Starlin Castro" Javy Baez. At least it doesn't appear that way.
Under the old regime, I'm pretty sure both Baez and Soler would have had their major league debuts by now.
That being said, Bryant will probably be on a fast track, relative to the other guys in the system. I expect that to start next season he leapfrogs Almora, and starts in Tennessee.
I read on Rotoworld that they expect him to finish at Tennessee this season. But what do they know?
I'm guessing Tennessee might be ambitious, but if he keeps mashing at the podunk A level, it could happen. I definitely think he'll be before Almora and even Baez because he's a more refined player being that he played three years of college baseball and that 3B could remain a black hole dependent on Mike Olt.
I'm guessing third will still be a need due to the black hole where Mike Olt's eye used to be.
(http://assets.rollingstone.com/assets/images/story/boardwalk-empire-recap-savage-justice-20111023/1000x306/main.jpg)
Mike Olt
He went 2-5 yesterday with a double and a triple and 2 knocked in.
His first AB was particularly impressive. With 2 outs in the first and two on, he battled through a 7-pitch AB (ball, ball, called strike, foul, foul, foul) hitting a 2-run ground rule double on a full count.
For a guy who was roughly 0-for his last-30, that's a lot of patience in that situation.
Or maybe he's just blind.
You don't need as much patience when three taking balls will earn you first base.
Even more impressive then!
Quote from: Fork on August 01, 2013, 10:10:38 AM
August 1 is traditionally a busy day for teams moving guys up a level. See if Almora gets to spend his last month of the season closer to home.
SQD (Self Quoting Douche):
So far Daytona has had one game in the month of August. Almora is ready, but unless he wants to play center field in a rowboat he's staying in Kane County.
ETA: Almora is out for a few games with a hip flexor injury. By the time he comes back, there might not be enough season left to make a callup worth it.
This (http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2013/8/5/4589784/cubs-top-20-prospects-after-the-trade-deadline-part-1) is all you really need around Cubs prospects.
This was my favorite.
"The Good: It's hard not to have a little bit of a crush on Almora. Hard-working, humble, handsome, generous, smart: all of these adjectives have been used to describe Almora. The son of Cuban immigrants, he's the classic All-American boy."
Quote from: BH on August 07, 2013, 09:51:20 AM
This (http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2013/8/5/4589784/cubs-top-20-prospects-after-the-trade-deadline-part-1) is all you really need around Cubs prospects.
This was my favorite.
"The Good: It's hard not to have a little bit of a crush on Almora. Hard-working, humble, handsome, generous, smart: all of these adjectives have been used to describe Almora. The son of Cuban immigrants, he's the classic All-American boy."
Nothing wrong with "the good face".
Quote from: BH on August 07, 2013, 09:51:20 AM
This (http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2013/8/5/4589784/cubs-top-20-prospects-after-the-trade-deadline-part-1) is all you really need around Cubs prospects.
This was my favorite.
"The Good: It's hard not to have a little bit of a crush on Almora. Hard-working, humble, handsome, generous, smart: all of these adjectives have been used to describe Almora. The son of Cuban immigrants, he's the classic All-American boy."
Odds that his Top 20 perfectly coincides with mlb.com's Top 20? I think he's 10 for 10.
Quote from: BH on August 07, 2013, 09:51:20 AM
This (http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2013/8/5/4589784/cubs-top-20-prospects-after-the-trade-deadline-part-1) is all you really need around Cubs prospects.
This was my favorite.
"The Good: It's hard not to have a little bit of a crush on Almora. Hard-working, humble, handsome, generous, smart: all of these adjectives have been used to describe Almora. The son of Cuban immigrants, he's the classic All-American boy."
"I've never had ghey sex. But if Albert Almora strode over to me after yet another 3-for-4 game, with sweat glistening on his handsome face, I think I'd bend over and go all the way, no questions asked."
Why is Al sanctioning a top prospects list? The list should be:
1. No.
2. Prospects never work out. (See one of my four hundred, 80,000-word open letters to Theo.)
3. Acquire Jeff Francoeur, Jeremy Hermida, and their equivalents instead.
4. They're not the best players, not by a long shot. But they're the RIGHT players.
5. No one performs better when I'm wearing my blue 1994 Cubs road batting practice hat than those guys.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 05, 2013, 11:57:57 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on August 05, 2013, 11:54:56 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 05, 2013, 11:40:12 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 05, 2013, 10:04:12 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 05, 2013, 09:16:17 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 05, 2013, 09:06:21 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 05, 2013, 08:56:23 AM
The Cubs are thin at "ready" talent. They are chock full of "future" talent. TheoJed aren't going to "Starlin Castro" Javy Baez. At least it doesn't appear that way.
Under the old regime, I'm pretty sure both Baez and Soler would have had their major league debuts by now.
That being said, Bryant will probably be on a fast track, relative to the other guys in the system. I expect that to start next season he leapfrogs Almora, and starts in Tennessee.
I read on Rotoworld that they expect him to finish at Tennessee this season. But what do they know?
I'm guessing Tennessee might be ambitious, but if he keeps mashing at the podunk A level, it could happen. I definitely think he'll be before Almora and even Baez because he's a more refined player being that he played three years of college baseball and that 3B could remain a black hole dependent on Mike Olt.
I'm guessing third will still be a need due to the black hole where Mike Olt's eye used to be.
(http://assets.rollingstone.com/assets/images/story/boardwalk-empire-recap-savage-justice-20111023/1000x306/main.jpg)
Mike Olt
He went 2-5 yesterday with a double and a triple and 2 knocked in.
His first AB was particularly impressive. With 2 outs in the first and two on, he battled through a 7-pitch AB (ball, ball, called strike, foul, foul, foul) hitting a 2-run ground rule double on a full count.
For a guy who was roughly 0-for his last-30, that's a lot of patience in that situation.
Or maybe he's just blind.
You don't need as much patience when three taking balls will earn you first base.
Even more impressive then!
After an 0-4 on Monday, Olt came back yesterday with another nice game. Reached base 4 times in 5 ABs (1 single, 3 BBs.)
Pretty sure he's still terrible though.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2013, 12:21:44 PM
Quote from: BH on August 07, 2013, 09:51:20 AM
This (http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2013/8/5/4589784/cubs-top-20-prospects-after-the-trade-deadline-part-1) is all you really need around Cubs prospects.
This was my favorite.
"The Good: It's hard not to have a little bit of a crush on Almora. Hard-working, humble, handsome, generous, smart: all of these adjectives have been used to describe Almora. The son of Cuban immigrants, he's the classic All-American boy."
"I've never had ghey sex. But if Albert Almora strode over to me after yet another 3-for-4 game, with sweat glistening on his handsome face, I think I'd bend over and go all the way, no questions asked."
So I guess I'm the only guy who thinks he looks like Danny Pudi then?
(http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/files/2013/05/albert-almora-face.jpg)(http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjA1NDU5ODMxMV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMzI2MTA0MQ@@._V1._SY314_CR11,0,214,314_.jpg)
Quote from: Fork on August 07, 2013, 03:13:35 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2013, 12:21:44 PM
Quote from: BH on August 07, 2013, 09:51:20 AM
This (http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2013/8/5/4589784/cubs-top-20-prospects-after-the-trade-deadline-part-1) is all you really need around Cubs prospects.
This was my favorite.
"The Good: It's hard not to have a little bit of a crush on Almora. Hard-working, humble, handsome, generous, smart: all of these adjectives have been used to describe Almora. The son of Cuban immigrants, he's the classic All-American boy."
"I've never had ghey sex. But if Albert Almora strode over to me after yet another 3-for-4 game, with sweat glistening on his handsome face, I think I'd bend over and go all the way, no questions asked."
So I guess I'm the only guy who thinks he looks like Danny Pudi then?
(http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/files/2013/05/albert-almora-face.jpg)(http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjA1NDU5ODMxMV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMzI2MTA0MQ@@._V1._SY314_CR11,0,214,314_.jpg)
Yes, Fork. You are. Which is to say: no, Fork.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on August 07, 2013, 04:11:19 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 07, 2013, 03:13:35 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2013, 12:21:44 PM
Quote from: BH on August 07, 2013, 09:51:20 AM
This (http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2013/8/5/4589784/cubs-top-20-prospects-after-the-trade-deadline-part-1) is all you really need around Cubs prospects.
This was my favorite.
"The Good: It's hard not to have a little bit of a crush on Almora. Hard-working, humble, handsome, generous, smart: all of these adjectives have been used to describe Almora. The son of Cuban immigrants, he's the classic All-American boy."
"I've never had ghey sex. But if Albert Almora strode over to me after yet another 3-for-4 game, with sweat glistening on his handsome face, I think I'd bend over and go all the way, no questions asked."
So I guess I'm the only guy who thinks he looks like Danny Pudi then?
(http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/files/2013/05/albert-almora-face.jpg)(http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjA1NDU5ODMxMV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMzI2MTA0MQ@@._V1._SY314_CR11,0,214,314_.jpg)
Yes, Fork. You are. Which is to say: no, Fork.
No, Fork.
Quote from: Bort on August 07, 2013, 07:28:05 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on August 07, 2013, 04:11:19 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 07, 2013, 03:13:35 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2013, 12:21:44 PM
Quote from: BH on August 07, 2013, 09:51:20 AM
This (http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2013/8/5/4589784/cubs-top-20-prospects-after-the-trade-deadline-part-1) is all you really need around Cubs prospects.
This was my favorite.
"The Good: It's hard not to have a little bit of a crush on Almora. Hard-working, humble, handsome, generous, smart: all of these adjectives have been used to describe Almora. The son of Cuban immigrants, he's the classic All-American boy."
"I've never had ghey sex. But if Albert Almora strode over to me after yet another 3-for-4 game, with sweat glistening on his handsome face, I think I'd bend over and go all the way, no questions asked."
So I guess I'm the only guy who thinks he looks like Danny Pudi then?
(http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/files/2013/05/albert-almora-face.jpg)(http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjA1NDU5ODMxMV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMzI2MTA0MQ@@._V1._SY314_CR11,0,214,314_.jpg)
Yes, Fork. You are. Which is to say: no, Fork.
No, Fork.
WHERE IS THE QUALIFICATION? Does this mean "Yes, Fork?"
Quote from: ChuckD on August 07, 2013, 10:27:09 PM
Quote from: Bort on August 07, 2013, 07:28:05 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on August 07, 2013, 04:11:19 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 07, 2013, 03:13:35 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 07, 2013, 12:21:44 PM
Quote from: BH on August 07, 2013, 09:51:20 AM
This (http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2013/8/5/4589784/cubs-top-20-prospects-after-the-trade-deadline-part-1) is all you really need around Cubs prospects.
This was my favorite.
"The Good: It's hard not to have a little bit of a crush on Almora. Hard-working, humble, handsome, generous, smart: all of these adjectives have been used to describe Almora. The son of Cuban immigrants, he's the classic All-American boy."
"I've never had ghey sex. But if Albert Almora strode over to me after yet another 3-for-4 game, with sweat glistening on his handsome face, I think I'd bend over and go all the way, no questions asked."
So I guess I'm the only guy who thinks he looks like Danny Pudi then?
(http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/files/2013/05/albert-almora-face.jpg)(http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjA1NDU5ODMxMV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMzI2MTA0MQ@@._V1._SY314_CR11,0,214,314_.jpg)
Yes, Fork. You are. Which is to say: no, Fork.
No, Fork.
WHERE IS THE QUALIFICATION? Does this mean "Yes, Fork?"
No, other Chuck.
Jokisch threw a no-hitter in AA, but he gave up a couple rockets (http://smokiesonradio.com/2013/08/07/final-3-outs-and-eric-jokisch-reaction-to-no-hitter/). Fortunately, Villanueva & Baez bailed him out.
Quote from: Fork on August 09, 2013, 09:39:06 AM
Jokisch threw a no-hitter in AA, but he gave up a couple rockets (http://smokiesonradio.com/2013/08/07/final-3-outs-and-eric-jokisch-reaction-to-no-hitter/). Fortunately, Villanueva & Baez bailed him out.
So it goes with just about every no-hitter ever. Looks like fun at the old ballpark.
Bryant's numbers in Boise are absolutely sick (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=592178).
He's looking like he might not join Zastryzny in Kane County, he might leapfrog at least one level.
Quote from: Fork on August 12, 2013, 07:22:16 AM
Bryant's numbers in Boise are absolutely sick[/url\.
He's looking like he might not join Zastryzny in Kane County, he might leapfrog at least one level.
(http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=592178)
Puigian numerals.
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 12, 2013, 09:07:59 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 12, 2013, 07:22:16 AM
Bryant's numbers in Boise are absolutely sick[/url\.
He's looking like he might not join Zastryzny in Kane County, he might leapfrog at least one level.
(http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=592178)
Puigian numerals.
LET'S SEE HOW YOU DO WITH A WOOD BAT, KID.
Quote from: Fork on August 12, 2013, 07:22:16 AM
Bryant's numbers in Boise are absolutely sick (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=592178).
He's looking like he might not join Zastryzny in Kane County, he might leapfrog at least one level.
BOING (http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs-talk/cubs-sending-kris-bryant-daytona)!
Quote from: Fork on August 12, 2013, 06:48:36 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 12, 2013, 07:22:16 AM
Bryant's numbers in Boise are absolutely sick (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=592178).
He's looking like he might not join Zastryzny in Kane County, he might leapfrog at least one level.
BOING (http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs-talk/cubs-sending-kris-bryant-daytona)!
Looking forward to seeing what he does once a week when that team actually plays.
Quote from: Eli on August 12, 2013, 07:33:44 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 12, 2013, 06:48:36 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 12, 2013, 07:22:16 AM
Bryant's numbers in Boise are absolutely sick (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=592178).
He's looking like he might not join Zastryzny in Kane County, he might leapfrog at least one level.
BOING (http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs-talk/cubs-sending-kris-bryant-daytona)!
Looking forward to seeing what he does once a week when that team actually plays.
Tonight marks 5 games in 6 days. Heady times indeed.
ETA: Vogelbach got the call to Daytona as well.
Kris Bryant hit his first full-season A-ball home run (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=3B&sid=t450&t=p_pbp&pid=592178) in just his second AB with Daytona today. Sploosh! Dan Vogelbach also homered in his Daytona debut.
Speaking of Daytona, C.J. Edwards finally served up his first professional home run (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t450&t=p_pbp&pid=605218) to something called an Ali Castillo back on the 10th. It was only Castillo's second homer of the year and just the tenth of his entire minor league career, which started in 2008. DAMN IT, EPSTINK! PROSPECTS DON'T PAN OUT!
Trevor Gretzky got promoted to Kane County.
SPOILER ALERT: he's shitty,
Quote from: Fork on August 13, 2013, 11:58:33 PM
Trevor Gretzky got promoted to Kane County.
SPOILER ALERT: he's shitty,
Pics of his sister or it didn't happen.
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 14, 2013, 07:49:01 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 13, 2013, 11:58:33 PM
Trevor Gretzky got promoted to Kane County.
SPOILER ALERT: he's shitty,
Pics of his sister or it didn't happen.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/08/14/article-2392601-1B4933EA000005DC-511_634x543.jpg)
That's what you're looking for, right?
Quote from: PenFoe on August 15, 2013, 10:58:19 AM
Quote from: Internet Apex on August 14, 2013, 07:49:01 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 13, 2013, 11:58:33 PM
Trevor Gretzky got promoted to Kane County.
SPOILER ALERT: he's shitty,
Pics of his sister or it didn't happen.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/08/14/article-2392601-1B4933EA000005DC-511_634x543.jpg)
That's what you're looking for, right?
[Yeti] Yup! [/Yeti]
After playing 43 games for Tennessee, Baez is 5 HR off the league lead.
Quote from: Fork on August 21, 2013, 09:24:30 PM
After playing 43 games for Tennessee, Baez is 5 HR off the league lead.
August: Batting .407 with 11 2Bs, 5 HRs, 22 RBIs in 20 games. 8.9% walk rate and 21.1% K rate.
Bonertime.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 22, 2013, 12:38:00 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 21, 2013, 09:24:30 PM
After playing 43 games for Tennessee, Baez is 5 HR off the league lead.
August: Batting .407 with 11 2Bs, 5 HRs, 22 RBIs in 20 games. 8.9% walk rate and 21.1% K rate.
Bonertime.
He's still leading Daytona in HRs as well. Splooge.
Final return from the Garza deal. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/08/cubs-acquire-neil-ramirez-to-complete-garza-deal.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook)
Quote
The Rangers announced that they have sent right-handed pitcher Neil Ramirez to the Cubs, completing the July 22nd trade that sent Matt Garza to Chicago.
The Garza deal called for a player to be named later to be sent to Chicago, but with one interesting wrinkle. Theo Epstein & Co. had the choice of either acquiring Ramirez or two other hurlers from an agreed upon list of names.
Ramirez, 24, was ranked as the 23rd best prospect in the Rangers' system heading into this season by Baseball America, but the publication had him as high as No. 5 at one point thanks to his strong 2011 minor league season. In 2012, his stock fell a bit as he dealt with shoulder fatigue and was demoted to Double-A to finish out the season.
He was one of the original names to come up. Pretty decent.
6'4, 190. RHP. 24 years old. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=ramire001nei)
2013 at AA: 103 IP, 9-3, 3.84 ERA, 127 Ks, 42 BBs, 1.15 WHIP.
$NER JUST PROVED WHY EPSTINK NEVER SHOULDA TRADED HIM.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 26, 2013, 04:54:26 PM
$NER JUST PROVED WHY EPSTINK NEVER SHOULDA TRADED HIM.
NOT. EVEN. IN. JEST.
Best. Nickname. Ever. Slightly ahead of JIMMY BUTTHOLE
Almora, Baez, Bryant and Soler will all be on the Cubs' AFL roster (http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-77178509/).
Also, Vizcaino is starting his arm rehab.
Sploosh.
Quote from: Fork on August 27, 2013, 01:31:41 PM
Almora, Baez, Bryant and Soler will all be on the Cubs' AFL roster (http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-77178509/).
Also, Vizcaino is starting his arm rehab.
Sploosh.
Also, prospects never pan out.
Quote from: BH on August 27, 2013, 01:46:18 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 27, 2013, 01:31:41 PM
Almora, Baez, Bryant and Soler will all be on the Cubs' AFL roster (http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-77178509/).
Also, Vizcaino is starting his arm rehab.
Sploosh.
Also, prospects never pan out.
Sploosh, as in: how many tears, Theo? A WATERFALL OF TEARS
Boners.
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s403x403/1175501_10151815306830659_1221111492_n.jpg)
Quote from: PenFoe on August 27, 2013, 06:39:30 PM
Boners.
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s403x403/1175501_10151815306830659_1221111492_n.jpg)
Prospects rarely pan out. I'm not saying it's not going to happen, but it's going to not happen. Maybe we'll see one of these three in blue pinstripes, but I'm not holding my breath. That said, as I wrote back in 2007, sometimes a prospect can bring out that fire in a team; that passion in fans; and 118 word sentences from the voice of the Cubbie nation.
QuoteCubs' record with Felix Pie in Chicago: 12-9 Cubs' record with Felix Pie in Iowa: 11-22
OK, maybe it's not cause-and-effect, but we all noticed it, and I'm sure you have too: there is a certain energy that seems to just come to this team when Felix Pie is playing, and it happened again today, as Pie was recalled from Iowa with Daryle Ward heading to the DL (as first reported here at BCB yesterday), was immediately inserted into the starting lineup in CF, hitting second, and responded with a single and a pop-fly hit that should have been a second single, but with his speed turned into a RBI double, and the Cubs had a no-brainer of a game, a badly-needed easy 10-1 win over the Braves, snapping the losing streak at six.
Quote from: Al Yellon on August 27, 2013, 08:14:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 27, 2013, 06:39:30 PM
Boners.
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s403x403/1175501_10151815306830659_1221111492_n.jpg)
Prospects rarely pan out. I'm not saying it's not going to happen, but it's going to not happen. Maybe we'll see one of these three in blue pinstripes, but I'm not holding my breath. That said, as I wrote back in 2007, sometimes a prospect can bring out that fire in a team; that passion in fans; and 118 word sentences from the voice of the Cubbie nation.
QuoteCubs' record with Felix Pie in Chicago: 12-9 Cubs' record with Felix Pie in Iowa: 11-22
OK, maybe it's not cause-and-effect, but we all noticed it, and I'm sure you have too: there is a certain energy that seems to just come to this team when Felix Pie is playing, and it happened again today, as Pie was recalled from Iowa with Daryle Ward heading to the DL (as first reported here at BCB yesterday), was immediately inserted into the starting lineup in CF, hitting second, and responded with a single and a pop-fly hit that should have been a second single, but with his speed turned into a RBI double, and the Cubs had a no-brainer of a game, a badly-needed easy 10-1 win over the Braves, snapping the losing streak at six.
Shut up Paul, you're a douche.
The 2014 Cubs could use the veteran leadership of Felix Pie, Mr. Ricketts.
Quote from: Al Yellon on August 27, 2013, 08:14:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 27, 2013, 06:39:30 PM
Boners.
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s403x403/1175501_10151815306830659_1221111492_n.jpg)
Prospects rarely pan out. I'm not saying it's not going to happen, but it's going to not happen. Maybe we'll see one of these three in blue pinstripes, but I'm not holding my breath. That said, as I wrote back in 2007, sometimes a prospect can bring out that fire in a team; that passion in fans; and 118 word sentences from the voice of the Cubbie nation.
QuoteCubs' record with Felix Pie in Chicago: 12-9 Cubs' record with Felix Pie in Iowa: 11-22
OK, maybe it's not cause-and-effect, but we all noticed it, and I'm sure you have too: there is a certain energy that seems to just come to this team when Felix Pie is playing, and it happened again today, as Pie was recalled from Iowa with Daryle Ward heading to the DL (as first reported here at BCB yesterday), was immediately inserted into the starting lineup in CF, hitting second, and responded with a single and a pop-fly hit that should have been a second single, but with his speed turned into a RBI double, and the Cubs had a no-brainer of a game, a badly-needed easy 10-1 win over the Braves, snapping the losing streak at six.
Now that's a sentence (http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2007/6/3/181749/1971). Well done ... Al.
Edit: Hmmm....
(http://i43.tinypic.com/15nk5z5.png)
That's an awfully long commute from Iowa City to the bleachers every day...
QUICK -- WHICH HAT WERE YOU WEARING WHEN TOM GLAVINE MADE HISTORY AT WRIGLEY FIELD?
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on August 27, 2013, 11:23:49 PM
The 2014 Cubs could use the veteran leadership of Felix Pie, Mr. Ricketts.
Sorry, he's too busy making a run at the playoffs. (http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/pirates/pirates-recall-outfielder-for-game-tonight-700167/)
*Meant to post this the other day in the "Not Dead Yet" thread, appreciate the reminder.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 28, 2013, 12:27:34 AM
Quote from: Al Yellon on August 27, 2013, 08:14:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 27, 2013, 06:39:30 PM
Boners.
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s403x403/1175501_10151815306830659_1221111492_n.jpg)
Prospects rarely pan out. I'm not saying it's not going to happen, but it's going to not happen. Maybe we'll see one of these three in blue pinstripes, but I'm not holding my breath. That said, as I wrote back in 2007, sometimes a prospect can bring out that fire in a team; that passion in fans; and 118 word sentences from the voice of the Cubbie nation.
QuoteCubs' record with Felix Pie in Chicago: 12-9 Cubs' record with Felix Pie in Iowa: 11-22
OK, maybe it's not cause-and-effect, but we all noticed it, and I'm sure you have too: there is a certain energy that seems to just come to this team when Felix Pie is playing, and it happened again today, as Pie was recalled from Iowa with Daryle Ward heading to the DL (as first reported here at BCB yesterday), was immediately inserted into the starting lineup in CF, hitting second, and responded with a single and a pop-fly hit that should have been a second single, but with his speed turned into a RBI double, and the Cubs had a no-brainer of a game, a badly-needed easy 10-1 win over the Braves, snapping the losing streak at six.
Now that's a sentence (http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2007/6/3/181749/1971). Well done ... Al.
Edit: Hmmm....
(http://i43.tinypic.com/15nk5z5.png)
That's an awfully long commute from Iowa City to the bleachers every day...
QUICK -- WHICH HAT WERE YOU WEARING WHEN TOM GLAVINE MADE HISTORY AT WRIGLEY FIELD?
Wow, I just read the post, and there's more gold in there:
QuoteAlan Trammell has now managed for the Cubs 1/43 (2.3%)as many wins as he did the entire 2003 season.
Or 1/22 as many wins as Lou Piniella had in his Cubs tenure up to that point. Or as many wins as Joe Altobelli had with the Cubs.
QuoteWe watched dark clouds approach the ballpark from almost all sides early in the afternoon and heard reports of people being asked to go to basements in the Aurora area, and felt several wind shifts for the first couple of innings, and when it started raining lightly in the second, I put my large ABC-7 umbrella up -- upon which I understand the WGN cameras took a real nice closeup shot of all of us. If you saw that umbrella, that was us! We learned this because no fewer than three different people called three of us to let us know they'd just seen us on the WGN telecast.
Al has worked in TV for how long, and he gives a shit about being spotted in the background of a telecast?
QuoteFinally, here's the Bad Security Confiscation of the day: if you have been around the bleachers at all for the last 30 years, you know there are several blind Cubs fans who sit with the season ticket group near the CF concession stand. One of them, a man named Howard, has brought a cowbell nearly every day since 1970, ringing it after Cub home runs (something Vince & Lou used to do in the radio booth). Today, he was told he can't bring it any more, because it is "too loud".
Excuse me? Too loud??!?!?! In the bleachers? This strikes me as overzealous and cruel, especially to someone as loyal as Howard, who I have known myself for more than 20 years -- really nice fellow, and I've even sat next to the cowbell myself a few times, and it's not "too loud".
If you're reading this, management, let the cowbell back in. It's rung in celebration. We haven't had that much to celebrate lately. Let's enjoy it while we can!
What jackasses complain about shit being too loud in the bleachers?
Quote from: Brownie on August 28, 2013, 10:38:28 AM
What jackasses complain about shit being too loud in the bleachers?
But it's the RIGHT loud.
Quote from: Brownie on August 28, 2013, 10:38:28 AM
What jackasses complain about shit being too loud in the bleachers?
That sounds more like Andy Frain was complaining, not the casual fan.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 28, 2013, 11:29:55 AM
Quote from: Brownie on August 28, 2013, 10:38:28 AM
What jackasses complain about shit being too loud in the bleachers?
That sounds more like Andy Frain was complaining, not the casual fan.
Not the point, Chuck.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on August 28, 2013, 11:41:49 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 28, 2013, 11:29:55 AM
Quote from: Brownie on August 28, 2013, 10:38:28 AM
What jackasses complain about shit being too loud in the bleachers?
That sounds more like Andy Frain was complaining, not the casual fan.
Not the point, Chuck.
That's a pretty all-purpose statement.
Quote from: Bort on August 28, 2013, 02:08:18 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on August 28, 2013, 11:41:49 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on August 28, 2013, 11:29:55 AM
Quote from: Brownie on August 28, 2013, 10:38:28 AM
What jackasses complain about shit being too loud in the bleachers?
That sounds more like Andy Frain was complaining, not the casual fan.
Not the point, Chuck.
That's a pretty all-purpose statement.
Starting typing "No, Chuck", but decided I should be ever so slightly more specific.
Quote from: Fork on August 28, 2013, 11:15:31 AM
Quote from: Brownie on August 28, 2013, 10:38:28 AM
What jackasses complain about shit being too loud in the bleachers?
But it's the RIGHT loud.
When they were very young, perhaps ages 5, 7, 9 and 12, I took my sons to a Cal football game. Cal was typically not very good and the stands had very few fans in them. It didn't matter to my boys. They cheered loudly and often. A woman a few rows ahead of us bitched at them telling them to be quiet. I lost it, telling her that if she wanted quiet on a Saturday afternoon she should go to the library, not a football game. Not a good example for my boys, but the other folks around us enjoyed that. Today, though only one on my sons went to Cal, they are Cal fans. (Yeah, I know that this post really belongs on Facebook instead of here, but this is my tenth day on Maui and my brain has turned into poi.)
Quote from: CBStew on August 28, 2013, 08:04:39 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 28, 2013, 11:15:31 AM
Quote from: Brownie on August 28, 2013, 10:38:28 AM
What jackasses complain about shit being too loud in the bleachers?
But it's the RIGHT loud.
When they were very young, perhaps ages 5, 7, 9 and 12, I took my sons to a Cal football game. Cal was typically not very good and the stands had very few fans in them. It didn't matter to my boys. They cheered loudly and often. A woman a few rows ahead of us bitched at them telling them to be quiet. I lost it, telling her that if she wanted quiet on a Saturday afternoon she should go to the library, not a football game. Not a good example for my boys, but the other folks around us enjoyed that. Today, though only one on my sons went to Cal, they are Cal fans. (Yeah, I know that this post really belongs on Facebook instead of here, but this is my tenth day on Maui and my brain has turned into poi.)
I disagree, that was an excellent example for your boys. Will you be back for the opener, Stew? If not, do you have any gameday suggestions, places to eat, etc.?
We will be back and sitting in XX in the north end zone. I'd invite you over for dinner, but they are having festivities at the stadium beginning around 5:30 and one of my sons wants to go to those activities so we will walk over early and probably eat there.
Telegraph Ave on the South side of campus has various student type places to eat. Henry's in the Durant Hotel at Durant and Bowditch is a traditional before and after game eating and drinking site. It is three blocks from the stadium.
Quote from: CBStew on August 28, 2013, 08:04:39 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 28, 2013, 11:15:31 AM
Quote from: Brownie on August 28, 2013, 10:38:28 AM
What jackasses complain about shit being too loud in the bleachers?
But it's the RIGHT loud.
When they were very young, perhaps ages 5, 7, 9 and 12, I took my sons to a Cal football game. Cal was typically not very good and the stands had very few fans in them. It didn't matter to my boys. They cheered loudly and often. A woman a few rows ahead of us bitched at them telling them to be quiet. I lost it, telling her that if she wanted quiet on a Saturday afternoon she should go to the library, not a football game. Not a good example for my boys, but the other folks around us enjoyed that. Today, though only one on my sons went to Cal, they are Cal fans. (Yeah, I know that this post really belongs on Facebook instead of here, but this is my tenth day on Maui and my brain has turned into poi.)
I originally read this as "but this is my tenth day on Maui and my brain has turned into pot"
Quote from: flannj on August 28, 2013, 08:57:27 PM
Quote from: CBStew on August 28, 2013, 08:04:39 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 28, 2013, 11:15:31 AM
Quote from: Brownie on August 28, 2013, 10:38:28 AM
What jackasses complain about shit being too loud in the bleachers?
But it's the RIGHT loud.
When they were very young, perhaps ages 5, 7, 9 and 12, I took my sons to a Cal football game. Cal was typically not very good and the stands had very few fans in them. It didn't matter to my boys. They cheered loudly and often. A woman a few rows ahead of us bitched at them telling them to be quiet. I lost it, telling her that if she wanted quiet on a Saturday afternoon she should go to the library, not a football game. Not a good example for my boys, but the other folks around us enjoyed that. Today, though only one on my sons went to Cal, they are Cal fans. (Yeah, I know that this post really belongs on Facebook instead of here, but this is my tenth day on Maui and my brain has turned into poi.)
I originally read this as "but this is my tenth day on Maui and my brain has turned into pot"
I read this as a Jewish guy who thought he was Catholic and ended up having 4 kids, but that can't be right, so I moved on.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 29, 2013, 09:22:08 AM
Quote from: flannj on August 28, 2013, 08:57:27 PM
Quote from: CBStew on August 28, 2013, 08:04:39 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 28, 2013, 11:15:31 AM
Quote from: Brownie on August 28, 2013, 10:38:28 AM
What jackasses complain about shit being too loud in the bleachers?
But it's the RIGHT loud.
When they were very young, perhaps ages 5, 7, 9 and 12, I took my sons to a Cal football game. Cal was typically not very good and the stands had very few fans in them. It didn't matter to my boys. They cheered loudly and often. A woman a few rows ahead of us bitched at them telling them to be quiet. I lost it, telling her that if she wanted quiet on a Saturday afternoon she should go to the library, not a football game. Not a good example for my boys, but the other folks around us enjoyed that. Today, though only one on my sons went to Cal, they are Cal fans. (Yeah, I know that this post really belongs on Facebook instead of here, but this is my tenth day on Maui and my brain has turned into poi.)
I originally read this as "but this is my tenth day on Maui and my brain has turned into pot"
I read this as a Jewish guy who thought he was Catholic and ended up having 4 kids, but that can't be right, so I moved on.
There's four kids in my house. Eldest Murton, Middle Murton, Little Girl Murton and me.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 29, 2013, 09:22:08 AM
Quote from: flannj on August 28, 2013, 08:57:27 PM
Quote from: CBStew on August 28, 2013, 08:04:39 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 28, 2013, 11:15:31 AM
Quote from: Brownie on August 28, 2013, 10:38:28 AM
What jackasses complain about shit being too loud in the bleachers?
But it's the RIGHT loud.
When they were very young, perhaps ages 5, 7, 9 and 12, I took my sons to a Cal football game. Cal was typically not very good and the stands had very few fans in them. It didn't matter to my boys. They cheered loudly and often. A woman a few rows ahead of us bitched at them telling them to be quiet. I lost it, telling her that if she wanted quiet on a Saturday afternoon she should go to the library, not a football game. Not a good example for my boys, but the other folks around us enjoyed that. Today, though only one on my sons went to Cal, they are Cal fans. (Yeah, I know that this post really belongs on Facebook instead of here, but this is my tenth day on Maui and my brain has turned into poi.)
I originally read this as "but this is my tenth day on Maui and my brain has turned into pot"
I read this as a Jewish guy who thought he was Catholic and ended up having 4 kids, but that can't be right, so I moved on.
We were influenced by the Kennedys. Poor Ethel!
Up is down, dogs are living with cats, the Cubs playing for a championship (http://daytona.cubs.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130905&content_id=59635230&fext=.jsp&vkey=recap&sid=t450).
Nine games in, and Kris Bryant is off to a hot start. Currently leading the Arizona Fall League in HR and OPS. (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&lid=119&t=l_bat) Almora is fourth in OPS.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2013, 12:39:22 PM
Nine games in, and Kris Bryant is off to a hot start. Currently leading the Arizona Fall League in HR and OPS. (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&lid=119&t=l_bat) Almora is fourth in OPS.
What's the age limit on this league (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=CF&sid=l119&t=p_pbp&pid=592261)?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 24, 2013, 02:06:13 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2013, 12:39:22 PM
Nine games in, and Kris Bryant is off to a hot start. Currently leading the Arizona Fall League in HR and OPS. (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&lid=119&t=l_bat) Almora is fourth in OPS.
What's the age limit on this league (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=CF&sid=l119&t=p_pbp&pid=592261)?
I doubt it's 21.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 24, 2013, 02:06:13 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2013, 12:39:22 PM
Nine games in, and Kris Bryant is off to a hot start. Currently leading the Arizona Fall League in HR and OPS. (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&lid=119&t=l_bat) Almora is fourth in OPS.
What's the age limit on this league (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=CF&sid=l119&t=p_pbp&pid=592261)?
There is no age limit. Each major league team needs to provide six players from their organization to compete in the league. Players from AAA and AA are eligible, but they have to have been on the AA roster (or higher) by August 1. As an exception, each Major League team can place one player from below AA level on the AFL list. All players who compete in the league must have less than one year of service time as of August 31. There may also be one foreign player added from each organization, provided that the nation in which that player resides does not also offer a winter-ball league. Players who have been on minor league disabled lists must have been activated at least 45 days prior to the conclusion of said season.
No, Chuck.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2013, 12:39:22 PM
Nine games in, and Kris Bryant is off to a hot start. Currently leading the Arizona Fall League in HR and OPS. (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&lid=119&t=l_bat) Almora is fourth in OPS.
Plus, Soler is playing today, so hopefully he and Bryant can both start in Tennessee in the spring.
Quote from: Fork on October 24, 2013, 03:32:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2013, 12:39:22 PM
Nine games in, and Kris Bryant is off to a hot start. Currently leading the Arizona Fall League in HR and OPS. (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&lid=119&t=l_bat) Almora is fourth in OPS.
Plus, Soler is playing today, so hopefully he and Bryant can both start in Tennessee in the spring.
Nobody should ever wish anybody to be in Tennessee in the Spring. Or ever.
Quote from: RedBeard on October 25, 2013, 02:50:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 24, 2013, 03:32:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2013, 12:39:22 PM
Nine games in, and Kris Bryant is off to a hot start. Currently leading the Arizona Fall League in HR and OPS. (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&lid=119&t=l_bat) Almora is fourth in OPS.
Plus, Soler is playing today, so hopefully he and Bryant can both start in Tennessee in the spring.
Nobody should ever wish anybody to be in Tennessee in the Spring. Or ever.
With the exception of maybe Geneva, the Cubs' farm teams all play in shitholes of varying degrees. Good motivation to make them want to get to Chicago ASAP.
Quote from: Fork on October 25, 2013, 08:52:09 AM
Quote from: RedBeard on October 25, 2013, 02:50:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 24, 2013, 03:32:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2013, 12:39:22 PM
Nine games in, and Kris Bryant is off to a hot start. Currently leading the Arizona Fall League in HR and OPS. (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&lid=119&t=l_bat) Almora is fourth in OPS.
Plus, Soler is playing today, so hopefully he and Bryant can both start in Tennessee in the spring.
Nobody should ever wish anybody to be in Tennessee in the Spring. Or ever.
With the exception of maybe Geneva, the Cubs' farm teams all play in shitholes of varying degrees. Good motivation to make them want to get to Chicago ASAP.
Daytona Beach is a shithole? All of it?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 25, 2013, 10:05:19 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 25, 2013, 08:52:09 AM
Quote from: RedBeard on October 25, 2013, 02:50:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 24, 2013, 03:32:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2013, 12:39:22 PM
Nine games in, and Kris Bryant is off to a hot start. Currently leading the Arizona Fall League in HR and OPS. (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&lid=119&t=l_bat) Almora is fourth in OPS.
Plus, Soler is playing today, so hopefully he and Bryant can both start in Tennessee in the spring.
Nobody should ever wish anybody to be in Tennessee in the Spring. Or ever.
With the exception of maybe Geneva, the Cubs' farm teams all play in shitholes of varying degrees. Good motivation to make them want to get to Chicago ASAP.
Daytona Beach is a shithole? All of it?
Depends on how much you like bikers...every bar I've been in has a "No Colors After 5:00" sign.
Quote from: Fork on October 25, 2013, 10:56:34 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 25, 2013, 10:05:19 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 25, 2013, 08:52:09 AM
Quote from: RedBeard on October 25, 2013, 02:50:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 24, 2013, 03:32:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2013, 12:39:22 PM
Nine games in, and Kris Bryant is off to a hot start. Currently leading the Arizona Fall League in HR and OPS. (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&lid=119&t=l_bat) Almora is fourth in OPS.
Plus, Soler is playing today, so hopefully he and Bryant can both start in Tennessee in the spring.
Nobody should ever wish anybody to be in Tennessee in the Spring. Or ever.
With the exception of maybe Geneva, the Cubs' farm teams all play in shitholes of varying degrees. Good motivation to make them want to get to Chicago ASAP.
Daytona Beach is a shithole? All of it?
Depends on how much you like bikers...every bar I've been in has a "No Colors After 5:00" sign.
Racist.
Quote from: Fork on October 25, 2013, 08:52:09 AM
Quote from: RedBeard on October 25, 2013, 02:50:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 24, 2013, 03:32:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2013, 12:39:22 PM
Nine games in, and Kris Bryant is off to a hot start. Currently leading the Arizona Fall League in HR and OPS. (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&lid=119&t=l_bat) Almora is fourth in OPS.
Plus, Soler is playing today, so hopefully he and Bryant can both start in Tennessee in the spring.
Nobody should ever wish anybody to be in Tennessee in the Spring. Or ever.
With the exception of maybe Geneva, the Cubs' farm teams all play in shitholes of varying degrees. Good motivation to make them want to get to Chicago ASAP.
I wouldn't consider Des Moines a shithole. Maybe less interesting and cosmopolitan compared to Chicago, but it's far from a shithole.
Quote from: ChuckD on October 25, 2013, 11:48:11 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 25, 2013, 08:52:09 AM
Quote from: RedBeard on October 25, 2013, 02:50:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 24, 2013, 03:32:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2013, 12:39:22 PM
Nine games in, and Kris Bryant is off to a hot start. Currently leading the Arizona Fall League in HR and OPS. (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&lid=119&t=l_bat) Almora is fourth in OPS.
Plus, Soler is playing today, so hopefully he and Bryant can both start in Tennessee in the spring.
Nobody should ever wish anybody to be in Tennessee in the Spring. Or ever.
With the exception of maybe Geneva, the Cubs' farm teams all play in shitholes of varying degrees. Good motivation to make them want to get to Chicago ASAP.
I wouldn't consider Des Moines a shithole. Maybe less interesting and cosmopolitan compared to Chicago, but it's far from a shithole.
It lives up to its rep as the Toronto of Iowa?
Quote from: CT III on October 25, 2013, 11:52:02 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 25, 2013, 11:48:11 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 25, 2013, 08:52:09 AM
Quote from: RedBeard on October 25, 2013, 02:50:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 24, 2013, 03:32:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2013, 12:39:22 PM
Nine games in, and Kris Bryant is off to a hot start. Currently leading the Arizona Fall League in HR and OPS. (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&lid=119&t=l_bat) Almora is fourth in OPS.
Plus, Soler is playing today, so hopefully he and Bryant can both start in Tennessee in the spring.
Nobody should ever wish anybody to be in Tennessee in the Spring. Or ever.
With the exception of maybe Geneva, the Cubs' farm teams all play in shitholes of varying degrees. Good motivation to make them want to get to Chicago ASAP.
I wouldn't consider Des Moines a shithole. Maybe less interesting and cosmopolitan compared to Chicago, but it's far from a shithole.
It lives up to its rep as the Toronto of Iowa?
There are numerous pockets of Chicago that are as shitty as anything you'll find anywhere in the U.S., including Detroit.
Nothing wrong with Boise either, if you like getting out of your mom's basement and being outside for a change.
Quote from: Internet Apex on October 25, 2013, 11:56:00 AM
Quote from: CT III on October 25, 2013, 11:52:02 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 25, 2013, 11:48:11 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 25, 2013, 08:52:09 AM
Quote from: RedBeard on October 25, 2013, 02:50:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 24, 2013, 03:32:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2013, 12:39:22 PM
Nine games in, and Kris Bryant is off to a hot start. Currently leading the Arizona Fall League in HR and OPS. (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&lid=119&t=l_bat) Almora is fourth in OPS.
Plus, Soler is playing today, so hopefully he and Bryant can both start in Tennessee in the spring.
Nobody should ever wish anybody to be in Tennessee in the Spring. Or ever.
With the exception of maybe Geneva, the Cubs' farm teams all play in shitholes of varying degrees. Good motivation to make them want to get to Chicago ASAP.
I wouldn't consider Des Moines a shithole. Maybe less interesting and cosmopolitan compared to Chicago, but it's far from a shithole.
It lives up to its rep as the Toronto of Iowa?
There are numerous pockets of Chicago that are as shitty as anything you'll find anywhere in the U.S., including Detroit.
Thanks, I had no idea.
Quote from: ChuckD on October 25, 2013, 11:48:11 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 25, 2013, 08:52:09 AM
Quote from: RedBeard on October 25, 2013, 02:50:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 24, 2013, 03:32:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2013, 12:39:22 PM
Nine games in, and Kris Bryant is off to a hot start. Currently leading the Arizona Fall League in HR and OPS. (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&lid=119&t=l_bat) Almora is fourth in OPS.
Plus, Soler is playing today, so hopefully he and Bryant can both start in Tennessee in the spring.
Nobody should ever wish anybody to be in Tennessee in the Spring. Or ever.
With the exception of maybe Geneva, the Cubs' farm teams all play in shitholes of varying degrees. Good motivation to make them want to get to Chicago ASAP.
I wouldn't consider Des Moines a shithole. Maybe less interesting and cosmopolitan compared to Chicago, but it's far from a shithole.
Des Moines is great. That big city feel with a total lack of diversity.
Quote from: Eli on October 25, 2013, 12:02:50 PM
Nothing wrong with Boise either, if you like getting out of your mom's basement and being outside for a change.
Yeah, but you run the risk of bumping into Huey in the potato fields.
Quote from: SKO on October 25, 2013, 12:21:20 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 25, 2013, 11:48:11 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 25, 2013, 08:52:09 AM
Quote from: RedBeard on October 25, 2013, 02:50:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 24, 2013, 03:32:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2013, 12:39:22 PM
Nine games in, and Kris Bryant is off to a hot start. Currently leading the Arizona Fall League in HR and OPS. (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&lid=119&t=l_bat) Almora is fourth in OPS.
Plus, Soler is playing today, so hopefully he and Bryant can both start in Tennessee in the spring.
Nobody should ever wish anybody to be in Tennessee in the Spring. Or ever.
With the exception of maybe Geneva, the Cubs' farm teams all play in shitholes of varying degrees. Good motivation to make them want to get to Chicago ASAP.
I wouldn't consider Des Moines a shithole. Maybe less interesting and cosmopolitan compared to Chicago, but it's far from a shithole.
Des Moines is great. That big city feel with a total lack of diversity.
So, perfection?
Quote from: Yeti on October 25, 2013, 01:37:44 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 25, 2013, 12:21:20 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 25, 2013, 11:48:11 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 25, 2013, 08:52:09 AM
Quote from: RedBeard on October 25, 2013, 02:50:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 24, 2013, 03:32:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2013, 12:39:22 PM
Nine games in, and Kris Bryant is off to a hot start. Currently leading the Arizona Fall League in HR and OPS. (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&lid=119&t=l_bat) Almora is fourth in OPS.
Plus, Soler is playing today, so hopefully he and Bryant can both start in Tennessee in the spring.
Nobody should ever wish anybody to be in Tennessee in the Spring. Or ever.
With the exception of maybe Geneva, the Cubs' farm teams all play in shitholes of varying degrees. Good motivation to make them want to get to Chicago ASAP.
I wouldn't consider Des Moines a shithole. Maybe less interesting and cosmopolitan compared to Chicago, but it's far from a shithole.
Des Moines is great. That big city feel with a total lack of diversity.
So, perfection?
But can you hail a cab?
Quote from: Fork on October 25, 2013, 10:56:34 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 25, 2013, 10:05:19 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 25, 2013, 08:52:09 AM
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Nine games in, and Kris Bryant is off to a hot start. Currently leading the Arizona Fall League in HR and OPS. (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&lid=119&t=l_bat) Almora is fourth in OPS.
Plus, Soler is playing today, so hopefully he and Bryant can both start in Tennessee in the spring.
Nobody should ever wish anybody to be in Tennessee in the Spring. Or ever.
With the exception of maybe Geneva, the Cubs' farm teams all play in shitholes of varying degrees. Good motivation to make them want to get to Chicago ASAP.
Daytona Beach is a shithole? All of it?
Depends on how much you like bikers...every bar I've been in has a "No Colors After 5:00" sign.
I don't remember seeing any bikers there, just a really nice view from a hotel on Daytona Beach Shores and the charming landmark that is Jackie Robinson Ballpark. Maybe if I'd gone to the bars?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 25, 2013, 02:40:58 PM
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 25, 2013, 10:05:19 AM
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2013, 12:39:22 PM
Nine games in, and Kris Bryant is off to a hot start. Currently leading the Arizona Fall League in HR and OPS. (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&lid=119&t=l_bat) Almora is fourth in OPS.
Plus, Soler is playing today, so hopefully he and Bryant can both start in Tennessee in the spring.
Nobody should ever wish anybody to be in Tennessee in the Spring. Or ever.
With the exception of maybe Geneva, the Cubs' farm teams all play in shitholes of varying degrees. Good motivation to make them want to get to Chicago ASAP.
Daytona Beach is a shithole? All of it?
Depends on how much you like bikers...every bar I've been in has a "No Colors After 5:00" sign.
I don't remember seeing any bikers there, just a really nice view from a hotel on Daytona Beach Shores and the charming landmark that is Jackie Robinson Ballpark. Maybe if I'd gone to the bars?
Maybe. Heaven knows ballplayers never go to them.
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Quote from: Fork on October 24, 2013, 03:32:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2013, 12:39:22 PM
Nine games in, and Kris Bryant is off to a hot start. Currently leading the Arizona Fall League in HR and OPS. (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&lid=119&t=l_bat) Almora is fourth in OPS.
Plus, Soler is playing today, so hopefully he and Bryant can both start in Tennessee in the spring.
Nobody should ever wish anybody to be in Tennessee in the Spring. Or ever.
With the exception of maybe Geneva, the Cubs' farm teams all play in shitholes of varying degrees. Good motivation to make them want to get to Chicago ASAP.
I wouldn't consider Des Moines a shithole. Maybe less interesting and cosmopolitan compared to Chicago, but it's far from a shithole.
It lives up to its rep as the Toronto of Iowa?
There are numerous pockets of Chicago that are as shitty as anything you'll find anywhere in the U.S., including Detroit.
Thanks, I had no idea.
One such place is called "Lakeview."
Quote from: Fork on October 25, 2013, 10:56:34 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 25, 2013, 10:05:19 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 25, 2013, 08:52:09 AM
Quote from: RedBeard on October 25, 2013, 02:50:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 24, 2013, 03:32:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2013, 12:39:22 PM
Nine games in, and Kris Bryant is off to a hot start. Currently leading the Arizona Fall League in HR and OPS. (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&lid=119&t=l_bat) Almora is fourth in OPS.
Plus, Soler is playing today, so hopefully he and Bryant can both start in Tennessee in the spring.
Nobody should ever wish anybody to be in Tennessee in the Spring. Or ever.
With the exception of maybe Geneva, the Cubs' farm teams all play in shitholes of varying degrees. Good motivation to make them want to get to Chicago ASAP.
Daytona Beach is a shithole? All of it?
Depends on how much you like bikers...every bar I've been in has a "No Colors After 5:00" sign.
Back when I first started working, I spent 14 days working for Camel at Daytona Bike Week.
I also worked a Daytona 500 and a Firecracker 500 (Pepsi? I don't remember) at Daytona International Speedway for Winston.
Yeah, it's a shit hole.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 28, 2013, 11:43:01 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 25, 2013, 10:56:34 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 25, 2013, 10:05:19 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 25, 2013, 08:52:09 AM
Quote from: RedBeard on October 25, 2013, 02:50:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 24, 2013, 03:32:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2013, 12:39:22 PM
Nine games in, and Kris Bryant is off to a hot start. Currently leading the Arizona Fall League in HR and OPS. (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&lid=119&t=l_bat) Almora is fourth in OPS.
Plus, Soler is playing today, so hopefully he and Bryant can both start in Tennessee in the spring.
Nobody should ever wish anybody to be in Tennessee in the Spring. Or ever.
With the exception of maybe Geneva, the Cubs' farm teams all play in shitholes of varying degrees. Good motivation to make them want to get to Chicago ASAP.
Daytona Beach is a shithole? All of it?
Depends on how much you like bikers...every bar I've been in has a "No Colors After 5:00" sign.
Back when I first started working, I spent 14 days working for Camel at Daytona Bike Week.
I also worked a Daytona 500 and a Firecracker 500 (Pepsi? I don't remember) at Daytona International Speedway for Winston.
Yeah, it's a shit hole.
Two cigarette brands and Pepsi? You are terrible at being a hippie.
Quote from: Bort on October 28, 2013, 12:37:00 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 28, 2013, 11:43:01 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 25, 2013, 10:56:34 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 25, 2013, 10:05:19 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 25, 2013, 08:52:09 AM
Quote from: RedBeard on October 25, 2013, 02:50:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 24, 2013, 03:32:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2013, 12:39:22 PM
Nine games in, and Kris Bryant is off to a hot start. Currently leading the Arizona Fall League in HR and OPS. (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&lid=119&t=l_bat) Almora is fourth in OPS.
Plus, Soler is playing today, so hopefully he and Bryant can both start in Tennessee in the spring.
Nobody should ever wish anybody to be in Tennessee in the Spring. Or ever.
With the exception of maybe Geneva, the Cubs' farm teams all play in shitholes of varying degrees. Good motivation to make them want to get to Chicago ASAP.
Daytona Beach is a shithole? All of it?
Depends on how much you like bikers...every bar I've been in has a "No Colors After 5:00" sign.
Back when I first started working, I spent 14 days working for Camel at Daytona Bike Week.
I also worked a Daytona 500 and a Firecracker 500 (Pepsi? I don't remember) at Daytona International Speedway for Winston.
Yeah, it's a shit hole.
Two cigarette brands and Pepsi? You are terrible at being a hippie.
I have not worked for Pepsi.
It is a client of my current company and I have been involved, but never directly on the account.
The Pepsi in the above post was in reference to the title sponsor of the race.
And the cigarette brands were both over 10 years ago.
For now, I'll just be over here working on 2014 planning for the best organic bread money can buy (http://daveskillerbread.com/), thankyouverymuch.
#HippieCred.
And no, we didn't build their website.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 28, 2013, 01:20:44 PM
Quote from: Bort on October 28, 2013, 12:37:00 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 28, 2013, 11:43:01 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 25, 2013, 10:56:34 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 25, 2013, 10:05:19 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 25, 2013, 08:52:09 AM
Quote from: RedBeard on October 25, 2013, 02:50:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 24, 2013, 03:32:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2013, 12:39:22 PM
Nine games in, and Kris Bryant is off to a hot start. Currently leading the Arizona Fall League in HR and OPS. (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&lid=119&t=l_bat) Almora is fourth in OPS.
Plus, Soler is playing today, so hopefully he and Bryant can both start in Tennessee in the spring.
Nobody should ever wish anybody to be in Tennessee in the Spring. Or ever.
With the exception of maybe Geneva, the Cubs' farm teams all play in shitholes of varying degrees. Good motivation to make them want to get to Chicago ASAP.
Daytona Beach is a shithole? All of it?
Depends on how much you like bikers...every bar I've been in has a "No Colors After 5:00" sign.
Back when I first started working, I spent 14 days working for Camel at Daytona Bike Week.
I also worked a Daytona 500 and a Firecracker 500 (Pepsi? I don't remember) at Daytona International Speedway for Winston.
Yeah, it's a shit hole.
Two cigarette brands and Pepsi? You are terrible at being a hippie.
I have not worked for Pepsi.
It is a client of my current company and I have been involved, but never directly on the account.
The Pepsi in the above post was in reference to the title sponsor of the race.
And the cigarette brands were both over 10 years ago.
For now, I'll just be over here working on 2014 planning for the best organic bread money can buy (http://daveskillerbread.com/), thankyouverymuch.
#HippieCred.
And no, we didn't build their website.
STOP MONETIZING MY FRINGE INTERNET HOME, YOU SOULLESS PEN DRAPER.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 28, 2013, 01:43:39 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 28, 2013, 01:20:44 PM
Quote from: Bort on October 28, 2013, 12:37:00 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 28, 2013, 11:43:01 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 25, 2013, 10:56:34 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 25, 2013, 10:05:19 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 25, 2013, 08:52:09 AM
Quote from: RedBeard on October 25, 2013, 02:50:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 24, 2013, 03:32:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2013, 12:39:22 PM
Nine games in, and Kris Bryant is off to a hot start. Currently leading the Arizona Fall League in HR and OPS. (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&lid=119&t=l_bat) Almora is fourth in OPS.
Plus, Soler is playing today, so hopefully he and Bryant can both start in Tennessee in the spring.
Nobody should ever wish anybody to be in Tennessee in the Spring. Or ever.
With the exception of maybe Geneva, the Cubs' farm teams all play in shitholes of varying degrees. Good motivation to make them want to get to Chicago ASAP.
Daytona Beach is a shithole? All of it?
Depends on how much you like bikers...every bar I've been in has a "No Colors After 5:00" sign.
Back when I first started working, I spent 14 days working for Camel at Daytona Bike Week.
I also worked a Daytona 500 and a Firecracker 500 (Pepsi? I don't remember) at Daytona International Speedway for Winston.
Yeah, it's a shit hole.
Two cigarette brands and Pepsi? You are terrible at being a hippie.
I have not worked for Pepsi.
It is a client of my current company and I have been involved, but never directly on the account.
The Pepsi in the above post was in reference to the title sponsor of the race.
And the cigarette brands were both over 10 years ago.
For now, I'll just be over here working on 2014 planning for the best organic bread money can buy (http://daveskillerbread.com/), thankyouverymuch.
#HippieCred.
And no, we didn't build their website.
STOP MONETIZING MY FRINGE INTERNET HOME, YOU SOULLESS PEN DRAPER.
Phish is rolling in its grave.
Quote from: Bort on October 28, 2013, 04:03:41 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 28, 2013, 01:43:39 PM
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 25, 2013, 10:05:19 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 25, 2013, 08:52:09 AM
Quote from: RedBeard on October 25, 2013, 02:50:22 AM
Quote from: Fork on October 24, 2013, 03:32:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 24, 2013, 12:39:22 PM
Nine games in, and Kris Bryant is off to a hot start. Currently leading the Arizona Fall League in HR and OPS. (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&lid=119&t=l_bat) Almora is fourth in OPS.
Plus, Soler is playing today, so hopefully he and Bryant can both start in Tennessee in the spring.
Nobody should ever wish anybody to be in Tennessee in the Spring. Or ever.
With the exception of maybe Geneva, the Cubs' farm teams all play in shitholes of varying degrees. Good motivation to make them want to get to Chicago ASAP.
Daytona Beach is a shithole? All of it?
Depends on how much you like bikers...every bar I've been in has a "No Colors After 5:00" sign.
Back when I first started working, I spent 14 days working for Camel at Daytona Bike Week.
I also worked a Daytona 500 and a Firecracker 500 (Pepsi? I don't remember) at Daytona International Speedway for Winston.
Yeah, it's a shit hole.
Two cigarette brands and Pepsi? You are terrible at being a hippie.
I have not worked for Pepsi.
It is a client of my current company and I have been involved, but never directly on the account.
The Pepsi in the above post was in reference to the title sponsor of the race.
And the cigarette brands were both over 10 years ago.
For now, I'll just be over here working on 2014 planning for the best organic bread money can buy (http://daveskillerbread.com/), thankyouverymuch.
#HippieCred.
And no, we didn't build their website.
STOP MONETIZING MY FRINGE INTERNET HOME, YOU SOULLESS PEN DRAPER.
Phish is rolling in its grave.
Good.
Bryant, Almora and Soler are good at hitting (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&sid=l119&cid=555&y=2013).
I just heard on The Score that the Cubs might be trading Samardzija to Arizona. I have... this (https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/397503733103218688) link. That's all I have.
Stay tuned I guess.
Quote from: Internet Apex on November 04, 2013, 05:35:30 PM
I just heard on The Score that the Cubs might be trading Samardzija to Arizona. I have... this (https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/397503733103218688) link. That's all I have.
Stay tuned I guess.
Everything's coming up Bort!
QuoteBaez, Bryant and Soler will have to work out where to play, but the trio gives the Cubs a unique collection of 80-power righthanded bats that other organizations envy.
8====D ~~~
BA's Cubs Top Ten: (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-chicago-cubs-top-10-prospects/)
1. Baez
2. Bryant
3. Edwards
4. Almora
5. Soler
6. Johnson
7. Alcantara
8. Candelario
9. Vogelbach
10. Vizcaino
QuoteBest Hitter for Average: Almora
Best Power Hitter: Baez
Best Strike-Zone Discipline: Candelario
Fastest Baserunner: Hannemann
Best Athlete: Hannemann
Best Fastball: Edwards
Best Curveball: Edwards
Best Slider: Johnson
Best Changeup: Hendricks
Best Control: Hendricks
Best Defensive Catcher: Remillard
Best Defensive Infielder: Villanueva
Best Infield Arm: Bryant
Best Defensive Outfielder: Almora
Best Outfield Arm: Soler
Not a single mention of Olt anywhere, not even in the top 15 players 25 and under (Olt is 25).
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 12, 2013, 11:06:58 AM
QuoteBaez, Bryant and Soler will have to work out where to play, but the trio gives the Cubs a unique collection of 80-power righthanded bats that other organizations envy.
8====D ~~~
BA's Cubs Top Ten: (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-chicago-cubs-top-10-prospects/)
1. Baez
2. Bryant
3. Edwards
4. Almora
5. Soler
6. Johnson
7. Alcantara
8. Candelario
9. Vogelbach
10. Vizcaino
QuoteBest Hitter for Average: Almora
Best Power Hitter: Baez
Best Strike-Zone Discipline: Candelario
Fastest Baserunner: Hannemann
Best Athlete: Hannemann
Best Fastball: Edwards
Best Curveball: Edwards
Best Slider: Johnson
Best Changeup: Hendricks
Best Control: Hendricks
Best Defensive Catcher: Remillard
Best Defensive Infielder: Villanueva
Best Infield Arm: Bryant
Best Defensive Outfielder: Almora
Best Outfield Arm: Soler
Not a single mention of Olt anywhere, not even in the top 15 players 25 and under (Olt is 25).
I don't know if Edwards possessing the best fastball AND curveball is because the dude is awesome or because the rest of the pitching talent in the system is so mediocre, but ... swoon.
Quote from: ChuckD on November 12, 2013, 11:10:58 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 12, 2013, 11:06:58 AM
QuoteBaez, Bryant and Soler will have to work out where to play, but the trio gives the Cubs a unique collection of 80-power righthanded bats that other organizations envy.
8====D ~~~
BA's Cubs Top Ten: (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-chicago-cubs-top-10-prospects/)
1. Baez
2. Bryant
3. Edwards
4. Almora
5. Soler
6. Johnson
7. Alcantara
8. Candelario
9. Vogelbach
10. Vizcaino
QuoteBest Hitter for Average: Almora
Best Power Hitter: Baez
Best Strike-Zone Discipline: Candelario
Fastest Baserunner: Hannemann
Best Athlete: Hannemann
Best Fastball: Edwards
Best Curveball: Edwards
Best Slider: Johnson
Best Changeup: Hendricks
Best Control: Hendricks
Best Defensive Catcher: Remillard
Best Defensive Infielder: Villanueva
Best Infield Arm: Bryant
Best Defensive Outfielder: Almora
Best Outfield Arm: Soler
Not a single mention of Olt anywhere, not even in the top 15 players 25 and under (Olt is 25).
I don't know if Edwards possessing the best fastball AND curveball is because the dude is awesome or because the rest of the pitching talent in the system is so mediocre, but ... swoon.
Yeah, Edwards was the biggest surprise for me - just how highly ranked he is.
Considering that Almora and Soler are pretty elite prospects, for him to be ranked ABOVE those guys is just huge.
Add in Rizzo, Castro and maybe Olt (AND VITTERS!) and the haul coming from Samardzija and this team is gonna be awesome in 2020.
Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM
Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.
Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can
trade one player
for another player.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM
Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.
Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.
Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM
Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.
Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.
Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.
Or if Rizzo continues to meh.
Quote from: BH on November 12, 2013, 12:49:41 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM
Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.
Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.
Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.
Or if Rizzo continues to meh.
Except Rizzo wasn't meh
Quote from: BH on November 12, 2013, 12:49:41 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM
Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.
Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.
Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.
Or if Rizzo continues to meh.
Vogelbach is significantly less than good defensively. If Rizzo never turns into an elite hitter, he's still a better than average defensive one.
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 01:00:24 PM
Quote from: BH on November 12, 2013, 12:49:41 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM
Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.
Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.
Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.
Or if Rizzo continues to meh.
Vogelbach is significantly less than good defensively. If Rizzo never turns into an elite hitter, he's still a better than average defensive one.
Does that mean he brings his bat out to the field with him? Reggie Jackson tried that I think.
Quote from: Slaky on November 12, 2013, 12:57:58 PM
Quote from: BH on November 12, 2013, 12:49:41 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM
Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.
Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.
Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.
Or if Rizzo continues to meh.
Except Rizzo wasn't meh
I'll bite: what was he, then?
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 01:00:24 PM
Quote from: BH on November 12, 2013, 12:49:41 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM
Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.
Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.
Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.
Or if Rizzo continues to meh.
Vogelbach is significantly less than good defensively. If Rizzo never turns into an elite hitter, he's still a better than average defensive one.
If he never turns into an elite hitter, that's going to be disappointing, no matter how good his glove is at first base.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 01:22:41 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 01:00:24 PM
Quote from: BH on November 12, 2013, 12:49:41 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM
Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.
Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.
Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.
Or if Rizzo continues to meh.
Vogelbach is significantly less than good defensively. If Rizzo never turns into an elite hitter, he's still a better than average defensive one.
If he never turns into an elite hitter, that's going to be disappointing, no matter how good his glove is at first base.
I agree. I also think he's going to improve as a hitter, especially as he starts getting
more some protection in the lineup.
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 01:30:30 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 01:22:41 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 01:00:24 PM
Quote from: BH on November 12, 2013, 12:49:41 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM
Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.
Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.
Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.
Or if Rizzo continues to meh.
Vogelbach is significantly less than good defensively. If Rizzo never turns into an elite hitter, he's still a better than average defensive one.
If he never turns into an elite hitter, that's going to be disappointing, no matter how good his glove is at first base.
I agree. I also think he's going to improve as a hitter, especially as he starts getting more some protection in the lineup.
Lineup protection: Not a real thing (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/what-would-lineup-protection-look-like/).
Quote from: Eli on November 12, 2013, 01:40:19 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 01:30:30 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 01:22:41 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 01:00:24 PM
Quote from: BH on November 12, 2013, 12:49:41 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM
Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.
Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.
Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.
Or if Rizzo continues to meh.
Vogelbach is significantly less than good defensively. If Rizzo never turns into an elite hitter, he's still a better than average defensive one.
If he never turns into an elite hitter, that's going to be disappointing, no matter how good his glove is at first base.
I agree. I also think he's going to improve as a hitter, especially as he starts getting more some protection in the lineup.
Lineup protection: Not a real thing (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/what-would-lineup-protection-look-like/).
Just because Fangraphs says it doesn't make it gospel. If San Francisco had a halfway decent hitter behind Barriod he wouldn't have walked 872 times in 5 years.
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Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.
Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.
Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.
Or if Rizzo continues to meh.
Vogelbach is significantly less than good defensively. If Rizzo never turns into an elite hitter, he's still a better than average defensive one.
If he never turns into an elite hitter, that's going to be disappointing, no matter how good his glove is at first base.
I agree. I also think he's going to improve as a hitter, especially as he starts getting more some protection in the lineup.
Lineup protection: Not a real thing (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/what-would-lineup-protection-look-like/).
Just because Fangraphs says it doesn't make it gospel. If San Francisco had a halfway decent hitter behind Barriod he wouldn't have walked 872 times in 5 years.
That author seems satisfied with his conclusion after observing one of the best offensive players in the past 20 years in his best season and finding that he mashed the fuck out of the ball no matter where he was in the lineup. I think we need more information.
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 01:49:48 PM
If San Francisco had a halfway decent hitter behind Barriod he wouldn't have walked 872 times in 5 years.
You don't know that.
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Quote from: Slaky on November 12, 2013, 12:57:58 PM
Quote from: BH on November 12, 2013, 12:49:41 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM
Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.
Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.
Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.
Or if Rizzo continues to meh.
Except Rizzo wasn't meh
I'll bite: what was he, then?
Well he wasn't super awesome and I suppose meh isn't really BH saying "Rizzstink is Terrible" but I just think Rizzo can and will be a guy who gets you a nice amount of extra base hits and plus defense for a long time.
I don't expect him to be a superduper star though so maybe it's an expectation thing.
Quote from: Eli on November 12, 2013, 01:57:55 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 01:49:48 PM
If San Francisco had a halfway decent hitter behind Barriod he wouldn't have walked 872 times in 5 years.
You don't know that.
Yes I do. 306 of those were intentional, including 120 in 2004. There was no fear of whoever was on deck while he was leaving his body armor in the batter's box.
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Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM
Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.
Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.
Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.
Or if Rizzo continues to meh.
Vogelbach is significantly less than good defensively. If Rizzo never turns into an elite hitter, he's still a better than average defensive one.
If he never turns into an elite hitter, that's going to be disappointing, no matter how good his glove is at first base.
I agree. I also think he's going to improve as a hitter, especially as he starts getting more some protection in the lineup.
Lineup protection: Not a real thing (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/what-would-lineup-protection-look-like/).
Just because Fangraphs says it doesn't make it gospel. If San Francisco had a halfway decent hitter behind Barriod he wouldn't have walked 872 times in 5 years.
That author seems satisfied with his conclusion after observing one of the best offensive players in the past 20 years in his best season and finding that he mashed the fuck out of the ball no matter where he was in the lineup. I think we need more information.
You can Google "lineup protection myth" and find dozens of articles. Basically, guys will get a few more hits but that's canceled out by fewer walks. There's no discernible difference in value.
Quote from: Slaky on November 12, 2013, 01:59:24 PM
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Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM
Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.
Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.
Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.
Or if Rizzo continues to meh.
Except Rizzo wasn't meh
I'll bite: what was he, then?
Well he wasn't super awesome and I suppose meh isn't really BH saying "Rizzstink is Terrible" but I just think Rizzo can and will be a guy who gets you a nice amount of extra base hits and plus defense for a long time.
I don't expect him to be a superduper star though so maybe it's an expectation thing.
It's definitely an expectation thing. If Rizzo was a top 10 prospect on par with your Javier Baezez or your Kris Bryant'z of the world, the Cubs wouldn't have been able to snag him (Baseball America had him as #47 after his 2011 season where he had amazing #s in the PCL and shitty ones in San Diego). But because Cubes fans were starved for good news and he was Jedstink's first major acquisition, he came up with the expectations you'd normally attach to a much more highly ranked prospect.
Quote from: R-V on November 12, 2013, 02:18:42 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 12, 2013, 01:59:24 PM
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Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM
Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.
Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.
Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.
Or if Rizzo continues to meh.
Except Rizzo wasn't meh
I'll bite: what was he, then?
Well he wasn't super awesome and I suppose meh isn't really BH saying "Rizzstink is Terrible" but I just think Rizzo can and will be a guy who gets you a nice amount of extra base hits and plus defense for a long time.
I don't expect him to be a superduper star though so maybe it's an expectation thing.
It's definitely an expectation thing. If Rizzo was a top 10 prospect on par with your Javier Baezez or your Kris Bryant'z of the world, the Cubs wouldn't have been able to snag him (Baseball America had him as #47 after his 2011 season where he had amazing #s in the PCL and shitty ones in San Diego). But because Cubes fans were starved for good news and he was Jedstink's first major acquisition, he came up with the expectations you'd normally attach to a much more highly ranked prospect.
Yeah - exactly that.
So while Rizzo isn't going to be the next Cabrera, he can at least provide you with a guy who gets on base at a decent clip, will get you 70-80 XBH and very good defense.
The power that Bryant and Baez could bring would make that from Rizzo pretty acceptable - right?
Quote from: Slaky on November 12, 2013, 02:20:55 PM
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Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM
Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.
Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.
Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.
Or if Rizzo continues to meh.
Except Rizzo wasn't meh
I'll bite: what was he, then?
Well he wasn't super awesome and I suppose meh isn't really BH saying "Rizzstink is Terrible" but I just think Rizzo can and will be a guy who gets you a nice amount of extra base hits and plus defense for a long time.
I don't expect him to be a superduper star though so maybe it's an expectation thing.
It's definitely an expectation thing. If Rizzo was a top 10 prospect on par with your Javier Baezez or your Kris Bryant'z of the world, the Cubs wouldn't have been able to snag him (Baseball America had him as #47 after his 2011 season where he had amazing #s in the PCL and shitty ones in San Diego). But because Cubes fans were starved for good news and he was Jedstink's first major acquisition, he came up with the expectations you'd normally attach to a much more highly ranked prospect.
Yeah - exactly that.
So while Rizzo isn't going to be the next Cabrera, he can at least provide you with a guy who gets on base at a decent clip, will get you 70-80 XBH and very good defense.
The power that Bryant and Baez could bring would make that from Rizzo pretty acceptable - right?
Rizzo could very well wind up being the #6 hitter in this future lineup, depending on how Soler shakes out - that's figuring 1-4 is Almora, Castro, Bryant, Baez.
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 02:25:23 PM
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Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM
Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.
Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.
Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.
Or if Rizzo continues to meh.
Except Rizzo wasn't meh
I'll bite: what was he, then?
Well he wasn't super awesome and I suppose meh isn't really BH saying "Rizzstink is Terrible" but I just think Rizzo can and will be a guy who gets you a nice amount of extra base hits and plus defense for a long time.
I don't expect him to be a superduper star though so maybe it's an expectation thing.
It's definitely an expectation thing. If Rizzo was a top 10 prospect on par with your Javier Baezez or your Kris Bryant'z of the world, the Cubs wouldn't have been able to snag him (Baseball America had him as #47 after his 2011 season where he had amazing #s in the PCL and shitty ones in San Diego). But because Cubes fans were starved for good news and he was Jedstink's first major acquisition, he came up with the expectations you'd normally attach to a much more highly ranked prospect.
Yeah - exactly that.
So while Rizzo isn't going to be the next Cabrera, he can at least provide you with a guy who gets on base at a decent clip, will get you 70-80 XBH and very good defense.
The power that Bryant and Baez could bring would make that from Rizzo pretty acceptable - right?
Rizzo could very well wind up being the #6 hitter in this future lineup, depending on how Soler shakes out - that's figuring 1-4 is Almora, Castro, Bryant, Baez.
4 Mexos, 1 Italian, and only one 'murican? The fuck, Epstink
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 02:25:23 PM
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Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM
Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.
Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.
Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.
Or if Rizzo continues to meh.
Except Rizzo wasn't meh
I'll bite: what was he, then?
Well he wasn't super awesome and I suppose meh isn't really BH saying "Rizzstink is Terrible" but I just think Rizzo can and will be a guy who gets you a nice amount of extra base hits and plus defense for a long time.
I don't expect him to be a superduper star though so maybe it's an expectation thing.
It's definitely an expectation thing. If Rizzo was a top 10 prospect on par with your Javier Baezez or your Kris Bryant'z of the world, the Cubs wouldn't have been able to snag him (Baseball America had him as #47 after his 2011 season where he had amazing #s in the PCL and shitty ones in San Diego). But because Cubes fans were starved for good news and he was Jedstink's first major acquisition, he came up with the expectations you'd normally attach to a much more highly ranked prospect.
Yeah - exactly that.
So while Rizzo isn't going to be the next Cabrera, he can at least provide you with a guy who gets on base at a decent clip, will get you 70-80 XBH and very good defense.
The power that Bryant and Baez could bring would make that from Rizzo pretty acceptable - right?
Rizzo could very well wind up being the #6 hitter in this future lineup, depending on how Soler shakes out - that's figuring 1-4 is Almora, Castro, Bryant, Baez.
I just don't see a way that all of those guys make it to that point. No way.
Quote from: Slaky on November 12, 2013, 03:29:18 PM
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Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM
Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.
Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.
Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.
Or if Rizzo continues to meh.
Except Rizzo wasn't meh
I'll bite: what was he, then?
Well he wasn't super awesome and I suppose meh isn't really BH saying "Rizzstink is Terrible" but I just think Rizzo can and will be a guy who gets you a nice amount of extra base hits and plus defense for a long time.
I don't expect him to be a superduper star though so maybe it's an expectation thing.
It's definitely an expectation thing. If Rizzo was a top 10 prospect on par with your Javier Baezez or your Kris Bryant'z of the world, the Cubs wouldn't have been able to snag him (Baseball America had him as #47 after his 2011 season where he had amazing #s in the PCL and shitty ones in San Diego). But because Cubes fans were starved for good news and he was Jedstink's first major acquisition, he came up with the expectations you'd normally attach to a much more highly ranked prospect.
Yeah - exactly that.
So while Rizzo isn't going to be the next Cabrera, he can at least provide you with a guy who gets on base at a decent clip, will get you 70-80 XBH and very good defense.
The power that Bryant and Baez could bring would make that from Rizzo pretty acceptable - right?
Rizzo could very well wind up being the #6 hitter in this future lineup, depending on how Soler shakes out - that's figuring 1-4 is Almora, Castro, Bryant, Baez.
I just don't see a way that all of those guys make it to that point. No way.
Especially Castro.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 06:24:12 PM
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Quote from: PenFoe on November 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 12, 2013, 11:40:39 AM
Vogelbach is a DH. He'll never be a Cub.
Luckily, Obama re-enacted slavery and now teams can trade one player for another player.
Unless this is part of a SNEAK ATTACK than lands the Cubs in the American League.
Or if Rizzo continues to meh.
Except Rizzo wasn't meh
I'll bite: what was he, then?
Well he wasn't super awesome and I suppose meh isn't really BH saying "Rizzstink is Terrible" but I just think Rizzo can and will be a guy who gets you a nice amount of extra base hits and plus defense for a long time.
I don't expect him to be a superduper star though so maybe it's an expectation thing.
It's definitely an expectation thing. If Rizzo was a top 10 prospect on par with your Javier Baezez or your Kris Bryant'z of the world, the Cubs wouldn't have been able to snag him (Baseball America had him as #47 after his 2011 season where he had amazing #s in the PCL and shitty ones in San Diego). But because Cubes fans were starved for good news and he was Jedstink's first major acquisition, he came up with the expectations you'd normally attach to a much more highly ranked prospect.
Yeah - exactly that.
So while Rizzo isn't going to be the next Cabrera, he can at least provide you with a guy who gets on base at a decent clip, will get you 70-80 XBH and very good defense.
The power that Bryant and Baez could bring would make that from Rizzo pretty acceptable - right?
Rizzo could very well wind up being the #6 hitter in this future lineup, depending on how Soler shakes out - that's figuring 1-4 is Almora, Castro, Bryant, Baez.
I just don't see a way that all of those guys make it to that point. No way.
Especially Castro.
This is the year where we find out if Castro's head is really not screwed on straight, or if Swaim fucked him up somehow.
Bryant 0-for-4 with two strikeouts in the AFL championship game. NOT CLUTCH, NOT A WINNER. EPSTINK IS TERRIBLE
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 16, 2013, 04:38:14 PM
Bryant 0-for-4 with two strikeouts in the AFL championship game. NOT CLUTCH, NOT A WINNER. EPSTINK IS TERRIBLE
He still won the MVP award (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/20586/prospect-kris-bryant-named-mvp-of-fall) and is in some very elite company.
"Bryant joins Jason Dubois (2003) and Sam Fuld (2007) as the only other Cubs prospects to win the MVP of the Fall League."
Quote from: BH on November 17, 2013, 07:11:03 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 16, 2013, 04:38:14 PM
Bryant 0-for-4 with two strikeouts in the AFL championship game. NOT CLUTCH, NOT A WINNER. EPSTINK IS TERRIBLE
He still won the MVP award (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/20586/prospect-kris-bryant-named-mvp-of-fall) and is in some very elite company.
"Bryant joins Jason Dubois (2003) and Sam Fuld (2007) as the only other Cubs prospects to win the MVP of the Fall League."
Bryant is too tall to ever enter into Cubs folklore like SAM FULD did.
Cubs add Arismendy Alcantara and Dallas Beeler to the 40-man roster, protecting them from the Rule 5 draft.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 20, 2013, 05:16:17 PM
Cubs add Arismendy Alcantara and Dallas Beeler to the 40-man roster, protecting them from the Rule 5 draft.
Wonder how close we are to seeing AA beat out Barney for the 2B job. Guessing another season. Why start the clock on him to lose 95 games?
Quote from: Slaky on November 21, 2013, 08:47:59 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 20, 2013, 05:16:17 PM
Cubs add Arismendy Alcantara and Dallas Beeler to the 40-man roster, protecting them from the Rule 5 draft.
Wonder how close we are to seeing AA beat out Barney for the 2B job. Guessing another season. Why start the clock on him to lose 95 games?
Plus, his strikeout numbers took a huge jump last season, even though his OPS has climbed every year as he's moved up leagues. Still not ready.
Quote from: Fork on November 21, 2013, 09:25:07 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 21, 2013, 08:47:59 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 20, 2013, 05:16:17 PM
Cubs add Arismendy Alcantara and Dallas Beeler to the 40-man roster, protecting them from the Rule 5 draft.
Wonder how close we are to seeing AA beat out Barney for the 2B job. Guessing another season. Why start the clock on him to lose 95 games?
Plus, his strikeout numbers took a huge jump last season, even though his OPS has climbed every year as he's moved up leagues. Still not ready.
His age 21 season at double-A makes Darwin Barney's age 23 season at the same level look like dogshit, strikeouts or no.
Quote from: Slaky on November 21, 2013, 09:46:24 AM
Quote from: Fork on November 21, 2013, 09:25:07 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 21, 2013, 08:47:59 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 20, 2013, 05:16:17 PM
Cubs add Arismendy Alcantara and Dallas Beeler to the 40-man roster, protecting them from the Rule 5 draft.
Wonder how close we are to seeing AA beat out Barney for the 2B job. Guessing another season. Why start the clock on him to lose 95 games?
Plus, his strikeout numbers took a huge jump last season, even though his OPS has climbed every year as he's moved up leagues. Still not ready.
His age 21 season at double-A makes Darwin Barney's age 23 season at the same level look like dogshit, strikeouts or no.
I have a FEELING that the Epstein Cubs, when finally assembled, will hit a metric fuck ton of home runs (well, by Post-Steroid Era standards) and strike out a lot. I am 100% okay with this.
Quote from: SKO on November 21, 2013, 09:49:19 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 21, 2013, 09:46:24 AM
Quote from: Fork on November 21, 2013, 09:25:07 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 21, 2013, 08:47:59 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 20, 2013, 05:16:17 PM
Cubs add Arismendy Alcantara and Dallas Beeler to the 40-man roster, protecting them from the Rule 5 draft.
Wonder how close we are to seeing AA beat out Barney for the 2B job. Guessing another season. Why start the clock on him to lose 95 games?
Plus, his strikeout numbers took a huge jump last season, even though his OPS has climbed every year as he's moved up leagues. Still not ready.
His age 21 season at double-A makes Darwin Barney's age 23 season at the same level look like dogshit, strikeouts or no.
I have a FEELING that the Epstein Cubs, when finally assembled, will hit a metric fuck ton of home runs (well, by Post-Steroid Era standards) and strike out a lot. I am 100% okay with this.
PROSPECTS NEVER PAN OUT!!!
Liam Hendriks*. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=hendri001lia)
Linking to his stellar minor league stats versus his crappy pro ones, peripherals aside.
(http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site569/2010/0429/20100429_114431_Liam%20Hendriks_300.jpg)
Congrats, Tonk!
Suck it, Eli.
Quote from: PenFoe on December 13, 2013, 12:58:54 PM
Liam Hendriks*. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=hendri001lia)
Linking to his stellar minor league stats versus his crappy pro ones, peripherals aside.
(http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site569/2010/0429/20100429_114431_Liam%20Hendriks_300.jpg)
Congrats, Tonk!
Suck it, Eli.
The prospect of Liam Hendriks and Kyle Hendricks both pitching for the Cubs makes me miss Harry and Santo.
Quote from: Fork on December 13, 2013, 01:40:19 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on December 13, 2013, 12:58:54 PM
Liam Hendriks*. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=hendri001lia)
Linking to his stellar minor league stats versus his crappy pro ones, peripherals aside.
(http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site569/2010/0429/20100429_114431_Liam%20Hendriks_300.jpg)
Congrats, Tonk!
Suck it, Eli.
The prospect of Liam Hendriks and Kyle Hendricks both pitching for the Cubs makes me miss Harry and Santo.
Something something Hendricks is too fat, Chuck is wrong as usual.
DPD. Ryan Roberts gets a minor-league deal and spring training invite, probably to compete with Darwin Barney at 2B. He's a slightly better hitter than Barney, not that it's much of an accomplishment.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 13, 2013, 02:26:23 PM
DPD. Ryan Roberts gets a minor-league deal and spring training invite, probably to compete with Darwin Barney at 2B. He's a slightly better hitter than Barney, not that it's much of an accomplishment.
Cheap ass Cubs. They were supposed to sign us Brian Roberts. Fuck this off-brand Roberts.
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 13, 2013, 02:38:44 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 13, 2013, 02:26:23 PM
DPD. Ryan Roberts gets a minor-league deal and spring training invite, probably to compete with Darwin Barney at 2B. He's a slightly better hitter than Barney, not that it's much of an accomplishment.
Cheap ass Cubs. They were supposed to sign us Brian Roberts. Fuck this off-brand Roberts.
Or at least sign Brian Roberts' non-union, Mexican equivalent, Briañero Roberto.
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 13, 2013, 02:38:44 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 13, 2013, 02:26:23 PM
DPD. Ryan Roberts gets a minor-league deal and spring training invite, probably to compete with Darwin Barney at 2B. He's a slightly better hitter than Barney, not that it's much of an accomplishment.
Cheap ass Cubs. They were supposed to sign us Brian Roberts. Fuck this off-brand Roberts.
The tattoo guy. I fucking hate this guy. I hope he gets valley fever from Steve Stone's old gay dick.
Quote from: Slaky on December 13, 2013, 04:51:25 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 13, 2013, 02:38:44 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 13, 2013, 02:26:23 PM
DPD. Ryan Roberts gets a minor-league deal and spring training invite, probably to compete with Darwin Barney at 2B. He's a slightly better hitter than Barney, not that it's much of an accomplishment.
Cheap ass Cubs. They were supposed to sign us Brian Roberts. Fuck this off-brand Roberts.
The tattoo guy. I fucking hate this guy. I hope he gets valley fever from Steve Stone's old gay dick.
(http://athletetattoodatabase.com/img/wiki_up/ryan.roberts1.jpeg)
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 13, 2013, 05:02:25 PM
Quote from: Slaky on December 13, 2013, 04:51:25 PM
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 13, 2013, 02:38:44 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 13, 2013, 02:26:23 PM
DPD. Ryan Roberts gets a minor-league deal and spring training invite, probably to compete with Darwin Barney at 2B. He's a slightly better hitter than Barney, not that it's much of an accomplishment.
Cheap ass Cubs. They were supposed to sign us Brian Roberts. Fuck this off-brand Roberts.
The tattoo guy. I fucking hate this guy. I hope he gets valley fever from Steve Stone's old gay dick.
(http://athletetattoodatabase.com/img/wiki_up/ryan.roberts1.jpeg)
IIRC, he's not only the tattoo guy, but he's super religious.
I remember hearing him on the radio a bunch when he would go through occasional hot streaks.
(http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/editorial_image/54/54a74106b5c7438f2ae16265f724c138/tatman_roberts_covers_dbacks_on_field_himself_with_tattoos.jpg)
Sounds like we will not be getting futureboners over Tanaka (http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/posting-agreement-set-cubs-plan-take-shot-tanaka).
QuoteThe Cubs plan to be in the Tanaka sweepstakes, according to sources familiar with the situation, but that pursuit has been framed as a "long shot," given the new mid-market reality at Clark and Addison.
QuoteTwo industry sources with knowledge of the team's financial picture said there's no chance, predicting the Cubs will be out of the running.
Quote from: R-V on December 17, 2013, 12:23:16 PM
Sounds like we will not be getting futureboners over Tanaka (http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/posting-agreement-set-cubs-plan-take-shot-tanaka).
QuoteThe Cubs plan to be in the Tanaka sweepstakes, according to sources familiar with the situation, but that pursuit has been framed as a "long shot," given the new mid-market reality at Clark and Addison.
QuoteTwo industry sources with knowledge of the team's financial picture said there's no chance, predicting the Cubs will be out of the running.
Even if they could afford him why would he choose to play here?
It wouldn't make any damn sense.
Quote from: Slaky on December 17, 2013, 12:47:24 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 17, 2013, 12:23:16 PM
Sounds like we will not be getting futureboners over Tanaka (http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/posting-agreement-set-cubs-plan-take-shot-tanaka).
QuoteThe Cubs plan to be in the Tanaka sweepstakes, according to sources familiar with the situation, but that pursuit has been framed as a "long shot," given the new mid-market reality at Clark and Addison.
QuoteTwo industry sources with knowledge of the team's financial picture said there's no chance, predicting the Cubs will be out of the running.
Even if they could afford him why would he choose to play here?
It wouldn't make any damn sense.
For the money, for the fun and for the glory. Mostly for the money.
Quote from: Internet Apex on December 17, 2013, 01:12:03 PM
Quote from: Slaky on December 17, 2013, 12:47:24 PM
Quote from: R-V on December 17, 2013, 12:23:16 PM
Sounds like we will not be getting futureboners over Tanaka (http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/posting-agreement-set-cubs-plan-take-shot-tanaka).
QuoteThe Cubs plan to be in the Tanaka sweepstakes, according to sources familiar with the situation, but that pursuit has been framed as a "long shot," given the new mid-market reality at Clark and Addison.
QuoteTwo industry sources with knowledge of the team's financial picture said there's no chance, predicting the Cubs will be out of the running.
Even if they could afford him why would he choose to play here?
It wouldn't make any damn sense.
For the money, for the fun and for the glory. Mostly for the money.
I can already hear the interpreter saying "I wanted to be a part of bringing the World Series championship to Chicago after 106 years"
Jose Veras, a Cube. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-the-cubs--veras-deal-20131217,0,3619457.story)
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 17, 2013, 06:48:43 PM
Jose Veras, a Cube. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-the-cubs--veras-deal-20131217,0,3619457.story)
I think he's Dominican, actually.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 17, 2013, 06:48:43 PM
Jose Veras, a Cube. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-the-cubs--veras-deal-20131217,0,3619457.story)
Hope he enjoys his half-season with Chicago.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 17, 2013, 07:17:44 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 17, 2013, 06:48:43 PM
Jose Veras, a Cube. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-the-cubs--veras-deal-20131217,0,3619457.story)
Hope he enjoys his half-season with Chicago.
Finally our flippable asset
Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2013, 09:37:48 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 17, 2013, 07:17:44 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 17, 2013, 06:48:43 PM
Jose Veras, a Cube. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-the-cubs--veras-deal-20131217,0,3619457.story)
Hope he enjoys his half-season with Chicago.
Finally our flippable asset
More like FAPPABLE ASSet! AMIRITE?!?!?!
I don't know anymore.
Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2013, 09:37:48 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 17, 2013, 07:17:44 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 17, 2013, 06:48:43 PM
Jose Veras, a Cube. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-the-cubs--veras-deal-20131217,0,3619457.story)
Hope he enjoys his half-season with Chicago.
Finally our flippable asset
On the positive side, they look like they may have a decent bullpen this year.
Quote from: Eli on December 18, 2013, 10:36:20 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2013, 09:37:48 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 17, 2013, 07:17:44 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 17, 2013, 06:48:43 PM
Jose Veras, a Cube. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-the-cubs--veras-deal-20131217,0,3619457.story)
Hope he enjoys his half-season with Chicago.
Finally our flippable asset
On the positive side, they look like they may have a decent bullpen this year.
I noticed the distinct lack of Vizcaino in most projections. I realize he's not all the way back yet but he's by far the most interesting arm that has a shot at making the roster out of camp.
Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2013, 11:14:26 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 18, 2013, 10:36:20 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2013, 09:37:48 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 17, 2013, 07:17:44 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 17, 2013, 06:48:43 PM
Jose Veras, a Cube. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-the-cubs--veras-deal-20131217,0,3619457.story)
Hope he enjoys his half-season with Chicago.
Finally our flippable asset
On the positive side, they look like they may have a decent bullpen this year.
I noticed the distinct lack of Vizcaino in most projections. I realize he's not all the way back yet but he's by far the most interesting arm that has a shot at making the roster out of camp.
I think everyone has dialed back the enthusiasm until he steps onto the mound to face an actual hitter.
Last I read (albeit from a Jepstink presser) is he was throwing seeds in Arizona.
Quote from: Fork on December 18, 2013, 01:28:15 PM
Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2013, 11:14:26 AM
Quote from: Eli on December 18, 2013, 10:36:20 AM
Quote from: Slaky on December 18, 2013, 09:37:48 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on December 17, 2013, 07:17:44 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 17, 2013, 06:48:43 PM
Jose Veras, a Cube. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-the-cubs--veras-deal-20131217,0,3619457.story)
Hope he enjoys his half-season with Chicago.
Finally our flippable asset
On the positive side, they look like they may have a decent bullpen this year.
I noticed the distinct lack of Vizcaino in most projections. I realize he's not all the way back yet but he's by far the most interesting arm that has a shot at making the roster out of camp.
I think everyone has dialed back the enthusiasm until he steps onto the mound to face an actual hitter.
Last I read (albeit from a Jepstink presser) is he was throwing seeds in Arizona.
Onan? Is that you?
Jonathan Sanchez. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-jonathan-sanchez-chicago-cubs-20131218,0,5785503.story) IT'S ALL COMING TOGETHER.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 18, 2013, 11:51:53 PM
Jonathan Sanchez. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-jonathan-sanchez-chicago-cubs-20131218,0,5785503.story) IT'S ALL COMING TOGETHER.
And from that link, the Cubs have signed Angel Guzman as a minor league pitching coach. Prepare the champagne for 2019.
Got the Asian!!! (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/12/cubs-sign-tsuyoshi-wada.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 18, 2013, 11:51:53 PM
Jonathan Sanchez. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-jonathan-sanchez-chicago-cubs-20131218,0,5785503.story) IT'S ALL COMING TOGETHER.
Pretty sure he's not a prospect.
MODS!
But that Angel Guzman note in Bort's post is music to RV's ears.
Quote from: PenFoe on December 19, 2013, 03:46:20 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 18, 2013, 11:51:53 PM
Jonathan Sanchez. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-jonathan-sanchez-chicago-cubs-20131218,0,5785503.story) IT'S ALL COMING TOGETHER.
Pretty sure he's not a prospect.
MODS!
But that Angel Guzman note in Bort's post is music to RV's ears.
This thread veered away from prospects a long time ago.
Quote from: PenFoe on December 19, 2013, 03:46:20 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 18, 2013, 11:51:53 PM
Jonathan Sanchez. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-jonathan-sanchez-chicago-cubs-20131218,0,5785503.story) IT'S ALL COMING TOGETHER.
Pretty sure he's not a prospect.
MODS!
But that Angel Guzman note in Bort's post is music to RV's ears.
ANHELL GOOSMAN will have his vengeance, in this life or the next.
Quote from: PenFoe on December 19, 2013, 03:46:20 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on December 18, 2013, 11:51:53 PM
Jonathan Sanchez. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-jonathan-sanchez-chicago-cubs-20131218,0,5785503.story) IT'S ALL COMING TOGETHER.
Pretty sure he's not a prospect.
You just wait until July 31, man.
Quote from: PenFoe on December 13, 2013, 12:58:54 PM
Liam Hendriks*. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=hendri001lia)
Linking to his stellar minor league stats versus his crappy pro ones, peripherals aside.
(http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site569/2010/0429/20100429_114431_Liam%20Hendriks_300.jpg)
Congrats, Tonk!
Suck it, Eli.
Suck it, Pen (https://twitter.com/PWSullivan/status/415197292518318080)
Another essential piece of the puzzle if uncovered!
The Chicago Cubs claimed right-handed pitcher Brett Marshall off waivers from the New York Yankees, the team announced Monday.
The 23-year-old Marshall made his major league debut for the Yankees this season, pitching in relief in three games. He posted a 4.50 ERA, struck out seven and walked seven in 12 innings. A Yankees sixth-round selection in the 2008 draft, he is 36-32 with a 4.07 ERA in 115 games, including 113 starts, in the minor leagues.
Baseball America ranked Marshall as the Yankees' sixth-best prospect following the 2013 season. The Yankees designated him for assignment on Dec. 19.
ckane@tribune.com
Quote from: CBStew on December 23, 2013, 01:45:37 PM
Another essential piece of the puzzle if uncovered!
The Chicago Cubs claimed right-handed pitcher Brett Marshall off waivers from the New York Yankees, the team announced Monday.
The 23-year-old Marshall made his major league debut for the Yankees this season, pitching in relief in three games. He posted a 4.50 ERA, struck out seven and walked seven in 12 innings. A Yankees sixth-round selection in the 2008 draft, he is 36-32 with a 4.07 ERA in 115 games, including 113 starts, in the minor leagues.
Baseball America ranked Marshall as the Yankees' sixth-best prospect following the 2013 season. The Yankees designated him for assignment on Dec. 19.
ckane@tribune.com
Well, we know who to email at least.
Can Epstink just sign Tanaka already? HOW MANY MORE TEARS, THEO?
Ben Badler breaks down the Tanaka sweepstakes (http://www.baseballamerica.com/majors/masahiro-tanaka-sweepstakes-preview-ranking-the-top-10-teams-for-the-japanese-ace/). Has the Cubs ranked 4th.
Quote from: PenFoe on January 02, 2014, 12:49:04 PM
Ben Badler breaks down the Tanaka sweepstakes (http://www.baseballamerica.com/majors/masahiro-tanaka-sweepstakes-preview-ranking-the-top-10-teams-for-the-japanese-ace/). Has the Cubs ranked 4th.
Seriously the Cubs have no chance. Smart people I like still think if they offer the most money he'll sign. I don't see that happening.
This is how I prepare myself for "Tanaka to Dodgers" because how does that not happen?
Quote from: Slaky on January 03, 2014, 09:21:31 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 02, 2014, 12:49:04 PM
Ben Badler breaks down the Tanaka sweepstakes (http://www.baseballamerica.com/majors/masahiro-tanaka-sweepstakes-preview-ranking-the-top-10-teams-for-the-japanese-ace/). Has the Cubs ranked 4th.
Seriously the Cubs have no chance. Smart people I like still think if they offer the most money he'll sign. I don't see that happening.
This is how I prepare myself for "Tanaka to Dodgers" because how does that not happen?
Because Seattke is spending money like it's about to go rotten.
Quote from: Slaky on January 03, 2014, 09:21:31 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 02, 2014, 12:49:04 PM
Ben Badler breaks down the Tanaka sweepstakes (http://www.baseballamerica.com/majors/masahiro-tanaka-sweepstakes-preview-ranking-the-top-10-teams-for-the-japanese-ace/). Has the Cubs ranked 4th.
Seriously the Cubs have no chance. Smart people I like still think if they offer the most money he'll sign. I don't see that happening.
This is how I prepare myself for "Tanaka to Dodgers" because how does that not happen?
I feel like there have been conflicting reports, too. I think it was Sahadev Sharma last week on Twitter who had some stuff from Hoyer, basically repeating that they'll probably only sign a big FA when it's a "one last move" to put them over the top. But I haven't seen those quotes elsewhere, so maybe I'm imagining it.
ETA: Found the tweets, which were more about "overpaying" for a FA.
QuoteHoyer on overpaying: If you're going to do that, it almost has to be what you consider a real final piece to the puzzle.
QuoteHoyer on overpaying: Almost by definition, whenever you sign any free agent, you overpaid because 98% of the time you offered most $
QuoteHoyer on overpaying: Free agency in general is built upon, not over paying, but paying the most money for someone and valuing them the most.
QuoteHoyer on overpaying: When people say truly overpay, I think that's going above and beyond to sign a player at all costs.
QuoteHoyer on overpaying: That doesn't work out very often. If you're going to do that it almost has to be that final capping piece on a team.
Quote from: Eli on January 03, 2014, 09:41:29 AM
Quote from: Slaky on January 03, 2014, 09:21:31 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 02, 2014, 12:49:04 PM
Ben Badler breaks down the Tanaka sweepstakes (http://www.baseballamerica.com/majors/masahiro-tanaka-sweepstakes-preview-ranking-the-top-10-teams-for-the-japanese-ace/). Has the Cubs ranked 4th.
Seriously the Cubs have no chance. Smart people I like still think if they offer the most money he'll sign. I don't see that happening.
This is how I prepare myself for "Tanaka to Dodgers" because how does that not happen?
I feel like there have been conflicting reports, too. I think it was Sahadev Sharma last week on Twitter who had some stuff from Hoyer, basically repeating that they'll probably only sign a big FA when it's a "one last move" to put them over the top. But I haven't seen those quotes elsewhere, so maybe I'm imagining it.
And I can't shake the feeling that Tanaka is nowhere near a slam dunk as some would have you believe.
baseball is such a nightmare.
The most confusing thing about the Cubs offseason goes back to Theo's quote from the preseason about how losing 90 games and having a protected pick is far better than losing 85. I took that to mean that if he had a protected pick, he'd be more willing to spend in free agency. Add that to last year's signings of Jackson and the attempted signing of Sanchez and compare it to the silence this year.
I wonder why they were far more active last year despite being a year further away from contending than they have been this year?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 03, 2014, 10:12:42 AM
The most confusing thing about the Cubs offseason goes back to Theo's quote from the preseason about how losing 90 games and having a protected pick is far better than losing 85. I took that to mean that if he had a protected pick, he'd be more willing to spend in free agency. Add that to last year's signings of Jackson and the attempted signing of Sanchez and compare it to the silence this year.
I wonder why they were far more active last year despite being a year further away from contending than they have been this year?
I think Theo said something about how they may have jumped the gun last offseason in FA in terms of when they could compete. He didn't flat-out admit that signing Jackson was a mistake, but you could infer that it was probably a reactionary move to missing on Sanchez. I think all of that has made them a bit tentative this offseason.
Quote from: Eli on January 03, 2014, 10:24:46 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 03, 2014, 10:12:42 AM
The most confusing thing about the Cubs offseason goes back to Theo's quote from the preseason about how losing 90 games and having a protected pick is far better than losing 85. I took that to mean that if he had a protected pick, he'd be more willing to spend in free agency. Add that to last year's signings of Jackson and the attempted signing of Sanchez and compare it to the silence this year.
I wonder why they were far more active last year despite being a year further away from contending than they have been this year?
I think Theo said something about how they may have jumped the gun last offseason in FA in terms of when they could compete. He didn't flat-out admit that signing Jackson was a mistake, but you could infer that it was probably a reactionary move to missing on Sanchez. I think all of that has made them a bit tentative this offseason.
I'll be happy to admit it if we're looking for someone to do so.
Quote from: Slaky on January 03, 2014, 09:47:38 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 03, 2014, 09:41:29 AM
Quote from: Slaky on January 03, 2014, 09:21:31 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 02, 2014, 12:49:04 PM
Ben Badler breaks down the Tanaka sweepstakes (http://www.baseballamerica.com/majors/masahiro-tanaka-sweepstakes-preview-ranking-the-top-10-teams-for-the-japanese-ace/). Has the Cubs ranked 4th.
Seriously the Cubs have no chance. Smart people I like still think if they offer the most money he'll sign. I don't see that happening.
This is how I prepare myself for "Tanaka to Dodgers" because how does that not happen?
I feel like there have been conflicting reports, too. I think it was Sahadev Sharma last week on Twitter who had some stuff from Hoyer, basically repeating that they'll probably only sign a big FA when it's a "one last move" to put them over the top. But I haven't seen those quotes elsewhere, so maybe I'm imagining it.
And I can't shake the feeling that Tanaka is nowhere near a slam dunk as some would have you believe.
baseball is such a nightmare.
I'm still too scarred from the Fukudome dud to care.
Quote from: PANK! on January 03, 2014, 10:28:57 AM
Quote from: Slaky on January 03, 2014, 09:47:38 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 03, 2014, 09:41:29 AM
Quote from: Slaky on January 03, 2014, 09:21:31 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 02, 2014, 12:49:04 PM
Ben Badler breaks down the Tanaka sweepstakes (http://www.baseballamerica.com/majors/masahiro-tanaka-sweepstakes-preview-ranking-the-top-10-teams-for-the-japanese-ace/). Has the Cubs ranked 4th.
Seriously the Cubs have no chance. Smart people I like still think if they offer the most money he'll sign. I don't see that happening.
This is how I prepare myself for "Tanaka to Dodgers" because how does that not happen?
I feel like there have been conflicting reports, too. I think it was Sahadev Sharma last week on Twitter who had some stuff from Hoyer, basically repeating that they'll probably only sign a big FA when it's a "one last move" to put them over the top. But I haven't seen those quotes elsewhere, so maybe I'm imagining it.
And I can't shake the feeling that Tanaka is nowhere near a slam dunk as some would have you believe.
baseball is such a nightmare.
I'm still too scarred from the Fukudome dud to care.
all japs the same
I don't think there's anything constructive to be gained from any GM in any sport's public comments.
Last winter they spent money. This winter they haven't. The Ricketts family is making a fuckton of money off the various MLB contracts, and they have given Jepstink the task of building a winner through drafting and development, which is significantly more cost effective than running out and pissing away money on a guy like Cano, whose ROI will never translate into an actual profit.
Is it going slowly? Sure it is. But fuck it, no other plan has worked for a century, might as well let this one fully gestate.
Quote from: Fork on January 03, 2014, 11:51:52 AM
I don't think there's anything constructive to be gained from any GM in any sport's public comments.
Last winter they spent money. This winter they haven't. The Ricketts family is making a fuckton of money off the various MLB contracts, and they have given Jepstink the task of building a winner through drafting and development, which is significantly more cost effective than running out and pissing away money on a guy like Cano, whose ROI will never translate into an actual profit.
Is it going slowly? Sure it is. But fuck it, no other plan has worked for a century, might as well let this one fully gestate.
I find it curious that you pooh-pooh a GM's public comments in any sport and then, at the end of your remarks, reference the Cubs' new plan, which, of course, was made public because the new President and GM said so in a press conference.
Something something run setting up the pass something.
PS - Your text message about the HDTV deal was funny, by the way...BBW!!!
Quote from: Fork on January 03, 2014, 11:51:52 AM
Last winter they spent money. This winter they haven't. The Ricketts family is making a fuckton of money off the various MLB contracts, and they have given Jepstink the task of building a winner through drafting and development, which is significantly more cost effective than running out and pissing away money on a guy like Cano, whose ROI will never translate into an actual profit.
I do dream that at the end of all this misery we'll be able to celebrate the Cubs' hoisting of the ROI Champions Trophy.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on January 03, 2014, 12:19:32 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 03, 2014, 11:51:52 AM
I don't think there's anything constructive to be gained from any GM in any sport's public comments.
Last winter they spent money. This winter they haven't. The Ricketts family is making a fuckton of money off the various MLB contracts, and they have given Jepstink the task of building a winner through drafting and development, which is significantly more cost effective than running out and pissing away money on a guy like Cano, whose ROI will never translate into an actual profit.
Is it going slowly? Sure it is. But fuck it, no other plan has worked for a century, might as well let this one fully gestate.
I find it curious that you pooh-pooh a GM's public comments in any sport and then, at the end of your remarks, reference the Cubs' new plan, which, of course, was made public because the new President and GM said so in a press conference.
Something something run setting up the pass something.
How is it curious that I find a tangible process that can be tracked to be of more value than words?
Quote from: Eli on January 03, 2014, 12:23:48 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 03, 2014, 11:51:52 AM
Last winter they spent money. This winter they haven't. The Ricketts family is making a fuckton of money off the various MLB contracts, and they have given Jepstink the task of building a winner through drafting and development, which is significantly more cost effective than running out and pissing away money on a guy like Cano, whose ROI will never translate into an actual profit.
I do dream that at the end of all this misery we'll be able to celebrate the Cubs' hoisting of the ROI Champions Trophy.
ROI doesn't mean shit to us. It's simply what the Ricketts family is clearly focused on.
Quote from: Fork on January 03, 2014, 12:55:42 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 03, 2014, 12:23:48 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 03, 2014, 11:51:52 AM
Last winter they spent money. This winter they haven't. The Ricketts family is making a fuckton of money off the various MLB contracts, and they have given Jepstink the task of building a winner through drafting and development, which is significantly more cost effective than running out and pissing away money on a guy like Cano, whose ROI will never translate into an actual profit.
I do dream that at the end of all this misery we'll be able to celebrate the Cubs' hoisting of the ROI Champions Trophy.
ROI doesn't mean shit to us. It's simply what the Ricketts family is clearly focused on.
Dunno about that, at least not 100% of them.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 03, 2014, 01:34:45 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 03, 2014, 12:55:42 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 03, 2014, 12:23:48 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 03, 2014, 11:51:52 AM
Last winter they spent money. This winter they haven't. The Ricketts family is making a fuckton of money off the various MLB contracts, and they have given Jepstink the task of building a winner through drafting and development, which is significantly more cost effective than running out and pissing away money on a guy like Cano, whose ROI will never translate into an actual profit.
I do dream that at the end of all this misery we'll be able to celebrate the Cubs' hoisting of the ROI Champions Trophy.
ROI doesn't mean shit to us. It's simply what the Ricketts family is clearly focused on.
Dunno about that, at least not 100% of them.
Good stuff here. This is some awesome baseball talk.
Quote from: Slaky on January 03, 2014, 01:48:41 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 03, 2014, 01:34:45 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 03, 2014, 12:55:42 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 03, 2014, 12:23:48 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 03, 2014, 11:51:52 AM
Last winter they spent money. This winter they haven't. The Ricketts family is making a fuckton of money off the various MLB contracts, and they have given Jepstink the task of building a winner through drafting and development, which is significantly more cost effective than running out and pissing away money on a guy like Cano, whose ROI will never translate into an actual profit.
I do dream that at the end of all this misery we'll be able to celebrate the Cubs' hoisting of the ROI Champions Trophy.
ROI doesn't mean shit to us. It's simply what the Ricketts family is clearly focused on.
Dunno about that, at least not 100% of them.
Good stuff here. This is some awesome baseball talk.
It's a round bat and a round ball and you have to hit it square.
Quote from: Fork on January 03, 2014, 01:57:36 PM
Quote from: Slaky on January 03, 2014, 01:48:41 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 03, 2014, 01:34:45 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 03, 2014, 12:55:42 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 03, 2014, 12:23:48 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 03, 2014, 11:51:52 AM
Last winter they spent money. This winter they haven't. The Ricketts family is making a fuckton of money off the various MLB contracts, and they have given Jepstink the task of building a winner through drafting and development, which is significantly more cost effective than running out and pissing away money on a guy like Cano, whose ROI will never translate into an actual profit.
I do dream that at the end of all this misery we'll be able to celebrate the Cubs' hoisting of the ROI Champions Trophy.
ROI doesn't mean shit to us. It's simply what the Ricketts family is clearly focused on.
Dunno about that, at least not 100% of them.
Good stuff here. This is some awesome baseball talk.
It's a round bat and a round ball and you have to hit it square.
9 men on 9 men. Pick a guy and guard him.
Quote from: Slaky on January 03, 2014, 01:58:13 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 03, 2014, 01:57:36 PM
Quote from: Slaky on January 03, 2014, 01:48:41 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 03, 2014, 01:34:45 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 03, 2014, 12:55:42 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 03, 2014, 12:23:48 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 03, 2014, 11:51:52 AM
Last winter they spent money. This winter they haven't. The Ricketts family is making a fuckton of money off the various MLB contracts, and they have given Jepstink the task of building a winner through drafting and development, which is significantly more cost effective than running out and pissing away money on a guy like Cano, whose ROI will never translate into an actual profit.
I do dream that at the end of all this misery we'll be able to celebrate the Cubs' hoisting of the ROI Champions Trophy.
ROI doesn't mean shit to us. It's simply what the Ricketts family is clearly focused on.
Dunno about that, at least not 100% of them.
Good stuff here. This is some awesome baseball talk.
It's a round bat and a round ball and you have to hit it square.
9 men on 9 men. Pick a guy and guard him.
First basemen who can OPS around .900 grow on trees.
Quote from: Slaky on January 03, 2014, 01:48:41 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 03, 2014, 01:34:45 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 03, 2014, 12:55:42 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 03, 2014, 12:23:48 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 03, 2014, 11:51:52 AM
Last winter they spent money. This winter they haven't. The Ricketts family is making a fuckton of money off the various MLB contracts, and they have given Jepstink the task of building a winner through drafting and development, which is significantly more cost effective than running out and pissing away money on a guy like Cano, whose ROI will never translate into an actual profit.
I do dream that at the end of all this misery we'll be able to celebrate the Cubs' hoisting of the ROI Champions Trophy.
ROI doesn't mean shit to us. It's simply what the Ricketts family is clearly focused on.
Dunno about that, at least not 100% of them.
Good stuff here. This is some awesome baseball talk.
You do realize that Chuck doesn't actually enjoy watching sports?
Man, this fucking thread.
Get your shit together, guys.
(http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/files/2013/03/BEoJKWuCcAA__xJ.jpg-large-624x445.jpeg)
Paul Blackburn will be fung to watch in Kang County, mang.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 03, 2014, 10:12:42 AM
The most confusing thing about the Cubs offseason goes back to Theo's quote from the preseason about how losing 90 games and having a protected pick is far better than losing 85. I took that to mean that if he had a protected pick, he'd be more willing to spend in free agency. Add that to last year's signings of Jackson and the attempted signing of Sanchez and compare it to the silence this year.
I wonder why they were far more active last year despite being a year further away from contending than they have been this year?
What concerns me is that each major league team is one year closer to contending than they were last year.
Quote from: CBStew on January 03, 2014, 05:20:08 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 03, 2014, 10:12:42 AM
The most confusing thing about the Cubs offseason goes back to Theo's quote from the preseason about how losing 90 games and having a protected pick is far better than losing 85. I took that to mean that if he had a protected pick, he'd be more willing to spend in free agency. Add that to last year's signings of Jackson and the attempted signing of Sanchez and compare it to the silence this year.
I wonder why they were far more active last year despite being a year further away from contending than they have been this year?
What concerns me is that each major league team is one year closer to contending than they were last year.
I don't think, like, the Brewers are. Just an example.
Quote from: @LukeStuckmeyer
Japanese pitcher Masahiro Tanaka will meet with the #Cubs & #WhiteSox this week...likely in Chicago.
Here's hoping he meets Hawk on this trip.
Not-so-distant FUTUREBONER: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/10260042/mlb-five-positive-regression-candidates-2014
Jonah Keri predicts the Cubs will suck less in 2014!
His reasoning:
1. Starlin Castro can't suck this bad right?
2. Anthony Rizzo can't suck this bad right?
3. Darwin Barney can't... I mean... right?
4. Edwin Jackson can't suck this bad right?
"The Cubs likely won't contend for the 2014 NL Central crown, but they could easily win 10 more games than they did in 2013."
HUZZAH! Bitch!
Quote from: InternetApex on January 08, 2014, 10:20:57 AM
Not-so-distant FUTUREBONER: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/10260042/mlb-five-positive-regression-candidates-2014
Jonah Keri predicts the Cubs will suck less in 2014!
His reasoning:
1. Starlin Castro can't suck this bad right?
2. Anthony Rizzo can't suck this bad right?
3. Darwin Barney can't... I mean... right?
4. Edwin Jackson can't suck this bad right?
"The Cubs likely won't contend for the 2014 NL Central crown, but they could easily win 10 more games than they did in 2013."
HUZZAH! Bitch!
I'll have whatever it is he is drinking
url=http://www.minorleagueball.com/2014/1/8/5288446/chicago-cubs-top-20-prospects-for-2014]John Sickels Ranks his Top 20[/url].
1 to 21.
Quote from: Fork on January 08, 2014, 02:01:46 PM
url=http://www.minorleagueball.com/2014/1/8/5288446/chicago-cubs-top-20-prospects-for-2014]John Sickels Ranks his Top 20[/url].
1 to 21.
You're killing it this week.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on January 08, 2014, 02:09:48 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 08, 2014, 02:01:46 PM
John Sickels Ranks his Top 20 (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2014/1/8/5288446/chicago-cubs-top-20-prospects-for-2014).
1 to 21.
You're killing it this week.
Thank God I don't write code for a living.
Quote from: Fork on January 08, 2014, 02:10:39 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on January 08, 2014, 02:09:48 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 08, 2014, 02:01:46 PM
John Sickels Ranks his Top 20 (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2014/1/8/5288446/chicago-cubs-top-20-prospects-for-2014).
1 to 21.
You're killing it this week.
Intrepid Reader: Barack Obama
Thank God I don't write code for a living. (http://youtu.be/w16VDrJZQT8?t=22s)
I'd fix it myself'd.
Quote from: Brownie on January 08, 2014, 06:17:22 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 08, 2014, 02:10:39 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on January 08, 2014, 02:09:48 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 08, 2014, 02:01:46 PM
John Sickels Ranks his Top 20 (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2014/1/8/5288446/chicago-cubs-top-20-prospects-for-2014).
1 to 21.
You're killing it this week.
Intrepid Reader: Barack Obama
Thank God I don't write code for a living. (http://youtu.be/w16VDrJZQT8?t=22s)
I'd fix it myself'd.
Shit, should of used the green font.
Quote from: Fork on January 09, 2014, 02:28:14 PM
Quote from: Brownie on January 08, 2014, 06:17:22 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 08, 2014, 02:10:39 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on January 08, 2014, 02:09:48 PM
Quote from: Fork on January 08, 2014, 02:01:46 PM
John Sickels Ranks his Top 20 (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2014/1/8/5288446/chicago-cubs-top-20-prospects-for-2014).
1 to 21.
You're killing it this week.
Intrepid Reader: Barack Obama
Thank God I don't write code for a living. (http://youtu.be/w16VDrJZQT8?t=22s)
I'd fix it myself'd.
Shit, should of used the green font.
That would of been hilarious.
As Slak referred to, Jason Parks' BP Top 10:
The Top Ten
1.SS Javier Baez
2.3B Kris Bryant
3.CF Albert Almora
4.RF Jorge Soler
5.RHP C.J. Edwards
6.SS Arismendy Alcantara
7.RHP Pierce Johnson
8.1B Dan Vogelbach
9.3B Christian Villanueva
10.3B Jeimer Candelario
Alcantra made the biggest jump from 2012, where he wasn't even on the radar. Plus, Bryant and Edwards joining the organization caused some shifts - Almora went from 1 to 3, not because he got worse but because Bryant and Baez are that fucking good.
Quote from: Fork on January 23, 2014, 10:15:55 AM
As Slak referred to, Jason Parks' BP Top 10:
The Top Ten
1.SS Javier Baez
2.3B Kris Bryant
3.CF Albert Almora
4.RF Jorge Soler
5.RHP C.J. Edwards
6.SS Arismendy Alcantara
7.RHP Pierce Johnson
8.1B Dan Vogelbach
9.3B Christian Villanueva
10.3B Jeimer Candelario
Alcantra made the biggest jump from 2012, where he wasn't even on the radar. Plus, Bryant and Edwards joining the organization caused some shifts - Almora went from 1 to 3, not because he got worse but because Bryant and Baez are that fucking good.
Parks also has Baez extreme comparison to Cabrera - an overweight first basemen who is a dime a dozen. Which isn't good.
Quote from: BH on January 23, 2014, 10:17:43 AM
Quote from: Fork on January 23, 2014, 10:15:55 AM
As Slak referred to, Jason Parks' BP Top 10:
The Top Ten
1.SS Javier Baez
2.3B Kris Bryant
3.CF Albert Almora
4.RF Jorge Soler
5.RHP C.J. Edwards
6.SS Arismendy Alcantara
7.RHP Pierce Johnson
8.1B Dan Vogelbach
9.3B Christian Villanueva
10.3B Jeimer Candelario
Alcantra made the biggest jump from 2012, where he wasn't even on the radar. Plus, Bryant and Edwards joining the organization caused some shifts - Almora went from 1 to 3, not because he got worse but because Bryant and Baez are that fucking good.
Parks also has Baez extreme comparison to Cabrera - an overweight first basemen who is a dime a dozen. Which isn't good.
What's so special about a Cabrera comp? Those guys grow on trees.
Quote from: BH on January 23, 2014, 10:17:43 AM
Quote from: Fork on January 23, 2014, 10:15:55 AM
As Slak referred to, Jason Parks' BP Top 10:
The Top Ten
1.SS Javier Baez
2.3B Kris Bryant
3.CF Albert Almora
4.RF Jorge Soler
5.RHP C.J. Edwards
6.SS Arismendy Alcantara
7.RHP Pierce Johnson
8.1B Dan Vogelbach
9.3B Christian Villanueva
10.3B Jeimer Candelario
Alcantra made the biggest jump from 2012, where he wasn't even on the radar. Plus, Bryant and Edwards joining the organization caused some shifts - Almora went from 1 to 3, not because he got worse but because Bryant and Baez are that fucking good.
Parks also has Baez extreme comparison to Cabrera - an overweight first basemen who is a dime a dozen grows on trees. Which isn't good.
Lance Dickson's Arm'd.
EDIT: LANCE DICKSON'S TREE FACED
I just realized that Baez had 35 extra-base hits in 240 AA plate appearances last year. Good God, man!
Quote from: Fork on January 23, 2014, 10:15:55 AM
As Slak referred to, Jason Parks' BP Top 10:
The Top Ten
1.SS Javier Baez
2.3B Kris Bryant
3.CF Albert Almora
4.RF Jorge Soler
5.RHP C.J. Edwards
6.SS Arismendy Alcantara
7.RHP Pierce Johnson
8.1B Dan Vogelbach
9.3B Christian Villanueva
10.3B Jeimer Candelario
Alcantra made the biggest jump from 2012, where he wasn't even on the radar. Plus, Bryant and Edwards joining the organization caused some shifts - Almora went from 1 to 3, not because he got worse but because Bryant and Baez are that fucking good.
Which of these guys gets traded? Vogelbach has DH written all over him Alcantara has a possible logjam in front of him.
I suppose you could do:
Soler - LF
Bryant - RF
Almora - CF
Baez - 3B
Alcantara - 2B
But if Bryant stays at third, Baez stays at short and Alcantara can move to second, that makes it more and more likely that...
Quote from: InternetApex on January 23, 2014, 10:43:51 AM
I just realized that Baez had 35 extra-base hits in 240 AA plate appearances last year. Good God, man!
Isn't AAA more of a hitters league, too? I think the PCL is like a network of Coors Fields. He's going destroy AAA pitching.
Also RE: Chuck's question - most of the projections have Bryant ending up in right field.
Quote from: Slaky on January 23, 2014, 10:47:55 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 23, 2014, 10:43:51 AM
I just realized that Baez had 35 extra-base hits in 240 AA plate appearances last year. Good God, man!
Isn't AAA more of a hitters league, too? I think the PCL is like a network of Coors Fields. He's going destroy AAA pitching.
Also RE: Chuck's question - most of the projections have Bryant ending up in right field.
I don't think Baez will stay at short. Remember Rizzo's contract is tradeable if they want to stick him there. If Alcantara's worth a shit, he could play short with Castro moving to second. Or maybe somebody puts a quarter in Starlin and Alcantara plays second. Bryant plays third. Soler in right. Almora in center. Some big fat tree of a free agent plays left.
World Series.
Quote from: InternetApex on January 23, 2014, 10:52:01 AM
Quote from: Slaky on January 23, 2014, 10:47:55 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 23, 2014, 10:43:51 AM
I just realized that Baez had 35 extra-base hits in 240 AA plate appearances last year. Good God, man!
Isn't AAA more of a hitters league, too? I think the PCL is like a network of Coors Fields. He's going destroy AAA pitching.
Also RE: Chuck's question - most of the projections have Bryant ending up in right field.
I don't think Baez will stay at short. Remember Rizzo's contract is tradeable if they want to stick him there. If Alcantara's worth a shit, he could play short with Castro moving to second. Or maybe somebody puts a quarter in Starlin and Alcantara plays second. Bryant plays third. Soler in right. Almora in center. Some big fat tree of a free agent plays left.
World Series.
The ideal look would be something like Baez at third, Castro SS, Alcantara 2B, Rizzo 1B, LF Soler, CF Almora, RF Bryant.
Naturally only 1 or 2 of these things will work out in any meaningful way which is why Parks titled his prospect report Prospects Will Break Your Heart.
Quote from: Slaky on January 23, 2014, 11:02:25 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 23, 2014, 10:52:01 AM
Quote from: Slaky on January 23, 2014, 10:47:55 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 23, 2014, 10:43:51 AM
I just realized that Baez had 35 extra-base hits in 240 AA plate appearances last year. Good God, man!
Isn't AAA more of a hitters league, too? I think the PCL is like a network of Coors Fields. He's going destroy AAA pitching.
Also RE: Chuck's question - most of the projections have Bryant ending up in right field.
I don't think Baez will stay at short. Remember Rizzo's contract is tradeable if they want to stick him there. If Alcantara's worth a shit, he could play short with Castro moving to second. Or maybe somebody puts a quarter in Starlin and Alcantara plays second. Bryant plays third. Soler in right. Almora in center. Some big fat tree of a free agent plays left.
World Series.
The ideal look would be something like Baez at third, Castro SS, Alcantara 2B, Rizzo 1B, LF Soler, CF Almora, RF Bryant.
Naturally only 1 or 2 of these things will work out in any meaningful way which is why Parks titled his prospect report Prospects Will Break Your Heart.
SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUF
Quote from: Slaky on January 23, 2014, 11:02:25 AM
The ideal look would be something like Baez at third, Castro SS, Alcantara 2B, Rizzo 1B, LF Soler, CF Almora, RF Bryant.
Naturally only 1 or 2 of these things will work out in any meaningful way which is why Parks titled his prospect report Prospects Will Break Your Heart.
Right on. If two of those guys are All-Star-level and another 2-3 end up as solid regulars, that'd be a great result.
Quote from: Eli on January 23, 2014, 11:21:31 AM
Quote from: Slaky on January 23, 2014, 11:02:25 AM
The ideal look would be something like Baez at third, Castro SS, Alcantara 2B, Rizzo 1B, LF Soler, CF Almora, RF Bryant.
Naturally only 1 or 2 of these things will work out in any meaningful way which is why Parks titled his prospect report Prospects Will Break Your Heart.
Right on. If two of those guys are All-Star-level and another 2-3 end up as solid regulars, that'd be a great result.
Plus, they're just keeping that OF seat warm until Eloy is ready.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 23, 2014, 10:47:00 AM
Quote from: Fork on January 23, 2014, 10:15:55 AM
As Slak referred to, Jason Parks' BP Top 10:
The Top Ten
1.SS Javier Baez
2.3B Kris Bryant
3.CF Albert Almora
4.RF Jorge Soler
5.RHP C.J. Edwards
6.SS Arismendy Alcantara
7.RHP Pierce Johnson
8.1B Dan Vogelbach
9.3B Christian Villanueva
10.3B Jeimer Candelario
Alcantra made the biggest jump from 2012, where he wasn't even on the radar. Plus, Bryant and Edwards joining the organization caused some shifts - Almora went from 1 to 3, not because he got worse but because Bryant and Baez are that fucking good.
Which of these guys gets traded? Vogelbach has DH written all over him Alcantara has a possible logjam in front of him.
I suppose you could do:
Soler - LF
Bryant - RF
Almora - CF
Baez - 3B
Alcantara - 2B
But if Bryant stays at third, Baez stays at short and Alcantara can move to second, that makes it more and more likely that...
Not sure why he listed Alcantra as a SS, he plays 2B.
Actually, I see Bryant forecast more as a LF, Soler has a real nice RF arm.
Quote from: Fork on January 23, 2014, 11:27:05 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 23, 2014, 10:47:00 AM
Quote from: Fork on January 23, 2014, 10:15:55 AM
As Slak referred to, Jason Parks' BP Top 10:
The Top Ten
1.SS Javier Baez
2.3B Kris Bryant
3.CF Albert Almora
4.RF Jorge Soler
5.RHP C.J. Edwards
6.SS Arismendy Alcantara
7.RHP Pierce Johnson
8.1B Dan Vogelbach
9.3B Christian Villanueva
10.3B Jeimer Candelario
Alcantra made the biggest jump from 2012, where he wasn't even on the radar. Plus, Bryant and Edwards joining the organization caused some shifts - Almora went from 1 to 3, not because he got worse but because Bryant and Baez are that fucking good.
Which of these guys gets traded? Vogelbach has DH written all over him Alcantara has a possible logjam in front of him.
I suppose you could do:
Soler - LF
Bryant - RF
Almora - CF
Baez - 3B
Alcantara - 2B
But if Bryant stays at third, Baez stays at short and Alcantara can move to second, that makes it more and more likely that...
Not sure why he listed Alcantra as a SS, he plays 2B.
Actually, I see Bryant forecast more as a LF, Soler has a real nice RF arm.
Alcantara played 66 games at short last year at Tennessee and played nearly all his games there at Daytona the year before. I have no scouting report on his defense. It looks like he moved to second when Baez got promoted last year on his way to 4,192 errors.
Quote from: InternetApex on January 23, 2014, 11:35:03 AM
It looks like he moved to second when Baez got promoted last year on his way to 4,192 errors.
4,192 of the most badass errors you'll ever see.
Quote from: Eli on January 23, 2014, 11:40:05 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 23, 2014, 11:35:03 AM
It looks like he moved to second when Baez got promoted last year on his way to 4,192 errors.
4,192 of the most badass errors you'll ever see.
And I didn't see any of them so they may be just an internet rumor like Masahiro Tanaka.
Quote from: InternetApex on January 23, 2014, 11:41:25 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 23, 2014, 11:40:05 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 23, 2014, 11:35:03 AM
It looks like he moved to second when Baez got promoted last year on his way to 4,192 errors.
4,192 of the most badass errors you'll ever see.
And I didn't see any of them so they may be just an internet rumor like Masahiro Tanaka.
Mostly throwing errors. See what happens once he's throwing to Rizzo.
Quote from: Fork on January 23, 2014, 11:42:40 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 23, 2014, 11:41:25 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 23, 2014, 11:40:05 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 23, 2014, 11:35:03 AM
It looks like he moved to second when Baez got promoted last year on his way to 4,192 errors.
4,192 of the most badass errors you'll ever see.
And I didn't see any of them so they may be just an internet rumor like Masahiro Tanaka.
Mostly throwing errors. See what happens once he's throwing to Rizzo.
He'll be flipping underhand to pitchers covering mostly. Rizzo will be traded for Price.
Alcantara made 50 errors in 130 games at short over the past two seasons, so I guess he's not exactly Hubie Brooks himself.
Quote from: InternetApex on January 23, 2014, 11:44:28 AM
Quote from: Fork on January 23, 2014, 11:42:40 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 23, 2014, 11:41:25 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 23, 2014, 11:40:05 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 23, 2014, 11:35:03 AM
It looks like he moved to second when Baez got promoted last year on his way to 4,192 errors.
4,192 of the most badass errors you'll ever see.
And I didn't see any of them so they may be just an internet rumor like Masahiro Tanaka.
Mostly throwing errors. See what happens once he's throwing to Rizzo.
He'll be flipping underhand to pitchers covering mostly. Rizzo will be traded for Price.
No, Chuck
Next man up? (http://js.mlblogs.com/2014/01/24/cuban-catcher-bello-cleared-by-ofac-ready-to-sign/)
Quote
There's a new player on the market.
Cuban catching prospect Yenier Bello has cleared by the United States Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) and can now enter into an agreement with a Major League team, according to an industry source.
Several teams, including the Dodgers, Cubs, and Blue Jays have been linked to the catcher. He is expected to sign before the start of Spring Training.
Bello, 28, who is represented by Bryce Dixon of the Primo Sports Group, left Cuba for Ecuador early in 2013 and later established residency in Mexico. He was declared a free agent by Major League Baseball late last year but was unable to enter a contract with a Major League club until he was cleared by OFAC earlier this week.
The right-handed batter hit .274 with 13 home runs in Cuba's La Serie Nacional, the country's top amateur league, in 2011. He hit 75 home runs and drove in 297 runs in his last five seasons in Cuba, primarily with Sancti SpÃritus.
Harder to get excited about a 28-year old catcher, but given the Cubs valuing of international prospects lately, hard to discount them as a serious player here.
Quote from: PenFoe on January 24, 2014, 10:44:28 AM
Next man up? (http://js.mlblogs.com/2014/01/24/cuban-catcher-bello-cleared-by-ofac-ready-to-sign/)
Quote
There's a new player on the market.
Cuban catching prospect Yenier Bello has cleared by the United States Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) and can now enter into an agreement with a Major League team, according to an industry source.
Several teams, including the Dodgers, Cubs, and Blue Jays have been linked to the catcher. He is expected to sign before the start of Spring Training.
Bello, 28, who is represented by Bryce Dixon of the Primo Sports Group, left Cuba for Ecuador early in 2013 and later established residency in Mexico. He was declared a free agent by Major League Baseball late last year but was unable to enter a contract with a Major League club until he was cleared by OFAC earlier this week.
The right-handed batter hit .274 with 13 home runs in Cuba's La Serie Nacional, the country's top amateur league, in 2011. He hit 75 home runs and drove in 297 runs in his last five seasons in Cuba, primarily with Sancti SpÃritus.
Harder to get excited about a 28-year old catcher, but given the Cubs valuing of international prospects lately, hard to discount them as a serious player here.
.274? pass
Quote from: PenFoe on January 24, 2014, 10:44:28 AM
Next man up? (http://js.mlblogs.com/2014/01/24/cuban-catcher-bello-cleared-by-ofac-ready-to-sign/)
Quote
There's a new player on the market.
Cuban catching prospect Yenier Bello has cleared by the United States Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) and can now enter into an agreement with a Major League team, according to an industry source.
Several teams, including the Dodgers, Cubs, and Blue Jays have been linked to the catcher. He is expected to sign before the start of Spring Training.
Bello, 28, who is represented by Bryce Dixon of the Primo Sports Group, left Cuba for Ecuador early in 2013 and later established residency in Mexico. He was declared a free agent by Major League Baseball late last year but was unable to enter a contract with a Major League club until he was cleared by OFAC earlier this week.
The right-handed batter hit .274 with 13 home runs in Cuba's La Serie Nacional, the country's top amateur league, in 2011. He hit 75 home runs and drove in 297 runs in his last five seasons in Cuba, primarily with Sancti SpÃritus.
Harder to get excited about a 28-year old catcher, but given the Cubs valuing of international prospects lately, hard to discount them as a serious player here.
The chatter seems to be focused on the cubs flipping one of those mid-top 10 prospects and maybe another for a starter as opposed to signing an old dude off the heap.
I'm glad this isn't my job. Everyone thinks the cubs should DO SOMETHING but all of the options are horrible.
Quote from: Slaky on January 24, 2014, 11:05:48 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 24, 2014, 10:44:28 AM
Next man up? (http://js.mlblogs.com/2014/01/24/cuban-catcher-bello-cleared-by-ofac-ready-to-sign/)
Quote
There's a new player on the market.
Cuban catching prospect Yenier Bello has cleared by the United States Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) and can now enter into an agreement with a Major League team, according to an industry source.
Several teams, including the Dodgers, Cubs, and Blue Jays have been linked to the catcher. He is expected to sign before the start of Spring Training.
Bello, 28, who is represented by Bryce Dixon of the Primo Sports Group, left Cuba for Ecuador early in 2013 and later established residency in Mexico. He was declared a free agent by Major League Baseball late last year but was unable to enter a contract with a Major League club until he was cleared by OFAC earlier this week.
The right-handed batter hit .274 with 13 home runs in Cuba's La Serie Nacional, the country's top amateur league, in 2011. He hit 75 home runs and drove in 297 runs in his last five seasons in Cuba, primarily with Sancti SpÃritus.
Harder to get excited about a 28-year old catcher, but given the Cubs valuing of international prospects lately, hard to discount them as a serious player here.
The chatter seems to be focused on the cubs flipping one of those mid-top 10 prospects and maybe another for a starter as opposed to signing an old dude off the heap.
I'm glad this isn't my job. Everyone thinks the cubs should DO SOMETHING but all of the options are horrible.
DO SOMETHING is my most favoritest battle cry ever. Because constant, brainless activity is the sure sign of a winning organization. Sharks don't sleep man*
*may not be true
Quote from: CT III on January 24, 2014, 12:03:03 PM
Quote from: Slaky on January 24, 2014, 11:05:48 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 24, 2014, 10:44:28 AM
Next man up? (http://js.mlblogs.com/2014/01/24/cuban-catcher-bello-cleared-by-ofac-ready-to-sign/)
Quote
There's a new player on the market.
Cuban catching prospect Yenier Bello has cleared by the United States Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) and can now enter into an agreement with a Major League team, according to an industry source.
Several teams, including the Dodgers, Cubs, and Blue Jays have been linked to the catcher. He is expected to sign before the start of Spring Training.
Bello, 28, who is represented by Bryce Dixon of the Primo Sports Group, left Cuba for Ecuador early in 2013 and later established residency in Mexico. He was declared a free agent by Major League Baseball late last year but was unable to enter a contract with a Major League club until he was cleared by OFAC earlier this week.
The right-handed batter hit .274 with 13 home runs in Cuba's La Serie Nacional, the country's top amateur league, in 2011. He hit 75 home runs and drove in 297 runs in his last five seasons in Cuba, primarily with Sancti SpÃritus.
Harder to get excited about a 28-year old catcher, but given the Cubs valuing of international prospects lately, hard to discount them as a serious player here.
The chatter seems to be focused on the cubs flipping one of those mid-top 10 prospects and maybe another for a starter as opposed to signing an old dude off the heap.
I'm glad this isn't my job. Everyone thinks the cubs should DO SOMETHING but all of the options are horrible.
DO SOMETHING is my most favoritest battle cry ever. Because constant, brainless activity is the sure sign of a winning organization. Sharks don't sleep man*
*may not be true
Even over FIRE EVERYBODY?
Quote from: PenFoe on January 24, 2014, 12:30:38 PM
Quote from: CT III on January 24, 2014, 12:03:03 PM
Quote from: Slaky on January 24, 2014, 11:05:48 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 24, 2014, 10:44:28 AM
Next man up? (http://js.mlblogs.com/2014/01/24/cuban-catcher-bello-cleared-by-ofac-ready-to-sign/)
Quote
There's a new player on the market.
Cuban catching prospect Yenier Bello has cleared by the United States Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) and can now enter into an agreement with a Major League team, according to an industry source.
Several teams, including the Dodgers, Cubs, and Blue Jays have been linked to the catcher. He is expected to sign before the start of Spring Training.
Bello, 28, who is represented by Bryce Dixon of the Primo Sports Group, left Cuba for Ecuador early in 2013 and later established residency in Mexico. He was declared a free agent by Major League Baseball late last year but was unable to enter a contract with a Major League club until he was cleared by OFAC earlier this week.
The right-handed batter hit .274 with 13 home runs in Cuba's La Serie Nacional, the country's top amateur league, in 2011. He hit 75 home runs and drove in 297 runs in his last five seasons in Cuba, primarily with Sancti SpÃritus.
Harder to get excited about a 28-year old catcher, but given the Cubs valuing of international prospects lately, hard to discount them as a serious player here.
The chatter seems to be focused on the cubs flipping one of those mid-top 10 prospects and maybe another for a starter as opposed to signing an old dude off the heap.
I'm glad this isn't my job. Everyone thinks the cubs should DO SOMETHING but all of the options are horrible.
DO SOMETHING is my most favoritest battle cry ever. Because constant, brainless activity is the sure sign of a winning organization. Sharks don't sleep man*
*may not be true
Even over FIRE EVERYBODY?
TRADE EVERYONE is my personal favorite.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on January 24, 2014, 12:37:21 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 24, 2014, 12:30:38 PM
Quote from: CT III on January 24, 2014, 12:03:03 PM
Quote from: Slaky on January 24, 2014, 11:05:48 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 24, 2014, 10:44:28 AM
Next man up? (http://js.mlblogs.com/2014/01/24/cuban-catcher-bello-cleared-by-ofac-ready-to-sign/)
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There's a new player on the market.
Cuban catching prospect Yenier Bello has cleared by the United States Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) and can now enter into an agreement with a Major League team, according to an industry source.
Several teams, including the Dodgers, Cubs, and Blue Jays have been linked to the catcher. He is expected to sign before the start of Spring Training.
Bello, 28, who is represented by Bryce Dixon of the Primo Sports Group, left Cuba for Ecuador early in 2013 and later established residency in Mexico. He was declared a free agent by Major League Baseball late last year but was unable to enter a contract with a Major League club until he was cleared by OFAC earlier this week.
The right-handed batter hit .274 with 13 home runs in Cuba's La Serie Nacional, the country's top amateur league, in 2011. He hit 75 home runs and drove in 297 runs in his last five seasons in Cuba, primarily with Sancti SpÃritus.
Harder to get excited about a 28-year old catcher, but given the Cubs valuing of international prospects lately, hard to discount them as a serious player here.
The chatter seems to be focused on the cubs flipping one of those mid-top 10 prospects and maybe another for a starter as opposed to signing an old dude off the heap.
I'm glad this isn't my job. Everyone thinks the cubs should DO SOMETHING but all of the options are horrible.
DO SOMETHING is my most favoritest battle cry ever. Because constant, brainless activity is the sure sign of a winning organization. Sharks don't sleep man*
*may not be true
Even over FIRE EVERYBODY?
TRADE EVERYONE is my personal favorite.
I'm a bit partial to GET MONEY FUCK BITCHES myself.
Quote from: InternetApex on January 24, 2014, 02:28:36 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on January 24, 2014, 12:37:21 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 24, 2014, 12:30:38 PM
Quote from: CT III on January 24, 2014, 12:03:03 PM
Quote from: Slaky on January 24, 2014, 11:05:48 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 24, 2014, 10:44:28 AM
Next man up? (http://js.mlblogs.com/2014/01/24/cuban-catcher-bello-cleared-by-ofac-ready-to-sign/)
Quote
There's a new player on the market.
Cuban catching prospect Yenier Bello has cleared by the United States Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) and can now enter into an agreement with a Major League team, according to an industry source.
Several teams, including the Dodgers, Cubs, and Blue Jays have been linked to the catcher. He is expected to sign before the start of Spring Training.
Bello, 28, who is represented by Bryce Dixon of the Primo Sports Group, left Cuba for Ecuador early in 2013 and later established residency in Mexico. He was declared a free agent by Major League Baseball late last year but was unable to enter a contract with a Major League club until he was cleared by OFAC earlier this week.
The right-handed batter hit .274 with 13 home runs in Cuba's La Serie Nacional, the country's top amateur league, in 2011. He hit 75 home runs and drove in 297 runs in his last five seasons in Cuba, primarily with Sancti SpÃritus.
Harder to get excited about a 28-year old catcher, but given the Cubs valuing of international prospects lately, hard to discount them as a serious player here.
The chatter seems to be focused on the cubs flipping one of those mid-top 10 prospects and maybe another for a starter as opposed to signing an old dude off the heap.
I'm glad this isn't my job. Everyone thinks the cubs should DO SOMETHING but all of the options are horrible.
DO SOMETHING is my most favoritest battle cry ever. Because constant, brainless activity is the sure sign of a winning organization. Sharks don't sleep man*
*may not be true
Even over FIRE EVERYBODY?
TRADE EVERYONE is my personal favorite.
I'm a bit partial to GET MONEY FUCK BITCHES myself.
FIREBARN THE WHOLE DAMN TEAM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 24, 2014, 02:28:36 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on January 24, 2014, 12:37:21 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 24, 2014, 12:30:38 PM
Quote from: CT III on January 24, 2014, 12:03:03 PM
Quote from: Slaky on January 24, 2014, 11:05:48 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 24, 2014, 10:44:28 AM
Next man up? (http://js.mlblogs.com/2014/01/24/cuban-catcher-bello-cleared-by-ofac-ready-to-sign/)
Quote
There's a new player on the market.
Cuban catching prospect Yenier Bello has cleared by the United States Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) and can now enter into an agreement with a Major League team, according to an industry source.
Several teams, including the Dodgers, Cubs, and Blue Jays have been linked to the catcher. He is expected to sign before the start of Spring Training.
Bello, 28, who is represented by Bryce Dixon of the Primo Sports Group, left Cuba for Ecuador early in 2013 and later established residency in Mexico. He was declared a free agent by Major League Baseball late last year but was unable to enter a contract with a Major League club until he was cleared by OFAC earlier this week.
The right-handed batter hit .274 with 13 home runs in Cuba's La Serie Nacional, the country's top amateur league, in 2011. He hit 75 home runs and drove in 297 runs in his last five seasons in Cuba, primarily with Sancti SpÃritus.
Harder to get excited about a 28-year old catcher, but given the Cubs valuing of international prospects lately, hard to discount them as a serious player here.
The chatter seems to be focused on the cubs flipping one of those mid-top 10 prospects and maybe another for a starter as opposed to signing an old dude off the heap.
I'm glad this isn't my job. Everyone thinks the cubs should DO SOMETHING but all of the options are horrible.
DO SOMETHING is my most favoritest battle cry ever. Because constant, brainless activity is the sure sign of a winning organization. Sharks don't sleep man*
*may not be true
Even over FIRE EVERYBODY?
TRADE EVERYONE is my personal favorite.
I'm a bit partial to GET MONEY FUCK BITCHES myself.
(http://www.walkoffwalk.com/disregard-females-acquire-currency.jpg)
Suk-Min Yoon, Korean for Bonertime. (http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=baseball&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=380&article_id=0000000459)
(http://dy.snimg.com/story-image/0/0/195912/195912-310-253.jpg)
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"걱정하지 마라. 윤석민은 메이저리그 진출을 눈앞에 두고 있다. 이번 주말이나 다음 주 초가 되면 오랫동안 기다리던 계약 발표를 할 수 있을 것이다."
윤석민의 메이저리그행을 돕고 있는 에이전트 보라스 코퍼레이션의 한 관계자는 28일 기자와의 전화통화에서 윤석민의 메이저리그 진출을 장담했고, 계약과 관련해 곧 발표를 하게 될 것이라고 밝혔다.
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Naver Sports in Korea reports that right-hander Suk-Min Yoon is in negotiations with two major league teams and could sign with one of them soon.
The 27-year-old has received four offers but has narrowed the field to two. It's not clear which two clubs they are, but the Cubs, Twins and Red Sox have all been connected to Yoon. The right-hander could potentially be used as a back-end starter or reliever in the big leagues.
Quote from: PenFoe on January 28, 2014, 06:18:28 PM
Suk-Min Yoon, Korean for Bonertime. (http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=baseball&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=380&article_id=0000000459)
(http://dy.snimg.com/story-image/0/0/195912/195912-310-253.jpg)
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"걱정하지 마라. 윤석민은 메이저리그 진출을 눈앞에 두고 있다. 이번 주말이나 다음 주 초가 되면 오랫동안 기다리던 계약 발표를 할 수 있을 것이다."
윤석민의 메이저리그행을 돕고 있는 에이전트 보라스 코퍼레이션의 한 관계자는 28일 기자와의 전화통화에서 윤석민의 메이저리그 진출을 장담했고, 계약과 관련해 곧 발표를 하게 될 것이라고 밝혔다.
Quote from: Rotoworld Translation
Naver Sports in Korea reports that right-hander Suk-Min Yoon is in negotiations with two major league teams and could sign with one of them soon.
The 27-year-old has received four offers but has narrowed the field to two. It's not clear which two clubs they are, but the Cubs, Twins and Red Sox have all been connected to Yoon. The right-hander could potentially be used as a back-end starter or reliever in the big leagues.
YOU SUK
Quote from: Slaky on January 28, 2014, 08:58:35 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 28, 2014, 06:18:28 PM
Suk-Min Yoon, Korean for Bonertime. (http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=baseball&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=380&article_id=0000000459)
(http://dy.snimg.com/story-image/0/0/195912/195912-310-253.jpg)
Quote
"걱정하지 마라. 윤석민은 메이저리그 진출을 눈앞에 두고 있다. 이번 주말이나 다음 주 초가 되면 오랫동안 기다리던 계약 발표를 할 수 있을 것이다."
윤석민의 메이저리그행을 돕고 있는 에이전트 보라스 코퍼레이션의 한 관계자는 28일 기자와의 전화통화에서 윤석민의 메이저리그 진출을 장담했고, 계약과 관련해 곧 발표를 하게 될 것이라고 밝혔다.
Quote from: Rotoworld Translation
Naver Sports in Korea reports that right-hander Suk-Min Yoon is in negotiations with two major league teams and could sign with one of them soon.
The 27-year-old has received four offers but has narrowed the field to two. It's not clear which two clubs they are, but the Cubs, Twins and Red Sox have all been connected to Yoon. The right-hander could potentially be used as a back-end starter or reliever in the big leagues.
YOU SUK
SUK IT!!!
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-gSJm7q_GARk/T2FqH8LFUgI/AAAAAAAADAc/6gWNRImZJFM/s1600/suk.jpg)
Quote from: Slaky on January 23, 2014, 11:02:25 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 23, 2014, 10:52:01 AM
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I just realized that Baez had 35 extra-base hits in 240 AA plate appearances last year. Good God, man!
Isn't AAA more of a hitters league, too? I think the PCL is like a network of Coors Fields. He's going destroy AAA pitching.
Also RE: Chuck's question - most of the projections have Bryant ending up in right field.
I don't think Baez will stay at short. Remember Rizzo's contract is tradeable if they want to stick him there. If Alcantara's worth a shit, he could play short with Castro moving to second. Or maybe somebody puts a quarter in Starlin and Alcantara plays second. Bryant plays third. Soler in right. Almora in center. Some big fat tree of a free agent plays left.
World Series.
The ideal look would be something like Baez at third, Castro SS, Alcantara 2B, Rizzo 1B, LF Soler, CF Almora, RF Bryant.
Naturally only 1 or 2 of these things will work out in any meaningful way which is why Parks titled his prospect report Prospects Will Break Your Heart.
Parks also said somewhere (Twitter?) That MIKE OLT! is a wild-card. If his vision is back to normal, and he's not bailing out on inside pitches, third base gets a lot more interesting.
Quote from: Fork on January 29, 2014, 01:05:59 PM
Quote from: Slaky on January 23, 2014, 11:02:25 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 23, 2014, 10:52:01 AM
Quote from: Slaky on January 23, 2014, 10:47:55 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 23, 2014, 10:43:51 AM
I just realized that Baez had 35 extra-base hits in 240 AA plate appearances last year. Good God, man!
Isn't AAA more of a hitters league, too? I think the PCL is like a network of Coors Fields. He's going destroy AAA pitching.
Also RE: Chuck's question - most of the projections have Bryant ending up in right field.
I don't think Baez will stay at short. Remember Rizzo's contract is tradeable if they want to stick him there. If Alcantara's worth a shit, he could play short with Castro moving to second. Or maybe somebody puts a quarter in Starlin and Alcantara plays second. Bryant plays third. Soler in right. Almora in center. Some big fat tree of a free agent plays left.
World Series.
The ideal look would be something like Baez at third, Castro SS, Alcantara 2B, Rizzo 1B, LF Soler, CF Almora, RF Bryant.
Naturally only 1 or 2 of these things will work out in any meaningful way which is why Parks titled his prospect report Prospects Will Break Your Heart.
Parks also said somewhere (Twitter?) That MIKE OLT! is a wild-card. If his vision is back to normal, and he's not bailing out on inside pitches, third base gets a lot more interesting.
(http://cdn-media.hollywood.com/images/l/richardharrowgab.jpg)
I'm not going to stop doing this until he gives me my first FUTUREBONER.
Now that the Cougars have release their schedule (http://www.milb.com/documents/2/8/0/63256280/2014_Schedule_jeon253o.pdf), any interest in a group buy? They've actually got a nice picnic area there - very kid-friendly.
Quote from: Fork on February 10, 2014, 03:42:06 PM
Now that the Cougars have release their schedule (http://www.milb.com/documents/2/8/0/63256280/2014_Schedule_jeon253o.pdf), any interest in a group buy? They've actually got a nice picnic area there - very kid-friendly.
Intrepid Reader: Yeti*boing*
Quote from: Fork on February 10, 2014, 03:42:06 PM
Now that the Cougars have release their schedule (http://www.milb.com/documents/2/8/0/63256280/2014_Schedule_jeon253o.pdf), any interest in a group buy? They've actually got a nice picnic area there - very kid-friendly.
You have no idea how much I wish we could do this.
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 04:01:05 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 10, 2014, 03:42:06 PM
Now that the Cougars have release their schedule (http://www.milb.com/documents/2/8/0/63256280/2014_Schedule_jeon253o.pdf), any interest in a group buy? They've actually got a nice picnic area there - very kid-friendly.
Intrepid Reader: Yeti
*boing*
In actuality, my bff and I have talked about Kane County as a slight possibility for one part of my bachelor party. But, IIRC, they don't have an all-inclusive section
Quote from: Yeti on February 11, 2014, 06:46:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 04:01:05 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 10, 2014, 03:42:06 PM
Now that the Cougars have release their schedule (http://www.milb.com/documents/2/8/0/63256280/2014_Schedule_jeon253o.pdf), any interest in a group buy? They've actually got a nice picnic area there - very kid-friendly.
Intrepid Reader: Yeti
*boing*
In actuality, my bff and I have talked about Kane County as a slight possibility for one part of my bachelor party. But, IIRC, they don't have an all-inclusive section
A group of you and your overserved hilljackians is all that needs to happen for Kane County to lose their team.
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 06:50:04 AM
Quote from: Yeti on February 11, 2014, 06:46:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 04:01:05 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 10, 2014, 03:42:06 PM
Now that the Cougars have release their schedule (http://www.milb.com/documents/2/8/0/63256280/2014_Schedule_jeon253o.pdf), any interest in a group buy? They've actually got a nice picnic area there - very kid-friendly.
Intrepid Reader: Yeti
*boing*
In actuality, my bff and I have talked about Kane County as a slight possibility for one part of my bachelor party. But, IIRC, they don't have an all-inclusive section
A group of you and your overserved hilljackians is all that needs to happen for Kane County to lose their team.
Is Kane County relatively hilljack free? I highly doubt Yeti and his ilk would make a dent.
Quote from: InternetApex on February 11, 2014, 12:13:45 PM
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 06:50:04 AM
Quote from: Yeti on February 11, 2014, 06:46:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 04:01:05 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 10, 2014, 03:42:06 PM
Now that the Cougars have release their schedule (http://www.milb.com/documents/2/8/0/63256280/2014_Schedule_jeon253o.pdf), any interest in a group buy? They've actually got a nice picnic area there - very kid-friendly.
Intrepid Reader: Yeti
*boing*
In actuality, my bff and I have talked about Kane County as a slight possibility for one part of my bachelor party. But, IIRC, they don't have an all-inclusive section
A group of you and your overserved hilljackians is all that needs to happen for Kane County to lose their team.
Is Kane County relatively hilljack free? I highly doubt Yeti and his ilk would make a dent.
Geneva Illinois is a hotbed of urbane sophistication.
Quote from: Fork on February 11, 2014, 12:43:25 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on February 11, 2014, 12:13:45 PM
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 06:50:04 AM
Quote from: Yeti on February 11, 2014, 06:46:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 04:01:05 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 10, 2014, 03:42:06 PM
Now that the Cougars have release their schedule (http://www.milb.com/documents/2/8/0/63256280/2014_Schedule_jeon253o.pdf), any interest in a group buy? They've actually got a nice picnic area there - very kid-friendly.
Intrepid Reader: Yeti
*boing*
In actuality, my bff and I have talked about Kane County as a slight possibility for one part of my bachelor party. But, IIRC, they don't have an all-inclusive section
A group of you and your overserved hilljackians is all that needs to happen for Kane County to lose their team.
Is Kane County relatively hilljack free? I highly doubt Yeti and his ilk would make a dent.
Geneva Illinois is a hotbed of urbane sophistication.
There's a good thai joint in geneva. thanks for reading.
Quote from: InternetApex on February 11, 2014, 12:13:45 PM
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 06:50:04 AM
Quote from: Yeti on February 11, 2014, 06:46:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 04:01:05 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 10, 2014, 03:42:06 PM
Now that the Cougars have release their schedule (http://www.milb.com/documents/2/8/0/63256280/2014_Schedule_jeon253o.pdf), any interest in a group buy? They've actually got a nice picnic area there - very kid-friendly.
Intrepid Reader: Yeti
*boing*
In actuality, my bff and I have talked about Kane County as a slight possibility for one part of my bachelor party. But, IIRC, they don't have an all-inclusive section
A group of you and your overserved hilljackians is all that needs to happen for Kane County to lose their team.
Is Kane County relatively hilljack free? I highly doubt Yeti and his ilk would make a dent.
Eastern Kane County is sort of the last outpost on the hilljack frontier. Geneva, Batavia, St. Charles and Aurora aren't much different than any other Chicago suburbs.
Western Kane County is basically Iowa.
Quote from: CT III on February 11, 2014, 12:50:31 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on February 11, 2014, 12:13:45 PM
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 06:50:04 AM
Quote from: Yeti on February 11, 2014, 06:46:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 04:01:05 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 10, 2014, 03:42:06 PM
Now that the Cougars have release their schedule (http://www.milb.com/documents/2/8/0/63256280/2014_Schedule_jeon253o.pdf), any interest in a group buy? They've actually got a nice picnic area there - very kid-friendly.
Intrepid Reader: Yeti
*boing*
In actuality, my bff and I have talked about Kane County as a slight possibility for one part of my bachelor party. But, IIRC, they don't have an all-inclusive section
A group of you and your overserved hilljackians is all that needs to happen for Kane County to lose their team.
Is Kane County relatively hilljack free? I highly doubt Yeti and his ilk would make a dent.
Eastern Kane County is sort of the last outpost on the hilljack frontier. Geneva, Batavia, St. Charles and Aurora aren't much different than any other Chicago suburbs.
Western Kane County is basically Iowa.
Don't forget Elburn!
Quote from: Slaky on February 11, 2014, 01:00:22 PM
Quote from: CT III on February 11, 2014, 12:50:31 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on February 11, 2014, 12:13:45 PM
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 06:50:04 AM
Quote from: Yeti on February 11, 2014, 06:46:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 04:01:05 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 10, 2014, 03:42:06 PM
Now that the Cougars have release their schedule (http://www.milb.com/documents/2/8/0/63256280/2014_Schedule_jeon253o.pdf), any interest in a group buy? They've actually got a nice picnic area there - very kid-friendly.
Intrepid Reader: Yeti
*boing*
In actuality, my bff and I have talked about Kane County as a slight possibility for one part of my bachelor party. But, IIRC, they don't have an all-inclusive section
A group of you and your overserved hilljackians is all that needs to happen for Kane County to lose their team.
Is Kane County relatively hilljack free? I highly doubt Yeti and his ilk would make a dent.
Eastern Kane County is sort of the last outpost on the hilljack frontier. Geneva, Batavia, St. Charles and Aurora aren't much different than any other Chicago suburbs.
Western Kane County is basically Iowa.
Don't forget Elburn!
I didn't.
Quote from: CT III on February 11, 2014, 01:01:42 PM
Quote from: Slaky on February 11, 2014, 01:00:22 PM
Quote from: CT III on February 11, 2014, 12:50:31 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on February 11, 2014, 12:13:45 PM
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 06:50:04 AM
Quote from: Yeti on February 11, 2014, 06:46:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 04:01:05 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 10, 2014, 03:42:06 PM
Now that the Cougars have release their schedule (http://www.milb.com/documents/2/8/0/63256280/2014_Schedule_jeon253o.pdf), any interest in a group buy? They've actually got a nice picnic area there - very kid-friendly.
Intrepid Reader: Yeti
*boing*
In actuality, my bff and I have talked about Kane County as a slight possibility for one part of my bachelor party. But, IIRC, they don't have an all-inclusive section
A group of you and your overserved hilljackians is all that needs to happen for Kane County to lose their team.
Is Kane County relatively hilljack free? I highly doubt Yeti and his ilk would make a dent.
Eastern Kane County is sort of the last outpost on the hilljack frontier. Geneva, Batavia, St. Charles and Aurora aren't much different than any other Chicago suburbs.
Western Kane County is basically Iowa.
Don't forget Elburn!
I didn't.
You should (I was lying, earlier)
Quote from: CT III on February 11, 2014, 12:50:31 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on February 11, 2014, 12:13:45 PM
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 06:50:04 AM
Quote from: Yeti on February 11, 2014, 06:46:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 04:01:05 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 10, 2014, 03:42:06 PM
Now that the Cougars have release their schedule (http://www.milb.com/documents/2/8/0/63256280/2014_Schedule_jeon253o.pdf), any interest in a group buy? They've actually got a nice picnic area there - very kid-friendly.
Intrepid Reader: Yeti
*boing*
In actuality, my bff and I have talked about Kane County as a slight possibility for one part of my bachelor party. But, IIRC, they don't have an all-inclusive section
A group of you and your overserved hilljackians is all that needs to happen for Kane County to lose their team.
Is Kane County relatively hilljack free? I highly doubt Yeti and his ilk would make a dent.
Eastern Kane County is sort of the last outpost on the hilljack frontier. Geneva, Batavia, St. Charles and Aurora aren't much different than any other Chicago suburbs.
Western Kane County is basically Iowa.
It's full of nice people and an ok place to live?
Quote from: ChuckD on February 11, 2014, 01:07:25 PM
Quote from: CT III on February 11, 2014, 12:50:31 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on February 11, 2014, 12:13:45 PM
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 06:50:04 AM
Quote from: Yeti on February 11, 2014, 06:46:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 04:01:05 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 10, 2014, 03:42:06 PM
Now that the Cougars have release their schedule (http://www.milb.com/documents/2/8/0/63256280/2014_Schedule_jeon253o.pdf), any interest in a group buy? They've actually got a nice picnic area there - very kid-friendly.
Intrepid Reader: Yeti
*boing*
In actuality, my bff and I have talked about Kane County as a slight possibility for one part of my bachelor party. But, IIRC, they don't have an all-inclusive section
A group of you and your overserved hilljackians is all that needs to happen for Kane County to lose their team.
Is Kane County relatively hilljack free? I highly doubt Yeti and his ilk would make a dent.
Eastern Kane County is sort of the last outpost on the hilljack frontier. Geneva, Batavia, St. Charles and Aurora aren't much different than any other Chicago suburbs.
Western Kane County is basically Iowa.
It's full of nice people and an ok place to live?
Yes, albeit still lagging behind the rest of us in the field of belt technology.
Quote from: CT III on February 11, 2014, 01:09:44 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on February 11, 2014, 01:07:25 PM
Quote from: CT III on February 11, 2014, 12:50:31 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on February 11, 2014, 12:13:45 PM
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 06:50:04 AM
Quote from: Yeti on February 11, 2014, 06:46:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 04:01:05 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 10, 2014, 03:42:06 PM
Now that the Cougars have release their schedule (http://www.milb.com/documents/2/8/0/63256280/2014_Schedule_jeon253o.pdf), any interest in a group buy? They've actually got a nice picnic area there - very kid-friendly.
Intrepid Reader: Yeti
*boing*
In actuality, my bff and I have talked about Kane County as a slight possibility for one part of my bachelor party. But, IIRC, they don't have an all-inclusive section
A group of you and your overserved hilljackians is all that needs to happen for Kane County to lose their team.
Is Kane County relatively hilljack free? I highly doubt Yeti and his ilk would make a dent.
Eastern Kane County is sort of the last outpost on the hilljack frontier. Geneva, Batavia, St. Charles and Aurora aren't much different than any other Chicago suburbs.
Western Kane County is basically Iowa.
It's full of nice people and an ok place to live?
Yes, albeit still lagging behind the rest of us in the field of belt technology.
Chuck D must curse me every day for the shame I've caused his homeland as a transplanted Iowan.
Quote from: CT III on February 11, 2014, 12:50:31 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on February 11, 2014, 12:13:45 PM
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 06:50:04 AM
Quote from: Yeti on February 11, 2014, 06:46:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 04:01:05 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 10, 2014, 03:42:06 PM
Now that the Cougars have release their schedule (http://www.milb.com/documents/2/8/0/63256280/2014_Schedule_jeon253o.pdf), any interest in a group buy? They've actually got a nice picnic area there - very kid-friendly.
Intrepid Reader: Yeti
*boing*
In actuality, my bff and I have talked about Kane County as a slight possibility for one part of my bachelor party. But, IIRC, they don't have an all-inclusive section
A group of you and your overserved hilljackians is all that needs to happen for Kane County to lose their team.
Is Kane County relatively hilljack free? I highly doubt Yeti and his ilk would make a dent.
Eastern Kane County is sort of the last outpost on the hilljack frontier. Geneva, Batavia, St. Charles and Aurora aren't much different than any other Chicago suburbs.
Western Kane County is basically Iowa.
So basically loaded with hilljacks?
Quote from: InternetApex on February 11, 2014, 01:27:54 PM
Quote from: CT III on February 11, 2014, 12:50:31 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on February 11, 2014, 12:13:45 PM
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 06:50:04 AM
Quote from: Yeti on February 11, 2014, 06:46:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 04:01:05 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 10, 2014, 03:42:06 PM
Now that the Cougars have release their schedule (http://www.milb.com/documents/2/8/0/63256280/2014_Schedule_jeon253o.pdf), any interest in a group buy? They've actually got a nice picnic area there - very kid-friendly.
Intrepid Reader: Yeti
*boing*
In actuality, my bff and I have talked about Kane County as a slight possibility for one part of my bachelor party. But, IIRC, they don't have an all-inclusive section
A group of you and your overserved hilljackians is all that needs to happen for Kane County to lose their team.
Is Kane County relatively hilljack free? I highly doubt Yeti and his ilk would make a dent.
Eastern Kane County is sort of the last outpost on the hilljack frontier. Geneva, Batavia, St. Charles and Aurora aren't much different than any other Chicago suburbs.
Western Kane County is basically Iowa.
So basically loaded with hilljacks?
And much of the college-going student population of Chicagaland.
Quote from: ChuckD on February 11, 2014, 01:38:24 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on February 11, 2014, 01:27:54 PM
Quote from: CT III on February 11, 2014, 12:50:31 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on February 11, 2014, 12:13:45 PM
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 06:50:04 AM
Quote from: Yeti on February 11, 2014, 06:46:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 04:01:05 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 10, 2014, 03:42:06 PM
Now that the Cougars have release their schedule (http://www.milb.com/documents/2/8/0/63256280/2014_Schedule_jeon253o.pdf), any interest in a group buy? They've actually got a nice picnic area there - very kid-friendly.
Intrepid Reader: Yeti
*boing*
In actuality, my bff and I have talked about Kane County as a slight possibility for one part of my bachelor party. But, IIRC, they don't have an all-inclusive section
A group of you and your overserved hilljackians is all that needs to happen for Kane County to lose their team.
Is Kane County relatively hilljack free? I highly doubt Yeti and his ilk would make a dent.
Eastern Kane County is sort of the last outpost on the hilljack frontier. Geneva, Batavia, St. Charles and Aurora aren't much different than any other Chicago suburbs.
Western Kane County is basically Iowa.
So basically loaded with hilljacks?
And much of the college-going student population of Chicagaland.
And we know there aren't any hilljack implants living in Chicago
Quote from: CT III on February 11, 2014, 12:50:31 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on February 11, 2014, 12:13:45 PM
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 06:50:04 AM
Quote from: Yeti on February 11, 2014, 06:46:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 04:01:05 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 10, 2014, 03:42:06 PM
Now that the Cougars have release their schedule (http://www.milb.com/documents/2/8/0/63256280/2014_Schedule_jeon253o.pdf), any interest in a group buy? They've actually got a nice picnic area there - very kid-friendly.
Intrepid Reader: Yeti
*boing*
In actuality, my bff and I have talked about Kane County as a slight possibility for one part of my bachelor party. But, IIRC, they don't have an all-inclusive section
A group of you and your overserved hilljackians is all that needs to happen for Kane County to lose their team.
Is Kane County relatively hilljack free? I highly doubt Yeti and his ilk would make a dent.
Eastern Kane County is sort of the last outpost on the hilljack frontier. Geneva, Batavia, St. Charles and Aurora aren't much different than any other Chicago suburbs.
Western Kane County is basically Iowa.
I just found out there's a show this weekend in St. Charles - the Buckinghams and Gary Puckett, both backed by an orchestra. You won't get that in the Big City, octagons.
Quote from: Fork on February 11, 2014, 04:12:32 PM
Quote from: CT III on February 11, 2014, 12:50:31 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on February 11, 2014, 12:13:45 PM
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 06:50:04 AM
Quote from: Yeti on February 11, 2014, 06:46:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 11, 2014, 04:01:05 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 10, 2014, 03:42:06 PM
Now that the Cougars have release their schedule (http://www.milb.com/documents/2/8/0/63256280/2014_Schedule_jeon253o.pdf), any interest in a group buy? They've actually got a nice picnic area there - very kid-friendly.
Intrepid Reader: Yeti
*boing*
In actuality, my bff and I have talked about Kane County as a slight possibility for one part of my bachelor party. But, IIRC, they don't have an all-inclusive section
A group of you and your overserved hilljackians is all that needs to happen for Kane County to lose their team.
Is Kane County relatively hilljack free? I highly doubt Yeti and his ilk would make a dent.
Eastern Kane County is sort of the last outpost on the hilljack frontier. Geneva, Batavia, St. Charles and Aurora aren't much different than any other Chicago suburbs.
Western Kane County is basically Iowa.
I just found out there's a show this weekend in St. Charles - the Buckinghams and Gary Puckett, both backed by an orchestra. You won't get that in the Big City, octagons.
That's why I stay in the city
Dolan's previews so far are hilariously sad. I laughed and wept.
What a shitty goddamn team.
Quote from: Slaky on February 12, 2014, 11:54:32 AM
Dolan's previews so far are hilariously sad. I laughed and wept.
What a shitty goddamn team.
Andy's averaging a solid 10 rhetorical questions per preview so far, but I think he can do better, don't you?
Quote from: Slaky on February 12, 2014, 11:54:32 AM
Dolan's previews so far are hilariously sad. I laughed and wept.
Where can I find these things? They on the internets or can he just give them to me over the phone?
Quote from: JD on February 12, 2014, 10:11:49 PM
Quote from: Slaky on February 12, 2014, 11:54:32 AM
Dolan's previews so far are hilariously sad. I laughed and wept.
Where can I find these things? They on the internets or can he just give them to me over the phone?
he might fax em over.
or hit up desipio dot com on the web
I saw some discussion on the tweets yesternight about people being sick of losing and possibly wanting Baez and Bryant to start the season with the big league club. I can understand impatience from finely aged folks like Stew, but for anyone under the age of 115 who will presumably live to see this rebuilding process play out I don't get it - what's the rush? Starlin got called up when he was 20, Patterson when he was 21. Now all players are different, and I'm not saying that Starlin can be called a bust yet...but even setting aside arbitration clock issues, why not err on the side of caution with two guys who just turned 21 and 22?
Quote from: R-V on February 18, 2014, 09:00:17 AM
I saw some discussion on the tweets yesternight about people being sick of losing and possibly wanting Baez and Bryant to start the season with the big league club. I can understand impatience from finely aged folks like Stew, but for anyone under the age of 115 who will presumably live to see this rebuilding process play out I don't get it - what's the rush? Starlin got called up when he was 20, Patterson when he was 21. Now all players are different, and I'm not saying that Starlin can be called a bust yet...but even setting aside arbitration clock issues, why not err on the side of caution with two guys who just turned 21 and 22?
People are stupid. Whenever these guys get called up, and they struggle learning major league pitching, Cubs fans are going to be hilarious to watch.
Quote from: R-V on February 18, 2014, 09:00:17 AM
I saw some discussion on the tweets yesternight about people being sick of losing and possibly wanting Baez and Bryant to start the season with the big league club. I can understand impatience from finely aged folks like Stew, but for anyone under the age of 115 who will presumably live to see this rebuilding process play out I don't get it - what's the rush? Starlin got called up when he was 20, Patterson when he was 21. Now all players are different, and I'm not saying that Starlin can be called a bust yet...but even setting aside arbitration clock issues, why not err on the side of caution with two guys who just turned 21 and 22?
I saw that and get both sides. I think Baez would have a reasonable chance to be the Cubs' best player over a full season (partially based on how terrible everyone else is), so it's annoying to keep him down because 1.) it'd just be fun to actually see some exciting talent and 2.) they're obviously not concerned with putting their best product on the field. But everyone knows that.
On the other hand, starting him in AAA is almost certainly the rational, prudent move for a small-market franchise like the Cubs.
That Twitter discussion showed that Cubs fandom has been reduced to a pissing content over who is the best-behaved, most patient fan. It should be a good year!
Pen is going to come yell at me now.
Quote from: Eli on February 18, 2014, 09:42:29 AM
Quote from: R-V on February 18, 2014, 09:00:17 AM
I saw some discussion on the tweets yesternight about people being sick of losing and possibly wanting Baez and Bryant to start the season with the big league club. I can understand impatience from finely aged folks like Stew, but for anyone under the age of 115 who will presumably live to see this rebuilding process play out I don't get it - what's the rush? Starlin got called up when he was 20, Patterson when he was 21. Now all players are different, and I'm not saying that Starlin can be called a bust yet...but even setting aside arbitration clock issues, why not err on the side of caution with two guys who just turned 21 and 22?
I saw that and get both sides. I think Baez would have a reasonable chance to be the Cubs' best player over a full season (partially based on how terrible everyone else is), so it's annoying to keep him down because 1.) it'd just be fun to actually see some exciting talent and 2.) they're obviously not concerned with putting their best product on the field. But everyone knows that.
On the other hand, starting him in AAA is almost certainly the rational, prudent move for a small-market franchise like the Cubs.
That Twitter discussion showed that Cubs fandom has been reduced to a pissing content over who is the best-behaved, most patient fan. It should be a good year!
I see both sides as well. I'm not saying blow up a plan so people can have something to be happy about but at the same time I think when you combine all of the issues plaguing the Cubs right now (and it's not just a bad on-field product) it's enough to cause a man to drink.
Look at all the teams that are going to contend for a playoff spot this year. The Cubs are one of like six teams that has absolutely no chance to make the postseason.
I have the Cubs, Marlins, Twins, Astros, White Sox, Mets as the teams that will most definitely not contend. Anyone else has a case to sneak in.
Quote from: Eli on February 18, 2014, 09:42:29 AM
Quote from: R-V on February 18, 2014, 09:00:17 AM
I saw some discussion on the tweets yesternight about people being sick of losing and possibly wanting Baez and Bryant to start the season with the big league club. I can understand impatience from finely aged folks like Stew, but for anyone under the age of 115 who will presumably live to see this rebuilding process play out I don't get it - what's the rush? Starlin got called up when he was 20, Patterson when he was 21. Now all players are different, and I'm not saying that Starlin can be called a bust yet...but even setting aside arbitration clock issues, why not err on the side of caution with two guys who just turned 21 and 22?
I saw that and get both sides. I think Baez would have a reasonable chance to be the Cubs' best player over a full season (partially based on how terrible everyone else is), so it's annoying to keep him down because 1.) it'd just be fun to actually see some exciting talent and 2.) they're obviously not concerned with putting their best product on the field. But everyone knows that.
On the other hand, starting him in AAA is almost certainly the rational, prudent move for a small-market franchise like the Cubs.
That Twitter discussion showed that Cubs fandom has been reduced to a pissing content over who is the best-behaved, most patient fan. It should be a good year!
Check out the Big Butthurt on Brad!
Quote from: PANK! on February 18, 2014, 10:19:22 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 18, 2014, 09:42:29 AM
Quote from: R-V on February 18, 2014, 09:00:17 AM
I saw some discussion on the tweets yesternight about people being sick of losing and possibly wanting Baez and Bryant to start the season with the big league club. I can understand impatience from finely aged folks like Stew, but for anyone under the age of 115 who will presumably live to see this rebuilding process play out I don't get it - what's the rush? Starlin got called up when he was 20, Patterson when he was 21. Now all players are different, and I'm not saying that Starlin can be called a bust yet...but even setting aside arbitration clock issues, why not err on the side of caution with two guys who just turned 21 and 22?
I saw that and get both sides. I think Baez would have a reasonable chance to be the Cubs' best player over a full season (partially based on how terrible everyone else is), so it's annoying to keep him down because 1.) it'd just be fun to actually see some exciting talent and 2.) they're obviously not concerned with putting their best product on the field. But everyone knows that.
On the other hand, starting him in AAA is almost certainly the rational, prudent move for a small-market franchise like the Cubs.
That Twitter discussion showed that Cubs fandom has been reduced to a pissing content over who is the best-behaved, most patient fan. It should be a good year!
Check out the Big Butthurt on Brad!
The Cubs were a lemon when Ricketts bought them and he likely paid too much. I'd rather not spend my days being pissed off about that and being pissed off that this team won't be able to operate like a big market behemoth until Huey shoves Beth Murphy off a train platform and Tom finally makes the wise move and hires Chuck to replace Crane Kenney.
Instead I'm going to focus on the fact that they have embarked on an honest to God rebuilding process to generate some blue-chip homegrown talent which they have NEVER done in my lifetime. Who the hell knows if it'll work, it probably won't because shit happens, but it's something different and it just might be something good. All that they're asking in exchange is that I watch some shitty baseball for a few years. OK. I've been doing that most of my life.
Quote from: PANK! on February 18, 2014, 10:19:22 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 18, 2014, 09:42:29 AM
Quote from: R-V on February 18, 2014, 09:00:17 AM
I saw some discussion on the tweets yesternight about people being sick of losing and possibly wanting Baez and Bryant to start the season with the big league club. I can understand impatience from finely aged folks like Stew, but for anyone under the age of 115 who will presumably live to see this rebuilding process play out I don't get it - what's the rush? Starlin got called up when he was 20, Patterson when he was 21. Now all players are different, and I'm not saying that Starlin can be called a bust yet...but even setting aside arbitration clock issues, why not err on the side of caution with two guys who just turned 21 and 22?
I saw that and get both sides. I think Baez would have a reasonable chance to be the Cubs' best player over a full season (partially based on how terrible everyone else is), so it's annoying to keep him down because 1.) it'd just be fun to actually see some exciting talent and 2.) they're obviously not concerned with putting their best product on the field. But everyone knows that.
On the other hand, starting him in AAA is almost certainly the rational, prudent move for a small-market franchise like the Cubs.
That Twitter discussion showed that Cubs fandom has been reduced to a pissing content over who is the best-behaved, most patient fan. It should be a good year!
Check out the Big Butthurt on Brad!
I need a "HueyBait: Achieved" graphic.
Quote from: R-V on February 18, 2014, 10:26:18 AM
The Cubs were a lemon when Ricketts bought them and he likely paid too much.
No. He likely got a good deal. The issue seems to be that Zell insisted on more debt than was prudent and that Dad would only let some of the debt be family cash.
They levered up for the good of the Trib and didn't/weren't willing to use enough equity.
Quote from: BH on February 18, 2014, 09:09:07 AM
Quote from: R-V on February 18, 2014, 09:00:17 AM
I saw some discussion on the tweets yesternight about people being sick of losing and possibly wanting Baez and Bryant to start the season with the big league club. I can understand impatience from finely aged folks like Stew, but for anyone under the age of 115 who will presumably live to see this rebuilding process play out I don't get it - what's the rush? Starlin got called up when he was 20, Patterson when he was 21. Now all players are different, and I'm not saying that Starlin can be called a bust yet...but even setting aside arbitration clock issues, why not err on the side of caution with two guys who just turned 21 and 22?
People are stupid. Whenever these guys get called up, and they struggle learning major league pitching, Cubs fans are going to be hilarious to watch.
I am content to let the Baez'es and Bryants age in the minors. What I don't like is the unwillingness to put out some money for some decent free agents so that in the meantime there is a marketable product on the field. What we saw last August and September was unbearable. No pun intended.
Quote from: CBStew on February 18, 2014, 10:54:59 AM
Quote from: BH on February 18, 2014, 09:09:07 AM
Quote from: R-V on February 18, 2014, 09:00:17 AM
I saw some discussion on the tweets yesternight about people being sick of losing and possibly wanting Baez and Bryant to start the season with the big league club. I can understand impatience from finely aged folks like Stew, but for anyone under the age of 115 who will presumably live to see this rebuilding process play out I don't get it - what's the rush? Starlin got called up when he was 20, Patterson when he was 21. Now all players are different, and I'm not saying that Starlin can be called a bust yet...but even setting aside arbitration clock issues, why not err on the side of caution with two guys who just turned 21 and 22?
People are stupid. Whenever these guys get called up, and they struggle learning major league pitching, Cubs fans are going to be hilarious to watch.
I am content to let the Baez'es and Bryants age in the minors. What I don't like is the unwillingness to put out some money for some decent free agents so that in the meantime there is a marketable product on the field. What we saw last August and September was unbearable. No pun intended.
I didn't know there were people who actually
saw what happened in August and September of last year.
Quote from: CBStew on February 18, 2014, 10:54:59 AM
Quote from: BH on February 18, 2014, 09:09:07 AM
Quote from: R-V on February 18, 2014, 09:00:17 AM
I saw some discussion on the tweets yesternight about people being sick of losing and possibly wanting Baez and Bryant to start the season with the big league club. I can understand impatience from finely aged folks like Stew, but for anyone under the age of 115 who will presumably live to see this rebuilding process play out I don't get it - what's the rush? Starlin got called up when he was 20, Patterson when he was 21. Now all players are different, and I'm not saying that Starlin can be called a bust yet...but even setting aside arbitration clock issues, why not err on the side of caution with two guys who just turned 21 and 22?
People are stupid. Whenever these guys get called up, and they struggle learning major league pitching, Cubs fans are going to be hilarious to watch.
I am content to let the Baez'es and Bryants age in the minors. What I don't like is the unwillingness to put out some money for some decent free agents so that in the meantime there is a marketable product on the field. What we saw last August and September was unbearable. No pun intended.
How are they supposed to draft and sign more Bryants and Solers if they're paying a bunch of Jeff Francouers and Bronson Arroyos in August and September to win enough games to push them up the draft and international signing pool order? I'm being serious. I really want to know how the idea of being watchable and marginally competitive helps them acquire enough talent to make a difference long-term.
If a watchable .500-ish team is what you want, I don't really understand your agenda. It kind of hurts my head a little. I'm going to be honest.
Quote from: InternetApex on February 18, 2014, 12:10:47 PM
Quote from: CBStew on February 18, 2014, 10:54:59 AM
Quote from: BH on February 18, 2014, 09:09:07 AM
Quote from: R-V on February 18, 2014, 09:00:17 AM
I saw some discussion on the tweets yesternight about people being sick of losing and possibly wanting Baez and Bryant to start the season with the big league club. I can understand impatience from finely aged folks like Stew, but for anyone under the age of 115 who will presumably live to see this rebuilding process play out I don't get it - what's the rush? Starlin got called up when he was 20, Patterson when he was 21. Now all players are different, and I'm not saying that Starlin can be called a bust yet...but even setting aside arbitration clock issues, why not err on the side of caution with two guys who just turned 21 and 22?
People are stupid. Whenever these guys get called up, and they struggle learning major league pitching, Cubs fans are going to be hilarious to watch.
I am content to let the Baez'es and Bryants age in the minors. What I don't like is the unwillingness to put out some money for some decent free agents so that in the meantime there is a marketable product on the field. What we saw last August and September was unbearable. No pun intended.
How are they supposed to draft and sign more Bryants and Solers if they're paying a bunch of Jeff Francouers and Bronson Arroyos in August and September to win enough games to push them up the draft and international signing pool order? I'm being serious. I really want to know how the idea of being watchable and marginally competitive helps them acquire enough talent to make a difference long-term.
If a watchable .500-ish team is what you want, I don't really understand your agenda. It kind of hurts my head a little. I'm going to be honest.
I object to the idea that Jeff Francouer would somehow make any team marginally competitive.
Quote from: CT III on February 18, 2014, 12:32:18 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on February 18, 2014, 12:10:47 PM
Quote from: CBStew on February 18, 2014, 10:54:59 AM
Quote from: BH on February 18, 2014, 09:09:07 AM
Quote from: R-V on February 18, 2014, 09:00:17 AM
I saw some discussion on the tweets yesternight about people being sick of losing and possibly wanting Baez and Bryant to start the season with the big league club. I can understand impatience from finely aged folks like Stew, but for anyone under the age of 115 who will presumably live to see this rebuilding process play out I don't get it - what's the rush? Starlin got called up when he was 20, Patterson when he was 21. Now all players are different, and I'm not saying that Starlin can be called a bust yet...but even setting aside arbitration clock issues, why not err on the side of caution with two guys who just turned 21 and 22?
People are stupid. Whenever these guys get called up, and they struggle learning major league pitching, Cubs fans are going to be hilarious to watch.
I am content to let the Baez'es and Bryants age in the minors. What I don't like is the unwillingness to put out some money for some decent free agents so that in the meantime there is a marketable product on the field. What we saw last August and September was unbearable. No pun intended.
How are they supposed to draft and sign more Bryants and Solers if they're paying a bunch of Jeff Francouers and Bronson Arroyos in August and September to win enough games to push them up the draft and international signing pool order? I'm being serious. I really want to know how the idea of being watchable and marginally competitive helps them acquire enough talent to make a difference long-term.
If a watchable .500-ish team is what you want, I don't really understand your agenda. It kind of hurts my head a little. I'm going to be honest.
I object to the idea that Jeff Francouer would somehow make any team marginally competitive.
Well, if a really good team had him play everyday, they'd drop from really competitive to marginally competitive
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I saw some discussion on the tweets yesternight about people being sick of losing and possibly wanting Baez and Bryant to start the season with the big league club. I can understand impatience from finely aged folks like Stew, but for anyone under the age of 115 who will presumably live to see this rebuilding process play out I don't get it - what's the rush? Starlin got called up when he was 20, Patterson when he was 21. Now all players are different, and I'm not saying that Starlin can be called a bust yet...but even setting aside arbitration clock issues, why not err on the side of caution with two guys who just turned 21 and 22?
People are stupid. Whenever these guys get called up, and they struggle learning major league pitching, Cubs fans are going to be hilarious to watch.
I am content to let the Baez'es and Bryants age in the minors. What I don't like is the unwillingness to put out some money for some decent free agents so that in the meantime there is a marketable product on the field. What we saw last August and September was unbearable. No pun intended.
How are they supposed to draft and sign more Bryants and Solers if they're paying a bunch of Jeff Francouers and Bronson Arroyos in August and September to win enough games to push them up the draft and international signing pool order? I'm being serious. I really want to know how the idea of being watchable and marginally competitive helps them acquire enough talent to make a difference long-term.
If a watchable .500-ish team is what you want, I don't really understand your agenda. It kind of hurts my head a little. I'm going to be honest.
I object to the idea that Jeff Francouer would somehow make any team marginally competitive.
Well, if a really good team had him play everyday, they'd drop from really competitive to marginally competitive
I used him as an example because I think I remember somebody saying he should be signed when he was available late last year. And I used Arroyo because I fucking hate him. And I wanted to feel good about the fact that he wasn't on the Cubs. But that guy was out there for you if you wanted to sign a free agent this offseason.
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I saw some discussion on the tweets yesternight about people being sick of losing and possibly wanting Baez and Bryant to start the season with the big league club. I can understand impatience from finely aged folks like Stew, but for anyone under the age of 115 who will presumably live to see this rebuilding process play out I don't get it - what's the rush? Starlin got called up when he was 20, Patterson when he was 21. Now all players are different, and I'm not saying that Starlin can be called a bust yet...but even setting aside arbitration clock issues, why not err on the side of caution with two guys who just turned 21 and 22?
People are stupid. Whenever these guys get called up, and they struggle learning major league pitching, Cubs fans are going to be hilarious to watch.
I am content to let the Baez'es and Bryants age in the minors. What I don't like is the unwillingness to put out some money for some decent free agents so that in the meantime there is a marketable product on the field. What we saw last August and September was unbearable. No pun intended.
How are they supposed to draft and sign more Bryants and Solers if they're paying a bunch of Jeff Francouers and Bronson Arroyos in August and September to win enough games to push them up the draft and international signing pool order? I'm being serious. I really want to know how the idea of being watchable and marginally competitive helps them acquire enough talent to make a difference long-term.
If a watchable .500-ish team is what you want, I don't really understand your agenda. It kind of hurts my head a little. I'm going to be honest.
I object to the idea that Jeff Francouer would somehow make any team marginally competitive.
Well, if a really good team had him play everyday, they'd drop from really competitive to marginally competitive
I used him as an example because I think I remember somebody saying he should be signed when he was available late last year. And I used Arroyo because I fucking hate him. And I wanted to feel good about the fact that he wasn't on the Cubs. But that guy was out there for you if you wanted to sign a free agent this offseason.
I know Pex, and I felt I had to restate my objection to his very existence because I was enraged by that suggestion.
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I saw some discussion on the tweets yesternight about people being sick of losing and possibly wanting Baez and Bryant to start the season with the big league club. I can understand impatience from finely aged folks like Stew, but for anyone under the age of 115 who will presumably live to see this rebuilding process play out I don't get it - what's the rush? Starlin got called up when he was 20, Patterson when he was 21. Now all players are different, and I'm not saying that Starlin can be called a bust yet...but even setting aside arbitration clock issues, why not err on the side of caution with two guys who just turned 21 and 22?
People are stupid. Whenever these guys get called up, and they struggle learning major league pitching, Cubs fans are going to be hilarious to watch.
I am content to let the Baez'es and Bryants age in the minors. What I don't like is the unwillingness to put out some money for some decent free agents so that in the meantime there is a marketable product on the field. What we saw last August and September was unbearable. No pun intended.
How are they supposed to draft and sign more Bryants and Solers if they're paying a bunch of Jeff Francouers and Bronson Arroyos in August and September to win enough games to push them up the draft and international signing pool order? I'm being serious. I really want to know how the idea of being watchable and marginally competitive helps them acquire enough talent to make a difference long-term.
If a watchable .500-ish team is what you want, I don't really understand your agenda. It kind of hurts my head a little. I'm going to be honest.
I object to the idea that Jeff Francouer would somehow make any team marginally competitive.
Well, if a really good team had him play everyday, they'd drop from really competitive to marginally competitive
I used him as an example because I think I remember somebody saying he should be signed when he was available late last year. And I used Arroyo because I fucking hate him. And I wanted to feel good about the fact that he wasn't on the Cubs. But that guy was out there for you if you wanted to sign a free agent this offseason.
I know Pex, and I felt I had to restate my objection to his very existence because I was enraged by that suggestion.
Al's suggestion that the Cubs pick up Francoeur was one of the few times my raging Cubs butthurt overlapped with my raging Royals butthurt.
Francoeur was the worst player in baseball last year. (http://www.royalsreview.com/2013/5/28/4371402/jeff-francoeur-by-the-numbers). The fact that anyone was paying him a major league salary enrages me.
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I saw some discussion on the tweets yesternight about people being sick of losing and possibly wanting Baez and Bryant to start the season with the big league club. I can understand impatience from finely aged folks like Stew, but for anyone under the age of 115 who will presumably live to see this rebuilding process play out I don't get it - what's the rush? Starlin got called up when he was 20, Patterson when he was 21. Now all players are different, and I'm not saying that Starlin can be called a bust yet...but even setting aside arbitration clock issues, why not err on the side of caution with two guys who just turned 21 and 22?
People are stupid. Whenever these guys get called up, and they struggle learning major league pitching, Cubs fans are going to be hilarious to watch.
I am content to let the Baez'es and Bryants age in the minors. What I don't like is the unwillingness to put out some money for some decent free agents so that in the meantime there is a marketable product on the field. What we saw last August and September was unbearable. No pun intended.
How are they supposed to draft and sign more Bryants and Solers if they're paying a bunch of Jeff Francouers and Bronson Arroyos in August and September to win enough games to push them up the draft and international signing pool order? I'm being serious. I really want to know how the idea of being watchable and marginally competitive helps them acquire enough talent to make a difference long-term.
If a watchable .500-ish team is what you want, I don't really understand your agenda. It kind of hurts my head a little. I'm going to be honest.
I object to the idea that Jeff Francouer would somehow make any team marginally competitive.
Well, if a really good team had him play everyday, they'd drop from really competitive to marginally competitive
I used him as an example because I think I remember somebody saying he should be signed when he was available late last year. And I used Arroyo because I fucking hate him. And I wanted to feel good about the fact that he wasn't on the Cubs. But that guy was out there for you if you wanted to sign a free agent this offseason.
I know Pex, and I felt I had to restate my objection to his very existence because I was enraged by that suggestion.
Al's suggestion that the Cubs pick up Francoeur was one of the few times my raging Cubs butthurt overlapped with my raging Royals butthurt.
Francoeur was the worst player in baseball last year. (http://www.royalsreview.com/2013/5/28/4371402/jeff-francoeur-by-the-numbers). The fact that anyone was paying him a major league salary enrages me.
Shame on anyone who advocated signing Francoeur. But I really don't think that his presence would have had a negative influence on last year's Cubs team. I joke. I think that Junior Lake was an outlier in the Cubs' approach to bringing up players from the minors.
Everyone who whines about the Cubs not being competitive now is not allowed to enjoy Bryant's MVP awards and All-Star appearances in a few years. I just decided that.
Quote from: Tony on February 18, 2014, 02:49:07 PM
Everyone who whines about the Cubs not being competitive now is not allowed to enjoy Bryant's MVP awards and All-Star appearances in a few years. I just decided that.
I see what you did (https://twitter.com/ivychat/status/435604707944325120) there.
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Everyone who whines about the Cubs not being competitive now is not allowed to enjoy Bryant's MVP awards and All-Star appearances in a few years. I just decided that.
I see what you did (https://twitter.com/ivychat/status/435604707944325120) there.
I didn't see that. I guess I just agree with Chuck. Now I feel funny.
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Everyone who whines about the Cubs not being competitive now is not allowed to enjoy Bryant's MVP awards and All-Star appearances in a few years. I just decided that.
I see what you did (https://twitter.com/ivychat/status/435604707944325120) there.
I didn't see that. I guess I just agree with Chuck. Now I feel funny.
You should. That line of thinking is bad thinking.
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Everyone who whines about the Cubs not being competitive now is not allowed to enjoy Bryant's MVP awards and All-Star appearances in a few years. I just decided that.
I see what you did (https://twitter.com/ivychat/status/435604707944325120) there.
I didn't see that. I guess I just agree with Chuck. Now I feel funny.
You should. That line of thinking is bad thinking.
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How are they supposed to draft and sign more Bryants and Solers if they're paying a bunch of Jeff Francouers and Bronson Arroyos in August and September to win enough games to push them up the draft and international signing pool order? I'm being serious. I really want to know how the idea of being watchable and marginally competitive helps them acquire enough talent to make a difference long-term.
Is there evidence one way or another on the effect of bringing up a prospect before they're ripe? Am I just repeating some old conventional wisdom about bringing a player up too soon that isn't really backed up by the facts?
Quote from: R-V on February 18, 2014, 03:21:15 PM
Is there evidence one way or another on the effect of bringing up a prospect before they're ripe? Am I just repeating some old conventional wisdom about bringing a player up too soon that isn't really backed up by the facts?
We only know that it was "too soon" after the fact.
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Everyone who whines about the Cubs not being competitive now is not allowed to enjoy Bryant's MVP awards and All-Star appearances in a few years. I just decided that.
I see what you did (https://twitter.com/ivychat/status/435604707944325120) there.
I didn't see that. I guess I just agree with Chuck. Now I feel funny.
You should. That line of thinking is bad thinking.
Quote from: InternetApex on February 18, 2014, 12:10:47 PM
How are they supposed to draft and sign more Bryants and Solers if they're paying a bunch of Jeff Francouers and Bronson Arroyos in August and September to win enough games to push them up the draft and international signing pool order? I'm being serious. I really want to know how the idea of being watchable and marginally competitive helps them acquire enough talent to make a difference long-term.
Nowhere does Apex say you can't enjoy a future MVP trophy that's never actually going to happen
I hate this season already.
Quote from: Yeti on February 18, 2014, 03:29:22 PM
I hate this season already.
It's going to be very bad. I suppose we should find something else to do. Problem is I really like watching baseball. How about the Jeter farewell circlejerk? In no way will that be horrible.
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I hate this season already.
It's going to be very bad. I suppose we should find something else to do. Problem is I really like watching baseball. How about the Jeter farewell circlejerk? In no way will that be horrible.
He's the greatest Yankee in history, you know.
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I hate this season already.
It's going to be very bad. I suppose we should find something else to do. Problem is I really like watching baseball. How about the Jeter farewell circlejerk? In no way will that be horrible.
Good God. I thought Rivera's was beat into the ground. This year will basically be a Forkjoke.
Quote from: R-V on February 18, 2014, 03:21:15 PM
Is there evidence one way or another on the effect of bringing up a prospect before they're ripe? Am I just repeating some old conventional wisdom about bringing a player up too soon that isn't really backed up by the facts?
I know you said you wanted to set aside the arbitration clock, but that's pretty much all I care about at this point. If keeping Baez and Bryant in the minors for a few months rather than have them break camp with the team means the Cubs get to hold onto them for a little longer, then that's what I want them to do.
Does that make me an asshole?
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Quote from: R-V on February 18, 2014, 03:21:15 PM
Is there evidence one way or another on the effect of bringing up a prospect before they're ripe? Am I just repeating some old conventional wisdom about bringing a player up too soon that isn't really backed up by the facts?
I know you said you wanted to set aside the arbitration clock, but that's pretty much all I care about at this point. If keeping Baez and Bryant in the minors for a few months rather than have them break camp with the team means the Cubs get to hold onto them for a little longer, then that's what I want them to do.
Does that make me an asshole?
Nope.
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Quote from: R-V on February 18, 2014, 03:21:15 PM
Is there evidence one way or another on the effect of bringing up a prospect before they're ripe? Am I just repeating some old conventional wisdom about bringing a player up too soon that isn't really backed up by the facts?
I know you said you wanted to set aside the arbitration clock, but that's pretty much all I care about at this point. If keeping Baez and Bryant in the minors for a few months rather than have them break camp with the team means the Cubs get to hold onto them for a little longer, then that's what I want them to do.
Does that make me an asshole?
Nope.
Especially not in the case of Bryant, who's represented by Boras.
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Quote from: R-V on February 18, 2014, 03:21:15 PM
Is there evidence one way or another on the effect of bringing up a prospect before they're ripe? Am I just repeating some old conventional wisdom about bringing a player up too soon that isn't really backed up by the facts?
I know you said you wanted to set aside the arbitration clock, but that's pretty much all I care about at this point. If keeping Baez and Bryant in the minors for a few months rather than have them break camp with the team means the Cubs get to hold onto them for a little longer, then that's what I want them to do.
Does that make me an asshole?
Nope.
Especially not in the case of Bryant, who's represented by Boras.
I always thought that the idea of keeping a player in the minors until he was ready meant that you could control when and where he played, how much coaching he got and minimized the psychological effect of his failures. Striking out five times and making three errors in a AA game doesn't mean shit. Do it at the Major League level too many times and a shitstorm could ensue, which affects more than just the player in question.
Or did you want some sort of math?
I feel like for players like Patterson and Pie, whose major failings stem from a lack of attention to the strike zone, unless you believe that you're going to work that out of them in the minors, the "Too Soon!" argument doesn't factor in. Two years or 10 years in the farm system the Cubs had in those days wouldn't have done much for those two guys.
La la la can't hear you guys.
CF Almora
2B Alcantara
3B Bryant
SS Baez
1B Rizzo
RF Soler
C Castillo
LF Jimenez/Lake/Jackson/who cares
Looking forward to all those 15-8 slugfests except for the days when the legit ace they get for Castro, Snork, and Vogelbach is starting.
Quote from: R-V on February 18, 2014, 03:21:15 PM
Is there evidence one way or another on the effect of bringing up a prospect before they're ripe? Am I just repeating some old conventional wisdom about bringing a player up too soon that isn't really backed up by the facts?
There's really no way to test that. If a guy comes up and struggles, it
might be evidence that he was called up prematurely. But, by definition, if he doesn't struggle, then it couldn't have been too soon.
So, really every prospect who was called up prior to some arbitrary age (which varies for each player) and has found success against MLB competition, is evidence against the argument.
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Quote from: R-V on February 18, 2014, 03:21:15 PM
Is there evidence one way or another on the effect of bringing up a prospect before they're ripe? Am I just repeating some old conventional wisdom about bringing a player up too soon that isn't really backed up by the facts?
There's really no way to test that. If a guy comes up and struggles, it might be evidence that he was called up prematurely. But, by definition, if he doesn't struggle, then it couldn't have been too soon.
So, really every prospect who was called up prior to some arbitrary age (which varies for each player) and has found success against MLB competition, is evidence against the argument.
Depends what you mean by "found success" though. You have to sustain that somewhat. Plenty of guys come up, get some hits then struggle to make adjustments.
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Quote from: ChuckD on February 18, 2014, 06:15:37 PM
Quote from: R-V on February 18, 2014, 03:21:15 PM
Is there evidence one way or another on the effect of bringing up a prospect before they're ripe? Am I just repeating some old conventional wisdom about bringing a player up too soon that isn't really backed up by the facts?
There's really no way to test that. If a guy comes up and struggles, it might be evidence that he was called up prematurely. But, by definition, if he doesn't struggle, then it couldn't have been too soon.
So, really every prospect who was called up prior to some arbitrary age (which varies for each player) and has found success against MLB competition, is evidence against the argument.
Depends what you mean by "found success" though. You have to sustain that somewhat. Plenty of guys come up, get some hits then struggle to make adjustments.
That's beside ChuckD's point. However you choose to define "success", some guys will achieve it when they come up, some guys won't.
The point is that there's not really any good way to gauge the difference between that "success" or "failure" (again, however you choose to define these) and what that same player
would have done had you chosen to bring them up earlier or later.
Until, that is, we finally get our long-dreamt-of 40-Theriot roster. In which case we could separate our Theriots out into various experimental and control groups and finally get some hard data all up on our dicks.
I always had the nagging suspicion that Shawon Dunston was called up too soon but akin to Chuck D.'s point, it's not easy to demonstrate this. I couldn't tell you if he would have been as equally a serviceable player, who for about a 3 year period may have been one of the top 5 shortstops in the NL, if the Cubs waited a year to call him up, or much, much better. It's likely that an extra year in the minors would've done little to help him from so aggressively chasing every stinkin' goddamn breaking ball in the dirt, but there also was little reason--at the time--to have called him up in 1985 other than the fact that Larry Bowa was an aging, annoying asshole who couldn't hit dick.
I do think there could be a psychological aspect to it which is even more nebulous to factor in. I'll remain convinced that the Cubs did Corey Patterson no favors by bringing him up after a regressive season at West Tennessee in 2000 and doing so merely provided him a sense of entitlement and a disincentive to work on his own development.
Quote from: PANK! on February 19, 2014, 05:55:36 AM
I always had the nagging suspicion that Shawon Dunston was called up too soon but akin to Chuck D.'s point, it's not easy to demonstrate this. I couldn't tell you if he would have been as equally a serviceable player, who for about a 3 year period may have been one of the top 5 shortstops in the NL, if the Cubs waited a year to call him up, or much, much better. It's likely that an extra year in the minors would've done little to help him from so aggressively chasing every stinkin' goddamn breaking ball in the dirt, but there also was little reason--at the time--to have called him up in 1985 other than the fact that Larry Bowa was an aging, annoying asshole who couldn't hit dick.
I do think there could be a psychological aspect to it which is even more nebulous to factor in. I'll remain convinced that the Cubs did Corey Patterson no favors by bringing him up after a regressive season at West Tennessee in 2000 and doing so merely provided him a sense of entitlement and a disincentive to work on his own development.
At least Corey got to boink Gail Fischer before she ballooned up to two spins.
Quote from: PANK! on February 19, 2014, 05:55:36 AM
I do think there could be a psychological aspect to it which is even more nebulous to factor in. I'll remain convinced that the Cubs did Corey Patterson no favors by bringing him up after a regressive season at West Tennessee in 2000 and doing so merely provided him a sense of entitlement and a disincentive to work on his own development.
There was that, plus Dusty's repeated attempts to turn him into Juan Pierre.
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Quote from: PANK! on February 19, 2014, 05:55:36 AM
I do think there could be a psychological aspect to it which is even more nebulous to factor in. I'll remain convinced that the Cubs did Corey Patterson no favors by bringing him up after a regressive season at West Tennessee in 2000 and doing so merely provided him a sense of entitlement and a disincentive to work on his own development.
There was that, plus Dusty's repeated attempts to turn him into Juan Pierre.
Didn't help but I go back further to 2000 when Patterson was coming off a solid year at Lansing in '99 and then tore up the AFL league in the subsequent Fall. He performed very well in Mesa with the big club in 2000 Spring Training and all of the quotes by Don Baylor only seemed to blow him up further. Baylor had a right to be optimistic because up until that point Patterson had looked solid at every stop. But then Patterson regresssed at West Tennesse which should have been a sign to the organization to slow things down. Instead, they couldn't let go of what they saw in the Spring and called him up anyway. Part of me thinks the MacPhail braintrust was so desperate to prove their farm system was working (by then they had only produced Kerry Wood in 5+ years and had already traded away Jon Garland for the sack of shit known as Matt Karchner) that they ignored the red flag that his first full season at AA had produced. That's where I suggest that Patterson had no incentive to work on his development, because it semed the message they were giving him was that he was going to be plying his trade in the bigs regardless of how he performed in the lower levels.
I think an organization that is rich in talent, which the Cubs (until now) had not been since the late 1980's, doesn't run into these problems. But in the case of the Cubs, so much stock was put in to the scarcity of blue chip talent that they
did have (remember that Patterson and Josh Hamilton were ranked #1 and #2 by Baseball America...or maybe it was #2, #1--either way, Patterson graced the cover that year prior to the 2001 season) that they ignored all the warning signs, threw caution to the wind and just hoped for the best.
Dusty merely dumped more dirt on his career.
Good times.
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Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2014, 09:04:32 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 19, 2014, 05:55:36 AM
I do think there could be a psychological aspect to it which is even more nebulous to factor in. I'll remain convinced that the Cubs did Corey Patterson no favors by bringing him up after a regressive season at West Tennessee in 2000 and doing so merely provided him a sense of entitlement and a disincentive to work on his own development.
There was that, plus Dusty's repeated attempts to turn him into Juan Pierre.
Didn't help but I go back further to 2000 when Patterson was coming off a solid year at Lansing in '99 and then tore up the AFL league in the subsequent Fall. He performed very well in Mesa with the big club in 2000 Spring Training and all of the quotes by Don Baylor only seemed to blow him up further. Baylor had a right to be optimistic because up until that point Patterson had looked solid at every stop. But then Patterson regresssed at West Tennesse which should have been a sign to the organization to slow things down. Instead, they couldn't let go of what they saw in the Spring and called him up anyway. Part of me thinks the MacPhail braintrust was so desperate to prove their farm system was working (by then they had only produced Kerry Wood in 5+ years and had already traded away Jon Garland for the sack of shit known as Matt Karchner) that they ignored the red flag that his first full season at AA had produced. That's where I suggest that Patterson had no incentive to work on his development, because it semed the message they were giving him was that he was going to be plying his trade in the bigs regardless of how he performed in the lower levels.
I think an organization that is rich in talent, which the Cubs (until now) had not been since the late 1980's, doesn't run into these problems. But in the case of the Cubs, so much stock was put in to the scarcity of blue chip talent that they did have (remember that Patterson and Josh Hamilton were ranked #1 and #2 by Baseball America...or maybe it was #2, #1--either way, Patterson graced the cover that year prior to the 2001 season) that they ignored all the warning signs, threw caution to the wind and just hoped for the best.
Dusty merely dumped more dirt on his career.
Good times.
Prospects never work out.
Quote from: PANK! on February 19, 2014, 09:24:55 AM
(remember that Patterson and Josh Hamilton were ranked #1 and #2 by Baseball America...or maybe it was #2, #1--either way, Patterson graced the cover that year prior to the 2001 season)
Nice choice, Jim.
Seemed
Quote from: Eli on February 18, 2014, 09:46:40 AM
Pen is going to come yell at me now.
Stupid all-day meetings.
I missed a great chance here.
Now the moment is gone.
Quote from: Yeti on February 18, 2014, 03:43:05 PM
Quote from: Slaky on February 18, 2014, 03:34:36 PM
Quote from: Yeti on February 18, 2014, 03:29:22 PM
I hate this season already.
It's going to be very bad. I suppose we should find something else to do. Problem is I really like watching baseball. How about the Jeter farewell circlejerk? In no way will that be horrible.
Good God. I thought Rivera's was beat into the ground. This year will basically be a Forkjoke.
Anyone who was a Yankee captain and didn't die tragically pretty much deserves accolades.
Baseball America's top 100 prospects released last night. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-baseball-america-top-100-prospects-free/)
5. Baez
8. Bryant
28. Edwards
36. Almora
41. Soler
87. Pierce Johnson
100. Alcantara
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 10:07:20 AM
Baseball America's top 100 prospects released last night. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-baseball-america-top-100-prospects-free/)
5. Baez
8. Bryant
28. Edwards
36. Almora
41. Soler
87. Pierce Johnson
100. Alcantara
Hoping history doesn't repeat itself... (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApDc5PGsBzgVdDRwRU9PMXp3MV9mMERXek16N0s4WHc&hl=en#gid=12)
2. Corey Patterson
17. Juan Cruz
22. Hee Seop Choi
37. Ben Christiansen
68. Carlos Zambrano
73. Luis Montanez
Quote from: PANK! on February 20, 2014, 10:21:10 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 10:07:20 AM
Baseball America's top 100 prospects released last night. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-baseball-america-top-100-prospects-free/)
5. Baez
8. Bryant
28. Edwards
36. Almora
41. Soler
87. Pierce Johnson
100. Alcantara
Hoping history doesn't repeat itself... (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApDc5PGsBzgVdDRwRU9PMXp3MV9mMERXek16N0s4WHc&hl=en#gid=12)
2. Corey Patterson
17. Juan Cruz
22. Hee Seop Choi
37. Ben Christiansen
68. Carlos Zambrano
73. Luis Montanez
You people have fucking problems.
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 10:28:47 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 20, 2014, 10:21:10 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 10:07:20 AM
Baseball America's top 100 prospects released last night. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-baseball-america-top-100-prospects-free/)
5. Baez
8. Bryant
28. Edwards
36. Almora
41. Soler
87. Pierce Johnson
100. Alcantara
Hoping history doesn't repeat itself... (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApDc5PGsBzgVdDRwRU9PMXp3MV9mMERXek16N0s4WHc&hl=en#gid=12)
2. Corey Patterson
17. Juan Cruz
22. Hee Seop Choi
37. Ben Christiansen
68. Carlos Zambrano
73. Luis Montanez
You people have fucking problems.
Huey was expressing a hope. What's wrong with that?
Quote from: Eli on February 20, 2014, 10:32:35 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 10:28:47 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 20, 2014, 10:21:10 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 10:07:20 AM
Baseball America's top 100 prospects released last night. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-baseball-america-top-100-prospects-free/)
5. Baez
8. Bryant
28. Edwards
36. Almora
41. Soler
87. Pierce Johnson
100. Alcantara
Hoping history doesn't repeat itself... (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApDc5PGsBzgVdDRwRU9PMXp3MV9mMERXek16N0s4WHc&hl=en#gid=12)
2. Corey Patterson
17. Juan Cruz
22. Hee Seop Choi
37. Ben Christiansen
68. Carlos Zambrano
73. Luis Montanez
You people have fucking problems.
Huey was expressing a hope. What's wrong with that?
If any Cubs farm pitcher turns out like Zambrano from a production standpoint how would any of you not be thrilled? Big Z was fucking awesome.
I will say that I think BA and other places like it have gotten better at evaluating prospects because there's so much more info available now. I'd have to think their rankings are more reliable than they were a decade ago.
Man, I remember when Cubs' fans were upset that Choi got traded for Derrek Lee. Good times.
Quote from: Eli on February 20, 2014, 10:32:35 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 10:28:47 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 20, 2014, 10:21:10 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 10:07:20 AM
Baseball America's top 100 prospects released last night. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-baseball-america-top-100-prospects-free/)
5. Baez
8. Bryant
28. Edwards
36. Almora
41. Soler
87. Pierce Johnson
100. Alcantara
Hoping history doesn't repeat itself... (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApDc5PGsBzgVdDRwRU9PMXp3MV9mMERXek16N0s4WHc&hl=en#gid=12)
2. Corey Patterson
17. Juan Cruz
22. Hee Seop Choi
37. Ben Christiansen
68. Carlos Zambrano
73. Luis Montanez
You people have fucking problems.
Huey was expressing a hope. What's wrong with that?
I realize I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth. I just couldn't resist trolling Pen's optimism. I
am optimistic about Epstein's regime getting this franchise on the right track; but at the same time I confess to being a little weary about these fancy statfaggy prospect projections, the flameouts of the 2001 prospects (Zambrano excepted) leaving me a little scarred. In the end, I'm subverting my skepticism to Theo dongchuggery.
Quote from: Slaky on February 20, 2014, 10:42:23 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 20, 2014, 10:32:35 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 10:28:47 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 20, 2014, 10:21:10 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 10:07:20 AM
Baseball America's top 100 prospects released last night. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-baseball-america-top-100-prospects-free/)
5. Baez
8. Bryant
28. Edwards
36. Almora
41. Soler
87. Pierce Johnson
100. Alcantara
Hoping history doesn't repeat itself... (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApDc5PGsBzgVdDRwRU9PMXp3MV9mMERXek16N0s4WHc&hl=en#gid=12)
2. Corey Patterson
17. Juan Cruz
22. Hee Seop Choi
37. Ben Christiansen
68. Carlos Zambrano
73. Luis Montanez
You people have fucking problems.
Huey was expressing a hope. What's wrong with that?
If any Cubs farm pitcher turns out like Zambrano from a production standpoint how would any of you not be thrilled? Big Z was fucking awesome.
Agreed. I still hold on to totally fantastical thoughts of Big Z collecting the pennant-clinching Save for this franchise..
Quote from: PANK! on February 20, 2014, 10:45:53 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 20, 2014, 10:32:35 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 10:28:47 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 20, 2014, 10:21:10 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 10:07:20 AM
Baseball America's top 100 prospects released last night. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-baseball-america-top-100-prospects-free/)
5. Baez
8. Bryant
28. Edwards
36. Almora
41. Soler
87. Pierce Johnson
100. Alcantara
Hoping history doesn't repeat itself... (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApDc5PGsBzgVdDRwRU9PMXp3MV9mMERXek16N0s4WHc&hl=en#gid=12)
2. Corey Patterson
17. Juan Cruz
22. Hee Seop Choi
37. Ben Christiansen
68. Carlos Zambrano
73. Luis Montanez
You people have fucking problems.
Huey was expressing a hope. What's wrong with that?
I realize I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth. I just couldn't resist trolling Pen's optimism. I am optimistic about Epstein's regime getting this franchise on the right track; but at the same time I confess to being a little weary about these fancy statfaggy prospect projections, the flameouts of the 2001 prospects (Zambrano excepted) leaving me a little scarred. In the end, I'm subverting my skepticism to Theo dongchuggery.
Fancy projections that include watching (or "scouting" to use an industry term) players play baseball?
Quote from: PANK! on February 20, 2014, 10:21:10 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 10:07:20 AM
Baseball America's top 100 prospects released last night. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-baseball-america-top-100-prospects-free/)
5. Baez
8. Bryant
28. Edwards
36. Almora
41. Soler
87. Pierce Johnson
100. Alcantara
Hoping history doesn't repeat itself... (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApDc5PGsBzgVdDRwRU9PMXp3MV9mMERXek16N0s4WHc&hl=en#gid=12)
2. Corey Patterson
17. Juan Cruz
22. Hee Seop Choi
37. Ben Christiansen
68. Carlos Zambrano
73. Luis Montanez
F—— prospects, get Francoeurs.
Quote from: R-V on February 20, 2014, 10:52:52 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 20, 2014, 10:45:53 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 20, 2014, 10:32:35 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 10:28:47 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 20, 2014, 10:21:10 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 10:07:20 AM
Baseball America's top 100 prospects released last night. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-baseball-america-top-100-prospects-free/)
5. Baez
8. Bryant
28. Edwards
36. Almora
41. Soler
87. Pierce Johnson
100. Alcantara
Hoping history doesn't repeat itself... (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApDc5PGsBzgVdDRwRU9PMXp3MV9mMERXek16N0s4WHc&hl=en#gid=12)
2. Corey Patterson
17. Juan Cruz
22. Hee Seop Choi
37. Ben Christiansen
68. Carlos Zambrano
73. Luis Montanez
You people have fucking problems.
Huey was expressing a hope. What's wrong with that?
I realize I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth. I just couldn't resist trolling Pen's optimism. I am optimistic about Epstein's regime getting this franchise on the right track; but at the same time I confess to being a little weary about these fancy statfaggy prospect projections, the flameouts of the 2001 prospects (Zambrano excepted) leaving me a little scarred. In the end, I'm subverting my skepticism to Theo dongchuggery.
Fancy projections that include watching (or "scouting" to use an industry term) players play baseball?
Sure, why not?
Quote from: Eli on February 20, 2014, 10:44:15 AM
I will say that I think BA and other places like it have gotten better at evaluating prospects because there's so much more info available now. I'd have to think their rankings are more reliable than they were a decade ago.
Previously, on Desipio...
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 27, 2013, 09:00:08 AM
A very poorly-written but still worthwhile look at how reliable Baseball America's Top 100 Prospects rankings are. (http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2013/6/3/4386214/how-well-does-the-baseball-america-prospect-top-100-estimate-the-top)
(http://i.imgur.com/LGn8VPV.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/8VJjSAF.jpg)
Quote from: PANK! on February 20, 2014, 10:45:53 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 20, 2014, 10:32:35 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 10:28:47 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 20, 2014, 10:21:10 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 10:07:20 AM
Baseball America's top 100 prospects released last night. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-baseball-america-top-100-prospects-free/)
5. Baez
8. Bryant
28. Edwards
36. Almora
41. Soler
87. Pierce Johnson
100. Alcantara
Hoping history doesn't repeat itself... (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApDc5PGsBzgVdDRwRU9PMXp3MV9mMERXek16N0s4WHc&hl=en#gid=12)
2. Corey Patterson
17. Juan Cruz
22. Hee Seop Choi
37. Ben Christiansen
68. Carlos Zambrano
73. Luis Montanez
You people have fucking problems.
Huey was expressing a hope. What's wrong with that?
I realize I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth. I just couldn't resist trolling Pen's optimism. I am optimistic about Epstein's regime getting this franchise on the right track; but at the same time I confess to being a little weary about these fancy statfaggy prospect projections, the flameouts of the 2001 prospects (Zambrano excepted) leaving me a little scarred. In the end, I'm subverting my skepticism to Theo dongchuggery.
You know that was 13 years ago, right?
Under a totally different regime?
Also, 4 of those 6 guys in 2001 played fairly significant roles on a team that was 5 outs from the World Series two years later.
Admittedly, Juan Cruz's significant role was mostly to be shitty.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on February 20, 2014, 11:22:47 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 20, 2014, 10:44:15 AM
I will say that I think BA and other places like it have gotten better at evaluating prospects because there's so much more info available now. I'd have to think their rankings are more reliable than they were a decade ago.
Previously, on Desipio...
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 27, 2013, 09:00:08 AM
A very poorly-written but still worthwhile look at how reliable Baseball America's Top 100 Prospects rankings are. (http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2013/6/3/4386214/how-well-does-the-baseball-america-prospect-top-100-estimate-the-top)
(http://i.imgur.com/LGn8VPV.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/8VJjSAF.jpg)
Also, while trying to find that blog post again, I also happened upon this undergrad thesis (http://scholarship.claremont.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1449&context=cmc_theses) (with all the caveats that comes with)...
QuoteThe results of the analysis in this study show that prospect ranking on the lists from Baseball America, Baseball Prospectus, and John Sickels is highly correlated with future Major League value. For every ten spots higher a player is ranked on a BA top 100 list, he is expected to produce .7 more WAR in his first five Major League seasons. For BP, a rise of ten spots predicts 1 more WAR; for Sickels it predicts .6. These results support my hypothesis that these publications, which scout and analyze the prospects they rank, are able to identify players who will produce more at the Major League level. It does indeed matter how highly a player is ranked.
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 11:39:48 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 20, 2014, 10:45:53 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 20, 2014, 10:32:35 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 10:28:47 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 20, 2014, 10:21:10 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 10:07:20 AM
Baseball America's top 100 prospects released last night. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-baseball-america-top-100-prospects-free/)
5. Baez
8. Bryant
28. Edwards
36. Almora
41. Soler
87. Pierce Johnson
100. Alcantara
Hoping history doesn't repeat itself... (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApDc5PGsBzgVdDRwRU9PMXp3MV9mMERXek16N0s4WHc&hl=en#gid=12)
2. Corey Patterson
17. Juan Cruz
22. Hee Seop Choi
37. Ben Christiansen
68. Carlos Zambrano
73. Luis Montanez
You people have fucking problems.
Huey was expressing a hope. What's wrong with that?
I realize I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth. I just couldn't resist trolling Pen's optimism. I am optimistic about Epstein's regime getting this franchise on the right track; but at the same time I confess to being a little weary about these fancy statfaggy prospect projections, the flameouts of the 2001 prospects (Zambrano excepted) leaving me a little scarred. In the end, I'm subverting my skepticism to Theo dongchuggery.
You know that was 13 years ago, right?
Under a totally different regime?
Also, 4 of those 6 guys in 2001 played fairly significant roles on a team that was 5 outs from the World Series two years later.
Admittedly, Juan Cruz's significant role was mostly to be shitty sit in the bullpen while Baker kept Prior out there with a 10 run lead.
Still bittered.
Quote from: Fork on February 20, 2014, 11:58:41 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 11:39:48 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 20, 2014, 10:45:53 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 20, 2014, 10:32:35 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 10:28:47 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 20, 2014, 10:21:10 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 10:07:20 AM
Baseball America's top 100 prospects released last night. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-baseball-america-top-100-prospects-free/)
5. Baez
8. Bryant
28. Edwards
36. Almora
41. Soler
87. Pierce Johnson
100. Alcantara
Hoping history doesn't repeat itself... (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApDc5PGsBzgVdDRwRU9PMXp3MV9mMERXek16N0s4WHc&hl=en#gid=12)
2. Corey Patterson
17. Juan Cruz
22. Hee Seop Choi
37. Ben Christiansen
68. Carlos Zambrano
73. Luis Montanez
You people have fucking problems.
Huey was expressing a hope. What's wrong with that?
I realize I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth. I just couldn't resist trolling Pen's optimism. I am optimistic about Epstein's regime getting this franchise on the right track; but at the same time I confess to being a little weary about these fancy statfaggy prospect projections, the flameouts of the 2001 prospects (Zambrano excepted) leaving me a little scarred. In the end, I'm subverting my skepticism to Theo dongchuggery.
You know that was 13 years ago, right?
Under a totally different regime?
Also, 4 of those 6 guys in 2001 played fairly significant roles on a team that was 5 outs from the World Series two years later.
Admittedly, Juan Cruz's significant role was mostly to be shitty sit in the bullpen while Baker kept Prior out there with a 10 run lead.
Still bittered.
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/awesome_screenshot/4005192?AWSAccessKeyId=0R7FMW7AXRVCYMAPTPR2&Expires=1392919988&Signature=iMDyIk17EXGz2Vh1XwFqmD%2FTHbs%3D)
Sorry Apex.
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 11:39:48 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 20, 2014, 10:45:53 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 20, 2014, 10:32:35 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 10:28:47 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 20, 2014, 10:21:10 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 10:07:20 AM
Baseball America's top 100 prospects released last night. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-baseball-america-top-100-prospects-free/)
5. Baez
8. Bryant
28. Edwards
36. Almora
41. Soler
87. Pierce Johnson
100. Alcantara
Hoping history doesn't repeat itself... (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApDc5PGsBzgVdDRwRU9PMXp3MV9mMERXek16N0s4WHc&hl=en#gid=12)
2. Corey Patterson
17. Juan Cruz
22. Hee Seop Choi
37. Ben Christiansen
68. Carlos Zambrano
73. Luis Montanez
You people have fucking problems.
Huey was expressing a hope. What's wrong with that?
I realize I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth. I just couldn't resist trolling Pen's optimism. I am optimistic about Epstein's regime getting this franchise on the right track; but at the same time I confess to being a little weary about these fancy statfaggy prospect projections, the flameouts of the 2001 prospects (Zambrano excepted) leaving me a little scarred. In the end, I'm subverting my skepticism to Theo dongchuggery.
You know that was 13 years ago, right?
Under a totally different regime?
Also, 4 of those 6 guys in 2001 played fairly significant roles on a team that was 5 outs from the World Series two years later.
Admittedly, Juan Cruz's significant role was mostly to be shitty.
Boy that's really a stretch.
Choi was opening day first baseman but contributed basically nothing to the team's success after getting bonked on the head in the legendary Wood/Clemens interleague game...in June. He accrued 71 Plate Appearances the rest of the way as his position was manned by Eric Karros and Randall Simon the last 3 months of the season.
Pattersons' season ended in July 6th, and his position was manned by Kenny Lofton.
Cruz made a whopping
nine appearances from June 1st through the end of the year after having been banished out of the rotation in favor of pitchers who
didn't suck. He also hurled a whole inning against Atlanta in the postseason.
I think it's fair to say, in fact, that had centerfield been manned by Patterson--who was probably due for a regression similar to the one he
did enjoy in September of 2004--and 1st base by Choi, rather than Lofton and Karros/Simon respctively, that the Cubs would
not have made the playoffs (let alone come with 5 outs of the pennant)
And the difference in regime and distance in years has nothing to do with this. It's about the evaluation of prospects regardless of who was credited with developing said prospects, the point about BA refining their evaluation process since 2001 being a far more cogent point to bring up as a rebuttal than the specious points you bring up.
Quote from: PANK! on February 20, 2014, 12:11:50 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 11:39:48 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 20, 2014, 10:45:53 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 20, 2014, 10:32:35 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 10:28:47 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 20, 2014, 10:21:10 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 10:07:20 AM
Baseball America's top 100 prospects released last night. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-baseball-america-top-100-prospects-free/)
5. Baez
8. Bryant
28. Edwards
36. Almora
41. Soler
87. Pierce Johnson
100. Alcantara
Hoping history doesn't repeat itself... (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApDc5PGsBzgVdDRwRU9PMXp3MV9mMERXek16N0s4WHc&hl=en#gid=12)
2. Corey Patterson
17. Juan Cruz
22. Hee Seop Choi
37. Ben Christiansen
68. Carlos Zambrano
73. Luis Montanez
You people have fucking problems.
Huey was expressing a hope. What's wrong with that?
I realize I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth. I just couldn't resist trolling Pen's optimism. I am optimistic about Epstein's regime getting this franchise on the right track; but at the same time I confess to being a little weary about these fancy statfaggy prospect projections, the flameouts of the 2001 prospects (Zambrano excepted) leaving me a little scarred. In the end, I'm subverting my skepticism to Theo dongchuggery.
You know that was 13 years ago, right?
Under a totally different regime?
Also, 4 of those 6 guys in 2001 played fairly significant roles on a team that was 5 outs from the World Series two years later.
Admittedly, Juan Cruz's significant role was mostly to be shitty.
Boy that's really a stretch.
Choi was opening day first baseman but contributed basically nothing to the team's success after getting bonked on the head in the legendary Wood/Clemens interleague game...in June. He accrued 71 Plate Appearances the rest of the way as his position was manned by Eric Karros and Randall Simon the last 3 months of the season.
Pattersons' season ended in July 6th, and his position was manned by Kenny Lofton.
Cruz made a whopping nine appearances from June 1st through the end of the year after having been banished out of the rotation in favor of pitchers who didn't suck. He also hurled a whole inning against Atlanta in the postseason.
I think it's fair to say, in fact, that had centerfield been manned by Patterson--who was probably due for a regression similar to the one he did enjoy in September of 2004--and 1st base by Choi, rather than Lofton and Karros/Simon respctively, that the Cubs would not have made the playoffs (let alone come with 5 outs of the pennant)
And the difference in regime and distance in years has nothing to do with this. It's about the evaluation of prospects regardless of who was credited with developing said prospects, the point about BA refining their evaluation process since 2001 being a far more cogent point to bring up as a rebuttal than the specious points you bring up.
Be honest - how much of that was from memory?
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 12:13:38 PM
Quote from: PANK! on February 20, 2014, 12:11:50 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 11:39:48 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 20, 2014, 10:45:53 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 20, 2014, 10:32:35 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 10:28:47 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 20, 2014, 10:21:10 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 10:07:20 AM
Baseball America's top 100 prospects released last night. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-baseball-america-top-100-prospects-free/)
5. Baez
8. Bryant
28. Edwards
36. Almora
41. Soler
87. Pierce Johnson
100. Alcantara
Hoping history doesn't repeat itself... (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApDc5PGsBzgVdDRwRU9PMXp3MV9mMERXek16N0s4WHc&hl=en#gid=12)
2. Corey Patterson
17. Juan Cruz
22. Hee Seop Choi
37. Ben Christiansen
68. Carlos Zambrano
73. Luis Montanez
You people have fucking problems.
Huey was expressing a hope. What's wrong with that?
I realize I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth. I just couldn't resist trolling Pen's optimism. I am optimistic about Epstein's regime getting this franchise on the right track; but at the same time I confess to being a little weary about these fancy statfaggy prospect projections, the flameouts of the 2001 prospects (Zambrano excepted) leaving me a little scarred. In the end, I'm subverting my skepticism to Theo dongchuggery.
You know that was 13 years ago, right?
Under a totally different regime?
Also, 4 of those 6 guys in 2001 played fairly significant roles on a team that was 5 outs from the World Series two years later.
Admittedly, Juan Cruz's significant role was mostly to be shitty.
Boy that's really a stretch.
Choi was opening day first baseman but contributed basically nothing to the team's success after getting bonked on the head in the legendary Wood/Clemens interleague game...in June. He accrued 71 Plate Appearances the rest of the way as his position was manned by Eric Karros and Randall Simon the last 3 months of the season.
Pattersons' season ended in July 6th, and his position was manned by Kenny Lofton.
Cruz made a whopping nine appearances from June 1st through the end of the year after having been banished out of the rotation in favor of pitchers who didn't suck. He also hurled a whole inning against Atlanta in the postseason.
I think it's fair to say, in fact, that had centerfield been manned by Patterson--who was probably due for a regression similar to the one he did enjoy in September of 2004--and 1st base by Choi, rather than Lofton and Karros/Simon respctively, that the Cubs would not have made the playoffs (let alone come with 5 outs of the pennant)
And the difference in regime and distance in years has nothing to do with this. It's about the evaluation of prospects regardless of who was credited with developing said prospects, the point about BA refining their evaluation process since 2001 being a far more cogent point to bring up as a rebuttal than the specious points you bring up.
Be honest - how much of that was from memory?
Well I had to look up July 6th for Patterson's last game, the precise number of appearances Cruz made the last half of the season, and Choi's 71 PA's. Other than that, my memory tells me none of those guys besides Zambrano did a damn thing to put that team within 5 outs of the pennant.
Well, Choi and Patterson getting injured led to the Cubs using (or acquiring) Karros, Lofton, and Simon. Choi and Patterson accept your apologies
Quote from: Yeti on February 20, 2014, 12:25:21 PM
Well, Choi and Patterson getting injured led to the Cubs using (or acquiring) Karros, Lofton, Aramis, and Simon. Choi and Patterson accept your apologies
Lest you forget.
Quote from: ChuckD on February 20, 2014, 12:34:08 PM
Quote from: Yeti on February 20, 2014, 12:25:21 PM
Well, Choi and Patterson getting injured led to the Cubs using (or acquiring) Karros, Lofton, Aramis, and Simon. Choi and Patterson accept your apologies
Lest you forget.
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Quote from: Yeti on February 20, 2014, 12:25:21 PM
Well, Choi and Patterson getting injured led to the Cubs using (or acquiring) Karros, Lofton, and Simon. Choi and Patterson accept your apologies
And it kept Hendry employed leading to the fun of 2007 and 2008.
Which, outside of Z decking Barrett, really weren't fun at all.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 20, 2014, 01:57:06 PM
Quote from: Yeti on February 20, 2014, 12:25:21 PM
Well, Choi and Patterson getting injured led to the Cubs using (or acquiring) Karros, Lofton, and Simon. Choi and Patterson accept your apologies
And it kept Hendry employed leading to the fun of 2007 and 2008.
Which, outside of Z decking Barrett, really weren't fun at all.
Certainly not fun like the closing weeks of 2004, right?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 20, 2014, 01:57:06 PM
Quote from: Yeti on February 20, 2014, 12:25:21 PM
Well, Choi and Patterson getting injured led to the Cubs using (or acquiring) Karros, Lofton, and Simon. Choi and Patterson accept your apologies
And it kept Hendry employed leading to the fun of 2007 and 2008.
Which, outside of Z decking Barrett, really weren't fun at all.
I kind of enjoyed watching the Cubs win 97 games in 2008, but I can only speak for myself.
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Quote from: Yeti on February 20, 2014, 12:25:21 PM
Well, Choi and Patterson getting injured led to the Cubs using (or acquiring) Karros, Lofton, and Simon. Choi and Patterson accept your apologies
And it kept Hendry employed leading to the fun of 2007 and 2008.
Which, outside of Z decking Barrett, really weren't fun at all.
I kind of enjoyed watching the Cubs win 97 games in 2008, but I can only speak for myself.
"Kind of" is right. But shitting the bed in pursuit of a 98th win really left a stank.
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Quote from: Yeti on February 20, 2014, 12:25:21 PM
Well, Choi and Patterson getting injured led to the Cubs using (or acquiring) Karros, Lofton, and Simon. Choi and Patterson accept your apologies
And it kept Hendry employed leading to the fun of 2007 and 2008.
Which, outside of Z decking Barrett, really weren't fun at all.
I kind of enjoyed watching the Cubs win 97 games in 2008, but I can only speak for myself.
"Kind of" is right. But shitting the bed in pursuit of a 98th win really left a stank.
I don't even remotely understand what Chuck is getting at.
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Quote from: Yeti on February 20, 2014, 12:25:21 PM
Well, Choi and Patterson getting injured led to the Cubs using (or acquiring) Karros, Lofton, and Simon. Choi and Patterson accept your apologies
And it kept Hendry employed leading to the fun of 2007 and 2008.
Which, outside of Z decking Barrett, really weren't fun at all.
I kind of enjoyed watching the Cubs win 97 games in 2008, but I can only speak for myself.
"Kind of" is right. But shitting the bed in pursuit of a 98th win really left a stank.
I don't even remotely understand what Chuck is getting at.
Apparently we can't even enjoy playoff seasons if they result in playoff nut punches, so being a Cub fan is officially a 100% joyless death march. Which I'm not surprised is a thing Chuck endorses.
To be fair to Chuck, that was a particularly joyless postseason, particularly given the fact that the Cubs were officially - by five fucking games - the best team in the NL that year. They were THIRTEEN games better than the Dodgers, and went down without so much as a whimper, scoring but six fucking runs in the process. I'm not going to pretend I enjoyed any of that.
Quote from: Tonker on February 20, 2014, 02:52:38 PM
To be fair to Chuck, that was a particularly joyless postseason, particularly given the fact that the Cubs were officially - by five fucking games - the best team in the NL that year. They were THIRTEEN games better than the Dodgers, and went down without so much as a whimper, scoring but six fucking runs in the process. I'm not going to pretend I enjoyed any of that.
You enjoyed April through September.
Quote from: Slaky on February 20, 2014, 02:53:06 PM
Quote from: Tonker on February 20, 2014, 02:52:38 PM
To be fair to Chuck, that was a particularly joyless postseason, particularly given the fact that the Cubs were officially - by five fucking games - the best team in the NL that year. They were THIRTEEN games better than the Dodgers, and went down without so much as a whimper, scoring but six fucking runs in the process. I'm not going to pretend I enjoyed any of that.
You enjoyed April through September.
I certainly did. It was fucking great.
Quote from: Tonker on February 20, 2014, 02:52:38 PM
To be fair to Chuck, that was a particularly joyless postseason, particularly given the fact that the Cubs were officially - by five fucking games - the best team in the NL that year. They were THIRTEEN games better than the Dodgers, and went down without so much as a whimper, scoring but six fucking runs in the process. I'm not going to pretend I enjoyed any of that.
The Brewers beat out the fucking Mets by a goddamn game. The Cubs would have absolutely curbstomped the fucking Mets.
Quote from: Fork on February 20, 2014, 02:57:41 PM
Quote from: Tonker on February 20, 2014, 02:52:38 PM
To be fair to Chuck, that was a particularly joyless postseason, particularly given the fact that the Cubs were officially - by five fucking games - the best team in the NL that year. They were THIRTEEN games better than the Dodgers, and went down without so much as a whimper, scoring but six fucking runs in the process. I'm not going to pretend I enjoyed any of that.
The Brewers beat out the fucking Mets by a goddamn game. The Cubs would have absolutely curbstomped the fucking Mets.
I actually remember being angry when the Cubs didn't play their starters against the Brewers. I really, really wanted a playoff series against the Mets, because they had no pitching.
Quote from: SKO on February 20, 2014, 02:45:31 PM
Apparently we can't even enjoy playoff seasons if they result in playoff nut punches, so being a Cub fan is officially a 100% joyless death march. Which I'm not surprised is a thing Chuck endorses.
I'm done with having fond memories of seasons that end with nut punches. I've seen them go to the playoffs 6 times, win one series and exit the postseason all 6 times on three game losing streaks. Championship or I really don't care anymore.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 20, 2014, 03:09:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 20, 2014, 02:45:31 PM
Apparently we can't even enjoy playoff seasons if they result in playoff nut punches, so being a Cub fan is officially a 100% joyless death march. Which I'm not surprised is a thing Chuck endorses.
I'm done with having fond memories of seasons that end with nut punches. I've seen them go to the playoffs 6 times, win one series and exit the postseason all 6 times on three game losing streaks. Championship or I really don't care anymore.
So, you're not going to watch until October?
Can you put that officially in writing somewhere and promise on it?
Quote from: Tonker on February 20, 2014, 02:52:38 PM
To be fair to Chuck, that was a particularly joyless postseason, particularly given the fact that the Cubs were officially - by five fucking games - the best team in the NL that year. They were THIRTEEN games better than the Dodgers, and went down without so much as a whimper, scoring but six fucking runs in the process. I'm not going to pretend I enjoyed any of that.
I was at Game 1 of that NLDS. The place was a library. It got a little loud when DeRosa homered, then silent when Loney went yard. We left as Maddux came in to close out the game. The next night, no one wanted to catch the ball. When they got to LA, I barely wanted to watch.
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 03:10:47 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 20, 2014, 03:09:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 20, 2014, 02:45:31 PM
Apparently we can't even enjoy playoff seasons if they result in playoff nut punches, so being a Cub fan is officially a 100% joyless death march. Which I'm not surprised is a thing Chuck endorses.
I'm done with having fond memories of seasons that end with nut punches. I've seen them go to the playoffs 6 times, win one series and exit the postseason all 6 times on three game losing streaks. Championship or I really don't care anymore.
So, you're not going to watch until October?
Can you put that officially in writing somewhere and promise on it?
Check out the big optimism on Pen! You a sunny, motherfucker, that's right.
Quote from: ChuckD on February 20, 2014, 03:41:31 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 03:10:47 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 20, 2014, 03:09:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 20, 2014, 02:45:31 PM
Apparently we can't even enjoy playoff seasons if they result in playoff nut punches, so being a Cub fan is officially a 100% joyless death march. Which I'm not surprised is a thing Chuck endorses.
I'm done with having fond memories of seasons that end with nut punches. I've seen them go to the playoffs 6 times, win one series and exit the postseason all 6 times on three game losing streaks. Championship or I really don't care anymore.
So, you're not going to watch until October?
Can you put that officially in writing somewhere and promise on it?
Check out the big optimism on Pen! You a sunny, motherfucker, that's right.
I wasn't referring to this year, specifically.
I meant until they win the World Series and Chuck can finally count 1 season as a success.
I assume after they win it all, he'll have a 2-year grace period before every season looks like a failure again.
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 03:52:44 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on February 20, 2014, 03:41:31 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 03:10:47 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 20, 2014, 03:09:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 20, 2014, 02:45:31 PM
Apparently we can't even enjoy playoff seasons if they result in playoff nut punches, so being a Cub fan is officially a 100% joyless death march. Which I'm not surprised is a thing Chuck endorses.
I'm done with having fond memories of seasons that end with nut punches. I've seen them go to the playoffs 6 times, win one series and exit the postseason all 6 times on three game losing streaks. Championship or I really don't care anymore.
So, you're not going to watch until October?
Can you put that officially in writing somewhere and promise on it?
Check out the big optimism on Pen! You a sunny, motherfucker, that's right.
I wasn't referring to this year, specifically.
I meant until they win the World Series and Chuck can finally count 1 season as a success.
I assume after they win it all, he'll have a 2-year grace period before every season looks like a failure again.
Ahem.
Quote from: ChuckD on February 20, 2014, 03:41:31 PM
Check out the big optimism on Pen! You a sunny, motherfucker, that's right.
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Quote from: ChuckD on February 20, 2014, 03:41:31 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 03:10:47 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 20, 2014, 03:09:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 20, 2014, 02:45:31 PM
Apparently we can't even enjoy playoff seasons if they result in playoff nut punches, so being a Cub fan is officially a 100% joyless death march. Which I'm not surprised is a thing Chuck endorses.
I'm done with having fond memories of seasons that end with nut punches. I've seen them go to the playoffs 6 times, win one series and exit the postseason all 6 times on three game losing streaks. Championship or I really don't care anymore.
So, you're not going to watch until October?
Can you put that officially in writing somewhere and promise on it?
Check out the big optimism on Pen! You a sunny, motherfucker, that's right.
I wasn't referring to this year, specifically.
I meant until they win the World Series and Chuck can finally count 1 season as a success.
I assume after they win it all, he'll have a 2-year grace period before every season looks like a failure again.
Ahem.
Quote from: ChuckD on February 20, 2014, 03:41:31 PM
Check out the big optimism on Pen! You a sunny, motherfucker, that's right.
I was referring to AFTER they knock off five World Series in a row from 2016-2020.
2022? Chuck's gonna be a huge bitch again.
Every time I think Chuck has Chucked the Chuckiest Chuck, he goes and Chucks like this.
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 03:52:44 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on February 20, 2014, 03:41:31 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 03:10:47 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 20, 2014, 03:09:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 20, 2014, 02:45:31 PM
Apparently we can't even enjoy playoff seasons if they result in playoff nut punches, so being a Cub fan is officially a 100% joyless death march. Which I'm not surprised is a thing Chuck endorses.
I'm done with having fond memories of seasons that end with nut punches. I've seen them go to the playoffs 6 times, win one series and exit the postseason all 6 times on three game losing streaks. Championship or I really don't care anymore.
So, you're not going to watch until October?
Can you put that officially in writing somewhere and promise on it?
Check out the big optimism on Pen! You a sunny, motherfucker, that's right.
I wasn't referring to this year, specifically.
I meant until they win the World Series and Chuck can finally count 1 season as a success.
I assume after they win it all, he'll have a 2-year grace period before every season looks like a failure again.
You mean anything less than a sweep with 4 different Cubs throwing perfect games. Then he'll point out that they were hiding their awful, awful bullpen.
Quote from: Fork on February 20, 2014, 04:18:07 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 03:52:44 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on February 20, 2014, 03:41:31 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 03:10:47 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 20, 2014, 03:09:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 20, 2014, 02:45:31 PM
Apparently we can't even enjoy playoff seasons if they result in playoff nut punches, so being a Cub fan is officially a 100% joyless death march. Which I'm not surprised is a thing Chuck endorses.
I'm done with having fond memories of seasons that end with nut punches. I've seen them go to the playoffs 6 times, win one series and exit the postseason all 6 times on three game losing streaks. Championship or I really don't care anymore.
So, you're not going to watch until October?
Can you put that officially in writing somewhere and promise on it?
Check out the big optimism on Pen! You a sunny, motherfucker, that's right.
I wasn't referring to this year, specifically.
I meant until they win the World Series and Chuck can finally count 1 season as a success.
I assume after they win it all, he'll have a 2-year grace period before every season looks like a failure again.
You mean anything less than a sweep with 4 different Cubs throwing perfect games. Then he'll point out that they were hiding their awful, awful bullpen.
Stupid Juan Cruz.
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 04:24:13 PM
Quote from: Fork on February 20, 2014, 04:18:07 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 03:52:44 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on February 20, 2014, 03:41:31 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 03:10:47 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 20, 2014, 03:09:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 20, 2014, 02:45:31 PM
Apparently we can't even enjoy playoff seasons if they result in playoff nut punches, so being a Cub fan is officially a 100% joyless death march. Which I'm not surprised is a thing Chuck endorses.
I'm done with having fond memories of seasons that end with nut punches. I've seen them go to the playoffs 6 times, win one series and exit the postseason all 6 times on three game losing streaks. Championship or I really don't care anymore.
So, you're not going to watch until October?
Can you put that officially in writing somewhere and promise on it?
Check out the big optimism on Pen! You a sunny, motherfucker, that's right.
I wasn't referring to this year, specifically.
I meant until they win the World Series and Chuck can finally count 1 season as a success.
I assume after they win it all, he'll have a 2-year grace period before every season looks like a failure again.
You mean anything less than a sweep with 4 different Cubs throwing perfect games. Then he'll point out that they were hiding their awful, awful bullpen.
Stupid Juan Cruz.
And... scene.
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 03:58:52 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on February 20, 2014, 03:54:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 03:52:44 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on February 20, 2014, 03:41:31 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2014, 03:10:47 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 20, 2014, 03:09:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 20, 2014, 02:45:31 PM
Apparently we can't even enjoy playoff seasons if they result in playoff nut punches, so being a Cub fan is officially a 100% joyless death march. Which I'm not surprised is a thing Chuck endorses.
I'm done with having fond memories of seasons that end with nut punches. I've seen them go to the playoffs 6 times, win one series and exit the postseason all 6 times on three game losing streaks. Championship or I really don't care anymore.
So, you're not going to watch until October?
Can you put that officially in writing somewhere and promise on it?
Check out the big optimism on Pen! You a sunny, motherfucker, that's right.
I wasn't referring to this year, specifically.
I meant until they win the World Series and Chuck can finally count 1 season as a success.
I assume after they win it all, he'll have a 2-year grace period before every season looks like a failure again.
Ahem.
Quote from: ChuckD on February 20, 2014, 03:41:31 PM
Check out the big optimism on Pen! You a sunny, motherfucker, that's right.
I was referring to AFTER they knock off five World Series in a row from 2016-2020.
2022? Chuck's gonna be a huge bitch again.
And that's after they right the Ryno wrong in the 2015-2016 offseason.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 20, 2014, 03:12:27 PM
Quote from: Tonker on February 20, 2014, 02:52:38 PM
To be fair to Chuck, that was a particularly joyless postseason, particularly given the fact that the Cubs were officially - by five fucking games - the best team in the NL that year. They were THIRTEEN games better than the Dodgers, and went down without so much as a whimper, scoring but six fucking runs in the process. I'm not going to pretend I enjoyed any of that.
I was at Game 1 of that NLDS. The place was a library. It got a little loud when DeRosa homered, then silent when Loney went yard. We left as Maddux came in to close out the game. The next night, no one wanted to catch the ball. When they got to LA, I barely wanted to watch.
Try being at Game 3 in LA. By the fifth inning, I was doing everything in my power to cover up the Cubs shirt I was wearing. That I was able to escape the parking lot unscathed still confounds me to this day.
Also, Fuck Manny.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on February 25, 2014, 12:29:26 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 20, 2014, 03:12:27 PM
Quote from: Tonker on February 20, 2014, 02:52:38 PM
To be fair to Chuck, that was a particularly joyless postseason, particularly given the fact that the Cubs were officially - by five fucking games - the best team in the NL that year. They were THIRTEEN games better than the Dodgers, and went down without so much as a whimper, scoring but six fucking runs in the process. I'm not going to pretend I enjoyed any of that.
I was at Game 1 of that NLDS. The place was a library. It got a little loud when DeRosa homered, then silent when Loney went yard. We left as Maddux came in to close out the game. The next night, no one wanted to catch the ball. When they got to LA, I barely wanted to watch.
Try being at Game 3 in LA. By the fifth inning, I was doing everything in my power to cover up the Cubs shirt I was wearing. That I was able to escape the parking lot unscathed still confounds me to this day.
Also, Fuck Manny.
I was at Game 3 in 2007. Rich Hill shit the bed on the first pitch. By the 5th inning, we were on the upper deck balcony drinking and ignoring the game. With about half of the rest of the upper deck.
That said, I do have a fond memory from that year: Z nearly killing Barrett.
For all my Korey and Soriano bile, I think I hated Michael Barrett more than any other Cub ever.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 25, 2014, 12:57:24 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on February 25, 2014, 12:29:26 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 20, 2014, 03:12:27 PM
Quote from: Tonker on February 20, 2014, 02:52:38 PM
To be fair to Chuck, that was a particularly joyless postseason, particularly given the fact that the Cubs were officially - by five fucking games - the best team in the NL that year. They were THIRTEEN games better than the Dodgers, and went down without so much as a whimper, scoring but six fucking runs in the process. I'm not going to pretend I enjoyed any of that.
I was at Game 1 of that NLDS. The place was a library. It got a little loud when DeRosa homered, then silent when Loney went yard. We left as Maddux came in to close out the game. The next night, no one wanted to catch the ball. When they got to LA, I barely wanted to watch.
Try being at Game 3 in LA. By the fifth inning, I was doing everything in my power to cover up the Cubs shirt I was wearing. That I was able to escape the parking lot unscathed still confounds me to this day.
Also, Fuck Manny.
I was at Game 3 in 2007. Rich Hill shit the bed on the first pitch. By the 5th inning, we were on the upper deck balcony drinking and ignoring the game. With about half of the rest of the upper deck.
That said, I do have a fond memory from that year: Z nearly killing Barrett.
For all my Korey and Soriano bile, I think I hated Michael Barrett more than any other Cub ever.
I was at that game as well. Kicked out after the DeRosa double play because I spent the next half inning screaming obscenities at Jock Jones.
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Quote from: Gilgamesh on February 25, 2014, 12:29:26 PM
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Quote from: Tonker on February 20, 2014, 02:52:38 PM
To be fair to Chuck, that was a particularly joyless postseason, particularly given the fact that the Cubs were officially - by five fucking games - the best team in the NL that year. They were THIRTEEN games better than the Dodgers, and went down without so much as a whimper, scoring but six fucking runs in the process. I'm not going to pretend I enjoyed any of that.
I was at Game 1 of that NLDS. The place was a library. It got a little loud when DeRosa homered, then silent when Loney went yard. We left as Maddux came in to close out the game. The next night, no one wanted to catch the ball. When they got to LA, I barely wanted to watch.
Try being at Game 3 in LA. By the fifth inning, I was doing everything in my power to cover up the Cubs shirt I was wearing. That I was able to escape the parking lot unscathed still confounds me to this day.
Also, Fuck Manny.
I was at Game 3 in 2007. Rich Hill shit the bed on the first pitch. By the 5th inning, we were on the upper deck balcony drinking and ignoring the game. With about half of the rest of the upper deck.
That said, I do have a fond memory from that year: Z nearly killing Barrett.
For all my Korey and Soriano bile, I think I hated Michael Barrett more than any other Cub ever.
I was at that game as well. Kicked out after the DeRosa double play because I spent the next half inning screaming obscenities at Jock Jones.
I was at Game 1 that year, about 10,000 feet up in the air at the BOB.
Sadly, the highlight of the game was Ronnie Woo-Woo showing up in the 8th to rally the fans in the upper deck.
I was there when Stargell hit the homer off Phil Regan...
I was there when Marc Trestman elected to have his team attempt a 47 yard field goal on second down in Overtime.
Quote from: PANK! on February 25, 2014, 01:45:28 PM
I was there when Marc Trestman elected to have his team attempt a 47 yard field goal on second down in Overtime.
Trestman still asks why you unfriended him.
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I was there when Marc Trestman elected to have his team attempt a 47 yard field goal on second down in Overtime.
I was there when Jay Cutler tore his MCL then sported a dour countenance while Caleb Hanie threw a pick six to a 400-lb lineman.
Fuck my life. Fuck it in it's dour face.
Quote from: Fork on February 25, 2014, 01:17:43 PM
I was there when Stargell hit the homer off Phil Regan...
I was there in ought3 when "Wrong-Way" Harrigan hit a squibber to second that had so much back spin that when it landed in front of Hasfelder he couldn't get a glove on it and it squirted past Magpie Mulligan who was playing shortstop that day because Hollerin' Hollister was out with a sprained groin that he got when dismounting his horseless carriage on the wrong side anyway old Wrong-way who was right handed got confused and was batting out of the left hander's batting box which is maybe why he didn't get much wood on the ball and took off on a straight line to third which is why after that they called him "Wrong-side" but the paper guy, "One-finger" Telander who we called that cause that's the way he used his new fangled writing machine, got it wrong and wrote "Wrong-way", and anyway "Blind-bat" Onstetter was umpiring that day and as you know he hit the bottle pretty hard so he calls "Wrong-way" safe on a close play at third while "Big-nose" Barnburner who was the runner at second all this time gets half way to third but sees "Wrong-way" tearing up the third base line, I woulda' said tearin' down be seein' as he was comin' as it were the wrong way I gotta say "up" so Barnburner turns around and heads back to first and then of course to home and since no one ever done that before no one is payin' attention to him and he comes across the plate and Blind-bat who by this time prolly realizes something is wrong decides he might as well be consistent so he calls Branburner safe with the winning run and that is how the Orphans won the pennant.
I was there when Dusty Baker had Mark Prior throw 7 innings and 116 pitches in Game 2 of the '03 NLDS in which the Cubs led 11-0 after 5 innings (and 12-2 after 6)
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Quote from: Fork on February 25, 2014, 01:17:43 PM
I was there when Stargell hit the homer off Phil Regan...
I was there in ought3 when "Wrong-Way" Harrigan hit a squibber to second that had so much back spin that when it landed in front of Hasfelder he couldn't get a glove on it and it squirted past Magpie Mulligan who was playing shortstop that day because Hollerin' Hollister was out with a sprained groin that he got when dismounting his horseless carriage on the wrong side anyway old Wrong-way who was right handed got confused and was batting out of the left hander's batting box which is maybe why he didn't get much wood on the ball and took off on a straight line to third which is why after that they called him "Wrong-side" but the paper guy, "One-finger" Telander who we called that cause that's the way he used his new fangled writing machine, got it wrong and wrote "Wrong-way", and anyway "Blind-bat" Onstetter was umpiring that day and as you know he hit the bottle pretty hard so he calls "Wrong-way" safe on a close play at third while "Big-nose" Barnburner who was the runner at second all this time gets half way to third but sees "Wrong-way" tearing up the third base line, I woulda' said tearin' down be seein' as he was comin' as it were the wrong way I gotta say "up" so Barnburner turns around and heads back to first and then of course to home and since no one ever done that before no one is payin' attention to him and he comes across the plate and Blind-bat who by this time prolly realizes something is wrong decides he might as well be consistent so he calls Branburner safe with the winning run and that is how the Orphans won the pennant.
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Quote from: PenFoe on February 25, 2014, 02:09:56 PM
Quote from: CBStew on February 25, 2014, 02:05:56 PM
Quote from: Fork on February 25, 2014, 01:17:43 PM
I was there when Stargell hit the homer off Phil Regan...
I was there in ought3 when "Wrong-Way" Harrigan hit a squibber to second that had so much back spin that when it landed in front of Hasfelder he couldn't get a glove on it and it squirted past Magpie Mulligan who was playing shortstop that day because Hollerin' Hollister was out with a sprained groin that he got when dismounting his horseless carriage on the wrong side anyway old Wrong-way who was right handed got confused and was batting out of the left hander's batting box which is maybe why he didn't get much wood on the ball and took off on a straight line to third which is why after that they called him "Wrong-side" but the paper guy, "One-finger" Telander who we called that cause that's the way he used his new fangled writing machine, got it wrong and wrote "Wrong-way", and anyway "Blind-bat" Onstetter was umpiring that day and as you know he hit the bottle pretty hard so he calls "Wrong-way" safe on a close play at third while "Big-nose" Barnburner who was the runner at second all this time gets half way to third but sees "Wrong-way" tearing up the third base line, I woulda' said tearin' down be seein' as he was comin' as it were the wrong way I gotta say "up" so Barnburner turns around and heads back to first and then of course to home and since no one ever done that before no one is payin' attention to him and he comes across the plate and Blind-bat who by this time prolly realizes something is wrong decides he might as well be consistent so he calls Branburner safe with the winning run and that is how the Orphans won the pennant.
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-moZPHPlAS4Q/T7UH-B_uhuI/AAAAAAAAAJ0/ZfCdezEtXzw/s1600/crazies.gif)
DPD.
Less of Vogelbach (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/cubs-prospect-dan-vogelbach-trims-down-for-larger-role?ymd=20140225&content_id=68312236&vkey=news_mlb) this season.
Quote from: PANK! on February 25, 2014, 02:09:15 PM
I was there when Dusty Baker had Mark Prior throw 7 innings and 116 pitches in Game 2 of the '03 NLDS in which the Cubs led 11-0 after 5 innings (and 12-2 after 6)
I was also there
Quote from: Slaky on February 25, 2014, 03:55:10 PM
Quote from: PANK! on February 25, 2014, 02:09:15 PM
I was there when Dusty Baker had Mark Prior throw 7 innings and 116 pitches in Game 2 of the '03 NLDS in which the Cubs led 11-0 after 5 innings (and 12-2 after 6)
I was also there
So was Juan Cruz.
Quote from: Fork on February 25, 2014, 04:09:43 PM
Quote from: Slaky on February 25, 2014, 03:55:10 PM
Quote from: PANK! on February 25, 2014, 02:09:15 PM
I was there when Dusty Baker had Mark Prior throw 7 innings and 116 pitches in Game 2 of the '03 NLDS in which the Cubs led 11-0 after 5 innings (and 12-2 after 6)
I was also there
So was Juan Cruz.
He was sitting next to me just under the scoreboard in center.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 25, 2014, 04:45:07 PM
Quote from: Fork on February 25, 2014, 04:09:43 PM
Quote from: Slaky on February 25, 2014, 03:55:10 PM
Quote from: PANK! on February 25, 2014, 02:09:15 PM
I was there when Dusty Baker had Mark Prior throw 7 innings and 116 pitches in Game 2 of the '03 NLDS in which the Cubs led 11-0 after 5 innings (and 12-2 after 6)
I was also there
So was Juan Cruz.
He was sitting next to me just under the scoreboard in center.
That was actually his son Raoul, from his first marriage.
I was there for this misery. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2002/playoffs/news/2002/01/19/eagles_bears_ap/) And this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Michigan_State_vs._Northwestern_football_game).
Quote from: Sterling Archer on February 25, 2014, 05:41:38 PM
I was there for this misery. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2002/playoffs/news/2002/01/19/eagles_bears_ap/) And this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Michigan_State_vs._Northwestern_football_game).
I went to all of University of California's home games last season
Quote from: CBStew on February 25, 2014, 06:02:26 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on February 25, 2014, 05:41:38 PM
I was there for this misery. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2002/playoffs/news/2002/01/19/eagles_bears_ap/) And this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Michigan_State_vs._Northwestern_football_game).
I went to all of University of California's home games last season
The first one wasn't that bad.
Quote from: CBStew on February 25, 2014, 06:02:26 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on February 25, 2014, 05:41:38 PM
I was there for this misery. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2002/playoffs/news/2002/01/19/eagles_bears_ap/) And this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Michigan_State_vs._Northwestern_football_game).
I went to all of University of California's home games last season
I laughed.
I was at the three NLCS games in Hollywood, FL in '03. That 24 hour drive home was fun.
I had 6 tickets to the May 6th. 1998 Cubs game.
I was really busy at work that day and it was supposed to rain so I gave 4 of them away to a clerk that worked for one of our brokers.
For free.
The other 2 went unused.
He and his three idiot friends were from the south side.
So I gave 4 tickets away to that game to a bunch of White Sox fans and I didn't even get to go.
There is a special circle in Hell waiting for me.
Quote from: flannj on February 25, 2014, 09:34:16 PM
I had 6 tickets to the May 6th. 1998 Cubs game.
I was really busy at work that day and it was supposed to rain so I gave 4 of them away to a clerk that worked for one of our brokers.
For free.
The other 2 went unused.
He and his three idiot friends were from the south side.
So I gave 4 tickets away to that game to a bunch of White Sox fans and I didn't even get to go.
There is a special circle in Hell waiting for me.
According to my records Tom Glavine didn't make history at Wrigley that day so I'm not sure what you're going on about.
Quote from: Oleg on February 25, 2014, 08:08:16 PM
I was at the three NLCS games in Hollywood, FL in '03. That 24 hour drive home was fun.
You may have been in Hollywood or you were at Joe Robbie/Pro Player/Sun Life/ Yadda Yadda Stadium, which is in North Miami Beach. (I grew up in Hollywood).
Quote from: thehawk on February 26, 2014, 05:12:38 PM
Quote from: Oleg on February 25, 2014, 08:08:16 PM
I was at the three NLCS games in Hollywood, FL in '03. That 24 hour drive home was fun.
You may have been in Hollywood or you were at Joe Robbie/Pro Player/Sun Life/ Yadda Yadda Stadium, which is in North Miami Beach. (I grew up in Hollywood).
Maybe the hotel was in Hollywood. I don't remember much. I was also very drunk and very not paying attention to the Zambrano game as I was making out with a chick I met the night before. No way they could lose two in a row at home with Prior and Wood pitching, right?
Quote from: Oleg on February 27, 2014, 09:31:06 AM
Quote from: thehawk on February 26, 2014, 05:12:38 PM
Quote from: Oleg on February 25, 2014, 08:08:16 PM
I was at the three NLCS games in Hollywood, FL in '03. That 24 hour drive home was fun.
You may have been in Hollywood or you were at Joe Robbie/Pro Player/Sun Life/ Yadda Yadda Stadium, which is in North Miami Beach. (I grew up in Hollywood).
Maybe the hotel was in Hollywood. I don't remember much. I was also very drunk and very not paying attention to the Zambrano game as I was making out with a chick I met the night before. No way they could lose two in a row at home with Prior and Wood pitching, right?
Femoleg!
The Cubs are Jason Parks' (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=22906) second-best farm system in the game.
1. Minnesota
2. Chicago CubsQuote
Farm System Ranking in 2013: 12
2014 Top Ten Prospects: Link (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=22641)
State of the System: Thanks to a strong draft, clever trades, an aggressive acquisition plan in the international market, and developmental progress from some of the big names in the system, the Cubs became one of the strongest systems in the game.
Top Prospect: Javier Baez (4)
Breakout Candidates for 2014: Jeimer Candelario and Paul Blackburn
Prospects on the BP 101: 7
Must-See Affiliate: Double-A Tennessee
Prospects to See There: Kris Bryant, Albert Almora, Jorge Soler, CJ Edwards, Pierce Johnson, Dan Vogelbach
Farm System Trajectory for 2015: Up. While its likely that several of the Cubs' top prospects will get a taste of the majors in 2014, the majority of the talent will remain eligible for next season's list, and if you add to the mix a high draft pick this June and an extreme amount of young depth ready to make their stateside debuts, the system could take over the coveted rank of number one in baseball.
3. Pittsburgh
4. Boston
5. Houston
6. St. Louis
7. Kansas City
8. New York Mets
9. Texas
10. Colorado
16. Cincinnati
21. White Sox
29. Milwaukee
I'm not buying Almora and Vogelbach both starting the year in AA.
Quote from: Fork on February 27, 2014, 01:53:32 PM
I'm not buying Almora and Vogelbach both starting the year in AA.
Quote
Note: Players mentioned in the "Prospects To See There" sections aren't necessarily starting the season at the "Must-See Affiliate." However, they may appear there at some point in 2014.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on February 27, 2014, 02:40:25 PM
Quote from: Fork on February 27, 2014, 01:53:32 PM
I'm not buying Almora and Vogelbach both starting the year in AA.
Quote
Note: Players mentioned in the "Prospects To See There" sections aren't necessarily starting the season at the "Must-See Affiliate." However, they may appear there at some point in 2014.
Thanks. Link was blocked.
I'm still hoping Rock Shoulders somehow rises up in the rankings, because Rock Shoulders.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on February 27, 2014, 01:36:09 PM
The Cubs are Jason Parks' (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=22906) second-best farm system in the game.
1. Minnesota
2. Chicago Cubs
Quote
Farm System Ranking in 2013: 12
2014 Top Ten Prospects: Link (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=22641)
State of the System: Thanks to a strong draft, clever trades, an aggressive acquisition plan in the international market, and developmental progress from some of the big names in the system, the Cubs became one of the strongest systems in the game.
Top Prospect: Javier Baez (4)
Breakout Candidates for 2014: Jeimer Candelario and Paul Blackburn
Prospects on the BP 101: 7
Must-See Affiliate: Double-A Tennessee
Prospects to See There: Kris Bryant, Albert Almora, Jorge Soler, CJ Edwards, Pierce Johnson, Dan Vogelbach
Farm System Trajectory for 2015: Up. While its likely that several of the Cubs' top prospects will get a taste of the majors in 2014, the majority of the talent will remain eligible for next season's list, and if you add to the mix a high draft pick this June and an extreme amount of young depth ready to make their stateside debuts, the system could take over the coveted rank of number one in baseball.
3. Pittsburgh
4. Boston
5. Houston
6. St. Louis
7. Kansas City
8. New York Mets
9. Texas
10. Colorado
16. Cincinnati
21. White Sox
29. Milwaukee
Milwaukee is absolutely fucked.
Quote from: Tonker on February 27, 2014, 03:22:30 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on February 27, 2014, 01:36:09 PM
The Cubs are Jason Parks' (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=22906) second-best farm system in the game.
1. Minnesota
2. Chicago Cubs
Quote
Farm System Ranking in 2013: 12
2014 Top Ten Prospects: Link (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=22641)
State of the System: Thanks to a strong draft, clever trades, an aggressive acquisition plan in the international market, and developmental progress from some of the big names in the system, the Cubs became one of the strongest systems in the game.
Top Prospect: Javier Baez (4)
Breakout Candidates for 2014: Jeimer Candelario and Paul Blackburn
Prospects on the BP 101: 7
Must-See Affiliate: Double-A Tennessee
Prospects to See There: Kris Bryant, Albert Almora, Jorge Soler, CJ Edwards, Pierce Johnson, Dan Vogelbach
Farm System Trajectory for 2015: Up. While its likely that several of the Cubs' top prospects will get a taste of the majors in 2014, the majority of the talent will remain eligible for next season's list, and if you add to the mix a high draft pick this June and an extreme amount of young depth ready to make their stateside debuts, the system could take over the coveted rank of number one in baseball.
3. Pittsburgh
4. Boston
5. Houston
6. St. Louis
7. Kansas City
8. New York Mets
9. Texas
10. Colorado
16. Cincinnati
21. White Sox
29. Milwaukee
Milwaukee is absolutely fucked.
(http://www.millerparkdrunk.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/braun4.jpg)
Quote from: Fork on February 27, 2014, 03:08:44 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on February 27, 2014, 02:40:25 PM
Quote from: Fork on February 27, 2014, 01:53:32 PM
I'm not buying Almora and Vogelbach both starting the year in AA.
Quote
Note: Players mentioned in the "Prospects To See There" sections aren't necessarily starting the season at the "Must-See Affiliate." However, they may appear there at some point in 2014.
Thanks. Link was blocked.
I'm still hoping Rock Shoulders somehow rises up in the rankings, because Rock Shoulders.
I believe that is "Rock, scissors, paper"
Quote from: CBStew on February 27, 2014, 04:07:09 PM
Quote from: Fork on February 27, 2014, 03:08:44 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on February 27, 2014, 02:40:25 PM
Quote from: Fork on February 27, 2014, 01:53:32 PM
I'm not buying Almora and Vogelbach both starting the year in AA.
Quote
Note: Players mentioned in the "Prospects To See There" sections aren't necessarily starting the season at the "Must-See Affiliate." However, they may appear there at some point in 2014.
Thanks. Link was blocked.
I'm still hoping Rock Shoulders somehow rises up in the rankings, because Rock Shoulders.
I believe that is "Rock, scissors, paper"
/Storck Joke
Quote from: PenFoe on February 27, 2014, 04:00:24 PM
Quote from: Tonker on February 27, 2014, 03:22:30 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on February 27, 2014, 01:36:09 PM
The Cubs are Jason Parks' (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=22906) second-best farm system in the game.
1. Minnesota
2. Chicago Cubs
Quote
Farm System Ranking in 2013: 12
2014 Top Ten Prospects: Link (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=22641)
State of the System: Thanks to a strong draft, clever trades, an aggressive acquisition plan in the international market, and developmental progress from some of the big names in the system, the Cubs became one of the strongest systems in the game.
Top Prospect: Javier Baez (4)
Breakout Candidates for 2014: Jeimer Candelario and Paul Blackburn
Prospects on the BP 101: 7
Must-See Affiliate: Double-A Tennessee
Prospects to See There: Kris Bryant, Albert Almora, Jorge Soler, CJ Edwards, Pierce Johnson, Dan Vogelbach
Farm System Trajectory for 2015: Up. While its likely that several of the Cubs' top prospects will get a taste of the majors in 2014, the majority of the talent will remain eligible for next season's list, and if you add to the mix a high draft pick this June and an extreme amount of young depth ready to make their stateside debuts, the system could take over the coveted rank of number one in baseball.
3. Pittsburgh
4. Boston
5. Houston
6. St. Louis
7. Kansas City
8. New York Mets
9. Texas
10. Colorado
16. Cincinnati
21. White Sox
29. Milwaukee
Milwaukee is absolutely fucked.
(http://www.millerparkdrunk.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/braun4.jpg)
Surprisingly enough you can still buy this shit. (http://www.rock-rebel.com/m-104-remetee.aspx) The page says it's authentic LA (Louisiana?) culture, vomited onto a shirt. I think the female models on the page might...might get away with wearing it but that's about it.
Quote from: Tonker on February 27, 2014, 03:22:30 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on February 27, 2014, 01:36:09 PM
The Cubs are Jason Parks' (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=22906) second-best farm system in the game.
1. Minnesota
2. Chicago Cubs
Quote
Farm System Ranking in 2013: 12
2014 Top Ten Prospects: Link (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=22641)
State of the System: Thanks to a strong draft, clever trades, an aggressive acquisition plan in the international market, and developmental progress from some of the big names in the system, the Cubs became one of the strongest systems in the game.
Top Prospect: Javier Baez (4)
Breakout Candidates for 2014: Jeimer Candelario and Paul Blackburn
Prospects on the BP 101: 7
Must-See Affiliate: Double-A Tennessee
Prospects to See There: Kris Bryant, Albert Almora, Jorge Soler, CJ Edwards, Pierce Johnson, Dan Vogelbach
Farm System Trajectory for 2015: Up. While its likely that several of the Cubs' top prospects will get a taste of the majors in 2014, the majority of the talent will remain eligible for next season's list, and if you add to the mix a high draft pick this June and an extreme amount of young depth ready to make their stateside debuts, the system could take over the coveted rank of number one in baseball.
3. Pittsburgh
4. Boston
5. Houston
6. St. Louis
7. Kansas City
8. New York Mets
9. Texas
10. Colorado
16. Cincinnati
21. White Sox
29. Milwaukee
Milwaukee is absolutely fucked.
Yeah, but the Cardinals keep stocking their pond, and they've managed to not have to bury any pitchers for a while.
SPLOOOOOOOOOSH. (http://m.mlb.com/video/v31404685/chclaa-bryant-goes-deep-in-the-seventh/?game_pk=396305) And why Darwin Barney's HR is featured on the Cubs' home page and not this one is beyond me.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on February 28, 2014, 05:35:06 PM
SPLOOOOOOOOOSH. (http://m.mlb.com/video/v31404685/chclaa-bryant-goes-deep-in-the-seventh/?game_pk=396305) And why Darwin Barney's HR is featured on the Cubs' home page and not this one is beyond me.
Probably because the odds of Barney hitting a home run against a major league pitcher are so much lower.
Quote from: Bort on March 01, 2014, 09:42:35 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on February 28, 2014, 05:35:06 PM
SPLOOOOOOOOOSH. (http://m.mlb.com/video/v31404685/chclaa-bryant-goes-deep-in-the-seventh/?game_pk=396305) And why Darwin Barney's HR is featured on the Cubs' home page and not this one is beyond me.
Probably because the odds of Barney hitting a home run against a "major" league pitcher are so much lower.
Brett Moran and Jarrett Grube'd
Quote from: ChuckD on March 01, 2014, 11:47:38 AM
Quote from: Bort on March 01, 2014, 09:42:35 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on February 28, 2014, 05:35:06 PM
SPLOOOOOOOOOSH. (http://m.mlb.com/video/v31404685/chclaa-bryant-goes-deep-in-the-seventh/?game_pk=396305) And why Darwin Barney's HR is featured on the Cubs' home page and not this one is beyond me.
Probably because the odds of Barney hitting a home run against a "major" league pitcher are so much lower.
Brett Moran and Jarrett Grube'd
Damn it, stop letting facts get in the way of my Barney hate.
Parks says stuff: (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/chat/chat.php?chatId=1125)
Quote
Baez has the best bat speed I've seen since I started evaluating talent at the minor league level, and it might be some of the best bat speed I've seen period. It's violent—no doubt—and I'm not always sold that he can control the bat after he triggers. But when he unsheathes that weapon and it finds the ball, the cowhide screams in what I believe to both ecstasy and agony.
Quote from: Fork on March 03, 2014, 01:40:26 PM
Parks says stuff: (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/chat/chat.php?chatId=1125)
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Baez has the best bat speed I've seen since I started evaluating talent at the minor league level, and it might be some of the best bat speed I've seen period. It's violent—no doubt—and I'm not always sold that he can control the bat after he triggers. But when he unsheathes that weapon and it finds the ball, the cowhide screams in what I believe to both ecstasy and agony.
I think Parks knows his stuff pretty well, but I just can't handle him on Twitter with all of his weird hashtags and homoeroticism. Nice to see him here be a little more normal in this chat.
Quote from: Eli on March 03, 2014, 01:50:34 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 03, 2014, 01:40:26 PM
Parks says stuff: (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/chat/chat.php?chatId=1125)
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Baez has the best bat speed I've seen since I started evaluating talent at the minor league level, and it might be some of the best bat speed I've seen period. It's violent—no doubt—and I'm not always sold that he can control the bat after he triggers. But when he unsheathes that weapon and it finds the ball, the cowhide screams in what I believe to both ecstasy and agony.
I think Parks knows his stuff pretty well, but I just can't handle him on Twitter with all of his weird hashtags and homoeroticism. Nice to see him here be a little more normal in this chat.
And here I was about to comment on the suggestive nature of "unsheathes that weapon" and "screams in ... ecstasy and agony."
Quote from: ChuckD on March 03, 2014, 01:58:06 PM
Quote from: Eli on March 03, 2014, 01:50:34 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 03, 2014, 01:40:26 PM
Parks says stuff: (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/chat/chat.php?chatId=1125)
Quote
Baez has the best bat speed I've seen since I started evaluating talent at the minor league level, and it might be some of the best bat speed I've seen period. It's violent—no doubt—and I'm not always sold that he can control the bat after he triggers. But when he unsheathes that weapon and it finds the ball, the cowhide screams in what I believe to both ecstasy and agony.
I think Parks knows his stuff pretty well, but I just can't handle him on Twitter with all of his weird hashtags and homoeroticism. Nice to see him here be a little more normal in this chat.
And here I was about to comment on the suggestive nature of "unsheathes that weapon" and "screams in ... ecstasy and agony."
Exactly. It's all relative.
Quote from: Eli on March 03, 2014, 02:32:06 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on March 03, 2014, 01:58:06 PM
Quote from: Eli on March 03, 2014, 01:50:34 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 03, 2014, 01:40:26 PM
Parks says stuff: (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/chat/chat.php?chatId=1125)
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Baez has the best bat speed I've seen since I started evaluating talent at the minor league level, and it might be some of the best bat speed I've seen period. It's violent—no doubt—and I'm not always sold that he can control the bat after he triggers. But when he unsheathes that weapon and it finds the ball, the cowhide screams in what I believe to both ecstasy and agony.
I think Parks knows his stuff pretty well, but I just can't handle him on Twitter with all of his weird hashtags and homoeroticism. Nice to see him here be a little more normal in this chat.
And here I was about to comment on the suggestive nature of "unsheathes that weapon" and "screams in ... ecstasy and agony."
Exactly. It's all relative.
Hard to be more into dicks than that
Splooge. (http://m.mlb.com/video/v31426641/)
Quote from: PANK! on March 03, 2014, 04:19:29 PM
Splooge. (http://m.mlb.com/video/v31426641/)
Scouting report: Baez crushes fastballs out over the heart of the plate.
Quote from: PANK! on March 03, 2014, 04:19:29 PM
Splooge. (http://m.mlb.com/video/v31426641/)
Don't think that pitcher can get by with such a relatively straight fastball.
Also, from the same game: fielding splooge (http://m.mlb.com/video/v31426427/chcmil-baez-races-for-overtheshoulder-catch/?game_pk=396347).
This is more of Parks, but I'm having a hard time not getting hysterical after reading it.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=22949
Quote from: Eli on March 04, 2014, 09:17:28 AM
This is more of Parks, but I'm having a hard time not getting hysterical after reading it.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=22949
You know what? For a guy writing up prospects on a site that is laid out like an instruction manual I think Parks is a pretty good read. Maybe all the weirdness comes from him trying to make writing about prospects fun. I think he succeeds.
More importantly, this Baez stuff is scary. I mean what if he really is the next great MLB hitter? I heard someone on MLB radio say he, at 2B, would project to be a Carlos Baerga. I mean, Baerga was good for about 5 years and really good for maybe 2. But he wasn't a superstar. And no one really talks about him anymore. If Baez ends up as a Baerga I will probably disappointed.
Quote from: Slaky on March 04, 2014, 09:31:11 AM
Quote from: Eli on March 04, 2014, 09:17:28 AM
This is more of Parks, but I'm having a hard time not getting hysterical after reading it.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=22949
You know what? For a guy writing up prospects on a site that is laid out like an instruction manual I think Parks is a pretty good read. Maybe all the weirdness comes from him trying to make writing about prospects fun. I think he succeeds.
More importantly, this Baez stuff is scary. I mean what if he really is the next great MLB hitter? I heard someone on MLB radio say he, at 2B, would project to be a Carlos Baerga. I mean, Baerga was good for about 5 years and really good for maybe 2. But he wasn't a superstar. And no one really talks about him anymore. If Baez ends up as a Baerga I will probably disappointed.
Baerga seems like a terrible comparison considering he hit 20 homers just twice.
Quote from: Eli on March 04, 2014, 09:39:20 AM
Quote from: Slaky on March 04, 2014, 09:31:11 AM
Quote from: Eli on March 04, 2014, 09:17:28 AM
This is more of Parks, but I'm having a hard time not getting hysterical after reading it.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=22949
You know what? For a guy writing up prospects on a site that is laid out like an instruction manual I think Parks is a pretty good read. Maybe all the weirdness comes from him trying to make writing about prospects fun. I think he succeeds.
More importantly, this Baez stuff is scary. I mean what if he really is the next great MLB hitter? I heard someone on MLB radio say he, at 2B, would project to be a Carlos Baerga. I mean, Baerga was good for about 5 years and really good for maybe 2. But he wasn't a superstar. And no one really talks about him anymore. If Baez ends up as a Baerga I will probably disappointed.
Baerga seems like a terrible comparison considering he hit 20 homers just twice.
Well, it's partially due to their shared skin color.
Baez is Ryne. Full stop
Quote from: Eli on March 04, 2014, 09:17:28 AM
This is more of Parks, but I'm having a hard time not getting hysterical after reading it.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=22949
On Baez: "But when he unsheathes that weapon and it finds the ball, the cowhide screams in what I believe to both ecstasy and agony."
(||)
Quote from: Slaky on March 04, 2014, 09:31:11 AM
Quote from: Eli on March 04, 2014, 09:17:28 AM
This is more of Parks, but I'm having a hard time not getting hysterical after reading it.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=22949
You know what? For a guy writing up prospects on a site that is laid out like an instruction manual I think Parks is a pretty good read. Maybe all the weirdness comes from him trying to make writing about prospects fun. I think he succeeds.
More importantly, this Baez stuff is scary. I mean what if he really is the next great MLB hitter? I heard someone on MLB radio say he, at 2B, would project to be a Carlos Baerga. I mean, Baerga was good for about 5 years and really good for maybe 2. But he wasn't a superstar. And no one really talks about him anymore. If Baez ends up as a Baerga I will probably disappointed.
I came away from this article more excited at the prospects of Almora and Bryant than Baez. Those two guys are going to be on-base machines.
Quote from: Yeti on March 04, 2014, 09:44:06 AM
Quote from: Eli on March 04, 2014, 09:39:20 AM
Quote from: Slaky on March 04, 2014, 09:31:11 AM
Quote from: Eli on March 04, 2014, 09:17:28 AM
This is more of Parks, but I'm having a hard time not getting hysterical after reading it.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=22949
You know what? For a guy writing up prospects on a site that is laid out like an instruction manual I think Parks is a pretty good read. Maybe all the weirdness comes from him trying to make writing about prospects fun. I think he succeeds.
More importantly, this Baez stuff is scary. I mean what if he really is the next great MLB hitter? I heard someone on MLB radio say he, at 2B, would project to be a Carlos Baerga. I mean, Baerga was good for about 5 years and really good for maybe 2. But he wasn't a superstar. And no one really talks about him anymore. If Baez ends up as a Baerga I will probably disappointed.
Baerga seems like a terrible comparison considering he hit 20 homers just twice.
Well, it's partially due to their shared skin color.
Baez is Ryne. Full stop
A
Latin Ryne?
Quote from: Tonker on March 04, 2014, 09:44:34 AM
Quote from: Eli on March 04, 2014, 09:17:28 AM
This is more of Parks, but I'm having a hard time not getting hysterical after reading it.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=22949
On Baez: "But when he unsheathes that weapon and it finds the ball, the cowhide screams in what I believe to both ecstasy and agony."
(||)
Quote from: ChuckD on March 03, 2014, 01:58:06 PM
Quote from: Eli on March 03, 2014, 01:50:34 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 03, 2014, 01:40:26 PM
Parks says stuff: (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/chat/chat.php?chatId=1125)
Quote
Baez has the best bat speed I've seen since I started evaluating talent at the minor league level, and it might be some of the best bat speed I've seen period. It's violent—no doubt—and I'm not always sold that he can control the bat after he triggers. But when he unsheathes that weapon and it finds the ball, the cowhide screams in what I believe to both ecstasy and agony.
I think Parks knows his stuff pretty well, but I just can't handle him on Twitter with all of his weird hashtags and homoeroticism. Nice to see him here be a little more normal in this chat.
And here I was about to comment on the suggestive nature of "unsheathes that weapon" and "screams in ... ecstasy and agony."
Good work, everyone.
Quote from: Tonker on March 04, 2014, 09:44:34 AM
Quote from: Eli on March 04, 2014, 09:17:28 AM
This is more of Parks, but I'm having a hard time not getting hysterical after reading it.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=22949
On Baez: "But when he unsheathes that weapon and it finds the ball, the cowhide screams in what I believe to both ecstasy and agony."
(||)
The whole to both?
Quote from: Fork on March 04, 2014, 10:25:13 AM
Quote from: Slaky on March 04, 2014, 09:31:11 AM
Quote from: Eli on March 04, 2014, 09:17:28 AM
This is more of Parks, but I'm having a hard time not getting hysterical after reading it.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=22949
You know what? For a guy writing up prospects on a site that is laid out like an instruction manual I think Parks is a pretty good read. Maybe all the weirdness comes from him trying to make writing about prospects fun. I think he succeeds.
More importantly, this Baez stuff is scary. I mean what if he really is the next great MLB hitter? I heard someone on MLB radio say he, at 2B, would project to be a Carlos Baerga. I mean, Baerga was good for about 5 years and really good for maybe 2. But he wasn't a superstar. And no one really talks about him anymore. If Baez ends up as a Baerga I will probably disappointed.
I came away from this article more excited at the prospects of Almora and Bryant than Baez. Those two guys are going to be on-base machines.
Too soon for a My Colt sploogefest?
Quote from: CBStew on March 04, 2014, 04:58:50 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 04, 2014, 10:25:13 AM
Quote from: Slaky on March 04, 2014, 09:31:11 AM
Quote from: Eli on March 04, 2014, 09:17:28 AM
This is more of Parks, but I'm having a hard time not getting hysterical after reading it.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=22949
You know what? For a guy writing up prospects on a site that is laid out like an instruction manual I think Parks is a pretty good read. Maybe all the weirdness comes from him trying to make writing about prospects fun. I think he succeeds.
More importantly, this Baez stuff is scary. I mean what if he really is the next great MLB hitter? I heard someone on MLB radio say he, at 2B, would project to be a Carlos Baerga. I mean, Baerga was good for about 5 years and really good for maybe 2. But he wasn't a superstar. And no one really talks about him anymore. If Baez ends up as a Baerga I will probably disappointed.
I came away from this article more excited at the prospects of Almora and Bryant than Baez. Those two guys are going to be on-base machines.
Too soon for a My Colt sploogefest?
(http://www-deadline-com.vimg.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Jack-Huston-as-Richard-Harrow-216x300.jpg)
Probably.
Mike Olt still sucks
Quote from: Slaky on March 05, 2014, 10:15:52 AMMike Olt still sucks
Take your FUTUREFLACCID cynicism elsewhere, pal. This is the thread for tumescence.
Quote from: R-V on March 05, 2014, 10:48:24 AM
Quote from: Slaky on March 05, 2014, 10:15:52 AMMike Olt still sucks
Take your FUTUREFLACCID cynicism elsewhere, pal. This is the thread for tumescence.
Yeah. MIKE OLT! makes us all harder than Chinese Algebra.
Quote from: Fork on March 05, 2014, 11:28:50 AM
Quote from: R-V on March 05, 2014, 10:48:24 AM
Quote from: Slaky on March 05, 2014, 10:15:52 AMMike Olt still sucks
Take your FUTUREFLACCID cynicism elsewhere, pal. This is the thread for tumescence.
Yeah. MIKE OLT! makes us all harder than Chinese Algebra.
"algebrassieres"
Maybe too early for his own thread, but C.J. Edwards looked good in Tennessee. Guys at the game on teh Twits pretty much all said the hitters he faced were overmatched.
Quote from: Fork on April 05, 2014, 11:11:59 AM
Maybe too early for his own thread, but C.J. Edwards looked good in Tennessee. Guys at the game on teh Twits pretty much all said the hitters he faced were overmatched.
Self-quoting douche.
After 4 starts (20.2 IP) 20K 8BB, 1.06 WHIP 2.61 ERA.
Also in AA, a guy none of us has ever mentioned named Armando Rivero is closing. 6 games (8.1 IP) 16K, 2BB.
Quote from: Fork on April 22, 2014, 04:03:38 PM
Quote from: Fork on April 05, 2014, 11:11:59 AM
Maybe too early for his own thread, but C.J. Edwards looked good in Tennessee. Guys at the game on teh Twits pretty much all said the hitters he faced were overmatched.
Self-quoting douche.
After 4 starts (20.2 IP) 20K 8BB, 1.06 WHIP 2.61 ERA.
Also in AA, a guy none of us has ever mentioned named Armando Rivero is closing. 6 games (8.1 IP) 16K, 2BB.
With Sale's latest injury I have this unreal fear of talented SPs going down with arm injuries. It's been an epidemic this year. I'm excited for CJ Edwards to explode all over the field. Can't wait.
Quote from: Slaky on April 22, 2014, 04:43:11 PM
Quote from: Fork on April 22, 2014, 04:03:38 PM
Quote from: Fork on April 05, 2014, 11:11:59 AM
Maybe too early for his own thread, but C.J. Edwards looked good in Tennessee. Guys at the game on teh Twits pretty much all said the hitters he faced were overmatched.
Self-quoting douche.
After 4 starts (20.2 IP) 20K 8BB, 1.06 WHIP 2.61 ERA.
Also in AA, a guy none of us has ever mentioned named Armando Rivero is closing. 6 games (8.1 IP) 16K, 2BB.
With Sale's latest injury I have this unreal fear of talented SPs going down with arm injuries. It's been an epidemic this year. I'm excited for CJ Edwards to explode all over the field. Can't wait.
(http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/11/01/10/2363926/11/628x471.jpg)
After 70 plate appearances, Albert Almora and me are tied for walks. Yay?
Quote from: Yukon Cornelius on April 24, 2014, 08:09:32 AM
After 70 plate appearances, Albert Almora and me are tied for walks. Yay?
Shut up Paul, you're a douche.
Quote from: Yukon Cornelius on April 24, 2014, 08:09:32 AM
After 70 plate appearances, Albert Almora and me are tied for walks. Yay?
Yeah, walks aren't really his thing. Just a 3.8% walk rate after 490 plate appearances. He'll probably get better as he learns, as Baez did. Although Almora doesn't have soul-crushing power like Baez to scare pitchers off.
The organization as a whole is a bit bereft of high-OBP guys, which is odd given the front office's Moneyball roots. Besides Rizzo and Bryant, there aren't many guys who profile as potential OBP machines. Hopefully that's counteracted by all of the power guys in the system.
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2014, 09:13:52 AM
Quote from: Yukon Cornelius on April 24, 2014, 08:09:32 AM
After 70 plate appearances, Albert Almora and me are tied for walks. Yay?
Yeah, walks aren't really his thing. Just a 3.8% walk rate after 490 plate appearances. He'll probably get better as he learns, as Baez did. Although Almora doesn't have soul-crushing power like Baez to scare pitchers off.
The organization as a whole is a bit bereft of high-OBP guys, which is odd given the front office's Moneyball roots. Besides Rizzo and Bryant, there aren't many guys who profile as potential OBP machines. Hopefully that's counteracted by all of the power guys in the system.
It's all about playing percentages. I'm sure finding power hitters these days is harder than OBP, so Theo and them focus on that more than they have in the past.
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2014, 09:13:52 AM
Quote from: Yukon Cornelius on April 24, 2014, 08:09:32 AM
After 70 plate appearances, Albert Almora and me are tied for walks. Yay?
Yeah, walks aren't really his thing. Just a 3.8% walk rate after 490 plate appearances. He'll probably get better as he learns, as Baez did. Although Almora doesn't have soul-crushing power like Baez to scare pitchers off.
The organization as a whole is a bit bereft of high-OBP guys, which is odd given the front office's Moneyball roots. Besides Rizzo and Bryant, there aren't many guys who profile as potential OBP machines. Hopefully that's counteracted by all of the power guys in the system.
Maybe raw power is the new inefficiency.
Quote from: BH on April 24, 2014, 09:24:46 AM
I'm sure finding power hitters these days is harder than OBP
You're sure?
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on April 24, 2014, 09:30:07 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2014, 09:13:52 AM
Quote from: Yukon Cornelius on April 24, 2014, 08:09:32 AM
After 70 plate appearances, Albert Almora and me are tied for walks. Yay?
Yeah, walks aren't really his thing. Just a 3.8% walk rate after 490 plate appearances. He'll probably get better as he learns, as Baez did. Although Almora doesn't have soul-crushing power like Baez to scare pitchers off.
The organization as a whole is a bit bereft of high-OBP guys, which is odd given the front office's Moneyball roots. Besides Rizzo and Bryant, there aren't many guys who profile as potential OBP machines. Hopefully that's counteracted by all of the power guys in the system.
Maybe raw power is the new inefficiency.
DPD. Totally possible given how much power has declined around the game. Or it could just be that these are the guys the Cubs have wound up with so far, one way or another.
Sounds retarded, I know. But could it be that a player can learn plate discipline in the minor leagues? I know, no such thing has ever happened to a Cubs farmhand, but maybe that's a thing.
Corey Black threw a 6-inning no-hitter for the Smokies yesterday.
FYC.
DPD.
Neil Ramirez getting the call-up today.
#13 Prospect for the Cubs on some ranking I saw at some point this offseason.
The last piece of the Garza trade. 3 of the 4 guys they got are now on the major league roster (which isn't really saying much.)
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on April 24, 2014, 09:30:07 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2014, 09:13:52 AM
Quote from: Yukon Cornelius on April 24, 2014, 08:09:32 AM
After 70 plate appearances, Albert Almora and me are tied for walks. Yay?
Yeah, walks aren't really his thing. Just a 3.8% walk rate after 490 plate appearances. He'll probably get better as he learns, as Baez did. Although Almora doesn't have soul-crushing power like Baez to scare pitchers off.
The organization as a whole is a bit bereft of high-OBP guys, which is odd given the front office's Moneyball roots. Besides Rizzo and Bryant, there aren't many guys who profile as potential OBP machines. Hopefully that's counteracted by all of the power guys in the system.
Maybe raw power is the new inefficiency.
That's been speculated in many places. The theory is that with 'roid use down, power is in short supply. Theo is compiling power so as to have in-demand tradable pieces.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 24, 2014, 10:09:09 AM
Sounds retarded, I know. But could it be that a player can learn plate discipline in the minor leagues? I know, no such thing has ever happened to a Cubs farmhand, but maybe that's a thing.
Some probably will. Some probably won't. Almora is pretty good at making contact, so probably some of it has to do with the fact he puts the ball into play before he can draw a walk. I don't see much of a cause for concern with him yet.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 24, 2014, 10:16:17 AM
DPD.
Neil Ramirez getting the call-up today.
#13 Prospect for the Cubs on some ranking I saw at some point this offseason.
The last piece of the Garza trade. 3 of the 4 guys they got are now on the major league roster (which isn't really saying much.)
And then there's the 4th guy.
(http://tinyurl.com/kr44bwx)
If you're an MLB.tv subscriber you probably received an offer this morning for half off the MiLB.tv package. Better baseball for $25 is a hell of a deal.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 24, 2014, 12:40:35 PM
If you're an MLB.tv subscriber you probably received an offer this morning for half off the MiLB.tv package. Better baseball for $25 is a hell of a deal.
MiLB is not better baseball
Quote from: PenFoe on April 24, 2014, 11:57:48 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 24, 2014, 10:16:17 AM
DPD.
Neil Ramirez getting the call-up today.
#13 Prospect for the Cubs on some ranking I saw at some point this offseason.
The last piece of the Garza trade. 3 of the 4 guys they got are now on the major league roster (which isn't really saying much.)
And then there's the 4th guy.
(http://tinyurl.com/kr44bwx)
WEIRD
http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8211.msg274791#msg274791
Quote from: Yeti on April 24, 2014, 12:46:44 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 24, 2014, 12:40:35 PM
If you're an MLB.tv subscriber you probably received an offer this morning for half off the MiLB.tv package. Better baseball for $25 is a hell of a deal.
MiLB is not better baseball
I suspect it is for the Cubs.
Quote from: Bort on April 24, 2014, 05:04:34 PM
Quote from: Yeti on April 24, 2014, 12:46:44 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 24, 2014, 12:40:35 PM
If you're an MLB.tv subscriber you probably received an offer this morning for half off the MiLB.tv package. Better baseball for $25 is a hell of a deal.
MiLB is not better baseball
I suspect it is for the Cubs.
In case Yeti hasn't heard, the Cubs have a few prospects who may not actually be terrible. Might want to go back through this thread and brush up.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 24, 2014, 05:48:08 PM
Quote from: Bort on April 24, 2014, 05:04:34 PM
Quote from: Yeti on April 24, 2014, 12:46:44 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 24, 2014, 12:40:35 PM
If you're an MLB.tv subscriber you probably received an offer this morning for half off the MiLB.tv package. Better baseball for $25 is a hell of a deal.
MiLB is not better baseball
I suspect it is for the Cubs.
In case Yeti hasn't heard, the Cubs have a few prospects who may not actually be terrible. Might want to go back through this thread and brush up.
But they probably aren't as good at the present moment as the turds on the big club. More interesting, for sure. They probably win more games if that's the kind of thing you're into. But N8 Schierholtz would undoubtedly slug a bajillion at any level lower than the one he's currently producing a 1 WAR in.
But that's not why you called. I don't care to watch Minor League Baseball on my computer unless it's topless female Japanese minor league baseball.
Show me the highlights.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 25, 2014, 09:35:42 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 24, 2014, 05:48:08 PM
Quote from: Bort on April 24, 2014, 05:04:34 PM
Quote from: Yeti on April 24, 2014, 12:46:44 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 24, 2014, 12:40:35 PM
If you're an MLB.tv subscriber you probably received an offer this morning for half off the MiLB.tv package. Better baseball for $25 is a hell of a deal.
MiLB is not better baseball
I suspect it is for the Cubs.
In case Yeti hasn't heard, the Cubs have a few prospects who may not actually be terrible. Might want to go back through this thread and brush up.
But they probably aren't as good at the present moment as the turds on the big club. More interesting, for sure. They probably win more games if that's the kind of thing you're into. But N8 Schierholtz would undoubtedly slug a bajillion at any level lower than the one he's currently producing a 1 WAR in.
But that's not why you called. I don't care to watch Minor League Baseball on my computer unless it's topless female Japanese minor league baseball.
Show me the highlights.
What I really should have said is more watchable baseball. I'd rather watch Baez, Hendricks, Alcantara, Bryant, and company.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 25, 2014, 01:34:16 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 25, 2014, 09:35:42 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 24, 2014, 05:48:08 PM
Quote from: Bort on April 24, 2014, 05:04:34 PM
Quote from: Yeti on April 24, 2014, 12:46:44 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 24, 2014, 12:40:35 PM
If you're an MLB.tv subscriber you probably received an offer this morning for half off the MiLB.tv package. Better baseball for $25 is a hell of a deal.
MiLB is not better baseball
I suspect it is for the Cubs.
In case Yeti hasn't heard, the Cubs have a few prospects who may not actually be terrible. Might want to go back through this thread and brush up.
But they probably aren't as good at the present moment as the turds on the big club. More interesting, for sure. They probably win more games if that's the kind of thing you're into. But N8 Schierholtz would undoubtedly slug a bajillion at any level lower than the one he's currently producing a 1 WAR in.
But that's not why you called. I don't care to watch Minor League Baseball on my computer unless it's topless female Japanese minor league baseball.
Show me the highlights.
What I really should have said is more watchable baseball. I'd rather watch Baez, Hendricks, Alcantara, Bryant, and company.
More than likely all four of them will be up this year and definitely next year. So just exhibit some goddamn patience and go whack off or something.
I think we've settled it: Sterling is a stupid idiot for wanting to watch baseball sometimes.
Quote from: Eli on April 25, 2014, 01:47:40 PM
I think we've settled it: Sterling is a stupid idiot for wanting to watch baseball sometimes.
Finally, I have answers.
Quote from: Eli on April 25, 2014, 01:47:40 PM
I think we've settled it: Sterling is a stupid idiot for wanting to watch baseball sometimes.
I have to admit I am laughing at the fact that right now we're all proving the "Do you nerds even
watch the games" crowd right.
Quote from: Eli on April 25, 2014, 01:47:40 PM
I think we've settled it: Sterling is a stupid idiot for wanting to watch baseball sometimes.
Well that's certainly not what I'm saying. We're all Cubs fans so we're all stupid idiots.
Quote from: Slaky on April 25, 2014, 02:04:04 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 25, 2014, 01:47:40 PM
I think we've settled it: Sterling is a stupid idiot for wanting to watch baseball sometimes.
Well that's certainly not what I'm saying. We're all Cubs fans so we're all stupid idiots.
I'm not saying that either. I don't care what Sterling watches. My only point is that it was time to post. So I did what I had to do.
Quote from: Slaky on April 25, 2014, 02:04:04 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 25, 2014, 01:47:40 PM
I think we've settled it: Sterling is a stupid idiot for wanting to watch baseball sometimes.
Well that's certainly not what I'm saying. We're all Cubs fans so we're all stupid idiots.
No, I know. I was just amused that his innocent FYI about the MiLB TV package was met with such disdain.
Neil Ramirez doesn't look like what I would picture a Neil Ramirez to look like.
Quote from: Eli on April 25, 2014, 02:20:21 PM
Quote from: Slaky on April 25, 2014, 02:04:04 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 25, 2014, 01:47:40 PM
I think we've settled it: Sterling is a stupid idiot for wanting to watch baseball sometimes.
Well that's certainly not what I'm saying. We're all Cubs fans so we're all stupid idiots.
No, I know. I was just amused that his innocent FYI about the MiLB TV package was met with such disdain.
We need a good season.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 25, 2014, 03:03:20 PM
Neil Ramirez doesn't look like what I would picture a Neil Ramirez to look like.
I assume this is what you were expecting?
(http://thesunbreak.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Coco_web_image.jpeg)
Quote from: PenFoe on April 25, 2014, 03:46:12 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 25, 2014, 03:03:20 PM
Neil Ramirez doesn't look like what I would picture a Neil Ramirez to look like.
I assume this is what you were expecting?
Probably more like this:
(http://eatgrubbys.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/taco_sombrero1.jpg)
DPD.
Theo and Jed should probably tell Ricketts to stop talking (http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/there%E2%80%99s-no-%E2%80%98plan-b%E2%80%99-rebuilding-cubs).
QuoteKeteyian: "It's a roll of the dice in a lot of ways. Is there a Plan B if this doesn't work?"
Ricketts: "I'm not sure there is a Plan B."
Quote from: Eli on May 01, 2014, 09:56:16 AM
DPD.
Theo and Jed should probably tell Ricketts to stop talking (http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/there%E2%80%99s-no-%E2%80%98plan-b%E2%80%99-rebuilding-cubs).
QuoteKeteyian: "It's a roll of the dice in a lot of ways. Is there a Plan B if this doesn't work?"
Ricketts: "I'm not sure there is a Plan B."
What's he supposed to say? That when Bryant and Baez flop they'll spend a shit ton of money? That will only make the meatballs less patient for them to add to the payroll. It sounded like a vote of confidence in Theo and Plan A to me. And at this point in the process what else is he supposed to say or do?
Quote from: Tony on May 01, 2014, 12:30:30 PM
What's he supposed to say? That when Bryant and Baez flop they'll spend a shit ton of money? That will only make the meatballs less patient for them to add to the payroll. It sounded like a vote of confidence in Theo and Plan A to me. And at this point in the process what else is he supposed to say or do?
"Good organizations are always able to adapt. We're confident in our current path but if we ever need to adjust, we have the best front office in baseball to make those adjustments."
His quote makes them sound unprepared, naive and inflexible. Never something you want to hear, but especially not right now when 4 of the team's top 5 prospects have had such poor starts to their seasons.
Quote from: Eli on May 01, 2014, 12:45:37 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 01, 2014, 12:30:30 PM
What's he supposed to say? That when Bryant and Baez flop they'll spend a shit ton of money? That will only make the meatballs less patient for them to add to the payroll. It sounded like a vote of confidence in Theo and Plan A to me. And at this point in the process what else is he supposed to say or do?
"Good organizations are always able to adapt. We're confident in our current path but if we ever need to adjust, we have the best front office in baseball to make those adjustments."
His quote makes them sound unprepared, naive and inflexible. Never something you want to hear, but especially not right now when 4 of the team's top 5 prospects have had such poor starts to their seasons.
What's important is that we haven't had to talk Eli off the ledge in a good 7-10 days.
It was a good run.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 01, 2014, 12:49:00 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 01, 2014, 12:45:37 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 01, 2014, 12:30:30 PM
What's he supposed to say? That when Bryant and Baez flop they'll spend a shit ton of money? That will only make the meatballs less patient for them to add to the payroll. It sounded like a vote of confidence in Theo and Plan A to me. And at this point in the process what else is he supposed to say or do?
"Good organizations are always able to adapt. We're confident in our current path but if we ever need to adjust, we have the best front office in baseball to make those adjustments."
His quote makes them sound unprepared, naive and inflexible. Never something you want to hear, but especially not right now when 4 of the team's top 5 prospects have had such poor starts to their seasons.
What's important is that we haven't had to talk Eli off the ledge in a good 7-10 days.
It was a good run.
What we lost; what we never had.
Quote from: Eli on May 01, 2014, 12:45:37 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 01, 2014, 12:30:30 PM
What's he supposed to say? That when Bryant and Baez flop they'll spend a shit ton of money? That will only make the meatballs less patient for them to add to the payroll. It sounded like a vote of confidence in Theo and Plan A to me. And at this point in the process what else is he supposed to say or do?
"Good organizations are always able to adapt. We're confident in our current path but if we ever need to adjust, we have the best front office in baseball to make those adjustments."
His quote makes them sound unprepared, naive and inflexible. Never something you want to hear, but especially not right now when 4 of the team's top 5 prospects have had such poor starts to their seasons.
Yes. But the reality that most people get is that it's just Tom that's unprepared, naive and inflexible.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 01, 2014, 12:49:00 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 01, 2014, 12:45:37 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 01, 2014, 12:30:30 PM
What's he supposed to say? That when Bryant and Baez flop they'll spend a shit ton of money? That will only make the meatballs less patient for them to add to the payroll. It sounded like a vote of confidence in Theo and Plan A to me. And at this point in the process what else is he supposed to say or do?
"Good organizations are always able to adapt. We're confident in our current path but if we ever need to adjust, we have the best front office in baseball to make those adjustments."
His quote makes them sound unprepared, naive and inflexible. Never something you want to hear, but especially not right now when 4 of the team's top 5 prospects have had such poor starts to their seasons.
What's important is that we haven't had to talk Eli off the ledge in a good 7-10 days.
It was a good run.
I wouldn't say I'm on any sort of ledge, but I also don't think anyone has done anything to sway my general viewpoint.
Quote from: Eli on May 01, 2014, 12:45:37 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 01, 2014, 12:30:30 PM
What's he supposed to say? That when Bryant and Baez flop they'll spend a shit ton of money? That will only make the meatballs less patient for them to add to the payroll. It sounded like a vote of confidence in Theo and Plan A to me. And at this point in the process what else is he supposed to say or do?
"Good organizations are always able to adapt. We're confident in our current path but if we ever need to adjust, we have the best front office in baseball to make those adjustments."
His quote makes them sound unprepared, naive and inflexible. Never something you want to hear, but especially not right now when 4 of the team's top 5 prospects have had such poor starts to their seasons.
That sounds way worse than what Ricketts actually said because that's what every executive always says about anything ever.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 01, 2014, 02:31:46 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 01, 2014, 12:45:37 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 01, 2014, 12:30:30 PM
What's he supposed to say? That when Bryant and Baez flop they'll spend a shit ton of money? That will only make the meatballs less patient for them to add to the payroll. It sounded like a vote of confidence in Theo and Plan A to me. And at this point in the process what else is he supposed to say or do?
"Good organizations are always able to adapt. We're confident in our current path but if we ever need to adjust, we have the best front office in baseball to make those adjustments."
His quote makes them sound unprepared, naive and inflexible. Never something you want to hear, but especially not right now when 4 of the team's top 5 prospects have had such poor starts to their seasons.
That sounds way worse than what Ricketts actually said because that's what every executive always says about anything ever.
There's a reason for that.
Oh, for the love of Christ.
Here's the full quote found in Mooney's piece (and, who knows, tracking down the full interview he pulls this from might even offer
more context for the question and answer):
QuoteKeteyian: "It's a roll of the dice in a lot of ways. Is there a Plan B if this doesn't work?"
Ricketts: "I'm not sure there is a Plan B. The fact is, when you go to the free-agent market, it is basically like saying: 'We were unable to develop that player internally.' But there's no one big check. There's no one big guy. There's no magic button to hit in the free-agent market."
Ricketts isn't saying 'if this particular crop of prospects don't live up to the hype, we're plumb out of ideas.'
He seems to be expressing confidence that the way the Cubs are going about this rebuild is
the right way to do it. That's all. Expressing confidence in the Master Plan without muddying the waters with vague and useless hedging.
It's like you're actively looking for reasons to get worked up at this point, Eli.
That's so...
Chuck.
Meanwhile, what the fuck is Mooney on about anyways?
QuoteWhether or not you believe Epstein, general manager Jed Hoyer and their cronies are the smartest guys in baseball — the Dale Sveum firing, Edwin Jackson's $52 million contract and Ian Stewart's Twitter account created questions about management style and reading people...
My God, the sports media in this fucking town.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 01, 2014, 03:48:12 PM
Oh, for the love of Christ.
Here's the full quote found in Mooney's piece (and, who knows, tracking down the full interview he pulls this from might even offer more context for the question and answer):
QuoteKeteyian: "It's a roll of the dice in a lot of ways. Is there a Plan B if this doesn't work?"
Ricketts: "I'm not sure there is a Plan B. The fact is, when you go to the free-agent market, it is basically like saying: 'We were unable to develop that player internally.' But there's no one big check. There's no one big guy. There's no magic button to hit in the free-agent market."
Ricketts isn't saying 'if this particular crop of prospects don't live up to the hype, we're plumb out of ideas.'
He seems to be expressing confidence that the way the Cubs are going about this rebuild is the right way to do it. That's all. Expressing confidence in the Master Plan without muddying the waters with vague and useless hedging.
It's like you're actively looking for reasons to get worked up at this point, Eli.
That's so... Chuck.
That's fine if you read it that way. It read like poor messaging to me. Also, there hadn't been a post here in like 3 days, so I was just trying to open up some discussion on this sports message board.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 01, 2014, 04:05:27 PM
Meanwhile, what the fuck is Mooney on about anyways?
QuoteWhether or not you believe Epstein, general manager Jed Hoyer and their cronies are the smartest guys in baseball — the Dale Sveum firing, Edwin Jackson's $52 million contract and Ian Stewart's Twitter account created questions about management style and reading people...
My God, the sports media in this fucking town.
Can I agree with part of this but not the rest?
Quote from: Eli on May 01, 2014, 02:46:10 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 01, 2014, 02:31:46 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 01, 2014, 12:45:37 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 01, 2014, 12:30:30 PM
What's he supposed to say? That when Bryant and Baez flop they'll spend a shit ton of money? That will only make the meatballs less patient for them to add to the payroll. It sounded like a vote of confidence in Theo and Plan A to me. And at this point in the process what else is he supposed to say or do?
"Good organizations are always able to adapt. We're confident in our current path but if we ever need to adjust, we have the best front office in baseball to make those adjustments."
His quote makes them sound unprepared, naive and inflexible. Never something you want to hear, but especially not right now when 4 of the team's top 5 prospects have had such poor starts to their seasons.
That sounds way worse than what Ricketts actually said because that's what every executive always says about anything ever.
There's a reason for that.
I think what he actually said was only slightly more interesting than what you would prefer he said, which is basically meaningless. You're reading way too much into his original comment.
Quote from: Eli on May 01, 2014, 04:13:19 PM
It read like poor messaging to me.
Isn't "messaging" is what hack pundits on CNN talk about when they don't know anything/give a shit about the actual issues?
Quote from: Tony on May 01, 2014, 04:24:31 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 01, 2014, 02:46:10 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 01, 2014, 02:31:46 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 01, 2014, 12:45:37 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 01, 2014, 12:30:30 PM
What's he supposed to say? That when Bryant and Baez flop they'll spend a shit ton of money? That will only make the meatballs less patient for them to add to the payroll. It sounded like a vote of confidence in Theo and Plan A to me. And at this point in the process what else is he supposed to say or do?
"Good organizations are always able to adapt. We're confident in our current path but if we ever need to adjust, we have the best front office in baseball to make those adjustments."
His quote makes them sound unprepared, naive and inflexible. Never something you want to hear, but especially not right now when 4 of the team's top 5 prospects have had such poor starts to their seasons.
That sounds way worse than what Ricketts actually said because that's what every executive always says about anything ever.
There's a reason for that.
I think what he actually said was only slightly more interesting than what you would prefer he said, which is basically meaningless. You're reading way too much into his original comment.
Intrepid Reader: Eli
(http://www.bishopinthegrove.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/woman-screaming_h2vdjr.jpg)
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 01, 2014, 04:27:21 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 01, 2014, 04:13:19 PM
It read like poor messaging to me.
Isn't "messaging" is what hack pundits on CNN talk about when they don't know anything/give a shit about the actual issues?
I don't know. I don't watch CNN very much.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 01, 2014, 04:05:27 PM
Meanwhile, what the fuck is Mooney on about anyways?
QuoteWhether or not you believe Epstein, general manager Jed Hoyer and their cronies are the smartest guys in baseball — the Dale Sveum firing, Edwin Jackson's $52 million contract and Ian Stewart's Twitter account created questions about management style and reading people...
My God, the sports media in this fucking town.
if Starlin and Rizzo keep this up and to a lesser extent, Castillo - they might narrow the gap to .500 a little bit. Not sure if that makes anyone happy or not.
Also Alcantara is slugging the crap out of the ball. He should be up this year since he's already on the 40.
Quote from: Slaky on May 01, 2014, 04:34:39 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 01, 2014, 04:05:27 PM
Meanwhile, what the fuck is Mooney on about anyways?
QuoteWhether or not you believe Epstein, general manager Jed Hoyer and their cronies are the smartest guys in baseball — the Dale Sveum firing, Edwin Jackson's $52 million contract and Ian Stewart's Twitter account created questions about management style and reading people...
My God, the sports media in this fucking town.
if Starlin and Rizzo keep this up and to a lesser extent, Castillo - they might narrow the gap to .500 a little bit. Not sure if that makes anyone happy or not.
Also Alcantara is slugging the crap out of the ball. He should be up this year since he's already on the 40.
But if they get close to .500 the media will say they should have spent a little more to put them in contention.
Is it possible that Eli was bitten by a WereChuck, and cannot control his transformations?
Quote from: Bort on May 01, 2014, 04:37:20 PM
Is it possible that Eli was bitten by a WereChuck, and cannot control his transformations?
(http://blog.92y.org/images/collage/jewish-werewolf.jpg)
Quote from: PenFoe on May 01, 2014, 04:39:08 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 01, 2014, 04:37:20 PM
Is it possible that Eli was bitten by a WereChuck, and cannot control his transformations?
(http://blog.92y.org/images/collage/jewish-werewolf.jpg)
Ok. I LOLed.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 01, 2014, 04:13:35 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 01, 2014, 04:05:27 PM
Meanwhile, what the fuck is Mooney on about anyways?
QuoteWhether or not you believe Epstein, general manager Jed Hoyer and their cronies are the smartest guys in baseball — the Dale Sveum firing, Edwin Jackson's $52 million contract and Ian Stewart's Twitter account created questions about management style and reading people...
My God, the sports media in this fucking town.
Can I agree with part of this but not the rest?
Absolutely.
Some bets don't work out. Even "bigger" bets.
Speaking of which, an expanded quote:
QuoteWhether or not you believe Epstein, general manager Jed Hoyer and their cronies are the smartest guys in baseball — the Dale Sveum firing, Edwin Jackson's $52 million contract and Ian Stewart's Twitter account created questions about management style and reading people — you at least have to admit this front office should be able to make bigger bets.
When the Cubs signed Alfonso Soriano to that megadeal after a last-place finish in 2006, internal projections had the payroll pushing to $160 million and beyond by 2010, maybe not quite keeping up with the New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox, but certainly dwarfing the rest of the National League Central.
No one is saying the Cubs should have signed Cano and Albert Pujols and traded all their prospects for David Price and Giancarlo Stanton.
Mooney never does get around to telling us what anyone
is saying the Cubs should have done. It's a total non sequitur.
Instead we're just told that Bud Selig wasn't fond of all the money the Cubs laid out to sign Samardzija in 2007.
Stupid Ricketts.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 01, 2014, 04:43:09 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 01, 2014, 04:13:35 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 01, 2014, 04:05:27 PM
Meanwhile, what the fuck is Mooney on about anyways?
QuoteWhether or not you believe Epstein, general manager Jed Hoyer and their cronies are the smartest guys in baseball — the Dale Sveum firing, Edwin Jackson's $52 million contract and Ian Stewart's Twitter account created questions about management style and reading people...
My God, the sports media in this fucking town.
Can I agree with part of this but not the rest?
Absolutely.
Some bets don't work out. Even "bigger" bets.
Speaking of which, an expanded quote:
QuoteWhether or not you believe Epstein, general manager Jed Hoyer and their cronies are the smartest guys in baseball — the Dale Sveum firing, Edwin Jackson's $52 million contract and Ian Stewart's Twitter account created questions about management style and reading people — you at least have to admit this front office should be able to make bigger bets.
When the Cubs signed Alfonso Soriano to that megadeal after a last-place finish in 2006, internal projections had the payroll pushing to $160 million and beyond by 2010, maybe not quite keeping up with the New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox, but certainly dwarfing the rest of the National League Central.
No one is saying the Cubs should have signed Cano and Albert Pujols and traded all their prospects for David Price and Giancarlo Stanton.
Mooney never does get around to telling us what anyone is saying the Cubs should have done. It's a total non sequitur.
Instead we're just told that Bud Selig wasn't fond of all the money the Cubs laid out to sign Samardzija in 2007.
Stupid Ricketts.
Well, no one except Chuck, that is.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 01, 2014, 04:44:47 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 01, 2014, 04:43:09 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 01, 2014, 04:13:35 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 01, 2014, 04:05:27 PM
Meanwhile, what the fuck is Mooney on about anyways?
QuoteWhether or not you believe Epstein, general manager Jed Hoyer and their cronies are the smartest guys in baseball — the Dale Sveum firing, Edwin Jackson's $52 million contract and Ian Stewart's Twitter account created questions about management style and reading people...
My God, the sports media in this fucking town.
Can I agree with part of this but not the rest?
Absolutely.
Some bets don't work out. Even "bigger" bets.
Speaking of which, an expanded quote:
QuoteWhether or not you believe Epstein, general manager Jed Hoyer and their cronies are the smartest guys in baseball — the Dale Sveum firing, Edwin Jackson's $52 million contract and Ian Stewart's Twitter account created questions about management style and reading people — you at least have to admit this front office should be able to make bigger bets.
When the Cubs signed Alfonso Soriano to that megadeal after a last-place finish in 2006, internal projections had the payroll pushing to $160 million and beyond by 2010, maybe not quite keeping up with the New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox, but certainly dwarfing the rest of the National League Central.
No one is saying the Cubs should have signed Cano and Albert Pujols and traded all their prospects for David Price and Giancarlo Stanton.
Mooney never does get around to telling us what anyone is saying the Cubs should have done. It's a total non sequitur.
Instead we're just told that Bud Selig wasn't fond of all the money the Cubs laid out to sign Samardzija in 2007.
Stupid Ricketts.
Well, no one except Chuck, that is.
And possibly Eli when the moon is full.
Quote from: Bort on May 01, 2014, 04:42:36 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 01, 2014, 04:39:08 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 01, 2014, 04:37:20 PM
Is it possible that Eli was bitten by a WereChuck, and cannot control his transformations?
(http://blog.92y.org/images/collage/jewish-werewolf.jpg)
Ok. I LOLed.
(http://i.imgur.com/bUaez3b.jpg)
I guess I find all this sort of puzzling. It's not like I'm the only person who picked up on that quote. Mooney has typically been a one of the better beat writers in town for the past few years. Sahadev Sharma and Tom Loxas, normally two pretty reasonable guys, brought up on Twitter that they also thought the quote was dumb. It's not like I'm out on some Chuckian limb by myself here.
I'm still laughing at "bitten by a Werechuck". Good lord that's awesome.
Quote from: PANK! on May 01, 2014, 05:29:10 PM
I'm still laughing at "bitten by a Werechuck". Good lord that's awesome.
I'm still laughing
Quote from: Eli on May 01, 2014, 04:13:19 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 01, 2014, 03:48:12 PM
Oh, for the love of Christ.
Here's the full quote found in Mooney's piece (and, who knows, tracking down the full interview he pulls this from might even offer more context for the question and answer):
QuoteKeteyian: "It's a roll of the dice in a lot of ways. Is there a Plan B if this doesn't work?"
Ricketts: "I'm not sure there is a Plan B. The fact is, when you go to the free-agent market, it is basically like saying: 'We were unable to develop that player internally.' But there's no one big check. There's no one big guy. There's no magic button to hit in the free-agent market."
Ricketts isn't saying 'if this particular crop of prospects don't live up to the hype, we're plumb out of ideas.'
He seems to be expressing confidence that the way the Cubs are going about this rebuild is the right way to do it. That's all. Expressing confidence in the Master Plan without muddying the waters with vague and useless hedging.
It's like you're actively looking for reasons to get worked up at this point, Eli.
That's so... Chuck.
That's fine if you read it that way. It read like poor messaging to me. Also, there hadn't been a post here in like 3 days, so I was just trying to open up some discussion on this sports message board.
Leave TIME TO POST! to the experts.
Quote from: Bort on May 01, 2014, 04:42:36 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 01, 2014, 04:39:08 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 01, 2014, 04:37:20 PM
Is it possible that Eli was bitten by a WereChuck, and cannot control his transformations?
(http://blog.92y.org/images/collage/jewish-werewolf.jpg)
Ok. I LOLed.
Jorge Soler is back in the Tennessee lineup. So far this year he's 7/17 with 6 doubles.
Sploosh.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 02, 2014, 08:57:51 AM
Quote from: Bort on May 01, 2014, 04:42:36 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 01, 2014, 04:39:08 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 01, 2014, 04:37:20 PM
Is it possible that Eli was bitten by a WereChuck, and cannot control his transformations?
(http://blog.92y.org/images/collage/jewish-werewolf.jpg)
Ok. I LOLed.
The biggest problem is being in this condition and trying to keep Kosher.
Quote from: CBStew on May 12, 2014, 09:39:06 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 02, 2014, 08:57:51 AM
Quote from: Bort on May 01, 2014, 04:42:36 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 01, 2014, 04:39:08 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 01, 2014, 04:37:20 PM
Is it possible that Eli was bitten by a WereChuck, and cannot control his transformations?
(http://blog.92y.org/images/collage/jewish-werewolf.jpg)
Ok. I LOLed.
The biggest problem is being in this condition and trying to keep Kosher.
And if the full moon is on the sabbath? Oy.
Quote from: Fork on May 12, 2014, 08:46:56 AM
Jorge Soler is back in the Tennessee lineup. So far this year he's 7/17 with 6 doubles.
Sploosh.
Kris Bryant, Southern League Player of the Week.
B/w May 4-11, Bryant hit .464 with 12 runs, 13 hits, 4 HR & 14 RBI in 7 games. The 4 HR & 12 runs were tied for 1st in that span in @MiLB
— Tennessee Smokies (@smokiesbaseball) May 12, 2014And something I didn't realize, but pointed out by Bleacher Nation:
Mostly I just love that his outrageously good week – a week so good that it topped all other offensive players in the league – wasn't that much better than how he's been performing the whole rest of the year so far. He's just been that good.
Bryant, 22, has 10 homers, which leads the Southern League by three. His .331 batting average and .624 SLG also lead the league. His .437 OBP is second in the league, behind only his teammate, catcher Rafael Lopez (.456). His 9 doubles are 10th in the league, and, just for fun, his 5 stolen bases are 14th.
Quote from: Bort on May 12, 2014, 11:33:36 AM
Quote from: CBStew on May 12, 2014, 09:39:06 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 02, 2014, 08:57:51 AM
Quote from: Bort on May 01, 2014, 04:42:36 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 01, 2014, 04:39:08 PM
Quote from: Bort on May 01, 2014, 04:37:20 PM
Is it possible that Eli was bitten by a WereChuck, and cannot control his transformations?
(http://blog.92y.org/images/collage/jewish-werewolf.jpg)
Ok. I LOLed.
The biggest problem is being in this condition and trying to keep Kosher.
And if the full moon is on the sabbath? Oy.
It's called Rosh Howldesh.
So the Cubs massacred the Cardinals tonight. Which leads me here:
The Cubs expected win loss record is 18-19. They are 13-24. They have given up 4 more runs than they've scored all season.
What in the hell
Quote from: Slaky on May 12, 2014, 10:58:42 PM
So the Cubs massacred the Cardinals tonight. Which leads me here:
The Cubs expected win loss record is 18-19. They are 13-24. They have given up 4 more runs than they've scored all season.
What in the hell
I'd be curious to see what the expected W-L was before this game because, in my mind, the Cubs just doubled their season totals runs in this game
Quote from: Slaky on May 12, 2014, 10:58:42 PM
So the Cubs massacred the Cardinals tonight. Which leads me here:
The Cubs expected win loss record is 18-19. They are 13-24. They have given up 4 more runs than they've scored all season.
What in the hell
They've scored 19% of their runs for this season in two games -- last night and Thursday against the Pirates (12).
In between those offensive outbursts, they scored 4 runs in 3 games.
Quote from: Eli on May 13, 2014, 08:36:17 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 12, 2014, 10:58:42 PM
So the Cubs massacred the Cardinals tonight. Which leads me here:
The Cubs expected win loss record is 18-19. They are 13-24. They have given up 4 more runs than they've scored all season.
What in the hell
They've scored 19% of their runs for this season in two games -- last night and Thursday against the Pirates White Sox (12).
In between those offensive outbursts, they scored 4 runs in 3 games.
Most they've scored against the Pirates is 7.
Quote from: Eli on May 13, 2014, 08:36:17 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 12, 2014, 10:58:42 PM
So the Cubs massacred the Cardinals tonight. Which leads me here:
The Cubs expected win loss record is 18-19. They are 13-24. They have given up 4 more runs than they've scored all season.
What in the hell
They've scored 19% of their runs for this season in two games -- last night and Thursday against the Pirates (12).
In between those offensive outbursts, they scored 4 runs in 3 games.
Pissburgh, thankfully, is no Bridgeport.
Question: golf handicaps adjust scores, throwing out scores larger than triple bogeys, etc. When computing expected W-L, shouldn't there be an allowance for blowouts? Those last 6 runs were not nearly as contested as the first 11.
Quote from: Brownie on May 13, 2014, 08:44:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 13, 2014, 08:36:17 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 12, 2014, 10:58:42 PM
So the Cubs massacred the Cardinals tonight. Which leads me here:
The Cubs expected win loss record is 18-19. They are 13-24. They have given up 4 more runs than they've scored all season.
What in the hell
They've scored 19% of their runs for this season in two games -- last night and Thursday against the Pirates (12).
In between those offensive outbursts, they scored 4 runs in 3 games.
Pissburgh, thankfully, is no Bridgeport.
Question: golf handicaps adjust scores, throwing out scores larger than triple bogeys, etc. When computing expected W-L, shouldn't there be an allowance for blowouts? Those last 6 runs were not nearly as contested as the first 11.
You usually don't need to because it tends to normalize over the course of an entire season. After 37 games, expected W-L is pretty useless. I'm sure by September it'll more accurately reflect how bad they are.
The NL Central per the Baseball Prospectus Adjusted Standings (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/standings/) as of today:
Actual First order Second order Third order
W% W-L W% W-L W% W-L W% W-L
CIN 0.472 17-19 0.534 19.2-16.8 0.540 19.4-16.6 0.540 19.4-16.6
MIL 0.632 24-14 0.540 20.5-17.5 0.540 20.5-17.5 0.520 19.8-18.2
STL 0.487 19-20 0.509 19.9-19.1 0.506 19.7-19.3 0.498 19.4-19.6
CHC 0.351 13-24 0.488 18.1-18.9 0.484 17.9-19.1 0.477 17.6-19.4
PIT 0.432 16-21 0.464 17.2-19.8 0.446 16.5-20.5 0.460 17.0-20.0
Ranked by Third Order Winning Percentage (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/glossary/index.php?search=pct3). (First order is their Pythagorean percentage based on actual runs scored/allowed, second order their Pythagorean percentage based on underlying stats, third order their Pythagorean percentage based on underlying stats with adjustments for strength of opponents.)
Overall, the Cubs rank 19th in all of MLB in the third order projection, just behind Tampa and ahead of the Twins, Yankees, Pirates, Royals, Rangers, Dbacks, Mets, Padres, Orioles, Phillies and Astros.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 13, 2014, 09:12:40 AM
The NL Central per the Baseball Prospectus Adjusted Standings (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/standings/) as of today:
Actual First order Second order Third order
W% W-L W% W-L W% W-L W% W-L
CIN 0.472 17-19 0.534 19.2-16.8 0.540 19.4-16.6 0.540 19.4-16.6
MIL 0.632 24-14 0.540 20.5-17.5 0.540 20.5-17.5 0.520 19.8-18.2
STL 0.487 19-20 0.509 19.9-19.1 0.506 19.7-19.3 0.498 19.4-19.6
CHC 0.351 13-24 0.488 18.1-18.9 0.484 17.9-19.1 0.477 17.6-19.4
PIT 0.432 16-21 0.464 17.2-19.8 0.446 16.5-20.5 0.460 17.0-20.0
Ranked by Third Order Winning Percentage (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/glossary/index.php?search=pct3). (First order is their Pythagorean percentage based on actual runs scored/allowed, second order their Pythagorean percentage based on underlying stats, third order their Pythagorean percentage based on underlying stats with adjustments for strength of opponents.)
Overall, the Cubs rank 19th in all of MLB in the third order projection, just behind Tampa and ahead of the Twins, Yankees, Pirates, Royals, Rangers, Dbacks, Mets, Padres, Orioles, Phillies and Astros.
So, yay?
Quote from: Yeti on May 13, 2014, 09:24:44 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 13, 2014, 09:12:40 AM
The NL Central per the Baseball Prospectus Adjusted Standings (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/standings/) as of today:
Actual First order Second order Third order
W% W-L W% W-L W% W-L W% W-L
CIN 0.472 17-19 0.534 19.2-16.8 0.540 19.4-16.6 0.540 19.4-16.6
MIL 0.632 24-14 0.540 20.5-17.5 0.540 20.5-17.5 0.520 19.8-18.2
STL 0.487 19-20 0.509 19.9-19.1 0.506 19.7-19.3 0.498 19.4-19.6
CHC 0.351 13-24 0.488 18.1-18.9 0.484 17.9-19.1 0.477 17.6-19.4
PIT 0.432 16-21 0.464 17.2-19.8 0.446 16.5-20.5 0.460 17.0-20.0
Ranked by Third Order Winning Percentage (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/glossary/index.php?search=pct3). (First order is their Pythagorean percentage based on actual runs scored/allowed, second order their Pythagorean percentage based on underlying stats, third order their Pythagorean percentage based on underlying stats with adjustments for strength of opponents.)
Overall, the Cubs rank 19th in all of MLB in the third order projection, just behind Tampa and ahead of the Twins, Yankees, Pirates, Royals, Rangers, Dbacks, Mets, Padres, Orioles, Phillies and Astros.
So, yay?
If this keeps up, they'll get a higher draft pick than they deserve?
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 13, 2014, 09:31:43 AM
Quote from: Yeti on May 13, 2014, 09:24:44 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 13, 2014, 09:12:40 AM
The NL Central per the Baseball Prospectus Adjusted Standings (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/standings/) as of today:
Actual First order Second order Third order
W% W-L W% W-L W% W-L W% W-L
CIN 0.472 17-19 0.534 19.2-16.8 0.540 19.4-16.6 0.540 19.4-16.6
MIL 0.632 24-14 0.540 20.5-17.5 0.540 20.5-17.5 0.520 19.8-18.2
STL 0.487 19-20 0.509 19.9-19.1 0.506 19.7-19.3 0.498 19.4-19.6
CHC 0.351 13-24 0.488 18.1-18.9 0.484 17.9-19.1 0.477 17.6-19.4
PIT 0.432 16-21 0.464 17.2-19.8 0.446 16.5-20.5 0.460 17.0-20.0
Ranked by Third Order Winning Percentage (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/glossary/index.php?search=pct3). (First order is their Pythagorean percentage based on actual runs scored/allowed, second order their Pythagorean percentage based on underlying stats, third order their Pythagorean percentage based on underlying stats with adjustments for strength of opponents.)
Overall, the Cubs rank 19th in all of MLB in the third order projection, just behind Tampa and ahead of the Twins, Yankees, Pirates, Royals, Rangers, Dbacks, Mets, Padres, Orioles, Phillies and Astros.
So, yay?
If this keeps up, they'll get a higher draft pick than they deserve?
Prospects? Bah. They never pan out.
Quote from: Bort on May 13, 2014, 09:33:13 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 13, 2014, 09:31:43 AM
Quote from: Yeti on May 13, 2014, 09:24:44 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 13, 2014, 09:12:40 AM
The NL Central per the Baseball Prospectus Adjusted Standings (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/standings/) as of today:
Actual First order Second order Third order
W% W-L W% W-L W% W-L W% W-L
CIN 0.472 17-19 0.534 19.2-16.8 0.540 19.4-16.6 0.540 19.4-16.6
MIL 0.632 24-14 0.540 20.5-17.5 0.540 20.5-17.5 0.520 19.8-18.2
STL 0.487 19-20 0.509 19.9-19.1 0.506 19.7-19.3 0.498 19.4-19.6
CHC 0.351 13-24 0.488 18.1-18.9 0.484 17.9-19.1 0.477 17.6-19.4
PIT 0.432 16-21 0.464 17.2-19.8 0.446 16.5-20.5 0.460 17.0-20.0
Ranked by Third Order Winning Percentage (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/glossary/index.php?search=pct3). (First order is their Pythagorean percentage based on actual runs scored/allowed, second order their Pythagorean percentage based on underlying stats, third order their Pythagorean percentage based on underlying stats with adjustments for strength of opponents.)
Overall, the Cubs rank 19th in all of MLB in the third order projection, just behind Tampa and ahead of the Twins, Yankees, Pirates, Royals, Rangers, Dbacks, Mets, Padres, Orioles, Phillies and Astros.
So, yay?
If this keeps up, they'll get a higher draft pick than they deserve?
Prospects? Bah. They never pan out.
I know this is a throwaway line to make fun of Al, but it's technically true that
most prospects don't pan out.
Quote from: Eli on May 13, 2014, 09:39:26 AM
Quote from: Bort on May 13, 2014, 09:33:13 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 13, 2014, 09:31:43 AM
Quote from: Yeti on May 13, 2014, 09:24:44 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 13, 2014, 09:12:40 AM
The NL Central per the Baseball Prospectus Adjusted Standings (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/standings/) as of today:
Actual First order Second order Third order
W% W-L W% W-L W% W-L W% W-L
CIN 0.472 17-19 0.534 19.2-16.8 0.540 19.4-16.6 0.540 19.4-16.6
MIL 0.632 24-14 0.540 20.5-17.5 0.540 20.5-17.5 0.520 19.8-18.2
STL 0.487 19-20 0.509 19.9-19.1 0.506 19.7-19.3 0.498 19.4-19.6
CHC 0.351 13-24 0.488 18.1-18.9 0.484 17.9-19.1 0.477 17.6-19.4
PIT 0.432 16-21 0.464 17.2-19.8 0.446 16.5-20.5 0.460 17.0-20.0
Ranked by Third Order Winning Percentage (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/glossary/index.php?search=pct3). (First order is their Pythagorean percentage based on actual runs scored/allowed, second order their Pythagorean percentage based on underlying stats, third order their Pythagorean percentage based on underlying stats with adjustments for strength of opponents.)
Overall, the Cubs rank 19th in all of MLB in the third order projection, just behind Tampa and ahead of the Twins, Yankees, Pirates, Royals, Rangers, Dbacks, Mets, Padres, Orioles, Phillies and Astros.
So, yay?
If this keeps up, they'll get a higher draft pick than they deserve?
Prospects? Bah. They never pan out.
I know this is a throwaway line to make fun of Al, but it's technically true that most prospects don't pan out.
Probably depends on how you define "pan out". Most top prospects certainly don't reach their projected ceilings. But that's the nature of "ceilings", and that doesn't mean they never contribute anything at the major league level.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 13, 2014, 09:31:43 AM
Quote from: Yeti on May 13, 2014, 09:24:44 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 13, 2014, 09:12:40 AM
The NL Central per the Baseball Prospectus Adjusted Standings (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/standings/) as of today:
Actual First order Second order Third order
W% W-L W% W-L W% W-L W% W-L
CIN 0.472 17-19 0.534 19.2-16.8 0.540 19.4-16.6 0.540 19.4-16.6
MIL 0.632 24-14 0.540 20.5-17.5 0.540 20.5-17.5 0.520 19.8-18.2
STL 0.487 19-20 0.509 19.9-19.1 0.506 19.7-19.3 0.498 19.4-19.6
CHC 0.351 13-24 0.488 18.1-18.9 0.484 17.9-19.1 0.477 17.6-19.4
PIT 0.432 16-21 0.464 17.2-19.8 0.446 16.5-20.5 0.460 17.0-20.0
Ranked by Third Order Winning Percentage (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/glossary/index.php?search=pct3). (First order is their Pythagorean percentage based on actual runs scored/allowed, second order their Pythagorean percentage based on underlying stats, third order their Pythagorean percentage based on underlying stats with adjustments for strength of opponents.)
Overall, the Cubs rank 19th in all of MLB in the third order projection, just behind Tampa and ahead of the Twins, Yankees, Pirates, Royals, Rangers, Dbacks, Mets, Padres, Orioles, Phillies and Astros.
So, yay?
If this keeps up, they'll get a higher draft pick than they deserve?
I don't think it will when the trade 2/5ths of the rotation. Even if guys like Hendricks and Wada show up and pitch well.
Regardless, I think what it tells me (irrespective of fears of a lower draft pick) is that they aren't as bad as their record AND they really might be a couple of those Big Four guys away from competing on a daily basis.
I don't think it's unfair to suggest that what we're seeing from Castro and Rizzo IS what they are. Do you guys?
Cubs' minor league records:
Boise (Northwest League) 41-35, 6GB
Kane County (Midwest League) 26-11. 5.5 GA
Daytona (Florida League) 10-24 16GB
Tennessee (Southern League) 22-16 4GB
Iowa (Pacific Coast League) 20-15 1GA
So with the exception of Daytona (which is essentially the same bunch of guys who posted a losing record in Kane County last season), the organization is winning at every level. At some point this will start to manifest itself at the big league level, right?
Quote from: Fork on May 13, 2014, 10:02:40 AM
At some point this will start to manifest itself at the big league level, right?
Not really. Minor league team records have basically zero correlation/projection to big-league team success. Different teams promote players differently, guys are working on certain skills at any given time and ignoring others, certain teams don't even bother with situational strategy to win games, etc. For most teams, it's about developing individual guys under the guise of a team game.
Quote from: Slaky on May 13, 2014, 10:00:00 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 13, 2014, 09:31:43 AM
Quote from: Yeti on May 13, 2014, 09:24:44 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 13, 2014, 09:12:40 AM
The NL Central per the Baseball Prospectus Adjusted Standings (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/standings/) as of today:
Actual First order Second order Third order
W% W-L W% W-L W% W-L W% W-L
CIN 0.472 17-19 0.534 19.2-16.8 0.540 19.4-16.6 0.540 19.4-16.6
MIL 0.632 24-14 0.540 20.5-17.5 0.540 20.5-17.5 0.520 19.8-18.2
STL 0.487 19-20 0.509 19.9-19.1 0.506 19.7-19.3 0.498 19.4-19.6
CHC 0.351 13-24 0.488 18.1-18.9 0.484 17.9-19.1 0.477 17.6-19.4
PIT 0.432 16-21 0.464 17.2-19.8 0.446 16.5-20.5 0.460 17.0-20.0
Ranked by Third Order Winning Percentage (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/glossary/index.php?search=pct3). (First order is their Pythagorean percentage based on actual runs scored/allowed, second order their Pythagorean percentage based on underlying stats, third order their Pythagorean percentage based on underlying stats with adjustments for strength of opponents.)
Overall, the Cubs rank 19th in all of MLB in the third order projection, just behind Tampa and ahead of the Twins, Yankees, Pirates, Royals, Rangers, Dbacks, Mets, Padres, Orioles, Phillies and Astros.
So, yay?
If this keeps up, they'll get a higher draft pick than they deserve?
I don't think it will when the trade 2/5ths of the rotation. Even if guys like Hendricks and Wada show up and pitch well.
Regardless, I think what it tells me (irrespective of fears of a lower draft pick) is that they aren't as bad as their record AND they really might be a couple of those Big Four guys away from competing on a daily basis.
I don't think it's unfair to suggest that what we're seeing from Castro and Rizzo IS what they are. Do you guys?
Not unfair. For what it's worth coming from a slapdick TV-watcher, both have much better approaches this year eye test-wise - Castro has his aggressiveness back and Rizzo is just locked in against lefties - and it's backed up by the numbers. Not crazy to think that a couple of 24 year olds with BABIPs that are not outlandish, and roughly in line with career numbers, are coming into their own.
Cubs prospect 3B Kris Bryant was at it again on Tuesday, going 2-for-5 with a home run and four RBI for Double-A Tennessee.
The 22-year-old slugger has five home runs and 18 RBI in his last 10 games, and he's now batting a robust .324/.425/.620 with nine doubles, 11 homers and 33 RBI through 38 games on the season. He also has 35 runs and five steals thus far, to go along with a 46/20 strikeout-to-walk ratio in 167 plate appearances. Bryant continues to check all the developmental boxes at Tennessee and shows no signs of slowing down until he reaches the major leagues, which looks like it will occur at some point later this season.
Cubs prospect OF Albert Almora enjoyed his best game of the season on Tuesday, going 3-for-5 with three doubles and four RBI for High-A Daytona.
The 20-year-old had been struggling heading into the game, with a dismal .386 OPS and one extra-base hit in his 10 previous contests, so his three-double, four-RBI performance on Tuesday was definitely a step in the right direction. Through 31 games at Daytona this season, Almora is batting .250/.280/.355 with 10 doubles, one home run, 16 RBI and a 15/4 strikeout-to-walk ratio.
For the 7th time in 6 games Jorge Soler doubled.
Draft related stuff, two college arms in Hoffman and Fedde will undergo Tommy John surgery. That moves...you guessed it...Aaron Nola up in the prospect list for the Cubs at 4 along with high school position players Alex Jackson (C/OF) and Nick Gordon (IF). Nola is the safest pitching bet given that Rodon, Kolek and Aiken could go in the first three picks.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 14, 2014, 12:24:32 PM
The 20-year-old had been struggling heading into the game, with a dismal .386 OPS and one extra-base hit in his 10 previous contests, so his three-double, four-RBI performance on Tuesday was definitely a step in the right direction. Through 31 games at Daytona this season, Almora is batting .250/.280/.355 with 10 doubles, one home run, 16 RBI and a 15/4 strikeout-to-walk ratio.
Almora is the guy in Big 4 who I just can't get fully excited about. I still believe in Baez despite the rough start, but I just don't really see Almora's appeal. No power, very little speed and he doesn't get on base. I know he could hit for average and his defense profiles well, but I just don't see much upside beyond something like a non-PED Melky Cabrera. That's fine, but doesn't move the needle much.
On the other hand, Soler's quick start is great to see. Hopefully he can stay on the field and push himself into AAA before the end of the year.
Quote from: Eli on May 14, 2014, 01:01:18 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 14, 2014, 12:24:32 PM
The 20-year-old had been struggling heading into the game, with a dismal .386 OPS and one extra-base hit in his 10 previous contests, so his three-double, four-RBI performance on Tuesday was definitely a step in the right direction. Through 31 games at Daytona this season, Almora is batting .250/.280/.355 with 10 doubles, one home run, 16 RBI and a 15/4 strikeout-to-walk ratio.
Almora is the guy in Big 4 who I just can't get fully excited about. I still believe in Baez despite the rough start, but I just don't really see Almora's appeal. No power, very little speed and he doesn't get on base. I know he could hit for average and his defense profiles well, but I just don't see much upside beyond something like a non-PED Melky Cabrera. That's fine, but doesn't move the needle much.
On the other hand, Soler's quick start is great to see. Hopefully he can stay on the field and push himself into AAA before the end of the year.
He's struggled early on this year. He'll hit over .300 with great contact. He's an amazing defender, with a great arm. Works hard, is a great leader on the team. And he's 19 years old. His projected ceiling is a future all-star, gold glove center fielder. But these guys grow on trees, nice job Theo.
Quote from: Eli on May 14, 2014, 01:01:18 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 14, 2014, 12:24:32 PM
The 20-year-old had been struggling heading into the game, with a dismal .386 OPS and one extra-base hit in his 10 previous contests, so his three-double, four-RBI performance on Tuesday was definitely a step in the right direction. Through 31 games at Daytona this season, Almora is batting .250/.280/.355 with 10 doubles, one home run, 16 RBI and a 15/4 strikeout-to-walk ratio.
Almora is the guy in Big 4 who I just can't get fully excited about. I still believe in Baez despite the rough start, but I just don't really see Almora's appeal. No power, very little speed and he doesn't get on base. I know he could hit for average and his defense profiles well, but I just don't see much upside beyond something like a non-PED Melky Cabrera. That's fine, but doesn't move the needle much.
On the other hand, Soler's quick start is great to see. Hopefully he can stay on the field and push himself into AAA before the end of the year.
Like BH said - I think Almora can become a doubles, high BA guy but he's going to give you that gold glove defense up the middle. I get not being too excited but from what I remember he has the highest floor.
Soler is that wild card who could still end up being a complete monster or nothing.
Quote from: Slaky on May 14, 2014, 01:11:08 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 14, 2014, 01:01:18 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 14, 2014, 12:24:32 PM
The 20-year-old had been struggling heading into the game, with a dismal .386 OPS and one extra-base hit in his 10 previous contests, so his three-double, four-RBI performance on Tuesday was definitely a step in the right direction. Through 31 games at Daytona this season, Almora is batting .250/.280/.355 with 10 doubles, one home run, 16 RBI and a 15/4 strikeout-to-walk ratio.
Almora is the guy in Big 4 who I just can't get fully excited about. I still believe in Baez despite the rough start, but I just don't really see Almora's appeal. No power, very little speed and he doesn't get on base. I know he could hit for average and his defense profiles well, but I just don't see much upside beyond something like a non-PED Melky Cabrera. That's fine, but doesn't move the needle much.
On the other hand, Soler's quick start is great to see. Hopefully he can stay on the field and push himself into AAA before the end of the year.
Like BH said - I think Almora can become a doubles, high BA guy but he's going to give you that gold glove defense up the middle. I get not being too excited but from what I remember he has the highest floor.
Soler is that wild card who could still end up being a complete monster or nothing.
Eli likes dingers.
Quote from: BH on May 14, 2014, 01:06:16 PM
He's struggled early on this year. He'll hit over .300 with great contact. He's an amazing defender, with a great arm. Works hard, is a great leader on the team. And he's 19 years old. His projected ceiling is a future all-star, gold glove center fielder. But these guys grow on trees, nice job Theo.
Well, it's settled then. Everything you said will happen.
Quote from: Eli on May 14, 2014, 01:44:37 PM
Quote from: BH on May 14, 2014, 01:06:16 PM
He's struggled early on this year. He'll hit over .300 with great contact. He's an amazing defender, with a great arm. Works hard, is a great leader on the team. And he's 19 years old. His projected ceiling is a future all-star, gold glove center fielder. But these guys grow on trees, nice job Theo.
Well, it's settled then. Everything you said will happen.
Well, shit, then BH should have said CHAMMENSHIP.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 14, 2014, 01:49:00 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 14, 2014, 01:44:37 PM
Quote from: BH on May 14, 2014, 01:06:16 PM
He's struggled early on this year. He'll hit over .300 with great contact. He's an amazing defender, with a great arm. Works hard, is a great leader on the team. And he's 19 years old. His projected ceiling is a future all-star, gold glove center fielder. But these guys grow on trees, nice job Theo.
Well, it's settled then. Everything you said will happen.
Well, shit, then BH should have said CHAMMENSHIP.
He sold us all short!
Quote from: Eli on May 14, 2014, 01:51:45 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 14, 2014, 01:49:00 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 14, 2014, 01:44:37 PM
Quote from: BH on May 14, 2014, 01:06:16 PM
He's struggled early on this year. He'll hit over .300 with great contact. He's an amazing defender, with a great arm. Works hard, is a great leader on the team. And he's 19 years old. His projected ceiling is a future all-star, gold glove center fielder. But these guys grow on trees, nice job Theo.
Well, it's settled then. Everything you said will happen.
Well, shit, then BH should have said CHAMMENSHIP.
He sold us all short!
BHstink is terrible.
#FireTheo
Quote from: Eli on May 14, 2014, 01:51:45 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 14, 2014, 01:49:00 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 14, 2014, 01:44:37 PM
Quote from: BH on May 14, 2014, 01:06:16 PM
He's struggled early on this year. He'll hit over .300 with great contact. He's an amazing defender, with a great arm. Works hard, is a great leader on the team. And he's 19 years old. His projected ceiling is a future all-star, gold glove center fielder. But these guys grow on trees, nice job Theo.
Well, it's settled then. Everything you said will happen.
Well, shit, then BH should have said CHAMMENSHIP.
He sold us all short!
What about Oleg?
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 14, 2014, 12:24:32 PM
Cubs prospect 3B Kris Bryant was at it again on Tuesday, going 2-for-5 with a home run and four RBI for Double-A Tennessee.
The 22-year-old slugger has five home runs and 18 RBI in his last 10 games, and he's now batting a robust .324/.425/.620 with nine doubles, 11 homers and 33 RBI through 38 games on the season. He also has 35 runs and five steals thus far, to go along with a 46/20 strikeout-to-walk ratio in 167 plate appearances. Bryant continues to check all the developmental boxes at Tennessee and shows no signs of slowing down until he reaches the major leagues, which looks like it will occur at some point later this season.
Cubs prospect OF Albert Almora enjoyed his best game of the season on Tuesday, going 3-for-5 with three doubles and four RBI for High-A Daytona.
The 20-year-old had been struggling heading into the game, with a dismal .386 OPS and one extra-base hit in his 10 previous contests, so his three-double, four-RBI performance on Tuesday was definitely a step in the right direction. Through 31 games at Daytona this season, Almora is batting .250/.280/.355 with 10 doubles, one home run, 16 RBI and a 15/4 strikeout-to-walk ratio.
For the 7th time in 6 games Jorge Soler doubled.
Draft related stuff, two college arms in Hoffman and Fedde will undergo Tommy John surgery. That moves...you guessed it...Aaron Nola up in the prospect list for the Cubs at 4 along with high school position players Alex Jackson (C/OF) and Nick Gordon (IF). Nola is the safest pitching bet given that Rodon, Kolek and Aiken could go in the first three picks.
I took a trip to Knoxville to watch Bryant play two weeks ago and I was beyond impressed. His hands are about as fast as I've ever seen through the strike zone. And he is one big motherfucker. He's 6-5 and listed at 215 but looks closer to 230.
Quote from: Bonk on May 14, 2014, 07:42:07 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 14, 2014, 12:24:32 PM
Cubs prospect 3B Kris Bryant was at it again on Tuesday, going 2-for-5 with a home run and four RBI for Double-A Tennessee.
The 22-year-old slugger has five home runs and 18 RBI in his last 10 games, and he's now batting a robust .324/.425/.620 with nine doubles, 11 homers and 33 RBI through 38 games on the season. He also has 35 runs and five steals thus far, to go along with a 46/20 strikeout-to-walk ratio in 167 plate appearances. Bryant continues to check all the developmental boxes at Tennessee and shows no signs of slowing down until he reaches the major leagues, which looks like it will occur at some point later this season.
Cubs prospect OF Albert Almora enjoyed his best game of the season on Tuesday, going 3-for-5 with three doubles and four RBI for High-A Daytona.
The 20-year-old had been struggling heading into the game, with a dismal .386 OPS and one extra-base hit in his 10 previous contests, so his three-double, four-RBI performance on Tuesday was definitely a step in the right direction. Through 31 games at Daytona this season, Almora is batting .250/.280/.355 with 10 doubles, one home run, 16 RBI and a 15/4 strikeout-to-walk ratio.
For the 7th time in 6 games Jorge Soler doubled.
Draft related stuff, two college arms in Hoffman and Fedde will undergo Tommy John surgery. That moves...you guessed it...Aaron Nola up in the prospect list for the Cubs at 4 along with high school position players Alex Jackson (C/OF) and Nick Gordon (IF). Nola is the safest pitching bet given that Rodon, Kolek and Aiken could go in the first three picks.
I took a trip to Knoxville to watch Bryant play two weeks ago and I was beyond impressed. His hands are about as fast as I've ever seen through the strike zone. And he is one big motherfucker. He's 6-5 and listed at 215 but looks closer to 230.
How did he look at third?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on May 14, 2014, 08:59:23 PM
Quote from: Bonk on May 14, 2014, 07:42:07 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 14, 2014, 12:24:32 PM
Cubs prospect 3B Kris Bryant was at it again on Tuesday, going 2-for-5 with a home run and four RBI for Double-A Tennessee.
The 22-year-old slugger has five home runs and 18 RBI in his last 10 games, and he's now batting a robust .324/.425/.620 with nine doubles, 11 homers and 33 RBI through 38 games on the season. He also has 35 runs and five steals thus far, to go along with a 46/20 strikeout-to-walk ratio in 167 plate appearances. Bryant continues to check all the developmental boxes at Tennessee and shows no signs of slowing down until he reaches the major leagues, which looks like it will occur at some point later this season.
Cubs prospect OF Albert Almora enjoyed his best game of the season on Tuesday, going 3-for-5 with three doubles and four RBI for High-A Daytona.
The 20-year-old had been struggling heading into the game, with a dismal .386 OPS and one extra-base hit in his 10 previous contests, so his three-double, four-RBI performance on Tuesday was definitely a step in the right direction. Through 31 games at Daytona this season, Almora is batting .250/.280/.355 with 10 doubles, one home run, 16 RBI and a 15/4 strikeout-to-walk ratio.
For the 7th time in 6 games Jorge Soler doubled.
Draft related stuff, two college arms in Hoffman and Fedde will undergo Tommy John surgery. That moves...you guessed it...Aaron Nola up in the prospect list for the Cubs at 4 along with high school position players Alex Jackson (C/OF) and Nick Gordon (IF). Nola is the safest pitching bet given that Rodon, Kolek and Aiken could go in the first three picks.
I took a trip to Knoxville to watch Bryant play two weeks ago and I was beyond impressed. His hands are about as fast as I've ever seen through the strike zone. And he is one big motherfucker. He's 6-5 and listed at 215 but looks closer to 230.
How did he look at third?
With his eyes.
Quote from: Brownie on May 14, 2014, 09:40:47 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on May 14, 2014, 08:59:23 PM
Quote from: Bonk on May 14, 2014, 07:42:07 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 14, 2014, 12:24:32 PM
Cubs prospect 3B Kris Bryant was at it again on Tuesday, going 2-for-5 with a home run and four RBI for Double-A Tennessee.
The 22-year-old slugger has five home runs and 18 RBI in his last 10 games, and he's now batting a robust .324/.425/.620 with nine doubles, 11 homers and 33 RBI through 38 games on the season. He also has 35 runs and five steals thus far, to go along with a 46/20 strikeout-to-walk ratio in 167 plate appearances. Bryant continues to check all the developmental boxes at Tennessee and shows no signs of slowing down until he reaches the major leagues, which looks like it will occur at some point later this season.
Cubs prospect OF Albert Almora enjoyed his best game of the season on Tuesday, going 3-for-5 with three doubles and four RBI for High-A Daytona.
The 20-year-old had been struggling heading into the game, with a dismal .386 OPS and one extra-base hit in his 10 previous contests, so his three-double, four-RBI performance on Tuesday was definitely a step in the right direction. Through 31 games at Daytona this season, Almora is batting .250/.280/.355 with 10 doubles, one home run, 16 RBI and a 15/4 strikeout-to-walk ratio.
For the 7th time in 6 games Jorge Soler doubled.
Draft related stuff, two college arms in Hoffman and Fedde will undergo Tommy John surgery. That moves...you guessed it...Aaron Nola up in the prospect list for the Cubs at 4 along with high school position players Alex Jackson (C/OF) and Nick Gordon (IF). Nola is the safest pitching bet given that Rodon, Kolek and Aiken could go in the first three picks.
I took a trip to Knoxville to watch Bryant play two weeks ago and I was beyond impressed. His hands are about as fast as I've ever seen through the strike zone. And he is one big motherfucker. He's 6-5 and listed at 215 but looks closer to 230.
How did he look at third?
With his eyes.
His dreamy, dreamboat dream-eyes.
(http://blogimages.thescore.com/mlb/files/2013/12/USPW_983550-copy.jpg)
Since Hoffman is off the board, there's been some Twitter talk about the Cubs taking Kyle Freeland from Evansville at #4. Sounds like he's shooting up the board pretty quickly.
Scouting report (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/game-report-evansvilles-kyle-freeland/), if anyone is interested.
QuoteCombining impeccable command with plus stuff, Evansville lefthander Kyle Freeland produced one of the most dominant starts of the college season, striking out nearly half (47 percent) of the 32 Charlotte hitters he faced this past weekend in an economical complete-game effort.
"That was as overmatched as I have seen a decent D-1 college team in a long time outside of the upper-echelon pitchers like Stephen Strasburg, David Price and Carlos Rodon, when he is going good," a National League scout said.
He displayed everything evaluators wanted to see, making Freeland a likely first-round pick with the potential to go in the top half of the round. Freeland garnered 22 swinging strikes on the day and retired 19 straight hitters at one point.
He's probably about as close to major-league ready as anyone in this year's class. You know, if you're into that kind of thing.
Quote from: Eli on May 15, 2014, 09:16:30 AM
Since Hoffman is off the board, there's been some Twitter talk about the Cubs taking Kyle Freeland from Evansville at #4. Sounds like he's shooting up the board pretty quickly.
Scouting report (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/game-report-evansvilles-kyle-freeland/), if anyone is interested.
QuoteCombining impeccable command with plus stuff, Evansville lefthander Kyle Freeland produced one of the most dominant starts of the college season, striking out nearly half (47 percent) of the 32 Charlotte hitters he faced this past weekend in an economical complete-game effort.
"That was as overmatched as I have seen a decent D-1 college team in a long time outside of the upper-echelon pitchers like Stephen Strasburg, David Price and Carlos Rodon, when he is going good," a National League scout said.
He displayed everything evaluators wanted to see, making Freeland a likely first-round pick with the potential to go in the top half of the round. Freeland garnered 22 swinging strikes on the day and retired 19 straight hitters at one point.
He's probably about as close to major-league ready as anyone in this year's class. You know, if you're into that kind of thing.
Whatever happened to that "can't miss" prospect who beaned the guy in the on deck circle?
Quote from: CBStew on May 15, 2014, 09:18:58 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 15, 2014, 09:16:30 AM
Since Hoffman is off the board, there's been some Twitter talk about the Cubs taking Kyle Freeland from Evansville at #4. Sounds like he's shooting up the board pretty quickly.
Scouting report (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/game-report-evansvilles-kyle-freeland/), if anyone is interested.
QuoteCombining impeccable command with plus stuff, Evansville lefthander Kyle Freeland produced one of the most dominant starts of the college season, striking out nearly half (47 percent) of the 32 Charlotte hitters he faced this past weekend in an economical complete-game effort.
"That was as overmatched as I have seen a decent D-1 college team in a long time outside of the upper-echelon pitchers like Stephen Strasburg, David Price and Carlos Rodon, when he is going good," a National League scout said.
He displayed everything evaluators wanted to see, making Freeland a likely first-round pick with the potential to go in the top half of the round. Freeland garnered 22 swinging strikes on the day and retired 19 straight hitters at one point.
He's probably about as close to major-league ready as anyone in this year's class. You know, if you're into that kind of thing.
Whatever happened to that "can't miss" prospect who beaned the guy in the on deck circle?
Ben Christensen (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=18208)? Not sure he was ever "can't miss".
Quote from: Tonker on May 15, 2014, 09:33:52 AM
Quote from: CBStew on May 15, 2014, 09:18:58 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 15, 2014, 09:16:30 AM
Since Hoffman is off the board, there's been some Twitter talk about the Cubs taking Kyle Freeland from Evansville at #4. Sounds like he's shooting up the board pretty quickly.
Scouting report (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/game-report-evansvilles-kyle-freeland/), if anyone is interested.
QuoteCombining impeccable command with plus stuff, Evansville lefthander Kyle Freeland produced one of the most dominant starts of the college season, striking out nearly half (47 percent) of the 32 Charlotte hitters he faced this past weekend in an economical complete-game effort.
"That was as overmatched as I have seen a decent D-1 college team in a long time outside of the upper-echelon pitchers like Stephen Strasburg, David Price and Carlos Rodon, when he is going good," a National League scout said.
He displayed everything evaluators wanted to see, making Freeland a likely first-round pick with the potential to go in the top half of the round. Freeland garnered 22 swinging strikes on the day and retired 19 straight hitters at one point.
He's probably about as close to major-league ready as anyone in this year's class. You know, if you're into that kind of thing.
Whatever happened to that "can't miss" prospect who beaned the guy in the on deck circle?
Ben Christensen (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=18208)? Not sure he was ever "can't miss".
Given the tommy john disease epidemic, i wouldn't be surprised to see the cubs sign the best hitter at the top pick, then draft pitchers with all the other picks.
Quote from: Eli on May 15, 2014, 09:16:30 AM
Since Hoffman is off the board, there's been some Twitter talk about the Cubs taking Kyle Freeland from Evansville at #4. Sounds like he's shooting up the board pretty quickly.
Scouting report (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/game-report-evansvilles-kyle-freeland/), if anyone is interested.
QuoteCombining impeccable command with plus stuff, Evansville lefthander Kyle Freeland produced one of the most dominant starts of the college season, striking out nearly half (47 percent) of the 32 Charlotte hitters he faced this past weekend in an economical complete-game effort.
"That was as overmatched as I have seen a decent D-1 college team in a long time outside of the upper-echelon pitchers like Stephen Strasburg, David Price and Carlos Rodon, when he is going good," a National League scout said.
He displayed everything evaluators wanted to see, making Freeland a likely first-round pick with the potential to go in the top half of the round. Freeland garnered 22 swinging strikes on the day and retired 19 straight hitters at one point.
He's probably about as close to major-league ready as anyone in this year's class. You know, if you're into that kind of thing.
Intrepid Reader: IANExcept Aaron Nola.
In case you haven't heard.
Quote from: Tonker on May 15, 2014, 09:33:52 AM
Quote from: CBStew on May 15, 2014, 09:18:58 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 15, 2014, 09:16:30 AM
Since Hoffman is off the board, there's been some Twitter talk about the Cubs taking Kyle Freeland from Evansville at #4. Sounds like he's shooting up the board pretty quickly.
Scouting report (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/game-report-evansvilles-kyle-freeland/), if anyone is interested.
QuoteCombining impeccable command with plus stuff, Evansville lefthander Kyle Freeland produced one of the most dominant starts of the college season, striking out nearly half (47 percent) of the 32 Charlotte hitters he faced this past weekend in an economical complete-game effort.
"That was as overmatched as I have seen a decent D-1 college team in a long time outside of the upper-echelon pitchers like Stephen Strasburg, David Price and Carlos Rodon, when he is going good," a National League scout said.
He displayed everything evaluators wanted to see, making Freeland a likely first-round pick with the potential to go in the top half of the round. Freeland garnered 22 swinging strikes on the day and retired 19 straight hitters at one point.
He's probably about as close to major-league ready as anyone in this year's class. You know, if you're into that kind of thing.
Whatever happened to that "can't miss" prospect who beaned the guy in the on deck circle?
Ben Christensen (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=18208)? Not sure he was ever "can't miss".
Except when brushing back on deck hitters, apparently.
Quote from: ChuckD on May 15, 2014, 10:18:46 AM
Quote from: Tonker on May 15, 2014, 09:33:52 AM
Quote from: CBStew on May 15, 2014, 09:18:58 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 15, 2014, 09:16:30 AM
Since Hoffman is off the board, there's been some Twitter talk about the Cubs taking Kyle Freeland from Evansville at #4. Sounds like he's shooting up the board pretty quickly.
Scouting report (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/game-report-evansvilles-kyle-freeland/), if anyone is interested.
QuoteCombining impeccable command with plus stuff, Evansville lefthander Kyle Freeland produced one of the most dominant starts of the college season, striking out nearly half (47 percent) of the 32 Charlotte hitters he faced this past weekend in an economical complete-game effort.
"That was as overmatched as I have seen a decent D-1 college team in a long time outside of the upper-echelon pitchers like Stephen Strasburg, David Price and Carlos Rodon, when he is going good," a National League scout said.
He displayed everything evaluators wanted to see, making Freeland a likely first-round pick with the potential to go in the top half of the round. Freeland garnered 22 swinging strikes on the day and retired 19 straight hitters at one point.
He's probably about as close to major-league ready as anyone in this year's class. You know, if you're into that kind of thing.
Whatever happened to that "can't miss" prospect who beaned the guy in the on deck circle?
Ben Christensen (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=18208)? Not sure he was ever "can't miss".
Except when brushing back on deck hitters, apparently.
What ever happened to Ben Christensen? (http://qctimes.com/what-ever-happened-to-ben-christensen/article_57544704-2f9a-11de-ac0b-001cc4c002e0.html)
QuoteHe still lives in Wichita, Kan., and is viewed as an icon there by some.
When he was introduced at Wichita State's annual First Pitch Banquet just nine months after his beaning of Anthony Molina, Christensen received a standing ovation.
But his life didn't turn out the way he hoped, any more than Molina's did.
Christensen was drafted by the Chicago Cubs as the 26th overall pick in 1999, but he never came close to making it to the major leagues. He had frequent arm problems and spent five years in the Cubs' minor league system, never rising above the Class AA level before being released in May 2003. He pitched in just 60 games in five years, compiling a won-loss record of 12-18.
Christensen has refused all interview requests, even from his hometown newspaper.
Molina said he never had a chance to talk to Christensen and never has had any desire to do so.
"We're both in different places in our lives right now," he said. "I don't ever think about him at all.'
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 15, 2014, 10:25:17 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 15, 2014, 10:18:46 AM
Quote from: Tonker on May 15, 2014, 09:33:52 AM
Quote from: CBStew on May 15, 2014, 09:18:58 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 15, 2014, 09:16:30 AM
Since Hoffman is off the board, there's been some Twitter talk about the Cubs taking Kyle Freeland from Evansville at #4. Sounds like he's shooting up the board pretty quickly.
Scouting report (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/game-report-evansvilles-kyle-freeland/), if anyone is interested.
QuoteCombining impeccable command with plus stuff, Evansville lefthander Kyle Freeland produced one of the most dominant starts of the college season, striking out nearly half (47 percent) of the 32 Charlotte hitters he faced this past weekend in an economical complete-game effort.
"That was as overmatched as I have seen a decent D-1 college team in a long time outside of the upper-echelon pitchers like Stephen Strasburg, David Price and Carlos Rodon, when he is going good," a National League scout said.
He displayed everything evaluators wanted to see, making Freeland a likely first-round pick with the potential to go in the top half of the round. Freeland garnered 22 swinging strikes on the day and retired 19 straight hitters at one point.
He's probably about as close to major-league ready as anyone in this year's class. You know, if you're into that kind of thing.
Whatever happened to that "can't miss" prospect who beaned the guy in the on deck circle?
Ben Christensen (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=18208)? Not sure he was ever "can't miss".
Except when brushing back on deck hitters, apparently.
What ever happened to Ben Christensen? (http://qctimes.com/what-ever-happened-to-ben-christensen/article_57544704-2f9a-11de-ac0b-001cc4c002e0.html)
QuoteHe still lives in Wichita, Kan., and is viewed as an icon there by some.
When he was introduced at Wichita State's annual First Pitch Banquet just nine months after his beaning of Anthony Molina, Christensen received a standing ovation.
But his life didn't turn out the way he hoped, any more than Molina's did.
Christensen was drafted by the Chicago Cubs as the 26th overall pick in 1999, but he never came close to making it to the major leagues. He had frequent arm problems and spent five years in the Cubs' minor league system, never rising above the Class AA level before being released in May 2003. He pitched in just 60 games in five years, compiling a won-loss record of 12-18.
Christensen has refused all interview requests, even from his hometown newspaper.
Molina said he never had a chance to talk to Christensen and never has had any desire to do so.
"We're both in different places in our lives right now," he said. "I don't ever think about him at all.'
Luckily, we still have Bobby Brownlie to offset the low times of that era's pitching prospects.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 15, 2014, 10:26:19 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 15, 2014, 10:25:17 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 15, 2014, 10:18:46 AM
Quote from: Tonker on May 15, 2014, 09:33:52 AM
Quote from: CBStew on May 15, 2014, 09:18:58 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 15, 2014, 09:16:30 AM
Since Hoffman is off the board, there's been some Twitter talk about the Cubs taking Kyle Freeland from Evansville at #4. Sounds like he's shooting up the board pretty quickly.
Scouting report (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/game-report-evansvilles-kyle-freeland/), if anyone is interested.
QuoteCombining impeccable command with plus stuff, Evansville lefthander Kyle Freeland produced one of the most dominant starts of the college season, striking out nearly half (47 percent) of the 32 Charlotte hitters he faced this past weekend in an economical complete-game effort.
"That was as overmatched as I have seen a decent D-1 college team in a long time outside of the upper-echelon pitchers like Stephen Strasburg, David Price and Carlos Rodon, when he is going good," a National League scout said.
He displayed everything evaluators wanted to see, making Freeland a likely first-round pick with the potential to go in the top half of the round. Freeland garnered 22 swinging strikes on the day and retired 19 straight hitters at one point.
He's probably about as close to major-league ready as anyone in this year's class. You know, if you're into that kind of thing.
Whatever happened to that "can't miss" prospect who beaned the guy in the on deck circle?
Ben Christensen (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=18208)? Not sure he was ever "can't miss".
Except when brushing back on deck hitters, apparently.
What ever happened to Ben Christensen? (http://qctimes.com/what-ever-happened-to-ben-christensen/article_57544704-2f9a-11de-ac0b-001cc4c002e0.html)
QuoteHe still lives in Wichita, Kan., and is viewed as an icon there by some.
When he was introduced at Wichita State's annual First Pitch Banquet just nine months after his beaning of Anthony Molina, Christensen received a standing ovation.
But his life didn't turn out the way he hoped, any more than Molina's did.
Christensen was drafted by the Chicago Cubs as the 26th overall pick in 1999, but he never came close to making it to the major leagues. He had frequent arm problems and spent five years in the Cubs' minor league system, never rising above the Class AA level before being released in May 2003. He pitched in just 60 games in five years, compiling a won-loss record of 12-18.
Christensen has refused all interview requests, even from his hometown newspaper.
Molina said he never had a chance to talk to Christensen and never has had any desire to do so.
"We're both in different places in our lives right now," he said. "I don't ever think about him at all.'
Luckily, we still have Bobby Brownlie to offset the low times of that era's pitching prospects.
He got a standing ovation and is an icon there?
Wasn't Molina at one time a decent prospect until he basically lost sight in one eye? His life now, per Tonk's listing, is truly awful.
Something Something Kris Bryant's hangdown.
Come the fuck on, guys.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 15, 2014, 11:29:43 AM
Something Something Kris Bryant's hangdown.
Come the fuck on, guys.
(http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/841397406.gif?1393629593)
Quote from: BH on May 15, 2014, 09:58:00 AM
Quote from: Tonker on May 15, 2014, 09:33:52 AM
Quote from: CBStew on May 15, 2014, 09:18:58 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 15, 2014, 09:16:30 AM
Since Hoffman is off the board, there's been some Twitter talk about the Cubs taking Kyle Freeland from Evansville at #4. Sounds like he's shooting up the board pretty quickly.
Scouting report (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/game-report-evansvilles-kyle-freeland/), if anyone is interested.
QuoteCombining impeccable command with plus stuff, Evansville lefthander Kyle Freeland produced one of the most dominant starts of the college season, striking out nearly half (47 percent) of the 32 Charlotte hitters he faced this past weekend in an economical complete-game effort.
"That was as overmatched as I have seen a decent D-1 college team in a long time outside of the upper-echelon pitchers like Stephen Strasburg, David Price and Carlos Rodon, when he is going good," a National League scout said.
He displayed everything evaluators wanted to see, making Freeland a likely first-round pick with the potential to go in the top half of the round. Freeland garnered 22 swinging strikes on the day and retired 19 straight hitters at one point.
He's probably about as close to major-league ready as anyone in this year's class. You know, if you're into that kind of thing.
Whatever happened to that "can't miss" prospect who beaned the guy in the on deck circle?
Ben Christensen (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=18208)? Not sure he was ever "can't miss".
Given the tommy john disease epidemic, i wouldn't be surprised to see the cubs sign the best hitter at the top pick, then draft pitchers with all the other picks.
Article today (http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/05/15/sahadev-sharma-sorting-out-the-chicago-cubs-draft-options-and-preferences/) from Sahadev Sharma on some options for the Cubs at 4.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 15, 2014, 11:38:12 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 15, 2014, 11:29:43 AM
Something Something Kris Bryant's hangdown.
Come the fuck on, guys.
(http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/841397406.gif?1393629593)
I love that gif because 1.) Kris Bryant 2.) Drooling over a prospect's home run as the Cubs are losing 13-1 is the perfect microcosm for this year.
But still. Kris Bryant.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 15, 2014, 11:45:21 AM
Quote from: BH on May 15, 2014, 09:58:00 AM
Quote from: Tonker on May 15, 2014, 09:33:52 AM
Quote from: CBStew on May 15, 2014, 09:18:58 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 15, 2014, 09:16:30 AM
Since Hoffman is off the board, there's been some Twitter talk about the Cubs taking Kyle Freeland from Evansville at #4. Sounds like he's shooting up the board pretty quickly.
Scouting report (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/game-report-evansvilles-kyle-freeland/), if anyone is interested.
QuoteCombining impeccable command with plus stuff, Evansville lefthander Kyle Freeland produced one of the most dominant starts of the college season, striking out nearly half (47 percent) of the 32 Charlotte hitters he faced this past weekend in an economical complete-game effort.
"That was as overmatched as I have seen a decent D-1 college team in a long time outside of the upper-echelon pitchers like Stephen Strasburg, David Price and Carlos Rodon, when he is going good," a National League scout said.
He displayed everything evaluators wanted to see, making Freeland a likely first-round pick with the potential to go in the top half of the round. Freeland garnered 22 swinging strikes on the day and retired 19 straight hitters at one point.
He's probably about as close to major-league ready as anyone in this year's class. You know, if you're into that kind of thing.
Whatever happened to that "can't miss" prospect who beaned the guy in the on deck circle?
Ben Christensen (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=18208)? Not sure he was ever "can't miss".
Given the tommy john disease epidemic, i wouldn't be surprised to see the cubs sign the best hitter at the top pick, then draft pitchers with all the other picks.
Article today (http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/05/15/sahadev-sharma-sorting-out-the-chicago-cubs-draft-options-and-preferences/) from Sahadev Sharma on some options for the Cubs at 4.
I don't know who Sahadev Sharma is, but I think that he must be Paul Bunyan's twin brother since he refers to a 5"10" prospect as "diminutive".
Quote from: Eli on May 15, 2014, 11:50:41 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 15, 2014, 11:38:12 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 15, 2014, 11:29:43 AM
Something Something Kris Bryant's hangdown.
Come the fuck on, guys.
(http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/841397406.gif?1393629593)
I love that gif because 1.) Kris Bryant 2.) Drooling over a prospect's home run as the Cubs are losing 13-1 is the perfect microcosm for this year.
being able to complain about the score of a Spring Training game works perfectly with my doom and gloom attitude about the Cubs.
But still. Kris Bryant.
Eli'd
Quote from: PenFoe on May 15, 2014, 11:45:21 AM
Article today (http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/05/15/sahadev-sharma-sorting-out-the-chicago-cubs-draft-options-and-preferences/) from Sahadev Sharma on some options for the Cubs at 4.
Posting this so it appears directly below your latest post:
Thank God the Cubs did all that tanking last season so they could get the fourth pick in a three-player draft (if that).
Quote from: CBStew on May 15, 2014, 11:54:00 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 15, 2014, 11:45:21 AM
Quote from: BH on May 15, 2014, 09:58:00 AM
Quote from: Tonker on May 15, 2014, 09:33:52 AM
Quote from: CBStew on May 15, 2014, 09:18:58 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 15, 2014, 09:16:30 AM
Since Hoffman is off the board, there's been some Twitter talk about the Cubs taking Kyle Freeland from Evansville at #4. Sounds like he's shooting up the board pretty quickly.
Scouting report (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/game-report-evansvilles-kyle-freeland/), if anyone is interested.
QuoteCombining impeccable command with plus stuff, Evansville lefthander Kyle Freeland produced one of the most dominant starts of the college season, striking out nearly half (47 percent) of the 32 Charlotte hitters he faced this past weekend in an economical complete-game effort.
"That was as overmatched as I have seen a decent D-1 college team in a long time outside of the upper-echelon pitchers like Stephen Strasburg, David Price and Carlos Rodon, when he is going good," a National League scout said.
He displayed everything evaluators wanted to see, making Freeland a likely first-round pick with the potential to go in the top half of the round. Freeland garnered 22 swinging strikes on the day and retired 19 straight hitters at one point.
He's probably about as close to major-league ready as anyone in this year's class. You know, if you're into that kind of thing.
Whatever happened to that "can't miss" prospect who beaned the guy in the on deck circle?
Ben Christensen (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=18208)? Not sure he was ever "can't miss".
Given the tommy john disease epidemic, i wouldn't be surprised to see the cubs sign the best hitter at the top pick, then draft pitchers with all the other picks.
Article today (http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/05/15/sahadev-sharma-sorting-out-the-chicago-cubs-draft-options-and-preferences/) from Sahadev Sharma on some options for the Cubs at 4.
I don't know who Sahadev Sharma is, but I think that he must be Paul Bunyan's twin brother since he refers to a 5"10" prospect as "diminutive".
The average height among MLB pitchers is around 6'3", so 5'10" (relatively speaking)
is rather "diminutive."
Quote from: ChuckD on May 15, 2014, 12:10:49 PM
Quote from: CBStew on May 15, 2014, 11:54:00 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 15, 2014, 11:45:21 AM
Quote from: BH on May 15, 2014, 09:58:00 AM
Quote from: Tonker on May 15, 2014, 09:33:52 AM
Quote from: CBStew on May 15, 2014, 09:18:58 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 15, 2014, 09:16:30 AM
Since Hoffman is off the board, there's been some Twitter talk about the Cubs taking Kyle Freeland from Evansville at #4. Sounds like he's shooting up the board pretty quickly.
Scouting report (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/game-report-evansvilles-kyle-freeland/), if anyone is interested.
QuoteCombining impeccable command with plus stuff, Evansville lefthander Kyle Freeland produced one of the most dominant starts of the college season, striking out nearly half (47 percent) of the 32 Charlotte hitters he faced this past weekend in an economical complete-game effort.
"That was as overmatched as I have seen a decent D-1 college team in a long time outside of the upper-echelon pitchers like Stephen Strasburg, David Price and Carlos Rodon, when he is going good," a National League scout said.
He displayed everything evaluators wanted to see, making Freeland a likely first-round pick with the potential to go in the top half of the round. Freeland garnered 22 swinging strikes on the day and retired 19 straight hitters at one point.
He's probably about as close to major-league ready as anyone in this year's class. You know, if you're into that kind of thing.
Whatever happened to that "can't miss" prospect who beaned the guy in the on deck circle?
Ben Christensen (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=18208)? Not sure he was ever "can't miss".
Given the tommy john disease epidemic, i wouldn't be surprised to see the cubs sign the best hitter at the top pick, then draft pitchers with all the other picks.
Article today (http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/05/15/sahadev-sharma-sorting-out-the-chicago-cubs-draft-options-and-preferences/) from Sahadev Sharma on some options for the Cubs at 4.
I don't know who Sahadev Sharma is, but I think that he must be Paul Bunyan's twin brother since he refers to a 5"10" prospect as "diminutive".
The average height among MLB pitchers is around 6'3", so 5'10" (relatively speaking) is rather "diminutive."
No. "Diminutive" is Dinklage size. 5'10" is shorter than average for a pitcher. (Notice I used Dinklage, not Oleg or CBStew)
Quote from: Eli on May 15, 2014, 12:00:53 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 15, 2014, 11:45:21 AM
Article today (http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/05/15/sahadev-sharma-sorting-out-the-chicago-cubs-draft-options-and-preferences/) from Sahadev Sharma on some options for the Cubs at 4.
Posting this so it appears directly below your latest post:
Thank God the Cubs did all that tanking last season so they could get the fourth pick in a three-player draft (if that).
So you're saying they didn't tank enough then. Agreed! The #1 pick is where it's at.
Quote from: Eli on May 15, 2014, 09:16:30 AM
Since Hoffman is off the board, there's been some Twitter talk about the Cubs taking Kyle Freeland from Evansville at #4. Sounds like he's shooting up the board pretty quickly.
Scouting report (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/game-report-evansvilles-kyle-freeland/), if anyone is interested.
QuoteCombining impeccable command with plus stuff, Evansville lefthander Kyle Freeland produced one of the most dominant starts of the college season, striking out nearly half (47 percent) of the 32 Charlotte hitters he faced this past weekend in an economical complete-game effort.
"That was as overmatched as I have seen a decent D-1 college team in a long time outside of the upper-echelon pitchers like Stephen Strasburg, David Price and Carlos Rodon, when he is going good," a National League scout said.
He displayed everything evaluators wanted to see, making Freeland a likely first-round pick with the potential to go in the top half of the round. Freeland garnered 22 swinging strikes on the day and retired 19 straight hitters at one point.
He's probably about as close to major-league ready as anyone in this year's class. You know, if you're into that kind of thing.
DPD. He says he dominated
a decent D-1 team mighty Charlotte, 7-19-1 at the time (http://www.gopurpleaces.com/news/2014/4/4/BB_0404143400.aspx)? There's no way he'll be available for the Cubs at 4.
Kyle Hendricks is continuing to dominate.
http://boxscorenews.com/iowa-cubs-hendricks-dominating-performance-derails-round-rock-express-p87417-68.htm
Apparently he has a 1.94 FIP. Holy shit.
Quote from: Slaky on May 16, 2014, 08:01:38 AM
Kyle Hendricks is continuing to dominate.
http://boxscorenews.com/iowa-cubs-hendricks-dominating-performance-derails-round-rock-express-p87417-68.htm
Apparently he has a 1.94 FIP. Holy shit.
It'd be great if he's a thing. I'm assuming he'll the be the first guy up if/when Hammel or Shark are traded. Should be a good test for him.
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2014, 08:29:25 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 16, 2014, 08:01:38 AM
Kyle Hendricks is continuing to dominate.
http://boxscorenews.com/iowa-cubs-hendricks-dominating-performance-derails-round-rock-express-p87417-68.htm
Apparently he has a 1.94 FIP. Holy shit.
It'd be great if he's a thing. I'm assuming he'll the be the first guy up if/when Hammel or Shark are traded. Should be a good test for him.
Sounds like that's the idea. I'm also highly intrigued by Wada who has been excellent as well. He's not a prospect but an old pro who's carving up the PCL. Could help out as well.
In shitty news, I guess Soler tweaked his hamstring again.
Quote from: Slaky on May 16, 2014, 08:33:12 AM
In shitty news, I guess Soler tweaked his hamstring again.
God damn it.
I also saw the stat that Baez is 4-for-his-last-40 with 20 Ks (!), with no extra-base hits. That's pushed me straight into, "I'm not even mad; that's amazing" territory.
I really feel like there has to be something else going on besides just facing guys with slightly better breaking balls. Maybe he's hiding an injury or something, because there's no reasonable explanation for all this.
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2014, 08:44:10 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 16, 2014, 08:33:12 AM
In shitty news, I guess Soler tweaked his hamstring again.
God damn it.
I also saw the stat that Baez is 4-for-his-last-40 with 20 Ks (!), with no extra-base hits. That's pushed me straight into, "I'm not even mad; that's amazing" territory.
I really feel like there has to be something else going on besides just facing guys with slightly better breaking balls. Maybe he's hiding an injury or something, because there's no reasonable explanation for all this.
You have a lot of people making excuses for him - a lot of which are around the experienced junk ballers he's facing. Also around his age which is close to the lowest in all of AAA.
Maybe he's not a supernova. Maybe he's not Miguel Cabrera (even if they grow on trees). That doesn't mean he's bad.
I'm trying to focus on stuff like Hendricks and Bryant while Baez works his stuff out. In the long run, I hope this is good for him. He probably needed to get knocked down a peg.
Quote from: Slaky on May 16, 2014, 09:10:29 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2014, 08:44:10 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 16, 2014, 08:33:12 AM
In shitty news, I guess Soler tweaked his hamstring again.
God damn it.
I also saw the stat that Baez is 4-for-his-last-40 with 20 Ks (!), with no extra-base hits. That's pushed me straight into, "I'm not even mad; that's amazing" territory.
I really feel like there has to be something else going on besides just facing guys with slightly better breaking balls. Maybe he's hiding an injury or something, because there's no reasonable explanation for all this.
You have a lot of people making excuses for him - a lot of which are around the experienced junk ballers he's facing. Also around his age which is close to the lowest in all of AAA.
Maybe he's not a supernova. Maybe he's not Miguel Cabrera (even if they grow on trees). That doesn't mean he's bad.
I'm trying to focus on stuff like Hendricks and Bryant while Baez works his stuff out. In the long run, I hope this is good for him. He probably needed to get knocked down a peg.
What's that? Baez might not reach his ceiling because of poor plate discipline? That sort of opinion ain't allowed 'round these parts, pal. Get your mind right.
Quote from: Slaky on May 16, 2014, 09:10:29 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2014, 08:44:10 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 16, 2014, 08:33:12 AM
In shitty news, I guess Soler tweaked his hamstring again.
God damn it.
I also saw the stat that Baez is 4-for-his-last-40 with 20 Ks (!), with no extra-base hits. That's pushed me straight into, "I'm not even mad; that's amazing" territory.
I really feel like there has to be something else going on besides just facing guys with slightly better breaking balls. Maybe he's hiding an injury or something, because there's no reasonable explanation for all this.
You have a lot of people making excuses for him - a lot of which are around the experienced junk ballers he's facing. Also around his age which is close to the lowest in all of AAA.
Maybe he's not a supernova. Maybe he's not Miguel Cabrera (even if they grow on trees). That doesn't mean he's bad.
I'm trying to focus on stuff like Hendricks and Bryant while Baez works his stuff out. In the long run, I hope this is good for him. He probably needed to get knocked down a peg.
They can't all be Kris Bryants, riding white-hot dong rockets straight from the draft to World Series MVP.
And better Javy work it out now than later, I guess.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 16, 2014, 09:32:22 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 16, 2014, 09:10:29 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2014, 08:44:10 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 16, 2014, 08:33:12 AM
In shitty news, I guess Soler tweaked his hamstring again.
God damn it.
I also saw the stat that Baez is 4-for-his-last-40 with 20 Ks (!), with no extra-base hits. That's pushed me straight into, "I'm not even mad; that's amazing" territory.
I really feel like there has to be something else going on besides just facing guys with slightly better breaking balls. Maybe he's hiding an injury or something, because there's no reasonable explanation for all this.
You have a lot of people making excuses for him - a lot of which are around the experienced junk ballers he's facing. Also around his age which is close to the lowest in all of AAA.
Maybe he's not a supernova. Maybe he's not Miguel Cabrera (even if they grow on trees). That doesn't mean he's bad.
I'm trying to focus on stuff like Hendricks and Bryant while Baez works his stuff out. In the long run, I hope this is good for him. He probably needed to get knocked down a peg.
They can't all be Kris Bryants, riding white-hot dong rockets straight from the draft to World Series MVP.
And better Javy work it out now than later, I guess.
Better now than later and better to start slow in Triple A than the majors, too. It's still really early. He could have a torrid June and everyone would forget all about this.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on May 16, 2014, 09:40:38 AM
It's still really early.
It's ... earlyish. But not "really early." 118 plate apperances is enough to have some statistical meaning.
I'm still betting on an injury and a short DL stint at some point if this keeps up.
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2014, 09:56:16 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on May 16, 2014, 09:40:38 AM
It's still really early.
It's ... earlyish. But not "really early." 118 plate apperances is enough to have some statistical meaning.
I'm still betting on an injury and a short DL stint at some point if this keeps up.
None of this would be happening if Ricketts had done the right thing and let Baez start the season in the major leagues. Cheap bastard!
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2014, 09:56:16 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on May 16, 2014, 09:40:38 AM
It's still really early.
It's ... earlyish. But not "really early." 118 plate apperances is enough to have some statistical meaning.
I'm still betting on an injury and a short DL stint at some point if this keeps up.
His first 118 plate appearances in AAA at 21 years old. It's still early.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 16, 2014, 10:00:51 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2014, 09:56:16 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on May 16, 2014, 09:40:38 AM
It's still really early.
It's ... earlyish. But not "really early." 118 plate apperances is enough to have some statistical meaning.
I'm still betting on an injury and a short DL stint at some point if this keeps up.
His first 118 plate appearances in AAA at 21 years old. It's still early.
A few things on this:
1. It's way, way early.
2. He's probably hurt.
3. Even worst case scenario, that he's overmatched and he's never going to figure this out, the beauty of this whole thing is that, for the first time the entire hopes don't seem to be riding on one guy (See Patterson, Pie) and they can afford for some of these guys to not pan out (as they no doubt will.)
But fuck, I hope it's not Baez.
Without mocking for real, I think it's totally normal to be concerned about Baez. I wish he was doing better.
I think he will start doing better at some point because even if he's not Cabrera or whatever, he's not as bad as this, either.
Will he get hot enough to make his overall numbers look good by the end of it all? Hope so.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 16, 2014, 10:06:07 AM
3. Even worst case scenario, that he's overmatched and he's never going to figure this out, the beauty of this whole thing is that, for the first time the entire hopes don't seem to be riding on one guy (See Patterson, Pie) and they can afford for some of these guys to not pan out (as they no doubt will.)
I feel like this is where we disagree. No, they haven't pinned their hopes on one guy (I don't think the previous regime did either). I just don't think their margin for error is as high as you do. There are some guys in the minors who may turn into nice, cost-effective players early in their career. But they really only have 3-4 guys with truly elite potential. And given how barren the current major-league roster is, they pretty much need them all to pan out on some level. Having just 1-2 of those guys pan out isn't going to be enough if they stick to this all-homegrown approach for a few more years.
The easiest path to them competing is for both Baez and Bryant to become 6-win monsters because that would cover up a lot of flaws in the system. That's why Baez's start is disappointing.
Again, it's unreasonable to declare Baez a bust after this start. But it's also unreasonable to just pretend it's not at least a little bit concerning. There are shades of gray here -- not everyone has to be completely divided into either the Sunshine and Lollipops Stockholm Syndrome camp or my alleged Chicken Little Doom and Gloom camp.
If one of the "Core Four" is going to flame out, the best-case scenario is for it to be the guy who plays the same position as Starlin Castro.
Quote from: Fork on May 16, 2014, 11:05:59 AM
If one of the "Core Four" is going to flame out, the best-case scenario is for it to be the guy who plays the same position as Starlin Castro.
I can't agree with this at all. If Baez flames out it's really fucking bad.
Quote from: Slaky on May 16, 2014, 11:18:43 AM
Quote from: Fork on May 16, 2014, 11:05:59 AM
If one of the "Core Four" is going to flame out, the best-case scenario is for it to be the guy who plays the same position as Starlin Castro.
I can't agree with this at all. If Baez flames out it's really fucking bad.
This. If I'm choosing a prospect to flame out, it's not going to be their highest-ranked, highest-ceiling guy. It'd probably have to be Soler, because it's much easier to find a corner OF than a guy who could hit 40 homers playing middle infield.
Again, if we're choosing who we want to fail, or whatever is happening here.
Quote from: Slaky on May 16, 2014, 11:18:43 AM
Quote from: Fork on May 16, 2014, 11:05:59 AM
If one of the "Core Four" is going to flame out, the best-case scenario is for it to be the guy who plays the same position as Starlin Castro.
I can't agree with this at all. If Baez flames out it's really fucking bad.
He's not flaming out. He's having a bad two months. Fucking chill. Also, if one of the "Core Four" is going to flame out, the best-case scenario is for it to be the guy who was drafted by the Hendry regime.
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2014, 10:37:23 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 16, 2014, 10:06:07 AM
3. Even worst case scenario, that he's overmatched and he's never going to figure this out, the beauty of this whole thing is that, for the first time the entire hopes don't seem to be riding on one guy (See Patterson, Pie) and they can afford for some of these guys to not pan out (as they no doubt will.)
I feel like this is where we disagree. No, they haven't pinned their hopes on one guy (I don't think the previous regime did either). I just don't think their margin for error is as high as you do. There are some guys in the minors who may turn into nice, cost-effective players early in their career. But they really only have 3-4 guys with truly elite potential. And given how barren the current major-league roster is, they pretty much need them all to pan out on some level. Having just 1-2 of those guys pan out isn't going to be enough if they stick to this all-homegrown approach for a few more years.
The easiest path to them competing is for both Baez and Bryant to become 6-win monsters because that would cover up a lot of flaws in the system. That's why Baez's start is disappointing.
Again, it's unreasonable to declare Baez a bust after this start. But it's also unreasonable to just pretend it's not at least a little bit concerning. There are shades of gray here -- not everyone has to be completely divided into either the Sunshine and Lollipops Stockholm Syndrome camp or my alleged Chicken Little Doom and Gloom camp.
I'm basically with you on this - the flip side of your argument though is it's possible to have a very good team without having multiple 6-ish win monsters.
It's a small sample, but here are last year's playoff teams and the number of studs on each team per Fangraphs (I used an arbitrary cutoff of 5 WAR):
Red Sox (3) - Ellsbury, Victorino, Pedroia
Cardinals (3) - Carpenter, Molina, Wainwright
A's (1) - Donaldson (!)
Braves (0)
Pirates (1) - McCutchen
Tigers (4) - Cabrera, Scherzer, Anibal, Verlander
Rays (2) - Longoria, Zobrist
Dodgers (3) - Kershaw, Uribe (!), Hanley
Indians (0)
Reds (2) - Votto, Choo
The Orioles (Davis & Machado) and Rangers (Beltre & Darvish) also had two 5+ WAR players, but didn't make the playoffs. So there were 8 teams last year that had two or more studs and 6 of them made the playoffs - so if you can get two of those guys, you're right that it's a good recipe for success.
But 4 of the 10 playoff teams had 1 or fewer studs worth 5+ WAR. It would require a deeper dive into history and maybe last year was an outlier, but it at least demonstrates that it's possible to build a playoff team with one stud and a whole bunch of the nice, cost-effective players 2-to-4ish WAR players that you described (Alcantara? Hendricks? Vizcaino?). And if you've got just 2 studs you've got a damn good shot at being one of the best teams in the league.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 16, 2014, 11:23:16 AM
Also, if one of the "Core Four" is going to flame out, the best-case scenario is for it to be the guy who was drafted by the Hendry regime.
What does that have to do with anything?
By the way here's the list of Cubs 5+ WAR players in the last 10 years:
2009: Derecles
2007: Adolpho (FYC)
2005: Derecles
2004: Moises
That's it.
2004 Korey (FYC), 2008 Dempster and 2011 Garza just missed the cut.
Quote from: R-V on May 16, 2014, 11:35:13 AM
By the way here's the list of Cubs 5+ WAR players in the last 10 years:
2009: Derecles
2007: Adolpho (FYC)
2005: Derecles
2004: Moises
That's it.
2004 Korey (FYC), 2008 Dempster and 2011 Garza just missed the cut.
That's all good stuff you pulled. My larger point still stands (with which you agree!), and I probably should have been more selective about just throwing the 5 WAR number out there.
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2014, 11:38:21 AM
Quote from: R-V on May 16, 2014, 11:35:13 AM
By the way here's the list of Cubs 5+ WAR players in the last 10 years:
2009: Derecles
2007: Adolpho (FYC)
2005: Derecles
2004: Moises
That's it.
2004 Korey (FYC), 2008 Dempster and 2011 Garza just missed the cut.
That's all good stuff you pulled. My larger point still stands (with which you agree!), and I probably should have been more selective about just throwing the 5 WAR number out there.
So we're all in agreement then - Baez is going to pull his head out of his ass post-haste so we can stop stressing about it. And maybe for good measure Soler could play 50 games in a row without getting hurt.
If one of the Core Four was going to flame out I'd really prefer it not be the one that was supposed to be the closest to big league ready. But that's just me.
Quote from: SKO on May 16, 2014, 12:08:58 PM
If one of the Core Four was going to flame out I'd really prefer it not be the one that was supposed to be the closest to big league ready. But that's just me.
That's Bryant, and he's fucking awesome.
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2014, 11:31:09 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 16, 2014, 11:23:16 AM
Also, if one of the "Core Four" is going to flame out, the best-case scenario is for it to be the guy who was drafted by the Hendry regime.
What does that have to do with anything?
Just for my own peace of mind so I can blame Hendry. Obviously, any prospect flaming out is grounds for a lengthy couch-fainting. I might be able to shake it off faster if the guys doing the drafting now are pouring bonerific draft picks into my prospect Tervis.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 16, 2014, 12:38:57 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2014, 11:31:09 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 16, 2014, 11:23:16 AM
Also, if one of the "Core Four" is going to flame out, the best-case scenario is for it to be the guy who was drafted by the Hendry regime.
What does that have to do with anything?
Just for my own peace of mind so I can blame Hendry. Obviously, any prospect flaming out is grounds for a lengthy couch-fainting. I might be able to shake it off faster if the guys doing the drafting now are pouring bonerific draft picks into my prospect Tervis.
One of my old clients, total shit show.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 16, 2014, 12:40:28 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 16, 2014, 12:38:57 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2014, 11:31:09 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 16, 2014, 11:23:16 AM
Also, if one of the "Core Four" is going to flame out, the best-case scenario is for it to be the guy who was drafted by the Hendry regime.
What does that have to do with anything?
Just for my own peace of mind so I can blame Hendry. Obviously, any prospect flaming out is grounds for a lengthy couch-fainting. I might be able to shake it off faster if the guys doing the drafting now are pouring bonerific draft picks into my prospect Tervis.
One of my old clients, total shit show.
They make great gifts.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 16, 2014, 11:23:16 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 16, 2014, 11:18:43 AM
Quote from: Fork on May 16, 2014, 11:05:59 AM
If one of the "Core Four" is going to flame out, the best-case scenario is for it to be the guy who plays the same position as Starlin Castro.
I can't agree with this at all. If Baez flames out it's really fucking bad.
He's not flaming out. He's having a bad two months. Fucking chill. Also, if one of the "Core Four" is going to flame out, the best-case scenario is for it to be the guy who was drafted by the Hendry regime.
Thanks, I will chill even though I am chilled as fuck.
Seriously I'm not worried in the least - I'm just answering Fork's hypothetical "best-case scenario"
Quote from: InternetApex on May 16, 2014, 12:38:57 PM
Just for my own peace of mind so I can blame Hendry. Obviously, any prospect flaming out is grounds for a lengthy couch-fainting. I might be able to shake it off faster if the guys doing the drafting now are pouring bonerific draft picks into my prospect Tervis.
The guys doing the drafting now took Cory Spangenberg immediately after Baez (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Major_League_Baseball_Draft), so that's almost certainly who the Cubs would have now instead of Baez if this group had been in charge back then.
At least if Baez flames out it would help Theo avoid another Dan Duquette narrative whenever the Cubs get good. Maybe that's what he wants.
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2014, 11:20:55 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 16, 2014, 11:18:43 AM
Quote from: Fork on May 16, 2014, 11:05:59 AM
If one of the "Core Four" is going to flame out, the best-case scenario is for it to be the guy who plays the same position as Starlin Castro.
I can't agree with this at all. If Baez flames out it's really fucking bad.
This. If I'm choosing a prospect to flame out, it's not going to be their highest-ranked, highest-ceiling guy. It'd probably have to be Soler, because it's much easier to find a corner OF than a guy who could hit 40 homers playing middle infield.
Again, if we're choosing who we want to fail, or whatever is happening here.
I don't want any of them to fail, and I don't think Baez will. I just think the one guy who is playing one of the two positions currently filled with more than a tub of man-goo at tbe big-league level is the least cataclysmic.
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2014, 01:03:26 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 16, 2014, 12:38:57 PM
Just for my own peace of mind so I can blame Hendry. Obviously, any prospect flaming out is grounds for a lengthy couch-fainting. I might be able to shake it off faster if the guys doing the drafting now are pouring bonerific draft picks into my prospect Tervis.
The guys doing the drafting now took Cory Spangenberg immediately after Baez (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Major_League_Baseball_Draft), so that's almost certainly who the Cubs would have now instead of Baez if this group had been in charge back then.
At least if Baez flames out it would help Theo avoid another Dan Duquette narrative whenever the Cubs get good. Maybe that's what he wants.
So, we should be happy because Spangenberg is kinda crappy (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=spange000cor), right?
Quote from: PenFoe on May 16, 2014, 01:55:23 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2014, 01:03:26 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 16, 2014, 12:38:57 PM
Just for my own peace of mind so I can blame Hendry. Obviously, any prospect flaming out is grounds for a lengthy couch-fainting. I might be able to shake it off faster if the guys doing the drafting now are pouring bonerific draft picks into my prospect Tervis.
The guys doing the drafting now took Cory Spangenberg immediately after Baez (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Major_League_Baseball_Draft), so that's almost certainly who the Cubs would have now instead of Baez if this group had been in charge back then.
At least if Baez flames out it would help Theo avoid another Dan Duquette narrative whenever the Cubs get good. Maybe that's what he wants.
So, we should be happy because Spangenberg is kinda crappy (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=spange000cor), right?
I think Eli's point is that the new scouting staff isn't perfect either. I can't find it now but I remember seeing McLeod state that he wasn't a fan of Baez before that draft and wouldn't have drafted him had he had the chance.
Quote from: R-V on May 16, 2014, 02:06:35 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 16, 2014, 01:55:23 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2014, 01:03:26 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 16, 2014, 12:38:57 PM
Just for my own peace of mind so I can blame Hendry. Obviously, any prospect flaming out is grounds for a lengthy couch-fainting. I might be able to shake it off faster if the guys doing the drafting now are pouring bonerific draft picks into my prospect Tervis.
The guys doing the drafting now took Cory Spangenberg immediately after Baez (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Major_League_Baseball_Draft), so that's almost certainly who the Cubs would have now instead of Baez if this group had been in charge back then.
At least if Baez flames out it would help Theo avoid another Dan Duquette narrative whenever the Cubs get good. Maybe that's what he wants.
So, we should be happy because Spangenberg is kinda crappy (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=spange000cor), right?
I think Eli's point is that the new scouting staff isn't perfect either. I can't find it now but I remember seeing McLeod state that he wasn't a fan of Baez before that draft and wouldn't have drafted him had he had the chance.
Basically. Just that no one is infallible. And also that it's been almost four years since Hendry was fired and at some point, it'll be time to stop blaming him for the current state of the Cubs. Maybe we're not there yet, but it seems like it should be close.
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Intrepid Reader: Eli
I assume the Golden Sombrero in the corner is because he ended up 1-5 with 4Ks beside this homer?
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Cubs prospect 3B Kris Bryant was at it again on Tuesday, going 2-for-5 with a home run and four RBI for Double-A Tennessee.
The 22-year-old slugger has five home runs and 18 RBI in his last 10 games, and he's now batting a robust .324/.425/.620 with nine doubles, 11 homers and 33 RBI through 38 games on the season. He also has 35 runs and five steals thus far, to go along with a 46/20 strikeout-to-walk ratio in 167 plate appearances. Bryant continues to check all the developmental boxes at Tennessee and shows no signs of slowing down until he reaches the major leagues, which looks like it will occur at some point later this season.
Cubs prospect OF Albert Almora enjoyed his best game of the season on Tuesday, going 3-for-5 with three doubles and four RBI for High-A Daytona.
The 20-year-old had been struggling heading into the game, with a dismal .386 OPS and one extra-base hit in his 10 previous contests, so his three-double, four-RBI performance on Tuesday was definitely a step in the right direction. Through 31 games at Daytona this season, Almora is batting .250/.280/.355 with 10 doubles, one home run, 16 RBI and a 15/4 strikeout-to-walk ratio.
For the 7th time in 6 games Jorge Soler doubled.
Draft related stuff, two college arms in Hoffman and Fedde will undergo Tommy John surgery. That moves...you guessed it...Aaron Nola up in the prospect list for the Cubs at 4 along with high school position players Alex Jackson (C/OF) and Nick Gordon (IF). Nola is the safest pitching bet given that Rodon, Kolek and Aiken could go in the first three picks.
I took a trip to Knoxville to watch Bryant play two weeks ago and I was beyond impressed. His hands are about as fast as I've ever seen through the strike zone. And he is one big motherfucker. He's 6-5 and listed at 215 but looks closer to 230.
How did he look at third?
It was just one game, but he definitely has a good arm. He didn't look like the next Brooks Robinson but he doesn't look like he'll be a liability.
He hit a long homer at the game I was at but the most impressive at-bat was a line drive out to right. He can absolutely smoke the ball to the opposite field.
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2014, 10:37:23 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 16, 2014, 10:06:07 AM
3. Even worst case scenario, that he's overmatched and he's never going to figure this out, the beauty of this whole thing is that, for the first time the entire hopes don't seem to be riding on one guy (See Patterson, Pie) and they can afford for some of these guys to not pan out (as they no doubt will.)
I feel like this is where we disagree. No, they haven't pinned their hopes on one guy (I don't think the previous regime did either). I just don't think their margin for error is as high as you do. There are some guys in the minors who may turn into nice, cost-effective players early in their career. But they really only have 3-4 guys with truly elite potential.
3-4 guys in the minors. Add in Rizzo and Castro and you're talking about 5-6 potential elite players. 3 of whom play in the middle infield
And, yeah, if given a choice of one of those three MI prospects to flame out, Baez would probably be the last on the list. But that positional depth
does go some way towards calming me down in the face of his current scuffling.
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2014, 10:37:23 AM
And given how barren the current major-league roster is, they pretty much need them all to pan out on some level. Having just 1-2 of those guys pan out isn't going to be enough if they stick to this all-homegrown approach for a few more years.
If they stick to the homegrown approach. The extent to which they do so, though, probably depends largely on how well the kids pan out.
I don't think anyone doubts that there will be holes to be filled down the line (some likely filled by some of those cost-effective low-ceiling/high-floor non-elite types). But that's a cross-that-bridge-when-we-get-there situation, no?
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 16, 2014, 05:36:40 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2014, 10:37:23 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 16, 2014, 10:06:07 AM
3. Even worst case scenario, that he's overmatched and he's never going to figure this out, the beauty of this whole thing is that, for the first time the entire hopes don't seem to be riding on one guy (See Patterson, Pie) and they can afford for some of these guys to not pan out (as they no doubt will.)
I feel like this is where we disagree. No, they haven't pinned their hopes on one guy (I don't think the previous regime did either). I just don't think their margin for error is as high as you do. There are some guys in the minors who may turn into nice, cost-effective players early in their career. But they really only have 3-4 guys with truly elite potential.
3-4 guys in the minors. Add in Rizzo and Castro and you're talking about 5-6 potential elite players. 3 of whom play in the middle infield
And, yeah, if given a choice of one of those three MI prospects to flame out, Baez would probably be the last on the list. But that positional depth does go some way towards calming me down in the face of his current scuffling.
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2014, 10:37:23 AM
And given how barren the current major-league roster is, they pretty much need them all to pan out on some level. Having just 1-2 of those guys pan out isn't going to be enough if they stick to this all-homegrown approach for a few more years.
If they stick to the homegrown approach. The extent to which they do so, though, probably depends largely on how well the kids pan out.
I don't think anyone doubts that there will be holes to be filled down the line (some likely filled by some of those cost-effective low-ceiling/high-floor non-elite types). But that's a cross-that-bridge-when-we-get-there situation, no?
But we want a contender
now
Quote from: PANK! on May 17, 2014, 07:23:21 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 16, 2014, 05:36:40 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2014, 10:37:23 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 16, 2014, 10:06:07 AM
3. Even worst case scenario, that he's overmatched and he's never going to figure this out, the beauty of this whole thing is that, for the first time the entire hopes don't seem to be riding on one guy (See Patterson, Pie) and they can afford for some of these guys to not pan out (as they no doubt will.)
I feel like this is where we disagree. No, they haven't pinned their hopes on one guy (I don't think the previous regime did either). I just don't think their margin for error is as high as you do. There are some guys in the minors who may turn into nice, cost-effective players early in their career. But they really only have 3-4 guys with truly elite potential.
3-4 guys in the minors. Add in Rizzo and Castro and you're talking about 5-6 potential elite players. 3 of whom play in the middle infield
And, yeah, if given a choice of one of those three MI prospects to flame out, Baez would probably be the last on the list. But that positional depth does go some way towards calming me down in the face of his current scuffling.
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2014, 10:37:23 AM
And given how barren the current major-league roster is, they pretty much need them all to pan out on some level. Having just 1-2 of those guys pan out isn't going to be enough if they stick to this all-homegrown approach for a few more years.
If they stick to the homegrown approach. The extent to which they do so, though, probably depends largely on how well the kids pan out.
I don't think anyone doubts that there will be holes to be filled down the line (some likely filled by some of those cost-effective low-ceiling/high-floor non-elite types). But that's a cross-that-bridge-when-we-get-there situation, no?
But we want a contender now
Or maybe just within roughly half a decade of them taking control?
Quote from: Eli on May 18, 2014, 01:43:29 PM
Quote from: PANK! on May 17, 2014, 07:23:21 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 16, 2014, 05:36:40 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2014, 10:37:23 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 16, 2014, 10:06:07 AM
3. Even worst case scenario, that he's overmatched and he's never going to figure this out, the beauty of this whole thing is that, for the first time the entire hopes don't seem to be riding on one guy (See Patterson, Pie) and they can afford for some of these guys to not pan out (as they no doubt will.)
I feel like this is where we disagree. No, they haven't pinned their hopes on one guy (I don't think the previous regime did either). I just don't think their margin for error is as high as you do. There are some guys in the minors who may turn into nice, cost-effective players early in their career. But they really only have 3-4 guys with truly elite potential.
3-4 guys in the minors. Add in Rizzo and Castro and you're talking about 5-6 potential elite players. 3 of whom play in the middle infield
And, yeah, if given a choice of one of those three MI prospects to flame out, Baez would probably be the last on the list. But that positional depth does go some way towards calming me down in the face of his current scuffling.
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2014, 10:37:23 AM
And given how barren the current major-league roster is, they pretty much need them all to pan out on some level. Having just 1-2 of those guys pan out isn't going to be enough if they stick to this all-homegrown approach for a few more years.
If they stick to the homegrown approach. The extent to which they do so, though, probably depends largely on how well the kids pan out.
I don't think anyone doubts that there will be holes to be filled down the line (some likely filled by some of those cost-effective low-ceiling/high-floor non-elite types). But that's a cross-that-bridge-when-we-get-there situation, no?
But we want a contender now
Or maybe just within roughly half a decade of them taking control?
Just like the saying goes: "Rome wasn't built in a day, but in roughly half a decade it was a contender."
All it took was a little angst in this corner to get Baez hitting.
Quote from: Eli on May 18, 2014, 01:43:29 PM
Quote from: PANK! on May 17, 2014, 07:23:21 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 16, 2014, 05:36:40 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2014, 10:37:23 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 16, 2014, 10:06:07 AM
3. Even worst case scenario, that he's overmatched and he's never going to figure this out, the beauty of this whole thing is that, for the first time the entire hopes don't seem to be riding on one guy (See Patterson, Pie) and they can afford for some of these guys to not pan out (as they no doubt will.)
I feel like this is where we disagree. No, they haven't pinned their hopes on one guy (I don't think the previous regime did either). I just don't think their margin for error is as high as you do. There are some guys in the minors who may turn into nice, cost-effective players early in their career. But they really only have 3-4 guys with truly elite potential.
3-4 guys in the minors. Add in Rizzo and Castro and you're talking about 5-6 potential elite players. 3 of whom play in the middle infield
And, yeah, if given a choice of one of those three MI prospects to flame out, Baez would probably be the last on the list. But that positional depth does go some way towards calming me down in the face of his current scuffling.
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2014, 10:37:23 AM
And given how barren the current major-league roster is, they pretty much need them all to pan out on some level. Having just 1-2 of those guys pan out isn't going to be enough if they stick to this all-homegrown approach for a few more years.
If they stick to the homegrown approach. The extent to which they do so, though, probably depends largely on how well the kids pan out.
I don't think anyone doubts that there will be holes to be filled down the line (some likely filled by some of those cost-effective low-ceiling/high-floor non-elite types). But that's a cross-that-bridge-when-we-get-there situation, no?
But we want a contender now
Or maybe just within roughly half a decade of them taking control?
We agree then....but so you're fairly confident they won't be contending in 2 years--this being 7 weeks into Year 3? I'm not certain they'll be a contender but I also haven't seen anything in their progression up to date that would scream "no" either.
Quote from: PANK! on May 19, 2014, 09:17:07 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 18, 2014, 01:43:29 PM
Quote from: PANK! on May 17, 2014, 07:23:21 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 16, 2014, 05:36:40 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2014, 10:37:23 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 16, 2014, 10:06:07 AM
3. Even worst case scenario, that he's overmatched and he's never going to figure this out, the beauty of this whole thing is that, for the first time the entire hopes don't seem to be riding on one guy (See Patterson, Pie) and they can afford for some of these guys to not pan out (as they no doubt will.)
I feel like this is where we disagree. No, they haven't pinned their hopes on one guy (I don't think the previous regime did either). I just don't think their margin for error is as high as you do. There are some guys in the minors who may turn into nice, cost-effective players early in their career. But they really only have 3-4 guys with truly elite potential.
3-4 guys in the minors. Add in Rizzo and Castro and you're talking about 5-6 potential elite players. 3 of whom play in the middle infield
And, yeah, if given a choice of one of those three MI prospects to flame out, Baez would probably be the last on the list. But that positional depth does go some way towards calming me down in the face of his current scuffling.
Quote from: Eli on May 16, 2014, 10:37:23 AM
And given how barren the current major-league roster is, they pretty much need them all to pan out on some level. Having just 1-2 of those guys pan out isn't going to be enough if they stick to this all-homegrown approach for a few more years.
If they stick to the homegrown approach. The extent to which they do so, though, probably depends largely on how well the kids pan out.
I don't think anyone doubts that there will be holes to be filled down the line (some likely filled by some of those cost-effective low-ceiling/high-floor non-elite types). But that's a cross-that-bridge-when-we-get-there situation, no?
But we want a contender now
Or maybe just within roughly half a decade of them taking control?
FWe agree then....but so you're fairly confident they won't be contending in 2 years--this being 7 weeks into Year 3? I'm not certain they'll be a contender but I also haven't seen anything in their progression up to date that would scream "no" either.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
Quote from: Fork on May 19, 2014, 08:52:59 AMAll it took was a little angst in this corner to get Baez hitting.
Or he has night blindness (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=23608) and will walk off a pier and drown at some point.
QuoteJavier Baez, SS, Cubs (Triple-A Iowa)
After a dominating run across two levels in 2013, Baez was a darling of the offseason prospect hype machine, and when he arrived in camp this spring and continued the onslaught I agreed to name all offspring I might create in the future after him. But 2014 hasn't gone as planned for the 21-year-old, and we are nearing the point in the season where the sample size is significant enough to validate the concerns about his offensive struggles. As previously documented, Baez is an extremely reactionary, see-ball/hit-ball hitter, the type who looks to attack and drive fastballs out of the park and struggles to make adjustments to off-speed offerings. These approach tendencies have been magnified this year by a larger dose of quality secondary stuff, and when Baez takes the bait and loses the count, his OPS is 500 points lower than it is when he can work himself into more friendly fastball situations.
Another twist in this developmental tale is Baez's extreme day/night splits, as the high-ceiling slugger has a sub-.200 slugging percentage under the artificial lights, with a batting average that has now dropped below the .100 mark. If vision is the culprit, and Baez is struggling to locate and diagnose the ball early out of the pitcher's hand, this could present a terminal developmental outcome when paired with existing approach concerns. It's still early in the season, and the realities of the vision issues are still more speculative than anything else, but we are nearing the point where concerns can solidify and realistic outcomes can start to be questioned. I'm still blinded by his bat speed and therefore optimistic that his future will be abnormal and franchise altering. But the neurological aspects of his struggles are trying to pull me off the Baez bus with each passing day. –Jason Parks
Quote from: PANK! on May 19, 2014, 09:17:07 AM
We agree then....but so you're fairly confident they won't be contending in 2 years--this being 7 weeks into Year 3? I'm not certain they'll be a contender but I also haven't seen anything in their progression up to date that would scream "no" either.
I guess it's a little tough to judge since "contention" is vague. Do we mean a team hovering around .500 that quasi-hangs in the race through August? Or are we talking a top-5, 95-win sort of team?
It probably wouldn't be too hard to reach the first one even next year with a few good moves this winter and simply some better luck, as run differential may hint. But the second seems more distant to me. I don't think it's impossible, but they'd have to drastically shift how they're approaching trades and free agency. Maybe they will and I'm just lacking in imagination of how they'll accomplish it.
Just curious, since we're talking dates, at what point would other people around here start to get a little restless (if you're not already)? It's pretty easy to keep kicking the can down the road and say "give it just another year or two." It's already happened once, since 2014 was probably the most frequently cited timeline when Theo/Jed were hired.
Quote from: Eli on May 19, 2014, 10:27:03 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 19, 2014, 09:17:07 AM
We agree then....but so you're fairly confident they won't be contending in 2 years--this being 7 weeks into Year 3? I'm not certain they'll be a contender but I also haven't seen anything in their progression up to date that would scream "no" either.
I guess it's a little tough to judge since "contention" is vague. Do we mean a team hovering around .500 that quasi-hangs in the race through August? Or are we talking a top-5, 95-win sort of team?
It probably wouldn't be too hard to reach the first one even next year with a few good moves this winter and simply some better luck, as run differential may hint. But the second seems more distant to me. I don't think it's impossible, but they'd have to drastically shift how they're approaching trades and free agency. Maybe they will and I'm just lacking in imagination of how they'll accomplish it.
Just curious, since we're talking dates, at what point would other people around here start to get a little restless (if you're not already)? It's pretty easy to keep kicking the can down the road and say "give it just another year or two." It's already happened once, since 2014 was probably the most frequently cited timeline when Theo/Jed were hired.
I think if they are top 5 worst record in baseball at this time NEXT year and we've got 1 or 2 of the big four up and let's say no significant roster acquisitions in the offseason I'm panicking.
If they're hovering around 3 or fewer games out of first or a wild card in May next year looking like they can make a push, I'm feeling very good.
The hard thing to remember is that this organization, as any good organization, values process over results. You can get lucky and win a fair amount of games. The idea is to win a bunch of games because you're good enough.
Sustainability not a year where everything comes together.
It sucks but it's the right thing to do.
Quote from: Slaky on May 19, 2014, 10:32:51 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 19, 2014, 10:27:03 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 19, 2014, 09:17:07 AM
We agree then....but so you're fairly confident they won't be contending in 2 years--this being 7 weeks into Year 3? I'm not certain they'll be a contender but I also haven't seen anything in their progression up to date that would scream "no" either.
I guess it's a little tough to judge since "contention" is vague. Do we mean a team hovering around .500 that quasi-hangs in the race through August? Or are we talking a top-5, 95-win sort of team?
It probably wouldn't be too hard to reach the first one even next year with a few good moves this winter and simply some better luck, as run differential may hint. But the second seems more distant to me. I don't think it's impossible, but they'd have to drastically shift how they're approaching trades and free agency. Maybe they will and I'm just lacking in imagination of how they'll accomplish it.
Just curious, since we're talking dates, at what point would other people around here start to get a little restless (if you're not already)? It's pretty easy to keep kicking the can down the road and say "give it just another year or two." It's already happened once, since 2014 was probably the most frequently cited timeline when Theo/Jed were hired.
I think if they are top 5 worst record in baseball at this time NEXT year and we've got 1 or 2 of the big four up and let's say no significant roster acquisitions in the offseason I'm panicking.
If they're hovering around 3 or fewer games out of first or a wild card in May next year looking like they can make a push, I'm feeling very good.
The hard thing to remember is that this organization, as any good organization, values process over results. You can get lucky and win a fair amount of games. The idea is to win a bunch of games because you're good enough.
Sustainability not a year where everything comes together.
It sucks but it's the right thing to do.
This. I expect a winning record next year. If it doesn't happen I'll be sad.
Quote from: Eli on May 19, 2014, 10:27:03 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 19, 2014, 09:17:07 AM
We agree then....but so you're fairly confident they won't be contending in 2 years--this being 7 weeks into Year 3? I'm not certain they'll be a contender but I also haven't seen anything in their progression up to date that would scream "no" either.
I guess it's a little tough to judge since "contention" is vague. Do we mean a team hovering around .500 that quasi-hangs in the race through August? Or are we talking a top-5, 95-win sort of team?
It probably wouldn't be too hard to reach the first one even next year with a few good moves this winter and simply some better luck, as run differential may hint. But the second seems more distant to me. I don't think it's impossible, but they'd have to drastically shift how they're approaching trades and free agency. Maybe they will and I'm just lacking in imagination of how they'll accomplish it.
Just curious, since we're talking dates, at what point would other people around here start to get a little restless (if you're not already)? It's pretty easy to keep kicking the can down the road and say "give it just another year or two." It's already happened once, since 2014 was probably the most frequently cited timeline when Theo/Jed were hired.
I'll be honest, the bad baseball at the major league is starting to wear on me; I keep repeating my mantra that they're on the right path but it's not always easy to maintain that faith so it's not like I don't understand where you're coming from. Still, I don't see myself jumping ship--even if they lose 100 games-- at any point this season but yeah--if Baez doesn't get untracked all season I may start to sour (but I still think Baez'll be just fine).
Quote from: R-V on May 19, 2014, 11:00:06 AM
This. I expect a winning record next year. If it doesn't happen I'll be sad.
This seems reasonable.
Quote from: PANK! on May 19, 2014, 11:01:31 AM
I'll be honest, the bad baseball at the major league is starting to wear on me; I keep repeating my mantra that they're on the right path but it's not always easy to maintain that faith so it's not like I don't understand where you're coming from. Still, I don't see myself jumping ship--even if they lose 100 games-- at any point this season but yeah--if Baez doesn't get untracked all season I may start to sour (but I still think Baez'll be just fine).
So does this.
I think the run differential this year gives me hope things aren't quite as bad as they appear. They're still almost certainly one of the 5 worst teams in baseball, but probably not the worst. If they can be above/around .500 next year and then actually compete* in 2016, I'll gladly admit I was wrong about their timeline. I'll probably remain skeptical that it HAD to take so long, but I'll try to keep that grumbling to myself.
* Not exactly sure what to define that as since luck can cause such variance either way, as Slaky said. But I'll arbitrarily say 90 wins, since that usually is good enough for top 10 in baseball.
.500 in 2015 and 90 wins in 2016 feel pretty unrealistic to me (though I hope I'm wrong.)
I'm expecting more along the lines of:
2014: 65-97
2015: 72-90
2016: 81-81
2017+: Playoffs/legit contender
Quote from: PenFoe on May 19, 2014, 12:47:49 PM
.500 in 2015 and 90 wins in 2016 feel pretty unrealistic to me (though I hope I'm wrong.)
I'm expecting more along the lines of:
2014: 65-97
2015: 72-90
2016: 81-81
2017+: Playoffs/legit contender
Yours is a much more pessimistic view, I think.
It might come to pass that way and if so, I think a lot of people are going to be furious.
If the run differential hovers around where it is or even somehow improves I think the large win total jump that rarely happens year to year becomes a possibility for 2015. I don't ever want to place my hopes in the hands of luck but the idea is that in 2015 you have a team that can play .500 ball and if they just can even out in the luck dept. suddenly you're a wild card contender.
Quote from: Slaky on May 19, 2014, 01:07:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 19, 2014, 12:47:49 PM
.500 in 2015 and 90 wins in 2016 feel pretty unrealistic to me (though I hope I'm wrong.)
I'm expecting more along the lines of:
2014: 65-97
2015: 72-90
2016: 81-81
2017+: Playoffs/legit contender
Yours is a much more pessimistic view, I think.
It might come to pass that way and if so, I think a lot of people are going to be furious.
I think people would be furious and rightfully so. That means Theo would actually need a contract extension to see that first contending team. If people had been told back in 2011 it'd take him 6 offseasons to put together a winning team, I don't know if anyone would have wanted him hired. Obviously the ownership situation will have played into things some, but casting blame aside, that'd be a pretty disappointing outcome.
But again, I think Pen's view is definitely a more pessimistic one.
Quote from: Slaky on May 19, 2014, 01:07:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 19, 2014, 12:47:49 PM
.500 in 2015 and 90 wins in 2016 feel pretty unrealistic to me (though I hope I'm wrong.)
I'm expecting more along the lines of:
2014: 65-97
2015: 72-90
2016: 81-81
2017+: Playoffs/legit contender
Yours is a much more pessimistic view, I think.
It might come to pass that way and if so, I think a lot of people are going to be furious.
If the run differential hovers around where it is or even somehow improves I think the large win total jump that rarely happens year to year becomes a possibility for 2015. I don't ever want to place my hopes in the hands of luck but the idea is that in 2015 you have a team that can play .500 ball and if they just can even out in the luck dept. suddenly you're a wild card contender.
I don't understand the point of using run differential as a signal of
future success when we're basically all agreed that most of these guys we're seeing aren't part of the long-term plans. I get using it to gauge how they should be performing right now, but to use it to forecast a large win jump YOY for a team with likely a bunch of different guys?
Quote from: PenFoe on May 19, 2014, 01:46:23 PM
Quote from: Slaky on May 19, 2014, 01:07:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 19, 2014, 12:47:49 PM
.500 in 2015 and 90 wins in 2016 feel pretty unrealistic to me (though I hope I'm wrong.)
I'm expecting more along the lines of:
2014: 65-97
2015: 72-90
2016: 81-81
2017+: Playoffs/legit contender
Yours is a much more pessimistic view, I think.
It might come to pass that way and if so, I think a lot of people are going to be furious.
If the run differential hovers around where it is or even somehow improves I think the large win total jump that rarely happens year to year becomes a possibility for 2015. I don't ever want to place my hopes in the hands of luck but the idea is that in 2015 you have a team that can play .500 ball and if they just can even out in the luck dept. suddenly you're a wild card contender.
I don't understand the point of using run differential as a signal of future success when we're basically all agreed that most of these guys we're seeing aren't part of the long-term plans. I get using it to gauge how they should be performing right now, but to use it to forecast a large win jump YOY for a team with likely a bunch of different guys?
This is a fair point on the pitching side. As a whole the Cubs pitching staff has 5.1 WAR, and Snork and Hammel, who could be gone soon, account for almost half of that total.
On the hitting side, Castro, Rizzo, Lake & Castillo account for 3.7 WAR. The Cubs AS A TEAM have 2.6 WAR. Which on the one hand tells you they've got some shitty, shitty players this year (their outfield is bad and full of negative WAR players), but on the other hand tells you that the guys who are actually making positive contributions to the run differential are going to be around for a while.
Quote from: R-V on May 19, 2014, 02:13:43 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 19, 2014, 01:46:23 PM
Quote from: Slaky on May 19, 2014, 01:07:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 19, 2014, 12:47:49 PM
.500 in 2015 and 90 wins in 2016 feel pretty unrealistic to me (though I hope I'm wrong.)
I'm expecting more along the lines of:
2014: 65-97
2015: 72-90
2016: 81-81
2017+: Playoffs/legit contender
Yours is a much more pessimistic view, I think.
It might come to pass that way and if so, I think a lot of people are going to be furious.
If the run differential hovers around where it is or even somehow improves I think the large win total jump that rarely happens year to year becomes a possibility for 2015. I don't ever want to place my hopes in the hands of luck but the idea is that in 2015 you have a team that can play .500 ball and if they just can even out in the luck dept. suddenly you're a wild card contender.
I don't understand the point of using run differential as a signal of future success when we're basically all agreed that most of these guys we're seeing aren't part of the long-term plans. I get using it to gauge how they should be performing right now, but to use it to forecast a large win jump YOY for a team with likely a bunch of different guys?
This is a fair point on the pitching side. As a whole the Cubs pitching staff has 5.1 WAR, and Snork and Hammel, who could be gone soon, account for almost half of that total.
On the hitting side, Castro, Rizzo, Lake & Castillo account for 3.7 WAR. The Cubs AS A TEAM have 2.6 WAR. Which on the one hand tells you they've got some shitty, shitty players this year (their outfield is bad and full of negative WAR players), but on the other hand tells you that the guys who are actually making positive contributions to the run differential are going to be around for a while.
RV pretty much goes off what I'm thinking. The pitching obviously has to stabilize and I guess when you talk of trading two of your best that hurts. But the offensive players carrying the weight are long term guys who project to be part of a winning roster. Eventually the ones dragging it down would be replaced by much better players.
That's all I'm saying.
Quote from: R-V on May 19, 2014, 02:13:43 PM
Which on the one hand tells you they've got some shitty, shitty players this year (their outfield is bad and full of negative WAR players), but on the other hand tells you that the guys who are actually making positive contributions to the run differential are going to be around for a while.
This is why I don't think their path to contention has to be that much longer. They need more higher-level players, sure, but simply lopping off the AAA/AAAA garbage they have on the bottom of the roster and replacing it with average players would help significantly. There are plenty of guys available every offseason who could be nice upgrades, only because what they'd replace is so terrible.
Quote from: R-V on May 19, 2014, 02:13:43 PM
Which on the one hand tells you they've got some shitty, shitty awful, awful players this year (their outfield is bad and full of negative WAR players), but on the other hand tells you that the guys who are actually making positive contributions to the run differential are going to be around for a while.
Quote from: Eli on May 19, 2014, 02:23:49 PM
Quote from: R-V on May 19, 2014, 02:13:43 PM
Which on the one hand tells you they've got some shitty, shitty players this year (their outfield is bad and full of negative WAR players), but on the other hand tells you that the guys who are actually making positive contributions to the run differential are going to be around for a while.
This is why I don't think their path to contention has to be that much longer. They need more higher-level players, sure, but simply lopping off the AAA/AAAA garbage they have on the bottom of the roster and replacing it with average players would help significantly. There are plenty of guys available every offseason who could be nice upgrades, only because what they'd replace is so terrible.
So if they finally go out and sign some of these 1 WAR turds. How does that improve your life?
Quote from: Eli on May 19, 2014, 02:23:49 PM
Quote from: R-V on May 19, 2014, 02:13:43 PM
Which on the one hand tells you they've got some shitty, shitty players this year (their outfield is bad and full of negative WAR players), but on the other hand tells you that the guys who are actually making positive contributions to the run differential are going to be around for a while.
This is why I don't think their path to contention has to be that much longer. They need more higher-level players, sure, but simply lopping off the AAA/AAAA garbage they have on the bottom of the roster and replacing it with average players would help significantly. There are plenty of guys available every offseason who could be nice upgrades, only because what they'd replace is so terrible.
Okay, let's remove trades from the equation since they're harder to predict.
2015 Roster:
C: Castillo
1B: Rizzo
2B: Baez
SS: Castro
3B: Bryant*
LF: Lake or best FA Available (Melky Cabrera)
CF: Bonifacio, resigned to FA deal
RF: Best FA Available (Nelson Cruz)
*(assumes Olt isn't ready for primetime at 3B and Bryant isn't moving to corner OF, both of which could turn out differently)
Rotation:
Samardzija - resigned
Wood
E-Jax
Hendricks
Some guy
That's basically best-case scenario, outside of signing a big FA pitcher (basically Lester/Masterson/Scherzer/Gallardo, assuming Cueto gets his option picked up)
72-90 would definitely be disappointing for that team, but signing two legit corner OFs and Baez and Bryant both being ready is pretty wildly optimistic as well.
You might be able to talk me into .500, but outside of trading Samardzija for multiple guys who are ready now (which seems totally unlikely) I don't see how they compete in 2015.
I'm not talking about being happy or mad about it, I just don't see how it happens.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 19, 2014, 04:52:26 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 19, 2014, 02:23:49 PM
Quote from: R-V on May 19, 2014, 02:13:43 PM
Which on the one hand tells you they've got some shitty, shitty players this year (their outfield is bad and full of negative WAR players), but on the other hand tells you that the guys who are actually making positive contributions to the run differential are going to be around for a while.
This is why I don't think their path to contention has to be that much longer. They need more higher-level players, sure, but simply lopping off the AAA/AAAA garbage they have on the bottom of the roster and replacing it with average players would help significantly. There are plenty of guys available every offseason who could be nice upgrades, only because what they'd replace is so terrible.
Okay, let's remove trades from the equation since they're harder to predict.
2015 Roster:
C: Castillo
1B: Rizzo
2B: Baez
SS: Castro
3B: Bryant*
LF: Lake or best FA Available (Melky Cabrera)
CF: Bonifacio, resigned to FA deal
RF: Best FA Available (Nelson Cruz)
*(assumes Olt isn't ready for primetime at 3B and Bryant isn't moving to corner OF, both of which could turn out differently)
Rotation:
Samardzija - resigned
Wood
E-Jax
Hendricks
Some guy
That's basically best-case scenario, outside of signing a big FA pitcher (basically Lester/Masterson/Scherzer/Gallardo, assuming Cueto gets his option picked up)
72-90 would definitely be disappointing for that team, but signing two legit corner OFs and Baez and Bryant both being ready is pretty wildly optimistic as well.
You might be able to talk me into .500, but outside of trading Samardzija for multiple guys who are ready now (which seems totally unlikely) I don't see how they compete in 2015.
I'm not talking about being happy or mad about it, I just don't see how it happens.
Shark is under team control for one more season
"he's on the team for next year!" (http://wayne.cbslocal.com/soundboard-bb/sounds/Drops-On-Team-Next-Year.mp3), so I assume you mean re-signed to a one-year deal to avoid arbitration? I mostly agree with this, I think .500 would be a pleasant surprise for 2015 and I wouldn't expect more. I'm also crazy enough to think Bryant can stick at third and Olt should invest in an outfielder's glove, so YMMV.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 19, 2014, 04:35:27 PM
So if they finally go out and sign some of these 1 WAR turds. How does that improve your life?
I assume it would make my favorite baseball team win more games, which might be fun.
Quote from: Eli on May 19, 2014, 05:00:57 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 19, 2014, 04:35:27 PM
So if they finally go out and sign some of these 1 WAR turds. How does that improve your life?
I assume it would make my favorite baseball team win more games, which might be fun.
Like seven more games.
As for Pen's plan, that's entirely possible. But I'd be surprised if they didn't sign a Masterson/Lester type, and maybe even another mid-range type of starter. They were supposedly going to roll over the Tanaka money to next season and outside of arbitration, they have very little money committed (~$25 million for Jackson, Castro, Rizzo). Even factoring in arbitration raises for Shark and Wood, there should be a lot of payroll available.
Again, maybe I'm being overly optimistic in what moves they will make this offseason, but none of that sounds too crazy to me.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 19, 2014, 05:04:42 PM
Like seven more games.
Well, if their expected record is a little below .500, 7 games would be pretty significant.
Quote from: Eli on May 19, 2014, 05:07:05 PM
As for Pen's plan, that's entirely possible. But I'd be surprised if they didn't sign a Masterson/Lester type, and maybe even another mid-range type of starter. They were supposedly going to roll over the Tanaka money to next season and outside of arbitration, they have very little money committed (~$25 million for Jackson, Castro, Rizzo). Even factoring in arbitration raises for Shark and Wood, there should be a lot of payroll available.
Again, maybe I'm being overly optimistic in what moves they will make this offseason, but none of that sounds too crazy to me.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 19, 2014, 05:04:42 PM
Like seven more games.
Well, if their expected record is a little below .500, 7 games would be pretty significant.
THI
(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/JMcHIgOM-Ag/hqdefault.jpg)
Damn.
Quote@CarrieMuskat #Cubs prospect Soler sidelined w/right hamstring strain. Checked by Chicago docs. Will go to AZ to rehab, then back to @smokiesbaseball
Quote from: Eli on May 21, 2014, 12:39:33 PM
Damn.
Quote@CarrieMuskat #Cubs prospect Soler sidelined w/right hamstring strain. Checked by Chicago docs. Will go to AZ to rehab, then back to @smokiesbaseball
Is it time to change his name to RonDL White?
Quote from: Yeti on May 21, 2014, 12:53:32 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 21, 2014, 12:39:33 PM
Damn.
Quote@CarrieMuskat #Cubs prospect Soler sidelined w/right hamstring strain. Checked by Chicago docs. Will go to AZ to rehab, then back to @smokiesbaseball
Is it time to change his name to RonDL White?
Jorge SDLer?
Quote from: InternetApex on May 21, 2014, 12:58:16 PM
Quote from: Yeti on May 21, 2014, 12:53:32 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 21, 2014, 12:39:33 PM
Damn.
Quote@CarrieMuskat #Cubs prospect Soler sidelined w/right hamstring strain. Checked by Chicago docs. Will go to AZ to rehab, then back to @smokiesbaseball
Is it time to change his name to RonDL White?
Jorge SDLer?
I suppose it's good news, but it's his other hamstring this time, not the one that was hurt.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 21, 2014, 12:58:16 PM
Quote from: Yeti on May 21, 2014, 12:53:32 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 21, 2014, 12:39:33 PM
Damn.
Quote@CarrieMuskat #Cubs prospect Soler sidelined w/right hamstring strain. Checked by Chicago docs. Will go to AZ to rehab, then back to @smokiesbaseball
Is it time to change his name to RonDL White?
Jorge SDLer?
Jorge Soreleg
Quote from: Brownie on May 22, 2014, 12:34:12 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 21, 2014, 12:58:16 PM
Quote from: Yeti on May 21, 2014, 12:53:32 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 21, 2014, 12:39:33 PM
Damn.
Quote@CarrieMuskat #Cubs prospect Soler sidelined w/right hamstring strain. Checked by Chicago docs. Will go to AZ to rehab, then back to @smokiesbaseball
Is it time to change his name to RonDL White?
Jorge SDLer?
Jorge Soreleg
Ha ha! Winner.
Quote from: Tonker on May 22, 2014, 01:17:23 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 22, 2014, 12:34:12 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 21, 2014, 12:58:16 PM
Quote from: Yeti on May 21, 2014, 12:53:32 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 21, 2014, 12:39:33 PM
Damn.
Quote@CarrieMuskat #Cubs prospect Soler sidelined w/right hamstring strain. Checked by Chicago docs. Will go to AZ to rehab, then back to @smokiesbaseball
Is it time to change his name to RonDL White?
Jorge SDLer?
Jorge Soreleg
Ha ha! Winner.
Seconded.
Quote from: PANK! on May 22, 2014, 02:15:26 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 22, 2014, 01:17:23 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 22, 2014, 12:34:12 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 21, 2014, 12:58:16 PM
Quote from: Yeti on May 21, 2014, 12:53:32 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 21, 2014, 12:39:33 PM
Damn.
Quote@CarrieMuskat #Cubs prospect Soler sidelined w/right hamstring strain. Checked by Chicago docs. Will go to AZ to rehab, then back to @smokiesbaseball
Is it time to change his name to RonDL White?
Jorge SDLer?
Jorge Soreleg
Ha ha! Winner.
Seconded.
I think Tonk was joking.
Quote from: BH on May 22, 2014, 02:19:39 PM
Quote from: PANK! on May 22, 2014, 02:15:26 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 22, 2014, 01:17:23 PM
Quote from: Brownie on May 22, 2014, 12:34:12 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 21, 2014, 12:58:16 PM
Quote from: Yeti on May 21, 2014, 12:53:32 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 21, 2014, 12:39:33 PM
Damn.
Quote@CarrieMuskat #Cubs prospect Soler sidelined w/right hamstring strain. Checked by Chicago docs. Will go to AZ to rehab, then back to @smokiesbaseball
Is it time to change his name to RonDL White?
Jorge SDLer?
Jorge Soreleg
Ha ha! Winner.
Seconded.
I think Tonk was joking.
Nope.
Twitter buzz says the Cubs aren't really interested in Tyler Kolek, so they're hoping he gets taken ahead of them so they have a better shot at Carlos Rodon. If Rodon is gone, they supposedly could go underslot with a college bat like Max Pentecost (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2014/3/30/5559048/2014-mlb-draft-profile-max-pentecost-c-kennesaw-state) or Michael Conforto (http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=9852).
There's also Nick Gordon (Tom's son), who doesn't hit much but will stick at SS. There's some similarity to Almora there with makeup and defense being solid, so maybe that would make sense for them.
Basically, no one seems to know anything because this draft isn't very good (Jason Parks says Baez is blind doesn't think anyone from this class (https://twitter.com/ProfessorParks/status/473870775532126208) would be a top-25 prospect), so there are 10-15 guys sort of muddled together in the first round.
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2014, 12:34:01 PM
Twitter buzz says the Cubs aren't really interested in Tyler Kolek, so they're hoping he gets taken ahead of them so they have a better shot at Carlos Rodon. If Rodon is gone, they supposedly could go underslot with a college bat like Max Pentecost (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2014/3/30/5559048/2014-mlb-draft-profile-max-pentecost-c-kennesaw-state) or Michael Conforto (http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=9852).
There's also Nick Gordon (Tom's son), who doesn't hit much but will stick at SS. There's some similarity to Almora there with makeup and defense being solid, so maybe that would make sense for them.
Basically, no one seems to know anything because this draft isn't very good (Jason Parks says Baez is blind doesn't think anyone from this class (https://twitter.com/ProfessorParks/status/473870775532126208) would be a top-25 prospect), so there are 10-15 guys sort of muddled together in the first round.
I just swaw that Pentecost has already caught Tommy John Disease. I think it's incredible how prospects are having this surgery at such an early time in their development and at different positions other than pitcher--only because when you think TJD, you think pitcher. Anyway, AARON NOLA
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 03, 2014, 12:55:35 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2014, 12:34:01 PM
Twitter buzz says the Cubs aren't really interested in Tyler Kolek, so they're hoping he gets taken ahead of them so they have a better shot at Carlos Rodon. If Rodon is gone, they supposedly could go underslot with a college bat like Max Pentecost (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2014/3/30/5559048/2014-mlb-draft-profile-max-pentecost-c-kennesaw-state) or Michael Conforto (http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=9852).
There's also Nick Gordon (Tom's son), who doesn't hit much but will stick at SS. There's some similarity to Almora there with makeup and defense being solid, so maybe that would make sense for them.
Basically, no one seems to know anything because this draft isn't very good (Jason Parks says Baez is blind doesn't think anyone from this class (https://twitter.com/ProfessorParks/status/473870775532126208) would be a top-25 prospect), so there are 10-15 guys sort of muddled together in the first round.
I just swaw that Pentecost has already caught Tommy John Disease. I think it's incredible how prospects are having this surgery at such an early time in their development and at different positions other than pitcher--only because when you think TJD, you think pitcher. Anyway, AARON NOLA
Nola's working his way up to #4 by attrition.
How many voodoo candles do you have in your FEMA trailer anyway?
Quote from: Fork on June 03, 2014, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 03, 2014, 12:55:35 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2014, 12:34:01 PM
Twitter buzz says the Cubs aren't really interested in Tyler Kolek, so they're hoping he gets taken ahead of them so they have a better shot at Carlos Rodon. If Rodon is gone, they supposedly could go underslot with a college bat like Max Pentecost (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2014/3/30/5559048/2014-mlb-draft-profile-max-pentecost-c-kennesaw-state) or Michael Conforto (http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=9852).
There's also Nick Gordon (Tom's son), who doesn't hit much but will stick at SS. There's some similarity to Almora there with makeup and defense being solid, so maybe that would make sense for them.
Basically, no one seems to know anything because this draft isn't very good (Jason Parks says Baez is blind doesn't think anyone from this class (https://twitter.com/ProfessorParks/status/473870775532126208) would be a top-25 prospect), so there are 10-15 guys sort of muddled together in the first round.
I just swaw that Pentecost has already caught Tommy John Disease. I think it's incredible how prospects are having this surgery at such an early time in their development and at different positions other than pitcher--only because when you think TJD, you think pitcher. Anyway, AARON NOLA
Nola's working his way up to #4 by attrition.
How many voodoo candles do you have in your FEMA trailer anyway?
ICYMI
(http://tinyurl.com/nukhgdr)
Quote from: PenFoe on June 03, 2014, 02:33:31 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 03, 2014, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 03, 2014, 12:55:35 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2014, 12:34:01 PM
Twitter buzz says the Cubs aren't really interested in Tyler Kolek, so they're hoping he gets taken ahead of them so they have a better shot at Carlos Rodon. If Rodon is gone, they supposedly could go underslot with a college bat like Max Pentecost (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2014/3/30/5559048/2014-mlb-draft-profile-max-pentecost-c-kennesaw-state) or Michael Conforto (http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=9852).
There's also Nick Gordon (Tom's son), who doesn't hit much but will stick at SS. There's some similarity to Almora there with makeup and defense being solid, so maybe that would make sense for them.
Basically, no one seems to know anything because this draft isn't very good (Jason Parks says Baez is blind doesn't think anyone from this class (https://twitter.com/ProfessorParks/status/473870775532126208) would be a top-25 prospect), so there are 10-15 guys sort of muddled together in the first round.
I just swaw that Pentecost has already caught Tommy John Disease. I think it's incredible how prospects are having this surgery at such an early time in their development and at different positions other than pitcher--only because when you think TJD, you think pitcher. Anyway, AARON NOLA
Nola's working his way up to #4 by attrition.
How many voodoo candles do you have in your FEMA trailer anyway?
ICYMI
(http://tinyurl.com/nukhgdr)
Sahadev Sharma? The Taliban called...
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 03, 2014, 03:06:30 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 03, 2014, 02:33:31 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 03, 2014, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 03, 2014, 12:55:35 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2014, 12:34:01 PM
Twitter buzz says the Cubs aren't really interested in Tyler Kolek, so they're hoping he gets taken ahead of them so they have a better shot at Carlos Rodon. If Rodon is gone, they supposedly could go underslot with a college bat like Max Pentecost (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2014/3/30/5559048/2014-mlb-draft-profile-max-pentecost-c-kennesaw-state) or Michael Conforto (http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=9852).
There's also Nick Gordon (Tom's son), who doesn't hit much but will stick at SS. There's some similarity to Almora there with makeup and defense being solid, so maybe that would make sense for them.
Basically, no one seems to know anything because this draft isn't very good (Jason Parks says Baez is blind doesn't think anyone from this class (https://twitter.com/ProfessorParks/status/473870775532126208) would be a top-25 prospect), so there are 10-15 guys sort of muddled together in the first round.
I just swaw that Pentecost has already caught Tommy John Disease. I think it's incredible how prospects are having this surgery at such an early time in their development and at different positions other than pitcher--only because when you think TJD, you think pitcher. Anyway, AARON NOLA
Nola's working his way up to #4 by attrition.
How many voodoo candles do you have in your FEMA trailer anyway?
ICYMI
(http://tinyurl.com/nukhgdr)
Sahadev Sharma? The Taliban called...
Are they pissed that a dude of Indian descent is Tweeting about American sports? Sounds like the kind of thing that would chafe their ass. You know who else wouldn't like it? Backward ass southern crackers.
Quote from: InternetApex on June 03, 2014, 03:14:41 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 03, 2014, 03:06:30 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 03, 2014, 02:33:31 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 03, 2014, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 03, 2014, 12:55:35 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2014, 12:34:01 PM
Twitter buzz says the Cubs aren't really interested in Tyler Kolek, so they're hoping he gets taken ahead of them so they have a better shot at Carlos Rodon. If Rodon is gone, they supposedly could go underslot with a college bat like Max Pentecost (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2014/3/30/5559048/2014-mlb-draft-profile-max-pentecost-c-kennesaw-state) or Michael Conforto (http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=9852).
There's also Nick Gordon (Tom's son), who doesn't hit much but will stick at SS. There's some similarity to Almora there with makeup and defense being solid, so maybe that would make sense for them.
Basically, no one seems to know anything because this draft isn't very good (Jason Parks says Baez is blind doesn't think anyone from this class (https://twitter.com/ProfessorParks/status/473870775532126208) would be a top-25 prospect), so there are 10-15 guys sort of muddled together in the first round.
I just swaw that Pentecost has already caught Tommy John Disease. I think it's incredible how prospects are having this surgery at such an early time in their development and at different positions other than pitcher--only because when you think TJD, you think pitcher. Anyway, AARON NOLA
Nola's working his way up to #4 by attrition.
How many voodoo candles do you have in your FEMA trailer anyway?
ICYMI
(http://tinyurl.com/nukhgdr)
Sahadev Sharma? The Taliban called...
Are they pissed that a dude of Indian descent is Tweeting about American sports? Sounds like the kind of thing that would chafe their ass. You know who else wouldn't like it? Backward ass southern crackers.
To be fair, what's his beef with Cricket?
Quote from: Yeti on June 03, 2014, 03:21:21 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 03, 2014, 03:14:41 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 03, 2014, 03:06:30 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 03, 2014, 02:33:31 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 03, 2014, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 03, 2014, 12:55:35 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2014, 12:34:01 PM
Twitter buzz says the Cubs aren't really interested in Tyler Kolek, so they're hoping he gets taken ahead of them so they have a better shot at Carlos Rodon. If Rodon is gone, they supposedly could go underslot with a college bat like Max Pentecost (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2014/3/30/5559048/2014-mlb-draft-profile-max-pentecost-c-kennesaw-state) or Michael Conforto (http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=9852).
There's also Nick Gordon (Tom's son), who doesn't hit much but will stick at SS. There's some similarity to Almora there with makeup and defense being solid, so maybe that would make sense for them.
Basically, no one seems to know anything because this draft isn't very good (Jason Parks says Baez is blind doesn't think anyone from this class (https://twitter.com/ProfessorParks/status/473870775532126208) would be a top-25 prospect), so there are 10-15 guys sort of muddled together in the first round.
I just swaw that Pentecost has already caught Tommy John Disease. I think it's incredible how prospects are having this surgery at such an early time in their development and at different positions other than pitcher--only because when you think TJD, you think pitcher. Anyway, AARON NOLA
Nola's working his way up to #4 by attrition.
How many voodoo candles do you have in your FEMA trailer anyway?
ICYMI
(http://tinyurl.com/nukhgdr)
Sahadev Sharma? The Taliban called...
Are they pissed that a dude of Indian descent is Tweeting about American sports? Sounds like the kind of thing that would chafe their ass. You know who else wouldn't like it? Backward ass southern crackers.
To be fair, what's his beef with Cricket?
Why do you assume he has one? Why not Tweet him and ask?
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 03, 2014, 03:06:30 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 03, 2014, 02:33:31 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 03, 2014, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 03, 2014, 12:55:35 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2014, 12:34:01 PM
Twitter buzz says the Cubs aren't really interested in Tyler Kolek, so they're hoping he gets taken ahead of them so they have a better shot at Carlos Rodon. If Rodon is gone, they supposedly could go underslot with a college bat like Max Pentecost (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2014/3/30/5559048/2014-mlb-draft-profile-max-pentecost-c-kennesaw-state) or Michael Conforto (http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=9852).
There's also Nick Gordon (Tom's son), who doesn't hit much but will stick at SS. There's some similarity to Almora there with makeup and defense being solid, so maybe that would make sense for them.
Basically, no one seems to know anything because this draft isn't very good (Jason Parks says Baez is blind doesn't think anyone from this class (https://twitter.com/ProfessorParks/status/473870775532126208) would be a top-25 prospect), so there are 10-15 guys sort of muddled together in the first round.
I just swaw that Pentecost has already caught Tommy John Disease. I think it's incredible how prospects are having this surgery at such an early time in their development and at different positions other than pitcher--only because when you think TJD, you think pitcher. Anyway, AARON NOLA
Nola's working his way up to #4 by attrition.
How many voodoo candles do you have in your FEMA trailer anyway?
ICYMI
(http://tinyurl.com/nukhgdr)
Sahadev Sharma? The Taliban called...
and said "Hey, you have an Indian name, not Arabic. Sorry, wrong number."
I thought the Taliban spoke Farsi or Pashto, and that Indians generally are not their friends (+1 for the subcontinent).
Either way, did ahadev askl them their opinion of Cleveland's trade of Von Hayes?
Quote from: Brownie on June 03, 2014, 03:55:36 PM
I thought the Taliban spoke Farsi or Pashto, and that Indians generally are not their friends (+1 for the subcontinent).
Either way, did ahadev askl them their opinion of Cleveland's trade of Von Hayes?
Any trade of Von Hayes is a good one.
Jesus Christ did a taliban joke really just happen
Quote from: Slaky on June 03, 2014, 04:34:46 PMJesus Christ did a taliban joke really just happen
If you're a Cubs fan who uses the internet and you don't know who Sahadev is then you're probably a gay Taliban guy. The joke is funny because it's the year 2002!
Quote from: R-V on June 03, 2014, 05:03:17 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 03, 2014, 04:34:46 PMJesus Christ did a taliban joke really just happen
If you're a Cubs fan who uses the internet and you don't know who Sahadev is then you're probably a gay Taliban guy. The joke is funny because it's the year 2002!
It was not funny then either.
Quote from: InternetApex on June 03, 2014, 05:10:25 PM
Quote from: R-V on June 03, 2014, 05:03:17 PM
Quote from: Slaky on June 03, 2014, 04:34:46 PMJesus Christ did a taliban joke really just happen
If you're a Cubs fan who uses the internet and you don't know who Sahadev is then you're probably a gay Taliban guy. The joke is funny because it's the year 2002!
It was not funny then either.
Speaking for all the marshjacks from SC: we do not endorse this particular Swampjack press release.
Interesting point from Ace (http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/06/04/chicago-cubs-draft-notes-day-before-the-draft-its-not-too-late-for-a-new-rumor/) (and probably a point made elsewhere by others):
QuoteA point that I've really missed the boat on emphasizing around here: because the 2011 draft was known to the be the last year before serious changes were coming in the 2012 CBA, a number of teams – Cubs included – went nuts on spending, which had the effect of dramatically reducing the number of elite high schoolers who went to college. Three years later, and those guys would have been college juniors – i.e., the primary crop of college talent in the 2014 draft. No wonder the overall college talent level is considered down this year, and no wonder folks are talking up the relative strength of high school pitchers. I expect the Cubs to take a number of high school pitchers, specifically, in the 2nd through 6th round range, and again in the 11th to 40th range.
One update for tonight's draft, from Sahadev on Twitter:
QuoteIf Aiken & Rodon are gone (likely) sounds like Conforto/Gordon are top guys. Pentecost/Schwarber are options. Nola & Jackson are not. #Cubs
I don't even think I like Rodon that much, so that's fine by me. He's already had some shoulder issues in the past and his workloads were really high this year.
I'm probably most intrigued by Pentecost. Conforto sort of bores me, but if that's where their scouting leads them, that's fine. No. 4 seems sort of high for Gordon, since he can't hit.
Quote from: Eli on June 05, 2014, 08:59:54 AM
One update for tonight's draft, from Sahadev on Twitter:
QuoteIf Aiken & Rodon are gone (likely) sounds like Conforto/Gordon are top guys. Pentecost/Schwarber are options. Nola & Jackson are not. #Cubs
I don't even think I like Rodon that much, so that's fine by me. He's already had some shoulder issues in the past and his workloads were really high this year.
I'm probably most intrigued by Pentecost. Conforto sort of bores me, but if that's where their scouting leads them, that's fine. No. 4 seems sort of high for Gordon, since he can't hit.
I don't see why Jepstink would draft another middle infielder. Nobody seems to talk about Kyle Freeland, but color me interested.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB20001424052702304049904579518121397407590
QuoteSo far this season, Freeland is 7-1 with a 1.83 ERA, but that only begins to tell the story. He also has 87 strikeouts against just four walks in 64 innings. That 21.8 strikeout-to-walk ratio is twice that of the most heralded college pitching prospect in recent history, Stephen Strasburg. His was 10.3 for San Diego State before being selected first overall by the Washington Nationals in 2009.
Quote from: ChuckD on June 05, 2014, 09:26:33 AM
Nobody seems to talk about Kyle Freeland
HEY! (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8211.msg275351#msg275351)
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Quote from: ChuckD on June 05, 2014, 09:26:33 AM
Nobody seems to talk about Kyle Freeland
HEY! (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8211.msg275351#msg275351)
I meant reporters and draft "experts" with respect to him going to the Cubs. I'd be sort of bummed if Jepstink didn't go for a nearly MLB ready arm with the #4 pick.
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Nobody seems to talk about Kyle Freeland
HEY! (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8211.msg275351#msg275351)
I meant reporters and draft "experts" with respect to him going to the Cubs. I'd be sort of bummed if Jepstink didn't go for a nearly MLB ready arm with the #4 pick.
Agreed. I'd prefer that type of player (this would include Nola, too) over someone like Gordon, who's probably 4-5 years away. You know, in the abstract.
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Nobody seems to talk about Kyle Freeland
HEY! (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8211.msg275351#msg275351)
I meant reporters and draft "experts" with respect to him going to the Cubs. I'd be sort of bummed if Jepstink didn't go for a nearly MLB ready arm with the #4 pick.
Agreed. I'd prefer that type of player (this would include Nola, too) over someone like Gordon, who's probably 4-5 years away. You know, in the abstract.
Would your thinking on this change if they were able to sign Samardzija to an extension?
Quote from: Eli on June 05, 2014, 08:59:54 AM
One update for tonight's draft, from Sahadev on Twitter:
QuoteIf Aiken & Rodon are gone (likely) sounds like Conforto/Gordon are top guys. Pentecost/Schwarber are options. Nola & Jackson are not. #Cubs
I don't even think I like Rodon that much, so that's fine by me. He's already had some shoulder issues in the past and his workloads were really high this year.
I'm probably most intrigued by Pentecost. Conforto sort of bores me, but if that's where their scouting leads them, that's fine. No. 4 seems sort of high for Gordon, since he can't hit.
Intrepid Reader: IAN: Sahadev? What does that muslim terrorist know about baseball?
Quote from: R-V on June 05, 2014, 09:59:50 AM
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Quote from: ChuckD on June 05, 2014, 09:26:33 AM
Nobody seems to talk about Kyle Freeland
HEY! (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8211.msg275351#msg275351)
I meant reporters and draft "experts" with respect to him going to the Cubs. I'd be sort of bummed if Jepstink didn't go for a nearly MLB ready arm with the #4 pick.
Agreed. I'd prefer that type of player (this would include Nola, too) over someone like Gordon, who's probably 4-5 years away. You know, in the abstract.
Would your thinking on this change if they were able to sign Samardzija to an extension?
Not really. I mostly just don't want Gordon. If they choose him, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and talk myself into it by tomorrow morning because they obviously know more about scouting than I do, but the idea of a light-hitting, toolsy HS shortstop doesn't thrill me. Plus, it's a crappy draft, so it's not like there's someone I'm really dying for them to take.
Basically, it's tough to get too worked up either way about who they will take tonight.
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Quote from: ChuckD on June 05, 2014, 09:26:33 AM
Nobody seems to talk about Kyle Freeland
HEY! (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8211.msg275351#msg275351)
I meant reporters and draft "experts" with respect to him going to the Cubs. I'd be sort of bummed if Jepstink didn't go for a nearly MLB ready arm with the #4 pick.
Agreed. I'd prefer that type of player (this would include Nola, too) over someone like Gordon, who's probably 4-5 years away. You know, in the abstract.
Would your thinking on this change if they were able to sign Samardzija to an extension?
Not really. I mostly just don't want Gordon. If they choose him, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and talk myself into it by tomorrow morning because they obviously know more about scouting than I do, but the idea of a light-hitting, toolsy HS shortstop doesn't thrill me. Plus, it's a crappy draft, so it's not like there's someone I'm really dying for them to take.
Basically, it's tough to get too worked up either way about who they will take tonight.
If he doesn't hit 500 ft dingers and lots of them by age 18, he's of no use to Eli. Come on Theo, move that meter!
There's still time to trade Samardzija to Colorado for Gray, Butler, and a competitive balance pick, assuming the Rockies front office is hitting the meth hard today! GET IT DONE JIM JED
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Quote from: ChuckD on June 05, 2014, 09:26:33 AM
Nobody seems to talk about Kyle Freeland
HEY! (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8211.msg275351#msg275351)
I meant reporters and draft "experts" with respect to him going to the Cubs. I'd be sort of bummed if Jepstink didn't go for a nearly MLB ready arm with the #4 pick.
Agreed. I'd prefer that type of player (this would include Nola, too) over someone like Gordon, who's probably 4-5 years away. You know, in the abstract.
Would your thinking on this change if they were able to sign Samardzija to an extension?
Not really. I mostly just don't want Gordon. If they choose him, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and talk myself into it by tomorrow morning because they obviously know more about scouting than I do, but the idea of a light-hitting, toolsy HS shortstop doesn't thrill me. Plus, it's a crappy draft, so it's not like there's someone I'm really dying for them to take.
Basically, it's tough to get too worked up either way about who they will take tonight.
I'm assuming you purposely picked the guy they're most likely to take so that you can have ammo for future butthurt about the pace of the rebuild.
Feed the meme, Eli...feed the meme.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2014, 01:08:05 PM
I'm assuming you purposely picked the guy they're most likely to take so that you can have ammo for future butthurt about the pace of the rebuild.
Oh good grief.
Here's a statsy breakdown (http://nblo.gs/XsXsH) on some of the available options for the Cubs at 4, makes a good case for Schwarber.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2014, 01:41:30 PM
Here's a statsy breakdown (http://nblo.gs/XsXsH) on some of the available options for the Cubs at 4, makes a good case for Schwarber.
Interesting. I'm fine with any of those guys. I like Pentecost, but mostly because he's a catcher and they sort of need one. Conforto still seems to be the most likely option, based on Callis and Law's final mocks (those two guys historically have been well-connected to sources).
Quote from: Eli on June 05, 2014, 03:53:17 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2014, 01:41:30 PM
Here's a statsy breakdown (http://nblo.gs/XsXsH) on some of the available options for the Cubs at 4, makes a good case for Schwarber.
Interesting. I'm fine with any of those guys. I like Pentecost, but mostly because he's a catcher and they sort of need one. Conforto still seems to be the most likely option, based on Callis and Law's final mocks (those two guys historically have been well-connected to sources).
Intrepid Reader--Beefcastle: Que?
Quote from: PANK! on June 05, 2014, 04:21:51 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 05, 2014, 03:53:17 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2014, 01:41:30 PM
Here's a statsy breakdown (http://nblo.gs/XsXsH) on some of the available options for the Cubs at 4, makes a good case for Schwarber.
Interesting. I'm fine with any of those guys. I like Pentecost, but mostly because he's a catcher and they sort of need one. Conforto still seems to be the most likely option, based on Callis and Law's final mocks (those two guys historically have been well-connected to sources).
Intrepid Reader--Beefcastle: Que?
There's a 51% chance that Welington Castillo sucks.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2014, 04:27:12 PM
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Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2014, 01:41:30 PM
Here's a statsy breakdown (http://nblo.gs/XsXsH) on some of the available options for the Cubs at 4, makes a good case for Schwarber.
Interesting. I'm fine with any of those guys. I like Pentecost, but mostly because he's a catcher and they sort of need one. Conforto still seems to be the most likely option, based on Callis and Law's final mocks (those two guys historically have been well-connected to sources).
Intrepid Reader--Beefcastle: Que?
There's a 51% chance that Welington Castillo sucks.
There isn't a lot in the minors at the position either. Maybe Will Remillard is something, but they could definitely use more.
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Here's a statsy breakdown (http://nblo.gs/XsXsH) on some of the available options for the Cubs at 4, makes a good case for Schwarber.
Interesting. I'm fine with any of those guys. I like Pentecost, but mostly because he's a catcher and they sort of need one. Conforto still seems to be the most likely option, based on Callis and Law's final mocks (those two guys historically have been well-connected to sources).
Intrepid Reader--Beefcastle: Que?
There's a 51% chance that Welington Castillo sucks.
There isn't a lot in the minors at the position either. Maybe Will Remillard is something, but they could definitely use more.
Yeah... A straight statistical comparison doesn't really account for the positional value a catcher brings over a first baseman.
(http://web.usabaseball.com/assets/images/4/5/4/70902454/cuts/schwarber_640_s13ksud1_tjh2082s.jpg)
Is he Dan Vogelbach's twin or something?
(http://www.perfectgame.org/images/profilepics/11WN24.jpg) (http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/126/1268449.jpg)
Congrats to SKO on being the Cubs first pick this year.
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(http://web.usabaseball.com/assets/images/4/5/4/70902454/cuts/schwarber_640_s13ksud1_tjh2082s.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/vPGwWzY.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/iCc1qk6.jpg)
Quote from: Eli on June 05, 2014, 04:30:38 PM
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Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2014, 01:41:30 PM
Here's a statsy breakdown (http://nblo.gs/XsXsH) on some of the available options for the Cubs at 4, makes a good case for Schwarber.
Interesting. I'm fine with any of those guys. I like Pentecost, but mostly because he's a catcher and they sort of need one. Conforto still seems to be the most likely option, based on Callis and Law's final mocks (those two guys historically have been well-connected to sources).
Intrepid Reader--Beefcastle: Que?
There's a 51% chance that Welington Castillo sucks.
There isn't a lot in the minors at the position either. Maybe Will Remillard is something, but they could definitely use more.
I thought I heard that the Cubs had more prospects than positions.
I loved everything I saw about Brady "My Guy" Aiken's profile and I'm jealous Houston got him, unlike last year when I was glad they took Appel so Bryant could fall to the Cubs. The Kershaw comps might not be that far off.
Anyway, Peter Gammons thinks the Cubs got "by far" the best player in the entire draft last year in Bryant, and now they're getting "the best bat" in this year's draft with Kyle Schwarber. He also claimed the Cubs had Schwarber down as the best hitter in the 2014 class. The whole MLB Network experts' panel seemed to really like the pick. (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/78178756/v33466573/draft-2014-cubs-draft-c-kyle-schwarber-no-4) (MLB-owned mouthpiece caveats apply.)
What say you, boys? Will he trade off MVP awards with Baez and Bryant or will he just end up in third place every year?
In the second round they took Jake Stinnett (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/67565098/v32334675/draft-report-jake-stinnett-college-pitcher), the first college senior taken this year and a right-handed pitcher from Maryland, which apparently doesn't allow video cameras in their stadium.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 05, 2014, 11:21:38 PM
I loved everything I saw about Brady "My Guy" Aiken's profile and I'm jealous Houston got him, unlike last year when I was glad they took Appel so Bryant could fall to the Cubs. The Kershaw comps might not be that far off.
Anyway, Peter Gammons thinks the Cubs got "by far" the best player in the entire draft last year in Bryant, and now they're getting "the best bat" in this year's draft with Kyle Schwarber. He also claimed the Cubs had Schwarber down as the best hitter in the 2014 class. The whole MLB Network experts' panel seemed to really like the pick. (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/78178756/v33466573/draft-2014-cubs-draft-c-kyle-schwarber-no-4) (MLB-owned mouthpiece caveats apply.)
What say you, boys? Will he trade off MVP awards with Baez and Bryant or will he just end up in third place every year?
In the second round they took Jake Stinnett (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/67565098/v32334675/draft-report-jake-stinnett-college-pitcher), the first college senior taken this year and a right-handed pitcher from Maryland, which apparently doesn't allow video cameras in their stadium.
Neither pick seems to be all that exciting, mostly because it's hard to get pumped about obvious underslot picks until you see who they get with the savings. It seems pointless to get too worked up in either direction about a draft pick unless your team is getting Bryce Harper. Or Hayden Simpson, on the other side of things.
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Here's a statsy breakdown (http://nblo.gs/XsXsH) on some of the available options for the Cubs at 4, makes a good case for Schwarber.
Interesting. I'm fine with any of those guys. I like Pentecost, but mostly because he's a catcher and they sort of need one. Conforto still seems to be the most likely option, based on Callis and Law's final mocks (those two guys historically have been well-connected to sources).
Intrepid Reader--Beefcastle: Que?
There's a 51% chance that Welington Castillo sucks.
There isn't a lot in the minors at the position either. Maybe Will Remillard is something, but they could definitely use more.
I thought I heard that the Cubs had more prospects than positions.
Quote from: me
I'm simply stating there are more than one prospect per position in the system, everywhere but catcher. Which is where a good team wants to be, and the Cubs never are.
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Here's a statsy breakdown (http://nblo.gs/XsXsH) on some of the available options for the Cubs at 4, makes a good case for Schwarber.
Interesting. I'm fine with any of those guys. I like Pentecost, but mostly because he's a catcher and they sort of need one. Conforto still seems to be the most likely option, based on Callis and Law's final mocks (those two guys historically have been well-connected to sources).
Intrepid Reader--Beefcastle: Que?
There's a 51% chance that Welington Castillo sucks.
There isn't a lot in the minors at the position either. Maybe Will Remillard is something, but they could definitely use more.
I thought I heard that the Cubs had more prospects than positions.
Quote from: me
I'm simply stating there are more than one prospect per position in the system, everywhere but catcher. Which is where a good team wants to be, and the Cubs never are.
We all know what you meant. We were just giving you shit.
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Here's a statsy breakdown (http://nblo.gs/XsXsH) on some of the available options for the Cubs at 4, makes a good case for Schwarber.
Interesting. I'm fine with any of those guys. I like Pentecost, but mostly because he's a catcher and they sort of need one. Conforto still seems to be the most likely option, based on Callis and Law's final mocks (those two guys historically have been well-connected to sources).
Intrepid Reader--Beefcastle: Que?
There's a 51% chance that Welington Castillo sucks.
There isn't a lot in the minors at the position either. Maybe Will Remillard is something, but they could definitely use more.
I thought I heard that the Cubs had more prospects than positions.
Quote from: me
I'm simply stating there are more than one prospect per position in the system, everywhere but catcher. Which is where a good team wants to be, and the Cubs never are.
We all know what you meant. We were just giving you shit.
Never let the truth get in the way of a good meme.
I guess this bit from Keith Law is maybe a bit concerning (though he ends on a positive note):
QuoteSchwarber is listed at 6-feet, 240 pounds; only three players 6 feet or shorter and 240 pounds or more have ever played the outfield in the majors (Marlon Byrd, Dayan Viciedo and Byron Gettis), so the historical comps point to Schwarber moving to first base unless he can drop some weight. (The list isn't much better if you drop the weight bar to 230, adding four players, one of whom was nicknamed "Fats.") The Cubs did take the draft's best college senior at No. 45 in Jake Stinnett of Maryland, and I imagine both players will sign under-slot deals, giving the Cubs a dividend to use on Friday on some top prep players who are still on the board. So the net result of the Schwarber pick could end up a big positive.
Maybe the Cubs know that the DH is coming to the National League?
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 09:48:55 AM
Maybe the Cubs know that the DH is coming to the National League?
I thought that was what Vogelbach is for.
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Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 09:48:55 AM
Maybe the Cubs know that the DH is coming to the National League?
I thought that was what Vogelbach is for.
Fat guys are the new market inefficiency.
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Maybe the Cubs know that the DH is coming to the National League?
I thought that was what Vogelbach is for.
Fat guys are the new market inefficiency.
I know everyone is saying he can't, but I'm still holding up hope that this guy can play catcher.
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Maybe the Cubs know that the DH is coming to the National League?
I thought that was what Vogelbach is for.
Fat guys are the new market inefficiency.
I know everyone is saying he can't, but I'm still holding up hope that this guy can play catcher.
Last year everyone said Bryant would never stick at 3b, so you never know. He still might not, but he's not a butcher at 3rd.
I've read tweets that said Schwarber won't be able to play catcher, won't be able to play LF.
It's all a guessing game, if he hits the cover off the ball, the Cubs will find a place to play him.
Or trade him to someone who needs a first baseman/DH.
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Maybe the Cubs know that the DH is coming to the National League?
I thought that was what Vogelbach is for.
Fat guys are the new market inefficiency.
Finally your day has come.
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Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 09:48:55 AM
Maybe the Cubs know that the DH is coming to the National League?
I thought that was what Vogelbach is for.
Fat guys are the new market inefficiency.
I know everyone is saying he can't, but I'm still holding up hope that this guy can play catcher.
That sounds like the kind of thing I would do. Usually leads to some quality asshurt. Good luck.
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Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 09:48:55 AM
Maybe the Cubs know that the DH is coming to the National League?
I thought that was what Vogelbach is for.
Fat guys are the new market inefficiency.
I know everyone is saying he can't, but I'm still holding up hope that this guy can play catcher.
That sounds like the kind of thing I would do. Usually leads to some quality asshurt. Good luck.
Considering they just drafted a catcher in the 3rd round, I'm guessing this "Schwarber at Catcher" experiment just ended.
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Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 09:48:55 AM
Maybe the Cubs know that the DH is coming to the National League?
I thought that was what Vogelbach is for.
Fat guys are the new market inefficiency.
I know everyone is saying he can't, but I'm still holding up hope that this guy can play catcher.
That sounds like the kind of thing I would do. Usually leads to some quality asshurt. Good luck.
Considering they just drafted a catcher in the 3rd round, I'm guessing this "Schwarber at Catcher" experiment just ended.
No lock that Zagunis stays at catcher either though. Keep your dream alive!
QuoteZagunis' father, a high school assistant coach, moved him behind the plate in high school in south Jersey, and he is still trying to prove to scouts that he can be an everyday backstop. He started 28 of 62 games behind the plate for Virginia Tech's 2013 regional team, while also playing the corner outfield spots. He has been the regular catcher this year as well as the team's leading hitter and No. 2 basestealer. A successful high school quarterback, Zagunis shows more athleticism than the average college catcher, with plus speed to go with his powerful 6-foot, 212-pound frame. He's not afraid to take a walk and has a line-drive approach that should allow him to hit for average. His slugging percentage has declined by 100 points this season with less protection in the lineup, with just two homers after 14 his first two seasons. Teams still recognize his overall offensive track record, however, and see an impressive power/speed combination. Zagunis' receiving and defense remain below-average. He needs reps receiving and blocking, and his above-average arm strength hasn't translated to throwing out basestealers; he has thrown out less than 20 percent for his career.
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Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 09:48:55 AM
Maybe the Cubs know that the DH is coming to the National League?
I thought that was what Vogelbach is for.
Fat guys are the new market inefficiency.
I know everyone is saying he can't, but I'm still holding up hope that this guy can play catcher.
That sounds like the kind of thing I would do. Usually leads to some quality asshurt. Good luck.
Considering they just drafted a catcher in the 3rd round, I'm guessing this "Schwarber at Catcher" experiment just ended.
No lock that Zagunis stays at catcher either though. Keep your dream alive!
QuoteZagunis' father, a high school assistant coach, moved him behind the plate in high school in south Jersey, and he is still trying to prove to scouts that he can be an everyday backstop. He started 28 of 62 games behind the plate for Virginia Tech's 2013 regional team, while also playing the corner outfield spots. He has been the regular catcher this year as well as the team's leading hitter and No. 2 basestealer. A successful high school quarterback, Zagunis shows more athleticism than the average college catcher, with plus speed to go with his powerful 6-foot, 212-pound frame. He's not afraid to take a walk and has a line-drive approach that should allow him to hit for average. His slugging percentage has declined by 100 points this season with less protection in the lineup, with just two homers after 14 his first two seasons. Teams still recognize his overall offensive track record, however, and see an impressive power/speed combination. Zagunis' receiving and defense remain below-average. He needs reps receiving and blocking, and his above-average arm strength hasn't translated to throwing out basestealers; he has thrown out less than 20 percent for his career.
It's not like there isn't precedent.
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Even catchers aren't good catchers.
Quote from: Slaky on June 06, 2014, 01:48:26 PM
Even catchers aren't good catchers.
Hank White could catch AIDS, throw out Billy Hamilton at second with it and come out no worse for wear.
Quote from: Yeti on June 06, 2014, 09:40:03 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 09:16:04 AM
Quote from: Fork on June 06, 2014, 09:08:24 AM
Quote from: Shooter on June 05, 2014, 08:53:36 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 05, 2014, 04:30:38 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2014, 04:27:12 PM
Quote from: PANK! on June 05, 2014, 04:21:51 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 05, 2014, 03:53:17 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2014, 01:41:30 PM
Here's a statsy breakdown (http://nblo.gs/XsXsH) on some of the available options for the Cubs at 4, makes a good case for Schwarber.
Interesting. I'm fine with any of those guys. I like Pentecost, but mostly because he's a catcher and they sort of need one. Conforto still seems to be the most likely option, based on Callis and Law's final mocks (those two guys historically have been well-connected to sources).
Intrepid Reader--Beefcastle: Que?
There's a 51% chance that Welington Castillo sucks.
There isn't a lot in the minors at the position either. Maybe Will Remillard is something, but they could definitely use more.
I thought I heard that the Cubs had more prospects than positions.
Quote from: me
I'm simply stating there are more than one prospect per position in the system, everywhere but catcher. Which is where a good team wants to be, and the Cubs never are.
We all know what you meant. We were just giving you shit.
Never let the truth get in the way of a good meme.
I need to check the meme datase to see where this one fits in.
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 09:48:55 AM
I guess this bit from Keith Law is maybe a bit concerning (though he ends on a positive note):
QuoteSchwarber is listed at 6-feet, 240 pounds; only three players 6 feet or shorter and 240 pounds or more have ever played the outfield in the majors (Marlon Byrd, Dayan Viciedo and Byron Gettis), so the historical comps point to Schwarber moving to first base unless he can drop some weight. (The list isn't much better if you drop the weight bar to 230, adding four players, one of whom was nicknamed "Fats.") The Cubs did take the draft's best college senior at No. 45 in Jake Stinnett of Maryland, and I imagine both players will sign under-slot deals, giving the Cubs a dividend to use on Friday on some top prep players who are still on the board. So the net result of the Schwarber pick could end up a big positive.
Maybe the Cubs know that the DH is coming to the National League?
Curious about how meaningful that is, I just downloaded some files from Baseball-DataBank.org (http://www.baseball-databank.org/) (not updated since March 2011, so the likes of Dayan Viciedo and Mike Trout are not accounted for) and filtered for players in the datase who've started 10 or more games in the outfield, weigh 225 pounds or more and are 75 inches or shorter.
Finally, for sake of apples-to-apples comparisons, I calculated each player's BMI (lbs / in^2 * 703 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index)).
The results, with Schwarber added to the mix...
Name W H BMI
Carlos Lee 265 74 34.0
Wily Mo Pena 270 75 33.7
Marlon Byrd 245 72 33.2
Elijah Dukes 250 73 33.0
Byron Gettis 240 72 32.5
Kyle Schwarber 240 72 32.5
Travis Snider 235 72 31.9
Josh Fields 240 73 31.7
Paul McAnulty 225 71 31.4
Ty Wigginton 230 72 31.2
Chris Carter 230 72 31.2
Jack Cust 235 73 31.0
Daryle Ward 240 74 30.8
Nelson Cruz 240 74 30.8
Nick Stavinoha 240 74 30.8
Carlos Delgado 245 75 30.6
Benny Agbayani 225 72 30.5
Wendell Magee 225 72 30.5
Butch Huskey 244 75 30.5
Lance Berkman 230 73 30.3
Andruw Jones 230 73 30.3
Vernon Wells 230 73 30.3
Dernell Stenson 230 73 30.3
Ben Johnson 230 73 30.3
Eric Hinske 235 74 30.2
Carlos Quentin 235 74 30.2
Brandon Allen 235 74 30.2
Jason Giambi 240 75 30.0
Austin Kearns 240 75 30.0
Miguel Cairo 225 73 29.7
Pete Incaviglia 225 73 29.7
Bobby Kielty 225 73 29.7
Jim Rushford 225 73 29.7
Jonny Gomes 225 73 29.7
Hector Luna 225 73 29.7
Ken Griffey 230 74 29.5
Juan Rivera 230 74 29.5
Travis Buck 230 74 29.5
Vladimir Guerrero 235 75 29.4
Logan Morrison 235 75 29.4
Michael Cuddyer 225 74 28.9
Torii Hunter 225 74 28.9
Raul Ibanez 225 74 28.9
Glenn Murray 225 74 28.9
Gene Oliver 225 74 28.9
Jason Lane 225 74 28.9
Matt Tuiasosopo 225 74 28.9
Russell Branyan 230 75 28.7
Albert Pujols 230 75 28.7
Josh Kroeger 230 75 28.7
Chris Dickerson 230 75 28.7
Garret Anderson 225 75 28.1
Gary Matthews 225 75 28.1
Scott Thorman 225 75 28.1
Matt Kemp 225 75 28.1
Jay Bruce 225 75 28.1
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 06, 2014, 04:06:40 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 09:48:55 AM
I guess this bit from Keith Law is maybe a bit concerning (though he ends on a positive note):
QuoteSchwarber is listed at 6-feet, 240 pounds; only three players 6 feet or shorter and 240 pounds or more have ever played the outfield in the majors (Marlon Byrd, Dayan Viciedo and Byron Gettis), so the historical comps point to Schwarber moving to first base unless he can drop some weight. (The list isn't much better if you drop the weight bar to 230, adding four players, one of whom was nicknamed "Fats.") The Cubs did take the draft's best college senior at No. 45 in Jake Stinnett of Maryland, and I imagine both players will sign under-slot deals, giving the Cubs a dividend to use on Friday on some top prep players who are still on the board. So the net result of the Schwarber pick could end up a big positive.
Maybe the Cubs know that the DH is coming to the National League?
Curious about how meaningful that is, I just downloaded some files from Baseball-DataBank.org (http://www.baseball-databank.org/) (not updated since March 2011, so the likes of Dayan Viciedo and Mike Trout are not accounted for) and filtered for players in the datase who've started 10 or more games in the outfield, weigh 225 pounds or more and are 75 inches or shorter.
Finally, for sake of apples-to-apples comparisons, I calculated each player's BMI (lbs / in^2 * 703 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index)).
The results, with Schwarber added to the mix...
Name W H BMI
Carlos Lee 265 74 34.0
Wily Mo Pena 270 75 33.7
Marlon Byrd 245 72 33.2
Elijah Dukes 250 73 33.0
Byron Gettis 240 72 32.5
Kyle Schwarber 240 72 32.5
Travis Snider 235 72 31.9
Josh Fields 240 73 31.7
Paul McAnulty 225 71 31.4
Ty Wigginton 230 72 31.2
Chris Carter 230 72 31.2
Jack Cust 235 73 31.0
Daryle Ward 240 74 30.8
Nelson Cruz 240 74 30.8
Nick Stavinoha 240 74 30.8
Carlos Delgado 245 75 30.6
Benny Agbayani 225 72 30.5
Wendell Magee 225 72 30.5
Butch Huskey 244 75 30.5
Lance Berkman 230 73 30.3
Andruw Jones 230 73 30.3
Vernon Wells 230 73 30.3
Dernell Stenson 230 73 30.3
Ben Johnson 230 73 30.3
Eric Hinske 235 74 30.2
Carlos Quentin 235 74 30.2
Brandon Allen 235 74 30.2
Jason Giambi 240 75 30.0
Austin Kearns 240 75 30.0
Miguel Cairo 225 73 29.7
Pete Incaviglia 225 73 29.7
Bobby Kielty 225 73 29.7
Jim Rushford 225 73 29.7
Jonny Gomes 225 73 29.7
Hector Luna 225 73 29.7
Ken Griffey 230 74 29.5
Juan Rivera 230 74 29.5
Travis Buck 230 74 29.5
Vladimir Guerrero 235 75 29.4
Logan Morrison 235 75 29.4
Michael Cuddyer 225 74 28.9
Torii Hunter 225 74 28.9
Raul Ibanez 225 74 28.9
Glenn Murray 225 74 28.9
Gene Oliver 225 74 28.9
Jason Lane 225 74 28.9
Matt Tuiasosopo 225 74 28.9
Russell Branyan 230 75 28.7
Albert Pujols 230 75 28.7
Josh Kroeger 230 75 28.7
Chris Dickerson 230 75 28.7
Garret Anderson 225 75 28.1
Gary Matthews 225 75 28.1
Scott Thorman 225 75 28.1
Matt Kemp 225 75 28.1
Jay Bruce 225 75 28.1
I don't even want to analyze this, I just want to acknowledge that this post is truly what makes this the only site.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 04:11:56 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 06, 2014, 04:06:40 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 09:48:55 AM
I guess this bit from Keith Law is maybe a bit concerning (though he ends on a positive note):
QuoteSchwarber is listed at 6-feet, 240 pounds; only three players 6 feet or shorter and 240 pounds or more have ever played the outfield in the majors (Marlon Byrd, Dayan Viciedo and Byron Gettis), so the historical comps point to Schwarber moving to first base unless he can drop some weight. (The list isn't much better if you drop the weight bar to 230, adding four players, one of whom was nicknamed "Fats.") The Cubs did take the draft's best college senior at No. 45 in Jake Stinnett of Maryland, and I imagine both players will sign under-slot deals, giving the Cubs a dividend to use on Friday on some top prep players who are still on the board. So the net result of the Schwarber pick could end up a big positive.
Maybe the Cubs know that the DH is coming to the National League?
Curious about how meaningful that is, I just downloaded some files from Baseball-DataBank.org (http://www.baseball-databank.org/) (not updated since March 2011, so the likes of Dayan Viciedo and Mike Trout are not accounted for) and filtered for players in the datase who've started 10 or more games in the outfield, weigh 225 pounds or more and are 75 inches or shorter.
Finally, for sake of apples-to-apples comparisons, I calculated each player's BMI (lbs / in^2 * 703 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index)).
The results, with Schwarber added to the mix...
Name W H BMI
Carlos Lee 265 74 34.0
Wily Mo Pena 270 75 33.7
Marlon Byrd 245 72 33.2
Elijah Dukes 250 73 33.0
Byron Gettis 240 72 32.5
Kyle Schwarber 240 72 32.5
Travis Snider 235 72 31.9
Josh Fields 240 73 31.7
Paul McAnulty 225 71 31.4
Ty Wigginton 230 72 31.2
Chris Carter 230 72 31.2
Jack Cust 235 73 31.0
Daryle Ward 240 74 30.8
Nelson Cruz 240 74 30.8
Nick Stavinoha 240 74 30.8
Carlos Delgado 245 75 30.6
Benny Agbayani 225 72 30.5
Wendell Magee 225 72 30.5
Butch Huskey 244 75 30.5
Lance Berkman 230 73 30.3
Andruw Jones 230 73 30.3
Vernon Wells 230 73 30.3
Dernell Stenson 230 73 30.3
Ben Johnson 230 73 30.3
Eric Hinske 235 74 30.2
Carlos Quentin 235 74 30.2
Brandon Allen 235 74 30.2
Jason Giambi 240 75 30.0
Austin Kearns 240 75 30.0
Miguel Cairo 225 73 29.7
Pete Incaviglia 225 73 29.7
Bobby Kielty 225 73 29.7
Jim Rushford 225 73 29.7
Jonny Gomes 225 73 29.7
Hector Luna 225 73 29.7
Ken Griffey 230 74 29.5
Juan Rivera 230 74 29.5
Travis Buck 230 74 29.5
Vladimir Guerrero 235 75 29.4
Logan Morrison 235 75 29.4
Michael Cuddyer 225 74 28.9
Torii Hunter 225 74 28.9
Raul Ibanez 225 74 28.9
Glenn Murray 225 74 28.9
Gene Oliver 225 74 28.9
Jason Lane 225 74 28.9
Matt Tuiasosopo 225 74 28.9
Russell Branyan 230 75 28.7
Albert Pujols 230 75 28.7
Josh Kroeger 230 75 28.7
Chris Dickerson 230 75 28.7
Garret Anderson 225 75 28.1
Gary Matthews 225 75 28.1
Scott Thorman 225 75 28.1
Matt Kemp 225 75 28.1
Jay Bruce 225 75 28.1
I don't even want to analyze this, I just want to acknowledge that this post is truly what makes this the only site.
DPD, but for a lot of guys, I'm assuming these BMIs are based on measurements from later in their careers and not when they were 23.
I'll happily settle for Carlos Lee or Nelson Cruz, but not many others on this list that were primarily OFs.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 04:22:36 PM
DPD, but for a lot of guys, I'm assuming these BMIs are based on measurements from later in their careers and not when they were 23.
I'll happily settle for Carlos Lee or Nelson Cruz, but not many others on this list that were primarily OFs.
Kudos to Tank for some impressive analysis. Especially going through all that trouble for an audience of like 9 people.
As for the actual numbers, they aren't ... encouraging. But there's so much that can change, it seems premature to worry too much. He could move to first, get traded, trade Rizzo, lose 25 pounds, etc.
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 04:29:17 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 04:22:36 PM
DPD, but for a lot of guys, I'm assuming these BMIs are based on measurements from later in their careers and not when they were 23.
I'll happily settle for Carlos Lee or Nelson Cruz, but not many others on this list that were primarily OFs.
Kudos to Tank for some impressive analysis. Especially going through all that trouble for an audience of like 9 people.
As for the actual numbers, they aren't ... encouraging. But there's so much that can change, it seems premature to worry too much. He could move to first, get traded, trade Rizzo, lose 25 pounds, etc.
He probably looks much more respectable at even just 10 lbs lighter. And I don't think that kind of weight loss is out of the question.
In fact, if he slims down 10 lbs while also growing an inch taller, he'd be the same listed weight/height as Mike Trout. And, what... you don't want the Cubs to draft Mike Trout?
All that said, I think this pick is pretty clearly a "best available" situation.
And I think I'm fine looking at him in terms of his value as a future trade chip.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 06, 2014, 04:53:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 04:29:17 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 04:22:36 PM
DPD, but for a lot of guys, I'm assuming these BMIs are based on measurements from later in their careers and not when they were 23.
I'll happily settle for Carlos Lee or Nelson Cruz, but not many others on this list that were primarily OFs.
Kudos to Tank for some impressive analysis. Especially going through all that trouble for an audience of like 9 people.
As for the actual numbers, they aren't ... encouraging. But there's so much that can change, it seems premature to worry too much. He could move to first, get traded, trade Rizzo, lose 25 pounds, etc.
He probably looks much more respectable at even just 10 lbs lighter. And I don't think that kind of weight loss is out of the question.
In fact, if he slims down 10 lbs while also growing an inch taller, he'd be the same listed weight/height as Mike Trout. And, what... you don't want the Cubs to draft Mike Trout?
Eli isn't going to be happy unless the Cubs draft Mike Trout and Bryce Harper combined into one.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 05:12:24 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 06, 2014, 04:53:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 04:29:17 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 04:22:36 PM
DPD, but for a lot of guys, I'm assuming these BMIs are based on measurements from later in their careers and not when they were 23.
I'll happily settle for Carlos Lee or Nelson Cruz, but not many others on this list that were primarily OFs.
Kudos to Tank for some impressive analysis. Especially going through all that trouble for an audience of like 9 people.
As for the actual numbers, they aren't ... encouraging. But there's so much that can change, it seems premature to worry too much. He could move to first, get traded, trade Rizzo, lose 25 pounds, etc.
He probably looks much more respectable at even just 10 lbs lighter. And I don't think that kind of weight loss is out of the question.
In fact, if he slims down 10 lbs while also growing an inch taller, he'd be the same listed weight/height as Mike Trout. And, what... you don't want the Cubs to draft Mike Trout?
Eli isn't going to be happy unless the Cubs draft Mike Trout and Bryce Harper combined into one.
Bryke Harpout?
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 04:29:17 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 04:22:36 PM
DPD, but for a lot of guys, I'm assuming these BMIs are based on measurements from later in their careers and not when they were 23.
I'll happily settle for Carlos Lee or Nelson Cruz, but not many others on this list that were primarily OFs.
Kudos to Tank for some impressive analysis. Especially going through all that trouble for an audience of like 9 people.
As for the actual numbers, they aren't ... encouraging. But there's so much that can change, it seems premature to worry too much. He could move to first, get traded, trade Rizzo, lose 25 pounds, etc.
I think he's proven he can handle 20 people ... which means it's time for a blog.
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 04:29:17 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 04:22:36 PM
DPD, but for a lot of guys, I'm assuming these BMIs are based on measurements from later in their careers and not when they were 23.
I'll happily settle for Carlos Lee or Nelson Cruz, but not many others on this list that were primarily OFs.
Kudos to Tank for some impressive analysis. Especially going through all that trouble for an audience of like 9 people.
As for the actual numbers, they aren't ... encouraging. But there's so much that can change, it seems premature to worry too much. He could move to first, get traded, trade Rizzo, lose 25 pounds, etc.
I suppose he
could trade Rizzo, but I suspect that's Jepstink's job.
Quote from: Bort on June 06, 2014, 10:43:29 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 04:29:17 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 04:22:36 PM
DPD, but for a lot of guys, I'm assuming these BMIs are based on measurements from later in their careers and not when they were 23.
I'll happily settle for Carlos Lee or Nelson Cruz, but not many others on this list that were primarily OFs.
Kudos to Tank for some impressive analysis. Especially going through all that trouble for an audience of like 9 people.
As for the actual numbers, they aren't ... encouraging. But there's so much that can change, it seems premature to worry too much. He could move to first, get traded, trade Rizzo, lose 25 pounds, etc.
I suppose he could trade Rizzo, but I suspect that's Jepstink's job.
Yeah who does he think he is--Phil Nevin?
Quote from: Bort on June 06, 2014, 05:36:19 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 05:12:24 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 06, 2014, 04:53:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 04:29:17 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 04:22:36 PM
DPD, but for a lot of guys, I'm assuming these BMIs are based on measurements from later in their careers and not when they were 23.
I'll happily settle for Carlos Lee or Nelson Cruz, but not many others on this list that were primarily OFs.
Kudos to Tank for some impressive analysis. Especially going through all that trouble for an audience of like 9 people.
As for the actual numbers, they aren't ... encouraging. But there's so much that can change, it seems premature to worry too much. He could move to first, get traded, trade Rizzo, lose 25 pounds, etc.
He probably looks much more respectable at even just 10 lbs lighter. And I don't think that kind of weight loss is out of the question.
In fact, if he slims down 10 lbs while also growing an inch taller, he'd be the same listed weight/height as Mike Trout. And, what... you don't want the Cubs to draft Mike Trout?
Eli isn't going to be happy unless the Cubs draft Mike Trout and Bryce Harper combined into one.
Bryke Harpout?
Myce Trouper
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 07, 2014, 08:28:20 AM
Quote from: Bort on June 06, 2014, 05:36:19 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 05:12:24 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 06, 2014, 04:53:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 04:29:17 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 04:22:36 PM
DPD, but for a lot of guys, I'm assuming these BMIs are based on measurements from later in their careers and not when they were 23.
I'll happily settle for Carlos Lee or Nelson Cruz, but not many others on this list that were primarily OFs.
Kudos to Tank for some impressive analysis. Especially going through all that trouble for an audience of like 9 people.
As for the actual numbers, they aren't ... encouraging. But there's so much that can change, it seems premature to worry too much. He could move to first, get traded, trade Rizzo, lose 25 pounds, etc.
He probably looks much more respectable at even just 10 lbs lighter. And I don't think that kind of weight loss is out of the question.
In fact, if he slims down 10 lbs while also growing an inch taller, he'd be the same listed weight/height as Mike Trout. And, what... you don't want the Cubs to draft Mike Trout?
Eli isn't going to be happy unless the Cubs draft Mike Trout and Bryce Harper combined into one.
Bryke Harpout?
Myce Trouper
That sounds like a band Pitchfork would give 6.3 stars to.
Quote from: Bort on June 07, 2014, 08:37:44 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 07, 2014, 08:28:20 AM
Quote from: Bort on June 06, 2014, 05:36:19 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 05:12:24 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 06, 2014, 04:53:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 04:29:17 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 04:22:36 PM
DPD, but for a lot of guys, I'm assuming these BMIs are based on measurements from later in their careers and not when they were 23.
I'll happily settle for Carlos Lee or Nelson Cruz, but not many others on this list that were primarily OFs.
Kudos to Tank for some impressive analysis. Especially going through all that trouble for an audience of like 9 people.
As for the actual numbers, they aren't ... encouraging. But there's so much that can change, it seems premature to worry too much. He could move to first, get traded, trade Rizzo, lose 25 pounds, etc.
He probably looks much more respectable at even just 10 lbs lighter. And I don't think that kind of weight loss is out of the question.
In fact, if he slims down 10 lbs while also growing an inch taller, he'd be the same listed weight/height as Mike Trout. And, what... you don't want the Cubs to draft Mike Trout?
Eli isn't going to be happy unless the Cubs draft Mike Trout and Bryce Harper combined into one.
Bryke Harpout?
Myce Trouper
That sounds like a band Pitchfork would give 6.3 stars to.
Causing you to sell all your Myce Trouper import CDs.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 06, 2014, 04:53:47 PM
In fact, if he slims down 10 lbs while also growing an inch taller, he'd be the same listed weight/height as Mike Trout. And, what... you don't want the Cubs to draft Mike Trout?
That Mike Trout is 6'1" 230lbs is the most surprising thing I've heard in this entire draft.
Quote from: Fork on June 07, 2014, 09:39:55 AM
Quote from: Bort on June 07, 2014, 08:37:44 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 07, 2014, 08:28:20 AM
Quote from: Bort on June 06, 2014, 05:36:19 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 05:12:24 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 06, 2014, 04:53:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 04:29:17 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 04:22:36 PM
DPD, but for a lot of guys, I'm assuming these BMIs are based on measurements from later in their careers and not when they were 23.
I'll happily settle for Carlos Lee or Nelson Cruz, but not many others on this list that were primarily OFs.
Kudos to Tank for some impressive analysis. Especially going through all that trouble for an audience of like 9 people.
As for the actual numbers, they aren't ... encouraging. But there's so much that can change, it seems premature to worry too much. He could move to first, get traded, trade Rizzo, lose 25 pounds, etc.
He probably looks much more respectable at even just 10 lbs lighter. And I don't think that kind of weight loss is out of the question.
In fact, if he slims down 10 lbs while also growing an inch taller, he'd be the same listed weight/height as Mike Trout. And, what... you don't want the Cubs to draft Mike Trout?
Eli isn't going to be happy unless the Cubs draft Mike Trout and Bryce Harper combined into one.
Bryke Harpout?
Myce Trouper
That sounds like a band Pitchfork would give 6.3 stars to.
Causing you to sell all your Myce Trouper import CDs.
Please. I only collect Myce Trouper demos on acetate.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 06, 2014, 04:06:40 PM
The results, with Schwarber added to the mix...
Name W H BMI
Ty Wigginton 230 72 31.2
Ugh, that guy KILLS the Cubs.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 06, 2014, 04:53:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 04:29:17 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 04:22:36 PM
DPD, but for a lot of guys, I'm assuming these BMIs are based on measurements from later in their careers and not when they were 23.
I'll happily settle for Carlos Lee or Nelson Cruz, but not many others on this list that were primarily OFs.
Kudos to Tank for some impressive analysis. Especially going through all that trouble for an audience of like 9 people.
As for the actual numbers, they aren't ... encouraging. But there's so much that can change, it seems premature to worry too much. He could move to first, get traded, trade Rizzo, lose 25 pounds, etc.
He probably looks much more respectable at even just 10 lbs lighter. And I don't think that kind of weight loss is out of the question.
In fact, if he slims down 10 lbs while also growing an inch taller, he'd be the same listed weight/height as Mike Trout. And, what... you don't want the Cubs to draft Mike Trout?
I think devising a new height/weight metric to replace OPS could be a game changer.
CubsDen plugs in Schwarber (http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/2014/06/cubs-notes-pacheco-cahill-polanco-prospect-list-preview-and-more/#image/1) to the current list of top prospects.
Quote
1. Kris Bryant
2. Javier Baez
3. Albert Almora
4. Arismendy Alcantara
5. Kyle Schwarber
6. Jorge Soler
Obviously hard to rate Edwards since he's missed the whole season, and I don't know who of the guys playing right now (and under-performing to the tune of a solid A-) who be higher than Schwarber, but nice to see him quickly in a pretty high slot.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 10, 2014, 05:48:53 PM
CubsDen plugs in Schwarber (http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/2014/06/cubs-notes-pacheco-cahill-polanco-prospect-list-preview-and-more/#image/1) to the current list of top prospects.
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1. Kris Bryant
2. Javier Baez
3. Albert Almora
4. Arismendy Alcantara
5. Kyle Schwarber
6. Jorge Soler
Obviously hard to rate Edwards since he's missed the whole season, and I don't know who of the guys playing right now (and under-performing to the tune of a solid A-) who be higher than Schwarber, but nice to see him quickly in a pretty high slot.
Incidentally, 97 mph fastballs appear to be terrifying.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 10, 2014, 05:48:53 PM
CubsDen plugs in Schwarber (http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/2014/06/cubs-notes-pacheco-cahill-polanco-prospect-list-preview-and-more/#image/1) to the current list of top prospects.
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1. Kris Bryant
2. Javier Baez
3. Albert Almora
4. Arismendy Alcantara
5. Kyle Schwarber
6. Jorge Soler
Tweaked.
Actually, I'd put Alcantara ahead of Almora at this point.
Quote from: Eli on June 11, 2014, 09:50:53 AM
Actually, I'd put Alcantara ahead of Almora at this point.
I'm actually at the point where if Baez and Bryant both hit - anyone else that manages to be useful at the ML level on that list is gravy. The fact is we're mostly really actually expecting two guys to be up in the next calendar year who can be monstrous major league power hitters.
That's kind of insane. You can build around those two and Rizzo whether it's through shrewd trade/FA signings (cheap vets) or prospects eventually reaching slightly above replacement level ML ability.
Plus, with Jed Hoyer admitting they plan to spend this winter and knowing how many SPs are hitting the market, especially ones with ties to Jepstink, I think...I think this is happening.
Like soon.
Quote from: Slaky on June 11, 2014, 10:06:41 AM
I'm actually at the point where if Baez and Bryant both hit - anyone else that manages to be useful at the ML level on that list is gravy. The fact is we're mostly really actually expecting two guys to be up in the next calendar year who can be monstrous major league power hitters.
I think they'll need some minor leaguers besides Baez and Bryant to contribute, unless they plan to double payroll and just buy a whole new team. Which would be fine, but pretty surprising. They need several new rotation pieces and an entire outfield, at minimum.
Quote from: Slaky on June 11, 2014, 10:06:41 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 11, 2014, 09:50:53 AM
Actually, I'd put Alcantara ahead of Almora at this point.
I'm actually at the point where if Baez and Bryant both hit - anyone else that manages to be useful at the ML level on that list is gravy. The fact is we're mostly really actually expecting two guys to be up in the next calendar year who can be monstrous major league power hitters.
That's kind of insane. You can build around those two and Rizzo whether it's through shrewd trade/FA signings (cheap vets) or prospects eventually reaching slightly above replacement level ML ability.
Plus, with Jed Hoyer admitting they plan to spend this winter and knowing how many SPs are hitting the market, especially ones with ties to Jepstink, I think...I think this is happening.
Like soon.
Yes this. If Bryant is the Ryan Braun clone that Eli promised us he'd be, and Baez or even Soler if his body doesn't melt are good, then they are on their way.
I was actually just doing some cursory research on Price vs. Lester vs. Masterson. Price is clearly preferable to Lester (better, younger, less mileage on his arm) but if the choice is between giving up Baez and Almora to get Price, or just paying a truck full of Ricketts gold doubloons to get Lester, I want Lester.
As for Masterson, I look at him as a consolation prize if they don't manage to extend Samardzija. He's the same age but has two more seasons of mileage on his arm and has had his fastball velocity drop to about 91 this year after sitting around 93 consistently for the last 5 years or so.
Quote from: R-V on June 11, 2014, 10:17:16 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 11, 2014, 10:06:41 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 11, 2014, 09:50:53 AM
Actually, I'd put Alcantara ahead of Almora at this point.
I'm actually at the point where if Baez and Bryant both hit - anyone else that manages to be useful at the ML level on that list is gravy. The fact is we're mostly really actually expecting two guys to be up in the next calendar year who can be monstrous major league power hitters.
That's kind of insane. You can build around those two and Rizzo whether it's through shrewd trade/FA signings (cheap vets) or prospects eventually reaching slightly above replacement level ML ability.
Plus, with Jed Hoyer admitting they plan to spend this winter and knowing how many SPs are hitting the market, especially ones with ties to Jepstink, I think...I think this is happening.
Like soon.
Yes this. If Bryant is the Ryan Braun clone that Eli promised us he'd be, and Baez or even Soler if his body doesn't melt are good, then they are on their way.
I was actually just doing some cursory research on Price vs. Lester vs. Masterson. Price is clearly preferable to Lester (better, younger, less mileage on his arm) but if the choice is between giving up Baez and Almora to get Price, or just paying a truck full of Ricketts gold doubloons to get Lester, I want Lester.
As for Masterson, I look at him as a consolation prize if they don't manage to extend Samardzija. He's the same age but has two more seasons of mileage on his arm and has had his fastball velocity drop to about 91 this year after sitting around 93 consistently for the last 5 years or so.
Consensus seems to be that Masterson would be a Bosio wet dream to work with.
Besides that - I trust Jepstink on their SP signings. Jackson hasn't worked out but they've been able to put together a solid rotation for at least three years in a row now. That's cool.
I worry more about the offense being more reliable. Look at a guy like Valbuena and what he's doing. You can have a couple of those - they don't all have to, nor will they be superstars. It's not really a matter of 'buying a whole new team, like Eli said. It is a little terrifying how much hinges around Baez and Bryant coming good - but it's more likely they hit than miss at this point.
Another cool result of the megarich clubs like the Dodgers is they're going to have overpaid dudes who don't have much of a role anymore. Matt Kemp is being squeezed out of the Dodgers OF and he's making 21 million a year through 2019. The dodgers might want to unload him but guess what? They'll have to eat a ton of cash to do so. I know Kemp doesn't fit in with the Cubs now - but guys like him are going to keep popping up on teams with the big TV deals and tons of cash.
I'm talking myself into this but I think things are really, really looking up.
Quote from: Eli on June 11, 2014, 10:13:23 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 11, 2014, 10:06:41 AM
I'm actually at the point where if Baez and Bryant both hit - anyone else that manages to be useful at the ML level on that list is gravy. The fact is we're mostly really actually expecting two guys to be up in the next calendar year who can be monstrous major league power hitters.
I think they'll need some minor leaguers besides Baez and Bryant to contribute, unless they plan to double payroll and just buy a whole new team. Which would be fine, but pretty surprising. They need several new rotation pieces and an entire outfield, at minimum.
Payroll this year is around $93 M. Before taking arbitration into account, they've only got $32 M committed for next year. Even if you figure that goes up to $50 M or so when you take arb raises into account for guys like Wood, Valbuena and Arrieta, that's still at least $40 M for Epstink to play with, and that's not counting the funds they "banked" when they missed out on Tanaka. They're going to have a big pile of money to work with this offseason even if you assume it doesn't jump significantly above $100 M.
Quote from: R-V on June 11, 2014, 10:41:27 AM
Payroll this year is around $93 M. Before taking arbitration into account, they've only got $32 M committed for next year. Even if you figure that goes up to $50 M or so when you take arb raises into account for guys like Wood, Valbuena and Arrieta, that's still at least $40 M for Epstink to play with, and that's not counting the funds they "banked" when they missed out on Tanaka. They're going to have a big pile of money to work with this offseason even if you assume it doesn't jump significantly above $100 M.
Most likely. Which should be fun. I think a lot of it will depend on whether they trade/extend Shark. Given the "saved" Tanaka funds and alleged new revenues coming, it'd be great to see them extend Shark, then get two of Price/Lester/Masterson/Scherzer (though he'll cost too much to be worth it, probably). Given that they'll just cost money, Lester and Masterson would be ideal. Probably a pipe dream, I realize.
Quote from: Eli on June 11, 2014, 11:00:49 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 11, 2014, 10:41:27 AM
Payroll this year is around $93 M. Before taking arbitration into account, they've only got $32 M committed for next year. Even if you figure that goes up to $50 M or so when you take arb raises into account for guys like Wood, Valbuena and Arrieta, that's still at least $40 M for Epstink to play with, and that's not counting the funds they "banked" when they missed out on Tanaka. They're going to have a big pile of money to work with this offseason even if you assume it doesn't jump significantly above $100 M.
Most likely. Which should be fun. I think a lot of it will depend on whether they trade/extend Shark. Given the "saved" Tanaka funds and alleged new revenues coming, it'd be great to see them extend Shark, then get two of Price/Lester/Masterson/Scherzer (though he'll cost too much to be worth it, probably). Given that they'll just cost money, Lester and Masterson would be ideal. Probably a pipe dream, I realize.
Some outfielders would be nice.
Quote from: Eli on June 11, 2014, 09:50:53 AM
Actually, I'd put Alcantara ahead of Almora at this point.
Alcantara is closer, but Almora has more upside.
Almora's father has been fighting prostate cancer, and I'm guessing it's been a distraction for him. So I'm not putting too much stock in him not destroying the Florida State League like he did earlier this season.
Quote from: Eli on June 11, 2014, 11:00:49 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 11, 2014, 10:41:27 AM
Payroll this year is around $93 M. Before taking arbitration into account, they've only got $32 M committed for next year. Even if you figure that goes up to $50 M or so when you take arb raises into account for guys like Wood, Valbuena and Arrieta, that's still at least $40 M for Epstink to play with, and that's not counting the funds they "banked" when they missed out on Tanaka. They're going to have a big pile of money to work with this offseason even if you assume it doesn't jump significantly above $100 M.
Most likely. Which should be fun. I think a lot of it will depend on whether they trade/extend Shark. Given the "saved" Tanaka funds and alleged new revenues coming, it'd be great to see them extend Shark, then get two of Price/Lester/Masterson/Scherzer (though he'll cost too much to be worth it, probably). Given that they'll just cost money, Lester and Masterson would be ideal. Probably a pipe dream, I realize.
Wait, wait...extend Samardzija and sign
two of those pitchers?
You can't honestly think that's even remotely possible, right?
Quote from: PenFoe on June 11, 2014, 11:42:59 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 11, 2014, 11:00:49 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 11, 2014, 10:41:27 AM
Payroll this year is around $93 M. Before taking arbitration into account, they've only got $32 M committed for next year. Even if you figure that goes up to $50 M or so when you take arb raises into account for guys like Wood, Valbuena and Arrieta, that's still at least $40 M for Epstink to play with, and that's not counting the funds they "banked" when they missed out on Tanaka. They're going to have a big pile of money to work with this offseason even if you assume it doesn't jump significantly above $100 M.
Most likely. Which should be fun. I think a lot of it will depend on whether they trade/extend Shark. Given the "saved" Tanaka funds and alleged new revenues coming, it'd be great to see them extend Shark, then get two of Price/Lester/Masterson/Scherzer (though he'll cost too much to be worth it, probably). Given that they'll just cost money, Lester and Masterson would be ideal. Probably a pipe dream, I realize.
Wait, wait...extend Samardzija and sign two of those pitchers?
You can't honestly think that's even remotely possible, right?
Of course not. I specifically wanted to make your head explode.
Quote from: Fork on June 11, 2014, 11:37:11 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 11, 2014, 09:50:53 AM
Actually, I'd put Alcantara ahead of Almora at this point.
Alcantara is closer, but Almora has more upside.
Almora's father has been fighting prostate cancer, and I'm guessing it's been a distraction for him. So I'm not putting too much stock in him not destroying the Florida State League like he did earlier this season.
I don't agree. Hasn't the whole point of Almora been his "floor" and not his "upside?"
Quote from: Eli on June 11, 2014, 11:48:14 AM
Quote from: Fork on June 11, 2014, 11:37:11 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 11, 2014, 09:50:53 AM
Actually, I'd put Alcantara ahead of Almora at this point.
Alcantara is closer, but Almora has more upside.
Almora's father has been fighting prostate cancer, and I'm guessing it's been a distraction for him. So I'm not putting too much stock in him not destroying the Florida State League like he did earlier this season.
I don't agree. Hasn't the whole point of Almora been his "floor" and not his "upside?"
His floor is quite high, but I do think he'll be a better ballplayer at the major league level than Alcantara. Not that I'm saying either will be stiffs, mind you. I just think Almora will be better.
Quote from: Fork on June 11, 2014, 11:37:11 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 11, 2014, 09:50:53 AM
Actually, I'd put Alcantara ahead of Almora at this point.
Alcantara is closer, but Almora has more upside.
Almora's father has been fighting prostate cancer, and I'm guessing it's been a distraction for him. So I'm not putting too much stock in him not destroying the Florida State League like he did earlier this season.
Did Gally tell you this?
Quote from: BH on June 11, 2014, 12:51:55 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 11, 2014, 11:37:11 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 11, 2014, 09:50:53 AM
Actually, I'd put Alcantara ahead of Almora at this point.
Alcantara is closer, but Almora has more upside.
Almora's father has been fighting prostate cancer, and I'm guessing it's been a distraction for him. So I'm not putting too much stock in him not destroying the Florida State League like he did earlier this season.
Did Gally tell you this?
It's been in the Daytona paper (http://140604007026). He took a couple days off in May to be with his father for the surgery, and he did a "Fuck Cancer" tweet.
Quote from: Fork on June 11, 2014, 01:24:17 PM
Quote from: BH on June 11, 2014, 12:51:55 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 11, 2014, 11:37:11 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 11, 2014, 09:50:53 AM
Actually, I'd put Alcantara ahead of Almora at this point.
Alcantara is closer, but Almora has more upside.
Almora's father has been fighting prostate cancer, and I'm guessing it's been a distraction for him. So I'm not putting too much stock in him not destroying the Florida State League like he did earlier this season.
Did Gally tell you this?
It's been in the Daytona paper (http://140604007026). He took a couple days off in May to be with his father for the surgery, and he did a "Fuck Cancer" tweet.
If it ain't on Rotoworld, it didn't really happen.
5th Round Pick, Justin Steele, appears to have signed.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/763/4277316627.jpg)
Bonerific.
The Lord, doing his best work here. We can all agree, I'm sure.
Revenge?
Wonder how his evangelical family will feel about Crane Kenney forcing him to accept Greek Orthojesus as his Lord.
DPD...
I guess I'd never actually seen images of Crane's dugout priest before, because... Can we be certain that this "Rev. Fr. James L. Greanias" isn't actually BC?
(http://i.imgur.com/3Yt6xgn.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/StCYKTL.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/f3o23gG.jpg)
Have you seen them in the same room together?
Do they make rooms for such events?
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 13, 2014, 09:23:38 AM
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Does he go to the same barber as Carlos Boozer?
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Quote from: PANK! on June 13, 2014, 09:14:38 AM
Revenge?
There's nothing Jesus loves more than some sweet revenge.
Schwarber, 3-4 with a homer in his first game for Boise.
For now, playing catcher. Also committed an error.
Nice to see him on the field so quickly.
http://www.thecubreporter.com/06082014/2014-cubs-extended-spring-training-final-stats
Gleybar Torres: .311/.402/.396, 5 2B, 2 3B 14 BB, 21 K, 14 Errors
Eloy Jimenez: .261/.289/.402, 5 2B, 1 3B, 2 HR, 4 BB, 23 K
Jeffrey Baez: .322/.408/.511, 3 2B, 4 3B, 2 HR, 12 BB, 15 K, 2 OF Assists
Quote from: PenFoe on June 14, 2014, 09:16:15 AM
Schwarber, 3-4 with a homer in his first game for Boise.
For now, playing catcher. Also committed an error.
Nice to see him on the field so quickly.
I wrong-threaded Schwarber's stats, but so far through 3 games he's 7-11 with two dongs. Only K'd once.
Bryant is still hitting above .350 and is drawing walks, too. Javy went yard after an awful 0-9 streak where he K'd 5 times.
Boise has started its season and the AZL Cubs will start their season this weekend. This is where a lot of young players from most recent drafts that were either injured coming out of their draft or needed extra time in extended spring training will find their professional debuts. Lots of interesting names there, like pitchers Josh Conway, Trey Masek, Ryan McNeil, Trevor Clifton, and Erick Leal; catchers Mark Malave, and of course Schwarber; OF Jeffrey Baez.
I think Torres and Jiminez might find themselves at the AZL Cubs level.
The point is we'll start hearing about some of these interesting, non-Bryant/Baez/Schwarber types real soon.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 16, 2014, 08:18:12 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 14, 2014, 09:16:15 AM
Schwarber, 3-4 with a homer in his first game for Boise.
For now, playing catcher. Also committed an error.
Nice to see him on the field so quickly.
I wrong-threaded Schwarber's stats, but so far through 3 games he's 7-11 with two dongs. Only K'd once.
Bryant is still hitting above .350 and is drawing walks, too. Javy went yard after an awful 0-9 streak where he K'd 5 times.
Boise has started its season and the AZL Cubs will start their season this weekend. This is where a lot of young players from most recent drafts that were either injured coming out of their draft or needed extra time in extended spring training will find their professional debuts. Lots of interesting names there, like pitchers Josh Conway, Trey Masek, Ryan McNeil, Trevor Clifton, and Erick Leal; catchers Mark Malave, and of course Schwarber; OF Jeffrey Baez.
I think Torres and Jiminez might find themselves at the AZL Cubs level.
The point is we'll start hearing about some of these interesting, non-Bryant/Baez/Schwarber types real soon.
I do believe Torres and Jimenez are going to the DSL
Quote from: Yeti on June 16, 2014, 08:36:38 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 16, 2014, 08:18:12 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 14, 2014, 09:16:15 AM
Schwarber, 3-4 with a homer in his first game for Boise.
For now, playing catcher. Also committed an error.
Nice to see him on the field so quickly.
I wrong-threaded Schwarber's stats, but so far through 3 games he's 7-11 with two dongs. Only K'd once.
Bryant is still hitting above .350 and is drawing walks, too. Javy went yard after an awful 0-9 streak where he K'd 5 times.
Boise has started its season and the AZL Cubs will start their season this weekend. This is where a lot of young players from most recent drafts that were either injured coming out of their draft or needed extra time in extended spring training will find their professional debuts. Lots of interesting names there, like pitchers Josh Conway, Trey Masek, Ryan McNeil, Trevor Clifton, and Erick Leal; catchers Mark Malave, and of course Schwarber; OF Jeffrey Baez.
I think Torres and Jiminez might find themselves at the AZL Cubs level.
The point is we'll start hearing about some of these interesting, non-Bryant/Baez/Schwarber types real soon.
I do believe Torres and Jimenez are going to the DSL
I read on BN that "perhaps" they'll go to the AZL, which is the lowest official affiliation to MLB in the US.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 16, 2014, 08:18:12 AM
Javy went yard after an awful 0-9 0-21 streak where he K'd 5 9 times.
Further back'd.
When can we start getting excited about Eric Jokisch for real? Kyle Hendricks has been getting all the buzz as far as Iowa pitchers go, but Jokisch's numbers are comparable.
Quote from: Fork on June 16, 2014, 03:15:00 PM
When can we start getting excited about Eric Jokisch for real? Kyle Hendricks has been getting all the buzz as far as Iowa pitchers go, but Jokisch's numbers are comparable.
When gets to the Major Leagues and produces something like the season Jake Arrieta's having.
Quote from: InternetApex on June 16, 2014, 03:30:36 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 16, 2014, 03:15:00 PM
When can we start getting excited about Eric Jokisch for real? Kyle Hendricks has been getting all the buzz as far as Iowa pitchers go, but Jokisch's numbers are comparable.
When gets to the Major Leagues and produces something like the season Jake Arrieta's having.
Are we allowed to be excited about Arrieta yet? Seems like it could be a fluke. I think we should probably just not be excited about anything. That seems safe.
Quote from: SKO on June 16, 2014, 03:48:59 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 16, 2014, 03:30:36 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 16, 2014, 03:15:00 PM
When can we start getting excited about Eric Jokisch for real? Kyle Hendricks has been getting all the buzz as far as Iowa pitchers go, but Jokisch's numbers are comparable.
When gets to the Major Leagues and produces something like the season Jake Arrieta's having.
Are we allowed to be excited about Arrieta yet? Seems like it could be a fluke. I think we should probably just not be excited about anything. That seems safe.
I won't say I'm excited like I expect him to be awesome forever. But I've read some stuff about things that I probably don't understand that say he's doing things, like getting a lot of ground balls and throwing strikes, that could mean he's actually learning to pitch instead of throw baseballs real hard.
That leaves me encouraged at the very least.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 16, 2014, 04:01:21 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 16, 2014, 03:48:59 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 16, 2014, 03:30:36 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 16, 2014, 03:15:00 PM
When can we start getting excited about Eric Jokisch for real? Kyle Hendricks has been getting all the buzz as far as Iowa pitchers go, but Jokisch's numbers are comparable.
When gets to the Major Leagues and produces something like the season Jake Arrieta's having.
Are we allowed to be excited about Arrieta yet? Seems like it could be a fluke. I think we should probably just not be excited about anything. That seems safe.
I won't say I'm excited like I expect him to be awesome forever. But I've read some stuff about things that I probably don't understand that say he's doing things, like getting a lot of ground balls and throwing strikes, that could mean he's actually learning to pitch instead of throw baseballs real hard.
That leaves me encouraged at the very least.
He also throws baseballs real hard, which is awesome too.
Quote from: Fork on June 16, 2014, 03:15:00 PM
When can we start getting excited about Eric Jokisch for real? Kyle Hendricks has been getting all the buzz as far as Iowa pitchers go, but Jokisch's numbers are comparable.
It's about time, guys.
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He's my pitching Jayson Werth
Kyle Schwarber played left field last night and had two hits, one being a triple.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 17, 2014, 07:46:09 AM
Kyle Schwarber played left field last night and had two hits, one being a triple.
So, Schwarber in left. Almora in center. Bryant... stays at third. Soler... goes to right? Getting crowded.
Nice.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 17, 2014, 08:28:36 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 17, 2014, 07:46:09 AM
Kyle Schwarber played left field last night and had two hits, one being a triple.
So, Schwarber in left. Almora in center. Bryant... stays at third. Soler... goes to right? Getting crowded.
Nice.
I'm getting a bit concerned that Soler can't stay healthy. That blows.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 17, 2014, 08:30:25 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 17, 2014, 08:28:36 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 17, 2014, 07:46:09 AM
Kyle Schwarber played left field last night and had two hits, one being a triple.
So, Schwarber in left. Almora in center. Bryant... stays at third. Soler... goes to right? Getting crowded.
Nice.
I'm getting a bit concerned that Soler can't stay healthy. That blows.
Also that Almora is hitting at a sub-Barney level right now. As Eli's said before we might want to hitch more of our hopes to Alcantara than Almora at this point.
Quote from: SKO on June 17, 2014, 08:34:27 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 17, 2014, 08:30:25 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 17, 2014, 08:28:36 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 17, 2014, 07:46:09 AM
Kyle Schwarber played left field last night and had two hits, one being a triple.
So, Schwarber in left. Almora in center. Bryant... stays at third. Soler... goes to right? Getting crowded.
Nice.
I'm getting a bit concerned that Soler can't stay healthy. That blows.
Also that Almora is hitting at a sub-Barney level right now. As Eli's said before we might want to hitch more of our hopes to Alcantara than Almora at this point.
Alcantara is ahead of him in development anyway. He was going to reach MLB before Almora. This could be a blessing in disguise for Almora's development in that there could be no accelerated plan.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 17, 2014, 08:36:02 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 17, 2014, 08:34:27 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 17, 2014, 08:30:25 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 17, 2014, 08:28:36 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 17, 2014, 07:46:09 AM
Kyle Schwarber played left field last night and had two hits, one being a triple.
So, Schwarber in left. Almora in center. Bryant... stays at third. Soler... goes to right? Getting crowded.
Nice.
I'm getting a bit concerned that Soler can't stay healthy. That blows.
Also that Almora is hitting at a sub-Barney level right now. As Eli's said before we might want to hitch more of our hopes to Alcantara than Almora at this point.
Alcantara is ahead of him in development anyway. He was going to reach MLB before Almora. This could be a blessing in disguise for Almora's development in that there could be no accelerated plan.
Great point, it's a benefit for all the cubs prospects that we might have multiple options at each position. Almora is only 20 as well, he has lots of time to figure things out.
Quote from: BH on June 17, 2014, 08:37:59 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 17, 2014, 08:36:02 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 17, 2014, 08:34:27 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 17, 2014, 08:30:25 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 17, 2014, 08:28:36 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 17, 2014, 07:46:09 AM
Kyle Schwarber played left field last night and had two hits, one being a triple.
So, Schwarber in left. Almora in center. Bryant... stays at third. Soler... goes to right? Getting crowded.
Nice.
I'm getting a bit concerned that Soler can't stay healthy. That blows.
Also that Almora is hitting at a sub-Barney level right now. As Eli's said before we might want to hitch more of our hopes to Alcantara than Almora at this point.
Alcantara is ahead of him in development anyway. He was going to reach MLB before Almora. This could be a blessing in disguise for Almora's development in that there could be no accelerated plan.
Great point, it's a benefit for all the cubs prospects that we might have multiple options at each position. Almora is only 20 as well, he has lots of time to figure things out.
His last 10 games have been so bad that there's no adjective to describe it.
Quote from: SKO on June 17, 2014, 08:34:27 AM
As Eli's said before we might want to hitch more of our hopes to Alcantara than Almora at this point.
I really like Alcantara's versatility. He's played SS, 2B, 3B and some outfield, too. The plate discipline has regressed a bit this year, but he's two levels above Almora and still just 22. I think it's reasonable to be more excited about him at this point. Almora isn't even drastically young for his level and is completely bombing, which is a bummer.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 17, 2014, 08:28:36 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 17, 2014, 07:46:09 AM
Kyle Schwarber played left field last night and had two hits, one being a triple.
So, Schwarber in left. Almora in center. Bryant... stays at third. Soler... goes to right? Getting crowded.
Nice.
Pretty sure Soler has been playing right when he's not adding depth to the DL.
Quote from: Eli on June 17, 2014, 08:52:15 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 17, 2014, 08:34:27 AM
As Eli's said before we might want to hitch more of our hopes to Alcantara than Almora at this point.
I really like Alcantara's versatility. He's played SS, 2B, 3B and some outfield, too. The plate discipline has regressed a bit this year, but he's two levels above Almora and still just 22. I think it's reasonable to be more excited about him at this point. Almora isn't even drastically young for his level and is completely bombing, which is a bummer.
Bombing? I wouldn't go that far. He's struggling yes. But even counting this season's .241/.262/.320/.581, he's a career .294/.323/.410/.733 pro. That's in 154 games, and so far this season he's played in 60. He's 2.7 years younger than the average player at his level, so there is plenty of room and time for him to get back on track.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 17, 2014, 08:41:52 AM
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Kyle Schwarber played left field last night and had two hits, one being a triple.
So, Schwarber in left. Almora in center. Bryant... stays at third. Soler... goes to right? Getting crowded.
Nice.
I'm getting a bit concerned that Soler can't stay healthy. That blows.
Also that Almora is hitting at a sub-Barney level right now. As Eli's said before we might want to hitch more of our hopes to Alcantara than Almora at this point.
Alcantara is ahead of him in development anyway. He was going to reach MLB before Almora. This could be a blessing in disguise for Almora's development in that there could be no accelerated plan.
Great point, it's a benefit for all the cubs prospects that we might have multiple options at each position. Almora is only 20 as well, he has lots of time to figure things out.
His last 10 games have been so bad that there's no adjective to describe it.
How about "bad"?
7 for 41, 1 BB, 6 K, 6 R, 5 RBI, .171/.186/.171/.357
That's definitely not good, but let's not pretend this is some sort of unprecedentedly awful cold streak for which the English language has no words.
Not every prospect is going to Kris Bryant their way through the minors, either.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 17, 2014, 09:04:35 AM
Bombing? I wouldn't go that far. He's struggling yes. But even counting this season's .241/.262/.320/.581, he's a career .294/.323/.410/.733 pro. That's in 154 games, and so far this season he's played in 60. He's 2.7 years younger than the average player at his level, so there is plenty of room and time for him to get back on track.
Choose your own word, but I'm going to use "bombing" (to this point) for a .581 OPS from a No. 6 pick in his third year of pro baseball.
Quote from: Eli on June 17, 2014, 09:16:41 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 17, 2014, 09:04:35 AM
Bombing? I wouldn't go that far. He's struggling yes. But even counting this season's .241/.262/.320/.581, he's a career .294/.323/.410/.733 pro. That's in 154 games, and so far this season he's played in 60. He's 2.7 years younger than the average player at his level, so there is plenty of room and time for him to get back on track.
Choose your own word, but I'm going to use "bombing" (to this point) for a .581 OPS from a No. 6 pick in his third year of pro baseball.
Even If his Dad has a decidedly not funny kind of cancer.
Quote from: SKO on June 17, 2014, 09:18:23 AM
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Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 17, 2014, 09:04:35 AM
Bombing? I wouldn't go that far. He's struggling yes. But even counting this season's .241/.262/.320/.581, he's a career .294/.323/.410/.733 pro. That's in 154 games, and so far this season he's played in 60. He's 2.7 years younger than the average player at his level, so there is plenty of room and time for him to get back on track.
Choose your own word, but I'm going to use "bombing" (to this point) for a .581 OPS from a No. 6 pick in his third year of pro baseball.
Even If his Dad has a decidedly not funny kind of cancer.
Hard to say. It's pointless to speculate either way that it hasn't affected him or that it excuses his entire performance. It's likely somewhere in between.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 17, 2014, 09:11:27 AM
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Kyle Schwarber played left field last night and had two hits, one being a triple.
So, Schwarber in left. Almora in center. Bryant... stays at third. Soler... goes to right? Getting crowded.
Nice.
I'm getting a bit concerned that Soler can't stay healthy. That blows.
Also that Almora is hitting at a sub-Barney level right now. As Eli's said before we might want to hitch more of our hopes to Alcantara than Almora at this point.
Alcantara is ahead of him in development anyway. He was going to reach MLB before Almora. This could be a blessing in disguise for Almora's development in that there could be no accelerated plan.
Great point, it's a benefit for all the cubs prospects that we might have multiple options at each position. Almora is only 20 as well, he has lots of time to figure things out.
His last 10 games have been so bad that there's no adjective to describe it.
How about "bad"?
7 for 41, 1 BB, 6 K, 6 R, 5 RBI, .171/.186/.171/.357
That's definitely not good, but let's not pretend this is some sort of unprecedentedly awful cold streak for which the English language has no words.
A) Bad isn't strong enough. B) Awful, awful is reserved.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 17, 2014, 09:59:36 AM
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 17, 2014, 08:28:36 AM
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Kyle Schwarber played left field last night and had two hits, one being a triple.
So, Schwarber in left. Almora in center. Bryant... stays at third. Soler... goes to right? Getting crowded.
Nice.
I'm getting a bit concerned that Soler can't stay healthy. That blows.
Also that Almora is hitting at a sub-Barney level right now. As Eli's said before we might want to hitch more of our hopes to Alcantara than Almora at this point.
Alcantara is ahead of him in development anyway. He was going to reach MLB before Almora. This could be a blessing in disguise for Almora's development in that there could be no accelerated plan.
Great point, it's a benefit for all the cubs prospects that we might have multiple options at each position. Almora is only 20 as well, he has lots of time to figure things out.
His last 10 games have been so bad that there's no adjective to describe it.
How about "bad"?
7 for 41, 1 BB, 6 K, 6 R, 5 RBI, .171/.186/.171/.357
That's definitely not good, but let's not pretend this is some sort of unprecedentedly awful cold streak for which the English language has no words.
A) Bad isn't strong enough. B) Awful, awful is reserved.
Shitty. Let's move on.
Re: Alcantara he's on the 40 man. So that's good. We'll see him this year.
ICYMI: Cubs signed Carson Sands and Justin Steele yesterday, the 4th and 5th round picks.
Both way overslot, a million each.
Still waiting on Dylan Cease, should be another million.
Need some underslot love from Stinnett (2nd round pick) to bring this together, but looking great so far.
Speaking of looking great, (for the non SBoxers) Carson Sands' girlfriend - Delaney Barnard.
(http://i.imgur.com/1u0wNgR.jpg)
God bless America.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 17, 2014, 01:38:57 PM
ICYMI: Cubs signed Carson Sands and Justin Steele yesterday, the 4th and 5th round picks.
Both way overslot, a million each.
Still waiting on Dylan Cease, should be another million.
Need some underslot love from Stinnett (2nd round pick) to bring this together, but looking great so far.
Speaking of looking great, (for the non SBoxers) Carson Sands' girlfriend - Delaney Barnard.
(http://i.imgur.com/1u0wNgR.jpg)
She seems to have both an arm and a leg growing out of her sleeve.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 17, 2014, 01:38:57 PM
ICYMI: Cubs signed Carson Sands and Justin Steele yesterday, the 4th and 5th round picks.
Both way overslot, a million each.
Still waiting on Dylan Cease, should be another million.
Need some underslot love from Stinnett (2nd round pick) to bring this together, but looking great so far.
Speaking of looking great, (for the non SBoxers) Carson Sands' girlfriend - Delaney Barnard.
(http://i.imgur.com/1u0wNgR.jpg)
I'll give her underslot some love.
Arodys Vizcaino and Armando Rivero also promoted to AAA.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 18, 2014, 03:36:27 PM
Arodys Vizcaino and Armando Rivero also promoted to AAA.
Bizarre to think the Arodys is still on 23, considering the Cubs got him 2 years ago and he was already "that guy who's always hurt*" then.
He's gonna be awesome - super excited for him.
*Or maybe it was just "That guy who has TJ Disease," but I seem to recall some legacy of injuries
Quote from: PenFoe on June 18, 2014, 04:25:12 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 18, 2014, 03:36:27 PM
Arodys Vizcaino and Armando Rivero also promoted to AAA.
Bizarre to think the Arodys is still on 23, considering the Cubs got him 2 years ago and he was already "that guy who's always hurt*" then.
He's gonna be awesome - super excited for him.
*Or maybe it was just "That guy who has TJ Disease," but I seem to recall some legacy of injuries
It was the Paul Maholm deal, I think. And I think he was recovering from TJS when he was traded. Then he had a second surgery last season and finally pitched in spring training. He has a sub 2.00 ERA and a nice K/BB in 22.2 IP so far at AA.
Stinnett and Norwood both signed.
Remaining from the top 10:
6. Dylan Cease - going to require $1 million, likely.
8. Tommy Thorpe
9. James Farris
10. Ryan Williams
8-10 are all college pitchers, 2 seniors and a junior, so hopefully they'll save some $ there for Cease, along with whatever they saved on Stinnett.
Edited to Include:Quote from: Cubs Den
Cubs officially sign 2nd rd pick Jake Stinnett for $1M. $250.4K under slot. Quick calculation: $587K under overall.
I don't know what the exact slot is for Cease (6.3), but the Rockies 6th round pick (6.8) had a slot of $259,200. Assuming Cease is right in that range, we're looking at basically needing all the remaining underslot (not including future underslot from picks 8-10) to sign Cease.
2nd Edit: BN Brett says that Cease's slot is $269,500.
Yasmani Tomas defects from Cuba. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/power-hitting-yasmani-tomas-leaves-cuba/)
23-year old power hitting outfield, exempt from international bonus pools (of which the Cubs have dick this year because of overspending last year.)
Seems like a good target, 30.3 BMI aside.
On Fathers' Day we had dinner at a restaurant with 2 of our offspring and their families. One of my sons decided that it was his duty to make conversation with the old man and asked me what was going on with the Cubs. I launched into a defensive rant about the slop that was on the field and then started talking about the "Core Four" and the pitching prospects. I stopped when everyone's eyes started to glaze, which wasn't even 20 seconds into my description of the glorious future. I then realized that I was a certifiable Kool-Aid drinker.
Quote from: CBStew on June 20, 2014, 04:09:46 PM
On Fathers' Day we had dinner at a restaurant with 2 of our offspring and their families. One of my sons decided that it was his duty to make conversation with the old man and asked me what was going on with the Cubs. I launched into a defensive rant about the slop that was on the field and then started talking about the "Core Four" and the pitching prospects. I stopped when everyone's eyes started to glaze, which wasn't even 20 seconds into my description of the glorious future. I then realized that I was a certifiable Kool-Aid drinker.
I'm proud of you, man.
Quote from: InternetApex on June 20, 2014, 04:22:20 PM
Quote from: CBStew on June 20, 2014, 04:09:46 PM
On Fathers' Day we had dinner at a restaurant with 2 of our offspring and their families. One of my sons decided that it was his duty to make conversation with the old man and asked me what was going on with the Cubs. I launched into a defensive rant about the slop that was on the field and then started talking about the "Core Four" and the pitching prospects. I stopped when everyone's eyes started to glaze, which wasn't even 20 seconds into my description of the glorious future. I then realized that I was a certifiable Kool-Aid drinker.
I'm proud of you, man.
I feel like Stew should have put this in the "I Admit It" thread, but regardless, this is certifiable progress.
Or, just another chapter in a lifetime of Stew tolerating bullshit from the baseball team that has crushed his dreams.
Jorge Soler is back playing baseball and had a 3 hit day with 2 doubles. Stay healthy, Jorge. I keep forgetting you exist.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 23, 2014, 08:18:25 AM
Jorge Soler is back playing baseball and had a 3 hit day with 2 doubles. Stay healthy, Jorge. I keep forgetting you exist.
Are there two Jorge Solers?
Because the one I saw went 1-3 yesterday. (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2014_06_22_cubrok_diarok_1)
Though worth noting that Gleybar Torres had a nice day: 3-6, homer, triple, 4 RBIs and 2 steals.
Edit: I see Soler went 3-5 on Saturday (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2014_06_21_diarok_cubrok_1&t=g_box&sid=milb) with 2 doubles.
So, 2 games in a row without getting hurt!
Quote from: PenFoe on June 23, 2014, 10:43:09 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 23, 2014, 08:18:25 AM
Jorge Soler is back playing baseball and had a 3 hit day with 2 doubles. Stay healthy, Jorge. I keep forgetting you exist.
Are there two Jorge Solers?
Because the one I saw went 1-3 yesterday. (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2014_06_22_cubrok_diarok_1)
Though worth noting that Gleybar Torres had a nice day: 3-6, homer, triple, 4 RBIs and 2 steals.
Edit: I see Soler went 3-5 on Saturday (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2014_06_21_diarok_cubrok_1&t=g_box&sid=milb) with 2 doubles.
So, 2 games in a row without getting hurt!
In the rehab league for losers, right?
I think I read they're going to be extra careful with him going forward.
So anybody interested in spending Sunday 7/27 watching SKOwarber & the Cougars? I'm going anyway, but will be happy to do a group thing, either in the picnic area or just getting a block of seats.
No info on where the nearest Cheesecake Factory is.
Quote from: Fork on June 23, 2014, 11:22:03 AM
So anybody interested in spending Sunday 7/27 watching SKOwarber & the Cougars? I'm going anyway, but will be happy to do a group thing, either in the picnic area or just getting a block of seats.
No info on where the nearest Cheesecake Factory is.
Same thing for Iowa, Friday 8/22 and/or Saturday 8/23 at Reno. Closest they're coming to California. Offer not valid if Baez and Bryant are bashing baseballs in the bigs by then.
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Suk-Min Yoon, Korean for Bonertime. (http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=baseball&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=380&article_id=0000000459)
(http://dy.snimg.com/story-image/0/0/195912/195912-310-253.jpg)
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"걱정하지 마라. 윤석민은 메이저리그 진출을 눈앞에 두고 있다. 이번 주말이나 다음 주 초가 되면 오랫동안 기다리던 계약 발표를 할 수 있을 것이다."
윤석민의 메이저리그행을 돕고 있는 에이전트 보라스 코퍼레이션의 한 관계자는 28일 기자와의 전화통화에서 윤석민의 메이저리그 진출을 장담했고, 계약과 관련해 곧 발표를 하게 될 것이라고 밝혔다.
Quote from: Rotoworld Translation
Naver Sports in Korea reports that right-hander Suk-Min Yoon is in negotiations with two major league teams and could sign with one of them soon.
The 27-year-old has received four offers but has narrowed the field to two. It's not clear which two clubs they are, but the Cubs, Twins and Red Sox have all been connected to Yoon. The right-hander could potentially be used as a back-end starter or reliever in the big leagues.
YOU SUK
SUK IT!!!
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-gSJm7q_GARk/T2FqH8LFUgI/AAAAAAAADAc/6gWNRImZJFM/s1600/suk.jpg)
Heartbreak avoided.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/774/1503522582.png)
By the way, I don't know whether this has been discussed already, but Arismen D. Alcantara is batting...
.290/.336/.518/.854 at Iowa, with 8HR, 19 2B and 10 (!) 3B in 276 AB. Not too shabby. He also has 18 SB and only 3 CS.
Nice choice, Jim.
Quote from: Tonker on June 26, 2014, 08:29:03 AM
By the way, I don't know whether this has been discussed already, but Arismen D. Alcantara is batting...
.290/.336/.518/.854 at Iowa, with 8HR, 19 2B and 10 (!) 3B in 276 AB. Not too shabby. He also has 18 SB and only 3 CS.
Nice choice, Jim.
He's also just 22. I think he's pretty solidly the No. 3 prospect in the organization and I wouldn't point and laugh at anyone who had him ahead of Baez. Really excited about him.
Quote from: Eli on June 26, 2014, 08:54:40 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 26, 2014, 08:29:03 AM
By the way, I don't know whether this has been discussed already, but Arismen D. Alcantara is batting...
.290/.336/.518/.854 at Iowa, with 8HR, 19 2B and 10 (!) 3B in 276 AB. Not too shabby. He also has 18 SB and only 3 CS.
Nice choice, Jim.
He's also just 22. I think he's pretty solidly the No. 3 prospect in the organization and I wouldn't point and laugh at anyone who had him ahead of Baez. Really excited about him.
Sadsack Eli hates Javier Baez. Shocking.
Quote from: SKO on June 26, 2014, 08:59:45 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 26, 2014, 08:54:40 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 26, 2014, 08:29:03 AM
By the way, I don't know whether this has been discussed already, but Arismen D. Alcantara is batting...
.290/.336/.518/.854 at Iowa, with 8HR, 19 2B and 10 (!) 3B in 276 AB. Not too shabby. He also has 18 SB and only 3 CS.
Nice choice, Jim.
He's also just 22. I think he's pretty solidly the No. 3 prospect in the organization and I wouldn't point and laugh at anyone who had him ahead of Baez. Really excited about him.
Sadsack Eli hates Javier Baez. Shocking.
Not what I said.
Quote from: Eli on June 26, 2014, 09:03:29 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 26, 2014, 08:59:45 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 26, 2014, 08:54:40 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 26, 2014, 08:29:03 AM
By the way, I don't know whether this has been discussed already, but Arismen D. Alcantara is batting...
.290/.336/.518/.854 at Iowa, with 8HR, 19 2B and 10 (!) 3B in 276 AB. Not too shabby. He also has 18 SB and only 3 CS.
Nice choice, Jim.
He's also just 22. I think he's pretty solidly the No. 3 prospect in the organization and I wouldn't point and laugh at anyone who had him ahead of Baez. Really excited about him.
Sadsack Eli hates Javier Baez. Shocking.
Not what I said.
But wasn't it, really?
But really Arismendy looks good, even if Eli has already written him off.
Quote from: Eli on June 26, 2014, 08:54:40 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 26, 2014, 08:29:03 AM
By the way, I don't know whether this has been discussed already, but Arismen D. Alcantara is batting...
.290/.336/.518/.854 at Iowa, with 8HR, 19 2B and 10 (!) 3B in 276 AB. Not too shabby. He also has 18 SB and only 3 CS.
Nice choice, Jim.
He's also just 22. I think he's pretty solidly the No. 3 prospect in the organization and I wouldn't point and laugh at anyone who had him ahead of Baez. Really excited about him.
And guess what else? He's on the 40 man.
Quote from: SKO on June 26, 2014, 09:12:07 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 26, 2014, 09:03:29 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 26, 2014, 08:59:45 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 26, 2014, 08:54:40 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 26, 2014, 08:29:03 AM
By the way, I don't know whether this has been discussed already, but Arismen D. Alcantara is batting...
.290/.336/.518/.854 at Iowa, with 8HR, 19 2B and 10 (!) 3B in 276 AB. Not too shabby. He also has 18 SB and only 3 CS.
Nice choice, Jim.
He's also just 22. I think he's pretty solidly the No. 3 prospect in the organization and I wouldn't point and laugh at anyone who had him ahead of Baez. Really excited about him.
Sadsack Eli hates Javier Baez. Shocking.
Not what I said.
But wasn't it, really?
This is boring.
Quote from: Eli on June 26, 2014, 08:54:40 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 26, 2014, 08:29:03 AM
By the way, I don't know whether this has been discussed already, but Arismen D. Alcantara is batting...
.290/.336/.518/.854 at Iowa, with 8HR, 19 2B and 10 (!) 3B in 276 AB. Not too shabby. He also has 18 SB and only 3 CS.
Nice choice, Jim.
He's also just 22. I think he's pretty solidly the No. 3 prospect in the organization and I wouldn't point and laugh at anyone who had him ahead of Baez. Really excited about him.
I'm on board with you, brah. *fistbump*
When looking at this year at AAA, it's easy to feel better about Alcantara. Even though Baez has stopped the miserableness of earlier in the season, his June slash is .241/.295/.443 with a BABIP of .306. Granted that's much better than the .151/.248/.280 with a BABIP of .212, but Javier hasn't completely turned that corner that you expect from a top 5 prospect. Meanwhile we have Arismendy doing very good things in Iowa.
TL;DR: I wouldn't laugh either, Eli
Quote from: Slaky on June 26, 2014, 09:23:49 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 26, 2014, 08:54:40 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 26, 2014, 08:29:03 AM
By the way, I don't know whether this has been discussed already, but Arismen D. Alcantara is batting...
.290/.336/.518/.854 at Iowa, with 8HR, 19 2B and 10 (!) 3B in 276 AB. Not too shabby. He also has 18 SB and only 3 CS.
Nice choice, Jim.
He's also just 22. I think he's pretty solidly the No. 3 prospect in the organization and I wouldn't point and laugh at anyone who had him ahead of Baez. Really excited about him.
And guess what else? He's on the 40 man.
But does it really make sense to bring him up before Baez and Bryant? If those two are waiting till April and Arismendy might end being as much of your core as those guys why not wait and control them all for the same length of time?
Quote from: SKO on June 26, 2014, 09:37:11 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 26, 2014, 09:23:49 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 26, 2014, 08:54:40 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 26, 2014, 08:29:03 AM
By the way, I don't know whether this has been discussed already, but Arismen D. Alcantara is batting...
.290/.336/.518/.854 at Iowa, with 8HR, 19 2B and 10 (!) 3B in 276 AB. Not too shabby. He also has 18 SB and only 3 CS.
Nice choice, Jim.
He's also just 22. I think he's pretty solidly the No. 3 prospect in the organization and I wouldn't point and laugh at anyone who had him ahead of Baez. Really excited about him.
And guess what else? He's on the 40 man.
But does it really make sense to bring him up before Baez and Bryant? If those two are waiting till April and Arismendy might end being as much of your core as those guys why not wait and control them all for the same length of time?
They might consider his upside to be a guy you don't have to fret about locking up so desperately. Granted, whatever you signed him to could wait but the decision might not weigh heavily if he's like 6 years and $36 million of flippable chubworthiness.
Quote from: SKO on June 26, 2014, 09:37:11 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 26, 2014, 09:23:49 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 26, 2014, 08:54:40 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 26, 2014, 08:29:03 AM
By the way, I don't know whether this has been discussed already, but Arismen D. Alcantara is batting...
.290/.336/.518/.854 at Iowa, with 8HR, 19 2B and 10 (!) 3B in 276 AB. Not too shabby. He also has 18 SB and only 3 CS.
Nice choice, Jim.
He's also just 22. I think he's pretty solidly the No. 3 prospect in the organization and I wouldn't point and laugh at anyone who had him ahead of Baez. Really excited about him.
And guess what else? He's on the 40 man.
But does it really make sense to bring him up before Baez and Bryant? If those two are waiting till April and Arismendy might end being as much of your core as those guys why not wait and control them all for the same length of time?
I know these things are a hot topic but I've decided not to care. The whole super 2/clock bullshit was probably meant with good intentions but it's royally fucking up my enjoyment of the sport. Young, exciting players are held back to save money. And I don't disagree with holding them back for more time of cost control. That's just how it is.
But it sucks. So whenever he or the other dudes are called up I will be happy. Other than that I'm not even going to think about that shit anymore.
Quote from: Slaky on June 26, 2014, 09:47:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 26, 2014, 09:37:11 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 26, 2014, 09:23:49 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 26, 2014, 08:54:40 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 26, 2014, 08:29:03 AM
By the way, I don't know whether this has been discussed already, but Arismen D. Alcantara is batting...
.290/.336/.518/.854 at Iowa, with 8HR, 19 2B and 10 (!) 3B in 276 AB. Not too shabby. He also has 18 SB and only 3 CS.
Nice choice, Jim.
He's also just 22. I think he's pretty solidly the No. 3 prospect in the organization and I wouldn't point and laugh at anyone who had him ahead of Baez. Really excited about him.
And guess what else? He's on the 40 man.
But does it really make sense to bring him up before Baez and Bryant? If those two are waiting till April and Arismendy might end being as much of your core as those guys why not wait and control them all for the same length of time?
I know these things are a hot topic but I've decided not to care. The whole super 2/clock bullshit was probably meant with good intentions but it's royally fucking up my enjoyment of the sport. Young, exciting players are held back to save money. And I don't disagree with holding them back for more time of cost control. That's just how it is.
But it sucks. So whenever he or the other dudes are called up I will be happy. Other than that I'm not even going to think about that shit anymore.
True, but the Cubs had best do all they can to maintain control as long as possible because Chuck told me they apparently won't have the money to re-sign Kris Bryant.
Quote from: Slaky on June 26, 2014, 09:47:34 AM
I know these things are a hot topic but I've decided not to care. The whole super 2/clock bullshit was probably meant with good intentions but it's royally fucking up my enjoyment of the sport. Young, exciting players are held back to save money. And I don't disagree with holding them back for more time of cost control. That's just how it is.
But it sucks. So whenever he or the other dudes are called up I will be happy. Other than that I'm not even going to think about that shit anymore.
This. And Bryant is probably going to get signed to an early extension that buys out some of his arb/FA years anyway, so it's even less of a concern.
Quote from: SKO on June 26, 2014, 09:48:48 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 26, 2014, 09:47:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 26, 2014, 09:37:11 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 26, 2014, 09:23:49 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 26, 2014, 08:54:40 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 26, 2014, 08:29:03 AM
By the way, I don't know whether this has been discussed already, but Arismen D. Alcantara is batting...
.290/.336/.518/.854 at Iowa, with 8HR, 19 2B and 10 (!) 3B in 276 AB. Not too shabby. He also has 18 SB and only 3 CS.
Nice choice, Jim.
He's also just 22. I think he's pretty solidly the No. 3 prospect in the organization and I wouldn't point and laugh at anyone who had him ahead of Baez. Really excited about him.
And guess what else? He's on the 40 man.
But does it really make sense to bring him up before Baez and Bryant? If those two are waiting till April and Arismendy might end being as much of your core as those guys why not wait and control them all for the same length of time?
I know these things are a hot topic but I've decided not to care. The whole super 2/clock bullshit was probably meant with good intentions but it's royally fucking up my enjoyment of the sport. Young, exciting players are held back to save money. And I don't disagree with holding them back for more time of cost control. That's just how it is.
But it sucks. So whenever he or the other dudes are called up I will be happy. Other than that I'm not even going to think about that shit anymore.
True, but the Cubs had best do all they can to maintain control as long as possible because Chuck told me they apparently won't have the money to re-sign Kris Bryant.
Didn't say that. Just said Boras clients tend to not sign extensions covering free agency years.
And to Slaky, the issue with promoting most of the players isn't cost, it's years of control. By waiting to promote these guys until next May, they are under team control for essentially 7 seasons instead of 6. Extends your window to win.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 26, 2014, 09:56:37 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 26, 2014, 09:48:48 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 26, 2014, 09:47:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 26, 2014, 09:37:11 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 26, 2014, 09:23:49 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 26, 2014, 08:54:40 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 26, 2014, 08:29:03 AM
By the way, I don't know whether this has been discussed already, but Arismen D. Alcantara is batting...
.290/.336/.518/.854 at Iowa, with 8HR, 19 2B and 10 (!) 3B in 276 AB. Not too shabby. He also has 18 SB and only 3 CS.
Nice choice, Jim.
He's also just 22. I think he's pretty solidly the No. 3 prospect in the organization and I wouldn't point and laugh at anyone who had him ahead of Baez. Really excited about him.
And guess what else? He's on the 40 man.
But does it really make sense to bring him up before Baez and Bryant? If those two are waiting till April and Arismendy might end being as much of your core as those guys why not wait and control them all for the same length of time?
I know these things are a hot topic but I've decided not to care. The whole super 2/clock bullshit was probably meant with good intentions but it's royally fucking up my enjoyment of the sport. Young, exciting players are held back to save money. And I don't disagree with holding them back for more time of cost control. That's just how it is.
But it sucks. So whenever he or the other dudes are called up I will be happy. Other than that I'm not even going to think about that shit anymore.
True, but the Cubs had best do all they can to maintain control as long as possible because Chuck told me they apparently won't have the money to re-sign Kris Bryant.
Didn't say that. Just said Boras clients tend to not sign extensions covering free agency years.
And to Slaky, the issue with promoting most of the players isn't cost, it's years of control. By waiting to promote these guys until next May, they are under team control for essentially 7 seasons instead of 6. Extends your window to win.
Right, you just said that if they promote him now there was a "high probability" he's gone in 2020. Which would seem strange to me that a major market team would be less likely than not to re-sign a potential home grown star.
What's the high probability of Bryant leaving in comparison to the increasing likelihood of a Castro trade?
Quote from: Slaky on June 26, 2014, 09:47:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 26, 2014, 09:37:11 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 26, 2014, 09:23:49 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 26, 2014, 08:54:40 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 26, 2014, 08:29:03 AM
By the way, I don't know whether this has been discussed already, but Arismen D. Alcantara is batting...
.290/.336/.518/.854 at Iowa, with 8HR, 19 2B and 10 (!) 3B in 276 AB. Not too shabby. He also has 18 SB and only 3 CS.
Nice choice, Jim.
He's also just 22. I think he's pretty solidly the No. 3 prospect in the organization and I wouldn't point and laugh at anyone who had him ahead of Baez. Really excited about him.
And guess what else? He's on the 40 man.
But does it really make sense to bring him up before Baez and Bryant? If those two are waiting till April and Arismendy might end being as much of your core as those guys why not wait and control them all for the same length of time?
I know these things are a hot topic but I've decided not to care. The whole super 2/clock bullshit was probably meant with good intentions but it's royally fucking up my enjoyment of the sport. Young, exciting players are held back to save money. And I don't disagree with holding them back for more time of cost control. That's just how it is.
But it sucks. So whenever he or the other dudes are called up I will be happy. Other than that I'm not even going to think about that shit anymore.
I'm with you on that.
Things I love: Discussing these guys, if they'll be good, if they'll suck, etc.
Things I hate: hand-wringing over the time in which they are able to be promoted in an effort to get one extra year added to the already 6 years of team control.
Quote from: Yeti on June 26, 2014, 10:02:53 AM
Things I hate: hand-wringing over the time in which they are able to be promoted in an effort to get one extra year added to the already 6 years of team control.
And it's not even a full extra year of control, since you're keeping them down for part of that first season.
Quote from: Eli on June 26, 2014, 10:04:56 AM
Quote from: Yeti on June 26, 2014, 10:02:53 AM
Things I hate: hand-wringing over the time in which they are able to be promoted in an effort to get one extra year added to the already 6 years of team control.
And it's not even a full extra year of control, since you're keeping them down for part of that first season.
Indeed, so it's like an extra 4 months? ghey (sorry I'm not sorry, RV)
Quote from: Eli on June 26, 2014, 10:04:56 AM
Quote from: Yeti on June 26, 2014, 10:02:53 AM
Things I hate: hand-wringing over the time in which they are able to be promoted in an effort to get one extra year added to the already 6 years of team control.
And it's not even a full extra year of control, since you're keeping them down for part of that first season.
Yeah. I don't know how Epstein and Hoyer feel about it. God knows I hope they feel good enough about the financial future of the team to not have to give a shit about stuff like that. I really feel like in an ideal world Baez keeps straightening out his shit, and Bryant and Alcantara keep up what they're doing and they could come up in September for a cup of coffee that'll maybe help accelerate their adjustments when they're opening day starters in 2015. That would be my ideal hope but I know it is unlikely and they said so.
I just read the last two pages of this thread with glee about Cubs baseball. The boners are blooming, boys.
Quote from: SKO on June 26, 2014, 10:14:21 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 26, 2014, 10:04:56 AM
Quote from: Yeti on June 26, 2014, 10:02:53 AM
Things I hate: hand-wringing over the time in which they are able to be promoted in an effort to get one extra year added to the already 6 years of team control.
And it's not even a full extra year of control, since you're keeping them down for part of that first season.
Yeah. I don't know how Epstein and Hoyer feel about it. God knows I hope they feel good enough about the financial future of the team to not have to give a shit about stuff like that. I really feel like in an ideal world Baez keeps straightening out his shit, and Bryant and Alcantara keep up what they're doing and they could come up in September for a cup of coffee that'll maybe help accelerate their adjustments when they're opening day starters in 2015. That would be my ideal hope but I know it is unlikely and they said so.
This 3-day old article makes the case that Soler may up in September (http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/06/23/cubs-minor-league-daily-jorge-solers-schedule/), if for no other reason than all of his injuries has rendered his need to get at-bats
somewhere critical.
Quote from: PANK! on June 26, 2014, 10:33:46 AM
This 3-day old article makes the case that Soler may up in September (http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/06/23/cubs-minor-league-daily-jorge-solers-schedule/), if for no other reason than all of his injuries has rendered his need to get at-bats somewhere critical.
Plus, Soler has a guaranteed major-league contract so the arbitration/control argument doesn't apply to him. Might as well let him use his bullets (so to speak; whatever) in the major leagues if he's really a bit gimpy.
Quote from: Yeti on June 26, 2014, 10:06:07 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 26, 2014, 10:04:56 AM
Quote from: Yeti on June 26, 2014, 10:02:53 AM
Things I hate: hand-wringing over the time in which they are able to be promoted in an effort to get one extra year added to the already 6 years of team control.
And it's not even a full extra year of control, since you're keeping them down for part of that first season.
Indeed, so it's like an extra 4 months? ghey (sorry I'm not sorry, RV)
They'd get something like 140 games instead of 162. So, you'd get 6.86 seasons of control vs. just 6. Punt 20 to 25 games and get an extra 135 to 140. Criminal not to do that.
Quote from: Eli on June 26, 2014, 08:54:40 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 26, 2014, 08:29:03 AM
By the way, I don't know whether this has been discussed already, but Arismen D. Alcantara is batting...
.290/.336/.518/.854 at Iowa, with 8HR, 19 2B and 10 (!) 3B in 276 AB. Not too shabby. He also has 18 SB and only 3 CS.
Nice choice, Jim.
He's also just 22. I think he's pretty solidly the No. 3 prospect in the organization and I wouldn't point and laugh at anyone who had him ahead of Baez. Really excited about him.
This.
And this:
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 26, 2014, 10:18:34 AM
I just read the last two pages of this thread with glee about Cubs baseball. The boners are blooming, boys.
The only time comparable to this was circa 1986-1987 when you could look at the Cubs farm system and find Greg Maddux, Jamie Moyer, Rafael Palmeiro, Darrin Jackson, Damon Berryhill, Hector Villanueva, Mark Grace, Dwight Smith, Joe Girardi, Dave Martinez, Gary Varsho, Jerome Walton, Jeff Pico, Lester Lancaster, et al.
And then Dallas Green retired, Jim Frey gutted the system and brought on the Larry Himes era, which begat the MacPhail era.
Quote from: Slaky on June 26, 2014, 09:47:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 26, 2014, 09:37:11 AM
Quote from: Slaky on June 26, 2014, 09:23:49 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 26, 2014, 08:54:40 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 26, 2014, 08:29:03 AM
By the way, I don't know whether this has been discussed already, but Arismen D. Alcantara is batting...
.290/.336/.518/.854 at Iowa, with 8HR, 19 2B and 10 (!) 3B in 276 AB. Not too shabby. He also has 18 SB and only 3 CS.
Nice choice, Jim.
He's also just 22. I think he's pretty solidly the No. 3 prospect in the organization and I wouldn't point and laugh at anyone who had him ahead of Baez. Really excited about him.
And guess what else? He's on the 40 man.
But does it really make sense to bring him up before Baez and Bryant? If those two are waiting till April and Arismendy might end being as much of your core as those guys why not wait and control them all for the same length of time?
I know these things are a hot topic but I've decided not to care. The whole super 2/clock bullshit was probably meant with good intentions but it's royally fucking up my enjoyment of the sport. Young, exciting players are held back to save money. And I don't disagree with holding them back for more time of cost control. That's just how it is.
Here's the thing, though: the upshot of the Super 2 arbitration clock is that, assuming that the front office isn't going to be punting the first three months of 2015, it actually makes it
easier for them to call these guys up this year.
I'm just excited at the possibility of the Cubs having guys we'll still want around in 6 years.
Quote from: Fork on June 26, 2014, 01:13:39 PM
I'm just excited at the possibility of the Cubs having guys we'll still want around in 6 years.
Or even guys I'd want to watch through six innings.
Quote from: Brownie on June 26, 2014, 11:39:27 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 26, 2014, 08:54:40 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 26, 2014, 08:29:03 AM
By the way, I don't know whether this has been discussed already, but Arismen D. Alcantara is batting...
.290/.336/.518/.854 at Iowa, with 8HR, 19 2B and 10 (!) 3B in 276 AB. Not too shabby. He also has 18 SB and only 3 CS.
Nice choice, Jim.
He's also just 22. I think he's pretty solidly the No. 3 prospect in the organization and I wouldn't point and laugh at anyone who had him ahead of Baez. Really excited about him.
This.
And this:
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 26, 2014, 10:18:34 AM
I just read the last two pages of this thread with glee about Cubs baseball. The boners are blooming, boys.
The only time comparable to this was circa 1986-1987 when you could look at the Cubs farm system and find Greg Maddux, Jamie Moyer, Rafael Palmeiro, Darrin Jackson, Damon Berryhill, Hector Villanueva, Mark Grace, Dwight Smith, Joe Girardi, Dave Martinez, Gary Varsho, Jerome Walton, Jeff Pico, Lester Lancaster, et al.
And then Dallas Green retired told the Trib to go fuck themselves, Jim Frey gutted the system and brought on the Larry Himes era, which begat the MacPhail era.
Quote from: Brownie on June 26, 2014, 11:39:27 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 26, 2014, 08:54:40 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 26, 2014, 08:29:03 AM
By the way, I don't know whether this has been discussed already, but Arismen D. Alcantara is batting...
.290/.336/.518/.854 at Iowa, with 8HR, 19 2B and 10 (!) 3B in 276 AB. Not too shabby. He also has 18 SB and only 3 CS.
Nice choice, Jim.
He's also just 22. I think he's pretty solidly the No. 3 prospect in the organization and I wouldn't point and laugh at anyone who had him ahead of Baez. Really excited about him.
This.
And this:
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 26, 2014, 10:18:34 AM
I just read the last two pages of this thread with glee about Cubs baseball. The boners are blooming, boys.
The only time comparable to this was circa 1986-1987 when you could look at the Cubs farm system and find Greg Maddux, Jamie Moyer, Rafael Palmeiro, Darrin Jackson, Damon Berryhill, Hector Villanueva, Mark Grace, Dwight Smith, Joe Girardi, Dave Martinez, Gary Varsho, Jerome Walton, Jeff Pico, Lester Lancaster, et al.
And then Dallas Green retired, Jim Frey gutted the system and brought on the Larry Himes era, which begat the MacPhail era.
I like Positive TJ Brown.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 26, 2014, 01:07:45 PM
Here's the thing, though: the upshot of the Super 2 arbitration clock is that, assuming that the front office isn't going to be punting the first three months of 2015, it actually makes it easier for them to call these guys up this year.
And maybe it helps them get some of the adjustment period out of the way before next year. I'd be pretty surprised if Baez or Bryant do get moved up, but I can see Alcantara getting his cup of coffee. And possibly Soler, as speculated earlier.
As long as we're at it, what the hell has gotten into Blake Parker? He's suddenly looking like a balls-out closer down in Iowa.
Quote from: Fork on June 26, 2014, 03:48:49 PM
As long as we're at it, what the hell has gotten into Blake Parker? He's suddenly looking like a balls-out closer down in Iowa.
His career minors (8 years) ERA is 2.88, WHIP is 1.238 and 399 K/171 BB. History suggests he has a track record of not being terrible.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 26, 2014, 01:31:10 PM
Quote from: Brownie on June 26, 2014, 11:39:27 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 26, 2014, 08:54:40 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 26, 2014, 08:29:03 AM
By the way, I don't know whether this has been discussed already, but Arismen D. Alcantara is batting...
.290/.336/.518/.854 at Iowa, with 8HR, 19 2B and 10 (!) 3B in 276 AB. Not too shabby. He also has 18 SB and only 3 CS.
Nice choice, Jim.
He's also just 22. I think he's pretty solidly the No. 3 prospect in the organization and I wouldn't point and laugh at anyone who had him ahead of Baez. Really excited about him.
This.
And this:
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 26, 2014, 10:18:34 AM
I just read the last two pages of this thread with glee about Cubs baseball. The boners are blooming, boys.
The only time comparable to this was circa 1986-1987 when you could look at the Cubs farm system and find Greg Maddux, Jamie Moyer, Rafael Palmeiro, Darrin Jackson, Damon Berryhill, Hector Villanueva, Mark Grace, Dwight Smith, Joe Girardi, Dave Martinez, Gary Varsho, Jerome Walton, Jeff Pico, Lester Lancaster, et al.
And then Dallas Green retired told the Trib to go fuck themselves, Jim Frey gutted the system and brought on the Larry Himes era, which begat the MacPhail era.
Hmm, my brain said "Resigned" my fingers typed "retired."
Anyway, let's hope there's zero chance the Ricketts make Epstink run off.
Quote from: Fork on June 26, 2014, 03:48:49 PM
As long as we're at it, what the hell has gotten into Blake Parker?
Being a 29-year-old at AAA, probably.
Quote from: Brownie on June 26, 2014, 04:13:04 PM
Anyway, let's hope there's zero chance the Ricketts make Epstink run off.
They've handled the business side so well. Besides, it's not in my nature to worry about such things.
Fuck off, Chuck.
In other news, whilst I couldn't tell you the result of any of the Chicago Cubs' last dozen games, the Iowa Cubs scoreboard has started showing up in my browser "most visited" list. I'm enjoying the hell out of AAA: imagine what that would feel like in the bigs?
Jorge Soler was back (!!!) playing yesterday and hit a dong. Stay on the field, Jorge.
Also, Manny Ramirez played LF and went 0-4 with 2 K in his return.
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Quote from: Fork on June 26, 2014, 03:48:49 PM
As long as we're at it, what the hell has gotten into Blake Parker?
Being a 29-year-old at AAA, probably.
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Age isn't as big a factor in AAA as it is at other levels. Looking at his K numbers, there's something there that wasn't there when he was 28.
Fork's fucked up all the quotes again
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Dave Duncan's bag of magic
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Fork's fucked up all the quotes again
Dave Duncan's bag of magic
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One must make allowances for senior citizens who gamely try to keep up with technology.
Quote from: Fork on June 27, 2014, 10:26:48 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 26, 2014, 04:16:44 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 26, 2014, 03:48:49 PM
As long as we're at it, what the hell has gotten into Blake Parker?
Being a 29-year-old at AAA, probably.
Age isn't as big a factor in AAA as it is at other levels. Looking at his K numbers, there's something there that wasn't there when he was 28.
Parker's K/9 when he was 28: 13.2
Parker's K/9 when he is 29: 12.2
I don't understand this Forkpost at all. (And that's without even touching "Age isn't as big a factor in AAA.")
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 27, 2014, 12:47:28 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 27, 2014, 10:26:48 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 26, 2014, 04:16:44 PM
Quote from: Fork on June 26, 2014, 03:48:49 PM
As long as we're at it, what the hell has gotten into Blake Parker?
Being a 29-year-old at AAA, probably.
Age isn't as big a factor in AAA as it is at other levels. Looking at his K numbers, there's something there that wasn't there when he was 28.
Parker's K/9 when he was 28: 13.2
Parker's K/9 when he is 29: 12.2
I don't understand this Forkpost at all. (And that's without even touching "Age isn't as big a factor in AAA.")
Well, it appears there's 3 more innings at 29 than 28. That's what wasn't there
I accept what my meme is, but can we add in a meme that Fork thinks every prospect is interesting if they spend more than 5 minutes not shitting their pants?
Quote from: Eli on June 27, 2014, 01:03:27 PM
I accept what my meme is, but can we add in a meme that Fork thinks every prospect is interesting if they spend more than 5 minutes not shitting their pants?
Meme's are crafted and certified in the ShoutBox. You'll have to bring the motion there.
Quote from: PANK! on June 27, 2014, 01:05:22 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 27, 2014, 01:03:27 PM
I accept what my meme is, but can we add in a meme that Fork thinks every prospect is interesting if they spend more than 5 minutes not shitting their pants?
Meme's are crafted and certified in the ShoutBox. You'll have to bring the motion there.
Eli's meme was born solely of his constant wailing and moaning right here on this here fringe messageboard. I don't even know when the last time was that he was in the shoutbox. I vote that we make "Huey doesn't understand how memes come to pass" a meme. Right here on Desipio.
DPD but I will also second Eli's proposed Fork meme. Fork still can't figure out how Jason Dubois didn't make it big. I mean check out his age 29 season at Iowa: http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=dubois001jas
Quote from: SKO on June 27, 2014, 01:19:57 PM
Quote from: PANK! on June 27, 2014, 01:05:22 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 27, 2014, 01:03:27 PM
I accept what my meme is, but can we add in a meme that Fork thinks every prospect is interesting if they spend more than 5 minutes not shitting their pants?
Meme's are crafted and certified in the ShoutBox. You'll have to bring the motion there.
Eli's meme was born solely of his constant wailing and moaning right here on this here fringe messageboard. I don't even know when the last time was that he was in the shoutbox. I vote that we make "Huey doesn't understand how memes come to pass" a meme. Right here on Desipio.
Well, we already have
"Demands that your "jokes" be factually accurate and your "memes" be factually false" for Huey, but I guess we could add this.
Quote from: Fork on June 27, 2014, 10:26:48 AM
Age isn't as big a factor in AAA as it is at other levels.
Fork, talking about Trenidad Hubbard's blistering age-40 season in Des Moines.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 27, 2014, 07:57:05 AM
Jorge Soler was back (!!!) playing yesterday and hit a dong. Stay on the field, Jorge.
Also, Manny Ramirez played LF and went 0-4 with 2 K in his return.
Typical kid, he just needs to stop slouching.
Quote from: Muskrat
6/27 Jorge Soler update
Top prospect Jorge Soler has been limited to 10 games in the Minor Leagues this season, but the Cubs feel they may have found a solution to the outfielder's leg problems. Soler, who hit a home run Thursday playing for the Arizona Rookie League team, underwent a full body assessment that included a study of his anatomy and biomechanics. He has been limited because of hamstring issues in both legs, and the problem may be related to his posture and the muscle distribution on his body.
Theo Epstein said the injuries have been more of a "freak" thing and that the medical staff did a thorough evaluation of Soler.
Soler began the season at Double-A Tennessee but hurt his hamstring in his first game. In three games with the Rookie League team, he's 5-for-10. The plan is to get the outfielder back with the Smokies this year, Epstein said.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 27, 2014, 02:55:21 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 27, 2014, 07:57:05 AM
Jorge Soler was back (!!!) playing yesterday and hit a dong. Stay on the field, Jorge.
Also, Manny Ramirez played LF and went 0-4 with 2 K in his return.
Typical kid, he just needs to stop slouching.
Quote from: Muskrat
6/27 Jorge Soler update
Top prospect Jorge Soler has been limited to 10 games in the Minor Leagues this season, but the Cubs feel they may have found a solution to the outfielder's leg problems. Soler, who hit a home run Thursday playing for the Arizona Rookie League team, underwent a full body assessment that included a study of his anatomy and biomechanics. He has been limited because of hamstring issues in both legs, and the problem may be related to his posture and the muscle distribution on his body.
Theo Epstein said the injuries have been more of a "freak" thing and that the medical staff did a thorough evaluation of Soler.
Soler began the season at Double-A Tennessee but hurt his hamstring in his first game. In three games with the Rookie League team, he's 5-for-10. The plan is to get the outfielder back with the Smokies this year, Epstein said.
The solution is obvious. Redistribute the muscles in his body. Next question?
Quote from: CBStew on June 27, 2014, 03:01:41 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 27, 2014, 02:55:21 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 27, 2014, 07:57:05 AM
Jorge Soler was back (!!!) playing yesterday and hit a dong. Stay on the field, Jorge.
Also, Manny Ramirez played LF and went 0-4 with 2 K in his return.
Typical kid, he just needs to stop slouching.
Quote from: Muskrat
6/27 Jorge Soler update
Top prospect Jorge Soler has been limited to 10 games in the Minor Leagues this season, but the Cubs feel they may have found a solution to the outfielder's leg problems. Soler, who hit a home run Thursday playing for the Arizona Rookie League team, underwent a full body assessment that included a study of his anatomy and biomechanics. He has been limited because of hamstring issues in both legs, and the problem may be related to his posture and the muscle distribution on his body.
Theo Epstein said the injuries have been more of a "freak" thing and that the medical staff did a thorough evaluation of Soler.
Soler began the season at Double-A Tennessee but hurt his hamstring in his first game. In three games with the Rookie League team, he's 5-for-10. The plan is to get the outfielder back with the Smokies this year, Epstein said.
The solution is obvious. Redistribute the muscles in his body. Next question?
Socialism. Cuba. Jokes. Effort.
Quote from: CBStew on June 27, 2014, 03:01:41 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 27, 2014, 02:55:21 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 27, 2014, 07:57:05 AM
Jorge Soler was back (!!!) playing yesterday and hit a dong. Stay on the field, Jorge.
Also, Manny Ramirez played LF and went 0-4 with 2 K in his return.
Typical kid, he just needs to stop slouching.
Quote from: Muskrat
6/27 Jorge Soler update
Top prospect Jorge Soler has been limited to 10 games in the Minor Leagues this season, but the Cubs feel they may have found a solution to the outfielder's leg problems. Soler, who hit a home run Thursday playing for the Arizona Rookie League team, underwent a full body assessment that included a study of his anatomy and biomechanics. He has been limited because of hamstring issues in both legs, and the problem may be related to his posture and the muscle distribution on his body.
Theo Epstein said the injuries have been more of a "freak" thing and that the medical staff did a thorough evaluation of Soler.
Soler began the season at Double-A Tennessee but hurt his hamstring in his first game. In three games with the Rookie League team, he's 5-for-10. The plan is to get the outfielder back with the Smokies this year, Epstein said.
The solution is obvious. Redistribute the muscles in his body. Next question?
Wait, I don't think there was a first question.
Quote from: SKO on June 26, 2014, 08:59:45 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 26, 2014, 08:54:40 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 26, 2014, 08:29:03 AM
By the way, I don't know whether this has been discussed already, but Arismen D. Alcantara is batting...
.290/.336/.518/.854 at Iowa, with 8HR, 19 2B and 10 (!) 3B in 276 AB. Not too shabby. He also has 18 SB and only 3 CS.
Nice choice, Jim.
He's also just 22. I think he's pretty solidly the No. 3 prospect in the organization and I wouldn't point and laugh at anyone who had him ahead of Baez. Really excited about him.
Sadsack Eli hates Javier Baez. Shocking.
FYSKO:
http://www.milb.com/multimedia/vpp.jsp?content_id=34104167&sid=milb
Quote from: Eli on June 28, 2014, 11:34:04 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 26, 2014, 08:59:45 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 26, 2014, 08:54:40 AM
Quote from: Tonker on June 26, 2014, 08:29:03 AM
By the way, I don't know whether this has been discussed already, but Arismen D. Alcantara is batting...
.290/.336/.518/.854 at Iowa, with 8HR, 19 2B and 10 (!) 3B in 276 AB. Not too shabby. He also has 18 SB and only 3 CS.
Nice choice, Jim.
He's also just 22. I think he's pretty solidly the No. 3 prospect in the organization and I wouldn't point and laugh at anyone who had him ahead of Baez. Really excited about him.
Sadsack Eli hates Javier Baez. Shocking.
FYSKO:
http://www.milb.com/multimedia/vpp.jsp?content_id=34104167&sid=milb
Does BP keep a list of shortest-looking 5'10" prospects?
Almora has hit in 9 of last 10 games, hitting .356/.396/.467/.863 with 2 2B, 3BB, 5K in last 10 games.
FYE
Quote from: BH on June 30, 2014, 09:11:23 AM
Almora has hit in 9 of last 10 games, hitting .356/.396/.467/.863 with 2 2B, 3BB, 5K in last 10 games.
FYE
Hopefully he's able to get back on the path of being a solid 4th outfielder on a really good team.
Quote from: Eli on June 30, 2014, 09:21:23 AM
Quote from: BH on June 30, 2014, 09:11:23 AM
Almora has hit in 9 of last 10 games, hitting .356/.396/.467/.863 with 2 2B, 3BB, 5K in last 10 games.
FYE
Hopefully he's able to get back on the path of being a solid 4th outfielder on a really good team.
Who are the other three outfielders on this dream team? SKOwarber, Alcantara, and Soler?
Quote from: SKO on June 30, 2014, 09:24:55 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 30, 2014, 09:21:23 AM
Quote from: BH on June 30, 2014, 09:11:23 AM
Almora has hit in 9 of last 10 games, hitting .356/.396/.467/.863 with 2 2B, 3BB, 5K in last 10 games.
FYE
Hopefully he's able to get back on the path of being a solid 4th outfielder on a really good team.
Who are the other three outfielders on this dream team? SKOwarber, Alcantara, and Soler?
Any random guy who could regularly crack a .700 OPS.
Alcantara just named PCL Player of the Week.
.517 with 15 hits and 8 runs scored.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 30, 2014, 01:15:22 PM
Alcantara just named PCL Player of the Week.
.517 with 15 hits and 8 runs scored.
Even in today's full meme-embracing state, I love Alcantara and think he's awesome.
Kane County pitcher Daury Torrez named MCL pitcher of the week.
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Torrez, a right-handed pitcher, is 8-3 with a 3.14 ERA and 45 strikeouts in 80.1 IP for the Cougars this season.
Quote from: Eli on June 30, 2014, 09:21:23 AM
Quote from: BH on June 30, 2014, 09:11:23 AM
Almora has hit in 9 of last 10 games, hitting .356/.396/.467/.863 with 2 2B, 3BB, 5K in last 10 games.
FYE
Hopefully he's able to get back on the path of being a solid 4th outfielder on a really good team.
Goddamn
Smokies' pitcher Dae-Eun Rhee named Southern League player of the week.
That's 4, if you're counting at home.
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The 25-year-old righty allowed just two earned runs in 12.2 innings of work last week, striking out 13 and walking 3.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 30, 2014, 03:54:42 PM
Smokies' pitcher Dae-Eun Rhee named Southern League player of the week.
That's 4, if you're counting at home.
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The 25-year-old righty allowed just two earned runs in 12.2 innings of work last week, striking out 13 and walking 3.
Rhee's 25 and in AA, so I wonder if he keeps it up we could see a Dallas Beeler like cameo. BN claims he was once a top prospect.
Back to Alcantara. That's some damn fine baseballing. I guess it's not too bold to say he could be the first of the three that will be called up.
Quote from: Eli on June 30, 2014, 09:26:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 30, 2014, 09:24:55 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 30, 2014, 09:21:23 AM
Quote from: BH on June 30, 2014, 09:11:23 AM
Almora has hit in 9 of last 10 games, hitting .356/.396/.467/.863 with 2 2B, 3BB, 5K in last 10 games.
FYE
Hopefully he's able to get back on the path of being a solid 4th outfielder on a really good team.
Who are the other three outfielders on this dream team? SKOwarber, Alcantara, and Soler?
Any random guy who could regularly crack a .700 OPS.
Almora's been over .700 in each of his previous 2 pro seasons, and even with this putrid stretch he's pulling out of, he can still get to .700 if he reverts to form.
http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=592321
EPSTINK IS GENIUS
International Signing period starts tomorrow.
Since the Cubs blew their wad last season on Eloy, Gleyber, Jen-Ho, etc. they only have $250,000 per player, but they can still spend a total of $4 million, which is the 4th highest of any team in MLB.
So, looking forward to adding a bunch of new 16-year old guys that IAN can fall in love with in 6 years when they're 3 weeks from a major league call-up.
Here's a list of the top 30 guys available (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2014/#list=int), though I have no idea how many of them will be available at only $250K. Probably not many.
By most accounts, the Yankees plan to do what the Cubs did last year and throw a ton of money around.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 01, 2014, 10:57:28 AM
International Signing period starts tomorrow.
Since the Cubs blew their wad last season on Eloy, Gleyber, Jen-Ho, etc. they only have $250,000 per player, but they can still spend a total of $4 million, which is the 4th highest of any team in MLB.
So, looking forward to adding a bunch of new 16-year old guys that IAN can fall in love with in 6 years when they're 3 weeks from a major league call-up.
Here's a list of the top 30 guys available (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2014/#list=int), though I have no idea how many of them will be available at only $250K. Probably not many.
By most accounts, the Yankees plan to do what the Cubs did last year and throw a ton of money around.
But, the Cubs did add some of that money via trades last year, too. And they did it at the opening of the signing period, if I recall correctly. That date is tomorrow like you said for 2014.
To wit, the Scott Feldman trade was either on the first day or one of the first days of the international signing period in 2013. The Cubs received international signing bonus money along with Strop and the 2014 Cy Young Award winner and bearded dreamsicle Jake Arrieta.
Point is, maybe we see some real trades soon?
Edited: LOL @ the Orioles
Ben Badler at Baseball America did a quick write-up of each team's plans (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/international-forecasts-30-teams/?sm_id=social_20140701_27052726) for international signings.
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Chicago Cubs
The Cubs snapped up the top two international prospects for July 2 last year in Dominican outfielder Eloy Jimenez and Venezuelan shortstop Gleyber Torres. Along with Taiwanese righthander Jen-Ho Tseng, who has quickly become one of the system's best pitching prospects, Colombian righthander Erling Moreno, Dominican righthander Jefferson Mejia and Dominican catcher Yohan Matos, the Cubs added some of the top international talent in 2013, but even with one of the biggest bonus pools last year, they still went more than 15 percent past their pool and won't be able to sign anyone for more than $250,000 in the 2014-15 signing period. That puts them in a strange spot this year, since their $3.96 million bonus pool is the fourth-highest in baseball. They could trade away bonus pool space, and given that they're likely to be sellers as the trade deadline approaches, they could tack on pool space to sweeten the pot in a trade this month. Yet there isn't a clear seller's market for pool space, especially given that three teams (the Yankees, Red Sox and Rays) are prepared to go over their pools and pay the max penalty, making more pool room unnecessary. With a big pool and a $250,000 player spending limit, the Cubs will probably sign a lot of players in the $100,000 to $250,000 range, perhaps throwing some package deals in place to squeeze some extra value. Dominican lefthander Wander Cabrera, who has the same trainer as Jimenez, looks like one target. Their big focus already has been the top talent for 2015, when they might choose to ignore their bonus pool again.
Not much info out there on Wander Cabrera (who is not on the top 30 that I linked earlier.)
Here's a pic (roughly 6'2", 185)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSiTQvWCIAAn9gN.jpg)
Quick video (http://vimeo.com/81550406)
16 year olds, dude.
Quote from: Eli on July 01, 2014, 11:52:52 AM
16 year olds, dude.
Intrepid Reader Irish Yeti: TOO OLD.
If nothing else, Wander Cabrera is a solid name.
Before anyone gets too depressed about having *only* $250K per player...
Oscar Taveras: $145,000
Gregory Polanco: $150,000
Starlin Castro: $45,000
Hanley Ramirez: $20,000
Yordano Ventura: $28,000
Quote from: PenFoe on July 01, 2014, 05:49:18 PM
Before anyone gets too depressed about having *only* $250K per player...
Oscar Taveras: $145,000
Gregory Polanco: $150,000
Starlin Castro: $45,000
Hanley Ramirez: $20,000
Yordano Ventura: $28,000
And sometimes people win the lottery, too.
Quote from: Eli on July 01, 2014, 06:53:34 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 01, 2014, 05:49:18 PM
Before anyone gets too depressed about having *only* $250K per player...
Oscar Taveras: $145,000
Gregory Polanco: $150,000
Starlin Castro: $45,000
Hanley Ramirez: $20,000
Yordano Ventura: $28,000
And sometimes people win the lottery, too.
We get it, we'll stay off your lawn.
Quote from: Bort on July 01, 2014, 07:32:51 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 01, 2014, 06:53:34 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 01, 2014, 05:49:18 PM
Before anyone gets too depressed about having *only* $250K per player...
Oscar Taveras: $145,000
Gregory Polanco: $150,000
Starlin Castro: $45,000
Hanley Ramirez: $20,000
Yordano Ventura: $28,000
And sometimes people win the lottery, too.
We get it, we'll stay off your lawn.
You know when Dads catch you smoking and you have to smoke the whole pack? Eli's going to give us all the Hatin' Ass Eli meme we can handle until we vomit.
Quote from: SKO on July 01, 2014, 09:27:28 PM
Quote from: Bort on July 01, 2014, 07:32:51 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 01, 2014, 06:53:34 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 01, 2014, 05:49:18 PM
Before anyone gets too depressed about having *only* $250K per player...
Oscar Taveras: $145,000
Gregory Polanco: $150,000
Starlin Castro: $45,000
Hanley Ramirez: $20,000
Yordano Ventura: $28,000
And sometimes people win the lottery, too.
We get it, we'll stay off your lawn.
You know when Dads catch you smoking and you have to smoke the whole pack? Eli's going to give us all the Hatin' Ass Eli meme we can handle until we vomit.
Little does he know that only strengthens the meme.
Quote from: Eli on July 01, 2014, 06:53:34 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 01, 2014, 05:49:18 PM
Before anyone gets too depressed about having *only* $250K per player...
Oscar Taveras: $145,000
Gregory Polanco: $150,000
Starlin Castro: $45,000
Hanley Ramirez: $20,000
Yordano Ventura: $28,000
And sometimes people win the lottery, too.
Are you memetrolling or is this really you?
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 02, 2014, 10:19:49 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 01, 2014, 06:53:34 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 01, 2014, 05:49:18 PM
Before anyone gets too depressed about having *only* $250K per player...
Oscar Taveras: $145,000
Gregory Polanco: $150,000
Starlin Castro: $45,000
Hanley Ramirez: $20,000
Yordano Ventura: $28,000
And sometimes people win the lottery, too.
Are you memetrolling or is this really you?
Even if you win the lottery, no prospects ever turn out to be good. Life sucks.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 01, 2014, 10:57:28 AM
International Signing period starts tomorrow.
Since the Cubs blew their wad last season on Eloy, Gleyber, Jen-Ho, etc. they only have $250,000 per player, but they can still spend a total of $4 million, which is the 4th highest of any team in MLB.
So, looking forward to adding a bunch of new 16-year old guys that IAN can fall in love with in 6 years when they're 3 weeks from a major league call-up.
Here's a list of the top 30 guys available (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2014/#list=int), though I have no idea how many of them will be available at only $250K. Probably not many.
By most accounts, the Yankees plan to do what the Cubs did last year and throw a ton of money around.
For reference, the Tigers just signed the #19 prospect, Julio Martinez, on this list for $600K.
One guy not on the top 30, Frederick Cuevas, signed with the Yankees for $300K.
Translation: Don't expect the Cubs to get any of the top 30, but you can still probably expect them to sign the next Hanley Ramirez and Gregory Polanco.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 02, 2014, 10:19:49 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 01, 2014, 06:53:34 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 01, 2014, 05:49:18 PM
Before anyone gets too depressed about having *only* $250K per player...
Oscar Taveras: $145,000
Gregory Polanco: $150,000
Starlin Castro: $45,000
Hanley Ramirez: $20,000
Yordano Ventura: $28,000
And sometimes people win the lottery, too.
Are you memetrolling or is this really you?
Does it actually matter?
My real answer is that it was 90% PenTrolling (for being such a rosy pollyanna all the time) and 10% serious. It's like how people bring up Greg Maddux as an example for any soft-tossing pitcher or Pedro Martinez for any slightly-built pitcher, as if that proves some likelihood of success.
Quote from: Eli on July 02, 2014, 11:34:47 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 02, 2014, 10:19:49 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 01, 2014, 06:53:34 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 01, 2014, 05:49:18 PM
Before anyone gets too depressed about having *only* $250K per player...
Oscar Taveras: $145,000
Gregory Polanco: $150,000
Starlin Castro: $45,000
Hanley Ramirez: $20,000
Yordano Ventura: $28,000
And sometimes people win the lottery, too.
Are you memetrolling or is this really you?
Does it actually matter?
My real answer is that it was 90% PenTrolling (for being such a rosy pollyanna all the time) and 10% serious. It's like how people bring up Greg Maddux as an example for any soft-tossing pitcher or Pedro Martinez for any slightly-built pitcher, as if that proves some likelihood of success.
Intrepid Reader: EliWhat's the point in losing all these games to get a better draft pick when Mike Piazza wasn't drafted until the 62nd round?
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 02, 2014, 12:28:53 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 02, 2014, 11:34:47 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 02, 2014, 10:19:49 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 01, 2014, 06:53:34 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 01, 2014, 05:49:18 PM
Before anyone gets too depressed about having *only* $250K per player...
Oscar Taveras: $145,000
Gregory Polanco: $150,000
Starlin Castro: $45,000
Hanley Ramirez: $20,000
Yordano Ventura: $28,000
And sometimes people win the lottery, too.
Are you memetrolling or is this really you?
Does it actually matter?
My real answer is that it was 90% PenTrolling (for being such a rosy pollyanna all the time) and 10% serious. It's like how people bring up Greg Maddux as an example for any soft-tossing pitcher or Pedro Martinez for any slightly-built pitcher, as if that proves some likelihood of success.
Intrepid Reader: Eli
What's the point in losing all these games to get a better draft pick when Mike Piazza wasn't drafted until the 62nd round?
Hey, not my fault you couldn't prove anything statistically significant about draft order.
Quote from: Eli on July 02, 2014, 11:34:47 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 02, 2014, 10:19:49 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 01, 2014, 06:53:34 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 01, 2014, 05:49:18 PM
Before anyone gets too depressed about having *only* $250K per player...
Oscar Taveras: $145,000
Gregory Polanco: $150,000
Starlin Castro: $45,000
Hanley Ramirez: $20,000
Yordano Ventura: $28,000
And sometimes people win the lottery, too.
Are you memetrolling or is this really you?
Does it actually matter?
My real answer is that it was 90% PenTrolling (for being such a rosy pollyanna all the time) and 10% serious. It's like how people bring up Greg Maddux as an example for any soft-tossing pitcher or Pedro Martinez for any slightly-built pitcher, as if that proves some likelihood of success.
Hey - I gave five examples. I'm sure there are a ton more.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DAqjGcvq4x4/UBXqCEy5dGI/AAAAAAAAA5E/ijX-BotSCMA/s320/Pollyanna_Eleanor_H_Porter_unabridged.jpg)
Aside from this slapfight... Blake Parker just recorded his 18th save in Iowa. What's gotten into this guy?
Quote from: Yeti on July 02, 2014, 10:30:25 PM
Aside from this slapfight... Blake Parker just recorded his 18th save in Iowa. What's gotten into this guy?
29 years of life experience.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 02, 2014, 10:33:49 PM
Quote from: Yeti on July 02, 2014, 10:30:25 PM
Aside from this slapfight... Blake Parker just recorded his 18th save in Iowa. What's gotten into this guy?
29 years of life experience.
Manny's vitamin stash.
DPD.
Alcantara is 19 for his last 40 and looking pretty solid in CF.
When does he come up?
Quote from: Fork on July 03, 2014, 12:22:05 AM
DPD.
Alcantara is 19 for his last 40 and looking pretty solid in CF.
When does he come up?
As soon as someone is traded or Junior Lake is taken behind the barn.
More importantly, for now...the internet is abuzz with rumors that Dylan Cease (6th round pick) will sign in the next 24 hours for a way overslot $1.5MM. He'll likely need TJ and a year, but it's a huge signing and means the Cubs have signed their first 22 picks in the '14 draft (#23 Isaiah Gilliam won't sign, unfortunately.)
Also, Eloy Jiminez hit his first professional homer last night for AZL.
This is all getting very real.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 03, 2014, 06:41:34 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 03, 2014, 12:22:05 AM
DPD.
Alcantara is 19 for his last 40 and looking pretty solid in CF.
When does he come up?
As soon as someone is traded or Junior Lake is taken behind the barn.
More importantly, for now...the internet is abuzz with rumors that Dylan Cease (6th round pick) will sign in the next 24 hours for a way overslot $1.5MM. He'll likely need TJ and a year, but it's a huge signing and means the Cubs have signed their first 22 picks in the '14 draft (#23 Isaiah Gilliam won't sign, unfortunately.)
Also, Eloy Jiminez hit his first professional homer last night for AZL.
This is all getting very real.
So real I can taste them in 2019
Quote from: Yeti on July 03, 2014, 07:08:45 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 03, 2014, 06:41:34 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 03, 2014, 12:22:05 AM
DPD.
Alcantara is 19 for his last 40 and looking pretty solid in CF.
When does he come up?
As soon as someone is traded or Junior Lake is taken behind the barn.
More importantly, for now...the internet is abuzz with rumors that Dylan Cease (6th round pick) will sign in the next 24 hours for a way overslot $1.5MM. He'll likely need TJ and a year, but it's a huge signing and means the Cubs have signed their first 22 picks in the '14 draft (#23 Isaiah Gilliam won't sign, unfortunately.)
Also, Eloy Jiminez hit his first professional homer last night for AZL.
This is all getting very real.
So real I can taste them in 2019
Your Epstink shirsey will be totes broken in by then, so everyone will know you're not some bandwagon fan.
Javy with a .988 OPS in his last 10 games, without the benefit of a home run. That also includes 10 walks to 9 Ks. Seems like a good sign.
Quote from: Eli on July 03, 2014, 08:21:37 AM
Javy with a .988 OPS in his last 10 games, without the benefit of a home run. That also includes 10 walks to 9 Ks. Seems like a good sign.
Somebody needs to PM Eli and let him know his account's been hacked.
Albert Almora with a 3 for 3 yesterday with his 16th double and a walk. He's up to .266 on the season.
Kyle Schwarber was 2 for 4.
Mark Zagunis was 2 for 3 with two walks. He could be interesting.
Eloy Jiminez hit his first pro dong.
Erick Leal went 6 IP and gave up a run with 5 K/1 BB.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 03, 2014, 08:49:19 AM
Albert Almora with a 3 for 3 yesterday with his 16th double and a walk. He's up to .266 on the season.
FYE
Quote from: Tonker on July 03, 2014, 08:42:24 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 03, 2014, 08:21:37 AM
Javy with a .988 OPS in his last 10 games, without the benefit of a home run. That also includes 10 walks to 9 Ks. Seems like a good sign.
Somebody needs to PM Eli and let him know his account's been hacked.
I'm kind of bored of trolling. I don't how Paul did it for so long.
Quote from: Eli on July 03, 2014, 09:23:14 AM
Quote from: Tonker on July 03, 2014, 08:42:24 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 03, 2014, 08:21:37 AM
Javy with a .988 OPS in his last 10 games, without the benefit of a home run. That also includes 10 walks to 9 Ks. Seems like a good sign.
Somebody needs to PM Eli and let him know his account's been hacked.
I'm kind of bored of trolling. I don't how Paul did it for so long.
There's magic in secksing scorpions.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 03, 2014, 09:24:12 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 03, 2014, 09:23:14 AM
Quote from: Tonker on July 03, 2014, 08:42:24 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 03, 2014, 08:21:37 AM
Javy with a .988 OPS in his last 10 games, without the benefit of a home run. That also includes 10 walks to 9 Ks. Seems like a good sign.
Somebody needs to PM Eli and let him know his account's been hacked.
I'm kind of bored of trolling. I don't how Paul did it for so long.
There's magic in secksing scorpions.
Dolphins, too.
Quote from: Eli on July 03, 2014, 09:24:44 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 03, 2014, 09:24:12 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 03, 2014, 09:23:14 AM
Quote from: Tonker on July 03, 2014, 08:42:24 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 03, 2014, 08:21:37 AM
Javy with a .988 OPS in his last 10 games, without the benefit of a home run. That also includes 10 walks to 9 Ks. Seems like a good sign.
Somebody needs to PM Eli and let him know his account's been hacked.
I'm kind of bored of trolling. I don't how Paul did it for so long.
There's magic in secksing scorpions.
Dolphins, too.
And comparing oneself to Kierkegaard, natch
Quote from: PenFoe on July 01, 2014, 11:50:11 AM
Ben Badler at Baseball America did a quick write-up of each team's plans (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/international-forecasts-30-teams/?sm_id=social_20140701_27052726) for international signings.
For anyone who doesn't have an account or doesn't want to sign-up:
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Chicago Cubs
The Cubs snapped up the top two international prospects for July 2 last year in Dominican outfielder Eloy Jimenez and Venezuelan shortstop Gleyber Torres. Along with Taiwanese righthander Jen-Ho Tseng, who has quickly become one of the system's best pitching prospects, Colombian righthander Erling Moreno, Dominican righthander Jefferson Mejia and Dominican catcher Yohan Matos, the Cubs added some of the top international talent in 2013, but even with one of the biggest bonus pools last year, they still went more than 15 percent past their pool and won't be able to sign anyone for more than $250,000 in the 2014-15 signing period. That puts them in a strange spot this year, since their $3.96 million bonus pool is the fourth-highest in baseball. They could trade away bonus pool space, and given that they're likely to be sellers as the trade deadline approaches, they could tack on pool space to sweeten the pot in a trade this month. Yet there isn't a clear seller's market for pool space, especially given that three teams (the Yankees, Red Sox and Rays) are prepared to go over their pools and pay the max penalty, making more pool room unnecessary. With a big pool and a $250,000 player spending limit, the Cubs will probably sign a lot of players in the $100,000 to $250,000 range, perhaps throwing some package deals in place to squeeze some extra value. Dominican lefthander Wander Cabrera, who has the same trainer as Jimenez, looks like one target. Their big focus already has been the top talent for 2015, when they might choose to ignore their bonus pool again.
Not much info out there on Wander Cabrera (who is not on the top 30 that I linked earlier.)
Here's a pic (roughly 6'2", 185)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSiTQvWCIAAn9gN.jpg)
Quick video (http://vimeo.com/81550406)
REPORTEDLY SIGNED (http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/07/03/chicago-cubs-reportedly-sign-dominican-lhp-prospect-wander-cabrera/)
2025 WS HERE WE COME!
There was some good chatter about Almora on Twitter the other day. I was going to link Eli to it but fucking did some other shit instead. Anyway the gist is that he's been asked to try a few new things in his approach and is going through some of that stuff right now. He's probably not on the fast track but that certainly doesn't mean he's a bust or whatever.
Also I have been told that Theo has said off the record that Schwarber is "babe fucking ruth"
Quote from: Slaky on July 03, 2014, 11:49:21 PM
There was some good chatter about Almora on Twitter the other day. I was going to link Eli to it but fucking did some other shit instead. Anyway the gist is that he's been asked to try a few new things in his approach and is going through some of that stuff right now. He's probably not on the fast track but that certainly doesn't mean he's a bust or whatever.
Also I have been told that Theo has said off the record that Schwarber is "babe fucking ruth"
Almora's been hitting the ever loving shit out of the ball the last couple weeks, so it seems to be working.
Cease just signed. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/cubs-sign-sixth-rounder-dylan-cease.html)
QuoteThe Cubs have signed sixth-round draft pick Dylan Cease to a contract with a $1.5MM bonus, MLB.com's Jim Callis reports (via Twitter), which far exceeds the $269.5K slot price attached to the 169th overall pick.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 04, 2014, 12:50:00 PM
Cease just signed. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/cubs-sign-sixth-rounder-dylan-cease.html)
QuoteThe Cubs have signed sixth-round draft pick Dylan Cease to a contract with a $1.5MM bonus, MLB.com's Jim Callis reports (via Twitter), which far exceeds the $269.5K slot price attached to the 169th overall pick.
Let's all look forward to a career full of awful 'cease and desist' puns.
Add Addison Russell to the mix.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/04/as-cubs-in-serious-talks-about-jeff-samadzija-jason-hammel/
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 04, 2014, 10:08:59 PM
Add Addison Russell to the mix.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/04/as-cubs-in-serious-talks-about-jeff-samadzija-jason-hammel/
So Russell, Baez and Castro? I assume we are not playing a 5 infielder infield, so which one of them is packing?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 04, 2014, 03:36:10 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 04, 2014, 12:50:00 PM
Cease just signed. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/cubs-sign-sixth-rounder-dylan-cease.html)
QuoteThe Cubs have signed sixth-round draft pick Dylan Cease to a contract with a $1.5MM bonus, MLB.com's Jim Callis reports (via Twitter), which far exceeds the $269.5K slot price attached to the 169th overall pick.
Let's all look forward to a career full of awful 'cease and desist' puns.
"Cease to resist"
Quote from: thehawk on July 04, 2014, 10:58:36 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 04, 2014, 10:08:59 PM
Add Addison Russell to the mix.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/04/as-cubs-in-serious-talks-about-jeff-samadzija-jason-hammel/
So Russell, Baez and Castro? I assume we are not playing a 5 infielder infield, so which one of them is packing?
Which one has the least mental wherewithal?
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 04, 2014, 11:03:13 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 04, 2014, 03:36:10 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 04, 2014, 12:50:00 PM
Cease just signed. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/cubs-sign-sixth-rounder-dylan-cease.html)
QuoteThe Cubs have signed sixth-round draft pick Dylan Cease to a contract with a $1.5MM bonus, MLB.com's Jim Callis reports (via Twitter), which far exceeds the $269.5K slot price attached to the 169th overall pick.
Let's all look forward to a career full of awful 'cease and desist' puns.
"Cease to resist"
Cease and desist: Cubs rookie fans 10 in shutout win at St. Louis
Cease and desist: Right-hander blanks Athletics, Cubs lead World Series 3-2
Cease and desist: Cubs starter's arm explodes, will never pitch again
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 04, 2014, 11:06:45 PM
Quote from: thehawk on July 04, 2014, 10:58:36 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 04, 2014, 10:08:59 PM
Add Addison Russell to the mix.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/04/as-cubs-in-serious-talks-about-jeff-samadzija-jason-hammel/
So Russell, Baez and Castro? I assume we are not playing a 5 infielder infield, so which one of them is packing?
Which one has the least mental wherewithal?
DPD.
C: SKOwarber
1B: Rizzo
2B: Castro
SS: Russell
3B: Baez
LF: Soler
CF: Alcantara
RF: Bryant
Almora off the bench/defensive sub. IT'S GONNA HAI
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 04, 2014, 11:08:54 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 04, 2014, 11:03:13 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 04, 2014, 03:36:10 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 04, 2014, 12:50:00 PM
Cease just signed. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/cubs-sign-sixth-rounder-dylan-cease.html)
QuoteThe Cubs have signed sixth-round draft pick Dylan Cease to a contract with a $1.5MM bonus, MLB.com's Jim Callis reports (via Twitter), which far exceeds the $269.5K slot price attached to the 169th overall pick.
Let's all look forward to a career full of awful 'cease and desist' puns.
"Cease to resist"
Cease and desist: Cubs rookie fans 10 in shutout win at St. Louis
Cease and desist: Right-hander blanks Athletics, Cubs lead World Series 3-2
Cease and desist: Cubs starter's arm explodes, will never pitch again
Don't forget "Szcur and resist."
Baez and Bryant both homered for America today, by the way. Bryant's 7th in Triple-A and Baez's 12th.
Quote from: thehawk on July 04, 2014, 10:58:36 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 04, 2014, 10:08:59 PM
Add Addison Russell to the mix.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/04/as-cubs-in-serious-talks-about-jeff-samadzija-jason-hammel/
So Russell, Baez and Castro? I assume we are not playing a 5 infielder infield, so which one of them is packing?
Rusell to 3B, Baez to 2B (if everyone stays).
Quote from: Shooter on July 04, 2014, 11:17:26 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 04, 2014, 11:08:54 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 04, 2014, 11:03:13 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 04, 2014, 03:36:10 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 04, 2014, 12:50:00 PM
Cease just signed. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/cubs-sign-sixth-rounder-dylan-cease.html)
QuoteThe Cubs have signed sixth-round draft pick Dylan Cease to a contract with a $1.5MM bonus, MLB.com's Jim Callis reports (via Twitter), which far exceeds the $269.5K slot price attached to the 169th overall pick.
Let's all look forward to a career full of awful 'cease and desist' puns.
"Cease to resist"
Cease and desist: Cubs rookie fans 10 in shutout win at St. Louis
Cease and desist: Right-hander blanks Athletics, Cubs lead World Series 3-2
Cease and desist: Cubs starter's arm explodes, will never pitch again
Don't forget "Szcur and resist."
That's "Search and Szcur."
Quote from: Bort on July 05, 2014, 08:41:39 AM
Quote from: Shooter on July 04, 2014, 11:17:26 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 04, 2014, 11:08:54 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 04, 2014, 11:03:13 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 04, 2014, 03:36:10 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 04, 2014, 12:50:00 PM
Cease just signed. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/cubs-sign-sixth-rounder-dylan-cease.html)
QuoteThe Cubs have signed sixth-round draft pick Dylan Cease to a contract with a $1.5MM bonus, MLB.com's Jim Callis reports (via Twitter), which far exceeds the $269.5K slot price attached to the 169th overall pick.
Let's all look forward to a career full of awful 'cease and desist' puns.
"Cease to resist"
Cease and desist: Cubs rookie fans 10 in shutout win at St. Louis
Cease and desist: Right-hander blanks Athletics, Cubs lead World Series 3-2
Cease and desist: Cubs starter's arm explodes, will never pitch again
Don't forget "Szcur and resist."
That's "Search and Szcur."
"Don't have a Szczur, man, I'll pay the fuck attention from now on"
Quote from: Eli on July 05, 2014, 08:16:12 AM
Quote from: thehawk on July 04, 2014, 10:58:36 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 04, 2014, 10:08:59 PM
Add Addison Russell to the mix.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/04/as-cubs-in-serious-talks-about-jeff-samadzija-jason-hammel/
So Russell, Baez and Castro? I assume we are not playing a 5 infielder infield, so which one of them is packing?
Rusell to 3B, Baez to 2B (if everyone stays).
THERE ARE TOO MANY SHORTSTOPS AND THIRD BASEMEN ON THIS FIELD!
Quote from: Eli on July 05, 2014, 08:16:12 AM
Quote from: thehawk on July 04, 2014, 10:58:36 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 04, 2014, 10:08:59 PM
Add Addison Russell to the mix.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/04/as-cubs-in-serious-talks-about-jeff-samadzija-jason-hammel/
So Russell, Baez and Castro? I assume we are not playing a 5 infielder infield, so which one of them is packing?
Rusell to 3B, Baez to 2B (if everyone stays).
Wouldn't Russell be the one to stay at short? Isn't he the best glove man of the three?
Quote from: Tony on July 05, 2014, 11:06:54 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 05, 2014, 08:16:12 AM
Quote from: thehawk on July 04, 2014, 10:58:36 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 04, 2014, 10:08:59 PM
Add Addison Russell to the mix.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/04/as-cubs-in-serious-talks-about-jeff-samadzija-jason-hammel/
So Russell, Baez and Castro? I assume we are not playing a 5 infielder infield, so which one of them is packing?
Rusell to 3B, Baez to 2B (if everyone stays).
Wouldn't Russell be the one to stay at short? Isn't he the best glove man of the three?
And most prospect reports I see say Baez would be a great 3B, so I assumed Castro would move to 2B if Russell takes over, otherwise Russell to 2B. I can't see them wasting Baez's arm as a 2B but stranger things have happened. Maybe it'll be Darwin Barney at 2B. Gold glover!
Quote from: thehawk on July 04, 2014, 10:58:36 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 04, 2014, 10:08:59 PM
Add Addison Russell to the mix.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/04/as-cubs-in-serious-talks-about-jeff-samadzija-jason-hammel/
So Russell, Baez and Castro? I assume we are not playing a 5 infielder infield, so which one of them is packing?
It's increasingly likely...
Quote from: Fork on June 26, 2014, 03:48:49 PM
As long as we're at it, what the hell has gotten into Blake Parker? He's suddenly looking like a balls-out closer down in Iowa.
It's happening! (https://twitter.com/MDGonzales/status/485793916240011264)
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 05, 2014, 02:42:48 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 05, 2014, 11:06:54 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 05, 2014, 08:16:12 AM
Quote from: thehawk on July 04, 2014, 10:58:36 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 04, 2014, 10:08:59 PM
Add Addison Russell to the mix.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/04/as-cubs-in-serious-talks-about-jeff-samadzija-jason-hammel/
So Russell, Baez and Castro? I assume we are not playing a 5 infielder infield, so which one of them is packing?
Rusell to 3B, Baez to 2B (if everyone stays).
Wouldn't Russell be the one to stay at short? Isn't he the best glove man of the three?
And most prospect reports I see say Baez would be a great 3B, so I assumed Castro would move to 2B if Russell takes over, otherwise Russell to 2B. I can't see them wasting Baez's arm as a 2B but stranger things have happened. Maybe it'll be Darwin Barney at 2B. Gold glover!
Even though Bryant
could move to the OF, I think that's just a thing that has stuck since he was drafted last year. It might not be what the Cubs have in mind at all for him and they really like him at 3B. I read an interesting take that Starlin Castro could be flipped for pitching to the Yankees or Mets.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 07, 2014, 08:32:07 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 05, 2014, 02:42:48 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 05, 2014, 11:06:54 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 05, 2014, 08:16:12 AM
Quote from: thehawk on July 04, 2014, 10:58:36 PM
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on July 04, 2014, 10:08:59 PM
Add Addison Russell to the mix.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/04/as-cubs-in-serious-talks-about-jeff-samadzija-jason-hammel/
So Russell, Baez and Castro? I assume we are not playing a 5 infielder infield, so which one of them is packing?
Rusell to 3B, Baez to 2B (if everyone stays).
Wouldn't Russell be the one to stay at short? Isn't he the best glove man of the three?
And most prospect reports I see say Baez would be a great 3B, so I assumed Castro would move to 2B if Russell takes over, otherwise Russell to 2B. I can't see them wasting Baez's arm as a 2B but stranger things have happened. Maybe it'll be Darwin Barney at 2B. Gold glover!
Even though Bryant could move to the OF, I think that's just a thing that has stuck since he was drafted last year. It might not be what the Cubs have in mind at all for him and they really like him at 3B. I read an interesting take that Starlin Castro could be flipped for pitching to the Yankees or Mets.
Chuck's wrting again?
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 07, 2014, 08:32:07 AM
I read an interesting take that Starlin Castro could be flipped for pitching to the Yankees or Mets.
I don't think either of them have any pitching that's worth Castro.
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 08:47:37 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 07, 2014, 08:32:07 AM
I read an interesting take that Starlin Castro could be flipped for pitching to the Yankees or Mets.
I don't think either of them have any pitching that's worth Castro.
There's Stephen Matz (#10) Rafael Montero (#2) and Noah Syndergaard (#1) with the Mets and Ian Clarkin (#10) and Jose Ramirez (#9) for the Yankees. Not much with the Yankees it appears.
You don't think a package with Syndergaard from the Mets would suffice for Castro?
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 08:47:37 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 07, 2014, 08:32:07 AM
I read an interesting take that Starlin Castro could be flipped for pitching to the Yankees or Mets.
I don't think either of them have any pitching that's worth Castro.
I'm not really how many pitchers Anyone is offering are worth any of the guys the Cubs have acquired. Price?
Arrieta sure as heck seems capable of being the ace, there's lots of #3-#4 types in the organization between Strailly and Hendricks and CJ Wilson and Travis Wood, they've shown a talent for finding other middle rotation guys on the cheap.
I think all they'd really need is to go out and gladly overpay for whoever the top starting pitcher is in free agency. It sure looks like since all of their hitters are going to be cost-controlled for the near future that they'll have all of the money they'd ever want to spend on pitchers, even knowing you're going to overpay in an absolute sense for whoever you get.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 07, 2014, 08:53:38 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 08:47:37 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 07, 2014, 08:32:07 AM
I read an interesting take that Starlin Castro could be flipped for pitching to the Yankees or Mets.
I don't think either of them have any pitching that's worth Castro.
There's Stephen Matz (#10) Rafael Montero (#2) and Noah Syndergaard (#1) with the Mets and Ian Clarkin (#10) and Jose Ramirez (#9) for the Yankees. Not much with the Yankees it appears.
You don't think a package with Syndergaard from the Mets would suffice for Castro?
It might not, IAN. Theo's said repeatedly they are wary of spending all of those players and prospects to get a young pitching phenom who, just mathematically speaking, is likely to have his arm explode at some point in the next couple of years. It's not even an if anymore, it's pretty much a when. Better to stockpile hitters when everyone else is struggling to score runs, and just buy average pitching.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 07, 2014, 08:53:38 AM
You don't think a package with Syndergaard from the Mets would suffice for Castro?
Absolutely not. There's not a pitching prospect in the entire minor leagues that's remotely worth a 24-year-old shortshop who's already been an All-Star three times. They're all just too volatile.
Like SKO said, I'm comfortable with the Cubs just building a massive offense and then throwing shit at the wall for pitching every year. If they feel comfortable spending on an established pitcher who's proven to be durable (like Lester), that's probably fine. But it's pretty clearly become a bad bet to invest heavily in pitching prospects.
Someone already said a player with SS as his primary position can move virtually anywhere. Let's not get lost in the weeds here.
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 09:08:42 AM
Like SKO said, I'm comfortable with the Cubs just building a massive offense and then throwing shit at the wall for pitching every year. If they feel comfortable spending on an established pitcher who's proven to be durable (like Lester), that's probably fine. But it's pretty clearly become a bad bet to invest heavily in pitching prospects.
If they can get a decent starter by trading a package of players like Alcantara or Almora or someone who may end up being superfluous outside of the core, fine. But I'd have a hard time understanding trading one of the best offensive shortstops in the game, one who has finally put together enough patience and become selective enough to develop into a power-hitter at that, for a fucking pitching prospect in the new deadball era.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 07, 2014, 08:53:38 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 08:47:37 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 07, 2014, 08:32:07 AM
I read an interesting take that Starlin Castro could be flipped for pitching to the Yankees or Mets.
I don't think either of them have any pitching that's worth Castro.
There's Stephen Matz (#10) Rafael Montero (#2) and Noah Syndergaard (#1) with the Mets and Ian Clarkin (#10) and Jose Ramirez (#9) for the Yankees. Not much with the Yankees it appears.
You don't think a package with Syndergaard from the Mets would suffice for Castro?
Fuck trading Castro. He's an all star ML shortstop RIGHT NOW.
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 09:08:42 AM
Like SKO said, I'm comfortable with the Cubs just building a massive offense and then throwing shit at the wall for pitching every year. If they feel comfortable spending on an established pitcher who's proven to be durable (like Lester), that's probably fine. But it's pretty clearly become a bad bet to invest heavily in pitching prospects.
Yeah, I like what SKO said and it makes a lot of sense. BTW, I wasn't implying Syndergaard for Castro straight up. But I was wondering if they have a package to put together including Syndergaard. Anyway, the Cubs are in a great position to be competitive.
One more thing...them trading both Samardzija and Hammel to the same team could effectively boost Edwin Jackson's stock? That was two of the most available and sought after pitching trade pieces being dealt in one trade.
ETA: And to what Slaky said, I agree. I think it'd be best for the Cubs to keep Castro. The trade thing isn't my idea, just something I read and wanted to talk about.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 07, 2014, 09:12:09 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 09:08:42 AM
Like SKO said, I'm comfortable with the Cubs just building a massive offense and then throwing shit at the wall for pitching every year. If they feel comfortable spending on an established pitcher who's proven to be durable (like Lester), that's probably fine. But it's pretty clearly become a bad bet to invest heavily in pitching prospects.
Yeah, I like what SKO said and it makes a lot of sense. BTW, I wasn't implying Syndergaard for Castro straight up. But I was wondering if they have a package to put together including Syndergaard. Anyway, the Cubs are in a great position to be competitive.
One more thing...them trading both Samardzija and Hammel to the same team could effectively boost Edwin Jackson's stock? That was two of the most available and sought after pitching trade pieces being dealt in one trade.
ETA: And to what Slaky said, I agree. I think it'd be best for the Cubs to keep Castro. The trade thing isn't my idea, just something I read and wanted to talk about.
Nah. You can't polish a turd.
The Cubs pitching in the first half of the last 2-3 seasons (let's use before the first SP is dealt as a benchmark) has been good enough to be in contention. it's been the hitting that's stunk.
Of course if someone wants to look up the actual numbers that'd be cool. I'm filtering through old emails while I was off work.
Eli made the point earlier, the FO has shown they know how to cobble together a rotation. They're clearly fine with spending on FA starters but talking about trading someone flourishing at the major league level right now to make room for a guy in AA who just got here is super premature.
We tend to think like all of these prospects (6 in the top 60 PLUS Schwarber and Soler) are going to hit in the pros and it's just not the case.
This is fun but goddamn it's not like every dude is coming up tomorrow throwing romeos all over the place.
Quote from: Slaky on July 07, 2014, 09:23:21 AM
The Cubs pitching in the first half of the last 2-3 seasons (let's use before the first SP is dealt as a benchmark) has been good enough to be in contention. it's been the hitting that's stunk.
Of course if someone wants to look up the actual numbers that'd be cool. I'm filtering through old emails while I was off work.
Eli made the point earlier, the FO has shown they know how to cobble together a rotation. They're clearly fine with spending on FA starters but talking about trading someone flourishing at the major league level right now to make room for a guy in AA who just got here is super premature.
We tend to think like all of these prospects (6 in the top 60 PLUS Schwarber and Soler) are going to hit in the pros and it's just not the case.
This is fun but goddamn it's not like every dude is coming up tomorrow throwing romeos all over the place.
Yeah, what's cool is the redundancies they've built into the farm system. They can survive Baez flopping, because Russell and Alcantara are both promising looking middle infielders with some pop as well. They can survive Soler or Almora or Schwarber flopping because one or two of them should still eventually be part of a pretty good major league outfield. Then Bryant just won't fail because fuck you.
DPD, but if some of them have to fail I guess I'd hope the two big hits were Bryant and Russel or Bryant and Baez, because then at least you have a young, good, power hitting infield all around that's set for the foreseeable future, and while finding offense is hard nowadays it seems like you could probably find a couple of serviceable corner outfielders easier than you could good-hitting infielders.
But even in pessimistic scenarios the Cubs end up looking good offensively.
Let's say 50% of the main six (Bryant, Baez, Russell, Soler, Schwarber, Alcantara) fail.
So your hits are: Bryant, Russell, Schwarber
Your misses are: Baez, Alcantara, Soler.
You still end up with your entire infield taken care of, and one of your corner outfielders. If you're getting + offense from 2B and SS you can post any good-glove speedy slap hitting Juan Pierre in CF and find an average corner outfielder and that's still probably a top ten major league offense.
So what we're all trying to say here is that Epstink is fucking terrible.
I'm just wondering when SKO had Epstink trade for CJ Wilson.
Seems off-strategy, but I'm curious.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 07, 2014, 10:24:47 AM
I'm just wondering when SKO had Epstink trade for CJ Wilson.
Seems off-strategy, but I'm curious.
Edwards*. And go to hell.
EPSTINK FUCKED UP
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/madden-theo-epstein-forgets-game-moneyball-article-1.1856368
Soler, Baez and Bryant HR porn. (http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/07/07/too-much-swoon-kris-bryant-javier-baez-and-jorge-soler-homered-on-the-same-day-video/) That's the first time I think I've seen Soler's swing.
Quote from: Slaky on July 07, 2014, 11:15:30 AM
EPSTINK FUCKED UP
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/madden-theo-epstein-forgets-game-moneyball-article-1.1856368
By that dude's logic, because Epstein was asking for huge compensation from other teams, the huge compensation he got back from Oakland was a defeat. Nowhere does anyone say that the Cardinals, Yankees or whoever were beating down Epstein's door with packages greater than he took from Oakland. It just says he was asking for them. I don't get it.
He says Beane fleeced Epstein. He's got two pitchers, one a free agent at season's end and one with a year left on his deal. Then what? I don't see Oakland meeting Snork's asking price or him coming down any for them. We'll see what Beane is able to flip him for next year and we'll see who fleeced who.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 07, 2014, 08:53:38 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 08:47:37 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 07, 2014, 08:32:07 AM
I read an interesting take that Starlin Castro could be flipped for pitching to the Yankees or Mets.
I don't think either of them have any pitching that's worth Castro.
There's Stephen Matz (#10) Rafael Montero (#2) and Noah Syndergaard (#1) with the Mets and Ian Clarkin (#10) and Jose Ramirez (#9) for the Yankees. Not much with the Yankees it appears.
You don't think a package with Syndergaard from the Mets would suffice for Castro?
Are you aware that Syndegaard ahs been lit up in his last several starts? If that list would be revised today, he would not be #1 anymore (I know this because I drafted Syndegaard in my Pederast League last year and have been following him closely). The Mets have cooled on his prospects over the last 6 weeks right after the point he was seriously being discussed as a possible callup this season.
Quote from: PANK! on July 07, 2014, 11:31:21 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 07, 2014, 08:53:38 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 08:47:37 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 07, 2014, 08:32:07 AM
I read an interesting take that Starlin Castro could be flipped for pitching to the Yankees or Mets.
I don't think either of them have any pitching that's worth Castro.
There's Stephen Matz (#10) Rafael Montero (#2) and Noah Syndergaard (#1) with the Mets and Ian Clarkin (#10) and Jose Ramirez (#9) for the Yankees. Not much with the Yankees it appears.
You don't think a package with Syndergaard from the Mets would suffice for Castro?
Are you aware that Syndegaard ahs been lit up in his last several starts? If that list would be revised today, he would not be #1 anymore (I know this because I drafted Syndegaard in my Pederast League last year and have been following him closely). The Mets have cooled on his prospects over the last 6 weeks right after the point he was seriously being discussed as a possible callup this season.
Looks like it's Castro for Hamilton Bennett then.
/SBox joke.
Quote from: PANK! on July 07, 2014, 11:31:21 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 07, 2014, 08:53:38 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 08:47:37 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 07, 2014, 08:32:07 AM
I read an interesting take that Starlin Castro could be flipped for pitching to the Yankees or Mets.
I don't think either of them have any pitching that's worth Castro.
There's Stephen Matz (#10) Rafael Montero (#2) and Noah Syndergaard (#1) with the Mets and Ian Clarkin (#10) and Jose Ramirez (#9) for the Yankees. Not much with the Yankees it appears.
You don't think a package with Syndergaard from the Mets would suffice for Castro?
Are you aware that Syndegaard ahs been lit up in his last several starts? If that list would be revised today, he would not be #1 anymore (I know this because I drafted Syndegaard in my Pederast League last year and have been following him closely). The Mets have cooled on his prospects over the last 6 weeks right after the point he was seriously being discussed as a possible callup this season.
Like I said earlier, that trade isn't my idea. Just something I read on this here internet. Syndergaard did just throw 7 IP of one run ball with 8 K's for the Mets AAA affiliate. He's also 21, a solid 6 years younger than the average player at AAA. So, I wouldn't be too alarmed by him getting knocked around a bit.
And if there's one thing we know for sure, 6 weeks definitely make up a prospect's long term outcome.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 07, 2014, 11:26:22 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 07, 2014, 11:15:30 AM
EPSTINK FUCKED UP
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/madden-theo-epstein-forgets-game-moneyball-article-1.1856368
By that dude's logic, because Epstein was asking for huge compensation from other teams, the huge compensation he got back from Oakland was a defeat. Nowhere does anyone say that the Cardinals, Yankees or whoever were beating down Epstein's door with packages greater than he took from Oakland. It just says he was asking for them. I don't get it.
He says Beane fleeced Epstein. He's got two pitchers, one a free agent at season's end and one with a year left on his deal. Then what? I don't see Oakland meeting Snork's asking price or him coming down any for them. We'll see what Beane is able to flip him for next year and we'll see who fleeced who.
It's the dumbest take on the trade that isn't by Al Yellon.
Quote from: Slaky on July 07, 2014, 12:28:47 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 07, 2014, 11:26:22 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 07, 2014, 11:15:30 AM
EPSTINK FUCKED UP
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/madden-theo-epstein-forgets-game-moneyball-article-1.1856368
By that dude's logic, because Epstein was asking for huge compensation from other teams, the huge compensation he got back from Oakland was a defeat. Nowhere does anyone say that the Cardinals, Yankees or whoever were beating down Epstein's door with packages greater than he took from Oakland. It just says he was asking for them. I don't get it.
He says Beane fleeced Epstein. He's got two pitchers, one a free agent at season's end and one with a year left on his deal. Then what? I don't see Oakland meeting Snork's asking price or him coming down any for them. We'll see what Beane is able to flip him for next year and we'll see who fleeced who.
It's the dumbest take on the trade that isn't by Al Yellon.
Gordo has been surprisingly restrained on this one.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 07, 2014, 11:38:11 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 07, 2014, 11:31:21 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 07, 2014, 08:53:38 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 08:47:37 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 07, 2014, 08:32:07 AM
I read an interesting take that Starlin Castro could be flipped for pitching to the Yankees or Mets.
I don't think either of them have any pitching that's worth Castro.
There's Stephen Matz (#10) Rafael Montero (#2) and Noah Syndergaard (#1) with the Mets and Ian Clarkin (#10) and Jose Ramirez (#9) for the Yankees. Not much with the Yankees it appears.
You don't think a package with Syndergaard from the Mets would suffice for Castro?
Are you aware that Syndegaard ahs been lit up in his last several starts? If that list would be revised today, he would not be #1 anymore (I know this because I drafted Syndegaard in my Pederast League last year and have been following him closely). The Mets have cooled on his prospects over the last 6 weeks right after the point he was seriously being discussed as a possible callup this season.
Like I said earlier, that trade isn't my idea. Just something I read on this here internet. Syndergaard did just throw 7 IP of one run ball with 8 K's for the Mets AAA affiliate. He's also 21, a solid 6 years younger than the average player at AAA. So, I wouldn't be too alarmed by him getting knocked around a bit.
And if there's one thing we know for sure, 6 weeks definitely make up a prospect's long term outcome.
If we're going for Mets pitching, can't we just get Matt Harvey and Zach Wheeler? At least one of their TJs is out of the way.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 07, 2014, 01:10:11 PM
If we're going for Mets pitching, can't we just get Matt Harvey and Zach Wheeler? At least one of their TJs is out of the way.
In my original reply to IAN, I was going to joke that I'd only trade Castro to the Mets for Harvey. But really, I'm not even sure I'd be comfortable with that. Sure, he was a stud and TJ surgery has ever-improving outcomes, but it's no lock that he's the same pitcher afterwards. Or that he wouldn't just get injured again.
Point is, as everyone seems to agree, the idea of trading Castro just to satisfy some sort of obligatory hitting/pitching balance seems ill-advised.
Quote from: Fork on July 07, 2014, 12:31:20 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 07, 2014, 12:28:47 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 07, 2014, 11:26:22 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 07, 2014, 11:15:30 AM
EPSTINK FUCKED UP
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/madden-theo-epstein-forgets-game-moneyball-article-1.1856368
By that dude's logic, because Epstein was asking for huge compensation from other teams, the huge compensation he got back from Oakland was a defeat. Nowhere does anyone say that the Cardinals, Yankees or whoever were beating down Epstein's door with packages greater than he took from Oakland. It just says he was asking for them. I don't get it.
He says Beane fleeced Epstein. He's got two pitchers, one a free agent at season's end and one with a year left on his deal. Then what? I don't see Oakland meeting Snork's asking price or him coming down any for them. We'll see what Beane is able to flip him for next year and we'll see who fleeced who.
It's the dumbest take on the trade that isn't by Al Yellon.
Gordo has been surprisingly restrained on this one.
He hasn't figured out how the cash flow works for this one.
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 01:18:40 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 07, 2014, 01:10:11 PM
If we're going for Mets pitching, can't we just get Matt Harvey and Zach Wheeler? At least one of their TJs is out of the way.
In my original reply to IAN, I was going to joke that I'd only trade Castro to the Mets for Harvey. But really, I'm not even sure I'd be comfortable with that. Sure, he was a stud and TJ surgery has ever-improving outcomes, but it's no lock that he's the same pitcher afterwards. Or that he wouldn't just get injured again.
Point is, as everyone seems to agree, the idea of trading Castro just to satisfy some sort of obligatory hitting/pitching balance seems ill-advised.
It's even more ridiculous when getting above average free agent pitching hasn't been a problem for Theostink so far.
Keep all these young hitters, and kill everyone.
Good article (https://www.numberfire.com/mlb/news/2574/the-samardzija-trade-is-the-latest-example-of-the-cubs-rebuilding-more-effectively-than-the-astros) on how the Cubs are doing a way better job of rebuilding than the Astros, and this doesn't take into account Aiken's broken elbow.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 07, 2014, 02:32:31 PM
Good article (https://www.numberfire.com/mlb/news/2574/the-samardzija-trade-is-the-latest-example-of-the-cubs-rebuilding-more-effectively-than-the-astros) on how the Cubs are doing a way better job of rebuilding than the Astros, and this doesn't take into account Aiken's broken elbow.
Related: As much hype as George Springer gets as the nNext Great Young Player, every time he steps to the plate he is 6 months OLDER than Starlin Castro. That's absolutely staggering.
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 02:40:53 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 07, 2014, 02:32:31 PM
Good article (https://www.numberfire.com/mlb/news/2574/the-samardzija-trade-is-the-latest-example-of-the-cubs-rebuilding-more-effectively-than-the-astros) on how the Cubs are doing a way better job of rebuilding than the Astros, and this doesn't take into account Aiken's broken elbow.
Related: As much hype as George Springer gets as the nNext Great Young Player, every time he steps to the plate he is 6 months OLDER than Starlin Castro. That's absolutely staggering.
This is the funniest take on that yet. I LOL'd.
Also, that article does a good job highlighting that the Astros have basically just tanked and done very little else. The Cubs have aimed to get high picks, yes, but they've done a much, much better job of getting talent through trades and the IFA market (despite a couple painful misses there). It's hard enough to do any full-scale rebuild, but the Astros' way is even harder because it's been basically dependent on one thing.
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 09:08:42 AM
Like SKO said, I'm comfortable with the Cubs just building a massive offense and then throwing shit at the wall for pitching every year.
And, then, if they feel set up to make a push, they can always make like the A's in the mid-season trade market.
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 02:50:26 PM
Also, that article does a good job highlighting that the Astros have basically just tanked and done very little else. The Cubs have aimed to get high picks, yes, but they've done a much, much better job of getting talent through trades and the IFA market (despite a couple painful misses there). It's hard enough to do any full-scale rebuild, but the Astros' way is even harder because it's been basically dependent on one thing.
Also about the only thing the Cubs and Astros have in common is their both bad major league baseball teams. Even with all the bullshit the Cubs will generate a fuckload of revenue from their actual fan base which they have (unlike Houston) and all the other crap once they figure it out.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 07, 2014, 02:51:49 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 09:08:42 AM
Like SKO said, I'm comfortable with the Cubs just building a massive offense and then throwing shit at the wall for pitching every year.
And, then, if they feel set up to make a push, they can always make like the A's in the mid-season trade market.
Throwing shit at the wall, yes. But some of these pitchers they have don't suck. It's not unreasonable to build a strong staff this way. In fact, I think Oakland basically did just that, unless I'm wrong and several of their young arms are all massively high draft picks. And if a transcendent talent like Kershaw or Tanaka grows on your tree of shit, you just lock him up with stupid money that you have because you're rich and pray to Jesus Koresh that he doesn't get Mark Prior disease.
Quote from: Slaky on July 07, 2014, 03:00:02 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 02:50:26 PM
Also, that article does a good job highlighting that the Astros have basically just tanked and done very little else. The Cubs have aimed to get high picks, yes, but they've done a much, much better job of getting talent through trades and the IFA market (despite a couple painful misses there). It's hard enough to do any full-scale rebuild, but the Astros' way is even harder because it's been basically dependent on one thing.
Also about the only thing the Cubs and Astros have in common is their both bad major league baseball teams. Even with all the bullshit the Cubs will generate a fuckload of revenue from their actual fan base which they have (unlike Houston) and all the other crap once they figure it out.
That too. That's another reason why I'm not sure why everyone seems so determined to see the Cubs immediately flip their assets for pitching. Unlike the A's or other small market teams they should be in the hunt for those few valuable starting pitchers who actually hit the market. There's no reason to give up prospects until they've tried building a contending rotation through FA first.
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 02:40:53 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 07, 2014, 02:32:31 PM
Good article (https://www.numberfire.com/mlb/news/2574/the-samardzija-trade-is-the-latest-example-of-the-cubs-rebuilding-more-effectively-than-the-astros) on how the Cubs are doing a way better job of rebuilding than the Astros, and this doesn't take into account Aiken's broken elbow.
Related: As much hype as George Springer gets as the nNext Great Young Player, every time he steps to the plate he is 6 months OLDER than Starlin Castro. That's absolutely staggering.
Wow. Wow.
Quote from: SKO on July 07, 2014, 03:06:09 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 07, 2014, 03:00:02 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 02:50:26 PM
Also, that article does a good job highlighting that the Astros have basically just tanked and done very little else. The Cubs have aimed to get high picks, yes, but they've done a much, much better job of getting talent through trades and the IFA market (despite a couple painful misses there). It's hard enough to do any full-scale rebuild, but the Astros' way is even harder because it's been basically dependent on one thing.
Also about the only thing the Cubs and Astros have in common is their both bad major league baseball teams. Even with all the bullshit the Cubs will generate a fuckload of revenue from their actual fan base which they have (unlike Houston) and all the other crap once they figure it out.
That too. That's another reason why I'm not sure why everyone seems so determined to see the Cubs immediately flip their assets for pitching. Unlike the A's or other small market teams they should be in the hunt for those few valuable starting pitchers who actually hit the market. There's no reason to give up prospects until they've tried building a contending rotation through FA first.
Well I wonder if when they scream I HOPE CASTRO IS RENTING HERF DERF they're saying he'd be traded when one of Russel or Baez proves to be ready. But that doesn't make sense either. That's not how trades work. The ML trade markets are big in the offseason and leading up to July as teams fall out of contention.
You don't just trade Castro or anyone until you can identify a specific need AND you know that someone can fill in for Castro that will produce what he's producing.
In other words talking about trading anyone that actually has a future is fucking stupid. So fuck off with this trade Castro shit.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 07, 2014, 03:05:36 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 07, 2014, 02:51:49 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 09:08:42 AM
Like SKO said, I'm comfortable with the Cubs just building a massive offense and then throwing shit at the wall for pitching every year.
And, then, if they feel set up to make a push, they can always make like the A's in the mid-season trade market.
Throwing shit at the wall, yes. But some of these pitchers they have don't suck. It's not unreasonable to build a strong staff this way. In fact, I think Oakland basically did just that, unless I'm wrong and several of their young arms are all massively high draft picks. And if a transcendent talent like Kershaw or Tanaka grows on your tree of shit, you just lock him up with stupid money that you have because you're rich and pray to Jesus Koresh that he doesn't get Mark Prior disease.
It's a mix.
Sonny Gray, Jarrod Parker, Scott Kazmir and Drew Pomeranz were all 1st round draft picks, but 2 of them were acquired via trade (and both Parker and Pomeranz are hurt.) Also, Pomeranz was basically a bust before he started turning it around for them this year.
Kazmir's journey is well-documented, but basically flamed out at 25 before re-finding way, way post-hype success.
Samardzija was a 5th, but way overslot.
So, you certainly can build a staff this way, but a lot of the A's guys were huge talents who made their way to the A's one way or another, through high picks (Gray), big trades (Parker, Samardzija) or reclamation projects (Pomeranz, Kazmir.)
Even Hammel was a pretty big prospect back with the Rockies.
Jesse Chavez is basically the only one who wasn't targeted for greatness at one point or another.
Quote from: Slaky on July 07, 2014, 03:00:02 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 02:50:26 PM
Also, that article does a good job highlighting that the Astros have basically just tanked and done very little else. The Cubs have aimed to get high picks, yes, but they've done a much, much better job of getting talent through trades and the IFA market (despite a couple painful misses there). It's hard enough to do any full-scale rebuild, but the Astros' way is even harder because it's been basically dependent on one thing.
Also about the only thing the Cubs and Astros have in common is their both bad major league baseball teams. Even with all the bullshit the Cubs will generate a fuckload of revenue from their actual fan base which they have (unlike Houston) and all the other crap once they figure it out.
Well, the Astros were counting on $80 million per year in TV revenue, about double what the Cubs get today. A bankruptcy has interfered with that.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 07, 2014, 03:26:03 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 07, 2014, 03:05:36 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 07, 2014, 02:51:49 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 09:08:42 AM
Like SKO said, I'm comfortable with the Cubs just building a massive offense and then throwing shit at the wall for pitching every year.
And, then, if they feel set up to make a push, they can always make like the A's in the mid-season trade market.
Throwing shit at the wall, yes. But some of these pitchers they have don't suck. It's not unreasonable to build a strong staff this way. In fact, I think Oakland basically did just that, unless I'm wrong and several of their young arms are all massively high draft picks. And if a transcendent talent like Kershaw or Tanaka grows on your tree of shit, you just lock him up with stupid money that you have because you're rich and pray to Jesus Koresh that he doesn't get Mark Prior disease.
It's a mix.
Sonny Gray, Jarrod Parker, Scott Kazmir and Drew Pomeranz were all 1st round draft picks, but 2 of them were acquired via trade (and both Parker and Pomeranz are hurt.) Also, Pomeranz was basically a bust before he started turning it around for them this year.
Kazmir's journey is well-documented, but basically flamed out at 25 before re-finding way, way post-hype success.
Samardzija was a 5th, but way overslot.
So, you certainly can build a staff this way, but a lot of the A's guys were huge talents who made their way to the A's one way or another, through high picks (Gray), big trades (Parker, Samardzija) or reclamation projects (Pomeranz, Kazmir.)
Even Hammel was a pretty big prospect back with the Rockies.
Jesse Chavez is basically the only one who wasn't targeted for greatness at one point or another.
That's about what I figured. By massively high picks, I meant picks of theirs. Whatever they're doing is working.
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 02:40:53 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 07, 2014, 02:32:31 PM
Good article (https://www.numberfire.com/mlb/news/2574/the-samardzija-trade-is-the-latest-example-of-the-cubs-rebuilding-more-effectively-than-the-astros) on how the Cubs are doing a way better job of rebuilding than the Astros, and this doesn't take into account Aiken's broken elbow.
Related: As much hype as George Springer gets as the nNext Great Young Player, every time he steps to the plate he is 6 months OLDER than Starlin Castro. That's absolutely staggering.
I don't see how this is relevant since everybody knows that prospects don't peak until they're 29 year old AAA-ers.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 07, 2014, 03:05:36 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 07, 2014, 02:51:49 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 09:08:42 AM
Like SKO said, I'm comfortable with the Cubs just building a massive offense and then throwing shit at the wall for pitching every year.
And, then, if they feel set up to make a push, they can always make like the A's in the mid-season trade market.
Throwing shit at the wall, yes. But some of these pitchers they have don't suck. It's not unreasonable to build a strong staff this way.
I thought that was more or less what Eli meant when stating his comfort with the "throwing shit at the wall" strategy. At least that's how I read what he said.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 07, 2014, 03:05:36 PMIn fact, I think Oakland basically did just that, unless I'm wrong and several of their young arms are all massively high draft picks.
And this was kind of what
I was driving at. Not to say that their strategy is perfectly identical to the Cubs'. Just that they seem to have done a bit of wall shit throwing of their own and, more to the point, that they haven't necessarily worried about making the blockbuster prospects-for-arms deal
until they've found themselves with the best record in baseball at mid-season and are ready to make a calculated push in with those chips.
More good news. Jorge Soler went 3 for 4 with a double and HR. Just stay on the field.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 07, 2014, 11:02:29 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 07, 2014, 03:05:36 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 07, 2014, 02:51:49 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 09:08:42 AM
Like SKO said, I'm comfortable with the Cubs just building a massive offense and then throwing shit at the wall for pitching every year.
And, then, if they feel set up to make a push, they can always make like the A's in the mid-season trade market.
Throwing shit at the wall, yes. But some of these pitchers they have don't suck. It's not unreasonable to build a strong staff this way.
I thought that was more or less what Eli meant when stating his comfort with the "throwing shit at the wall" strategy. At least that's how I read what he said.
Right. I mean, I don't want them to
literally throw shit at the wall to develop a pitching staff. That's just disgusting.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 08, 2014, 08:49:19 AM
More good news. Jorge Soler went 3 for 4 with a double and HR. Just stay on the field.
In early wagering, I'm putting my money on Soler to be better than all of them at this point.
Quote from: PANK! on July 08, 2014, 09:13:25 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 08, 2014, 08:49:19 AM
More good news. Jorge Soler went 3 for 4 with a double and HR. Just stay on the field.
In early wagering, I'm putting my money on Soler to be better than all of them at this point.
I'm on the fence between Soler and Bryant as to who will be the best. I also think Soler's contract and readiness makes him the most tradeable.
That's really the next big thing to watch with Theo. He's never been shy about trading away young talent to acquire established talent. The question is: from this huge crop he has, who stays and who goes? There's no way that I see him keeping everyone.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 08, 2014, 09:30:58 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 08, 2014, 09:13:25 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 08, 2014, 08:49:19 AM
More good news. Jorge Soler went 3 for 4 with a double and HR. Just stay on the field.
In early wagering, I'm putting my money on Soler to be better than all of them at this point.
I'm on the fence between Soler and Bryant as to who will be the best. I also think Soler's contract and readiness makes him the most tradeable.
That's really the next big thing to watch with Theo. He's never been shy about trading away young talent to acquire established talent. The question is: from this huge crop he has, who stays and who goes? There's no way that I see him keeping everyone.
Why not? You can start spending on FAs in the next 2 seasons, to supplement need. It's ok to have multiple good prospects, even if they play the same position.
Quote from: BH on July 08, 2014, 09:34:38 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 08, 2014, 09:30:58 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 08, 2014, 09:13:25 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 08, 2014, 08:49:19 AM
More good news. Jorge Soler went 3 for 4 with a double and HR. Just stay on the field.
In early wagering, I'm putting my money on Soler to be better than all of them at this point.
I'm on the fence between Soler and Bryant as to who will be the best. I also think Soler's contract and readiness makes him the most tradeable.
That's really the next big thing to watch with Theo. He's never been shy about trading away young talent to acquire established talent. The question is: from this huge crop he has, who stays and who goes? There's no way that I see him keeping everyone.
Why not? You can start spending on FAs in the next 2 seasons, to supplement need. It's ok to have multiple good prospects, even if they play the same position.
At the very least I don't expect any of them to be traded soon until you have an idea of who will really be the best at the major league level.
Quote from: SKO on July 08, 2014, 09:40:11 AM
Quote from: BH on July 08, 2014, 09:34:38 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 08, 2014, 09:30:58 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 08, 2014, 09:13:25 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 08, 2014, 08:49:19 AM
More good news. Jorge Soler went 3 for 4 with a double and HR. Just stay on the field.
In early wagering, I'm putting my money on Soler to be better than all of them at this point.
I'm on the fence between Soler and Bryant as to who will be the best. I also think Soler's contract and readiness makes him the most tradeable.
That's really the next big thing to watch with Theo. He's never been shy about trading away young talent to acquire established talent. The question is: from this huge crop he has, who stays and who goes? There's no way that I see him keeping everyone.
Why not? You can start spending on FAs in the next 2 seasons, to supplement need. It's ok to have multiple good prospects, even if they play the same position.
At the very least I don't expect any of them to be traded soon until you have an idea of who will really be the best at the major league level.
And we'll finally get to trade for Brian Roberts.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 08, 2014, 09:43:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 08, 2014, 09:40:11 AM
Quote from: BH on July 08, 2014, 09:34:38 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 08, 2014, 09:30:58 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 08, 2014, 09:13:25 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 08, 2014, 08:49:19 AM
More good news. Jorge Soler went 3 for 4 with a double and HR. Just stay on the field.
In early wagering, I'm putting my money on Soler to be better than all of them at this point.
I'm on the fence between Soler and Bryant as to who will be the best. I also think Soler's contract and readiness makes him the most tradeable.
That's really the next big thing to watch with Theo. He's never been shy about trading away young talent to acquire established talent. The question is: from this huge crop he has, who stays and who goes? There's no way that I see him keeping everyone.
Why not? You can start spending on FAs in the next 2 seasons, to supplement need. It's ok to have multiple good prospects, even if they play the same position.
At the very least I don't expect any of them to be traded soon until you have an idea of who will really be the best at the major league level.
And we'll finally get to trade for Brian Roberts. Aaron Hill
IAN's mancrush from the mid-aughts'd.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 08, 2014, 09:30:58 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 08, 2014, 09:13:25 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 08, 2014, 08:49:19 AM
More good news. Jorge Soler went 3 for 4 with a double and HR. Just stay on the field.
In early wagering, I'm putting my money on Soler to be better than all of them at this point.
I'm on the fence between Soler and Bryant as to who will be the best. I also think Soler's contract and readiness makes him the most tradeable.
That's really the next big thing to watch with Theo. He's never been shy about trading away young talent to acquire established talent. The question is: from this huge crop he has, who stays and who goes? There's no way that I see him keeping everyone.
So, Soler/Barney for Giancarlo? Make it hai!
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 08, 2014, 09:30:58 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 08, 2014, 09:13:25 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 08, 2014, 08:49:19 AM
More good news. Jorge Soler went 3 for 4 with a double and HR. Just stay on the field.
In early wagering, I'm putting my money on Soler to be better than all of them at this point.
I'm on the fence between Soler and Bryant as to who will be the best. I also think Soler's contract and readiness makes him the most tradeable.
That's really the next big thing to watch with Theo. He's never been shy about trading away young talent to acquire established talent. The question is: from this huge crop he has, who stays and who goes? There's no way that I see him keeping everyone.
If you think Theo isn't increasingly likely to trade away young talent, you haven't been paying attention.
Quote from: R-V on July 08, 2014, 10:15:16 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 08, 2014, 09:30:58 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 08, 2014, 09:13:25 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 08, 2014, 08:49:19 AM
More good news. Jorge Soler went 3 for 4 with a double and HR. Just stay on the field.
In early wagering, I'm putting my money on Soler to be better than all of them at this point.
I'm on the fence between Soler and Bryant as to who will be the best. I also think Soler's contract and readiness makes him the most tradeable.
That's really the next big thing to watch with Theo. He's never been shy about trading away young talent to acquire established talent. The question is: from this huge crop he has, who stays and who goes? There's no way that I see him keeping everyone.
If you think Theo isn't increasingly likely to trade away young talent, you haven't been paying attention.
He traded $ner
Let's not put the cart before the horse here. There is a pipeline fat with players who will supply the major league club with talent either through their own presence or what they bring in trade. But for now, let's just sit back, relax and think about how every GM in baseball wishes they could be Jepstink for the next 3-5 years.
Quote from: PANK! on July 08, 2014, 09:13:25 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 08, 2014, 08:49:19 AM
More good news. Jorge Soler went 3 for 4 with a double and HR. Just stay on the field.
In early wagering, I'm putting my money on Soler to be better than all of them at this point.
They'll all be Hall of Famers.
Who'll be?
Soler (RF), Almora (CF), Bryant (LF), Baez (3B), Schwarber (c), Rizzo (1B), Castro (2B), Russell (SS), McKinney (DH), Alacantra (Short-center), Beeler (SP), Hendricks (SP), Edwards (SP), Arrieta (SP), Straily (SP), Neil Ramirez (RP), Strop (RP) and Rondon (RP). No trades necessary. The best free agent pinch hitters and middle relievers (and by that I mean regulars on any other team) will just Andre Dawson their way onto the Cubs. Ten World Series in a row (2015-2024, a year off for the 2025 players strike, and then 5 more in a row with 2 years off for World War III). Post World War III, I'm not sure what'll happen, but you'll get commentators still saying the 1985 Bears were the greatest Chicago sports team ever (depsite the Blackhawks 12 Stanley Cups during that stretch), and Sox fans still babbling about 2005 and crowing that the 2033 Cubs will have to rebuild, that Epstink had left the cupboard bare.
Epstink is terrible.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 07, 2014, 11:02:29 PM
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Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 09:08:42 AM
Like SKO said, I'm comfortable with the Cubs just building a massive offense and then throwing shit at the wall for pitching every year.
And, then, if they feel set up to make a push, they can always make like the A's in the mid-season trade market.
Throwing shit at the wall, yes. But some of these pitchers they have don't suck. It's not unreasonable to build a strong staff this way.
I thought that was more or less what Eli meant when stating his comfort with the "throwing shit at the wall" strategy. At least that's how I read what he said.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 07, 2014, 03:05:36 PMIn fact, I think Oakland basically did just that, unless I'm wrong and several of their young arms are all massively high draft picks.
And this was kind of what I was driving at. Not to say that their strategy is perfectly identical to the Cubs'. Just that they seem to have done a bit of wall shit throwing of their own and, more to the point, that they haven't necessarily worried about making the blockbuster prospects-for-arms deal until they've found themselves with the best record in baseball at mid-season and are ready to make a calculated push in with those chips.
You must expect me to read everything you post on here. Jesus.
Quote from: R-V on July 08, 2014, 10:15:16 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 08, 2014, 09:30:58 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 08, 2014, 09:13:25 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 08, 2014, 08:49:19 AM
More good news. Jorge Soler went 3 for 4 with a double and HR. Just stay on the field.
In early wagering, I'm putting my money on Soler to be better than all of them at this point.
I'm on the fence between Soler and Bryant as to who will be the best. I also think Soler's contract and readiness makes him the most tradeable.
That's really the next big thing to watch with Theo. He's never been shy about trading away young talent to acquire established talent. The question is: from this huge crop he has, who stays and who goes? There's no way that I see him keeping everyone.
If you think Theo isn't increasingly likely to trade away young talent, you haven't been paying attention.
Far be it from me to stick up for Chuck, but isn't this what he's saying?
Unless I'm just confused by the double negatives.
Seriously, how many of these guys right now project into everyday Major Leaguers? Soler, Bryant, Baez, Russell for sure. Rizzo and Castro already are All-Stars. Arrieta and Straily have proven they can pitch every 5th day, and both have shown signs they can be at the front-end of the rotation someday. (Straily might be the real darkhorse of this trade). It's probably too early to know for certain about Schwarber or McKinney, but indications are good. Alacantra is the guy no one has talked about until this month. Plus, we haven't even mentioned 24-year-old Junior Lake (useful Major League reserve), 27-year-old Wellington Castillo, 27-year-old Travis Wood and 25-year-old Justin Grimm. And Mike Olt might turn out to be a dud, but he's 25, and probably could be a piece of a deal.
We can assume Luis Valbuena and Emilio Bonifacio, valuable and breathing Major Leaguers, can be traded for valuable talent as well.
Quote from: Brownie on July 08, 2014, 10:31:01 AM
Seriously, how many of these guys right now project into everyday Major Leaguers? Soler, Bryant, Baez, Russell for sure. Rizzo and Castro already are All-Stars. Arrieta and Straily have proven they can pitch every 5th day, and both have shown signs they can be at the front-end of the rotation someday. (Straily might be the real darkhorse of this trade). It's probably too early to know for certain about Schwarber or McKinney, but indications are good. Alacantra is the guy no one has talked about until this month. Plus, we haven't even mentioned 24-year-old Junior Lake (useful Major League reserve), 27-year-old Wellington Castillo, 27-year-old Travis Wood and 25-year-old Justin Grimm. And Mike Olt might turn out to be a dud, but he's 25, and probably could be a piece of a deal.
We can assume Luis Valbuena and Emilio Bonifacio, valuable and breathing Major Leaguers, can be traded for valuable talent as well.
If I had to guess who the guys that are most likely to succeed at the next level, I'd go with Bryant, Soler and Russell. I don't know enough about Schwarber yet to say he is going to be that good, but his arrow is pointing in the Bryant, Soler, Russell direction.
And the difference between Arrieta and Straily is that Arrieta seems to have turned it around and figured out how to pitch and pitch with more command effectively. Straily, on the other hand, is a 4+ ERA pitcher in the major leagues so far. But, he is 25 and he's now in the Cubs organization, which has sort of been good at pitching projects lately.
Quote from: Brownie on July 08, 2014, 10:31:01 AM
Seriously, how many of these guys right now project into everyday Major Leaguers? Soler, Bryant, Baez, Russell for sure. Rizzo and Castro already are All-Stars. Arrieta and Straily have proven they can pitch every 5th day, and both have shown signs they can be at the front-end of the rotation someday. (Straily might be the real darkhorse of this trade). It's probably too early to know for certain about Schwarber or McKinney, but indications are good. Alacantra is the guy no one has talked about until this month. Plus, we haven't even mentioned 24-year-old Junior Lake (useful Major League reserve), 27-year-old Wellington Castillo, 27-year-old Travis Wood and 25-year-old Justin Grimm. And Mike Olt might turn out to be a dud, but he's 25, and probably could be a piece of a deal.
We can assume Luis Valbuena and Emilio Bonifacio, valuable and breathing Major Leaguers, can be traded for valuable talent as well.
You didn't even mention Almora.
Also, some of them are a ways out, but Eloy, Gleyber, Jen-Ho, Hannemann and Zagunis are all major league hopefuls.
Other guys like Charcer Burks, Jeffrey Baez, Jake Stinnett, Chesny Young, all in play as well.
That doesn't even include the arms like Johnson, Underwood, Edwards, Zastryzny, Skulina and the 3 high school arms from this year's draft.
There are so, so many guys to be excited about right now.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2014, 10:28:56 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 08, 2014, 10:15:16 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 08, 2014, 09:30:58 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 08, 2014, 09:13:25 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 08, 2014, 08:49:19 AM
More good news. Jorge Soler went 3 for 4 with a double and HR. Just stay on the field.
In early wagering, I'm putting my money on Soler to be better than all of them at this point.
I'm on the fence between Soler and Bryant as to who will be the best. I also think Soler's contract and readiness makes him the most tradeable.
That's really the next big thing to watch with Theo. He's never been shy about trading away young talent to acquire established talent. The question is: from this huge crop he has, who stays and who goes? There's no way that I see him keeping everyone.
If you think Theo isn't increasingly likely to trade away young talent, you haven't been paying attention.
Far be it from me to stick up for Chuck, but isn't this what he's saying?
Unless I'm just confused by the double negatives.
You DO suck at memes.
Quote from: Eli on July 08, 2014, 10:42:41 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2014, 10:28:56 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 08, 2014, 10:15:16 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 08, 2014, 09:30:58 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 08, 2014, 09:13:25 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 08, 2014, 08:49:19 AM
More good news. Jorge Soler went 3 for 4 with a double and HR. Just stay on the field.
In early wagering, I'm putting my money on Soler to be better than all of them at this point.
I'm on the fence between Soler and Bryant as to who will be the best. I also think Soler's contract and readiness makes him the most tradeable.
That's really the next big thing to watch with Theo. He's never been shy about trading away young talent to acquire established talent. The question is: from this huge crop he has, who stays and who goes? There's no way that I see him keeping everyone.
If you think Theo isn't increasingly likely to trade away young talent, you haven't been paying attention.
Far be it from me to stick up for Chuck, but isn't this what he's saying?
Unless I'm just confused by the double negatives.
You DO suck at memes.
I have no idea what's going on.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2014, 10:39:08 AM
Quote from: Brownie on July 08, 2014, 10:31:01 AM
Seriously, how many of these guys right now project into everyday Major Leaguers? Soler, Bryant, Baez, Russell for sure. Rizzo and Castro already are All-Stars. Arrieta and Straily have proven they can pitch every 5th day, and both have shown signs they can be at the front-end of the rotation someday. (Straily might be the real darkhorse of this trade). It's probably too early to know for certain about Schwarber or McKinney, but indications are good. Alacantra is the guy no one has talked about until this month. Plus, we haven't even mentioned 24-year-old Junior Lake (useful Major League reserve), 27-year-old Wellington Castillo, 27-year-old Travis Wood and 25-year-old Justin Grimm. And Mike Olt might turn out to be a dud, but he's 25, and probably could be a piece of a deal.
We can assume Luis Valbuena and Emilio Bonifacio, valuable and breathing Major Leaguers, can be traded for valuable talent as well.
You didn't even mention Almora.
Or Corey Black (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=black-002cor), who's been pretty nifty in his 100+IP for the Cubs so far.
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 02:40:53 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 07, 2014, 02:32:31 PM
Good article (https://www.numberfire.com/mlb/news/2574/the-samardzija-trade-is-the-latest-example-of-the-cubs-rebuilding-more-effectively-than-the-astros) on how the Cubs are doing a way better job of rebuilding than the Astros, and this doesn't take into account Aiken's broken elbow.
Related: As much hype as George Springer gets as the nNext Great Young Player, every time he steps to the plate he is 6 months OLDER 50% closer to his next birthday than Starlin Castro. That's absolutely staggering.
More Gil'ed.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2014, 10:45:16 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 08, 2014, 10:42:41 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2014, 10:28:56 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 08, 2014, 10:15:16 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 08, 2014, 09:30:58 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 08, 2014, 09:13:25 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 08, 2014, 08:49:19 AM
More good news. Jorge Soler went 3 for 4 with a double and HR. Just stay on the field.
In early wagering, I'm putting my money on Soler to be better than all of them at this point.
I'm on the fence between Soler and Bryant as to who will be the best. I also think Soler's contract and readiness makes him the most tradeable.
That's really the next big thing to watch with Theo. He's never been shy about trading away young talent to acquire established talent. The question is: from this huge crop he has, who stays and who goes? There's no way that I see him keeping everyone.
If you think Theo isn't increasingly likely to trade away young talent, you haven't been paying attention.
Far be it from me to stick up for Chuck, but isn't this what he's saying?
Unless I'm just confused by the double negatives.
You DO suck at memes.
I have no idea what's going on.
This (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8079.msg253327#msg253327) might help.
Quote from: R-V on July 08, 2014, 12:14:38 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2014, 10:45:16 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 08, 2014, 10:42:41 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2014, 10:28:56 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 08, 2014, 10:15:16 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 08, 2014, 09:30:58 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 08, 2014, 09:13:25 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 08, 2014, 08:49:19 AM
More good news. Jorge Soler went 3 for 4 with a double and HR. Just stay on the field.
In early wagering, I'm putting my money on Soler to be better than all of them at this point.
I'm on the fence between Soler and Bryant as to who will be the best. I also think Soler's contract and readiness makes him the most tradeable.
That's really the next big thing to watch with Theo. He's never been shy about trading away young talent to acquire established talent. The question is: from this huge crop he has, who stays and who goes? There's no way that I see him keeping everyone.
If you think Theo isn't increasingly likely to trade away young talent, you haven't been paying attention.
Far be it from me to stick up for Chuck, but isn't this what he's saying?
Unless I'm just confused by the double negatives.
You DO suck at memes.
I have no idea what's going on.
This (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8079.msg253327#msg253327) might help.
Okay, appreciated.
/kills self for forgetting meme
//kills self twice for needing a meme explained
The midseason BP Top 50 is out. Top 10 below, and all other Cubs who made the list.
1. OF Byron Buxton, Twins
2. SS Carlos Correa, Astros
3. 3B Kris Bryant, CUBS4. SS Francisco Lindor, Indians
5. SS Javier Baez, CUBS6. SS Addison Russell, CUBS7. RHP Lucas Giolito, Nationals
8. RHP Dylan Bundy, Orioles
9. RHP Noah Syndergaard, Mets
10. RHP Robert Stephenson, Reds
18. 2B Arismendy Alcantara, CUBS37. OF Albert Almora, CUBSWhere's Soler?
Quote from: Nick Faleris, BPI imagine he will be back in the Top 50 with a strong summer/fall and some improved reports on makeup.
Where's Schwarber?
Quote from: BP's Explanation (they don't rank recent draftees)Kyle Schwarber (C/OF, Cubs)
Where he fits: Somewhere after Hunter Renfroe (44th)
Schwarber was the most advanced collegiate bat in the draft class, with an ability to hit for plus in-game power without sacrificing average. He puts together professional at bats, shows well against top competition, and has a general knack for finding his pitch and driving it. At present he's being permitted to feast upon heavily overmatched Low-A arms, and likely won't face his first real professional challenge until Double-A (or perhaps the Arizona Fall League if he finds a spot on the taxi squad). The BP Prospect Team loves catchers, so his ranking on the Top 101 might be largely dictated by the position at which the Cubs elect to stick him. If it looks like he is destined for first base, he won't debut on the Top 101 as high as organization mate Kris Bryant (17th last winter), but he could fit comfortably in the Top 60 or so with a solid 2014 pro showing.
Capsules, for non-subscribers:
3. 3B Kris Bryant (Cubs)Placement on pre-season 101: #17
Current MiLB level/Affiliate: Triple-A Iowa
Developmental Update: Bryant continues to launch home runs, rack up strikeouts, rake at an eye-popping clip, and show a discerning eye at the plate. Through 371 plate appearances between Double A and Triple A, Bryant is slashing .357/.453/.717 and finds himself knocking on Wrigley's door. He has proven himself without question to be the loudest bat in the minors and a potential impact mainstay in the middle of the Cubs order for the foreseeable future. –Nick Faleris
5. SS Javier Baez (Cubs)Placement on pre-season 101: #4
Current MiLB level/Affiliate: Triple-A Iowa
Developmental Update: Baez has the best bat speed in the minors, and it's not even close for me; a lethal weapon that could make him the premium power bat in the game. But his approach is below average, and he routinely puts himself in bad hitter's counts and conditions. With more refinement, the ceiling is cathedral but the risk is still quite high despite the fact that the 21-year-old is more than holding his own at the Triple-A level. –Jason Parks
And which of you morans did this? Nice work.
Quote from: djones85why didnt Parks take credit for Baez getting night vision cornea's implanted?
6. SS Addison Russell (Cubs)Placement on pre-season 101: #7
Current MiLB level/Affiliate: Double-A Tennessee
Developmental Update: From a skill-set perspective, Addison Russell has the most well-rounded profile at the shortstop position in the minors, with above-average chops in the field (including double-plus hands), and impact potential with both the hit and power tools. Russell has lost half a season to injury, but could challenge for the top spot in the minors with a strong second half. The ultimate upside is a perennial all-star at a premium spot, and the future could start as early as 2015. –Jason Parks
18. 2B Arismendy Alcantara (Cubs)Placement on pre-season 101: #83
Current MiLB level/Affiliate: Triple-A Iowa
Developmental Update: I've always liked Alcantara, but I was too low on him coming into the season, despite a skill set that has three-way impact potential at the highest level (hit/glove/run). Now that the 22-year-old has taken his talents to Triple-A, and exceeded expectations at the plate and on base, the future first-division player has jumped the list and emerged as a top 20 prospect in the game. --Jason Parks
37. OF Albert Almora (Cubs)Placement on pre-season 101: #25
Current MiLB level/Affiliate: High-A Daytona
Developmental Update: Almora's had a rough start to his season. His lack of production in half a season at High-A as a 20-year-old shouldn't obfuscate the tools he still has. Almora makes loud, consistent contact and plays a very good center field due to his ability to make early reads off the bat. The baseball IQ is high and it helps the other tools play up. He's not the sexy name in the Cubs system, but don't forget about him. –Mauricio Rubio
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 08, 2014, 12:40:13 PM
And which of you morans did this? Nice work.
Quote from: djones85why didnt Parks take credit for Baez getting night vision cornea's implanted?
This guy: http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?action=profile;u=2670
Almost to the end: http://obstructedview.net/about-us
https://twitter.com/dylanj85
And, who can forget: http://web.archive.org/web/20101120022124/http://anothercubsblog.net/2010-articles/february/starf-kers-inc.html
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2014, 12:15:47 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 08, 2014, 12:14:38 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2014, 10:45:16 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 08, 2014, 10:42:41 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2014, 10:28:56 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 08, 2014, 10:15:16 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 08, 2014, 09:30:58 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 08, 2014, 09:13:25 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 08, 2014, 08:49:19 AM
More good news. Jorge Soler went 3 for 4 with a double and HR. Just stay on the field.
In early wagering, I'm putting my money on Soler to be better than all of them at this point.
I'm on the fence between Soler and Bryant as to who will be the best. I also think Soler's contract and readiness makes him the most tradeable.
That's really the next big thing to watch with Theo. He's never been shy about trading away young talent to acquire established talent. The question is: from this huge crop he has, who stays and who goes? There's no way that I see him keeping everyone.
If you think Theo isn't increasingly likely to trade away young talent, you haven't been paying attention.
Far be it from me to stick up for Chuck, but isn't this what he's saying?
Unless I'm just confused by the double negatives.
You DO suck at memes.
I have no idea what's going on.
This (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8079.msg253327#msg253327) might help.
Okay, appreciated.
/kills self for forgetting meme
//kills self twice for needing a meme explained
The only thing better than forgetting a meme is the deals.
Quote from: Yeti on July 08, 2014, 12:48:08 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 08, 2014, 12:40:13 PM
And which of you morans did this? Nice work.
Quote from: djones85why didnt Parks take credit for Baez getting night vision cornea's implanted?
This guy: http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?action=profile;u=2670
Almost to the end: http://obstructedview.net/about-us
https://twitter.com/dylanj85
And, who can forget: http://web.archive.org/web/20101120022124/http://anothercubsblog.net/2010-articles/february/starf-kers-inc.html
He's also the "Tournament of Douche" guy.
You can start here (http://hje.me/ci/sbox/day/2010/2/4/p103477317#p103477317) for some good SBox action.
Also, it seems to be gone, but he's also the guy who pre-wrote his SBox posts and then copy/pasta'd them in.
And...that was the end of that.
Edited to include: Some more goodies here (http://hirejimessian.com/2008/08/15/rock-the-vote/)
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2014, 12:57:06 PM
Quote from: Yeti on July 08, 2014, 12:48:08 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 08, 2014, 12:40:13 PM
And which of you morans did this? Nice work.
Quote from: djones85why didnt Parks take credit for Baez getting night vision cornea's implanted?
This guy: http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?action=profile;u=2670
Almost to the end: http://obstructedview.net/about-us
https://twitter.com/dylanj85
And, who can forget: http://web.archive.org/web/20101120022124/http://anothercubsblog.net/2010-articles/february/starf-kers-inc.html
He's also the "Tournament of Douche" guy.
You can start here (http://hje.me/ci/sbox/day/2010/2/4/p103477317#p103477317) for some good SBox action.
Also, it seems to be gone, but he's also the guy who pre-wrote his SBox posts and then copy/pasta'd them in.
And...that was the end of that.
Edited to include: Some more goodies here (http://hirejimessian.com/2008/08/15/rock-the-vote/)
The day I betrayed you all
Quote from: Yeti on July 08, 2014, 01:03:56 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2014, 12:57:06 PM
Quote from: Yeti on July 08, 2014, 12:48:08 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 08, 2014, 12:40:13 PM
And which of you morans did this? Nice work.
Quote from: djones85why didnt Parks take credit for Baez getting night vision cornea's implanted?
This guy: http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?action=profile;u=2670
Almost to the end: http://obstructedview.net/about-us
https://twitter.com/dylanj85
And, who can forget: http://web.archive.org/web/20101120022124/http://anothercubsblog.net/2010-articles/february/starf-kers-inc.html
He's also the "Tournament of Douche" guy.
You can start here (http://hje.me/ci/sbox/day/2010/2/4/p103477317#p103477317) for some good SBox action.
Also, it seems to be gone, but he's also the guy who pre-wrote his SBox posts and then copy/pasta'd them in.
And...that was the end of that.
Edited to include: Some more goodies here (http://hirejimessian.com/2008/08/15/rock-the-vote/)
The day I betrayed you all
What a little bitch you were.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2014, 01:08:30 PM
Quote from: Yeti on July 08, 2014, 01:03:56 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2014, 12:57:06 PM
Quote from: Yeti on July 08, 2014, 12:48:08 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 08, 2014, 12:40:13 PM
And which of you morans did this? Nice work.
Quote from: djones85why didnt Parks take credit for Baez getting night vision cornea's implanted?
This guy: http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?action=profile;u=2670
Almost to the end: http://obstructedview.net/about-us
https://twitter.com/dylanj85
And, who can forget: http://web.archive.org/web/20101120022124/http://anothercubsblog.net/2010-articles/february/starf-kers-inc.html
He's also the "Tournament of Douche" guy.
You can start here (http://hje.me/ci/sbox/day/2010/2/4/p103477317#p103477317) for some good SBox action.
Also, it seems to be gone, but he's also the guy who pre-wrote his SBox posts and then copy/pasta'd them in.
And...that was the end of that.
Edited to include: Some more goodies here (http://hirejimessian.com/2008/08/15/rock-the-vote/)
The day I betrayed you all
What a little bitch you were.
Anyone see BK's standup yet? I thought he passed away.
Also, as a follow-up to the Top 50 prospects, Manny Ramirez had a legit question.
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Manny (Iowa): I know the difference between #1 and #3 is splitting hairs, but can you make the case for Kris Bryant being no doubt #1 prospect in the game? Has absolutely demolished AA and now AAA, where as Buxton and Correa have battled injuries and never been above A ball. Their ceilings that much higher?
Jason Parks on the Top 50: Bryant has a case. As good as he will be, I don't think he profiles at a premium spot with a premium ceiling, like Buxton and Correa. Keep in mind that both Buxton and Correa were high school draftees and they aren't in the same spot as Bryant--developmentally speaking. That makes the projections more abstract--which can make ranking them alongside polished college mashers quite difficult.
So, Bryant has a case to be the best prospect in baseball. w00t!
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2014, 01:08:30 PM
Quote from: Yeti on July 08, 2014, 01:03:56 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2014, 12:57:06 PM
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 08, 2014, 12:40:13 PM
And which of you morans did this? Nice work.
Quote from: djones85why didnt Parks take credit for Baez getting night vision cornea's implanted?
This guy: http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?action=profile;u=2670
Almost to the end: http://obstructedview.net/about-us
https://twitter.com/dylanj85
And, who can forget: http://web.archive.org/web/20101120022124/http://anothercubsblog.net/2010-articles/february/starf-kers-inc.html
He's also the "Tournament of Douche" guy.
You can start here (http://hje.me/ci/sbox/day/2010/2/4/p103477317#p103477317) for some good SBox action.
Also, it seems to be gone, but he's also the guy who pre-wrote his SBox posts and then copy/pasta'd them in.
And...that was the end of that.
Edited to include: Some more goodies here (http://hirejimessian.com/2008/08/15/rock-the-vote/)
The day I betrayed you all
What a little bitch you were.
Also, this is a dylanj joint (http://firealyellon.wordpress.com/) as well.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 08, 2014, 12:40:13 PM
6. SS Addison Russell (Cubs)
Placement on pre-season 101: #7
Current MiLB level/Affiliate: Double-A Tennessee
Developmental Update: From a skill-set perspective, Addison Russell has the most well-rounded profile at the shortstop position in the minors, with above-average chops in the field (including double-plus hands), and impact potential with both the hit and power tools. Russell has lost half a season to injury, but could challenge for the top spot in the minors with a strong second half. The ultimate upside is a perennial all-star at a premium spot, and the future could start as early as 2015. –Jason Parks
The A's had projected him to be their starter next year right? Is it realistic to think he'll be up next year?
Quote from: Tony on July 08, 2014, 01:19:39 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 08, 2014, 12:40:13 PM
6. SS Addison Russell (Cubs)
Placement on pre-season 101: #7
Current MiLB level/Affiliate: Double-A Tennessee
Developmental Update: From a skill-set perspective, Addison Russell has the most well-rounded profile at the shortstop position in the minors, with above-average chops in the field (including double-plus hands), and impact potential with both the hit and power tools. Russell has lost half a season to injury, but could challenge for the top spot in the minors with a strong second half. The ultimate upside is a perennial all-star at a premium spot, and the future could start as early as 2015. –Jason Parks
The A's had projected him to be their starter next year right? Is it realistic to think he'll be up next year?
Oakland didn't have Castro and Baez in front of him.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 30, 2014, 03:58:41 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 30, 2014, 03:54:42 PM
Smokies' pitcher Dae-Eun Rhee named Southern League player of the week.
That's 4, if you're counting at home.
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The 25-year-old righty allowed just two earned runs in 12.2 innings of work last week, striking out 13 and walking 3.
Rhee's 25 and in AA, so I wonder if he keeps it up we could see a Dallas Beeler like cameo. BN claims he was once a top prospect.
Back to Alcantara. That's some damn fine baseballing. I guess it's not too bold to say he could be the first of the three that will be called up.
Rhee just got promoted to Iowa since Iowa's entire pitching staff got called up to Chicago.
Still just 25...could be worth watching.
Quote from: Fork on July 08, 2014, 01:25:30 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 08, 2014, 01:19:39 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 08, 2014, 12:40:13 PM
6. SS Addison Russell (Cubs)
Placement on pre-season 101: #7
Current MiLB level/Affiliate: Double-A Tennessee
Developmental Update: From a skill-set perspective, Addison Russell has the most well-rounded profile at the shortstop position in the minors, with above-average chops in the field (including double-plus hands), and impact potential with both the hit and power tools. Russell has lost half a season to injury, but could challenge for the top spot in the minors with a strong second half. The ultimate upside is a perennial all-star at a premium spot, and the future could start as early as 2015. –Jason Parks
The A's had projected him to be their starter next year right? Is it realistic to think he'll be up next year?
Oakland didn't have Castro and Baez in front of him.
Well Castro is going to be around for a long time, so I guess we'll just wait for him to retire before we see Russell.
Quote from: Tony on July 08, 2014, 01:29:01 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 08, 2014, 01:25:30 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 08, 2014, 01:19:39 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 08, 2014, 12:40:13 PM
6. SS Addison Russell (Cubs)
Placement on pre-season 101: #7
Current MiLB level/Affiliate: Double-A Tennessee
Developmental Update: From a skill-set perspective, Addison Russell has the most well-rounded profile at the shortstop position in the minors, with above-average chops in the field (including double-plus hands), and impact potential with both the hit and power tools. Russell has lost half a season to injury, but could challenge for the top spot in the minors with a strong second half. The ultimate upside is a perennial all-star at a premium spot, and the future could start as early as 2015. –Jason Parks
The A's had projected him to be their starter next year right? Is it realistic to think he'll be up next year?
Oakland didn't have Castro and Baez in front of him.
Well Castro is going to be around for a long time, so I guess we'll just wait for him to retire before we see Russell.
It's pretty obvious that all three of them will play SS at the same time.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 08, 2014, 01:38:47 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 08, 2014, 01:29:01 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 08, 2014, 01:25:30 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 08, 2014, 01:19:39 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 08, 2014, 12:40:13 PM
6. SS Addison Russell (Cubs)
Placement on pre-season 101: #7
Current MiLB level/Affiliate: Double-A Tennessee
Developmental Update: From a skill-set perspective, Addison Russell has the most well-rounded profile at the shortstop position in the minors, with above-average chops in the field (including double-plus hands), and impact potential with both the hit and power tools. Russell has lost half a season to injury, but could challenge for the top spot in the minors with a strong second half. The ultimate upside is a perennial all-star at a premium spot, and the future could start as early as 2015. –Jason Parks
The A's had projected him to be their starter next year right? Is it realistic to think he'll be up next year?
Oakland didn't have Castro and Baez in front of him.
Well Castro is going to be around for a long time, so I guess we'll just wait for him to retire before we see Russell.
It's pretty obvious that all three of them will play SS at the same time.
(http://nbchardballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/screen-shot-2014-03-04-at-4-03-43-pm.png?w=758&h=476)
Quote from: Tony on July 08, 2014, 01:19:39 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 08, 2014, 12:40:13 PM
6. SS Addison Russell (Cubs)
Placement on pre-season 101: #7
Current MiLB level/Affiliate: Double-A Tennessee
Developmental Update: From a skill-set perspective, Addison Russell has the most well-rounded profile at the shortstop position in the minors, with above-average chops in the field (including double-plus hands), and impact potential with both the hit and power tools. Russell has lost half a season to injury, but could challenge for the top spot in the minors with a strong second half. The ultimate upside is a perennial all-star at a premium spot, and the future could start as early as 2015. –Jason Parks
The A's had projected him to be their starter next year right? Is it realistic to think he'll be up next year?
Most of the A's fans I talked to said Russell was supposed to be up later this year but his injury delayed things.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2014, 01:44:26 PM
(http://nbchardballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/screen-shot-2014-03-04-at-4-03-43-pm.png?w=758&h=476)
Let's hope Almora's range is as good as advertised.
Meant to post this over the weekend about the trade. If you like baseball and reading things then you should spend the lousy $30 a year to subscribe to Joe Sheehan's newsletter which is always a fun read.
QuoteThe Joe Sheehan Newsletter
Vol. 6, No. 39
July 5, 2014
Cubs trade RHP Jeff Samardzija and RHP Jason Hammel to Athletics for SS Addison Russell, OF Billy McKinney and RHP Dan Straily
Let's start with this: Hammel for Straily is a wash, for all intents and purposes. If you think that's ungenerous, think about what the reaction would have been three months ago if the A's had made that deal. Think about what Beane's reaction would have been had Jed Hoyer called him up with that offer. Hammel has outpitched Straily for the last three months, but Straily was better and more healthy last year. In 2012 Straily was more healthy, and comparable on a per-inning basis. Hammel hasn't thrown more innings than Straily since 2011, and just barely then. Whatever performance gap may exist between the two for the next 16 starts they'll make in 2014 is dwarfed by the control of Straily the Cubs will have, while Hammel hits the market looking for Matt Garza money.
That leaves Samardzija for the two prospects, which is a huge win for the Cubs. Huge. Even for a team lousy with hitting prospects, adding Russell has an impact. He's the best defender of the Russell/Javier Baez/Starlin Castro group and is 13 months younger than Baez is. Samardzija's great start to the season was a terrific story, but he's not a #1 starter, and this is the first time he's really looked like a #2. In his first two seasons as a full-time Cubs starter, at ages 27 and 28, Samardzija was essentially league-average, posting a 97 ERA+. He showed good stuff, he struck out 24% of the batters he faced, he had a 3-1 K/BB, he averaged 6 1/3 innings per start. Because of his size, his stuff, his non-standard career path and the Cubs' handling of him -- he was a reliever as recently as 2011 -- there were reasons to think he had some upside from there. When he started the year with a 1.46 ERA -- and no pitcher-wins -- through ten starts, he was suddenly in the conversation for awards and All-Star Game starts and trade-deadline packages. Well, that ERA was as much about a low HR/FB -- two longballs, 93 fly balls -- as any change in Samardzija. The Cubs, though, have leveraged the best stretch of pitching of Samardzija's career into an asset much more likely to earn a ring with the Cubs. Trading Samardzija for a top-50 prospect and some baubles would have been a fairly good return; getting a top-ten prospect and a top-100 guy and a cost-controlled averageish starter is a coup. It's an absolute coup.
I may be an outlier in my evaluation of this deal, largely because I think I'm an outlier on the two key pieces -- higher on Russell than most, lower on Samardzija than most.
With Russell, the Cubs now have a farm system that hurts to look at. We'll see what the prospect mavens say, but they could have three of the top ten prospects in baseball in Russell, Baez and Kris Bryant, plus Albert Almora and Jorge Soler and Kyle Schwarber and, and, and.... It's a system that is both loaded at the top and deep, and if there's a concern about crowding at certain positions or being too hitter-heavy, well, these are not problems the way that word is usually used. The Cubs, as they sort out which players are going forward with them and which are not, are going to have some cost-controlled talent to trade. If Russell and Baez push aside Castro, well, Castro is signed through 2019 for a total cost of $44 million, with a $16 million option for 2020. You think you can't find a home for that? Castro is a durable shortstop who is growing into his power and headed for a career high in walks drawn, among other things.
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QuoteMore important than the trade value is the low cost of this kind of prospect class. The Cubs will have so many low-cost contributors that they will be able to be a player for two, even three market-priced players. You want to know who will be pitching in front of these prospects? How about Max Scherzer? How about David Price, almost certainly a free agent after 2015? How about Johnny Cueto, almost certainly a free agent after 2015? Hell, they can go get Samardzija after 2015 if they want. Yu Darvish's deal expires after 2017, and remember that he'll have been wildly underpaid during it and could be looking for a big payday to make up for that. The Cubs' payrolls ran above $130 million from 2009-11, and when you adjust for increased revenues, they'll have the ability to be well above that number when they need to be. While the Dodgers are paying old outfielders and then the league for the privilege of paying those old outfielders, the Cubs are going to have the money to go get Jason Heyward after 2015 or Giancarlo Stanton after 2016 or Bryce Harper after 2018. There's no guarantee that they get any of these guys, but I would bet all the money in my pockets that the Cubs will make three of the best free-agent signings of the next five years. They will pick off top-of-the-market talent at the top-of-the-market prices, subsidized by a homegrown, tradegrown core that makes peanuts.
There's one other element of this trade worth mentioning.
Diamondbacks 36 52 .409
Astros 36 52 .409
Rockies 36 51 .414
Rangers 37 49 .430
Phillies 37 49 .430
Rays 39 50 .438
Mets 38 48 .442
Twins 38 47 .447
Red Sox 38 47 .447
Cubs 38 46 .452
Padres 39 47 .453
MLB has yet to address, in any way, the incentives teams like the Cubs have to tank. Trading away Samardzija, and replacing 16 of his starts with 16 starts by Carlos Villanueva or Kyle Hendricks or whomever, makes the Cubs more likely to lose those games. These are the standings that matter to the Cubs: the battle for the first pick, or at least a higher pick, in the draft. The Cubs' outperforming expectations this season was actually a big-picture negative; it didn't materially change their chance to win the NL Central or reach the postseason, but it potentially cost them the ability to improve in the draft and the international market. The team with the tenth pick in the draft last year, the Mets, had a total of $5.3 million to spend in the draft. That was 40% of what the Astros, with the first pick, had. It was a little more than half of what the White Sox, picking third, had. Similarly, the Mets at #10 had $2.7 million to spend on international amateurs; the Astros at #1 had $5 million. The Cubs have every reason to lose a bunch of games in the season's second half.
Mind you, this isn't about having the money, being able to afford to spend on research and development. This is just about keeping teams from competing for amateur talent. The Cubs have to put an inferior product on the field, have to compete to be worse than other bad teams, so that they can have the highest possible budget to spend on their future. It's a diseased system that is worth opening the CBA to address.
The Cubs had squeezed the most out of Samardzija and Hammel, and traded both players at the peak of their value. They used what was left to acquire one of the top prospects in baseball. Addison Russell, or perhaps players later acquired for Russell, will play in World Series games at Wrigley Field. For the Cubs, this was also about flags flying forever.
I think he's way too low on Samardzija, but otherwise it's a good read. Especially the part about the Cubs being able to more easily "overpay" for a key FA or two because the core will be so cheap for a while.
Flagz flying forever. Wow.
Quote from: R-V on July 08, 2014, 01:58:55 PM
Meant to post this over the weekend about the trade. If you like baseball and reading things then you should spend the lousy $30 a year to subscribe to Joe Sheehan's newsletter which is always a fun read.
QuoteThe Joe Sheehan Newsletter
Vol. 6, No. 39
July 5, 2014
Cubs trade RHP Jeff Samardzija and RHP Jason Hammel to Athletics for SS Addison Russell, OF Billy McKinney and RHP Dan Straily
Let's start with this: Hammel for Straily is a wash, for all intents and purposes. If you think that's ungenerous, think about what the reaction would have been three months ago if the A's had made that deal. Think about what Beane's reaction would have been had Jed Hoyer called him up with that offer. Hammel has outpitched Straily for the last three months, but Straily was better and more healthy last year. In 2012 Straily was more healthy, and comparable on a per-inning basis. Hammel hasn't thrown more innings than Straily since 2011, and just barely then. Whatever performance gap may exist between the two for the next 16 starts they'll make in 2014 is dwarfed by the control of Straily the Cubs will have, while Hammel hits the market looking for Matt Garza money.
That leaves Samardzija for the two prospects, which is a huge win for the Cubs. Huge. Even for a team lousy with hitting prospects, adding Russell has an impact. He's the best defender of the Russell/Javier Baez/Starlin Castro group and is 13 months younger than Baez is. Samardzija's great start to the season was a terrific story, but he's not a #1 starter, and this is the first time he's really looked like a #2. In his first two seasons as a full-time Cubs starter, at ages 27 and 28, Samardzija was essentially league-average, posting a 97 ERA+. He showed good stuff, he struck out 24% of the batters he faced, he had a 3-1 K/BB, he averaged 6 1/3 innings per start. Because of his size, his stuff, his non-standard career path and the Cubs' handling of him -- he was a reliever as recently as 2011 -- there were reasons to think he had some upside from there. When he started the year with a 1.46 ERA -- and no pitcher-wins -- through ten starts, he was suddenly in the conversation for awards and All-Star Game starts and trade-deadline packages. Well, that ERA was as much about a low HR/FB -- two longballs, 93 fly balls -- as any change in Samardzija. The Cubs, though, have leveraged the best stretch of pitching of Samardzija's career into an asset much more likely to earn a ring with the Cubs. Trading Samardzija for a top-50 prospect and some baubles would have been a fairly good return; getting a top-ten prospect and a top-100 guy and a cost-controlled averageish starter is a coup. It's an absolute coup.
I may be an outlier in my evaluation of this deal, largely because I think I'm an outlier on the two key pieces -- higher on Russell than most, lower on Samardzija than most.
With Russell, the Cubs now have a farm system that hurts to look at. We'll see what the prospect mavens say, but they could have three of the top ten prospects in baseball in Russell, Baez and Kris Bryant, plus Albert Almora and Jorge Soler and Kyle Schwarber and, and, and.... It's a system that is both loaded at the top and deep, and if there's a concern about crowding at certain positions or being too hitter-heavy, well, these are not problems the way that word is usually used. The Cubs, as they sort out which players are going forward with them and which are not, are going to have some cost-controlled talent to trade. If Russell and Baez push aside Castro, well, Castro is signed through 2019 for a total cost of $44 million, with a $16 million option for 2020. You think you can't find a home for that? Castro is a durable shortstop who is growing into his power and headed for a career high in walks drawn, among other things.
wut
So much THIS:
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The Cubs will have so many low-cost contributors that they will be able to be a player for two, even three market-priced players.
The Cubs have every reason to lose a bunch of games in the season's second half.
Quote from: Tony on July 08, 2014, 01:29:01 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 08, 2014, 01:25:30 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 08, 2014, 01:19:39 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 08, 2014, 12:40:13 PM
6. SS Addison Russell (Cubs)
Placement on pre-season 101: #7
Current MiLB level/Affiliate: Double-A Tennessee
Developmental Update: From a skill-set perspective, Addison Russell has the most well-rounded profile at the shortstop position in the minors, with above-average chops in the field (including double-plus hands), and impact potential with both the hit and power tools. Russell has lost half a season to injury, but could challenge for the top spot in the minors with a strong second half. The ultimate upside is a perennial all-star at a premium spot, and the future could start as early as 2015. –Jason Parks
The A's had projected him to be their starter next year right? Is it realistic to think he'll be up next year?
Oakland didn't have Castro and Baez in front of him.
Well Castro is going to be around for a long time, so I guess we'll just wait for him to retire before we see Russell.
Just means some extra time for shuffling guys around. All accounts I've read are that Russell is the best SS of the three.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 08, 2014, 02:09:20 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 08, 2014, 01:58:55 PM
Meant to post this over the weekend about the trade. If you like baseball and reading things then you should spend the lousy $30 a year to subscribe to Joe Sheehan's newsletter which is always a fun read.
QuoteThe Joe Sheehan Newsletter
Vol. 6, No. 39
July 5, 2014
Cubs trade RHP Jeff Samardzija and RHP Jason Hammel to Athletics for SS Addison Russell, OF Billy McKinney and RHP Dan Straily
Let's start with this: Hammel for Straily is a wash, for all intents and purposes. If you think that's ungenerous, think about what the reaction would have been three months ago if the A's had made that deal. Think about what Beane's reaction would have been had Jed Hoyer called him up with that offer. Hammel has outpitched Straily for the last three months, but Straily was better and more healthy last year. In 2012 Straily was more healthy, and comparable on a per-inning basis. Hammel hasn't thrown more innings than Straily since 2011, and just barely then. Whatever performance gap may exist between the two for the next 16 starts they'll make in 2014 is dwarfed by the control of Straily the Cubs will have, while Hammel hits the market looking for Matt Garza money.
That leaves Samardzija for the two prospects, which is a huge win for the Cubs. Huge. Even for a team lousy with hitting prospects, adding Russell has an impact. He's the best defender of the Russell/Javier Baez/Starlin Castro group and is 13 months younger than Baez is. Samardzija's great start to the season was a terrific story, but he's not a #1 starter, and this is the first time he's really looked like a #2. In his first two seasons as a full-time Cubs starter, at ages 27 and 28, Samardzija was essentially league-average, posting a 97 ERA+. He showed good stuff, he struck out 24% of the batters he faced, he had a 3-1 K/BB, he averaged 6 1/3 innings per start. Because of his size, his stuff, his non-standard career path and the Cubs' handling of him -- he was a reliever as recently as 2011 -- there were reasons to think he had some upside from there. When he started the year with a 1.46 ERA -- and no pitcher-wins -- through ten starts, he was suddenly in the conversation for awards and All-Star Game starts and trade-deadline packages. Well, that ERA was as much about a low HR/FB -- two longballs, 93 fly balls -- as any change in Samardzija. The Cubs, though, have leveraged the best stretch of pitching of Samardzija's career into an asset much more likely to earn a ring with the Cubs. Trading Samardzija for a top-50 prospect and some baubles would have been a fairly good return; getting a top-ten prospect and a top-100 guy and a cost-controlled averageish starter is a coup. It's an absolute coup.
I may be an outlier in my evaluation of this deal, largely because I think I'm an outlier on the two key pieces -- higher on Russell than most, lower on Samardzija than most.
With Russell, the Cubs now have a farm system that hurts to look at. We'll see what the prospect mavens say, but they could have three of the top ten prospects in baseball in Russell, Baez and Kris Bryant, plus Albert Almora and Jorge Soler and Kyle Schwarber and, and, and.... It's a system that is both loaded at the top and deep, and if there's a concern about crowding at certain positions or being too hitter-heavy, well, these are not problems the way that word is usually used. The Cubs, as they sort out which players are going forward with them and which are not, are going to have some cost-controlled talent to trade. If Russell and Baez push aside Castro, well, Castro is signed through 2019 for a total cost of $44 million, with a $16 million option for 2020. You think you can't find a home for that? Castro is a durable shortstop who is growing into his power and headed for a career high in walks drawn, among other things.
wut
It's an expression.
Means they have tons. Overridden.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2014, 02:24:11 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 08, 2014, 02:09:20 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 08, 2014, 01:58:55 PM
Meant to post this over the weekend about the trade. If you like baseball and reading things then you should spend the lousy $30 a year to subscribe to Joe Sheehan's newsletter which is always a fun read.
QuoteThe Joe Sheehan Newsletter
Vol. 6, No. 39
July 5, 2014
Cubs trade RHP Jeff Samardzija and RHP Jason Hammel to Athletics for SS Addison Russell, OF Billy McKinney and RHP Dan Straily
Let's start with this: Hammel for Straily is a wash, for all intents and purposes. If you think that's ungenerous, think about what the reaction would have been three months ago if the A's had made that deal. Think about what Beane's reaction would have been had Jed Hoyer called him up with that offer. Hammel has outpitched Straily for the last three months, but Straily was better and more healthy last year. In 2012 Straily was more healthy, and comparable on a per-inning basis. Hammel hasn't thrown more innings than Straily since 2011, and just barely then. Whatever performance gap may exist between the two for the next 16 starts they'll make in 2014 is dwarfed by the control of Straily the Cubs will have, while Hammel hits the market looking for Matt Garza money.
That leaves Samardzija for the two prospects, which is a huge win for the Cubs. Huge. Even for a team lousy with hitting prospects, adding Russell has an impact. He's the best defender of the Russell/Javier Baez/Starlin Castro group and is 13 months younger than Baez is. Samardzija's great start to the season was a terrific story, but he's not a #1 starter, and this is the first time he's really looked like a #2. In his first two seasons as a full-time Cubs starter, at ages 27 and 28, Samardzija was essentially league-average, posting a 97 ERA+. He showed good stuff, he struck out 24% of the batters he faced, he had a 3-1 K/BB, he averaged 6 1/3 innings per start. Because of his size, his stuff, his non-standard career path and the Cubs' handling of him -- he was a reliever as recently as 2011 -- there were reasons to think he had some upside from there. When he started the year with a 1.46 ERA -- and no pitcher-wins -- through ten starts, he was suddenly in the conversation for awards and All-Star Game starts and trade-deadline packages. Well, that ERA was as much about a low HR/FB -- two longballs, 93 fly balls -- as any change in Samardzija. The Cubs, though, have leveraged the best stretch of pitching of Samardzija's career into an asset much more likely to earn a ring with the Cubs. Trading Samardzija for a top-50 prospect and some baubles would have been a fairly good return; getting a top-ten prospect and a top-100 guy and a cost-controlled averageish starter is a coup. It's an absolute coup.
I may be an outlier in my evaluation of this deal, largely because I think I'm an outlier on the two key pieces -- higher on Russell than most, lower on Samardzija than most.
With Russell, the Cubs now have a farm system that hurts to look at. We'll see what the prospect mavens say, but they could have three of the top ten prospects in baseball in Russell, Baez and Kris Bryant, plus Albert Almora and Jorge Soler and Kyle Schwarber and, and, and.... It's a system that is both loaded at the top and deep, and if there's a concern about crowding at certain positions or being too hitter-heavy, well, these are not problems the way that word is usually used. The Cubs, as they sort out which players are going forward with them and which are not, are going to have some cost-controlled talent to trade. If Russell and Baez push aside Castro, well, Castro is signed through 2019 for a total cost of $44 million, with a $16 million option for 2020. You think you can't find a home for that? Castro is a durable shortstop who is growing into his power and headed for a career high in walks drawn, among other things.
wut
It's an expression.
Means they have tons. Overridden.
Some might even say "infested."
Quote from: ChuckD on July 08, 2014, 02:24:59 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2014, 02:24:11 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 08, 2014, 02:09:20 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 08, 2014, 01:58:55 PM
Meant to post this over the weekend about the trade. If you like baseball and reading things then you should spend the lousy $30 a year to subscribe to Joe Sheehan's newsletter which is always a fun read.
QuoteThe Joe Sheehan Newsletter
Vol. 6, No. 39
July 5, 2014
Cubs trade RHP Jeff Samardzija and RHP Jason Hammel to Athletics for SS Addison Russell, OF Billy McKinney and RHP Dan Straily
Let's start with this: Hammel for Straily is a wash, for all intents and purposes. If you think that's ungenerous, think about what the reaction would have been three months ago if the A's had made that deal. Think about what Beane's reaction would have been had Jed Hoyer called him up with that offer. Hammel has outpitched Straily for the last three months, but Straily was better and more healthy last year. In 2012 Straily was more healthy, and comparable on a per-inning basis. Hammel hasn't thrown more innings than Straily since 2011, and just barely then. Whatever performance gap may exist between the two for the next 16 starts they'll make in 2014 is dwarfed by the control of Straily the Cubs will have, while Hammel hits the market looking for Matt Garza money.
That leaves Samardzija for the two prospects, which is a huge win for the Cubs. Huge. Even for a team lousy with hitting prospects, adding Russell has an impact. He's the best defender of the Russell/Javier Baez/Starlin Castro group and is 13 months younger than Baez is. Samardzija's great start to the season was a terrific story, but he's not a #1 starter, and this is the first time he's really looked like a #2. In his first two seasons as a full-time Cubs starter, at ages 27 and 28, Samardzija was essentially league-average, posting a 97 ERA+. He showed good stuff, he struck out 24% of the batters he faced, he had a 3-1 K/BB, he averaged 6 1/3 innings per start. Because of his size, his stuff, his non-standard career path and the Cubs' handling of him -- he was a reliever as recently as 2011 -- there were reasons to think he had some upside from there. When he started the year with a 1.46 ERA -- and no pitcher-wins -- through ten starts, he was suddenly in the conversation for awards and All-Star Game starts and trade-deadline packages. Well, that ERA was as much about a low HR/FB -- two longballs, 93 fly balls -- as any change in Samardzija. The Cubs, though, have leveraged the best stretch of pitching of Samardzija's career into an asset much more likely to earn a ring with the Cubs. Trading Samardzija for a top-50 prospect and some baubles would have been a fairly good return; getting a top-ten prospect and a top-100 guy and a cost-controlled averageish starter is a coup. It's an absolute coup.
I may be an outlier in my evaluation of this deal, largely because I think I'm an outlier on the two key pieces -- higher on Russell than most, lower on Samardzija than most.
With Russell, the Cubs now have a farm system that hurts to look at. We'll see what the prospect mavens say, but they could have three of the top ten prospects in baseball in Russell, Baez and Kris Bryant, plus Albert Almora and Jorge Soler and Kyle Schwarber and, and, and.... It's a system that is both loaded at the top and deep, and if there's a concern about crowding at certain positions or being too hitter-heavy, well, these are not problems the way that word is usually used. The Cubs, as they sort out which players are going forward with them and which are not, are going to have some cost-controlled talent to trade. If Russell and Baez push aside Castro, well, Castro is signed through 2019 for a total cost of $44 million, with a $16 million option for 2020. You think you can't find a home for that? Castro is a durable shortstop who is growing into his power and headed for a career high in walks drawn, among other things.
wut
It's an expression.
Means they have tons. Overridden.
Some might even say "infested."
Not to be confused with "a team with lousy hitting prospects" which, as Tonks noted, basically described the Cubs for my entire baseball watching life.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 08, 2014, 02:24:59 PM
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Meant to post this over the weekend about the trade. If you like baseball and reading things then you should spend the lousy $30 a year to subscribe to Joe Sheehan's newsletter which is always a fun read.
QuoteThe Joe Sheehan Newsletter
Vol. 6, No. 39
July 5, 2014
Cubs trade RHP Jeff Samardzija and RHP Jason Hammel to Athletics for SS Addison Russell, OF Billy McKinney and RHP Dan Straily
Let's start with this: Hammel for Straily is a wash, for all intents and purposes. If you think that's ungenerous, think about what the reaction would have been three months ago if the A's had made that deal. Think about what Beane's reaction would have been had Jed Hoyer called him up with that offer. Hammel has outpitched Straily for the last three months, but Straily was better and more healthy last year. In 2012 Straily was more healthy, and comparable on a per-inning basis. Hammel hasn't thrown more innings than Straily since 2011, and just barely then. Whatever performance gap may exist between the two for the next 16 starts they'll make in 2014 is dwarfed by the control of Straily the Cubs will have, while Hammel hits the market looking for Matt Garza money.
That leaves Samardzija for the two prospects, which is a huge win for the Cubs. Huge. Even for a team lousy with hitting prospects, adding Russell has an impact. He's the best defender of the Russell/Javier Baez/Starlin Castro group and is 13 months younger than Baez is. Samardzija's great start to the season was a terrific story, but he's not a #1 starter, and this is the first time he's really looked like a #2. In his first two seasons as a full-time Cubs starter, at ages 27 and 28, Samardzija was essentially league-average, posting a 97 ERA+. He showed good stuff, he struck out 24% of the batters he faced, he had a 3-1 K/BB, he averaged 6 1/3 innings per start. Because of his size, his stuff, his non-standard career path and the Cubs' handling of him -- he was a reliever as recently as 2011 -- there were reasons to think he had some upside from there. When he started the year with a 1.46 ERA -- and no pitcher-wins -- through ten starts, he was suddenly in the conversation for awards and All-Star Game starts and trade-deadline packages. Well, that ERA was as much about a low HR/FB -- two longballs, 93 fly balls -- as any change in Samardzija. The Cubs, though, have leveraged the best stretch of pitching of Samardzija's career into an asset much more likely to earn a ring with the Cubs. Trading Samardzija for a top-50 prospect and some baubles would have been a fairly good return; getting a top-ten prospect and a top-100 guy and a cost-controlled averageish starter is a coup. It's an absolute coup.
I may be an outlier in my evaluation of this deal, largely because I think I'm an outlier on the two key pieces -- higher on Russell than most, lower on Samardzija than most.
With Russell, the Cubs now have a farm system that hurts to look at. We'll see what the prospect mavens say, but they could have three of the top ten prospects in baseball in Russell, Baez and Kris Bryant, plus Albert Almora and Jorge Soler and Kyle Schwarber and, and, and.... It's a system that is both loaded at the top and deep, and if there's a concern about crowding at certain positions or being too hitter-heavy, well, these are not problems the way that word is usually used. The Cubs, as they sort out which players are going forward with them and which are not, are going to have some cost-controlled talent to trade. If Russell and Baez push aside Castro, well, Castro is signed through 2019 for a total cost of $44 million, with a $16 million option for 2020. You think you can't find a home for that? Castro is a durable shortstop who is growing into his power and headed for a career high in walks drawn, among other things.
wut
It's an expression.
Means they have tons. Overridden.
Some might even say "infested."
Perhaps this will help?
it's not a Paul Rudd movie, but it's on TV a lot.
(http://i.imgur.com/BFn7JJX.jpg)
I still have trouble wrapping my head around the idea that the Chicago Cubs...The Chicago Motherfucking Cubs...have been almost completely reconstructed with the goal of sustained success, and that goal is looking more and more in focus on a daily basis.
For the team in all of North American professional sports most associated with futility (rightfully so) to be this close to having the entire perception of the organization completely redefined is absolutely astonishing to me, in spite of seeing it all unfold with my own eyes.
Quote from: Fork on July 08, 2014, 02:53:52 PM
I still have trouble wrapping my head around the idea that the Chicago Cubs...The Chicago Motherfucking Cubs...have been almost completely reconstructed with the goal of sustained success, and that goal is looking more and more in focus on a daily basis.
For the team in all of North American professional sports most associated with futility (rightfully so) to be this close to having the entire perception of the organization completely redefined is absolutely astonishing to me, in spite of seeing it all unfold with my own eyes.
In only 2 1/2 years.
Too much bullshit being tolerated in here. WINNING IS SACRED, THE RICKETTSES ARE CHEAP, EPSTINK IS TERRIBLE
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2014, 02:46:19 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 08, 2014, 02:24:59 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2014, 02:24:11 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 08, 2014, 02:09:20 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 08, 2014, 01:58:55 PM
Meant to post this over the weekend about the trade. If you like baseball and reading things then you should spend the lousy $30 a year to subscribe to Joe Sheehan's newsletter which is always a fun read.
QuoteThe Joe Sheehan Newsletter
Vol. 6, No. 39
July 5, 2014
Cubs trade RHP Jeff Samardzija and RHP Jason Hammel to Athletics for SS Addison Russell, OF Billy McKinney and RHP Dan Straily
Let's start with this: Hammel for Straily is a wash, for all intents and purposes. If you think that's ungenerous, think about what the reaction would have been three months ago if the A's had made that deal. Think about what Beane's reaction would have been had Jed Hoyer called him up with that offer. Hammel has outpitched Straily for the last three months, but Straily was better and more healthy last year. In 2012 Straily was more healthy, and comparable on a per-inning basis. Hammel hasn't thrown more innings than Straily since 2011, and just barely then. Whatever performance gap may exist between the two for the next 16 starts they'll make in 2014 is dwarfed by the control of Straily the Cubs will have, while Hammel hits the market looking for Matt Garza money.
That leaves Samardzija for the two prospects, which is a huge win for the Cubs. Huge. Even for a team lousy with hitting prospects, adding Russell has an impact. He's the best defender of the Russell/Javier Baez/Starlin Castro group and is 13 months younger than Baez is. Samardzija's great start to the season was a terrific story, but he's not a #1 starter, and this is the first time he's really looked like a #2. In his first two seasons as a full-time Cubs starter, at ages 27 and 28, Samardzija was essentially league-average, posting a 97 ERA+. He showed good stuff, he struck out 24% of the batters he faced, he had a 3-1 K/BB, he averaged 6 1/3 innings per start. Because of his size, his stuff, his non-standard career path and the Cubs' handling of him -- he was a reliever as recently as 2011 -- there were reasons to think he had some upside from there. When he started the year with a 1.46 ERA -- and no pitcher-wins -- through ten starts, he was suddenly in the conversation for awards and All-Star Game starts and trade-deadline packages. Well, that ERA was as much about a low HR/FB -- two longballs, 93 fly balls -- as any change in Samardzija. The Cubs, though, have leveraged the best stretch of pitching of Samardzija's career into an asset much more likely to earn a ring with the Cubs. Trading Samardzija for a top-50 prospect and some baubles would have been a fairly good return; getting a top-ten prospect and a top-100 guy and a cost-controlled averageish starter is a coup. It's an absolute coup.
I may be an outlier in my evaluation of this deal, largely because I think I'm an outlier on the two key pieces -- higher on Russell than most, lower on Samardzija than most.
With Russell, the Cubs now have a farm system that hurts to look at. We'll see what the prospect mavens say, but they could have three of the top ten prospects in baseball in Russell, Baez and Kris Bryant, plus Albert Almora and Jorge Soler and Kyle Schwarber and, and, and.... It's a system that is both loaded at the top and deep, and if there's a concern about crowding at certain positions or being too hitter-heavy, well, these are not problems the way that word is usually used. The Cubs, as they sort out which players are going forward with them and which are not, are going to have some cost-controlled talent to trade. If Russell and Baez push aside Castro, well, Castro is signed through 2019 for a total cost of $44 million, with a $16 million option for 2020. You think you can't find a home for that? Castro is a durable shortstop who is growing into his power and headed for a career high in walks drawn, among other things.
wut
It's an expression.
Means they have tons. Overridden.
Some might even say "infested."
Perhaps this will help?
it's not a Paul Rudd movie, but it's on TV a lot.
(http://i.imgur.com/BFn7JJX.jpg)
The lice
hate the sugar.
(http://i.imgur.com/rtkP1UR.png)
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2014, 10:39:08 AM
Quote from: Brownie on July 08, 2014, 10:31:01 AM
Seriously, how many of these guys right now project into everyday Major Leaguers? Soler, Bryant, Baez, Russell for sure. Rizzo and Castro already are All-Stars. Arrieta and Straily have proven they can pitch every 5th day, and both have shown signs they can be at the front-end of the rotation someday. (Straily might be the real darkhorse of this trade). It's probably too early to know for certain about Schwarber or McKinney, but indications are good. Alacantra is the guy no one has talked about until this month. Plus, we haven't even mentioned 24-year-old Junior Lake (useful Major League reserve), 27-year-old Wellington Castillo, 27-year-old Travis Wood and 25-year-old Justin Grimm. And Mike Olt might turn out to be a dud, but he's 25, and probably could be a piece of a deal.
We can assume Luis Valbuena and Emilio Bonifacio, valuable and breathing Major Leaguers, can be traded for valuable talent as well.
You didn't even mention Almora.
Also, some of them are a ways out, but Eloy, Gleyber, Jen-Ho, Hannemann and Zagunis are all major league hopefuls.
Other guys like Charcer Burks, Jeffrey Baez, Jake Stinnett, Chesny Young, all in play as well.
That doesn't even include the arms like Johnson, Underwood, Edwards, Zastryzny, Skulina and the 3 high school arms from this year's draft.
There are so, so many guys to be excited about right now.
Duane Underwood just named Midwest League Pitcher of the Week (Kane County)
Stats on the year:
56.2 IP, 16 ER, 4 HR, 40 K, 23 BB.
2.54 ERA, 1.32 WHIP.
Would like to see more Ks, lower WHIP, less walks, but considering he's only 19 years old (way young for this league) - that's pretty damn promising.
For reference, he was the Cubs 2nd round pick in 2012 (their 4th overall pick since they had 2 compensatory picks that year.)
(http://mwltraveler.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/cougars-rhp-duane-underwood.jpg?w=960&h=540)
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2014, 06:42:19 PM
Would like to see more Ks, lower WHIP, less walks, but considering he's only 19 years old (way young for this league)
"Way young" seems a bit extreme. He's pretty much right where he should be as a 19-year-old second-round pick in his first full year. That third column on BR is generally helpful, but it's skewed by all the roster-filler on teams.
Quote from: Eli on July 08, 2014, 02:05:24 PM
I think he's way too low on Samardzija, but otherwise it's a good read. Especially the part about the Cubs being able to more easily "overpay" for a key FA or two because the core will be so cheap for a while.
I dunno. Is it even possible to be too low on Snork?
Remember how there were no catchers in the organization?
Aside from SKOwarber, Mark Zagunis is treating pitching in the Northwest League with disdain.
Air Is Mindy Al Can Tarra.
#Cube
Quote from: Yeti on July 08, 2014, 11:01:31 PM
Air Is Mindy Al Can Tarra.
#Cube
Reportedly just for a couple days.
(I still came.)
This is the best thread on the internet. The joyful positive reigns here.
Goddamn I am excited. I even took my in-laws for a tour of Wrigleyville today and didn't wanna barf looking at all the Cubs shit strewn about the area.
Never been more excited to watch a team play .370 baseball for 3 months.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 08, 2014, 11:49:41 PM
Quote from: Yeti on July 08, 2014, 11:01:31 PM
Air Is Mindy Al Can Tarra.
#Cube
Reportedly just for a couple days.
(I still came.)
Maybe they can convince Darwin to get his side chick pregnant and take his time sorting out all his family issues. Like as much time as he wants. Or give him a half-bushel of apples on his bed and a sharp knife as a gift.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 09, 2014, 08:50:34 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 08, 2014, 11:49:41 PM
Quote from: Yeti on July 08, 2014, 11:01:31 PM
Air Is Mindy Al Can Tarra.
#Cube
Reportedly just for a couple days.
(I still came.)
Maybe they can convince Darwin to get his side chick pregnant and take his time sorting out all his family issues. Like as much time as he wants. Or give him a half-bushel of apples on his bed and a sharp knife as a gift.
Send a Red Sox onesie as a baby gift.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 09, 2014, 08:50:34 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 08, 2014, 11:49:41 PM
Quote from: Yeti on July 08, 2014, 11:01:31 PM
Air Is Mindy Al Can Tarra.
#Cube
Reportedly just for a couple days.
(I still came.)
Maybe they can convince Darwin to get his side chick pregnant and take his time sorting out all his family issues. Like as much time as he wants. Or give him a half-bushel of apples on his bed and a sharp knife as a gift.
Barney's entitled to 12 weeks FMLA. Theo should make him take it.
Quote from: Yeti on July 08, 2014, 11:01:31 PM
Air Is Mindy Al Can Tarra.
#Cube
Al-KAHN-Trah
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsHLsu2CEAAUY9s.jpg:large)
Quote from: Yeti on July 08, 2014, 11:01:31 PM
Air Is Mindy Al Can Tarra.
#Cube
DPD.
Starting today, batting 2nd.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 09, 2014, 10:35:07 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 08, 2014, 11:01:31 PM
Air Is Mindy Al Can Tarra.
#Cube
Al-KAHN-Trah
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsHLsu2CEAAUY9s.jpg:large)
TPD.
I can't keep up.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/790/7316420875.jpg)
Al Contra?
Quote from: ChuckD on July 09, 2014, 10:37:06 PM
Al Contra?
(http://i.imgur.com/CYf3KNI.jpg)
Up up down down...
Arismendy is 4-for-5 today with a double, triple, 3 RBI, 2 R. Brb, buying a shirsey.
Barney's wife hasn't had the baby yet, right?
Cubs option Hendricks back to Iowa and keep Alcantara for now.
They don't need a 5th starter until after the break, but for now...bonertime.
Quote from: Fork on July 10, 2014, 04:00:45 PM
Barney's wife hasn't had the baby yet, right?
Quick! Issue a recall on all Pitocin shipped to Chicago-area hospitals.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 10, 2014, 04:23:39 PM
Cubs option Hendricks back to Iowa and keep Alcantara for now.
They don't need a 5th starter until after the break, but for now...bonertime.
How do we convince Rick Renteria that a 4 man rotation is cool as hell.
Quote from: Slaky on July 10, 2014, 04:38:04 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 10, 2014, 04:23:39 PM
Cubs option Hendricks back to Iowa and keep Alcantara for now.
They don't need a 5th starter until after the break, but for now...bonertime.
How do we convince Rick Renteria that a 4 man rotation is cool as hell.
By having him keep watching Edwin Jackson.
Quote from: Fork on July 10, 2014, 04:00:45 PM
Barney's wife hasn't had the baby yet, right?
Darwin Barney = Wally Pipp?
Quote from: CBStew on July 10, 2014, 04:54:18 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 10, 2014, 04:00:45 PM
Barney's wife hasn't had the baby yet, right?
Darwin Barney = Wally Pipp?
Wally Pipp was a good player.
Darwin Barney is shite.
Soler and Bryant with home runs last night.
FWIW, I've seen the group of Alacantra/Baez/Bryant/Soler/Russell/Almora/Schwarber referred to as "The Manificent Seven", which might be selling McKinney short.
Quote from: Fork on July 11, 2014, 08:27:33 AM
Soler and Bryant with home runs last night.
FWIW, I've seen the group of Alacantra/Baez/Bryant/Soler/Russell/Almora/Schwarber referred to as "The Manificent Seven", which might be selling McKinney short.
They can be the Manificent 8, too.
Quote from: Yeti on July 11, 2014, 08:35:18 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 11, 2014, 08:27:33 AM
Soler and Bryant with home runs last night.
FWIW, I've seen the group of Alacantra/Baez/Bryant/Soler/Russell/Almora/Schwarber referred to as "The Manificent Seven", which might be selling McKinney short.
They can be the Manificent 8, too.
Or we could just not create group names for them at all.
Quote from: Eli on July 11, 2014, 08:38:07 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 11, 2014, 08:35:18 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 11, 2014, 08:27:33 AM
Soler and Bryant with home runs last night.
FWIW, I've seen the group of Alacantra/Baez/Bryant/Soler/Russell/Almora/Schwarber referred to as "The Manificent Seven", which might be selling McKinney short.
They can be the Manificent 8, too.
Or we could just not create group names for them at all.
But if we did, we would spell it right.
Quote from: Yeti on July 11, 2014, 08:42:26 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 11, 2014, 08:38:07 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 11, 2014, 08:35:18 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 11, 2014, 08:27:33 AM
Soler and Bryant with home runs last night.
FWIW, I've seen the group of Alacantra/Baez/Bryant/Soler/Russell/Almora/Schwarber referred to as "The Manificent Seven", which might be selling McKinney short.
They can be the Manificent 8, too.
Or we could just not create group names for them at all.
But if we did, we would spell it right.
I like Manificent. They
are men, after all.
Quote from: Eli on July 11, 2014, 08:38:07 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 11, 2014, 08:35:18 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 11, 2014, 08:27:33 AM
Soler and Bryant with home runs last night.
FWIW, I've seen the group of Alacantra/Baez/Bryant/Soler/Russell/Almora/Schwarber referred to as "The Manificent Seven", which might be selling McKinney short.
They can be the Manificent 8, too.
Or we could just not create group names for them at all.
I'm just going to call them the 2016 World Series Champion Chicago Cubs.
Quote from: Eli on July 11, 2014, 08:38:07 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 11, 2014, 08:35:18 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 11, 2014, 08:27:33 AM
Soler and Bryant with home runs last night.
FWIW, I've seen the group of Alacantra/Baez/Bryant/Soler/Russell/Almora/Schwarber referred to as "The Manificent Seven", which might be selling McKinney short.
They can be the Manificent 8, too.
Or we could just not create group names for them at all.
I mean seriously, what's the point of fun anyway?
But if we're grouping the prospects together I'd say seven is fine. Bryant/Baez/Russell/Soler/Almora/Schwarber/Alcantara are the seven expected to contribute in the next two years. McKinney and then guys like Eloy and Gleyber are all kind of the second wave, who will hopefully just end up being trade bait once the others all pan out and hit all of the baseballs.
Quote from: CT III on July 11, 2014, 08:50:16 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 11, 2014, 08:38:07 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 11, 2014, 08:35:18 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 11, 2014, 08:27:33 AM
Soler and Bryant with home runs last night.
FWIW, I've seen the group of Alacantra/Baez/Bryant/Soler/Russell/Almora/Schwarber referred to as "The Manificent Seven", which might be selling McKinney short.
They can be the Manificent 8, too.
Or we could just not create group names for them at all.
I mean seriously, what's the point of fun anyway?
Correct. Fun is the first part of Funeral.
Quote from: SKO on July 11, 2014, 08:52:15 AM
But if we're grouping the prospects together I'd say seven is fine. Bryant/Baez/Russell/Soler/Almora/Schwarber/Alcantara are the seven expected to contribute in the next two years. McKinney and then guys like Eloy and Gleyber are all kind of the second wave, who will hopefully just end up being trade bait once the others all pan out and hit all of the baseballs.
Sechsy Seven
Quote from: Yeti on July 11, 2014, 08:42:26 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 11, 2014, 08:38:07 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 11, 2014, 08:35:18 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 11, 2014, 08:27:33 AM
Soler and Bryant with home runs last night.
FWIW, I've seen the group of Alacantra/Baez/Bryant/Soler/Russell/Almora/Schwarber referred to as "The Manificent Seven", which might be selling McKinney short.
They can be the Manificent 8, too.
Or we could just not create group names for them at all.
But if we did, we would spell it right.
The Optoat Eihgt.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 10, 2014, 03:35:45 PM
Arismendy is 4-for-5 today with a double, triple, 3 RBI, 2 R. Brb, buying a shirsey.
Mendy is the best, Jerry. The best.
Quote from: Fork on July 11, 2014, 09:40:23 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 11, 2014, 08:42:26 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 11, 2014, 08:38:07 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 11, 2014, 08:35:18 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 11, 2014, 08:27:33 AM
Soler and Bryant with home runs last night.
FWIW, I've seen the group of Alacantra/Baez/Bryant/Soler/Russell/Almora/Schwarber referred to as "The Manificent Seven", which might be selling McKinney short.
They can be the Manificent 8, too.
Or we could just not create group names for them at all.
But if we did, we would spell it right.
The Optoat Eihgt.
Boner Cre8ors
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 11, 2014, 09:57:03 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 10, 2014, 03:35:45 PM
Arismendy is 4-for-5 today with a double, triple, 3 RBI, 2 R. Brb, buying a shirsey.
Mendy is the best, Jerry. The best.
Chuck hates the name "mendy" so from now on he shall only be referred to as Mendy.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 11, 2014, 09:57:03 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 10, 2014, 03:35:45 PM
Arismendy is 4-for-5 today with a double, triple, 3 RBI, 2 R. Brb, buying a shirsey.
Mendy is the best, Jerry. The best.
Imagine the bukkake around here if he had gotten the cycle.
Quote from: CT III on July 11, 2014, 08:50:16 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 11, 2014, 08:38:07 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 11, 2014, 08:35:18 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 11, 2014, 08:27:33 AM
Soler and Bryant with home runs last night.
FWIW, I've seen the group of Alacantra/Baez/Bryant/Soler/Russell/Almora/Schwarber referred to as "The Manificent Seven", which might be selling McKinney short.
They can be the Manificent 8, too.
Or we could just not create group names for them at all.
I mean seriously, what's the point of fun anyway?
If that's fun for you you're AN IDITO.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 11, 2014, 09:57:03 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 10, 2014, 03:35:45 PM
Arismendy is 4-for-5 today with a double, triple, 3 RBI, 2 R. Brb, buying a shirsey.
Mendy is the best, Jerry. The best.
Soup doesn't count.
Quote from: SKO on July 11, 2014, 08:52:15 AM
But if we're grouping the prospects together I'd say seven is fine. Bryant/Baez/Russell/Soler/Almora/Schwarber/Alcantara are the seven expected to contribute in the next two years. McKinney and then guys like Eloy and Gleyber are all kind of the second wave, who will hopefully just end up being trade bait once the others all pan out and hit all of the baseballs.
Even as optimistic as I am about all these guys, I don't think we're talking about Almora on the Cubs in 2 years.
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Arismendy is 4-for-5 today with a double, triple, 3 RBI, 2 R. Brb, buying a shirsey.
Mendy is the best, Jerry. The best.
Chuck hates the name "mendy" so from now on he shall only be referred to as Mendy.
Works for me.
Quote from: PANK! on July 11, 2014, 10:31:17 AM
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Arismendy is 4-for-5 today with a double, triple, 3 RBI, 2 R. Brb, buying a shirsey.
Mendy is the best, Jerry. The best.
Chuck hates the name "mendy" so from now on he shall only be referred to as Mendy.
Works for me.
The Mendyificient Seven!
Alcantara leading off today.
Love it.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 11, 2014, 10:51:59 AM
Alcantara leading off today.
Love it.
Darwin's gonna name his kid DFA.
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Soler and Bryant with home runs last night.
FWIW, I've seen the group of Alacantra/Baez/Bryant/Soler/Russell/Almora/Schwarber referred to as "The Manificent Seven", which might be selling McKinney short.
They can be the Manificent 8, too.
Or we could just not create group names for them at all.
I mean seriously, what's the point of fun anyway?
If that's fun for you you're AN IDITO.
Not sure I ever claimed otherwise.
Regardless of what you want to name them:
Rizzo - 24
Castro - 24
Soler - 22
Bryant - 22
Alcantara - 22
Schwarber - 21
Baez - 21
Russell - 20
Almora - 20
This is going to be fun for so long.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 11, 2014, 11:22:21 AM
Regardless of what you want to name them:
Rizzo - 24
Castro - 24
Soler - 22
Bryant - 22
Alcantara - 22
Schwarber - 21
Baez - 21
Russell - 20
Almora - 20
This is going to be fun for so long.
Plus whoever they add next year - they're currently sitting in the 5th spot in next season's draft.
Quote from: Fork on July 11, 2014, 10:52:45 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 11, 2014, 10:51:59 AM
Alcantara leading off today.
Love it.
Darwin's gonna name his kid DFA.
Death From Above Barney?
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Arismendy is 4-for-5 today with a double, triple, 3 RBI, 2 R. Brb, buying a shirsey.
Mendy is the best, Jerry. The best.
Chuck hates the name "mendy" so from now on he shall only be referred to as Mendy.
Works for me.
The Mendyificient Seven!
And Eli becomes everything he hates.
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Arismendy is 4-for-5 today with a double, triple, 3 RBI, 2 R. Brb, buying a shirsey.
Mendy is the best, Jerry. The best.
Chuck hates the name "mendy" so from now on he shall only be referred to as Mendy.
Works for me.
The Mendyificient Seven!
And Eli becomes everything he hates.
Gierybanzo Beanz
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Arismendy is 4-for-5 today with a double, triple, 3 RBI, 2 R. Brb, buying a shirsey.
Mendy is the best, Jerry. The best.
Chuck hates the name "mendy" so from now on he shall only be referred to as Mendy.
Works for me.
The Mendyificient Seven!
And Eli becomes everything he hates.
Gierybanzo Beanz
Oddly enough, I kind of like it.
First career HR for Arismendy today. He really doesn't want to go back to Iowa.
DPD. Addison Russell at Tennessee: .208/.208/.208. 5-for-24, no XBH, 1 RBI, 0 BB, 7 SO.
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!! EPSTINK YOU SON OF A BITCH!
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 13, 2014, 03:44:33 PM
First career HR for Arismendy today. He really doesn't want to go back to Iowa.
DFArwin Barney.
DPD.
Also, two more dongs for Soler today.
Fangraphs published a Midseason Top 25 Prospects list (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/top-25-prospects-a-midseason-update/) today.
For the save a click crowd:
1. Bryant
4. Russell
8. Baez
1. Russell, SS
2. Castro, 3B
3. Baez, 2B
4. Bryant, LF
5. Rizzo, 1B
6. Soler, RF
7. Alcantara, CF
8. Schwarber, C
9. Your Mom, P
God Damn. We can see it from here. And it will fucking murder people.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 14, 2014, 10:41:42 AM
1. Russell, SS
2. Castro, 3B
3. Baez, 2B
4. Bryant, LF
5. Rizzo, 1B
6. Soler, RF
7. Alcantara, CF
8. Schwarber, C
9. Your Mom, P
God Damn. We can see it from here. And it will fucking murder people.
Nothing would make me happier, but this feels like a real long shot on that one.
Also, you need to switch Soler and Baez in that batting order.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 14, 2014, 10:41:42 AM
1. Almora, CF
2. Russell, SS
3. Baez, LF
4. Bryant, 3B
5. Rizzo, 1B
6. Soler, RF
7. Schwarber, C
8. Alcantara, 2B
9. Price, P
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 14, 2014, 10:54:43 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 14, 2014, 10:41:42 AM
1. Almora, CF
2. Russell, SS
3. Baez, LF
4. Bryant, 3B
5. Rizzo, 1B
6. Soler, RF
7. Schwarber, C
8. Alcantara, 2B
9. Price, P Any pitcher on a one-year deal
No big pitcher contracts ever again.
Quote from: Eli on July 14, 2014, 10:58:24 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 14, 2014, 10:54:43 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 14, 2014, 10:41:42 AM
1. Almora, CF
2. Russell, SS
3. Baez, LF
4. Bryant, 3B
5. Rizzo, 1B
6. Soler, RF
7. Schwarber, C
8. Alcantara, 2B
9. Price, P Any pitcher on a one-year deal
No big pitcher contracts ever again.
Theo doesn't agree.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2014, 10:39:08 AM
Quote from: Brownie on July 08, 2014, 10:31:01 AM
Seriously, how many of these guys right now project into everyday Major Leaguers? Soler, Bryant, Baez, Russell for sure. Rizzo and Castro already are All-Stars. Arrieta and Straily have proven they can pitch every 5th day, and both have shown signs they can be at the front-end of the rotation someday. (Straily might be the real darkhorse of this trade). It's probably too early to know for certain about Schwarber or McKinney, but indications are good. Alacantra is the guy no one has talked about until this month. Plus, we haven't even mentioned 24-year-old Junior Lake (useful Major League reserve), 27-year-old Wellington Castillo, 27-year-old Travis Wood and 25-year-old Justin Grimm. And Mike Olt might turn out to be a dud, but he's 25, and probably could be a piece of a deal.
We can assume Luis Valbuena and Emilio Bonifacio, valuable and breathing Major Leaguers, can be traded for valuable talent as well.
You didn't even mention Almora.
Also, some of them are a ways out, but Eloy, Gleyber, Jen-Ho, Hannemann and Zagunis are all major league hopefuls.
Other guys like Charcer Burks, Jeffrey Baez, Jake Stinnett, Chesny Young, all in play as well.
That doesn't even include the arms like Johnson, Underwood, Edwards, Zastryzny, Skulina and the 3 high school arms from this year's draft.
There are so, so many guys to be excited about right now.
Jen-Ho with a great start for Kane County this weekend.
7 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 7 K.
On the season (missed some time with shoulder soreness):
62.1, 55 H, 19 ER, 8 BB, 61 K
2.74 ERA, 1.01 WHIP
He's 19 years old and probably the best pitcher in the Cubs entire farm system.
Fucking balls.
Quote from: Eli on July 07, 2014, 02:40:53 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 07, 2014, 02:32:31 PM
Good article (https://www.numberfire.com/mlb/news/2574/the-samardzija-trade-is-the-latest-example-of-the-cubs-rebuilding-more-effectively-than-the-astros) on how the Cubs are doing a way better job of rebuilding than the Astros, and this doesn't take into account Aiken's broken elbow.
Related: As much hype as George Springer gets as the nNext Great Young Player, every time he steps to the plate he is 6 months OLDER than Starlin Castro. That's absolutely staggering.
DPD, but just to bring this point home a little more, there were 5 guys who were named to the Futures Game who are older than Castro.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 14, 2014, 11:05:57 AM
Quote from: Eli on July 14, 2014, 10:58:24 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 14, 2014, 10:54:43 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 14, 2014, 10:41:42 AM
1. Almora, CF
2. Russell, SS
3. Baez, LF
4. Bryant, 3B
5. Rizzo, 1B
6. Soler, RF
7. Schwarber, C
8. Alcantara, 2B
9. Price, P Any pitcher on a one-year deal
No big pitcher contracts ever again.
Theo doesn't agree.
Did he tell you that?
One of the more forgotten prospects, especially after his demotion to Kane County from Dayton, Jeimer Candelario was just named Midwest League Player of the week.
Last 10 games:
.400/.475/.800
Still only 20 years old, plenty of time for him get back on track (though even as optimistic as I can be about prospects, he probably won't.)
Still, another POW for the Cubs.
Quote from: Fork on July 13, 2014, 10:17:55 PM
DPD.
Also, two more dongs for Soler today.
Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzGi3w99F7E#t=11)
Quote from: PenFoe on July 14, 2014, 12:19:38 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 13, 2014, 10:17:55 PM
DPD.
Also, two more dongs for Soler today.
Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzGi3w99F7E#t=11)
You could just start a blog or something.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 14, 2014, 12:19:38 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 13, 2014, 10:17:55 PM
DPD.
Also, two more dongs for Soler today.
Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzGi3w99F7E#t=11)
According to that video, he hit five dongs today: three into left field and two into right centre.
Quote from: Eli on July 14, 2014, 12:28:42 PM
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DPD.
Also, two more dongs for Soler today.
Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzGi3w99F7E#t=11)
You could just start a blog or something.
That feels like a lot of effort.
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DPD.
Also, two more dongs for Soler today.
Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzGi3w99F7E#t=11)
You could just start a blog or something.
That feels like a lot of effort.
Maybe we should divide and conquer. Give all Desipiots access and we can all contribute when we can. We can call it: "Time To Post"
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DPD.
Also, two more dongs for Soler today.
Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzGi3w99F7E#t=11)
You could just start a blog or something.
That feels like a lot of effort.
Maybe we should divide and conquer. Give all Desipiots access and we can all contribute when we can. We can call it: "Time To Post"
That's not a bad idea, actually.
MILB's top 75 prospects at midseason. (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2014/7/14/5898649/minor-league-ball-top-75-prospects-mid-season-update-2014-sickels)
1. Bryant
5. Russell
15. Baez
24. Soler
34. Alcantara
57. Almora
Others considered:
CJ Edwards, Pierce Johnson, Billy McKinney
Quote from: InternetApex on July 14, 2014, 01:04:32 PM
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DPD.
Also, two more dongs for Soler today.
Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzGi3w99F7E#t=11)
You could just start a blog or something.
That feels like a lot of effort.
Maybe we should divide and conquer. Give all Desipiots access and we can all contribute when we can. We can call it: "Time To Post"
I propose "Pollyanna Pen's Everything Sunny All the Time Always Central News Agency."
Quote from: Eli on July 14, 2014, 01:37:27 PM
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DPD.
Also, two more dongs for Soler today.
Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzGi3w99F7E#t=11)
You could just start a blog or something.
That feels like a lot of effort.
Maybe we should divide and conquer. Give all Desipiots access and we can all contribute when we can. We can call it: "Time To Post"
I propose "Pollyanna Pen's Everything Sunny All the Time Always Central News Agency."
PPESATACNA.com?
*Registering now*
Quote from: Eli on July 14, 2014, 01:37:27 PM
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DPD.
Also, two more dongs for Soler today.
Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzGi3w99F7E#t=11)
You could just start a blog or something.
That feels like a lot of effort.
Maybe we should divide and conquer. Give all Desipiots access and we can all contribute when we can. We can call it: "Time To Post"
I propose "Pollyanna Pen's Everything Sunny All the Time Always Central News Agency."
Pretty nice outing so far from Daury Torrez today for Kane County. Only 1 unearned run through 3 on 2 hits and 2 Ks.
Kid has a great fastball (though not much else.)
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Quote from: Fork on July 13, 2014, 10:17:55 PM
DPD.
Also, two more dongs for Soler today.
Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzGi3w99F7E#t=11)
You could just start a blog or something.
That feels like a lot of effort.
Maybe we should divide and conquer. Give all Desipiots access and we can all contribute when we can. We can call it: "Time To Post"
I propose "Pollyanna Pen's Everything Sunny All the Time Always Central News Agency."
Pretty nice outing so far from Daury Torrez today for Kane County. Only 1 unearned run through 3 on 2 hits and 2 Ks.
Kid has a great fastball (though not much else.)
DPD - Torrez finished for the day with a great line. 7 IP, 4 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 4 K.
He's a guy to keep an eye on. Not a potential top of the rotation guy, but definitely someone who could make an impact.
He's 21, stats on the year (including today, by my math)
99 IP, 87 H, 31 ER, 15 BB, 56K
2.82 ERA, 1.03 WHIP
He's in line for the win today, would be the first to get to 10 wins in the Midwest League.
Schwarber just got promoted again. On his way to Daytona.
Almora has 5 hits tonight and has completed the cycle.
Jesus.
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 09:15:53 PM
Schwarber just got promoted again. On his way to Daytona.
Can I make my Vogelbach joke again?
This is awesome news. Means he could be up in 2016.
Daytona is starting to look pretty crowded though, wonder if there's a corresponding move.
OF would be Schwarber, Almora and McKinney (holy balls, three first round picks) but also Rademacher, who's been good and there's little room to move someone to infield with Vogelbach and Shoulders at 1b and DH.
Any chance Almora to AA? Having a huge night tonight.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 14, 2014, 09:39:57 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 09:15:53 PM
Schwarber just got promoted again. On his way to Daytona.
Can I make my Vogelbach joke again?
This is awesome news. Means he could be up in 2016.
Daytona is starting to look pretty crowded though, wonder if there's a corresponding move.
OF would be Schwarber, Almora and McKinney (holy balls, three first round picks) but also Rademacher, who's been good and there's little room to move someone to infield with Vogelbach and Shoulders at 1b and DH.
Any chance Almora to AA? Having a huge night tonight.
Whispers seem to be that Rademacher might be going up.
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 10:01:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 14, 2014, 09:39:57 PM
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Schwarber just got promoted again. On his way to Daytona.
Can I make my Vogelbach joke again?
This is awesome news. Means he could be up in 2016.
Daytona is starting to look pretty crowded though, wonder if there's a corresponding move.
OF would be Schwarber, Almora and McKinney (holy balls, three first round picks) but also Rademacher, who's been good and there's little room to move someone to infield with Vogelbach and Shoulders at 1b and DH.
Any chance Almora to AA? Having a huge night tonight.
Whispers seem to be that Rademacher might be going up.
Excellent. He's been hitting well and they need to find out if he can be a thing.
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 09:36:22 PM
Almora has 5 hits tonight and has completed the cycle.
Jesus.
Took him long enough (13 innings). Mark Zagunis hit for the cycle tonight in nine.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 14, 2014, 11:39:52 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 09:36:22 PM
Almora has 5 hits tonight and has completed the cycle.
Jesus.
Took him long enough (13 innings). Mark Zagunis hit for the cycle tonight in nine.
That and "Did he finally get his OBP over .300?" are your Eli Moments Of Zen.
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 11:41:13 PM
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Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 09:36:22 PM
Almora has 5 hits tonight and has completed the cycle.
Jesus.
Took him long enough (13 innings). Mark Zagunis hit for the cycle tonight in nine.
That and "Did he finally get his OBP over .300?" are your Eli Moments Of Zen.
....sadly no. Right AT .300. .276/.300/.395/.695.
.383/.408/.723/1.131 in his last 11, though.
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Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 09:36:22 PM
Almora has 5 hits tonight and has completed the cycle.
Jesus.
Took him long enough (13 innings). Mark Zagunis hit for the cycle tonight in nine.
That and "Did he finally get his OBP over .300?" are your Eli Moments Of Zen.
....sadly no. Right AT .300. .276/.300/.395/.695.
.383/.408/.723/1.131 in his last 11, though.
All kidding aside*, it's nice to see him snap that 1-for-18 slump he was in before last night.
* Just kidding
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 09:15:07 AM
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Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 09:36:22 PM
Almora has 5 hits tonight and has completed the cycle.
Jesus.
Took him long enough (13 innings). Mark Zagunis hit for the cycle tonight in nine.
That and "Did he finally get his OBP over .300?" are your Eli Moments Of Zen.
....sadly no. Right AT .300. .276/.300/.395/.695.
.383/.408/.723/1.131 in his last 11, though.
All kidding aside*, it's nice to see him snap that 1-for-18 slump he was in before last night.
* Just kidding
It says a lot about the absolutely torrid stretch he's been on for most of the last month though that he's hitting .383 over his last 11 despite a 1-18 stretch.
He went 21-42 at one point before that as well.
With all the focus on hitting...
2 of the big 3 high school pitchers from this year's draft have made their debuts in the last two days in AZL, Justin Steele and Carson Sands (the one with the insanely hot girlfriend I posted a few weeks back.) Dylan Cease is the 3rd, will undergo TJ at some point in the next month.
Early returns are awesome, small sample size and all.
Sands: 2 IP, 0 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 4 K
Steele: 1 IP, 0 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 3 K
Basically, they're on pace to never give up a hit or a walk and pretty much strikeout everyone.
They're both 19.
Also, 8th round pick, Tommy Thorpe has just started pitching in AZL as well:
2 IP, 1 H, 0 BB, 2 K
11th round pick, Jordan Brink is also in AZL:
1 IP, 0 H, 0 BB, 2 K
7th Round pick James Norwood is already in Boise:
2 IP, 0 H, 0 BB, 4 K
10th round pick Ryan Williams is also in Boise:
2 IP, 0 H, 0 BB, 2 K
At this point, pretty much all the Cubs main draft picks from 2014 have debuted, just waiting on Jake Stinnett (#2 pick, pitched a ton of innings in college this year and will probably throw a bit in a month or so) and Cease. 9th round pick James Farris is in AZL, but hasn't debuted yet.
Looks like we can look forward to a long future of perfect games and no-hitters, based on early returns.
Flood the system with talent.
I don't realistically expect that somehow the Cubs top, say 15 picks, are all better than every other team's top 15 picks but it would be cool.
If you told me when I was 10 that the Cubs wouldn't do shit but suck and break my heart for the next 25 years of my life but it was leading up a confluence of talent and available money like what we're seeing now I may have said "Ok."
This is some special shit going on right now.
Quote from: Slaky on July 15, 2014, 10:12:46 AM
Flood the system with talent.
I don't realistically expect that somehow the Cubs top, say 15 picks, are all better than every other team's top 15 picks but it would be cool.
If you told me when I was 10 that the Cubs wouldn't do shit but suck and break my heart for the next 25 years of my life but it was leading up a confluence of talent and available money like what we're seeing now I may have said "Ok."
This is some special shit going on right now.
I'm trying not to get my hopes up too much, but this is the first time in ages when it feels like the Cubs aren't building a team based on smoke and mirrors.
Quote from: Bort on July 15, 2014, 10:23:17 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 15, 2014, 10:12:46 AM
Flood the system with talent.
I don't realistically expect that somehow the Cubs top, say 15 picks, are all better than every other team's top 15 picks but it would be cool.
If you told me when I was 10 that the Cubs wouldn't do shit but suck and break my heart for the next 25 years of my life but it was leading up a confluence of talent and available money like what we're seeing now I may have said "Ok."
This is some special shit going on right now.
I'm trying not to get my hopes up too much, but this is the first time in ages when it feels like the Cubs aren't building a team based on smoke and mirrors.
It's really hard to not fall into the "ZOMG! DOOM!" mindset of everyone saying nice things about the Cubs, but I'm pretty sure 90% of the GMs in baseball would love to be Jed Hoyer right now. Hell, this is the first time since the late 80s when it's better to be the Cubs than the Yankees.
Quote from: Fork on July 15, 2014, 10:52:14 AM
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Quote from: Slaky on July 15, 2014, 10:12:46 AM
Flood the system with talent.
I don't realistically expect that somehow the Cubs top, say 15 picks, are all better than every other team's top 15 picks but it would be cool.
If you told me when I was 10 that the Cubs wouldn't do shit but suck and break my heart for the next 25 years of my life but it was leading up a confluence of talent and available money like what we're seeing now I may have said "Ok."
This is some special shit going on right now.
I'm trying not to get my hopes up too much, but this is the first time in ages when it feels like the Cubs aren't building a team based on smoke and mirrors.
It's really hard to not fall into the "ZOMG! DOOM!" mindset of everyone saying nice things about the Cubs, but I'm pretty sure 90% of the GMs in baseball would love to be Jed Hoyer right now. Hell, this is the first time since the late 80s when it's better to be the Cubs than the Yankees.
Couple of articles in the last few days about Cubs vs Yankees in light of the Tanaka injury and Arguello made a very strong case that being the Yankees right now is a very shitty thing to be. I don't see how they can turn things around under this CBA quickly. They're not cut out for this new MLB.
Quote from: Slaky on July 15, 2014, 11:51:34 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 15, 2014, 10:52:14 AM
Quote from: Bort on July 15, 2014, 10:23:17 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 15, 2014, 10:12:46 AM
Flood the system with talent.
I don't realistically expect that somehow the Cubs top, say 15 picks, are all better than every other team's top 15 picks but it would be cool.
If you told me when I was 10 that the Cubs wouldn't do shit but suck and break my heart for the next 25 years of my life but it was leading up a confluence of talent and available money like what we're seeing now I may have said "Ok."
This is some special shit going on right now.
I'm trying not to get my hopes up too much, but this is the first time in ages when it feels like the Cubs aren't building a team based on smoke and mirrors.
It's really hard to not fall into the "ZOMG! DOOM!" mindset of everyone saying nice things about the Cubs, but I'm pretty sure 90% of the GMs in baseball would love to be Jed Hoyer right now. Hell, this is the first time since the late 80s when it's better to be the Cubs than the Yankees.
Couple of articles in the last few days about Cubs vs Yankees in light of the Tanaka injury and Arguello made a very strong case that being the Yankees right now is a very shitty thing to be. I don't see how they can turn things around under this CBA quickly. They're not cut out for this new MLB.
The Yankees spent a shitton on international picks in this year's crop. They basically did what the Cubs did last year.
Granted, those dudes are all 16-17, so they won't be ready any time soon, but they'll adapt.
I'd rather be the Cubs right now, but I can't imagine that the Yankees aren't going to figure this thing out being an attractive (arguably the top) destination for free agents and smart front office people.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 15, 2014, 12:13:56 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 15, 2014, 11:51:34 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 15, 2014, 10:52:14 AM
Quote from: Bort on July 15, 2014, 10:23:17 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 15, 2014, 10:12:46 AM
Flood the system with talent.
I don't realistically expect that somehow the Cubs top, say 15 picks, are all better than every other team's top 15 picks but it would be cool.
If you told me when I was 10 that the Cubs wouldn't do shit but suck and break my heart for the next 25 years of my life but it was leading up a confluence of talent and available money like what we're seeing now I may have said "Ok."
This is some special shit going on right now.
I'm trying not to get my hopes up too much, but this is the first time in ages when it feels like the Cubs aren't building a team based on smoke and mirrors.
It's really hard to not fall into the "ZOMG! DOOM!" mindset of everyone saying nice things about the Cubs, but I'm pretty sure 90% of the GMs in baseball would love to be Jed Hoyer right now. Hell, this is the first time since the late 80s when it's better to be the Cubs than the Yankees.
Couple of articles in the last few days about Cubs vs Yankees in light of the Tanaka injury and Arguello made a very strong case that being the Yankees right now is a very shitty thing to be. I don't see how they can turn things around under this CBA quickly. They're not cut out for this new MLB.
The Yankees spent a shitton on international picks in this year's crop. They basically did what the Cubs did last year.
Granted, those dudes are all 16-17, so they won't be ready any time soon, but they'll adapt.
I'd rather be the Cubs right now, but I can't imagine that the Yankees aren't going to figure this thing out being an attractive (arguably the top) destination for free agents and smart front office people.
They can attract free agents for sure - but free agents are getting older and older. The best players aren't hitting FA at all until they're Robinson Cano.
I think the int'l spending is great but it's certainly the long road at this point. Of course there will always be the Cuban defectors (maybe not always but there are for now) and the Yankees will always be able to afford those guys. Bet they wish they had Abreu.
Quote from: Slaky on July 15, 2014, 11:51:34 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 15, 2014, 10:52:14 AM
Quote from: Bort on July 15, 2014, 10:23:17 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 15, 2014, 10:12:46 AM
Flood the system with talent.
I don't realistically expect that somehow the Cubs top, say 15 picks, are all better than every other team's top 15 picks but it would be cool.
If you told me when I was 10 that the Cubs wouldn't do shit but suck and break my heart for the next 25 years of my life but it was leading up a confluence of talent and available money like what we're seeing now I may have said "Ok."
This is some special shit going on right now.
I'm trying not to get my hopes up too much, but this is the first time in ages when it feels like the Cubs aren't building a team based on smoke and mirrors.
It's really hard to not fall into the "ZOMG! DOOM!" mindset of everyone saying nice things about the Cubs, but I'm pretty sure 90% of the GMs in baseball would love to be Jed Hoyer right now. Hell, this is the first time since the late 80s when it's better to be the Cubs than the Yankees.
Couple of articles in the last few days about Cubs vs Yankees in light of the Tanaka injury and Arguello made a very strong case that being the Yankees right now is a very shitty thing to be. I don't see how they can turn things around under this CBA quickly. They're not cut out for this new MLB.
Tanaka won't be hurt forever. But still, they paid damn near a half billion dollars for four dudes who aren't getting them any closer to the postseason than they were last year.
David Price told reporters that winning a championship with the Cubs would be "the coolest."
http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/david-price-winning-world-series-cubs-would-be-coolest?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo
Quote"Winning absolutely is something you want to do," Price told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. "Being a part of something special is also something you want to do. You can take that to a first-place team. You could take that all the way to a last-place team like the Cubs. With the talent they have coming up they could be a very special team in a few years as well. That would probably be the coolest city to win a championship in. They haven't done it in I'm not sure how long. To do that there that would be the coolest city to win a championship in right now."
He's obviously open to the idea of pitching here. I hope it makes sense when it's time to consider it. That quote should really roil up the Shite Sox butthurt as well.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 15, 2014, 03:39:25 PM
David Price told reporters that winning a championship with the Cubs would be "the coolest."
http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/david-price-winning-world-series-cubs-would-be-coolest?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo
Quote"Winning absolutely is something you want to do," Price told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. "Being a part of something special is also something you want to do. You can take that to a first-place team. You could take that all the way to a last-place team like the Cubs. With the talent they have coming up they could be a very special team in a few years as well. That would probably be the coolest city to win a championship in. They haven't done it in I'm not sure how long. To do that there that would be the coolest city to win a championship in right now."
He's obviously open to the idea of pitching here. I hope it makes sense when it's time to consider it. That quote should really roil up the Shite Sox butthurt as well.
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So is the thought that the Cubs would trade for him and then hope for an extension (which seems dumb unless they plan to go for a title next year)? Or just wait to sign him when he's a free agent? Spending a likely $150 million+ for a pitcher who will turn 31 in the first year of the deal is kind of terrifying, given all of the pitcher injuries recently.
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 03:53:56 PM
So is the thought that the Cubs would trade for him and then hope for an extension (which seems dumb unless they plan to go for a title next year)? Or just wait to sign him when he's a free agent? Spending a likely $150 million+ for a pitcher who will turn 31 in the first year of the deal is kind of terrifying, given all of the pitcher injuries recently.
TIME TO ELI.
Quote from: Bort on July 15, 2014, 03:55:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 03:53:56 PM
So is the thought that the Cubs would trade for him and then hope for an extension (which seems dumb unless they plan to go for a title next year)? Or just wait to sign him when he's a free agent? Spending a likely $150 million+ for a pitcher who will turn 31 in the first year of the deal is kind of terrifying, given all of the pitcher injuries recently.
TIME TO ELI.
So is having opinions on baseball my meme now?
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 03:58:25 PM
Quote from: Bort on July 15, 2014, 03:55:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 03:53:56 PM
So is the thought that the Cubs would trade for him and then hope for an extension (which seems dumb unless they plan to go for a title next year)? Or just wait to sign him when he's a free agent? Spending a likely $150 million+ for a pitcher who will turn 31 in the first year of the deal is kind of terrifying, given all of the pitcher injuries recently.
TIME TO ELI.
So is having opinions on baseball my meme now?
Whoa. Slow down. Being butthurt is Apex's thing.
Quote from: Bort on July 15, 2014, 03:59:23 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 03:58:25 PM
Quote from: Bort on July 15, 2014, 03:55:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 03:53:56 PM
So is the thought that the Cubs would trade for him and then hope for an extension (which seems dumb unless they plan to go for a title next year)? Or just wait to sign him when he's a free agent? Spending a likely $150 million+ for a pitcher who will turn 31 in the first year of the deal is kind of terrifying, given all of the pitcher injuries recently.
TIME TO ELI.
So is having opinions on baseball my meme now?
Whoa. Slow down. Being butthurt is Apex's thing.
This is not TIME TO ELI. Giving a 100+ million contract to a veteran pitcher is always risky. He didn't shit on any prospects or Epstink/Hoyer. Let's be more careful about our meme usage.
Quote from: SKO on July 15, 2014, 04:02:07 PM
Quote from: Bort on July 15, 2014, 03:59:23 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 03:58:25 PM
Quote from: Bort on July 15, 2014, 03:55:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 03:53:56 PM
So is the thought that the Cubs would trade for him and then hope for an extension (which seems dumb unless they plan to go for a title next year)? Or just wait to sign him when he's a free agent? Spending a likely $150 million+ for a pitcher who will turn 31 in the first year of the deal is kind of terrifying, given all of the pitcher injuries recently.
TIME TO ELI.
So is having opinions on baseball my meme now?
Whoa. Slow down. Being butthurt is Apex's thing.
This is not TIME TO ELI. Giving a 100+ million contract to a veteran pitcher is always risky. He didn't shit on any prospects or Epstink/Hoyer. Let's be more careful about our meme usage.
Yeah, I think Eli has a point here.
Quote from: SKO on July 15, 2014, 04:02:07 PM
Quote from: Bort on July 15, 2014, 03:59:23 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 03:58:25 PM
Quote from: Bort on July 15, 2014, 03:55:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 03:53:56 PM
So is the thought that the Cubs would trade for him and then hope for an extension (which seems dumb unless they plan to go for a title next year)? Or just wait to sign him when he's a free agent? Spending a likely $150 million+ for a pitcher who will turn 31 in the first year of the deal is kind of terrifying, given all of the pitcher injuries recently.
TIME TO ELI.
So is having opinions on baseball my meme now?
Whoa. Slow down. Being butthurt is Apex's thing.
This is not TIME TO ELI. Giving a 100+ million contract to a veteran pitcher is always risky. He didn't shit on any prospects or Epstink/Hoyer. Let's be more careful about our meme usage.
Back to Eli's initial question, I think it depends on whether or not Theo & Jed think that having a TRUE ACE gives you a significant incremental chance to win in the crapshoot that is the playoffs. If they think it does, then the nice thing about being absolutely stacked with low-cost (for at least the next few years) position players is that you've got room in the payroll to give a pitcher a huge payday, knowing that you'll only get 2 or 3 years of actual TRUE ACE production, and the back end will be offset by selling dick cream ads on the new jumbotrons.
Quote from: SKO on July 15, 2014, 04:02:07 PM
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Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 03:58:25 PM
Quote from: Bort on July 15, 2014, 03:55:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 03:53:56 PM
So is the thought that the Cubs would trade for him and then hope for an extension (which seems dumb unless they plan to go for a title next year)? Or just wait to sign him when he's a free agent? Spending a likely $150 million+ for a pitcher who will turn 31 in the first year of the deal is kind of terrifying, given all of the pitcher injuries recently.
TIME TO ELI.
So is having opinions on baseball my meme now?
Whoa. Slow down. Being butthurt is Apex's thing.
This is not TIME TO ELI. Giving a 100+ million contract to a veteran pitcher is always risky. He didn't shit on any prospects or Epstink/Hoyer. Let's be more careful about our meme usage.
Eh. I think at this point "TIME TO ELI" means to do anything besides post a minor-league box score and say "Splooge." after it.
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 04:10:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 15, 2014, 04:02:07 PM
Quote from: Bort on July 15, 2014, 03:59:23 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 03:58:25 PM
Quote from: Bort on July 15, 2014, 03:55:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 03:53:56 PM
So is the thought that the Cubs would trade for him and then hope for an extension (which seems dumb unless they plan to go for a title next year)? Or just wait to sign him when he's a free agent? Spending a likely $150 million+ for a pitcher who will turn 31 in the first year of the deal is kind of terrifying, given all of the pitcher injuries recently.
TIME TO ELI.
So is having opinions on baseball my meme now?
Whoa. Slow down. Being butthurt is Apex's thing.
This is not TIME TO ELI. Giving a 100+ million contract to a veteran pitcher is always risky. He didn't shit on any prospects or Epstink/Hoyer. Let's be more careful about our meme usage.
Eh. I think at this point "TIME TO ELI" means to do anything besides post a minor-league box score and say "Splooge." after it.
Yeah but TIME TO ELI was funny
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 03:53:56 PM
So is the thought that the Cubs would trade for him and then hope for an extension (which seems dumb unless they plan to go for a title next year)? Or just wait to sign him when he's a free agent? Spending a likely $150 million+ for a pitcher who will turn 31 in the first year of the deal is kind of terrifying, given all of the pitcher injuries recently.
The Cubs aren't buyers on veteran players - they'd wind up having to give up something pretty much equal to the take they got for Snork & Hammels in order to land Price.
But you have to believe players on the big-league level can see what is happening with the Cubs, and know that within 5 years they have the opportunity to be in a group of guys who will never have to buy a drink or dinner in this city ever again.
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 03:53:56 PM
So is the thought that the Cubs would trade for him and then hope for an extension (which seems dumb unless they plan to go for a title next year)? Or just wait to sign him when he's a free agent? Spending a likely $150 million+ for a pitcher who will turn 31 in the first year of the deal is kind of terrifying, given all of the pitcher injuries recently.
Okay, let's take the trade part off the table, because that part doesn't work - no need to trade prospects when you're not contending for a top of the line guy.
Assuming we're talking free agency, then yeah, I'm all for it. A few reasons:
1. I know this is cliched, but it's not my money, so I don't care.
2. We were fully prepared to shell out for 29-yer old Samardzija, this doesn't feel that different compared with that.
3. Bronson Arroyo aside, isn't a 31-year old pitcher safer than a 25-year old pitcher?
4. GREAT PLAYERS WANT TO PLAY FOR THE CUBS
Quote from: PenFoe on July 15, 2014, 04:22:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 03:53:56 PM
So is the thought that the Cubs would trade for him and then hope for an extension (which seems dumb unless they plan to go for a title next year)? Or just wait to sign him when he's a free agent? Spending a likely $150 million+ for a pitcher who will turn 31 in the first year of the deal is kind of terrifying, given all of the pitcher injuries recently.
Okay, let's take the trade part off the table, because that part doesn't work - no need to trade prospects when you're not contending for a top of the line guy.
Assuming we're talking free agency, then yeah, I'm all for it. A few reasons:
1. I know this is cliched, but it's not my money, so I don't care.
2. We were fully prepared to shell out for 29-yer old Samardzija, this doesn't feel that different compared with that.
3. Bronson Arroyo aside, isn't a 31-year old pitcher safer than a 25-year old pitcher?
4. GREAT PLAYERS WANT TO PLAY FOR THE CUBS
If he's an FA signing I'm all for it. I'm not a fan of trading for him. And you're right - they wouldn't trade for him because they have no reason to. Price, on the other hand, has every reason to become an FA considering the pay day that is most assuredly waiting for him.
Quote from: Slaky on July 15, 2014, 04:19:12 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 04:10:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 15, 2014, 04:02:07 PM
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Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 03:58:25 PM
Quote from: Bort on July 15, 2014, 03:55:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 03:53:56 PM
So is the thought that the Cubs would trade for him and then hope for an extension (which seems dumb unless they plan to go for a title next year)? Or just wait to sign him when he's a free agent? Spending a likely $150 million+ for a pitcher who will turn 31 in the first year of the deal is kind of terrifying, given all of the pitcher injuries recently.
TIME TO ELI.
So is having opinions on baseball my meme now?
Whoa. Slow down. Being butthurt is Apex's thing.
This is not TIME TO ELI. Giving a 100+ million contract to a veteran pitcher is always risky. He didn't shit on any prospects or Epstink/Hoyer. Let's be more careful about our meme usage.
Eh. I think at this point "TIME TO ELI" means to do anything besides post a minor-league box score and say "Splooge." after it.
Yeah but TIME TO ELI was funny
Seriously, guys. Lighten up. Also, can't it just be fun that good players might actually want to play here?
Quote from: Slaky on July 15, 2014, 04:24:54 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 15, 2014, 04:22:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 03:53:56 PM
So is the thought that the Cubs would trade for him and then hope for an extension (which seems dumb unless they plan to go for a title next year)? Or just wait to sign him when he's a free agent? Spending a likely $150 million+ for a pitcher who will turn 31 in the first year of the deal is kind of terrifying, given all of the pitcher injuries recently.
Okay, let's take the trade part off the table, because that part doesn't work - no need to trade prospects when you're not contending for a top of the line guy.
Assuming we're talking free agency, then yeah, I'm all for it. A few reasons:
1. I know this is cliched, but it's not my money, so I don't care.
2. We were fully prepared to shell out for 29-yer old Samardzija, this doesn't feel that different compared with that.
3. Bronson Arroyo aside, isn't a 31-year old pitcher safer than a 25-year old pitcher?
4. GREAT PLAYERS WANT TO PLAY FOR THE CUBS
If he's an FA signing I'm all for it. I'm not a fan of trading for him. And you're right - they wouldn't trade for him because they have no reason to. Price, on the other hand, has every reason to become an FA considering the pay day that is most assuredly waiting for him.
There is a reason to trade prospects for him (or anyone for that matter): The likelihood of every prospect panning out is pretty low. The trick is to properly evaluate which ones pan out or to trade for a guy who helps win you a title.
Like some guy did in trading Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez for Josh Beckett. Heavy price to pay, but good trade.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 15, 2014, 04:39:30 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 15, 2014, 04:24:54 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 15, 2014, 04:22:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 03:53:56 PM
So is the thought that the Cubs would trade for him and then hope for an extension (which seems dumb unless they plan to go for a title next year)? Or just wait to sign him when he's a free agent? Spending a likely $150 million+ for a pitcher who will turn 31 in the first year of the deal is kind of terrifying, given all of the pitcher injuries recently.
Okay, let's take the trade part off the table, because that part doesn't work - no need to trade prospects when you're not contending for a top of the line guy.
Assuming we're talking free agency, then yeah, I'm all for it. A few reasons:
1. I know this is cliched, but it's not my money, so I don't care.
2. We were fully prepared to shell out for 29-yer old Samardzija, this doesn't feel that different compared with that.
3. Bronson Arroyo aside, isn't a 31-year old pitcher safer than a 25-year old pitcher?
4. GREAT PLAYERS WANT TO PLAY FOR THE CUBS
If he's an FA signing I'm all for it. I'm not a fan of trading for him. And you're right - they wouldn't trade for him because they have no reason to. Price, on the other hand, has every reason to become an FA considering the pay day that is most assuredly waiting for him.
There is a reason to trade prospects for him (or anyone for that matter): The likelihood of every prospect panning out is pretty low. The trick is to properly evaluate which ones pan out or to trade for a guy who helps win you a title.
Like some guy did in trading Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez for Josh Beckett. Heavy price to pay, but good trade.
The Red Sox traded their prospects for Josh Beckett because they were on the verge of the winning the World Series and needed a proven ace.
When the Red Sox traded for Beckett, he was 2 years removed from winning World Series MVP against the Yankees, which was pretty important in their desire for him.
Pretty big leap to justify that for the Cubs in 2015.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 15, 2014, 04:43:31 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 15, 2014, 04:39:30 PM
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Quote from: PenFoe on July 15, 2014, 04:22:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 03:53:56 PM
So is the thought that the Cubs would trade for him and then hope for an extension (which seems dumb unless they plan to go for a title next year)? Or just wait to sign him when he's a free agent? Spending a likely $150 million+ for a pitcher who will turn 31 in the first year of the deal is kind of terrifying, given all of the pitcher injuries recently.
Okay, let's take the trade part off the table, because that part doesn't work - no need to trade prospects when you're not contending for a top of the line guy.
Assuming we're talking free agency, then yeah, I'm all for it. A few reasons:
1. I know this is cliched, but it's not my money, so I don't care.
2. We were fully prepared to shell out for 29-yer old Samardzija, this doesn't feel that different compared with that.
3. Bronson Arroyo aside, isn't a 31-year old pitcher safer than a 25-year old pitcher?
4. GREAT PLAYERS WANT TO PLAY FOR THE CUBS
If he's an FA signing I'm all for it. I'm not a fan of trading for him. And you're right - they wouldn't trade for him because they have no reason to. Price, on the other hand, has every reason to become an FA considering the pay day that is most assuredly waiting for him.
There is a reason to trade prospects for him (or anyone for that matter): The likelihood of every prospect panning out is pretty low. The trick is to properly evaluate which ones pan out or to trade for a guy who helps win you a title.
Like some guy did in trading Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez for Josh Beckett. Heavy price to pay, but good trade.
The Red Sox traded their prospects for Josh Beckett because they were on the verge of the winning the World Series and needed a proven ace.
When the Red Sox traded for Beckett, he was 2 years removed from winning World Series MVP against the Yankees, which was pretty important in their desire for him.
Pretty big leap to justify that for the Cubs in 2015.
Yeah and that's the only season we're talking about since he walks after 2015. Unless Chuck thinks the Cubs are going to win the World Series next year. I'd like to smoke some of that Manischevitz.
Why trade for the guy and then sign him to a new deal? Just wait. Keep your assets. Worst case scenario is he doesn't sign with the Cubs. Big deal.
Quote from: Slaky on July 15, 2014, 04:46:35 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 15, 2014, 04:43:31 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 15, 2014, 04:39:30 PM
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Quote from: PenFoe on July 15, 2014, 04:22:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 03:53:56 PM
So is the thought that the Cubs would trade for him and then hope for an extension (which seems dumb unless they plan to go for a title next year)? Or just wait to sign him when he's a free agent? Spending a likely $150 million+ for a pitcher who will turn 31 in the first year of the deal is kind of terrifying, given all of the pitcher injuries recently.
Okay, let's take the trade part off the table, because that part doesn't work - no need to trade prospects when you're not contending for a top of the line guy.
Assuming we're talking free agency, then yeah, I'm all for it. A few reasons:
1. I know this is cliched, but it's not my money, so I don't care.
2. We were fully prepared to shell out for 29-yer old Samardzija, this doesn't feel that different compared with that.
3. Bronson Arroyo aside, isn't a 31-year old pitcher safer than a 25-year old pitcher?
4. GREAT PLAYERS WANT TO PLAY FOR THE CUBS
If he's an FA signing I'm all for it. I'm not a fan of trading for him. And you're right - they wouldn't trade for him because they have no reason to. Price, on the other hand, has every reason to become an FA considering the pay day that is most assuredly waiting for him.
There is a reason to trade prospects for him (or anyone for that matter): The likelihood of every prospect panning out is pretty low. The trick is to properly evaluate which ones pan out or to trade for a guy who helps win you a title.
Like some guy did in trading Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez for Josh Beckett. Heavy price to pay, but good trade.
The Red Sox traded their prospects for Josh Beckett because they were on the verge of the winning the World Series and needed a proven ace.
When the Red Sox traded for Beckett, he was 2 years removed from winning World Series MVP against the Yankees, which was pretty important in their desire for him.
Pretty big leap to justify that for the Cubs in 2015.
Yeah and that's the only season we're talking about since he walks after 2015. Unless Chuck thinks the Cubs are going to win the World Series next year. I'd like to smoke some of that Manischevitz.
Why trade for the guy and then sign him to a new deal? Just wait. Keep your assets. Worst case scenario is he doesn't sign with the Cubs. Big deal.
It all depends on who is available when. If you can get a Price now and no one appears to be available even approaching this quality in the next two years or so, you get him now. That's exactly why Theo bid on Sanchez 2 years ago and Tanaka this year: They were available.
I've got no problem hoarding the prospects. But if they trade 2 guys for Price and sign Lester in 2015 knowing they are going to be .500 now and go for it in 2016, I'd eat 2015's salary cost in a heartbeat. Especially since payroll for 2015 is only $31mm at present and probably around $50mm with arbitration calculated.
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Quote from: PenFoe on July 15, 2014, 04:22:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 03:53:56 PM
So is the thought that the Cubs would trade for him and then hope for an extension (which seems dumb unless they plan to go for a title next year)? Or just wait to sign him when he's a free agent? Spending a likely $150 million+ for a pitcher who will turn 31 in the first year of the deal is kind of terrifying, given all of the pitcher injuries recently.
Okay, let's take the trade part off the table, because that part doesn't work - no need to trade prospects when you're not contending for a top of the line guy.
Assuming we're talking free agency, then yeah, I'm all for it. A few reasons:
1. I know this is cliched, but it's not my money, so I don't care.
2. We were fully prepared to shell out for 29-yer old Samardzija, this doesn't feel that different compared with that.
3. Bronson Arroyo aside, isn't a 31-year old pitcher safer than a 25-year old pitcher?
4. GREAT PLAYERS WANT TO PLAY FOR THE CUBS
If he's an FA signing I'm all for it. I'm not a fan of trading for him. And you're right - they wouldn't trade for him because they have no reason to. Price, on the other hand, has every reason to become an FA considering the pay day that is most assuredly waiting for him.
There is a reason to trade prospects for him (or anyone for that matter): The likelihood of every prospect panning out is pretty low. The trick is to properly evaluate which ones pan out or to trade for a guy who helps win you a title.
Like some guy did in trading Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez for Josh Beckett. Heavy price to pay, but good trade.
The Red Sox traded their prospects for Josh Beckett because they were on the verge of the winning the World Series and needed a proven ace.
When the Red Sox traded for Beckett, he was 2 years removed from winning World Series MVP against the Yankees, which was pretty important in their desire for him.
Pretty big leap to justify that for the Cubs in 2015.
Yeah and that's the only season we're talking about since he walks after 2015. Unless Chuck thinks the Cubs are going to win the World Series next year. I'd like to smoke some of that Manischevitz.
Why trade for the guy and then sign him to a new deal? Just wait. Keep your assets. Worst case scenario is he doesn't sign with the Cubs. Big deal.
It all depends on who is available when. If you can get a Price now and no one appears to be available even approaching this quality in the next two years or so, you get him now. That's exactly why Theo bid on Sanchez 2 years ago and Tanaka this year: They were available.
I've got no problem hoarding the prospects. But if they trade 2 guys for Price and sign Lester in 2015 knowing they are going to be .500 now and go for it in 2016, I'd eat 2015's salary cost in a heartbeat. Especially since payroll for 2015 is only $31mm at present and probably around $50mm with arbitration calculated.
Let's not forget this is how you end up with Edwin Jackson on a 4-year, $52 million contract for a team that sucks.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 15, 2014, 03:39:25 PM
David Price told reporters that winning a championship with the Cubs would be "the coolest."
http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/david-price-winning-world-series-cubs-would-be-coolest?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo
Quote"Winning absolutely is something you want to do," Price told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. "Being a part of something special is also something you want to do. You can take that to a first-place team. You could take that all the way to a last-place team like the Cubs. With the talent they have coming up they could be a very special team in a few years as well. That would probably be the coolest city to win a championship in. They haven't done it in I'm not sure how long. To do that there that would be the coolest city to win a championship in right now."
Anyone here feel like looking that up?
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 15, 2014, 08:15:35 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 15, 2014, 03:39:25 PM
David Price told reporters that winning a championship with the Cubs would be "the coolest."
http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/david-price-winning-world-series-cubs-would-be-coolest?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo
Quote"Winning absolutely is something you want to do," Price told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. "Being a part of something special is also something you want to do. You can take that to a first-place team. You could take that all the way to a last-place team like the Cubs. With the talent they have coming up they could be a very special team in a few years as well. That would probably be the coolest city to win a championship in. They haven't done it in I'm not sure how long. To do that there that would be the coolest city to win a championship in right now."
Anyone here feel like looking that up?
How old was Stew?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 15, 2014, 05:09:02 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 15, 2014, 04:46:35 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 15, 2014, 04:43:31 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 15, 2014, 04:39:30 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 15, 2014, 04:24:54 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 15, 2014, 04:22:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 03:53:56 PM
So is the thought that the Cubs would trade for him and then hope for an extension (which seems dumb unless they plan to go for a title next year)? Or just wait to sign him when he's a free agent? Spending a likely $150 million+ for a pitcher who will turn 31 in the first year of the deal is kind of terrifying, given all of the pitcher injuries recently.
Okay, let's take the trade part off the table, because that part doesn't work - no need to trade prospects when you're not contending for a top of the line guy.
Assuming we're talking free agency, then yeah, I'm all for it. A few reasons:
1. I know this is cliched, but it's not my money, so I don't care.
2. We were fully prepared to shell out for 29-yer old Samardzija, this doesn't feel that different compared with that.
3. Bronson Arroyo aside, isn't a 31-year old pitcher safer than a 25-year old pitcher?
4. GREAT PLAYERS WANT TO PLAY FOR THE CUBS
If he's an FA signing I'm all for it. I'm not a fan of trading for him. And you're right - they wouldn't trade for him because they have no reason to. Price, on the other hand, has every reason to become an FA considering the pay day that is most assuredly waiting for him.
There is a reason to trade prospects for him (or anyone for that matter): The likelihood of every prospect panning out is pretty low. The trick is to properly evaluate which ones pan out or to trade for a guy who helps win you a title.
Like some guy did in trading Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez for Josh Beckett. Heavy price to pay, but good trade.
The Red Sox traded their prospects for Josh Beckett because they were on the verge of the winning the World Series and needed a proven ace.
When the Red Sox traded for Beckett, he was 2 years removed from winning World Series MVP against the Yankees, which was pretty important in their desire for him.
Pretty big leap to justify that for the Cubs in 2015.
Yeah and that's the only season we're talking about since he walks after 2015. Unless Chuck thinks the Cubs are going to win the World Series next year. I'd like to smoke some of that Manischevitz.
Why trade for the guy and then sign him to a new deal? Just wait. Keep your assets. Worst case scenario is he doesn't sign with the Cubs. Big deal.
It all depends on who is available when. If you can get a Price now and no one appears to be available even approaching this quality in the next two years or so, you get him now. That's exactly why Theo bid on Sanchez 2 years ago and Tanaka this year: They were available.
I've got no problem hoarding the prospects. But if they trade 2 guys for Price and sign Lester in 2015 knowing they are going to be .500 now and go for it in 2016, I'd eat 2015's salary cost in a heartbeat. Especially since payroll for 2015 is only $31mm at present and probably around $50mm with arbitration calculated.
He'll be available now and then, but now we have to give up prospects, and then we don't.
Quote from: Bort on July 15, 2014, 08:29:47 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 15, 2014, 08:15:35 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 15, 2014, 03:39:25 PM
David Price told reporters that winning a championship with the Cubs would be "the coolest."
http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/david-price-winning-world-series-cubs-would-be-coolest?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo
Quote"Winning absolutely is something you want to do," Price told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. "Being a part of something special is also something you want to do. You can take that to a first-place team. You could take that all the way to a last-place team like the Cubs. With the talent they have coming up they could be a very special team in a few years as well. That would probably be the coolest city to win a championship in. They haven't done it in I'm not sure how long. To do that there that would be the coolest city to win a championship in right now."
Anyone here feel like looking that up?
How old was Stew?
It's going to take more than adding David Price and the Fab Five to make that happen. Someone is going to have to make a deal with Satan.
Quote from: Tony on July 15, 2014, 11:16:16 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 15, 2014, 05:09:02 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 15, 2014, 04:46:35 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 15, 2014, 04:43:31 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 15, 2014, 04:39:30 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 15, 2014, 04:24:54 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 15, 2014, 04:22:47 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 15, 2014, 03:53:56 PM
So is the thought that the Cubs would trade for him and then hope for an extension (which seems dumb unless they plan to go for a title next year)? Or just wait to sign him when he's a free agent? Spending a likely $150 million+ for a pitcher who will turn 31 in the first year of the deal is kind of terrifying, given all of the pitcher injuries recently.
Okay, let's take the trade part off the table, because that part doesn't work - no need to trade prospects when you're not contending for a top of the line guy.
Assuming we're talking free agency, then yeah, I'm all for it. A few reasons:
1. I know this is cliched, but it's not my money, so I don't care.
2. We were fully prepared to shell out for 29-yer old Samardzija, this doesn't feel that different compared with that.
3. Bronson Arroyo aside, isn't a 31-year old pitcher safer than a 25-year old pitcher?
4. GREAT PLAYERS WANT TO PLAY FOR THE CUBS
If he's an FA signing I'm all for it. I'm not a fan of trading for him. And you're right - they wouldn't trade for him because they have no reason to. Price, on the other hand, has every reason to become an FA considering the pay day that is most assuredly waiting for him.
There is a reason to trade prospects for him (or anyone for that matter): The likelihood of every prospect panning out is pretty low. The trick is to properly evaluate which ones pan out or to trade for a guy who helps win you a title.
Like some guy did in trading Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez for Josh Beckett. Heavy price to pay, but good trade.
The Red Sox traded their prospects for Josh Beckett because they were on the verge of the winning the World Series and needed a proven ace.
When the Red Sox traded for Beckett, he was 2 years removed from winning World Series MVP against the Yankees, which was pretty important in their desire for him.
Pretty big leap to justify that for the Cubs in 2015.
Yeah and that's the only season we're talking about since he walks after 2015. Unless Chuck thinks the Cubs are going to win the World Series next year. I'd like to smoke some of that Manischevitz.
Why trade for the guy and then sign him to a new deal? Just wait. Keep your assets. Worst case scenario is he doesn't sign with the Cubs. Big deal.
It all depends on who is available when. If you can get a Price now and no one appears to be available even approaching this quality in the next two years or so, you get him now. That's exactly why Theo bid on Sanchez 2 years ago and Tanaka this year: They were available.
I've got no problem hoarding the prospects. But if they trade 2 guys for Price and sign Lester in 2015 knowing they are going to be .500 now and go for it in 2016, I'd eat 2015's salary cost in a heartbeat. Especially since payroll for 2015 is only $31mm at present and probably around $50mm with arbitration calculated.
He'll be available now and then, but now we have to give up prospects, and then we don't.
Seriously.
I do love the idea that we need to trade some prospects because not all prospects pan out so the smart thing is clearly to reduce the surplus of hitters we have now and hope to god we kept the right ones. All for a pitcher that will probably hit the open market.
Quote from: SKO on July 16, 2014, 08:42:44 AM
I do love the idea that we need to trade some prospects because not all prospects pan out so the smart thing is clearly to reduce the surplus of hitters we have now and hope to god we kept the right ones. All for a pitcher that will probably hit the open market.
We could spare a shortstop or two. Maybe even one who is not a prospect.
Quote from: CBStew on July 16, 2014, 10:56:43 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 16, 2014, 08:42:44 AM
I do love the idea that we need to trade some prospects because not all prospects pan out so the smart thing is clearly to reduce the surplus of hitters we have now and hope to god we kept the right ones. All for a pitcher that will probably hit the open market.
We could spare a shortstop or two. Maybe even one who is not a prospect.
Why? They can play other positions. I'm not even saying that none of them ever will or should be traded, but you shouldn't be looking to give up assets just because you theoretically can afford to do so. Certainly not for something as short-sighted as one year of David Price when you don't have a contender to field around him that year anyway.
And I'm just going to need a show of hands here as to who actually thinks the Cubs should trade Castro or just plain wants them to so that I can ignore your opinions from now on.
Why on earth would anyone the Cubs trade anyone for a pitcher that could not turn the Cubs around this year if every inning he threw was scoreless?
EDIT: Damn it, Bortbrain.
Right now the Cubs have one top of the rotation looking guy in Arrieta. They have hopefully enough starting pitching prospects between CJ Edwards and Kyle Hendricks and Beeler and whoever else to have at least one or two #3 or #4 types from their own system. As we've said ad infinitum they've shown an ability to identify cheap, innings-eating #2-#3 types in free agency and could just sign and then keep one of those guys, for once. I don't see any reason not to just pay out the ass for whoever they have to get in free agency and hoard that fucking stockpile of prospects until they themselves have had the chance to evaluate each and every one of them at the major league level. Not trade them away because VALUE.
Quote from: Bort on July 16, 2014, 11:00:32 AM
Why on earth would anyone the Cubs trade anyone for a pitcher that could not turn the Cubs around this year if every inning he threw was scoreless?
EDIT: Damn it, Bortbrain.
I could see doing a trade next year, in order to, in effect, get an exclusive negotiating window with Price to get an extension done (and maybe (please, please please) to make a playoff push in '15). Of course that would be a much shorter rental, and might not require us to give up one of our "Fab 5" or "Great 8" (its so nice to have too many prospects to count). Hopefully by that point construction on the new clubhouse would be well underway also (I think that, while not a main point for a FA, having a good working facility would be a good thing to see, and its been promised for so long that having shovels in the ground is likely the only way to show its going to get done).
Quote from: SKO on July 16, 2014, 10:59:56 AM
Quote from: CBStew on July 16, 2014, 10:56:43 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 16, 2014, 08:42:44 AM
I do love the idea that we need to trade some prospects because not all prospects pan out so the smart thing is clearly to reduce the surplus of hitters we have now and hope to god we kept the right ones. All for a pitcher that will probably hit the open market.
We could spare a shortstop or two. Maybe even one who is not a prospect.
Why? They can play other positions. I'm not even saying that none of them ever will or should be traded, but you shouldn't be looking to give up assets just because you theoretically can afford to do so. Certainly not for something as short-sighted as one year of David Price when you don't have a contender to field around him that year anyway.
And I'm just going to need a show of hands here as to who actually thinks the Cubs should trade Castro or just plain wants them to so that I can ignore your opinions from now on.
In the abstract, without any sense of return, I have no desire for the Cubs to trade Castro.
Quote from: SKO on July 16, 2014, 10:59:56 AM
Quote from: CBStew on July 16, 2014, 10:56:43 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 16, 2014, 08:42:44 AM
I do love the idea that we need to trade some prospects because not all prospects pan out so the smart thing is clearly to reduce the surplus of hitters we have now and hope to god we kept the right ones. All for a pitcher that will probably hit the open market.
We could spare a shortstop or two. Maybe even one who is not a prospect.
Why? They can play other positions. I'm not even saying that none of them ever will or should be traded, but you shouldn't be looking to give up assets just because you theoretically can afford to do so. Certainly not for something as short-sighted as one year of David Price when you don't have a contender to field around him that year anyway.
And I'm just going to need a show of hands here as to who actually thinks the Cubs should trade Castro or just plain wants them to so that I can ignore your opinions from now on.
The Cubs have no interest in trading Castro, Rizzo or any key prospects. Or if they do, it would represent a radical deviation from the plan that is close to fruition. Now, once Baez and Russell are in Chicago and they have a surplus of position players, it will also be the time when they start thinking toward contention. At that point, every option is on the table.
Quote from: Fork on July 16, 2014, 12:08:44 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 16, 2014, 10:59:56 AM
Quote from: CBStew on July 16, 2014, 10:56:43 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 16, 2014, 08:42:44 AM
I do love the idea that we need to trade some prospects because not all prospects pan out so the smart thing is clearly to reduce the surplus of hitters we have now and hope to god we kept the right ones. All for a pitcher that will probably hit the open market.
We could spare a shortstop or two. Maybe even one who is not a prospect.
Why? They can play other positions. I'm not even saying that none of them ever will or should be traded, but you shouldn't be looking to give up assets just because you theoretically can afford to do so. Certainly not for something as short-sighted as one year of David Price when you don't have a contender to field around him that year anyway.
And I'm just going to need a show of hands here as to who actually thinks the Cubs should trade Castro or just plain wants them to so that I can ignore your opinions from now on.
The Cubs have no interest in trading Castro, Rizzo or any key prospects. Or if they do, it would represent a radical deviation from the plan that is close to fruition. Now, once Baez and Russell are in Chicago and they have a surplus of position players, it will also be the time when they start thinking toward contention. At that point, every option is on the table.
Non-contending teams don't trade prospects. Unless they're run by Jim Hendry and Matt Garza is available. Because if you're Jim Hendry and that guys is available, you gotta get that guy.
Seriously hate the idea of trading Castro. He's got such a great contract and he's a CURRENT all-star. Why on earth would you trade that.
Quote from: Slaky on July 16, 2014, 12:37:41 PM
Seriously hate the idea of trading Castro. He's got such a great contract and he's a CURRENT all-star. Why on earth would you trade that.
But they have like, four shortstops in the minors. It really makes you thing
Quote from: SKO on July 16, 2014, 10:59:56 AM
And I'm just going to need a show of hands here as to who actually thinks the Cubs should trade Castro or just plain wants them to so that I can ignore your opinions from now on.
I'm with Pen and Slak. They shouldn't be shopping him, but just listening. If they get an offer that matches Castro's value that will make their team better, sure, but I don't want him traded just to trade him. His contract is very team-friendly, he looks like he's on his way to a career year, and he's also extremely durable (which I don't think he gets enough credit for beyond this message board).
With that said, if any of them are going to be traded, I think he's the most likely of the 'young core' to be moved.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 16, 2014, 01:37:07 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 16, 2014, 10:59:56 AM
And I'm just going to need a show of hands here as to who actually thinks the Cubs should trade Castro or just plain wants them to so that I can ignore your opinions from now on.
I'm with Pen and Slak. They shouldn't be shopping him, but just listening. If they get an offer that matches Castro's value that will make their team better, sure, but I don't want him traded just to trade him. His contract is very team-friendly, he looks like he's on his way to a career year, and he's also extremely durable (which I don't think he gets enough credit for beyond this message board).
With that said, if any of them are going to be traded, I think he's the most likely of the 'young core' to be moved.
I don't want the Cubs to trade Castro because now seems like the paradigm shift of the rebuild. It seems like the cornerstones are Castro and Rizzo (with Castro being EXTREMELY young, basically younger than some prospects in the Future's Game this year). And, they're really good. Or at least they're arrows are pointing way up.
I won't be butthurt if the Cubs do reap a huge return of MLB ready talent that is greater than Castro's value to the Cubs, though. Just how likely is that to happen? Probably not very.
Quote from: SKO on July 16, 2014, 12:47:00 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 16, 2014, 12:37:41 PM
Seriously hate the idea of trading Castro. He's got such a great contract and he's a CURRENT all-star. Why on earth would you trade that.
But they have like, four shortstops in the minors. It really makes you thing
No point in thinging until one of them proves to be a major league one.
Jeff Sullivan says it so we don't have to keep saying it:
http://t.co/1lcJvZH0pY
Quote from: Fork on July 16, 2014, 04:15:43 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 16, 2014, 12:47:00 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 16, 2014, 12:37:41 PM
Seriously hate the idea of trading Castro. He's got such a great contract and he's a CURRENT all-star. Why on earth would you trade that.
But they have like, four shortstops in the minors. It really makes you thing
No point in thinging until one of them proves to be a major league one.
You don't say
The last "big" one - Keith Law just came out with his top prospects list.
And, wouldn't you know it...
1. Kris Bryant
4. Addision Russell
8. Javy Baez
28. Jorge Soler
Keith Law is ESPN Insider, but here's the recap on our guys. (http://vineline.mlblogs.com/2014/07/17/espns-law-names-bryant-top-milb-prospect/)
Quote from: PenFoe on July 17, 2014, 10:04:01 AM
The last "big" one - Keith Law just came out with his top prospects list.
And, wouldn't you know it...
1. Kris Bryant
4. Addision Russell
8. Javy Baez
28. Jorge Soler
Keith Law is ESPN Insider, but here's the recap on our guys. (http://vineline.mlblogs.com/2014/07/17/espns-law-names-bryant-top-milb-prospect/)
Is that Addison Russell's non-union, Mexican equivalent?
/worstpersonontheinternet
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 17, 2014, 10:54:54 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 17, 2014, 10:04:01 AM
The last "big" one - Keith Law just came out with his top prospects list.
And, wouldn't you know it...
1. Kris Bryant
4. Addision Russell
8. Javy Baez
28. Jorge Soler
Keith Law is ESPN Insider, but here's the recap on our guys. (http://vineline.mlblogs.com/2014/07/17/espns-law-names-bryant-top-milb-prospect/)
Is that Addison Russell's non-union, Mexican equivalent?
/worstpersonontheinternet
He spelled it that way because Tonk loves names like Addision.
Quote from: Fork on July 17, 2014, 11:33:29 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 17, 2014, 10:54:54 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 17, 2014, 10:04:01 AM
The last "big" one - Keith Law just came out with his top prospects list.
And, wouldn't you know it...
1. Kris Bryant
4. Addision Russell
8. Javy Baez
28. Jorge Soler
Keith Law is ESPN Insider, but here's the recap on our guys. (http://vineline.mlblogs.com/2014/07/17/espns-law-names-bryant-top-milb-prospect/)
Is that Addison Russell's non-union, Mexican equivalent?
/worstpersonontheinternet
He spelled it that way because Tonk loves names like Addision.
Looking forward to Spring Training next year when Addison is pictured (pantless) next to Clark the Bear. Clark and Addison. Where's Gary Sheffield when you need him?
Baez at 2B for Iowa tonight.
Sploosh.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 17, 2014, 11:39:08 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 17, 2014, 11:33:29 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 17, 2014, 10:54:54 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 17, 2014, 10:04:01 AM
The last "big" one - Keith Law just came out with his top prospects list.
And, wouldn't you know it...
1. Kris Bryant
4. Addision Russell
8. Javy Baez
28. Jorge Soler
Keith Law is ESPN Insider, but here's the recap on our guys. (http://vineline.mlblogs.com/2014/07/17/espns-law-names-bryant-top-milb-prospect/)
Is that Addison Russell's non-union, Mexican equivalent?
/worstpersonontheinternet
He spelled it that way because Tonk loves names like Addision.
Looking forward to Spring Training next year when Addison is pictured (pantless) next to Clark the Bear. Clark and Addison. Where's Gary Sheffield when you need him?
Hanging out at the north end of McDonalds on Patterson.
I know prospects never work out, but last night they all pretty much homered (Bryant, Baez, Russell, Soler).
This is getting absurd, and they seem to be feeding off each other.
Bryant was 3-5 with a double and homer. Baez 2-4 with a double and a homer. Russell 2-4 with a homer. Soler 1-2 with homer and 2 walks.
Quote from: BH on July 18, 2014, 08:08:37 AM
I know prospects never work out, but last night they all pretty much homered (Bryant, Baez, Russell, Soler).
This is getting absurd, and they seem to be feeding off each other.
Bryant was 3-5 with a double and homer. Baez 2-4 with a double and a homer. Russell 2-4 with a homer. Soler 1-2 with homer and 2 walks.
Another example of the failed Epstine administration - they can't even provide these so-called prospects with enough to eat.
Quote from: R-V on July 18, 2014, 08:45:48 AM
Quote from: BH on July 18, 2014, 08:08:37 AM
I know prospects never work out, but last night they all pretty much homered (Bryant, Baez, Russell, Soler).
This is getting absurd, and they seem to be feeding off each other.
Bryant was 3-5 with a double and homer. Baez 2-4 with a double and a homer. Russell 2-4 with a homer. Soler 1-2 with homer and 2 walks.
Another example of the failed Epstine administration - they can't even provide these so-called prospects with enough to eat.
I'm going to give you a quiet golf clap, but not a standing ovation for this. I mean, it's pretty easy to make jokes on the internet when somebody sets them up.
Quote from: R-V on July 18, 2014, 08:45:48 AM
Quote from: BH on July 18, 2014, 08:08:37 AM
I know prospects never work out, but last night they all pretty much homered (Bryant, Baez, Russell, Soler).
This is getting absurd, and they seem to be feeding off each other.
Bryant was 3-5 with a double and homer. Baez 2-4 with a double and a homer. Russell 2-4 with a homer. Soler 1-2 with homer and 2 walks.
Another example of the failed Epstine administration - they can't even provide these so-called prospects with enough to eat.
+12345
Quote from: CT III on July 18, 2014, 08:47:38 AM
Quote from: R-V on July 18, 2014, 08:45:48 AM
Quote from: BH on July 18, 2014, 08:08:37 AM
I know prospects never work out, but last night they all pretty much homered (Bryant, Baez, Russell, Soler).
This is getting absurd, and they seem to be feeding off each other.
Bryant was 3-5 with a double and homer. Baez 2-4 with a double and a homer. Russell 2-4 with a homer. Soler 1-2 with homer and 2 walks.
Another example of the failed Epstine administration - they can't even provide these so-called prospects with enough to eat.
I'm going to give you a quiet golf clap, but not a standing ovation for this. I mean, it's pretty easy to make jokes on the internet when somebody sets them up.
I'm downgrading from golf clap to nod based upon "Epstine".
Quote from: Fork on July 17, 2014, 05:41:41 PM
Baez at 2B for Iowa tonight.
Sploosh.
And his manager says he'll be playing there "over the next several days". Sploosh.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 18, 2014, 09:48:59 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 17, 2014, 05:41:41 PM
Baez at 2B for Iowa tonight.
Sploosh.
And his manager says he'll be playing there "over the next several days". Sploosh.
The first (and best) Cubs' infield I ever saw was Santo/Kessinger/Beckert/Banks. A Bryant/Castro/Baez/Rizzo one could be better.
Quote from: Fork on July 18, 2014, 10:06:59 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 18, 2014, 09:48:59 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 17, 2014, 05:41:41 PM
Baez at 2B for Iowa tonight.
Sploosh.
And his manager says he'll be playing there "over the next several days". Sploosh.
The first (and best) Cubs' infield I ever saw was Santo/Kessinger/Beckert/Banks. A Bryant/Castro/Baez/Rizzo one could be better.
And Russell.
Quote from: Fork on July 18, 2014, 10:06:59 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 18, 2014, 09:48:59 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 17, 2014, 05:41:41 PM
Baez at 2B for Iowa tonight.
Sploosh.
And his manager says he'll be playing there "over the next several days". Sploosh.
The first (and best) Cubs' infield I ever saw was Santo/Kessinger/Beckert/Banks. A Bryant/Castro/Baez/Rizzo one could be better.
Ramirez, Theriot, DeRosa, Lee!
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 18, 2014, 10:11:21 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 18, 2014, 10:06:59 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 18, 2014, 09:48:59 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 17, 2014, 05:41:41 PM
Baez at 2B for Iowa tonight.
Sploosh.
And his manager says he'll be playing there "over the next several days". Sploosh.
The first (and best) Cubs' infield I ever saw was Santo/Kessinger/Beckert/Banks. A Bryant/Castro/Baez/Rizzo one could be better.
And Russell.
I think you were looking for an "or" there.
Quote from: SKO on July 18, 2014, 10:14:36 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 18, 2014, 10:11:21 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 18, 2014, 10:06:59 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 18, 2014, 09:48:59 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 17, 2014, 05:41:41 PM
Baez at 2B for Iowa tonight.
Sploosh.
And his manager says he'll be playing there "over the next several days". Sploosh.
The first (and best) Cubs' infield I ever saw was Santo/Kessinger/Beckert/Banks. A Bryant/Castro/Baez/Rizzo one could be better.
And Russell.
I think you were looking for an "or" there.
Not thinking it's going to be an "or" but a "when."
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 18, 2014, 10:28:51 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 18, 2014, 10:14:36 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 18, 2014, 10:11:21 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 18, 2014, 10:06:59 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 18, 2014, 09:48:59 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 17, 2014, 05:41:41 PM
Baez at 2B for Iowa tonight.
Sploosh.
And his manager says he'll be playing there "over the next several days". Sploosh.
The first (and best) Cubs' infield I ever saw was Santo/Kessinger/Beckert/Banks. A Bryant/Castro/Baez/Rizzo one could be better.
And Russell.
I think you were looking for an "or" there.
Not thinking it's going to be an "or" but a "when."
When Russell.
Quote from: SKO on July 18, 2014, 10:14:36 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 18, 2014, 10:11:21 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 18, 2014, 10:06:59 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 18, 2014, 09:48:59 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 17, 2014, 05:41:41 PM
Baez at 2B for Iowa tonight.
Sploosh.
And his manager says he'll be playing there "over the next several days". Sploosh.
The first (and best) Cubs' infield I ever saw was Santo/Kessinger/Beckert/Banks. A Bryant/Castro/Baez/Rizzo one could be better.
And Russell.
I think you were looking for an "or" there.
Just wait until the National League adopts short center field.
I played a few innings as the Royals last night in MLB The Show and realized that the Royals had a few can't miss hitters and now some of those guys look very average.
So as we get closer to ground zero and these guys are no longer prospects I'm sure I'll fall to pieces.
Quote from: Slaky on July 18, 2014, 10:43:34 AM
I played a few innings as the Royals last night in MLB The Show and realized that the Royals had a few can't miss hitters and now some of those guys look very average.
So as we get closer to ground zero and these guys are no longer prospects I'm sure I'll fall to pieces.
Thanks, Eli.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 18, 2014, 10:44:07 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 18, 2014, 10:43:34 AM
I played a few innings as the Royals last night in MLB The Show and realized that the Royals had a few can't miss hitters and now some of those guys look very average.
So as we get closer to ground zero and these guys are no longer prospects I'm sure I'll fall to pieces.
Thanks, Eli Weebs.
Watch the real games'd
Quote from: SKO on July 18, 2014, 10:14:36 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 18, 2014, 10:11:21 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 18, 2014, 10:06:59 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 18, 2014, 09:48:59 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 17, 2014, 05:41:41 PM
Baez at 2B for Iowa tonight.
Sploosh.
And his manager says he'll be playing there "over the next several days". Sploosh.
The first (and best) Cubs' infield I ever saw was Santo/Kessinger/Beckert/Banks. A Bryant/Castro/Baez/Rizzo one could be better.
And Russell.
I think you were looking for an "or" there.
Remember, they're ALL going to play SS.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 18, 2014, 10:52:04 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 18, 2014, 10:14:36 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 18, 2014, 10:11:21 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 18, 2014, 10:06:59 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 18, 2014, 09:48:59 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 17, 2014, 05:41:41 PM
Baez at 2B for Iowa tonight.
Sploosh.
And his manager says he'll be playing there "over the next several days". Sploosh.
The first (and best) Cubs' infield I ever saw was Santo/Kessinger/Beckert/Banks. A Bryant/Castro/Baez/Rizzo one could be better.
And Russell.
I think you were looking for an "or" there.
Remember, they're ALL going to play SS.
Just gonna keep posting this.
Rizzo - Baez - Russell - Castro - Bryant
R-L in 2015.
(http://nbchardballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/screen-shot-2014-03-04-at-4-03-43-pm.png?w=758&h=476)
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 18, 2014, 10:52:04 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 18, 2014, 10:14:36 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 18, 2014, 10:11:21 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 18, 2014, 10:06:59 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 18, 2014, 09:48:59 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 17, 2014, 05:41:41 PM
Baez at 2B for Iowa tonight.
Sploosh.
And his manager says he'll be playing there "over the next several days". Sploosh.
The first (and best) Cubs' infield I ever saw was Santo/Kessinger/Beckert/Banks. A Bryant/Castro/Baez/Rizzo one could be better.
And Russell.
I think you were looking for an "or" there.
Remember, they're ALL going to play SS.
Optimus Short.
Another day, another BUMP for this awesome thread.
Baez, Bryant, Schwarber and Jen-Ho.
Quote from: Fork on July 18, 2014, 11:10:49 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 18, 2014, 10:52:04 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 18, 2014, 10:14:36 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 18, 2014, 10:11:21 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 18, 2014, 10:06:59 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 18, 2014, 09:48:59 AM
Quote from: Fork on July 17, 2014, 05:41:41 PM
Baez at 2B for Iowa tonight.
Sploosh.
And his manager says he'll be playing there "over the next several days". Sploosh.
The first (and best) Cubs' infield I ever saw was Santo/Kessinger/Beckert/Banks. A Bryant/Castro/Baez/Rizzo one could be better.
And Russell.
I think you were looking for an "or" there.
Remember, they're ALL going to play SS.
Optimus Short.
I can only assume that's some sort of arcane Oleg joke.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 19, 2014, 10:06:49 AM
Another day, another BUMP for this awesome thread.
Baez, Bryant, Schwarber and Jen-Ho.
Kris Bryant has 33 HR's this season. It just makes me laugh, really.
Javi Baez hit his 16th HR and had 6 hits over the weekend and only K'd once. Of course, I read this elsewhere, but over his last 16 games he's only K'd 15 times. Over 70 PA's--that's a K rate of 21.4% by my math. He's hit .290/.343/.629/.972 with 5 HR and 6 2B so far in July.
Tseng gave up only a hit in 6 IP.
Addison Russell hit two HR's on the weekend, one of which was a grand slam.
Albert Almora had a 7 hit weekend; 3 of those were doubles. So far in July, Almora's hitting .377/.403/.638/1.040 with 3 HR, 5 2B and 2 3B; 10 K and 0 BB over those 72 PA's. His BaBIP is astronomical (I think) at .411.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 21, 2014, 08:57:38 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 19, 2014, 10:06:49 AM
Another day, another BUMP for this awesome thread.
Baez, Bryant, Schwarber and Jen-Ho.
Kris Bryant has 33 HR's this season. It just makes me laugh, really.
Javi Baez hit his 16th HR and had 6 hits over the weekend and only K'd once. Of course, I read this elsewhere, but over his last 16 games he's only K'd 15 times. Over 70 PA's--that's a K rate of 21.4% by my math. He's hit .290/.343/.629/.972 with 5 HR and 6 2B so far in July.
Tseng gave up only a hit in 6 IP.
Addison Russell hit two HR's on the weekend, one of which was a grand slam.
Albert Almora had a 7 hit weekend; 3 of those were doubles. So far in July, Almora's hitting .377/.403/.638/1.040 with 3 HR, 5 2B and 2 3B; 10 K and 0 BB over those 72 PA's. His BaBIP is astronomical (I think) at .411.
I don't want to say I'm happy Baez slumped as poorly as he did to start the season, but the way he's crawled his way back and made adjustments is very encouraging to see, and shows he can handle struggling and not let it get to him. His overall numbers now are definitely respectable again. OPS is inching back towards that arbitrary .800 threshold that makes me feel good.
Chuck just traded Vogelbach, Castro and Edwards for Price on Twitter.
As if that's a trade Friedman would accept. Or that Hoyer would make.
Quote from: Slaky on July 21, 2014, 02:27:11 PM
Chuck just traded Vogelbach, Castro and Edwards for Price on Twitter.
As if that's a trade Friedman would accept. Or that Hoyer would make.
MLB didn't even charge me the transaction fee!
It's increasingly likely
Quote from: SKO on July 21, 2014, 02:43:45 PM
It's increasingly likely
Chuck won't rest until every Jim Hendry acquisition is purged from the organization. That includes both humans and Schwan's subscriptions.
Quote from: R-V on July 21, 2014, 02:50:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 21, 2014, 02:43:45 PM
It's increasingly likely
Chuck won't rest until every Jim Hendry acquisition is purged from the organization. That includes both humans and Schwan's subscriptions.
It's funny because Schwan's is a client of ours and all their customers are dead.
Quote from: R-V on July 21, 2014, 02:50:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 21, 2014, 02:43:45 PM
It's increasingly likely
Chuck won't rest until every Jim Hendry acquisition is purged from the organization. That includes both humans and Schwan's subscriptions.
I'm resting comfortably as Theo's doing a bangup job of it. I think it's down to four left (not counting the zombie prospects like Vitters):
Castro
Baez
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 21, 2014, 02:58:35 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 21, 2014, 02:50:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 21, 2014, 02:43:45 PM
It's increasingly likely
Chuck won't rest until every Jim Hendry acquisition is purged from the organization. That includes both humans and Schwan's subscriptions.
I'm resting comfortably as Theo's doing a bangup job of it. I think it's down to four left (not counting the zombie prospects like Vitters):
Castro
Baez
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Can't wait to get rid of these losers! ! ! ! !!!!
Quote from: Slaky on July 21, 2014, 03:00:41 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 21, 2014, 02:58:35 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 21, 2014, 02:50:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 21, 2014, 02:43:45 PM
It's increasingly likely
Chuck won't rest until every Jim Hendry acquisition is purged from the organization. That includes both humans and Schwan's subscriptions.
I'm resting comfortably as Theo's doing a bangup job of it. I think it's down to four left (not counting the zombie prospects like Vitters):
Castro
Baez
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Can't wait to get rid of these losers! ! ! ! !!!!
Especially for Price and Stanton! ! ! ! !!!!
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 21, 2014, 03:12:39 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 21, 2014, 03:00:41 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 21, 2014, 02:58:35 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 21, 2014, 02:50:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 21, 2014, 02:43:45 PM
It's increasingly likely
Chuck won't rest until every Jim Hendry acquisition is purged from the organization. That includes both humans and Schwan's subscriptions.
I'm resting comfortably as Theo's doing a bangup job of it. I think it's down to four left (not counting the zombie prospects like Vitters):
Castro
Baez
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Can't wait to get rid of these losers! ! ! ! !!!!
Especially for Price and Stanton! ! ! ! !!!!
Both of whom will be free agents in the next year or two anyway and could be signed for nothing! ! ! ! !!!!
Quote from: Slaky on July 21, 2014, 03:00:41 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 21, 2014, 02:58:35 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 21, 2014, 02:50:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 21, 2014, 02:43:45 PM
It's increasingly likely
Chuck won't rest until every Jim Hendry acquisition is purged from the organization. That includes both humans and Schwan's subscriptions.
I'm resting comfortably as Theo's doing a bangup job of it. I think it's down to four left (not counting the zombie prospects like Vitters):
Castro
Baez
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Can't wait to get rid of these losers! ! ! ! !!!!
In fairness to Chuck, I'd be pretty damn shocked if Vogelbach ever calls Wrigley Field home.
Quote from: Fork on July 21, 2014, 03:18:30 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 21, 2014, 03:00:41 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 21, 2014, 02:58:35 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 21, 2014, 02:50:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 21, 2014, 02:43:45 PM
It's increasingly likely
Chuck won't rest until every Jim Hendry acquisition is purged from the organization. That includes both humans and Schwan's subscriptions.
I'm resting comfortably as Theo's doing a bangup job of it. I think it's down to four left (not counting the zombie prospects like Vitters):
Castro
Baez
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Can't wait to get rid of these losers! ! ! ! !!!!
In fairness to Chuck, I'd be pretty damn shocked if Vogelbach ever calls Wrigley Field home.
Sure but he's not fetching a top of the line SP without a lot of help.
Quote from: Slaky on July 21, 2014, 03:27:37 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 21, 2014, 03:18:30 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 21, 2014, 03:00:41 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 21, 2014, 02:58:35 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 21, 2014, 02:50:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 21, 2014, 02:43:45 PM
It's increasingly likely
Chuck won't rest until every Jim Hendry acquisition is purged from the organization. That includes both humans and Schwan's subscriptions.
I'm resting comfortably as Theo's doing a bangup job of it. I think it's down to four left (not counting the zombie prospects like Vitters):
Castro
Baez
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Can't wait to get rid of these losers! ! ! ! !!!!
In fairness to Chuck, I'd be pretty damn shocked if Vogelbach ever calls Wrigley Field home.
Sure but he's not fetching a top of the line SP without a lot of help.
I'm not sure he'd fetch another Edwin Jackson. This is his third pro season, and he's still in A ball.
Quote from: Fork on July 21, 2014, 03:31:56 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 21, 2014, 03:27:37 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 21, 2014, 03:18:30 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 21, 2014, 03:00:41 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 21, 2014, 02:58:35 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 21, 2014, 02:50:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 21, 2014, 02:43:45 PM
It's increasingly likely
Chuck won't rest until every Jim Hendry acquisition is purged from the organization. That includes both humans and Schwan's subscriptions.
I'm resting comfortably as Theo's doing a bangup job of it. I think it's down to four left (not counting the zombie prospects like Vitters):
Castro
Baez
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Can't wait to get rid of these losers! ! ! ! !!!!
In fairness to Chuck, I'd be pretty damn shocked if Vogelbach ever calls Wrigley Field home.
Sure but he's not fetching a top of the line SP without a lot of help.
I'm not sure he'd fetch another Edwin Jackson. This is his third pro season, and he's still in A ball.
And he has a BMI of 33.9, which according to Thrill's list means he's going to literally die in the next 2 years.
Quote from: Tonker on July 21, 2014, 03:17:38 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 21, 2014, 03:12:39 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 21, 2014, 03:00:41 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 21, 2014, 02:58:35 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 21, 2014, 02:50:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 21, 2014, 02:43:45 PM
It's increasingly likely
Chuck won't rest until every Jim Hendry acquisition is purged from the organization. That includes both humans and Schwan's subscriptions.
I'm resting comfortably as Theo's doing a bangup job of it. I think it's down to four left (not counting the zombie prospects like Vitters):
Castro
Baez
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Can't wait to get rid of these losers! ! ! ! !!!!
Especially for Price and Stanton! ! ! ! !!!!
Both of whom will be free agents in the next year or two anyway and could be signed for nothing! ! ! ! !!!!
Seriously, Chuck... can you please explain why they would trade an all-star for a player that will be a free agent after next season?
Quote from: Tony on July 21, 2014, 03:35:47 PM
Quote from: Tonker on July 21, 2014, 03:17:38 PM
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 21, 2014, 02:58:35 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 21, 2014, 02:50:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 21, 2014, 02:43:45 PM
It's increasingly likely
Chuck won't rest until every Jim Hendry acquisition is purged from the organization. That includes both humans and Schwan's subscriptions.
I'm resting comfortably as Theo's doing a bangup job of it. I think it's down to four left (not counting the zombie prospects like Vitters):
Castro
Baez
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Can't wait to get rid of these losers! ! ! ! !!!!
Especially for Price and Stanton! ! ! ! !!!!
Both of whom will be free agents in the next year or two anyway and could be signed for nothing! ! ! ! !!!!
Seriously, Chuck... can you please explain why they would trade an all-star for a player that will be a free agent after next season?
Nonononononononononononono
Quote from: Tony on July 21, 2014, 03:35:47 PM
Quote from: Tonker on July 21, 2014, 03:17:38 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 21, 2014, 03:12:39 PM
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 21, 2014, 02:58:35 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 21, 2014, 02:50:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 21, 2014, 02:43:45 PM
It's increasingly likely
Chuck won't rest until every Jim Hendry acquisition is purged from the organization. That includes both humans and Schwan's subscriptions.
I'm resting comfortably as Theo's doing a bangup job of it. I think it's down to four left (not counting the zombie prospects like Vitters):
Castro
Baez
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Can't wait to get rid of these losers! ! ! ! !!!!
Especially for Price and Stanton! ! ! ! !!!!
Both of whom will be free agents in the next year or two anyway and could be signed for nothing! ! ! ! !!!!
Seriously, Chuck... can you please explain why they would trade an all-star for a player that will be a free agent after next season?
Because an exclusive negotiating window is worth an all star shortstop and some change
Quote from: SKO on July 21, 2014, 04:04:27 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 21, 2014, 03:35:47 PM
Quote from: Tonker on July 21, 2014, 03:17:38 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 21, 2014, 03:12:39 PM
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 21, 2014, 02:58:35 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 21, 2014, 02:50:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 21, 2014, 02:43:45 PM
It's increasingly likely
Chuck won't rest until every Jim Hendry acquisition is purged from the organization. That includes both humans and Schwan's subscriptions.
I'm resting comfortably as Theo's doing a bangup job of it. I think it's down to four left (not counting the zombie prospects like Vitters):
Castro
Baez
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Can't wait to get rid of these losers! ! ! ! !!!!
Especially for Price and Stanton! ! ! ! !!!!
Both of whom will be free agents in the next year or two anyway and could be signed for nothing! ! ! ! !!!!
Seriously, Chuck... can you please explain why they would trade an all-star for a player that will be a free agent after next season?
Because an exclusive negotiating window is worth an all star shortstop and some change
That's Yellonesque. Anyone who says this blows dudes at nude beaches and commits unfortunate murders afterward.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 21, 2014, 03:35:14 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 21, 2014, 03:31:56 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 21, 2014, 03:27:37 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 21, 2014, 03:18:30 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 21, 2014, 03:00:41 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 21, 2014, 02:58:35 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 21, 2014, 02:50:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 21, 2014, 02:43:45 PM
It's increasingly likely
Chuck won't rest until every Jim Hendry acquisition is purged from the organization. That includes both humans and Schwan's subscriptions.
I'm resting comfortably as Theo's doing a bangup job of it. I think it's down to four left (not counting the zombie prospects like Vitters):
Castro
Baez
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Can't wait to get rid of these losers! ! ! ! !!!!
In fairness to Chuck, I'd be pretty damn shocked if Vogelbach ever calls Wrigley Field home.
Sure but he's not fetching a top of the line SP without a lot of help.
I'm not sure he'd fetch another Edwin Jackson. This is his third pro season, and he's still in A ball.
And he has a BMI of 33.9, which according to Thrill's list means he's going to literally die in the next 2 years.
He's smaller than his listed 250 lbs., but he's still a DH in a National League team's system.
Quote from: Fork on July 21, 2014, 04:41:01 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 21, 2014, 03:35:14 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 21, 2014, 03:31:56 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 21, 2014, 03:27:37 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 21, 2014, 03:18:30 PM
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 21, 2014, 02:58:35 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 21, 2014, 02:50:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 21, 2014, 02:43:45 PM
It's increasingly likely
Chuck won't rest until every Jim Hendry acquisition is purged from the organization. That includes both humans and Schwan's subscriptions.
I'm resting comfortably as Theo's doing a bangup job of it. I think it's down to four left (not counting the zombie prospects like Vitters):
Castro
Baez
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Can't wait to get rid of these losers! ! ! ! !!!!
In fairness to Chuck, I'd be pretty damn shocked if Vogelbach ever calls Wrigley Field home.
Sure but he's not fetching a top of the line SP without a lot of help.
I'm not sure he'd fetch another Edwin Jackson. This is his third pro season, and he's still in A ball.
And he has a BMI of 33.9, which according to Thrill's list means he's going to literally die in the next 2 years.
He's smaller than his listed 250 lbs., but he's still a DH in a National League team's system.
And he's just not that good.
I think he's barely one of their top 20 prospects at this point.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 21, 2014, 04:57:21 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 21, 2014, 04:41:01 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 21, 2014, 03:35:14 PM
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Quote from: Slaky on July 21, 2014, 03:27:37 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 21, 2014, 03:18:30 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 21, 2014, 03:00:41 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 21, 2014, 02:58:35 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 21, 2014, 02:50:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 21, 2014, 02:43:45 PM
It's increasingly likely
Chuck won't rest until every Jim Hendry acquisition is purged from the organization. That includes both humans and Schwan's subscriptions.
I'm resting comfortably as Theo's doing a bangup job of it. I think it's down to four left (not counting the zombie prospects like Vitters):
Castro
Baez
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Can't wait to get rid of these losers! ! ! ! !!!!
In fairness to Chuck, I'd be pretty damn shocked if Vogelbach ever calls Wrigley Field home.
Sure but he's not fetching a top of the line SP without a lot of help.
I'm not sure he'd fetch another Edwin Jackson. This is his third pro season, and he's still in A ball.
And he has a BMI of 33.9, which according to Thrill's list means he's going to literally die in the next 2 years.
He's smaller than his listed 250 lbs., but he's still a DH in a National League team's system.
And he's just not that good.
I think he's barely one of their top 20 prospects at this point.
He's no ROCK SHOULDERS, that's for sure.
Quote from: Fork on July 21, 2014, 03:18:30 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 21, 2014, 03:00:41 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 21, 2014, 02:58:35 PM
Quote from: R-V on July 21, 2014, 02:50:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 21, 2014, 02:43:45 PM
It's increasingly likely
Chuck won't rest until every Jim Hendry acquisition is purged from the organization. That includes both humans and Schwan's subscriptions.
I'm resting comfortably as Theo's doing a bangup job of it. I think it's down to four left (not counting the zombie prospects like Vitters):
Castro
Baez
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Can't wait to get rid of these losers! ! ! ! !!!!
In fairness to Chuck, I'd be pretty damn shocked if Vogelbach ever calls Wrigley Field home.
Are you saying he'd live in the Rod Beck Memorial RV behind the outfield wall in Des Moines?
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It's increasingly likely
Chuck won't rest until every Jim Hendry acquisition is purged from the organization. That includes both humans and Schwan's subscriptions.
I'm resting comfortably as Theo's doing a bangup job of it. I think it's down to four left (not counting the zombie prospects like Vitters):
Castro
Baez
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Can't wait to get rid of these losers! ! ! ! !!!!
Especially for Price and Stanton! ! ! ! !!!!
Both of whom will be free agents in the next year or two anyway and could be signed for nothing! ! ! ! !!!!
Seriously, Chuck... can you please explain why they would trade an all-star for a player that will be a free agent after next season?
Because an exclusive negotiating window is worth an all star shortstop and some change
That's Yellonesque. Anyone who says this blows dudes at nude beaches and commits unfortunate murders afterward.
I feel like my Desipio green font has been broken for a while
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It's increasingly likely
Chuck won't rest until every Jim Hendry acquisition is purged from the organization. That includes both humans and Schwan's subscriptions.
I'm resting comfortably as Theo's doing a bangup job of it. I think it's down to four left (not counting the zombie prospects like Vitters):
Castro
Baez
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Can't wait to get rid of these losers! ! ! ! !!!!
Especially for Price and Stanton! ! ! ! !!!!
Both of whom will be free agents in the next year or two anyway and could be signed for nothing! ! ! ! !!!!
Seriously, Chuck... can you please explain why they would trade an all-star for a player that will be a free agent after next season?
Because an exclusive negotiating window is worth an all star shortstop and some change
That's Yellonesque. Anyone who says this blows dudes at nude beaches and commits unfortunate murders afterward.
I feel like my Desipio green font has been broken for a while
Maybe Apex has a black and white monitor.
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It's increasingly likely
Chuck won't rest until every Jim Hendry acquisition is purged from the organization. That includes both humans and Schwan's subscriptions.
I'm resting comfortably as Theo's doing a bangup job of it. I think it's down to four left (not counting the zombie prospects like Vitters):
Castro
Baez
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Can't wait to get rid of these losers! ! ! ! !!!!
Especially for Price and Stanton! ! ! ! !!!!
Both of whom will be free agents in the next year or two anyway and could be signed for nothing! ! ! ! !!!!
Seriously, Chuck... can you please explain why they would trade an all-star for a player that will be a free agent after next season?
Because an exclusive negotiating window is worth an all star shortstop and some change
That's Yellonesque. Anyone who says this blows dudes at nude beaches and commits unfortunate murders afterward.
I feel like my Desipio green font has been broken for a while
May not have seemed like it but I knew you were joking.
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It's increasingly likely
Chuck won't rest until every Jim Hendry acquisition is purged from the organization. That includes both humans and Schwan's subscriptions.
I'm resting comfortably as Theo's doing a bangup job of it. I think it's down to four left (not counting the zombie prospects like Vitters):
Castro
Baez
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Can't wait to get rid of these losers! ! ! ! !!!!
Especially for Price and Stanton! ! ! ! !!!!
Both of whom will be free agents in the next year or two anyway and could be signed for nothing! ! ! ! !!!!
Seriously, Chuck... can you please explain why they would trade an all-star for a player that will be a free agent after next season?
Because an exclusive negotiating window is worth an all star shortstop and some change
That's Yellonesque. Anyone who says this blows dudes at nude beaches and commits unfortunate murders afterward.
I feel like my Desipio green font has been broken for a while
May not have seemed like it but I knew you were joking.
Is there a list of the tenets of Pexism somewhere?
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It's increasingly likely
Chuck won't rest until every Jim Hendry acquisition is purged from the organization. That includes both humans and Schwan's subscriptions.
I'm resting comfortably as Theo's doing a bangup job of it. I think it's down to four left (not counting the zombie prospects like Vitters):
Castro
Baez
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Can't wait to get rid of these losers! ! ! ! !!!!
Especially for Price and Stanton! ! ! ! !!!!
Both of whom will be free agents in the next year or two anyway and could be signed for nothing! ! ! ! !!!!
Seriously, Chuck... can you please explain why they would trade an all-star for a player that will be a free agent after next season?
Because an exclusive negotiating window is worth an all star shortstop and some change
That's Yellonesque. Anyone who says this blows dudes at nude beaches and commits unfortunate murders afterward.
I feel like my Desipio green font has been broken for a while
May not have seemed like it but I knew you were joking.
Is there a list of the tenets of Pexism somewhere?
Yes and no.
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Quote from: SKO on July 21, 2014, 02:43:45 PM
It's increasingly likely
Chuck won't rest until every Jim Hendry acquisition is purged from the organization. That includes both humans and Schwan's subscriptions.
I'm resting comfortably as Theo's doing a bangup job of it. I think it's down to four left (not counting the zombie prospects like Vitters):
Castro
Baez
Alcantara
Vogelbach
Can't wait to get rid of these losers! ! ! ! !!!!
Especially for Price and Stanton! ! ! ! !!!!
Both of whom will be free agents in the next year or two anyway and could be signed for nothing! ! ! ! !!!!
Seriously, Chuck... can you please explain why they would trade an all-star for a player that will be a free agent after next season?
Because an exclusive negotiating window is worth an all star shortstop and some change
That's Yellonesque. Anyone who says this blows dudes at nude beaches and commits unfortunate murders afterward.
I feel like my Desipio green font has been broken for a while
May not have seemed like it but I knew you were joking.
Is there a list of the tenets of Pexism somewhere?
Yes and no.
Saving it for the eBook, huh.
Soler got pulled after going 2-for-3, thought he was getting the call. Dammit.
Smokies said it was just part of the program so he'd get some extra rest and not miss tonight's game.
I want to talk about Mark Zagunis. Can we talk about Mark Zagunis? Since I'm THE Mark Zagunis guy and all...he was drafted in the third round in this year's draft as a catcher out of Virginia Tech.
So far this year, he's hit .319/.431/.473/.904 with a HR and 7 2B with 15 BB/20 K in 109 PA's. He's played catcher, LF and did some DH-ing. He's not a Kyle Schwarber or Kris Bryant talent, right? But it feels like he's always doing something right when I read the minor league boxes (otherwise known as Bleacher Nation). He's 21 and has risen from rookie ball to Boise
I think what I'm saying here is "Hey, we might have a useful player!" He profiles as a doubles hitter with meh power, but looks to have an educated guess at the plate as he's drawn walks. So, TEAM ZAGUNIS!
Anyone have anything more to add to that meatballery, be my guess. Oh, for those in the SBox for the discussion yesterday, Mark Zagunis looks exactly like what you would expect a Mark Zagunis to look like.
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I want to talk about Mark Zagunis. Can we talk about Mark Zagunis? Since I'm THE Mark Zagunis guy and all...he was drafted in the third round in this year's draft as a catcher out of Virginia Tech.
So far this year, he's hit .319/.431/.473/.904 with a HR and 7 2B with 15 BB/20 K in 109 PA's. He's played catcher, LF and did some DH-ing. He's not a Kyle Schwarber or Kris Bryant talent, right? But it feels like he's always doing something right when I read the minor league boxes (otherwise known as Bleacher Nation). He's 21 and has risen from rookie ball to Boise
I think what I'm saying here is "Hey, we might have a useful player!" He profiles as a doubles hitter with meh power, but looks to have an educated guess at the plate as he's drawn walks. So, TEAM ZAGUNIS!
Anyone have anything more to add to that meatballery, be my guess. Oh, for those in the SBox for the discussion yesterday, Mark Zagunis looks exactly like what you would expect a Mark Zagunis to look like.
Black, jewish and female?
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 22, 2014, 08:53:50 AM
I want to talk about Mark Zagunis. Can we talk about Mark Zagunis? Since I'm THE Mark Zagunis guy and all...he was drafted in the third round in this year's draft as a catcher out of Virginia Tech.
So far this year, he's hit .319/.431/.473/.904 with a HR and 7 2B with 15 BB/20 K in 109 PA's. He's played catcher, LF and did some DH-ing. He's not a Kyle Schwarber or Kris Bryant talent, right? But it feels like he's always doing something right when I read the minor league boxes (otherwise known as Bleacher Nation). He's 21 and has risen from rookie ball to Boise
I think what I'm saying here is "Hey, we might have a useful player!" He profiles as a doubles hitter with meh power, but looks to have an educated guess at the plate as he's drawn walks. So, TEAM ZAGUNIS!
Anyone have anything more to add to that meatballery, be my guess. Oh, for those in the SBox for the discussion yesterday, Mark Zagunis looks exactly like what you would expect a Mark Zagunis to look like.
This felt like a 5th grader reading a book report to the class, and it was adorable.
What's the point in having TIME TO POST! if you fuckers don't read?
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Remember how there were no catchers in the organization?
Aside from SKOwarber, Mark Zagunis is treating pitching in the Northwest League with disdain.
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Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 22, 2014, 08:53:50 AM
I want to talk about Mark Zagunis. Can we talk about Mark Zagunis? Since I'm THE Mark Zagunis guy and all...he was drafted in the third round in this year's draft as a catcher out of Virginia Tech.
So far this year, he's hit .319/.431/.473/.904 with a HR and 7 2B with 15 BB/20 K in 109 PA's. He's played catcher, LF and did some DH-ing. He's not a Kyle Schwarber or Kris Bryant talent, right? But it feels like he's always doing something right when I read the minor league boxes (otherwise known as Bleacher Nation). He's 21 and has risen from rookie ball to Boise
I think what I'm saying here is "Hey, we might have a useful player!" He profiles as a doubles hitter with meh power, but looks to have an educated guess at the plate as he's drawn walks. So, TEAM ZAGUNIS!
Anyone have anything more to add to that meatballery, be my guess. Oh, for those in the SBox for the discussion yesterday, Mark Zagunis looks exactly like what you would expect a Mark Zagunis to look like.
This felt like a 5th grader reading a book report to the class, and it was adorable.
He also can't throw a runner out to save his life.
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Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 22, 2014, 08:53:50 AM
I want to talk about Mark Zagunis. Can we talk about Mark Zagunis? Since I'm THE Mark Zagunis guy and all...he was drafted in the third round in this year's draft as a catcher out of Virginia Tech.
So far this year, he's hit .319/.431/.473/.904 with a HR and 7 2B with 15 BB/20 K in 109 PA's. He's played catcher, LF and did some DH-ing. He's not a Kyle Schwarber or Kris Bryant talent, right? But it feels like he's always doing something right when I read the minor league boxes (otherwise known as Bleacher Nation). He's 21 and has risen from rookie ball to Boise
I think what I'm saying here is "Hey, we might have a useful player!" He profiles as a doubles hitter with meh power, but looks to have an educated guess at the plate as he's drawn walks. So, TEAM ZAGUNIS!
Anyone have anything more to add to that meatballery, be my guess. Oh, for those in the SBox for the discussion yesterday, Mark Zagunis looks exactly like what you would expect a Mark Zagunis to look like.
This felt like a 5th grader reading a book report to the class, and it was adorable.
He also can't throw a runner out to save his life.
I haevn't been able to see any of his games this year - is that the runners getting good jumps off the pitcher or his having release/throw issues?
Quote from: Fork on July 22, 2014, 11:05:22 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 22, 2014, 09:59:26 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 22, 2014, 08:57:54 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 22, 2014, 08:53:50 AM
I want to talk about Mark Zagunis. Can we talk about Mark Zagunis? Since I'm THE Mark Zagunis guy and all...he was drafted in the third round in this year's draft as a catcher out of Virginia Tech.
So far this year, he's hit .319/.431/.473/.904 with a HR and 7 2B with 15 BB/20 K in 109 PA's. He's played catcher, LF and did some DH-ing. He's not a Kyle Schwarber or Kris Bryant talent, right? But it feels like he's always doing something right when I read the minor league boxes (otherwise known as Bleacher Nation). He's 21 and has risen from rookie ball to Boise
I think what I'm saying here is "Hey, we might have a useful player!" He profiles as a doubles hitter with meh power, but looks to have an educated guess at the plate as he's drawn walks. So, TEAM ZAGUNIS!
Anyone have anything more to add to that meatballery, be my guess. Oh, for those in the SBox for the discussion yesterday, Mark Zagunis looks exactly like what you would expect a Mark Zagunis to look like.
This felt like a 5th grader reading a book report to the class, and it was adorable.
He also can't throw a runner out to save his life.
I haevn't been able to see any of his games this year - is that the runners getting good jumps off the pitcher or his having release/throw issues?
From his scouting report:
QuoteThe lone red flag – and it's pretty glaring at this point – is his inability to control the run game. He has nabbed just about 20% of would-be base stealers this season.
Best farm system in baseball (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/post/_/id/2575&ex_cid=InsiderTwitter_top5farmsystems) (Insider Protected, but I saw all I needed to.)
Edited to share a link with some quotes (http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2014/07/keith-law-ranks-cubs-farm-system-the-best-in-baseball.php#.U86kCrHt-Rg)from Law's piece.
Soler to Iowa. Almora to Tennessee. Tomorrow.
2015 is going to be fun. 2016 is going to be awesome.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 22, 2014, 10:38:28 PM
Soler to Iowa. Almora to Tennessee. Tomorrow.
2015 is going to be fun. 2016 is going to be awesome.
Also some prospect named Arismendy Alcantara hit one out on to Sheffield today.
Olt back to Iowa. If only I had said he'd be terrible like 400 times this spring.
Quote from: Slaky on July 22, 2014, 11:04:18 PM
Olt back to Iowa. If only I had said he'd be terrible like 400 times this spring.
(https://sarahallegra.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/richard2.jpg)
Quote from: Slaky on July 22, 2014, 11:04:18 PM
Olt back to Iowa. If only I had said he'd be terrible like 400 times this spring.
I used to REALLY care about prospects like Mike Olt...the ones with manly face stubble and handsome features, big thighs and power to hit baseballs over the moon. But when they suck in Chicago and it's apparent that they will continue to suck, I'd get sad. I'm not sad about this. There are about 37 other prospects in the Cubs syetem that are way better than Mike Olt, so it really doesn't matter.
For real, though, I hope Olt can make some adjustments and be useful. If he can be an asset to the Cubs, either in their uniform or in a trade, than I'll be happy.
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 22, 2014, 10:38:28 PM
Soler to Iowa. Almora to Tennessee. Tomorrow.
2015 is going to be fun. 2016 is going to be awesome.
Also some prospect named Arismendy Alcantara hit one out on to Sheffield today.
HOW MANY MORE TEARS, THEO?
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 22, 2014, 10:38:28 PM
Soler to Iowa. Almora to Tennessee. Tomorrow.
2015 is going to be fun. 2016 is going to be awesome.
Also some prospect named Arismendy Alcantara hit one out on to Sheffield today.
so you're saying we can flip these guys for Francoeur?
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 22, 2014, 10:38:28 PM
Soler to Iowa. Almora to Tennessee. Tomorrow.
2015 is going to be fun. 2016 is going to be awesome.
Also some prospect named Arismendy Alcantara hit one out on to Sheffield today.
so you're saying we can flip these guys for Francoeur?
There'd be little to no downside.
Anyone want to volunteer to go check on Eli?
He sure has been quiet the past few days with all this good news.
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Soler to Iowa. Almora to Tennessee. Tomorrow.
2015 is going to be fun. 2016 is going to be awesome.
Also some prospect named Arismendy Alcantara hit one out on to Sheffield today.
so you're saying we can flip these guys for Francoeur?
There'd be little to no downside.
DPD.
So, apparently in addition to doing some decent hitting in AAA (.294 with 15 homers and a .790 OPS) Francouer is
pitching in El Paso this season.
6.1 IP, 4.26 ERA, 4/3 K:BB ratio.
Huge missed opportunity for the Cubs here.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 15, 2014, 10:09:33 AM
With all the focus on hitting...
2 of the big 3 high school pitchers from this year's draft have made their debuts in the last two days in AZL, Justin Steele and Carson Sands (the one with the insanely hot girlfriend I posted a few weeks back.) Dylan Cease is the 3rd, will undergo TJ at some point in the next month.
Early returns are awesome, small sample size and all.
Sands: 2 IP, 0 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 4 K
Steele: 1 IP, 0 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 3 K
Basically, they're on pace to never give up a hit or a walk and pretty much strikeout everyone.
They're both 19.
Also, 8th round pick, Tommy Thorpe has just started pitching in AZL as well:
2 IP, 1 H, 0 BB, 2 K
11th round pick, Jordan Brink is also in AZL:
1 IP, 0 H, 0 BB, 2 K
7th Round pick James Norwood is already in Boise:
2 IP, 0 H, 0 BB, 4 K
10th round pick Ryan Williams is also in Boise:
2 IP, 0 H, 0 BB, 2 K
At this point, pretty much all the Cubs main draft picks from 2014 have debuted, just waiting on Jake Stinnett (#2 pick, pitched a ton of innings in college this year and will probably throw a bit in a month or so) and Cease. 9th round pick James Farris is in AZL, but hasn't debuted yet.
Looks like we can look forward to a long future of perfect games and no-hitters, based on early returns.
Some good updates on these guys.
Tommy Thorpe now up to 6 scoreless innings between AZL and Boise:
6 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 8 K
Justin Steele also still scoreless in AZL
4 IP, 4 H, 1 BB, 5 K
Ryan Williams still scoreless between AZL and Boise:
8 IP, 4 H, 0 BB, 10 K
Carson Sands with only 1 tough outing in AZL:
3.1 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 6 K
James Norwood, since he's gone to Boise:
4 IP, 1 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 5 K
Jordan Brink hasn't pitched since last update, so he's still perfect also.
Quick tally, that's 26.1 IP, 14 H, 2 ER, with 36 Ks and 3 BBs.
0.76 ERA, 0.65 WHIP
It's essentially the Voltron of pitching prospects.
QPD? Well, shit...whatever.
More pitching stuff:
CJ Edwards returned to the mound (AZL) after missing a few months and everything looks good.
2 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 2 K
Also, Pierce Johnson (AA) over the past 30 days:
32.2 IP, 18 H, 8 ER, 13 BB, 27 K, 2.20 ERA, 0.96 WHIP, 3 HRA
Also, Duane Underwood (A-Kane County) in July:
4 starts - 23 IP, 14 H, 4 ER, 3 BB, 24 K, 1.57 ERA, 0.74 WHIP
Thanks for letting us know you were up in the city IAN
http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-fans-love-their-prospects-even-the-fake-ones-072414
Apparently all you guys have boners for nothing. (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/26045/theo-deflects-praise-for-cubs-system#comments) According to one Pat Geraghty, that is.
QuoteSome of you cubs fans baffle me.......
What Epstein is doing isn't some magical new plan nobody knows about except for him and his front office. Teams from the beginning of baseball have tried building teams through the farm system. Some succeeded, many have failed. The successful ones have shown luck in drafting, luck in trading, and luck in signing the best players--unless you're the yankees, then you historically buy everything........but teams like the Cards or Giants in recent successes aren't all farm teams......they traded and signed free agents, what a normal club does. Where did the Cards get David Eckstein, Chris Carpenter, Isringhausen, Mike Matheny, and Jeff Suppan--all pivotal role players in the 06 WS, 04 WS Loss, and 2011 WS?
What's even worse is that some of you blame Hendry, the guy I'm sure all of you rooted for when he was assembling playoff teams and stealing small market superstar players for bust farm players. Often, farm players don't pan out. Get over it--all of these pretty cubs prospects now will not be superstars at the MLB level.
Hendry had his share of screw ups, but he ain't the reason the team is bad now nor when he left till now. Didn't know it was his fault Derek Lee would get hurt, or Rich Harden would blow out his arm, or Milton Bradley would implode after moving to a big market from a small market with no spotlight on him and nothing but success. Didnt know it was his fault Corey Patterson, Felix Pie, Micah Hoffpauir, Ryan Harvey, Josh Vitters, and other highly rated prospects when acquired would bust. Bad things happen, cant help it--its in the business. Because farm players busted, its Hendry's fault.......
Again. Don't get it. Hendry is the reason this team got as close to a WS in my life since the 84 team.......yet he's the bad guy here because fans believe what they want to. I'm glad I got to watch Derrek Lee instead of Hee Seop Choi. Aramis Ramirez over Bobby Hill. Rich Harden over Sean Gallagher and Matt Murton. Ryan Dempster when Cinci thought he was garbage. DeRosa.
To modern day cubs--one day at a time, people. A top farm system means nothing other than you have players who are really good at not the pro level.
Quote from: morpheus on July 25, 2014, 08:41:04 AM
Apparently all you guys have boners for nothing. (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/26045/theo-deflects-praise-for-cubs-system#comments) According to one Pat Geraghty, that is.
QuoteSome of you cubs fans baffle me.......
What Epstein is doing isn't some magical new plan nobody knows about except for him and his front office. Teams from the beginning of baseball have tried building teams through the farm system. Some succeeded, many have failed. The successful ones have shown luck in drafting, luck in trading, and luck in signing the best players--unless you're the yankees, then you historically buy everything........but teams like the Cards or Giants in recent successes aren't all farm teams......they traded and signed free agents, what a normal club does. Where did the Cards get David Eckstein, Chris Carpenter, Isringhausen, Mike Matheny, and Jeff Suppan--all pivotal role players in the 06 WS, 04 WS Loss, and 2011 WS?
What's even worse is that some of you blame Hendry, the guy I'm sure all of you rooted for when he was assembling playoff teams and stealing small market superstar players for bust farm players. Often, farm players don't pan out. Get over it--all of these pretty cubs prospects now will not be superstars at the MLB level.
Hendry had his share of screw ups, but he ain't the reason the team is bad now nor when he left till now. Didn't know it was his fault Derek Lee would get hurt, or Rich Harden would blow out his arm, or Milton Bradley would implode after moving to a big market from a small market with no spotlight on him and nothing but success. Didnt know it was his fault Corey Patterson, Felix Pie, Micah Hoffpauir, Ryan Harvey, Josh Vitters, and other highly rated prospects when acquired would bust. Bad things happen, cant help it--its in the business. Because farm players busted, its Hendry's fault.......
Again. Don't get it. Hendry is the reason this team got as close to a WS in my life since the 84 team.......yet he's the bad guy here because fans believe what they want to. I'm glad I got to watch Derrek Lee instead of Hee Seop Choi. Aramis Ramirez over Bobby Hill. Rich Harden over Sean Gallagher and Matt Murton. Ryan Dempster when Cinci thought he was garbage. DeRosa.
To modern day cubs--one day at a time, people. A top farm system means nothing other than you have players who are really good at not the pro level.
Oh yeah?
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 25, 2014, 09:01:39 AM
Quote from: morpheus on July 25, 2014, 08:41:04 AM
Apparently all you guys have boners for nothing. (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/26045/theo-deflects-praise-for-cubs-system#comments) According to one Pat Geraghty, that is.
QuoteSome of you cubs fans baffle me.......
What Epstein is doing isn't some magical new plan nobody knows about except for him and his front office. Teams from the beginning of baseball have tried building teams through the farm system. Some succeeded, many have failed. The successful ones have shown luck in drafting, luck in trading, and luck in signing the best players--unless you're the yankees, then you historically buy everything........but teams like the Cards or Giants in recent successes aren't all farm teams......they traded and signed free agents, what a normal club does. Where did the Cards get David Eckstein, Chris Carpenter, Isringhausen, Mike Matheny, and Jeff Suppan--all pivotal role players in the 06 WS, 04 WS Loss, and 2011 WS?
What's even worse is that some of you blame Hendry, the guy I'm sure all of you rooted for when he was assembling playoff teams and stealing small market superstar players for bust farm players. Often, farm players don't pan out. Get over it--all of these pretty cubs prospects now will not be superstars at the MLB level.
Hendry had his share of screw ups, but he ain't the reason the team is bad now nor when he left till now. Didn't know it was his fault Derek Lee would get hurt, or Rich Harden would blow out his arm, or Milton Bradley would implode after moving to a big market from a small market with no spotlight on him and nothing but success. Didnt know it was his fault Corey Patterson, Felix Pie, Micah Hoffpauir, Ryan Harvey, Josh Vitters, and other highly rated prospects when acquired would bust. Bad things happen, cant help it--its in the business. Because farm players busted, its Hendry's fault.......
Again. Don't get it. Hendry is the reason this team got as close to a WS in my life since the 84 team.......yet he's the bad guy here because fans believe what they want to. I'm glad I got to watch Derrek Lee instead of Hee Seop Choi. Aramis Ramirez over Bobby Hill. Rich Harden over Sean Gallagher and Matt Murton. Ryan Dempster when Cinci thought he was garbage. DeRosa.
To modern day cubs--one day at a time, people. A top farm system means nothing other than you have players who are really good at not the pro level.
Oh yeah?
The bolded parts are interesting because Hendry was the GM and then before that the head of the farm system so...
1)Umm...pretty much everyone knew Rich Harden's arm had a high chance of blowing out. That's kind of why he only pitched 5 innings half of the time.
2)....Hendry was frequently criticized for signing Bradley who was widely regarded as a psychopath. It's not like his personality issues Started in Chicago. I mean we all were willing to take him provided he hit like he did in Texas but still, that is something Jim Hendry as GM was well aware of before bringing him in.
3)If it's not the head of scouting and later GM's fault that every prospect fails, whose fault is it?
Quote from: SKO on July 25, 2014, 09:07:54 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 25, 2014, 09:01:39 AM
Quote from: morpheus on July 25, 2014, 08:41:04 AM
Apparently all you guys have boners for nothing. (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/26045/theo-deflects-praise-for-cubs-system#comments) According to one Pat Geraghty, that is.
QuoteSome of you cubs fans baffle me.......
What Epstein is doing isn't some magical new plan nobody knows about except for him and his front office. Teams from the beginning of baseball have tried building teams through the farm system. Some succeeded, many have failed. The successful ones have shown luck in drafting, luck in trading, and luck in signing the best players--unless you're the yankees, then you historically buy everything........but teams like the Cards or Giants in recent successes aren't all farm teams......they traded and signed free agents, what a normal club does. Where did the Cards get David Eckstein, Chris Carpenter, Isringhausen, Mike Matheny, and Jeff Suppan--all pivotal role players in the 06 WS, 04 WS Loss, and 2011 WS?
What's even worse is that some of you blame Hendry, the guy I'm sure all of you rooted for when he was assembling playoff teams and stealing small market superstar players for bust farm players. Often, farm players don't pan out. Get over it--all of these pretty cubs prospects now will not be superstars at the MLB level.
Hendry had his share of screw ups, but he ain't the reason the team is bad now nor when he left till now. Didn't know it was his fault Derek Lee would get hurt, or Rich Harden would blow out his arm, or Milton Bradley would implode after moving to a big market from a small market with no spotlight on him and nothing but success. Didnt know it was his fault Corey Patterson, Felix Pie, Micah Hoffpauir, Ryan Harvey, Josh Vitters, and other highly rated prospects when acquired would bust. Bad things happen, cant help it--its in the business. Because farm players busted, its Hendry's fault.......
Again. Don't get it. Hendry is the reason this team got as close to a WS in my life since the 84 team.......yet he's the bad guy here because fans believe what they want to. I'm glad I got to watch Derrek Lee instead of Hee Seop Choi. Aramis Ramirez over Bobby Hill. Rich Harden over Sean Gallagher and Matt Murton. Ryan Dempster when Cinci thought he was garbage. DeRosa.
To modern day cubs--one day at a time, people. A top farm system means nothing other than you have players who are really good at not the pro level.
Oh yeah?
The bolded parts are interesting because Hendry was the GM and then before that the head of the farm system so...
1)Umm...pretty much everyone knew Rich Harden's arm had a high chance of blowing out. That's kind of why he only pitched 5 innings half of the time.
2)....Hendry was frequently criticized for signing Bradley who was widely regarded as a psychopath. It's not like his personality issues Started in Chicago. I mean we all were willing to take him provided he hit like he did in Texas but still, that is something Jim Hendry as GM was well aware of before bringing him in.
3)If it's not the head of scouting and later GM's fault that every prospect fails, whose fault is it?
I thought Rich Harden only pitched 5 innings a start because he was already at 100 pitches by then.
Quote from: SKO on July 25, 2014, 09:07:54 AM
3)If it's not the head of scouting and later GM's fault that every prospect fails, whose fault is it?
Uh, Director of Player Development? Coaching staff? The unexorcised curse of the Bartgoat?
Quote from: ChuckD on July 25, 2014, 09:23:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 25, 2014, 09:07:54 AM
3)If it's not the head of scouting and later GM's fault that every prospect fails, whose fault is it?
Uh, Director of Player Development? Coaching staff? The unexorcised curse of the Bartgoat?
I will not hear another word against Oneri Fleita.
Quote from: morpheus on July 25, 2014, 08:41:04 AM
Apparently all you guys have boners for nothing. (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/26045/theo-deflects-praise-for-cubs-system#comments) According to one Pat Geraghty, that is.
QuoteSome of you cubs fans baffle me.......
What Epstein is doing isn't some magical new plan nobody knows about except for him and his front office. Teams from the beginning of baseball have tried building teams through the farm system. Some succeeded, many have failed. The successful ones have shown luck in drafting, luck in trading, and luck in signing the best players--unless you're the yankees, then you historically buy everything........but teams like the Cards or Giants in recent successes aren't all farm teams......they traded and signed free agents, what a normal club does. Where did the Cards get David Eckstein, Chris Carpenter, Isringhausen, Mike Matheny, and Jeff Suppan--all pivotal role players in the 06 WS, 04 WS Loss, and 2011 WS?
What's even worse is that some of you blame Hendry, the guy I'm sure all of you rooted for when he was assembling playoff teams and stealing small market superstar players for bust farm players. Often, farm players don't pan out. Get over it--all of these pretty cubs prospects now will not be superstars at the MLB level.
Hendry had his share of screw ups, but he ain't the reason the team is bad now nor when he left till now. Didn't know it was his fault Derek Lee would get hurt, or Rich Harden would blow out his arm, or Milton Bradley would implode after moving to a big market from a small market with no spotlight on him and nothing but success. Didnt know it was his fault Corey Patterson, Felix Pie, Micah Hoffpauir, Ryan Harvey, Josh Vitters, and other highly rated prospects when acquired would bust. Bad things happen, cant help it--its in the business. Because farm players busted, its Hendry's fault.......
Again. Don't get it. Hendry is the reason this team got as close to a WS in my life since the 84 team.......yet he's the bad guy here because fans believe what they want to. I'm glad I got to watch Derrek Lee instead of Hee Seop Choi. Aramis Ramirez over Bobby Hill. Rich Harden over Sean Gallagher and Matt Murton. Ryan Dempster when Cinci thought he was garbage. DeRosa.
To modern day cubs--one day at a time, people. A top farm system means nothing other than you have players who are really good at not the pro level.
He's seen it too many times.
Minor league baseball IS the pro level, big guy.
In Houston, the butthurt is palpable.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24639104/report-some-astros-players-upset-over-mark-appel-promotion-bullpen
Seriously, how is this story not about the Cubs? That's what a failing rebuild looks and sounds like. Complete opposite of what we have here.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 28, 2014, 01:47:34 PM
In Houston, the butthurt is palpable.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24639104/report-some-astros-players-upset-over-mark-appel-promotion-bullpen
Seriously, how is this story not about the Cubs? That's what a failing rebuild looks and sounds like. Complete opposite of what we have here.
It's literally the first time in human history that Cubs fans can be self-righteous about something.
Well, other than the White Sox.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 28, 2014, 01:47:34 PM
In Houston, the butthurt is palpable.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24639104/report-some-astros-players-upset-over-mark-appel-promotion-bullpen
Seriously, how is this story not about the Cubs? That's what a failing rebuild looks and sounds like. Complete opposite of what we have here.
When I clicked the link I assumed that for some reason the Astros had promoted Appel to big club. What the fuck do players on the major league roster care about a guy being bumped from A to AA?
Quote from: CT III on July 28, 2014, 03:08:24 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 28, 2014, 01:47:34 PM
In Houston, the butthurt is palpable.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24639104/report-some-astros-players-upset-over-mark-appel-promotion-bullpen
Seriously, how is this story not about the Cubs? That's what a failing rebuild looks and sounds like. Complete opposite of what we have here.
When I clicked the link I assumed that for some reason the Astros had promoted Appel to big club. What the fuck do players on the major league roster care about a guy being bumped from A to AA?
It seems they were more upset that he got to throw a bullpen session in front of dignitaries in Minute Maid Park. Again, no idea why that matters.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 28, 2014, 03:22:42 PM
Quote from: CT III on July 28, 2014, 03:08:24 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 28, 2014, 01:47:34 PM
In Houston, the butthurt is palpable.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24639104/report-some-astros-players-upset-over-mark-appel-promotion-bullpen
Seriously, how is this story not about the Cubs? That's what a failing rebuild looks and sounds like. Complete opposite of what we have here.
When I clicked the link I assumed that for some reason the Astros had promoted Appel to big club. What the fuck do players on the major league roster care about a guy being bumped from A to AA?
It seems they were more upset that he got to throw a bullpen session in front of dignitaries in Minute Maid Park. Again, no idea why that matters.
HOW DARE THEY TAKE A LOOK AT A HIGH-PRICED ASSET OF THEIRS.
Yeah this makes less than zero sense.
Quote from: SKO on July 28, 2014, 03:32:40 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 28, 2014, 03:22:42 PM
Quote from: CT III on July 28, 2014, 03:08:24 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 28, 2014, 01:47:34 PM
In Houston, the butthurt is palpable.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24639104/report-some-astros-players-upset-over-mark-appel-promotion-bullpen
Seriously, how is this story not about the Cubs? That's what a failing rebuild looks and sounds like. Complete opposite of what we have here.
When I clicked the link I assumed that for some reason the Astros had promoted Appel to big club. What the fuck do players on the major league roster care about a guy being bumped from A to AA?
It seems they were more upset that he got to throw a bullpen session in front of dignitaries in Minute Maid Park. Again, no idea why that matters.
HOW DARE THEY TAKE A LOOK AT A HIGH-PRICED ASSET OF THEIRS.
Yeah this makes less than zero sense.
I am also confused by this. The Astros hired a bunch of internet guys so I think everyone thought that meant they'd be smart. I guess not.
Quote from: Slaky on July 28, 2014, 03:38:02 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 28, 2014, 03:32:40 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 28, 2014, 03:22:42 PM
Quote from: CT III on July 28, 2014, 03:08:24 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 28, 2014, 01:47:34 PM
In Houston, the butthurt is palpable.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24639104/report-some-astros-players-upset-over-mark-appel-promotion-bullpen
Seriously, how is this story not about the Cubs? That's what a failing rebuild looks and sounds like. Complete opposite of what we have here.
When I clicked the link I assumed that for some reason the Astros had promoted Appel to big club. What the fuck do players on the major league roster care about a guy being bumped from A to AA?
It seems they were more upset that he got to throw a bullpen session in front of dignitaries in Minute Maid Park. Again, no idea why that matters.
HOW DARE THEY TAKE A LOOK AT A HIGH-PRICED ASSET OF THEIRS.
Yeah this makes less than zero sense.
I am also confused by this. The Astros hired a bunch of internet guys so I think everyone thought that meant they'd be smart. I guess not.
They didn't get Friedman.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 28, 2014, 03:22:42 PM
Quote from: CT III on July 28, 2014, 03:08:24 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 28, 2014, 01:47:34 PM
In Houston, the butthurt is palpable.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24639104/report-some-astros-players-upset-over-mark-appel-promotion-bullpen
Seriously, how is this story not about the Cubs? That's what a failing rebuild looks and sounds like. Complete opposite of what we have here.
When I clicked the link I assumed that for some reason the Astros had promoted Appel to big club. What the fuck do players on the major league roster care about a guy being bumped from A to AA?
It seems they were more upset that he got to throw a bullpen session in front of dignitaries in Minute Maid Park. Again, no idea why that matters.
They're upset because he's thrown the ball like shit all year when guys with better numbers at his level and higher don't get promoted and don't get flown to Houston for a bullpen session with the big club. It's unearned. Draft position doesn't really matter to most players.
Combine this with the shady way the Astros handled Brady Aiken's non-deal (and nixing Nix's agreed-to bonus) and the mood is turning on Luhnow on company. How much of this is delight that the supposed Internet nerds are failing and how much is it actual condemnation of how they're doing business?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 28, 2014, 04:24:19 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 28, 2014, 03:22:42 PM
Quote from: CT III on July 28, 2014, 03:08:24 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 28, 2014, 01:47:34 PM
In Houston, the butthurt is palpable.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24639104/report-some-astros-players-upset-over-mark-appel-promotion-bullpen
Seriously, how is this story not about the Cubs? That's what a failing rebuild looks and sounds like. Complete opposite of what we have here.
When I clicked the link I assumed that for some reason the Astros had promoted Appel to big club. What the fuck do players on the major league roster care about a guy being bumped from A to AA?
It seems they were more upset that he got to throw a bullpen session in front of dignitaries in Minute Maid Park. Again, no idea why that matters.
They're upset because he's thrown the ball like shit all year when guys with better numbers at his level and higher don't get promoted and don't get flown to Houston for a bullpen session with the big club. It's unearned. Draft position doesn't really matter to most players.
Combine this with the shady way the Astros handled Brady Aiken's non-deal (and nixing Nix'a agreed-to bonus) and the mood is turning on Luhnow on company. How many of this is delight that the supposed Internet nerds are failing and how much is it actual condemnation of how they're doing business?
Yeah believe it or not we understand What they're upset about, we just think it's really fucking stupid to be upset about that. But thanks for spelling it out, Chief.
Shit, is it not possible that they were worried Appel might have some hidden injury causing him to pitch like a turd, and they wanted to check him out? If players can't understand that a guy the club has a lot of money invested in gets a little bit more attention than ones they don't they're fucking stupid.
Quote from: SKO on July 28, 2014, 04:25:53 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 28, 2014, 04:24:19 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 28, 2014, 03:22:42 PM
Quote from: CT III on July 28, 2014, 03:08:24 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 28, 2014, 01:47:34 PM
In Houston, the butthurt is palpable.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24639104/report-some-astros-players-upset-over-mark-appel-promotion-bullpen
Seriously, how is this story not about the Cubs? That's what a failing rebuild looks and sounds like. Complete opposite of what we have here.
When I clicked the link I assumed that for some reason the Astros had promoted Appel to big club. What the fuck do players on the major league roster care about a guy being bumped from A to AA?
It seems they were more upset that he got to throw a bullpen session in front of dignitaries in Minute Maid Park. Again, no idea why that matters.
They're upset because he's thrown the ball like shit all year when guys with better numbers at his level and higher don't get promoted and don't get flown to Houston for a bullpen session with the big club. It's unearned. Draft position doesn't really matter to most players.
Combine this with the shady way the Astros handled Brady Aiken's non-deal (and nixing Nix'a agreed-to bonus) and the mood is turning on Luhnow on company. How many of this is delight that the supposed Internet nerds are failing and how much is it actual condemnation of how they're doing business?
Yeah believe it or not we understand What they're upset about, we just think it's really fucking stupid to be upset about that. But thanks for spelling it out, Chief.
No problem,...whatever your title is. The BP scouting report I read over the weekend said Appel lacks fortitude on the mound, he's not aggressive like he was at USC. Maybe this is just an excuse because no one likes him in the org.
Quote from: SKO on July 28, 2014, 04:27:25 PM
Shit, is it not possible that they were worried Appel might have some hidden injury causing him to pitch like a turd, and they wanted to check him out? If players can't understand that a guy the club has a lot of money invested in gets a little bit more attention than ones they don't they're fucking stupid.
If this were Facebook I would click the "Like" button. Appel is apparently a bust. They could have had Bryant instead. You can't fault the bigshots for wanting to see it themselves.
Quote from: SKO on July 28, 2014, 04:27:25 PM
Shit, is it not possible that they were worried Appel might have some hidden injury causing him to pitch like a turd, and they wanted to check him out? If players can't understand that a guy the club has a lot of money invested in gets a little bit more attention than ones they don't they're fucking stupid.
Baseball players? Stupid? Why I never.
Quote from: Slaky on July 29, 2014, 09:45:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 28, 2014, 04:27:25 PM
Shit, is it not possible that they were worried Appel might have some hidden injury causing him to pitch like a turd, and they wanted to check him out? If players can't understand that a guy the club has a lot of money invested in gets a little bit more attention than ones they don't they're fucking stupid.
Baseball players? Stupid? Why I never.
Exhibit A (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2415948), one of my favorite baseball stories.
DPD for another update on the underrated minor league pitching.
Daury Torrez was again denied his 10th win, but went 6 strong and now sits at 110 IP, 98 H, 35 ER, 17 BB, 64K. 2.85 ERA, 1.04 WHIP for Kane County.
CJ Edwards with another strong showing in AZL, 3.2 scoreless, now at 5.2 healthy innings with AZL and 8 Ks. Dominating the 17-year olds and should be back to AA soon.
Also, for TDubbs, who said to wait until one of the 2014 draftees got to 9 innings before posting about them again:
Tommy Thorpe (8th round pick) with pretty much a perfect start to his MLB career: 9 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 10K.
Plus, he kind of looks like a blonde, lefty Samardzija, so there's that.
(http://imgick.oregonlive.com/home/olive-media/pgmain/img/oregonian/photo/2014/06/-e07316701eb84ea1.JPG)
Quote from: PenFoe on July 29, 2014, 10:10:17 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 29, 2014, 09:45:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 28, 2014, 04:27:25 PM
Shit, is it not possible that they were worried Appel might have some hidden injury causing him to pitch like a turd, and they wanted to check him out? If players can't understand that a guy the club has a lot of money invested in gets a little bit more attention than ones they don't they're fucking stupid.
Baseball players? Stupid? Why I never.
Exhibit A (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2415948), one of my favorite baseball stories.
Published April 20, 2006, 9:19 PM ET.
4/3/2006-4/19/2006 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=menchke01&t=b&year=2006&share=3.08#424-433-sum:batting_gamelogs): 40 PA, 0 HR, 0 RBI, .282/.300/.359/.659
4/20/2006-4/30/2006 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=menchke01&t=b&year=2006&share=3.83#434-443-sum:batting_gamelogs): 42 PA, 7 HR, 22 RBI, .400/.405/.975/1.380
Quote from: PenFoe on July 29, 2014, 10:15:35 AM
DPD for another update on the underrated minor league pitching.
Daury Torrez was again denied his 10th win, but went 6 strong and now sits at 110 IP, 98 H, 35 ER, 17 BB, 64K. 2.85 ERA, 1.04 WHIP for Kane County.
CJ Edwards with another strong showing in AZL, 3.2 scoreless, now at 5.2 healthy innings with AZL and 8 Ks. Dominating the 17-year olds and should be back to AA soon.
Also, for TDubbs, who said to wait until one of the 2014 draftees got to 9 innings before posting about them again:
Tommy Thorpe (8th round pick) with pretty much a perfect start to his MLB career: 9 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 10K.
Plus, he kind of looks like a blonde, lefty Samardzija, so there's that.
(http://imgick.oregonlive.com/home/olive-media/pgmain/img/oregonian/photo/2014/06/-e07316701eb84ea1.JPG)
Ryan Williams also now over the arbitrary 9 inning mark:
10 IP, 8 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 12K. 1.80 ERA, 0.90 WHIP
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 29, 2014, 10:22:22 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 29, 2014, 10:10:17 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 29, 2014, 09:45:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 28, 2014, 04:27:25 PM
Shit, is it not possible that they were worried Appel might have some hidden injury causing him to pitch like a turd, and they wanted to check him out? If players can't understand that a guy the club has a lot of money invested in gets a little bit more attention than ones they don't they're fucking stupid.
Baseball players? Stupid? Why I never.
Exhibit A (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2415948), one of my favorite baseball stories.
Published April 20, 2006, 9:19 PM ET.
4/3/2006-4/19/2006 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=menchke01&t=b&year=2006&share=3.08#424-433-sum:batting_gamelogs): 40 PA, 0 HR, 0 RBI, .282/.300/.359/.659
4/20/2006-4/30/2006 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=menchke01&t=b&year=2006&share=3.83#434-443-sum:batting_gamelogs): 42 PA, 7 HR, 22 RBI, .400/.405/.975/1.380
QuoteThe specialist dipped Mench's feet in blue ink and then had him imprint them onto paper. The result: Mench should have been wearing size 12½ instead of 12.
"Man, I'd been wearing 12s since I was 15 years old," Mench said. "That's the last time I had my feet measured -- you know, when I went to the shoe store with my parents.
"I guess feet can grow after that," he said.
Fantastic. Thanks Pen.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 29, 2014, 11:14:07 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 29, 2014, 10:22:22 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 29, 2014, 10:10:17 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 29, 2014, 09:45:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 28, 2014, 04:27:25 PM
Shit, is it not possible that they were worried Appel might have some hidden injury causing him to pitch like a turd, and they wanted to check him out? If players can't understand that a guy the club has a lot of money invested in gets a little bit more attention than ones they don't they're fucking stupid.
Baseball players? Stupid? Why I never.
Exhibit A (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2415948), one of my favorite baseball stories.
Published April 20, 2006, 9:19 PM ET.
4/3/2006-4/19/2006 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=menchke01&t=b&year=2006&share=3.08#424-433-sum:batting_gamelogs): 40 PA, 0 HR, 0 RBI, .282/.300/.359/.659
4/20/2006-4/30/2006 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=menchke01&t=b&year=2006&share=3.83#434-443-sum:batting_gamelogs): 42 PA, 7 HR, 22 RBI, .400/.405/.975/1.380
QuoteThe specialist dipped Mench's feet in blue ink and then had him imprint them onto paper. The result: Mench should have been wearing size 12½ instead of 12.
"Man, I'd been wearing 12s since I was 15 years old," Mench said. "That's the last time I had my feet measured -- you know, when I went to the shoe store with my parents.
"I guess feet can grow after that," he said.
Fantastic. Thanks Pen.
HGH is a helluva drug.
Apropos of nothing, does anyone remember when the Cubs couldn't dare fire Hendry in fear of losing Tim Wilken, the man that brought us Vitters and Jackson and Colvin? Wasn't that Gordo's stance?
Because I remembered that this morning and laughed heartily for a bit.
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2014, 12:44:28 PM
Apropos of nothing, does anyone remember when the Cubs couldn't dare fire Hendry in fear of losing Tim Wilken, the man that brought us Vitters and Jackson and Colvin? Wasn't that Gordo's stance?
Because I remembered that this morning and laughed heartily for a bit.
Fyi, Tim Wilken still works for the cubs.
Quote from: BH on July 29, 2014, 01:02:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2014, 12:44:28 PM
Apropos of nothing, does anyone remember when the Cubs couldn't dare fire Hendry in fear of losing Tim Wilken, the man that brought us Vitters and Jackson and Colvin? Wasn't that Gordo's stance?
Because I remembered that this morning and laughed heartily for a bit.
Fyi, Tim Wilken still works for the cubs.
No mention of Wilken, but Gordo "making the case" for keeping Hendry. (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/6621359-417/the-case-for-keeping-cubs-general-manager-jim-hendry.html#.U9fiY7Ht-Rg)
These idiotic beat writers.
Quote from: BH on July 29, 2014, 01:02:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2014, 12:44:28 PM
Apropos of nothing, does anyone remember when the Cubs couldn't dare fire Hendry in fear of losing Tim Wilken, the man that brought us Vitters and Jackson and Colvin? Wasn't that Gordo's stance?
Because I remembered that this morning and laughed heartily for a bit.
Fyi, Tim Wilken still works for the cubs.
I'm aware, but he's a "special advisor" and not the director of scouting. Big, big difference.
Quote from: BH on July 29, 2014, 01:02:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2014, 12:44:28 PM
Apropos of nothing, does anyone remember when the Cubs couldn't dare fire Hendry in fear of losing Tim Wilken, the man that brought us Vitters and Jackson and Colvin? Wasn't that Gordo's stance?
Because I remembered that this morning and laughed heartily for a bit.
Fyi, Tim Wilken still works for the cubs.
DPD. Wilken has the same job title in the organization as Kerry Wood and Ted Lilly. Something tells me has a little less power now than when he was the guy actually signing and drafting all of the prospects.
Also, regardless of whatever he does (Hint: It's nothing), obviously Gordo was wrong that firing Hendry meant Wilken would go, even if losing Wilken was actually something to be afraid of or not (it wasn't).
Yeah, but they lost Oneri Fleita.
Quote from: CT III on July 29, 2014, 01:20:35 PM
Yeah, but they lost Oneri Fleita.
AND the guy in charge of printing Wittenmeyer's articles and bringing them to the executives. That was the real kicker.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 29, 2014, 01:03:38 PM
Quote from: BH on July 29, 2014, 01:02:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2014, 12:44:28 PM
Apropos of nothing, does anyone remember when the Cubs couldn't dare fire Hendry in fear of losing Tim Wilken, the man that brought us Vitters and Jackson and Colvin? Wasn't that Gordo's stance?
Because I remembered that this morning and laughed heartily for a bit.
Fyi, Tim Wilken still works for the cubs.
No mention of Wilken, but Gordo "making the case" for keeping Hendry. (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/6621359-417/the-case-for-keeping-cubs-general-manager-jim-hendry.html#.U9fiY7Ht-Rg)
These idiotic beat writers.
"you also have to give (Hendry) credit for Starlin Castro, Marlon Byrd, Darwin Barney and Garza."
Quote from: InternetApex on July 29, 2014, 01:27:58 PM
Quote from: CT III on July 29, 2014, 01:20:35 PM
Yeah, but they lost Oneri Fleita.
AND the guy in charge of printing Wittenmeyer's articles and bringing them to the executives. That was the real kicker.
You know what's funny - I had to look twice but I found out his name is actually "Wittenmyer" which somehow makes me dislike him even more.
Quote from: Slaky on July 29, 2014, 01:36:56 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 29, 2014, 01:27:58 PM
Quote from: CT III on July 29, 2014, 01:20:35 PM
Yeah, but they lost Oneri Fleita.
AND the guy in charge of printing Wittenmeyer's articles and bringing them to the executives. That was the real kicker.
You know what's funny - I had to look twice but I found out his name is actually "Wittenmyer" which somehow makes me dislike him even more.
Gordo means "fat" in Spanish, right? Is that how it's spelled?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 29, 2014, 11:14:07 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 29, 2014, 10:22:22 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 29, 2014, 10:10:17 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 29, 2014, 09:45:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 28, 2014, 04:27:25 PM
Shit, is it not possible that they were worried Appel might have some hidden injury causing him to pitch like a turd, and they wanted to check him out? If players can't understand that a guy the club has a lot of money invested in gets a little bit more attention than ones they don't they're fucking stupid.
Baseball players? Stupid? Why I never.
Exhibit A (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2415948), one of my favorite baseball stories.
Published April 20, 2006, 9:19 PM ET.
4/3/2006-4/19/2006 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=menchke01&t=b&year=2006&share=3.08#424-433-sum:batting_gamelogs): 40 PA, 0 HR, 0 RBI, .282/.300/.359/.659
4/20/2006-4/30/2006 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=menchke01&t=b&year=2006&share=3.83#434-443-sum:batting_gamelogs): 42 PA, 7 HR, 22 RBI, .400/.405/.975/1.380
QuoteThe specialist dipped Mench's feet in blue ink and then had him imprint them onto paper. The result: Mench should have been wearing size 12½ instead of 12.
"Man, I'd been wearing 12s since I was 15 years old," Mench said. "That's the last time I had my feet measured -- you know, when I went to the shoe store with my parents.
"I guess feet can grow after that," he said.
Fantastic. Thanks Pen.
That's a story from the Onion. It has to be. Nobody is that stupid.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 29, 2014, 11:14:07 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 29, 2014, 10:22:22 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 29, 2014, 10:10:17 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 29, 2014, 09:45:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 28, 2014, 04:27:25 PM
Shit, is it not possible that they were worried Appel might have some hidden injury causing him to pitch like a turd, and they wanted to check him out? If players can't understand that a guy the club has a lot of money invested in gets a little bit more attention than ones they don't they're fucking stupid.
Baseball players? Stupid? Why I never.
Exhibit A (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2415948), one of my favorite baseball stories.
Published April 20, 2006, 9:19 PM ET.
4/3/2006-4/19/2006 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=menchke01&t=b&year=2006&share=3.08#424-433-sum:batting_gamelogs): 40 PA, 0 HR, 0 RBI, .282/.300/.359/.659
4/20/2006-4/30/2006 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=menchke01&t=b&year=2006&share=3.83#434-443-sum:batting_gamelogs): 42 PA, 7 HR, 22 RBI, .400/.405/.975/1.380
QuoteThe specialist dipped Mench's feet in blue ink and then had him imprint them onto paper. The result: Mench should have been wearing size 12½ instead of 12.
"Man, I'd been wearing 12s since I was 15 years old," Mench said. "That's the last time I had my feet measured -- you know, when I went to the shoe store with my parents.
"I guess feet can grow after that," he said.
Fantastic. Thanks Pen.
That guy's head was bigger than Barroid at the height of his BALCO days, and nobody ever wondered why he never tipped over?
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 18, 2014, 03:36:27 PM
Arodys Vizcaino and Armando Rivero also promoted to AAA.
Rivero's stuff is fucking vile. His slider will chug the blood of nonbelievers.
Quote from: Fork on July 29, 2014, 05:24:00 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 18, 2014, 03:36:27 PM
Arodys Vizcaino and Armando Rivero also promoted to AAA.
Rivero's stuff is fucking vile. His slider will chug the blood of nonbelievers.
I hope both these guys are in Chicago next year.
I'm going to the Zephyrs/I-Cubs game Friday night in Nola. I will have my phone fully charged and try to take some videos of AB's and definitely lots of creepy pics. My seats are right behind the Cubs' dugout, too, so hopefully there will be some nice shots of young men that hit baseballs really far.
I'll try to post the videos to fb or YouTube, if that's even legal.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 30, 2014, 08:04:57 AM
I'm going to the Zephyrs/I-Cubs game Friday night in Nola. I will have my phone fully charged and try to take some videos of AB's and definitely lots of creepy pics. My seats are right behind the Cubs' dugout, too, so hopefully there will be some nice shots of young men that hit baseballs really far.
I'll try to post the videos to fb or YouTube, if that's even legal.
which of you lawyer types can handle the restraining order Bryant will take out on him?
Quote from: PenFoe on July 29, 2014, 05:30:45 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 29, 2014, 05:24:00 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on June 18, 2014, 03:36:27 PM
Arodys Vizcaino and Armando Rivero also promoted to AAA.
Rivero's stuff is fucking vile. His slider will chug the blood of nonbelievers.
I hope both these guys are in Chicago next year.
Internet love on Rivero is spreading.
Quote from: Fork on July 30, 2014, 08:37:23 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 30, 2014, 08:04:57 AM
I'm going to the Zephyrs/I-Cubs game Friday night in Nola. I will have my phone fully charged and try to take some videos of AB's and definitely lots of creepy pics. My seats are right behind the Cubs' dugout, too, so hopefully there will be some nice shots of young men that hit baseballs really far.
I'll try to post the videos to fb or YouTube, if that's even legal.
which of you lawyer types can handle the restraining order Bryant will take out on him?
Hey, I'm going to get Bryant's number and meet him at Monkey Hill on Magazine. You'll swee.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 30, 2014, 08:04:57 AM
I'm going to the Zephyrs/I-Cubs game Friday night in Nola. I will have my phone fully charged and try to take some videos of AB's and definitely lots of creepy pics. My seats are right behind the Cubs' dugout, too, so hopefully there will be some nice shots of young men that hit baseballs really far.
I'll try to post the videos to fb or YouTube, if that's even legal.
I was planning a trip to NOLA for this weekend and that game but a bunch of new shit has come to light and I can't do it. I will live vicariously through your gonzo man-stalking. Most likely I'll be on a bus to Indianapolis when it starts to pop off. Two words: Wind. Pants.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 30, 2014, 09:20:01 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 30, 2014, 08:04:57 AM
I'm going to the Zephyrs/I-Cubs game Friday night in Nola. I will have my phone fully charged and try to take some videos of AB's and definitely lots of creepy pics. My seats are right behind the Cubs' dugout, too, so hopefully there will be some nice shots of young men that hit baseballs really far.
I'll try to post the videos to fb or YouTube, if that's even legal.
I was planning a trip to NOLA for this weekend and that game but a bunch of new shit has come to light and I can't do it. I will live vicariously through your gonzo man-stalking. Most likely I'll be on a bus to Indianapolis when it starts to pop off. Two words: Wind. Pants.
I'm there all weekend, too. Damn, coulda Pex/IAN day drank.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 30, 2014, 09:23:44 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 30, 2014, 09:20:01 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 30, 2014, 08:04:57 AM
I'm going to the Zephyrs/I-Cubs game Friday night in Nola. I will have my phone fully charged and try to take some videos of AB's and definitely lots of creepy pics. My seats are right behind the Cubs' dugout, too, so hopefully there will be some nice shots of young men that hit baseballs really far.
I'll try to post the videos to fb or YouTube, if that's even legal.
I was planning a trip to NOLA for this weekend and that game but a bunch of new shit has come to light and I can't do it. I will live vicariously through your gonzo man-stalking. Most likely I'll be on a bus to Indianapolis when it starts to pop off. Two words: Wind. Pants.
I'm there all weekend, too. Damn, coulda Pex/IAN day drank.
FML
Quote from: InternetApex on July 30, 2014, 09:24:29 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 30, 2014, 09:23:44 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 30, 2014, 09:20:01 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 30, 2014, 08:04:57 AM
I'm going to the Zephyrs/I-Cubs game Friday night in Nola. I will have my phone fully charged and try to take some videos of AB's and definitely lots of creepy pics. My seats are right behind the Cubs' dugout, too, so hopefully there will be some nice shots of young men that hit baseballs really far.
I'll try to post the videos to fb or YouTube, if that's even legal.
I was planning a trip to NOLA for this weekend and that game but a bunch of new shit has come to light and I can't do it. I will live vicariously through your gonzo man-stalking. Most likely I'll be on a bus to Indianapolis when it starts to pop off. Two words: Wind. Pants.
I'm there all weekend, too. Damn, coulda Pex/IAN day drank.
FML
If you ever want to make a trip there in the future, let me know in advance...I'm there a lot nowadays.
Possessor of an arm Jonathan Martinez (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=t456&t=p_pbp&pid=608217) comes over for Darwin Barney, who the Dodgers optioned to Triple-A today.
Quote from: Tony on July 29, 2014, 02:43:30 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 29, 2014, 11:14:07 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 29, 2014, 10:22:22 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 29, 2014, 10:10:17 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 29, 2014, 09:45:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 28, 2014, 04:27:25 PM
Shit, is it not possible that they were worried Appel might have some hidden injury causing him to pitch like a turd, and they wanted to check him out? If players can't understand that a guy the club has a lot of money invested in gets a little bit more attention than ones they don't they're fucking stupid.
Baseball players? Stupid? Why I never.
Exhibit A (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2415948), one of my favorite baseball stories.
Published April 20, 2006, 9:19 PM ET.
4/3/2006-4/19/2006 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=menchke01&t=b&year=2006&share=3.08#424-433-sum:batting_gamelogs): 40 PA, 0 HR, 0 RBI, .282/.300/.359/.659
4/20/2006-4/30/2006 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=menchke01&t=b&year=2006&share=3.83#434-443-sum:batting_gamelogs): 42 PA, 7 HR, 22 RBI, .400/.405/.975/1.380
QuoteThe specialist dipped Mench's feet in blue ink and then had him imprint them onto paper. The result: Mench should have been wearing size 12½ instead of 12.
"Man, I'd been wearing 12s since I was 15 years old," Mench said. "That's the last time I had my feet measured -- you know, when I went to the shoe store with my parents.
"I guess feet can grow after that," he said.
Fantastic. Thanks Pen.
That's a story from the Onion. It has to be. Nobody is that stupid.
Courtesy of Yeti, I submit someone dumber:
https://twitter.com/ValuationNation/status/494541948502683648
Quote from: SKO on July 30, 2014, 03:24:21 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 29, 2014, 02:43:30 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 29, 2014, 11:14:07 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 29, 2014, 10:22:22 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 29, 2014, 10:10:17 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 29, 2014, 09:45:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 28, 2014, 04:27:25 PM
Shit, is it not possible that they were worried Appel might have some hidden injury causing him to pitch like a turd, and they wanted to check him out? If players can't understand that a guy the club has a lot of money invested in gets a little bit more attention than ones they don't they're fucking stupid.
Baseball players? Stupid? Why I never.
Exhibit A (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2415948), one of my favorite baseball stories.
Published April 20, 2006, 9:19 PM ET.
4/3/2006-4/19/2006 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=menchke01&t=b&year=2006&share=3.08#424-433-sum:batting_gamelogs): 40 PA, 0 HR, 0 RBI, .282/.300/.359/.659
4/20/2006-4/30/2006 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=menchke01&t=b&year=2006&share=3.83#434-443-sum:batting_gamelogs): 42 PA, 7 HR, 22 RBI, .400/.405/.975/1.380
QuoteThe specialist dipped Mench's feet in blue ink and then had him imprint them onto paper. The result: Mench should have been wearing size 12½ instead of 12.
"Man, I'd been wearing 12s since I was 15 years old," Mench said. "That's the last time I had my feet measured -- you know, when I went to the shoe store with my parents.
"I guess feet can grow after that," he said.
Fantastic. Thanks Pen.
That's a story from the Onion. It has to be. Nobody is that stupid.
Courtesy of Yeti, I submit someone dumber:
https://twitter.com/ValuationNation/status/494541948502683648
That's the most notifications he's ever had for one tweet (lol)
MiLB does an aggregation of 4 major prospect rankings (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140730&content_id=86876304&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb) to get a total score.
Quote
2. Bryant
5. Russell
6. Baez
33. Alcantara
40. Almora
41. Soler
The Cubs placed six players among the aggregated top 50, most among Major League organizations. Not that this was their aim, but the club's trade for Russell in the Jeff Samardzija deal earlier this month actually gave the edge over the Twins and Pirates, which each have five. The Dodgers, Rockies and Royals -- each with three -- were the only other organizations with more than two. The A's, Angels, Giants, Mariners, Marlins, Rays and Tigers did not place a prospect in the top 50.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 30, 2014, 03:30:46 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 30, 2014, 03:24:21 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 29, 2014, 02:43:30 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 29, 2014, 11:14:07 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 29, 2014, 10:22:22 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 29, 2014, 10:10:17 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 29, 2014, 09:45:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 28, 2014, 04:27:25 PM
Shit, is it not possible that they were worried Appel might have some hidden injury causing him to pitch like a turd, and they wanted to check him out? If players can't understand that a guy the club has a lot of money invested in gets a little bit more attention than ones they don't they're fucking stupid.
Baseball players? Stupid? Why I never.
Exhibit A (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2415948), one of my favorite baseball stories.
Published April 20, 2006, 9:19 PM ET.
4/3/2006-4/19/2006 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=menchke01&t=b&year=2006&share=3.08#424-433-sum:batting_gamelogs): 40 PA, 0 HR, 0 RBI, .282/.300/.359/.659
4/20/2006-4/30/2006 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=menchke01&t=b&year=2006&share=3.83#434-443-sum:batting_gamelogs): 42 PA, 7 HR, 22 RBI, .400/.405/.975/1.380
QuoteThe specialist dipped Mench's feet in blue ink and then had him imprint them onto paper. The result: Mench should have been wearing size 12½ instead of 12.
"Man, I'd been wearing 12s since I was 15 years old," Mench said. "That's the last time I had my feet measured -- you know, when I went to the shoe store with my parents.
"I guess feet can grow after that," he said.
Fantastic. Thanks Pen.
That's a story from the Onion. It has to be. Nobody is that stupid.
Courtesy of Yeti, I submit someone dumber:
https://twitter.com/ValuationNation/status/494541948502683648
That's the most notifications he's ever had for one tweet (lol)
I want that to be satire, but I know in my heart it probably isn't.
Quote from: Bort on July 31, 2014, 09:11:04 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 30, 2014, 03:30:46 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 30, 2014, 03:24:21 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 29, 2014, 02:43:30 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 29, 2014, 11:14:07 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 29, 2014, 10:22:22 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 29, 2014, 10:10:17 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 29, 2014, 09:45:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 28, 2014, 04:27:25 PM
Shit, is it not possible that they were worried Appel might have some hidden injury causing him to pitch like a turd, and they wanted to check him out? If players can't understand that a guy the club has a lot of money invested in gets a little bit more attention than ones they don't they're fucking stupid.
Baseball players? Stupid? Why I never.
Exhibit A (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2415948), one of my favorite baseball stories.
Published April 20, 2006, 9:19 PM ET.
4/3/2006-4/19/2006 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=menchke01&t=b&year=2006&share=3.08#424-433-sum:batting_gamelogs): 40 PA, 0 HR, 0 RBI, .282/.300/.359/.659
4/20/2006-4/30/2006 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=menchke01&t=b&year=2006&share=3.83#434-443-sum:batting_gamelogs): 42 PA, 7 HR, 22 RBI, .400/.405/.975/1.380
QuoteThe specialist dipped Mench's feet in blue ink and then had him imprint them onto paper. The result: Mench should have been wearing size 12½ instead of 12.
"Man, I'd been wearing 12s since I was 15 years old," Mench said. "That's the last time I had my feet measured -- you know, when I went to the shoe store with my parents.
"I guess feet can grow after that," he said.
Fantastic. Thanks Pen.
That's a story from the Onion. It has to be. Nobody is that stupid.
Courtesy of Yeti, I submit someone dumber:
https://twitter.com/ValuationNation/status/494541948502683648
That's the most notifications he's ever had for one tweet (lol)
I want that to be satire, but I know in my heart it probably isn't.
Just because we have a lot of meatballs doesn't mean we have the market cornered.
Quote from: Fork on July 31, 2014, 09:13:35 AM
Quote from: Bort on July 31, 2014, 09:11:04 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 30, 2014, 03:30:46 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 30, 2014, 03:24:21 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 29, 2014, 02:43:30 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 29, 2014, 11:14:07 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 29, 2014, 10:22:22 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 29, 2014, 10:10:17 AM
Quote from: Slaky on July 29, 2014, 09:45:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 28, 2014, 04:27:25 PM
Shit, is it not possible that they were worried Appel might have some hidden injury causing him to pitch like a turd, and they wanted to check him out? If players can't understand that a guy the club has a lot of money invested in gets a little bit more attention than ones they don't they're fucking stupid.
Baseball players? Stupid? Why I never.
Exhibit A (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2415948), one of my favorite baseball stories.
Published April 20, 2006, 9:19 PM ET.
4/3/2006-4/19/2006 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=menchke01&t=b&year=2006&share=3.08#424-433-sum:batting_gamelogs): 40 PA, 0 HR, 0 RBI, .282/.300/.359/.659
4/20/2006-4/30/2006 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=menchke01&t=b&year=2006&share=3.83#434-443-sum:batting_gamelogs): 42 PA, 7 HR, 22 RBI, .400/.405/.975/1.380
QuoteThe specialist dipped Mench's feet in blue ink and then had him imprint them onto paper. The result: Mench should have been wearing size 12½ instead of 12.
"Man, I'd been wearing 12s since I was 15 years old," Mench said. "That's the last time I had my feet measured -- you know, when I went to the shoe store with my parents.
"I guess feet can grow after that," he said.
Fantastic. Thanks Pen.
That's a story from the Onion. It has to be. Nobody is that stupid.
Courtesy of Yeti, I submit someone dumber:
https://twitter.com/ValuationNation/status/494541948502683648
That's the most notifications he's ever had for one tweet (lol)
I want that to be satire, but I know in my heart it probably isn't.
Just because we have a lot of meatballs doesn't mean we have the market cornered.
"Look, the Cubs will gladly trade arguably the top prospect in baseball for a player they already had and didn't want anymore."
Every morning I read the Cubs Den minors recap and it's insane how many good players the Cubs have. Take away the top 4 guys and it's probably still a better system than it was 3 years ago. I can't even believe it.
Quote from: Slaky on July 31, 2014, 10:18:32 AM
Every morning I read the Cubs Den minors recap and it's insane how many good players the Cubs have. Take away the top 4 guys and it's probably still a better system than it was 3 years ago. I can't even believe it.
Epstink is ... competent? This feels weird.
Here's the catcher they got back for Russell and Bonerface
http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=605170
Victor Caratini. Was supposedly Atlanta's 7th-best prospect, projected to be ML-Ready in 2017.
I have no opinion other than this seems a little light for the pair they gave up. The market wasn't what I thought it would be.
The bloom is off that Andrew Friedman rose
Quote from: Slaky on July 31, 2014, 04:08:11 PM
The bloom is off that Andrew Friedman rose
No prospects ranked in the top 50 and Nick Franklin for David Price.
Fuck you, Chuck.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 31, 2014, 04:09:56 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 31, 2014, 04:08:11 PM
The bloom is off that Andrew Friedman rose
No prospects ranked in the top 50 and Nick Franklin for David Price.
Fuck you, Chuck.
*Makes note in Chuck's datase.*
So the cubs got the 2 top prospects (Russell and Mckinley) traded in July. For Shark and Hammel. That's unreal.
Quote from: BH on August 01, 2014, 08:12:43 AM
So the cubs got the 2 top prospects (Russell and Mckinley) traded in July. For Shark and Hammel. That's unreal.
Best Farm System In Baseball (TM) > Best Fans In Baseball (TM)
I'm getting the shirts made. Who wants one?
It could be no top prospects got dealt at the deadline because everybody either already dealt theirs to the Cubs or the execs got together and yelled at each other like, "Stop trading all your top prospects to the Cubs!!!!"
Know what will be fun? Once Baez/Bryant/Soler come up, and Russell/Almora are right behind them. Because once those guys are in the bigs, the Cubs' farm system will be ranked lower than it currently is, and some dumbass will start losing their shit about the Cubs' pipeline drying up.
Quote from: Fork on August 01, 2014, 09:22:17 AM
Know what will be fun? Once Baez/Bryant/Soler come up, and Russell/Almora are right behind them. Because once those guys are in the bigs, the Cubs' farm system will be ranked lower than it currently is, and some dumbass will start losing their shit about the Cubs' pipeline drying up.
At which point we'll whip out our massive Schwarboner and bash their illiterate skulls in.
Quote from: InternetApex on August 01, 2014, 10:01:18 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 01, 2014, 09:22:17 AM
Know what will be fun? Once Baez/Bryant/Soler come up, and Russell/Almora are right behind them. Because once those guys are in the bigs, the Cubs' farm system will be ranked lower than it currently is, and some dumbass will start losing their shit about the Cubs' pipeline drying up.
At which point we'll whip out our massive Schwarboner and bash their illiterate skulls in.
And hopefully the Cubs will be saddled with a low position in the draft order for a long time to come.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 31, 2014, 04:03:35 PM
Here's the catcher they got back for Russell and Bonerface
http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=605170
Victor Caratini. Was supposedly Atlanta's 7th-best prospect, projected to be ML-Ready in 2017.
I have no opinion other than this seems a little light for the pair they gave up. The market wasn't what I thought it would be.
He's in low-A, which means he'll replace the Cougars' lanky catcher who has Dropkick Murphys as his walk-up music. So we all win.
Quote from: Fork on August 01, 2014, 11:56:59 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 31, 2014, 04:03:35 PM
Here's the catcher they got back for Russell and Bonerface
http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=605170
Victor Caratini. Was supposedly Atlanta's 7th-best prospect, projected to be ML-Ready in 2017.
I have no opinion other than this seems a little light for the pair they gave up. The market wasn't what I thought it would be.
He's in low-A, which means he'll replace the Cougars' lanky catcher who has Dropkick Murphys as his walk-up music. So we all win.
I don't think the pipeline is going to dry up as long as they keep bringing in 16 and 17 year old Dominican prodigies who can grow up under the Theo/Jed way. It won't be best in baseball but it should never fall below top 10. It's too stacked and they won't stop restocking it.
Quote from: BH on August 01, 2014, 08:12:43 AM
So the cubs got the 2 top prospects (Russell and Mckinley) traded in July. For Shark and Hammel. That's unreal.
Per Jim Callis (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/jim-callis-top-10-prospects-dealt-before-deadline?ymd=20140731&content_id=87319174&vkey=news_mlb), they got the #1 and the #5 prospect traded.
Also, Caratini is now listed as the Cubs 13th best prospect. (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2014/#list=chc)
But they have him listed over Jen-Ho and Hendricks, which I find stupid.
IAN posted some fairly pornographic first hand videos (shot vertically natch) of Soler and Bryant's homers last night in Nawlins.
Wowwweeeeeeeee
Quote from: Slaky on August 02, 2014, 10:32:39 AM
IAN posted some fairly pornographic first hand videos (shot vertically natch) of Soler and Bryant's homers last night in Nawlins.
Wowwweeeeeeeee
It is disturbing that the best Cub baseball can be seen only in cities that don't have a major league franchise.
Quote from: CBStew on August 02, 2014, 11:50:48 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 02, 2014, 10:32:39 AM
IAN posted some fairly pornographic first hand videos (shot vertically natch) of Soler and Bryant's homers last night in Nawlins.
Wowwweeeeeeeee
It is disturbing that the best Cub baseball can be seen only in cities that don't have a major league franchise.
Go Cubes.
Just a thought - and not necessarily a good one...
Could it also be that Jepstink are loathe to call up Bryant or Baez because there is a risk that in two months these two can hit the Cubes out of a protected draft slot?
They're currently sitting at 4, and the Mets are sitting at 11, 5.5 games "behind" the Cubs.
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 08:02:31 AM
Just a thought - and not necessarily a good one...
Could it also be that Jepstink are loathe to call up Bryant or Baez because there is a risk that in two months these two can hit the Cubes out of a protected draft slot?
They're currently sitting at 4, and the Mets are sitting at 11, 5.5 games "behind" the Cubs.
These guys probably review every possibility. Dunno who is protected they may go after. Anyone can sign Lester without losing a pick. I think Scherzer costs a pick, but supposedly they aren't as high on him.
Bryant is staying down for two reasons: 1) Scott; and 2) Boras.
Quote from: Slaky on August 02, 2014, 10:32:39 AM
IAN posted some fairly pornographic first hand videos (shot vertically natch) of Soler and Bryant's homers last night in Nawlins.
Wowwweeeeeeeee
I apologize for the videos being shot vertically. I'll do better next time...but I won't get a next time to see these three in Nola probably ever. I will say this, though...there is a CLEAR difference in the talent in the I-Cubs lineup compared to the Zephyrs lineup (Marlins AAA team). Bryant, Soler (the love is growing fast for Jorge, he's one fucking hell of a great athlete and he has a fantastic eye at the plate), Baez and even Olt outclassed everyone in the Z's lineup.
Kris Bryant HR (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DalPi3868JM)
Jorge Soler HR (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQLsUVxv_KQ&list=UU9Da3SY0BInEKWhzDFmnU7w)
Sorry about the hillbilly commentary, too. I was about four beers deep. And I think the lady friend and I sort of talked a little during the videos, too. Sorry, no pics (unless you and I are fb friends!). I think I bit off a few F-bombs as Bryant trotted around the bases.
I was thoroughly impressed by these three guys. The future is immensely bright.
Per Ace Cubbie,
Javy's brother (allegedly) just tweeted (definitely) that Javy is coming up. Now.
Quote from: Slaky on August 04, 2014, 12:32:02 PM
Per Ace Cubbie,
Javy's brother (allegedly) just tweeted (definitely) that Javy is coming up. Now.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/816/9621645013.jpg)
Quote from: PenFoe on August 04, 2014, 12:35:15 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 04, 2014, 12:32:02 PM
Per Ace Cubbie,
Javy's brother (allegedly) just tweeted (definitely) that Javy is coming up. Now.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/816/9621645013.jpg)
AHHHHHHHHHH
Quote from: Slaky on August 04, 2014, 12:35:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 04, 2014, 12:35:15 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 04, 2014, 12:32:02 PM
Per Ace Cubbie,
Javy's brother (allegedly) just tweeted (definitely) that Javy is coming up. Now.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/816/9621645013.jpg)
AHHHHHHHHHH
He's ready, it's time.
I fucking love this front office.
Bruce Levine confirmed it on the score. BONERS
Quote from: PenFoe on August 04, 2014, 12:42:35 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 04, 2014, 12:35:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 04, 2014, 12:35:15 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 04, 2014, 12:32:02 PM
Per Ace Cubbie,
Javy's brother (allegedly) just tweeted (definitely) that Javy is coming up. Now.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/816/9621645013.jpg)
AHHHHHHHHHH
He's ready, it's time.
I fucking love this front office.
RV is definitely a sorcerer.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 04, 2014, 12:57:16 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 04, 2014, 12:42:35 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 04, 2014, 12:35:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 04, 2014, 12:35:15 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 04, 2014, 12:32:02 PM
Per Ace Cubbie,
Javy's brother (allegedly) just tweeted (definitely) that Javy is coming up. Now.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/816/9621645013.jpg)
AHHHHHHHHHH
He's ready, it's time.
I fucking love this front office.
RV is definitely a sorcerer.
Well I did predict that Baez, Bryant & Soler would all be called up together on September 1st so I pretty much nailed it.
Quote from: R-V on August 04, 2014, 01:08:07 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 04, 2014, 12:57:16 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 04, 2014, 12:42:35 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 04, 2014, 12:35:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 04, 2014, 12:35:15 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 04, 2014, 12:32:02 PM
Per Ace Cubbie,
Javy's brother (allegedly) just tweeted (definitely) that Javy is coming up. Now.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/816/9621645013.jpg)
AHHHHHHHHHH
He's ready, it's time.
I fucking love this front office.
RV is definitely a sorcerer.
Well I did predict that Baez, Bryant & Soler would all be called up together on September 1st so I pretty much nailed it.
.333 is pretty damn good in any league.
Quote from: CBStew on August 04, 2014, 01:16:21 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 04, 2014, 01:08:07 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 04, 2014, 12:57:16 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 04, 2014, 12:42:35 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 04, 2014, 12:35:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 04, 2014, 12:35:15 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 04, 2014, 12:32:02 PM
Per Ace Cubbie,
Javy's brother (allegedly) just tweeted (definitely) that Javy is coming up. Now.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/816/9621645013.jpg)
AHHHHHHHHHH
He's ready, it's time.
I fucking love this front office.
RV is definitely a sorcerer.
Well I did predict that Baez, Bryant & Soler would all be called up together on September 1st so I pretty much nailed it.
.333 is pretty damn good in any league.
He's a month early though, so he's at .250 by my count. He did manage to correctly predict that Baez would play major league baseball at some point though. So yes he's a fucking wizard. If Bryant and Soler come up on 9/1 I'll subscribe to his newsletter for life.
Quote from: InternetApex on August 04, 2014, 01:19:00 PM
Quote from: CBStew on August 04, 2014, 01:16:21 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 04, 2014, 01:08:07 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on August 04, 2014, 12:57:16 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 04, 2014, 12:42:35 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 04, 2014, 12:35:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 04, 2014, 12:35:15 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 04, 2014, 12:32:02 PM
Per Ace Cubbie,
Javy's brother (allegedly) just tweeted (definitely) that Javy is coming up. Now.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/816/9621645013.jpg)
AHHHHHHHHHH
He's ready, it's time.
I fucking love this front office.
RV is definitely a sorcerer.
Well I did predict that Baez, Bryant & Soler would all be called up together on September 1st so I pretty much nailed it.
.333 is pretty damn good in any league.
He's a month early though, so he's at .250 by my count. He did manage to correctly predict that Baez would play major league baseball at some point though. So yes he's a fucking wizard. If Bryant and Soler come up on 9/1 I'll subscribe to his newsletter for life.
Here's a teaser for volume 1 issue 1's feature story:
QuoteAll of (or most of - maybe some of) us know that Arkham's razor tells us about how prospects don't pan out because computers can't play baseball (they don't have arms or legs)...but what you may not have known is that there is a prospector who did pan out - for gold!
Quote from: R-V on August 04, 2014, 01:25:28 PM
Here's a teaser for volume 1 issue 1's feature story:
QuoteAll of (or most of - maybe some of) us know that Arkham's razor tells us about how prospects don't pan out because computers can't play baseball (they don't have arms or legs)...but what you may not have known is that there is a prospector who did pan out - for gold!
(http://i.imgur.com/qS9g1CI.jpg)
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on August 04, 2014, 01:35:47 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 04, 2014, 01:25:28 PM
Here's a teaser for volume 1 issue 1's feature story:
QuoteAll of (or most of - maybe some of) us know that Arkham's razor tells us about how prospects don't pan out because computers can't play baseball (they don't have arms or legs)...but what you may not have known is that there is a prospector who did pan out - for gold!
(http://i.imgur.com/qS9g1CI.jpg)
I think, and maybe this is just a guess, RV did that deliberately.
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2014, 01:48:44 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on August 04, 2014, 01:35:47 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 04, 2014, 01:25:28 PM
Here's a teaser for volume 1 issue 1's feature story:
QuoteAll of (or most of - maybe some of) us know that Arkham's razor tells us about how prospects don't pan out because computers can't play baseball (they don't have arms or legs)...but what you may not have known is that there is a prospector who did pan out - for gold!
(http://i.imgur.com/qS9g1CI.jpg)
I think, and maybe this is just a guess, RV did that deliberately.
Really disappointed in you Thrill :(
Quote from: R-V on August 04, 2014, 01:58:52 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2014, 01:48:44 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on August 04, 2014, 01:35:47 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 04, 2014, 01:25:28 PM
Here's a teaser for volume 1 issue 1's feature story:
QuoteAll of (or most of - maybe some of) us know that Arkham's razor tells us about how prospects don't pan out because computers can't play baseball (they don't have arms or legs)...but what you may not have known is that there is a prospector who did pan out - for gold!
(http://i.imgur.com/qS9g1CI.jpg)
I think, and maybe this is just a guess, RV did that deliberately.
Really disappointed in you Thrill :(
Yeah, what the hell are you learning at that pole smoking school, other than pole smoking?
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2014, 01:10:41 PM
Quote from: BH on July 29, 2014, 01:02:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2014, 12:44:28 PM
Apropos of nothing, does anyone remember when the Cubs couldn't dare fire Hendry in fear of losing Tim Wilken, the man that brought us Vitters and Jackson and Colvin? Wasn't that Gordo's stance?
Because I remembered that this morning and laughed heartily for a bit.
Fyi, Tim Wilken still works for the cubs.
DPD. Wilken has the same job title in the organization as Kerry Wood and Ted Lilly. Something tells me has a little less power now than when he was the guy actually signing and drafting all of the prospects.
Also, regardless of whatever he does (Hint: It's nothing), obviously Gordo was wrong that firing Hendry meant Wilken would go, even if losing Wilken was actually something to be afraid of or not (it wasn't).
FYSKO
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/816/1072826394.png)
Quote from: PenFoe on August 04, 2014, 02:30:07 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2014, 01:10:41 PM
Quote from: BH on July 29, 2014, 01:02:19 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 29, 2014, 12:44:28 PM
Apropos of nothing, does anyone remember when the Cubs couldn't dare fire Hendry in fear of losing Tim Wilken, the man that brought us Vitters and Jackson and Colvin? Wasn't that Gordo's stance?
Because I remembered that this morning and laughed heartily for a bit.
Fyi, Tim Wilken still works for the cubs.
DPD. Wilken has the same job title in the organization as Kerry Wood and Ted Lilly. Something tells me has a little less power now than when he was the guy actually signing and drafting all of the prospects.
Also, regardless of whatever he does (Hint: It's nothing), obviously Gordo was wrong that firing Hendry meant Wilken would go, even if losing Wilken was actually something to be afraid of or not (it wasn't).
FYSKO
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/816/1072826394.png)
He also gave us Vitters, Jackson, and Colvin. Thanks, dude.
Quote from: R-V on August 04, 2014, 01:58:52 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2014, 01:48:44 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on August 04, 2014, 01:35:47 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 04, 2014, 01:25:28 PM
Here's a teaser for volume 1 issue 1's feature story:
QuoteAll of (or most of - maybe some of) us know that Arkham's razor tells us about how prospects don't pan out because computers can't play baseball (they don't have arms or legs)...but what you may not have known is that there is a prospector who did pan out - for gold!
(http://i.imgur.com/qS9g1CI.jpg)
I think, and maybe this is just a guess, RV did that deliberately.
Really disappointed in you Thrill :(
Maybe you are ALL disappointed in me!
(http://i.imgur.com/mCx2L3W.jpg)
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on August 04, 2014, 03:15:14 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 04, 2014, 01:58:52 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 04, 2014, 01:48:44 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on August 04, 2014, 01:35:47 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 04, 2014, 01:25:28 PM
Here's a teaser for volume 1 issue 1's feature story:
QuoteAll of (or most of - maybe some of) us know that Arkham's razor tells us about how prospects don't pan out because computers can't play baseball (they don't have arms or legs)...but what you may not have known is that there is a prospector who did pan out - for gold!
(http://i.imgur.com/qS9g1CI.jpg)
I think, and maybe this is just a guess, RV did that deliberately.
Really disappointed in you Thrill :(
Maybe you are ALL disappointed in me!
(http://i.imgur.com/mCx2L3W.jpg)
The FUTUREBONER thread has reached a new low.
Next up: The Soler Watch.
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 03:28:06 PM
Next up: The Soler Watch.
You mean MLB.com's prospect of the month? (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/jorge-soler-tyler-anderson-pipelines-july-standouts?ymd=20140801&content_id=87520822&vkey=news_mlb)
Quote
Pipeline Hitting Prospect of the Month: Jorge Soler, Iowa Cubs
Cubs' No. 6 prospect, 27 G, .378/.473/.811, 1.283, 8 HR, 21 RBI, 15 R
Soler, ranked No. 54 on MLBPipeline.com's Top 100 Prospects list, spent most of the first half of the season on the disabled list due to hamstring injuries, but he put those concerns behind him in July. The outfielder began the month on a rehab assignment in the Arizona League and hit well enough upon returning to Double-A Tennessee to merit a promotion to Triple-A Iowa.
Soler's powerful bat was on display across all three levels. He hit eight home runs, six doubles and a triple, driving in 21 runs.
Perhaps most importantly, Soler has joined Kris Bryant and Javier Baez, the Cubs' top two prospects, in Iowa, where they're just a step away from the big leagues. It is the first time three members of the so-called "Core Four" prospects have played on the same team (outfielder Albert Almora is the last member). Soler typically hits fifth in Iowa's lineup, following Baez and Bryant.
The #54 ranking is laughable.
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 03:28:06 PM
Next up: The Soler Watch.
(http://cdn.watchshop.com/profiler/thumb_cache/zoom/99938159_v_1355962393.jpg)
Here's something else - if SKOwarber pans out, he and Rizzo will be the Cubs' two legit lefthanded power bats together for the first time in...ever?
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 03:34:09 PM
Here's something else - if SKOwarber pans out, he and Rizzo will be the Cubs' two legit lefthanded power bats together for the first time in...ever?
Henry Rodriguez and, uh, Mark Grace? Tyler Houston? Okay, ever is fair.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 04, 2014, 04:17:00 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 03:34:09 PM
Here's something else - if SKOwarber pans out, he and Rizzo will be the Cubs' two legit lefthanded power bats together for the first time in...ever?
Henry Rodriguez and, uh, Mark Grace? Tyler Houston? Okay, ever is fair.
Fred McGriff and Corey Patterson.
Quote from: InternetApex on August 04, 2014, 04:24:34 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 04, 2014, 04:17:00 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 03:34:09 PM
Here's something else - if SKOwarber pans out, he and Rizzo will be the Cubs' two legit lefthanded power bats together for the first time in...ever?
Henry Rodriguez and, uh, Mark Grace? Tyler Houston? Okay, ever is fair.
Fred McGriff and Corey Patterson.
I think the Bellhop had more HRs from the port side in 2002.
And McStiff eats ass.
No bullshit guys, I went back to, like Billy Williams and Johnny Callison to find two LH hitters that combined for at least 60 HRs - and that was only because Williams had over 40.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 04, 2014, 04:17:00 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 03:34:09 PM
Here's something else - if SKOwarber pans out, he and Rizzo will be the Cubs' two legit lefthanded power bats together for the first time in...ever?
Henry Rodriguez and, uh, Mark Grace? Tyler Houston? Okay, ever is fair.
2002 Fred McGriff and Mark Bellhorn.
47 homers from the left side (Bellhorn hit 27 total, 17 as a lefty)
Quote from: InternetApex on August 04, 2014, 04:24:34 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 04, 2014, 04:17:00 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 03:34:09 PM
Here's something else - if SKOwarber pans out, he and Rizzo will be the Cubs' two legit lefthanded power bats together for the first time in...ever?
Henry Rodriguez and, uh, Mark Grace? Tyler Houston? Okay, ever is fair.
Fred McGriff and Corey Patterson.
Ah, 2002. McGriff hit 30 and Patterson managed 14 for that murderer's row Cubs team. They utterly destroyed the league on their way to a fifth-place finish.
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 04, 2014, 04:24:34 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 04, 2014, 04:17:00 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 03:34:09 PM
Here's something else - if SKOwarber pans out, he and Rizzo will be the Cubs' two legit lefthanded power bats together for the first time in...ever?
Henry Rodriguez and, uh, Mark Grace? Tyler Houston? Okay, ever is fair.
Fred McGriff and Corey Patterson.
I think the Bellhop had more HRs from the port side in 2002.
And McStiff eats ass.
No bullshit guys, I went back to, like Billy Williams and Johnny Callison to find two LH hitters that combined for at least 60 HRs - and that was only because Williams had over 40.
I went back to the 30's thinking maybe Riggs Stephenson and Kiki Cuyler would prove you wrong but, though they were both exceptional hitters (.336/.407 and .323/.382 career BA/OBP, respectively) on pennant-winning and pennant-contending teams,
1) Neither were power hitters
2) Neither were left-handed
In fact, the only true left-handed hitting power hitter on the Last Consistently Contending Cubs Teams was Chuck Klein, who only played for them for them for parts of 3 seasons.
That is to say...Fork is correct?
Henry Rodriguez hates you all.
H-Rod and Brant Brown in 1998. We're done here.
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2014, 04:41:31 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 04, 2014, 04:24:34 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 04, 2014, 04:17:00 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 03:34:09 PM
Here's something else - if SKOwarber pans out, he and Rizzo will be the Cubs' two legit lefthanded power bats together for the first time in...ever?
Henry Rodriguez and, uh, Mark Grace? Tyler Houston? Okay, ever is fair.
Fred McGriff and Corey Patterson.
I think the Bellhop had more HRs from the port side in 2002.
And McStiff eats ass.
No bullshit guys, I went back to, like Billy Williams and Johnny Callison to find two LH hitters that combined for at least 60 HRs - and that was only because Williams had over 40.
I went back to the 30's thinking maybe Riggs Stephenson and Kiki Cuyler would prove you wrong but, though they were both exceptional hitters (.336/.407 and .323/.382 career BA/OBP, respectively) on pennant-winning and pennant-contending teams,
1) Neither were power hitters
2) Neither were left-handed
In fact, the only true left-handed hitting power hitter on the Last Consistently Contending Cubs Teams was Chuck Klein, who only played for them for them for parts of 3 seasons.
That is to say...Fork is correct?
Oh, what could have been with Mel Hall and Leon Durham.
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2014, 04:41:31 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 04, 2014, 04:24:34 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 04, 2014, 04:17:00 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 03:34:09 PM
Here's something else - if SKOwarber pans out, he and Rizzo will be the Cubs' two legit lefthanded power bats together for the first time in...ever?
Henry Rodriguez and, uh, Mark Grace? Tyler Houston? Okay, ever is fair.
Fred McGriff and Corey Patterson.
I think the Bellhop had more HRs from the port side in 2002.
And McStiff eats ass.
No bullshit guys, I went back to, like Billy Williams and Johnny Callison to find two LH hitters that combined for at least 60 HRs - and that was only because Williams had over 40.
I went back to the 30's thinking maybe Riggs Stephenson and Kiki Cuyler would prove you wrong but, though they were both exceptional hitters (.336/.407 and .323/.382 career BA/OBP, respectively) on pennant-winning and pennant-contending teams,
1) Neither were power hitters
2) Neither were left-handed
In fact, the only true left-handed hitting power hitter on the Last Consistently Contending Cubs Teams was Chuck Klein, who only played for them for them for parts of 3 seasons.
That is to say...Fork is correct?
Intrepid Reader: Billy Williams (426 HRs)Now, ain't that some shit?
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 04:53:06 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2014, 04:41:31 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 04, 2014, 04:24:34 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 04, 2014, 04:17:00 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 03:34:09 PM
Here's something else - if SKOwarber pans out, he and Rizzo will be the Cubs' two legit lefthanded power bats together for the first time in...ever?
Henry Rodriguez and, uh, Mark Grace? Tyler Houston? Okay, ever is fair.
Fred McGriff and Corey Patterson.
I think the Bellhop had more HRs from the port side in 2002.
And McStiff eats ass.
No bullshit guys, I went back to, like Billy Williams and Johnny Callison to find two LH hitters that combined for at least 60 HRs - and that was only because Williams had over 40.
I went back to the 30's thinking maybe Riggs Stephenson and Kiki Cuyler would prove you wrong but, though they were both exceptional hitters (.336/.407 and .323/.382 career BA/OBP, respectively) on pennant-winning and pennant-contending teams,
1) Neither were power hitters
2) Neither were left-handed
In fact, the only true left-handed hitting power hitter on the Last Consistently Contending Cubs Teams was Chuck Klein, who only played for them for them for parts of 3 seasons.
That is to say...Fork is correct?
Intrepid Reader: Billy Williams (426 HRs)
Now, ain't that some shit?
Sorry, I guess I should have qualified my definition of "contending" to include "at least 1 FUCKING measly trip to the postseason".
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2014, 04:55:02 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 04:53:06 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2014, 04:41:31 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 04, 2014, 04:24:34 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 04, 2014, 04:17:00 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 03:34:09 PM
Here's something else - if SKOwarber pans out, he and Rizzo will be the Cubs' two legit lefthanded power bats together for the first time in...ever?
Henry Rodriguez and, uh, Mark Grace? Tyler Houston? Okay, ever is fair.
Fred McGriff and Corey Patterson.
I think the Bellhop had more HRs from the port side in 2002.
And McStiff eats ass.
No bullshit guys, I went back to, like Billy Williams and Johnny Callison to find two LH hitters that combined for at least 60 HRs - and that was only because Williams had over 40.
I went back to the 30's thinking maybe Riggs Stephenson and Kiki Cuyler would prove you wrong but, though they were both exceptional hitters (.336/.407 and .323/.382 career BA/OBP, respectively) on pennant-winning and pennant-contending teams,
1) Neither were power hitters
2) Neither were left-handed
In fact, the only true left-handed hitting power hitter on the Last Consistently Contending Cubs Teams was Chuck Klein, who only played for them for them for parts of 3 seasons.
That is to say...Fork is correct?
Intrepid Reader: Billy Williams (426 HRs)
Now, ain't that some shit?
Sorry, I guess I should have qualified my definition of "contending" to include "at least 1 FUCKING measly trip to the postseason".
Billy Williams: Not a winner.
Quote from: ChuckD on August 04, 2014, 05:06:12 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2014, 04:55:02 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 04:53:06 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2014, 04:41:31 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 04, 2014, 04:24:34 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 04, 2014, 04:17:00 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 03:34:09 PM
Here's something else - if SKOwarber pans out, he and Rizzo will be the Cubs' two legit lefthanded power bats together for the first time in...ever?
Henry Rodriguez and, uh, Mark Grace? Tyler Houston? Okay, ever is fair.
Fred McGriff and Corey Patterson.
I think the Bellhop had more HRs from the port side in 2002.
And McStiff eats ass.
No bullshit guys, I went back to, like Billy Williams and Johnny Callison to find two LH hitters that combined for at least 60 HRs - and that was only because Williams had over 40.
I went back to the 30's thinking maybe Riggs Stephenson and Kiki Cuyler would prove you wrong but, though they were both exceptional hitters (.336/.407 and .323/.382 career BA/OBP, respectively) on pennant-winning and pennant-contending teams,
1) Neither were power hitters
2) Neither were left-handed
In fact, the only true left-handed hitting power hitter on the Last Consistently Contending Cubs Teams was Chuck Klein, who only played for them for them for parts of 3 seasons.
That is to say...Fork is correct?
Intrepid Reader: Billy Williams (426 HRs)
Now, ain't that some shit?
Sorry, I guess I should have qualified my definition of "contending" to include "at least 1 FUCKING measly trip to the postseason".
Billy Williams: Not a winner.
No balls. No heart.
Quote from: ChuckD on August 04, 2014, 05:06:12 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2014, 04:55:02 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 04:53:06 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2014, 04:41:31 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 04, 2014, 04:24:34 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 04, 2014, 04:17:00 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 03:34:09 PM
Here's something else - if SKOwarber pans out, he and Rizzo will be the Cubs' two legit lefthanded power bats together for the first time in...ever?
Henry Rodriguez and, uh, Mark Grace? Tyler Houston? Okay, ever is fair.
Fred McGriff and Corey Patterson.
I think the Bellhop had more HRs from the port side in 2002.
And McStiff eats ass.
No bullshit guys, I went back to, like Billy Williams and Johnny Callison to find two LH hitters that combined for at least 60 HRs - and that was only because Williams had over 40.
I went back to the 30's thinking maybe Riggs Stephenson and Kiki Cuyler would prove you wrong but, though they were both exceptional hitters (.336/.407 and .323/.382 career BA/OBP, respectively) on pennant-winning and pennant-contending teams,
1) Neither were power hitters
2) Neither were left-handed
In fact, the only true left-handed hitting power hitter on the Last Consistently Contending Cubs Teams was Chuck Klein, who only played for them for them for parts of 3 seasons.
That is to say...Fork is correct?
Intrepid Reader: Billy Williams (426 HRs)
Now, ain't that some shit?
Sorry, I guess I should have qualified my definition of "contending" to include "at least 1 FUCKING measly trip to the postseason".
Billy Williams: Not a winner.
Not what i'm saying--I freakin' love Billy Williams and I actually loathe the Joe Morgan Argument About Chammenships Being a Factor In Rating Individual Players
(TM).
I've just grown so allergic to the Durocher-Era Cubs of the late 60's/early 70's I don't put them on the same level as the McCarthy/Grimm-era Cubs of the late 20's/early 30's (who could be considered chumps in their own right for losing all 4 of their trips to the World Series betwwen '29 and '38 but at least they made the goddamned thing)
Quote from: R-V on August 04, 2014, 05:09:34 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on August 04, 2014, 05:06:12 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2014, 04:55:02 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 04:53:06 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2014, 04:41:31 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 04, 2014, 04:24:34 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 04, 2014, 04:17:00 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 03:34:09 PM
Here's something else - if SKOwarber pans out, he and Rizzo will be the Cubs' two legit lefthanded power bats together for the first time in...ever?
Henry Rodriguez and, uh, Mark Grace? Tyler Houston? Okay, ever is fair.
Fred McGriff and Corey Patterson.
I think the Bellhop had more HRs from the port side in 2002.
And McStiff eats ass.
No bullshit guys, I went back to, like Billy Williams and Johnny Callison to find two LH hitters that combined for at least 60 HRs - and that was only because Williams had over 40.
I went back to the 30's thinking maybe Riggs Stephenson and Kiki Cuyler would prove you wrong but, though they were both exceptional hitters (.336/.407 and .323/.382 career BA/OBP, respectively) on pennant-winning and pennant-contending teams,
1) Neither were power hitters
2) Neither were left-handed
In fact, the only true left-handed hitting power hitter on the Last Consistently Contending Cubs Teams was Chuck Klein, who only played for them for them for parts of 3 seasons.
That is to say...Fork is correct?
Intrepid Reader: Billy Williams (426 HRs)
Now, ain't that some shit?
Sorry, I guess I should have qualified my definition of "contending" to include "at least 1 FUCKING measly trip to the postseason".
Billy Williams: Not a winner.
No balls. No heart.
Figures RV would equate Edwin Jackson to Billy Williams. Dude fucking
loves Edwin Jackson.
RV--stop riding EJax' manhammer so joyously, man. It's embarassing.
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2014, 05:12:57 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on August 04, 2014, 05:06:12 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2014, 04:55:02 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 04:53:06 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2014, 04:41:31 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 04, 2014, 04:24:34 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 04, 2014, 04:17:00 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 03:34:09 PM
Here's something else - if SKOwarber pans out, he and Rizzo will be the Cubs' two legit lefthanded power bats together for the first time in...ever?
Henry Rodriguez and, uh, Mark Grace? Tyler Houston? Okay, ever is fair.
Fred McGriff and Corey Patterson.
I think the Bellhop had more HRs from the port side in 2002.
And McStiff eats ass.
No bullshit guys, I went back to, like Billy Williams and Johnny Callison to find two LH hitters that combined for at least 60 HRs - and that was only because Williams had over 40.
I went back to the 30's thinking maybe Riggs Stephenson and Kiki Cuyler would prove you wrong but, though they were both exceptional hitters (.336/.407 and .323/.382 career BA/OBP, respectively) on pennant-winning and pennant-contending teams,
1) Neither were power hitters
2) Neither were left-handed
In fact, the only true left-handed hitting power hitter on the Last Consistently Contending Cubs Teams was Chuck Klein, who only played for them for them for parts of 3 seasons.
That is to say...Fork is correct?
Intrepid Reader: Billy Williams (426 HRs)
Now, ain't that some shit?
Sorry, I guess I should have qualified my definition of "contending" to include "at least 1 FUCKING measly trip to the postseason".
Billy Williams: Not a winner.
Not what i'm saying--I freakin' love Billy Williams and I actually loathe the Joe Morgan Argument About Chammenships Being a Factor In Rating Individual Players(TM).
I've just grown so allergic to the Durocher-Era Cubs of the late 60's/early 70's I don't put them on the same level as the McCarthy/Grimm-era Cubs of the late 20's/early 30's (who could be considered chumps in their own right for losing all 4 of their trips to the World Series betwwen '29 and '38 but at least they made the goddamned thing)
Says you! I also remember watching the McCarthy/Grimm-era Cubs at the local Juice Joints. Those lads were the real McCoy! Aside from those 5 trips to the Series, they could never seem to hit on all sixes! Bad eggs and rag-a-muffins, the lot of 'em!
Quote from: ChuckD on August 04, 2014, 05:41:02 PM
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Quote from: ChuckD on August 04, 2014, 05:06:12 PM
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Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 04:53:06 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2014, 04:41:31 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 04, 2014, 04:24:34 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 04, 2014, 04:17:00 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 03:34:09 PM
Here's something else - if SKOwarber pans out, he and Rizzo will be the Cubs' two legit lefthanded power bats together for the first time in...ever?
Henry Rodriguez and, uh, Mark Grace? Tyler Houston? Okay, ever is fair.
Fred McGriff and Corey Patterson.
I think the Bellhop had more HRs from the port side in 2002.
And McStiff eats ass.
No bullshit guys, I went back to, like Billy Williams and Johnny Callison to find two LH hitters that combined for at least 60 HRs - and that was only because Williams had over 40.
I went back to the 30's thinking maybe Riggs Stephenson and Kiki Cuyler would prove you wrong but, though they were both exceptional hitters (.336/.407 and .323/.382 career BA/OBP, respectively) on pennant-winning and pennant-contending teams,
1) Neither were power hitters
2) Neither were left-handed
In fact, the only true left-handed hitting power hitter on the Last Consistently Contending Cubs Teams was Chuck Klein, who only played for them for them for parts of 3 seasons.
That is to say...Fork is correct?
Intrepid Reader: Billy Williams (426 HRs)
Now, ain't that some shit?
Sorry, I guess I should have qualified my definition of "contending" to include "at least 1 FUCKING measly trip to the postseason".
Billy Williams: Not a winner.
Not what i'm saying--I freakin' love Billy Williams and I actually loathe the Joe Morgan Argument About Chammenships Being a Factor In Rating Individual Players(TM).
I've just grown so allergic to the Durocher-Era Cubs of the late 60's/early 70's I don't put them on the same level as the McCarthy/Grimm-era Cubs of the late 20's/early 30's (who could be considered chumps in their own right for losing all 4 of their trips to the World Series betwwen '29 and '38 but at least they made the goddamned thing)
Says you! I also remember watching the McCarthy/Grimm-era Cubs at the local Juice Joints. Those lads were the real McCoy! Aside from those 5 trips to the Series, they could never seem to hit on all sixes! Bad eggs and rag-a-muffins, the lot of 'em!
RT/fav
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2014, 05:14:42 PM
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Quote from: ChuckD on August 04, 2014, 05:06:12 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2014, 04:55:02 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 04:53:06 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2014, 04:41:31 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 04, 2014, 04:24:34 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 04, 2014, 04:17:00 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 03:34:09 PM
Here's something else - if SKOwarber pans out, he and Rizzo will be the Cubs' two legit lefthanded power bats together for the first time in...ever?
Henry Rodriguez and, uh, Mark Grace? Tyler Houston? Okay, ever is fair.
Fred McGriff and Corey Patterson.
I think the Bellhop had more HRs from the port side in 2002.
And McStiff eats ass.
No bullshit guys, I went back to, like Billy Williams and Johnny Callison to find two LH hitters that combined for at least 60 HRs - and that was only because Williams had over 40.
I went back to the 30's thinking maybe Riggs Stephenson and Kiki Cuyler would prove you wrong but, though they were both exceptional hitters (.336/.407 and .323/.382 career BA/OBP, respectively) on pennant-winning and pennant-contending teams,
1) Neither were power hitters
2) Neither were left-handed
In fact, the only true left-handed hitting power hitter on the Last Consistently Contending Cubs Teams was Chuck Klein, who only played for them for them for parts of 3 seasons.
That is to say...Fork is correct?
Intrepid Reader: Billy Williams (426 HRs)
Now, ain't that some shit?
Sorry, I guess I should have qualified my definition of "contending" to include "at least 1 FUCKING measly trip to the postseason".
Billy Williams: Not a winner.
No balls. No heart.
Figures RV would equate Edwin Jackson to Billy Williams. Dude fucking loves Edwin Jackson.
RV--stop riding EJax' manhammer so joyously, man. It's embarassing.
Huey is not a meatball and is very comfortable with the mental image of me riding Edwin Jackson's meathammer.
Quote from: R-V on August 05, 2014, 09:23:27 AM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2014, 05:14:42 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 04, 2014, 05:09:34 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on August 04, 2014, 05:06:12 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2014, 04:55:02 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 04:53:06 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 04, 2014, 04:41:31 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 04, 2014, 04:24:34 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 04, 2014, 04:17:00 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 04, 2014, 03:34:09 PM
Here's something else - if SKOwarber pans out, he and Rizzo will be the Cubs' two legit lefthanded power bats together for the first time in...ever?
Henry Rodriguez and, uh, Mark Grace? Tyler Houston? Okay, ever is fair.
Fred McGriff and Corey Patterson.
I think the Bellhop had more HRs from the port side in 2002.
And McStiff eats ass.
No bullshit guys, I went back to, like Billy Williams and Johnny Callison to find two LH hitters that combined for at least 60 HRs - and that was only because Williams had over 40.
I went back to the 30's thinking maybe Riggs Stephenson and Kiki Cuyler would prove you wrong but, though they were both exceptional hitters (.336/.407 and .323/.382 career BA/OBP, respectively) on pennant-winning and pennant-contending teams,
1) Neither were power hitters
2) Neither were left-handed
In fact, the only true left-handed hitting power hitter on the Last Consistently Contending Cubs Teams was Chuck Klein, who only played for them for them for parts of 3 seasons.
That is to say...Fork is correct?
Intrepid Reader: Billy Williams (426 HRs)
Now, ain't that some shit?
Sorry, I guess I should have qualified my definition of "contending" to include "at least 1 FUCKING measly trip to the postseason".
Billy Williams: Not a winner.
No balls. No heart.
Figures RV would equate Edwin Jackson to Billy Williams. Dude fucking loves Edwin Jackson.
RV--stop riding EJax' manhammer so joyously, man. It's embarassing.
Huey is not a meatball and is very comfortable with the mental image of me riding Edwin Jackson's meathammer.
It beats the mental image of you riding
my proverbial ballsack, considering nearly 1-in-3 of your posts here are geared toward trolling/stick-poking me.
So everyone else just took from that exchange that the two things Huey spends the most time thinking about are RV riding himself or RV riding Edwin Jackson, right?
Quote from: SKO on August 05, 2014, 10:10:33 AM
So everyone else just took from that exchange that the two things Huey spends the most time thinking about are RV riding himself or RV riding Edwin Jackson, right?
Wouldn't we just call that masturbation?
Quote from: PANK! on August 05, 2014, 10:12:09 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 05, 2014, 10:10:33 AM
So everyone else just took from that exchange that the two things Huey spends the most time thinking about are RV riding himself or RV riding Edwin Jackson, right?
Wouldn't we just call that masturbation?
I'm too busy entertaining myself with the image of you printing out my posts and sorting them into Huey and non-Huey piles to worry about something as trivial as a Jed Hoyer-style spank session.
Quote from: R-V on August 05, 2014, 10:38:53 AM
Quote from: PANK! on August 05, 2014, 10:12:09 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 05, 2014, 10:10:33 AM
So everyone else just took from that exchange that the two things Huey spends the most time thinking about are RV riding himself or RV riding Edwin Jackson, right?
Wouldn't we just call that masturbation?
I'm too busy entertaining myself with the image of you printing out my posts and sorting them into Huey and non-Huey piles to worry about something as trivial as a Jed Hoyer-style spank session.
Oooh wicked burn.
Quote from: PANK! on August 05, 2014, 10:12:09 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 05, 2014, 10:10:33 AM
So everyone else just took from that exchange that the two things Huey spends the most time thinking about are RV riding himself or RV riding Edwin Jackson, right?
Wouldn't we just call that masturbation?
Honestly, no. It's not really anatomically possible to ride one's self. Believe me, I've tried. What one must do is clone one's self or create a very lifelike model for the purpose of finding out what it would be like to actually go and fuck one's self. I'm workshopping all this and I'll vlog about it later on another forum.
Quote from: InternetApex on August 05, 2014, 10:39:41 AM
Quote from: PANK! on August 05, 2014, 10:12:09 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 05, 2014, 10:10:33 AM
So everyone else just took from that exchange that the two things Huey spends the most time thinking about are RV riding himself or RV riding Edwin Jackson, right?
Wouldn't we just call that masturbation?
Honestly, no. It's not really anatomically possible to ride one's self. Believe me, I've tried. What one must do is clone one's self or create a very lifelike model for the purpose of finding out what it would be like to actually go and fuck one's self. I'm workshopping all this and I'll vlog about it later on another forum.
Maybe the source if Huey's rage is that he's too big for self-riding.
Quote from: Fork on August 05, 2014, 10:48:25 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 05, 2014, 10:39:41 AM
Quote from: PANK! on August 05, 2014, 10:12:09 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 05, 2014, 10:10:33 AM
So everyone else just took from that exchange that the two things Huey spends the most time thinking about are RV riding himself or RV riding Edwin Jackson, right?
Wouldn't we just call that masturbation?
Honestly, no. It's not really anatomically possible to ride one's self. Believe me, I've tried. What one must do is clone one's self or create a very lifelike model for the purpose of finding out what it would be like to actually go and fuck one's self. I'm workshopping all this and I'll vlog about it later on another forum.
Maybe the source if Huey's rage is that he's too big for self-riding.
The whole "if"?
Quote from: PANK! on August 05, 2014, 10:52:34 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 05, 2014, 10:48:25 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 05, 2014, 10:39:41 AM
Quote from: PANK! on August 05, 2014, 10:12:09 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 05, 2014, 10:10:33 AM
So everyone else just took from that exchange that the two things Huey spends the most time thinking about are RV riding himself or RV riding Edwin Jackson, right?
Wouldn't we just call that masturbation?
Honestly, no. It's not really anatomically possible to ride one's self. Believe me, I've tried. What one must do is clone one's self or create a very lifelike model for the purpose of finding out what it would be like to actually go and fuck one's self. I'm workshopping all this and I'll vlog about it later on another forum.
Maybe the source if Huey's rage is that he's too big for self-riding.
The whole "if"?
adn nohting btu teh if.
Quote from: PANK! on August 05, 2014, 10:08:05 AM
Quote from: R-V on August 05, 2014, 09:23:27 AM
Huey is not a meatball and is very comfortable with the mental image of me riding Edwin Jackson's meathammer.
It beats the mental image of you riding my proverbial ballsack, considering nearly 1-in-3 of your posts here are geared toward trolling/stick-poking me.
Sounds like someone's un-friending finger is getting itchy.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on August 05, 2014, 11:13:00 AM
Quote from: PANK! on August 05, 2014, 10:08:05 AM
Quote from: R-V on August 05, 2014, 09:23:27 AM
Huey is not a meatball and is very comfortable with the mental image of me riding Edwin Jackson's meathammer.
It beats the mental image of you riding my proverbial ballsack, considering nearly 1-in-3 of your posts here are geared toward trolling/stick-poking me.
Sounds like someone's un-friending finger is getting itchy.
Itchy's a jerk.
Quote from: CT III on August 05, 2014, 11:27:49 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on August 05, 2014, 11:13:00 AM
Quote from: PANK! on August 05, 2014, 10:08:05 AM
Quote from: R-V on August 05, 2014, 09:23:27 AM
Huey is not a meatball and is very comfortable with the mental image of me riding Edwin Jackson's meathammer.
It beats the mental image of you riding my proverbial ballsack, considering nearly 1-in-3 of your posts here are geared toward trolling/stick-poking me.
Sounds like someone's un-friending finger is getting itchy.
Itchy's a jerk.
He sure is...
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on August 05, 2014, 11:13:00 AM
Quote from: PANK! on August 05, 2014, 10:08:05 AM
Quote from: R-V on August 05, 2014, 09:23:27 AM
Huey is not a meatball and is very comfortable with the mental image of me riding Edwin Jackson's meathammer.
It beats the mental image of you riding my proverbial ballsack, considering nearly 1-in-3 of your posts here are geared toward trolling/stick-poking me.
Sounds like someone's un-friending finger is getting itchy.
And miss out on such lessons in Chicago geography like this?
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10354133_10203376987097346_5264803756298098484_n.jpg)
Quoteit's been 7 years since we graced the Kedzie Street Bridge with some wedding pics.
I think not.
Quote from: Bort on August 05, 2014, 11:29:45 AM
Quote from: CT III on August 05, 2014, 11:27:49 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on August 05, 2014, 11:13:00 AM
Quote from: PANK! on August 05, 2014, 10:08:05 AM
Quote from: R-V on August 05, 2014, 09:23:27 AM
Huey is not a meatball and is very comfortable with the mental image of me riding Edwin Jackson's meathammer.
It beats the mental image of you riding my proverbial ballsack, considering nearly 1-in-3 of your posts here are geared toward trolling/stick-poking me.
Sounds like someone's un-friending finger is getting itchy.
Itchy's a jerk.
He sure is...
Huey only looks out for one guy...
(http://i.imgur.com/X76FHpP.png)
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on August 05, 2014, 11:52:32 AM
Quote from: Bort on August 05, 2014, 11:29:45 AM
Quote from: CT III on August 05, 2014, 11:27:49 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on August 05, 2014, 11:13:00 AM
Quote from: PANK! on August 05, 2014, 10:08:05 AM
Quote from: R-V on August 05, 2014, 09:23:27 AM
Huey is not a meatball and is very comfortable with the mental image of me riding Edwin Jackson's meathammer.
It beats the mental image of you riding my proverbial ballsack, considering nearly 1-in-3 of your posts here are geared toward trolling/stick-poking me.
Sounds like someone's un-friending finger is getting itchy.
Itchy's a jerk.
He sure is...
Huey only looks out for one guy...
(http://i.imgur.com/X76FHpP.png)
I snorted.
Who's to say that wasn't an intentional bit of trolling to make your proverbial geography sack itch, Huey? I guess you'll never know.
Anyway, back to the subject at hand...is it safe to assume Rivero and Vizcaino will get called up in September?
Quote from: R-V on August 05, 2014, 11:58:45 AM
Who's to say that wasn't an intentional bit of trolling to make your proverbial geography sack itch, Huey? I guess you'll never know.
Phil Ponce is hurt by your assertion that people wouldn't seriously consider taking their wedding pictures near the WTTW studios in Albany Park.
Well, Phil and all of Thrill's toenail-clipping Korean friends.
Quote from: R-V on August 05, 2014, 11:58:45 AM
Anyway, back to the subject at hand...is it safe to assume Rivero and Vizcaino will get called up in September?
I'm very eager to see both of these guys pitch...are they both on the 40-man?
Quote from: PANK! on August 05, 2014, 12:04:15 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 05, 2014, 11:58:45 AM
Who's to say that wasn't an intentional bit of trolling to make your proverbial geography sack itch, Huey? I guess you'll never know.
Phil Ponce is hurt by your assertion that people wouldn't seriously consider taking their wedding pictures near the WTTW studios in Albany Park.
Well, Phil and all of Thrill's toenail-clipping Korean friends.
Quote from: R-V on August 05, 2014, 11:58:45 AM
Anyway, back to the subject at hand...is it safe to assume Rivero and Vizcaino will get called up in September?
I'm very eager to see both of these guys pitch...are they both on the 40-man?
Vizcaino appears to be, according to cubs.com, but they don't have Baez on there, yet, so who knows how accurate it is. Also, TCR has Vizcaino on there, too.
Quote from: InternetApex on August 05, 2014, 10:39:41 AM
Quote from: PANK! on August 05, 2014, 10:12:09 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 05, 2014, 10:10:33 AM
So everyone else just took from that exchange that the two things Huey spends the most time thinking about are RV riding himself or RV riding Edwin Jackson, right?
Wouldn't we just call that masturbation?
Honestly, no. It's not really anatomically possible to ride one's self. Believe me, I've tried. What one must do is clone one's self or create a very lifelike model for the purpose of finding out what it would be like to actually go and fuck one's self. I'm workshopping all this and I'll vlog about it later on another forum.
How come it's gay if you're a guy and you like giving handjobs. But it's not gay if you only like giving them to yourself? Would it be gay if you gave a handjob to a clone of yourself?
Quote from: ChuckD on August 05, 2014, 01:04:58 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 05, 2014, 10:39:41 AM
Quote from: PANK! on August 05, 2014, 10:12:09 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 05, 2014, 10:10:33 AM
So everyone else just took from that exchange that the two things Huey spends the most time thinking about are RV riding himself or RV riding Edwin Jackson, right?
Wouldn't we just call that masturbation?
Honestly, no. It's not really anatomically possible to ride one's self. Believe me, I've tried. What one must do is clone one's self or create a very lifelike model for the purpose of finding out what it would be like to actually go and fuck one's self. I'm workshopping all this and I'll vlog about it later on another forum.
How come it's gay if you're a guy and you like giving handjobs. But it's not gay if you only like giving them to yourself? Would it be gay if you gave a handjob to a clone of yourself?
All good questions.
FelizJavidad!
Quote from: ChuckD on August 05, 2014, 01:04:58 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 05, 2014, 10:39:41 AM
Quote from: PANK! on August 05, 2014, 10:12:09 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 05, 2014, 10:10:33 AM
So everyone else just took from that exchange that the two things Huey spends the most time thinking about are RV riding himself or RV riding Edwin Jackson, right?
Wouldn't we just call that masturbation?
Honestly, no. It's not really anatomically possible to ride one's self. Believe me, I've tried. What one must do is clone one's self or create a very lifelike model for the purpose of finding out what it would be like to actually go and fuck one's self. I'm workshopping all this and I'll vlog about it later on another forum.
How come it's gay if you're a guy and you like giving handjobs. But it's not gay if you only like giving them to yourself? Would it be gay if you gave a handjob to a clone of yourself?
Nothing's gay until you swallow
Tonight's line-up:
1. Alcantara cf
2. Baez 2b
3. Rizzo 1b
4. Castro ss
Sploosh.
The Cubs might be getting Jacob Turner, as they won their claim. Reportedly he was placed on revocable waivers so they might have to give something up to make sure they get him.
Quote from: PANK! on August 05, 2014, 12:04:15 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 05, 2014, 11:58:45 AM
Who's to say that wasn't an intentional bit of trolling to make your proverbial geography sack itch, Huey? I guess you'll never know.
Phil Ponce is hurt by your assertion that people wouldn't seriously consider taking their wedding pictures near the WTTW studios in Albany Park.
Well, Phil and all of Thrill's toenail-clipping Korean friends.
Quote from: R-V on August 05, 2014, 11:58:45 AM
It is kind of disturbing to learn that one's boyhood neighborhood has become a punchline.
Quote from: CBStew on August 06, 2014, 03:27:50 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 05, 2014, 12:04:15 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 05, 2014, 11:58:45 AM
Who's to say that wasn't an intentional bit of trolling to make your proverbial geography sack itch, Huey? I guess you'll never know.
Phil Ponce is hurt by your assertion that people wouldn't seriously consider taking their wedding pictures near the WTTW studios in Albany Park.
Well, Phil and all of Thrill's toenail-clipping Korean friends.
It is kind of disturbing to learn that one's boyhood neighborhood has become a punchline.
Fixed.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 06, 2014, 02:55:00 PM
The Cubs might be getting Jacob Turner, as they won their claim. Reportedly he was placed on revocable waivers so they might have to give something up to make sure they get him.
Shawon Dunston got pulled from last night's Kane County game after one AB, leading to speculation that he was either going to Miami or Daytona.
Turns out he was just yakking in a garbage can.
Quote from: Bort on August 05, 2014, 11:29:45 AM
Quote from: CT III on August 05, 2014, 11:27:49 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on August 05, 2014, 11:13:00 AM
Quote from: PANK! on August 05, 2014, 10:08:05 AM
Quote from: R-V on August 05, 2014, 09:23:27 AM
Huey is not a meatball and is very comfortable with the mental image of me riding Edwin Jackson's meathammer.
It beats the mental image of you riding my proverbial ballsack, considering nearly 1-in-3 of your posts here are geared toward trolling/stick-poking me.
Sounds like someone's un-friending finger is getting itchy.
Itchy's a jerk.
He sure is...
I see that you are Scratchy fans.
Bryant SKOwarber & Zagunis with dongs last night.
Underwood with another good outing - as much as we get giddy about the bats in the system, there are some pretty lively arms too.
Quote from: Fork on August 08, 2014, 09:10:39 AM
Bryant SKOwarber & Zagunis with dongs last night.
Underwood with another good outing - as much as we get giddy about the bats in the system, there are some pretty lively arms too.
Zagunis is a very minor prospect but the guy has really interesting skills. Not much defensively at catcher as of now but he gets on base like crazy. One to keep an eye on peripherally.
Quote from: Slaky on August 08, 2014, 10:03:44 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 08, 2014, 09:10:39 AM
Bryant SKOwarber & Zagunis with dongs last night.
Underwood with another good outing - as much as we get giddy about the bats in the system, there are some pretty lively arms too.
Zagunis is a very minor prospect but the guy has really interesting skills. Not much defensively at catcher as of now but he gets on base like crazy. One to keep an eye on peripherally.
Yeah, kind of like Vogelbach. He'll get to the big leagues, just not as a Cub.
Quote from: Fork on August 08, 2014, 01:55:03 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 08, 2014, 10:03:44 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 08, 2014, 09:10:39 AM
Bryant SKOwarber & Zagunis with dongs last night.
Underwood with another good outing - as much as we get giddy about the bats in the system, there are some pretty lively arms too.
Zagunis is a very minor prospect but the guy has really interesting skills. Not much defensively at catcher as of now but he gets on base like crazy. One to keep an eye on peripherally.
Yeah, kind of like Vogelbach. He'll get to the big leagues, just not as a Cub.
Huh? Why will he be traded? The Cubs don't have surplus at catcher.
Quote from: BH on August 08, 2014, 01:57:35 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 08, 2014, 01:55:03 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 08, 2014, 10:03:44 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 08, 2014, 09:10:39 AM
Bryant SKOwarber & Zagunis with dongs last night.
Underwood with another good outing - as much as we get giddy about the bats in the system, there are some pretty lively arms too.
Zagunis is a very minor prospect but the guy has really interesting skills. Not much defensively at catcher as of now but he gets on base like crazy. One to keep an eye on peripherally.
Yeah, kind of like Vogelbach. He'll get to the big leagues, just not as a Cub.
Huh? Why will he be traded? The Cubs don't have surplus at catcher.
Vogelbach is a first baseman. Schwarber plays some catcher. You mixed up your fatties.
Quote from: SKO on August 08, 2014, 02:02:44 PM
Quote from: BH on August 08, 2014, 01:57:35 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 08, 2014, 01:55:03 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 08, 2014, 10:03:44 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 08, 2014, 09:10:39 AM
Bryant SKOwarber & Zagunis with dongs last night.
Underwood with another good outing - as much as we get giddy about the bats in the system, there are some pretty lively arms too.
Zagunis is a very minor prospect but the guy has really interesting skills. Not much defensively at catcher as of now but he gets on base like crazy. One to keep an eye on peripherally.
Yeah, kind of like Vogelbach. He'll get to the big leagues, just not as a Cub.
Huh? Why will he be traded? The Cubs don't have surplus at catcher.
Vogelbach is a first baseman. Schwarber plays some catcher. You mixed up your fatties.
I read Fork's post as Zagunis being traded to another team.
Quote from: BH on August 08, 2014, 02:05:09 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 08, 2014, 02:02:44 PM
Quote from: BH on August 08, 2014, 01:57:35 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 08, 2014, 01:55:03 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 08, 2014, 10:03:44 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 08, 2014, 09:10:39 AM
Bryant SKOwarber & Zagunis with dongs last night.
Underwood with another good outing - as much as we get giddy about the bats in the system, there are some pretty lively arms too.
Zagunis is a very minor prospect but the guy has really interesting skills. Not much defensively at catcher as of now but he gets on base like crazy. One to keep an eye on peripherally.
Yeah, kind of like Vogelbach. He'll get to the big leagues, just not as a Cub.
Huh? Why will he be traded? The Cubs don't have surplus at catcher.
Vogelbach is a first baseman. Schwarber plays some catcher. You mixed up your fatties.
I read Fork's post as Zagunis being traded to another team.
Ohhhhh. Carry on then.
Quote from: BH on August 08, 2014, 01:57:35 PM
Quote from: Fork on August 08, 2014, 01:55:03 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 08, 2014, 10:03:44 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 08, 2014, 09:10:39 AM
Bryant SKOwarber & Zagunis with dongs last night.
Underwood with another good outing - as much as we get giddy about the bats in the system, there are some pretty lively arms too.
Zagunis is a very minor prospect but the guy has really interesting skills. Not much defensively at catcher as of now but he gets on base like crazy. One to keep an eye on peripherally.
Yeah, kind of like Vogelbach. He'll get to the big leagues, just not as a Cub.
Huh? Why will he be traded? The Cubs don't have surplus at catcher.
Zagunis is not a very good catcher. But he can hit.
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/chicago-cubs-rebuilding-theo-epstein-javier-baez-kris-bryant-jake-arrieta/
I don't know if he qualifies as a prospect at 27 years old, but on the one hand we have this:
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/831/1407722613.jpg)
But then, this:
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/831/3600952384.jpg)
So now, once again, we know nothing.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 19, 2014, 05:23:50 PM
I don't know if he qualifies as a prospect at 27 years old, but on the one hand we have this:
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/831/1407722613.jpg)
But then, this:
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/831/3600952384.jpg)
So now, once again, we know nothing.
The only question is: Will his locker in the Cubs clubhouse be next to Tanaka?
Rusney's gonna be a rich Red Sock.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2014/08/reports_cuban_free_agent_rusney_castillo_will_sign.html
Bryant and Soler had 12 combined PAs last night. They reached base in each and every one of them.
Iowa Cubs
Player Pos AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG
Junior Lake LF 5 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 .276
Ryan Kalish CF 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .236
Kris Bryant 3B 2 3 2 0 0 1 1 4 0 .311
Jorge Soler RF 5 3 5 1 1 0 2 1 0 .262
Rafael Lopez C 4 1 2 0 0 0 1 2 0 .278
Jonathan Mota 1B 5 1 3 1 0 0 3 0 0 .243
Andrew Ely 2B 5 1 2 0 0 1 3 0 0 .300
Elliot Soto SS 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 .208
Chris Rusin P 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 .323
Brian Schlitter P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Armando Rivero P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .500
Totals 41 10 15 2 1 2 10 9 3 .251
BATTING
2B: Mota (5, Todd), Soler (11, Paredes).
3B: Soler (1, Schultz).
HR: Ely (1, 5th inning off Todd, 1 on, 1 out), Bryant (20, 6th inning off Paredes, 0 on, 2 out).
TB: Lopez, R 2; Bryant 5; Lake; Soler 8; Ely 5; Mota 4.
RBI: Soler 2 (24), Mota 3 (12), Ely 3 (4), Bryant (48), Lopez, R (27).
2-out RBI: Bryant; Mota; Ely.
Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Mota 3; Kalish; Soto; Rusin; Lopez, R.
Team RISP: 7-for-16.
Team LOB: 13.
BASERUNNING
CS: Lake (1, 2nd base by Harrell/Wilson, Bo).
FIELDING
DP: 3 (Soto-Ely-Mota 2, Mota-Soto-Mota).
Quote from: ChuckD on August 24, 2014, 08:30:03 AM
Bryant and Soler had 12 combined PAs last night. They reached base in each and every one of them.
Iowa Cubs
Player Pos AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG
Junior Lake LF 5 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 .276
Ryan Kalish CF 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .236
Kris Bryant 3B 2 3 2 0 0 1 1 4 0 .311
Jorge Soler RF 5 3 5 1 1 0 2 1 0 .262
Rafael Lopez C 4 1 2 0 0 0 1 2 0 .278
Jonathan Mota 1B 5 1 3 1 0 0 3 0 0 .243
Andrew Ely 2B 5 1 2 0 0 1 3 0 0 .300
Elliot Soto SS 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 .208
Chris Rusin P 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 .323
Brian Schlitter P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Armando Rivero P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .500
Totals 41 10 15 2 1 2 10 9 3 .251
BATTING
2B: Mota (5, Todd), Soler (11, Paredes).
3B: Soler (1, Schultz).
HR: Ely (1, 5th inning off Todd, 1 on, 1 out), Bryant (20, 6th inning off Paredes, 0 on, 2 out).
TB: Lopez, R 2; Bryant 5; Lake; Soler 8; Ely 5; Mota 4.
RBI: Soler 2 (24), Mota 3 (12), Ely 3 (4), Bryant (48), Lopez, R (27).
2-out RBI: Bryant; Mota; Ely.
Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Mota 3; Kalish; Soto; Rusin; Lopez, R.
Team RISP: 7-for-16.
Team LOB: 13.
BASERUNNING
CS: Lake (1, 2nd base by Harrell/Wilson, Bo).
FIELDING
DP: 3 (Soto-Ely-Mota 2, Mota-Soto-Mota).
In Diamondbacks' ex-Cub fetish news, Ronny Cedeno had a run-scoring triple (that's bad), but Brett Jackson struck out looking to end the game (HAHA).
Quote from: ChuckD on August 24, 2014, 08:30:03 AM
Bryant and Soler had 12 combined PAs last night. They reached base in each and every one of them.
Iowa Cubs
Player Pos AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG
Junior Lake LF 5 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 .276
Ryan Kalish CF 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .236
Kris Bryant 3B 2 3 2 0 0 1 1 4 0 .311
Jorge Soler RF 5 3 5 1 1 0 2 1 0 .262
Rafael Lopez C 4 1 2 0 0 0 1 2 0 .278
Jonathan Mota 1B 5 1 3 1 0 0 3 0 0 .243
Andrew Ely 2B 5 1 2 0 0 1 3 0 0 .300
Elliot Soto SS 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 .208
Chris Rusin P 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 .323
Brian Schlitter P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Armando Rivero P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .500
Totals 41 10 15 2 1 2 10 9 3 .251
BATTING
2B: Mota (5, Todd), Soler (11, Paredes).
3B: Soler (1, Schultz).
HR: Ely (1, 5th inning off Todd, 1 on, 1 out), Bryant (20, 6th inning off Paredes, 0 on, 2 out).
TB: Lopez, R 2; Bryant 5; Lake; Soler 8; Ely 5; Mota 4.
RBI: Soler 2 (24), Mota 3 (12), Ely 3 (4), Bryant (48), Lopez, R (27).
2-out RBI: Bryant; Mota; Ely.
Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Mota 3; Kalish; Soto; Rusin; Lopez, R.
Team RISP: 7-for-16.
Team LOB: 13.
BASERUNNING
CS: Lake (1, 2nd base by Harrell/Wilson, Bo).
FIELDING
DP: 3 (Soto-Ely-Mota 2, Mota-Soto-Mota).
Soler followed this up by reaching base 5 times yesterday also (3-5, 2 BBs.)
Glad to see how he's responding to his first slump.
*collective breath held for Soler*
Quote from: Yeti on August 25, 2014, 10:12:06 PM
*collective breath held for Soler*
I'm gonna be hard all year
Might be DRLP, I don't understand those Common Yeti posts, but Soler is coming up (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24680043/report-cubs-calling-up-prospect-jorge-soler).
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 25, 2014, 10:36:24 PM
Might be DRLP, I don't understand those Common Yeti posts, but Soler is coming up (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24680043/report-cubs-calling-up-prospect-jorge-soler).
Unlinked reactions to Cubes news is my thing
I just bought a subscription to mlb.tv for the rest of the season.
In other great news, 17 year old Gleyber Torres was promoted to Boise
Quote from: Yeti on August 26, 2014, 06:36:46 AM
In other great news, 17 year old Gleyber Torres was promoted to Boise
World's Biggest Gleyber?
Quote from: Tonker on August 26, 2014, 04:24:05 AM
I just bought a subscription to mlb.tv for the rest of the season.
I just bought tickets to Monday's game.
I can't wait until E. Jax comes off the DL and joins the bullpen so he can be inserted in any game in which they have a late lead. No reason to trick off a perfectly good top 10 draft position now.
Quote from: Yeti on August 26, 2014, 06:36:46 AM
In other great news, 17 year old Gleyber Torres was promoted to Boise
This is actually crazy good news.
He was the 11th youngest guy in rookie ball, and now he's been promoted to low-A where he's the youngest guy in the Northwest league by a half a year.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 26, 2014, 10:55:58 AM
Quote from: Yeti on August 26, 2014, 06:36:46 AM
In other great news, 17 year old Gleyber Torres was promoted to Boise
This is actually crazy good news.
He was the 11th youngest guy in rookie ball, and now he's been promoted to low-A where he's the youngest guy in the Northwest league by a half a year.
17 years old, and he's got a 29/33 BB/K ratio. YEs, please.
Quote from: Fork on August 26, 2014, 11:03:04 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 26, 2014, 10:55:58 AM
Quote from: Yeti on August 26, 2014, 06:36:46 AM
In other great news, 17 year old Gleyber Torres was promoted to Boise
This is actually crazy good news.
He was the 11th youngest guy in rookie ball, and now he's been promoted to low-A where he's the youngest guy in the Northwest league by a half a year.
17 years old, and he's got a 29/33 BB/K ratio. YEs, please.
Is 29/33 good?
Quote from: InternetApex on August 26, 2014, 11:16:01 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 26, 2014, 11:03:04 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 26, 2014, 10:55:58 AM
Quote from: Yeti on August 26, 2014, 06:36:46 AM
In other great news, 17 year old Gleyber Torres was promoted to Boise
This is actually crazy good news.
He was the 11th youngest guy in rookie ball, and now he's been promoted to low-A where he's the youngest guy in the Northwest league by a half a year.
17 years old, and he's got a 29/33 BB/K ratio. YEs, please.
Is 29/33 good?
Yes, very.
K% 18%
BB% 13.7%
Pretty great at any age. For 17? Outstanding.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 26, 2014, 11:18:52 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 26, 2014, 11:16:01 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 26, 2014, 11:03:04 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 26, 2014, 10:55:58 AM
Quote from: Yeti on August 26, 2014, 06:36:46 AM
In other great news, 17 year old Gleyber Torres was promoted to Boise
This is actually crazy good news.
He was the 11th youngest guy in rookie ball, and now he's been promoted to low-A where he's the youngest guy in the Northwest league by a half a year.
17 years old, and he's got a 29/33 BB/K ratio. YEs, please.
Is 29/33 good?
Yes, very.
K% 18%
BB% 13.7%
Pretty great at any age. For 17? Outstanding.
Can you explain to my dumb ass how those numbers work? Thanks.
I did a little research on my own and found out to my astonishment that Gleyber Torres is not a pitcher. So those K/BB rates check out.
Great thread. Would definitely read again!
Quote from: InternetApex on August 26, 2014, 11:16:01 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 26, 2014, 11:03:04 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 26, 2014, 10:55:58 AM
Quote from: Yeti on August 26, 2014, 06:36:46 AM
In other great news, 17 year old Gleyber Torres was promoted to Boise
This is actually crazy good news.
He was the 11th youngest guy in rookie ball, and now he's been promoted to low-A where he's the youngest guy in the Northwest league by a half a year.
17 years old, and he's got a 29/33 BB/K ratio. YEs, please.
Is 29/33 good significant?
Are you new here'd?
Quote from: InternetApex on August 26, 2014, 11:35:48 AM
I did a little research on my own and found out to my astonishment that Gleyber Torres is not a pitcher. So those K/BB rates check out.
Great thread. Would definitely read again!
He's been described as a "16 year old Soler". So hopefully now he's a 17 year old one.
Quote from: Fork on August 26, 2014, 12:45:10 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 26, 2014, 11:35:48 AM
I did a little research on my own and found out to my astonishment that Gleyber Torres is not a pitcher. So those K/BB rates check out.
Great thread. Would definitely read again!
He's been described as a "16 year old Soler". So hopefully now he's a 17 year old one.
You got Yeti's attention...
Baseball Prospectus's Jason Parks has accepted (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=24524) a scouting position with the Cubs. Javier Baez has already taken out a restraining order.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 27, 2014, 11:46:35 PM
Baseball Prospectus's Jason Parks has accepted (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=24524) a scouting position with the Cubs. Javier Baez has already taken out a restraining order.
I'm surprised I'm apparently all alone in disliking Parks.
Quote from: Eli on August 28, 2014, 08:29:13 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 27, 2014, 11:46:35 PM
Baseball Prospectus's Jason Parks has accepted (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=24524) a scouting position with the Cubs. Javier Baez has already taken out a restraining order.
I'm surprised I'm apparently all alone in disliking Parks.
I have no opinion but I have to admit his creepy sexy language about young dudes makes me laugh.
Quote from: Eli on August 28, 2014, 08:29:13 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 27, 2014, 11:46:35 PM
Baseball Prospectus's Jason Parks has accepted (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=24524) a scouting position with the Cubs. Javier Baez has already taken out a restraining order.
I'm surprised I'm apparently all alone in disliking Parks.
Give me reasons to hate him other than Javy's night blindness and I'll probably join you. I love hating things. It's what I'm best at.
Quote from: SKO on August 28, 2014, 09:23:28 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 28, 2014, 08:29:13 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 27, 2014, 11:46:35 PM
Baseball Prospectus's Jason Parks has accepted (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=24524) a scouting position with the Cubs. Javier Baez has already taken out a restraining order.
I'm surprised I'm apparently all alone in disliking Parks.
Give me reasons to hate him other than Javy's night blindness and I'll probably join you. I love hating things. It's what I'm best at.
I think his homoerotic "baseball prospects make me feel sex feelings" schtick is lame at best and sort of offensive at worst.
He also didn't rank Soler as a top 50 prospect in his midseason list this year. BURN HIM.
Quote from: Eli on August 28, 2014, 09:30:50 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 28, 2014, 09:23:28 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 28, 2014, 08:29:13 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 27, 2014, 11:46:35 PM
Baseball Prospectus's Jason Parks has accepted (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=24524) a scouting position with the Cubs. Javier Baez has already taken out a restraining order.
I'm surprised I'm apparently all alone in disliking Parks.
Give me reasons to hate him other than Javy's night blindness and I'll probably join you. I love hating things. It's what I'm best at.
I think his homoerotic "baseball prospects make me feel sex feelings" schtick is lame at best and sort of offensive at worst.
He also didn't rank Soler as a top 50 prospect in his midseason list this year. BURN HIM.
I will hate him to the ends of the earth. WHY DID THEO DO THIS? THE WHOLE REBUILD IS IN QUESTION NOW
Quote from: Eli on August 28, 2014, 09:30:50 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 28, 2014, 09:23:28 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 28, 2014, 08:29:13 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 27, 2014, 11:46:35 PM
Baseball Prospectus's Jason Parks has accepted (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=24524) a scouting position with the Cubs. Javier Baez has already taken out a restraining order.
I'm surprised I'm apparently all alone in disliking Parks.
Give me reasons to hate him other than Javy's night blindness and I'll probably join you. I love hating things. It's what I'm best at.
I think his homoerotic "baseball prospects make me feel sex feelings" schtick is lame at best and sort of offensive at worst.
He also didn't rank Soler as a top 50 prospect in his midseason list this year. BURN HIM.
You must be some sort of masochist if you continue to visit this messageboard then.
Quote from: InternetApex on August 28, 2014, 09:32:58 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 28, 2014, 09:30:50 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 28, 2014, 09:23:28 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 28, 2014, 08:29:13 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 27, 2014, 11:46:35 PM
Baseball Prospectus's Jason Parks has accepted (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=24524) a scouting position with the Cubs. Javier Baez has already taken out a restraining order.
I'm surprised I'm apparently all alone in disliking Parks.
Give me reasons to hate him other than Javy's night blindness and I'll probably join you. I love hating things. It's what I'm best at.
I think his homoerotic "baseball prospects make me feel sex feelings" schtick is lame at best and sort of offensive at worst.
He also didn't rank Soler as a top 50 prospect in his midseason list this year. BURN HIM.
You must be some sort of masochist if you continue to visit this messageboard then.
Eh. Maybe?
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Quote from: Eli on August 28, 2014, 10:03:24 AM
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Texas tattoo? Get the fuck out of here. I HATE YOU, JASON
Quote from: Yeti on August 28, 2014, 10:10:46 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 28, 2014, 10:03:24 AM
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Texas tattoo? Get the fuck out of here. I HATE YOU, JASON
I am too busy wondering what that man in the background is doing with his hand?
Quote from: Gilgamesh on August 30, 2014, 08:57:32 PM
Quote from: Yeti on August 28, 2014, 10:10:46 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 28, 2014, 10:03:24 AM
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Texas tattoo? Get the fuck out of here. I HATE YOU, JASON
I am too busy wondering what that man in the background is doing with his hand?
He's just doing what any of us do after we've been to the restroom.
Quote from: Tonker on August 31, 2014, 01:12:49 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on August 30, 2014, 08:57:32 PM
Quote from: Yeti on August 28, 2014, 10:10:46 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 28, 2014, 10:03:24 AM
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Texas tattoo? Get the fuck out of here. I HATE YOU, JASON
I am too busy wondering what that man in the background is doing with his hand?
He's just doing what any of us do after we've been to the restroom.
Other than putting the scooper back by the litter box, of course.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on August 30, 2014, 08:57:32 PM
Quote from: Yeti on August 28, 2014, 10:10:46 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 28, 2014, 10:03:24 AM
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Texas tattoo? Get the fuck out of here. I HATE YOU, JASON
I am too busy wondering what that man in the background is doing with his hand?
GIL!!!!
Rodgers screams "Theo/Hoyer/McLeod draft pick" to me, but it's too early to start hoping they pick certain guys TIME TO START WISHCASTING TEENAGERS (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2015-mlb-draft-top-51/)
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 12, 2014, 11:14:55 AM
Rodgers screams "Theo/Hoyer/McLeod draft pick" to me, but it's too early to start hoping they pick certain guys TIME TO START WISHCASTING TEENAGERS (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2015-mlb-draft-top-51/)
I assume because he's a SS?
I hope they take the best college bat in the first again and then pitchers in the next 10 rounds.
Wash, rinse, repeat, chammenchip.
I'll also support drafting Kyle Funkhouser, because that name is awesome and we could all use a little more funk in our lives.
Quote from: PenFoe on September 12, 2014, 01:15:21 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 12, 2014, 11:14:55 AM
Rodgers screams "Theo/Hoyer/McLeod draft pick" to me, but it's too early to start hoping they pick certain guys TIME TO START WISHCASTING TEENAGERS (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2015-mlb-draft-top-51/)
I assume because he's a SS?
I hope they take the best college bat in the first again and then pitchers in the next 10 rounds.
Wash, rinse, repeat, chammenchip.
I'll also support drafting Kyle Funkhouser, because that name is awesome and we could all use a little more funk in our lives.
Marty's kid?
Quote from: PenFoe on September 12, 2014, 01:15:21 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 12, 2014, 11:14:55 AM
Rodgers screams "Theo/Hoyer/McLeod draft pick" to me, but it's too early to start hoping they pick certain guys TIME TO START WISHCASTING TEENAGERS (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2015-mlb-draft-top-51/)
I assume because he's a SS?
I hope they take the best college bat in the first again and then pitchers in the next 10 rounds.
Wash, rinse, repeat, chammenchip.
I'll also support drafting Kyle Funkhouser, because that name is awesome and we could all use a little more funk in our lives.
The position and the bat.
QuoteRodgers was a standout last summer with scouts saying he'd go in the top 50 picks as a high school junior, then he took a huge step forward this summer when his bat speed and raw power jumped at least a notch, if not two. If you want to see him really let loose at the plate, check out this video, which I'm assuming is the And1 Mixtape Home Run Derby. Rodgers is only a solid-average runner but makes the most of his foot speed with solid instincts and very rarely ever misplays a ball at short. Some scouts aren't ready to anoint him the top prospect in the land yet because he doesn't "look like that type," which is basically code for an average running white shortstop isn't supposed to go 1/1. An averaging running shortstop from Orlando went 5th overall last year with 50 at best raw power and the 2015 class is shallow up top, so Rodgers belongs somewhere close to #1 if he isn't the best player right now.
I also like Skye Bolt and Lucius Fox if they decide to go with some names in the later rounds.
Quote from: Slaky on September 12, 2014, 01:20:25 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 12, 2014, 01:15:21 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 12, 2014, 11:14:55 AM
Rodgers screams "Theo/Hoyer/McLeod draft pick" to me, but it's too early to start hoping they pick certain guys TIME TO START WISHCASTING TEENAGERS (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2015-mlb-draft-top-51/)
I assume because he's a SS?
I hope they take the best college bat in the first again and then pitchers in the next 10 rounds.
Wash, rinse, repeat, chammenchip.
I'll also support drafting Kyle Funkhouser, because that name is awesome and we could all use a little more funk in our lives.
Marty's kid?
My darling Harriet:
To think that I waited a year to consummate our loving relationship makes my heart beat so loudly I'm surprised it didn't wake you up.
The only reason I'm not here now darling is that I'm at work to make enough money to buy you a house, a picket fence, we'll have dogs and children.
When the 5 o'clock dinner bell rings I will be home like the winged Gossamer of love in your arms.
Your loving husband, Harry.
PS. Your cunt is in the sink.
Cubs haven't re-upped with Boise, Kane County or Daytona yet.
Local papers in Boise and Daytona don't seem very optimistic about the Cubs being there next season.
Quote from: Fork on September 13, 2014, 09:52:14 PM
Cubs haven't re-upped with Boise, Kane County or Daytona yet.
Local papers in Boise and Daytona don't seem very optimistic about the Cubs being there next season.
Also, the Dodgers may be leaving Albuquerque and get replaced by either the Rockies or Astros. No need to worry, though. As long as SKO and I are around, the Albuquerque Isotopes-Iowa Cubs rivalry will continue.
Quote from: Fork on September 13, 2014, 09:52:14 PM
Cubs haven't re-upped with Boise, Kane County or Daytona yet.
Local papers in Boise and Daytona don't seem very optimistic about the Cubs being there next season.
Only one of these I care about is Daytona — that ballpark has great history and it's a really cool stop if you're traveling to watch Cubs affiliates. Wonder what the holdup with KC is.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 14, 2014, 01:24:43 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 13, 2014, 09:52:14 PM
Cubs haven't re-upped with Boise, Kane County or Daytona yet.
Local papers in Boise and Daytona don't seem very optimistic about the Cubs being there next season.
Only one of these I care about is Daytona — that ballpark has great history and it's a really cool stop if you're traveling to watch Cubs affiliates. Wonder what the holdup with KC is.
Problem with Daytona is the amount of rainouts/doubleheaders in the FSL the past few years.
Quote from: Fork on September 14, 2014, 06:43:39 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 14, 2014, 01:24:43 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 13, 2014, 09:52:14 PM
Cubs haven't re-upped with Boise, Kane County or Daytona yet.
Local papers in Boise and Daytona don't seem very optimistic about the Cubs being there next season.
Only one of these I care about is Daytona — that ballpark has great history and it's a really cool stop if you're traveling to watch Cubs affiliates. Wonder what the holdup with KC is.
Problem with Daytona is the amount of rainouts/doubleheaders in the FSL the past few years.
Or every year. It's Florida.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 14, 2014, 08:13:09 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 14, 2014, 06:43:39 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 14, 2014, 01:24:43 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 13, 2014, 09:52:14 PM
Cubs haven't re-upped with Boise, Kane County or Daytona yet.
Local papers in Boise and Daytona don't seem very optimistic about the Cubs being there next season.
Only one of these I care about is Daytona — that ballpark has great history and it's a really cool stop if you're traveling to watch Cubs affiliates. Wonder what the holdup with KC is.
Problem with Daytona is the amount of rainouts/doubleheaders in the FSL the past few years.
Or every year. It's Florida.
Or they could just leave the stupid FSL entirely.
Myrtle Beach, here we come.
Maybe on Olt's next rehab assignment, he can return to Myrtle Beach (.891 OPS over ~ 300 PAs in 2011) and visit some of his former flings.
Quote from: PenFoe on September 16, 2014, 04:09:03 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 14, 2014, 08:13:09 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 14, 2014, 06:43:39 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 14, 2014, 01:24:43 AM
Quote from: Fork on September 13, 2014, 09:52:14 PM
Cubs haven't re-upped with Boise, Kane County or Daytona yet.
Local papers in Boise and Daytona don't seem very optimistic about the Cubs being there next season.
Only one of these I care about is Daytona — that ballpark has great history and it's a really cool stop if you're traveling to watch Cubs affiliates. Wonder what the holdup with KC is.
Problem with Daytona is the amount of rainouts/doubleheaders in the FSL the past few years.
Or every year. It's Florida.
Or they could just leave the stupid FSL entirely.
Myrtle Beach, here we come.
Maybe on Olt's next rehab assignment, he can return to Myrtle Beach (.891 OPS over ~ 300 PAs in 2011) and visit some of his former flings.
But then again, the lovely Kala Shea (Lady Olt).
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Leaving Florida for SC to escape rain is like leaving North Dakota for Chicago to escape the winter.
Quote from: Bort on September 16, 2014, 05:30:29 PM
Leaving Florida for SC to escape rain is like leaving North Dakota for Chicago to escape the winter.
On the one hand, Myrtle Beach has 52" rain/year compared to 49" for Daytona.
But on the hand that's actually important, Daytona had 22 rainouts in 2014, Myrtle Beach had 5.
This is the one time ever that someone is saying South Carolina is better for something than another place, can't you just be happy about it?
Quote from: PenFoe on September 16, 2014, 05:39:05 PM
Quote from: Bort on September 16, 2014, 05:30:29 PM
Leaving Florida for SC to escape rain is like leaving North Dakota for Chicago to escape the winter.
On the one hand, Myrtle Beach has 52" rain/year compared to 49" for Daytona.
But on the hand that's actually important, Daytona had 22 rainouts in 2014, Myrtle Beach had 5.
This is the one time ever that someone is saying South Carolina is better for something than another place, can't you just be happy about it?
YOU'RE RIGHT FOR THE WRONG REASONS, PENFEEB.
With one announcement left to make, Myrtle Beach replaces Daytona and South Bend replaces Kane County. No word yet on their short season-A/rookie slot and Boise is still listed on the Cubs' site as their affiliate.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 18, 2014, 06:32:01 PM
With one announcement left to make, Myrtle Beach replaces Daytona and South Bend replaces Kane County. No word yet on their short season-A/rookie slot and Boise is still listed on the Cubs' site as their affiliate.
Looks like Eugene is switching from San Diego to the Cubs.
Quote from: Fork on September 19, 2014, 01:17:26 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 18, 2014, 06:32:01 PM
With one announcement left to make, Myrtle Beach replaces Daytona and South Bend replaces Kane County. No word yet on their short season-A/rookie slot and Boise is still listed on the Cubs' site as their affiliate.
Looks like Eugene is switching from San Diego to the Cubs.
Hope they raise the THC thresholds in MLB.
Cubs (and a couple other teams) using neuroscience to figure out if batters can be rewired to be better, smarter. (http://online.wsj.com/articles/baseballs-science-experiment-1411135882)
I have no idea how valid this is, but I freaking love our front office so much that they're at the forefront of this stuff.
Yet another lightspeed difference from the last guys.
Quote from: PenFoe on September 19, 2014, 10:59:44 AM
Cubs (and a couple other teams) using neuroscience to figure out if batters can be rewired to be better, smarter. (http://online.wsj.com/articles/baseballs-science-experiment-1411135882)
I have no idea how valid this is, but I freaking love our front office so much that they're at the forefront of this stuff.
Yet another lightspeed difference from the last guys.
Not too surprising. Chris Moore is the Cubs' new-ish Director of R&D and he studied neuroscience at Princeton.
Some examples of stuff he's written about before joining the front office:
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/crunching_the_numbers/002316-print.html
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2009/12/controlling_the.php
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2009/12/bayesian_umpire.php
Quote from: ChuckD on September 19, 2014, 11:28:33 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 19, 2014, 10:59:44 AM
Cubs (and a couple other teams) using neuroscience to figure out if batters can be rewired to be better, smarter. (http://online.wsj.com/articles/baseballs-science-experiment-1411135882)
I have no idea how valid this is, but I freaking love our front office so much that they're at the forefront of this stuff.
Yet another lightspeed difference from the last guys.
Not too surprising. Chris Moore is the Cubs' new-ish Director of R&D and he studied neuroscience at Princeton.
Some examples of stuff he's written about before joining the front office:
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/crunching_the_numbers/002316-print.html
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2009/12/controlling_the.php
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2009/12/bayesian_umpire.php
They don't play the game in your brain, though, nerds. It's played with arms and limbs out on the field.
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 11:32:22 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 19, 2014, 11:28:33 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 19, 2014, 10:59:44 AM
Cubs (and a couple other teams) using neuroscience to figure out if batters can be rewired to be better, smarter. (http://online.wsj.com/articles/baseballs-science-experiment-1411135882)
I have no idea how valid this is, but I freaking love our front office so much that they're at the forefront of this stuff.
Yet another lightspeed difference from the last guys.
Not too surprising. Chris Moore is the Cubs' new-ish Director of R&D and he studied neuroscience at Princeton.
Some examples of stuff he's written about before joining the front office:
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/crunching_the_numbers/002316-print.html
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2009/12/controlling_the.php
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2009/12/bayesian_umpire.php
They don't play the game in your brain, though, nerds. It's played with arms and limbs out on the field.
A silly laptop ain't never hit no ball.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 19, 2014, 12:40:03 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 11:32:22 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 19, 2014, 11:28:33 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 19, 2014, 10:59:44 AM
Cubs (and a couple other teams) using neuroscience to figure out if batters can be rewired to be better, smarter. (http://online.wsj.com/articles/baseballs-science-experiment-1411135882)
I have no idea how valid this is, but I freaking love our front office so much that they're at the forefront of this stuff.
Yet another lightspeed difference from the last guys.
Not too surprising. Chris Moore is the Cubs' new-ish Director of R&D and he studied neuroscience at Princeton.
Some examples of stuff he's written about before joining the front office:
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/crunching_the_numbers/002316-print.html
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2009/12/controlling_the.php
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2009/12/bayesian_umpire.php
They don't play the game in your brain, though, nerds. It's played with arms and limbs out on the field.
A silly laptop ain't never hit no ball.
You guys act as if the Cubs are new at all this egghead stuff. They had an entire college of coaches once.
Quote from: Fork on September 19, 2014, 12:44:27 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 19, 2014, 12:40:03 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 11:32:22 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 19, 2014, 11:28:33 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 19, 2014, 10:59:44 AM
Cubs (and a couple other teams) using neuroscience to figure out if batters can be rewired to be better, smarter. (http://online.wsj.com/articles/baseballs-science-experiment-1411135882)
I have no idea how valid this is, but I freaking love our front office so much that they're at the forefront of this stuff.
Yet another lightspeed difference from the last guys.
Not too surprising. Chris Moore is the Cubs' new-ish Director of R&D and he studied neuroscience at Princeton.
Some examples of stuff he's written about before joining the front office:
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/crunching_the_numbers/002316-print.html
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2009/12/controlling_the.php
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2009/12/bayesian_umpire.php
They don't play the game in your brain, though, nerds. It's played with arms and limbs out on the field.
A silly laptop ain't never hit no ball.
You guys act as if the Cubs are new at all this egghead stuff. They had an entire college of coaches once.
It was more embarrassing than usual to be a Cub fan that season.
Too bad the Cubs won't have any prospects anymore after MLB gives (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/10/central-notes-maddon-dirks-giambi-indians.html) them all to Tampa for tampering. :(
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 02, 2014, 08:59:25 PM
Too bad the Cubs won't have any prospects anymore after MLB gives (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/10/central-notes-maddon-dirks-giambi-indians.html) them all to Tampa for tampering. :(
Quote from: Out in Left FieldMaddon proved his lack of integrity. The Cubs ownership never had any. The one I am surprised about is Epstein. He seemed on the up and up, but he was right in the middle of this slimeball move. The bottomline is that baseball is a game that is not kind to those that have no honor.
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Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on November 02, 2014, 10:51:37 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 02, 2014, 08:59:25 PM
Too bad the Cubs won't have any prospects anymore after MLB gives (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/10/central-notes-maddon-dirks-giambi-indians.html) them all to Tampa for tampering. :(
Quote from: Out in Left FieldMaddon proved his lack of integrity. The Cubs ownership never had any. The one I am surprised about is Epstein. He seemed on the up and up, but he was right in the middle of this slimeball move. The bottomline is that baseball is a game that is not kind to those that have no honor.
(http://i.imgur.com/nIutxvl.jpg)
Link (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/baseballinsider/sh-t-doesn-good-baseball-managers-lifers-react-joe-maddon-cubs-situation-blog-entry-1.1992195)
QuoteHere is one baseball official who has participated in several managerial negotiations and hires: "As a player, you'd never want to go after someone else's job while the person is still in that job. It is just plain wrong for a coach or his agent to openly talk about a job when there is another human being.
That was the part that was baffling to me. I'm sure Mike Trout's backup is always striving to take his job. He can't because he's not as good as him, but he's always going to try to be better than Trout.
Also, when Jon Lester comes here, he's taking someone's job. Is he not supposed to come because the rotation possibly has Arrieta, Wood, Hendricks, Dubrount (sp?), Turner, EJax, Straily, Jokisch, etc?
QuoteAsked if he had ever heard of a managerial candidate speaking with a team while another man currently held the job, the official said, "I have never seen it happen. This is a totally new one to me. You have every right to go after a vacant job. There is no vacancy here."
It may be new to baseball, but in the rest of the workforce, I'm pretty sure people get fired for someone better all of the time.
Every free agent who signs with a new team is taking somebody else's job. This is the most horseshit stab at rationalizing asshurt I've seen in quite a while - at least one that doesn't involve holding public office.
Quote from: Yeti on November 03, 2014, 08:44:40 AM
It may be new to baseball, but in the rest of the workforce, I'm pretty sure people get fired for someone better all of the time.
Full disclosure--while the person whom I replaced in Chicago 2.5 years ago was not fired (she eventually quit) I had been approached about the possibility of replacing her when she was still in the position. A very delicate situation to be sure, but she was so goddamn incompetent a provisional succession had to be employed.
It happens. A lot.
What's with all of this anonymous butthurt BTW? It's making my sack itch.
Quote from: PANK! on November 03, 2014, 08:55:02 AM
Quote from: Yeti on November 03, 2014, 08:44:40 AM
It may be new to baseball, but in the rest of the workforce, I'm pretty sure people get fired for someone better all of the time.
Full disclosure--while the person whom I replaced in Chicago 2.5 years ago was not fired (she eventually quit) I had been approached about the possibility of replacing her when she was still in the position. A very delicate situation to be sure, but she was so goddamn incompetent a provisional succession had to be employed.
It happens. A lot.
What's with all of this anonymous butthurt BTW? It's making my sack itch.
Huey is now Joe Maddon? This is great. Thanks for sharing.
Quote from: BH on November 03, 2014, 08:57:34 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 03, 2014, 08:55:02 AM
Quote from: Yeti on November 03, 2014, 08:44:40 AM
It may be new to baseball, but in the rest of the workforce, I'm pretty sure people get fired for someone better all of the time.
Full disclosure--while the person whom I replaced in Chicago 2.5 years ago was not fired (she eventually quit) I had been approached about the possibility of replacing her when she was still in the position. A very delicate situation to be sure, but she was so goddamn incompetent a provisional succession had to be employed.
It happens. A lot.
What's with all of this anonymous butthurt BTW? It's making my sack itch.
Huey is now Joe Maddon? This is great. Thanks for sharing.
Fork and I will be opening a consulting firm wherein I discuss employment strategies and he consults on recovery time for injuries.
Quote from: PANK! on November 03, 2014, 08:58:30 AM
Quote from: BH on November 03, 2014, 08:57:34 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 03, 2014, 08:55:02 AM
Quote from: Yeti on November 03, 2014, 08:44:40 AM
It may be new to baseball, but in the rest of the workforce, I'm pretty sure people get fired for someone better all of the time.
Full disclosure--while the person whom I replaced in Chicago 2.5 years ago was not fired (she eventually quit) I had been approached about the possibility of replacing her when she was still in the position. A very delicate situation to be sure, but she was so goddamn incompetent a provisional succession had to be employed.
It happens. A lot.
What's with all of this anonymous butthurt BTW? It's making my sack itch.
Huey is now Joe Maddon? This is great. Thanks for sharing.
Fork and I will be opening a consulting firm wherein I discuss employment strategies and he consults on recovery time for injuries.
I just jotted down some notes that if anyone ever asks me for the Joe Maddon of university application work, I got their guy.
BP Top Ten:
SS Addison Russell
3B Kris Bryant
OF Jorge Soler
OF Albert Almora
C Kyle Schwarber
OF Billy McKinney
RHP Pierce Johnson
SS Gleyber Torres
1B Dan Vogelbach
LHP Carson Sands
I can post additional info from the article.... or you can remember my original desipio username and "hjeforall"
Quote from: Yeti on November 14, 2014, 08:46:42 AM
BP Top Ten:
SS Addison Russell
3B Kris Bryant
OF Jorge Soler
OF Albert Almora
C Kyle Schwarber
OF Billy McKinney
RHP Pierce Johnson
SS Gleyber Torres
1B Dan Vogelbach
LHP Carson Sands
I can post additional info from the article.... or you can remember my original desipio username and "hjeforall"
No CJ Edwards?
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 08:49:09 AM
Quote from: Yeti on November 14, 2014, 08:46:42 AM
BP Top Ten:
SS Addison Russell
3B Kris Bryant
OF Jorge Soler
OF Albert Almora
C Kyle Schwarber
OF Billy McKinney
RHP Pierce Johnson
SS Gleyber Torres
1B Dan Vogelbach
LHP Carson Sands
I can post additional info from the article.... or you can remember my original desipio username and "hjeforall"
No CJ Edwards?
Included in "Factors on the Farm (Prospects likely to contribute at the ML level in 2015)" and is the first listed there
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 08:49:09 AM
Quote from: Yeti on November 14, 2014, 08:46:42 AM
BP Top Ten:
SS Addison Russell
3B Kris Bryant
OF Jorge Soler
OF Albert Almora
C Kyle Schwarber
OF Billy McKinney
RHP Pierce Johnson
SS Gleyber Torres
1B Dan Vogelbach
LHP Carson Sands
I can post additional info from the article.... or you can remember my original desipio username and "hjeforall"
No CJ Edwards?
He's going to be a reliever. Probably a very good one, but that's not top 10 material.
I think they intended Russell over Bryant to be a big shock, but I think it's totally justifiable. Almora in the 4th spot is just dumb.
Quote from: Eli on November 14, 2014, 08:57:58 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 08:49:09 AM
Quote from: Yeti on November 14, 2014, 08:46:42 AM
BP Top Ten:
SS Addison Russell
3B Kris Bryant
OF Jorge Soler
OF Albert Almora
C Kyle Schwarber
OF Billy McKinney
RHP Pierce Johnson
SS Gleyber Torres
1B Dan Vogelbach
LHP Carson Sands
I can post additional info from the article.... or you can remember my original desipio username and "hjeforall"
No CJ Edwards?
He's going to be a reliever. Probably a very good one, but that's not top 10 material.
I think they intended Russell over Bryant to be a big shock, but I think it's totally justifiable. Almora in the 4th spot is just dumb.
Scouts and everyone who has ever met/watched Almora rave about him despite his putrid numbers. I mean, I get that if he reaches his "ceiling" he's going to be great value in center field but it seems like there should be more concern than there is about just how awful he was last year. I hope he can bounce back but ranking him #4 as is seems a bit optimistic.
Quote from: SKO on November 14, 2014, 09:02:09 AM
Scouts and everyone who has ever met/watched Almora rave about him despite his putrid numbers. I mean, I get that if he reaches his "ceiling" he's going to be great value in center field but it seems like there should be more concern than there is about just how awful he was last year. I hope he can bounce back but ranking him #4 as is seems a bit optimistic.
After watching the Royals this year, I love the idea of a guy who can go catch everything in center field, but the value of that skill is wasted in Wrigley's tiny outfield. And for this ranking, it's like they're just pretending his last 500 at-bats never happened.
Quote from: SKO on November 14, 2014, 09:02:09 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 14, 2014, 08:57:58 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 08:49:09 AM
Quote from: Yeti on November 14, 2014, 08:46:42 AM
BP Top Ten:
SS Addison Russell
3B Kris Bryant
OF Jorge Soler
OF Albert Almora
C Kyle Schwarber
OF Billy McKinney
RHP Pierce Johnson
SS Gleyber Torres
1B Dan Vogelbach
LHP Carson Sands
I can post additional info from the article.... or you can remember my original desipio username and "hjeforall"
No CJ Edwards?
He's going to be a reliever. Probably a very good one, but that's not top 10 material.
I think they intended Russell over Bryant to be a big shock, but I think it's totally justifiable. Almora in the 4th spot is just dumb.
Scouts and everyone who has ever met/watched Almora rave about him despite his putrid numbers. I mean, I get that if he reaches his "ceiling" he's going to be great value in center field but it seems like there should be more concern than there is about just how awful he was last year. I hope he can bounce back but ranking him #4 as is seems a bit optimistic.
I was surprised to see him move up to AA when he did. But he turns 21 in April, and he's got a reputation for working hard and listening to his coaches. I think he'll come in and handle AA pitching a lot better this spring.
I'm even more surprised none of the studly arms from Kane County made this list.
Quote from: Eli on November 14, 2014, 09:11:11 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 14, 2014, 09:02:09 AM
Scouts and everyone who has ever met/watched Almora rave about him despite his putrid numbers. I mean, I get that if he reaches his "ceiling" he's going to be great value in center field but it seems like there should be more concern than there is about just how awful he was last year. I hope he can bounce back but ranking him #4 as is seems a bit optimistic.
After watching the Royals this year, I love the idea of a guy who can go catch everything in center field, but the value of that skill is wasted in Wrigley's tiny outfield. And for this ranking, it's like they're just pretending his last 500 at-bats never happened.
Even Sahedev had that comment that day on twitter (that I saw you take umbrage to) about fans "scouting the stat line". Minor league numbers are obviously to be taken with a grain of salt in either direction but a sub .600 OPS over that many at bats is pretty damn concerning.
What it comes down is there are multiple guys that you can say could be on the top 10 list. I don't recall ever giving a shit about anyone beyond the top 2-3.
This is remarkable.
Quote from: Slaky on November 14, 2014, 09:16:58 AM
What it comes down is there are multiple guys that you can say could be on the top 10 list. I don't recall ever giving a shit about anyone beyond the top 2-3.
Except for the days when Bobby Brownlie, Luke Hagerty, Chad Blasko and Andrew Sisco were going to MAKE IT RAIN.
Ahhh...what an awful fucking time in retrospect...
Quote from: SKO on November 14, 2014, 09:13:03 AM
Even Sahedev had that comment that day on twitter (that I saw you take umbrage to) about fans "scouting the stat line".
And I still take umbrage -- umbrage, I say! -- to it.
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 09:19:59 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 14, 2014, 09:16:58 AM
What it comes down is there are multiple guys that you can say could be on the top 10 list. I don't recall ever giving a shit about anyone beyond the top 2-3.
Except for the days when Bobby Brownlie, Luke Hagerty, Chad Blasko and Andrew Sisco were going to MAKE IT RAIN.
Ahhh...what an awful fucking time in retrospect...
Was Sisco the one that had a good year out of the pen for a mediocre Royals team and led to a bunch of "Nice choice, Jim"?
Quote from: Eli on November 14, 2014, 09:24:18 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 14, 2014, 09:13:03 AM
Even Sahedev had that comment that day on twitter (that I saw you take umbrage to) about fans "scouting the stat line".
And I still take umbrage -- umbrage, I say! -- to it.
It was a pretty irritating thing to say. Obviously we as fans know that he has "the skillset," which is what the people who've seen him play keep raving about. Few people become first round picks without skills. I don't think it's unfair for us to question how useful those skills are if he's slugging like an ALS-stricken Juan Pierre.
Quote from: SKO on November 14, 2014, 09:26:39 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 09:19:59 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 14, 2014, 09:16:58 AM
What it comes down is there are multiple guys that you can say could be on the top 10 list. I don't recall ever giving a shit about anyone beyond the top 2-3.
Except for the days when Bobby Brownlie, Luke Hagerty, Chad Blasko and Andrew Sisco were going to MAKE IT RAIN.
Ahhh...what an awful fucking time in retrospect...
Was Sisco the one that had a good year out of the pen for a mediocre Royals team and led to a bunch of "Nice choice, Jim"?
Yeah there have been a few of those... Eric Hinske was another (where have you gone, Scott Chaisson?).
I also remember being upset in June of 1998 when a young Miguel Cairo got off to a good 2 month start for Tampa Bay after the Cubs let him go and also had traded Doug Glanville--who was also doing well for Philadelphia at that juncture-- for Mickey Mornandini (Sorry, Tonk). I remember thinking, "Oh way to go...we coulda been getting that kind of production out of Cairo
without having to trade Glanville."
So glad there was no real Internet in 1998.
Comedy is hard. (https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/533254717137489920) Believe me I know.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 14, 2014, 09:35:27 AM
Comedy is hard. (https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/533254717137489920) Believe me I know.
Perhaps this should go into the "I Admit It" thread but like 95% of the guys who do Cubs Twitter grate on me for some indefinable reason. I know that's a really shocking admission coming from a perpetually angry, drunken potato head but I thought I'd put it out there nonetheless.
I really like Arguello, and Sahadev is fine but the rest of those guys annoy me for some reason.
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 09:39:04 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 14, 2014, 09:35:27 AM
Comedy is hard. (https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/533254717137489920) Believe me I know.
Perhaps this should go into the "I Admit It" thread but like 95% of the guys who do Cubs Twitter grate on me for some indefinable reason. I know that's a really shocking admission coming from a perpetually angry, drunken potato head but I thought I'd put it out there nonetheless.
I really like Arguello, and Sahadev is fine but the rest of those guys annoy me for some reason.
I get Arguello and Loxas mixed up, but I just think of them both as guys who pretend to have sources and probably don't.
And if anyone ever reeked of effort, it's Brett from Bleacher Nation.
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 09:39:04 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 14, 2014, 09:35:27 AM
Comedy is hard. (https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/533254717137489920) Believe me I know.
Perhaps this should go into the "I Admit It" thread but like 95% of the guys who do Cubs Twitter grate on me for some indefinable reason. I know that's a really shocking admission coming from a perpetually angry, drunken potato head but I thought I'd put it out there nonetheless.
I really like Arguello, and Sahadev is fine but the rest of those guys annoy me for some reason.
I'm on board with you on those two, even though I fucking hate Arguello's site layout.... or more specifically the ChicagoNow design.
I'm fine with Brett, though. He doesn't bug me that much. Crewsett's my fave Cubes twitterer, though.
Quote from: Yeti on November 14, 2014, 09:47:20 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 09:39:04 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 14, 2014, 09:35:27 AM
Comedy is hard. (https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/533254717137489920) Believe me I know.
Perhaps this should go into the "I Admit It" thread but like 95% of the guys who do Cubs Twitter grate on me for some indefinable reason. I know that's a really shocking admission coming from a perpetually angry, drunken potato head but I thought I'd put it out there nonetheless.
I really like Arguello, and Sahadev is fine but the rest of those guys annoy me for some reason.
I'm on board with you on those two, even though I fucking hate Arguello's site layout.... or more specifically the ChicagoNow design.
I'm fine with Brett, though. He doesn't bug me that much. Crewsett's my fave Cubes twitterer, though.
Crewsett's awful--the guy wastes so much time obsessing about Latin players' pronunciations that I had to stop following him.
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 09:30:02 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 14, 2014, 09:26:39 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 09:19:59 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 14, 2014, 09:16:58 AM
What it comes down is there are multiple guys that you can say could be on the top 10 list. I don't recall ever giving a shit about anyone beyond the top 2-3.
Except for the days when Bobby Brownlie, Luke Hagerty, Chad Blasko and Andrew Sisco were going to MAKE IT RAIN.
Ahhh...what an awful fucking time in retrospect...
Was Sisco the one that had a good year out of the pen for a mediocre Royals team and led to a bunch of "Nice choice, Jim"?
Yeah there have been a few of those... Eric Hinske was another (where have you gone, Scott Chaisson?).
I also remember being upset in June of 1998 when a young Miguel Cairo got off to a good 2 month start for Tampa Bay after the Cubs let him go and also had traded Doug Glanville--who was also doing well for Philadelphia at that juncture-- for Mickey Mornandini (Sorry, Tonk). I remember thinking, "Oh way to go...we coulda been getting that kind of production out of Cairo without having to trade Glanville."
So glad there was no real Internet in 1998.
You're dead to me. And, I don't doubt, to the Mick.
Quote from: SKO on November 14, 2014, 09:26:39 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 09:19:59 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 14, 2014, 09:16:58 AM
What it comes down is there are multiple guys that you can say could be on the top 10 list. I don't recall ever giving a shit about anyone beyond the top 2-3.
Except for the days when Bobby Brownlie, Luke Hagerty, Chad Blasko and Andrew Sisco were going to MAKE IT RAIN.
Ahhh...what an awful fucking time in retrospect...
Was Sisco the one that had a good year out of the pen for a mediocre Royals team and led to a bunch of "Nice choice, Jim"?
Nice choice, Jim was a Steve Stone original... For Casey McGehee
Quote from: Tonker on November 14, 2014, 10:09:25 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 09:30:02 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 14, 2014, 09:26:39 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 09:19:59 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 14, 2014, 09:16:58 AM
What it comes down is there are multiple guys that you can say could be on the top 10 list. I don't recall ever giving a shit about anyone beyond the top 2-3.
Except for the days when Bobby Brownlie, Luke Hagerty, Chad Blasko and Andrew Sisco were going to MAKE IT RAIN.
Ahhh...what an awful fucking time in retrospect...
Was Sisco the one that had a good year out of the pen for a mediocre Royals team and led to a bunch of "Nice choice, Jim"?
Yeah there have been a few of those... Eric Hinske was another (where have you gone, Scott Chaisson?).
I also remember being upset in June of 1998 when a young Miguel Cairo got off to a good 2 month start for Tampa Bay after the Cubs let him go and also had traded Doug Glanville--who was also doing well for Philadelphia at that juncture-- for Mickey Mornandini (Sorry, Tonk). I remember thinking, "Oh way to go...we coulda been getting that kind of production out of Cairo without having to trade Glanville."
So glad there was no real Internet in 1998.
You're dead to me. And, I don't doubt, to the Mick.
Hey
I'm the Mick around here, pal.
Quote from: Eli on November 14, 2014, 09:45:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 09:39:04 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 14, 2014, 09:35:27 AM
Comedy is hard. (https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/533254717137489920) Believe me I know.
Perhaps this should go into the "I Admit It" thread but like 95% of the guys who do Cubs Twitter grate on me for some indefinable reason. I know that's a really shocking admission coming from a perpetually angry, drunken potato head but I thought I'd put it out there nonetheless.
I really like Arguello, and Sahadev is fine but the rest of those guys annoy me for some reason.
I get Arguello and Loxas mixed up, but I just think of them both as guys who pretend to have sources and probably don't.
And if anyone ever reeked of effort, it's Brett from Bleacher Nation.
That's what I haven't been able to put my finger on until now. He also has some borderline Al qualities, like that butthurt item about politics and net neutrality yesterday.
Quote from: Eli on November 14, 2014, 09:45:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 09:39:04 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 14, 2014, 09:35:27 AM
Comedy is hard. (https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/533254717137489920) Believe me I know.
Perhaps this should go into the "I Admit It" thread but like 95% of the guys who do Cubs Twitter grate on me for some indefinable reason. I know that's a really shocking admission coming from a perpetually angry, drunken potato head but I thought I'd put it out there nonetheless.
I really like Arguello, and Sahadev is fine but the rest of those guys annoy me for some reason.
I get Arguello and Loxas mixed up, but I just think of them both as guys who pretend to have sources and probably don't.
And if anyone ever reeked of effort, it's Brett from Bleacher Nation.
Yeah. Brett's a good writer with decent insight, but the constant LIKE ME LIKE MEEEEE drives me insane. But maybe that's because the first Cubs blogger I ever followed posts like three to four times a year despite the misleading title of "daily dose"
Quote from: SKO on November 14, 2014, 11:22:54 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 14, 2014, 09:45:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 09:39:04 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 14, 2014, 09:35:27 AM
Comedy is hard. (https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/533254717137489920) Believe me I know.
Perhaps this should go into the "I Admit It" thread but like 95% of the guys who do Cubs Twitter grate on me for some indefinable reason. I know that's a really shocking admission coming from a perpetually angry, drunken potato head but I thought I'd put it out there nonetheless.
I really like Arguello, and Sahadev is fine but the rest of those guys annoy me for some reason.
I get Arguello and Loxas mixed up, but I just think of them both as guys who pretend to have sources and probably don't.
And if anyone ever reeked of effort, it's Brett from Bleacher Nation.
Yeah. Brett's a good writer with decent insight, but the constant LIKE ME LIKE MEEEEE drives me insane. But maybe that's because the first Cubs blogger I ever followed posts like three to four times a year despite the misleading title of "daily dose"
Whatever happened to that guy, anyway?
Quote from: SKO on November 14, 2014, 11:22:54 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 14, 2014, 09:45:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 09:39:04 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 14, 2014, 09:35:27 AM
Comedy is hard. (https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/533254717137489920) Believe me I know.
Perhaps this should go into the "I Admit It" thread but like 95% of the guys who do Cubs Twitter grate on me for some indefinable reason. I know that's a really shocking admission coming from a perpetually angry, drunken potato head but I thought I'd put it out there nonetheless.
I really like Arguello, and Sahadev is fine but the rest of those guys annoy me for some reason.
I get Arguello and Loxas mixed up, but I just think of them both as guys who pretend to have sources and probably don't.
And if anyone ever reeked of effort, it's Brett from Bleacher Nation.
Yeah. Brett's a good writer with decent insight, but the constant LIKE ME LIKE MEEEEE drives me insane. But maybe that's because the first Cubs blogger I ever followed posts like three to four times a year despite the misleading title of "daily dose"
He began following me before I was following him (or before I was even aware of who he was), and, as soon as I reciprocated, he stopped following me, which seemed kind of cheesy to me.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 14, 2014, 11:29:27 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 14, 2014, 11:22:54 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 14, 2014, 09:45:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 09:39:04 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 14, 2014, 09:35:27 AM
Comedy is hard. (https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/533254717137489920) Believe me I know.
Perhaps this should go into the "I Admit It" thread but like 95% of the guys who do Cubs Twitter grate on me for some indefinable reason. I know that's a really shocking admission coming from a perpetually angry, drunken potato head but I thought I'd put it out there nonetheless.
I really like Arguello, and Sahadev is fine but the rest of those guys annoy me for some reason.
I get Arguello and Loxas mixed up, but I just think of them both as guys who pretend to have sources and probably don't.
And if anyone ever reeked of effort, it's Brett from Bleacher Nation.
Yeah. Brett's a good writer with decent insight, but the constant LIKE ME LIKE MEEEEE drives me insane. But maybe that's because the first Cubs blogger I ever followed posts like three to four times a year despite the misleading title of "daily dose"
Whatever happened to that guy, anyway?
He started a site chronicling the red-hot DuPage/Kane improv scene.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 14, 2014, 11:29:27 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 14, 2014, 11:22:54 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 14, 2014, 09:45:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 09:39:04 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 14, 2014, 09:35:27 AM
Comedy is hard. (https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/533254717137489920) Believe me I know.
Perhaps this should go into the "I Admit It" thread but like 95% of the guys who do Cubs Twitter grate on me for some indefinable reason. I know that's a really shocking admission coming from a perpetually angry, drunken potato head but I thought I'd put it out there nonetheless.
I really like Arguello, and Sahadev is fine but the rest of those guys annoy me for some reason.
I get Arguello and Loxas mixed up, but I just think of them both as guys who pretend to have sources and probably don't.
And if anyone ever reeked of effort, it's Brett from Bleacher Nation.
Yeah. Brett's a good writer with decent insight, but the constant LIKE ME LIKE MEEEEE drives me insane. But maybe that's because the first Cubs blogger I ever followed posts like three to four times a year despite the misleading title of "daily dose"
Whatever happened to that guy, anyway?
Legend tells he moved to the wintry north to sell velvet sportcoats.
Quote from: Eli on November 14, 2014, 09:45:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 09:39:04 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 14, 2014, 09:35:27 AM
Comedy is hard. (https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/533254717137489920) Believe me I know.
Perhaps this should go into the "I Admit It" thread but like 95% of the guys who do Cubs Twitter grate on me for some indefinable reason. I know that's a really shocking admission coming from a perpetually angry, drunken potato head but I thought I'd put it out there nonetheless.
I really like Arguello, and Sahadev is fine but the rest of those guys annoy me for some reason.
I get Arguello and Loxas mixed up, but I just think of them both as guys who pretend to have sources and probably don't.
And if anyone ever reeked of effort, it's Brett from Bleacher Nation.
I think this is commonly referred to as "the Dan Bernstein."
I sincerely admire and appreciate the work ethic that has to go into Bleacher Nation - it's hands down the best source for keeping up to date on all things Cub - but yeah it's too bad that product couldn't be churned out by someone who also has a good sense of humor.
Quote from: R-V on November 14, 2014, 11:44:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 14, 2014, 09:45:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 09:39:04 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 14, 2014, 09:35:27 AM
Comedy is hard. (https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/533254717137489920) Believe me I know.
Perhaps this should go into the "I Admit It" thread but like 95% of the guys who do Cubs Twitter grate on me for some indefinable reason. I know that's a really shocking admission coming from a perpetually angry, drunken potato head but I thought I'd put it out there nonetheless.
I really like Arguello, and Sahadev is fine but the rest of those guys annoy me for some reason.
I get Arguello and Loxas mixed up, but I just think of them both as guys who pretend to have sources and probably don't.
And if anyone ever reeked of effort, it's Brett from Bleacher Nation.
I think this is commonly referred to as "the Dan Bernstein."
I sincerely admire and appreciate the work ethic that has to go into Bleacher Nation - it's hands down the best source for keeping up to date on all things Cub - but yeah it's too bad that product couldn't be churned out by someone who also has a good sense of humor.
None of them have a sense of humor. They all talk about the same thing-- the Cubs, their children/babies, and whatever craft beer they're drinking at the time.
It's like being trapped in a room with an even
more insufferable PenFoe.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 14, 2014, 11:29:27 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 14, 2014, 11:22:54 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 14, 2014, 09:45:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 09:39:04 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 14, 2014, 09:35:27 AM
Comedy is hard. (https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/533254717137489920) Believe me I know.
Perhaps this should go into the "I Admit It" thread but like 95% of the guys who do Cubs Twitter grate on me for some indefinable reason. I know that's a really shocking admission coming from a perpetually angry, drunken potato head but I thought I'd put it out there nonetheless.
I really like Arguello, and Sahadev is fine but the rest of those guys annoy me for some reason.
I get Arguello and Loxas mixed up, but I just think of them both as guys who pretend to have sources and probably don't.
And if anyone ever reeked of effort, it's Brett from Bleacher Nation.
Yeah. Brett's a good writer with decent insight, but the constant LIKE ME LIKE MEEEEE drives me insane. But maybe that's because the first Cubs blogger I ever followed posts like three to four times a year despite the misleading title of "daily dose"
Whatever happened to that guy, anyway?
He was murdered by a drunken Timothy Busfield after an altercation in a bar.
And of course I'll readily acknowledge being an ingrate, for I, too, appreciate the baseball content. Similar to what RV was saying, though, it's difficult for me not to separate the work from the arid personalities who are so graciously providing it.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 14, 2014, 11:29:27 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 14, 2014, 11:22:54 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 14, 2014, 09:45:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 09:39:04 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 14, 2014, 09:35:27 AM
Comedy is hard. (https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/533254717137489920) Believe me I know.
Perhaps this should go into the "I Admit It" thread but like 95% of the guys who do Cubs Twitter grate on me for some indefinable reason. I know that's a really shocking admission coming from a perpetually angry, drunken potato head but I thought I'd put it out there nonetheless.
I really like Arguello, and Sahadev is fine but the rest of those guys annoy me for some reason.
I get Arguello and Loxas mixed up, but I just think of them both as guys who pretend to have sources and probably don't.
And if anyone ever reeked of effort, it's Brett from Bleacher Nation.
Yeah. Brett's a good writer with decent insight, but the constant LIKE ME LIKE MEEEEE drives me insane. But maybe that's because the first Cubs blogger I ever followed posts like three to four times a year despite the misleading title of "daily dose"
Whatever happened to that guy, anyway?
He writes about basketball now. (http://www.desipio.com/?p=4998)
Quote from: Eli on November 14, 2014, 09:11:11 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 14, 2014, 09:02:09 AM
Scouts and everyone who has ever met/watched Almora rave about him despite his putrid numbers. I mean, I get that if he reaches his "ceiling" he's going to be great value in center field but it seems like there should be more concern than there is about just how awful he was last year. I hope he can bounce back but ranking him #4 as is seems a bit optimistic.
After watching the Royals this year, I love the idea of a guy who can go catch everything in center field, but the value of that skill is wasted in Wrigley's tiny outfield. And for this ranking, it's like they're just pretending his last 500 at-bats never happened.
I agree that skill is not as valuable for a guy who plays half his games in Wrigley, but it can still be a tough place to play with the wind and all. So a dope ass centerfielder isn't to be scoffed at. Don't scoff, Eli. Plus if that skill plays better for teams in bigger ballparks, perhaps they'd like to make a Thed an offer. Rank him number one. Let's light this candle.
Quote from: InternetApex on November 14, 2014, 12:04:29 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 14, 2014, 09:11:11 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 14, 2014, 09:02:09 AM
Scouts and everyone who has ever met/watched Almora rave about him despite his putrid numbers. I mean, I get that if he reaches his "ceiling" he's going to be great value in center field but it seems like there should be more concern than there is about just how awful he was last year. I hope he can bounce back but ranking him #4 as is seems a bit optimistic.
After watching the Royals this year, I love the idea of a guy who can go catch everything in center field, but the value of that skill is wasted in Wrigley's tiny outfield. And for this ranking, it's like they're just pretending his last 500 at-bats never happened.
I agree that skill is not as valuable for a guy who plays half his games in Wrigley, but it can still be a tough place to play with the wind and all. So a dope ass centerfielder isn't to be scoffed at. Don't scoff, Eli. Plus if that skill plays better for teams in bigger ballparks, perhaps they'd like to make a Thed an offer. Rank him number one. Let's light this candle.
That was damn near my exact thought when I saw Vogelbach in the top 10.
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 11:33:50 AM
He began following me before I was following him (or before I was even aware of who he was), and, as soon as I reciprocated, he stopped following me, which seemed kind of cheesy to me.
He's followed and unfollowed me no less than five times.
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 11:33:50 AM
(or before I was even aware of who he was)
Which is to say, before you knew he was Ace?
Quote from: Eli on November 14, 2014, 08:57:58 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 08:49:09 AM
Quote from: Yeti on November 14, 2014, 08:46:42 AM
BP Top Ten:
SS Addison Russell
3B Kris Bryant
OF Jorge Soler
OF Albert Almora
C Kyle Schwarber
OF Billy McKinney
RHP Pierce Johnson
SS Gleyber Torres
1B Dan Vogelbach
LHP Carson Sands
I can post additional info from the article.... or you can remember my original desipio username and "hjeforall"
No CJ Edwards?
He's going to be a reliever. Probably a very good one, but that's not top 10 material.
I think they intended Russell over Bryant to be a big shock, but I think it's totally justifiable. Almora in the 4th spot is just dumb.
I just found out that he's black. He's going to be a lot better than you guys think.
Quote from: InternetApex on November 14, 2014, 02:28:27 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 14, 2014, 08:57:58 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 08:49:09 AM
Quote from: Yeti on November 14, 2014, 08:46:42 AM
BP Top Ten:
SS Addison Russell
3B Kris Bryant
OF Jorge Soler
OF Albert Almora
C Kyle Schwarber
OF Billy McKinney
RHP Pierce Johnson
SS Gleyber Torres
1B Dan Vogelbach
LHP Carson Sands
I can post additional info from the article.... or you can remember my original desipio username and "hjeforall"
No CJ Edwards?
He's going to be a reliever. Probably a very good one, but that's not top 10 material.
I think they intended Russell over Bryant to be a big shock, but I think it's totally justifiable. Almora in the 4th spot is just dumb.
I just found out that he's black. He's going to be a lot better than you guys think.
Like, Key and Peele black
(http://i.imgur.com/SJbEfpp.jpg)
Quote from: Slaky on November 14, 2014, 03:54:37 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/SJbEfpp.jpg)
Not Shut Up Paul, You're A Douche
TM?
A hilarious reappearance of teh Pual notwithstanding, I'll actually agree that it's a pretty goddamn stupid take to insist that "someone in the middle infield has to go" the implication being that they have to go NOW. Fuck that--nobody needs to be traded yet. Russel's not even on the big-league roster right noe. What the fuck is that shit? They've got canyons of payroll room to sign pitchers this offseason.
The 140 character limit doesn't allow for nuance. While I agree that someone from th MI doesn't "have to go," it is the most likely place for a trade to come from due to the surplus of talent. Futher, this front office has a history of trading from the MI (Nomar, Ramirez).
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 15, 2014, 11:37:39 AM
The 140 character limit doesn't allow for nuance. While I agree that someone from th MI doesn't "have to go," it is the most likely place for a trade to come from due to the surplus of talent. Futher, this front office has a history of trading from the MI (Nomar, Ramirez).
I don't think that anyone's going to argue that one of the MI's will be dealt eventually...but there's no reason to do it this offseason.
Quote from: PANK! on November 15, 2014, 11:46:55 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 15, 2014, 11:37:39 AM
The 140 character limit doesn't allow for nuance. While I agree that someone from th MI doesn't "have to go," it is the most likely place for a trade to come from due to the surplus of talent. Futher, this front office has a history of trading from the MI (Nomar, Ramirez).
I don't think that anyone's going to argue that one of the MI's will be dealt eventually...but there's no reason to do it this offseason.
And to do it for Jordan Zimmerman is even dumber and more needlessly impulsive. Zimmerman's a fine pitcher but the only guy for whom they should consider dealing their studs would be Hamels and I'm not 100% sold on the wisdom of doing that.
Why is trading for a 30 year old better than trading for a 25 year old?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 15, 2014, 12:06:57 PM
Why is trading for a 30 year old better than trading for a 25 year old?
Well, first of all, Zimmermann is 28, not 25. Also, Hamels has 4 reasonable years left on his contract and Zimmermann hits FA after next season.
Quote from: Eli on November 15, 2014, 01:12:22 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 15, 2014, 12:06:57 PM
Why is trading for a 30 year old better than trading for a 25 year old?
Well, first of all, Zimmermann is 28, not 25. Also, Hamels has 4 reasonable years left on his contract and Zimmermann hits FA after next season. Because Chuck is wrong.
Could have saved yourself some keystrokes.
Quote from: Eli on November 15, 2014, 01:12:22 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 15, 2014, 12:06:57 PM
Why is trading for a 30 year old better than trading for a 25 year old?
Well, first of all, Zimmermann is 28, not 25. Also, Hamels has 4 reasonable years left on his contract and Zimmermann hits FA after next season.
So you'd get 2 more years of a player's prime in exchange for more of Ricketts' money? Sign me up.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 15, 2014, 04:43:28 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 15, 2014, 01:12:22 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 15, 2014, 12:06:57 PM
Why is trading for a 30 year old better than trading for a 25 year old?
Well, first of all, Zimmermann is 28, not 25. Also, Hamels has 4 reasonable years left on his contract and Zimmermann hits FA after next season.
So you'd get 2 more years of a player's prime in exchange for more of Ricketts' money? Sign me up.
Ok. What am I signing you up for?
Quote from: InternetApex on November 16, 2014, 01:27:00 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 15, 2014, 04:43:28 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 15, 2014, 01:12:22 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 15, 2014, 12:06:57 PM
Why is trading for a 30 year old better than trading for a 25 year old?
Well, first of all, Zimmermann is 28, not 25. Also, Hamels has 4 reasonable years left on his contract and Zimmermann hits FA after next season.
So you'd get 2 more years of a player's prime in exchange for more of Ricketts' money? Sign me up.
Ok. What am I signing you up for?
Something about ... being forced to stare at Christina Hendricks' ass until he dies of starvation
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 15, 2014, 04:43:28 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 15, 2014, 01:12:22 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 15, 2014, 12:06:57 PM
Why is trading for a 30 year old better than trading for a 25 year old?
Well, first of all, Zimmermann is 28, not 25. Also, Hamels has 4 reasonable years left on his contract and Zimmermann hits FA after next season.
So you'd get 2 more years of a player's prime in exchange for more of Ricketts' money? Sign me up.
I know you work in banking so this may be hard to understand, but just because it's someone else's money doesn't mean it doesn't matter.
(I'm kidding, of course, but it's not like Ricketts' money is unlimited.)
I'm not cool with trading anyone from the MI because I don't think when you look at what the return for Price or Lester was that any of these pitchers really merit a player of Starlin or Russell's caliber. Also Baez is an interesting case that I wouldn't trade because his upside is so ridiculously high, but I also wouldn't trade Castro or Russell yet because there's a very distinct possibility that Baez might just suck and we would need said MI surplus to cover that possibility.
On a different note I realize she's cloaked herself in lots of really eloquent and intelligent statements about how hard it is to be a woman in sports media to the point that you can't help but feel like a sexist prick when talking negatively about her, but Julie says a lot of terribly stupid shit.
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 11:45:54 AM
Quote from: R-V on November 14, 2014, 11:44:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 14, 2014, 09:45:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 09:39:04 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 14, 2014, 09:35:27 AM
Comedy is hard. (https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/533254717137489920) Believe me I know.
Perhaps this should go into the "I Admit It" thread but like 95% of the guys who do Cubs Twitter grate on me for some indefinable reason. I know that's a really shocking admission coming from a perpetually angry, drunken potato head but I thought I'd put it out there nonetheless.
I really like Arguello, and Sahadev is fine but the rest of those guys annoy me for some reason.
I get Arguello and Loxas mixed up, but I just think of them both as guys who pretend to have sources and probably don't.
And if anyone ever reeked of effort, it's Brett from Bleacher Nation.
I think this is commonly referred to as "the Dan Bernstein."
I sincerely admire and appreciate the work ethic that has to go into Bleacher Nation - it's hands down the best source for keeping up to date on all things Cub - but yeah it's too bad that product couldn't be churned out by someone who also has a good sense of humor.
None of them have a sense of humor. They all talk about the same thing-- the Cubs, their children/babies, and whatever craft beer they're drinking at the time.
It's like being trapped in a room with an even more insufferable PenFoe.
For what it's worth, I'm cool with both Brett and Arguello. They're fine sources of information and that's really what I "use" them for. I have other places to go for humor and I don't care if they're trying too hard or whatever the current bitch session is. I don't stop reading CNN because I don't like their sense of humor, I stop reading because the news is old or irrelevant.
As long as those guys are churning out news and perspective on the Cubs without getting butthurt every article, they're fine by me.
Also, I don't give two shits whether they follow me on Twitter or not. It's not like my Twitter (or any of ours) are vital sources of information, outside of maybe Slak's soccer one that I don't understand.
They're just guys working hard to put out news and information about the Cubs and doing so in a way that is decidedly not Al-like.
They're good by me.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 17, 2014, 10:54:06 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 11:45:54 AM
Quote from: R-V on November 14, 2014, 11:44:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 14, 2014, 09:45:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 09:39:04 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 14, 2014, 09:35:27 AM
Comedy is hard. (https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/533254717137489920) Believe me I know.
Perhaps this should go into the "I Admit It" thread but like 95% of the guys who do Cubs Twitter grate on me for some indefinable reason. I know that's a really shocking admission coming from a perpetually angry, drunken potato head but I thought I'd put it out there nonetheless.
I really like Arguello, and Sahadev is fine but the rest of those guys annoy me for some reason.
I get Arguello and Loxas mixed up, but I just think of them both as guys who pretend to have sources and probably don't.
And if anyone ever reeked of effort, it's Brett from Bleacher Nation.
I think this is commonly referred to as "the Dan Bernstein."
I sincerely admire and appreciate the work ethic that has to go into Bleacher Nation - it's hands down the best source for keeping up to date on all things Cub - but yeah it's too bad that product couldn't be churned out by someone who also has a good sense of humor.
None of them have a sense of humor. They all talk about the same thing-- the Cubs, their children/babies, and whatever craft beer they're drinking at the time.
It's like being trapped in a room with an even more insufferable PenFoe.
For what it's worth, I'm cool with both Brett and Arguello. They're fine sources of information and that's really what I "use" them for. I have other places to go for humor and I don't care if they're trying too hard or whatever the current bitch session is. I don't stop reading CNN because I don't like their sense of humor, I stop reading because the news is old or irrelevant.
As long as those guys are churning out news and perspective on the Cubs without getting butthurt every article, they're fine by me.
Also, I don't give two shits whether they follow me on Twitter or not. It's not like my Twitter (or any of ours) are vital sources of information, outside of maybe Slak's soccer one that I don't understand.
They're just guys working hard to put out news and information about the Cubs and doing so in a way that is decidedly not Al-like.
They're good by me.
Great. You're a real fucking humanitarian.
Quote from: SKO on November 17, 2014, 11:02:04 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 17, 2014, 10:54:06 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 11:45:54 AM
Quote from: R-V on November 14, 2014, 11:44:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 14, 2014, 09:45:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 09:39:04 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 14, 2014, 09:35:27 AM
Comedy is hard. (https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/533254717137489920) Believe me I know.
Perhaps this should go into the "I Admit It" thread but like 95% of the guys who do Cubs Twitter grate on me for some indefinable reason. I know that's a really shocking admission coming from a perpetually angry, drunken potato head but I thought I'd put it out there nonetheless.
I really like Arguello, and Sahadev is fine but the rest of those guys annoy me for some reason.
I get Arguello and Loxas mixed up, but I just think of them both as guys who pretend to have sources and probably don't.
And if anyone ever reeked of effort, it's Brett from Bleacher Nation.
I think this is commonly referred to as "the Dan Bernstein."
I sincerely admire and appreciate the work ethic that has to go into Bleacher Nation - it's hands down the best source for keeping up to date on all things Cub - but yeah it's too bad that product couldn't be churned out by someone who also has a good sense of humor.
None of them have a sense of humor. They all talk about the same thing-- the Cubs, their children/babies, and whatever craft beer they're drinking at the time.
It's like being trapped in a room with an even more insufferable PenFoe.
For what it's worth, I'm cool with both Brett and Arguello. They're fine sources of information and that's really what I "use" them for. I have other places to go for humor and I don't care if they're trying too hard or whatever the current bitch session is. I don't stop reading CNN because I don't like their sense of humor, I stop reading because the news is old or irrelevant.
As long as those guys are churning out news and perspective on the Cubs without getting butthurt every article, they're fine by me.
Also, I don't give two shits whether they follow me on Twitter or not. It's not like my Twitter (or any of ours) are vital sources of information, outside of maybe Slak's soccer one that I don't understand.
They're just guys working hard to put out news and information about the Cubs and doing so in a way that is decidedly not Al-like.
They're good by me.
Great. You're a real fucking humanitarian.
I reserve the right to change my mind at any time.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/921/3509843336.jpg)
Quote from: PenFoe on November 17, 2014, 01:58:31 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 17, 2014, 11:02:04 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 17, 2014, 10:54:06 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 11:45:54 AM
Quote from: R-V on November 14, 2014, 11:44:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 14, 2014, 09:45:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 09:39:04 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 14, 2014, 09:35:27 AM
Comedy is hard. (https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/533254717137489920) Believe me I know.
Perhaps this should go into the "I Admit It" thread but like 95% of the guys who do Cubs Twitter grate on me for some indefinable reason. I know that's a really shocking admission coming from a perpetually angry, drunken potato head but I thought I'd put it out there nonetheless.
I really like Arguello, and Sahadev is fine but the rest of those guys annoy me for some reason.
I get Arguello and Loxas mixed up, but I just think of them both as guys who pretend to have sources and probably don't.
And if anyone ever reeked of effort, it's Brett from Bleacher Nation.
I think this is commonly referred to as "the Dan Bernstein."
I sincerely admire and appreciate the work ethic that has to go into Bleacher Nation - it's hands down the best source for keeping up to date on all things Cub - but yeah it's too bad that product couldn't be churned out by someone who also has a good sense of humor.
None of them have a sense of humor. They all talk about the same thing-- the Cubs, their children/babies, and whatever craft beer they're drinking at the time.
It's like being trapped in a room with an even more insufferable PenFoe.
For what it's worth, I'm cool with both Brett and Arguello. They're fine sources of information and that's really what I "use" them for. I have other places to go for humor and I don't care if they're trying too hard or whatever the current bitch session is. I don't stop reading CNN because I don't like their sense of humor, I stop reading because the news is old or irrelevant.
As long as those guys are churning out news and perspective on the Cubs without getting butthurt every article, they're fine by me.
Also, I don't give two shits whether they follow me on Twitter or not. It's not like my Twitter (or any of ours) are vital sources of information, outside of maybe Slak's soccer one that I don't understand.
They're just guys working hard to put out news and information about the Cubs and doing so in a way that is decidedly not Al-like.
They're good by me.
Great. You're a real fucking humanitarian.
I reserve the right to change my mind at any time.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/921/3509843336.jpg)
On top of his incessant need to be liked by everyone, that dude is a pretty huge pollyanna. I guess those two things might be related.
Quote from: Eli on November 17, 2014, 02:07:37 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 17, 2014, 01:58:31 PM
Quote from: SKO on November 17, 2014, 11:02:04 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 17, 2014, 10:54:06 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 11:45:54 AM
Quote from: R-V on November 14, 2014, 11:44:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 14, 2014, 09:45:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 14, 2014, 09:39:04 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on November 14, 2014, 09:35:27 AM
Comedy is hard. (https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/533254717137489920) Believe me I know.
Perhaps this should go into the "I Admit It" thread but like 95% of the guys who do Cubs Twitter grate on me for some indefinable reason. I know that's a really shocking admission coming from a perpetually angry, drunken potato head but I thought I'd put it out there nonetheless.
I really like Arguello, and Sahadev is fine but the rest of those guys annoy me for some reason.
I get Arguello and Loxas mixed up, but I just think of them both as guys who pretend to have sources and probably don't.
And if anyone ever reeked of effort, it's Brett from Bleacher Nation.
I think this is commonly referred to as "the Dan Bernstein."
I sincerely admire and appreciate the work ethic that has to go into Bleacher Nation - it's hands down the best source for keeping up to date on all things Cub - but yeah it's too bad that product couldn't be churned out by someone who also has a good sense of humor.
None of them have a sense of humor. They all talk about the same thing-- the Cubs, their children/babies, and whatever craft beer they're drinking at the time.
It's like being trapped in a room with an even more insufferable PenFoe.
For what it's worth, I'm cool with both Brett and Arguello. They're fine sources of information and that's really what I "use" them for. I have other places to go for humor and I don't care if they're trying too hard or whatever the current bitch session is. I don't stop reading CNN because I don't like their sense of humor, I stop reading because the news is old or irrelevant.
As long as those guys are churning out news and perspective on the Cubs without getting butthurt every article, they're fine by me.
Also, I don't give two shits whether they follow me on Twitter or not. It's not like my Twitter (or any of ours) are vital sources of information, outside of maybe Slak's soccer one that I don't understand.
They're just guys working hard to put out news and information about the Cubs and doing so in a way that is decidedly not Al-like.
They're good by me.
Great. You're a real fucking humanitarian.
I reserve the right to change my mind at any time.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/921/3509843336.jpg)
On top of his incessant need to be liked by everyone, that dude is a pretty huge pollyanna. I guess those two things might be related.
He started at BCB. The Pollyana hasn't completely fallen off. The snippiness and the instant butthurt has.
Baseball America's Cubs Top 10:
OP 10 PROSPECTS
1. Kris Bryant, 3b
2. Addison Russell, ss
3. Jorge Soler, of
4. Kyle Schwarber, c/of
5. C.J. Edwards, rhp
6. Billy McKinney, of
7. Albert Almora, of
8. Gleyber Torres, ss
9. Pierce Johnson, rhp
10. Duane Underwood, rhp
Quote from: Oleg on January 05, 2015, 11:26:28 AM
Baseball America's Cubs Top 10:
OP 10 PROSPECTS
1. Kris Bryant, 3b
2. Addison Russell, ss
3. Jorge Soler, of
4. Kyle Schwarber, c/of
5. C.J. Edwards, rhp
6. Billy McKinney, of
7. Albert Almora, of
8. Gleyber Torres, ss
9. Pierce Johnson, rhp
10. Duane Underwood, rhp
I don't really care to quibble about who made the list or who is placed where because it's all so awesome.
Jen-Ho Tseng not even in the top 10 is amazing.
Never mind that Baez, Hendricks and Alcantara aren't even on the list.
This team is so fucking great.
Eloy, Sands, Steele, Cease, Zagunis, Caratini...Jesus.
Quote from: PenFoe on January 05, 2015, 11:29:31 AM
Quote from: Oleg on January 05, 2015, 11:26:28 AM
Baseball America's Cubs Top 10:
OP 10 PROSPECTS
1. Kris Bryant, 3b
2. Addison Russell, ss
3. Jorge Soler, of
4. Kyle Schwarber, c/of
5. C.J. Edwards, rhp
6. Billy McKinney, of
7. Albert Almora, of
8. Gleyber Torres, ss
9. Pierce Johnson, rhp
10. Duane Underwood, rhp
I don't really care to quibble about who made the list or who is placed where because it's all so awesome.
Jen-Ho Tseng not even in the top 10 is amazing.
Never mind that Baez, Hendricks and Alcantara aren't even on the list.
This team is so fucking great.
Eloy, Sands, Steele, Cease, Zagunis, Caratini...Jesus.
Your Vogelbach hate is reaching epic levels.
More:
BEST TOOLS
Best Hitter for Average Kyle Schwarber
Best Power Hitter Kris Bryant
Best Strike-Zone Discipline Mark Zagunis
Fastest Baserunner Jacob Hannemann
Best Athlete Matt Szczur
Best Fastball Duane Underwood
Best Curveball C.J. Edwards
Best Slider Jake Stinnett
Best Changeup Jen-Ho Tseng
Best Control Jen-Ho Tseng
Best Defensive Catcher Victor Caratini
Best Defensive Infielder Carlos Penalver
Best Infield Arm Kris Bryant
Best Defensive Outfielder Albert Almora
Best Outfield Arm Jorge Soler
Also, someone named Hayden Simpson was The Cubs' first round pick in 2010. Good, old Hendry.
Quote from: Oleg on January 05, 2015, 11:26:28 AM
Baseball America's Cubs Top 10:
OP 10 PROSPECTS
1. Kris Bryant, 3b
2. Addison Russell, ss
3. Jorge Soler, of
4. Kyle Schwarber, c/of
5. C.J. Edwards, rhp
6. Billy McKinney, of
7. Albert Almora, of
8. Gleyber Torres, ss
9. Pierce Johnson, rhp
10. Duane Underwood, rhp
FYE, right?
Quote from: Eli on January 05, 2015, 11:38:30 AM
Quote from: Oleg on January 05, 2015, 11:26:28 AM
Baseball America's Cubs Top 10:
OP 10 PROSPECTS
1. Kris Bryant, 3b
2. Addison Russell, ss
3. Jorge Soler, of
4. Kyle Schwarber, c/of
5. C.J. Edwards, rhp
6. Billy McKinney, of
7. Albert Almora, of
8. Gleyber Torres, ss
9. Pierce Johnson, rhp
10. Duane Underwood, rhp
FYE, right?
Meh.
2018 LINEUP
Catcher Kyle Schwarber
First Base Anthony Rizzo
Second Base Starlin Castro
Third Base Javier Baez
Shortstop Addison Russell
Left Field Kris Bryant
Center Field Billy McKinney
Right Field Jorge Soler
No. 1 Starter Jon Lester
No. 2 Starter Jake Arrieta
No. 3 Starter C.J. Edwards
No. 4 Starter Kyle Hendricks
No. 5 Starter Duane Underwood
Closer Corey Black
Quote from: Oleg on January 05, 2015, 11:40:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 05, 2015, 11:38:30 AM
Quote from: Oleg on January 05, 2015, 11:26:28 AM
Baseball America's Cubs Top 10:
OP 10 PROSPECTS
1. Kris Bryant, 3b
2. Addison Russell, ss
3. Jorge Soler, of
4. Kyle Schwarber, c/of
5. C.J. Edwards, rhp
6. Billy McKinney, of
7. Albert Almora, of
8. Gleyber Torres, ss
9. Pierce Johnson, rhp
10. Duane Underwood, rhp
FYE, right?
Meh.
2018 LINEUP
Catcher Kyle Schwarber Johnny Bench
First Base Anthony Rizzo Ted Williams
Second Base Starlin Castro Pete Rose
Third Base Javier Baez Gary Sheffield
Shortstop Addison Russell Barry Larkin
Left Field Kris Bryant Troy Glaus Mike Schmidt
Center Field Billy McKinney Joe DiMaggio
Right Field Jorge Soler Vladimir Guerrero
No. 1 Starter Jon Lester
No. 2 Starter Jake Arrieta
No. 3 Starter C.J. Edwards Pedro Martinez
No. 4 Starter Kyle Hendricks Greg Maddux
No. 5 Starter Duane Underwood Dave Stewart
Closer Corey Black Trevor Hoffman
Never mind that you didn't even find room for Gleybar on that list.
Quote from: PenFoe on January 05, 2015, 11:49:43 AM
Quote from: Oleg on January 05, 2015, 11:40:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 05, 2015, 11:38:30 AM
Quote from: Oleg on January 05, 2015, 11:26:28 AM
Baseball America's Cubs Top 10:
OP 10 PROSPECTS
1. Kris Bryant, 3b
2. Addison Russell, ss
3. Jorge Soler, of
4. Kyle Schwarber, c/of
5. C.J. Edwards, rhp
6. Billy McKinney, of
7. Albert Almora, of
8. Gleyber Torres, ss
9. Pierce Johnson, rhp
10. Duane Underwood, rhp
FYE, right?
Meh.
2018 LINEUP
Catcher Kyle Schwarber Johnny Bench
First Base Anthony Rizzo Ted Williams
Second Base Starlin Castro Pete Rose
Third Base Javier Baez Gary Sheffield
Shortstop Addison Russell Barry Larkin
Left Field Kris Bryant Troy Glaus Mike Schmidt
Center Field Billy McKinney Joe DiMaggio
Right Field Jorge Soler Vladimir Guerrero
No. 1 Starter Jon Lester
No. 2 Starter Jake Arrieta
No. 3 Starter C.J. Edwards Pedro Martinez
No. 4 Starter Kyle Hendricks Greg Maddux
No. 5 Starter Duane Underwood Dave Stewart
Closer Corey Black Trevor Hoffman
Never mind that you didn't even find room for Gleybar on that list.
That's BA list. And, Gleybar will be 21 in 2018 so he probably won't be ready yet.
Just for some perspective, the guy the Cubs just traded to Seattle, Mike Kickham, who is 26 years old, is now the 19th best prospect in the Mariners' system per MLB.com. (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2014/#list=sea)
So, maybe the Mariners just have an awful farm system, but here's a guy that the Cubs were barely interested in kicking the tires on and probably wouldn't have shown up in the top 40 prospects and he's 19 for the Mariners.
Judging from this weird-ass photo on the Cubs home page, Carrie Muskat must suck at Photoshop.
(http://i58.tinypic.com/dxda1e.png)
Quote from: Oleg on January 05, 2015, 11:33:29 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 05, 2015, 11:29:31 AM
Quote from: Oleg on January 05, 2015, 11:26:28 AM
Baseball America's Cubs Top 10:
OP 10 PROSPECTS
1. Kris Bryant, 3b
2. Addison Russell, ss
3. Jorge Soler, of
4. Kyle Schwarber, c/of
5. C.J. Edwards, rhp
6. Billy McKinney, of
7. Albert Almora, of
8. Gleyber Torres, ss
9. Pierce Johnson, rhp
10. Duane Underwood, rhp
I don't really care to quibble about who made the list or who is placed where because it's all so awesome.
Jen-Ho Tseng not even in the top 10 is amazing.
Never mind that Baez, Hendricks and Alcantara aren't even on the list.
This team is so fucking great.
Eloy, Sands, Steele, Cease, Zagunis, Caratini...Jesus.
Your Vogelbach hate is reaching epic levels.
More:
BEST TOOLS
Best Hitter for Average Kyle Schwarber
Best Power Hitter Kris Bryant
Best Strike-Zone Discipline Mark Zagunis
Fastest Baserunner Jacob Hannemann
Best Athlete Matt Szczur
Best Fastball Duane Underwood
Best Curveball C.J. Edwards
Best Slider Jake Stinnett
Best Changeup Jen-Ho Tseng
Best Control Jen-Ho Tseng
Best Defensive Catcher Victor Caratini
Best Defensive Infielder Carlos Penalver
Best Infield Arm Kris Bryant
Best Defensive Outfielder Albert Almora
Best Outfield Arm Jorge Soler
Also, someone named Hayden Simpson was The Cubs' first round pick in 2010. Good, old Hendry.
Vogelbach the 8th best 1B prospect in all of baseball? (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2015/#list=1b)
Seems tradeable.
Worth noting that they're doing this by position, one a day.
Schwarber was the 3rd best catching prospect in all of baseball yesterday. (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2015/#list=c)
If only these guys could actually play those positions, this would be fantastic.
Quote from: PenFoe on January 23, 2015, 10:58:42 AM
Schwarber was the 3rd best catching prospect in all of baseball yesterday. (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2015/#list=c)
Where does he rank today?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on January 23, 2015, 01:20:27 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 23, 2015, 10:58:42 AM
Schwarber was the 3rd best catching prospect in all of baseball yesterday. (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2015/#list=c)
Where does he rank today?
Now that Geovanny Soto is making his comeback as a non-roster invitee with the White Sox and thus is technically only a prospect, fourth.
Couldn't find a link that didn't involve a paywall, but Keith Law has 4 Cubs in the top 100 prospects - Bryant (1), Russell (4), Soler (14), SKOwarber (90).
Yesterday he anointed the Cubs as the best farm system in baseball.
And they get one more year with a high pick and plenty of dough-per-slot.
Boner.
Quote from: Fork on January 29, 2015, 02:37:02 PM
Couldn't find a link that didn't involve a paywall, but Keith Law has 4 Cubs in the top 100 prospects - Bryant (1), Russell (4), Soler (14), SKOwarber (90).
Yesterday he anointed the Cubs as the best farm system in baseball.
And they get one more year with a high pick and plenty of dough-per-slot.
Boner.
http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/espn-cubs-top-farm-system-major-league-baseball
QuoteESPN prospect Insider Keith Law has ranked the Cubs as the top farm system in Major League Baseball.
This shouldn't come as much of a surprise after the Addison Russell trade.
The July 4 blockbuster deal gave the Cubs two of the surefire Top 10 prospects in the game (Russell and Kris Bryant), with guys like Javier Baez and Arismendy Alcantara graduating off prospect lists upon their respective promotions to the big leagues.
Here is Law's analysis (http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/12211903/chicago-cubs-no-1-farm-system-rankings-2015-mlb?ex_cid=InsiderTwitter_law_2015rankingall30farmsystems):
QuoteTake a moment to recover from your surprise ... The past 12 months have seemed more like a coronation for the Cubs than one for the teams that actually played in the World Series. The hype around their system is justified by the talent in it, with the strongest collection of top-shelf hitting prospects I can remember since I started working in baseball. They have someone coming at just about every position other than catcher and first base, and most of them fare well both in traditional evaluation and in analysis of their performance to date.
The Cubs' draft strategy under the Theo Epstein/Jed Hoyer regime has been to grab a polished hitter in the first round and load up on arms later. That, along with the trade of Jeff Samardzija and Jason Hammel that netted two more top hitting prospects, has produced a system that's full of hitting prospects but still a bit light on the pitching side. The first wave of bats reached the majors in the middle of 2014, with more coming this year, but there won't be enough at-bats for Javier Baez and Jorge Soler and Arismendy Alcantara and Addison Russell and Kyle Schwarber and Starlin Castro and Anthony Rizzo ... and that's not even everyone who might end up pushing for playing time. The Cubs are in prime position to flip a young hitter for a pitcher or even to swing a bigger deal, especially if they want to try to set themselves up to win the NL Central in 2016. There are young starting pitching prospects here to like, led by 20-year-old Duane Underwood, but they're all a few years away.
Law doesn't even mention prospects like Albert Almora, Pierce Johnson or C.J. Edwards (though he does discuss the lack of high-profile pitching prospects in the system), let alone young guys like Gleyber Torres, Eloy Jimenez and Jen-Ho Tseng at the lower levels.
The Minnesota Twins were second, Houston Astros third, New York Mets fourth and Boston Red Sox fifth on Law's rankings.
Among other NL Central foes, the Pittsburgh Pirates are seventh, St. Louis Cardinals 13th, Cincinnati Reds 17th and Milwaukee Brewers 28th.
The White Sox came in at No. 12 (http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/espns-keith-law-ranks-white-sox-farm-system-number-12).
Via Morphbook, Arguello summarizes Law...
http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/2015/01/keith-law-ranks-4-cubs-in-top-100-3-in-top-14-plus-some-of-my-own-thoughts-on-schwarber-as-a-catcher/
QuoteKris Bryant is the number one prospect and while some here have criticized Law for being inflexible, he has come around a great deal on the slugging 3B. His doubts centered around Bryant's lack of elite bat speed but now feels he makes up for it with his good eye and short swing. Law projects big OBP and HR numbers and that Bryant should be an MVP candidate.
Personally, I've seen seen Bryant turn around 97 mph fastballs in Iowa, so I really have no doubts about his ability to hit any one's velocity at this point.
As for defense, like the people we've spoken to, Law tbinks he'll be fine at 3B but may be even better in the OF.
Addison Russell is at #4 with Law calling him a true SS, downplaying his lack of speed because he compensates with good footwork and good hands. He also believes he has one of the better hit tools in the minor leagues, capable of being a .300 hitter with double digit HRs.
To his credit, Law has never wavered very much on Jorge Soler, He has been a big fan from day one, effusive about his quick hands and "beautiful" rotational swing. He should generate middle of the order power with a solid OBP. Defensively he needs some work but the tools are there, most notably his strong arm.
Last on the list is Kyle Schwarber, who sneaks in at #90, primarily because Law believes he has little chance to stick at catcher but now seems to feel that LF is likely. Schwarber should combine great plate discipline with a plus hit tool and plus power.
My take on Schwarber's ability to catch is different. For one, Schwarber has very little experience and had inadequate coaching as an amateur. Given his strong makeup and work ethic, we know he will work hard to be an adequate receiver and thrower, with his good pop times already looking like they can compensate for what appears to be average arm strength.
But that is only half the story. I believe the parameters for what teams look for in a catcher is evolving. Where once a catcher with Welington Castillo's ability to block pitches combined with a strong arm to control the running games, what is often referred to as "catch and throw" type catchers was the standard defensively, the ideal catcher now seems to center more around framing, pitch-calling, and the ability to handle a pitching staff. Schwarber has the strong personality to lead a staff and the aptitude to learn framing and pitch-calling, both of which are teachable skills. My feeling is if he can at least be an adequate receiver and thrower, he can make up for it with his bat and the other skills mentioned here.
Quotes...
http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/prospect-rankings-espns-keith-law-thinks-kris-bryant-no-1
QuoteKris Bryant
Everyone is aware of Bryant by now, after his pro baseball-leading 43 home runs and a .325/.438/.661 line across two levels in his first full year in the minors. Bryant is the best prospect in baseball for 2015, a true middle-of-the-order bat who should be in the Cubs' Opening Day lineup for the next six-plus seasons.
Bryant was drafted late out of high school despite showing first-round abilities, matured quickly once he began playing at the University of San Diego and landed as the No. 2 pick in the 2013 draft. After he tore through the low levels of the minors that summer, the Cubs pushed him to Double-A to start the 2014 season and he proceeded to demolish the level in half a season before a promotion to Triple-A that saw him nearly repeat the performance against older competition.
Bryant's swing is very balanced, with a wide setup and good use of his lower half to generate power. While there were concerns when he was an amateur that his bat speed might not catch up to major league velocity, he really has had no problem with better stuff in the pros, probably because his eye is so good and his swing is very short from load to contact. He's a good enough athlete to be able to handle third base, although he'd probably be better defensively in right field with his plus arm and fewer quick-reaction plays to challenge him. Wherever he ends up, he has 30-homer, .400 OBP potential, and should challenge for MVP awards once he has a few years in the majors.
Addison Russell
His performance left behind in much of the publicity around more famous Cubs prospects, Russell continued to rake in 2014 once he recovered from an early-season hamstring tear, and he kept right on producing after he was the big piece going to Chicago in the Jeff Samardzija trade.
Russell is a true shortstop with one of the best pure hit tools in the minors, both of which are a function of his outstanding hands, which are strong enough to produce hard contact yet smooth enough that he makes difficult plays look easy at short, whether it's a tough ground ball or a quick transfer on a 4-6-3 double-play turn. His swing did get a little longer in 2014, producing more power but also more ground ball contact, as he would get on top of balls he didn't square up. Russell always will face questions about his position because he's not a runner, but his footwork is more than adequate, and he has the hands and arm to be above-average there. Shortstops with the potential to hit .300-plus with double-digit homers are rare commodities -- Troy Tulowitzki was the only major leaguer to do it in 2014 -- which makes Russell's skill set extremely valuable.
Continued...
QuoteJorge Soler
After a year and a half of good performance interrupted by numerous injuries that left him struggling to stay on the field, Soler reached the majors at the end of August and set expectations at an impossible level at least initially, going 10 for his first 19 with three bombs across five games. He scuffled the rest of the way as pitchers took advantage of his overaggressive approach, but the explosive bat speed and plus-plus raw power will still be enough to make him a star.
Soler has gotten much stronger since he first signed a nine-year, $30 million contract with the Cubs in 2012, retaining much of his athleticism but losing some running speed as he bulked up. He always had enormous power thanks to very rapid hand acceleration and a beautiful, rotational swing with long extension through contact. He has a right fielder's arm and the ability to be an average or better defender there, but for now his routes are a bit suspect and he'll need more work out there to avoid being the new Domonic Brown. Soler wasn't patient in the majors, but he had been so in the minors, and I expect that skill to return as he gains experience in the majors and stops trying to recreate what he did in those first five games. He projects as a 25-30 homer guy who hits .270-280 with a solid OBP and, we hope, average defense, which would make him maybe the Cubs' third- or fourth-best hitter in their suddenly loaded lineup.
Kyle Schwarber
Schwarber was the fourth overall pick in the 2014 draft as a power-hitting catcher from Indiana University, then went and destroyed three different leagues after signing, ending the year in high-A just a few months out of college. Schwarber has very little chance to catch in the majors, as he's a poor receiver and very muscular for the position, but his bat should make him a regular at another position -- possibly first base, but most likely left field.
He's got a chance to end up with a plus hit tool and plus power, showing much better plate discipline this summer than he did as an amateur, although his front side can get soft and he can be vulnerable to soft stuff away because his typical swing is so hard. If he hits .280 or so with a strong OBP and 25 to 30 homers, he'll be a good everyday player even if he ends up a bad left fielder, and the Cubs certainly believe he has a chance to exceed even those marks.
This season can go ahead and start now.
Quote from: SKO on January 30, 2015, 09:36:42 AM
This season can go ahead and start now.
Megadittoes, Rush.
Quote from: Bort on January 30, 2015, 09:41:26 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 30, 2015, 09:36:42 AM
The tenth game ofthis season can go ahead and start now.
Megadittoes, Rush.
Bryant'd but absolutely agree. "Potential MVP candidate" makes me tingly
I find it interesting that most (if not all) of the major national pundits totally ignore Bryant's K and contact rates. Maybe they think he'll overcome it, but it's weird that something fairly important usually goes unmentioned.
EDIT: I tweeted at Law about this and he replied with two words ("way overblown"), which really clears things up.
Quote from: Eli on January 30, 2015, 10:20:36 AM
I find it interesting that most (if not all) of the major national pundits totally ignore Bryant's K and contact rates. Maybe they think he'll overcome it, but it's weird that something fairly important usually goes unmentioned.
EDIT: I tweeted at Law about this and he replied with two words ("way overblown"), which really clears things up.
INTREPID READER KEITH LAW: tired of your pessimistic bullshit, Eli.
Quote from: SKO on January 30, 2015, 10:25:55 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 30, 2015, 10:20:36 AM
I find it interesting that most (if not all) of the major national pundits totally ignore Bryant's K and contact rates. Maybe they think he'll overcome it, but it's weird that something fairly important usually goes unmentioned.
EDIT: I tweeted at Law about this and he replied with two words ("way overblown"), which really clears things up.
INTREPID READER KEITH LAW: tired of your pessimistic bullshit, Eli.
Hey, I thought your whole thing was going to be pessimism from now on? I passed that torch to you like 4 months ago.
Quote from: Eli on January 30, 2015, 10:42:03 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 30, 2015, 10:25:55 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 30, 2015, 10:20:36 AM
I find it interesting that most (if not all) of the major national pundits totally ignore Bryant's K and contact rates. Maybe they think he'll overcome it, but it's weird that something fairly important usually goes unmentioned.
EDIT: I tweeted at Law about this and he replied with two words ("way overblown"), which really clears things up.
INTREPID READER KEITH LAW: tired of your pessimistic bullshit, Eli.
Hey, I thought your whole thing was going to be pessimism from now on? I passed that torch to you like 4 months ago.
That was a contingency plan when I thought Lester was going to be a Giant. Still down on the Bears though, if that helps.
Quote from: SKO on January 30, 2015, 10:44:05 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 30, 2015, 10:42:03 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 30, 2015, 10:25:55 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 30, 2015, 10:20:36 AM
I find it interesting that most (if not all) of the major national pundits totally ignore Bryant's K and contact rates. Maybe they think he'll overcome it, but it's weird that something fairly important usually goes unmentioned.
EDIT: I tweeted at Law about this and he replied with two words ("way overblown"), which really clears things up.
INTREPID READER KEITH LAW: tired of your pessimistic bullshit, Eli.
Hey, I thought your whole thing was going to be pessimism from now on? I passed that torch to you like 4 months ago.
That was a contingency plan when I thought Lester was going to be a Giant. Still down on the Bears though, if that helps.
<---see, positive guy
Law's full top 10 for the Cubs is out. (http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/espn-releases-top-10-cubs-prospects-2015)
1. Kris Bryant
2. Addison Russell
3. Jorge Soler
4. Kyle Schwarber
5. Gleybar Torres (!!)
6. Billy McKinney
7. Albert Almora
8. Duane Underwood
9. C.J. Edwards
10. Jen-Ho Tseng
Pretty nice to see 3 pitches on the list, especially when Pierce Johnson isn't one of them.
Crazy to see Gleybar that high.
Quote from: PenFoe on January 30, 2015, 11:14:20 AM
Law's full top 10 for the Cubs is out. (http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/espn-releases-top-10-cubs-prospects-2015)
1. Kris Bryant
2. Addison Russell
3. Jorge Soler
4. Kyle Schwarber
5. Gleybar Torres (!!)
6. Billy McKinney
7. Albert Almora
8. Duane Underwood
9. C.J. Edwards
10. Jen-Ho Tseng
Pretty nice to see 3 pitches on the list, especially when Pierce Johnson isn't one of them.
Crazy to see Gleybar that high.
I always forget about Billy McKinney. Seems like he actually has a future. Why, he may even be the Matt Murton of this trade.
Law's full top 10 for the Cubs is out. (http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/espn-releases-top-10-cubs-prospects-2015)
1. Kris Bryant
2. Addison Russell
3. Jorge Soler
4. Kyle Schwarber
5. Gleybar Torres (!!)
6. Billy McKinney
7. Albert Almora
8. Duane Underwood
9. C.J. Edwards
10. Jen-Ho Tseng
Pretty nice to see 3 pitches on the list, especially when Pierce Johnson isn't one of them.
Crazy to see Gleybar that high.
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Man, with the top 4 moving up this year, they're going to have no one left after this year in the minors. WHERE ARE DA WAVES OF TALENT EPSTINK?!
DOOM!
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 30, 2015, 11:55:57 AM
Law's full top 10 for the Cubs is out. (http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/espn-releases-top-10-cubs-prospects-2015)
1. Kris Bryant
2. Addison Russell
3. Jorge Soler
4. Kyle Schwarber
5. Gleybar Torres (!!)
6. Billy McKinney
7. Albert Almora
8. Duane Underwood
9. C.J. Edwards
10. Jen-Ho Tseng
Pretty nice to see 3 pitches on the list, especially when Pierce Johnson isn't one of them.
Crazy to see Gleybar that high.
Man, with the top 4 moving up this year, they're going to have no one left after this year in the minors. WHERE ARE DA WAVES OF TALENT EPSTINK?!
DOOM!
[/quote]
Quality PANKquote.
Quote from: SKO on January 30, 2015, 11:41:27 AM
I always forget about Billy McKinney. Seems like he actually has a future. Why, he may even be the Matt Murton of this trade.
I like McKinney because his name sounds like a player in an old-timey baseball movie, so he'll probably be pretty good.
Quote from: Eli on January 30, 2015, 12:41:53 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 30, 2015, 11:41:27 AM
I always forget about Billy McKinney. Seems like he actually has a future. Why, he may even be the Matt Murton of this trade.
I like McKinney because his name sounds like a player in an old-timey baseball movie, so he'll probably be pretty good.
Also because he's Matt Murton.
Murton at A+: .292/.364/.437 with 13 homers in 126 games
McKinney A+: .264/.354/.412 with 11 homers in 126 games
Quote from: SKO on January 30, 2015, 01:05:30 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 30, 2015, 12:41:53 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 30, 2015, 11:41:27 AM
I always forget about Billy McKinney. Seems like he actually has a future. Why, he may even be the Matt Murton of this trade.
I like McKinney because his name sounds like a player in an old-timey baseball movie, so he'll probably be pretty good.
Also because he's Matt Murton.
Murton at A+: .292/.364/.437 with 13 homers in 126 games
McKinney A+: .264/.354/.412 with 11 homers in 126 games
Fuck him. He sucks.
Quote from: SKO on January 30, 2015, 01:05:30 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 30, 2015, 12:41:53 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 30, 2015, 11:41:27 AM
I always forget about Billy McKinney. Seems like he actually has a future. Why, he may even be the Matt Murton of this trade.
I like McKinney because his name sounds like a player in an old-timey baseball movie, so he'll probably be pretty good.
Also because he's Matt Murton.
Murton at A+: .292/.364/.437 with 13 homers in 126 games
McKinney A+: .264/.354/.412 with 11 homers in 126 games
.264 is a lot smaller than .292.
Quote from: ChuckD on January 30, 2015, 02:19:15 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 30, 2015, 01:05:30 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 30, 2015, 12:41:53 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 30, 2015, 11:41:27 AM
I always forget about Billy McKinney. Seems like he actually has a future. Why, he may even be the Matt Murton of this trade.
I like McKinney because his name sounds like a player in an old-timey baseball movie, so he'll probably be pretty good.
Also because he's Matt Murton.
Murton at A+: .292/.364/.437 with 13 homers in 126 games
McKinney A+: .264/.354/.412 with 11 homers in 126 games
.264 is a lot smaller than .292.
Check out the big brain on Brett!
Quote from: SKO on January 30, 2015, 01:05:30 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 30, 2015, 12:41:53 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 30, 2015, 11:41:27 AM
I always forget about Billy McKinney. Seems like he actually has a future. Why, he may even be the Matt Murton of this trade.
I like McKinney because his name sounds like a player in an old-timey baseball movie, so he'll probably be pretty good.
Also because he's Matt Murton.
Murton at A+: Age: 22 .292/.364/.437 with 13 homers in 126 games
McKinney A+: Age 19 .264/.354/.412 with 11 homers in 126 games
Not-that-you're-being-serious-but-still'd
Quote from: Eli on January 30, 2015, 02:37:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 30, 2015, 01:05:30 PM
Quote from: Eli on January 30, 2015, 12:41:53 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 30, 2015, 11:41:27 AM
I always forget about Billy McKinney. Seems like he actually has a future. Why, he may even be the Matt Murton of this trade.
I like McKinney because his name sounds like a player in an old-timey baseball movie, so he'll probably be pretty good.
Also because he's Matt Murton.
Murton at A+: Age: 22 .292/.364/.437 with 13 homers in 126 games
McKinney A+: Age 19 .264/.354/.412 with 11 homers in 126 games
Not-that-you're-being-serious-but-still'd
I'm not being serious at all and am aware McKinley is a much more highly regarded prospect but I also think there are worse things than McKinney possibly having 2006 Murton's bat and not being an absolute butcher in the field if that scenario actually did come to pass, given how much has changed since 2006 as far as what qualifies as good offense from a corner OF spot.
Can't wait for Torres to make it so we can say Wrigley Field is the world's biggest Gleybar.
Quote from: Slaky on January 30, 2015, 03:30:37 PM
Can't wait for Torres to make it so we can say Wrigley Field is the world's biggest Gleybar.
I put the odds of Gleybar ever appearing in a Cubs uniform in the majors at very slim, but your joke amused me.
Someone make me feel better about this:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/kris-bryants-one-offensive-question-mark/
Eli, don't read it.
QuoteIn Triple-A, Bryant also batted just shy of 300 times. He posted a contact rate a hair under 65%, according to the same site. Among players for whom we have data, this was the fourth-lowest contact rate at the level. Somewhat incredibly, fewer than two percentage points separated Bryant and Javier Baez. Fewer than two percentage points separated Bryant and Brett Jackson.
QuoteBryant's Triple-A contact rate ranks 25th-lowest since 2008.
What do we do?
EDIT: Oh.
QuoteIt helps tremendously that Bryant is powerful to all fields. It helps that, even though he hits a ton of fly balls, he only very seldom pops the ball up. Bryant makes a poor amount of contact, but with great and borderline unparalleled quality of contact, and this is the same conversation we've had about Springer. Yet given Bryant's age, it's possible he won't keep whiffing. Though it's unusual to go from being a swing-and-miss hitter to being a contact hitter, Bryant doesn't necessarily have to whiff as much as Chris Davis. This is the fun comp: as a rookie in his early 20s, Mike Schmidt struck out 31% of the time. The rest of his career, he struck out just 18% of the time. Aramis Ramirez figured contact out, although he was terribly rushed.
Quote from: InternetApex on February 06, 2015, 01:56:42 PM
Someone make me feel better about this:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/kris-bryants-one-offensive-question-mark/
Eli, don't read it.
QuoteIn Triple-A, Bryant also batted just shy of 300 times. He posted a contact rate a hair under 65%, according to the same site. Among players for whom we have data, this was the fourth-lowest contact rate at the level. Somewhat incredibly, fewer than two percentage points separated Bryant and Javier Baez. Fewer than two percentage points separated Bryant and Brett Jackson.
QuoteBryant's Triple-A contact rate ranks 25th-lowest since 2008.
What do we do?
EDIT: Oh.
QuoteIt helps tremendously that Bryant is powerful to all fields. It helps that, even though he hits a ton of fly balls, he only very seldom pops the ball up. Bryant makes a poor amount of contact, but with great and borderline unparalleled quality of contact, and this is the same conversation we've had about Springer. Yet given Bryant's age, it's possible he won't keep whiffing. Though it's unusual to go from being a swing-and-miss hitter to being a contact hitter, Bryant doesn't necessarily have to whiff as much as Chris Davis. This is the fun comp: as a rookie in his early 20s, Mike Schmidt struck out 31% of the time. The rest of his career, he struck out just 18% of the time. Aramis Ramirez figured contact out, although he was terribly rushed.
Look, Kris Bryant is going to win 2-3 MVPs and make the Hall of Fame.
He'll probably end up with a career WAR of about 90.
I'm not sure why we have to keep talking about this.
Quote from: PenFoe on February 06, 2015, 02:06:15 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on February 06, 2015, 01:56:42 PM
Someone make me feel better about this:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/kris-bryants-one-offensive-question-mark/
Eli, don't read it.
QuoteIn Triple-A, Bryant also batted just shy of 300 times. He posted a contact rate a hair under 65%, according to the same site. Among players for whom we have data, this was the fourth-lowest contact rate at the level. Somewhat incredibly, fewer than two percentage points separated Bryant and Javier Baez. Fewer than two percentage points separated Bryant and Brett Jackson.
QuoteBryant's Triple-A contact rate ranks 25th-lowest since 2008.
What do we do?
EDIT: Oh.
QuoteIt helps tremendously that Bryant is powerful to all fields. It helps that, even though he hits a ton of fly balls, he only very seldom pops the ball up. Bryant makes a poor amount of contact, but with great and borderline unparalleled quality of contact, and this is the same conversation we've had about Springer. Yet given Bryant's age, it's possible he won't keep whiffing. Though it's unusual to go from being a swing-and-miss hitter to being a contact hitter, Bryant doesn't necessarily have to whiff as much as Chris Davis. This is the fun comp: as a rookie in his early 20s, Mike Schmidt struck out 31% of the time. The rest of his career, he struck out just 18% of the time. Aramis Ramirez figured contact out, although he was terribly rushed.
Look, Kris Bryant is going to win 2-3 MVPs and make the Hall of Fame.
He'll probably end up with a career WAR of about 90.
I'm not sure why we have to keep talking about this.
(http://i.imgur.com/sDxTBOL.png)
Quote from: InternetApex on February 06, 2015, 01:56:42 PM
Someone make me feel better about this:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/kris-bryants-one-offensive-question-mark/
Eli, don't read it.
QuoteIn Triple-A, Bryant also batted just shy of 300 times. He posted a contact rate a hair under 65%, according to the same site. Among players for whom we have data, this was the fourth-lowest contact rate at the level. Somewhat incredibly, fewer than two percentage points separated Bryant and Javier Baez. Fewer than two percentage points separated Bryant and Brett Jackson.
QuoteBryant's Triple-A contact rate ranks 25th-lowest since 2008.
What do we do?
EDIT: Oh.
QuoteIt helps tremendously that Bryant is powerful to all fields. It helps that, even though he hits a ton of fly balls, he only very seldom pops the ball up. Bryant makes a poor amount of contact, but with great and borderline unparalleled quality of contact, and this is the same conversation we've had about Springer. Yet given Bryant's age, it's possible he won't keep whiffing. Though it's unusual to go from being a swing-and-miss hitter to being a contact hitter, Bryant doesn't necessarily have to whiff as much as Chris Davis. This is the fun comp: as a rookie in his early 20s, Mike Schmidt struck out 31% of the time. The rest of his career, he struck out just 18% of the time. Aramis Ramirez figured contact out, although he was terribly rushed.
Well they mention Jim Thome as a dude who did kinda the same thing and turned out to be really, really good. Also guys could, like, improve and stuff. I hear tell that's happened once or twice.
Quote from: SKO on February 06, 2015, 03:05:20 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on February 06, 2015, 01:56:42 PM
Someone make me feel better about this:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/kris-bryants-one-offensive-question-mark/
Eli, don't read it.
QuoteIn Triple-A, Bryant also batted just shy of 300 times. He posted a contact rate a hair under 65%, according to the same site. Among players for whom we have data, this was the fourth-lowest contact rate at the level. Somewhat incredibly, fewer than two percentage points separated Bryant and Javier Baez. Fewer than two percentage points separated Bryant and Brett Jackson.
QuoteBryant's Triple-A contact rate ranks 25th-lowest since 2008.
What do we do?
EDIT: Oh.
QuoteIt helps tremendously that Bryant is powerful to all fields. It helps that, even though he hits a ton of fly balls, he only very seldom pops the ball up. Bryant makes a poor amount of contact, but with great and borderline unparalleled quality of contact, and this is the same conversation we've had about Springer. Yet given Bryant's age, it's possible he won't keep whiffing. Though it's unusual to go from being a swing-and-miss hitter to being a contact hitter, Bryant doesn't necessarily have to whiff as much as Chris Davis. This is the fun comp: as a rookie in his early 20s, Mike Schmidt struck out 31% of the time. The rest of his career, he struck out just 18% of the time. Aramis Ramirez figured contact out, although he was terribly rushed.
Well they mention Jim Thome as a dude who did kinda the same thing and turned out to be really, really good. Also guys could, like, improve and stuff. I hear tell that's happened once or twice.
Every fan's favorite coping mechanism: Toss aside the thousands of guys who followed the most obvious, predictable path in favor of a handful of outliers.
But really, it's just too early to know. I'd be really surprised if Bryant is a
bad player in the majors, but the contact issue is what'll determine if he's more Mark Reynolds or Mike Schmidt. As for now, I'm sticking with my Troy Glaus comp and that's a good thing and screw you, Pen.
Quote from: Eli on February 06, 2015, 03:20:03 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 06, 2015, 03:05:20 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on February 06, 2015, 01:56:42 PM
Someone make me feel better about this:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/kris-bryants-one-offensive-question-mark/
Eli, don't read it.
QuoteIn Triple-A, Bryant also batted just shy of 300 times. He posted a contact rate a hair under 65%, according to the same site. Among players for whom we have data, this was the fourth-lowest contact rate at the level. Somewhat incredibly, fewer than two percentage points separated Bryant and Javier Baez. Fewer than two percentage points separated Bryant and Brett Jackson.
QuoteBryant's Triple-A contact rate ranks 25th-lowest since 2008.
What do we do?
EDIT: Oh.
QuoteIt helps tremendously that Bryant is powerful to all fields. It helps that, even though he hits a ton of fly balls, he only very seldom pops the ball up. Bryant makes a poor amount of contact, but with great and borderline unparalleled quality of contact, and this is the same conversation we've had about Springer. Yet given Bryant's age, it's possible he won't keep whiffing. Though it's unusual to go from being a swing-and-miss hitter to being a contact hitter, Bryant doesn't necessarily have to whiff as much as Chris Davis. This is the fun comp: as a rookie in his early 20s, Mike Schmidt struck out 31% of the time. The rest of his career, he struck out just 18% of the time. Aramis Ramirez figured contact out, although he was terribly rushed.
Well they mention Jim Thome as a dude who did kinda the same thing and turned out to be really, really good. Also guys could, like, improve and stuff. I hear tell that's happened once or twice.
Every fan's favorite coping mechanism: Toss aside the thousands of guys who followed the most obvious, predictable path in favor of a handful of outliers.
But really, it's just too early to know. I'd be really surprised if Bryant is a bad player in the majors, but the contact issue is what'll determine if he's more Mark Reynolds or Mike Schmidt. As for now, I'm sticking with my Troy Glaus comp and that's a good thing and screw you, Pen.
Peck asked for someone to make him feel better, not to make a projection based on a bunch of baseball players who didn't put up any of the good numbers Kris did in addition to their shitty contact rates.
Reynolds had a 9.6% walk rate in the minors. Bryant's at 13.3%.
It's entirely possible Bryant is a completely unique prospect. Not too many guys that have contact issues like him also seem to have really good plate discipline, so it's pretty hard to make a projection for a guy who seems to be kind of an entity unto himself.
Quote from: Eli on February 06, 2015, 03:20:03 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 06, 2015, 03:05:20 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on February 06, 2015, 01:56:42 PM
Someone make me feel better about this:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/kris-bryants-one-offensive-question-mark/
Eli, don't read it.
QuoteIn Triple-A, Bryant also batted just shy of 300 times. He posted a contact rate a hair under 65%, according to the same site. Among players for whom we have data, this was the fourth-lowest contact rate at the level. Somewhat incredibly, fewer than two percentage points separated Bryant and Javier Baez. Fewer than two percentage points separated Bryant and Brett Jackson.
QuoteBryant's Triple-A contact rate ranks 25th-lowest since 2008.
What do we do?
EDIT: Oh.
QuoteIt helps tremendously that Bryant is powerful to all fields. It helps that, even though he hits a ton of fly balls, he only very seldom pops the ball up. Bryant makes a poor amount of contact, but with great and borderline unparalleled quality of contact, and this is the same conversation we've had about Springer. Yet given Bryant's age, it's possible he won't keep whiffing. Though it's unusual to go from being a swing-and-miss hitter to being a contact hitter, Bryant doesn't necessarily have to whiff as much as Chris Davis. This is the fun comp: as a rookie in his early 20s, Mike Schmidt struck out 31% of the time. The rest of his career, he struck out just 18% of the time. Aramis Ramirez figured contact out, although he was terribly rushed.
Well they mention Jim Thome as a dude who did kinda the same thing and turned out to be really, really good. Also guys could, like, improve and stuff. I hear tell that's happened once or twice.
Every fan's favorite coping mechanism: Toss aside the thousands of guys who followed the most obvious, predictable path in favor of a handful of outliers.
But really, it's just too early to know. I'd be really surprised if Bryant is a bad player in the majors, but the contact issue is what'll determine if he's more Mark Reynolds or Mike Schmidt. As for now, I'm sticking with my Troy Glaus comp and that's a good thing and screw you, Pen.
DPD but yeah I'm still on the Glaus comp as well. And also the "Penis wrong" thing.
Quote from: SKO on February 06, 2015, 03:28:40 PM
Quote from: Eli on February 06, 2015, 03:20:03 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 06, 2015, 03:05:20 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on February 06, 2015, 01:56:42 PM
Someone make me feel better about this:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/kris-bryants-one-offensive-question-mark/
Eli, don't read it.
QuoteIn Triple-A, Bryant also batted just shy of 300 times. He posted a contact rate a hair under 65%, according to the same site. Among players for whom we have data, this was the fourth-lowest contact rate at the level. Somewhat incredibly, fewer than two percentage points separated Bryant and Javier Baez. Fewer than two percentage points separated Bryant and Brett Jackson.
QuoteBryant's Triple-A contact rate ranks 25th-lowest since 2008.
What do we do?
EDIT: Oh.
QuoteIt helps tremendously that Bryant is powerful to all fields. It helps that, even though he hits a ton of fly balls, he only very seldom pops the ball up. Bryant makes a poor amount of contact, but with great and borderline unparalleled quality of contact, and this is the same conversation we've had about Springer. Yet given Bryant's age, it's possible he won't keep whiffing. Though it's unusual to go from being a swing-and-miss hitter to being a contact hitter, Bryant doesn't necessarily have to whiff as much as Chris Davis. This is the fun comp: as a rookie in his early 20s, Mike Schmidt struck out 31% of the time. The rest of his career, he struck out just 18% of the time. Aramis Ramirez figured contact out, although he was terribly rushed.
Well they mention Jim Thome as a dude who did kinda the same thing and turned out to be really, really good. Also guys could, like, improve and stuff. I hear tell that's happened once or twice.
Every fan's favorite coping mechanism: Toss aside the thousands of guys who followed the most obvious, predictable path in favor of a handful of outliers.
But really, it's just too early to know. I'd be really surprised if Bryant is a bad player in the majors, but the contact issue is what'll determine if he's more Mark Reynolds or Mike Schmidt. As for now, I'm sticking with my Troy Glaus comp and that's a good thing and screw you, Pen.
DPD but yeah I'm still on the Glaus comp as well. And also the "Penis wrong" thing.
I also saw Aramis Ramirez's name tossed off there. Is he actually a comparable? Because post-Pittsburgh Aramis Ramirez was a goddamned monster and I fucking love him.
That is all.
Quote from: CT III on February 06, 2015, 03:31:26 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 06, 2015, 03:28:40 PM
Quote from: Eli on February 06, 2015, 03:20:03 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 06, 2015, 03:05:20 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on February 06, 2015, 01:56:42 PM
Someone make me feel better about this:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/kris-bryants-one-offensive-question-mark/
Eli, don't read it.
QuoteIn Triple-A, Bryant also batted just shy of 300 times. He posted a contact rate a hair under 65%, according to the same site. Among players for whom we have data, this was the fourth-lowest contact rate at the level. Somewhat incredibly, fewer than two percentage points separated Bryant and Javier Baez. Fewer than two percentage points separated Bryant and Brett Jackson.
QuoteBryant's Triple-A contact rate ranks 25th-lowest since 2008.
What do we do?
EDIT: Oh.
QuoteIt helps tremendously that Bryant is powerful to all fields. It helps that, even though he hits a ton of fly balls, he only very seldom pops the ball up. Bryant makes a poor amount of contact, but with great and borderline unparalleled quality of contact, and this is the same conversation we've had about Springer. Yet given Bryant's age, it's possible he won't keep whiffing. Though it's unusual to go from being a swing-and-miss hitter to being a contact hitter, Bryant doesn't necessarily have to whiff as much as Chris Davis. This is the fun comp: as a rookie in his early 20s, Mike Schmidt struck out 31% of the time. The rest of his career, he struck out just 18% of the time. Aramis Ramirez figured contact out, although he was terribly rushed.
Well they mention Jim Thome as a dude who did kinda the same thing and turned out to be really, really good. Also guys could, like, improve and stuff. I hear tell that's happened once or twice.
Every fan's favorite coping mechanism: Toss aside the thousands of guys who followed the most obvious, predictable path in favor of a handful of outliers.
But really, it's just too early to know. I'd be really surprised if Bryant is a bad player in the majors, but the contact issue is what'll determine if he's more Mark Reynolds or Mike Schmidt. As for now, I'm sticking with my Troy Glaus comp and that's a good thing and screw you, Pen.
DPD but yeah I'm still on the Glaus comp as well. And also the "Penis wrong" thing.
I also saw Aramis Ramirez's name tossed off there. Is he actually a comparable? Because post-Pittsburgh Aramis Ramirez was a goddamned monster and I fucking love him.
That is all.
They're both third baseman who have/will hit a bunch of dramatic dongblasts for the Cubs SO HELL YEAH THEY'RE COMPARABLE BROTHER
Quote from: CT III on February 06, 2015, 03:31:26 PM
I also saw Aramis Ramirez's name tossed off there. Is he actually a comparable? Because post-Pittsburgh Aramis Ramirez was a goddamned monster and I fucking love him.
It could work, maybe. Lower BA but likely more walks.
Of course Ramirez's prime numbers (2004-2008) in Today's Offensive Environment are basically MVP-worthy.
Quote from: Eli on February 06, 2015, 03:37:30 PM
Quote from: CT III on February 06, 2015, 03:31:26 PM
I also saw Aramis Ramirez's name tossed off there. Is he actually a comparable? Because post-Pittsburgh Aramis Ramirez was a goddamned monster and I fucking love him.
It could work, maybe. Lower BA but likely more walks.
Of course Ramirez's prime numbers (2004-2008) in Today's Offensive Environment are basically MVP-worthy.
Bryant also seems like he has more raw power than Aramis. I suspect they might be similarly "gifted" at 3B though.
Quote from: SKO on February 06, 2015, 03:40:12 PM
Quote from: Eli on February 06, 2015, 03:37:30 PM
Quote from: CT III on February 06, 2015, 03:31:26 PM
I also saw Aramis Ramirez's name tossed off there. Is he actually a comparable? Because post-Pittsburgh Aramis Ramirez was a goddamned monster and I fucking love him.
It could work, maybe. Lower BA but likely more walks.
Of course Ramirez's prime numbers (2004-2008) in Today's Offensive Environment are basically MVP-worthy.
Bryant also seems like he has more raw power than Aramis. I suspect they might be similarly "gifted" at 3B though.
I don't care. I just demand that the Cubs build a statue of Aramis Ramirez at Wrigley Field and that everyone of those media dopes who shit on him for not looking like he cared enough or wearing a ski mask in April be forced to prostrate themselves before it.
Quote from: CT III on February 06, 2015, 03:43:10 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 06, 2015, 03:40:12 PM
Quote from: Eli on February 06, 2015, 03:37:30 PM
Quote from: CT III on February 06, 2015, 03:31:26 PM
I also saw Aramis Ramirez's name tossed off there. Is he actually a comparable? Because post-Pittsburgh Aramis Ramirez was a goddamned monster and I fucking love him.
It could work, maybe. Lower BA but likely more walks.
Of course Ramirez's prime numbers (2004-2008) in Today's Offensive Environment are basically MVP-worthy.
Bryant also seems like he has more raw power than Aramis. I suspect they might be similarly "gifted" at 3B though.
I don't care. I just demand that the Cubs build a statue of Aramis Ramirez at Wrigley Field and that everyone of those media dopes who shit on him for not looking like he cared enough or wearing a ski mask in April be forced to prostrate themselves before it.
I have only one question and it's why can't I make you president
Quote from: SKO on February 06, 2015, 03:40:12 PM
Quote from: Eli on February 06, 2015, 03:37:30 PM
Quote from: CT III on February 06, 2015, 03:31:26 PM
I also saw Aramis Ramirez's name tossed off there. Is he actually a comparable? Because post-Pittsburgh Aramis Ramirez was a goddamned monster and I fucking love him.
It could work, maybe. Lower BA but likely more walks.
Of course Ramirez's prime numbers (2004-2008) in Today's Offensive Environment are basically MVP-worthy.
Bryant also seems like he has more raw power than Aramis. I suspect they might be similarly "gifted" at 3B though.
I'm not having any revisionist disparagement of Aramis Ramirez's glove work. He had problems throwing the ball that were completely corrected through hard work, dedication and Derrick Lee's ginormous wingspan. If Bryant turns out to be the player at third that Ramirez became we're going to be glad they didn't trade him for Cole Hamels.
Quote from: InternetApex on February 06, 2015, 03:52:34 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 06, 2015, 03:40:12 PM
Quote from: Eli on February 06, 2015, 03:37:30 PM
Quote from: CT III on February 06, 2015, 03:31:26 PM
I also saw Aramis Ramirez's name tossed off there. Is he actually a comparable? Because post-Pittsburgh Aramis Ramirez was a goddamned monster and I fucking love him.
It could work, maybe. Lower BA but likely more walks.
Of course Ramirez's prime numbers (2004-2008) in Today's Offensive Environment are basically MVP-worthy.
Bryant also seems like he has more raw power than Aramis. I suspect they might be similarly "gifted" at 3B though.
I'm not having any revisionist disparagement of Aramis Ramirez's glove work. He had problems throwing the ball that were completely corrected through hard work, dedication and Derrick Lee's ginormous wingspan. If Bryant turns out to be the player at third that Ramirez became we're going to be glad they didn't trade him for Cole Hamels.
A) Aramis slowly became a good third baseman after years of being a bad one, that's not disparaging, that's fact, and a lot of people seem to think Bryant needs work at 3B.
B) I don't think anyone has ever put Bryant into any of the imaginary trade scenarios for anyone.
Quote from: SKO on February 06, 2015, 03:54:45 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on February 06, 2015, 03:52:34 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 06, 2015, 03:40:12 PM
Quote from: Eli on February 06, 2015, 03:37:30 PM
Quote from: CT III on February 06, 2015, 03:31:26 PM
I also saw Aramis Ramirez's name tossed off there. Is he actually a comparable? Because post-Pittsburgh Aramis Ramirez was a goddamned monster and I fucking love him.
It could work, maybe. Lower BA but likely more walks.
Of course Ramirez's prime numbers (2004-2008) in Today's Offensive Environment are basically MVP-worthy.
Bryant also seems like he has more raw power than Aramis. I suspect they might be similarly "gifted" at 3B though.
I'm not having any revisionist disparagement of Aramis Ramirez's glove work. He had problems throwing the ball that were completely corrected through hard work, dedication and Derrick Lee's ginormous wingspan. If Bryant turns out to be the player at third that Ramirez became we're going to be glad they didn't trade him for Cole Hamels.
A) Aramis slowly became a good third baseman after years of being a bad one, that's not disparaging, that's fact, and a lot of people seem to think Bryant needs work at 3B.
B) I don't think anyone has ever put Bryant into any of the imaginary trade scenarios for anyone.
A) Why you bringin' up old shit? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjKRQ_OqCCw)
B) They had better not.
Quote from: InternetApex on February 06, 2015, 03:57:00 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 06, 2015, 03:54:45 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on February 06, 2015, 03:52:34 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 06, 2015, 03:40:12 PM
Quote from: Eli on February 06, 2015, 03:37:30 PM
Quote from: CT III on February 06, 2015, 03:31:26 PM
I also saw Aramis Ramirez's name tossed off there. Is he actually a comparable? Because post-Pittsburgh Aramis Ramirez was a goddamned monster and I fucking love him.
It could work, maybe. Lower BA but likely more walks.
Of course Ramirez's prime numbers (2004-2008) in Today's Offensive Environment are basically MVP-worthy.
Bryant also seems like he has more raw power than Aramis. I suspect they might be similarly "gifted" at 3B though.
I'm not having any revisionist disparagement of Aramis Ramirez's glove work. He had problems throwing the ball that were completely corrected through hard work, dedication and Derrick Lee's ginormous wingspan. If Bryant turns out to be the player at third that Ramirez became we're going to be glad they didn't trade him for Cole Hamels.
A) Aramis slowly became a good third baseman after years of being a bad one, that's not disparaging, that's fact, and a lot of people seem to think Bryant needs work at 3B.
B) I don't think anyone has ever put Bryant into any of the imaginary trade scenarios for anyone.
A) Why you gotta bring up old shit?
B) They had better not.
A) We were making a Bryant- Ramirez comp and if I didn't make sure to insert a dark cloud of shit rain on all of the sunny stuff Ol' Uncle Eli was surely going to come along to rain on our parade so I had to head him off at the pass.
B) Glad that's settled.
Quote from: SKO on February 06, 2015, 03:58:02 PM
Ol' Uncle Eli was surely going to come along to rain on our parade so I had to head him off at the pass.
Says the guy who relishes his role in stopping college kids from having fun in college.
Quote from: Eli on February 06, 2015, 04:01:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 06, 2015, 03:58:02 PM
Ol' Uncle Eli was surely going to come along to rain on our parade so I had to head him off at the pass.
Says the guy who relishes his role in stopping college kids from having fun in college.
I'll ask those kids what they think of Bryant's ZiPS projection before I start issuing summary justice this time.
Quote from: Eli on February 06, 2015, 04:01:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 06, 2015, 03:58:02 PM
Ol' Uncle Eli was surely going to come along to rain on our parade so I had to head him off at the pass.
Says the guy who relishes his role in stopping college kids from having fun in college.
SKO takes their belts and sells them off through Yeti's guy in the Phillippines.
#1. (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=25592)
Quote from: Oleg on February 18, 2015, 10:26:22 AM
#1. (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=25592)
Quote
Must-See Affiliate: Triple-A Iowa
Prospects to See There: Kris Bryant, Addison Russell, Pierce Johnson
Better go in April.
Quote from: Fork on February 18, 2015, 01:46:04 PM
Quote from: Oleg on February 18, 2015, 10:26:22 AM
#1. (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=25592)
Quote
Must-See Affiliate: Triple-A Iowa
Prospects to See There: Kris Bryant, Addison Russell, Pierce Johnson
Better go in April.
Or Memphis and New Orleans:
Could be as early as April 17 (http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/10/21/balancing-value-why-kris-bryant-may-need-miss-only-9-big-league-games-next-year/) and the Iowa Cubes are on the road until April 17th (http://www.milb.com/schedule/index.jsp?sid=t451)
Quote from: Yeti on February 18, 2015, 02:26:00 PM
Quote from: Fork on February 18, 2015, 01:46:04 PM
Quote from: Oleg on February 18, 2015, 10:26:22 AM
#1. (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=25592)
Quote
Must-See Affiliate: Triple-A Iowa
Prospects to See There: Kris Bryant, Addison Russell, Pierce Johnson
Better go in April.
Or Memphis and New Orleans:
Could be as early as April 17 (http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/10/21/balancing-value-why-kris-bryant-may-need-miss-only-9-big-league-games-next-year/) and the Iowa Cubes are on the road until April 17th (http://www.milb.com/schedule/index.jsp?sid=t451)
They're in Colorado Springs in late April. May be too late by then.
Quote from: Oleg on February 18, 2015, 02:35:28 PM
Quote from: Yeti on February 18, 2015, 02:26:00 PM
Quote from: Fork on February 18, 2015, 01:46:04 PM
Quote from: Oleg on February 18, 2015, 10:26:22 AM
#1. (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=25592)
Quote
Must-See Affiliate: Triple-A Iowa
Prospects to See There: Kris Bryant, Addison Russell, Pierce Johnson
Better go in April.
Or Memphis and New Orleans:
Could be as early as April 17 (http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/10/21/balancing-value-why-kris-bryant-may-need-miss-only-9-big-league-games-next-year/) and the Iowa Cubes are on the road until April 17th (http://www.milb.com/schedule/index.jsp?sid=t451)
They're in Colorado Springs in late April. May be too late by then.
The good news: that means Denver, then.
If the Cubs follow their pattern of calling high profile prospects up while on the road, that means Bryant gets the call either between 4/20-26 or 5/4-10.
Not that it would matter in this case, the media spotlight will be intense whenever he puts on a Cubs uniform for real.
Quote from: Fork on February 19, 2015, 08:07:50 AM
If the Cubs follow their pattern of calling high profile prospects up while on the road, that means Bryant gets the call either between 4/20-26 or 5/4-10.
Is that a thing? Or are we just going off Soler and Baez?
Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 08:41:56 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 19, 2015, 08:07:50 AM
If the Cubs follow their pattern of calling high profile prospects up while on the road, that means Bryant gets the call either between 4/20-26 or 5/4-10.
Is that a thing? Or are we just going off Soler and Baez?
And Mendy in Brennamantown.
So yeah I'd say it's a trend.
Quote from: PANK! on February 19, 2015, 08:46:31 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 08:41:56 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 19, 2015, 08:07:50 AM
If the Cubs follow their pattern of calling high profile prospects up while on the road, that means Bryant gets the call either between 4/20-26 or 5/4-10.
Is that a thing? Or are we just going off Soler and Baez?
And Mendy in Brennamantown.
Hendricks there too.
Quote from: Fork on February 19, 2015, 08:50:57 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 19, 2015, 08:46:31 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 08:41:56 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 19, 2015, 08:07:50 AM
If the Cubs follow their pattern of calling high profile prospects up while on the road, that means Bryant gets the call either between 4/20-26 or 5/4-10.
Is that a thing? Or are we just going off Soler and Baez?
And Mendy in Brennamantown.
Hendricks there too.
Oh yeah I forgot about that. They had to do something drastic to slow down the Kyle Hendricks hype train. I took off work that day just to see him pitch.
Quote from: SKO on February 19, 2015, 08:53:20 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 19, 2015, 08:50:57 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 19, 2015, 08:46:31 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 08:41:56 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 19, 2015, 08:07:50 AM
If the Cubs follow their pattern of calling high profile prospects up while on the road, that means Bryant gets the call either between 4/20-26 or 5/4-10.
Is that a thing? Or are we just going off Soler and Baez?
And Mendy in Brennamantown.
Hendricks there too.
Oh yeah I forgot about that. They had to do something drastic to slow down the Kyle Hendricks hype train. I took off work that day just to see him pitch.
They were pumping his tires a fair amount. Not as much as the other guys, but more than any other pitcher in the system at that time.
Quote from: Fork on February 19, 2015, 09:18:24 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 19, 2015, 08:53:20 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 19, 2015, 08:50:57 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 19, 2015, 08:46:31 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 08:41:56 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 19, 2015, 08:07:50 AM
If the Cubs follow their pattern of calling high profile prospects up while on the road, that means Bryant gets the call either between 4/20-26 or 5/4-10.
Is that a thing? Or are we just going off Soler and Baez?
And Mendy in Brennamantown.
Hendricks there too.
Oh yeah I forgot about that. They had to do something drastic to slow down the Kyle Hendricks hype train. I took off work that day just to see him pitch.
They were pumping his tires a fair amount. Not as much as the other guys, but more than any other pitcher in the system at that time.
Oh yeah, look at all this excitement: (http://i.imgur.com/LHL3GY1.png)
Quote from: SKO on February 19, 2015, 09:23:37 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 19, 2015, 09:18:24 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 19, 2015, 08:53:20 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 19, 2015, 08:50:57 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 19, 2015, 08:46:31 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 08:41:56 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 19, 2015, 08:07:50 AM
If the Cubs follow their pattern of calling high profile prospects up while on the road, that means Bryant gets the call either between 4/20-26 or 5/4-10.
Is that a thing? Or are we just going off Soler and Baez?
And Mendy in Brennamantown.
Hendricks there too.
Oh yeah I forgot about that. They had to do something drastic to slow down the Kyle Hendricks hype train. I took off work that day just to see him pitch.
They were pumping his tires a fair amount. Not as much as the other guys, but more than any other pitcher in the system at that time.
Oh yeah, look at all this excitement: (http://i.imgur.com/LHL3GY1.png)
Debbie wanted to fuck him
Quote from: Yeti on February 19, 2015, 09:29:53 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 19, 2015, 09:23:37 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 19, 2015, 09:18:24 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 19, 2015, 08:53:20 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 19, 2015, 08:50:57 AM
Quote from: PANK! on February 19, 2015, 08:46:31 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 08:41:56 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 19, 2015, 08:07:50 AM
If the Cubs follow their pattern of calling high profile prospects up while on the road, that means Bryant gets the call either between 4/20-26 or 5/4-10.
Is that a thing? Or are we just going off Soler and Baez?
And Mendy in Brennamantown.
Hendricks there too.
Oh yeah I forgot about that. They had to do something drastic to slow down the Kyle Hendricks hype train. I took off work that day just to see him pitch.
They were pumping his tires a fair amount. Not as much as the other guys, but more than any other pitcher in the system at that time.
Oh yeah, look at all this excitement: (http://i.imgur.com/LHL3GY1.png)
Debbie wanted to fuck him
I mean people were excited. Not as excited as they appeared to be about the immortal Dallas Beeler, but who can forget the excitement in the air when you first heard that the rebuild was over because the Kyle Hendricks Experience was about to begin?
I'd like to think that they'll just call up Bryant whenever his service-time obligations are met, whether that's for a road or home game.
Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 09:45:08 AM
I'd like to think that they'll just call up Bryant whenever his service-time obligations are met, whether that's for a road or home game.
It's not a firm number though, is it? I thought it depended on other callups for this season. So I'd think they'd want to make sure there's a little cushion if that's the case.
Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 09:45:08 AM
I'd like to think that they'll just call up Bryant whenever his service-time obligations are met, whether that's for a road or home game.
Just as a hypothetical, what would be your anger level if My Colt gets off to a hot start at 3B, and the Cubs just decide to see how long it takes him to fizzle out before calling up Bryant in order to see if they can put of Bryant's super 2 and make Olt a decent chip at the trade deadline.
Gonna stress that this is a hypothetical because Olt blows, but I am curious if you'd be mad either way, because I can certainly understand just wanting Bryant up as soon as possible regardless.
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If the Cubs follow their pattern of calling high profile prospects up while on the road, that means Bryant gets the call either between 4/20-26 or 5/4-10.
Is that a thing? Or are we just going off Soler and Baez?
And Mendy in Brennamantown.
Hendricks there too.
Oh yeah I forgot about that. They had to do something drastic to slow down the Kyle Hendricks hype train. I took off work that day just to see him pitch.
They were pumping his tires a fair amount. Not as much as the other guys, but more than any other pitcher in the system at that time.
Oh yeah, look at all this excitement: (http://i.imgur.com/LHL3GY1.png)
Debbie wanted to fuck him
I mean people were excited. Not as excited as they appeared to be about the immortal Dallas Beeler, but who can forget the excitement in the air when you first heard that the rebuild was over because the Kyle Hendricks Experience was about to begin?
Only to belabor the point a little more, he was the Cubs' Minor League Pitcher of the Year for 2013.
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Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 08:41:56 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 19, 2015, 08:07:50 AM
If the Cubs follow their pattern of calling high profile prospects up while on the road, that means Bryant gets the call either between 4/20-26 or 5/4-10.
Is that a thing? Or are we just going off Soler and Baez?
And Mendy in Brennamantown.
Hendricks there too.
Oh yeah I forgot about that. They had to do something drastic to slow down the Kyle Hendricks hype train. I took off work that day just to see him pitch.
They were pumping his tires a fair amount. Not as much as the other guys, but more than any other pitcher in the system at that time.
Oh yeah, look at all this excitement: (http://i.imgur.com/LHL3GY1.png)
Debbie wanted to fuck him
I mean people were excited. Not as excited as they appeared to be about the immortal Dallas Beeler, but who can forget the excitement in the air when you first heard that the rebuild was over because the Kyle Hendricks Experience was about to begin?
Only to belabor the point a little more, he was the Cubs' Minor League Pitcher of the Year for 2013.
In a farm system considered to have so little pitching depth that people were outraged when Jeff Samardzija was traded for the best SS prospect in all of baseball and not some young pitchers. Jason Dubois was once the Cubs best minor league hitter. That means nothing.
Quote from: SKO on February 19, 2015, 10:52:22 AM
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Quote from: PANK! on February 19, 2015, 08:46:31 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 08:41:56 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 19, 2015, 08:07:50 AM
If the Cubs follow their pattern of calling high profile prospects up while on the road, that means Bryant gets the call either between 4/20-26 or 5/4-10.
Is that a thing? Or are we just going off Soler and Baez?
And Mendy in Brennamantown.
Hendricks there too.
Oh yeah I forgot about that. They had to do something drastic to slow down the Kyle Hendricks hype train. I took off work that day just to see him pitch.
They were pumping his tires a fair amount. Not as much as the other guys, but more than any other pitcher in the system at that time.
Oh yeah, look at all this excitement: (http://i.imgur.com/LHL3GY1.png)
Debbie wanted to fuck him
I mean people were excited. Not as excited as they appeared to be about the immortal Dallas Beeler, but who can forget the excitement in the air when you first heard that the rebuild was over because the Kyle Hendricks Experience was about to begin?
Only to belabor the point a little more, he was the Cubs' Minor League Pitcher of the Year for 2013.
In a farm system considered to have so little pitching depth that people were outraged when Jeff Samardzija was traded for the best SS prospect in all of baseball and not some young pitchers. Jason Dubois was once the Cubs best minor league hitter. That means nothing.
DPD but their minor league pitchers of the year in 2011 and 2012 were some guy named Nick Stuck and something named Beliveau. I don't see fans wearing their shirseys at the Cub convention just yet.
Also, christ on a bike this list sucks: http://www.chatsports.com/chicago-cubs/a/Cubs-Minor-League-Player-and-Pitcher-of-the-Year-19902014-2-10908612
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Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 08:41:56 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 19, 2015, 08:07:50 AM
If the Cubs follow their pattern of calling high profile prospects up while on the road, that means Bryant gets the call either between 4/20-26 or 5/4-10.
Is that a thing? Or are we just going off Soler and Baez?
And Mendy in Brennamantown.
Hendricks there too.
Oh yeah I forgot about that. They had to do something drastic to slow down the Kyle Hendricks hype train. I took off work that day just to see him pitch.
They were pumping his tires a fair amount. Not as much as the other guys, but more than any other pitcher in the system at that time.
Oh yeah, look at all this excitement: (http://i.imgur.com/LHL3GY1.png)
Debbie wanted to fuck him
Debbie did Dallas, surely?
Quote from: SKO on February 19, 2015, 10:56:25 AM
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Quote from: PANK! on February 19, 2015, 08:46:31 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 08:41:56 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 19, 2015, 08:07:50 AM
If the Cubs follow their pattern of calling high profile prospects up while on the road, that means Bryant gets the call either between 4/20-26 or 5/4-10.
Is that a thing? Or are we just going off Soler and Baez?
And Mendy in Brennamantown.
Hendricks there too.
Oh yeah I forgot about that. They had to do something drastic to slow down the Kyle Hendricks hype train. I took off work that day just to see him pitch.
They were pumping his tires a fair amount. Not as much as the other guys, but more than any other pitcher in the system at that time.
Oh yeah, look at all this excitement: (http://i.imgur.com/LHL3GY1.png)
Debbie wanted to fuck him
I mean people were excited. Not as excited as they appeared to be about the immortal Dallas Beeler, but who can forget the excitement in the air when you first heard that the rebuild was over because the Kyle Hendricks Experience was about to begin?
Only to belabor the point a little more, he was the Cubs' Minor League Pitcher of the Year for 2013.
In a farm system considered to have so little pitching depth that people were outraged when Jeff Samardzija was traded for the best SS prospect in all of baseball and not some young pitchers. Jason Dubois was once the Cubs best minor league hitter. That means nothing.
DPD but their minor league pitchers of the year in 2011 and 2012 were some guy named Nick Stuck and something named Beliveau. I don't see fans wearing their shirseys at the Cub convention just yet.
Also, christ on a bike this list sucks: http://www.chatsports.com/chicago-cubs/a/Cubs-Minor-League-Player-and-Pitcher-of-the-Year-19902014-2-10908612
HOFF POWER!!!
Quote from: SKO on February 19, 2015, 10:49:14 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 09:45:08 AM
I'd like to think that they'll just call up Bryant whenever his service-time obligations are met, whether that's for a road or home game.
Just as a hypothetical, what would be your anger level if My Colt gets off to a hot start at 3B, and the Cubs just decide to see how long it takes him to fizzle out before calling up Bryant in order to see if they can put of Bryant's super 2 and make Olt a decent chip at the trade deadline.
Gonna stress that this is a hypothetical because Olt blows, but I am curious if you'd be mad either way, because I can certainly understand just wanting Bryant up as soon as possible regardless.
Eh. Probably depends. In a vacuum it would bother me because Super 2 shouldn't be that big of a deal to a team like the Cubs, but it would depend on how the team is doing and how Bryant is performing in the minors.
Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 12:16:20 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 19, 2015, 10:49:14 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 09:45:08 AM
I'd like to think that they'll just call up Bryant whenever his service-time obligations are met, whether that's for a road or home game.
Just as a hypothetical, what would be your anger level if My Colt gets off to a hot start at 3B, and the Cubs just decide to see how long it takes him to fizzle out before calling up Bryant in order to see if they can put of Bryant's super 2 and make Olt a decent chip at the trade deadline.
Gonna stress that this is a hypothetical because Olt blows, but I am curious if you'd be mad either way, because I can certainly understand just wanting Bryant up as soon as possible regardless.
Eh. Probably depends. In a vacuum it would bother me because Super 2 shouldn't be that big of a deal to a team like the Cubs, but it would depend on how the team is doing and how Bryant is performing in the minors.
The correct answer is that in that scenario you still call up Bryant and Mike Olt gets to play some LF because I have a sinking feeling that LF might be a black hole of suck this year.
Quote from: SKO on February 19, 2015, 10:49:14 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 09:45:08 AM
I'd like to think that they'll just call up Bryant whenever his service-time obligations are met, whether that's for a road or home game.
Just as a hypothetical, what would be your anger level if My Colt gets off to a hot start at 3B, and the Cubs just decide to see how long it takes him to fizzle out before calling up Bryant in order to see if they can put of Bryant's super 2 and make Olt a decent chip at the trade deadline.
Gonna stress that this is a hypothetical because Olt blows, but I am curious if you'd be mad either way, because I can certainly understand just wanting Bryant up as soon as possible regardless.
In your scenario, how's Bryant doing at AAA? Same or better as last year?
If Olt was OPSing 900 I might leave him playing until I could trade him or he sunk under 900. I'd figure once he fell below 900, 600 would be coming quickly.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 19, 2015, 01:07:00 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 19, 2015, 10:49:14 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 09:45:08 AM
I'd like to think that they'll just call up Bryant whenever his service-time obligations are met, whether that's for a road or home game.
Just as a hypothetical, what would be your anger level if My Colt gets off to a hot start at 3B, and the Cubs just decide to see how long it takes him to fizzle out before calling up Bryant in order to see if they can put of Bryant's super 2 and make Olt a decent chip at the trade deadline.
Gonna stress that this is a hypothetical because Olt blows, but I am curious if you'd be mad either way, because I can certainly understand just wanting Bryant up as soon as possible regardless.
In your scenario, how's Bryant doing at AAA? Same or better as last year?
If Olt was OPSing 900 I might leave him playing until I could trade him or he sunk under 900. I'd figure once he fell below 900, 600 would be coming quickly.
Each time he stepped to the plate, he'd be 150% of the way to CEO (Chuck's Expected OPS). Amazing.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 19, 2015, 01:07:00 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 19, 2015, 10:49:14 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 09:45:08 AM
I'd like to think that they'll just call up Bryant whenever his service-time obligations are met, whether that's for a road or home game.
Just as a hypothetical, what would be your anger level if My Colt gets off to a hot start at 3B, and the Cubs just decide to see how long it takes him to fizzle out before calling up Bryant in order to see if they can put of Bryant's super 2 and make Olt a decent chip at the trade deadline.
Gonna stress that this is a hypothetical because Olt blows, but I am curious if you'd be mad either way, because I can certainly understand just wanting Bryant up as soon as possible regardless.
In your scenario, how's Bryant doing at AAA? Same or better as last year?
If Olt was OPSing 900 I might leave him playing until I could trade him or he sunk under 900. I'd figure once he fell below 900, 600 would be coming quickly.
This sentence is great. If Mike Olt manages an OPS of 775 he'd be a valuable trade piece. There wasn't a single 3B in all of baseball who OPS'd over 900 last year.
Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 12:16:20 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 19, 2015, 10:49:14 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 09:45:08 AM
I'd like to think that they'll just call up Bryant whenever his service-time obligations are met, whether that's for a road or home game.
Just as a hypothetical, what would be your anger level if My Colt gets off to a hot start at 3B, and the Cubs just decide to see how long it takes him to fizzle out before calling up Bryant in order to see if they can put of Bryant's super 2 and make Olt a decent chip at the trade deadline.
Gonna stress that this is a hypothetical because Olt blows, but I am curious if you'd be mad either way, because I can certainly understand just wanting Bryant up as soon as possible regardless.
Eh. Probably depends. In a vacuum it would bother me because Super 2 shouldn't be that big of a deal to a team like the Cubs, but it would depend on how the team is doing and how Bryant is performing in the minors.
You don't think the Cubs have a date predetermined for Bryant's callup, barring injury?
Quote from: Fork on February 19, 2015, 02:44:26 PM
Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 12:16:20 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 19, 2015, 10:49:14 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 09:45:08 AM
I'd like to think that they'll just call up Bryant whenever his service-time obligations are met, whether that's for a road or home game.
Just as a hypothetical, what would be your anger level if My Colt gets off to a hot start at 3B, and the Cubs just decide to see how long it takes him to fizzle out before calling up Bryant in order to see if they can put of Bryant's super 2 and make Olt a decent chip at the trade deadline.
Gonna stress that this is a hypothetical because Olt blows, but I am curious if you'd be mad either way, because I can certainly understand just wanting Bryant up as soon as possible regardless.
Eh. Probably depends. In a vacuum it would bother me because Super 2 shouldn't be that big of a deal to a team like the Cubs, but it would depend on how the team is doing and how Bryant is performing in the minors.
You don't think the Cubs have a date predetermined for Bryant's callup, barring injury?
No I think Eli was responding to my hypothetical where Olt plays well and potentially pushes that predetermined date back by introducing a new variable.
Quote from: SKO on February 19, 2015, 02:29:34 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 19, 2015, 01:07:00 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 19, 2015, 10:49:14 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 09:45:08 AM
I'd like to think that they'll just call up Bryant whenever his service-time obligations are met, whether that's for a road or home game.
Just as a hypothetical, what would be your anger level if My Colt gets off to a hot start at 3B, and the Cubs just decide to see how long it takes him to fizzle out before calling up Bryant in order to see if they can put of Bryant's super 2 and make Olt a decent chip at the trade deadline.
Gonna stress that this is a hypothetical because Olt blows, but I am curious if you'd be mad either way, because I can certainly understand just wanting Bryant up as soon as possible regardless.
In your scenario, how's Bryant doing at AAA? Same or better as last year?
If Olt was OPSing 900 I might leave him playing until I could trade him or he sunk under 900. I'd figure once he fell below 900, 600 would be coming quickly.
This sentence is great. If Mike Olt manages an OPS of 775 he'd be a valuable trade piece. There wasn't a single 3B in all of baseball who OPS'd over 900 last year.
So in other words if Olt was performing, offensively, higher than every other 3rd baseman, Chuck
might leave him there...or trade him.
I mean, I know the odds of Olt producing an OPS of even .700 are pretty remote, so this is largely academic. Still, what an amazing glimpse into Chucktown.
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 19, 2015, 01:07:00 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 19, 2015, 10:49:14 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 09:45:08 AM
I'd like to think that they'll just call up Bryant whenever his service-time obligations are met, whether that's for a road or home game.
Just as a hypothetical, what would be your anger level if My Colt gets off to a hot start at 3B, and the Cubs just decide to see how long it takes him to fizzle out before calling up Bryant in order to see if they can put of Bryant's super 2 and make Olt a decent chip at the trade deadline.
Gonna stress that this is a hypothetical because Olt blows, but I am curious if you'd be mad either way, because I can certainly understand just wanting Bryant up as soon as possible regardless.
In your scenario, how's Bryant doing at AAA? Same or better as last year?
If Olt was OPSing 900 I might leave him playing until I could trade him or he sunk under 900. I'd figure once he fell below 900, 600 would be coming quickly.
Each time he stepped to the plate, he'd be 150% of the way to CEO (Chuck's Expected OPS). Amazing.
Well, he did OPS 604 last year. I'd expect some regression for him.
Quote from: PANK! on February 19, 2015, 02:52:30 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 19, 2015, 02:29:34 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 19, 2015, 01:07:00 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 19, 2015, 10:49:14 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 09:45:08 AM
I'd like to think that they'll just call up Bryant whenever his service-time obligations are met, whether that's for a road or home game.
Just as a hypothetical, what would be your anger level if My Colt gets off to a hot start at 3B, and the Cubs just decide to see how long it takes him to fizzle out before calling up Bryant in order to see if they can put of Bryant's super 2 and make Olt a decent chip at the trade deadline.
Gonna stress that this is a hypothetical because Olt blows, but I am curious if you'd be mad either way, because I can certainly understand just wanting Bryant up as soon as possible regardless.
In your scenario, how's Bryant doing at AAA? Same or better as last year?
If Olt was OPSing 900 I might leave him playing until I could trade him or he sunk under 900. I'd figure once he fell below 900, 600 would be coming quickly.
This sentence is great. If Mike Olt manages an OPS of 775 he'd be a valuable trade piece. There wasn't a single 3B in all of baseball who OPS'd over 900 last year.
So in other words if Olt was performing, offensively, higher than every other 3rd baseman, Chuck might leave him there...or trade him.
I mean, I know the odds of Olt producing an OPS of even .700 are pretty remote, so this is largely academic. Still, what an amazing glimpse into Chucktown.
THIS.
I will run through Lincoln Park buck naked with "FUCK RAHM" painted on my ass if Olt is over .700 on April 15.
(http://www.dailyactor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/boardwalk-empire-jack-huston.jpg)
Quote from: InternetApex on February 19, 2015, 03:09:28 PM
Quote from: PANK! on February 19, 2015, 02:52:30 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 19, 2015, 02:29:34 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 19, 2015, 01:07:00 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 19, 2015, 10:49:14 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 09:45:08 AM
I'd like to think that they'll just call up Bryant whenever his service-time obligations are met, whether that's for a road or home game.
Just as a hypothetical, what would be your anger level if My Colt gets off to a hot start at 3B, and the Cubs just decide to see how long it takes him to fizzle out before calling up Bryant in order to see if they can put of Bryant's super 2 and make Olt a decent chip at the trade deadline.
Gonna stress that this is a hypothetical because Olt blows, but I am curious if you'd be mad either way, because I can certainly understand just wanting Bryant up as soon as possible regardless.
In your scenario, how's Bryant doing at AAA? Same or better as last year?
If Olt was OPSing 900 I might leave him playing until I could trade him or he sunk under 900. I'd figure once he fell below 900, 600 would be coming quickly.
This sentence is great. If Mike Olt manages an OPS of 775 he'd be a valuable trade piece. There wasn't a single 3B in all of baseball who OPS'd over 900 last year.
So in other words if Olt was performing, offensively, higher than every other 3rd baseman, Chuck might leave him there...or trade him.
I mean, I know the odds of Olt producing an OPS of even .700 are pretty remote, so this is largely academic. Still, what an amazing glimpse into Chucktown.
THIS.
I will run through Lincoln Park buck naked with "FUCK RAHM" painted on my ass if Olt is over .700 on April 15.
(http://www.dailyactor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/boardwalk-empire-jack-huston.jpg)
I've never wanted a guy who's getting traded anyway to spend two weeks channelling Babe Ruth more than right now.
Quote from: Fork on February 19, 2015, 10:45:56 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 09:45:08 AM
I'd like to think that they'll just call up Bryant whenever his service-time obligations are met, whether that's for a road or home game.
It's not a firm number though, is it? I thought it depended on other callups for this season. So I'd think they'd want to make sure there's a little cushion if that's the case.
The Super 2 cutoff is variable and dependent on other teams' call-ups. But that would be late summer in any event and should be off the table barring any crazy revision to the Official Desipio Prospect Development Roadmap.
Any call-up before then is purely about service time. Namely, about keeping his total time on the 25-man in 2015 under 172 days.
Quote from: Fork on February 19, 2015, 03:11:39 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on February 19, 2015, 03:09:28 PM
Quote from: PANK! on February 19, 2015, 02:52:30 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 19, 2015, 02:29:34 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 19, 2015, 01:07:00 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 19, 2015, 10:49:14 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 09:45:08 AM
I'd like to think that they'll just call up Bryant whenever his service-time obligations are met, whether that's for a road or home game.
Just as a hypothetical, what would be your anger level if My Colt gets off to a hot start at 3B, and the Cubs just decide to see how long it takes him to fizzle out before calling up Bryant in order to see if they can put of Bryant's super 2 and make Olt a decent chip at the trade deadline.
Gonna stress that this is a hypothetical because Olt blows, but I am curious if you'd be mad either way, because I can certainly understand just wanting Bryant up as soon as possible regardless.
In your scenario, how's Bryant doing at AAA? Same or better as last year?
If Olt was OPSing 900 I might leave him playing until I could trade him or he sunk under 900. I'd figure once he fell below 900, 600 would be coming quickly.
This sentence is great. If Mike Olt manages an OPS of 775 he'd be a valuable trade piece. There wasn't a single 3B in all of baseball who OPS'd over 900 last year.
So in other words if Olt was performing, offensively, higher than every other 3rd baseman, Chuck might leave him there...or trade him.
I mean, I know the odds of Olt producing an OPS of even .700 are pretty remote, so this is largely academic. Still, what an amazing glimpse into Chucktown.
THIS.
I will run through Lincoln Park buck naked with "FUCK RAHM" painted on my ass if Olt is over .700 on April 15.
(http://www.dailyactor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/boardwalk-empire-jack-huston.jpg)
I've never wanted a guy who's getting traded anyway to spend two weeks channelling Babe Ruth more than right now.
For the Record Olt's OPS on April 16th of last year was .706. He also managed a .738 OPS in Sept/October after he was called up. So I hope Apex has at least logged some gym time.
Quote from: SKO on February 19, 2015, 10:56:25 AM
Also, christ on a bike this list sucks: http://www.chatsports.com/chicago-cubs/a/Cubs-Minor-League-Player-and-Pitcher-of-the-Year-19902014-2-10908612
So, when's Chris Archer expected to get his shot?
Quote from: SKO on February 19, 2015, 02:46:04 PM
Quote from: Fork on February 19, 2015, 02:44:26 PM
Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 12:16:20 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 19, 2015, 10:49:14 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 09:45:08 AM
I'd like to think that they'll just call up Bryant whenever his service-time obligations are met, whether that's for a road or home game.
Just as a hypothetical, what would be your anger level if My Colt gets off to a hot start at 3B, and the Cubs just decide to see how long it takes him to fizzle out before calling up Bryant in order to see if they can put of Bryant's super 2 and make Olt a decent chip at the trade deadline.
Gonna stress that this is a hypothetical because Olt blows, but I am curious if you'd be mad either way, because I can certainly understand just wanting Bryant up as soon as possible regardless.
Eh. Probably depends. In a vacuum it would bother me because Super 2 shouldn't be that big of a deal to a team like the Cubs, but it would depend on how the team is doing and how Bryant is performing in the minors.
You don't think the Cubs have a date predetermined for Bryant's callup, barring injury?
No I think Eli was responding to my hypothetical where Olt plays well and potentially pushes that predetermined date back by introducing a new variable.
Correct. The Cubs should already know exactly what day Bryant can be called up.
Quote from: SKO on February 19, 2015, 03:43:56 PM
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Quote from: InternetApex on February 19, 2015, 03:09:28 PM
Quote from: PANK! on February 19, 2015, 02:52:30 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 19, 2015, 02:29:34 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on February 19, 2015, 01:07:00 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 19, 2015, 10:49:14 AM
Quote from: Eli on February 19, 2015, 09:45:08 AM
I'd like to think that they'll just call up Bryant whenever his service-time obligations are met, whether that's for a road or home game.
Just as a hypothetical, what would be your anger level if My Colt gets off to a hot start at 3B, and the Cubs just decide to see how long it takes him to fizzle out before calling up Bryant in order to see if they can put of Bryant's super 2 and make Olt a decent chip at the trade deadline.
Gonna stress that this is a hypothetical because Olt blows, but I am curious if you'd be mad either way, because I can certainly understand just wanting Bryant up as soon as possible regardless.
In your scenario, how's Bryant doing at AAA? Same or better as last year?
If Olt was OPSing 900 I might leave him playing until I could trade him or he sunk under 900. I'd figure once he fell below 900, 600 would be coming quickly.
This sentence is great. If Mike Olt manages an OPS of 775 he'd be a valuable trade piece. There wasn't a single 3B in all of baseball who OPS'd over 900 last year.
So in other words if Olt was performing, offensively, higher than every other 3rd baseman, Chuck might leave him there...or trade him.
I mean, I know the odds of Olt producing an OPS of even .700 are pretty remote, so this is largely academic. Still, what an amazing glimpse into Chucktown.
THIS.
I will run through Lincoln Park buck naked with "FUCK RAHM" painted on my ass if Olt is over .700 on April 15.
(http://www.dailyactor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/boardwalk-empire-jack-huston.jpg)
I've never wanted a guy who's getting traded anyway to spend two weeks channelling Babe Ruth more than right now.
For the Record Olt's OPS on April 16th of last year was .706. He also managed a .738 OPS in Sept/October after he was called up. So I hope Apex has at least logged some gym time.
His OPS dropped from .762 on April 22nd to .589 on April 30th.
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I'd like to think that they'll just call up Bryant whenever his service-time obligations are met, whether that's for a road or home game.
Just as a hypothetical, what would be your anger level if My Colt gets off to a hot start at 3B, and the Cubs just decide to see how long it takes him to fizzle out before calling up Bryant in order to see if they can put of Bryant's super 2 and make Olt a decent chip at the trade deadline.
Gonna stress that this is a hypothetical because Olt blows, but I am curious if you'd be mad either way, because I can certainly understand just wanting Bryant up as soon as possible regardless.
In your scenario, how's Bryant doing at AAA? Same or better as last year?
If Olt was OPSing 900 I might leave him playing until I could trade him or he sunk under 900. I'd figure once he fell below 900, 600 would be coming quickly.
This sentence is great. If Mike Olt manages an OPS of 775 he'd be a valuable trade piece. There wasn't a single 3B in all of baseball who OPS'd over 900 last year.
So in other words if Olt was performing, offensively, higher than every other 3rd baseman, Chuck might leave him there...or trade him.
I mean, I know the odds of Olt producing an OPS of even .700 are pretty remote, so this is largely academic. Still, what an amazing glimpse into Chucktown.
THIS.
I will run through Lincoln Park buck naked with "FUCK RAHM" painted on my ass if Olt is over .700 on April 15.
(http://www.dailyactor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/boardwalk-empire-jack-huston.jpg)
I've never wanted a guy who's getting traded anyway to spend two weeks channelling Babe Ruth more than right now.
For the Record Olt's OPS on April 16th of last year was .706. He also managed a .738 OPS in Sept/October after he was called up. So I hope Apex has at least logged some gym time.
His OPS dropped from .762 on April 22nd to .589 on April 30th.
What are we even talking about?
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I'd like to think that they'll just call up Bryant whenever his service-time obligations are met, whether that's for a road or home game.
Just as a hypothetical, what would be your anger level if My Colt gets off to a hot start at 3B, and the Cubs just decide to see how long it takes him to fizzle out before calling up Bryant in order to see if they can put of Bryant's super 2 and make Olt a decent chip at the trade deadline.
Gonna stress that this is a hypothetical because Olt blows, but I am curious if you'd be mad either way, because I can certainly understand just wanting Bryant up as soon as possible regardless.
In your scenario, how's Bryant doing at AAA? Same or better as last year?
If Olt was OPSing 900 I might leave him playing until I could trade him or he sunk under 900. I'd figure once he fell below 900, 600 would be coming quickly.
This sentence is great. If Mike Olt manages an OPS of 775 he'd be a valuable trade piece. There wasn't a single 3B in all of baseball who OPS'd over 900 last year.
So in other words if Olt was performing, offensively, higher than every other 3rd baseman, Chuck might leave him there...or trade him.
I mean, I know the odds of Olt producing an OPS of even .700 are pretty remote, so this is largely academic. Still, what an amazing glimpse into Chucktown.
THIS.
I will run through Lincoln Park buck naked with "FUCK RAHM" painted on my ass if Olt is over .700 on April 15.
(http://www.dailyactor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/boardwalk-empire-jack-huston.jpg)
I've never wanted a guy who's getting traded anyway to spend two weeks channelling Babe Ruth more than right now.
For the Record Olt's OPS on April 16th of last year was .706. He also managed a .738 OPS in Sept/October after he was called up. So I hope Apex has at least logged some gym time.
His OPS dropped from .762 on April 22nd to .589 on April 30th.
What are we even talking about?
I have no idea what point Chuck is trying to make I'm just saying there's a moderate chance Apex is arrested for streaking this year. I mean if he'd taken Chuck's original ludicrous 900 ops as his benchmark for nudity he'd probably be safe but saying Olt can't put up a replacement level OPS for a week and a half of big league games at the cost of public nudity was perhaps foolhardy.
If I didn't WANT to run naked through Lincoln Park, I wouldn't have made such a stupid bet. Olt's solid. This should go well up until the point that I welch on the bet by blaring Linkin Park through my bedroom and running around with all kinds of crazy messages inscribed on my derriere. I once threatened to run through Grant Park naked with "FUCK DALY" painted on my ass if the Bears lost to Brian Griese's Tampa Bay Bucs. Then that happened and I turtled.
Anyway. What were we talking about?
Quote from: InternetApex on February 19, 2015, 04:57:22 PM
If I didn't WANT to run naked through Lincoln Park, I wouldn't have made such a stupid bet. Olt's solid. This should go well up until the point that I welch on the bet by blaring Linkin Park through my bedroom and running around with all kinds of crazy messages inscribed on my derriere. I once threatened to run through Grant Park naked with "FUCK DALY" painted on my ass if the Bears lost to Brian Griese's Tampa Bay Bucs. Then that happened and I turtled.
Anyway. What were we talking about?
Too bad. I would have loved seeing some meatball mis-spelling the mayor's name on his derriere as he pranced around the museum campus.
BA's Top 100 is out.
Schwarber at 20 19. Soler at 14 12. Russell at 3. Bryant at 1.
Edwards in the top 50. McKinney in the top 100.
No Almora. No Tseng. No Torres. No Johnson. All were mentioned int he 'just missed' paragraph.
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Quote from: InternetApex on February 19, 2015, 04:57:22 PM
If I didn't WANT to run naked through Lincoln Park, I wouldn't have made such a stupid bet. Olt's solid. This should go well up until the point that I welch on the bet by blaring Linkin Park through my bedroom and running around with all kinds of crazy messages inscribed on my derriere. I once threatened to run through Grant Park naked with "FUCK DALY" painted on my ass if the Bears lost to Brian Griese's Tampa Bay Bucs. Then that happened and I turtled.
Anyway. What were we talking about?
Too bad. I would have loved seeing some meatball mis-spelling the mayor's name on his derriere as he pranced around the museum campus.
Says the expert on misspelling.
But not a meatball.
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If I didn't WANT to run naked through Lincoln Park, I wouldn't have made such a stupid bet. Olt's solid. This should go well up until the point that I welch on the bet by blaring Linkin Park through my bedroom and running around with all kinds of crazy messages inscribed on my derriere. I once threatened to run through Grant Park naked with "FUCK DALY" painted on my ass if the Bears lost to Brian Griese's Tampa Bay Bucs. Then that happened and I turtled.
Anyway. What were we talking about?
Too bad. I would have loved seeing some meatball mis-spelling the mayor's name on his derriere as he pranced around the museum campus.
Says the expert on misspelling mashing his sausage-like digits on the computer keyboard like a common PANK.
But not a meatball.
Typo'd.
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Quote from: InternetApex on February 19, 2015, 04:57:22 PM
If I didn't WANT to run naked through Lincoln Park, I wouldn't have made such a stupid bet. Olt's solid. This should go well up until the point that I welch on the bet by blaring Linkin Park through my bedroom and running around with all kinds of crazy messages inscribed on my derriere. I once threatened to run through Grant Park naked with "FUCK DALY" painted on my ass if the Bears lost to Brian Griese's Tampa Bay Bucs. Then that happened and I turtled.
Anyway. What were we talking about?
Too bad. I would have loved seeing some meatball mis-spelling the mayor's name on his derriere as he pranced around the museum campus.
Says the expert on misspelling mashing his sausage-like digits on the computer keyboard like a common PANK.
But not a meatball.
Typo'd.
My narrow ass is only good for four letters a cheek. Some assumptions have to be made that I was angry at our ex-mayor and not the plump, wild pants-wearing golfer.
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Quote from: InternetApex on February 19, 2015, 04:57:22 PM
If I didn't WANT to run naked through Lincoln Park, I wouldn't have made such a stupid bet. Olt's solid. This should go well up until the point that I welch on the bet by blaring Linkin Park through my bedroom and running around with all kinds of crazy messages inscribed on my derriere. I once threatened to run through Grant Park naked with "FUCK DALY" painted on my ass if the Bears lost to Brian Griese's Tampa Bay Bucs. Then that happened and I turtled.
Anyway. What were we talking about?
Too bad. I would have loved seeing some meatball mis-spelling the mayor's name on his derriere as he pranced around the museum campus.
Says the expert on misspelling mashing his sausage-like digits on the computer keyboard like a common PANK.
But not a meatball.
Typo'd.
My narrow ass is only good for four letters a cheek. Some assumptions have to be made that I was angry at our ex-mayor and not the plump, wild pants-wearing golfer.
This thread is causing images in my head that I will never be able to erase.
Just to make our FUTUREBONERS throb a little harder, imagine Maddon rolling this out at some point this Spring...
1-Fowler CF
2-Castro SS
3-Bryant 3B
4-Rizzo 1B
5-Soler RF
6-SKOWarber DH
7-Baez 2B
8-Denorfia LF
9-Montero C
Getting to the 8th spot in the lineup would be pretty much a matter of survival for pitchers.
Quote from: Fork on February 20, 2015, 01:01:12 PM
Just to make our FUTUREBONERS throb a little harder, imagine Maddon rolling this out at some point this Spring...
1-Fowler CF
2-Castro SS
3-Bryant 3B
4-Rizzo 1B
5-Soler RF
6-SKOWarber DH
7-Baez 2B
8-Denorfia LF
9-Montero C
Getting to the 8th spot in the lineup would be pretty much a matter of survival for pitchers.
Provided Soler and Bryant continue to hit as well as they did last year, Baez hits much better than he did last year, and Schwarber fulfills his optimal projection, which seems far from being confirmed at this point, yeah I'm right there with you.
Quote from: PANK! on February 20, 2015, 01:22:01 PM
Quote from: Fork on February 20, 2015, 01:01:12 PM
Just to make our FUTUREBONERS throb a little harder, imagine Maddon rolling this out at some point this Spring...
1-Fowler CF
2-Castro SS
3-Bryant 3B
4-Rizzo 1B
5-Soler RF
6-SKOWarber DH
7-Baez 2B
8-Denorfia LF
9-Montero C
Getting to the 8th spot in the lineup would be pretty much a matter of survival for pitchers.
Provided Soler and Bryant continue to hit as well as they did last year, Baez hits much better than he did last year, and Schwarber fulfills his optimal projection, which seems far from being confirmed at this point, yeah I'm right there with you.
Assuming everyone doesn't die, Eli Eli Eli Eli.
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2015, 01:32:59 PM
Quote from: PANK! on February 20, 2015, 01:22:01 PM
Quote from: Fork on February 20, 2015, 01:01:12 PM
Just to make our FUTUREBONERS throb a little harder, imagine Maddon rolling this out at some point this Spring...
1-Fowler CF
2-Castro SS
3-Bryant 3B
4-Rizzo 1B
5-Soler RF
6-SKOWarber DH
7-Baez 2B
8-Denorfia LF
9-Montero C
Getting to the 8th spot in the lineup would be pretty much a matter of survival for pitchers.
Provided Soler and Bryant continue to hit as well as they did last year, Baez hits much better than he did last year, and Schwarber fulfills his optimal projection, which seems far from being confirmed at this point, yeah I'm right there with you.
Assuming everyone doesn't die, Eli Eli Eli Eli.
I would say I'm most excited about Chris Denorfia
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2015, 01:32:59 PM
Quote from: PANK! on February 20, 2015, 01:22:01 PM
Quote from: Fork on February 20, 2015, 01:01:12 PM
Just to make our FUTUREBONERS throb a little harder, imagine Maddon rolling this out at some point this Spring...
1-Fowler CF
2-Castro SS
3-Bryant 3B
4-Rizzo 1B
5-Soler RF
6-SKOWarber DH
7-Baez 2B
8-Denorfia LF
9-Montero C
Getting to the 8th spot in the lineup would be pretty much a matter of survival for pitchers.
Provided Soler and Bryant continue to hit as well as they did last year, Baez hits much better than he did last year, and Schwarber fulfills his optimal projection, which seems far from being confirmed at this point, yeah I'm right there with you.
Assuming everyone doesn't die, Eli Eli Eli Eli.
Yeah, being cautious and reasonable in one's expectations is way more dumb than assuming every prospect in the system will hit their best-case projection.
Quote from: Eli on February 20, 2015, 01:44:19 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 20, 2015, 01:32:59 PM
Quote from: PANK! on February 20, 2015, 01:22:01 PM
Quote from: Fork on February 20, 2015, 01:01:12 PM
Just to make our FUTUREBONERS throb a little harder, imagine Maddon rolling this out at some point this Spring...
1-Fowler CF
2-Castro SS
3-Bryant 3B
4-Rizzo 1B
5-Soler RF
6-SKOWarber DH
7-Baez 2B
8-Denorfia LF
9-Montero C
Getting to the 8th spot in the lineup would be pretty much a matter of survival for pitchers.
Provided Soler and Bryant continue to hit as well as they did last year, Baez hits much better than he did last year, and Schwarber fulfills his optimal projection, which seems far from being confirmed at this point, yeah I'm right there with you.
Assuming everyone doesn't die, Eli Eli Eli Eli.
Yeah, being cautious and reasonable in one's expectations is way more dumb than assuming every prospect in the system will hit their best-case projection.
Reality is for the regular season. Fuck that shit now, we've got 9 Babe Ruths.
So at the risk of sounding like a common Chuck who basically gave Javy a week before deciding he wanted him dead, what are the odds Javy gets traded before he appears in a Cub uniform again? Really wouldn't be surprising if Epstein and Co. decided Javy could only lower his trade value by playing in the majors and repeating last year's performance, and that they've decided Addison Russell is the future.
Makes me kinda sad if so, though, because if Javy does pan out at all I think he'd be all kinds of fun.
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So at the risk of sounding like a common Chuck who basically gave Javy a week before deciding he wanted him dead, what are the odds Javy gets traded before he appears in a Cub uniform again?
Like 10 percent? They're not going to get anything of substantial value for him right now, so I can't imagine they'll just unload him for the sake of doing so.
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Quote from: SKO on March 31, 2015, 08:32:58 AM
So at the risk of sounding like a common Chuck who basically gave Javy a week before deciding he wanted him dead, what are the odds Javy gets traded before he appears in a Cub uniform again?
Like 10 percent? They're not going to get anything of substantial value for him right now, so I can't imagine they'll just unload him for the sake of doing so.
No I don't think they'll just dump him or anything, but I wonder if it's safe to say (or maybe it always was) Addison might be the guy to get the first crack at the big league 2B job this year between the two.
Quote from: Eli on March 31, 2015, 08:57:03 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 31, 2015, 08:32:58 AM
So at the risk of sounding like a common Chuck who basically gave Javy a week before deciding he wanted him dead, what are the odds Javy gets traded before he appears in a Cub uniform again?
Like 10 percent? They're not going to get anything of substantial value for him right now, so I can't imagine they'll just unload him for the sake of doing so.
I also think the Cubs have nothing to lose by seeing if Baez can figure it out in Iowa. He's currently low risk with a still-existing potential for high reward.
Quote from: Eli on March 31, 2015, 08:57:03 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 31, 2015, 08:32:58 AM
So at the risk of sounding like a common Chuck who basically gave Javy a week before deciding he wanted him dead, what are the odds Javy gets traded before he appears in a Cub uniform again?
Like 10 percent? They're not going to get anything of substantial value for him right now, so I can't imagine they'll just unload him for the sake of doing so.
My mantra has been since last summer that nobody has to get dealt yet.
That time's coming, but it still isn't here yet. Baez is better off restoring his value off of AAA tomato cans for the time being.
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Quote from: SKO on March 31, 2015, 08:32:58 AM
So at the risk of sounding like a common Chuck who basically gave Javy a week before deciding he wanted him dead, what are the odds Javy gets traded before he appears in a Cub uniform again?
Like 10 percent? They're not going to get anything of substantial value for him right now, so I can't imagine they'll just unload him for the sake of doing so.
My mantra has been since last summer that nobody has to get dealt yet.
That time's coming, but it still isn't here yet. Baez is better off restoring his value off of AAA tomato cans for the time being.
I didn't mean "CUBS SHOULD TRADE BAEZ RIGHT NOW" if that's how it sounded. I just meant it could be Addison is the guy now and will get first crack at 2B and Javy may end up part of a package some time down the road, since I really doubt Javy is the kind of guy who will beef up his trade value by only getting a few ABs a week as part of a timeshare.
DPD.
I should add, his offensive value.
Baez' defense has been somewhat of a revelation, for me at least. You hear a guy makes 40 errors at AA and figure he has to make it with the bat because he's a lumbering fielder who'll hurt you out there.
But after watching him play near the Jim Tocco-approved 100 times, I can say that the guy's a legit infielder. I actually don't feel worse overall about Baez than I did a year ago (partly because of the wealth of other prospects of course). I'm disappointed that he's not more consistent as a hitter, but he's certainly not without value and will play somewhere. Whether it'd be with the Cubs or someone else, there'd be value for a gold glove second baseman who could hit 25 homeruns, albeit with 200 K's, and a .220/.290 BA/OBP.
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Quote from: SKO on March 31, 2015, 08:32:58 AM
So at the risk of sounding like a common Chuck who basically gave Javy a week before deciding he wanted him dead, what are the odds Javy gets traded before he appears in a Cub uniform again?
Like 10 percent? They're not going to get anything of substantial value for him right now, so I can't imagine they'll just unload him for the sake of doing so.
My mantra has been since last summer that nobody has to get dealt yet.
That time's coming, but it still isn't here yet. Baez is better off restoring his value off of AAA tomato cans for the time being.
I didn't mean "CUBS SHOULD TRADE BAEZ RIGHT NOW" if that's how it sounded. I just meant it could be Addison is the guy now and will get first crack at 2B and Javy may end up part of a package some time down the road, since I really doubt Javy is the kind of guy who will beef up his trade value by only getting a few ABs a week as part of a timeshare.
In all seriousness, when Addison's ready he'll play shortstop. I don't see Castro fending him off. Unless he thinks he's Derek Jeter, Castro should maybe be the 3rd baseman here.
Addison's readiness is what'll finally force a decision like this. I just don't see Russell playing 2B though.
And wouldn't service time considerations prevent Russell from "beating" Baez back up to the bigs? Maybe not?
Quote from: PANK! on March 31, 2015, 09:22:19 AM
And wouldn't service time considerations prevent Russell from "beating" Baez back up to the bigs? Maybe not?
that's possible, but assuming they're actually in contention in 2015 I'd expect them not to really worry about Russell's service time if he's ready by mid-season. With Bryant it only makes sense since he's already done his time in AAA and it's a matter of days and you aren't sure exactly where the team's at, but if they're contending midseason and Addison is tearing up AAA I would hope they've reached the point where service time is no longer the main consideration.
Also am I the only one that thinks Starlin's actually worked hard to become a pretty good defensive shorstop and it's perfectly fine if the Cubs want to leave him there and let Russell be a really good 2B?
Just seems like given the learning curve Starlin had at SS asking him to make a position change seems foolhardy when he's a perfectly good SS and Addison by all accounts could be a great 2B, too. Whereas Starlin's bat wouldn't be as much of a plus at 3B and his defense would become a question mark again.
Quote from: SKO on March 31, 2015, 09:48:55 AM
Also am I the only one that thinks Starlin's actually worked hard to become a pretty good defensive shorstop and it's perfectly fine if the Cubs want to leave him there and let Russell be a really good 2B?
Just seems like given the learning curve Starlin had at SS asking him to make a position change seems foolhardy when he's a perfectly good SS and Addison by all accounts could be a great 2B, too. Whereas Starlin's bat wouldn't be as much of a plus at 3B and his defense would become a question mark again.
Addison looks to my untrained eye like a guy who could/will pack some el-bees on to his Juan Uribe-esque frame. In which case I could see him playing 3B.
So Russell at 3rd, Castro stays.
I was not denigrating Castro's play at shortstop BTW. He's MUCH improved and more consistent than when he was a kid. He's fine there. I happen to think Baez would be a better shortstop (as would Russell) but I'd prefer not to get tangled up in it, instead appreciating for a moment the time we're in here. These are nice problems to have as they say.
Does Castro look much bigger to anybody else this spring? He looks huge to me. (||)
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Does Castro look much bigger to anybody else this spring? He looks huge to me. (||)
Manny's a coach now. He's juicing the shit out of everyone.
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Quote from: PANK! on March 31, 2015, 09:22:19 AM
And wouldn't service time considerations prevent Russell from "beating" Baez back up to the bigs? Maybe not?
that's possible, but assuming they're actually in contention in 2015 I'd expect them not to really worry about Russell's service time if he's ready by mid-season. With Bryant it only makes sense since he's already done his time in AAA and it's a matter of days and you aren't sure exactly where the team's at, but if they're contending midseason and Addison is tearing up AAA I would hope they've reached the point where service time is no longer the main consideration.
I think 2015 is Russell's service-time manipulation, just like Bryant's. He's ready now. Waiting around until 2016 for him to arrive is too long, especially when he almost started
last year in the majors and Maddon is openly telling people he doesn't even know what Russell needs to improve.
Quote from: Eli on March 31, 2015, 12:00:56 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 31, 2015, 09:24:44 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 31, 2015, 09:22:19 AM
And wouldn't service time considerations prevent Russell from "beating" Baez back up to the bigs? Maybe not?
that's possible, but assuming they're actually in contention in 2015 I'd expect them not to really worry about Russell's service time if he's ready by mid-season. With Bryant it only makes sense since he's already done his time in AAA and it's a matter of days and you aren't sure exactly where the team's at, but if they're contending midseason and Addison is tearing up AAA I would hope they've reached the point where service time is no longer the main consideration.
I think 2015 is Russell's service-time manipulation, just like Bryant's. He's ready now. Waiting around until 2016 for him to arrive is too long, especially when he almost started last year in the majors and Maddon is openly telling people he doesn't even know what Russell needs to improve.
Yeah. Supposedly Oakland would have had Russell up by the end of the season last year had he not gotten hurt. I think the injury gave Theo a nice excuse to stash him in AA till the end of last year, and the need for AAA experience (which, the one consistent thing they've done with every prospect is insist that all of them get some time at every level) is an excuse to send him to start this year, but no way he makes it all of the way through this year in the minors barring injury and a surprising regression. If he does that while the Cubs are in the chase then Theo deserves all of the bile Gordo can spit at him.
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Quote from: SKO on March 31, 2015, 09:24:44 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 31, 2015, 09:22:19 AM
And wouldn't service time considerations prevent Russell from "beating" Baez back up to the bigs? Maybe not?
that's possible, but assuming they're actually in contention in 2015 I'd expect them not to really worry about Russell's service time if he's ready by mid-season. With Bryant it only makes sense since he's already done his time in AAA and it's a matter of days and you aren't sure exactly where the team's at, but if they're contending midseason and Addison is tearing up AAA I would hope they've reached the point where service time is no longer the main consideration.
I think 2015 is Russell's service-time manipulation, just like Bryant's. He's ready now. Waiting around until 2016 for him to arrive is too long, especially when he almost started last year in the majors and Maddon is openly telling people he doesn't even know what Russell needs to improve.
I was referring to the scenario wherein he bats Baez back to the bigs. Wouldn't there be a difference if Russell came up now, as opposed to, say mid-June?
Quote from: PANK! on March 31, 2015, 10:34:45 AM
So Russell at 3rd, Castro stays.
I was not denigrating Castro's play at shortstop BTW. He's MUCH improved and more consistent than when he was a kid. He's fine there. I happen to think Baez would be a better shortstop (as would Russell) but I'd prefer not to get tangled up in it, instead appreciating for a moment the time we're in here. These are nice problems to have as they say.
Very nice problems indeed, but that doesn't mean we can't be internet GM's.
If the Cubs do keep Baez and intend to have him as part of their long term future (something I'm not 100% sure of...not like I'm sure Bryant and Russell are part of the long term outlook), then Bryant more than likely goes to LF. It appears he's going there right now, anyway.
Given that circumstance (Bryant to LF), I've run circles around what I think the futureinfield would look like (assuming, also, that Mike Olt is an afterthought). What is the BEST defensive infield given Castro, Baez and Russell? If I just use range factor, the best is Baez at 4.56 (mostly SS in the minors), then Castro at 4.28 and then Russell at 4.10. By FLD% it's Castro, Russell, Baez. FLD% is a weak measurable though, right?
If I had to make a swamp-educated guess, I'd probably assume Starlin at SS, Baez at 2B and Russell at 3B. I couldn't find much more in the way of advanced defensive statistics (I didn't really dig all that much, assuming defensive stats for minor league players would be sparse). The thinking is that the Cubs would be fine no matter who plays where on defense out of those three. They are all above average defensive infielders.
I also would find it hard to believe that Russell doesn't get called up this year.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on March 31, 2015, 12:32:30 PM
Quote from: PANK! on March 31, 2015, 10:34:45 AM
So Russell at 3rd, Castro stays.
I was not denigrating Castro's play at shortstop BTW. He's MUCH improved and more consistent than when he was a kid. He's fine there. I happen to think Baez would be a better shortstop (as would Russell) but I'd prefer not to get tangled up in it, instead appreciating for a moment the time we're in here. These are nice problems to have as they say.
Very nice problems indeed, but that doesn't mean we can't be internet GM's.
If the Cubs do keep Baez and intend to have him as part of their long term future (something I'm not 100% sure of...not like I'm sure Bryant and Russell are part of the long term outlook), then Bryant more than likely goes to LF. It appears he's going there right now, anyway.
Given that circumstance (Bryant to LF), I've run circles around what I think the futureinfield would look like (assuming, also, that Mike Olt is an afterthought). What is the BEST defensive infield given Castro, Baez and Russell? If I just use range factor, the best is Baez at 4.56 (mostly SS in the minors), then Castro at 4.28 and then Russell at 4.10. By FLD% it's Castro, Russell, Baez. FLD% is a weak measurable though, right?
If I had to make a swamp-educated guess, I'd probably assume Starlin at SS, Baez at 2B and Russell at 3B. I couldn't find much more in the way of advanced defensive statistics (I didn't really dig all that much, assuming defensive stats for minor league players would be sparse). The thinking is that the Cubs would be fine no matter who plays where on defense out of those three. They are all above average defensive infielders.
I also would find it hard to believe that Russell doesn't get called up this year.
This is why Jepstink have been stockpiling middle infielders. The odds of a 100% success rate is pretty damn remote, and in the end Castro might be the best solution at short after all. And before we have visions of Bryant patrolling LF in Wrigley Field forever (once Theo has Boras rubbed out), remember that in a year or so they'll have to find a place for SKOwarber's bat.
So are we writing off Olt as a possibility long term? If Bryant is in left, and Castro/Russell are at SS and 2B, and Baez turns out to be AAAA then it would be nice if he turned out to be a solid player.
Quote from: Fork on March 31, 2015, 01:02:16 PM
... remember that in a year or so they'll have to find a place for SKOwarber's bat.
I don't think this one is going to catch on, Fork.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on March 31, 2015, 12:32:30 PM
Quote from: PANK! on March 31, 2015, 10:34:45 AM
So Russell at 3rd, Castro stays.
I was not denigrating Castro's play at shortstop BTW. He's MUCH improved and more consistent than when he was a kid. He's fine there. I happen to think Baez would be a better shortstop (as would Russell) but I'd prefer not to get tangled up in it, instead appreciating for a moment the time we're in here. These are nice problems to have as they say.
Very nice problems indeed, but that doesn't mean we can't be internet GM's.
If the Cubs do keep Baez and intend to have him as part of their long term future (something I'm not 100% sure of...not like I'm sure Bryant and Russell are part of the long term outlook), then Bryant more than likely goes to LF. It appears he's going there right now, anyway.
Given that circumstance (Bryant to LF), I've run circles around what I think the futureinfield would look like (assuming, also, that Mike Olt is an afterthought). What is the BEST defensive infield given Castro, Baez and Russell? If I just use range factor, the best is Baez at 4.56 (mostly SS in the minors), then Castro at 4.28 and then Russell at 4.10. By FLD% it's Castro, Russell, Baez. FLD% is a weak measurable though, right?
If I had to make a swamp-educated guess, I'd probably assume Starlin at SS, Baez at 2B and Russell at 3B. I couldn't find much more in the way of advanced defensive statistics (I didn't really dig all that much, assuming defensive stats for minor league players would be sparse). The thinking is that the Cubs would be fine no matter who plays where on defense out of those three. They are all above average defensive infielders.
I also would find it hard to believe that Russell doesn't get called up this year.
wanna hear an INSIDE HOT TAKE??????
Soler is a goshdarn animal. He was swinging like a damn pussy in the cages and it sounded like a stick of dynamite going off every time he made contact. I cant' imagine if he's really trying. He's the one they love the most of the most. Bryant is a close second. And coming up third is Schwarber. Apparently they think he's going to be the third best hitter out of all of these guys and he's going to be a legit player in the bigs. They're just trying to find a spot in the field for him and he's working on it all spring. Russell will be up very soon, and they're afraid of hurting Castro's feelings, so it's still kind of up in the air where he'll end up playing in the field.
Quote from: Eli on March 31, 2015, 01:51:18 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 31, 2015, 01:02:16 PM
... remember that in a year or so they'll have to find a place for SKOwarber's bat.
I don't think this one is going to catch on, Fork.
Like that's ever stopped me before.
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on March 31, 2015, 01:55:13 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on March 31, 2015, 12:32:30 PM
Quote from: PANK! on March 31, 2015, 10:34:45 AM
So Russell at 3rd, Castro stays.
I was not denigrating Castro's play at shortstop BTW. He's MUCH improved and more consistent than when he was a kid. He's fine there. I happen to think Baez would be a better shortstop (as would Russell) but I'd prefer not to get tangled up in it, instead appreciating for a moment the time we're in here. These are nice problems to have as they say.
Very nice problems indeed, but that doesn't mean we can't be internet GM's.
If the Cubs do keep Baez and intend to have him as part of their long term future (something I'm not 100% sure of...not like I'm sure Bryant and Russell are part of the long term outlook), then Bryant more than likely goes to LF. It appears he's going there right now, anyway.
Given that circumstance (Bryant to LF), I've run circles around what I think the futureinfield would look like (assuming, also, that Mike Olt is an afterthought). What is the BEST defensive infield given Castro, Baez and Russell? If I just use range factor, the best is Baez at 4.56 (mostly SS in the minors), then Castro at 4.28 and then Russell at 4.10. By FLD% it's Castro, Russell, Baez. FLD% is a weak measurable though, right?
If I had to make a swamp-educated guess, I'd probably assume Starlin at SS, Baez at 2B and Russell at 3B. I couldn't find much more in the way of advanced defensive statistics (I didn't really dig all that much, assuming defensive stats for minor league players would be sparse). The thinking is that the Cubs would be fine no matter who plays where on defense out of those three. They are all above average defensive infielders.
I also would find it hard to believe that Russell doesn't get called up this year.
wanna hear an INSIDE HOT TAKE??????
Soler is a goshdarn animal. He was swinging like a damn pussy in the cages and it sounded like a stick of dynamite going off every time he made contact. I cant' imagine if he's really trying. He's the one they love the most of the most. Bryant is a close second. And coming up third is Schwarber. Apparently they think he's going to be the third best hitter out of all of these guys and he's going to be a legit player in the bigs. They're just trying to find a spot in the field for him and he's working on it all spring. Russell will be up very soon, and they're afraid of hurting Castro's feelings, so it's still kind of up in the air where he'll end up playing in the field.
What was with the Instagram video? I haven't kept up with Dubbs in a long time, so I don't really know how or why he ended up in the Cubs weight room but I know that I want to marry him more than ever now.
Quote from: Tony on March 31, 2015, 01:44:52 PM
So are we writing off Olt as a possibility long term?
Like a year ago.
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Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on March 31, 2015, 02:13:21 PM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on March 31, 2015, 01:55:13 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on March 31, 2015, 12:32:30 PM
Quote from: PANK! on March 31, 2015, 10:34:45 AM
So Russell at 3rd, Castro stays.
I was not denigrating Castro's play at shortstop BTW. He's MUCH improved and more consistent than when he was a kid. He's fine there. I happen to think Baez would be a better shortstop (as would Russell) but I'd prefer not to get tangled up in it, instead appreciating for a moment the time we're in here. These are nice problems to have as they say.
Very nice problems indeed, but that doesn't mean we can't be internet GM's.
If the Cubs do keep Baez and intend to have him as part of their long term future (something I'm not 100% sure of...not like I'm sure Bryant and Russell are part of the long term outlook), then Bryant more than likely goes to LF. It appears he's going there right now, anyway.
Given that circumstance (Bryant to LF), I've run circles around what I think the futureinfield would look like (assuming, also, that Mike Olt is an afterthought). What is the BEST defensive infield given Castro, Baez and Russell? If I just use range factor, the best is Baez at 4.56 (mostly SS in the minors), then Castro at 4.28 and then Russell at 4.10. By FLD% it's Castro, Russell, Baez. FLD% is a weak measurable though, right?
If I had to make a swamp-educated guess, I'd probably assume Starlin at SS, Baez at 2B and Russell at 3B. I couldn't find much more in the way of advanced defensive statistics (I didn't really dig all that much, assuming defensive stats for minor league players would be sparse). The thinking is that the Cubs would be fine no matter who plays where on defense out of those three. They are all above average defensive infielders.
I also would find it hard to believe that Russell doesn't get called up this year.
wanna hear an INSIDE HOT TAKE??????
Soler is a goshdarn animal. He was swinging like a damn pussy in the cages and it sounded like a stick of dynamite going off every time he made contact. I cant' imagine if he's really trying. He's the one they love the most of the most. Bryant is a close second. And coming up third is Schwarber. Apparently they think he's going to be the third best hitter out of all of these guys and he's going to be a legit player in the bigs. They're just trying to find a spot in the field for him and he's working on it all spring. Russell will be up very soon, and they're afraid of hurting Castro's feelings, so it's still kind of up in the air where he'll end up playing in the field.
What was with the Instagram video? I haven't kept up with Dubbs in a long time, so I don't really know how or why he ended up in the Cubs weight room but I know that I want to marry him more than ever now.
He was bunking with Jed Hoyer
Quote from: Fork on March 31, 2015, 03:18:33 PM
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7. Pissburgh
16. Tards
17. Reds
19. Brewers
Looks like it's going to be the Cubs and the Pirates battling it out for the NL Central for the next five years or so.
Quote from: Tonker on March 31, 2015, 03:26:21 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 31, 2015, 03:18:33 PM
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7. Pissburgh
16. Tards
17. Reds
19. Brewers
Looks like it's going to be the Cubs and the Pirates battling it out for the NL Central for the next five years or so.
Once Kevonte Mitchell becomes your favorite player, everything's jake.
Quote from: Tonker on March 31, 2015, 03:26:21 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 31, 2015, 03:18:33 PM
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7. Pissburgh
16. Tards
17. Reds
19. Brewers
Looks like it's going to be the Cubs and the Pirates battling it out for the NL Central for the next five years or so.
Don't kid yourself; the Cardinals are going to be good forever.
Quote from: R-V on March 31, 2015, 09:57:16 AM
Addison looks to my untrained eye like a guy who could/will pack some el-bees on to his Juan Uribe-esque frame. In which case I could see him playing 3B.
Don't sell yourself short, my husky-jeaned friend. You've put in enough time in the bigs to be my fat guy scout.
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Quote from: Eli on March 31, 2015, 04:05:15 PM
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7. Pissburgh
16. Tards
17. Reds
19. Brewers
Looks like it's going to be the Cubs and the Pirates battling it out for the NL Central for the next five years or so.
Don't kid yourself; the Cardinals are going to be good forever.
Yeah I don't really see where anyone ever has any reason to think they can discount the Cardinals at any time in the near future. Their organization is everything we HOPE the Cubs are becoming, i.e. loaded with young prospects while having the prospect depth and payroll flexibility to fill any need (like trading for Heyward). They're not going anywhere. I'm far more worried about them than Pittsburgh, considering Pittsburgh basically has no recourse if prospects flop.
Quote from: SKO on March 31, 2015, 04:19:14 PM
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7. Pissburgh
16. Tards
17. Reds
19. Brewers
Looks like it's going to be the Cubs and the Pirates battling it out for the NL Central for the next five years or so.
Don't kid yourself; the Cardinals are going to be good forever.
Yeah I don't really see where anyone ever has any reason to think they can discount the Cardinals at any time in the near future. Their organization is everything we HOPE the Cubs are becoming, i.e. loaded with young prospects while having the prospect depth and payroll flexibility to fill any need (like trading for Heyward). They're not going anywhere. I'm far more worried about them than Pittsburgh, considering Pittsburgh basically has no recourse if prospects flop.
Glug-glug, vroom-vroom, thump-thump.
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7. Pissburgh
16. Tards
17. Reds
19. Brewers
Looks like it's going to be the Cubs and the Pirates battling it out for the NL Central for the next five years or so.
Don't kid yourself; the Cardinals are going to be good forever.
Yeah I don't really see where anyone ever has any reason to think they can discount the Cardinals at any time in the near future. Their organization is everything we HOPE the Cubs are becoming, i.e. loaded with young prospects while having the prospect depth and payroll flexibility to fill any need (like trading for Heyward). They're not going anywhere. I'm far more worried about them than Pittsburgh, considering Pittsburgh basically has no recourse if prospects flop.
Glug-glug, vroom-vroom, thump-thump.
Yeah, but not even that has stopped them.
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Quote from: Oleg on March 31, 2015, 04:49:56 PM
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7. Pissburgh
16. Tards
17. Reds
19. Brewers
Looks like it's going to be the Cubs and the Pirates battling it out for the NL Central for the next five years or so.
Don't kid yourself; the Cardinals are going to be good forever.
Yeah I don't really see where anyone ever has any reason to think they can discount the Cardinals at any time in the near future. Their organization is everything we HOPE the Cubs are becoming, i.e. loaded with young prospects while having the prospect depth and payroll flexibility to fill any need (like trading for Heyward). They're not going anywhere. I'm far more worried about them than Pittsburgh, considering Pittsburgh basically has no recourse if prospects flop.
Glug-glug, vroom-vroom, thump-thump.
Yeah, but not even that has stopped them.
Just wait until they get their charter pilot drunk. Unless he's Denzel Washington, that'll do it.
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7. Pissburgh
16. Tards
17. Reds
19. Brewers
Looks like it's going to be the Cubs and the Pirates battling it out for the NL Central for the next five years or so.
Don't kid yourself; the Cardinals are going to be good forever.
Yeah I don't really see where anyone ever has any reason to think they can discount the Cardinals at any time in the near future. Their organization is everything we HOPE the Cubs are becoming, i.e. loaded with young prospects while having the prospect depth and payroll flexibility to fill any need (like trading for Heyward). They're not going anywhere. I'm far more worried about them than Pittsburgh, considering Pittsburgh basically has no recourse if prospects flop.
Yeah, I really hope the Cubs also hire a moron as manager.
Quote from: Tonker on April 01, 2015, 01:27:55 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 31, 2015, 04:19:14 PM
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7. Pissburgh
16. Tards
17. Reds
19. Brewers
Looks like it's going to be the Cubs and the Pirates battling it out for the NL Central for the next five years or so.
Don't kid yourself; the Cardinals are going to be good forever.
Yeah I don't really see where anyone ever has any reason to think they can discount the Cardinals at any time in the near future. Their organization is everything we HOPE the Cubs are becoming, i.e. loaded with young prospects while having the prospect depth and payroll flexibility to fill any need (like trading for Heyward). They're not going anywhere. I'm far more worried about them than Pittsburgh, considering Pittsburgh basically has no recourse if prospects flop.
Yeah, I really hope the Cubs also hire a moron as manager.
Yeah Matheny being a moron is great but he's also been to three straight NLCS. Considering we're talking about the Cardinals as contenders within the division for the next five years or so I don't think he's quite enough of a detriment to stop them.
No level of butthurt changes the fact that the Cardinals have been consistently good for a decade and a half and there's no reason to think they'll stop being good. I'll worry about battling Pittsburgh more than St. Louis for the division the year the Pirates, you know, actually win the division. Which has happened exactly zero times.
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7. Pissburgh
16. Tards
17. Reds
19. Brewers
Looks like it's going to be the Cubs and the Pirates battling it out for the NL Central for the next five years or so.
Don't kid yourself; the Cardinals are going to be good forever.
Yeah I don't really see where anyone ever has any reason to think they can discount the Cardinals at any time in the near future. Their organization is everything we HOPE the Cubs are becoming, i.e. loaded with young prospects while having the prospect depth and payroll flexibility to fill any need (like trading for Heyward). They're not going anywhere. I'm far more worried about them than Pittsburgh, considering Pittsburgh basically has no recourse if prospects flop.
Yeah, I really hope the Cubs also hire a moron as manager.
Yeah Matheny being a moron is great but he's also been to three straight NLCS. Considering we're talking about the Cardinals as contenders within the division for the next five years or so I don't think he's quite enough of a detriment to stop them.
No level of butthurt changes the fact that the Cardinals have been consistently good for a decade and a half and there's no reason to think they'll stop being good. I'll worry about battling Pittsburgh more than St. Louis for the division the year the Pirates, you know, actually win the division. Which has happened exactly zero times.
In 2-3 years, the Cubs will be such a colossal fucking juggernaut that the rest of the division will just be meat. Book it.
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7. Pissburgh
16. Tards
17. Reds
19. Brewers
Looks like it's going to be the Cubs and the Pirates battling it out for the NL Central for the next five years or so.
Don't kid yourself; the Cardinals are going to be good forever.
Yeah I don't really see where anyone ever has any reason to think they can discount the Cardinals at any time in the near future. Their organization is everything we HOPE the Cubs are becoming, i.e. loaded with young prospects while having the prospect depth and payroll flexibility to fill any need (like trading for Heyward). They're not going anywhere. I'm far more worried about them than Pittsburgh, considering Pittsburgh basically has no recourse if prospects flop.
Yeah, I really hope the Cubs also hire a moron as manager.
Yeah Matheny being a moron is great but he's also been to three straight NLCS. Considering we're talking about the Cardinals as contenders within the division for the next five years or so I don't think he's quite enough of a detriment to stop them.
No level of butthurt changes the fact that the Cardinals have been consistently good for a decade and a half and there's no reason to think they'll stop being good. I'll worry about battling Pittsburgh more than St. Louis for the division the year the Pirates, you know, actually win the division. Which has happened exactly zero times.
In 2-3 years, the Cubs will be such a colossal fucking juggernaut that the rest of the division will just be meat. Book it.
The Dodgers and Giants and Yankees (until just recently) and Red Sox have battled each other for supremacy in their divisions almost every year for the past two decades. Because the Cubs have been run by complete morons who make Mike Matheny look like Edward Barrow, we've been left out of that fun while the Cardinals kick our dicks in the dirt every single year save 3. Baseball is not basketball where you get two or three iconic players and lay waste to your entire league for as long as you can keep them healthy. All we can really ask for is a LAD/SF or NYY/BOS type of scenario between now and whenever the planet gets so fucked up that sports become secondary to basic survival and hording fresh water. So you know five more good years, hopefully a World Series trophy and death to Hawk Harrelson. That's what's on the table now.
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7. Pissburgh
16. Tards
17. Reds
19. Brewers
Looks like it's going to be the Cubs and the Pirates battling it out for the NL Central for the next five years or so.
Don't kid yourself; the Cardinals are going to be good forever.
Yeah I don't really see where anyone ever has any reason to think they can discount the Cardinals at any time in the near future. Their organization is everything we HOPE the Cubs are becoming, i.e. loaded with young prospects while having the prospect depth and payroll flexibility to fill any need (like trading for Heyward). They're not going anywhere. I'm far more worried about them than Pittsburgh, considering Pittsburgh basically has no recourse if prospects flop.
Yeah, I really hope the Cubs also hire a moron as manager.
Yeah Matheny being a moron is great but he's also been to three straight NLCS. Considering we're talking about the Cardinals as contenders within the division for the next five years or so I don't think he's quite enough of a detriment to stop them.
No level of butthurt changes the fact that the Cardinals have been consistently good for a decade and a half and there's no reason to think they'll stop being good. I'll worry about battling Pittsburgh more than St. Louis for the division the year the Pirates, you know, actually win the division. Which has happened exactly zero times.
And back to the original point, dismissing them based on one publication ranking their farm system as middle-of-the-pack in one year (after several years of top 10 rankings) seems pretty short-sighted, especially for Tonk, OF WHOM I'D EXPECT BETTER.
I mean, I know we as Cubs fans have based our entire fandom on farm system rankings for the past five years, but c'mon.
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Quote from: Tonker on March 31, 2015, 03:26:21 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 31, 2015, 03:18:33 PM
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7. Pissburgh
16. Tards
17. Reds
19. Brewers
Looks like it's going to be the Cubs and the Pirates battling it out for the NL Central for the next five years or so.
Don't kid yourself; the Cardinals are going to be good forever.
Yeah I don't really see where anyone ever has any reason to think they can discount the Cardinals at any time in the near future. Their organization is everything we HOPE the Cubs are becoming, i.e. loaded with young prospects while having the prospect depth and payroll flexibility to fill any need (like trading for Heyward). They're not going anywhere. I'm far more worried about them than Pittsburgh, considering Pittsburgh basically has no recourse if prospects flop.
Yeah, I really hope the Cubs also hire a moron as manager.
Yeah Matheny being a moron is great but he's also been to three straight NLCS. Considering we're talking about the Cardinals as contenders within the division for the next five years or so I don't think he's quite enough of a detriment to stop them.
No level of butthurt changes the fact that the Cardinals have been consistently good for a decade and a half and there's no reason to think they'll stop being good. I'll worry about battling Pittsburgh more than St. Louis for the division the year the Pirates, you know, actually win the division. Which has happened exactly zero times.
And back to the original point, dismissing them based on one publication ranking their farm system as middle-of-the-pack in one year (after several years of top 10 rankings) seems pretty short-sighted, especially for Tonk, OF WHOM I'D EXPECT BETTER.
I mean, I know we as Cubs fans have based our entire fandom on farm system rankings for the past five years, but c'mon.
In 2010, BA.com had the Cardinals ranked 29th on this same list. At the time it seemed fair, but: http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/toronto-blue-jays-draft-aaron-sanchez-dalton-pompey-alex-anthopoulos-reyes-buehrle-dickey-040115 (used the link because of the easy to use quote)
QuoteIn recent years, I've written and talked a lot about the brilliance of the Cardinals' 2009 draft. The team's bounty that year included Shelby Miller (first round), Joe Kelly (third), Matt Carpenter (13th), Trevor Rosenthal (21st) and Matt Adams (23rd).
So, really, who fucking knows.
Quote from: Eli on April 01, 2015, 08:51:08 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 08:14:30 AM
Quote from: Tonker on April 01, 2015, 01:27:55 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 31, 2015, 04:19:14 PM
Quote from: Eli on March 31, 2015, 04:05:15 PM
Quote from: Tonker on March 31, 2015, 03:26:21 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 31, 2015, 03:18:33 PM
Baseball America has a Cubs' prospects FUTUREBONER (http://www.baseballamerica.com/majors/2015-organization-talent-rankings/) as well.
7. Pissburgh
16. Tards
17. Reds
19. Brewers
Looks like it's going to be the Cubs and the Pirates battling it out for the NL Central for the next five years or so.
Don't kid yourself; the Cardinals are going to be good forever.
Yeah I don't really see where anyone ever has any reason to think they can discount the Cardinals at any time in the near future. Their organization is everything we HOPE the Cubs are becoming, i.e. loaded with young prospects while having the prospect depth and payroll flexibility to fill any need (like trading for Heyward). They're not going anywhere. I'm far more worried about them than Pittsburgh, considering Pittsburgh basically has no recourse if prospects flop.
Yeah, I really hope the Cubs also hire a moron as manager.
Yeah Matheny being a moron is great but he's also been to three straight NLCS. Considering we're talking about the Cardinals as contenders within the division for the next five years or so I don't think he's quite enough of a detriment to stop them.
No level of butthurt changes the fact that the Cardinals have been consistently good for a decade and a half and there's no reason to think they'll stop being good. I'll worry about battling Pittsburgh more than St. Louis for the division the year the Pirates, you know, actually win the division. Which has happened exactly zero times.
And back to the original point, dismissing them based on one publication ranking their farm system as middle-of-the-pack in one year (after several years of top 10 rankings) seems pretty short-sighted, especially for Tonk, OF WHOM I'D EXPECT BETTER.
I mean, I know we as Cubs fans have based our entire fandom on farm system rankings for the past five years, but c'mon.
Jesus Christ. I thought I was just, fairly quietly, fantasising about the Tards' possible demise. I didn't realise it would mean I'd have to justify my ludicrous outburst to a Grand Jury.
Quote from: Tonker on April 01, 2015, 09:28:16 AM
Jesus Christ. I thought I was just, fairly quietly, fantasising about the Tards' possible demise. I didn't realise it would mean I'd have to justify my ludicrous outburst to a Grand Jury.
I assume something must have gotten lost in translation with the language barrier.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 01, 2015, 08:50:49 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 01, 2015, 08:29:26 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 08:14:30 AM
Quote from: Tonker on April 01, 2015, 01:27:55 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 31, 2015, 04:19:14 PM
Quote from: Eli on March 31, 2015, 04:05:15 PM
Quote from: Tonker on March 31, 2015, 03:26:21 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 31, 2015, 03:18:33 PM
Baseball America has a Cubs' prospects FUTUREBONER (http://www.baseballamerica.com/majors/2015-organization-talent-rankings/) as well.
7. Pissburgh
16. Tards
17. Reds
19. Brewers
Looks like it's going to be the Cubs and the Pirates battling it out for the NL Central for the next five years or so.
Don't kid yourself; the Cardinals are going to be good forever.
Yeah I don't really see where anyone ever has any reason to think they can discount the Cardinals at any time in the near future. Their organization is everything we HOPE the Cubs are becoming, i.e. loaded with young prospects while having the prospect depth and payroll flexibility to fill any need (like trading for Heyward). They're not going anywhere. I'm far more worried about them than Pittsburgh, considering Pittsburgh basically has no recourse if prospects flop.
Yeah, I really hope the Cubs also hire a moron as manager.
Yeah Matheny being a moron is great but he's also been to three straight NLCS. Considering we're talking about the Cardinals as contenders within the division for the next five years or so I don't think he's quite enough of a detriment to stop them.
No level of butthurt changes the fact that the Cardinals have been consistently good for a decade and a half and there's no reason to think they'll stop being good. I'll worry about battling Pittsburgh more than St. Louis for the division the year the Pirates, you know, actually win the division. Which has happened exactly zero times.
In 2-3 years, the Cubs will be such a colossal fucking juggernaut that the rest of the division will just be meat. Book it.
The Dodgers and Giants and Yankees (until just recently) and Red Sox have battled each other for supremacy in their divisions almost every year for the past two decades. Because the Cubs have been run by complete morons who make Mike Matheny look like Edward Barrow, we've been left out of that fun while the Cardinals kick our dicks in the dirt every single year save 3. Baseball is not basketball where you get two or three iconic players and lay waste to your entire league for as long as you can keep them healthy. All we can really ask for is a LAD/SF or NYY/BOS type of scenario between now and whenever the planet gets so fucked up that sports become secondary to basic survival and hording fresh water. So you know five more good years, hopefully a World Series trophy and death to Hawk Harrelson. That's what's on the table now.
Let's also remember this year is the Cubs' (hopefully) last year of a top 10 pick, and all the slot space that comes with having a bad season. So they get to re-stock the pond to replace Bryant, Soler, et al. And the brave new world of MLB free agency with surrendering draft picks and whatnot means the Yankees are heading for that late-80s/early 90s spell of having colossal payrolls and free time in October. All we have to do now is hope there's not a Bob Watson or Gene Michael there who knows how to run a scouting staff so they can actually draft some good players while picking up the Paul O'Neills and Scott Brosiuses of the world. It's Jepstink's time to do that now.
Quote from: Fork on April 01, 2015, 10:12:47 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 01, 2015, 08:50:49 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 01, 2015, 08:29:26 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 08:14:30 AM
Quote from: Tonker on April 01, 2015, 01:27:55 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 31, 2015, 04:19:14 PM
Quote from: Eli on March 31, 2015, 04:05:15 PM
Quote from: Tonker on March 31, 2015, 03:26:21 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 31, 2015, 03:18:33 PM
Baseball America has a Cubs' prospects FUTUREBONER (http://www.baseballamerica.com/majors/2015-organization-talent-rankings/) as well.
7. Pissburgh
16. Tards
17. Reds
19. Brewers
Looks like it's going to be the Cubs and the Pirates battling it out for the NL Central for the next five years or so.
Don't kid yourself; the Cardinals are going to be good forever.
Yeah I don't really see where anyone ever has any reason to think they can discount the Cardinals at any time in the near future. Their organization is everything we HOPE the Cubs are becoming, i.e. loaded with young prospects while having the prospect depth and payroll flexibility to fill any need (like trading for Heyward). They're not going anywhere. I'm far more worried about them than Pittsburgh, considering Pittsburgh basically has no recourse if prospects flop.
Yeah, I really hope the Cubs also hire a moron as manager.
Yeah Matheny being a moron is great but he's also been to three straight NLCS. Considering we're talking about the Cardinals as contenders within the division for the next five years or so I don't think he's quite enough of a detriment to stop them.
No level of butthurt changes the fact that the Cardinals have been consistently good for a decade and a half and there's no reason to think they'll stop being good. I'll worry about battling Pittsburgh more than St. Louis for the division the year the Pirates, you know, actually win the division. Which has happened exactly zero times.
In 2-3 years, the Cubs will be such a colossal fucking juggernaut that the rest of the division will just be meat. Book it.
The Dodgers and Giants and Yankees (until just recently) and Red Sox have battled each other for supremacy in their divisions almost every year for the past two decades. Because the Cubs have been run by complete morons who make Mike Matheny look like Edward Barrow, we've been left out of that fun while the Cardinals kick our dicks in the dirt every single year save 3. Baseball is not basketball where you get two or three iconic players and lay waste to your entire league for as long as you can keep them healthy. All we can really ask for is a LAD/SF or NYY/BOS type of scenario between now and whenever the planet gets so fucked up that sports become secondary to basic survival and hording fresh water. So you know five more good years, hopefully a World Series trophy and death to Hawk Harrelson. That's what's on the table now.
Let's also remember this year is the Cubs' (hopefully) last year of a top 10 pick, and all the slot space that comes with having a bad season. So they get to re-stock the pond to replace Bryant, Soler, et al. And the brave new world of MLB free agency with surrendering draft picks and whatnot means the Yankees are heading for that late-80s/early 90s spell of having colossal payrolls and free time in October. All we have to do now is hope there's not a Bob Watson or Gene Michael there who knows how to run a scouting staff so they can actually draft some good players while picking up the Paul O'Neills and Scott Brosiuses of the world. It's Jepstink's time to do that now.
Yeah but other teams know how to draft well, too, and are already good and loaded with players. The Dodgers have a great farm system, and Puig and Kershaw are far from done. The Cardinals haven't had to rebuild at any point in the last 15 years, they just keep replacing good players they lose to FA with smart FA pickups and good draft picks.
It's not dumb to think the Cubs are about to start a good run of success, it's dumb to think them getting better also means that the current NL heavyweights are getting worse.
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 10:23:30 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 01, 2015, 10:12:47 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 01, 2015, 08:50:49 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 01, 2015, 08:29:26 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 08:14:30 AM
Quote from: Tonker on April 01, 2015, 01:27:55 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 31, 2015, 04:19:14 PM
Quote from: Eli on March 31, 2015, 04:05:15 PM
Quote from: Tonker on March 31, 2015, 03:26:21 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 31, 2015, 03:18:33 PM
Baseball America has a Cubs' prospects FUTUREBONER (http://www.baseballamerica.com/majors/2015-organization-talent-rankings/) as well.
7. Pissburgh
16. Tards
17. Reds
19. Brewers
Looks like it's going to be the Cubs and the Pirates battling it out for the NL Central for the next five years or so.
Don't kid yourself; the Cardinals are going to be good forever.
Yeah I don't really see where anyone ever has any reason to think they can discount the Cardinals at any time in the near future. Their organization is everything we HOPE the Cubs are becoming, i.e. loaded with young prospects while having the prospect depth and payroll flexibility to fill any need (like trading for Heyward). They're not going anywhere. I'm far more worried about them than Pittsburgh, considering Pittsburgh basically has no recourse if prospects flop.
Yeah, I really hope the Cubs also hire a moron as manager.
Yeah Matheny being a moron is great but he's also been to three straight NLCS. Considering we're talking about the Cardinals as contenders within the division for the next five years or so I don't think he's quite enough of a detriment to stop them.
No level of butthurt changes the fact that the Cardinals have been consistently good for a decade and a half and there's no reason to think they'll stop being good. I'll worry about battling Pittsburgh more than St. Louis for the division the year the Pirates, you know, actually win the division. Which has happened exactly zero times.
In 2-3 years, the Cubs will be such a colossal fucking juggernaut that the rest of the division will just be meat. Book it.
The Dodgers and Giants and Yankees (until just recently) and Red Sox have battled each other for supremacy in their divisions almost every year for the past two decades. Because the Cubs have been run by complete morons who make Mike Matheny look like Edward Barrow, we've been left out of that fun while the Cardinals kick our dicks in the dirt every single year save 3. Baseball is not basketball where you get two or three iconic players and lay waste to your entire league for as long as you can keep them healthy. All we can really ask for is a LAD/SF or NYY/BOS type of scenario between now and whenever the planet gets so fucked up that sports become secondary to basic survival and hording fresh water. So you know five more good years, hopefully a World Series trophy and death to Hawk Harrelson. That's what's on the table now.
Let's also remember this year is the Cubs' (hopefully) last year of a top 10 pick, and all the slot space that comes with having a bad season. So they get to re-stock the pond to replace Bryant, Soler, et al. And the brave new world of MLB free agency with surrendering draft picks and whatnot means the Yankees are heading for that late-80s/early 90s spell of having colossal payrolls and free time in October. All we have to do now is hope there's not a Bob Watson or Gene Michael there who knows how to run a scouting staff so they can actually draft some good players while picking up the Paul O'Neills and Scott Brosiuses of the world. It's Jepstink's time to do that now.
Yeah but other teams know how to draft well, too, and are already good and loaded with players. The Dodgers have a great farm system, and Puig and Kershaw are far from done. The Cardinals haven't had to rebuild at any point in the last 15 years, they just keep replacing good players they lose to FA with smart FA pickups and good draft picks.
It's not dumb to think the Cubs are about to start a good run of success, it's dumb to think them getting better also means that the current NL heavyweights are getting worse.
Chicago does have access to a huge fresh water source though, so it's going to be prime real estate when the world economy collapses in the next few years. That should be boner time indeed.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 01, 2015, 10:25:23 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 10:23:30 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 01, 2015, 10:12:47 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 01, 2015, 08:50:49 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 01, 2015, 08:29:26 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 08:14:30 AM
Quote from: Tonker on April 01, 2015, 01:27:55 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 31, 2015, 04:19:14 PM
Quote from: Eli on March 31, 2015, 04:05:15 PM
Quote from: Tonker on March 31, 2015, 03:26:21 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 31, 2015, 03:18:33 PM
Baseball America has a Cubs' prospects FUTUREBONER (http://www.baseballamerica.com/majors/2015-organization-talent-rankings/) as well.
7. Pissburgh
16. Tards
17. Reds
19. Brewers
Looks like it's going to be the Cubs and the Pirates battling it out for the NL Central for the next five years or so.
Don't kid yourself; the Cardinals are going to be good forever.
Yeah I don't really see where anyone ever has any reason to think they can discount the Cardinals at any time in the near future. Their organization is everything we HOPE the Cubs are becoming, i.e. loaded with young prospects while having the prospect depth and payroll flexibility to fill any need (like trading for Heyward). They're not going anywhere. I'm far more worried about them than Pittsburgh, considering Pittsburgh basically has no recourse if prospects flop.
Yeah, I really hope the Cubs also hire a moron as manager.
Yeah Matheny being a moron is great but he's also been to three straight NLCS. Considering we're talking about the Cardinals as contenders within the division for the next five years or so I don't think he's quite enough of a detriment to stop them.
No level of butthurt changes the fact that the Cardinals have been consistently good for a decade and a half and there's no reason to think they'll stop being good. I'll worry about battling Pittsburgh more than St. Louis for the division the year the Pirates, you know, actually win the division. Which has happened exactly zero times.
In 2-3 years, the Cubs will be such a colossal fucking juggernaut that the rest of the division will just be meat. Book it.
The Dodgers and Giants and Yankees (until just recently) and Red Sox have battled each other for supremacy in their divisions almost every year for the past two decades. Because the Cubs have been run by complete morons who make Mike Matheny look like Edward Barrow, we've been left out of that fun while the Cardinals kick our dicks in the dirt every single year save 3. Baseball is not basketball where you get two or three iconic players and lay waste to your entire league for as long as you can keep them healthy. All we can really ask for is a LAD/SF or NYY/BOS type of scenario between now and whenever the planet gets so fucked up that sports become secondary to basic survival and hording fresh water. So you know five more good years, hopefully a World Series trophy and death to Hawk Harrelson. That's what's on the table now.
Let's also remember this year is the Cubs' (hopefully) last year of a top 10 pick, and all the slot space that comes with having a bad season. So they get to re-stock the pond to replace Bryant, Soler, et al. And the brave new world of MLB free agency with surrendering draft picks and whatnot means the Yankees are heading for that late-80s/early 90s spell of having colossal payrolls and free time in October. All we have to do now is hope there's not a Bob Watson or Gene Michael there who knows how to run a scouting staff so they can actually draft some good players while picking up the Paul O'Neills and Scott Brosiuses of the world. It's Jepstink's time to do that now.
Yeah but other teams know how to draft well, too, and are already good and loaded with players. The Dodgers have a great farm system, and Puig and Kershaw are far from done. The Cardinals haven't had to rebuild at any point in the last 15 years, they just keep replacing good players they lose to FA with smart FA pickups and good draft picks.
It's not dumb to think the Cubs are about to start a good run of success, it's dumb to think them getting better also means that the current NL heavyweights are getting worse.
Chicago does have access to a huge fresh water source though, so it's going to be prime real estate when the world economy collapses in the next few years. That should be boner time indeed.
You clearly need help, son, but God love ya I'm not gonna be the one to give it to you. Stock up on guns and vodka while you still can.
This whole debate is Desipio's April Fool right
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 10:23:30 AM
Yeah but other teams know how to draft well, too, and are already good and loaded with players.
No they don't. Theo patented drafting and developing good players. No one else can do it now without paying royalties to the Cubs.
Quote from: Eli on April 01, 2015, 11:11:43 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 10:23:30 AM
Yeah but other teams know how to draft well, too, and are already good and loaded with players.
No they don't. Theo patented drafting and developing good players. No one else can do it now without paying royalties to the Cubs.
Phew! I was worried when I saw what SKO posted.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 01, 2015, 10:33:33 AM
This whole debate is Desipio's April Fool right
It's a shame that CT has retired as arbiter of irony because I'd be very interested to hear what he had to say about this post.
Quote from: Tonker on April 01, 2015, 11:59:14 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 01, 2015, 10:33:33 AM
This whole debate is Desipio's April Fool right
It's a shame that CT has retired as arbiter of irony because I'd be very interested to hear what he had to say about this post.
It was enough to have RV rolling over in his grave.
Quote from: Tonker on April 01, 2015, 11:59:14 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 01, 2015, 10:33:33 AM
This whole debate is Desipio's April Fool right
It's a shame that CT has retired as arbiter of irony because I'd be very interested to hear what he had to say about this post.
Maybe
that was the true April Fool's joke.
It's not, though.
DPD. Joe Sheehan on Addison Russell:
QuoteIs there some reason other than tenure why Javier Baez is thought of as ahead of Addison Russell? Russell's the far better shortstop and the more polished hitter, and only a spring injury prevented him from advancing to the majors last year. Russell doesn't have Baez's bat speed; on the other hand, he can tell a ball from a strike and has internalized the idea that you don't have to swing at every pitch. The bigger issue, to me, is defense. Russell is absolutely a shortstop in the majors, and of the Cubs' three candidates for the position, he's the best defender by far. Russell hit .302/.355/.529 at Double-A last year, with reasonable plate discipline numbers. For all of the attention paid to Kris Bryant and his demotion this spring, I'm far more interested in seeing how the Cubs handle their three shortstops, whether they quickly come around to the idea that Russell is the future, and how they align the other two with that idea in mind.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 01, 2015, 12:40:50 PM
DPD. Joe Sheehan on Addison Russell:
QuoteIs there some reason other than tenure why Javier Baez is thought of as ahead of Addison Russell? Russell's the far better shortstop and the more polished hitter, and only a spring injury prevented him from advancing to the majors last year. Russell doesn't have Baez's bat speed; on the other hand, he can tell a ball from a strike and has internalized the idea that you don't have to swing at every pitch. The bigger issue, to me, is defense. Russell is absolutely a shortstop in the majors, and of the Cubs' three candidates for the position, he's the best defender by far. Russell hit .302/.355/.529 at Double-A last year, with reasonable plate discipline numbers. For all of the attention paid to Kris Bryant and his demotion this spring, I'm far more interested in seeing how the Cubs handle their three shortstops, whether they quickly come around to the idea that Russell is the future, and how they align the other two with that idea in mind.
I wouldn't agree that Russell is "by far" better, defensively, than either of the other two, let alone Baez.
Still, 1060*'s looking pretty damn legit.
*Pen-approved nickname
Quote from: PANK! on April 01, 2015, 12:53:25 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 01, 2015, 12:40:50 PM
DPD. Joe Sheehan on Addison Russell:
QuoteIs there some reason other than tenure why Javier Baez is thought of as ahead of Addison Russell? Russell's the far better shortstop and the more polished hitter, and only a spring injury prevented him from advancing to the majors last year. Russell doesn't have Baez's bat speed; on the other hand, he can tell a ball from a strike and has internalized the idea that you don't have to swing at every pitch. The bigger issue, to me, is defense. Russell is absolutely a shortstop in the majors, and of the Cubs' three candidates for the position, he's the best defender by far. Russell hit .302/.355/.529 at Double-A last year, with reasonable plate discipline numbers. For all of the attention paid to Kris Bryant and his demotion this spring, I'm far more interested in seeing how the Cubs handle their three shortstops, whether they quickly come around to the idea that Russell is the future, and how they align the other two with that idea in mind.
I wouldn't agree that Russell is "by far" better, defensively, than either of the other two, let alone Baez.
Still, 1060*'s looking pretty damn legit.
*Pen-approved nickname
Who is Sheehan talking to that views Baez as ahead of Russell, anyway?
Pretty sure Russell is ranked as a top five prospect by nearly everyone, which Javy is not, and just based on my own discussions with people and this messageboard it sure seems that most Cubs fans would rather part with Baez or Castro than part with Russell in all of their imaginary trades. Seems like a weird strawman he's arguing with.
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 12:57:36 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 01, 2015, 12:53:25 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 01, 2015, 12:40:50 PM
DPD. Joe Sheehan on Addison Russell:
QuoteIs there some reason other than tenure why Javier Baez is thought of as ahead of Addison Russell? Russell's the far better shortstop and the more polished hitter, and only a spring injury prevented him from advancing to the majors last year. Russell doesn't have Baez's bat speed; on the other hand, he can tell a ball from a strike and has internalized the idea that you don't have to swing at every pitch. The bigger issue, to me, is defense. Russell is absolutely a shortstop in the majors, and of the Cubs' three candidates for the position, he's the best defender by far. Russell hit .302/.355/.529 at Double-A last year, with reasonable plate discipline numbers. For all of the attention paid to Kris Bryant and his demotion this spring, I'm far more interested in seeing how the Cubs handle their three shortstops, whether they quickly come around to the idea that Russell is the future, and how they align the other two with that idea in mind.
I wouldn't agree that Russell is "by far" better, defensively, than either of the other two, let alone Baez.
Still, 1060*'s looking pretty damn legit.
*Pen-approved nickname
Who is Sheehan talking to that views Baez as ahead of Russell, anyway?
Pretty sure Russell is ranked as a top five prospect by nearly everyone, which Javy is not, and just based on my own discussions with people and this messageboard it sure seems that most Cubs fans would rather part with Baez or Castro than part with Russell in all of their imaginary trades. Seems like a weird strawman he's arguing with.
I don't know that he's arguing with a straw man; I read that as stating the simple fact that Baez was promoted first. Therefore, in most casual fans' minds — unlike the minds of pathetically obsessed sadsacks like us — he's ahead of Russell. Javier isn't ranked as a top five prospect anymore because he exceeded rookie limits in 2014. No longer a prospect. He was right there at the top of the boards (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=baez--000jav) before then though.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 01, 2015, 01:09:34 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 12:57:36 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 01, 2015, 12:53:25 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 01, 2015, 12:40:50 PM
DPD. Joe Sheehan on Addison Russell:
QuoteIs there some reason other than tenure why Javier Baez is thought of as ahead of Addison Russell? Russell's the far better shortstop and the more polished hitter, and only a spring injury prevented him from advancing to the majors last year. Russell doesn't have Baez's bat speed; on the other hand, he can tell a ball from a strike and has internalized the idea that you don't have to swing at every pitch. The bigger issue, to me, is defense. Russell is absolutely a shortstop in the majors, and of the Cubs' three candidates for the position, he's the best defender by far. Russell hit .302/.355/.529 at Double-A last year, with reasonable plate discipline numbers. For all of the attention paid to Kris Bryant and his demotion this spring, I'm far more interested in seeing how the Cubs handle their three shortstops, whether they quickly come around to the idea that Russell is the future, and how they align the other two with that idea in mind.
I wouldn't agree that Russell is "by far" better, defensively, than either of the other two, let alone Baez.
Still, 1060*'s looking pretty damn legit.
*Pen-approved nickname
Who is Sheehan talking to that views Baez as ahead of Russell, anyway?
Pretty sure Russell is ranked as a top five prospect by nearly everyone, which Javy is not, and just based on my own discussions with people and this messageboard it sure seems that most Cubs fans would rather part with Baez or Castro than part with Russell in all of their imaginary trades. Seems like a weird strawman he's arguing with.
I don't know that he's arguing with a straw man; I read that as stating the simple fact that Baez was promoted first. Therefore, in most casual fans' minds — unlike the minds of pathetically obsessed sadsacks like us — he's ahead of Russell. Javier isn't ranked as a top five prospect anymore because he exceeded rookie limits in 2014. No longer a prospect. He was right there at the top of the boards (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=baez--000jav) before then though.
Oh well it seems like he wasted a lot of time typing when he could have written this then:
QuoteIs there some reason other than tenure why Javier Baez is thought of as ahead of Addison Russell?
No, no there is not.
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 01:20:40 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 01, 2015, 01:09:34 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 12:57:36 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 01, 2015, 12:53:25 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 01, 2015, 12:40:50 PM
DPD. Joe Sheehan on Addison Russell:
QuoteIs there some reason other than tenure why Javier Baez is thought of as ahead of Addison Russell? Russell's the far better shortstop and the more polished hitter, and only a spring injury prevented him from advancing to the majors last year. Russell doesn't have Baez's bat speed; on the other hand, he can tell a ball from a strike and has internalized the idea that you don't have to swing at every pitch. The bigger issue, to me, is defense. Russell is absolutely a shortstop in the majors, and of the Cubs' three candidates for the position, he's the best defender by far. Russell hit .302/.355/.529 at Double-A last year, with reasonable plate discipline numbers. For all of the attention paid to Kris Bryant and his demotion this spring, I'm far more interested in seeing how the Cubs handle their three shortstops, whether they quickly come around to the idea that Russell is the future, and how they align the other two with that idea in mind.
I wouldn't agree that Russell is "by far" better, defensively, than either of the other two, let alone Baez.
Still, 1060*'s looking pretty damn legit.
*Pen-approved nickname
Who is Sheehan talking to that views Baez as ahead of Russell, anyway?
Pretty sure Russell is ranked as a top five prospect by nearly everyone, which Javy is not, and just based on my own discussions with people and this messageboard it sure seems that most Cubs fans would rather part with Baez or Castro than part with Russell in all of their imaginary trades. Seems like a weird strawman he's arguing with.
I don't know that he's arguing with a straw man; I read that as stating the simple fact that Baez was promoted first. Therefore, in most casual fans' minds — unlike the minds of pathetically obsessed sadsacks like us — he's ahead of Russell. Javier isn't ranked as a top five prospect anymore because he exceeded rookie limits in 2014. No longer a prospect. He was right there at the top of the boards (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=baez--000jav) before then though.
Oh well it seems like he wasted a lot of time typing when he could have written this then:
QuoteIs there some reason other than tenure why Javier Baez is thought of as ahead of Addison Russell?
No, no there is not.
Ok.
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 01:20:40 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 01, 2015, 01:09:34 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 12:57:36 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 01, 2015, 12:53:25 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 01, 2015, 12:40:50 PM
DPD. Joe Sheehan on Addison Russell:
QuoteIs there some reason other than tenure why Javier Baez is thought of as ahead of Addison Russell? Russell's the far better shortstop and the more polished hitter, and only a spring injury prevented him from advancing to the majors last year. Russell doesn't have Baez's bat speed; on the other hand, he can tell a ball from a strike and has internalized the idea that you don't have to swing at every pitch. The bigger issue, to me, is defense. Russell is absolutely a shortstop in the majors, and of the Cubs' three candidates for the position, he's the best defender by far. Russell hit .302/.355/.529 at Double-A last year, with reasonable plate discipline numbers. For all of the attention paid to Kris Bryant and his demotion this spring, I'm far more interested in seeing how the Cubs handle their three shortstops, whether they quickly come around to the idea that Russell is the future, and how they align the other two with that idea in mind.
I wouldn't agree that Russell is "by far" better, defensively, than either of the other two, let alone Baez.
Still, 1060*'s looking pretty damn legit.
*Pen-approved nickname
Who is Sheehan talking to that views Baez as ahead of Russell, anyway?
Pretty sure Russell is ranked as a top five prospect by nearly everyone, which Javy is not, and just based on my own discussions with people and this messageboard it sure seems that most Cubs fans would rather part with Baez or Castro than part with Russell in all of their imaginary trades. Seems like a weird strawman he's arguing with.
I don't know that he's arguing with a straw man; I read that as stating the simple fact that Baez was promoted first. Therefore, in most casual fans' minds — unlike the minds of pathetically obsessed sadsacks like us — he's ahead of Russell. Javier isn't ranked as a top five prospect anymore because he exceeded rookie limits in 2014. No longer a prospect. He was right there at the top of the boards (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=baez--000jav) before then though.
Oh well it seems like he wasted a lot of time typing when he could have written this then:
QuoteIs there some reason other than tenure why Javier Baez is thought of as ahead of Addison Russell?
No, no there is not.
What Sterling said.
Also, CT, is it ironic that SKO is criticizing a writer for their lack of brevity?
The real April Fool's joke is that you guys are taking Joe Fucking Sheehan seriously, right?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 01, 2015, 12:40:50 PM
DPD. Joe Sheehan on Addison Russell:
QuoteIs there some reason other than tenure why Javier Baez is thought of as ahead of Addison Russell? Russell's the far better shortstop and the more polished hitter, and only a spring injury prevented him from advancing to the majors last year. Russell doesn't have Baez's bat speed; on the other hand, he can tell a ball from a strike and has internalized the idea that you don't have to swing at every pitch. The bigger issue, to me, is defense. Russell is absolutely a shortstop in the majors, and of the Cubs' three candidates for the position, he's the best defender by far. Russell hit .302/.355/.529 at Double-A last year, with reasonable plate discipline numbers. For all of the attention paid to Kris Bryant and his demotion this spring, I'm far more interested in seeing how the Cubs handle their three shortstops, whether they quickly come around to the idea that Russell is the future, and how they align the other two with that idea in mind.
Of the three, Russell has the lowest range factor and Baez has the highest.
I don't think the Cubs are in any danger no matter who plays SS out of those three, though. And the fact that Russell "internalized the idea" of not swinging at everything and can tell balls from strikes is something something call him up.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 01, 2015, 10:25:23 AM
Chicago does have access to a huge fresh water source though, so it's going to be prime real estate when the world economy collapses in the next few years. That should be boner time indeed.
And we've already rigged everything to float all of our piss and shit down to St. Louis.
Quote from: PANK! on April 01, 2015, 12:53:25 PM
*Pen-approved nickname
There's a feather in someone's cap.
Quote from: Oleg on April 01, 2015, 02:34:31 PM
The real April Fool's joke is that you guys are taking Joe Fucking Sheehan seriously, right?
I am not familiar with whatever it is that forever discredited Sheehan from writing down thoughts on baseball. But until you start your own newsletter, what choice do the rest of us have?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 01, 2015, 02:53:40 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 01, 2015, 02:34:31 PM
The real April Fool's joke is that you guys are taking Joe Fucking Sheehan seriously, right?
I am not familiar with whatever it is that forever discredited Sheehan from writing down thoughts on baseball. But until you start your own newsletter, what choice do the rest of us have?
I just realized I got him mixed up with Joel Fucking Sherman. Sorry. April Fool's?
Quote from: Oleg on April 01, 2015, 02:55:50 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 01, 2015, 02:53:40 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 01, 2015, 02:34:31 PM
The real April Fool's joke is that you guys are taking Joe Fucking Sheehan seriously, right?
I am not familiar with whatever it is that forever discredited Sheehan from writing down thoughts on baseball. But until you start your own newsletter, what choice do the rest of us have?
I just realized I got him mixed up with Joel Fucking Sherman. Sorry. April Fool's?
Way to go, asshole.
Quote from: Oleg on April 01, 2015, 02:55:50 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 01, 2015, 02:53:40 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 01, 2015, 02:34:31 PM
The real April Fool's joke is that you guys are taking Joe Fucking Sheehan seriously, right?
I am not familiar with whatever it is that forever discredited Sheehan from writing down thoughts on baseball. But until you start your own newsletter, what choice do the rest of us have?
I just realized I got him mixed up with Joel Fucking Sherman. Sorry. April Fool's?
Oh, Sherman, OF COURSE. I thought you might have been thinking of Joe "Paterno Did Nothing Wrong, Also Please Buy My Book (http://deadspin.com/5936084/the-six-things-you-should-know-about-joe-posnanskis-paterno-book)" Posnanski. Too many Joe(l)s.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 01, 2015, 01:25:03 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 01:20:40 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 01, 2015, 01:09:34 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 12:57:36 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 01, 2015, 12:53:25 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 01, 2015, 12:40:50 PM
DPD. Joe Sheehan on Addison Russell:
QuoteIs there some reason other than tenure why Javier Baez is thought of as ahead of Addison Russell? Russell's the far better shortstop and the more polished hitter, and only a spring injury prevented him from advancing to the majors last year. Russell doesn't have Baez's bat speed; on the other hand, he can tell a ball from a strike and has internalized the idea that you don't have to swing at every pitch. The bigger issue, to me, is defense. Russell is absolutely a shortstop in the majors, and of the Cubs' three candidates for the position, he's the best defender by far. Russell hit .302/.355/.529 at Double-A last year, with reasonable plate discipline numbers. For all of the attention paid to Kris Bryant and his demotion this spring, I'm far more interested in seeing how the Cubs handle their three shortstops, whether they quickly come around to the idea that Russell is the future, and how they align the other two with that idea in mind.
I wouldn't agree that Russell is "by far" better, defensively, than either of the other two, let alone Baez.
Still, 1060*'s looking pretty damn legit.
*Pen-approved nickname
Who is Sheehan talking to that views Baez as ahead of Russell, anyway?
Pretty sure Russell is ranked as a top five prospect by nearly everyone, which Javy is not, and just based on my own discussions with people and this messageboard it sure seems that most Cubs fans would rather part with Baez or Castro than part with Russell in all of their imaginary trades. Seems like a weird strawman he's arguing with.
I don't know that he's arguing with a straw man; I read that as stating the simple fact that Baez was promoted first. Therefore, in most casual fans' minds — unlike the minds of pathetically obsessed sadsacks like us — he's ahead of Russell. Javier isn't ranked as a top five prospect anymore because he exceeded rookie limits in 2014. No longer a prospect. He was right there at the top of the boards (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=baez--000jav) before then though.
Oh well it seems like he wasted a lot of time typing when he could have written this then:
QuoteIs there some reason other than tenure why Javier Baez is thought of as ahead of Addison Russell?
No, no there is not.
Ok.
Sorry, I keep re-reading his quote and can't get past the first sentence: "is there a reason besides tenure Javy Baez is thought of as ahead of Addison Russell?" and I just don't think I was wrong to think he's implying that the consensus (or even just a lot of people) says that Javy> Addison. There really don't seem to be many, if any, people who think that, especially when Javy Baez just got sent down to AAA. If he's just talking about casual fans, like you said, who would think that Javy is ahead of Addison just because Javy got called up first, and not, say, the kind of people reading blogs about baseball prospects, why say that on a blog about baseball prospects?
Do we have a strawman arbiter or just an irony arbiter and a funny kinds of cancer arbiter? Because if we have a strawman arbiter I would like to officially state my case that Sheehan was implying there are a lot of people talking up Javy Baez as a better prospect than Addison Russell and I don't believe those people really exist.
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 03:30:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 01, 2015, 01:25:03 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 01:20:40 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 01, 2015, 01:09:34 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 12:57:36 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 01, 2015, 12:53:25 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 01, 2015, 12:40:50 PM
DPD. Joe Sheehan on Addison Russell:
QuoteIs there some reason other than tenure why Javier Baez is thought of as ahead of Addison Russell? Russell's the far better shortstop and the more polished hitter, and only a spring injury prevented him from advancing to the majors last year. Russell doesn't have Baez's bat speed; on the other hand, he can tell a ball from a strike and has internalized the idea that you don't have to swing at every pitch. The bigger issue, to me, is defense. Russell is absolutely a shortstop in the majors, and of the Cubs' three candidates for the position, he's the best defender by far. Russell hit .302/.355/.529 at Double-A last year, with reasonable plate discipline numbers. For all of the attention paid to Kris Bryant and his demotion this spring, I'm far more interested in seeing how the Cubs handle their three shortstops, whether they quickly come around to the idea that Russell is the future, and how they align the other two with that idea in mind.
I wouldn't agree that Russell is "by far" better, defensively, than either of the other two, let alone Baez.
Still, 1060*'s looking pretty damn legit.
*Pen-approved nickname
Who is Sheehan talking to that views Baez as ahead of Russell, anyway?
Pretty sure Russell is ranked as a top five prospect by nearly everyone, which Javy is not, and just based on my own discussions with people and this messageboard it sure seems that most Cubs fans would rather part with Baez or Castro than part with Russell in all of their imaginary trades. Seems like a weird strawman he's arguing with.
I don't know that he's arguing with a straw man; I read that as stating the simple fact that Baez was promoted first. Therefore, in most casual fans' minds — unlike the minds of pathetically obsessed sadsacks like us — he's ahead of Russell. Javier isn't ranked as a top five prospect anymore because he exceeded rookie limits in 2014. No longer a prospect. He was right there at the top of the boards (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=baez--000jav) before then though.
Oh well it seems like he wasted a lot of time typing when he could have written this then:
QuoteIs there some reason other than tenure why Javier Baez is thought of as ahead of Addison Russell?
No, no there is not.
Ok.
Sorry, I keep re-reading his quote and can't get past the first sentence: "is there a reason besides tenure Javy Baez is thought of as ahead of Addison Russell?" and I just don't think I was wrong to think he's implying that the consensus (or even just a lot of people) says that Javy> Addison. There really don't seem to be many, if any, people who think that, especially when Javy Baez just got sent down to AAA. If he's just talking about casual fans, like you said, who would think that Javy is ahead of Addison just because Javy got called up first, and not, say, the kind of people reading blogs about baseball prospects, why say that on a blog about baseball prospects?
Do we have a strawman arbiter or just an irony arbiter and a funny kinds of cancer arbiter? Because if we have a strawman arbiter I would like to officially state my case that Sheehan was implying there are a lot of people talking up Javy Baez as a better prospect than Addison Russell and I don't believe those people really exist.
DPD, but if he was just stating the simple fact that Javy was called up first I feel like he could have pretty clearly just said "even though Javy has 200 major league ABs under his belt, Russell is already the better and more polished product" or whatever.
Quote from: R-V on April 01, 2015, 02:15:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 01:20:40 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 01, 2015, 01:09:34 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 12:57:36 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 01, 2015, 12:53:25 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 01, 2015, 12:40:50 PM
DPD. Joe Sheehan on Addison Russell:
QuoteIs there some reason other than tenure why Javier Baez is thought of as ahead of Addison Russell? Russell's the far better shortstop and the more polished hitter, and only a spring injury prevented him from advancing to the majors last year. Russell doesn't have Baez's bat speed; on the other hand, he can tell a ball from a strike and has internalized the idea that you don't have to swing at every pitch. The bigger issue, to me, is defense. Russell is absolutely a shortstop in the majors, and of the Cubs' three candidates for the position, he's the best defender by far. Russell hit .302/.355/.529 at Double-A last year, with reasonable plate discipline numbers. For all of the attention paid to Kris Bryant and his demotion this spring, I'm far more interested in seeing how the Cubs handle their three shortstops, whether they quickly come around to the idea that Russell is the future, and how they align the other two with that idea in mind.
I wouldn't agree that Russell is "by far" better, defensively, than either of the other two, let alone Baez.
Still, 1060*'s looking pretty damn legit.
*Pen-approved nickname
Who is Sheehan talking to that views Baez as ahead of Russell, anyway?
Pretty sure Russell is ranked as a top five prospect by nearly everyone, which Javy is not, and just based on my own discussions with people and this messageboard it sure seems that most Cubs fans would rather part with Baez or Castro than part with Russell in all of their imaginary trades. Seems like a weird strawman he's arguing with.
I don't know that he's arguing with a straw man; I read that as stating the simple fact that Baez was promoted first. Therefore, in most casual fans' minds — unlike the minds of pathetically obsessed sadsacks like us — he's ahead of Russell. Javier isn't ranked as a top five prospect anymore because he exceeded rookie limits in 2014. No longer a prospect. He was right there at the top of the boards (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=baez--000jav) before then though.
Oh well it seems like he wasted a lot of time typing when he could have written this then:
QuoteIs there some reason other than tenure why Javier Baez is thought of as ahead of Addison Russell?
No, no there is not.
What Sterling said.
Also, CT, is it ironic that SKO is criticizing a writer for their lack of brevity?
TPD: yes.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on April 01, 2015, 02:42:09 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 01, 2015, 10:25:23 AM
Chicago does have access to a huge fresh water source though, so it's going to be prime real estate when the world economy collapses in the next few years. That should be boner time indeed.
And we've already rigged everything to float all of our piss and shit down to St. Louis.
Then they bottle it and sell it back to us as Budweiser.
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 03:30:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 01, 2015, 01:25:03 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 01:20:40 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 01, 2015, 01:09:34 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 12:57:36 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 01, 2015, 12:53:25 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 01, 2015, 12:40:50 PM
DPD. Joe Sheehan on Addison Russell:
QuoteIs there some reason other than tenure why Javier Baez is thought of as ahead of Addison Russell? Russell's the far better shortstop and the more polished hitter, and only a spring injury prevented him from advancing to the majors last year. Russell doesn't have Baez's bat speed; on the other hand, he can tell a ball from a strike and has internalized the idea that you don't have to swing at every pitch. The bigger issue, to me, is defense. Russell is absolutely a shortstop in the majors, and of the Cubs' three candidates for the position, he's the best defender by far. Russell hit .302/.355/.529 at Double-A last year, with reasonable plate discipline numbers. For all of the attention paid to Kris Bryant and his demotion this spring, I'm far more interested in seeing how the Cubs handle their three shortstops, whether they quickly come around to the idea that Russell is the future, and how they align the other two with that idea in mind.
I wouldn't agree that Russell is "by far" better, defensively, than either of the other two, let alone Baez.
Still, 1060*'s looking pretty damn legit.
*Pen-approved nickname
Who is Sheehan talking to that views Baez as ahead of Russell, anyway?
Pretty sure Russell is ranked as a top five prospect by nearly everyone, which Javy is not, and just based on my own discussions with people and this messageboard it sure seems that most Cubs fans would rather part with Baez or Castro than part with Russell in all of their imaginary trades. Seems like a weird strawman he's arguing with.
I don't know that he's arguing with a straw man; I read that as stating the simple fact that Baez was promoted first. Therefore, in most casual fans' minds — unlike the minds of pathetically obsessed sadsacks like us — he's ahead of Russell. Javier isn't ranked as a top five prospect anymore because he exceeded rookie limits in 2014. No longer a prospect. He was right there at the top of the boards (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=baez--000jav) before then though.
Oh well it seems like he wasted a lot of time typing when he could have written this then:
QuoteIs there some reason other than tenure why Javier Baez is thought of as ahead of Addison Russell?
No, no there is not.
Ok.
Sorry, I keep re-reading his quote and can't get past the first sentence: "is there a reason besides tenure Javy Baez is thought of as ahead of Addison Russell?" and I just don't think I was wrong to think he's implying that the consensus (or even just a lot of people) says that Javy> Addison. There really don't seem to be many, if any, people who think that, especially when Javy Baez just got sent down to AAA. If he's just talking about casual fans, like you said, who would think that Javy is ahead of Addison just because Javy got called up first, and not, say, the kind of people reading blogs about baseball prospects, why say that on a blog about baseball prospects?
Do we have a strawman arbiter or just an irony arbiter and a funny kinds of cancer arbiter? Because if we have a strawman arbiter I would like to officially state my case that Sheehan was implying there are a lot of people talking up Javy Baez as a better prospect than Addison Russell and I don't believe those people really exist.
Can we get the irony arbiter to rule about SKO claiming someone else made up a strawman?
Quote from: PenFoe on April 01, 2015, 04:13:59 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 03:30:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 01, 2015, 01:25:03 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 01:20:40 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 01, 2015, 01:09:34 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 12:57:36 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 01, 2015, 12:53:25 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 01, 2015, 12:40:50 PM
DPD. Joe Sheehan on Addison Russell:
QuoteIs there some reason other than tenure why Javier Baez is thought of as ahead of Addison Russell? Russell's the far better shortstop and the more polished hitter, and only a spring injury prevented him from advancing to the majors last year. Russell doesn't have Baez's bat speed; on the other hand, he can tell a ball from a strike and has internalized the idea that you don't have to swing at every pitch. The bigger issue, to me, is defense. Russell is absolutely a shortstop in the majors, and of the Cubs' three candidates for the position, he's the best defender by far. Russell hit .302/.355/.529 at Double-A last year, with reasonable plate discipline numbers. For all of the attention paid to Kris Bryant and his demotion this spring, I'm far more interested in seeing how the Cubs handle their three shortstops, whether they quickly come around to the idea that Russell is the future, and how they align the other two with that idea in mind.
I wouldn't agree that Russell is "by far" better, defensively, than either of the other two, let alone Baez.
Still, 1060*'s looking pretty damn legit.
*Pen-approved nickname
Who is Sheehan talking to that views Baez as ahead of Russell, anyway?
Pretty sure Russell is ranked as a top five prospect by nearly everyone, which Javy is not, and just based on my own discussions with people and this messageboard it sure seems that most Cubs fans would rather part with Baez or Castro than part with Russell in all of their imaginary trades. Seems like a weird strawman he's arguing with.
I don't know that he's arguing with a straw man; I read that as stating the simple fact that Baez was promoted first. Therefore, in most casual fans' minds — unlike the minds of pathetically obsessed sadsacks like us — he's ahead of Russell. Javier isn't ranked as a top five prospect anymore because he exceeded rookie limits in 2014. No longer a prospect. He was right there at the top of the boards (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=baez--000jav) before then though.
Oh well it seems like he wasted a lot of time typing when he could have written this then:
QuoteIs there some reason other than tenure why Javier Baez is thought of as ahead of Addison Russell?
No, no there is not.
Ok.
Sorry, I keep re-reading his quote and can't get past the first sentence: "is there a reason besides tenure Javy Baez is thought of as ahead of Addison Russell?" and I just don't think I was wrong to think he's implying that the consensus (or even just a lot of people) says that Javy> Addison. There really don't seem to be many, if any, people who think that, especially when Javy Baez just got sent down to AAA. If he's just talking about casual fans, like you said, who would think that Javy is ahead of Addison just because Javy got called up first, and not, say, the kind of people reading blogs about baseball prospects, why say that on a blog about baseball prospects?
Do we have a strawman arbiter or just an irony arbiter and a funny kinds of cancer arbiter? Because if we have a strawman arbiter I would like to officially state my case that Sheehan was implying there are a lot of people talking up Javy Baez as a better prospect than Addison Russell and I don't believe those people really exist.
Can we get the irony arbiter to rule about SKO claiming someone else made up a strawman?
Can I get the shut your stupid facehole Pen arbiter to rule that Pen can shut his stupid facehole
After thinking about this all afternoon, I do think that Sheehan has a point.
Let's say that Castro gets hurt on May 1. Who gets the call-up? If your answer is Russell, I think you're wrong and I think many in the industry would think you're wrong. Baez, as it currently stands, is higher on the depth chart than Russell. That may not be the case by the All-Star break (I kind of hope it's still the case cause it would mean Baez is having a damn good year) but it is the case now.
Russell has just over 1000 PA in the minors, including 13 in AAA.
Baez has 1350 PA in the minors, including 430 in AAA. Plus, whatever he got in the majors last year.
I'm not saying the depth chart is right or wrong but I can see why Baez is thought of to be "ahead" of Russell right now.
Quote from: Oleg on April 01, 2015, 05:52:00 PM
After thinking about this all afternoon, I do think that Sheehan has a point.
Let's say that Castro gets hurt on May 1. Who gets the call-up? If your answer is Russell, I think you're wrong and I think many in the industry would think you're wrong. Baez, as it currently stands, is higher on the depth chart than Russell. That may not be the case by the All-Star break (I kind of hope it's still the case cause it would mean Baez is having a damn good year) but it is the case now.
Russell has just over 1000 PA in the minors, including 13 in AAA.
Baez has 1350 PA in the minors, including 430 in AAA. Plus, whatever he got in the majors last year.
I'm not saying the depth chart is right or wrong but I can see why Baez is thought of to be "ahead" of Russell right now.
Intrepid Reader: SKO
Shut up, you dirty Cossack.
Quote from: PANK! on April 01, 2015, 06:58:23 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 01, 2015, 05:52:00 PM
After thinking about this all afternoon, I do think that Sheehan has a point.
Let's say that Castro gets hurt on May 1. Who gets the call-up? If your answer is Russell, I think you're wrong and I think many in the industry would think you're wrong. Baez, as it currently stands, is higher on the depth chart than Russell. That may not be the case by the All-Star break (I kind of hope it's still the case cause it would mean Baez is having a damn good year) but it is the case now.
Russell has just over 1000 PA in the minors, including 13 in AAA.
Baez has 1350 PA in the minors, including 430 in AAA. Plus, whatever he got in the majors last year.
I'm not saying the depth chart is right or wrong but I can see why Baez is thought of to be "ahead" of Russell right now.
Intrepid Reader: SKO
Shut up, you dirty Cossack.
It's "you lousy damn Cossack" but otherwise spot on
Quote from: Oleg on April 01, 2015, 05:52:00 PM
After thinking about this all afternoon, I do think that Sheehan has a point.
Let's say that Castro gets hurt on May 1. Who gets the call-up? If your answer is Russell, I think you're wrong and I think many in the industry would think you're wrong. Baez, as it currently stands, is higher on the depth chart than Russell. That may not be the case by the All-Star break (I kind of hope it's still the case cause it would mean Baez is having a damn good year) but it is the case now.
Russell has just over 1000 PA in the minors, including 13 in AAA.
Baez has 1350 PA in the minors, including 430 in AAA. Plus, whatever he got in the majors last year.
I'm not saying the depth chart is right or wrong but I can see why Baez is thought of to be "ahead" of Russell right now.
If Castro got hurt, they'd also have the option of putting Alcantara at short and bringing somebody else up. The point of Baez in Iowa is for him to figure out the strike zone and make contact. Throwing him back into the big league fire before that and you just got yourself the next Corey Patterson or Felix Pie.
Quote from: Oleg on April 01, 2015, 05:52:00 PM
After thinking about this all afternoon, I do think that Sheehan has a point.
Let's say that Castro gets hurt on May 1. Who gets the call-up? If your answer is Russell, I think you're wrong and I think many in the industry would think you're wrong. Baez, as it currently stands, is higher on the depth chart than Russell. That may not be the case by the All-Star break (I kind of hope it's still the case cause it would mean Baez is having a damn good year) but it is the case now.
Russell has just over 1000 PA in the minors, including 13 in AAA.
Baez has 1350 PA in the minors, including 430 in AAA. Plus, whatever he got in the majors last year.
I'm not saying the depth chart is right or wrong but I can see why Baez is thought of to be "ahead" of Russell right now.
Also if all you're using is Baez having more experience and ABs doesn't that just go back to my original glib answer of "no" for Sheehan's question about whether there's any reason other than tenure to put Baez ahead of Russell? The fact is consensus is most definitely that Russell is the better prospect, depth chart be damned (if we're going depth chart would Sheehan say Olt is ahead of Bryant?). Sheehan's sentence made it sound like the consensus is Baez> Russell and I don't think that's remotely true.
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 08:17:30 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 01, 2015, 05:52:00 PM
After thinking about this all afternoon, I do think that Sheehan has a point.
Let's say that Castro gets hurt on May 1. Who gets the call-up? If your answer is Russell, I think you're wrong and I think many in the industry would think you're wrong. Baez, as it currently stands, is higher on the depth chart than Russell. That may not be the case by the All-Star break (I kind of hope it's still the case cause it would mean Baez is having a damn good year) but it is the case now.
Russell has just over 1000 PA in the minors, including 13 in AAA.
Baez has 1350 PA in the minors, including 430 in AAA. Plus, whatever he got in the majors last year.
I'm not saying the depth chart is right or wrong but I can see why Baez is thought of to be "ahead" of Russell right now.
Also if all you're using is Baez having more experience and ABs doesn't that just go back to my original glib answer of "no" for Sheehan's question about whether there's any reason other than tenure to put Baez ahead of Russell? The fact is consensus is most definitely that Russell is the better prospect, depth chart be damned (if we're going depth chart would Sheehan say Olt is ahead of Bryant?). Sheehan's sentence made it sound like the consensus is Baez> Russell and I don't think that's remotely true.
Pretty sure you've made that really clear at this point.
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 08:17:30 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 01, 2015, 05:52:00 PM
After thinking about this all afternoon, I do think that Sheehan has a point.
Let's say that Castro gets hurt on May 1. Who gets the call-up? If your answer is Russell, I think you're wrong and I think many in the industry would think you're wrong. Baez, as it currently stands, is higher on the depth chart than Russell. That may not be the case by the All-Star break (I kind of hope it's still the case cause it would mean Baez is having a damn good year) but it is the case now.
Russell has just over 1000 PA in the minors, including 13 in AAA.
Baez has 1350 PA in the minors, including 430 in AAA. Plus, whatever he got in the majors last year.
I'm not saying the depth chart is right or wrong but I can see why Baez is thought of to be "ahead" of Russell right now.
Also if all you're using is Baez having more experience and ABs doesn't that just go back to my original glib answer of "no" for Sheehan's question about whether there's any reason other than tenure to put Baez ahead of Russell? The fact is consensus is most definitely that Russell is the better prospect, depth chart be damned (if we're going depth chart would Sheehan say Olt is ahead of Bryant?). Sheehan's sentence made it sound like the consensus is Baez> Russell and I don't think that's remotely true.
1. I meant the idea that Sheehan is arguing against some strawman is not true.
Quote from: Fork on April 01, 2015, 08:06:19 PM
If Castro got hurt, they'd also have the option of putting Alcantara at short and bringing somebody else up. The point of Baez in Iowa is for him to figure out the strike zone and make contact. Throwing him back into the big league fire before that and you just got yourself the next Corey Patterson or Felix Pie.
2. Regardless of who gets the call first, I'm pretty sure that Baez is still further up on the depth chart than Russell...right now.
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 08:17:30 PM
Also if all you're using is Baez having more experience and ABs doesn't that just go back to my original glib answer of "no" for Sheehan's question about whether there's any reason other than tenure to put Baez ahead of Russell? The fact is consensus is most definitely that Russell is the better prospect, depth chart be damned (if we're going depth chart would Sheehan say Olt is ahead of Bryant?). Sheehan's sentence made it sound like the consensus is Baez> Russell and I don't think that's remotely true.
3. Olt is ahead of Bryant on the depth chart seeing as how Olt will, presumably, be the starting 3B on opening day while Bryant will be in Iowa.
The point isn't who's better. The point, I think that Sheehan is making, is that it seems dumb to have Baez ahead of Russell on the depth chart. I just don't think that's true and, furthermore, I think it's kind of a dumb game to play. The odds are greatly stacked against a 21 year old having success at the major league level without significant playing time in AAA. We can talk about hitting approach or defense or strike outs or whatever. The fact is, if it came down to Baez vs Russell starting for The Cubs on May 1st (or whatever date in the near future), I'd take Baez. Maybe what I'm saying is that, in this case, tenure matters.
Quote from: Oleg on April 01, 2015, 11:25:53 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 08:17:30 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 01, 2015, 05:52:00 PM
After thinking about this all afternoon, I do think that Sheehan has a point.
Let's say that Castro gets hurt on May 1. Who gets the call-up? If your answer is Russell, I think you're wrong and I think many in the industry would think you're wrong. Baez, as it currently stands, is higher on the depth chart than Russell. That may not be the case by the All-Star break (I kind of hope it's still the case cause it would mean Baez is having a damn good year) but it is the case now.
Russell has just over 1000 PA in the minors, including 13 in AAA.
Baez has 1350 PA in the minors, including 430 in AAA. Plus, whatever he got in the majors last year.
I'm not saying the depth chart is right or wrong but I can see why Baez is thought of to be "ahead" of Russell right now.
Also if all you're using is Baez having more experience and ABs doesn't that just go back to my original glib answer of "no" for Sheehan's question about whether there's any reason other than tenure to put Baez ahead of Russell? The fact is consensus is most definitely that Russell is the better prospect, depth chart be damned (if we're going depth chart would Sheehan say Olt is ahead of Bryant?). Sheehan's sentence made it sound like the consensus is Baez> Russell and I don't think that's remotely true.
1. I meant the idea that Sheehan is arguing against some strawman is not true.
Quote from: Fork on April 01, 2015, 08:06:19 PM
If Castro got hurt, they'd also have the option of putting Alcantara at short and bringing somebody else up. The point of Baez in Iowa is for him to figure out the strike zone and make contact. Throwing him back into the big league fire before that and you just got yourself the next Corey Patterson or Felix Pie.
2. Regardless of who gets the call first, I'm pretty sure that Baez is still further up on the depth chart than Russell...right now.
Quote from: SKO on April 01, 2015, 08:17:30 PM
Also if all you're using is Baez having more experience and ABs doesn't that just go back to my original glib answer of "no" for Sheehan's question about whether there's any reason other than tenure to put Baez ahead of Russell? The fact is consensus is most definitely that Russell is the better prospect, depth chart be damned (if we're going depth chart would Sheehan say Olt is ahead of Bryant?). Sheehan's sentence made it sound like the consensus is Baez> Russell and I don't think that's remotely true.
3. Olt is ahead of Bryant on the depth chart seeing as how Olt will, presumably, be the starting 3B on opening day while Bryant will be in Iowa.
The point isn't who's better. The point, I think that Sheehan is making, is that it seems dumb to have Baez ahead of Russell on the depth chart. I just don't think that's true and, furthermore, I think it's kind of a dumb game to play. The odds are greatly stacked against a 21 year old having success at the major league level without significant playing time in AAA. We can talk about hitting approach or defense or strike outs or whatever. The fact is, if it came down to Baez vs Russell starting for The Cubs on May 1st (or whatever date in the near future), I'd take Baez. Maybe what I'm saying is that, in this case, tenure matters.
Your argument makes sense to me, but I still don't think that's what he's trying to say. I declare this debate over anyway because I'm bored with it.
Let's all take about how Jorge Soler is a living God.
Quote from: SKO on April 02, 2015, 08:31:31 AM
Let's all take about how Jorge Soler is a living God.
What a world we live in, where Jorge Soler is one of the least-discussed prospects in the Cubs' system, because it's basically a given that he's going to fucking rule.
He is indeed a beautiful man.
Quote from: SKO on April 02, 2015, 08:31:31 AM
Let's all take about how Jorge Soler is a living God.
I'd join his cult.
Quote from: Oleg on April 02, 2015, 09:46:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 02, 2015, 08:31:31 AM
Let's all take about how Jorge Soler is a living God.
I'd join his cult.
Holy crap, that contact.
PS, is Soler even a prospect anymore? He's...what, good? Yeah, he's fucking good.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 02, 2015, 09:49:23 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 02, 2015, 09:46:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 02, 2015, 08:31:31 AM
Let's all take about how Jorge Soler is a living God.
I'd join his cult.
Holy crap, that contact.
PS, is Soler even a prospect anymore? He's...what, good? Yeah, he's fucking good.
Oh he's still a prospect. He only played, what, 24 major league games last year? I think he's even still eligible for ROTY. Meaning he and Bryant will split the vote and some undeserving asshole will get it.
Quote from: SKO on April 02, 2015, 09:58:28 AM
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Quote from: Oleg on April 02, 2015, 09:46:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 02, 2015, 08:31:31 AM
Let's all take about how Jorge Soler is a living God.
I'd join his cult.
Holy crap, that contact.
PS, is Soler even a prospect anymore? He's...what, good? Yeah, he's fucking good.
Oh he's still a prospect. He only played, what, 24 major league games last year? I think he's even still eligible for ROTY. Meaning he and Bryant will split the vote and some undeserving asshole will get it.
Addison Russell.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 02, 2015, 10:07:10 AM
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Quote from: Oleg on April 02, 2015, 09:46:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 02, 2015, 08:31:31 AM
Let's all take about how Jorge Soler is a living God.
I'd join his cult.
Holy crap, that contact.
PS, is Soler even a prospect anymore? He's...what, good? Yeah, he's fucking good.
Oh he's still a prospect. He only played, what, 24 major league games last year? I think he's even still eligible for ROTY. Meaning he and Bryant will split the vote and some undeserving asshole will get it.
Addison Russell.
I doubt someone who's currently below Baez is going to get ROTY.
Quote from: Eli on April 02, 2015, 10:08:53 AM
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Quote from: Oleg on April 02, 2015, 09:46:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 02, 2015, 08:31:31 AM
Let's all take about how Jorge Soler is a living God.
I'd join his cult.
Holy crap, that contact.
PS, is Soler even a prospect anymore? He's...what, good? Yeah, he's fucking good.
Oh he's still a prospect. He only played, what, 24 major league games last year? I think he's even still eligible for ROTY. Meaning he and Bryant will split the vote and some undeserving asshole will get it.
Addison Russell.
I doubt someone who's currently below Baez is going to get ROTY.
But, Baez might. Right?
Quote from: Oleg on April 02, 2015, 10:10:37 AM
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Quote from: Oleg on April 02, 2015, 09:46:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 02, 2015, 08:31:31 AM
Let's all take about how Jorge Soler is a living God.
I'd join his cult.
Holy crap, that contact.
PS, is Soler even a prospect anymore? He's...what, good? Yeah, he's fucking good.
Oh he's still a prospect. He only played, what, 24 major league games last year? I think he's even still eligible for ROTY. Meaning he and Bryant will split the vote and some undeserving asshole will get it.
Addison Russell.
I doubt someone who's currently below Baez is going to get ROTY.
But, Baez might. Right?
Baez has too many ABs to qualify I thought
Quote from: SKO on April 02, 2015, 10:25:38 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 02, 2015, 10:10:37 AM
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Quote from: SKO on April 02, 2015, 09:58:28 AM
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Quote from: Oleg on April 02, 2015, 09:46:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 02, 2015, 08:31:31 AM
Let's all take about how Jorge Soler is a living God.
I'd join his cult.
Holy crap, that contact.
PS, is Soler even a prospect anymore? He's...what, good? Yeah, he's fucking good.
Oh he's still a prospect. He only played, what, 24 major league games last year? I think he's even still eligible for ROTY. Meaning he and Bryant will split the vote and some undeserving asshole will get it.
Addison Russell.
I doubt someone who's currently below Baez is going to get ROTY.
But, Baez might. Right?
Baez has too many ABs to qualify I thought
You're right. Stupid depth chart.
Quote from: Oleg on April 02, 2015, 10:10:37 AM
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Quote from: SKO on April 02, 2015, 09:58:28 AM
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Quote from: Oleg on April 02, 2015, 09:46:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 02, 2015, 08:31:31 AM
Let's all take about how Jorge Soler is a living God.
I'd join his cult.
Holy crap, that contact.
PS, is Soler even a prospect anymore? He's...what, good? Yeah, he's fucking good.
Oh he's still a prospect. He only played, what, 24 major league games last year? I think he's even still eligible for ROTY. Meaning he and Bryant will split the vote and some undeserving asshole will get it.
Addison Russell.
I doubt someone who's currently below Baez is going to get ROTY.
But, Baez might. Right?
Only because Hedricks had too many IPs in 2014 to qualify this year.
Quote from: SKO on April 02, 2015, 09:58:28 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 02, 2015, 09:49:23 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 02, 2015, 09:46:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 02, 2015, 08:31:31 AM
Let's all take about how Jorge Soler is a living God.
I'd join his cult.
Holy crap, that contact.
PS, is Soler even a prospect anymore? He's...what, good? Yeah, he's fucking good.
Oh he's still a prospect. He only played, what, 24 major league games last year? I think he's even still eligible for ROTY. Meaning he and Bryant will split the vote and some undeserving asshole will get it.
That's not what happened in 1989.
Quote from: PANK! on April 02, 2015, 12:28:48 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 02, 2015, 09:58:28 AM
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Quote from: Oleg on April 02, 2015, 09:46:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 02, 2015, 08:31:31 AM
Let's all take about how Jorge Soler is a living God.
I'd join his cult.
Holy crap, that contact.
PS, is Soler even a prospect anymore? He's...what, good? Yeah, he's fucking good.
Oh he's still a prospect. He only played, what, 24 major league games last year? I think he's even still eligible for ROTY. Meaning he and Bryant will split the vote and some undeserving asshole will get it.
That's not what happened in 1989.
You could put Dwight Smith on Jerome Walton's shoulders and you still wouldn't get Jorge Soler.
Quote from: Fork on April 02, 2015, 12:51:01 PM
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Quote from: Oleg on April 02, 2015, 09:46:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 02, 2015, 08:31:31 AM
Let's all take about how Jorge Soler is a living God.
I'd join his cult.
Holy crap, that contact.
PS, is Soler even a prospect anymore? He's...what, good? Yeah, he's fucking good.
Oh he's still a prospect. He only played, what, 24 major league games last year? I think he's even still eligible for ROTY. Meaning he and Bryant will split the vote and some undeserving asshole will get it.
That's not what happened in 1989.
You could put Dwight Smith on Jerome Walton's shoulders and you still wouldn't get Jorge Soler.
Just don't put Jerome on to Dwight's shoulders 6 months after he won the ROY. Pretty sure the 30 pounds JW put on that offseason on his way out of the league in 5 years would've crushed Smith's shoulders, thus denying us his right-handed-pitching-dominance and circus-like comedic defensive play in Center Field on the whelming '93 Cubs.
Man...looking at the 1989 awards is kind of depressing.
But, Lonnie Smith was a 9 win player in 1989. Who knew?
Brett Saberhagen was a 10 win player.
Gregg Jefferies finished 3rd in the ROY voting in '89.
Quote from: Oleg on April 02, 2015, 03:29:29 PM
Man...looking at the 1989 awards is kind of depressing.
But, Lonnie Smith was a 9 win player in 1989. Who knew?
Brett Saberhagen was a 10 win player.
Gregg Jefferies finished 3rd in the ROY voting in '89.
Great, here comes Apex.
Quote from: Oleg on April 02, 2015, 03:29:29 PM
Man...looking at the 1989 awards is kind of depressing.
But, Lonnie Smith was a 9 win player in 1989. Who knew?
Brett Saberhagen was a 10 win player.
Gregg Jefferies finished 3rd in the ROY voting in '89.
Jefferies was the 1988/89 version of Kris Bryant. Not saying they'll have the same outcome, but Jefferies was every bit as much of a can't miss.
Quote from: Fork on April 02, 2015, 04:01:28 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 02, 2015, 03:29:29 PM
Man...looking at the 1989 awards is kind of depressing.
But, Lonnie Smith was a 9 win player in 1989. Who knew?
Brett Saberhagen was a 10 win player.
Gregg Jefferies finished 3rd in the ROY voting in '89.
Jefferies was the 1988/89 version of Kris Bryant. Not saying they'll have the same outcome, but Jefferies was every bit as much of a can't miss.
Todd Ziele
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Quote from: Fork on April 02, 2015, 04:01:28 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 02, 2015, 03:29:29 PM
Man...looking at the 1989 awards is kind of depressing.
But, Lonnie Smith was a 9 win player in 1989. Who knew?
Brett Saberhagen was a 10 win player.
Gregg Jefferies finished 3rd in the ROY voting in '89.
Jefferies was the 1988/89 version of Kris Bryant. Not saying they'll have the same outcome, but Jefferies was every bit as much of a can't miss.
Todd Ziele
yeah we can just stop this game now. It sucks.
Former FUTUREBONER Arodys Vizcaino popped for PEDs (https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/583735178889138177) - 80 game suspension.
La Stella looking awfully good right now.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 02, 2015, 03:56:25 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 02, 2015, 03:29:29 PM
Man...looking at the 1989 awards is kind of depressing.
But, Lonnie Smith was a 9 win player in 1989. Who knew?
Brett Saberhagen was a 10 win player.
Gregg Jefferies finished 3rd in the ROY voting in '89.
Great, here comes Apex.
I forget how I feel about Gregg Jefferies.
Quote from: SKO on April 02, 2015, 04:19:43 PM
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Quote from: Oleg on April 02, 2015, 03:29:29 PM
Man...looking at the 1989 awards is kind of depressing.
But, Lonnie Smith was a 9 win player in 1989. Who knew?
Brett Saberhagen was a 10 win player.
Gregg Jefferies finished 3rd in the ROY voting in '89.
Jefferies was the 1988/89 version of Kris Bryant. Not saying they'll have the same outcome, but Jefferies was every bit as much of a can't miss.
Todd Ziele
yeah we can just stop this game now. It sucks.
Not only does this game suck but it's completely irrelevant. Sabermetrics has changed the way that prospects (and players) are viewed. Baseball teams have simply gotten better at objective analysis and so has the way that prospects are ranked and looked at. There is simply more information to go off of when publications do their prospect rankings and new prospect evaluation publications have come along (Baseball prospectus, for one).
Plus, there is a much greater influx of Cuban talent, much of it of the impact variety, which has also affected the prospect landscape.
I look forward to Eli telling me I'm full of shit.
Quote from: Oleg on April 02, 2015, 04:46:08 PM
I look forward to Eli telling me I'm full of shit.
You're not. I think I posted something a while back (can't find it now) that took prospect rankings and career WAR and it showed an increasing correlation between the two. They're definitely way better than they used to be.
Edit: Found it. Sorry it's so huge*.
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2704939/PercentRanked.jpg)
* TWSS.
Quote from: Eli on April 02, 2015, 06:58:13 PM
Sorry it's so huge*.
* TWSS.
Doesn't ... quite ... work ... did you mean TWHS?
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Quote from: Eli on April 02, 2015, 06:58:13 PM
Sorry it's so huge*.
* TWSS.
Doesn't ... quite ... work ... did you mean TWHS?
No idea! Please explain comedy to me.
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Quote from: Oleg on April 02, 2015, 03:29:29 PM
Man...looking at the 1989 awards is kind of depressing.
But, Lonnie Smith was a 9 win player in 1989. Who knew?
Brett Saberhagen was a 10 win player.
Gregg Jefferies finished 3rd in the ROY voting in '89.
Jefferies was the 1988/89 version of Kris Bryant. Not saying they'll have the same outcome, but Jefferies was every bit as much of a can't miss.
Todd Ziele
yeah we can just stop this game now. It sucks.
Stop being such a Steve Bilko.
Quote from: Fork on April 02, 2015, 08:43:41 PM
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Quote from: Oleg on April 02, 2015, 03:29:29 PM
Man...looking at the 1989 awards is kind of depressing.
But, Lonnie Smith was a 9 win player in 1989. Who knew?
Brett Saberhagen was a 10 win player.
Gregg Jefferies finished 3rd in the ROY voting in '89.
Jefferies was the 1988/89 version of Kris Bryant. Not saying they'll have the same outcome, but Jefferies was every bit as much of a can't miss.
Todd Ziele
yeah we can just stop this game now. It sucks.
Stop being such a Steve Bilko.
Surely you meant Sergeant Bilko.
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Quote from: Oleg on April 02, 2015, 03:29:29 PM
Man...looking at the 1989 awards is kind of depressing.
But, Lonnie Smith was a 9 win player in 1989. Who knew?
Brett Saberhagen was a 10 win player.
Gregg Jefferies finished 3rd in the ROY voting in '89.
Jefferies was the 1988/89 version of Kris Bryant. Not saying they'll have the same outcome, but Jefferies was every bit as much of a can't miss.
Todd Ziele
yeah we can just stop this game now. It sucks.
Stop being such a Steve Bilko.
Surely you meant Sergeant Bilko.
Or Steve Biko.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 03, 2015, 09:51:39 AM
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Quote from: Oleg on April 02, 2015, 03:29:29 PM
Man...looking at the 1989 awards is kind of depressing.
But, Lonnie Smith was a 9 win player in 1989. Who knew?
Brett Saberhagen was a 10 win player.
Gregg Jefferies finished 3rd in the ROY voting in '89.
Jefferies was the 1988/89 version of Kris Bryant. Not saying they'll have the same outcome, but Jefferies was every bit as much of a can't miss.
Todd Ziele
yeah we can just stop this game now. It sucks.
Stop being such a Steve Bilko.
Surely you meant Sergeant Bilko.
Or Steve Biko.
Don't call me Shirley.
Quote from: CBStew on April 03, 2015, 09:25:58 AM
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Quote from: Fork on April 02, 2015, 04:01:28 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 02, 2015, 03:29:29 PM
Man...looking at the 1989 awards is kind of depressing.
But, Lonnie Smith was a 9 win player in 1989. Who knew?
Brett Saberhagen was a 10 win player.
Gregg Jefferies finished 3rd in the ROY voting in '89.
Jefferies was the 1988/89 version of Kris Bryant. Not saying they'll have the same outcome, but Jefferies was every bit as much of a can't miss.
Todd Ziele
yeah we can just stop this game now. It sucks.
Stop being such a Steve Bilko.
Surely you meant Sergeant Bilko.
One was named after the other.
Quote from: Eli on April 02, 2015, 06:58:13 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 02, 2015, 04:46:08 PM
I look forward to Eli telling me I'm full of shit.
You're not. I think I posted something a while back (can't find it now) that took prospect rankings and career WAR and it showed an increasing correlation between the two. They're definitely way better than they used to be.
Edit: Found it. Sorry it's so huge*.
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2704939/PercentRanked.jpg)
* TWSS.
Yeah, there was a lot more emphasis back then on drafting high school kids in particular, it seems like, and a lot of focus on toolsy players like Tyler Colvin. Seems like teams have spent less time focusing on physical traits and more on makeup, plate discipline, etc.
Quote from: SKO on April 03, 2015, 12:04:57 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 02, 2015, 06:58:13 PM
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I look forward to Eli telling me I'm full of shit.
You're not. I think I posted something a while back (can't find it now) that took prospect rankings and career WAR and it showed an increasing correlation between the two. They're definitely way better than they used to be.
Edit: Found it. Sorry it's so huge*.
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2704939/PercentRanked.jpg)
* TWSS.
Yeah, there was a lot more emphasis back then on drafting high school kids in particular, it seems like, and a lot of focus on toolsy players like Tyler Colvin. Seems like teams have spent less time focusing on physical traits and more on makeup, plate discipline, etc.
Not to belabor the point but I don't think it's how the teams draft that makes the comparisons accurate but how the players are evaluated by third parties.
In other words, the same players are getting drafted (30 teams x 50 rounds is a lot of players). It's not like Gregg Jefferies wouldn't get picked; it's that he just wouldn't be as highly thought of as a prospect. I dunno...whatever it is, comparing the top 10 prospects today to the top 10 prospects of 1989 is silly.
Quote from: Oleg on April 03, 2015, 12:17:07 PM
In other words, the same players are getting drafted (30 teams x 50 rounds is a lot of players). It's not like Gregg Jefferies wouldn't get picked; it's that he just wouldn't be as highly thought of as a prospect. I dunno...whatever it is, comparing the top 10 prospects today to the top 10 prospects of 1989 is silly.
I would like to see an analysis of how well players do corresponding to their actual rank. This primarily shows that publications are no longer completely whiffing on most future stars. It'd be interesting to see if their top 10-20s have gotten more accurate over time.
Quote from: Eli on April 02, 2015, 06:58:13 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 02, 2015, 04:46:08 PM
I look forward to Eli telling me I'm full of shit.
You're not. I think I posted something a while back (can't find it now) that took prospect rankings and career WAR and it showed an increasing correlation between the two. They're definitely way better than they used to be.
Edit: Found it. Sorry it's so huge*.
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2704939/PercentRanked.jpg)
* TWSS.
That's an interesting chart to be sure, but it probably bears mentioning that it only goes back to 1990 for a reason --that's when BA started releasing their Top 100 list. So the first years of that chart are effectively meaningless if you're looking to see a long term trend.
From 1990-2000 you'd have:
1) an increasing percentage of those initial post-1990 classes matriculating in to the majors and becoming top players
2) an increasing number of top MLB players who were prospects pre-1990 dropping out/retiring/etc
After 1995 or so, the first effect is no longer an issue.
Even in the late 90s, you still had a lot of top players (Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, Clemens, Johnson, Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, Schilling, Griffey, Belle, Brown, Finley, Leiter, etc) who never would have been able to be rated on a BA list occupying a good chunk of the "Top 100 MLB Players" list.
You'd probably need to either ignore the data up to 2000-ish when looking at the overall trend, or (even better) ignore players players who debuted prior to mid-1989 when calculating the percentage (i.e. your formula for the y-axis would be:
# of players among Top 100 MLB who debuted after June 1989 and were on BA's Top 100
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# of players among Top 100 MLB who debuted after June 1989
Quote from: Eli on April 03, 2015, 12:59:34 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 03, 2015, 12:17:07 PM
In other words, the same players are getting drafted (30 teams x 50 rounds is a lot of players). It's not like Gregg Jefferies wouldn't get picked; it's that he just wouldn't be as highly thought of as a prospect. I dunno...whatever it is, comparing the top 10 prospects today to the top 10 prospects of 1989 is silly.
I would like to see an analysis of how well players do corresponding to their actual rank. This primarily shows that publications are no longer completely whiffing on most future stars. It'd be interesting to see if their top 10-20s have gotten more accurate over time.
I'd guess yes, since there is a lot more data being collected and analyzed. While a guy like Kris Bryant would be a top prospect in any era, there is probably a lot more accuracy among the guys who aren't necessarily no-brainers.
Quote from: Fork on April 03, 2015, 01:09:28 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 03, 2015, 12:59:34 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 03, 2015, 12:17:07 PM
In other words, the same players are getting drafted (30 teams x 50 rounds is a lot of players). It's not like Gregg Jefferies wouldn't get picked; it's that he just wouldn't be as highly thought of as a prospect. I dunno...whatever it is, comparing the top 10 prospects today to the top 10 prospects of 1989 is silly.
I would like to see an analysis of how well players do corresponding to their actual rank. This primarily shows that publications are no longer completely whiffing on most future stars. It'd be interesting to see if their top 10-20s have gotten more accurate over time.
I'd guess yes, since there is a lot more data being collected and analyzed. While a guy like Kris Bryant would be a top prospect in any era, there is probably a lot more accuracy among the guys who aren't necessarily no-brainers.
Well for instance I think a guy like Corey Patterson would have had way more red flags coming into the majors today (he also presumably wouldn't have gotten promoted despite posting an OPS under .700 in AAA in 2001). Analysis has evolved to the point where you don't just wave away a guys issues because of his tools.
As excited as people were for Javy to make his debut nearly everyone involved knew there was a huge chance this guy was going to flat out bust because he swings at everything, and we were pretty prepared for it. Corey would have been sniffed out as a guy who wasn't going to make contact or take a walk in the majors before he had a chance to get our hopes built up too high.
Quote from: SKO on April 03, 2015, 01:25:57 PM
Quote from: Fork on April 03, 2015, 01:09:28 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 03, 2015, 12:59:34 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 03, 2015, 12:17:07 PM
In other words, the same players are getting drafted (30 teams x 50 rounds is a lot of players). It's not like Gregg Jefferies wouldn't get picked; it's that he just wouldn't be as highly thought of as a prospect. I dunno...whatever it is, comparing the top 10 prospects today to the top 10 prospects of 1989 is silly.
I would like to see an analysis of how well players do corresponding to their actual rank. This primarily shows that publications are no longer completely whiffing on most future stars. It'd be interesting to see if their top 10-20s have gotten more accurate over time.
I'd guess yes, since there is a lot more data being collected and analyzed. While a guy like Kris Bryant would be a top prospect in any era, there is probably a lot more accuracy among the guys who aren't necessarily no-brainers.
Well for instance I think a guy like Corey Patterson would have had way more red flags coming into the majors today (he also presumably wouldn't have gotten promoted despite posting an OPS under .700 in AAA in 2001). Analysis has evolved to the point where you don't just wave away a guys issues because of his tools.
As excited as people were for Javy to make his debut nearly everyone involved knew there was a huge chance this guy was going to flat out bust because he swings at everything, and we were pretty prepared for it. Corey would have been sniffed out as a guy who wasn't going to make contact or take a walk in the majors before he had a chance to get our hopes built up too high.
DPD, but I guess using Javy is kind of a bad example as he was a top 5 prospect going into last year, but I guess it's probably less that the ranking are more accurate (since they tend to focus on potential, which a guy like Javy certainly has), but more that they've gotten better at identifying reasons why highly touted guys might fail. It's not so much that a guy like Jefferies or whatever wouldn't be considered a prospect today, they probably would have just pointed out why he wasn't "can't miss" type.
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Quote from: Fork on April 03, 2015, 01:09:28 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 03, 2015, 12:59:34 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 03, 2015, 12:17:07 PM
In other words, the same players are getting drafted (30 teams x 50 rounds is a lot of players). It's not like Gregg Jefferies wouldn't get picked; it's that he just wouldn't be as highly thought of as a prospect. I dunno...whatever it is, comparing the top 10 prospects today to the top 10 prospects of 1989 is silly.
I would like to see an analysis of how well players do corresponding to their actual rank. This primarily shows that publications are no longer completely whiffing on most future stars. It'd be interesting to see if their top 10-20s have gotten more accurate over time.
I'd guess yes, since there is a lot more data being collected and analyzed. While a guy like Kris Bryant would be a top prospect in any era, there is probably a lot more accuracy among the guys who aren't necessarily no-brainers.
Well for instance I think a guy like Corey Patterson would have had way more red flags coming into the majors today (he also presumably wouldn't have gotten promoted despite posting an OPS under .700 in AAA in 2001). Analysis has evolved to the point where you don't just wave away a guys issues because of his tools.
As excited as people were for Javy to make his debut nearly everyone involved knew there was a huge chance this guy was going to flat out bust because he swings at everything, and we were pretty prepared for it. Corey would have been sniffed out as a guy who wasn't going to make contact or take a walk in the majors before he had a chance to get our hopes built up too high.
DPD, but I guess using Javy is kind of a bad example as he was a top 5 prospect going into last year, but I guess it's probably less that the ranking are more accurate (since they tend to focus on potential, which a guy like Javy certainly has), but more that they've gotten better at identifying reasons why highly touted guys might fail. It's not so much that a guy like Jefferies or whatever wouldn't be considered a prospect today, they probably would have just pointed out why he wasn't "can't miss" type.
Also going into last year, Javy was regarded as a guy who takes a while to figure it out at each level. Since the biggest jump in pitching quality is the one from AAA to MLB, it would stand to reason the "figure it out" period would take longer. But I don't think anyone has disregarded his K rate. He just has a huge upside if he can start gaining command of the hitting zone.
The minor league affiliates get started on 2015 today.
Kris Bryant, Addison Russell and Javy Baez are in the lineup for Iowa. Schwarber and Almora are at Tennessee. C. J. Edwards was moved to the bullpen for Tennessee to start the season.
There are some interesting names at Myrtle Beach--Underwood (starting today), McKinney, Zagunis, Caratini and Blackburn...
Jake Stinnett starts for South Bend and Gleybor Torres is on that roster as well.
All four teams are playing today.
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The minor league affiliates get started on 2015 today.
Kris Bryant, Addison Russell and Javy Baez are in the lineup for Iowa. Schwarber and Almora are at Tennessee. C. J. Edwards was moved to the bullpen for Tennessee to start the season.
There are some interesting names at Myrtle Beach--Underwood (starting today), McKinney, Zagunis, Caratini and Blackburn...
Jake Stinnett starts for South Bend and Gleybor Torres is on that roster as well.
All four teams are playing today.
While I'm a little surprised McKinney isn't starting the season higher, that MB pitching staff (the same guys who dominated the Midwest League last year) will make things fun in golf country.
Quote from: SKO on April 03, 2015, 01:25:57 PM
Corey would have been sniffed out as a guy who wasn't going to make contact or take a walk in the majors before he had a chance to get our hopes built up too high.
Ahem!
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Quote from: SKO on April 03, 2015, 01:25:57 PM
Corey would have been sniffed out as a guy who wasn't going to make contact or take a walk in the majors before he had a chance to get our hopes built up too high.
Ahem!
I wasn't around these parts during the Corey days, but knowing you, I'd guess the problem wasn't that people thought you were wrong about Corey, so much that you probably appeared to be reveling in sadistic glee over his failures rather than hoping like everyone else he'd actually become a good player for the ballclub you feign to root for. Kinda like you're doing with Baez.
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Quote from: SKO on April 03, 2015, 01:25:57 PM
Corey would have been sniffed out as a guy who wasn't going to make contact or take a walk in the majors before he had a chance to get our hopes built up too high.
Ahem!
I wasn't around these parts during the Corey days, but knowing you, I'd guess the problem wasn't that people thought you were wrong about Corey, so much that you probably appeared to be reveling in sadistic glee over his failures rather than hoping like everyone else he'd actually become a good player for the ballclub you feign to root for. Kinda like you're doing with Baez.
How eerie, it's like you were there.
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 09, 2015, 12:45:38 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 03, 2015, 01:25:57 PM
Corey would have been sniffed out as a guy who wasn't going to make contact or take a walk in the majors before he had a chance to get our hopes built up too high.
Ahem!
I wasn't around these parts during the Corey days, but knowing you, I'd guess the problem wasn't that people thought you were wrong about Corey, so much that you probably appeared to be were reveling in sadistic glee over his failures rather than hoping like everyone else he'd actually become a good player for the ballclub you feign to root for.
That Strut was a schmuck certainly made it very easy.
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Quote from: SKO on April 03, 2015, 01:25:57 PM
Corey would have been sniffed out as a guy who wasn't going to make contact or take a walk in the majors before he had a chance to get our hopes built up too high.
Ahem!
I wasn't around these parts during the Corey days, but knowing you, I'd guess the problem wasn't that people thought you were wrong about Corey, so much that you probably appeared to be were reveling in sadistic glee over his failures rather than hoping like everyone else he'd actually become a good player for the ballclub you feign to root for.
That Strut was a schmuck certainly made it very easy.
And now you get to hope that Baez fails as a final indictment of a long since fired GM rather than hope he makes some basic adjustments and becomes one of the most valuable middle infielders in the league. Everything's coming up Chuck.
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Quote from: SKO on April 03, 2015, 01:25:57 PM
Corey would have been sniffed out as a guy who wasn't going to make contact or take a walk in the majors before he had a chance to get our hopes built up too high.
Ahem!
I wasn't around these parts during the Corey days, but knowing you, I'd guess the problem wasn't that people thought you were wrong about Corey, so much that you probably appeared to be reveling in sadistic glee over his failures rather than hoping like everyone else he'd actually become a good player for the ballclub you feign to root for. Kinda like you're doing with Baez.
How eerie, it's like you were there.
Yeah. That was basically spot-on. But the Baez situation pales in comparison. The "Korey" stuff was peak Chuck. Probably even more so than Soriano.
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Quote from: SKO on April 03, 2015, 01:25:57 PM
Corey would have been sniffed out as a guy who wasn't going to make contact or take a walk in the majors before he had a chance to get our hopes built up too high.
Ahem!
I wasn't around these parts during the Corey days, but knowing you, I'd guess the problem wasn't that people thought you were wrong about Corey, so much that you probably appeared to be reveling in sadistic glee over his failures rather than hoping like everyone else he'd actually become a good player for the ballclub you feign to root for. Kinda like you're doing with Baez.
How eerie, it's like you were there.
Yeah. That was basically spot-on. But the Baez situation pales in comparison. The "Korey" stuff was peak Chuck. Probably even more so than Soriano.
HATE LEVEL METER
Korey >>>>>> Soriano >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Baez.
And the Baez stuff is mostly because you expect it of me.
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Quote from: SKO on April 03, 2015, 01:25:57 PM
Corey would have been sniffed out as a guy who wasn't going to make contact or take a walk in the majors before he had a chance to get our hopes built up too high.
Ahem!
I wasn't around these parts during the Corey days, but knowing you, I'd guess the problem wasn't that people thought you were wrong about Corey, so much that you probably appeared to be reveling in sadistic glee over his failures rather than hoping like everyone else he'd actually become a good player for the ballclub you feign to root for. Kinda like you're doing with Baez.
How eerie, it's like you were there.
Yeah. That was basically spot-on. But the Baez situation pales in comparison. The "Korey" stuff was peak Chuck. Probably even more so than Soriano.
Korey >>>>>> Soriano >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Baez.
And the Baez stuff is mostly because you expect it of me.
Korey is better than Soriano? Or you hate him less? And you hate Baez WAAAAAAAAAAY more than either one? What the fuck am I asking you questions for?
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Quote from: SKO on April 03, 2015, 01:25:57 PM
Corey would have been sniffed out as a guy who wasn't going to make contact or take a walk in the majors before he had a chance to get our hopes built up too high.
Ahem!
I wasn't around these parts during the Corey days, but knowing you, I'd guess the problem wasn't that people thought you were wrong about Corey, so much that you probably appeared to be reveling in sadistic glee over his failures rather than hoping like everyone else he'd actually become a good player for the ballclub you feign to root for. Kinda like you're doing with Baez.
How eerie, it's like you were there.
Yeah. That was basically spot-on. But the Baez situation pales in comparison. The "Korey" stuff was peak Chuck. Probably even more so than Soriano.
HATE LEVEL METER
Korey >>>>>> Soriano >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Baez.
And the Baez stuff is mostly because you expect it of me.
Where does Castro fit in?
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Corey would have been sniffed out as a guy who wasn't going to make contact or take a walk in the majors before he had a chance to get our hopes built up too high.
Ahem!
I wasn't around these parts during the Corey days, but knowing you, I'd guess the problem wasn't that people thought you were wrong about Corey, so much that you probably appeared to be reveling in sadistic glee over his failures rather than hoping like everyone else he'd actually become a good player for the ballclub you feign to root for. Kinda like you're doing with Baez.
How eerie, it's like you were there.
Yeah. That was basically spot-on. But the Baez situation pales in comparison. The "Korey" stuff was peak Chuck. Probably even more so than Soriano.
HATE LEVEL METER
Korey >>>>>> Soriano >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Baez.
And the Baez stuff is mostly because you expect it of me.
Where does Castro fit in?
Hopefully in Detroit or Philadelphia.
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Quote from: SKO on April 03, 2015, 01:25:57 PM
Corey would have been sniffed out as a guy who wasn't going to make contact or take a walk in the majors before he had a chance to get our hopes built up too high.
Ahem!
I wasn't around these parts during the Corey days, but knowing you, I'd guess the problem wasn't that people thought you were wrong about Corey, so much that you probably appeared to be reveling in sadistic glee over his failures rather than hoping like everyone else he'd actually become a good player for the ballclub you feign to root for. Kinda like you're doing with Baez.
How eerie, it's like you were there.
Yeah. That was basically spot-on. But the Baez situation pales in comparison. The "Korey" stuff was peak Chuck. Probably even more so than Soriano.
HATE LEVEL METER
Korey >>>>>> Soriano >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Baez.
And the Baez stuff is mostly because you expect it of me.
Where does Castro fit in?
Hopefully in Detroit or Philadelphia.
Oh, my fucking god.
In this age of limited offense it is not necessary to trade shortstops who hit well and sport club-friendly contracts for starting pitchers with a million miles on their arms. I HAVE HAD IT UP TO HERE WITH THIS SHIT
Quote from: InternetApex on April 09, 2015, 03:02:31 PM
In this age of limited offense it is not necessary to trade shortstops who hit well and sport club-friendly contracts for starting pitchers with a million miles on their arms. I HAVE HAD IT UP TO HERE WITH THIS SHIT
And has a decent glove.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 09, 2015, 03:02:31 PM
In this age of limited offense it is not necessary to trade shortstops who hit well and sport club-friendly contracts for starting pitchers with a million miles on their arms. I HAVE HAD IT UP TO HERE WITH THIS SHIT
The only scenario in which trading Castro is acceptable is if Javy comes up from AAA and is a holy terror, and Russell is also who they think he is. The guy with 40 homer potential>Starlin in that scenario. Barring that I seriously do not want to hear Castro trade speculation until the unlikely scenario that both of those guys and Bryant pan out AND Bryant also sticks at 3B and Schwarber needs to play LF because he can't stick at catcher. I don't think all of those things are going to happen, so leave Starlin be.
Especially when you can just throw money at those starting pitchers in November.
Javy Baez will take a leave of absence from the Iowa Cubs because of the death of his sister, Noely Baez. The two were reportedly very close. Rotoworld says she passed away suddenly at 21.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 09, 2015, 03:31:10 PM
Javy Baez will take a leave of absence from the Iowa Cubs because of the death of his sister, Noely Baez. The two were reportedly very close. Rotoworld says she passed away suddenly at 21.
Shit man, that sucks.
Quote from: SKO on April 09, 2015, 03:21:59 PM
The only scenario in which trading Castro is acceptable is if Javy comes up from AAA and is a holy terror, and Russell is also who they think he is and Bryant can't stick at 3B.
Even then'd.
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Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 09, 2015, 03:31:10 PM
Javy Baez will take a leave of absence from the Iowa Cubs because of the death of his sister, Noely Baez. The two were reportedly very close. Rotoworld says she passed away suddenly at 21.
Shit man, that sucks.
This is so sad. Here's a bit more about her:
http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/66112700/
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Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 09, 2015, 03:31:10 PM
Javy Baez will take a leave of absence from the Iowa Cubs because of the death of his sister, Noely Baez. The two were reportedly very close. Rotoworld says she passed away suddenly at 21.
Shit man, that sucks.
This is so sad. Here's a bit more about her:
http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/66112700/
Ugh.
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Javy Baez will take a leave of absence from the Iowa Cubs because of the death of his sister, Noely Baez. The two were reportedly very close. Rotoworld says she passed away suddenly at 21.
Shit man, that sucks.
This is so sad. Here's a bit more about her:
http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/66112700/
Ugh.
That's terrible.
Sounds like a strong family though.
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Javy Baez will take a leave of absence from the Iowa Cubs because of the death of his sister, Noely Baez. The two were reportedly very close. Rotoworld says she passed away suddenly at 21.
Shit man, that sucks.
This is so sad. Here's a bit more about her:
http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/66112700/
Ugh.
That's terrible.
Sounds like a strong family though.
I'm gonna get all teary eyed and shit when he comes back and launches his first 900 foot bomb and points to the sky or whatever and I'm not apologizing for that.
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Javy Baez will take a leave of absence from the Iowa Cubs because of the death of his sister, Noely Baez. The two were reportedly very close. Rotoworld says she passed away suddenly at 21.
Shit man, that sucks.
This is so sad. Here's a bit more about her:
http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/66112700/
Ugh.
That's terrible.
Sounds like a strong family though.
I'm gonna get all teary eyed and shit when he comes back and launches his first 900 foot bomb and points to the sky or whatever and I'm not apologizing for that.
Shit, I want him to hit 80 home runs a year now.
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Javy Baez will take a leave of absence from the Iowa Cubs because of the death of his sister, Noely Baez. The two were reportedly very close. Rotoworld says she passed away suddenly at 21.
Shit man, that sucks.
This is so sad. Here's a bit more about her:
http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/66112700/
Ugh.
That's terrible.
Sounds like a strong family though.
I'm gonna get all teary eyed and shit when he comes back and launches his first 900 foot bomb and points to the sky or whatever and I'm not apologizing for that.
Shit, I want him to hit 80 home runs a year now.
You didn't before?
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Javy Baez will take a leave of absence from the Iowa Cubs because of the death of his sister, Noely Baez. The two were reportedly very close. Rotoworld says she passed away suddenly at 21.
Shit man, that sucks.
This is so sad. Here's a bit more about her:
http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/66112700/
Ugh.
That's terrible.
Sounds like a strong family though.
I'm gonna get all teary eyed and shit when he comes back and launches his first 900 foot bomb and points to the sky or whatever and I'm not apologizing for that.
Shit, I want him to hit 80 home runs a year now.
You didn't before?
I wanted 70 before.
DPD.
Boner (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20150412&content_id=117875260&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb).
Bryant was 3 for 5 (all singles) with a SB.
Albert Almora had a single and a double and an assist.
Dan Vogelbach had two doubles.
James Russell made his first appearance for Iowa and pitched two scoreless, hitless innings.
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Bryant was 3 for 5 (all singles) with a SB.
Albert Almora had a single and a double and an assist.
Dan Vogelbach had two doubles.
James Russell made his first appearance for Iowa and pitched two scoreless, hitless innings.
Why do you hate Christian Villanueva?
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Bryant was 3 for 5 (all singles) with a SB.
Albert Almora had a single and a double and an assist.
Dan Vogelbach had two doubles.
James Russell made his first appearance for Iowa and pitched two scoreless, hitless innings.
Why do you hate Christian Villanueva?
I thought I had him in there...made that post in between answering emails.
Christian Villanueva hit two dongs.
Catcher Cael Brockmeyer is a name that has popped up a bunch early in the year. He had a game winning walkoff dong in the first game for South Bend and 6 of his 7 hits are for extra bases.
Not sure he's ever been mentioned on any top prospects list, so maybe it's just a nice job of hitting by someone who we may never hear from again. He is a 16th round pick in 2013 out of California State University Bakersfield, home of the Roadrunners.
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Catcher Cael Brockmeyer is a name that has popped up a bunch early in the year. He had a game winning walkoff dong in the first game for South Bend and 6 of his 7 hits are for extra bases.
Not sure he's ever been mentioned on any top prospects list, so maybe it's just a nice job of hitting by someone who we may never hear from again. He is a 16th round pick in 2013 out of California State University Bakersfield, home of the Roadrunners.
Man, you're a regular Arizona Phil.
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Catcher Cael Brockmeyer is a name that has popped up a bunch early in the year. He had a game winning walkoff dong in the first game for South Bend and 6 of his 7 hits are for extra bases.
Not sure he's ever been mentioned on any top prospects list, so maybe it's just a nice job of hitting by someone who we may never hear from again. He is a 16th round pick in 2013 out of California State University Bakersfield, home of the Roadrunners.
Man, you're a regular Arizona Phil.
He downloaded the MiLB app last week.
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Catcher Cael Brockmeyer is a name that has popped up a bunch early in the year. He had a game winning walkoff dong in the first game for South Bend and 6 of his 7 hits are for extra bases.
Not sure he's ever been mentioned on any top prospects list, so maybe it's just a nice job of hitting by someone who we may never hear from again. He is a 16th round pick in 2013 out of California State University Bakersfield, home of the Roadrunners.
Man, you're a regular Arizona Phil.
He downloaded the MiLB app last week.
I find IAN's childlike exuberance over every single Cubs prospect rather amusing. Let him be, gang.
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Catcher Cael Brockmeyer is a name that has popped up a bunch early in the year. He had a game winning walkoff dong in the first game for South Bend and 6 of his 7 hits are for extra bases.
Not sure he's ever been mentioned on any top prospects list, so maybe it's just a nice job of hitting by someone who we may never hear from again. He is a 16th round pick in 2013 out of California State University Bakersfield, home of the Roadrunners.
You might remember him from such roles as "Tall goofy looking catcher in Kane County" from last year.
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Catcher Cael Brockmeyer is a name that has popped up a bunch early in the year. He had a game winning walkoff dong in the first game for South Bend and 6 of his 7 hits are for extra bases.
Not sure he's ever been mentioned on any top prospects list, so maybe it's just a nice job of hitting by someone who we may never hear from again. He is a 16th round pick in 2013 out of California State University Bakersfield, home of the Roadrunners.
Man, you're a regular Arizona Phil.
He downloaded the MiLB app last week.
I find IAN's childlike exuberance over every single Cubs prospect rather amusing. Let him be, gang.
I'm on board. I certainly didn't mean that as an insult.
I positive!
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Catcher Cael Brockmeyer is a name that has popped up a bunch early in the year. He had a game winning walkoff dong in the first game for South Bend and 6 of his 7 hits are for extra bases.
Not sure he's ever been mentioned on any top prospects list, so maybe it's just a nice job of hitting by someone who we may never hear from again. He is a 16th round pick in 2013 out of California State University Bakersfield, home of the Roadrunners.
Man, you're a regular Arizona Phil.
He downloaded the MiLB app last week.
I find IAN's childlike exuberance over every single Cubs prospect rather amusing. Let him be, gang.
I'm on board. I certainly didn't mean that as an insult.
I positive!
I wasn't judging. Pen and I obsessed over this shit last year. I'm glad IANs on board
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Catcher Cael Brockmeyer is a name that has popped up a bunch early in the year. He had a game winning walkoff dong in the first game for South Bend and 6 of his 7 hits are for extra bases.
Not sure he's ever been mentioned on any top prospects list, so maybe it's just a nice job of hitting by someone who we may never hear from again. He is a 16th round pick in 2013 out of California State University Bakersfield, home of the Roadrunners.
You might remember him from such roles as "Tall goofy looking catcher in Kane County" from last year.
Yes. But can he frame pitches?
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Catcher Cael Brockmeyer is a name that has popped up a bunch early in the year. He had a game winning walkoff dong in the first game for South Bend and 6 of his 7 hits are for extra bases.
Not sure he's ever been mentioned on any top prospects list, so maybe it's just a nice job of hitting by someone who we may never hear from again. He is a 16th round pick in 2013 out of California State University Bakersfield, home of the Roadrunners.
Man, you're a regular Arizona Phil.
He downloaded the MiLB app last week.
I find IAN's childlike exuberance over every single Cubs prospect rather amusing. Let him be, gang.
I'm on board. I certainly didn't mean that as an insult.
I positive!
I wasn't judging. Pen and I obsessed over this shit last year. I'm glad IANs on board
IAN's first Hannemann post is going to be a real line in the sand for us.
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Soler to Iowa. Almora to Tennessee. Tomorrow.
2015 is going to be fun. 2016 is going to be awesome.
Also some prospect named Arismendy Alcantara hit one out on to Sheffield today.
so you're saying we can flip these guys for Francoeur?
There'd be little to no downside.
DPD.
So, apparently in addition to doing some decent hitting in AAA (.294 with 15 homers and a .790 OPS) Francouer is pitching in El Paso this season.
6.1 IP, 4.26 ERA, 4/3 K:BB ratio.
Huge missed opportunity for the Cubs here.
Epstink is terrible.
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Also some prospect named Arismendy Alcantara hit one out on to Sheffield today.
He's going to Iowa on Monday. And Chris Brian will replace him.
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Also some prospect named Arismendy Alcantara hit one out on to Sheffield today.
He's going to Iowa on Monday. And Chris Brian will replace him.
You officially moving off 4/24?
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Also some prospect named Arismendy Alcantara hit one out on to Sheffield today.
He's going to Iowa on Monday. And Chris Brian will replace him.
Don't they need to DFA someone for Bryant too?
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Also some prospect named Arismendy Alcantara hit one out on to Sheffield today.
He's going to Iowa on Monday. And Chris Brian will replace him.
Don't they need to DFA someone for Bryant too?
I think the 40 man is just at 39 right now.
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Also some prospect named Arismendy Alcantara hit one out on to Sheffield today.
He's going to Iowa on Monday. And Chris Brian will replace him.
You officially moving off 4/24?
I think so. The injuries and Alcantara's struggles have me moving the date. Kasper was on WSCR today strongly suggesting Mendy's going to get sent down.
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Also some prospect named Arismendy Alcantara hit one out on to Sheffield today.
He's going to Iowa on Monday. And Chris Brian will replace him.
You officially moving off 4/24?
I think so. The injuries and Alcantara's struggles have me moving the date. Kasper was on WSCR today strongly suggesting Mendy's going to get sent down.
I think it'll be Monday.
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Also some prospect named Arismendy Alcantara hit one out on to Sheffield today.
He's going to Iowa on Monday. And Chris Brian will replace him.
You officially moving off 4/24?
I think so. The injuries and Alcantara's struggles have me moving the date. Kasper was on WSCR today strongly suggesting Mendy's going to get sent down.
I think it'll be Monday.
Has Russell ever played 2B prior to today? They gave Baez almost 3 weeks of playing time at 2B in Iowa last year before they called him up.
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Also some prospect named Arismendy Alcantara hit one out on to Sheffield today.
He's going to Iowa on Monday. And Chris Brian will replace him.
You officially moving off 4/24?
I think so. The injuries and Alcantara's struggles have me moving the date. Kasper was on WSCR today strongly suggesting Mendy's going to get sent down.
I think it'll be Monday.
Has Russell ever played 2B prior to today? They gave Baez almost 3 weeks of playing time at 2B in Iowa last year before they called him up.
First time.
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Also some prospect named Arismendy Alcantara hit one out on to Sheffield today.
He's going to Iowa on Monday. And Chris Brian will replace him.
You officially moving off 4/24?
I think so. The injuries and Alcantara's struggles have me moving the date. Kasper was on WSCR today strongly suggesting Mendy's going to get sent down.
I think it'll be Monday.
Has Russell ever played 2B prior to today? They gave Baez almost 3 weeks of playing time at 2B in Iowa last year before they called him up.
First time.
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Also some prospect named Arismendy Alcantara hit one out on to Sheffield today.
He's going to Iowa on Monday. And Chris Brian will replace him.
You officially moving off 4/24?
I think so. The injuries and Alcantara's struggles have me moving the date. Kasper was on WSCR today strongly suggesting Mendy's going to get sent down.
I think it'll be Monday.
Has Russell ever played 2B prior to today? They gave Baez almost 3 weeks of playing time at 2B in Iowa last year before they called him up.
They did, but they didn't really have a need for him at the major-league level. Russell fills a need for them right away, so they have to balance development and competing.
Plus, he's supposed to be so polished as a prospect, so he should theoretically adapt quickly. It's just a hunch on my part and probably not a very likely one. Bryant really should be up by Monday though at the very latest.
Jesse of ESPNChicago says tomorrow is the day. But that idiot's been wrong before.
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Jesse of ESPNChicago says tomorrow is the day. But that idiot's been wrong before.
Bruce Miles seconds it. It's happening.
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Jesse of ESPNChicago says tomorrow is the day. But that idiot's been wrong before.
Bruce Miles seconds it. It's happening.
RELEASE THE BONERS
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Jesse of ESPNChicago says tomorrow is the day. But that idiot's been wrong before.
Bruce Miles seconds it. It's happening.
RELEASE THE BONERS
*loosens dongband*
I don't know where to put this, so I'll put it here...somebody throw Mendy a life vest and let him float to Iowa. It's getting a little tough to watch.
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I don't know where to put this, so I'll put it here...somebody throw Mendy a life vest and let him float to Iowa. It's getting a little tough to watch.
Yeah it's pretty brutal. I get it if they want to give Russell more time in AAA, but at this point even a scrub like Valaika would make more sense on the bench than watching Mendy negatively impact his development by going up and getting pantsed every time. He's a guy that still has a ton of talent, I don't want this scarring him for life.
Doesn't help that he wastes the first pitch of every AB by showing bunt like he's Juan fucking Pierre.
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I don't know where to put this, so I'll put it here...somebody throw Mendy a life vest and let him float to Iowa. It's getting a little tough to watch.
Yeah it's pretty brutal. I get it if they want to give Russell more time in AAA, but at this point even a scrub like Valaika would make more sense on the bench than watching Mendy negatively impact his development by going up and getting pantsed every time. He's a guy that still has a ton of talent, I don't want this scarring him for life.
Doesn't help that he wastes the first pitch of every AB by showing bunt like he's Juan fucking Pierre.
I feel like they have to make that move soon. Something isn't right if he can't draw starts at 2B over Jonathan Herrera.
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I don't know where to put this, so I'll put it here...somebody throw Mendy a life vest and let him float to Iowa. It's getting a little tough to watch.
Yeah it's pretty brutal. I get it if they want to give Russell more time in AAA, but at this point even a scrub like Valaika would make more sense on the bench than watching Mendy negatively impact his development by going up and getting pantsed every time. He's a guy that still has a ton of talent, I don't want this scarring him for life.
Doesn't help that he wastes the first pitch of every AB by showing bunt like he's Juan fucking Pierre.
You have now just given me reason to hate Mendy. Damnit.
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I don't know where to put this, so I'll put it here...somebody throw Mendy a life vest and let him float to Iowa. It's getting a little tough to watch.
Yeah it's pretty brutal. I get it if they want to give Russell more time in AAA, but at this point even a scrub like Valaika would make more sense on the bench than watching Mendy negatively impact his development by going up and getting pantsed every time. He's a guy that still has a ton of talent, I don't want this scarring him for life.
Doesn't help that he wastes the first pitch of every AB by showing bunt like he's Juan fucking Pierre.
You have now just given me reason to hate Mendy. Damnit.
I swear I think he's done it every single fucking AB. It's infuriating, especially since the best pitch he usually gets to hit all AB is that first one.
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I don't know where to put this, so I'll put it here...somebody throw Mendy a life vest and let him float to Iowa. It's getting a little tough to watch.
Yeah it's pretty brutal. I get it if they want to give Russell more time in AAA, but at this point even a scrub like Valaika would make more sense on the bench than watching Mendy negatively impact his development by going up and getting pantsed every time. He's a guy that still has a ton of talent, I don't want this scarring him for life.
Doesn't help that he wastes the first pitch of every AB by showing bunt like he's Juan fucking Pierre.
You have now just given me reason to hate Mendy. Damnit.
I swear I think he's done it every single fucking AB. It's infuriating, especially since the best pitch he usually gets to hit all AB is that first one.
It's almost as if scouts have told pitchers he does this and you get a free strike.
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I don't know where to put this, so I'll put it here...somebody throw Mendy a life vest and let him float to Iowa. It's getting a little tough to watch.
Yeah it's pretty brutal. I get it if they want to give Russell more time in AAA, but at this point even a scrub like Valaika would make more sense on the bench than watching Mendy negatively impact his development by going up and getting pantsed every time. He's a guy that still has a ton of talent, I don't want this scarring him for life.
Doesn't help that he wastes the first pitch of every AB by showing bunt like he's Juan fucking Pierre.
You have now just given me reason to hate Mendy. Damnit.
I swear I think he's done it every single fucking AB. It's infuriating, especially since the best pitch he usually gets to hit all AB is that first one.
It's almost as if scouts have told pitchers he does this and you get a free strike.
Possibly, but right now I'm guessing the scouting report is "throw him whatever you want, he'll swing at it."
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I don't know where to put this, so I'll put it here...somebody throw Mendy a life vest and let him float to Iowa. It's getting a little tough to watch.
Yeah it's pretty brutal. I get it if they want to give Russell more time in AAA, but at this point even a scrub like Valaika would make more sense on the bench than watching Mendy negatively impact his development by going up and getting pantsed every time. He's a guy that still has a ton of talent, I don't want this scarring him for life.
Doesn't help that he wastes the first pitch of every AB by showing bunt like he's Juan fucking Pierre.
You have now just given me reason to hate Mendy. Damnit.
I swear I think he's done it every single fucking AB. It's infuriating, especially since the best pitch he usually gets to hit all AB is that first one.
It's almost as if scouts have told pitchers he does this and you get a free strike.
Possibly, but right now I'm guessing the scouting report is "throw him whatever you want, he'll swing at it."
I felt like Len and JD were basically calling the pitches for the Padres against Mendy...Len would say "and now would be a good time for the changeup....and there its, strike 2".
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Javy Baez will take a leave of absence from the Iowa Cubs because of the death of his sister, Noely Baez. The two were reportedly very close. Rotoworld says she passed away suddenly at 21.
Shit man, that sucks.
This is so sad. Here's a bit more about her:
http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/66112700/
12 days since his sister died and the I-Cubs still haven't heard from him at all. (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/baseball/iowa-cubs/2015/04/20/baez-return-unknown/26074767/)
Dan Vogelbach is mashing: .484/.579/.613 with 3 K to 7 BB and 4 2B (no HR yet). This is his first taste of AA ball.
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Dan Vogelbach is mashing: .484/.579/.613 with 3 K to 7 BB and 4 2B (no HR yet). This is his first taste of AA ball.
Southern League Player of the Week. (http://vineline.mlblogs.com/2015/04/20/vogelbach-named-southern-league-player-of-the-week/)
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Javy Baez will take a leave of absence from the Iowa Cubs because of the death of his sister, Noely Baez. The two were reportedly very close. Rotoworld says she passed away suddenly at 21.
Shit man, that sucks.
This is so sad. Here's a bit more about her:
http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/66112700/
12 days since his sister died and the I-Cubs still haven't heard from him at all. (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/baseball/iowa-cubs/2015/04/20/baez-return-unknown/26074767/)
All we know is that the manager told the newspaper that he hasn't heard anything from him. Someone in the Cubs organization probably knows what's going on and they're probably respecting his privacy. Don't over-Rosenbloom this.
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Javy Baez will take a leave of absence from the Iowa Cubs because of the death of his sister, Noely Baez. The two were reportedly very close. Rotoworld says she passed away suddenly at 21.
Shit man, that sucks.
This is so sad. Here's a bit more about her:
http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/66112700/
12 days since his sister died and the I-Cubs still haven't heard from him at all. (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/baseball/iowa-cubs/2015/04/20/baez-return-unknown/26074767/)
All we know is that the manager told the newspaper that he hasn't heard anything from him. Someone in the Cubs organization probably knows what's going on and they're probably respecting his privacy. Don't over-Rosenbloom this.
Yeah no shit. I read the article and Pen sensationalized the shit out of that. You'd think he was off crying shirtless in a club somewhere like Vince Young the way Pen phrased it.
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Javy Baez will take a leave of absence from the Iowa Cubs because of the death of his sister, Noely Baez. The two were reportedly very close. Rotoworld says she passed away suddenly at 21.
Shit man, that sucks.
This is so sad. Here's a bit more about her:
http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/66112700/
12 days since his sister died and the I-Cubs still haven't heard from him at all. (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/baseball/iowa-cubs/2015/04/20/baez-return-unknown/26074767/)
All we know is that the manager told the newspaper that he hasn't heard anything from him. Someone in the Cubs organization probably knows what's going on and they're probably respecting his privacy. Don't over-Rosenbloom this.
Yeah no shit. I read the article and Pen sensationalized the shit out of that. You'd think he was off crying shirtless in a club somewhere like Vince Young the way Pen phrased it.
In Pen's defense, he did say the
Iowa Cubs haven't heard from him yet...
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Javy Baez will take a leave of absence from the Iowa Cubs because of the death of his sister, Noely Baez. The two were reportedly very close. Rotoworld says she passed away suddenly at 21.
Shit man, that sucks.
This is so sad. Here's a bit more about her:
http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/66112700/
12 days since his sister died and the I-Cubs still haven't heard from him at all. (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/baseball/iowa-cubs/2015/04/20/baez-return-unknown/26074767/)
All we know is that the manager told the newspaper that he hasn't heard anything from him. Someone in the Cubs organization probably knows what's going on and they're probably respecting his privacy. Don't over-Rosenbloom this.
Yeah no shit. I read the article and Pen sensationalized the shit out of that. You'd think he was off crying shirtless in a club somewhere like Vince Young the way Pen phrased it.
In Pen's defense, he did say the Iowa Cubs haven't heard from him yet...
I stand by my reporting of that report.
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Javy Baez will take a leave of absence from the Iowa Cubs because of the death of his sister, Noely Baez. The two were reportedly very close. Rotoworld says she passed away suddenly at 21.
Shit man, that sucks.
This is so sad. Here's a bit more about her:
http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/66112700/
12 days since his sister died and the I-Cubs still haven't heard from him at all. (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/baseball/iowa-cubs/2015/04/20/baez-return-unknown/26074767/)
All we know is that the manager told the newspaper that he hasn't heard anything from him. Someone in the Cubs organization probably knows what's going on and they're probably respecting his privacy. Don't over-Rosenbloom this.
Yeah no shit. I read the article and Pen sensationalized the shit out of that. You'd think he was off crying shirtless in a club somewhere like Vince Young the way Pen phrased it.
In Pen's defense, he did say the Iowa Cubs haven't heard from him yet...
I stand by my reporting of that report.
I listened to Murph for about 15 minutes on Saturday, which was more than any human should be able to take, and he was being an asswipe about Baez not being back yet. So anyone that questions Javy's absence is as bad as Mike Murphy.
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Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 09, 2015, 03:31:10 PM
Javy Baez will take a leave of absence from the Iowa Cubs because of the death of his sister, Noely Baez. The two were reportedly very close. Rotoworld says she passed away suddenly at 21.
Shit man, that sucks.
This is so sad. Here's a bit more about her:
http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/66112700/
12 days since his sister died and the I-Cubs still haven't heard from him at all. (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/baseball/iowa-cubs/2015/04/20/baez-return-unknown/26074767/)
All we know is that the manager told the newspaper that he hasn't heard anything from him. Someone in the Cubs organization probably knows what's going on and they're probably respecting his privacy. Don't over-Rosenbloom this.
Yeah no shit. I read the article and Pen sensationalized the shit out of that. You'd think he was off crying shirtless in a club somewhere like Vince Young the way Pen phrased it.
In Pen's defense, he did say the Iowa Cubs haven't heard from him yet...
I stand by my reporting of that report.
I listened to Murph for about 15 minutes on Saturday, which was more than any human should be able to take, and he was being an asswipe about Baez not being back yet. So anyone that questions Javy's absence is as bad as Mike Murphy.
I did the same. And heard the exact same segment. Then I put on WMET and it turned out to be country. #Winning
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Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 09, 2015, 03:31:10 PM
Javy Baez will take a leave of absence from the Iowa Cubs because of the death of his sister, Noely Baez. The two were reportedly very close. Rotoworld says she passed away suddenly at 21.
Shit man, that sucks.
This is so sad. Here's a bit more about her:
http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/66112700/
12 days since his sister died and the I-Cubs still haven't heard from him at all. (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/baseball/iowa-cubs/2015/04/20/baez-return-unknown/26074767/)
All we know is that the manager told the newspaper that he hasn't heard anything from him. Someone in the Cubs organization probably knows what's going on and they're probably respecting his privacy. Don't over-Rosenbloom this.
Yeah no shit. I read the article and Pen sensationalized the shit out of that. You'd think he was off crying shirtless in a club somewhere like Vince Young the way Pen phrased it.
In Pen's defense, he did say the Iowa Cubs haven't heard from him yet...
I stand by my reporting of that report.
I listened to Murph for about 15 minutes on Saturday, which was more than any human should be able to take, and he was being an asswipe about Baez not being back yet. So anyone that questions Javy's absence is as bad as Mike Murphy.
Jesus Christ, someone is actually bitching about a guy having the gall to not rush back from the death of his 21 year old sister to play baseball games in fucking Iowa? I hate people. I'll give Pen credit, he wasn't doing that.
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Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 09, 2015, 03:31:10 PM
Javy Baez will take a leave of absence from the Iowa Cubs because of the death of his sister, Noely Baez. The two were reportedly very close. Rotoworld says she passed away suddenly at 21.
Shit man, that sucks.
This is so sad. Here's a bit more about her:
http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/66112700/
12 days since his sister died and the I-Cubs still haven't heard from him at all. (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/baseball/iowa-cubs/2015/04/20/baez-return-unknown/26074767/)
All we know is that the manager told the newspaper that he hasn't heard anything from him. Someone in the Cubs organization probably knows what's going on and they're probably respecting his privacy. Don't over-Rosenbloom this.
Yeah no shit. I read the article and Pen sensationalized the shit out of that. You'd think he was off crying shirtless in a club somewhere like Vince Young the way Pen phrased it.
In Pen's defense, he did say the Iowa Cubs haven't heard from him yet...
I stand by my reporting of that report.
I listened to Murph for about 15 minutes on Saturday, which was more than any human should be able to take, and he was being an asswipe about Baez not being back yet. So anyone that questions Javy's absence is as bad as Mike Murphy.
Jesus Christ, someone is actually bitching about a guy having the gall to not rush back from the death of his 21 year old sister to play baseball games in fucking Iowa? I hate people. I'll give Pen credit, he wasn't doing that.
Referring to Mike Murphy as "someone" is probably giving him too much credit though.
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Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 09, 2015, 03:31:10 PM
Javy Baez will take a leave of absence from the Iowa Cubs because of the death of his sister, Noely Baez. The two were reportedly very close. Rotoworld says she passed away suddenly at 21.
Shit man, that sucks.
This is so sad. Here's a bit more about her:
http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/66112700/
12 days since his sister died and the I-Cubs still haven't heard from him at all. (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/baseball/iowa-cubs/2015/04/20/baez-return-unknown/26074767/)
All we know is that the manager told the newspaper that he hasn't heard anything from him. Someone in the Cubs organization probably knows what's going on and they're probably respecting his privacy. Don't over-Rosenbloom this.
Yeah no shit. I read the article and Pen sensationalized the shit out of that. You'd think he was off crying shirtless in a club somewhere like Vince Young the way Pen phrased it.
In Pen's defense, he did say the Iowa Cubs haven't heard from him yet...
I stand by my reporting of that report.
I listened to Murph for about 15 minutes on Saturday, which was more than any human should be able to take, and he was being an asswipe about Baez not being back yet. So anyone that questions Javy's absence is as bad as Mike Murphy.
Jesus Christ, someone is actually bitching about a guy having the gall to not rush back from the death of his 21 year old sister to play baseball games in fucking Iowa? I hate people. I'll give Pen credit, he wasn't doing that.
He was saying that nobody affiliated with the Iowa Cubs has heard from Baez because their manager told the newspaper he didn't know anything, which may or may not be true. What if he's lying? What if he just got done Facetiming with Baez and slammed his laptop shut right before the reporter walked in?
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Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 09, 2015, 03:31:10 PM
Javy Baez will take a leave of absence from the Iowa Cubs because of the death of his sister, Noely Baez. The two were reportedly very close. Rotoworld says she passed away suddenly at 21.
Shit man, that sucks.
This is so sad. Here's a bit more about her:
http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/66112700/
12 days since his sister died and the I-Cubs still haven't heard from him at all. (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/baseball/iowa-cubs/2015/04/20/baez-return-unknown/26074767/)
All we know is that the manager told the newspaper that he hasn't heard anything from him. Someone in the Cubs organization probably knows what's going on and they're probably respecting his privacy. Don't over-Rosenbloom this.
Yeah no shit. I read the article and Pen sensationalized the shit out of that. You'd think he was off crying shirtless in a club somewhere like Vince Young the way Pen phrased it.
In Pen's defense, he did say the Iowa Cubs haven't heard from him yet...
I stand by my reporting of that report.
I listened to Murph for about 15 minutes on Saturday, which was more than any human should be able to take, and he was being an asswipe about Baez not being back yet. So anyone that questions Javy's absence is as bad as Mike Murphy.
Jesus Christ, someone is actually bitching about a guy having the gall to not rush back from the death of his 21 year old sister to play baseball games in fucking Iowa? I hate people. I'll give Pen credit, he wasn't doing that.
He was saying that nobody affiliated with the Iowa Cubs has heard from Baez because their manager told the newspaper he didn't know anything, which may or may not be true. What if he's lying? What if he just got done Facetiming with Baez and slammed his laptop shut right before the reporter walked in?
Quote from: Joe Maddon in Gordo's shitty article from last night
"I was told he's getting close. From our perspective we want him to take as much time as he felt necessary. I've heard there's rumblings of him coming back relatively soon. The kid was crushed by the moment, man. We all grieve in different manners. I'm not one in any way, shape or form to say, `Listen, it's about time; the grieving time is over.' ... We just respect that process and then when he comes back we'll welcome him back openly."
Schwarber and Vogelbach are roomies (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20150423&content_id=119941666&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb). That place must have more refrigerators than CT's house.
Mark Gonzales
@MDGonzales
Javier Baez to report to Mesa for extended spring training today.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 23, 2015, 11:47:15 AM
Mark Gonzales
@MDGonzales
Javier Baez to report to Mesa for extended spring training today.
Now that Kris Bryant is our full time centerfielder in the wake of the premature death of Dexter Fowler maybe Javy can learn 3rd base and come up that way.
This is mostly a joke. But I don't know.
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Mark Gonzales
@MDGonzales
Javier Baez to report to Mesa for extended spring training today.
Now that Kris Bryant is our full time centerfielder in the wake of the premature death of Dexter Fowler maybe Javy can learn 3rd base and come up that way.
This is mostly a joke. But I don't know.
Do this and then move Almora to SS because why not.
Quote from: Slaky on April 23, 2015, 03:56:31 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 23, 2015, 11:47:15 AM
Mark Gonzales
@MDGonzales
Javier Baez to report to Mesa for extended spring training today.
Now that Kris Bryant is our full time centerfielder in the wake of the premature death of Dexter Fowler maybe Javy can learn 3rd base and come up that way.
This is mostly a joke. But I don't know.
I didn't watch any of the game because, unlike SKO, I have a job. Did Bryant get any chances out in center?
Quote from: Eli on April 23, 2015, 04:10:31 PM
Quote from: Slaky on April 23, 2015, 03:56:31 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 23, 2015, 11:47:15 AM
Mark Gonzales
@MDGonzales
Javier Baez to report to Mesa for extended spring training today.
Now that Kris Bryant is our full time centerfielder in the wake of the premature death of Dexter Fowler maybe Javy can learn 3rd base and come up that way.
This is mostly a joke. But I don't know.
I didn't watch any of the game because, unlike SKO, I have a job. Did Bryant get any chances out in center?
Just one (one of Harrison's doubles), but he didn't have a chance at it.
Jeremy Null? (http://wrigleyville.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2015/04/24/young-cubs-bp-wrigleyville-minor-league-update/)
Quote from: Some Prospectus Rando
The early minor-league season oftentimes yields some nice surprises, and among the best for the Cubs system this season is Jeremy Null. The 21-year-old righty was the 15th-round selection of the Cubs last year out of Western Carolina. He had slipped in the draft due to concerns about dipping velocity throughout his junior season, so the Cubs took a flyer on him, and the thought was that he would probably go back to school for his senior season with a chance to improve his draft stock. Instead, he surprised by signing with the Cubs and now, in his first full pro season, is starting for Low-A South Bend. His velocity has gotten back up into the low 90s and he locates all his pitches quite well, as he has no walks yet through three starts. While it is still unclear what Null could become, a poor man's Doug Fister would not be out of the question. He should move up to Myrtle Beach soon, at which point we'll start to get a better picture of him as a pitcher.
Quote from: PANK! on April 24, 2015, 08:27:35 AM
Jeremy Null? (http://wrigleyville.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2015/04/24/young-cubs-bp-wrigleyville-minor-league-update/)
Quote from: Some Prospectus Rando
The early minor-league season oftentimes yields some nice surprises, and among the best for the Cubs system this season is Jeremy Null. The 21-year-old righty was the 15th-round selection of the Cubs last year out of Western Carolina. He had slipped in the draft due to concerns about dipping velocity throughout his junior season, so the Cubs took a flyer on him, and the thought was that he would probably go back to school for his senior season with a chance to improve his draft stock. Instead, he surprised by signing with the Cubs and now, in his first full pro season, is starting for Low-A South Bend. His velocity has gotten back up into the low 90s and he locates all his pitches quite well, as he has no walks yet through three starts. While it is still unclear what Null could become, a poor man's Doug Fister would not be out of the question. He should move up to Myrtle Beach soon, at which point we'll start to get a better picture of him as a pitcher.
True Story: He and Pat Venditte are about to start breaking lots of laptop baseball stuff.
Quote from: ChuckD on April 24, 2015, 08:41:26 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 24, 2015, 08:27:35 AM
Jeremy Null? (http://wrigleyville.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2015/04/24/young-cubs-bp-wrigleyville-minor-league-update/)
Quote from: Some Prospectus Rando
The early minor-league season oftentimes yields some nice surprises, and among the best for the Cubs system this season is Jeremy Null. The 21-year-old righty was the 15th-round selection of the Cubs last year out of Western Carolina. He had slipped in the draft due to concerns about dipping velocity throughout his junior season, so the Cubs took a flyer on him, and the thought was that he would probably go back to school for his senior season with a chance to improve his draft stock. Instead, he surprised by signing with the Cubs and now, in his first full pro season, is starting for Low-A South Bend. His velocity has gotten back up into the low 90s and he locates all his pitches quite well, as he has no walks yet through three starts. While it is still unclear what Null could become, a poor man's Doug Fister would not be out of the question. He should move up to Myrtle Beach soon, at which point we'll start to get a better picture of him as a pitcher.
True Story: He and Pat Venditte are about to start breaking lots of laptop baseball stuff.
Is he ambidextrous too?
Quote from: PANK! on April 24, 2015, 08:43:27 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 24, 2015, 08:41:26 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 24, 2015, 08:27:35 AM
Jeremy Null? (http://wrigleyville.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2015/04/24/young-cubs-bp-wrigleyville-minor-league-update/)
Quote from: Some Prospectus Rando
The early minor-league season oftentimes yields some nice surprises, and among the best for the Cubs system this season is Jeremy Null. The 21-year-old righty was the 15th-round selection of the Cubs last year out of Western Carolina. He had slipped in the draft due to concerns about dipping velocity throughout his junior season, so the Cubs took a flyer on him, and the thought was that he would probably go back to school for his senior season with a chance to improve his draft stock. Instead, he surprised by signing with the Cubs and now, in his first full pro season, is starting for Low-A South Bend. His velocity has gotten back up into the low 90s and he locates all his pitches quite well, as he has no walks yet through three starts. While it is still unclear what Null could become, a poor man's Doug Fister would not be out of the question. He should move up to Myrtle Beach soon, at which point we'll start to get a better picture of him as a pitcher.
True Story: He and Pat Venditte are about to start breaking lots of laptop baseball stuff.
Is he ambidextrous too?
No. He doesn't exist. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_%28SQL%29)
Vogelbach and Schwarber continue to murder AA pitching.
Vogelbach: .426/.534/.702/1.237
Schwarber: .371/.511/.629/1.140
At this rate Vogelbach really will become the lucrative trade chip fans have been pretending he was all offseason.
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 08:49:23 AM
Vogelbach and Schwarber continue to murder AA pitching.
Vogelbach: .426/.534/.702/1.237
Schwarber: .371/.511/.629/1.140
At this rate Vogelbach really will become the lucrative trade chip fans have been pretending he was all offseason.
Vogelbach must have gone fucking nutso this week because a few days ago, his ISO was exactly .200.
EDIT: Two dingers and three doubles in his last four games. That'll do it.
Quote from: ChuckD on April 24, 2015, 08:44:27 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 24, 2015, 08:43:27 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 24, 2015, 08:41:26 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 24, 2015, 08:27:35 AM
Jeremy Null? (http://wrigleyville.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2015/04/24/young-cubs-bp-wrigleyville-minor-league-update/)
Quote from: Some Prospectus Rando
The early minor-league season oftentimes yields some nice surprises, and among the best for the Cubs system this season is Jeremy Null. The 21-year-old righty was the 15th-round selection of the Cubs last year out of Western Carolina. He had slipped in the draft due to concerns about dipping velocity throughout his junior season, so the Cubs took a flyer on him, and the thought was that he would probably go back to school for his senior season with a chance to improve his draft stock. Instead, he surprised by signing with the Cubs and now, in his first full pro season, is starting for Low-A South Bend. His velocity has gotten back up into the low 90s and he locates all his pitches quite well, as he has no walks yet through three starts. While it is still unclear what Null could become, a poor man's Doug Fister would not be out of the question. He should move up to Myrtle Beach soon, at which point we'll start to get a better picture of him as a pitcher.
True Story: He and Pat Venditte are about to start breaking lots of laptop baseball stuff.
Is he ambidextrous too?
No. He doesn't exist. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_%28SQL%29)
*snort*
*pushes glasses back up on nose*
Quote from: Tonker on April 24, 2015, 08:54:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 08:49:23 AM
Vogelbach and Schwarber continue to murder AA pitching.
Vogelbach: .426/.534/.702/1.237
Schwarber: .371/.511/.629/1.140
At this rate Vogelbach really will become the lucrative trade chip fans have been pretending he was all offseason.
Vogelbach must have gone fucking nutso this week because a few days ago, his ISO was exactly .200.
He got hotter than shit about two weeks ago.
DATE OPP AB R H HR RBI BB SO SB AVG
04/12/2015 @MIS 5 1 3 0 2 0 1 0 .400
04/13/2015 @MIS 3 1 2 0 0 2 0 0 .444
04/16/2015 PNS 3 1 2 0 0 1 1 0 .476
04/17/2015 PNS 3 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 .500
04/17/2015 PNS 3 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 .556
04/18/2015 PNS 4 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 .484
04/20/2015 @JXN 4 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 .457
04/21/2015 @JXN 4 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 .436
04/22/2015 @JXN 5 2 2 1 5 1 0 0 .432
04/23/2015 @JXN 3 2 1 0 0 3 0 0 .426
TOTALS 37 8 17 2 8 8 2 0 .459
Quote from: Tonker on April 24, 2015, 08:54:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 08:49:23 AM
Vogelbach and Schwarber continue to murder AA pitching.
Vogelbach: .426/.534/.702/1.237
Schwarber: .371/.511/.629/1.140
At this rate Vogelbach really will become the lucrative trade chip fans have been pretending he was all offseason.
Vogelbach must have gone fucking nutso this week because a few days ago, his ISO was exactly .200.
EDIT: Two dingers and three doubles in his last four games. That'll do it.
Nice to see. For all of his BMI, he's never really hit for a ton of power -- he's profiled as mostly a singles and doubles guy.
The DH can't get to the NL soon enough.
And Schwarber. Good Lord.
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 09:21:08 AM
Quote from: Tonker on April 24, 2015, 08:54:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 08:49:23 AM
Vogelbach and Schwarber continue to murder AA pitching.
Vogelbach: .426/.534/.702/1.237
Schwarber: .371/.511/.629/1.140
At this rate Vogelbach really will become the lucrative trade chip fans have been pretending he was all offseason.
Vogelbach must have gone fucking nutso this week because a few days ago, his ISO was exactly .200.
EDIT: Two dingers and three doubles in his last four games. That'll do it.
Nice to see. For all of his BMI, he's never really hit for a ton of power -- he's profiled as mostly a singles and doubles guy.
The DH can't get to the NL soon enough.
And Schwarber. Good Lord.
I heard he worked out a lot and lost some weight because he hopes to stay at first, which would definitely make him more tradeable, in addition to explaining why the power has spiked.
Also another really good sign: Schwarber's K:BB is 10:10, and Vogelbach's is 3:11. Neither's a free swinger.
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 09:24:19 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 09:21:08 AM
Quote from: Tonker on April 24, 2015, 08:54:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 08:49:23 AM
Vogelbach and Schwarber continue to murder AA pitching.
Vogelbach: .426/.534/.702/1.237
Schwarber: .371/.511/.629/1.140
At this rate Vogelbach really will become the lucrative trade chip fans have been pretending he was all offseason.
Vogelbach must have gone fucking nutso this week because a few days ago, his ISO was exactly .200.
EDIT: Two dingers and three doubles in his last four games. That'll do it.
Nice to see. For all of his BMI, he's never really hit for a ton of power -- he's profiled as mostly a singles and doubles guy.
The DH can't get to the NL soon enough.
And Schwarber. Good Lord.
I heard he worked out a lot and lost some weight because he hopes to stay at first, which would definitely make him more tradeable, in addition to explaining why the power has spiked.
Also another really good sign: Schwarber's K:BB is 10:10, and Vogelbach's is 3:11. Neither's a free swinger.
Almora's is 4:5, so he's better than Schwarber.
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 09:47:37 AM
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Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 09:21:08 AM
Quote from: Tonker on April 24, 2015, 08:54:34 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 08:49:23 AM
Vogelbach and Schwarber continue to murder AA pitching.
Vogelbach: .426/.534/.702/1.237
Schwarber: .371/.511/.629/1.140
At this rate Vogelbach really will become the lucrative trade chip fans have been pretending he was all offseason.
Vogelbach must have gone fucking nutso this week because a few days ago, his ISO was exactly .200.
EDIT: Two dingers and three doubles in his last four games. That'll do it.
Nice to see. For all of his BMI, he's never really hit for a ton of power -- he's profiled as mostly a singles and doubles guy.
The DH can't get to the NL soon enough.
And Schwarber. Good Lord.
I heard he worked out a lot and lost some weight because he hopes to stay at first, which would definitely make him more tradeable, in addition to explaining why the power has spiked.
Also another really good sign: Schwarber's K:BB is 10:10, and Vogelbach's is 3:11. Neither's a free swinger.
Almora's is 4:5, so he's better than Schwarber.
In the last week I've added "The Guy Who Hates Albert Almora" and "Unemployed" to my meme resume, so I've had a pretty solid week.
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 09:47:37 AM
Almora's is 4:5, so he's better than Schwarber.
It's good to see him drawing some walks, but I wonder if that's his sole focus right now because he's barely hitting anything. He's basically one more 0-fer from having his slugging percentage drop into the .200s.
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 10:00:18 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 09:47:37 AM
Almora's is 4:5, so he's better than Schwarber.
It's good to see him drawing some walks, but I wonder if that's his sole focus right now because he's barely hitting anything. He's basically one more 0-fer from having his slugging percentage drop into the .200s.
Some of the quotes I saw in Spring Training indicate that Almora is at least intellectually aware that he needs to not swing at everything...like just because he
can hit a ball doesn't mean he should always try to. One specific quote was (paraphrasing) "I took a pitch on the corner and thought I screwed up but the umpire called it a ball so I was like 'oh' like a lightbulb went off" that sort of thing.
I think it's clear the kid's smart and possibly even a little analytical. That's not necessarily a good thing in general but if his approach is to see more pitches--and
take more pitches-- and learn to discover what he can drive-- I'm okay with his BA and SLG taking a dip for the time being. Let's see how his numbers look in July/August, shall we?
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 10:00:18 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 09:47:37 AM
Almora's is 4:5, so he's better than Schwarber.
It's good to see him drawing some walks, but I wonder if that's his sole focus right now because he's barely hitting anything. He's basically one more 0-fer from having his slugging percentage drop into the .200s.
His slugging sucks, but his last 10 games he's hitting .302 with 3 Ks, 3 BBs, 2 2Bs. .720 SLG last 10 games.
Maybe he's just working on the zone and contact? 8 days past B-day 21. Take your time, kid.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 24, 2015, 10:10:26 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 10:00:18 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 09:47:37 AM
Almora's is 4:5, so he's better than Schwarber.
It's good to see him drawing some walks, but I wonder if that's his sole focus right now because he's barely hitting anything. He's basically one more 0-fer from having his slugging percentage drop into the .200s.
His slugging sucks, but his last 10 games he's hitting .302 with 3 Ks, 3 BBs, 2 2Bs. .720 SLG last 10 games.
Maybe he's just working on the zone and contact? 8 days past B-day 21. Take your time, kid.
I don't know where you get your numbers but there's no way in hell a guy who has played 13 games total has slugged .720 over his last 10 and still has a season slugging % of .327
By my amateur and awful math he's slugging like .372 in his last 10 games.
Unless you mean he's OPS'ing .720 in his last ten games, in which case, woo?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 24, 2015, 10:10:26 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 10:00:18 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 09:47:37 AM
Almora's is 4:5, so he's better than Schwarber.
It's good to see him drawing some walks, but I wonder if that's his sole focus right now because he's barely hitting anything. He's basically one more 0-fer from having his slugging percentage drop into the .200s.
His slugging sucks, but his last 10 games he's hitting .302 with 3 Ks, 3 BBs, 2 2Bs. .720 SLG last 10 games.
Maybe he's just working on the zone and contact? 8 days past B-day 21. Take your time, kid.
How many games?
Quote from: Yeti on April 24, 2015, 10:39:34 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 24, 2015, 10:10:26 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 10:00:18 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 09:47:37 AM
Almora's is 4:5, so he's better than Schwarber.
It's good to see him drawing some walks, but I wonder if that's his sole focus right now because he's barely hitting anything. He's basically one more 0-fer from having his slugging percentage drop into the .200s.
His slugging sucks, but his last 10 games he's hitting .302 with 3 Ks, 3 BBs, 2 2Bs. .720 SLG last 10 games.
Maybe he's just working on the zone and contact? 8 days past B-day 21. Take your time, kid.
How many games?
720
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 10:40:54 AM
Quote from: Yeti on April 24, 2015, 10:39:34 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 24, 2015, 10:10:26 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 10:00:18 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 09:47:37 AM
Almora's is 4:5, so he's better than Schwarber.
It's good to see him drawing some walks, but I wonder if that's his sole focus right now because he's barely hitting anything. He's basically one more 0-fer from having his slugging percentage drop into the .200s.
His slugging sucks, but his last 10 games he's hitting .302 with 3 Ks, 3 BBs, 2 2Bs. .720 SLG last 10 games.
Maybe he's just working on the zone and contact? 8 days past B-day 21. Take your time, kid.
How many games?
720
Also the "he's just 21" argument is great for Javy Baez K'ing against big league sliders. For a position player in AA in his fourth professional season it's more or less par for the course. No one is saying give up on Albert Almora but to act like it's all fine because he's still some wet behind the ear kid going against tougher competition is misleading.
If he finally reaches the majors in 2017 as a barely average offensive player, if that, I think it's safe to say that's kind of a disappointing return on a top ten pick. Doesn't make him a bust or anything. Just a lot of meh.
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 10:50:41 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 10:40:54 AM
Quote from: Yeti on April 24, 2015, 10:39:34 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 24, 2015, 10:10:26 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 10:00:18 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 09:47:37 AM
Almora's is 4:5, so he's better than Schwarber.
It's good to see him drawing some walks, but I wonder if that's his sole focus right now because he's barely hitting anything. He's basically one more 0-fer from having his slugging percentage drop into the .200s.
His slugging sucks, but his last 10 games he's hitting .302 with 3 Ks, 3 BBs, 2 2Bs. .720 SLG last 10 games.
Maybe he's just working on the zone and contact? 8 days past B-day 21. Take your time, kid.
How many games?
720
Also the "he's just 21" argument is great for Javy Baez K'ing against big league sliders. For a position player in AA in his fourth professional season it's more or less par for the course. No one is saying give up on Albert Almora but to act like it's all fine because he's still some wet behind the ear kid going against tougher competition is misleading.
If he finally reaches the majors in 2017 as a barely average offensive player, if that, I think it's safe to say that's kind of a disappointing return on a top ten pick. Doesn't make him a bust or anything. Just a lot of meh.
Fine. I'll just predict that he'll make the majors in 2016 as a barely average offensive player.
In 2017 he'll be good.
Happy?
Quote from: PANK! on April 24, 2015, 10:55:46 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 10:50:41 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 10:40:54 AM
Quote from: Yeti on April 24, 2015, 10:39:34 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 24, 2015, 10:10:26 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 10:00:18 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 09:47:37 AM
Almora's is 4:5, so he's better than Schwarber.
It's good to see him drawing some walks, but I wonder if that's his sole focus right now because he's barely hitting anything. He's basically one more 0-fer from having his slugging percentage drop into the .200s.
His slugging sucks, but his last 10 games he's hitting .302 with 3 Ks, 3 BBs, 2 2Bs. .720 SLG last 10 games.
Maybe he's just working on the zone and contact? 8 days past B-day 21. Take your time, kid.
How many games?
720
Also the "he's just 21" argument is great for Javy Baez K'ing against big league sliders. For a position player in AA in his fourth professional season it's more or less par for the course. No one is saying give up on Albert Almora but to act like it's all fine because he's still some wet behind the ear kid going against tougher competition is misleading.
If he finally reaches the majors in 2017 as a barely average offensive player, if that, I think it's safe to say that's kind of a disappointing return on a top ten pick. Doesn't make him a bust or anything. Just a lot of meh.
Fine. I'll just predict that he'll make the majors in 2016 as a barely average offensive player.
In 2017 he'll be good.
Happy?
That's fine? I want him to be good. I don't hate the kid, I don't want him to fail in order to validate my own fear or opinion. I'm not Chuck. I just want someone out there to find a guy who put up the kind of numbers Almora's managed in AA so far and then went on to actually be any good.
I feel like the people shouting he'll be fine because "he's a good kid" and "he's got all of the tools" seem indicative of an outdated mindset. It seems to me most guys don't really do their growing in the majors. If they're good they usually just reach a point where they can do in the majors what they did in the minors, so if a guy isn't putting up any kind of good numbers in the minors, I think that's a 100% legit reason to be concerned, and no matter of "he's just figuring it out!" makes me any less concerned because literally every prospect in AA is "a good kid" who is "figuring it out". That's why farm systems exist.
Seriously, someone find that person. It'd make me feel better.
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 10:58:26 AM
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Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 10:00:18 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 09:47:37 AM
Almora's is 4:5, so he's better than Schwarber.
It's good to see him drawing some walks, but I wonder if that's his sole focus right now because he's barely hitting anything. He's basically one more 0-fer from having his slugging percentage drop into the .200s.
His slugging sucks, but his last 10 games he's hitting .302 with 3 Ks, 3 BBs, 2 2Bs. .720 SLG last 10 games.
Maybe he's just working on the zone and contact? 8 days past B-day 21. Take your time, kid.
How many games?
720
Also the "he's just 21" argument is great for Javy Baez K'ing against big league sliders. For a position player in AA in his fourth professional season it's more or less par for the course. No one is saying give up on Albert Almora but to act like it's all fine because he's still some wet behind the ear kid going against tougher competition is misleading.
If he finally reaches the majors in 2017 as a barely average offensive player, if that, I think it's safe to say that's kind of a disappointing return on a top ten pick. Doesn't make him a bust or anything. Just a lot of meh.
Fine. I'll just predict that he'll make the majors in 2016 as a barely average offensive player.
In 2017 he'll be good.
Happy?
That's fine? I want him to be good. I don't hate the kid, I don't want him to fail in order to validate my own fear or opinion. I'm not Chuck. I just want someone out there to find a guy who put up the kind of numbers Almora's managed in AA so far and then went on to actually be any good.
I feel like the people shouting he'll be fine because "he's a good kid" and "he's got all of the tools" seem indicative of an outdated mindset. It seems to me most guys don't really do their growing in the majors. If they're good they usually just reach a point where they can do in the majors what they did in the minors, so if a guy isn't putting up any kind of good numbers in the minors, I think that's a 100% legit reason to be concerned, and no matter of "he's just figuring it out!" makes me any less concerned because literally every prospect in AA is "a good kid" who is "figuring it out". That's why farm systems exist.
Seriously, someone find that person. It'd make me feel better.
I've completely written him off. If he turns into anything more than a 5th outfielder on a good team, that would be fantastic. I don't know if he will and I absolutely do not care. I was told that not all prospects pan out. Bryant and Soler look like they'll pan out. Russell, we'll see. I have hope for Baez but if some top prospect has to fail because science, I choose Almora.
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 24, 2015, 10:10:26 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 10:00:18 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 09:47:37 AM
Almora's is 4:5, so he's better than Schwarber.
It's good to see him drawing some walks, but I wonder if that's his sole focus right now because he's barely hitting anything. He's basically one more 0-fer from having his slugging percentage drop into the .200s.
His slugging sucks, but his last 10 games he's hitting .302 with 3 Ks, 3 BBs, 2 2Bs. .720 SLG last 10 games.
Maybe he's just working on the zone and contact? 8 days past B-day 21. Take your time, kid.
How many games?
720
Also the "he's just 21" argument is great for Javy Baez K'ing against big league sliders. For a position player in AA in his fourth professional season it's more or less par for the course. No one is saying give up on Albert Almora but to act like it's all fine because he's still some wet behind the ear kid going against tougher competition is misleading.
If he finally reaches the majors in 2017 as a barely average offensive player, if that, I think it's safe to say that's kind of a disappointing return on a top ten pick. Doesn't make him a bust or anything. Just a lot of meh.
Fine. I'll just predict that he'll make the majors in 2016 as a barely average offensive player.
In 2017 he'll be good.
Happy?
That's fine? I want him to be good. I don't hate the kid, I don't want him to fail in order to validate my own fear or opinion. I'm not Chuck. I just want someone out there to find a guy who put up the kind of numbers Almora's managed in AA so far and then went on to actually be any good.
I feel like the people shouting he'll be fine because "he's a good kid" and "he's got all of the tools" seem indicative of an outdated mindset. It seems to me most guys don't really do their growing in the majors. If they're good they usually just reach a point where they can do in the majors what they did in the minors, so if a guy isn't putting up any kind of good numbers in the minors, I think that's a 100% legit reason to be concerned, and no matter of "he's just figuring it out!" makes me any less concerned because literally every prospect in AA is "a good kid" who is "figuring it out". That's why farm systems exist.
Seriously, someone find that person. It'd make me feel better.
I've completely written him off. If he turns into anything more than a 5th outfielder on a good team, that would be fantastic. I don't know if he will and I absolutely do not care. I was told that not all prospects pan out. Bryant and Soler look like they'll pan out. Russell, we'll see. I have hope for Baez but if some top prospect has to fail because science, I choose Almora.
I don't know what it is. If a Hendry prospect was putting up Almora's numbers and we were spoonfed the same "he's a great kid" shit we'd have all cried bullshit from the highest rooftops, but acting like there's more reason to be concerned than than there is positive about Almora is like pissing directly on Theo Epstein's face or something. Like you said, prospects don't always pan out. You can be down on Almora and still think overall this front office has done an excellent job. If Jorge Soler and Kris Bryant alone were the only two successes of the draft/amateur signing side of Theo's rebuild that's still a massive haul. I'm guessing Russell and Schwarber are both also going to be good, but I don't see why pointing out the obvious that Almora doesn't look great is so controversial.
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 10:58:26 AM
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Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 10:00:18 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 09:47:37 AM
Almora's is 4:5, so he's better than Schwarber.
It's good to see him drawing some walks, but I wonder if that's his sole focus right now because he's barely hitting anything. He's basically one more 0-fer from having his slugging percentage drop into the .200s.
His slugging sucks, but his last 10 games he's hitting .302 with 3 Ks, 3 BBs, 2 2Bs. .720 SLG last 10 games.
Maybe he's just working on the zone and contact? 8 days past B-day 21. Take your time, kid.
How many games?
720
Also the "he's just 21" argument is great for Javy Baez K'ing against big league sliders. For a position player in AA in his fourth professional season it's more or less par for the course. No one is saying give up on Albert Almora but to act like it's all fine because he's still some wet behind the ear kid going against tougher competition is misleading.
If he finally reaches the majors in 2017 as a barely average offensive player, if that, I think it's safe to say that's kind of a disappointing return on a top ten pick. Doesn't make him a bust or anything. Just a lot of meh.
Fine. I'll just predict that he'll make the majors in 2016 as a barely average offensive player.
In 2017 he'll be good.
Happy?
That's fine? I want him to be good. I don't hate the kid, I don't want him to fail in order to validate my own fear or opinion. I'm not Chuck. I just want someone out there to find a guy who put up the kind of numbers Almora's managed in AA so far and then went on to actually be any good.
I feel like the people shouting he'll be fine because "he's a good kid" and "he's got all of the tools" seem indicative of an outdated mindset. It seems to me most guys don't really do their growing in the majors. If they're good they usually just reach a point where they can do in the majors what they did in the minors, so if a guy isn't putting up any kind of good numbers in the minors, I think that's a 100% legit reason to be concerned, and no matter of "he's just figuring it out!" makes me any less concerned because literally every prospect in AA is "a good kid" who is "figuring it out". That's why farm systems exist.
Seriously, someone find that person. It'd make me feel better.
You want to find someone who went .240/.270/.350/.620 In their first 200 or so plate appearances at AA who went on to become above-average? If I had more time I'm sure I could unearth one but I suspect we're not exactly looking for a dodo bird. Those numbers are not good but, like I said, I'm willing to see where he's at with double the plate appearances before I start thinking he's a bust.
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Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 09:47:37 AM
Almora's is 4:5, so he's better than Schwarber.
It's good to see him drawing some walks, but I wonder if that's his sole focus right now because he's barely hitting anything. He's basically one more 0-fer from having his slugging percentage drop into the .200s.
His slugging sucks, but his last 10 games he's hitting .302 with 3 Ks, 3 BBs, 2 2Bs. .720 SLG last 10 games.
Maybe he's just working on the zone and contact? 8 days past B-day 21. Take your time, kid.
How many games?
720
Also the "he's just 21" argument is great for Javy Baez K'ing against big league sliders. For a position player in AA in his fourth professional season it's more or less par for the course. No one is saying give up on Albert Almora but to act like it's all fine because he's still some wet behind the ear kid going against tougher competition is misleading.
If he finally reaches the majors in 2017 as a barely average offensive player, if that, I think it's safe to say that's kind of a disappointing return on a top ten pick. Doesn't make him a bust or anything. Just a lot of meh.
Fine. I'll just predict that he'll make the majors in 2016 as a barely average offensive player.
In 2017 he'll be good.
Happy?
That's fine? I want him to be good. I don't hate the kid, I don't want him to fail in order to validate my own fear or opinion. I'm not Chuck. I just want someone out there to find a guy who put up the kind of numbers Almora's managed in AA so far and then went on to actually be any good.
I feel like the people shouting he'll be fine because "he's a good kid" and "he's got all of the tools" seem indicative of an outdated mindset. It seems to me most guys don't really do their growing in the majors. If they're good they usually just reach a point where they can do in the majors what they did in the minors, so if a guy isn't putting up any kind of good numbers in the minors, I think that's a 100% legit reason to be concerned, and no matter of "he's just figuring it out!" makes me any less concerned because literally every prospect in AA is "a good kid" who is "figuring it out". That's why farm systems exist.
Seriously, someone find that person. It'd make me feel better.
I've completely written him off. If he turns into anything more than a 5th outfielder on a good team, that would be fantastic. I don't know if he will and I absolutely do not care. I was told that not all prospects pan out. Bryant and Soler look like they'll pan out. Russell, we'll see. I have hope for Baez but if some top prospect has to fail because science, I choose Almora.
I don't know what it is. If a Hendry prospect was putting up Almora's numbers and we were spoonfed the same "he's a great kid" shit we'd have all cried bullshit from the highest rooftops, but acting like there's more reason to be concerned than than there is positive about Almora is like pissing directly on Theo Epstein's face or something. Like you said, prospects don't always pan out. You can be down on Almora and still think overall this front office has done an excellent job. If Jorge Soler and Kris Bryant alone were the only two successes of the draft/amateur signing side of Theo's rebuild that's still a massive haul. I'm guessing Russell and Schwarber are both also going to be good, but I don't see why pointing out the obvious that Almora doesn't look great is so controversial.
There's all kinds of manifested Id in this post...I think I'm just gonna keep walking.
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Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 09:47:37 AM
Almora's is 4:5, so he's better than Schwarber.
It's good to see him drawing some walks, but I wonder if that's his sole focus right now because he's barely hitting anything. He's basically one more 0-fer from having his slugging percentage drop into the .200s.
His slugging sucks, but his last 10 games he's hitting .302 with 3 Ks, 3 BBs, 2 2Bs. .720 SLG last 10 games.
Maybe he's just working on the zone and contact? 8 days past B-day 21. Take your time, kid.
How many games?
720
Also the "he's just 21" argument is great for Javy Baez K'ing against big league sliders. For a position player in AA in his fourth professional season it's more or less par for the course. No one is saying give up on Albert Almora but to act like it's all fine because he's still some wet behind the ear kid going against tougher competition is misleading.
If he finally reaches the majors in 2017 as a barely average offensive player, if that, I think it's safe to say that's kind of a disappointing return on a top ten pick. Doesn't make him a bust or anything. Just a lot of meh.
Fine. I'll just predict that he'll make the majors in 2016 as a barely average offensive player.
In 2017 he'll be good.
Happy?
That's fine? I want him to be good. I don't hate the kid, I don't want him to fail in order to validate my own fear or opinion. I'm not Chuck. I just want someone out there to find a guy who put up the kind of numbers Almora's managed in AA so far and then went on to actually be any good.
I feel like the people shouting he'll be fine because "he's a good kid" and "he's got all of the tools" seem indicative of an outdated mindset. It seems to me most guys don't really do their growing in the majors. If they're good they usually just reach a point where they can do in the majors what they did in the minors, so if a guy isn't putting up any kind of good numbers in the minors, I think that's a 100% legit reason to be concerned, and no matter of "he's just figuring it out!" makes me any less concerned because literally every prospect in AA is "a good kid" who is "figuring it out". That's why farm systems exist.
Seriously, someone find that person. It'd make me feel better.
I've completely written him off. If he turns into anything more than a 5th outfielder on a good team, that would be fantastic. I don't know if he will and I absolutely do not care. I was told that not all prospects pan out. Bryant and Soler look like they'll pan out. Russell, we'll see. I have hope for Baez but if some top prospect has to fail because science, I choose Almora.
What about Russell makes you think he won't pan out? Or are you just saying it's still too early to tell yet?
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Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 09:47:37 AM
Almora's is 4:5, so he's better than Schwarber.
It's good to see him drawing some walks, but I wonder if that's his sole focus right now because he's barely hitting anything. He's basically one more 0-fer from having his slugging percentage drop into the .200s.
His slugging sucks, but his last 10 games he's hitting .302 with 3 Ks, 3 BBs, 2 2Bs. .720 SLG last 10 games.
Maybe he's just working on the zone and contact? 8 days past B-day 21. Take your time, kid.
How many games?
720
Also the "he's just 21" argument is great for Javy Baez K'ing against big league sliders. For a position player in AA in his fourth professional season it's more or less par for the course. No one is saying give up on Albert Almora but to act like it's all fine because he's still some wet behind the ear kid going against tougher competition is misleading.
If he finally reaches the majors in 2017 as a barely average offensive player, if that, I think it's safe to say that's kind of a disappointing return on a top ten pick. Doesn't make him a bust or anything. Just a lot of meh.
Fine. I'll just predict that he'll make the majors in 2016 as a barely average offensive player.
In 2017 he'll be good.
Happy?
That's fine? I want him to be good. I don't hate the kid, I don't want him to fail in order to validate my own fear or opinion. I'm not Chuck. I just want someone out there to find a guy who put up the kind of numbers Almora's managed in AA so far and then went on to actually be any good.
I feel like the people shouting he'll be fine because "he's a good kid" and "he's got all of the tools" seem indicative of an outdated mindset. It seems to me most guys don't really do their growing in the majors. If they're good they usually just reach a point where they can do in the majors what they did in the minors, so if a guy isn't putting up any kind of good numbers in the minors, I think that's a 100% legit reason to be concerned, and no matter of "he's just figuring it out!" makes me any less concerned because literally every prospect in AA is "a good kid" who is "figuring it out". That's why farm systems exist.
Seriously, someone find that person. It'd make me feel better.
I've completely written him off. If he turns into anything more than a 5th outfielder on a good team, that would be fantastic. I don't know if he will and I absolutely do not care. I was told that not all prospects pan out. Bryant and Soler look like they'll pan out. Russell, we'll see. I have hope for Baez but if some top prospect has to fail because science, I choose Almora.
What about Russell makes you think he won't pan out? Or are you just saying it's still too early to tell yet?
I'm saying it's too early to tell. But the minor league numbers and age give me plenty of hope. He could even fail in this call up and get sent down and I'd have plenty of hope left in the hope vessel.
Everyone's panning out, and the Cubs will have a minimum eight-peat as World Champions.
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Almora's is 4:5, so he's better than Schwarber.
It's good to see him drawing some walks, but I wonder if that's his sole focus right now because he's barely hitting anything. He's basically one more 0-fer from having his slugging percentage drop into the .200s.
His slugging sucks, but his last 10 games he's hitting .302 with 3 Ks, 3 BBs, 2 2Bs. .720 SLG last 10 games.
Maybe he's just working on the zone and contact? 8 days past B-day 21. Take your time, kid.
How many games?
720
Also the "he's just 21" argument is great for Javy Baez K'ing against big league sliders. For a position player in AA in his fourth professional season it's more or less par for the course. No one is saying give up on Albert Almora but to act like it's all fine because he's still some wet behind the ear kid going against tougher competition is misleading.
If he finally reaches the majors in 2017 as a barely average offensive player, if that, I think it's safe to say that's kind of a disappointing return on a top ten pick. Doesn't make him a bust or anything. Just a lot of meh.
Fine. I'll just predict that he'll make the majors in 2016 as a barely average offensive player.
In 2017 he'll be good.
Happy?
That's fine? I want him to be good. I don't hate the kid, I don't want him to fail in order to validate my own fear or opinion. I'm not Chuck. I just want someone out there to find a guy who put up the kind of numbers Almora's managed in AA so far and then went on to actually be any good.
I feel like the people shouting he'll be fine because "he's a good kid" and "he's got all of the tools" seem indicative of an outdated mindset. It seems to me most guys don't really do their growing in the majors. If they're good they usually just reach a point where they can do in the majors what they did in the minors, so if a guy isn't putting up any kind of good numbers in the minors, I think that's a 100% legit reason to be concerned, and no matter of "he's just figuring it out!" makes me any less concerned because literally every prospect in AA is "a good kid" who is "figuring it out". That's why farm systems exist.
Seriously, someone find that person. It'd make me feel better.
I've completely written him off. If he turns into anything more than a 5th outfielder on a good team, that would be fantastic. I don't know if he will and I absolutely do not care. I was told that not all prospects pan out. Bryant and Soler look like they'll pan out. Russell, we'll see. I have hope for Baez but if some top prospect has to fail because science, I choose Almora.
I don't know what it is. If a Hendry prospect was putting up Almora's numbers and we were spoonfed the same "he's a great kid" shit we'd have all cried bullshit from the highest rooftops, but acting like there's more reason to be concerned than than there is positive about Almora is like pissing directly on Theo Epstein's face or something. Like you said, prospects don't always pan out. You can be down on Almora and still think overall this front office has done an excellent job. If Jorge Soler and Kris Bryant alone were the only two successes of the draft/amateur signing side of Theo's rebuild that's still a massive haul. I'm guessing Russell and Schwarber are both also going to be good, but I don't see why pointing out the obvious that Almora doesn't look great is so controversial.
There's all kinds of manifested Id in this post...I think I'm just gonna keep walking.
Yes, there's a deep psychological underpinning behind worrying that a guy with a sub-Juan Pierresian OPS in AA won't be good, and wondering why everyone else seems to think it'll all be peechy keen. Cram it, Dogtor Bogtrot, Optoat Pyscologhist.
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I don't know what it is. If a Hendry prospect was putting up Almora's numbers and we were spoonfed the same "he's a great kid" shit we'd have all cried bullshit from the highest rooftops, but acting like there's more reason to be concerned than than there is positive about Almora is like pissing directly on Theo Epstein's face or something. Like you said, prospects don't always pan out. You can be down on Almora and still think overall this front office has done an excellent job. If Jorge Soler and Kris Bryant alone were the only two successes of the draft/amateur signing side of Theo's rebuild that's still a massive haul. I'm guessing Russell and Schwarber are both also going to be good, but I don't see why pointing out the obvious that Almora doesn't look great is so controversial.
There's all kinds of manifested Id in this post...I think I'm just gonna keep walking.
Yes, there's a deep psychological underpinning behind worrying that a guy with a sub-Juan Pierresian OPS in AA won't be good, and wondering why everyone else seems to think it'll all be peechy keen. Cram it, Dogtor Bogtrot, Optoat Pyscologhist.
Yeah it was more a comment about how you manage to extrapolate and ascribe so much deductive reasoning to the Straw Man you seem to spend so much time arguing with, rather than the real person with whom it would appear you're engaged in discussion. For example, the fact that Almora was not a Hendry pick wasn't even on my mind so I was amused at having to take a backseat in my discussion with you to some mythical arguer.
You: I'm afraid Almora won't pan out (lists reasons)
Me: I'm holding out hope that he still will (lists reasosn).
You: YOU FUCKING THEO DONGCHUGGERS ARE ALL THE SAME. YOU'RE AFRAID TO CRITICIZE THEM--DON'T WORRY DUDE JUST BECAUSE ALMORA'S A BOMB DOESN'T MEAN THEY FAILED.
Me: lol wat?
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I don't know what it is. If a Hendry prospect was putting up Almora's numbers and we were spoonfed the same "he's a great kid" shit we'd have all cried bullshit from the highest rooftops, but acting like there's more reason to be concerned than than there is positive about Almora is like pissing directly on Theo Epstein's face or something. Like you said, prospects don't always pan out. You can be down on Almora and still think overall this front office has done an excellent job. If Jorge Soler and Kris Bryant alone were the only two successes of the draft/amateur signing side of Theo's rebuild that's still a massive haul. I'm guessing Russell and Schwarber are both also going to be good, but I don't see why pointing out the obvious that Almora doesn't look great is so controversial.
There's all kinds of manifested Id in this post...I think I'm just gonna keep walking.
Yes, there's a deep psychological underpinning behind worrying that a guy with a sub-Juan Pierresian OPS in AA won't be good, and wondering why everyone else seems to think it'll all be peechy keen. Cram it, Dogtor Bogtrot, Optoat Pyscologhist.
Yeah it was more a comment about how you manage to extrapolate and ascribe so much deductive reasoning to the Straw Man you seem to spend so much time arguing with, rather than the real person with whom it would appear you're engaged in discussion. For example, the fact that Almora was not a Hendry pick wasn't even on my mind so I was amused at having to take a backseat in my discussion with you to some mythical arguer.
You: I'm afraid Almora won't pan out (lists reasons)
Me: I'm holding out hope that he still will (lists reasosn).
You: YOU FUCKING THEO DONGCHUGGERS ARE ALL THE SAME. YOU'RE AFRAID TO CRITICIZE THEM--DON'T WORRY DUDE JUST BECAUSE ALMORA'S A BOMB DOESN'T MEAN THEY FAILED.
Me: lol wat?
It's not really just you, it's more that any time I've seen anyone express concern that Almora might suck the response is always "list of reasons (mostly intangible and full of scout euphemisms) why he won't, he's young, blah blah" and not "yeah, I know, it doesn't look great, but I hope not?" or "here's some historical examples of players off to similar starts to their pro careers who rebounded to be good." The fact that no one has thrown them out when we had Bryant comps and Russell comps out the ass before either of them played a game makes me think there's not too many examples of Albert Almora types panning out.
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I don't know what it is. If a Hendry prospect was putting up Almora's numbers and we were spoonfed the same "he's a great kid" shit we'd have all cried bullshit from the highest rooftops, but acting like there's more reason to be concerned than than there is positive about Almora is like pissing directly on Theo Epstein's face or something. Like you said, prospects don't always pan out. You can be down on Almora and still think overall this front office has done an excellent job. If Jorge Soler and Kris Bryant alone were the only two successes of the draft/amateur signing side of Theo's rebuild that's still a massive haul. I'm guessing Russell and Schwarber are both also going to be good, but I don't see why pointing out the obvious that Almora doesn't look great is so controversial.
There's all kinds of manifested Id in this post...I think I'm just gonna keep walking.
Yes, there's a deep psychological underpinning behind worrying that a guy with a sub-Juan Pierresian OPS in AA won't be good, and wondering why everyone else seems to think it'll all be peechy keen. Cram it, Dogtor Bogtrot, Optoat Pyscologhist.
Yeah it was more a comment about how you manage to extrapolate and ascribe so much deductive reasoning to the Straw Man you seem to spend so much time arguing with, rather than the real person with whom it would appear you're engaged in discussion. For example, the fact that Almora was not a Hendry pick wasn't even on my mind so I was amused at having to take a backseat in my discussion with you to some mythical arguer.
You: I'm afraid Almora won't pan out (lists reasons)
Me: I'm holding out hope that he still will (lists reasosn).
You: YOU FUCKING THEO DONGCHUGGERS ARE ALL THE SAME. YOU'RE AFRAID TO CRITICIZE THEM--DON'T WORRY DUDE JUST BECAUSE ALMORA'S A BOMB DOESN'T MEAN THEY FAILED.
Me: lol wat?
It's not really just you, it's more that any time I've seen anyone express concern that Almora might suck the response is always "list of reasons (mostly intangible and full of scout euphemisms) why he won't, he's young, blah blah" and not "yeah, I know, it doesn't look great, but I hope not?" or "here's some historical examples of players off to similar starts to their pro careers who rebounded to be good." The fact that no one has thrown them out when we had Bryant comps and Russell comps out the ass before either of them played a game makes me think there's not too many examples of Albert Almora types panning out.
DPD, but if you don't think the general (deserved) positivity toward the Theo Regime has had some influence on people not freaking out over Almora's start, you're kidding yourself.
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I don't know what it is. If a Hendry prospect was putting up Almora's numbers and we were spoonfed the same "he's a great kid" shit we'd have all cried bullshit from the highest rooftops, but acting like there's more reason to be concerned than than there is positive about Almora is like pissing directly on Theo Epstein's face or something. Like you said, prospects don't always pan out. You can be down on Almora and still think overall this front office has done an excellent job. If Jorge Soler and Kris Bryant alone were the only two successes of the draft/amateur signing side of Theo's rebuild that's still a massive haul. I'm guessing Russell and Schwarber are both also going to be good, but I don't see why pointing out the obvious that Almora doesn't look great is so controversial.
There's all kinds of manifested Id in this post...I think I'm just gonna keep walking.
Yes, there's a deep psychological underpinning behind worrying that a guy with a sub-Juan Pierresian OPS in AA won't be good, and wondering why everyone else seems to think it'll all be peechy keen. Cram it, Dogtor Bogtrot, Optoat Pyscologhist.
Yeah it was more a comment about how you manage to extrapolate and ascribe so much deductive reasoning to the Straw Man you seem to spend so much time arguing with, rather than the real person with whom it would appear you're engaged in discussion. For example, the fact that Almora was not a Hendry pick wasn't even on my mind so I was amused at having to take a backseat in my discussion with you to some mythical arguer.
You: I'm afraid Almora won't pan out (lists reasons)
Me: I'm holding out hope that he still will (lists reasosn).
You: YOU FUCKING THEO DONGCHUGGERS ARE ALL THE SAME. YOU'RE AFRAID TO CRITICIZE THEM--DON'T WORRY DUDE JUST BECAUSE ALMORA'S A BOMB DOESN'T MEAN THEY FAILED.
Me: lol wat?
It's not really just you, it's more that any time I've seen anyone express concern that Almora might suck the response is always "list of reasons (mostly intangible and full of scout euphemisms) why he won't, he's young, blah blah" and not "yeah, I know, it doesn't look great, but I hope not?" or "here's some historical examples of players off to similar starts to their pro careers who rebounded to be good." The fact that no one has thrown them out when we had Bryant comps and Russell comps out the ass before either of them played a game makes me think there's not too many examples of Albert Almora types panning out.
Maybe you should sit the next couple of plays out
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I don't know what it is. If a Hendry prospect was putting up Almora's numbers and we were spoonfed the same "he's a great kid" shit we'd have all cried bullshit from the highest rooftops, but acting like there's more reason to be concerned than than there is positive about Almora is like pissing directly on Theo Epstein's face or something. Like you said, prospects don't always pan out. You can be down on Almora and still think overall this front office has done an excellent job. If Jorge Soler and Kris Bryant alone were the only two successes of the draft/amateur signing side of Theo's rebuild that's still a massive haul. I'm guessing Russell and Schwarber are both also going to be good, but I don't see why pointing out the obvious that Almora doesn't look great is so controversial.
There's all kinds of manifested Id in this post...I think I'm just gonna keep walking.
Yes, there's a deep psychological underpinning behind worrying that a guy with a sub-Juan Pierresian OPS in AA won't be good, and wondering why everyone else seems to think it'll all be peechy keen. Cram it, Dogtor Bogtrot, Optoat Pyscologhist.
Yeah it was more a comment about how you manage to extrapolate and ascribe so much deductive reasoning to the Straw Man you seem to spend so much time arguing with, rather than the real person with whom it would appear you're engaged in discussion. For example, the fact that Almora was not a Hendry pick wasn't even on my mind so I was amused at having to take a backseat in my discussion with you to some mythical arguer.
You: I'm afraid Almora won't pan out (lists reasons)
Me: I'm holding out hope that he still will (lists reasosn).
You: YOU FUCKING THEO DONGCHUGGERS ARE ALL THE SAME. YOU'RE AFRAID TO CRITICIZE THEM--DON'T WORRY DUDE JUST BECAUSE ALMORA'S A BOMB DOESN'T MEAN THEY FAILED.
Me: lol wat?
It's not really just you, it's more that any time I've seen anyone express concern that Almora might suck the response is always "list of reasons (mostly intangible and full of scout euphemisms) why he won't, he's young, blah blah" and not "yeah, I know, it doesn't look great, but I hope not?" or "here's some historical examples of players off to similar starts to their pro careers who rebounded to be good." The fact that no one has thrown them out when we had Bryant comps and Russell comps out the ass before either of them played a game makes me think there's not too many examples of Albert Almora types panning out.
DPD, but if you don't think the general (deserved) positivity toward the Theo Regime has had some influence on people not freaking out over Almora's start, you're kidding yourself.
oops. too late
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For example, the fact that Almora was not a Hendry pick wasn't even on my mind so I was amused at having to take a backseat in my discussion with you to some mythical arguer.
I do think it holds true for
some people. Chuck, for example, likes to think that Baez and Castro (who are similarly scouty/toolsy guys like Almora) aren't long for the Cubs org. solely because they were from the Hendry regime. And yet he's advocating patience with Almora, who has never even really put up actual results like Baez or Castro. Chuck takes it to the extreme, but I think some people are affected by a similar line of thinking.
Even the absolute best front offices miss on picks. So far, they look to have hit on Bryant and Schwarber. Almora looks like a miss (a quick glance at the first round shows 8-10 guys who were available at 6 who would now look like better picks). That's fine. If they hit on 2 out of 3 first-rounders from here on out, the Cubs are going to be very good for a long time.
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For example, the fact that Almora was not a Hendry pick wasn't even on my mind so I was amused at having to take a backseat in my discussion with you to some mythical arguer.
I do think it holds true for some people. Chuck, for example, likes to think that Baez and Castro (who are similarly scouty/toolsy guys like Almora) aren't long for the Cubs org. solely because they were from the Hendry regime. And yet he's advocating patience with Almora, who has never even really put up actual results like Baez or Castro. Chuck takes it to the extreme, but I think some people are affected by a similar line of thinking.
Even the absolute best front offices miss on picks. So far, they look to have hit on Bryant and Schwarber. Almora looks like a miss (a quick glance at the first round shows 8-10 guys who would've been better picks). That's fine. If they hit on 2 out of 3 first-rounders from here on out, the Cubs are going to be very good for a long time.
That. I just think a rising tide lifts all boats in this case. People think Almora will pan out because he's in a good system full of other guys who appear to be panning out. That's cool. I'd just like more concrete and specific reasons to be optimistic about him.
I think we've finally hit a point where people are overreacting to SKO's overreacting. Let him blow out a ventricle like a bald tire if he wants.
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I think we've finally hit a point where people are overreacting to SKO's overreacting. Let him blow out a ventricle like a bald tire if he wants.
I think the mistake is thinking that's overreacting. I fucking talk a lot, and I type a lot, and I'm not even remotely stressed or ANGRY while doing so unless that mother fucker David Ross is involved. A lot of words does not necessarily make a rant. I had a blog once where I wrote 50,000 words at a time, but then the subject matter of said blog sucked and started collecting domestic abusers. Now I let it out here, and you're all fucking welcome.
Realistically, if Almora turns out to be the gold glove wunderkind he supposedly will be, what's the minimum level of offensive competence we're willing to accept? If you say Darwin Barney, the door's over there.
(Although if he could be a little better than 2012 Darwin Barney (2.4 fWAR) every single year, I might take that? Maybe? At least until they trade Vogelbach, Baez and Almora for Trout, obviously.)
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I think we've finally hit a point where people are overreacting to SKO's overreacting. Let him blow out a ventricle like a bald tire if he wants.
He's not overreacting, he's overposting. I know that feel, though, SKO.
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I think we've finally hit a point where people are overreacting to SKO's overreacting. Let him blow out a ventricle like a bald tire if he wants.
He's not overreacting, he's overposting. I know that feel, though, SKO.
I guess I find it fairly easy to just skim things and move on. Probably why I don't have a hard-on for bitching about Brett either.
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I think we've finally hit a point where people are overreacting to SKO's overreacting. Let him blow out a ventricle like a bald tire if he wants.
He's not overreacting, he's overposting. I know that feel, though, SKO.
I guess I find it fairly easy to just skim things and move on. Probably why I don't have a hard-on for bitching about Brett either.
But isn't the best part of desipio when the people start saying you shouldn't talk too much about baseball on the baseball blog? I know that's what I love about the internet. Moderation.
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I don't know what it is. If a Hendry prospect was putting up Almora's numbers and we were spoonfed the same "he's a great kid" shit we'd have all cried bullshit from the highest rooftops, but acting like there's more reason to be concerned than than there is positive about Almora is like pissing directly on Theo Epstein's face or something. Like you said, prospects don't always pan out. You can be down on Almora and still think overall this front office has done an excellent job. If Jorge Soler and Kris Bryant alone were the only two successes of the draft/amateur signing side of Theo's rebuild that's still a massive haul. I'm guessing Russell and Schwarber are both also going to be good, but I don't see why pointing out the obvious that Almora doesn't look great is so controversial.
There's all kinds of manifested Id in this post...I think I'm just gonna keep walking.
Yes, there's a deep psychological underpinning behind worrying that a guy with a sub-Juan Pierresian OPS in AA won't be good, and wondering why everyone else seems to think it'll all be peechy keen. Cram it, Dogtor Bogtrot, Optoat Pyscologhist.
Yeah it was more a comment about how you manage to extrapolate and ascribe so much deductive reasoning to the Straw Man you seem to spend so much time arguing with, rather than the real person with whom it would appear you're engaged in discussion. For example, the fact that Almora was not a Hendry pick wasn't even on my mind so I was amused at having to take a backseat in my discussion with you to some mythical arguer.
You: I'm afraid Almora won't pan out (lists reasons)
Me: I'm holding out hope that he still will (lists reasosn).
You: YOU FUCKING THEO DONGCHUGGERS ARE ALL THE SAME. YOU'RE AFRAID TO CRITICIZE THEM--DON'T WORRY DUDE JUST BECAUSE ALMORA'S A BOMB DOESN'T MEAN THEY FAILED.
Me: lol wat?
It's not really just you, it's more that any time I've seen anyone express concern that Almora might suck the response is always "list of reasons (mostly intangible and full of scout euphemisms) why he won't, he's young, blah blah" and not "yeah, I know, it doesn't look great, but I hope not?" or "here's some historical examples of players off to similar starts to their pro careers who rebounded to be good." The fact that no one has thrown them out when we had Bryant comps and Russell comps out the ass before either of them played a game makes me think there's not too many examples of Albert Almora types panning out.
That's fair.
I guess I don't know where the notion that he might sucks comes from. Outside of his half-season at AA last year--which many people feel followed a premature promotion-- his numbers--while not great--are not necessarily
awful.Take a look for yourself (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=546991#/career/R/hitting/2015/ALL):
2012 Boise (15 games): .292/.292/.446/.738
2012 AFL (18 games): .347/.363/.480/.843
2013 Kane County (61 games): .329/.376/.466/.842
2014 Daytona (89 games): .283/.306/.406/.712
2014 Tennessee (36 games): .234/.250/.355/.605
2015 Tennessee (13 games): .273/.323/.327/.650
232 Minor League Games: .293/.322/.418/.740Again, that bottom line is not exactly world-beater stuff, but it's not exactly horrid. it's not unreasonable to think that those numbers can be improved--particularly when there's already a pretty significant upgrade in his BA/OBP/OPS at AA in his 13 games this year compared to his 36 last year--even better when you see the drop in SLG (which can be attributed to a change in approach) and yet his OPS has gone up 50 points.
Forgive me for not throwing in the towel on the kid and daring to use such nebulous factors like Gold Glove defense and a good head on his shoulders to point to as to why I think he still has a chance to develop into a useful--possibly above-average-- ballplayer. Your fire and bluster has failed to convince me otherwise at this point.
I, for one, appreciate SKO's youthful exuberance. I'm just not sure what the point is of calling a 21 year old with barely 200 AA PAs a bust.
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 12:01:24 PM
Even the absolute best front offices miss on picks. So far, they look to have hit on Bryant and Schwarber. Almora looks like a miss (a quick glance at the first round shows 8-10 guys who were available at 6 who would now look like better picks). That's fine. If they hit on 2 out of 3 first-rounders from here on out, the Cubs are going to be very good for a long time.
I'd love to have that Addison Russell character.
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Quote from: Bort on April 24, 2015, 12:11:16 PM
I think we've finally hit a point where people are overreacting to SKO's overreacting. Let him blow out a ventricle like a bald tire if he wants.
I think the mistake is thinking that's overreacting. I fucking talk a lot, and I type a lot, and I'm not even remotely stressed or ANGRY while doing so unless that mother fucker David Ross is involved. A lot of words does not necessarily make a rant. I had a blog once where I wrote 50,000 words at a time, but then the subject matter of said blog sucked and started collecting domestic abusers. Now I let it out here, and you're all fucking welcome.
(http://i.imgur.com/IAVeAgK.png)
Quote from: PenFoe on April 24, 2015, 12:23:46 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 12:13:12 PM
Quote from: Bort on April 24, 2015, 12:11:16 PM
I think we've finally hit a point where people are overreacting to SKO's overreacting. Let him blow out a ventricle like a bald tire if he wants.
I think the mistake is thinking that's overreacting. I fucking talk a lot, and I type a lot, and I'm not even remotely stressed or ANGRY while doing so unless that mother fucker David Ross is involved. A lot of words does not necessarily make a rant. I had a blog once where I wrote 50,000 words at a time, but then the subject matter of said blog sucked and started collecting domestic abusers. Now I let it out here, and you're all fucking welcome.
(http://i.imgur.com/IAVeAgK.png)
Oh man that's brilliant. Kudos to that guy. Seriously. I lol'd. His face totally sells it, too.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 24, 2015, 12:14:03 PM
Quote from: Bort on April 24, 2015, 12:11:16 PM
I think we've finally hit a point where people are overreacting to SKO's overreacting. Let him blow out a ventricle like a bald tire if he wants.
He's not overreacting, he's overposting. I know that feel, though, SKO.
Been there, bro.
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 12:24:56 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 24, 2015, 12:23:46 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 12:13:12 PM
Quote from: Bort on April 24, 2015, 12:11:16 PM
I think we've finally hit a point where people are overreacting to SKO's overreacting. Let him blow out a ventricle like a bald tire if he wants.
I think the mistake is thinking that's overreacting. I fucking talk a lot, and I type a lot, and I'm not even remotely stressed or ANGRY while doing so unless that mother fucker David Ross is involved. A lot of words does not necessarily make a rant. I had a blog once where I wrote 50,000 words at a time, but then the subject matter of said blog sucked and started collecting domestic abusers. Now I let it out here, and you're all fucking welcome.
(http://i.imgur.com/IAVeAgK.png)
Oh man that's brilliant. Kudos to that guy. Seriously. I lol'd. His face totally sells it, too.
It was enough to download the video, screengrab it at that exact moment, save the image, crop it, upload it to IMGUR.
I figured I'd probably get another couple uses out of it.
Quote from: PANK! on April 24, 2015, 12:22:18 PM
That's fair.
I guess I don't know where the notion that he might sucks comes from. Outside of his half-season at AA last year--which many people feel followed a premature promotion-- his numbers--while not great--are not necessarily awful.
Take a look for yourself (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=546991#/career/R/hitting/2015/ALL):
2012 Boise (15 games): .292/.292/.446/.738
2012 AFL (18 games): .347/.363/.480/.843
2013 Kane County (61 games): .329/.376/.466/.842
2014 Daytona (89 games): .283/.306/.406/.712
2014 Tennessee (36 games): .234/.250/.355/.605
2015 Tennessee (13 games): .273/.323/.327/.650
232 Minor League Games: .293/.322/.418/.740
Again, that bottom line is not exactly world-beater stuff, but it's not exactly horrid. it's not unreasonable to think that those numbers can be improved--particularly when there's already a pretty significant upgrade in his BA/OBP/OPS at AA in his 13 games this year compared to his 36 last year--even better when you see the drop in SLG (which can be attributed to a change in approach) and yet his OPS has gone up 50 points.
Forgive me for not throwing in the towel on the kid and daring to use such nebulous factors like Gold Glove defense and a good head on his shoulders to point to as to why I think he still has a chance to develop into a useful--possibly above-average-- ballplayer. Your fire and bluster has failed to convince me otherwise at this point.
If you look at his line
I'm not actually writing him off. I'm just, how you say, "down" on him. His stock fell, and has yet to rise. Of course he's got talent and could figure shit out, he was a first round pick. But there've been a thousand guys with his talent who have sucked and then just kept on sucking. So if I were to keep score, my "Reason to think Almora Will Probably be Bad" currently outnumbers my "Reasons to Think He'll Be Good" column. But I haven't written him off entirely becuase it turns out I'm not the GM of the Cubs and all I get to do is see how this plays out.
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 12:28:07 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 24, 2015, 12:22:18 PM
That's fair.
I guess I don't know where the notion that he might sucks comes from. Outside of his half-season at AA last year--which many people feel followed a premature promotion-- his numbers--while not great--are not necessarily awful.
Take a look for yourself (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=546991#/career/R/hitting/2015/ALL):
2012 Boise (15 games): .292/.292/.446/.738
2012 AFL (18 games): .347/.363/.480/.843
2013 Kane County (61 games): .329/.376/.466/.842
2014 Daytona (89 games): .283/.306/.406/.712
2014 Tennessee (36 games): .234/.250/.355/.605
2015 Tennessee (13 games): .273/.323/.327/.650
232 Minor League Games: .293/.322/.418/.740
Again, that bottom line is not exactly world-beater stuff, but it's not exactly horrid. it's not unreasonable to think that those numbers can be improved--particularly when there's already a pretty significant upgrade in his BA/OBP/OPS at AA in his 13 games this year compared to his 36 last year--even better when you see the drop in SLG (which can be attributed to a change in approach) and yet his OPS has gone up 50 points.
Forgive me for not throwing in the towel on the kid and daring to use such nebulous factors like Gold Glove defense and a good head on his shoulders to point to as to why I think he still has a chance to develop into a useful--possibly above-average-- ballplayer. Your fire and bluster has failed to convince me otherwise at this point.
If you look at his line
I'm not actually writing him off. I'm just, how you say, "down" on him. His stock fell, and has yet to rise. Of course he's got talent and could figure shit out, he was a first round pick. But there've been a thousand guys with his talent who have sucked and then just kept on sucking. So if I were to keep score, my "Reason to think Almora Will Probably be Bad" currently outnumbers my "Reasons to Think He'll Be Good" column. But I haven't written him off entirely becuase it turns out I'm not the GM of the Cubs and all I get to do is see how this plays out.
To your last point, the proper way to do this is to express no opinion, then wait a few months or years to see who ends up being wrong and never let them forget it.
Jesus, it's like you've never even used the internet before.
Quote from: Oleg on April 24, 2015, 12:23:13 PM
I, for one, appreciate SKO's youthful exuberance. I'm just not sure what the point is of calling a 21 year old with barely 200 AA PAs a bust.
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 12:01:24 PM
Even the absolute best front offices miss on picks. So far, they look to have hit on Bryant and Schwarber. Almora looks like a miss (a quick glance at the first round shows 8-10 guys who were available at 6 who would now look like better picks). That's fine. If they hit on 2 out of 3 first-rounders from here on out, the Cubs are going to be very good for a long time.
I'd love to have that Addison Russell character.
It's funny how that worked out.
Of course, if they had just originally drafted Russell, Theo could have used HammelSnork to fleece some other unsuspecting GM last summer.
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 12:31:55 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 24, 2015, 12:23:13 PM
I, for one, appreciate SKO's youthful exuberance. I'm just not sure what the point is of calling a 21 year old with barely 200 AA PAs a bust.
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 12:01:24 PM
Even the absolute best front offices miss on picks. So far, they look to have hit on Bryant and Schwarber. Almora looks like a miss (a quick glance at the first round shows 8-10 guys who were available at 6 who would now look like better picks). That's fine. If they hit on 2 out of 3 first-rounders from here on out, the Cubs are going to be very good for a long time.
I'd love to have that Addison Russell character.
It's funny how that worked out.
Of course, if they had just originally drafted Russell, Theo could have used HammelSnork to fleece some other unsuspecting GM last summer.
I wish they'd drafted Corey Seager, and then still traded for Russell, and then Theo's dream team of 9 SS would be nearly complete.
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 12:37:44 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 12:31:55 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 24, 2015, 12:23:13 PM
I, for one, appreciate SKO's youthful exuberance. I'm just not sure what the point is of calling a 21 year old with barely 200 AA PAs a bust.
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 12:01:24 PM
Even the absolute best front offices miss on picks. So far, they look to have hit on Bryant and Schwarber. Almora looks like a miss (a quick glance at the first round shows 8-10 guys who were available at 6 who would now look like better picks). That's fine. If they hit on 2 out of 3 first-rounders from here on out, the Cubs are going to be very good for a long time.
I'd love to have that Addison Russell character.
It's funny how that worked out.
Of course, if they had just originally drafted Russell, Theo could have used HammelSnork to fleece some other unsuspecting GM last summer.
I wish they'd drafted Corey Seager, and then still traded for Russell, and then Theo's dream team of 9 SS would be nearly complete.
Why are we even talking about Almora? I would love for him to work out, but I don't think the Cubs really need him or are counting on him for anything other than giving the franchise some value that they could trade or keep. It's not like Almora's Jorge Soler or Kris Bryant...now that the Cubs have the first waves of this organization rebuild pounding the shores of MLB, there is a little bit more of a luxury to not have to count on every prospect working out.
I'm not saying I have given up on him, and I'm not saying I don't care. All I'm saying is I don't think it affects the Cubs dramatically if he doesn't pan out...
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 24, 2015, 12:42:51 PM
Why are we even talking about Almora?
Because RV brought him up 4 pages ago.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 24, 2015, 12:27:20 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 12:24:56 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 24, 2015, 12:23:46 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 12:13:12 PM
Quote from: Bort on April 24, 2015, 12:11:16 PM
I think we've finally hit a point where people are overreacting to SKO's overreacting. Let him blow out a ventricle like a bald tire if he wants.
I think the mistake is thinking that's overreacting. I fucking talk a lot, and I type a lot, and I'm not even remotely stressed or ANGRY while doing so unless that mother fucker David Ross is involved. A lot of words does not necessarily make a rant. I had a blog once where I wrote 50,000 words at a time, but then the subject matter of said blog sucked and started collecting domestic abusers. Now I let it out here, and you're all fucking welcome.
(http://i.imgur.com/IAVeAgK.png)
Oh man that's brilliant. Kudos to that guy. Seriously. I lol'd. His face totally sells it, too.
It was enough to download the video, screengrab it at that exact moment, save the image, crop it, upload it to IMGUR.
I figured I'd probably get another couple uses out of it.
I'm not sure even BC can improve on this.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 24, 2015, 12:42:51 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 12:37:44 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 12:31:55 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 24, 2015, 12:23:13 PM
I, for one, appreciate SKO's youthful exuberance. I'm just not sure what the point is of calling a 21 year old with barely 200 AA PAs a bust.
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 12:01:24 PM
Even the absolute best front offices miss on picks. So far, they look to have hit on Bryant and Schwarber. Almora looks like a miss (a quick glance at the first round shows 8-10 guys who were available at 6 who would now look like better picks). That's fine. If they hit on 2 out of 3 first-rounders from here on out, the Cubs are going to be very good for a long time.
I'd love to have that Addison Russell character.
It's funny how that worked out.
Of course, if they had just originally drafted Russell, Theo could have used HammelSnork to fleece some other unsuspecting GM last summer.
I wish they'd drafted Corey Seager, and then still traded for Russell, and then Theo's dream team of 9 SS would be nearly complete.
Why are we even talking about Almora? I would love for him to work out, but I don't think the Cubs really need him or are counting on him for anything other than giving the franchise some value that they could trade or keep. It's not like Almora's Jorge Soler or Kris Bryant...now that the Cubs have the first waves of this organization rebuild pounding the shores of MLB, there is a little bit more of a luxury to not have to count on every prospect working out.
I'm not saying I have given up on him, and I'm not saying I don't care. All I'm saying is I don't think it affects the Cubs dramatically if he doesn't pan out...
Why talk about prospects in the prospect thread? Why talk about Schlitter and Jackson in the 2015 Cubs thread? Why talk about baseball on the baseball site?
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 12:51:59 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 24, 2015, 12:42:51 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 12:37:44 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 12:31:55 PM
Quote from: Oleg on April 24, 2015, 12:23:13 PM
I, for one, appreciate SKO's youthful exuberance. I'm just not sure what the point is of calling a 21 year old with barely 200 AA PAs a bust.
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 12:01:24 PM
Even the absolute best front offices miss on picks. So far, they look to have hit on Bryant and Schwarber. Almora looks like a miss (a quick glance at the first round shows 8-10 guys who were available at 6 who would now look like better picks). That's fine. If they hit on 2 out of 3 first-rounders from here on out, the Cubs are going to be very good for a long time.
I'd love to have that Addison Russell character.
It's funny how that worked out.
Of course, if they had just originally drafted Russell, Theo could have used HammelSnork to fleece some other unsuspecting GM last summer.
I wish they'd drafted Corey Seager, and then still traded for Russell, and then Theo's dream team of 9 SS would be nearly complete.
Why are we even talking about Almora? I would love for him to work out, but I don't think the Cubs really need him or are counting on him for anything other than giving the franchise some value that they could trade or keep. It's not like Almora's Jorge Soler or Kris Bryant...now that the Cubs have the first waves of this organization rebuild pounding the shores of MLB, there is a little bit more of a luxury to not have to count on every prospect working out.
I'm not saying I have given up on him, and I'm not saying I don't care. All I'm saying is I don't think it affects the Cubs dramatically if he doesn't pan out...
Why talk about prospects in the prospect thread? Why talk about Schlitter and Jackson in the 2015 Cubs thread? Why talk about baseball on the baseball site?
It seems perfectly reasonable to be talking about Almora, since he's the highest-ranking prospect remaining in the system (Baez excluded) that has legit bust potential.
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 12:44:19 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 24, 2015, 12:42:51 PM
Why are we even talking about Almora?
Because RV brought him up 4 pages ago.
And I got to come back a few hours later and read several entertaining posts! I'm getting a great return on investment from this Desipio membership.
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 01:02:53 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 12:44:19 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 24, 2015, 12:42:51 PM
Why are we even talking about Almora?
Because RV brought him up 4 pages ago.
And I got to come back a few hours later and read several entertaining posts! I'm getting a great return on investment from this Desipio membership.
It's so weird how this "discussion" board works.
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 01:03:52 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 01:02:53 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 12:44:19 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 24, 2015, 12:42:51 PM
Why are we even talking about Almora?
Because RV brought him up 4 pages ago.
And I got to come back a few hours later and read several entertaining posts! I'm getting a great return on investment from this Desipio membership.
It's so weird how this "discussion" board works.
Here's an actual attempt at a contribution: I think SKO's EPIC MESSAGE BOARD MELTDOWN can be at least partially attributed to the approach that some Cubs fans take regarding all these prospects, namely the slotting in of guys who haven't even made it to AAA yet into certain positions on the big league team.
"Well a year or so from now we'll be looking at Almora in CF and Schwarber at catcher which will put Bryant in LF and then you've gotta figure out if Baez or Castro or Russell plays third base..."
The big league team has sucked for so long that all we've been left with is prospect watching, which leads to some unhealthy expectations on translating the minor league success (or in Almora's case, not-totally-failing) that we've watched so intently into major league success.
I don't think Huey or anyone on this messageboard has that attitude *, but SKO doesn't know how to unfollow bad fans on Twitter, so we end up with him posting arguments on Desipio in response to people who don't use Desipio.
This will all be a nonissue when the major league team is balls-out awesome and we're more worried about using prospects as trade deadline bait than future assets for the major league team.
*except for Fork
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 01:28:00 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 01:03:52 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 01:02:53 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 12:44:19 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 24, 2015, 12:42:51 PM
Why are we even talking about Almora?
Because RV brought him up 4 pages ago.
And I got to come back a few hours later and read several entertaining posts! I'm getting a great return on investment from this Desipio membership.
It's so weird how this "discussion" board works.
Here's an actual attempt at a contribution: I think SKO's EPIC MESSAGE BOARD MELTDOWN can be at least partially attributed to the approach that some Cubs fans take regarding all these prospects, namely the slotting in of guys who haven't even made it to AAA yet into certain positions on the big league team.
"Well a year or so from now we'll be looking at Almora in CF and Schwarber at catcher which will put Bryant in LF and then you've gotta figure out if Baez or Castro or Russell plays third base..."
The big league team has sucked for so long that all we've been left with is prospect watching, which leads to some unhealthy expectations on translating the minor league success (or in Almora's case, not-totally-failing) that we've watched so intently into major league success.
I don't think Huey or anyone on this messageboard has that attitude *, but SKO doesn't know how to unfollow bad fans on Twitter, so we end up with him posting arguments on Desipio in response to people who don't use Desipio.
This will all be a nonissue when the major league team is balls-out awesome and we're more worried about using prospects as trade deadline bait than future assets for the major league team.
*except for Fork
This, for sure, but also there's the fact that I think the numbers say Albert Almora probably isn't gonna be very good and people on this messageboard (not just the imaginary demons I battle daily) have thrown out what I consider to be weak arguments in his defense, and I've never yet met an argument I've been able to let go before exhausting all opponents into submission because that's who I am, dammit.
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 01:37:44 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 01:28:00 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 01:03:52 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 01:02:53 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 12:44:19 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 24, 2015, 12:42:51 PM
Why are we even talking about Almora?
Because RV brought him up 4 pages ago.
And I got to come back a few hours later and read several entertaining posts! I'm getting a great return on investment from this Desipio membership.
It's so weird how this "discussion" board works.
Here's an actual attempt at a contribution: I think SKO's EPIC MESSAGE BOARD MELTDOWN can be at least partially attributed to the approach that some Cubs fans take regarding all these prospects, namely the slotting in of guys who haven't even made it to AAA yet into certain positions on the big league team.
"Well a year or so from now we'll be looking at Almora in CF and Schwarber at catcher which will put Bryant in LF and then you've gotta figure out if Baez or Castro or Russell plays third base..."
The big league team has sucked for so long that all we've been left with is prospect watching, which leads to some unhealthy expectations on translating the minor league success (or in Almora's case, not-totally-failing) that we've watched so intently into major league success.
I don't think Huey or anyone on this messageboard has that attitude *, but SKO doesn't know how to unfollow bad fans on Twitter, so we end up with him posting arguments on Desipio in response to people who don't use Desipio.
This will all be a nonissue when the major league team is balls-out awesome and we're more worried about using prospects as trade deadline bait than future assets for the major league team.
*except for Fork
This, for sure, but also there's the fact that I think the numbers say Albert Almora probably isn't gonna be very good and people on this messageboard (not just the imaginary demons I battle daily) have thrown out what I consider to be weak arguments in his defense, and I've never yet met an argument I've been able to let go before exhausting all opponents into submission because that's who I am, dammit.
But really, so what if people think Almora might be good? I think those same people would probably say that there's no way in hell we should *count* on him being good and being a long-term answer at a key position, like (I think) we are with Bryant and Soler and Russell. I think you're conflating "hey let's not give up on this guy because Jason McLeod is a pretty damn good scouting director and maybe give him the benefit of the doubt" with "this guy is going to be the Cubs centerfielder of the future and they should absolutely NOT pursue any good major league players to man the position."
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 02:03:09 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 01:37:44 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 01:28:00 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 01:03:52 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 01:02:53 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 12:44:19 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 24, 2015, 12:42:51 PM
Why are we even talking about Almora?
Because RV brought him up 4 pages ago.
And I got to come back a few hours later and read several entertaining posts! I'm getting a great return on investment from this Desipio membership.
It's so weird how this "discussion" board works.
Here's an actual attempt at a contribution: I think SKO's EPIC MESSAGE BOARD MELTDOWN can be at least partially attributed to the approach that some Cubs fans take regarding all these prospects, namely the slotting in of guys who haven't even made it to AAA yet into certain positions on the big league team.
"Well a year or so from now we'll be looking at Almora in CF and Schwarber at catcher which will put Bryant in LF and then you've gotta figure out if Baez or Castro or Russell plays third base..."
The big league team has sucked for so long that all we've been left with is prospect watching, which leads to some unhealthy expectations on translating the minor league success (or in Almora's case, not-totally-failing) that we've watched so intently into major league success.
I don't think Huey or anyone on this messageboard has that attitude *, but SKO doesn't know how to unfollow bad fans on Twitter, so we end up with him posting arguments on Desipio in response to people who don't use Desipio.
This will all be a nonissue when the major league team is balls-out awesome and we're more worried about using prospects as trade deadline bait than future assets for the major league team.
*except for Fork
This, for sure, but also there's the fact that I think the numbers say Albert Almora probably isn't gonna be very good and people on this messageboard (not just the imaginary demons I battle daily) have thrown out what I consider to be weak arguments in his defense, and I've never yet met an argument I've been able to let go before exhausting all opponents into submission because that's who I am, dammit.
But really, so what if people think Almora might be good? I think those same people would probably say that there's no way in hell we should *count* on him being good and being a long-term answer at a key position, like (I think) we are with Bryant and Soler and Russell. I think you're conflating "hey let's not give up on this guy because Jason McLeod is a pretty damn good scouting director and maybe give him the benefit of the doubt" with "this guy is going to be the Cubs centerfielder of the future and they should absolutely NOT pursue any good major league players to man the position."
Oh, you got all of that from Huey saying:
QuoteFine. I'll just predict that he'll make the majors in 2016 as a barely average offensive player.
In 2017 he'll be good.
Happy?
Because I got Huey predicting that Almora will be good and is presumably the Cubs centerfielder of the future. But what is our Huey known for if not layers of subtlety and nuance?
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 02:06:12 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 02:03:09 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 01:37:44 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 01:28:00 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 01:03:52 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 01:02:53 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 12:44:19 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 24, 2015, 12:42:51 PM
Why are we even talking about Almora?
Because RV brought him up 4 pages ago.
And I got to come back a few hours later and read several entertaining posts! I'm getting a great return on investment from this Desipio membership.
It's so weird how this "discussion" board works.
Here's an actual attempt at a contribution: I think SKO's EPIC MESSAGE BOARD MELTDOWN can be at least partially attributed to the approach that some Cubs fans take regarding all these prospects, namely the slotting in of guys who haven't even made it to AAA yet into certain positions on the big league team.
"Well a year or so from now we'll be looking at Almora in CF and Schwarber at catcher which will put Bryant in LF and then you've gotta figure out if Baez or Castro or Russell plays third base..."
The big league team has sucked for so long that all we've been left with is prospect watching, which leads to some unhealthy expectations on translating the minor league success (or in Almora's case, not-totally-failing) that we've watched so intently into major league success.
I don't think Huey or anyone on this messageboard has that attitude *, but SKO doesn't know how to unfollow bad fans on Twitter, so we end up with him posting arguments on Desipio in response to people who don't use Desipio.
This will all be a nonissue when the major league team is balls-out awesome and we're more worried about using prospects as trade deadline bait than future assets for the major league team.
*except for Fork
This, for sure, but also there's the fact that I think the numbers say Albert Almora probably isn't gonna be very good and people on this messageboard (not just the imaginary demons I battle daily) have thrown out what I consider to be weak arguments in his defense, and I've never yet met an argument I've been able to let go before exhausting all opponents into submission because that's who I am, dammit.
But really, so what if people think Almora might be good? I think those same people would probably say that there's no way in hell we should *count* on him being good and being a long-term answer at a key position, like (I think) we are with Bryant and Soler and Russell. I think you're conflating "hey let's not give up on this guy because Jason McLeod is a pretty damn good scouting director and maybe give him the benefit of the doubt" with "this guy is going to be the Cubs centerfielder of the future and they should absolutely NOT pursue any good major league players to man the position."
Oh, you got all of that from Huey saying:
QuoteFine. I'll just predict that he'll make the majors in 2016 as a barely average offensive player.
In 2017 he'll be good.
Happy?
Because I got Huey predicting that Almora will be good and is presumably the Cubs centerfielder of the future. But what is our Huey known for if not layers of subtlety and nuance?
Are you sure that was actually Huey that typed that? Because I see no grammatical errors and no mention of Ron Coomer.
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 02:03:09 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 01:37:44 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 01:28:00 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 01:03:52 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 01:02:53 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 12:44:19 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 24, 2015, 12:42:51 PM
Why are we even talking about Almora?
Because RV brought him up 4 pages ago.
And I got to come back a few hours later and read several entertaining posts! I'm getting a great return on investment from this Desipio membership.
It's so weird how this "discussion" board works.
Here's an actual attempt at a contribution: I think SKO's EPIC MESSAGE BOARD MELTDOWN can be at least partially attributed to the approach that some Cubs fans take regarding all these prospects, namely the slotting in of guys who haven't even made it to AAA yet into certain positions on the big league team.
"Well a year or so from now we'll be looking at Almora in CF and Schwarber at catcher which will put Bryant in LF and then you've gotta figure out if Baez or Castro or Russell plays third base..."
The big league team has sucked for so long that all we've been left with is prospect watching, which leads to some unhealthy expectations on translating the minor league success (or in Almora's case, not-totally-failing) that we've watched so intently into major league success.
I don't think Huey or anyone on this messageboard has that attitude *, but SKO doesn't know how to unfollow bad fans on Twitter, so we end up with him posting arguments on Desipio in response to people who don't use Desipio.
This will all be a nonissue when the major league team is balls-out awesome and we're more worried about using prospects as trade deadline bait than future assets for the major league team.
*except for Fork
This, for sure, but also there's the fact that I think the numbers say Albert Almora probably isn't gonna be very good and people on this messageboard (not just the imaginary demons I battle daily) have thrown out what I consider to be weak arguments in his defense, and I've never yet met an argument I've been able to let go before exhausting all opponents into submission because that's who I am, dammit.
But really, so what if people think Almora might be good? I think those same people would probably say that there's no way in hell we should *count* on him being good and being a long-term answer at a key position, like (I think) we are with Bryant and Soler and Russell. I think you're conflating "hey let's not give up on this guy because Jason McLeod is a pretty damn good scouting director and maybe give him the benefit of the doubt" with "this guy is going to be the Cubs centerfielder of the future and they should absolutely NOT pursue any good major league players to man the position."
Just for a little retrospective, I remember when the Cubs first picked Kris Bryant and I was a little WTF'd by that pick (the Astros picked Appel, the guy I wanted, and the Cubs let Gray fall to Colorado), mainly because here came Theo and Jed riding in on their white unihorses and at the time the Cubs were in dire straights for any kind of farm system, especially pitchers.
I just remember how much fun it was to track Bryant, Soler, Baez, and Russell and daydream of a day when watching the MLB Cubs wouldn't be miserable. It has finally happened and I really think Theo and Jed and Jason need to be chained to each other and welded into their offices forever and ever amen.
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 02:10:16 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 02:06:12 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 02:03:09 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 01:37:44 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 01:28:00 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 01:03:52 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 01:02:53 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 12:44:19 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 24, 2015, 12:42:51 PM
Why are we even talking about Almora?
Because RV brought him up 4 pages ago.
And I got to come back a few hours later and read several entertaining posts! I'm getting a great return on investment from this Desipio membership.
It's so weird how this "discussion" board works.
Here's an actual attempt at a contribution: I think SKO's EPIC MESSAGE BOARD MELTDOWN can be at least partially attributed to the approach that some Cubs fans take regarding all these prospects, namely the slotting in of guys who haven't even made it to AAA yet into certain positions on the big league team.
"Well a year or so from now we'll be looking at Almora in CF and Schwarber at catcher which will put Bryant in LF and then you've gotta figure out if Baez or Castro or Russell plays third base..."
The big league team has sucked for so long that all we've been left with is prospect watching, which leads to some unhealthy expectations on translating the minor league success (or in Almora's case, not-totally-failing) that we've watched so intently into major league success.
I don't think Huey or anyone on this messageboard has that attitude *, but SKO doesn't know how to unfollow bad fans on Twitter, so we end up with him posting arguments on Desipio in response to people who don't use Desipio.
This will all be a nonissue when the major league team is balls-out awesome and we're more worried about using prospects as trade deadline bait than future assets for the major league team.
*except for Fork
This, for sure, but also there's the fact that I think the numbers say Albert Almora probably isn't gonna be very good and people on this messageboard (not just the imaginary demons I battle daily) have thrown out what I consider to be weak arguments in his defense, and I've never yet met an argument I've been able to let go before exhausting all opponents into submission because that's who I am, dammit.
But really, so what if people think Almora might be good? I think those same people would probably say that there's no way in hell we should *count* on him being good and being a long-term answer at a key position, like (I think) we are with Bryant and Soler and Russell. I think you're conflating "hey let's not give up on this guy because Jason McLeod is a pretty damn good scouting director and maybe give him the benefit of the doubt" with "this guy is going to be the Cubs centerfielder of the future and they should absolutely NOT pursue any good major league players to man the position."
Oh, you got all of that from Huey saying:
QuoteFine. I'll just predict that he'll make the majors in 2016 as a barely average offensive player.
In 2017 he'll be good.
Happy?
Because I got Huey predicting that Almora will be good and is presumably the Cubs centerfielder of the future. But what is our Huey known for if not layers of subtlety and nuance?
Are you sure that was actually Huey that typed that? Because I see no grammatical errors and no mention of Ron Coomer.
I think it's clear we just need to codify the Desipio Rules.
1) Stick To Sportz
2) Not too much Sportz, though
3) Not that Sportz, either.
4) When discussing the Sportz, it's best to ignore Chuck, Fork, and Huey
5) Don't discuss the sportz if you're discussing parts of the sportz not deemed the part of the sportz that are relevant by IAN or TDubbs.
I made that largely modest prediction just to get SKO to shut the fuck up.
Obviously, I failed.
Oh, look Almora's really good after all (http://tonker.co.uk)!!!
Aaaand scene.
Moving on from Almora, does anyone know if Frank Batista (RHP) has actual stuff or might be in any way legit, maybe even just as a future reliever? 25 years old, 2.93 ERA in 241 appearances (21 starts), so far this year has a 0.84 ERA and 0.66 WHIP, .132 BAA, and an 8-2 K:BB in 10.2 innings?
Those all look good, just haven't heard anything about him ever it seems, so does he not have the stuff or what?
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 02:41:58 PM
Moving on from Almora, does anyone know if Frank Batista (RHP) has actual stuff or might be in any way legit, maybe even just as a future reliever? 25 years old, 2.93 ERA in 241 appearances (21 starts), so far this year has a 0.84 ERA and 0.66 WHIP, .132 BAA, and an 8-2 K:BB in 10.2 innings?
Those all look good, just haven't heard anything about him ever it seems, so does he not have the stuff or what?
I don't think there's much here. Converted closer.
Despite the fact that he does indeed write on a Hueyboard, Arguello is generally the best one for prospect info.
Last couple on Batista:
Quote from: 4/21/15
Frank Batista continues our run on good organizational players. Batista has mostly been a closer in recent years but when the Smokies needed a starter, he stepped up. He had his second solid start with 4.2 scoreless innings, walking 2 and striking out 5. He has a 0.84 ERA on the year.
Quote from: 4/14/15
Since we've started this blog, Frank Batista has been a reliever and a pretty good one at the minor league level. Like Negrin he is more of an organizational guy than a bona fide prospect, but that doesn't mean he can't pitch. Batista works in the low to mid 90s with a solid slider and change. Today he got the start and was brilliant, allowing just 3 hits and one run over 6 innings, He did not walk a batter and struck out 3.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 24, 2015, 02:49:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 02:41:58 PM
Moving on from Almora, does anyone know if Frank Batista (RHP) has actual stuff or might be in any way legit, maybe even just as a future reliever? 25 years old, 2.93 ERA in 241 appearances (21 starts), so far this year has a 0.84 ERA and 0.66 WHIP, .132 BAA, and an 8-2 K:BB in 10.2 innings?
Those all look good, just haven't heard anything about him ever it seems, so does he not have the stuff or what?
I don't think there's much here. Converted closer.
Despite the fact that he does indeed write on a Hueyboard, Arguello is generally the best one for prospect info.
Last couple on Batista:
Quote from: 4/21/15
Frank Batista continues our run on good organizational players. Batista has mostly been a closer in recent years but when the Smokies needed a starter, he stepped up. He had his second solid start with 4.2 scoreless innings, walking 2 and striking out 5. He has a 0.84 ERA on the year.
Quote from: 4/14/15
Since we've started this blog, Frank Batista has been a reliever and a pretty good one at the minor league level. Like Negrin he is more of an organizational guy than a bona fide prospect, but that doesn't mean he can't pitch. Batista works in the low to mid 90s with a solid slider and change. Today he got the start and was brilliant, allowing just 3 hits and one run over 6 innings, He did not walk a batter and struck out 3.
Well if he's not a high enough prospect to give a shit about screwing him up I say call him and shoot Schlitter into the sun right fucking now. What've we got to lose?
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 02:50:44 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 24, 2015, 02:49:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 02:41:58 PM
Moving on from Almora, does anyone know if Frank Batista (RHP) has actual stuff or might be in any way legit, maybe even just as a future reliever? 25 years old, 2.93 ERA in 241 appearances (21 starts), so far this year has a 0.84 ERA and 0.66 WHIP, .132 BAA, and an 8-2 K:BB in 10.2 innings?
Those all look good, just haven't heard anything about him ever it seems, so does he not have the stuff or what?
I don't think there's much here. Converted closer.
Despite the fact that he does indeed write on a Hueyboard, Arguello is generally the best one for prospect info.
Last couple on Batista:
Quote from: 4/21/15
Frank Batista continues our run on good organizational players. Batista has mostly been a closer in recent years but when the Smokies needed a starter, he stepped up. He had his second solid start with 4.2 scoreless innings, walking 2 and striking out 5. He has a 0.84 ERA on the year.
Quote from: 4/14/15
Since we've started this blog, Frank Batista has been a reliever and a pretty good one at the minor league level. Like Negrin he is more of an organizational guy than a bona fide prospect, but that doesn't mean he can't pitch. Batista works in the low to mid 90s with a solid slider and change. Today he got the start and was brilliant, allowing just 3 hits and one run over 6 innings, He did not walk a batter and struck out 3.
Well if he's not a high enough prospect to give a shit about screwing him up I say call him and shoot Schlitter into the sun right fucking now. What've we got to lose?
We're all just biding our time until James Russell comes back up and we can commence major dong chugging.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 24, 2015, 03:46:46 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 02:50:44 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 24, 2015, 02:49:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 02:41:58 PM
Moving on from Almora, does anyone know if Frank Batista (RHP) has actual stuff or might be in any way legit, maybe even just as a future reliever? 25 years old, 2.93 ERA in 241 appearances (21 starts), so far this year has a 0.84 ERA and 0.66 WHIP, .132 BAA, and an 8-2 K:BB in 10.2 innings?
Those all look good, just haven't heard anything about him ever it seems, so does he not have the stuff or what?
I don't think there's much here. Converted closer.
Despite the fact that he does indeed write on a Hueyboard, Arguello is generally the best one for prospect info.
Last couple on Batista:
Quote from: 4/21/15
Frank Batista continues our run on good organizational players. Batista has mostly been a closer in recent years but when the Smokies needed a starter, he stepped up. He had his second solid start with 4.2 scoreless innings, walking 2 and striking out 5. He has a 0.84 ERA on the year.
Quote from: 4/14/15
Since we've started this blog, Frank Batista has been a reliever and a pretty good one at the minor league level. Like Negrin he is more of an organizational guy than a bona fide prospect, but that doesn't mean he can't pitch. Batista works in the low to mid 90s with a solid slider and change. Today he got the start and was brilliant, allowing just 3 hits and one run over 6 innings, He did not walk a batter and struck out 3.
Well if he's not a high enough prospect to give a shit about screwing him up I say call him and shoot Schlitter into the sun right fucking now. What've we got to lose?
We're all just biding our time until James Russell comes back up and we can commence major dong chugging.
Actually kinda wondering why they haven't called up Russell. 4.1 scoreless so far at Iowa, 5 Ks, no walks, actual track record of being a successful major league reliever.
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 04:05:56 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 24, 2015, 03:46:46 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 02:50:44 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 24, 2015, 02:49:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 02:41:58 PM
Moving on from Almora, does anyone know if Frank Batista (RHP) has actual stuff or might be in any way legit, maybe even just as a future reliever? 25 years old, 2.93 ERA in 241 appearances (21 starts), so far this year has a 0.84 ERA and 0.66 WHIP, .132 BAA, and an 8-2 K:BB in 10.2 innings?
Those all look good, just haven't heard anything about him ever it seems, so does he not have the stuff or what?
I don't think there's much here. Converted closer.
Despite the fact that he does indeed write on a Hueyboard, Arguello is generally the best one for prospect info.
Last couple on Batista:
Quote from: 4/21/15
Frank Batista continues our run on good organizational players. Batista has mostly been a closer in recent years but when the Smokies needed a starter, he stepped up. He had his second solid start with 4.2 scoreless innings, walking 2 and striking out 5. He has a 0.84 ERA on the year.
Quote from: 4/14/15
Since we've started this blog, Frank Batista has been a reliever and a pretty good one at the minor league level. Like Negrin he is more of an organizational guy than a bona fide prospect, but that doesn't mean he can't pitch. Batista works in the low to mid 90s with a solid slider and change. Today he got the start and was brilliant, allowing just 3 hits and one run over 6 innings, He did not walk a batter and struck out 3.
Well if he's not a high enough prospect to give a shit about screwing him up I say call him and shoot Schlitter into the sun right fucking now. What've we got to lose?
We're all just biding our time until James Russell comes back up and we can commence major dong chugging.
Actually kinda wondering why they haven't called up Russell. 4.1 scoreless so far at Iowa, 5 Ks, no walks, actual track record of being a successful major league reliever.
Probably because Jepstink are decent human beings who want to give Schlitter a fair shake at pursuing his lifelong dream instead of shit all over him for a couple of bad weeks.
(http://memecrunch.com/meme/43AY5/but-thats-none-of-my-business/image.png)
Quote from: ChuckD on April 24, 2015, 07:55:52 PM
Probably because Jepstink are decent human beings who want to give Schlitter a fair shake at pursuing his lifelong dream instead of shit all over him for a couple of bad weeks.
You've perfectly walked that line where I can't tell how serious you are right now.
Quote from: Eli on April 24, 2015, 08:04:34 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on April 24, 2015, 07:55:52 PM
Probably because Jepstink are decent human beings who want to give Schlitter a fair shake at pursuing his lifelong dream instead of shit all over him for a couple of bad weeks.
You've perfectly walked that line where I can't tell how serious you are right now.
I spy a kernel of truth in there. Although I did have some black bean salsa last night, so it could very well be corn.
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 04:05:56 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 24, 2015, 03:46:46 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 02:50:44 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 24, 2015, 02:49:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 02:41:58 PM
Moving on from Almora, does anyone know if Frank Batista (RHP) has actual stuff or might be in any way legit, maybe even just as a future reliever? 25 years old, 2.93 ERA in 241 appearances (21 starts), so far this year has a 0.84 ERA and 0.66 WHIP, .132 BAA, and an 8-2 K:BB in 10.2 innings?
Those all look good, just haven't heard anything about him ever it seems, so does he not have the stuff or what?
I don't think there's much here. Converted closer.
Despite the fact that he does indeed write on a Hueyboard, Arguello is generally the best one for prospect info.
Last couple on Batista:
Quote from: 4/21/15
Frank Batista continues our run on good organizational players. Batista has mostly been a closer in recent years but when the Smokies needed a starter, he stepped up. He had his second solid start with 4.2 scoreless innings, walking 2 and striking out 5. He has a 0.84 ERA on the year.
Quote from: 4/14/15
Since we've started this blog, Frank Batista has been a reliever and a pretty good one at the minor league level. Like Negrin he is more of an organizational guy than a bona fide prospect, but that doesn't mean he can't pitch. Batista works in the low to mid 90s with a solid slider and change. Today he got the start and was brilliant, allowing just 3 hits and one run over 6 innings, He did not walk a batter and struck out 3.
Well if he's not a high enough prospect to give a shit about screwing him up I say call him and shoot Schlitter into the sun right fucking now. What've we got to lose?
We're all just biding our time until James Russell comes back up and we can commence major dong chugging.
Actually kinda wondering why they haven't called up Russell. 4.1 scoreless so far at Iowa, 5 Ks, no walks, actual track record of being a successful major league reliever.
Still kinda wondering why the Braves let him go. I mean, they KEPT Jim Johnson.
Cubs minor-league reliever CJ Edwards should now be known as Cubs minor-league reliever Carl Edwards, Jr. (https://twitter.com/JustinRocke/status/592759133767610370), his legal name.
Quote from: Eli on April 27, 2015, 03:11:27 PM
Cubs minor-league reliever CJ Edwards should now be known as Cubs minor-league reliever Carl Edwards, Jr. (https://twitter.com/JustinRocke/status/592759133767610370), his legal name.
Got it.
(http://fitnessrxformen.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/FITRX-CARL-EDWARDS-ins1.jpg)
Quote from: PenFoe on April 27, 2015, 03:18:31 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 27, 2015, 03:11:27 PM
Cubs minor-league reliever CJ Edwards should now be known as Cubs minor-league reliever Carl Edwards, Jr. (https://twitter.com/JustinRocke/status/592759133767610370), his legal name.
Got it.
(http://fitnessrxformen.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/FITRX-CARL-EDWARDS-ins1.jpg)
And wear #99.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 27, 2015, 03:18:31 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 27, 2015, 03:11:27 PM
Cubs minor-league reliever CJ Edwards should now be known as Cubs minor-league reliever Carl Edwards, Jr. (https://twitter.com/JustinRocke/status/592759133767610370), his legal name.
Got it.
(http://fitnessrxformen.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/FITRX-CARL-EDWARDS-ins1.jpg)(https://markrathbun.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/dm241.jpg?w=500)
David Miscavige?
Quote from: PenFoe on April 24, 2015, 02:49:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 24, 2015, 02:41:58 PM
Moving on from Almora, does anyone know if Frank Batista (RHP) has actual stuff or might be in any way legit, maybe even just as a future reliever? 25 years old, 2.93 ERA in 241 appearances (21 starts), so far this year has a 0.84 ERA and 0.66 WHIP, .132 BAA, and an 8-2 K:BB in 10.2 innings?
Those all look good, just haven't heard anything about him ever it seems, so does he not have the stuff or what?
I don't think there's much here. Converted closer.
Despite the fact that he does indeed write on a Hueyboard, Arguello is generally the best one for prospect info.
Last couple on Batista:
Quote from: 4/21/15
Frank Batista continues our run on good organizational players. Batista has mostly been a closer in recent years but when the Smokies needed a starter, he stepped up. He had his second solid start with 4.2 scoreless innings, walking 2 and striking out 5. He has a 0.84 ERA on the year.
Quote from: 4/14/15
Since we've started this blog, Frank Batista has been a reliever and a pretty good one at the minor league level. Like Negrin he is more of an organizational guy than a bona fide prospect, but that doesn't mean he can't pitch. Batista works in the low to mid 90s with a solid slider and change. Today he got the start and was brilliant, allowing just 3 hits and one run over 6 innings, He did not walk a batter and struck out 3.
Batista started yesterday and went 7 innings, 1 ER, 8 Ks for Tennesse, and the run actually raised his ERA to 1.02 in 17.2 innings. His WHIP is 0.679. For a non-prospect converted closer those numbers seem really damn good. Wonder if he can keep it up and surprise people.
https://www.getmoresports.com/photo-gallery-coveted-cubs-prospect-kyle-schwarber-gets-hit-in-head-with-bat-returns-to-hit-home-run/ (https://www.getmoresports.com/photo-gallery-coveted-cubs-prospect-kyle-schwarber-gets-hit-in-head-with-bat-returns-to-hit-home-run/)
Last night, Schwarbs was bonked in the head by a backswing but in the next half inning came back to do hit his third dong of the season. Look at this majestic specimen:
(https://www.getmoresports.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/610-1024x634.jpg)
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 28, 2015, 08:42:07 AM
https://www.getmoresports.com/photo-gallery-coveted-cubs-prospect-kyle-schwarber-gets-hit-in-head-with-bat-returns-to-hit-home-run/ (https://www.getmoresports.com/photo-gallery-coveted-cubs-prospect-kyle-schwarber-gets-hit-in-head-with-bat-returns-to-hit-home-run/)
Last night, Schwarbs was bonked in the head by a backswing but in the next half inning came back to do hit his third dong of the season. Look at this majestic specimen:
(https://www.getmoresports.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/610-1024x634.jpg)
It was not his own backswing but someone else's while he was at catcher, if you're thinking what I was thinking.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 28, 2015, 11:03:27 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 28, 2015, 08:42:07 AM
https://www.getmoresports.com/photo-gallery-coveted-cubs-prospect-kyle-schwarber-gets-hit-in-head-with-bat-returns-to-hit-home-run/ (https://www.getmoresports.com/photo-gallery-coveted-cubs-prospect-kyle-schwarber-gets-hit-in-head-with-bat-returns-to-hit-home-run/)
Last night, Schwarbs was bonked in the head by a backswing but in the next half inning came back to do hit his third dong of the season. Look at this majestic specimen:
(https://www.getmoresports.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/610-1024x634.jpg)
It was not his own backswing but someone else's while he was at catcher, if you're thinking what I was thinking.
Update on Vogelbach and Schwarber lines:
Vogelbach: .414/.521/.690/1.211 with 3 homers, 13 walks, 6 strikeouts
Schwarber: .370/.483/.652/1.135 with 3 homers, 11 walks, 13 K.
Dan Vogelbach is slugging higher than Almora's OPS (.677 despite a .297 BA).
So as not to keep filling up the page with a giant photo...
when do either one of these guys get promoted? They've gotta be days away at this point.
Quote from: Slaky on April 28, 2015, 12:44:46 PM
So as not to keep filling up the page with a giant photo...
when do either one of these guys get promoted? They've gotta be days away at this point.
We said the same thing about Bryant last year and he didn't get promoted till mid-season. I think Theo has a set number of PAs he'd like each guy to get at each level most of the time, with the rare exception of Addison being fast-tracked.
Quote from: Slaky on April 28, 2015, 12:44:46 PM
So as not to keep filling up the page with a giant photo...
(https://www.getmoresports.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/610-1024x634.jpg)
when do either one of these guys get promoted? They've gotta be days away at this point.
I'd bet on at least two more months, minimum. Bryant got 300 PAs at Tennessee and was similarly destroying the league, so I'd be surprised if Schwarber was on a faster timeline. Especially considering that he requires a lot more defensive development at catcher.
And total spitballing here, but maybe they'd be best served to leave Vogelbach down in AA and just let him pile up numbers until some AL GM can't resist trading for him.
Schwarber bomb: http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/04/28/kyle-schwarber-takes-a-bat-to-the-head-exacts-revenge-with-monster-homer-video/ (http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/04/28/kyle-schwarber-takes-a-bat-to-the-head-exacts-revenge-with-monster-homer-video/)
Albert Almora to the 7-day MiLB DL with a concussion. Jacob Hannemann to AA Tennessee.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 28, 2015, 03:13:13 PM
Albert Almora to the 7-day MiLB DL with a concussion.
Hope he gets better soon, like, ability-wise.
Quote from: Eli on April 28, 2015, 03:26:28 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 28, 2015, 03:13:13 PM
Albert Almora to the 7-day MiLB DL with a concussion.
Hope he gets better soon, like, ability-wise.
QuoteAlmora was hitting .297/.333/.344 at Tennessee (96 wRC+) with a 6.8% walk rate and an 8.1% strikeout rate.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 28, 2015, 03:28:13 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 28, 2015, 03:26:28 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 28, 2015, 03:13:13 PM
Albert Almora to the 7-day MiLB DL with a concussion.
Hope he gets better soon, like, ability-wise.
QuoteAlmora was hitting .297/.333/.344 at Tennessee (96 wRC+) with a 6.8% walk rate and an 8.1% strikeout rate.
I'm just gonna ask since you posted that as a response to Eli...do you think that's a good statline? Because it's definitely not.
Quote from: SKO on April 28, 2015, 03:41:17 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 28, 2015, 03:28:13 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 28, 2015, 03:26:28 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 28, 2015, 03:13:13 PM
Albert Almora to the 7-day MiLB DL with a concussion.
Hope he gets better soon, like, ability-wise.
QuoteAlmora was hitting .297/.333/.344 at Tennessee (96 wRC+) with a 6.8% walk rate and an 8.1% strikeout rate.
I'm just gonna ask since you posted that as a response to Eli...do you think that's a good statline? Because it's definitely not.
The K rate is pretty good...
It's the "meaningful hits" rate that is lacking.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 28, 2015, 03:48:15 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 28, 2015, 03:41:17 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 28, 2015, 03:28:13 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 28, 2015, 03:26:28 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 28, 2015, 03:13:13 PM
Albert Almora to the 7-day MiLB DL with a concussion.
Hope he gets better soon, like, ability-wise.
QuoteAlmora was hitting .297/.333/.344 at Tennessee (96 wRC+) with a 6.8% walk rate and an 8.1% strikeout rate.
I'm just gonna ask since you posted that as a response to Eli...do you think that's a good statline? Because it's definitely not.
The K rate is pretty good...
It's the "meaningful hits" rate that is lacking.
How many meaningful hits for a deserved win?
Quote from: PenFoe on April 28, 2015, 03:48:15 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 28, 2015, 03:41:17 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 28, 2015, 03:28:13 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 28, 2015, 03:26:28 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 28, 2015, 03:13:13 PM
Albert Almora to the 7-day MiLB DL with a concussion.
Hope he gets better soon, like, ability-wise.
QuoteAlmora was hitting .297/.333/.344 at Tennessee (96 wRC+) with a 6.8% walk rate and an 8.1% strikeout rate.
I'm just gonna ask since you posted that as a response to Eli...do you think that's a good statline? Because it's definitely not.
The K rate is pretty good...
It's the "meaningful hits" rate that is lacking.
That's certainly one way to put it.
Just for comparison's sake, since they're both apparently similar hitters in that they won't K or walk a lot and neither tends to wait for pitches they can drive for power, either:
Starlin Castro in 57 games in AA, at age 20:
.332/.384/.482/.866, 19 walks (7.8%), 41 Ks (16.8%) in 243 PAs
Almora in 52 games at 20/21:
.254/.278/.351/.629, 7 walks (3.2%), 29 Ks (13.3%) in 218 PAs.
And yes, I'm mostly just doing this as a response to Chuck playing the heel on Castro while preaching patience on Almora, as Eli pointed out awhile back.
I was just making a dumb joke.
Quote from: Eli on April 28, 2015, 03:58:59 PM
I was just making a dumb joke.
Dumb joke or not I'm 100% convinced that Albert Almora is awful.
Speaking Schwarber, McLeod was on the radio the other day (http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2015/04/jason-mcleod-talks-cubs-prospects-and-the-draft-on-mlb-network-radio.php#.VUAES9JVhy2) and said he's confident Schwarber can stick at catcher.
Quote"It's been a great year of development for him. And this is no knock on anyone that was at Indiana but just what he had to do receiving wise to catch what we feel is at the Major League level in time, he's worked his tail off. You see it every single day now. When he was in big league camp he was catching [Jake] Arrieta and all of those guys there. He's got tremendous hands and he's moving very well behind the plate. Last night he had a sub-2 throwing time on a runner down to second base. So the process has been great with him. I know I can speak for all of us in the organization, we feel very confident that he is going to be able to catch in the Major Leagues and be a force at the plate."
That would be cool.
Quote from: Eli on April 28, 2015, 05:08:12 PM
Speaking Schwarber, McLeod was on the radio the other day (http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2015/04/jason-mcleod-talks-cubs-prospects-and-the-draft-on-mlb-network-radio.php#.VUAES9JVhy2) and said he's confident Schwarber can stick at catcher.
Quote"It's been a great year of development for him. And this is no knock on anyone that was at Indiana but just what he had to do receiving wise to catch what we feel is at the Major League level in time, he's worked his tail off. You see it every single day now. When he was in big league camp he was catching [Jake] Arrieta and all of those guys there. He's got tremendous hands and he's moving very well behind the plate. Last night he had a sub-2 throwing time on a runner down to second base. So the process has been great with him. I know I can speak for all of us in the organization, we feel very confident that he is going to be able to catch in the Major Leagues and be a force at the plate."
That would be cool.
So that raises the question...could
Vogelbach play LF?
And before any of you spit-take your microbrews at the suggestion, consider that Greg Fucking Luzinski was a starting left fielder for a World Series winner in 1980.
Quote from: PANK! on April 28, 2015, 05:15:57 PM
So that raises the question...could Vogelbach play LF?
Not even on Mars.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 28, 2015, 03:13:13 PM
Albert Almora to the 7-day MiLB DL with a concussion. Jacob Hannemann to AA Tennessee.
Schwarber got hit so hard his teammate got a concussion.
Quote from: PANK! on April 28, 2015, 05:15:57 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 28, 2015, 05:08:12 PM
Speaking Schwarber, McLeod was on the radio the other day (http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2015/04/jason-mcleod-talks-cubs-prospects-and-the-draft-on-mlb-network-radio.php#.VUAES9JVhy2) and said he's confident Schwarber can stick at catcher.
Quote"It's been a great year of development for him. And this is no knock on anyone that was at Indiana but just what he had to do receiving wise to catch what we feel is at the Major League level in time, he's worked his tail off. You see it every single day now. When he was in big league camp he was catching [Jake] Arrieta and all of those guys there. He's got tremendous hands and he's moving very well behind the plate. Last night he had a sub-2 throwing time on a runner down to second base. So the process has been great with him. I know I can speak for all of us in the organization, we feel very confident that he is going to be able to catch in the Major Leagues and be a force at the plate."
That would be cool.
So that raises the question...could Vogelbach play LF?
And before any of you spit-take your microbrews at the suggestion, consider that Greg Fucking Luzinski was a starting left fielder for a World Series winner in 1980.
Nobody uses the term "microbrew" anymore, Old Man.
It's Craft Beer.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 28, 2015, 05:43:47 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 28, 2015, 05:15:57 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 28, 2015, 05:08:12 PM
Speaking Schwarber, McLeod was on the radio the other day (http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2015/04/jason-mcleod-talks-cubs-prospects-and-the-draft-on-mlb-network-radio.php#.VUAES9JVhy2) and said he's confident Schwarber can stick at catcher.
Quote"It's been a great year of development for him. And this is no knock on anyone that was at Indiana but just what he had to do receiving wise to catch what we feel is at the Major League level in time, he's worked his tail off. You see it every single day now. When he was in big league camp he was catching [Jake] Arrieta and all of those guys there. He's got tremendous hands and he's moving very well behind the plate. Last night he had a sub-2 throwing time on a runner down to second base. So the process has been great with him. I know I can speak for all of us in the organization, we feel very confident that he is going to be able to catch in the Major Leagues and be a force at the plate."
That would be cool.
So that raises the question...could Vogelbach play LF?
And before any of you spit-take your microbrews at the suggestion, consider that Greg Fucking Luzinski was a starting left fielder for a World Series winner in 1980.
Nobody uses the term "microbrew" anymore, Old Man.
It's Craft Beer.
Oops. (http://www.hark.com/clips/qjzwjsqkzf-my-mistake)
Schwarber homers again.
Jacob Hannemann is already better than Almora
Quote from: Eli on April 28, 2015, 05:16:56 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 28, 2015, 05:15:57 PM
So that raises the question...could Vogelbach play LF?
Not even on Mars.
If they wrapped the baseball in bacon maybe.
I don't want to say Vogelbach can't play left field without actually seeing it, but I do think it would at least be a hilarious Spring Training experiment. FWIW, I did see a few pictures of Vogelbach and Schwarber standing next to each other in the Smokies' locker room and their body types are not very different at all...and one was supposed to be able to play LF without many limitations. I saw Vogelbach run the bases and he moves well for a big guy, but that in no way means he can play the outfield. It at least tells me he doesn't move like John Kruk.
I don't think Vogelbach has much of a position other than 1B and DH (duh), so we really just have to hope the DH comes to the NL before Vogelbach does if we want to see him in a Cubs uniform. Rizzo is under contract until 2019 with two club options for 2020 and 2021, so Vogelbach is very blocked at the MLB level if we assume Rizzo continues his awesomeness.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 29, 2015, 07:41:21 AM
I don't want to say Vogelbach can't play left field without actually seeing it, but I do think it would at least be a hilarious Spring Training experiment. FWIW, I did see a few pictures of Vogelbach and Schwarber standing next to each other in the Smokies' locker room and their body types are not very different at all...and one was supposed to be able to play LF without many limitations. I saw Vogelbach run the bases and he moves well for a big guy, but that in no way means he can play the outfield. It at least tells me he doesn't move like John Kruk.
I don't think Vogelbach has much of a position other than 1B and DH (duh), so we really just have to hope the DH comes to the NL before Vogelbach does if we want to see him in a Cubs uniform. Rizzo is under contract until 2019 with two club options for 2020 and 2021, so Vogelbach is very blocked at the MLB level if we assume Rizzo continues his awesomeness.
If I recall correctly, John Kruk--who was always fat-- started his career as an OF for San Diego.
I'm not pretending Vogelbach would be great, but I imagine it's possible they could get by with it, at least for a little while, early in his career. Like I said, Luzinski was fat
and old but it didn't prevent him from playing LF on a World Series winner.
I'm not pushing for it, I'm just positing that it's not out of the question...or at least shouldn't be.
Quote from: PANK! on April 29, 2015, 07:47:08 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 29, 2015, 07:41:21 AM
I don't want to say Vogelbach can't play left field without actually seeing it, but I do think it would at least be a hilarious Spring Training experiment. FWIW, I did see a few pictures of Vogelbach and Schwarber standing next to each other in the Smokies' locker room and their body types are not very different at all...and one was supposed to be able to play LF without many limitations. I saw Vogelbach run the bases and he moves well for a big guy, but that in no way means he can play the outfield. It at least tells me he doesn't move like John Kruk.
I don't think Vogelbach has much of a position other than 1B and DH (duh), so we really just have to hope the DH comes to the NL before Vogelbach does if we want to see him in a Cubs uniform. Rizzo is under contract until 2019 with two club options for 2020 and 2021, so Vogelbach is very blocked at the MLB level if we assume Rizzo continues his awesomeness.
If I recall correctly, John Kruk--who was always fat-- started his career as an OF for San Diego.
I'm not pretending Vogelbach would be great, but I imagine it's possible they could get by with it, at least for a little while, early in his career. Like I said, Luzinski was fat and old but it didn't prevent him from playing LF on a World Series winner.
I'm not pushing for it, I'm just positing that it's not out of the question...or at least shouldn't be.
If Vogelbach
can't play LF, he needs to be in the AL.
Quote from: PANK! on April 29, 2015, 07:47:08 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 29, 2015, 07:41:21 AM
I don't want to say Vogelbach can't play left field without actually seeing it, but I do think it would at least be a hilarious Spring Training experiment. FWIW, I did see a few pictures of Vogelbach and Schwarber standing next to each other in the Smokies' locker room and their body types are not very different at all...and one was supposed to be able to play LF without many limitations. I saw Vogelbach run the bases and he moves well for a big guy, but that in no way means he can play the outfield. It at least tells me he doesn't move like John Kruk.
I don't think Vogelbach has much of a position other than 1B and DH (duh), so we really just have to hope the DH comes to the NL before Vogelbach does if we want to see him in a Cubs uniform. Rizzo is under contract until 2019 with two club options for 2020 and 2021, so Vogelbach is very blocked at the MLB level if we assume Rizzo continues his awesomeness.
If I recall correctly, John Kruk--who was always fat-- started his career as an OF for San Diego.
I'm not pretending Vogelbach would be great, but I imagine it's possible they could get by with it, at least for a little while, early in his career. Like I said, Luzinski was fat and old but it didn't prevent him from playing LF on a World Series winner.
I'm not pushing for it, I'm just positing that it's not out of the question...or at least shouldn't be.
If his bat is this advanced and can hold up at the MLB level, I'm all for the Cubs inventing ways to get him in the lineup in the future. There is also the chance the Cubs get him on a dietary and weight program to increase his mobility and range, but I think they would have tried that by now...if they haven't already.
Quote from: Tonker on April 29, 2015, 07:57:04 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 29, 2015, 07:47:08 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 29, 2015, 07:41:21 AM
I don't want to say Vogelbach can't play left field without actually seeing it, but I do think it would at least be a hilarious Spring Training experiment. FWIW, I did see a few pictures of Vogelbach and Schwarber standing next to each other in the Smokies' locker room and their body types are not very different at all...and one was supposed to be able to play LF without many limitations. I saw Vogelbach run the bases and he moves well for a big guy, but that in no way means he can play the outfield. It at least tells me he doesn't move like John Kruk.
I don't think Vogelbach has much of a position other than 1B and DH (duh), so we really just have to hope the DH comes to the NL before Vogelbach does if we want to see him in a Cubs uniform. Rizzo is under contract until 2019 with two club options for 2020 and 2021, so Vogelbach is very blocked at the MLB level if we assume Rizzo continues his awesomeness.
If I recall correctly, John Kruk--who was always fat-- started his career as an OF for San Diego.
I'm not pretending Vogelbach would be great, but I imagine it's possible they could get by with it, at least for a little while, early in his career. Like I said, Luzinski was fat and old but it didn't prevent him from playing LF on a World Series winner.
I'm not pushing for it, I'm just positing that it's not out of the question...or at least shouldn't be.
If Vogelbach can't play LF, he needs to be in the AL.
Agreed. Just throwing it out there for consideration.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 29, 2015, 07:41:21 AM
I don't want to say Vogelbach can't play left field without actually seeing it, but I do think it would at least be a hilarious Spring Training experiment. FWIW, I did see a few pictures of Vogelbach and Schwarber standing next to each other in the Smokies' locker room and their body types are not very different at all...and one was supposed to be able to play LF without many limitations. I saw Vogelbach run the bases and he moves well for a big guy, but that in no way means he can play the outfield. It at least tells me he doesn't move like John Kruk.
I don't think Vogelbach has much of a position other than 1B and DH (duh), so we really just have to hope the DH comes to the NL before Vogelbach does if we want to see him in a Cubs uniform. Rizzo is under contract until 2019 with two club options for 2020 and 2021, so Vogelbach is very blocked at the MLB level if we assume Rizzo continues his awesomeness.
Also, the National League DH would come in 2017 at the earliest (current CBA expires after 2106 I believe).
Vogelbach will be in the bigs before then.
Quote from: PANK! on April 29, 2015, 08:14:44 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 29, 2015, 07:41:21 AM
I don't want to say Vogelbach can't play left field without actually seeing it, but I do think it would at least be a hilarious Spring Training experiment. FWIW, I did see a few pictures of Vogelbach and Schwarber standing next to each other in the Smokies' locker room and their body types are not very different at all...and one was supposed to be able to play LF without many limitations. I saw Vogelbach run the bases and he moves well for a big guy, but that in no way means he can play the outfield. It at least tells me he doesn't move like John Kruk.
I don't think Vogelbach has much of a position other than 1B and DH (duh), so we really just have to hope the DH comes to the NL before Vogelbach does if we want to see him in a Cubs uniform. Rizzo is under contract until 2019 with two club options for 2020 and 2021, so Vogelbach is very blocked at the MLB level if we assume Rizzo continues his awesomeness.
Also, the National League DH would come in 2017 at the earliest (current CBA expires after 2106 I believe).
Vogelbach will be in the bigs before then.
It may make me a MEATBALL but I am absolutely dead set against the DH in the NL, and probably always will be.
Quote from: Tonker on April 29, 2015, 08:24:38 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 29, 2015, 08:14:44 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 29, 2015, 07:41:21 AM
I don't want to say Vogelbach can't play left field without actually seeing it, but I do think it would at least be a hilarious Spring Training experiment. FWIW, I did see a few pictures of Vogelbach and Schwarber standing next to each other in the Smokies' locker room and their body types are not very different at all...and one was supposed to be able to play LF without many limitations. I saw Vogelbach run the bases and he moves well for a big guy, but that in no way means he can play the outfield. It at least tells me he doesn't move like John Kruk.
I don't think Vogelbach has much of a position other than 1B and DH (duh), so we really just have to hope the DH comes to the NL before Vogelbach does if we want to see him in a Cubs uniform. Rizzo is under contract until 2019 with two club options for 2020 and 2021, so Vogelbach is very blocked at the MLB level if we assume Rizzo continues his awesomeness.
Also, the National League DH would come in 2017 at the earliest (current CBA expires after 2106 I believe).
Vogelbach will be in the bigs before then.
It may make me a MEATBALL but I am absolutely dead set against the DH in the NL, and probably always will be.
I used to be that way but I'm kinda with Len Kasper in that with interleague being a year long thing now it just doesn't make sense anymore to have two different sets of rules. So either get rid of interleague (never happening) or bring the NL the DH. Having guys like Vogelbach and Schwarber sure makes it more appealing now than it was before, too.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 29, 2015, 07:41:21 AM
Vogelbach is very blocked at the MLB level if we assume Rizzo continues his awesomeness.
Sounds like the perfect guy to include in a deal for Cole.
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 08:25:57 AM
Quote from: Tonker on April 29, 2015, 08:24:38 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 29, 2015, 08:14:44 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 29, 2015, 07:41:21 AM
I don't want to say Vogelbach can't play left field without actually seeing it, but I do think it would at least be a hilarious Spring Training experiment. FWIW, I did see a few pictures of Vogelbach and Schwarber standing next to each other in the Smokies' locker room and their body types are not very different at all...and one was supposed to be able to play LF without many limitations. I saw Vogelbach run the bases and he moves well for a big guy, but that in no way means he can play the outfield. It at least tells me he doesn't move like John Kruk.
I don't think Vogelbach has much of a position other than 1B and DH (duh), so we really just have to hope the DH comes to the NL before Vogelbach does if we want to see him in a Cubs uniform. Rizzo is under contract until 2019 with two club options for 2020 and 2021, so Vogelbach is very blocked at the MLB level if we assume Rizzo continues his awesomeness.
Also, the National League DH would come in 2017 at the earliest (current CBA expires after 2106 I believe).
Vogelbach will be in the bigs before then.
It may make me a MEATBALL but I am absolutely dead set against the DH in the NL, and probably always will be.
I used to be that way but I'm kinda with Len Kasper in that with interleague being a year long thing now it just doesn't make sense anymore to have two different sets of rules. So either get rid of interleague (never happening) or bring the NL the DH. Having guys like Vogelbach and Schwarber sure makes it more appealing now than it was before, too.
Same. I used to be zealously anti-DH but I've grown out of it. The fact that Cubs have seemed to have cornered some major offensive talent in a post-steroid world where offense is at a premium has only hastened my change in conviction. I'm not concerned with how nakedly self-interested this makes me look.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 29, 2015, 08:26:02 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 29, 2015, 07:41:21 AM
Vogelbach is very blocked at the MLB level if we assume Rizzo continues his awesomeness.
Sounds like the perfect guy to include in a deal for Cole.
They can have Castillo too. Hell, if MY GUY Junior Lake suddenly develops some value (he looked like a different hitter last night) throw him in. Would be awesome if the Cubs could flip all of this flotsam for Hamels.
Quote from: PANK! on April 29, 2015, 08:27:54 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 08:25:57 AM
Quote from: Tonker on April 29, 2015, 08:24:38 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 29, 2015, 08:14:44 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 29, 2015, 07:41:21 AM
I don't want to say Vogelbach can't play left field without actually seeing it, but I do think it would at least be a hilarious Spring Training experiment. FWIW, I did see a few pictures of Vogelbach and Schwarber standing next to each other in the Smokies' locker room and their body types are not very different at all...and one was supposed to be able to play LF without many limitations. I saw Vogelbach run the bases and he moves well for a big guy, but that in no way means he can play the outfield. It at least tells me he doesn't move like John Kruk.
I don't think Vogelbach has much of a position other than 1B and DH (duh), so we really just have to hope the DH comes to the NL before Vogelbach does if we want to see him in a Cubs uniform. Rizzo is under contract until 2019 with two club options for 2020 and 2021, so Vogelbach is very blocked at the MLB level if we assume Rizzo continues his awesomeness.
Also, the National League DH would come in 2017 at the earliest (current CBA expires after 2106 I believe).
Vogelbach will be in the bigs before then.
It may make me a MEATBALL but I am absolutely dead set against the DH in the NL, and probably always will be.
I used to be that way but I'm kinda with Len Kasper in that with interleague being a year long thing now it just doesn't make sense anymore to have two different sets of rules. So either get rid of interleague (never happening) or bring the NL the DH. Having guys like Vogelbach and Schwarber sure makes it more appealing now than it was before, too.
Same. I sued to be zealously anti-DH but I've grown out of it. The fact that Cubs have seemed to have cornered some major offensive talent in a post-steroid world where offense is at a premium has only hastened my change in conviction. I'm not concerned with how nakedly self-interested this makes me look.
Well it does irritate me every time the Cubs go to an American league ballpark and their DH is someone like Welington Castillo (no offense to Beef) and the other team has David Ortiz or whatever. I know that advantage is supposedly made up for by the American League team having to be down a player in NL ballparks, but I still think not having a 9th, full-time professional hitter even on the roster and going to an AL ballpark is a bigger disadvantage than sometimes just having to make do with 8 like every National League dteam does anyway.
Quote from: PANK! on April 29, 2015, 07:47:08 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 29, 2015, 07:41:21 AM
I don't want to say Vogelbach can't play left field without actually seeing it, but I do think it would at least be a hilarious Spring Training experiment. FWIW, I did see a few pictures of Vogelbach and Schwarber standing next to each other in the Smokies' locker room and their body types are not very different at all...and one was supposed to be able to play LF without many limitations. I saw Vogelbach run the bases and he moves well for a big guy, but that in no way means he can play the outfield. It at least tells me he doesn't move like John Kruk.
I don't think Vogelbach has much of a position other than 1B and DH (duh), so we really just have to hope the DH comes to the NL before Vogelbach does if we want to see him in a Cubs uniform. Rizzo is under contract until 2019 with two club options for 2020 and 2021, so Vogelbach is very blocked at the MLB level if we assume Rizzo continues his awesomeness.
If I recall correctly, John Kruk--who was always fat-- started his career as an OF for San Diego.
I'm not pretending Vogelbach would be great, but I imagine it's possible they could get by with it, at least for a little while, early in his career. Like I said, Luzinski was fat and old but it didn't prevent him from playing LF on a World Series winner.
I'm not pushing for it, I'm just positing that it's not out of the question...or at least shouldn't be.
He can barely play first base. He'd make Adam Dunn look like Alex Gordon out there.
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 08:33:02 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 29, 2015, 07:47:08 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 29, 2015, 07:41:21 AM
I don't want to say Vogelbach can't play left field without actually seeing it, but I do think it would at least be a hilarious Spring Training experiment. FWIW, I did see a few pictures of Vogelbach and Schwarber standing next to each other in the Smokies' locker room and their body types are not very different at all...and one was supposed to be able to play LF without many limitations. I saw Vogelbach run the bases and he moves well for a big guy, but that in no way means he can play the outfield. It at least tells me he doesn't move like John Kruk.
I don't think Vogelbach has much of a position other than 1B and DH (duh), so we really just have to hope the DH comes to the NL before Vogelbach does if we want to see him in a Cubs uniform. Rizzo is under contract until 2019 with two club options for 2020 and 2021, so Vogelbach is very blocked at the MLB level if we assume Rizzo continues his awesomeness.
If I recall correctly, John Kruk--who was always fat-- started his career as an OF for San Diego.
I'm not pretending Vogelbach would be great, but I imagine it's possible they could get by with it, at least for a little while, early in his career. Like I said, Luzinski was fat and old but it didn't prevent him from playing LF on a World Series winner.
I'm not pushing for it, I'm just positing that it's not out of the question...or at least shouldn't be.
He can barely play first base. He'd make Adam Dunn look like Alex Gordon out there.
I think we'll stick with Bill James' famous BMI/Outfield Conversion chart over your nay-saying, Eli. It's science.
Now I really want to see Vogelbach run out to Left Field just to see Eli's head 'asplode.
Quote from: PANK! on April 29, 2015, 08:36:00 AM
Now I really want to see Vogelbach run out to Left Field just to see Eli's head 'asplode.
My head wouldn't asplode because I'd be so excited to see what happened the first time they hit a ball anywhere near him.
I mostly just think this kind of message board stuff is amusing -- let's throw Vogelbach in left, Baez in center, Junior Lake in the bullpen, then trade Almora and Blake Parker for Cole Hamels.
This discussion was actually had on Twitter (https://twitter.com/TommyECook/status/592030048829321216) the other day, for further reading.
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 08:42:36 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 29, 2015, 08:36:00 AM
Now I really want to see Vogelbach run out to Left Field just to see Eli's head 'asplode.
My head wouldn't asplode because I'd be so excited to see what happened the first time they hit a ball anywhere near him.
I mostly just think this kind of message board stuff is amusing -- let's throw Vogelbach in left, Baez in center, Junior Lake in the bullpen, then trade Almora and Blake Parker for Cole Hamels.
This discussion was actually had on Twitter (https://twitter.com/TommyECook/status/592030048829321216) the other day, for further reading.
From what I've the Phillies have asked for a near major league ready starting pitching prospect in every single conversation about Hamels. Frankly that's the one thing the Cubs don't seem to have, and guys closest to fitting that description in the minors are hurt. So I don't think they'll be content to trade him even for a reasonable package of hitters like Vogelbach/Baez etc.
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 08:45:03 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 08:42:36 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 29, 2015, 08:36:00 AM
Now I really want to see Vogelbach run out to Left Field just to see Eli's head 'asplode.
My head wouldn't asplode because I'd be so excited to see what happened the first time they hit a ball anywhere near him.
I mostly just think this kind of message board stuff is amusing -- let's throw Vogelbach in left, Baez in center, Junior Lake in the bullpen, then trade Almora and Blake Parker for Cole Hamels.
This discussion was actually had on Twitter (https://twitter.com/TommyECook/status/592030048829321216) the other day, for further reading.
From what I've the Phillies have asked for a near major league ready starting pitching prospect in every single conversation about Hamels. Frankly that's the one thing the Cubs don't seem to have, and guys closest to fitting that description in the minors are hurt. So I don't think they'll be content to trade him even for a reasonable package of hitters like Vogelbach/Baez etc.
You mean to tell me the Phillies scoff at the idea of having Eric Jokisch on their team?
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 08:42:36 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 29, 2015, 08:36:00 AM
Now I really want to see Vogelbach run out to Left Field just to see Eli's head 'asplode.
My head wouldn't asplode because I'd be so excited to see what happened the first time they hit a ball anywhere near him.
I mostly just think this kind of message board stuff is amusing -- let's throw Vogelbach in left, Baez in center, Junior Lake in the bullpen, then trade Almora and Blake Parker for Cole Hamels.
This discussion was actually had on Twitter (https://twitter.com/TommyECook/status/592030048829321216) the other day, for further reading.
And a google query of "could dan vogelbach play left field?" led me to the this Reddit (http://www.reddit.com/r/CHICubs/comments/340za5/any_way_dan_vogelbach_goes_to_the_outfield_the/).
All the nerds say no way but I AM NOT DETERRED.
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 08:45:03 AM
From what I've the Phillies have asked for a near major league ready starting pitching prospect in every single conversation about Hamels. Frankly that's the one thing the Cubs don't seem to have, and guys closest to fitting that description in the minors are hurt. So I don't think they'll be content to trade him even for a reasonable package of hitters like Vogelbach/Baez etc.
I've wondered if the Phillies would be interested in Hendricks in a Hamels trade. He's shown success at the major-league level and even though he doesn't have an ace profile, I'd assume he'd be more enticing than just a random prospect, though you never know with Amaro.
From the Cubs perspective, someone would need to be bumped from the rotation anyway and since Hamels is signed through 2018 or 2019, you don't have the same loss of team control.
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 08:51:00 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 08:45:03 AM
From what I've the Phillies have asked for a near major league ready starting pitching prospect in every single conversation about Hamels. Frankly that's the one thing the Cubs don't seem to have, and guys closest to fitting that description in the minors are hurt. So I don't think they'll be content to trade him even for a reasonable package of hitters like Vogelbach/Baez etc.
I've wondered if the Phillies would be interested in Hendricks in a Hamels trade. He's shown success at the major-league level and even though he doesn't have an ace profile, I'd assume he'd be more enticing than just a random prospect, though you never know with Amaro.
From the Cubs perspective, someone would need to be bumped from the rotation anyway and since Hamels is signed through 2018 or 2019, you don't have the same loss of team control.
I'd be okay with that. There would be a lot of bitching, but a big part of the transition from re-build to contender is fans accepting that you actually have to give up stuff of value to get soemthing of value at this point in the game.
Although is there any reason to be concerned with Hamels start this year? I know he's gotten good results last few times out but he's walking guys at a higher rate than previous years (16 already in 5 starts) and he has surrendered 7 homers. His FIP is 5.56 vs. an ERA in the 3s. Just wondering if any more advanced metrics say if that's just early season bad luck/rough start or indicative of anything more troubling?
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 08:56:38 AM
Although is there any reason to be concerned with Hamels start this year? I know he's gotten good results last few times out but he's walking guys at a higher rate than previous years (16 already in 5 starts) and he has surrendered 7 homers. His FIP is 5.56 vs. an ERA in the 3s. Just wondering if any more advanced metrics say if that's just early season bad luck/rough start or indicative of anything more troubling?
I think most of that comes from getting roughed up by Boston on Opening Day.
Quote from: PANK! on April 29, 2015, 08:30:44 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 29, 2015, 08:26:02 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 29, 2015, 07:41:21 AM
Vogelbach is very blocked at the MLB level if we assume Rizzo continues his awesomeness.
Sounds like the perfect guy to include in a deal for Cole.
They can have Castillo too. Hell, if MY GUY Junior Lake suddenly develops some value (he looked like a different hitter last night) throw him in. Would be awesome if the Cubs could flip all of this flotsam for Hamels.
Why would the Pirates trade Cole inside their division for two fat guys?
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 08:59:16 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 08:56:38 AM
Although is there any reason to be concerned with Hamels start this year? I know he's gotten good results last few times out but he's walking guys at a higher rate than previous years (16 already in 5 starts) and he has surrendered 7 homers. His FIP is 5.56 vs. an ERA in the 3s. Just wondering if any more advanced metrics say if that's just early season bad luck/rough start or indicative of anything more troubling?
I think most of that comes from getting roughed up by Boston on Opening Day.
Alright. Make the trade then. Vogelbach, Lake, Hendricks, Almora, Castillo, Jason Dubois, Bobby Hill, and Roosevelt Brown for Cole Hamels. Phil Rogers says this is a +7 for the Phillies.
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 09:02:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 08:59:16 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 08:56:38 AM
Although is there any reason to be concerned with Hamels start this year? I know he's gotten good results last few times out but he's walking guys at a higher rate than previous years (16 already in 5 starts) and he has surrendered 7 homers. His FIP is 5.56 vs. an ERA in the 3s. Just wondering if any more advanced metrics say if that's just early season bad luck/rough start or indicative of anything more troubling?
I think most of that comes from getting roughed up by Boston on Opening Day.
Alright. Make the trade then. Vogelbach, Lake, Hendricks, Almora, Castillo, Jason Dubois, Bobby Hill, and Roosevelt Brown for Cole Hamels. Phil Rogers says this is a +7 for the Phillies.
Fine. But if you trade Juan Cruz again, you and i are done.
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 08:42:36 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 29, 2015, 08:36:00 AM
Now I really want to see Vogelbach run out to Left Field just to see Eli's head 'asplode.
My head wouldn't asplode because I'd be so excited to see what happened the first time they hit a ball anywhere near him.
I mostly just think this kind of message board stuff is amusing -- let's throw Vogelbach in left, Baez in center, Junior Lake in the bullpen, then trade Almora and Blake Parker for Cole Hamels.
This discussion was actually had on Twitter (https://twitter.com/TommyECook/status/592030048829321216) the other day, for further reading.
I like the person in that twitter thread who says "glad your a scout/gm for the Cubs." Because it's not like every trained scout to ever comment on Dan Vogelbach has said he probably isn't even good enough to stay at first.
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 08:45:03 AM
From what I've the Phillies have asked for a near major league ready starting pitching prospect in every single conversation about Hamels. Frankly that's the one thing the Cubs don't seem to have, and guys closest to fitting that description in the minors are hurt.
Is CJ Edwards hurt?
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 29, 2015, 09:32:30 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 08:45:03 AM
From what I've the Phillies have asked for a near major league ready starting pitching prospect in every single conversation about Hamels. Frankly that's the one thing the Cubs don't seem to have, and guys closest to fitting that description in the minors are hurt.
Is CJ Edwards hurt?
He was hurt, and now he's in the bullpen, and he's not going to be a major league starter. Even if the Cubs have intention of easing him back into a starter role at some point, I somehow doubt "guy most people think is going to be a reliever, who is currently relieving, but might try starting later in the year after they think he's fully recovered from an injury, oh yeah he got hurt last year" is gonna be that appealing in a Cole Hamels trade.
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 09:34:19 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 29, 2015, 09:32:30 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 08:45:03 AM
From what I've the Phillies have asked for a near major league ready starting pitching prospect in every single conversation about Hamels. Frankly that's the one thing the Cubs don't seem to have, and guys closest to fitting that description in the minors are hurt.
Is CJ Edwards hurt?
He was hurt, and now he's in the bullpen, and he's not going to be a major league starter.
They also asked for top Red Sox catching prospect Blake Swihart and Boston told them to get fucked in their own face. Which is the correct answer. Fuck Cole Hamels I'm sick of talking about him. I hope he turns into Oliver Perez. Literally.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 29, 2015, 09:39:19 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 09:34:19 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 29, 2015, 09:32:30 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 08:45:03 AM
From what I've the Phillies have asked for a near major league ready starting pitching prospect in every single conversation about Hamels. Frankly that's the one thing the Cubs don't seem to have, and guys closest to fitting that description in the minors are hurt.
Is CJ Edwards hurt?
He was hurt, and now he's in the bullpen, and he's not going to be a major league starter.
They also asked for top Red Sox catching prospect Blake Swihart and Boston told them to get fucked in their own face. Which is the correct answer. Fuck Cole Hamels I'm sick of talking about him. I hope he turns into Oliver Perez. Literally.
I'd be very surprised if the Cubs try to trade for Cole Hamels. I think their best option is to wait until the offseason to add a major free agent starter that will only cost them money and not prospects.
They are ahead of schedule on this prospects hitting Chicago thing, right? We didn't really expect this to happen until late in the year this year or early next year. I think the injuries to La Stella and Olt really accelerated things for Russell and Bryant, even though Bryant was likely to be here right about now, injuries notwithstanding.
In summary, I'm with Pex on Cole Hamels.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 29, 2015, 09:45:18 AM
I'd be very surprised if the Cubs try to trade for Cole Hammels. I think their best option is to wait until the offseason to add a major free agent starter that will only cost them money and not prospects.
The Cubs have nearly one billion prospects. It's OK to let go.
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 09:48:15 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 29, 2015, 09:45:18 AM
I'd be very surprised if the Cubs try to trade for Cole Hammels. I think their best option is to wait until the offseason to add a major free agent starter that will only cost them money and not prospects.
The Cubs have nearly one billion prospects. It's OK to let go.
If the asking price is a Swihart-level prospect or a starting pitcher not counted among your estimated one billion, it's not ok.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 29, 2015, 09:50:27 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 09:48:15 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 29, 2015, 09:45:18 AM
I'd be very surprised if the Cubs try to trade for Cole Hammels. I think their best option is to wait until the offseason to add a major free agent starter that will only cost them money and not prospects.
The Cubs have nearly one billion prospects. It's OK to let go.
If the asking price is a Swihart-level prospect or a starting pitcher not counted among your estimated one billion, it's not ok.
I wasn't speaking of Hamels, specifically. Just the general idea of waiting until the winter to improve the team so they can hoard every last possible prospect.
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 09:53:31 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 29, 2015, 09:50:27 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 09:48:15 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 29, 2015, 09:45:18 AM
I'd be very surprised if the Cubs try to trade for Cole Hammels. I think their best option is to wait until the offseason to add a major free agent starter that will only cost them money and not prospects.
The Cubs have nearly one billion prospects. It's OK to let go.
If the asking price is a Swihart-level prospect or a starting pitcher not counted among your estimated one billion, it's not ok.
I wasn't speaking of Hamels, specifically. Just the general idea of waiting until the winter to improve the team so they can hoard every last possible prospect.
Then why did you respond to a comment about Hamels without saying you weren't talking about Hamels?
Don't lie to me, man. Just tell me why.
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 09:53:31 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 29, 2015, 09:50:27 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 09:48:15 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 29, 2015, 09:45:18 AM
I'd be very surprised if the Cubs try to trade for Cole Hammels. I think their best option is to wait until the offseason to add a major free agent starter that will only cost them money and not prospects.
The Cubs have nearly one billion prospects. It's OK to let go.
If the asking price is a Swihart-level prospect or a starting pitcher not counted among your estimated one billion, it's not ok.
I wasn't speaking of Hamels, specifically. Just the general idea of waiting until the winter to improve the team so they can hoard every last possible prospect.
If the Phillies come to the Cubs and say they want Addison Russel or Kyle Schwarber, the Cubs should rightly and directly tell them to fuck their chili rings. Why give up Russell or Schwarber (I'm making assumptions here) when they can wait, keep them (because their more valuable than Cole Hamels I have to think) and have their pick of the litter in free agency next winter?
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 09:53:31 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 29, 2015, 09:50:27 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 09:48:15 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 29, 2015, 09:45:18 AM
I'd be very surprised if the Cubs try to trade for Cole Hammels. I think their best option is to wait until the offseason to add a major free agent starter that will only cost them money and not prospects.
The Cubs have nearly one billion prospects. It's OK to let go.
If the asking price is a Swihart-level prospect or a starting pitcher not counted among your estimated one billion, it's not ok.
I wasn't speaking of Hamels, specifically. Just the general idea of waiting until the winter to improve the team so they can hoard every last possible prospect.
Yeah but if not Hamels, who? If the Hamels asking price is too great and the Cubs won't match the price, I don't see who would be available. Maybe if the Reds put Cueto on the block. But if you aren't trading for Hamels I'd rather not trade for any other pitcher when they could get a top tier starter just waiting a few months.
I mean so yeah, in the abstract, trading a few prospects is okay, but if it ain't getting you Hamels what's the point?
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 10:00:50 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 09:53:31 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 29, 2015, 09:50:27 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 09:48:15 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 29, 2015, 09:45:18 AM
I'd be very surprised if the Cubs try to trade for Cole Hammels. I think their best option is to wait until the offseason to add a major free agent starter that will only cost them money and not prospects.
The Cubs have nearly one billion prospects. It's OK to let go.
If the asking price is a Swihart-level prospect or a starting pitcher not counted among your estimated one billion, it's not ok.
I wasn't speaking of Hamels, specifically. Just the general idea of waiting until the winter to improve the team so they can hoard every last possible prospect.
Yeah but if not Hamels, who? If the Hamels asking price is too great and the Cubs won't match the price, I don't see who would be available. Maybe if the Reds put Cueto on the block. But if you aren't trading for Hamels I'd rather not trade for any other pitcher when they could get a top tier starter just waiting a few months.
I mean so yeah, in the abstract, trading a few prospects is okay, but if it ain't getting you Hamels what's the point?
DPD, but let's concede the Cubs need another top flight starter.
The options appear to be Hamels by trade or Cueto/Price/Zimmerman by free agency.
If the Cubs actually can't meet the price for Hamels because they lack a top tier starting pitching prospect and Philly is unimpressed with Kyle Hendricks or whatever, then I don't see who else they could trade for. If the Reds even decide to move on from Cueto at the deadline would they trade him within the division? I don't see the Tigers or Nats ending up sellers. So I mean yeah, dump a mid-tier prospect for a rental like the Cards did with Masterson last year if you need a #3 type by the deadline because one of Wood/Hammel/Hendricks isn't working out, but might as well wait till the offseason to really get a top-notch guy.
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 10:18:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 10:00:50 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 09:53:31 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 29, 2015, 09:50:27 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 09:48:15 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 29, 2015, 09:45:18 AM
I'd be very surprised if the Cubs try to trade for Cole Hammels. I think their best option is to wait until the offseason to add a major free agent starter that will only cost them money and not prospects.
The Cubs have nearly one billion prospects. It's OK to let go.
If the asking price is a Swihart-level prospect or a starting pitcher not counted among your estimated one billion, it's not ok.
I wasn't speaking of Hamels, specifically. Just the general idea of waiting until the winter to improve the team so they can hoard every last possible prospect.
Yeah but if not Hamels, who? If the Hamels asking price is too great and the Cubs won't match the price, I don't see who would be available. Maybe if the Reds put Cueto on the block. But if you aren't trading for Hamels I'd rather not trade for any other pitcher when they could get a top tier starter just waiting a few months.
I mean so yeah, in the abstract, trading a few prospects is okay, but if it ain't getting you Hamels what's the point?
DPD, but let's concede the Cubs need another top flight starter.
The options appear to be Hamels by trade or Cueto/Price/Zimmerman by free agency.
If the Cubs actually can't meet the price for Hamels because they lack a top tier starting pitching prospect and Philly is unimpressed with Kyle Hendricks or whatever, then I don't see who else they could trade for. If the Reds even decide to move on from Cueto at the deadline would they trade him within the division? I don't see the Tigers or Nats ending up sellers. So I mean yeah, dump a mid-tier prospect for a rental like the Cards did with Masterson last year if you need a #3 type by the deadline because one of Wood/Hammel/Hendricks isn't working out, but might as well wait till the offseason to really get a top-notch guy.
But that assumes you can get a top-notch guy via free agency. It's not the cost that would worry me, it's the competition. With a trade, you know you get the guy. With free agency, there could be 8 suitors. For only 3 guys.
Personally, I think the Cubs have an edge in the trade market because of their system. In free agency, the field is leveled and they have no real advantage over the Yankees, Dodgers, Angels, Rangers etc.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 29, 2015, 09:59:40 AM
If the Phillies come to the Cubs and say they want Addison Russel or Kyle Schwarber, the Cubs should rightly and directly tell them to fuck their chili rings. Why give up Russell or Schwarber (I'm making assumptions here) when they can wait, keep them (because their more valuable than Cole Hamels I have to think) and have their pick of the litter in free agency next winter?
Well, the Cubs won't "have their pick of the litter" in the offseason, because other teams exist and will also try to sign good players. Part of the benefit of trading for someone is making sure you actually get that guy on your team.
And since it seems like we're primarily talking about Hamels, apparently, what's left on his deal is way below his current market value. Waiting around for free agency basically ensures you end up with an overinflated contract. A few of those are fine (and I'm glad they have Lester), I'm not entirely convinced the Cubs are going to sign pitchers to 9-figure contracts in consecutive offseasons.
In my view, the hypothetical trade of an elite prospect for Hamels depends on what we think the Cubs are this year. Right now, it's more up in the air. If they're still playing at a 90-plus-win pace in 6-8 weeks and the Cardinals look vulnerable in the division without Wainwright, it becomes more intriguing. I think most people's assumption is that this is just first year of many contending years for the Cubs, but I think you have to be careful in being too rigid about that -- the Nationals had the same mindset in shutting down Strasburg in 2012 and it's possible that was their best shot at a title.
At some point, the front office is going to trade a prospect for a real major-league player and it'll be fun to read everyone's nervous comments.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 29, 2015, 10:28:13 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 10:18:49 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 10:00:50 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 09:53:31 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 29, 2015, 09:50:27 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 09:48:15 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 29, 2015, 09:45:18 AM
I'd be very surprised if the Cubs try to trade for Cole Hammels. I think their best option is to wait until the offseason to add a major free agent starter that will only cost them money and not prospects.
The Cubs have nearly one billion prospects. It's OK to let go.
If the asking price is a Swihart-level prospect or a starting pitcher not counted among your estimated one billion, it's not ok.
I wasn't speaking of Hamels, specifically. Just the general idea of waiting until the winter to improve the team so they can hoard every last possible prospect.
Yeah but if not Hamels, who? If the Hamels asking price is too great and the Cubs won't match the price, I don't see who would be available. Maybe if the Reds put Cueto on the block. But if you aren't trading for Hamels I'd rather not trade for any other pitcher when they could get a top tier starter just waiting a few months.
I mean so yeah, in the abstract, trading a few prospects is okay, but if it ain't getting you Hamels what's the point?
DPD, but let's concede the Cubs need another top flight starter.
The options appear to be Hamels by trade or Cueto/Price/Zimmerman by free agency.
If the Cubs actually can't meet the price for Hamels because they lack a top tier starting pitching prospect and Philly is unimpressed with Kyle Hendricks or whatever, then I don't see who else they could trade for. If the Reds even decide to move on from Cueto at the deadline would they trade him within the division? I don't see the Tigers or Nats ending up sellers. So I mean yeah, dump a mid-tier prospect for a rental like the Cards did with Masterson last year if you need a #3 type by the deadline because one of Wood/Hammel/Hendricks isn't working out, but might as well wait till the offseason to really get a top-notch guy.
But that assumes you can get a top-notch guy via free agency. It's not the cost that would worry me, it's the competition. With a trade, you know you get the guy. With free agency, there could be 8 suitors. For only 3 guys.
Personally, I think the Cubs have an edge in the trade market because of their system. In free agency, the field is leveled and they have no real advantage over the Yankees, Dodgers, Angels, Rangers etc.
Do you really think pitchers are going to not want to come to Chicago now with an awesome manager, superhero prospects, and an incredibly competent front office and new surroundings at Wrigley with the NL Central being the NL Central and the Cubs finally taking advantage of it?
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 10:32:52 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 29, 2015, 09:59:40 AM
If the Phillies come to the Cubs and say they want Addison Russel or Kyle Schwarber, the Cubs should rightly and directly tell them to fuck their chili rings. Why give up Russell or Schwarber (I'm making assumptions here) when they can wait, keep them (because their more valuable than Cole Hamels I have to think) and have their pick of the litter in free agency next winter?
Well, the Cubs won't "have their pick of the litter" in the offseason, because other teams exist and will also try to sign good players. Part of the benefit of trading for someone is making sure you actually get that guy on your team.
And since it seems like we're primarily talking about Hamels, apparently, what's left on his deal is way below his current market value. Waiting around for free agency basically ensures you end up with an overinflated contract. A few of those are fine (and I'm glad they have Lester), I'm not entirely convinced the Cubs are going to sign pitchers to 9-figure contracts in consecutive offseasons.
In my view, the hypothetical trade of an elite prospect for Hamels depends on what we think the Cubs are this year. Right now, it's more up in the air. If they're still playing at a 90-plus-win pace in 6-8 weeks and the Cardinals look vulnerable in the division without Wainwright, it becomes more intriguing. I think most people's assumption is that this is just first year of many contending years for the Cubs, but I think you have to be careful in being too rigid about that -- the Nationals had the same mindset in shutting down Strasburg in 2012 and it's possible that was their best shot at a title.
At some point, the front office is going to trade a prospect for a real major-league player and it'll be fun to read everyone's nervous comments.
Yeah I agree with all of this, I just think "what if Philly says no" to any package that doesn't include, say, Addison Russell. I'd turn that deal down. So if they won't accept a pretty good, reasonable package like Hendricks/Edwards/Baez/Vogelbach/Gleyber or whatever, I'm saying I'd wait for free agency rather than offer up a similar package for someone
else unless say, Cueto comes available and the Reds are willing to move him in the division.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 29, 2015, 10:33:09 AM
Do you really think pitchers are going to not want to come to Chicago now with an awesome manager, superhero prospects, and an incredibly competent front office and new surroundings at Wrigley with the NL Central being the NL Central and the Cubs finally taking advantage of it?
Other teams have good players and smart front offices. Some of them play in way better weather. Some have more money. Some might be closer to family. It's myopic to think that players should find the Cubs far more desirable than any other number of teams.
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 10:37:58 AM
Yeah I agree with all of this, I just think "what if Philly says no" to any package that doesn't include, say, Addison Russell. I'd turn that deal down. So if they won't accept a pretty good, reasonable package like Hendricks/Edwards/Baez/Vogelbach/Gleyber or whatever, I'm saying I'd wait for free agency rather than offer up a similar package for someone else unless say, Cueto comes available and the Reds are willing to move him in the division.
I pretty much agree. I'd like to hang onto Russell. Schwarber would be a little bit tougher call in my mind.
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 10:39:13 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 10:37:58 AM
Yeah I agree with all of this, I just think "what if Philly says no" to any package that doesn't include, say, Addison Russell. I'd turn that deal down. So if they won't accept a pretty good, reasonable package like Hendricks/Edwards/Baez/Vogelbach/Gleyber or whatever, I'm saying I'd wait for free agency rather than offer up a similar package for someone else unless say, Cueto comes available and the Reds are willing to move him in the division.
I pretty much agree. I'd like to hang onto Russell. Schwarber would be a little bit tougher call in my mind.
God I'd have a hard time letting go of Schwarber. That kind of lefty power-hitting bat with that patience. Christ almighty. I'd sweat bullets. I'd get nervous shits. I'd mostly just be glad it's not my decision. I'm probably gonna get the nervous shits anyway.
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 10:37:58 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 10:32:52 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 29, 2015, 09:59:40 AM
If the Phillies come to the Cubs and say they want Addison Russel or Kyle Schwarber, the Cubs should rightly and directly tell them to fuck their chili rings. Why give up Russell or Schwarber (I'm making assumptions here) when they can wait, keep them (because their more valuable than Cole Hamels I have to think) and have their pick of the litter in free agency next winter?
Well, the Cubs won't "have their pick of the litter" in the offseason, because other teams exist and will also try to sign good players. Part of the benefit of trading for someone is making sure you actually get that guy on your team.
And since it seems like we're primarily talking about Hamels, apparently, what's left on his deal is way below his current market value. Waiting around for free agency basically ensures you end up with an overinflated contract. A few of those are fine (and I'm glad they have Lester), I'm not entirely convinced the Cubs are going to sign pitchers to 9-figure contracts in consecutive offseasons.
In my view, the hypothetical trade of an elite prospect for Hamels depends on what we think the Cubs are this year. Right now, it's more up in the air. If they're still playing at a 90-plus-win pace in 6-8 weeks and the Cardinals look vulnerable in the division without Wainwright, it becomes more intriguing. I think most people's assumption is that this is just first year of many contending years for the Cubs, but I think you have to be careful in being too rigid about that -- the Nationals had the same mindset in shutting down Strasburg in 2012 and it's possible that was their best shot at a title.
At some point, the front office is going to trade a prospect for a real major-league player and it'll be fun to read everyone's nervous comments.
Yeah I agree with all of this, I just think "what if Philly says no" to any package that doesn't include, say, Addison Russell. I'd turn that deal down. So if they won't accept a pretty good, reasonable package like Hendricks/Edwards/Baez/Vogelbach/Gleyber or whatever, I'm saying I'd wait for free agency rather than offer up a similar package for someone else unless say, Cueto comes available and the Reds are willing to move him in the division.
Gleyber? You're trading the centerfielder of the future??
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 10:39:13 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 10:37:58 AM
Yeah I agree with all of this, I just think "what if Philly says no" to any package that doesn't include, say, Addison Russell. I'd turn that deal down. So if they won't accept a pretty good, reasonable package like Hendricks/Edwards/Baez/Vogelbach/Gleyber or whatever, I'm saying I'd wait for free agency rather than offer up a similar package for someone else unless say, Cueto comes available and the Reds are willing to move him in the division.
I pretty much agree. I'd like to hang onto Russell. Schwarber would be a little bit tougher call in my mind.
You and your whore mouth.
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 10:40:42 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 10:39:13 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 10:37:58 AM
Yeah I agree with all of this, I just think "what if Philly says no" to any package that doesn't include, say, Addison Russell. I'd turn that deal down. So if they won't accept a pretty good, reasonable package like Hendricks/Edwards/Baez/Vogelbach/Gleyber or whatever, I'm saying I'd wait for free agency rather than offer up a similar package for someone else unless say, Cueto comes available and the Reds are willing to move him in the division.
I pretty much agree. I'd like to hang onto Russell. Schwarber would be a little bit tougher call in my mind.
God I'd have a hard time letting go of Schwarber. That kind of lefty power-hitting bat with that patience. Christ almighty. I'd sweat bullets. I'd get nervous shits. I'd mostly just be glad it's not my decision. I'm probably gonna get the nervous shits anyway.
You can trade anyone currently in the minors except Schwarber.
I'd sure rather they didn't trade Jen-Ho or Underwood as well, but the rest can all go if it truly comes to it.
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 09:02:10 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 08:59:16 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 08:56:38 AM
Although is there any reason to be concerned with Hamels start this year? I know he's gotten good results last few times out but he's walking guys at a higher rate than previous years (16 already in 5 starts) and he has surrendered 7 homers. His FIP is 5.56 vs. an ERA in the 3s. Just wondering if any more advanced metrics say if that's just early season bad luck/rough start or indicative of anything more troubling?
I think most of that comes from getting roughed up by Boston on Opening Day.
Alright. Make the trade then. Vogelbach, Lake, Hendricks, Almora, Castillo, Jason Dubois, Bobby Hill, and Roosevelt Brown for Cole Hamels. Phil Rogers says this is a +7 for the Phillies.
Couldn't help but notice you're keeping David Ross around to catch for Hamels. Embrace it.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2015, 10:43:05 AM
You can trade anyone currently in the minors except Schwarber.
What if he doesn't have a position? Maybe McLeod is just publicly saying that he'll stick at catcher to hold up his trade value.
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 11:00:06 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2015, 10:43:05 AM
You can trade anyone currently in the minors except Schwarber.
What if he doesn't have a position? Maybe McLeod is just publicly saying that he'll stick at catcher to hold up his trade value.
If he can't catch, we're still under the assumption he can play LF, right?
Unless Baez becomes viable again, forcing Bryant to the OF, LF should still be open for Schwarber.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2015, 11:24:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 11:00:06 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2015, 10:43:05 AM
You can trade anyone currently in the minors except Schwarber.
What if he doesn't have a position? Maybe McLeod is just publicly saying that he'll stick at catcher to hold up his trade value.
If he can't catch, we're still under the assumption he can play LF, right?
Unless Baez becomes viable again, forcing Bryant to the OF, LF should still be open for Schwarber.
How will Baez coming up at Center Field put Bryant in the outfield?
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2015, 11:24:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 11:00:06 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2015, 10:43:05 AM
You can trade anyone currently in the minors except Schwarber.
What if he doesn't have a position? Maybe McLeod is just publicly saying that he'll stick at catcher to hold up his trade value.
If he can't catch, we're still under the assumption he can play LF, right?
Unless Baez becomes viable again, forcing Bryant to the OF, LF should still be open for Schwarber.
I think the thing that will force Bryant to the OF is the way he plays 3B.
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 11:35:29 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2015, 11:24:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 11:00:06 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2015, 10:43:05 AM
You can trade anyone currently in the minors except Schwarber.
What if he doesn't have a position? Maybe McLeod is just publicly saying that he'll stick at catcher to hold up his trade value.
If he can't catch, we're still under the assumption he can play LF, right?
Unless Baez becomes viable again, forcing Bryant to the OF, LF should still be open for Schwarber.
I think the thing that will force Bryant to the OF is the way he plays 3B.
I am utterly fucking terrified he's gonna get Rizzo killed with one of those throws to the wrong side of the bag.
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 12:00:49 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 11:35:29 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2015, 11:24:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 11:00:06 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2015, 10:43:05 AM
You can trade anyone currently in the minors except Schwarber.
What if he doesn't have a position? Maybe McLeod is just publicly saying that he'll stick at catcher to hold up his trade value.
If he can't catch, we're still under the assumption he can play LF, right?
Unless Baez becomes viable again, forcing Bryant to the OF, LF should still be open for Schwarber.
I think the thing that will force Bryant to the OF is the way he plays 3B.
I am utterly fucking terrified he's gonna get Rizzo killed with one of those throws to the wrong side of the bag.
Well, the good news is, if that happens we've got Vogelbach!
Catching up but I enjoyed the part where Huard invoked fat outfielders from 30 years ago as his examples.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 29, 2015, 08:06:25 AM
If his bat is this advanced and can hold up at the MLB level, I'm all for the Cubs inventing ways to get him in the lineup in the future. There is also the chance the Cubs get him on a dietary and weight program to increase his mobility and range, but I think they would have tried that by now...if they haven't already.
They've tried that. Let's just say it's time for Plan B.
Quote from: Slaky on April 29, 2015, 12:08:27 PM
Catching up but I enjoyed the part where Huard invoked fat outfielders from 30 years ago as his examples.
That was amusing. Luzinski was worth -20.9 dWAR in his career vs. 35.3 oWAR. Overall the defensive shortcomings meant he was worth an average of about 1.7 WAR a year, which is a barely average starter, I think. Despite his AA numbers I don't think Vogelbach has Luzinski's raw power or will manage a career OPS+ of 130. So assuming he's even as "good" defensively as Luzinski was (which I highly doubt), he'd have to hit like fucking Barry Bonds to make it a net gain for the Cubs.
Just move on.
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 12:00:49 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 11:35:29 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2015, 11:24:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 11:00:06 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2015, 10:43:05 AM
You can trade anyone currently in the minors except Schwarber.
What if he doesn't have a position? Maybe McLeod is just publicly saying that he'll stick at catcher to hold up his trade value.
If he can't catch, we're still under the assumption he can play LF, right?
Unless Baez becomes viable again, forcing Bryant to the OF, LF should still be open for Schwarber.
I think the thing that will force Bryant to the OF is the way he plays 3B.
I am utterly fucking terrified he's gonna get Rizzo killed with one of those throws to the wrong side of the bag.
His throws are an issue (he takes forever to unload the ball), but he's also looked awkward on quite a few plays, even if he ended up making them.
The other side of the coin is that he could probably be a defensive asset in left, rather than just "hopefully not a disaster" at 3B.
Jeremy Null, whom I've never heard of before this day, has pitched 22.2 IP with 23 K and 0 BB. Take that, Jason Hammel.
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 12:45:29 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 12:00:49 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 11:35:29 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2015, 11:24:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 11:00:06 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2015, 10:43:05 AM
You can trade anyone currently in the minors except Schwarber.
What if he doesn't have a position? Maybe McLeod is just publicly saying that he'll stick at catcher to hold up his trade value.
If he can't catch, we're still under the assumption he can play LF, right?
Unless Baez becomes viable again, forcing Bryant to the OF, LF should still be open for Schwarber.
I think the thing that will force Bryant to the OF is the way he plays 3B.
I am utterly fucking terrified he's gonna get Rizzo killed with one of those throws to the wrong side of the bag.
His throws are an issue (he takes forever to unload the ball), but he's also looked awkward on quite a few plays, even if he ended up making them.
The other side of the coin is that he could probably be a defensive asset in left, rather than just "hopefully not a disaster" at 3B.
Left field? Left fielders hit home runs, Eli.
Quote from: Slaky on April 29, 2015, 12:08:27 PM
Catching up but I enjoyed the part where Huard invoked fat outfielders from 30 years ago as his examples.
Luzinski was a fat ass, but he was still only one guy. Pretty sure he was the only one I invoked.
But good point--the game has changed so much in that time you're dead meat if you don't have a smooth-fielding gazelle in left fucking field.
Quote from: PANK! on April 29, 2015, 01:34:30 PM
Quote from: Slaky on April 29, 2015, 12:08:27 PM
Catching up but I enjoyed the part where Huard invoked fat outfielders from 30 years ago as his examples.
Luzinski was a fat ass, but he was still only one guy. Pretty sure he was the only one I invoked.
But good point--the game has changed so much in that time you're dead meat if you don't have a smooth-fielding gazelle in left fucking field.
Yep. That's exactly what we're saying, not that a guy with Vogelbach's limitations would be such a defensive liability that it would be unrealistic to expect his offensive production to be high enough to make him valuable. Just that any team without a gold glove caliber left fielder is fucked.
You also mentioned John Kruk, so that's two fatties. Liar.
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 01:39:50 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 29, 2015, 01:34:30 PM
Quote from: Slaky on April 29, 2015, 12:08:27 PM
Catching up but I enjoyed the part where Huard invoked fat outfielders from 30 years ago as his examples.
Luzinski was a fat ass, but he was still only one guy. Pretty sure he was the only one I invoked.
But good point--the game has changed so much in that time you're dead meat if you don't have a smooth-fielding gazelle in left fucking field.
Yep. That's exactly what we're saying, not that a guy with Vogelbach's limitations would be such a defensive liability that it would be unrealistic to expect his offensive production to be high enough to make him valuable. Just that any team without a gold glove caliber left fielder is fucked.
Just ask the Cardinals!
(http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/matt-holliday-blows-the-game.jpg)
Also, for what it's worth, Luzinski was listed as 6'1, 220, and Vogelbach is listed at 6'0, 250 AFTER he supposedly lost weight this offseason. So even that fatty wasn't as fat as the slimmer version of Vogelbach. And Kruk's playing weight is listed at 170 LBs. Even assuming all three of them are understating things, Vogelbach is considerably tubbier.
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 01:47:51 PM
Also, for what it's worth, Luzinski was listed as 6'1, 220, and Vogelbach is listed at 6'0, 250 AFTER he supposedly lost weight this offseason. So even that fatty wasn't as fat as the slimmer version of Vogelbach
Carlos Lee was 6'2, 265.
Played 1770 games in his career at LF.
-11.4 career dWAR.
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 01:39:50 PM
Quote from: PANK! on April 29, 2015, 01:34:30 PM
Quote from: Slaky on April 29, 2015, 12:08:27 PM
Catching up but I enjoyed the part where Huard invoked fat outfielders from 30 years ago as his examples.
Luzinski was a fat ass, but he was still only one guy. Pretty sure he was the only one I invoked.
But good point--the game has changed so much in that time you're dead meat if you don't have a smooth-fielding gazelle in left fucking field.
Yep. That's exactly what we're saying, not that a guy with Vogelbach's limitations would be such a defensive liability that it would be unrealistic to expect his offensive production to be high enough to make him valuable. Just that any team without a gold glove caliber left fielder is fucked.
You also mentioned John Kruk, so that's two fatties. Liar.
Tru
Vogelbach went from SKO
(http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/attachments/baseball/80481d1333551954-daniel-vogelbach-superfractor-pic-untitled687.jpg)
to Schwarber
(http://www.oursportscentral.com/graphics/pictures/lg20150427-6437.jpg)
Quote from: Yeti on April 29, 2015, 02:04:59 PM
Vogelbach went from SKO
(http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/attachments/baseball/80481d1333551954-daniel-vogelbach-superfractor-pic-untitled687.jpg)
to Schwarber
(http://www.oursportscentral.com/graphics/pictures/lg20150427-6437.jpg)
Look who is throwing chubby stones while living in a house made of butter and medium chili.
Quote from: Yeti on April 29, 2015, 02:04:59 PM
Vogelbach went from SKO
(http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/attachments/baseball/80481d1333551954-daniel-vogelbach-superfractor-pic-untitled687.jpg)
to Schwarber
(http://www.oursportscentral.com/graphics/pictures/lg20150427-6437.jpg)
Well, if Fat Vogelbach could play 3B, surely skinny Vogelbach can.
Move him back to 3B, Bryant to LF, Schwarber to Catcher.
BOOM.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2015, 02:16:20 PM
Quote from: Yeti on April 29, 2015, 02:04:59 PM
Vogelbach went from SKO
(http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/attachments/baseball/80481d1333551954-daniel-vogelbach-superfractor-pic-untitled687.jpg)
to Schwarber
(http://www.oursportscentral.com/graphics/pictures/lg20150427-6437.jpg)
Well, if Fat Vogelbach could play 3B, surely skinny Vogelbach can.
Move him back to 3B, Bryant to LF, Schwarber to Catcher.
BOOM.
I like how in the top Vogelbach pic it says third base, but he's wearing a firstbaseman's mitt.
Is there video of high school Vogelbach diving after balls at 3rd base? I'd like to see this.
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 02:15:17 PM
Quote from: Yeti on April 29, 2015, 02:04:59 PM
Vogelbach went from SKO
(http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/attachments/baseball/80481d1333551954-daniel-vogelbach-superfractor-pic-untitled687.jpg)
to Schwarber
(http://www.oursportscentral.com/graphics/pictures/lg20150427-6437.jpg)
Look who is throwing chubby stones while living in a house made of butter and medium chili.
They're the best stones to throw
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 02:30:30 PM
Is there video of high school Vogelbach diving after balls at 3rd base? I'd like to see this.
I haven't found one yet, but the "60" videos have some nice fat guy sprinting... and the "1B" videos are fielding (OMG, that throwing motion)
http://www.perfectgame.org/Players/PlayerProfile.aspx?ID=178635
Quote from: Yeti on April 29, 2015, 02:39:33 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 02:30:30 PM
Is there video of high school Vogelbach diving after balls at 3rd base? I'd like to see this.
I haven't found one yet, but the "60" videos have some nice fat guy sprinting... and the "1B" videos are fielding (OMG, that throwing motion)
http://www.perfectgame.org/Players/PlayerProfile.aspx?ID=178635
5'11, 280.
That's amazing.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2015, 02:46:36 PM
Quote from: Yeti on April 29, 2015, 02:39:33 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 02:30:30 PM
Is there video of high school Vogelbach diving after balls at 3rd base? I'd like to see this.
I haven't found one yet, but the "60" videos have some nice fat guy sprinting... and the "1B" videos are fielding (OMG, that throwing motion)
http://www.perfectgame.org/Players/PlayerProfile.aspx?ID=178635
5'11, 280.
That's amazing.
He looked like he was stoking in the BBQ pork chop sandwiches when he was in Kane County.
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 11:35:29 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2015, 11:24:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 11:00:06 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2015, 10:43:05 AM
You can trade anyone currently in the minors except Schwarber.
What if he doesn't have a position? Maybe McLeod is just publicly saying that he'll stick at catcher to hold up his trade value.
If he can't catch, we're still under the assumption he can play LF, right?
Unless Baez becomes viable again, forcing Bryant to the OF, LF should still be open for Schwarber.
I think the thing that will force Bryant to the OF is the way he plays 3B.
So Baez has no shot at getting back in the big league lineup this year?
Quote from: Tony on April 29, 2015, 04:19:33 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 11:35:29 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2015, 11:24:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 11:00:06 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2015, 10:43:05 AM
You can trade anyone currently in the minors except Schwarber.
What if he doesn't have a position? Maybe McLeod is just publicly saying that he'll stick at catcher to hold up his trade value.
If he can't catch, we're still under the assumption he can play LF, right?
Unless Baez becomes viable again, forcing Bryant to the OF, LF should still be open for Schwarber.
I think the thing that will force Bryant to the OF is the way he plays 3B.
So Baez has no shot at getting back in the big league lineup this year?
Of course he has a shot. He's got to start hitting though. Injuries and shit happen.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 29, 2015, 04:47:12 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 29, 2015, 04:19:33 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 11:35:29 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2015, 11:24:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 11:00:06 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2015, 10:43:05 AM
You can trade anyone currently in the minors except Schwarber.
What if he doesn't have a position? Maybe McLeod is just publicly saying that he'll stick at catcher to hold up his trade value.
If he can't catch, we're still under the assumption he can play LF, right?
Unless Baez becomes viable again, forcing Bryant to the OF, LF should still be open for Schwarber.
I think the thing that will force Bryant to the OF is the way he plays 3B.
So Baez has no shot at getting back in the big league lineup this year?
Of course he has a shot. He's got to start hitting though. Injuries and shit happen.
I misread Eli's post as the
only thing that would force Bryant to the OF is his play at 3rd. I should learn to read.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2015, 02:46:36 PM
Quote from: Yeti on April 29, 2015, 02:39:33 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 02:30:30 PM
Is there video of high school Vogelbach diving after balls at 3rd base? I'd like to see this.
I haven't found one yet, but the "60" videos have some nice fat guy sprinting... and the "1B" videos are fielding (OMG, that throwing motion)
http://www.perfectgame.org/Players/PlayerProfile.aspx?ID=178635
5'11, 280.
That's amazing.
He's gonna end up being literally the best 16 inch softball player of all time.
Quote from: Slaky on April 29, 2015, 08:47:53 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2015, 02:46:36 PM
Quote from: Yeti on April 29, 2015, 02:39:33 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2015, 02:30:30 PM
Is there video of high school Vogelbach diving after balls at 3rd base? I'd like to see this.
I haven't found one yet, but the "60" videos have some nice fat guy sprinting... and the "1B" videos are fielding (OMG, that throwing motion)
http://www.perfectgame.org/Players/PlayerProfile.aspx?ID=178635
5'11, 280.
That's amazing.
He's gonna end up being literally the best 16 inch softball player of all time.
If only Royko were still alive to validate it.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 29, 2015, 04:47:12 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 29, 2015, 04:19:33 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 11:35:29 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2015, 11:24:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 11:00:06 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2015, 10:43:05 AM
You can trade anyone currently in the minors except Schwarber.
What if he doesn't have a position? Maybe McLeod is just publicly saying that he'll stick at catcher to hold up his trade value.
If he can't catch, we're still under the assumption he can play LF, right?
Unless Baez becomes viable again, forcing Bryant to the OF, LF should still be open for Schwarber.
I think the thing that will force Bryant to the OF is the way he plays 3B.
So Baez has no shot at getting back in the big league lineup this year?
Of course he has a shot. He's got to start hitting though. Injuries and shit happen.
I'm not even sure he's going to hit his way out of extended spring training at this point.
3-14 with 6 Ks so far.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 30, 2015, 02:15:58 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 29, 2015, 04:47:12 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 29, 2015, 04:19:33 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 11:35:29 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2015, 11:24:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 11:00:06 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2015, 10:43:05 AM
You can trade anyone currently in the minors except Schwarber.
What if he doesn't have a position? Maybe McLeod is just publicly saying that he'll stick at catcher to hold up his trade value.
If he can't catch, we're still under the assumption he can play LF, right?
Unless Baez becomes viable again, forcing Bryant to the OF, LF should still be open for Schwarber.
I think the thing that will force Bryant to the OF is the way he plays 3B.
So Baez has no shot at getting back in the big league lineup this year?
Of course he has a shot. He's got to start hitting though. Injuries and shit happen.
I'm not even sure he's going to hit his way out of extended spring training at this point.
3-14 with 6 Ks so far.
Apparently that's good enough to be hitting 3rd in Iowa's lineup today.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on April 30, 2015, 02:38:54 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 30, 2015, 02:15:58 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 29, 2015, 04:47:12 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 29, 2015, 04:19:33 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 11:35:29 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2015, 11:24:13 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2015, 11:00:06 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2015, 10:43:05 AM
You can trade anyone currently in the minors except Schwarber.
What if he doesn't have a position? Maybe McLeod is just publicly saying that he'll stick at catcher to hold up his trade value.
If he can't catch, we're still under the assumption he can play LF, right?
Unless Baez becomes viable again, forcing Bryant to the OF, LF should still be open for Schwarber.
I think the thing that will force Bryant to the OF is the way he plays 3B.
So Baez has no shot at getting back in the big league lineup this year?
Of course he has a shot. He's got to start hitting though. Injuries and shit happen.
I'm not even sure he's going to hit his way out of extended spring training at this point.
3-14 with 6 Ks so far.
Apparently that's good enough to be hitting 3rd in Iowa's lineup today.
This entire organization is one giant bullshit tolerating machine.
Can I talk about my Gleyboner?
Hitting .352 at South Bend as an 18 year old.
http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20150430&content_id=121519502&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb
Quote from: Slaky on May 01, 2015, 08:50:49 AM
Can I talk about my Gleyboner?
Hitting .352 at South Bend as an 18 year old.
http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20150430&content_id=121519502&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb
Can't wait until Geighbar has his own thread. Oh, the jokes we'll type.
Quote from: Slaky on May 01, 2015, 08:50:49 AM
Can I talk about my Gleyboner?
Hitting .352 at South Bend as an 18 year old.
http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20150430&content_id=121519502&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb
First time I've seen video of him...we're seeing a budding bat flipper, kids.
Quote from: Slaky on May 01, 2015, 08:50:49 AM
Hitting .352 at South Bend as an 18 year old.
Lots of Notre Dame players do that every year, so who really cares.
DPD, but Pen's dream of Gleybar playing center seems a little unlikely based on these quotes (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20150430&content_id=121519502&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb):
QuoteBut one tool that is playing up so far in the lower levels is his speed. MLB.com gave Torres an average 50 grade for his run tool this offseason, but he's already swiped seven bags in 20 games, including one Thursday, putting him in a tie for fifth-most in the Midwest League.
...
"He's not a real fast guy," Gonzalez said. "If you look at his BMI, he's never going to be real speedy."
Quote from: Eli on May 01, 2015, 10:13:15 AM
DPD, but Pen's dream of Gleybar playing center seems a little unlikely based on these quotes (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20150430&content_id=121519502&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb):
QuoteBut one tool that is playing up so far in the lower levels is his speed. MLB.com gave Torres an average 50 grade for his run tool this offseason, but he's already swiped seven bags in 20 games, including one Thursday, putting him in a tie for fifth-most in the Midwest League.
...
"He's not a real fast guy," Gonzalez said. "If you look at his BMI, he's never going to be real speedy."
Stick him in CF just to prove Tonk wrong.
Quote from: Eli on May 01, 2015, 10:13:15 AM
DPD, but Pen's dream of Gleybar playing center seems a little unlikely based on these quotes (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20150430&content_id=121519502&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb):
QuoteBut one tool that is playing up so far in the lower levels is his speed. MLB.com gave Torres an average 50 grade for his run tool this offseason, but he's already swiped seven bags in 20 games, including one Thursday, putting him in a tie for fifth-most in the Midwest League.
...
"He's not a real fast guy," Gonzalez said. "If you look at his BMI, he's never going to be real speedy."
Yeah, that's the first time I've seen video of him.
I'm going to have to go back to moving Castro to CF while Gleyber takes over SS.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 01, 2015, 10:24:43 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 01, 2015, 10:13:15 AM
DPD, but Pen's dream of Gleybar playing center seems a little unlikely based on these quotes (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20150430&content_id=121519502&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb):
QuoteBut one tool that is playing up so far in the lower levels is his speed. MLB.com gave Torres an average 50 grade for his run tool this offseason, but he's already swiped seven bags in 20 games, including one Thursday, putting him in a tie for fifth-most in the Midwest League.
...
"He's not a real fast guy," Gonzalez said. "If you look at his BMI, he's never going to be real speedy."
Yeah, that's the first time I've seen video of him.
I'm going to have to go back to moving Castro to CF while Gleyber takes over SS.
I know you're kidding, but things will sort themselves out. If you want to do some ridiculous future forecasting, Castro's contract expires after 2019 and Gleyber will have
just turned 23 then (born December of 1996). He's still four levels away from the bigs and probably won't progress in a perfectly linear fashion. He's still really far away.
Or, bold prediction: he'll be the first big-time prospect that this regime trades away for major-league-ready help.
Quote from: Eli on May 01, 2015, 10:41:32 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 01, 2015, 10:24:43 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 01, 2015, 10:13:15 AM
DPD, but Pen's dream of Gleybar playing center seems a little unlikely based on these quotes (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20150430&content_id=121519502&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb):
QuoteBut one tool that is playing up so far in the lower levels is his speed. MLB.com gave Torres an average 50 grade for his run tool this offseason, but he's already swiped seven bags in 20 games, including one Thursday, putting him in a tie for fifth-most in the Midwest League.
...
"He's not a real fast guy," Gonzalez said. "If you look at his BMI, he's never going to be real speedy."
Yeah, that's the first time I've seen video of him.
I'm going to have to go back to moving Castro to CF while Gleyber takes over SS.
I know you're kidding, but things will sort themselves out. If you want to do some ridiculous future forecasting, Castro's contract expires after 2019 and Gleyber will have just turned 23 then (born December of 1996). He's still four levels away from the bigs and probably won't progress in a perfectly linear fashion. He's still really far away.
Or, bold prediction: he'll be the first big-time prospect that this regime trades away for major-league-ready help.
He may be the first prospect that I really like that they've traded, that's for sure.
Vogelbach has struck out 10 times and walked 14 times in April. Holy shit. That's incredible.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 04, 2015, 02:34:39 PM
Vogelbach has struck out 10 times and walked 14 times in April. Holy shit. That's incredible.
He's 244/191 for his career, one of the other ways he resembles Bob Horner.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 04, 2015, 02:34:39 PM
Vogelbach has struck out 10 times and walked 14 times in April. Holy shit. That's incredible.
Every time he steps to the plate he's 1.4 times more likely to be 100% of the way to first base via a walk than 0% of the way to first base via a strikeout. That's staggering.
Quote from: Eli on May 04, 2015, 02:41:53 PM
Every time he steps to the plate he's going to eat everything on it. And maybe the plate, too.1.4 times more likely to be 100% of the way to first base via a walk than 0% of the way to first base via a strikeout. That's staggering.
Meanwhile, in Iowa...
Mendy: 47 AB, 6 BB, 12 K, 3 HR .277/.358/.596
Baez: 21 AB, 1BB, 6K, 1 HR .286/.348/.524
Small samples, but encouraging ones.
Gleyber Torres would easily be a top 10 pick if eligible for this year's draft.
Any chance this guy makes the bigs before he turns 21?
Currently 18, playing in A ball, with a very real chance to be in A+ in the coming months.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/825/6995704909.jpg)
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:08:52 AM
Gleyber Torres would easily be a top 10 pick if eligible for this year's draft.
Any chance this guy makes the bigs before he turns 21?
I realize this will sound weird coming from me, but what's the rush? He's got a BABIP of like .450 right now and there are still three levels between him and the majors. He's probably going to come back down to Earth at some point. I think his timeline will work itself out just fine.
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 11:13:48 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:08:52 AM
Gleyber Torres would easily be a top 10 pick if eligible for this year's draft.
Any chance this guy makes the bigs before he turns 21?
I realize this will sound weird coming from me, but what's the rush? He's got a BABIP of like .450 right now and there are still three levels between him and the majors. He's probably going to come back down to Earth at some point. I think his timeline will work itself out just fine.
Because I want more good players on the Cubs?
I think it's okay to be excited without that meaning "let's just rush him before he's ready."
This dude is an awesome prospect - it's fun to speculate about how great he can be.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:18:42 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 11:13:48 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:08:52 AM
Gleyber Torres would easily be a top 10 pick if eligible for this year's draft.
Any chance this guy makes the bigs before he turns 21?
I realize this will sound weird coming from me, but what's the rush? He's got a BABIP of like .450 right now and there are still three levels between him and the majors. He's probably going to come back down to Earth at some point. I think his timeline will work itself out just fine.
Because I want more good players on the Cubs?
I think it's okay to be excited without that meaning "let's just rush him before he's ready."
This dude is an awesome prospect - it's fun to speculate about how great he can be.
Are we talking Bryant/Schwarber levels of awesome? Serious question.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:18:42 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 11:13:48 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:08:52 AM
Gleyber Torres would easily be a top 10 pick if eligible for this year's draft.
Any chance this guy makes the bigs before he turns 21?
I realize this will sound weird coming from me, but what's the rush? He's got a BABIP of like .450 right now and there are still three levels between him and the majors. He's probably going to come back down to Earth at some point. I think his timeline will work itself out just fine.
Because I want more good players on the Cubs?
I think it's okay to be excited without that meaning "let's just rush him before he's ready."
This dude is an awesome prospect - it's fun to speculate about how great he can be.
Whatever happened to the other main dude from that signing period, Eloy Jimenez? I assume he hasn't been as impressive as Gleyber but if they got two studs out of that sneak attack it would be gravy.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:18:42 AM
Because I want more good players on the Cubs?
I think it's okay to be excited without that meaning "let's just rush him before he's ready."
This dude is an awesome prospect - it's fun to speculate about how great he can be.
But you're talking about him being in the majors when he's 21, when he probably won't be very good. Russell is 21 and obviously isn't a world beater yet. And -- I know you're not going to like hearing this -- the scouting profile on Torres doesn't give him nearly the same upside and impact as Russell.
Quote from: R-V on May 05, 2015, 11:23:13 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:18:42 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 11:13:48 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:08:52 AM
Gleyber Torres would easily be a top 10 pick if eligible for this year's draft.
Any chance this guy makes the bigs before he turns 21?
I realize this will sound weird coming from me, but what's the rush? He's got a BABIP of like .450 right now and there are still three levels between him and the majors. He's probably going to come back down to Earth at some point. I think his timeline will work itself out just fine.
Because I want more good players on the Cubs?
I think it's okay to be excited without that meaning "let's just rush him before he's ready."
This dude is an awesome prospect - it's fun to speculate about how great he can be.
Whatever happened to the other main dude from that signing period, Eloy Jimenez? I assume he hasn't been as impressive as Gleyber but if they got two studs out of that sneak attack it would be gravy.
He's a little behind, but shouldn't be far.
Expecting him to play in Eugene in short-season, come June.
Carson Sands there too. Some other good prospects.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 05, 2015, 11:22:45 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:18:42 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 11:13:48 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:08:52 AM
Gleyber Torres would easily be a top 10 pick if eligible for this year's draft.
Any chance this guy makes the bigs before he turns 21?
I realize this will sound weird coming from me, but what's the rush? He's got a BABIP of like .450 right now and there are still three levels between him and the majors. He's probably going to come back down to Earth at some point. I think his timeline will work itself out just fine.
Because I want more good players on the Cubs?
I think it's okay to be excited without that meaning "let's just rush him before he's ready."
This dude is an awesome prospect - it's fun to speculate about how great he can be.
Are we talking Bryant/Schwarber levels of awesome? Serious question.
No.
But those guys, particularly Bryant - that's (potentially) generational talent.
Pretty unfair bar to set for anyone.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:24:57 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 05, 2015, 11:22:45 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:18:42 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 11:13:48 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:08:52 AM
Gleyber Torres would easily be a top 10 pick if eligible for this year's draft.
Any chance this guy makes the bigs before he turns 21?
I realize this will sound weird coming from me, but what's the rush? He's got a BABIP of like .450 right now and there are still three levels between him and the majors. He's probably going to come back down to Earth at some point. I think his timeline will work itself out just fine.
Because I want more good players on the Cubs?
I think it's okay to be excited without that meaning "let's just rush him before he's ready."
This dude is an awesome prospect - it's fun to speculate about how great he can be.
Are we talking Bryant/Schwarber levels of awesome? Serious question.
No.
But those guys, particularly Bryant - that's (potentially) generational talent.
Pretty unfair bar to set for anyone.
That's why I was asking....for a gage.
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 11:23:45 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:18:42 AM
Because I want more good players on the Cubs?
I think it's okay to be excited without that meaning "let's just rush him before he's ready."
This dude is an awesome prospect - it's fun to speculate about how great he can be.
But you're talking about him being in the majors when he's 21, when he probably won't be very good. Russell is 21 and obviously isn't a world beater yet. And -- I know you're not going to like hearing this -- the scouting profile on Torres doesn't give him nearly the same upside and impact as Russell.
Does Gleyber profile as like, the next Starlin? Because I would find it amusing to watch Starlin replace Starlin and have Chuck praise New Starlin for being so much better than Old Starlin.
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2015, 11:32:24 AM
Does Gleyber profile as like, the next Starlin? Because I would find it amusing to watch Starlin replace Starlin and have Chuck praise New Starlin for being so much better than Old Starlin.
Maybe. They're both guys who don't have a ton of power or speed but can hit. Sounds like Torres may be more polished overall but doesn't have the same upside as a pure hitter that Starlin had.
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2015, 11:32:24 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 11:23:45 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:18:42 AM
Because I want more good players on the Cubs?
I think it's okay to be excited without that meaning "let's just rush him before he's ready."
This dude is an awesome prospect - it's fun to speculate about how great he can be.
But you're talking about him being in the majors when he's 21, when he probably won't be very good. Russell is 21 and obviously isn't a world beater yet. And -- I know you're not going to like hearing this -- the scouting profile on Torres doesn't give him nearly the same upside and impact as Russell.
Does Gleyber profile as like, the next Starlin? Because I would find it amusing to watch Starlin replace Starlin and have Chuck praise New Starlin for being so much better than Old Starlin.
The comps are few are far between. I saw one comparing him to Freddy Sanchez, but that was 2 years ago.
And obviously fuck that.
Most reports are that he's athletic enough to stay at SS.
Wouldn't be surprising if he was a top 5 organizational prospect by the time the next lists roll around.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:38:18 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2015, 11:32:24 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 11:23:45 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:18:42 AM
Because I want more good players on the Cubs?
I think it's okay to be excited without that meaning "let's just rush him before he's ready."
This dude is an awesome prospect - it's fun to speculate about how great he can be.
But you're talking about him being in the majors when he's 21, when he probably won't be very good. Russell is 21 and obviously isn't a world beater yet. And -- I know you're not going to like hearing this -- the scouting profile on Torres doesn't give him nearly the same upside and impact as Russell.
Does Gleyber profile as like, the next Starlin? Because I would find it amusing to watch Starlin replace Starlin and have Chuck praise New Starlin for being so much better than Old Starlin.
The comps are few are far between. I saw one comparing him to Freddy Sanchez, but that was 2 years ago.
And obviously fuck that.
Most reports are that he's athletic enough to stay at SS.
Wouldn't be surprising if he was a top 5 organizational prospect by the time the next lists roll around.
MLB.com:
QuoteScouting grades: Hit: 55 | Power: 45 | Run: 50 | Arm: 60 | Field: 50 | Overall: 50
Signed for $1.7 million out of Venezuela as part of the Cubs' $8.2 million international signing spree in 2013, Torres was even better than advertised in his first year as a pro. He had no trouble making his U.S. debut at age 17 and easily handled a jump to the short-season Northwest League in August.
An extremely advanced hitter for his age, Torres has a quick, short right-handed stroke and handles the bat well. He uses the entire field and has good knowledge of the strike zone. He's not physically imposing but has some strength that could produce close to average power once he learns to turn on pitches more often.
Because he has just average speed and quickness, Torres may wind up at second base in the long run. But he looked better at shortstop than expected and his instincts may allow him to stay there. His strong arm will allow him to play anywhere in the infield.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:38:18 AM
The comps are few are far between. I saw one comparing him to Freddy Sanchez, but that was 2 years ago.
And obviously fuck that.
Freddy Sanchez once hit .344 for an entire season with 53 doubles.
For the 88th time: Comps have nothing to do with career arcs.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on May 05, 2015, 11:42:16 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:38:18 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2015, 11:32:24 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 11:23:45 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:18:42 AM
Because I want more good players on the Cubs?
I think it's okay to be excited without that meaning "let's just rush him before he's ready."
This dude is an awesome prospect - it's fun to speculate about how great he can be.
But you're talking about him being in the majors when he's 21, when he probably won't be very good. Russell is 21 and obviously isn't a world beater yet. And -- I know you're not going to like hearing this -- the scouting profile on Torres doesn't give him nearly the same upside and impact as Russell.
Does Gleyber profile as like, the next Starlin? Because I would find it amusing to watch Starlin replace Starlin and have Chuck praise New Starlin for being so much better than Old Starlin.
The comps are few are far between. I saw one comparing him to Freddy Sanchez, but that was 2 years ago.
And obviously fuck that.
Most reports are that he's athletic enough to stay at SS.
Wouldn't be surprising if he was a top 5 organizational prospect by the time the next lists roll around.
MLB.com:
QuoteScouting grades: Hit: 55 | Power: 45 | Run: 50 | Arm: 60 | Field: 50 | Overall: 50
Signed for $1.7 million out of Venezuela as part of the Cubs' $8.2 million international signing spree in 2013, Torres was even better than advertised in his first year as a pro. He had no trouble making his U.S. debut at age 17 and easily handled a jump to the short-season Northwest League in August.
An extremely advanced hitter for his age, Torres has a quick, short right-handed stroke and handles the bat well. He uses the entire field and has good knowledge of the strike zone. He's not physically imposing but has some strength that could produce close to average power once he learns to turn on pitches more often.
Because he has just average speed and quickness, Torres may wind up at second base in the long run. But he looked better at shortstop than expected and his instincts may allow him to stay there. His strong arm will allow him to play anywhere in the infield.
Well, since Addison Russell is already Barry Larkin, Gleyber is probably a slightly shorter Cal Ripken.
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 11:44:46 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:38:18 AM
The comps are few are far between. I saw one comparing him to Freddy Sanchez, but that was 2 years ago.
And obviously fuck that.
Freddy Sanchez once hit .344 for an entire season with 53 doubles.
For the 88th time: Comps have nothing to do with career arcs.
That season is a ridiculous statistical outlier in Sanchez's career.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:47:21 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 11:44:46 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:38:18 AM
The comps are few are far between. I saw one comparing him to Freddy Sanchez, but that was 2 years ago.
And obviously fuck that.
Freddy Sanchez once hit .344 for an entire season with 53 doubles.
For the 88th time: Comps have nothing to do with career arcs.
That season is a ridiculous statistical outlier in Sanchez's career.
It's even better than Brady Anderson's
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:47:21 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 11:44:46 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:38:18 AM
The comps are few are far between. I saw one comparing him to Freddy Sanchez, but that was 2 years ago.
And obviously fuck that.
Freddy Sanchez once hit .344 for an entire season with 53 doubles.
For the 88th time: Comps have nothing to do with career arcs.
That season is a ridiculous statistical outlier in Sanchez's career.
He had a career .297/.335/.413 line and was a plus defender in the middle infield. I would gladly take that from Torres over the long-term. All that comp (which I didn't make) is saying is that Torres has a similar scouting profile and skillset to Freddy Sanchez.
I can't believe we're doing this again.
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 11:57:50 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:47:21 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 11:44:46 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:38:18 AM
The comps are few are far between. I saw one comparing him to Freddy Sanchez, but that was 2 years ago.
And obviously fuck that.
Freddy Sanchez once hit .344 for an entire season with 53 doubles.
For the 88th time: Comps have nothing to do with career arcs.
That season is a ridiculous statistical outlier in Sanchez's career.
He had a career .297/.335/.413 line and was a plus defender in the middle infield. I would gladly take that from Torres over the long-term. All that comp (which I didn't make) is saying is that Torres has a similar scouting profile and skillset to Freddy Sanchez.
I can't believe we're doing this again.
You can stop anytime.
Or maybe you can't?
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 12:01:18 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 11:57:50 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:47:21 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 11:44:46 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:38:18 AM
The comps are few are far between. I saw one comparing him to Freddy Sanchez, but that was 2 years ago.
And obviously fuck that.
Freddy Sanchez once hit .344 for an entire season with 53 doubles.
For the 88th time: Comps have nothing to do with career arcs.
That season is a ridiculous statistical outlier in Sanchez's career.
He had a career .297/.335/.413 line and was a plus defender in the middle infield. I would gladly take that from Torres over the long-term. All that comp (which I didn't make) is saying is that Torres has a similar scouting profile and skillset to Freddy Sanchez.
I can't believe we're doing this again.
You can stop anytime.
Or maybe you can't?
Don't take it out on me that you've hitched your wagon to Freddy Sanchez, Junior, Jr.
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 12:11:46 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 12:01:18 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 11:57:50 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:47:21 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 11:44:46 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:38:18 AM
The comps are few are far between. I saw one comparing him to Freddy Sanchez, but that was 2 years ago.
And obviously fuck that.
Freddy Sanchez once hit .344 for an entire season with 53 doubles.
For the 88th time: Comps have nothing to do with career arcs.
That season is a ridiculous statistical outlier in Sanchez's career.
He had a career .297/.335/.413 line and was a plus defender in the middle infield. I would gladly take that from Torres over the long-term. All that comp (which I didn't make) is saying is that Torres has a similar scouting profile and skillset to Freddy Sanchez.
I can't believe we're doing this again.
You can stop anytime.
Or maybe you can't?
Don't take it out on me that you've hitched your wagon to Freddy Sanchez, Junior, Jr.
Well, considering that Jen-Ho Tseng is looking more and more like Chan-Ho Park, I needed to call an audible.
Though I'm sure you'll tell me why I should be perfectly happy with Chan-Ho Park II.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 12:15:48 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 12:11:46 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 12:01:18 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 11:57:50 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:47:21 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 11:44:46 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 11:38:18 AM
The comps are few are far between. I saw one comparing him to Freddy Sanchez, but that was 2 years ago.
And obviously fuck that.
Freddy Sanchez once hit .344 for an entire season with 53 doubles.
For the 88th time: Comps have nothing to do with career arcs.
That season is a ridiculous statistical outlier in Sanchez's career.
He had a career .297/.335/.413 line and was a plus defender in the middle infield. I would gladly take that from Torres over the long-term. All that comp (which I didn't make) is saying is that Torres has a similar scouting profile and skillset to Freddy Sanchez.
I can't believe we're doing this again.
You can stop anytime.
Or maybe you can't?
Don't take it out on me that you've hitched your wagon to Freddy Sanchez, Junior, Jr.
Well, considering that Jen-Ho Tseng is looking more and more like Chan-Ho Park, I needed to call an audible.
Though I'm sure you'll tell me why I should be perfectly happy with Chan-Ho Park II.
South Korea and Taiwan are different countries, you racist.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 12:15:48 PM
Well, considering that Jen-Ho Tseng is looking more and more like Chan-Ho Park, I needed to call an audible.
Though I'm sure you'll tell me why I should be perfectly happy with Chan-Ho Park II.
Oh boy. So, from a very rudimentary perusal at the stats...
Park, as a 21-year old in AA - 5.1 BB/9, 8.9K/9
Tseng, as a 20-year old in A - 1.3 BB/9, 7.3K/9
Park was also a better than average pitcher for 5 out of 6 years until Texas decided to pay him as a #1. If Tseng has a 132 ERA+ as a 27 year old...cool. Still doesn't make him a Park comp, though.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 12:15:48 PM
Though I'm sure you'll tell me why I should be perfectly happy with Chan-Ho Park II.
Most of the players you hate as comps had long careers as major leaguers. That alone is a tough bar to clear for most low-minors prospects.
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 12:53:16 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 12:15:48 PM
Though I'm sure you'll tell me why I should be perfectly happy with Chan-Ho Park II.
Most of the players you hate as comps had long careers as major leaguers. That alone is a tough bar to clear for most low-minors prospects.
We're not talking
most low-minors prospects - we're talking about a very select group of awesome ones that I expect to all be Hall of Famers.
I'll just say if they've got the next Vlad Guerrero, Troy Glaus, Freddie Sanchez, Jose Vidro, and *randomly selects good but not historically great hitting catcher comp for Schwarber regardless of accuracy* Javy Lopez in the lineup they're gonna score a lot of fucking runs the next 5-6 years.
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2015, 01:17:59 PM
I'll just say if they've got the next Vlad Guerrero, Troy Glaus, Freddie Sanchez, Jose Vidro, and *randomly selects good but not historically great hitting catcher comp for Schwarber regardless of accuracy* Javy Lopez in the lineup they're gonna score a lot of fucking runs the next 5-6 years.
So then why get so butthurt over what they're doing right now?
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on May 05, 2015, 01:20:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2015, 01:17:59 PM
I'll just say if they've got the next Vlad Guerrero, Troy Glaus, Freddie Sanchez, Jose Vidro, and *randomly selects good but not historically great hitting catcher comp for Schwarber regardless of accuracy* Javy Lopez in the lineup they're gonna score a lot of fucking runs the next 5-6 years.
So then why get so butthurt over what they're doing right now?
You should really go back and see how many of your monthly posts for the last year or so are just attempts to stickpoke me. This obsession is unhealthy, Todd.
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2015, 01:23:06 PM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on May 05, 2015, 01:20:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2015, 01:17:59 PM
I'll just say if they've got the next Vlad Guerrero, Troy Glaus, Freddie Sanchez, Jose Vidro, and *randomly selects good but not historically great hitting catcher comp for Schwarber regardless of accuracy* Javy Lopez in the lineup they're gonna score a lot of fucking runs the next 5-6 years.
So then why get so butthurt over what they're doing right now?
You should really go back and see how many of your monthly posts for the last year or so are just attempts to stickpoke me. This obsession is unhealthy, Todd.
I have a feeling if he just waits 30 seconds, you'll post again telling him what that number is.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 01:27:25 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2015, 01:23:06 PM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on May 05, 2015, 01:20:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2015, 01:17:59 PM
I'll just say if they've got the next Vlad Guerrero, Troy Glaus, Freddie Sanchez, Jose Vidro, and *randomly selects good but not historically great hitting catcher comp for Schwarber regardless of accuracy* Javy Lopez in the lineup they're gonna score a lot of fucking runs the next 5-6 years.
So then why get so butthurt over what they're doing right now?
You should really go back and see how many of your monthly posts for the last year or so are just attempts to stickpoke me. This obsession is unhealthy, Todd.
I have a feeling if he just waits 30 seconds, you'll post again telling him what that number is.
About 16ish in the last 45 posts
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on May 05, 2015, 01:20:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2015, 01:17:59 PM
I'll just say if they've got the next Vlad Guerrero, Troy Glaus, Freddie Sanchez, Jose Vidro, and *randomly selects good but not historically great hitting catcher comp for Schwarber regardless of accuracy* Javy Lopez in the lineup they're gonna score a lot of fucking runs the next 5-6 years.
So then why get so butthurt over what they're doing right now?
Because these games count too?
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2015, 01:17:59 PM
I'll just say if they've got the next Vlad Guerrero, Troy Glaus, Freddie Sanchez, Jose Vidro, and *randomly selects good but not historically great hitting catcher comp for Schwarber regardless of accuracy* Javy Lopez in the lineup they're gonna score a lot of fucking runs the next 5-6 years.
I like this.
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2015, 01:17:59 PM
I'll just say if they've got the next Vlad Guerrero, Troy Glaus, Freddie Sanchez, Jose Vidro, and *randomly selects good but not historically great hitting catcher comp for Schwarber regardless of accuracy* Javy Lopez in the lineup they're gonna score a lot of fucking runs the next 5-6 years.
Matt Wieters.That was a joke. Mike Napoli.
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 01:50:27 PM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on May 05, 2015, 01:20:18 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2015, 01:17:59 PM
I'll just say if they've got the next Vlad Guerrero, Troy Glaus, Freddie Sanchez, Jose Vidro, and *randomly selects good but not historically great hitting catcher comp for Schwarber regardless of accuracy* Javy Lopez in the lineup they're gonna score a lot of fucking runs the next 5-6 years.
So then why get so butthurt over what they're doing right now?
Because these games count too?
Don't do it, Eli. I let him stickpoke me so no one else needs take the bait. I am Desipio's lightning rod of Chad dumbassery.
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 01:51:46 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2015, 01:17:59 PM
I'll just say if they've got the next Vlad Guerrero, Troy Glaus, Freddie Sanchez, Jose Vidro, and *randomly selects good but not historically great hitting catcher comp for Schwarber regardless of accuracy* Javy Lopez in the lineup they're gonna score a lot of fucking runs the next 5-6 years.
Matt Wieters.
That was a joke. Mike Napoli.
Actually just based on minor league numbers Wieters does seem like the closer comp? Both walk more and hit for a better average than Young Napoli. But holy shit would I take either, provided the PenComp of Wieters doesn't doom Schwarber to a bunch of injuries.
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2015, 01:58:54 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 01:51:46 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2015, 01:17:59 PM
I'll just say if they've got the next Vlad Guerrero, Troy Glaus, Freddie Sanchez, Jose Vidro, and *randomly selects good but not historically great hitting catcher comp for Schwarber regardless of accuracy* Javy Lopez in the lineup they're gonna score a lot of fucking runs the next 5-6 years.
Matt Wieters.
That was a joke. Mike Napoli.
Actually just based on minor league numbers Wieters does seem like the closer comp? Both walk more and hit for a better average than Young Napoli. But holy shit would I take either, provided the PenComp of Wieters doesn't doom Schwarber to a bunch of injuries.
Considering I don't think Schwarber sticks at catcher, both of these comps are wrong.
He can be the next Carlos Lee.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 02:07:30 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2015, 01:58:54 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 01:51:46 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2015, 01:17:59 PM
I'll just say if they've got the next Vlad Guerrero, Troy Glaus, Freddie Sanchez, Jose Vidro, and *randomly selects good but not historically great hitting catcher comp for Schwarber regardless of accuracy* Javy Lopez in the lineup they're gonna score a lot of fucking runs the next 5-6 years.
Matt Wieters.
That was a joke. Mike Napoli.
Actually just based on minor league numbers Wieters does seem like the closer comp? Both walk more and hit for a better average than Young Napoli. But holy shit would I take either, provided the PenComp of Wieters doesn't doom Schwarber to a bunch of injuries.
Considering I don't think Schwarber sticks at catcher, both of these comps are wrong.
He can be the next Carlos Lee.
Oh he'll stick at catcher. Stick his gold glove right up your ass.
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2015, 02:11:44 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 02:07:30 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2015, 01:58:54 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 01:51:46 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2015, 01:17:59 PM
I'll just say if they've got the next Vlad Guerrero, Troy Glaus, Freddie Sanchez, Jose Vidro, and *randomly selects good but not historically great hitting catcher comp for Schwarber regardless of accuracy* Javy Lopez in the lineup they're gonna score a lot of fucking runs the next 5-6 years.
Matt Wieters.
That was a joke. Mike Napoli.
Actually just based on minor league numbers Wieters does seem like the closer comp? Both walk more and hit for a better average than Young Napoli. But holy shit would I take either, provided the PenComp of Wieters doesn't doom Schwarber to a bunch of injuries.
Considering I don't think Schwarber sticks at catcher, both of these comps are wrong.
He can be the next Carlos Lee.
Oh he'll stick at catcher. Stick his gold glove right up your ass.
Carlton Fisk it is.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 02:07:30 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2015, 01:58:54 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 01:51:46 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2015, 01:17:59 PM
I'll just say if they've got the next Vlad Guerrero, Troy Glaus, Freddie Sanchez, Jose Vidro, and *randomly selects good but not historically great hitting catcher comp for Schwarber regardless of accuracy* Javy Lopez in the lineup they're gonna score a lot of fucking runs the next 5-6 years.
Matt Wieters.
That was a joke. Mike Napoli.
Actually just based on minor league numbers Wieters does seem like the closer comp? Both walk more and hit for a better average than Young Napoli. But holy shit would I take either, provided the PenComp of Wieters doesn't doom Schwarber to a bunch of injuries.
Considering I don't think Schwarber sticks at catcher, both of these comps are wrong.
He can be the next Carlos Lee.
So he'll get traded for Scotty Pods, and retire in 2012?
Did I do that right?
Quote from: Tonker on May 05, 2015, 02:17:00 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 02:07:30 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2015, 01:58:54 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 01:51:46 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2015, 01:17:59 PM
I'll just say if they've got the next Vlad Guerrero, Troy Glaus, Freddie Sanchez, Jose Vidro, and *randomly selects good but not historically great hitting catcher comp for Schwarber regardless of accuracy* Javy Lopez in the lineup they're gonna score a lot of fucking runs the next 5-6 years.
Matt Wieters.
That was a joke. Mike Napoli.
Actually just based on minor league numbers Wieters does seem like the closer comp? Both walk more and hit for a better average than Young Napoli. But holy shit would I take either, provided the PenComp of Wieters doesn't doom Schwarber to a bunch of injuries.
Considering I don't think Schwarber sticks at catcher, both of these comps are wrong.
He can be the next Carlos Lee.
So he'll get traded for Scotty Pods, and retire in 2012?
Did I do that right?
So he'll get jettisoned by the Sox for (in part) failing to hustle on a play at the plate by being dealt for Scotty Pods in the above-referenced deal and then subsequently hustling a little
too hard in an opening weekend game against the Cubs (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN200504100.shtml) (Lee's 5th as a Brewer) in attempting to break up a double play, thus knocking Todd Walker--whom Apex hated--out for months, and leaving us to wallow in dread with Jose Macias--whom Apex loved-- at the keystone, thus extending the 2005 season from the miserable end that was 2004 and leaving all of us suddenly amidst an all-around putrid sub-era that went on for 18 more months, made all the more bitter by how close they had actually come 18 months earlier?
Fuck you, Carlos Lee.
Quote from: PANK! on May 05, 2015, 02:27:18 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 05, 2015, 02:17:00 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 02:07:30 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2015, 01:58:54 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 01:51:46 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2015, 01:17:59 PM
I'll just say if they've got the next Vlad Guerrero, Troy Glaus, Freddie Sanchez, Jose Vidro, and *randomly selects good but not historically great hitting catcher comp for Schwarber regardless of accuracy* Javy Lopez in the lineup they're gonna score a lot of fucking runs the next 5-6 years.
Matt Wieters.
That was a joke. Mike Napoli.
Actually just based on minor league numbers Wieters does seem like the closer comp? Both walk more and hit for a better average than Young Napoli. But holy shit would I take either, provided the PenComp of Wieters doesn't doom Schwarber to a bunch of injuries.
Considering I don't think Schwarber sticks at catcher, both of these comps are wrong.
He can be the next Carlos Lee.
So he'll get traded for Scotty Pods, and retire in 2012?
Did I do that right?
So he'll get jettisoned by the Sox for (in part) failing to hustle on a play at the plate by being dealt for Scotty Pods in the above-referenced deal and then subsequently hustling a little too hard in an opening weekend game against the Cubs (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN200504100.shtml) (Lee's 5th as a Brewer) in attempting to break up a double play, thus knocking Todd Walker--whom Apex hated--out for months, and leaving us to wallow in dread with Jose Macias--whom Apex loved-- at the keystone, thus extending the 2005 season from the miserable end that was 2004 and leaving all of us suddenly amidst an all-around putrid sub-era that went on for 18 more months, made all the more bitter by how close they had actually come 18 months earlier?
Fuck you, Carlos Lee.
This is the most you thing you've ever posted.
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2015, 02:38:41 PM
Quote from: PANK! on May 05, 2015, 02:27:18 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 05, 2015, 02:17:00 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 05, 2015, 02:07:30 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2015, 01:58:54 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 05, 2015, 01:51:46 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2015, 01:17:59 PM
I'll just say if they've got the next Vlad Guerrero, Troy Glaus, Freddie Sanchez, Jose Vidro, and *randomly selects good but not historically great hitting catcher comp for Schwarber regardless of accuracy* Javy Lopez in the lineup they're gonna score a lot of fucking runs the next 5-6 years.
Matt Wieters.
That was a joke. Mike Napoli.
Actually just based on minor league numbers Wieters does seem like the closer comp? Both walk more and hit for a better average than Young Napoli. But holy shit would I take either, provided the PenComp of Wieters doesn't doom Schwarber to a bunch of injuries.
Considering I don't think Schwarber sticks at catcher, both of these comps are wrong.
He can be the next Carlos Lee.
So he'll get traded for Scotty Pods, and retire in 2012?
Did I do that right?
So he'll get jettisoned by the Sox for (in part) failing to hustle on a play at the plate by being dealt for Scotty Pods in the above-referenced deal and then subsequently hustling a little too hard in an opening weekend game against the Cubs (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN200504100.shtml) (Lee's 5th as a Brewer) in attempting to break up a double play, thus knocking Todd Walker--whom Apex hated--out for months, and leaving us to wallow in dread with Jose Macias--whom Apex loved-- at the keystone, thus extending the 2005 season from the miserable end that was 2004 and leaving all of us suddenly amidst an all-around putrid sub-era that went on for 18 more months, made all the more bitter by how close they had actually come 18 months earlier?
Fuck you, Carlos Lee.
This is the most you thing you've ever posted.
Ever? Or in a long while?
Wasn't hard to reach into the well for that one. That one felt good, been carrying it around for too long. Too long.
Should we be paying attention to Jeremy Null? 8 IP, zero runs last night. Overall, 30.2 IP, 0.59 ERA, 26/1 K/BB, for South Bend.
In his professional career, he's pitched 46.2 IP with a 39/3 K/BB, 0.857 WHIP and has a 1.16 ERA
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 06, 2015, 10:33:45 AM
Should we be paying attention to Jeremy Null? 8 IP, zero runs last night. Overall, 30.2 IP, 0.59 ERA, 26/1 K/BB, for South Bend.
Yes.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 06, 2015, 10:34:57 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 06, 2015, 10:33:45 AM
Should we be paying attention to Jeremy Null? 8 IP, zero runs last night. Overall, 30.2 IP, 0.59 ERA, 26/1 K/BB, for South Bend.
Yes.
If for no other reason than "Nulldozer" is the best nickname to come down the pike in a while.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 06, 2015, 10:57:45 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 06, 2015, 10:34:57 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 06, 2015, 10:33:45 AM
Should we be paying attention to Jeremy Null? 8 IP, zero runs last night. Overall, 30.2 IP, 0.59 ERA, 26/1 K/BB, for South Bend.
Yes.
If for no other reason than "Nulldozer" is the best nickname to come down the pike in a while.
Best one since Nullbonzo Beanz.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2015, 10:58:48 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 06, 2015, 10:57:45 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 06, 2015, 10:34:57 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 06, 2015, 10:33:45 AM
Should we be paying attention to Jeremy Null? 8 IP, zero runs last night. Overall, 30.2 IP, 0.59 ERA, 26/1 K/BB, for South Bend.
Yes.
If for no other reason than "Nulldozer" is the best nickname to come down the pike in a while.
Best one since Nullbonzo Beanz.
Don't fuck with the Nulldozer
(http://www.milb.com/images/607045/t550/180x270/607045.jpg)
Quote from: PenFoe on May 06, 2015, 10:34:57 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 06, 2015, 10:33:45 AM
Should we be paying attention to Jeremy Null? 8 IP, zero runs last night. Overall, 30.2 IP, 0.59 ERA, 26/1 K/BB, for South Bend.
Yes.
COUNTERPOINT: Jen-Ho Tseng 2014 v. Jen-Ho Tseng 2015. :(
However, he's three years younger than the Carolina League and he's only thrown 17 innings. He's got this.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on May 06, 2015, 11:02:29 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 06, 2015, 10:34:57 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 06, 2015, 10:33:45 AM
Should we be paying attention to Jeremy Null? 8 IP, zero runs last night. Overall, 30.2 IP, 0.59 ERA, 26/1 K/BB, for South Bend.
Yes.
COUNTERPOINT: Jen-Ho Tseng 2014 v. Jen-Ho Tseng 2015. :(
However, he's three years younger than the Carolina League and he's only thrown 17 innings. He's got this.
Jen-Ho is still going to be great, but we moved on from him yesterday, if you missed it.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 06, 2015, 11:03:28 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on May 06, 2015, 11:02:29 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 06, 2015, 10:34:57 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 06, 2015, 10:33:45 AM
Should we be paying attention to Jeremy Null? 8 IP, zero runs last night. Overall, 30.2 IP, 0.59 ERA, 26/1 K/BB, for South Bend.
Yes.
COUNTERPOINT: Jen-Ho Tseng 2014 v. Jen-Ho Tseng 2015. :(
However, he's three years younger than the Carolina League and he's only thrown 17 innings. He's got this.
Jen-Ho is still going to be great, but we moved on from him yesterday, if you missed it.
That's what I'm referencing, yes. I'm still firmly in the Seeing How This All Plays Out camp on him.
I can't remember if we were talking about Eloy Jiminez on Desipio or the SBox yesterday, but he had a pretty nice game in Extended Spring Training yesterday, going 2-3 with a homer and a triple. Should be in Eugene come June.
Also, Dylan Cease is back at it after TJ surgery last season after he was drafted.
Pitched 3 innings/45 pitches in a simulated game.
Good to see he's progressing. Stud arm for sure.
There are a couple other names of note down there (Justin Steele, Carson Sands, Kevonte Mitchell) and hopefully we'll see all of them in Eugene.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 06, 2015, 12:03:37 PM
I can't remember if we were talking about Eloy Jiminez on Desipio or the SBox yesterday, but he had a pretty nice game in Extended Spring Training yesterday, going 2-3 with a homer and a triple. Should be in Eugene come June.
Also, Dylan Cease is back at it after TJ surgery last season after he was drafted.
Pitched 3 innings/45 pitches in a simulated game.
Good to see he's progressing. Stud arm for sure.
There are a couple other names of note down there (Justin Steele, Carson Sands, Kevonte Mitchell) and hopefully we'll see all of them in Eugene.
Cease, Steele, Sands are all draftees from last year? I remember us discussing these guys last summer vaguely...there is a ton of potential here, right?
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 06, 2015, 12:09:27 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 06, 2015, 12:03:37 PM
I can't remember if we were talking about Eloy Jiminez on Desipio or the SBox yesterday, but he had a pretty nice game in Extended Spring Training yesterday, going 2-3 with a homer and a triple. Should be in Eugene come June.
Also, Dylan Cease is back at it after TJ surgery last season after he was drafted.
Pitched 3 innings/45 pitches in a simulated game.
Good to see he's progressing. Stud arm for sure.
There are a couple other names of note down there (Justin Steele, Carson Sands, Kevonte Mitchell) and hopefully we'll see all of them in Eugene.
Cease, Steele, Sands are all draftees from last year? I remember us discussing these guys last summer vaguely...there is a ton of potential here, right?
Yeah, they went 4th-6th and all got $1MM+.
Cease was the toughest sign because he was committed to Vandy and had elbow problems. Without elbow problems, he was projected as a first rounder.
And then we spent 3 months trying to figure out if he was a dick on Twitter and ended up thinking that the old account was probably a fake and that he might still be a dick was probably wasn't
that dick on Twitter.
But in the meantime we also found Carson Sands' super-hot girlfriend (now fiancee) and everything was good.
Billy McKinney is legit killing it in Myrtle Right now.
There's not much room for him in AA with Hannemann, Almora and Rademacher manning the OF there, but he's certainly deserving of a promotion.
.313/.431/.518 and this is after he posted an .822 OPS in Daytona after the trade from Oakland.
He's playing mostly RF - they've already moved him off of CF.
And oh by the way, 16 BB against only 11 Ks.
Hoyer acknowledging that, at some point, they're trading hitters to the Mets for pitchers. (http://chicago.suntimes.com/baseball/7/71/598222/young-stars-aligned-cubs-mets-deal-itll-happen-point-hoyer-says)
Quote
"I guess when you factor in the hitting and the pitching, I guess people think it's unusual," Hoyer said of the fact the teams haven't hooked up on a trade.
"But it'll happen at some point."
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 06, 2015, 10:57:45 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 06, 2015, 10:34:57 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 06, 2015, 10:33:45 AM
Should we be paying attention to Jeremy Null? 8 IP, zero runs last night. Overall, 30.2 IP, 0.59 ERA, 26/1 K/BB, for South Bend.
Yes.
If for no other reason than "Nulldozer" is the best nickname to come down the pike in a while.
Best one since Nullbonzo Beanz.
Don't fuck with the Nulldozer
(http://www.milb.com/images/607045/t550/180x270/607045.jpg)
Null on the mound in an early game for South Bend today.
So far: 4 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 3 K
That's a 29:1 KK/B on the season through 34 innings.
He's coming back out for the 5th.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 10:55:34 AM
Hoyer acknowledging that, at some point, they're trading hitters to the Mets for pitchers. (http://chicago.suntimes.com/baseball/7/71/598222/young-stars-aligned-cubs-mets-deal-itll-happen-point-hoyer-says)
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"I guess when you factor in the hitting and the pitching, I guess people think it's unusual," Hoyer said of the fact the teams haven't hooked up on a trade.
"But it'll happen at some point."
I guess I'm resigned to this fact now - after seeing Cubs pitching in action over the past month. They can have Alcantarra for deGrom. The fuckers.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2015, 11:06:00 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 10:55:34 AM
Hoyer acknowledging that, at some point, they're trading hitters to the Mets for pitchers. (http://chicago.suntimes.com/baseball/7/71/598222/young-stars-aligned-cubs-mets-deal-itll-happen-point-hoyer-says)
Quote
"I guess when you factor in the hitting and the pitching, I guess people think it's unusual," Hoyer said of the fact the teams haven't hooked up on a trade.
"But it'll happen at some point."
I guess I'm resigned to this fact now - after seeing Cubs pitching in action over the past month. They can have Alcantarra for deGrom. The fuckers.
Intrepid Reader: Sandy Alderson
Alcantara and how many more guys?
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 10:55:34 AM
Hoyer acknowledging that, at some point, they're trading hitters to the Mets for pitchers. (http://chicago.suntimes.com/baseball/7/71/598222/young-stars-aligned-cubs-mets-deal-itll-happen-point-hoyer-says)
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"I guess when you factor in the hitting and the pitching, I guess people think it's unusual," Hoyer said of the fact the teams haven't hooked up on a trade.
"But it'll happen at some point."
I keep trying to figure out ways that quote could mean something else and I just can't, at least not the way it's presented. I bet there's some context missing because that's Gordo. I don't think Hoyer would ever admit something like that intentionally.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 11:07:27 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2015, 11:06:00 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 10:55:34 AM
Hoyer acknowledging that, at some point, they're trading hitters to the Mets for pitchers. (http://chicago.suntimes.com/baseball/7/71/598222/young-stars-aligned-cubs-mets-deal-itll-happen-point-hoyer-says)
Quote
"I guess when you factor in the hitting and the pitching, I guess people think it's unusual," Hoyer said of the fact the teams haven't hooked up on a trade.
"But it'll happen at some point."
I guess I'm resigned to this fact now - after seeing Cubs pitching in action over the past month. They can have Alcantarra for deGrom. The fuckers.
Intrepid Reader: Sandy Alderson
Alcantara and how many more guys?
Jackson, McKinney, Murton and Ross.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2015, 11:11:47 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 11:07:27 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2015, 11:06:00 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 10:55:34 AM
Hoyer acknowledging that, at some point, they're trading hitters to the Mets for pitchers. (http://chicago.suntimes.com/baseball/7/71/598222/young-stars-aligned-cubs-mets-deal-itll-happen-point-hoyer-says)
Quote
"I guess when you factor in the hitting and the pitching, I guess people think it's unusual," Hoyer said of the fact the teams haven't hooked up on a trade.
"But it'll happen at some point."
I guess I'm resigned to this fact now - after seeing Cubs pitching in action over the past month. They can have Alcantarra for deGrom. The fuckers.
Intrepid Reader: Sandy Alderson
Alcantara and how many more guys?
Jackson, McKinney, Murton and Ross.
Stop trading McKinney, you monster.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 10:59:01 AM
Quote from: Yeti on May 06, 2015, 11:00:32 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2015, 10:58:48 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 06, 2015, 10:57:45 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 06, 2015, 10:34:57 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 06, 2015, 10:33:45 AM
Should we be paying attention to Jeremy Null? 8 IP, zero runs last night. Overall, 30.2 IP, 0.59 ERA, 26/1 K/BB, for South Bend.
Yes.
If for no other reason than "Nulldozer" is the best nickname to come down the pike in a while.
Best one since Nullbonzo Beanz.
Don't fuck with the Nulldozer
(http://www.milb.com/images/607045/t550/180x270/607045.jpg)
Null on the mound in an early game for South Bend today.
So far: 4 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 3 K
That's a 29:1 KK/B on the season through 34 innings.
He's coming back out for the 5th.
Final line: 6 IP, 9 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 4K.
Now for his minor league career:
56.2 IP, 3 BB, 43 K.
Somewhere around a 1.16 ERA and 0.85 WHIP. Don't feel like doing the math.
Javy has a .405 OBP with 5 walks and just 10 Ks in his last ten at Iowa. So if he wants to keep that up that'd be pretty great.
Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2015, 11:58:59 AM
Javy has a .405 OBP with 5 walks and just 10 Ks in his last ten at Iowa. So if he wants to keep that up that'd be pretty great.
This is a tricky situation. It was fairly easy to bring him up last year and let him struggle like he usually does when he moves up a level, but this year the infield spots are taken and they can't afford to let him strike out a ton while they're trying to stay in contention. Do they move Bryant to left now mid-season? Does Javy go to third? Does he go back to second? But moving Russell to third seems like a bad move considering he's so young and is just now getting used to second. What if Javy struggles? Do they send him back down and then move everyone back to the spots they're in now?
GMing is hard.
Quote from: Tony on May 12, 2015, 12:19:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2015, 11:58:59 AM
Javy has a .405 OBP with 5 walks and just 10 Ks in his last ten at Iowa. So if he wants to keep that up that'd be pretty great.
This is a tricky situation. It was fairly easy to bring him up last year and let him struggle like he usually does when he moves up a level, but this year the infield spots are taken and they can't afford to let him strike out a ton while they're trying to stay in contention. Do they move Bryant to left now mid-season? Does Javy go to third? Does he go back to second? But moving Russell to third seems like a bad move considering he's so young and is just now getting used to second. What if Javy struggles? Do they send him back down and then move everyone back to the spots they're in now?
GMing is hard.
Clearly they trade Castro to the Mets. Jed like basically said this was happening. Pay the fuck attention
Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2015, 12:21:53 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 12, 2015, 12:19:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2015, 11:58:59 AM
Javy has a .405 OBP with 5 walks and just 10 Ks in his last ten at Iowa. So if he wants to keep that up that'd be pretty great.
This is a tricky situation. It was fairly easy to bring him up last year and let him struggle like he usually does when he moves up a level, but this year the infield spots are taken and they can't afford to let him strike out a ton while they're trying to stay in contention. Do they move Bryant to left now mid-season? Does Javy go to third? Does he go back to second? But moving Russell to third seems like a bad move considering he's so young and is just now getting used to second. What if Javy struggles? Do they send him back down and then move everyone back to the spots they're in now?
GMing is hard.
Clearly they trade Castro to the Mets. Jed like basically said this was happening. Pay the fuck attention
They're going to swap Castro for Syndegaard right after the game tonight, from one dugout to the other.
Unless the Cubs crush Syndegaard, then they'll trade Baez for him.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 12:29:50 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2015, 12:21:53 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 12, 2015, 12:19:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2015, 11:58:59 AM
Javy has a .405 OBP with 5 walks and just 10 Ks in his last ten at Iowa. So if he wants to keep that up that'd be pretty great.
This is a tricky situation. It was fairly easy to bring him up last year and let him struggle like he usually does when he moves up a level, but this year the infield spots are taken and they can't afford to let him strike out a ton while they're trying to stay in contention. Do they move Bryant to left now mid-season? Does Javy go to third? Does he go back to second? But moving Russell to third seems like a bad move considering he's so young and is just now getting used to second. What if Javy struggles? Do they send him back down and then move everyone back to the spots they're in now?
GMing is hard.
Clearly they trade Castro to the Mets. Jed like basically said this was happening. Pay the fuck attention
They're going to swap Castro for Syndegaard right after the game tonight, from one dugout to the other.
Unless the Cubs crush Syndegaard, then they'll trade Baez for him.
Didn't something like that happen in Moneyball?
Quote from: Tony on May 12, 2015, 12:30:43 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 12:29:50 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2015, 12:21:53 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 12, 2015, 12:19:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2015, 11:58:59 AM
Javy has a .405 OBP with 5 walks and just 10 Ks in his last ten at Iowa. So if he wants to keep that up that'd be pretty great.
This is a tricky situation. It was fairly easy to bring him up last year and let him struggle like he usually does when he moves up a level, but this year the infield spots are taken and they can't afford to let him strike out a ton while they're trying to stay in contention. Do they move Bryant to left now mid-season? Does Javy go to third? Does he go back to second? But moving Russell to third seems like a bad move considering he's so young and is just now getting used to second. What if Javy struggles? Do they send him back down and then move everyone back to the spots they're in now?
GMing is hard.
Clearly they trade Castro to the Mets. Jed like basically said this was happening. Pay the fuck attention
They're going to swap Castro for Syndegaard right after the game tonight, from one dugout to the other.
Unless the Cubs crush Syndegaard, then they'll trade Baez for him.
Didn't something like that happen in Moneyball?
With Rincon, IIRC
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 12:29:50 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2015, 12:21:53 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 12, 2015, 12:19:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2015, 11:58:59 AM
Javy has a .405 OBP with 5 walks and just 10 Ks in his last ten at Iowa. So if he wants to keep that up that'd be pretty great.
This is a tricky situation. It was fairly easy to bring him up last year and let him struggle like he usually does when he moves up a level, but this year the infield spots are taken and they can't afford to let him strike out a ton while they're trying to stay in contention. Do they move Bryant to left now mid-season? Does Javy go to third? Does he go back to second? But moving Russell to third seems like a bad move considering he's so young and is just now getting used to second. What if Javy struggles? Do they send him back down and then move everyone back to the spots they're in now?
GMing is hard.
Clearly they trade Castro to the Mets. Jed like basically said this was happening. Pay the fuck attention
They're going to swap Castro for Syndegaard right after the game tonight, from one dugout to the other.
Unless the Cubs crush Syndegaard, then they'll trade Baez for him.
If we're choosing between Syndergaard and de Grom I think I'd rather have Syndergaard. Even though de Grom is the reigning ROY.
Javy Baez, for your amusement. (https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=WpZxQ-oVKbI) Is the sound of contact doctored in any way? If not, dear Lord.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 13, 2015, 09:06:02 AM
Javy Baez, for your amusement. (https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=WpZxQ-oVKbI) Is the sound of contact doctored in any way? If not, dear Lord.
I enjoyed the sound of his thighs rubbing together as he waddled round the bases afterwards.
Quote from: Tonker on May 13, 2015, 09:24:40 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 13, 2015, 09:06:02 AM
Javy Baez, for your amusement. (https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=WpZxQ-oVKbI) Is the sound of contact doctored in any way? If not, dear Lord.
I enjoyed the sound of his thighs rubbing together as he waddled round the bases afterwards.
It's all fun and games until Christina Hendricks plays him in the movie.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 11:16:17 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2015, 11:11:47 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 11:07:27 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2015, 11:06:00 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 10:55:34 AM
Hoyer acknowledging that, at some point, they're trading hitters to the Mets for pitchers. (http://chicago.suntimes.com/baseball/7/71/598222/young-stars-aligned-cubs-mets-deal-itll-happen-point-hoyer-says)
Quote
"I guess when you factor in the hitting and the pitching, I guess people think it's unusual," Hoyer said of the fact the teams haven't hooked up on a trade.
"But it'll happen at some point."
I guess I'm resigned to this fact now - after seeing Cubs pitching in action over the past month. They can have Alcantarra for deGrom. The fuckers.
Intrepid Reader: Sandy Alderson
Alcantara and how many more guys?
Jackson, McKinney, Murton and Ross.
Stop trading McKinney, you monster.
McKinney promoted to AA.
I assume we'll see an OF of McKinney, Almora and Rademacher with Hannemann getting exiled to loserville.
McKinney-Schwarber-Vogelbach at 2-3-4 is mighty fine.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 14, 2015, 02:35:38 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 11:16:17 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2015, 11:11:47 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 11:07:27 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2015, 11:06:00 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 10:55:34 AM
Hoyer acknowledging that, at some point, they're trading hitters to the Mets for pitchers. (http://chicago.suntimes.com/baseball/7/71/598222/young-stars-aligned-cubs-mets-deal-itll-happen-point-hoyer-says)
Quote
"I guess when you factor in the hitting and the pitching, I guess people think it's unusual," Hoyer said of the fact the teams haven't hooked up on a trade.
"But it'll happen at some point."
I guess I'm resigned to this fact now - after seeing Cubs pitching in action over the past month. They can have Alcantarra for deGrom. The fuckers.
Intrepid Reader: Sandy Alderson
Alcantara and how many more guys?
Jackson, McKinney, Murton and Ross.
Stop trading McKinney, you monster.
McKinney promoted to AA.
I assume we'll see an OF of McKinney, Almora and Rademacher with Hannemann getting exiled to loserville.
McKinney-Schwarber-Vogelbach at 2-3-4 is mighty fine.
This is good to hear, because we know how much Fork cares about the AA playoffs.
Quote from: SKO on May 14, 2015, 02:42:08 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 14, 2015, 02:35:38 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 11:16:17 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2015, 11:11:47 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 11:07:27 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2015, 11:06:00 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 10:55:34 AM
Hoyer acknowledging that, at some point, they're trading hitters to the Mets for pitchers. (http://chicago.suntimes.com/baseball/7/71/598222/young-stars-aligned-cubs-mets-deal-itll-happen-point-hoyer-says)
Quote
"I guess when you factor in the hitting and the pitching, I guess people think it's unusual," Hoyer said of the fact the teams haven't hooked up on a trade.
"But it'll happen at some point."
I guess I'm resigned to this fact now - after seeing Cubs pitching in action over the past month. They can have Alcantarra for deGrom. The fuckers.
Intrepid Reader: Sandy Alderson
Alcantara and how many more guys?
Jackson, McKinney, Murton and Ross.
Stop trading McKinney, you monster.
McKinney promoted to AA.
I assume we'll see an OF of McKinney, Almora and Rademacher with Hannemann getting exiled to loserville.
McKinney-Schwarber-Vogelbach at 2-3-4 is mighty fine.
This is good to hear, because we know how much Fork cares about the AA playoffs.
It's good to hear because it means that McKinney can destroy Tennessee the rest of this year, start next year in Iowa and then be the Cubs regular LF by June 2016 at 21 years old, with Bryant at 3B and Schwarber behind the plate.
Bonerville.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 14, 2015, 02:44:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 14, 2015, 02:42:08 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 14, 2015, 02:35:38 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 11:16:17 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2015, 11:11:47 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 11:07:27 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2015, 11:06:00 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 10:55:34 AM
Hoyer acknowledging that, at some point, they're trading hitters to the Mets for pitchers. (http://chicago.suntimes.com/baseball/7/71/598222/young-stars-aligned-cubs-mets-deal-itll-happen-point-hoyer-says)
Quote
"I guess when you factor in the hitting and the pitching, I guess people think it's unusual," Hoyer said of the fact the teams haven't hooked up on a trade.
"But it'll happen at some point."
I guess I'm resigned to this fact now - after seeing Cubs pitching in action over the past month. They can have Alcantarra for deGrom. The fuckers.
Intrepid Reader: Sandy Alderson
Alcantara and how many more guys?
Jackson, McKinney, Murton and Ross.
Stop trading McKinney, you monster.
McKinney promoted to AA.
I assume we'll see an OF of McKinney, Almora and Rademacher with Hannemann getting exiled to loserville.
McKinney-Schwarber-Vogelbach at 2-3-4 is mighty fine.
This is good to hear, because we know how much Fork cares about the AA playoffs.
It's good to hear because it means that McKinney can destroy Tennessee the rest of this year, start next year in Iowa and then be the Cubs regular LF by June 2016 at 21 years old, with Bryant at 3B and Schwarber behind the plate.
Bonerville.
Oh I get why you're excited about Billy McKinney, I was just laughing about the "2-3-4" comment like the Tennessee batting order matters at all, and it reminded me of when we ribbed Fork last year for his comment about the Cubs keeping Bryant or Soler in Tennessee for the AA playoffs or...whatever, forget it.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 14, 2015, 02:44:42 PM
It's good to hear because it means that McKinney can destroy Tennessee the rest of this year, start next year in Iowa and then be the Cubs regular LF by June 2016 at 21 years old, with Bryant at 3B and Schwarber behind the plate.
It is so hard to tell if you're being serious when you talk about prospects. Impressive work.
Javy went 2-4 with no Ks today also.
Quote from: Eli on May 14, 2015, 02:53:13 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 14, 2015, 02:44:42 PM
It's good to hear because it means that McKinney can destroy Tennessee the rest of this year, start next year in Iowa and then be the Cubs regular LF by June 2016 at 21 years old, with Bryant at 3B and Schwarber behind the plate.
It is so hard to tell if you're being serious when you talk about prospects. Impressive work.
I am totally, except when I'm not.
But I do love Billy McKinney.
The big club is interesting again, you weird minor league following pederasts can close this thread down now.
Quote from: CT III on May 14, 2015, 09:10:43 PM
The big club is interesting again, you weird minor league following pederasts can close this thread down now.
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/360dd2ee01cd44e4f3d989aa3597ffdd/tumblr_inline_n4kip8Siah1svu8ku.gif)
Quote from: Eli on May 14, 2015, 09:20:17 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 14, 2015, 09:10:43 PM
The big club is interesting again, you weird minor league following pederasts can close this thread down now.
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/360dd2ee01cd44e4f3d989aa3597ffdd/tumblr_inline_n4kip8Siah1svu8ku.gif)
Quote from: PenFoe on May 14, 2015, 02:44:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 14, 2015, 02:42:08 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 14, 2015, 02:35:38 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 11:16:17 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2015, 11:11:47 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 11:07:27 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2015, 11:06:00 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 10:55:34 AM
Hoyer acknowledging that, at some point, they're trading hitters to the Mets for pitchers. (http://chicago.suntimes.com/baseball/7/71/598222/young-stars-aligned-cubs-mets-deal-itll-happen-point-hoyer-says)
Quote
"I guess when you factor in the hitting and the pitching, I guess people think it's unusual," Hoyer said of the fact the teams haven't hooked up on a trade.
"But it'll happen at some point."
I guess I'm resigned to this fact now - after seeing Cubs pitching in action over the past month. They can have Alcantarra for deGrom. The fuckers.
Intrepid Reader: Sandy Alderson
Alcantara and how many more guys?
Jackson, McKinney, Murton and Ross.
Stop trading McKinney, you monster.
McKinney promoted to AA.
I assume we'll see an OF of McKinney, Almora and Rademacher with Hannemann getting exiled to loserville.
McKinney-Schwarber-Vogelbach at 2-3-4 is mighty fine.
This is good to hear, because we know how much Fork cares about the AA playoffs.
It's good to hear because it means that McKinney can destroy Tennessee the rest of this year, start next year in Iowa and then be the Cubs regular LF by June 2016 at 21 years old, with Bryant at 3B and Schwarber behind the plate.
Bonerville.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if Almora gets to enjoy the ocean breezes in Myrtle Beach. He's starting to look stalled out.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 15, 2015, 09:45:30 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 14, 2015, 02:44:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 14, 2015, 02:42:08 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 14, 2015, 02:35:38 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 11:16:17 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2015, 11:11:47 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 11:07:27 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2015, 11:06:00 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 10:55:34 AM
Hoyer acknowledging that, at some point, they're trading hitters to the Mets for pitchers. (http://chicago.suntimes.com/baseball/7/71/598222/young-stars-aligned-cubs-mets-deal-itll-happen-point-hoyer-says)
Quote
"I guess when you factor in the hitting and the pitching, I guess people think it's unusual," Hoyer said of the fact the teams haven't hooked up on a trade.
"But it'll happen at some point."
I guess I'm resigned to this fact now - after seeing Cubs pitching in action over the past month. They can have Alcantarra for deGrom. The fuckers.
Intrepid Reader: Sandy Alderson
Alcantara and how many more guys?
Jackson, McKinney, Murton and Ross.
Stop trading McKinney, you monster.
McKinney promoted to AA.
I assume we'll see an OF of McKinney, Almora and Rademacher with Hannemann getting exiled to loserville.
McKinney-Schwarber-Vogelbach at 2-3-4 is mighty fine.
This is good to hear, because we know how much Fork cares about the AA playoffs.
It's good to hear because it means that McKinney can destroy Tennessee the rest of this year, start next year in Iowa and then be the Cubs regular LF by June 2016 at 21 years old, with Bryant at 3B and Schwarber behind the plate.
Bonerville.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if Almora gets to enjoy the ocean breezes in Myrtle Beach. He's starting to look stalled out.
"Starting to"
Quote from: SKO on May 15, 2015, 10:07:25 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 15, 2015, 09:45:30 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 14, 2015, 02:44:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 14, 2015, 02:42:08 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 14, 2015, 02:35:38 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 11:16:17 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2015, 11:11:47 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 11:07:27 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2015, 11:06:00 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 10:55:34 AM
Hoyer acknowledging that, at some point, they're trading hitters to the Mets for pitchers. (http://chicago.suntimes.com/baseball/7/71/598222/young-stars-aligned-cubs-mets-deal-itll-happen-point-hoyer-says)
Quote
"I guess when you factor in the hitting and the pitching, I guess people think it's unusual," Hoyer said of the fact the teams haven't hooked up on a trade.
"But it'll happen at some point."
I guess I'm resigned to this fact now - after seeing Cubs pitching in action over the past month. They can have Alcantarra for deGrom. The fuckers.
Intrepid Reader: Sandy Alderson
Alcantara and how many more guys?
Jackson, McKinney, Murton and Ross.
Stop trading McKinney, you monster.
McKinney promoted to AA.
I assume we'll see an OF of McKinney, Almora and Rademacher with Hannemann getting exiled to loserville.
McKinney-Schwarber-Vogelbach at 2-3-4 is mighty fine.
This is good to hear, because we know how much Fork cares about the AA playoffs.
It's good to hear because it means that McKinney can destroy Tennessee the rest of this year, start next year in Iowa and then be the Cubs regular LF by June 2016 at 21 years old, with Bryant at 3B and Schwarber behind the plate.
Bonerville.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if Almora gets to enjoy the ocean breezes in Myrtle Beach. He's starting to look stalled out.
"Starting to"
I'd demand an apology if I wasn't as wrong about Montero as I was right about Almora.
Quote from: Eli on May 15, 2015, 10:47:55 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 15, 2015, 10:07:25 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 15, 2015, 09:45:30 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 14, 2015, 02:44:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 14, 2015, 02:42:08 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 14, 2015, 02:35:38 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 11:16:17 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2015, 11:11:47 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 11:07:27 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2015, 11:06:00 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 10:55:34 AM
Hoyer acknowledging that, at some point, they're trading hitters to the Mets for pitchers. (http://chicago.suntimes.com/baseball/7/71/598222/young-stars-aligned-cubs-mets-deal-itll-happen-point-hoyer-says)
Quote
"I guess when you factor in the hitting and the pitching, I guess people think it's unusual," Hoyer said of the fact the teams haven't hooked up on a trade.
"But it'll happen at some point."
I guess I'm resigned to this fact now - after seeing Cubs pitching in action over the past month. They can have Alcantarra for deGrom. The fuckers.
Intrepid Reader: Sandy Alderson
Alcantara and how many more guys?
Jackson, McKinney, Murton and Ross.
Stop trading McKinney, you monster.
McKinney promoted to AA.
I assume we'll see an OF of McKinney, Almora and Rademacher with Hannemann getting exiled to loserville.
McKinney-Schwarber-Vogelbach at 2-3-4 is mighty fine.
This is good to hear, because we know how much Fork cares about the AA playoffs.
It's good to hear because it means that McKinney can destroy Tennessee the rest of this year, start next year in Iowa and then be the Cubs regular LF by June 2016 at 21 years old, with Bryant at 3B and Schwarber behind the plate.
Bonerville.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if Almora gets to enjoy the ocean breezes in Myrtle Beach. He's starting to look stalled out.
"Starting to"
I'd demand an apology if I wasn't as wrong about Montero as I was right about Almora.
Not going to disagree that Almora may well be a BUSTANZO BEAN but I can't imagine they'd demote him. Let him see if he can stop sucking ass on his own at AA; it's not looking they're wanting their minor league teams to win games.
Quote from: PANK! on May 15, 2015, 10:51:02 AM
Not going to disagree that Almora may well be a BUSTANZO BEAN but I can't imagine they'd demote him. Let him see if he can stop sucking ass on his own at AA; it's not looking they're wanting their minor league teams to win games.
I'm still not sure why he was promoted to AA in the first place last summer.
This is now my favorite thread because it gave birth to the term BUSTANZO BEAN.
Quote from: Eli on May 15, 2015, 10:57:08 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 15, 2015, 10:51:02 AM
Not going to disagree that Almora may well be a BUSTANZO BEAN but I can't imagine they'd demote him. Let him see if he can stop sucking ass on his own at AA; it's not looking they're wanting their minor league teams to win games.
I'm still not sure why he was promoted to AA in the first place last summer.
Agreed. Remember that they did it at the same time they promoted Baez to the bigs, and Soler to AAA if I'm not mistaken.
Almora's promotion seemed premature at the time and he's done little since then that would refute this. All the more reason to just leave him up now; he's already 100 games deep, let him try to figure it out here.
Quote from: R-V on May 15, 2015, 11:00:53 AM
This is now my favorite thread because it gave birth to the term BUSTANZO BEAN.
You're welcome.
Quote from: PANK! on May 15, 2015, 11:02:59 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 15, 2015, 10:57:08 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 15, 2015, 10:51:02 AM
Not going to disagree that Almora may well be a BUSTANZO BEAN but I can't imagine they'd demote him. Let him see if he can stop sucking ass on his own at AA; it's not looking they're wanting their minor league teams to win games.
I'm still not sure why he was promoted to AA in the first place last summer.
Agreed. Remember that they did it at the same time they promoted Baez to the bigs, and Soler to AAA if I'm not mistaken.
Almora's promotion seemed premature at the time and he's done little since then would refute this. All the more reason to just leave him up now; he's already 100 games deep, let him try to figure it out here.
It was right at the same time, but Almora had been hot at Daytona when they moved him up.
Granted, it was coming off of a long time of being pretty awful, but he was tearing it up for the 2-3 weeks before the move.
I assume they just got to the point where they wanted to see how he'd adjust.
Badly. The answer is badly.
Correction; Almora's played 59 games in AA. I stand by my point, however.
Yeah I can't imagine demoting him. What good will that do him? If he needs to beat up on A ball pitching to restore his confidence then his mental wherewithal is not Huey approved, and if he should get demoted and still struggle I'd have to imagine he'd just be done.
Quote from: SKO on May 15, 2015, 10:07:25 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 15, 2015, 09:45:30 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 14, 2015, 02:44:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 14, 2015, 02:42:08 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 14, 2015, 02:35:38 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 11:16:17 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2015, 11:11:47 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 11:07:27 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2015, 11:06:00 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2015, 10:55:34 AM
Hoyer acknowledging that, at some point, they're trading hitters to the Mets for pitchers. (http://chicago.suntimes.com/baseball/7/71/598222/young-stars-aligned-cubs-mets-deal-itll-happen-point-hoyer-says)
Quote
"I guess when you factor in the hitting and the pitching, I guess people think it's unusual," Hoyer said of the fact the teams haven't hooked up on a trade.
"But it'll happen at some point."
I guess I'm resigned to this fact now - after seeing Cubs pitching in action over the past month. They can have Alcantarra for deGrom. The fuckers.
Intrepid Reader: Sandy Alderson
Alcantara and how many more guys?
Jackson, McKinney, Murton and Ross.
Stop trading McKinney, you monster.
McKinney promoted to AA.
I assume we'll see an OF of McKinney, Almora and Rademacher with Hannemann getting exiled to loserville.
McKinney-Schwarber-Vogelbach at 2-3-4 is mighty fine.
This is good to hear, because we know how much Fork cares about the AA playoffs.
It's good to hear because it means that McKinney can destroy Tennessee the rest of this year, start next year in Iowa and then be the Cubs regular LF by June 2016 at 21 years old, with Bryant at 3B and Schwarber behind the plate.
Bonerville.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if Almora gets to enjoy the ocean breezes in Myrtle Beach. He's starting to look stalled out.
"Starting to"
He had a batter August than July in AA last year, and he was hitting around .400 in a ten-game stretch a week or so ago. He's shown glimmers here and there, but any progress he might have had coming into this season is gone.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 15, 2015, 11:14:38 AM
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Hoyer acknowledging that, at some point, they're trading hitters to the Mets for pitchers. (http://chicago.suntimes.com/baseball/7/71/598222/young-stars-aligned-cubs-mets-deal-itll-happen-point-hoyer-says)
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"I guess when you factor in the hitting and the pitching, I guess people think it's unusual," Hoyer said of the fact the teams haven't hooked up on a trade.
"But it'll happen at some point."
I guess I'm resigned to this fact now - after seeing Cubs pitching in action over the past month. They can have Alcantarra for deGrom. The fuckers.
Intrepid Reader: Sandy Alderson
Alcantara and how many more guys?
Jackson, McKinney, Murton and Ross.
Stop trading McKinney, you monster.
McKinney promoted to AA.
I assume we'll see an OF of McKinney, Almora and Rademacher with Hannemann getting exiled to loserville.
McKinney-Schwarber-Vogelbach at 2-3-4 is mighty fine.
This is good to hear, because we know how much Fork cares about the AA playoffs.
It's good to hear because it means that McKinney can destroy Tennessee the rest of this year, start next year in Iowa and then be the Cubs regular LF by June 2016 at 21 years old, with Bryant at 3B and Schwarber behind the plate.
Bonerville.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if Almora gets to enjoy the ocean breezes in Myrtle Beach. He's starting to look stalled out.
"Starting to"
He had a batter August than July in AA last year, and he was hitting around .400 in a ten-game stretch a week or so ago. He's shown glimmers here and there, but any progress he might have had coming into this season is gone.
For all his defensive wizardry, Almora isn't even playing everyday in CF anymore. They had him in LF last night with Hannemann in CF (who despite being awful with the bat, is another very good defender (http://www.milb.com/multimedia/vpp.jsp?content_id=115824083&sid=milb).)
Good thing Billy McKinney is now in AA to mend our broken hearts.
First game in AA last night: 2-4, 2 doubles, playing in RF.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 15, 2015, 11:14:38 AM
He had a batter August than July in AA last year, and he was hitting around .400 in a ten-game stretch a week or so ago. He's shown glimmers here and there, but any progress he might have had coming into this season is gone.
That's a lot of squinting just to see if he doesn't totally suck. He's got 3 extra-base hits in 102 at-bats this year and for all the talk of him walking more, he's still only at a 5.9% walk rate. He's just not going to hit enough to be a factor, barring a drastic improvement.
Quote from: Eli on May 15, 2015, 11:22:17 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 15, 2015, 11:14:38 AM
He had a batter August than July in AA last year, and he was hitting around .400 in a ten-game stretch a week or so ago. He's shown glimmers here and there, but any progress he might have had coming into this season is gone.
That's a lot of squinting just to see if he doesn't totally suck. He's got 3 extra-base hits in 102 at-bats this year and for all the talk of him walking more, he's still only at a 5.9% walk rate. He's just not going to hit enough to be a factor, barring a drastic improvement.
"He didn't suck every game, just most of the games!"
Quote from: SKO on May 15, 2015, 11:26:54 AM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 15, 2015, 11:14:38 AM
He had a batter August than July in AA last year, and he was hitting around .400 in a ten-game stretch a week or so ago. He's shown glimmers here and there, but any progress he might have had coming into this season is gone.
That's a lot of squinting just to see if he doesn't totally suck. He's got 3 extra-base hits in 102 at-bats this year and for all the talk of him walking more, he's still only at a 5.9% walk rate. He's just not going to hit enough to be a factor, barring a drastic improvement.
"He didn't suck every game, just most of the games!"
We're all just done with Almora now, right?
Is anyone still arguing this?
Whoever was right about this (Eli? SKO?) just take a bow and let's move on.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 15, 2015, 11:28:45 AM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 15, 2015, 11:14:38 AM
He had a batter August than July in AA last year, and he was hitting around .400 in a ten-game stretch a week or so ago. He's shown glimmers here and there, but any progress he might have had coming into this season is gone.
That's a lot of squinting just to see if he doesn't totally suck. He's got 3 extra-base hits in 102 at-bats this year and for all the talk of him walking more, he's still only at a 5.9% walk rate. He's just not going to hit enough to be a factor, barring a drastic improvement.
"He didn't suck every game, just most of the games!"
We're all just done with Almora now, right?
Is anyone still arguing this?
Whoever was right about this (Eli? SKO?) just take a bow and let's move on.
The defense rests...for now...
I'm all about pitching in to pull this newfangled Billy McKinney Gingerbread Wagon though. This guys's actually 6 months younger than Albert (thus eliminating what had been one of the last lines of defense for the latter....that he's SO YOUNG).
Quote from: PenFoe on May 15, 2015, 11:28:45 AM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 15, 2015, 11:14:38 AM
He had a batter August than July in AA last year, and he was hitting around .400 in a ten-game stretch a week or so ago. He's shown glimmers here and there, but any progress he might have had coming into this season is gone.
That's a lot of squinting just to see if he doesn't totally suck. He's got 3 extra-base hits in 102 at-bats this year and for all the talk of him walking more, he's still only at a 5.9% walk rate. He's just not going to hit enough to be a factor, barring a drastic improvement.
"He didn't suck every game, just most of the games!"
We're all just done with Almora now, right?
Is anyone still arguing this?
Whoever was right about this (Eli? SKO?) just take a bow and let's move on.
*bows*. Now can McKinney play center? What's his BMI?
Quote from: SKO on May 15, 2015, 11:34:00 AM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 15, 2015, 11:14:38 AM
He had a batter August than July in AA last year, and he was hitting around .400 in a ten-game stretch a week or so ago. He's shown glimmers here and there, but any progress he might have had coming into this season is gone.
That's a lot of squinting just to see if he doesn't totally suck. He's got 3 extra-base hits in 102 at-bats this year and for all the talk of him walking more, he's still only at a 5.9% walk rate. He's just not going to hit enough to be a factor, barring a drastic improvement.
"He didn't suck every game, just most of the games!"
We're all just done with Almora now, right?
Is anyone still arguing this?
Whoever was right about this (Eli? SKO?) just take a bow and let's move on.
*bows*. Now can McKinney play center? What's his BMI?
no
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 15, 2015, 11:14:38 AM
He had a batter August than July in AA last year, and he was hitting around .400 in a ten-game stretch a week or so ago. He's shown glimmers here and there, but any progress he might have had coming into this season is gone.
That's a lot of squinting just to see if he doesn't totally suck. He's got 3 extra-base hits in 102 at-bats this year and for all the talk of him walking more, he's still only at a 5.9% walk rate. He's just not going to hit enough to be a factor, barring a drastic improvement.
"He didn't suck every game, just most of the games!"
We're all just done with Almora now, right?
Is anyone still arguing this?
Whoever was right about this (Eli? SKO?) just take a bow and let's move on.
*bows*. Now can McKinney play center? What's his BMI?
no
McKinney came up as a CF, but they're not expecting him to be able to stick there. 27.0 BMI and all.
Luckily, Dexter Fowler (23.1 BMI) can play CF and they can just re-sign him for 3/$40 after this season and then trade him in 18 months.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 15, 2015, 11:37:24 AM
Luckily, Dexter Fowler can play CF and they can just re-sign him for 3/$40 after this season and then trade him in 18 months.
I definitely hope they're able to keep him around for a few more years.
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Luckily, Dexter Fowler can play CF and they can just re-sign him for 3/$40 after this season and then trade him in 18 months.
I definitely hope they're able to keep him around for a few more years.
Yes please. Since Almora might be the Cubs' Brian Anderson if he ever gets here, there's really no one else to contribute in center until the lower-level guys they have coming are ready. Unless Arismendy (.224/.280/.471 at Iowa) arises from the dead.
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Luckily, Dexter Fowler can play CF and they can just re-sign him for 3/$40 after this season and then trade him in 18 months.
I definitely hope they're able to keep him around for a few more years.
Yes please. Since Almora might be the Cubs' Brian Anderson if he ever gets here, there's really no one else to contribute in center until the lower-level guys they have coming are ready. Unless Arismendy (.224/.280/.471 at Iowa) arises from the dead.
Jesus, Mendy. Get it together, dude.
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 15, 2015, 11:14:38 AM
He had a batter August than July in AA last year, and he was hitting around .400 in a ten-game stretch a week or so ago. He's shown glimmers here and there, but any progress he might have had coming into this season is gone.
That's a lot of squinting just to see if he doesn't totally suck. He's got 3 extra-base hits in 102 at-bats this year and for all the talk of him walking more, he's still only at a 5.9% walk rate. He's just not going to hit enough to be a factor, barring a drastic improvement.
I want every Cubs minor leaguer to not suck, despite logic telling me that there's just a small handful of guys at any level who will ever have any significant tenure at the major league level.
Almora just looked so damn good at Kane County that I was disappointed at how quickly he rolled off the table.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 15, 2015, 01:52:56 PM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 15, 2015, 11:14:38 AM
He had a batter August than July in AA last year, and he was hitting around .400 in a ten-game stretch a week or so ago. He's shown glimmers here and there, but any progress he might have had coming into this season is gone.
That's a lot of squinting just to see if he doesn't totally suck. He's got 3 extra-base hits in 102 at-bats this year and for all the talk of him walking more, he's still only at a 5.9% walk rate. He's just not going to hit enough to be a factor, barring a drastic improvement.
I want every Cubs minor leaguer to not suck, despite logic telling me that there's just a small handful of guys at any level who will ever have any significant tenure at the major league level.
Almora just looked so damn good at Kane County that I was disappointed at how quickly he rolled off the table.
Fork and Arguello SCOUTED him
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 15, 2015, 01:52:56 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 15, 2015, 11:22:17 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 15, 2015, 11:14:38 AM
He had a batter August than July in AA last year, and he was hitting around .400 in a ten-game stretch a week or so ago. He's shown glimmers here and there, but any progress he might have had coming into this season is gone.
That's a lot of squinting just to see if he doesn't totally suck. He's got 3 extra-base hits in 102 at-bats this year and for all the talk of him walking more, he's still only at a 5.9% walk rate. He's just not going to hit enough to be a factor, barring a drastic improvement.
I want every Cubs minor leaguer to not suck, despite logic telling me that there's just a small handful of guys at any level who will ever have any significant tenure at the major league level.
Almora just looked so damn good at Kane County that I was disappointed at how quickly he rolled off the table.
Hey, I'm bummed too since we were basically promised center-field Derek Jeter after he was drafted.
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 15, 2015, 01:52:56 PM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 15, 2015, 11:14:38 AM
He had a batter August than July in AA last year, and he was hitting around .400 in a ten-game stretch a week or so ago. He's shown glimmers here and there, but any progress he might have had coming into this season is gone.
That's a lot of squinting just to see if he doesn't totally suck. He's got 3 extra-base hits in 102 at-bats this year and for all the talk of him walking more, he's still only at a 5.9% walk rate. He's just not going to hit enough to be a factor, barring a drastic improvement.
I want every Cubs minor leaguer to not suck, despite logic telling me that there's just a small handful of guys at any level who will ever have any significant tenure at the major league level.
Almora just looked so damn good at Kane County that I was disappointed at how quickly he rolled off the table.
Fork and Arguello SCOUTED him
I also scouted the BBQ pork chop sandwich in Kane County. That's a big league sandwich.
Quote from: Eli on May 15, 2015, 02:19:06 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 15, 2015, 01:52:56 PM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 15, 2015, 11:14:38 AM
He had a batter August than July in AA last year, and he was hitting around .400 in a ten-game stretch a week or so ago. He's shown glimmers here and there, but any progress he might have had coming into this season is gone.
That's a lot of squinting just to see if he doesn't totally suck. He's got 3 extra-base hits in 102 at-bats this year and for all the talk of him walking more, he's still only at a 5.9% walk rate. He's just not going to hit enough to be a factor, barring a drastic improvement.
I want every Cubs minor leaguer to not suck, despite logic telling me that there's just a small handful of guys at any level who will ever have any significant tenure at the major league level.
Almora just looked so damn good at Kane County that I was disappointed at how quickly he rolled off the table.
Hey, I'm bummed too since we were basically promised center-field Derek Jeter after he was drafted.
There's a decent chance that not a single hitter from the Cubs 2012 draft will ever make the bigs in Chicago.
Duane Underwood and
maybe Pierce Johnson are really the only things still going from that draft.
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 15, 2015, 11:14:38 AM
He had a batter August than July in AA last year, and he was hitting around .400 in a ten-game stretch a week or so ago. He's shown glimmers here and there, but any progress he might have had coming into this season is gone.
That's a lot of squinting just to see if he doesn't totally suck. He's got 3 extra-base hits in 102 at-bats this year and for all the talk of him walking more, he's still only at a 5.9% walk rate. He's just not going to hit enough to be a factor, barring a drastic improvement.
I want every Cubs minor leaguer to not suck, despite logic telling me that there's just a small handful of guys at any level who will ever have any significant tenure at the major league level.
Almora just looked so damn good at Kane County that I was disappointed at how quickly he rolled off the table.
Hey, I'm bummed too since we were basically promised center-field Derek Jeter after he was drafted.
There's a decent chance that not a single hitter from the Cubs 2012 draft will ever make the bigs in Chicago.
Duane Underwood and maybe Pierce Johnson are really the only things still going from that draft.
Jeez, remember when Dillon Maples was going to be a thing?
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Quote from: Eli on May 15, 2015, 11:22:17 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 15, 2015, 11:14:38 AM
He had a batter August than July in AA last year, and he was hitting around .400 in a ten-game stretch a week or so ago. He's shown glimmers here and there, but any progress he might have had coming into this season is gone.
That's a lot of squinting just to see if he doesn't totally suck. He's got 3 extra-base hits in 102 at-bats this year and for all the talk of him walking more, he's still only at a 5.9% walk rate. He's just not going to hit enough to be a factor, barring a drastic improvement.
I want every Cubs minor leaguer to not suck, despite logic telling me that there's just a small handful of guys at any level who will ever have any significant tenure at the major league level.
Almora just looked so damn good at Kane County that I was disappointed at how quickly he rolled off the table.
Hey, I'm bummed too since we were basically promised center-field Derek Jeter after he was drafted.
There's a decent chance that not a single hitter from the Cubs 2012 draft will ever make the bigs in Chicago.
Duane Underwood and maybe Pierce Johnson are really the only things still going from that draft.
Jeez, remember when Dillon Maples was going to be a thing?
No
I have a question and I don't know if the idea behind it is dumb or not. Okay, so Javier Baez was taken out of a game at AAA early and all of Twitter started speculating (wrongly) that he would be promoted to play 3B and Bryant would move to LF.
Now, here's my idea...or question...why are we assuming that Bryant has to move? Why not Baez in LF?
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I have a question and I don't know if the idea behind it is dumb or not. Okay, so Javier Baez was taken out of a game at AAA early and all of Twitter started speculating (wrongly) that he would be promoted to play 3B and Bryant would move to LF.
Now, here's my idea...or question...why are we assuming that Bryant has to move? Why not Baez in LF?
It's a fair question, I suppose. We saw enough of Baez last year to know he's pretty athletic, certainly no less of an athlete as Bryant.
Quote from: PANK! on May 18, 2015, 08:41:29 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 18, 2015, 08:38:12 AM
I have a question and I don't know if the idea behind it is dumb or not. Okay, so Javier Baez was taken out of a game at AAA early and all of Twitter started speculating (wrongly) that he would be promoted to play 3B and Bryant would move to LF.
Now, here's my idea...or question...why are we assuming that Bryant has to move? Why not Baez in LF?
It's a fair question, I suppose. We saw enough of Baez last year to know he's pretty athletic, certainly no less of an athlete as Bryant.
I read a little more and Baez last played 3B in the AFL two years ago and didn't play it so well. I guess, here's my thing...I don't hate Kris Bryant's defense at third. I've seen a few bobbles and there's the patty cake thing, but other than that he's long, he plays intelligently and he does have a great arm. That plays in LF too, though (as we saw earlier this year).
I guess it doesn't really matter so long as the bats are all in the lineup at some point, but the Cubs are facing a bit of an awesome baseball player numbers crunch when Baez does get called up and I think putting him in LF would be way easier than putting him at 3B, especially at this point in the Cubs season with them winning and all.
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I have a question and I don't know if the idea behind it is dumb or not. Okay, so Javier Baez was taken out of a game at AAA early and all of Twitter started speculating (wrongly) that he would be promoted to play 3B and Bryant would move to LF.
Now, here's my idea...or question...why are we assuming that Bryant has to move? Why not Baez in LF?
It's a fair question, I suppose. We saw enough of Baez last year to know he's pretty athletic, certainly no less of an athlete as Bryant.
I read a little more and Baez last played 3B in the AFL two years ago and didn't play it so well. I guess, here's my thing...I don't hate Kris Bryant's defense at third. I've seen a few bobbles and there's the patty cake thing, but other than that he's long, he plays intelligently and he does have a great arm. That plays in LF too, though (as we saw earlier this year).
I guess it doesn't really matter so long as the bats are all in the lineup at some point, but the Cubs are facing a bit of an awesome baseball player numbers crunch when Baez does get called up and I think putting him in LF would be way easier than putting him at 3B, especially at this point in the Cubs season with them winning and all.
I wonder if he's been told to do that 'double-tap' thing on throws to first for the time being, to make sure he doesn't rush. Did he do it in the minors, do we know? Because it seemed to me that, after he just missed whoever it was yesterday, he looked into the dugout as if to say 'look what you made me do'.
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Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 18, 2015, 08:38:12 AM
I have a question and I don't know if the idea behind it is dumb or not. Okay, so Javier Baez was taken out of a game at AAA early and all of Twitter started speculating (wrongly) that he would be promoted to play 3B and Bryant would move to LF.
Now, here's my idea...or question...why are we assuming that Bryant has to move? Why not Baez in LF?
It's a fair question, I suppose. We saw enough of Baez last year to know he's pretty athletic, certainly no less of an athlete as Bryant.
I read a little more and Baez last played 3B in the AFL two years ago and didn't play it so well. I guess, here's my thing...I don't hate Kris Bryant's defense at third. I've seen a few bobbles and there's the patty cake thing, but other than that he's long, he plays intelligently and he does have a great arm. That plays in LF too, though (as we saw earlier this year).
I guess it doesn't really matter so long as the bats are all in the lineup at some point, but the Cubs are facing a bit of an awesome baseball player numbers crunch when Baez does get called up and I think putting him in LF would be way easier than putting him at 3B, especially at this point in the Cubs season with them winning and all.
I wonder if he's been told to do that 'double-tap' thing on throws to first for the time being, to make sure he doesn't rush. Did he do it in the minors, do we know? Because it seemed to me that, after he just missed whoever it was yesterday, he looked into the dugout as if to say 'look what you made me do'.
Not coincidentally, the throws up the line that were endangering Rizzo's life seem to have gone down.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 18, 2015, 08:59:09 AM
Quote from: Tonker on May 18, 2015, 08:53:59 AM
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Quote from: PANK! on May 18, 2015, 08:41:29 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 18, 2015, 08:38:12 AM
I have a question and I don't know if the idea behind it is dumb or not. Okay, so Javier Baez was taken out of a game at AAA early and all of Twitter started speculating (wrongly) that he would be promoted to play 3B and Bryant would move to LF.
Now, here's my idea...or question...why are we assuming that Bryant has to move? Why not Baez in LF?
It's a fair question, I suppose. We saw enough of Baez last year to know he's pretty athletic, certainly no less of an athlete as Bryant.
I read a little more and Baez last played 3B in the AFL two years ago and didn't play it so well. I guess, here's my thing...I don't hate Kris Bryant's defense at third. I've seen a few bobbles and there's the patty cake thing, but other than that he's long, he plays intelligently and he does have a great arm. That plays in LF too, though (as we saw earlier this year).
I guess it doesn't really matter so long as the bats are all in the lineup at some point, but the Cubs are facing a bit of an awesome baseball player numbers crunch when Baez does get called up and I think putting him in LF would be way easier than putting him at 3B, especially at this point in the Cubs season with them winning and all.
I wonder if he's been told to do that 'double-tap' thing on throws to first for the time being, to make sure he doesn't rush. Did he do it in the minors, do we know? Because it seemed to me that, after he just missed whoever it was yesterday, he looked into the dugout as if to say 'look what you made me do'.
Not coincidentally, the throws up the line that were endangering Rizzo's life seem to have gone down.
I've noticed that too. Those are the most frustrating throws for a 1st baseman to field.
Pen said something in the SBox*--that he expected next to nothing from Alcantara and Baez now--and I had to check myself because I feel like I've written off Alcantara almost completely (this year) while giving Baez the benefit of the doubt as he went through his life traumas recently. He's now back in Iowa, hitting about .300 with a 25% K rate. And as he was removed yesterday from his game with Iowa and Twitter went nuts, I thought "Oh no, it's too soon."
Thankfully, he wasn't called up. I think we have to have a bigger sample of Baez doing more of what he's done so far...the average doesn't have to be Schwarber-esque (it'd be nice), but I'd like to see continued patience and a little more advanced approach before he is called up. Maddon likes him a lot, so I think we'll definitely see him again even if his slashes fall a tad.
I still have hope.
*I'm not calling you out, Pen. It did make me think about Baez as he has sort of been forgotten since he dealt with that personal loss and it delayed any adjustments he was supposed to work on after his demotion.
I haven't written off Javy. I don't know what we can reasonably expect from him, but his line now at Iowa is very encouraging, all I know is I'll legitimately be furious if the Cubs were to write him off without ever giving him a chance to rebound with them at the major league level. His potential is such that you don't give up on a dude like that after one abysmal stint. Hell Rizzo's first MLB stint with the Padres was nearly as awful as what Javy did last year.
Mendy struggling at Iowa is the sadness. He'd be a super useful utility guy if he could ever get his shit straightened out.
Quote from: SKO on May 18, 2015, 01:53:29 PM
I haven't written off Javy. I don't know what we can reasonably expect from him, but his line now at Iowa is very encouraging, all I know is I'll legitimately be furious if the Cubs were to write him off without ever giving him a chance to rebound with them at the major league level. His potential is such that you don't give up on a dude like that after one abysmal stint. Hell Rizzo's first MLB stint with the Padres was nearly as awful as what Javy did last year.
Mendy struggling at Iowa is the sadness. He'd be a super useful utility guy if he could ever get his shit straightened out.
I don't think they'd "give up" on either but if there's a chance to add a 1 or 2 starter and the cost is one of those guys is it really "giving up"? Maybe I'm talkin semantics here but giving up on a guy would be DFA or trading him for one player who is not a star.
But if you're saying you hope Baez gets one more long look as a Cub I agree with you.
Quote from: Slaky on May 18, 2015, 01:56:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 18, 2015, 01:53:29 PM
I haven't written off Javy. I don't know what we can reasonably expect from him, but his line now at Iowa is very encouraging, all I know is I'll legitimately be furious if the Cubs were to write him off without ever giving him a chance to rebound with them at the major league level. His potential is such that you don't give up on a dude like that after one abysmal stint. Hell Rizzo's first MLB stint with the Padres was nearly as awful as what Javy did last year.
Mendy struggling at Iowa is the sadness. He'd be a super useful utility guy if he could ever get his shit straightened out.
I don't think they'd "give up" on either but if there's a chance to add a 1 or 2 starter and the cost is one of those guys is it really "giving up"? Maybe I'm talkin semantics here but giving up on a guy would be DFA or trading him for one player who is not a star.
But if you're saying you hope Baez gets one more long look as a Cub I agree with you.
If the only way they can get a Cole Hamels is to give up Baez, I'd probably do it. But if, say, the Phillies would take any one Castro/Baez/Russell, I'd want to see if Baez can show something in a second go round before I pulled that trigger. Because loathe as I am to trade Castro if Javy has figured it out at all he'd be a more valuable player than Castro. Javy can hit .225 and probably smash 25-30 homers.
TL;DR: please don't trade Javy only to have him hit 40 homers in Philly. At least give him one more shot of hitting 40 homers here.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 18, 2015, 01:50:01 PM
Pen said something in the SBox*--that he expected next to nothing from Alcantara and Baez now--and I had to check myself because I feel like I've written off Alcantara almost completely (this year) while giving Baez the benefit of the doubt as he went through his life traumas recently. He's now back in Iowa, hitting about .300 with a 25% K rate. And as he was removed yesterday from his game with Iowa and Twitter went nuts, I thought "Oh no, it's too soon."
Thankfully, he wasn't called up. I think we have to have a bigger sample of Baez doing more of what he's done so far...the average doesn't have to be Schwarber-esque (it'd be nice), but I'd like to see continued patience and a little more advanced approach before he is called up. Maddon likes him a lot, so I think we'll definitely see him again even if his slashes fall a tad.
I still have hope.
*I'm not calling you out, Pen. It did make me think about Baez as he has sort of been forgotten since he dealt with that personal loss and it delayed any adjustments he was supposed to work on after his demotion.
I hope he kicks the shit out of Iowa. I hope they call him up and give him a position he can play long-term (3B/LF, whatever.)
I'm just not that hopeful, even taking into consideration his current performance in Iowa.
But I sure as shit hope it happens. If Schwarber can somehow stick at catcher, and they can find some magic between Baez/Bryant to play LF/3B then there are basically no holes left to fill.
Or Baez figures it out, they trade Castro and have Baez/Russell at second and short. Clearly he has higher upside than Castro. It would all be magical unicorns and rainbows.
I'm just not expecting it.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 18, 2015, 02:13:05 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 18, 2015, 01:50:01 PM
Pen said something in the SBox*--that he expected next to nothing from Alcantara and Baez now--and I had to check myself because I feel like I've written off Alcantara almost completely (this year) while giving Baez the benefit of the doubt as he went through his life traumas recently. He's now back in Iowa, hitting about .300 with a 25% K rate. And as he was removed yesterday from his game with Iowa and Twitter went nuts, I thought "Oh no, it's too soon."
Thankfully, he wasn't called up. I think we have to have a bigger sample of Baez doing more of what he's done so far...the average doesn't have to be Schwarber-esque (it'd be nice), but I'd like to see continued patience and a little more advanced approach before he is called up. Maddon likes him a lot, so I think we'll definitely see him again even if his slashes fall a tad.
I still have hope.
*I'm not calling you out, Pen. It did make me think about Baez as he has sort of been forgotten since he dealt with that personal loss and it delayed any adjustments he was supposed to work on after his demotion.
I hope he kicks the shit out of Iowa. I hope they call him up and give him a position he can play long-term (3B/LF, whatever.)
I'm just not that hopeful, even taking into consideration his current performance in Iowa.
But I sure as shit hope it happens. If Schwarber can somehow stick at catcher, and they can find some magic between Baez/Bryant to play LF/3B then there are basically no holes left to fill.
Or Baez figures it out, they trade Castro and have Baez/Russell at second and short. Clearly he has higher upside than Castro. It would all be magical unicorns and rainbows.
I'm just not expecting it.
Yeah, that's all fair. I have no idea what I expect from him either, I just know I want him to get one more shot before they move on in any way.
Anyone been following this Albert Almora kid playing center field down at Tennessee? Great glove, great makeup according to all the reports, his walk percentage has jumped from an awful 2.6% last year to 6.7% this year, and his strikeout rate is less than 10%.
Quote from: R-V on May 18, 2015, 05:10:25 PM
Anyone been following this Albert Almora kid playing center field down at Tennessee? Great glove, great makeup according to all the reports, his walk percentage has jumped from an awful 2.6% last year to 6.7% this year, and his strikeout rate is less than 10%.
Metasnark aside, he's actually playing RF right now so Hannemann can continue his march to mediocrity in CF.
Baez and Mendy both have corrections to make, and there's really no reason to not expect them to make those corrections. The difference between last year and this year is that there aren't holes in the lineup for them to slot into. That's good for all concerned. Both guys can take as much time as is required to figure things out and help the Cubs in the future, either as players or as components in a trade that brings a (presumably) valuable asset.
In fact, other than LF and CF (Until he signs a new deal, Fowler can't be viewed as anything other than transient), there are no open non-pitching roles. Which means nobody comes in until they are 100% ready. So if that means Baez spends the summer in Iowa getting his strikeouts down and demolishing the Pacific Coast League until September 1, it's fine with me.
Quote from: R-V on May 18, 2015, 05:10:25 PM
Anyone been following this Albert Almora kid playing center field down at Tennessee? Great glove, great makeup according to all the reports, his walk percentage has jumped from an awful 2.6% last year to 6.7% this year, and his strikeout rate is less than 10%.
Anyone ever hear of that historical figure, Adolf Hitler? Gifted speaker, decorated WWI veteran, mastermind behind the Autobahn and Volkswagen.
Quote from: Eli on May 18, 2015, 09:04:31 PM
Quote from: R-V on May 18, 2015, 05:10:25 PM
Anyone been following this Albert Almora kid playing center field down at Tennessee? Great glove, great makeup according to all the reports, his walk percentage has jumped from an awful 2.6% last year to 6.7% this year, and his strikeout rate is less than 10%.
Anyone ever hear of that historical figure, Adolf Hitler? Gifted speaker, decorated WWI veteran, mastermind behind the Autobahn and Volkswagen.
I heard that guy was an atheist.
NULLDOZER WATCH: 5 IP, 12 hits, 1 BB, and 5 R. His ERA jumped from 0.74 to 1.73...yesterday was a disaster for Tennessee.
I know actual, living, breathing, normally smart human beings who think the Cubs shouldn't trade an "elite hitting prospect" like Dan Vogelbach (unless it's like 1:1 for Hamels or Cueto) because the DH "might" be coming to the NL soon. I wanted to pound my head against my desk. Is this what it feels like to be Eli?
Eloy's coming.
Quote
The Eloy Jimenez HR gives him the team lead with two, and he is now hitting 317/348/583 in 19 Cactus League EXST games (66 PA). In addition to the two home runs, Eloy also has four doubles and is tied for the team lead in triples with three (tied with Kevin Encarnacion), and he leads the team in RBI (15 ) and in runs scored (11). He has three walks and ten strikeouts in the 66 PA, and he has also stolen three bases (no CS).
Quote from: PenFoe on May 21, 2015, 07:14:55 PM
Eloy's coming.
Quote
The Eloy Jimenez HR gives him the team lead with two, and he is now hitting 317/348/583 in 19 Cactus League EXST games (66 PA). In addition to the two home runs, Eloy also has four doubles and is tied for the team lead in triples with three (tied with Kevin Encarnacion), and he leads the team in RBI (15 ) and in runs scored (11). He has three walks and ten strikeouts in the 66 PA, and he has also stolen three bases (no CS).
In like 8 years.
Gleyber got hurt running out a grounder. Thanks SKO and Eli.
Quote from: Yeti on May 21, 2015, 07:52:19 PM
Gleyber got hurt running out a grounder. Thanks SKO and Eli.
If they'd traded him this morning like I suggested, everything would be fine.
Ryan Williams' stat line (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?sid=milb&player_id=657123#/career/R/pitching/2015/ALL) is some video game shit.
7 starts, 45 innings, 0.59 ERA, 35K 2BB.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 23, 2015, 07:24:04 AM
Ryan Williams' stat line (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?sid=milb&player_id=657123#/career/R/pitching/2015/ALL) is some video game shit.
7 starts, 45 innings, 0.59 ERA, 35K 2BB.
He's a college guy in low A ball. Not really fair.
Quote from: Eli on May 23, 2015, 07:25:36 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 23, 2015, 07:24:04 AM
Ryan Williams' stat line (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?sid=milb&player_id=657123#/career/R/pitching/2015/ALL) is some video game shit.
7 starts, 45 innings, 0.59 ERA, 35K 2BB.
He's a college guy in low A ball. Not really fair.
Yeah, but there are other college guys in the Midwest League, and none of them have numbers like these.
Don't look now but Baez is up to .322/.404/.540 (.944 OPS) at Iowa, 9 walks, 24 strikeouts in 96 plate appearances (maybe more...I wasn't able to see HBP and SF's in his stats). Don't see how he's played on defense but I saw enough of him with the glove last year to not worry about it.
Quote from: PANK! on May 25, 2015, 10:49:27 AM
Don't look now but Baez is up to .322/.404/.540 (.944 OPS) at Iowa, 9 walks, 24 strikeouts in 96 plate appearances (maybe more...I wasn't able to see HBP and SF's in his stats). Don't see how he's played on defense but I saw enough of him with the glove last year to not worry about it.
He's actually be pretty terrible on defense.
As man errors as Castro and Russell combined in a lot less games.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 25, 2015, 11:07:24 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 25, 2015, 10:49:27 AM
Don't look now but Baez is up to .322/.404/.540 (.944 OPS) at Iowa, 9 walks, 24 strikeouts in 96 plate appearances (maybe more...I wasn't able to see HBP and SF's in his stats). Don't see how he's played on defense but I saw enough of him with the glove last year to not worry about it.
He's actually be pretty terrible on defense.
As man errors as Castro and Russell combined in a lot less games.
Man errors are the
worst.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 25, 2015, 11:07:24 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 25, 2015, 10:49:27 AM
Don't look now but Baez is up to .322/.404/.540 (.944 OPS) at Iowa, 9 walks, 24 strikeouts in 96 plate appearances (maybe more...I wasn't able to see HBP and SF's in his stats). Don't see how he's played on defense but I saw enough of him with the glove last year to not worry about it.
He's actually be pretty terrible on defense.
As man errors as Castro and Russell combined in a lot less games.
Fewer
Quote from: PANK! on May 25, 2015, 11:43:46 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 25, 2015, 11:07:24 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 25, 2015, 10:49:27 AM
Don't look now but Baez is up to .322/.404/.540 (.944 OPS) at Iowa, 9 walks, 24 strikeouts in 96 plate appearances (maybe more...I wasn't able to see HBP and SF's in his stats). Don't see how he's played on defense but I saw enough of him with the glove last year to not worry about it.
He's actually be pretty terrible on defense.
As man errors as Castro and Russell combined in a lot less games.
Fewer
In PANKworld, "He's actually be" and "As man errors" are unremarkable, but using "less" instead of "fewer" is unforgivable.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on May 25, 2015, 12:03:05 PM
Quote from: PANK! on May 25, 2015, 11:43:46 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 25, 2015, 11:07:24 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 25, 2015, 10:49:27 AM
Don't look now but Baez is up to .322/.404/.540 (.944 OPS) at Iowa, 9 walks, 24 strikeouts in 96 plate appearances (maybe more...I wasn't able to see HBP and SF's in his stats). Don't see how he's played on defense but I saw enough of him with the glove last year to not worry about it.
He's actually be pretty terrible on defense.
As man errors as Castro and Russell combined in a lot less games.
Fewer
In PANKworld, "He's actually be" and "As man errors" are unremarkable, but using "less" instead of "fewer" is unforgivable.
I have strangled men for less.
Quote from: Tonker on May 25, 2015, 11:35:01 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 25, 2015, 11:07:24 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 25, 2015, 10:49:27 AM
Don't look now but Baez is up to .322/.404/.540 (.944 OPS) at Iowa, 9 walks, 24 strikeouts in 96 plate appearances (maybe more...I wasn't able to see HBP and SF's in his stats). Don't see how he's played on defense but I saw enough of him with the glove last year to not worry about it.
He's actually be pretty terrible on defense.
As man errors as Castro and Russell combined in a lot less games.
Man errors are the worst.
Cut us some slack. We are only human.
Quote from: Tonker on May 25, 2015, 11:35:01 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 25, 2015, 11:07:24 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 25, 2015, 10:49:27 AM
Don't look now but Baez is up to .322/.404/.540 (.944 OPS) at Iowa, 9 walks, 24 strikeouts in 96 plate appearances (maybe more...I wasn't able to see HBP and SF's in his stats). Don't see how he's played on defense but I saw enough of him with the glove last year to not worry about it.
He's actually be pretty terrible on defense.
As man errors as Castro and Russell combined in a lot less games.
Man errors are the worst.
That whole post was terrible, ack.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 26, 2015, 10:10:42 AM
Quote from: Tonker on May 25, 2015, 11:35:01 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 25, 2015, 11:07:24 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 25, 2015, 10:49:27 AM
Don't look now but Baez is up to .322/.404/.540 (.944 OPS) at Iowa, 9 walks, 24 strikeouts in 96 plate appearances (maybe more...I wasn't able to see HBP and SF's in his stats). Don't see how he's played on defense but I saw enough of him with the glove last year to not worry about it.
He's actually be pretty terrible on defense.
As man errors as Castro and Russell combined in a lot less games.
Man errors are the worst.
That whole post was terrible, ack.
So much for Penbonics catching on.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 06, 2015, 12:19:49 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 06, 2015, 12:09:27 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 06, 2015, 12:03:37 PM
I can't remember if we were talking about Eloy Jiminez on Desipio or the SBox yesterday, but he had a pretty nice game in Extended Spring Training yesterday, going 2-3 with a homer and a triple. Should be in Eugene come June.
Also, Dylan Cease is back at it after TJ surgery last season after he was drafted.
Pitched 3 innings/45 pitches in a simulated game.
Good to see he's progressing. Stud arm for sure.
There are a couple other names of note down there (Justin Steele, Carson Sands, Kevonte Mitchell) and hopefully we'll see all of them in Eugene.
Cease, Steele, Sands are all draftees from last year? I remember us discussing these guys last summer vaguely...there is a ton of potential here, right?
Yeah, they went 4th-6th and all got $1MM+.
Cease was the toughest sign because he was committed to Vandy and had elbow problems. Without elbow problems, he was projected as a first rounder.
And then we spent 3 months trying to figure out if he was a dick on Twitter and ended up thinking that the old account was probably a fake and that he might still be a dick was probably wasn't that dick on Twitter.
But in the meantime we also found Carson Sands' super-hot girlfriend (now fiancee) and everything was good.
Worth noting that Cease has been hitting throwing his fastball 95-99 so far in extended spring training.
Not so much over the plate, but fast as hell. Good news for a guy less than 12 months removed from TJ Disease, since control usually takes longer to come back.
So has Wilson Contreras been discussed here before? I heard Jed talking him up yesterday on the pre-game and took a gander (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=575929#/career/R/hitting/2015/ALL) to see the just-recently-turned 23 year old has an .875 OPS since being promoted to AA.
Methinks Jed may be talking him up to drum up his value in a trade, but he seems like the kind of guy that'd have been our top prospect 10 years ago, which obviously speaks to the organizational depth the Cubs have. A quick glance at his defensive numbers shows he's clearly ahead of Schwarber, at least in gunning down runners (11 caught stealing in 26 attempts).
Quote from: PANK! on May 27, 2015, 10:00:59 AM
So has Wilson Contreras been discussed here before? I heard Jed talking him up yesterday on the pre-game and took a gander (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=575929#/career/R/hitting/2015/ALL) to see the just-recently-turned 23 year old has an .875 OPS since being promoted to AA.
Methinks Jed may be talking him up to drum up his value in a trade, but he seems like the kind of guy that'd have been our top prospect 10 years ago, which obviously speaks to the organizational depth the Cubs have. A quick glance at his defensive numbers shows he's clearly ahead of Schwarber, at least in gunning down runners (11 caught stealing in 26 attempts).
Taylor Davis
Positions: Catcher, First Baseman and Third Baseman
Bats: Right, Throws: Right
Height: 5' 11", Weight: 185 lb.
Born: November 28, 1989 in Jupiter, Florida, US (Age 25.180)
.371/.429/.614/1.043. 10 Ks, 7 BBs. 11 2Bs, 2 HRs.
Hmm....
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 27, 2015, 10:04:30 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 27, 2015, 10:00:59 AM
So has Wilson Contreras been discussed here before? I heard Jed talking him up yesterday on the pre-game and took a gander (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=575929#/career/R/hitting/2015/ALL) to see the just-recently-turned 23 year old has an .875 OPS since being promoted to AA.
Methinks Jed may be talking him up to drum up his value in a trade, but he seems like the kind of guy that'd have been our top prospect 10 years ago, which obviously speaks to the organizational depth the Cubs have. A quick glance at his defensive numbers shows he's clearly ahead of Schwarber, at least in gunning down runners (11 caught stealing in 26 attempts).
Taylor Davis
Positions: Catcher, First Baseman and Third Baseman
Bats: Right, Throws: Right
Height: 5' 11", Weight: 185 lb.
Born: November 28, 1989 in Jupiter, Florida, US (Age 25.180)
.371/.429/.614/1.043. 10 Ks, 7 BBs. 11 2Bs, 2 HRs.
Hmm....
He's having a nice season but at 25 he's getting to be a little long in the tooth, prospect-wise.
Are you suggesting him as trade bait?
Quote from: PANK! on May 27, 2015, 10:09:30 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 27, 2015, 10:04:30 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 27, 2015, 10:00:59 AM
So has Wilson Contreras been discussed here before? I heard Jed talking him up yesterday on the pre-game and took a gander (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=575929#/career/R/hitting/2015/ALL) to see the just-recently-turned 23 year old has an .875 OPS since being promoted to AA.
Methinks Jed may be talking him up to drum up his value in a trade, but he seems like the kind of guy that'd have been our top prospect 10 years ago, which obviously speaks to the organizational depth the Cubs have. A quick glance at his defensive numbers shows he's clearly ahead of Schwarber, at least in gunning down runners (11 caught stealing in 26 attempts).
Taylor Davis
Positions: Catcher, First Baseman and Third Baseman
Bats: Right, Throws: Right
Height: 5' 11", Weight: 185 lb.
Born: November 28, 1989 in Jupiter, Florida, US (Age 25.180)
.371/.429/.614/1.043. 10 Ks, 7 BBs. 11 2Bs, 2 HRs.
Hmm....
He's having a nice season but at 25 he's getting to be a little long in the tooth, prospect-wise.
Are you suggesting him as trade bait?
Yeah I think Taylor Davis is just whatever pseudonym Jake Fox is using this year.
Quote from: SKO on May 27, 2015, 10:13:55 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 27, 2015, 10:09:30 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 27, 2015, 10:04:30 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 27, 2015, 10:00:59 AM
So has Wilson Contreras been discussed here before? I heard Jed talking him up yesterday on the pre-game and took a gander (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=575929#/career/R/hitting/2015/ALL) to see the just-recently-turned 23 year old has an .875 OPS since being promoted to AA.
Methinks Jed may be talking him up to drum up his value in a trade, but he seems like the kind of guy that'd have been our top prospect 10 years ago, which obviously speaks to the organizational depth the Cubs have. A quick glance at his defensive numbers shows he's clearly ahead of Schwarber, at least in gunning down runners (11 caught stealing in 26 attempts).
Taylor Davis
Positions: Catcher, First Baseman and Third Baseman
Bats: Right, Throws: Right
Height: 5' 11", Weight: 185 lb.
Born: November 28, 1989 in Jupiter, Florida, US (Age 25.180)
.371/.429/.614/1.043. 10 Ks, 7 BBs. 11 2Bs, 2 HRs.
Hmm....
He's having a nice season but at 25 he's getting to be a little long in the tooth, prospect-wise.
Are you suggesting him as trade bait?
Yeah I think Taylor Davis is just whatever pseudonym Jake Fox is using this year.
Oh god...thanks for taking me back to when the Jake Foxes and Matt Murtons were what we were hanging our hats on to for prospect vitality.
Quote from: PANK! on May 27, 2015, 10:19:17 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 27, 2015, 10:13:55 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 27, 2015, 10:09:30 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 27, 2015, 10:04:30 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 27, 2015, 10:00:59 AM
So has Wilson Contreras been discussed here before? I heard Jed talking him up yesterday on the pre-game and took a gander (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=575929#/career/R/hitting/2015/ALL) to see the just-recently-turned 23 year old has an .875 OPS since being promoted to AA.
Methinks Jed may be talking him up to drum up his value in a trade, but he seems like the kind of guy that'd have been our top prospect 10 years ago, which obviously speaks to the organizational depth the Cubs have. A quick glance at his defensive numbers shows he's clearly ahead of Schwarber, at least in gunning down runners (11 caught stealing in 26 attempts).
Taylor Davis
Positions: Catcher, First Baseman and Third Baseman
Bats: Right, Throws: Right
Height: 5' 11", Weight: 185 lb.
Born: November 28, 1989 in Jupiter, Florida, US (Age 25.180)
.371/.429/.614/1.043. 10 Ks, 7 BBs. 11 2Bs, 2 HRs.
Hmm....
He's having a nice season but at 25 he's getting to be a little long in the tooth, prospect-wise.
Are you suggesting him as trade bait?
Yeah I think Taylor Davis is just whatever pseudonym Jake Fox is using this year.
Oh god...thanks for taking me back to when the Jake Foxes and Matt Murtons were what we were hanging our hats on to for prospect vitality.
Well he might be a better bench option than Mike Baxter so LET'S SEE WHAT HE'S GOT.
Quote from: SKO on May 27, 2015, 10:23:00 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 27, 2015, 10:19:17 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 27, 2015, 10:13:55 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 27, 2015, 10:09:30 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on May 27, 2015, 10:04:30 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 27, 2015, 10:00:59 AM
So has Wilson Contreras been discussed here before? I heard Jed talking him up yesterday on the pre-game and took a gander (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=575929#/career/R/hitting/2015/ALL) to see the just-recently-turned 23 year old has an .875 OPS since being promoted to AA.
Methinks Jed may be talking him up to drum up his value in a trade, but he seems like the kind of guy that'd have been our top prospect 10 years ago, which obviously speaks to the organizational depth the Cubs have. A quick glance at his defensive numbers shows he's clearly ahead of Schwarber, at least in gunning down runners (11 caught stealing in 26 attempts).
Taylor Davis
Positions: Catcher, First Baseman and Third Baseman
Bats: Right, Throws: Right
Height: 5' 11", Weight: 185 lb.
Born: November 28, 1989 in Jupiter, Florida, US (Age 25.180)
.371/.429/.614/1.043. 10 Ks, 7 BBs. 11 2Bs, 2 HRs.
Hmm....
He's having a nice season but at 25 he's getting to be a little long in the tooth, prospect-wise.
Are you suggesting him as trade bait?
Yeah I think Taylor Davis is just whatever pseudonym Jake Fox is using this year.
Oh god...thanks for taking me back to when the Jake Foxes and Matt Murtons were what we were hanging our hats on to for prospect vitality.
Well he might be a better bench option than Mike Baxter so LET'S SEE WHAT HE'S GOT.
Yeah Mike Baxter's terrible and should be taken out behind the shed and mercifully put down.
Quote from: PANK! on May 27, 2015, 10:00:59 AM
So has Wilson Contreras been discussed here before? I heard Jed talking him up yesterday on the pre-game and took a gander (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=575929#/career/R/hitting/2015/ALL) to see the just-recently-turned 23 year old has an .875 OPS since being promoted to AA.
Methinks Jed may be talking him up to drum up his value in a trade, but he seems like the kind of guy that'd have been our top prospect 10 years ago, which obviously speaks to the organizational depth the Cubs have. A quick glance at his defensive numbers shows he's clearly ahead of Schwarber, at least in gunning down runners (11 caught stealing in 26 attempts).
He's still young, but his stats in AA this year are far outpacing anything he's done to date in his career.
I don't think he's a real prospect, but hopefully they can get something for him.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 21, 2015, 07:14:55 PM
Eloy's coming.
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The Eloy Jimenez HR gives him the team lead with two, and he is now hitting 317/348/583 in 19 Cactus League EXST games (66 PA). In addition to the two home runs, Eloy also has four doubles and is tied for the team lead in triples with three (tied with Kevin Encarnacion), and he leads the team in RBI (15 ) and in runs scored (11). He has three walks and ten strikeouts in the 66 PA, and he has also stolen three bases (no CS).
But seriously, Eloy is fucking coming.
Quote from: Yesterday's box score
Eloy Jimenez, RF: 3-3 (1B, HR, 2B, 2 R, 6 RBI)
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2015, 02:12:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 21, 2015, 07:14:55 PM
Eloy's coming.
Quote
The Eloy Jimenez HR gives him the team lead with two, and he is now hitting 317/348/583 in 19 Cactus League EXST games (66 PA). In addition to the two home runs, Eloy also has four doubles and is tied for the team lead in triples with three (tied with Kevin Encarnacion), and he leads the team in RBI (15 ) and in runs scored (11). He has three walks and ten strikeouts in the 66 PA, and he has also stolen three bases (no CS).
But seriously, Eloy is fucking coming, y'all.
[quote = Yesterday's box score]
Eloy Jimenez, RF: 3-3 (1B, HR, 2B, 2 R, 6 RBI)
[/quote]
SKO'd.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 28, 2015, 02:12:57 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2015, 02:12:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 21, 2015, 07:14:55 PM
Eloy's coming.
Quote
The Eloy Jimenez HR gives him the team lead with two, and he is now hitting 317/348/583 in 19 Cactus League EXST games (66 PA). In addition to the two home runs, Eloy also has four doubles and is tied for the team lead in triples with three (tied with Kevin Encarnacion), and he leads the team in RBI (15 ) and in runs scored (11). He has three walks and ten strikeouts in the 66 PA, and he has also stolen three bases (no CS).
But seriously, Eloy is fucking coming, y'all.
[quote = Yesterday's box score]
Eloy Jimenez, RF: 3-3 (1B, HR, 2B, 2 R, 6 RBI)
Don't ruin a perfectly good Three Dog Night reference (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CuNBengxaQ) by turning it into some SKO shit.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 28, 2015, 02:12:57 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2015, 02:12:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 21, 2015, 07:14:55 PM
Eloy's coming.
Quote
The Eloy Jimenez HR gives him the team lead with two, and he is now hitting 317/348/583 in 19 Cactus League EXST games (66 PA). In addition to the two home runs, Eloy also has four doubles and is tied for the team lead in triples with three (tied with Kevin Encarnacion), and he leads the team in RBI (15 ) and in runs scored (11). He has three walks and ten strikeouts in the 66 PA, and he has also stolen three bases (no CS).
But seriously, Eloy is fucking coming, y'all.
[quote = Yesterday's box score]
Eloy Jimenez, RF: 3-3 (1B, HR, 2B, 2 R, 6 RBI)
SKO'd.
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Not that I'm not excited about Eloy Jimenez but on a scale from whatever the heck that "test cricket" is that I saw Tonk refer to on facebook to a CFL preseason game, where do extended spring training stats rank? I'm gonna say "low."
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:15:54 PM
Not that I'm not excited about Eloy Jimenez but on a scale from whatever the heck that "test cricket" is that I saw Tonk refer to on facebook to a CFL preseason game, where do extended spring training stats rank? I'm gonna say "low."
I heard he just crushed some balls off a tee in the cage yesterday.
Quote from: Eli on May 28, 2015, 02:27:29 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:15:54 PM
Not that I'm not excited about Eloy Jimenez but on a scale from whatever the heck that "test cricket" is that I saw Tonk refer to on facebook to a CFL preseason game, where do extended spring training stats rank? I'm gonna say "low."
I heard he just crushed some balls off a tee in the cage yesterday.
I say we pencil him in for CF next year pending a BMI evaluation.
Eloy will be in Eugene shortly - first game is 6/18.
BITCHES.
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:28:34 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 28, 2015, 02:27:29 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:15:54 PM
Not that I'm not excited about Eloy Jimenez but on a scale from whatever the heck that "test cricket" is that I saw Tonk refer to on facebook to a CFL preseason game, where do extended spring training stats rank? I'm gonna say "low."
I heard he just crushed some balls off a tee in the cage yesterday.
I say we pencil him in for CF next year pending a BMI evaluation.
25.0
But he's a rightfielder.
In case you've never seen this, dude is huge.
(http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/files/2014/06/ELOY-MANNY.jpg)
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2015, 02:30:17 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:28:34 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 28, 2015, 02:27:29 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:15:54 PM
Not that I'm not excited about Eloy Jimenez but on a scale from whatever the heck that "test cricket" is that I saw Tonk refer to on facebook to a CFL preseason game, where do extended spring training stats rank? I'm gonna say "low."
I heard he just crushed some balls off a tee in the cage yesterday.
I say we pencil him in for CF next year pending a BMI evaluation.
25.0
But he's a rightfielder.
In case you've never seen this, dude is huge.
(http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/files/2014/06/ELOY-MANNY.jpg)
I had seen that around and thought it was supposed to be Soler making Manny fucking Ramirez look small. Didn't realize it was Eloy. My God. There's two of them.
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:34:23 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2015, 02:30:17 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:28:34 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 28, 2015, 02:27:29 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:15:54 PM
Not that I'm not excited about Eloy Jimenez but on a scale from whatever the heck that "test cricket" is that I saw Tonk refer to on facebook to a CFL preseason game, where do extended spring training stats rank? I'm gonna say "low."
I heard he just crushed some balls off a tee in the cage yesterday.
I say we pencil him in for CF next year pending a BMI evaluation.
25.0
But he's a rightfielder.
In case you've never seen this, dude is huge.
(http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/files/2014/06/ELOY-MANNY.jpg)
I had seen that around and thought it was supposed to be Soler making Manny fucking Ramirez look small. Didn't realize it was Eloy. My God. There's two of them.
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/racist1.gif)
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:34:23 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2015, 02:30:17 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:28:34 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 28, 2015, 02:27:29 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:15:54 PM
Not that I'm not excited about Eloy Jimenez but on a scale from whatever the heck that "test cricket" is that I saw Tonk refer to on facebook to a CFL preseason game, where do extended spring training stats rank? I'm gonna say "low."
I heard he just crushed some balls off a tee in the cage yesterday.
I say we pencil him in for CF next year pending a BMI evaluation.
25.0
But he's a rightfielder.
In case you've never seen this, dude is huge.
(http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/files/2014/06/ELOY-MANNY.jpg)
I had seen that around and thought it was supposed to be Soler making Manny fucking Ramirez look small. Didn't realize it was Eloy. My God. There's two of them.
That's Eloy at 17, btw.
Safe to assume he's not 100% done growing.
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:15:54 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 28, 2015, 02:12:57 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2015, 02:12:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 21, 2015, 07:14:55 PM
Eloy's coming.
Quote
The Eloy Jimenez HR gives him the team lead with two, and he is now hitting 317/348/583 in 19 Cactus League EXST games (66 PA). In addition to the two home runs, Eloy also has four doubles and is tied for the team lead in triples with three (tied with Kevin Encarnacion), and he leads the team in RBI (15 ) and in runs scored (11). He has three walks and ten strikeouts in the 66 PA, and he has also stolen three bases (no CS).
But seriously, Eloy is fucking coming, y'all.
[quote = Yesterday's box score]
Eloy Jimenez, RF: 3-3 (1B, HR, 2B, 2 R, 6 RBI)
SKO'd.
Not that I'm not excited about Eloy Jimenez but on a scale from whatever the heck that "test cricket" is that I saw Tonk refer to on facebook to a CFL preseason game, where do extended spring training stats rank? I'm gonna say "low."
Ironically, "test" cricket is the highest level of cricket.
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:52:24 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:15:54 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 28, 2015, 02:12:57 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2015, 02:12:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 21, 2015, 07:14:55 PM
Eloy's coming.
Quote
The Eloy Jimenez HR gives him the team lead with two, and he is now hitting 317/348/583 in 19 Cactus League EXST games (66 PA). In addition to the two home runs, Eloy also has four doubles and is tied for the team lead in triples with three (tied with Kevin Encarnacion), and he leads the team in RBI (15 ) and in runs scored (11). He has three walks and ten strikeouts in the 66 PA, and he has also stolen three bases (no CS).
But seriously, Eloy is fucking coming, y'all.
[quote = Yesterday's box score]
Eloy Jimenez, RF: 3-3 (1B, HR, 2B, 2 R, 6 RBI)
SKO'd.
Not that I'm not excited about Eloy Jimenez but on a scale from whatever the heck that "test cricket" is that I saw Tonk refer to on facebook to a CFL preseason game, where do extended spring training stats rank? I'm gonna say "low."
Ironically, "test" cricket is the highest level of cricket.
Intrepid reader: SKO
Huh, that sucks. Yay for 'Murica, fuck everything that's not 'Murica, etc. etc. etc.
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:53:02 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:52:24 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:15:54 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 28, 2015, 02:12:57 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2015, 02:12:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 21, 2015, 07:14:55 PM
Eloy's coming.
Quote
The Eloy Jimenez HR gives him the team lead with two, and he is now hitting 317/348/583 in 19 Cactus League EXST games (66 PA). In addition to the two home runs, Eloy also has four doubles and is tied for the team lead in triples with three (tied with Kevin Encarnacion), and he leads the team in RBI (15 ) and in runs scored (11). He has three walks and ten strikeouts in the 66 PA, and he has also stolen three bases (no CS).
But seriously, Eloy is fucking coming, y'all.
[quote = Yesterday's box score]
Eloy Jimenez, RF: 3-3 (1B, HR, 2B, 2 R, 6 RBI)
SKO'd.
Not that I'm not excited about Eloy Jimenez but on a scale from whatever the heck that "test cricket" is that I saw Tonk refer to on facebook to a CFL preseason game, where do extended spring training stats rank? I'm gonna say "low."
Ironically, "test" cricket is the highest level of cricket.
Intrepid reader: SKO
Huh, that sucks. Yay for 'Murica, fuck everything that's not 'Murica, etc. etc. etc.
I just googled test cricket and it sounds grueling. How the hell do people play that many hours a day for five days in a row without dying in fucking India?
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:56:35 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:53:02 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:52:24 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:15:54 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 28, 2015, 02:12:57 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2015, 02:12:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 21, 2015, 07:14:55 PM
Eloy's coming.
Quote
The Eloy Jimenez HR gives him the team lead with two, and he is now hitting 317/348/583 in 19 Cactus League EXST games (66 PA). In addition to the two home runs, Eloy also has four doubles and is tied for the team lead in triples with three (tied with Kevin Encarnacion), and he leads the team in RBI (15 ) and in runs scored (11). He has three walks and ten strikeouts in the 66 PA, and he has also stolen three bases (no CS).
But seriously, Eloy is fucking coming, y'all.
[quote = Yesterday's box score]
Eloy Jimenez, RF: 3-3 (1B, HR, 2B, 2 R, 6 RBI)
SKO'd.
Not that I'm not excited about Eloy Jimenez but on a scale from whatever the heck that "test cricket" is that I saw Tonk refer to on facebook to a CFL preseason game, where do extended spring training stats rank? I'm gonna say "low."
Ironically, "test" cricket is the highest level of cricket.
Intrepid reader: SKO
Huh, that sucks. Yay for 'Murica, fuck everything that's not 'Murica, etc. etc. etc.
I just googled test cricket and it sounds grueling. How the hell do people play that many hours a day for five days in a row without dying in fucking India?
Because they break for lunch, and afternoon tea, every day. And they have drinks brought out onto the field every hour or so. I'm not kidding.
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:59:52 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:56:35 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:53:02 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:52:24 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:15:54 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 28, 2015, 02:12:57 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2015, 02:12:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 21, 2015, 07:14:55 PM
Eloy's coming.
Quote
The Eloy Jimenez HR gives him the team lead with two, and he is now hitting 317/348/583 in 19 Cactus League EXST games (66 PA). In addition to the two home runs, Eloy also has four doubles and is tied for the team lead in triples with three (tied with Kevin Encarnacion), and he leads the team in RBI (15 ) and in runs scored (11). He has three walks and ten strikeouts in the 66 PA, and he has also stolen three bases (no CS).
But seriously, Eloy is fucking coming, y'all.
[quote = Yesterday's box score]
Eloy Jimenez, RF: 3-3 (1B, HR, 2B, 2 R, 6 RBI)
SKO'd.
Not that I'm not excited about Eloy Jimenez but on a scale from whatever the heck that "test cricket" is that I saw Tonk refer to on facebook to a CFL preseason game, where do extended spring training stats rank? I'm gonna say "low."
Ironically, "test" cricket is the highest level of cricket.
Intrepid reader: SKO
Huh, that sucks. Yay for 'Murica, fuck everything that's not 'Murica, etc. etc. etc.
I just googled test cricket and it sounds grueling. How the hell do people play that many hours a day for five days in a row without dying in fucking India?
Because they break for lunch, and afternoon tea, every day. And they have drinks brought out onto the field every hour or so. I'm not kidding.
That's amazing.
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:59:52 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:56:35 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:53:02 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:52:24 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:15:54 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 28, 2015, 02:12:57 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2015, 02:12:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 21, 2015, 07:14:55 PM
Eloy's coming.
Quote
The Eloy Jimenez HR gives him the team lead with two, and he is now hitting 317/348/583 in 19 Cactus League EXST games (66 PA). In addition to the two home runs, Eloy also has four doubles and is tied for the team lead in triples with three (tied with Kevin Encarnacion), and he leads the team in RBI (15 ) and in runs scored (11). He has three walks and ten strikeouts in the 66 PA, and he has also stolen three bases (no CS).
But seriously, Eloy is fucking coming, y'all.
[quote = Yesterday's box score]
Eloy Jimenez, RF: 3-3 (1B, HR, 2B, 2 R, 6 RBI)
SKO'd.
Not that I'm not excited about Eloy Jimenez but on a scale from whatever the heck that "test cricket" is that I saw Tonk refer to on facebook to a CFL preseason game, where do extended spring training stats rank? I'm gonna say "low."
Ironically, "test" cricket is the highest level of cricket.
Intrepid reader: SKO
Huh, that sucks. Yay for 'Murica, fuck everything that's not 'Murica, etc. etc. etc.
I just googled test cricket and it sounds grueling. How the hell do people play that many hours a day for five days in a row without dying in fucking India?
Because they break for lunch, and afternoon tea, every day. And they have drinks brought out onto the field every hour or so. I'm not kidding.
Like Hi-C? Maybe some orange slices?
Quote from: ChuckD on May 28, 2015, 03:04:28 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:59:52 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:56:35 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:53:02 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:52:24 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:15:54 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 28, 2015, 02:12:57 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2015, 02:12:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 21, 2015, 07:14:55 PM
Eloy's coming.
Quote
The Eloy Jimenez HR gives him the team lead with two, and he is now hitting 317/348/583 in 19 Cactus League EXST games (66 PA). In addition to the two home runs, Eloy also has four doubles and is tied for the team lead in triples with three (tied with Kevin Encarnacion), and he leads the team in RBI (15 ) and in runs scored (11). He has three walks and ten strikeouts in the 66 PA, and he has also stolen three bases (no CS).
But seriously, Eloy is fucking coming, y'all.
[quote = Yesterday's box score]
Eloy Jimenez, RF: 3-3 (1B, HR, 2B, 2 R, 6 RBI)
SKO'd.
Not that I'm not excited about Eloy Jimenez but on a scale from whatever the heck that "test cricket" is that I saw Tonk refer to on facebook to a CFL preseason game, where do extended spring training stats rank? I'm gonna say "low."
Ironically, "test" cricket is the highest level of cricket.
Intrepid reader: SKO
Huh, that sucks. Yay for 'Murica, fuck everything that's not 'Murica, etc. etc. etc.
I just googled test cricket and it sounds grueling. How the hell do people play that many hours a day for five days in a row without dying in fucking India?
Because they break for lunch, and afternoon tea, every day. And they have drinks brought out onto the field every hour or so. I'm not kidding.
Like Hi-C? Maybe some orange slices?
These days, I presume it's energy drinks. I did see one of the players drinking Red Bull on the field the other day. It used to be perfectly acceptable to smoke during play.
The schedule goes something like this:
11:00 Start
11:30 Drinks
12:00 Drinks
12:30 Drinks
13:00 Lunch
13:40 Restart
14:10 Drinks
14:40 Drinks
15:10 Drinks
15:40 Tea
16:20 Restart
16:40 Drinks
17:10 Drinks
17:40 Drinks
18:10 Finish for the day
18:11 Urinating. Lots and lots of urinating.
18:15 Beer
Day 2: Rinse, repeat.
Day 3: Rinse, repeat.
Day 4: Rinse, repeat.
Day 5: Match finishes in a draw.
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 03:07:35 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 28, 2015, 03:04:28 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:59:52 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:56:35 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:53:02 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:52:24 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:15:54 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 28, 2015, 02:12:57 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2015, 02:12:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 21, 2015, 07:14:55 PM
Eloy's coming.
Quote
The Eloy Jimenez HR gives him the team lead with two, and he is now hitting 317/348/583 in 19 Cactus League EXST games (66 PA). In addition to the two home runs, Eloy also has four doubles and is tied for the team lead in triples with three (tied with Kevin Encarnacion), and he leads the team in RBI (15 ) and in runs scored (11). He has three walks and ten strikeouts in the 66 PA, and he has also stolen three bases (no CS).
But seriously, Eloy is fucking coming, y'all.
[quote = Yesterday's box score]
Eloy Jimenez, RF: 3-3 (1B, HR, 2B, 2 R, 6 RBI)
SKO'd.
Not that I'm not excited about Eloy Jimenez but on a scale from whatever the heck that "test cricket" is that I saw Tonk refer to on facebook to a CFL preseason game, where do extended spring training stats rank? I'm gonna say "low."
Ironically, "test" cricket is the highest level of cricket.
Intrepid reader: SKO
Huh, that sucks. Yay for 'Murica, fuck everything that's not 'Murica, etc. etc. etc.
I just googled test cricket and it sounds grueling. How the hell do people play that many hours a day for five days in a row without dying in fucking India?
Because they break for lunch, and afternoon tea, every day. And they have drinks brought out onto the field every hour or so. I'm not kidding.
Like Hi-C? Maybe some orange slices?
These days, I presume it's energy drinks. I did see one of the players drinking Red Bull on the field the other day. It used to be perfectly acceptable to smoke during play.
The schedule goes something like this:
11:00 Start
11:30 Drinks
12:00 Drinks
12:30 Drinks
13:00 Lunch
13:40 Restart
14:10 Drinks
14:40 Drinks
15:10 Drinks
15:40 Tea
16:20 Restart
16:40 Drinks
17:10 Drinks
17:40 Drinks
18:10 Finish for the day
18:11 Urinating. Lots and lots of urinating.
18:15 Beer
Day 2: Rinse, repeat.
Day 3: Rinse, repeat.
Day 4: Rinse, repeat.
Day 5: Match finishes in a draw.
Eloy would fucking own that.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2015, 03:09:45 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 03:07:35 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 28, 2015, 03:04:28 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:59:52 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:56:35 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:53:02 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:52:24 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:15:54 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 28, 2015, 02:12:57 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2015, 02:12:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 21, 2015, 07:14:55 PM
Eloy's coming.
Quote
The Eloy Jimenez HR gives him the team lead with two, and he is now hitting 317/348/583 in 19 Cactus League EXST games (66 PA). In addition to the two home runs, Eloy also has four doubles and is tied for the team lead in triples with three (tied with Kevin Encarnacion), and he leads the team in RBI (15 ) and in runs scored (11). He has three walks and ten strikeouts in the 66 PA, and he has also stolen three bases (no CS).
But seriously, Eloy is fucking coming, y'all.
[quote = Yesterday's box score]
Eloy Jimenez, RF: 3-3 (1B, HR, 2B, 2 R, 6 RBI)
SKO'd.
Not that I'm not excited about Eloy Jimenez but on a scale from whatever the heck that "test cricket" is that I saw Tonk refer to on facebook to a CFL preseason game, where do extended spring training stats rank? I'm gonna say "low."
Ironically, "test" cricket is the highest level of cricket.
Intrepid reader: SKO
Huh, that sucks. Yay for 'Murica, fuck everything that's not 'Murica, etc. etc. etc.
I just googled test cricket and it sounds grueling. How the hell do people play that many hours a day for five days in a row without dying in fucking India?
Because they break for lunch, and afternoon tea, every day. And they have drinks brought out onto the field every hour or so. I'm not kidding.
Like Hi-C? Maybe some orange slices?
These days, I presume it's energy drinks. I did see one of the players drinking Red Bull on the field the other day. It used to be perfectly acceptable to smoke during play.
The schedule goes something like this:
11:00 Start
11:30 Drinks
12:00 Drinks
12:30 Drinks
13:00 Lunch
13:40 Restart
14:10 Drinks
14:40 Drinks
15:10 Drinks
15:40 Tea
16:20 Restart
16:40 Drinks
17:10 Drinks
17:40 Drinks
18:10 Finish for the day
18:11 Urinating. Lots and lots of urinating.
18:15 Beer
Day 2: Rinse, repeat.
Day 3: Rinse, repeat.
Day 4: Rinse, repeat.
Day 5: Match finishes in a draw.
Eloy would fuck own that.
Well since half the sport appears to be eating, drinking, and apparently in the old days smoking cigarettes, I feel like David Wells chose the wrong sport.
I am legitimately baffled about the differences between Americans and the rest of the world sometimes. Half of this country thinks hockey, which to me is the most stressful sport of all to watch, "boring" because it's comparatively low-scoring and yet the rest of the world can watch test cricket. I have no idea why we're so different, it's just interesting.
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 03:16:03 PM
I am legitimately baffled about the differences between Americans and the rest of the world sometimes. Half of this country thinks hockey, which to me is the most stressful sport of all to watch, "boring" because it's comparatively low-scoring and yet the rest of the world can watch test cricket. I have no idea why we're so different, it's just interesting.
MODS! (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7056.msg194539#msg194539)
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2015, 03:19:14 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 03:16:03 PM
I am legitimately baffled about the differences between Americans and the rest of the world sometimes. Half of this country thinks hockey, which to me is the most stressful sport of all to watch, "boring" because it's comparatively low-scoring and yet the rest of the world can watch test cricket. I have no idea why we're so different, it's just interesting.
MODS! (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7056.msg194539#msg194539)
Sorry. In honor of this thread's humble beginnings I'll get us back on track by pointing out that Mack Seizure hit a game winning homer for Iowa.
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 03:21:52 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2015, 03:19:14 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 03:16:03 PM
I am legitimately baffled about the differences between Americans and the rest of the world sometimes. Half of this country thinks hockey, which to me is the most stressful sport of all to watch, "boring" because it's comparatively low-scoring and yet the rest of the world can watch test cricket. I have no idea why we're so different, it's just interesting.
MODS! (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7056.msg194539#msg194539)
Sorry. In honor of this thread's humble beginnings I'll get us back on track by pointing out that Mack Seizure hit a game winning homer for Iowa.
A 3-run homer when they were down 2-0 and were getting 3-hit through the first 8 innings.
Gotta sell that shit, man.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2015, 03:33:37 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 03:21:52 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2015, 03:19:14 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 03:16:03 PM
I am legitimately baffled about the differences between Americans and the rest of the world sometimes. Half of this country thinks hockey, which to me is the most stressful sport of all to watch, "boring" because it's comparatively low-scoring and yet the rest of the world can watch test cricket. I have no idea why we're so different, it's just interesting.
MODS! (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=7056.msg194539#msg194539)
Sorry. In honor of this thread's humble beginnings I'll get us back on track by pointing out that Mack Seizure hit a game winning homer for Iowa.
A 3-run homer when they were down 2-0 and were getting 3-hit through the first 8 innings.
Gotta sell that shit, man.
Javy is 0 for his last 11 with 4 K's, though. DOOOOM.
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 03:10:55 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2015, 03:09:45 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 03:07:35 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 28, 2015, 03:04:28 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:59:52 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:56:35 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:53:02 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:52:24 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:15:54 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 28, 2015, 02:12:57 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2015, 02:12:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 21, 2015, 07:14:55 PM
Eloy's coming.
Quote
The Eloy Jimenez HR gives him the team lead with two, and he is now hitting 317/348/583 in 19 Cactus League EXST games (66 PA). In addition to the two home runs, Eloy also has four doubles and is tied for the team lead in triples with three (tied with Kevin Encarnacion), and he leads the team in RBI (15 ) and in runs scored (11). He has three walks and ten strikeouts in the 66 PA, and he has also stolen three bases (no CS).
But seriously, Eloy is fucking coming, y'all.
[quote = Yesterday's box score]
Eloy Jimenez, RF: 3-3 (1B, HR, 2B, 2 R, 6 RBI)
SKO'd.
Not that I'm not excited about Eloy Jimenez but on a scale from whatever the heck that "test cricket" is that I saw Tonk refer to on facebook to a CFL preseason game, where do extended spring training stats rank? I'm gonna say "low."
Ironically, "test" cricket is the highest level of cricket.
Intrepid reader: SKO
Huh, that sucks. Yay for 'Murica, fuck everything that's not 'Murica, etc. etc. etc.
I just googled test cricket and it sounds grueling. How the hell do people play that many hours a day for five days in a row without dying in fucking India?
Because they break for lunch, and afternoon tea, every day. And they have drinks brought out onto the field every hour or so. I'm not kidding.
Like Hi-C? Maybe some orange slices?
These days, I presume it's energy drinks. I did see one of the players drinking Red Bull on the field the other day. It used to be perfectly acceptable to smoke during play.
The schedule goes something like this:
11:00 Start
11:30 Drinks
12:00 Drinks
12:30 Drinks
13:00 Lunch
13:40 Restart
14:10 Drinks
14:40 Drinks
15:10 Drinks
15:40 Tea
16:20 Restart
16:40 Drinks
17:10 Drinks
17:40 Drinks
18:10 Finish for the day
18:11 Urinating. Lots and lots of urinating.
18:15 Beer
Day 2: Rinse, repeat.
Day 3: Rinse, repeat.
Day 4: Rinse, repeat.
Day 5: Match finishes in a draw.
Eloy would fuck own that.
Well since half the sport appears to be eating, drinking, and apparently in the old days smoking cigarettes, I feel like David Wells chose the wrong sport.
I have Caymanian friends that attend
this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean_Premier_League)
QuoteDates for the tournament were confirmed for the 2013 Caribbean Premier League as 29 July to 26 August. The 2014 and 2015 tournaments are planned to take place from 5 July to 10 August and 21 June to 26 July respectively.]Dates for the tournament were confirmed for the 2013 Caribbean Premier League as 29 July to 26 August. The 2014 and 2015 tournaments are planned to take place from 5 July to 10 August and 21 June to 26 July respectively.
All they do is drink and smoke weed and sail and drink and smoke cigarettes and watch All Blacks Rugby and drink and fish for the other 11 months of the year... and watch other cricket tournaments.
It's quite the life.
Edit: And they eat every variation of Trinidad Roti and curry known to man.
Quote from: flannj on May 28, 2015, 04:09:38 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 03:10:55 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2015, 03:09:45 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 03:07:35 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 28, 2015, 03:04:28 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:59:52 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:56:35 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:53:02 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:52:24 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:15:54 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 28, 2015, 02:12:57 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2015, 02:12:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 21, 2015, 07:14:55 PM
Eloy's coming.
Quote
The Eloy Jimenez HR gives him the team lead with two, and he is now hitting 317/348/583 in 19 Cactus League EXST games (66 PA). In addition to the two home runs, Eloy also has four doubles and is tied for the team lead in triples with three (tied with Kevin Encarnacion), and he leads the team in RBI (15 ) and in runs scored (11). He has three walks and ten strikeouts in the 66 PA, and he has also stolen three bases (no CS).
But seriously, Eloy is fucking coming, y'all.
[quote = Yesterday's box score]
Eloy Jimenez, RF: 3-3 (1B, HR, 2B, 2 R, 6 RBI)
SKO'd.
Not that I'm not excited about Eloy Jimenez but on a scale from whatever the heck that "test cricket" is that I saw Tonk refer to on facebook to a CFL preseason game, where do extended spring training stats rank? I'm gonna say "low."
Ironically, "test" cricket is the highest level of cricket.
Intrepid reader: SKO
Huh, that sucks. Yay for 'Murica, fuck everything that's not 'Murica, etc. etc. etc.
I just googled test cricket and it sounds grueling. How the hell do people play that many hours a day for five days in a row without dying in fucking India?
Because they break for lunch, and afternoon tea, every day. And they have drinks brought out onto the field every hour or so. I'm not kidding.
Like Hi-C? Maybe some orange slices?
These days, I presume it's energy drinks. I did see one of the players drinking Red Bull on the field the other day. It used to be perfectly acceptable to smoke during play.
The schedule goes something like this:
11:00 Start
11:30 Drinks
12:00 Drinks
12:30 Drinks
13:00 Lunch
13:40 Restart
14:10 Drinks
14:40 Drinks
15:10 Drinks
15:40 Tea
16:20 Restart
16:40 Drinks
17:10 Drinks
17:40 Drinks
18:10 Finish for the day
18:11 Urinating. Lots and lots of urinating.
18:15 Beer
Day 2: Rinse, repeat.
Day 3: Rinse, repeat.
Day 4: Rinse, repeat.
Day 5: Match finishes in a draw.
Eloy would fuck own that.
Well since half the sport appears to be eating, drinking, and apparently in the old days smoking cigarettes, I feel like David Wells chose the wrong sport.
I have Caymanian friends that attend this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean_Premier_League)
QuoteDates for the tournament were confirmed for the 2013 Caribbean Premier League as 29 July to 26 August. The 2014 and 2015 tournaments are planned to take place from 5 July to 10 August and 21 June to 26 July respectively.]Dates for the tournament were confirmed for the 2013 Caribbean Premier League as 29 July to 26 August. The 2014 and 2015 tournaments are planned to take place from 5 July to 10 August and 21 June to 26 July respectively.
All they do is drink and smoke weed and sail and drink and smoke cigarettes and watch All Blacks Rugby and drink and fish for the other 11 months of the year... and watch other cricket tournaments.
It's quite the life.
Edit: And they eat every variation of Trinidad Roti and curry known to man.
T20 (Twenty-twenty) cricket is a slugfest, and is spectacular to watch. It's kind of missing the point, though: which is to say that all the excitement interferes with the serious business of spending the entire day sitting in the sunshine, slowly eating and drinking yourself towards a nice long afternoon nap in your seat.
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 04:47:53 PM
Quote from: flannj on May 28, 2015, 04:09:38 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 03:10:55 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2015, 03:09:45 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 03:07:35 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 28, 2015, 03:04:28 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:59:52 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:56:35 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:53:02 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:52:24 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:15:54 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 28, 2015, 02:12:57 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2015, 02:12:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 21, 2015, 07:14:55 PM
Eloy's coming.
Quote
The Eloy Jimenez HR gives him the team lead with two, and he is now hitting 317/348/583 in 19 Cactus League EXST games (66 PA). In addition to the two home runs, Eloy also has four doubles and is tied for the team lead in triples with three (tied with Kevin Encarnacion), and he leads the team in RBI (15 ) and in runs scored (11). He has three walks and ten strikeouts in the 66 PA, and he has also stolen three bases (no CS).
But seriously, Eloy is fucking coming, y'all.
[quote = Yesterday's box score]
Eloy Jimenez, RF: 3-3 (1B, HR, 2B, 2 R, 6 RBI)
SKO'd.
Not that I'm not excited about Eloy Jimenez but on a scale from whatever the heck that "test cricket" is that I saw Tonk refer to on facebook to a CFL preseason game, where do extended spring training stats rank? I'm gonna say "low."
Ironically, "test" cricket is the highest level of cricket.
Intrepid reader: SKO
Huh, that sucks. Yay for 'Murica, fuck everything that's not 'Murica, etc. etc. etc.
I just googled test cricket and it sounds grueling. How the hell do people play that many hours a day for five days in a row without dying in fucking India?
Because they break for lunch, and afternoon tea, every day. And they have drinks brought out onto the field every hour or so. I'm not kidding.
Like Hi-C? Maybe some orange slices?
These days, I presume it's energy drinks. I did see one of the players drinking Red Bull on the field the other day. It used to be perfectly acceptable to smoke during play.
The schedule goes something like this:
11:00 Start
11:30 Drinks
12:00 Drinks
12:30 Drinks
13:00 Lunch
13:40 Restart
14:10 Drinks
14:40 Drinks
15:10 Drinks
15:40 Tea
16:20 Restart
16:40 Drinks
17:10 Drinks
17:40 Drinks
18:10 Finish for the day
18:11 Urinating. Lots and lots of urinating.
18:15 Beer
Day 2: Rinse, repeat.
Day 3: Rinse, repeat.
Day 4: Rinse, repeat.
Day 5: Match finishes in a draw.
Eloy would fuck own that.
Well since half the sport appears to be eating, drinking, and apparently in the old days smoking cigarettes, I feel like David Wells chose the wrong sport.
I have Caymanian friends that attend this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean_Premier_League)
QuoteDates for the tournament were confirmed for the 2013 Caribbean Premier League as 29 July to 26 August. The 2014 and 2015 tournaments are planned to take place from 5 July to 10 August and 21 June to 26 July respectively.]Dates for the tournament were confirmed for the 2013 Caribbean Premier League as 29 July to 26 August. The 2014 and 2015 tournaments are planned to take place from 5 July to 10 August and 21 June to 26 July respectively.
All they do is drink and smoke weed and sail and drink and smoke cigarettes and watch All Blacks Rugby and drink and fish for the other 11 months of the year... and watch other cricket tournaments.
It's quite the life.
Edit: And they eat every variation of Trinidad Roti and curry known to man.
T20 (Twenty-twenty) cricket is a slugfest, and is spectacular to watch. It's kind of missing the point, though: which is to say that all the excitement interferes with the serious business of spending the entire day sitting in the sunshine, slowly eating and drinking yourself towards a nice long afternoon nap in your seat.
A sunny day with curry and jerk and seafood and grilled goat and Appelton and beer works for me.
Let's go, it's gotta be better than North Rogers Park (believe me I know, I used to live there).
First round is on me.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 23, 2015, 07:24:04 AM
Ryan Williams' stat line (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?sid=milb&player_id=657123#/career/R/pitching/2015/ALL) is some video game shit.
7 starts, 45 innings, 0.59 ERA, 35K 2BB.
Perfect through 4 so far tonight.
Definitely needs to be in Myrtle.
Quote from: flannj on May 28, 2015, 05:14:03 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 04:47:53 PM
Quote from: flannj on May 28, 2015, 04:09:38 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 03:10:55 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2015, 03:09:45 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 03:07:35 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 28, 2015, 03:04:28 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:59:52 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:56:35 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:53:02 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:52:24 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:15:54 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 28, 2015, 02:12:57 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2015, 02:12:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 21, 2015, 07:14:55 PM
Eloy's coming.
Quote
The Eloy Jimenez HR gives him the team lead with two, and he is now hitting 317/348/583 in 19 Cactus League EXST games (66 PA). In addition to the two home runs, Eloy also has four doubles and is tied for the team lead in triples with three (tied with Kevin Encarnacion), and he leads the team in RBI (15 ) and in runs scored (11). He has three walks and ten strikeouts in the 66 PA, and he has also stolen three bases (no CS).
But seriously, Eloy is fucking coming, y'all.
[quote = Yesterday's box score]
Eloy Jimenez, RF: 3-3 (1B, HR, 2B, 2 R, 6 RBI)
SKO'd.
Not that I'm not excited about Eloy Jimenez but on a scale from whatever the heck that "test cricket" is that I saw Tonk refer to on facebook to a CFL preseason game, where do extended spring training stats rank? I'm gonna say "low."
Ironically, "test" cricket is the highest level of cricket.
Intrepid reader: SKO
Huh, that sucks. Yay for 'Murica, fuck everything that's not 'Murica, etc. etc. etc.
I just googled test cricket and it sounds grueling. How the hell do people play that many hours a day for five days in a row without dying in fucking India?
Because they break for lunch, and afternoon tea, every day. And they have drinks brought out onto the field every hour or so. I'm not kidding.
Like Hi-C? Maybe some orange slices?
These days, I presume it's energy drinks. I did see one of the players drinking Red Bull on the field the other day. It used to be perfectly acceptable to smoke during play.
The schedule goes something like this:
Day 5: Match finishes in a draw.
Eloy would fuck own that.
Well since half the sport appears to be eating, drinking, and apparently in the old days smoking cigarettes, I feel like David Wells chose the wrong sport.
I have Caymanian friends that attend this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean_Premier_League)
QuoteDates for the tournament were confirmed for the 2013 Caribbean Premier League as 29 July to 26 August. The 2014 and 2015 tournaments are planned to take place from 5 July to 10 August and 21 June to 26 July respectively.]Dates for the tournament were confirmed for the 2013 Caribbean Premier League as 29 July to 26 August. The 2014 and 2015 tournaments are planned to take place from 5 July to 10 August and 21 June to 26 July respectively.
All they do is drink and smoke weed and sail and drink and smoke cigarettes and watch All Blacks Rugby and drink and fish for the other 11 months of the year... and watch other cricket tournaments.
It's quite the life.
Edit: And they eat every variation of Trinidad Roti and curry known to man.
T20 (Twenty-twenty) cricket is a slugfest, and is spectacular to watch. It's kind of missing the point, though: which is to say that all the excitement interferes with the serious business of spending the entire day sitting in the sunshine, slowly eating and drinking yourself towards a nice long afternoon nap in your seat.
A sunny day with curry and jerk and seafood and grilled goat and Appelton and beer works for me.
Let's go, it's gotta be better than North Rogers Park (believe me I know, I used to live there).
First round is on me.
Mate, there is - possibly literally - nothing I would like better.
Well, okay... two lesbians, probably, sisters. I'm just watching. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0Tz9iGhrQY)
But apart from that, there is - possibly literally - nothing I would like better.
Quote from: Tonker on May 29, 2015, 01:23:59 AM
Quote from: flannj on May 28, 2015, 05:14:03 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 04:47:53 PM
Quote from: flannj on May 28, 2015, 04:09:38 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 03:10:55 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2015, 03:09:45 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 03:07:35 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 28, 2015, 03:04:28 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:59:52 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:56:35 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:53:02 PM
Quote from: Tonker on May 28, 2015, 02:52:24 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 02:15:54 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 28, 2015, 02:12:57 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 28, 2015, 02:12:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 21, 2015, 07:14:55 PM
Eloy's coming.
Quote
The Eloy Jimenez HR gives him the team lead with two, and he is now hitting 317/348/583 in 19 Cactus League EXST games (66 PA). In addition to the two home runs, Eloy also has four doubles and is tied for the team lead in triples with three (tied with Kevin Encarnacion), and he leads the team in RBI (15 ) and in runs scored (11). He has three walks and ten strikeouts in the 66 PA, and he has also stolen three bases (no CS).
But seriously, Eloy is fucking coming, y'all.
[quote = Yesterday's box score]
Eloy Jimenez, RF: 3-3 (1B, HR, 2B, 2 R, 6 RBI)
SKO'd.
Not that I'm not excited about Eloy Jimenez but on a scale from whatever the heck that "test cricket" is that I saw Tonk refer to on facebook to a CFL preseason game, where do extended spring training stats rank? I'm gonna say "low."
Ironically, "test" cricket is the highest level of cricket.
Intrepid reader: SKO
Huh, that sucks. Yay for 'Murica, fuck everything that's not 'Murica, etc. etc. etc.
I just googled test cricket and it sounds grueling. How the hell do people play that many hours a day for five days in a row without dying in fucking India?
Because they break for lunch, and afternoon tea, every day. And they have drinks brought out onto the field every hour or so. I'm not kidding.
Like Hi-C? Maybe some orange slices?
These days, I presume it's energy drinks. I did see one of the players drinking Red Bull on the field the other day. It used to be perfectly acceptable to smoke during play.
The schedule goes something like this:
Day 5: Match finishes in a draw.
Eloy would fuck own that.
Well since half the sport appears to be eating, drinking, and apparently in the old days smoking cigarettes, I feel like David Wells chose the wrong sport.
I have Caymanian friends that attend this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean_Premier_League)
QuoteDates for the tournament were confirmed for the 2013 Caribbean Premier League as 29 July to 26 August. The 2014 and 2015 tournaments are planned to take place from 5 July to 10 August and 21 June to 26 July respectively.]Dates for the tournament were confirmed for the 2013 Caribbean Premier League as 29 July to 26 August. The 2014 and 2015 tournaments are planned to take place from 5 July to 10 August and 21 June to 26 July respectively.
All they do is drink and smoke weed and sail and drink and smoke cigarettes and watch All Blacks Rugby and drink and fish for the other 11 months of the year... and watch other cricket tournaments.
It's quite the life.
Edit: And they eat every variation of Trinidad Roti and curry known to man.
T20 (Twenty-twenty) cricket is a slugfest, and is spectacular to watch. It's kind of missing the point, though: which is to say that all the excitement interferes with the serious business of spending the entire day sitting in the sunshine, slowly eating and drinking yourself towards a nice long afternoon nap in your seat.
A sunny day with curry and jerk and seafood and grilled goat and Appelton and beer works for me.
Let's go, it's gotta be better than North Rogers Park (believe me I know, I used to live there).
First round is on me.
Mate, there is - possibly literally - nothing I would like better.
Well, okay... two lesbians, probably, sisters. I'm just watching. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0Tz9iGhrQY)
But apart from that, there is - possibly literally - nothing I would like better.
Not to mention, Soca.
Just catching up on this Eloy stuff. So I'm curious as to the factors at work in his development. On one hand, he's 17. On another hand, he's finally starting organized, non-ST ball in mid June. On the third hand, I can't help but wonder if he's as good as the reports say if he's a 4 Years From Now Guy or a 2-3.
Quote from: Slaky on May 29, 2015, 08:44:57 AM
Just catching up on this Eloy stuff. So I'm curious as to the factors at work in his development. On one hand, he's 17. On another hand, he's finally starting organized, non-ST ball in mid June. On the third hand, I can't help but wonder if he's as good as the reports say if he's a 4 Years From Now Guy or a 2-3.
He's still very raw. 2019 would be the earliest optimistic ETA and that's if everything goes smoothly. Lots of work left to do.
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2015, 09:21:53 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 29, 2015, 08:44:57 AM
Just catching up on this Eloy stuff. So I'm curious as to the factors at work in his development. On one hand, he's 17. On another hand, he's finally starting organized, non-ST ball in mid June. On the third hand, I can't help but wonder if he's as good as the reports say if he's a 4 Years From Now Guy or a 2-3.
He's still very raw. 2019 would be the earliest optimistic ETA and that's if everything goes smoothly. Lots of work left to do.
Watching him playing short-season low-A starting in a few weeks will be a good opportunity to have a better sense of where he's at. If he dominates that level, he'll have a shot to make it to high A sometime next year. That's about best case.
2019 seems pretty fair for best case.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 10:39:43 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2015, 09:21:53 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 29, 2015, 08:44:57 AM
Just catching up on this Eloy stuff. So I'm curious as to the factors at work in his development. On one hand, he's 17. On another hand, he's finally starting organized, non-ST ball in mid June. On the third hand, I can't help but wonder if he's as good as the reports say if he's a 4 Years From Now Guy or a 2-3.
He's still very raw. 2019 would be the earliest optimistic ETA and that's if everything goes smoothly. Lots of work left to do.
Watching him playing short-season low-A starting in a few weeks will be a good opportunity to have a better sense of where he's at. If he dominates that level, he'll have a shot to make it to high A sometime next year. That's about best case.
2019 seems pretty fair for best case.
Wouldn't the best case scenario be that he goes the Andruw Jones route: dominates A, AA, and AAA next season and becomes a superstar as a 19 year old playing in the World Series?
Quote from: ChuckD on May 29, 2015, 10:50:40 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 10:39:43 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2015, 09:21:53 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 29, 2015, 08:44:57 AM
Just catching up on this Eloy stuff. So I'm curious as to the factors at work in his development. On one hand, he's 17. On another hand, he's finally starting organized, non-ST ball in mid June. On the third hand, I can't help but wonder if he's as good as the reports say if he's a 4 Years From Now Guy or a 2-3.
He's still very raw. 2019 would be the earliest optimistic ETA and that's if everything goes smoothly. Lots of work left to do.
Watching him playing short-season low-A starting in a few weeks will be a good opportunity to have a better sense of where he's at. If he dominates that level, he'll have a shot to make it to high A sometime next year. That's about best case.
2019 seems pretty fair for best case.
Wouldn't the best case scenario be that he goes the Andruw Jones route: dominates A, AA, and AAA next season and becomes a superstar as a 19 year old playing in the World Series?
Well our best case scenario for Kris Bryant was that was that he'd be a broken down husk (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/glaustr01.shtml) playing for the Cardinals in his 30s so we're not very optimistic chaps, apparently.
Quote from: ChuckD on May 29, 2015, 10:50:40 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 10:39:43 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2015, 09:21:53 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 29, 2015, 08:44:57 AM
Just catching up on this Eloy stuff. So I'm curious as to the factors at work in his development. On one hand, he's 17. On another hand, he's finally starting organized, non-ST ball in mid June. On the third hand, I can't help but wonder if he's as good as the reports say if he's a 4 Years From Now Guy or a 2-3.
He's still very raw. 2019 would be the earliest optimistic ETA and that's if everything goes smoothly. Lots of work left to do.
Watching him playing short-season low-A starting in a few weeks will be a good opportunity to have a better sense of where he's at. If he dominates that level, he'll have a shot to make it to high A sometime next year. That's about best case.
2019 seems pretty fair for best case.
Wouldn't the best case scenario be that he goes the Andruw Jones route: dominates A, AA, and AAA next season and becomes a superstar as a 19 year old playing in the World Series?
I'm willing to readjust expectations and allow this.
Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 10:53:49 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 29, 2015, 10:50:40 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 10:39:43 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2015, 09:21:53 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 29, 2015, 08:44:57 AM
Just catching up on this Eloy stuff. So I'm curious as to the factors at work in his development. On one hand, he's 17. On another hand, he's finally starting organized, non-ST ball in mid June. On the third hand, I can't help but wonder if he's as good as the reports say if he's a 4 Years From Now Guy or a 2-3.
He's still very raw. 2019 would be the earliest optimistic ETA and that's if everything goes smoothly. Lots of work left to do.
Watching him playing short-season low-A starting in a few weeks will be a good opportunity to have a better sense of where he's at. If he dominates that level, he'll have a shot to make it to high A sometime next year. That's about best case.
2019 seems pretty fair for best case.
Wouldn't the best case scenario be that he goes the Andruw Jones route: dominates A, AA, and AAA next season and becomes a superstar as a 19 year old playing in the World Series?
Well our best case scenario for Kris Bryant was that was that he'd be a broken down husk (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/glaustr01.shtml) playing for the Cardinals in his 30s so we're not very optimistic chaps, apparently.
I thought that was our worst-case scenario for Bryant.
Quote from: PANK! on May 29, 2015, 10:59:17 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 10:53:49 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 29, 2015, 10:50:40 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 10:39:43 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2015, 09:21:53 AM
Quote from: Slaky on May 29, 2015, 08:44:57 AM
Just catching up on this Eloy stuff. So I'm curious as to the factors at work in his development. On one hand, he's 17. On another hand, he's finally starting organized, non-ST ball in mid June. On the third hand, I can't help but wonder if he's as good as the reports say if he's a 4 Years From Now Guy or a 2-3.
He's still very raw. 2019 would be the earliest optimistic ETA and that's if everything goes smoothly. Lots of work left to do.
Watching him playing short-season low-A starting in a few weeks will be a good opportunity to have a better sense of where he's at. If he dominates that level, he'll have a shot to make it to high A sometime next year. That's about best case.
2019 seems pretty fair for best case.
Wouldn't the best case scenario be that he goes the Andruw Jones route: dominates A, AA, and AAA next season and becomes a superstar as a 19 year old playing in the World Series?
Well our best case scenario for Kris Bryant was that was that he'd be a broken down husk (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/glaustr01.shtml) playing for the Cardinals in his 30s so we're not very optimistic chaps, apparently.
I thought that was our worst-case scenario for Bryant.
I think the worst case scenario for Bryant was Mark Reynolds. Glaus was just the medium case, and if I remember correctly "a more handsome Babe Ruth" was the best case. I was just making another joke about Pen hating the Glaus Comp with a fiery passion.
Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 11:01:22 AM
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Just catching up on this Eloy stuff. So I'm curious as to the factors at work in his development. On one hand, he's 17. On another hand, he's finally starting organized, non-ST ball in mid June. On the third hand, I can't help but wonder if he's as good as the reports say if he's a 4 Years From Now Guy or a 2-3.
He's still very raw. 2019 would be the earliest optimistic ETA and that's if everything goes smoothly. Lots of work left to do.
Watching him playing short-season low-A starting in a few weeks will be a good opportunity to have a better sense of where he's at. If he dominates that level, he'll have a shot to make it to high A sometime next year. That's about best case.
2019 seems pretty fair for best case.
Wouldn't the best case scenario be that he goes the Andruw Jones route: dominates A, AA, and AAA next season and becomes a superstar as a 19 year old playing in the World Series?
Well our best case scenario for Kris Bryant was that was that he'd be a broken down husk (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/glaustr01.shtml) playing for the Cardinals in his 30s so we're not very optimistic chaps, apparently.
I thought that was our worst-case scenario for Bryant.
I think the worst case scenario for Bryant was Mark Reynolds. Glaus was just the medium case, and if I remember correctly "a more handsome Babe Ruth" was the best case. I was just making another joke about Pen hating the Glaus Comp with a fiery passion.
Through 168 plate appearances (actually 170 for Glaus)
Bryant: .275/.393/.478/.871 7 HR, 49/25 K/BB
Glaus: .222/.288/.294/.582 1 HR, 49/15 K/BB
So, in terms of Ks, they're pretty much the same person.
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Just catching up on this Eloy stuff. So I'm curious as to the factors at work in his development. On one hand, he's 17. On another hand, he's finally starting organized, non-ST ball in mid June. On the third hand, I can't help but wonder if he's as good as the reports say if he's a 4 Years From Now Guy or a 2-3.
He's still very raw. 2019 would be the earliest optimistic ETA and that's if everything goes smoothly. Lots of work left to do.
Watching him playing short-season low-A starting in a few weeks will be a good opportunity to have a better sense of where he's at. If he dominates that level, he'll have a shot to make it to high A sometime next year. That's about best case.
2019 seems pretty fair for best case.
Wouldn't the best case scenario be that he goes the Andruw Jones route: dominates A, AA, and AAA next season and becomes a superstar as a 19 year old playing in the World Series?
Well our best case scenario for Kris Bryant was that was that he'd be a broken down husk (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/glaustr01.shtml) playing for the Cardinals in his 30s so we're not very optimistic chaps, apparently.
I thought that was our worst-case scenario for Bryant.
I think the worst case scenario for Bryant was Mark Reynolds. Glaus was just the medium case, and if I remember correctly "a more handsome Babe Ruth" was the best case. I was just making another joke about Pen hating the Glaus Comp with a fiery passion.
Through 168 plate appearances (actually 170 for Glaus)
Bryant: .275/.393/.478/.871 7 HR, 49/25 K/BB
Glaus: .222/.288/.294/.582 1 HR, 49/15 K/BB
So, in terms of Ks, they're pretty much the same person.
Yeah it was a joke, son. Kris Bryant is the awesomest and we're all better for it.
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Just catching up on this Eloy stuff. So I'm curious as to the factors at work in his development. On one hand, he's 17. On another hand, he's finally starting organized, non-ST ball in mid June. On the third hand, I can't help but wonder if he's as good as the reports say if he's a 4 Years From Now Guy or a 2-3.
He's still very raw. 2019 would be the earliest optimistic ETA and that's if everything goes smoothly. Lots of work left to do.
Watching him playing short-season low-A starting in a few weeks will be a good opportunity to have a better sense of where he's at. If he dominates that level, he'll have a shot to make it to high A sometime next year. That's about best case.
2019 seems pretty fair for best case.
Wouldn't the best case scenario be that he goes the Andruw Jones route: dominates A, AA, and AAA next season and becomes a superstar as a 19 year old playing in the World Series?
Well our best case scenario for Kris Bryant was that was that he'd be a broken down husk (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/glaustr01.shtml) playing for the Cardinals in his 30s so we're not very optimistic chaps, apparently.
I thought that was our worst-case scenario for Bryant.
I think the worst case scenario for Bryant was Mark Reynolds. Glaus was just the medium case, and if I remember correctly "a more handsome Babe Ruth" was the best case. I was just making another joke about Pen hating the Glaus Comp with a fiery passion.
Through 168 plate appearances (actually 170 for Glaus)
Bryant: .275/.393/.478/.871 7 HR, 49/25 K/BB
Glaus: .222/.288/.294/.582 1 HR, 49/15 K/BB
So, in terms of Ks, they're pretty much the same person.
Yeah it was a joke, son. Kris Bryant is the awesomest and we're all better for it.
I'm never going to forgive you people.
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Just catching up on this Eloy stuff. So I'm curious as to the factors at work in his development. On one hand, he's 17. On another hand, he's finally starting organized, non-ST ball in mid June. On the third hand, I can't help but wonder if he's as good as the reports say if he's a 4 Years From Now Guy or a 2-3.
He's still very raw. 2019 would be the earliest optimistic ETA and that's if everything goes smoothly. Lots of work left to do.
Watching him playing short-season low-A starting in a few weeks will be a good opportunity to have a better sense of where he's at. If he dominates that level, he'll have a shot to make it to high A sometime next year. That's about best case.
2019 seems pretty fair for best case.
Wouldn't the best case scenario be that he goes the Andruw Jones route: dominates A, AA, and AAA next season and becomes a superstar as a 19 year old playing in the World Series?
Well our best case scenario for Kris Bryant was that was that he'd be a broken down husk (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/glaustr01.shtml) playing for the Cardinals in his 30s so we're not very optimistic chaps, apparently.
I thought that was our worst-case scenario for Bryant.
I think the worst case scenario for Bryant was Mark Reynolds. Glaus was just the medium case, and if I remember correctly "a more handsome Babe Ruth" was the best case. I was just making another joke about Pen hating the Glaus Comp with a fiery passion.
Through 168 plate appearances (actually 170 for Glaus)
Bryant: .275/.393/.478/.871 7 HR, 49/25 K/BB
Glaus: .222/.288/.294/.582 1 HR, 49/15 K/BB
So, in terms of Ks, they're pretty much the same person.
Yeah...but Glaus was 21 his rookie year.
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Just catching up on this Eloy stuff. So I'm curious as to the factors at work in his development. On one hand, he's 17. On another hand, he's finally starting organized, non-ST ball in mid June. On the third hand, I can't help but wonder if he's as good as the reports say if he's a 4 Years From Now Guy or a 2-3.
He's still very raw. 2019 would be the earliest optimistic ETA and that's if everything goes smoothly. Lots of work left to do.
Watching him playing short-season low-A starting in a few weeks will be a good opportunity to have a better sense of where he's at. If he dominates that level, he'll have a shot to make it to high A sometime next year. That's about best case.
2019 seems pretty fair for best case.
Wouldn't the best case scenario be that he goes the Andruw Jones route: dominates A, AA, and AAA next season and becomes a superstar as a 19 year old playing in the World Series?
Well our best case scenario for Kris Bryant was that was that he'd be a broken down husk (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/glaustr01.shtml) playing for the Cardinals in his 30s so we're not very optimistic chaps, apparently.
I thought that was our worst-case scenario for Bryant.
I think the worst case scenario for Bryant was Mark Reynolds. Glaus was just the medium case, and if I remember correctly "a more handsome Babe Ruth" was the best case. I was just making another joke about Pen hating the Glaus Comp with a fiery passion.
Through 168 plate appearances (actually 170 for Glaus)
Bryant: .275/.393/.478/.871 7 HR, 49/25 K/BB
Glaus: .222/.288/.294/.582 1 HR, 49/15 K/BB
So, in terms of Ks, they're pretty much the same person.
Yeah...but Glaus was 21 his rookie year.
Pen already made this exact post like a month ago and Eli already made that exact reply and posted Glaus Age 23 season when he hit 47 homers. Then Pen posted a Kurt Photoshop of Eli wearing a Glaus jersey and apparently Desipio today is a re-run.
See:
Quote from: PenFoe on May 15, 2015, 04:06:07 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 15, 2015, 03:29:32 PM
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First 96 ABs:
Kris Bryant: .281/.419/.479 4 HR, 37 Ks/21 BBs.
Troy Glaus: .226/.286/.330 1 HR, 25 Ks/9 BBs
Comparing ages:
Troy Glaus age 23 season: .284/.404./.604, 47 HR. Let's hope for that.
Eli at Bryant's HOF Induction: 2042
(http://i.imgur.com/Xai8GTW.jpg)
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Just catching up on this Eloy stuff. So I'm curious as to the factors at work in his development. On one hand, he's 17. On another hand, he's finally starting organized, non-ST ball in mid June. On the third hand, I can't help but wonder if he's as good as the reports say if he's a 4 Years From Now Guy or a 2-3.
He's still very raw. 2019 would be the earliest optimistic ETA and that's if everything goes smoothly. Lots of work left to do.
Watching him playing short-season low-A starting in a few weeks will be a good opportunity to have a better sense of where he's at. If he dominates that level, he'll have a shot to make it to high A sometime next year. That's about best case.
2019 seems pretty fair for best case.
Wouldn't the best case scenario be that he goes the Andruw Jones route: dominates A, AA, and AAA next season and becomes a superstar as a 19 year old playing in the World Series?
Well our best case scenario for Kris Bryant was that was that he'd be a broken down husk (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/glaustr01.shtml) playing for the Cardinals in his 30s so we're not very optimistic chaps, apparently.
I thought that was our worst-case scenario for Bryant.
I think the worst case scenario for Bryant was Mark Reynolds. Glaus was just the medium case, and if I remember correctly "a more handsome Babe Ruth" was the best case. I was just making another joke about Pen hating the Glaus Comp with a fiery passion.
Through 168 plate appearances (actually 170 for Glaus)
Bryant: .275/.393/.478/.871 7 HR, 49/25 K/BB
Glaus: .222/.288/.294/.582 1 HR, 49/15 K/BB
So, in terms of Ks, they're pretty much the same person.
Yeah...but Glaus was 21 his rookie year.
Pen already made this exact post like a month ago and Eli already made that exact reply and posted Glaus Age 23 season when he hit 47 homers. Then Pen posted a Kurt Photoshop of Eli wearing a Glaus jersey and apparently Desipio today is a re-run.
I was checking out Glaus' page. He's 38 today. Weird that he retired at age 33 - I guess he must have broken down? I don't recall what happened there. In any case he maximized the hell out of his time in the bigs.
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Just catching up on this Eloy stuff. So I'm curious as to the factors at work in his development. On one hand, he's 17. On another hand, he's finally starting organized, non-ST ball in mid June. On the third hand, I can't help but wonder if he's as good as the reports say if he's a 4 Years From Now Guy or a 2-3.
He's still very raw. 2019 would be the earliest optimistic ETA and that's if everything goes smoothly. Lots of work left to do.
Watching him playing short-season low-A starting in a few weeks will be a good opportunity to have a better sense of where he's at. If he dominates that level, he'll have a shot to make it to high A sometime next year. That's about best case.
2019 seems pretty fair for best case.
Wouldn't the best case scenario be that he goes the Andruw Jones route: dominates A, AA, and AAA next season and becomes a superstar as a 19 year old playing in the World Series?
Well our best case scenario for Kris Bryant was that was that he'd be a broken down husk (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/glaustr01.shtml) playing for the Cardinals in his 30s so we're not very optimistic chaps, apparently.
I thought that was our worst-case scenario for Bryant.
I think the worst case scenario for Bryant was Mark Reynolds. Glaus was just the medium case, and if I remember correctly "a more handsome Babe Ruth" was the best case. I was just making another joke about Pen hating the Glaus Comp with a fiery passion.
Through 168 plate appearances (actually 170 for Glaus)
Bryant: .275/.393/.478/.871 7 HR, 49/25 K/BB
Glaus: .222/.288/.294/.582 1 HR, 49/15 K/BB
So, in terms of Ks, they're pretty much the same person.
Yeah...but Glaus was 21 his rookie year.
Pen already made this exact post like a month ago and Eli already made that exact reply and posted Glaus Age 23 season when he hit 47 homers. Then Pen posted a Kurt Photoshop of Eli wearing a Glaus jersey and apparently Desipio today is a re-run.
I was checking out Glaus' page. He's 38 today. Weird that he retired at age 33 - I guess he must have broken down? I don't recall what happened there. In any case he maximized the hell out of his time in the bigs.
If by maximized you mean he made almost $79 million, then yes - he maximized his time.
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Just catching up on this Eloy stuff. So I'm curious as to the factors at work in his development. On one hand, he's 17. On another hand, he's finally starting organized, non-ST ball in mid June. On the third hand, I can't help but wonder if he's as good as the reports say if he's a 4 Years From Now Guy or a 2-3.
He's still very raw. 2019 would be the earliest optimistic ETA and that's if everything goes smoothly. Lots of work left to do.
Watching him playing short-season low-A starting in a few weeks will be a good opportunity to have a better sense of where he's at. If he dominates that level, he'll have a shot to make it to high A sometime next year. That's about best case.
2019 seems pretty fair for best case.
Wouldn't the best case scenario be that he goes the Andruw Jones route: dominates A, AA, and AAA next season and becomes a superstar as a 19 year old playing in the World Series?
Well our best case scenario for Kris Bryant was that was that he'd be a broken down husk (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/glaustr01.shtml) playing for the Cardinals in his 30s so we're not very optimistic chaps, apparently.
I thought that was our worst-case scenario for Bryant.
I think the worst case scenario for Bryant was Mark Reynolds. Glaus was just the medium case, and if I remember correctly "a more handsome Babe Ruth" was the best case. I was just making another joke about Pen hating the Glaus Comp with a fiery passion.
Through 168 plate appearances (actually 170 for Glaus)
Bryant: .275/.393/.478/.871 7 HR, 49/25 K/BB
Glaus: .222/.288/.294/.582 1 HR, 49/15 K/BB
So, in terms of Ks, they're pretty much the same person.
Yeah...but Glaus was 21 his rookie year.
Pen already made this exact post like a month ago and Eli already made that exact reply and posted Glaus Age 23 season when he hit 47 homers. Then Pen posted a Kurt Photoshop of Eli wearing a Glaus jersey and apparently Desipio today is a re-run.
I was checking out Glaus' page. He's 38 today. Weird that he retired at age 33 - I guess he must have broken down? I don't recall what happened there. In any case he maximized the hell out of his time in the bigs.
He had serious back injuries starting around 2003 if I remember. Made him pretty useless in the field after a while and shortened his career, but he had an OPS+ of 113 or greater in basically every year he played. It's STILL not an insult to say Bryant has similar ability regardless of what Pen thinks, you'd just hope that Bryant has better health.
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Just catching up on this Eloy stuff. So I'm curious as to the factors at work in his development. On one hand, he's 17. On another hand, he's finally starting organized, non-ST ball in mid June. On the third hand, I can't help but wonder if he's as good as the reports say if he's a 4 Years From Now Guy or a 2-3.
He's still very raw. 2019 would be the earliest optimistic ETA and that's if everything goes smoothly. Lots of work left to do.
Watching him playing short-season low-A starting in a few weeks will be a good opportunity to have a better sense of where he's at. If he dominates that level, he'll have a shot to make it to high A sometime next year. That's about best case.
2019 seems pretty fair for best case.
Wouldn't the best case scenario be that he goes the Andruw Jones route: dominates A, AA, and AAA next season and becomes a superstar as a 19 year old playing in the World Series?
Well our best case scenario for Kris Bryant was that was that he'd be a broken down husk (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/glaustr01.shtml) playing for the Cardinals in his 30s so we're not very optimistic chaps, apparently.
I thought that was our worst-case scenario for Bryant.
I think the worst case scenario for Bryant was Mark Reynolds. Glaus was just the medium case, and if I remember correctly "a more handsome Babe Ruth" was the best case. I was just making another joke about Pen hating the Glaus Comp with a fiery passion.
Through 168 plate appearances (actually 170 for Glaus)
Bryant: .275/.393/.478/.871 7 HR, 49/25 K/BB
Glaus: .222/.288/.294/.582 1 HR, 49/15 K/BB
So, in terms of Ks, they're pretty much the same person.
Yeah...but Glaus was 21 his rookie year.
Pen already made this exact post like a month ago and Eli already made that exact reply and posted Glaus Age 23 season when he hit 47 homers. Then Pen posted a Kurt Photoshop of Eli wearing a Glaus jersey and apparently Desipio today is a re-run.
I was checking out Glaus' page. He's 38 today. Weird that he retired at age 33 - I guess he must have broken down? I don't recall what happened there. In any case he maximized the hell out of his time in the bigs.
If by maximized you mean he made almost $79 million, then yes - he maximized his time.
I meant his offensive numbers you imbecile.
Speaking of money Darryl Strawberry only made 30 million for his whole career.
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Just catching up on this Eloy stuff. So I'm curious as to the factors at work in his development. On one hand, he's 17. On another hand, he's finally starting organized, non-ST ball in mid June. On the third hand, I can't help but wonder if he's as good as the reports say if he's a 4 Years From Now Guy or a 2-3.
He's still very raw. 2019 would be the earliest optimistic ETA and that's if everything goes smoothly. Lots of work left to do.
Watching him playing short-season low-A starting in a few weeks will be a good opportunity to have a better sense of where he's at. If he dominates that level, he'll have a shot to make it to high A sometime next year. That's about best case.
2019 seems pretty fair for best case.
Wouldn't the best case scenario be that he goes the Andruw Jones route: dominates A, AA, and AAA next season and becomes a superstar as a 19 year old playing in the World Series?
Well our best case scenario for Kris Bryant was that was that he'd be a broken down husk (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/glaustr01.shtml) playing for the Cardinals in his 30s so we're not very optimistic chaps, apparently.
I thought that was our worst-case scenario for Bryant.
I think the worst case scenario for Bryant was Mark Reynolds. Glaus was just the medium case, and if I remember correctly "a more handsome Babe Ruth" was the best case. I was just making another joke about Pen hating the Glaus Comp with a fiery passion.
Through 168 plate appearances (actually 170 for Glaus)
Bryant: .275/.393/.478/.871 7 HR, 49/25 K/BB
Glaus: .222/.288/.294/.582 1 HR, 49/15 K/BB
So, in terms of Ks, they're pretty much the same person.
Yeah...but Glaus was 21 his rookie year.
Pen already made this exact post like a month ago and Eli already made that exact reply and posted Glaus Age 23 season when he hit 47 homers. Then Pen posted a Kurt Photoshop of Eli wearing a Glaus jersey and apparently Desipio today is a re-run.
I was checking out Glaus' page. He's 38 today. Weird that he retired at age 33 - I guess he must have broken down? I don't recall what happened there. In any case he maximized the hell out of his time in the bigs.
If by maximized you mean he made almost $79 million, then yes - he maximized his time.
I meant his offensive numbers you imbecile.
Speaking of money Darryl Strawberry only made 30 million for his whole career.
You can buy plenty of coke for 30 mill.
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Just catching up on this Eloy stuff. So I'm curious as to the factors at work in his development. On one hand, he's 17. On another hand, he's finally starting organized, non-ST ball in mid June. On the third hand, I can't help but wonder if he's as good as the reports say if he's a 4 Years From Now Guy or a 2-3.
He's still very raw. 2019 would be the earliest optimistic ETA and that's if everything goes smoothly. Lots of work left to do.
Watching him playing short-season low-A starting in a few weeks will be a good opportunity to have a better sense of where he's at. If he dominates that level, he'll have a shot to make it to high A sometime next year. That's about best case.
2019 seems pretty fair for best case.
Wouldn't the best case scenario be that he goes the Andruw Jones route: dominates A, AA, and AAA next season and becomes a superstar as a 19 year old playing in the World Series?
Well our best case scenario for Kris Bryant was that was that he'd be a broken down husk (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/glaustr01.shtml) playing for the Cardinals in his 30s so we're not very optimistic chaps, apparently.
I thought that was our worst-case scenario for Bryant.
I think the worst case scenario for Bryant was Mark Reynolds. Glaus was just the medium case, and if I remember correctly "a more handsome Babe Ruth" was the best case. I was just making another joke about Pen hating the Glaus Comp with a fiery passion.
Through 168 plate appearances (actually 170 for Glaus)
Bryant: .275/.393/.478/.871 7 HR, 49/25 K/BB
Glaus: .222/.288/.294/.582 1 HR, 49/15 K/BB
So, in terms of Ks, they're pretty much the same person.
Yeah...but Glaus was 21 his rookie year.
Pen already made this exact post like a month ago and Eli already made that exact reply and posted Glaus Age 23 season when he hit 47 homers. Then Pen posted a Kurt Photoshop of Eli wearing a Glaus jersey and apparently Desipio today is a re-run.
I was checking out Glaus' page. He's 38 today. Weird that he retired at age 33 - I guess he must have broken down? I don't recall what happened there. In any case he maximized the hell out of his time in the bigs.
If by maximized you mean he made almost $79 million, then yes - he maximized his time.
I meant his offensive numbers you imbecile.
Speaking of money Darryl Strawberry only made 30 million for his whole career.
You can buy plenty of coke for 30 mill.
Or cake. You can buy fucking LOADS of cake for 30 mill.
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Just catching up on this Eloy stuff. So I'm curious as to the factors at work in his development. On one hand, he's 17. On another hand, he's finally starting organized, non-ST ball in mid June. On the third hand, I can't help but wonder if he's as good as the reports say if he's a 4 Years From Now Guy or a 2-3.
He's still very raw. 2019 would be the earliest optimistic ETA and that's if everything goes smoothly. Lots of work left to do.
Watching him playing short-season low-A starting in a few weeks will be a good opportunity to have a better sense of where he's at. If he dominates that level, he'll have a shot to make it to high A sometime next year. That's about best case.
2019 seems pretty fair for best case.
Wouldn't the best case scenario be that he goes the Andruw Jones route: dominates A, AA, and AAA next season and becomes a superstar as a 19 year old playing in the World Series?
Well our best case scenario for Kris Bryant was that was that he'd be a broken down husk (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/glaustr01.shtml) playing for the Cardinals in his 30s so we're not very optimistic chaps, apparently.
I thought that was our worst-case scenario for Bryant.
I think the worst case scenario for Bryant was Mark Reynolds. Glaus was just the medium case, and if I remember correctly "a more handsome Babe Ruth" was the best case. I was just making another joke about Pen hating the Glaus Comp with a fiery passion.
Through 168 plate appearances (actually 170 for Glaus)
Bryant: .275/.393/.478/.871 7 HR, 49/25 K/BB
Glaus: .222/.288/.294/.582 1 HR, 49/15 K/BB
So, in terms of Ks, they're pretty much the same person.
Yeah...but Glaus was 21 his rookie year.
Pen already made this exact post like a month ago and Eli already made that exact reply and posted Glaus Age 23 season when he hit 47 homers. Then Pen posted a Kurt Photoshop of Eli wearing a Glaus jersey and apparently Desipio today is a re-run.
I was checking out Glaus' page. He's 38 today. Weird that he retired at age 33 - I guess he must have broken down? I don't recall what happened there. In any case he maximized the hell out of his time in the bigs.
If by maximized you mean he made almost $79 million, then yes - he maximized his time.
I meant his offensive numbers you imbecile.
Speaking of money Darryl Strawberry only made 30 million for his whole career.
You can buy plenty of coke for 30 mill.
Or cake. You can buy fucking LOADS of cake for 30 mill.
Javy Baez certainly could.
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Just catching up on this Eloy stuff. So I'm curious as to the factors at work in his development. On one hand, he's 17. On another hand, he's finally starting organized, non-ST ball in mid June. On the third hand, I can't help but wonder if he's as good as the reports say if he's a 4 Years From Now Guy or a 2-3.
He's still very raw. 2019 would be the earliest optimistic ETA and that's if everything goes smoothly. Lots of work left to do.
Watching him playing short-season low-A starting in a few weeks will be a good opportunity to have a better sense of where he's at. If he dominates that level, he'll have a shot to make it to high A sometime next year. That's about best case.
2019 seems pretty fair for best case.
Wouldn't the best case scenario be that he goes the Andruw Jones route: dominates A, AA, and AAA next season and becomes a superstar as a 19 year old playing in the World Series?
Well our best case scenario for Kris Bryant was that was that he'd be a broken down husk (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/glaustr01.shtml) playing for the Cardinals in his 30s so we're not very optimistic chaps, apparently.
I thought that was our worst-case scenario for Bryant.
I think the worst case scenario for Bryant was Mark Reynolds. Glaus was just the medium case, and if I remember correctly "a more handsome Babe Ruth" was the best case. I was just making another joke about Pen hating the Glaus Comp with a fiery passion.
Through 168 plate appearances (actually 170 for Glaus)
Bryant: .275/.393/.478/.871 7 HR, 49/25 K/BB
Glaus: .222/.288/.294/.582 1 HR, 49/15 K/BB
So, in terms of Ks, they're pretty much the same person.
Yeah...but Glaus was 21 his rookie year.
Pen already made this exact post like a month ago and Eli already made that exact reply and posted Glaus Age 23 season when he hit 47 homers. Then Pen posted a Kurt Photoshop of Eli wearing a Glaus jersey and apparently Desipio today is a re-run.
I was checking out Glaus' page. He's 38 today. Weird that he retired at age 33 - I guess he must have broken down? I don't recall what happened there. In any case he maximized the hell out of his time in the bigs.
If by maximized you mean he made almost $79 million, then yes - he maximized his time.
I meant his offensive numbers you imbecile.
Speaking of money Darryl Strawberry only made 30 million for his whole career.
Yeah, but a) contracts weren't as lucrative then and b) that's in 1980s and 1990s dollars. It's $52 million when adjusted for inflation. Despite getting an SI cover for the size of his contract, Sandberg only made $25 million ($41 million in 2015 dollars) over the course of his career and he played in 600 more games than Strawberry.
Quote from: Slaky on May 29, 2015, 12:00:09 PM
I meant his offensive numbers you imbecile.
As has been established, Pen's brain is not capable of segmentation.
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Quote from: Slaky on May 29, 2015, 12:00:09 PM
I meant his offensive numbers you imbecile.
As has been established, Pen's brain is not capable of segmentation.
We run segmentation studies all the time at work.
None of them include Troy Glaus.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 12:35:25 PM
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I meant his offensive numbers you imbecile.
As has been established, Pen's brain is not capable of segmentation.
We run segmentation studies all the time at work.
None of them include Troy Glaus.
Why would they? Is he the new spokesman for Glutino or something?
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I meant his offensive numbers you imbecile.
As has been established, Pen's brain is not capable of segmentation.
We run segmentation studies all the time at work.
None of them include Troy Glaus.
Why would they? Is he the new spokesman for Glutino or something?
Why would we run a segmentation against a spokesperson?
They're for consumer research and target insights, not concept testing.
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Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 12:35:25 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2015, 12:31:56 PM
Quote from: Slaky on May 29, 2015, 12:00:09 PM
I meant his offensive numbers you imbecile.
As has been established, Pen's brain is not capable of segmentation.
We run segmentation studies all the time at work.
None of them include Troy Glaus.
Why would they? Is he the new spokesman for Glutino or something?
Why would we run a segmentation against a spokesperson?
They're for consumer research and target insights, not concept testing.
You guys test that stuff? What were the concepts that you
didn't go with when you tested The General?
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Quote from: Eli on May 29, 2015, 12:31:56 PM
Quote from: Slaky on May 29, 2015, 12:00:09 PM
I meant his offensive numbers you imbecile.
As has been established, Pen's brain is not capable of segmentation.
We run segmentation studies all the time at work.
None of them include Troy Glaus.
Why would they? Is he the new spokesman for Glutino or something?
Why would we run a segmentation against a spokesperson?
They're for consumer research and target insights, not concept testing.
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The Artist Formerly Known As CJ Edwards just got promoted to AAA according to his agent's twitter so I'm guessing he might be on the fast track to a stint in the big league pen this season.
He's got a young Marmol-esque 13.7 K/9 at AA this year, but an older Marmol-esque 6.5 BB/9, although it seems like his control has improved as the season's gone on.
Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 12:53:00 PM
The Artist Formerly Known As CJ Edwards just got promoted to AAA according to his agent's twitter so I'm guessing he might be on the fast track to a stint in the big league pen this season.
He's got a young Marmol-esque 13.7 K/9 at AA this year, but an older Marmol-esque 6.5 BB/9, although it seems like his control has improved as the season's gone on.
As much as I've been longing for him to shift back to the rotation, I'm
finally coming around to him winning his 4 Cy Youngs as a closer.
He's been pretty lights out in Tennessee for the last few weeks.
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Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 12:53:00 PM
The Artist Formerly Known As CJ Edwards just got promoted to AAA according to his agent's twitter so I'm guessing he might be on the fast track to a stint in the big league pen this season.
He's got a young Marmol-esque 13.7 K/9 at AA this year, but an older Marmol-esque 6.5 BB/9, although it seems like his control has improved as the season's gone on.
As much as I've been longing for him to shift back to the rotation, I'm finally coming around to him winning his 4 Cy Youngs as a closer.
He's been pretty lights out in Tennessee for the last few weeks.
He's been pitching lots of 2 inning stints. Maybe he can be the guy that comes in for Wada with 2 outs in the 5th and K's everyone for the next two innings.
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Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 12:53:00 PM
The Artist Formerly Known As CJ Edwards just got promoted to AAA according to his agent's twitter so I'm guessing he might be on the fast track to a stint in the big league pen this season.
He's got a young Marmol-esque 13.7 K/9 at AA this year, but an older Marmol-esque 6.5 BB/9, although it seems like his control has improved as the season's gone on.
As much as I've been longing for him to shift back to the rotation, I'm finally coming around to him winning his 4 Cy Youngs as a closer.
He's been pretty lights out in Tennessee for the last few weeks.
He's been pitching lots of 2 inning stints. Maybe he can be the guy that comes in for Wada with 2 outs in the 5th and K's everyone for the next two innings.
I could see that short term, but long term he seems like an 8th or 9th inning guy.
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The Artist Formerly Known As CJ Edwards just got promoted to AAA according to his agent's twitter so I'm guessing he might be on the fast track to a stint in the big league pen this season.
He's got a young Marmol-esque 13.7 K/9 at AA this year, but an older Marmol-esque 6.5 BB/9, although it seems like his control has improved as the season's gone on.
As much as I've been longing for him to shift back to the rotation, I'm finally coming around to him winning his 4 Cy Youngs as a closer.
He's been pretty lights out in Tennessee for the last few weeks.
He's been pitching lots of 2 inning stints. Maybe he can be the guy that comes in for Wada with 2 outs in the 5th and K's everyone for the next two innings.
I could see that short term, but long term he seems like an 8th or 9th inning guy.
Why?
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Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 12:53:00 PM
The Artist Formerly Known As CJ Edwards just got promoted to AAA according to his agent's twitter so I'm guessing he might be on the fast track to a stint in the big league pen this season.
He's got a young Marmol-esque 13.7 K/9 at AA this year, but an older Marmol-esque 6.5 BB/9, although it seems like his control has improved as the season's gone on.
As much as I've been longing for him to shift back to the rotation, I'm finally coming around to him winning his 4 Cy Youngs as a closer.
He's been pretty lights out in Tennessee for the last few weeks.
He's been pitching lots of 2 inning stints. Maybe he can be the guy that comes in for Wada with 2 outs in the 5th and K's everyone for the next two innings.
I could see that short term, but long term he seems like an 8th or 9th inning guy.
Why?
'Cuz he throws real hard and Pen lacks any kind of imagination.
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Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 12:53:00 PM
The Artist Formerly Known As CJ Edwards just got promoted to AAA according to his agent's twitter so I'm guessing he might be on the fast track to a stint in the big league pen this season.
He's got a young Marmol-esque 13.7 K/9 at AA this year, but an older Marmol-esque 6.5 BB/9, although it seems like his control has improved as the season's gone on.
As much as I've been longing for him to shift back to the rotation, I'm finally coming around to him winning his 4 Cy Youngs as a closer.
He's been pretty lights out in Tennessee for the last few weeks.
He's been pitching lots of 2 inning stints. Maybe he can be the guy that comes in for Wada with 2 outs in the 5th and K's everyone for the next two innings.
I could see that short term, but long term he seems like an 8th or 9th inning guy.
Why?
'Cuz he throws real hard and Pen lacks any kind of imagination.
Because that's where all the best relievers are and he's going to be the best reliever, versus the Edwin Jackson role you've put him in.
But it's imaginative, I'll give you that.
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Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 12:53:00 PM
The Artist Formerly Known As CJ Edwards just got promoted to AAA according to his agent's twitter so I'm guessing he might be on the fast track to a stint in the big league pen this season.
He's got a young Marmol-esque 13.7 K/9 at AA this year, but an older Marmol-esque 6.5 BB/9, although it seems like his control has improved as the season's gone on.
As much as I've been longing for him to shift back to the rotation, I'm finally coming around to him winning his 4 Cy Youngs as a closer.
He's been pretty lights out in Tennessee for the last few weeks.
He's been pitching lots of 2 inning stints. Maybe he can be the guy that comes in for Wada with 2 outs in the 5th and K's everyone for the next two innings.
I could see that short term, but long term he seems like an 8th or 9th inning guy.
Why?
'Cuz he throws real hard and Pen lacks any kind of imagination.
Because that's where all the best relievers are and he's going to be the best reliever, versus the Edwin Jackson role you've put him in.
But it's imaginative, I'll give you that.
Yeah, being the guy who comes in and is asked to handle the entire third time through the order in ballgames where you have a slim lead or are tied is exactly what Edwin Jackson's being used for.
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Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 12:53:00 PM
The Artist Formerly Known As CJ Edwards just got promoted to AAA according to his agent's twitter so I'm guessing he might be on the fast track to a stint in the big league pen this season.
He's got a young Marmol-esque 13.7 K/9 at AA this year, but an older Marmol-esque 6.5 BB/9, although it seems like his control has improved as the season's gone on.
As much as I've been longing for him to shift back to the rotation, I'm finally coming around to him winning his 4 Cy Youngs as a closer.
He's been pretty lights out in Tennessee for the last few weeks.
He's been pitching lots of 2 inning stints. Maybe he can be the guy that comes in for Wada with 2 outs in the 5th and K's everyone for the next two innings.
I could see that short term, but long term he seems like an 8th or 9th inning guy.
Why?
'Cuz he throws real hard and Pen lacks any kind of imagination.
Because that's where all the best relievers are and he's going to be the best reliever, versus the Edwin Jackson role you've put him in.
But it's imaginative, I'll give you that.
Yeah, being the guy who comes in and is asked to handle the entire third time through the order in ballgames where you have a slim lead or are tied is exactly what Edwin Jackson's being used for.
I think it makes a ton of sense to take the guy who's projected by me to be awesome and use him only when the starter is struggling.
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Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 12:53:00 PM
The Artist Formerly Known As CJ Edwards just got promoted to AAA according to his agent's twitter so I'm guessing he might be on the fast track to a stint in the big league pen this season.
He's got a young Marmol-esque 13.7 K/9 at AA this year, but an older Marmol-esque 6.5 BB/9, although it seems like his control has improved as the season's gone on.
As much as I've been longing for him to shift back to the rotation, I'm finally coming around to him winning his 4 Cy Youngs as a closer.
He's been pretty lights out in Tennessee for the last few weeks.
He's been pitching lots of 2 inning stints. Maybe he can be the guy that comes in for Wada with 2 outs in the 5th and K's everyone for the next two innings.
I could see that short term, but long term he seems like an 8th or 9th inning guy.
Why?
'Cuz he throws real hard and Pen lacks any kind of imagination.
Because that's where all the best relievers are and he's going to be the best reliever, versus the Edwin Jackson role you've put him in.
But it's imaginative, I'll give you that.
Yeah, being the guy who comes in and is asked to handle the entire third time through the order in ballgames where you have a slim lead or are tied is exactly what Edwin Jackson's being used for.
I think it makes a ton of sense to take the guy who's projected by me to be awesome and use him only when the starter is struggling.
That role would actually be extremely useful and high leverage and more important than typecasting a dude as an 8th inning guy or closer only, but thanks for the input, Mike Matheny.
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Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 01:02:48 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 12:53:00 PM
The Artist Formerly Known As CJ Edwards just got promoted to AAA according to his agent's twitter so I'm guessing he might be on the fast track to a stint in the big league pen this season.
He's got a young Marmol-esque 13.7 K/9 at AA this year, but an older Marmol-esque 6.5 BB/9, although it seems like his control has improved as the season's gone on.
As much as I've been longing for him to shift back to the rotation, I'm finally coming around to him winning his 4 Cy Youngs as a closer.
He's been pretty lights out in Tennessee for the last few weeks.
He's been pitching lots of 2 inning stints. Maybe he can be the guy that comes in for Wada with 2 outs in the 5th and K's everyone for the next two innings.
I could see that short term, but long term he seems like an 8th or 9th inning guy.
Why?
'Cuz he throws real hard and Pen lacks any kind of imagination.
Because that's where all the best relievers are and he's going to be the best reliever, versus the Edwin Jackson role you've put him in.
But it's imaginative, I'll give you that.
Yeah, being the guy who comes in and is asked to handle the entire third time through the order in ballgames where you have a slim lead or are tied is exactly what Edwin Jackson's being used for.
I think it makes a ton of sense to take the guy who's projected by me to be awesome and use him only when the starter is struggling.
That role would actually be extremely useful and high leverage and more important than typecasting a dude as an 8th inning guy or closer only, but thanks for the input, Mike Matheny.
It's remarkable with all your deep knowledge and innovation that you're so ahead of the curve that no one else utilizes this role for their best relievers.
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Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 12:53:00 PM
The Artist Formerly Known As CJ Edwards just got promoted to AAA according to his agent's twitter so I'm guessing he might be on the fast track to a stint in the big league pen this season.
He's got a young Marmol-esque 13.7 K/9 at AA this year, but an older Marmol-esque 6.5 BB/9, although it seems like his control has improved as the season's gone on.
As much as I've been longing for him to shift back to the rotation, I'm finally coming around to him winning his 4 Cy Youngs as a closer.
He's been pretty lights out in Tennessee for the last few weeks.
He's been pitching lots of 2 inning stints. Maybe he can be the guy that comes in for Wada with 2 outs in the 5th and K's everyone for the next two innings.
I could see that short term, but long term he seems like an 8th or 9th inning guy.
Why?
'Cuz he throws real hard and Pen lacks any kind of imagination.
Because that's where all the best relievers are and he's going to be the best reliever, versus the Edwin Jackson role you've put him in.
But it's imaginative, I'll give you that.
Yeah, being the guy who comes in and is asked to handle the entire third time through the order in ballgames where you have a slim lead or are tied is exactly what Edwin Jackson's being used for.
I think it makes a ton of sense to take the guy who's projected by me to be awesome and use him only when the starter is struggling.
That role would actually be extremely useful and high leverage and more important than typecasting a dude as an 8th inning guy or closer only, but thanks for the input, Mike Matheny.
It's remarkable with all your deep knowledge and innovation that you're so ahead of the curve that no one else utilizes this role for their best relievers.
Yeah I'm definitely the first guy on this board, let alone the internet, to suggest that your best relievers be used wherever they're most needed rather than just penciled in for the 8th or 9th inning because tradition.
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The Artist Formerly Known As CJ Edwards just got promoted to AAA according to his agent's twitter so I'm guessing he might be on the fast track to a stint in the big league pen this season.
He's got a young Marmol-esque 13.7 K/9 at AA this year, but an older Marmol-esque 6.5 BB/9, although it seems like his control has improved as the season's gone on.
As much as I've been longing for him to shift back to the rotation, I'm finally coming around to him winning his 4 Cy Youngs as a closer.
He's been pretty lights out in Tennessee for the last few weeks.
He's been pitching lots of 2 inning stints. Maybe he can be the guy that comes in for Wada with 2 outs in the 5th and K's everyone for the next two innings.
I could see that short term, but long term he seems like an 8th or 9th inning guy.
Why?
'Cuz he throws real hard and Pen lacks any kind of imagination.
Because that's where all the best relievers are and he's going to be the best reliever, versus the Edwin Jackson role you've put him in.
But it's imaginative, I'll give you that.
Yeah, being the guy who comes in and is asked to handle the entire third time through the order in ballgames where you have a slim lead or are tied is exactly what Edwin Jackson's being used for.
I think it makes a ton of sense to take the guy who's projected by me to be awesome and use him only when the starter is struggling.
That role would actually be extremely useful and high leverage and more important than typecasting a dude as an 8th inning guy or closer only, but thanks for the input, Mike Matheny.
It's remarkable with all your deep knowledge and innovation that you're so ahead of the curve that no one else utilizes this role for their best relievers.
Yeah I'm definitely the first guy on this board, let alone the internet, to suggest that your best relievers be used wherever they're most needed rather than just penciled in for the 8th or 9th inning because tradition.
Ahem. (http://www.richmolnar.com/Sounds/Homer%20-%20Will%20you%20two%20shut%20up!.wav)
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The Artist Formerly Known As CJ Edwards just got promoted to AAA according to his agent's twitter so I'm guessing he might be on the fast track to a stint in the big league pen this season.
He's got a young Marmol-esque 13.7 K/9 at AA this year, but an older Marmol-esque 6.5 BB/9, although it seems like his control has improved as the season's gone on.
As much as I've been longing for him to shift back to the rotation, I'm finally coming around to him winning his 4 Cy Youngs as a closer.
He's been pretty lights out in Tennessee for the last few weeks.
He's been pitching lots of 2 inning stints. Maybe he can be the guy that comes in for Wada with 2 outs in the 5th and K's everyone for the next two innings.
I could see that short term, but long term he seems like an 8th or 9th inning guy.
Why?
'Cuz he throws real hard and Pen lacks any kind of imagination.
Because that's where all the best relievers are and he's going to be the best reliever, versus the Edwin Jackson role you've put him in.
But it's imaginative, I'll give you that.
Yeah, being the guy who comes in and is asked to handle the entire third time through the order in ballgames where you have a slim lead or are tied is exactly what Edwin Jackson's being used for.
I think it makes a ton of sense to take the guy who's projected by me to be awesome and use him only when the starter is struggling.
That role would actually be extremely useful and high leverage and more important than typecasting a dude as an 8th inning guy or closer only, but thanks for the input, Mike Matheny.
It's remarkable with all your deep knowledge and innovation that you're so ahead of the curve that no one else utilizes this role for their best relievers.
Yeah I'm definitely the first guy on this board, let alone the internet, to suggest that your best relievers be used wherever they're most needed rather than just penciled in for the 8th or 9th inning because tradition.
Hopefully someday all those idiots running major league franchises will start listening to you.
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Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 12:53:00 PM
The Artist Formerly Known As CJ Edwards just got promoted to AAA according to his agent's twitter so I'm guessing he might be on the fast track to a stint in the big league pen this season.
He's got a young Marmol-esque 13.7 K/9 at AA this year, but an older Marmol-esque 6.5 BB/9, although it seems like his control has improved as the season's gone on.
As much as I've been longing for him to shift back to the rotation, I'm finally coming around to him winning his 4 Cy Youngs as a closer.
He's been pretty lights out in Tennessee for the last few weeks.
He's been pitching lots of 2 inning stints. Maybe he can be the guy that comes in for Wada with 2 outs in the 5th and K's everyone for the next two innings.
I could see that short term, but long term he seems like an 8th or 9th inning guy.
Why?
'Cuz he throws real hard and Pen lacks any kind of imagination.
Because that's where all the best relievers are and he's going to be the best reliever, versus the Edwin Jackson role you've put him in.
But it's imaginative, I'll give you that.
Yeah, being the guy who comes in and is asked to handle the entire third time through the order in ballgames where you have a slim lead or are tied is exactly what Edwin Jackson's being used for.
I think it makes a ton of sense to take the guy who's projected by me to be awesome and use him only when the starter is struggling.
That role would actually be extremely useful and high leverage and more important than typecasting a dude as an 8th inning guy or closer only, but thanks for the input, Mike Matheny.
It's remarkable with all your deep knowledge and innovation that you're so ahead of the curve that no one else utilizes this role for their best relievers.
Yeah I'm definitely the first guy on this board, let alone the internet, to suggest that your best relievers be used wherever they're most needed rather than just penciled in for the 8th or 9th inning because tradition.
Hopefully someday all those idiots running major league franchises will start listening to you.
I repeat. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8211.msg287754#msg287754)
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Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 12:53:00 PM
The Artist Formerly Known As CJ Edwards just got promoted to AAA according to his agent's twitter so I'm guessing he might be on the fast track to a stint in the big league pen this season.
He's got a young Marmol-esque 13.7 K/9 at AA this year, but an older Marmol-esque 6.5 BB/9, although it seems like his control has improved as the season's gone on.
As much as I've been longing for him to shift back to the rotation, I'm finally coming around to him winning his 4 Cy Youngs as a closer.
He's been pretty lights out in Tennessee for the last few weeks.
He's been pitching lots of 2 inning stints. Maybe he can be the guy that comes in for Wada with 2 outs in the 5th and K's everyone for the next two innings.
I could see that short term, but long term he seems like an 8th or 9th inning guy.
Why?
'Cuz he throws real hard and Pen lacks any kind of imagination.
Because that's where all the best relievers are and he's going to be the best reliever, versus the Edwin Jackson role you've put him in.
But it's imaginative, I'll give you that.
Yeah, being the guy who comes in and is asked to handle the entire third time through the order in ballgames where you have a slim lead or are tied is exactly what Edwin Jackson's being used for.
I think it makes a ton of sense to take the guy who's projected by me to be awesome and use him only when the starter is struggling.
That role would actually be extremely useful and high leverage and more important than typecasting a dude as an 8th inning guy or closer only, but thanks for the input, Mike Matheny.
It's remarkable with all your deep knowledge and innovation that you're so ahead of the curve that no one else utilizes this role for their best relievers.
Yeah I'm definitely the first guy on this board, let alone the internet, to suggest that your best relievers be used wherever they're most needed rather than just penciled in for the 8th or 9th inning because tradition.
Hopefully someday all those idiots running major league franchises will start listening to you.
How many ballgames has this team already lost because Joe's options in the 5th and 6th were to let Hendricks or Wood or Wada get smacked around the third time through the order or bring in guys like Jason Motte or Brian Schlitter with guys on base? If Edwards comes in and tosses 2 scoreless frames in those spots a couple times a week there'd be a damn good argument for declaring him the best and most valuable reliever on the team by far.
And do you really want to use "conventional baseball wisdom" in your defense here? Teams once thought it wise to give highly valuable young pitchers to Dusty Baker. There are better ways out there. Sports evolve. Joe obviously already subscribes to this theory somewhat because he has a quicker hook than any manager I've ever seen for starters going through the third time in the order.
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The Artist Formerly Known As CJ Edwards just got promoted to AAA according to his agent's twitter so I'm guessing he might be on the fast track to a stint in the big league pen this season.
He's got a young Marmol-esque 13.7 K/9 at AA this year, but an older Marmol-esque 6.5 BB/9, although it seems like his control has improved as the season's gone on.
As much as I've been longing for him to shift back to the rotation, I'm finally coming around to him winning his 4 Cy Youngs as a closer.
He's been pretty lights out in Tennessee for the last few weeks.
He's been pitching lots of 2 inning stints. Maybe he can be the guy that comes in for Wada with 2 outs in the 5th and K's everyone for the next two innings.
I could see that short term, but long term he seems like an 8th or 9th inning guy.
Why?
'Cuz he throws real hard and Pen lacks any kind of imagination.
Because that's where all the best relievers are and he's going to be the best reliever, versus the Edwin Jackson role you've put him in.
But it's imaginative, I'll give you that.
Yeah, being the guy who comes in and is asked to handle the entire third time through the order in ballgames where you have a slim lead or are tied is exactly what Edwin Jackson's being used for.
I think it makes a ton of sense to take the guy who's projected by me to be awesome and use him only when the starter is struggling.
That role would actually be extremely useful and high leverage and more important than typecasting a dude as an 8th inning guy or closer only, but thanks for the input, Mike Matheny.
It's remarkable with all your deep knowledge and innovation that you're so ahead of the curve that no one else utilizes this role for their best relievers.
Yeah I'm definitely the first guy on this board, let alone the internet, to suggest that your best relievers be used wherever they're most needed rather than just penciled in for the 8th or 9th inning because tradition.
Hopefully someday all those idiots running major league franchises will start listening to you.
How many ballgames has this team already lost because Joe's options in the 5th and 6th were to let Hendricks or Wood or Wada get smacked around the third time through the order or bring in guys like Jason Motte or Brian Schlitter with guys on base? If Edwards comes in and tosses 2 scoreless frames in those spots a couple times a week there'd be a damn good argument for declaring him the best and most valuable reliever on the team by far.
And do you really want to use "conventional baseball wisdom" in your defense here? Teams once thought it wise to give highly valuable young pitchers to Dusty Baker. There are better ways out there. Sports evolve. Joe obviously already subscribes to this theory somewhat because he has a quicker hook than any manager I've ever seen for starters going through the third time in the order.
The more good relievers you have, the more good options you have for the dreaded 3rd Turn of Wada. It wouldn't have to be C.J., it could be Strop or Ramirez or Rondon - and no more Motte or Schlitter, ever again. Giving Edwards the Wada's Caddie label would be dumb as balls. I hope that in my TL;DR of your last couple posts, I skipped over a part where you agreed with me.
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Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 12:53:00 PM
The Artist Formerly Known As CJ Edwards just got promoted to AAA according to his agent's twitter so I'm guessing he might be on the fast track to a stint in the big league pen this season.
He's got a young Marmol-esque 13.7 K/9 at AA this year, but an older Marmol-esque 6.5 BB/9, although it seems like his control has improved as the season's gone on.
As much as I've been longing for him to shift back to the rotation, I'm finally coming around to him winning his 4 Cy Youngs as a closer.
He's been pretty lights out in Tennessee for the last few weeks.
He's been pitching lots of 2 inning stints. Maybe he can be the guy that comes in for Wada with 2 outs in the 5th and K's everyone for the next two innings.
I could see that short term, but long term he seems like an 8th or 9th inning guy.
Why?
'Cuz he throws real hard and Pen lacks any kind of imagination.
Because that's where all the best relievers are and he's going to be the best reliever, versus the Edwin Jackson role you've put him in.
But it's imaginative, I'll give you that.
Yeah, being the guy who comes in and is asked to handle the entire third time through the order in ballgames where you have a slim lead or are tied is exactly what Edwin Jackson's being used for.
I think it makes a ton of sense to take the guy who's projected by me to be awesome and use him only when the starter is struggling.
That role would actually be extremely useful and high leverage and more important than typecasting a dude as an 8th inning guy or closer only, but thanks for the input, Mike Matheny.
It's remarkable with all your deep knowledge and innovation that you're so ahead of the curve that no one else utilizes this role for their best relievers.
Yeah I'm definitely the first guy on this board, let alone the internet, to suggest that your best relievers be used wherever they're most needed rather than just penciled in for the 8th or 9th inning because tradition.
Hopefully someday all those idiots running major league franchises will start listening to you.
How many ballgames has this team already lost because Joe's options in the 5th and 6th were to let Hendricks or Wood or Wada get smacked around the third time through the order or bring in guys like Jason Motte or Brian Schlitter with guys on base? If Edwards comes in and tosses 2 scoreless frames in those spots a couple times a week there'd be a damn good argument for declaring him the best and most valuable reliever on the team by far.
And do you really want to use "conventional baseball wisdom" in your defense here? Teams once thought it wise to give highly valuable young pitchers to Dusty Baker. There are better ways out there. Sports evolve. Joe obviously already subscribes to this theory somewhat because he has a quicker hook than any manager I've ever seen for starters going through the third time in the order.
The more good relievers you have, the more good options you have for the dreaded 3rd Turn of Wada. It wouldn't have to be C.J., it could be Strop or Ramirez or Rondon - and no more Motte or Schlitter, ever again. Giving Edwards the Wada's Caddie label would be dumb as balls. I hope that in my TL;DR of your last couple posts, I skipped over a part where you agreed with me.
Yeah it wouldn't have to be Edwards doing that, Edwards would just be the most logical candidate because he's been making mostly multi-inning appearances and Strop/Motte/Rondon and especially Ramirez seem more like one-and-done guys. Edwards the young spry-just-converted-from-starter guy makes the most sense as the dude asked to carry you all the way from the 5th to the 7th.
Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 01:43:36 PM
Yeah it wouldn't have to be Edwards doing that, Edwards would just be the most logical candidate because he's been making mostly multi-inning appearances and Strop/Motte/Rondon and especially Ramirez seem more like one-and-done guys. Edwards the young spry-just-converted-from-starter guy makes the most sense as the dude asked to carry you all the way from the 5th to the 7th.
Why would he make more sense than Travis Wood?
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Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 01:43:36 PM
Yeah it wouldn't have to be Edwards doing that, Edwards would just be the most logical candidate because he's been making mostly multi-inning appearances and Strop/Motte/Rondon and especially Ramirez seem more like one-and-done guys. Edwards the young spry-just-converted-from-starter guy makes the most sense as the dude asked to carry you all the way from the 5th to the 7th.
Why would he make more sense than Travis Wood?
Because Travis Wood blows chunks?
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Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 01:43:36 PM
Yeah it wouldn't have to be Edwards doing that, Edwards would just be the most logical candidate because he's been making mostly multi-inning appearances and Strop/Motte/Rondon and especially Ramirez seem more like one-and-done guys. Edwards the young spry-just-converted-from-starter guy makes the most sense as the dude asked to carry you all the way from the 5th to the 7th.
Why would he make more sense than Travis Wood?
Because Travis Wood fucking sucks and CJ Edwards seems like a way better guy to ask to strike three guys in a row out after Wada/Hendricks have been pulled because they've started the third time through the order by putting a guy or two on base? Do you not get what "high leverage" means, and the kind of dudes you'd like pitching in said circumstances? Because "guy who strikes out 13 people per 9 innings" is better than "dude who gives up 50 homers every time he pitches".
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Yeah it wouldn't have to be Edwards doing that, Edwards would just be the most logical candidate because he's been making mostly multi-inning appearances and Strop/Motte/Rondon and especially Ramirez seem more like one-and-done guys. Edwards the young spry-just-converted-from-starter guy makes the most sense as the dude asked to carry you all the way from the 5th to the 7th.
Why would he make more sense than Travis Wood?
Because Travis Wood blows chunks?
Well, yeah - I get that part. He shouldn't have any role, nor should Jackson. But if we're talking about 2 inning bridge guy, that's pretty much what he's there for at this point. Or at least what you hope he's there for. You can't afford to have 2 guys in a solely mop-up role.
So in this scenario:
1-1 Tie, Cubs-Cardinals, Lance Lynn vs. Wada.
Wada puts the first two guys on in the top of the 5th, Matt Holliday comes up to bat.
In these types of scenarios Joe has pulled Wada/Hendricks all year long. I'm saying "let's put CJ Edwards in" and Pen's saying "let's try Travis Wood!" and somehow I'm the one insulting CJ Edwards.
Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 01:51:10 PM
So in this scenario:
1-1 Tie, Cubs-Cardinals, Lance Lynn vs. Wada.
Wada puts the first two guys on in the top of the 5th, Matt Holliday comes up to bat.
In these types of scenarios Joe has pulled Wada/Hendricks all year long. I'm saying "let's put CJ Edwards in" and Pen's saying "let's try Travis Wood!" and somehow I'm the one insulting CJ Edwards.
So what do you do with Edwards the other 80% of the games?
Hendricks has gone through the lineup 3 times each of his last 2 times out.
Why do you hate Kyle Hendricks like a common Eli?
Give me some innings/appearance comps for a 5th inning savior vs. an 8th/9th inning guy.
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Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 01:51:10 PM
So in this scenario:
1-1 Tie, Cubs-Cardinals, Lance Lynn vs. Wada.
Wada puts the first two guys on in the top of the 5th, Matt Holliday comes up to bat.
In these types of scenarios Joe has pulled Wada/Hendricks all year long. I'm saying "let's put CJ Edwards in" and Pen's saying "let's try Travis Wood!" and somehow I'm the one insulting CJ Edwards.
So what do you do with Edwards the other 80% of the games?
Hendricks has gone through the lineup 3 times each of his last 2 times out.
Why do you hate Kyle Hendricks like a common Eli?
Give me some innings/appearance comps for a 5th inning savior vs. an 8th/9th inning guy.
You would use him like a situational reliever, like everyone else? You seem to think this is the only role I will accept for him. YOU are the one trying to say he HAS to be something like a traditional set up guy. I'm saying use him where he's most needed and sometimes squeeze two innings out of him because he's been pitching 2 at a time in Tennessee. They don't really have anyone else that could give them six outs in a high leverage situation regularly and if you say Travis Wood again I'm going to just write you off as drunk.
Pen I can't tell if you're trolling here or if you're really having that hard of a time grasping what SKO is proposing.
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Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 01:51:10 PM
So in this scenario:
1-1 Tie, Cubs-Cardinals, Lance Lynn vs. Wada.
Wada puts the first two guys on in the top of the 5th, Matt Holliday comes up to bat.
In these types of scenarios Joe has pulled Wada/Hendricks all year long. I'm saying "let's put CJ Edwards in" and Pen's saying "let's try Travis Wood!" and somehow I'm the one insulting CJ Edwards.
So what do you do with Edwards the other 80% of the games?
Hendricks has gone through the lineup 3 times each of his last 2 times out.
Why do you hate Kyle Hendricks like a common Eli?
Give me some innings/appearance comps for a 5th inning savior vs. an 8th/9th inning guy.
You would use him like a situational reliever, like everyone else? You seem to think this is the only role I will accept for him. YOU are the one trying to say he HAS to be something like a traditional set up guy. I'm saying use him where he's most needed and sometimes squeeze two innings out of him because he's been pitching 2 at a time in Tennessee. They don't really have anyone else that could give them six outs in a high leverage situation regularly and if you say Travis Wood again I'm going to just write you off as drunk.
Maybe because it's the one you suggested and then spent 2 pages fighting for at the expense of other obvious high-leverage situations like the 8th or 9th inning?
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Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 01:51:10 PM
So in this scenario:
1-1 Tie, Cubs-Cardinals, Lance Lynn vs. Wada.
Wada puts the first two guys on in the top of the 5th, Matt Holliday comes up to bat.
In these types of scenarios Joe has pulled Wada/Hendricks all year long. I'm saying "let's put CJ Edwards in" and Pen's saying "let's try Travis Wood!" and somehow I'm the one insulting CJ Edwards.
So what do you do with Edwards the other 80% of the games?
Hendricks has gone through the lineup 3 times each of his last 2 times out.
Why do you hate Kyle Hendricks like a common Eli?
Give me some innings/appearance comps for a 5th inning savior vs. an 8th/9th inning guy.
You would use him like a situational reliever, like everyone else? You seem to think this is the only role I will accept for him. YOU are the one trying to say he HAS to be something like a traditional set up guy. I'm saying use him where he's most needed and sometimes squeeze two innings out of him because he's been pitching 2 at a time in Tennessee. They don't really have anyone else that could give them six outs in a high leverage situation regularly and if you say Travis Wood again I'm going to just write you off as drunk.
Maybe because it's the one you suggested and then spent 2 pages fighting for at the expense of other obvious high-leverage situations like the 8th or 9th inning?
OK so it's the latter.
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Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 01:51:10 PM
So in this scenario:
1-1 Tie, Cubs-Cardinals, Lance Lynn vs. Wada.
Wada puts the first two guys on in the top of the 5th, Matt Holliday comes up to bat.
In these types of scenarios Joe has pulled Wada/Hendricks all year long. I'm saying "let's put CJ Edwards in" and Pen's saying "let's try Travis Wood!" and somehow I'm the one insulting CJ Edwards.
So what do you do with Edwards the other 80% of the games?
Hendricks has gone through the lineup 3 times each of his last 2 times out.
Why do you hate Kyle Hendricks like a common Eli?
Give me some innings/appearance comps for a 5th inning savior vs. an 8th/9th inning guy.
Assuming Edwards is really good, you use him (or Rondon or Strop) as early as possible whenever you're in trouble, let the offense scores some runs, and then turn it over to Edwin Jackson/Travis Wood/Brian Schlitter for some three-run saves. Once Jackson/Wood/Schlitter have racked up said saves, trade them to some team that puts a premium on "established closers."
Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
Quote from: ChuckD on May 29, 2015, 02:00:51 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 01:54:07 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 01:51:10 PM
So in this scenario:
1-1 Tie, Cubs-Cardinals, Lance Lynn vs. Wada.
Wada puts the first two guys on in the top of the 5th, Matt Holliday comes up to bat.
In these types of scenarios Joe has pulled Wada/Hendricks all year long. I'm saying "let's put CJ Edwards in" and Pen's saying "let's try Travis Wood!" and somehow I'm the one insulting CJ Edwards.
So what do you do with Edwards the other 80% of the games?
Hendricks has gone through the lineup 3 times each of his last 2 times out.
Why do you hate Kyle Hendricks like a common Eli?
Give me some innings/appearance comps for a 5th inning savior vs. an 8th/9th inning guy.
Assuming Edwards is really good, you use him (or Rondon or Strop) as early as possible whenever you're in trouble, let the offense scores some runs, and then turn it over to Edwin Jackson/Travis Wood/Brian Schlitter for some three-run saves. Once Jackson/Wood/Schlitter have racked up said saves, trade them to some team that puts a premium on "established closers."
Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
Okay, so Joe's pretty innovative, right? At least in baseball terms.
Why do you think he doesn't deploy a method like this?
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 02:04:29 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 29, 2015, 02:00:51 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 01:54:07 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 01:51:10 PM
So in this scenario:
1-1 Tie, Cubs-Cardinals, Lance Lynn vs. Wada.
Wada puts the first two guys on in the top of the 5th, Matt Holliday comes up to bat.
In these types of scenarios Joe has pulled Wada/Hendricks all year long. I'm saying "let's put CJ Edwards in" and Pen's saying "let's try Travis Wood!" and somehow I'm the one insulting CJ Edwards.
So what do you do with Edwards the other 80% of the games?
Hendricks has gone through the lineup 3 times each of his last 2 times out.
Why do you hate Kyle Hendricks like a common Eli?
Give me some innings/appearance comps for a 5th inning savior vs. an 8th/9th inning guy.
Assuming Edwards is really good, you use him (or Rondon or Strop) as early as possible whenever you're in trouble, let the offense scores some runs, and then turn it over to Edwin Jackson/Travis Wood/Brian Schlitter for some three-run saves. Once Jackson/Wood/Schlitter have racked up said saves, trade them to some team that puts a premium on "established closers."
Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
Okay, so Joe's pretty innovative, right? At least in baseball terms.
Why do you think he doesn't deploy a method like this?
See the thing is, he kinda has, with Grimm in the role that I'm suggesting for Edwards. Go look at the box score for Wada's first start vs the Padres, man.
Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 02:05:12 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 02:04:29 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 29, 2015, 02:00:51 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 01:54:07 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 01:51:10 PM
So in this scenario:
1-1 Tie, Cubs-Cardinals, Lance Lynn vs. Wada.
Wada puts the first two guys on in the top of the 5th, Matt Holliday comes up to bat.
In these types of scenarios Joe has pulled Wada/Hendricks all year long. I'm saying "let's put CJ Edwards in" and Pen's saying "let's try Travis Wood!" and somehow I'm the one insulting CJ Edwards.
So what do you do with Edwards the other 80% of the games?
Hendricks has gone through the lineup 3 times each of his last 2 times out.
Why do you hate Kyle Hendricks like a common Eli?
Give me some innings/appearance comps for a 5th inning savior vs. an 8th/9th inning guy.
Assuming Edwards is really good, you use him (or Rondon or Strop) as early as possible whenever you're in trouble, let the offense scores some runs, and then turn it over to Edwin Jackson/Travis Wood/Brian Schlitter for some three-run saves. Once Jackson/Wood/Schlitter have racked up said saves, trade them to some team that puts a premium on "established closers."
Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
Okay, so Joe's pretty innovative, right? At least in baseball terms.
Why do you think he doesn't deploy a method like this?
See the thing is, he kinda has, with Grimm in the role that I'm suggesting for Edwards. Go look at the box score for Wada's first start vs the Padres, man.
Grimm has actually done it both times for Wada.
Why are you trying to steal Grimm's role and give it CJ Edwards?
Why do you hate Justin Grimm?
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 02:09:21 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 02:05:12 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 02:04:29 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 29, 2015, 02:00:51 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 01:54:07 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 01:51:10 PM
So in this scenario:
1-1 Tie, Cubs-Cardinals, Lance Lynn vs. Wada.
Wada puts the first two guys on in the top of the 5th, Matt Holliday comes up to bat.
In these types of scenarios Joe has pulled Wada/Hendricks all year long. I'm saying "let's put CJ Edwards in" and Pen's saying "let's try Travis Wood!" and somehow I'm the one insulting CJ Edwards.
So what do you do with Edwards the other 80% of the games?
Hendricks has gone through the lineup 3 times each of his last 2 times out.
Why do you hate Kyle Hendricks like a common Eli?
Give me some innings/appearance comps for a 5th inning savior vs. an 8th/9th inning guy.
Assuming Edwards is really good, you use him (or Rondon or Strop) as early as possible whenever you're in trouble, let the offense scores some runs, and then turn it over to Edwin Jackson/Travis Wood/Brian Schlitter for some three-run saves. Once Jackson/Wood/Schlitter have racked up said saves, trade them to some team that puts a premium on "established closers."
Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
Okay, so Joe's pretty innovative, right? At least in baseball terms.
Why do you think he doesn't deploy a method like this?
See the thing is, he kinda has, with Grimm in the role that I'm suggesting for Edwards. Go look at the box score for Wada's first start vs the Padres, man.
Grimm has actually done it both times for Wada.
Why are you trying to steal Grimm's role and give it CJ Edwards?
Why do you hate Justin Grimm?
Becuase if you have Edwards to fill that role and get you to the 7th, you can hand the ball in the 7th to Grimm/Strop/Rondon from the 7th-9th. Jason Motte in this case becomes solely a mop up guy or a guy to eat innings when you're up by 3+ runs, Travis Wood is murdered in his sleep, and Edwin Jackson is your typical long relief/we're not winning this one guy.
The argument for Edwards being the guy you bring in first over Grimm is that this guy is almost always coming in with someone on base, becuase Joe at least tries to let the starter get through the third time in the order. Edwards, with his absurd K rates, would be the best guy to strand runners with.
If Wada's in a close game and about to face a righty in his third turn and he looks like he usually does, you look down at your list of relievers and you pick the best one for the situation you've got. That might be C.J. Fucking Edwards. Or maybe C.J threw two innings the day before and one inning the day before that and he's in tennis shoes today. You're gonna pick another guy who isn't Brian Schlitter. Let's call him Neil Ramirez. Or let's call him Travis Wood.
What you don't want to do is save Edwards for the Wada start if you need him the two days prior. I think we all agree that we want the best pitcher available in a high leverage situation. Calling a guy and 8th or 9th inning guy is antiquated. Calling a guy Wada's Caddie is dumber than a Phil Rogers, Al Yellon, Gordo think tank.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 29, 2015, 02:13:17 PM
If Wada's in a close game and about to face a righty in his third turn and he looks like he usually does, you look down at your list of relievers and you pick the best one for the situation you've got. That might be C.J. Fucking Edwards. Or maybe C.J threw two innings the day before and one inning the day before that and he's in tennis shoes today. You're gonna pick another guy who isn't Brian Schlitter. Let's call him Neil Ramirez. Or let's call him Travis Wood.
What you don't want to do is save Edwards for the Wada start if you need him the two days prior. I think we all agree that we want the best pitcher available in a high leverage situation. Calling a guy and 8th or 9th inning guy is antiquated. Calling a guy Wada's Caddie is dumber than a Phil Rogers, Al Yellon, Gordo think tank.
No argument here.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 02:04:29 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 29, 2015, 02:00:51 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 01:54:07 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 01:51:10 PM
So in this scenario:
1-1 Tie, Cubs-Cardinals, Lance Lynn vs. Wada.
Wada puts the first two guys on in the top of the 5th, Matt Holliday comes up to bat.
In these types of scenarios Joe has pulled Wada/Hendricks all year long. I'm saying "let's put CJ Edwards in" and Pen's saying "let's try Travis Wood!" and somehow I'm the one insulting CJ Edwards.
So what do you do with Edwards the other 80% of the games?
Hendricks has gone through the lineup 3 times each of his last 2 times out.
Why do you hate Kyle Hendricks like a common Eli?
Give me some innings/appearance comps for a 5th inning savior vs. an 8th/9th inning guy.
Assuming Edwards is really good, you use him (or Rondon or Strop) as early as possible whenever you're in trouble, let the offense scores some runs, and then turn it over to Edwin Jackson/Travis Wood/Brian Schlitter for some three-run saves. Once Jackson/Wood/Schlitter have racked up said saves, trade them to some team that puts a premium on "established closers."
Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
Okay, so Joe's pretty innovative, right? At least in baseball terms.
Why do you think he doesn't deploy a method like this?
Why are you deploying this as your argument?
Quote from: InternetApex on May 29, 2015, 02:13:17 PM
If Wada's in a close game and about to face a righty in his third turn and he looks like he usually does, you look down at your list of relievers and you pick the best one for the situation you've got. That might be C.J. Fucking Edwards. Or maybe C.J threw two innings the day before and one inning the day before that and he's in tennis shoes today. You're gonna pick another guy who isn't Brian Schlitter. Let's call him Neil Ramirez. Or let's call him Travis Wood.
What you don't want to do is save Edwards for the Wada start if you need him the two days prior. I think we all agree that we want the best pitcher available in a high leverage situation. Calling a guy and 8th or 9th inning guy is antiquated. Calling a guy Wada's Caddie is dumber than a Phil Rogers, Al Yellon, Gordo think tank.
Truth. I guess the most general way to say it is that Edwards seems like the best candidate to both strand inherited runners AND pitch multiple innings, and that's a nice thing to have, regardless of which innings you're asking him to pitch and who started that day.
Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 02:15:59 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 29, 2015, 02:13:17 PM
If Wada's in a close game and about to face a righty in his third turn and he looks like he usually does, you look down at your list of relievers and you pick the best one for the situation you've got. That might be C.J. Fucking Edwards. Or maybe C.J threw two innings the day before and one inning the day before that and he's in tennis shoes today. You're gonna pick another guy who isn't Brian Schlitter. Let's call him Neil Ramirez. Or let's call him Travis Wood.
What you don't want to do is save Edwards for the Wada start if you need him the two days prior. I think we all agree that we want the best pitcher available in a high leverage situation. Calling a guy and 8th or 9th inning guy is antiquated. Calling a guy Wada's Caddie is dumber than a Phil Rogers, Al Yellon, Gordo think tank.
Truth. I guess the most general way to say it is that Edwards seems like the best candidate to both strand inherited runners AND pitch multiple innings, and that's a nice thing to have, regardless of which innings you're asking him to pitch and who started that day.
Considering this guy has never faced a batter in a big league game, I'm going to deploy the "Slow down, Cowboy" argument, and see how this all plays out.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 29, 2015, 02:20:12 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 02:15:59 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 29, 2015, 02:13:17 PM
If Wada's in a close game and about to face a righty in his third turn and he looks like he usually does, you look down at your list of relievers and you pick the best one for the situation you've got. That might be C.J. Fucking Edwards. Or maybe C.J threw two innings the day before and one inning the day before that and he's in tennis shoes today. You're gonna pick another guy who isn't Brian Schlitter. Let's call him Neil Ramirez. Or let's call him Travis Wood.
What you don't want to do is save Edwards for the Wada start if you need him the two days prior. I think we all agree that we want the best pitcher available in a high leverage situation. Calling a guy and 8th or 9th inning guy is antiquated. Calling a guy Wada's Caddie is dumber than a Phil Rogers, Al Yellon, Gordo think tank.
Truth. I guess the most general way to say it is that Edwards seems like the best candidate to both strand inherited runners AND pitch multiple innings, and that's a nice thing to have, regardless of which innings you're asking him to pitch and who started that day.
Considering this guy has never faced a batter in a big league game, I'm going to deploy the "Slow down, Cowboy" argument, and see how this all plays out.
Well the natural caveat is that he has to actually prove it. But if those minor league K numbers translate and he's 2007 Carlos Marmol you can bet your ass I want him in the highest of the high leverage situations.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 29, 2015, 02:20:12 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 02:15:59 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 29, 2015, 02:13:17 PM
If Wada's in a close game and about to face a righty in his third turn and he looks like he usually does, you look down at your list of relievers and you pick the best one for the situation you've got. That might be C.J. Fucking Edwards. Or maybe C.J threw two innings the day before and one inning the day before that and he's in tennis shoes today. You're gonna pick another guy who isn't Brian Schlitter. Let's call him Neil Ramirez. Or let's call him Travis Wood.
What you don't want to do is save Edwards for the Wada start if you need him the two days prior. I think we all agree that we want the best pitcher available in a high leverage situation. Calling a guy and 8th or 9th inning guy is antiquated. Calling a guy Wada's Caddie is dumber than a Phil Rogers, Al Yellon, Gordo think tank.
Truth. I guess the most general way to say it is that Edwards seems like the best candidate to both strand inherited runners AND pitch multiple innings, and that's a nice thing to have, regardless of which innings you're asking him to pitch and who started that day.
Considering this guy has never faced a batter in a big league game, I'm going to deploy the "Slow down, Cowboy" argument, and see how this all plays out.
*Adds Apex to list with Eli and SKO of "Guys that Hate CJ Edwards*
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 02:22:02 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 29, 2015, 02:20:12 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 02:15:59 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 29, 2015, 02:13:17 PM
If Wada's in a close game and about to face a righty in his third turn and he looks like he usually does, you look down at your list of relievers and you pick the best one for the situation you've got. That might be C.J. Fucking Edwards. Or maybe C.J threw two innings the day before and one inning the day before that and he's in tennis shoes today. You're gonna pick another guy who isn't Brian Schlitter. Let's call him Neil Ramirez. Or let's call him Travis Wood.
What you don't want to do is save Edwards for the Wada start if you need him the two days prior. I think we all agree that we want the best pitcher available in a high leverage situation. Calling a guy and 8th or 9th inning guy is antiquated. Calling a guy Wada's Caddie is dumber than a Phil Rogers, Al Yellon, Gordo think tank.
Truth. I guess the most general way to say it is that Edwards seems like the best candidate to both strand inherited runners AND pitch multiple innings, and that's a nice thing to have, regardless of which innings you're asking him to pitch and who started that day.
Considering this guy has never faced a batter in a big league game, I'm going to deploy the "Slow down, Cowboy" argument, and see how this all plays out.
*Adds Apex to list with Eli and SKO of "Guys that Hate CJ Edwards* Carl Edwards Jr.
*adds Pen*
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 29, 2015, 02:23:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 02:22:02 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 29, 2015, 02:20:12 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 02:15:59 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 29, 2015, 02:13:17 PM
If Wada's in a close game and about to face a righty in his third turn and he looks like he usually does, you look down at your list of relievers and you pick the best one for the situation you've got. That might be C.J. Fucking Edwards. Or maybe C.J threw two innings the day before and one inning the day before that and he's in tennis shoes today. You're gonna pick another guy who isn't Brian Schlitter. Let's call him Neil Ramirez. Or let's call him Travis Wood.
What you don't want to do is save Edwards for the Wada start if you need him the two days prior. I think we all agree that we want the best pitcher available in a high leverage situation. Calling a guy and 8th or 9th inning guy is antiquated. Calling a guy Wada's Caddie is dumber than a Phil Rogers, Al Yellon, Gordo think tank.
Truth. I guess the most general way to say it is that Edwards seems like the best candidate to both strand inherited runners AND pitch multiple innings, and that's a nice thing to have, regardless of which innings you're asking him to pitch and who started that day.
Considering this guy has never faced a batter in a big league game, I'm going to deploy the "Slow down, Cowboy" argument, and see how this all plays out.
*Adds Apex to list with Eli and SKO of "Guys that Hate CJ Edwards* Carl Edwards Jr.
*adds Pen*
His Momma call him CJ, I'm gonna call him CJ.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 02:25:52 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 29, 2015, 02:23:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 02:22:02 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 29, 2015, 02:20:12 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 02:15:59 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 29, 2015, 02:13:17 PM
If Wada's in a close game and about to face a righty in his third turn and he looks like he usually does, you look down at your list of relievers and you pick the best one for the situation you've got. That might be C.J. Fucking Edwards. Or maybe C.J threw two innings the day before and one inning the day before that and he's in tennis shoes today. You're gonna pick another guy who isn't Brian Schlitter. Let's call him Neil Ramirez. Or let's call him Travis Wood.
What you don't want to do is save Edwards for the Wada start if you need him the two days prior. I think we all agree that we want the best pitcher available in a high leverage situation. Calling a guy and 8th or 9th inning guy is antiquated. Calling a guy Wada's Caddie is dumber than a Phil Rogers, Al Yellon, Gordo think tank.
Truth. I guess the most general way to say it is that Edwards seems like the best candidate to both strand inherited runners AND pitch multiple innings, and that's a nice thing to have, regardless of which innings you're asking him to pitch and who started that day.
Considering this guy has never faced a batter in a big league game, I'm going to deploy the "Slow down, Cowboy" argument, and see how this all plays out.
*Adds Apex to list with Eli and SKO of "Guys that Hate CJ Edwards* Carl Edwards Jr.
*adds Pen*
His Momma call him CJ, I'm gonna call him CJ.
Oh, I get it. You're doing a black character.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 29, 2015, 02:27:27 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 02:25:52 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 29, 2015, 02:23:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 02:22:02 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 29, 2015, 02:20:12 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 02:15:59 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 29, 2015, 02:13:17 PM
If Wada's in a close game and about to face a righty in his third turn and he looks like he usually does, you look down at your list of relievers and you pick the best one for the situation you've got. That might be C.J. Fucking Edwards. Or maybe C.J threw two innings the day before and one inning the day before that and he's in tennis shoes today. You're gonna pick another guy who isn't Brian Schlitter. Let's call him Neil Ramirez. Or let's call him Travis Wood.
What you don't want to do is save Edwards for the Wada start if you need him the two days prior. I think we all agree that we want the best pitcher available in a high leverage situation. Calling a guy and 8th or 9th inning guy is antiquated. Calling a guy Wada's Caddie is dumber than a Phil Rogers, Al Yellon, Gordo think tank.
Truth. I guess the most general way to say it is that Edwards seems like the best candidate to both strand inherited runners AND pitch multiple innings, and that's a nice thing to have, regardless of which innings you're asking him to pitch and who started that day.
Considering this guy has never faced a batter in a big league game, I'm going to deploy the "Slow down, Cowboy" argument, and see how this all plays out.
*Adds Apex to list with Eli and SKO of "Guys that Hate CJ Edwards* Carl Edwards Jr.
*adds Pen*
His Momma call him CJ, I'm gonna call him CJ.
Oh, I get it. You're doing a black character.
*add Pen to the list of Guys Who Are Racist Against Carl Edwards Jr*
Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 02:28:59 PM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 29, 2015, 02:23:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 02:22:02 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 29, 2015, 02:20:12 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 02:15:59 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 29, 2015, 02:13:17 PM
If Wada's in a close game and about to face a righty in his third turn and he looks like he usually does, you look down at your list of relievers and you pick the best one for the situation you've got. That might be C.J. Fucking Edwards. Or maybe C.J threw two innings the day before and one inning the day before that and he's in tennis shoes today. You're gonna pick another guy who isn't Brian Schlitter. Let's call him Neil Ramirez. Or let's call him Travis Wood.
What you don't want to do is save Edwards for the Wada start if you need him the two days prior. I think we all agree that we want the best pitcher available in a high leverage situation. Calling a guy and 8th or 9th inning guy is antiquated. Calling a guy Wada's Caddie is dumber than a Phil Rogers, Al Yellon, Gordo think tank.
Truth. I guess the most general way to say it is that Edwards seems like the best candidate to both strand inherited runners AND pitch multiple innings, and that's a nice thing to have, regardless of which innings you're asking him to pitch and who started that day.
Considering this guy has never faced a batter in a big league game, I'm going to deploy the "Slow down, Cowboy" argument, and see how this all plays out.
*Adds Apex to list with Eli and SKO of "Guys that Hate CJ Edwards* Carl Edwards Jr.
*adds Pen*
His Momma call him CJ, I'm gonna call him CJ.
Oh, I get it. You're doing a black character.
*add Pen to the list of Guys Who Are Racist Against Carl Edwards Jr*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFcG2N3O_Wk
Quote from: InternetApex on May 29, 2015, 02:27:27 PM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 29, 2015, 02:23:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 02:22:02 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 29, 2015, 02:20:12 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 02:15:59 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 29, 2015, 02:13:17 PM
If Wada's in a close game and about to face a righty in his third turn and he looks like he usually does, you look down at your list of relievers and you pick the best one for the situation you've got. That might be C.J. Fucking Edwards. Or maybe C.J threw two innings the day before and one inning the day before that and he's in tennis shoes today. You're gonna pick another guy who isn't Brian Schlitter. Let's call him Neil Ramirez. Or let's call him Travis Wood.
What you don't want to do is save Edwards for the Wada start if you need him the two days prior. I think we all agree that we want the best pitcher available in a high leverage situation. Calling a guy and 8th or 9th inning guy is antiquated. Calling a guy Wada's Caddie is dumber than a Phil Rogers, Al Yellon, Gordo think tank.
Truth. I guess the most general way to say it is that Edwards seems like the best candidate to both strand inherited runners AND pitch multiple innings, and that's a nice thing to have, regardless of which innings you're asking him to pitch and who started that day.
Considering this guy has never faced a batter in a big league game, I'm going to deploy the "Slow down, Cowboy" argument, and see how this all plays out.
*Adds Apex to list with Eli and SKO of "Guys that Hate CJ Edwards* Carl Edwards Jr.
*adds Pen*
His Momma call him CJ, I'm gonna call him CJ.
Oh, I get it. You're doing a black character.
Well, it's better than the time you thought I was doing SKO when I was doing Three Dog Night.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 02:30:59 PM
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Quote from: InternetApex on May 29, 2015, 02:13:17 PM
If Wada's in a close game and about to face a righty in his third turn and he looks like he usually does, you look down at your list of relievers and you pick the best one for the situation you've got. That might be C.J. Fucking Edwards. Or maybe C.J threw two innings the day before and one inning the day before that and he's in tennis shoes today. You're gonna pick another guy who isn't Brian Schlitter. Let's call him Neil Ramirez. Or let's call him Travis Wood.
What you don't want to do is save Edwards for the Wada start if you need him the two days prior. I think we all agree that we want the best pitcher available in a high leverage situation. Calling a guy and 8th or 9th inning guy is antiquated. Calling a guy Wada's Caddie is dumber than a Phil Rogers, Al Yellon, Gordo think tank.
Truth. I guess the most general way to say it is that Edwards seems like the best candidate to both strand inherited runners AND pitch multiple innings, and that's a nice thing to have, regardless of which innings you're asking him to pitch and who started that day.
Considering this guy has never faced a batter in a big league game, I'm going to deploy the "Slow down, Cowboy" argument, and see how this all plays out.
*Adds Apex to list with Eli and SKO of "Guys that Hate CJ Edwards* Carl Edwards Jr.
*adds Pen*
His Momma call him CJ, I'm gonna call him CJ.
Oh, I get it. You're doing a black character.
Well, it's better than the time you thought I was doing SKO when I was doing Three Dog Night.
Is it?
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Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 02:15:59 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 29, 2015, 02:13:17 PM
If Wada's in a close game and about to face a righty in his third turn and he looks like he usually does, you look down at your list of relievers and you pick the best one for the situation you've got. That might be C.J. Fucking Edwards. Or maybe C.J threw two innings the day before and one inning the day before that and he's in tennis shoes today. You're gonna pick another guy who isn't Brian Schlitter. Let's call him Neil Ramirez. Or let's call him Travis Wood.
What you don't want to do is save Edwards for the Wada start if you need him the two days prior. I think we all agree that we want the best pitcher available in a high leverage situation. Calling a guy and 8th or 9th inning guy is antiquated. Calling a guy Wada's Caddie is dumber than a Phil Rogers, Al Yellon, Gordo think tank.
Truth. I guess the most general way to say it is that Edwards seems like the best candidate to both strand inherited runners AND pitch multiple innings, and that's a nice thing to have, regardless of which innings you're asking him to pitch and who started that day.
Considering this guy has never faced a batter in a big league game, I'm going to deploy the "Slow down, Cowboy" argument, and see how this all plays out.
*Adds Apex to list with Eli and SKO of "Guys that Hate CJ Edwards* Carl Edwards Jr.
*adds Pen*
His Momma call him CJ, I'm gonna call him CJ.
Oh, I get it. You're doing a black character.
Well, it's better than the time you thought I was doing SKO when I was doing Three Dog Night.
Is it?
Yes, that was offensive.
Did KurtEvans get into Pen's account somehow?
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 02:32:00 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 29, 2015, 02:31:23 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 02:30:59 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 29, 2015, 02:27:27 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 02:25:52 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 29, 2015, 02:23:47 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 02:22:02 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 29, 2015, 02:20:12 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 02:15:59 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 29, 2015, 02:13:17 PM
If Wada's in a close game and about to face a righty in his third turn and he looks like he usually does, you look down at your list of relievers and you pick the best one for the situation you've got. That might be C.J. Fucking Edwards. Or maybe C.J threw two innings the day before and one inning the day before that and he's in tennis shoes today. You're gonna pick another guy who isn't Brian Schlitter. Let's call him Neil Ramirez. Or let's call him Travis Wood.
What you don't want to do is save Edwards for the Wada start if you need him the two days prior. I think we all agree that we want the best pitcher available in a high leverage situation. Calling a guy and 8th or 9th inning guy is antiquated. Calling a guy Wada's Caddie is dumber than a Phil Rogers, Al Yellon, Gordo think tank.
Truth. I guess the most general way to say it is that Edwards seems like the best candidate to both strand inherited runners AND pitch multiple innings, and that's a nice thing to have, regardless of which innings you're asking him to pitch and who started that day.
Considering this guy has never faced a batter in a big league game, I'm going to deploy the "Slow down, Cowboy" argument, and see how this all plays out.
*Adds Apex to list with Eli and SKO of "Guys that Hate CJ Edwards* Carl Edwards Jr.
*adds Pen*
His Momma call him CJ, I'm gonna call him CJ.
Oh, I get it. You're doing a black character.
Well, it's better than the time you thought I was doing SKO when I was doing Three Dog Night.
Is it?
Yes, that was offensive.
*Adds Pen to the list of people who think racism isn't as bad as Three Dog Night*
This is the best PenisWrong we've had in a long time. I've thoroughly enjoyed today. Good work, everybody.
Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 02:35:33 PM
This is the best PenisWrong we've had in a long time. I've thoroughly enjoyed today. Good work, everybody.
Still not wrong.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 02:40:50 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 02:35:33 PM
This is the best PenisWrong we've had in a long time. I've thoroughly enjoyed today. Good work, everybody.
Still not wrong.
I just caught up on this thread, and oh yes you are.
Slow Friday at work, huh?
This guy (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=657123#/career/R/pitching/2015/ALL), Ryan Williams, has moved from A- (SB) to AA and is pitching for Tennessee today.
Quote from: Yeti on June 03, 2015, 10:34:22 AM
This guy (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=657123#/career/R/pitching/2015/ALL), Ryan Williams, has moved from A- (SB) to AA and is pitching for Tennessee today.
That two level jump is something.
I figured he would at least get a few starts in Myrtle Beach, even being an advanced college arm.
Boners.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 03, 2015, 10:42:57 AM
Quote from: Yeti on June 03, 2015, 10:34:22 AM
This guy (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=657123#/career/R/pitching/2015/ALL), Ryan Williams, has moved from A- (SB) to AA and is pitching for Tennessee today.
That two level jump is something.
I figured he would at least get a few starts in Myrtle Beach, even being an advanced college arm.
Boners.
5 hits and a walk in the 2nd inning led to 3 runs, but he got out of a bases loaded 1-out jam without allowing any more runs, so that's a positive.
44 pitches through 2, but 32 of them for strikes.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 03, 2015, 10:53:03 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 03, 2015, 10:42:57 AM
Quote from: Yeti on June 03, 2015, 10:34:22 AM
This guy (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=657123#/career/R/pitching/2015/ALL), Ryan Williams, has moved from A- (SB) to AA and is pitching for Tennessee today.
That two level jump is something.
I figured he would at least get a few starts in Myrtle Beach, even being an advanced college arm.
Boners.
5 hits and a walk in the 2nd inning led to 3 runs, but he got out of a bases loaded 1-out jam without allowing any more runs, so that's a positive.
44 pitches through 2, but 32 of them for strikes.
Ended up pretty decent. Just that one shaky inning.
5.1 IP, 6 H, 3 ER, 1 BB, 4 K.
Considering not only the 2-level jump but that he was a reliever all through college and has only been starting for a handful of months, this is promising.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 03, 2015, 12:24:07 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 03, 2015, 10:53:03 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 03, 2015, 10:42:57 AM
Quote from: Yeti on June 03, 2015, 10:34:22 AM
This guy (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=657123#/career/R/pitching/2015/ALL), Ryan Williams, has moved from A- (SB) to AA and is pitching for Tennessee today.
That two level jump is something.
I figured he would at least get a few starts in Myrtle Beach, even being an advanced college arm.
Boners.
5 hits and a walk in the 2nd inning led to 3 runs, but he got out of a bases loaded 1-out jam without allowing any more runs, so that's a positive.
44 pitches through 2, but 32 of them for strikes.
Ended up pretty decent. Just that one shaky inning.
5.1 IP, 6 H, 3 ER, 1 BB, 4 K.
Considering not only the 2-level jump but that he was a reliever all through college and has only been starting for a handful of months, this is promising.
Sure. Whatever. He's a guy.
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2015, 12:26:13 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 03, 2015, 12:24:07 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 03, 2015, 10:53:03 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 03, 2015, 10:42:57 AM
Quote from: Yeti on June 03, 2015, 10:34:22 AM
This guy (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=657123#/career/R/pitching/2015/ALL), Ryan Williams, has moved from A- (SB) to AA and is pitching for Tennessee today.
That two level jump is something.
I figured he would at least get a few starts in Myrtle Beach, even being an advanced college arm.
Boners.
5 hits and a walk in the 2nd inning led to 3 runs, but he got out of a bases loaded 1-out jam without allowing any more runs, so that's a positive.
44 pitches through 2, but 32 of them for strikes.
Ended up pretty decent. Just that one shaky inning.
5.1 IP, 6 H, 3 ER, 1 BB, 4 K.
Considering not only the 2-level jump but that he was a reliever all through college and has only been starting for a handful of months, this is promising.
Sure. Whatever. He's a guy.
All that money we spent on the regression therapy was completely wasted.
Quote from: SKO on June 03, 2015, 12:46:27 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2015, 12:26:13 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 03, 2015, 12:24:07 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 03, 2015, 10:53:03 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 03, 2015, 10:42:57 AM
Quote from: Yeti on June 03, 2015, 10:34:22 AM
This guy (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=657123#/career/R/pitching/2015/ALL), Ryan Williams, has moved from A- (SB) to AA and is pitching for Tennessee today.
That two level jump is something.
I figured he would at least get a few starts in Myrtle Beach, even being an advanced college arm.
Boners.
5 hits and a walk in the 2nd inning led to 3 runs, but he got out of a bases loaded 1-out jam without allowing any more runs, so that's a positive.
44 pitches through 2, but 32 of them for strikes.
Ended up pretty decent. Just that one shaky inning.
5.1 IP, 6 H, 3 ER, 1 BB, 4 K.
Considering not only the 2-level jump but that he was a reliever all through college and has only been starting for a handful of months, this is promising.
Sure. Whatever. He's a guy.
All that money we spent on the regression therapy was completely wasted.
The Miserable Internet Life of Eli continues unabated.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 03, 2015, 12:52:06 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 03, 2015, 12:46:27 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2015, 12:26:13 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 03, 2015, 12:24:07 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 03, 2015, 10:53:03 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 03, 2015, 10:42:57 AM
Quote from: Yeti on June 03, 2015, 10:34:22 AM
This guy (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=657123#/career/R/pitching/2015/ALL), Ryan Williams, has moved from A- (SB) to AA and is pitching for Tennessee today.
That two level jump is something.
I figured he would at least get a few starts in Myrtle Beach, even being an advanced college arm.
Boners.
5 hits and a walk in the 2nd inning led to 3 runs, but he got out of a bases loaded 1-out jam without allowing any more runs, so that's a positive.
44 pitches through 2, but 32 of them for strikes.
Ended up pretty decent. Just that one shaky inning.
5.1 IP, 6 H, 3 ER, 1 BB, 4 K.
Considering not only the 2-level jump but that he was a reliever all through college and has only been starting for a handful of months, this is promising.
Sure. Whatever. He's a guy.
All that money we spent on the regression therapy was completely wasted.
The Miserable Internet Life of Eli continues unabated.
But seriously he was a college senior with average stuff who didn't walk many 18 year olds. Pump the brakes.
Quote from: SKO on June 03, 2015, 12:53:39 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 03, 2015, 12:52:06 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 03, 2015, 12:46:27 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 03, 2015, 12:26:13 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 03, 2015, 12:24:07 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 03, 2015, 10:53:03 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 03, 2015, 10:42:57 AM
Quote from: Yeti on June 03, 2015, 10:34:22 AM
This guy (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=657123#/career/R/pitching/2015/ALL), Ryan Williams, has moved from A- (SB) to AA and is pitching for Tennessee today.
That two level jump is something.
I figured he would at least get a few starts in Myrtle Beach, even being an advanced college arm.
Boners.
5 hits and a walk in the 2nd inning led to 3 runs, but he got out of a bases loaded 1-out jam without allowing any more runs, so that's a positive.
44 pitches through 2, but 32 of them for strikes.
Ended up pretty decent. Just that one shaky inning.
5.1 IP, 6 H, 3 ER, 1 BB, 4 K.
Considering not only the 2-level jump but that he was a reliever all through college and has only been starting for a handful of months, this is promising.
Sure. Whatever. He's a guy.
All that money we spent on the regression therapy was completely wasted.
The Miserable Internet Life of Eli continues unabated.
But seriously he was a college senior with average stuff who didn't walk many 18 year olds. Pump the brakes.
He's gonna be so awesome.
Corey Black is already great in the Carl Edwards Jr role in Tennessee also.
2 IP, 0 H, 0 BB, 3 Ks today, pitching the 7th and 8th.
Feels like Christian Villanueva should be mentioned here. Given the reputation he has defensively at 3B I'd bet he'll be part of one of the packages they trade away this year.
Quote from: SKO on June 05, 2015, 10:54:05 AM
Feels like Christian Villanueva should be mentioned here. Given the reputation he has defensively at 3B I'd bet he'll be part of one of the packages they trade away this year.
Except he's made 15 errors at 3B already this year and they already moved him to 1B.
I don't disagree that he'll be part of a package trade, but I don't think he has any future with the Cubs.
Nice to see him hitting well again.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2015, 12:33:40 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 05, 2015, 10:54:05 AM
Feels like Christian Villanueva should be mentioned here. Given the reputation he has defensively at 3B I'd bet he'll be part of one of the packages they trade away this year.
Except he's made 15 errors at 3B already this year and they already moved him to 1B.
I don't disagree that he'll be part of a package trade, but I don't think he has any future with the Cubs.
Nice to see him hitting well again.
So they can trade Rizzo to make room for him before they trade him to make room for Schwarber, right?
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2015, 12:33:40 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 05, 2015, 10:54:05 AM
Feels like Christian Villanueva should be mentioned here. Given the reputation he has defensively at 3B I'd bet he'll be part of one of the packages they trade away this year.
Except he's made 15 errors at 3B already this year and they already moved him to 1B.
I don't disagree that he'll be part of a package trade, but I don't think he has any future with the Cubs.
Nice to see him hitting well again.
They moved him to 1B because Javy is getting some time at 3B. It's not a permanent move. But hey thanks for informing me that a guy I specifically mentioned solely in the context of being a trade chip doesn't have a future with the Cubs. This is why you're THE prospect guy, pal.
Quote from: SKO on June 05, 2015, 02:37:05 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2015, 12:33:40 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 05, 2015, 10:54:05 AM
Feels like Christian Villanueva should be mentioned here. Given the reputation he has defensively at 3B I'd bet he'll be part of one of the packages they trade away this year.
Except he's made 15 errors at 3B already this year and they already moved him to 1B.
I don't disagree that he'll be part of a package trade, but I don't think he has any future with the Cubs.
Nice to see him hitting well again.
They moved him to 1B because Javy is getting some time at 3B. It's not a permanent move. But hey thanks for informing me that a guy I specifically mentioned solely in the context of being a trade chip doesn't have a future with the Cubs. This is why you're THE prospect guy, pal.
DPD, errors are also a terrible stat for measuring how good a guy is defensively. I don't know what his zone rating or whatever is but his range factor per game in the minors at 3B is better than 5 time Gold Glove winner Adrian Beltre's. He's made 2 starts at 1B this year, and they're the two that Javy started at 3B. If he doesn't go back to 3rd whenever Javy gets called up I'll be shocked.
Quote from: SKO on June 05, 2015, 02:41:56 PM
DPD, errors are also a terrible stat for measuring how good a guy is defensively.
Especially in the minors, where the fields suck and you're less likely to get bailed out on poor throws.
Quote from: Eli on June 05, 2015, 02:48:56 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 05, 2015, 02:41:56 PM
DPD, errors are also a terrible stat for measuring how good a guy is defensively.
Especially in the minors, where the fields suck and you're less likely to get bailed out on poor throws.
Pen's the reason Derek Jeter won a gold glove. Errors my ass.
Oh and since I already used him as an example, Beltre made 37 errors one year in the minors. Peniswrong again!
Quote from: SKO on June 05, 2015, 02:52:03 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 05, 2015, 02:48:56 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 05, 2015, 02:41:56 PM
DPD, errors are also a terrible stat for measuring how good a guy is defensively.
Especially in the minors, where the fields suck and you're less likely to get bailed out on poor throws.
Pen's the reason Derek Jeter won a gold glove. Errors my ass.
Oh and since I already used him as an example, Beltre made 37 errors one year in the minors. Peniswrong again!
Errors are not a good stat, that's fine, but you can still use them directionally.
Or you could read people who are writing about the Cubs minor leagues who say he's been poor defensively this year.
Either way.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2015, 03:11:22 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 05, 2015, 02:52:03 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 05, 2015, 02:48:56 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 05, 2015, 02:41:56 PM
DPD, errors are also a terrible stat for measuring how good a guy is defensively.
Especially in the minors, where the fields suck and you're less likely to get bailed out on poor throws.
Pen's the reason Derek Jeter won a gold glove. Errors my ass.
Oh and since I already used him as an example, Beltre made 37 errors one year in the minors. Peniswrong again!
Errors are not a good stat, that's fine, but you can still use them directionally.
Or you could read people who are writing about the Cubs minor leagues who say he's been poor defensively this year.
Either way.
Oh so we've now evolved to citing other bloggers as our defense. Tell me, do you have anything about Christian Villanueva not being a long term fit at 3B defensively other than errors and "some guys you read"? Can you at least name these guys?
All I know is Baez made something like 40 errors two years ago so I figured we were getting a good-hit, no defense shortstop.
And then I saw him play both middle infield positions at the major league level for 2 months to clearly see that he was a legit defensive player and it got me off errors-as-a-measurement once and for all.
Quote from: SKO on June 05, 2015, 03:14:22 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2015, 03:11:22 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 05, 2015, 02:52:03 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 05, 2015, 02:48:56 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 05, 2015, 02:41:56 PM
DPD, errors are also a terrible stat for measuring how good a guy is defensively.
Especially in the minors, where the fields suck and you're less likely to get bailed out on poor throws.
Pen's the reason Derek Jeter won a gold glove. Errors my ass.
Oh and since I already used him as an example, Beltre made 37 errors one year in the minors. Peniswrong again!
Errors are not a good stat, that's fine, but you can still use them directionally.
Or you could read people who are writing about the Cubs minor leagues who say he's been poor defensively this year.
Either way.
Oh so we've now evolved to citing other bloggers as our defense. Tell me, do you have anything about Christian Villanueva not being a long term fit at 3B defensively other than errors and "some guys you read"? Can you at least name these guys?
Well, since I'm not a scout and I don't watch the games, I'm not sure what else you'd like to go on here.
I think citing "people who watch the games" is probably a decent source, considering the circumstances here.
Hell, you're in Iowa, why don't you go and tell us?
His fielding percentage is also way down this year, though his Range Factor is fine.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2015, 03:16:34 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 05, 2015, 03:14:22 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2015, 03:11:22 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 05, 2015, 02:52:03 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 05, 2015, 02:48:56 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 05, 2015, 02:41:56 PM
DPD, errors are also a terrible stat for measuring how good a guy is defensively.
Especially in the minors, where the fields suck and you're less likely to get bailed out on poor throws.
Pen's the reason Derek Jeter won a gold glove. Errors my ass.
Oh and since I already used him as an example, Beltre made 37 errors one year in the minors. Peniswrong again!
Errors are not a good stat, that's fine, but you can still use them directionally.
Or you could read people who are writing about the Cubs minor leagues who say he's been poor defensively this year.
Either way.
Oh so we've now evolved to citing other bloggers as our defense. Tell me, do you have anything about Christian Villanueva not being a long term fit at 3B defensively other than errors and "some guys you read"? Can you at least name these guys?
Well, since I'm not a scout and I don't watch the games, I'm not sure what else you'd like to go on here.
I think citing "people who watch the games" is probably a decent source, considering the circumstances here.
Hell, you're in Iowa, why don't you go and tell us?
His fielding percentage is also way down this year, though his Range Factor is fine.
Fielding percentage is based solely on errors so that makes sense. I'm glad your vague non-existent source (which is probably just the Cubs Den guy who ALSO says he sees Villanueva sticking at 3B long term anyway) is more authoritative than range factor and him being drafted as a 3B, developed as a 3B, and ranked as a top 100 prospect at one point largely because of his glove.
Oh and I actually watched Villanueva's first game at Iowa this year, with Wada pitching, he made several nice diving stops and his throws looked great. I'm now a certified expert on the Pen Scale.
Quote from: SKO on June 05, 2015, 03:19:36 PM
Oh and I actually watched Villanueva's first game at Iowa this year, with Wada pitching, he made several nice diving stops and his throws looked great. I'm now a certified expert on the Pen Scale.
Seems like a pretty small sample size.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2015, 03:19:59 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 05, 2015, 03:19:36 PM
Oh and I actually watched Villanueva's first game at Iowa this year, with Wada pitching, he made several nice diving stops and his throws looked great. I'm now a certified expert on the Pen Scale.
Seems like a pretty small sample size.
Barely even registers on the Tocco Scale.
When Villanueva is starting at 3B three years from now for a last place AL team I'll have my day. I'll have my fucking day.
Quote from: SKO on June 05, 2015, 03:26:33 PM
When Villanueva is starting at 3B three years from now for a last place AL team I'll have my day. I'll have my fucking day.
Actually, Arguello will have
his day.
Quote from: Today
I think he's a second division starter (at 3B) as far as his ceiling is concerned, assuming he cleans up the defense, but the Cubs are no longer a 2nd division team. A team with a need at 3B and looking for cost control (i.e. a rebuilding team) may be able to use him.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2015, 03:30:42 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 05, 2015, 03:26:33 PM
When Villanueva is starting at 3B three years from now for a last place AL team I'll have my day. I'll have my fucking day.
Actually, Arguello will have his day.
Quote from: Today
I think he's a second division starter (at 3B) as far as his ceiling is concerned, assuming he cleans up the defense, but the Cubs are no longer a 2nd division team. A team with a need at 3B and looking for cost control (i.e. a rebuilding team) may be able to use him.
Either way he's a third baseman and you're a dope.
So Christian Villaneuva is basically Spanish for Mike Olt. Let's move on.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on June 05, 2015, 03:51:23 PM
So Christian Villaneuva is basically Spanish for Mike Olt. Let's move on.
Other than being not even remotely comparable, profile-wise, as hitters, this is spot on! And Mike Olt was once traded to a rebuilding team for a quality starting pitcher, so, yeah, this is
exactly what we're trying to accomplish here.
But seriously Villanueva's struck out 21 times this year. Olt's K'd twice that much while on the DL.
Quote from: SKO on June 05, 2015, 03:53:31 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on June 05, 2015, 03:51:23 PM
So Christian Villaneuva is basically Spanish for Mike Olt. Let's move on.
Other than being not even remotely comparable, profile-wise, as hitters, this is spot on! And Mike Olt was once traded to a rebuilding team for a quality starting pitcher, so, yeah, this is exactly what we're trying to accomplish here.
But seriously Villanueva's struck out 21 times this year. Olt's K'd twice that much while on the DL.
I'm glad that SKO's frighteningly rapid descent into Hueyhood has been recorded on this messageboard for posterity, otherwise I might not believe it.
Quote from: CT III on June 05, 2015, 08:25:28 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 05, 2015, 03:53:31 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on June 05, 2015, 03:51:23 PM
So Christian Villaneuva is basically Spanish for Mike Olt. Let's move on.
Other than being not even remotely comparable, profile-wise, as hitters, this is spot on! And Mike Olt was once traded to a rebuilding team for a quality starting pitcher, so, yeah, this is exactly what we're trying to accomplish here.
But seriously Villanueva's struck out 21 times this year. Olt's K'd twice that much while on the DL.
I'm glad that SKO's frighteningly rapid descent into Hueyhood has been recorded on this messageboard for posterity, otherwise I might not believe it.
Don't blame me for Pen saying something stupid. Not gonna just sit here and let him be wrong.
Quote from: CT III on June 05, 2015, 08:25:28 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 05, 2015, 03:53:31 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on June 05, 2015, 03:51:23 PM
So Christian Villaneuva is basically Spanish for Mike Olt. Let's move on.
Other than being not even remotely comparable, profile-wise, as hitters, this is spot on! And Mike Olt was once traded to a rebuilding team for a quality starting pitcher, so, yeah, this is exactly what we're trying to accomplish here.
But seriously Villanueva's struck out 21 times this year. Olt's K'd twice that much while on the DL.
I'm glad that SKO's frighteningly rapid descent into Hueyhood has been recorded on this messageboard for posterity, otherwise I might not believe it.
Brings a tear to me eye, it does.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 05, 2015, 12:33:40 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 05, 2015, 10:54:05 AM
Feels like Christian Villanueva should be mentioned here. Given the reputation he has defensively at 3B I'd bet he'll be part of one of the packages they trade away this year.
Except he's made 15 errors at 3B already this year and they already moved him to 1B.
I don't disagree that he'll be part of a package trade, but I don't think he has any future with the Cubs.
Nice to see him hitting well again.
For the record he's started at 3B since Javy got hurt.
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 04:29:17 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 04:22:36 PM
DPD, but for a lot of guys, I'm assuming these BMIs are based on measurements from later in their careers and not when they were 23.
I'll happily settle for Carlos Lee or Nelson Cruz, but not many others on this list that were primarily OFs.
Kudos to Tank for some impressive analysis. Especially going through all that trouble for an audience of like 9 people.
As for the actual numbers, they aren't ... encouraging. But there's so much that can change, it seems premature to worry too much. He could move to first, get traded, trade Rizzo, lose 25 pounds, etc.
Oh man look what I found boredom browsing this thread. Eli owes someone an apology.
Quote from: SKO on June 12, 2015, 12:18:33 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 04:29:17 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 04:22:36 PM
DPD, but for a lot of guys, I'm assuming these BMIs are based on measurements from later in their careers and not when they were 23.
I'll happily settle for Carlos Lee or Nelson Cruz, but not many others on this list that were primarily OFs.
Kudos to Tank for some impressive analysis. Especially going through all that trouble for an audience of like 9 people.
As for the actual numbers, they aren't ... encouraging. But there's so much that can change, it seems premature to worry too much. He could move to first, get traded, trade Rizzo, lose 25 pounds, etc.
Oh man look what I found boredom browsing this thread. Eli owes someone an apology.
Actually, based on this I think Neyer owes me an apology.
Quote from: Eli on June 12, 2015, 12:33:43 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 12, 2015, 12:18:33 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 06, 2014, 04:29:17 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 06, 2014, 04:22:36 PM
DPD, but for a lot of guys, I'm assuming these BMIs are based on measurements from later in their careers and not when they were 23.
I'll happily settle for Carlos Lee or Nelson Cruz, but not many others on this list that were primarily OFs.
Kudos to Tank for some impressive analysis. Especially going through all that trouble for an audience of like 9 people.
As for the actual numbers, they aren't ... encouraging. But there's so much that can change, it seems premature to worry too much. He could move to first, get traded, trade Rizzo, lose 25 pounds, etc.
Oh man look what I found boredom browsing this thread. Eli owes someone an apology.
Actually, based on this I think Neyer owes me an apology.
Well we know now why you told him it wouldn't happen. You'd been trying without success to trade Rizzo for nearly a year.
Quote from: SKO on May 19, 2015, 10:17:00 AM
I know actual, living, breathing, normally smart human beings who think the Cubs shouldn't trade an "elite hitting prospect" like Dan Vogelbach (unless it's like 1:1 for Hamels or Cueto) because the DH "might" be coming to the NL soon. I wanted to pound my head against my desk. Is this what it feels like to be Eli?
April: 362/470/594
May: 282/408/410
Think the Southern League is figuring our boy out.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on June 12, 2015, 12:42:27 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 19, 2015, 10:17:00 AM
I know actual, living, breathing, normally smart human beings who think the Cubs shouldn't trade an "elite hitting prospect" like Dan Vogelbach (unless it's like 1:1 for Hamels or Cueto) because the DH "might" be coming to the NL soon. I wanted to pound my head against my desk. Is this what it feels like to be Eli?
April: 362/470/594
May: 282/408/410
Think the Southern League is figuring our boy out.
Well he was never going to keep that pace up forever. I'm pretty sure he's a fatter Lyle Overbay that offers nothing defensively. That said, AL teams could definitely use a DH and part time 1B like that, so trade him now.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on June 12, 2015, 12:42:27 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 19, 2015, 10:17:00 AM
I know actual, living, breathing, normally smart human beings who think the Cubs shouldn't trade an "elite hitting prospect" like Dan Vogelbach (unless it's like 1:1 for Hamels or Cueto) because the DH "might" be coming to the NL soon. I wanted to pound my head against my desk. Is this what it feels like to be Eli?
April: 362/470/594
May: 282/408/410
Think the Southern League is figuring our boy out.
Jesus Christ, he's like one of those Superstar hitters in the old Baseball Stars NES game.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on June 12, 2015, 12:42:27 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 19, 2015, 10:17:00 AM
I know actual, living, breathing, normally smart human beings who think the Cubs shouldn't trade an "elite hitting prospect" like Dan Vogelbach (unless it's like 1:1 for Hamels or Cueto) because the DH "might" be coming to the NL soon. I wanted to pound my head against my desk. Is this what it feels like to be Eli?
April: 362/470/594
May: 282/408/410
Think the Southern League is figuring our boy out.
Or, maybe, we shouldn't put too much stock into a month's worth of numbers?
Quote from: Oleg on June 12, 2015, 02:06:31 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on June 12, 2015, 12:42:27 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 19, 2015, 10:17:00 AM
I know actual, living, breathing, normally smart human beings who think the Cubs shouldn't trade an "elite hitting prospect" like Dan Vogelbach (unless it's like 1:1 for Hamels or Cueto) because the DH "might" be coming to the NL soon. I wanted to pound my head against my desk. Is this what it feels like to be Eli?
April: 362/470/594
May: 282/408/410
Think the Southern League is figuring our boy out.
Or, maybe, we shouldn't put too much stock into a month's worth of numbers?
Which month are you referring to?
Quote from: Oleg on June 12, 2015, 02:06:31 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on June 12, 2015, 12:42:27 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 19, 2015, 10:17:00 AM
I know actual, living, breathing, normally smart human beings who think the Cubs shouldn't trade an "elite hitting prospect" like Dan Vogelbach (unless it's like 1:1 for Hamels or Cueto) because the DH "might" be coming to the NL soon. I wanted to pound my head against my desk. Is this what it feels like to be Eli?
April: 362/470/594
May: 282/408/410
Think the Southern League is figuring our boy out.
Or, maybe, we shouldn't put too much stock into a month's worth of numbers?
Considering his career splits are 287/380/481 I'm thinking last month is the one we should be putting stock into.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on June 12, 2015, 03:19:28 PM
Quote from: Oleg on June 12, 2015, 02:06:31 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on June 12, 2015, 12:42:27 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 19, 2015, 10:17:00 AM
I know actual, living, breathing, normally smart human beings who think the Cubs shouldn't trade an "elite hitting prospect" like Dan Vogelbach (unless it's like 1:1 for Hamels or Cueto) because the DH "might" be coming to the NL soon. I wanted to pound my head against my desk. Is this what it feels like to be Eli?
April: 362/470/594
May: 282/408/410
Think the Southern League is figuring our boy out.
Or, maybe, we shouldn't put too much stock into a month's worth of numbers?
Considering his career splits are 287/380/481 I'm thinking last month is the one we should be putting stock into.
I put zero stock in Dan Vogelbach. He'll never be a Cub.
Quote from: Slaky on June 12, 2015, 05:23:06 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on June 12, 2015, 03:19:28 PM
Quote from: Oleg on June 12, 2015, 02:06:31 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on June 12, 2015, 12:42:27 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 19, 2015, 10:17:00 AM
I know actual, living, breathing, normally smart human beings who think the Cubs shouldn't trade an "elite hitting prospect" like Dan Vogelbach (unless it's like 1:1 for Hamels or Cueto) because the DH "might" be coming to the NL soon. I wanted to pound my head against my desk. Is this what it feels like to be Eli?
April: 362/470/594
May: 282/408/410
Think the Southern League is figuring our boy out.
Or, maybe, we shouldn't put too much stock into a month's worth of numbers?
Considering his career splits are 287/380/481 I'm thinking last month is the one we should be putting stock into.
I put zero stock in Dan Vogelbach. He'll never be a Cub.
Well, not until Rizzo gets traded.
Gleyber was 5-5 with a HR today. Can't trade him
Quote from: Yeti on June 14, 2015, 07:50:19 PM
Gleyber was 5-5 with a HR today. Can't trade him
He's still their best trade bait. If they're able to get a major piece with him as the center (which may be unlikely), they should pull the trigger.
Ian Happ signs (http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/2015/06/ian-happ-heading-to-mesa-also-thoughts-on-cubs-and-what-may-be-a-new-market-inefficiency-in-the-draft/).
Holy shit. It's a gonna happenin.
(https://twitter.com/DanielVogelbach/status/610621831867969536)
Quote from: @DanielVogelbachCongrats to my bash brother @kschwarb12 on the call to the show. Gonna miss my boy but couldn't be more happy for a better dude. Go ball out
DH/pinch hit from now till Sunday then off to Iowa till September or till I murder David Ross. Boner time.
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2015, 08:58:38 PM
DH/pinch hit from now till Sunday then off to Iowa till September or till I murder David Ross. Boner time.
Eff that. I hope he's up for good.
Quote from: Eli on June 15, 2015, 09:32:17 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2015, 08:58:38 PM
DH/pinch hit from now till Sunday then off to Iowa till September or till I murder David Ross. Boner time.
Eff that. I hope he's up for good.
Well that's their stated plan. I hope he makes them change their minds
If he comes back in September is he now eligible for the postseason roster?
Quote from: Yeti on June 15, 2015, 11:45:49 PM
If he comes back in September is he now eligible for the postseason roster?
No. Would have to placed on the active 25-man on August 31 at the latest.
Quote from: Eli on June 15, 2015, 09:32:17 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2015, 08:58:38 PM
DH/pinch hit from now till Sunday then off to Iowa till September or till I murder David Ross. Boner time.
Eff that. I hope he's up for good.
Eff that. He needs to be with the I-Cubs when I go to see them in Tennessee at the end of July.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 16, 2015, 12:26:12 AM
Quote from: Yeti on June 15, 2015, 11:45:49 PM
If he comes back in September is he now eligible for the postseason roster?
No. Would have to placed on the active 25-man on August 31 at the latest.
Or on the major league DL by August 31.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on June 16, 2015, 08:42:11 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on June 16, 2015, 12:26:12 AM
Quote from: Yeti on June 15, 2015, 11:45:49 PM
If he comes back in September is he now eligible for the postseason roster?
No. Would have to placed on the active 25-man on August 31 at the latest.
Or on the major league DL by August 31.
From Baseball Prospectus (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=11872):
QuoteIf an eligible player cannot play in a post-season series because of injury, his club may petition the Commissioner's office to replace him with any player who was in the organization on August 31, provided the replacement was included on the roster of a minor-league affiliate at the end of the major-league season.
Quote from: Shooter on June 16, 2015, 07:50:44 PM
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Alright guys, since we're invoking the rule of completeness here:
QuoteA club's Active List (25-man roster) must be submitted to the MLB Commissioner prior to the start of each post-season series (LDS, LCS, and World Series).
1. All players on a club's MLB Reserve List (40-man roster) prior to midnight (Eastern) on August 31st are eligible to be included on a post-season Active List (25-man roster).
2. A player on an MLB club's Disabled List (7-day, 15-day, or 60-day) or Restricted List (Prohibited Substance Suspension or extended Bereavement Leave only) is eligible to be included on a post-season Active List only after spending the minimum number of days required to be served by a player on that list.
3. Any player on the Disqualified List, Ineligible List, or Restricted List (for reasons other than extended Bereavement Leave or a Prohibited Substance Suspension) as of midnight August 31st is ineligible to be included on his club's post-season Active List.
4. A post-season eligible player who is placed on an MLB Disabled List, Bereavement List, Paternity Leave List, or Restricted List (Prohibited Substance Suspension or extended Bereavement Leave only) prior to the start of a post-season series can (with the approval of the MLB Commissioner) be replaced on his club's LDS, LCS, or World Series Active List by a player who was on a Reserve List or Inactive List of a minor league affiliate from that organization prior to midnight August 31st. The minor league player must be added to his club's MLB Reserve List (40-man roster) before he can be added to the club's Active Roster.
5. A player on a post-season Active List (25-man roster) who is injured or leaves his club on Bereavement Leave or Paternity Leave during a post-season series can (with the approval of the MLB Commissioner) be replaced on his club's Active List prior to the conclusion of that series by another eligible player, or by a player who was on a Reserve List or Inactive List of a minor league affiliate from that organization prior to midnight August 31st. The minor league player must be added to his club's MLB Reserve List (40-man roster) before he can be added to the club's Active Roster. Also, a a pitcher must replace a pitcher and a position player must replace a position player.
6. If an injured pitcher or position player is replaced during a post-season series, the injured pitcher or position player is ineligible to be reinstated to his club's Active List (25-man roster) for the balance of that series and the next series (LCS or World Series).
Eloy is 2-2 so far. Can't trade him.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 02:04:29 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 29, 2015, 02:00:51 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 29, 2015, 01:54:07 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 29, 2015, 01:51:10 PM
So in this scenario:
1-1 Tie, Cubs-Cardinals, Lance Lynn vs. Wada.
Wada puts the first two guys on in the top of the 5th, Matt Holliday comes up to bat.
In these types of scenarios Joe has pulled Wada/Hendricks all year long. I'm saying "let's put CJ Edwards in" and Pen's saying "let's try Travis Wood!" and somehow I'm the one insulting CJ Edwards.
So what do you do with Edwards the other 80% of the games?
Hendricks has gone through the lineup 3 times each of his last 2 times out.
Why do you hate Kyle Hendricks like a common Eli?
Give me some innings/appearance comps for a 5th inning savior vs. an 8th/9th inning guy.
Assuming Edwards is really good, you use him (or Rondon or Strop) as early as possible whenever you're in trouble, let the offense scores some runs, and then turn it over to Edwin Jackson/Travis Wood/Brian Schlitter for some three-run saves. Once Jackson/Wood/Schlitter have racked up said saves, trade them to some team that puts a premium on "established closers."
Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
Okay, so Joe's pretty innovative, right? At least in baseball terms.
Why do you think he doesn't deploy a method like this?
Bump for going to Rondon in the 7th, Strop in the 8th, then Motte in the 9th. Keep it up, Joe.
Donnie Dewees is 6 for 20 with 4 2B, 2 BB and 3 K.
Ian Happ is at .262/.396/.524/.920 with 2 2B, 3 HR, 4 SB, 10 BB and 12 K.
Gleybor Torres at .320/.387/.414/.801 with 12 2B, 3 3B, 2 HR, 28 BB and 60 K.
Carson Sands threw 6 good innings yesterday. His ERA is 2.81 and WHIP under 0.9 in 16 IP.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 01, 2015, 08:09:45 AM
Donnie Dewees is 6 for 20 with 4 2B, 2 BB and 3 K.
Ian Happ is at .262/.396/.524/.920 with 2 2B, 3 HR, 4 SB, 10 BB and 12 K.
Gleybor Torres at .320/.387/.414/.801 with 12 2B, 3 3B, 2 HR, 28 BB and 60 K.
Carson Sands threw 6 good innings yesterday. His ERA is 2.81 and WHIP under 0.9 in 16 IP.
That's a very, very nice start for Happ.
Quote from: Tonker on July 01, 2015, 08:26:59 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on July 01, 2015, 08:09:45 AM
Donnie Dewees is 6 for 20 with 4 2B, 2 BB and 3 K.
Ian Happ is at .262/.396/.524/.920 with 2 2B, 3 HR, 4 SB, 10 BB and 12 K.
Gleybor Torres at .320/.387/.414/.801 with 12 2B, 3 3B, 2 HR, 28 BB and 60 K.
Carson Sands threw 6 good innings yesterday. His ERA is 2.81 and WHIP under 0.9 in 16 IP.
That's a very, very nice start for Happ.
Yeah, this college hitter talent accumulation is a good strategy. Happ is 20, Dewees is 21. I hope they can finish the year in South Bend or Myrtle Beach. Dewees is a first round talent from most accounts...good job, Cubs.
Anybody know anything more about the 3rd rounder?
Welp, Ian Happ has been promoted to South Bend. Donnie Dewees has hit his first professional HR as well.
Happ: .283/.408/.491/.898 4 HR, 11 RBI, 8 2B, 1 3B with 23 BB and 28 K. Whoa.
Dewees: .230/.297/.340/.637 1 HR, 11 RBI, 8 2B, 9 BB and 21 K.
When does Chesny Young (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-chesny-young-minors-cubs-spt-0724-20150723-story.html) become a thing?
42 straight games of reaching base seems like a significant amount.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 24, 2015, 09:14:48 AM
When does Chesny Young (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-chesny-young-minors-cubs-spt-0724-20150723-story.html) become a thing?
42 straight games of reaching base seems like a significant amount.
Already a thing, I think. He doesn't have any power, but he's hit over .300 every step of the way (aside from 2 games in the Arizona Rk league). Probably not a guy that'll matter. More likely a trade piece somewhere along the line
Quote from: Yeti on July 24, 2015, 09:34:14 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 24, 2015, 09:14:48 AM
When does Chesny Young (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-chesny-young-minors-cubs-spt-0724-20150723-story.html) become a thing?
42 straight games of reaching base seems like a significant amount.
Already a thing, I think. He doesn't have any power, but he's hit over .300 every step of the way (aside from 2 games in the Arizona Rk league). Probably not a guy that'll matter. More likely a trade piece somewhere along the line
I've only seen him play 2B. If he can play 3B and/or SS as well, he would have some value as a spare infielder.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 24, 2015, 09:42:11 AM
Quote from: Yeti on July 24, 2015, 09:34:14 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on July 24, 2015, 09:14:48 AM
When does Chesny Young (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-chesny-young-minors-cubs-spt-0724-20150723-story.html) become a thing?
42 straight games of reaching base seems like a significant amount.
Already a thing, I think. He doesn't have any power, but he's hit over .300 every step of the way (aside from 2 games in the Arizona Rk league). Probably not a guy that'll matter. More likely a trade piece somewhere along the line
I've only seen him play 2B. If he can play 3B and/or SS as well, he would have some value as a spare infielder.
I guess in four or five years I'll be the asshole defending Chesny Young.
[whispers] Since June 1, Albert Almora has a .769 OPS and something approaching a 1:1 K/BB ratio. There's still a lot of progress to be made to think he can crack even a ~.700 OPS in the majors (the totally arbitrary mark I'm setting for him to be useful in combination with his defense), but it's nice to see him trending in a positive direction at the plate. [/whispers]
Quote from: Eli on August 10, 2015, 10:11:16 AM
[whispers] Since June 1, Albert Almora has a .769 OPS and something approaching a 1:1 K/BB ratio. There's still a lot of progress to be made to think he can crack even a ~.700 OPS in the majors (the totally arbitrary mark I'm setting for him to be useful in combination with his defense), but it's nice to see him trending in a positive direction at the plate. [/whispers]
At the very least if he wants to finish this season hitting well I'm sure a gold glove caliber centerfielder who can hit some line drives into the gaps will appeal to the Padres and their massive outfield in the offseason trade talks for Tyson Ross.
Quote from: Eli on August 10, 2015, 10:11:16 AM
[whispers] Since June 1, Albert Almora has a .769 OPS and something approaching a 1:1 K/BB ratio. There's still a lot of progress to be made to think he can crack even a ~.700 OPS in the majors (the totally arbitrary mark I'm setting for him to be useful in combination with his defense), but it's nice to see him trending in a positive direction at the plate. [/whispers]
This is totally DRLP (https://twitter.com/rvmcd/status/630124012098576384) to my 7 followers.
I think .700 sounds about right though, because of my totally baseless assumption that Almora's defense would be almost-but-not-quite-as-good as Kiermaier's.
And let's assume for a minute an up the middle defense of Russell/Baez/Almora (ignoring catcher for the moment since we don't know if that'll be Schwarber, Contreras, or someone else) and that Baez's 2B defense would be as good or better than he showed in last year's short stint; what would be the last Cubs team that was that strong up the middle defensively?
Quote from: R-V on August 10, 2015, 12:13:40 PM
Quote from: Eli on August 10, 2015, 10:11:16 AM
[whispers] Since June 1, Albert Almora has a .769 OPS and something approaching a 1:1 K/BB ratio. There's still a lot of progress to be made to think he can crack even a ~.700 OPS in the majors (the totally arbitrary mark I'm setting for him to be useful in combination with his defense), but it's nice to see him trending in a positive direction at the plate. [/whispers]
This is totally DRLP (https://twitter.com/rvmcd/status/630124012098576384) to my 7 followers.
I think .700 sounds about right though, because of my totally baseless assumption that Almora's defense would be almost-but-not-quite-as-good as Kiermaier's.
And let's assume for a minute an up the middle defense of Russell/Baez/Almora (ignoring catcher for the moment since we don't know if that'll be Schwarber, Contreras, or someone else) and that Baez's 2B defense would be as good or better than he showed in last year's short stint; what would be the last Cubs team that was that strong up the middle defensively?
Who's the leadoff man in that configuration assuming Rizzo and Bryant at first? Russell would have to hit .300 for that to work.
Quote from: R-V on August 10, 2015, 12:13:40 PM
I think .700 sounds about right though, because of my totally baseless assumption that Almora's defense would be almost-but-not-quite-as-good as Kiermaier's.
That's a tall order, even for a baseless assumption, but for rough WAR numbers, it works fine here. A poor man's Kiermaier could still be a 2.5-win player, which isn't too bad for someone cost-controlled.
Quote from: Slaky on August 10, 2015, 12:16:14 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 10, 2015, 12:13:40 PM
Quote from: Eli on August 10, 2015, 10:11:16 AM
[whispers] Since June 1, Albert Almora has a .769 OPS and something approaching a 1:1 K/BB ratio. There's still a lot of progress to be made to think he can crack even a ~.700 OPS in the majors (the totally arbitrary mark I'm setting for him to be useful in combination with his defense), but it's nice to see him trending in a positive direction at the plate. [/whispers]
This is totally DRLP (https://twitter.com/rvmcd/status/630124012098576384) to my 7 followers.
I think .700 sounds about right though, because of my totally baseless assumption that Almora's defense would be almost-but-not-quite-as-good as Kiermaier's.
And let's assume for a minute an up the middle defense of Russell/Baez/Almora (ignoring catcher for the moment since we don't know if that'll be Schwarber, Contreras, or someone else) and that Baez's 2B defense would be as good or better than he showed in last year's short stint; what would be the last Cubs team that was that strong up the middle defensively?
Who's the leadoff man in that configuration assuming Rizzo and Bryant at first? Russell would have to hit .300 for that to work.
Spitballing here for mid-2016/2017ish. For what it's worth, Russell put up a .377 OBP in the minors. Split the difference between that and the .300ish he's put up in the majors this year and that's right about where Dex is now at leadoff.
Russell SS
Schwarber LF
Bryant 3B
Rizzo 1B
Soler RF
Baez 2B
Contreras? C
Price/Arrieta/Lester/Zimmerman/Cueto P
Almora CF
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 01:28:00 PM
Here's an actual attempt at a contribution: I think SKO's EPIC MESSAGE BOARD MELTDOWN can be at least partially attributed to the approach that some Cubs fans take regarding all these prospects, namely the slotting in of guys who haven't even made it to AAA yet into certain positions on the big league team.
"Well a year or so from now we'll be looking at Almora in CF and Schwarber at catcher which will put Bryant in LF and then you've gotta figure out if Baez or Castro or Russell plays third base..."
The big league team has sucked for so long that all we've been left with is prospect watching, which leads to some unhealthy expectations on translating the minor league success (or in Almora's case, not-totally-failing) that we've watched so intently into major league success.
I don't think Huey or anyone on this messageboard has that attitude
Quote from: SKO on August 10, 2015, 12:37:20 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 01:28:00 PM
Here's an actual attempt at a contribution: I think SKO's EPIC MESSAGE BOARD MELTDOWN can be at least partially attributed to the approach that some Cubs fans take regarding all these prospects, namely the slotting in of guys who haven't even made it to AAA yet into certain positions on the big league team.
"Well a year or so from now we'll be looking at Almora in CF and Schwarber at catcher which will put Bryant in LF and then you've gotta figure out if Baez or Castro or Russell plays third base..."
The big league team has sucked for so long that all we've been left with is prospect watching, which leads to some unhealthy expectations on translating the minor league success (or in Almora's case, not-totally-failing) that we've watched so intently into major league success.
I don't think Huey or anyone on this messageboard has that attitude
Roasting accepted.
Quote from: R-V on August 10, 2015, 12:38:34 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 10, 2015, 12:37:20 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 24, 2015, 01:28:00 PM
Here's an actual attempt at a contribution: I think SKO's EPIC MESSAGE BOARD MELTDOWN can be at least partially attributed to the approach that some Cubs fans take regarding all these prospects, namely the slotting in of guys who haven't even made it to AAA yet into certain positions on the big league team.
"Well a year or so from now we'll be looking at Almora in CF and Schwarber at catcher which will put Bryant in LF and then you've gotta figure out if Baez or Castro or Russell plays third base..."
The big league team has sucked for so long that all we've been left with is prospect watching, which leads to some unhealthy expectations on translating the minor league success (or in Almora's case, not-totally-failing) that we've watched so intently into major league success.
I don't think Huey or anyone on this messageboard has that attitude
Roasting accepted.
I don't even mind your spitballing, it was just too fucking perfect.
Quote from: R-V on August 10, 2015, 12:29:37 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 10, 2015, 12:16:14 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 10, 2015, 12:13:40 PM
Quote from: Eli on August 10, 2015, 10:11:16 AM
[whispers] Since June 1, Albert Almora has a .769 OPS and something approaching a 1:1 K/BB ratio. There's still a lot of progress to be made to think he can crack even a ~.700 OPS in the majors (the totally arbitrary mark I'm setting for him to be useful in combination with his defense), but it's nice to see him trending in a positive direction at the plate. [/whispers]
This is totally DRLP (https://twitter.com/rvmcd/status/630124012098576384) to my 7 followers.
I think .700 sounds about right though, because of my totally baseless assumption that Almora's defense would be almost-but-not-quite-as-good as Kiermaier's.
And let's assume for a minute an up the middle defense of Russell/Baez/Almora (ignoring catcher for the moment since we don't know if that'll be Schwarber, Contreras, or someone else) and that Baez's 2B defense would be as good or better than he showed in last year's short stint; what would be the last Cubs team that was that strong up the middle defensively?
Who's the leadoff man in that configuration assuming Rizzo and Bryant at first? Russell would have to hit .300 for that to work.
Spitballing here for mid-2016/2017ish. For what it's worth, Russell put up a .377 OBP in the minors. Split the difference between that and the .300ish he's put up in the majors this year and that's right about where Dex is now at leadoff.
Russell SS
Schwarber LF
Bryant 3B
Rizzo 1B
Soler RF
Baez 2B
Contreras? C
Price/Arrieta/Lester/Zimmerman/Cueto P
Almora CF
jeebus
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Quote from: Eli on August 10, 2015, 10:11:16 AM
[whispers] Since June 1, Albert Almora has a .769 OPS and something approaching a 1:1 K/BB ratio. There's still a lot of progress to be made to think he can crack even a ~.700 OPS in the majors (the totally arbitrary mark I'm setting for him to be useful in combination with his defense), but it's nice to see him trending in a positive direction at the plate. [/whispers]
This is totally DRLP (https://twitter.com/rvmcd/status/630124012098576384) to my 7 followers.
I think .700 sounds about right though, because of my totally baseless assumption that Almora's defense would be almost-but-not-quite-as-good as Kiermaier's.
And let's assume for a minute an up the middle defense of Russell/Baez/Almora (ignoring catcher for the moment since we don't know if that'll be Schwarber, Contreras, or someone else) and that Baez's 2B defense would be as good or better than he showed in last year's short stint; what would be the last Cubs team that was that strong up the middle defensively?
Who's the leadoff man in that configuration assuming Rizzo and Bryant at first? Russell would have to hit .300 for that to work.
Spitballing here for mid-2016/2017ish. For what it's worth, Russell put up a .377 OBP in the minors. Split the difference between that and the .300ish he's put up in the majors this year and that's right about where Dex is now at leadoff.
Russell SS
Schwarber LF
Bryant 3B
Rizzo 1B
Soler RF
Baez 2B
Contreras? C
Price/Arrieta/Lester/Zimmerman/Cueto P
Almora CF
jeebus
Where's Ross, Carrasco, and de Grom? [/s]
Cubs give 1.2 million to a 17 year old Korean 5 tool player http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/08/17/chicago-cubs-sign-korean-prospect-kwang-min-kwon-for-1-2-million/.
Seems a lot of money for a lottery ticket so they must really like the kid. I would also place the likelihood of Al turning his article about the signing into a discussion of Leon Lee and Hee Seop Choi at roughly 10,000 percent.
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2015, 11:50:03 AM
Cubs give 1.2 million to a 17 year old Korean 5 tool player http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/08/17/chicago-cubs-sign-korean-prospect-kwang-min-kwon-for-1-2-million/.
Seems a lot of money for a lottery ticket so they must really like the kid. I would also place the likelihood of Al turning his article about the signing into a discussion of Leon Lee and Hee Seop Choi at roughly 10,000 percent.
"What If Hee-Seop Choi Was Never Traded and Was Good? An Alternate History In Ten Parts by Al Yellon."
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 17, 2015, 01:26:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2015, 11:50:03 AM
Cubs give 1.2 million to a 17 year old Korean 5 tool player http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/08/17/chicago-cubs-sign-korean-prospect-kwang-min-kwon-for-1-2-million/.
Seems a lot of money for a lottery ticket so they must really like the kid. I would also place the likelihood of Al turning his article about the signing into a discussion of Leon Lee and Hee Seop Choi at roughly 10,000 percent.
"What If Hee-Seop Choi Was Never Traded and Was Good? An Alternate History In Ten Parts by Al Yellon."
Chapter 1: Choi gets the hell out of the way.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 17, 2015, 01:35:12 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 17, 2015, 01:26:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2015, 11:50:03 AM
Cubs give 1.2 million to a 17 year old Korean 5 tool player http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/08/17/chicago-cubs-sign-korean-prospect-kwang-min-kwon-for-1-2-million/.
Seems a lot of money for a lottery ticket so they must really like the kid. I would also place the likelihood of Al turning his article about the signing into a discussion of Leon Lee and Hee Seop Choi at roughly 10,000 percent.
"What If Hee-Seop Choi Was Never Traded and Was Good? An Alternate History In Ten Parts by Al Yellon."
Chapter 1: Choi gets the hell out of the way.
Wow, the possibilities are endless. For one thing, this probably moves up the appearance of hilariously racist Asian t-shirts in the bleachers by 4 years.
Quote from: CT III on August 17, 2015, 01:44:38 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 17, 2015, 01:35:12 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 17, 2015, 01:26:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2015, 11:50:03 AM
Cubs give 1.2 million to a 17 year old Korean 5 tool player http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/08/17/chicago-cubs-sign-korean-prospect-kwang-min-kwon-for-1-2-million/.
Seems a lot of money for a lottery ticket so they must really like the kid. I would also place the likelihood of Al turning his article about the signing into a discussion of Leon Lee and Hee Seop Choi at roughly 10,000 percent.
"What If Hee-Seop Choi Was Never Traded and Was Good? An Alternate History In Ten Parts by Al Yellon."
Chapter 1: Choi gets the hell out of the way.
Wow, the possibilities are endless. For one thing, this probably moves up the appearance of hilariously racist Asian t-shirts in the bleachers by 4 years.
Also $1.2 million is nothing for a lottery ticket. That's like a quarter of a decent reliever. It's also the slot value for the 50th overall pick in the draft, the eighth pick in the second round.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 17, 2015, 01:48:11 PM
Quote from: CT III on August 17, 2015, 01:44:38 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 17, 2015, 01:35:12 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 17, 2015, 01:26:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2015, 11:50:03 AM
Cubs give 1.2 million to a 17 year old Korean 5 tool player http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/08/17/chicago-cubs-sign-korean-prospect-kwang-min-kwon-for-1-2-million/.
Seems a lot of money for a lottery ticket so they must really like the kid. I would also place the likelihood of Al turning his article about the signing into a discussion of Leon Lee and Hee Seop Choi at roughly 10,000 percent.
"What If Hee-Seop Choi Was Never Traded and Was Good? An Alternate History In Ten Parts by Al Yellon."
Chapter 1: Choi gets the hell out of the way.
Wow, the possibilities are endless. For one thing, this probably moves up the appearance of hilariously racist Asian t-shirts in the bleachers by 4 years.
Also $1.2 million is nothing for a lottery ticket. That's like a quarter of a decent reliever. It's also the slot value for the 50th overall pick in the draft, the eighth pick in the second round.
I guess that's true considering they give zero fucks about the cap and the penalties.
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 17, 2015, 01:35:12 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 17, 2015, 01:26:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2015, 11:50:03 AM
Cubs give 1.2 million to a 17 year old Korean 5 tool player http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/08/17/chicago-cubs-sign-korean-prospect-kwang-min-kwon-for-1-2-million/.
Seems a lot of money for a lottery ticket so they must really like the kid. I would also place the likelihood of Al turning his article about the signing into a discussion of Leon Lee and Hee Seop Choi at roughly 10,000 percent.
"What If Hee-Seop Choi Was Never Traded and Was Good? An Alternate History In Ten Parts by Al Yellon."
Chapter 1: Choi gets the hell out of the way.
Wow, the possibilities are endless. For one thing, this probably moves up the appearance of hilariously racist Asian t-shirts in the bleachers by 4 years.
I checked that Bleacher Nation article just to see how quickly Fukudome and Hee Seop Choi were mentioned. Both made very rapid appearances.
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2015, 01:50:14 PM
Quote from: CT III on August 17, 2015, 01:44:38 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 17, 2015, 01:35:12 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 17, 2015, 01:26:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2015, 11:50:03 AM
Cubs give 1.2 million to a 17 year old Korean 5 tool player http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/08/17/chicago-cubs-sign-korean-prospect-kwang-min-kwon-for-1-2-million/.
Seems a lot of money for a lottery ticket so they must really like the kid. I would also place the likelihood of Al turning his article about the signing into a discussion of Leon Lee and Hee Seop Choi at roughly 10,000 percent.
"What If Hee-Seop Choi Was Never Traded and Was Good? An Alternate History In Ten Parts by Al Yellon."
Chapter 1: Choi gets the hell out of the way.
Wow, the possibilities are endless. For one thing, this probably moves up the appearance of hilariously racist Asian t-shirts in the bleachers by 4 years.
I checked that Bleacher Nation article just to see how quickly Fukudome and Hee Seop Choi were mentioned. Both made very rapid appearances.
(http://www.angryasianman.com/images/angry/hawkharrelson01.jpg) (http://blog.angryasianman.com/2014/07/announcer-calls-asian-pitchers-oriental.html)
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 17, 2015, 01:59:46 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2015, 01:50:14 PM
Quote from: CT III on August 17, 2015, 01:44:38 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 17, 2015, 01:35:12 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 17, 2015, 01:26:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2015, 11:50:03 AM
Cubs give 1.2 million to a 17 year old Korean 5 tool player http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/08/17/chicago-cubs-sign-korean-prospect-kwang-min-kwon-for-1-2-million/.
Seems a lot of money for a lottery ticket so they must really like the kid. I would also place the likelihood of Al turning his article about the signing into a discussion of Leon Lee and Hee Seop Choi at roughly 10,000 percent.
"What If Hee-Seop Choi Was Never Traded and Was Good? An Alternate History In Ten Parts by Al Yellon."
Chapter 1: Choi gets the hell out of the way.
Wow, the possibilities are endless. For one thing, this probably moves up the appearance of hilariously racist Asian t-shirts in the bleachers by 4 years.
I checked that Bleacher Nation article just to see how quickly Fukudome and Hee Seop Choi were mentioned. Both made very rapid appearances.
(http://www.angryasianman.com/images/angry/hawkharrelson01.jpg) (http://blog.angryasianman.com/2014/07/announcer-calls-asian-pitchers-oriental.html)
I don't know why this exists, but I laughed.
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2015, 02:58:11 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 17, 2015, 01:59:46 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2015, 01:50:14 PM
Quote from: CT III on August 17, 2015, 01:44:38 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 17, 2015, 01:35:12 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 17, 2015, 01:26:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2015, 11:50:03 AM
Cubs give 1.2 million to a 17 year old Korean 5 tool player http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/08/17/chicago-cubs-sign-korean-prospect-kwang-min-kwon-for-1-2-million/.
Seems a lot of money for a lottery ticket so they must really like the kid. I would also place the likelihood of Al turning his article about the signing into a discussion of Leon Lee and Hee Seop Choi at roughly 10,000 percent.
"What If Hee-Seop Choi Was Never Traded and Was Good? An Alternate History In Ten Parts by Al Yellon."
Chapter 1: Choi gets the hell out of the way.
Wow, the possibilities are endless. For one thing, this probably moves up the appearance of hilariously racist Asian t-shirts in the bleachers by 4 years.
I checked that Bleacher Nation article just to see how quickly Fukudome and Hee Seop Choi were mentioned. Both made very rapid appearances.
(http://www.angryasianman.com/images/angry/hawkharrelson01.jpg) (http://blog.angryasianman.com/2014/07/announcer-calls-asian-pitchers-oriental.html)
I don't know why this exists, but I laughed.
If you want to know why, it's clickable for a reason
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 17, 2015, 03:01:29 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2015, 02:58:11 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 17, 2015, 01:59:46 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2015, 01:50:14 PM
Quote from: CT III on August 17, 2015, 01:44:38 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 17, 2015, 01:35:12 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 17, 2015, 01:26:08 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 17, 2015, 11:50:03 AM
Cubs give 1.2 million to a 17 year old Korean 5 tool player http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/08/17/chicago-cubs-sign-korean-prospect-kwang-min-kwon-for-1-2-million/.
Seems a lot of money for a lottery ticket so they must really like the kid. I would also place the likelihood of Al turning his article about the signing into a discussion of Leon Lee and Hee Seop Choi at roughly 10,000 percent.
"What If Hee-Seop Choi Was Never Traded and Was Good? An Alternate History In Ten Parts by Al Yellon."
Chapter 1: Choi gets the hell out of the way.
Wow, the possibilities are endless. For one thing, this probably moves up the appearance of hilariously racist Asian t-shirts in the bleachers by 4 years.
I checked that Bleacher Nation article just to see how quickly Fukudome and Hee Seop Choi were mentioned. Both made very rapid appearances.
(http://www.angryasianman.com/images/angry/hawkharrelson01.jpg) (http://blog.angryasianman.com/2014/07/announcer-calls-asian-pitchers-oriental.html)
I don't know why this exists, but I laughed.
If you want to know why, it's clickable for a reason
Jesus Christ, Hawk.
Yesterday marked the 4th straight game that Javier Baez has collected 2 hits in a game. Holding steady at .294/.366/.509 (.875 OPS) for the season at Iowa in 250 or so plate appearances.
Quote from: PANK! on August 19, 2015, 08:17:46 AM
Yesterday marked the 4th straight game that Javier Baez has collected 2 hits in a game. Holding steady at .294/.366/.509 (.875 OPS) for the season at Iowa in 250 or so plate appearances.
Quick. Trade him. His value will never be higher than it is today. Strike while his bat is hot. A rolling stone gathers no moss. Buy low, sell high. 54-40 or bust. He who hesitates is lost. something, something
Quote from: CBStew on August 19, 2015, 12:49:41 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 19, 2015, 08:17:46 AM
Yesterday marked the 4th straight game that Javier Baez has collected 2 hits in a game. Holding steady at .294/.366/.509 (.875 OPS) for the season at Iowa in 250 or so plate appearances.
Quick. Trade him. His value will never be higher than it is today. Strike while his bat is hot. A rolling stone gathers no moss. Buy low, sell high. 54-40 or bust. He who hesitates is lost. something, something
Stew, as one of the resident history nerds here, I can't let your mistype one of America's greatest Presidential campaign slogans go uncorrected. It is, of course, Fifty-Four Forty or Fight.
Quote from: CT III on August 19, 2015, 12:53:09 PM
Quote from: CBStew on August 19, 2015, 12:49:41 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 19, 2015, 08:17:46 AM
Yesterday marked the 4th straight game that Javier Baez has collected 2 hits in a game. Holding steady at .294/.366/.509 (.875 OPS) for the season at Iowa in 250 or so plate appearances.
Quick. Trade him. His value will never be higher than it is today. Strike while his bat is hot. A rolling stone gathers no moss. Buy low, sell high. 54-40 or bust. He who hesitates is lost. something, something
Stew, as one of the resident history nerds here, I can't let your mistype one of America's greatest Presidential campaign slogans go uncorrected. It is, of course, Fifty-Four Forty or Fight.
SIDEBAR: There are not enough good books about that time period. I have tried and failed several times to find a book about the Mexican War (and just the Mexican War, not the Mexican War thrown in as some bigger point someone is making about the Civil War) that was interesting.
Quote from: SKO on August 19, 2015, 01:05:21 PM
Quote from: CT III on August 19, 2015, 12:53:09 PM
Quote from: CBStew on August 19, 2015, 12:49:41 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 19, 2015, 08:17:46 AM
Yesterday marked the 4th straight game that Javier Baez has collected 2 hits in a game. Holding steady at .294/.366/.509 (.875 OPS) for the season at Iowa in 250 or so plate appearances.
Quick. Trade him. His value will never be higher than it is today. Strike while his bat is hot. A rolling stone gathers no moss. Buy low, sell high. 54-40 or bust. He who hesitates is lost. something, something
Stew, as one of the resident history nerds here, I can't let your mistype one of America's greatest Presidential campaign slogans go uncorrected. It is, of course, Fifty-Four Forty or Fight.
SIDEBAR: There are not enough good books about that time period. I have tried and failed several times to find a book about the Mexican War (and just the Mexican War, not the Mexican War thrown in as some bigger point someone is making about the Civil War) that was interesting.
Ask Trump. He's the expert.
Quote from: CT III on August 19, 2015, 12:53:09 PM
Quote from: CBStew on August 19, 2015, 12:49:41 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 19, 2015, 08:17:46 AM
Yesterday marked the 4th straight game that Javier Baez has collected 2 hits in a game. Holding steady at .294/.366/.509 (.875 OPS) for the season at Iowa in 250 or so plate appearances.
Quick. Trade him. His value will never be higher than it is today. Strike while his bat is hot. A rolling stone gathers no moss. Buy low, sell high. 54-40 or bust. He who hesitates is lost. something, something
Stew, as one of the resident history nerds here, I can't let your mistype one of America's greatest Presidential campaign slogans go uncorrected. It is, of course, Fifty-Four Forty or Fight.
Be nice. Stew can't be expected to remember something that happened when he was barely out of his teen years.
Quote from: Bort on August 19, 2015, 02:16:37 PM
Quote from: CT III on August 19, 2015, 12:53:09 PM
Quote from: CBStew on August 19, 2015, 12:49:41 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 19, 2015, 08:17:46 AM
Yesterday marked the 4th straight game that Javier Baez has collected 2 hits in a game. Holding steady at .294/.366/.509 (.875 OPS) for the season at Iowa in 250 or so plate appearances.
Quick. Trade him. His value will never be higher than it is today. Strike while his bat is hot. A rolling stone gathers no moss. Buy low, sell high. 54-40 or bust. He who hesitates is lost. something, something
Stew, as one of the resident history nerds here, I can't let your mistype one of America's greatest Presidential campaign slogans go uncorrected. It is, of course, Fifty-Four Forty or Fight.
Be nice. Stew can't be expected to remember something that happened when he was barely out of his teen years.
As the last surviving member of the Whig Party, Stew was opposed to the democrats and their expansionist plots anyway.
Quote from: Bort on August 19, 2015, 02:16:37 PM
Quote from: CT III on August 19, 2015, 12:53:09 PM
Quote from: CBStew on August 19, 2015, 12:49:41 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 19, 2015, 08:17:46 AM
Yesterday marked the 4th straight game that Javier Baez has collected 2 hits in a game. Holding steady at .294/.366/.509 (.875 OPS) for the season at Iowa in 250 or so plate appearances.
Quick. Trade him. His value will never be higher than it is today. Strike while his bat is hot. A rolling stone gathers no moss. Buy low, sell high. 54-40 or bust. He who hesitates is lost. something, something
Stew, as one of the resident history nerds here, I can't let your mistype one of America's greatest Presidential campaign slogans go uncorrected. It is, of course, Fifty-Four Forty or Fight.
Be nice. Stew can't be expected to remember something that happened when he was barely out of his teen years.
I wasn't that impressed with Polk.
Des Moines Register reporter Tommy Birch, 31, who frequently covers the Iowa Cubs, was arrested (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2015/08/19/urbandale-businessman-charged-prostitution/31987431/) last night in a Buttpuddle County prostitution sting.
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/77976031b266bdbfc9c0cd79db9622a75239b625/c=46-0-755-533&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/DesMoines/NG/2013/12/14/des.s12xxtommybirch.007.jpg)
His Twitter has gone silent, but you can still ask him questions (https://twitter.com/TommyBirch/status/633725250430177280).
Quote from: PANK! on August 19, 2015, 08:17:46 AM
Yesterday marked the 4th straight game that Javier Baez has collected 2 hits in a game. Holding steady at .294/.366/.509 (.875 OPS) for the season at Iowa in 250 or so plate appearances.
3 hits, 1 walk, no K's yesterday. Now 12 for his last 23 with 2 walks and just 4 K's in that timeframe. K% at Iowa is now 24.7%. I feel like we should get him a cake or something for being under 25%. That feels like a big step for him.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 19, 2015, 11:51:47 PM
Des Moines Register reporter Tommy Birch, 31, who frequently covers the Iowa Cubs, was arrested (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2015/08/19/urbandale-businessman-charged-prostitution/31987431/) last night in a Buttpuddle County prostitution sting.
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/77976031b266bdbfc9c0cd79db9622a75239b625/c=46-0-755-533&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/DesMoines/NG/2013/12/14/des.s12xxtommybirch.007.jpg)
His Twitter has gone silent, but you can still ask him questions (https://twitter.com/TommyBirch/status/633725250430177280).
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Good I fucking hate that guy.
Quote from: Slaky on August 20, 2015, 08:38:07 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 19, 2015, 11:51:47 PM
Des Moines Register reporter Tommy Birch, 31, who frequently covers the Iowa Cubs, was arrested (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2015/08/19/urbandale-businessman-charged-prostitution/31987431/) last night in a Buttpuddle County prostitution sting.
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/77976031b266bdbfc9c0cd79db9622a75239b625/c=46-0-755-533&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/DesMoines/NG/2013/12/14/des.s12xxtommybirch.007.jpg)
His Twitter has gone silent, but you can still ask him questions (https://twitter.com/TommyBirch/status/633725250430177280).
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Good I fucking hate that guy.
Is there a specific interaction that led to this stance? I never paid attention to him unless he was tweeting about a Baez home run or something. But if there's a good Slaky Hate story I want to hear it, because those are usually pretty good.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 19, 2015, 11:51:47 PM
Des Moines Register reporter Tommy Birch, 31, who frequently covers the Iowa Cubs, was arrested (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2015/08/19/urbandale-businessman-charged-prostitution/31987431/) last night in a Buttpuddle County prostitution sting.
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/77976031b266bdbfc9c0cd79db9622a75239b625/c=46-0-755-533&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/DesMoines/NG/2013/12/14/des.s12xxtommybirch.007.jpg)
His Twitter has gone silent, but you can still ask him questions (https://twitter.com/TommyBirch/status/633725250430177280).
................................ We may need to check something. Is he wearing a belt?
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 19, 2015, 11:51:47 PM
Des Moines Register reporter Tommy Birch, 31, who frequently covers the Iowa Cubs, was arrested (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2015/08/19/urbandale-businessman-charged-prostitution/31987431/) last night in a Buttpuddle County prostitution sting.
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/77976031b266bdbfc9c0cd79db9622a75239b625/c=46-0-755-533&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/DesMoines/NG/2013/12/14/des.s12xxtommybirch.007.jpg)
His Twitter has gone silent, but you can still ask him questions (https://twitter.com/TommyBirch/status/633725250430177280).
Cut the man some slack. Without hookers, that guy would never get any.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 20, 2015, 09:21:25 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 19, 2015, 11:51:47 PM
Des Moines Register reporter Tommy Birch, 31, who frequently covers the Iowa Cubs, was arrested (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2015/08/19/urbandale-businessman-charged-prostitution/31987431/) last night in a Buttpuddle County prostitution sting.
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/77976031b266bdbfc9c0cd79db9622a75239b625/c=46-0-755-533&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/DesMoines/NG/2013/12/14/des.s12xxtommybirch.007.jpg)
His Twitter has gone silent, but you can still ask him questions (https://twitter.com/TommyBirch/status/633725250430177280).
Cut the man some slack. Without hookers, that guy would never get any.
He looks like Gordo and Sullivan's fat lovechild.
Quote from: SKO on August 20, 2015, 09:24:08 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 20, 2015, 09:21:25 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 19, 2015, 11:51:47 PM
Des Moines Register reporter Tommy Birch, 31, who frequently covers the Iowa Cubs, was arrested (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2015/08/19/urbandale-businessman-charged-prostitution/31987431/) last night in a Buttpuddle County prostitution sting.
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/77976031b266bdbfc9c0cd79db9622a75239b625/c=46-0-755-533&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/DesMoines/NG/2013/12/14/des.s12xxtommybirch.007.jpg)
His Twitter has gone silent, but you can still ask him questions (https://twitter.com/TommyBirch/status/633725250430177280).
Cut the man some slack. Without hookers, that guy would never get any.
He looks like Gordo and Sullivan's fat lovechild.
Oh, my god.
And I will cut him some slack. As long as all the hookers were over 18, there is no reason this guy's pathetic life should be ruined.
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 09:36:09 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 20, 2015, 09:24:08 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 20, 2015, 09:21:25 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 19, 2015, 11:51:47 PM
Des Moines Register reporter Tommy Birch, 31, who frequently covers the Iowa Cubs, was arrested (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2015/08/19/urbandale-businessman-charged-prostitution/31987431/) last night in a Buttpuddle County prostitution sting.
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/77976031b266bdbfc9c0cd79db9622a75239b625/c=46-0-755-533&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/DesMoines/NG/2013/12/14/des.s12xxtommybirch.007.jpg)
His Twitter has gone silent, but you can still ask him questions (https://twitter.com/TommyBirch/status/633725250430177280).
Cut the man some slack. Without hookers, that guy would never get any.
He looks like Gordo and Sullivan's fat lovechild.
Oh, my god.
And I will cut him some slack. As long as all the hookers were over 18, there is no reason this guy's pathetic life should be ruined.
I mean you're not wrong. Prostitution should probably be legal and good for him if that's how he's gonna get his shit broke off.
That said he's just a sad, boring turd on-line with no sense of humor so I don't like him based on that. I hope he doesn't get punched while he's in jail.
Quote from: Slaky on August 20, 2015, 09:46:27 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 09:36:09 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 20, 2015, 09:24:08 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 20, 2015, 09:21:25 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 19, 2015, 11:51:47 PM
Des Moines Register reporter Tommy Birch, 31, who frequently covers the Iowa Cubs, was arrested (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2015/08/19/urbandale-businessman-charged-prostitution/31987431/) last night in a Buttpuddle County prostitution sting.
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/77976031b266bdbfc9c0cd79db9622a75239b625/c=46-0-755-533&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/DesMoines/NG/2013/12/14/des.s12xxtommybirch.007.jpg)
His Twitter has gone silent, but you can still ask him questions (https://twitter.com/TommyBirch/status/633725250430177280).
Cut the man some slack. Without hookers, that guy would never get any.
He looks like Gordo and Sullivan's fat lovechild.
Oh, my god.
And I will cut him some slack. As long as all the hookers were over 18, there is no reason this guy's pathetic life should be ruined.
I mean you're not wrong. Prostitution should probably be legal and good for him if that's how he's gonna get his shit broke off.
That said he's just a sad, boring turd on-line with no sense of humor so I don't like him based on that. I hope he doesn't get punched while he's in jail.
Yeah. Yeah. I know. Prostitution is a crime against women, even though the majority of prostitutes are women. The prostitutes are doing it because they are victims of society, etc., etc. Now that I have admitted that, would someone tell me who was really hurt by his "crime" badly enough to put him in our overcrowded prison system?
Quote from: CBStew on August 20, 2015, 10:53:30 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 20, 2015, 09:46:27 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 09:36:09 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 20, 2015, 09:24:08 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 20, 2015, 09:21:25 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 19, 2015, 11:51:47 PM
Des Moines Register reporter Tommy Birch, 31, who frequently covers the Iowa Cubs, was arrested (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2015/08/19/urbandale-businessman-charged-prostitution/31987431/) last night in a Buttpuddle County prostitution sting.
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/77976031b266bdbfc9c0cd79db9622a75239b625/c=46-0-755-533&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/DesMoines/NG/2013/12/14/des.s12xxtommybirch.007.jpg)
His Twitter has gone silent, but you can still ask him questions (https://twitter.com/TommyBirch/status/633725250430177280).
Cut the man some slack. Without hookers, that guy would never get any.
He looks like Gordo and Sullivan's fat lovechild.
Oh, my god.
And I will cut him some slack. As long as all the hookers were over 18, there is no reason this guy's pathetic life should be ruined.
I mean you're not wrong. Prostitution should probably be legal and good for him if that's how he's gonna get his shit broke off.
That said he's just a sad, boring turd on-line with no sense of humor so I don't like him based on that. I hope he doesn't get punched while he's in jail.
Yeah. Yeah. I know. Prostitution is a crime against women, even though the majority of prostitutes are women. The prostitutes are doing it because they are victims of society, etc., etc. Now that I have admitted that, would someone tell me who was really hurt by his "crime" badly enough to put him in our overcrowded prison system?
I'm saying, as long as they were 18 and not part of some fucked up human trafficking cartel, I don't know.
Quote from: CBStew on August 20, 2015, 10:53:30 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 20, 2015, 09:46:27 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 09:36:09 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 20, 2015, 09:24:08 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 20, 2015, 09:21:25 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 19, 2015, 11:51:47 PM
Des Moines Register reporter Tommy Birch, 31, who frequently covers the Iowa Cubs, was arrested (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2015/08/19/urbandale-businessman-charged-prostitution/31987431/) last night in a Buttpuddle County prostitution sting.
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/77976031b266bdbfc9c0cd79db9622a75239b625/c=46-0-755-533&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/DesMoines/NG/2013/12/14/des.s12xxtommybirch.007.jpg)
His Twitter has gone silent, but you can still ask him questions (https://twitter.com/TommyBirch/status/633725250430177280).
Cut the man some slack. Without hookers, that guy would never get any.
He looks like Gordo and Sullivan's fat lovechild.
Oh, my god.
And I will cut him some slack. As long as all the hookers were over 18, there is no reason this guy's pathetic life should be ruined.
I mean you're not wrong. Prostitution should probably be legal and good for him if that's how he's gonna get his shit broke off.
That said he's just a sad, boring turd on-line with no sense of humor so I don't like him based on that. I hope he doesn't get punched while he's in jail.
Yeah. Yeah. I know. Prostitution is a crime against women, even though the majority of prostitutes are women. The prostitutes are doing it because they are victims of society, etc., etc. Now that I have admitted that, would someone tell me who was really hurt by his "crime" badly enough to put him in our overcrowded prison system?
God
Quote from: Yeti on August 20, 2015, 10:55:58 AM
Quote from: CBStew on August 20, 2015, 10:53:30 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 20, 2015, 09:46:27 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 09:36:09 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 20, 2015, 09:24:08 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 20, 2015, 09:21:25 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 19, 2015, 11:51:47 PM
Des Moines Register reporter Tommy Birch, 31, who frequently covers the Iowa Cubs, was arrested (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2015/08/19/urbandale-businessman-charged-prostitution/31987431/) last night in a Buttpuddle County prostitution sting.
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/77976031b266bdbfc9c0cd79db9622a75239b625/c=46-0-755-533&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/DesMoines/NG/2013/12/14/des.s12xxtommybirch.007.jpg)
His Twitter has gone silent, but you can still ask him questions (https://twitter.com/TommyBirch/status/633725250430177280).
Cut the man some slack. Without hookers, that guy would never get any.
He looks like Gordo and Sullivan's fat lovechild.
Oh, my god.
And I will cut him some slack. As long as all the hookers were over 18, there is no reason this guy's pathetic life should be ruined.
I mean you're not wrong. Prostitution should probably be legal and good for him if that's how he's gonna get his shit broke off.
That said he's just a sad, boring turd on-line with no sense of humor so I don't like him based on that. I hope he doesn't get punched while he's in jail.
Yeah. Yeah. I know. Prostitution is a crime against women, even though the majority of prostitutes are women. The prostitutes are doing it because they are victims of society, etc., etc. Now that I have admitted that, would someone tell me who was really hurt by his "crime" badly enough to put him in our overcrowded prison system?
God
Well, now Subway has to reopen auditions...
I have always hated that fat fuck Jared from Subway. In Indy it's common to see him hanging around downtown, especially at sporting events with his dorky friends. They get approached by people who are impressed by him. He's supposed to be promoting some healthy diet of bread and meat but every time I saw him he was fat and drunk and ugly as homemade sin.
I once saw him at a Colts game sitting in a section below mine. I was in the front row of the balcony at the old Hoosier/RCA Dump and he was in the front ass row with his crew of (child oggling) derelicts. People were yelling to him and he kept turning around to wave. At one perfectly calm moment, I yelled, "HEY JARED!" He turned around and looked right at me and I yelled, "GET A JOB!" Hilarity ensued.
I can't explain it but there was always something phony about him. His on-screen persona didn't mesh with his beer guzzling fat ass frat boy ways and actions. I always figured he would have been some sort of white collar thief if it weren't for his fame. But I didn't suspect this. He sickens me about as much as any human I've ever seen in real life.
Fuck him, fuck Subway, fuck the Colts.
I guess this is fitting for what CT dubbed the "minor league pederast" thread.
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
I have always hated that fat fuck Jared from Subway. In Indy it's common to see him hanging around downtown, especially at sporting events with his dorky friends. They get approached by people who are impressed by him. He's supposed to be promoting some healthy diet of bread and meat but every time I saw him he was fat and drunk and ugly as homemade sin.
I once saw him at a Colts game sitting in a section below mine. I was in the front row of the balcony at the old Hoosier/RCA Dump and he was in the front ass row with his crew of (child oggling) derelicts. People were yelling to him and he kept turning around to wave. At one perfectly calm moment, I yelled, "HEY JARED!" He turned around and looked right at me and I yelled, "GET A JOB!" Hilarity ensued.
I can't explain it but there was always something phony about him. His on-screen persona didn't mesh with his beer guzzling fat ass frat boy ways and actions. I always figured he would have been some sort of white collar thief if it weren't for his fame. But I didn't suspect this. He sickens me about as much as any human I've ever seen in real life.
Fuck him, fuck Subway, fuck the Colts.
Sterling likes this. I've always hated him too, but now I actually have sensible reasons.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 20, 2015, 12:27:10 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
I have always hated that fat fuck Jared from Subway. In Indy it's common to see him hanging around downtown, especially at sporting events with his dorky friends. They get approached by people who are impressed by him. He's supposed to be promoting some healthy diet of bread and meat but every time I saw him he was fat and drunk and ugly as homemade sin.
I once saw him at a Colts game sitting in a section below mine. I was in the front row of the balcony at the old Hoosier/RCA Dump and he was in the front ass row with his crew of (child oggling) derelicts. People were yelling to him and he kept turning around to wave. At one perfectly calm moment, I yelled, "HEY JARED!" He turned around and looked right at me and I yelled, "GET A JOB!" Hilarity ensued.
I can't explain it but there was always something phony about him. His on-screen persona didn't mesh with his beer guzzling fat ass frat boy ways and actions. I always figured he would have been some sort of white collar thief if it weren't for his fame. But I didn't suspect this. He sickens me about as much as any human I've ever seen in real life.
Fuck him, fuck Subway, fuck the Colts.
Sterling likes this. I've always hated him too, but now I actually have sensible reasons.
Hey man, I think hating him just for being a creepy fat dude who became famous by eating sawdust bread sandwiches three times a day and going on TV to talk about it was perfectly sensible. I don't need Jan from Toyota to get caught selling meth for me to have valid reasons for wanting her launched into space.
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
fuck the Colts.
The rest of Apex's Jared hate was good too. I just really hate the Colts.
Quote from: SKO on August 20, 2015, 12:42:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 20, 2015, 12:27:10 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
I have always hated that fat fuck Jared from Subway. In Indy it's common to see him hanging around downtown, especially at sporting events with his dorky friends. They get approached by people who are impressed by him. He's supposed to be promoting some healthy diet of bread and meat but every time I saw him he was fat and drunk and ugly as homemade sin.
I once saw him at a Colts game sitting in a section below mine. I was in the front row of the balcony at the old Hoosier/RCA Dump and he was in the front ass row with his crew of (child oggling) derelicts. People were yelling to him and he kept turning around to wave. At one perfectly calm moment, I yelled, "HEY JARED!" He turned around and looked right at me and I yelled, "GET A JOB!" Hilarity ensued.
I can't explain it but there was always something phony about him. His on-screen persona didn't mesh with his beer guzzling fat ass frat boy ways and actions. I always figured he would have been some sort of white collar thief if it weren't for his fame. But I didn't suspect this. He sickens me about as much as any human I've ever seen in real life.
Fuck him, fuck Subway, fuck the Colts.
Sterling likes this. I've always hated him too, but now I actually have sensible reasons.
Hey man, I think hating him just for being a creepy fat dude who became famous by eating sawdust bread sandwiches three times a day and going on TV to talk about it was perfectly sensible. I don't need Jan from Toyota to get caught selling meth for me to have valid reasons for wanting her launched into space.
How's that monastery search coming along?
Quote from: SKO on August 20, 2015, 12:42:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 20, 2015, 12:27:10 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
I have always hated that fat fuck Jared from Subway. In Indy it's common to see him hanging around downtown, especially at sporting events with his dorky friends. They get approached by people who are impressed by him. He's supposed to be promoting some healthy diet of bread and meat but every time I saw him he was fat and drunk and ugly as homemade sin.
I once saw him at a Colts game sitting in a section below mine. I was in the front row of the balcony at the old Hoosier/RCA Dump and he was in the front ass row with his crew of (child oggling) derelicts. People were yelling to him and he kept turning around to wave. At one perfectly calm moment, I yelled, "HEY JARED!" He turned around and looked right at me and I yelled, "GET A JOB!" Hilarity ensued.
I can't explain it but there was always something phony about him. His on-screen persona didn't mesh with his beer guzzling fat ass frat boy ways and actions. I always figured he would have been some sort of white collar thief if it weren't for his fame. But I didn't suspect this. He sickens me about as much as any human I've ever seen in real life.
Fuck him, fuck Subway, fuck the Colts.
Sterling likes this. I've always hated him too, but now I actually have sensible reasons.
Hey man, I think hating him just for being a creepy fat dude who became famous by eating sawdust bread sandwiches three times a day and going on TV to talk about it was perfectly sensible. I don't need Jan from Toyota to get caught selling meth for me to have valid reasons for wanting her launched into space.
Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah... woah...
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 01:05:10 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 20, 2015, 12:42:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 20, 2015, 12:27:10 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
I have always hated that fat fuck Jared from Subway. In Indy it's common to see him hanging around downtown, especially at sporting events with his dorky friends. They get approached by people who are impressed by him. He's supposed to be promoting some healthy diet of bread and meat but every time I saw him he was fat and drunk and ugly as homemade sin.
I once saw him at a Colts game sitting in a section below mine. I was in the front row of the balcony at the old Hoosier/RCA Dump and he was in the front ass row with his crew of (child oggling) derelicts. People were yelling to him and he kept turning around to wave. At one perfectly calm moment, I yelled, "HEY JARED!" He turned around and looked right at me and I yelled, "GET A JOB!" Hilarity ensued.
I can't explain it but there was always something phony about him. His on-screen persona didn't mesh with his beer guzzling fat ass frat boy ways and actions. I always figured he would have been some sort of white collar thief if it weren't for his fame. But I didn't suspect this. He sickens me about as much as any human I've ever seen in real life.
Fuck him, fuck Subway, fuck the Colts.
Sterling likes this. I've always hated him too, but now I actually have sensible reasons.
Hey man, I think hating him just for being a creepy fat dude who became famous by eating sawdust bread sandwiches three times a day and going on TV to talk about it was perfectly sensible. I don't need Jan from Toyota to get caught selling meth for me to have valid reasons for wanting her launched into space.
Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah... woah...
My God, do other people like Jan from Toyota? Really? Is that a thing?
Quote from: SKO on August 20, 2015, 01:06:55 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 01:05:10 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 20, 2015, 12:42:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 20, 2015, 12:27:10 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
I have always hated that fat fuck Jared from Subway. In Indy it's common to see him hanging around downtown, especially at sporting events with his dorky friends. They get approached by people who are impressed by him. He's supposed to be promoting some healthy diet of bread and meat but every time I saw him he was fat and drunk and ugly as homemade sin.
I once saw him at a Colts game sitting in a section below mine. I was in the front row of the balcony at the old Hoosier/RCA Dump and he was in the front ass row with his crew of (child oggling) derelicts. People were yelling to him and he kept turning around to wave. At one perfectly calm moment, I yelled, "HEY JARED!" He turned around and looked right at me and I yelled, "GET A JOB!" Hilarity ensued.
I can't explain it but there was always something phony about him. His on-screen persona didn't mesh with his beer guzzling fat ass frat boy ways and actions. I always figured he would have been some sort of white collar thief if it weren't for his fame. But I didn't suspect this. He sickens me about as much as any human I've ever seen in real life.
Fuck him, fuck Subway, fuck the Colts.
Sterling likes this. I've always hated him too, but now I actually have sensible reasons.
Hey man, I think hating him just for being a creepy fat dude who became famous by eating sawdust bread sandwiches three times a day and going on TV to talk about it was perfectly sensible. I don't need Jan from Toyota to get caught selling meth for me to have valid reasons for wanting her launched into space.
Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah... woah...
My God, do other people like Jan from Toyota? Really? Is that a thing?
She's hot. And the AT&T girl is cute.
Quote from: Tony on August 20, 2015, 01:13:56 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 20, 2015, 01:06:55 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 01:05:10 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 20, 2015, 12:42:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 20, 2015, 12:27:10 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
I have always hated that fat fuck Jared from Subway. In Indy it's common to see him hanging around downtown, especially at sporting events with his dorky friends. They get approached by people who are impressed by him. He's supposed to be promoting some healthy diet of bread and meat but every time I saw him he was fat and drunk and ugly as homemade sin.
I once saw him at a Colts game sitting in a section below mine. I was in the front row of the balcony at the old Hoosier/RCA Dump and he was in the front ass row with his crew of (child oggling) derelicts. People were yelling to him and he kept turning around to wave. At one perfectly calm moment, I yelled, "HEY JARED!" He turned around and looked right at me and I yelled, "GET A JOB!" Hilarity ensued.
I can't explain it but there was always something phony about him. His on-screen persona didn't mesh with his beer guzzling fat ass frat boy ways and actions. I always figured he would have been some sort of white collar thief if it weren't for his fame. But I didn't suspect this. He sickens me about as much as any human I've ever seen in real life.
Fuck him, fuck Subway, fuck the Colts.
Sterling likes this. I've always hated him too, but now I actually have sensible reasons.
Hey man, I think hating him just for being a creepy fat dude who became famous by eating sawdust bread sandwiches three times a day and going on TV to talk about it was perfectly sensible. I don't need Jan from Toyota to get caught selling meth for me to have valid reasons for wanting her launched into space.
Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah... woah...
My God, do other people like Jan from Toyota? Really? Is that a thing?
She's hot. And the AT&T girl is cute.
I do find the AT&T girl cute, but overall just am tired of the Quirky White Brunette Pitches Things trope that started with Flo from Progressive. I did not realize I'd receive so much pushback on Jan. I'll let her remain on Earth for now.
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 01:05:10 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 20, 2015, 12:42:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 20, 2015, 12:27:10 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
I have always hated that fat fuck Jared from Subway. In Indy it's common to see him hanging around downtown, especially at sporting events with his dorky friends. They get approached by people who are impressed by him. He's supposed to be promoting some healthy diet of bread and meat but every time I saw him he was fat and drunk and ugly as homemade sin.
I once saw him at a Colts game sitting in a section below mine. I was in the front row of the balcony at the old Hoosier/RCA Dump and he was in the front ass row with his crew of (child oggling) derelicts. People were yelling to him and he kept turning around to wave. At one perfectly calm moment, I yelled, "HEY JARED!" He turned around and looked right at me and I yelled, "GET A JOB!" Hilarity ensued.
I can't explain it but there was always something phony about him. His on-screen persona didn't mesh with his beer guzzling fat ass frat boy ways and actions. I always figured he would have been some sort of white collar thief if it weren't for his fame. But I didn't suspect this. He sickens me about as much as any human I've ever seen in real life.
Fuck him, fuck Subway, fuck the Colts.
Sterling likes this. I've always hated him too, but now I actually have sensible reasons.
Hey man, I think hating him just for being a creepy fat dude who became famous by eating sawdust bread sandwiches three times a day and going on TV to talk about it was perfectly sensible. I don't need Jan from Toyota to get caught selling meth for me to have valid reasons for wanting her launched into space.
Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah... woah...
Toyota Jan is a piece of shit
Quote from: Slaky on August 20, 2015, 01:24:22 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 01:05:10 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 20, 2015, 12:42:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 20, 2015, 12:27:10 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
I have always hated that fat fuck Jared from Subway. In Indy it's common to see him hanging around downtown, especially at sporting events with his dorky friends. They get approached by people who are impressed by him. He's supposed to be promoting some healthy diet of bread and meat but every time I saw him he was fat and drunk and ugly as homemade sin.
I once saw him at a Colts game sitting in a section below mine. I was in the front row of the balcony at the old Hoosier/RCA Dump and he was in the front ass row with his crew of (child oggling) derelicts. People were yelling to him and he kept turning around to wave. At one perfectly calm moment, I yelled, "HEY JARED!" He turned around and looked right at me and I yelled, "GET A JOB!" Hilarity ensued.
I can't explain it but there was always something phony about him. His on-screen persona didn't mesh with his beer guzzling fat ass frat boy ways and actions. I always figured he would have been some sort of white collar thief if it weren't for his fame. But I didn't suspect this. He sickens me about as much as any human I've ever seen in real life.
Fuck him, fuck Subway, fuck the Colts.
Sterling likes this. I've always hated him too, but now I actually have sensible reasons.
Hey man, I think hating him just for being a creepy fat dude who became famous by eating sawdust bread sandwiches three times a day and going on TV to talk about it was perfectly sensible. I don't need Jan from Toyota to get caught selling meth for me to have valid reasons for wanting her launched into space.
Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah... woah...
Toyota Jan is a piece of shit
I'm not here to defend her or Toyota. You all can feel however you want. But she is hot.
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 01:40:54 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 20, 2015, 01:24:22 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 01:05:10 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 20, 2015, 12:42:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 20, 2015, 12:27:10 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
I have always hated that fat fuck Jared from Subway. In Indy it's common to see him hanging around downtown, especially at sporting events with his dorky friends. They get approached by people who are impressed by him. He's supposed to be promoting some healthy diet of bread and meat but every time I saw him he was fat and drunk and ugly as homemade sin.
I once saw him at a Colts game sitting in a section below mine. I was in the front row of the balcony at the old Hoosier/RCA Dump and he was in the front ass row with his crew of (child oggling) derelicts. People were yelling to him and he kept turning around to wave. At one perfectly calm moment, I yelled, "HEY JARED!" He turned around and looked right at me and I yelled, "GET A JOB!" Hilarity ensued.
I can't explain it but there was always something phony about him. His on-screen persona didn't mesh with his beer guzzling fat ass frat boy ways and actions. I always figured he would have been some sort of white collar thief if it weren't for his fame. But I didn't suspect this. He sickens me about as much as any human I've ever seen in real life.
Fuck him, fuck Subway, fuck the Colts.
Sterling likes this. I've always hated him too, but now I actually have sensible reasons.
Hey man, I think hating him just for being a creepy fat dude who became famous by eating sawdust bread sandwiches three times a day and going on TV to talk about it was perfectly sensible. I don't need Jan from Toyota to get caught selling meth for me to have valid reasons for wanting her launched into space.
Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah... woah...
Toyota Jan is a piece of shit
I'm not here to defend her or Toyota. You all can feel however you want. But she is hot.
Now that I've educated myself, yea, she's nothing exceptional. Would put it in, but I'm not enamored. Plus, she's married to Chet
Quote from: Yeti on August 20, 2015, 01:59:11 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 01:40:54 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 20, 2015, 01:24:22 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 01:05:10 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 20, 2015, 12:42:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 20, 2015, 12:27:10 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
I have always hated that fat fuck Jared from Subway. In Indy it's common to see him hanging around downtown, especially at sporting events with his dorky friends. They get approached by people who are impressed by him. He's supposed to be promoting some healthy diet of bread and meat but every time I saw him he was fat and drunk and ugly as homemade sin.
I once saw him at a Colts game sitting in a section below mine. I was in the front row of the balcony at the old Hoosier/RCA Dump and he was in the front ass row with his crew of (child oggling) derelicts. People were yelling to him and he kept turning around to wave. At one perfectly calm moment, I yelled, "HEY JARED!" He turned around and looked right at me and I yelled, "GET A JOB!" Hilarity ensued.
I can't explain it but there was always something phony about him. His on-screen persona didn't mesh with his beer guzzling fat ass frat boy ways and actions. I always figured he would have been some sort of white collar thief if it weren't for his fame. But I didn't suspect this. He sickens me about as much as any human I've ever seen in real life.
Fuck him, fuck Subway, fuck the Colts.
Sterling likes this. I've always hated him too, but now I actually have sensible reasons.
Hey man, I think hating him just for being a creepy fat dude who became famous by eating sawdust bread sandwiches three times a day and going on TV to talk about it was perfectly sensible. I don't need Jan from Toyota to get caught selling meth for me to have valid reasons for wanting her launched into space.
Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah... woah...
Toyota Jan is a piece of shit
I'm not here to defend her or Toyota. You all can feel however you want. But she is hot.
Now that I've educated myself, yea, she's nothing exceptional. Would put it in, but I'm not enamored. Plus, she's married to Chet
You'd put it in knowing you're following Chet?
eewww.
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 01:40:54 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 20, 2015, 01:24:22 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 01:05:10 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 20, 2015, 12:42:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 20, 2015, 12:27:10 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
I have always hated that fat fuck Jared from Subway. In Indy it's common to see him hanging around downtown, especially at sporting events with his dorky friends. They get approached by people who are impressed by him. He's supposed to be promoting some healthy diet of bread and meat but every time I saw him he was fat and drunk and ugly as homemade sin.
I once saw him at a Colts game sitting in a section below mine. I was in the front row of the balcony at the old Hoosier/RCA Dump and he was in the front ass row with his crew of (child oggling) derelicts. People were yelling to him and he kept turning around to wave. At one perfectly calm moment, I yelled, "HEY JARED!" He turned around and looked right at me and I yelled, "GET A JOB!" Hilarity ensued.
I can't explain it but there was always something phony about him. His on-screen persona didn't mesh with his beer guzzling fat ass frat boy ways and actions. I always figured he would have been some sort of white collar thief if it weren't for his fame. But I didn't suspect this. He sickens me about as much as any human I've ever seen in real life.
Fuck him, fuck Subway, fuck the Colts.
Sterling likes this. I've always hated him too, but now I actually have sensible reasons.
Hey man, I think hating him just for being a creepy fat dude who became famous by eating sawdust bread sandwiches three times a day and going on TV to talk about it was perfectly sensible. I don't need Jan from Toyota to get caught selling meth for me to have valid reasons for wanting her launched into space.
Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah... woah...
Toyota Jan is a piece of shit
I'm not here to defend her or Toyota. You all can feel however you want. But she is hot.
It's not her looks that are repugnant.
AT&T girl is a whole different story. Yes.
Quote from: Slaky on August 20, 2015, 02:52:21 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 01:40:54 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 20, 2015, 01:24:22 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 01:05:10 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 20, 2015, 12:42:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 20, 2015, 12:27:10 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
I have always hated that fat fuck Jared from Subway. In Indy it's common to see him hanging around downtown, especially at sporting events with his dorky friends. They get approached by people who are impressed by him. He's supposed to be promoting some healthy diet of bread and meat but every time I saw him he was fat and drunk and ugly as homemade sin.
I once saw him at a Colts game sitting in a section below mine. I was in the front row of the balcony at the old Hoosier/RCA Dump and he was in the front ass row with his crew of (child oggling) derelicts. People were yelling to him and he kept turning around to wave. At one perfectly calm moment, I yelled, "HEY JARED!" He turned around and looked right at me and I yelled, "GET A JOB!" Hilarity ensued.
I can't explain it but there was always something phony about him. His on-screen persona didn't mesh with his beer guzzling fat ass frat boy ways and actions. I always figured he would have been some sort of white collar thief if it weren't for his fame. But I didn't suspect this. He sickens me about as much as any human I've ever seen in real life.
Fuck him, fuck Subway, fuck the Colts.
Sterling likes this. I've always hated him too, but now I actually have sensible reasons.
Hey man, I think hating him just for being a creepy fat dude who became famous by eating sawdust bread sandwiches three times a day and going on TV to talk about it was perfectly sensible. I don't need Jan from Toyota to get caught selling meth for me to have valid reasons for wanting her launched into space.
Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah... woah...
Toyota Jan is a piece of shit
I'm not here to defend her or Toyota. You all can feel however you want. But she is hot.
It's not her looks that are repugnant.
AT&T girl is a whole different story. Yes.
If we're going to throw them all into a Thunderdome, don't forget the girl from Wendy's.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 20, 2015, 03:09:45 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 20, 2015, 02:52:21 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 01:40:54 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 20, 2015, 01:24:22 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 01:05:10 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 20, 2015, 12:42:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 20, 2015, 12:27:10 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
I have always hated that fat fuck Jared from Subway. In Indy it's common to see him hanging around downtown, especially at sporting events with his dorky friends. They get approached by people who are impressed by him. He's supposed to be promoting some healthy diet of bread and meat but every time I saw him he was fat and drunk and ugly as homemade sin.
I once saw him at a Colts game sitting in a section below mine. I was in the front row of the balcony at the old Hoosier/RCA Dump and he was in the front ass row with his crew of (child oggling) derelicts. People were yelling to him and he kept turning around to wave. At one perfectly calm moment, I yelled, "HEY JARED!" He turned around and looked right at me and I yelled, "GET A JOB!" Hilarity ensued.
I can't explain it but there was always something phony about him. His on-screen persona didn't mesh with his beer guzzling fat ass frat boy ways and actions. I always figured he would have been some sort of white collar thief if it weren't for his fame. But I didn't suspect this. He sickens me about as much as any human I've ever seen in real life.
Fuck him, fuck Subway, fuck the Colts.
Sterling likes this. I've always hated him too, but now I actually have sensible reasons.
Hey man, I think hating him just for being a creepy fat dude who became famous by eating sawdust bread sandwiches three times a day and going on TV to talk about it was perfectly sensible. I don't need Jan from Toyota to get caught selling meth for me to have valid reasons for wanting her launched into space.
Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah... woah...
Toyota Jan is a piece of shit
I'm not here to defend her or Toyota. You all can feel however you want. But she is hot.
It's not her looks that are repugnant.
AT&T girl is a whole different story. Yes.
If we're going to throw them all into a Thunderdome, don't forget the girl from Wendy's.
Now her I can't stand. Wouldn't touch her with Yeti's dick.
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 03:56:41 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 20, 2015, 03:09:45 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 20, 2015, 02:52:21 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 01:40:54 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 20, 2015, 01:24:22 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 01:05:10 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 20, 2015, 12:42:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 20, 2015, 12:27:10 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
I have always hated that fat fuck Jared from Subway. In Indy it's common to see him hanging around downtown, especially at sporting events with his dorky friends. They get approached by people who are impressed by him. He's supposed to be promoting some healthy diet of bread and meat but every time I saw him he was fat and drunk and ugly as homemade sin.
I once saw him at a Colts game sitting in a section below mine. I was in the front row of the balcony at the old Hoosier/RCA Dump and he was in the front ass row with his crew of (child oggling) derelicts. People were yelling to him and he kept turning around to wave. At one perfectly calm moment, I yelled, "HEY JARED!" He turned around and looked right at me and I yelled, "GET A JOB!" Hilarity ensued.
I can't explain it but there was always something phony about him. His on-screen persona didn't mesh with his beer guzzling fat ass frat boy ways and actions. I always figured he would have been some sort of white collar thief if it weren't for his fame. But I didn't suspect this. He sickens me about as much as any human I've ever seen in real life.
Fuck him, fuck Subway, fuck the Colts.
Sterling likes this. I've always hated him too, but now I actually have sensible reasons.
Hey man, I think hating him just for being a creepy fat dude who became famous by eating sawdust bread sandwiches three times a day and going on TV to talk about it was perfectly sensible. I don't need Jan from Toyota to get caught selling meth for me to have valid reasons for wanting her launched into space.
Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah... woah...
Toyota Jan is a piece of shit
I'm not here to defend her or Toyota. You all can feel however you want. But she is hot.
It's not her looks that are repugnant.
AT&T girl is a whole different story. Yes.
If we're going to throw them all into a Thunderdome, don't forget the girl from Wendy's.
Now her I can't stand. Wouldn't touch her with Yeti's dick.
She sucks too. She's awful.
To be clear, the AT&T girl is very nice.
Quote from: Slaky on August 20, 2015, 04:02:14 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 03:56:41 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 20, 2015, 03:09:45 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 20, 2015, 02:52:21 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 01:40:54 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 20, 2015, 01:24:22 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 01:05:10 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 20, 2015, 12:42:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 20, 2015, 12:27:10 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
I have always hated that fat fuck Jared from Subway. In Indy it's common to see him hanging around downtown, especially at sporting events with his dorky friends. They get approached by people who are impressed by him. He's supposed to be promoting some healthy diet of bread and meat but every time I saw him he was fat and drunk and ugly as homemade sin.
I once saw him at a Colts game sitting in a section below mine. I was in the front row of the balcony at the old Hoosier/RCA Dump and he was in the front ass row with his crew of (child oggling) derelicts. People were yelling to him and he kept turning around to wave. At one perfectly calm moment, I yelled, "HEY JARED!" He turned around and looked right at me and I yelled, "GET A JOB!" Hilarity ensued.
I can't explain it but there was always something phony about him. His on-screen persona didn't mesh with his beer guzzling fat ass frat boy ways and actions. I always figured he would have been some sort of white collar thief if it weren't for his fame. But I didn't suspect this. He sickens me about as much as any human I've ever seen in real life.
Fuck him, fuck Subway, fuck the Colts.
Sterling likes this. I've always hated him too, but now I actually have sensible reasons.
Hey man, I think hating him just for being a creepy fat dude who became famous by eating sawdust bread sandwiches three times a day and going on TV to talk about it was perfectly sensible. I don't need Jan from Toyota to get caught selling meth for me to have valid reasons for wanting her launched into space.
Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah... woah...
Toyota Jan is a piece of shit
I'm not here to defend her or Toyota. You all can feel however you want. But she is hot.
It's not her looks that are repugnant.
AT&T girl is a whole different story. Yes.
If we're going to throw them all into a Thunderdome, don't forget the girl from Wendy's.
Now her I can't stand. Wouldn't touch her with Yeti's dick.
She sucks too. She's awful.
To be clear, the AT&T girl is very nice.
Whatever happened to the T-Mobile girl? Her, I liked.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 20, 2015, 04:30:57 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 20, 2015, 04:02:14 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 03:56:41 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 20, 2015, 03:09:45 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 20, 2015, 02:52:21 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 01:40:54 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 20, 2015, 01:24:22 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 01:05:10 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 20, 2015, 12:42:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 20, 2015, 12:27:10 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
I have always hated that fat fuck Jared from Subway. In Indy it's common to see him hanging around downtown, especially at sporting events with his dorky friends. They get approached by people who are impressed by him. He's supposed to be promoting some healthy diet of bread and meat but every time I saw him he was fat and drunk and ugly as homemade sin.
I once saw him at a Colts game sitting in a section below mine. I was in the front row of the balcony at the old Hoosier/RCA Dump and he was in the front ass row with his crew of (child oggling) derelicts. People were yelling to him and he kept turning around to wave. At one perfectly calm moment, I yelled, "HEY JARED!" He turned around and looked right at me and I yelled, "GET A JOB!" Hilarity ensued.
I can't explain it but there was always something phony about him. His on-screen persona didn't mesh with his beer guzzling fat ass frat boy ways and actions. I always figured he would have been some sort of white collar thief if it weren't for his fame. But I didn't suspect this. He sickens me about as much as any human I've ever seen in real life.
Fuck him, fuck Subway, fuck the Colts.
Sterling likes this. I've always hated him too, but now I actually have sensible reasons.
Hey man, I think hating him just for being a creepy fat dude who became famous by eating sawdust bread sandwiches three times a day and going on TV to talk about it was perfectly sensible. I don't need Jan from Toyota to get caught selling meth for me to have valid reasons for wanting her launched into space.
Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah... woah...
Toyota Jan is a piece of shit
I'm not here to defend her or Toyota. You all can feel however you want. But she is hot.
It's not her looks that are repugnant.
AT&T girl is a whole different story. Yes.
If we're going to throw them all into a Thunderdome, don't forget the girl from Wendy's.
Now her I can't stand. Wouldn't touch her with Yeti's dick.
She sucks too. She's awful.
To be clear, the AT&T girl is very nice.
Whatever happened to the T-Mobile girl? Her, I liked.
whoisthathotadgirl.tumblr.com/
https://twitter.com/FoulkesCarly
Quote from: Slaky on August 20, 2015, 04:02:14 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 03:56:41 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 20, 2015, 03:09:45 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 20, 2015, 02:52:21 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 01:40:54 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 20, 2015, 01:24:22 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 01:05:10 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 20, 2015, 12:42:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 20, 2015, 12:27:10 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
I have always hated that fat fuck Jared from Subway. In Indy it's common to see him hanging around downtown, especially at sporting events with his dorky friends. They get approached by people who are impressed by him. He's supposed to be promoting some healthy diet of bread and meat but every time I saw him he was fat and drunk and ugly as homemade sin.
I once saw him at a Colts game sitting in a section below mine. I was in the front row of the balcony at the old Hoosier/RCA Dump and he was in the front ass row with his crew of (child oggling) derelicts. People were yelling to him and he kept turning around to wave. At one perfectly calm moment, I yelled, "HEY JARED!" He turned around and looked right at me and I yelled, "GET A JOB!" Hilarity ensued.
I can't explain it but there was always something phony about him. His on-screen persona didn't mesh with his beer guzzling fat ass frat boy ways and actions. I always figured he would have been some sort of white collar thief if it weren't for his fame. But I didn't suspect this. He sickens me about as much as any human I've ever seen in real life.
Fuck him, fuck Subway, fuck the Colts.
Sterling likes this. I've always hated him too, but now I actually have sensible reasons.
Hey man, I think hating him just for being a creepy fat dude who became famous by eating sawdust bread sandwiches three times a day and going on TV to talk about it was perfectly sensible. I don't need Jan from Toyota to get caught selling meth for me to have valid reasons for wanting her launched into space.
Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah... woah...
Toyota Jan is a piece of shit
I'm not here to defend her or Toyota. You all can feel however you want. But she is hot.
It's not her looks that are repugnant.
AT&T girl is a whole different story. Yes.
If we're going to throw them all into a Thunderdome, don't forget the girl from Wendy's.
Now her I can't stand. Wouldn't touch her with Yeti's dick.
She sucks too. She's awful.
To be clear, the AT&T girl is very nice.
She played Gilfoyle's satanic girlfriend on Silicon Valley.
Quote from: ChuckD on August 20, 2015, 04:38:24 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 20, 2015, 04:02:14 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 03:56:41 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 20, 2015, 03:09:45 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 20, 2015, 02:52:21 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 01:40:54 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 20, 2015, 01:24:22 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 01:05:10 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 20, 2015, 12:42:52 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 20, 2015, 12:27:10 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
I have always hated that fat fuck Jared from Subway. In Indy it's common to see him hanging around downtown, especially at sporting events with his dorky friends. They get approached by people who are impressed by him. He's supposed to be promoting some healthy diet of bread and meat but every time I saw him he was fat and drunk and ugly as homemade sin.
I once saw him at a Colts game sitting in a section below mine. I was in the front row of the balcony at the old Hoosier/RCA Dump and he was in the front ass row with his crew of (child oggling) derelicts. People were yelling to him and he kept turning around to wave. At one perfectly calm moment, I yelled, "HEY JARED!" He turned around and looked right at me and I yelled, "GET A JOB!" Hilarity ensued.
I can't explain it but there was always something phony about him. His on-screen persona didn't mesh with his beer guzzling fat ass frat boy ways and actions. I always figured he would have been some sort of white collar thief if it weren't for his fame. But I didn't suspect this. He sickens me about as much as any human I've ever seen in real life.
Fuck him, fuck Subway, fuck the Colts.
Sterling likes this. I've always hated him too, but now I actually have sensible reasons.
Hey man, I think hating him just for being a creepy fat dude who became famous by eating sawdust bread sandwiches three times a day and going on TV to talk about it was perfectly sensible. I don't need Jan from Toyota to get caught selling meth for me to have valid reasons for wanting her launched into space.
Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah... woah...
Toyota Jan is a piece of shit
I'm not here to defend her or Toyota. You all can feel however you want. But she is hot.
It's not her looks that are repugnant.
AT&T girl is a whole different story. Yes.
If we're going to throw them all into a Thunderdome, don't forget the girl from Wendy's.
Now her I can't stand. Wouldn't touch her with Yeti's dick.
She sucks too. She's awful.
To be clear, the AT&T girl is very nice.
She played Gilfoyle's satanic girlfriend on Silicon Valley.
That is a sequence of words that makes sense to some people, I'm sure.
Quote from: Bort on August 20, 2015, 05:45:04 PM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 20, 2015, 03:09:45 PM
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Quote from: Slaky on August 20, 2015, 01:24:22 PM
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Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
I have always hated that fat fuck Jared from Subway. In Indy it's common to see him hanging around downtown, especially at sporting events with his dorky friends. They get approached by people who are impressed by him. He's supposed to be promoting some healthy diet of bread and meat but every time I saw him he was fat and drunk and ugly as homemade sin.
I once saw him at a Colts game sitting in a section below mine. I was in the front row of the balcony at the old Hoosier/RCA Dump and he was in the front ass row with his crew of (child oggling) derelicts. People were yelling to him and he kept turning around to wave. At one perfectly calm moment, I yelled, "HEY JARED!" He turned around and looked right at me and I yelled, "GET A JOB!" Hilarity ensued.
I can't explain it but there was always something phony about him. His on-screen persona didn't mesh with his beer guzzling fat ass frat boy ways and actions. I always figured he would have been some sort of white collar thief if it weren't for his fame. But I didn't suspect this. He sickens me about as much as any human I've ever seen in real life.
Fuck him, fuck Subway, fuck the Colts.
Sterling likes this. I've always hated him too, but now I actually have sensible reasons.
Hey man, I think hating him just for being a creepy fat dude who became famous by eating sawdust bread sandwiches three times a day and going on TV to talk about it was perfectly sensible. I don't need Jan from Toyota to get caught selling meth for me to have valid reasons for wanting her launched into space.
Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah... woah...
Toyota Jan is a piece of shit
I'm not here to defend her or Toyota. You all can feel however you want. But she is hot.
It's not her looks that are repugnant.
AT&T girl is a whole different story. Yes.
If we're going to throw them all into a Thunderdome, don't forget the girl from Wendy's.
Now her I can't stand. Wouldn't touch her with Yeti's dick.
She sucks too. She's awful.
To be clear, the AT&T girl is very nice.
She played Gilfoyle's satanic girlfriend on Silicon Valley.
That is a sequence of words that makes sense to some people, I'm sure.
I am one such person and was very excited when I saw her appear.
Quote from: Slaky on August 20, 2015, 06:59:34 PM
Quote from: Bort on August 20, 2015, 05:45:04 PM
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Quote from: Slaky on August 20, 2015, 01:24:22 PM
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Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
I have always hated that fat fuck Jared from Subway. In Indy it's common to see him hanging around downtown, especially at sporting events with his dorky friends. They get approached by people who are impressed by him. He's supposed to be promoting some healthy diet of bread and meat but every time I saw him he was fat and drunk and ugly as homemade sin.
I once saw him at a Colts game sitting in a section below mine. I was in the front row of the balcony at the old Hoosier/RCA Dump and he was in the front ass row with his crew of (child oggling) derelicts. People were yelling to him and he kept turning around to wave. At one perfectly calm moment, I yelled, "HEY JARED!" He turned around and looked right at me and I yelled, "GET A JOB!" Hilarity ensued.
I can't explain it but there was always something phony about him. His on-screen persona didn't mesh with his beer guzzling fat ass frat boy ways and actions. I always figured he would have been some sort of white collar thief if it weren't for his fame. But I didn't suspect this. He sickens me about as much as any human I've ever seen in real life.
Fuck him, fuck Subway, fuck the Colts.
Sterling likes this. I've always hated him too, but now I actually have sensible reasons.
Hey man, I think hating him just for being a creepy fat dude who became famous by eating sawdust bread sandwiches three times a day and going on TV to talk about it was perfectly sensible. I don't need Jan from Toyota to get caught selling meth for me to have valid reasons for wanting her launched into space.
Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah... woah...
Toyota Jan is a piece of shit
I'm not here to defend her or Toyota. You all can feel however you want. But she is hot.
It's not her looks that are repugnant.
AT&T girl is a whole different story. Yes.
If we're going to throw them all into a Thunderdome, don't forget the girl from Wendy's.
Now her I can't stand. Wouldn't touch her with Yeti's dick.
She sucks too. She's awful.
To be clear, the AT&T girl is very nice.
She played Gilfoyle's satanic girlfriend on Silicon Valley.
That is a sequence of words that makes sense to some people, I'm sure.
I am one such person and was very excited when I saw her appear.
And I thought the show was pretty hilarious.
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I have always hated that fat fuck Jared from Subway. In Indy it's common to see him hanging around downtown, especially at sporting events with his dorky friends. They get approached by people who are impressed by him. He's supposed to be promoting some healthy diet of bread and meat but every time I saw him he was fat and drunk and ugly as homemade sin.
I once saw him at a Colts game sitting in a section below mine. I was in the front row of the balcony at the old Hoosier/RCA Dump and he was in the front ass row with his crew of (child oggling) derelicts. People were yelling to him and he kept turning around to wave. At one perfectly calm moment, I yelled, "HEY JARED!" He turned around and looked right at me and I yelled, "GET A JOB!" Hilarity ensued.
I can't explain it but there was always something phony about him. His on-screen persona didn't mesh with his beer guzzling fat ass frat boy ways and actions. I always figured he would have been some sort of white collar thief if it weren't for his fame. But I didn't suspect this. He sickens me about as much as any human I've ever seen in real life.
Fuck him, fuck Subway, fuck the Colts.
Sterling likes this. I've always hated him too, but now I actually have sensible reasons.
Hey man, I think hating him just for being a creepy fat dude who became famous by eating sawdust bread sandwiches three times a day and going on TV to talk about it was perfectly sensible. I don't need Jan from Toyota to get caught selling meth for me to have valid reasons for wanting her launched into space.
Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah... woah...
Toyota Jan is a piece of shit
I'm not here to defend her or Toyota. You all can feel however you want. But she is hot.
It's not her looks that are repugnant.
AT&T girl is a whole different story. Yes.
If we're going to throw them all into a Thunderdome, don't forget the girl from Wendy's.
Now her I can't stand. Wouldn't touch her with Yeti's dick.
She sucks too. She's awful.
To be clear, the AT&T girl is very nice.
She played Gilfoyle's satanic girlfriend on Silicon Valley.
That is a sequence of words that makes sense to some people, I'm sure.
I am one such person and was very excited when I saw her appear.
And I thought the show was pretty hilarious.
I was more commenting on my own out-of-touch-Stewishness.
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Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
I have always hated that fat fuck Jared from Subway. In Indy it's common to see him hanging around downtown, especially at sporting events with his dorky friends. They get approached by people who are impressed by him. He's supposed to be promoting some healthy diet of bread and meat but every time I saw him he was fat and drunk and ugly as homemade sin.
I once saw him at a Colts game sitting in a section below mine. I was in the front row of the balcony at the old Hoosier/RCA Dump and he was in the front ass row with his crew of (child oggling) derelicts. People were yelling to him and he kept turning around to wave. At one perfectly calm moment, I yelled, "HEY JARED!" He turned around and looked right at me and I yelled, "GET A JOB!" Hilarity ensued.
I can't explain it but there was always something phony about him. His on-screen persona didn't mesh with his beer guzzling fat ass frat boy ways and actions. I always figured he would have been some sort of white collar thief if it weren't for his fame. But I didn't suspect this. He sickens me about as much as any human I've ever seen in real life.
Fuck him, fuck Subway, fuck the Colts.
Sterling likes this. I've always hated him too, but now I actually have sensible reasons.
Hey man, I think hating him just for being a creepy fat dude who became famous by eating sawdust bread sandwiches three times a day and going on TV to talk about it was perfectly sensible. I don't need Jan from Toyota to get caught selling meth for me to have valid reasons for wanting her launched into space.
Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah... woah...
Toyota Jan is a piece of shit
I'm not here to defend her or Toyota. You all can feel however you want. But she is hot.
It's not her looks that are repugnant.
AT&T girl is a whole different story. Yes.
If we're going to throw them all into a Thunderdome, don't forget the girl from Wendy's.
Now her I can't stand. Wouldn't touch her with Yeti's dick.
She sucks too. She's awful.
To be clear, the AT&T girl is very nice.
She played Gilfoyle's satanic girlfriend on Silicon Valley.
That is a sequence of words that makes sense to some people, I'm sure.
I am one such person and was very excited when I saw her appear.
And I thought the show was pretty hilarious.
I was more commenting on my own out-of-touch-Stewishness.
As I read through this thread I was thinking the exact same thing.
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I have always hated that fat fuck Jared from Subway. In Indy it's common to see him hanging around downtown, especially at sporting events with his dorky friends. They get approached by people who are impressed by him. He's supposed to be promoting some healthy diet of bread and meat but every time I saw him he was fat and drunk and ugly as homemade sin.
I once saw him at a Colts game sitting in a section below mine. I was in the front row of the balcony at the old Hoosier/RCA Dump and he was in the front ass row with his crew of (child oggling) derelicts. People were yelling to him and he kept turning around to wave. At one perfectly calm moment, I yelled, "HEY JARED!" He turned around and looked right at me and I yelled, "GET A JOB!" Hilarity ensued.
I can't explain it but there was always something phony about him. His on-screen persona didn't mesh with his beer guzzling fat ass frat boy ways and actions. I always figured he would have been some sort of white collar thief if it weren't for his fame. But I didn't suspect this. He sickens me about as much as any human I've ever seen in real life.
Fuck him, fuck Subway, fuck the Colts.
Sterling likes this. I've always hated him too, but now I actually have sensible reasons.
Hey man, I think hating him just for being a creepy fat dude who became famous by eating sawdust bread sandwiches three times a day and going on TV to talk about it was perfectly sensible. I don't need Jan from Toyota to get caught selling meth for me to have valid reasons for wanting her launched into space.
Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah... woah...
Toyota Jan is a piece of shit
I'm not here to defend her or Toyota. You all can feel however you want. But she is hot.
It's not her looks that are repugnant.
AT&T girl is a whole different story. Yes.
If we're going to throw them all into a Thunderdome, don't forget the girl from Wendy's.
Now her I can't stand. Wouldn't touch her with Yeti's dick.
She sucks too. She's awful.
To be clear, the AT&T girl is very nice.
She played Gilfoyle's satanic girlfriend on Silicon Valley.
That is a sequence of words that makes sense to some people, I'm sure.
I am one such person and was very excited when I saw her appear.
And I thought the show was pretty hilarious.
I was more commenting on my own out-of-touch-Stewishness.
As I read through this thread I was thinking the exact same thing.
Damn. I blew it. I should have written, "Funny. He doesn't look Stewish."
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Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
I have always hated that fat fuck Jared from Subway. In Indy it's common to see him hanging around downtown, especially at sporting events with his dorky friends. They get approached by people who are impressed by him. He's supposed to be promoting some healthy diet of bread and meat but every time I saw him he was fat and drunk and ugly as homemade sin.
I once saw him at a Colts game sitting in a section below mine. I was in the front row of the balcony at the old Hoosier/RCA Dump and he was in the front ass row with his crew of (child oggling) derelicts. People were yelling to him and he kept turning around to wave. At one perfectly calm moment, I yelled, "HEY JARED!" He turned around and looked right at me and I yelled, "GET A JOB!" Hilarity ensued.
I can't explain it but there was always something phony about him. His on-screen persona didn't mesh with his beer guzzling fat ass frat boy ways and actions. I always figured he would have been some sort of white collar thief if it weren't for his fame. But I didn't suspect this. He sickens me about as much as any human I've ever seen in real life.
Fuck him, fuck Subway, fuck the Colts.
Sterling likes this. I've always hated him too, but now I actually have sensible reasons.
Hey man, I think hating him just for being a creepy fat dude who became famous by eating sawdust bread sandwiches three times a day and going on TV to talk about it was perfectly sensible. I don't need Jan from Toyota to get caught selling meth for me to have valid reasons for wanting her launched into space.
Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah... woah...
Toyota Jan is a piece of shit
I'm not here to defend her or Toyota. You all can feel however you want. But she is hot.
It's not her looks that are repugnant.
AT&T girl is a whole different story. Yes.
If we're going to throw them all into a Thunderdome, don't forget the girl from Wendy's.
Now her I can't stand. Wouldn't touch her with Yeti's dick.
She sucks too. She's awful.
To be clear, the AT&T girl is very nice.
She played Gilfoyle's satanic girlfriend on Silicon Valley.
That is a sequence of words that makes sense to some people, I'm sure.
I am one such person and was very excited when I saw her appear.
And I thought the show was pretty hilarious.
I was more commenting on my own out-of-touch-Stewishness.
As I read through this thread I was thinking the exact same thing.
Damn. I blew it. I should have written, "Funny. He doesn't look Stewish."
I almost said that myself, but I figured why ruin Fork's chance.
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Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
I have always hated that fat fuck Jared from Subway. In Indy it's common to see him hanging around downtown, especially at sporting events with his dorky friends. They get approached by people who are impressed by him. He's supposed to be promoting some healthy diet of bread and meat but every time I saw him he was fat and drunk and ugly as homemade sin.
I once saw him at a Colts game sitting in a section below mine. I was in the front row of the balcony at the old Hoosier/RCA Dump and he was in the front ass row with his crew of (child oggling) derelicts. People were yelling to him and he kept turning around to wave. At one perfectly calm moment, I yelled, "HEY JARED!" He turned around and looked right at me and I yelled, "GET A JOB!" Hilarity ensued.
I can't explain it but there was always something phony about him. His on-screen persona didn't mesh with his beer guzzling fat ass frat boy ways and actions. I always figured he would have been some sort of white collar thief if it weren't for his fame. But I didn't suspect this. He sickens me about as much as any human I've ever seen in real life.
Fuck him, fuck Subway, fuck the Colts.
Sterling likes this. I've always hated him too, but now I actually have sensible reasons.
Hey man, I think hating him just for being a creepy fat dude who became famous by eating sawdust bread sandwiches three times a day and going on TV to talk about it was perfectly sensible. I don't need Jan from Toyota to get caught selling meth for me to have valid reasons for wanting her launched into space.
Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah... woah...
Toyota Jan is a piece of shit
I'm not here to defend her or Toyota. You all can feel however you want. But she is hot.
It's not her looks that are repugnant.
AT&T girl is a whole different story. Yes.
If we're going to throw them all into a Thunderdome, don't forget the girl from Wendy's.
Now her I can't stand. Wouldn't touch her with Yeti's dick.
She sucks too. She's awful.
To be clear, the AT&T girl is very nice.
She played Gilfoyle's satanic girlfriend on Silicon Valley.
That is a sequence of words that makes sense to some people, I'm sure.
Silicon Valley is a (really great) show. Gilfoyle is a character on said show. The AT&T girl plays his girlfriend in an episode. Her character is a practicing Satanist.
This is why it's relevant to the discussion at hand:
(http://i.imgur.com/0ApGAkq.jpg)
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Yeah, she's nice. Good talk, all. Good talk.
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Yeah, she's nice. Good talk, all. Good talk.
That only worked for me when I copypasta'd into my address bar, so I relinked it for you
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Yeah, she's nice. Good talk, all. Good talk.
That only worked for me when I copypasta'd into my address bar, so I relinked it for you
Whatever works. I feel it's important for us all to see it and agree that it is good.
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Yeah, she's nice. Good talk, all. Good talk.
That only worked for me when I copypasta'd into my address bar, so I relinked it for you
Whatever works. I feel it's important for us all to see it and agree that it is good.
They're large
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Yeah, she's nice. Good talk, all. Good talk.
That only worked for me when I copypasta'd into my address bar, so I relinked it for you
Whatever works. I feel it's important for us all to see it and agree that it is good.
They're large
Intrepid reader: Internet ChuckWaaaaaaaaaaay too fucking fat.
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
I have always hated that fat fuck Jared from Subway. In Indy it's common to see him hanging around downtown, especially at sporting events with his dorky friends. They get approached by people who are impressed by him. He's supposed to be promoting some healthy diet of bread and meat but every time I saw him he was fat and drunk and ugly as homemade sin.
I once saw him at a Colts game sitting in a section below mine. I was in the front row of the balcony at the old Hoosier/RCA Dump and he was in the front ass row with his crew of (child oggling) derelicts. People were yelling to him and he kept turning around to wave. At one perfectly calm moment, I yelled, "HEY JARED!" He turned around and looked right at me and I yelled, "GET A JOB!" Hilarity ensued.
I can't explain it but there was always something phony about him. His on-screen persona didn't mesh with his beer guzzling fat ass frat boy ways and actions. I always figured he would have been some sort of white collar thief if it weren't for his fame. But I didn't suspect this. He sickens me about as much as any human I've ever seen in real life.
Fuck him, fuck Subway, fuck the Colts.
Everything you said and more. It's the danger of having a spokesperson for your brand, especially someone famous specifically for your brand. "Toyota Jan" and "Flo" are characters played by actresses. Jared is himself. Patrick Kane might have been telling you to buy Chevrolets, but he's known as a hockey player. Jared Fogle was famous only for Subway, and when they decided to make him the centerpiece of their brand image, it's really hard to divorce the two. Subway must to have known about the creepy comments he made to others at their events. I have heard others from Indy describe Jared the same way as Apex did, and that should have been enough for Subway to say "Maybe we don't need this asshole selling our sandwiches."
Jared was "discovered" by
Indiana Daily Student reporter Ryan Coleman, who I knew from my days at the IDS. Ryan lived on the same floor as Jared their freshman year and then saw him three years later and didn't recognize him. When Jared said he just limited his diet to all-Subway all-the-time, Ryan wrote a feature on him for the paper. The original article (http://www.idsnews.com/article/1999/04/subway-jared-archive) glosses over the main reason he went to Subway: it was downstairs from his apartment.
As for Ryan Coleman, don't hold his Jared Fogle story against him. Even though I last saw him in 2005, Ryan's a good guy.
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Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
I have always hated that fat fuck Jared from Subway. In Indy it's common to see him hanging around downtown, especially at sporting events with his dorky friends. They get approached by people who are impressed by him. He's supposed to be promoting some healthy diet of bread and meat but every time I saw him he was fat and drunk and ugly as homemade sin.
I once saw him at a Colts game sitting in a section below mine. I was in the front row of the balcony at the old Hoosier/RCA Dump and he was in the front ass row with his crew of (child oggling) derelicts. People were yelling to him and he kept turning around to wave. At one perfectly calm moment, I yelled, "HEY JARED!" He turned around and looked right at me and I yelled, "GET A JOB!" Hilarity ensued.
I can't explain it but there was always something phony about him. His on-screen persona didn't mesh with his beer guzzling fat ass frat boy ways and actions. I always figured he would have been some sort of white collar thief if it weren't for his fame. But I didn't suspect this. He sickens me about as much as any human I've ever seen in real life.
Fuck him, fuck Subway, fuck the Colts.
Everything you said and more. It's the danger of having a spokesperson for your brand, especially someone famous specifically for your brand. "Toyota Jan" and "Flo" are characters played by actresses. Jared is himself. Patrick Kane might have been telling you to buy Chevrolets, but he's known as a hockey player. Jared Fogle was famous only for Subway, and when they decided to make him the centerpiece of their brand image, it's really hard to divorce the two. Subway must to have known about the creepy comments he made to others at their events. I have heard others from Indy describe Jared the same way as Apex did, and that should have been enough for Subway to say "Maybe we don't need this asshole selling our sandwiches."
Jared was "discovered" by Indiana Daily Student reporter Ryan Coleman, who I knew from my days at the IDS. Ryan lived on the same floor as Jared their freshman year and then saw him three years later and didn't recognize him. When Jared said he just limited his diet to all-Subway all-the-time, Ryan wrote a feature on him for the paper. The original article (http://www.idsnews.com/article/1999/04/subway-jared-archive) glosses over the main reason he went to Subway: it was downstairs from his apartment.
As for Ryan Coleman, don't hold his Jared Fogle story against him. Even though I last saw him in 2005, Ryan's a good guy.
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the B.S. Fogle
Accurate. What did he think of his story when Jared got rich and famous from it? Does he wish he'd found another feature for that assignment or that he'd toned down and genericized all the Subway references?
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Yeah, she's nice. Good talk, all. Good talk.
That only worked for me when I copypasta'd into my address bar, so I relinked it for you
Whatever works. I feel it's important for us all to see it and agree that it is good.
They're large
Quick GIS gets some NSFW selfies, if that's your thing.
So the Iowa Cubs had to play a 19 inning game last night. It was game one of the doubleheader. The second game started at 10 PM. One of the pitchers for the OKC Dodgers was called up from AA Tulsa while the first game was going on and he drove 100 miles from Tulsa to OKC to get there in time for game 2.
Given what we know about how shitty life in the minors can be, and the added depression of being a AAA player still in AAA on September 1st and thus aware that you've been deemed unworthy of even being on the expanded roster of the big league club, it feels downright cruel to make them play the doubleheader from hell on a Tuesday night in Oklahoma City.
Gleyber Torres was promoted to Myrtle Beach (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20150902&content_id=146947806&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb) for the playoffs.
Let's all welcome new Cubs prospect and potential Phillies target (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/09/three-needs-philadelphia-phillies.html) Dan Vogelsong to the organization. Congrats, Dan!
QuoteSo long as Howard remains with the club, they aren't evaluating new options on the major league roster. They could try to acquire a position-less, Quad-A power bat or even trade for a blocked prospect like Dan Vogelsong.
For whatever it's worth, Willson Contreras won the Southern League batting title, hitting .333/.413/.478/.891 on the year. Willing to bet he could be a nice trade piece this offseason as a catcher who can swing the bat. Teams always need those.
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For whatever it's worth, Willson Contreras won the Southern League batting title, hitting .333/.413/.478/.891 on the year. Willing to bet he could be a nice trade piece this offseason as a catcher who can swing the bat. Teams always need those.
And his name looks so much like Wellington Castillo that I can't wait for your "Epstink is terrible for trading a catcher who can hit" posts.
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Quote from: SKO on September 08, 2015, 10:26:27 AM
For whatever it's worth, Willson Contreras won the Southern League batting title, hitting .333/.413/.478/.891 on the year. Willing to bet he could be a nice trade piece this offseason as a catcher who can swing the bat. Teams always need those.
And his name looks so much like Wellington Castillo that I can't wait for your "Epstink is terrible for trading a catcher who can hit" posts.
It's Welington Castillo. He gave Willson his other L.
Quote from: SKO on September 08, 2015, 10:26:27 AM
For whatever it's worth, Willson Contreras won the Southern League batting title, hitting .333/.413/.478/.891 on the year. Willing to bet he could be a nice trade piece this offseason as a catcher who can swing the bat. Teams always need those.
Or, let's swee what he does in Iowa, just in case Schwarber doesn't develop into a catcher who is a defensive plus.
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Quote from: SKO on September 08, 2015, 10:26:27 AM
For whatever it's worth, Willson Contreras won the Southern League batting title, hitting .333/.413/.478/.891 on the year. Willing to bet he could be a nice trade piece this offseason as a catcher who can swing the bat. Teams always need those.
Or, let's swee what he does in Iowa, just in case Schwarber doesn't develop into a catcher who is a defensive plus.
If the return for him isn't good enough, sure, but if I wouldn't let that stop them from throwing him into the package for a good starting pitcher if he's what the other team is asking for. Montero is under contract for two more years and really Schwarber looks like he could figure it out within that time frame. No need to hoard a guy like Contreras if the price is right.
Myrtle Beach won the Carolina League championship with the same core group that won in Kane County last year.
Next year we get to see how all that pitching does in Tennessee.
So Almora finished the season .272/.327/.400/.727, hardly the stuff of his immediate studly predecessors, but certainly an indicator that he may still be useful yet, if his defense is as Andruw Jones-awesome as some have implied. Speaking of that I see that he also made 6 errors in the OF in 252 chances (2 in 180 in CF, from where he made 5 of his 6 assists, including 1 DP). Of course I learned from Javy Baez--who made 44 errors in 644 chances at SS in 2013 between High-A and AA but has clearly demonstrated he's a borderline defensive wizard at the major league level-- that trying to get a read on a player's minor-league defense based on traditional measures is probably a futile endeavor...leading me to ask any of you statfags who, if anybody, tracks the fancy-assed defensive metrics like UZR and such for minor league ball...
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Quote from: SKO on September 08, 2015, 10:26:27 AM
For whatever it's worth, Willson Contreras won the Southern League batting title, hitting .333/.413/.478/.891 on the year. Willing to bet he could be a nice trade piece this offseason as a catcher who can swing the bat. Teams always need those.
Or, let's swee what he does in Iowa, just in case Schwarber doesn't develop into a catcher who is a defensive plus.
If the return for him isn't good enough, sure, but if I wouldn't let that stop them from throwing him into the package for a good starting pitcher if he's what the other team is asking for. Montero is under contract for two more years and really Schwarber looks like he could figure it out within that time frame. No need to hoard a guy like Contreras if the price is right.
Montero is 32 years old, Ross is 96, and while we all hope Schwarber can continue to develop at catcher, I don't know that I'd bet on it happening. I'm a little puzzled at why you're in such a hurry to trade a guy in Contreras who by all accounts I've read is blossoming into a stud, when the Cubs don't exactly have Buster Posey locked in behind the plate for the next 5+ years.
If we're talking about a target like a Felix Hernandez, hell yes Contreras should be on the table, but I don't know that I'm willing to give him up for a merely "good" starting pitcher.
Quote from: R-V on September 18, 2015, 09:19:32 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 08, 2015, 03:58:25 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 08, 2015, 03:55:00 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 08, 2015, 10:26:27 AM
For whatever it's worth, Willson Contreras won the Southern League batting title, hitting .333/.413/.478/.891 on the year. Willing to bet he could be a nice trade piece this offseason as a catcher who can swing the bat. Teams always need those.
Or, let's swee what he does in Iowa, just in case Schwarber doesn't develop into a catcher who is a defensive plus.
If the return for him isn't good enough, sure, but if I wouldn't let that stop them from throwing him into the package for a good starting pitcher if he's what the other team is asking for. Montero is under contract for two more years and really Schwarber looks like he could figure it out within that time frame. No need to hoard a guy like Contreras if the price is right.
Montero is 32 years old, Ross is 96, and while we all hope Schwarber can continue to develop at catcher, I don't know that I'd bet on it happening. I'm a little puzzled at why you're in such a hurry to trade a guy in Contreras who by all accounts I've read is blossoming into a stud, when the Cubs don't exactly have Buster Posey locked in behind the plate for the next 5+ years.
If we're talking about a target like a Felix Hernandez, hell yes Contreras should be on the table, but I don't know that I'm willing to give him up for a merely "good" starting pitcher.
This is fair.
The 2016 Cubs should be world series contenders. Contreras isn't going to be a part of that, regardless. If you get a starting pitcher who increases your chances of winning a title in 2016 for Contreras, you move him. Sure, he's too high of a price for some Mike Leake type, but I'm guessing if Theo is trading for a guy it's a Ross/Carrasco type or better, so you can damn well bet I'm moving a catcher with one good year in the minors for that chance.
It helps that I honestly think with another offseason to work on it Schwarber can be an OK catcher.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/10/cubs-to-sign-eddy-julio-martinez.html Eddy Julio Martinez, who has drawn comps to Andruw Jones and has a 60+ grade on all five tools.
Quote from: SKO on October 08, 2015, 06:44:30 PM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/10/cubs-to-sign-eddy-julio-martinez.html Eddy Julio Martinez, who has drawn comps to Andruw Jones and has a 60+ grade on all five tools.
I have so many questions about this dude and the whole process since July, but lacking those answers...bonertime.
Big tip of the cat to McLeod.
Quote from: PenFoe on October 08, 2015, 07:22:56 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 08, 2015, 06:44:30 PM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/10/cubs-to-sign-eddy-julio-martinez.html Eddy Julio Martinez, who has drawn comps to Andruw Jones and has a 60+ grade on all five tools.
I have so many questions about this dude and the whole process since July, but lacking those answers...bonertime.
Big tip of the cat to McLeod.
Same here. No idea what went on, but I'm glad they swooped in and got him. $3 million is nothing for an MLB team.
From MLB Pipeline, just to refresh our memories:
QuoteEddy Julio Martinez (#4 of 30 on MLB Pipeline's 2015 IFA list)
Position: OF
Bats: R
Throws: R
Age: 20
DOB: 1/18/1995
Height: 6'2
Weight: 195 lb
Scouting grades: Hit: 60 | Power: 60 | Run: 70 | Arm: 60 | Field: 60
Think a young Andruw Jones. That's how some scouts have described the 20-year-old center fielder from Cuba. Evaluators like his body -- described as solid and compact -- and his athleticism. But there's a lot more to like.
In the batter's box, Martinez has a quick and compact power stroke. He's shown the ability to hit home runs to all fields and work the counts. He's speedy out of the box and shows base-stealing potential. Described as "hard-nosed," Martinez is aggressive and not afraid to take an extra-base.
Martinez has shown good instincts on defense and the ability to cover the gaps in the outfield. Those skills combined with a playable and accurate arm make scouts believe he will stay in center field and could be in the big leagues in after a couple of seasons in the Minor Leagues. Scouts also like that Martinez has experience playing for Cuba's junior national teams in Mexico and Venezuela and that he spent two seasons with Las Tunas in Cuba's Serie Nacional, the island's top league.
Martinez, who was declared a free agent by Major League Baseball in May, is eligible to sign. However, it is unclear if he will sign during the current international signing period or wait until the next period that begins on July 2. He is currently training in the Dominican Republic.
The Cubs, Yankees, Angels, Blue Jays, Nationals, Rockies, Tigers, Dodgers, Giants and White Sox are among the teams that have expressed serious interest in Martinez.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 08, 2015, 10:50:40 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 08, 2015, 07:22:56 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 08, 2015, 06:44:30 PM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/10/cubs-to-sign-eddy-julio-martinez.html Eddy Julio Martinez, who has drawn comps to Andruw Jones and has a 60+ grade on all five tools.
I have so many questions about this dude and the whole process since July, but lacking those answers...bonertime.
Big tip of the cat to McLeod.
Same here. No idea what went on, but I'm glad they swooped in and got him. $3 million is nothing for an MLB team.
From MLB Pipeline, just to refresh our memories:
QuoteEddy Julio Martinez (#4 of 30 on MLB Pipeline's 2015 IFA list)
Position: OF
Bats: R
Throws: R
Age: 20
DOB: 1/18/1995
Height: 6'2
Weight: 195 lb
Scouting grades: Hit: 60 | Power: 60 | Run: 70 | Arm: 60 | Field: 60
Think a young Andruw Jones. That's how some scouts have described the 20-year-old center fielder from Cuba. Evaluators like his body -- described as solid and compact -- and his athleticism. But there's a lot more to like.
In the batter's box, Martinez has a quick and compact power stroke. He's shown the ability to hit home runs to all fields and work the counts. He's speedy out of the box and shows base-stealing potential. Described as "hard-nosed," Martinez is aggressive and not afraid to take an extra-base.
Martinez has shown good instincts on defense and the ability to cover the gaps in the outfield. Those skills combined with a playable and accurate arm make scouts believe he will stay in center field and could be in the big leagues in after a couple of seasons in the Minor Leagues. Scouts also like that Martinez has experience playing for Cuba's junior national teams in Mexico and Venezuela and that he spent two seasons with Las Tunas in Cuba's Serie Nacional, the island's top league.
Martinez, who was declared a free agent by Major League Baseball in May, is eligible to sign. However, it is unclear if he will sign during the current international signing period or wait until the next period that begins on July 2. He is currently training in the Dominican Republic.
The Cubs, Yankees, Angels, Blue Jays, Nationals, Rockies, Tigers, Dodgers, Giants and White Sox are among the teams that have expressed serious interest in Martinez.
What's his BMI? Asking for a friend.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 08, 2015, 10:57:45 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 08, 2015, 10:50:40 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on October 08, 2015, 07:22:56 PM
Quote from: SKO on October 08, 2015, 06:44:30 PM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/10/cubs-to-sign-eddy-julio-martinez.html Eddy Julio Martinez, who has drawn comps to Andruw Jones and has a 60+ grade on all five tools.
I have so many questions about this dude and the whole process since July, but lacking those answers...bonertime.
Big tip of the cat to McLeod.
Same here. No idea what went on, but I'm glad they swooped in and got him. $3 million is nothing for an MLB team.
From MLB Pipeline, just to refresh our memories:
QuoteEddy Julio Martinez (#4 of 30 on MLB Pipeline's 2015 IFA list)
Position: OF
Bats: R
Throws: R
Age: 20
DOB: 1/18/1995
Height: 6'2
Weight: 195 lb
Scouting grades: Hit: 60 | Power: 60 | Run: 70 | Arm: 60 | Field: 60
Think a young Andruw Jones. That's how some scouts have described the 20-year-old center fielder from Cuba. Evaluators like his body -- described as solid and compact -- and his athleticism. But there's a lot more to like.
In the batter's box, Martinez has a quick and compact power stroke. He's shown the ability to hit home runs to all fields and work the counts. He's speedy out of the box and shows base-stealing potential. Described as "hard-nosed," Martinez is aggressive and not afraid to take an extra-base.
Martinez has shown good instincts on defense and the ability to cover the gaps in the outfield. Those skills combined with a playable and accurate arm make scouts believe he will stay in center field and could be in the big leagues in after a couple of seasons in the Minor Leagues. Scouts also like that Martinez has experience playing for Cuba's junior national teams in Mexico and Venezuela and that he spent two seasons with Las Tunas in Cuba's Serie Nacional, the island's top league.
Martinez, who was declared a free agent by Major League Baseball in May, is eligible to sign. However, it is unclear if he will sign during the current international signing period or wait until the next period that begins on July 2. He is currently training in the Dominican Republic.
The Cubs, Yankees, Angels, Blue Jays, Nationals, Rockies, Tigers, Dodgers, Giants and White Sox are among the teams that have expressed serious interest in Martinez.
What's his BMI? Asking for a friend.
25.0.
2 FAT 4 CF. 2 FAT 2 TIP CAT.
In all seriousness, where will the Cubs break him in? Tennessee seems like the logical spot given his age.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 09, 2015, 11:10:08 AM
In all seriousness, where will the Cubs break him in? Tennessee seems like the logical spot given his age.
That'd be awfully aggressive. I think A or maybe A+ would be a better initial starting point. Wouldn't surprise me to even see him start in Arizona and then go to Eugene.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 09, 2015, 11:10:08 AM
In all seriousness, where will the Cubs break him in? Tennessee seems like the logical spot given his age.
This is my own speculation but he might need extended spring training to get back up to speed. It's likely too late to get him into Fall League for some ABs. If he has a good spring I'd assign him to South Bend, or Eugene if he stays in XST. Like Eli said, Tennessee is probably way too aggressive.
Just to add on, not even 22- and 23-year-old draftees go straight to Tennessee. XST is probably the best way to get him inculcated in The Cubs Way crash course before an affiliate assignment, too.
The elusive TPD. Now that I think about it, he's already in the Dominican. Betting he goes to Winter Ball somewhere before they bring him stateside.
Hmmm....
QuoteTODAY: MLB.com's Jesse Sanchez reports some additional details on the situation. San Francisco's claim to a signing is based upon "a series of texts and emails" that were exchanged with BHSC. The Giants filed paperwork with the league, per the report, but it appears that Martinez has yet to sign anything with the club. Chicago, meanwhile, struck its deal with Martinez's Dominican representatives.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 15, 2015, 11:37:22 PM
Hmmm....
QuoteTODAY: MLB.com's Jesse Sanchez reports some additional details on the situation. San Francisco's claim to a signing is based upon "a series of texts and emails" that were exchanged with BHSC. The Giants filed paperwork with the league, per the report, but it appears that Martinez has yet to sign anything with the club. Chicago, meanwhile, struck its deal with Martinez's Dominican representatives.
Baseball America calling Eddy Julio to the Cubs official. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/minor-league-transactions-oct-10-16-2/)
Quote
The Giants had worked out a minor league deal with 20-year-old Cuban outfielder Eddy Julio Martinez on Oct. 4, only to see the agreement scuttled for financial reasons. The Cubs swooped in and signed him for a $3 million bonus, when San Francisco had agreed to go as high as $2.5 million. You can read more about the righthanded-hitting Martinez here, courtesy of Ben Badler.
Also, Jesse staying strong.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/992/7158158308.jpg)
Looks like Jeimer Candelario (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&sid=l119&cid=555) is the scourge of Arizona.
He's another of those guys who has been working his way up through the Cubs' farm system for so long it's easy to forget he doesn't turn 22 until next month.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 28, 2015, 10:31:17 AM
Looks like Jeimer Candelario (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&sid=l119&cid=555) is the scourge of Arizona.
He's another of those guys who has been working his way up through the Cubs' farm system for so long it's easy to forget he doesn't turn 22 until next month.
He also had a really run in the the half of the year with Tennessee. There's really nowhere for him to go in the organization though, so maybe he'll get some sort of trade-value boost with the AFL performance.
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2015, 10:45:38 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 28, 2015, 10:31:17 AM
Looks like Jeimer Candelario (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&sid=l119&cid=555) is the scourge of Arizona.
He's another of those guys who has been working his way up through the Cubs' farm system for so long it's easy to forget he doesn't turn 22 until next month.
He also had a really run in the the half of the year with Tennessee. There's really nowhere for him to go in the organization though, so maybe he'll get some sort of trade-value boost with the AFL performance.
Speaking of guys with nowhere to go, does Christian Villanueva still have any value? I recall that he is a very-good-to-great defensive 3B, but his .751 OPS in his age 24 season at Iowa didn't exactly set the world on fire.
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2015, 10:45:38 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 28, 2015, 10:31:17 AM
Looks like Jeimer Candelario (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&sid=l119&cid=555) is the scourge of Arizona.
He's another of those guys who has been working his way up through the Cubs' farm system for so long it's easy to forget he doesn't turn 22 until next month.
He also had a really run in the the half of the year with Tennessee. There's really nowhere for him to go in the organization though, so maybe he'll get some sort of trade-value boost with the AFL performance.
Is that some sort of sponsored 5K?
Quote from: R-V on October 28, 2015, 10:54:15 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2015, 10:45:38 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 28, 2015, 10:31:17 AM
Looks like Jeimer Candelario (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&sid=l119&cid=555) is the scourge of Arizona.
He's another of those guys who has been working his way up through the Cubs' farm system for so long it's easy to forget he doesn't turn 22 until next month.
He also had a really run in the the half of the year with Tennessee. There's really nowhere for him to go in the organization though, so maybe he'll get some sort of trade-value boost with the AFL performance.
Speaking of guys with nowhere to go, does Christian Villanueva still have any value? I recall that he is a very-good-to-great defensive 3B, but his .751 OPS in his age 24 season at Iowa didn't exactly set the world on fire.
Yeah, he's not much of a prospect anymore.
I also just remembered that Candelario is a Rule V guy this December, along with Pierce Johnson, Vogelbach and a few other guys who aren't complete scrubs. Interesting to see what they'll do with that (if anything).
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2015, 11:03:35 AM
Quote from: R-V on October 28, 2015, 10:54:15 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2015, 10:45:38 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 28, 2015, 10:31:17 AM
Looks like Jeimer Candelario (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&sid=l119&cid=555) is the scourge of Arizona.
He's another of those guys who has been working his way up through the Cubs' farm system for so long it's easy to forget he doesn't turn 22 until next month.
He also had a really run in the the half of the year with Tennessee. There's really nowhere for him to go in the organization though, so maybe he'll get some sort of trade-value boost with the AFL performance.
Speaking of guys with nowhere to go, does Christian Villanueva still have any value? I recall that he is a very-good-to-great defensive 3B, but his .751 OPS in his age 24 season at Iowa didn't exactly set the world on fire.
Yeah, he's not much of a prospect anymore.
I also just remembered that Candelario is a Rule V guy this December, along with Pierce Johnson, Vogelbach and a few other guys who aren't complete scrubs. Interesting to see what they'll do with that (if anything).
Can't see any team putting those guys on their MLB roster.
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2015, 11:03:35 AM
Quote from: R-V on October 28, 2015, 10:54:15 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2015, 10:45:38 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 28, 2015, 10:31:17 AM
Looks like Jeimer Candelario (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&sid=l119&cid=555) is the scourge of Arizona.
He's another of those guys who has been working his way up through the Cubs' farm system for so long it's easy to forget he doesn't turn 22 until next month.
He also had a really run in the the half of the year with Tennessee. There's really nowhere for him to go in the organization though, so maybe he'll get some sort of trade-value boost with the AFL performance.
Speaking of guys with nowhere to go, does Christian Villanueva still have any value? I recall that he is a very-good-to-great defensive 3B, but his .751 OPS in his age 24 season at Iowa didn't exactly set the world on fire.
Yeah, he's not much of a prospect anymore.
I also just remembered that Candelario is a Rule V guy this December, along with Pierce Johnson, Vogelbach and a few other guys who aren't complete scrubs. Interesting to see what they'll do with that (if anything).
You got a good list of those somewhere? Or a link to the list?
Quote from: Oleg on October 28, 2015, 11:25:12 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2015, 11:03:35 AM
Quote from: R-V on October 28, 2015, 10:54:15 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2015, 10:45:38 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 28, 2015, 10:31:17 AM
Looks like Jeimer Candelario (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&sid=l119&cid=555) is the scourge of Arizona.
He's another of those guys who has been working his way up through the Cubs' farm system for so long it's easy to forget he doesn't turn 22 until next month.
He also had a really run in the the half of the year with Tennessee. There's really nowhere for him to go in the organization though, so maybe he'll get some sort of trade-value boost with the AFL performance.
Speaking of guys with nowhere to go, does Christian Villanueva still have any value? I recall that he is a very-good-to-great defensive 3B, but his .751 OPS in his age 24 season at Iowa didn't exactly set the world on fire.
Yeah, he's not much of a prospect anymore.
I also just remembered that Candelario is a Rule V guy this December, along with Pierce Johnson, Vogelbach and a few other guys who aren't complete scrubs. Interesting to see what they'll do with that (if anything).
You got a good list of those somewhere? Or a link to the list?
http://www.thecubreporter.com/book/export/html/3518
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2015, 12:05:03 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 28, 2015, 11:25:12 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2015, 11:03:35 AM
Quote from: R-V on October 28, 2015, 10:54:15 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2015, 10:45:38 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 28, 2015, 10:31:17 AM
Looks like Jeimer Candelario (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&sid=l119&cid=555) is the scourge of Arizona.
He's another of those guys who has been working his way up through the Cubs' farm system for so long it's easy to forget he doesn't turn 22 until next month.
He also had a really run in the the half of the year with Tennessee. There's really nowhere for him to go in the organization though, so maybe he'll get some sort of trade-value boost with the AFL performance.
Speaking of guys with nowhere to go, does Christian Villanueva still have any value? I recall that he is a very-good-to-great defensive 3B, but his .751 OPS in his age 24 season at Iowa didn't exactly set the world on fire.
Yeah, he's not much of a prospect anymore.
I also just remembered that Candelario is a Rule V guy this December, along with Pierce Johnson, Vogelbach and a few other guys who aren't complete scrubs. Interesting to see what they'll do with that (if anything).
You got a good list of those somewhere? Or a link to the list?
http://www.thecubreporter.com/book/export/html/3518
Holy crap, remember when Dillon Maples was a thing?
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 28, 2015, 12:47:59 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2015, 12:05:03 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 28, 2015, 11:25:12 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2015, 11:03:35 AM
Quote from: R-V on October 28, 2015, 10:54:15 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2015, 10:45:38 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 28, 2015, 10:31:17 AM
Looks like Jeimer Candelario (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&sid=l119&cid=555) is the scourge of Arizona.
He's another of those guys who has been working his way up through the Cubs' farm system for so long it's easy to forget he doesn't turn 22 until next month.
He also had a really run in the the half of the year with Tennessee. There's really nowhere for him to go in the organization though, so maybe he'll get some sort of trade-value boost with the AFL performance.
Speaking of guys with nowhere to go, does Christian Villanueva still have any value? I recall that he is a very-good-to-great defensive 3B, but his .751 OPS in his age 24 season at Iowa didn't exactly set the world on fire.
Yeah, he's not much of a prospect anymore.
I also just remembered that Candelario is a Rule V guy this December, along with Pierce Johnson, Vogelbach and a few other guys who aren't complete scrubs. Interesting to see what they'll do with that (if anything).
You got a good list of those somewhere? Or a link to the list?
http://www.thecubreporter.com/book/export/html/3518
Holy crap, remember when Dillon Maples was a thing?
I only recall you touting him. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8211.msg258371#msg258371)
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 28, 2015, 12:47:59 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2015, 12:05:03 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 28, 2015, 11:25:12 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2015, 11:03:35 AM
Quote from: R-V on October 28, 2015, 10:54:15 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2015, 10:45:38 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 28, 2015, 10:31:17 AM
Looks like Jeimer Candelario (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&sid=l119&cid=555) is the scourge of Arizona.
He's another of those guys who has been working his way up through the Cubs' farm system for so long it's easy to forget he doesn't turn 22 until next month.
He also had a really run in the the half of the year with Tennessee. There's really nowhere for him to go in the organization though, so maybe he'll get some sort of trade-value boost with the AFL performance.
Speaking of guys with nowhere to go, does Christian Villanueva still have any value? I recall that he is a very-good-to-great defensive 3B, but his .751 OPS in his age 24 season at Iowa didn't exactly set the world on fire.
Yeah, he's not much of a prospect anymore.
I also just remembered that Candelario is a Rule V guy this December, along with Pierce Johnson, Vogelbach and a few other guys who aren't complete scrubs. Interesting to see what they'll do with that (if anything).
You got a good list of those somewhere? Or a link to the list?
http://www.thecubreporter.com/book/export/html/3518
Holy crap, remember when Dillon Maples was a thing?
We've been over this. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8211.msg287051#msg287051)
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2015, 01:07:06 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 28, 2015, 12:47:59 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2015, 12:05:03 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 28, 2015, 11:25:12 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2015, 11:03:35 AM
Quote from: R-V on October 28, 2015, 10:54:15 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2015, 10:45:38 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 28, 2015, 10:31:17 AM
Looks like Jeimer Candelario (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&sid=l119&cid=555) is the scourge of Arizona.
He's another of those guys who has been working his way up through the Cubs' farm system for so long it's easy to forget he doesn't turn 22 until next month.
He also had a really run in the the half of the year with Tennessee. There's really nowhere for him to go in the organization though, so maybe he'll get some sort of trade-value boost with the AFL performance.
Speaking of guys with nowhere to go, does Christian Villanueva still have any value? I recall that he is a very-good-to-great defensive 3B, but his .751 OPS in his age 24 season at Iowa didn't exactly set the world on fire.
Yeah, he's not much of a prospect anymore.
I also just remembered that Candelario is a Rule V guy this December, along with Pierce Johnson, Vogelbach and a few other guys who aren't complete scrubs. Interesting to see what they'll do with that (if anything).
You got a good list of those somewhere? Or a link to the list?
http://www.thecubreporter.com/book/export/html/3518
Holy crap, remember when Dillon Maples was a thing?
We've been over this. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8211.msg287051#msg287051)
Anybody remember when we didn't remember Dillon Maples was a thing?
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 28, 2015, 01:29:58 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2015, 01:07:06 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 28, 2015, 12:47:59 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2015, 12:05:03 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 28, 2015, 11:25:12 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2015, 11:03:35 AM
Quote from: R-V on October 28, 2015, 10:54:15 AM
Quote from: Eli on October 28, 2015, 10:45:38 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 28, 2015, 10:31:17 AM
Looks like Jeimer Candelario (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&sid=l119&cid=555) is the scourge of Arizona.
He's another of those guys who has been working his way up through the Cubs' farm system for so long it's easy to forget he doesn't turn 22 until next month.
He also had a really run in the the half of the year with Tennessee. There's really nowhere for him to go in the organization though, so maybe he'll get some sort of trade-value boost with the AFL performance.
Speaking of guys with nowhere to go, does Christian Villanueva still have any value? I recall that he is a very-good-to-great defensive 3B, but his .751 OPS in his age 24 season at Iowa didn't exactly set the world on fire.
Yeah, he's not much of a prospect anymore.
I also just remembered that Candelario is a Rule V guy this December, along with Pierce Johnson, Vogelbach and a few other guys who aren't complete scrubs. Interesting to see what they'll do with that (if anything).
You got a good list of those somewhere? Or a link to the list?
http://www.thecubreporter.com/book/export/html/3518
Holy crap, remember when Dillon Maples was a thing?
We've been over this. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8211.msg287051#msg287051)
Anybody remember when we didn't remember Dillon Maples was a thing?
*raises hand*
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 16, 2012, 08:06:15 AM
Jackson and Vitters are overmatched in Chicago, at least for now.
Baez, Soler and Almora are raking the ever loving shit out of A ball pitching.
Matt Szczur got moved up to AA, where he's still not showing good numbers, but they've been improving.
Dillon Maples is getting started in Arizona, and he's looking overpowering in a small sample size.
For those who actually get to see some of these guys in action, have at it.
Nice
Quote from: Slaky on October 28, 2015, 04:13:26 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 16, 2012, 08:06:15 AM
Jackson and Vitters are overmatched in Chicago, at least for now.
Baez, Soler and Almora are raking the ever loving shit out of A ball pitching.
Matt Szczur got moved up to AA, where he's still not showing good numbers, but they've been improving.
Dillon Maples is getting started in Arizona, and he's looking overpowering in a small sample size.
For those who actually get to see some of these guys in action, have at it.
Nice
There was a time Maples was rated a top prospect (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2012/2612580.html).
What a fucking dog show the minors used to be.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 28, 2015, 04:34:25 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 28, 2015, 04:13:26 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 16, 2012, 08:06:15 AM
Jackson and Vitters are overmatched in Chicago, at least for now.
Baez, Soler and Almora are raking the ever loving shit out of A ball pitching.
Matt Szczur got moved up to AA, where he's still not showing good numbers, but they've been improving.
Dillon Maples is getting started in Arizona, and he's looking overpowering in a small sample size.
For those who actually get to see some of these guys in action, have at it.
Nice
There was a time Maples was rated a top prospect (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2012/2612580.html).
What a fucking dog show the minors used to be.
He's still got a top-rated porn name.
Quote from: InternetApex on October 28, 2015, 09:25:23 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 28, 2015, 04:34:25 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 28, 2015, 04:13:26 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 16, 2012, 08:06:15 AM
Jackson and Vitters are overmatched in Chicago, at least for now.
Baez, Soler and Almora are raking the ever loving shit out of A ball pitching.
Matt Szczur got moved up to AA, where he's still not showing good numbers, but they've been improving.
Dillon Maples is getting started in Arizona, and he's looking overpowering in a small sample size.
For those who actually get to see some of these guys in action, have at it.
Nice
There was a time Maples was rated a top prospect (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2012/2612580.html).
What a fucking dog show the minors used to be.
He's still got a top-rated porn name.
(pours some out for Rock Shoulders)
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 29, 2015, 08:32:44 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on October 28, 2015, 09:25:23 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 28, 2015, 04:34:25 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 28, 2015, 04:13:26 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 16, 2012, 08:06:15 AM
Jackson and Vitters are overmatched in Chicago, at least for now.
Baez, Soler and Almora are raking the ever loving shit out of A ball pitching.
Matt Szczur got moved up to AA, where he's still not showing good numbers, but they've been improving.
Dillon Maples is getting started in Arizona, and he's looking overpowering in a small sample size.
For those who actually get to see some of these guys in action, have at it.
Nice
There was a time Maples was rated a top prospect (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2012/2612580.html).
What a fucking dog show the minors used to be.
He's still got a top-rated porn name.
(pours some out for Rock Shoulders)
(Adds a dram for Rocky Cherry)
Quote from: Bort on October 29, 2015, 09:14:50 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 29, 2015, 08:32:44 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on October 28, 2015, 09:25:23 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 28, 2015, 04:34:25 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 28, 2015, 04:13:26 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 16, 2012, 08:06:15 AM
Jackson and Vitters are overmatched in Chicago, at least for now.
Baez, Soler and Almora are raking the ever loving shit out of A ball pitching.
Matt Szczur got moved up to AA, where he's still not showing good numbers, but they've been improving.
Dillon Maples is getting started in Arizona, and he's looking overpowering in a small sample size.
For those who actually get to see some of these guys in action, have at it.
Nice
There was a time Maples was rated a top prospect (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2012/2612580.html).
What a fucking dog show the minors used to be.
He's still got a top-rated porn name.
(pours some out for Rock Shoulders)
(Adds a dram for Rocky Cherry)
(points and laughs at Lance Broadway)
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 28, 2015, 04:34:25 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 28, 2015, 04:13:26 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 16, 2012, 08:06:15 AM
Jackson and Vitters are overmatched in Chicago, at least for now.
Baez, Soler and Almora are raking the ever loving shit out of A ball pitching.
Matt Szczur got moved up to AA, where he's still not showing good numbers, but they've been improving.
Dillon Maples is getting started in Arizona, and he's looking overpowering in a small sample size.
For those who actually get to see some of these guys in action, have at it.
Nice
There was a time Maples was rated a top prospect (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2012/2612580.html).
What a fucking dog show the minors used to be.
The best part of that top-10 list is reading about the new front office.
Quote from: Oleg on October 29, 2015, 12:30:52 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 28, 2015, 04:34:25 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 28, 2015, 04:13:26 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 16, 2012, 08:06:15 AM
Jackson and Vitters are overmatched in Chicago, at least for now.
Baez, Soler and Almora are raking the ever loving shit out of A ball pitching.
Matt Szczur got moved up to AA, where he's still not showing good numbers, but they've been improving.
Dillon Maples is getting started in Arizona, and he's looking overpowering in a small sample size.
For those who actually get to see some of these guys in action, have at it.
Nice
There was a time Maples was rated a top prospect (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2012/2612580.html).
What a fucking dog show the minors used to be.
The best part of that top-10 list is reading about the new front office.
Quote
PROJECTED 2015 LINEUP
Catcher: Geovany Soto
First Base: Dan Vogelbach
Second Base: Zeke DeVoss
Third Base: Javier Baez
Shortstop: Starlin Castro
Left Field: Josh Vitters
Center Field: Matt Szczur
Right Field: Brett Jackson
No. 1 Starter: Matt Garza
No. 2 Starter: Andrew Cashner
No. 3 Starter: Trey McNutt
No. 4 Starter: Dillon Maples
No. 5 Starter: Dae-Eun Rhee
Closer: Carlos Marmol
Nailed it.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 29, 2015, 01:58:50 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 29, 2015, 12:30:52 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 28, 2015, 04:34:25 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 28, 2015, 04:13:26 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 16, 2012, 08:06:15 AM
Jackson and Vitters are overmatched in Chicago, at least for now.
Baez, Soler and Almora are raking the ever loving shit out of A ball pitching.
Matt Szczur got moved up to AA, where he's still not showing good numbers, but they've been improving.
Dillon Maples is getting started in Arizona, and he's looking overpowering in a small sample size.
For those who actually get to see some of these guys in action, have at it.
Nice
There was a time Maples was rated a top prospect (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2012/2612580.html).
What a fucking dog show the minors used to be.
The best part of that top-10 list is reading about the new front office.
Quote
PROJECTED 2015 LINEUP
Catcher: Geovany Soto
First Base: Dan Vogelbach
Second Base: Zeke DeVoss
Third Base: Javier Baez
Shortstop: Starlin Castro
Left Field: Josh Vitters
Center Field: Matt Szczur
Right Field: Brett Jackson
No. 1 Starter: Matt Garza
No. 2 Starter: Andrew Cashner
No. 3 Starter: Trey McNutt
No. 4 Starter: Dillon Maples
No. 5 Starter: Dae-Eun Rhee
Closer: Carlos Marmol
Nailed it.
I wish there were an alternate universe where we could just see how many games that team would have won this year. Like, 40? Maybe?
Quote from: Eli on October 29, 2015, 02:05:36 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 29, 2015, 01:58:50 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 29, 2015, 12:30:52 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 28, 2015, 04:34:25 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 28, 2015, 04:13:26 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 16, 2012, 08:06:15 AM
Jackson and Vitters are overmatched in Chicago, at least for now.
Baez, Soler and Almora are raking the ever loving shit out of A ball pitching.
Matt Szczur got moved up to AA, where he's still not showing good numbers, but they've been improving.
Dillon Maples is getting started in Arizona, and he's looking overpowering in a small sample size.
For those who actually get to see some of these guys in action, have at it.
Nice
There was a time Maples was rated a top prospect (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2012/2612580.html).
What a fucking dog show the minors used to be.
The best part of that top-10 list is reading about the new front office.
Quote
PROJECTED 2015 LINEUP
Catcher: Geovany Soto
First Base: Dan Vogelbach
Second Base: Zeke DeVoss
Third Base: Javier Baez
Shortstop: Starlin Castro
Left Field: Josh Vitters
Center Field: Matt Szczur
Right Field: Brett Jackson
No. 1 Starter: Matt Garza
No. 2 Starter: Andrew Cashner
No. 3 Starter: Trey McNutt
No. 4 Starter: Dillon Maples
No. 5 Starter: Dae-Eun Rhee
Closer: Carlos Marmol
Nailed it.
I wish there were an alternate universe where we could just see how many games that team would have won this year. Like, 40? Maybe?
I consider myself to be a pretty well-informed Cubs fan and I have no fucking clue who Zeke DeVoss is/was.
Quote from: R-V on October 29, 2015, 02:34:29 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 29, 2015, 02:05:36 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 29, 2015, 01:58:50 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 29, 2015, 12:30:52 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 28, 2015, 04:34:25 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 28, 2015, 04:13:26 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 16, 2012, 08:06:15 AM
Jackson and Vitters are overmatched in Chicago, at least for now.
Baez, Soler and Almora are raking the ever loving shit out of A ball pitching.
Matt Szczur got moved up to AA, where he's still not showing good numbers, but they've been improving.
Dillon Maples is getting started in Arizona, and he's looking overpowering in a small sample size.
For those who actually get to see some of these guys in action, have at it.
Nice
There was a time Maples was rated a top prospect (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2012/2612580.html).
What a fucking dog show the minors used to be.
The best part of that top-10 list is reading about the new front office.
Quote
PROJECTED 2015 LINEUP
Catcher: Geovany Soto
First Base: Dan Vogelbach
Second Base: Zeke DeVoss
Third Base: Javier Baez
Shortstop: Starlin Castro
Left Field: Josh Vitters
Center Field: Matt Szczur
Right Field: Brett Jackson
No. 1 Starter: Matt Garza
No. 2 Starter: Andrew Cashner
No. 3 Starter: Trey McNutt
No. 4 Starter: Dillon Maples
No. 5 Starter: Dae-Eun Rhee
Closer: Carlos Marmol
Nailed it.
I wish there were an alternate universe where we could just see how many games that team would have won this year. Like, 40? Maybe?
I consider myself to be a pretty well-informed Cubs fan and I have no fucking clue who Zeke DeVoss is/was.
Same, I had heard of Dae-Eun Rhee and Trey McNutt, but knew nothing else about them and since this was the Hendry farm system I assumed they were 5'8" middle infielders.
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2015, 02:36:27 PM
Quote from: R-V on October 29, 2015, 02:34:29 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 29, 2015, 02:05:36 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 29, 2015, 01:58:50 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 29, 2015, 12:30:52 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 28, 2015, 04:34:25 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 28, 2015, 04:13:26 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 16, 2012, 08:06:15 AM
Jackson and Vitters are overmatched in Chicago, at least for now.
Baez, Soler and Almora are raking the ever loving shit out of A ball pitching.
Matt Szczur got moved up to AA, where he's still not showing good numbers, but they've been improving.
Dillon Maples is getting started in Arizona, and he's looking overpowering in a small sample size.
For those who actually get to see some of these guys in action, have at it.
Nice
There was a time Maples was rated a top prospect (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2012/2612580.html).
What a fucking dog show the minors used to be.
The best part of that top-10 list is reading about the new front office.
Quote
PROJECTED 2015 LINEUP
Catcher: Geovany Soto
First Base: Dan Vogelbach
Second Base: Zeke DeVoss
Third Base: Javier Baez
Shortstop: Starlin Castro
Left Field: Josh Vitters
Center Field: Matt Szczur
Right Field: Brett Jackson
No. 1 Starter: Matt Garza
No. 2 Starter: Andrew Cashner
No. 3 Starter: Trey McNutt
No. 4 Starter: Dillon Maples
No. 5 Starter: Dae-Eun Rhee
Closer: Carlos Marmol
Nailed it.
I wish there were an alternate universe where we could just see how many games that team would have won this year. Like, 40? Maybe?
I consider myself to be a pretty well-informed Cubs fan and I have no fucking clue who Zeke DeVoss is/was.
Same, I had heard of Dae-Eun Rhee and Trey McNutt, but knew nothing else about them and since this was the Hendry farm system I assumed they were 5'8" middle infielders.
I got all the rest of them, but who was that guy "Starlin Castro"?
Quote from: SKO on October 29, 2015, 02:36:27 PM
Quote from: R-V on October 29, 2015, 02:34:29 PM
Quote from: Eli on October 29, 2015, 02:05:36 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 29, 2015, 01:58:50 PM
Quote from: Oleg on October 29, 2015, 12:30:52 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 28, 2015, 04:34:25 PM
Quote from: Slaky on October 28, 2015, 04:13:26 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 16, 2012, 08:06:15 AM
Jackson and Vitters are overmatched in Chicago, at least for now.
Baez, Soler and Almora are raking the ever loving shit out of A ball pitching.
Matt Szczur got moved up to AA, where he's still not showing good numbers, but they've been improving.
Dillon Maples is getting started in Arizona, and he's looking overpowering in a small sample size.
For those who actually get to see some of these guys in action, have at it.
Nice
There was a time Maples was rated a top prospect (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2012/2612580.html).
What a fucking dog show the minors used to be.
The best part of that top-10 list is reading about the new front office.
Quote
PROJECTED 2015 LINEUP
Catcher: Geovany Soto
First Base: Dan Vogelbach
Second Base: Zeke DeVoss
Third Base: Javier Baez
Shortstop: Starlin Castro
Left Field: Josh Vitters
Center Field: Matt Szczur
Right Field: Brett Jackson
No. 1 Starter: Matt Garza
No. 2 Starter: Andrew Cashner
No. 3 Starter: Trey McNutt
No. 4 Starter: Dillon Maples
No. 5 Starter: Dae-Eun Rhee
Closer: Carlos Marmol
Nailed it.
I wish there were an alternate universe where we could just see how many games that team would have won this year. Like, 40? Maybe?
I consider myself to be a pretty well-informed Cubs fan and I have no fucking clue who Zeke DeVoss is/was.
Same, I had heard of Dae-Eun Rhee and Trey McNutt, but knew nothing else about them and since this was the Hendry farm system I assumed they were 5'8" middle infielders.
Thirded.
I don't even want to look him to try and refresh my memory.
I've quite literally never heard of him.
Couple things from this. (http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/157353532)..
1) Did other people here know Ian Happ's dad just died 3 weeks ago? That sucks.
2) I'm not exactly thrilled with Jed's "Jed Lowrie with more power" comp for Happ. Doesn't Jed Lowrie suck? Is Jed Hoyer just unconsciously more admirable of other people named Jed? I have questions.
Quote from: PANK! on November 16, 2015, 10:12:43 AM
Couple things from this. (http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/157353532)..
1) Did other people here know Ian Happ's dad just died 3 weeks ago? That sucks.
2) I'm not exactly thrilled with Jed's "Jed Lowrie with more power" comp for Happ. Doesn't Jed Lowrie suck? Is Jed Hoyer just unconsciously more admirable of other people named Jed? I have questions.
At his best Jed Lowrie has been a 2-3.5 fWAR player for a couple of seasons (his biggest issue has been staying healthy, he's usually been pretty solid when he manages to play a full season). So Lowrie with more power would presumably be like a 3-4 win guy. Yeah I'd take that from 2B from a switch-hitter with good on base skills.
Quote from: PANK! on November 16, 2015, 10:12:43 AM
Couple things from this. (http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/157353532)..
1) Did other people here know Ian Happ's dad just died 3 weeks ago? That sucks.
2) I'm not exactly thrilled with Jed's "Jed Lowrie with more power" comp for Happ. Doesn't Jed Lowrie suck? Is Jed Hoyer just unconsciously more admirable of other people named Jed? I have questions.
I know we've touched on number 2 before about other prospects. At this point, Happ has fewer than 300 professional plate appearances at A-ball. I know he's a college bat who should be pretty advanced but if he makes it to the majors at all, it's a win. If he becomes a 2-win player like Lowrie, that's a nice player to have, albeit league average. Certainly the hope is that he's better than that but at this point, if we can project a Lowrie career, that's not too bad. Hopefully, the comps get better as he advances and hits the shit out of AA next year.
Quote from: SKO on November 16, 2015, 10:22:02 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 16, 2015, 10:12:43 AM
Couple things from this. (http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/157353532)..
1) Did other people here know Ian Happ's dad just died 3 weeks ago? That sucks.
2) I'm not exactly thrilled with Jed's "Jed Lowrie with more power" comp for Happ. Doesn't Jed Lowrie suck? Is Jed Hoyer just unconsciously more admirable of other people named Jed? I have questions.
At his best Jed Lowrie has been a 2-3.5 fWAR player for a couple of seasons (his biggest issue has been staying healthy, he's usually been pretty solid when he manages to play a full season). So Lowrie with more power would presumably be like a 3-4 win guy. Yeah I'd take that from 2B from a switch-hitter with good on base skills.
Great, another prospect you hope turns into an oft-injured underachiever.
Quote from: SKO on November 16, 2015, 10:22:02 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 16, 2015, 10:12:43 AM
Couple things from this. (http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/157353532)..
1) Did other people here know Ian Happ's dad just died 3 weeks ago? That sucks.
2) I'm not exactly thrilled with Jed's "Jed Lowrie with more power" comp for Happ. Doesn't Jed Lowrie suck? Is Jed Hoyer just unconsciously more admirable of other people named Jed? I have questions.
At his best Jed Lowrie has been a 2-3.5 fWAR player for a couple of seasons (his biggest issue has been staying healthy, he's usually been pretty solid when he manages to play a full season). So Lowrie with more power would presumably be like a 3-4 win guy. Yeah I'd take that from 2B from a switch-hitter with good on base skills.
Ian Happ is an outfielder.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 16, 2015, 11:16:42 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 16, 2015, 10:22:02 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 16, 2015, 10:12:43 AM
Couple things from this. (http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/157353532)..
1) Did other people here know Ian Happ's dad just died 3 weeks ago? That sucks.
2) I'm not exactly thrilled with Jed's "Jed Lowrie with more power" comp for Happ. Doesn't Jed Lowrie suck? Is Jed Hoyer just unconsciously more admirable of other people named Jed? I have questions.
At his best Jed Lowrie has been a 2-3.5 fWAR player for a couple of seasons (his biggest issue has been staying healthy, he's usually been pretty solid when he manages to play a full season). So Lowrie with more power would presumably be like a 3-4 win guy. Yeah I'd take that from 2B from a switch-hitter with good on base skills.
Ian Happ is an outfielder.
He's both, for now.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 16, 2015, 11:17:22 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 16, 2015, 11:16:42 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 16, 2015, 10:22:02 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 16, 2015, 10:12:43 AM
Couple things from this. (http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/157353532)..
1) Did other people here know Ian Happ's dad just died 3 weeks ago? That sucks.
2) I'm not exactly thrilled with Jed's "Jed Lowrie with more power" comp for Happ. Doesn't Jed Lowrie suck? Is Jed Hoyer just unconsciously more admirable of other people named Jed? I have questions.
At his best Jed Lowrie has been a 2-3.5 fWAR player for a couple of seasons (his biggest issue has been staying healthy, he's usually been pretty solid when he manages to play a full season). So Lowrie with more power would presumably be like a 3-4 win guy. Yeah I'd take that from 2B from a switch-hitter with good on base skills.
Ian Happ is an outfielder.
He's both, for now.
Yup, played both in college, played CF mostly in the minors this year, but took a lot of reps at 2B in instructional league this fall and lot of scouts seem to think that's his future.
Quote from: SKO on November 16, 2015, 11:26:01 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 16, 2015, 11:17:22 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 16, 2015, 11:16:42 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 16, 2015, 10:22:02 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 16, 2015, 10:12:43 AM
Couple things from this. (http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/157353532)..
1) Did other people here know Ian Happ's dad just died 3 weeks ago? That sucks.
2) I'm not exactly thrilled with Jed's "Jed Lowrie with more power" comp for Happ. Doesn't Jed Lowrie suck? Is Jed Hoyer just unconsciously more admirable of other people named Jed? I have questions.
At his best Jed Lowrie has been a 2-3.5 fWAR player for a couple of seasons (his biggest issue has been staying healthy, he's usually been pretty solid when he manages to play a full season). So Lowrie with more power would presumably be like a 3-4 win guy. Yeah I'd take that from 2B from a switch-hitter with good on base skills.
Ian Happ is an outfielder.
He's both, for now.
Yup, played both in college, played CF mostly in the minors this year, but took a lot of reps at 2B in instructional league this fall and lot of scouts seem to think that's his future.
Yeah it seems like they're positioning him for 2B depth in the event that Baez and/or Castro don't work out/get dealt.
Quote from: SKO on November 16, 2015, 11:26:01 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 16, 2015, 11:17:22 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 16, 2015, 11:16:42 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 16, 2015, 10:22:02 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 16, 2015, 10:12:43 AM
Couple things from this. (http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/157353532)..
1) Did other people here know Ian Happ's dad just died 3 weeks ago? That sucks.
2) I'm not exactly thrilled with Jed's "Jed Lowrie with more power" comp for Happ. Doesn't Jed Lowrie suck? Is Jed Hoyer just unconsciously more admirable of other people named Jed? I have questions.
At his best Jed Lowrie has been a 2-3.5 fWAR player for a couple of seasons (his biggest issue has been staying healthy, he's usually been pretty solid when he manages to play a full season). So Lowrie with more power would presumably be like a 3-4 win guy. Yeah I'd take that from 2B from a switch-hitter with good on base skills.
Ian Happ is an outfielder.
He's both, for now.
Yup, played both in college, played CF mostly in the minors this year, but took a lot of reps at 2B in instructional league this fall and lot of scouts seem to think that's his future.
He's multi-versatile.
Quote from: PANK! on November 16, 2015, 11:33:39 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 16, 2015, 11:26:01 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 16, 2015, 11:17:22 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on November 16, 2015, 11:16:42 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 16, 2015, 10:22:02 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 16, 2015, 10:12:43 AM
Couple things from this. (http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/157353532)..
1) Did other people here know Ian Happ's dad just died 3 weeks ago? That sucks.
2) I'm not exactly thrilled with Jed's "Jed Lowrie with more power" comp for Happ. Doesn't Jed Lowrie suck? Is Jed Hoyer just unconsciously more admirable of other people named Jed? I have questions.
At his best Jed Lowrie has been a 2-3.5 fWAR player for a couple of seasons (his biggest issue has been staying healthy, he's usually been pretty solid when he manages to play a full season). So Lowrie with more power would presumably be like a 3-4 win guy. Yeah I'd take that from 2B from a switch-hitter with good on base skills.
Ian Happ is an outfielder.
He's both, for now.
Yup, played both in college, played CF mostly in the minors this year, but took a lot of reps at 2B in instructional league this fall and lot of scouts seem to think that's his future.
Yeah it seems like they're positioning him for 2B depth in the event that Baez and/or Castro don't work out/get dealt.
With the fuckloads of shortstops they have in the system and the paucity of CFs, I'm surprised they aren't leveraging his actual competence at that position.
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Couple things from this. (http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/157353532)..
1) Did other people here know Ian Happ's dad just died 3 weeks ago? That sucks.
2) I'm not exactly thrilled with Jed's "Jed Lowrie with more power" comp for Happ. Doesn't Jed Lowrie suck? Is Jed Hoyer just unconsciously more admirable of other people named Jed? I have questions.
At his best Jed Lowrie has been a 2-3.5 fWAR player for a couple of seasons (his biggest issue has been staying healthy, he's usually been pretty solid when he manages to play a full season). So Lowrie with more power would presumably be like a 3-4 win guy. Yeah I'd take that from 2B from a switch-hitter with good on base skills.
Ian Happ is an outfielder.
He's both, for now.
Yup, played both in college, played CF mostly in the minors this year, but took a lot of reps at 2B in instructional league this fall and lot of scouts seem to think that's his future.
Yeah it seems like they're positioning him for 2B depth in the event that Baez and/or Castro don't work out/get dealt.
With the fuckloads of shortstops they have in the system and the paucity of CFs, I'm surprised they aren't leveraging his actual competence at that position.
Depends on where you fall with regards to shortstops vis-a-vis centerfielders. I think most would agree they're the two most significant positions, but I happen to think shortstop is more critical than centerfielder and it is more likely that you'll find a shortstop who can play center field than the other way around. Robin Yount won an MVP in Centerfield 6 years after winning one at SS--I have a hard time picturing it happening in reverse.
Perhaps more is riding on Almora than we would be comfortable with. By all accounts, the guy is a smooth outfielder, and he only needs to improve his offensive production by about 10% in order for him to be acceptable with all of the other talent that would presumably be around him. If not him, I have faith they can produce another. I'll take a less-than-ideal centerfielder than a less-than-ideal shortstop (and thankfully, we already have close-to-ideal shortstop).
40-man roster deadline tonight.
Pierce Johnson, Wilson Contreras, Dan Vogelbach, and some other interesting names.
Yep...I'm fucking bored at work today.
Quote from: Oleg on November 20, 2015, 02:36:22 PM
40-man roster deadline tonight.
Pierce Johnson, Wilson Contreras, Dan Vogelbach, and some other interesting names.
Yep...I'm fucking bored at work today.
Are any of those close enough to MLB ready to be Rule 5 risks?
Quote from: Oleg on November 20, 2015, 02:36:22 PM
40-man roster deadline tonight.
Pierce Johnson, Wilson Contreras, Dan Vogelbach, and some other interesting names.
Yep...I'm fucking bored at work today.
Vogelbach's family is tweeting happy things about Dan, so I'm assuming he got 40 man'd
Quote from: Yeti on November 20, 2015, 04:02:29 PM
Quote from: Oleg on November 20, 2015, 02:36:22 PM
40-man roster deadline tonight.
Pierce Johnson, Wilson Contreras, Dan Vogelbach, and some other interesting names.
Yep...I'm fucking bored at work today.
Vogelbach's family is tweeting happy things about Dan, so I'm assuming he got 40 man'd
Candelario was the 4th one.
Corey Black--NO SOUP FOR YOU.
Quote from: PANK! on November 20, 2015, 06:57:54 PM
Quote from: Yeti on November 20, 2015, 04:02:29 PM
Quote from: Oleg on November 20, 2015, 02:36:22 PM
40-man roster deadline tonight.
Pierce Johnson, Wilson Contreras, Dan Vogelbach, and some other interesting names.
Yep...I'm fucking bored at work today.
Vogelbach's family is tweeting happy things about Dan, so I'm assuming he got 40 man'd
Candelario was the 4th one.
Corey Black--NO SOUP FOR YOU.
Black was brutal in the AFL.
Who (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20151125&content_id=158172594&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb)?
Cubs a favorite to land a 16 year old Cuban pitcher. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/cuban-notes-reds-cubs-favorites-two-players-gutierrez-heredia-ruiz/)
So, I guess I'd be cool if they traded McKinney or someone else now.
Quote from: PenFoe on December 11, 2015, 01:33:34 PM
So, I guess I'd be cool if they traded McKinney or someone else now.
If Soler gets traded now I I'll probs just sob a few tears into my JASON FUCKING HEYWARD shirsey, drink two strong beers and touch myself.
I love Theo so God damn much. Come on, March.
Last week Theo picked up a 27-year-old career minor leaguer, Mike O'Neill (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?sid=milb&player_id=595349#/career/R/hitting/2015/ALL).
As you can see from his statline, he has zero pop. But a .412 OBP is pretty hard to ignore. Might be interesting as a 5th outfielder.
34 Prospects with an FV of 45 and over. Not bad at all. (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/evaluating-the-2016-prospects-chicago-cubs/)
Have at it, Pen.
Quote from: Oleg on January 07, 2016, 02:14:04 PM
34 Prospects with an FV of 45 and over. Not bad at all. (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/evaluating-the-2016-prospects-chicago-cubs/)
Have at it, Pen.
Boners for daaaaaaaaaaaays
Dude hates Willson Contreras more than I do
I'm kind of surprised Tseng is rated #25. But if there are truly 24 guys in the system better than he is, sploosh.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on January 07, 2016, 02:35:57 PM
I'm kind of surprised Tseng is rated #25. But if there are truly 24 guys in the system better than he is, sploosh.
The other way you could look at that is that Tseng isn't actually that good.
Quote from: SKO on January 07, 2016, 02:42:53 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on January 07, 2016, 02:35:57 PM
I'm kind of surprised Tseng is rated #25. But if there are truly 24 guys in the system better than he is, sploosh.
The other way you could look at that is that Tseng isn't actually that good.
Yea, but Fork watched him with Arguello once
Quote from: Yeti on January 07, 2016, 02:44:51 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 07, 2016, 02:42:53 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on January 07, 2016, 02:35:57 PM
I'm kind of surprised Tseng is rated #25. But if there are truly 24 guys in the system better than he is, sploosh.
The other way you could look at that is that Tseng isn't actually that good.
Yea, but Fork watched him with Arguello once
I mean I'm actually not trying to be a dick here. The farm system is awesome and Tseng is a decent fringe-y prospect. Just, you know, Fork and all.
Quote from: Oleg on January 07, 2016, 02:14:04 PM
34 Prospects with an FV of 45 and over. Not bad at all. (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/evaluating-the-2016-prospects-chicago-cubs/)
Have at it, Pen.
Where's Hannemann?
Quote from: Yeti on January 07, 2016, 02:50:00 PM
Quote from: Oleg on January 07, 2016, 02:14:04 PM
34 Prospects with an FV of 45 and over. Not bad at all. (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/evaluating-the-2016-prospects-chicago-cubs/)
Have at it, Pen.
Where's Hannemann?
The fact that he's one of the 34 may mean that I'm overly enthusiastic about how good the system is.
Quote from: Yeti on January 07, 2016, 02:50:00 PM
Quote from: Oleg on January 07, 2016, 02:14:04 PM
34 Prospects with an FV of 45 and over. Not bad at all. (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/evaluating-the-2016-prospects-chicago-cubs/)
Have at it, Pen.
Where's Hannemann?
Telling anyone who will listen about how Jesus once came to live in America just so he could set up millenium-spanning scavenger hunt?
Quote from: SKO on January 07, 2016, 02:46:44 PM
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Quote from: SKO on January 07, 2016, 02:42:53 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on January 07, 2016, 02:35:57 PM
I'm kind of surprised Tseng is rated #25. But if there are truly 24 guys in the system better than he is, sploosh.
The other way you could look at that is that Tseng isn't actually that good.
Yea, but Fork watched him with Arguello once
I mean I'm actually not trying to be a dick here. The farm system is awesome and Tseng is a decent fringe-y prospect. Just, you know, Fork and all.
Actually never saw him, I just thought he had been rated pretty high previously.
Quote from: Oleg on January 07, 2016, 02:14:04 PM
34 Prospects with an FV of 45 and over. Not bad at all. (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/evaluating-the-2016-prospects-chicago-cubs/)
Have at it, Pen.
So many boners.
I may have the opportunity to make some Spring Training games this year. I love this organization so much.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on January 07, 2016, 04:36:20 PM
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Quote from: Yeti on January 07, 2016, 02:44:51 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 07, 2016, 02:42:53 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on January 07, 2016, 02:35:57 PM
I'm kind of surprised Tseng is rated #25. But if there are truly 24 guys in the system better than he is, sploosh.
The other way you could look at that is that Tseng isn't actually that good.
Yea, but Fork watched him with Arguello once
I mean I'm actually not trying to be a dick here. The farm system is awesome and Tseng is a decent fringe-y prospect. Just, you know, Fork and all.
Actually never saw him, I just thought he had been rated pretty high previously.
Tseng was rated high originally and then had a really rough start to last year, combined with his lack of great overall "stuff." He's got pretty good command, but his fastball ain't that much and he's not striking a ton of guys out.
That said, he rebounded quite nicely over the second half last year.
I don't know if he's a super-legit prospect, but he's definitely still in play.
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Quote from: Oleg on January 07, 2016, 02:14:04 PM
34 Prospects with an FV of 45 and over. Not bad at all. (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/evaluating-the-2016-prospects-chicago-cubs/)
Have at it, Pen.
So many boners.
I may have the opportunity to make some Spring Training games this year. I love this organization so much.
We're kicking around going to the Vegas games. Baseball can't get here fast enough.
Lazarito has been declared a free agent eligible to sign Feb. 10, not July 2, which means the Cubs can grab him as long as they're willing to pay a 100% tax on whatever they pay him (stupid IFA rules are stupid).
Quote from: Saul Goodman on January 11, 2016, 11:21:45 PM
Lazarito has been declared a free agent eligible to sign Feb. 10, not July 2, which means the Cubs can grab him as long as they're willing to pay a 100% tax on whatever they pay him (stupid IFA rules are stupid).
Fuck it. Break the bank.
Ian Happ moving to full-time 2B. (http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2016/01/cubs-prospect-ian-happ-converting-to-full-time-second-baseman.php)
The top 100 prospects as per mlb.com (http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=prospects). I was going to make SOME JOKE ABOUT DA CUBS NOT HAVIN ANY PROPSECTS SINCE DAT EPSTINK GUY GOT RIDDA DEM INTO DA BIG LEAGUES MY FRENTS but it turns out, they still have six in the list:
28 Gleyber Torres
50 Willson Contreras
76 Ian Happ
77 Duane Underwood
86 Albert Almora
88 Billy McKinney
so, you know... fuck Matt Trueblood.
To save you the bother of counting for yourselves, the Deadbirds have two, Milwaukee, Pissburgh and the Reds have five each, and the Sox have two and are going to be awful for quite some time. And honestly, at the moment it's hard to see a) how the rest of the National League is going to keep up with the Cubs in the next few years and b) how long it's going to be before my erection subsides.
Quote from: Tonker on January 30, 2016, 04:55:02 AM
The top 100 prospects as per mlb.com (http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=prospects). I was going to make SOME JOKE ABOUT DA CUBS NOT HAVIN ANY PROPSECTS SINCE DAT EPSTINK GUY GOT RIDDA DEM INTO DA BIG LEAGUES MY FRENTS but it turns out, they still have six in the list:
28 Gleyber Torres
50 Willson Contreras
76 Ian Happ
77 Duane Underwood
86 Albert Almora
88 Billy McKinney
so, you know... fuck Matt Trueblood.
To save you the bother of counting for yourselves, the Deadbirds have two, Milwaukee, Pissburgh and the Reds have five each, and the Sox have two and are going to be awful for quite some time. And honestly, at the moment it's hard to see a) how the rest of the National League is going to keep up with the Cubs in the next few years and b) how long it's going to be before my erection subsides.
With the exception of Eddy Martinez replacing Underwood, the same players appear on BP's Top 101. (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=28319) I don't think any of them are high ceiling guys like the last group but very impressive.
Quote from: Oleg on February 01, 2016, 08:56:30 AM
Quote from: Tonker on January 30, 2016, 04:55:02 AM
The top 100 prospects as per mlb.com (http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=prospects). I was going to make SOME JOKE ABOUT DA CUBS NOT HAVIN ANY PROPSECTS SINCE DAT EPSTINK GUY GOT RIDDA DEM INTO DA BIG LEAGUES MY FRENTS but it turns out, they still have six in the list:
28 Gleyber Torres
50 Willson Contreras
76 Ian Happ
77 Duane Underwood
86 Albert Almora
88 Billy McKinney
so, you know... fuck Matt Trueblood.
To save you the bother of counting for yourselves, the Deadbirds have two, Milwaukee, Pissburgh and the Reds have five each, and the Sox have two and are going to be awful for quite some time. And honestly, at the moment it's hard to see a) how the rest of the National League is going to keep up with the Cubs in the next few years and b) how long it's going to be before my erection subsides.
With the exception of Eddy Martinez replacing Underwood, the same players appear on BP's Top 101. (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=28319) I don't think any of them are high ceiling guys like the last group but very impressive.
Not to mention, with the Cubs going hard after international players, they will continue improving their organizational depth. For all we know, if they sign Lazarito then Gleybar gets bumped down to the Cubs' #2 prospect.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on February 01, 2016, 09:19:13 AM
Quote from: Oleg on February 01, 2016, 08:56:30 AM
Quote from: Tonker on January 30, 2016, 04:55:02 AM
The top 100 prospects as per mlb.com (http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=prospects). I was going to make SOME JOKE ABOUT DA CUBS NOT HAVIN ANY PROPSECTS SINCE DAT EPSTINK GUY GOT RIDDA DEM INTO DA BIG LEAGUES MY FRENTS but it turns out, they still have six in the list:
28 Gleyber Torres
50 Willson Contreras
76 Ian Happ
77 Duane Underwood
86 Albert Almora
88 Billy McKinney
so, you know... fuck Matt Trueblood.
To save you the bother of counting for yourselves, the Deadbirds have two, Milwaukee, Pissburgh and the Reds have five each, and the Sox have two and are going to be awful for quite some time. And honestly, at the moment it's hard to see a) how the rest of the National League is going to keep up with the Cubs in the next few years and b) how long it's going to be before my erection subsides.
With the exception of Eddy Martinez replacing Underwood, the same players appear on BP's Top 101. (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=28319) I don't think any of them are high ceiling guys like the last group but very impressive.
Not to mention, with the Cubs going hard after international players, they will continue improving their organizational depth. For all we know, if they sign Lazarito then Gleybar gets bumped down to the Cubs' #2 prospect.
He's 16 years old. He might be their most talented prospect if he signs but he'd not be ranked as their #1 prospect without playing any professional games in the US. You don't see many guys ranked as a top 25 prospect at signing or without being fairly close to the majors. I don't care how impressive of a 16 year old he is he's probably at least a 3-4 year minor league project.
Quote from: SKO on February 01, 2016, 09:29:57 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on February 01, 2016, 09:19:13 AM
Quote from: Oleg on February 01, 2016, 08:56:30 AM
Quote from: Tonker on January 30, 2016, 04:55:02 AM
The top 100 prospects as per mlb.com (http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=prospects). I was going to make SOME JOKE ABOUT DA CUBS NOT HAVIN ANY PROPSECTS SINCE DAT EPSTINK GUY GOT RIDDA DEM INTO DA BIG LEAGUES MY FRENTS but it turns out, they still have six in the list:
28 Gleyber Torres
50 Willson Contreras
76 Ian Happ
77 Duane Underwood
86 Albert Almora
88 Billy McKinney
so, you know... fuck Matt Trueblood.
To save you the bother of counting for yourselves, the Deadbirds have two, Milwaukee, Pissburgh and the Reds have five each, and the Sox have two and are going to be awful for quite some time. And honestly, at the moment it's hard to see a) how the rest of the National League is going to keep up with the Cubs in the next few years and b) how long it's going to be before my erection subsides.
With the exception of Eddy Martinez replacing Underwood, the same players appear on BP's Top 101. (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=28319) I don't think any of them are high ceiling guys like the last group but very impressive.
Not to mention, with the Cubs going hard after international players, they will continue improving their organizational depth. For all we know, if they sign Lazarito then Gleybar gets bumped down to the Cubs' #2 prospect.
He's 16 years old. He might be their most talented prospect if he signs but he'd not be ranked as their #1 prospect without playing any professional games in the US. You don't see many guys ranked as a top 25 prospect at signing or without being fairly close to the majors. I don't care how impressive of a 16 year old he is he's probably at least a 3-4 year minor league project.
You statnerds and your statnerdery. Fork is a born scout and you'll never be able to compete with his natural feel for the game.
Quote from: Tonker on February 01, 2016, 10:22:53 AM
Quote from: SKO on February 01, 2016, 09:29:57 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on February 01, 2016, 09:19:13 AM
Quote from: Oleg on February 01, 2016, 08:56:30 AM
Quote from: Tonker on January 30, 2016, 04:55:02 AM
The top 100 prospects as per mlb.com (http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=prospects). I was going to make SOME JOKE ABOUT DA CUBS NOT HAVIN ANY PROPSECTS SINCE DAT EPSTINK GUY GOT RIDDA DEM INTO DA BIG LEAGUES MY FRENTS but it turns out, they still have six in the list:
28 Gleyber Torres
50 Willson Contreras
76 Ian Happ
77 Duane Underwood
86 Albert Almora
88 Billy McKinney
so, you know... fuck Matt Trueblood.
To save you the bother of counting for yourselves, the Deadbirds have two, Milwaukee, Pissburgh and the Reds have five each, and the Sox have two and are going to be awful for quite some time. And honestly, at the moment it's hard to see a) how the rest of the National League is going to keep up with the Cubs in the next few years and b) how long it's going to be before my erection subsides.
With the exception of Eddy Martinez replacing Underwood, the same players appear on BP's Top 101. (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=28319) I don't think any of them are high ceiling guys like the last group but very impressive.
Not to mention, with the Cubs going hard after international players, they will continue improving their organizational depth. For all we know, if they sign Lazarito then Gleybar gets bumped down to the Cubs' #2 prospect.
He's 16 years old. He might be their most talented prospect if he signs but he'd not be ranked as their #1 prospect without playing any professional games in the US. You don't see many guys ranked as a top 25 prospect at signing or without being fairly close to the majors. I don't care how impressive of a 16 year old he is he's probably at least a 3-4 year minor league project.
You statnerds and your statnerdery. Fork is a born scout and you'll never be able to compete with his natural feel for the game.
Now I'm off to live out my days with a porkpie hat, cheap cigar and clipboard.
Quote from: Tonker on January 30, 2016, 04:55:02 AM
The top 100 prospects as per mlb.com (http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=prospects). I was going to make SOME JOKE ABOUT DA CUBS NOT HAVIN ANY PROPSECTS SINCE DAT EPSTINK GUY GOT RIDDA DEM INTO DA BIG LEAGUES MY FRENTS but it turns out, they still have six in the list:
28 Gleyber Torres
50 Willson Contreras
76 Ian Happ
77 Duane Underwood
86 Albert Almora
88 Billy McKinney
so, you know... fuck Matt Trueblood.
To save you the bother of counting for yourselves, the Deadbirds have two, Milwaukee, Pissburgh and the Reds have five each, and the Sox have two and are going to be awful for quite some time. And honestly, at the moment it's hard to see a) how the rest of the National League is going to keep up with the Cubs in the next few years and b) how long it's going to be before my erection subsides.
Keith Law's Top 100 also has six Cubs:
15 Gleyber
27 Contreras
47 Ian Happ
69 Billy McKinney (Nice)
88 Almora
91 Dylan Cease.
Kinda cool to see Cease that high.
Quote from: SKO on February 11, 2016, 07:22:47 AM
Quote from: Tonker on January 30, 2016, 04:55:02 AM
The top 100 prospects as per mlb.com (http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=prospects). I was going to make SOME JOKE ABOUT DA CUBS NOT HAVIN ANY PROPSECTS SINCE DAT EPSTINK GUY GOT RIDDA DEM INTO DA BIG LEAGUES MY FRENTS but it turns out, they still have six in the list:
28 Gleyber Torres
50 Willson Contreras
76 Ian Happ
77 Duane Underwood
86 Albert Almora
88 Billy McKinney
so, you know... fuck Matt Trueblood.
To save you the bother of counting for yourselves, the Deadbirds have two, Milwaukee, Pissburgh and the Reds have five each, and the Sox have two and are going to be awful for quite some time. And honestly, at the moment it's hard to see a) how the rest of the National League is going to keep up with the Cubs in the next few years and b) how long it's going to be before my erection subsides.
Keith Law's Top 100 also has six Cubs:
15 Gleyber
27 Contreras
47 Ian Happ
69 Billy McKinney (Nice)
88 Almora
91 Dylan Cease.
Kinda cool to see Cease that high.
Thought I saw somewhere that he has the Cubs as (still) the 4th best farm system.
Pretty dope.
Quote from: PenFoe on February 11, 2016, 02:06:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 11, 2016, 07:22:47 AM
Quote from: Tonker on January 30, 2016, 04:55:02 AM
The top 100 prospects as per mlb.com (http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=prospects). I was going to make SOME JOKE ABOUT DA CUBS NOT HAVIN ANY PROPSECTS SINCE DAT EPSTINK GUY GOT RIDDA DEM INTO DA BIG LEAGUES MY FRENTS but it turns out, they still have six in the list:
28 Gleyber Torres
50 Willson Contreras
76 Ian Happ
77 Duane Underwood
86 Albert Almora
88 Billy McKinney
so, you know... fuck Matt Trueblood.
To save you the bother of counting for yourselves, the Deadbirds have two, Milwaukee, Pissburgh and the Reds have five each, and the Sox have two and are going to be awful for quite some time. And honestly, at the moment it's hard to see a) how the rest of the National League is going to keep up with the Cubs in the next few years and b) how long it's going to be before my erection subsides.
Keith Law's Top 100 also has six Cubs:
15 Gleyber
27 Contreras
47 Ian Happ
69 Billy McKinney (Nice)
88 Almora
91 Dylan Cease.
Kinda cool to see Cease that high.
Thought I saw somewhere that he has the Cubs as (still) the 4th best farm system.
Pretty dope.
That's where Law has them ranked.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on February 11, 2016, 04:12:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 11, 2016, 02:06:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 11, 2016, 07:22:47 AM
Quote from: Tonker on January 30, 2016, 04:55:02 AM
The top 100 prospects as per mlb.com (http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=prospects). I was going to make SOME JOKE ABOUT DA CUBS NOT HAVIN ANY PROPSECTS SINCE DAT EPSTINK GUY GOT RIDDA DEM INTO DA BIG LEAGUES MY FRENTS but it turns out, they still have six in the list:
28 Gleyber Torres
50 Willson Contreras
76 Ian Happ
77 Duane Underwood
86 Albert Almora
88 Billy McKinney
so, you know... fuck Matt Trueblood.
To save you the bother of counting for yourselves, the Deadbirds have two, Milwaukee, Pissburgh and the Reds have five each, and the Sox have two and are going to be awful for quite some time. And honestly, at the moment it's hard to see a) how the rest of the National League is going to keep up with the Cubs in the next few years and b) how long it's going to be before my erection subsides.
Keith Law's Top 100 also has six Cubs:
15 Gleyber
27 Contreras
47 Ian Happ
69 Billy McKinney (Nice)
88 Almora
91 Dylan Cease.
Kinda cool to see Cease that high.
Thought I saw somewhere that he has the Cubs as (still) the 4th best farm system.
Pretty dope.
That's where Law has them ranked.
Yes, that's exactly what I just said.
Quote from: PenFoe on February 11, 2016, 04:52:50 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on February 11, 2016, 04:12:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 11, 2016, 02:06:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 11, 2016, 07:22:47 AM
Quote from: Tonker on January 30, 2016, 04:55:02 AM
The top 100 prospects as per mlb.com (http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=prospects). I was going to make SOME JOKE ABOUT DA CUBS NOT HAVIN ANY PROPSECTS SINCE DAT EPSTINK GUY GOT RIDDA DEM INTO DA BIG LEAGUES MY FRENTS but it turns out, they still have six in the list:
28 Gleyber Torres
50 Willson Contreras
76 Ian Happ
77 Duane Underwood
86 Albert Almora
88 Billy McKinney
so, you know... fuck Matt Trueblood.
To save you the bother of counting for yourselves, the Deadbirds have two, Milwaukee, Pissburgh and the Reds have five each, and the Sox have two and are going to be awful for quite some time. And honestly, at the moment it's hard to see a) how the rest of the National League is going to keep up with the Cubs in the next few years and b) how long it's going to be before my erection subsides.
Keith Law's Top 100 also has six Cubs:
15 Gleyber
27 Contreras
47 Ian Happ
69 Billy McKinney (Nice)
88 Almora
91 Dylan Cease.
Kinda cool to see Cease that high.
Thought I saw somewhere that he has the Cubs as (still) the 4th best farm system.
Pretty dope.
That's where Law has them ranked.
Yes, that's exactly what I just said.
Okay, but what about Keith Law's ranking?
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The top 100 prospects as per mlb.com (http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=prospects). I was going to make SOME JOKE ABOUT DA CUBS NOT HAVIN ANY PROPSECTS SINCE DAT EPSTINK GUY GOT RIDDA DEM INTO DA BIG LEAGUES MY FRENTS but it turns out, they still have six in the list:
28 Gleyber Torres
50 Willson Contreras
76 Ian Happ
77 Duane Underwood
86 Albert Almora
88 Billy McKinney
so, you know... fuck Matt Trueblood.
To save you the bother of counting for yourselves, the Deadbirds have two, Milwaukee, Pissburgh and the Reds have five each, and the Sox have two and are going to be awful for quite some time. And honestly, at the moment it's hard to see a) how the rest of the National League is going to keep up with the Cubs in the next few years and b) how long it's going to be before my erection subsides.
Keith Law's Top 100 also has six Cubs:
15 Gleyber
27 Contreras
47 Ian Happ
69 Billy McKinney (Nice)
88 Almora
91 Dylan Cease.
Kinda cool to see Cease that high.
Thought I saw somewhere that he has the Cubs as (still) the 4th best farm system.
Pretty dope.
That's where Law has them ranked.
Yes, that's exactly what I just said.
Okay, but what about Keith Law's ranking?
Keith Law has a decent ranking but his schedule is soft.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on February 11, 2016, 05:08:31 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 11, 2016, 04:52:50 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on February 11, 2016, 04:12:33 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on February 11, 2016, 02:06:01 PM
Quote from: SKO on February 11, 2016, 07:22:47 AM
Quote from: Tonker on January 30, 2016, 04:55:02 AM
The top 100 prospects as per mlb.com (http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=prospects). I was going to make SOME JOKE ABOUT DA CUBS NOT HAVIN ANY PROPSECTS SINCE DAT EPSTINK GUY GOT RIDDA DEM INTO DA BIG LEAGUES MY FRENTS but it turns out, they still have six in the list:
28 Gleyber Torres
50 Willson Contreras
76 Ian Happ
77 Duane Underwood
86 Albert Almora
88 Billy McKinney
so, you know... fuck Matt Trueblood.
To save you the bother of counting for yourselves, the Deadbirds have two, Milwaukee, Pissburgh and the Reds have five each, and the Sox have two and are going to be awful for quite some time. And honestly, at the moment it's hard to see a) how the rest of the National League is going to keep up with the Cubs in the next few years and b) how long it's going to be before my erection subsides.
Keith Law's Top 100 also has six Cubs:
15 Gleyber
27 Contreras
47 Ian Happ
69 Billy McKinney (Nice)
88 Almora
91 Dylan Cease.
Kinda cool to see Cease that high.
Thought I saw somewhere that he has the Cubs as (still) the 4th best farm system.
Pretty dope.
That's where Law has them ranked.
Yes, that's exactly what I just said.
Okay, but what about Keith Law's ranking?
No way to know.
Sahadev said on teh Twits that Lazarito probably won't be a Cub.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on February 12, 2016, 08:48:43 AM
Sahadev said on teh Twits that Lazarito probably won't be a Cub.
Barely any of this makes sense.
So, Jeimer Candelario looks good?
Quote from: SKO on March 14, 2016, 10:37:18 AM
So, Jeimer Candelario looks good?
With Villanueva hurt, does he make the jump to Iowa? He and Almora have been in the Cubs' organization for what seems like long that it's easy to forget they'll both be only 22 this entire season.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on March 14, 2016, 10:46:13 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 14, 2016, 10:37:18 AM
So, Jeimer Candelario looks good?
With Villanueva hurt, does he make the jump to Iowa? He and Almora have been in the Cubs' organization for what seems like long that it's easy to forget they'll both be only 22 this entire season.
There's no question about it. The dude seems legit.
Quote from: PANK! on March 14, 2016, 10:50:15 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on March 14, 2016, 10:46:13 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 14, 2016, 10:37:18 AM
So, Jeimer Candelario looks good?
With Villanueva hurt, does he make the jump to Iowa? He and Almora have been in the Cubs' organization for what seems like long that it's easy to forget they'll both be only 22 this entire season.
There's no question about it. The dude seems legit.
He's always had really good tools, but whatever it is it's all seemed to click for him since the middle of last year. Hopefully he can keep it up at Iowa because he should make a very attractive trade chip if he does. He's young, he's a switch-hitter, he's got power, and he's also the rare Cub prospect that doesn't K a lot. He's K'd just 16% of the time in the minors.
Quote from: SKO on March 14, 2016, 11:00:37 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 14, 2016, 10:50:15 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on March 14, 2016, 10:46:13 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 14, 2016, 10:37:18 AM
So, Jeimer Candelario looks good?
With Villanueva hurt, does he make the jump to Iowa? He and Almora have been in the Cubs' organization for what seems like long that it's easy to forget they'll both be only 22 this entire season.
There's no question about it. The dude seems legit.
He's always had really good tools, but whatever it is it's all seemed to click for him since the middle of last year. Hopefully he can keep it up at Iowa because he should make a very attractive trade chip if he does. He's young, he's a switch-hitter, he's got power, and he's also the rare Cub prospect that doesn't K a lot. He's K'd just 16% of the time in the minors.
He's always been on the low end of age for whichever league he's been in. He's finally achieving grown-ass man status.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on March 14, 2016, 11:11:10 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 14, 2016, 11:00:37 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 14, 2016, 10:50:15 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on March 14, 2016, 10:46:13 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 14, 2016, 10:37:18 AM
So, Jeimer Candelario looks good?
With Villanueva hurt, does he make the jump to Iowa? He and Almora have been in the Cubs' organization for what seems like long that it's easy to forget they'll both be only 22 this entire season.
There's no question about it. The dude seems legit.
He's always had really good tools, but whatever it is it's all seemed to click for him since the middle of last year. Hopefully he can keep it up at Iowa because he should make a very attractive trade chip if he does. He's young, he's a switch-hitter, he's got power, and he's also the rare Cub prospect that doesn't K a lot. He's K'd just 16% of the time in the minors.
He's always been on the low end of age for whichever league he's been in. He's finally achieving grown-ass man status.
Yeah, from the numbers and what I've read it sounds like he kind of just used to make a lot of weak contact but as he got bigger and stronger he started driving the ball and some of those doubles started going over the fence.
I'm hoping for a similar development from Almora. His second half last year was encouraging.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on March 14, 2016, 11:11:10 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 14, 2016, 11:00:37 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 14, 2016, 10:50:15 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on March 14, 2016, 10:46:13 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 14, 2016, 10:37:18 AM
So, Jeimer Candelario looks good?
With Villanueva hurt, does he make the jump to Iowa? He and Almora have been in the Cubs' organization for what seems like long that it's easy to forget they'll both be only 22 this entire season.
There's no question about it. The dude seems legit.
He's always had really good tools, but whatever it is it's all seemed to click for him since the middle of last year. Hopefully he can keep it up at Iowa because he should make a very attractive trade chip if he does. He's young, he's a switch-hitter, he's got power, and he's also the rare Cub prospect that doesn't K a lot. He's K'd just 16% of the time in the minors.
He's always been on the low end of age for whichever league he's been in. He's finally achieving grown-ass man status.
Yeah he's got a good body type--compact, athletic looking. And he's already hit the ball hard. I enjoyed his first at-bat on Saturday against that tomato can the Sox were hurling--Fowler and Heyward already reached (with Fowler scoring) and Candelario came up--as the no. 3 hitter--and immediately fell down 0-2. But he worked the count full (did not even come close to offering at either of the two low-and-in breaking balls), hit a hard foul, and drew the walk. The next time he dropped a double down the LF line. Last night he went yard in the 1st inning.
I see no scenario where this kid plays any meaningful innings for the Cubs--and if he does it's bad news because it means Bryant's hurt--but he definitely looks like he could be an MLB starter, which makes him a nice chip.
Quote from: SKO on March 14, 2016, 11:14:14 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on March 14, 2016, 11:11:10 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 14, 2016, 11:00:37 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 14, 2016, 10:50:15 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on March 14, 2016, 10:46:13 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 14, 2016, 10:37:18 AM
So, Jeimer Candelario looks good?
With Villanueva hurt, does he make the jump to Iowa? He and Almora have been in the Cubs' organization for what seems like long that it's easy to forget they'll both be only 22 this entire season.
There's no question about it. The dude seems legit.
He's always had really good tools, but whatever it is it's all seemed to click for him since the middle of last year. Hopefully he can keep it up at Iowa because he should make a very attractive trade chip if he does. He's young, he's a switch-hitter, he's got power, and he's also the rare Cub prospect that doesn't K a lot. He's K'd just 16% of the time in the minors.
He's always been on the low end of age for whichever league he's been in. He's finally achieving grown-ass man status.
Yeah, from the numbers and what I've read it sounds like he kind of just used to make a lot of weak contact but as he got bigger and stronger he started driving the ball and some of those doubles started going over the fence.
I'm hoping for a similar development from Almora. His second half last year was encouraging.
I think fans in Des Moines will get to watch some decent players this year with Candelario, Almora and Contreras.
Where's Ian Happ slated to man the keystone? AA?
Quote from: PANK! on March 14, 2016, 11:21:25 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on March 14, 2016, 11:11:10 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 14, 2016, 11:00:37 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 14, 2016, 10:50:15 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on March 14, 2016, 10:46:13 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 14, 2016, 10:37:18 AM
So, Jeimer Candelario looks good?
With Villanueva hurt, does he make the jump to Iowa? He and Almora have been in the Cubs' organization for what seems like long that it's easy to forget they'll both be only 22 this entire season.
There's no question about it. The dude seems legit.
He's always had really good tools, but whatever it is it's all seemed to click for him since the middle of last year. Hopefully he can keep it up at Iowa because he should make a very attractive trade chip if he does. He's young, he's a switch-hitter, he's got power, and he's also the rare Cub prospect that doesn't K a lot. He's K'd just 16% of the time in the minors.
He's always been on the low end of age for whichever league he's been in. He's finally achieving grown-ass man status.
Yeah he's got a good body type--compact, athletic looking. And he's already hit the ball hard. I enjoyed his first at-bat on Saturday against that tomato can the Sox were hurling--Fowler and Heyward already reached (with Fowler scoring) and Candelario came up--as the no. 3 hitter--and immediately fell down 0-2. But he worked the count full (did not even come close to offering at either of the two low-and-in breaking balls), hit a hard foul, and drew the walk. The next time he dropped a double down the LF line. Last night he went yard in the 1st inning.
I see no scenario where this kid plays any meaningful innings for the Cubs--and if he does it's bad news because it means Bryant's hurt--but he definitely looks like he could be an MLB starter, which makes him a nice chip.
I think it's pretty reasonable to think he could be a Valbuena-type average starting third baseman (sorry Andy), but his ceiling is higher than that.
I like him more than Villanueva, whose major league floor is probably a halfway decent backup for a few years and who at
best might have been able to put up the kind of numbers Valbuena has managed.
The last time I was impressed by a switch-hitting Cubs farmhand in spring training was Arismendy Alcantara, and we all know how that turned out. RIP.
Quote from: PANK! on March 14, 2016, 11:23:29 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 14, 2016, 11:14:14 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on March 14, 2016, 11:11:10 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 14, 2016, 11:00:37 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 14, 2016, 10:50:15 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on March 14, 2016, 10:46:13 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 14, 2016, 10:37:18 AM
So, Jeimer Candelario looks good?
With Villanueva hurt, does he make the jump to Iowa? He and Almora have been in the Cubs' organization for what seems like long that it's easy to forget they'll both be only 22 this entire season.
There's no question about it. The dude seems legit.
He's always had really good tools, but whatever it is it's all seemed to click for him since the middle of last year. Hopefully he can keep it up at Iowa because he should make a very attractive trade chip if he does. He's young, he's a switch-hitter, he's got power, and he's also the rare Cub prospect that doesn't K a lot. He's K'd just 16% of the time in the minors.
He's always been on the low end of age for whichever league he's been in. He's finally achieving grown-ass man status.
Yeah, from the numbers and what I've read it sounds like he kind of just used to make a lot of weak contact but as he got bigger and stronger he started driving the ball and some of those doubles started going over the fence.
I'm hoping for a similar development from Almora. His second half last year was encouraging.
I think fans in Des Moines will get to some decent players with Candelario, Almora and Contreras this year.
Where's Ian Happ slated to man the keystone? AA?
I could see him going back to South Bend for a bit, he only got like 30 games there last year. He's an advanced hitter but he doesn't seem like he's quite as advanced as Bryant and Schwarber were, and with Zobrist and Baez at the major league level it's not like the Cubs have any reason to rush him through like they did those two.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on March 14, 2016, 11:24:13 AM
The last time I was impressed by a switch-hitting Cubs farmhand in spring training was Arismendy Alcantara, and we all know how that turned out. RIP.
What're you doing?
Quote from: Saul Goodman on March 14, 2016, 11:24:13 AM
The last time I was impressed by a switch-hitting Cubs farmhand in spring training was Arismendy Alcantara, and we all know how that turned out. RIP.
Well La Stella is dead again so Mendy may get his shot at redemption.
Quote from: SKO on March 14, 2016, 11:25:38 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 14, 2016, 11:23:29 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 14, 2016, 11:14:14 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on March 14, 2016, 11:11:10 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 14, 2016, 11:00:37 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 14, 2016, 10:50:15 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on March 14, 2016, 10:46:13 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 14, 2016, 10:37:18 AM
So, Jeimer Candelario looks good?
With Villanueva hurt, does he make the jump to Iowa? He and Almora have been in the Cubs' organization for what seems like long that it's easy to forget they'll both be only 22 this entire season.
There's no question about it. The dude seems legit.
He's always had really good tools, but whatever it is it's all seemed to click for him since the middle of last year. Hopefully he can keep it up at Iowa because he should make a very attractive trade chip if he does. He's young, he's a switch-hitter, he's got power, and he's also the rare Cub prospect that doesn't K a lot. He's K'd just 16% of the time in the minors.
He's always been on the low end of age for whichever league he's been in. He's finally achieving grown-ass man status.
Yeah, from the numbers and what I've read it sounds like he kind of just used to make a lot of weak contact but as he got bigger and stronger he started driving the ball and some of those doubles started going over the fence.
I'm hoping for a similar development from Almora. His second half last year was encouraging.
I think fans in Des Moines will get to some decent players with Candelario, Almora and Contreras this year.
Where's Ian Happ slated to man the keystone? AA?
I could see him going back to South Bend for a bit, he only got like 30 games there last year. He's an advanced hitter but he doesn't seem like he's quite as advanced as Bryant and Schwarber were, and with Zobrist and Baez at the major league level it's not like the Cubs have any reason to rush him through like they did those two.
I mentioned on Slack that Happ would seem to slot in as Zobrist's replacement in a few years (if he pans out), to which Oleg pointed that it shouldn't take Happ 3 years to reach the bigs, which is true...but one of the side effects of developing a quality, deep farm system is that you can leave guys down longer, with the only risk being that they simply die on the vine (which wouldn't seem likely for any player that was really going to make it anyway).
Quote from: SKO on March 14, 2016, 11:26:18 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on March 14, 2016, 11:24:13 AM
The last time I was impressed by a switch-hitting Cubs farmhand in spring training was Arismendy Alcantara, and we all know how that turned out. RIP.
Well La Stella is dead again so Mendy may get his shot at redemption.
I don't think either of these guys makes the team FWIW.
Unless they feel that Shane Victorino is completely finished.
Quote from: SKO on March 14, 2016, 11:25:38 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 14, 2016, 11:23:29 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 14, 2016, 11:14:14 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on March 14, 2016, 11:11:10 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 14, 2016, 11:00:37 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 14, 2016, 10:50:15 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on March 14, 2016, 10:46:13 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 14, 2016, 10:37:18 AM
So, Jeimer Candelario looks good?
With Villanueva hurt, does he make the jump to Iowa? He and Almora have been in the Cubs' organization for what seems like long that it's easy to forget they'll both be only 22 this entire season.
There's no question about it. The dude seems legit.
He's always had really good tools, but whatever it is it's all seemed to click for him since the middle of last year. Hopefully he can keep it up at Iowa because he should make a very attractive trade chip if he does. He's young, he's a switch-hitter, he's got power, and he's also the rare Cub prospect that doesn't K a lot. He's K'd just 16% of the time in the minors.
He's always been on the low end of age for whichever league he's been in. He's finally achieving grown-ass man status.
Yeah, from the numbers and what I've read it sounds like he kind of just used to make a lot of weak contact but as he got bigger and stronger he started driving the ball and some of those doubles started going over the fence.
I'm hoping for a similar development from Almora. His second half last year was encouraging.
I think fans in Des Moines will get to some decent players with Candelario, Almora and Contreras this year.
Where's Ian Happ slated to man the keystone? AA?
I could see him going back to South Bend for a bit, he only got like 30 games there last year. He's an advanced hitter but he doesn't seem like he's quite as advanced as Bryant and Schwarber were, and with Zobrist and Baez at the major league level it's not like the Cubs have any reason to rush him through like they did those two.
Especially since he's learning a brand new position. Besides, Bryant and Schwarber were absolute freaks in terms of how advanced they were, it's not fair comparing anybody to them.
Quote from: PANK! on March 14, 2016, 11:28:39 AM
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Quote from: PANK! on March 14, 2016, 10:50:15 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on March 14, 2016, 10:46:13 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 14, 2016, 10:37:18 AM
So, Jeimer Candelario looks good?
With Villanueva hurt, does he make the jump to Iowa? He and Almora have been in the Cubs' organization for what seems like long that it's easy to forget they'll both be only 22 this entire season.
There's no question about it. The dude seems legit.
He's always had really good tools, but whatever it is it's all seemed to click for him since the middle of last year. Hopefully he can keep it up at Iowa because he should make a very attractive trade chip if he does. He's young, he's a switch-hitter, he's got power, and he's also the rare Cub prospect that doesn't K a lot. He's K'd just 16% of the time in the minors.
He's always been on the low end of age for whichever league he's been in. He's finally achieving grown-ass man status.
Yeah, from the numbers and what I've read it sounds like he kind of just used to make a lot of weak contact but as he got bigger and stronger he started driving the ball and some of those doubles started going over the fence.
I'm hoping for a similar development from Almora. His second half last year was encouraging.
I think fans in Des Moines will get to some decent players with Candelario, Almora and Contreras this year.
Where's Ian Happ slated to man the keystone? AA?
I could see him going back to South Bend for a bit, he only got like 30 games there last year. He's an advanced hitter but he doesn't seem like he's quite as advanced as Bryant and Schwarber were, and with Zobrist and Baez at the major league level it's not like the Cubs have any reason to rush him through like they did those two.
I mentioned on Slack that Happ would seem to slot in as Zobrist's replacement in a few years (if he pans out), to which Oleg pointed that it shouldn't take Happ 3 years to reach the bigs, which is true...but one of the side effects of developing a quality, deep farm system is that you can leave guys down longer, with the only risk being that they simply die on the vine (which wouldn't seem likely for any player that was really going to make it anyway).
That and it's really not the worst thing in the world if some guys break into the majors as backups for a little while. I mean I know service time and all that but I don't think they have to have a designated starting spot on day one for whatever prospects they bring up.
It's that kind of thinking that leads fans to immediately start speculating on trading the next 5 years of Jorge or whatever just because Dexter Fowler signed a bargain one year contract. I get wanting the young guys to play every day but lots of successful players started in timeshares to begin their careers.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on March 14, 2016, 11:24:13 AM
The last time I was impressed by a switch-hitting Cubs farmhand in spring training was Arismendy Alcantara, and we all know how that turned out. RIP.
So far Mendy's hitting the hell out of the fry cooks and Uber drivers he's been seeing in Spring Training. So...yay?
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on March 14, 2016, 11:43:22 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on March 14, 2016, 11:24:13 AM
The last time I was impressed by a switch-hitting Cubs farmhand in spring training was Arismendy Alcantara, and we all know how that turned out. RIP.
So far Mendy's hitting the hell out of the fry cooks and Uber drivers he's been seeing in Spring Training. So...yay?
I don't expect anything from Mendy but he's talented enough that I'd like to see him get a fair shot vs La Stella. I mean worst case scenario you know La Stella is probably a capable bench guy who can come in once a week, take a few walks, and play passable defense at second. He can be a 25th man or he can spend the summer in Iowa and barring injury to Zobrist or Baez or Bryant I don't think it makes a difference. Mendy could still be a switch-hitting middle infielder/center fielder that can hit 15+ home runs. That would look awfully damn good in a trade if he flashes at all in some MLB games this year.
Quote from: SKO on March 14, 2016, 12:13:12 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on March 14, 2016, 11:43:22 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on March 14, 2016, 11:24:13 AM
The last time I was impressed by a switch-hitting Cubs farmhand in spring training was Arismendy Alcantara, and we all know how that turned out. RIP.
So far Mendy's hitting the hell out of the fry cooks and Uber drivers he's been seeing in Spring Training. So...yay?
I don't expect anything from Mendy but he's talented enough that I'd like to see him get a fair shot vs La Stella. I mean worst case scenario you know La Stella is probably a capable bench guy who can come in once a week, take a few walks, and play passable defense at second. He can be a 25th man or he can spend the summer in Iowa and barring injury to Zobrist or Baez or Bryant I don't think it makes a difference. Mendy could still be a switch-hitting middle infielder/center fielder that can hit 15+ home runs. That would look awfully damn good in a trade if he flashes at all in some MLB games this year.
I know it's not over for him, but Mendy was beyond bad last year.
He's young enough, but that guy from last year barely has any business in AAA, let alone in the majors.
First minor league affiliate to release their lineup: South Bend Cubs. (http://www.milb.com/documents/5/5/0/170411550/South_Bend_Roster_404_0vizzmha.pdf)
Highlights:
-Sands and Steele both make the jump from Eugene, though the pitching doesn't have a ton to be excited about.
- The OF is stacked: Donnie Dewees, Eloy and Eddy Julio, three legit prospects, all of whom are new to this level.
Some other names here and there, though those are the ones to be excited about.
Implications:
- Dylan Cease is going to play short-season in Eugene instead of making the jump. Suppose they're still limiting innings after TJ.
- Oscar De La Cruz is going to stay there too, for now.
DPD - Myrtle Beach Pelicans announced as well. (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20160404&content_id=170403366&vkey=pr_t521&fext=.jsp&sid=t521)
Gleyber and Happ as the double-play combo should be fun to watch.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 04, 2016, 01:32:54 PM
DPD - Myrtle Beach Pelicans announced as well. (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20160404&content_id=170403366&vkey=pr_t521&fext=.jsp&sid=t521)
Gleyber and Happ as the double-play combo should be fun to watch.
Watch? Maybe on days when Hendricks is starting.
Actually, no. Not even then.
Lock this stupid thread.
Quote from: Eli on April 04, 2016, 03:14:55 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 04, 2016, 03:12:48 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 04, 2016, 03:11:46 PM
Lock this stupid thread.
no.
No one wants to hear about Donnie Dewees on Opening Day.
I do.
Not sure why rooting for the Cubs and being excited for the farm system has to be mutually exclusive.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 04, 2016, 03:31:37 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 04, 2016, 03:14:55 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 04, 2016, 03:12:48 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 04, 2016, 03:11:46 PM
Lock this stupid thread.
no.
No one wants to hear about Donnie Dewees on Opening Day.
I do.
Not sure why rooting for the Cubs and being excited for the farm system has to be mutually exclusive.
That's a pretty hairbrained post from Eli.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 20, 2015, 11:10:39 AM
Quote from: Yeti on August 20, 2015, 10:55:58 AM
Quote from: CBStew on August 20, 2015, 10:53:30 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 20, 2015, 09:46:27 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 20, 2015, 09:36:09 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 20, 2015, 09:24:08 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on August 20, 2015, 09:21:25 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 19, 2015, 11:51:47 PM
Des Moines Register reporter Tommy Birch, 31, who frequently covers the Iowa Cubs, was arrested (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2015/08/19/urbandale-businessman-charged-prostitution/31987431/) last night in a Buttpuddle County prostitution sting.
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/77976031b266bdbfc9c0cd79db9622a75239b625/c=46-0-755-533&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/DesMoines/NG/2013/12/14/des.s12xxtommybirch.007.jpg)
His Twitter has gone silent, but you can still ask him questions (https://twitter.com/TommyBirch/status/633725250430177280).
Cut the man some slack. Without hookers, that guy would never get any.
He looks like Gordo and Sullivan's fat lovechild.
Oh, my god.
And I will cut him some slack. As long as all the hookers were over 18, there is no reason this guy's pathetic life should be ruined.
I mean you're not wrong. Prostitution should probably be legal and good for him if that's how he's gonna get his shit broke off.
That said he's just a sad, boring turd on-line with no sense of humor so I don't like him based on that. I hope he doesn't get punched while he's in jail.
Yeah. Yeah. I know. Prostitution is a crime against women, even though the majority of prostitutes are women. The prostitutes are doing it because they are victims of society, etc., etc. Now that I have admitted that, would someone tell me who was really hurt by his "crime" badly enough to put him in our overcrowded prison system?
God
Well, now Subway has to reopen auditions...
http://www.theiowastatesman.com/4845/that-time-the-des-moines-register-buried-the-arrest-of-one-of-their-own-to-hype-the-arrest-of-republicans-as-told-by
Also, not always a victimless crime:
https://vimeo.com/88609099
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 03:34:54 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 04, 2016, 03:31:37 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 04, 2016, 03:14:55 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 04, 2016, 03:12:48 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 04, 2016, 03:11:46 PM
Lock this stupid thread.
no.
No one wants to hear about Donnie Dewees on Opening Day.
I do.
Not sure why rooting for the Cubs and being excited for the farm system has to be mutually exclusive.
That's a pretty hairbrained post from Eli.
Yeah, I'd say the farm system is still a pretty integral part of the whole "sustained success" thing that Jepstink has been building.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 04, 2016, 04:03:23 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 03:34:54 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 04, 2016, 03:31:37 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 04, 2016, 03:14:55 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 04, 2016, 03:12:48 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 04, 2016, 03:11:46 PM
Lock this stupid thread.
no.
No one wants to hear about Donnie Dewees on Opening Day.
I do.
Not sure why rooting for the Cubs and being excited for the farm system has to be mutually exclusive.
That's a pretty hairbrained post from Eli.
Yeah, I'd say the farm system is still a pretty integral part of the whole "sustained success" thing that Jepstink has been building.
On that front, I didn't keep up with the Cubs that much this spring what with life and all that, but I did see a lot of Albert Almora in the highlights. That dude plays a mean CF, which we already knew, but it was great to see it on the TV machine. Is he still a liability with the bat or is he progressing?
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 04:05:58 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 04, 2016, 04:03:23 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 03:34:54 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 04, 2016, 03:31:37 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 04, 2016, 03:14:55 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 04, 2016, 03:12:48 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 04, 2016, 03:11:46 PM
Lock this stupid thread.
no.
No one wants to hear about Donnie Dewees on Opening Day.
I do.
Not sure why rooting for the Cubs and being excited for the farm system has to be mutually exclusive.
That's a pretty hairbrained post from Eli.
Yeah, I'd say the farm system is still a pretty integral part of the whole "sustained success" thing that Jepstink has been building.
On that front, I didn't keep up with the Cubs that much this spring what with life and all that, but I did see a lot of Albert Almora in the highlights. That dude plays a mean CF, which we already knew, but it was great to see it on the TV machine. Is he still a liability with the bat or is he progressing?
I only saw him in the game against the Mets in Vegas, and everything went to the right side. Anybody know is going oppo is by design or if he was just late on everything?
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 04, 2016, 04:13:42 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 04:05:58 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 04, 2016, 04:03:23 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 03:34:54 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 04, 2016, 03:31:37 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 04, 2016, 03:14:55 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 04, 2016, 03:12:48 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 04, 2016, 03:11:46 PM
Lock this stupid thread.
no.
No one wants to hear about Donnie Dewees on Opening Day.
I do.
Not sure why rooting for the Cubs and being excited for the farm system has to be mutually exclusive.
That's a pretty hairbrained post from Eli.
Yeah, I'd say the farm system is still a pretty integral part of the whole "sustained success" thing that Jepstink has been building.
On that front, I didn't keep up with the Cubs that much this spring what with life and all that, but I did see a lot of Albert Almora in the highlights. That dude plays a mean CF, which we already knew, but it was great to see it on the TV machine. Is he still a liability with the bat or is he progressing?
I only saw him in the game against the Mets in Vegas, and everything went to the right side. Anybody know is going oppo is by design or if he was just late on everything?
I admit. I don't know. It would be really weird if he was late on EVERYTHING regardless of pitch speed. Like fucking impossible to do while still making some contact.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 04, 2016, 04:44:38 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 04, 2016, 04:13:42 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 04:05:58 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 04, 2016, 04:03:23 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 04, 2016, 03:34:54 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 04, 2016, 03:31:37 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 04, 2016, 03:14:55 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 04, 2016, 03:12:48 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 04, 2016, 03:11:46 PM
Lock this stupid thread.
no.
No one wants to hear about Donnie Dewees on Opening Day.
I do.
Not sure why rooting for the Cubs and being excited for the farm system has to be mutually exclusive.
That's a pretty hairbrained post from Eli.
Yeah, I'd say the farm system is still a pretty integral part of the whole "sustained success" thing that Jepstink has been building.
On that front, I didn't keep up with the Cubs that much this spring what with life and all that, but I did see a lot of Albert Almora in the highlights. That dude plays a mean CF, which we already knew, but it was great to see it on the TV machine. Is he still a liability with the bat or is he progressing?
I only saw him in the game against the Mets in Vegas, and everything went to the right side. Anybody know is going oppo is by design or if he was just late on everything?
I admit. I don't know. It would be really weird if he was late on EVERYTHING regardless of pitch speed. Like fucking impossible to do while still making some contact.
Almora hit .244/.255/.311 in Spring Training.
11-45 with 3 doubles, 7Ks and 1 BB.
Could have been way worse, but still pretty shitty.
CT said it best, Eli
Quote from: CT III on May 14, 2015, 09:10:43 PM
The big club is interesting again, you weird minor league following pederasts can close this thread down now.
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 05:43:43 PM
CT said it best, Eli
Quote from: CT III on May 14, 2015, 09:10:43 PM
The big club is interesting again, you weird minor league following pederasts can close this thread down now.
Exactly.
Quote from: Eli on April 05, 2016, 08:15:31 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 05:43:43 PM
CT said it best, Eli
Quote from: CT III on May 14, 2015, 09:10:43 PM
The big club is interesting again, you weird minor league following pederasts can close this thread down now.
Exactly.
I mean I'm going to go to quite a few Iowa Cubs games and I don't mind the occasional update on how some guys are doing but the days of breathlessly following minor league rosters and box scores are done for now as far as I'm concerned.
Quote from: SKO on April 05, 2016, 08:34:03 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 05, 2016, 08:15:31 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 05:43:43 PM
CT said it best, Eli
Quote from: CT III on May 14, 2015, 09:10:43 PM
The big club is interesting again, you weird minor league following pederasts can close this thread down now.
Exactly.
I mean I'm going to go to quite a few Iowa Cubs games and I don't mind the occasional update on how some guys are doing but the days of breathlessly following minor league rosters and box scores are done for now as far as I'm concerned.
I was obviously kidding when I said to lock the thread, but it's true that most of the system will be depth pieces or trade bait in the next 3 years. I think the most interesting outcome will be if (when?) Theo pulls his first huge trade to consolidate some of this talent/depth into a big major-league piece.
Quote from: Eli on April 05, 2016, 09:46:17 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 05, 2016, 08:34:03 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 05, 2016, 08:15:31 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 05:43:43 PM
CT said it best, Eli
Quote from: CT III on May 14, 2015, 09:10:43 PM
The big club is interesting again, you weird minor league following pederasts can close this thread down now.
Exactly.
I mean I'm going to go to quite a few Iowa Cubs games and I don't mind the occasional update on how some guys are doing but the days of breathlessly following minor league rosters and box scores are done for now as far as I'm concerned.
I was obviously kidding when I said to lock the thread, but it's true that most of the system will be depth pieces or trade bait in the next 3 years. I think the most interesting outcome will be if (when?) Theo pulls his first huge trade to consolidate some of this talent/depth into a big major-league piece.
Understanding that they are all mostly trade pieces with the exception of any catching or pitching depth they manage to develop, I just think it's nice to know what's in the cupboard come July 31.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 05, 2016, 10:05:17 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 05, 2016, 09:46:17 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 05, 2016, 08:34:03 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 05, 2016, 08:15:31 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 05:43:43 PM
CT said it best, Eli
Quote from: CT III on May 14, 2015, 09:10:43 PM
The big club is interesting again, you weird minor league following pederasts can close this thread down now.
Exactly.
I mean I'm going to go to quite a few Iowa Cubs games and I don't mind the occasional update on how some guys are doing but the days of breathlessly following minor league rosters and box scores are done for now as far as I'm concerned.
I was obviously kidding when I said to lock the thread, but it's true that most of the system will be depth pieces or trade bait in the next 3 years. I think the most interesting outcome will be if (when?) Theo pulls his first huge trade to consolidate some of this talent/depth into a big major-league piece.
Understanding that they are all mostly trade pieces with the exception of any catching or pitching depth they manage to develop, I just think it's nice to know what's in the cupboard come July 31.
Considering that they traded Castro and at least entertained offers for Baez and Soler this offseason, I don't know that it's fair to say that none of these guys are going to be key pieces on future teams. Certainly all the pitchers are in play and a handful of the top hitters probably shouldn't be ruled out (Gleyber, Happ, Eloy, Eddy Julio, Contreras, even Almora with Fowler only on a 1-year deal--that might be it.)
Quote from: PenFoe on April 05, 2016, 11:01:54 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 05, 2016, 10:05:17 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 05, 2016, 09:46:17 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 05, 2016, 08:34:03 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 05, 2016, 08:15:31 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 05:43:43 PM
CT said it best, Eli
Quote from: CT III on May 14, 2015, 09:10:43 PM
The big club is interesting again, you weird minor league following pederasts can close this thread down now.
Exactly.
I mean I'm going to go to quite a few Iowa Cubs games and I don't mind the occasional update on how some guys are doing but the days of breathlessly following minor league rosters and box scores are done for now as far as I'm concerned.
I was obviously kidding when I said to lock the thread, but it's true that most of the system will be depth pieces or trade bait in the next 3 years. I think the most interesting outcome will be if (when?) Theo pulls his first huge trade to consolidate some of this talent/depth into a big major-league piece.
Understanding that they are all mostly trade pieces with the exception of any catching or pitching depth they manage to develop, I just think it's nice to know what's in the cupboard come July 31.
Considering that they traded Castro and at least entertained offers for Baez and Soler this offseason, I don't know that it's fair to say that none of these guys are going to be key pieces on future teams. Certainly all the pitchers are in play and a handful of the top hitters probably shouldn't be ruled out (Gleyber, Happ, Eloy, Eddy Julio, Contreras, even Almora with Fowler only on a 1-year deal--that might be it.)
Yeah I don't get this prospect apathy at all. Fowler, Zobrist, Montero may all be gone/not good due to age within the next year or two. I don't think winning now has to be at odds with prospects actually coming up and playing. As evidenced by the 2015 Cubs.
Quote from: R-V on April 05, 2016, 11:43:33 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 05, 2016, 11:01:54 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 05, 2016, 10:05:17 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 05, 2016, 09:46:17 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 05, 2016, 08:34:03 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 05, 2016, 08:15:31 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 05:43:43 PM
CT said it best, Eli
Quote from: CT III on May 14, 2015, 09:10:43 PM
The big club is interesting again, you weird minor league following pederasts can close this thread down now.
Exactly.
I mean I'm going to go to quite a few Iowa Cubs games and I don't mind the occasional update on how some guys are doing but the days of breathlessly following minor league rosters and box scores are done for now as far as I'm concerned.
I was obviously kidding when I said to lock the thread, but it's true that most of the system will be depth pieces or trade bait in the next 3 years. I think the most interesting outcome will be if (when?) Theo pulls his first huge trade to consolidate some of this talent/depth into a big major-league piece.
Understanding that they are all mostly trade pieces with the exception of any catching or pitching depth they manage to develop, I just think it's nice to know what's in the cupboard come July 31.
Considering that they traded Castro and at least entertained offers for Baez and Soler this offseason, I don't know that it's fair to say that none of these guys are going to be key pieces on future teams. Certainly all the pitchers are in play and a handful of the top hitters probably shouldn't be ruled out (Gleyber, Happ, Eloy, Eddy Julio, Contreras, even Almora with Fowler only on a 1-year deal--that might be it.)
Yeah I don't get this prospect apathy at all. Fowler, Zobrist, Montero may all be gone/not good due to age within the next year or two. I don't think winning now has to be at odds with prospects actually coming up and playing. As evidenced by the 2015 Cubs.
I don't know that it's apathy so much as "who really cares about the roster of the South Bend Cubs?" Pen can post in here when Ian Happ hits another dong or Gleyber is hitting .300, but as for MAN THAT SOUTH BEND OUTFIELD LOOKS STRONG or whatever, who gives a shit? Those games don't matter, and they're not close to being the most interesting thing about the org like they used to be.
If I can project on Eli and make an assumption based on his general line of thinking, I think his problem is that getting too invested in these minor league teams and players at this point is just going to lead to more prospect hugging and bitching whenever Theo inevitably moves players in a deadline deal. I mean I could give two shits if Gleyber Torres was traded for pitching tomorrow, but someone's definitely going to say HOW COULD THEO DO THAT, and that already pisses me off.
Quote from: SKO on April 05, 2016, 11:49:03 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 05, 2016, 11:43:33 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 05, 2016, 11:01:54 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 05, 2016, 10:05:17 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 05, 2016, 09:46:17 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 05, 2016, 08:34:03 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 05, 2016, 08:15:31 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 05:43:43 PM
CT said it best, Eli
Quote from: CT III on May 14, 2015, 09:10:43 PM
The big club is interesting again, you weird minor league following pederasts can close this thread down now.
Exactly.
I mean I'm going to go to quite a few Iowa Cubs games and I don't mind the occasional update on how some guys are doing but the days of breathlessly following minor league rosters and box scores are done for now as far as I'm concerned.
I was obviously kidding when I said to lock the thread, but it's true that most of the system will be depth pieces or trade bait in the next 3 years. I think the most interesting outcome will be if (when?) Theo pulls his first huge trade to consolidate some of this talent/depth into a big major-league piece.
Understanding that they are all mostly trade pieces with the exception of any catching or pitching depth they manage to develop, I just think it's nice to know what's in the cupboard come July 31.
Considering that they traded Castro and at least entertained offers for Baez and Soler this offseason, I don't know that it's fair to say that none of these guys are going to be key pieces on future teams. Certainly all the pitchers are in play and a handful of the top hitters probably shouldn't be ruled out (Gleyber, Happ, Eloy, Eddy Julio, Contreras, even Almora with Fowler only on a 1-year deal--that might be it.)
Yeah I don't get this prospect apathy at all. Fowler, Zobrist, Montero may all be gone/not good due to age within the next year or two. I don't think winning now has to be at odds with prospects actually coming up and playing. As evidenced by the 2015 Cubs.
I don't know that it's apathy so much as "who really cares about the roster of the South Bend Cubs?" Pen can post in here when Ian Happ hits another dong or Gleyber is hitting .300, but as for MAN THAT SOUTH BEND OUTFIELD LOOKS STRONG or whatever, who gives a shit? Those games don't matter, and they're not close to being the most interesting thing about the org like they used to be.
If I can project on Eli and make an assumption based on his general line of thinking, I think his problem is that getting too invested in these minor league teams and players at this point is just going to lead to more prospect hugging and bitching whenever Theo inevitably moves players in a deadline deal. I mean I could give two shits if Gleyber Torres was traded for pitching tomorrow, but someone's definitely going to say HOW COULD THEO DO THAT, and that already pisses me off.
Well, last year at the trade deadline they really needed a 5th starter, though a 3 or 4 would have been better - and might have contributed in the playoffs. But they weren't in a position or mind state to trade anything more than what they gave up for Haren, who was pretty close to the bottom of the barrel. Would that they'd had a highly-touted and validated prospect or two, blocked at the big league level that they could have flipped for someone who threw harder than 88 mph tops. If such people exist, I'd be happy to know about it. If anybody freaks out when those players are dealt, that freak should be dealt with accordingly. But I won't discourage people who like minor league baseball from posting here so that I can stay marginally informed about the situation.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 05, 2016, 12:14:26 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 05, 2016, 11:49:03 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 05, 2016, 11:43:33 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 05, 2016, 11:01:54 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 05, 2016, 10:05:17 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 05, 2016, 09:46:17 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 05, 2016, 08:34:03 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 05, 2016, 08:15:31 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 05:43:43 PM
CT said it best, Eli
Quote from: CT III on May 14, 2015, 09:10:43 PM
The big club is interesting again, you weird minor league following pederasts can close this thread down now.
Exactly.
I mean I'm going to go to quite a few Iowa Cubs games and I don't mind the occasional update on how some guys are doing but the days of breathlessly following minor league rosters and box scores are done for now as far as I'm concerned.
I was obviously kidding when I said to lock the thread, but it's true that most of the system will be depth pieces or trade bait in the next 3 years. I think the most interesting outcome will be if (when?) Theo pulls his first huge trade to consolidate some of this talent/depth into a big major-league piece.
Understanding that they are all mostly trade pieces with the exception of any catching or pitching depth they manage to develop, I just think it's nice to know what's in the cupboard come July 31.
Considering that they traded Castro and at least entertained offers for Baez and Soler this offseason, I don't know that it's fair to say that none of these guys are going to be key pieces on future teams. Certainly all the pitchers are in play and a handful of the top hitters probably shouldn't be ruled out (Gleyber, Happ, Eloy, Eddy Julio, Contreras, even Almora with Fowler only on a 1-year deal--that might be it.)
Yeah I don't get this prospect apathy at all. Fowler, Zobrist, Montero may all be gone/not good due to age within the next year or two. I don't think winning now has to be at odds with prospects actually coming up and playing. As evidenced by the 2015 Cubs.
I don't know that it's apathy so much as "who really cares about the roster of the South Bend Cubs?" Pen can post in here when Ian Happ hits another dong or Gleyber is hitting .300, but as for MAN THAT SOUTH BEND OUTFIELD LOOKS STRONG or whatever, who gives a shit? Those games don't matter, and they're not close to being the most interesting thing about the org like they used to be.
If I can project on Eli and make an assumption based on his general line of thinking, I think his problem is that getting too invested in these minor league teams and players at this point is just going to lead to more prospect hugging and bitching whenever Theo inevitably moves players in a deadline deal. I mean I could give two shits if Gleyber Torres was traded for pitching tomorrow, but someone's definitely going to say HOW COULD THEO DO THAT, and that already pisses me off.
Well, last year at the trade deadline they really needed a 5th starter, though a 3 or 4 would have been better - and might have contributed in the playoffs. But they weren't in a position or mind state to trade anything more than what they gave up for Haren, who was pretty close to the bottom of the barrel. Would that they'd had a highly-touted and validated prospect or two, blocked at the big league level that they could have flipped for someone who threw harder than 88 mph tops. If such people exist, I'd be happy to know about it. If anybody freaks out when those players are dealt, that freak should be dealt with accordingly. But I won't discourage people who like minor league baseball from posting here so that I can stay marginally informed about the situation.
This is Desipio, the whole point is to encourage people not to post about things until eventually we get the beloved silence we've always wanted.
Quote from: SKO on April 05, 2016, 12:22:48 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 05, 2016, 12:14:26 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 05, 2016, 11:49:03 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 05, 2016, 11:43:33 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 05, 2016, 11:01:54 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 05, 2016, 10:05:17 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 05, 2016, 09:46:17 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 05, 2016, 08:34:03 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 05, 2016, 08:15:31 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 05:43:43 PM
CT said it best, Eli
Quote from: CT III on May 14, 2015, 09:10:43 PM
The big club is interesting again, you weird minor league following pederasts can close this thread down now.
Exactly.
I mean I'm going to go to quite a few Iowa Cubs games and I don't mind the occasional update on how some guys are doing but the days of breathlessly following minor league rosters and box scores are done for now as far as I'm concerned.
I was obviously kidding when I said to lock the thread, but it's true that most of the system will be depth pieces or trade bait in the next 3 years. I think the most interesting outcome will be if (when?) Theo pulls his first huge trade to consolidate some of this talent/depth into a big major-league piece.
Understanding that they are all mostly trade pieces with the exception of any catching or pitching depth they manage to develop, I just think it's nice to know what's in the cupboard come July 31.
Considering that they traded Castro and at least entertained offers for Baez and Soler this offseason, I don't know that it's fair to say that none of these guys are going to be key pieces on future teams. Certainly all the pitchers are in play and a handful of the top hitters probably shouldn't be ruled out (Gleyber, Happ, Eloy, Eddy Julio, Contreras, even Almora with Fowler only on a 1-year deal--that might be it.)
Yeah I don't get this prospect apathy at all. Fowler, Zobrist, Montero may all be gone/not good due to age within the next year or two. I don't think winning now has to be at odds with prospects actually coming up and playing. As evidenced by the 2015 Cubs.
I don't know that it's apathy so much as "who really cares about the roster of the South Bend Cubs?" Pen can post in here when Ian Happ hits another dong or Gleyber is hitting .300, but as for MAN THAT SOUTH BEND OUTFIELD LOOKS STRONG or whatever, who gives a shit? Those games don't matter, and they're not close to being the most interesting thing about the org like they used to be.
If I can project on Eli and make an assumption based on his general line of thinking, I think his problem is that getting too invested in these minor league teams and players at this point is just going to lead to more prospect hugging and bitching whenever Theo inevitably moves players in a deadline deal. I mean I could give two shits if Gleyber Torres was traded for pitching tomorrow, but someone's definitely going to say HOW COULD THEO DO THAT, and that already pisses me off.
Well, last year at the trade deadline they really needed a 5th starter, though a 3 or 4 would have been better - and might have contributed in the playoffs. But they weren't in a position or mind state to trade anything more than what they gave up for Haren, who was pretty close to the bottom of the barrel. Would that they'd had a highly-touted and validated prospect or two, blocked at the big league level that they could have flipped for someone who threw harder than 88 mph tops. If such people exist, I'd be happy to know about it. If anybody freaks out when those players are dealt, that freak should be dealt with accordingly. But I won't discourage people who like minor league baseball from posting here so that I can stay marginally informed about the situation.
This is Desipio, the whole point is to encourage people not to post about things until eventually we get the beloved silence we've always wanted.
I'm about to drop 5000 words on my minor league prospect blog about Tommy Thorpe if y'all want to read it.
Quote from: Eli on April 05, 2016, 09:46:17 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 05, 2016, 08:34:03 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 05, 2016, 08:15:31 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 04, 2016, 05:43:43 PM
CT said it best, Eli
Quote from: CT III on May 14, 2015, 09:10:43 PM
The big club is interesting again, you weird minor league following pederasts can close this thread down now.
Exactly.
I mean I'm going to go to quite a few Iowa Cubs games and I don't mind the occasional update on how some guys are doing but the days of breathlessly following minor league rosters and box scores are done for now as far as I'm concerned.
I was obviously kidding when I said to lock the thread, but it's true that most of the system will be depth pieces or trade bait in the next 3 years. I think the most interesting outcome will be if (when?) Theo pulls his first huge trade to consolidate some of this talent/depth into a big major-league piece.
There is a lot of interesting and intriguing pitching in the lower minor leagues right now that we all should be keeping our eyes on.
I really don't think anyone who frequents this site or who has anything other than shit for brains will freak out if the Cubs trade Gleyber or Contreras for a Sonny Gray/Tyson Ross level starter.
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I really don't think anyone who frequents this site or who has anything other than shit for brains will freak out if the Cubs trade Gleyber or Contreras for a Sonny Gray/Tyson Ross level starter.
Tyson Ross was terrible yesterday, so I don't want to do that trade.
If he's better next time, then I'm back in.
Quote from: R-V on April 05, 2016, 12:34:50 PM
I really don't think anyone who frequents this site or who has anything other than shit for brains will freak out if the Cubs trade Gleyber or Contreras for a Sonny Gray/Tyson Ross level starter.
Does it need to be that high? What if it's a guy that's just a pretty solid number 3 with multiple years of control? Are we going to bitch, or think maybe Epstoyer knows something about the guy's ceiling we don't?
That's a different kind of prospect hugging. The Cubs will probably overpay in prospects at some point for somebody and it'll be okay because they need whatever they trade for more than they need the redundant prospects they trade, even if your latest Baseball America ranking says the Cubs got jobbed or whatever.
I mean it's cool that Gleyber is highly rated but he's also drawn Freddy Sanchez comps. That guy was a fine player but I can't blame the Indians if they don't think that's worth a #1 starter, but I worry people are going to bitch at Theo if he trades Freddy Jr for a #3 starter at the deadline that they need because Lackey swallowed a big ass bug and Jason Hammel is doing that Jason Hammel thing and somebody finally figured out that Kyle Hendricks is really hittable.
Hence the reason I'm just good with the guys we have and willing to let things come as they may with where the next crop ends up in this organization or anyone else's.
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Quote from: R-V on April 05, 2016, 12:34:50 PM
I really don't think anyone who frequents this site or who has anything other than shit for brains will freak out if the Cubs trade Gleyber or Contreras for a Sonny Gray/Tyson Ross level starter.
Does it need to be that high? What if it's a guy that's just a pretty solid number 3 with multiple years of control? Are we going to bitch, or think maybe Epstoyer knows something about the guy's ceiling we don't?
That's a different kind of prospect hugging. The Cubs will probably overpay in prospects at some point for somebody and it'll be okay because they need whatever they trade for more than they need the redundant prospects they trade, even if your latest Baseball America ranking says the Cubs got jobbed or whatever.
I mean it's cool that Gleyber is highly rated but he's also drawn Freddy Sanchez comps. That guy was a fine player but I can't blame the Indians if they don't think that's worth a #1 starter, but I worry people are going to bitch at Theo if he trades Freddy Jr for a #3 starter at the deadline that they need because Lackey swallowed a big ass bug and Jason Hammel is doing that Jason Hammel thing and somebody finally figured out that Kyle Hendricks is really hittable.
Hence the reason I'm just good with the guys we have and willing to let things come as they may with where the next crop ends up in this organization or anyone else's.
Absolutely. The only guys I would have a sad over for a short while would be Contreras (because if he's as good as he showed last year, that's one of the hardest commodities to find in the game) and Cease (because the thought of a homegrown ace who throws 98-100 regularly is fun).
If the Indians are going to contend this year as a lot of people think they will, why would they want to trade any of their arms? And if they did because their offense sucks, I assume they will be looking for a more established bat than Soler or Baez.
Quote from: R-V on April 05, 2016, 12:34:50 PM
I really don't think anyone who frequents this site or who has anything other than shit for brains will freak out if the Cubs trade Gleyber or Contreras for a Sonny Gray/Tyson Ross level starter.
Oh, somebody will, at least for a moment. But yeah, I think most people here understand the purpose of a farm system is to provide the big league club with talent, whether it's through trade or promotion.
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Quote from: R-V on April 05, 2016, 12:34:50 PM
I really don't think anyone who frequents this site or who has anything other than shit for brains will freak out if the Cubs trade Gleyber or Contreras for a Sonny Gray/Tyson Ross level starter.
Oh, somebody will, at least for a moment. But yeah, I think most people here understand the purpose of a farm system is to provide the big league club with talent, whether it's through trade or promotion.
That's a big assumption, because we have all spent approximately 20 years under the shadow of the pre-Theo front office. We learned that winters are bitter, and summers are filled with cold light shining on prospects who are mostly just padding their resumes for baseball in Japan, or jobs as high school gym teachers. We could all list our Top 5 favourite failed prospects, and we might not even have many names crossing over onto multiple lists.
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I really don't think anyone who frequents this site or who has anything other than shit for brains will freak out if the Cubs trade Gleyber or Contreras for a Sonny Gray/Tyson Ross level starter.
Oh, somebody will, at least for a moment. But yeah, I think most people here understand the purpose of a farm system is to provide the big league club with talent, whether it's through trade or promotion.
That's a big assumption, because we have all spent approximately 20 years under the shadow of the pre-Theo front office. We learned that winters are bitter, and summers are filled with cold light shining on prospects who are mostly just padding their resumes for baseball in Japan, or jobs as high school gym teachers. We could all list our Top 5 favourite failed prospects, and we might not even have many names crossing over onto multiple lists.
Man, why you gotta bring up old shit?
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I really don't think anyone who frequents this site or who has anything other than shit for brains will freak out if the Cubs trade Gleyber or Contreras for a Sonny Gray/Tyson Ross level starter.
Oh, somebody will, at least for a moment. But yeah, I think most people here understand the purpose of a farm system is to provide the big league club with talent, whether it's through trade or promotion.
That's a big assumption, because we have all spent approximately 20 years under the shadow of the pre-Theo front office. We learned that winters are bitter, and summers are filled with cold light shining on prospects who are mostly just padding their resumes for baseball in Japan, or jobs as high school gym teachers. We could all list our Top 5 favourite failed prospects, and we might not even have many names crossing over onto multiple lists.
Man, why you gotta bring up old shit?
Because I spent my formative years believing in players like Roosevelt Brown and Courtney Duncan, okay? You don't just come back from shit like that!
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I really don't think anyone who frequents this site or who has anything other than shit for brains will freak out if the Cubs trade Gleyber or Contreras for a Sonny Gray/Tyson Ross level starter.
Oh, somebody will, at least for a moment. But yeah, I think most people here understand the purpose of a farm system is to provide the big league club with talent, whether it's through trade or promotion.
That's a big assumption, because we have all spent approximately 20 years under the shadow of the pre-Theo front office. We learned that winters are bitter, and summers are filled with cold light shining on prospects who are mostly just padding their resumes for baseball in Japan, or jobs as high school gym teachers. We could all list our Top 5 favourite failed prospects, and we might not even have many names crossing over onto multiple lists.
Man, why you gotta bring up old shit?
Because I spent my formative years believing in players like Roosevelt Brown and Courtney Duncan, okay? You don't just come back from shit like that!
The great thing about the Cubs being so fucking stacked is that anybody who gets the call to crack this roster is going to have to be really fucking good, David Ross notwithstanding.
I'd still like to hear about how the prospects are doing.
Eloy Jiminez walks off with a HR: https://youtu.be/LeVa3wBJ3dM (https://youtu.be/LeVa3wBJ3dM)
Ian (!!!) Happ walks off with a long double to center: https://youtu.be/O3PSsAjQEOA (https://youtu.be/O3PSsAjQEOA)
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Eloy Jiminez walks off with a HR: https://youtu.be/LeVa3wBJ3dM (https://youtu.be/LeVa3wBJ3dM)
Ian (!!!) Happ walks off with a long double to center: https://youtu.be/O3PSsAjQEOA (https://youtu.be/O3PSsAjQEOA)
4 hits and 2 steals for Eloy tonight.
2 hits and 2 steals for Donnie Dewees.
2 more hits for Ian Happ.
Great bounce back start from Ryan Williams in Iowa after getting shelled on Opening Day.
Nice start from Carson Sands in SB, just turned 21.
As young and talented as some of these guys are, it really puts into perspective Addison Russell, who isn't much older and doing this at the major league level.
Sands and Eloy are totally legit prospects, on a completely appropriate trajectory, and they're miles behind Russell despite being only 10 (Sands) and 22 months (Eloy) younger.
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Eloy Jiminez walks off with a HR: https://youtu.be/LeVa3wBJ3dM (https://youtu.be/LeVa3wBJ3dM)
Ian (!!!) Happ walks off with a long double to center: https://youtu.be/O3PSsAjQEOA (https://youtu.be/O3PSsAjQEOA)
4 hits and 2 steals for Eloy tonight.
2 hits and 2 steals for Donnie Dewees.
2 more hits for Ian Happ.
Great bounce back start from Ryan Williams in Iowa after getting shelled on Opening Day.
Nice start from Carson Sands in SB, just turned 21.
As young and talented as some of these guys are, it really puts into perspective Addison Russell, who isn't much older and doing this at the major league level.
Sands and Eloy are totally legit prospects, on a completely appropriate trajectory, and they're miles behind Russell despite being only 10 (Sands) and 22 months (Eloy) younger.
Not sure if *only 22 months* is a thing. That's essentially 2 years.
But to back your point, I don't see Jimenez being in the majors in less than 2 years.
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Eloy Jiminez walks off with a HR: https://youtu.be/LeVa3wBJ3dM (https://youtu.be/LeVa3wBJ3dM)
Ian (!!!) Happ walks off with a long double to center: https://youtu.be/O3PSsAjQEOA (https://youtu.be/O3PSsAjQEOA)
4 hits and 2 steals for Eloy tonight.
2 hits and 2 steals for Donnie Dewees.
2 more hits for Ian Happ.
Great bounce back start from Ryan Williams in Iowa after getting shelled on Opening Day.
Nice start from Carson Sands in SB, just turned 21.
As young and talented as some of these guys are, it really puts into perspective Addison Russell, who isn't much older and doing this at the major league level.
Sands and Eloy are totally legit prospects, on a completely appropriate trajectory, and they're miles behind Russell despite being only 10 (Sands) and 22 months (Eloy) younger.
Not sure if *only 22 months* is a thing. That's essentially 2 years.
But to back your point, I don't see Jimenez being in the majors in less than 2 years.
Well, Russell was in the majors almost a year ago (debuted 4/21/15). So let's see where Eloy is 10 months from now. Which is when Sands will be the age that Russell is now. And Russell will be the age that Schwarber is now. And Schwarber will hopefully be preparing to start raking again in the Cactus League. Amen.
* whispers *
Albert Almora is slashing .341/.396/.463/.859 with 5 walks in 46 Plate Appearances
Quote from: PANK! on April 22, 2016, 11:26:26 AM
* whispers *
Albert Almora is slashing .341/.396/.463/.859 with 5 walks in 46 Plate Appearances
I noticed that as well. Setting aside the offense for a second - because I'm sure Eli will be along momentarily to give us league-adjusted numbers that tell us Almora actually sucks - I'm having visions of a Fowler/Almora/Heyward late-game defensive alignment in September & October. That would be a Pirates/Royals level defensive outfield.
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* whispers *
Albert Almora is slashing .341/.396/.463/.859 with 5 walks in 46 Plate Appearances
I noticed that as well. Setting aside the offense for a second - because I'm sure Eli will be along momentarily to give us league-adjusted numbers that tell us Almora actually sucks - I'm having visions of a Fowler/Almora/Heyward late-game defensive alignment in September & October. That would be a Pirates/Royals level defensive outfield.
The year is young...but, considering Fowler's success in a Cubs uniform to date and his apparent affection by and for his teammates off the field, do the Cubs have a decision to make about CF in 2017?
Sorry for looking ahead, but it's a legit question I think.
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* whispers *
Albert Almora is slashing .341/.396/.463/.859 with 5 walks in 46 Plate Appearances
I noticed that as well. Setting aside the offense for a second - because I'm sure Eli will be along momentarily to give us league-adjusted numbers that tell us Almora actually sucks - I'm having visions of a Fowler/Almora/Heyward late-game defensive alignment in September & October. That would be a Pirates/Royals level defensive outfield.
The year is young...but, considering Fowler's success in a Cubs uniform to date and his apparent affection by and for his teammates off the field, do the Cubs have a decision to make about CF in 2017?
Sorry for looking ahead, but it's a legit question I think.
Who knows. I have no idea what the market will be for Fowler given how badly we underestimated it this year. I think the "Heyward in Center For a Year or Two" option would still work too if they don't want to hand anything to Almora, provided Schwarber comes back healthy enough to play left next year and Jorge hopefully locks down right field full time. Either way it'll be an interesting situation to monitor.
Also RV I definitely think we'll see Almora as a September call up for defense alone.
Here's a somewhat unrelated thought: if Fowler hadn't shocked us all and come back at the last minute, then the Schwarber injury would've felt a lot more catastrophic than it did at the time.
(Although, if Fowler hadn't come back, who's to say if that collision would've happened with Heyward? Or maybe it would've been even worse, with both Schwabe and Heyward injured?)
Quote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 12:19:27 PM
Here's a somewhat unrelated thought: if Fowler hadn't shocked us all and come back at the last minute, then the Schwarber injury would've felt a lot more catastrophic than it did at the time.
(Although, if Fowler hadn't come back, who's to say if that collision would've happened with Heyward? Or maybe it would've been even worse, with both Schwabe and Heyward injured?)
Interesting thought experiment. You should turn it in to a movie.
Quote from: ChuckD on April 22, 2016, 01:46:50 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on April 22, 2016, 12:19:27 PM
Here's a somewhat unrelated thought: if Fowler hadn't shocked us all and come back at the last minute, then the Schwarber injury would've felt a lot more catastrophic than it did at the time.
(Although, if Fowler hadn't come back, who's to say if that collision would've happened with Heyward? Or maybe it would've been even worse, with both Schwabe and Heyward injured?)
Interesting thought experiment. You should turn it in to a movie.
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Sliding Doors, because you slide in baseball, and also "Break On Through" is on the soundtrack."
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Thanks for the headers. Really helps us understand what in the fuck we're looking at without having to deduce it otherwise.
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No one wants to hear about Donnie Dewees on Opening Day.
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FYE
Thanks for the headers. Really helps us understand what in the fuck we're looking at without having to deduce it otherwise.
Sorry, I thought we were all pretty familiar with how BR works.
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Lock this stupid thread.
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No one wants to hear about Donnie Dewees on Opening Day.
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FYE
Thanks for the headers. Really helps us understand what in the fuck we're looking at without having to deduce it otherwise.
Sorry, I thought we were all pretty familiar with how BR works.
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Even *I* don't have all of those headers memorized.
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Lock this stupid thread.
no.
No one wants to hear about Donnie Dewees on Opening Day.
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FYE
Thanks for the headers. Really helps us understand what in the fuck we're looking at without having to deduce it otherwise.
Sorry, I thought we were all pretty familiar with how BR works.
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Even *I* don't have all of those headers memorized.
The slash line is pretty easy to figure out.
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Lock this stupid thread.
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That's pretty much what 22-year-old top college prospect should be doing in low A ball.
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That's pretty much what 22-year-old top college prospect should be doing in low A ball.
Yeah, I don't get this PenFoe post at all.
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That's pretty much what 22-year-old top college prospect should be doing in low A ball.
Yeah, I don't get this PenFoe post at all.
I remember last year when Pen was all excited about 40 year old, twice-divorced Ryan Williams giving it his all in A Ball and dominating some 16 year old kids. Now he's getting his shit rocked in AAA.
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That's pretty much what 22-year-old top college prospect should be doing in low A ball.
Yeah, I don't get this PenFoe post at all.
I remember last year when Pen was all excited about 40 year old, twice-divorced Ryan Williams giving it his all in A Ball and dominating some 16 year old kids. Now he's getting his shit rocked in AAA.
Having one shit outing out of 4 doesn't equate to getting his shit rocked, to be fair.
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That's pretty much what 22-year-old top college prospect should be doing in low A ball.
Yeah, I don't get this PenFoe post at all.
I remember last year when Pen was all excited about 40 year old, twice-divorced Ryan Williams giving it his all in A Ball and dominating some 16 year old kids. Now he's getting his shit rocked in AAA.
Having one shit outing out of 4 doesn't equate to getting his shit rocked, to be fair.
Okay, maybe some day he and his 89 mph fastball can come up and pitch four solid innings before he gets destroyed the third time through the order and we can spend years debating whether he's actually any good if he can't go past 5 innings but FIP and stuff.
Sounds like he could be the next Greg Maddux.
Speaking of, Greg's son Chase is pitching for UNLV beginning this year.
If Almora wants to keep hitting the ever-loving shit out of the ball that would be pretty awesome.
Also Vogelbach took out the "A" in the Principal Park sign on the video board with a massive dong. Good stuff.
Quote from: SKO on April 26, 2016, 09:31:27 AM
If Almora wants to keep hitting the ever-loving shit out of the ball that would be pretty awesome.
Also Vogelbach took out the "A" in the Principal Park sign on the video board with a massive dong. Good stuff.
Which one?
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Quote from: SKO on April 26, 2016, 09:31:27 AM
If Almora wants to keep hitting the ever-loving shit out of the ball that would be pretty awesome.
Also Vogelbach took out the "A" in the Principal Park sign on the video board with a massive dong. Good stuff.
Which one?
The one in "Park". The top of it too.
Playing around on Fangraphs trying to figure out an Almora comp of recent vintage and Ender Inciarte was interesting, given his general perception (like Almora) as a great defender. These are all 2014-2016 numbers and both have over 1,000 PAs during that span, so a good sample size. I have no idea to what extent Almora's #s as a guy 3-4 years younger than the leagues he's played in, are comparable to Enciarte's major league numbers.
Enciarte: 5.2% BB%
11.0% K%
.315 wOBA
6.0 WAR
Almora: 5.0% BB%
11.7% K%
.310 wOBA
If he can sustain the offensive improvement - it's early but he has his walk rate up to about 9% and k rate down to about 10% this year - I think a less speedy Lorenzo Cain could be within reach.
Quote from: R-V on April 26, 2016, 11:52:44 AM
Playing around on Fangraphs trying to figure out an Almora comp of recent vintage and Ender Inciarte was interesting, given his general perception (like Almora) as a great defender. These are all 2014-2016 numbers and both have over 1,000 PAs during that span, so a good sample size. I have no idea to what extent Almora's #s as a guy 3-4 years younger than the leagues he's played in, are comparable to Enciarte's major league numbers.
Enciarte: 5.2% BB%
11.0% K%
.315 wOBA
6.0 WAR
Almora: 5.0% BB%
11.7% K%
.310 wOBA
If he can sustain the offensive improvement - it's early but he has his walk rate up to about 9% and k rate down to about 10% this year - I think a less speedy Lorenzo Cain could be within reach.
Inciarte seems like a reasonable mid-level projection. He definitely appears to have adjusted enough since midseason last year that I have moved my expectations up from "suitable bench player/late inning defense" to "hey maybe he'll be like Nori Aoki with fewer walks and more power". Keep moving the needle, Al.
Quote from: R-V on April 26, 2016, 11:52:44 AM
If he can sustain the offensive improvement - it's early but he has his walk rate up to about 9% and k rate down to about 10% this year - I think a less speedy Lorenzo Cain could be within reach.
That's the comp I've had in my head for a little while. Something somewhere between 2013 and 2014 version of Cain seems to be a reasonable upper projection that we could all be happy with.
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Quote from: R-V on April 26, 2016, 11:52:44 AM
If he can sustain the offensive improvement - it's early but he has his walk rate up to about 9% and k rate down to about 10% this year - I think a less speedy Lorenzo Cain could be within reach.
That's the comp I've had in my head for a little while. Something somewhere between 2013 and 2014 version of Cain seems to be a reasonable upper projection that we could all be happy with.
2013/2014 Cain averaged out to one season: .278/.325/.383/.708, 4 dingers, 50 RBI, 25 doubles, 4 triples, 21 stolen bases, roughly 3-4 win player assuming Almora's defense in CF is as advertised. That would be pretty cool.
HueyCast Future Lineup Projection System Forecast of:
RF Heyward
2B Zobrist
1B Rizzo
3B Bryant
LF Schwarber/Soler platoon
SS Russell
C Contreras
CF Almora
Works for me.
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Quote from: Eli on April 26, 2016, 12:47:42 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 26, 2016, 11:52:44 AM
If he can sustain the offensive improvement - it's early but he has his walk rate up to about 9% and k rate down to about 10% this year - I think a less speedy Lorenzo Cain could be within reach.
That's the comp I've had in my head for a little while. Something somewhere between 2013 and 2014 version of Cain seems to be a reasonable upper projection that we could all be happy with.
2013/2014 Cain averaged out to one season: .278/.325/.383/.708, 4 dingers, 50 RBI, 25 doubles, 4 triples, 21 stolen bases, roughly 3-4 win player assuming Almora's defense in CF is as advertised. That would be pretty cool.
HueyCast Future Lineup Projection System Forecast of:
RF Heyward Jiminez
2B Zobrist Happ
1B Rizzo Vogelbach
3B Bryant Candelario
LF Schwarber/Soler platoon McKinney
SS Russell Torres
C Contreras
CF Almora
Works for me.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on April 26, 2016, 01:12:54 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 26, 2016, 12:55:14 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 26, 2016, 12:47:42 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 26, 2016, 11:52:44 AM
If he can sustain the offensive improvement - it's early but he has his walk rate up to about 9% and k rate down to about 10% this year - I think a less speedy Lorenzo Cain could be within reach.
That's the comp I've had in my head for a little while. Something somewhere between 2013 and 2014 version of Cain seems to be a reasonable upper projection that we could all be happy with.
2013/2014 Cain averaged out to one season: .278/.325/.383/.708, 4 dingers, 50 RBI, 25 doubles, 4 triples, 21 stolen bases, roughly 3-4 win player assuming Almora's defense in CF is as advertised. That would be pretty cool.
HueyCast Future Lineup Projection System Forecast of:
RF Heyward Jiminez
2B Zobrist Happ
1B Rizzo Vogelbach
3B Bryant Candelario
LF Schwarber/Soler platoon McKinney
SS Russell Torres
C Contreras
CF Almora
Works for me.
That lineup probably wins more games than the Brewers.
Quote from: SKO on April 26, 2016, 01:14:00 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on April 26, 2016, 01:12:54 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 26, 2016, 12:55:14 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 26, 2016, 12:47:42 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 26, 2016, 11:52:44 AM
If he can sustain the offensive improvement - it's early but he has his walk rate up to about 9% and k rate down to about 10% this year - I think a less speedy Lorenzo Cain could be within reach.
That's the comp I've had in my head for a little while. Something somewhere between 2013 and 2014 version of Cain seems to be a reasonable upper projection that we could all be happy with.
2013/2014 Cain averaged out to one season: .278/.325/.383/.708, 4 dingers, 50 RBI, 25 doubles, 4 triples, 21 stolen bases, roughly 3-4 win player assuming Almora's defense in CF is as advertised. That would be pretty cool.
HueyCast Future Lineup Projection System Forecast of:
RF Heyward Jiminez
2B Zobrist Happ
1B Rizzo Vogelbach
3B Bryant Candelario
LF Schwarber/Soler platoon McKinney
SS Russell Torres
C Contreras
CF Almora
Works for me.
That lineup probably wins more games than the Brewers.
Donnie Dewees is so pissed you put McKinney over him.
Just another post he's gonna circle in mustard.
Quote from: SKO on April 26, 2016, 12:55:14 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 26, 2016, 12:47:42 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 26, 2016, 11:52:44 AM
If he can sustain the offensive improvement - it's early but he has his walk rate up to about 9% and k rate down to about 10% this year - I think a less speedy Lorenzo Cain could be within reach.
That's the comp I've had in my head for a little while. Something somewhere between 2013 and 2014 version of Cain seems to be a reasonable upper projection that we could all be happy with.
2013/2014 Cain averaged out to one season: .278/.325/.383/.708, 4 dingers, 50 RBI, 25 doubles, 4 triples, 21 stolen bases, roughly 3-4 win player assuming Almora's defense in CF is as advertised. That would be pretty cool.
HueyCast Future Lineup Projection System Forecast of:
RF Heyward
2B Zobrist
1B Rizzo
3B Bryant
LF Schwarber/Soler platoon
SS Russell
C Contreras
CF Almora
Works for me.
I assume by future you are thinking 2017? With all these young'uns I think I'm just predisposed to think of players as dead once they pass 35, so my mindset has been that Zobrist will man second this year and next and then he'll die/retire/hit the bench. Which opens up a spot for Happ or Gleyber in 2018. Heady times my friends.
Quote from: SKO on April 26, 2016, 12:55:14 PM
2013/2014 Cain averaged out to one season: .278/.325/.383/.708, 4 dingers, 50 RBI, 25 doubles, 4 triples, 21 stolen bases, roughly 3-4 win player assuming Almora's defense in CF is as advertised. That would be pretty cool.
I could see it happening, without the stolen bases and with maybe a few more dingers.
Quote from: R-V on April 26, 2016, 01:45:17 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 26, 2016, 12:55:14 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 26, 2016, 12:47:42 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 26, 2016, 11:52:44 AM
If he can sustain the offensive improvement - it's early but he has his walk rate up to about 9% and k rate down to about 10% this year - I think a less speedy Lorenzo Cain could be within reach.
That's the comp I've had in my head for a little while. Something somewhere between 2013 and 2014 version of Cain seems to be a reasonable upper projection that we could all be happy with.
2013/2014 Cain averaged out to one season: .278/.325/.383/.708, 4 dingers, 50 RBI, 25 doubles, 4 triples, 21 stolen bases, roughly 3-4 win player assuming Almora's defense in CF is as advertised. That would be pretty cool.
HueyCast Future Lineup Projection System Forecast of:
RF Heyward
2B Zobrist
1B Rizzo
3B Bryant
LF Schwarber/Soler platoon
SS Russell
C Contreras
CF Almora
Works for me.
I assume by future you are thinking 2017? With all these young'uns I think I'm just predisposed to think of players as dead once they pass 35, so my mindset has been that Zobrist will man second this year and next and then he'll die/retire/hit the bench. Which opens up a spot for Happ or Gleyber in 2018. Heady times my friends.
Yeah, 2017. I figured by next year Contreras and Montero will probably be in a platoon, with Contreras getting more starts as the year goes along. I do expect Zobrist to be phased out by year 3/4 of his deal in favor of either Happ or Gleyber. Or Javy, honestly. He's got the super utility gig going for him right now but if he keeps hitting then he's going to start getting the bulk of starts at some position or another.
Man there's a lot of fucking talent in this organization.
Quote from: Eli on April 26, 2016, 01:55:43 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 26, 2016, 12:55:14 PM
2013/2014 Cain averaged out to one season: .278/.325/.383/.708, 4 dingers, 50 RBI, 25 doubles, 4 triples, 21 stolen bases, roughly 3-4 win player assuming Almora's defense in CF is as advertised. That would be pretty cool.
I could see it happening, without the stolen bases and with maybe a few more dingers.
DPD, I've seen Almora's raw power ranked anywhere from 45-55 and his speed ranked anywhere from 55-65 on the chart, but he hasn't hit for much power in the minors or stolen many bases. If the raw talent is in there though it's not hard to imagine him either putting it all together and hitting 12-15 homers in the majors or stealing 15-25 bases. Those are probably his ceiling though.
Quote from: SKO on April 26, 2016, 02:00:38 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 26, 2016, 01:55:43 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 26, 2016, 12:55:14 PM
2013/2014 Cain averaged out to one season: .278/.325/.383/.708, 4 dingers, 50 RBI, 25 doubles, 4 triples, 21 stolen bases, roughly 3-4 win player assuming Almora's defense in CF is as advertised. That would be pretty cool.
I could see it happening, without the stolen bases and with maybe a few more dingers.
DPD, I've seen Almora's raw power ranked anywhere from 45-55 and his speed ranked anywhere from 55-65 on the chart, but he hasn't hit for much power in the minors or stolen many bases. If the raw talent is in there though it's not hard to imagine him either putting it all together and hitting 12-15 homers in the majors or stealing 15-25 bases. Those are probably his ceiling though.
Worth noting that Lorenzo Cain had over 2800 minor league ABs before he came to the pros. Almora is currently at *only* 1362, less than half.
Cain made his major league debut at 24; Almora is only 22.
I've been as down on Almora as anyone, but he's certainly due a bit more time in the minors before we can fairly gauge his potential.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 26, 2016, 02:52:13 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 26, 2016, 02:00:38 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 26, 2016, 01:55:43 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 26, 2016, 12:55:14 PM
2013/2014 Cain averaged out to one season: .278/.325/.383/.708, 4 dingers, 50 RBI, 25 doubles, 4 triples, 21 stolen bases, roughly 3-4 win player assuming Almora's defense in CF is as advertised. That would be pretty cool.
I could see it happening, without the stolen bases and with maybe a few more dingers.
DPD, I've seen Almora's raw power ranked anywhere from 45-55 and his speed ranked anywhere from 55-65 on the chart, but he hasn't hit for much power in the minors or stolen many bases. If the raw talent is in there though it's not hard to imagine him either putting it all together and hitting 12-15 homers in the majors or stealing 15-25 bases. Those are probably his ceiling though.
Worth noting that Lorenzo Cain had over 2800 minor league ABs before he came to the pros. Almora is currently at *only* 1362, less than half.
Cain made his major league debut at 24; Almora is only 22.
I've been as down on Almora as anyone, but he's certainly due a bit more time in the minors before we can fairly gauge his potential.
He's mostly been the victim of being stuck in a system where every other highly touted Theo pick has already rushed through the minors and contributed at the major league level. Guys like Bryant, Russell, Schwarber, Soler and even Baez are the exception when it comes to development paths, but they've been the rule for this organization. It was hard not to yell "DO SOMETHING ALREADY" at Almora and to hand wave away the "he's still really young!" excuse. It also doesn't help that, at his best, he's going to be a high-contact, slap-hitting glove first player. That's not as easy to get excited about as DINGERS, even for those of us who appreciate WAR and defensive metrics enough to realize just how valuable that scrappy gold glove CF type would be.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 26, 2016, 02:52:13 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 26, 2016, 02:00:38 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 26, 2016, 01:55:43 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 26, 2016, 12:55:14 PM
2013/2014 Cain averaged out to one season: .278/.325/.383/.708, 4 dingers, 50 RBI, 25 doubles, 4 triples, 21 stolen bases, roughly 3-4 win player assuming Almora's defense in CF is as advertised. That would be pretty cool.
I could see it happening, without the stolen bases and with maybe a few more dingers.
DPD, I've seen Almora's raw power ranked anywhere from 45-55 and his speed ranked anywhere from 55-65 on the chart, but he hasn't hit for much power in the minors or stolen many bases. If the raw talent is in there though it's not hard to imagine him either putting it all together and hitting 12-15 homers in the majors or stealing 15-25 bases. Those are probably his ceiling though.
Worth noting that Lorenzo Cain had over 2800 minor league ABs before he came to the pros. Almora is currently at *only* 1362, less than half.
Cain made his major league debut at 24; Almora is only 22.
I've been as down on Almora as anyone, but he's certainly due a bit more time in the minors before we can fairly gauge his potential.
Cain didn't play baseball until his sophomore year in high school, so he has an unusual learning curve.
We don't have a Penstory thread, so I'm going to post this here, since there is some relevance...
I live across the street from a former Cubs prospect. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.cgi?id=weiss-001sco) We live in a cul-de-sac on a quiet street in suburbia outside of Boulder. It's a very close-knit street and most of the neighbors are pretty close overall. Kids playing together in the street, neighborhood BBQs, etc. Said prospect is also the head coach of the local high school baseball team. He has another job as well, though I don't know what it is. Overall, we're not that close with him and his family, but certainly friendly (borrowing various household goods from each other on multiple occasions.)
Multiple times he has seen my son and I in the street, practicing baseball. Hitting off a tee, playing catch, etc. He never offers any advice, and one time when I specifically asked him if he had any tips, he basically brushed it off and went inside. Not a bad dude, just a bit distant.
Backstory: He has a teenage son (big baseball player) and his wife died about 5 years back, before we moved in. Super sad. I think it was breast cancer. After his wife died, her sister moved in to help raise the boy. She doesn't have a family of her own. The relationship between Dad and Sister-in-Law is super weird. We assumed for the first couple of years that they were a married couple and she was the boy's mom. We're still not 100% sure what the relationship is between the adults, in terms of intimacy, but it's ultimately neither here nor there. It's weird and fun to speculate, but doesn't change the day-to-day dynamics whether she sleeps with him or she has her own room or whatever. Still, for those of you for whom this is relevant, imagine your brother dying and then you drop everything in your life and move in with your sister-in-law to raise their kid. It's at least a little bizarre.
Fast forward to about 18 months ago...
They get their car broken into in the driveway. We live in a very safe neighborhood, but it's the suburbs so this shit happens sometimes. The car was unlocked in the driveway and the robber(s) stole some golf clubs. I think that was it. They didn't open the garage or enter the house. Still, plenty invasive and scary. The entire small-town police force was on the street in the middle of the night.
Since then, she has gone into epic paranoid mode.
At least once per week now, she stops my wife to ask her if she's seen (insert Car X here, this week it's a black Escalade) driving up and down the street. She is 100% convinced that there are people stalking her and casing her house. She has set-up many, many homemade "alerts" to see if people are on her property. Things like Kathy Bates in Misery with the hair in the book. Strategically placing branches in the backyard and then being terrified because they weren't exactly how she remembered them. Putting fishing wire on the back gate (the house backs to a walking pathway) and saying the line was snapped. While I can't see them, she apparently has cameras all over the outside of the house and spends much of her nights watching the cameras from the inside, looking for shadows (of which she has seen many.) On a couple occasions when Dad and Son have been away at a baseball tournament, she'll stay in a hotel because she can't handle being in the house alone. She texts my wife regularly to ask if there are any cars parked in front of her house. She confronts landscapers in the neighborhood and yells at them to get away from the area (we have a park at the end of the street that the HOA maintains.)
Yesterday, she saw my wife in Whole Foods/Target/Safeway (I wasn't fully listening) and said "I KNOW YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME BUT THIS IS TRUE." Aggressively.
It's a really sad situation, living across from the street from someone who truly never has peace in life because she's terrified of everyone.
So, Penstory short, I live across the street from a former Cubs prospect who won't ever fucking help my kid play baseball and his psychotic sister-in-law who has turned her entire house into a panic room for fear that "men" are out to get her.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2016, 02:19:00 PM
We don't have a Penstory thread, so I'm going to post this here, since there is some relevance...
I live across the street from a former Cubs prospect. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.cgi?id=weiss-001sco) We live in a cul-de-sac on a quiet street in suburbia outside of Boulder. It's a very close-knit street and most of the neighbors are pretty close overall. Kids playing together in the street, neighborhood BBQs, etc. Said prospect is also the head coach of the local high school baseball team. He has another job as well, though I don't know what it is. Overall, we're not that close with him and his family, but certainly friendly (borrowing various household goods from each other on multiple occasions.)
Multiple times he has seen my son and I in the street, practicing baseball. Hitting off a tee, playing catch, etc. He never offers any advice, and one time when I specifically asked him if he had any tips, he basically brushed it off and went inside. Not a bad dude, just a bit distant.
Backstory: He has a teenage son (big baseball player) and his wife died about 5 years back, before we moved in. Super sad. I think it was breast cancer. After his wife died, her sister moved in to help raise the boy. She doesn't have a family of her own. The relationship between Dad and Sister-in-Law is super weird. We assumed for the first couple of years that they were a married couple and she was the boy's mom. We're still not 100% sure what the relationship is between the adults, in terms of intimacy, but it's ultimately neither here nor there. It's weird and fun to speculate, but doesn't change the day-to-day dynamics whether she sleeps with him or she has her own room or whatever. Still, for those of you for whom this is relevant, imagine your brother dying and then you drop everything in your life and move in with your sister-in-law to raise their kid. It's at least a little bizarre.
Fast forward to about 18 months ago...
They get their car broken into in the driveway. We live in a very safe neighborhood, but it's the suburbs so this shit happens sometimes. The car was unlocked in the driveway and the robber(s) stole some golf clubs. I think that was it. They didn't open the garage or enter the house. Still, plenty invasive and scary. The entire small-town police force was on the street in the middle of the night.
Since then, she has gone into epic paranoid mode.
At least once per week now, she stops my wife to ask her if she's seen (insert Car X here, this week it's a black Escalade) driving up and down the street. She is 100% convinced that there are people stalking her and casing her house. She has set-up many, many homemade "alerts" to see if people are on her property. Things like Kathy Bates in Misery with the hair in the book. Strategically placing branches in the backyard and then being terrified because they weren't exactly how she remembered them. Putting fishing wire on the back gate (the house backs to a walking pathway) and saying the line was snapped. While I can't see them, she apparently has cameras all over the outside of the house and spends much of her nights watching the cameras from the inside, looking for shadows (of which she has seen many.) On a couple occasions when Dad and Son have been away at a baseball tournament, she'll stay in a hotel because she can't handle being in the house alone. She texts my wife regularly to ask if there are any cars parked in front of her house. She confronts landscapers in the neighborhood and yells at them to get away from the area (we have a park at the end of the street that the HOA maintains.)
Yesterday, she saw my wife in Whole Foods/Target/Safeway (I wasn't fully listening) and said "I KNOW YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME BUT THIS IS TRUE." Aggressively.
It's a really sad situation, living across from the street from someone who truly never has peace in life because she's terrified of everyone.
So, Penstory short, I live across the street from a former Cubs prospect who won't ever fucking help my kid play baseball and his psychotic sister-in-law who has turned her entire house into a panic room for fear that "men" are out to get her.
Thank you for maintaining the horrible standards you've set with these.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2016, 02:19:00 PM
We don't have a Penstory thread, so I'm going to post this here, since there is some relevance...
I live across the street from a former Cubs prospect. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.cgi?id=weiss-001sco) We live in a cul-de-sac on a quiet street in suburbia outside of Boulder. It's a very close-knit street and most of the neighbors are pretty close overall. Kids playing together in the street, neighborhood BBQs, etc. Said prospect is also the head coach of the local high school baseball team. He has another job as well, though I don't know what it is. Overall, we're not that close with him and his family, but certainly friendly (borrowing various household goods from each other on multiple occasions.)
Multiple times he has seen my son and I in the street, practicing baseball. Hitting off a tee, playing catch, etc. He never offers any advice, and one time when I specifically asked him if he had any tips, he basically brushed it off and went inside. Not a bad dude, just a bit distant.
Backstory: He has a teenage son (big baseball player) and his wife died about 5 years back, before we moved in. Super sad. I think it was breast cancer. After his wife died, her sister moved in to help raise the boy. She doesn't have a family of her own. The relationship between Dad and Sister-in-Law is super weird. We assumed for the first couple of years that they were a married couple and she was the boy's mom. We're still not 100% sure what the relationship is between the adults, in terms of intimacy, but it's ultimately neither here nor there. It's weird and fun to speculate, but doesn't change the day-to-day dynamics whether she sleeps with him or she has her own room or whatever. Still, for those of you for whom this is relevant, imagine your brother dying and then you drop everything in your life and move in with your sister-in-law to raise their kid. It's at least a little bizarre.
Fast forward to about 18 months ago...
They get their car broken into in the driveway. We live in a very safe neighborhood, but it's the suburbs so this shit happens sometimes. The car was unlocked in the driveway and the robber(s) stole some golf clubs. I think that was it. They didn't open the garage or enter the house. Still, plenty invasive and scary. The entire small-town police force was on the street in the middle of the night.
Since then, she has gone into epic paranoid mode.
At least once per week now, she stops my wife to ask her if she's seen (insert Car X here, this week it's a black Escalade) driving up and down the street. She is 100% convinced that there are people stalking her and casing her house. She has set-up many, many homemade "alerts" to see if people are on her property. Things like Kathy Bates in Misery with the hair in the book. Strategically placing branches in the backyard and then being terrified because they weren't exactly how she remembered them. Putting fishing wire on the back gate (the house backs to a walking pathway) and saying the line was snapped. While I can't see them, she apparently has cameras all over the outside of the house and spends much of her nights watching the cameras from the inside, looking for shadows (of which she has seen many.) On a couple occasions when Dad and Son have been away at a baseball tournament, she'll stay in a hotel because she can't handle being in the house alone. She texts my wife regularly to ask if there are any cars parked in front of her house. She confronts landscapers in the neighborhood and yells at them to get away from the area (we have a park at the end of the street that the HOA maintains.)
Yesterday, she saw my wife in Whole Foods/Target/Safeway (I wasn't fully listening) and said "I KNOW YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME BUT THIS IS TRUE." Aggressively.
It's a really sad situation, living across from the street from someone who truly never has peace in life because she's terrified of everyone.
So, Penstory short, I live across the street from a former Cubs prospect who won't ever fucking help my kid play baseball and his psychotic sister-in-law who has turned her entire house into a panic room for fear that "men" are out to get her.
On the upside, the elk killing case might have just been cracked.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2016, 02:19:00 PM
We don't have a Penstory thread
Oh? (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8892.0)
With the Cubs off yesterday, gave me some time to catch up on the prospects.
It's top of mind since he had a big game yesterday, but I feel like we're nearing a decision point on Vogelbach.
Barring a Rizzo injury, he's got no role on the Cubs, and I doubt they'd keep him long-term just to be a backup, no matter how good he'd be. Also, really no idea if he can even effectively play 1B at the major league level, though he's primarily playing there in Iowa when he's not DH.
He's still only 23, and he's got a .337/.417/.547/.964 line in Iowa. His K rate is up a lot (~30%) but it's never been a problem at any other level, so presumably he'll get it back in line with his career numbers.
I don't know how much trade value he has, but I'll be awfully surprised if he's part of this team after the All-Star break.
There are major league teams he could be playing for right now.
Quick update on other guys we haven't talked about much lately:
CJ Edwards: Walks are down as of late, he's trending up. Now through 303.2 minor league innings he has 387 Ks and he's only allowed 3 home runs. It's remarkable. He's 24 years old and he's going to play in the majors for somebody. Walks are the only thing holding him back, at least short-term.
Armando Rivero: I know we've talked about him plenty, but holy shit, he's 28 years old now. He's not a prospect anymore. He's doing well in AAA, but I think we're getting past the point to imagine he'll have any significant role.
Jaimer Candelario: He's off to a terrible start this year in AA. Still a ways to go. His plate discipline is strong though and he's only 22 so he's certainly still in play.
Billy McKinney: We're flat-lining a bit here. He's still super young (21) but he's been terrible so far in AA, a year after he showed some good stuff in that league as a 20 year old. Still way too early to write him off, but it's been ugly.
Jen-Ho Tseng: Got hurt again. I'm probably the last remaining believer in this guy.
Ryan Williams: Fuck all y'all, he's going to pitch for the Cubs someday.
Victor Caratini: Appears to be sticking at catcher, unlike Zagunis. Behind Contreras (way, way behind) he's the next best catching prospect in the organization. 23 years old with a .803 OPS in AA and awesome plate discipline (19 BB:21 K this year, with a history that support this.) He has no power at all, but could be a decent contact and on-base guy if his defense carries him.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 10, 2016, 11:43:55 AM
With the Cubs off yesterday, gave me some time to catch up on the prospects.
It's top of mind since he had a big game yesterday, but I feel like we're nearing a decision point on Vogelbach.
Barring a Rizzo injury, he's got no role on the Cubs, and I doubt they'd keep him long-term just to be a backup, no matter how good he'd be. Also, really no idea if he can even effectively play 1B at the major league level, though he's primarily playing there in Iowa when he's not DH.
He's still only 23, and he's got a .337/.417/.547/.964 line in Iowa. His K rate is up a lot (~30%) but it's never been a problem at any other level, so presumably he'll get it back in line with his career numbers.
I don't know how much trade value he has, but I'll be awfully surprised if he's part of this team after the All-Star break.
There are major league teams he could be playing for right now.
Quick update on other guys we haven't talked about much lately:
CJ Edwards: Walks are down as of late, he's trending up. Now through 303.2 minor league innings he has 387 Ks and he's only allowed 3 home runs. It's remarkable. He's 24 years old and he's going to play in the majors for somebody. Walks are the only thing holding him back, at least short-term.
Armando Rivero: I know we've talked about him plenty, but holy shit, he's 28 years old now. He's not a prospect anymore. He's doing well in AAA, but I think we're getting past the point to imagine he'll have any significant role.
Jaimer Candelario: He's off to a terrible start this year in AA. Still a ways to go. His plate discipline is strong though and he's only 22 so he's certainly still in play.
Billy McKinney: We're flat-lining a bit here. He's still super young (21) but he's been terrible so far in AA, a year after he showed some good stuff in that league as a 20 year old. Still way too early to write him off, but it's been ugly.
Jen-Ho Tseng: Got hurt again. I'm probably the last remaining believer in this guy.
Ryan Williams: Fuck all y'all, he's going to pitch for the Cubs someday.
Victor Caratini: Appears to be sticking at catcher, unlike Zagunis. Behind Contreras (way, way behind) he's the next best catching prospect in the organization. 23 years old with a .803 OPS in AA and awesome plate discipline (19 BB:21 K this year, with a history that support this.) He has no power at all, but could be a decent contact and on-base guy if his defense carries him.
Well sure, I mean Dallas Beeler also pitched for the Cubs.
Quote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 11:48:21 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 10, 2016, 11:43:55 AM
With the Cubs off yesterday, gave me some time to catch up on the prospects.
It's top of mind since he had a big game yesterday, but I feel like we're nearing a decision point on Vogelbach.
Barring a Rizzo injury, he's got no role on the Cubs, and I doubt they'd keep him long-term just to be a backup, no matter how good he'd be. Also, really no idea if he can even effectively play 1B at the major league level, though he's primarily playing there in Iowa when he's not DH.
He's still only 23, and he's got a .337/.417/.547/.964 line in Iowa. His K rate is up a lot (~30%) but it's never been a problem at any other level, so presumably he'll get it back in line with his career numbers.
I don't know how much trade value he has, but I'll be awfully surprised if he's part of this team after the All-Star break.
There are major league teams he could be playing for right now.
Quick update on other guys we haven't talked about much lately:
CJ Edwards: Walks are down as of late, he's trending up. Now through 303.2 minor league innings he has 387 Ks and he's only allowed 3 home runs. It's remarkable. He's 24 years old and he's going to play in the majors for somebody. Walks are the only thing holding him back, at least short-term.
Armando Rivero: I know we've talked about him plenty, but holy shit, he's 28 years old now. He's not a prospect anymore. He's doing well in AAA, but I think we're getting past the point to imagine he'll have any significant role.
Jaimer Candelario: He's off to a terrible start this year in AA. Still a ways to go. His plate discipline is strong though and he's only 22 so he's certainly still in play.
Billy McKinney: We're flat-lining a bit here. He's still super young (21) but he's been terrible so far in AA, a year after he showed some good stuff in that league as a 20 year old. Still way too early to write him off, but it's been ugly.
Jen-Ho Tseng: Got hurt again. I'm probably the last remaining believer in this guy.
Ryan Williams: Fuck all y'all, he's going to pitch for the Cubs someday.
Victor Caratini: Appears to be sticking at catcher, unlike Zagunis. Behind Contreras (way, way behind) he's the next best catching prospect in the organization. 23 years old with a .803 OPS in AA and awesome plate discipline (19 BB:21 K this year, with a history that support this.) He has no power at all, but could be a decent contact and on-base guy if his defense carries him.
Well sure, I mean Dallas Beeler also pitched for the Cubs.
They're going to look to rest guys in September, so I could see him eating some innings then.
Quote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 11:48:21 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 10, 2016, 11:43:55 AM
With the Cubs off yesterday, gave me some time to catch up on the prospects.
It's top of mind since he had a big game yesterday, but I feel like we're nearing a decision point on Vogelbach.
Barring a Rizzo injury, he's got no role on the Cubs, and I doubt they'd keep him long-term just to be a backup, no matter how good he'd be. Also, really no idea if he can even effectively play 1B at the major league level, though he's primarily playing there in Iowa when he's not DH.
He's still only 23, and he's got a .337/.417/.547/.964 line in Iowa. His K rate is up a lot (~30%) but it's never been a problem at any other level, so presumably he'll get it back in line with his career numbers.
I don't know how much trade value he has, but I'll be awfully surprised if he's part of this team after the All-Star break.
There are major league teams he could be playing for right now.
Quick update on other guys we haven't talked about much lately:
CJ Edwards: Walks are down as of late, he's trending up. Now through 303.2 minor league innings he has 387 Ks and he's only allowed 3 home runs. It's remarkable. He's 24 years old and he's going to play in the majors for somebody. Walks are the only thing holding him back, at least short-term.
Armando Rivero: I know we've talked about him plenty, but holy shit, he's 28 years old now. He's not a prospect anymore. He's doing well in AAA, but I think we're getting past the point to imagine he'll have any significant role.
Jaimer Candelario: He's off to a terrible start this year in AA. Still a ways to go. His plate discipline is strong though and he's only 22 so he's certainly still in play.
Billy McKinney: We're flat-lining a bit here. He's still super young (21) but he's been terrible so far in AA, a year after he showed some good stuff in that league as a 20 year old. Still way too early to write him off, but it's been ugly.
Jen-Ho Tseng: Got hurt again. I'm probably the last remaining believer in this guy.
Ryan Williams: Fuck all y'all, he's going to pitch for the Cubs someday.
Victor Caratini: Appears to be sticking at catcher, unlike Zagunis. Behind Contreras (way, way behind) he's the next best catching prospect in the organization. 23 years old with a .803 OPS in AA and awesome plate discipline (19 BB:21 K this year, with a history that support this.) He has no power at all, but could be a decent contact and on-base guy if his defense carries him.
Well sure, I mean Dallas Beeler also pitched for the Cubs.
Agreed. He'll start between 2 and 10 games for the Cubs in his career before we never talk about him like we never talk about Dallas Beeler.
Quote from: Eli on May 10, 2016, 11:51:18 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 11:48:21 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 10, 2016, 11:43:55 AM
With the Cubs off yesterday, gave me some time to catch up on the prospects.
It's top of mind since he had a big game yesterday, but I feel like we're nearing a decision point on Vogelbach.
Barring a Rizzo injury, he's got no role on the Cubs, and I doubt they'd keep him long-term just to be a backup, no matter how good he'd be. Also, really no idea if he can even effectively play 1B at the major league level, though he's primarily playing there in Iowa when he's not DH.
He's still only 23, and he's got a .337/.417/.547/.964 line in Iowa. His K rate is up a lot (~30%) but it's never been a problem at any other level, so presumably he'll get it back in line with his career numbers.
I don't know how much trade value he has, but I'll be awfully surprised if he's part of this team after the All-Star break.
There are major league teams he could be playing for right now.
Quick update on other guys we haven't talked about much lately:
CJ Edwards: Walks are down as of late, he's trending up. Now through 303.2 minor league innings he has 387 Ks and he's only allowed 3 home runs. It's remarkable. He's 24 years old and he's going to play in the majors for somebody. Walks are the only thing holding him back, at least short-term.
Armando Rivero: I know we've talked about him plenty, but holy shit, he's 28 years old now. He's not a prospect anymore. He's doing well in AAA, but I think we're getting past the point to imagine he'll have any significant role.
Jaimer Candelario: He's off to a terrible start this year in AA. Still a ways to go. His plate discipline is strong though and he's only 22 so he's certainly still in play.
Billy McKinney: We're flat-lining a bit here. He's still super young (21) but he's been terrible so far in AA, a year after he showed some good stuff in that league as a 20 year old. Still way too early to write him off, but it's been ugly.
Jen-Ho Tseng: Got hurt again. I'm probably the last remaining believer in this guy.
Ryan Williams: Fuck all y'all, he's going to pitch for the Cubs someday.
Victor Caratini: Appears to be sticking at catcher, unlike Zagunis. Behind Contreras (way, way behind) he's the next best catching prospect in the organization. 23 years old with a .803 OPS in AA and awesome plate discipline (19 BB:21 K this year, with a history that support this.) He has no power at all, but could be a decent contact and on-base guy if his defense carries him.
Well sure, I mean Dallas Beeler also pitched for the Cubs.
Agreed. He'll start between 2 and 10 games for the Cubs in his career before we never talk about him like we never talk about Dallas Beeler.
Considering the derision and scorn he's received in these parts, I'll take this as a huge victory.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 10, 2016, 11:55:02 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 10, 2016, 11:51:18 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 11:48:21 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 10, 2016, 11:43:55 AM
With the Cubs off yesterday, gave me some time to catch up on the prospects.
It's top of mind since he had a big game yesterday, but I feel like we're nearing a decision point on Vogelbach.
Barring a Rizzo injury, he's got no role on the Cubs, and I doubt they'd keep him long-term just to be a backup, no matter how good he'd be. Also, really no idea if he can even effectively play 1B at the major league level, though he's primarily playing there in Iowa when he's not DH.
He's still only 23, and he's got a .337/.417/.547/.964 line in Iowa. His K rate is up a lot (~30%) but it's never been a problem at any other level, so presumably he'll get it back in line with his career numbers.
I don't know how much trade value he has, but I'll be awfully surprised if he's part of this team after the All-Star break.
There are major league teams he could be playing for right now.
Quick update on other guys we haven't talked about much lately:
CJ Edwards: Walks are down as of late, he's trending up. Now through 303.2 minor league innings he has 387 Ks and he's only allowed 3 home runs. It's remarkable. He's 24 years old and he's going to play in the majors for somebody. Walks are the only thing holding him back, at least short-term.
Armando Rivero: I know we've talked about him plenty, but holy shit, he's 28 years old now. He's not a prospect anymore. He's doing well in AAA, but I think we're getting past the point to imagine he'll have any significant role.
Jaimer Candelario: He's off to a terrible start this year in AA. Still a ways to go. His plate discipline is strong though and he's only 22 so he's certainly still in play.
Billy McKinney: We're flat-lining a bit here. He's still super young (21) but he's been terrible so far in AA, a year after he showed some good stuff in that league as a 20 year old. Still way too early to write him off, but it's been ugly.
Jen-Ho Tseng: Got hurt again. I'm probably the last remaining believer in this guy.
Ryan Williams: Fuck all y'all, he's going to pitch for the Cubs someday.
Victor Caratini: Appears to be sticking at catcher, unlike Zagunis. Behind Contreras (way, way behind) he's the next best catching prospect in the organization. 23 years old with a .803 OPS in AA and awesome plate discipline (19 BB:21 K this year, with a history that support this.) He has no power at all, but could be a decent contact and on-base guy if his defense carries him.
Well sure, I mean Dallas Beeler also pitched for the Cubs.
Agreed. He'll start between 2 and 10 games for the Cubs in his career before we never talk about him like we never talk about Dallas Beeler.
Considering the derision and scorn he's received in these parts, I'll take this as a huge victory.
Ahh yes, the scorn of saying a guy with an 88 MPH fastball who dominated a bunch of high school kids shortly after he got home from two tours in 'Nam might not actually be a legit prospect.
Quote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 12:00:57 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 10, 2016, 11:55:02 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 10, 2016, 11:51:18 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 10, 2016, 11:48:21 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 10, 2016, 11:43:55 AM
With the Cubs off yesterday, gave me some time to catch up on the prospects.
It's top of mind since he had a big game yesterday, but I feel like we're nearing a decision point on Vogelbach.
Barring a Rizzo injury, he's got no role on the Cubs, and I doubt they'd keep him long-term just to be a backup, no matter how good he'd be. Also, really no idea if he can even effectively play 1B at the major league level, though he's primarily playing there in Iowa when he's not DH.
He's still only 23, and he's got a .337/.417/.547/.964 line in Iowa. His K rate is up a lot (~30%) but it's never been a problem at any other level, so presumably he'll get it back in line with his career numbers.
I don't know how much trade value he has, but I'll be awfully surprised if he's part of this team after the All-Star break.
There are major league teams he could be playing for right now.
Quick update on other guys we haven't talked about much lately:
CJ Edwards: Walks are down as of late, he's trending up. Now through 303.2 minor league innings he has 387 Ks and he's only allowed 3 home runs. It's remarkable. He's 24 years old and he's going to play in the majors for somebody. Walks are the only thing holding him back, at least short-term.
Armando Rivero: I know we've talked about him plenty, but holy shit, he's 28 years old now. He's not a prospect anymore. He's doing well in AAA, but I think we're getting past the point to imagine he'll have any significant role.
Jaimer Candelario: He's off to a terrible start this year in AA. Still a ways to go. His plate discipline is strong though and he's only 22 so he's certainly still in play.
Billy McKinney: We're flat-lining a bit here. He's still super young (21) but he's been terrible so far in AA, a year after he showed some good stuff in that league as a 20 year old. Still way too early to write him off, but it's been ugly.
Jen-Ho Tseng: Got hurt again. I'm probably the last remaining believer in this guy.
Ryan Williams: Fuck all y'all, he's going to pitch for the Cubs someday.
Victor Caratini: Appears to be sticking at catcher, unlike Zagunis. Behind Contreras (way, way behind) he's the next best catching prospect in the organization. 23 years old with a .803 OPS in AA and awesome plate discipline (19 BB:21 K this year, with a history that support this.) He has no power at all, but could be a decent contact and on-base guy if his defense carries him.
Well sure, I mean Dallas Beeler also pitched for the Cubs.
Agreed. He'll start between 2 and 10 games for the Cubs in his career before we never talk about him like we never talk about Dallas Beeler.
Considering the derision and scorn he's received in these parts, I'll take this as a huge victory.
Ahh yes, the scorn of saying a guy with an 88 MPH fastball who dominated a bunch of high school kids shortly after he got home from two tours in 'Nam might not actually be a legit prospect.
I just circled this post in mustard.
The return of Carl Edwards Jr. with the doubleheader.
I bet he strikes out 4 in one inning today.
Quote from: PenFoe on May 11, 2016, 10:18:23 AM
The return of Carl Edwards Jr. with the doubleheader.
I bet he strikes out 4 in one inning today.
Why do you assume Federowicz will be catching him?
Quote from: PenFoe on May 11, 2016, 10:18:23 AM
The return of Carl Edwards Jr. with the doubleheader.
I bet he strikes out 4 in one inning today.
So you're happy with him being the next Bill Bonham?
Quote from: PenFoe on May 11, 2016, 10:18:23 AM
The return of Carl Edwards Jr. with the doubleheader.
I bet he strikes out 4 in one inning today.
If he's in long enough, he might walk four guys in one inning.
Quote from: Eli on May 11, 2016, 11:38:32 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 11, 2016, 10:18:23 AM
The return of Carl Edwards Jr. with the doubleheader.
I bet he strikes out 4 in one inning today.
If he's in long enough, he might walk four guys in one inning.
He hasn't walked a single batter in his last four outings, HATER.
Candelario and Zagunis bumped from AA to AAA.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 09, 2016, 08:34:50 AM
Candelario and Zagunis bumped from AA to AAA.
Was a little bit surprised by Candelario but his underlying numbers actually are pretty good. Very healthy walk rate, hitting doubles at a decent clip, BABIP is only .261, when he usually is anywhere between .284-.327. Hopefully he does well in the hitter friendly PCL so he can boost his stock by the deadline. He had built up some nice buzz as a trade chip between his hot stint at AA last year, his AFL numbers, and his torrid spring.
Quote from: SKO on June 09, 2016, 08:47:55 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 09, 2016, 08:34:50 AM
Candelario and Zagunis bumped from AA to AAA.
Was a little bit surprised by Candelario but his underlying numbers actually are pretty good. Very healthy walk rate, hitting doubles at a decent clip, BABIP is only .261, when he usually is anywhere between .284-.327. Hopefully he does well in the hitter friendly PCL so he can boost his stock by the deadline. He had built up some nice buzz as a trade chip between his hot stint at AA last year, his AFL numbers, and his torrid spring.
Thanks for adding the peripherals. I've been checking all minor league box scores and stats nearly every day and was concerned about Candelario--he did have one game where he drove in 6 and hit a granny, but I'm glad to hear he was having a lot of Bad BABIP luck.
I started noticing Zagunis more and more lately and he seems to be coming along. And yeah--I realize the chance of these guys ever playing for the Cubs regularly are about nil but if they're good it should only bolster the organization.
Quote from: PANK! on June 09, 2016, 09:47:35 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 09, 2016, 08:47:55 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 09, 2016, 08:34:50 AM
Candelario and Zagunis bumped from AA to AAA.
Was a little bit surprised by Candelario but his underlying numbers actually are pretty good. Very healthy walk rate, hitting doubles at a decent clip, BABIP is only .261, when he usually is anywhere between .284-.327. Hopefully he does well in the hitter friendly PCL so he can boost his stock by the deadline. He had built up some nice buzz as a trade chip between his hot stint at AA last year, his AFL numbers, and his torrid spring.
Thanks for adding the peripherals. I've been checking all minor league box scores and stats nearly every day and was concerned about Candelario--he did have one game where he drove in 6 and hit a granny, but I'm glad to hear he was having a lot of Bad BABIP luck.
I started noticing Zagunis more and more lately and he seems to be coming along. And yeah--I realize the chance of these guys ever playing for the Cubs regularly are about nil but if they're good it should only bolster the organization.
Oh I want the prospects to do better than ever now because I want as many trade chips in the upper minors as possible. Guys tanking teams can throw in the lineup this September/next year and start developing will be the most appealing to them.
Quote from: SKO on June 09, 2016, 10:02:38 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 09, 2016, 09:47:35 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 09, 2016, 08:47:55 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 09, 2016, 08:34:50 AM
Candelario and Zagunis bumped from AA to AAA.
Was a little bit surprised by Candelario but his underlying numbers actually are pretty good. Very healthy walk rate, hitting doubles at a decent clip, BABIP is only .261, when he usually is anywhere between .284-.327. Hopefully he does well in the hitter friendly PCL so he can boost his stock by the deadline. He had built up some nice buzz as a trade chip between his hot stint at AA last year, his AFL numbers, and his torrid spring.
Thanks for adding the peripherals. I've been checking all minor league box scores and stats nearly every day and was concerned about Candelario--he did have one game where he drove in 6 and hit a granny, but I'm glad to hear he was having a lot of Bad BABIP luck.
I started noticing Zagunis more and more lately and he seems to be coming along. And yeah--I realize the chance of these guys ever playing for the Cubs regularly are about nil but if they're good it should only bolster the organization.
Oh I want the prospects to do better than ever now because I want as many trade chips in the upper minors as possible. Guys tanking teams can throw in the lineup this September/next year and start developing will be the most appealing to them.
Brian Roberts and Jake Peavy will be ours in no time.
Quote from: PANK! on June 09, 2016, 09:47:35 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 09, 2016, 08:47:55 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 09, 2016, 08:34:50 AM
Candelario and Zagunis bumped from AA to AAA.
Was a little bit surprised by Candelario but his underlying numbers actually are pretty good. Very healthy walk rate, hitting doubles at a decent clip, BABIP is only .261, when he usually is anywhere between .284-.327. Hopefully he does well in the hitter friendly PCL so he can boost his stock by the deadline. He had built up some nice buzz as a trade chip between his hot stint at AA last year, his AFL numbers, and his torrid spring.
Thanks for adding the peripherals. I've been checking all minor league box scores and stats nearly every day and was concerned about Candelario--he did have one game where he drove in 6 and hit a granny, but I'm glad to hear he was having a lot of Bad BABIP luck.
I started noticing Zagunis more and more lately and he seems to be coming along. And yeah--I realize the chance of these guys ever playing for the Cubs regularly are about nil but if they're good it should only bolster the organization.
The point of a farm system is providing the major league club with players. If Jepstink can trade these guys and get useful parts, that means it's working.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 09, 2016, 10:40:29 AM
Quote from: PANK! on June 09, 2016, 09:47:35 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 09, 2016, 08:47:55 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 09, 2016, 08:34:50 AM
Candelario and Zagunis bumped from AA to AAA.
Was a little bit surprised by Candelario but his underlying numbers actually are pretty good. Very healthy walk rate, hitting doubles at a decent clip, BABIP is only .261, when he usually is anywhere between .284-.327. Hopefully he does well in the hitter friendly PCL so he can boost his stock by the deadline. He had built up some nice buzz as a trade chip between his hot stint at AA last year, his AFL numbers, and his torrid spring.
Thanks for adding the peripherals. I've been checking all minor league box scores and stats nearly every day and was concerned about Candelario--he did have one game where he drove in 6 and hit a granny, but I'm glad to hear he was having a lot of Bad BABIP luck.
I started noticing Zagunis more and more lately and he seems to be coming along. And yeah--I realize the chance of these guys ever playing for the Cubs regularly are about nil but if they're good it should only bolster the organization.
The point of a farm system is providing the major league club with players. If Jepstink can trade these guys and get useful parts, that means it's working.
thanks
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Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 09, 2016, 10:40:29 AM
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Quote from: SKO on June 09, 2016, 08:47:55 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 09, 2016, 08:34:50 AM
Candelario and Zagunis bumped from AA to AAA.
Was a little bit surprised by Candelario but his underlying numbers actually are pretty good. Very healthy walk rate, hitting doubles at a decent clip, BABIP is only .261, when he usually is anywhere between .284-.327. Hopefully he does well in the hitter friendly PCL so he can boost his stock by the deadline. He had built up some nice buzz as a trade chip between his hot stint at AA last year, his AFL numbers, and his torrid spring.
Thanks for adding the peripherals. I've been checking all minor league box scores and stats nearly every day and was concerned about Candelario--he did have one game where he drove in 6 and hit a granny, but I'm glad to hear he was having a lot of Bad BABIP luck.
I started noticing Zagunis more and more lately and he seems to be coming along. And yeah--I realize the chance of these guys ever playing for the Cubs regularly are about nil but if they're good it should only bolster the organization.
The point of a farm system is providing the major league club with players. If Jepstink can trade these guys and get useful parts, that means it's working.
thanks
Remember when you were confused about what mansplaining meant or was? Imagine Fork explaining the menstruation cycle to a woman. There you go.
Quote from: Oleg on June 09, 2016, 10:47:28 AM
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Quote from: SKO on June 09, 2016, 08:47:55 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 09, 2016, 08:34:50 AM
Candelario and Zagunis bumped from AA to AAA.
Was a little bit surprised by Candelario but his underlying numbers actually are pretty good. Very healthy walk rate, hitting doubles at a decent clip, BABIP is only .261, when he usually is anywhere between .284-.327. Hopefully he does well in the hitter friendly PCL so he can boost his stock by the deadline. He had built up some nice buzz as a trade chip between his hot stint at AA last year, his AFL numbers, and his torrid spring.
Thanks for adding the peripherals. I've been checking all minor league box scores and stats nearly every day and was concerned about Candelario--he did have one game where he drove in 6 and hit a granny, but I'm glad to hear he was having a lot of Bad BABIP luck.
I started noticing Zagunis more and more lately and he seems to be coming along. And yeah--I realize the chance of these guys ever playing for the Cubs regularly are about nil but if they're good it should only bolster the organization.
The point of a farm system is providing the major league club with players. If Jepstink can trade these guys and get useful parts, that means it's working.
thanks
Remember when you were confused about what mansplaining meant or was? Imagine Fork explaining the menstruation cycle to a woman. There you go.
"and then the uterus sets up the play action..."
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Candelario and Zagunis bumped from AA to AAA.
Was a little bit surprised by Candelario but his underlying numbers actually are pretty good. Very healthy walk rate, hitting doubles at a decent clip, BABIP is only .261, when he usually is anywhere between .284-.327. Hopefully he does well in the hitter friendly PCL so he can boost his stock by the deadline. He had built up some nice buzz as a trade chip between his hot stint at AA last year, his AFL numbers, and his torrid spring.
Thanks for adding the peripherals. I've been checking all minor league box scores and stats nearly every day and was concerned about Candelario--he did have one game where he drove in 6 and hit a granny, but I'm glad to hear he was having a lot of Bad BABIP luck.
I started noticing Zagunis more and more lately and he seems to be coming along. And yeah--I realize the chance of these guys ever playing for the Cubs regularly are about nil but if they're good it should only bolster the organization.
The point of a farm system is providing the major league club with players. If Jepstink can trade these guys and get useful parts, that means it's working.
thanks
Remember when you were confused about what mansplaining meant or was? Imagine Fork explaining the menstruation cycle to a woman. There you go.
"and then the uterus sets up the play action..."
Menses eats ass.
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Candelario and Zagunis bumped from AA to AAA.
Was a little bit surprised by Candelario but his underlying numbers actually are pretty good. Very healthy walk rate, hitting doubles at a decent clip, BABIP is only .261, when he usually is anywhere between .284-.327. Hopefully he does well in the hitter friendly PCL so he can boost his stock by the deadline. He had built up some nice buzz as a trade chip between his hot stint at AA last year, his AFL numbers, and his torrid spring.
Thanks for adding the peripherals. I've been checking all minor league box scores and stats nearly every day and was concerned about Candelario--he did have one game where he drove in 6 and hit a granny, but I'm glad to hear he was having a lot of Bad BABIP luck.
I started noticing Zagunis more and more lately and he seems to be coming along. And yeah--I realize the chance of these guys ever playing for the Cubs regularly are about nil but if they're good it should only bolster the organization.
The point of a farm system is providing the major league club with players. If Jepstink can trade these guys and get useful parts, that means it's working.
thanks
Remember when you were confused about what mansplaining meant or was? Imagine Fork explaining the menstruation cycle to a woman. There you go.
"and then the uterus sets up the play action..."
LSA +!
Seriously though:
Willson at Iowa: .354/.444/.601/1.045, with 32 K (13.7%) and 28 BB (12%).
Schwarber at Iowa (albeit just 67 PA): .333/.403/.633/1.036 with 23 K (34%) and 7 BB (10.4%)
Bryant: .298/.412/.625/1.037, with 94 K (28.5%) and 45 BB (13.6%)
My God.
Quote from: SKO on June 15, 2016, 10:26:15 AM
Seriously though:
Willson at Iowa: .354/.444/.601/1.045, with 32 K (13.7%) and 28 BB (12%).
Schwarber at Iowa (albeit just 67 PA): .333/.403/.633/1.036 with 23 K (34%) and 7 BB (10.4%)
Bryant: .298/.412/.625/1.037, with 94 K (28.5%) and 45 BB (13.6%)
My God.
It's going to be a while before Wrigley Field has another quiet October.
Carrie says Willson is coming up this weekend.
Ian Happ just won his second Carolina League Player of the Week Award after going 13-for-25 in seven games during the week, batting .520/.571/.960 with six doubles, a triple, home run and six RBIs. He recorded five multi-hit performances, including four in a row to close the week.
Boners.
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Happ has reached in 14 of his last 16 games, slashing .385/.500/.673 with seven doubles, one triple, two home runs, 11 RBIs and 12 walks during that span. The surge has propelled him into the league lead in free passes (48), while ranking in a tie for first in games played (69), third in on-base percentage (.410) and fourth in batting average (.296).
The Cubs' first-round pick, ninth overall, in 2015 is hitting .296/.410/.475 with 16 doubles, three triples, seven home runs and 42 RBIs this season. He has also swiped 10 bases in 13 attempts.
Fork will have to tell us how important the Cubs FO considers the Carolina League All-Star game, but I'm hoping we see Happ in Tennessee before season's end.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 20, 2016, 02:19:00 PM
Ian Happ just won his second Carolina League Player of the Week Award after going 13-for-25 in seven games during the week, batting .520/.571/.960 with six doubles, a triple, home run and six RBIs. He recorded five multi-hit performances, including four in a row to close the week.
Boners.
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Happ has reached in 14 of his last 16 games, slashing .385/.500/.673 with seven doubles, one triple, two home runs, 11 RBIs and 12 walks during that span. The surge has propelled him into the league lead in free passes (48), while ranking in a tie for first in games played (69), third in on-base percentage (.410) and fourth in batting average (.296).
The Cubs' first-round pick, ninth overall, in 2015 is hitting .296/.410/.475 with 16 doubles, three triples, seven home runs and 42 RBIs this season. He has also swiped 10 bases in 13 attempts.
Fork will have to tell us how important the Cubs FO considers the Carolina League All-Star game, but I'm hoping we see Happ in Tennessee before season's end.
I thought I saw somewhere he was getting bumped for the second half, and Young was headed to Iowa.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 20, 2016, 02:19:00 PM
Ian Happ just won his second Carolina League Player of the Week Award after going 13-for-25 in seven games during the week, batting .520/.571/.960 with six doubles, a triple, home run and six RBIs. He recorded five multi-hit performances, including four in a row to close the week.
Boners.
Quote
Happ has reached in 14 of his last 16 games, slashing .385/.500/.673 with seven doubles, one triple, two home runs, 11 RBIs and 12 walks during that span. The surge has propelled him into the league lead in free passes (48), while ranking in a tie for first in games played (69), third in on-base percentage (.410) and fourth in batting average (.296).
The Cubs' first-round pick, ninth overall, in 2015 is hitting .296/.410/.475 with 16 doubles, three triples, seven home runs and 42 RBIs this season. He has also swiped 10 bases in 13 attempts.
Fork will have to tell us how important the Cubs FO considers the Carolina League All-Star game, but I'm hoping we see Happ in Tennessee before season's end.
I imagine Happ is probably their most logical trade chip, given his age and where he is in the system. They can wait on Torres and let his development play out a bit, but I don't really see a spot for Happ in the majors in the next 3-4 years. Might be better to leverage his value now than wait until he's tearing up AAA for the third time at age 25.
Quote from: Eli on June 20, 2016, 02:38:32 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 20, 2016, 02:19:00 PM
Ian Happ just won his second Carolina League Player of the Week Award after going 13-for-25 in seven games during the week, batting .520/.571/.960 with six doubles, a triple, home run and six RBIs. He recorded five multi-hit performances, including four in a row to close the week.
Boners.
Quote
Happ has reached in 14 of his last 16 games, slashing .385/.500/.673 with seven doubles, one triple, two home runs, 11 RBIs and 12 walks during that span. The surge has propelled him into the league lead in free passes (48), while ranking in a tie for first in games played (69), third in on-base percentage (.410) and fourth in batting average (.296).
The Cubs' first-round pick, ninth overall, in 2015 is hitting .296/.410/.475 with 16 doubles, three triples, seven home runs and 42 RBIs this season. He has also swiped 10 bases in 13 attempts.
Fork will have to tell us how important the Cubs FO considers the Carolina League All-Star game, but I'm hoping we see Happ in Tennessee before season's end.
I imagine Happ is probably their most logical trade chip, given his age and where he is in the system. They can wait on Torres and let his development play out a bit, but I don't really see a spot for Happ in the majors in the next 3-4 years. Might be better to leverage his value now than wait until he's tearing up AAA for the third time at age 25.
Yeah in terms of trade chips the ranking is probably:
1) Happ
2) Candelario
3) Vogelbach
4) Zagunis
5) Torres
6) Jimenez
7) McKinney
Torres and Jimenez are the guys with probably the most potential future value but the Cubs might wait and let their value rise a bit more in the high minors before maybe packaging them in the offseason or next offseason for a young TOR starter.
Teams looking for near-major league ready chips in deadline deals this year will probably look at those first four as guys that could see the majors this September or compete for jobs next year.
Quote from: Eli on June 20, 2016, 02:38:32 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 20, 2016, 02:19:00 PM
Ian Happ just won his second Carolina League Player of the Week Award after going 13-for-25 in seven games during the week, batting .520/.571/.960 with six doubles, a triple, home run and six RBIs. He recorded five multi-hit performances, including four in a row to close the week.
Boners.
Quote
Happ has reached in 14 of his last 16 games, slashing .385/.500/.673 with seven doubles, one triple, two home runs, 11 RBIs and 12 walks during that span. The surge has propelled him into the league lead in free passes (48), while ranking in a tie for first in games played (69), third in on-base percentage (.410) and fourth in batting average (.296).
The Cubs' first-round pick, ninth overall, in 2015 is hitting .296/.410/.475 with 16 doubles, three triples, seven home runs and 42 RBIs this season. He has also swiped 10 bases in 13 attempts.
Fork will have to tell us how important the Cubs FO considers the Carolina League All-Star game, but I'm hoping we see Happ in Tennessee before season's end.
I imagine Happ is probably their most logical trade chip, given his age and where he is in the system. They can wait on Torres and let his development play out a bit, but I don't really see a spot for Happ in the majors in the next 3-4 years. Might be better to leverage his value now than wait until he's tearing up AAA for the third time at age 25.
Love this topic.
Let's say, for sake of argument, that Happ is ready to contribute at the pro level to start the 2018 season.
Let's also assume he can play all three OF positions and 2B. I know we don't know this yet, but there's at least a chance. He's playing mostly 2B now with a little LF, but quite a bit of CF last year.
So, in theory we've got him "blocked" by:
Zobrist - Will be 37 with 2 years left in his contract in 2018.
Almora - Trades aside, is probably the starting CF in 2018, as far as we know right now.
Schwarber - Still a left fielder?
Soler - Probably injured
If the Cubs can get a big return for him they should obviously explore it to the end, but I don't think there's anyway we can say today that there's no room for him in 3-4 years.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 20, 2016, 02:44:14 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 20, 2016, 02:38:32 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 20, 2016, 02:19:00 PM
Ian Happ just won his second Carolina League Player of the Week Award after going 13-for-25 in seven games during the week, batting .520/.571/.960 with six doubles, a triple, home run and six RBIs. He recorded five multi-hit performances, including four in a row to close the week.
Boners.
Quote
Happ has reached in 14 of his last 16 games, slashing .385/.500/.673 with seven doubles, one triple, two home runs, 11 RBIs and 12 walks during that span. The surge has propelled him into the league lead in free passes (48), while ranking in a tie for first in games played (69), third in on-base percentage (.410) and fourth in batting average (.296).
The Cubs' first-round pick, ninth overall, in 2015 is hitting .296/.410/.475 with 16 doubles, three triples, seven home runs and 42 RBIs this season. He has also swiped 10 bases in 13 attempts.
Fork will have to tell us how important the Cubs FO considers the Carolina League All-Star game, but I'm hoping we see Happ in Tennessee before season's end.
I imagine Happ is probably their most logical trade chip, given his age and where he is in the system. They can wait on Torres and let his development play out a bit, but I don't really see a spot for Happ in the majors in the next 3-4 years. Might be better to leverage his value now than wait until he's tearing up AAA for the third time at age 25.
Love this topic.
Let's say, for sake of argument, that Happ is ready to contribute at the pro level to start the 2018 season.
Let's also assume he can play all three OF positions and 2B. I know we don't know this yet, but there's at least a chance. He's playing mostly 2B now with a little LF, but quite a bit of CF last year.
So, in theory we've got him "blocked" by:
Zobrist - Will be 37 with 2 years left in his contract in 2018.
Almora - Trades aside, is probably the starting CF in 2018, as far as we know right now.
Schwarber - Still a left fielder?
Soler - Probably injured
If the Cubs can get a big return for him they should obviously explore it to the end, but I don't think there's anyway we can say today that there's no room for him in 3-4 years.
I think Happ has basically converted to a full-time 2B (http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2016/01/cubs-prospect-ian-happ-converting-to-full-time-second-baseman.php), so my thought was he'd be blocked by Zobrist and/or Baez. And with Torres maybe a year behind Happ in terms of arrival time, that would be another factor since he'd like land at second base.
Obviously it never hurts to have as much depth and redundancy as possible, but I swear to God that they'll actually trade a real prospect someday and Happ makes as much sense as anyone.
Quote from: Eli on June 20, 2016, 03:03:59 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 20, 2016, 02:44:14 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 20, 2016, 02:38:32 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 20, 2016, 02:19:00 PM
Ian Happ just won his second Carolina League Player of the Week Award after going 13-for-25 in seven games during the week, batting .520/.571/.960 with six doubles, a triple, home run and six RBIs. He recorded five multi-hit performances, including four in a row to close the week.
Boners.
Quote
Happ has reached in 14 of his last 16 games, slashing .385/.500/.673 with seven doubles, one triple, two home runs, 11 RBIs and 12 walks during that span. The surge has propelled him into the league lead in free passes (48), while ranking in a tie for first in games played (69), third in on-base percentage (.410) and fourth in batting average (.296).
The Cubs' first-round pick, ninth overall, in 2015 is hitting .296/.410/.475 with 16 doubles, three triples, seven home runs and 42 RBIs this season. He has also swiped 10 bases in 13 attempts.
Fork will have to tell us how important the Cubs FO considers the Carolina League All-Star game, but I'm hoping we see Happ in Tennessee before season's end.
I imagine Happ is probably their most logical trade chip, given his age and where he is in the system. They can wait on Torres and let his development play out a bit, but I don't really see a spot for Happ in the majors in the next 3-4 years. Might be better to leverage his value now than wait until he's tearing up AAA for the third time at age 25.
Love this topic.
Let's say, for sake of argument, that Happ is ready to contribute at the pro level to start the 2018 season.
Let's also assume he can play all three OF positions and 2B. I know we don't know this yet, but there's at least a chance. He's playing mostly 2B now with a little LF, but quite a bit of CF last year.
So, in theory we've got him "blocked" by:
Zobrist - Will be 37 with 2 years left in his contract in 2018.
Almora - Trades aside, is probably the starting CF in 2018, as far as we know right now.
Schwarber - Still a left fielder?
Soler - Probably injured
If the Cubs can get a big return for him they should obviously explore it to the end, but I don't think there's anyway we can say today that there's no room for him in 3-4 years.
I think Happ has basically converted to a full-time 2B (http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2016/01/cubs-prospect-ian-happ-converting-to-full-time-second-baseman.php), so my thought was he'd be blocked by Zobrist and/or Baez. And with Torres maybe a year behind Happ in terms of arrival time, that would be another factor since he'd like land at second base.
Obviously it never hurts to have as much depth and redundancy as possible, but I swear to God that they'll actually trade a real prospect someday and Happ makes as much sense as anyone.
Someday it'll happen and you'll be here to tell us all.
In the meantime, I think there's a pretty good chance that Ian Happ is the best option to play 2B for the Cubs in 2018.
Carl Edwards Jr to the rescue.
Not sure how his glove plays in CF, but I'm excited to find out.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 20, 2016, 03:15:16 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 20, 2016, 03:03:59 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 20, 2016, 02:44:14 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 20, 2016, 02:38:32 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 20, 2016, 02:19:00 PM
Ian Happ just won his second Carolina League Player of the Week Award after going 13-for-25 in seven games during the week, batting .520/.571/.960 with six doubles, a triple, home run and six RBIs. He recorded five multi-hit performances, including four in a row to close the week.
Boners.
Quote
Happ has reached in 14 of his last 16 games, slashing .385/.500/.673 with seven doubles, one triple, two home runs, 11 RBIs and 12 walks during that span. The surge has propelled him into the league lead in free passes (48), while ranking in a tie for first in games played (69), third in on-base percentage (.410) and fourth in batting average (.296).
The Cubs' first-round pick, ninth overall, in 2015 is hitting .296/.410/.475 with 16 doubles, three triples, seven home runs and 42 RBIs this season. He has also swiped 10 bases in 13 attempts.
Fork will have to tell us how important the Cubs FO considers the Carolina League All-Star game, but I'm hoping we see Happ in Tennessee before season's end.
I imagine Happ is probably their most logical trade chip, given his age and where he is in the system. They can wait on Torres and let his development play out a bit, but I don't really see a spot for Happ in the majors in the next 3-4 years. Might be better to leverage his value now than wait until he's tearing up AAA for the third time at age 25.
Love this topic.
Let's say, for sake of argument, that Happ is ready to contribute at the pro level to start the 2018 season.
Let's also assume he can play all three OF positions and 2B. I know we don't know this yet, but there's at least a chance. He's playing mostly 2B now with a little LF, but quite a bit of CF last year.
So, in theory we've got him "blocked" by:
Zobrist - Will be 37 with 2 years left in his contract in 2018.
Almora - Trades aside, is probably the starting CF in 2018, as far as we know right now.
Schwarber - Still a left fielder?
Soler - Probably injured
If the Cubs can get a big return for him they should obviously explore it to the end, but I don't think there's anyway we can say today that there's no room for him in 3-4 years.
I think Happ has basically converted to a full-time 2B (http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2016/01/cubs-prospect-ian-happ-converting-to-full-time-second-baseman.php), so my thought was he'd be blocked by Zobrist and/or Baez. And with Torres maybe a year behind Happ in terms of arrival time, that would be another factor since he'd like land at second base.
Obviously it never hurts to have as much depth and redundancy as possible, but I swear to God that they'll actually trade a real prospect someday and Happ makes as much sense as anyone.
Someday it'll happen and you'll be here to tell us all.
In the meantime, I think there's a pretty good chance that Ian Happ is the best option to play 2B for the Cubs in 2018.
Yeah, you're putting an awful lot of faith in Zobrist's ability to hold down 2B on a regular basis in two years.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 21, 2016, 08:07:13 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 20, 2016, 03:15:16 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 20, 2016, 03:03:59 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 20, 2016, 02:44:14 PM
Quote from: Eli on June 20, 2016, 02:38:32 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 20, 2016, 02:19:00 PM
Ian Happ just won his second Carolina League Player of the Week Award after going 13-for-25 in seven games during the week, batting .520/.571/.960 with six doubles, a triple, home run and six RBIs. He recorded five multi-hit performances, including four in a row to close the week.
Boners.
Quote
Happ has reached in 14 of his last 16 games, slashing .385/.500/.673 with seven doubles, one triple, two home runs, 11 RBIs and 12 walks during that span. The surge has propelled him into the league lead in free passes (48), while ranking in a tie for first in games played (69), third in on-base percentage (.410) and fourth in batting average (.296).
The Cubs' first-round pick, ninth overall, in 2015 is hitting .296/.410/.475 with 16 doubles, three triples, seven home runs and 42 RBIs this season. He has also swiped 10 bases in 13 attempts.
Fork will have to tell us how important the Cubs FO considers the Carolina League All-Star game, but I'm hoping we see Happ in Tennessee before season's end.
I imagine Happ is probably their most logical trade chip, given his age and where he is in the system. They can wait on Torres and let his development play out a bit, but I don't really see a spot for Happ in the majors in the next 3-4 years. Might be better to leverage his value now than wait until he's tearing up AAA for the third time at age 25.
Love this topic.
Let's say, for sake of argument, that Happ is ready to contribute at the pro level to start the 2018 season.
Let's also assume he can play all three OF positions and 2B. I know we don't know this yet, but there's at least a chance. He's playing mostly 2B now with a little LF, but quite a bit of CF last year.
So, in theory we've got him "blocked" by:
Zobrist - Will be 37 with 2 years left in his contract in 2018.
Almora - Trades aside, is probably the starting CF in 2018, as far as we know right now.
Schwarber - Still a left fielder?
Soler - Probably injured
If the Cubs can get a big return for him they should obviously explore it to the end, but I don't think there's anyway we can say today that there's no room for him in 3-4 years.
I think Happ has basically converted to a full-time 2B (http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2016/01/cubs-prospect-ian-happ-converting-to-full-time-second-baseman.php), so my thought was he'd be blocked by Zobrist and/or Baez. And with Torres maybe a year behind Happ in terms of arrival time, that would be another factor since he'd like land at second base.
Obviously it never hurts to have as much depth and redundancy as possible, but I swear to God that they'll actually trade a real prospect someday and Happ makes as much sense as anyone.
Someday it'll happen and you'll be here to tell us all.
In the meantime, I think there's a pretty good chance that Ian Happ is the best option to play 2B for the Cubs in 2018.
Yeah, you're putting an awful lot of faith in Zobrist's ability to hold down 2B on a regular basis in two years.
??
I don't think Pen is doing that at all. And if you're replying to EG, he did say "Zobrist and/or Baez." I think it's reasonable to expect that Bryant will still be a capable 3B, leaving those two to split time at 2B in 2018.
Zobrist will still have $29mm left on his contract in 2018-19, so where do you see him playing if not at 2B?
I don't care if it's Ian Happ or Gleyber Torres or Jesus H. Christ himself come down to pick up the mitt and try his hand at the sport, if Theo is making any prospect in the system unavailable for a trade that could help them win a World Series this year, when they will have arguably the best shot they will ever have (even accounting for how young this team is and how good it will probably be, they are historically good RIGHT NOW), because said prospect might be a better option than Zobrist or Baez at second three years from now I'm going to scream.
Quote from: SKO on June 21, 2016, 08:25:16 AM
I don't care if it's Ian Happ or Gleyber Torres or Jesus H. Christ himself come down to pick up the mitt and try his hand at the sport, if Theo is making any prospect in the system unavailable for a trade that could help them win a World Series this year, when they will have arguably the best shot they will ever have (even accounting for how young this team is and how good it will probably be, they are historically good RIGHT NOW), because said prospect might be a better option than Zobrist or Baez at second three years from now I'm going to scream.
Yeah. Holy shit. So much this.
Quote from: SKO on June 21, 2016, 08:25:16 AM
I don't care if it's Ian Happ or Gleyber Torres or Jesus H. Christ himself come down to pick up the mitt and try his hand at the sport, if Theo is making any prospect in the system unavailable for a trade that could help them win a World Series this year, when they will have arguably the best shot they will ever have (even accounting for how young this team is and how good it will probably be, they are historically good RIGHT NOW), because said prospect might be a better option than Zobrist or Baez at second three years from now I'm going to scream.
DO YOU WANT COGHLAN AT SECOND? BECAUSE THIS IS HOW YOU GET COGHLAN AT SECOND.
Seriously, though. I agree with your post.
The way I see it here is the most likely lineup for the Cubs from 2017-2020 or whatever:
C Contreras
1B Rizzo
2B Baez, with Zobrist slowly transitioning to more of a utility role as he gets older.
3B Bryant
SS Russell
LF Schwarber
CF Almora
RF Heyward.
Maybe Almora doesn't pan out, I dunno, he's looked way more competent than I expected so I think it'll be okay, but in that worst case scenario where maybe one of their 26 and under crew doesn't work out they can go sign someone with the money they're supposed to have coming or they can make a trade or whatever, but Ian Happ doesn't even come close to rating as a necessity to this organization. I will trade 1,000 Ian Happs and regret nothing about it when he's off having Jed Lowrie's career for the Yankees.
Quote from: SKO on June 21, 2016, 08:36:16 AM
The way I see it here is the most likely lineup for the Cubs from 2017-2020 or whatever:
C Contreras
1B Rizzo
2B Baez Ha[[, with Zobrist slowly transitioning to more of a utility role as he gets older.
3B Bryant Baez
SS Russell
LF Schwarber Bryant
CF Almora
RF Heyward.
DH Schwarber
New CBAed.
Quote from: SKO on June 21, 2016, 08:36:16 AM
The way I see it here is the most likely lineup for the Cubs from 2017-2020 or whatever:
C Contreras
1B Rizzo
2B Baez, with Zobrist slowly transitioning to more of a utility role as he gets older.
3B Bryant
SS Russell
LF Schwarber
CF Almora
RF Heyward.
Maybe Almora doesn't pan out, I dunno, he's looked way more competent than I expected so I think it'll be okay, but in that worst case scenario where maybe one of their 26 and under crew doesn't work out they can go sign someone with the money they're supposed to have coming or they can make a trade or whatever, but Ian Happ doesn't even come close to rating as a necessity to this organization. I will trade 1,000 Ian Happs and regret nothing about it when he's off having Jed Lowrie's career for the Yankees.
It's crazy that there's not even room for Jorge in this lineup.
Quote from: Tony on June 21, 2016, 09:15:59 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 21, 2016, 08:36:16 AM
The way I see it here is the most likely lineup for the Cubs from 2017-2020 or whatever:
C Contreras
1B Rizzo
2B Baez, with Zobrist slowly transitioning to more of a utility role as he gets older.
3B Bryant
SS Russell
LF Schwarber
CF Almora
RF Heyward.
Maybe Almora doesn't pan out, I dunno, he's looked way more competent than I expected so I think it'll be okay, but in that worst case scenario where maybe one of their 26 and under crew doesn't work out they can go sign someone with the money they're supposed to have coming or they can make a trade or whatever, but Ian Happ doesn't even come close to rating as a necessity to this organization. I will trade 1,000 Ian Happs and regret nothing about it when he's off having Jed Lowrie's career for the Yankees.
It's crazy that there's not even room for Jorge in this lineup.
I mean I think the Schwarbler Platoon might still be a thing, and I'm guessing given Schwarber's injury and Jorge's injury history as well that the Cubs will want to have a pretty solid fourth outfielder, so I'm sure Jorge will still get his opportunities, but he's definitely running out of time to make himself indispensable.
Quote from: Tony on June 21, 2016, 09:15:59 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 21, 2016, 08:36:16 AM
The way I see it here is the most likely lineup for the Cubs from 2017-2020 or whatever:
C Contreras
1B Rizzo
2B Baez, with Zobrist slowly transitioning to more of a utility role as he gets older.
3B Bryant
SS Russell
LF Schwarber
CF Almora
RF Heyward.
Maybe Almora doesn't pan out, I dunno, he's looked way more competent than I expected so I think it'll be okay, but in that worst case scenario where maybe one of their 26 and under crew doesn't work out they can go sign someone with the money they're supposed to have coming or they can make a trade or whatever, but Ian Happ doesn't even come close to rating as a necessity to this organization. I will trade 1,000 Ian Happs and regret nothing about it when he's off having Jed Lowrie's career for the Yankees.
It's crazy that there's not even room for Jorge in this lineup.
How can he start for the Cubs when he gets traded with Vogelbach (maybe Cangelosi, too, if Theo's feelin' generous) for Mike Trout in 2017?
Quote from: ChuckD on June 21, 2016, 09:23:29 AM
Quote from: Tony on June 21, 2016, 09:15:59 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 21, 2016, 08:36:16 AM
The way I see it here is the most likely lineup for the Cubs from 2017-2020 or whatever:
C Contreras
1B Rizzo
2B Baez, with Zobrist slowly transitioning to more of a utility role as he gets older.
3B Bryant
SS Russell
LF Schwarber
CF Almora
RF Heyward.
Maybe Almora doesn't pan out, I dunno, he's looked way more competent than I expected so I think it'll be okay, but in that worst case scenario where maybe one of their 26 and under crew doesn't work out they can go sign someone with the money they're supposed to have coming or they can make a trade or whatever, but Ian Happ doesn't even come close to rating as a necessity to this organization. I will trade 1,000 Ian Happs and regret nothing about it when he's off having Jed Lowrie's career for the Yankees.
It's crazy that there's not even room for Jorge in this lineup.
How can he start for the Cubs when he gets traded with Vogelbach (maybe Cangelosi, too, if Theo's feelin' generous) for Mike Trout in 2017?
We have to wait another year for Trout? That's bullshit.
Quote from: SKO on June 21, 2016, 09:19:05 AM
Quote from: Tony on June 21, 2016, 09:15:59 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 21, 2016, 08:36:16 AM
The way I see it here is the most likely lineup for the Cubs from 2017-2020 or whatever:
C Contreras
1B Rizzo
2B Baez, with Zobrist slowly transitioning to more of a utility role as he gets older.
3B Bryant
SS Russell
LF Schwarber
CF Almora
RF Heyward.
Maybe Almora doesn't pan out, I dunno, he's looked way more competent than I expected so I think it'll be okay, but in that worst case scenario where maybe one of their 26 and under crew doesn't work out they can go sign someone with the money they're supposed to have coming or they can make a trade or whatever, but Ian Happ doesn't even come close to rating as a necessity to this organization. I will trade 1,000 Ian Happs and regret nothing about it when he's off having Jed Lowrie's career for the Yankees.
It's crazy that there's not even room for Jorge in this lineup.
I mean I think the Schwarbler Platoon might still be a thing, and I'm guessing given Schwarber's injury and Jorge's injury history as well that the Cubs will want to have a pretty solid fourth outfielder, so I'm sure Jorge will still get his opportunities, but he's definitely running out of time to make himself indispensable.
Yeah the platoon is still a really good option, but it's nuts that someone with that much talent can easily be left off this list. A few weeks ago I was doing the same thing in my head and completely forgot about Schwarber. You could forget a couple of these guys and still potentially have the best lineup in baseball.
Quote from: Tony on June 21, 2016, 09:36:00 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 21, 2016, 09:19:05 AM
Quote from: Tony on June 21, 2016, 09:15:59 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 21, 2016, 08:36:16 AM
The way I see it here is the most likely lineup for the Cubs from 2017-2020 or whatever:
C Contreras
1B Rizzo
2B Baez, with Zobrist slowly transitioning to more of a utility role as he gets older.
3B Bryant
SS Russell
LF Schwarber
CF Almora
RF Heyward.
Maybe Almora doesn't pan out, I dunno, he's looked way more competent than I expected so I think it'll be okay, but in that worst case scenario where maybe one of their 26 and under crew doesn't work out they can go sign someone with the money they're supposed to have coming or they can make a trade or whatever, but Ian Happ doesn't even come close to rating as a necessity to this organization. I will trade 1,000 Ian Happs and regret nothing about it when he's off having Jed Lowrie's career for the Yankees.
It's crazy that there's not even room for Jorge in this lineup.
I mean I think the Schwarbler Platoon might still be a thing, and I'm guessing given Schwarber's injury and Jorge's injury history as well that the Cubs will want to have a pretty solid fourth outfielder, so I'm sure Jorge will still get his opportunities, but he's definitely running out of time to make himself indispensable.
Yeah the platoon is still a really good option, but it's nuts that someone with that much talent can easily be left off this list. A few weeks ago I was doing the same thing in my head and completely forgot about Schwarber. You could forget a couple of these guys and still potentially have the best lineup in baseball.
It is kinda funny that they are very close to basically fielding the "PROJECTED 2019 LINEUP" or whatever that Baseball America does every year that never pans out. So many times we'd hear "they're not
all going to pan out" whenever we'd field fantasy lineups of Schwarber/Bryant/Rizzo/Russell/Baez all together and yet here we are. Even Almora, the one Eli and only Eli wrote off as a bust and a garbage human being, looks like he can actually maybe be a useful big league player, if not a star. Insane.
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The way I see it here is the most likely lineup for the Cubs from 2017-2020 or whatever:
C Contreras
1B Rizzo
2B Baez, with Zobrist slowly transitioning to more of a utility role as he gets older.
3B Bryant
SS Russell
LF Schwarber
CF Almora
RF Heyward.
Maybe Almora doesn't pan out, I dunno, he's looked way more competent than I expected so I think it'll be okay, but in that worst case scenario where maybe one of their 26 and under crew doesn't work out they can go sign someone with the money they're supposed to have coming or they can make a trade or whatever, but Ian Happ doesn't even come close to rating as a necessity to this organization. I will trade 1,000 Ian Happs and regret nothing about it when he's off having Jed Lowrie's career for the Yankees.
It's crazy that there's not even room for Jorge in this lineup.
I mean I think the Schwarbler Platoon might still be a thing, and I'm guessing given Schwarber's injury and Jorge's injury history as well that the Cubs will want to have a pretty solid fourth outfielder, so I'm sure Jorge will still get his opportunities, but he's definitely running out of time to make himself indispensable.
Yeah the platoon is still a really good option, but it's nuts that someone with that much talent can easily be left off this list. A few weeks ago I was doing the same thing in my head and completely forgot about Schwarber. You could forget a couple of these guys and still potentially have the best lineup in baseball.
It is kinda funny that they are very close to basically fielding the "PROJECTED 2019 LINEUP" or whatever that Baseball America does every year that never pans out. So many times we'd hear "they're not all going to pan out" whenever we'd field fantasy lineups of Schwarber/Bryant/Rizzo/Russell/Baez all together and yet here we are. Even Almora, the one Eli and only Eli wrote off as a bust and a garbage human being, looks like he can actually maybe be a useful big league player, if not a star. Insane.
And when it looks like someone might be the guy to not pan out, they get hot. Like Jorge.
Quote from: SKO on June 21, 2016, 08:25:16 AM
I don't care if it's Ian Happ or Gleyber Torres or Jesus H. Christ himself come down to pick up the mitt and try his hand at the sport, if Theo is making any prospect in the system unavailable for a trade that could help them win a World Series this year, when they will have arguably the best shot they will ever have (even accounting for how young this team is and how good it will probably be, they are historically good RIGHT NOW), because said prospect might be a better option than Zobrist or Baez at second three years from now I'm going to scream.
I don't think anyone is arguing on the other side of this.
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Quote from: SKO on June 21, 2016, 08:25:16 AM
I don't care if it's Ian Happ or Gleyber Torres or Jesus H. Christ himself come down to pick up the mitt and try his hand at the sport, if Theo is making any prospect in the system unavailable for a trade that could help them win a World Series this year, when they will have arguably the best shot they will ever have (even accounting for how young this team is and how good it will probably be, they are historically good RIGHT NOW), because said prospect might be a better option than Zobrist or Baez at second three years from now I'm going to scream.
I don't think anyone is arguing on the other side of this.
Forget it--he's on a roll.
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Quote from: SKO on June 21, 2016, 08:25:16 AM
I don't care if it's Ian Happ or Gleyber Torres or Jesus H. Christ himself come down to pick up the mitt and try his hand at the sport, if Theo is making any prospect in the system unavailable for a trade that could help them win a World Series this year, when they will have arguably the best shot they will ever have (even accounting for how young this team is and how good it will probably be, they are historically good RIGHT NOW), because said prospect might be a better option than Zobrist or Baez at second three years from now I'm going to scream.
I don't think anyone is arguing on the other side of this.
Huh. You're right. I went back and re-read it and
Eli was the one being all ironclad "there's no room for Happ!'" when I assumed it was you being all "don't trade one of my precious prospects" again.
Eli, that's dumb. If Ian Happ doesn't get traded and can play they'll find a spot for him. Stop hating on Pen's precious prospects.
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I don't care if it's Ian Happ or Gleyber Torres or Jesus H. Christ himself come down to pick up the mitt and try his hand at the sport, if Theo is making any prospect in the system unavailable for a trade that could help them win a World Series this year, when they will have arguably the best shot they will ever have (even accounting for how young this team is and how good it will probably be, they are historically good RIGHT NOW), because said prospect might be a better option than Zobrist or Baez at second three years from now I'm going to scream.
I don't think anyone is arguing on the other side of this.
Huh. You're right. I went back and re-read it and Eli was the one being all ironclad "there's no room for Happ!'" when I assumed it was you being all "don't trade one of my precious prospects" again.
Eli, that's dumb. If Ian Happ doesn't get traded and can play they'll find a spot for him. Stop hating on Pen's precious prospects.
The important thing is that you had a thought and posted it. Gord forbid you miss one.
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I don't care if it's Ian Happ or Gleyber Torres or Jesus H. Christ himself come down to pick up the mitt and try his hand at the sport, if Theo is making any prospect in the system unavailable for a trade that could help them win a World Series this year, when they will have arguably the best shot they will ever have (even accounting for how young this team is and how good it will probably be, they are historically good RIGHT NOW), because said prospect might be a better option than Zobrist or Baez at second three years from now I'm going to scream.
I don't think anyone is arguing on the other side of this.
Huh. You're right. I went back and re-read it and Eli was the one being all ironclad "there's no room for Happ!'" when I assumed it was you being all "don't trade one of my precious prospects" again.
Eli, that's dumb. If Ian Happ doesn't get traded and can play they'll find a spot for him. Stop hating on Pen's precious prospects.
The important thing is that you had a thought and posted it. Gord forbid you miss one.
I think it's just animatronic robot administrator SKO.
It posts automatically whenever anyone walks into the room.
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I don't care if it's Ian Happ or Gleyber Torres or Jesus H. Christ himself come down to pick up the mitt and try his hand at the sport, if Theo is making any prospect in the system unavailable for a trade that could help them win a World Series this year, when they will have arguably the best shot they will ever have (even accounting for how young this team is and how good it will probably be, they are historically good RIGHT NOW), because said prospect might be a better option than Zobrist or Baez at second three years from now I'm going to scream.
I don't think anyone is arguing on the other side of this.
Huh. You're right. I went back and re-read it and Eli was the one being all ironclad "there's no room for Happ!'" when I assumed it was you being all "don't trade one of my precious prospects" again.
Eli, that's dumb. If Ian Happ doesn't get traded and can play they'll find a spot for him. Stop hating on Pen's precious prospects.
The important thing is that you had a thought and posted it. Gord forbid you miss one.
I think it's just animatronic robot administrator SKO.
It posts automatically whenever anyone walks into the room.
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I appreciate the appropriate level of stankface that Fillmore et al are giving a black president.
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I don't care if it's Ian Happ or Gleyber Torres or Jesus H. Christ himself come down to pick up the mitt and try his hand at the sport, if Theo is making any prospect in the system unavailable for a trade that could help them win a World Series this year, when they will have arguably the best shot they will ever have (even accounting for how young this team is and how good it will probably be, they are historically good RIGHT NOW), because said prospect might be a better option than Zobrist or Baez at second three years from now I'm going to scream.
I don't think anyone is arguing on the other side of this.
Huh. You're right. I went back and re-read it and Eli was the one being all ironclad "there's no room for Happ!'" when I assumed it was you being all "don't trade one of my precious prospects" again.
Eli, that's dumb. If Ian Happ doesn't get traded and can play they'll find a spot for him. Stop hating on Pen's precious prospects.
The important thing is that you had a thought and posted it. Gord forbid you miss one.
I think it's just animatronic robot administrator SKO.
It posts automatically whenever anyone walks into the room.
(http://www.disunplugged.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/newcitizens130.jpg)
I appreciate the appropriate level of stankface that Fillmore et al are giving a black president.
If that's Andrew Johnson back there, someone at Disney is trolling his legacy hard.
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I don't care if it's Ian Happ or Gleyber Torres or Jesus H. Christ himself come down to pick up the mitt and try his hand at the sport, if Theo is making any prospect in the system unavailable for a trade that could help them win a World Series this year, when they will have arguably the best shot they will ever have (even accounting for how young this team is and how good it will probably be, they are historically good RIGHT NOW), because said prospect might be a better option than Zobrist or Baez at second three years from now I'm going to scream.
I don't think anyone is arguing on the other side of this.
Huh. You're right. I went back and re-read it and Eli was the one being all ironclad "there's no room for Happ!'" when I assumed it was you being all "don't trade one of my precious prospects" again.
Eli, that's dumb. If Ian Happ doesn't get traded and can play they'll find a spot for him. Stop hating on Pen's precious prospects.
The important thing is that you had a thought and posted it. Gord forbid you miss one.
I think it's just animatronic robot administrator SKO.
It posts automatically whenever anyone walks into the room.
(http://www.disunplugged.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/newcitizens130.jpg)
I appreciate the appropriate level of stankface that Fillmore et al are giving a black president.
If that's Andrew Johnson back there, someone at Disney is trolling his legacy hard.
Also will never stop laughing at how much Fillmore looks like old, fat Alec Baldwin.
(http://www.economonitor.com/financelunchbox/files/2014/02/baldwin.jpg)
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Quote from: SKO on June 21, 2016, 08:25:16 AM
I don't care if it's Ian Happ or Gleyber Torres or Jesus H. Christ himself come down to pick up the mitt and try his hand at the sport, if Theo is making any prospect in the system unavailable for a trade that could help them win a World Series this year, when they will have arguably the best shot they will ever have (even accounting for how young this team is and how good it will probably be, they are historically good RIGHT NOW), because said prospect might be a better option than Zobrist or Baez at second three years from now I'm going to scream.
I don't think anyone is arguing on the other side of this.
Huh. You're right. I went back and re-read it and Eli was the one being all ironclad "there's no room for Happ!'" when I assumed it was you being all "don't trade one of my precious prospects" again.
Eli, that's dumb. If Ian Happ doesn't get traded and can play they'll find a spot for him. Stop hating on Pen's precious prospects.
The important thing is that you had a thought and posted it. Gord forbid you miss one.
I think it's just animatronic robot administrator SKO.
It posts automatically whenever anyone walks into the room.
(http://www.disunplugged.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/newcitizens130.jpg)
I appreciate the appropriate level of stankface that Fillmore et al are giving a black president.
If that's Andrew Johnson back there, someone at Disney is trolling his legacy hard.
Also will never stop laughing at how much Fillmore looks like old, fat Alec Baldwin.
(http://www.economonitor.com/financelunchbox/files/2014/02/baldwin.jpg)
AHAHAHAHAHAHA! Holy shit.
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I don't care if it's Ian Happ or Gleyber Torres or Jesus H. Christ himself come down to pick up the mitt and try his hand at the sport, if Theo is making any prospect in the system unavailable for a trade that could help them win a World Series this year, when they will have arguably the best shot they will ever have (even accounting for how young this team is and how good it will probably be, they are historically good RIGHT NOW), because said prospect might be a better option than Zobrist or Baez at second three years from now I'm going to scream.
I don't think anyone is arguing on the other side of this.
Huh. You're right. I went back and re-read it and Eli was the one being all ironclad "there's no room for Happ!'" when I assumed it was you being all "don't trade one of my precious prospects" again.
Eli, that's dumb. If Ian Happ doesn't get traded and can play they'll find a spot for him. Stop hating on Pen's precious prospects.
The important thing is that you had a thought and posted it. Gord forbid you miss one.
I think it's just animatronic robot administrator SKO.
It posts automatically whenever anyone walks into the room.
(http://www.disunplugged.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/newcitizens130.jpg)
I appreciate the appropriate level of stankface that Fillmore et al are giving a black president.
If that's Andrew Johnson back there, someone at Disney is trolling his legacy hard.
Also will never stop laughing at how much Fillmore looks like old, fat Alec Baldwin.
(http://www.economonitor.com/financelunchbox/files/2014/02/baldwin.jpg)
AHAHAHAHAHAHA! Holy shit.
Let's see who is laughing when they hire him to play the title role in "The Life Of Millard Fillmore"!
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Quote from: SKO on June 21, 2016, 08:25:16 AM
I don't care if it's Ian Happ or Gleyber Torres or Jesus H. Christ himself come down to pick up the mitt and try his hand at the sport, if Theo is making any prospect in the system unavailable for a trade that could help them win a World Series this year, when they will have arguably the best shot they will ever have (even accounting for how young this team is and how good it will probably be, they are historically good RIGHT NOW), because said prospect might be a better option than Zobrist or Baez at second three years from now I'm going to scream.
I don't think anyone is arguing on the other side of this.
Huh. You're right. I went back and re-read it and Eli was the one being all ironclad "there's no room for Happ!'" when I assumed it was you being all "don't trade one of my precious prospects" again.
Eli, that's dumb. If Ian Happ doesn't get traded and can play they'll find a spot for him. Stop hating on Pen's precious prospects.
The important thing is that you had a thought and posted it. Gord forbid you miss one.
I think it's just animatronic robot administrator SKO.
It posts automatically whenever anyone walks into the room.
(http://www.disunplugged.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/newcitizens130.jpg)
I appreciate the appropriate level of stankface that Fillmore et al are giving a black president.
If that's Andrew Johnson back there, someone at Disney is trolling his legacy hard.
Also will never stop laughing at how much Fillmore looks like old, fat Alec Baldwin.
(http://www.economonitor.com/financelunchbox/files/2014/02/baldwin.jpg)
AHAHAHAHAHAHA! Holy shit.
Let's see who is laughing when they hire him to play the title role in "The Life Of Millard Fillmore"!
Great. Another show I can't get tickets to.
Quote from: CBStew on June 21, 2016, 06:36:31 PM
Let's see who is laughing when they hire him to play the title role in "The Life Of Millard Fillmore"!
Minor correction: It would obviously be titled much more dramatically, like:
MILLARD
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Quote from: CBStew on June 21, 2016, 06:36:31 PM
Let's see who is laughing when they hire him to play the title role in "The Life Of Millard Fillmore"!
Minor correction: It would obviously be titled much more dramatically, like:
MILLARD
The rap battle about the Wilmot Proviso is pretty epic, though.
Quote from: SKO on June 22, 2016, 09:20:42 AM
Quote from: Eli on June 22, 2016, 09:16:14 AM
Quote from: CBStew on June 21, 2016, 06:36:31 PM
Let's see who is laughing when they hire him to play the title role in "The Life Of Millard Fillmore"!
Minor correction: It would obviously be titled much more dramatically, like:
MILLARD
The rap battle about the Wilmot Proviso is pretty epic, though.
I thought calling that song about his political party "I Don't Want to Be Called Yo Whigga" was pretty tasteless, though.
PS: Still laughing my ass off at the Baldwin comp.
Time for some Eloy love.
He was named MVP of the Midwest League all-star game last week after driving in 4 RBIs including a 3-run homer in the 9th.
For the season at South Bend:
274 ABS, 10 HR, 54 RBI, 64 Ks (23.5%), 17 BBs (6%), .342/.380/.551
I assume they'll leave him there for the season, though a call-up to Myrtle isn't totally impossible.
Eloy is awesome.
Quote from: ChuckD on July 10, 2016, 09:09:06 PM
Eloy is awesome.
Confirmed by the guy in the blue shirt sitting behind home plate. (https://vine.co/v/5WTEAnzpAEu)
Quote from: PenFoe on June 27, 2016, 03:01:10 PM
Time for some Eloy love.
He was named MVP of the Midwest League all-star game last week after driving in 4 RBIs including a 3-run homer in the 9th.
For the season at South Bend:
274 ABS, 10 HR, 54 RBI, 64 Ks (23.5%), 17 BBs (6%), .342/.380/.551
I assume they'll leave him there for the season, though a call-up to Myrtle isn't totally impossible.
He's 19, no reason to rush him. But when the Cubs decide he's ready, it's not like it's going to be a tough choice between him and Jeffrey Baez for who gets RF.
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Quote from: PenFoe on June 27, 2016, 03:01:10 PM
Time for some Eloy love.
He was named MVP of the Midwest League all-star game last week after driving in 4 RBIs including a 3-run homer in the 9th.
For the season at South Bend:
274 ABS, 10 HR, 54 RBI, 64 Ks (23.5%), 17 BBs (6%), .342/.380/.551
I assume they'll leave him there for the season, though a call-up to Myrtle isn't totally impossible.
He's 19, no reason to rush him. But when the Cubs decide he's ready, it's not like it's going to be a tough choice between him and Jeffrey Baez for who gets RF.
Unless he's in the Yankee farm system come August 1st.
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Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 11, 2016, 08:13:58 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 27, 2016, 03:01:10 PM
Time for some Eloy love.
He was named MVP of the Midwest League all-star game last week after driving in 4 RBIs including a 3-run homer in the 9th.
For the season at South Bend:
274 ABS, 10 HR, 54 RBI, 64 Ks (23.5%), 17 BBs (6%), .342/.380/.551
I assume they'll leave him there for the season, though a call-up to Myrtle isn't totally impossible.
He's 19, no reason to rush him. But when the Cubs decide he's ready, it's not like it's going to be a tough choice between him and Jeffrey Baez for who gets RF.
Unless he's in the Yankee farm system come August 1st.
If it's for Miller, I'm cool with it. It would suck to launch him for a rental.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 11, 2016, 08:30:13 AM
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Quote from: PenFoe on June 27, 2016, 03:01:10 PM
Time for some Eloy love.
He was named MVP of the Midwest League all-star game last week after driving in 4 RBIs including a 3-run homer in the 9th.
For the season at South Bend:
274 ABS, 10 HR, 54 RBI, 64 Ks (23.5%), 17 BBs (6%), .342/.380/.551
I assume they'll leave him there for the season, though a call-up to Myrtle isn't totally impossible.
He's 19, no reason to rush him. But when the Cubs decide he's ready, it's not like it's going to be a tough choice between him and Jeffrey Baez for who gets RF.
Unless he's in the Yankee farm system come August 1st.
If it's for Miller, I'm cool with it. It would suck to launch him for a rental.
What does any of this have to do with Millard Fillmore?
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Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 11, 2016, 08:30:13 AM
Quote from: SKO on July 11, 2016, 08:25:27 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 11, 2016, 08:13:58 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 27, 2016, 03:01:10 PM
Time for some Eloy love.
He was named MVP of the Midwest League all-star game last week after driving in 4 RBIs including a 3-run homer in the 9th.
For the season at South Bend:
274 ABS, 10 HR, 54 RBI, 64 Ks (23.5%), 17 BBs (6%), .342/.380/.551
I assume they'll leave him there for the season, though a call-up to Myrtle isn't totally impossible.
He's 19, no reason to rush him. But when the Cubs decide he's ready, it's not like it's going to be a tough choice between him and Jeffrey Baez for who gets RF.
Unless he's in the Yankee farm system come August 1st.
If it's for Miller, I'm cool with it. It would suck to launch him for a rental.
What does any of this have to do with Millard Fillmore?
Millard Fillmore was a Yankee fan.
Good stuff both on the Ems and Paulino.
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Quote from: PenFoe on July 21, 2016, 11:13:25 AM
Good stuff both on the Ems and Paulino.
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21 years old
Quote from: Yeti on July 21, 2016, 12:43:53 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 21, 2016, 11:13:25 AM
Good stuff both on the Ems and Paulino.
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21 years old
Yeah, but he's from the Dominican, so he's probably only 16.
That's how that works, right?
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Quote from: PenFoe on July 21, 2016, 11:13:25 AM
Good stuff both on the Ems and Paulino.
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21 years old
Yeah, but he's from the Dominican, so he's probably only 16.
That's how that works, right?
I thought it was the other way around...that he would be older than his reported age.
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Quote from: PenFoe on July 21, 2016, 11:13:25 AM
Good stuff both on the Ems and Paulino.
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21 years old
Yeah, but he's from the Dominican, so he's probably only 16.
That's how that works, right?
I thought it was the other way around...that he would be older than his reported age.
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Quote from: PenFoe on July 21, 2016, 11:13:25 AM
Good stuff both on the Ems and Paulino.
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The Ems made the playoffs!? Big if true.
3 in the top 50 (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/midseason-top-100-prospects/#UHoyVX08XJmLLTJH.97).
I'll take it.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 22, 2016, 08:43:39 AM
3 in the top 50 (http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/midseason-top-100-prospects/#UHoyVX08XJmLLTJH.97).
I'll take it.
Eloy has been breaking out in a huge way. Ian Happ has been playing left field for Tennessee and has also been breaking out, but it's almost an affirmation that the Cubs again struck gold with a polished bat the draft.
Eloy has been on fire. Before his nine game hitting streak, he was hitting 322/.360/.504. As of today, he's hitting .347/.384/.550. In those nine games (20 for 34) he has 6 doubles, a triple and 2 HR.
You can watch him dazzle you here: http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20160802&content_id=193275128&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20160802&content_id=193275128&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb)
In case y'all haven't seen...
Chesny Young won the batting title in the Southern league this year at .303.
He also won the batting title in the Eastern League last year.
Whether or not he ever makes the bigs (somewhat likely, though maybe not with the Cubs) it's a pretty cool feat.
Quote from: PenFoe on September 06, 2016, 01:41:41 PM
In case y'all haven't seen...
Chesny Young won the batting title in the Southern league this year at .303.
He also won the batting title in the Eastern League last year.
Whether or not he ever makes the bigs (somewhat likely, though maybe not with the Cubs) it's a pretty cool feat.
Other things that impress Pen: Winning a 6th grade spelling bee. Hitting a homer in practice. Being named the Schaumburg McDonald's Employee of the Month. Getting your GED. Hitting a really long foul ball that would've been a homer, like, if it wasn't foul, it would have been a no-doubter. Pissing in a trough without getting wet. All feats, all cool.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 06, 2016, 02:17:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 06, 2016, 01:41:41 PM
In case y'all haven't seen...
Chesny Young won the batting title in the Southern league this year at .303.
He also won the batting title in the Eastern League last year.
Whether or not he ever makes the bigs (somewhat likely, though maybe not with the Cubs) it's a pretty cool feat.
Other things that impress Pen: Winning a 6th grade spelling bee. Hitting a homer in practice. Being named the Schaumburg McDonald's Employee of the Month. Getting your GED. Hitting a really long foul ball that would've been a homer, like, if it wasn't foul, it would have been a no-doubter. Pissing in a trough without getting wet. All feats, all cool.
Some more things that impress him: getting second in batting in the Southern League.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/rule-gives-ozzie-albies-southern-league-batting-crown/#ZejsK8dWls4qXitj.97
QuoteYoung, the Carolina League batting champ in 2015, hit .303 this year—which appeared to be the enough to lead the Southern League, six points ahead of the Reds' Sebastian Elizalde. But Ozzie Albies, who did not have enough plate appearances to qualify because of his midseason stint in Triple-A, is the actual champion.
Because of his time in Triple-A, Braves middle infielder Ozzie Albies didn't get enough plate appearances to meet Southern League qualifying standards. He missed the requisite amount by only seven plate appearances. As Rule 9.22 (a) allows, giving Albies an 0-for-7 for those seven plate appearances would drop his Double-A average from .322 to .315, still enough to lead the league in batting. It also allowed Albies to top Young for the league's on-base percentage lead.
Former Cubs prospect Dan Vogelbach is coming up to the Mariners now that his Triple-A season is over. He's expected to play right away because Adam Lind recently sprained a finger.
Current Cub prospect Eloy Jimenez finishing out the season in Myrtle Beach.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 12, 2016, 03:02:37 PM
Former Cubs prospect Dan Vogelbach is coming up to the Mariners now that his Triple-A season is over. He's expected to play right away because Adam Lind recently sprained a finger.
Maybe you could start a new thread to talk about guys not on the Cubs anymore?
Quote from: PenFoe on September 12, 2016, 03:18:00 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on September 12, 2016, 03:02:37 PM
Former Cubs prospect Dan Vogelbach is coming up to the Mariners now that his Triple-A season is over. He's expected to play right away because Adam Lind recently sprained a finger.
Maybe you could start a new thread to talk about guys not on the Cubs anymore?
Or we could do what literally everyone else on earth will have done by 2018 and forget about him.
2018? I'd already forgotten about him within a week of him being traded.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on September 12, 2016, 11:45:13 PM
2018? I'd already forgotten about him within a week of him being traded.
Mike Montgomery has already been more useful to the Cubs than Vogelbach ever would have been, barring a meteor falling on Rizzo.
Bump for Ian Happ (http://www.bleachernation.com/2016/11/20/wake-up-and-watch-cubs-prospect-ian-happ-go-off-in-the-afl-championship-game/) hitting a HR from each side of the plate during the AFL title game.
Despite not being much excitement after the top 3, it's worth noting (from this article on the top 30 (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/222195882/where-cubs-top-prospects-are-starting-season/)) that 11 of the top 30 prospects are in Triple-A this year, on a team with no obvious room.
Seems like we could/should see some of these guys go this year.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 05, 2017, 10:14:23 AM
Despite not being much excitement after the top 3, it's worth noting (from this article on the top 30 (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/222195882/where-cubs-top-prospects-are-starting-season/)) that 11 of the top 30 prospects are in Triple-A this year, on a team with no obvious room.
Seems like we could/should see some of these guys go this year.
Every team that's selling pitchers at the deadline will have Jepstink on speed dial.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on April 05, 2017, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 05, 2017, 10:14:23 AM
Despite not being much excitement after the top 3, it's worth noting (from this article on the top 30 (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/222195882/where-cubs-top-prospects-are-starting-season/)) that 11 of the top 30 prospects are in Triple-A this year, on a team with no obvious room.
Seems like we could/should see some of these guys go this year.
Every team that's selling pitchers at the deadline will have Jepstink on speed dial.
I don't think people use speed dial anymore. They store contact information in their cell phone, and then either look that person up in their contacts and call them or just send them a text message. I give this post two Pinocchios.
Quote from: R-V on April 05, 2017, 05:06:08 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on April 05, 2017, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 05, 2017, 10:14:23 AM
Despite not being much excitement after the top 3, it's worth noting (from this article on the top 30 (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/222195882/where-cubs-top-prospects-are-starting-season/)) that 11 of the top 30 prospects are in Triple-A this year, on a team with no obvious room.
Seems like we could/should see some of these guys go this year.
Every team that's selling pitchers at the deadline will have Jepstink on speed dial.
I don't think people use speed dial anymore. They store contact information in their cell phone, and then either look that person up in their contacts and call them or just send them a text message. I give this post two Pinocchios.
Speed dial is picking up the phone and pressing only a button or two to call up the person, instead of dialing the full 10 digit. An these newfangled cell phones let someone pick up the phone, press a couple buttons and call up a person instead of dialing the full 10 digit. It is, as you may see now, a speed dial, after all.
Checkmate, bitch
Quote from: Yeti on April 05, 2017, 09:27:40 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 05, 2017, 05:06:08 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on April 05, 2017, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 05, 2017, 10:14:23 AM
Despite not being much excitement after the top 3, it's worth noting (from this article on the top 30 (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/222195882/where-cubs-top-prospects-are-starting-season/)) that 11 of the top 30 prospects are in Triple-A this year, on a team with no obvious room.
Seems like we could/should see some of these guys go this year.
Every team that's selling pitchers at the deadline will have Jepstink on speed dial.
I don't think people use speed dial anymore. They store contact information in their cell phone, and then either look that person up in their contacts and call them or just send them a text message. I give this post two Pinocchios.
Speed dial is picking up the phone and pressing only a button or two to call up the person, instead of dialing the full 10 digit. An these newfangled cell phones let someone pick up the phone, press a couple buttons and call up a person instead of dialing the full 10 digit. It is, as you may see now, a speed dial, after all.
Checkmate, bitch
Yeah, I lol'd when I first read this reply but then re-read it and realized the speed dial is the *only* way people use mobile phones. BOO, RV--BOOO!
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on April 06, 2017, 07:50:58 AM
Quote from: Yeti on April 05, 2017, 09:27:40 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 05, 2017, 05:06:08 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on April 05, 2017, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 05, 2017, 10:14:23 AM
Despite not being much excitement after the top 3, it's worth noting (from this article on the top 30 (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/222195882/where-cubs-top-prospects-are-starting-season/)) that 11 of the top 30 prospects are in Triple-A this year, on a team with no obvious room.
Seems like we could/should see some of these guys go this year.
Every team that's selling pitchers at the deadline will have Jepstink on speed dial.
I don't think people use speed dial anymore. They store contact information in their cell phone, and then either look that person up in their contacts and call them or just send them a text message. I give this post two Pinocchios.
Speed dial is picking up the phone and pressing only a button or two to call up the person, instead of dialing the full 10 digit. An these newfangled cell phones let someone pick up the phone, press a couple buttons and call up a person instead of dialing the full 10 digit. It is, as you may see now, a speed dial, after all.
Checkmate, bitch
Yeah, I lol'd when I first read this reply but then re-read it and realized the speed dial is the *only* way people use mobile phones. BOO, RV--BOOO!
I think the idea of 'speed dial' is relative. For example, it makes more than just a few buttons to dial a phone number. I have to open the phone app, click on 'contacts', find the contact and call him/her. Whereas in my car, in its bluetooth functionality, I can go to a 'speed dial' feature and just press the one button to call, assuming the contact is set in that function.
So, I'm not sure with whom I'm agreeing here but I definitely think the functionality of 'speed dial' still exists.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on April 06, 2017, 07:50:58 AM
Quote from: Yeti on April 05, 2017, 09:27:40 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 05, 2017, 05:06:08 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on April 05, 2017, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 05, 2017, 10:14:23 AM
Despite not being much excitement after the top 3, it's worth noting (from this article on the top 30 (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/222195882/where-cubs-top-prospects-are-starting-season/)) that 11 of the top 30 prospects are in Triple-A this year, on a team with no obvious room.
Seems like we could/should see some of these guys go this year.
Every team that's selling pitchers at the deadline will have Jepstink on speed dial.
I don't think people use speed dial anymore. They store contact information in their cell phone, and then either look that person up in their contacts and call them or just send them a text message. I give this post two Pinocchios.
Speed dial is picking up the phone and pressing only a button or two to call up the person, instead of dialing the full 10 digit. An these newfangled cell phones let someone pick up the phone, press a couple buttons and call up a person instead of dialing the full 10 digit. It is, as you may see now, a speed dial, after all.
Checkmate, bitch
Yeah, I lol'd when I first read this reply but then re-read it and realized the speed dial is the *only* way people use mobile phones. BOO, RV--BOOO!
Speed dial is specific to landlines. Note that I didn't claim that the method for calling people on a cell phone was
faster than a landline speed dial. The point is that people don't really use landlines (and their corresponding features e.g. speed dial) anymore.
Show me a screenshot of the term "speed dial" as a function in your cell phone menu and I'll eat my hatphone.
Quote from: R-V on April 06, 2017, 09:40:53 AM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on April 06, 2017, 07:50:58 AM
Quote from: Yeti on April 05, 2017, 09:27:40 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 05, 2017, 05:06:08 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on April 05, 2017, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 05, 2017, 10:14:23 AM
Despite not being much excitement after the top 3, it's worth noting (from this article on the top 30 (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/222195882/where-cubs-top-prospects-are-starting-season/)) that 11 of the top 30 prospects are in Triple-A this year, on a team with no obvious room.
Seems like we could/should see some of these guys go this year.
Every team that's selling pitchers at the deadline will have Jepstink on speed dial.
I don't think people use speed dial anymore. They store contact information in their cell phone, and then either look that person up in their contacts and call them or just send them a text message. I give this post two Pinocchios.
Speed dial is picking up the phone and pressing only a button or two to call up the person, instead of dialing the full 10 digit. An these newfangled cell phones let someone pick up the phone, press a couple buttons and call up a person instead of dialing the full 10 digit. It is, as you may see now, a speed dial, after all.
Checkmate, bitch
Yeah, I lol'd when I first read this reply but then re-read it and realized the speed dial is the *only* way people use mobile phones. BOO, RV--BOOO!
Speed dial is specific to landlines. Note that I didn't claim that the method for calling people on a cell phone was faster than a landline speed dial. The point is that people don't really use landlines (and their corresponding features e.g. speed dial) anymore.
Show me a screenshot of the term "speed dial" as a function in your cell phone menu and I'll eat my hatphone.
"Favorites" is the new "Speed Dial."
Quote from: R-V on April 06, 2017, 09:40:53 AM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on April 06, 2017, 07:50:58 AM
Quote from: Yeti on April 05, 2017, 09:27:40 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 05, 2017, 05:06:08 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on April 05, 2017, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 05, 2017, 10:14:23 AM
Despite not being much excitement after the top 3, it's worth noting (from this article on the top 30 (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/222195882/where-cubs-top-prospects-are-starting-season/)) that 11 of the top 30 prospects are in Triple-A this year, on a team with no obvious room.
Seems like we could/should see some of these guys go this year.
Every team that's selling pitchers at the deadline will have Jepstink on speed dial.
I don't think people use speed dial anymore. They store contact information in their cell phone, and then either look that person up in their contacts and call them or just send them a text message. I give this post two Pinocchios.
Speed dial is picking up the phone and pressing only a button or two to call up the person, instead of dialing the full 10 digit. An these newfangled cell phones let someone pick up the phone, press a couple buttons and call up a person instead of dialing the full 10 digit. It is, as you may see now, a speed dial, after all.
Checkmate, bitch
Yeah, I lol'd when I first read this reply but then re-read it and realized the speed dial is the *only* way people use mobile phones. BOO, RV--BOOO!
Speed dial is specific to landlines. Note that I didn't claim that the method for calling people on a cell phone was faster than a landline speed dial. The point is that people don't really use landlines (and their corresponding features e.g. speed dial) anymore.
Show me a screenshot of the term "speed dial" as a function in your cell phone menu and I'll eat my hatphone.
(http://i.imgur.com/WKVEtk8.png)
Quote from: Yeti on April 06, 2017, 11:16:12 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 06, 2017, 09:40:53 AM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on April 06, 2017, 07:50:58 AM
Quote from: Yeti on April 05, 2017, 09:27:40 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 05, 2017, 05:06:08 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on April 05, 2017, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 05, 2017, 10:14:23 AM
Despite not being much excitement after the top 3, it's worth noting (from this article on the top 30 (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/222195882/where-cubs-top-prospects-are-starting-season/)) that 11 of the top 30 prospects are in Triple-A this year, on a team with no obvious room.
Seems like we could/should see some of these guys go this year.
Every team that's selling pitchers at the deadline will have Jepstink on speed dial.
I don't think people use speed dial anymore. They store contact information in their cell phone, and then either look that person up in their contacts and call them or just send them a text message. I give this post two Pinocchios.
Speed dial is picking up the phone and pressing only a button or two to call up the person, instead of dialing the full 10 digit. An these newfangled cell phones let someone pick up the phone, press a couple buttons and call up a person instead of dialing the full 10 digit. It is, as you may see now, a speed dial, after all.
Checkmate, bitch
Yeah, I lol'd when I first read this reply but then re-read it and realized the speed dial is the *only* way people use mobile phones. BOO, RV--BOOO!
Speed dial is specific to landlines. Note that I didn't claim that the method for calling people on a cell phone was faster than a landline speed dial. The point is that people don't really use landlines (and their corresponding features e.g. speed dial) anymore.
Show me a screenshot of the term "speed dial" as a function in your cell phone menu and I'll eat my hatphone.
(http://i.imgur.com/WKVEtk8.png)
RV's extended hiatus has rendered his Desipio game so off-kilter that Yeti's pwning the fuck out of him with a simple flick of the wrist. Sad!
Quote from: Yeti on April 06, 2017, 11:16:12 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 06, 2017, 09:40:53 AM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on April 06, 2017, 07:50:58 AM
Quote from: Yeti on April 05, 2017, 09:27:40 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 05, 2017, 05:06:08 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on April 05, 2017, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 05, 2017, 10:14:23 AM
Despite not being much excitement after the top 3, it's worth noting (from this article on the top 30 (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/222195882/where-cubs-top-prospects-are-starting-season/)) that 11 of the top 30 prospects are in Triple-A this year, on a team with no obvious room.
Seems like we could/should see some of these guys go this year.
Every team that's selling pitchers at the deadline will have Jepstink on speed dial.
I don't think people use speed dial anymore. They store contact information in their cell phone, and then either look that person up in their contacts and call them or just send them a text message. I give this post two Pinocchios.
Speed dial is picking up the phone and pressing only a button or two to call up the person, instead of dialing the full 10 digit. An these newfangled cell phones let someone pick up the phone, press a couple buttons and call up a person instead of dialing the full 10 digit. It is, as you may see now, a speed dial, after all.
Checkmate, bitch
Yeah, I lol'd when I first read this reply but then re-read it and realized the speed dial is the *only* way people use mobile phones. BOO, RV--BOOO!
Speed dial is specific to landlines. Note that I didn't claim that the method for calling people on a cell phone was faster than a landline speed dial. The point is that people don't really use landlines (and their corresponding features e.g. speed dial) anymore.
Show me a screenshot of the term "speed dial" as a function in your cell phone menu and I'll eat my hatphone.
(http://i.imgur.com/WKVEtk8.png)
Mine isn't as awesome as yours, but I just want to make RV eat another hatphone.
(http://i.imgur.com/WPM69Km.jpg?1)
If everyone is basically on speed dial, is anyone really on speed dial?
I just spin the rotary dial really fast.
Quote from: flannj on April 06, 2017, 01:17:33 PM
I just spin the rotary dial really fast.
I have one of those phones that looks like a candlestick holder for the mouthpiece and a handle on the side to hold the earpiece. Every so often I grab it and shout into it, "Murphy, stop the presses. Scrap the front page and have the typesetter set up a new headline..."
Quote from: CBStew on April 06, 2017, 02:54:25 PM
Quote from: flannj on April 06, 2017, 01:17:33 PM
I just spin the rotary dial really fast.
I have one of those phones that looks like a candlestick holder for the mouthpiece and a handle on the side to hold the earpiece. Every so often I grab it and shout into it, "Murphy, stop the presses. Scrap the front page and have the typesetter set up a new headline..."
I assumed you just refused to adopt a whole new technology after you got so quick with the wireless. Why Stew could fire off a telegram to London faster than the speed of smell
Quote from: SKO on April 06, 2017, 03:31:20 PM
Quote from: CBStew on April 06, 2017, 02:54:25 PM
Quote from: flannj on April 06, 2017, 01:17:33 PM
I just spin the rotary dial really fast.
I have one of those phones that looks like a candlestick holder for the mouthpiece and a handle on the side to hold the earpiece. Every so often I grab it and shout into it, "Murphy, stop the presses. Scrap the front page and have the typesetter set up a new headline..."
I assumed you just refused to adopt a whole new technology after you got so quick with the wireless. Why Stew could fire off a telegram to London faster than the speed of smell
Well, he could until that damned Kaiser had the transatlantic telegraph cable snipped.
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on April 06, 2017, 11:21:27 AM
Quote from: Yeti on April 06, 2017, 11:16:12 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 06, 2017, 09:40:53 AM
Quote from: Cannonball Titcomb on April 06, 2017, 07:50:58 AM
Quote from: Yeti on April 05, 2017, 09:27:40 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 05, 2017, 05:06:08 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on April 05, 2017, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 05, 2017, 10:14:23 AM
Despite not being much excitement after the top 3, it's worth noting (from this article on the top 30 (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/222195882/where-cubs-top-prospects-are-starting-season/)) that 11 of the top 30 prospects are in Triple-A this year, on a team with no obvious room.
Seems like we could/should see some of these guys go this year.
Every team that's selling pitchers at the deadline will have Jepstink on speed dial.
I don't think people use speed dial anymore. They store contact information in their cell phone, and then either look that person up in their contacts and call them or just send them a text message. I give this post two Pinocchios.
Speed dial is picking up the phone and pressing only a button or two to call up the person, instead of dialing the full 10 digit. An these newfangled cell phones let someone pick up the phone, press a couple buttons and call up a person instead of dialing the full 10 digit. It is, as you may see now, a speed dial, after all.
Checkmate, bitch
Yeah, I lol'd when I first read this reply but then re-read it and realized the speed dial is the *only* way people use mobile phones. BOO, RV--BOOO!
Speed dial is specific to landlines. Note that I didn't claim that the method for calling people on a cell phone was faster than a landline speed dial. The point is that people don't really use landlines (and their corresponding features e.g. speed dial) anymore.
Show me a screenshot of the term "speed dial" as a function in your cell phone menu and I'll eat my hatphone.
(http://i.imgur.com/WKVEtk8.png)
RV's extended hiatus has rendered his Desipio game so off-kilter that Yeti's pwning the fuck out of him with a simple flick of the wrist. Sad!
I lost my speedlink to Desipio, now I have to dial in each letter of the URL separately. Very time consuming.
Dylan Cease might be good (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/225344898/cubs-prospect-dylan-cease-unhittable-in-start/).
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on April 20, 2017, 11:20:20 AM
Dylan Cease might be good (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/225344898/cubs-prospect-dylan-cease-unhittable-in-start/).
Half of his 45 outs have been strikeouts. (22)
Quote from: CBStew on April 20, 2017, 03:36:51 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on April 20, 2017, 11:20:20 AM
Dylan Cease might be good (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/225344898/cubs-prospect-dylan-cease-unhittable-in-start/).
Half of his 45 outs have been strikeouts. (22)
He's here by Memorial Day.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 20, 2017, 04:00:43 PM
Quote from: CBStew on April 20, 2017, 03:36:51 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on April 20, 2017, 11:20:20 AM
Dylan Cease might be good (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/225344898/cubs-prospect-dylan-cease-unhittable-in-start/).
Half of his 45 outs have been strikeouts. (22)
He's here by Memorial Day.
No, Chuck
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on April 20, 2017, 04:00:43 PM
Quote from: CBStew on April 20, 2017, 03:36:51 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on April 20, 2017, 11:20:20 AM
Dylan Cease might be good (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/225344898/cubs-prospect-dylan-cease-unhittable-in-start/).
Half of his 45 outs have been strikeouts. (22)
He's here by Memorial Day.
2019
Three college pitchers on day one. (https://www.mlb.com/draft/tracker/cubs) Hopefully this starts to stuff the channel with cheap controllable pitching down the road, Cardinals-style. I don't hate it.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 12, 2017, 11:09:34 PM
Three college pitchers on day one. (https://www.mlb.com/draft/tracker/cubs) Hopefully this starts to stuff the channel with cheap controllable pitching down the road, Cardinals-style. I don't hate it.
Also, this is important: second-round pick Cory Abbott's mug shot looks like the love child of Kyle Hendricks and Anthony Rizzo.
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2jg3rcw.jpg)
In 28 games (97 ABs) in Myrtle Beach this year, Eloy's slashing 278/381/546 with 7 dongs.
Do the Cubs let him finish the year here, or is it time for him to see what the Southern League has to offer?
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 19, 2017, 03:55:32 PM
In 28 games (97 ABs) in Myrtle Beach this year, Eloy's slashing 278/381/546 with 7 dongs.
Do the Cubs let him finish the year here, or is it time for him to see what the Southern League has to offer?
I think it's a least another month before asking this question. I'd be surprised if he goes to Tennessee this year.
Quote from: PenFoe on June 19, 2017, 04:11:14 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 19, 2017, 03:55:32 PM
In 28 games (97 ABs) in Myrtle Beach this year, Eloy's slashing 278/381/546 with 7 dongs.
Do the Cubs let him finish the year here, or is it time for him to see what the Southern League has to offer?
I think it's a least another month before asking this question. I'd be surprised if he goes to Tennessee this year.
Pen has now guaranteed a promotion. Congratulations, Eloy!
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 19, 2017, 03:55:32 PM
In 28 games (97 ABs) in Myrtle Beach this year, Eloy's slashing 278/381/546 with 7 dongs.
Do the Cubs let him finish the year here, or is it time for him to see what the Southern League has to offer?
I think he'd do fine for Montgomery.
Tommy John surgery on Gleyber Torres' left elbow. Out for the year.
Quote from: Brownie on June 19, 2017, 11:06:58 PM
Tommy John surgery on Gleyber Torres' left elbow. Out for the year.
Not a Cubs prospect. MODS
Quote from: Brownie on June 19, 2017, 11:06:58 PM
Tommy John surgery on Gleyber Torres' left elbow. Out for the year.
Nice choice, Jim.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 19, 2017, 05:54:50 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on June 19, 2017, 04:11:14 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 19, 2017, 03:55:32 PM
In 28 games (97 ABs) in Myrtle Beach this year, Eloy's slashing 278/381/546 with 7 dongs.
Do the Cubs let him finish the year here, or is it time for him to see what the Southern League has to offer?
I think it's a least another month before asking this question. I'd be surprised if he goes to Tennessee this year.
Pen has now guaranteed a promotion. Congratulations, Eloy!
Let's watch him celebrate (http://m.mlb.com/cutfour/2017/06/19/237487616/cubs-top-prospect-eloy-jimenez-smashed-home-run-into-the-lights).
Everyone else don't read this.......
Fork and Pen, will we see Mekkes in the pen this season? He's dominated this year.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 02, 2017, 03:46:29 PM
Everyone else don't read this.......
Fork and Pen, will we see Mekkes in the pen this season? He's dominated this year.
A ball to the Cubs? I wouldn't count on it.
But man, it would be fun to see a man-mountain like him come out to the mound in the late innings.
I know this is the price to keep winning when you have a young core that can win for a long time on the hitting side, but you can basically shut this thread down now.
Fully trust Theo and Co to rebuild this, but the Cubs have basically the worst farm system in baseball right now.
Still well worth the price of the World Series, considering this was the first time they ever had a farm system that wasn't shitty anyway.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 13, 2017, 01:02:09 PM
I know this is the price to keep winning when you have a young core that can win for a long time on the hitting side, but you can basically shut this thread down now.
Fully trust Theo and Co to rebuild this, but the Cubs have basically the worst farm system in baseball right now.
Still well worth the price of the World Series, considering this was the first time they ever had a farm system that wasn't shitty anyway.
CT said it better:
Quote from: CT III on May 14, 2015, 09:10:43 PM
The big club is interesting again, you weird minor league following pederasts can close this thread down now.
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2017, 01:29:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 13, 2017, 01:02:09 PM
I know this is the price to keep winning when you have a young core that can win for a long time on the hitting side, but you can basically shut this thread down now.
Fully trust Theo and Co to rebuild this, but the Cubs have basically the worst farm system in baseball right now.
Still well worth the price of the World Series, considering this was the first time they ever had a farm system that wasn't shitty anyway.
CT said it better:
Quote from: CT III on May 14, 2015, 09:10:43 PM
The big club is interesting again, you weird minor league following pederasts can close this thread down now.
This front office was the one that got us hooked on the farm system in the first place.
Now they want to give us heroin to ween us off our methadone addiction.
Which, in theory, should work perfectly.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 13, 2017, 01:32:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2017, 01:29:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 13, 2017, 01:02:09 PM
I know this is the price to keep winning when you have a young core that can win for a long time on the hitting side, but you can basically shut this thread down now.
Fully trust Theo and Co to rebuild this, but the Cubs have basically the worst farm system in baseball right now.
Still well worth the price of the World Series, considering this was the first time they ever had a farm system that wasn't shitty anyway.
CT said it better:
Quote from: CT III on May 14, 2015, 09:10:43 PM
The big club is interesting again, you weird minor league following pederasts can close this thread down now.
This front office was the one that got us hooked on the farm system in the first place.
Now they want to give us heroin to ween us off our methadone addiction.
Which, in theory, should work perfectly.
Yeah, I don't really give a shit about the minor league system anymore. The next group who'll have to build this thing up probably hasn't even graduated from high school yet.
Quote from: Oleg on July 13, 2017, 01:36:39 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 13, 2017, 01:32:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2017, 01:29:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 13, 2017, 01:02:09 PM
I know this is the price to keep winning when you have a young core that can win for a long time on the hitting side, but you can basically shut this thread down now.
Fully trust Theo and Co to rebuild this, but the Cubs have basically the worst farm system in baseball right now.
Still well worth the price of the World Series, considering this was the first time they ever had a farm system that wasn't shitty anyway.
CT said it better:
Quote from: CT III on May 14, 2015, 09:10:43 PM
The big club is interesting again, you weird minor league following pederasts can close this thread down now.
This front office was the one that got us hooked on the farm system in the first place.
Now they want to give us heroin to ween us off our methadone addiction.
Which, in theory, should work perfectly.
Yeah, I don't really give a shit about the minor league system anymore. The next group who'll have to build this thing up probably hasn't even graduated from high school yet.
I have pretty much always locked in that a second rebuild will start right after 2021. It's not really a coincidence that Theo's contract expires at the exact same time Rizzo, Bryant, Schwarber, Baez, Russell, Lester should all be leaving in a mass exodus. The goal is to win another 1-4 rings between now and then and wave a happy, tearful goodbye to all of those folks as they get paid to decline in someone else's uniform before returning to live forever as Chicago legends. So yeah, the current state of the farm is not a concern of mine.
I think watching the farm system is still important, but I think the context has changed.
Rather than look at someone who is doing good things in front of 4000 people each night as somebody who can eventually excel in front of 40,000 at Wrigley Field, these guys have become currency.
So one top 10 guy gets you a rental, like Torres for Chapman.
Two get you something more long term, like Eloy/Cease for Quintana.
So when you see a guy racking up Ks or busting down fences, rather than think about how they can help in 3 years we have to start thinking about how then can help at the trade deadline.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 13, 2017, 02:01:24 PM
I think watching the farm system is still important, but I think the context has changed.
Rather than look at someone who is doing good things in front of 4000 people each night as somebody who can eventually excel in front of 40,000 at Wrigley Field, these guys have become currency.
So one top 10 guy gets you a rental, like Torres for Chapman.
Two get you something more long term, like Eloy/Cease for Quintana.
So when you see a guy racking up Ks or busting down fences, rather than think about how they can help in 3 years we have to start thinking about how then can help at the trade deadline.
This is the most incredibly "Fork explains the fucking obvious" statement since the run set up the play action.
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2017, 02:05:39 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 13, 2017, 02:01:24 PM
I think watching the farm system is still important, but I think the context has changed.
Rather than look at someone who is doing good things in front of 4000 people each night as somebody who can eventually excel in front of 40,000 at Wrigley Field, these guys have become currency.
So one top 10 guy gets you a rental, like Torres for Chapman.
Two get you something more long term, like Eloy/Cease for Quintana.
So when you see a guy racking up Ks or busting down fences, rather than think about how they can help in 3 years we have to start thinking about how then can help at the trade deadline.
This is the most incredibly "Fork explains the fucking obvious" statement since the run set up the play action.
It's "Fork explains the value of the thread", Brandon Beltless.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 13, 2017, 01:32:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2017, 01:29:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 13, 2017, 01:02:09 PM
I know this is the price to keep winning when you have a young core that can win for a long time on the hitting side, but you can basically shut this thread down now.
Fully trust Theo and Co to rebuild this, but the Cubs have basically the worst farm system in baseball right now.
Still well worth the price of the World Series, considering this was the first time they ever had a farm system that wasn't shitty anyway.
CT said it better:
Quote from: CT III on May 14, 2015, 09:10:43 PM
The big club is interesting again, you weird minor league following pederasts can close this thread down now.
This front office was the one that got us hooked on the farm system in the first place.
Now they want to give us heroin to ween us off our methadone addiction.
Which, in theory, should work perfectly.
I used to be a heroin addict. (https://youtu.be/NYB0HonV6TA)
Quote from: flannj on July 13, 2017, 03:00:07 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 13, 2017, 01:32:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2017, 01:29:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 13, 2017, 01:02:09 PM
I know this is the price to keep winning when you have a young core that can win for a long time on the hitting side, but you can basically shut this thread down now.
Fully trust Theo and Co to rebuild this, but the Cubs have basically the worst farm system in baseball right now.
Still well worth the price of the World Series, considering this was the first time they ever had a farm system that wasn't shitty anyway.
CT said it better:
Quote from: CT III on May 14, 2015, 09:10:43 PM
The big club is interesting again, you weird minor league following pederasts can close this thread down now.
Three or four more edits and Flannj will have this nailed.
This front office was the one that got us hooked on the farm system in the first place.
Now they want to give us heroin to ween us off our methadone addiction.
Which, in theory, should work perfectly.
I used to be a heroin addict. (https://youtu.be/NYB0HonV6TA)
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2017, 03:52:56 PM
Quote from: flannj on July 13, 2017, 03:00:07 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 13, 2017, 01:32:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2017, 01:29:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 13, 2017, 01:02:09 PM
I know this is the price to keep winning when you have a young core that can win for a long time on the hitting side, but you can basically shut this thread down now.
Fully trust Theo and Co to rebuild this, but the Cubs have basically the worst farm system in baseball right now.
Still well worth the price of the World Series, considering this was the first time they ever had a farm system that wasn't shitty anyway.
CT said it better:
Quote from: CT III on May 14, 2015, 09:10:43 PM
The big club is interesting again, you weird minor league following pederasts can close this thread down now.
Three or four more edits and Flannj will have this nailed.
This front office was the one that got us hooked on the farm system in the first place.
Now they want to give us heroin to ween us off our methadone addiction.
Which, in theory, should work perfectly.
I used to be a heroin addict. (https://youtu.be/NYB0HonV6TA)
(https://www.builddirect.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Crooked-nails.jpg)
Quote from: flannj on July 13, 2017, 04:55:13 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2017, 03:52:56 PM
Quote from: flannj on July 13, 2017, 03:00:07 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 13, 2017, 01:32:36 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2017, 01:29:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 13, 2017, 01:02:09 PM
I know this is the price to keep winning when you have a young core that can win for a long time on the hitting side, but you can basically shut this thread down now.
Fully trust Theo and Co to rebuild this, but the Cubs have basically the worst farm system in baseball right now.
Still well worth the price of the World Series, considering this was the first time they ever had a farm system that wasn't shitty anyway.
CT said it better:
Quote from: CT III on May 14, 2015, 09:10:43 PM
The big club is interesting again, you weird minor league following pederasts can close this thread down now.
Three or four more edits and Flannj will have this nailed.
This front office was the one that got us hooked on the farm system in the first place.
Now they want to give us heroin to ween us off our methadone addiction.
Which, in theory, should work perfectly.
I used to be a heroin addict. (https://youtu.be/NYB0HonV6TA)
(https://www.builddirect.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Crooked-nails.jpg)
Hoisted on my own petard
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2017, 01:29:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 13, 2017, 01:02:09 PM
I know this is the price to keep winning when you have a young core that can win for a long time on the hitting side, but you can basically shut this thread down now.
Fully trust Theo and Co to rebuild this, but the Cubs have basically the worst farm system in baseball right now.
Still well worth the price of the World Series, considering this was the first time they ever had a farm system that wasn't shitty anyway.
CT said it better:
Quote from: CT III on May 14, 2015, 09:10:43 PM
The big club is interesting again, you weird minor league following pederasts can close this thread down now.
Next time just stop right here and none of us will have to be embarrassed about what came after.
Quote from: CT III on July 16, 2017, 03:02:52 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 13, 2017, 01:29:10 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 13, 2017, 01:02:09 PM
I know this is the price to keep winning when you have a young core that can win for a long time on the hitting side, but you can basically shut this thread down now.
Fully trust Theo and Co to rebuild this, but the Cubs have basically the worst farm system in baseball right now.
Still well worth the price of the World Series, considering this was the first time they ever had a farm system that wasn't shitty anyway.
CT said it better:
Quote from: CT III on May 14, 2015, 09:10:43 PM
The big club is interesting again, you weird minor league following pederasts can close this thread down now.
Next time just stop right here and none of us will have to be embarrassed about what came after.
How is your Disturbed cover band coming along?
*Injects methadone*
Pretty sure I've been the last one on the Jen-Ho Tseng bandwagon since like 2 years ago, but he's still making some waves out there.
In his second start since being promoted to Iowa (still only 22 years old) he's currently at 7 IP, 3 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 8 K.
The concern has been in the lack of Ks, but he's up to over 8 K/9, which is the highest of his career.
Kid has a chance.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 17, 2017, 08:54:24 PM
Kid has a chance.
A chance of being traded to the Marlins for David Phelps?
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 17, 2017, 09:18:16 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 17, 2017, 08:54:24 PM
Kid has a chance.
A chance of being traded to the Marlins for David Phelps?
I think the Cubs can make that trade today.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 17, 2017, 08:54:24 PM
*Injects methadone*
Pretty sure I've been the last one on the Jen-Ho Tseng bandwagon since like 2 years ago, but he's still making some waves out there.
In his second start since being promoted to Iowa (still only 22 years old) he's currently at 7 IP, 3 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 8 K.
The concern has been in the lack of Ks, but he's up to over 8 K/9, which is the highest of his career.
Kid has a chance.
(https://sneakerbardetroit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/fresh-prince.jpg)
Quote from: PenFoe on June 19, 2017, 04:11:14 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 19, 2017, 03:55:32 PM
In 28 games (97 ABs) in Myrtle Beach this year, Eloy's slashing 278/381/546 with 7 dongs.
Do the Cubs let him finish the year here, or is it time for him to see what the Southern League has to offer?
I think it's a least another month before asking this question. I'd be surprised if he goes to Tennessee this year.
Turns out you were right.
Quote from: SKO on July 18, 2017, 12:09:30 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 17, 2017, 08:54:24 PM
*Injects methadone*
Pretty sure I've been the last one on the Jen-Ho Tseng bandwagon since like 2 years ago, but he's still making some waves out there.
In his second start since being promoted to Iowa (still only 22 years old) he's currently at 7 IP, 3 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 8 K.
The concern has been in the lack of Ks, but he's up to over 8 K/9, which is the highest of his career.
Kid has a chance.
(https://sneakerbardetroit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/fresh-prince.jpg)
Like that has ever stopped me before.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 02, 2017, 03:46:29 PM
Everyone else don't read this.......
Fork and Pen, will we see Mekkes in the pen this season? He's dominated this year.
So far in 53.2 innings between South Bend and Myrtle Beach, he's given up 2 ER.
Is that good? It seems good.
Quote from: SKO on April 26, 2016, 12:55:14 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 26, 2016, 12:47:42 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 26, 2016, 11:52:44 AM
If he can sustain the offensive improvement - it's early but he has his walk rate up to about 9% and k rate down to about 10% this year - I think a less speedy Lorenzo Cain could be within reach.
That's the comp I've had in my head for a little while. Something somewhere between 2013 and 2014 version of Cain seems to be a reasonable upper projection that we could all be happy with.
2013/2014 Cain averaged out to one season: .278/.325/.383/.708, 4 dingers, 50 RBI, 25 doubles, 4 triples, 21 stolen bases, roughly 3-4 win player assuming Almora's defense in CF is as advertised. That would be pretty cool.
Revisiting the Almora discussion from last year...the Lorenzo Cain comp is looking pretty good from an offensive standpoint:
Cain career line: .285/.337/.417/.755
Almora thus far: .276/.321/.417/.738
One caveat - Almora is crushing LHP while not doing much of anything against RHP, while Cain has put up respectable numbers against RHP. Of course, it's still early, he's not playing every day, Maddon has intentionally given him favorable matchups against LHP, etc etc.
If Fat Albert could just shed whatever lead weights he's carrying around in his shoes so he could actually provide some value defensively and on the basepaths, we'd have a stew going.
Quote from: R-V on August 02, 2017, 10:30:01 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 26, 2016, 12:55:14 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 26, 2016, 12:47:42 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 26, 2016, 11:52:44 AM
If he can sustain the offensive improvement - it's early but he has his walk rate up to about 9% and k rate down to about 10% this year - I think a less speedy Lorenzo Cain could be within reach.
That's the comp I've had in my head for a little while. Something somewhere between 2013 and 2014 version of Cain seems to be a reasonable upper projection that we could all be happy with.
2013/2014 Cain averaged out to one season: .278/.325/.383/.708, 4 dingers, 50 RBI, 25 doubles, 4 triples, 21 stolen bases, roughly 3-4 win player assuming Almora's defense in CF is as advertised. That would be pretty cool.
Revisiting the Almora discussion from last year...the Lorenzo Cain comp is looking pretty good from an offensive standpoint:
Cain career line: .285/.337/.417/.755
Almora thus far: .276/.321/.417/.738
One caveat - Almora is crushing LHP while not doing much of anything against RHP, while Cain has put up respectable numbers against RHP. Of course, it's still early, he's not playing every day, Maddon has intentionally given him favorable matchups against LHP, etc etc.
If Fat Albert could just shed whatever lead weights he's carrying around in his shoes so he could actually provide some value defensively and on the basepaths, we'd have a stew going.
Yeah it sounds like Albert added bulk to have more power this year and it's cost him defensively. Not much he can do about it now but hopefully in the offseason he eases up a bit, because the team can deal with him not providing much pop, they need the defense. Then again if CF is really Happ's for the foreseeable future who knows where Al will be next year. Either way he's certainly become a much better offensive player already than I expected based on 2014/2015 in the minors.
Quote from: SKO on August 02, 2017, 10:34:41 AM
Quote from: R-V on August 02, 2017, 10:30:01 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 26, 2016, 12:55:14 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 26, 2016, 12:47:42 PM
Quote from: R-V on April 26, 2016, 11:52:44 AM
If he can sustain the offensive improvement - it's early but he has his walk rate up to about 9% and k rate down to about 10% this year - I think a less speedy Lorenzo Cain could be within reach.
That's the comp I've had in my head for a little while. Something somewhere between 2013 and 2014 version of Cain seems to be a reasonable upper projection that we could all be happy with.
2013/2014 Cain averaged out to one season: .278/.325/.383/.708, 4 dingers, 50 RBI, 25 doubles, 4 triples, 21 stolen bases, roughly 3-4 win player assuming Almora's defense in CF is as advertised. That would be pretty cool.
Revisiting the Almora discussion from last year...the Lorenzo Cain comp is looking pretty good from an offensive standpoint:
Cain career line: .285/.337/.417/.755
Almora thus far: .276/.321/.417/.738
One caveat - Almora is crushing LHP while not doing much of anything against RHP, while Cain has put up respectable numbers against RHP. Of course, it's still early, he's not playing every day, Maddon has intentionally given him favorable matchups against LHP, etc etc.
If Fat Albert could just shed whatever lead weights he's carrying around in his shoes so he could actually provide some value defensively and on the basepaths, we'd have a stew going.
Yeah it sounds like Albert added bulk to have more power this year and it's cost him defensively. Not much he can do about it now but hopefully in the offseason he eases up a bit, because the team can deal with him not providing much pop, they need the defense. Then again if CF is really Happ's for the foreseeable future who knows where Al will be next year. Either way he's certainly become a much better offensive player already than I expected based on 2014/2015 in the minors.
If they'd just implement the rassafrassin' DH in the NL already, it would help. But once Jay & Zobrist ride off into the sunset, a 4 way OF timeshare among Schwarber, Happ, Almora and Heyward is workable. Between Schwarber taking on DH duty in AL parks and Happ also getting some infield playing time, I'm guessing you could get each of them about 500 PAs.
Quote from: R-V on August 02, 2017, 10:30:01 AM
If Fat Albert could just shed whatever lead weights he's carrying around in his shoes so he could actually provide some value defensively and on the basepaths, we'd have a stew going.
This is a keeper.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 02, 2017, 12:10:11 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 02, 2017, 10:30:01 AM
If Fat Albert could just shed whatever lead weights he's carrying around in his shoes so he could actually provide some value defensively and on the basepaths, we'd have a stew going.
This is a keeper.
Least surprising something something since something ever.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 02, 2017, 08:52:18 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on August 02, 2017, 12:10:11 PM
Quote from: R-V on August 02, 2017, 10:30:01 AM
If Fat Albert could just shed whatever lead weights he's carrying around in his shoes so he could actually provide some value defensively and on the basepaths, we'd have a stew going.
This is a keeper.
It dovetails nicely with BMIez.
Least surprising something something since something ever.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 18, 2017, 01:04:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on July 18, 2017, 12:09:30 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 17, 2017, 08:54:24 PM
*Injects methadone*
Pretty sure I've been the last one on the Jen-Ho Tseng bandwagon since like 2 years ago, but he's still making some waves out there.
In his second start since being promoted to Iowa (still only 22 years old) he's currently at 7 IP, 3 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 8 K.
The concern has been in the lack of Ks, but he's up to over 8 K/9, which is the highest of his career.
Kid has a chance.
(https://sneakerbardetroit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/fresh-prince.jpg)
Like that has ever stopped me before.
Minor league pitcher of the year, making his Cubs debut tomorrow.
Bump for the Cubs holding 5 of the first 100 picks in the draft (24,63,76,79,98 - Thanks, Wade and Jake) and being out of the International penalty box come July.
The hits just keep on coming.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on March 12, 2018, 08:10:25 AM
Bump for the Cubs holding 5 of the first 100 picks in the draft (24,63,76,79,98 - Thanks, Wade and Jake) and being out of the International penalty box come July.
The hits just keep on coming.
I laugh a lot because there's a general consensus among Cardinals fans (probably among Brewers fans and Pirates fans) that this Cubs window ends in 2021 and the Cardinals just need to keep their MUCH BETTER FARM SYSTEM going and pounce when the time is right. I don't get it. The Cubs aren't some small market team, they have the resources to extend members of the current core, supplement with guys like Harper when possible, and most of all the Cardinals having a "better farm" right now (one that still lacks any real star potential beyond the reddest of red flags in Reyes) means nothing when most of the Cubs core is younger than 26. The idea that Theo can't re-stock the cupboard without a top 5 draft pick every year is very weird and inaccurate historically.
Long story short they may not stay as good as they are with this core forever, but the odds that they do anything more than drop down into wildcard contention for a few years in 2021-2023 before gearing up for another run in 2025-On seem higher than the odds that once (or if) a bunch of this group leaves after 2021 they'll just tank again.
Quote from: SKO on March 12, 2018, 11:46:00 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on March 12, 2018, 08:10:25 AM
Bump for the Cubs holding 5 of the first 100 picks in the draft (24,63,76,79,98 - Thanks, Wade and Jake) and being out of the International penalty box come July.
The hits just keep on coming.
I laugh a lot because there's a general consensus among Cardinals fans (probably among Brewers fans and Pirates fans) that this Cubs window ends in 2021 and the Cardinals just need to keep their MUCH BETTER FARM SYSTEM going and pounce when the time is right. I don't get it. The Cubs aren't some small market team, they have the resources to extend members of the current core, supplement with guys like Harper when possible, and most of all the Cardinals having a "better farm" right now (one that still lacks any real star potential beyond the reddest of red flags in Reyes) means nothing when most of the Cubs core is younger than 26. The idea that Theo can't re-stock the cupboard without a top 5 draft pick every year is very weird and inaccurate historically.
Long story short they may not stay as good as they are with this core forever, but the odds that they do anything more than drop down into wildcard contention for a few years in 2021-2023 before gearing up for another run in 2025-On seem higher than the odds that once (or if) a bunch of this group leaves after 2021 they'll just tank again.
There are two wildcards here. 1) The next CBA. Who knows what will be in there, but I expect it to be more towards fewer arbitration years and a shorter period of time before free agency (perhaps 7 years from initial contract signing with MLB service time no longer being counted); and 2) If Crane actually manages to get the Cubs a network deal in line with what other teams have received.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on March 12, 2018, 02:12:59 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 12, 2018, 11:46:00 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on March 12, 2018, 08:10:25 AM
Bump for the Cubs holding 5 of the first 100 picks in the draft (24,63,76,79,98 - Thanks, Wade and Jake) and being out of the International penalty box come July.
The hits just keep on coming.
I laugh a lot because there's a general consensus among Cardinals fans (probably among Brewers fans and Pirates fans) that this Cubs window ends in 2021 and the Cardinals just need to keep their MUCH BETTER FARM SYSTEM going and pounce when the time is right. I don't get it. The Cubs aren't some small market team, they have the resources to extend members of the current core, supplement with guys like Harper when possible, and most of all the Cardinals having a "better farm" right now (one that still lacks any real star potential beyond the reddest of red flags in Reyes) means nothing when most of the Cubs core is younger than 26. The idea that Theo can't re-stock the cupboard without a top 5 draft pick every year is very weird and inaccurate historically.
Long story short they may not stay as good as they are with this core forever, but the odds that they do anything more than drop down into wildcard contention for a few years in 2021-2023 before gearing up for another run in 2025-On seem higher than the odds that once (or if) a bunch of this group leaves after 2021 they'll just tank again.
There are two wildcards here. 1) The next CBA. Who knows what will be in there, but I expect it to be more towards fewer arbitration years and a shorter period of time before free agency (perhaps 7 years from initial contract signing with MLB service time no longer being counted); and 2) If Crane actually manages to get the Cubs a network deal in line with what other teams have received.
As for the first, I have no idea, but a CBA would impact every team, so I would still expect that whatever happens the richer and smarter teams will have the advantage still, as they do now, even if that advantage isn't what it was in 2003 or whatever. Also I'm not sure exactly how accurate this is:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/193645/revenue-of-major-league-baseball-teams-in-2010/
But the Cubs in 2016 were 4th in MLB in revenues at 434 million. That's barely less than the Dodgers (462 million) and their vaunted cable deal, even with the Cubs current crappy TV set up. If they manage to secure a massive deal like LA got they'll probably rival the Yankees for top team, but even if they just stay where they are I don't see any reason why they couldn't outbid whomever for whatever they want.
Keeping the core together/keeping the team competitive will be about execution, they won't fail from lack of resources regardless. The Cubs are a license to print money.
Quote from: SKO on March 12, 2018, 11:46:00 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on March 12, 2018, 08:10:25 AM
Bump for the Cubs holding 5 of the first 100 picks in the draft (24,63,76,79,98 - Thanks, Wade and Jake) and being out of the International penalty box come July.
The hits just keep on coming.
I laugh a lot because there's a general consensus among Cardinals fans (probably among Brewers fans and Pirates fans) that this Cubs window ends in 2021 and the Cardinals just need to keep their MUCH BETTER FARM SYSTEM going and pounce when the time is right. I don't get it. The Cubs aren't some small market team, they have the resources to extend members of the current core, supplement with guys like Harper when possible, and most of all the Cardinals having a "better farm" right now (one that still lacks any real star potential beyond the reddest of red flags in Reyes) means nothing when most of the Cubs core is younger than 26. The idea that Theo can't re-stock the cupboard without a top 5 draft pick every year is very weird and inaccurate historically.
Long story short they may not stay as good as they are with this core forever, but the odds that they do anything more than drop down into wildcard contention for a few years in 2021-2023 before gearing up for another run in 2025-On seem higher than the odds that once (or if) a bunch of this group leaves after 2021 they'll just tank again.
I do think that there is a bit of a level-setter in the recent CBA...while the richer teams could use the international pool of players to buy prospects (Moncada, Soler, the serial killer with two first names the Sox signed last year are examples), the new CBA disallows that sort of spending. It really evens the playing field a lot. Of course it only serves to suppress amatuer signings but the days of the Cubs getting the top two international free agents, like with Gleyber and Eloy, are probably over.
That is of little concern as I think about the future but it is
something.
Quote from: Oleg on March 12, 2018, 02:56:31 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 12, 2018, 11:46:00 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on March 12, 2018, 08:10:25 AM
Bump for the Cubs holding 5 of the first 100 picks in the draft (24,63,76,79,98 - Thanks, Wade and Jake) and being out of the International penalty box come July.
The hits just keep on coming.
I laugh a lot because there's a general consensus among Cardinals fans (probably among Brewers fans and Pirates fans) that this Cubs window ends in 2021 and the Cardinals just need to keep their MUCH BETTER FARM SYSTEM going and pounce when the time is right. I don't get it. The Cubs aren't some small market team, they have the resources to extend members of the current core, supplement with guys like Harper when possible, and most of all the Cardinals having a "better farm" right now (one that still lacks any real star potential beyond the reddest of red flags in Reyes) means nothing when most of the Cubs core is younger than 26. The idea that Theo can't re-stock the cupboard without a top 5 draft pick every year is very weird and inaccurate historically.
Long story short they may not stay as good as they are with this core forever, but the odds that they do anything more than drop down into wildcard contention for a few years in 2021-2023 before gearing up for another run in 2025-On seem higher than the odds that once (or if) a bunch of this group leaves after 2021 they'll just tank again.
I do think that there is a bit of a level-setter in the recent CBA...while the richer teams could use the international pool of players to buy prospects (Moncada, Soler, the serial killer with two first names the Sox signed last year are examples), the new CBA disallows that sort of spending. It really evens the playing field a lot. Of course it only serves to suppress amatuer signings but the days of the Cubs getting the top two international free agents, like with Gleyber and Eloy, are probably over.
That is of little concern as I think about the future but it is something.
I think in the event that they curtail the amount of money teams can offer then the importance of your program, your recruiting pitch, your recent success at developing and getting guys to the majors, etc will take precedence. In which case the Cubs should remain a prime destination anyway.
Quote from: SKO on March 12, 2018, 03:08:54 PM
Quote from: Oleg on March 12, 2018, 02:56:31 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 12, 2018, 11:46:00 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on March 12, 2018, 08:10:25 AM
Bump for the Cubs holding 5 of the first 100 picks in the draft (24,63,76,79,98 - Thanks, Wade and Jake) and being out of the International penalty box come July.
The hits just keep on coming.
I laugh a lot because there's a general consensus among Cardinals fans (probably among Brewers fans and Pirates fans) that this Cubs window ends in 2021 and the Cardinals just need to keep their MUCH BETTER FARM SYSTEM going and pounce when the time is right. I don't get it. The Cubs aren't some small market team, they have the resources to extend members of the current core, supplement with guys like Harper when possible, and most of all the Cardinals having a "better farm" right now (one that still lacks any real star potential beyond the reddest of red flags in Reyes) means nothing when most of the Cubs core is younger than 26. The idea that Theo can't re-stock the cupboard without a top 5 draft pick every year is very weird and inaccurate historically.
Long story short they may not stay as good as they are with this core forever, but the odds that they do anything more than drop down into wildcard contention for a few years in 2021-2023 before gearing up for another run in 2025-On seem higher than the odds that once (or if) a bunch of this group leaves after 2021 they'll just tank again.
I do think that there is a bit of a level-setter in the recent CBA...while the richer teams could use the international pool of players to buy prospects (Moncada, Soler, the serial killer with two first names the Sox signed last year are examples), the new CBA disallows that sort of spending. It really evens the playing field a lot. Of course it only serves to suppress amatuer signings but the days of the Cubs getting the top two international free agents, like with Gleyber and Eloy, are probably over.
That is of little concern as I think about the future but it is something.
I think in the event that they curtail the amount of money teams can offer then the importance of your program, your recruiting pitch, your recent success at developing and getting guys to the majors, etc will take precedence. In which case the Cubs should remain a prime destination anyway.
These are 16 year old kids. All the care about is money and broads.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on March 12, 2018, 02:12:59 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 12, 2018, 11:46:00 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on March 12, 2018, 08:10:25 AM
Bump for the Cubs holding 5 of the first 100 picks in the draft (24,63,76,79,98 - Thanks, Wade and Jake) and being out of the International penalty box come July.
The hits just keep on coming.
I laugh a lot because there's a general consensus among Cardinals fans (probably among Brewers fans and Pirates fans) that this Cubs window ends in 2021 and the Cardinals just need to keep their MUCH BETTER FARM SYSTEM going and pounce when the time is right. I don't get it. The Cubs aren't some small market team, they have the resources to extend members of the current core, supplement with guys like Harper when possible, and most of all the Cardinals having a "better farm" right now (one that still lacks any real star potential beyond the reddest of red flags in Reyes) means nothing when most of the Cubs core is younger than 26. The idea that Theo can't re-stock the cupboard without a top 5 draft pick every year is very weird and inaccurate historically.
Long story short they may not stay as good as they are with this core forever, but the odds that they do anything more than drop down into wildcard contention for a few years in 2021-2023 before gearing up for another run in 2025-On seem higher than the odds that once (or if) a bunch of this group leaves after 2021 they'll just tank again.
There are two wildcards here. 1) The next CBA. Who knows what will be in there, but I expect it to be more towards fewer arbitration years and a shorter period of time before free agency (perhaps 7 years from initial contract signing with MLB service time no longer being counted); and 2) If Crane actually manages to get the Cubs a network deal in line with what other teams have received.
Yeah, because Tony Clark did such a bang-up job on this CBA - MLB walked right up to the salary cap line with no pushback.
Quote from: Oleg on March 12, 2018, 03:17:13 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 12, 2018, 03:08:54 PM
Quote from: Oleg on March 12, 2018, 02:56:31 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 12, 2018, 11:46:00 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on March 12, 2018, 08:10:25 AM
Bump for the Cubs holding 5 of the first 100 picks in the draft (24,63,76,79,98 - Thanks, Wade and Jake) and being out of the International penalty box come July.
The hits just keep on coming.
I laugh a lot because there's a general consensus among Cardinals fans (probably among Brewers fans and Pirates fans) that this Cubs window ends in 2021 and the Cardinals just need to keep their MUCH BETTER FARM SYSTEM going and pounce when the time is right. I don't get it. The Cubs aren't some small market team, they have the resources to extend members of the current core, supplement with guys like Harper when possible, and most of all the Cardinals having a "better farm" right now (one that still lacks any real star potential beyond the reddest of red flags in Reyes) means nothing when most of the Cubs core is younger than 26. The idea that Theo can't re-stock the cupboard without a top 5 draft pick every year is very weird and inaccurate historically.
Long story short they may not stay as good as they are with this core forever, but the odds that they do anything more than drop down into wildcard contention for a few years in 2021-2023 before gearing up for another run in 2025-On seem higher than the odds that once (or if) a bunch of this group leaves after 2021 they'll just tank again.
I do think that there is a bit of a level-setter in the recent CBA...while the richer teams could use the international pool of players to buy prospects (Moncada, Soler, the serial killer with two first names the Sox signed last year are examples), the new CBA disallows that sort of spending. It really evens the playing field a lot. Of course it only serves to suppress amatuer signings but the days of the Cubs getting the top two international free agents, like with Gleyber and Eloy, are probably over.
That is of little concern as I think about the future but it is something.
I think in the event that they curtail the amount of money teams can offer then the importance of your program, your recruiting pitch, your recent success at developing and getting guys to the majors, etc will take precedence. In which case the Cubs should remain a prime destination anyway.
These are 16 year old kids. All the care about is money and broads.
They have agents to take care of the other stuff.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on March 13, 2018, 10:09:31 AM
Quote from: Oleg on March 12, 2018, 03:17:13 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 12, 2018, 03:08:54 PM
Quote from: Oleg on March 12, 2018, 02:56:31 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 12, 2018, 11:46:00 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on March 12, 2018, 08:10:25 AM
Bump for the Cubs holding 5 of the first 100 picks in the draft (24,63,76,79,98 - Thanks, Wade and Jake) and being out of the International penalty box come July.
The hits just keep on coming.
I laugh a lot because there's a general consensus among Cardinals fans (probably among Brewers fans and Pirates fans) that this Cubs window ends in 2021 and the Cardinals just need to keep their MUCH BETTER FARM SYSTEM going and pounce when the time is right. I don't get it. The Cubs aren't some small market team, they have the resources to extend members of the current core, supplement with guys like Harper when possible, and most of all the Cardinals having a "better farm" right now (one that still lacks any real star potential beyond the reddest of red flags in Reyes) means nothing when most of the Cubs core is younger than 26. The idea that Theo can't re-stock the cupboard without a top 5 draft pick every year is very weird and inaccurate historically.
Long story short they may not stay as good as they are with this core forever, but the odds that they do anything more than drop down into wildcard contention for a few years in 2021-2023 before gearing up for another run in 2025-On seem higher than the odds that once (or if) a bunch of this group leaves after 2021 they'll just tank again.
I do think that there is a bit of a level-setter in the recent CBA...while the richer teams could use the international pool of players to buy prospects (Moncada, Soler, the serial killer with two first names the Sox signed last year are examples), the new CBA disallows that sort of spending. It really evens the playing field a lot. Of course it only serves to suppress amatuer signings but the days of the Cubs getting the top two international free agents, like with Gleyber and Eloy, are probably over.
That is of little concern as I think about the future but it is something.
I think in the event that they curtail the amount of money teams can offer then the importance of your program, your recruiting pitch, your recent success at developing and getting guys to the majors, etc will take precedence. In which case the Cubs should remain a prime destination anyway.
These are 16 year old kids. All the care about is money and broads.
They have agents to take care of the other stuff.
Yeah and if you sell a kid on how well you develop prospects and get them to the majors, where they get big league salaries and perks and fame, you can probably convince them your 650 K is worth more than the Orioles 675 K since that's likely the only money you'll ever make after they f--k you up and your career plateaus in AA.
In the first round of this year's draft the Cubs selected SS Nico Hoerner.
From Stanford.
Has anybody checked on Stew to make sure he's OK?
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 05, 2018, 08:28:18 AM
In the first round of this year's draft the Cubs selected SS Nico Hoerner.
From Stanford.
Has anybody checked on Stew to make sure he's OK?
I did see one normally sane person ranting that "singles hitting shortstops are available in the 20th round." For sure, dude. You know the MLB draft pool better than Theo and Co.
You can second guess front offices and I certainly do but when half of the first round picks in the MLB draft won't even make the majors I really don't see the point about getting mad about individual picks. Nobody knows what any of these kids are going to do. The Astros are as well-run and analytical as any team in baseball history and they fucked up the number one overall pick two years in a row, passing on the chance to play Kris Bryant next to Carlos Correa in the process.
Quote from: SKO on June 05, 2018, 08:33:09 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 05, 2018, 08:28:18 AM
In the first round of this year's draft the Cubs selected SS Nico Hoerner.
From Stanford.
Has anybody checked on Stew to make sure he's OK?
I did see one normally sane person ranting that "singles hitting shortstops are available in the 20th round." For sure, dude. You know the MLB draft pool better than Theo and Co.
You can second guess front offices and I certainly do but when half of the first round picks in the MLB draft won't even make the majors I really don't see the point about getting mad about individual picks. Nobody knows what any of these kids are going to do. The Astros are as well-run and analytical as any team in baseball history and they fucked up the number one overall pick two years in a row, passing on the chance to play Kris Bryant next to Carlos Correa in the process.
All I know is, all the Cubs have to do is draft this kid (https://www.perfectgame.org/Players/Playerprofile.aspx?ID=383253) for this year's draft to be declared a rousing success.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 05, 2018, 08:28:18 AM
In the first round of this year's draft the Cubs selected SS Nico Hoerner.
From Stanford.
Has anybody checked on Stew to make sure he's OK?
It will be a while before he gets to the Majors, and when he does it may not be with the Cubs. So I have a little breathing room.
Dakota Mekkes is done toying with AA hitters. He and the suddenly-utterly-fucking-dominant Dillon Maples (last 10 outings - 10IP, 5H, 0ER, 5BB, 18K) are going to have to duke it out for a chance to make the Cubs.
Quality international talent added to the system today, including the #5 overall rated prospect by MLB.com. (https://www.mlb.com/news/cubs-to-sign-no-5-prospect-richard-gallardo/c-283427222)
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 02, 2018, 08:35:16 PM
Quality international talent added to the system today, including the #5 overall rated prospect by MLB.com. (https://www.mlb.com/news/cubs-to-sign-no-5-prospect-richard-gallardo/c-283427222)
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The Cubs' desire to sign above-average athletes with above-average baseball skills is one of the main reasons why they have been so successful on the international market.
Don't let anybody else know what Jepstink's strategy is, man!!!
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on July 03, 2018, 08:38:57 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on July 02, 2018, 08:35:16 PM
Quality international talent added to the system today, including the #5 overall rated prospect by MLB.com. (https://www.mlb.com/news/cubs-to-sign-no-5-prospect-richard-gallardo/c-283427222)
Quote
The Cubs' desire to sign above-average athletes with above-average baseball skills is one of the main reasons why they have been so successful on the international market.
Don't let anybody else know what Jepstink's strategy is, man!!!
"We noticed there's a market inefficiency in that a lot of teams invest in below-average players," said team president Theo Epstein. "We realized we could exploit that inefficiency by acquiring above-average players instead."
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2016, 02:19:00 PM
We don't have a Penstory thread, so I'm going to post this here, since there is some relevance...
I live across the street from a former Cubs prospect. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.cgi?id=weiss-001sco) We live in a cul-de-sac on a quiet street in suburbia outside of Boulder. It's a very close-knit street and most of the neighbors are pretty close overall. Kids playing together in the street, neighborhood BBQs, etc. Said prospect is also the head coach of the local high school baseball team. He has another job as well, though I don't know what it is. Overall, we're not that close with him and his family, but certainly friendly (borrowing various household goods from each other on multiple occasions.)
Multiple times he has seen my son and I in the street, practicing baseball. Hitting off a tee, playing catch, etc. He never offers any advice, and one time when I specifically asked him if he had any tips, he basically brushed it off and went inside. Not a bad dude, just a bit distant.
Backstory: He has a teenage son (big baseball player) and his wife died about 5 years back, before we moved in. Super sad. I think it was breast cancer. After his wife died, her sister moved in to help raise the boy. She doesn't have a family of her own. The relationship between Dad and Sister-in-Law is super weird. We assumed for the first couple of years that they were a married couple and she was the boy's mom. We're still not 100% sure what the relationship is between the adults, in terms of intimacy, but it's ultimately neither here nor there. It's weird and fun to speculate, but doesn't change the day-to-day dynamics whether she sleeps with him or she has her own room or whatever. Still, for those of you for whom this is relevant, imagine your brother dying and then you drop everything in your life and move in with your sister-in-law to raise their kid. It's at least a little bizarre.
Fast forward to about 18 months ago...
They get their car broken into in the driveway. We live in a very safe neighborhood, but it's the suburbs so this shit happens sometimes. The car was unlocked in the driveway and the robber(s) stole some golf clubs. I think that was it. They didn't open the garage or enter the house. Still, plenty invasive and scary. The entire small-town police force was on the street in the middle of the night.
Since then, she has gone into epic paranoid mode.
At least once per week now, she stops my wife to ask her if she's seen (insert Car X here, this week it's a black Escalade) driving up and down the street. She is 100% convinced that there are people stalking her and casing her house. She has set-up many, many homemade "alerts" to see if people are on her property. Things like Kathy Bates in Misery with the hair in the book. Strategically placing branches in the backyard and then being terrified because they weren't exactly how she remembered them. Putting fishing wire on the back gate (the house backs to a walking pathway) and saying the line was snapped. While I can't see them, she apparently has cameras all over the outside of the house and spends much of her nights watching the cameras from the inside, looking for shadows (of which she has seen many.) On a couple occasions when Dad and Son have been away at a baseball tournament, she'll stay in a hotel because she can't handle being in the house alone. She texts my wife regularly to ask if there are any cars parked in front of her house. She confronts landscapers in the neighborhood and yells at them to get away from the area (we have a park at the end of the street that the HOA maintains.)
Yesterday, she saw my wife in Whole Foods/Target/Safeway (I wasn't fully listening) and said "I KNOW YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME BUT THIS IS TRUE." Aggressively.
It's a really sad situation, living across from the street from someone who truly never has peace in life because she's terrified of everyone.
So, Penstory short, I live across the street from a former Cubs prospect who won't ever fucking help my kid play baseball and his psychotic sister-in-law who has turned her entire house into a panic room for fear that "men" are out to get her.
Turns out she wasn't his sister-in-law, she was his girlfriend. We ended up getting to know her really well. She just killed herself.
It's all really sad.
Quote from: PenFoe on January 18, 2019, 01:00:43 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2016, 02:19:00 PM
We don't have a Penstory thread, so I'm going to post this here, since there is some relevance...
I live across the street from a former Cubs prospect. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.cgi?id=weiss-001sco) We live in a cul-de-sac on a quiet street in suburbia outside of Boulder. It's a very close-knit street and most of the neighbors are pretty close overall. Kids playing together in the street, neighborhood BBQs, etc. Said prospect is also the head coach of the local high school baseball team. He has another job as well, though I don't know what it is. Overall, we're not that close with him and his family, but certainly friendly (borrowing various household goods from each other on multiple occasions.)
Multiple times he has seen my son and I in the street, practicing baseball. Hitting off a tee, playing catch, etc. He never offers any advice, and one time when I specifically asked him if he had any tips, he basically brushed it off and went inside. Not a bad dude, just a bit distant.
Backstory: He has a teenage son (big baseball player) and his wife died about 5 years back, before we moved in. Super sad. I think it was breast cancer. After his wife died, her sister moved in to help raise the boy. She doesn't have a family of her own. The relationship between Dad and Sister-in-Law is super weird. We assumed for the first couple of years that they were a married couple and she was the boy's mom. We're still not 100% sure what the relationship is between the adults, in terms of intimacy, but it's ultimately neither here nor there. It's weird and fun to speculate, but doesn't change the day-to-day dynamics whether she sleeps with him or she has her own room or whatever. Still, for those of you for whom this is relevant, imagine your brother dying and then you drop everything in your life and move in with your sister-in-law to raise their kid. It's at least a little bizarre.
Fast forward to about 18 months ago...
They get their car broken into in the driveway. We live in a very safe neighborhood, but it's the suburbs so this shit happens sometimes. The car was unlocked in the driveway and the robber(s) stole some golf clubs. I think that was it. They didn't open the garage or enter the house. Still, plenty invasive and scary. The entire small-town police force was on the street in the middle of the night.
Since then, she has gone into epic paranoid mode.
At least once per week now, she stops my wife to ask her if she's seen (insert Car X here, this week it's a black Escalade) driving up and down the street. She is 100% convinced that there are people stalking her and casing her house. She has set-up many, many homemade "alerts" to see if people are on her property. Things like Kathy Bates in Misery with the hair in the book. Strategically placing branches in the backyard and then being terrified because they weren't exactly how she remembered them. Putting fishing wire on the back gate (the house backs to a walking pathway) and saying the line was snapped. While I can't see them, she apparently has cameras all over the outside of the house and spends much of her nights watching the cameras from the inside, looking for shadows (of which she has seen many.) On a couple occasions when Dad and Son have been away at a baseball tournament, she'll stay in a hotel because she can't handle being in the house alone. She texts my wife regularly to ask if there are any cars parked in front of her house. She confronts landscapers in the neighborhood and yells at them to get away from the area (we have a park at the end of the street that the HOA maintains.)
Yesterday, she saw my wife in Whole Foods/Target/Safeway (I wasn't fully listening) and said "I KNOW YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME BUT THIS IS TRUE." Aggressively.
It's a really sad situation, living across from the street from someone who truly never has peace in life because she's terrified of everyone.
So, Penstory short, I live across the street from a former Cubs prospect who won't ever fucking help my kid play baseball and his psychotic sister-in-law who has turned her entire house into a panic room for fear that "men" are out to get her.
Turns out she wasn't his sister-in-law, she was his girlfriend. We ended up getting to know her really well. She just killed herself.
It's all really sad.
Man, that sucks. I feel bad for the teenage son - he's had two mom figures in his life, and they're both gone. That can't be easy.
Quote from: PenFoe on January 18, 2019, 01:00:43 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 29, 2016, 02:19:00 PM
We don't have a Penstory thread, so I'm going to post this here, since there is some relevance...
I live across the street from a former Cubs prospect. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.cgi?id=weiss-001sco) We live in a cul-de-sac on a quiet street in suburbia outside of Boulder. It's a very close-knit street and most of the neighbors are pretty close overall. Kids playing together in the street, neighborhood BBQs, etc. Said prospect is also the head coach of the local high school baseball team. He has another job as well, though I don't know what it is. Overall, we're not that close with him and his family, but certainly friendly (borrowing various household goods from each other on multiple occasions.)
Multiple times he has seen my son and I in the street, practicing baseball. Hitting off a tee, playing catch, etc. He never offers any advice, and one time when I specifically asked him if he had any tips, he basically brushed it off and went inside. Not a bad dude, just a bit distant.
Backstory: He has a teenage son (big baseball player) and his wife died about 5 years back, before we moved in. Super sad. I think it was breast cancer. After his wife died, her sister moved in to help raise the boy. She doesn't have a family of her own. The relationship between Dad and Sister-in-Law is super weird. We assumed for the first couple of years that they were a married couple and she was the boy's mom. We're still not 100% sure what the relationship is between the adults, in terms of intimacy, but it's ultimately neither here nor there. It's weird and fun to speculate, but doesn't change the day-to-day dynamics whether she sleeps with him or she has her own room or whatever. Still, for those of you for whom this is relevant, imagine your brother dying and then you drop everything in your life and move in with your sister-in-law to raise their kid. It's at least a little bizarre.
Fast forward to about 18 months ago...
They get their car broken into in the driveway. We live in a very safe neighborhood, but it's the suburbs so this shit happens sometimes. The car was unlocked in the driveway and the robber(s) stole some golf clubs. I think that was it. They didn't open the garage or enter the house. Still, plenty invasive and scary. The entire small-town police force was on the street in the middle of the night.
Since then, she has gone into epic paranoid mode.
At least once per week now, she stops my wife to ask her if she's seen (insert Car X here, this week it's a black Escalade) driving up and down the street. She is 100% convinced that there are people stalking her and casing her house. She has set-up many, many homemade "alerts" to see if people are on her property. Things like Kathy Bates in Misery with the hair in the book. Strategically placing branches in the backyard and then being terrified because they weren't exactly how she remembered them. Putting fishing wire on the back gate (the house backs to a walking pathway) and saying the line was snapped. While I can't see them, she apparently has cameras all over the outside of the house and spends much of her nights watching the cameras from the inside, looking for shadows (of which she has seen many.) On a couple occasions when Dad and Son have been away at a baseball tournament, she'll stay in a hotel because she can't handle being in the house alone. She texts my wife regularly to ask if there are any cars parked in front of her house. She confronts landscapers in the neighborhood and yells at them to get away from the area (we have a park at the end of the street that the HOA maintains.)
Yesterday, she saw my wife in Whole Foods/Target/Safeway (I wasn't fully listening) and said "I KNOW YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME BUT THIS IS TRUE." Aggressively.
It's a really sad situation, living across from the street from someone who truly never has peace in life because she's terrified of everyone.
So, Penstory short, I live across the street from a former Cubs prospect who won't ever fucking help my kid play baseball and his psychotic sister-in-law who has turned her entire house into a panic room for fear that "men" are out to get her.
Turns out she wasn't his sister-in-law, she was his girlfriend. We ended up getting to know her really well. She just killed herself.
It's all really sad.
I was going to write a long screed about Henry the Eighth and Catherine of Aragon, but fortunately I came to my senses.