Hey guys, this is probably in poor form but I've got stars in my eyes.
Every mention on Soler talks about his body, which makes me think he'll suck. But I really want to believe...
Quote from: BH on February 25, 2013, 09:30:48 AM
Every mention on Soler talks about his body, which makes me think he'll suck. But I really want to believe...
Really? I've seen plenty of highlights of giant homers and plenty of talk about his arm, speed, and gorgeous swing.
But if you're just putting up your guard I honestly don't blame you.
Quote from: Slaky on February 25, 2013, 09:33:29 AM
Quote from: BH on February 25, 2013, 09:30:48 AM
Every mention on Soler talks about his body, which makes me think he'll suck. But I really want to believe...
Really? I've seen plenty of highlights of giant homers and plenty of talk about his arm, speed, and gorgeous swing.
But if you're just putting up your guard I honestly don't blame you.
He seems different, in that he isn't striking out on 4 pitches every at bat.. and you'd have to think the minor league instructors will have a plan for the first time in forever.. I'm not sure what to think, it's an odd feeling. Baez, Soler, vizcaino, vogelbach all seem like legit prospects. And we have the #2 pick in the draft. What a time to be alive.
Quote from: BH on February 25, 2013, 09:43:46 AM
Quote from: Slaky on February 25, 2013, 09:33:29 AM
Quote from: BH on February 25, 2013, 09:30:48 AM
Every mention on Soler talks about his body, which makes me think he'll suck. But I really want to believe...
Really? I've seen plenty of highlights of giant homers and plenty of talk about his arm, speed, and gorgeous swing.
But if you're just putting up your guard I honestly don't blame you.
He seems different, in that he isn't striking out on 4 pitches every at bat.. and you'd have to think the minor league instructors will have a plan for the first time in forever.. I'm not sure what to think, it's an odd feeling. Baez, Soler, vizcaino, vogelbach all seem like legit prospects. And we have the #2 pick in the draft. What a time to be alive.
MONEYBALL TAKES TOO LONG
Quote from: BH on February 25, 2013, 09:43:46 AM
Quote from: Slaky on February 25, 2013, 09:33:29 AM
Quote from: BH on February 25, 2013, 09:30:48 AM
Every mention on Soler talks about his body, which makes me think he'll suck. But I really want to believe...
Really? I've seen plenty of highlights of giant homers and plenty of talk about his arm, speed, and gorgeous swing.
But if you're just putting up your guard I honestly don't blame you.
He seems different, in that he isn't striking out on 4 pitches every at bat.. and you'd have to think the minor league instructors will have a plan for the first time in forever.. I'm not sure what to think, it's an odd feeling. Baez, Soler, vizcaino, vogelbach all seem like legit prospects. And we have the #2 pick in the draft. What a time to be alive.
Don't forget Almora. He's going to be a fucking beast. I still wouldn't cash out on Brett Jackson or Josh Vitters just yet either.
This is very disconcerting.
It's probably time for a Huey-esque projection of the championship lineup for our Shy-town Cubbiez.
Jackson LF
Castro SS
Rizzo 1B
Meatcake Soler RF
Baez 3B
CaNo, Chuck 2B
Beaf Wellington C
Almora CF
Price
Snork
Garza
Vizcaino
Edwin
Some cheap bullpen guys Hoystink sign who are awesome
Now we can all look back on this post in a couple years and have a good chortle.
Quote from: R-V on February 25, 2013, 10:33:08 AM
It's probably time for a Huey-esque projection of the championship lineup for our Shy-town Cubbiez.
Jackson LF
Castro SS
Rizzo 1B
Meatcake Soler RF
Baez 3B
CaNo, Chuck 2B
Beaf Wellington C
Almora CF
Manaea
Price
Snork
Garza
Vizcaino
Edwin
Some cheap bullpen guys Hoystink sign who are awesome
Now we can all look back on this post in a couple years and have a good chortle.
2013 Drafted.
Meatcake Soler?
Quote from: Fork on February 25, 2013, 10:52:40 AM
Quote from: R-V on February 25, 2013, 10:33:08 AM
It's probably time for a Huey-esque projection of the championship lineup for our Shy-town Cubbiez.
Jackson LF
Castro SS
Rizzo 1B
Meatcake Soler RF
Baez 3B
CaNo, Chuck 2B
Beaf Wellington C
Almora CF
Manaea
Price
Snork
Garza
Vizcaino
Edwin
Some cheap bullpen guys Hoystink sign who are awesome
Now we can all look back on this post in a couple years and have a good chortle.
2013 Drafted.
Are they going to do a home/road split in the 6-man rotation, or just run it on 5 days rest?
Quote from: Fork on February 25, 2013, 10:03:16 AM
I still wouldn't cash out on Brett Jackson or Josh Vitters just yet either.
Very low advance rates if you are using them as collateral.
Quote from: PenFoe on February 25, 2013, 11:08:27 AM
Quote from: Fork on February 25, 2013, 10:52:40 AM
Quote from: R-V on February 25, 2013, 10:33:08 AM
It's probably time for a Huey-esque projection of the championship lineup for our Shy-town Cubbiez.
Jackson LF
Castro SS
Rizzo 1B
Meatcake Soler RF
Baez 3B
CaNo, Chuck 2B
Beaf Wellington C
Almora CF
Manaea
Price
Snork
Garza
Vizcaino
Edwin
Some cheap bullpen guys Hoystink sign who are awesome
Now we can all look back on this post in a couple years and have a good chortle.
2013 Drafted.
Are they going to do a home/road split in the 6-man rotation, or just run it on 5 days rest?
5 men pitching, one recovering from Tommy John Disease.
Quote from: Fork on February 25, 2013, 10:52:40 AM
Quote from: R-V on February 25, 2013, 10:33:08 AM
It's probably time for a Huey-esque projection of the championship lineup for our Shy-town Cubbiez.
Jackson LF
Castro SS
Rizzo 1B
Meatcake Soler RF
Baez 3B
CaNo, Chuck 2B
Beaf Wellington C
Almora CF
Manaea
Price
Snork
Garza
Vizcaino
Edwin
Some cheap bullpen guys Hoystink sign who are awesome
Now we can all look back on this post in a couple years and have a good chortle.
2013 Drafted.
Maybe, but the draft is a long ways off. I guess it's better than your last draft prediction (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=6721.msg254945#msg254945).
Is this DRLP?
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/jorge-soler-baseballs-next-big-propsect/
QuoteThe first thing that catches one's eye is Soler has the build of an elite athlete. He has a lean muscular frame that oozes athleticism.
QuoteSoler's upper legs are well developed and provide him with a powerful base.
QuoteHis chest and back are impressive too, but further growth of his upper half shouldn't be unexpected.
QuoteDespite the layoff, Soler's tools are exceptionally loud.
Quotespeed he generates with his hands and hips
Quoteenormous penis
QuoteHis hands begin in a high load and require minimal movement before he rifles them forward in conjunction with his hip turn
It feels kinda warm in here.
Quote from: Eli on March 12, 2013, 09:00:11 AM
Is this DRLP?
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/jorge-soler-baseballs-next-big-propsect/
QuoteThe first thing that catches one's eye is Soler has the build of an elite athlete. He has a lean muscular frame that oozes athleticism.
QuoteSoler's upper legs are well developed and provide him with a powerful base.
QuoteHis chest and back are impressive too, but further growth of his upper half shouldn't be unexpected.
QuoteDespite the layoff, Soler's tools are exceptionally loud.
Quotespeed he generates with his hands and hips
Quoteenormous penis
QuoteHis hands begin in a high load and require minimal movement before he rifles them forward in conjunction with his hip turn
It feels kinda warm in here.
I hope no one runs you off.
BUMP for this guy's own thread.
With him now reaching the 400 AB mark, here's where he's at, career-to-date:
.303/.370/.505 - 16 homers, and a 70/40 K/BB rate.
Pretty outstanding for a 22 year old.
Also, since he's under contract and he's on the 40-man, they can call him up anytime and not have to worry about some of the issues like with the other guys.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 08, 2014, 10:32:57 AM
BUMP for this guy's own thread.
With him now reaching the 400 AB mark, here's where he's at, career-to-date:
.303/.370/.505 - 16 homers, and a 70/40 K/BB rate.
Pretty outstanding for a 22 year old.
Also, since he's under contract and he's on the 40-man, they can call him up anytime and not have to worry about some of the issues like with the other guys.
I expect Soler Power to come to Wrigley in September (quick, someone call Lou Manfredini to tie this in with some promotion before the Cubs say bye-bye to WGN for good), if for no other reason that he'll need the AB's, and the bigs'll be the only place to do that in September (being on the 40-man makes this a slam-dunk IMO).
pretty proud of the thread title if I do say so.
Quote from: Slaky on July 09, 2014, 12:53:59 AM
pretty proud of the thread title if I do say so.
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It deserves mention in the thread title hall of fame.
So far in AA this year:
20-47 with 14 of those 20 hits being for extra bases (9 doubles, 5 homers.)
11 Ks, 6 BBs.
.426/.491/.936
We would be splooging all over if his Slugging was his OPS.
Also, I read somewhere today that Keith Law actually preferred Soler to both Puig and Cespedes as a prospect.
So, take that for what it's worth.
Maybe here (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/post/_/id/177/jorge-soler-talent-top-five-pick-mlb-draft), but it's Insider-protected, so I don't know.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 14, 2014, 10:55:49 AM
So far in AA this year:
20-47 with 14 of those 20 hits being for extra bases (9 doubles, 5 homers.)
11 Ks, 6 BBs.
.426/.491/.936
We would be splooging all over if his Slugging was his OPS.
Also, I read somewhere today that Keith Law actually preferred Soler to both Puig and Cespedes as a prospect.
So, take that for what it's worth.
Maybe here (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/post/_/id/177/jorge-soler-talent-top-five-pick-mlb-draft), but it's Insider-protected, so I don't know.
Health is the only issue here. Probably a shot to see him in September in Chicago. He's under contract so service time isn't an issue.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 14, 2014, 11:07:32 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 14, 2014, 10:55:49 AM
So far in AA this year:
20-47 with 14 of those 20 hits being for extra bases (9 doubles, 5 homers.)
11 Ks, 6 BBs.
.426/.491/.936
We would be splooging all over if his Slugging was his OPS.
Also, I read somewhere today that Keith Law actually preferred Soler to both Puig and Cespedes as a prospect.
So, take that for what it's worth.
Maybe here (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/post/_/id/177/jorge-soler-talent-top-five-pick-mlb-draft), but it's Insider-protected, so I don't know.
Health is the only issue here. Probably a shot to see him in September in Chicago. He's under contract so service time isn't an issue.
Thanks (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8389.msg277464#msg277464) for not scrolling up 6 inches.
Quote from: PenFoe on July 14, 2014, 11:08:59 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 14, 2014, 11:07:32 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 14, 2014, 10:55:49 AM
So far in AA this year:
20-47 with 14 of those 20 hits being for extra bases (9 doubles, 5 homers.)
11 Ks, 6 BBs.
.426/.491/.936
We would be splooging all over if his Slugging was his OPS.
Also, I read somewhere today that Keith Law actually preferred Soler to both Puig and Cespedes as a prospect.
So, take that for what it's worth.
Maybe here (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/post/_/id/177/jorge-soler-talent-top-five-pick-mlb-draft), but it's Insider-protected, so I don't know.
Health is the only issue here. Probably a shot to see him in September in Chicago. He's under contract so service time isn't an issue.
Thanks (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8389.msg277464#msg277464) for not scrolling up 6 inches.
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Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 14, 2014, 11:07:32 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 14, 2014, 10:55:49 AM
So far in AA this year:
20-47 with 14 of those 20 hits being for extra bases (9 doubles, 5 homers.)
11 Ks, 6 BBs.
.426/.491/.936
We would be splooging all over if his Slugging was his OPS.
Also, I read somewhere today that Keith Law actually preferred Soler to both Puig and Cespedes as a prospect.
So, take that for what it's worth.
Maybe here (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/post/_/id/177/jorge-soler-talent-top-five-pick-mlb-draft), but it's Insider-protected, so I don't know.
Health is the only issue here. Probably a shot to see him in September in Chicago. He's under contract so service time isn't an issue.
That's not quite right.
QuoteOnce Soler becomes eligible for salary arbitration, he will have the right to choose arbitration instead of the annual salaries specified by his contract, according to a major-league source.
http://www.sbnation.com/2012/6/11/3078976/jorge-soler-cubs-contract-opt-out
Jorge Soler named Southern League Player of the Week. (http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/biscuitcrumbs/2014/07/14/smokies-soler-generals-sanchez-land-league-awards/12631035/)
Quote
Soler was the league's hitter of the week after going 10-for-18 with four home runs and eight RBIs in six games.
...
Soler marks the fifth time the Smokies have won the hitter's award.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 14, 2014, 11:07:32 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 14, 2014, 10:55:49 AM
So far in AA this year:
20-47 with 14 of those 20 hits being for extra bases (9 doubles, 5 homers.)
11 Ks, 6 BBs.
.426/.491/.936
We would be splooging all over if his Slugging was his OPS.
Also, I read somewhere today that Keith Law actually preferred Soler to both Puig and Cespedes as a prospect.
So, take that for what it's worth.
Maybe here (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/post/_/id/177/jorge-soler-talent-top-five-pick-mlb-draft), but it's Insider-protected, so I don't know.
Health is the only issue here. Probably a shot to see him in September in Chicago. He's under contract so service time isn't an issue.
Literally every player in the Cubs system is "under contract," otherwise he wouldn't be there.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 14, 2014, 01:21:33 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 14, 2014, 11:07:32 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 14, 2014, 10:55:49 AM
So far in AA this year:
20-47 with 14 of those 20 hits being for extra bases (9 doubles, 5 homers.)
11 Ks, 6 BBs.
.426/.491/.936
We would be splooging all over if his Slugging was his OPS.
Also, I read somewhere today that Keith Law actually preferred Soler to both Puig and Cespedes as a prospect.
So, take that for what it's worth.
Maybe here (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/post/_/id/177/jorge-soler-talent-top-five-pick-mlb-draft), but it's Insider-protected, so I don't know.
Health is the only issue here. Probably a shot to see him in September in Chicago. He's under contract so service time isn't an issue.
Literally every player in the Cubs system is "under contract," otherwise he wouldn't be there.
(http://i.imgur.com/2rdd9.gif)
Quote from: PenFoe on July 14, 2014, 01:25:19 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on July 14, 2014, 01:21:33 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 14, 2014, 11:07:32 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 14, 2014, 10:55:49 AM
So far in AA this year:
20-47 with 14 of those 20 hits being for extra bases (9 doubles, 5 homers.)
11 Ks, 6 BBs.
.426/.491/.936
We would be splooging all over if his Slugging was his OPS.
Also, I read somewhere today that Keith Law actually preferred Soler to both Puig and Cespedes as a prospect.
So, take that for what it's worth.
Maybe here (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/post/_/id/177/jorge-soler-talent-top-five-pick-mlb-draft), but it's Insider-protected, so I don't know.
Health is the only issue here. Probably a shot to see him in September in Chicago. He's under contract so service time isn't an issue.
Literally every player in the Cubs system is "under contract," otherwise he wouldn't be there.
(http://i.imgur.com/2rdd9.gif)
I laughed.
Quote from: Eli on July 14, 2014, 11:57:55 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 14, 2014, 11:07:32 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 14, 2014, 10:55:49 AM
So far in AA this year:
20-47 with 14 of those 20 hits being for extra bases (9 doubles, 5 homers.)
11 Ks, 6 BBs.
.426/.491/.936
We would be splooging all over if his Slugging was his OPS.
Also, I read somewhere today that Keith Law actually preferred Soler to both Puig and Cespedes as a prospect.
So, take that for what it's worth.
Maybe here (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/post/_/id/177/jorge-soler-talent-top-five-pick-mlb-draft), but it's Insider-protected, so I don't know.
Health is the only issue here. Probably a shot to see him in September in Chicago. He's under contract so service time isn't an issue.
That's not quite right.
QuoteOnce Soler becomes eligible for salary arbitration, he will have the right to choose arbitration instead of the annual salaries specified by his contract, according to a major-league source.
http://www.sbnation.com/2012/6/11/3078976/jorge-soler-cubs-contract-opt-out
Service time
vis a vis free agency isn't an issue.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 14, 2014, 11:07:32 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 14, 2014, 10:55:49 AM
So far in AA this year:
20-47 with 14 of those 20 hits being for extra bases (9 doubles, 5 homers.)
11 Ks, 6 BBs.
.426/.491/.936
We would be splooging all over if his Slugging was his OPS.
Also, I read somewhere today that Keith Law actually preferred Soler to both Puig and Cespedes as a prospect.
So, take that for what it's worth.
Maybe here (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/post/_/id/177/jorge-soler-talent-top-five-pick-mlb-draft), but it's Insider-protected, so I don't know.
Health is the only issue here. Probably a shot to see him in September in Chicago. He's under contract so service time isn't an issue.
Plus, he's already on the 40-man. But if he stays in AA, he could hit Tennessee into the playoffs, and he could get more ABs there.
Quote from: Fork on July 14, 2014, 02:31:29 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 14, 2014, 11:07:32 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 14, 2014, 10:55:49 AM
So far in AA this year:
20-47 with 14 of those 20 hits being for extra bases (9 doubles, 5 homers.)
11 Ks, 6 BBs.
.426/.491/.936
We would be splooging all over if his Slugging was his OPS.
Also, I read somewhere today that Keith Law actually preferred Soler to both Puig and Cespedes as a prospect.
So, take that for what it's worth.
Maybe here (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/post/_/id/177/jorge-soler-talent-top-five-pick-mlb-draft), but it's Insider-protected, so I don't know.
Health is the only issue here. Probably a shot to see him in September in Chicago. He's under contract so service time isn't an issue.
Plus, he's already on the 40-man. But if he stays in AA, he could hit Tennessee into the playoffs, and he could get more ABs there.
Fork's main concern is that our farm teams give it their all in the playoffs.
Quote from: Fork on July 14, 2014, 02:31:29 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 14, 2014, 11:07:32 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 14, 2014, 10:55:49 AM
So far in AA this year:
20-47 with 14 of those 20 hits being for extra bases (9 doubles, 5 homers.)
11 Ks, 6 BBs.
.426/.491/.936
We would be splooging all over if his Slugging was his OPS.
Also, I read somewhere today that Keith Law actually preferred Soler to both Puig and Cespedes as a prospect.
So, take that for what it's worth.
Maybe here (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/post/_/id/177/jorge-soler-talent-top-five-pick-mlb-draft), but it's Insider-protected, so I don't know.
Health is the only issue here. Probably a shot to see him in September in Chicago. He's under contract so service time isn't an issue.
Plus, he's already on the 40-man. But if he stays in AA, he could hit Tennessee into the playoffs, and he could get more ABs there.
That would set up the play-action most splendidly.
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 02:38:19 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 14, 2014, 02:31:29 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 14, 2014, 11:07:32 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 14, 2014, 10:55:49 AM
So far in AA this year:
20-47 with 14 of those 20 hits being for extra bases (9 doubles, 5 homers.)
11 Ks, 6 BBs.
.426/.491/.936
We would be splooging all over if his Slugging was his OPS.
Also, I read somewhere today that Keith Law actually preferred Soler to both Puig and Cespedes as a prospect.
So, take that for what it's worth.
Maybe here (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/post/_/id/177/jorge-soler-talent-top-five-pick-mlb-draft), but it's Insider-protected, so I don't know.
Health is the only issue here. Probably a shot to see him in September in Chicago. He's under contract so service time isn't an issue.
Plus, he's already on the 40-man. But if he stays in AA, he could hit Tennessee into the playoffs, and he could get more ABs there.
Fork's main concern is that our farm teams give it their all in the playoffs.
I think he still genuinely assumes that minor-leagues wins correlate to ... anything.
Quote from: Eli on July 14, 2014, 02:52:54 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 02:38:19 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 14, 2014, 02:31:29 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 14, 2014, 11:07:32 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 14, 2014, 10:55:49 AM
So far in AA this year:
20-47 with 14 of those 20 hits being for extra bases (9 doubles, 5 homers.)
11 Ks, 6 BBs.
.426/.491/.936
We would be splooging all over if his Slugging was his OPS.
Also, I read somewhere today that Keith Law actually preferred Soler to both Puig and Cespedes as a prospect.
So, take that for what it's worth.
Maybe here (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/post/_/id/177/jorge-soler-talent-top-five-pick-mlb-draft), but it's Insider-protected, so I don't know.
Health is the only issue here. Probably a shot to see him in September in Chicago. He's under contract so service time isn't an issue.
Plus, he's already on the 40-man. But if he stays in AA, he could hit Tennessee into the playoffs, and he could get more ABs there.
Fork's main concern is that our farm teams give it their all in the playoffs.
I think he still genuinely assumes that minor-leagues wins correlate to ... anything.
I actually thought Fork was just looking for where Soler could get the most ABs, but I'm totally on board if we're just trying to make fun of him.
Quote from: Eli on July 14, 2014, 02:52:54 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 02:38:19 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 14, 2014, 02:31:29 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 14, 2014, 11:07:32 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 14, 2014, 10:55:49 AM
So far in AA this year:
20-47 with 14 of those 20 hits being for extra bases (9 doubles, 5 homers.)
11 Ks, 6 BBs.
.426/.491/.936
We would be splooging all over if his Slugging was his OPS.
Also, I read somewhere today that Keith Law actually preferred Soler to both Puig and Cespedes as a prospect.
So, take that for what it's worth.
Maybe here (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/post/_/id/177/jorge-soler-talent-top-five-pick-mlb-draft), but it's Insider-protected, so I don't know.
Health is the only issue here. Probably a shot to see him in September in Chicago. He's under contract so service time isn't an issue.
Plus, he's already on the 40-man. But if he stays in AA, he could hit Tennessee into the playoffs, and he could get more ABs there.
Fork's main concern is that our farm teams give it their all in the playoffs.
I think he still genuinely assumes that minor-leagues wins correlate to ... anything.
How long to AA playoffs last? Couldn't he win the AA crown, take home the AA playoff MVP award, mail a signed replica of it to Fork and still show up at Wrigley before the ivy turns purple?
Quote from: InternetApex on July 14, 2014, 02:56:44 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 14, 2014, 02:52:54 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 02:38:19 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 14, 2014, 02:31:29 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 14, 2014, 11:07:32 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 14, 2014, 10:55:49 AM
So far in AA this year:
20-47 with 14 of those 20 hits being for extra bases (9 doubles, 5 homers.)
11 Ks, 6 BBs.
.426/.491/.936
We would be splooging all over if his Slugging was his OPS.
Also, I read somewhere today that Keith Law actually preferred Soler to both Puig and Cespedes as a prospect.
So, take that for what it's worth.
Maybe here (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/post/_/id/177/jorge-soler-talent-top-five-pick-mlb-draft), but it's Insider-protected, so I don't know.
Health is the only issue here. Probably a shot to see him in September in Chicago. He's under contract so service time isn't an issue.
Plus, he's already on the 40-man. But if he stays in AA, he could hit Tennessee into the playoffs, and he could get more ABs there.
Fork's main concern is that our farm teams give it their all in the playoffs.
I think he still genuinely assumes that minor-leagues wins correlate to ... anything.
How long to AA playoffs last? Couldn't he win the AA crown, take home the AA playoff MVP award, mail a signed replica of it to Fork and still show up at Wrigley before the ivy turns purple?
Yes.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 14, 2014, 03:43:44 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 14, 2014, 02:56:44 PM
Quote from: Eli on July 14, 2014, 02:52:54 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 14, 2014, 02:38:19 PM
Quote from: Fork on July 14, 2014, 02:31:29 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on July 14, 2014, 11:07:32 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 14, 2014, 10:55:49 AM
So far in AA this year:
20-47 with 14 of those 20 hits being for extra bases (9 doubles, 5 homers.)
11 Ks, 6 BBs.
.426/.491/.936
We would be splooging all over if his Slugging was his OPS.
Also, I read somewhere today that Keith Law actually preferred Soler to both Puig and Cespedes as a prospect.
So, take that for what it's worth.
Maybe here (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/post/_/id/177/jorge-soler-talent-top-five-pick-mlb-draft), but it's Insider-protected, so I don't know.
Health is the only issue here. Probably a shot to see him in September in Chicago. He's under contract so service time isn't an issue.
Plus, he's already on the 40-man. But if he stays in AA, he could hit Tennessee into the playoffs, and he could get more ABs there.
Fork's main concern is that our farm teams give it their all in the playoffs.
I think he still genuinely assumes that minor-leagues wins correlate to ... anything.
How long to AA playoffs last? Couldn't he win the AA crown, take home the AA playoff MVP award, mail a signed replica of it to Fork and still show up at Wrigley before the ivy turns purple?
Yes.
The idea is getting him ABs, but if he continues outclassing AA pitching there's no value in keeping him there. Same thing with sending him to AFL for ABs after the season - he'd see better pitching in Winter Ball.
Jorge Soler. A Cub.
Do we still give out Desippys? This thread title deserves a lifetime achievement award.
Quote from: ChuckD on August 26, 2014, 08:40:06 AM
Do we still give out Desippys? This thread title deserves a lifetime achievement award.
I'm very proud of it.
Shower door: Obliterated.
Happy Jorge Soler Day
I look forward to doing this for Kris Bryant and Addison Russell in the near future.
I also look forward to doing it for Albert Almora when he finally arrives in the majors in 2017 with the Indians.
Quote from: Slaky on August 27, 2014, 08:25:55 AM
Happy Jorge Soler Day
I look forward to doing this for Kris Bryant and Addison Russell in the near future.
I also look forward to doing it for Albert Almora when he finally arrives in the majors in 2017 with the Indians.
Almora fro Kluber! Book it.
Quote from: Slaky on August 27, 2014, 08:25:55 AM
I also look forward to doing it for Albert Almora when he finally arrives in the majors in 2017 with the Indians.
We can just look forward to doing it for Billy McKinney instead when he arrives with the Cubs.
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2014, 09:09:13 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 27, 2014, 08:25:55 AM
I also look forward to doing it for Albert Almora when he finally arrives in the majors in 2017 with the Indians.
We can just look forward to doing it for Billy McKinney instead when he arrives with the Cubs.
That trade might end up being the most fucked up trade of all time. I'm not even joking.
Quote from: Slaky on August 27, 2014, 09:22:27 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2014, 09:09:13 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 27, 2014, 08:25:55 AM
I also look forward to doing it for Albert Almora when he finally arrives in the majors in 2017 with the Indians.
We can just look forward to doing it for Billy McKinney instead when he arrives with the Cubs.
That trade might end up being the most fucked up trade of all time. I'm not even joking.
Still won't stop numbnuts from bitching about Brock-for-Broglio.
Quote from: Fork on August 27, 2014, 09:43:37 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 27, 2014, 09:22:27 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2014, 09:09:13 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 27, 2014, 08:25:55 AM
I also look forward to doing it for Albert Almora when he finally arrives in the majors in 2017 with the Indians.
We can just look forward to doing it for Billy McKinney instead when he arrives with the Cubs.
That trade might end up being the most fucked up trade of all time. I'm not even joking.
Still won't stop numbnuts from bitching about Brock-for-Broglio.
The day the Cubs let a 26 year old Cy Young Award Winner go for NOTHING is the day that people should have commenced shutting the fuck up once and for all about Brock-for-Broglio but alas, that seems to not have happened.
Quote from: PANK! on August 27, 2014, 10:19:44 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 27, 2014, 09:43:37 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 27, 2014, 09:22:27 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2014, 09:09:13 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 27, 2014, 08:25:55 AM
I also look forward to doing it for Albert Almora when he finally arrives in the majors in 2017 with the Indians.
We can just look forward to doing it for Billy McKinney instead when he arrives with the Cubs.
That trade might end up being the most fucked up trade of all time. I'm not even joking.
Still won't stop numbnuts from bitching about Brock-for-Broglio.
The day the Cubs let a 26 year old Cy Young Award Winner go for NOTHING is the day that people should have commenced shutting the fuck up once and for all about Brock-for-Broglio but alas, that seems to not have happened.
Because Hendry righted that wrong already. Derp. WE retired his number and everything. It was awesome. I cried.
Quote from: PANK! on August 27, 2014, 10:19:44 AM
Quote from: Fork on August 27, 2014, 09:43:37 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 27, 2014, 09:22:27 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 27, 2014, 09:09:13 AM
Quote from: Slaky on August 27, 2014, 08:25:55 AM
I also look forward to doing it for Albert Almora when he finally arrives in the majors in 2017 with the Indians.
We can just look forward to doing it for Billy McKinney instead when he arrives with the Cubs.
That trade might end up being the most fucked up trade of all time. I'm not even joking.
Still won't stop numbnuts from bitching about Brock-for-Broglio.
The day the Cubs let a 26 year old Cy Young Award Winner go for NOTHING is the day that people should have commenced shutting the fuck up once and for all about Brock-for-Broglio but alas, that seems to not have happened.
This is the TRADE THREAD, please stay on topic.
My god that ball. My god.
This guy does not fuck around at the plate. He's going to give us some good feelings.
Time for a new gif. And on his first major league first swing too. Yowza.
Didn't watch the game (haven't really watched shit lately), so hadn't realized that the pitcher Soler went dong on was Latos. Which is so great.
Let that cumstain see visions of Soler, Bryant and Rizzo when he closes his eyes every night.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on August 29, 2014, 11:21:31 AM
Didn't watch the game (haven't really watched shit lately), so hadn't realized that the pitcher Soler went dong on was Latos. Which is so great.
Let that cumstain see visions of Soler, Bryant and Rizzo when he closes his eyes every night.
One of my good friends is a producer for MLB Network and the night of Soler's first game I was texting with him and trying to them to mention on-air Latos' history with beaning Bryant after the homer and the subsequent homer to Soler as well.
He said they were unaware of it.
Hopefully the Cubs can continue to shove it right up his ass for years to come.
Him and his idiot wife.
I'm in love. Ripped a curveball for a single in his first PA. Worked an 0-2 count in to a walk in his second PA. And just donged one to dead center in his 3rd PA.
SPAHLOOGE
Madre de dios.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on August 29, 2014, 09:35:31 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on August 29, 2014, 09:32:49 PM
SPAHLOOGE
New favorite player.
When does it become settled law that he's the best Cuban player in Chicago to all but the most meth-addled Ligues?
It'd probably be cheaper to just get a washable plastic shower liner, guys.
These kids, man. These fucking kids
Quote from: Eli on August 29, 2014, 10:22:36 PM
It'd probably be cheaper to just get a washable plastic shower liner, guys.
I assume you meant to direct this dead body disposal advice to Huey?
So Soler becomes the 2nd Cub to homer 3 times in his 1st 3 games in like 3 weeks . He and Baez being the only 2 to do that since 1954. Future's so bright, gotta wear shades kiddies.
The best part of the night was Len describing the BFIB's reaction to Soler's second HR, then saying, "better get used to it".
Soler's OPS+ is 488. Hee hee.
Quote from: Fork on August 30, 2014, 11:10:42 AM
The best part of the night was Len describing the BFIB's reaction to Soler's second HR, then saying, "better get used to it".
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Watching him play yesterday, I kept thinking of Dave Winfield. He's got the same style of play that looks like he's functioning at half-speed, while he's actually motoring.
I was hoping someone on the Brewers would try taking third on him. I wanted to see him air one out.
Quote from: Fork on September 02, 2014, 08:02:47 AM
Watching him play yesterday, I kept thinking of Dave Winfield. He's got the same style of play that looks like he's functioning at half-speed, while he's actually motoring.
I was hoping someone on the Brewers would try taking third on him. I wanted to see him air one out.
I believe that's the one part of his game we haven't seen yet, have we?
This is getting ridiculous.
Bump.
Showed up to camp 25 pounds heavier.
Unless he looks like Prince Fielder, let the juicing rumors begin.
Quote from: Fork on March 02, 2015, 07:07:40 PM
Bump.
Showed up to camp 25 pounds heavier.
Unless he looks like Prince Fielder, let the juicing rumors begin.
So do we file this under DOOOOOOOOOM, or does it matter whatsoever? Asking for a friend.
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The Bears can use a linebacker.
I'm not going to say he's not juicing. He probably is and so are Prince Fielder and Tony Campana. But for a 22-year-old to gain 25 pounds isn't that crazy. It's when the 32 year olds do it that you raise your eyebrow. If I recall correctly Yasiel Puig gained a bunch of weight before last season too. I think that there might be a difference in training and nutrition between here and Cuba. Also, all baseball players do PEDs so there's that.
Quote from: InternetApex on March 03, 2015, 12:40:06 PM
I'm not going to say he's not juicing. He probably is and so are Prince Fielder and Tony Campana. But for a 22-year-old to gain 25 pounds isn't that crazy. It's when the 32 year olds do it that you raise your eyebrow. If I recall correctly Yasiel Puig gained a bunch of weight before last season too. I think that there might be a difference in training and nutrition between here and Cuba. Also, all baseball players do PEDs so there's that.
Yeah. Well and this could be the first offseason since he came to the US where he could focus on building muscle rather than rehabbing one of his many injuries. There are logical reasons but who the fuck cares because DINGERS.
Quote from: SKO on March 03, 2015, 12:42:23 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 03, 2015, 12:40:06 PM
I'm not going to say he's not juicing. He probably is and so are Prince Fielder and Tony Campana. But for a 22-year-old to gain 25 pounds isn't that crazy. It's when the 32 year olds do it that you raise your eyebrow. If I recall correctly Yasiel Puig gained a bunch of weight before last season too. I think that there might be a difference in training and nutrition between here and Cuba. Also, all baseball players do PEDs so there's that.
Yeah. Well and this could be the first offseason since he came to the US where he could focus on building muscle rather than rehabbing one of his many injuries. There are logical reasons but who the fuck cares because DINGERS.
Exactly.
Quote from: InternetApex on March 03, 2015, 12:55:21 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 03, 2015, 12:42:23 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 03, 2015, 12:40:06 PM
I'm not going to say he's not juicing. He probably is and so are Prince Fielder and Tony Campana. But for a 22-year-old to gain 25 pounds isn't that crazy. It's when the 32 year olds do it that you raise your eyebrow. If I recall correctly Yasiel Puig gained a bunch of weight before last season too. I think that there might be a difference in training and nutrition between here and Cuba. Also, all baseball players do PEDs so there's that.
Yeah. Well and this could be the first offseason since he came to the US where he could focus on building muscle rather than rehabbing one of his many injuries. There are logical reasons but who the fuck cares because DINGERS.
Exactly.
If he makes this season half as much fun as Sosa made his juice years, sign me up.
Quote from: InternetApex on March 03, 2015, 12:40:06 PM
I think that there might be a difference in training and nutrition between here and Cuba.
Yeah. Roids are legal down there.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on March 03, 2015, 01:45:41 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 03, 2015, 12:40:06 PM
I think that there might be a difference in training and nutrition between here and Cuba.
Yeah. Roids are legal down there.
Is there anywhere in the Caribbean where it isn't? Other than the US-held islands like St. Thomas and Puerto Rico?
Quote from: Fork on March 03, 2015, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on March 03, 2015, 01:45:41 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 03, 2015, 12:40:06 PM
I think that there might be a difference in training and nutrition between here and Cuba.
Yeah. Roids are legal down there.
Is there anywhere in the Caribbean where it isn't? Other than the US-held islands like St. Thomas and Puerto Rico?
Legal in what sense? Doctors legally prescribe some steroids for all kinds of reasons. Maybe he is taking them for that nasty skin condition. Shingles can be a bitch.
Quote from: CBStew on March 03, 2015, 03:27:26 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 03, 2015, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on March 03, 2015, 01:45:41 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 03, 2015, 12:40:06 PM
I think that there might be a difference in training and nutrition between here and Cuba.
Yeah. Roids are legal down there.
Is there anywhere in the Caribbean where it isn't? Other than the US-held islands like St. Thomas and Puerto Rico?
Legal in what sense? Doctors legally prescribe some steroids for all kinds of reasons. Maybe he is taking them for that nasty skin condition. Shingles can be a bitch.
Every non-US port in the Caribbean has a pharmacy pretty much the second thing off the pier (after the liquor store). The biggest print in the windows are for Viagra, Xanax and Anabolics. All over the counter stuff down there.
Quote from: Fork on March 03, 2015, 03:49:14 PM
Quote from: CBStew on March 03, 2015, 03:27:26 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 03, 2015, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on March 03, 2015, 01:45:41 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 03, 2015, 12:40:06 PM
I think that there might be a difference in training and nutrition between here and Cuba.
Yeah. Roids are legal down there.
Is there anywhere in the Caribbean where it isn't? Other than the US-held islands like St. Thomas and Puerto Rico?
Legal in what sense? Doctors legally prescribe some steroids for all kinds of reasons. Maybe he is taking them for that nasty skin condition. Shingles can be a bitch.
Every non-US port in the Caribbean has a pharmacy pretty much the second thing off the pier (after the liquor store). The biggest print in the windows are for Viagra, Xanax and Anabolics. All over the counter stuff down there.
Good to know, since I'm heading to Jamaica in a few weeks. Guess I should stock up on cream, clear, and dick pills.
Quote from: Bort on March 03, 2015, 05:09:42 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 03, 2015, 03:49:14 PM
Quote from: CBStew on March 03, 2015, 03:27:26 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 03, 2015, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on March 03, 2015, 01:45:41 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 03, 2015, 12:40:06 PM
I think that there might be a difference in training and nutrition between here and Cuba.
Yeah. Roids are legal down there.
Is there anywhere in the Caribbean where it isn't? Other than the US-held islands like St. Thomas and Puerto Rico?
Legal in what sense? Doctors legally prescribe some steroids for all kinds of reasons. Maybe he is taking them for that nasty skin condition. Shingles can be a bitch.
Every non-US port in the Caribbean has a pharmacy pretty much the second thing off the pier (after the liquor store). The biggest print in the windows are for Viagra, Xanax and Anabolics. All over the counter stuff down there.
Good to know, since I'm heading to Jamaica in a few weeks. Guess I should stock up on cream, clear, and dick pills.
You'll need the female fertility stuff to for when you're cycling off to avoid the raisin balls.
Also, just because Soler was listed at 215 last year doesn't mean that was correct. I mean, you saw him. No fucking way.
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Quote from: Bort on March 03, 2015, 05:09:42 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 03, 2015, 03:49:14 PM
Quote from: CBStew on March 03, 2015, 03:27:26 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 03, 2015, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on March 03, 2015, 01:45:41 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 03, 2015, 12:40:06 PM
I think that there might be a difference in training and nutrition between here and Cuba.
Yeah. Roids are legal down there.
Is there anywhere in the Caribbean where it isn't? Other than the US-held islands like St. Thomas and Puerto Rico?
Legal in what sense? Doctors legally prescribe some steroids for all kinds of reasons. Maybe he is taking them for that nasty skin condition. Shingles can be a bitch.
Every non-US port in the Caribbean has a pharmacy pretty much the second thing off the pier (after the liquor store). The biggest print in the windows are for Viagra, Xanax and Anabolics. All over the counter stuff down there.
Good to know, since I'm heading to Jamaica in a few weeks. Guess I should stock up on cream, clear, and dick pills.
Say Blood Cloth a lot. Like a really, really lot. They love that down there.
Quote from: Fork on March 03, 2015, 07:21:02 PM
Quote from: Bort on March 03, 2015, 05:09:42 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 03, 2015, 03:49:14 PM
Quote from: CBStew on March 03, 2015, 03:27:26 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 03, 2015, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on March 03, 2015, 01:45:41 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 03, 2015, 12:40:06 PM
I think that there might be a difference in training and nutrition between here and Cuba.
Yeah. Roids are legal down there.
Is there anywhere in the Caribbean where it isn't? Other than the US-held islands like St. Thomas and Puerto Rico?
Legal in what sense? Doctors legally prescribe some steroids for all kinds of reasons. Maybe he is taking them for that nasty skin condition. Shingles can be a bitch.
Every non-US port in the Caribbean has a pharmacy pretty much the second thing off the pier (after the liquor store). The biggest print in the windows are for Viagra, Xanax and Anabolics. All over the counter stuff down there.
Good to know, since I'm heading to Jamaica in a few weeks. Guess I should stock up on cream, clear, and dick pills.
Say Blood Cloth a lot. Like a really, really lot. They love that down there.
bloodclot*
Hi, guys. Just wanted to place my sploosh in here.
Quote from: InternetApex on March 04, 2015, 09:26:41 AM
Quote from: Fork on March 03, 2015, 07:21:02 PM
Quote from: Bort on March 03, 2015, 05:09:42 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 03, 2015, 03:49:14 PM
Quote from: CBStew on March 03, 2015, 03:27:26 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 03, 2015, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on March 03, 2015, 01:45:41 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 03, 2015, 12:40:06 PM
I think that there might be a difference in training and nutrition between here and Cuba.
Yeah. Roids are legal down there.
Is there anywhere in the Caribbean where it isn't? Other than the US-held islands like St. Thomas and Puerto Rico?
Legal in what sense? Doctors legally prescribe some steroids for all kinds of reasons. Maybe he is taking them for that nasty skin condition. Shingles can be a bitch.
Every non-US port in the Caribbean has a pharmacy pretty much the second thing off the pier (after the liquor store). The biggest print in the windows are for Viagra, Xanax and Anabolics. All over the counter stuff down there.
Good to know, since I'm heading to Jamaica in a few weeks. Guess I should stock up on cream, clear, and dick pills.
Say Blood Cloth a lot. Like a really, really lot. They love that down there.
bloodclot*
That's the phoenetic spelling. But yeah, they love when you say that shit.
Quote from: Fork on March 05, 2015, 08:53:25 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 04, 2015, 09:26:41 AM
Quote from: Fork on March 03, 2015, 07:21:02 PM
Quote from: Bort on March 03, 2015, 05:09:42 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 03, 2015, 03:49:14 PM
Quote from: CBStew on March 03, 2015, 03:27:26 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 03, 2015, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on March 03, 2015, 01:45:41 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 03, 2015, 12:40:06 PM
I think that there might be a difference in training and nutrition between here and Cuba.
Yeah. Roids are legal down there.
Is there anywhere in the Caribbean where it isn't? Other than the US-held islands like St. Thomas and Puerto Rico?
Legal in what sense? Doctors legally prescribe some steroids for all kinds of reasons. Maybe he is taking them for that nasty skin condition. Shingles can be a bitch.
Every non-US port in the Caribbean has a pharmacy pretty much the second thing off the pier (after the liquor store). The biggest print in the windows are for Viagra, Xanax and Anabolics. All over the counter stuff down there.
Good to know, since I'm heading to Jamaica in a few weeks. Guess I should stock up on cream, clear, and dick pills.
Say Blood Cloth a lot. Like a really, really lot. They love that down there.
bloodclot*
That's the phoenetic spelling. But yeah, they love when you say that shit.
It's like saying fuck. It doesn't have the same meaning of course, but the same effect. "What the bloodclot?" is "What the fuck?"
You bumbaclot - you asswipe
It's just common vulgarity and not for use in polite company.
Quote from: InternetApex on March 05, 2015, 11:26:02 AM
Quote from: Fork on March 05, 2015, 08:53:25 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 04, 2015, 09:26:41 AM
Quote from: Fork on March 03, 2015, 07:21:02 PM
Quote from: Bort on March 03, 2015, 05:09:42 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 03, 2015, 03:49:14 PM
Quote from: CBStew on March 03, 2015, 03:27:26 PM
Quote from: Fork on March 03, 2015, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on March 03, 2015, 01:45:41 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 03, 2015, 12:40:06 PM
I think that there might be a difference in training and nutrition between here and Cuba.
Yeah. Roids are legal down there.
Is there anywhere in the Caribbean where it isn't? Other than the US-held islands like St. Thomas and Puerto Rico?
Legal in what sense? Doctors legally prescribe some steroids for all kinds of reasons. Maybe he is taking them for that nasty skin condition. Shingles can be a bitch.
Every non-US port in the Caribbean has a pharmacy pretty much the second thing off the pier (after the liquor store). The biggest print in the windows are for Viagra, Xanax and Anabolics. All over the counter stuff down there.
Good to know, since I'm heading to Jamaica in a few weeks. Guess I should stock up on cream, clear, and dick pills.
Say Blood Cloth a lot. Like a really, really lot. They love that down there.
bloodclot*
That's the phoenetic spelling. But yeah, they love when you say that shit.
It's like saying fuck. It doesn't have the same meaning of course, but the same effect. "What the bloodclot?" is "What the fuck?"
You bumbaclot - you asswipe
It's just common vulgarity and not for use in polite company.
The literal translation is "used tampon" - hence the word "cloth". Depending on where you are when you say it, you'll actually get ticketed and have to pay a fine. I know in Barbados it's around $3 if you're busted saying "Rass hole".
Mother of God.
Quote from: Eli on April 13, 2015, 09:21:15 PM
Mother of God.
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We're not worthy
Jorge Soler is Spanish for Andre Dawson.
Quote from: Fork on April 14, 2015, 07:36:29 AM
Jorge Soler is Spanish for Andre Dawson.
I get that Andrew Dawson is revered, but they're not that similar of players. I actually really like Maddon's comp of Vladimir Guerrero with actual plate discipline. Which is just so bonerific a thought I can barely handle it.
His gold rope game is fucking VICIOUS. It looks like they're going to have to try to get him out with high heat. His single in the 10th was stunning in that he took a pitcher's pitch and destroyed it with two strikes. Sosa and Soriano would have been road beef on that.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2015, 09:00:16 AM
His gold rope game is fucking VICIOUS. It looks like they're going to have to try to get him out with high heat. His single in the 10th was stunning in that he took a pitcher's pitch and destroyed it with two strikes. Sosa and Soriano would have been road beef on that.
Yeah that was the best part about all of the damage he did last night. It was all with 2 strikes, and they just couldn't put him away. The pitch he hit the second homer on, to take that pitch as far down as it was and drive it to dead center over the wall, christ almighty. I want to wear his skin. Er. Shirsey.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2015, 09:00:16 AM
Sosa and Soriano would have been road beef on that.
Soriano, probably. Sammy? We'd never know, because he would've taken that down-the-middle fastball from earlier in the at-bat off the new scoreboard.
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 09:13:18 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2015, 09:00:16 AM
Sosa and Soriano would have been road beef on that.
Soriano, probably. Sammy? We'd never know, because he would've taken that down-the-middle fastball from earlier in the at-bat off the new scoreboard.
I still can't believe they tried three straight fastballs. How long do they think it takes Jorge to time those?!
Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2015, 09:15:58 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 09:13:18 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2015, 09:00:16 AM
Sosa and Soriano would have been road beef on that.
Soriano, probably. Sammy? We'd never know, because he would've taken that down-the-middle fastball from earlier in the at-bat off the new scoreboard.
I still can't believe they tried three straight fastballs. How long do they think it takes Jorge to time those?!
Speaking of fastballs, was there ever an explanation as to why Chapman never went in?
Quote from: Fork on April 14, 2015, 09:18:10 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2015, 09:15:58 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 09:13:18 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2015, 09:00:16 AM
Sosa and Soriano would have been road beef on that.
Soriano, probably. Sammy? We'd never know, because he would've taken that down-the-middle fastball from earlier in the at-bat off the new scoreboard.
I still can't believe they tried three straight fastballs. How long do they think it takes Jorge to time those?!
Speaking of fastballs, was there ever an explanation as to why Chapman never went in?
Gotta save your closer if you don't have a lead on the road, dude. And he did pitch in a loss the previous night. I didn't see him warming up in the 10th. Was he?
Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2015, 08:58:28 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 14, 2015, 07:36:29 AM
Jorge Soler is Spanish for Andre Dawson.
I get that Andrew Dawson is revered, but they're not that similar of players. I actually really like Maddon's comp of Vladimir Guerrero with actual plate discipline. Which is just so bonerific a thought I can barely handle it.
Speaking of, Vlad Jr. is available in the international free agent pool this year. Do it, Theo
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2015, 09:19:04 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 14, 2015, 09:18:10 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2015, 09:15:58 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 09:13:18 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2015, 09:00:16 AM
Sosa and Soriano would have been road beef on that.
Soriano, probably. Sammy? We'd never know, because he would've taken that down-the-middle fastball from earlier in the at-bat off the new scoreboard.
I still can't believe they tried three straight fastballs. How long do they think it takes Jorge to time those?!
Speaking of fastballs, was there ever an explanation as to why Chapman never went in?
Gotta save your closer if you don't have a lead on the road, dude. And he did pitch in a loss the previous night. I didn't see him warming up in the 10th. Was he?
Mike Matheny nods in approval.
Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2015, 09:25:36 AM
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Sosa and Soriano would have been road beef on that.
Soriano, probably. Sammy? We'd never know, because he would've taken that down-the-middle fastball from earlier in the at-bat off the new scoreboard.
I still can't believe they tried three straight fastballs. How long do they think it takes Jorge to time those?!
Speaking of fastballs, was there ever an explanation as to why Chapman never went in?
Gotta save your closer if you don't have a lead on the road, dude. And he did pitch in a loss the previous night. I didn't see him warming up in the 10th. Was he?
Mike Matheny nods in approval.
It seemed like poor managing. But the Reds bullpen really puts them in a bind. Other than Chapman it's a total shitshow down there. If you're going to use Chapman at all, he needs to be warming up. Starting the inning with him in a tie game on the road is a desperation move which shows zero faith in your middle relief on April 13. But was Chapman warming up as soon as Parra started to shit the tub? If so, and he used Badenhoop instead, woah...
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2015, 09:34:43 AM
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Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2015, 09:00:16 AM
Sosa and Soriano would have been road beef on that.
Soriano, probably. Sammy? We'd never know, because he would've taken that down-the-middle fastball from earlier in the at-bat off the new scoreboard.
I still can't believe they tried three straight fastballs. How long do they think it takes Jorge to time those?!
Speaking of fastballs, was there ever an explanation as to why Chapman never went in?
Gotta save your closer if you don't have a lead on the road, dude. And he did pitch in a loss the previous night. I didn't see him warming up in the 10th. Was he?
Mike Matheny nods in approval.
It seemed like poor managing. But the Reds bullpen really puts them in a bind. Other than Chapman it's a total shitshow down there. If you're going to use Chapman at all, he needs to be warming up. Starting the inning with him in a tie game on the road is a desperation move which shows zero faith in your middle relief on April 13. But was Chapman warming up as soon as Parra started to shit the tub? If so, and he used Badenhoop instead, woah...
I saw online that Chapman did warm up earlier but then set down, fueling speculation that he wasn't feeling it.
Otherwise, terrible managing.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 14, 2015, 10:22:06 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2015, 09:34:43 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2015, 09:25:36 AM
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Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 09:13:18 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2015, 09:00:16 AM
Sosa and Soriano would have been road beef on that.
Soriano, probably. Sammy? We'd never know, because he would've taken that down-the-middle fastball from earlier in the at-bat off the new scoreboard.
I still can't believe they tried three straight fastballs. How long do they think it takes Jorge to time those?!
Speaking of fastballs, was there ever an explanation as to why Chapman never went in?
Gotta save your closer if you don't have a lead on the road, dude. And he did pitch in a loss the previous night. I didn't see him warming up in the 10th. Was he?
Mike Matheny nods in approval.
It seemed like poor managing. But the Reds bullpen really puts them in a bind. Other than Chapman it's a total shitshow down there. If you're going to use Chapman at all, he needs to be warming up. Starting the inning with him in a tie game on the road is a desperation move which shows zero faith in your middle relief on April 13. But was Chapman warming up as soon as Parra started to shit the tub? If so, and he used Badenhoop instead, woah...
I saw online that Chapman did warm up earlier but then set down, fueling speculation that he wasn't feeling it.
Otherwise, terrible managing.
Earlier, meaning the 8th when they had the lead or the 9th/10th? It makes a big difference.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2015, 10:29:19 AM
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Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 09:13:18 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2015, 09:00:16 AM
Sosa and Soriano would have been road beef on that.
Soriano, probably. Sammy? We'd never know, because he would've taken that down-the-middle fastball from earlier in the at-bat off the new scoreboard.
I still can't believe they tried three straight fastballs. How long do they think it takes Jorge to time those?!
Speaking of fastballs, was there ever an explanation as to why Chapman never went in?
Gotta save your closer if you don't have a lead on the road, dude. And he did pitch in a loss the previous night. I didn't see him warming up in the 10th. Was he?
Mike Matheny nods in approval.
It seemed like poor managing. But the Reds bullpen really puts them in a bind. Other than Chapman it's a total shitshow down there. If you're going to use Chapman at all, he needs to be warming up. Starting the inning with him in a tie game on the road is a desperation move which shows zero faith in your middle relief on April 13. But was Chapman warming up as soon as Parra started to shit the tub? If so, and he used Badenhoop instead, woah...
I saw online that Chapman did warm up earlier but then set down, fueling speculation that he wasn't feeling it.
Otherwise, terrible managing.
Earlier, meaning the 8th when they had the lead or the 9th/10th? It makes a big difference.
The 8th.
Point being, I believe he deemed himself unavailable for use.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 14, 2015, 10:36:31 AM
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Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2015, 09:19:04 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 14, 2015, 09:18:10 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2015, 09:15:58 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 09:13:18 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2015, 09:00:16 AM
Sosa and Soriano would have been road beef on that.
Soriano, probably. Sammy? We'd never know, because he would've taken that down-the-middle fastball from earlier in the at-bat off the new scoreboard.
I still can't believe they tried three straight fastballs. How long do they think it takes Jorge to time those?!
Speaking of fastballs, was there ever an explanation as to why Chapman never went in?
Gotta save your closer if you don't have a lead on the road, dude. And he did pitch in a loss the previous night. I didn't see him warming up in the 10th. Was he?
Mike Matheny nods in approval.
It seemed like poor managing. But the Reds bullpen really puts them in a bind. Other than Chapman it's a total shitshow down there. If you're going to use Chapman at all, he needs to be warming up. Starting the inning with him in a tie game on the road is a desperation move which shows zero faith in your middle relief on April 13. But was Chapman warming up as soon as Parra started to shit the tub? If so, and he used Badenhoop instead, woah...
I saw online that Chapman did warm up earlier but then set down, fueling speculation that he wasn't feeling it.
Otherwise, terrible managing.
Earlier, meaning the 8th when they had the lead or the 9th/10th? It makes a big difference.
The 8th.
Point being, I believe he deemed himself unavailable for use.
Told you this, did he?
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 09:13:18 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2015, 09:00:16 AM
Sosa and Soriano would have been road beef on that.
Soriano, probably. Sammy? We'd never know, because he would've taken that down-the-middle fastball from earlier in the at-bat off the new scoreboard.
For some reason I was thinking that this year's Cubs might be similar to the 2001, a few nice bats, with some better pitching. And apparently I forgot what a goddamned beast Sosa was that year. 203 OPS+, 10.3 WAR. I guess I always think of '98 as his best season since it gets the most hype thanks to the home run chase with McGwire and the team reaching the playoffs, but sweet baby Jesus, those numbers in '01 are goddamned incredible.
Quote from: CT III on April 14, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 09:13:18 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2015, 09:00:16 AM
Sosa and Soriano would have been road beef on that.
Soriano, probably. Sammy? We'd never know, because he would've taken that down-the-middle fastball from earlier in the at-bat off the new scoreboard.
For some reason I was thinking that this year's Cubs might be similar to the 2001, a few nice bats, with some better pitching. And apparently I forgot what a goddamned beast Sosa was that year. 203 OPS+, 10.3 WAR. I guess I always think of '98 as his best season since it gets the most hype thanks to the home run chase with McGwire and the team reaching the playoffs, but sweet baby Jesus, those numbers in '01 are goddamned incredible.
How many % of the way to home plate was he (practically) when he stepped up to home plate?
Quote from: ChuckD on April 14, 2015, 01:21:34 PM
Quote from: CT III on April 14, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 09:13:18 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2015, 09:00:16 AM
Sosa and Soriano would have been road beef on that.
Soriano, probably. Sammy? We'd never know, because he would've taken that down-the-middle fastball from earlier in the at-bat off the new scoreboard.
For some reason I was thinking that this year's Cubs might be similar to the 2001, a few nice bats, with some better pitching. And apparently I forgot what a goddamned beast Sosa was that year. 203 OPS+, 10.3 WAR. I guess I always think of '98 as his best season since it gets the most hype thanks to the home run chase with McGwire and the team reaching the playoffs, but sweet baby Jesus, those numbers in '01 are goddamned incredible.
How many % of the way to home plate was he (practically) when he stepped up to home plate?
Ironically, zero.
Quote from: CT III on April 14, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 09:13:18 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2015, 09:00:16 AM
Sosa and Soriano would have been road beef on that.
Soriano, probably. Sammy? We'd never know, because he would've taken that down-the-middle fastball from earlier in the at-bat off the new scoreboard.
For some reason I was thinking that this year's Cubs might be similar to the 2001, a few nice bats, with some better pitching. And apparently I forgot what a goddamned beast Sosa was that year. 203 OPS+, 10.3 WAR. I guess I always think of '98 as his best season since it gets the most hype thanks to the home run chase with McGwire and the team reaching the playoffs, but sweet baby Jesus, those numbers in '01 are goddamned incredible.
I have a vague recollection of his August that year and how he basically single-handedly kept them in the playoff hunt. 17 homers and a 1.405 OPS that month, which is about 300 points better than June of 1998, which more people probably remember.
This is the most Huey I've ever felt.
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 01:37:13 PM
Quote from: CT III on April 14, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 09:13:18 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2015, 09:00:16 AM
Sosa and Soriano would have been road beef on that.
Soriano, probably. Sammy? We'd never know, because he would've taken that down-the-middle fastball from earlier in the at-bat off the new scoreboard.
For some reason I was thinking that this year's Cubs might be similar to the 2001, a few nice bats, with some better pitching. And apparently I forgot what a goddamned beast Sosa was that year. 203 OPS+, 10.3 WAR. I guess I always think of '98 as his best season since it gets the most hype thanks to the home run chase with McGwire and the team reaching the playoffs, but sweet baby Jesus, those numbers in '01 are goddamned incredible.
I have a vague recollection of his August that year and how he basically single-handedly kept them in the playoff hunt. 17 homers and a 1.405 OPS that month, which is about 300 points better than June of 1998, which more people probably remember.
This is the most Huey I've ever felt.
I just remember, despite RBIs being kind of a pointless stat now, in 2001 I was 12 and I cared about them and Sammy had 98 more than the next highest guy on the team, The Gut.
Steroids be damned, I get tired of Cubs fans conveniently forgetting just how dominant Sammy was.
Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2015, 01:46:42 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 01:37:13 PM
Quote from: CT III on April 14, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 09:13:18 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2015, 09:00:16 AM
Sosa and Soriano would have been road beef on that.
Soriano, probably. Sammy? We'd never know, because he would've taken that down-the-middle fastball from earlier in the at-bat off the new scoreboard.
For some reason I was thinking that this year's Cubs might be similar to the 2001, a few nice bats, with some better pitching. And apparently I forgot what a goddamned beast Sosa was that year. 203 OPS+, 10.3 WAR. I guess I always think of '98 as his best season since it gets the most hype thanks to the home run chase with McGwire and the team reaching the playoffs, but sweet baby Jesus, those numbers in '01 are goddamned incredible.
I have a vague recollection of his August that year and how he basically single-handedly kept them in the playoff hunt. 17 homers and a 1.405 OPS that month, which is about 300 points better than June of 1998, which more people probably remember.
This is the most Huey I've ever felt.
I just remember, pointless stat that RBIs are, in 2001 I was 12 and I cared about them and Sammy had 98 more than the next highest guy on the team, The Gut.
Steroids be damned, I get tired of Cubs fans conveniently forgetting just how dominant Sammy was.
Well, here's Brett telling you why Sammy shouldn't be a Hall of Famer. (http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/12/05/why-sammy-sosa-remains-just-shy-of-hall-of-fame-status/)
Quote from: PenFoe on April 14, 2015, 01:48:07 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2015, 01:46:42 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 01:37:13 PM
Quote from: CT III on April 14, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 09:13:18 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2015, 09:00:16 AM
Sosa and Soriano would have been road beef on that.
Soriano, probably. Sammy? We'd never know, because he would've taken that down-the-middle fastball from earlier in the at-bat off the new scoreboard.
For some reason I was thinking that this year's Cubs might be similar to the 2001, a few nice bats, with some better pitching. And apparently I forgot what a goddamned beast Sosa was that year. 203 OPS+, 10.3 WAR. I guess I always think of '98 as his best season since it gets the most hype thanks to the home run chase with McGwire and the team reaching the playoffs, but sweet baby Jesus, those numbers in '01 are goddamned incredible.
I have a vague recollection of his August that year and how he basically single-handedly kept them in the playoff hunt. 17 homers and a 1.405 OPS that month, which is about 300 points better than June of 1998, which more people probably remember.
This is the most Huey I've ever felt.
I just remember, pointless stat that RBIs are, in 2001 I was 12 and I cared about them and Sammy had 98 more than the next highest guy on the team, The Gut.
Steroids be damned, I get tired of Cubs fans conveniently forgetting just how dominant Sammy was.
[url-http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/12/05/why-sammy-sosa-remains-just-shy-of-hall-of-fame-status/]Well, here's Brett telling you why Sammy shouldn't be a Hall of Famer. [/url]
I could give a shit about the Hall of Fame and it's moralizing and whether Sammy deserves to get in or not. There's no doubt there was a shitton of juice involved but fuck if what he did wasn't amazing anyway. That's all I care about
Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2015, 01:46:42 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 01:37:13 PM
Quote from: CT III on April 14, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 09:13:18 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2015, 09:00:16 AM
Sosa and Soriano would have been road beef on that.
Soriano, probably. Sammy? We'd never know, because he would've taken that down-the-middle fastball from earlier in the at-bat off the new scoreboard.
For some reason I was thinking that this year's Cubs might be similar to the 2001, a few nice bats, with some better pitching. And apparently I forgot what a goddamned beast Sosa was that year. 203 OPS+, 10.3 WAR. I guess I always think of '98 as his best season since it gets the most hype thanks to the home run chase with McGwire and the team reaching the playoffs, but sweet baby Jesus, those numbers in '01 are goddamned incredible.
I have a vague recollection of his August that year and how he basically single-handedly kept them in the playoff hunt. 17 homers and a 1.405 OPS that month, which is about 300 points better than June of 1998, which more people probably remember.
This is the most Huey I've ever felt.
I just remember, despite RBIs being kind of a pointless stat now, in 2001 I was 12 and I cared about them and Sammy had 98 more than the next highest guy on the team, The Gut.
Steroids be damned, I get tired of Cubs fans conveniently forgetting just how dominant Sammy was.
I don't think they necessarily forget how dominant he was. They might, however, conveniently forget much they loved him for it.
Quote from: Tonker on April 14, 2015, 01:56:09 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2015, 01:46:42 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 01:37:13 PM
Quote from: CT III on April 14, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 09:13:18 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2015, 09:00:16 AM
Sosa and Soriano would have been road beef on that.
Soriano, probably. Sammy? We'd never know, because he would've taken that down-the-middle fastball from earlier in the at-bat off the new scoreboard.
For some reason I was thinking that this year's Cubs might be similar to the 2001, a few nice bats, with some better pitching. And apparently I forgot what a goddamned beast Sosa was that year. 203 OPS+, 10.3 WAR. I guess I always think of '98 as his best season since it gets the most hype thanks to the home run chase with McGwire and the team reaching the playoffs, but sweet baby Jesus, those numbers in '01 are goddamned incredible.
I have a vague recollection of his August that year and how he basically single-handedly kept them in the playoff hunt. 17 homers and a 1.405 OPS that month, which is about 300 points better than June of 1998, which more people probably remember.
This is the most Huey I've ever felt.
I just remember, despite RBIs being kind of a pointless stat now, in 2001 I was 12 and I cared about them and Sammy had 98 more than the next highest guy on the team, The Gut.
Steroids be damned, I get tired of Cubs fans conveniently forgetting just how dominant Sammy was.
I don't think they necessarily forget how dominant he was. They might, however, conveniently forget much they loved him for it.
I'll never forget much I loved him for it.
Quote from: Tonker on April 14, 2015, 01:56:09 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2015, 01:46:42 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 01:37:13 PM
Quote from: CT III on April 14, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 09:13:18 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2015, 09:00:16 AM
Sosa and Soriano would have been road beef on that.
Soriano, probably. Sammy? We'd never know, because he would've taken that down-the-middle fastball from earlier in the at-bat off the new scoreboard.
For some reason I was thinking that this year's Cubs might be similar to the 2001, a few nice bats, with some better pitching. And apparently I forgot what a goddamned beast Sosa was that year. 203 OPS+, 10.3 WAR. I guess I always think of '98 as his best season since it gets the most hype thanks to the home run chase with McGwire and the team reaching the playoffs, but sweet baby Jesus, those numbers in '01 are goddamned incredible.
I have a vague recollection of his August that year and how he basically single-handedly kept them in the playoff hunt. 17 homers and a 1.405 OPS that month, which is about 300 points better than June of 1998, which more people probably remember.
This is the most Huey I've ever felt.
I just remember, despite RBIs being kind of a pointless stat now, in 2001 I was 12 and I cared about them and Sammy had 98 more than the next highest guy on the team, The Gut.
Steroids be damned, I get tired of Cubs fans conveniently forgetting just how dominant Sammy was.
I don't think they necessarily forget how dominant he was. They might, however, conveniently forget much they loved him for it.
Yeah, that's what rubs me the wrong way. The people coming out of the woodwork post 2004 to say "well I never REALLY liked him to begin with." I wore a Mark Grace shirsey with the best of them but fuck you if you were a Cub fan between 1996-2004 and wanna act like you "never liked" Sammy. You're either the kind of thinly veiled racist shitbag who hurled accusations of laziness at Aramis Ramirez or you were some kind of contrarian Chuck, either way, I hate you.
Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2015, 02:13:58 PM
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Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2015, 01:46:42 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 01:37:13 PM
Quote from: CT III on April 14, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 09:13:18 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2015, 09:00:16 AM
Sosa and Soriano would have been road beef on that.
Soriano, probably. Sammy? We'd never know, because he would've taken that down-the-middle fastball from earlier in the at-bat off the new scoreboard.
For some reason I was thinking that this year's Cubs might be similar to the 2001, a few nice bats, with some better pitching. And apparently I forgot what a goddamned beast Sosa was that year. 203 OPS+, 10.3 WAR. I guess I always think of '98 as his best season since it gets the most hype thanks to the home run chase with McGwire and the team reaching the playoffs, but sweet baby Jesus, those numbers in '01 are goddamned incredible.
I have a vague recollection of his August that year and how he basically single-handedly kept them in the playoff hunt. 17 homers and a 1.405 OPS that month, which is about 300 points better than June of 1998, which more people probably remember.
This is the most Huey I've ever felt.
I just remember, despite RBIs being kind of a pointless stat now, in 2001 I was 12 and I cared about them and Sammy had 98 more than the next highest guy on the team, The Gut.
Steroids be damned, I get tired of Cubs fans conveniently forgetting just how dominant Sammy was.
I don't think they necessarily forget how dominant he was. They might, however, conveniently forget much they loved him for it.
Yeah, that's what rubs me the wrong way. The people coming out of the woodwork post 2004 to say "well I never REALLY liked him to begin with." I wore a Mark Grace shirsey with the best of them but fuck you if you were a Cub fan between 1996-2004 and wanna act like you "never liked" Sammy. You're either the kind of thinly veiled racist shitbag who hurled accusations of laziness at Aramis Ramirez or you were some kind of contrarian Chuck, either way, I hate you.
DadPex still sports two Sammy Sosa bobbleheads (1 Cubs, 1 Tulsa Drillers) on a shelf in his living room, right next to figurines of Walter Payton, Tony Hinkle and Ronald Reagan.
Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2015, 02:13:58 PM
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Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2015, 01:46:42 PM
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Quote from: CT III on April 14, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 09:13:18 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2015, 09:00:16 AM
Sosa and Soriano would have been road beef on that.
Soriano, probably. Sammy? We'd never know, because he would've taken that down-the-middle fastball from earlier in the at-bat off the new scoreboard.
For some reason I was thinking that this year's Cubs might be similar to the 2001, a few nice bats, with some better pitching. And apparently I forgot what a goddamned beast Sosa was that year. 203 OPS+, 10.3 WAR. I guess I always think of '98 as his best season since it gets the most hype thanks to the home run chase with McGwire and the team reaching the playoffs, but sweet baby Jesus, those numbers in '01 are goddamned incredible.
I have a vague recollection of his August that year and how he basically single-handedly kept them in the playoff hunt. 17 homers and a 1.405 OPS that month, which is about 300 points better than June of 1998, which more people probably remember.
This is the most Huey I've ever felt.
I just remember, despite RBIs being kind of a pointless stat now, in 2001 I was 12 and I cared about them and Sammy had 98 more than the next highest guy on the team, The Gut.
Steroids be damned, I get tired of Cubs fans conveniently forgetting just how dominant Sammy was.
I don't think they necessarily forget how dominant he was. They might, however, conveniently forget much they loved him for it.
Yeah, that's what rubs me the wrong way. The people coming out of the woodwork post 2004 to say "well I never REALLY liked him to begin with." I wore a Mark Grace shirsey with the best of them but fuck you if you were a Cub fan between 1996-2004 and wanna act like you "never liked" Sammy. You're either the kind of thinly veiled racist shitbag who hurled accusations of laziness at Aramis Ramirez or you were some kind of contrarian Chuck, either way, I hate you.
I don't think Sammy was ever my favorite Cub, but I sure as shit for rooted for him.
Quote from: PenFoe on April 14, 2015, 02:26:52 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2015, 02:13:58 PM
Quote from: Tonker on April 14, 2015, 01:56:09 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2015, 01:46:42 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 01:37:13 PM
Quote from: CT III on April 14, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 09:13:18 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2015, 09:00:16 AM
Sosa and Soriano would have been road beef on that.
Soriano, probably. Sammy? We'd never know, because he would've taken that down-the-middle fastball from earlier in the at-bat off the new scoreboard.
For some reason I was thinking that this year's Cubs might be similar to the 2001, a few nice bats, with some better pitching. And apparently I forgot what a goddamned beast Sosa was that year. 203 OPS+, 10.3 WAR. I guess I always think of '98 as his best season since it gets the most hype thanks to the home run chase with McGwire and the team reaching the playoffs, but sweet baby Jesus, those numbers in '01 are goddamned incredible.
I have a vague recollection of his August that year and how he basically single-handedly kept them in the playoff hunt. 17 homers and a 1.405 OPS that month, which is about 300 points better than June of 1998, which more people probably remember.
This is the most Huey I've ever felt.
I just remember, despite RBIs being kind of a pointless stat now, in 2001 I was 12 and I cared about them and Sammy had 98 more than the next highest guy on the team, The Gut.
Steroids be damned, I get tired of Cubs fans conveniently forgetting just how dominant Sammy was.
I don't think they necessarily forget how dominant he was. They might, however, conveniently forget much they loved him for it.
Yeah, that's what rubs me the wrong way. The people coming out of the woodwork post 2004 to say "well I never REALLY liked him to begin with." I wore a Mark Grace shirsey with the best of them but fuck you if you were a Cub fan between 1996-2004 and wanna act like you "never liked" Sammy. You're either the kind of thinly veiled racist shitbag who hurled accusations of laziness at Aramis Ramirez or you were some kind of contrarian Chuck, either way, I hate you.
I don't think Sammy was ever my favorite Cub, but I sure as shit for rooted for him.
It'd be pretty fucking weird to not root for the best offensive player on your favorite team.
Quote from: Oleg on April 14, 2015, 02:28:58 PM
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Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 01:37:13 PM
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Sosa and Soriano would have been road beef on that.
Soriano, probably. Sammy? We'd never know, because he would've taken that down-the-middle fastball from earlier in the at-bat off the new scoreboard.
For some reason I was thinking that this year's Cubs might be similar to the 2001, a few nice bats, with some better pitching. And apparently I forgot what a goddamned beast Sosa was that year. 203 OPS+, 10.3 WAR. I guess I always think of '98 as his best season since it gets the most hype thanks to the home run chase with McGwire and the team reaching the playoffs, but sweet baby Jesus, those numbers in '01 are goddamned incredible.
I have a vague recollection of his August that year and how he basically single-handedly kept them in the playoff hunt. 17 homers and a 1.405 OPS that month, which is about 300 points better than June of 1998, which more people probably remember.
This is the most Huey I've ever felt.
I just remember, despite RBIs being kind of a pointless stat now, in 2001 I was 12 and I cared about them and Sammy had 98 more than the next highest guy on the team, The Gut.
Steroids be damned, I get tired of Cubs fans conveniently forgetting just how dominant Sammy was.
I don't think they necessarily forget how dominant he was. They might, however, conveniently forget much they loved him for it.
Yeah, that's what rubs me the wrong way. The people coming out of the woodwork post 2004 to say "well I never REALLY liked him to begin with." I wore a Mark Grace shirsey with the best of them but fuck you if you were a Cub fan between 1996-2004 and wanna act like you "never liked" Sammy. You're either the kind of thinly veiled racist shitbag who hurled accusations of laziness at Aramis Ramirez or you were some kind of contrarian Chuck, either way, I hate you.
I don't think Sammy was ever my favorite Cub, but I sure as shit for rooted for him.
It'd be pretty fucking weird to not root for the best offensive player on your favorite team.
And yet there are dozens of idiots out there who retroactively claim not to.
I also remember my uncle (a Cubs fan) ardently rooting for McGwire to win the home run contest in 1998 because "A 'MERICAN SHOULD HOLD THE RECORD IN 'MERICA'S PASTTIME" but then rooting against Barry Bonds breaking sad record. Not sure why he preferred McGwire over Bonds....
Just for funsies, Jorge's 30 game career slash line is .295/.328/.589/.917, 150 OPS+. His counting stats in those 30 games project to 38 homers, 43 doubles, and 11 triples over 162 games. Still small sample size, but that's a hell of a start for his first 30 games.
Sosa was a kicked grounder away from being NLCS MVP, and having a statue out there with the other guys.
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 01:37:13 PM
Quote from: CT III on April 14, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 09:13:18 AM
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Sosa and Soriano would have been road beef on that.
Soriano, probably. Sammy? We'd never know, because he would've taken that down-the-middle fastball from earlier in the at-bat off the new scoreboard.
For some reason I was thinking that this year's Cubs might be similar to the 2001, a few nice bats, with some better pitching. And apparently I forgot what a goddamned beast Sosa was that year. 203 OPS+, 10.3 WAR. I guess I always think of '98 as his best season since it gets the most hype thanks to the home run chase with McGwire and the team reaching the playoffs, but sweet baby Jesus, those numbers in '01 are goddamned incredible.
I have a vague recollection of his August that year and how he basically single-handedly kept them in the playoff hunt. 17 homers and a 1.405 OPS that month, which is about 300 points better than June of 1998, which more people probably remember.
This is the most Huey I've ever felt.
Speaking of feeling like Huey, I'm going to take this as another opportunity to rip on Ron Coomer. During Sunday's game - I can't recall if it was before or after Coomer butchered his play-by-play duties - Pat mentioned that Eric Young was the first base coach for the Rockies. Coomer (86 OPS+ for the 2001 Cubs) then waxed poetic about how the 2001 Cubs were full of guys like EY (92 OPS+) and Ricky Gutierrez (97 OPS+) who were "team first" and "didn't care about their stats, they just wanted to win." To his credit he did mention Sammy, but someone who didn't know any better would think that team won 88 games due mostly to the grit and determination of their ragtag group of infielders, not due to Sammy putting up a goddamn TWO HUNDRED AND THREE OPS PLUS FOR CHRIST'S SAKE.
Quote from: R-V on April 14, 2015, 03:10:08 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 01:37:13 PM
Quote from: CT III on April 14, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 09:13:18 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2015, 09:00:16 AM
Sosa and Soriano would have been road beef on that.
Soriano, probably. Sammy? We'd never know, because he would've taken that down-the-middle fastball from earlier in the at-bat off the new scoreboard.
For some reason I was thinking that this year's Cubs might be similar to the 2001, a few nice bats, with some better pitching. And apparently I forgot what a goddamned beast Sosa was that year. 203 OPS+, 10.3 WAR. I guess I always think of '98 as his best season since it gets the most hype thanks to the home run chase with McGwire and the team reaching the playoffs, but sweet baby Jesus, those numbers in '01 are goddamned incredible.
I have a vague recollection of his August that year and how he basically single-handedly kept them in the playoff hunt. 17 homers and a 1.405 OPS that month, which is about 300 points better than June of 1998, which more people probably remember.
This is the most Huey I've ever felt.
Speaking of feeling like Huey, I'm going to take this as another opportunity to rip on Ron Coomer. During Sunday's game - I can't recall if it was before or after Coomer butchered his play-by-play duties - Pat mentioned that Eric Young was the first base coach for the Rockies. Coomer (86 OPS+ for the 2001 Cubs) then waxed poetic about how the 2001 Cubs were full of guys like EY (92 OPS+) and Ricky Gutierrez (97 OPS+) who were "team first" and "didn't care about their stats, they just wanted to win." To his credit he did mention Sammy, but someone who didn't know any better would think that team won 88 games due mostly to the grit and determination of their ragtag group of infielders, not due to Sammy putting up a goddamn TWO HUNDRED AND THREE OPS PLUS FOR CHRIST'S SAKE.
They failed.
Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2015, 02:45:57 PM
Just for funsies, Jorge's 30 game career slash line is .295/.328/.589/.917, 150 OPS+. His counting stats in those 30 games project to 38 homers, 43 doubles, and 11 triples over 162 games. Still small sample size, but that's a hell of a start for his first 30 games.
HOF Right Fielders through their first 30:Hank Aaron: .279/.328 /.459/.787
Roberto Clemente: .290/.316/.468/.784
Tony Gwynn: .270/.323/.328/.651
Reggie Jackson: .184/.280/.330/.610
Al Kaline: .250/.300/.357/.657
Mel Ott: .326/.326/.348/.674
Dave Winfield: .306/.363/.458/.821
Frank Robinson: .287/.369/.574/.943
Babe Ruth: .358/.419/.687/1.105
So, based on my intricate knowledge of how comps work, his floor is Frank Robinson and his ceiling is Babe Ruth.
Quote from: R-V on April 14, 2015, 03:10:08 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 01:37:13 PM
Quote from: CT III on April 14, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 14, 2015, 09:13:18 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 14, 2015, 09:00:16 AM
Sosa and Soriano would have been road beef on that.
Soriano, probably. Sammy? We'd never know, because he would've taken that down-the-middle fastball from earlier in the at-bat off the new scoreboard.
For some reason I was thinking that this year's Cubs might be similar to the 2001, a few nice bats, with some better pitching. And apparently I forgot what a goddamned beast Sosa was that year. 203 OPS+, 10.3 WAR. I guess I always think of '98 as his best season since it gets the most hype thanks to the home run chase with McGwire and the team reaching the playoffs, but sweet baby Jesus, those numbers in '01 are goddamned incredible.
I have a vague recollection of his August that year and how he basically single-handedly kept them in the playoff hunt. 17 homers and a 1.405 OPS that month, which is about 300 points better than June of 1998, which more people probably remember.
This is the most Huey I've ever felt.
Speaking of feeling like Huey, I'm going to take this as another opportunity to rip on Ron Coomer. During Sunday's game - I can't recall if it was before or after Coomer butchered his play-by-play duties - Pat mentioned that Eric Young was the first base coach for the Rockies. Coomer (86 OPS+ for the 2001 Cubs) then waxed poetic about how the 2001 Cubs were full of guys like EY (92 OPS+) and Ricky Gutierrez (97 OPS+) who were "team first" and "didn't care about their stats, they just wanted to win." To his credit he did mention Sammy, but someone who didn't know any better would think that team won 88 games due mostly to the grit and determination of their ragtag group of infielders, not due to Sammy putting up a goddamn TWO HUNDRED AND THREE OPS PLUS FOR CHRIST'S SAKE.
I heard that and as soon as he said Ricky G. my first thoughts were, in order:
1) Baylor used to have Gutierrez bunt in the 1st inning whenever EY reached and
2) Gutierrez was second on the team in RBI, but a gazillion RBI behind Sosa, as SKO already indciated.
I enjoyed the 2001 season. EY actually *didn't* have a good season IIRC--at least as not as good as his debut season the year before when the Cubs sucked (timing!)-- but others did, on a team that was otherwise an anomaly, for me, in that they were the first Cubs team to be competitive all year long, finish comfortably above .500...but actually fade from a race. Being a fan since 1979, on the rare instance when the Cubs
were competitive--1984, '89 and '98--they closed the deal (not counting their torrid September of '93 when they finished above .500 or their fluky last-ditch playoff run in '95 in an otherwise ho-hum summer). Jeff Fassero got them on the right track in April, the starting pitching held up for the most part (Lieber's season marks the last 20 game winner for the Cubs) and while there was some certainly some grit factor, Sosa's caricaturized offensive force is really what held that team up. I mean, just look at the stat line for that team.
Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2015, 08:58:28 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 14, 2015, 07:36:29 AM
Jorge Soler is Spanish for Andre Dawson.
I get that Andrew Dawson is revered, but they're not that similar of players. I actually really like Maddon's comp of Vladimir Guerrero with actual plate discipline. Which is just so bonerific a thought I can barely handle it.
I just read this. Fuck you SKO.
Quote from: Slaky on April 15, 2015, 09:28:58 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2015, 08:58:28 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 14, 2015, 07:36:29 AM
Jorge Soler is Spanish for Andre Dawson.
I get that Andrew Dawson is revered, but they're not that similar of players. I actually really like Maddon's comp of Vladimir Guerrero with actual plate discipline. Which is just so bonerific a thought I can barely handle it.
I just read this. Fuck you SKO.
I meant no disrespect to Dawson. I have a baseball signed by him that rests in a shrine in my household. I just don't think it's the most accurate comp. I think he could be a lot like Guerrero, like Joe said, and I just think that would be fantastic. Also, Pen doesn't want us to compare him to Dawson and thus force him to suffer years of knee and back injuries.
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 09:34:14 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 15, 2015, 09:28:58 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2015, 08:58:28 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 14, 2015, 07:36:29 AM
Jorge Soler is Spanish for Andre Dawson.
I get that Andrew Dawson is revered, but they're not that similar of players. I actually really like Maddon's comp of Vladimir Guerrero with actual plate discipline. Which is just so bonerific a thought I can barely handle it.
I just read this. Fuck you SKO.
I meant no disrespect to Dawson. I have a baseball signed by him that rests in a shrine in my household. I just don't think it's the most accurate comp. I think he could be a lot like Guerrero, like Joe said, and I just think that would be fantastic. Also, Pen doesn't want us to compare him to Dawson and thus force him to suffer years of knee and back injuries.
I like Fork's comparison of Soler to Dave Winfield.
Pen approves of all these black-guy comps for Soler.
Quote from: Eli on April 15, 2015, 09:39:25 AM
Pen approves of all these black-guy comps for Soler.
Damnit. I was thinking the same thing and was trying to find a white guy comp in my brain. Just came up with one: Dale Murphy with a better eye.
Quote from: Oleg on April 15, 2015, 09:41:20 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 15, 2015, 09:39:25 AM
Pen approves of all these black-guy comps for Soler.
Damnit. I was thinking the same thing and was trying to find a white guy comp in my brain. Just came up with one: Dale Murphy with a better eye.
INTREPID READER PEN:Great, so the Cubs are going to make the playoffs one time in Soler's career?
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 09:34:14 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 15, 2015, 09:28:58 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2015, 08:58:28 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 14, 2015, 07:36:29 AM
Jorge Soler is Spanish for Andre Dawson.
I get that Andrew Dawson is revered, but they're not that similar of players. I actually really like Maddon's comp of Vladimir Guerrero with actual plate discipline. Which is just so bonerific a thought I can barely handle it.
I just read this. Fuck you SKO.
I meant no disrespect to Dawson. I have a baseball signed by him that rests in a shrine in my household. I just don't think it's the most accurate comp. I think he could be a lot like Guerrero, like Joe said, and I just think that would be fantastic. Also, Pen doesn't want us to compare him to Dawson and thus force him to suffer years of knee and back injuries.
Because nostalgia for a player you loved when you were a kid, who played the same position and also hit for power and also had a great arm, is ONLY appropriate if the comp is accurate within a statistically acceptable margin of error in the Baseball Reference comp-uter.
Quote from: R-V on April 15, 2015, 09:44:15 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 09:34:14 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 15, 2015, 09:28:58 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2015, 08:58:28 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 14, 2015, 07:36:29 AM
Jorge Soler is Spanish for Andre Dawson.
I get that Andrew Dawson is revered, but they're not that similar of players. I actually really like Maddon's comp of Vladimir Guerrero with actual plate discipline. Which is just so bonerific a thought I can barely handle it.
I just read this. Fuck you SKO.
I meant no disrespect to Dawson. I have a baseball signed by him that rests in a shrine in my household. I just don't think it's the most accurate comp. I think he could be a lot like Guerrero, like Joe said, and I just think that would be fantastic. Also, Pen doesn't want us to compare him to Dawson and thus force him to suffer years of knee and back injuries.
Because nostalgia for a player you loved when you were a kid, who played the same position and also hit for power and also had a great arm, is ONLY appropriate if the comp is accurate within a statistically acceptable margin of error in the Baseball Reference comp-uter.
Agreed.
Quote from: R-V on April 15, 2015, 09:44:15 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 09:34:14 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 15, 2015, 09:28:58 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2015, 08:58:28 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 14, 2015, 07:36:29 AM
Jorge Soler is Spanish for Andre Dawson.
I get that Andrew Dawson is revered, but they're not that similar of players. I actually really like Maddon's comp of Vladimir Guerrero with actual plate discipline. Which is just so bonerific a thought I can barely handle it.
I just read this. Fuck you SKO.
I meant no disrespect to Dawson. I have a baseball signed by him that rests in a shrine in my household. I just don't think it's the most accurate comp. I think he could be a lot like Guerrero, like Joe said, and I just think that would be fantastic. Also, Pen doesn't want us to compare him to Dawson and thus force him to suffer years of knee and back injuries.
Because nostalgia for a player you loved when you were a kid, who played the same position and also hit for power and also had a great arm, is ONLY appropriate if the comp is accurate within a statistically acceptable margin of error in the Baseball Reference comp-uter.
Essentially this. SKO's youth and lack of belt must be clouding his ability to post coherently.
Dawson was and is maybe the most beloved Cub of my entire lifetime. Obviously you have Sandberg and Grace stans out there but Dawson was a mythical figure. The arm, the power, the reverence, and the fact that he never took an ounce of shit from any motherfucker (see Eric Show's poor, dead ass) all equate to what Soler could be to me. Huge arm, huge bat, tried to beat up a bunch of dudes with a bat during a game.
Jorge can be the next true universally beloved Cub.
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Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 09:34:14 AM
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Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2015, 08:58:28 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 14, 2015, 07:36:29 AM
Jorge Soler is Spanish for Andre Dawson.
I get that Andrew Dawson is revered, but they're not that similar of players. I actually really like Maddon's comp of Vladimir Guerrero with actual plate discipline. Which is just so bonerific a thought I can barely handle it.
I just read this. Fuck you SKO.
I meant no disrespect to Dawson. I have a baseball signed by him that rests in a shrine in my household. I just don't think it's the most accurate comp. I think he could be a lot like Guerrero, like Joe said, and I just think that would be fantastic. Also, Pen doesn't want us to compare him to Dawson and thus force him to suffer years of knee and back injuries.
Because nostalgia for a player you loved when you were a kid, who played the same position and also hit for power and also had a great arm, is ONLY appropriate if the comp is accurate within a statistically acceptable margin of error in the Baseball Reference comp-uter.
Essentially this. SKO's youth and lack of belt must be clouding his ability to post coherently.
Dawson was and is maybe the most beloved Cub of my entire lifetime. Obviously you have Sandberg and Grace stans out there but Dawson was a mythical figure. The arm, the power, the reverence, and the fact that he never took an ounce of shit from any motherfucker (see Eric Show's poor, dead ass) all equate to what Soler could be to me. Huge arm, huge bat, tried to beat up a bunch of dudes with a bat during a game.
Jorge can be the next true universally beloved Cub.
All of this is fair and agreed to. My bad.
Quote from: Slaky on April 15, 2015, 10:00:29 AM
Quote from: R-V on April 15, 2015, 09:44:15 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 09:34:14 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 15, 2015, 09:28:58 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2015, 08:58:28 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 14, 2015, 07:36:29 AM
Jorge Soler is Spanish for Andre Dawson.
I get that Andrew Dawson is revered, but they're not that similar of players. I actually really like Maddon's comp of Vladimir Guerrero with actual plate discipline. Which is just so bonerific a thought I can barely handle it.
I just read this. Fuck you SKO.
I meant no disrespect to Dawson. I have a baseball signed by him that rests in a shrine in my household. I just don't think it's the most accurate comp. I think he could be a lot like Guerrero, like Joe said, and I just think that would be fantastic. Also, Pen doesn't want us to compare him to Dawson and thus force him to suffer years of knee and back injuries.
Because nostalgia for a player you loved when you were a kid, who played the same position and also hit for power and also had a great arm, is ONLY appropriate if the comp is accurate within a statistically acceptable margin of error in the Baseball Reference comp-uter.
Essentially this. SKO's youth and lack of belt must be clouding his ability to post coherently.
Dawson was and is maybe the most beloved Cub of my entire lifetime. Obviously you have Sandberg and Grace stans out there but Dawson was a mythical figure. The arm, the power, the reverence, and the fact that he never took an ounce of shit from any motherfucker (see Eric Show's poor, dead ass) all equate to what Soler could be to me. Huge arm, huge bat, tried to beat up a bunch of dudes with a bat during a game.
Jorge can be the next true universally beloved Cub.
They used to do kids clinics on the field a couple times a year before BP, and I just about shit my husky Bugle Boys the day that I got to sit within about 6 feet of Dawson and Dunston to hear them talk about playing ball.
Assuming Soler is the badass that he appears to be, another interesting thing he shares with Dawson is a ri-god-damn-diculous bargain of a salary. Over Dawson's 6 years he made about $25 M in today's dollars. The Cubs have Jorge on a 9 year/$30 M deal.
Quote from: R-V on April 15, 2015, 10:11:22 AM
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Quote from: SKO on April 14, 2015, 08:58:28 AM
Quote from: Fork on April 14, 2015, 07:36:29 AM
Jorge Soler is Spanish for Andre Dawson.
I get that Andrew Dawson is revered, but they're not that similar of players. I actually really like Maddon's comp of Vladimir Guerrero with actual plate discipline. Which is just so bonerific a thought I can barely handle it.
I just read this. Fuck you SKO.
I meant no disrespect to Dawson. I have a baseball signed by him that rests in a shrine in my household. I just don't think it's the most accurate comp. I think he could be a lot like Guerrero, like Joe said, and I just think that would be fantastic. Also, Pen doesn't want us to compare him to Dawson and thus force him to suffer years of knee and back injuries.
Because nostalgia for a player you loved when you were a kid, who played the same position and also hit for power and also had a great arm, is ONLY appropriate if the comp is accurate within a statistically acceptable margin of error in the Baseball Reference comp-uter.
Essentially this. SKO's youth and lack of belt must be clouding his ability to post coherently.
Dawson was and is maybe the most beloved Cub of my entire lifetime. Obviously you have Sandberg and Grace stans out there but Dawson was a mythical figure. The arm, the power, the reverence, and the fact that he never took an ounce of shit from any motherfucker (see Eric Show's poor, dead ass) all equate to what Soler could be to me. Huge arm, huge bat, tried to beat up a bunch of dudes with a bat during a game.
Jorge can be the next true universally beloved Cub.
They used to do kids clinics on the field a couple times a year before BP, and I just about shit my husky Bugle Boys the day that I got to sit within about 6 feet of Dawson and Dunston to hear them talk about playing ball.
Assuming Soler is the badass that he appears to be, another interesting thing he shares with Dawson is a ri-god-damn-diculous bargain of a salary. Over Dawson's 6 years he made about $25 M in today's dollars. The Cubs have Jorge on a 9 year/$30 M deal.
Up until this past Christmas when Santa brought me a Blackhawks #65 I had owned only one professional sports jersey over my entire life.
It is number 8.
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Quote from: Fork on April 14, 2015, 07:36:29 AM
Jorge Soler is Spanish for Andre Dawson.
I get that Andrew Dawson is revered, but they're not that similar of players. I actually really like Maddon's comp of Vladimir Guerrero with actual plate discipline. Which is just so bonerific a thought I can barely handle it.
I just read this. Fuck you SKO.
I meant no disrespect to Dawson. I have a baseball signed by him that rests in a shrine in my household. I just don't think it's the most accurate comp. I think he could be a lot like Guerrero, like Joe said, and I just think that would be fantastic. Also, Pen doesn't want us to compare him to Dawson and thus force him to suffer years of knee and back injuries.
Because nostalgia for a player you loved when you were a kid, who played the same position and also hit for power and also had a great arm, is ONLY appropriate if the comp is accurate within a statistically acceptable margin of error in the Baseball Reference comp-uter.
Essentially this. SKO's youth and lack of belt must be clouding his ability to post coherently.
Dawson was and is maybe the most beloved Cub of my entire lifetime. Obviously you have Sandberg and Grace stans out there but Dawson was a mythical figure. The arm, the power, the reverence, and the fact that he never took an ounce of shit from any motherfucker (see Eric Show's poor, dead ass) all equate to what Soler could be to me. Huge arm, huge bat, tried to beat up a bunch of dudes with a bat during a game.
Jorge can be the next true universally beloved Cub.
They used to do kids clinics on the field a couple times a year before BP, and I just about shit my husky Bugle Boys the day that I got to sit within about 6 feet of Dawson and Dunston to hear them talk about playing ball.
Assuming Soler is the badass that he appears to be, another interesting thing he shares with Dawson is a ri-god-damn-diculous bargain of a salary. Over Dawson's 6 years he made about $25 M in today's dollars. The Cubs have Jorge on a 9 year/$30 M deal.
Up until this past Christmas when Santa brought me a Blackhawks #65 I had owned only one professional sports jersey over my entire life.
It is number 8.
Amen. I loved Maury Buford, too.
Jesus. You people really fucking love Andre Dawson. Noted. I was four when he left, so I have no memory of him. My earliest Cub memories are from 1993, I think, because I do remember Rick Wilkins being awesome. I'm sorry to have missed out.
Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 10:24:39 AM
Jesus. You people really fucking love Andre Dawson. Noted. I was four when he left, so I have no memory of him. My earliest Cub memories are from 1993, I think, because I do remember Rick Wilkins being awesome. I'm sorry to have missed out.
Andre Dawson was your father, and you hate him anyway?
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Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 10:24:39 AM
Jesus. You people really fucking love Andre Dawson. Noted. I was four when he left, so I have no memory of him. My earliest Cub memories are from 1993, I think, because I do remember Rick Wilkins being awesome. I'm sorry to have missed out.
Andre Dawson was your father, and you hate him anyway?
maybe it's all my fault, man? maybe if I hadn't come around the Hawk would have stayed. Sorry everybody.
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Quote from: SKO on April 15, 2015, 10:24:39 AM
Jesus. You people really fucking love Andre Dawson. Noted. I was four when he left, so I have no memory of him. My earliest Cub memories are from 1993, I think, because I do remember Rick Wilkins being awesome. I'm sorry to have missed out.
Andre Dawson was your father, and you hate him anyway?
maybe it's all my fault, man? maybe if I hadn't come around the Hawk would have stayed. Sorry everybody.
I laughed so hard I farted.
Bump for 4-5 and one amazing double on a fucking 100 MPH fastball.
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2015, 10:51:11 PM
Bump for 4-5 and one amazing double on a fucking 100 MPH fastball.
Dude.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/811/7617602746.jpg)
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Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2015, 10:51:11 PM
Bump for 4-5 and one amazing double on a fucking 100 MPH fastball.
Dude.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/811/7617602746.jpg)
I read he was second behind A-Rod in exit velocity among all MLB players. Guessing he may have bumped up a notch with that.
Quote from: SKO on April 21, 2015, 10:06:20 AM
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Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2015, 10:51:11 PM
Bump for 4-5 and one amazing double on a fucking 100 MPH fastball.
Dude.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/811/7617602746.jpg)
I read he was second behind A-Rod in exit velocity among all MLB players. Guessing he may have bumped up a notch with that.
You know what else has outstanding exit velocity? Hint: It's all over the shower door.
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Quote from: SKO on April 21, 2015, 10:06:20 AM
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Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2015, 10:51:11 PM
Bump for 4-5 and one amazing double on a fucking 100 MPH fastball.
Dude.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/811/7617602746.jpg)
I read he was second behind A-Rod in exit velocity among all MLB players. Guessing he may have bumped up a notch with that.
You know what else has outstanding exit velocity? Hint: It's all over the shower door.
I admit it: I Muttley'd.
No hits, 12 Ks in his last 5 games. That isn't good.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 26, 2015, 07:59:50 PM
No hits, 12 Ks in his last 5 games. That isn't good.
Yeah, Maddon said he was working with him on not expanding his strike zone. He's chased a lot of pitches down lately, I think maybe the success he's had hitting low pitches led to him getting greedy.
He say "fuck you, Jobu". He do it himself
Since the last one worked...
Nobody around here has gotten laid lately.
That's not good.
Would it interest anybody to know that Soler's OBP is actually slightly higher than it was in his callup last year? His SLG is significantly down, and I know his strikeouts are up but his stat line overall is far from atrocious. I know I'm not alone in thinking he's doing worse than his callup last year, but when you look at his numbers, he's hanging in there. Just wanted to inject some joyful positive to pre-empt my own little concern with his sudden propensity to chase shit low and away. I think it's a matter of him making a big splash, and pitchers adjusting to him and now it's on him to adjust to them. I'm certain he sees a lot more pitches per at-bat than last year if that helps. Once he stops chasing that shit there are going to be big boners and wet panties around the ole' ballyard.
Quote from: PANK! on May 14, 2015, 11:04:50 AM
Would it interest anybody to know that Soler's OBP is actually slightly higher than it was in his callup last year? His SLG is significantly down, and I know his strikeouts are up but his stat line overall is far from atrocious. I know I'm not alone in thinking he's doing worse than his callup last year, but when you look at his numbers, he's hanging in there. Just wanted to inject some joyful positive to pre-empt my own little concern with his sudden propensity to chase shit low and away. I think it's a matter of him making a big splash, and pitchers adjusting to him and now it's on him to adjust to them. I'm certain he sees a lot more pitches per at-bat than last year if that helps. Once he stops chasing that shit there are going to be big boners and wet panties around the ole' ballyard.
Once pitchers find a weakness, they will barrage him with exploiting it. I read on fangraphs about Mike Trout's weakness with high fastballs which was magnified in the Royals series last postseason. Since then, Trout has adjusted...Soler needs to make his adjustment too. And low and away junk pitches are unhittable...so hopefully Soler can learn to lay off.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 14, 2015, 11:14:25 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 14, 2015, 11:04:50 AM
Would it interest anybody to know that Soler's OBP is actually slightly higher than it was in his callup last year? His SLG is significantly down, and I know his strikeouts are up but his stat line overall is far from atrocious. I know I'm not alone in thinking he's doing worse than his callup last year, but when you look at his numbers, he's hanging in there. Just wanted to inject some joyful positive to pre-empt my own little concern with his sudden propensity to chase shit low and away. I think it's a matter of him making a big splash, and pitchers adjusting to him and now it's on him to adjust to them. I'm certain he sees a lot more pitches per at-bat than last year if that helps. Once he stops chasing that shit there are going to be big boners and wet panties around the ole' ballyard.
Once pitchers find a weakness, they will barrage him with exploiting it. I read on fangraphs about Mike Trout's weakness with high fastballs which was magnified in the Royals series last postseason. Since then, Trout has adjusted...Soler needs to make his adjustment too. And low and away junk pitches are unhittable...so hopefully Soler can learn to lay off.
SO-sa
SO-riano
SO-ler
Black Latino's with stupid power and last names beginning with SO who can't lay off that pitch? I've seen it too many times. Epstink is terrible.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 14, 2015, 11:17:00 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 14, 2015, 11:14:25 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 14, 2015, 11:04:50 AM
Would it interest anybody to know that Soler's OBP is actually slightly higher than it was in his callup last year? His SLG is significantly down, and I know his strikeouts are up but his stat line overall is far from atrocious. I know I'm not alone in thinking he's doing worse than his callup last year, but when you look at his numbers, he's hanging in there. Just wanted to inject some joyful positive to pre-empt my own little concern with his sudden propensity to chase shit low and away. I think it's a matter of him making a big splash, and pitchers adjusting to him and now it's on him to adjust to them. I'm certain he sees a lot more pitches per at-bat than last year if that helps. Once he stops chasing that shit there are going to be big boners and wet panties around the ole' ballyard.
Once pitchers find a weakness, they will barrage him with exploiting it. I read on fangraphs about Mike Trout's weakness with high fastballs which was magnified in the Royals series last postseason. Since then, Trout has adjusted...Soler needs to make his adjustment too. And low and away junk pitches are unhittable...so hopefully Soler can learn to lay off.
SO-sa
SO-riano
SO-ler
Black Latino's with stupid power and last names beginning with SO who can't lay off that pitch? I've seen it too many times. Epstink is terrible.
Shawon Dunston's not Latino and his failure to ever learn to lay off that shit should be on his fucking tombstone.
Also, Sammy
did eventually start laying off that pitch.
I still think he's mostly just shitty when it's cold and he'll wreck shit all summer long.
Quote from: SKO on May 14, 2015, 11:22:35 AM
I still think he's mostly just shitty when it's cold
The bullshit toleration in this thread is something to behold.
Quote from: PANK! on May 14, 2015, 11:20:04 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 14, 2015, 11:17:00 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 14, 2015, 11:14:25 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 14, 2015, 11:04:50 AM
Would it interest anybody to know that Soler's OBP is actually slightly higher than it was in his callup last year? His SLG is significantly down, and I know his strikeouts are up but his stat line overall is far from atrocious. I know I'm not alone in thinking he's doing worse than his callup last year, but when you look at his numbers, he's hanging in there. Just wanted to inject some joyful positive to pre-empt my own little concern with his sudden propensity to chase shit low and away. I think it's a matter of him making a big splash, and pitchers adjusting to him and now it's on him to adjust to them. I'm certain he sees a lot more pitches per at-bat than last year if that helps. Once he stops chasing that shit there are going to be big boners and wet panties around the ole' ballyard.
Once pitchers find a weakness, they will barrage him with exploiting it. I read on fangraphs about Mike Trout's weakness with high fastballs which was magnified in the Royals series last postseason. Since then, Trout has adjusted...Soler needs to make his adjustment too. And low and away junk pitches are unhittable...so hopefully Soler can learn to lay off.
SO-sa
SO-riano
SO-ler
Black Latino's with stupid power and last names beginning with SO who can't lay off that pitch? I've seen it too many times. Epstink is terrible.
Shawon Dunston's not Latino and his failure to ever learn to lay off that shit should be on his fucking tombstone.
Also, Sammy did eventually start laying off that pitch.
So he claims.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 14, 2015, 11:17:00 AM
SO-sa
SO-riano
SO-ler
Black Latino's with stupid power and last names beginning with SO who can't lay off that pitch? I've seen it too many times. Epstink is terrible.
I'd find the irony pretty delicious if the prospect about whom Chuck has probably touted the most ended up basically being Soriano*.
Actually:
Soler's career so far:.280/.329/.477 (.806 OPS)
30% K rate, 7.1% BB rate
Soriano's final year with the Cubs.262/.322/.499 (.821 OPS)
25% K rate, 7.2% BB rate
* The rest of us would be elated, I'm sure.
Quote from: Eli on May 14, 2015, 11:48:57 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 14, 2015, 11:17:00 AM
SO-sa
SO-riano
SO-ler
Black Latino's with stupid power and last names beginning with SO who can't lay off that pitch? I've seen it too many times. Epstink is terrible.
I'd find the irony pretty delicious if the prospect about whom Chuck has probably touted the most ended up basically being Soriano*.
Actually:
Soler's career so far:
.280/.329/.477 (.806 OPS)
30% K rate, 7.1% BB rate
Soriano's final year with the Cubs
.262/.322/.499 (.821 OPS)
25% K rate, 7.2% BB rate
* The rest of us would be elated, I'm sure.
I'd be disappointed if he turned out to be a 37 year old Soriano.
Quote from: Eli on May 14, 2015, 11:48:57 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 14, 2015, 11:17:00 AM
SO-sa
SO-riano
SO-ler
Black Latino's with stupid power and last names beginning with SO who can't lay off that pitch? I've seen it too many times. Epstink is terrible.
I'd find the irony pretty delicious if the prospect about whom Chuck has probably touted the most ended up basically being Soriano*.
Actually:
Soler's career so far:
.280/.329/.477 (.806 OPS)
30% K rate, 7.1% BB rate
Soriano's final year with the Cubs
.262/.322/.499 (.821 OPS)
25% K rate, 7.2% BB rate
* The rest of us would be elated, I'm sure.
Why are you comparing 23 year old Soler to 37 year old Soriano?
Quote from: ChuckD on May 14, 2015, 12:06:18 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 14, 2015, 11:48:57 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 14, 2015, 11:17:00 AM
SO-sa
SO-riano
SO-ler
Black Latino's with stupid power and last names beginning with SO who can't lay off that pitch? I've seen it too many times. Epstink is terrible.
I'd find the irony pretty delicious if the prospect about whom Chuck has probably touted the most ended up basically being Soriano*.
Actually:
Soler's career so far:
.280/.329/.477 (.806 OPS)
30% K rate, 7.1% BB rate
Soriano's final year with the Cubs
.262/.322/.499 (.821 OPS)
25% K rate, 7.2% BB rate
* The rest of us would be elated, I'm sure.
I'd be disappointed if he turned out to be a 37 year old Soriano.
I'm sure Chuck would have something to say about the commitments to both being far from equal too.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 14, 2015, 12:10:01 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 14, 2015, 12:06:18 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 14, 2015, 11:48:57 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 14, 2015, 11:17:00 AM
SO-sa
SO-riano
SO-ler
Black Latino's with stupid power and last names beginning with SO who can't lay off that pitch? I've seen it too many times. Epstink is terrible.
I'd find the irony pretty delicious if the prospect about whom Chuck has probably touted the most ended up basically being Soriano*.
Actually:
Soler's career so far:
.280/.329/.477 (.806 OPS)
30% K rate, 7.1% BB rate
Soriano's final year with the Cubs
.262/.322/.499 (.821 OPS)
25% K rate, 7.2% BB rate
* The rest of us would be elated, I'm sure.
I'd be disappointed if he turned out to be a 37 year old Soriano.
I'm sure Chuck would have something to say about the commitments to both being far from equal too.
Chuck always has something to say. Let's not encourage that.
Quote from: Bort on May 14, 2015, 12:19:46 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 14, 2015, 12:10:01 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on May 14, 2015, 12:06:18 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 14, 2015, 11:48:57 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 14, 2015, 11:17:00 AM
SO-sa
SO-riano
SO-ler
Black Latino's with stupid power and last names beginning with SO who can't lay off that pitch? I've seen it too many times. Epstink is terrible.
I'd find the irony pretty delicious if the prospect about whom Chuck has probably touted the most ended up basically being Soriano*.
Actually:
Soler's career so far:
.280/.329/.477 (.806 OPS)
30% K rate, 7.1% BB rate
Soriano's final year with the Cubs
.262/.322/.499 (.821 OPS)
25% K rate, 7.2% BB rate
* The rest of us would be elated, I'm sure.
I'd be disappointed if he turned out to be a 37 year old Soriano.
I'm sure Chuck would have something to say about the commitments to both being far from equal too.
Chuck always has something to say. Let's not encourage that.
(http://www.labov.com/img/capabilities/large/internal_marketing/Talk-to-Chuck.jpg)
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 14, 2015, 12:07:49 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 14, 2015, 11:48:57 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 14, 2015, 11:17:00 AM
SO-sa
SO-riano
SO-ler
Black Latino's with stupid power and last names beginning with SO who can't lay off that pitch? I've seen it too many times. Epstink is terrible.
I'd find the irony pretty delicious if the prospect about whom Chuck has probably touted the most ended up basically being Soriano*.
Actually:
Soler's career so far:
.280/.329/.477 (.806 OPS)
30% K rate, 7.1% BB rate
Soriano's final year with the Cubs
.262/.322/.499 (.821 OPS)
25% K rate, 7.2% BB rate
* The rest of us would be elated, I'm sure.
Why are you comparing 23 year old Soler to 37 year old Soriano?
Because so far Soler has posted similar numbers to how we last remember Soriano and I'm stickpoking Chuck and when did that become wrong?
Quote from: Eli on May 14, 2015, 12:29:07 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 14, 2015, 12:07:49 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 14, 2015, 11:48:57 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 14, 2015, 11:17:00 AM
SO-sa
SO-riano
SO-ler
Black Latino's with stupid power and last names beginning with SO who can't lay off that pitch? I've seen it too many times. Epstink is terrible.
I'd find the irony pretty delicious if the prospect about whom Chuck has probably touted the most ended up basically being Soriano*.
Actually:
Soler's career so far:
.280/.329/.477 (.806 OPS)
30% K rate, 7.1% BB rate
Soriano's final year with the Cubs
.262/.322/.499 (.821 OPS)
25% K rate, 7.2% BB rate
* The rest of us would be elated, I'm sure.
Why are you comparing 23 year old Soler to 37 year old Soriano?
Because so far Soler has posted similar numbers to how we last remember Soriano and I'm stickpoking Chuck and when did that become wrong?
It's not the dollars, it's the years.
Jorge Soler's career-to-date:
218 ABs .280/.329/.477/.806 8 HR, 33 RBI, 73 Ks, 17 BBs, GDP 8
Alfonso Soriano's last 218 ABs as a Cub
.243/.279/.495/.774 13 HR, 38 RBI, 57 Ks, 10 BBs, , GDP 7
Sources:
http://www.baseballmusings.com/cgi-bin/PlayerInfo.py?StartDate=05%2F15%2F2013&EndDate=07%2F23%2F2013&GameType=all&PlayedFor=0&PlayedVs=0&Park=0&PlayerID=847
http://www.baseballmusings.com/cgi-bin/PlayerInfo.py?StartDate=08%2F27%2F2014&EndDate=05%2F13%2F2015&GameType=all&PlayedFor=0&PlayedVs=0&Park=0&PlayerID=14221
See, this is why I said not to encourage Chuck.
Well Jorge is well ahead of 23 year old Soriano (who was in the minors except for an extremely brief cup of coffee), so if he wants to go ahead and put up 26 year old Soriano's numbers at age 23 I'll start letting out my codpiece now.
50 K's...good job, Jorge.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 14, 2015, 02:14:14 PM
50 K's...good job, Jorge.
Okay christ on a bike you won't hate on Chris Coghlan but fuck the 23 year old rookie who has a bit of a K problem?
Weird.
Quote from: SKO on May 14, 2015, 02:16:21 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 14, 2015, 02:14:14 PM
50 K's...good job, Jorge.
Okay christ on a bike you won't hate on Chris Coghlan but fuck the 23 year old rookie who has a bit of a K problem?
Weird.
Soler has a career minor league K% of around 20%...so far this season it's at 34%. That's a bit jarring for someone who we figured had good plate discipline. I'm not running around mach 5 with my hair on fire freaking out, I'm just saying it's kind of alarming at this point.
Quote from: Bort on May 14, 2015, 01:41:33 PM
See, this is why I said not to encourage Chuck.
Seriously. I regret everything.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 14, 2015, 02:23:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 14, 2015, 02:16:21 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 14, 2015, 02:14:14 PM
50 K's...good job, Jorge.
Okay christ on a bike you won't hate on Chris Coghlan but fuck the 23 year old rookie who has a bit of a K problem?
Weird.
Soler has a career minor league K% of around 20%...so far this season it's at 34%. That's a bit jarring for someone who we figured had good plate discipline. I'm not running around mach 5 with my hair on fire freaking out, I'm just saying it's kind of alarming at this point.
I get it, but he played all of 55 minor league games above A Ball. This is the first extended time he's had vs. advanced breaking balls, and he's scuffling a tad, but he's shown signs this month. His OPS in May is .784 and he's struck out 30% of the time vs. 36% in April.
I'm not saying I'm not worried at all that he might not right the ship (although I'm really not) but it is legitimately baffling to me you'd post a sarcastic "nice job on 50 Ks" about a rookie while preaching patience with Chris friggin Coghlan.
Quote from: SKO on May 14, 2015, 02:28:12 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 14, 2015, 02:23:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 14, 2015, 02:16:21 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 14, 2015, 02:14:14 PM
50 K's...good job, Jorge.
Okay christ on a bike you won't hate on Chris Coghlan but fuck the 23 year old rookie who has a bit of a K problem?
Weird.
Soler has a career minor league K% of around 20%...so far this season it's at 34%. That's a bit jarring for someone who we figured had good plate discipline. I'm not running around mach 5 with my hair on fire freaking out, I'm just saying it's kind of alarming at this point.
I get it, but he played all of 55 minor league games above A Ball. This is the first extended time he's had vs. advanced breaking balls, and he's scuffling a tad, but he's shown signs this month. His OPS in May is .784 and he's struck out 30% of the time vs. 36% in April.
I'm not saying I'm not worried at all that he might not right the ship (although I'm really not) but it is legitimately baffling to me you'd post a sarcastic "nice job on 50 Ks" about a rookie while preaching patience with Chris friggin Coghlan.
It's because I'm a little concerned at the moment about Soler who means infinitely more to the Cubs than Coghlan. Coghlan is a marginal starter in a strong, young lineup who's peripherals can at least show you he's not as terrible as you think (although I don't think he's "good" myself, I think he's just merely keeping the grass brown out there for a few months).
I don't think I'm being unreasonable here.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 14, 2015, 02:32:22 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 14, 2015, 02:28:12 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 14, 2015, 02:23:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 14, 2015, 02:16:21 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 14, 2015, 02:14:14 PM
50 K's...good job, Jorge.
Okay christ on a bike you won't hate on Chris Coghlan but fuck the 23 year old rookie who has a bit of a K problem?
Weird.
Soler has a career minor league K% of around 20%...so far this season it's at 34%. That's a bit jarring for someone who we figured had good plate discipline. I'm not running around mach 5 with my hair on fire freaking out, I'm just saying it's kind of alarming at this point.
I get it, but he played all of 55 minor league games above A Ball. This is the first extended time he's had vs. advanced breaking balls, and he's scuffling a tad, but he's shown signs this month. His OPS in May is .784 and he's struck out 30% of the time vs. 36% in April.
I'm not saying I'm not worried at all that he might not right the ship (although I'm really not) but it is legitimately baffling to me you'd post a sarcastic "nice job on 50 Ks" about a rookie while preaching patience with Chris friggin Coghlan.
It's because I'm a little concerned at the moment about Soler who means infinitely more to the Cubs than Coghlan. Coghlan is a marginal starter in a strong, young lineup who's peripherals can at least show you he's not as terrible as you think (although I don't think he's "good" myself, I think he's just merely keeping the grass brown out there for a few months).
I don't think I'm being unreasonable here.
Does it make you feel better if I say he's only got about a 27% K rate outside of that one awful 0-15 stretch he had where he K'd 10 times in 4 games? I think he's making his adjustments, it's just hard to see because he looked awful yesterday against a pretty good pitcher and his power hasn't really materalized yet, largely because I think he isn't exactly made to play a lot of games in 45 degree weather.
Quote from: SKO on May 14, 2015, 02:39:48 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 14, 2015, 02:32:22 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 14, 2015, 02:28:12 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 14, 2015, 02:23:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 14, 2015, 02:16:21 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 14, 2015, 02:14:14 PM
50 K's...good job, Jorge.
Okay christ on a bike you won't hate on Chris Coghlan but fuck the 23 year old rookie who has a bit of a K problem?
Weird.
Soler has a career minor league K% of around 20%...so far this season it's at 34%. That's a bit jarring for someone who we figured had good plate discipline. I'm not running around mach 5 with my hair on fire freaking out, I'm just saying it's kind of alarming at this point.
I get it, but he played all of 55 minor league games above A Ball. This is the first extended time he's had vs. advanced breaking balls, and he's scuffling a tad, but he's shown signs this month. His OPS in May is .784 and he's struck out 30% of the time vs. 36% in April.
I'm not saying I'm not worried at all that he might not right the ship (although I'm really not) but it is legitimately baffling to me you'd post a sarcastic "nice job on 50 Ks" about a rookie while preaching patience with Chris friggin Coghlan.
It's because I'm a little concerned at the moment about Soler who means infinitely more to the Cubs than Coghlan. Coghlan is a marginal starter in a strong, young lineup who's peripherals can at least show you he's not as terrible as you think (although I don't think he's "good" myself, I think he's just merely keeping the grass brown out there for a few months).
I don't think I'm being unreasonable here.
Does it make you feel better if I say he's only got about a 27% K rate outside of that one awful 0-15 stretch he had where he K'd 10 times in 4 games? I think he's making his adjustments, it's just hard to see because he looked awful yesterday against a pretty good pitcher and his power hasn't really materalized yet, largely because I think he isn't exactly made to play a lot of games in 45 degree weather.
This theory doesn't bode well for October...but it is Dusty Baker approved.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 14, 2015, 02:23:23 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 14, 2015, 02:16:21 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 14, 2015, 02:14:14 PM
50 K's...good job, Jorge.
Okay christ on a bike you won't hate on Chris Coghlan but fuck the 23 year old rookie who has a bit of a K problem?
Weird.
Soler has a career minor league K% of around 20%...so far this season it's at 34%. That's a bit jarring for someone who we figured had good plate discipline. I'm not running around mach 5 with my hair on fire freaking out, I'm just saying it's kind of alarming at this point.
If he's still racking up Ks ar a 34% rate next season or even later this year, I'd be more worried. For now this fits the profile of a guy who is not adapting to big league pitching instantly.
Jorge's K % would be a lot lower if every ump didn't give opposing pitchers every fucking fastball outside rhe zone that they want. He's getting jobbed regularly
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2015, 03:40:49 PM
Jorge's K % would be a lot lower if every ump didn't give opposing pitchers every fucking fastball outside rhe zone that they want. He's getting jobbed regularly
His knowledge of the zone is going to be a huge benefit over the long run. That AB flipped this game from a W to a L. I can't wait for Questec to replace these worthless assholes in a few years. The calls AJ got were just awful.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 17, 2015, 04:45:13 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2015, 03:40:49 PM
Jorge's K % would be a lot lower if every ump didn't give opposing pitchers every fucking fastball outside rhe zone that they want. He's getting jobbed regularly
His knowledge of the zone is going to be a huge benefit over the long run. That AB flipped this game from a W to a L. I can't wait for Questec to replace these worthless assholes in a few years. The calls AJ got were just awful.
Games like today will only serve to accelerate the process.
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2015, 03:40:49 PM
Jorge's K % would be a lot lower if every ump didn't give opposing pitchers every fucking fastball outside rhe zone that they want. He's getting jobbed regularly
Those were shit calls, for sure. And I
love how well he knows the strike zone. But in that situation where:
- They haven't scored and the game is tight
- Bases are loaded
- There's one out and Coghlan is on-deck
- The ump has already called that pitch a strike twice
He's gotta take the bat off his shoulder. The last pitch wasn't in the zone, but it was close enough. Given what had happened with the other two pitches, you have to figure that one is getting called a strike, so either try to foul it off or go the other way. I know there's a double play risk there, but it was just too critical of a situation to stand there out of principle. We've seen him hit balls off his shoetops to the wall, so it's not like he isn't capable.
Quote from: Eli on May 17, 2015, 08:06:02 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2015, 03:40:49 PM
Jorge's K % would be a lot lower if every ump didn't give opposing pitchers every fucking fastball outside rhe zone that they want. He's getting jobbed regularly
Those were shit calls, for sure. And I love how well he knows the strike zone. But in that situation where:
- They haven't scored and the game is tight
- Bases are loaded
- There's one out and Coghlan is on-deck
- The ump has already called that pitch a strike twice
He's gotta take the bat off his shoulder. The last pitch wasn't in the zone, but it was close enough. Given what had happened with the other two pitches, you have to figure that one is getting called a strike, so either try to foul it off or go the other way. I know there's a double play risk there, but it was just too critical of a situation to stand there out of principle. We've seen him hit balls off his shoetops to the wall, so it's not like he isn't capable.
I get this, and in a few months maybe I'd agree. But given that he just now appears to be working out of a stretch where he was an automatic out chasing that outside pitch I'd rather not have him screw up his approach. In the long run he'll benefit from his patience.
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2015, 08:20:48 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 17, 2015, 08:06:02 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2015, 03:40:49 PM
Jorge's K % would be a lot lower if every ump didn't give opposing pitchers every fucking fastball outside rhe zone that they want. He's getting jobbed regularly
Those were shit calls, for sure. And I love how well he knows the strike zone. But in that situation where:
- They haven't scored and the game is tight
- Bases are loaded
- There's one out and Coghlan is on-deck
- The ump has already called that pitch a strike twice
He's gotta take the bat off his shoulder. The last pitch wasn't in the zone, but it was close enough. Given what had happened with the other two pitches, you have to figure that one is getting called a strike, so either try to foul it off or go the other way. I know there's a double play risk there, but it was just too critical of a situation to stand there out of principle. We've seen him hit balls off his shoetops to the wall, so it's not like he isn't capable.
I get this, and in a few months maybe I'd agree. But given that he just now appears to be working out of a stretch where he was an automatic out chasing that outside pitch I'd rather not have him screw up his approach. In the long run he'll benefit from his patience.
Especially once he develops a reputation for not swinging at pitches out of the strike zone. Umpires will eventually give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Jorge's K % would be a lot lower if every ump didn't give opposing pitchers every fucking fastball outside rhe zone that they want. He's getting jobbed regularly
Those were shit calls, for sure. And I love how well he knows the strike zone. But in that situation where:
- They haven't scored and the game is tight
- Bases are loaded
- There's one out and Coghlan is on-deck
- The ump has already called that pitch a strike twice
He's gotta take the bat off his shoulder. The last pitch wasn't in the zone, but it was close enough. Given what had happened with the other two pitches, you have to figure that one is getting called a strike, so either try to foul it off or go the other way. I know there's a double play risk there, but it was just too critical of a situation to stand there out of principle. We've seen him hit balls off his shoetops to the wall, so it's not like he isn't capable.
I get this, and in a few months maybe I'd agree. But given that he just now appears to be working out of a stretch where he was an automatic out chasing that outside pitch I'd rather not have him screw up his approach. In the long run he'll benefit from his patience.
Especially once he develops a reputation for not swinging at pitches out of the strike zone. Umpires will eventually give him the benefit of the doubt.
He's clearly setting up the play action.
Quote from: Eli on May 17, 2015, 08:06:02 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2015, 03:40:49 PM
Jorge's K % would be a lot lower if every ump didn't give opposing pitchers every fucking fastball outside rhe zone that they want. He's getting jobbed regularly
Those were shit calls, for sure. And I love how well he knows the strike zone. But in that situation where:
- They haven't scored and the game is tight
- Bases are loaded
- There's one out and Coghlan is on-deck
- The ump has already called that pitch a strike twice
He's gotta take the bat off his shoulder. The last pitch wasn't in the zone, but it was close enough. Given what had happened with the other two pitches, you have to figure that one is getting called a strike, so either try to foul it off or go the other way. I know there's a double play risk there, but it was just too critical of a situation to stand there out of principle. We've seen him hit balls off his shoetops to the wall, so it's not like he isn't capable.
In fairness to Our Man Jorge, by the time that 2-strike pitch came wheeling in, the umps had already gotten into his head. Even if they hadn't, it was a quality 2-strike pitch--he may well have rolled over on it.
I know it's not fair or just, but it seems that until he can start consistently laying off that shit low and away and in the dirt, he's not going to be getting the benefit of the doubt on borderline pitches. The good news is I don't think it'll be much longer before this happens.
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 17, 2015, 08:30:02 PM
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Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2015, 03:40:49 PM
Jorge's K % would be a lot lower if every ump didn't give opposing pitchers every fucking fastball outside rhe zone that they want. He's getting jobbed regularly
Those were shit calls, for sure. And I love how well he knows the strike zone. But in that situation where:
- They haven't scored and the game is tight
- Bases are loaded
- There's one out and Coghlan is on-deck
- The ump has already called that pitch a strike twice
He's gotta take the bat off his shoulder. The last pitch wasn't in the zone, but it was close enough. Given what had happened with the other two pitches, you have to figure that one is getting called a strike, so either try to foul it off or go the other way. I know there's a double play risk there, but it was just too critical of a situation to stand there out of principle. We've seen him hit balls off his shoetops to the wall, so it's not like he isn't capable.
I get this, and in a few months maybe I'd agree. But given that he just now appears to be working out of a stretch where he was an automatic out chasing that outside pitch I'd rather not have him screw up his approach. In the long run he'll benefit from his patience.
Especially once he develops a reputation for not swinging at pitches out of the strike zone. Umpires will eventually give him the benefit of the doubt.
He's clearly setting up the play action.
"Mr. Williams will let you know when it's a strike."
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Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2015, 03:40:49 PM
Jorge's K % would be a lot lower if every ump didn't give opposing pitchers every fucking fastball outside rhe zone that they want. He's getting jobbed regularly
Those were shit calls, for sure. And I love how well he knows the strike zone. But in that situation where:
- They haven't scored and the game is tight
- Bases are loaded
- There's one out and Coghlan is on-deck
- The ump has already called that pitch a strike twice
He's gotta take the bat off his shoulder. The last pitch wasn't in the zone, but it was close enough. Given what had happened with the other two pitches, you have to figure that one is getting called a strike, so either try to foul it off or go the other way. I know there's a double play risk there, but it was just too critical of a situation to stand there out of principle. We've seen him hit balls off his shoetops to the wall, so it's not like he isn't capable.
In fairness to Our Man Jorge, by the time that 2-strike pitch came wheeling in, the umps had already gotten into his head. Even if they hadn't, it was a quality 2-strike pitch--he may well have rolled over on it.
I know it's not fair or just, but it seems that until he can start consistently laying off that shit low and away and in the dirt, he's not going to be getting the benefit of the doubt on borderline pitches. The good news is I don't think it'll be much longer before this happens.
He's done a good job laying off since the Harvey game, but he'll go back to chasing if he keeps getting jobbed on the ones he takes. It's a vicious cycle.
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50 K's...good job, Jorge.
Okay christ on a bike you won't hate on Chris Coghlan but fuck the 23 year old rookie who has a bit of a K problem?
Weird.
Soler has a career minor league K% of around 20%...so far this season it's at 34%. That's a bit jarring for someone who we figured had good plate discipline. I'm not running around mach 5 with my hair on fire freaking out, I'm just saying it's kind of alarming at this point.
I get it, but he played all of 55 minor league games above A Ball. This is the first extended time he's had vs. advanced breaking balls, and he's scuffling a tad, but he's shown signs this month. His OPS in May is .784 and he's struck out 30% of the time vs. 36% in April.
I'm not saying I'm not worried at all that he might not right the ship (although I'm really not) but it is legitimately baffling to me you'd post a sarcastic "nice job on 50 Ks" about a rookie while preaching patience with Chris friggin Coghlan.
It's because I'm a little concerned at the moment about Soler who means infinitely more to the Cubs than Coghlan. Coghlan is a marginal starter in a strong, young lineup who's peripherals can at least show you he's not as terrible as you think (although I don't think he's "good" myself, I think he's just merely keeping the grass brown out there for a few months).
I don't think I'm being unreasonable here.
Dude, are you new here? You have to ANGRILY hate the players that SKO hates, and you have to ANGRILY love the players that SKO loves. Find out which is which, and get with the program, man.
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50 K's...good job, Jorge.
Okay christ on a bike you won't hate on Chris Coghlan but fuck the 23 year old rookie who has a bit of a K problem?
Weird.
Soler has a career minor league K% of around 20%...so far this season it's at 34%. That's a bit jarring for someone who we figured had good plate discipline. I'm not running around mach 5 with my hair on fire freaking out, I'm just saying it's kind of alarming at this point.
I get it, but he played all of 55 minor league games above A Ball. This is the first extended time he's had vs. advanced breaking balls, and he's scuffling a tad, but he's shown signs this month. His OPS in May is .784 and he's struck out 30% of the time vs. 36% in April.
I'm not saying I'm not worried at all that he might not right the ship (although I'm really not) but it is legitimately baffling to me you'd post a sarcastic "nice job on 50 Ks" about a rookie while preaching patience with Chris friggin Coghlan.
It's because I'm a little concerned at the moment about Soler who means infinitely more to the Cubs than Coghlan. Coghlan is a marginal starter in a strong, young lineup who's peripherals can at least show you he's not as terrible as you think (although I don't think he's "good" myself, I think he's just merely keeping the grass brown out there for a few months).
I don't think I'm being unreasonable here.
Dude, are you new here? You have to ANGRILY hate the players that SKO hates, and you have to ANGRILY love the players that SKO loves. Find out which is which, and get with the program, man.
I don't know why this is so hard for him. I guess public education in the state of Louisiana is to blame as usual.
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50 K's...good job, Jorge.
Okay christ on a bike you won't hate on Chris Coghlan but fuck the 23 year old rookie who has a bit of a K problem?
Weird.
Soler has a career minor league K% of around 20%...so far this season it's at 34%. That's a bit jarring for someone who we figured had good plate discipline. I'm not running around mach 5 with my hair on fire freaking out, I'm just saying it's kind of alarming at this point.
I get it, but he played all of 55 minor league games above A Ball. This is the first extended time he's had vs. advanced breaking balls, and he's scuffling a tad, but he's shown signs this month. His OPS in May is .784 and he's struck out 30% of the time vs. 36% in April.
I'm not saying I'm not worried at all that he might not right the ship (although I'm really not) but it is legitimately baffling to me you'd post a sarcastic "nice job on 50 Ks" about a rookie while preaching patience with Chris friggin Coghlan.
It's because I'm a little concerned at the moment about Soler who means infinitely more to the Cubs than Coghlan. Coghlan is a marginal starter in a strong, young lineup who's peripherals can at least show you he's not as terrible as you think (although I don't think he's "good" myself, I think he's just merely keeping the grass brown out there for a few months).
I don't think I'm being unreasonable here.
Dude, are you new here? You have to ANGRILY hate the players that SKO hates, and you have to ANGRILY love the players that SKO loves. Find out which is which, and get with the program, man.
I don't know why this is so hard for him. I guess public education in the state of Louisiana is to blame as usual.
You think you're so superior with your book-learning and all. Cut IAN some slack: everything he ever learned was drawn for him with a stick in the dirt.
Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2015, 10:10:15 PM
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Jorge's K % would be a lot lower if every ump didn't give opposing pitchers every fucking fastball outside rhe zone that they want. He's getting jobbed regularly
Those were shit calls, for sure. And I love how well he knows the strike zone. But in that situation where:
- They haven't scored and the game is tight
- Bases are loaded
- There's one out and Coghlan is on-deck
- The ump has already called that pitch a strike twice
He's gotta take the bat off his shoulder. The last pitch wasn't in the zone, but it was close enough. Given what had happened with the other two pitches, you have to figure that one is getting called a strike, so either try to foul it off or go the other way. I know there's a double play risk there, but it was just too critical of a situation to stand there out of principle. We've seen him hit balls off his shoetops to the wall, so it's not like he isn't capable.
In fairness to Our Man Jorge, by the time that 2-strike pitch came wheeling in, the umps had already gotten into his head. Even if they hadn't, it was a quality 2-strike pitch--he may well have rolled over on it.
I know it's not fair or just, but it seems that until he can start consistently laying off that shit low and away and in the dirt, he's not going to be getting the benefit of the doubt on borderline pitches. The good news is I don't think it'll be much longer before this happens.
He's done a good job laying off since the Harvey game, but he'll go back to chasing if he keeps getting jobbed on the ones he takes. It's a vicious cycle.
I think Maddon will go out and get tossed if Soler keeps getting rogered on these pitches. It's a better alternative to watching Soler fish for bad pitches.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 18, 2015, 08:57:21 AM
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Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2015, 03:40:49 PM
Jorge's K % would be a lot lower if every ump didn't give opposing pitchers every fucking fastball outside rhe zone that they want. He's getting jobbed regularly
Those were shit calls, for sure. And I love how well he knows the strike zone. But in that situation where:
- They haven't scored and the game is tight
- Bases are loaded
- There's one out and Coghlan is on-deck
- The ump has already called that pitch a strike twice
He's gotta take the bat off his shoulder. The last pitch wasn't in the zone, but it was close enough. Given what had happened with the other two pitches, you have to figure that one is getting called a strike, so either try to foul it off or go the other way. I know there's a double play risk there, but it was just too critical of a situation to stand there out of principle. We've seen him hit balls off his shoetops to the wall, so it's not like he isn't capable.
In fairness to Our Man Jorge, by the time that 2-strike pitch came wheeling in, the umps had already gotten into his head. Even if they hadn't, it was a quality 2-strike pitch--he may well have rolled over on it.
I know it's not fair or just, but it seems that until he can start consistently laying off that shit low and away and in the dirt, he's not going to be getting the benefit of the doubt on borderline pitches. The good news is I don't think it'll be much longer before this happens.
He's done a good job laying off since the Harvey game, but he'll go back to chasing if he keeps getting jobbed on the ones he takes. It's a vicious cycle.
I think Maddon will go out and get tossed if Soler keeps getting rogered on these pitches. It's a better alternative to watching Soler fish for bad pitches.
Joe definitely had some unkind words after that AB. He definitely seems to be on to something about Soler (and to a lesser extent Bryant and Russell) not getting the benefit of the doubt on a lot of their takes.
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Quote from: SKO on May 17, 2015, 03:40:49 PM
Jorge's K % would be a lot lower if every ump didn't give opposing pitchers every fucking fastball outside rhe zone that they want. He's getting jobbed regularly
Those were shit calls, for sure. And I love how well he knows the strike zone. But in that situation where:
- They haven't scored and the game is tight
- Bases are loaded
- There's one out and Coghlan is on-deck
- The ump has already called that pitch a strike twice
He's gotta take the bat off his shoulder. The last pitch wasn't in the zone, but it was close enough. Given what had happened with the other two pitches, you have to figure that one is getting called a strike, so either try to foul it off or go the other way. I know there's a double play risk there, but it was just too critical of a situation to stand there out of principle. We've seen him hit balls off his shoetops to the wall, so it's not like he isn't capable.
In fairness to Our Man Jorge, by the time that 2-strike pitch came wheeling in, the umps had already gotten into his head. Even if they hadn't, it was a quality 2-strike pitch--he may well have rolled over on it.
I know it's not fair or just, but it seems that until he can start consistently laying off that shit low and away and in the dirt, he's not going to be getting the benefit of the doubt on borderline pitches. The good news is I don't think it'll be much longer before this happens.
He's done a good job laying off since the Harvey game, but he'll go back to chasing if he keeps getting jobbed on the ones he takes. It's a vicious cycle.
I think Maddon will go out and get tossed if Soler keeps getting rogered on these pitches. It's a better alternative to watching Soler fish for bad pitches.
Joe definitely had some unkind words after that AB. He definitely seems to be on to something about Soler (and to a lesser extent Bryant and Russell) not getting the benefit of the doubt on a lot of their takes.
It's one of those "unwritten rules" things, rookies have to earn it. But Soler's really getting reamed.
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Jorge's K % would be a lot lower if every ump didn't give opposing pitchers every fucking fastball outside rhe zone that they want. He's getting jobbed regularly
Those were shit calls, for sure. And I love how well he knows the strike zone. But in that situation where:
- They haven't scored and the game is tight
- Bases are loaded
- There's one out and Coghlan is on-deck
- The ump has already called that pitch a strike twice
He's gotta take the bat off his shoulder. The last pitch wasn't in the zone, but it was close enough. Given what had happened with the other two pitches, you have to figure that one is getting called a strike, so either try to foul it off or go the other way. I know there's a double play risk there, but it was just too critical of a situation to stand there out of principle. We've seen him hit balls off his shoetops to the wall, so it's not like he isn't capable.
In fairness to Our Man Jorge, by the time that 2-strike pitch came wheeling in, the umps had already gotten into his head. Even if they hadn't, it was a quality 2-strike pitch--he may well have rolled over on it.
I know it's not fair or just, but it seems that until he can start consistently laying off that shit low and away and in the dirt, he's not going to be getting the benefit of the doubt on borderline pitches. The good news is I don't think it'll be much longer before this happens.
He's done a good job laying off since the Harvey game, but he'll go back to chasing if he keeps getting jobbed on the ones he takes. It's a vicious cycle.
I think Maddon will go out and get tossed if Soler keeps getting rogered on these pitches. It's a better alternative to watching Soler fish for bad pitches.
Joe definitely had some unkind words after that AB. He definitely seems to be on to something about Soler (and to a lesser extent Bryant and Russell) not getting the benefit of the doubt on a lot of their takes.
It's one of those "unwritten rules" things, rookies have to earn it. But Soler's really getting reamed.
And I'm all for Maddon reaming the umpires for that bullshit.
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Jorge's K % would be a lot lower if every ump didn't give opposing pitchers every fucking fastball outside rhe zone that they want. He's getting jobbed regularly
Those were shit calls, for sure. And I love how well he knows the strike zone. But in that situation where:
- They haven't scored and the game is tight
- Bases are loaded
- There's one out and Coghlan is on-deck
- The ump has already called that pitch a strike twice
He's gotta take the bat off his shoulder. The last pitch wasn't in the zone, but it was close enough. Given what had happened with the other two pitches, you have to figure that one is getting called a strike, so either try to foul it off or go the other way. I know there's a double play risk there, but it was just too critical of a situation to stand there out of principle. We've seen him hit balls off his shoetops to the wall, so it's not like he isn't capable.
In fairness to Our Man Jorge, by the time that 2-strike pitch came wheeling in, the umps had already gotten into his head. Even if they hadn't, it was a quality 2-strike pitch--he may well have rolled over on it.
I know it's not fair or just, but it seems that until he can start consistently laying off that shit low and away and in the dirt, he's not going to be getting the benefit of the doubt on borderline pitches. The good news is I don't think it'll be much longer before this happens.
He's done a good job laying off since the Harvey game, but he'll go back to chasing if he keeps getting jobbed on the ones he takes. It's a vicious cycle.
I think Maddon will go out and get tossed if Soler keeps getting rogered on these pitches. It's a better alternative to watching Soler fish for bad pitches.
Joe definitely had some unkind words after that AB. He definitely seems to be on to something about Soler (and to a lesser extent Bryant and Russell) not getting the benefit of the doubt on a lot of their takes.
It's one of those "unwritten rules" things, rookies have to earn it. But Soler's really getting reamed.
And I'm all for Maddon reaming the umpires for that bullshit.
That's great and very entertaining. But he already did that like two weeks ago and it didn't make a difference. In the meantime, consider protecting the plate with an 0-2 count and the bases loaded.
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Jorge's K % would be a lot lower if every ump didn't give opposing pitchers every fucking fastball outside rhe zone that they want. He's getting jobbed regularly
Those were shit calls, for sure. And I love how well he knows the strike zone. But in that situation where:
- They haven't scored and the game is tight
- Bases are loaded
- There's one out and Coghlan is on-deck
- The ump has already called that pitch a strike twice
He's gotta take the bat off his shoulder. The last pitch wasn't in the zone, but it was close enough. Given what had happened with the other two pitches, you have to figure that one is getting called a strike, so either try to foul it off or go the other way. I know there's a double play risk there, but it was just too critical of a situation to stand there out of principle. We've seen him hit balls off his shoetops to the wall, so it's not like he isn't capable.
In fairness to Our Man Jorge, by the time that 2-strike pitch came wheeling in, the umps had already gotten into his head. Even if they hadn't, it was a quality 2-strike pitch--he may well have rolled over on it.
I know it's not fair or just, but it seems that until he can start consistently laying off that shit low and away and in the dirt, he's not going to be getting the benefit of the doubt on borderline pitches. The good news is I don't think it'll be much longer before this happens.
He's done a good job laying off since the Harvey game, but he'll go back to chasing if he keeps getting jobbed on the ones he takes. It's a vicious cycle.
I think Maddon will go out and get tossed if Soler keeps getting rogered on these pitches. It's a better alternative to watching Soler fish for bad pitches.
Joe definitely had some unkind words after that AB. He definitely seems to be on to something about Soler (and to a lesser extent Bryant and Russell) not getting the benefit of the doubt on a lot of their takes.
It's one of those "unwritten rules" things, rookies have to earn it. But Soler's really getting reamed.
And I'm all for Maddon reaming the umpires for that bullshit.
That's great and very entertaining. But he already did that like two weeks ago and it didn't make a difference. In the meantime, consider protecting the plate with an 0-2 count and the bases loaded.
For now, the Cubs want him shrinking his strike zone, so he was probably in that mindset more than plate protection. He'll get there.
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Jorge's K % would be a lot lower if every ump didn't give opposing pitchers every fucking fastball outside rhe zone that they want. He's getting jobbed regularly
Those were shit calls, for sure. And I love how well he knows the strike zone. But in that situation where:
- They haven't scored and the game is tight
- Bases are loaded
- There's one out and Coghlan is on-deck
- The ump has already called that pitch a strike twice
He's gotta take the bat off his shoulder. The last pitch wasn't in the zone, but it was close enough. Given what had happened with the other two pitches, you have to figure that one is getting called a strike, so either try to foul it off or go the other way. I know there's a double play risk there, but it was just too critical of a situation to stand there out of principle. We've seen him hit balls off his shoetops to the wall, so it's not like he isn't capable.
In fairness to Our Man Jorge, by the time that 2-strike pitch came wheeling in, the umps had already gotten into his head. Even if they hadn't, it was a quality 2-strike pitch--he may well have rolled over on it.
I know it's not fair or just, but it seems that until he can start consistently laying off that shit low and away and in the dirt, he's not going to be getting the benefit of the doubt on borderline pitches. The good news is I don't think it'll be much longer before this happens.
He's done a good job laying off since the Harvey game, but he'll go back to chasing if he keeps getting jobbed on the ones he takes. It's a vicious cycle.
I think Maddon will go out and get tossed if Soler keeps getting rogered on these pitches. It's a better alternative to watching Soler fish for bad pitches.
Joe definitely had some unkind words after that AB. He definitely seems to be on to something about Soler (and to a lesser extent Bryant and Russell) not getting the benefit of the doubt on a lot of their takes.
It's one of those "unwritten rules" things, rookies have to earn it. But Soler's really getting reamed.
And I'm all for Maddon reaming the umpires for that bullshit.
That's great and very entertaining. But he already did that like two weeks ago and it didn't make a difference. In the meantime, consider protecting the plate with an 0-2 count and the bases loaded.
For now, the Cubs want him shrinking his strike zone, so he was probably in that mindset more than plate protection. He'll get there.
Bollocks to that. If you have even half an idea that the ump might call it a strike - and all of those pitches yesterday were close enough for a strike not to be an outrageously bad call - get the bat off your shoulder and foul it off until you get something you can drive. Now, tomorrow, next year, in ten years.
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Jorge's K % would be a lot lower if every ump didn't give opposing pitchers every fucking fastball outside rhe zone that they want. He's getting jobbed regularly
Those were shit calls, for sure. And I love how well he knows the strike zone. But in that situation where:
- They haven't scored and the game is tight
- Bases are loaded
- There's one out and Coghlan is on-deck
- The ump has already called that pitch a strike twice
He's gotta take the bat off his shoulder. The last pitch wasn't in the zone, but it was close enough. Given what had happened with the other two pitches, you have to figure that one is getting called a strike, so either try to foul it off or go the other way. I know there's a double play risk there, but it was just too critical of a situation to stand there out of principle. We've seen him hit balls off his shoetops to the wall, so it's not like he isn't capable.
In fairness to Our Man Jorge, by the time that 2-strike pitch came wheeling in, the umps had already gotten into his head. Even if they hadn't, it was a quality 2-strike pitch--he may well have rolled over on it.
I know it's not fair or just, but it seems that until he can start consistently laying off that shit low and away and in the dirt, he's not going to be getting the benefit of the doubt on borderline pitches. The good news is I don't think it'll be much longer before this happens.
He's done a good job laying off since the Harvey game, but he'll go back to chasing if he keeps getting jobbed on the ones he takes. It's a vicious cycle.
I think Maddon will go out and get tossed if Soler keeps getting rogered on these pitches. It's a better alternative to watching Soler fish for bad pitches.
Joe definitely had some unkind words after that AB. He definitely seems to be on to something about Soler (and to a lesser extent Bryant and Russell) not getting the benefit of the doubt on a lot of their takes.
It's one of those "unwritten rules" things, rookies have to earn it. But Soler's really getting reamed.
And I'm all for Maddon reaming the umpires for that bullshit.
That's great and very entertaining. But he already did that like two weeks ago and it didn't make a difference. In the meantime, consider protecting the plate with an 0-2 count and the bases loaded.
For now, the Cubs want him shrinking his strike zone, so he was probably in that mindset more than plate protection. He'll get there.
Bollocks to that. If you have even half an idea that the ump might call it a strike - and all of those pitches yesterday were close enough for a strike not to be an outrageously bad call - get the bat off your shoulder and foul it off until you get something you can drive. Now, tomorrow, next year, in ten years.
They most definitely were outrageously bad, but given that the first two were called strikes, I'll admit the lack of an attempt to foul off the third was disappointing.
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Jorge's K % would be a lot lower if every ump didn't give opposing pitchers every fucking fastball outside rhe zone that they want. He's getting jobbed regularly
Those were shit calls, for sure. And I love how well he knows the strike zone. But in that situation where:
- They haven't scored and the game is tight
- Bases are loaded
- There's one out and Coghlan is on-deck
- The ump has already called that pitch a strike twice
He's gotta take the bat off his shoulder. The last pitch wasn't in the zone, but it was close enough. Given what had happened with the other two pitches, you have to figure that one is getting called a strike, so either try to foul it off or go the other way. I know there's a double play risk there, but it was just too critical of a situation to stand there out of principle. We've seen him hit balls off his shoetops to the wall, so it's not like he isn't capable.
In fairness to Our Man Jorge, by the time that 2-strike pitch came wheeling in, the umps had already gotten into his head. Even if they hadn't, it was a quality 2-strike pitch--he may well have rolled over on it.
I know it's not fair or just, but it seems that until he can start consistently laying off that shit low and away and in the dirt, he's not going to be getting the benefit of the doubt on borderline pitches. The good news is I don't think it'll be much longer before this happens.
He's done a good job laying off since the Harvey game, but he'll go back to chasing if he keeps getting jobbed on the ones he takes. It's a vicious cycle.
I think Maddon will go out and get tossed if Soler keeps getting rogered on these pitches. It's a better alternative to watching Soler fish for bad pitches.
Joe definitely had some unkind words after that AB. He definitely seems to be on to something about Soler (and to a lesser extent Bryant and Russell) not getting the benefit of the doubt on a lot of their takes.
It's one of those "unwritten rules" things, rookies have to earn it. But Soler's really getting reamed.
And I'm all for Maddon reaming the umpires for that bullshit.
That's great and very entertaining. But he already did that like two weeks ago and it didn't make a difference. In the meantime, consider protecting the plate with an 0-2 count and the bases loaded.
For now, the Cubs want him shrinking his strike zone, so he was probably in that mindset more than plate protection. He'll get there.
Bollocks to that. If you have even half an idea that the ump might call it a strike - and all of those pitches yesterday were close enough for a strike not to be an outrageously bad call - get the bat off your shoulder and foul it off until you get something you can drive. Now, tomorrow, next year, in ten years.
They most definitely were outrageously bad, but given that the first two were called strikes, I'll admit the lack of an attempt to foul off the third was disappointing.
First K (bottom 2nd, clear strike):
(http://i.imgur.com/fcTaHwz.jpg?1)
Second K (bottom 4th, bases loaded, within a hair of catching the black):
(http://i.imgur.com/p7eBCcO.jpg?1)
I can't get too butthurt about those calls.
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Jorge's K % would be a lot lower if every ump didn't give opposing pitchers every fucking fastball outside rhe zone that they want. He's getting jobbed regularly
Those were shit calls, for sure. And I love how well he knows the strike zone. But in that situation where:
- They haven't scored and the game is tight
- Bases are loaded
- There's one out and Coghlan is on-deck
- The ump has already called that pitch a strike twice
He's gotta take the bat off his shoulder. The last pitch wasn't in the zone, but it was close enough. Given what had happened with the other two pitches, you have to figure that one is getting called a strike, so either try to foul it off or go the other way. I know there's a double play risk there, but it was just too critical of a situation to stand there out of principle. We've seen him hit balls off his shoetops to the wall, so it's not like he isn't capable.
In fairness to Our Man Jorge, by the time that 2-strike pitch came wheeling in, the umps had already gotten into his head. Even if they hadn't, it was a quality 2-strike pitch--he may well have rolled over on it.
I know it's not fair or just, but it seems that until he can start consistently laying off that shit low and away and in the dirt, he's not going to be getting the benefit of the doubt on borderline pitches. The good news is I don't think it'll be much longer before this happens.
He's done a good job laying off since the Harvey game, but he'll go back to chasing if he keeps getting jobbed on the ones he takes. It's a vicious cycle.
I think Maddon will go out and get tossed if Soler keeps getting rogered on these pitches. It's a better alternative to watching Soler fish for bad pitches.
Joe definitely had some unkind words after that AB. He definitely seems to be on to something about Soler (and to a lesser extent Bryant and Russell) not getting the benefit of the doubt on a lot of their takes.
It's one of those "unwritten rules" things, rookies have to earn it. But Soler's really getting reamed.
And I'm all for Maddon reaming the umpires for that bullshit.
That's great and very entertaining. But he already did that like two weeks ago and it didn't make a difference. In the meantime, consider protecting the plate with an 0-2 count and the bases loaded.
For now, the Cubs want him shrinking his strike zone, so he was probably in that mindset more than plate protection. He'll get there.
Bollocks to that. If you have even half an idea that the ump might call it a strike - and all of those pitches yesterday were close enough for a strike not to be an outrageously bad call - get the bat off your shoulder and foul it off until you get something you can drive. Now, tomorrow, next year, in ten years.
They most definitely were outrageously bad, but given that the first two were called strikes, I'll admit the lack of an attempt to foul off the third was disappointing.
First K (bottom 2nd, clear strike):
(http://i.imgur.com/fcTaHwz.jpg?1)
Second K (bottom 4th, bases loaded, within a hair of catching the black):
(http://i.imgur.com/p7eBCcO.jpg?1)
The first AB isn't what I'm talking about. I'd say the second AB all three of those not even actually touching the zone yet all three being called strikes is "outrageously bad". Every ump is going to miss a few times, to call three in a row where not one of them is even touching the zone IS outrageously bad, but I already admitted Jorge not protecting against the third one was a disappointment.
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I can't get too butthurt about those calls.
I can? If you call three straight pitches outside the zone a strike, fuck you. You are bad at your job.
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I can't get too butthurt about those calls.
I can? If you call three straight pitches outside the zone a strike, fuck you. You are bad at your job.
Agreed. I thought at first you were just arguing about the strike 3 call, but all of those? That's bullshit.
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I can't get too butthurt about those calls.
I can? If you call three straight pitches outside the zone a strike, fuck you. You are bad at your job.
Agreed. I thought at first you were just arguing about the strike 3 call, but all of those? That's bullshit.
That doesn't even account for the fact the most infuriating thing about it was that no one else was getting that pitch called a strike vs. them, be they Cub or Pirate. DeShaies even commented on one of the Pirates getting ball four on what he called "the Soler strike". It was just egregiously bad officiating within the context of the game, not just because he called three straight bad ones in that AB.
But, last time, I agree that Jorge should have protected against the 3rd one with the ump having established that as a strike against him, fair or not. I understand why he didn't given how he's obviously fighting his own instincts to chase low and away to begin with, but in an ideal world you'd like to see him fight that off.
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I can't get too butthurt about those calls.
I can? If you call three straight pitches outside the zone a strike, fuck you. You are bad at your job.
Goddamn, I'm dumb...I didn't even pay attention to the previous calls...just the last strike calls.
Upon further review, that was awful and I'm stupid.
The first K was on Jorge. Last pitch caught the zone, he chased some bad ones to begin the AB, but I don't agree with "until he lays off he's not getting the benefit of the doubt on those takes". That's a problem with baseball as a sport. Something that should be objective like a strike zone should not be adjusted whether or not a player has shown patience in preceding ABs or not. When we've got the technology to easily show what is or isn't a strike having some guy decided what Jorge's strike zone is based on whether or not he swung at a bad pitch two days ago is pretty fucking infuriating.
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I can't get too butthurt about those calls.
I can? If you call three straight pitches outside the zone a strike, fuck you. You are bad at your job.
He didn't. Pitch 3 (the pitch that was clearly way outside) was called a ball. Pitches 1 and 4 (just outside) and pitch 2 (might even have caught the black) were called strikes.
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I can't get too butthurt about those calls.
I can? If you call three straight pitches outside the zone a strike, fuck you. You are bad at your job.
He didn't. Pitch 3 (the pitch that was clearly way outside) was called a ball. Pitches 1 and 4 (just outside) and pitch 2 (might even have caught the black) were called strikes.
If you're seriously going to argue that calling all three of those pitches strikes is good umping, I'm just going to walk away. Everyone of those was outside the zone. If the best you can say about ONE of three pitches is "might have caught the zone", that's not good.
Again, not arguing that Jorge shouldn't have swung at the last one. He definitely should have tried to foul it off and stay alive given how the AB had gone, but defending that ump is pretty inexcusable.
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I can't get too butthurt about those calls.
I can? If you call three straight pitches outside the zone a strike, fuck you. You are bad at your job.
He didn't. Pitch 3 (the pitch that was clearly way outside) was called a ball. Pitches 1 and 4 (just outside) and pitch 2 (might even have caught the black) were called strikes.
If you're seriously going to argue that calling all three of those pitches strikes is good umping, I'm just going to walk away. Everyone of those was outside the zone. If the best you can say about ONE of three pitches is "might have caught the zone", that's not good.
I didn't say anything about good umpiring, you twat. You said he called three straight bad pitches for strikes. You were wrong.
EDIT: As for the walking away bit, though, be my guest.
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I can't get too butthurt about those calls.
I can? If you call three straight pitches outside the zone a strike, fuck you. You are bad at your job.
He didn't. Pitch 3 (the pitch that was clearly way outside) was called a ball. Pitches 1 and 4 (just outside) and pitch 2 (might even have caught the black) were called strikes.
If you're seriously going to argue that calling all three of those pitches strikes is good umping, I'm just going to walk away. Everyone of those was outside the zone. If the best you can say about ONE of three pitches is "might have caught the zone", that's not good.
I didn't say anything about good umpiring, you twat. You said he called three straight bad pitches for strikes. You were wrong.
Okay fine, he called three pitches in a four pitch sequence dead wrong. My bad. He still fucked that AB up and fucked over Soler royally.
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I can't get too butthurt about those calls.
I can? If you call three straight pitches outside the zone a strike, fuck you. You are bad at your job.
He didn't. Pitch 3 (the pitch that was clearly way outside) was called a ball. Pitches 1 and 4 (just outside) and pitch 2 (might even have caught the black) were called strikes.
If you're seriously going to argue that calling all three of those pitches strikes is good umping, I'm just going to walk away. Everyone of those was outside the zone. If the best you can say about ONE of three pitches is "might have caught the zone", that's not good.
I didn't say anything about good umpiring, you twat. You said he called three straight bad pitches for strikes. You were wrong.
EDIT: As for the walking away bit, though, be my guest.
I don't even get why you're arguing with me if you're not defending the official anyway? I conceded your point that Jorge should have protected on strike three. If you're not trying to argue that the ump did a good job, where's our disagreement? Are you really that upset that I think something is outrageously bad and you think it was merely "not that bad?" Upset enough to call me a twat, sir?
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I can't get too butthurt about those calls.
I can? If you call three straight pitches outside the zone a strike, fuck you. You are bad at your job.
He didn't. Pitch 3 (the pitch that was clearly way outside) was called a ball. Pitches 1 and 4 (just outside) and pitch 2 (might even have caught the black) were called strikes.
If you're seriously going to argue that calling all three of those pitches strikes is good umping, I'm just going to walk away. Everyone of those was outside the zone. If the best you can say about ONE of three pitches is "might have caught the zone", that's not good.
I didn't say anything about good umpiring, you twat. You said he called three straight bad pitches for strikes. You were wrong.
EDIT: As for the walking away bit, though, be my guest.
I don't even get why you're arguing with me if you're not defending the official anyway? I conceded your point that Jorge should have protected on strike three. If you're not trying to argue that the ump did a good job, where's our disagreement? Are you really that upset that I think something is outrageously bad and you think it was merely "not that bad?" Upset enough to call me a twat, sir?
Clearly, I am upset enough to call you a twat, because that's exactly what I did. I quietly and politely stated facts and was met with that passive aggressive bullshit. As far as you're concerned, anything that's not good is outrageously bad and although it might just be your schtick, after a few months it just gets really, really fucking noisy, and I really, really don't want to have to hear it any more.
If Soler is really that good (and, I'm sure he is), he probably should have recognized the ball/strike tendencies after the first strike call. Understanding the strike zone doesn't mean "don't swing". It means foul the fucking pitch off if it's not a pitch you can do something with. It sounds like it should have been apparent on strike 2 as well (although it didn't really matter if he fouled off strike 2).
Also, Cervelli is a pretty good pitch framer. So, blaming the umps is probably not the proper place to lay all the blame.
Which brings up a broader point...complaining about officiating is dumb. Soler isn't getting screwed any more than anyone else. Maybe the umps are mad about the impending lifting of the embargo but I doubt it. Soler will figure his shit out (he's not even having a bad year, just needs to make some adjustments). But, holy shit, putting the blame on bad officiating is just poor form.
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Which brings up a broader point...complaining about officiating is dumb.
Correct, unless it's done in the context of suggesting a solution. Like QUESTEC for all balls and strikes.
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Soler isn't getting screwed any more than anyone else.
Don't know if that's true. Sure seems like he's gotten an awful lot of the bad calls.
Quote from: Oleg on May 18, 2015, 03:26:50 PM
If Soler is really that good (and, I'm sure he is), he probably should have recognized the ball/strike tendencies after the first strike call. Understanding the strike zone doesn't mean "don't swing". It means foul the fucking pitch off if it's not a pitch you can do something with. It sounds like it should have been apparent on strike 2 as well (although it didn't really matter if he fouled off strike 2).
Also, Cervelli is a pretty good pitch framer. So, blaming the umps is probably not the proper place to lay all the blame.
Which brings up a broader point...complaining about officiating is dumb. Soler isn't getting screwed any more than anyone else. Maybe the umps are mad about the impending lifting of the embargo but I doubt it. Soler will figure his shit out (he's not even having a bad year, just needs to make some adjustments). But, holy shit, putting the blame on bad officiating is just poor form.
A quick look at Baseball Reference tells me that Soler, despite leading the NL in strikeouts, has improved on last year's OBP by 16 points. Instead of being 33% of the way toward first base, he's 34.6% of the way toward first base. That's absolutely staggering. His only real problem is a power shortage: .573 slugging last year (in 24 G) versus .399 this year. The strikeouts are a part of that, I'm sure, but he'll heat up and adjust as the season goes on, and that number should settle somewhere in the middle closer to .573 than .399. He's going to have a big year and I'm going to love every minute.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on May 18, 2015, 03:52:33 PM
Quote from: Oleg on May 18, 2015, 03:26:50 PM
If Soler is really that good (and, I'm sure he is), he probably should have recognized the ball/strike tendencies after the first strike call. Understanding the strike zone doesn't mean "don't swing". It means foul the fucking pitch off if it's not a pitch you can do something with. It sounds like it should have been apparent on strike 2 as well (although it didn't really matter if he fouled off strike 2).
Also, Cervelli is a pretty good pitch framer. So, blaming the umps is probably not the proper place to lay all the blame.
Which brings up a broader point...complaining about officiating is dumb. Soler isn't getting screwed any more than anyone else. Maybe the umps are mad about the impending lifting of the embargo but I doubt it. Soler will figure his shit out (he's not even having a bad year, just needs to make some adjustments). But, holy shit, putting the blame on bad officiating is just poor form.
A quick look at Baseball Reference tells me that Soler, despite leading the NL in strikeouts, has improved on last year's OBP by 16 points. Instead of being 33% of the way toward first base, he's 34.6% of the way toward first base. That's absolutely staggering. His only real problem is a power shortage: .573 slugging last year (in 24 G) versus .399 this year. The strikeouts are a part of that, I'm sure, but he'll heat up and adjust as the season goes on, and that number should settle somewhere in the middle closer to .573 than .399. He's going to have a big year and I'm going to love every minute.
It's almost as if this was expressed before. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8389.msg286904#msg286904)
Quote from: PANK! on May 18, 2015, 04:02:47 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on May 18, 2015, 03:52:33 PM
Quote from: Oleg on May 18, 2015, 03:26:50 PM
If Soler is really that good (and, I'm sure he is), he probably should have recognized the ball/strike tendencies after the first strike call. Understanding the strike zone doesn't mean "don't swing". It means foul the fucking pitch off if it's not a pitch you can do something with. It sounds like it should have been apparent on strike 2 as well (although it didn't really matter if he fouled off strike 2).
Also, Cervelli is a pretty good pitch framer. So, blaming the umps is probably not the proper place to lay all the blame.
Which brings up a broader point...complaining about officiating is dumb. Soler isn't getting screwed any more than anyone else. Maybe the umps are mad about the impending lifting of the embargo but I doubt it. Soler will figure his shit out (he's not even having a bad year, just needs to make some adjustments). But, holy shit, putting the blame on bad officiating is just poor form.
A quick look at Baseball Reference tells me that Soler, despite leading the NL in strikeouts, has improved on last year's OBP by 16 points. Instead of being 33% of the way toward first base, he's 34.6% of the way toward first base. That's absolutely staggering. His only real problem is a power shortage: .573 slugging last year (in 24 G) versus .399 this year. The strikeouts are a part of that, I'm sure, but he'll heat up and adjust as the season goes on, and that number should settle somewhere in the middle closer to .573 than .399. He's going to have a big year and I'm going to love every minute.
It's almost as if this was expressed before. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8389.msg286904#msg286904)
Five pages ago? It may as well never happened. I was way ahead of you all on SKO's Doom Train Express fatigue but you don't see me bragging about it. Except this post. And maybe one other time. Who remembers.
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on May 18, 2015, 03:52:33 PM
Quote from: Oleg on May 18, 2015, 03:26:50 PM
If Soler is really that good (and, I'm sure he is), he probably should have recognized the ball/strike tendencies after the first strike call. Understanding the strike zone doesn't mean "don't swing". It means foul the fucking pitch off if it's not a pitch you can do something with. It sounds like it should have been apparent on strike 2 as well (although it didn't really matter if he fouled off strike 2).
Also, Cervelli is a pretty good pitch framer. So, blaming the umps is probably not the proper place to lay all the blame.
Which brings up a broader point...complaining about officiating is dumb. Soler isn't getting screwed any more than anyone else. Maybe the umps are mad about the impending lifting of the embargo but I doubt it. Soler will figure his shit out (he's not even having a bad year, just needs to make some adjustments). But, holy shit, putting the blame on bad officiating is just poor form.
A quick look at Baseball Reference tells me that Soler, despite leading the NL in strikeouts, has improved on last year's OBP by 16 points. Instead of being 33% of the way toward first base, he's 34.6% of the way toward first base. That's absolutely staggering. His only real problem is a power shortage: .573 slugging last year (in 24 G) versus .399 this year. The strikeouts are a part of that, I'm sure, but he'll heat up and adjust as the season goes on, and that number should settle somewhere in the middle closer to .573 than .399. He's going to have a big year and I'm going to love every minute.
It's almost as if this was expressed before. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8389.msg286904#msg286904)
Five pages ago? It may as well never happened. I was way ahead of you all on SKO's Doom Train Express fatigue but you don't see me bragging about it. Except this post. And maybe one other time. Who remembers.
The North. The North never forgets.
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I can't get too butthurt about those calls.
I can? If you call three straight pitches outside the zone a strike, fuck you. You are bad at your job.
He didn't. Pitch 3 (the pitch that was clearly way outside) was called a ball. Pitches 1 and 4 (just outside) and pitch 2 (might even have caught the black) were called strikes.
If you're seriously going to argue that calling all three of those pitches strikes is good umping, I'm just going to walk away. Everyone of those was outside the zone. If the best you can say about ONE of three pitches is "might have caught the zone", that's not good.
I didn't say anything about good umpiring, you twat. You said he called three straight bad pitches for strikes. You were wrong.
EDIT: As for the walking away bit, though, be my guest.
I don't even get why you're arguing with me if you're not defending the official anyway? I conceded your point that Jorge should have protected on strike three. If you're not trying to argue that the ump did a good job, where's our disagreement? Are you really that upset that I think something is outrageously bad and you think it was merely "not that bad?" Upset enough to call me a twat, sir?
Clearly, I am upset enough to call you a twat, because that's exactly what I did. I quietly and politely stated facts and was met with that passive aggressive bullshit. As far as you're concerned, anything that's not good is outrageously bad and although it might just be your schtick, after a few months it just gets really, really fucking noisy, and I really, really don't want to have to hear it any more.
Ouch. I'm afraid I'm left with no options then. I really wish it hadn't come to this.
(http://i.imgur.com/w6qqaPo.png)
Quote from: SKO on May 18, 2015, 07:33:24 PM
Ouch. I'm afraid I'm left with no options then. I really wish it hadn't come to this.
(http://i.imgur.com/w6qqaPo.png)
Nicely done.
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Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 18, 2015, 02:11:40 PM
I can't get too butthurt about those calls.
I can? If you call three straight pitches outside the zone a strike, fuck you. You are bad at your job.
He didn't. Pitch 3 (the pitch that was clearly way outside) was called a ball. Pitches 1 and 4 (just outside) and pitch 2 (might even have caught the black) were called strikes.
If you're seriously going to argue that calling all three of those pitches strikes is good umping, I'm just going to walk away. Everyone of those was outside the zone. If the best you can say about ONE of three pitches is "might have caught the zone", that's not good.
I didn't say anything about good umpiring, you twat. You said he called three straight bad pitches for strikes. You were wrong.
EDIT: As for the walking away bit, though, be my guest.
I don't even get why you're arguing with me if you're not defending the official anyway? I conceded your point that Jorge should have protected on strike three. If you're not trying to argue that the ump did a good job, where's our disagreement? Are you really that upset that I think something is outrageously bad and you think it was merely "not that bad?" Upset enough to call me a twat, sir?
Clearly, I am upset enough to call you a twat, because that's exactly what I did. I quietly and politely stated facts and was met with that passive aggressive bullshit. As far as you're concerned, anything that's not good is outrageously bad and although it might just be your schtick, after a few months it just gets really, really fucking noisy, and I really, really don't want to have to hear it any more.
Ouch. I'm afraid I'm left with no options then. I really wish it hadn't come to this.
(http://i.imgur.com/w6qqaPo.png)
He's a Brit. Shouldn't that be cunt?
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Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 18, 2015, 02:11:40 PM
I can't get too butthurt about those calls.
I can? If you call three straight pitches outside the zone a strike, fuck you. You are bad at your job.
He didn't. Pitch 3 (the pitch that was clearly way outside) was called a ball. Pitches 1 and 4 (just outside) and pitch 2 (might even have caught the black) were called strikes.
If you're seriously going to argue that calling all three of those pitches strikes is good umping, I'm just going to walk away. Everyone of those was outside the zone. If the best you can say about ONE of three pitches is "might have caught the zone", that's not good.
I didn't say anything about good umpiring, you twat. You said he called three straight bad pitches for strikes. You were wrong.
EDIT: As for the walking away bit, though, be my guest.
I don't even get why you're arguing with me if you're not defending the official anyway? I conceded your point that Jorge should have protected on strike three. If you're not trying to argue that the ump did a good job, where's our disagreement? Are you really that upset that I think something is outrageously bad and you think it was merely "not that bad?" Upset enough to call me a twat, sir?
Clearly, I am upset enough to call you a twat, because that's exactly what I did. I quietly and politely stated facts and was met with that passive aggressive bullshit. As far as you're concerned, anything that's not good is outrageously bad and although it might just be your schtick, after a few months it just gets really, really fucking noisy, and I really, really don't want to have to hear it any more.
Ouch. I'm afraid I'm left with no options then. I really wish it hadn't come to this.
(http://i.imgur.com/w6qqaPo.png)
He's a Brit. Shouldn't that be cunt?
He's Australian, you buffoon.
Also: WOOOOOOO! 346 - IN YOUR FACE MATE
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Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 18, 2015, 02:11:40 PM
I can't get too butthurt about those calls.
I can? If you call three straight pitches outside the zone a strike, fuck you. You are bad at your job.
He didn't. Pitch 3 (the pitch that was clearly way outside) was called a ball. Pitches 1 and 4 (just outside) and pitch 2 (might even have caught the black) were called strikes.
If you're seriously going to argue that calling all three of those pitches strikes is good umping, I'm just going to walk away. Everyone of those was outside the zone. If the best you can say about ONE of three pitches is "might have caught the zone", that's not good.
I didn't say anything about good umpiring, you twat. You said he called three straight bad pitches for strikes. You were wrong.
EDIT: As for the walking away bit, though, be my guest.
I don't even get why you're arguing with me if you're not defending the official anyway? I conceded your point that Jorge should have protected on strike three. If you're not trying to argue that the ump did a good job, where's our disagreement? Are you really that upset that I think something is outrageously bad and you think it was merely "not that bad?" Upset enough to call me a twat, sir?
Clearly, I am upset enough to call you a twat, because that's exactly what I did. I quietly and politely stated facts and was met with that passive aggressive bullshit. As far as you're concerned, anything that's not good is outrageously bad and although it might just be your schtick, after a few months it just gets really, really fucking noisy, and I really, really don't want to have to hear it any more.
Ouch. I'm afraid I'm left with no options then. I really wish it hadn't come to this.
(http://i.imgur.com/w6qqaPo.png)
He's a Brit. Shouldn't that be cunt?
For the love of...
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/winning-and-losing-the-strike-zone-game/
Per this article the Cubs batters have gotten screwed more than anyone but the Phillies when it comes to ball/strike calls this year. Soler probably doesn't get it worse than anyone else but it's easy for it to seem like it when each instance sticks out more for a slumping hitter.
On the flip side, Cubs pitchers have benefited from a generous zone, so either Montero and Ross are as great at framing as we were told or the Cubs in general have just drawn some umps with wide zones this year.
Either way, I think there appears to be some substance to my FEELING that Soler keeps getting the short end of the stick and I'll demand Robot Umps till the cows come home or Jorge starts crushing dongs and I forget all about it.
Quote from: CubFaninHydePark on May 18, 2015, 05:04:54 PM
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If Soler is really that good (and, I'm sure he is), he probably should have recognized the ball/strike tendencies after the first strike call. Understanding the strike zone doesn't mean "don't swing". It means foul the fucking pitch off if it's not a pitch you can do something with. It sounds like it should have been apparent on strike 2 as well (although it didn't really matter if he fouled off strike 2).
Also, Cervelli is a pretty good pitch framer. So, blaming the umps is probably not the proper place to lay all the blame.
Which brings up a broader point...complaining about officiating is dumb. Soler isn't getting screwed any more than anyone else. Maybe the umps are mad about the impending lifting of the embargo but I doubt it. Soler will figure his shit out (he's not even having a bad year, just needs to make some adjustments). But, holy shit, putting the blame on bad officiating is just poor form.
A quick look at Baseball Reference tells me that Soler, despite leading the NL in strikeouts, has improved on last year's OBP by 16 points. Instead of being 33% of the way toward first base, he's 34.6% of the way toward first base. That's absolutely staggering. His only real problem is a power shortage: .573 slugging last year (in 24 G) versus .399 this year. The strikeouts are a part of that, I'm sure, but he'll heat up and adjust as the season goes on, and that number should settle somewhere in the middle closer to .573 than .399. He's going to have a big year and I'm going to love every minute.
It's almost as if this was expressed before. (http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=8389.msg286904#msg286904)
Five pages ago? It may as well never happened. I was way ahead of you all on SKO's Doom Train Express fatigue but you don't see me bragging about it. Except this post. And maybe one other time. Who remembers.
The North. The North never forgets remembers.
Assuming that's a Game of Thrones reference, we may as well get it right.
Quote from: SKO on May 18, 2015, 10:49:12 PM
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/winning-and-losing-the-strike-zone-game/
On the flip side, Cubs pitchers have benefited from a generous zone, so either Montero and Ross are as great at framing as we were told or the Cubs in general have just drawn some umps with wide zones this year.
That would explain both Cubs' pitchers getting help and Cubs hitters getting hosed.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 19, 2015, 09:44:37 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 18, 2015, 10:49:12 PM
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/winning-and-losing-the-strike-zone-game/
On the flip side, Cubs pitchers have benefited from a generous zone, so either Montero and Ross are as great at framing as we were told or the Cubs in general have just drawn some umps with wide zones this year.
That would explain both Cubs' pitchers getting help and Cubs hitters getting hosed.
The run does set up the play action, yes.
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on May 19, 2015, 09:44:37 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 18, 2015, 10:49:12 PM
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/winning-and-losing-the-strike-zone-game/
On the flip side, Cubs pitchers have benefited from a generous zone, so either Montero and Ross are as great at framing as we were told or the Cubs in general have just drawn some umps with wide zones this year.
That would explain both Cubs' pitchers getting help and Cubs hitters getting hosed.
The run does set up the play action, yes.
only if you can establish it.
Also I have found Sterling and Huey arguing over who posted the Joyful Positive in this thread first amusing mostly because I don't think anyone in this thread's history has actually been down on Soler. IAN frets over the K's because that's his new thing, but I think everyone has pretty much agreed that Jorge will be fine. We just had a big spat over how much we can blame his current struggles on mean umps.
Quote from: SKO on May 19, 2015, 11:01:13 AM
Also I have found Sterling and Huey arguing over who posted the Joyful Positive in this thread first amusing mostly because I don't think anyone in this thread's history has actually been down on Soler. IAN frets over the K's because that's his new thing, but I think everyone has pretty much agreed that Jorge will be fine. We just had a big spat over how much we can blame his current struggles on mean umps. 6 minutes have gone by and I've failed to express my thoughts in writing.
TIME TO POST'd.
Quote from: PANK! on May 19, 2015, 11:02:26 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 19, 2015, 11:01:13 AM
Also I have found Sterling and Huey arguing over who posted the Joyful Positive in this thread first amusing mostly because I don't think anyone in this thread's history has actually been down on Soler. IAN frets over the K's because that's his new thing, but I think everyone has pretty much agreed that Jorge will be fine. We just had a big spat over how much we can blame his current struggles on mean umps. 6 minutes have gone by and I've failed to express my thoughts in writing.
TIME TO POST'd.
You really want on that list, dontcha
Not panicking but if one of you advanced stats guys have anything that will help set me at ease about our guy Jorge I'd be okay with that.
Quote from: SKO on May 19, 2015, 11:01:13 AM
Also I have found Sterling and Huey arguing over who posted the Joyful Positive in this thread first amusing mostly because I don't think anyone in this thread's history has actually been down on Soler. IAN frets over the K's because that's his new thing, but I think everyone has pretty much agreed that Jorge will be fine. We just had a big spat over how much we can blame his current struggles on mean umps.
Quote from: SKO on May 20, 2015, 10:23:30 AM
Not panicking but if one of you advanced stats guys have anything that will help set me at ease about our guy Jorge I'd be okay with that.
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Quote from: SKO on May 19, 2015, 11:01:13 AM
Also I have found Sterling and Huey arguing over who posted the Joyful Positive in this thread first amusing mostly because I don't think anyone in this thread's history has actually been down on Soler. IAN frets over the K's because that's his new thing, but I think everyone has pretty much agreed that Jorge will be fine. We just had a big spat over how much we can blame his current struggles on mean umps.
Quote from: SKO on May 20, 2015, 10:23:30 AM
Not panicking but if one of you advanced stats guys have anything that will help set me at ease about our guy Jorge I'd be okay with that.
That's quite a windsock.
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Quote from: SKO on May 19, 2015, 11:01:13 AM
Also I have found Sterling and Huey arguing over who posted the Joyful Positive in this thread first amusing mostly because I don't think anyone in this thread's history has actually been down on Soler. IAN frets over the K's because that's his new thing, but I think everyone has pretty much agreed that Jorge will be fine. We just had a big spat over how much we can blame his current struggles on mean umps.
Quote from: SKO on May 20, 2015, 10:23:30 AM
Not panicking but if one of you advanced stats guys have anything that will help set me at ease about our guy Jorge I'd be okay with that.
That's quite a windsock.
All well and good, I'm just wondering if there's some hidden explanation of Jorge's struggles or anything to indicate that he's closer to figuring it out than it looks. But fire away.
Quote from: PANK! on May 20, 2015, 10:57:27 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on May 20, 2015, 10:56:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 19, 2015, 11:01:13 AM
Also I have found Sterling and Huey arguing over who posted the Joyful Positive in this thread first amusing mostly because I don't think anyone in this thread's history has actually been down on Soler. IAN frets over the K's because that's his new thing, but I think everyone has pretty much agreed that Jorge will be fine. We just had a big spat over how much we can blame his current struggles on mean umps.
Quote from: SKO on May 20, 2015, 10:23:30 AM
Not panicking but if one of you advanced stats guys have anything that will help set me at ease about our guy Jorge I'd be okay with that.
That's quite a windsock.
Cut him some slack, he's been hormonal since giving birth.
Quote from: SKO on May 20, 2015, 10:58:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 20, 2015, 10:57:27 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on May 20, 2015, 10:56:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 19, 2015, 11:01:13 AM
Also I have found Sterling and Huey arguing over who posted the Joyful Positive in this thread first amusing mostly because I don't think anyone in this thread's history has actually been down on Soler. IAN frets over the K's because that's his new thing, but I think everyone has pretty much agreed that Jorge will be fine. We just had a big spat over how much we can blame his current struggles on mean umps.
Quote from: SKO on May 20, 2015, 10:23:30 AM
Not panicking but if one of you advanced stats guys have anything that will help set me at ease about our guy Jorge I'd be okay with that.
That's quite a windsock.
All well and good, I'm just wondering if there's some hidden explanation of Jorge's struggles or anything to indicate that he's closer to figuring it out than it looks. But fire away.
And you mocked me for my pre-emptive joyful positive on the grounds that nobody was worried about him. The rapidity with which you pretty much took the exact same tack is breathtaking.
Quote from: PANK! on May 20, 2015, 11:01:12 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 20, 2015, 10:58:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 20, 2015, 10:57:27 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on May 20, 2015, 10:56:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 19, 2015, 11:01:13 AM
Also I have found Sterling and Huey arguing over who posted the Joyful Positive in this thread first amusing mostly because I don't think anyone in this thread's history has actually been down on Soler. IAN frets over the K's because that's his new thing, but I think everyone has pretty much agreed that Jorge will be fine. We just had a big spat over how much we can blame his current struggles on mean umps.
Quote from: SKO on May 20, 2015, 10:23:30 AM
Not panicking but if one of you advanced stats guys have anything that will help set me at ease about our guy Jorge I'd be okay with that.
That's quite a windsock.
All well and good, I'm just wondering if there's some hidden explanation of Jorge's struggles or anything to indicate that he's closer to figuring it out than it looks. But fire away.
And you mocked me for my pre-emptive joyful positive on the grounds that nobody was worried about him. The rapidity with which you pretty much took the exact same tack is breathtaking.
Oh I wasn't mocking you then. It just felt like you and Sterling were both telling people to calm down about Jorge when no one was panicking at the time. Looking back at your original post I see you were basically just posting good things to comfort your own worries. Maybe we can both just sit over here, nervously hoping for the best together and let this one slide.
Quote from: SKO on May 20, 2015, 11:03:30 AM
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Quote from: SKO on May 20, 2015, 10:58:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 20, 2015, 10:57:27 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on May 20, 2015, 10:56:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 19, 2015, 11:01:13 AM
Also I have found Sterling and Huey arguing over who posted the Joyful Positive in this thread first amusing mostly because I don't think anyone in this thread's history has actually been down on Soler. IAN frets over the K's because that's his new thing, but I think everyone has pretty much agreed that Jorge will be fine. We just had a big spat over how much we can blame his current struggles on mean umps.
Quote from: SKO on May 20, 2015, 10:23:30 AM
Not panicking but if one of you advanced stats guys have anything that will help set me at ease about our guy Jorge I'd be okay with that.
That's quite a windsock.
All well and good, I'm just wondering if there's some hidden explanation of Jorge's struggles or anything to indicate that he's closer to figuring it out than it looks. But fire away.
And you mocked me for my pre-emptive joyful positive on the grounds that nobody was worried about him. The rapidity with which you pretty much took the exact same tack is breathtaking.
Oh I wasn't mocking you then. It just felt like you and Sterling were both telling people to calm down about Jorge when no one was panicking at the time. Looking back at your original post I see you were basically just posting good things to comfort your own worries. Maybe we can both just sit over here, nervously hoping for the best together and let this one slide.
Deal.
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Quote from: SKO on May 20, 2015, 11:03:30 AM
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Quote from: PANK! on May 20, 2015, 10:57:27 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on May 20, 2015, 10:56:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 19, 2015, 11:01:13 AM
Also I have found Sterling and Huey arguing over who posted the Joyful Positive in this thread first amusing mostly because I don't think anyone in this thread's history has actually been down on Soler. IAN frets over the K's because that's his new thing, but I think everyone has pretty much agreed that Jorge will be fine. We just had a big spat over how much we can blame his current struggles on mean umps.
Quote from: SKO on May 20, 2015, 10:23:30 AM
Not panicking but if one of you advanced stats guys have anything that will help set me at ease about our guy Jorge I'd be okay with that.
That's quite a windsock.
All well and good, I'm just wondering if there's some hidden explanation of Jorge's struggles or anything to indicate that he's closer to figuring it out than it looks. But fire away.
And you mocked me for my pre-emptive joyful positive on the grounds that nobody was worried about him. The rapidity with which you pretty much took the exact same tack is breathtaking.
Oh I wasn't mocking you then. It just felt like you and Sterling were both telling people to calm down about Jorge when no one was panicking at the time. Looking back at your original post I see you were basically just posting good things to comfort your own worries. Maybe we can both just sit over here, nervously hoping for the best together and let this one slide.
Deal.
Can you both shut the fuck up for 10 seconds now?
Quote from: PenFoe on May 20, 2015, 11:06:23 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 20, 2015, 11:05:42 AM
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Quote from: PANK! on May 20, 2015, 10:57:27 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on May 20, 2015, 10:56:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 19, 2015, 11:01:13 AM
Also I have found Sterling and Huey arguing over who posted the Joyful Positive in this thread first amusing mostly because I don't think anyone in this thread's history has actually been down on Soler. IAN frets over the K's because that's his new thing, but I think everyone has pretty much agreed that Jorge will be fine. We just had a big spat over how much we can blame his current struggles on mean umps.
Quote from: SKO on May 20, 2015, 10:23:30 AM
Not panicking but if one of you advanced stats guys have anything that will help set me at ease about our guy Jorge I'd be okay with that.
That's quite a windsock.
All well and good, I'm just wondering if there's some hidden explanation of Jorge's struggles or anything to indicate that he's closer to figuring it out than it looks. But fire away.
And you mocked me for my pre-emptive joyful positive on the grounds that nobody was worried about him. The rapidity with which you pretty much took the exact same tack is breathtaking.
Oh I wasn't mocking you then. It just felt like you and Sterling were both telling people to calm down about Jorge when no one was panicking at the time. Looking back at your original post I see you were basically just posting good things to comfort your own worries. Maybe we can both just sit over here, nervously hoping for the best together and let this one slide.
Deal.
Can you both shut the fuck up for 10 seconds now?
*Counts to 9*
Damnit.
Quote from: SKO on May 20, 2015, 10:58:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 20, 2015, 10:57:27 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on May 20, 2015, 10:56:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 19, 2015, 11:01:13 AM
Also I have found Sterling and Huey arguing over who posted the Joyful Positive in this thread first amusing mostly because I don't think anyone in this thread's history has actually been down on Soler. IAN frets over the K's because that's his new thing, but I think everyone has pretty much agreed that Jorge will be fine. We just had a big spat over how much we can blame his current struggles on mean umps.
Quote from: SKO on May 20, 2015, 10:23:30 AM
Not panicking but if one of you advanced stats guys have anything that will help set me at ease about our guy Jorge I'd be okay with that.
That's quite a windsock.
All well and good, I'm just wondering if there's some hidden explanation of Jorge's struggles or anything to indicate that he's closer to figuring it out than it looks. But fire away.
April: .247/.319/.395
May: .288/.360/.379
Edit: K% is also down from 36% in April to 31% in May.
Quote from: SKO on May 20, 2015, 10:58:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 20, 2015, 10:57:27 AM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on May 20, 2015, 10:56:33 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 19, 2015, 11:01:13 AM
Also I have found Sterling and Huey arguing over who posted the Joyful Positive in this thread first amusing mostly because I don't think anyone in this thread's history has actually been down on Soler. IAN frets over the K's because that's his new thing, but I think everyone has pretty much agreed that Jorge will be fine. We just had a big spat over how much we can blame his current struggles on mean umps.
Quote from: SKO on May 20, 2015, 10:23:30 AM
Not panicking but if one of you advanced stats guys have anything that will help set me at ease about our guy Jorge I'd be okay with that.
That's quite a windsock.
All well and good, I'm just wondering if there's some hidden explanation of Jorge's struggles or anything to indicate that he's closer to figuring it out than it looks. But fire away.
Well, 24.7% of the balls he's putting in to play are well-hit. That's a hair below Bryant and Russell (tied for second on the team at 25%) and a bit above Rizzo and Coghlan. Team average is 19.1%. Guesses on the team leader? David Ross. By a wide margin. At 36.4% (although it's only 22 balls in play we're talking about).
Soler's K'd looking 13 times. That's most on the team and tied for 7th most in the majors. But, at the same time, those 13 K's looking are "only" 8.8% of his ABs. Going by the rate, he's 35th most prone to going down with the bat on his shoulder -- Drew Stubbs also has 13 K's looking this season, but in only 51 ABs compared to Soler's 147. Pretty ridiculous.
He'll figure it out. Jorge is love. Jorge is life.
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Also I have found Sterling and Huey arguing over who posted the Joyful Positive in this thread first amusing mostly because I don't think anyone in this thread's history has actually been down on Soler. IAN frets over the K's because that's his new thing, but I think everyone has pretty much agreed that Jorge will be fine. We just had a big spat over how much we can blame his current struggles on mean umps.
Quote from: SKO on May 20, 2015, 10:23:30 AM
Not panicking but if one of you advanced stats guys have anything that will help set me at ease about our guy Jorge I'd be okay with that.
That's quite a windsock.
All well and good, I'm just wondering if there's some hidden explanation of Jorge's struggles or anything to indicate that he's closer to figuring it out than it looks. But fire away.
Well, 24.7% of the balls he's putting in to play are well-hit. That's a hair below Bryant and Russell (tied for second on the team at 25%) and a bit above Rizzo and Coghlan. Team average is 19.1%. Guesses on the team leader? David Ross. By a wide margin. At 36.4% (although it's only 22 balls in play we're talking about).
Soler's K'd looking 13 times. That's most on the team and tied for 7th most in the majors. But, at the same time, those 13 K's looking are "only" 8.8% of his ABs. Going by the rate, he's 35th most prone to going down with the bat on his shoulder -- Drew Stubbs also has 13 K's looking this season, but in only 51 ABs compared to Soler's 147. Pretty ridiculous.
He'll figure it out. Jorge is love. Jorge is life.
This was all I wanted. Thank you. sir.
He's warming up
Quote from: SKO on May 24, 2015, 12:38:58 AM
He's warming up
Possibly the biggest hit of his young career so far--a game-tying 2 out, 2 run double to tie the game in the 8th. Schwing.
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He's warming up
Possibly the biggest hit of his young career so far--a game-tying 2 out, 2 run double to tie the game in the 8th. Schwing.
Most importantly it was hit to right center. He's started taking those breaking balls away to right field. Eventually they'll try busting him inside again and there'll be hell to pay.
In the last week: .364/.364/.545/.909 with just 4 Ks in 22 PA's.
Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 09:28:32 AM
In the last week: .364/.364/.545/.909 with just 4 Ks in 22 PA's.
HE'S ON FIRE!!!!!
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Quote from: SKO on May 28, 2015, 09:28:32 AM
In the last week: .364/.364/.545/.909 with just 4 Ks in 22 PA's.
HE'S ON FIRE!!!!!
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So much THIS (https://youtu.be/n1IO8Yoiiqc?t=3m9s) I can't stand up.
He really, really needs to start fouling those borderline pitches off.
Quote from: Tonker on May 31, 2015, 03:29:47 PM
He really, really needs to start fouling those borderline pitches off.
He was 28-100 with three dongs in May and K'd 32 times. It seemed a whole lot worse didn't it?
Bryant was 27-100 with seven dongs and K'd 39. I know Bryant had a much greater month, but if that was Soler "struggling" to adjust to MLB pitching, the Cubs are going to win four or five World Series.
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Quote from: Tonker on May 31, 2015, 03:29:47 PM
He really, really needs to start fouling those borderline pitches off.
He was 28-100 with three dongs in May and K'd 32 times. It seemed a whole lot worse didn't it?
Bryant was 27-100 with seven dongs and K'd 39. I know Bryant had a much greater month, but if that was Soler "struggling" to adjust to MLB pitching, the Cubs are going to win four or five World Series.
He was abysmal the last two weeks or so of April and about the first week or so of May, and then slowly worked his way back, and now I'd say he's ready to tear the cover off of the ball all summer. He had one yesterday that would have been out almost any other day.
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He really, really needs to start fouling those borderline pitches off.
He was 28-100 with three dongs in May and K'd 32 times. It seemed a whole lot worse didn't it?
Bryant was 27-100 with seven dongs and K'd 39. I know Bryant had a much greater month, but if that was Soler "struggling" to adjust to MLB pitching, the Cubs are going to win four or five World Series.
He was abysmal the last two weeks or so of April and about the first week or so of May, and then slowly worked his way back, and now I'd say he's ready to tear the cover off of the ball all summer. He had one yesterday that would have been out almost any other day.
Soler is that dude who's gonna get so shit-white hot he's going to blind a few motherfuckers with the explosions he's going to cause.
A locked in Soler is the scariest thing in the world because his swing is so beautifully violent I fear for the life of anyone in the path of a ball from his bat.
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He really, really needs to start fouling those borderline pitches off.
He was 28-100 with three dongs in May and K'd 32 times. It seemed a whole lot worse didn't it?
Bryant was 27-100 with seven dongs and K'd 39. I know Bryant had a much greater month, but if that was Soler "struggling" to adjust to MLB pitching, the Cubs are going to win four or five World Series.
He was abysmal the last two weeks or so of April and about the first week or so of May, and then slowly worked his way back, and now I'd say he's ready to tear the cover off of the ball all summer. He had one yesterday that would have been out almost any other day.
Soler is that dude who's gonna get so shit-white hot he's going to blind a few motherfuckers with the explosions he's going to cause.
A locked in Soler is the scariest thing in the world because his swing is so beautifully violent I fear for the life of anyone in the path of a ball from his bat.
yes please
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He really, really needs to start fouling those borderline pitches off.
He was 28-100 with three dongs in May and K'd 32 times. It seemed a whole lot worse didn't it?
Bryant was 27-100 with seven dongs and K'd 39. I know Bryant had a much greater month, but if that was Soler "struggling" to adjust to MLB pitching, the Cubs are going to win four or five World Series.
He was abysmal the last two weeks or so of April and about the first week or so of May, and then slowly worked his way back, and now I'd say he's ready to tear the cover off of the ball all summer. He had one yesterday that would have been out almost any other day.
Soler is that dude who's gonna get so shit-white hot he's going to blind a few motherfuckers with the explosions he's going to cause.
A locked in Soler is the scariest thing in the world because his swing is so beautifully violent I fear for the life of anyone in the path of a ball from his bat.
Your shit is white?
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Quote from: Tonker on May 31, 2015, 03:29:47 PM
He really, really needs to start fouling those borderline pitches off.
He was 28-100 with three dongs in May and K'd 32 times. It seemed a whole lot worse didn't it?
Bryant was 27-100 with seven dongs and K'd 39. I know Bryant had a much greater month, but if that was Soler "struggling" to adjust to MLB pitching, the Cubs are going to win four or five World Series.
He was abysmal the last two weeks or so of April and about the first week or so of May, and then slowly worked his way back, and now I'd say he's ready to tear the cover off of the ball all summer. He had one yesterday that would have been out almost any other day.
Soler is that dude who's gonna get so shit-white hot he's going to blind a few motherfuckers with the explosions he's going to cause.
A locked in Soler is the scariest thing in the world because his swing is so beautifully violent I fear for the life of anyone in the path of a ball from his bat.
Your shit is white?
After it sits out in the sun for a week probably.
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Quote from: Tonker on May 31, 2015, 03:29:47 PM
He really, really needs to start fouling those borderline pitches off.
He was 28-100 with three dongs in May and K'd 32 times. It seemed a whole lot worse didn't it?
Bryant was 27-100 with seven dongs and K'd 39. I know Bryant had a much greater month, but if that was Soler "struggling" to adjust to MLB pitching, the Cubs are going to win four or five World Series.
He was abysmal the last two weeks or so of April and about the first week or so of May, and then slowly worked his way back, and now I'd say he's ready to tear the cover off of the ball all summer. He had one yesterday that would have been out almost any other day.
Soler is that dude who's gonna get so shit-white hot he's going to blind a few motherfuckers with the explosions he's going to cause.
A locked in Soler is the scariest thing in the world because his swing is so beautifully violent I fear for the life of anyone in the path of a ball from his bat.
Your shit is white?
After it sits out in the sun for a week probably.
Jesus Christ, you need to pick that up with a shopping bag. We're living in a society here, people.
DL, shit.
Goddammit.
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DL, shit.
Baxter to replace him. For 6 days if I calculated Baez's service time correctly.
According to Gordo the time table is about 6 weeks, so it's probably a stupid high ankle sprain. Dammit all to hell.
Quote from: SKO on June 03, 2015, 03:38:22 PM
According to Gordo the time table is about 6 weeks, so it's probably a stupid high ankle sprain. Dammit all to hell.
Whoa whoa whoa - according to this guy (https://twitter.com/nsperry2/status/606206327635910656), Jorge will be fine in about 10 days.
Let's give Fork a chance to weigh in before we finalize the timetable.
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Quote from: SKO on June 03, 2015, 03:38:22 PM
According to Gordo the time table is about 6 weeks, so it's probably a stupid high ankle sprain. Dammit all to hell.
Whoa whoa whoa - according to this guy (https://twitter.com/nsperry2/status/606206327635910656), Jorge will be fine in about 10 days.
Let's give Fork a chance to weigh in before we finalize the timetable.
And Gonzales said in his trib article it could be "up to 3 weeks". So let's hope he comes off the DL on day 16 and we can all laugh at Gordo for being a wrongheaded fuckface again.
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According to Gordo the time table is about 6 weeks, so it's probably a stupid high ankle sprain. Dammit all to hell.
Whoa whoa whoa - according to this guy (https://twitter.com/nsperry2/status/606206327635910656), Jorge will be fine in about 10 days.
Let's give Fork a chance to weigh in before we finalize the timetable.
And Gonzales said in his trib article it could be "up to 3 weeks". So let's hope he comes off the DL on day 16 and we can all laugh at Gordo for being a wrongheaded fuckface again.
Do we have to wait to do that?
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According to Gordo the time table is about 6 weeks, so it's probably a stupid high ankle sprain. Dammit all to hell.
Whoa whoa whoa - according to this guy (https://twitter.com/nsperry2/status/606206327635910656), Jorge will be fine in about 10 days.
Let's give Fork a chance to weigh in before we finalize the timetable.
And Gonzales said in his trib article it could be "up to 3 weeks". So let's hope he comes off the DL on day 16 and we can all laugh at Gordo for being a wrongheaded fuckface again.
Do we have to wait to do that?
From the archives
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Quote from: R-V on June 03, 2015, 04:17:49 PM
Quote from: SKO on June 03, 2015, 03:38:22 PM
According to Gordo the time table is about 6 weeks, so it's probably a stupid high ankle sprain. Dammit all to hell.
Whoa whoa whoa - according to this guy (https://twitter.com/nsperry2/status/606206327635910656), Jorge will be fine in about 10 days.
Let's give Fork a chance to weigh in before we finalize the timetable.
Never had one of those, so I have no expertise in this particular injury.
The Cubs had an article on their website this weekend about how they and Jorge really feel he'll do his 15 days and be back immediately, which I can't feel like they'd post unless they felt pretty sure it was true, and also unless they wanted to send yet another giant FUCK YOU to Gordo.
Miss youuuuuu
Quote from: SKO on June 08, 2015, 09:10:28 AM
The Cubs had an article on their website this weekend about how they and Jorge really feel he'll do his 15 days and be back immediately, which I can't feel like they'd post unless they felt pretty sure it was true, and also unless they wanted to send yet another giant FUCK YOU to Gordo.
It's going to end up being 4 to 5 weeks.
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Jorge Soler is Spanish for Andre Dawson.
I get that Andrew Dawson is revered, but they're not that similar of players. I actually really like Maddon's comp of Vladimir Guerrero with actual plate discipline. Which is just so bonerific a thought I can barely handle it.
Speaking of, Vlad Jr. is available in the international free agent pool this year. Do it, Theo
He's a Blue Jay.
Still love this mother fucker. That's what I've got to say today. That, and only that.
He's putting together some great at bats right now, great swings on everything. Glad that one finally found a gap last night.
Seems every ball he's hit since his return has been hit hard.
Has Jorge ever experienced wind before?
To the DL with a strained oblique. Fuck.
Quote from: SKO on August 24, 2015, 10:41:35 AM
To the DL with a strained oblique. Fuck.
Here's the thing -- Jorge isn't really that good. I don't think this hurts them all that much in the short term.
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Quote from: SKO on August 24, 2015, 10:41:35 AM
To the DL with a strained oblique. Fuck.
Here's the thing -- Jorge isn't really that good. I don't think this hurts them all that much in the short term.
No, he's not that great right now, but he's been fine in the second half so far and if he's ever going to get the experience he needs to become the elite hitter his talent indicates he can be the whole "missing half of every year with various nagging muscle injuries" is going to be an impediment.
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Quote from: SKO on August 24, 2015, 10:41:35 AM
To the DL with a strained oblique. Fuck.
Here's the thing -- Jorge isn't really that good. I don't think this hurts them all that much in the short term.
No, he's not that great right now, but he's been fine in the second half so far and if he's ever going to get the experience he needs to become the elite hitter his talent indicates he can be the whole "missing half of every year with various nagging muscle injuries" is going to be an impediment.
Yes, the development thing is frustrating -- mediocre and injured is no way to go through the majors, son.
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Quote from: SKO on August 24, 2015, 10:41:35 AM
To the DL with a strained oblique. Fuck.
Here's the thing -- Jorge isn't really that good. I don't think this hurts them all that much in the short term.
No, he's not that great right now, but he's been fine in the second half so far and if he's ever going to get the experience he needs to become the elite hitter his talent indicates he can be the whole "missing half of every year with various nagging muscle injuries" is going to be an impediment.
Yes, the development thing is frustrating -- mediocre and injured is no way to go through the majors, son.
And I mean he's hitting .284/.372/.388 in August. They are unlikely to match that production with La Stella, I think. So yes, this probably does hurt them a bit.
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Quote from: SKO on August 24, 2015, 10:41:35 AM
To the DL with a strained oblique. Fuck.
Here's the thing -- Jorge isn't really that good. I don't think this hurts them all that much in the short term.
No, he's not that great right now, but he's been fine in the second half so far and if he's ever going to get the experience he needs to become the elite hitter his talent indicates he can be the whole "missing half of every year with various nagging muscle injuries" is going to be an impediment.
Yes, the development thing is frustrating -- mediocre and injured is no way to go through the majors, son.
And I mean he's hitting .284/.372/.388 in August. They are unlikely to match that production with La Stella, I think. So yes, this probably does hurt them a bit.
From an offensive standpoint, probably a bit. But there should be a defensive upgrade that will hopefully offset that. We're also only talking about a few weeks here, so randomness is probably going to have a larger effect than anything else.
Let's take this over to Facebook so we can have this conversation simultaneously on three different websites.
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Quote from: SKO on August 24, 2015, 10:41:35 AM
To the DL with a strained oblique. Fuck.
Here's the thing -- Jorge isn't really that good. I don't think this hurts them all that much in the short term.
No, he's not that great right now, but he's been fine in the second half so far and if he's ever going to get the experience he needs to become the elite hitter his talent indicates he can be the whole "missing half of every year with various nagging muscle injuries" is going to be an impediment.
Yes, the development thing is frustrating -- mediocre and injured is no way to go through the majors, son.
And I mean he's hitting .284/.372/.388 in August. They are unlikely to match that production with La Stella, I think. So yes, this probably does hurt them a bit.
From an offensive standpoint, probably a bit. But there should be a defensive upgrade that will hopefully offset that. We're also only talking about a few weeks here, so randomness is probably going to have a larger effect than anything else.
Let's take this over to Facebook so we can have this conversation simultaneously on three different websites.
I'll send you a request on LinkedIn and then I stole Pen's password for Yammer so let's do this.
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Quote from: SKO on August 24, 2015, 10:41:35 AM
To the DL with a strained oblique. Fuck.
Here's the thing -- Jorge isn't really that good. I don't think this hurts them all that much in the short term.
No, he's not that great right now, but he's been fine in the second half so far and if he's ever going to get the experience he needs to become the elite hitter his talent indicates he can be the whole "missing half of every year with various nagging muscle injuries" is going to be an impediment.
Yes, the development thing is frustrating -- mediocre and injured is no way to go through the majors, son.
And I mean he's hitting .284/.372/.388 in August. They are unlikely to match that production with La Stella, I think. So yes, this probably does hurt them a bit.
From an offensive standpoint, probably a bit. But there should be a defensive upgrade that will hopefully offset that. We're also only talking about a few weeks here, so randomness is probably going to have a larger effect than anything else.
Let's take this over to Facebook so we can have this conversation simultaneously on three different websites.
I'll send you a request on LinkedIn and then I stole Pen's password for Yammer so let's do this.
Why not try Ashley Madison?
Come back healthy next year, you big beautiful man
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Come back healthy next year, you big beautiful man
I read Chuck's post as it was fact and done. Oi
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Come back healthy next year, you big beautiful man
I read Chuck's post as it was fact and done. Oi
You did that to yourself.
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Come back healthy next year, you big beautiful man
I read Chuck's post as it was fact and done. Oi
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SOLER BOMB
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Quote from: flannj on September 19, 2015, 01:42:34 PM
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That thing was still going up as it hit ten rows back. If the bleachers hadn't been in the way, it would have travelled about seven hundred feet on the fly.
Nice 1st game back for Jorge. Impressively draws a 1st inning walk, and then wheels around to score on Bryant's double to put the pressure on the opposition right away, and then the nut-punch homerun right on the heels of a frustrating offensive inning for St. Louis. It's as if he wanted to make sure we hadn't forgotten about him. Love it.
He truly is a beautiful man.
Mother fuckers act like they forgot about Jorge
Quote from: SKO on September 21, 2015, 09:42:10 PM
Mother fuckers act like they forgot about Jorge
But nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish.
Jorge-hey
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Jorge-hey
delete your account
Don't think I wouldn't make a fortune if I could be arsed to print/sell shirts.
Based on some of what I've seen outside Wrigley, your slogan isn't racist enough.
Which is worse - "Rizzo is my Nizzle" or "Kane Made Me Do It"? You can buy either.
Second half slashline: .279/.352/.446/.778
Last 30 games: .300/.366/.440/.806
Since August 1st (23 games, 20 starts): .292/.381/.472/.853 with 4 homers.
Quote from: SKO on September 22, 2015, 09:25:44 AM
Second half slashline: .279/.352/.446/.778
Last 30 games: .300/.366/.440/.806
Since August 1st (23 games, 20 starts): .292/.381/.472/.853 with 4 homers.
Walk rate rising, K rate falling.
Quote from: SKO on September 22, 2015, 09:25:44 AM
Second half slashline: .279/.352/.446/.778
Last 30 games: .300/.366/.440/.806
Since August 1st (23 games, 20 starts): .292/.381/.472/.853 with 4 homers.
That last line doesn't seem like it would be out of reach for him on a longer-term basis. I'd be very happy with that.
Quote from: Tonker on September 22, 2015, 10:47:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 22, 2015, 09:25:44 AM
Second half slashline: .279/.352/.446/.778
Last 30 games: .300/.366/.440/.806
Since August 1st (23 games, 20 starts): .292/.381/.472/.853 with 4 homers.
That last line doesn't seem like it would be out of reach for him on a longer-term basis. I'd be very happy with that.
I would hope anyone would be happy with that sort of line (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/willibi01.shtml).
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Quote from: Tonker on September 22, 2015, 10:47:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 22, 2015, 09:25:44 AM
Second half slashline: .279/.352/.446/.778
Last 30 games: .300/.366/.440/.806
Since August 1st (23 games, 20 starts): .292/.381/.472/.853 with 4 homers.
That last line doesn't seem like it would be out of reach for him on a longer-term basis. I'd be very happy with that.
I would hope anyone would be happy with that sort of line (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/willibi01.shtml).
My pants just got very snug in the front.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 22, 2015, 10:55:29 AM
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Quote from: SKO on September 22, 2015, 09:25:44 AM
Second half slashline: .279/.352/.446/.778
Last 30 games: .300/.366/.440/.806
Since August 1st (23 games, 20 starts): .292/.381/.472/.853 with 4 homers.
That last line doesn't seem like it would be out of reach for him on a longer-term basis. I'd be very happy with that.
I would hope anyone would be happy with that sort of line (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/willibi01.shtml).
My pants just got very snug in the front.
I told you to stop eating ribs for breakfast
Quote from: Slaky on September 22, 2015, 10:59:22 AM
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Quote from: ChuckD on September 22, 2015, 10:51:28 AM
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Quote from: SKO on September 22, 2015, 09:25:44 AM
Second half slashline: .279/.352/.446/.778
Last 30 games: .300/.366/.440/.806
Since August 1st (23 games, 20 starts): .292/.381/.472/.853 with 4 homers.
That last line doesn't seem like it would be out of reach for him on a longer-term basis. I'd be very happy with that.
I would hope anyone would be happy with that sort of line (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/willibi01.shtml).
My pants just got very snug in the front.
I told you to stop eating ribs for breakfast
Not everyone can keep leftovers in their facial hair.
Quote from: ChuckD on September 22, 2015, 10:51:28 AM
Quote from: Tonker on September 22, 2015, 10:47:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 22, 2015, 09:25:44 AM
Second half slashline: .279/.352/.446/.778
Last 30 games: .300/.366/.440/.806
Since August 1st (23 games, 20 starts): .292/.381/.472/.853 with 4 homers.
That last line doesn't seem like it would be out of reach for him on a longer-term basis. I'd be very happy with that.
I would hope anyone would be happy with that sort of line (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/willibi01.shtml).
I deliberately didn't use the word "career", but I'd think we could expect that from Soler for, say, 2017 through 2025.
Quote from: Tonker on September 22, 2015, 01:07:54 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 22, 2015, 10:51:28 AM
Quote from: Tonker on September 22, 2015, 10:47:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 22, 2015, 09:25:44 AM
Second half slashline: .279/.352/.446/.778
Last 30 games: .300/.366/.440/.806
Since August 1st (23 games, 20 starts): .292/.381/.472/.853 with 4 homers.
That last line doesn't seem like it would be out of reach for him on a longer-term basis. I'd be very happy with that.
I would hope anyone would be happy with that sort of line (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/willibi01.shtml).
I deliberately didn't use the word "career", but I'd think we could expect that from Soler for, say, 2017 through 2025.
As one who enjoyed watching the original Billy Williams, I would positive seeing another one here.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 22, 2015, 01:09:28 PM
Quote from: Tonker on September 22, 2015, 01:07:54 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 22, 2015, 10:51:28 AM
Quote from: Tonker on September 22, 2015, 10:47:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 22, 2015, 09:25:44 AM
Second half slashline: .279/.352/.446/.778
Last 30 games: .300/.366/.440/.806
Since August 1st (23 games, 20 starts): .292/.381/.472/.853 with 4 homers.
That last line doesn't seem like it would be out of reach for him on a longer-term basis. I'd be very happy with that.
I would hope anyone would be happy with that sort of line (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/willibi01.shtml).
I deliberately didn't use the word "career", but I'd think we could expect that from Soler for, say, 2017 through 2025.
As one who enjoyed watching the original Billy Williams, I would positive seeing another one here.
Careful out there on that limb, Mr. Controversial Statement.
Quote from: Bort on September 22, 2015, 02:20:02 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 22, 2015, 01:09:28 PM
Quote from: Tonker on September 22, 2015, 01:07:54 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on September 22, 2015, 10:51:28 AM
Quote from: Tonker on September 22, 2015, 10:47:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 22, 2015, 09:25:44 AM
Second half slashline: .279/.352/.446/.778
Last 30 games: .300/.366/.440/.806
Since August 1st (23 games, 20 starts): .292/.381/.472/.853 with 4 homers.
That last line doesn't seem like it would be out of reach for him on a longer-term basis. I'd be very happy with that.
I would hope anyone would be happy with that sort of line (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/willibi01.shtml).
I deliberately didn't use the word "career", but I'd think we could expect that from Soler for, say, 2017 through 2025.
As one who enjoyed watching the original Billy Williams, I would positive seeing another one here.
Careful out there on that limb, Mr. Controversial Statement.
Look, some takes are easy. Let me know when we get someone with comps that line up to Tim Hosley and we'll talk.
I was lucky enough to attend tonight's game, and even luckier that our group ended up with some passes to go onto the field during batting practice. We saw the Cubs final couple of groups and I now completely understand how a scout can fall in love with a player. The hitters were mostly just timing up pitches and taking what appeared nice, easy swings. The difference between Soler and everyone else was that he was taking these effortless cuts and just smashing line drives that were landing 10-15 rows up in the left field bleachers. I'm still a little hard just thinking about it.
Quote from: CT III on September 22, 2015, 11:22:05 PM
I was lucky enough to attend tonight's game, and even luckier that our group ended up with some passes to go onto the field during batting practice. We saw the Cubs final couple of groups and I now completely understand how a scout can fall in love with a player. The hitters were mostly just timing up pitches and taking what appeared nice, easy swings. The difference between Soler and everyone else was that he was taking these effortless cuts and just smashing line drives that were landing 10-15 rows up in the left field bleachers. I'm still a little hard just thinking about it.
Where'd ya sit? That fading Internet Star Kermit came by my seats for a few innings. If only Fork were there, too, we could've re-created the founding of Hockeenight.
Quote from: PANK! on September 23, 2015, 12:18:22 AM
Quote from: CT III on September 22, 2015, 11:22:05 PM
I was lucky enough to attend tonight's game, and even luckier that our group ended up with some passes to go onto the field during batting practice. We saw the Cubs final couple of groups and I now completely understand how a scout can fall in love with a player. The hitters were mostly just timing up pitches and taking what appeared nice, easy swings. The difference between Soler and everyone else was that he was taking these effortless cuts and just smashing line drives that were landing 10-15 rows up in the left field bleachers. I'm still a little hard just thinking about it.
Where'd ya sit? That fading Internet Star Kermit came by my seats for a few innings. If only Fork were there, too, we could've re-created the founding of Hockeenight.
Would have been hard to find a couple of monkeys jacking off to make it a truly authentic re-enactment.
Quote from: Slaky on September 23, 2015, 07:24:17 AM
Quote from: PANK! on September 23, 2015, 12:18:22 AM
Quote from: CT III on September 22, 2015, 11:22:05 PM
I was lucky enough to attend tonight's game, and even luckier that our group ended up with some passes to go onto the field during batting practice. We saw the Cubs final couple of groups and I now completely understand how a scout can fall in love with a player. The hitters were mostly just timing up pitches and taking what appeared nice, easy swings. The difference between Soler and everyone else was that he was taking these effortless cuts and just smashing line drives that were landing 10-15 rows up in the left field bleachers. I'm still a little hard just thinking about it.
Where'd ya sit? That fading Internet Star Kermit came by my seats for a few innings. If only Fork were there, too, we could've re-created the founding of Hockeenight.
Would have been hard to find a couple of monkeys jacking off to make it a truly authentic re-enactment.
+1
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Quote from: CT III on September 22, 2015, 11:22:05 PM
I was lucky enough to attend tonight's game, and even luckier that our group ended up with some passes to go onto the field during batting practice. We saw the Cubs final couple of groups and I now completely understand how a scout can fall in love with a player. The hitters were mostly just timing up pitches and taking what appeared nice, easy swings. The difference between Soler and everyone else was that he was taking these effortless cuts and just smashing line drives that were landing 10-15 rows up in the left field bleachers. I'm still a little hard just thinking about it.
Where'd ya sit? That fading Internet Star Kermit came by my seats for a few innings. If only Fork were there, too, we could've re-created the founding of Hockeenight.
Section 127, on the first base line towards the home plate end of the visitors dugout.
Not sure you can really re-create the founding of Hockeenight without having Bobby Howry there to pee all over himself on the mound though.
Quote from: CT III on September 23, 2015, 09:08:39 AM
Quote from: PANK! on September 23, 2015, 12:18:22 AM
Quote from: CT III on September 22, 2015, 11:22:05 PM
I was lucky enough to attend tonight's game, and even luckier that our group ended up with some passes to go onto the field during batting practice. We saw the Cubs final couple of groups and I now completely understand how a scout can fall in love with a player. The hitters were mostly just timing up pitches and taking what appeared nice, easy swings. The difference between Soler and everyone else was that he was taking these effortless cuts and just smashing line drives that were landing 10-15 rows up in the left field bleachers. I'm still a little hard just thinking about it.
Where'd ya sit? That fading Internet Star Kermit came by my seats for a few innings. If only Fork were there, too, we could've re-created the founding of Hockeenight.
Section 127, on the first base line towards the home plate end of the visitors dugout.
Not sure you can really re-create the founding of Hockeenight without having Bobby Howry there to pee all over himself on the mound though.
And then being attacked by a dudebro in cargo shorts and a Cubs home jersey.
Quote from: PANK! on September 23, 2015, 09:15:53 AM
Quote from: CT III on September 23, 2015, 09:08:39 AM
Quote from: PANK! on September 23, 2015, 12:18:22 AM
Quote from: CT III on September 22, 2015, 11:22:05 PM
I was lucky enough to attend tonight's game, and even luckier that our group ended up with some passes to go onto the field during batting practice. We saw the Cubs final couple of groups and I now completely understand how a scout can fall in love with a player. The hitters were mostly just timing up pitches and taking what appeared nice, easy swings. The difference between Soler and everyone else was that he was taking these effortless cuts and just smashing line drives that were landing 10-15 rows up in the left field bleachers. I'm still a little hard just thinking about it.
Where'd ya sit? That fading Internet Star Kermit came by my seats for a few innings. If only Fork were there, too, we could've re-created the founding of Hockeenight.
Section 127, on the first base line towards the home plate end of the visitors dugout.
Not sure you can really re-create the founding of Hockeenight without having Bobby Howry there to pee all over himself on the mound though.
And then being attacked by a dudebro in cargo shorts and a Cubs home jersey.
Some of the best times I've ever had at a ballgame have been with you assholes.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 23, 2015, 09:51:59 AM
Quote from: PANK! on September 23, 2015, 09:15:53 AM
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Quote from: CT III on September 22, 2015, 11:22:05 PM
I was lucky enough to attend tonight's game, and even luckier that our group ended up with some passes to go onto the field during batting practice. We saw the Cubs final couple of groups and I now completely understand how a scout can fall in love with a player. The hitters were mostly just timing up pitches and taking what appeared nice, easy swings. The difference between Soler and everyone else was that he was taking these effortless cuts and just smashing line drives that were landing 10-15 rows up in the left field bleachers. I'm still a little hard just thinking about it.
Where'd ya sit? That fading Internet Star Kermit came by my seats for a few innings. If only Fork were there, too, we could've re-created the founding of Hockeenight.
Section 127, on the first base line towards the home plate end of the visitors dugout.
Not sure you can really re-create the founding of Hockeenight without having Bobby Howry there to pee all over himself on the mound though.
And then being attacked by a dudebro in cargo shorts and a Cubs home jersey.
Some of the best times I've ever had at a ballgame have been with you assholes.
#1 on the list, though, would have to be the makeup game in September 2007, when we cheered on a golden sombrero for Ankiel and alienated another Desipiot's seatneighbors
Quote from: PANK! on September 23, 2015, 10:06:22 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 23, 2015, 09:51:59 AM
Quote from: PANK! on September 23, 2015, 09:15:53 AM
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Quote from: CT III on September 22, 2015, 11:22:05 PM
I was lucky enough to attend tonight's game, and even luckier that our group ended up with some passes to go onto the field during batting practice. We saw the Cubs final couple of groups and I now completely understand how a scout can fall in love with a player. The hitters were mostly just timing up pitches and taking what appeared nice, easy swings. The difference between Soler and everyone else was that he was taking these effortless cuts and just smashing line drives that were landing 10-15 rows up in the left field bleachers. I'm still a little hard just thinking about it.
Where'd ya sit? That fading Internet Star Kermit came by my seats for a few innings. If only Fork were there, too, we could've re-created the founding of Hockeenight.
Section 127, on the first base line towards the home plate end of the visitors dugout.
Not sure you can really re-create the founding of Hockeenight without having Bobby Howry there to pee all over himself on the mound though.
And then being attacked by a dudebro in cargo shorts and a Cubs home jersey.
Some of the best times I've ever had at a ballgame have been with you assholes.
#1 on the list, though, would have to be the makeup game in September 2007, when we cheered on a golden sombrero for Ankiel and alienated another Desipiot's seatneighbors
And trolled the shit out of Viva El Birdos without even touching a computer.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on September 23, 2015, 10:23:51 AM
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Quote from: CT III on September 22, 2015, 11:22:05 PM
I was lucky enough to attend tonight's game, and even luckier that our group ended up with some passes to go onto the field during batting practice. We saw the Cubs final couple of groups and I now completely understand how a scout can fall in love with a player. The hitters were mostly just timing up pitches and taking what appeared nice, easy swings. The difference between Soler and everyone else was that he was taking these effortless cuts and just smashing line drives that were landing 10-15 rows up in the left field bleachers. I'm still a little hard just thinking about it.
Where'd ya sit? That fading Internet Star Kermit came by my seats for a few innings. If only Fork were there, too, we could've re-created the founding of Hockeenight.
Section 127, on the first base line towards the home plate end of the visitors dugout.
Not sure you can really re-create the founding of Hockeenight without having Bobby Howry there to pee all over himself on the mound though.
And then being attacked by a dudebro in cargo shorts and a Cubs home jersey.
Some of the best times I've ever had at a ballgame have been with you assholes.
#1 on the list, though, would have to be the makeup game in September 2007, when we cheered on a golden sombrero for Ankiel and alienated another Desipiot's seatneighbors
And trolled the shit out of Viva El Birdos without even touching a computer.
And punched out Steve Garvey at Sluggers afterward.
Power hitting Jorge has come to haunt your fucking nightmares, NL playoff contenders
How the fuck have we not bumped this yet? Jorge is god. MLB record for most times reaching base to start a playoff career
Maybe it'd be cheaper to just keep replacing shower curtains.
Quote from: Eli on August 29, 2014, 10:22:36 PM
It'd probably be cheaper to just get a washable plastic shower liner, guys.
I knew you'd made the same joke before.
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Quote from: BH on February 25, 2013, 09:43:46 AM
He seems different, in that he isn't striking out on 4 pitches every at bat.. and you'd have to think the minor league instructors will have a plan for the first time in forever.. I'm not sure what to think, it's an odd feeling. Baez, Soler, vizcaino, vogelbach all seem like legit prospects. And we have the #2 pick in the draft. What a time to be alive.
Don't forget Almora. He's going to be a fucking beast. I still wouldn't cash out on Brett Jackson or Josh Vitters just yet either.
This is very disconcerting.
Kris Bryant mended so many broken hearts.
Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2015, 09:43:28 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 29, 2014, 10:22:36 PM
It'd probably be cheaper to just get a washable plastic shower liner, guys.
I knew you'd made the same joke before.
The joke doesn't even make sense.
Zero Percent Financing, Eli!
Considering inflation, it's like Jorge is paying
us to thud on our shower doors.
Quote from: ChuckD on October 13, 2015, 10:01:43 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2015, 09:43:28 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 29, 2014, 10:22:36 PM
It'd probably be cheaper to just get a washable plastic shower liner, guys.
I knew you'd made the same joke before.
The joke doesn't even make sense.
Zero Percent Financing, Eli!
Considering inflation, it's like Jorge is paying us to thud on our shower doors.
So, 0% on a DreamLine Enigma-X 56-in to 60-in W x 76-in H Frameless Sliding Shower Door for $924.11 is cheaper than a Hookless EVA/PEVA Frosty White Solid Shower Liner for $11.98 even at 21.99% APR credit card rates?
The financing isn't the whole cost, kids.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on February 25, 2013, 10:03:16 AM
Don't forget Almora. He's going to be a fucking beast. I still wouldn't cash out on Brett Jackson or Josh Vitters just yet either.
This is very disconcerting.
Fork is literally the very, very worst scout ever.
Quote from: Tonker on October 13, 2015, 10:23:39 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on February 25, 2013, 10:03:16 AM
Don't forget Almora. He's going to be a fucking beast. I still wouldn't cash out on Brett Jackson or Josh Vitters just yet either.
This is very disconcerting.
Fork is literally the very, very worst scout ever.
The Cubs being awesome is far more important than me being right.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 13, 2015, 10:32:45 AM
Quote from: Tonker on October 13, 2015, 10:23:39 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on February 25, 2013, 10:03:16 AM
Don't forget Almora. He's going to be a fucking beast. I still wouldn't cash out on Brett Jackson or Josh Vitters just yet either.
This is very disconcerting.
Fork is literally the very, very worst scout ever.
The Cubs being awesome is far more important than me being right.
So you're not Al Yellon then?
Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2015, 09:43:28 AM
Quote from: Eli on August 29, 2014, 10:22:36 PM
It'd probably be cheaper to just get a washable plastic shower liner, guys.
I knew you'd made the same joke before.
A joke that hilarious deserves to be told more than once a year.
Quote from: CT III on October 13, 2015, 10:36:35 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 13, 2015, 10:32:45 AM
Quote from: Tonker on October 13, 2015, 10:23:39 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on February 25, 2013, 10:03:16 AM
Don't forget Almora. He's going to be a fucking beast. I still wouldn't cash out on Brett Jackson or Josh Vitters just yet either.
This is very disconcerting.
Fork is literally the very, very worst scout ever.
The Cubs being awesome is far more important than me being right.
So you're not Al Yellon then?
Or Vlahos
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 13, 2015, 10:41:21 AM
Quote from: CT III on October 13, 2015, 10:36:35 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 13, 2015, 10:32:45 AM
Quote from: Tonker on October 13, 2015, 10:23:39 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on February 25, 2013, 10:03:16 AM
Don't forget Almora. He's going to be a fucking beast. I still wouldn't cash out on Brett Jackson or Josh Vitters just yet either.
This is very disconcerting.
Fork is literally the very, very worst scout ever.
The Cubs being awesome is far more important than me being right.
So you're not Al Yellon then?
Or Vlahos
Seriously, that prick's only baseball related tweet since the playoffs began was to retweet an article about why players get better once they join the Cardinals.
Goff and Spiegel had a good bit this morning re-listening to Mike Shannon's call of Soler's (pronounced "Sole Are") homerun off Waino. You could feel the exact moment his fat-and-booze-coated heart broke (and the fact that he can't even be bothered to pronounce his fucking name the right way, considering how much Jorge has battered his team, makes it extra special)
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on October 13, 2015, 10:41:21 AM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 13, 2015, 10:32:45 AM
Quote from: Tonker on October 13, 2015, 10:23:39 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on February 25, 2013, 10:03:16 AM
Don't forget Almora. He's going to be a fucking beast. I still wouldn't cash out on Brett Jackson or Josh Vitters just yet either.
This is very disconcerting.
Fork is literally the very, very worst scout ever.
The Cubs being awesome is far more important than me being right.
So you're not Al Yellon then?
Or Vlahos
Nobody's right 100% of the time, and it's not like my mortgage payments depend on any of it.
It's why I write up the NHL draft the day it happens, and never second guess picks...it's also why I always offer the disclaimer that I thought Kyle Turris is who the Chicago Blackhawks should have taken in the 2007 draft.
Quote from: PANK! on October 13, 2015, 11:12:55 AM
Goff and Spiegel had a good bit this morning re-listening to Mike Shannon's call of Soler's (pronounced "Sole Are") homerun off Waino. You could feel the exact moment his fat-and-booze-coated heart broke (and the fact that he can't even be bothered to pronounce his fucking name the right way, considering how much Jorge has battered his team, makes it extra special)
Someone on the TBS crew (Eck?) was calling him that last night, too.
Quote from: PANK! on October 13, 2015, 11:12:55 AM
Goff and Spiegel had a good bit this morning re-listening to Mike Shannon's call of Soler's (pronounced "Sole Are") homerun off Waino. You could feel the exact moment his fat-and-booze-coated heart broke (and the fact that he can't even be bothered to pronounce his fucking name the right way, considering how much Jorge has battered his team, makes it extra special)
My favorite is the Cardinals fans and Matheny complaining about the fucking wind. How the fuck do you complain about a weather condition that affects both teams? Also, the wind was blowing out to right, and Soler, Schwarber, and Bryant all crushed it to left. If the weather conditions were normal the only difference in that game is that Schwarber's clears the basket.
Quote from: SKO on October 13, 2015, 11:57:56 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 13, 2015, 11:12:55 AM
Goff and Spiegel had a good bit this morning re-listening to Mike Shannon's call of Soler's (pronounced "Sole Are") homerun off Waino. You could feel the exact moment his fat-and-booze-coated heart broke (and the fact that he can't even be bothered to pronounce his fucking name the right way, considering how much Jorge has battered his team, makes it extra special)
My favorite is the Cardinals fans and Matheny complaining about the fucking wind. How the fuck do you complain about a weather condition that affects both teams? Also, the wind was blowing out to right, and Soler, Schwarber, and Bryant all crushed it to left. If the weather conditions were normal the only difference in that game is that Schwarber's clears the basket.
I feel like Armchair_QB could find a way.
Another Cardinal-killing homer from Horgay Solar would be the balls.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on October 13, 2015, 01:35:58 PM
Another Cardinal-killing homer from Horgay Solar would be the balls.
Kyle Swarber, too. Or that Kyle Swabber guy. Or maybe Kyle Shwabber.
They retired Soler. We're fucked
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 13, 2015, 11:32:34 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 13, 2015, 11:12:55 AM
Goff and Spiegel had a good bit this morning re-listening to Mike Shannon's call of Soler's (pronounced "Sole Are") homerun off Waino. You could feel the exact moment his fat-and-booze-coated heart broke (and the fact that he can't even be bothered to pronounce his fucking name the right way, considering how much Jorge has battered his team, makes it extra special)
Someone on the TBS crew (Eck?) was calling him that last night, too.
In the April series against the Rockies, their play-by-play guy called him "Solar," as in energy, for an entire game.
His arm did it today. He's a Cardinal slayer.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 13, 2015, 08:00:18 PM
His arm did it today. He's a Cardinal slayer.
What a ride it's been for George Sun. The way he burst on the scene last September--particularly against the Cardinals. And that month is followed by his inconsistent play and health through the early cold, days of this year. He showed flashes, but never seemed to get on any kind of a roll like he was last year, leaving us to wonder what we had.
And then this fucking series, where I think he made it clear that as long as he's healthy we probaly don't have to worry about much at all. I mean, that throw was from DEEP right field. This guy.
Quote from: PANK! on October 14, 2015, 06:19:26 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 13, 2015, 08:00:18 PM
His arm did it today. He's a Cardinal slayer.
What a ride it's been for George Sun. The way he burst on the scene last September--particularly against the Cardinals. And that month is followed by his inconsistent play and health through the early cold, days of this year. He showed flashes, but never seemed to get on any kind of a roll like he was last year, leaving us to wonder what we had.
And then this fucking series, where I think he made it clear that as long as he's healthy we probaly don't have to worry about much at all. I mean, that throw was from DEEP right field. This guy.
Since he's come back from the DL he looks like he's put it all together. He's more patient, his swing is less upper-cut like and is generating more power, and as Fangraphs pointed out, this series especially he's stopped chasing bad pitches and he's been driving breaking balls. If he can sustain that, look out.
Quote from: SKO on October 14, 2015, 07:21:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 14, 2015, 06:19:26 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 13, 2015, 08:00:18 PM
His arm did it today. He's a Cardinal slayer.
What a ride it's been for George Sun. The way he burst on the scene last September--particularly against the Cardinals. And that month is followed by his inconsistent play and health through the early cold, days of this year. He showed flashes, but never seemed to get on any kind of a roll like he was last year, leaving us to wonder what we had.
And then this fucking series, where I think he made it clear that as long as he's healthy we probaly don't have to worry about much at all. I mean, that throw was from DEEP right field. This guy.
Since he's come back from the DL he looks like he's put it all together. He's more patient, his swing is less upper-cut like and is generating more power, and as Fangraphs pointed out, this series especially he's stopped chasing bad pitches and he's been driving breaking balls. If he can sustain that, look out.
His patience has really impressed me. It's just one of those things - when you have THIS much talent - it's almost impossible that all of them will slump at the same time. Did he win DS MVP or is that not a real award?
Quote from: Slaky on October 14, 2015, 07:33:51 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 14, 2015, 07:21:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 14, 2015, 06:19:26 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 13, 2015, 08:00:18 PM
His arm did it today. He's a Cardinal slayer.
What a ride it's been for George Sun. The way he burst on the scene last September--particularly against the Cardinals. And that month is followed by his inconsistent play and health through the early cold, days of this year. He showed flashes, but never seemed to get on any kind of a roll like he was last year, leaving us to wonder what we had.
And then this fucking series, where I think he made it clear that as long as he's healthy we probaly don't have to worry about much at all. I mean, that throw was from DEEP right field. This guy.
Since he's come back from the DL he looks like he's put it all together. He's more patient, his swing is less upper-cut like and is generating more power, and as Fangraphs pointed out, this series especially he's stopped chasing bad pitches and he's been driving breaking balls. If he can sustain that, look out.
His patience has really impressed me. It's just one of those things - when you have THIS much talent - it's almost impossible that all of them will slump at the same time. Did he win DS MVP or is that not a real award?
It's not a real award, but the guys from NSBB are sending him a t-shirt and a plaque and Wendy's gift certificates.
Quote from: SKO on October 14, 2015, 07:34:51 AM
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Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 13, 2015, 08:00:18 PM
His arm did it today. He's a Cardinal slayer.
What a ride it's been for George Sun. The way he burst on the scene last September--particularly against the Cardinals. And that month is followed by his inconsistent play and health through the early cold, days of this year. He showed flashes, but never seemed to get on any kind of a roll like he was last year, leaving us to wonder what we had.
And then this fucking series, where I think he made it clear that as long as he's healthy we probaly don't have to worry about much at all. I mean, that throw was from DEEP right field. This guy.
Since he's come back from the DL he looks like he's put it all together. He's more patient, his swing is less upper-cut like and is generating more power, and as Fangraphs pointed out, this series especially he's stopped chasing bad pitches and he's been driving breaking balls. If he can sustain that, look out.
His patience has really impressed me. It's just one of those things - when you have THIS much talent - it's almost impossible that all of them will slump at the same time. Did he win DS MVP or is that not a real award?
It's not a real award, but the guys from NSBB are sending him a t-shirt and a plaque and Wendy's gift certificates.
Holy shit I forgot about NSBB. Is that still a thing?
Quote from: SKO on October 14, 2015, 07:34:51 AM
Quote from: Slaky on October 14, 2015, 07:33:51 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 14, 2015, 07:21:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 14, 2015, 06:19:26 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on October 13, 2015, 08:00:18 PM
His arm did it today. He's a Cardinal slayer.
What a ride it's been for George Sun. The way he burst on the scene last September--particularly against the Cardinals. And that month is followed by his inconsistent play and health through the early cold, days of this year. He showed flashes, but never seemed to get on any kind of a roll like he was last year, leaving us to wonder what we had.
And then this fucking series, where I think he made it clear that as long as he's healthy we probaly don't have to worry about much at all. I mean, that throw was from DEEP right field. This guy.
Since he's come back from the DL he looks like he's put it all together. He's more patient, his swing is less upper-cut like and is generating more power, and as Fangraphs pointed out, this series especially he's stopped chasing bad pitches and he's been driving breaking balls. If he can sustain that, look out.
His patience has really impressed me. It's just one of those things - when you have THIS much talent - it's almost impossible that all of them will slump at the same time. Did he win DS MVP or is that not a real award?
It's not a real award, but the guys from NSBB are sending him a t-shirt and a plaque and Wendy's gift certificates.
+1 LSA
And what a sharp looking t-shirt it is.
(http://s11.postimg.org/6jnk3pr1v/Capture.jpg)
Quote from: D. Doluntap on October 14, 2015, 10:32:45 AM
And what a sharp looking t-shirt it is.
(http://s11.postimg.org/6jnk3pr1v/Capture.jpg)
Francis Beltran is a name I haven't thought of in at least 10 years and will probably never think of again.
Quote from: ChuckD on October 14, 2015, 10:47:35 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on October 14, 2015, 10:32:45 AM
And what a sharp looking t-shirt it is.
(http://s11.postimg.org/6jnk3pr1v/Capture.jpg)
Francis Beltran is a name I haven't thought of in at least 10 years and will probably never think of again.
Matt Fucking Clement
Kent Twatting Mercker
Mike Cunting Remlinger
LaTroy LaTroying Hawkins
Jesus wept.
Quote from: Tonker on October 14, 2015, 10:56:04 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 14, 2015, 10:47:35 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on October 14, 2015, 10:32:45 AM
And what a sharp looking t-shirt it is.
(http://s11.postimg.org/6jnk3pr1v/Capture.jpg)
Francis Beltran is a name I haven't thought of in at least 10 years and will probably never think of again.
Matt Fucking Clement
Kent Twatting Mercker
Mike Cunting Remlinger
LaTroy LaTroying Hawkins
Jesus wept.
GET OUT. GET OUT OF HERE WITH THIS GARBAGE. The 2004 Cubs are the last fucking thing I want on my mind today. Get them out of Jorge's glorious thread.
Quote from: SKO on October 14, 2015, 10:57:00 AM
Quote from: Tonker on October 14, 2015, 10:56:04 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 14, 2015, 10:47:35 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on October 14, 2015, 10:32:45 AM
And what a sharp looking t-shirt it is.
(http://s11.postimg.org/6jnk3pr1v/Capture.jpg)
Francis Beltran is a name I haven't thought of in at least 10 years and will probably never think of again.
Matt Fucking Clement
Kent Twatting Mercker
Mike Cunting Remlinger
LaTroy LaTroying Hawkins
Jesus wept.
GET OUT. GET OUT OF HERE WITH THIS GARBAGE. The 2004 Cubs are the last fucking thing I want on my mind today. Get them out of Jorge's glorious thread.
That's exactly how I felt the very minute I saw Kent Mercker's name.
Quote from: PANK! on October 14, 2015, 11:02:00 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 14, 2015, 10:57:00 AM
Quote from: Tonker on October 14, 2015, 10:56:04 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 14, 2015, 10:47:35 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on October 14, 2015, 10:32:45 AM
And what a sharp looking t-shirt it is.
(http://s11.postimg.org/6jnk3pr1v/Capture.jpg)
Francis Beltran is a name I haven't thought of in at least 10 years and will probably never think of again.
Matt Fucking Clement
Kent Twatting Mercker
Mike Cunting Remlinger
LaTroy LaTroying Hawkins
Jesus wept.
GET OUT. GET OUT OF HERE WITH THIS GARBAGE. The 2004 Cubs are the last fucking thing I want on my mind today. Get them out of Jorge's glorious thread.
That's exactly how I felt the very minute I saw Kent Mercker's name.
Who?
Quote from: Eli on October 14, 2015, 11:46:12 AM
Quote from: PANK! on October 14, 2015, 11:02:00 AM
Quote from: SKO on October 14, 2015, 10:57:00 AM
Quote from: Tonker on October 14, 2015, 10:56:04 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on October 14, 2015, 10:47:35 AM
Quote from: D. Doluntap on October 14, 2015, 10:32:45 AM
And what a sharp looking t-shirt it is.
(http://s11.postimg.org/6jnk3pr1v/Capture.jpg)
Francis Beltran is a name I haven't thought of in at least 10 years and will probably never think of again.
Matt Fucking Clement
Kent Twatting Mercker
Mike Cunting Remlinger
LaTroy LaTroying Hawkins
Jesus wept.
GET OUT. GET OUT OF HERE WITH THIS GARBAGE. The 2004 Cubs are the last fucking thing I want on my mind today. Get them out of Jorge's glorious thread.
That's exactly how I felt the very minute I saw Kent Mercker's name.
Who the fuck is Kent Mercker?
Specified'd.
This is no longer blocked behind the Fangraphs + paywall so here's a nice article (http://www.fangraphs.com/plus/why-the-cubs-shouldnt-trade-jorge-soler/) on those of us who are on the "don't trade Jorge" bandwagon:
QuoteSo Soler, just by doing what he's done so far, is very likely to be a regular, better than a coin flip to be an average major leaguer, and still has a one in five chance of being a star. Those rates compare favorably to a top ten prospect who has been unsullied by major league time. Recent research suggests that top ten position player prospects have a 53% chance of being regulars, and a 35% chance of being superior.
Quote from: SKO on March 10, 2016, 09:09:33 AM
This is no longer blocked behind the Fangraphs + paywall so here's a nice article (http://www.fangraphs.com/plus/why-the-cubs-shouldnt-trade-jorge-soler/) on those of us who are on the "don't trade Jorge" bandwagon:
QuoteSo Soler, just by doing what he's done so far, is very likely to be a regular, better than a coin flip to be an average major leaguer, and still has a one in five chance of being a star. Those rates compare favorably to a top ten prospect who has been unsullied by major league time. Recent research suggests that top ten position player prospects have a 53% chance of being regulars, and a 35% chance of being superior.
Apropos of nothing, but from the article:
QuoteThe aging curve we created to try and show how up-the-middle players aged compared to pull-happy players didn't show what Votto thought it might. It looks like pull-happy players might even age a little better than the alternative. But there was an unexpected quirk! Young up-the-middle players surged forward and improved mightily until they hit 25 years old.
That bolded sentence, why is this a thing that so many baseball writers do now? I see it all over the place! It's very jarring.
Quote from: Eli on March 10, 2016, 09:41:48 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 10, 2016, 09:09:33 AM
This is no longer blocked behind the Fangraphs + paywall so here's a nice article (http://www.fangraphs.com/plus/why-the-cubs-shouldnt-trade-jorge-soler/) on those of us who are on the "don't trade Jorge" bandwagon:
QuoteSo Soler, just by doing what he's done so far, is very likely to be a regular, better than a coin flip to be an average major leaguer, and still has a one in five chance of being a star. Those rates compare favorably to a top ten prospect who has been unsullied by major league time. Recent research suggests that top ten position player prospects have a 53% chance of being regulars, and a 35% chance of being superior.
Apropos of nothing, but from the article:
QuoteThe aging curve we created to try and show how up-the-middle players aged compared to pull-happy players didn't show what Votto thought it might. It looks like pull-happy players might even age a little better than the alternative. But there was an unexpected quirk! Young up-the-middle players surged forward and improved mightily until they hit 25 years old.
That bolded sentence, why is this a thing that so many baseball writers do now? I see it all over the place! It's very jarring.
I guess you gotta do something to spice up the number crunching. Insert random exclamation!
Fucking crushed that last one. Soler's looking really good the last few days.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on April 16, 2016, 02:56:36 PM
Fucking crushed that last one. Soler's looking really good the last few days.
Could be a good way to honor Kyle's memory all season long.
This week would be a good time for him to further solidify his status as a Cardinal Killer (.986 regular season OPS to go along with his 2.341 postseason)
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 18, 2016, 09:15:49 AM
This week would be a good time for him to further solidify his status as a Cardinal Killer (.986 regular season OPS to go along with his 2.341 postseason)
Anything less than Vlad Guerrero will just disappoint SKO.
Quote from: PANK! on April 18, 2016, 09:48:25 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 18, 2016, 09:15:49 AM
This week would be a good time for him to further solidify his status as a Cardinal Killer (.986 regular season OPS to go along with his 2.341 postseason)
Anything less than Vlad Guerrero will just disappoint SKO.
Vlad's career OPS against STL was .865, so as long as Jorge keeps it up we'll be good here.
Quote from: SKO on April 18, 2016, 10:03:28 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 18, 2016, 09:48:25 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 18, 2016, 09:15:49 AM
This week would be a good time for him to further solidify his status as a Cardinal Killer (.986 regular season OPS to go along with his 2.341 postseason)
Anything less than Vlad Guerrero will just disappoint SKO.
Vlad's career OPS against STL was .865, so as long as Jorge keeps it up we'll be good here.
Your misdirection play of not taking my butthurt bait has me all discombobulated.
Quote from: PANK! on April 18, 2016, 10:23:08 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 18, 2016, 10:03:28 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 18, 2016, 09:48:25 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 18, 2016, 09:15:49 AM
This week would be a good time for him to further solidify his status as a Cardinal Killer (.986 regular season OPS to go along with his 2.341 postseason)
Anything less than Vlad Guerrero will just disappoint SKO.
Vlad's career OPS against STL was .865, so as long as Jorge keeps it up we'll be good here.
Your misdirection play of not taking my butthurt bait has me all discombobulated.
Of all of the memes I've had foisted on me, "said Jorge Soler has to be Vladimir Guerrero" is not one I'm going to bother getting butthurt about. Mostly because I'm young and dumb enough to think Jorge could still do that. As long as he lays off the sliders down and away the sky is the limit for George.
Quote from: SKO on April 18, 2016, 10:25:45 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 18, 2016, 10:23:08 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 18, 2016, 10:03:28 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 18, 2016, 09:48:25 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 18, 2016, 09:15:49 AM
This week would be a good time for him to further solidify his status as a Cardinal Killer (.986 regular season OPS to go along with his 2.341 postseason)
Anything less than Vlad Guerrero will just disappoint SKO.
Vlad's career OPS against STL was .865, so as long as Jorge keeps it up we'll be good here.
Your misdirection play of not taking my butthurt bait has me all discombobulated.
Of all of the memes I've had foisted on me, "said Jorge Soler has to be Vladimir Guerrero" is not one I'm going to bother getting butthurt about. Mostly because I'm young and dumb enough to think Jorge could still do that. As long as he lays off the sliders down and away the sky is the limit for George.
I'd like to see some data on how he's doing with that. His at bats seem greatly improved since the first couple of games. I hope I'm right. Fung with sample sizes and shit but he's only got one K in his last 20 PAs. I like stuff.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 18, 2016, 11:09:39 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 18, 2016, 10:25:45 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 18, 2016, 10:23:08 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 18, 2016, 10:03:28 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 18, 2016, 09:48:25 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 18, 2016, 09:15:49 AM
This week would be a good time for him to further solidify his status as a Cardinal Killer (.986 regular season OPS to go along with his 2.341 postseason)
Anything less than Vlad Guerrero will just disappoint SKO.
Vlad's career OPS against STL was .865, so as long as Jorge keeps it up we'll be good here.
Your misdirection play of not taking my butthurt bait has me all discombobulated.
Of all of the memes I've had foisted on me, "said Jorge Soler has to be Vladimir Guerrero" is not one I'm going to bother getting butthurt about. Mostly because I'm young and dumb enough to think Jorge could still do that. As long as he lays off the sliders down and away the sky is the limit for George.
I'd like to see some data on how he's doing with that. His at bats seem greatly improved since the first couple of games. I hope I'm right. Fung with sample sizes and shit but he's only got one K in his last 20 PAs. I like stuff.
Seems to me that he's still prone to hack away at that shit early in the at-bat, but manages to battle back, Kris Bryant-style.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 18, 2016, 11:09:39 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 18, 2016, 10:25:45 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 18, 2016, 10:23:08 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 18, 2016, 10:03:28 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 18, 2016, 09:48:25 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 18, 2016, 09:15:49 AM
This week would be a good time for him to further solidify his status as a Cardinal Killer (.986 regular season OPS to go along with his 2.341 postseason)
Anything less than Vlad Guerrero will just disappoint SKO.
Vlad's career OPS against STL was .865, so as long as Jorge keeps it up we'll be good here.
Your misdirection play of not taking my butthurt bait has me all discombobulated.
Of all of the memes I've had foisted on me, "said Jorge Soler has to be Vladimir Guerrero" is not one I'm going to bother getting butthurt about. Mostly because I'm young and dumb enough to think Jorge could still do that. As long as he lays off the sliders down and away the sky is the limit for George.
I'd like to see some data on how he's doing with that. His at bats seem greatly improved since the first couple of games. I hope I'm right. Fung with sample sizes and shit but he's only got one K in his last 20 PAs. I like stuff.
Well in his last six games he's struck out once, with four walks, and a 1.071 OPS. His BABIP is only .308 in that time, which is actually kind of low for him so based on this 100% authoritative 20 PA sample size I declare that Jorge is now the unstoppable monster we have always dreamed he'd become.
Per fangraphs he's actually chasing more pitches outside the zone this year than last year, but he's making more contact overall, so in true Vlad Guerrero fashion it seems he's not necessarily being more discerning so much as he is just getting better at hitting whatever he swings at.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 18, 2016, 11:09:39 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 18, 2016, 10:25:45 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 18, 2016, 10:23:08 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 18, 2016, 10:03:28 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 18, 2016, 09:48:25 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 18, 2016, 09:15:49 AM
This week would be a good time for him to further solidify his status as a Cardinal Killer (.986 regular season OPS to go along with his 2.341 postseason)
Anything less than Vlad Guerrero will just disappoint SKO.
Vlad's career OPS against STL was .865, so as long as Jorge keeps it up we'll be good here.
Your misdirection play of not taking my butthurt bait has me all discombobulated.
Of all of the memes I've had foisted on me, "said Jorge Soler has to be Vladimir Guerrero" is not one I'm going to bother getting butthurt about. Mostly because I'm young and dumb enough to think Jorge could still do that. As long as he lays off the sliders down and away the sky is the limit for George.
I'd like to see some data on how he's doing with that. His at bats seem greatly improved since the first couple of games. I hope I'm right. Fung with sample sizes and shit but he's only got one K in his last 20 PAs. I like stuff.
Cutting down that K rate would be the single biggest thing he could do to fulfill some of those star-level projections (assuming he can make a similar quality of contact). 25% is probably the area where he's a consistently useful player. Down around 20% would be bonertime.
That grounder Soler hit in the 7th was off the bat at 115 mph. If he could consistently get some air under that...look out for errant boners.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 18, 2016, 08:47:12 PM
That grounder Soler hit in the 7th was off the bat at 115 mph. If he could consistently get some air under that...look out for errant boners.
Also his line out to CF was hit on the screws. It reached The CF in like a second and a half.
Few things are more enjoyable than Soler's Frozen Ropes, my goodness.
Quote from: PANK! on April 18, 2016, 09:28:00 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 18, 2016, 08:47:12 PM
That grounder Soler hit in the 7th was off the bat at 115 mph. If he could consistently get some air under that...look out for errant boners.
Also his line out to CF was hit in the screws. It reached The CF in like a second and a half.
Few things are more enjoyable than Soler's Frozen Ropes, my goodness.
Yeah in my book the man hit an RBI double. If you hit the ball 115 mph you absolutely deserve to end up with 2 bags after the shortstop shits himself.
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 07:21:08 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 18, 2016, 09:28:00 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 18, 2016, 08:47:12 PM
That grounder Soler hit in the 7th was off the bat at 115 mph. If he could consistently get some air under that...look out for errant boners.
Also his line out to CF was hit in the screws. It reached The CF in like a second and a half.
Few things are more enjoyable than Soler's Frozen Ropes, my goodness.
Yeah in my book the man hit an RBI double. If you hit the ball 115 mph you absolutely deserve to end up with 2 bags after the shortstop shits himself.
I was laughing at how much that ground ball ate Diaz alive. Jorge barreling up on a ball makes me all tingly in my man parts.
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 19, 2016, 08:22:55 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 07:21:08 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 18, 2016, 09:28:00 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 18, 2016, 08:47:12 PM
That grounder Soler hit in the 7th was off the bat at 115 mph. If he could consistently get some air under that...look out for errant boners.
Also his line out to CF was hit in the screws. It reached The CF in like a second and a half.
Few things are more enjoyable than Soler's Frozen Ropes, my goodness.
Yeah in my book the man hit an RBI double. If you hit the ball 115 mph you absolutely deserve to end up with 2 bags after the shortstop shits himself.
I was laughing at how much that ground ball ate Diaz alive. Jorge barreling up on a ball makes me all tingly in my man parts.
I laughed at the errant throw but I don't blame the dude at all for fucking that up. If something was hit at me 115 mph there's no way in hell I'd try and square that shit up. I'd have let that thing roll to the fucking wall.
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 07:21:08 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 18, 2016, 09:28:00 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 18, 2016, 08:47:12 PM
That grounder Soler hit in the 7th was off the bat at 115 mph. If he could consistently get some air under that...look out for errant boners.
Also his line out to CF was hit in the screws. It reached The CF in like a second and a half.
Few things are more enjoyable than Soler's Frozen Ropes, my goodness.
Yeah in my book the man hit an RBI double. If you hit the ball 115 mph you absolutely deserve to end up with 2 bags after the shortstop shits himself.
I don't remember who tweeted it but the league is hitting .750 on balls hit 115 MPH or greater.
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 08:24:06 AM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 19, 2016, 08:22:55 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 07:21:08 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 18, 2016, 09:28:00 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 18, 2016, 08:47:12 PM
That grounder Soler hit in the 7th was off the bat at 115 mph. If he could consistently get some air under that...look out for errant boners.
Also his line out to CF was hit in the screws. It reached The CF in like a second and a half.
Few things are more enjoyable than Soler's Frozen Ropes, my goodness.
Yeah in my book the man hit an RBI double. If you hit the ball 115 mph you absolutely deserve to end up with 2 bags after the shortstop shits himself.
I was laughing at how much that ground ball ate Diaz alive. Jorge barreling up on a ball makes me all tingly in my man parts.
I laughed at the errant throw but I don't blame the dude at all for fucking that up. If something was hit at me 115 mph there's no way in hell I'd try and square that shit up. I'd have let that thing roll to the fucking wall.
It's a Cardinal damn near getting a hole blown in him from a ball hit by a Cub. There's not a whole lot that is more laughworthy.
Quote from: Oleg on April 19, 2016, 08:43:04 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 07:21:08 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 18, 2016, 09:28:00 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 18, 2016, 08:47:12 PM
That grounder Soler hit in the 7th was off the bat at 115 mph. If he could consistently get some air under that...look out for errant boners.
Also his line out to CF was hit in the screws. It reached The CF in like a second and a half.
Few things are more enjoyable than Soler's Frozen Ropes, my goodness.
Yeah in my book the man hit an RBI double. If you hit the ball 115 mph you absolutely deserve to end up with 2 bags after the shortstop shits himself.
I don't remember who tweeted it but the league is hitting .750 on balls hit 115 MPH or greater.
Yeah, the Cubs scored 5 runs but they probably should have scored even more. Heyward hit two that were like 110 MPH but right at people, Jorge's first lineout to CF was 111 MPH. They were squaring up Leake pretty good and finally broke through.
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 08:46:27 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 19, 2016, 08:43:04 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 07:21:08 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 18, 2016, 09:28:00 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 18, 2016, 08:47:12 PM
That grounder Soler hit in the 7th was off the bat at 115 mph. If he could consistently get some air under that...look out for errant boners.
Also his line out to CF was hit in the screws. It reached The CF in like a second and a half.
Few things are more enjoyable than Soler's Frozen Ropes, my goodness.
Yeah in my book the man hit an RBI double. If you hit the ball 115 mph you absolutely deserve to end up with 2 bags after the shortstop shits himself.
I don't remember who tweeted it but the league is hitting .750 on balls hit 115 MPH or greater.
Yeah, the Cubs scored 5 runs but they probably should have scored even more. Heyward hit two that were like 110 MPH but right at people, Jorge's first lineout to CF was 111 MPH. They were squaring up Leake pretty good and finally broke through.
Maybe I meant 111 MPH. Whatever it is, it was tweeted after his CF lineout.
Quote from: Oleg on April 19, 2016, 08:43:04 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 07:21:08 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 18, 2016, 09:28:00 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 18, 2016, 08:47:12 PM
That grounder Soler hit in the 7th was off the bat at 115 mph. If he could consistently get some air under that...look out for errant boners.
Also his line out to CF was hit in the screws. It reached The CF in like a second and a half.
Few things are more enjoyable than Soler's Frozen Ropes, my goodness.
Yeah in my book the man hit an RBI double. If you hit the ball 115 mph you absolutely deserve to end up with 2 bags after the shortstop shits himself.
I don't remember who tweeted it but the league is hitting .750 on balls hit 115 MPH or greater.
please tell me what the exit velocities were for the two consecutive shots hit to Russell in last year's coin-flip game, the first of them being an error and the second one being turned for a 6-4-3 inning-ending rally-killing double play I'll sit down and wait for my answer thanks
Quote from: PANK! on April 19, 2016, 09:10:38 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 19, 2016, 08:43:04 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 07:21:08 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 18, 2016, 09:28:00 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 18, 2016, 08:47:12 PM
That grounder Soler hit in the 7th was off the bat at 115 mph. If he could consistently get some air under that...look out for errant boners.
Also his line out to CF was hit in the screws. It reached The CF in like a second and a half.
Few things are more enjoyable than Soler's Frozen Ropes, my goodness.
Yeah in my book the man hit an RBI double. If you hit the ball 115 mph you absolutely deserve to end up with 2 bags after the shortstop shits himself.
I don't remember who tweeted it but the league is hitting .750 on balls hit 115 MPH or greater.
please tell me what the exit velocities were for the two consecutive shots hit to Russell in last year's coin-flip game, the first of them being an error and the second one being turned for a 6-4-3 inning-ending rally-killing double play I'll sit down and wait for my answer thanks
If I'm reading it correctly, the Marte DP had an exit velocity of 109.4.
The error doesn't appear on this list.
http://m.mlb.com/statcast/leaderboard#exit-velo,p,2015
I'm sure there's another place to look.
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Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 18, 2016, 08:47:12 PM
That grounder Soler hit in the 7th was off the bat at 115 mph. If he could consistently get some air under that...look out for errant boners.
Also his line out to CF was hit in the screws. It reached The CF in like a second and a half.
Few things are more enjoyable than Soler's Frozen Ropes, my goodness.
Yeah in my book the man hit an RBI double. If you hit the ball 115 mph you absolutely deserve to end up with 2 bags after the shortstop shits himself.
I don't remember who tweeted it but the league is hitting .750 on balls hit 115 MPH or greater.
please tell me what the exit velocities were for the two consecutive shots hit to Russell in last year's coin-flip game, the first of them being an error and the second one being turned for a 6-4-3 inning-ending rally-killing double play I'll sit down and wait for my answer thanks
If I'm reading it correctly, the Marte DP had an exit velocity of 109.4.
The error doesn't appear on this list.
http://m.mlb.com/statcast/leaderboard#exit-velo,p,2015
I'm sure there's another place to look.
No matter. That Russell was able to start a 6-4-3 on a ball hit 109 mph in that incredibly tense situation (it was the one moment in the game where I felt like my head was going to pop as Jake was nearly on the ropes), especially after having been charged with an error on what I can assure you was a very nearly equally-hard-hit ball the batter before, just makes me appreciate Russell that much more, and that appreciation was amplified last night by the STL SS not only
not starting a 6-4-3 on Jorge's 111 mph missile, and not only merely getting 1 out, but actually becoming so discombobulated by the hit that he threw the ball away, effectively helping to seal the game for the Cubs. I really like Jorge.
Quote from: PANK! on April 19, 2016, 09:47:46 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 19, 2016, 09:16:17 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 19, 2016, 09:10:38 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 19, 2016, 08:43:04 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 07:21:08 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 18, 2016, 09:28:00 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 18, 2016, 08:47:12 PM
That grounder Soler hit in the 7th was off the bat at 115 mph. If he could consistently get some air under that...look out for errant boners.
Also his line out to CF was hit in the screws. It reached The CF in like a second and a half.
Few things are more enjoyable than Soler's Frozen Ropes, my goodness.
Yeah in my book the man hit an RBI double. If you hit the ball 115 mph you absolutely deserve to end up with 2 bags after the shortstop shits himself.
I don't remember who tweeted it but the league is hitting .750 on balls hit 115 MPH or greater.
please tell me what the exit velocities were for the two consecutive shots hit to Russell in last year's coin-flip game, the first of them being an error and the second one being turned for a 6-4-3 inning-ending rally-killing double play I'll sit down and wait for my answer thanks
If I'm reading it correctly, the Marte DP had an exit velocity of 109.4.
The error doesn't appear on this list.
http://m.mlb.com/statcast/leaderboard#exit-velo,p,2015
I'm sure there's another place to look.
No matter. That Russell was able to start a 6-4-3 on a ball hit 109 mph in that incredibly tense situation (it was the one moment in the game where I felt like my head was going to pop as Jake was nearly on the ropes), especially after having been charged with an error on what I can assure you was a very nearly equally-hard-hit ball the batter before, just makes me appreciate Russell that much more, and that appreciation was amplified last night by the STL SS not only not starting a 6-4-3 on Jorge's 111 mph missile, and not only merely getting 1 out, but actually becoming so discombobulated by the hit that he threw the ball away, effectively helping to seal the game for the Cubs. I really like Jorge.
Six commas. Six (and a sidebar in parentheses).
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 09:51:26 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 19, 2016, 09:47:46 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 19, 2016, 09:16:17 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 19, 2016, 09:10:38 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 19, 2016, 08:43:04 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 07:21:08 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 18, 2016, 09:28:00 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 18, 2016, 08:47:12 PM
That grounder Soler hit in the 7th was off the bat at 115 mph. If he could consistently get some air under that...look out for errant boners.
Also his line out to CF was hit in the screws. It reached The CF in like a second and a half.
Few things are more enjoyable than Soler's Frozen Ropes, my goodness.
Yeah in my book the man hit an RBI double. If you hit the ball 115 mph you absolutely deserve to end up with 2 bags after the shortstop shits himself.
I don't remember who tweeted it but the league is hitting .750 on balls hit 115 MPH or greater.
please tell me what the exit velocities were for the two consecutive shots hit to Russell in last year's coin-flip game, the first of them being an error and the second one being turned for a 6-4-3 inning-ending rally-killing double play I'll sit down and wait for my answer thanks
If I'm reading it correctly, the Marte DP had an exit velocity of 109.4.
The error doesn't appear on this list.
http://m.mlb.com/statcast/leaderboard#exit-velo,p,2015
I'm sure there's another place to look.
No matter. That Russell was able to start a 6-4-3 on a ball hit 109 mph in that incredibly tense situation (it was the one moment in the game where I felt like my head was going to pop as Jake was nearly on the ropes), especially after having been charged with an error on what I can assure you was a very nearly equally-hard-hit ball the batter before, just makes me appreciate Russell that much more, and that appreciation was amplified last night by the STL SS not only not starting a 6-4-3 on Jorge's 111 mph missile, and not only merely getting 1 out, but actually becoming so discombobulated by the hit that he threw the ball away, effectively helping to seal the game for the Cubs. I really like Jorge.
Six commas. Six (and a sidebar in parentheses).
Me and Al are likethis.
Quote from: PANK! on April 19, 2016, 09:53:32 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 09:51:26 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 19, 2016, 09:47:46 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 19, 2016, 09:16:17 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 19, 2016, 09:10:38 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 19, 2016, 08:43:04 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 07:21:08 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 18, 2016, 09:28:00 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 18, 2016, 08:47:12 PM
That grounder Soler hit in the 7th was off the bat at 115 mph. If he could consistently get some air under that...look out for errant boners.
Also his line out to CF was hit in the screws. It reached The CF in like a second and a half.
Few things are more enjoyable than Soler's Frozen Ropes, my goodness.
Yeah in my book the man hit an RBI double. If you hit the ball 115 mph you absolutely deserve to end up with 2 bags after the shortstop shits himself.
I don't remember who tweeted it but the league is hitting .750 on balls hit 115 MPH or greater.
please tell me what the exit velocities were for the two consecutive shots hit to Russell in last year's coin-flip game, the first of them being an error and the second one being turned for a 6-4-3 inning-ending rally-killing double play I'll sit down and wait for my answer thanks
If I'm reading it correctly, the Marte DP had an exit velocity of 109.4.
The error doesn't appear on this list.
http://m.mlb.com/statcast/leaderboard#exit-velo,p,2015
I'm sure there's another place to look.
No matter. That Russell was able to start a 6-4-3 on a ball hit 109 mph in that incredibly tense situation (it was the one moment in the game where I felt like my head was going to pop as Jake was nearly on the ropes), especially after having been charged with an error on what I can assure you was a very nearly equally-hard-hit ball the batter before, just makes me appreciate Russell that much more, and that appreciation was amplified last night by the STL SS not only not starting a 6-4-3 on Jorge's 111 mph missile, and not only merely getting 1 out, but actually becoming so discombobulated by the hit that he threw the ball away, effectively helping to seal the game for the Cubs. I really like Jorge.
Six commas. Six (and a sidebar in parentheses).
Me and Al are likethis.
*Al and I
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 19, 2016, 09:56:02 AM
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Quote from: Oleg on April 19, 2016, 09:16:17 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 19, 2016, 09:10:38 AM
Quote from: Oleg on April 19, 2016, 08:43:04 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 07:21:08 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 18, 2016, 09:28:00 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 18, 2016, 08:47:12 PM
That grounder Soler hit in the 7th was off the bat at 115 mph. If he could consistently get some air under that...look out for errant boners.
Also his line out to CF was hit in the screws. It reached The CF in like a second and a half.
Few things are more enjoyable than Soler's Frozen Ropes, my goodness.
Yeah in my book the man hit an RBI double. If you hit the ball 115 mph you absolutely deserve to end up with 2 bags after the shortstop shits himself.
I don't remember who tweeted it but the league is hitting .750 on balls hit 115 MPH or greater.
please tell me what the exit velocities were for the two consecutive shots hit to Russell in last year's coin-flip game, the first of them being an error and the second one being turned for a 6-4-3 inning-ending rally-killing double play I'll sit down and wait for my answer thanks
If I'm reading it correctly, the Marte DP had an exit velocity of 109.4.
The error doesn't appear on this list.
http://m.mlb.com/statcast/leaderboard#exit-velo,p,2015
I'm sure there's another place to look.
No matter. That Russell was able to start a 6-4-3 on a ball hit 109 mph in that incredibly tense situation (it was the one moment in the game where I felt like my head was going to pop as Jake was nearly on the ropes), especially after having been charged with an error on what I can assure you was a very nearly equally-hard-hit ball the batter before, just makes me appreciate Russell that much more, and that appreciation was amplified last night by the STL SS not only not starting a 6-4-3 on Jorge's 111 mph missile, and not only merely getting 1 out, but actually becoming so discombobulated by the hit that he threw the ball away, effectively helping to seal the game for the Cubs. I really like Jorge.
Six commas. Six (and a sidebar in parentheses).
Me and Al are likethis.
*Al and I
waz bean colloquial
So, speed of the ball off the bat is going to be the new thing around here, huh?
Quote from: CT III on April 19, 2016, 10:16:11 AM
So, speed of the ball off the bat is going to be the new thing around here, huh?
IT'S CALLED EXIT VELOCITY YOU FOOL!
Quote from: CT III on April 19, 2016, 10:16:11 AM
So, speed of the ball off the bat is going to be the new thing around here, huh?
To be fair, ti's kind of a new thing everywhere.
Wait till we start talking about spin rates and Pitch F/X (not me but people much smarter than me).
Quote from: CT III on April 19, 2016, 10:16:11 AM
So, speed of the ball off the bat is going to be the new thing around here, huh?
It's kind of the new BABIP, if used correctly it'll tell you which hitters are having good/bad luck and are going to regress/break out. If used incorrectly it's just really annoying.
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 11:02:33 AM
Quote from: CT III on April 19, 2016, 10:16:11 AM
So, speed of the ball off the bat is going to be the new thing around here, huh?
It's kind of the new BABIP, if used correctly it'll tell you which hitters are having good/bad luck and are going to regress/break out. If used incorrectly it's just really annoying.
Reminds me of when Starlin hit one 107 mph and it was caught during the Mets series. They said the league was hitting something like .738 on balls hit that hard. Then Murphy hit one 86 mph out to right off Arrieta or some shit and I began cutting myself.
Quote from: Slaky on April 19, 2016, 11:08:54 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 11:02:33 AM
Quote from: CT III on April 19, 2016, 10:16:11 AM
So, speed of the ball off the bat is going to be the new thing around here, huh?
It's kind of the new BABIP, if used correctly it'll tell you which hitters are having good/bad luck and are going to regress/break out. If used incorrectly it's just really annoying.
Reminds me of when Starlin hit one 107 mph and it was caught during the Mets series. They said the league was hitting something like .738 on balls hit that hard. Then Murphy hit one 86 mph out to right off Arrieta or some shit and I began cutting myself.
That home run Murphy hit off Arrieta was definitely a sign from whatever deity you do or don't believe in that the series was not going to go the Cubs way. I think I read at the time that only 3 balls hit that softly went for home runs all year long, and that one somehow hit the wind tunnel just right and carried out for a 3 run dong in game 2 of the fucking NLCS.
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 11:18:15 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 19, 2016, 11:08:54 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 11:02:33 AM
Quote from: CT III on April 19, 2016, 10:16:11 AM
So, speed of the ball off the bat is going to be the new thing around here, huh?
It's kind of the new BABIP, if used correctly it'll tell you which hitters are having good/bad luck and are going to regress/break out. If used incorrectly it's just really annoying.
Reminds me of when Starlin hit one 107 mph and it was caught during the Mets series. They said the league was hitting something like .738 on balls hit that hard. Then Murphy hit one 86 mph out to right off Arrieta or some shit and I began cutting myself.
That home run Murphy hit off Arrieta was definitely a sign from whatever deity you do or don't believe in that the series was not going to go the Cubs way. I think I read at the time that only 3 balls hit that softly went for home runs all year long, and that one somehow hit the wind tunnel just right and carried out for a 3 run dong in game 2 of the fucking NLCS.
If you watch a replay of that homer, you can actually pinpoint the second when our hearts ripped in half.
Quote from: Tony on April 19, 2016, 11:34:07 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 11:18:15 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 19, 2016, 11:08:54 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 11:02:33 AM
Quote from: CT III on April 19, 2016, 10:16:11 AM
So, speed of the ball off the bat is going to be the new thing around here, huh?
It's kind of the new BABIP, if used correctly it'll tell you which hitters are having good/bad luck and are going to regress/break out. If used incorrectly it's just really annoying.
Reminds me of when Starlin hit one 107 mph and it was caught during the Mets series. They said the league was hitting something like .738 on balls hit that hard. Then Murphy hit one 86 mph out to right off Arrieta or some shit and I began cutting myself.
That home run Murphy hit off Arrieta was definitely a sign from whatever deity you do or don't believe in that the series was not going to go the Cubs way. I think I read at the time that only 3 balls hit that softly went for home runs all year long, and that one somehow hit the wind tunnel just right and carried out for a 3 run dong in game 2 of the fucking NLCS.
If you watch a replay of that homer, you can actually pinpoint the second when our hearts ripped in half.
I choo-choo-choose the Cubs *sob*
Quote from: Tonker on April 19, 2016, 12:07:05 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 19, 2016, 11:34:07 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 11:18:15 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 19, 2016, 11:08:54 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 11:02:33 AM
Quote from: CT III on April 19, 2016, 10:16:11 AM
So, speed of the ball off the bat is going to be the new thing around here, huh?
It's kind of the new BABIP, if used correctly it'll tell you which hitters are having good/bad luck and are going to regress/break out. If used incorrectly it's just really annoying.
Reminds me of when Starlin hit one 107 mph and it was caught during the Mets series. They said the league was hitting something like .738 on balls hit that hard. Then Murphy hit one 86 mph out to right off Arrieta or some shit and I began cutting myself.
That home run Murphy hit off Arrieta was definitely a sign from whatever deity you do or don't believe in that the series was not going to go the Cubs way. I think I read at the time that only 3 balls hit that softly went for home runs all year long, and that one somehow hit the wind tunnel just right and carried out for a 3 run dong in game 2 of the fucking NLCS.
If you watch a replay of that homer, you can actually pinpoint the second when our hearts ripped in half.
I choo-choo-choose the Cubs *sob*
Fucking Murphy.
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Quote from: Tony on April 19, 2016, 11:34:07 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 11:18:15 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 19, 2016, 11:08:54 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 11:02:33 AM
Quote from: CT III on April 19, 2016, 10:16:11 AM
So, speed of the ball off the bat is going to be the new thing around here, huh?
It's kind of the new BABIP, if used correctly it'll tell you which hitters are having good/bad luck and are going to regress/break out. If used incorrectly it's just really annoying.
Reminds me of when Starlin hit one 107 mph and it was caught during the Mets series. They said the league was hitting something like .738 on balls hit that hard. Then Murphy hit one 86 mph out to right off Arrieta or some shit and I began cutting myself.
That home run Murphy hit off Arrieta was definitely a sign from whatever deity you do or don't believe in that the series was not going to go the Cubs way. I think I read at the time that only 3 balls hit that softly went for home runs all year long, and that one somehow hit the wind tunnel just right and carried out for a 3 run dong in game 2 of the fucking NLCS.
If you watch a replay of that homer, you can actually pinpoint the second when our hearts ripped in half.
Low point of the year.
Quote from: flannj on April 19, 2016, 12:45:55 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 19, 2016, 11:34:07 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 11:18:15 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 19, 2016, 11:08:54 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 11:02:33 AM
Quote from: CT III on April 19, 2016, 10:16:11 AM
So, speed of the ball off the bat is going to be the new thing around here, huh?
It's kind of the new BABIP, if used correctly it'll tell you which hitters are having good/bad luck and are going to regress/break out. If used incorrectly it's just really annoying.
Reminds me of when Starlin hit one 107 mph and it was caught during the Mets series. They said the league was hitting something like .738 on balls hit that hard. Then Murphy hit one 86 mph out to right off Arrieta or some shit and I began cutting myself.
That home run Murphy hit off Arrieta was definitely a sign from whatever deity you do or don't believe in that the series was not going to go the Cubs way. I think I read at the time that only 3 balls hit that softly went for home runs all year long, and that one somehow hit the wind tunnel just right and carried out for a 3 run dong in game 2 of the fucking NLCS.
If you watch a replay of that homer, you can actually pinpoint the second when our hearts ripped in half.
Low point of the year.
Why the fuck are we talking about this? THE 2016 CUBS ARE HERE, BITCHEZ!
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 19, 2016, 03:14:45 PM
Quote from: flannj on April 19, 2016, 12:45:55 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 19, 2016, 11:34:07 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 11:18:15 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 19, 2016, 11:08:54 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 11:02:33 AM
Quote from: CT III on April 19, 2016, 10:16:11 AM
So, speed of the ball off the bat is going to be the new thing around here, huh?
It's kind of the new BABIP, if used correctly it'll tell you which hitters are having good/bad luck and are going to regress/break out. If used incorrectly it's just really annoying.
Reminds me of when Starlin hit one 107 mph and it was caught during the Mets series. They said the league was hitting something like .738 on balls hit that hard. Then Murphy hit one 86 mph out to right off Arrieta or some shit and I began cutting myself.
That home run Murphy hit off Arrieta was definitely a sign from whatever deity you do or don't believe in that the series was not going to go the Cubs way. I think I read at the time that only 3 balls hit that softly went for home runs all year long, and that one somehow hit the wind tunnel just right and carried out for a 3 run dong in game 2 of the fucking NLCS.
If you watch a replay of that homer, you can actually pinpoint the second when our hearts ripped in half.
Low point of the year.
Why the fuck are we talking about this? THE 2016 CUBS ARE HERE, BITCHEZ!
(http://img.pandawhale.com/post-27633-Troy-Abed-good-point-Community-8k1e.gif)
Quote from: Eli on April 19, 2016, 03:57:18 PM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on April 19, 2016, 03:14:45 PM
Quote from: flannj on April 19, 2016, 12:45:55 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 19, 2016, 11:34:07 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 11:18:15 AM
Quote from: Slaky on April 19, 2016, 11:08:54 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 19, 2016, 11:02:33 AM
Quote from: CT III on April 19, 2016, 10:16:11 AM
So, speed of the ball off the bat is going to be the new thing around here, huh?
It's kind of the new BABIP, if used correctly it'll tell you which hitters are having good/bad luck and are going to regress/break out. If used incorrectly it's just really annoying.
Reminds me of when Starlin hit one 107 mph and it was caught during the Mets series. They said the league was hitting something like .738 on balls hit that hard. Then Murphy hit one 86 mph out to right off Arrieta or some shit and I began cutting myself.
That home run Murphy hit off Arrieta was definitely a sign from whatever deity you do or don't believe in that the series was not going to go the Cubs way. I think I read at the time that only 3 balls hit that softly went for home runs all year long, and that one somehow hit the wind tunnel just right and carried out for a 3 run dong in game 2 of the fucking NLCS.
If you watch a replay of that homer, you can actually pinpoint the second when our hearts ripped in half.
Low point of the year.
Why the fuck are we talking about this? THE 2016 CUBS ARE HERE, BITCHEZ!
(http://img.pandawhale.com/post-27633-Troy-Abed-good-point-Community-8k1e.gif)
When you're right, you're right.
How is someone so obviously athletic so bad at defense?
Quote from: Eli on April 20, 2016, 08:28:00 AM
How is someone so obviously athletic so bad at defense?
He looks way too timid out there and really unsure of himself. Is anyone coaching him?
Quote from: Eli on April 20, 2016, 08:28:00 AM
How is someone so obviously athletic so bad at defense?
I saw someone immediately go into rhetorical gymnastics to defend that play when you wondered something similar on Twitter last night and I could only shake my head. What's the point? I fucking love Jorge but it's fair to wonder what. The Fuck. Was that.
Quote from: PANK! on April 20, 2016, 08:41:06 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 20, 2016, 08:28:00 AM
How is someone so obviously athletic so bad at defense?
I saw someone immediately go into rhetorical gymnastics to defend that play when you wondered something similar on Twitter last night and I could only shake my head. What's the point? I fucking love Jorge but it's fair to wonder what. The Fuck. Was that.
Are you talking about that Adam Brown guy? That was bizarre. Arguing with Sahadev about how Jorge was "learning a new position" and "didn't know where the wall was." It's a fucking wall, man. It's not that hard to figure out where a wall is.
That was a bad play no matter how you spin it. It doesn't mean he can't ever get better on defense (Or that he even really needs to if he hits like he's capable of hitting), just admit he fucked that one up, man, and move on.
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2016, 08:50:19 AM
Are you talking about that Adam Brown guy? That was bizarre. Arguing with Sahadev about how Jorge was "learning a new position" and "didn't know where the wall was." It's a fucking wall, man. It's not that hard to figure out where a wall is.
Like I said on Twitter at the time, he's going to be the new Starlin for Cubs fans. Some people are going to jump on every misplayed ball or awkward swing, and some people are going to contort themselves to defend anything he does because of that first group of people. It's going to suck.
Quote from: Eli on April 20, 2016, 08:57:10 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2016, 08:50:19 AM
Are you talking about that Adam Brown guy? That was bizarre. Arguing with Sahadev about how Jorge was "learning a new position" and "didn't know where the wall was." It's a fucking wall, man. It's not that hard to figure out where a wall is.
Like I said on Twitter at the time, he's going to be the new Starlin for Cubs fans. Some people are going to jump on every misplayed ball or awkward swing, and some people are going to contort themselves to defend anything he does because of that first group of people. It's going to suck.
So, just like everything else on twitter or any other social medium?
Quote from: Eli on April 20, 2016, 08:57:10 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2016, 08:50:19 AM
Are you talking about that Adam Brown guy? That was bizarre. Arguing with Sahadev about how Jorge was "learning a new position" and "didn't know where the wall was." It's a fucking wall, man. It's not that hard to figure out where a wall is.
Like I said on Twitter at the time, he's going to be the new Starlin for Cubs fans. Some people are going to jump on every misplayed ball or awkward swing, and some people are going to contort themselves to defend anything he does because of that first group of people. It's going to suck.
Sigh. You're definitely right. Every misplayed ball being a referendum on his career is going to be annoying, considering I'm Pro-Jorge and I say that knowing he's going to suck in left field. It's not like the Cubs were ever banking on getting or needing good defense from that spot even if Schwarber was healthy. If Jorge hits it shouldn't really matter, but we're going to have to go through this every time, aren't we?
Quote from: Eli on April 20, 2016, 08:57:10 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2016, 08:50:19 AM
Are you talking about that Adam Brown guy? That was bizarre. Arguing with Sahadev about how Jorge was "learning a new position" and "didn't know where the wall was." It's a fucking wall, man. It's not that hard to figure out where a wall is.
Like I said on Twitter at the time, he's going to be the new Starlin for Cubs fans. Some people are going to jump on every misplayed ball or awkward swing, and some people are going to contort themselves to defend anything he does because of that first group of people. It's going to suck.
I don't think I saw that you wrote that--or maybe I briefly did and it planted that idea-- but that was my thought too, and I was already sad thinking down the road where Soler merely becomes this player where everyone suspects whatever it is you say about him is loaded with whatever side of the agenda you are "on". Thinking about this really kind of annoyed me in advance.
Quote from: SKO on April 20, 2016, 08:50:19 AM
Quote from: PANK! on April 20, 2016, 08:41:06 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 20, 2016, 08:28:00 AM
How is someone so obviously athletic so bad at defense?
I saw someone immediately go into rhetorical gymnastics to defend that play when you wondered something similar on Twitter last night and I could only shake my head. What's the point? I fucking love Jorge but it's fair to wonder what. The Fuck. Was that.
Are you talking about that Adam Brown guy? That was bizarre. Arguing with Sahadev about how Jorge was "learning a new position" and "didn't know where the wall was." It's a fucking wall, man. It's not that hard to figure out where a wall is.
That was a bad play no matter how you spin it. It doesn't mean he can't ever get better on defense (Or that he even really needs to if he hits like he's capable of hitting), just admit he fucked that one up, man, and move on.
@SouvenirCity, right? That dude kinda sucks
Quote from: Eli on April 20, 2016, 08:28:00 AM
How is someone so obviously athletic so bad at defense?
I wonder if he can play CF?
Do we have any statcast stuff on Soler's double? That had to have a higher exit velocity than Bryant's first HR.
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 22, 2016, 09:14:34 AM
Do we have any statcast stuff on Soler's double? That had to have a higher exit velocity than Bryant's first HR.
Statcast says just 101 MPH. Same speed as the Rizzo and Ross HRs. Bryant's GS was 105 MPH, his first inning dong was 111.
I thought this (http://wrigleyville.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2016/04/28/the-best-is-yet-to-come-soler-in-context/) was a pretty interesting article from BP.
Quote from: Canadouche on April 28, 2016, 12:57:38 PM
I thought this (http://wrigleyville.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2016/04/28/the-best-is-yet-to-come-soler-in-context/) was a pretty interesting article from BP.
I enjoyed it. Good reminder that everyone's development curves are different. I sometimes view Soler with the same lens I'd use for an American-born prospect and that's probably not entirely fair.
Quote from: Eli on April 28, 2016, 08:56:51 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on April 28, 2016, 12:57:38 PM
I thought this (http://wrigleyville.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2016/04/28/the-best-is-yet-to-come-soler-in-context/) was a pretty interesting article from BP.
I enjoyed it. Good reminder that everyone's development curves are different. I sometimes view Soler with the same lens I'd use for an American-born prospect and that's probably not entirely fair.
Yeah, probably not entirely, right?
Quote from: InternetApex on April 29, 2016, 09:15:06 AM
Quote from: Eli on April 28, 2016, 08:56:51 PM
Quote from: Canadouche on April 28, 2016, 12:57:38 PM
I thought this (http://wrigleyville.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2016/04/28/the-best-is-yet-to-come-soler-in-context/) was a pretty interesting article from BP.
I enjoyed it. Good reminder that everyone's development curves are different. I sometimes view Soler with the same lens I'd use for an American-born prospect and that's probably not entirely fair.
Yeah, probably not entirely, right?
Right.
So Eli's racist now? Missouri gets to everyone eventually, I guess.
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2016, 09:21:45 AM
So Eli's racist now? Missouri gets to everyone eventually, I guess.
He's probably not entirely not racist.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 29, 2016, 09:37:52 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2016, 09:21:45 AM
So Eli's racist now? Missouri gets to everyone eventually, I guess.
He's probably not entirely not racist.
You're a weird guy, Apex.
Quote from: Eli on April 29, 2016, 09:39:31 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 29, 2016, 09:37:52 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2016, 09:21:45 AM
So Eli's racist now? Missouri gets to everyone eventually, I guess.
He's probably not entirely not racist.
You're a weird guy, Apex.
For this and all my sins, I am sorry.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 29, 2016, 09:37:52 AM
Quote from: SKO on April 29, 2016, 09:21:45 AM
So Eli's racist now? Missouri gets to everyone eventually, I guess.
He's probably not entirely not racist.
Maybe only 3/5.
If Joe is going to start Ryan Kalish over him, is it time to send Jorge down to a Iowa to get him some playing time?
*Nevermind, I see Joe Ross has pretty insane L/R splits (.430 OPS vs RHB in his career so far, .791 LHB). So that kinda makes sense I guess, but still worth asking if Jorge might be better off playing every day in Iowa till he can get into a rhythm of some kind.
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2016, 03:08:57 PM
If Joe is going to start Ryan Kalish over him, is it time to send Jorge down to a Iowa to get him some playing time?
*Nevermind, I see Joe Ross has pretty insane L/R splits (.430 OPS vs RHB in his career so far, .791 LHB). So that kinda makes sense I guess, but still worth asking if Jorge might be better off playing every day in Iowa till he can get into a rhythm of some kind.
There's just not enough at bats to go around. I think I'd rather see Javy out there most of the time and Bryant in the outfield. But even if you send him down for a while, they would have the same issue when he comes back.
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2016, 03:08:57 PM
If Joe is going to start Ryan Kalish over him, is it time to send Jorge down to a Iowa to get him some playing time?
*Nevermind, I see Joe Ross has pretty insane L/R splits (.430 OPS vs RHB in his career so far, .791 LHB). So that kinda makes sense I guess, but still worth asking if Jorge might be better off playing every day in Iowa till he can get into a rhythm of some kind.
You seem pretty eager to S your P's about Jorge and Heyward. Given that this team is on pace for about 300 wins and basically every other player is meeting or exceeding expectations, and that Heyward is traditionally a slow starter and has a bum wrist, and that Jorge retracts into his shell in early season cold weather, maybe give them more than a month before pushing the panic button?
Quote from: R-V on May 06, 2016, 09:10:25 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2016, 03:08:57 PM
If Joe is going to start Ryan Kalish over him, is it time to send Jorge down to a Iowa to get him some playing time?
*Nevermind, I see Joe Ross has pretty insane L/R splits (.430 OPS vs RHB in his career so far, .791 LHB). So that kinda makes sense I guess, but still worth asking if Jorge might be better off playing every day in Iowa till he can get into a rhythm of some kind.
You seem pretty eager to S your P's about Jorge and Heyward. Given that this team is on pace for about 300 wins and basically every other player is meeting or exceeding expectations, and that Heyward is traditionally a slow starter and has a bum wrist, and that Jorge retracts into his shell in early season cold weather, maybe give them more than a month before pushing the panic button?
Do you even know how the panic button works, RV?
Quote from: R-V on May 06, 2016, 09:10:25 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2016, 03:08:57 PM
If Joe is going to start Ryan Kalish over him, is it time to send Jorge down to a Iowa to get him some playing time?
*Nevermind, I see Joe Ross has pretty insane L/R splits (.430 OPS vs RHB in his career so far, .791 LHB). So that kinda makes sense I guess, but still worth asking if Jorge might be better off playing every day in Iowa till he can get into a rhythm of some kind.
You seem pretty eager to S your P's about Jorge and Heyward. Given that this team is on pace for about 300 wins and basically every other player is meeting or exceeding expectations, and that Heyward is traditionally a slow starter and has a bum wrist, and that Jorge retracts into his shell in early season cold weather, maybe give them more than a month before pushing the panic button?
I'm not panicking about Jorge, he's just not getting any playing time and if the argument seems to be that he "needs to get into a groove" it seems like giving him every day PAs somewhere might be a thing they should consider. I'm not saying "he sucks, get this bum outta here". Hell, if anything I'm still kind of on team "let him actually get, like, multiple starts in a row for once."
If Joe isn't going to play him, though maybe they'd be better off sending him to Iowa to OPS over 1.000 and look more appealing to trade partners? I also don't really buy the cold weather argument given how he tore up the world last October. He could also get a lot more reps to work on his defense in left at Iowa.
I'm also not trying to be panicky about Heyward, but fangraphs had an article about this being arguably the worst stretch of his career even taking into account his typical crappy Aprils and the injured wrist is something making me a little more worried that maybe he won't just shake it off, not less? It's not like I think he sucks, I'm just worried that maybe this wrist is actually kind of a big issue? He's not hitting anything very hard, at all. That would seem to be a reason for concern.
Quote from: SKO on May 06, 2016, 09:17:13 AM
Quote from: R-V on May 06, 2016, 09:10:25 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2016, 03:08:57 PM
If Joe is going to start Ryan Kalish over him, is it time to send Jorge down to a Iowa to get him some playing time?
*Nevermind, I see Joe Ross has pretty insane L/R splits (.430 OPS vs RHB in his career so far, .791 LHB). So that kinda makes sense I guess, but still worth asking if Jorge might be better off playing every day in Iowa till he can get into a rhythm of some kind.
You seem pretty eager to S your P's about Jorge and Heyward. Given that this team is on pace for about 300 wins and basically every other player is meeting or exceeding expectations, and that Heyward is traditionally a slow starter and has a bum wrist, and that Jorge retracts into his shell in early season cold weather, maybe give them more than a month before pushing the panic button?
I'm not panicking about Jorge, he's just not getting any playing time and if the argument seems to be that he "needs to get into a groove" it seems like giving him every day PAs somewhere might be a thing they should consider. I'm not saying "he sucks, get this bum outta here". Hell, if anything I'm still kind of on team "let him actually get, like, multiple starts in a row for once."
If Joe isn't going to play him, though maybe they'd be better off sending him to Iowa to OPS over 1.000 and look more appealing to trade partners? I also don't really buy the cold weather argument given how he tore up the world last October.
I'm also not trying to be panicky about Heyward, but fangraphs had an article about this being arguably the worst stretch of his career even taking into account his typical crappy Aprils and the injured wrist is something making me a little more worried that maybe he won't just shake it off, not less? It's not like I think he sucks, I'm just worried that maybe this wrist is actually kind of a big issue? He's not hitting anything very hard, at all. That would seem to be a reason for concern.
Here's a list of players on the team that have more PAs than Jorge: Rizzo, Bryant, Fowler, Zobrist, Russell and Heyward. I think you might be overreacting to a one week sample in which the Cubs faced some pretty tough righties in Teheran, Cole and Ross which limited his playing time since La Stella has been swinging the bat well. And everyone knows that April cold is different than October cold. Once the summer heat warms up their blood, the Latins stay nice and toasty through November.
As for Heyward, I think the Cubs have shown they're going to err on the side of caution in keeping people healthy for the postseason. If he needs to be DL'd I'm sure they'll do it. They have the depth. If not, I'm going to assume it's minor and has just exacerbated his usual early season struggles a bit.
Quote from: R-V on May 06, 2016, 09:25:51 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 06, 2016, 09:17:13 AM
Quote from: R-V on May 06, 2016, 09:10:25 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2016, 03:08:57 PM
If Joe is going to start Ryan Kalish over him, is it time to send Jorge down to a Iowa to get him some playing time?
*Nevermind, I see Joe Ross has pretty insane L/R splits (.430 OPS vs RHB in his career so far, .791 LHB). So that kinda makes sense I guess, but still worth asking if Jorge might be better off playing every day in Iowa till he can get into a rhythm of some kind.
You seem pretty eager to S your P's about Jorge and Heyward. Given that this team is on pace for about 300 wins and basically every other player is meeting or exceeding expectations, and that Heyward is traditionally a slow starter and has a bum wrist, and that Jorge retracts into his shell in early season cold weather, maybe give them more than a month before pushing the panic button?
I'm not panicking about Jorge, he's just not getting any playing time and if the argument seems to be that he "needs to get into a groove" it seems like giving him every day PAs somewhere might be a thing they should consider. I'm not saying "he sucks, get this bum outta here". Hell, if anything I'm still kind of on team "let him actually get, like, multiple starts in a row for once."
If Joe isn't going to play him, though maybe they'd be better off sending him to Iowa to OPS over 1.000 and look more appealing to trade partners? I also don't really buy the cold weather argument given how he tore up the world last October.
I'm also not trying to be panicky about Heyward, but fangraphs had an article about this being arguably the worst stretch of his career even taking into account his typical crappy Aprils and the injured wrist is something making me a little more worried that maybe he won't just shake it off, not less? It's not like I think he sucks, I'm just worried that maybe this wrist is actually kind of a big issue? He's not hitting anything very hard, at all. That would seem to be a reason for concern.
Here's a list of players on the team that have more PAs than Jorge: Rizzo, Bryant, Fowler, Zobrist, Russell and Heyward. I think you might be overreacting to a one week sample in which the Cubs faced some pretty tough righties in Teheran, Cole and Ross which limited his playing time since La Stella has been swinging the bat well. And everyone knows that April cold is different than October cold. Once the summer heat warms up their blood, the Latins stay nice and toasty through November.
As for Heyward, I think the Cubs have shown they're going to err on the side of caution in keeping people healthy for the postseason. If he needs to be DL'd I'm sure they'll do it. They have the depth. If not, I'm going to assume it's minor and has just exacerbated his usual early season struggles a bit.
All fair points. I think seeing me at my worst last year has some people assuming I mean the worst when I really don't. I'm not angry or upset about Jorge not playing, just questioning at what point he might be better off getting every day PAs somewhere.
As for Heyward that shockingly low hard hit rate only became more worrisome to me when they said he had a wrist injury, given how those tend to linger and rob guys of power. So that situation at least merits monitoring, without me coming off like a panicky douchebag. I'll let you know when I'm panicking, sir. It's unmistakable.
Quote from: SKO on May 06, 2016, 09:35:22 AM
Quote from: R-V on May 06, 2016, 09:25:51 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 06, 2016, 09:17:13 AM
Quote from: R-V on May 06, 2016, 09:10:25 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2016, 03:08:57 PM
If Joe is going to start Ryan Kalish over him, is it time to send Jorge down to a Iowa to get him some playing time?
*Nevermind, I see Joe Ross has pretty insane L/R splits (.430 OPS vs RHB in his career so far, .791 LHB). So that kinda makes sense I guess, but still worth asking if Jorge might be better off playing every day in Iowa till he can get into a rhythm of some kind.
You seem pretty eager to S your P's about Jorge and Heyward. Given that this team is on pace for about 300 wins and basically every other player is meeting or exceeding expectations, and that Heyward is traditionally a slow starter and has a bum wrist, and that Jorge retracts into his shell in early season cold weather, maybe give them more than a month before pushing the panic button?
I'm not panicking about Jorge, he's just not getting any playing time and if the argument seems to be that he "needs to get into a groove" it seems like giving him every day PAs somewhere might be a thing they should consider. I'm not saying "he sucks, get this bum outta here". Hell, if anything I'm still kind of on team "let him actually get, like, multiple starts in a row for once."
If Joe isn't going to play him, though maybe they'd be better off sending him to Iowa to OPS over 1.000 and look more appealing to trade partners? I also don't really buy the cold weather argument given how he tore up the world last October.
I'm also not trying to be panicky about Heyward, but fangraphs had an article about this being arguably the worst stretch of his career even taking into account his typical crappy Aprils and the injured wrist is something making me a little more worried that maybe he won't just shake it off, not less? It's not like I think he sucks, I'm just worried that maybe this wrist is actually kind of a big issue? He's not hitting anything very hard, at all. That would seem to be a reason for concern.
Here's a list of players on the team that have more PAs than Jorge: Rizzo, Bryant, Fowler, Zobrist, Russell and Heyward. I think you might be overreacting to a one week sample in which the Cubs faced some pretty tough righties in Teheran, Cole and Ross which limited his playing time since La Stella has been swinging the bat well. And everyone knows that April cold is different than October cold. Once the summer heat warms up their blood, the Latins stay nice and toasty through November.
As for Heyward, I think the Cubs have shown they're going to err on the side of caution in keeping people healthy for the postseason. If he needs to be DL'd I'm sure they'll do it. They have the depth. If not, I'm going to assume it's minor and has just exacerbated his usual early season struggles a bit.
All fair points. I think seeing me at my worst last year has some people assuming I mean the worst when I really don't. I'm not angry or upset about Jorge not playing, just questioning at what point he might be better off getting every day PAs somewhere.
As for Heyward that shockingly low hard hit rate only became more worrisome to me when they said he had a wrist injury, given how those tend to linger and rob guys of power. So that situation at least merits monitoring, without me coming off like a panicky douchebag. I'll let you know when I'm panicking, sir. It's unmistakable.
I seem to recall that Heyward
was hitting the ball on the screws for the first few weeks of the season.
Quote from: PANK! on May 06, 2016, 10:17:55 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 06, 2016, 09:35:22 AM
Quote from: R-V on May 06, 2016, 09:25:51 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 06, 2016, 09:17:13 AM
Quote from: R-V on May 06, 2016, 09:10:25 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 05, 2016, 03:08:57 PM
If Joe is going to start Ryan Kalish over him, is it time to send Jorge down to a Iowa to get him some playing time?
*Nevermind, I see Joe Ross has pretty insane L/R splits (.430 OPS vs RHB in his career so far, .791 LHB). So that kinda makes sense I guess, but still worth asking if Jorge might be better off playing every day in Iowa till he can get into a rhythm of some kind.
You seem pretty eager to S your P's about Jorge and Heyward. Given that this team is on pace for about 300 wins and basically every other player is meeting or exceeding expectations, and that Heyward is traditionally a slow starter and has a bum wrist, and that Jorge retracts into his shell in early season cold weather, maybe give them more than a month before pushing the panic button?
I'm not panicking about Jorge, he's just not getting any playing time and if the argument seems to be that he "needs to get into a groove" it seems like giving him every day PAs somewhere might be a thing they should consider. I'm not saying "he sucks, get this bum outta here". Hell, if anything I'm still kind of on team "let him actually get, like, multiple starts in a row for once."
If Joe isn't going to play him, though maybe they'd be better off sending him to Iowa to OPS over 1.000 and look more appealing to trade partners? I also don't really buy the cold weather argument given how he tore up the world last October.
I'm also not trying to be panicky about Heyward, but fangraphs had an article about this being arguably the worst stretch of his career even taking into account his typical crappy Aprils and the injured wrist is something making me a little more worried that maybe he won't just shake it off, not less? It's not like I think he sucks, I'm just worried that maybe this wrist is actually kind of a big issue? He's not hitting anything very hard, at all. That would seem to be a reason for concern.
Here's a list of players on the team that have more PAs than Jorge: Rizzo, Bryant, Fowler, Zobrist, Russell and Heyward. I think you might be overreacting to a one week sample in which the Cubs faced some pretty tough righties in Teheran, Cole and Ross which limited his playing time since La Stella has been swinging the bat well. And everyone knows that April cold is different than October cold. Once the summer heat warms up their blood, the Latins stay nice and toasty through November.
As for Heyward, I think the Cubs have shown they're going to err on the side of caution in keeping people healthy for the postseason. If he needs to be DL'd I'm sure they'll do it. They have the depth. If not, I'm going to assume it's minor and has just exacerbated his usual early season struggles a bit.
All fair points. I think seeing me at my worst last year has some people assuming I mean the worst when I really don't. I'm not angry or upset about Jorge not playing, just questioning at what point he might be better off getting every day PAs somewhere.
As for Heyward that shockingly low hard hit rate only became more worrisome to me when they said he had a wrist injury, given how those tend to linger and rob guys of power. So that situation at least merits monitoring, without me coming off like a panicky douchebag. I'll let you know when I'm panicking, sir. It's unmistakable.
I seem to recall that Heyward was hitting the ball on the screws for the first few weeks of the season.
He's got a hard hit % of 16.9% so far this year. His career average is 30.7%. I think people remember him getting robbed of some liners against STL and have extrapolated that to the rest of his struggles but something is definitely off.
Joe Maddon has done a little better than OK throughout his managerial career with managing his roster.
I'm just going to go ahead and believe he knows what he's doing here better than any of us do.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 06, 2016, 10:26:42 AM
Joe Maddon has done a little better than OK throughout his managerial career with managing his roster.
I'm just going to go ahead and believe he knows what he's doing here better than any of us do.
Who was questioning Joe other than no one?
I was asking if Jorge is better off in Iowa if Joe isn't going to play him, not asking why Joe isn't playing him. Sending him to Iowa probably isn't Joe's call.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 06, 2016, 10:26:42 AM
Joe Maddon has done a little better than OK throughout his managerial career with managing his roster.
I'm just going to go ahead and believe he knows what he's doing here better than any of us do.
I think that sending Jorge down would be damaging to his ego and he'd lose touch with some of the people who are trying to help him the most on and off the field for awhile. I know there are people who will say so what, grow up, you big pussy, but those people don't know what's best for him any more than I do. We're talking about a team that has developed talent for the big league club at an astounding rate. Maybe they think what's best for Jorge is that he gets acclimated to life in the U.S. and the big leagues at a pace that isn't putting a ton of pressure on him to perform. Just do what you can, big kid, listen and learn. Ask questions. Go buy a dog and get some smoking hot black latina chick to live in your apartment and feed you both. Guess what, the weather will get warmer and so will your bat. We've seen it happen. Love, love, love.
Or send him to Iowa where he can crush the shitty pitching, eat at taco bell and show up for games without a belt on. Meh.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 10:32:52 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 06, 2016, 10:26:42 AM
Joe Maddon has done a little better than OK throughout his managerial career with managing his roster.
I'm just going to go ahead and believe he knows what he's doing here better than any of us do.
I think that sending Jorge down would be damaging to his ego and he'd lose touch with some of the people who are trying to help him the most on and off the field for awhile. I know there are people who will say so what, grow up, you big pussy, but those people don't know what's best for him any more than I do. We're talking about a team that has developed talent for the big league club at an astounding rate. Maybe they think what's best for Jorge is that he gets acclimated to life in the U.S. and the big leagues at a pace that isn't putting a ton of pressure on him to perform. Just do what you can, big kid, listen and learn. Ask questions. Go buy a dog and get some smoking hot black latina chick to live in your apartment and feed you both. Guess what, the weather will get warmer and so will your bat. We've seen it happen. Love, love, love.
Or send him to Iowa where he can crush the shitty pitching, eat at taco bell and show up for games without a belt on. Meh.
The Des Moines area actually has a severe lack of Taco Bells. It's mostly Taco Johns here, which is garbage.
Also again, you mistake me. I don't
want Jorge sent down. I want Jorge to stay, and play, and hit, but it's possible he's just not going to get those opportunities while Javy and La Stella are making a more compelling argument for playing time. I was just asking if they might be better off letting him get into a rhythm as an every day player and coming back up whenever those two inevitably cool off.
You can say being sent down is damaging to his ego but perhaps so is being benched for Matt Szczur and getting judged on one or two PAs a game once or twice a week?
Quote from: SKO on May 06, 2016, 10:29:44 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 06, 2016, 10:26:42 AM
Joe Maddon has done a little better than OK throughout his managerial career with managing his roster.
I'm just going to go ahead and believe he knows what he's doing here better than any of us do.
Who was questioning Joe other than no one?
I was asking if Jorge is better off in Iowa if Joe isn't going to play him, not asking why Joe isn't playing him. Sending him to Iowa probably isn't Joe's call.
You're right. Asking why the team isn't doing with a player what you view to be logical isn't questioning management at all. What was I thinking?
Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 10:32:52 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 06, 2016, 10:26:42 AM
Joe Maddon has done a little better than OK throughout his managerial career with managing his roster.
I'm just going to go ahead and believe he knows what he's doing here better than any of us do.
I think that sending Jorge down would be damaging to his ego and he'd lose touch with some of the people who are trying to help him the most on and off the field for awhile. I know there are people who will say so what, grow up, you big pussy, but those people don't know what's best for him any more than I do. We're talking about a team that has developed talent for the big league club at an astounding rate. Maybe they think what's best for Jorge is that he gets acclimated to life in the U.S. and the big leagues at a pace that isn't putting a ton of pressure on him to perform. Just do what you can, big kid, listen and learn. Ask questions. Go buy a dog and get some smoking hot black latina chick to live in your apartment and feed you both. Guess what, the weather will get warmer and so will your bat. We've seen it happen. Love, love, love.
Or send him to Iowa where he can crush the shitty pitching, eat at taco bell and show up for games without a belt on. Meh.
This is a very good post and an example of why I keep coming back to Desipio in spite of the tentacle smut links that pop up when I try to search for terms like buttpuddle and jelqing.
Quote from: R-V on May 06, 2016, 10:43:33 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 10:32:52 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 06, 2016, 10:26:42 AM
Joe Maddon has done a little better than OK throughout his managerial career with managing his roster.
I'm just going to go ahead and believe he knows what he's doing here better than any of us do.
I think that sending Jorge down would be damaging to his ego and he'd lose touch with some of the people who are trying to help him the most on and off the field for awhile. I know there are people who will say so what, grow up, you big pussy, but those people don't know what's best for him any more than I do. We're talking about a team that has developed talent for the big league club at an astounding rate. Maybe they think what's best for Jorge is that he gets acclimated to life in the U.S. and the big leagues at a pace that isn't putting a ton of pressure on him to perform. Just do what you can, big kid, listen and learn. Ask questions. Go buy a dog and get some smoking hot black latina chick to live in your apartment and feed you both. Guess what, the weather will get warmer and so will your bat. We've seen it happen. Love, love, love.
Or send him to Iowa where he can crush the shitty pitching, eat at taco bell and show up for games without a belt on. Meh.
This is a very good post and an example of why I keep coming back to Desipio in spite of the tentacle smut links that pop up when I try to search for terms like buttpuddle and jelqing.
I keep coming back to watch SKO try and swat bees with a shovel.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 06, 2016, 10:41:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 06, 2016, 10:29:44 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 06, 2016, 10:26:42 AM
Joe Maddon has done a little better than OK throughout his managerial career with managing his roster.
I'm just going to go ahead and believe he knows what he's doing here better than any of us do.
Who was questioning Joe other than no one?
I was asking if Jorge is better off in Iowa if Joe isn't going to play him, not asking why Joe isn't playing him. Sending him to Iowa probably isn't Joe's call.
You're right. Asking why the team isn't doing with a player what you view to be logical isn't questioning management at all. What was I thinking?
Again, I'm not asking why Joe isn't playing Jorge. I get why he's not playing. I'm also not demanding they send him down. If they think he's better served on an MLB bench than anywhere else, cool. I was just asking if there's anyway maybe he would be better off getting daily playing time in Iowa. If we're going to default to "Joe's good, Theo's good, team's good, don't ask questions" this is going to be a boring messageboard.
Quote from: SKO on May 06, 2016, 10:37:42 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 10:32:52 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 06, 2016, 10:26:42 AM
Joe Maddon has done a little better than OK throughout his managerial career with managing his roster.
I'm just going to go ahead and believe he knows what he's doing here better than any of us do.
I think that sending Jorge down would be damaging to his ego and he'd lose touch with some of the people who are trying to help him the most on and off the field for awhile. I know there are people who will say so what, grow up, you big pussy, but those people don't know what's best for him any more than I do. We're talking about a team that has developed talent for the big league club at an astounding rate. Maybe they think what's best for Jorge is that he gets acclimated to life in the U.S. and the big leagues at a pace that isn't putting a ton of pressure on him to perform. Just do what you can, big kid, listen and learn. Ask questions. Go buy a dog and get some smoking hot black latina chick to live in your apartment and feed you both. Guess what, the weather will get warmer and so will your bat. We've seen it happen. Love, love, love.
Or send him to Iowa where he can crush the shitty pitching, eat at taco bell and show up for games without a belt on. Meh.
The Des Moines area actually has a severe lack of Taco Bells. It's mostly Taco Johns here, which is garbage.
Also again, you mistake me. I don't want Jorge sent down. I want Jorge to stay, and play, and hit, but it's possible he's just not going to get those opportunities while Javy and La Stella are making a more compelling argument for playing time. I was just asking if they might be better off letting him get into a rhythm as an every day player and coming back up whenever those two inevitably cool off.
You can say being sent down is damaging to his ego but perhaps so is being benched for Matt Szczur and getting judged on one or two PAs a game once or twice a week?
What's best for the Cubs is what's best for Jorge in long run. And I'm sure the question has popped into Theo/Jed/Joe etc's mind because that's what they do for a living. It seems we have empirical evidence that the answer to the question about whether they should send Jorge down is no.
So ask the question again a different way and see if you get someone here to agree with you. What's the harm in that?
So again, don't ask questions because the team is good. Got it.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 10:48:39 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 06, 2016, 10:37:42 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 10:32:52 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 06, 2016, 10:26:42 AM
Joe Maddon has done a little better than OK throughout his managerial career with managing his roster.
I'm just going to go ahead and believe he knows what he's doing here better than any of us do.
I think that sending Jorge down would be damaging to his ego and he'd lose touch with some of the people who are trying to help him the most on and off the field for awhile. I know there are people who will say so what, grow up, you big pussy, but those people don't know what's best for him any more than I do. We're talking about a team that has developed talent for the big league club at an astounding rate. Maybe they think what's best for Jorge is that he gets acclimated to life in the U.S. and the big leagues at a pace that isn't putting a ton of pressure on him to perform. Just do what you can, big kid, listen and learn. Ask questions. Go buy a dog and get some smoking hot black latina chick to live in your apartment and feed you both. Guess what, the weather will get warmer and so will your bat. We've seen it happen. Love, love, love.
Or send him to Iowa where he can crush the shitty pitching, eat at taco bell and show up for games without a belt on. Meh.
The Des Moines area actually has a severe lack of Taco Bells. It's mostly Taco Johns here, which is garbage.
Also again, you mistake me. I don't want Jorge sent down. I want Jorge to stay, and play, and hit, but it's possible he's just not going to get those opportunities while Javy and La Stella are making a more compelling argument for playing time. I was just asking if they might be better off letting him get into a rhythm as an every day player and coming back up whenever those two inevitably cool off.
You can say being sent down is damaging to his ego but perhaps so is being benched for Matt Szczur and getting judged on one or two PAs a game once or twice a week?
What's best for the Cubs is what's best for Jorge in long run. And I'm sure the question has popped into Theo/Jed/Joe etc's mind because that's what they do for a living. It seems we have empirical evidence that the answer to the question about whether they should send Jorge down is no.
So ask the question again a different way and see if you get someone here to agree with you. What's the harm in that?
Level-headed Apex is quite possibly this message board's best character yet.
Quote from: SKO on May 06, 2016, 10:49:32 AM
So again, don't ask questions because the team is good. Got it.
Overruled. Asked and answered.
Quote from: CT III on May 06, 2016, 10:49:54 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 10:48:39 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 06, 2016, 10:37:42 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 10:32:52 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 06, 2016, 10:26:42 AM
Joe Maddon has done a little better than OK throughout his managerial career with managing his roster.
I'm just going to go ahead and believe he knows what he's doing here better than any of us do.
I think that sending Jorge down would be damaging to his ego and he'd lose touch with some of the people who are trying to help him the most on and off the field for awhile. I know there are people who will say so what, grow up, you big pussy, but those people don't know what's best for him any more than I do. We're talking about a team that has developed talent for the big league club at an astounding rate. Maybe they think what's best for Jorge is that he gets acclimated to life in the U.S. and the big leagues at a pace that isn't putting a ton of pressure on him to perform. Just do what you can, big kid, listen and learn. Ask questions. Go buy a dog and get some smoking hot black latina chick to live in your apartment and feed you both. Guess what, the weather will get warmer and so will your bat. We've seen it happen. Love, love, love.
Or send him to Iowa where he can crush the shitty pitching, eat at taco bell and show up for games without a belt on. Meh.
The Des Moines area actually has a severe lack of Taco Bells. It's mostly Taco Johns here, which is garbage.
Also again, you mistake me. I don't want Jorge sent down. I want Jorge to stay, and play, and hit, but it's possible he's just not going to get those opportunities while Javy and La Stella are making a more compelling argument for playing time. I was just asking if they might be better off letting him get into a rhythm as an every day player and coming back up whenever those two inevitably cool off.
You can say being sent down is damaging to his ego but perhaps so is being benched for Matt Szczur and getting judged on one or two PAs a game once or twice a week?
What's best for the Cubs is what's best for Jorge in long run. And I'm sure the question has popped into Theo/Jed/Joe etc's mind because that's what they do for a living. It seems we have empirical evidence that the answer to the question about whether they should send Jorge down is no.
So ask the question again a different way and see if you get someone here to agree with you. What's the harm in that?
Level-headed Apex is quite possibly this message board's best character yet.
I've been going to church and shit.
Quote from: SKO on May 06, 2016, 10:49:32 AM
So again, don't ask questions because the team is good. Got it.
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Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 10:48:39 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 06, 2016, 10:37:42 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 10:32:52 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 06, 2016, 10:26:42 AM
Joe Maddon has done a little better than OK throughout his managerial career with managing his roster.
I'm just going to go ahead and believe he knows what he's doing here better than any of us do.
I think that sending Jorge down would be damaging to his ego and he'd lose touch with some of the people who are trying to help him the most on and off the field for awhile. I know there are people who will say so what, grow up, you big pussy, but those people don't know what's best for him any more than I do. We're talking about a team that has developed talent for the big league club at an astounding rate. Maybe they think what's best for Jorge is that he gets acclimated to life in the U.S. and the big leagues at a pace that isn't putting a ton of pressure on him to perform. Just do what you can, big kid, listen and learn. Ask questions. Go buy a dog and get some smoking hot black latina chick to live in your apartment and feed you both. Guess what, the weather will get warmer and so will your bat. We've seen it happen. Love, love, love.
Or send him to Iowa where he can crush the shitty pitching, eat at taco bell and show up for games without a belt on. Meh.
The Des Moines area actually has a severe lack of Taco Bells. It's mostly Taco Johns here, which is garbage.
Also again, you mistake me. I don't want Jorge sent down. I want Jorge to stay, and play, and hit, but it's possible he's just not going to get those opportunities while Javy and La Stella are making a more compelling argument for playing time. I was just asking if they might be better off letting him get into a rhythm as an every day player and coming back up whenever those two inevitably cool off.
You can say being sent down is damaging to his ego but perhaps so is being benched for Matt Szczur and getting judged on one or two PAs a game once or twice a week?
What's best for the Cubs is what's best for Jorge in long run. And I'm sure the question has popped into Theo/Jed/Joe etc's mind because that's what they do for a living. It seems we have empirical evidence that the answer to the question about whether they should send Jorge down is no.
So ask the question again a different way and see if you get someone here to agree with you. What's the harm in that?
Level-headed Apex is quite possibly this message board's best character yet.
I've been going to church and shit.
Me too. I'm actually kind of enjoying it.
Now I wait for Eli to come along, say something far more negative about Jorge than my simple question, but say it in that understated Eli way, and everyone will shrug and move on while I go "wait, why did everyone jump down my throat"
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 06, 2016, 10:41:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 06, 2016, 10:29:44 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 06, 2016, 10:26:42 AM
Joe Maddon has done a little better than OK throughout his managerial career with managing his roster.
I'm just going to go ahead and believe he knows what he's doing here better than any of us do.
Who was questioning Joe other than no one?
I was asking if Jorge is better off in Iowa if Joe isn't going to play him, not asking why Joe isn't playing him. Sending him to Iowa probably isn't Joe's call.
You're right. Asking why the team isn't doing with a player what you view to be logical isn't questioning management at all. What was I thinking?
Take it somewhere else of that's how younger about it, pal.
Quote from: SKO on May 06, 2016, 10:58:39 AM
Now I wait for Eli to come along, say something far more negative about Jorge than my simple question, but say it in that understated Eli way, and everyone will shrug and move on while I go "wait, why did everyone jump down my throat"
We sent Eli to the re-education camps sometime last week.
Quote from: SKO on May 06, 2016, 10:49:32 AMSo again, don't ask questions because the team is good. Got it.
I can't prove it, but when I posted my initial response I predicted to myself that this would be where we'd end up. I'm a real Nostradamus.
Quote from: CT III on May 06, 2016, 10:57:57 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 10:52:51 AM
Quote from: CT III on May 06, 2016, 10:49:54 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 10:48:39 AM
Quote from: SKO on May 06, 2016, 10:37:42 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 10:32:52 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 06, 2016, 10:26:42 AM
Joe Maddon has done a little better than OK throughout his managerial career with managing his roster.
I'm just going to go ahead and believe he knows what he's doing here better than any of us do.
I think that sending Jorge down would be damaging to his ego and he'd lose touch with some of the people who are trying to help him the most on and off the field for awhile. I know there are people who will say so what, grow up, you big pussy, but those people don't know what's best for him any more than I do. We're talking about a team that has developed talent for the big league club at an astounding rate. Maybe they think what's best for Jorge is that he gets acclimated to life in the U.S. and the big leagues at a pace that isn't putting a ton of pressure on him to perform. Just do what you can, big kid, listen and learn. Ask questions. Go buy a dog and get some smoking hot black latina chick to live in your apartment and feed you both. Guess what, the weather will get warmer and so will your bat. We've seen it happen. Love, love, love.
Or send him to Iowa where he can crush the shitty pitching, eat at taco bell and show up for games without a belt on. Meh.
The Des Moines area actually has a severe lack of Taco Bells. It's mostly Taco Johns here, which is garbage.
Also again, you mistake me. I don't want Jorge sent down. I want Jorge to stay, and play, and hit, but it's possible he's just not going to get those opportunities while Javy and La Stella are making a more compelling argument for playing time. I was just asking if they might be better off letting him get into a rhythm as an every day player and coming back up whenever those two inevitably cool off.
You can say being sent down is damaging to his ego but perhaps so is being benched for Matt Szczur and getting judged on one or two PAs a game once or twice a week?
What's best for the Cubs is what's best for Jorge in long run. And I'm sure the question has popped into Theo/Jed/Joe etc's mind because that's what they do for a living. It seems we have empirical evidence that the answer to the question about whether they should send Jorge down is no.
So ask the question again a different way and see if you get someone here to agree with you. What's the harm in that?
Level-headed Apex is quite possibly this message board's best character yet.
I've been going to church and shit.
Me too. I'm actually kind of enjoying it.
As the old expression goes "there's no such thing as an atheist in a
foxholehorrid dystopian reality where the presidential election is between a fascist and a warmongering harpy and we're all heading full speed towards societal collapse."
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Quote from: SKO on May 06, 2016, 10:49:32 AM
So again, don't ask questions because the team is good. Got it.
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Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 10:32:52 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 06, 2016, 10:26:42 AM
Joe Maddon has done a little better than OK throughout his managerial career with managing his roster.
I'm just going to go ahead and believe he knows what he's doing here better than any of us do.
I think that sending Jorge down would be damaging to his ego and he'd lose touch with some of the people who are trying to help him the most on and off the field for awhile. I know there are people who will say so what, grow up, you big pussy, but those people don't know what's best for him any more than I do. We're talking about a team that has developed talent for the big league club at an astounding rate. Maybe they think what's best for Jorge is that he gets acclimated to life in the U.S. and the big leagues at a pace that isn't putting a ton of pressure on him to perform. Just do what you can, big kid, listen and learn. Ask questions. Go buy a dog and get some smoking hot black latina chick to live in your apartment and feed you both. Guess what, the weather will get warmer and so will your bat. We've seen it happen. Love, love, love.
Or send him to Iowa where he can crush the shitty pitching, eat at taco bell and show up for games without a belt on. Meh.
The Des Moines area actually has a severe lack of Taco Bells. It's mostly Taco Johns here, which is garbage.
Also again, you mistake me. I don't want Jorge sent down. I want Jorge to stay, and play, and hit, but it's possible he's just not going to get those opportunities while Javy and La Stella are making a more compelling argument for playing time. I was just asking if they might be better off letting him get into a rhythm as an every day player and coming back up whenever those two inevitably cool off.
You can say being sent down is damaging to his ego but perhaps so is being benched for Matt Szczur and getting judged on one or two PAs a game once or twice a week?
What's best for the Cubs is what's best for Jorge in long run. And I'm sure the question has popped into Theo/Jed/Joe etc's mind because that's what they do for a living. It seems we have empirical evidence that the answer to the question about whether they should send Jorge down is no.
So ask the question again a different way and see if you get someone here to agree with you. What's the harm in that?
Level-headed Apex is quite possibly this message board's best character yet.
I've been going to church and shit.
Me too. I'm actually kind of enjoying it.
As the old expression goes "there's no such thing as an atheist in a foxholehorrid dystopian reality where the presidential election is between a fascist and a warmongering harpy and we're all heading full speed towards societal collapse."
True, although my move predated Trump's ascension by several months. It was more a case of finding a new parish because our local one is now staffed by a Vatican sanctioned exorcist who clearly believes in the supernatural (he may also believe in the show Supernatural but I cannot confirm that) and his assistant, a Polish guy who seems nice enough but once gave a 40 minute homily on how we as Catholics should be prepared for persecution at the hands of people who think its strange we are not allowed to chew gum an hour prior to receiving Communion.
So now I go to a chapel that's run by some very nice nuns.
But yes, I am very happy to be where I am in advance of the coming dystopia.
Quote from: CT III on May 06, 2016, 11:15:51 AM
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Quote from: SKO on May 06, 2016, 10:37:42 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 10:32:52 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 06, 2016, 10:26:42 AM
Joe Maddon has done a little better than OK throughout his managerial career with managing his roster.
I'm just going to go ahead and believe he knows what he's doing here better than any of us do.
I think that sending Jorge down would be damaging to his ego and he'd lose touch with some of the people who are trying to help him the most on and off the field for awhile. I know there are people who will say so what, grow up, you big pussy, but those people don't know what's best for him any more than I do. We're talking about a team that has developed talent for the big league club at an astounding rate. Maybe they think what's best for Jorge is that he gets acclimated to life in the U.S. and the big leagues at a pace that isn't putting a ton of pressure on him to perform. Just do what you can, big kid, listen and learn. Ask questions. Go buy a dog and get some smoking hot black latina chick to live in your apartment and feed you both. Guess what, the weather will get warmer and so will your bat. We've seen it happen. Love, love, love.
Or send him to Iowa where he can crush the shitty pitching, eat at taco bell and show up for games without a belt on. Meh.
The Des Moines area actually has a severe lack of Taco Bells. It's mostly Taco Johns here, which is garbage.
Also again, you mistake me. I don't want Jorge sent down. I want Jorge to stay, and play, and hit, but it's possible he's just not going to get those opportunities while Javy and La Stella are making a more compelling argument for playing time. I was just asking if they might be better off letting him get into a rhythm as an every day player and coming back up whenever those two inevitably cool off.
You can say being sent down is damaging to his ego but perhaps so is being benched for Matt Szczur and getting judged on one or two PAs a game once or twice a week?
What's best for the Cubs is what's best for Jorge in long run. And I'm sure the question has popped into Theo/Jed/Joe etc's mind because that's what they do for a living. It seems we have empirical evidence that the answer to the question about whether they should send Jorge down is no.
So ask the question again a different way and see if you get someone here to agree with you. What's the harm in that?
Level-headed Apex is quite possibly this message board's best character yet.
I've been going to church and shit.
Me too. I'm actually kind of enjoying it.
As the old expression goes "there's no such thing as an atheist in a foxholehorrid dystopian reality where the presidential election is between a fascist and a warmongering harpy and we're all heading full speed towards societal collapse."
True, although my move predated Trump's ascension by several months. It was more a case of finding a new parish because our local one is now staffed by a Vatican sanctioned exorcist who clearly believes in the supernatural (he may also believe in the show Supernatural but I cannot confirm that) and his assistant, a Polish guy who seems nice enough but once gave a 40 minute homily on how we as Catholics should be prepared for persecution at the hands of people who think its strange we are not allowed to chew gum an hour prior to receiving Communion.
So now I go to a chapel that's run by some very nice nuns.
But yes, I am very happy to be where I am in advance of the coming dystopia.
Isn't a belief in the Supernatural part of the job of any religious man?
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Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 10:32:52 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 06, 2016, 10:26:42 AM
Joe Maddon has done a little better than OK throughout his managerial career with managing his roster.
I'm just going to go ahead and believe he knows what he's doing here better than any of us do.
I think that sending Jorge down would be damaging to his ego and he'd lose touch with some of the people who are trying to help him the most on and off the field for awhile. I know there are people who will say so what, grow up, you big pussy, but those people don't know what's best for him any more than I do. We're talking about a team that has developed talent for the big league club at an astounding rate. Maybe they think what's best for Jorge is that he gets acclimated to life in the U.S. and the big leagues at a pace that isn't putting a ton of pressure on him to perform. Just do what you can, big kid, listen and learn. Ask questions. Go buy a dog and get some smoking hot black latina chick to live in your apartment and feed you both. Guess what, the weather will get warmer and so will your bat. We've seen it happen. Love, love, love.
Or send him to Iowa where he can crush the shitty pitching, eat at taco bell and show up for games without a belt on. Meh.
The Des Moines area actually has a severe lack of Taco Bells. It's mostly Taco Johns here, which is garbage.
Also again, you mistake me. I don't want Jorge sent down. I want Jorge to stay, and play, and hit, but it's possible he's just not going to get those opportunities while Javy and La Stella are making a more compelling argument for playing time. I was just asking if they might be better off letting him get into a rhythm as an every day player and coming back up whenever those two inevitably cool off.
You can say being sent down is damaging to his ego but perhaps so is being benched for Matt Szczur and getting judged on one or two PAs a game once or twice a week?
What's best for the Cubs is what's best for Jorge in long run. And I'm sure the question has popped into Theo/Jed/Joe etc's mind because that's what they do for a living. It seems we have empirical evidence that the answer to the question about whether they should send Jorge down is no.
So ask the question again a different way and see if you get someone here to agree with you. What's the harm in that?
Level-headed Apex is quite possibly this message board's best character yet.
I've been going to church and shit.
Me too. I'm actually kind of enjoying it.
As the old expression goes "there's no such thing as an atheist in a foxholehorrid dystopian reality where the presidential election is between a fascist and a warmongering harpy and we're all heading full speed towards societal collapse."
True, although my move predated Trump's ascension by several months. It was more a case of finding a new parish because our local one is now staffed by a Vatican sanctioned exorcist who clearly believes in the supernatural (he may also believe in the show Supernatural but I cannot confirm that) and his assistant, a Polish guy who seems nice enough but once gave a 40 minute homily on how we as Catholics should be prepared for persecution at the hands of people who think its strange we are not allowed to chew gum an hour prior to receiving Communion.
So now I go to a chapel that's run by some very nice nuns.
But yes, I am very happy to be where I am in advance of the coming dystopia.
Isn't a belief in the Supernatural part of the job of any religious man?
A fair point. But the more I think about it, the more I think he probably considers the show Supernatural to be very true to life.
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Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 06, 2016, 10:26:42 AM
Joe Maddon has done a little better than OK throughout his managerial career with managing his roster.
I'm just going to go ahead and believe he knows what he's doing here better than any of us do.
I think that sending Jorge down would be damaging to his ego and he'd lose touch with some of the people who are trying to help him the most on and off the field for awhile. I know there are people who will say so what, grow up, you big pussy, but those people don't know what's best for him any more than I do. We're talking about a team that has developed talent for the big league club at an astounding rate. Maybe they think what's best for Jorge is that he gets acclimated to life in the U.S. and the big leagues at a pace that isn't putting a ton of pressure on him to perform. Just do what you can, big kid, listen and learn. Ask questions. Go buy a dog and get some smoking hot black latina chick to live in your apartment and feed you both. Guess what, the weather will get warmer and so will your bat. We've seen it happen. Love, love, love.
Or send him to Iowa where he can crush the shitty pitching, eat at taco bell and show up for games without a belt on. Meh.
The Des Moines area actually has a severe lack of Taco Bells. It's mostly Taco Johns here, which is garbage.
Also again, you mistake me. I don't want Jorge sent down. I want Jorge to stay, and play, and hit, but it's possible he's just not going to get those opportunities while Javy and La Stella are making a more compelling argument for playing time. I was just asking if they might be better off letting him get into a rhythm as an every day player and coming back up whenever those two inevitably cool off.
You can say being sent down is damaging to his ego but perhaps so is being benched for Matt Szczur and getting judged on one or two PAs a game once or twice a week?
What's best for the Cubs is what's best for Jorge in long run. And I'm sure the question has popped into Theo/Jed/Joe etc's mind because that's what they do for a living. It seems we have empirical evidence that the answer to the question about whether they should send Jorge down is no.
So ask the question again a different way and see if you get someone here to agree with you. What's the harm in that?
Level-headed Apex is quite possibly this message board's best character yet.
I've been going to church and shit.
Me too. I'm actually kind of enjoying it.
As the old expression goes "there's no such thing as an atheist in a foxholehorrid dystopian reality where the presidential election is between a fascist and a warmongering harpy and we're all heading full speed towards societal collapse."
True, although my move predated Trump's ascension by several months. It was more a case of finding a new parish because our local one is now staffed by a Vatican sanctioned exorcist who clearly believes in the supernatural (he may also believe in the show Supernatural but I cannot confirm that) and his assistant, a Polish guy who seems nice enough but once gave a 40 minute homily on how we as Catholics should be prepared for persecution at the hands of people who think its strange we are not allowed to chew gum an hour prior to receiving Communion.
So now I go to a chapel that's run by some very nice nuns.
But yes, I am very happy to be where I am in advance of the coming dystopia.
Isn't a belief in the Supernatural part of the job of any religious man?
I think it depends which religion.
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Joe Maddon has done a little better than OK throughout his managerial career with managing his roster.
I'm just going to go ahead and believe he knows what he's doing here better than any of us do.
I think that sending Jorge down would be damaging to his ego and he'd lose touch with some of the people who are trying to help him the most on and off the field for awhile. I know there are people who will say so what, grow up, you big pussy, but those people don't know what's best for him any more than I do. We're talking about a team that has developed talent for the big league club at an astounding rate. Maybe they think what's best for Jorge is that he gets acclimated to life in the U.S. and the big leagues at a pace that isn't putting a ton of pressure on him to perform. Just do what you can, big kid, listen and learn. Ask questions. Go buy a dog and get some smoking hot black latina chick to live in your apartment and feed you both. Guess what, the weather will get warmer and so will your bat. We've seen it happen. Love, love, love.
Or send him to Iowa where he can crush the shitty pitching, eat at taco bell and show up for games without a belt on. Meh.
The Des Moines area actually has a severe lack of Taco Bells. It's mostly Taco Johns here, which is garbage.
Also again, you mistake me. I don't want Jorge sent down. I want Jorge to stay, and play, and hit, but it's possible he's just not going to get those opportunities while Javy and La Stella are making a more compelling argument for playing time. I was just asking if they might be better off letting him get into a rhythm as an every day player and coming back up whenever those two inevitably cool off.
You can say being sent down is damaging to his ego but perhaps so is being benched for Matt Szczur and getting judged on one or two PAs a game once or twice a week?
What's best for the Cubs is what's best for Jorge in long run. And I'm sure the question has popped into Theo/Jed/Joe etc's mind because that's what they do for a living. It seems we have empirical evidence that the answer to the question about whether they should send Jorge down is no.
So ask the question again a different way and see if you get someone here to agree with you. What's the harm in that?
Level-headed Apex is quite possibly this message board's best character yet.
I've been going to church and shit.
Me too. I'm actually kind of enjoying it.
As the old expression goes "there's no such thing as an atheist in a foxholehorrid dystopian reality where the presidential election is between a fascist and a warmongering harpy and we're all heading full speed towards societal collapse."
True, although my move predated Trump's ascension by several months. It was more a case of finding a new parish because our local one is now staffed by a Vatican sanctioned exorcist who clearly believes in the supernatural (he may also believe in the show Supernatural but I cannot confirm that) and his assistant, a Polish guy who seems nice enough but once gave a 40 minute homily on how we as Catholics should be prepared for persecution at the hands of people who think its strange we are not allowed to chew gum an hour prior to receiving Communion.
So now I go to a chapel that's run by some very nice nuns.
But yes, I am very happy to be where I am in advance of the coming dystopia.
Isn't a belief in the Supernatural part of the job of any religious man?
I think it depends which religion.
How can you say that? http://www.venganza.org/about/
Theo Epstein just told open microphones in Cubs pregame that they can't really afford to develop guys who are going through slumps this year. They're trying to win the World Series so they have to be realistic and tell guys this is what they need from them or else.
If he's telling the God's honest truth, Taco John's might be about to snag a very large and forlorn regular. Hope someone down there can help him order.
Quote from: CT III on May 06, 2016, 11:15:51 AM
So now I go to a chapel that's run by some very nice nuns.
any of them fly?
And how in the living blue fuck did a TV show about a nun that flies ever get greenlighted?
Greenlit?
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 06, 2016, 01:26:17 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 06, 2016, 11:15:51 AM
So now I go to a chapel that's run by some very nice nuns.
any of them fly?
And how in the living blue fuck did a TV show about a nun that flies ever get greenlighted?
Greenlit?
Three words:
Lysergic acid and diethylamide.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 01:32:49 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 06, 2016, 01:26:17 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 06, 2016, 11:15:51 AM
So now I go to a chapel that's run by some very nice nuns.
any of them fly?
And how in the living blue fuck did a TV show about a nun that flies ever get greenlighted?
Greenlit?
Three words:
Lysergic acid and diethylamide.
It was also a time where there was a sitcom about a German prison camp, and the Beverly Hillbillies got super Bowl-type ratings. It was a helluva time.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 06, 2016, 01:39:08 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 01:32:49 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 06, 2016, 01:26:17 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 06, 2016, 11:15:51 AM
So now I go to a chapel that's run by some very nice nuns.
any of them fly?
And how in the living blue fuck did a TV show about a nun that flies ever get greenlighted?
Greenlit?
Three words:
Lysergic acid and diethylamide.
It was also a time where there was a sitcom about a German prison camp, and the Beverly Hillbillies got super Bowl-type ratings. It was a helluva time.
<-- Weeps openly.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 06, 2016, 01:39:08 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 01:32:49 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 06, 2016, 01:26:17 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 06, 2016, 11:15:51 AM
So now I go to a chapel that's run by some very nice nuns.
any of them fly?
And how in the living blue fuck did a TV show about a nun that flies ever get greenlighted?
Greenlit?
Three words:
Lysergic acid and diethylamide.
It was also a time where there was a sitcom about a German prison camp, and the Beverly Hillbillies got super Bowl-type ratings. It was a helluva time.
Save this tight five minutes for open mic night at Shenanigans.
Quote from: Bort on May 06, 2016, 03:28:20 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 06, 2016, 01:39:08 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 06, 2016, 01:32:49 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 06, 2016, 01:26:17 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 06, 2016, 11:15:51 AM
So now I go to a chapel that's run by some very nice nuns.
any of them fly?
And how in the living blue fuck did a TV show about a nun that flies ever get greenlighted?
Greenlit?
Three words:
Lysergic acid and diethylamide.
It was also a time where there was a sitcom about a German prison camp, and the Beverly Hillbillies got super Bowl-type ratings. It was a helluva time.
Save this tight five minutes for open mic night at Shenanigans.
It checks out, there are enough Hitler references.
Quote from: SKO on May 06, 2016, 10:58:39 AM
Now I wait for Eli to come along, say something far more negative about Jorge than my simple question, but say it in that understated Eli way, and everyone will shrug and move on while I go "wait, why did everyone jump down my throat"
I was out of town for a few days and do not currently have a strong opinion about Jorge except that I hope he gets better.
This probably isn't what you were looking for.
Quote from: Eli on May 08, 2016, 10:09:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 06, 2016, 10:58:39 AM
Now I wait for Eli to come along, say something far more negative about Jorge than my simple question, but say it in that understated Eli way, and everyone will shrug and move on while I go "wait, why did everyone jump down my throat"
I was out of town for a few days and do not currently have a strong opinion about Jorge except that I hope he gets better.
This probably isn't what you were looking for.
Damn neutrals.
His K rate is down, and his walk rate is up. He's not being the soulcrusher we hoped he would be out of the gates, especially considering last year's NLDS performance, but the Cubs are going in dry on everyone, so they can carry his bat while he figures it out.
Nothing is fucked here, dude.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 09, 2016, 08:25:12 AM
His K rate is down, and his walk rate is up. He's not being the soulcrusher we hoped he would be out of the gates, especially considering last year's NLDS performance, but the Cubs are going in dry on everyone, so they can carry his bat while he figures it out.
Nothing is fucked here, dude.
Gotta say, however, much as I love me some Jorge, it's hard not to think of him as the most expendable player right now. Defensively, the team is better off with Baez at 3B and Bryant in LF than with Bryant at 3B and Soler in LF--both positions are improved with the former alignment. If Baez continues to hit, it's hard to imagine a role on this team for Jorge. We knew this day would come eventually for one of their young players, and as things are developing it's becoming clear, to me at least, that the first young player to be launched for reinforcements is going to be Our Man Jorge. :(
Quote from: PANK! on May 09, 2016, 08:48:28 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 09, 2016, 08:25:12 AM
His K rate is down, and his walk rate is up. He's not being the soulcrusher we hoped he would be out of the gates, especially considering last year's NLDS performance, but the Cubs are going in dry on everyone, so they can carry his bat while he figures it out.
Nothing is fucked here, dude.
Gotta say, however, much as I love me some Jorge, it's hard not to think of him as the most expendable player right now. Defensively, the team is better off with Baez at 3B and Bryant in LF than with Bryant at 3B and Soler in LF--both positions are improved with the former alignment. If Baez continues to hit, it's hard to imagine a role on this team for Jorge. We knew this day would come eventually for one of their young players, and as things are developing it's becoming clear, to me at least, that the first young player to be launched for reinforcements is going to be Our Man Jorge. :(
All of this is reasonable. I've been reminding myself that it's pretty damn greedy to expect that *all* of the young guys would live up to expectations. I don't think it's crazy to say that we know Bryant/Schwarber/Russell/Baez are all starter-level MLB players at a minimum, with perennial All-Star potential. That's a hell of a hit rate if they don't hit on Jorge.
Quote from: R-V on May 09, 2016, 09:06:17 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 09, 2016, 08:48:28 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 09, 2016, 08:25:12 AM
His K rate is down, and his walk rate is up. He's not being the soulcrusher we hoped he would be out of the gates, especially considering last year's NLDS performance, but the Cubs are going in dry on everyone, so they can carry his bat while he figures it out.
Nothing is fucked here, dude.
Gotta say, however, much as I love me some Jorge, it's hard not to think of him as the most expendable player right now. Defensively, the team is better off with Baez at 3B and Bryant in LF than with Bryant at 3B and Soler in LF--both positions are improved with the former alignment. If Baez continues to hit, it's hard to imagine a role on this team for Jorge. We knew this day would come eventually for one of their young players, and as things are developing it's becoming clear, to me at least, that the first young player to be launched for reinforcements is going to be Our Man Jorge. :(
All of this is reasonable. I've been reminding myself that it's pretty damn greedy to expect that *all* of the young guys would live up to expectations. I don't think it's crazy to say that we know Bryant/Schwarber/Russell/Baez are all starter-level MLB players at a minimum, with perennial All-Star potential. That's a hell of a hit rate if they don't hit on Jorge.
And I'm not necessarily saying that Jorge won't live up to the expectations. I think there's a good chance he will in fact--his historic performance in last season's postseason makes for a good argument that he will.
I'm just saying that whether his expectations become fulfilled or unfulfilled, I don't think we're going to find out while he's wearing the blue pinstripes.
Quote from: PANK! on May 09, 2016, 09:12:58 AM
Quote from: R-V on May 09, 2016, 09:06:17 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 09, 2016, 08:48:28 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 09, 2016, 08:25:12 AM
His K rate is down, and his walk rate is up. He's not being the soulcrusher we hoped he would be out of the gates, especially considering last year's NLDS performance, but the Cubs are going in dry on everyone, so they can carry his bat while he figures it out.
Nothing is fucked here, dude.
Gotta say, however, much as I love me some Jorge, it's hard not to think of him as the most expendable player right now. Defensively, the team is better off with Baez at 3B and Bryant in LF than with Bryant at 3B and Soler in LF--both positions are improved with the former alignment. If Baez continues to hit, it's hard to imagine a role on this team for Jorge. We knew this day would come eventually for one of their young players, and as things are developing it's becoming clear, to me at least, that the first young player to be launched for reinforcements is going to be Our Man Jorge. :(
All of this is reasonable. I've been reminding myself that it's pretty damn greedy to expect that *all* of the young guys would live up to expectations. I don't think it's crazy to say that we know Bryant/Schwarber/Russell/Baez are all starter-level MLB players at a minimum, with perennial All-Star potential. That's a hell of a hit rate if they don't hit on Jorge.
And I'm not necessarily saying that Jorge won't live up to the expectations. I think there's a good chance he will in fact--his historic performance in last season's postseason makes for a good argument that he will.
I'm just saying that whether his expectations become fulfilled or unfulfilled, I don't think we're going to find out while he's wearing the blue pinstripes.
Dealing him while his value is at an all-time low seems like a poor move though. I'm bracing myself for some bad news about him eventually but I doubt if I'll take it well. (||)
Quote from: InternetApex on May 09, 2016, 09:32:38 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 09, 2016, 09:12:58 AM
Quote from: R-V on May 09, 2016, 09:06:17 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 09, 2016, 08:48:28 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 09, 2016, 08:25:12 AM
His K rate is down, and his walk rate is up. He's not being the soulcrusher we hoped he would be out of the gates, especially considering last year's NLDS performance, but the Cubs are going in dry on everyone, so they can carry his bat while he figures it out.
Nothing is fucked here, dude.
Gotta say, however, much as I love me some Jorge, it's hard not to think of him as the most expendable player right now. Defensively, the team is better off with Baez at 3B and Bryant in LF than with Bryant at 3B and Soler in LF--both positions are improved with the former alignment. If Baez continues to hit, it's hard to imagine a role on this team for Jorge. We knew this day would come eventually for one of their young players, and as things are developing it's becoming clear, to me at least, that the first young player to be launched for reinforcements is going to be Our Man Jorge. :(
All of this is reasonable. I've been reminding myself that it's pretty damn greedy to expect that *all* of the young guys would live up to expectations. I don't think it's crazy to say that we know Bryant/Schwarber/Russell/Baez are all starter-level MLB players at a minimum, with perennial All-Star potential. That's a hell of a hit rate if they don't hit on Jorge.
And I'm not necessarily saying that Jorge won't live up to the expectations. I think there's a good chance he will in fact--his historic performance in last season's postseason makes for a good argument that he will.
I'm just saying that whether his expectations become fulfilled or unfulfilled, I don't think we're going to find out while he's wearing the blue pinstripes.
Dealing him while his value is at an all-time low seems like a poor move though. I'm bracing myself for some bad news about him eventually but I doubt if I'll take it well. (||)
I wouldn't say his value's at an all-time low. He's just gotten off to a slow start and hasn't played every day. I think he's done enough in the past to get fair value--hell, they could probably still sell high based on his weeklong dominance of playoff pitching last year. Besides, a deal's not likely going to happen before July so perhaps Jorge has time to elevate his numbers by then. I just don't see how he'll do anything else during that time to suddenly render him inexpendable.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 09, 2016, 09:32:38 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 09, 2016, 09:12:58 AM
Quote from: R-V on May 09, 2016, 09:06:17 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 09, 2016, 08:48:28 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 09, 2016, 08:25:12 AM
His K rate is down, and his walk rate is up. He's not being the soulcrusher we hoped he would be out of the gates, especially considering last year's NLDS performance, but the Cubs are going in dry on everyone, so they can carry his bat while he figures it out.
Nothing is fucked here, dude.
Gotta say, however, much as I love me some Jorge, it's hard not to think of him as the most expendable player right now. Defensively, the team is better off with Baez at 3B and Bryant in LF than with Bryant at 3B and Soler in LF--both positions are improved with the former alignment. If Baez continues to hit, it's hard to imagine a role on this team for Jorge. We knew this day would come eventually for one of their young players, and as things are developing it's becoming clear, to me at least, that the first young player to be launched for reinforcements is going to be Our Man Jorge. :(
All of this is reasonable. I've been reminding myself that it's pretty damn greedy to expect that *all* of the young guys would live up to expectations. I don't think it's crazy to say that we know Bryant/Schwarber/Russell/Baez are all starter-level MLB players at a minimum, with perennial All-Star potential. That's a hell of a hit rate if they don't hit on Jorge.
And I'm not necessarily saying that Jorge won't live up to the expectations. I think there's a good chance he will in fact--his historic performance in last season's postseason makes for a good argument that he will.
I'm just saying that whether his expectations become fulfilled or unfulfilled, I don't think we're going to find out while he's wearing the blue pinstripes.
Dealing him while his value is at an all-time low seems like a poor move though. I'm bracing myself for some bad news about him eventually but I doubt if I'll take it well. (||)
That's not how things work around here. Castro should be your most recent reminder. Traded only after he tore it up for a couple months on a big stage.
Quote from: Slaky on May 09, 2016, 09:41:56 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 09, 2016, 09:32:38 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 09, 2016, 09:12:58 AM
Quote from: R-V on May 09, 2016, 09:06:17 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 09, 2016, 08:48:28 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on May 09, 2016, 08:25:12 AM
His K rate is down, and his walk rate is up. He's not being the soulcrusher we hoped he would be out of the gates, especially considering last year's NLDS performance, but the Cubs are going in dry on everyone, so they can carry his bat while he figures it out.
Nothing is fucked here, dude.
Gotta say, however, much as I love me some Jorge, it's hard not to think of him as the most expendable player right now. Defensively, the team is better off with Baez at 3B and Bryant in LF than with Bryant at 3B and Soler in LF--both positions are improved with the former alignment. If Baez continues to hit, it's hard to imagine a role on this team for Jorge. We knew this day would come eventually for one of their young players, and as things are developing it's becoming clear, to me at least, that the first young player to be launched for reinforcements is going to be Our Man Jorge. :(
All of this is reasonable. I've been reminding myself that it's pretty damn greedy to expect that *all* of the young guys would live up to expectations. I don't think it's crazy to say that we know Bryant/Schwarber/Russell/Baez are all starter-level MLB players at a minimum, with perennial All-Star potential. That's a hell of a hit rate if they don't hit on Jorge.
And I'm not necessarily saying that Jorge won't live up to the expectations. I think there's a good chance he will in fact--his historic performance in last season's postseason makes for a good argument that he will.
I'm just saying that whether his expectations become fulfilled or unfulfilled, I don't think we're going to find out while he's wearing the blue pinstripes.
Dealing him while his value is at an all-time low seems like a poor move though. I'm bracing myself for some bad news about him eventually but I doubt if I'll take it well. (||)
That's not how things work around here. Castro should be your most recent reminder. Traded only after he tore it up for a couple months on a big stage.
And if Soler gets launched, it will be for a piece that will get the Cubs closer (or over the hump) to a parade in November. You know every seller will call the Cubs, and they're all looking at Soler.
/thread
Quote from: SKO on May 11, 2016, 09:34:34 PM
/thread
Not complete without:
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This is the part where I'd do a photoshop of Soler impaled by a giant fork.
I'm a little worried.
Quote from: Canadouche on May 12, 2016, 10:07:49 AM
This is the part where I'd do a photoshop of Soler impaled by a giant fork.
Mitch Soler?
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 12, 2016, 11:12:48 AM
I'm a little worried.
About Soler or the possibility of Kurtshopped image?
I'm not going to lie, I'm a fucking mess over both.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2016, 12:25:36 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 12, 2016, 11:12:48 AM
I'm a little worried.
About Soler or the possibility of Kurtshopped image?
I'm not going to lie, I'm a fucking mess over both.
If it helps there's a guy on twitter who is very adamant with everyone that Jorge Soler is still an above average player so long as you discount this year's stats, include the playoffs, ignore that defense and baserunning are things that matter, and that it's reasonable to expect a corner OF to hit better than a modestly good offensive second baseman.
Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2016, 12:31:05 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2016, 12:25:36 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 12, 2016, 11:12:48 AM
I'm a little worried.
About Soler or the possibility of Kurtshopped image?
I'm not going to lie, I'm a fucking mess over both.
If it helps there's a guy on twitter who is very adamant with everyone that Jorge Soler is still an above average player so long as you discount this year's stats, include the playoffs, ignore that defense and baserunning are things that matter, and that it's reasonable to expect a corner OF to hit better than a modestly good offensive second baseman.
Well that's good because in my experience there's always a guy on twitter who thinks whatever.
Quote from: CT III on May 12, 2016, 12:32:10 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2016, 12:31:05 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2016, 12:25:36 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 12, 2016, 11:12:48 AM
I'm a little worried.
About Soler or the possibility of Kurtshopped image?
I'm not going to lie, I'm a fucking mess over both.
If it helps there's a guy on twitter who is very adamant with everyone that Jorge Soler is still an above average player so long as you discount this year's stats, include the playoffs, ignore that defense and baserunning are things that matter, and that it's reasonable to expect a corner OF to hit better than a modestly good offensive second baseman.
Well that's good because in my experience there's always a guy on twitter who thinks whatever.
yeah but usually that guy is me
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2016, 12:25:36 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 12, 2016, 11:12:48 AM
I'm a little worried.
About Soler or the possibility of Kurtshopped image?
I'm not going to lie, I'm a fucking mess over both.
I'll do my best to calm the situation now: I no longer have an active photoshop subscription with Adobe, and I don't like the alternative that I bought for my iMac. Barring an unforeseen circumstance, my photoshop days are probably over. But we'll always have Scarlos.
Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2016, 12:31:05 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2016, 12:25:36 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 12, 2016, 11:12:48 AM
I'm a little worried.
About Soler or the possibility of Kurtshopped image?
I'm not going to lie, I'm a fucking mess over both.
If it helps there's a guy on twitter who is very adamant with everyone that Jorge Soler is still an above average player so long as you discount this year's stats, include the playoffs, ignore that defense and baserunning are things that matter, and that it's reasonable to expect a corner OF to hit better than a modestly good offensive second baseman.
I'm starting to think my Twitter feed would be a lot less annoying if I stopped following grown-assed men who call themselves "Tommy".
Seriously, there're like 4 of the people.
Quote from: PANK! on May 12, 2016, 03:47:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2016, 12:31:05 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2016, 12:25:36 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 12, 2016, 11:12:48 AM
I'm a little worried.
About Soler or the possibility of Kurtshopped image?
I'm not going to lie, I'm a fucking mess over both.
If it helps there's a guy on twitter who is very adamant with everyone that Jorge Soler is still an above average player so long as you discount this year's stats, include the playoffs, ignore that defense and baserunning are things that matter, and that it's reasonable to expect a corner OF to hit better than a modestly good offensive second baseman.
I'm starting to think my Twitter feed would be a lot less annoying if I stopped following grown-assed man who call themselves "Tommy".
Seriously, there're like 4 of the people.
Intrepid Readers Tommy Hunter and Tommy La Stella:
Not cool, man.
Quote from: PANK! on May 12, 2016, 03:47:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2016, 12:31:05 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2016, 12:25:36 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 12, 2016, 11:12:48 AM
I'm a little worried.
About Soler or the possibility of Kurtshopped image?
I'm not going to lie, I'm a fucking mess over both.
If it helps there's a guy on twitter who is very adamant with everyone that Jorge Soler is still an above average player so long as you discount this year's stats, include the playoffs, ignore that defense and baserunning are things that matter, and that it's reasonable to expect a corner OF to hit better than a modestly good offensive second baseman.
I'm starting to think my Twitter feed would be a lot less annoying if I stopped following grown-assed men who call themselves "Tommy".
Seriously, there're like 4 of the people.
You got a problem?
(https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/11/14/1415981411933/Basilisk-stare---Tommy-Le-012.jpg)
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2016, 04:49:25 PM
Quote from: PANK! on May 12, 2016, 03:47:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2016, 12:31:05 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2016, 12:25:36 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 12, 2016, 11:12:48 AM
I'm a little worried.
About Soler or the possibility of Kurtshopped image?
I'm not going to lie, I'm a fucking mess over both.
If it helps there's a guy on twitter who is very adamant with everyone that Jorge Soler is still an above average player so long as you discount this year's stats, include the playoffs, ignore that defense and baserunning are things that matter, and that it's reasonable to expect a corner OF to hit better than a modestly good offensive second baseman.
I'm starting to think my Twitter feed would be a lot less annoying if I stopped following grown-assed men who call themselves "Tommy".
Seriously, there're like 4 of the people.
You got a problem?
(https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/11/14/1415981411933/Basilisk-stare---Tommy-Le-012.jpg)
(https://www.sonymoviechannel.com/sites/default/files/movies/images/tommy_640x360.jpg?1323902829)
What are we talking about? I didn't hear anything.
Quote from: Bort on May 12, 2016, 04:59:52 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on May 12, 2016, 04:49:25 PM
Quote from: PANK! on May 12, 2016, 03:47:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on May 12, 2016, 12:31:05 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 12, 2016, 12:25:36 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 12, 2016, 11:12:48 AM
I'm a little worried.
About Soler or the possibility of Kurtshopped image?
I'm not going to lie, I'm a fucking mess over both.
If it helps there's a guy on twitter who is very adamant with everyone that Jorge Soler is still an above average player so long as you discount this year's stats, include the playoffs, ignore that defense and baserunning are things that matter, and that it's reasonable to expect a corner OF to hit better than a modestly good offensive second baseman.
I'm starting to think my Twitter feed would be a lot less annoying if I stopped following grown-assed men who call themselves "Tommy".
Seriously, there're like 4 of the people.
You got a problem?
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We need more of this from Soler, especially if Heyward's out for any length of time. That running catch at the wall was huge.
Much, much better from Jorge last night. What I particularly liked yesterday was not so much the home run, but the two walks that preceded it, because it shows he's not panicking. I know Joe talks a lot about process over results: hopefully this is the start of Jorge getting his results.
Quote from: Tonker on May 25, 2016, 03:27:40 AM
Much, much better from Jorge last night. What I particularly liked yesterday was not so much the home run, but the two walks that preceded it, because it shows he's not panicking. I know Joe talks a lot about process over results: hopefully this is the start of Jorge getting his results.
At the very least it seems the Cardinals always bring out the best in Jorge. If he has to pick just one team to consistently dominate, I'd say he's made the right choice. Feels like he deposits one onto the grass beyond the CF wall every time they go down there.
I'd like to see him get hotter than a freshly fucked fox in a flaming, fuel-fed forest fire from here until about November. I'll just walk around the internet with both middle fingers held up. Maybe get a Soler tattoo or something drastic before he blows up the sun.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 25, 2016, 07:55:02 AM
I'd like to see him get hotter than a freshly fucked fox in a flaming, fuel-fed forest fire from here until about November. I'll just walk around the internet with both middle fingers held up. Maybe get a Soler tattoo or something drastic before he blows up the sun.
If Jorge posts an OPS over .800 this season I demand this go right onto your left cheek:
(http://i.imgur.com/wWazjRY.jpg)
Quote from: SKO on May 25, 2016, 08:02:21 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 25, 2016, 07:55:02 AM
I'd like to see him get hotter than a freshly fucked fox in a flaming, fuel-fed forest fire from here until about November. I'll just walk around the internet with both middle fingers held up. Maybe get a Soler tattoo or something drastic before he blows up the sun.
If Jorge posts an OPS over .800 this season I demand this go right onto your left cheek:
(http://i.imgur.com/wWazjRY.jpg)
1.000 and a World Series title and I swear it will be done.
This guy's fucking hamstrings.
Quote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 09:42:44 PM
This guy's fucking hamstrings.
Tommy Birch took a break from getting swept up in prostitution stings to tweet that Albert Almora is likely to come up if Soler goes on the DL. So I guess we'll get a preview of next year and a head to head comparison with Dex. Hopefully Jorge is fine though.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 07, 2016, 01:59:32 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 09:42:44 PM
This guy's fucking hamstrings.
Tommy Birch took a break from getting swept up in prostitution stings to tweet that Albert Almora is likely to come up if Soler goes on the DL. So I guess we'll get a preview of next year and a head to head comparison with Dex. Hopefully Jorge is fine though.
Other than being a late-inning defensive replacement--which might actually be more useful in September--I don't see where Almora plays. Dumb. Leave him in Iowa and see if he can continue to hit. If Soler goes on the DL, I'm not sure who gets called up (and they still have Federlosericz on the bench(!)) but this could just mean a little more consistent playing time for Baez. Plus, I'm thinking Javy could use the reps in LF.
Quote from: PANK! on June 07, 2016, 06:17:58 AM
Quote from: Saul Goodman on June 07, 2016, 01:59:32 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 06, 2016, 09:42:44 PM
This guy's fucking hamstrings.
Tommy Birch took a break from getting swept up in prostitution stings to tweet that Albert Almora is likely to come up if Soler goes on the DL. So I guess we'll get a preview of next year and a head to head comparison with Dex. Hopefully Jorge is fine though.
Other than being a late-inning defensive replacement--which might actually be more useful in September--I don't see where Almora plays. Dumb. Leave him in Iowa and see if he can continue to hit. If Soler goes on the DL, I'm not sure who gets called up (and they still have Federlosericz on the bench(!)) but this could just mean a little more consistent playing time for Baez. Plus, I'm thinking Javy could use the reps in LF.
SQDPD
Alcantara's gotten up to .263. He still sucks (.318 OBP...though his .438 SLG is not fugly) but I'd rather they call him back up and see if he can get going. He's wouldn't play much anyway and would, I'm thinking, just provide coverage for Baez if Javy plays LF for the better part of 2-3 weeks so I'd prefer to see that.
Side Note: I see Contreras' 2-for-2 last night elevated his average to .343. Willson's OPS is 1.026 (!). When is their next game in an American league park?
I just want to point out that Zobrist has played 340 games in RF and 111 in LF, compared to 666 games played at second base in his career.
I'd rather see the Cubs put Zobrist out there and let Baez dazzle us in the middle infield.
Quote from: Canadouche on June 07, 2016, 07:26:31 AM
I just want to point out that Zobrist has played 340 games in RF and 111 in LF, compared to 666 games played at second base in his career.
I'd rather see the Cubs put Zobrist out there and let Baez dazzle us in the middle infield.
Depending on how long Jorge is out, this is probably fine. I think either way at this point they're getting an OF at the deadline. If Josh Reddick is back from his injury and hitting by then, great. Otherwise as Andy suggested the other day I think we may be looking at Jabe Ruce, Cub. Even if Jorge is hitting by then trusting him to be healthy come October is a gamble.
For right now if Jorge is just out a 2 week DL stint, then call up Almora to play a couple games, be late inning defense, and yeah, do Baez/La Stella in the IF and Zobrist or Bryant in left for a few weeks.
Wouldn't Baez at 3B and Bryant in LF make more sense if Soler is going to be out for any amount of time?
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:15:39 AM
Wouldn't Baez at 3B and Bryant in LF make more sense if Soler is going to be out for any amount of time?
For a while, but I'd probably want them to hedge their bets there with an actual outfielder, especially because as flashy and fun as Javy can be it's not like he's exactly setting the world on fire with an 80 wRC+. He's a super sub who might be something more, but I'm not going to bank my title hopes on him developing into an every day player.
With Russell struggling, their offense would suddenly be getting below average offense at RF, SS, 3B, and catcher. Heyward looks like he's maybe rounding the corner a bit, and I'm not betting on Russell staying down for long, but I'd still want a bit more insurance in the OF with a veteran bat.
Quote from: SKO on June 07, 2016, 08:23:08 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:15:39 AM
Wouldn't Baez at 3B and Bryant in LF make more sense if Soler is going to be out for any amount of time?
For a while, but I'd probably want them to hedge their bets there with an actual outfielder, especially because as flashy and fun as Javy can be it's not like he's exactly setting the world on fire with an 80 wRC+. He's a super sub who might be something more, but I'm not going to bank my title hopes on him developing into an every day player.
Platoon him with that little rodent LaStella.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:25:09 AM
Quote from: SKO on June 07, 2016, 08:23:08 AM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on June 07, 2016, 08:15:39 AM
Wouldn't Baez at 3B and Bryant in LF make more sense if Soler is going to be out for any amount of time?
For a while, but I'd probably want them to hedge their bets there with an actual outfielder, especially because as flashy and fun as Javy can be it's not like he's exactly setting the world on fire with an 80 wRC+. He's a super sub who might be something more, but I'm not going to bank my title hopes on him developing into an every day player.
Platoon him with that little rodent LaStella.
Yeah again not willing to bet anything this year on the performance of Tommy La Stella. Get a proven bat in the outfield. The kids will get plenty of opportunities to prove themselves, but you need a reliable fallback option. Bring me Jabe Ruce and his .922 OPS.
George Sun is back, riding high on a blistering rehab stint. Joe Nathan DFA.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on August 05, 2016, 05:18:01 PM
George Sun is back, riding high on a blistering rehab stint. Joe Nathan DFA.
Oakland pitching is a breeze after the Southern League.
Boom
Yeah so rehab stints don't mean dick
I'm sure all of baseball is overjoyed at the Cubs adding another boomstick for the stretch run.
George Sun sure does hate the Cardinals.
Thanks for the baseball that landed on my roof.
Since he came back from the DL he's hitting .379/.438/.828(!!)/1.265 with 3 walks and 5 Ks in 32 PA. I'll have to have CD run the numbers on his battle back % but it feels like he's turned a lot of 0-2 counts into 3-2 counts as well. He's not chasing anything. I hope this is an actual evolution in his game and not just a hot streak because if he can stay locked in and disciplined like this he's utterly terrifying.
Quote from: SKO on August 18, 2016, 07:42:12 AM
Since he came back from the DL he's hitting .379/.438/.828(!!)/1.265 with 3 walks and 5 Ks in 32 PA. I'll have to have CD run the numbers on his battle back % but it feels like he's turned a lot of 0-2 counts into 3-2 counts as well. He's not chasing anything. I hope this is an actual evolution in his game and not just a hot streak because if he can stay locked in and disciplined like this he's utterly terrifying.
I've noticed a lot of patience and good pitch recognition in his approach since coming back, but it also looked like a continuation from his approach before he got hurt. And that is the evolution in his game that we thought we were witnessing. I want to see this sustained for a bit longer, but right now he's got to be in the lineup over Heyward.
Quote from: SKO on August 18, 2016, 07:42:12 AM
Since he came back from the DL he's hitting .379/.438/.828(!!)/1.265 with 3 walks and 5 Ks in 32 PA. I'll have to have CD run the numbers on his battle back % but it feels like he's turned a lot of 0-2 counts into 3-2 counts as well. He's not chasing anything. I hope this is an actual evolution in his game and not just a hot streak because if he can stay locked in and disciplined like this he's utterly terrifying.
On base in every game that he's started
Quote from: Yeti on August 18, 2016, 08:47:47 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 18, 2016, 07:42:12 AM
Since he came back from the DL he's hitting .379/.438/.828(!!)/1.265 with 3 walks and 5 Ks in 32 PA. I'll have to have CD run the numbers on his battle back % but it feels like he's turned a lot of 0-2 counts into 3-2 counts as well. He's not chasing anything. I hope this is an actual evolution in his game and not just a hot streak because if he can stay locked in and disciplined like this he's utterly terrifying.
On base in every game that he's started
Just imagine his/Javy's/Albert's/Willson's continued development for next year and throw in a healthy Schwarber and this team's going to do even more curb-stomping than this year. If anyone's rich on this site, start sending money to the Commish to get us the dh in the NL for '17.
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 18, 2016, 09:49:26 AM
Quote from: Yeti on August 18, 2016, 08:47:47 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 18, 2016, 07:42:12 AM
Since he came back from the DL he's hitting .379/.438/.828(!!)/1.265 with 3 walks and 5 Ks in 32 PA. I'll have to have CD run the numbers on his battle back % but it feels like he's turned a lot of 0-2 counts into 3-2 counts as well. He's not chasing anything. I hope this is an actual evolution in his game and not just a hot streak because if he can stay locked in and disciplined like this he's utterly terrifying.
On base in every game that he's started
Just imagine his/Javy's/Albert's/Willson's continued development for next year and throw in a healthy Schwarber and this team's going to do even more curb-stomping than this year. If anyone's rich on this site, start sending money to the Commish to get us the dh in the NL for '17.
Still won't be able to score with the bases loaded tho, amirite?
Quote from: SKO on August 18, 2016, 07:42:12 AM
Since he came back from the DL he's hitting .379/.438/.828(!!)/1.265 with 3 walks and 5 Ks in 32 PA. I'll have to have CD run the numbers on his battle back % but it feels like he's turned a lot of 0-2 counts into 3-2 counts as well. He's not chasing anything. I hope this is an actual evolution in his game and not just a hot streak because if he can stay locked in and disciplined like this he's utterly terrifying.
Since August 1st, he's gotten behind 0-2/1-2 in 14 of his 32 PAs and battled back in 5 of them. Among players who've had at least 25 total PAs this month, that rate of 35.7% would put George in a tie for 4th in the MLB. Zobrist (7/22, 31.8%) and Fowler (7/24, 29.2%) are also in the top 20.
The Cubs as a team are third in battle back% at 17.6% since the start of the month (38/216). They trail the Cards (43/228, 18.9%) and Rockies (42/236, 17.8%).
Quote from: ChuckD on August 18, 2016, 10:22:53 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 18, 2016, 07:42:12 AM
Since he came back from the DL he's hitting .379/.438/.828(!!)/1.265 with 3 walks and 5 Ks in 32 PA. I'll have to have CD run the numbers on his battle back % but it feels like he's turned a lot of 0-2 counts into 3-2 counts as well. He's not chasing anything. I hope this is an actual evolution in his game and not just a hot streak because if he can stay locked in and disciplined like this he's utterly terrifying.
Since August 1st, he's gotten behind 0-2/1-2 in 14 of his 32 PAs and battled back in 5 of them. Among players who've had at least 25 total PAs this month, that rate of 35.7% would put George in a tie for 4th in the MLB. Zobrist (7/22, 31.8%) and Fowler (7/24, 29.2%) are also in the top 20.
The Cubs as a team are third in battle back% at 17.6% since the start of the month (38/216). They trail the Cards (43/228, 18.9%) and Rockies (42/236, 17.8%).
That feels about right. George doing an even better job of not chasing than Zobrist. If he can just keep spitting on those breaking balls on the dirt, highly erotic things are going to keep happening.
Quote from: LaStella's Beef on August 18, 2016, 10:05:58 AM
Quote from: WTB...A RING FFS!! on August 18, 2016, 09:49:26 AM
Quote from: Yeti on August 18, 2016, 08:47:47 AM
Quote from: SKO on August 18, 2016, 07:42:12 AM
Since he came back from the DL he's hitting .379/.438/.828(!!)/1.265 with 3 walks and 5 Ks in 32 PA. I'll have to have CD run the numbers on his battle back % but it feels like he's turned a lot of 0-2 counts into 3-2 counts as well. He's not chasing anything. I hope this is an actual evolution in his game and not just a hot streak because if he can stay locked in and disciplined like this he's utterly terrifying.
On base in every game that he's started
Just imagine his/Javy's/Albert's/Willson's continued development for next year and throw in a healthy Schwarber and this team's going to do even more curb-stomping than this year. If anyone's rich on this site, start sending money to the Commish to get us the dh in the NL for '17.
Still won't be able to score with the bases loaded tho, amirite?
Continued development means at least 1 of them should be able to amirite?
That was decent
According to some guy on the internet, Soler has an OPS of 1.003 since May 18th.
Quote from: Yeti on September 15, 2016, 07:38:21 PM
That was decent
I'm not sure I've ever seen a ball hit harder than that.
Quote from: Tonker on September 16, 2016, 01:33:37 AM
Quote from: Yeti on September 15, 2016, 07:38:21 PM
That was decent
I'm not sure I've ever seen a ball hit harder than that.
According to StatCast, he had a 116 mph double last year.
Quote from: Tonker on September 16, 2016, 06:30:51 AM
Quote from: Yeti on September 16, 2016, 06:12:46 AM
Quote from: Tonker on September 16, 2016, 01:33:37 AM
Quote from: Yeti on September 15, 2016, 07:38:21 PM
That was decent
I'm not sure I've ever seen a ball hit harder than that.
According to StatCast, he had a 116 mph double last year.
I didn't see that one.
Did you see this one? http://www.hittrackeronline.com/historic.php?id=2000_1
Quote from: ChuckD on September 16, 2016, 08:37:44 AM
Quote from: Tonker on September 16, 2016, 06:30:51 AM
Quote from: Yeti on September 16, 2016, 06:12:46 AM
Quote from: Tonker on September 16, 2016, 01:33:37 AM
Quote from: Yeti on September 15, 2016, 07:38:21 PM
That was decent
I'm not sure I've ever seen a ball hit harder than that.
According to StatCast, he had a 116 mph double last year.
I didn't see that one.
Did you see this one? http://www.hittrackeronline.com/historic.php?id=2000_1
Yes, but I wasn't sure it was harder. I stand by my original assertion.
Alright, time to pack this thread up and send it to KC. Eli can sign for it.
Quote from: SKO on December 07, 2016, 01:06:05 PM
Alright, time to pack this thread up and send it to KC. Eli can sign for it.
COD, payable to
Captain Mack Infanta George Sun Denny's Arroz Con Pollo....ehh, forget it.
This is probably for the best.
I hope he turns into the stud he shows signs of becoming.
Especially if he can stick it to St. Louis six times per year.
Thanks for Wade Avis!
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Quote from: Brownie on December 07, 2016, 01:32:53 PM
I hope he turns into the stud he shows signs of becoming.
Especially if he can stick it to St. Louis six times per year.
Al long as his hamstrings don't make the El Kabong sound, he'll be a good ballplayer in KC.
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on December 08, 2016, 03:46:02 PM
Quote from: Brownie on December 07, 2016, 01:32:53 PM
I hope he turns into the stud he shows signs of becoming.
Especially if he can stick it to St. Louis six times per year.
Al long as his hamstrings don't make the El Kabong sound, he'll be a good ballplayer in KC.
The
whole Al long? That's not what I heard.
Quote from: Saul Goodman on December 08, 2016, 04:46:13 PM
Quote from: Quality Start Machine on December 08, 2016, 03:46:02 PM
Quote from: Brownie on December 07, 2016, 01:32:53 PM
I hope he turns into the stud he shows signs of becoming.
Especially if he can stick it to St. Louis six times per year.
Al long as his hamstrings don't make the El Kabong sound, he'll be a good ballplayer in KC.
The whole Al long? That's not what I heard.
Al's long bologna.
21 blasts of splooge
Quote from: BBM on June 25, 2019, 09:50:16 PM
21 blasts of splooge
And a wRC+ of 107. If he gets under 100, I'll be genuinely impressed - that's some tough sledding.