If you remember the movie the best one word description was "quirky". The TV show goes beyond quirky to "bizarre". I would like to say that there was a coherent strain to the writing. I can't. It is as though a committee was appointed to write it and the only rules were to place it in Minnesota, have a female cop, a ruthless villain, and a lot of gore. Sometimes it is funny, other times it is turn your head away violent. Martin Freeman was the connecting thread in the first show. He plays it strictly for laughs. Billy Bob Thornton is the ruthless killer. No laughs. Colin Hanks got top billing. He was in it for only the last two minutes of the hour and a half. Keith Carradine plays the lady cop's father. A bunch of people play stereotypical victims. I will watch it next week because it is well plotted and is well produced. But if the next episode is like the first it will probably lose me.
No, Stew.
Quote from: CBStew on April 15, 2014, 11:04:56 PM
If you remember the movie the best one word description was "quirky".
When was the last time you watched the film? I think it might be a lot darker than you remember.
Quote from: CBStew on April 15, 2014, 11:04:56 PM
Sometimes it is funny, other times it is turn your head away violent.
More or less nailing the tone of the film.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on April 15, 2014, 11:47:03 PM
No, Stew.
Quote from: CBStew on April 15, 2014, 11:04:56 PM
If you remember the movie the best one word description was "quirky".
When was the last time you watched the film? I think it might be a lot darker than you remember.
Quote from: CBStew on April 15, 2014, 11:04:56 PM
Sometimes it is funny, other times it is turn your head away violent.
More or less nailing the tone of the film.
A woman gets bashed on the head with a ball peen hammer. Before she falls to the floor she crosses her eyes. I gasped and laughed simultaneously.
Quote from: CBStew on April 16, 2014, 11:39:07 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on April 15, 2014, 11:47:03 PM
No, Stew.
Quote from: CBStew on April 15, 2014, 11:04:56 PM
If you remember the movie the best one word description was "quirky".
When was the last time you watched the film? I think it might be a lot darker than you remember.
Quote from: CBStew on April 15, 2014, 11:04:56 PM
Sometimes it is funny, other times it is turn your head away violent.
More or less nailing the tone of the film.
A woman gets bashed on the head with a ball peen hammer. Before she falls to the floor she crosses her eyes. I gasped and laughed simultaneously.
(http://i.imgur.com/Mz9zPch.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/RPAmUYh.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Bb6wPP5.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ZE0MWyj.jpg)
So, I've never seen the film. I know, right!? I play my character so perfectly. Anyway, fear not, it's on the DVR awaiting a viewing shortly.
However, I did watch the first episode of the boobtoob series and I freaking loved it. It killed me how they use polite underhanded insults ALL THE TIME, EH?
I can't tell you if I've ever laughed at a middle aged woman getting bludgeoned to death via ball peen hammer to the skull, but I can tell you that's the first time I've laughed hysterically at someone doing it while saying "Ah, geez" every time they swung.
Great pilot, I'm all in.
ETA: Saw the film yesterday, loved it. So, there.
"Sir! Your unguent!"
I am loving the shit out of this show (pun intended).
I saw the pilot last night. I'm interested but I too have an aversion to all the gore. I know I watch a lot of violent shit and this shouldn't bother me but it kind of does. I'm not sure why.
Well written and produced. Good show. We'll see how it goes in Episode 2.
Quote from: InternetApex on April 25, 2014, 10:17:13 AM
I saw the pilot last night. I'm interested but I too have an aversion to all the gore. I know I watch a lot of violent shit and this shouldn't bother me but it kind of does. I'm not sure why.
Well written and produced. Good show. We'll see how it goes in Episode 2.
I will say I really enjoyed the second episode and at the risk of being an RV, you should go watch it now.
But I also have to say, I'm a little confused with the comments on the gore. Not to say that the pilot wasn't gory but as most of the people I know who watch this show are also devoted fans of Justified, I'm kind of curious as to why the gore in this show bothers you enough to be a potential turn off, as opposed to the equally gory (in my opinion) and relatively uncommented upon (at least here) fate of poor Mr. Picker.
Has Justified simply earned enough goodwill at this point for you to overlook that, or is it more about the characters that the violence is being visited upon? Obviously you might feel differently about a brutally violent end for a ruthless gangster than for an innocent (albeit annoying) housewife and an extremely likable small town Sheriff.
Quote from: CT III on April 25, 2014, 11:59:33 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 25, 2014, 10:17:13 AM
I saw the pilot last night. I'm interested but I too have an aversion to all the gore. I know I watch a lot of violent shit and this shouldn't bother me but it kind of does. I'm not sure why.
Well written and produced. Good show. We'll see how it goes in Episode 2.
I will say I really enjoyed the second episode and at the risk of being an RV, you should go watch it now.
But I also have to say, I'm a little confused with the comments on the gore. Not to say that the pilot wasn't gory but as most of the people I know who watch this show are also devoted fans of Justified, I'm kind of curious as to why the gore in this show bothers you enough to be a potential turn off, as opposed to the equally gory (in my opinion) and relatively uncommented upon (at least here) fate of poor Mr. Picker.
Has Justified simply earned enough goodwill at this point for you to overlook that, or is it more about the characters that the violence is being visited upon? Obviously you might feel differently about a brutally violent end for a ruthless gangster than for an innocent (albeit annoying) housewife and an extremely likable small town Sheriff.
I guess that if you live/work in Minnesota, you travel with a drill that will cut a 2 foot diameter hole in the ice of a frozen lake so that you can take someone out of the trunk of your car and slide him in.
Quote from: CBStew on April 25, 2014, 01:35:55 PM
Quote from: CT III on April 25, 2014, 11:59:33 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 25, 2014, 10:17:13 AM
I saw the pilot last night. I'm interested but I too have an aversion to all the gore. I know I watch a lot of violent shit and this shouldn't bother me but it kind of does. I'm not sure why.
Well written and produced. Good show. We'll see how it goes in Episode 2.
I will say I really enjoyed the second episode and at the risk of being an RV, you should go watch it now.
But I also have to say, I'm a little confused with the comments on the gore. Not to say that the pilot wasn't gory but as most of the people I know who watch this show are also devoted fans of Justified, I'm kind of curious as to why the gore in this show bothers you enough to be a potential turn off, as opposed to the equally gory (in my opinion) and relatively uncommented upon (at least here) fate of poor Mr. Picker.
Has Justified simply earned enough goodwill at this point for you to overlook that, or is it more about the characters that the violence is being visited upon? Obviously you might feel differently about a brutally violent end for a ruthless gangster than for an innocent (albeit annoying) housewife and an extremely likable small town Sheriff.
I guess that if you live/work in Minnesota, you travel with a drill that will cut a 2 foot diameter hole in the ice of a frozen lake so that you can take someone out of the trunk of your car and slide him in.
Well, it's probably intended for fishermen but I guess once you drill the hole you can do whatever you want with it.
Quote from: CT III on April 25, 2014, 02:21:59 PM
Quote from: CBStew on April 25, 2014, 01:35:55 PM
Quote from: CT III on April 25, 2014, 11:59:33 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 25, 2014, 10:17:13 AM
I saw the pilot last night. I'm interested but I too have an aversion to all the gore. I know I watch a lot of violent shit and this shouldn't bother me but it kind of does. I'm not sure why.
Well written and produced. Good show. We'll see how it goes in Episode 2.
I will say I really enjoyed the second episode and at the risk of being an RV, you should go watch it now.
But I also have to say, I'm a little confused with the comments on the gore. Not to say that the pilot wasn't gory but as most of the people I know who watch this show are also devoted fans of Justified, I'm kind of curious as to why the gore in this show bothers you enough to be a potential turn off, as opposed to the equally gory (in my opinion) and relatively uncommented upon (at least here) fate of poor Mr. Picker.
Has Justified simply earned enough goodwill at this point for you to overlook that, or is it more about the characters that the violence is being visited upon? Obviously you might feel differently about a brutally violent end for a ruthless gangster than for an innocent (albeit annoying) housewife and an extremely likable small town Sheriff.
I guess that if you live/work in Minnesota, you travel with a drill that will cut a 2 foot diameter hole in the ice of a frozen lake so that you can take someone out of the trunk of your car and slide him in.
Well, it's probably intended for fishermen but I guess once you drill the hole you can do whatever you want with it.
Indeed. (http://www.amazon.com/b?node=3473421)
And those guys seem capable enough to plan ahead, expecting that they might just wind up with a body or two in need of ditching down an ice hole.
Quote from: CT III on April 25, 2014, 02:21:59 PM
Quote from: CBStew on April 25, 2014, 01:35:55 PM
Quote from: CT III on April 25, 2014, 11:59:33 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 25, 2014, 10:17:13 AM
I saw the pilot last night. I'm interested but I too have an aversion to all the gore. I know I watch a lot of violent shit and this shouldn't bother me but it kind of does. I'm not sure why.
Well written and produced. Good show. We'll see how it goes in Episode 2.
I will say I really enjoyed the second episode and at the risk of being an RV, you should go watch it now.
But I also have to say, I'm a little confused with the comments on the gore. Not to say that the pilot wasn't gory but as most of the people I know who watch this show are also devoted fans of Justified, I'm kind of curious as to why the gore in this show bothers you enough to be a potential turn off, as opposed to the equally gory (in my opinion) and relatively uncommented upon (at least here) fate of poor Mr. Picker.
Has Justified simply earned enough goodwill at this point for you to overlook that, or is it more about the characters that the violence is being visited upon? Obviously you might feel differently about a brutally violent end for a ruthless gangster than for an innocent (albeit annoying) housewife and an extremely likable small town Sheriff.
I guess that if you live/work in Minnesota, you travel with a drill that will cut a 2 foot diameter hole in the ice of a frozen lake so that you can take someone out of the trunk of your car and slide him in.
Well, it's probably intended for fishermen but I guess once you drill the hole you can do whatever you want with it.
Maybe they run late night infomercials on TV highlighting the various uses?
Quote from: CT III on April 25, 2014, 11:59:33 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on April 25, 2014, 10:17:13 AM
I saw the pilot last night. I'm interested but I too have an aversion to all the gore. I know I watch a lot of violent shit and this shouldn't bother me but it kind of does. I'm not sure why.
Well written and produced. Good show. We'll see how it goes in Episode 2.
I will say I really enjoyed the second episode and at the risk of being an RV, you should go watch it now.
But I also have to say, I'm a little confused with the comments on the gore. Not to say that the pilot wasn't gory but as most of the people I know who watch this show are also devoted fans of Justified, I'm kind of curious as to why the gore in this show bothers you enough to be a potential turn off, as opposed to the equally gory (in my opinion) and relatively uncommented upon (at least here) fate of poor Mr. Picker.
Has Justified simply earned enough goodwill at this point for you to overlook that, or is it more about the characters that the violence is being visited upon? Obviously you might feel differently about a brutally violent end for a ruthless gangster than for an innocent (albeit annoying) housewife and an extremely likable small town Sheriff.
I'm almost positive it's THI.
DPD
Ok. I saw it! It was excellent. I'm in.
So, that painting of an ice scraper in Stavros' office...
Did La Mercado Rey's seed money come from the briefcase Carl Showalter buried before his untimely demise in the film?
(http://i.imgur.com/3KdSA4l.jpg)
On second blush, that looked like it might have been an actual ice scraper proudly displayed in a frame.
Which would make it seem even more like a trophy.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on April 29, 2014, 11:19:02 PM
On second blush, that looked like it might have been an actual ice scraper proudly displayed in a frame.
Which would make it seem even more like a trophy.
I haven't seen the movie in some time, so I'd forgotten about the ice scraper. But yeah, I'd say your theory is solid.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on April 29, 2014, 10:05:59 PM
So, that painting of an ice scraper in Stavros' office...
Did La Mercado Rey's seed money come from the briefcase Carl Showalter buried before his untimely demise in the film?
(http://i.imgur.com/3KdSA4l.jpg)
I positive this theory.
In fact, one of the first things I thought about when the credits rolled on the movie was "What happened to the guy who got shot in the face's briefcase full of money?"
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 30, 2014, 01:34:25 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on April 29, 2014, 10:05:59 PM
So, that painting of an ice scraper in Stavros' office...
Did La Mercado Rey's seed money come from the briefcase Carl Showalter buried before his untimely demise in the film?
(http://i.imgur.com/3KdSA4l.jpg)
I positive this theory.
In fact, one of the first things I thought about when the credits rolled on the movie was "What happened to the guy who got shot in the face's briefcase full of money?"
Semi-relevant (http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2003/jun/06/artsfeatures1), albeit urban legend-y (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takako_Konishi_%28office_worker%29).
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on April 30, 2014, 01:44:39 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 30, 2014, 01:34:25 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on April 29, 2014, 10:05:59 PM
So, that painting of an ice scraper in Stavros' office…
Did La Mercado Rey's seed money come from the briefcase Carl Showalter buried before his untimely demise in the film?
(http://i.imgur.com/3KdSA4l.jpg)
I positive this theory.
In fact, one of the first things I thought about when the credits rolled on the movie was "What happened to the guy who got shot in the face's briefcase full of money?"
Semi-relevant (http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2003/jun/06/artsfeatures1), albeit urban legend-y (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takako_Konishi_%28office_worker%29).
Halfway into your first link and it's like its very own Fargo 2.
I saw Episode 3 last night and I think that was definitely a picture of an ice scraper and not an actual ice scraper. I'm not even sure it's the same kind of ice scraper.
[ Drops mic. Puts on cape. Walks off stage. ]
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 07, 2014, 12:39:53 AM
[ Drops mic. Puts on cape. Walks off stage. ]
Well done, Tank.
"That guy's always sick. What does he have the cancer? Over"
"Ya, leukemia, over"
I'd probably watch an entire show that revolved around the adventures of Mr. Numbers and Mr. Wrench. Do Mormons really like to be watched while they eat?
Finally, does anyone else think that Sheriff Bill has crossed the line from "willfully ignorant" to "probably involved in this"?
Quote from: CT III on May 07, 2014, 10:39:23 PM
I'd probably watch an entire show that revolved around the adventures of Mr. Numbers and Mr. Wrench.
Adam Goldberg's grin at the end was priceless.
Quote from: CT III on May 07, 2014, 10:39:23 PM
Finally, does anyone else think that Sheriff Bill has crossed the line from "willfully ignorant" to "probably involved in this"?
That thought hadn't occurred to me.
Incompetence and rank-pulling butthurt aside, I thought Bill seemed surprisingly earnest in the interrogation room.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 07, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 07, 2014, 10:39:23 PM
I'd probably watch an entire show that revolved around the adventures of Mr. Numbers and Mr. Wrench.
Adam Goldberg's grin at the end was priceless.
Quote from: CT III on May 07, 2014, 10:39:23 PM
Finally, does anyone else think that Sheriff Bill has crossed the line from "willfully ignorant" to "probably involved in this"?
That thought hadn't occurred to me.
Incompetence and rank-pulling butthurt aside, I thought Bill seemed surprisingly earnest in the interrogation room.
I may be overanalyzing, but it seemed like for a second he recognized Malvo. I should clarify - I'm not saying I think Bill is directly involved in the murders, but the organization Malvo takes assignments from is obviously pretty sophisticated, and you'd think they'd have to have some cops on the take in order to operate as they do.
Or I could be reading it totally wrong. For as incompetent as we all see Bill, his basic theory of the crime is correct - the murders of the guy in the woods, the sheriff and Hess ARE all the work of a drifter, the latter two the result of a completely coincidental meeting between Lester and Malvo in ER.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 07, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 07, 2014, 10:39:23 PM
I'd probably watch an entire show that revolved around the adventures of Mr. Numbers and Mr. Wrench.
Adam Goldberg's grin at the end was priceless.
Quote from: CT III on May 07, 2014, 10:39:23 PM
Finally, does anyone else think that Sheriff Bill has crossed the line from "willfully ignorant" to "probably involved in this"?
That thought hadn't occurred to me.
Incompetence and rank-pulling butthurt aside, I thought Bill seemed surprisingly earnest in the interrogation room.
He's in on it.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 11, 2014, 06:30:16 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 07, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 07, 2014, 10:39:23 PM
I'd probably watch an entire show that revolved around the adventures of Mr. Numbers and Mr. Wrench.
Adam Goldberg's grin at the end was priceless.
Quote from: CT III on May 07, 2014, 10:39:23 PM
Finally, does anyone else think that Sheriff Bill has crossed the line from "willfully ignorant" to "probably involved in this"?
That thought hadn't occurred to me.
Incompetence and rank-pulling butthurt aside, I thought Bill seemed surprisingly earnest in the interrogation room.
He's in on it.
In on what? Malvo's Rundle Realty operation? Numbers'/Wrench's/Hess' Fargo operation? Lester's sadsack operation?
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 12, 2014, 12:30:47 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 11, 2014, 06:30:16 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 07, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
Quote from: CT III on May 07, 2014, 10:39:23 PM
I'd probably watch an entire show that revolved around the adventures of Mr. Numbers and Mr. Wrench.
Adam Goldberg's grin at the end was priceless.
Quote from: CT III on May 07, 2014, 10:39:23 PM
Finally, does anyone else think that Sheriff Bill has crossed the line from "willfully ignorant" to "probably involved in this"?
That thought hadn't occurred to me.
Incompetence and rank-pulling butthurt aside, I thought Bill seemed surprisingly earnest in the interrogation room.
He's in on it.
In on what? Malvo's Rundle Realty operation? Numbers'/Wrench's/Hess' Fargo operation? Lester's sadsack operation?
He knows who Malvo is and why he was in town. He's protecting someone.
Fuck ok so we're about to watch ep. 5, I think.
I skipped over the last few comments but this show is fantastic. Also how can Stew think there's no humor to Billy Bob's character? He's actually maybe one of the driest, funniest characters in the show.
I also enjoy telling my wife that this is what became of her people once they moved to the US.
Quote from: Slaky on May 19, 2014, 09:17:46 AM
Fuck ok so we're about to watch ep. 5, I think.
I skipped over the last few comments but this show is fantastic. Also how can Stew think there's no humor to Billy Bob's character? He's actually maybe one of the driest, funniest characters in the show.
I also enjoy telling my wife that this is what became of her people once they moved to the US.
His humor is vicious, sadistic, and sarcastic. I think that it is chilling. The Colin Hanks character is so outmatched I feel sorry for him whenever he shares a scene with Thornton.
Well, shit.
That was fucking bleak.
Didn't see that coming
I bet she's not dead. This is a quiet moment by a hospital bed praying she wakes up in the making.
Hang in there, boys.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 23, 2014, 12:47:26 PM
I bet she's not dead. This is a quiet moment by a hospital bed praying she wakes up in the making.
Hang in there, boys.
I certainly hope so (and they clearly left the door open enough).
On the one hand, killing her would be some seriously bold writing. On the other hand, I liked her and would be sad to see her gone. And Sadsack Gus, too. That would suck for him.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 27, 2014, 05:59:06 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 23, 2014, 12:47:26 PM
I bet she's not dead. This is a quiet moment by a hospital bed praying she wakes up in the making.
Hang in there, boys.
I certainly hope so (and they clearly left the door open enough).
On the one hand, killing her would be some seriously bold writing. On the other hand, I liked her and would be sad to see her gone. And Sadsack Gus, too. That would suck for him.
See?
Quote from: InternetApex on May 28, 2014, 10:41:04 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 27, 2014, 05:59:06 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 23, 2014, 12:47:26 PM
I bet she's not dead. This is a quiet moment by a hospital bed praying she wakes up in the making.
Hang in there, boys.
I certainly hope so (and they clearly left the door open enough).
On the one hand, killing her would be some seriously bold writing. On the other hand, I liked her and would be sad to see her gone. And Sadsack Gus, too. That would suck for him.
See?
Yeah, I wasn't really worried that she had been killed. Martin Freeman's character's transformation from sadsack dope to pure evil has been so natural it's frightening.
Quote from: CT III on May 28, 2014, 11:13:19 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 28, 2014, 10:41:04 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 27, 2014, 05:59:06 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 23, 2014, 12:47:26 PM
I bet she's not dead. This is a quiet moment by a hospital bed praying she wakes up in the making.
Hang in there, boys.
I certainly hope so (and they clearly left the door open enough).
On the one hand, killing her would be some seriously bold writing. On the other hand, I liked her and would be sad to see her gone. And Sadsack Gus, too. That would suck for him.
See?
Yeah, I wasn't really worried that she had been killed. Martin Freeman's character's transformation from sadsack dope to pure evil has been so natural it's frightening.
Don't you have the feeling that if you get in a fight that you want him on your side?
Quote from: CBStew on May 28, 2014, 11:26:27 AM
Quote from: CT III on May 28, 2014, 11:13:19 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 28, 2014, 10:41:04 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 27, 2014, 05:59:06 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 23, 2014, 12:47:26 PM
I bet she's not dead. This is a quiet moment by a hospital bed praying she wakes up in the making.
Hang in there, boys.
I certainly hope so (and they clearly left the door open enough).
On the one hand, killing her would be some seriously bold writing. On the other hand, I liked her and would be sad to see her gone. And Sadsack Gus, too. That would suck for him.
See?
Yeah, I wasn't really worried that she had been killed. Martin Freeman's character's transformation from sadsack dope to pure evil has been so natural it's frightening.
Don't you have the feeling that if you get in a fight that you want him on your side?
No. Guy killed his wife and framed his brother for it. I don't want him anywhere near "my side." Nor Malvo. That can't possibly end well. I'll take Molly into a battle if I have to choose one character.
Quote from: InternetApex on May 28, 2014, 11:38:10 AM
Quote from: CBStew on May 28, 2014, 11:26:27 AM
Quote from: CT III on May 28, 2014, 11:13:19 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 28, 2014, 10:41:04 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on May 27, 2014, 05:59:06 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on May 23, 2014, 12:47:26 PM
I bet she's not dead. This is a quiet moment by a hospital bed praying she wakes up in the making.
Hang in there, boys.
I certainly hope so (and they clearly left the door open enough).
On the one hand, killing her would be some seriously bold writing. On the other hand, I liked her and would be sad to see her gone. And Sadsack Gus, too. That would suck for him.
See?
Yeah, I wasn't really worried that she had been killed. Martin Freeman's character's transformation from sadsack dope to pure evil has been so natural it's frightening.
Don't you have the feeling that if you get in a fight that you want him on your side?
No. Guy killed his wife and framed his brother for it. I don't want him anywhere near "my side."
Anyone can have a bad day.
What just happened?
Quote from: CBStew on June 04, 2014, 09:27:53 AM
What just happened?
Lester knows that Malvo knows where he is and what he's up to. And while Lester is enjoying his new alpha-male status, one guy who can knock him back to where he started is sitting in the room with him. All those feelings of fear and dread an inadequacy came flooding back due to Malvo's mere presence. Malvo doesn't even need a reason to destroy Lester. He just enjoys killing and harming people. He's a predator.
Quote from: InternetApex on June 04, 2014, 10:43:47 AM
Quote from: CBStew on June 04, 2014, 09:27:53 AM
What just happened?
Lester knows that Malvo knows where he is and what he's up to. And while Lester is enjoying his new alpha-male status, one guy who can knock him back to where he started is sitting in the room with him. All those feelings of fear and dread an inadequacy came flooding back due to Malvo's mere presence. Malvo doesn't even need a reason to destroy Lester. He just enjoys killing and harming people. He's a predator.
Also: Molly and Gus bumped uglies.
And Bill went to the ballet.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 04, 2014, 10:51:38 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 04, 2014, 10:43:47 AM
Quote from: CBStew on June 04, 2014, 09:27:53 AM
What just happened?
Lester knows that Malvo knows where he is and what he's up to. And while Lester is enjoying his new alpha-male status, one guy who can knock him back to where he started is sitting in the room with him. All those feelings of fear and dread an inadequacy came flooding back due to Malvo's mere presence. Malvo doesn't even need a reason to destroy Lester. He just enjoys killing and harming people. He's a predator.
Also: Molly and Gus bumped uglies.
And Bill went to the ballet.
And Mr. Wrench is still out there, somewhere.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 04, 2014, 10:51:38 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 04, 2014, 10:43:47 AM
Quote from: CBStew on June 04, 2014, 09:27:53 AM
What just happened?
Lester knows that Malvo knows where he is and what he's up to. And while Lester is enjoying his new alpha-male status, one guy who can knock him back to where he started is sitting in the room with him. All those feelings of fear and dread an inadequacy came flooding back due to Malvo's mere presence. Malvo doesn't even need a reason to destroy Lester. He just enjoys killing and harming people. He's a predator.
Also: Molly and Gus bumped uglies.
And Bill went to the ballet.
Ugly is in the eye of the beholder. Key and Peale are going to bust this case wide open.
Quote from: CBStew on June 04, 2014, 01:54:34 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on June 04, 2014, 10:51:38 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on June 04, 2014, 10:43:47 AM
Quote from: CBStew on June 04, 2014, 09:27:53 AM
What just happened?
Lester knows that Malvo knows where he is and what he's up to. And while Lester is enjoying his new alpha-male status, one guy who can knock him back to where he started is sitting in the room with him. All those feelings of fear and dread an inadequacy came flooding back due to Malvo's mere presence. Malvo doesn't even need a reason to destroy Lester. He just enjoys killing and harming people. He's a predator.
Also: Molly and Gus bumped uglies.
And Bill went to the ballet.
Ugly is in the eye of the beholder.
Are you saying your eyes have beheld Colin Hanks' junk?
Jesus Fucking Christ, Lester.
Quote from: CT III on June 10, 2014, 10:09:54 PM
Jesus Fucking Christ, Lester.
Now I know why I wouldn't want Lester on my side in a fight.
This was quite possibly one of the most tense hours of television I've seen in some time (granted I don't watch a ton of dramas).
From the confrontation in the elevator (is this what you want?) to the diner scene to Lester and Linda's drive to his office the whole thing was beautiful. In fact, the way the scene in the car was framed I kept expecting to see the headlights of Malvo's car come into view and t-bone Lester, killing Linda. Then they arrived at the office and it turned out what Lester had planned was much, much worse.
I hated last night's episode. The part where the Spurs shot 75.8% percent in the first half was totally not believable.
Quote from: CT III on June 10, 2014, 10:09:54 PM
Jesus Fucking Christ, Lester.
Lester bought into his own New Lester hype a little too much.
Quote from: CT III on June 11, 2014, 09:44:45 AM
This was quite possibly one of the most tense hours of television I've seen in some time (granted I don't watch a ton of dramas).
From the confrontation in the elevator (is this what you want?) to the diner scene to Lester and Linda's drive to his office the whole thing was beautiful. In fact, the way the scene in the car was framed I kept expecting to see the headlights of Malvo's car come into view and t-bone Lester, killing Linda. Then they arrived at the office and it turned out what Lester had planned was much, much worse.
"That's on you."
and
"Shit, Lester."
Quote from: flannj on June 13, 2014, 10:00:42 PM
Quote from: CT III on June 11, 2014, 09:44:45 AM
This was quite possibly one of the most tense hours of television I've seen in some time (granted I don't watch a ton of dramas).
From the confrontation in the elevator (is this what you want?) to the diner scene to Lester and Linda's drive to his office the whole thing was beautiful. In fact, the way the scene in the car was framed I kept expecting to see the headlights of Malvo's car come into view and t-bone Lester, killing Linda. Then they arrived at the office and it turned out what Lester had planned was much, much worse.
"That's on you."
and
"Shit, Lester."
I could watch Billy Bob and Wild Bill exchange old war stories for hours on end. This show is so damn good.
Quote from: R-V on June 14, 2014, 02:32:28 PM
Quote from: flannj on June 13, 2014, 10:00:42 PM
Quote from: CT III on June 11, 2014, 09:44:45 AM
This was quite possibly one of the most tense hours of television I've seen in some time (granted I don't watch a ton of dramas).
From the confrontation in the elevator (is this what you want?) to the diner scene to Lester and Linda's drive to his office the whole thing was beautiful. In fact, the way the scene in the car was framed I kept expecting to see the headlights of Malvo's car come into view and t-bone Lester, killing Linda. Then they arrived at the office and it turned out what Lester had planned was much, much worse.
"That's on you."
and
"Shit, Lester."
I could watch Billy Bob and Wild Bill exchange old war stories for hours on end. This show is so damn good.
Yep, and Lou punctuating his story of stacking bodies up in Sioux Falls with a cheerful "ever been?" cracked me right up.
Quote from: CT III on June 15, 2014, 11:37:05 AM
Quote from: R-V on June 14, 2014, 02:32:28 PM
Quote from: flannj on June 13, 2014, 10:00:42 PM
Quote from: CT III on June 11, 2014, 09:44:45 AM
This was quite possibly one of the most tense hours of television I've seen in some time (granted I don't watch a ton of dramas).
From the confrontation in the elevator (is this what you want?) to the diner scene to Lester and Linda's drive to his office the whole thing was beautiful. In fact, the way the scene in the car was framed I kept expecting to see the headlights of Malvo's car come into view and t-bone Lester, killing Linda. Then they arrived at the office and it turned out what Lester had planned was much, much worse.
"That's on you."
and
"Shit, Lester."
I could watch Billy Bob and Wild Bill exchange old war stories for hours on end. This show is so damn good.
Yep, and Lou punctuating his story of stacking bodies up in Sioux Falls with a cheerful "ever been?" cracked me right up.
I honestly can't tell if there was more to that "ever been?" or if it was just a dry joke, but I like that Lou Solverson is seemingly the only person so far not utterly cowed when Malvo turns on his quiet menace. The man's seen some shit.
I feel like I just lost two close friends.
Quote from: CBStew on June 18, 2014, 09:20:01 AM
I feel like I just lost two close friends.
Agents Rosencrantz and Guildenstern?
I thoroughly enjoyed the ending. As is the pattern these days, the penultimate episode was better than the finale, but that's a pretty tall measuring stick.
I see some noise on the internets about people being dissatisfied with Gus taking down Malvo, but it made sense to me. As much as Malvo's influence set Lester on the path from sadsack to sociopath, Molly was responsible for Gus' transformation. In the pilot, he lets Malvo go thinking he's protecting his daughter. In the end he realizes the only way he can protect his loved ones is by stopping Malvo.
Also, it surprised me at how relieved I was that Bill's just a decent guy who is in over his head as sheriff. With all the good actors on this show, I think Odenkirk's turn gets overlooked a bit. He was excellent.
Also somebody pointed me to this:
http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/television/2014/06/23/140623crte_television_nussbaum
QuoteIt certainly juices the story, by giving "Fargo" 's antihero, Lester, a motive and a history, and amplifying the evil he embraces, dramatizing it in the human (or possibly superhuman) form of Malvo.
I would think the television critic for the New Yorker would know the difference between an antihero and a goddamned antagonist.
Quote from: CT III on June 18, 2014, 01:38:21 PM
I thoroughly enjoyed the ending. As is the pattern these days, the penultimate episode was better than the finale, but that's a pretty tall measuring stick.
I see some noise on the internets about people being dissatisfied with Gus taking down Malvo, but it made sense to me. As much as Malvo's influence set Lester on the path from sadsack to sociopath, Molly was responsible for Gus' transformation. In the pilot, he lets Malvo go thinking he's protecting his daughter. In the end he realizes the only way he can protect his loved ones is by stopping Malvo.
Also, it surprised me at how relieved I was that Bill's just a decent guy who is in over his head as sheriff. With all the good actors on this show, I think Odenkirk's turn gets overlooked a bit. He was excellent.
Also somebody pointed me to this:
http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/television/2014/06/23/140623crte_television_nussbaum
QuoteIt certainly juices the story, by giving "Fargo" 's antihero, Lester, a motive and a history, and amplifying the evil he embraces, dramatizing it in the human (or possibly superhuman) form of Malvo.
I would think the television critic for the New Yorker would know the difference between an antihero and a goddamned antagonist.
Seriously. The only differences I see between Lester and Malvo is that Lester (a) isn't honest (with others or himself) about the extent of his broken moral compass (b) isn't as skilled at killing and (c) isn't as skilled at delivering menacing parables about how humans are really just animals. Otherwise they are both villains and I don't see how anyone could view either of them as any sort of hero.
Quote from: CT III on June 18, 2014, 01:38:21 PM
I thoroughly enjoyed the ending. As is the pattern these days, the penultimate episode was better than the finale, but that's a pretty tall measuring stick.
I see some noise on the internets about people being dissatisfied with Gus taking down Malvo, but it made sense to me. As much as Malvo's influence set Lester on the path from sadsack to sociopath, Molly was responsible for Gus' transformation. In the pilot, he lets Malvo go thinking he's protecting his daughter. In the end he realizes the only way he can protect his loved ones is by stopping Malvo.
Also, it surprised me at how relieved I was that Bill's just a decent guy who is in over his head as sheriff. With all the good actors on this show, I think Odenkirk's turn gets overlooked a bit. He was excellent.
Also somebody pointed me to this:
http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/television/2014/06/23/140623crte_television_nussbaum
QuoteIt certainly juices the story, by giving "Fargo" 's antihero, Lester, a motive and a history, and amplifying the evil he embraces, dramatizing it in the human (or possibly superhuman) form of Malvo.
I would think the television critic for the New Yorker would know the difference between an antihero and a goddamned antagonist.
From Wikipedia:
"The antihero[1] or antiheroine[2] is a leading character in a film, book or play who lacks the traditional heroic qualities[3][4] such as idealism,[5] courage,[5] nobility,[6] fortitude,[7] moral goodness,[8] and altruism.[citation needed]
Whereas the classical hero is larger than life, antiheroes are typically inferior to the reader in intelligence, dynamism or social purpose,[9] giving rise to what Robbe-Grillet called "these heroes without naturalness as without identity"."
Cut the New Yorker some slack. By this definition Lester is clearly an "antihero".
If "Sherlock" returns to PBS it is going to be difficult to watch Martin Freeman is the stalwart Dr. Watson.
Quote from: CT III on June 18, 2014, 01:38:21 PM
Also, it surprised me at how relieved I was that Bill's just a decent guy who is in over his head as sheriff. With all the good actors on this show, I think Odenkirk's turn gets overlooked a bit. He was excellent.
I was thinking the same thing last night.
I was also thinking that whoever styled his hair deserves an Emmy nod.
Quote from: CBStew on June 18, 2014, 02:19:04 PM
Quote from: CT III on June 18, 2014, 01:38:21 PM
I thoroughly enjoyed the ending. As is the pattern these days, the penultimate episode was better than the finale, but that's a pretty tall measuring stick.
I see some noise on the internets about people being dissatisfied with Gus taking down Malvo, but it made sense to me. As much as Malvo's influence set Lester on the path from sadsack to sociopath, Molly was responsible for Gus' transformation. In the pilot, he lets Malvo go thinking he's protecting his daughter. In the end he realizes the only way he can protect his loved ones is by stopping Malvo.
Also, it surprised me at how relieved I was that Bill's just a decent guy who is in over his head as sheriff. With all the good actors on this show, I think Odenkirk's turn gets overlooked a bit. He was excellent.
Also somebody pointed me to this:
http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/television/2014/06/23/140623crte_television_nussbaum
QuoteIt certainly juices the story, by giving "Fargo" 's antihero, Lester, a motive and a history, and amplifying the evil he embraces, dramatizing it in the human (or possibly superhuman) form of Malvo.
I would think the television critic for the New Yorker would know the difference between an antihero and a goddamned antagonist.
From Wikipedia:
"The antihero[1] or antiheroine[2] is a leading character in a film, book or play who lacks the traditional heroic qualities[3][4] such as idealism,[5] courage,[5] nobility,[6] fortitude,[7] moral goodness,[8] and altruism.[citation needed]
Whereas the classical hero is larger than life, antiheroes are typically inferior to the reader in intelligence, dynamism or social purpose,[9] giving rise to what Robbe-Grillet called "these heroes without naturalness as without identity"."
Cut the New Yorker some slack. By this definition Lester is clearly an "antihero".
If "Sherlock" returns to PBS it is going to be difficult to watch Martin Freeman is the stalwart Dr. Watson.
Except he's the antagonist. The antihero still has to be the hero of his own story. Lester doesn't manage that. Molly's the hero of this piece and by that definition I'd say Gus is the closest thing to an antihero that Fargo has.
I've also found myself wondering how a second season of this show would work.
From Sepinwall's exit interview with Noah Hawley (http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/fargo-creator-noah-hawley-talks-season-1-and-the-possibility-of-season-2/single-page):
QuoteAgain, we'll get more into the idea of possible future seasons below, but he said he loved that the ending of the movie suggests that Marge's life goes back to normal after the Lundegaard case, and that it's only interesting if this is the only case of its kind she deals with in her career, rather than her becoming a magnet for violence and bizarre criminality. So he'd be inclined to make any sequel season involve a new set of characters; when I jokingly asked if he might just spin off a different Coen brothers movie like "The Big Lebowski," he said he had a lot of ideas for the universe of "Ladykillers." (Apparently, this is a running gag with him; when Fienberg asked him a similar question on the set in Calgary, Hawley said he wanted to do "A Serious Man: The Series.")
...
The Sioux Falls case comes up a bunch of times in the series. Is that a story you're itching to tell at some point? Is that a possibility for a "Fargo" season 2: a period piece centered around a young Lou Solverson?
Noah Hawley: I really liked the idea — and you see it through the season — of a story within a story. Whether it's the parable sequence, or Molly telling the story of the gloves, or the fox and the rabbit and the cabbage, this idea that we has human beings learn by telling each other stories. It's why when you're learning math, you say "Johnny has three apples, and Billy has one apple." The idea that your story would be full of stories is important. The Sioux Falls idea was introduced in episode 2 as a way for Lou to tell Molly that he was worried about her, but he's a man of the region and he can't say, "Molly, I'm worried about you," so he basically told her a story and let her draw her own conclusion from it. And then over the course of the series, it became a more important idea, I think, that when Lou does come face to face with Malvo, he gets a sense of something he hasn't seen in a long time. I like to think that there's some leather-bound book with hand-drawn illustrations that's the history of true crime in the Midwest, and these are all stories that are taken from it.
(After the interview, I emailed Hawley to ask if he meant to imply that Malvo was the Sioux Falls killer, which had been speculated about. His reply: "Nope.")
As someone who in the past has written for ongoing series that were designed to continue for years, what was it like to do something this close-ended? Could you have set this up as the ongoing story of Molly Solverson, or would that have just watered it down too much?
Noah Hawley: I think you could have. Obviously, if you have the skill and the actors and you're telling a story that is free to digress, certainly "Mad Men" has been navigating without a traditional road map for all those years. Some of it works better for some people than others, but there's still a firm hand guiding it. But at the same time, the fact that this was designed as a close-ended story allowed me to plan it out from beginning to end. The first scene of the first episode is the first step toward the end, and everything that happens is a concrete step in that direction, and I'm able to kill off characters, or make huge dramatic moves like Lester framing his brother for murder. All of that is a step because I know where the end is. It gets a lot harder when you don't know where you're going, or you know where you're going, but you're not exactly sure how you'll get there. My fear when I spoke to FX the first time, "I said that if we turn this into a TV series where it's the continuing adventures of Molly or Marge or whoever, ultimately, it's going to feel like 'Picket Fences,' where it's just quirky and cute, and no one can ever really change, and small-town decency versus evil, no one's ever going to believe that there are real stakes.
What conversations, if any, have there been about the idea of doing a season 2, given how well this one has been perceived?
Noah Hawley: What's rewarding to me about working with FX is that while we all know it's a business, at the same time, I think we all recognize that the response to this season has been so positive because I had the time to really come up with a great story and map it out and write it all. I think we would all be more than happy to take that ride again, as long as we are confident that we can tell a story that's as good or better. And that's on me to come up with. I'm going to lay flat for a bit, and recover from this first season whirlwind, and I'm going to think about that, definitely.
More on what a Season Two might look like... (http://www.bustle.com/articles/28313-season-2-of-fargo-will-be-very-different-if-there-is-a-season-2-doncha-know)
QuoteHere's one thing we do know: a hypothetical second season will definitely NOT be a continuation of this year's plot. The convoluted case of Lester Nygaard and Lorne Malvo will come to its irrefutable conclusion Tuesday, and these characters will not be back for more. But will a second season feature any of the same characters at all? It's not likely.
Although some had theorized that detective Molly Solverson would be the single thread that tied the disparate seasons of Fargo together, it doesn't look like our can-do cop will be back for more. But why not bring back such a beloved character, especially when she could help ground a new story? Realism, Hawley says:
QuoteWe're saying it's a true story, which it isn't, but it's following a certain true story logic, and it would strain credulity I think to have the continuing adventures of Molly and Gus with [a new storyline of] 'What crazy Coen Brother case are they going to catch next time?'
...
Just because Molly, Lester, and Lorne won't be coming back for more shenanigans doesn't mean that there will be zero familiar faces if or when Fargo returns for a second season. While nothing has been set in stone at this point, it's possible that some actors will return for the new season, albeit in new roles — a la FX's other popular anthology series, American Horror Story.
There are a few actors we know won't be returning: Billy Bob Thornton only signed a one-season contract, and Bob Odenkirk is heading over to AMC to star in their Breaking Bad spinoff Better Call Saul. But that doesn't mean that no one will return. One definite possibility? Molly's portrayer Allison Tolman:
QuoteI know that they're discussing it, and discussing if they do have a second season, or a second installment in the anthology, which actors might make it through to another season. [...] I'm just kind of sitting tight until they let me know exactly what's actually happening.
...
One intriguing possibility that has been mentioned is the idea of Season 2 being a period piece. When discussing what a second season would look like, Hawley responded:
QuoteIt doesn't have to be contemporary. The sky's the limit as far as the history of true crime in Minnesota.
...
Just because next year will feature a new story with new characters doesn't mean there would be zero connection between the two seasons. Hawley has mentioned that Season 2 will likely be tangentially related to the original film in the same way that Season 1 was, which would firmly place both outings in the same world.
I think what Hawley says makes sense. Bemidji, MN isn't Gotham City, there aren't going to be psychopathic criminals dropping into town every 8 months or so. The Malvo/Nygaard case is likely to be the most interesting/worst thing that Molly and the rest of those cops ever see in their careers. It's their own "Sioux Falls" and the case they'll never really want to talk about but lurks there in the back of their minds.
But they definitely left enough loose threads hanging to establish at least a tenuous tie to season 1. Between Stavros' money buried in the snow or a flashback to Sioux Falls in '79 there's a lot of interesting material. Hell, I'm still kind of curious about the office worker that froze to death in the woods in the opener. And Mr. Wrench is still out there somewhere.
Quote from: CT III on June 18, 2014, 03:23:09 PM
I think what Hawley says makes sense. Bemidji, MN isn't Gotham City, there aren't going to be psychopathic criminals dropping into town every 8 months or so. The Malvo/Nygaard case is likely to be the most interesting/worst thing that Molly and the rest of those cops ever see in their careers. It's their own "Sioux Falls" and the case they'll never really want to talk about but lurks there in the back of their minds.
But they definitely left enough loose threads hanging to establish at least a tenuous tie to season 1. Between Stavros' money buried in the snow or a flashback to Sioux Falls in '79 there's a lot of interesting material. Hell, I'm still kind of curious about the office worker that froze to death in the woods in the opener. And Mr. Wrench is still out there somewhere.
I know that it is silly, but at the end of the finale I found myself wondering, "What are they going to do about Lester now?" Obviously they aren't going to walk out onto the lake to retrieve the body. Lester demonstrated that that is not a good idea. Are they therefore going to wait until the thaw? That body isn't going to be in the same place when that happens. I suppose that they could hover over it in a helicopter with a guy in a wet suit and life jacket suspended from a rope, but isn't that a lot of trouble and expense to go through for the likes of Lester?
Quote from: CBStew on June 18, 2014, 03:53:15 PM
Quote from: CT III on June 18, 2014, 03:23:09 PM
I think what Hawley says makes sense. Bemidji, MN isn't Gotham City, there aren't going to be psychopathic criminals dropping into town every 8 months or so. The Malvo/Nygaard case is likely to be the most interesting/worst thing that Molly and the rest of those cops ever see in their careers. It's their own "Sioux Falls" and the case they'll never really want to talk about but lurks there in the back of their minds.
But they definitely left enough loose threads hanging to establish at least a tenuous tie to season 1. Between Stavros' money buried in the snow or a flashback to Sioux Falls in '79 there's a lot of interesting material. Hell, I'm still kind of curious about the office worker that froze to death in the woods in the opener. And Mr. Wrench is still out there somewhere.
I know that it is silly, but at the end of the finale I found myself wondering, "What are they going to do about Lester now?" Obviously they aren't going to walk out onto the lake to retrieve the body. Lester demonstrated that that is not a good idea. Are they therefore going to wait until the thaw? That body isn't going to be in the same place when that happens. I suppose that they could hover over it in a helicopter with a guy in a wet suit and life jacket suspended from a rope, but isn't that a lot of trouble and expense to go through for the likes of Lester?
Molly had mentioned on the phone "Let me know what the divers find" (or something to that effect).
I'm no diver, but I don't see why they couldn't just cut a hole in the ice close to shore and dive under the ice to retrieve the body. No need to walk out there if you're going in the water anyway.
Quote from: CT III on June 18, 2014, 03:23:09 PM
I think what Hawley says makes sense. Bemidji, MN isn't Gotham City, there aren't going to be psychopathic criminals dropping into town every 8 months or so.
I absolutely agree, which is why I found myself curious what a new season would look like.
Quote from: ChuckD on June 18, 2014, 04:17:35 PM
Quote from: CBStew on June 18, 2014, 03:53:15 PM
Quote from: CT III on June 18, 2014, 03:23:09 PM
I think what Hawley says makes sense. Bemidji, MN isn't Gotham City, there aren't going to be psychopathic criminals dropping into town every 8 months or so. The Malvo/Nygaard case is likely to be the most interesting/worst thing that Molly and the rest of those cops ever see in their careers. It's their own "Sioux Falls" and the case they'll never really want to talk about but lurks there in the back of their minds.
But they definitely left enough loose threads hanging to establish at least a tenuous tie to season 1. Between Stavros' money buried in the snow or a flashback to Sioux Falls in '79 there's a lot of interesting material. Hell, I'm still kind of curious about the office worker that froze to death in the woods in the opener. And Mr. Wrench is still out there somewhere.
I know that it is silly, but at the end of the finale I found myself wondering, "What are they going to do about Lester now?" Obviously they aren't going to walk out onto the lake to retrieve the body. Lester demonstrated that that is not a good idea. Are they therefore going to wait until the thaw? That body isn't going to be in the same place when that happens. I suppose that they could hover over it in a helicopter with a guy in a wet suit and life jacket suspended from a rope, but isn't that a lot of trouble and expense to go through for the likes of Lester?
Molly had mentioned on the phone "Let me know what the divers find" (or something to that effect).
I'm no diver, but I don't see why they couldn't just cut a hole in the ice close to shore and dive under the ice to retrieve the body. No need to walk out there if you're going in the water anyway.
Potentially relevant. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/idaho-couple-with-odd-hobby-bring-drowning-victim-home/article4443699/)
DPD...
Also potentially relevant. (http://www.km.kongsberg.com/ks/web/nokbg0240.nsf/AllWeb/C260E04C1091ECC0C12574E5004D73E9?OpenDocument)
http://tv.blog.imdb.net/2014/07/21/tca-more-details-on-fargos-second-season/
QuoteDays before FX brought casts and producers from its shows before the critics assembled at the Television Critics Association's Summer Press Tour, there was word of a super-secret "surprise" panel that, as many correctly guessed, ended up being for "Fargo." FX announced Monday morning that it had picked up the critically-acclaimed limited series for a second season run consisting of ten episodes, which was probably shocking to absolutely nobody.
But it was a nice to have executive producer and writer Noah Hawley, and fellow executive producer Warren Littlefield, on hand to share details about the second season. Here's what Hawley told us: Season two will be set in 1979 and follow Keith Carradine's character Lou Solverson, Molly Solverson's doting father, says Hawley. We'll also meet Molly's mom, and Molly (played in season one by Allison Tolman) will be four years old.
Hawley pointed out that during season one there were a lot of references to Sioux Falls. "That is not an accident," he said. Indeed, the action will take place in and around mostly Laverne, Minn., Sioux Falls and, naturally, Fargo. Though the crimes will be different from year to year, Hawley insists that Fargo, the locale, must always be a main character. "The word itself is so evocative," he said. "It's a state of mind."
As it currently stands, nobody from the season one cast is returning. Season two will introduce an entirely new cast.
According to Hawley, the story begins with 33-year-old Lou having freshly returned from Vietnam and wrestling with living in the pre-Reagan era, in a time the writer characterizes as "the best of America versus the worst of America." In this past era, Lou Solverson is a state police officer and his father-in-law is Laverne's chief lawman. As for the nature of the new "true crime" to be explored in season two, Hawley hinted, "The Vietnam War came home with people, and Lou Solverson thought he'd left the war behind only to find out that it has come home with him."
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 24, 2014, 11:43:30 AM
http://tv.blog.imdb.net/2014/07/21/tca-more-details-on-fargos-second-season/
QuoteDays before FX brought casts and producers from its shows before the critics assembled at the Television Critics Association's Summer Press Tour, there was word of a super-secret "surprise" panel that, as many correctly guessed, ended up being for "Fargo." FX announced Monday morning that it had picked up the critically-acclaimed limited series for a second season run consisting of ten episodes, which was probably shocking to absolutely nobody.
But it was a nice to have executive producer and writer Noah Hawley, and fellow executive producer Warren Littlefield, on hand to share details about the second season. Here's what Hawley told us: Season two will be set in 1979 and follow Keith Carradine's character Lou Solverson, Molly Solverson's doting father, says Hawley. We'll also meet Molly's mom, and Molly (played in season one by Allison Tolman) will be four years old.
Hawley pointed out that during season one there were a lot of references to Sioux Falls. "That is not an accident," he said. Indeed, the action will take place in and around mostly Laverne, Minn., Sioux Falls and, naturally, Fargo. Though the crimes will be different from year to year, Hawley insists that Fargo, the locale, must always be a main character. "The word itself is so evocative," he said. "It's a state of mind."
As it currently stands, nobody from the season one cast is returning. Season two will introduce an entirely new cast.
According to Hawley, the story begins with 33-year-old Lou having freshly returned from Vietnam and wrestling with living in the pre-Reagan era, in a time the writer characterizes as "the best of America versus the worst of America." In this past era, Lou Solverson is a state police officer and his father-in-law is Laverne's chief lawman. As for the nature of the new "true crime" to be explored in season two, Hawley hinted, "The Vietnam War came home with people, and Lou Solverson thought he'd left the war behind only to find out that it has come home with him."
At first I was like, "Nah." But after reading that synopsis, I'm totally in.
Quote from: InternetApex on July 24, 2014, 11:57:39 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on July 24, 2014, 11:43:30 AM
http://tv.blog.imdb.net/2014/07/21/tca-more-details-on-fargos-second-season/
QuoteDays before FX brought casts and producers from its shows before the critics assembled at the Television Critics Association's Summer Press Tour, there was word of a super-secret "surprise" panel that, as many correctly guessed, ended up being for "Fargo." FX announced Monday morning that it had picked up the critically-acclaimed limited series for a second season run consisting of ten episodes, which was probably shocking to absolutely nobody.
But it was a nice to have executive producer and writer Noah Hawley, and fellow executive producer Warren Littlefield, on hand to share details about the second season. Here's what Hawley told us: Season two will be set in 1979 and follow Keith Carradine's character Lou Solverson, Molly Solverson's doting father, says Hawley. We'll also meet Molly's mom, and Molly (played in season one by Allison Tolman) will be four years old.
Hawley pointed out that during season one there were a lot of references to Sioux Falls. "That is not an accident," he said. Indeed, the action will take place in and around mostly Laverne, Minn., Sioux Falls and, naturally, Fargo. Though the crimes will be different from year to year, Hawley insists that Fargo, the locale, must always be a main character. "The word itself is so evocative," he said. "It's a state of mind."
As it currently stands, nobody from the season one cast is returning. Season two will introduce an entirely new cast.
According to Hawley, the story begins with 33-year-old Lou having freshly returned from Vietnam and wrestling with living in the pre-Reagan era, in a time the writer characterizes as "the best of America versus the worst of America." In this past era, Lou Solverson is a state police officer and his father-in-law is Laverne's chief lawman. As for the nature of the new "true crime" to be explored in season two, Hawley hinted, "The Vietnam War came home with people, and Lou Solverson thought he'd left the war behind only to find out that it has come home with him."
At first I was like, "Nah." But after reading that synopsis, I'm totally in.
As hackneyed as the "The war came home with him" storyline has become, I fully expect this will be awesome.
They could of at least spelled "Luverne" right.
BUMP for casting announcements and more background:
http://uproxx.com/tv/2015/06/everything-we-know-about-fargo-s2/5/
QuoteThe all new "true crime" case of Fargo's new chapter travels back to 1979 in Sioux Falls, South Dakota and Luverne, Minnesota, where a young State Police Officer "Lou Solverson" (Patrick Wilson), recently back from Vietnam, investigates a case involving a local crime gang and a major Mob syndicate. Helping him piece things together is his father-in-law, "Sheriff Hank Larsson" (Ted Danson). The investigation will lead them to a colorful cast of characters that includes "Karl Weathers" (Nick Offerman), the town lawyer of Luverne, Minnesota. A Korean War vet, Karl is a flowery drunk blessed with the gift of gab and the eloquence of a true con artist. Three-time Emmy winner Brad Garrett will play "Joe Bulo," the front man for the northern expansion of a Kansas City crime syndicate. The new face of corporate crime, Joe's bringing a Walmart mentality to small town America. His number two is "Mike Milligan" (Bokeem Woodbine). Part enforcer, part detective, Mike is always smiling – but the joke is usually on you. Bulo and his crew have their sights set on the Gerhardt crime family in Fargo, currently led by matriarch "Floyd Gerhardt" (Jean Smart). With her husband at death's door, Floyd takes over the family business, frustrating her eldest son, "Dodd Gerhardt" (Jeffrey Donovan). An impatient hothead with a cruel streak to match his ambitions, Dodd can't wait for both his parents to die so he can take over and expand their business from kingdom to empire. "Bear Gerhardt" (Angus Sampson) is the middle son, an intimidatingly large man who, although inarticulate, is the most decent of his clan. "Rye Gerhardt" (Kieran Culkin), the youngest of the Gerhardt clan, views himself as a big shot, but in reality he's just a small dog who barks big.
Also, Bruce Campbell as Ronald Reagan.
Interesting, a lot of actors here known more for comedy, and a Burn Notice reunion for Fork.
Aaanndd we're back.
I chased the Cubs series clinching win over the Cardinals with the season premiere of Fargo, and I was not disappointed.
I fucked up and missed last season. I thought I heard it was miniseries format. Is that correct? Do I need to have seen season 1?
Quote from: Yeti on October 13, 2015, 09:36:16 PM
I fucked up and missed last season. I thought I heard it was miniseries format. Is that correct? Do I need to have seen season 1?
The second season deals an incident in the past of a character from the first season, but you don't need to have seen season 1 to follow it.
However you should watch season one at some point because it's great.
Quote from: CT III on October 14, 2015, 07:23:44 AM
Quote from: Yeti on October 13, 2015, 09:36:16 PM
I fucked up and missed last season. I thought I heard it was miniseries format. Is that correct? Do I need to have seen season 1?
The second season deals an incident in the past of a character from the first season, but you don't need to have seen season 1 to follow it.
However you should watch season one at some point because it's great.
This.
Also, I finally watched the season premiere last night and I am suitably stoked for the rest of the season.
Quote from: Bort on October 15, 2015, 08:22:17 AM
Quote from: CT III on October 14, 2015, 07:23:44 AM
Quote from: Yeti on October 13, 2015, 09:36:16 PM
I fucked up and missed last season. I thought I heard it was miniseries format. Is that correct? Do I need to have seen season 1?
The second season deals an incident in the past of a character from the first season, but you don't need to have seen season 1 to follow it.
However you should watch season one at some point because it's great.
This.
Also, I finally watched the season premiere last night and I am suitably stoked for the rest of the season.
Minor point of note: the IBM Selectric II is virtually indestructible. I know this because there is one in a cubicle not 15 feet from where I am currently sitting.
Bump.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 21, 2015, 10:56:30 PM
Bump.
Shaping up to be a great season. Bokeem Woodbine is the TRUTH.
Quote from: CT III on October 23, 2015, 11:04:16 AM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 21, 2015, 10:56:30 PM
Bump.
Shaping up to be a great season. Bokeem Woodbine is the TRUTH.
This. The boys' shoe size bit stole the scene, but that entire interaction with Danson was really great.
— Know thyself.
— What are you on about?
— It's in the Bible.
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 27, 2015, 01:24:42 PM
— Know thyself.
— What are you on about?
— It's in the Bible.
"Agree."
"Agree to what?"
"No, that's the name of the shampoo."
"But it's the way you're unfriendly. You're so polite about it. Like you're doing me a favor."
Also, goddamn Lou Solverson has some brass balls. Both those standoffs were tense as hell, and we KNOW he's going to make it.
Quote from: CT III on October 28, 2015, 11:00:11 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on October 27, 2015, 01:24:42 PM
— Know thyself.
— What are you on about?
— It's in the Bible.
"Agree."
"Agree to what?"
"No, that's the name of the shampoo."
"But it's the way you're unfriendly. You're so polite about it. Like you're doing me a favor."
Also, goddamn Lou Solverson has some brass balls. Both those standoffs were tense as hell, and we KNOW he's going to make it.
Seriously. If I didn't know he was going to survive, I'd have probably had a grabber both times.
I don't have much to say about this week's episode other than I loved it.
Just got caught up and I love everything about this season. The American Indian dude is my favorite. The entire Gerhardt Clan is phenomenal. Not one downer scene in this entire season.
Well, that escalated quickly.
I wonder if Kansas City will be sending a replacement for Joe Bulo or if this is now Milligan's show to run.
When I heard that Bruce Campbell was going to be playing Reagan, I thought maybe this was just a bit of showboating by the casting directors, but that bathroom scene between Ronnie and Lou was solid gold.
Dodd Gerhardt is the fucking worst. I mean that in a good way, but I'm hoping that Bear does something bad to him. I also can't stop wondering about the cast on Bear's arm.
Ted Danson is a national treasure. I don't like the way things look for him in next week's preview though.
Quote from: CT III on November 11, 2015, 09:09:48 AM
Well, that escalated quickly.
I wonder if Kansas City will be sending a replacement for Joe Bulo or if this is now Milligan's show to run.
When I heard that Bruce Campbell was going to be playing Reagan, I thought maybe this was just a bit of showboating by the casting directors, but that bathroom scene between Ronnie and Lou was solid gold.
Dodd Gerhardt is the fucking worst. I mean that in a good way, but I'm hoping that Bear does something bad to him. I also can't stop wondering about the cast on Bear's arm.
Ted Danson is a national treasure. I don't like the way things look for him in next week's preview though.
It's crazy that Dodd's malicious haranguing of his daughter is as close as they've gotten to the problem that's going to get them all wiped out.
It would be kind of fun to root for Ed if not for Ed's wife, who is the horrible wife in this incarnation of
Fargo. It's kind of like how on
Justified there was always a bad guy and an EVIL guy for Raylon to contend with. You quickly got to discern which was which. On Fargo, there's always a horrible, terrible, awful, awful wife who either ruins everything or motivates her lackwit husband to do it.
Landry went from unlikely football hero to sociopathic meth clan muscle to witless, but eminently capable butcher boy. May he always live in such interesting times. Great actor.
Quote from: InternetApex on November 11, 2015, 09:24:31 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 11, 2015, 09:09:48 AM
Well, that escalated quickly.
I wonder if Kansas City will be sending a replacement for Joe Bulo or if this is now Milligan's show to run.
When I heard that Bruce Campbell was going to be playing Reagan, I thought maybe this was just a bit of showboating by the casting directors, but that bathroom scene between Ronnie and Lou was solid gold.
Dodd Gerhardt is the fucking worst. I mean that in a good way, but I'm hoping that Bear does something bad to him. I also can't stop wondering about the cast on Bear's arm.
Ted Danson is a national treasure. I don't like the way things look for him in next week's preview though.
It's crazy that Dodd's malicious haranguing of his daughter is as close as they've gotten to the problem that's going to get them all wiped out.
It would be kind of fun to root for Ed if not for Ed's wife, who is the horrible wife in this incarnation of Fargo. It's kind of like how on Justified there was always a bad guy and an EVIL guy for Raylon to contend with. You quickly got to discern which was which. On Fargo, there's always a horrible, terrible, awful, awful wife who either ruins everything or motivates her lackwit husband to do it.
Landry went from unlikely football hero to sociopathic meth clan muscle to witless, but eminently capable butcher boy. May he always live in such interesting times. Great actor.
He had to have put on, what, 80 pounds between his Breaking Bad role and this one? That's what I call dedication.
I just hope there are at least half a dozen more Extremely Tense Standoffs involving Lou and/or Danson. Also I wonder when Sioux Falls is going to come into play, as that was the context in which Lou mentions this whole ordeal in season 1.
Quote from: R-V on November 11, 2015, 09:34:16 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on November 11, 2015, 09:24:31 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 11, 2015, 09:09:48 AM
Well, that escalated quickly.
I wonder if Kansas City will be sending a replacement for Joe Bulo or if this is now Milligan's show to run.
When I heard that Bruce Campbell was going to be playing Reagan, I thought maybe this was just a bit of showboating by the casting directors, but that bathroom scene between Ronnie and Lou was solid gold.
Dodd Gerhardt is the fucking worst. I mean that in a good way, but I'm hoping that Bear does something bad to him. I also can't stop wondering about the cast on Bear's arm.
Ted Danson is a national treasure. I don't like the way things look for him in next week's preview though.
It's crazy that Dodd's malicious haranguing of his daughter is as close as they've gotten to the problem that's going to get them all wiped out.
It would be kind of fun to root for Ed if not for Ed's wife, who is the horrible wife in this incarnation of Fargo. It's kind of like how on Justified there was always a bad guy and an EVIL guy for Raylon to contend with. You quickly got to discern which was which. On Fargo, there's always a horrible, terrible, awful, awful wife who either ruins everything or motivates her lackwit husband to do it.
Landry went from unlikely football hero to sociopathic meth clan muscle to witless, but eminently capable butcher boy. May he always live in such interesting times. Great actor.
He had to have put on, what, 80 pounds between his Breaking Bad role and this one? That's what I call dedication.
I just hope there are at least half a dozen more Extremely Tense Standoffs involving Lou and/or Danson. Also I wonder when Sioux Falls is going to come into play, as that was the context in which Lou mentions this whole ordeal in season 1.
My assumption until last night was that everyone would converge on Sioux Falls during Peggy's conference. Now I'm not so sure, although she still might be dumb enough to try and attend.
Quote from: CT III on November 11, 2015, 10:00:15 AM
Quote from: R-V on November 11, 2015, 09:34:16 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on November 11, 2015, 09:24:31 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 11, 2015, 09:09:48 AM
Well, that escalated quickly.
I wonder if Kansas City will be sending a replacement for Joe Bulo or if this is now Milligan's show to run.
When I heard that Bruce Campbell was going to be playing Reagan, I thought maybe this was just a bit of showboating by the casting directors, but that bathroom scene between Ronnie and Lou was solid gold.
Dodd Gerhardt is the fucking worst. I mean that in a good way, but I'm hoping that Bear does something bad to him. I also can't stop wondering about the cast on Bear's arm.
Ted Danson is a national treasure. I don't like the way things look for him in next week's preview though.
It's crazy that Dodd's malicious haranguing of his daughter is as close as they've gotten to the problem that's going to get them all wiped out.
It would be kind of fun to root for Ed if not for Ed's wife, who is the horrible wife in this incarnation of Fargo. It's kind of like how on Justified there was always a bad guy and an EVIL guy for Raylon to contend with. You quickly got to discern which was which. On Fargo, there's always a horrible, terrible, awful, awful wife who either ruins everything or motivates her lackwit husband to do it.
Landry went from unlikely football hero to sociopathic meth clan muscle to witless, but eminently capable butcher boy. May he always live in such interesting times. Great actor.
He had to have put on, what, 80 pounds between his Breaking Bad role and this one? That's what I call dedication.
I just hope there are at least half a dozen more Extremely Tense Standoffs involving Lou and/or Danson. Also I wonder when Sioux Falls is going to come into play, as that was the context in which Lou mentions this whole ordeal in season 1.
My assumption until last night was that everyone would converge on Sioux Falls during Peggy's conference. Now I'm not so sure, although she still might be dumb enough to try and attend.
Everything about this show is incredibly incredible.
Massive Genius
Fat Todd
Sam Malone (see something here even for you Chuck)
Seriously, I yelled at the TV when the last episode ended because I wanted it to go on.
As good as last season was this is even better.
It's been over a week since somebody noted that this show is the flat-out tits. So: this show is the flat-out tits. Very curious to know the ultimate outcome of the Dodd-Peggy cattle prod incident in the basement.
"You're a little touched, aren't you?"
That whole Hank / Peggy conversation was entertaining as hell.
Quote from: flannj on November 20, 2015, 10:52:01 AM
"You're a little touched, aren't you?"
That whole Hank / Peggy conversation was entertaining as hell.
"Great Caesar's ghost!"
More Karl Weathers please.
Quote from: InternetApex on November 20, 2015, 12:58:45 PM
Quote from: flannj on November 20, 2015, 10:52:01 AM
"You're a little touched, aren't you?"
That whole Hank / Peggy conversation was entertaining as hell.
"Great Caesar's ghost!"
More Karl Weathers please.
Finally caught myself up.
"You sure know a lot of words, Karl."
That was one of the most enjoyable hours of television I've ever seen. When the credits popped up, I cursed. I don't really know what else to say, other than to second all the comments above.
Quote from: CT III on November 22, 2015, 06:57:52 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on November 20, 2015, 12:58:45 PM
Quote from: flannj on November 20, 2015, 10:52:01 AM
"You're a little touched, aren't you?"
That whole Hank / Peggy conversation was entertaining as hell.
"Great Caesar's ghost!"
More Karl Weathers please.
Finally caught myself up.
"You sure know a lot of words, Karl."
That was one of the most enjoyable hours of television I've ever seen. When the credits popped up, I cursed. I don't really know what else to say, other than to second all the comments above.
I want to cosign this. Just caught up and so pissed it's over.
Jesus, I think I need a hug.
Quote from: CT III on November 23, 2015, 10:36:11 PM
Jesus, I think I need a hug.
Only three. episodes. left.
I don't know what I'll do with myself. Mike Milligan owned this episode for me. Really enjoyed them setting up The Undertaker as though he were about to be a major player in the series and then ....
Even though I could see that coming it was no less fantastic the way they pulled it off. I'm actually rooting for Mike at this point, though I'm sure Lou will do for him if the K.C. mob doesn't get him first.
Jesus. This show.
"Are we going to talk or are you just going to quote the thesaurus at me?"
Yeah... Jesus. This show.
Quote from: flannj on November 24, 2015, 11:55:39 PM
"Are we going to talk or are you just going to quote the thesaurus at me?"
Yeah... Jesus. This show.
"You're a shit cop, you know that, right?"
Quote from: CT III on November 25, 2015, 08:51:21 AM
Quote from: flannj on November 24, 2015, 11:55:39 PM
"Are we going to talk or are you just going to quote the thesaurus at me?"
Yeah... Jesus. This show.
"You're a shit cop, you know that, right?"
That was an awesome line.
The hug between Karl "The King of Breakfast" and Betsy was more for him than her.
That scene was gut wrenching much like the previous episode between Betsy and her father.
To see Hank towering over his petite little daughter and not knowing what to do with himself struck me in a very personal way.
I watched this again yesterday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3NTFnnaPC8
It's Lou and Malvo in the diner discussing "Sioux Falls."
If anyone here hasn't seen Season 1 and would prefer to watch this series in chronological order, avoid the clip above. For the rest of us, it's a cool reminder of what's coming up.
Quote from: flannj on November 25, 2015, 09:13:28 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 25, 2015, 08:51:21 AM
Quote from: flannj on November 24, 2015, 11:55:39 PM
"Are we going to talk or are you just going to quote the thesaurus at me?"
Yeah... Jesus. This show.
"You're a shit cop, you know that, right?"
That was an awesome line.
The hug between Karl "The King of Breakfast" and Betsy was more for him than her.
That scene was gut wrenching much like the previous episode between Betsy and her father.
To see Hank towering over his petite little daughter and not knowing what to do with himself struck me in a very personal way.
I hear you. Interested to see what Hank's research into the UFOs (I assume) is all about.
Quote from: CT III on November 25, 2015, 11:00:12 AM
Quote from: flannj on November 25, 2015, 09:13:28 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 25, 2015, 08:51:21 AM
Quote from: flannj on November 24, 2015, 11:55:39 PM
"Are we going to talk or are you just going to quote the thesaurus at me?"
Yeah... Jesus. This show.
"You're a shit cop, you know that, right?"
That was an awesome line.
The hug between Karl "The King of Breakfast" and Betsy was more for him than her.
That scene was gut wrenching much like the previous episode between Betsy and her father.
To see Hank towering over his petite little daughter and not knowing what to do with himself struck me in a very personal way.
I hear you. Interested to see what Hank's research into the UFOs (I assume) is all about.
I made Ali rewind that scene like three times to look at all the symbols.
Quote from: Bort on November 25, 2015, 12:27:48 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 25, 2015, 11:00:12 AM
Quote from: flannj on November 25, 2015, 09:13:28 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 25, 2015, 08:51:21 AM
Quote from: flannj on November 24, 2015, 11:55:39 PM
"Are we going to talk or are you just going to quote the thesaurus at me?"
Yeah... Jesus. This show.
"You're a shit cop, you know that, right?"
That was an awesome line.
The hug between Karl "The King of Breakfast" and Betsy was more for him than her.
That scene was gut wrenching much like the previous episode between Betsy and her father.
To see Hank towering over his petite little daughter and not knowing what to do with himself struck me in a very personal way.
I hear you. Interested to see what Hank's research into the UFOs (I assume) is all about.
I made Ali rewind that scene like three times to look at all the symbols.
Yeah the UFOs seems the most likely explanation for that "what the hell was that all about?" moment.
Oh, and Peggy's "Lifespring" seminar was a
real thing. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifespring) Holy crap.
Quote from: flannj on November 25, 2015, 12:35:46 PM
Quote from: Bort on November 25, 2015, 12:27:48 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 25, 2015, 11:00:12 AM
Quote from: flannj on November 25, 2015, 09:13:28 AM
Quote from: CT III on November 25, 2015, 08:51:21 AM
Quote from: flannj on November 24, 2015, 11:55:39 PM
"Are we going to talk or are you just going to quote the thesaurus at me?"
Yeah... Jesus. This show.
"You're a shit cop, you know that, right?"
That was an awesome line.
The hug between Karl "The King of Breakfast" and Betsy was more for him than her.
That scene was gut wrenching much like the previous episode between Betsy and her father.
To see Hank towering over his petite little daughter and not knowing what to do with himself struck me in a very personal way.
I hear you. Interested to see what Hank's research into the UFOs (I assume) is all about.
I made Ali rewind that scene like three times to look at all the symbols.
Yeah the UFOs seems the most likely explanation for that "what the hell was that all about?" moment.
Oh, and Peggy's "Lifespring" seminar was a real thing. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifespring) Holy crap.
Interestingly enough, the UFO sightings were also
based (somewhat) in reality. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Val_Johnson_incident)
I do not presume to know how the Emmys work, but if Kirsten Dunst didn't win one for tonight's performance, then fuck 'em.
Quote from: CT III on November 30, 2015, 10:41:26 PM
I do not presume to know how the Emmys work, but if Kirsten Dunst didn't win one for tonight's performance, then fuck 'em.
Her performance was beyond spectacular.
I can't pick which stinger to quote for this weeks episode because there are just so many good ones, but I'm going to go with Dodd...
"Don't you do it"
"Don't you do it"
"GODDAMNIT!"
Quote from: flannj on November 30, 2015, 11:49:40 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 30, 2015, 10:41:26 PM
I do not presume to know how the Emmys work, but if Kirsten Dunst didn't win one for tonight's performance, then fuck 'em.
Her performance was beyond spectacular.
I can't pick which stinger to quote for this weeks episode because there are just so many good ones, but I'm going to go with Dodd...
"Don't you do it"
"Don't you do it"
"GODDAMNIT!"
"You gotta stop stabbing him"
Quote from: CT III on December 01, 2015, 08:34:01 AM
Quote from: flannj on November 30, 2015, 11:49:40 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 30, 2015, 10:41:26 PM
I do not presume to know how the Emmys work, but if Kirsten Dunst didn't win one for tonight's performance, then fuck 'em.
Her performance was beyond spectacular.
I can't pick which stinger to quote for this weeks episode because there are just so many good ones, but I'm going to go with Dodd...
"Don't you do it"
"Don't you do it"
"GODDAMNIT!"
"You gotta stop stabbing him"
"Foots on the other shoe now, huh?"
Quote from: flannj on December 01, 2015, 09:25:34 AM
Quote from: CT III on December 01, 2015, 08:34:01 AM
Quote from: flannj on November 30, 2015, 11:49:40 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 30, 2015, 10:41:26 PM
I do not presume to know how the Emmys work, but if Kirsten Dunst didn't win one for tonight's performance, then fuck 'em.
Her performance was beyond spectacular.
I can't pick which stinger to quote for this weeks episode because there are just so many good ones, but I'm going to go with Dodd...
"Don't you do it"
"Don't you do it"
"GODDAMNIT!"
"You gotta stop stabbing him"
"Foots on the other shoe now, huh?"
Goddammit, I just want to go home and watch it again right now.
Oh ... uh ... yuh. Y' wanna pop?
It's weird, I immediately noticed the Sioux Falls hangman puzzle on phone booth, but only now connected it to Ed's near fate at Dodd's hands.
Quote from: CT III on December 01, 2015, 10:04:46 PM
It's weird, I immediately noticed the Sioux Falls hangman puzzle on phone booth, but only now connected it to Ed's near fate at Dodd's hands.
Are you sure it's a near fate?
Quote from: CT III on December 01, 2015, 10:51:38 AM
Quote from: flannj on December 01, 2015, 09:25:34 AM
Quote from: CT III on December 01, 2015, 08:34:01 AM
Quote from: flannj on November 30, 2015, 11:49:40 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 30, 2015, 10:41:26 PM
I do not presume to know how the Emmys work, but if Kirsten Dunst didn't win one for tonight's performance, then fuck 'em.
Her performance was beyond spectacular.
I can't pick which stinger to quote for this weeks episode because there are just so many good ones, but I'm going to go with Dodd...
"Don't you do it"
"Don't you do it"
"GODDAMNIT!"
"You gotta stop stabbing him"
"Foots on the other shoe now, huh?"
Goddammit, I just want to go home and watch it again right now.
Just finished re-watching it.
My God, the whole "Concerned citizen" basement dialog.
Quote from: flannj on December 01, 2015, 09:25:34 AM
Quote from: CT III on December 01, 2015, 08:34:01 AM
Quote from: flannj on November 30, 2015, 11:49:40 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 30, 2015, 10:41:26 PM
I do not presume to know how the Emmys work, but if Kirsten Dunst didn't win one for tonight's performance, then fuck 'em.
Her performance was beyond spectacular.
I can't pick which stinger to quote for this weeks episode because there are just so many good ones, but I'm going to go with Dodd...
"Don't you do it"
"Don't you do it"
"GODDAMNIT!"
"You gotta stop stabbing him"
"Foots on the other shoe now, huh?"
And that line is even better in retrospect, taking the foot stabbing into account.
So my take on Hanzee is that he would have continued with his henchman duties but for those yokels following him out of the bar to taunt him. When that insult was combined with Dodd's taking him for granted yet again, he had tolerated all the bullshit a man could tolerate and decided to go rogue.
Quote from: flannj on December 01, 2015, 10:53:45 PM
Quote from: CT III on December 01, 2015, 10:04:46 PM
It's weird, I immediately noticed the Sioux Falls hangman puzzle on phone booth, but only now connected it to Ed's near fate at Dodd's hands.
Are you sure it's a near fate?
Meaning what? Ed could still die from his injuries? Dodd's dead, baby. Dodd's dead.
Quote from: InternetApex on December 02, 2015, 09:42:07 AM
Quote from: flannj on December 01, 2015, 10:53:45 PM
Quote from: CT III on December 01, 2015, 10:04:46 PM
It's weird, I immediately noticed the Sioux Falls hangman puzzle on phone booth, but only now connected it to Ed's near fate at Dodd's hands.
Are you sure it's a near fate?
Meaning what? Ed could still die from his injuries? Dodd's dead, baby. Dodd's dead.
I meant Ed's fate in Sioux Falls has yet to occur.
But it was late when I posted that and there may have been house drinkin' involved.
Quote from: flannj on December 02, 2015, 09:51:43 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on December 02, 2015, 09:42:07 AM
Quote from: flannj on December 01, 2015, 10:53:45 PM
Quote from: CT III on December 01, 2015, 10:04:46 PM
It's weird, I immediately noticed the Sioux Falls hangman puzzle on phone booth, but only now connected it to Ed's near fate at Dodd's hands.
Are you sure it's a near fate?
Meaning what? Ed could still die from his injuries? Dodd's dead, baby. Dodd's dead.
I meant Ed's fate in Sioux Falls has yet to occur.
But it was late when I posted that and there may have been house drinkin' involved.
Or Ed's still hanging and the rest of the this season is an homage to "An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge"
Quote from: R-V on December 02, 2015, 09:21:09 AM
Quote from: flannj on December 01, 2015, 09:25:34 AM
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Quote from: flannj on November 30, 2015, 11:49:40 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 30, 2015, 10:41:26 PM
I do not presume to know how the Emmys work, but if Kirsten Dunst didn't win one for tonight's performance, then fuck 'em.
Her performance was beyond spectacular.
I can't pick which stinger to quote for this weeks episode because there are just so many good ones, but I'm going to go with Dodd...
"Don't you do it"
"Don't you do it"
"GODDAMNIT!"
"You gotta stop stabbing him"
"Foots on the other shoe now, huh?"
And that line is even better in retrospect, taking the foot stabbing into account.
So my take on Hanzee is that he would have continued with his henchman duties but for those yokels following him out of the bar to taunt him. When that insult was combined with Dodd's taking him for granted yet again, he had tolerated all the bullshit a man could tolerate and decided to go rogue.
DPD
Yeah, in that bar Hanzee finally had the revelation that no matter how accomplished he is, he's never going to be seen as anything like an equal by these stupid racist fuckwits. When Dodd immediately confirmed this by his lack of gratitude for rescue, he made his decision.
Interesting that at roughly the same time, Mike Milligan was coming to the same conclusion about Kansas City producing pretty much the same result.
MILLIGAN HANZEE TEAM UP
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I do not presume to know how the Emmys work, but if Kirsten Dunst didn't win one for tonight's performance, then fuck 'em.
Her performance was beyond spectacular.
I can't pick which stinger to quote for this weeks episode because there are just so many good ones, but I'm going to go with Dodd...
"Don't you do it"
"Don't you do it"
"GODDAMNIT!"
"You gotta stop stabbing him"
"Foots on the other shoe now, huh?"
And that line is even better in retrospect, taking the foot stabbing into account.
So my take on Hanzee is that he would have continued with his henchman duties but for those yokels following him out of the bar to taunt him. When that insult was combined with Dodd's taking him for granted yet again, he had tolerated all the bullshit a man could tolerate and decided to go rogue.
DPD
Yeah, in that bar Hanzee finally had the revelation that no matter how accomplished he is, he's never going to be seen as anything like an equal by these stupid racist fuckwits. When Dodd immediately confirmed this by his lack of gratitude for rescue, he made his decision.
Interesting that at roughly the same time, Mike Milligan was coming to the same conclusion about Kansas City producing pretty much the same result.
MILLIGAN HANZEE TEAM UP
I was telling Ali that if you merged Milligan's charming, businesslike contract killer with Hanzee's terrifying calm brutality, you'd basically get Lorne Malvo.
"It's just a flying saucer, Ed. We gotta go."
Self-actualized Peggy is great.
Damn. I would have rather Mike died than what happened to that poor bastard.
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Damn. I would have rather Mike died than what happened to that poor bastard.
The look on his face as he processed that he was basically getting what must have felt like (to him) a prison sentence was fucking priceless.
And damn was I relieved to see that Hank made it.
Finally binge-watched the back half of Season 2 a week ago.
You guys said most of the things, but no one mentioned the appearance of a (presumed) young Mr. Wrench on the ball field in Hanzee's coda...
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Finally binge-watched the back half of Season 2 a week ago.
You guys said most of the things, but no one mentioned the appearance of a (presumed) young Mr. Wrench on the ball field in Hanzee's coda...
I'd seen it brought up elsewhere so much that I just assumed it had been posted here. Also, the other kid was Numbers, right?
Hey, season 3 needs to be discussed.
Ewan McGregor is better as Ray Stussy but very good as his brother "The parking lot king of Minnesota".
Favorite character: V. M. Varga by far.
The air conditioner was brutal.
The Peter and the Wolf storyline was BRILLIANT.
The music has been really perfect. I dislike Heart but that was really well done.
Boardwalk Empire fans will not be disappointed.
Nikki Swango is kinda hot.
I'll let the science fiction nerds here discuss the author and books but the movie producer he was approached by had to be Roger Corman, right?
Not exactly Police Chief is awesome.
Really? Nobody is watching this season?
I was going to repeat one of the funnier lines but after that ending it probably wouldn't be appropriate.
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Really? Nobody is watching this season?
I was going to repeat one of the funnier lines but after that ending it probably wouldn't be appropriate.
I'm watching flannj but still haven't watched last week's episode.
Gloria Burgle can get it.
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Really? Nobody is watching this season?
I was going to repeat one of the funnier lines but after that ending it probably wouldn't be appropriate.
I'm watching flannj but still haven't watched last week's episode.
Gloria Burgle can get it.
Yes she can.
How did you like the Peter and the Wolf theme?
The rest of you morans get with the program.
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Really? Nobody is watching this season?
I was going to repeat one of the funnier lines but after that ending it probably wouldn't be appropriate.
I'm watching flannj but still haven't watched last week's episode.
Gloria Burgle can get it.
Yes she can.
How did you like the Peter and the Wolf theme?
The rest of you morans get with the program.
I've been watching. Really excited to see Mr. Wrench back tonight.
"This guy must really hate Stussys"
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Really? Nobody is watching this season?
I was going to repeat one of the funnier lines but after that ending it probably wouldn't be appropriate.
I'm watching flannj but still haven't watched last week's episode.
Gloria Burgle can get it.
Yes she can.
How did you like the Peter and the Wolf theme?
The rest of you morans get with the program.
Spent the last two days trying to get caught up (nearly there). Some observations (SPOILERS):
I have seen complaints (mostly in reviews) about the slow burn this season. I'm not sure why. The show has always taken it's time carefully arranging the pieces on the board, only to completely smash it up it the last several episodes. If that means a side trip to LA that leads to almost nothing or graphically learning that Varga is a bulimic, I'm cool with it, especially because the show has always delivered when its time for the shit to hit the fan (it also helps that they bring in a murder's row of character actors to fill out even the seemingly smallest parts).
Two spin-off shows I would watch:
Burgle and Lopez, P.I.
Swango and Wrench, P.I.
I think we all knew that DJ Qualls would come to a bad end. I didn't hear it said during the episode but his character's name in the credits is "Golem" which is probably the best possible name for an otherwise nondescript henchman on this show.
I can only hope that when my time comes I will get to drink a tiny glass of sherry in a bowling alley bar with Ray Wise after he gives me a kitten.
What does anybody think of Yuri's fate? Is he dead, or just traumatized and missing?
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Really? Nobody is watching this season?
I was going to repeat one of the funnier lines but after that ending it probably wouldn't be appropriate.
I'm watching flannj but still haven't watched last week's episode.
Gloria Burgle can get it.
Yes she can.
How did you like the Peter and the Wolf theme?
The rest of you morans get with the program.
Spent the last two days trying to get caught up (nearly there). Some observations (SPOILERS):
I have seen complaints (mostly in reviews) about the slow burn this season. I'm not sure why. The show has always taken it's time carefully arranging the pieces on the board, only to completely smash it up it the last several episodes. If that means a side trip to LA that leads to almost nothing or graphically learning that Varga is a bulimic, I'm cool with it, especially because the show has always delivered when its time for the shit to hit the fan (it also helps that they bring in a murder's row of character actors to fill out even the seemingly smallest parts).
Two spin-off shows I would watch:
Burgle and Lopez, P.I.
Swango and Wrench, P.I.
I think we all knew that DJ Qualls would come to a bad end. I didn't hear it said during the episode but his character's name in the credits is "Golem" which is probably the best possible name for an otherwise nondescript henchman on this show.
I can only hope that when my time comes I will get to drink a tiny glass of sherry in a bowling alley bar with Ray Wise after he gives me a kitten.
What does anybody think of Yuri's fate? Is he dead, or just traumatized and missing?
I would eagerly watch both of those spinoffs.
Does the bowling alley really exist?
If it disappears doesn't Yuri?
Damn, only one more episode.
There's a lot of shit to tie up.
Shea Wigham as Chief Moe Dammik is the ultimate lunkhead.
V.M. Varga may be one of the most awesomely foul characters ever put on television.
I wouldn't have believed it after watching the first episode of this season, but I was genuinely sad to see Nikki Swango meet her demise. Getting to see Mr. Wrench finish the job in her stead was a nice consolation prize.
Between Burgle's little smirk at the end and the long cut of the hallway, I'm reading that as "Rikers and Snickers" although I suspect (like Mr. Wrench) it's not the last we'll see of Varga.
What a fantastic season of television.
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I wouldn't have believed it after watching the first episode of this season, but I was genuinely sad to see Nikki Swango meet her demise. Getting to see Mr. Wrench finish the job in her stead was a nice consolation prize.
Between Burgle's little smirk at the end and the long cut of the hallway, I'm reading that as "Rikers and Snickers" although I suspect (like Mr. Wrench) it's not the last we'll see of Varga.
What a fantastic season of television.
Terrific ending.
Burgle and that little smile was a pleasure to watch.
Varga is just so perfectly evil. The idea of eating dried potatoes out of a box was probably more frightening to him and his gluttony / bulimia than anything else they could do to him.
The music during the whole season has been wonderful but finishing with Beethoven's Appassionata was beautiful.
Such a good season.
FINALLY got around to watching Season 1. That was great. Only part that didn't work for me was Gus calling Molly and asking her to stay safe, then going into the cabin to lay in wait for Malvo.
I never want to meet Billy Bob Thornton in real life. Sometimes it feels like he's just playing himself and not acting.
Poor Linda.
Season 4 starts sometime. I saw the trailer. Looked pretty good. Chris Rock is in Fargo and gonna be in a Saw movie. Good news for fans of those franchises.