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Title: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: PenFoe on July 25, 2014, 02:59:19 PM
In the midst of all this wonderful prospect splooging, I don't want to lose sight of fuck this guy. 
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: Slaky on July 25, 2014, 03:46:14 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 25, 2014, 02:59:19 PM
In the midst of all this wonderful prospect splooging, I don't want to lose sight of fuck this guy. 

No way he actually gets traded, right?
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: PenFoe on July 25, 2014, 03:50:33 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 25, 2014, 03:46:14 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 25, 2014, 02:59:19 PM
In the midst of all this wonderful prospect splooging, I don't want to lose sight of fuck this guy. 

No way he actually gets traded, right?

The Cubs would have to eat so much of his contract that I don't think it's worth it - at least for this year when sucking is just fine (if not preferred.) 

But offseason? Could see it, if they're really committed.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: SKO on July 25, 2014, 04:17:17 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 25, 2014, 03:50:33 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 25, 2014, 03:46:14 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 25, 2014, 02:59:19 PM
In the midst of all this wonderful prospect splooging, I don't want to lose sight of fuck this guy. 

No way he actually gets traded, right?

The Cubs would have to eat so much of his contract that I don't think it's worth it - at least for this year when sucking is just fine (if not preferred.) 

But offseason? Could see it, if they're really committed.

somehow accidentally posted this to the Arrieta theread:

Eat his contract, package him with Castro, acquire David Price, then give him 200 million so that in five years we can hate him as much as we hate Edwin Jackson now. This is increasingly likely.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: InternetApex on July 25, 2014, 05:09:45 PM
He's one of the most depressing players they've had in awhile. I don't even hate him because none of his failures really matter all that much. Are they stressing the arms of the vaunted middle relievers because he can't go seven innings? Maybe, but if that was a critical point they might not have wanted to trade 40% of their rotation away. And they can shut those relievers down whenever they want anyway.

It's just that he's always on the top step of the dugout when he's not pitching. Just chilling. I would think he'd be somewhat embarrassed by all of this but he seems like he doesn't care anymore than we do about it. He's just gonna keep gettin' them checks whether they trade him or not. I don't know why, but it's kind of stressful for me to think about.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: ChuckD on July 25, 2014, 05:20:10 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 25, 2014, 05:09:45 PM
He's one of the most depressing players they've had in awhile. I don't even hate him because none of his failures really matter all that much. Are they stressing the arms of the vaunted middle relievers because he can't go seven innings? Maybe, but if that was a critical point they might not have wanted to trade 40% of their rotation away. And they can shut those relievers down whenever they want anyway.

It's just that he's always on the top step of the dugout when he's not pitching. Just chilling. I would think he'd be somewhat embarrassed by all of this but he seems like he doesn't care anymore than we do about it. He's just gonna keep gettin' them checks whether they trade him or not. I don't know why, but it's kind of stressful for me to think about.

Maybe it's best to just suck it up and hope he goes balls out in his contract year while the Cubbies win the Baseball Bowl.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: Shooter on July 25, 2014, 06:59:11 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 25, 2014, 03:50:33 PM
Quote from: Slaky on July 25, 2014, 03:46:14 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 25, 2014, 02:59:19 PM
In the midst of all this wonderful prospect splooging, I don't want to lose sight of fuck this guy. 

No way he actually gets traded, right?

The Cubs would have to eat so much of his contract that I don't think it's worth it - at least for this year when sucking is just fine (if not preferred.) 

But offseason? Could see it, if they're really committed.

I would think the chances of trading him are better now. Teams get desperate, and there's a much more limited market for buyers to pick from (no free agents, etc.)
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: BigDrinky on July 26, 2014, 09:29:01 AM
Anyone else notice that whenever the Cubs score while Jackson is pitching, he seems to almost always give back the added runs in the very next inning? Demoralizing for a team.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on July 26, 2014, 10:33:49 AM
Quote from: BigDrinky on July 26, 2014, 09:29:01 AM
Anyone else notice that whenever the Cubs score while Jackson is pitching, he seems to almost always give back the added runs in the very next inning? Demoralizing for a team.

Yes.  It's uncanny.

I also read some stat somewhere where he gets hit extremely hard with 2 outs.

Guy can't close.  Guy's got no balls.  Guy fucking sucks.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on July 26, 2014, 11:28:01 AM
Quote from: PANK! on July 26, 2014, 10:33:49 AM
Guy can't close.  Guy's got no balls.  Guy fucking sucks.

Huey's not a meatball.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on August 09, 2014, 04:27:42 PM
What's that?  There's runners on base?  Well then, I'll just throw some hanging breaking balls and straight fastballs in the upper half of the zone, that'll work!
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on August 12, 2014, 01:55:13 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on July 25, 2014, 05:20:10 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on July 25, 2014, 05:09:45 PM
He's one of the most depressing players they've had in awhile. I don't even hate him because none of his failures really matter all that much. Are they stressing the arms of the vaunted middle relievers because he can't go seven innings? Maybe, but if that was a critical point they might not have wanted to trade 40% of their rotation away. And they can shut those relievers down whenever they want anyway.

It's just that he's always on the top step of the dugout when he's not pitching. Just chilling. I would think he'd be somewhat embarrassed by all of this but he seems like he doesn't care anymore than we do about it. He's just gonna keep gettin' them checks whether they trade him or not. I don't know why, but it's kind of stressful for me to think about.

Maybe it's best to just suck it up and hope he goes balls out in his contract year while the Cubbies win the Baseball Bowl.

I just want to point out "Baseball Bowl" is fantastic.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:08:35 PM
Cubs put Edlose on the 15-day DL with a "lat" injury.

Hope it's Lat Cancer and he's dying.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: SKO on August 21, 2014, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:08:35 PM
Cubs put Edlose on the 15-day DL with a "lat" injury.

Hope it's Lat Cancer and he's dying.

Hold it one fucking second man. First Apex has to rule whether that's a funny cancer or not.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: Slaky on August 21, 2014, 01:12:49 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:08:35 PM
Cubs put Edlose on the 15-day DL with a "lat" injury.

Hope it's Lat Cancer and he's dying.

It's Shit Arm.

What's up with Edwin? He's got a shit arm.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:13:04 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 21, 2014, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:08:35 PM
Cubs put Edlose on the 15-day DL with a "lat" injury.

Hope it's Lat Cancer and he's dying.

Hold it one fucking second man. First Apex has to rule whether that's a funny cancer or not.

Ehh...my dad died of cancer, I can make any cancer joke I want.

Same with being Jewish.

It's sharia rule or something.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: BH on August 21, 2014, 01:18:00 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:13:04 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 21, 2014, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:08:35 PM
Cubs put Edlose on the 15-day DL with a "lat" injury.

Hope it's Lat Cancer and he's dying.

Hold it one fucking second man. First Apex has to rule whether that's a funny cancer or not.

Ehh...my dad died of cancer, I can make any cancer joke I want.

Same with being Jewish.

It's sharia rule or something.

Occam's razor.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: SKO on August 21, 2014, 01:21:23 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:13:04 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 21, 2014, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:08:35 PM
Cubs put Edlose on the 15-day DL with a "lat" injury.

Hope it's Lat Cancer and he's dying.

Hold it one fucking second man. First Apex has to rule whether that's a funny cancer or not.

Ehh...my dad died of cancer, I can make any cancer joke I want.

Same with being Jewish.

It's sharia rule or something.

I just wanted an excuse to refer to Apex, Arbiter of When It is Okay To Wish Death on Someone On the Internet, because this: http://www.desipio.com/messageboard/index.php?topic=6812.msg184032#msg184032 is still one of my all time favorite Desipio exchanges.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: InternetApex on August 21, 2014, 01:25:33 PM
Curt Schilling's buttcancer of the mouth is funny.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: Slaky on August 21, 2014, 01:32:37 PM
Quote from: BH on August 21, 2014, 01:18:00 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:13:04 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 21, 2014, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:08:35 PM
Cubs put Edlose on the 15-day DL with a "lat" injury.

Hope it's Lat Cancer and he's dying.

Hold it one fucking second man. First Apex has to rule whether that's a funny cancer or not.

Ehh...my dad died of cancer, I can make any cancer joke I want.

Same with being Jewish.

It's sharia rule or something.

Occam's razor.

Murphy's razor
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: CBStew on August 21, 2014, 01:40:13 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 21, 2014, 01:32:37 PM
Quote from: BH on August 21, 2014, 01:18:00 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:13:04 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 21, 2014, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:08:35 PM
Cubs put Edlose on the 15-day DL with a "lat" injury.

Hope it's Lat Cancer and he's dying.

Hold it one fucking second man. First Apex has to rule whether that's a funny cancer or not.

Ehh...my dad died of cancer, I can make any cancer joke I want.

Same with being Jewish.

It's sharia rule or something.

Occam's razor.

Murphy's razor

Schrodinger's cat.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: CBStew on August 21, 2014, 01:40:13 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 21, 2014, 01:32:37 PM
Quote from: BH on August 21, 2014, 01:18:00 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:13:04 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 21, 2014, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:08:35 PM
Cubs put Edlose on the 15-day DL with a "lat" injury.

Hope it's Lat Cancer and he's dying.

Hold it one fucking second man. First Apex has to rule whether that's a funny cancer or not.

Ehh...my dad died of cancer, I can make any cancer joke I want.

Same with being Jewish.

It's sharia rule or something.

Occam's razor.

Murphy's razor

Schrodinger's cat.

Planck's constant
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: InternetApex on August 21, 2014, 01:48:38 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: CBStew on August 21, 2014, 01:40:13 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 21, 2014, 01:32:37 PM
Quote from: BH on August 21, 2014, 01:18:00 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:13:04 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 21, 2014, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:08:35 PM
Cubs put Edlose on the 15-day DL with a "lat" injury.

Hope it's Lat Cancer and he's dying.

Hold it one fucking second man. First Apex has to rule whether that's a funny cancer or not.

Ehh...my dad died of cancer, I can make any cancer joke I want.

Same with being Jewish.

It's sharia rule or something.

Occam's razor.

Murphy's razor

Schrodinger's cat.

Planck's constant

Kafka's Mice
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on August 21, 2014, 02:29:57 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 21, 2014, 01:48:38 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: CBStew on August 21, 2014, 01:40:13 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 21, 2014, 01:32:37 PM
Quote from: BH on August 21, 2014, 01:18:00 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:13:04 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 21, 2014, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:08:35 PM
Cubs put Edlose on the 15-day DL with a "lat" injury.

Hope it's Lat Cancer and he's dying.

Hold it one fucking second man. First Apex has to rule whether that's a funny cancer or not.

Ehh...my dad died of cancer, I can make any cancer joke I want.

Same with being Jewish.

It's sharia rule or something.

Occam's razor.

Murphy's razor

Schrodinger's cat.

Planck's constant

Kafka's Mice

Chekhov's gun
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: Richard Chuggar on August 21, 2014, 02:42:36 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on August 21, 2014, 02:29:57 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 21, 2014, 01:48:38 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: CBStew on August 21, 2014, 01:40:13 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 21, 2014, 01:32:37 PM
Quote from: BH on August 21, 2014, 01:18:00 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:13:04 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 21, 2014, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:08:35 PM
Cubs put Edlose on the 15-day DL with a "lat" injury.

Hope it's Lat Cancer and he's dying.

Hold it one fucking second man. First Apex has to rule whether that's a funny cancer or not.

Ehh...my dad died of cancer, I can make any cancer joke I want.

Same with being Jewish.

It's sharia rule or something.

Occam's razor.

Murphy's razor

Schrodinger's cat.

Planck's constant

Kafka's Mice

Chekhov's gun

Mike Hunt

what are we doing here?
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: BH on August 21, 2014, 02:56:36 PM
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 21, 2014, 02:42:36 PM
Quote from: J. Walter Weatherman on August 21, 2014, 02:29:57 PM
Quote from: InternetApex on August 21, 2014, 01:48:38 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: CBStew on August 21, 2014, 01:40:13 PM
Quote from: Slaky on August 21, 2014, 01:32:37 PM
Quote from: BH on August 21, 2014, 01:18:00 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:13:04 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 21, 2014, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:08:35 PM
Cubs put Edlose on the 15-day DL with a "lat" injury.

Hope it's Lat Cancer and he's dying.

Hold it one fucking second man. First Apex has to rule whether that's a funny cancer or not.

Ehh...my dad died of cancer, I can make any cancer joke I want.

Same with being Jewish.

It's sharia rule or something.

Occam's razor.

Murphy's razor

Schrodinger's cat.

Planck's constant

Kafka's Mice

Chekhov's gun

Mike Hunt

what are we doing here?

Todd's Exposed Timber
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: PenFoe on March 24, 2015, 06:14:19 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 25, 2014, 02:59:19 PM
In the midst of all this wonderful prospect splooging, I don't want to lose sight of fuck this guy. 
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on March 24, 2015, 06:35:21 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on March 24, 2015, 06:14:19 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 25, 2014, 02:59:19 PM
In the midst of all this wonderful prospect splooging, I don't want to lose sight of fuck this guy. 

Fuck his work performance.  By most accounts it sounds like the other players like having him around.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: PenFoe on March 24, 2015, 06:38:36 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 24, 2015, 06:35:21 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on March 24, 2015, 06:14:19 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 25, 2014, 02:59:19 PM
In the midst of all this wonderful prospect splooging, I don't want to lose sight of fuck this guy. 

Fuck his work performance.  By most accounts it sounds like the other players like having him around.

Great.

Fuck that.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: Brownie on March 24, 2015, 09:10:00 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on March 24, 2015, 06:38:36 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 24, 2015, 06:35:21 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on March 24, 2015, 06:14:19 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on July 25, 2014, 02:59:19 PM
In the midst of all this wonderful prospect splooging, I don't want to lose sight of fuck this guy. 

Fuck his work performance.  By most accounts it sounds like the other players like having him around.

Great.

Fuck that.

He can sit in the bleachers with Dempster once they complete the bleachers. Until then, he can join the disgruntled out-of-work bleacherites in being out of work and not going to games.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: Tonker on March 25, 2015, 02:45:39 AM
I hesitate to post anything non-inflammatory in what is clearly a lynching thread, but I can't get too bent out of shape about Jackson.  He sucks, but what's he supposed to do?  By all accounts he's working hard to not suck, but it's just not in him.  He's sadly become really, really fucking sucky, but at least he's not looking over to the dugout for a bail-out every time he sucks himself into trouble.  He's out there taking his fucking lumps, and taking them without complaining.  Every time he goes out there he eats an enormous shit sandwich, licks his plate clean and says "thank you".  He doesn't moan about his team-mates, and he doesn't moan about the fans getting on his back.  The Cubs have had much, much bigger cunts than Edwin Jackson.

EDIT: The whole bigger cunts that Edwin Jackson?
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: Brownie on March 25, 2015, 07:13:53 AM
Quote from: Tonker on March 25, 2015, 02:45:39 AM
I hesitate to post anything non-inflammatory in what is clearly a lynching thread, but I can't get too bent out of shape about Jackson.  He sucks, but what's he supposed to do?  By all accounts he's working hard to not suck, but it's just not in him.  He's sadly become really, really fucking sucky, but at least he's not looking over to the dugout for a bail-out every time he sucks himself into trouble.  He's out there taking his fucking lumps, and taking them without complaining.  Every time he goes out there he eats an enormous shit sandwich, licks his plate clean and says "thank you".  He doesn't moan about his team-mates, and he doesn't moan about the fans getting on his back.  The Cubs have had much, much bigger cunts than Edwin Jackson.

EDIT: The whole bigger cunts that Edwin Jackson?

He could use Google Maps more effectively.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: SKO on March 25, 2015, 08:06:15 AM
To date all Edwin Jackson has ever done is lose games that don't matter and that the Cubs were better off losing anyways. That he's made mid-tier starter money for that on a team is no skin off of my balls. I don't think the Cubs have any intention of letting him flail away in games they actually hope to win, so I have a hard time getting my hate up for him. He belongs in the Ruben Quevedo waste bin of guys on bad Cubs teams I'll look back on and go "oh yeah, that guy! Yeah he was awful" and not in the Sean Estes group of guys who angered my anger beyond all anger everytime they took the ball and hurt the team's chances. That group also includes any start made by Jason Marquis after June in 2007 or 2008.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: InternetApex on March 25, 2015, 09:02:04 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 08:06:15 AM
To date all Edwin Jackson has ever done is lose games that don't matter and that the Cubs were better off losing anyways. That he's made mid-tier starter money for that on a team is no skin off of my balls. I don't think the Cubs have any intention of letting him flail away in games they actually hope to win, so I have a hard time getting my hate up for him. He belongs in the Ruben Quevedo waste bin of guys on bad Cubs teams I'll look back on and go "oh yeah, that guy! Yeah he was awful" and not in the Sean Estes group of guys who angered my anger beyond all anger everytime they took the ball and hurt the team's chances. That group also includes any start made by Jason Marquis after June in 2007 or 2008.

All of THI. He actually makes me sad when I look at him. I don't pity him but I can at least empathize with him about how it feels to be bad at SPORTZ. Estes and Marquis deserve to die for what they did.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: Eli on March 25, 2015, 09:16:48 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 25, 2015, 09:02:04 AM
Estes and Marquis deserve to die for what they did.

For whatever reason, the thing I remember most about Estes is that inexplicable complete-game shutout in his last start of 2003 that helped seal a playoff spot. So, I guess it wasn't all bad. Just almost entirely bad.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: InternetApex on March 25, 2015, 09:20:18 AM
Quote from: Eli on March 25, 2015, 09:16:48 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 25, 2015, 09:02:04 AM
Estes and Marquis deserve to die for what they did.

For whatever reason, the thing I remember most about Estes is that inexplicable complete-game shutout in his last start of 2003 that helped seal a playoff spot. So, I guess it wasn't all bad. Just almost entirely bad.


I remember that start too. I guess I'll let him live.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: SKO on March 25, 2015, 09:21:26 AM
Quote from: Eli on March 25, 2015, 09:16:48 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 25, 2015, 09:02:04 AM
Estes and Marquis deserve to die for what they did.

For whatever reason, the thing I remember most about Estes is that inexplicable complete-game shutout in his last start of 2003 that helped seal a playoff spot. So, I guess it wasn't all bad. Just almost entirely bad.


I mostly remember him being the first guy that got way too many opportunities to fuck up because Dusty vouched for him. But I do remember that start against a Reds lineup where the best hitter was Ryan Freel. Good for you, Shawn. Good for you.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on March 25, 2015, 09:24:36 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 09:21:26 AM
Quote from: Eli on March 25, 2015, 09:16:48 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 25, 2015, 09:02:04 AM
Estes and Marquis deserve to die for what they did.

For whatever reason, the thing I remember most about Estes is that inexplicable complete-game shutout in his last start of 2003 that helped seal a playoff spot. So, I guess it wasn't all bad. Just almost entirely bad.


I mostly remember him being the first guy that got way too many opportunities to fuck up because Dusty vouched for him. But I do remember that start against a Reds lineup where the best hitter was Ryan Freel. Good for you, Shawn. Good for you.
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/2003/B09240CIN2003.htm
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: ChuckD on March 25, 2015, 09:54:08 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on March 25, 2015, 09:02:04 AM
Marquis deserve to die for what they did.

Some credit is due. He helped knock the Cards out of the playoffs in 2004 and 2005.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: PenFoe on March 25, 2015, 10:28:25 AM
Jesus, you people tolerate so much bullshit.

Great - Edwin isn't a total asshat and seems like a standup dude.

Now, get off the field.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: SKO on March 25, 2015, 10:32:35 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on March 25, 2015, 10:28:25 AM
Jesus, you people tolerate so much bullshit.

Great - Edwin isn't a total asshat and seems like a standup dude.

Now, get off the field.

Woah, woah, all we've said so far is his sucking has been irrelevant. In the unlikely scenario he actually gets meaningful innings for the Cubs this year and pitches like he has the last two years, we will hate him with the fury of a thousand white hot burning suns.

Nobody has said you're wrong to hate him, it's just hard for me to hate a guy who has been awful when it doesn't matter. I don't hate Chris Volstad, either, but if he had somehow put up those numbers on a Cubs team that ever had a chance of competing I'd say he was worse than Hitler.

It's like hating Fred McGriff more than I hate Willie Greene. There was no question which player sucked harder, but context is everything.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on March 25, 2015, 10:33:00 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on March 25, 2015, 10:28:25 AM
Jesus, you people tolerate so much bullshit.

Wait until RV arises from the dead to point out how superawesome Edlose's peripherals are.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: CBStew on March 25, 2015, 10:39:22 AM
One word...

Calvin Schiraldi
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on March 25, 2015, 10:45:21 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 10:32:35 AM
it's just hard for me to hate a guy who has been awful when it doesn't matter.

Alfonso Soriano - Career Cubs Playoff totals:

AB    R   H   2B   3B   HR   RBI   SB   CS   BB   SO    BA     OBP    SLG    OPS
28    0   3    0   0     0    0     0    0    1    8   0.107  0.138  0.107  0.245
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: PenFoe on March 25, 2015, 10:49:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 10:32:35 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on March 25, 2015, 10:28:25 AM
Jesus, you people tolerate so much bullshit.

Great - Edwin isn't a total asshat and seems like a standup dude.

Now, get off the field.

Woah, woah, all we've said so far is his sucking has been irrelevant. In the unlikely scenario he actually gets meaningful innings for the Cubs this year and pitches like he has the last two years, we will hate him with the fury of a thousand white hot burning suns.

Nobody has said you're wrong to hate him, it's just hard for me to hate a guy who has been awful when it doesn't matter. I don't hate Chris Volstad, either, but if he had somehow put up those numbers on a Cubs team that ever had a chance of competing I'd say he was worse than Hitler.

It's like hating Fred McGriff more than I hate Willie Greene. There was no question which player sucked harder, but context is everything.

HE'S BEEN BLOCKING CHRIS RUSIN FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: SKO on March 25, 2015, 10:54:06 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on March 25, 2015, 10:45:21 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 10:32:35 AM
it's just hard for me to hate a guy who has been awful when it doesn't matter.

Alfonso Soriano - Career Cubs Playoff totals:

AB    R   H   2B   3B   HR   RBI   SB   CS   BB   SO    BA     OBP    SLG    OPS
28    0   3    0   0     0    0     0    0    1    8   0.107  0.138  0.107  0.245


And how'd they make the playoffs in 2007?

(http://i62.tinypic.com/xfb59t.png)
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: SKO on March 25, 2015, 10:54:37 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on March 25, 2015, 10:49:40 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 10:32:35 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on March 25, 2015, 10:28:25 AM
Jesus, you people tolerate so much bullshit.

Great - Edwin isn't a total asshat and seems like a standup dude.

Now, get off the field.

Woah, woah, all we've said so far is his sucking has been irrelevant. In the unlikely scenario he actually gets meaningful innings for the Cubs this year and pitches like he has the last two years, we will hate him with the fury of a thousand white hot burning suns.

Nobody has said you're wrong to hate him, it's just hard for me to hate a guy who has been awful when it doesn't matter. I don't hate Chris Volstad, either, but if he had somehow put up those numbers on a Cubs team that ever had a chance of competing I'd say he was worse than Hitler.

It's like hating Fred McGriff more than I hate Willie Greene. There was no question which player sucked harder, but context is everything.

HE'S BEEN BLOCKING CHRIS RUSIN FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.

Validated.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on March 25, 2015, 10:58:35 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 10:54:06 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on March 25, 2015, 10:45:21 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 10:32:35 AM
it's just hard for me to hate a guy who has been awful when it doesn't matter.

Alfonso Soriano - Career Cubs Playoff totals:

AB    R   H   2B   3B   HR   RBI   SB   CS   BB   SO    BA     OBP    SLG    OPS
28    0   3    0   0     0    0     0    0    1    8   0.107  0.138  0.107  0.245


And how'd they make the playoffs in 2007?

(http://i62.tinypic.com/xfb59t.png)

Forget it, SKO.  It's ChuckTown.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: SKO on March 25, 2015, 10:59:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 25, 2015, 10:58:35 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 10:54:06 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on March 25, 2015, 10:45:21 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 10:32:35 AM
it's just hard for me to hate a guy who has been awful when it doesn't matter.

Alfonso Soriano - Career Cubs Playoff totals:

AB    R   H   2B   3B   HR   RBI   SB   CS   BB   SO    BA     OBP    SLG    OPS
28    0   3    0   0     0    0     0    0    1    8   0.107  0.138  0.107  0.245


And how'd they make the playoffs in 2007?

(http://i62.tinypic.com/xfb59t.png)

Forget it, SKO.  It's ChuckTown.

I'm aware, but I never get tired of that September statline by Alf. .754 slugging! That month was the balls.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on March 25, 2015, 11:03:01 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 10:59:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 25, 2015, 10:58:35 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 10:54:06 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on March 25, 2015, 10:45:21 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 10:32:35 AM
it's just hard for me to hate a guy who has been awful when it doesn't matter.

Alfonso Soriano - Career Cubs Playoff totals:

AB    R   H   2B   3B   HR   RBI   SB   CS   BB   SO    BA     OBP    SLG    OPS
28    0   3    0   0     0    0     0    0    1    8   0.107  0.138  0.107  0.245


And how'd they make the playoffs in 2007?

(http://i62.tinypic.com/xfb59t.png)

Forget it, SKO.  It's ChuckTown.

I'm aware, but I never get tired of that September statline by Alf. .754 slugging! That month was the balls.

Somehow in Chuck's polluted mind his 3-game sample size trumps an entire (pennant-striving) month's worth of work.  Because confirmation bias.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: PenFoe on March 25, 2015, 11:06:25 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 25, 2015, 11:03:01 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 10:59:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 25, 2015, 10:58:35 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 10:54:06 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on March 25, 2015, 10:45:21 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 10:32:35 AM
it's just hard for me to hate a guy who has been awful when it doesn't matter.

Alfonso Soriano - Career Cubs Playoff totals:

AB    R   H   2B   3B   HR   RBI   SB   CS   BB   SO    BA     OBP    SLG    OPS
28    0   3    0   0     0    0     0    0    1    8   0.107  0.138  0.107  0.245


And how'd they make the playoffs in 2007?

(http://i62.tinypic.com/xfb59t.png)

Forget it, SKO.  It's ChuckTown.

I'm aware, but I never get tired of that September statline by Alf. .754 slugging! That month was the balls.

Somehow in Chuck's Huey's polluted mind Dempster's one playoff start his 3-game sample size trumps his entire Cubs career an entire (pennant-striving) month's worth of work.  Because confirmation bias.

PotKettle'd
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: SKO on March 25, 2015, 11:08:38 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on March 25, 2015, 11:06:25 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 25, 2015, 11:03:01 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 10:59:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 25, 2015, 10:58:35 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 10:54:06 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on March 25, 2015, 10:45:21 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 10:32:35 AM
it's just hard for me to hate a guy who has been awful when it doesn't matter.

Alfonso Soriano - Career Cubs Playoff totals:

AB    R   H   2B   3B   HR   RBI   SB   CS   BB   SO    BA     OBP    SLG    OPS
28    0   3    0   0     0    0     0    0    1    8   0.107  0.138  0.107  0.245


And how'd they make the playoffs in 2007?

(http://i62.tinypic.com/xfb59t.png)

Forget it, SKO.  It's ChuckTown.

I'm aware, but I never get tired of that September statline by Alf. .754 slugging! That month was the balls.

Somehow in Chuck's Huey's polluted mind Dempster's one playoff start his 3-game sample size trumps his entire Cubs career an entire (pennant-striving) month's worth of work.  Because confirmation bias.

PotKettle'd

Huey is about to post some shit about 2004 so brace yourself.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on March 25, 2015, 11:57:18 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 11:08:38 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on March 25, 2015, 11:06:25 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 25, 2015, 11:03:01 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 10:59:49 AM
Quote from: PANK! on March 25, 2015, 10:58:35 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 10:54:06 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on March 25, 2015, 10:45:21 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 10:32:35 AM
it's just hard for me to hate a guy who has been awful when it doesn't matter.

Alfonso Soriano - Career Cubs Playoff totals:

AB    R   H   2B   3B   HR   RBI   SB   CS   BB   SO    BA     OBP    SLG    OPS
28    0   3    0   0     0    0     0    0    1    8   0.107  0.138  0.107  0.245


And how'd they make the playoffs in 2007?

(http://i62.tinypic.com/xfb59t.png)

Forget it, SKO.  It's ChuckTown.

I'm aware, but I never get tired of that September statline by Alf. .754 slugging! That month was the balls.

Somehow in Chuck's Huey's polluted mind Dempster's one playoff start his 3-game sample size trumps his entire Cubs career an entire (pennant-striving) month's worth of work.  Because confirmation bias.

PotKettle'd

Huey is about to post some shit about 2004 so brace yourself.

Yeah how many times do I have to point out that Dempster shit the tub in TWO different seasons?  Sheesh.

Also Dempster never put the whole goddamn team on his back and carried them into the playoffs like Soriano did in '07. He had an exceptional regular season in '08 but that team nearly won 100 games and  practically ran away with the division and would've made the playoffs even without that ginger asshat whose antics you cockmunches love to enable so fuckall.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: Eli on March 25, 2015, 12:06:19 PM
I feel like this is finally the time we all change Chuck's mind about Soriano.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: PenFoe on March 25, 2015, 12:08:23 PM
Quote from: Eli on March 25, 2015, 12:06:19 PM
I feel like this is finally the time we all change Chuck's mind about Soriano.

(http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md04lmEl9u1qzqnxxo1_500.gif)
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: CBStew on March 25, 2015, 01:03:25 PM
"...even without that ginger asshat whose antics you cockmunches love to enable so fuckall."   
Pure poetry.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on March 25, 2015, 01:06:04 PM
Quote from: CBStew on March 25, 2015, 01:03:25 PM
"...even without that ginger asshat whose antics you cockmunches love to enable so fuckall."   
Pure poetry.

*tips cap*
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: Chuck to Chuck on March 25, 2015, 01:43:41 PM
Quote from: PANK! on March 25, 2015, 11:57:18 AM
Yeah how many times do I have to point out that Dempster Soriano shit the tub in TWO different post seasons?  Sheesh.

Alf'd.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: Yeti on March 25, 2015, 01:44:44 PM
Quote from: Eli on March 25, 2015, 12:06:19 PM
I feel like this is finally the time we all change Chuck's mind about Soriano.

If we stop arguing because we don't think we'll change the other's mind, then I won't get to watch SKO-Pen battles anymore... And I'll be sad for it.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on March 25, 2015, 01:49:30 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 10:54:06 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on March 25, 2015, 10:45:21 AM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 10:32:35 AM
it's just hard for me to hate a guy who has been awful when it doesn't matter.

Alfonso Soriano - Career Cubs Playoff totals:

AB    R   H   2B   3B   HR   RBI   SB   CS   BB   SO    BA     OBP    SLG    OPS
28    0   3    0   0     0    0     0    0    1    8   0.107  0.138  0.107  0.245


And how'd they make the playoffs in 2007?

(http://i62.tinypic.com/xfb59t.png)

FYC.

Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 08:06:15 AM
To date all Edwin Jackson has ever done is lose games that don't matter and that the Cubs were better off losing anyways. That he's made mid-tier starter money for that on a team is no skin off of my balls. I don't think the Cubs have any intention of letting him flail away in games they actually hope to win, so I have a hard time getting my hate up for him. He belongs in the Ruben Quevedo waste bin of guys on bad Cubs teams I'll look back on and go "oh yeah, that guy! Yeah he was awful" and not in the Sean Estes group of guys who angered my anger beyond all anger everytime they took the ball and hurt the team's chances. That group also includes any start made by Jason Marquis after June in 2007 or 2008.

This post.  I forgot all about Ruben Quevedo, holy shit.  Ol' number 48.  Which is almost as many starts (43) as the Brewers hilariously gave him.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: SKO on March 25, 2015, 01:51:13 PM
Quote from: Yeti on March 25, 2015, 01:44:44 PM
Quote from: Eli on March 25, 2015, 12:06:19 PM
I feel like this is finally the time we all change Chuck's mind about Soriano.

If we stop arguing because we don't think we'll change the other's mind, then I won't get to watch SKO-Pen battles anymore... And I'll be sad for it.

Eli would just like the internet a lot better without all of the pointless arguments and the time we waste making fun of infuriating opinions posted by stupid people. Is that so much to ask, really?
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: PenFoe on March 25, 2015, 01:52:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 01:51:13 PM
Quote from: Yeti on March 25, 2015, 01:44:44 PM
Quote from: Eli on March 25, 2015, 12:06:19 PM
I feel like this is finally the time we all change Chuck's mind about Soriano.

If we stop arguing because we don't think we'll change the other's mind, then I won't get to watch SKO-Pen battles anymore... And I'll be sad for it.

Eli would just like the internet a lot better without all of the pointless arguments and the time we waste making fun of infuriating opinions posted by stupid people. Is that so much to ask, really?

Now, if you'll excuse him, he has to go back to playing the part of the Cubs troll.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: Brownie on March 25, 2015, 01:56:29 PM
I am bad at my job and I went to the wrong work site due to really awful Googling. By all means, keep me on staff Because I bring doughnuts to the office frequently.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: SKO on March 25, 2015, 01:59:30 PM
Quote from: Brownie on March 25, 2015, 01:56:29 PM
I am bad at my job and I went to the wrong work site due to really awful Googling. By all means, keep me on staff Because I bring doughnuts to the office frequently.

To be fair to Sterling, I don't think he was suggesting the Cubs actually keep Edlose in the rotation or anything because he's a nice guy, he was just showing human decency toward a guy who seems like he's not a bad dude. Which I think we can all agree is pretty lame.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: Eli on March 25, 2015, 02:40:22 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on March 25, 2015, 01:52:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 01:51:13 PM
Quote from: Yeti on March 25, 2015, 01:44:44 PM
Quote from: Eli on March 25, 2015, 12:06:19 PM
I feel like this is finally the time we all change Chuck's mind about Soriano.

If we stop arguing because we don't think we'll change the other's mind, then I won't get to watch SKO-Pen battles anymore... And I'll be sad for it.

Eli would just like the internet a lot better without all of the pointless arguments and the time we waste making fun of infuriating opinions posted by stupid people. Is that so much to ask, really?

Now, if you'll excuse him, he has to go back to playing the part of the Cubs troll.

(http://i.imgur.com/BUp5odb.gif)
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: PenFoe on March 25, 2015, 03:02:53 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 01:59:30 PM
Quote from: Brownie on March 25, 2015, 01:56:29 PM
I am bad at my job and I went to the wrong work site due to really awful Googling. By all means, keep me on staff Because I bring doughnuts to the office frequently.

To be fair to Sterling, I don't think he was suggesting the Cubs actually keep Edlose in the rotation or anything because he's a nice guy, he was just showing human decency toward a guy who seems like he's not a bad dude. Which I think we can all agree is pretty lame.

Some is about to get branded a Edwin fan for life, I just can't quite figure out which one of you two sadsacks it is.

Or is it already RV?
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: Saul Goodman on March 25, 2015, 03:05:32 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on March 25, 2015, 03:02:53 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 01:59:30 PM
Quote from: Brownie on March 25, 2015, 01:56:29 PM
I am bad at my job and I went to the wrong work site due to really awful Googling. By all means, keep me on staff Because I bring doughnuts to the office frequently.

To be fair to Sterling, I don't think he was suggesting the Cubs actually keep Edlose in the rotation or anything because he's a nice guy, he was just showing human decency toward a guy who seems like he's not a bad dude. Which I think we can all agree is pretty lame.

Some is about to get branded a Edwin fan for life, I just can't quite figure out which one of you two sadsacks it is.

Or is it already RV?

I'm a fan of his bad pitching in games that don't matter helping the Cubs get better draft position, if that counts.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: PenFoe on March 25, 2015, 03:22:08 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on March 25, 2015, 03:05:32 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on March 25, 2015, 03:02:53 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 01:59:30 PM
Quote from: Brownie on March 25, 2015, 01:56:29 PM
I am bad at my job and I went to the wrong work site due to really awful Googling. By all means, keep me on staff Because I bring doughnuts to the office frequently.

To be fair to Sterling, I don't think he was suggesting the Cubs actually keep Edlose in the rotation or anything because he's a nice guy, he was just showing human decency toward a guy who seems like he's not a bad dude. Which I think we can all agree is pretty lame.

Some is about to get branded a Edwin fan for life, I just can't quite figure out which one of you two sadsacks it is.

Or is it already RV?

I'm a fan of his bad pitching in games that don't matter helping the Cubs get better draft position, if that counts.

This is the smartest thing you've ever said.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: J. Walter Weatherman on March 25, 2015, 04:46:27 PM
Quote from: Eli on March 25, 2015, 02:40:22 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on March 25, 2015, 01:52:11 PM
Quote from: SKO on March 25, 2015, 01:51:13 PM
Quote from: Yeti on March 25, 2015, 01:44:44 PM
Quote from: Eli on March 25, 2015, 12:06:19 PM
I feel like this is finally the time we all change Chuck's mind about Soriano.

If we stop arguing because we don't think we'll change the other's mind, then I won't get to watch SKO-Pen battles anymore... And I'll be sad for it.

Eli would just like the internet a lot better without all of the pointless arguments and the time we waste making fun of infuriating opinions posted by stupid people. Is that so much to ask, really?

Now, if you'll excuse him, he has to go back to playing the part of the Cubs troll.

(http://i.imgur.com/BUp5odb.gif)

(http://i.imgur.com/H6YuOOC.jpg)
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: R-V on March 25, 2015, 04:51:12 PM
Quote from: PANK! on March 25, 2015, 10:33:00 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on March 25, 2015, 10:28:25 AM
Jesus, you people tolerate so much bullshit.

Wait until RV arises from the dead to point out how superawesome Edlose's peripherals are.

His 2013 xFIP wasn't too bad and was in line with his 2012 season that netted him his Cubs contract.

I'd say he's arguably one of the top 3 or 4 MLB pitchers of the last decade.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: SKO on April 23, 2015, 01:44:17 PM
Okay NOW this guy can get properly fucked. Jesus mother fucking christ the middle relief on this team is a goddamn nightmare.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: Quality Start Machine on April 23, 2015, 01:47:22 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 23, 2015, 01:44:17 PM
Okay NOW this guy can get properly fucked. Jesus mother fucking christ the middle relief on this team is a goddamn nightmare.

Castillo throwing runners into scoring position didn't help.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: PenFoe on April 23, 2015, 01:49:27 PM
I want full apologies for all these assholes on Desipio and Twitter who were pretending that E-Jax was some fucking revelation in the bullpen because he had a few good innings.

"Oh, he's better suited for relief!"

No, he fucking sucks and he just happened to not suck for like 50 pitches. 
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: SKO on April 23, 2015, 01:51:15 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 23, 2015, 01:49:27 PM
I want full apologies for all these assholes on Desipio and Twitter who were pretending that E-Jax was some fucking revelation in the bullpen because he had a few good innings.

"Oh, he's better suited for relief!"

No, he fucking sucks and he just happened to not suck for like 50 pitches. 

To be fair, I think 90% of those people thought "at least try him rather than Schlitter for the 50th time in a row." Turns out the answer is the same.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: Quality Start Machine on April 23, 2015, 03:05:51 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 23, 2015, 01:49:27 PM
I want full apologies for all these assholes on Desipio and Twitter who were pretending that E-Jax was some fucking revelation in the bullpen because he had a few good innings.

"Oh, he's better suited for relief!"

No, he fucking sucks and he just happened to not suck for like 50 pitches. 

He's better suited to eating garbage innings. Not coming in with guys on base when the Cubs are in position to win.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: Eli on April 23, 2015, 03:08:00 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 23, 2015, 03:05:51 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 23, 2015, 01:49:27 PM
I want full apologies for all these assholes on Desipio and Twitter who were pretending that E-Jax was some fucking revelation in the bullpen because he had a few good innings.

"Oh, he's better suited for relief!"

No, he fucking sucks and he just happened to not suck for like 50 pitches. 

He's better suited to eating garbage innings. Not coming in with guys on base when the Cubs are in position to win.

I'd like to see Maddon be more creative with his bullpen. Maybe try Strop in that situation. It's unconventional, but there's a good chance it's the highest leverage situation remaining in that ballgame.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: SKO on April 23, 2015, 03:12:34 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 23, 2015, 03:08:00 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 23, 2015, 03:05:51 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 23, 2015, 01:49:27 PM
I want full apologies for all these assholes on Desipio and Twitter who were pretending that E-Jax was some fucking revelation in the bullpen because he had a few good innings.

"Oh, he's better suited for relief!"

No, he fucking sucks and he just happened to not suck for like 50 pitches. 

He's better suited to eating garbage innings. Not coming in with guys on base when the Cubs are in position to win.

I'd like to see Maddon be more creative with his bullpen. Maybe try Strop in that situation. It's unconventional, but there's a good chance it's the highest leverage situation remaining in that ballgame.

THIS. Every time I bitch about Schlitter someone points out he kinda has to be up given the state of the roster and the injuries, to which I say give him his own inning, even if that's the 8th or whatever. Use your best reliever to get you out of the jams and then see if Schlitter/Jackson can get through an inning without creating their own messes. If Strop comes in and slams the door at 4-1 in the 6th, Edwin could have fucked away one run in his inning and Schlitter fucked away a run in the 8th and you still hand the lead to Rondon.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: Eli on April 23, 2015, 03:15:57 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 23, 2015, 03:12:34 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 23, 2015, 03:08:00 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 23, 2015, 03:05:51 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 23, 2015, 01:49:27 PM
I want full apologies for all these assholes on Desipio and Twitter who were pretending that E-Jax was some fucking revelation in the bullpen because he had a few good innings.

"Oh, he's better suited for relief!"

No, he fucking sucks and he just happened to not suck for like 50 pitches. 

He's better suited to eating garbage innings. Not coming in with guys on base when the Cubs are in position to win.

I'd like to see Maddon be more creative with his bullpen. Maybe try Strop in that situation. It's unconventional, but there's a good chance it's the highest leverage situation remaining in that ballgame.

THIS. Every time I bitch about Schlitter someone points out he kinda has to be up given the state of the roster and the injuries, to which I say give him his own inning, even if that's the 8th or whatever. Use your best reliever to get you out of the jams and then see if Schlitter/Jackson can get through an inning without creating their own messes. If Strop comes in and slams the door at 4-1 in the 6th, Edwin could have fucked away one run in his inning and Schlitter fucked away a run in the 8th and you still hand the lead to Rondon.

I'm just surprised he hasn't been more unconventional. He's done plenty of weird, quirky things and I don't feel like this is even that far out there.

I still like Maddon, but I think you can easily make a case that better bullpen management would have swung one or two of these losses to a win.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on April 23, 2015, 03:26:00 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 23, 2015, 03:12:34 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 23, 2015, 03:08:00 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 23, 2015, 03:05:51 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 23, 2015, 01:49:27 PM
I want full apologies for all these assholes on Desipio and Twitter who were pretending that E-Jax was some fucking revelation in the bullpen because he had a few good innings.

"Oh, he's better suited for relief!"

No, he fucking sucks and he just happened to not suck for like 50 pitches. 

He's better suited to eating garbage innings. Not coming in with guys on base when the Cubs are in position to win.

I'd like to see Maddon be more creative with his bullpen. Maybe try Strop in that situation. It's unconventional, but there's a good chance it's the highest leverage situation remaining in that ballgame.

THIS. Every time I bitch about Schlitter someone points out he kinda has to be up given the state of the roster and the injuries, to which I say give him his own inning, even if that's the 8th or whatever. Use your best reliever to get you out of the jams and then see if Schlitter/Jackson can get through an inning without creating their own messes. If Strop comes in and slams the door at 4-1 in the 6th, Edwin could have fucked away one run in his inning and Schlitter fucked away a run in the 8th and you still hand the lead to Rondon.

It's almost like a total Joe Maddon soft-serve-poop-on-conventional-baseball-wisdom move to put in Strop (earlier in the game) to shut the door on the middle of the Pirates lineup that did the damage (Polanco and Walker, I believe) and hopefully after he does that, then you can bring in Motte or Schlitter or Jackson to get the shmucks like Jordy Mercer, Chris Stewart and Sean Rodriguez out. And if they don't, then we starts the firebarnin.

But, it was a three run lead. Three runs. Three. It just sucks to lose one like this, but April and all that.

On the other hand, MEANINGFUL GAMES IN APRIL! :joyful positive:
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: SKO on April 23, 2015, 03:30:59 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 23, 2015, 03:26:00 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 23, 2015, 03:12:34 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 23, 2015, 03:08:00 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 23, 2015, 03:05:51 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 23, 2015, 01:49:27 PM
I want full apologies for all these assholes on Desipio and Twitter who were pretending that E-Jax was some fucking revelation in the bullpen because he had a few good innings.

"Oh, he's better suited for relief!"

No, he fucking sucks and he just happened to not suck for like 50 pitches.  

He's better suited to eating garbage innings. Not coming in with guys on base when the Cubs are in position to win.

I'd like to see Maddon be more creative with his bullpen. Maybe try Strop in that situation. It's unconventional, but there's a good chance it's the highest leverage situation remaining in that ballgame.

THIS. Every time I bitch about Schlitter someone points out he kinda has to be up given the state of the roster and the injuries, to which I say give him his own inning, even if that's the 8th or whatever. Use your best reliever to get you out of the jams and then see if Schlitter/Jackson can get through an inning without creating their own messes. If Strop comes in and slams the door at 4-1 in the 6th, Edwin could have fucked away one run in his inning and Schlitter fucked away a run in the 8th and you still hand the lead to Rondon.

It's almost like a total Joe Maddon soft-serve-poop-on-conventional-baseball-wisdom move to put in Strop (earlier in the game) to shut the door on the middle of the Pirates lineup that did the damage (Polanco and Walker, I believe) and hopefully after he does that, then you can bring in Motte or Schlitter or Jackson to get the shmucks like Jordy Mercer, Chris Stewart and Sean Rodriguez out. And if they don't, then we starts the firebarnin.

But, it was a three run lead. Three runs. Three. It just sucks to lose one like this, but April and all that.

On the other hand, MEANINGFUL GAMES IN APRIL! :joyful positive:

Yeah, it was a three run lead, with some of those runs already on base. Use Strop there, and then give Schlitter or whoever starts the 7th the cushion of an actual three run lead.

Both pitchers were put in situations where the only way to win is not allow a single hit, which is a bad situation to put your worst pitchers in, rather than elite strikeout artist like Strop. If Jackson gives up one meaningless single and then gets three outs in his own inning, no problem. But that one single he gave up in a high leverage situation was killer.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: SKO on April 23, 2015, 03:41:25 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 23, 2015, 03:26:00 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 23, 2015, 03:12:34 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 23, 2015, 03:08:00 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 23, 2015, 03:05:51 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 23, 2015, 01:49:27 PM
I want full apologies for all these assholes on Desipio and Twitter who were pretending that E-Jax was some fucking revelation in the bullpen because he had a few good innings.

"Oh, he's better suited for relief!"

No, he fucking sucks and he just happened to not suck for like 50 pitches. 

He's better suited to eating garbage innings. Not coming in with guys on base when the Cubs are in position to win.

I'd like to see Maddon be more creative with his bullpen. Maybe try Strop in that situation. It's unconventional, but there's a good chance it's the highest leverage situation remaining in that ballgame.

THIS. Every time I bitch about Schlitter someone points out he kinda has to be up given the state of the roster and the injuries, to which I say give him his own inning, even if that's the 8th or whatever. Use your best reliever to get you out of the jams and then see if Schlitter/Jackson can get through an inning without creating their own messes. If Strop comes in and slams the door at 4-1 in the 6th, Edwin could have fucked away one run in his inning and Schlitter fucked away a run in the 8th and you still hand the lead to Rondon.

It's almost like a total Joe Maddon soft-serve-poop-on-conventional-baseball-wisdom move to put in Strop (earlier in the game) to shut the door on the middle of the Pirates lineup that did the damage (Polanco and Walker, I believe) and hopefully after he does that, then you can bring in Motte or Schlitter or Jackson to get the shmucks like Jordy Mercer, Chris Stewart and Sean Rodriguez out. And if they don't, then we starts the firebarnin.

But, it was a three run lead. Three runs. Three. It just sucks to lose one like this, but April and all that.

On the other hand, MEANINGFUL GAMES IN APRIL! :joyful positive:

Also the return of meaningful games in April means the return of bitching about losing meaningful games in April. The expectation was the Cubs would be good again this year, it's alright to get upset when they disappoint. You don't have to just be solely grateful for a team that isn't awful.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on April 23, 2015, 03:50:45 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 23, 2015, 03:41:25 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 23, 2015, 03:26:00 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 23, 2015, 03:12:34 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 23, 2015, 03:08:00 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 23, 2015, 03:05:51 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 23, 2015, 01:49:27 PM
I want full apologies for all these assholes on Desipio and Twitter who were pretending that E-Jax was some fucking revelation in the bullpen because he had a few good innings.

"Oh, he's better suited for relief!"

No, he fucking sucks and he just happened to not suck for like 50 pitches. 

He's better suited to eating garbage innings. Not coming in with guys on base when the Cubs are in position to win.

I'd like to see Maddon be more creative with his bullpen. Maybe try Strop in that situation. It's unconventional, but there's a good chance it's the highest leverage situation remaining in that ballgame.

THIS. Every time I bitch about Schlitter someone points out he kinda has to be up given the state of the roster and the injuries, to which I say give him his own inning, even if that's the 8th or whatever. Use your best reliever to get you out of the jams and then see if Schlitter/Jackson can get through an inning without creating their own messes. If Strop comes in and slams the door at 4-1 in the 6th, Edwin could have fucked away one run in his inning and Schlitter fucked away a run in the 8th and you still hand the lead to Rondon.

It's almost like a total Joe Maddon soft-serve-poop-on-conventional-baseball-wisdom move to put in Strop (earlier in the game) to shut the door on the middle of the Pirates lineup that did the damage (Polanco and Walker, I believe) and hopefully after he does that, then you can bring in Motte or Schlitter or Jackson to get the shmucks like Jordy Mercer, Chris Stewart and Sean Rodriguez out. And if they don't, then we starts the firebarnin.

But, it was a three run lead. Three runs. Three. It just sucks to lose one like this, but April and all that.

On the other hand, MEANINGFUL GAMES IN APRIL! :joyful positive:

Also the return of meaningful games in April means the return of bitching about losing meaningful games in April. The expectation was the Cubs would be good again this year, it's alright to get upset when they disappoint. You don't have to just be solely grateful for a team that isn't awful.

So it's okay to admit that I'm bummed we lost today? Because a split should be good enough, but it doesn't feel like it.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: SKO on April 23, 2015, 03:51:50 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 23, 2015, 03:50:45 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 23, 2015, 03:41:25 PM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on April 23, 2015, 03:26:00 PM
Quote from: SKO on April 23, 2015, 03:12:34 PM
Quote from: Eli on April 23, 2015, 03:08:00 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 23, 2015, 03:05:51 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 23, 2015, 01:49:27 PM
I want full apologies for all these assholes on Desipio and Twitter who were pretending that E-Jax was some fucking revelation in the bullpen because he had a few good innings.

"Oh, he's better suited for relief!"

No, he fucking sucks and he just happened to not suck for like 50 pitches. 

He's better suited to eating garbage innings. Not coming in with guys on base when the Cubs are in position to win.

I'd like to see Maddon be more creative with his bullpen. Maybe try Strop in that situation. It's unconventional, but there's a good chance it's the highest leverage situation remaining in that ballgame.

THIS. Every time I bitch about Schlitter someone points out he kinda has to be up given the state of the roster and the injuries, to which I say give him his own inning, even if that's the 8th or whatever. Use your best reliever to get you out of the jams and then see if Schlitter/Jackson can get through an inning without creating their own messes. If Strop comes in and slams the door at 4-1 in the 6th, Edwin could have fucked away one run in his inning and Schlitter fucked away a run in the 8th and you still hand the lead to Rondon.

It's almost like a total Joe Maddon soft-serve-poop-on-conventional-baseball-wisdom move to put in Strop (earlier in the game) to shut the door on the middle of the Pirates lineup that did the damage (Polanco and Walker, I believe) and hopefully after he does that, then you can bring in Motte or Schlitter or Jackson to get the shmucks like Jordy Mercer, Chris Stewart and Sean Rodriguez out. And if they don't, then we starts the firebarnin.

But, it was a three run lead. Three runs. Three. It just sucks to lose one like this, but April and all that.

On the other hand, MEANINGFUL GAMES IN APRIL! :joyful positive:

Also the return of meaningful games in April means the return of bitching about losing meaningful games in April. The expectation was the Cubs would be good again this year, it's alright to get upset when they disappoint. You don't have to just be solely grateful for a team that isn't awful.

So it's okay to admit that I'm bummed we lost today? Because a split should be good enough, but it doesn't feel like it.

Yes. Hell son, it's even okay to say Theo and Jed probably could have done better at finding a lefty reliever then waiting around for six months and picking Phil Coke off the scrap heap. You're not being any less grateful than you need to be to them for signing Jorge Soler by doing so. Bitch, son. It's sports.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: Shooter on April 23, 2015, 07:27:50 PM
Quote from: Median Desipio Chucklehead on April 23, 2015, 03:05:51 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 23, 2015, 01:49:27 PM
I want full apologies for all these assholes on Desipio and Twitter who were pretending that E-Jax was some fucking revelation in the bullpen because he had a few good innings.

"Oh, he's better suited for relief!"

No, he fucking sucks and he just happened to not suck for like 50 pitches. 

He's better suited to eating garbage innings. Not coming in with guys on base when the Cubs are in position to win.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: PenFoe on May 06, 2015, 10:42:33 AM
Quote from: PenFoe on April 23, 2015, 01:49:27 PM
I want full apologies for all these assholes on Desipio and Twitter who were pretending that E-Jax was some fucking revelation in the bullpen because he had a few good innings.

"Oh, he's better suited for relief!"

No, he fucking sucks and he just happened to not suck for like 50 pitches. 
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on May 10, 2015, 07:37:52 AM
I could embrace David Ross, knuckleballing reliever far more than Edwin Fucking Jackson.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: Powdered Toast Man on May 12, 2015, 08:17:14 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 10, 2015, 07:37:52 AM
I could embrace David Ross, knuckleballing reliever far more than Edwin Fucking Jackson.

Meatball after meatball after meatball after fucking meatball, Edwin Jackson just needs to be released.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: World's #1 Astros Fan on May 12, 2015, 08:39:43 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 12, 2015, 08:17:14 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 10, 2015, 07:37:52 AM
I could embrace David Ross, knuckleballing reliever far more than Edwin Fucking Jackson.

Meatball after meatball after meatball after fucking meatball, Edwin Jackson just needs to be released.

Timely!

Unless something else prompted this...like a hurricane wiping out *IAN's connection for 2 days.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: Eli on May 12, 2015, 09:01:54 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 12, 2015, 08:39:43 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 12, 2015, 08:17:14 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 10, 2015, 07:37:52 AM
I could embrace David Ross, knuckleballing reliever far more than Edwin Fucking Jackson.

Meatball after meatball after meatball after fucking meatball, Edwin Jackson just needs to be released.

Timely!

Unless something else prompted this...like a hurricane wiping out *IAN's connection for 2 days.

I saw this had been bumped on a day after Jackson hadn't pitched, I was sure he had been DFA'd. Thanks for nothing, IAN.
Title: Re: The Fuck Edwin Jackson Anti-Positivity Thread
Post by: Bort on May 12, 2015, 09:09:17 AM
Quote from: Eli on May 12, 2015, 09:01:54 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 12, 2015, 08:39:43 AM
Quote from: Powdered Toast Man on May 12, 2015, 08:17:14 AM
Quote from: PANK! on May 10, 2015, 07:37:52 AM
I could embrace David Ross, knuckleballing reliever far more than Edwin Fucking Jackson.

Meatball after meatball after meatball after fucking meatball, Edwin Jackson just needs to be released.

Timely!

Unless something else prompted this...like a hurricane wiping out *IAN's connection for 2 days.

I saw this had been bumped on a day after Jackson hadn't pitched, I was sure he had been DFA'd. Thanks for nothing, IAN.

God damn it, IAN.