https://vine.co/v/MVhpXPJtpE7 Matt Scott. All he does is vomit and throw touchdowns, son.
What in the fuck, Packers? (http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/8/21/6053615/packers-stadium-food-horse-collar-sausage-toilet-seat)
Could you stop trying to be so fucking gross for two seconds, Wisconsin?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bvk9XOrIAAApvhO.jpg)
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:39:04 PM
What in the fuck, Packers? (http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/8/21/6053615/packers-stadium-food-horse-collar-sausage-toilet-seat)
Could you stop trying to be so fucking gross for two seconds, Wisconsin?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bvk9XOrIAAApvhO.jpg)
It looks like a conceptual art project dreamed up by a culinary school dropout.
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:39:04 PM
What in the fuck, Packers? (http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/8/21/6053615/packers-stadium-food-horse-collar-sausage-toilet-seat)
Could you stop trying to be so fucking gross for two seconds, Wisconsin?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bvk9XOrIAAApvhO.jpg)
They're just celebrating Peter King's website calling them the deepest and most talented team in the NFC. Because super deep teams give up 30 points a game and lose seven games when Aaron Rodgers and Clay Matthews go down. I guess Seattle and San Francisco just stopped playing, or something.
Quote from: SKO on August 21, 2014, 01:49:50 PM
They're just celebrating Peter King's website calling them the deepest and most talented team in the NFC. Because super deep teams give up 30 points a game and lose seven games when Aaron Rodgers and Clay Matthews go down. I guess Seattle and San Francisco just stopped playing, or something.
Dynamite segue, SKO.
Quote from: Eli on August 21, 2014, 02:08:39 PM
Quote from: SKO on August 21, 2014, 01:49:50 PM
They're just celebrating Peter King's website calling them the deepest and most talented team in the NFC. Because super deep teams give up 30 points a game and lose seven games when Aaron Rodgers and Clay Matthews go down. I guess Seattle and San Francisco just stopped playing, or something.
Dynamite segue, SKO.
SKO's gonna drown his anger in 3 of those sausages and then go write a 10,000-word "Open Letter to Peter King"
Back on topic. While large in proportion, that horse collar thing looks tasty. I'd go halfsies on one.
Quote from: ChuckD on August 21, 2014, 02:12:14 PM
Back on topic. While large in proportion, that horse collar thing looks tasty. I'd go halfsies on one.
I think it looks gross. But I love a big sausage less than most, I suppose.
Quote from: ChuckD on August 21, 2014, 02:12:14 PM
Back on topic. While large in proportion, that horse collar thing looks tasty. I'd go halfsies on one.
Says the only guy here who lives in Wisconsin.
Quote from: ChuckD on August 21, 2014, 02:12:14 PM
Back on topic. While large in proportion, that horse collar thing looks tasty. I'd go halfsies on one.
I'm with Chuck.
SHOCKING that Pen the Militant Vegan was rendered half-knelt at the toilet in reaction to it.
Quote from: PANK! on August 21, 2014, 02:33:22 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on August 21, 2014, 02:12:14 PM
Back on topic. While large in proportion, that horse collar thing looks tasty. I'd go halfsies on one.
I'm with Chuck.
SHOCKING that Pen the Militant Vegan was rendered half-knelt at the toilet in reaction to it.
How many of those can you fit in your pannier you fat blob?
Quote from: Richard Chuggar on August 21, 2014, 02:55:13 PM
Quote from: PANK! on August 21, 2014, 02:33:22 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on August 21, 2014, 02:12:14 PM
Back on topic. While large in proportion, that horse collar thing looks tasty. I'd go halfsies on one.
I'm with Chuck.
SHOCKING that Pen the Militant Vegan was rendered half-knelt at the toilet in reaction to it.
How many of those can you fit in your pannier you fat blob?
They wouldn't even make it back to the bike rack.
Quote from: ChuckD on August 21, 2014, 02:12:14 PM
Back on topic. While large in proportion, that horse collar thing looks tasty. I'd go halfsies on one.
What is that white stuff oozing over and around the sausage? Wait. Don't answer. I withdraw the question.
Why is Chris Conte still here I hate this team so much FIRE EMERY (https://twitter.com/ZachZaidman/status/507629726198808577)
Quote from: SKO on August 21, 2014, 02:13:22 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on August 21, 2014, 02:12:14 PM
Back on topic. While large in proportion, that horse collar thing looks tasty. I'd go halfsies on one.
I think it looks gross. But I love a big sausage less than most, I suppose.
It's a metric Tonkful of encased meat, bread, something called beer cheese, and onions. What the fuck is not to like? What, more to the point, the fuck is wrong with you people?
BEER CHEESE.
Everything about this league is terrible.
Quote from: SKO on September 12, 2014, 03:46:11 PM
Everything about this league is terrible.
They could actually improve their image by having a three-hour long tribute to O.J. Simpson.
Quote from: Fork on September 12, 2014, 04:27:40 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 12, 2014, 03:46:11 PM
Everything about this league is terrible.
They could actually improve their image by having a three-hour long tribute to O.J. Simpson.
Better yet, make him the new commissioner.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 12, 2014, 04:30:24 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 12, 2014, 04:27:40 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 12, 2014, 03:46:11 PM
Everything about this league is terrible.
They could actually improve their image by having a three-hour long tribute to O.J. Simpson.
Better yet, make him the new commissioner.
Why? Is Charles Manson not available?
Today I've learned a horrifying number of people think that beating a kid bloody is just good old fashioned discipline. Guh.
Quote from: SKO on September 12, 2014, 11:27:09 PM
Today I've learned a horrifying number of people think that beating a FOUR YEAR OLD kid bloody WITH A GODDAMN TREE BRANCH is just good old fashioned discipline. Guh.
Clarified. Fucking awful.
Quote from: R-V on September 13, 2014, 10:21:03 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 12, 2014, 11:27:09 PM
Today I've learned a horrifying number of people think that beating a FOUR YEAR OLD kid bloody WITH A GODDAMN TREE BRANCH is just good old fashioned discipline. Guh.
Clarified. Fucking awful.
Looking forward to the press conference when the kid apologizes for his role, the Vikings live-tweet it, and everyone talks about what a great guy Adrian Peterson is.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 14, 2014, 01:23:16 AM
Quote from: R-V on September 13, 2014, 10:21:03 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 12, 2014, 11:27:09 PM
Today I've learned a horrifying number of people think that beating a FOUR YEAR OLD kid bloody WITH A GODDAMN TREE BRANCH is just good old fashioned discipline. Guh.
Clarified. Fucking awful.
Looking forward to the press conference when the kid apologizes for his role, the Vikings live-tweet it, and everyone talks about what a great guy Adrian Peterson is.
The other horrible thing is this smugness I've been seeing from fans of other sports - and since I follow hockey more closely than anything else, that's the one I see the most.
The only difference between the NHL and the NFL (other than billions of dollars), is there was no Semeyon Varlamov elevator video. So he was a Vezina finalist while his wife beater coach got the Jack Adams Trophy.
Quote from: SKO on September 12, 2014, 11:27:09 PM
Today I've learned a horrifying number of people think that beating a kid bloody is just good old fashioned discipline. Guh.
Quote from: BBM GREATGRANDFATHER
You sound like one of those libruls. Now go milk the cows before, I get really mad *plays whatever rural northern illinois version of the banjo is*
Quote from: BBM on September 15, 2014, 05:15:56 PM
Quote from: SKO on September 12, 2014, 11:27:09 PM
Today I've learned a horrifying number of people think that beating a kid bloody is just good old fashioned discipline. Guh.
Quote from: BBM GREATGRANDFATHER
You sound like one of those libruls. Now go milk the cows before, I get really mad *plays whatever rural northern illinois version of the banjo is*
bassoon?
Quote from: SKO on September 12, 2014, 11:27:09 PM
Today I've learned a horrifying number of people think that beating a kid bloody is just good old fashioned discipline. Guh.
I've abused my kids. I let one of them talk on a podcast.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 16, 2014, 09:36:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 12, 2014, 11:27:09 PM
Today I've learned a horrifying number of people think that beating a kid bloody is just good old fashioned discipline. Guh.
I've abused my kids. I let one of them talk on a podcast.
I like that kid. I have no idea how you raised that kid. His mother must be one incredibly rational human being.
I realized I was getting old when I said something about Bob Brenly's angry old uncle routine wearing on me toward the end of his run here and he said something about "not being old enough to really remember Bob's early years" with the Cubs and I wondered how a person could be that young and be on the internet. I WAS THE YOUNG GUY ON THE INTERNET ONCE. Then I turn around and I've spent seven years with you people.
Quote from: SKO on September 16, 2014, 10:10:21 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 16, 2014, 09:36:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 12, 2014, 11:27:09 PM
Today I've learned a horrifying number of people think that beating a kid bloody is just good old fashioned discipline. Guh.
I've abused my kids. I let one of them talk on a podcast.
I like that kid. I have no idea how you raised that kid. His mother must be one incredibly rational human being.
I realized I was getting old when I said something about Bob Brenly's angry old uncle routine wearing on me toward the end of his run here and he said something about "not being old enough to really remember Bob's early years" with the Cubs and I wondered how a person could be that young and be on the internet. I WAS THE YOUNG GUY ON THE INTERNET ONCE. Then I turn around and I've spent seven years with you people.
Nothing makes me cackle with more glee than Millennials facing their own mortality.
Well, Boomers actually dying might be more satisfying.
Quote from: Bort on September 16, 2014, 10:13:19 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 16, 2014, 10:10:21 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 16, 2014, 09:36:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 12, 2014, 11:27:09 PM
Today I've learned a horrifying number of people think that beating a kid bloody is just good old fashioned discipline. Guh.
I've abused my kids. I let one of them talk on a podcast.
I like that kid. I have no idea how you raised that kid. His mother must be one incredibly rational human being.
I realized I was getting old when I said something about Bob Brenly's angry old uncle routine wearing on me toward the end of his run here and he said something about "not being old enough to really remember Bob's early years" with the Cubs and I wondered how a person could be that young and be on the internet. I WAS THE YOUNG GUY ON THE INTERNET ONCE. Then I turn around and I've spent seven years with you people.
Nothing makes me cackle with more glee than Millennials facing their own mortality.
Well, Boomers actually dying might be more satisfying.
All in good time. We've got to finish screwing up the entire world first.
Quote from: Bort on September 16, 2014, 10:13:19 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 16, 2014, 10:10:21 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 16, 2014, 09:36:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 12, 2014, 11:27:09 PM
Today I've learned a horrifying number of people think that beating a kid bloody is just good old fashioned discipline. Guh.
I've abused my kids. I let one of them talk on a podcast.
I like that kid. I have no idea how you raised that kid. His mother must be one incredibly rational human being.
I realized I was getting old when I said something about Bob Brenly's angry old uncle routine wearing on me toward the end of his run here and he said something about "not being old enough to really remember Bob's early years" with the Cubs and I wondered how a person could be that young and be on the internet. I WAS THE YOUNG GUY ON THE INTERNET ONCE. Then I turn around and I've spent seven years with you people.
Nothing makes me cackle with more glee than Millennials facing their own mortality.
Well, Boomers actually dying might be more satisfying.
I just turned 26. Like, even at 25 you're still allowed to be a fuckup. But at 26 you're just considered an adult in every sense of the word and it SUCKS. I moved back into a dorm in protest.
Quote from: SKO on September 16, 2014, 10:38:39 AM
Quote from: Bort on September 16, 2014, 10:13:19 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 16, 2014, 10:10:21 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 16, 2014, 09:36:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 12, 2014, 11:27:09 PM
Today I've learned a horrifying number of people think that beating a kid bloody is just good old fashioned discipline. Guh.
I've abused my kids. I let one of them talk on a podcast.
I like that kid. I have no idea how you raised that kid. His mother must be one incredibly rational human being.
I realized I was getting old when I said something about Bob Brenly's angry old uncle routine wearing on me toward the end of his run here and he said something about "not being old enough to really remember Bob's early years" with the Cubs and I wondered how a person could be that young and be on the internet. I WAS THE YOUNG GUY ON THE INTERNET ONCE. Then I turn around and I've spent seven years with you people.
Nothing makes me cackle with more glee than Millennials facing their own mortality.
Well, Boomers actually dying might be more satisfying.
I just turned 26. Like, even at 25 you're still allowed to be a fuckup. But at 26 you're just considered an adult in every sense of the word and it SUCKS. I moved back into a dorm in protest.
It's even worse nowadays. LeBron wasn't allowed to have a press conference at a Boys and Girls Club at 25 to announce he was changing teams. You would think he had beaten those kids with switches rather than donated hundreds of computers to them. You've been fucking up for a long time SKO. And hell is coming to breakfast.
Quote from: InternetApex on September 16, 2014, 10:46:59 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 16, 2014, 10:38:39 AM
Quote from: Bort on September 16, 2014, 10:13:19 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 16, 2014, 10:10:21 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 16, 2014, 09:36:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 12, 2014, 11:27:09 PM
Today I've learned a horrifying number of people think that beating a kid bloody is just good old fashioned discipline. Guh.
I've abused my kids. I let one of them talk on a podcast.
I like that kid. I have no idea how you raised that kid. His mother must be one incredibly rational human being.
I realized I was getting old when I said something about Bob Brenly's angry old uncle routine wearing on me toward the end of his run here and he said something about "not being old enough to really remember Bob's early years" with the Cubs and I wondered how a person could be that young and be on the internet. I WAS THE YOUNG GUY ON THE INTERNET ONCE. Then I turn around and I've spent seven years with you people.
Nothing makes me cackle with more glee than Millennials facing their own mortality.
Well, Boomers actually dying might be more satisfying.
I just turned 26. Like, even at 25 you're still allowed to be a fuckup. But at 26 you're just considered an adult in every sense of the word and it SUCKS. I moved back into a dorm in protest.
It's even worse nowadays. LeBron wasn't allowed to have a press conference at a Boys and Girls Club at 25 to announce he was changing teams. You would think he had beaten those kids with switches rather than donated hundreds of computers to them. You've been fucking up for a long time SKO. And hell is coming to breakfast.
I laughed at this. Like, really loudly
Quote from: flannj on September 16, 2014, 10:32:30 AM
Quote from: Bort on September 16, 2014, 10:13:19 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 16, 2014, 10:10:21 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 16, 2014, 09:36:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 12, 2014, 11:27:09 PM
Today I've learned a horrifying number of people think that beating a kid bloody is just good old fashioned discipline. Guh.
I've abused my kids. I let one of them talk on a podcast.
I like that kid. I have no idea how you raised that kid. His mother must be one incredibly rational human being.
I realized I was getting old when I said something about Bob Brenly's angry old uncle routine wearing on me toward the end of his run here and he said something about "not being old enough to really remember Bob's early years" with the Cubs and I wondered how a person could be that young and be on the internet. I WAS THE YOUNG GUY ON THE INTERNET ONCE. Then I turn around and I've spent seven years with you people.
Nothing makes me cackle with more glee than Millennials facing their own mortality.
Well, Boomers actually dying might be more satisfying.
All in good time. We've got to finish screwing up the entire world first.
(http://media.charlotteobserver.com/smedia/2014/08/12/18/50/436-1hd8wR.Em.91.jpeg)
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 16, 2014, 10:56:41 AM
Quote from: flannj on September 16, 2014, 10:32:30 AM
Quote from: Bort on September 16, 2014, 10:13:19 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 16, 2014, 10:10:21 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 16, 2014, 09:36:56 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 12, 2014, 11:27:09 PM
Today I've learned a horrifying number of people think that beating a kid bloody is just good old fashioned discipline. Guh.
I've abused my kids. I let one of them talk on a podcast.
I like that kid. I have no idea how you raised that kid. His mother must be one incredibly rational human being.
I realized I was getting old when I said something about Bob Brenly's angry old uncle routine wearing on me toward the end of his run here and he said something about "not being old enough to really remember Bob's early years" with the Cubs and I wondered how a person could be that young and be on the internet. I WAS THE YOUNG GUY ON THE INTERNET ONCE. Then I turn around and I've spent seven years with you people.
Nothing makes me cackle with more glee than Millennials facing their own mortality.
Well, Boomers actually dying might be more satisfying.
All in good time. We've got to finish screwing up the entire world first.
(http://media.charlotteobserver.com/smedia/2014/08/12/18/50/436-1hd8wR.Em.91.jpeg)
(http://o1.aolcdn.com/dims-shared/dims3/PATCH/format/jpg/quality/82/resize/213x295/http://hss-prod.hss.aol.com/hss/storage/patch/507df2ed46bb094c55287a57a7a98d3)
I'm no boomer. Besides:
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Ivychat/Untitled_zpsf8879379.png)
Kenilworth lol
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 16, 2014, 05:14:50 PM
I'm no boomer. Besides:
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Ivychat/Untitled_zpsf8879379.png)
Holy shit: 14k per student?!? we're outspending our affluent neighbors by FIFTY PERCENT?
Brown for School Board!
Quote from: Brownie on September 16, 2014, 09:24:09 PM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 16, 2014, 05:14:50 PM
I'm no boomer. Besides:
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Ivychat/Untitled_zpsf8879379.png)
Holy shit: 14k per student?!? we're outspending our affluent neighbors by FIFTY PERCENT?
Brown for School Board!
Go with a timeless classic: Brown v. Board of Education
Quote from: Brownie on September 16, 2014, 09:24:09 PM
Holy shit: 14k per student?!? we're outspending our affluent neighbors by FIFTY PERCENT?
Brown for School Board!
You only have one kid. You're being subsidized!
And now Jonathan Dwyer gets arrested for domestic violence.
STOP. HITTING. PEOPLE.
Quote from: SKO on September 17, 2014, 04:25:10 PM
And now Jonathan Dwyer gets arrested for domestic violence.
STOP. HITTING. PEOPLE.
These guys do lots and lots and lots and lots of PEDs and get hit in the head about 20 times on a good day.
What could go wrong?
When people talked about the head trauma issue over the past couple of years it was couched in a tone of, "Well, they know the risks (to themselves). They do what they want and they're well compensated."
What the NFL knew and what we should have suspected was that the trauma causes many of them to do terrible things. Same thing happens to people affected by war, auto accidents or other trauma.
This is why the NFL covered shit up. Too late to plug that hole now. This sport is not long for the planet.
Quote from: InternetApex on September 18, 2014, 09:02:48 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 17, 2014, 04:25:10 PM
And now Jonathan Dwyer gets arrested for domestic violence.
STOP. HITTING. PEOPLE.
These guys do lots and lots and lots and lots of PEDs and get hit in the head about 20 times on a good day.
What could go wrong?
When people talked about the head trauma issue over the past couple of years it was couched in a tone of, "Well, they know the risks (to themselves). They do what they want and they're well compensated."
What the NFL knew and what we should have suspected was that the trauma causes many of them to do terrible things. Same thing happens to people affected by war, auto accidents or other trauma.
This is why the NFL covered shit up. Too late to plug that hole now. This sport is not long for the planet.
I think that's far too convenient an answer. There are hundreds of football players with no domestic violence or really any other kind of violent issues. I do not buy that playing a violent sport makes someone some kind of violent animal. These are thinking, feeling human beings capable of more than just acting like cavemen.
I don't think concussions are to play here, either. I think sometimes people are just bad people. Adrian Peterson's mental faculties are perfectly fine. He clearly just thinks beating children with tree limbs is appropriate punishment. if that's a concussion side effect it's a damn peculiar one.
Quote from: SKO on September 18, 2014, 09:18:49 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 18, 2014, 09:02:48 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 17, 2014, 04:25:10 PM
And now Jonathan Dwyer gets arrested for domestic violence.
STOP. HITTING. PEOPLE.
These guys do lots and lots and lots and lots of PEDs and get hit in the head about 20 times on a good day.
What could go wrong?
When people talked about the head trauma issue over the past couple of years it was couched in a tone of, "Well, they know the risks (to themselves). They do what they want and they're well compensated."
What the NFL knew and what we should have suspected was that the trauma causes many of them to do terrible things. Same thing happens to people affected by war, auto accidents or other trauma.
This is why the NFL covered shit up. Too late to plug that hole now. This sport is not long for the planet.
I think that's far too convenient an answer. There are hundreds of football players with no domestic violence or really any other kind of violent issues. I do not buy that playing a violent sport makes someone some kind of violent animal. These are thinking, feeling human beings capable of more than just acting like cavemen.
I don't think concussions are to play here, either. I think sometimes people are just bad people. Adrian Peterson's mental faculties are perfectly fine. He clearly just thinks beating children with tree limbs is appropriate punishment. if that's a concussion side effect it's a damn peculiar one.
Then how do you explain Yettoe playing all those Friday night lights high school games and then turning right around and abusing his body the way that he does now? That's not normal. It's an epidemic.
Quote from: SKO on September 18, 2014, 09:18:49 AM
I do not buy that playing a violent sport makes someone some kind of violent animal.
Agreed, but the reverse, that violent animals are drawn to a violent sport sure seems to be true. That these violent animals are violent on and off the field is a new concept to some people, it seems.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 18, 2014, 10:39:51 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 18, 2014, 09:18:49 AM
I do not buy that playing a violent sport makes someone some kind of violent animal.
Agreed, but the reverse, that violent animals are drawn to a violent sport sure seems to be true. That these violent animals are violent on and off the field is a new concept to some people, it seems.
Yeah, I would say that's more like it. I don't think football is to blame for causing these incidents. Just that the NFL as an organization is at fault for failing to send a message that such behavior is unacceptable.
Quote from: SKO on September 18, 2014, 09:18:49 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 18, 2014, 09:02:48 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 17, 2014, 04:25:10 PM
And now Jonathan Dwyer gets arrested for domestic violence.
STOP. HITTING. PEOPLE.
These guys do lots and lots and lots and lots of PEDs and get hit in the head about 20 times on a good day.
What could go wrong?
When people talked about the head trauma issue over the past couple of years it was couched in a tone of, "Well, they know the risks (to themselves). They do what they want and they're well compensated."
What the NFL knew and what we should have suspected was that the trauma causes many of them to do terrible things. Same thing happens to people affected by war, auto accidents or other trauma.
This is why the NFL covered shit up. Too late to plug that hole now. This sport is not long for the planet.
I think that's far too convenient an answer. There are hundreds of football players with no domestic violence or really any other kind of violent issues. I do not buy that playing a violent sport makes someone some kind of violent animal. These are thinking, feeling human beings capable of more than just acting like cavemen.
I don't think concussions are to play here, either. I think sometimes people are just bad people. Adrian Peterson's mental faculties are perfectly fine. He clearly just thinks beating children with tree limbs is appropriate punishment. if that's a concussion side effect it's a damn peculiar one.
Jonathan Dwyer ain't all about that domestic violets.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/861/1984973278.jpg)
Have fun with Sheriff Joe, asshole.
Quote from: PenFoe on September 18, 2014, 11:25:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 18, 2014, 09:18:49 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 18, 2014, 09:02:48 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 17, 2014, 04:25:10 PM
And now Jonathan Dwyer gets arrested for domestic violence.
STOP. HITTING. PEOPLE.
These guys do lots and lots and lots and lots of PEDs and get hit in the head about 20 times on a good day.
What could go wrong?
When people talked about the head trauma issue over the past couple of years it was couched in a tone of, "Well, they know the risks (to themselves). They do what they want and they're well compensated."
What the NFL knew and what we should have suspected was that the trauma causes many of them to do terrible things. Same thing happens to people affected by war, auto accidents or other trauma.
This is why the NFL covered shit up. Too late to plug that hole now. This sport is not long for the planet.
I think that's far too convenient an answer. There are hundreds of football players with no domestic violence or really any other kind of violent issues. I do not buy that playing a violent sport makes someone some kind of violent animal. These are thinking, feeling human beings capable of more than just acting like cavemen.
I don't think concussions are to play here, either. I think sometimes people are just bad people. Adrian Peterson's mental faculties are perfectly fine. He clearly just thinks beating children with tree limbs is appropriate punishment. if that's a concussion side effect it's a damn peculiar one.
Jonathan Dwyer ain't all about that domestic violets.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/861/1984973278.jpg)
Have fun with Sheriff Joe, asshole.
Also, don't send your kids to Georgia Tech if they want to major in English.
Quote from: Fork on September 18, 2014, 04:27:32 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on September 18, 2014, 11:25:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 18, 2014, 09:18:49 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 18, 2014, 09:02:48 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 17, 2014, 04:25:10 PM
And now Jonathan Dwyer gets arrested for domestic violence.
STOP. HITTING. PEOPLE.
These guys do lots and lots and lots and lots of PEDs and get hit in the head about 20 times on a good day.
What could go wrong?
When people talked about the head trauma issue over the past couple of years it was couched in a tone of, "Well, they know the risks (to themselves). They do what they want and they're well compensated."
What the NFL knew and what we should have suspected was that the trauma causes many of them to do terrible things. Same thing happens to people affected by war, auto accidents or other trauma.
This is why the NFL covered shit up. Too late to plug that hole now. This sport is not long for the planet.
I think that's far too convenient an answer. There are hundreds of football players with no domestic violence or really any other kind of violent issues. I do not buy that playing a violent sport makes someone some kind of violent animal. These are thinking, feeling human beings capable of more than just acting like cavemen.
I don't think concussions are to play here, either. I think sometimes people are just bad people. Adrian Peterson's mental faculties are perfectly fine. He clearly just thinks beating children with tree limbs is appropriate punishment. if that's a concussion side effect it's a damn peculiar one.
Jonathan Dwyer ain't all about that domestic violets.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/861/1984973278.jpg)
Have fun with Sheriff Joe, asshole.
Also, don't send your kids to Georgia Tech if they want to major in English.
I can't believe what they are asking for domestic violets these days when you can get imported violets at a much more reasonable price.
Quote from: Fork on September 18, 2014, 04:27:32 PM
Also, don't send your kids to Georgia Tech if they want to major in English.
Why not? Did Jonathan Dwyer major in English? Is he the chair of the department?
Quote from: Eli on September 18, 2014, 06:12:50 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 18, 2014, 04:27:32 PM
Also, don't send your kids to Georgia Tech if they want to major in English.
Why not? Did Jonathan Dwyer major in English? Is he the chair of the department?
Jonathan Dwyer had the lead in the Scottish Play in his Sophomore year.
Quote from: Eli on September 18, 2014, 06:12:50 PM
Quote from: Fork on September 18, 2014, 04:27:32 PM
Also, don't send your kids to Georgia Tech if they want to major in English.
Why not? Did Jonathan Dwyer major in English? Is he the chair of the department?
Technical schools tend not to be as strong in the humanities. Georgia would be a better choice. Then again, the most famous guy from UGA that routinely works with words in Chip Caray. Speaking of the humanity!
DAT'S WHY DEY NEVER SHOULDA CUT DAT DEVIN HESTER! NICE CHOICE PHIL!
Quote from: SKO on September 18, 2014, 09:18:49 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 18, 2014, 09:02:48 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 17, 2014, 04:25:10 PM
And now Jonathan Dwyer gets arrested for domestic violence.
STOP. HITTING. PEOPLE.
These guys do lots and lots and lots and lots of PEDs and get hit in the head about 20 times on a good day.
What could go wrong?
When people talked about the head trauma issue over the past couple of years it was couched in a tone of, "Well, they know the risks (to themselves). They do what they want and they're well compensated."
What the NFL knew and what we should have suspected was that the trauma causes many of them to do terrible things. Same thing happens to people affected by war, auto accidents or other trauma.
This is why the NFL covered shit up. Too late to plug that hole now. This sport is not long for the planet.
I think that's far too convenient an answer. There are hundreds of football players with no domestic violence or really any other kind of violent issues. I do not buy that playing a violent sport makes someone some kind of violent animal. These are thinking, feeling human beings capable of more than just acting like cavemen.
I don't think concussions are to play here, either. I think sometimes people are just bad people. Adrian Peterson's mental faculties are perfectly fine. He clearly just thinks beating children with tree limbs is appropriate punishment. if that's a concussion side effect it's a damn peculiar one.
It's not merely playing a violent sport that makes a person a violent animal. The type of person who willfully dishes out and endures that much pain is abnormal however. As are prizefighters, marines, dirty cops etc. Add in abnormal amounts of performance enhancing testosterone and countless shots to the cranium and there could be a serious problem for a person like that. Now add in the fact that the constant pain drives some of these guys to indulge in painkillers and copious amounts of alcohol and you have a true recipe for disaster.
Quote from: InternetApex on September 19, 2014, 08:39:45 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 18, 2014, 09:18:49 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 18, 2014, 09:02:48 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 17, 2014, 04:25:10 PM
And now Jonathan Dwyer gets arrested for domestic violence.
STOP. HITTING. PEOPLE.
These guys do lots and lots and lots and lots of PEDs and get hit in the head about 20 times on a good day.
What could go wrong?
When people talked about the head trauma issue over the past couple of years it was couched in a tone of, "Well, they know the risks (to themselves). They do what they want and they're well compensated."
What the NFL knew and what we should have suspected was that the trauma causes many of them to do terrible things. Same thing happens to people affected by war, auto accidents or other trauma.
This is why the NFL covered shit up. Too late to plug that hole now. This sport is not long for the planet.
I think that's far too convenient an answer. There are hundreds of football players with no domestic violence or really any other kind of violent issues. I do not buy that playing a violent sport makes someone some kind of violent animal. These are thinking, feeling human beings capable of more than just acting like cavemen.
I don't think concussions are to play here, either. I think sometimes people are just bad people. Adrian Peterson's mental faculties are perfectly fine. He clearly just thinks beating children with tree limbs is appropriate punishment. if that's a concussion side effect it's a damn peculiar one.
It's not merely playing a violent sport that makes a person a violent animal. The type of person who willfully dishes out and endures that much pain is abnormal however. As are prizefighters, marines, dirty cops etc. Add in abnormal amounts of performance enhancing testosterone and countless shots to the cranium and there could be a serious problem for a person like that. Now add in the fact that the constant pain drives some of these guys to indulge in painkillers and copious amounts of alcohol and you have a true recipe for disaster.
That's also true and yet there are hundreds of NFL players who do not beat women and children and in fact have lower arrest rates than the rest of the general population. I'm not saying it's not potentially a factor in some of these incidents, I'm saying it's way too simplistic and convenient an answer for the recent high profile cases, particularly Peterson and Rice, both whom seem more than capable of explaining their thought processes on such things. It's an excuse that makes them victims and removes their own culpability and I don't buy it.
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 08:53:50 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 19, 2014, 08:39:45 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 18, 2014, 09:18:49 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 18, 2014, 09:02:48 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 17, 2014, 04:25:10 PM
And now Jonathan Dwyer gets arrested for domestic violence.
STOP. HITTING. PEOPLE.
These guys do lots and lots and lots and lots of PEDs and get hit in the head about 20 times on a good day.
What could go wrong?
When people talked about the head trauma issue over the past couple of years it was couched in a tone of, "Well, they know the risks (to themselves). They do what they want and they're well compensated."
What the NFL knew and what we should have suspected was that the trauma causes many of them to do terrible things. Same thing happens to people affected by war, auto accidents or other trauma.
This is why the NFL covered shit up. Too late to plug that hole now. This sport is not long for the planet.
I think that's far too convenient an answer. There are hundreds of football players with no domestic violence or really any other kind of violent issues. I do not buy that playing a violent sport makes someone some kind of violent animal. These are thinking, feeling human beings capable of more than just acting like cavemen.
I don't think concussions are to play here, either. I think sometimes people are just bad people. Adrian Peterson's mental faculties are perfectly fine. He clearly just thinks beating children with tree limbs is appropriate punishment. if that's a concussion side effect it's a damn peculiar one.
It's not merely playing a violent sport that makes a person a violent animal. The type of person who willfully dishes out and endures that much pain is abnormal however. As are prizefighters, marines, dirty cops etc. Add in abnormal amounts of performance enhancing testosterone and countless shots to the cranium and there could be a serious problem for a person like that. Now add in the fact that the constant pain drives some of these guys to indulge in painkillers and copious amounts of alcohol and you have a true recipe for disaster.
That's also true and yet there are hundreds of NFL players who do not beat women and children and in fact have lower arrest rates than the rest of the general population. I'm not saying it's not potentially a factor in some of these incidents, I'm saying it's way too simplistic and convenient an answer for the recent high profile cases, particularly Peterson and Rice, both whom seem more than capable of explaining their thought processes on such things. It's an excuse that makes them victims and removes their own culpability and I don't buy it.
Or Brandon Marshall.
Quote from: BH on September 19, 2014, 08:55:30 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 08:53:50 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 19, 2014, 08:39:45 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 18, 2014, 09:18:49 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 18, 2014, 09:02:48 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 17, 2014, 04:25:10 PM
And now Jonathan Dwyer gets arrested for domestic violence.
STOP. HITTING. PEOPLE.
These guys do lots and lots and lots and lots of PEDs and get hit in the head about 20 times on a good day.
What could go wrong?
When people talked about the head trauma issue over the past couple of years it was couched in a tone of, "Well, they know the risks (to themselves). They do what they want and they're well compensated."
What the NFL knew and what we should have suspected was that the trauma causes many of them to do terrible things. Same thing happens to people affected by war, auto accidents or other trauma.
This is why the NFL covered shit up. Too late to plug that hole now. This sport is not long for the planet.
I think that's far too convenient an answer. There are hundreds of football players with no domestic violence or really any other kind of violent issues. I do not buy that playing a violent sport makes someone some kind of violent animal. These are thinking, feeling human beings capable of more than just acting like cavemen.
I don't think concussions are to play here, either. I think sometimes people are just bad people. Adrian Peterson's mental faculties are perfectly fine. He clearly just thinks beating children with tree limbs is appropriate punishment. if that's a concussion side effect it's a damn peculiar one.
It's not merely playing a violent sport that makes a person a violent animal. The type of person who willfully dishes out and endures that much pain is abnormal however. As are prizefighters, marines, dirty cops etc. Add in abnormal amounts of performance enhancing testosterone and countless shots to the cranium and there could be a serious problem for a person like that. Now add in the fact that the constant pain drives some of these guys to indulge in painkillers and copious amounts of alcohol and you have a true recipe for disaster.
That's also true and yet there are hundreds of NFL players who do not beat women and children and in fact have lower arrest rates than the rest of the general population. I'm not saying it's not potentially a factor in some of these incidents, I'm saying it's way too simplistic and convenient an answer for the recent high profile cases, particularly Peterson and Rice, both whom seem more than capable of explaining their thought processes on such things. It's an excuse that makes them victims and removes their own culpability and I don't buy it.
Or Brandon Marshall.
Actually Brandon's press conference was a pretty good example of what I think is the problem with some of these guys, especially Peterson. Marshall, like Peterson, was whipped with an extension cord as a kid. A switch seems fairly tame in comparison, I suppose. He also saw his mother get sexually and physically abused, and admits he grew up with a completely f*&ked view of what a relationship was supposed to be. Brandon seems to have benefitted greatly from therapy and medication and like he's trying to break the cycle, saying he'd never discipline his kids physically, etc. I think there's a larger % of NFL players coming from awful backgrounds who don't know why what they're doing is so wrong than there are NFL players just snapping because the game has fucked their head.
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 08:53:50 AM
That's also true and yet there are hundreds of NFL players who do not beat women and children and in fact have lower arrest rates than the rest of the general population.
GenPop, yes. But a look at the subset of the population that NFL players inhabit:
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/the-rate-of-domestic-violence-arrests-among-nfl-players/
Quoterelative to the income level (top 1 percent) and poverty rate (0 percent) of NFL players, the domestic violence arrest rate is downright extraordinary. According to a 2002 Bureau of Justice Statistics Report covering 1993 to 1998, the domestic victimization rate for women in households with income greater than $75,000 (3.3 per 100,000) was about 39 percent of the overall rate (8.4 per 100,000), and less than 20 percent of the rate for women ages 20 to 34. That report doesn't include cross-tabs, and it's a little out of date (more current data is harder to find because more recent BJS reports on the issue do not include income breakdowns), but that sub-20 percent relative victimization among high-income households is consistent with the NFL's 13 percent relative arrest rate overall (arrest disparities between income levels are probably even greater than victimization rates).
The "lower arrest rates" doesn't really hold up under scrutiny.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 19, 2014, 09:03:30 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 08:53:50 AM
That's also true and yet there are hundreds of NFL players who do not beat women and children and in fact have lower arrest rates than the rest of the general population.
GenPop, yes. But a look at the subset of the population that NFL players inhabit:
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/the-rate-of-domestic-violence-arrests-among-nfl-players/
Quoterelative to the income level (top 1 percent) and poverty rate (0 percent) of NFL players, the domestic violence arrest rate is downright extraordinary. According to a 2002 Bureau of Justice Statistics Report covering 1993 to 1998, the domestic victimization rate for women in households with income greater than $75,000 (3.3 per 100,000) was about 39 percent of the overall rate (8.4 per 100,000), and less than 20 percent of the rate for women ages 20 to 34. That report doesn't include cross-tabs, and it's a little out of date (more current data is harder to find because more recent BJS reports on the issue do not include income breakdowns), but that sub-20 percent relative victimization among high-income households is consistent with the NFL's 13 percent relative arrest rate overall (arrest disparities between income levels are probably even greater than victimization rates).
The "lower arrest rates" doesn't really hold up under scrutiny.
Is that really saying NFL players commit more domestic violence than other people that are similarly rich? Because no shit. Most other people as rich as NFL players are just rich people raised as rich people. Lots of NFL players come from the lowest income level and then become suddenly rich. That doesn't just automatically instill a lifetime of upper class WASP values.
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 09:06:14 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on September 19, 2014, 09:03:30 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 08:53:50 AM
That's also true and yet there are hundreds of NFL players who do not beat women and children and in fact have lower arrest rates than the rest of the general population.
GenPop, yes. But a look at the subset of the population that NFL players inhabit:
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/the-rate-of-domestic-violence-arrests-among-nfl-players/
Quoterelative to the income level (top 1 percent) and poverty rate (0 percent) of NFL players, the domestic violence arrest rate is downright extraordinary. According to a 2002 Bureau of Justice Statistics Report covering 1993 to 1998, the domestic victimization rate for women in households with income greater than $75,000 (3.3 per 100,000) was about 39 percent of the overall rate (8.4 per 100,000), and less than 20 percent of the rate for women ages 20 to 34. That report doesn't include cross-tabs, and it's a little out of date (more current data is harder to find because more recent BJS reports on the issue do not include income breakdowns), but that sub-20 percent relative victimization among high-income households is consistent with the NFL's 13 percent relative arrest rate overall (arrest disparities between income levels are probably even greater than victimization rates).
The "lower arrest rates" doesn't really hold up under scrutiny.
Is that really saying NFL players commit more domestic violence than other people that are similarly rich? Because no shit. Most other people as rich as NFL players are just rich people raised as rich people. Lots of NFL players come from the lowest income level and then become suddenly rich. That doesn't just automatically instill a lifetime of upper class WASP values.
Like, really, they don't see the flaws in the logic of comparing people who were often raised at a much, much, much lower and often poverty-level social class who became suddenly wealthy at age 22 vs. people born and raised in "polite society"?
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 09:02:08 AM
Quote from: BH on September 19, 2014, 08:55:30 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 08:53:50 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 19, 2014, 08:39:45 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 18, 2014, 09:18:49 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on September 18, 2014, 09:02:48 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 17, 2014, 04:25:10 PM
And now Jonathan Dwyer gets arrested for domestic violence.
STOP. HITTING. PEOPLE.
These guys do lots and lots and lots and lots of PEDs and get hit in the head about 20 times on a good day.
What could go wrong?
When people talked about the head trauma issue over the past couple of years it was couched in a tone of, "Well, they know the risks (to themselves). They do what they want and they're well compensated."
What the NFL knew and what we should have suspected was that the trauma causes many of them to do terrible things. Same thing happens to people affected by war, auto accidents or other trauma.
This is why the NFL covered shit up. Too late to plug that hole now. This sport is not long for the planet.
I think that's far too convenient an answer. There are hundreds of football players with no domestic violence or really any other kind of violent issues. I do not buy that playing a violent sport makes someone some kind of violent animal. These are thinking, feeling human beings capable of more than just acting like cavemen.
I don't think concussions are to play here, either. I think sometimes people are just bad people. Adrian Peterson's mental faculties are perfectly fine. He clearly just thinks beating children with tree limbs is appropriate punishment. if that's a concussion side effect it's a damn peculiar one.
It's not merely playing a violent sport that makes a person a violent animal. The type of person who willfully dishes out and endures that much pain is abnormal however. As are prizefighters, marines, dirty cops etc. Add in abnormal amounts of performance enhancing testosterone and countless shots to the cranium and there could be a serious problem for a person like that. Now add in the fact that the constant pain drives some of these guys to indulge in painkillers and copious amounts of alcohol and you have a true recipe for disaster.
That's also true and yet there are hundreds of NFL players who do not beat women and children and in fact have lower arrest rates than the rest of the general population. I'm not saying it's not potentially a factor in some of these incidents, I'm saying it's way too simplistic and convenient an answer for the recent high profile cases, particularly Peterson and Rice, both whom seem more than capable of explaining their thought processes on such things. It's an excuse that makes them victims and removes their own culpability and I don't buy it.
Or Brandon Marshall.
Actually Brandon's press conference was a pretty good example of what I think is the problem with some of these guys, especially Peterson. Marshall, like Peterson, was whipped with an extension cord as a kid. A switch seems fairly tame in comparison, I suppose. He also saw his mother get sexually and physically abused, and admits he grew up with a completely f*&ked view of what a relationship was supposed to be. Brandon seems to have benefitted greatly from therapy and medication and like he's trying to break the cycle, saying he'd never discipline his kids physically, etc. I think there's a larger % of NFL players coming from awful backgrounds who don't know why what they're doing is so wrong than there are NFL players just snapping because the game has fucked their head.
Marshall's press conference wasn't long enough in my opinion. He did a great job making the girl seem guilty of the DV that happened and that he was a victim in all of this. He seems to really have taken ownership in his actions. Did I miss anything else?
Quote from: BH on September 19, 2014, 09:21:08 AM
Marshall's press conference wasn't long enough in my opinion. He did a great job making the girl seem guilty of the DV that happened and that he was a victim in all of this. He seems to really have taken ownership in his actions. Did I miss anything else?
Did Marshall need to take ownership of his actions if that girl really was trying to take advantage of him, which the court and a letter of her own admission said she did?
I've heard him take responsibility for his other fuckups, especially with his current wife. He's in therapy. He takes medication. He advocates for mental health awareness. He used the press conference to call for an open dialogue on domestic violence which he called a worldwide epidemic. He literally details his history of violence on his own website. He talked about how being traded to Chicago probably "saved his life" because he was in such a dark place and the work he's done to bring himself back from it. He's stayed incident free now for almost four years.
I agree the press conference was a rambling mess and he should have stopped, but I don't think he needed to stand there and apologize when he's spent the last three years trying to fix his shit. The man writes op-eds about the need to remove the stigma from NFL players who seek help for mental issues, for crying out loud. If you worked as hard as he had to rehab your image for years and then someone dragged up something you were found innocent of seven years ago and brought your name back down into the mud, you wouldn't be a little angry?
I mean, shit, Marshall was accused by another woman of hitting her in a nightclub right before he was traded to the Bears, then video evidence showed that she and others actually attacked Marshall and his wife. That's direct evidence that people actually have tried to accuse him of shit just to get money from him. I realize it seems in poor taste to ever seemingly "blame the victim" in these cases and he really should have just skipped this whole thing, but it does happen, it's happened to him, and I understand why he wigged out at seemingly having everyone viewing him as a bad guy again after all the work he's done to try to not be a bad guy.
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 09:33:44 AM
I mean, shit, Marshall was accused by another woman of hitting her in a nightclub right before he was traded to the Bears, then video evidence showed that she and others actually attacked Marshall and his wife. That's direct evidence that people actually have tried to accuse him of shit just to get money from him. I realize it seems in poor taste to ever seemingly "blame the victim" in these cases and he really should have just skipped this whole thing, but it does happen, it's happened to him, and I understand why he wigged out at seemingly having everyone viewing him as a bad guy again after all the work he's done to try to not be a bad guy.
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 08:53:50 AM
It's an excuse that makes them victims and removes their own culpability and I don't buy it.
Quote from: Eli on September 19, 2014, 09:39:07 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 09:33:44 AM
I mean, shit, Marshall was accused by another woman of hitting her in a nightclub right before he was traded to the Bears, then video evidence showed that she and others actually attacked Marshall and his wife. That's direct evidence that people actually have tried to accuse him of shit just to get money from him. I realize it seems in poor taste to ever seemingly "blame the victim" in these cases and he really should have just skipped this whole thing, but it does happen, it's happened to him, and I understand why he wigged out at seemingly having everyone viewing him as a bad guy again after all the work he's done to try to not be a bad guy.
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 08:53:50 AM
It's an excuse that makes them victims and removes their own culpability and I don't buy it.
I understand what you're doing, but no charges were filed against Marshall in that case because the cops said the video evidence showed they were attacked, they attacked no one. It's not an excuse.
Again, Brandon has taken responsibility for most of the stuff he's done. He's in therapy. He served a suspension. He advocates for mental health awareness. He's done basically the exact track of rehabilitation that's being advocated by everyone for all of these other guys. Why keep harping on him when he seems to have righted his own ship?
Quote from: Eli on September 19, 2014, 09:39:07 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 09:33:44 AM
I mean, shit, Marshall was accused by another woman of hitting her in a nightclub right before he was traded to the Bears, then video evidence showed that she and others actually attacked Marshall and his wife. That's direct evidence that people actually have tried to accuse him of shit just to get money from him. I realize it seems in poor taste to ever seemingly "blame the victim" in these cases and he really should have just skipped this whole thing, but it does happen, it's happened to him, and I understand why he wigged out at seemingly having everyone viewing him as a bad guy again after all the work he's done to try to not be a bad guy.
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 08:53:50 AM
It's an excuse that makes them victims and removes their own culpability and I don't buy it.
I just don't get why he thought it was a good idea to bring documentation to his press release. The letter that he read, she during testimony, said he "begged" her to write it to clear his name. The lawyer asking for money happens in every case when a settlement is presented, it's not extortion. The whole thing was stupid. If the driver of all this was how ESPN portrayed him, and if he's so concerned about the message, then he should have been apart of the production of it. You think Gloria Allred is going to back down now? She wasn't even talking about Brandon Marshall, she was going after the NFL. Now Marshall has put himself right into the middle again.
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 09:42:18 AM
Quote from: Eli on September 19, 2014, 09:39:07 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 09:33:44 AM
I mean, shit, Marshall was accused by another woman of hitting her in a nightclub right before he was traded to the Bears, then video evidence showed that she and others actually attacked Marshall and his wife. That's direct evidence that people actually have tried to accuse him of shit just to get money from him. I realize it seems in poor taste to ever seemingly "blame the victim" in these cases and he really should have just skipped this whole thing, but it does happen, it's happened to him, and I understand why he wigged out at seemingly having everyone viewing him as a bad guy again after all the work he's done to try to not be a bad guy.
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 08:53:50 AM
It's an excuse that makes them victims and removes their own culpability and I don't buy it.
I understand what you're doing, but no charges were filed against Marshall in that case because the cops said the video evidence showed they were attacked, they attacked no one. It's not an excuse.
Again, Brandon has taken responsibility for most of the stuff he's done. He's in therapy. He served a suspension. He advocates for mental health awareness. He's done basically the exact track of rehabilitation that's being advocated by everyone for all of these other guys. Why keep harping on him when he seems to have righted his own ship?
Because he hijacked a press conference to talk 50 minutes about it for no reason?
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 09:42:18 AM
Quote from: Eli on September 19, 2014, 09:39:07 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 09:33:44 AM
I mean, shit, Marshall was accused by another woman of hitting her in a nightclub right before he was traded to the Bears, then video evidence showed that she and others actually attacked Marshall and his wife. That's direct evidence that people actually have tried to accuse him of shit just to get money from him. I realize it seems in poor taste to ever seemingly "blame the victim" in these cases and he really should have just skipped this whole thing, but it does happen, it's happened to him, and I understand why he wigged out at seemingly having everyone viewing him as a bad guy again after all the work he's done to try to not be a bad guy.
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 08:53:50 AM
It's an excuse that makes them victims and removes their own culpability and I don't buy it.
I understand what you're doing, but no charges were filed against Marshall in that case because the cops said the video evidence showed they were attacked, they attacked no one. It's not an excuse.
Again, Brandon has taken responsibility for most of the stuff he's done. He's in therapy. He served a suspension. He advocates for mental health awareness. He's done basically the exact track of rehabilitation that's being advocated by everyone for all of these other guys. Why keep harping on him when he seems to have righted his own ship?
I'm just doubtful you'd be so eager to defend Marshall above Rice and Peterson if he weren't on your favorite team.
Quote from: BH on September 19, 2014, 09:49:17 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 09:42:18 AM
Quote from: Eli on September 19, 2014, 09:39:07 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 09:33:44 AM
I mean, shit, Marshall was accused by another woman of hitting her in a nightclub right before he was traded to the Bears, then video evidence showed that she and others actually attacked Marshall and his wife. That's direct evidence that people actually have tried to accuse him of shit just to get money from him. I realize it seems in poor taste to ever seemingly "blame the victim" in these cases and he really should have just skipped this whole thing, but it does happen, it's happened to him, and I understand why he wigged out at seemingly having everyone viewing him as a bad guy again after all the work he's done to try to not be a bad guy.
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 08:53:50 AM
It's an excuse that makes them victims and removes their own culpability and I don't buy it.
I understand what you're doing, but no charges were filed against Marshall in that case because the cops said the video evidence showed they were attacked, they attacked no one. It's not an excuse.
Again, Brandon has taken responsibility for most of the stuff he's done. He's in therapy. He served a suspension. He advocates for mental health awareness. He's done basically the exact track of rehabilitation that's being advocated by everyone for all of these other guys. Why keep harping on him when he seems to have righted his own ship?
Because he hijacked a press conference to talk 50 minutes about it for no reason?
It wasn't for no reason. He was mad that on the same day a lawyer called a press conference to dredge up something that he was found innocent of seven years ago ESPN aired a documentary from years ago before he got help that made him look pretty bad. He never should have done the press conference but I totally get why he Thought he needed to clear his name. He just should have realized all he could do by talking was lose the battle of public opinion, which he clearly has.
Quote from: Eli on September 19, 2014, 09:50:51 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 09:42:18 AM
Quote from: Eli on September 19, 2014, 09:39:07 AM
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 09:33:44 AM
I mean, shit, Marshall was accused by another woman of hitting her in a nightclub right before he was traded to the Bears, then video evidence showed that she and others actually attacked Marshall and his wife. That's direct evidence that people actually have tried to accuse him of shit just to get money from him. I realize it seems in poor taste to ever seemingly "blame the victim" in these cases and he really should have just skipped this whole thing, but it does happen, it's happened to him, and I understand why he wigged out at seemingly having everyone viewing him as a bad guy again after all the work he's done to try to not be a bad guy.
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 08:53:50 AM
It's an excuse that makes them victims and removes their own culpability and I don't buy it.
I understand what you're doing, but no charges were filed against Marshall in that case because the cops said the video evidence showed they were attacked, they attacked no one. It's not an excuse.
Again, Brandon has taken responsibility for most of the stuff he's done. He's in therapy. He served a suspension. He advocates for mental health awareness. He's done basically the exact track of rehabilitation that's being advocated by everyone for all of these other guys. Why keep harping on him when he seems to have righted his own ship?
I'm just doubtful you'd be so eager to defend Marshall above Rice and Peterson if he weren't on your favorite team.
That's true, but a lot of that is just from the constant access to Brandon that entails. He's used his position as a Bear as a platform to encourage people to get help for their issues frequently. He admits to lots of mistakes in his past. He's always seemed contrite and open about not being the best person before. I just feel like he's already done everything we'd want these guys to do. He's not innocent of domestic violence. He admits it happened with his wife the night he attacked her and she stabbed him. He also says that's when he realized he needed help and got it without even getting arrested or suspended. Just seems Brandon has "done his time" and I don't see what we gain from yelling at him more.
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I mean, shit, Marshall was accused by another woman of hitting her in a nightclub right before he was traded to the Bears, then video evidence showed that she and others actually attacked Marshall and his wife. That's direct evidence that people actually have tried to accuse him of shit just to get money from him. I realize it seems in poor taste to ever seemingly "blame the victim" in these cases and he really should have just skipped this whole thing, but it does happen, it's happened to him, and I understand why he wigged out at seemingly having everyone viewing him as a bad guy again after all the work he's done to try to not be a bad guy.
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 08:53:50 AM
It's an excuse that makes them victims and removes their own culpability and I don't buy it.
I understand what you're doing, but no charges were filed against Marshall in that case because the cops said the video evidence showed they were attacked, they attacked no one. It's not an excuse.
Again, Brandon has taken responsibility for most of the stuff he's done. He's in therapy. He served a suspension. He advocates for mental health awareness. He's done basically the exact track of rehabilitation that's being advocated by everyone for all of these other guys. Why keep harping on him when he seems to have righted his own ship?
I'm just doubtful you'd be so eager to defend Marshall above Rice and Peterson if he weren't on your favorite team.
That's true, but a lot of that is just from the constant access to Brandon that entails. He's used his position as a Bear as a platform to encourage people to get help for their issues frequently. He admits to lots of mistakes in his past. He's always seemed contrite and open about not being the best person before. I just feel like he's already done everything we'd want these guys to do. He's not innocent of domestic violence. He admits it happened with his wife the night he attacked her and she stabbed him. He also says that's when he realized he needed help and got it without even getting arrested or suspended. Just seems Brandon has "done his time" and I don't see what we gain from yelling at him more.
If only the 2013 Bears defense was as resilient as SKO is in his Marshall defense....
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I mean, shit, Marshall was accused by another woman of hitting her in a nightclub right before he was traded to the Bears, then video evidence showed that she and others actually attacked Marshall and his wife. That's direct evidence that people actually have tried to accuse him of shit just to get money from him. I realize it seems in poor taste to ever seemingly "blame the victim" in these cases and he really should have just skipped this whole thing, but it does happen, it's happened to him, and I understand why he wigged out at seemingly having everyone viewing him as a bad guy again after all the work he's done to try to not be a bad guy.
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 08:53:50 AM
It's an excuse that makes them victims and removes their own culpability and I don't buy it.
I understand what you're doing, but no charges were filed against Marshall in that case because the cops said the video evidence showed they were attacked, they attacked no one. It's not an excuse.
Again, Brandon has taken responsibility for most of the stuff he's done. He's in therapy. He served a suspension. He advocates for mental health awareness. He's done basically the exact track of rehabilitation that's being advocated by everyone for all of these other guys. Why keep harping on him when he seems to have righted his own ship?
I’m just doubtful you’d be so eager to defend Marshall above Rice and Peterson if he weren’t on your favorite team.
That's true, but a lot of that is just from the constant access to Brandon that entails. He's used his position as a Bear as a platform to encourage people to get help for their issues frequently. He admits to lots of mistakes in his past. He's always seemed contrite and open about not being the best person before. I just feel like he's already done everything we'd want these guys to do. He's not innocent of domestic violence. He admits it happened with his wife the night he attacked her and she stabbed him. He also says that's when he realized he needed help and got it without even getting arrested or suspended. Just seems Brandon has "done his time" and I don't see what we gain from yelling at him more.
If only the 2013 Bears defense was as resilient as SKO is in his Marshall defense....
I don't know. That press conference was bizarre. I wish he hadn't done it. I can understand that he feels since he was found innocent and had put it behind him that he was angry it was brought back up and the presumption of guilt was placed right back upon him. Maybe he actually did do it and there's no basis to the extortion argument. I don't know. I just don't see what demand there is to put on him at this time. He's served the suspension, gotten the therapy, donated to charity, etc. Is the argument just that we stop liking him now, I guess?
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I mean, shit, Marshall was accused by another woman of hitting her in a nightclub right before he was traded to the Bears, then video evidence showed that she and others actually attacked Marshall and his wife. That's direct evidence that people actually have tried to accuse him of shit just to get money from him. I realize it seems in poor taste to ever seemingly "blame the victim" in these cases and he really should have just skipped this whole thing, but it does happen, it's happened to him, and I understand why he wigged out at seemingly having everyone viewing him as a bad guy again after all the work he's done to try to not be a bad guy.
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 08:53:50 AM
It's an excuse that makes them victims and removes their own culpability and I don't buy it.
I understand what you're doing, but no charges were filed against Marshall in that case because the cops said the video evidence showed they were attacked, they attacked no one. It's not an excuse.
Again, Brandon has taken responsibility for most of the stuff he's done. He's in therapy. He served a suspension. He advocates for mental health awareness. He's done basically the exact track of rehabilitation that's being advocated by everyone for all of these other guys. Why keep harping on him when he seems to have righted his own ship?
I'm just doubtful you'd be so eager to defend Marshall above Rice and Peterson if he weren't on your favorite team.
That's true, but a lot of that is just from the constant access to Brandon that entails. He's used his position as a Bear as a platform to encourage people to get help for their issues frequently. He admits to lots of mistakes in his past. He's always seemed contrite and open about not being the best person before. I just feel like he's already done everything we'd want these guys to do. He's not innocent of domestic violence. He admits it happened with his wife the night he attacked her and she stabbed him. He also says that's when he realized he needed help and got it without even getting arrested or suspended. Just seems Brandon has "done his time" and I don't see what we gain from yelling at him more.
If only the 2013 Bears defense was as resilient as SKO is in his Marshall defense....
I don't know. That press conference was bizarre. I wish he hadn't done it. I can understand that he feels since he was found innocent and had put it behind him that he was angry it was brought back up and the presumption of guilt was placed right back upon him. Maybe he actually did do it and there's no basis to the extortion argument. I don't know. I just don't see what demand there is to put on him at this time. He's served the suspension, gotten the therapy, donated to charity, etc. Is the argument just that we stop liking him now, I guess?
I'd like to hear Marshall spend a little more time defending Goodell and talking about how some men are really vulnerable to being accused of domestic violence by women.
That seemed to really help dispel the notion that these guys are psychotic people-beaters.
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I mean, shit, Marshall was accused by another woman of hitting her in a nightclub right before he was traded to the Bears, then video evidence showed that she and others actually attacked Marshall and his wife. That's direct evidence that people actually have tried to accuse him of shit just to get money from him. I realize it seems in poor taste to ever seemingly "blame the victim" in these cases and he really should have just skipped this whole thing, but it does happen, it's happened to him, and I understand why he wigged out at seemingly having everyone viewing him as a bad guy again after all the work he's done to try to not be a bad guy.
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 08:53:50 AM
It's an excuse that makes them victims and removes their own culpability and I don't buy it.
I understand what you're doing, but no charges were filed against Marshall in that case because the cops said the video evidence showed they were attacked, they attacked no one. It's not an excuse.
Again, Brandon has taken responsibility for most of the stuff he's done. He's in therapy. He served a suspension. He advocates for mental health awareness. He's done basically the exact track of rehabilitation that's being advocated by everyone for all of these other guys. Why keep harping on him when he seems to have righted his own ship?
I'm just doubtful you'd be so eager to defend Marshall above Rice and Peterson if he weren't on your favorite team.
That's true, but a lot of that is just from the constant access to Brandon that entails. He's used his position as a Bear as a platform to encourage people to get help for their issues frequently. He admits to lots of mistakes in his past. He's always seemed contrite and open about not being the best person before. I just feel like he's already done everything we'd want these guys to do. He's not innocent of domestic violence. He admits it happened with his wife the night he attacked her and she stabbed him. He also says that's when he realized he needed help and got it without even getting arrested or suspended. Just seems Brandon has "done his time" and I don't see what we gain from yelling at him more.
If only the 2013 Bears defense was as resilient as SKO is in his Marshall defense....
I don't know. That press conference was bizarre. I wish he hadn't done it. I can understand that he feels since he was found innocent and had put it behind him that he was angry it was brought back up and the presumption of guilt was placed right back upon him. Maybe he actually did do it and there's no basis to the extortion argument. I don't know. I just don't see what demand there is to put on him at this time. He's served the suspension, gotten the therapy, donated to charity, etc. Is the argument just that we stop liking him now, I guess?
I'd like to hear Marshall spend a little more time defending Goodell and talking about how some men are really vulnerable to being accused of domestic violence by women.
That seemed to really help dispel the notion that these guys are psychotic people-beaters.
Okay. So we're just mad at him for saying stupid shit. That works for me.
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I mean, shit, Marshall was accused by another woman of hitting her in a nightclub right before he was traded to the Bears, then video evidence showed that she and others actually attacked Marshall and his wife. That's direct evidence that people actually have tried to accuse him of shit just to get money from him. I realize it seems in poor taste to ever seemingly "blame the victim" in these cases and he really should have just skipped this whole thing, but it does happen, it's happened to him, and I understand why he wigged out at seemingly having everyone viewing him as a bad guy again after all the work he's done to try to not be a bad guy.
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 08:53:50 AM
It's an excuse that makes them victims and removes their own culpability and I don't buy it.
I understand what you're doing, but no charges were filed against Marshall in that case because the cops said the video evidence showed they were attacked, they attacked no one. It's not an excuse.
Again, Brandon has taken responsibility for most of the stuff he's done. He's in therapy. He served a suspension. He advocates for mental health awareness. He's done basically the exact track of rehabilitation that's being advocated by everyone for all of these other guys. Why keep harping on him when he seems to have righted his own ship?
I'm just doubtful you'd be so eager to defend Marshall above Rice and Peterson if he weren't on your favorite team.
That's true, but a lot of that is just from the constant access to Brandon that entails. He's used his position as a Bear as a platform to encourage people to get help for their issues frequently. He admits to lots of mistakes in his past. He's always seemed contrite and open about not being the best person before. I just feel like he's already done everything we'd want these guys to do. He's not innocent of domestic violence. He admits it happened with his wife the night he attacked her and she stabbed him. He also says that's when he realized he needed help and got it without even getting arrested or suspended. Just seems Brandon has "done his time" and I don't see what we gain from yelling at him more.
If only the 2013 Bears defense was as resilient as SKO is in his Marshall defense....
I don't know. That press conference was bizarre. I wish he hadn't done it. I can understand that he feels since he was found innocent and had put it behind him that he was angry it was brought back up and the presumption of guilt was placed right back upon him. Maybe he actually did do it and there's no basis to the extortion argument. I don't know. I just don't see what demand there is to put on him at this time. He's served the suspension, gotten the therapy, donated to charity, etc. Is the argument just that we stop liking him now, I guess?
I'd like to hear Marshall spend a little more time defending Goodell and talking about how some men are really vulnerable to being accused of domestic violence by women.
That seemed to really help dispel the notion that these guys are psychotic people-beaters.
Okay. So we're just mad at him for saying stupid shit. That works for me.
I have no idea what you're getting out of working this hard to defend a wife-beater who's been arrested 5 times.
I get the guy has worked hard to rehabilitate. 100% understand that. Good for him.
I still wouldn't waste 3 breaths actually coming to his defense in anything other than a "I'm doing this for internet entertainment" manner.
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I mean, shit, Marshall was accused by another woman of hitting her in a nightclub right before he was traded to the Bears, then video evidence showed that she and others actually attacked Marshall and his wife. That's direct evidence that people actually have tried to accuse him of shit just to get money from him. I realize it seems in poor taste to ever seemingly "blame the victim" in these cases and he really should have just skipped this whole thing, but it does happen, it's happened to him, and I understand why he wigged out at seemingly having everyone viewing him as a bad guy again after all the work he's done to try to not be a bad guy.
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 08:53:50 AM
It's an excuse that makes them victims and removes their own culpability and I don't buy it.
I understand what you're doing, but no charges were filed against Marshall in that case because the cops said the video evidence showed they were attacked, they attacked no one. It's not an excuse.
Again, Brandon has taken responsibility for most of the stuff he's done. He's in therapy. He served a suspension. He advocates for mental health awareness. He's done basically the exact track of rehabilitation that's being advocated by everyone for all of these other guys. Why keep harping on him when he seems to have righted his own ship?
I’m just doubtful you’d be so eager to defend Marshall above Rice and Peterson if he weren’t on your favorite team.
That's true, but a lot of that is just from the constant access to Brandon that entails. He's used his position as a Bear as a platform to encourage people to get help for their issues frequently. He admits to lots of mistakes in his past. He's always seemed contrite and open about not being the best person before. I just feel like he's already done everything we'd want these guys to do. He's not innocent of domestic violence. He admits it happened with his wife the night he attacked her and she stabbed him. He also says that's when he realized he needed help and got it without even getting arrested or suspended. Just seems Brandon has "done his time" and I don't see what we gain from yelling at him more.
If only the 2013 Bears defense was as resilient as SKO is in his Marshall defense....
I don't know. That press conference was bizarre. I wish he hadn't done it. I can understand that he feels since he was found innocent and had put it behind him that he was angry it was brought back up and the presumption of guilt was placed right back upon him. Maybe he actually did do it and there's no basis to the extortion argument. I don't know. I just don't see what demand there is to put on him at this time. He's served the suspension, gotten the therapy, donated to charity, etc. Is the argument just that we stop liking him now, I guess?
I'd like to hear Marshall spend a little more time defending Goodell and talking about how some men are really vulnerable to being accused of domestic violence by women.
That seemed to really help dispel the notion that these guys are psychotic people-beaters.
Okay. So we're just mad at him for saying stupid shit. That works for me.
I have no idea what you're getting out of working this hard to defend a wife-beater who's been arrested 5 times.
I get the guy has worked hard to rehabilitate. 100% understand that. Good for him.
I still wouldn't waste 3 breaths actually coming to his defense in anything other than a "I'm doing this for internet entertainment" manner.
You're right. I just think there's something to be said for Brandon having gotten help and staying out of trouble the last few years. If we want to criticize him for saying stupid shit and making himself look like a giant ass, cool. I just don't think he's the guy he used to be, and that guy definitely was a terrible person. If he gets arrested again and proves it was all some big, impressive, three year long PR stunt, well, then fuck him.
I mean, there are people all over Twitter saying that Devin Hester shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.
Go fight them ALL.
Honestly I come from a family that up until just this last generation was pretty damn poor and uneducated. There's things in that family history that aren't good, but the people who did them have changed and grown and done what they can to better themselves. I'd like to believe that's possible for all of these people. Brandon got help, and he's stayed out of trouble. Maybe he did deserve to be written off forever. Maybe there's something here that can't be forgiven. There's just people I'd like to believe that isn't true about, and maybe the fact that it's a football player I've come to like and respect a lot the last few years hits too close. Sorry I've gone and made an ass of myself.
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I mean, there are people all over Twitter saying that Devin Hester shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.
Go fight them ALL.
Devin is a hall of famer but I'm pretty pissed at him for throwing the entire Bears organization and Jay under the bus for him failing to be an offensive weapon in Chicago when they spent 5 years trying to make that happen against the better judgment of everyone.
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Quote from: PenFoe on September 19, 2014, 10:36:09 AM
I mean, there are people all over Twitter saying that Devin Hester shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.
Go fight them ALL.
Devin is a hall of famer but I'm pretty pissed at him for throwing the entire Bears organization and Jay under the bus for him failing to be an offensive weapon in Chicago when they spent 5 years trying to make that happen against the better judgment of everyone but Apex.
Buttpuddle Vindication'd.
For the record since I'm sure I've made everyone super uncomfortable I've never been hit or abused or anything, but I do have cousins and others who have, and it sucks, but I also kind of find it hard to just write off family I care about forever when they seem to be trying not to do it again. The general narrative of these things and the "Why I Stayed" and the etc. is "you need to leave, you need to understand hey can't change" and I absolutely agree people being abused need to get the hell out, but I also can't easily accept that such people are completely beyond redemption even if they try because, shit, that's a really depressing thing to think, even though it usually is a losing battle.
so in Marshall's case it seems like a guy got help and isn't hitting people anymore. Regardless of what he says, that feels like a win we should be happy with.
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I mean, there are people all over Twitter saying that Devin Hester shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.
Go fight them ALL.
Devin is a hall of famer but I'm pretty pissed at him for throwing the entire Bears organization and Jay under the bus for him failing to be an offensive weapon in Chicago when they spent 5 years trying to make that happen against the better judgment of everyone but Apex.
Buttpuddle Vindication'd.
1074 yards, 10 TDs. NEVER FORGET
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so in Marshall's case it seems like a guy got help and isn't hitting people anymore. Regardless of what he says, that feels like a win we should be happy with.
Why don't you just step away from the computer for a bit a take a few deep breaths.
No one thinks you beat people.
Yet.
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so in Marshall's case it seems like a guy got help and isn't hitting people anymore. Regardless of what he says, that feels like a win we should be happy with.
Why don't you just step away from the computer for a bit a take a few deep breaths.
No one thinks you beat people.
Yet.
SKO, this is a judgement-free forum. Show us on the doll where Brandon hit you and show us the document he had you rewrite in your own handwriting
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so in Marshall's case it seems like a guy got help and isn't hitting people anymore. Regardless of what he says, that feels like a win we should be happy with.
Why don't you just step away from the computer for a bit a take a few deep breaths.
No one thinks you beat people.
Yet.
SKO, this is a judgement-free forum. Show us on the doll where Brandon hit you and show us the document he had you rewrite in your own handwriting
You of all people want to go to "show us on the doll" jokes, eh?
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Sorry to ruin the internet again. We can all make fun of Lovie and McGowan together if it will foster healing.
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I mean, there are people all over Twitter saying that Devin Hester shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.
Go fight them ALL.
Devin is a hall of famer but I'm pretty pissed at him for throwing the entire Bears organization and Jay under the bus for him failing to be an offensive weapon in Chicago when they spent 5 years trying to make that happen against the better judgment of everyone but Apex.
Buttpuddle Vindication'd.
1074 yards, 10 TDs. NEVER FORGET
Hey, I might finally be right.
Also, I'm done congratulating Brandon Marshall for not hitting women anymore. He has to own his past and it seams like he is. But from what I've heard from professionals about Borderline Personality Disorder, the chance for a relapse is always eminent. Right now, while he's rich and famous, in the public eye with millions of people paying attention to him, he might have found certain outlets for his energy that keep him in good mental shape. My worry is that when his career is in decline or over, will the anger and frustration build up and cause him to do something terrible.
Should I disown him as a fan for something he hasn't done yet? Of course not. But I've doled out my last HJ for how well he's cleaned himself up and not hit any women lately.
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I mean, there are people all over Twitter saying that Devin Hester shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.
Go fight them ALL.
Devin is a hall of famer but I'm pretty pissed at him for throwing the entire Bears organization and Jay under the bus for him failing to be an offensive weapon in Chicago when they spent 5 years trying to make that happen against the better judgment of everyone but Apex.
Buttpuddle Vindication'd.
1074 yards, 10 TDs. NEVER FORGET
Hey, I might finally be right.
No, you're not right.
5 catches, 99 yards, 1 TD week one.
YEAH DEVIN THE RECEIVER HAS ARRIVED. 2 catches, 27 yards, 1 carry, 20 yards since then. So he's on pace for about 672 yards receiving, which wouldn't even be a career high. He's averaged fewer touches per game than he did in Chicago so far 3.1 from 2008-2012 vs. 2.6 as a Falcon. I'm going to say "let's see how this plays out". But really he's going to finish with 570 yards and 5 tds, tops.
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I mean, there are people all over Twitter saying that Devin Hester shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.
Go fight them ALL.
Devin is a hall of famer but I'm pretty pissed at him for throwing the entire Bears organization and Jay under the bus for him failing to be an offensive weapon in Chicago when they spent 5 years trying to make that happen against the better judgment of everyone but Apex.
Buttpuddle Vindication'd.
1074 yards, 10 TDs. NEVER FORGET
Hey, I might finally be right.
No, you're not right.
5 catches, 99 yards, 1 TD week one.
YEAH DEVIN THE RECEIVER HAS ARRIVED. 2 catches, 27 yards, 1 carry, 20 yards since then. So he's on pace for about 672 yards receiving, which wouldn't even be a career high. He's averaged fewer touches per game than he did in Chicago so far 3.1 from 2008-2012 vs. 2.6 as a Falcon. I'm going to say "let's see how this plays out". But really he's going to finish with 570 yards and 5 tds, tops.
800 and 7.
but hey, if Devin has reached the point in his career where he can be a pretty good #4 receiver at age 32, great job. Real proud. You proved us all wrong, pal.
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I mean, there are people all over Twitter saying that Devin Hester shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.
Go fight them ALL.
Devin is a hall of famer but I'm pretty pissed at him for throwing the entire Bears organization and Jay under the bus for him failing to be an offensive weapon in Chicago when they spent 5 years trying to make that happen against the better judgment of everyone but Apex.
Buttpuddle Vindication'd.
1074 yards, 10 TDs. NEVER FORGET
Hey, I might finally be right.
No, you're not right.
5 catches, 99 yards, 1 TD week one.
YEAH DEVIN THE RECEIVER HAS ARRIVED. 2 catches, 27 yards, 1 carry, 20 yards since then. So he's on pace for about 672 yards receiving, which wouldn't even be a career high. He's averaged fewer touches per game than he did in Chicago so far 3.1 from 2008-2012 vs. 2.6 as a Falcon. I'm going to say "let's see how this plays out". But really he's going to finish with 570 yards and 5 tds, tops.
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You proved us all wrong, pal.
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I mean, there are people all over Twitter saying that Devin Hester shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.
Go fight them ALL.
Devin is a hall of famer but I'm pretty pissed at him for throwing the entire Bears organization and Jay under the bus for him failing to be an offensive weapon in Chicago when they spent 5 years trying to make that happen against the better judgment of everyone but Apex.
Buttpuddle Vindication'd.
1074 yards, 10 TDs. NEVER FORGET
Hey, I might finally be right.
No, you're not right.
5 catches, 99 yards, 1 TD week one.
YEAH DEVIN THE RECEIVER HAS ARRIVED. 2 catches, 27 yards, 1 carry, 20 yards since then. So he's on pace for about 672 yards receiving, which wouldn't even be a career high. He's averaged fewer touches per game than he did in Chicago so far 3.1 from 2008-2012 vs. 2.6 as a Falcon. I'm going to say "let's see how this plays out". But really he's going to finish with 570 yards and 5 tds, tops.
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You proved us all wrong, pal.
Stop doing that.
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I mean, there are people all over Twitter saying that Devin Hester shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.
Go fight them ALL.
Devin is a hall of famer but I'm pretty pissed at him for throwing the entire Bears organization and Jay under the bus for him failing to be an offensive weapon in Chicago when they spent 5 years trying to make that happen against the better judgment of everyone but Apex.
Buttpuddle Vindication'd.
1074 yards, 10 TDs. NEVER FORGET
Hey, I might finally be right.
Also, I'm done congratulating Brandon Marshall for not hitting women anymore. He has to own his past and it seams like he is. But from what I've heard from professionals about Borderline Personality Disorder, the chance for a relapse is always eminent. Right now, while he's rich and famous, in the public eye with millions of people paying attention to him, he might have found certain outlets for his energy that keep him in good mental shape. My worry is that when his career is in decline or over, will the anger and frustration build up and cause him to do something terrible.
Should I disown him as a fan for something he hasn't done yet? Of course not. But I've doled out my last HJ for how well he's cleaned himself up and not hit any women lately.
My mother specializes in Borderline Personality Disorder. She's written books on it. It's not about relapse. It doesn't "go away." But, it doesn't mean that he's going to start hitting women again either. It's treatable, like most other things. It certainly heightens during times of greatest stress and trauma, but (and I think Marshall is acutely aware of this) it's always there, just a question of how well you can manage it and/or the quality of the treatment you're receiving.
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I mean, there are people all over Twitter saying that Devin Hester shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.
Go fight them ALL.
Devin is a hall of famer but I'm pretty pissed at him for throwing the entire Bears organization and Jay under the bus for him failing to be an offensive weapon in Chicago when they spent 5 years trying to make that happen against the better judgment of everyone but Apex.
Buttpuddle Vindication'd.
1074 yards, 10 TDs. NEVER FORGET
Hey, I might finally be right.
Also, I'm done congratulating Brandon Marshall for not hitting women anymore. He has to own his past and it seams like he is. But from what I've heard from professionals about Borderline Personality Disorder, the chance for a relapse is always eminent. Right now, while he's rich and famous, in the public eye with millions of people paying attention to him, he might have found certain outlets for his energy that keep him in good mental shape. My worry is that when his career is in decline or over, will the anger and frustration build up and cause him to do something terrible.
Should I disown him as a fan for something he hasn't done yet? Of course not. But I've doled out my last HJ for how well he's cleaned himself up and not hit any women lately.
My mother specializes in Borderline Personality Disorder. She's written books on it. It's not about relapse. It doesn't "go away." But, it doesn't mean that he's going to start hitting women again either. It's treatable, like most other things. It certainly heightens during times of greatest stress and trauma, but (and I think Marshall is acutely aware of this) it's always there, just a question of how well you can manage it and/or the quality of the treatment you're receiving.
Yeah. It's also a disorder that leaves people feeling victimized and paranoid, from what I understand. Which is the really concerning thing about that press conference. If Brandon's back to feeling like the world is against him I'm afraid he'll act to validate those fears.
I will say the best part of the Marshall presser was him saying, out loud, "I've learned never to say anything because if you try to battle in the court of public opinion you'll lose so all you can do is not say anything" while he was holding an hour long press conference. That's an expert-level lack of self-awareness.
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I mean, there are people all over Twitter saying that Devin Hester shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.
Go fight them ALL.
Devin is a hall of famer but I'm pretty pissed at him for throwing the entire Bears organization and Jay under the bus for him failing to be an offensive weapon in Chicago when they spent 5 years trying to make that happen against the better judgment of everyone but Apex.
Buttpuddle Vindication'd.
1074 yards, 10 TDs. NEVER FORGET
Hey, I might finally be right.
No, you're not right.
5 catches, 99 yards, 1 TD week one.
YEAH DEVIN THE RECEIVER HAS ARRIVED. 2 catches, 27 yards, 1 carry, 20 yards since then. So he's on pace for about 672 yards receiving, which wouldn't even be a career high. He's averaged fewer touches per game than he did in Chicago so far 3.1 from 2008-2012 vs. 2.6 as a Falcon. I'm going to say "let's see how this plays out". But really he's going to finish with 570 yards and 5 tds, tops.
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 12:12:34 PM
You proved us all wrong, pal.
Stop doing that.
If you'd just stop arguing against yourself, I wouldn't have to.
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I mean, there are people all over Twitter saying that Devin Hester shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.
Go fight them ALL.
Devin is a hall of famer but I'm pretty pissed at him for throwing the entire Bears organization and Jay under the bus for him failing to be an offensive weapon in Chicago when they spent 5 years trying to make that happen against the better judgment of everyone but Apex.
Buttpuddle Vindication'd.
1074 yards, 10 TDs. NEVER FORGET
Hey, I might finally be right.
No, you're not right.
5 catches, 99 yards, 1 TD week one.
YEAH DEVIN THE RECEIVER HAS ARRIVED. 2 catches, 27 yards, 1 carry, 20 yards since then. So he's on pace for about 672 yards receiving, which wouldn't even be a career high. He's averaged fewer touches per game than he did in Chicago so far 3.1 from 2008-2012 vs. 2.6 as a Falcon. I'm going to say "let's see how this plays out". But really he's going to finish with 570 yards and 5 tds, tops.
Quote from: SKO on September 19, 2014, 12:12:34 PM
You proved us all wrong, pal.
Stop doing that.
If you'd just stop arguing against yourself, I wouldn't have to.
I know you understand sarcasm so now you're just being mean where did nice eli go that guy and I got along.
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I mean, there are people all over Twitter saying that Devin Hester shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.
Go fight them ALL.
Devin is a hall of famer but I'm pretty pissed at him for throwing the entire Bears organization and Jay under the bus for him failing to be an offensive weapon in Chicago when they spent 5 years trying to make that happen against the better judgment of everyone but Apex.
Buttpuddle Vindication'd.
1074 yards, 10 TDs. NEVER FORGET
Hey, I might finally be right.
Also, I'm done congratulating Brandon Marshall for not hitting women anymore. He has to own his past and it seams like he is. But from what I've heard from professionals about Borderline Personality Disorder, the chance for a relapse is always eminent. Right now, while he's rich and famous, in the public eye with millions of people paying attention to him, he might have found certain outlets for his energy that keep him in good mental shape. My worry is that when his career is in decline or over, will the anger and frustration build up and cause him to do something terrible.
Should I disown him as a fan for something he hasn't done yet? Of course not. But I've doled out my last HJ for how well he's cleaned himself up and not hit any women lately.
My mother specializes in Borderline Personality Disorder. She's written books on it. It's not about relapse. It doesn't "go away." But, it doesn't mean that he's going to start hitting women again either. It's treatable, like most other things. It certainly heightens during times of greatest stress and trauma, but (and I think Marshall is acutely aware of this) it's always there, just a question of how well you can manage it and/or the quality of the treatment you're receiving.
I appreciate that info. I really do hope he keeps it together. But of course that goes for anybody, not just players on my favorite team. I'm not sick of Brandon or anything, but I'm avoiding that press conference like the plague.
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I mean, there are people all over Twitter saying that Devin Hester shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.
Go fight them ALL.
Devin is a hall of famer but I'm pretty pissed at him for throwing the entire Bears organization and Jay under the bus for him failing to be an offensive weapon in Chicago when they spent 5 years trying to make that happen against the better judgment of everyone but Apex.
Buttpuddle Vindication'd.
1074 yards, 10 TDs. NEVER FORGET
Hey, I might finally be right.
Also, I'm done congratulating Brandon Marshall for not hitting women anymore. He has to own his past and it seams like he is. But from what I've heard from professionals about Borderline Personality Disorder, the chance for a relapse is always eminent. Right now, while he's rich and famous, in the public eye with millions of people paying attention to him, he might have found certain outlets for his energy that keep him in good mental shape. My worry is that when his career is in decline or over, will the anger and frustration build up and cause him to do something terrible.
Should I disown him as a fan for something he hasn't done yet? Of course not. But I've doled out my last HJ for how well he's cleaned himself up and not hit any women lately.
My mother specializes in Borderline Personality Disorder. She's written books on it. It's not about relapse. It doesn't "go away." But, it doesn't mean that he's going to start hitting women again either. It's treatable, like most other things. It certainly heightens during times of greatest stress and trauma, but (and I think Marshall is acutely aware of this) it's always there, just a question of how well you can manage it and/or the quality of the treatment you're receiving.
I appreciate that info. I really do hope he keeps it together. But of course that goes for anybody, not just players on my favorite team. I'm not sick of Brandon or anything, but I'm avoiding that press conference like the plague.
That's best. Whether you like Brandon or not that thing was ill-advised and just plain awkward at best.
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I mean, there are people all over Twitter saying that Devin Hester shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.
Go fight them ALL.
Devin is a hall of famer but I'm pretty pissed at him for throwing the entire Bears organization and Jay under the bus for him failing to be an offensive weapon in Chicago when they spent 5 years trying to make that happen against the better judgment of everyone but Apex.
Buttpuddle Vindication'd.
1074 yards, 10 TDs. NEVER FORGET
Hey, I might finally be right.
Also, I'm done congratulating Brandon Marshall for not hitting women anymore. He has to own his past and it seams like he is. But from what I've heard from professionals about Borderline Personality Disorder, the chance for a relapse is always eminent. Right now, while he's rich and famous, in the public eye with millions of people paying attention to him, he might have found certain outlets for his energy that keep him in good mental shape. My worry is that when his career is in decline or over, will the anger and frustration build up and cause him to do something terrible.
Should I disown him as a fan for something he hasn't done yet? Of course not. But I've doled out my last HJ for how well he's cleaned himself up and not hit any women lately.
My mother specializes in Borderline Personality Disorder. She's written books on it. It's not about relapse. It doesn't "go away." But, it doesn't mean that he's going to start hitting women again either. It's treatable, like most other things. It certainly heightens during times of greatest stress and trauma, but (and I think Marshall is acutely aware of this) it's always there, just a question of how well you can manage it and/or the quality of the treatment you're receiving.
Is there a blog where Apex and your mom talk about these disorders?
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I mean, there are people all over Twitter saying that Devin Hester shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.
Go fight them ALL.
Devin is a hall of famer but I'm pretty pissed at him for throwing the entire Bears organization and Jay under the bus for him failing to be an offensive weapon in Chicago when they spent 5 years trying to make that happen against the better judgment of everyone but Apex.
Buttpuddle Vindication'd.
1074 yards, 10 TDs. NEVER FORGET
Hey, I might finally be right.
Also, I'm done congratulating Brandon Marshall for not hitting women anymore. He has to own his past and it seams like he is. But from what I've heard from professionals about Borderline Personality Disorder, the chance for a relapse is always eminent. Right now, while he's rich and famous, in the public eye with millions of people paying attention to him, he might have found certain outlets for his energy that keep him in good mental shape. My worry is that when his career is in decline or over, will the anger and frustration build up and cause him to do something terrible.
Should I disown him as a fan for something he hasn't done yet? Of course not. But I've doled out my last HJ for how well he's cleaned himself up and not hit any women lately.
My mother specializes in Borderline Personality Disorder. She's written books on it. It's not about relapse. It doesn't "go away." But, it doesn't mean that he's going to start hitting women again either. It's treatable, like most other things. It certainly heightens during times of greatest stress and trauma, but (and I think Marshall is acutely aware of this) it's always there, just a question of how well you can manage it and/or the quality of the treatment you're receiving.
Is there a blog where Apex and your mom talk about these disorders?
She's not Asian so Apex wouldn't be into her.
Hey guys, Brandon Marshall spent $100,000 to send his mom to rehab. Best $100,000 he ever spent. Look, here's the canceled check right here, it's on Page 1 of your packet. $100,000! Can you believe that? He spent $100,000 on his mom! Hey, $100,000 is better than $200,000, right mom??
Also, Gloria Allred is an eloquent bitch who's never done anything for victims but Roger Goodell is a swell dude and everyone should leave him alone. And you'd better never accuse Brandon of rape, Peggy! Got my eye on you!
pleasestopmakingmehatemyfavoriteteam
Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 19, 2014, 12:53:19 PM
Hey guys, Brandon Marshall spent $100,000 to send his mom to rehab. Best $100,000 he ever spent. Look, here's the canceled check right here, it's on Page 1 of your packet. $100,000! Can you believe that? He spent $100,000 on his mom! Hey, $100,000 is better than $200,000, right mom??
Also, Gloria Allred is an eloquent bitch who's never done anything for victims but Roger Goodell is a swell dude and everyone should leave him alone. And you'd better never accuse Brandon of rape, Peggy! Got my eye on you!
pleasestopmakingmehatemyfavoriteteam
Christ on a bike did he really show that? I thought the documents were all related to his court case. God dammit, Brandon
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I mean, there are people all over Twitter saying that Devin Hester shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.
Go fight them ALL.
Devin is a hall of famer but I'm pretty pissed at him for throwing the entire Bears organization and Jay under the bus for him failing to be an offensive weapon in Chicago when they spent 5 years trying to make that happen against the better judgment of everyone but Apex.
Buttpuddle Vindication'd.
1074 yards, 10 TDs. NEVER FORGET
Hey, I might finally be right.
Also, I'm done congratulating Brandon Marshall for not hitting women anymore. He has to own his past and it seams like he is. But from what I've heard from professionals about Borderline Personality Disorder, the chance for a relapse is always eminent. Right now, while he's rich and famous, in the public eye with millions of people paying attention to him, he might have found certain outlets for his energy that keep him in good mental shape. My worry is that when his career is in decline or over, will the anger and frustration build up and cause him to do something terrible.
Should I disown him as a fan for something he hasn't done yet? Of course not. But I've doled out my last HJ for how well he's cleaned himself up and not hit any women lately.
My mother specializes in Borderline Personality Disorder. She's written books on it. It's not about relapse. It doesn't "go away." But, it doesn't mean that he's going to start hitting women again either. It's treatable, like most other things. It certainly heightens during times of greatest stress and trauma, but (and I think Marshall is acutely aware of this) it's always there, just a question of how well you can manage it and/or the quality of the treatment you're receiving.
I appreciate that info. I really do hope he keeps it together. But of course that goes for anybody, not just players on my favorite team. I'm not sick of Brandon or anything, but I'm avoiding that press conference like the plague.
That's best. Whether you like Brandon or not that thing was ill-advised and just plain awkward at best.
The only thing that I got out of that press conference is that it wasn't scripted.
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I mean, there are people all over Twitter saying that Devin Hester shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.
Go fight them ALL.
Devin is a hall of famer but I'm pretty pissed at him for throwing the entire Bears organization and Jay under the bus for him failing to be an offensive weapon in Chicago when they spent 5 years trying to make that happen against the better judgment of everyone but Apex.
Buttpuddle Vindication'd.
1074 yards, 10 TDs. NEVER FORGET
Hey, I might finally be right.
Also, I'm done congratulating Brandon Marshall for not hitting women anymore. He has to own his past and it seams like he is. But from what I've heard from professionals about Borderline Personality Disorder, the chance for a relapse is always eminent. Right now, while he's rich and famous, in the public eye with millions of people paying attention to him, he might have found certain outlets for his energy that keep him in good mental shape. My worry is that when his career is in decline or over, will the anger and frustration build up and cause him to do something terrible.
Should I disown him as a fan for something he hasn't done yet? Of course not. But I've doled out my last HJ for how well he's cleaned himself up and not hit any women lately.
My mother specializes in Borderline Personality Disorder. She's written books on it. It's not about relapse. It doesn't "go away." But, it doesn't mean that he's going to start hitting women again either. It's treatable, like most other things. It certainly heightens during times of greatest stress and trauma, but (and I think Marshall is acutely aware of this) it's always there, just a question of how well you can manage it and/or the quality of the treatment you're receiving.
I appreciate that info. I really do hope he keeps it together. But of course that goes for anybody, not just players on my favorite team. I'm not sick of Brandon or anything, but I'm avoiding that press conference like the plague.
That's best. Whether you like Brandon or not that thing was ill-advised and just plain awkward at best.
The only thing that I got out of that press conference is that it wasn't scripted.
Sounds like he should have sprung for some improv classes.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/09/19/baffoe-sorry-youre-not-sorry-brandon-marshall/ this is really good.
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 19, 2014, 12:53:19 PM
Hey guys, Brandon Marshall spent $100,000 to send his mom to rehab. Best $100,000 he ever spent. Look, here's the canceled check right here, it's on Page 1 of your packet. $100,000! Can you believe that? He spent $100,000 on his mom! Hey, $100,000 is better than $200,000, right mom??
Also, Gloria Allred is an eloquent bitch who's never done anything for victims but Roger Goodell is a swell dude and everyone should leave him alone. And you'd better never accuse Brandon of rape, Peggy! Got my eye on you!
pleasestopmakingmehatemyfavoriteteam
Christ on a bike did he really show that? I thought the documents were all related to his court case. God dammit, Brandon
On the plus side, now that Gloria Allred is involved, I have an excuse to link this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDi8dAfX0ZE&t=8m10s)
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Quote from: Sterling Archer on September 19, 2014, 12:53:19 PM
Hey guys, Brandon Marshall spent $100,000 to send his mom to rehab. Best $100,000 he ever spent. Look, here's the canceled check right here, it's on Page 1 of your packet. $100,000! Can you believe that? He spent $100,000 on his mom! Hey, $100,000 is better than $200,000, right mom??
Also, Gloria Allred is an eloquent bitch who's never done anything for victims but Roger Goodell is a swell dude and everyone should leave him alone. And you'd better never accuse Brandon of rape, Peggy! Got my eye on you!
pleasestopmakingmehatemyfavoriteteam
Christ on a bike did he really show that? I thought the documents were all related to his court case. God dammit, Brandon
On the plus side, now that Gloria Allred is involved, I have an excuse to link this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDi8dAfX0ZE&t=8m10s)
They should bring that show back. More Norm, please.
Torn ACL on this play is the most Lions thing ever.
(http://i.imgur.com/nEokOmd.gif)
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Torn ACL on this play is the most Lions thing ever.
(http://i.imgur.com/nEokOmd.gif)
That's so Lions that I'm amazed it never happened to Roy Williams.
Just wanted to note for the record that Ryan Fitzpatrick has been benched in Texas, and SKO's beloved ARMCOCK is taking over as starting QB. Welcome to the Mallett Era.
This is a dumb sport and if it wasn't for my fantasy league where I might actually win some money I would probably not watch it at all. Getting closer every season.
Quote from: Slaky on November 05, 2014, 07:45:49 PM
This is a dumb sport and if it wasn't for my fantasy league where I might actually win some money I would probably not watch it at all. Getting closer every season.
Both of my fantasy teams are 1-7 and I've stopped editing them. My family and I have decided not to renew our Bears tickets next year. That one hurts a little bit. I'm not gonna lie. I'll get over it.
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Quote from: Slaky on November 05, 2014, 07:45:49 PM
This is a dumb sport and if it wasn't for my fantasy league where I might actually win some money I would probably not watch it at all. Getting closer every season.
Both of my fantasy teams are 1-7 and I've stopped editing them. My family and I have decided not to renew our Bears tickets next year. That one hurts a little bit. I'm not gonna lie. I'll get over it.
Not quite ready to cancel season tickets, but the two Sept. Games are all I'm going to go to this year.
This is a dumb sport, especially pro and college.
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This is a dumb sport and if it wasn't for my fantasy league where I might actually win some money I would probably not watch it at all. Getting closer every season.
Both of my fantasy teams are 1-7 and I've stopped editing them. My family and I have decided not to renew our Bears tickets next year. That one hurts a little bit. I'm not gonna lie. I'll get over it.
Not quite ready to cancel season tickets, but the two Sept. Games are all I'm going to go to this year.
This is a dumb sport, especially pro and college.
I lost interest in college football a few years ago when I picked up Grass Hockey.
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Quote from: Slaky on November 05, 2014, 07:45:49 PM
This is a dumb sport and if it wasn't for my fantasy league where I might actually win some money I would probably not watch it at all. Getting closer every season.
Both of my fantasy teams are 1-7 and I've stopped editing them. My family and I have decided not to renew our Bears tickets next year. That one hurts a little bit. I'm not gonna lie. I'll get over it.
Not quite ready to cancel season tickets, but the two Sept. Games are all I'm going to go to this year.
This is a dumb sport, especially pro and college.
I lost interest in college football a few years ago when I picked up Grass Hockey.
I'm not much for college at all, but I still love this sport and I don't care.
I haven't watched a college game in it's entirety since 2012, probably. At first it was mostly just that I worked a lot of Saturdays with the job I had and then I usually had stuff to do, but after a while I noticed I really didn't miss it that much. As for the NFL I won't pretend the Bears sucking ass isn't the main cause of my general meh attitude toward the sport right now, but frankly even in years past when they blew I'd catch every other game I could, and right now I just don't even bother. By this time next year I'll have a baby and way less time to spend on stupid shit like arguing over Jay Cutler's every bowel movement and I'm not really looking at it as the end of my youth so much as a welcome graduation to doing more important and less irritating shit with my life.
Regardless, Pen sucks.
Quote from: SKO on November 06, 2014, 10:35:54 AM
I haven't watched a college game in it's entirety since 2012, probably. At first it was mostly just that I worked a lot of Saturdays with the job I had and then I usually had stuff to do, but after a while I noticed I really didn't miss it that much. As for the NFL I won't pretend the Bears sucking ass isn't the main cause of my general meh attitude toward the sport right now, but frankly even in years past when they blew I'd catch every other game I could, and right now I just don't even bother. By this time next year I'll have a baby and way less time to spend on stupid shit like arguing over Jay Cutler's every bowel movement and I'm not really looking at it as the end of my youth so much as a welcome graduation to doing more important and less irritating shit with my life.
Regardless, Pen sucks.
You'd think so, but as evidenced by the fact that Slaky's heroically voluminous Twitter output has not been slowed by reproduction, that's not
necessarily going to be the case.
Also, congrats, man.
At the risk of sounding like Chuck's NBA musings, I haven't watched more than about 20 minutes of the NFL since Week 3 and I don't miss it. I hope the league folds and dies within 5 years.
Quote from: PANK! on November 06, 2014, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 06, 2014, 10:35:54 AM
I haven't watched a college game in it's entirety since 2012, probably. At first it was mostly just that I worked a lot of Saturdays with the job I had and then I usually had stuff to do, but after a while I noticed I really didn't miss it that much. As for the NFL I won't pretend the Bears sucking ass isn't the main cause of my general meh attitude toward the sport right now, but frankly even in years past when they blew I'd catch every other game I could, and right now I just don't even bother. By this time next year I'll have a baby and way less time to spend on stupid shit like arguing over Jay Cutler's every bowel movement and I'm not really looking at it as the end of my youth so much as a welcome graduation to doing more important and less irritating shit with my life.
Regardless, Pen sucks.
You'd think so, but as evidenced by the fact that Slaky's heroically voluminous Twitter output has not been slowed by reproduction, that's not necessarily going to be the case.
Also, congrats, man.
Oh I don't expect my twittering and whatnot to go down. I just don't know how often I'll be able to devote not only three uninterrupted hours to the game itself plus lord knows how much time composing 9,000 word screeds about things. I especially doubt I'll have time to watch the All-22 footage, read pro football focus grades, and all of the other crap I do that make me the anal-retentive, pedantic, argumentative prick you all know and love. I may have to watch sports like a sane person, in short.
And thanks.
I only care about the Bears. Since I stopped playing fantasy football 3 years ago I make no effort to watch any other games. Even if the kids and family aren't occupying all of my time like they always do on the weekends, and I find myself suddenly free on a Sunday night to watch SNF, I end up doing something else with my rare, precious free time.
Basically, if the Bears are going to continue to suck, then I'm with Eli--the league can fold for all I care.
Quote from: PANK! on November 06, 2014, 10:59:35 AM
I only care about the Bears. Since I stopped playing fantasy football 3 years ago I make no effort to watch any other games. Even if the kids and family aren't occupying all of my time like they always do on the weekends, and I find myself suddenly free on a Sunday night to watch SNF, I end up doing something else with my rare, precious free time.
Basically, if the Bears are going to continue to suck, then I'm with Eli--the league can fold for all I care.
I can't say for certain that if the Bears get a decent team in a few years that I won't regain maximum levels of interest in them. That's the kind of piece of shit bandwagon fan I've become. And I don't give a shit.
I remember dozens of shitty Bears and Cubs teams that I watched like my life depended on it and thought it counted toward some super fan status that I could point to as my reward weather they won or lost. It turns out none of it counted for shit. Watching the 2002 Cubs and Bears every single day until the end of their miserable seasons didn't make me a better fan. It just made me angry and less available to do things that might have actually improved my life.
Quote from: InternetApex on November 06, 2014, 11:27:43 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 06, 2014, 10:59:35 AM
I only care about the Bears. Since I stopped playing fantasy football 3 years ago I make no effort to watch any other games. Even if the kids and family aren't occupying all of my time like they always do on the weekends, and I find myself suddenly free on a Sunday night to watch SNF, I end up doing something else with my rare, precious free time.
Basically, if the Bears are going to continue to suck, then I'm with Eli--the league can fold for all I care.
I can't say for certain that if the Bears get a decent team in a few years that I won't regain maximum levels of interest in them. That's the kind of piece of shit bandwagon fan I've become. And I don't give a shit.
I remember dozens of shitty Bears and Cubs teams that I watched like my life depended on it and thought it counted toward some super fan status that I could point to as my reward weather they won or lost. It turns out none of it counted for shit. Watching the 2002 Cubs and Bears every single day until the end of their miserable seasons didn't make me a better fan. It just made me angry and less available to do things that might have actually improved my life.
Pretty much this. I honestly thought this year was going to be the payoff. Maybe not a superbowl, but this is the year I thought all of the time spent defending Cutler and Emery and Trestman and this new seemingly intelligent, analytical front office approach the Bears were using would be rewarded with at least a competent, playoff caliber team that you can start to bank on being a yearly contender for the division and a deep playoff run instead of a team that might be a wildcard option if they get all of the breaks. None of it's paid off. This team is no better off than it was with Lovie and Angelo, just different in the ways it chooses to suck, and it's drained any enthusiasm I have for continuing the charade. Win. If you do I'll bandwagon and be right there, if not, fuck it, you've taken enough of my time and energy.
Quote from: SKO on November 06, 2014, 11:52:47 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on November 06, 2014, 11:27:43 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 06, 2014, 10:59:35 AM
I only care about the Bears. Since I stopped playing fantasy football 3 years ago I make no effort to watch any other games. Even if the kids and family aren't occupying all of my time like they always do on the weekends, and I find myself suddenly free on a Sunday night to watch SNF, I end up doing something else with my rare, precious free time.
Basically, if the Bears are going to continue to suck, then I'm with Eli--the league can fold for all I care.
I can't say for certain that if the Bears get a decent team in a few years that I won't regain maximum levels of interest in them. That's the kind of piece of shit bandwagon fan I've become. And I don't give a shit.
I remember dozens of shitty Bears and Cubs teams that I watched like my life depended on it and thought it counted toward some super fan status that I could point to as my reward weather they won or lost. It turns out none of it counted for shit. Watching the 2002 Cubs and Bears every single day until the end of their miserable seasons didn't make me a better fan. It just made me angry and less available to do things that might have actually improved my life.
Pretty much this. I honestly thought this year was going to be the payoff. Maybe not a superbowl, but this is the year I thought all of the time spent defending Cutler and Emery and Trestman and this new seemingly intelligent, analytical front office approach the Bears were using would be rewarded with at least a competent, playoff caliber team that you can start to bank on being a yearly contender for the division and a deep playoff run instead of a team that might be a wildcard option if they get all of the breaks. None of it's paid off. This team is no better off than it was with Lovie and Angelo, just different in the ways it chooses to suck, and it's drained any enthusiasm I have for continuing the charade. Win. If you do I'll bandwagon and be right there, if not, fuck it, you've taken enough of my time and energy.
So basically you guys are just Bears fans and not really football fans?
Not sitting in judgment (THIS TIME) just clarifying.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 06, 2014, 11:55:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 06, 2014, 11:52:47 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on November 06, 2014, 11:27:43 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 06, 2014, 10:59:35 AM
I only care about the Bears. Since I stopped playing fantasy football 3 years ago I make no effort to watch any other games. Even if the kids and family aren't occupying all of my time like they always do on the weekends, and I find myself suddenly free on a Sunday night to watch SNF, I end up doing something else with my rare, precious free time.
Basically, if the Bears are going to continue to suck, then I'm with Eli--the league can fold for all I care.
I can't say for certain that if the Bears get a decent team in a few years that I won't regain maximum levels of interest in them. That's the kind of piece of shit bandwagon fan I've become. And I don't give a shit.
I remember dozens of shitty Bears and Cubs teams that I watched like my life depended on it and thought it counted toward some super fan status that I could point to as my reward weather they won or lost. It turns out none of it counted for shit. Watching the 2002 Cubs and Bears every single day until the end of their miserable seasons didn't make me a better fan. It just made me angry and less available to do things that might have actually improved my life.
Pretty much this. I honestly thought this year was going to be the payoff. Maybe not a superbowl, but this is the year I thought all of the time spent defending Cutler and Emery and Trestman and this new seemingly intelligent, analytical front office approach the Bears were using would be rewarded with at least a competent, playoff caliber team that you can start to bank on being a yearly contender for the division and a deep playoff run instead of a team that might be a wildcard option if they get all of the breaks. None of it's paid off. This team is no better off than it was with Lovie and Angelo, just different in the ways it chooses to suck, and it's drained any enthusiasm I have for continuing the charade. Win. If you do I'll bandwagon and be right there, if not, fuck it, you've taken enough of my time and energy.
So basically you guys are just Bears fans and not really football fans?
Not sitting in judgment (THIS TIME) just clarifying.
Yeah.
I'm also following NIU so that's it--not otherwise interested in NCAA or NFL football, save for NIU and the Bears.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 06, 2014, 11:55:22 AM
So basically you guys are just Bears fans and not really football fans?
Not sitting in judgment (THIS TIME) just clarifying.
I think I
used to be more of an actual football fan. But, like Mike, I stopped playing fantasy football and no longer have any incentive to spend a nice Sunday afternoon watching a random Browns game on TV.
But probably more so, I've been surprised at how all of the negative stuff from the past few years has affected my view of the game. It just feels unseemly watching crummy people do obviously damaging things to each other, all under this ridiculously over-the-top spectacle that not only pretends it's fine, but somehow glorious.
Maybe I'd feel differently if the Bears were sitting at 7-1 right now but, truthfully, I hope not.
Quote from: PANK! on November 06, 2014, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 06, 2014, 10:35:54 AM
I haven't watched a college game in it's entirety since 2012, probably. At first it was mostly just that I worked a lot of Saturdays with the job I had and then I usually had stuff to do, but after a while I noticed I really didn't miss it that much. As for the NFL I won't pretend the Bears sucking ass isn't the main cause of my general meh attitude toward the sport right now, but frankly even in years past when they blew I'd catch every other game I could, and right now I just don't even bother. By this time next year I'll have a baby and way less time to spend on stupid shit like arguing over Jay Cutler's every bowel movement and I'm not really looking at it as the end of my youth so much as a welcome graduation to doing more important and less irritating shit with my life.
Regardless, Pen sucks.
You'd think so, but as evidenced by the fact that Slaky's heroically voluminous Twitter output has not been slowed by reproduction, that's not necessarily going to be the case.
Also, congrats, man.
Reproduction actually increases my output. Ah hell nothing can slow me down.
Quote from: PANK! on November 06, 2014, 12:00:09 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 06, 2014, 11:55:22 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 06, 2014, 11:52:47 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on November 06, 2014, 11:27:43 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 06, 2014, 10:59:35 AM
I only care about the Bears. Since I stopped playing fantasy football 3 years ago I make no effort to watch any other games. Even if the kids and family aren't occupying all of my time like they always do on the weekends, and I find myself suddenly free on a Sunday night to watch SNF, I end up doing something else with my rare, precious free time.
Basically, if the Bears are going to continue to suck, then I'm with Eli--the league can fold for all I care.
I can't say for certain that if the Bears get a decent team in a few years that I won't regain maximum levels of interest in them. That's the kind of piece of shit bandwagon fan I've become. And I don't give a shit.
I remember dozens of shitty Bears and Cubs teams that I watched like my life depended on it and thought it counted toward some super fan status that I could point to as my reward weather they won or lost. It turns out none of it counted for shit. Watching the 2002 Cubs and Bears every single day until the end of their miserable seasons didn't make me a better fan. It just made me angry and less available to do things that might have actually improved my life.
Pretty much this. I honestly thought this year was going to be the payoff. Maybe not a superbowl, but this is the year I thought all of the time spent defending Cutler and Emery and Trestman and this new seemingly intelligent, analytical front office approach the Bears were using would be rewarded with at least a competent, playoff caliber team that you can start to bank on being a yearly contender for the division and a deep playoff run instead of a team that might be a wildcard option if they get all of the breaks. None of it's paid off. This team is no better off than it was with Lovie and Angelo, just different in the ways it chooses to suck, and it's drained any enthusiasm I have for continuing the charade. Win. If you do I'll bandwagon and be right there, if not, fuck it, you've taken enough of my time and energy.
So basically you guys are just Bears fans and not really football fans?
Not sitting in judgment (THIS TIME) just clarifying.
Yeah.
I'm also following NIU so that's it--not otherwise interested in NCAA or NFL football, save for NIU and the Bears.
Me too. Except it's the Bears and Michigan.
So that's working out really well for me.
Quote from: Eli on November 06, 2014, 12:19:14 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 06, 2014, 11:55:22 AM
So basically you guys are just Bears fans and not really football fans?
Not sitting in judgment (THIS TIME) just clarifying.
I think I used to be more of an actual football fan. But, like Mike, I stopped playing fantasy football and no longer have any incentive to spend a nice Sunday afternoon watching a random Browns game on TV.
But probably more so, I've been surprised at how all of the negative stuff from the past few years has affected my view of the game. It just feels unseemly watching crummy people do obviously damaging things to each other, all under this ridiculously over-the-top spectacle that not only pretends it's fine, but somehow glorious.
Maybe I'd feel differently if the Bears were sitting at 7-1 right now but, truthfully, I hope not.
That, and honestly just the stupidity that surrounds the NFL in general. Elite quarterback debates, discussions of toughness, talk about locker room cancer and leadership issues, each week being a fucking referendum on EVERYTHING. It's tiring.
I'm aware baseball and basketball and hockey have their share of meatballs and stupidity but the NFL leads the charge and actively cultivates it. Other than the Stats vs. Scouts debate in baseball which, frankly, I feel like has been pretty much won, there's just not as much noise to tune out with baseball. I mean we can bitch about Gordo and his anti-Ricketts agenda all day long but I'd still rather do that than hear yet another debate about whether or not Peyton Manning (WHO HAS A FUCKING SUPERBOWL RING) can win a big game.
Football's product is still the most exciting in my opinion when you boil it down to the game itself, but they've added so much rotten detritus on to that product in their attempt to dominate the 24 hour news cycle all fucking year long that the weight of bullshit that comes with enjoying football is only cancelled out if your team wins and wins a lot and makes it worth it. The Bears are not worth it.
Or maybe my entire sports life is just cyclical. From 2003-2009 (with the brief exceptions of 2005-2006) I probably focused more hope and energy on the Cubs than anything else. By the time the Zambrano-Lee-Ramirez-Soriano Cubs finally ended all of the years of "will they/won't they" with "they won't and you might as well tune out for about 5 years till they find some new guys," well, my beautiful double-chinned sulk-faced savior had arrived to the Bears and they got the bulk of my attention. Now that I'm pretty damn sure that's a failure and the Bears aren't going to be relevant till they rebuild, well, lucky for me the Cubs and their new sparkly-eyed, dong-hitting savior are here to be my pride and joy for awhile.
I, for one, am anxiously awaiting the first "Adrian Peterson overcomes adversity" story.
The NFL folding would also mean not having to hear about the opinions of scumbags like Mike Florio or snarky know-it-all-except-how-not-to-run-publications-into-the-ground Hub Arkush anymore, which would be quite nice.
Quote from: Slaky on November 06, 2014, 12:41:37 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 06, 2014, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 06, 2014, 10:35:54 AM
I haven't watched a college game in it's entirety since 2012, probably. At first it was mostly just that I worked a lot of Saturdays with the job I had and then I usually had stuff to do, but after a while I noticed I really didn't miss it that much. As for the NFL I won't pretend the Bears sucking ass isn't the main cause of my general meh attitude toward the sport right now, but frankly even in years past when they blew I'd catch every other game I could, and right now I just don't even bother. By this time next year I'll have a baby and way less time to spend on stupid shit like arguing over Jay Cutler's every bowel movement and I'm not really looking at it as the end of my youth so much as a welcome graduation to doing more important and less irritating shit with my life.
Regardless, Pen sucks.
You'd think so, but as evidenced by the fact that Slaky's heroically voluminous Twitter output has not been slowed by reproduction, that's not necessarily going to be the case.
Also, congrats, man.
Reproduction actually increases my output. Ah hell nothing can slow me down.
I'm like 90% sure Slaky was requesting an Inbox invite from me (on Facebook, albeit) while his new baby was crowning.
Quote from: ChuckD on November 06, 2014, 02:43:47 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 06, 2014, 12:41:37 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 06, 2014, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 06, 2014, 10:35:54 AM
I haven't watched a college game in it's entirety since 2012, probably. At first it was mostly just that I worked a lot of Saturdays with the job I had and then I usually had stuff to do, but after a while I noticed I really didn't miss it that much. As for the NFL I won't pretend the Bears sucking ass isn't the main cause of my general meh attitude toward the sport right now, but frankly even in years past when they blew I'd catch every other game I could, and right now I just don't even bother. By this time next year I'll have a baby and way less time to spend on stupid shit like arguing over Jay Cutler's every bowel movement and I'm not really looking at it as the end of my youth so much as a welcome graduation to doing more important and less irritating shit with my life.
Regardless, Pen sucks.
You'd think so, but as evidenced by the fact that Slaky's heroically voluminous Twitter output has not been slowed by reproduction, that's not necessarily going to be the case.
Also, congrats, man.
Reproduction actually increases my output. Ah hell nothing can slow me down.
I'm like 90% sure Slaky was requesting an Inbox invite from me (on Facebook, albeit) while his new baby was crowning.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/910/5154312473.jpg)
Quote from: PenFoe on November 06, 2014, 10:17:01 AM
Quote from: Slaky on November 06, 2014, 06:58:22 AM
Quote from: Brownie on November 06, 2014, 06:56:54 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on November 05, 2014, 07:50:17 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 05, 2014, 07:45:49 PM
This is a dumb sport and if it wasn't for my fantasy league where I might actually win some money I would probably not watch it at all. Getting closer every season.
Both of my fantasy teams are 1-7 and I've stopped editing them. My family and I have decided not to renew our Bears tickets next year. That one hurts a little bit. I'm not gonna lie. I'll get over it.
Not quite ready to cancel season tickets, but the two Sept. Games are all I'm going to go to this year.
This is a dumb sport, especially pro and college.
I lost interest in college football a few years ago when I picked up Grass Hockey.
I'm not much for college at all, but I still love this sport and I don't care.
Well, your alma mater (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Phoenix) doesn't really field a team that I know of.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 06, 2014, 02:59:29 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on November 06, 2014, 02:43:47 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 06, 2014, 12:41:37 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 06, 2014, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 06, 2014, 10:35:54 AM
I haven't watched a college game in it's entirety since 2012, probably. At first it was mostly just that I worked a lot of Saturdays with the job I had and then I usually had stuff to do, but after a while I noticed I really didn't miss it that much. As for the NFL I won't pretend the Bears sucking ass isn't the main cause of my general meh attitude toward the sport right now, but frankly even in years past when they blew I'd catch every other game I could, and right now I just don't even bother. By this time next year I'll have a baby and way less time to spend on stupid shit like arguing over Jay Cutler's every bowel movement and I'm not really looking at it as the end of my youth so much as a welcome graduation to doing more important and less irritating shit with my life.
Regardless, Pen sucks.
You'd think so, but as evidenced by the fact that Slaky's heroically voluminous Twitter output has not been slowed by reproduction, that's not necessarily going to be the case.
Also, congrats, man.
Reproduction actually increases my output. Ah hell nothing can slow me down.
I'm like 90% sure Slaky was requesting an Inbox invite from me (on Facebook, albeit) while his new baby was crowning.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/910/5154312473.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/v2T9ehy.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/DmiIsxt.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Xym819A.png)
Quote from: ChuckD on November 06, 2014, 03:07:45 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 06, 2014, 02:59:29 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on November 06, 2014, 02:43:47 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 06, 2014, 12:41:37 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 06, 2014, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 06, 2014, 10:35:54 AM
I haven't watched a college game in it's entirety since 2012, probably. At first it was mostly just that I worked a lot of Saturdays with the job I had and then I usually had stuff to do, but after a while I noticed I really didn't miss it that much. As for the NFL I won't pretend the Bears sucking ass isn't the main cause of my general meh attitude toward the sport right now, but frankly even in years past when they blew I'd catch every other game I could, and right now I just don't even bother. By this time next year I'll have a baby and way less time to spend on stupid shit like arguing over Jay Cutler's every bowel movement and I'm not really looking at it as the end of my youth so much as a welcome graduation to doing more important and less irritating shit with my life.
Regardless, Pen sucks.
You'd think so, but as evidenced by the fact that Slaky's heroically voluminous Twitter output has not been slowed by reproduction, that's not necessarily going to be the case.
Also, congrats, man.
Reproduction actually increases my output. Ah hell nothing can slow me down.
I'm like 90% sure Slaky was requesting an Inbox invite from me (on Facebook, albeit) while his new baby was crowning.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/910/5154312473.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/v2T9ehy.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/DmiIsxt.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Xym819A.png)
yeah but Slak's one of them social media celebrity types. It's expected. I'm eagerly awaiting his debut as one of those Vine stars.
Quote from: ChuckD on November 06, 2014, 03:07:45 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 06, 2014, 02:59:29 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on November 06, 2014, 02:43:47 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 06, 2014, 12:41:37 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 06, 2014, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 06, 2014, 10:35:54 AM
I haven't watched a college game in it's entirety since 2012, probably. At first it was mostly just that I worked a lot of Saturdays with the job I had and then I usually had stuff to do, but after a while I noticed I really didn't miss it that much. As for the NFL I won't pretend the Bears sucking ass isn't the main cause of my general meh attitude toward the sport right now, but frankly even in years past when they blew I'd catch every other game I could, and right now I just don't even bother. By this time next year I'll have a baby and way less time to spend on stupid shit like arguing over Jay Cutler's every bowel movement and I'm not really looking at it as the end of my youth so much as a welcome graduation to doing more important and less irritating shit with my life.
Regardless, Pen sucks.
You'd think so, but as evidenced by the fact that Slaky's heroically voluminous Twitter output has not been slowed by reproduction, that's not necessarily going to be the case.
Also, congrats, man.
Reproduction actually increases my output. Ah hell nothing can slow me down.
I'm like 90% sure Slaky was requesting an Inbox invite from me (on Facebook, albeit) while his new baby was crowning.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/910/5154312473.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/v2T9ehy.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/DmiIsxt.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Xym819A.png)
As awesome as that is, I'm equally entertained by the ubiquitous presence of Facemorph Like-botting everything he sees.
Quote from: SKO on November 06, 2014, 03:10:04 PM
I'm eagerly awaiting his debut as one of those Vine stars.
Hashtag (https://twitter.com/AndrewCieslak/status/527234148596187136) whale (https://twitter.com/AndrewCieslak/status/527234222969597952)
Quote from: ChuckD on November 06, 2014, 03:07:45 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 06, 2014, 02:59:29 PM
Quote from: ChuckD on November 06, 2014, 02:43:47 PM
Quote from: Slaky on November 06, 2014, 12:41:37 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 06, 2014, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 06, 2014, 10:35:54 AM
I haven't watched a college game in it's entirety since 2012, probably. At first it was mostly just that I worked a lot of Saturdays with the job I had and then I usually had stuff to do, but after a while I noticed I really didn't miss it that much. As for the NFL I won't pretend the Bears sucking ass isn't the main cause of my general meh attitude toward the sport right now, but frankly even in years past when they blew I'd catch every other game I could, and right now I just don't even bother. By this time next year I'll have a baby and way less time to spend on stupid shit like arguing over Jay Cutler's every bowel movement and I'm not really looking at it as the end of my youth so much as a welcome graduation to doing more important and less irritating shit with my life.
Regardless, Pen sucks.
You'd think so, but as evidenced by the fact that Slaky's heroically voluminous Twitter output has not been slowed by reproduction, that's not necessarily going to be the case.
Also, congrats, man.
Reproduction actually increases my output. Ah hell nothing can slow me down.
I'm like 90% sure Slaky was requesting an Inbox invite from me (on Facebook, albeit) while his new baby was crowning.
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/910/5154312473.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/v2T9ehy.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/DmiIsxt.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Xym819A.png)
Pwnd
Quote from: PANK! on November 06, 2014, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 06, 2014, 10:35:54 AM
I haven't watched a college game in it's entirety since 2012, probably. At first it was mostly just that I worked a lot of Saturdays with the job I had and then I usually had stuff to do, but after a while I noticed I really didn't miss it that much. As for the NFL I won't pretend the Bears sucking ass isn't the main cause of my general meh attitude toward the sport right now, but frankly even in years past when they blew I'd catch every other game I could, and right now I just don't even bother. By this time next year I'll have a baby and way less time to spend on stupid shit like arguing over Jay Cutler's every bowel movement and I'm not really looking at it as the end of my youth so much as a welcome graduation to doing more important and less irritating shit with my life.
Regardless, Pen sucks.
You'd think so, but as evidenced by the fact that Slaky's heroically voluminous Twitter output has not been slowed by reproduction, that's not necessarily going to be the case.
Also, congrats, man.
Hopefully the video of SKO giving birth goes viral.
Quote from: Fork on November 06, 2014, 03:58:38 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 06, 2014, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 06, 2014, 10:35:54 AM
I haven't watched a college game in it's entirety since 2012, probably. At first it was mostly just that I worked a lot of Saturdays with the job I had and then I usually had stuff to do, but after a while I noticed I really didn't miss it that much. As for the NFL I won't pretend the Bears sucking ass isn't the main cause of my general meh attitude toward the sport right now, but frankly even in years past when they blew I'd catch every other game I could, and right now I just don't even bother. By this time next year I'll have a baby and way less time to spend on stupid shit like arguing over Jay Cutler's every bowel movement and I'm not really looking at it as the end of my youth so much as a welcome graduation to doing more important and less irritating shit with my life.
Regardless, Pen sucks.
You'd think so, but as evidenced by the fact that Slaky's heroically voluminous Twitter output has not been slowed by reproduction, that's not necessarily going to be the case.
Also, congrats, man.
Hopefully the video of SKO giving birth goes viral.
you're a strange man to want that
Quote from: SKO on November 06, 2014, 04:05:02 PM
Quote from: Fork on November 06, 2014, 03:58:38 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 06, 2014, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 06, 2014, 10:35:54 AM
I haven't watched a college game in it's entirety since 2012, probably. At first it was mostly just that I worked a lot of Saturdays with the job I had and then I usually had stuff to do, but after a while I noticed I really didn't miss it that much. As for the NFL I won't pretend the Bears sucking ass isn't the main cause of my general meh attitude toward the sport right now, but frankly even in years past when they blew I'd catch every other game I could, and right now I just don't even bother. By this time next year I'll have a baby and way less time to spend on stupid shit like arguing over Jay Cutler's every bowel movement and I'm not really looking at it as the end of my youth so much as a welcome graduation to doing more important and less irritating shit with my life.
Regardless, Pen sucks.
You'd think so, but as evidenced by the fact that Slaky's heroically voluminous Twitter output has not been slowed by reproduction, that's not necessarily going to be the case.
Also, congrats, man.
Hopefully the video of SKO giving birth goes viral.
you're a strange man to want that
Tell us something we didn't know
I'm gonna have to give Slaky a pass, because, for a man, there really isn't much to do during most of labor but sit around. And the first few months of fatherhood for me were spent being up at weird hours, not having anything better to do, and tweeting about bullshit. Hell, none of that Holiday Road crap would've happened if I actually was sleeping normal hours.
As for the NFL, I have always been such a borderline football viewer that a combination of a terrible Bears team and absolute human garbage getting away with practically everything they do in this sport has left me not giving a tin shit this year.
Quote from: Bort on November 06, 2014, 08:39:52 PM
I'm gonna have to give Slaky a pass, because, for a man, there really isn't much to do during most of labor but sit around. And the first few months of fatherhood for me were spent being up at weird hours, not having anything better to do, and tweeting about bullshit. Hell, none of that Holiday Road crap would've happened if I actually was sleeping normal hours.
Yep. Literally sitting there waiting. And I'm not working until Wednesday so that leaves even more time to post and tweet throwaway crap.
I could have saved Chuck D the trouble and just said - yeah I definitely responded to you during labor. I deny nothing.
Quote from: Bort on November 06, 2014, 08:39:52 PM
I'm gonna have to give Slaky a pass, because, for a man, there really isn't much to do during most of labor but sit around.
Quote from: Slaky on November 06, 2014, 09:33:49 PM
Yep. Literally sitting there waiting.
I find these viewpoints surprising.
Quote from: Eli on November 06, 2014, 10:07:13 PM
Quote from: Bort on November 06, 2014, 08:39:52 PM
I'm gonna have to give Slaky a pass, because, for a man, there really isn't much to do during most of labor but sit around.
Quote from: Slaky on November 06, 2014, 09:33:49 PM
Yep. Literally sitting there waiting.
I find these viewpoints surprising.
I cut the umbilical cord. I was there. But this was my second kid so it was very chill. Not kidding - we were there for three hours total before the baby came out. Also my mom showed up towing my drunk father around while my wife's parents were watching on Skype. The doc said it was the weirdest birth he's ever been present for which made me feel good.
Quote from: Bort on November 06, 2014, 08:39:52 PM
I'm gonna have to give Slaky a pass, because, for a man, there really isn't much to do during most of labor but sit around. And the first few months of fatherhood for me were spent being up at weird hours, not having anything better to do, and tweeting about bullshit. Hell, none of that Holiday Road crap would've happened if I actually was sleeping normal hours.
As for the NFL, I have always been such a borderline football viewer that a combination of a terrible Bears team and absolute human garbage getting away with practically everything they do in this sport has left me not giving a tin shit this year.
That, and being named for a Cubs first-round pick, will be your son's lasting legacies.
Quote from: Eli on November 06, 2014, 10:07:13 PM
Quote from: Bort on November 06, 2014, 08:39:52 PM
I'm gonna have to give Slaky a pass, because, for a man, there really isn't much to do during most of labor but sit around.
Quote from: Slaky on November 06, 2014, 09:33:49 PM
Yep. Literally sitting there waiting.
I find these viewpoints surprising.
Seriously. Ali's water broke at like 2am, and my son wasn't born until 8:54pm. Most of the time in between was spent waiting for her to dilate/efface (they eventually gave up and she had a c-section). There were literally hours where we basically hung out in the delivery room.
Quote from: Bort on November 06, 2014, 08:39:52 PM
I'm gonna have to give Slaky a pass, because, for a man, there really isn't much to do during most of labor but sit around. And the first few months of fatherhood for me were spent being up at weird hours, not having anything better to do, and tweeting about bullshit. Hell, none of that Holiday Road crap would've happened if I actually was sleeping normal hours.
There's also the ADD.
Quote from: Bort on November 06, 2014, 10:25:24 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 06, 2014, 10:07:13 PM
Quote from: Bort on November 06, 2014, 08:39:52 PM
I'm gonna have to give Slaky a pass, because, for a man, there really isn't much to do during most of labor but sit around.
Quote from: Slaky on November 06, 2014, 09:33:49 PM
Yep. Literally sitting there waiting.
I find these viewpoints surprising.
Seriously. Ali's water broke at like 2am, and my son wasn't born until 8:54pm. Most of the time in between was spent waiting for her to dilate/efface (they eventually gave up and she had a c-section). There were literally hours where we basically hung out in the delivery room.
Yeah, it's just funny how different things can be -- Julie's water broke a little after 9 p.m. and the baby was out at 2:02 a.m. So, about 4 1/2 hours from sitting on our couch watching TV to holding a baby, which gave us actual sitcommy-throw-things-in-a-bag labor ("Where are the keys?!" "You're holding them!" *laugh track*). I don't think I even found my phone until I needed it to take pictures.
#DesipioBirthStories
I wasn't even there when SKO was born.
Quote from: Bort on November 06, 2014, 08:39:52 PM
I'm gonna have to give Slaky a pass, because, for a man, there really isn't much to do during most of labor but sit around. And the first few months of fatherhood for me were spent being up at weird hours, not having anything better to do, and tweeting about bullshit. Hell, none of that Holiday Road crap would've happened if I actually was sleeping normal hours.
As for the NFL, I have always been such a borderline football viewer that a combination of a terrible Bears team and absolute human garbage getting away with practically everything they do in this sport has left me not giving a tin shit this year.
I give him a pass, too, but that doesn't mean I don't love ChuckD busting his balls
Quote from: Yeti on November 07, 2014, 08:13:04 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 06, 2014, 08:39:52 PM
I'm gonna have to give Slaky a pass, because, for a man, there really isn't much to do during most of labor but sit around. And the first few months of fatherhood for me were spent being up at weird hours, not having anything better to do, and tweeting about bullshit. Hell, none of that Holiday Road crap would've happened if I actually was sleeping normal hours.
As for the NFL, I have always been such a borderline football viewer that a combination of a terrible Bears team and absolute human garbage getting away with practically everything they do in this sport has left me not giving a tin shit this year.
I give him a pass, too, but that doesn't mean I don't love ChuckD busting his balls
Oh, I'm not criticizing. I'll probably be doing similarly when we have a kid. Just thought it was funny and totally befitting Slak's status as an up-and-coming Vine star.
Quote from: ChuckD on November 07, 2014, 08:17:20 AM
Quote from: Yeti on November 07, 2014, 08:13:04 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 06, 2014, 08:39:52 PM
I'm gonna have to give Slaky a pass, because, for a man, there really isn't much to do during most of labor but sit around. And the first few months of fatherhood for me were spent being up at weird hours, not having anything better to do, and tweeting about bullshit. Hell, none of that Holiday Road crap would've happened if I actually was sleeping normal hours.
As for the NFL, I have always been such a borderline football viewer that a combination of a terrible Bears team and absolute human garbage getting away with practically everything they do in this sport has left me not giving a tin shit this year.
I give him a pass, too, but that doesn't mean I don't love ChuckD busting his balls
Oh, I'm not criticizing. I'll probably be doing similarly when we have a kid. Just thought it was funny and totally befitting Slak's status as an up-and-coming Vine star.
And there was me thinking you were one of those "our dog is our kid" kind of guys.
Quote from: Tonker on November 07, 2014, 08:26:59 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on November 07, 2014, 08:17:20 AM
Quote from: Yeti on November 07, 2014, 08:13:04 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 06, 2014, 08:39:52 PM
I'm gonna have to give Slaky a pass, because, for a man, there really isn't much to do during most of labor but sit around. And the first few months of fatherhood for me were spent being up at weird hours, not having anything better to do, and tweeting about bullshit. Hell, none of that Holiday Road crap would've happened if I actually was sleeping normal hours.
As for the NFL, I have always been such a borderline football viewer that a combination of a terrible Bears team and absolute human garbage getting away with practically everything they do in this sport has left me not giving a tin shit this year.
I give him a pass, too, but that doesn't mean I don't love ChuckD busting his balls
Oh, I'm not criticizing. I'll probably be doing similarly when we have a kid. Just thought it was funny and totally befitting Slak's status as an up-and-coming Vine star.
And there was me thinking you were one of those "our dog is our kid" kind of guys.
Our dog is our kid. We leave her in the house all day while we live our lives. And when the world turns to soft-serve shit in a couple years she'll be ready to check out leaving only us to suffer as we abandon every semblance of the materialistic life in the 20/21st centuries. Let the world collapse around us. Who cares? I got this all figured out.
First Murton: Pitocin at 8 AM, kid at 4 PM. Lotsa napping by both.
Second Murton: Version at 4 PM (worked), pitocin at 4:30. Went to grab a sandwich at 5:30. Back at 6:15. At 6:30, OB comes in and says, "Finish quickly." Kid at 7.
Third Murton: Pitocin at 7 AM. Nap from 8 to 9:30. Kid out at 10:15.
Quote from: Tonker on November 07, 2014, 08:26:59 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on November 07, 2014, 08:17:20 AM
Quote from: Yeti on November 07, 2014, 08:13:04 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 06, 2014, 08:39:52 PM
I'm gonna have to give Slaky a pass, because, for a man, there really isn't much to do during most of labor but sit around. And the first few months of fatherhood for me were spent being up at weird hours, not having anything better to do, and tweeting about bullshit. Hell, none of that Holiday Road crap would've happened if I actually was sleeping normal hours.
As for the NFL, I have always been such a borderline football viewer that a combination of a terrible Bears team and absolute human garbage getting away with practically everything they do in this sport has left me not giving a tin shit this year.
I give him a pass, too, but that doesn't mean I don't love ChuckD busting his balls
Oh, I'm not criticizing. I'll probably be doing similarly when we have a kid. Just thought it was funny and totally befitting Slak's status as an up-and-coming Vine star.
And there was me thinking you were one of those "our dog is our kid" kind of guys.
Those people truly are the worst.
YOU'RE NOT YOUR DOG'S "FATHER"
Quote from: PANK! on November 07, 2014, 08:58:56 AM
Those people truly are the worst.
YOU'RE NOT YOUR DOG'S "FATHER"
Co-signed.
Quote from: Tonker on November 07, 2014, 08:26:59 AM
And there was me thinking you were one of those "our dog is our kid" kind of guys.
Also, I had somehow assumed this was more of an American culture thing. Apparently not?
Quote from: Eli on November 07, 2014, 09:04:08 AM
Quote from: Tonker on November 07, 2014, 08:26:59 AM
And there was me thinking you were one of those "our dog is our kid" kind of guys.
Also, I had somehow assumed this was more of an American culture thing. Apparently not?
Unless Tonk is observing all this American behavior on FB.
OTOH I have a cousin in London whose wife shares the same level of zeal that many animal-lovers in the States possess so perhaps it is more global than I first thought.
Quote from: Tonker on November 07, 2014, 08:26:59 AM
Quote from: ChuckD on November 07, 2014, 08:17:20 AM
Quote from: Yeti on November 07, 2014, 08:13:04 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 06, 2014, 08:39:52 PM
I'm gonna have to give Slaky a pass, because, for a man, there really isn't much to do during most of labor but sit around. And the first few months of fatherhood for me were spent being up at weird hours, not having anything better to do, and tweeting about bullshit. Hell, none of that Holiday Road crap would've happened if I actually was sleeping normal hours.
As for the NFL, I have always been such a borderline football viewer that a combination of a terrible Bears team and absolute human garbage getting away with practically everything they do in this sport has left me not giving a tin shit this year.
I give him a pass, too, but that doesn't mean I don't love ChuckD busting his balls
Oh, I'm not criticizing. I'll probably be doing similarly when we have a kid. Just thought it was funny and totally befitting Slak's status as an up-and-coming Vine star.
And there was me thinking you were one of those "our dog is our kid" kind of guys.
My dog is my kid (dog-hter?) for now. We'll have an actual kid or two in a few years and then dog will just be my copilot.
Quote from: PANK! on November 07, 2014, 09:09:39 AM
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Quote from: Tonker on November 07, 2014, 08:26:59 AM
And there was me thinking you were one of those "our dog is our kid" kind of guys.
Also, I had somehow assumed this was more of an American culture thing. Apparently not?
Unless Tonk is observing all this American behavior on FB.
OTOH I have a cousin in London whose wife shares the same level of zeal that many animal-lovers in the States possess so perhaps it is more global than I first thought.
Ding ding ding! I'm also friends with some fucking fruit loop who constantly posts about his two young cat kids. He's called them something cutesy like Gene and Rita, or some shit like that.
Quote from: Tonker on November 07, 2014, 09:54:02 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 07, 2014, 09:09:39 AM
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Quote from: Tonker on November 07, 2014, 08:26:59 AM
And there was me thinking you were one of those "our dog is our kid" kind of guys.
Also, I had somehow assumed this was more of an American culture thing. Apparently not?
Unless Tonk is observing all this American behavior on FB.
OTOH I have a cousin in London whose wife shares the same level of zeal that many animal-lovers in the States possess so perhaps it is more global than I first thought.
Ding ding ding! I'm also friends with some fucking fruit loop who constantly posts about his two young cat kids. He's called them something cutesy like Gene and Rita, or some shit like that.
SBox'd
(http://i.imgur.com/am7LywR.jpg)
Quote from: Eli on November 07, 2014, 09:04:08 AM
Quote from: Tonker on November 07, 2014, 08:26:59 AM
And there was me thinking you were one of those "our dog is our kid" kind of guys.
Also, I had somehow assumed this was more of an American culture thing. Apparently not?
Go to a fancy restaurant in Paris for dinner. At the next table you are likely to see a Parisian and his precious poodle sharing the fondue and cherries jubilee.
Quote from: CBStew on November 07, 2014, 11:40:32 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 07, 2014, 09:04:08 AM
Quote from: Tonker on November 07, 2014, 08:26:59 AM
And there was me thinking you were one of those "our dog is our kid" kind of guys.
Also, I had somehow assumed this was more of an American culture thing. Apparently not?
Go to a fancy restaurant in Paris for dinner. At the next table you are likely to see a Parisian and his precious poodle sharing the fondue and cherries jubilee.
I don't recall seeing many dogs at all in Paris.
Quote from: CBStew on November 07, 2014, 11:40:32 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 07, 2014, 09:04:08 AM
Quote from: Tonker on November 07, 2014, 08:26:59 AM
And there was me thinking you were one of those "our dog is our kid" kind of guys.
Also, I had somehow assumed this was more of an American culture thing. Apparently not?
Go to a fancy restaurant in Paris for dinner. At the next table you are likely to see a Parisian and his precious poodle sharing the fondue and cherries jubilee.
Paris for dinner. Tokyo for dessert
Quote from: Yeti on November 07, 2014, 11:52:21 AM
Quote from: CBStew on November 07, 2014, 11:40:32 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 07, 2014, 09:04:08 AM
Quote from: Tonker on November 07, 2014, 08:26:59 AM
And there was me thinking you were one of those "our dog is our kid" kind of guys.
Also, I had somehow assumed this was more of an American culture thing. Apparently not?
Go to a fancy restaurant in Paris for dinner. At the next table you are likely to see a Parisian and his precious poodle sharing the fondue and cherries jubilee.
Paris for dinner. Tokyo for dessert
That's very good, Yeti.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 07, 2014, 10:11:58 AM
Quote from: Tonker on November 07, 2014, 09:54:02 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 07, 2014, 09:09:39 AM
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Quote from: Tonker on November 07, 2014, 08:26:59 AM
And there was me thinking you were one of those "our dog is our kid" kind of guys.
Also, I had somehow assumed this was more of an American culture thing. Apparently not?
Unless Tonk is observing all this American behavior on FB.
OTOH I have a cousin in London whose wife shares the same level of zeal that many animal-lovers in the States possess so perhaps it is more global than I first thought.
Ding ding ding! I'm also friends with some fucking fruit loop who constantly posts about his two young cat kids. He's called them something cutesy like Gene and Rita, or some shit like that.
SBox'd
(http://i.imgur.com/am7LywR.jpg)
This is why you never hear me bitch about how hard I work.
We have cats and not kids, but we're also aware of the difference.
Quote from: Eli on November 07, 2014, 07:52:31 AM
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Quote from: Bort on November 06, 2014, 08:39:52 PM
I'm gonna have to give Slaky a pass, because, for a man, there really isn't much to do during most of labor but sit around.
Quote from: Slaky on November 06, 2014, 09:33:49 PM
Yep. Literally sitting there waiting.
I find these viewpoints surprising.
Seriously. Ali's water broke at like 2am, and my son wasn't born until 8:54pm. Most of the time in between was spent waiting for her to dilate/efface (they eventually gave up and she had a c-section). There were literally hours where we basically hung out in the delivery room.
Yeah, it's just funny how different things can be -- Julie's water broke a little after 9 p.m. and the baby was out at 2:02 a.m. So, about 4 1/2 hours from sitting on our couch watching TV to holding a baby, which gave us actual sitcommy-throw-things-in-a-bag labor ("Where are the keys?!" "You're holding them!" *laugh track*). I don't think I even found my phone until I needed it to take pictures.
#DesipioBirthStories
I was pretty hands-on in both births, whether it was pacing back and forth watching the contractions/heartbeat monitor or holding a leg or grabbing water or whatever, there was definitely not any situation where I could have imagined being online. Maybe because we didn't have any family there either time or just the nature of our relationship.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 07, 2014, 02:04:40 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 07, 2014, 07:52:31 AM
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Quote from: Eli on November 06, 2014, 10:07:13 PM
Quote from: Bort on November 06, 2014, 08:39:52 PM
I'm gonna have to give Slaky a pass, because, for a man, there really isn't much to do during most of labor but sit around.
Quote from: Slaky on November 06, 2014, 09:33:49 PM
Yep. Literally sitting there waiting.
I find these viewpoints surprising.
Seriously. Ali's water broke at like 2am, and my son wasn't born until 8:54pm. Most of the time in between was spent waiting for her to dilate/efface (they eventually gave up and she had a c-section). There were literally hours where we basically hung out in the delivery room.
Yeah, it's just funny how different things can be -- Julie's water broke a little after 9 p.m. and the baby was out at 2:02 a.m. So, about 4 1/2 hours from sitting on our couch watching TV to holding a baby, which gave us actual sitcommy-throw-things-in-a-bag labor ("Where are the keys?!" "You're holding them!" *laugh track*). I don't think I even found my phone until I needed it to take pictures.
#DesipioBirthStories
I was pretty hands-on in both births, whether it was pacing back and forth watching the contractions/heartbeat monitor or holding a leg or grabbing water or whatever, there was definitely not any situation where I could have imagined being online. Maybe because we didn't have any family there either time or just the nature of our relationship.
I can see if it's a 22-hour labor needing to step away for a bit (even during my wife's very fast labor, the midwife [yes, we're hippies] told me to leave for 10 minutes to get some fresh air), and checking your phone being as good of a distraction as any. It just would have felt very weird in our case. To each their own, of course.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 07, 2014, 02:04:40 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 07, 2014, 07:52:31 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 06, 2014, 10:25:24 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 06, 2014, 10:07:13 PM
Quote from: Bort on November 06, 2014, 08:39:52 PM
I'm gonna have to give Slaky a pass, because, for a man, there really isn't much to do during most of labor but sit around.
Quote from: Slaky on November 06, 2014, 09:33:49 PM
Yep. Literally sitting there waiting.
I find these viewpoints surprising.
Seriously. Ali's water broke at like 2am, and my son wasn't born until 8:54pm. Most of the time in between was spent waiting for her to dilate/efface (they eventually gave up and she had a c-section). There were literally hours where we basically hung out in the delivery room.
Yeah, it's just funny how different things can be -- Julie's water broke a little after 9 p.m. and the baby was out at 2:02 a.m. So, about 4 1/2 hours from sitting on our couch watching TV to holding a baby, which gave us actual sitcommy-throw-things-in-a-bag labor ("Where are the keys?!" "You're holding them!" *laugh track*). I don't think I even found my phone until I needed it to take pictures.
#DesipioBirthStories
I was pretty hands-on in both births, whether it was pacing back and forth watching the contractions/heartbeat monitor or holding a leg or grabbing water or whatever, there was definitely not any situation where I could have imagined being online. Maybe because we didn't have any family there either time or just the nature of our relationship.
My last kid was pre-social media.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 07, 2014, 02:04:40 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 07, 2014, 07:52:31 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 06, 2014, 10:25:24 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 06, 2014, 10:07:13 PM
Quote from: Bort on November 06, 2014, 08:39:52 PM
I'm gonna have to give Slaky a pass, because, for a man, there really isn't much to do during most of labor but sit around.
Quote from: Slaky on November 06, 2014, 09:33:49 PM
Yep. Literally sitting there waiting.
I find these viewpoints surprising.
Seriously. Ali's water broke at like 2am, and my son wasn't born until 8:54pm. Most of the time in between was spent waiting for her to dilate/efface (they eventually gave up and she had a c-section). There were literally hours where we basically hung out in the delivery room.
Yeah, it's just funny how different things can be -- Julie's water broke a little after 9 p.m. and the baby was out at 2:02 a.m. So, about 4 1/2 hours from sitting on our couch watching TV to holding a baby, which gave us actual sitcommy-throw-things-in-a-bag labor ("Where are the keys?!" "You're holding them!" *laugh track*). I don't think I even found my phone until I needed it to take pictures.
#DesipioBirthStories
I was pretty hands-on in both births, whether it was pacing back and forth watching the contractions/heartbeat monitor or holding a leg or grabbing water or whatever, there was definitely not any situation where I could have imagined being online. Maybe because we didn't have any family there either time or just the nature of our relationship.
Well
someone had to apply the patchouli oil while your doula was busy burning the gluten-free harvest sacrifice to Mother Gaia.
This used to be the "2014 General NFL Thread".
Quote from: CBStew on November 07, 2014, 03:23:38 PM
This used to be the "2014 General NFL Thread".
Football used to be fun.
Quote from: Eli on November 07, 2014, 02:50:58 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 07, 2014, 02:04:40 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 07, 2014, 07:52:31 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 06, 2014, 10:25:24 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 06, 2014, 10:07:13 PM
Quote from: Bort on November 06, 2014, 08:39:52 PM
I'm gonna have to give Slaky a pass, because, for a man, there really isn't much to do during most of labor but sit around.
Quote from: Slaky on November 06, 2014, 09:33:49 PM
Yep. Literally sitting there waiting.
I find these viewpoints surprising.
Seriously. Ali's water broke at like 2am, and my son wasn't born until 8:54pm. Most of the time in between was spent waiting for her to dilate/efface (they eventually gave up and she had a c-section). There were literally hours where we basically hung out in the delivery room.
Yeah, it's just funny how different things can be -- Julie's water broke a little after 9 p.m. and the baby was out at 2:02 a.m. So, about 4 1/2 hours from sitting on our couch watching TV to holding a baby, which gave us actual sitcommy-throw-things-in-a-bag labor ("Where are the keys?!" "You're holding them!" *laugh track*). I don't think I even found my phone until I needed it to take pictures.
#DesipioBirthStories
I was pretty hands-on in both births, whether it was pacing back and forth watching the contractions/heartbeat monitor or holding a leg or grabbing water or whatever, there was definitely not any situation where I could have imagined being online. Maybe because we didn't have any family there either time or just the nature of our relationship.
I can see if it's a 22-hour labor needing to step away for a bit (even during my wife's very fast labor, the midwife [yes, we're hippies] told me to leave for 10 minutes to get some fresh air), and checking your phone being as good of a distraction as any. It just would have felt very weird in our case. To each their own, of course.
We're using a midwife, too. Just one at a birth center so there's a doctor available in case of emergency. My hippie cousin just did a homebirth involving 63 hours of labor with a kid that was four days overdue without even a professional midwife their. Just some lady who read some books or something. I was appalled.
We used modern medicine. It was pretty sweet.
Quote from: SKO on November 07, 2014, 03:40:47 PM
We're using a midwife, too. Just one at a birth center so there's a doctor available in case of emergency. My hippie cousin just did a homebirth involving 63 hours of labor with a kid that was four days overdue without even a professional midwife their. Just some lady who read some books or something. I was appalled.
No way I'd be comfortable with an unsupervised home birth, but it's nice there are growing options between giving birth in the woods and hospitals where doctors push C-sections so they can get to their kid's soccer game on time (my wife actually saw this happen when she was a NICU nurse). We were very happy with our midwife/birth center experience, which was still attached to a "modern" hospital and all its trappings, if actually needed.
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2014, 04:47:52 PM
We used modern medicine. It was pretty sweet.
*like*
I will never forget that night. My wife brought home Taco Bell and we ate it and then she announced:
"My water broke".
I was stunned. "Just now?" I asked.
"No, it happened in the car on the way home, but I knew if I said something you'd want to go right to the hospital, and they wouldn't let me eat until the kid came out."
We went to the hospital. The baby was born 5pm the following day.
She (the child) was asleep on my chest a few days later when news of the Nomar trade came across the ticker. I was sure she'd never know a time when the Cubs were a laughingstock.
I'm pretty drunk right now.
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2014, 04:47:52 PM
We used modern medicine. It was pretty sweet.
I know enough friends who have had emergency procedures needed that it's insane to me that anyone would want to have a baby anywhere other than 5 feet from the nearest doctor.
Quote from: BH on November 10, 2014, 08:17:22 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2014, 04:47:52 PM
We used modern medicine. It was pretty sweet.
I know enough friends who have had emergency procedures needed that it's insane to me that anyone would want to have a baby anywhere other than 5 feet from the nearest doctor.
Yep. My nephew was born with a high fever and had to go on anti-biotics basically the second he was out of the womb and was in the NICU for weeks. Scared the living piss out of me. The midwife thing is fine with me as long as everything goes to plan, but I sure as hell wasn't going to sign off on a midwife that didn't operate out of a hospital with doctors available in case of an emergency.
Quote from: SKO on November 10, 2014, 09:49:58 AM
Quote from: BH on November 10, 2014, 08:17:22 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2014, 04:47:52 PM
We used modern medicine. It was pretty sweet.
I know enough friends who have had emergency procedures needed that it's insane to me that anyone would want to have a baby anywhere other than 5 feet from the nearest doctor.
Yep. My nephew was born with a high fever and had to go on anti-biotics basically the second he was out of the womb and was in the NICU for weeks. Scared the living piss out of me. The midwife thing is fine with me as long as everything goes to plan, but I sure as hell wasn't going to sign off on a midwife that didn't operate out of a hospital with doctors available in case of an emergency.
I think people hear "midwife" and think "witch doctor," for whatever reason. But nowadays midwives (certified ones, anyway) are typically nurse practitioners or DNPs, which requires a lot of rigorous clinical knowledge. Ours really knew her stuff and I felt as comfortable with her taking care of my wife and baby as I would've with any doctor. And if some emergency situation had come up, I'm completely confident she would have handled it. You've got no reason to worry, at least beyond the general terror that comes with impending fatherhood.
Quote from: Eli on November 10, 2014, 10:54:46 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 10, 2014, 09:49:58 AM
Quote from: BH on November 10, 2014, 08:17:22 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2014, 04:47:52 PM
We used modern medicine. It was pretty sweet.
I know enough friends who have had emergency procedures needed that it's insane to me that anyone would want to have a baby anywhere other than 5 feet from the nearest doctor.
Yep. My nephew was born with a high fever and had to go on anti-biotics basically the second he was out of the womb and was in the NICU for weeks. Scared the living piss out of me. The midwife thing is fine with me as long as everything goes to plan, but I sure as hell wasn't going to sign off on a midwife that didn't operate out of a hospital with doctors available in case of an emergency.
... You've got no reason to worry, at least beyond the general terror that comes with impending fatherhood.
All four of my sons were born back in the day when fathers were not allowed in the delivery room. It was a convenient cop-out for me, and I am not sorry that I wasn't present for the awe-inspiring drama.
Quote from: CBStew on November 10, 2014, 11:51:22 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 10, 2014, 10:54:46 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 10, 2014, 09:49:58 AM
Quote from: BH on November 10, 2014, 08:17:22 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2014, 04:47:52 PM
We used modern medicine. It was pretty sweet.
I know enough friends who have had emergency procedures needed that it's insane to me that anyone would want to have a baby anywhere other than 5 feet from the nearest doctor.
Yep. My nephew was born with a high fever and had to go on anti-biotics basically the second he was out of the womb and was in the NICU for weeks. Scared the living piss out of me. The midwife thing is fine with me as long as everything goes to plan, but I sure as hell wasn't going to sign off on a midwife that didn't operate out of a hospital with doctors available in case of an emergency.
... You've got no reason to worry, at least beyond the general terror that comes with impending fatherhood.
All four of my sons were born back in the day when fathers were not allowed in the delivery room. It was a convenient cop-out for me, and I am not sorry that I wasn't present for the awe-inspiring drama.
My dad always credited me for waiting until the completion of Boston Celtics basketball game--which he was watching on the waiting room TV-- until I arrived.
Also, I was not in the delivery room for my first born. My wife had a scheduled c-section and they told me I couldn't go in. I realized, after the fact, that this was so the hospital would not have their incompetence on full display. They cut my daughter's head upon retrieval--so basically the first thing that happened to her post-natal was getting stitches-- and the anesthesiologist doped my wife up so badly that she was out for several hours. I was actually the first person to feed the baby, which I did with a bottle.
Moral of the story--don't ever have your birth at St. Francis Hospital in Evanston. You're better off having Eli's hippie Douala deliver your child on a dirt path in the forest.
Quote from: PANK! on November 10, 2014, 12:09:35 PM
Quote from: CBStew on November 10, 2014, 11:51:22 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 10, 2014, 10:54:46 AM
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Quote from: BH on November 10, 2014, 08:17:22 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2014, 04:47:52 PM
We used modern medicine. It was pretty sweet.
I know enough friends who have had emergency procedures needed that it's insane to me that anyone would want to have a baby anywhere other than 5 feet from the nearest doctor.
Yep. My nephew was born with a high fever and had to go on anti-biotics basically the second he was out of the womb and was in the NICU for weeks. Scared the living piss out of me. The midwife thing is fine with me as long as everything goes to plan, but I sure as hell wasn't going to sign off on a midwife that didn't operate out of a hospital with doctors available in case of an emergency.
... You've got no reason to worry, at least beyond the general terror that comes with impending fatherhood.
All four of my sons were born back in the day when fathers were not allowed in the delivery room. It was a convenient cop-out for me, and I am not sorry that I wasn't present for the awe-inspiring drama.
My dad always credited me for waiting until the completion of Boston Celtics basketball game--which he was watching on the waiting room TV-- until I arrived.
Also, I was not in the delivery room for my first born. My wife had a scheduled c-section and they told me I couldn't go in. I realized, after the fact, that this was so the hospital would not have their incompetence on full display. They cut my daughter's head upon retrieval--so basically the first thing that happened to her post-natal was getting stitches-- and the anesthesiologist doped my wife up so badly that she was out for several hours. I was actually the first person to feed the baby, which I did with a bottle.
Moral of the story--don't ever have your birth at St. Francis Hospital in Evanston. You're better off having Eli's hippie Douala deliver your child on a dirt path in the forest.
First off, this is hilarious.
Secondly, one of my friends from college who also lives in Boulder is a doula and I'm pretty sure they offer that service. (http://www.birthcenterofboulder.com/)
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/914/6082777982.jpg)
Quote from: Eli on November 10, 2014, 10:54:46 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 10, 2014, 09:49:58 AM
Quote from: BH on November 10, 2014, 08:17:22 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2014, 04:47:52 PM
We used modern medicine. It was pretty sweet.
I know enough friends who have had emergency procedures needed that it's insane to me that anyone would want to have a baby anywhere other than 5 feet from the nearest doctor.
Yep. My nephew was born with a high fever and had to go on anti-biotics basically the second he was out of the womb and was in the NICU for weeks. Scared the living piss out of me. The midwife thing is fine with me as long as everything goes to plan, but I sure as hell wasn't going to sign off on a midwife that didn't operate out of a hospital with doctors available in case of an emergency.
I think people hear "midwife" and think "witch doctor," for whatever reason. But nowadays midwives (certified ones, anyway) are typically nurse practitioners or DNPs, which requires a lot of rigorous clinical knowledge. Ours really knew her stuff and I felt as comfortable with her taking care of my wife and baby as I would've with any doctor. And if some emergency situation had come up, I'm completely confident she would have handled it. You've got no reason to worry, at least beyond the general terror that comes with impending fatherhood.
I'm not sure about the rest of Europe but in the UK, NL and DE, unless there's a reason to suspect that the birth might be problematic, a midwife takes care of the delivery. There will be a gynaecologist and a paediatrician around, but they don't get involved unless it's necessary. In fact, in the Netherlands, almost half of all births take place at home - the cloggies are all about the laissez faire. It wasn't an option for us, but even if it had been, we wouldn't have done it. Fucking nutters.
Quote from: PANK! on November 10, 2014, 12:09:35 PM
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Quote from: Eli on November 10, 2014, 10:54:46 AM
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Quote from: BH on November 10, 2014, 08:17:22 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2014, 04:47:52 PM
We used modern medicine. It was pretty sweet.
I know enough friends who have had emergency procedures needed that it's insane to me that anyone would want to have a baby anywhere other than 5 feet from the nearest doctor.
Yep. My nephew was born with a high fever and had to go on anti-biotics basically the second he was out of the womb and was in the NICU for weeks. Scared the living piss out of me. The midwife thing is fine with me as long as everything goes to plan, but I sure as hell wasn't going to sign off on a midwife that didn't operate out of a hospital with doctors available in case of an emergency.
... You've got no reason to worry, at least beyond the general terror that comes with impending fatherhood.
All four of my sons were born back in the day when fathers were not allowed in the delivery room. It was a convenient cop-out for me, and I am not sorry that I wasn't present for the awe-inspiring drama.
My dad always credited me for waiting until the completion of Boston Celtics basketball game--which he was watching on the waiting room TV-- until I arrived.
Also, I was not in the delivery room for my first born. My wife had a scheduled c-section and they told me I couldn't go in. I realized, after the fact, that this was so the hospital would not have their incompetence on full display. They cut my daughter's head upon retrieval--so basically the first thing that happened to her post-natal was getting stitches-- and the anesthesiologist doped my wife up so badly that she was out for several hours. I was actually the first person to feed the baby, which I did with a bottle.
Moral of the story--don't ever have your birth at St. Francis Hospital in Evanston. You're better off having Eli's hippie Douala deliver your child on a dirt path in the forest.
Well, that's a relief.
Quote from: PANK! on November 10, 2014, 12:09:35 PM
You're better off having Eli's hippie Douala deliver your child on a dirt path in the forest.
Rhymes with koala, I assume.
Quote from: Tonker on November 10, 2014, 12:14:28 PM
Quote from: Eli on November 10, 2014, 10:54:46 AM
Quote from: SKO on November 10, 2014, 09:49:58 AM
Quote from: BH on November 10, 2014, 08:17:22 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2014, 04:47:52 PM
We used modern medicine. It was pretty sweet.
I know enough friends who have had emergency procedures needed that it's insane to me that anyone would want to have a baby anywhere other than 5 feet from the nearest doctor.
Yep. My nephew was born with a high fever and had to go on anti-biotics basically the second he was out of the womb and was in the NICU for weeks. Scared the living piss out of me. The midwife thing is fine with me as long as everything goes to plan, but I sure as hell wasn't going to sign off on a midwife that didn't operate out of a hospital with doctors available in case of an emergency.
I think people hear "midwife" and think "witch doctor," for whatever reason. But nowadays midwives (certified ones, anyway) are typically nurse practitioners or DNPs, which requires a lot of rigorous clinical knowledge. Ours really knew her stuff and I felt as comfortable with her taking care of my wife and baby as I would've with any doctor. And if some emergency situation had come up, I'm completely confident she would have handled it. You've got no reason to worry, at least beyond the general terror that comes with impending fatherhood.
I'm not sure about the rest of Europe but in the UK, NL and DE, unless there's a reason to suspect that the birth might be problematic, a midwife takes care of the delivery. There will be a gynaecologist and a paediatrician around, but they don't get involved unless it's necessary. In fact, in the Netherlands, almost half of all births take place at home - the cloggies are all about the laissez faire. It wasn't an option for us, but even if it had been, we wouldn't have done it. Fucking nutters.
Both of our kids were born in the hospital and I wouldn't change it for anything, but worth noting that the nurses did 99.9% of the work and the doctor basically just showed up for the last few minutes.
Other than administering the epidural, I think we could have done everything without a doctor.
Granted, there were no complications, and I sure as shit would have wanted a doctor if there had been.
Quote from: PenFoe on November 10, 2014, 12:14:12 PM
Secondly, one of my friends from college who also lives in Boulder is a doula and I'm pretty sure they offer that service. (http://www.birthcenterofboulder.com/)
Doula or midwife?
Quote from: Eli on November 10, 2014, 12:31:59 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on November 10, 2014, 12:14:12 PM
Secondly, one of my friends from college who also lives in Boulder is a doula and I'm pretty sure they offer that service. (http://www.birthcenterofboulder.com/)
Doula or midwife?
(http://images.canberratimes.com.au/2009/11/09/846826/svNATKOALA-420x0.jpg)
Quote from: PANK! on November 10, 2014, 12:09:35 PM
Quote from: CBStew on November 10, 2014, 11:51:22 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 10, 2014, 10:54:46 AM
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Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2014, 04:47:52 PM
We used modern medicine. It was pretty sweet.
I know enough friends who have had emergency procedures needed that it's insane to me that anyone would want to have a baby anywhere other than 5 feet from the nearest doctor.
Yep. My nephew was born with a high fever and had to go on anti-biotics basically the second he was out of the womb and was in the NICU for weeks. Scared the living piss out of me. The midwife thing is fine with me as long as everything goes to plan, but I sure as hell wasn't going to sign off on a midwife that didn't operate out of a hospital with doctors available in case of an emergency.
... You've got no reason to worry, at least beyond the general terror that comes with impending fatherhood.
All four of my sons were born back in the day when fathers were not allowed in the delivery room. It was a convenient cop-out for me, and I am not sorry that I wasn't present for the awe-inspiring drama.
My dad always credited me for waiting until the completion of Boston Celtics basketball game--which he was watching on the waiting room TV-- until I arrived.
Also, I was not in the delivery room for my first born. My wife had a scheduled c-section and they told me I couldn't go in. I realized, after the fact, that this was so the hospital would not have their incompetence on full display. They cut my daughter's head upon retrieval--so basically the first thing that happened to her post-natal was getting stitches-- and the anesthesiologist doped my wife up so badly that she was out for several hours. I was actually the first person to feed the baby, which I did with a bottle.
Moral of the story--don't ever have your birth at St. Francis Hospital in Evanston. You're better off having Eli's hippie Douala deliver your child on a dirt path in the forest.
I'm somewhat shocked that Meatball Doctor Huey didn't insist on being present to second guess every damn thing that went on in that operating room.
Quote from: CT III on November 10, 2014, 03:49:54 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 10, 2014, 12:09:35 PM
Quote from: CBStew on November 10, 2014, 11:51:22 AM
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Quote from: SKO on November 10, 2014, 09:49:58 AM
Quote from: BH on November 10, 2014, 08:17:22 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2014, 04:47:52 PM
We used modern medicine. It was pretty sweet.
I know enough friends who have had emergency procedures needed that it's insane to me that anyone would want to have a baby anywhere other than 5 feet from the nearest doctor.
Yep. My nephew was born with a high fever and had to go on anti-biotics basically the second he was out of the womb and was in the NICU for weeks. Scared the living piss out of me. The midwife thing is fine with me as long as everything goes to plan, but I sure as hell wasn't going to sign off on a midwife that didn't operate out of a hospital with doctors available in case of an emergency.
... You've got no reason to worry, at least beyond the general terror that comes with impending fatherhood.
All four of my sons were born back in the day when fathers were not allowed in the delivery room. It was a convenient cop-out for me, and I am not sorry that I wasn't present for the awe-inspiring drama.
My dad always credited me for waiting until the completion of Boston Celtics basketball game--which he was watching on the waiting room TV-- until I arrived.
Also, I was not in the delivery room for my first born. My wife had a scheduled c-section and they told me I couldn't go in. I realized, after the fact, that this was so the hospital would not have their incompetence on full display. They cut my daughter's head upon retrieval--so basically the first thing that happened to her post-natal was getting stitches-- and the anesthesiologist doped my wife up so badly that she was out for several hours. I was actually the first person to feed the baby, which I did with a bottle.
Moral of the story--don't ever have your birth at St. Francis Hospital in Evanston. You're better off having Eli's hippie Douala deliver your child on a dirt path in the forest.
I'm somewhat shocked that Meatball Doctor Huey didn't insist on being present to second guess every damn thing that went on in that operating room.
They coulsn't sanitize his helmet.
Quote from: CT III on November 10, 2014, 03:49:54 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 10, 2014, 12:09:35 PM
Quote from: CBStew on November 10, 2014, 11:51:22 AM
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Quote from: BH on November 10, 2014, 08:17:22 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2014, 04:47:52 PM
We used modern medicine. It was pretty sweet.
I know enough friends who have had emergency procedures needed that it's insane to me that anyone would want to have a baby anywhere other than 5 feet from the nearest doctor.
Yep. My nephew was born with a high fever and had to go on anti-biotics basically the second he was out of the womb and was in the NICU for weeks. Scared the living piss out of me. The midwife thing is fine with me as long as everything goes to plan, but I sure as hell wasn't going to sign off on a midwife that didn't operate out of a hospital with doctors available in case of an emergency.
... You've got no reason to worry, at least beyond the general terror that comes with impending fatherhood.
All four of my sons were born back in the day when fathers were not allowed in the delivery room. It was a convenient cop-out for me, and I am not sorry that I wasn't present for the awe-inspiring drama.
My dad always credited me for waiting until the completion of Boston Celtics basketball game--which he was watching on the waiting room TV-- until I arrived.
Also, I was not in the delivery room for my first born. My wife had a scheduled c-section and they told me I couldn't go in. I realized, after the fact, that this was so the hospital would not have their incompetence on full display. They cut my daughter's head upon retrieval--so basically the first thing that happened to her post-natal was getting stitches-- and the anesthesiologist doped my wife up so badly that she was out for several hours. I was actually the first person to feed the baby, which I did with a bottle.
Moral of the story--don't ever have your birth at St. Francis Hospital in Evanston. You're better off having Eli's hippie Douala deliver your child on a dirt path in the forest.
I'm somewhat shocked that Meatball Doctor Huey didn't insist on being present to second guess every damn thing that went on in that operating room.
Actually MEATBALL EXPECTANT FATHER Huey felt it was appropriately old-school to be out in the waiting room, pacing the room like any old-school stereotypical expectant father while his woman was producing his offspring with all of her lady parts exposed etc. like back IN DA DAY WHEN MEN WERE MEN AND NOT SISSY LITTLE WANNABE NURSES.
Quote from: PANK! on November 10, 2014, 04:38:47 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 10, 2014, 03:49:54 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 10, 2014, 12:09:35 PM
Quote from: CBStew on November 10, 2014, 11:51:22 AM
Quote from: Eli on November 10, 2014, 10:54:46 AM
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Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2014, 04:47:52 PM
We used modern medicine. It was pretty sweet.
I know enough friends who have had emergency procedures needed that it's insane to me that anyone would want to have a baby anywhere other than 5 feet from the nearest doctor.
Yep. My nephew was born with a high fever and had to go on anti-biotics basically the second he was out of the womb and was in the NICU for weeks. Scared the living piss out of me. The midwife thing is fine with me as long as everything goes to plan, but I sure as hell wasn't going to sign off on a midwife that didn't operate out of a hospital with doctors available in case of an emergency.
... You've got no reason to worry, at least beyond the general terror that comes with impending fatherhood.
All four of my sons were born back in the day when fathers were not allowed in the delivery room. It was a convenient cop-out for me, and I am not sorry that I wasn't present for the awe-inspiring drama.
My dad always credited me for waiting until the completion of Boston Celtics basketball game--which he was watching on the waiting room TV-- until I arrived.
Also, I was not in the delivery room for my first born. My wife had a scheduled c-section and they told me I couldn't go in. I realized, after the fact, that this was so the hospital would not have their incompetence on full display. They cut my daughter's head upon retrieval--so basically the first thing that happened to her post-natal was getting stitches-- and the anesthesiologist doped my wife up so badly that she was out for several hours. I was actually the first person to feed the baby, which I did with a bottle.
Moral of the story--don't ever have your birth at St. Francis Hospital in Evanston. You're better off having Eli's hippie Douala deliver your child on a dirt path in the forest.
I'm somewhat shocked that Meatball Doctor Huey didn't insist on being present to second guess every damn thing that went on in that operating room.
Actually MEATBALL EXPECTANT FATHER Huey felt it was appropriately old-school to be out in the waiting room, pacing the room like any old-school stereotypical expectant father while his woman was producing his offspring with all of her lady parts exposed etc. like back IN DA DAY WHEN MEN WERE MEN AND NOT SISSY LITTLE WANNABE NURSES.
Then he handed out White Owls to everyone once she was born.
Quote from: PANK! on November 10, 2014, 04:38:47 PM
Quote from: CT III on November 10, 2014, 03:49:54 PM
Quote from: PANK! on November 10, 2014, 12:09:35 PM
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Quote from: Eli on November 10, 2014, 10:54:46 AM
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Quote from: BH on November 10, 2014, 08:17:22 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2014, 04:47:52 PM
We used modern medicine. It was pretty sweet.
I know enough friends who have had emergency procedures needed that it's insane to me that anyone would want to have a baby anywhere other than 5 feet from the nearest doctor.
Yep. My nephew was born with a high fever and had to go on anti-biotics basically the second he was out of the womb and was in the NICU for weeks. Scared the living piss out of me. The midwife thing is fine with me as long as everything goes to plan, but I sure as hell wasn't going to sign off on a midwife that didn't operate out of a hospital with doctors available in case of an emergency.
... You've got no reason to worry, at least beyond the general terror that comes with impending fatherhood.
All four of my sons were born back in the day when fathers were not allowed in the delivery room. It was a convenient cop-out for me, and I am not sorry that I wasn't present for the awe-inspiring drama.
My dad always credited me for waiting until the completion of Boston Celtics basketball game--which he was watching on the waiting room TV-- until I arrived.
Also, I was not in the delivery room for my first born. My wife had a scheduled c-section and they told me I couldn't go in. I realized, after the fact, that this was so the hospital would not have their incompetence on full display. They cut my daughter's head upon retrieval--so basically the first thing that happened to her post-natal was getting stitches-- and the anesthesiologist doped my wife up so badly that she was out for several hours. I was actually the first person to feed the baby, which I did with a bottle.
Moral of the story--don't ever have your birth at St. Francis Hospital in Evanston. You're better off having Eli's hippie Douala deliver your child on a dirt path in the forest.
I'm somewhat shocked that Meatball Doctor Huey didn't insist on being present to second guess every damn thing that went on in that operating room.
Actually MEATBALL EXPECTANT FATHER Huey felt it was appropriately old-school to be out in the waiting room, pacing the room like any old-school stereotypical expectant father while his woman was producing his offspring with all of her lady parts exposed etc. like back IN DA DAY WHEN MEN WERE MEN AND NOT SISSY LITTLE WANNABE NURSES.
This answer is acceptable to me.
Quote from: BH on November 10, 2014, 08:17:22 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2014, 04:47:52 PM
We used modern medicine. It was pretty sweet.
I know enough friends who have had emergency procedures needed that it's insane to me that anyone would want to have a baby anywhere other than 5 feet from the nearest doctor.
Yeah. Turns out Ali's birth canal was too narrow for even a 7 pound baby, so in the days before surgery she'd have probably died in childbirth. Hooray for doctors.
Quote from: Bort on November 10, 2014, 10:57:30 PM
Quote from: BH on November 10, 2014, 08:17:22 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2014, 04:47:52 PM
We used modern medicine. It was pretty sweet.
I know enough friends who have had emergency procedures needed that it's insane to me that anyone would want to have a baby anywhere other than 5 feet from the nearest doctor.
Yeah. Turns out Ali's birth canal was too narrow for even a 7 pound baby, so in the days before surgery she'd have probably died in childbirth. Hooray for doctors.
Back in the day she wouldn't have had a 7 pound baby. Hooray for modern medicine, sure. But also modern nutrition is letting women give birth to watermelons.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 11, 2014, 01:20:47 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 10, 2014, 10:57:30 PM
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Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2014, 04:47:52 PM
We used modern medicine. It was pretty sweet.
I know enough friends who have had emergency procedures needed that it's insane to me that anyone would want to have a baby anywhere other than 5 feet from the nearest doctor.
Yeah. Turns out Ali's birth canal was too narrow for even a 7 pound baby, so in the days before surgery she'd have probably died in childbirth. Hooray for doctors.
Back in the day she wouldn't have had a 7 pound baby. Hooray for modern medicine, sure. But also modern nutrition is letting women give birth to watermelons.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Quote from: Bort on November 11, 2014, 06:39:42 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 11, 2014, 01:20:47 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 10, 2014, 10:57:30 PM
Quote from: BH on November 10, 2014, 08:17:22 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2014, 04:47:52 PM
We used modern medicine. It was pretty sweet.
I know enough friends who have had emergency procedures needed that it's insane to me that anyone would want to have a baby anywhere other than 5 feet from the nearest doctor.
Yeah. Turns out Ali's birth canal was too narrow for even a 7 pound baby, so in the days before surgery she'd have probably died in childbirth. Hooray for doctors.
Back in the day she wouldn't have had a 7 pound baby. Hooray for modern medicine, sure. But also modern nutrition is letting women give birth to watermelons.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Chuck gonna Chuck.
Quote from: PANK! on November 11, 2014, 07:01:24 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 11, 2014, 06:39:42 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 11, 2014, 01:20:47 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 10, 2014, 10:57:30 PM
Quote from: BH on November 10, 2014, 08:17:22 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2014, 04:47:52 PM
We used modern medicine. It was pretty sweet.
I know enough friends who have had emergency procedures needed that it's insane to me that anyone would want to have a baby anywhere other than 5 feet from the nearest doctor.
Yeah. Turns out Ali's birth canal was too narrow for even a 7 pound baby, so in the days before surgery she'd have probably died in childbirth. Hooray for doctors.
Back in the day she wouldn't have had a 7 pound baby. Hooray for modern medicine, sure. But also modern nutrition is letting women give birth to watermelons.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Chuck gonna Chuck.
I see what Chuck is saying, but the relatively enormous human head (compared to other animals) is what accounts for the most of the, uh, stretching of the birth canal. The head on a 10-pound baby isn't significantly larger than that of a 5-pound baby, so I don't think birth weight has much to do with anything.
Side note: This conversation has inspired me to quit my marketing job here at the hospital and become a male midwife instead.
Side note 2: This is in my top 5 favorite Desipio thread derailments.
Quote from: Eli on November 11, 2014, 08:59:19 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 11, 2014, 07:01:24 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 11, 2014, 06:39:42 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 11, 2014, 01:20:47 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 10, 2014, 10:57:30 PM
Quote from: BH on November 10, 2014, 08:17:22 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2014, 04:47:52 PM
We used modern medicine. It was pretty sweet.
I know enough friends who have had emergency procedures needed that it's insane to me that anyone would want to have a baby anywhere other than 5 feet from the nearest doctor.
Yeah. Turns out Ali's birth canal was too narrow for even a 7 pound baby, so in the days before surgery she'd have probably died in childbirth. Hooray for doctors.
Back in the day she wouldn't have had a 7 pound baby. Hooray for modern medicine, sure. But also modern nutrition is letting women give birth to watermelons.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Chuck gonna Chuck.
I see what Chuck is saying, but the relatively enormous human head (compared to other animals) is what accounts for the most of the, uh, stretching of the birth canal. The head on a 10-pound baby isn't significantly larger than that of a 5-pound baby, so I don't think birth weight has much to do with anything.
Side note: This conversation has inspired me to quit my marketing job here at the hospital and become a male midwife instead.
Side note 2: This is in my top 5 favorite Desipio thread derailments.
And now I'm wondering how Kevin Mench's mother ever pushed that colossal melon out.
Quote from: Eli on November 11, 2014, 08:59:19 AM
Quote from: PANK! on November 11, 2014, 07:01:24 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 11, 2014, 06:39:42 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 11, 2014, 01:20:47 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 10, 2014, 10:57:30 PM
Quote from: BH on November 10, 2014, 08:17:22 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2014, 04:47:52 PM
We used modern medicine. It was pretty sweet.
I know enough friends who have had emergency procedures needed that it's insane to me that anyone would want to have a baby anywhere other than 5 feet from the nearest doctor.
Yeah. Turns out Ali's birth canal was too narrow for even a 7 pound baby, so in the days before surgery she'd have probably died in childbirth. Hooray for doctors.
Back in the day she wouldn't have had a 7 pound baby. Hooray for modern medicine, sure. But also modern nutrition is letting women give birth to watermelons.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Chuck gonna Chuck.
I see what Chuck is saying, but the relatively enormous human head (compared to other animals) is what accounts for the most of the, uh, stretching of the birth canal. The head on a 10-pound baby isn't significantly larger than that of a 5-pound baby, so I don't think birth weight has much to do with anything.
Side note: This conversation has inspired me to quit my marketing job here at the hospital and become a male midwife instead.
Side note 2: This is in my top 5 favorite Desipio thread derailments.
I believe you'll find "midhusband" is the word you're looking for. Or, apparently, "accoucheur" if you want to be pretentious.
Quote from: ChuckD on November 11, 2014, 09:37:52 AM
Or, apparently, "accoucheur" if you want to be pretentious.
I do.
Quote from: Bort on November 11, 2014, 06:39:42 AM
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on November 11, 2014, 01:20:47 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 10, 2014, 10:57:30 PM
Quote from: BH on November 10, 2014, 08:17:22 AM
Quote from: Bort on November 07, 2014, 04:47:52 PM
We used modern medicine. It was pretty sweet.
I know enough friends who have had emergency procedures needed that it's insane to me that anyone would want to have a baby anywhere other than 5 feet from the nearest doctor.
Yeah. Turns out Ali's birth canal was too narrow for even a 7 pound baby, so in the days before surgery she'd have probably died in childbirth. Hooray for doctors.
Back in the day she wouldn't have had a 7 pound baby. Hooray for modern medicine, sure. But also modern nutrition is letting women give birth to watermelons.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Your child is a "ginormous" fat-ass who looks ugly without makeup.
Oh good.
http://awfulannouncing.com/2014/nfls-female-viewership-actually-2014.html
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:39:04 PM
What in the fuck, Packers? (http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/8/21/6053615/packers-stadium-food-horse-collar-sausage-toilet-seat)
Could you stop trying to be so fucking gross for two seconds, Wisconsin?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bvk9XOrIAAApvhO.jpg)
You keep being you, Wisconsin. (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2322273-packers-to-sell-35-pound-big-game-burger-during-playoff-game-vs-cowboys?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6sMtr2IEAE_LUG.png:large)
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"Big Mother" pretzel bun
1/2 pound of ground venison
1/2 pound of ground bacon
1/2 pound of certified Angus beef
Crispy fried onions
Jalapeno smoked bacon
Lettuce
Six slices of tomatoes
Pickles
Secret sauce
Housemade jalapeno cheese (jalapenos, multiple cheddars and BBQ sauce)
Quote from: PenFoe on January 07, 2015, 03:25:35 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on August 21, 2014, 01:39:04 PM
What in the fuck, Packers? (http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/8/21/6053615/packers-stadium-food-horse-collar-sausage-toilet-seat)
Could you stop trying to be so fucking gross for two seconds, Wisconsin?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bvk9XOrIAAApvhO.jpg)
You keep being you, Wisconsin. (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2322273-packers-to-sell-35-pound-big-game-burger-during-playoff-game-vs-cowboys?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national)
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"Big Mother" pretzel bun
1/2 pound of ground venison
1/2 pound of ground bacon
1/2 pound of certified Angus beef
Crispy fried onions
Jalapeno smoked bacon
Lettuce
Six slices of tomatoes
Pickles
Secret sauce
Housemade jalapeno cheese (jalapenos, multiple cheddars and BBQ sauce)
I might have just a taste of that to make sure it's not poison.
Quote from: PenFoe on January 07, 2015, 03:25:35 PM
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"Big Mother" pretzel bun
1/2 pound of ground venison
1/2 pound of ground bacon
1/2 pound of certified Angus beef
Crispy fried onions
Jalapeno smoked bacon
Lettuce
Six slices of tomatoes
Pickles
Secret sauce
Housemade jalapeno cheese (jalapenos, multiple cheddars and BBQ sauce)
OK, now they're just being over the top.
Quote from: Eli on January 07, 2015, 06:47:06 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 07, 2015, 03:25:35 PM
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"Big Mother" pretzel bun
1/2 pound of ground venison
1/2 pound of ground bacon
1/2 pound of certified Angus beef
Crispy fried onions
Jalapeno smoked bacon
Lettuce
Six slices of tomatoes
Pickles
Secret sauce
Housemade jalapeno cheese (jalapenos, multiple cheddars and BBQ sauce)
OK, now they're just being over the top.
January tomatoes in Wisconsin are the best tomatoes.
(I was so tempted to type "omtates")
That was an incomplete pass. For real. Get the fuck out of my face.
Quote from: InternetApex on January 12, 2015, 09:23:34 AM
That was an incomplete pass. For real. Get the fuck out of my face.
Agreed. Still think the rule is dumb but as long as it is the rule it was the right call.
Quote from: SKO on January 12, 2015, 09:29:05 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 12, 2015, 09:23:34 AM
That was an incomplete pass. For real. Get the fuck out of my face.
Agreed. Still think the rule is dumb but as long as it is the rule it was the right call.
Even by the rule, how is taking two steps and diving for the end zone not considered a "football move?" It didn't seem to me like going to the ground was really a part of the catch process.
Quote from: Eli on January 12, 2015, 09:40:35 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 12, 2015, 09:29:05 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 12, 2015, 09:23:34 AM
That was an incomplete pass. For real. Get the fuck out of my face.
Agreed. Still think the rule is dumb but as long as it is the rule it was the right call.
Even by the rule, how is taking two steps and diving for the end zone not considered a "football move?" It didn't seem to me like going to the ground was really a part of the catch process.
It looked to me like he bobbled it right when he hit the ground and then again when he was rolling into the end zone, but I only watched it twice from somewhat of a distance on a tv at the restaurant I was at. It looked to me like the right call.
Quote from: SKO on January 12, 2015, 10:12:35 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 12, 2015, 09:40:35 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 12, 2015, 09:29:05 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 12, 2015, 09:23:34 AM
That was an incomplete pass. For real. Get the fuck out of my face.
Agreed. Still think the rule is dumb but as long as it is the rule it was the right call.
Even by the rule, how is taking two steps and diving for the end zone not considered a "football move?" It didn't seem to me like going to the ground was really a part of the catch process.
It looked to me like he bobbled it right when he hit the ground and then again when he was rolling into the end zone, but I only watched it twice from somewhat of a distance on a tv at the restaurant I was at. It looked to me like the right call.
Most BDubs have a large projection screen, though.
Quote from: SKO on January 12, 2015, 10:12:35 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 12, 2015, 09:40:35 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 12, 2015, 09:29:05 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 12, 2015, 09:23:34 AM
That was an incomplete pass. For real. Get the fuck out of my face.
Agreed. Still think the rule is dumb but as long as it is the rule it was the right call.
Even by the rule, how is taking two steps and diving for the end zone not considered a "football move?" It didn't seem to me like going to the ground was really a part of the catch process.
It looked to me like he bobbled it right when he hit the ground and then again when he was rolling into the end zone, but I only watched it twice from somewhat of a distance on a tv at the restaurant I was at. It looked to me like the right call.
If the football move that he decided to make was to go to the ground - don't believe it, I think he was falling - he opens himself up to that rule, which everybody should know about because it happens almost every game now. The same thing happened on the interception reversal in Seattle Saturday night. The. Same. Damn. Thing.
Quote from: InternetApex on January 12, 2015, 10:20:46 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 12, 2015, 10:12:35 AM
Quote from: Eli on January 12, 2015, 09:40:35 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 12, 2015, 09:29:05 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 12, 2015, 09:23:34 AM
That was an incomplete pass. For real. Get the fuck out of my face.
Agreed. Still think the rule is dumb but as long as it is the rule it was the right call.
Even by the rule, how is taking two steps and diving for the end zone not considered a "football move?" It didn't seem to me like going to the ground was really a part of the catch process.
It looked to me like he bobbled it right when he hit the ground and then again when he was rolling into the end zone, but I only watched it twice from somewhat of a distance on a tv at the restaurant I was at. It looked to me like the right call.
If the football move that he decided to make was to go to the ground - don't believe it, I think he was falling - he opens himself up to that rule, which everybody should know about because it happens almost every game now. The same thing happened on the interception reversal in Seattle Saturday night. The. Same. Damn. Thing.
Can't fault Bryant for reaching for the goal line but shit--if only he had curled his shoulder under and fallen under the ball then....
....Aaron Rodgers still would've just driven the field for the game-winning FG.
Between the Packers' epic meltdown and the Colts' decisive ball crushing at the hands of their hated rivals, yesterday was nearly enough to redeem this entire abortion of a football season for me. Then there's the fact that I correctly picked both games and stand ready to collect enough money in my playoff point spread pool to buy a new wireless car vac. I just need to pick the Super Bowl right vs. the spread and I'm golden.
Schadenfreude is a helluva drug.
Quote from: InternetApex on January 19, 2015, 08:49:24 AM
Between the Packers' epic meltdown and the Colts' decisive ball crushing at the hands of their hated rivals, yesterday was nearly enough to redeem this entire abortion of a football season for me. Then there's the fact that I correctly picked both games and stand ready to collect enough money in my playoff point spread pool to buy a new wireless car vac. I just need to pick the Super Bowl right vs. the spread and I'm golden.
Schadenfreude is a helluva drug.
Big pool.
(http://i.imgur.com/RqMu1b7.png)
Quote from: InternetApex on January 19, 2015, 08:49:24 AM
Between the Packers' epic meltdown and the Colts' decisive ball crushing at the hands of their hated rivals, yesterday was nearly enough to redeem this entire abortion of a football season for me. Then there's the fact that I correctly picked both games and stand ready to collect enough money in my playoff point spread pool to buy a new wireless car vac. I just need to pick the Super Bowl right vs. the spread and I'm golden.
Schadenfreude is a helluva drug.
I thought the spread was Seattle (-7.5). Are you saying you got a line for 5.5 or less? If so, you've got an extremely charitable bookie methinks.
Quote from: PANK! on January 19, 2015, 10:05:20 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 19, 2015, 08:49:24 AM
Between the Packers' epic meltdown and the Colts' decisive ball crushing at the hands of their hated rivals, yesterday was nearly enough to redeem this entire abortion of a football season for me. Then there's the fact that I correctly picked both games and stand ready to collect enough money in my playoff point spread pool to buy a new wireless car vac. I just need to pick the Super Bowl right vs. the spread and I'm golden.
Schadenfreude is a helluva drug.
I thought the spread was Seattle (-7.5). Are you saying you got a line for 5.5 or less? If so, you've got an extremely charitable bookie methinks.
I think he took the team with the nice, cuddly, small town fans and the quarterback, who unlike Jay Cutler is all nice with the media after ball-crushing chokejobs in which he managed just 1 TD and 2 INTs +7.5.
Quote from: PANK! on January 19, 2015, 10:05:20 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 19, 2015, 08:49:24 AM
Between the Packers' epic meltdown and the Colts' decisive ball crushing at the hands of their hated rivals, yesterday was nearly enough to redeem this entire abortion of a football season for me. Then there's the fact that I correctly picked both games and stand ready to collect enough money in my playoff point spread pool to buy a new wireless car vac. I just need to pick the Super Bowl right vs. the spread and I'm golden.
Schadenfreude is a helluva drug.
I thought the spread was Seattle (-7.5). Are you saying you got a line for 5.5 or less? If so, you've got an extremely charitable bookie methinks.
I got it at 7.
Quote from: Chuck to Chuck on January 19, 2015, 08:58:47 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 19, 2015, 08:49:24 AM
Between the Packers' epic meltdown and the Colts' decisive ball crushing at the hands of their hated rivals, yesterday was nearly enough to redeem this entire abortion of a football season for me. Then there's the fact that I correctly picked both games and stand ready to collect enough money in my playoff point spread pool to buy a new wireless car vac. I just need to pick the Super Bowl right vs. the spread and I'm golden.
Schadenfreude is a helluva drug.
Big pool.
(http://i.imgur.com/RqMu1b7.png)
It's not a big pool. I will make enough to cover what I lost in the regular season and still come away with a car vac that is slightly better than the one pictured above.
But I'm 8-2 vs. the spread so far and my only misses were GB/DAL and NE/BAL, in which I picked winners who failed to cover. I should have bet half a paycheck on this shit.
/cool story bro
Hell of a pass by Morph.
(http://cbssports.com/images/blogs/jon-ryan1-mccarthy-face-450.jpg)
Baltimore Ravens hire OC Marc Trestman. Hilarious.
Quote from: Sterling Archer on January 20, 2015, 02:52:05 PM
Baltimore Ravens hire OC Marc Trestman. Hilarious.
It's a good hire.
I don't get why it's that funny.
I hope they do fucking awful, but as someone who roots passionately against the Ravens, I'm not thrilled about this development.
Quote from: PenFoe on January 20, 2015, 02:54:42 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on January 20, 2015, 02:52:05 PM
Baltimore Ravens hire OC Marc Trestman. Hilarious.
It's a good hire.
I don't get why it's that funny.
I hope they do fucking awful, but as someone who roots passionately against the Ravens, I'm not thrilled about this development.
Depends on which Trestman they get. The 2013 risk-taker who frequently stretched the field vertically or the 2014 version and his plethora of WR screens.
And before anyone points out the whole "he just didn't trust Cutler DERP" defense you can explain why he'll trust Joe Flacco more.
Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 02:58:05 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 20, 2015, 02:54:42 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on January 20, 2015, 02:52:05 PM
Baltimore Ravens hire OC Marc Trestman. Hilarious.
It's a good hire.
I don't get why it's that funny.
I hope they do fucking awful, but as someone who roots passionately against the Ravens, I'm not thrilled about this development.
Depends on which Trestman they get. The 2013 risk-taker who frequently stretched the field vertically or the 2014 version and his plethora of WR screens.
There's certainly a duality to his results.
In the 10 times he's run an offense, he's been in the top 5 in scoring four times and over 20 four times.
But Flacco also doesn't make mistakes on the level of Cutler. I'm not saying he's much better than Cutler, but he's less mistake-prone, which should help Trestman.
Obviously the key takeaway though is fuck the Ravens.
Quote from: PenFoe on January 20, 2015, 02:54:42 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on January 20, 2015, 02:52:05 PM
Baltimore Ravens hire OC Marc Trestman. Hilarious.
It's a good hire.
I don't get why it's that funny.
I hope they do fucking awful, but as someone who roots passionately against the Ravens, I'm not thrilled about this development.
Because his ass just got fired for being a total disaster, and as an assistant, he has a long history of starting out well but flaming out fairly quickly thereafter. I wouldn't want him anywhere near my team.
Quote from: PenFoe on January 20, 2015, 03:01:49 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 02:58:05 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 20, 2015, 02:54:42 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on January 20, 2015, 02:52:05 PM
Baltimore Ravens hire OC Marc Trestman. Hilarious.
It's a good hire.
I don't get why it's that funny.
I hope they do fucking awful, but as someone who roots passionately against the Ravens, I'm not thrilled about this development.
Depends on which Trestman they get. The 2013 risk-taker who frequently stretched the field vertically or the 2014 version and his plethora of WR screens.
There's certainly a duality to his results.
In the 10 times he's run an offense, he's been in the top 5 in scoring four times and over 20 four times.
But Flacco also doesn't make mistakes on the level of Cutler. I'm not saying he's much better than Cutler, but he's less mistake-prone, which should help Trestman.
Obviously the key takeaway though is fuck the Ravens.
I am not so sure about this. In all but one year of his career Flacco's been in offenses that were run heavy. From 2008-2012 they ran their offense through Ray Rice and Flacco averaged just 31 passing attempts per game and only 3500 yards a year. He also never topped 60.5% completions. The one year their run game fell apart and Flacco shouldered the load he tossed 22 picks. This year Kubiak ran a bootleg heavy, zone run dominant offense that played to Flacco's strengths (deep ball accuracy, mobile outside the pocket, sort of like Jay), and Trestman's offense doesn't feature those things.
Trestman's offenses almost always rank in the top ten in passing attempts, Flacco's had two seasons where he was in the top ten in the league in passing attempts, in those two years he posted passer ratings of 80.9 and 73.1 and ratios of 20-12 and 19-22, YPAs of 6.7 and 6.4, and completion %s of 57.6 and 59.
It just seems an odd choice to take a guy who just had his greatest year ever in a run-based, play-action heavy, bootleg offense that carefully manages his attempts and takes shots downfield and put him under the tutelage of a pass-first, precision based offensive scheme running OC.
Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 03:13:30 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 20, 2015, 03:01:49 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 02:58:05 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 20, 2015, 02:54:42 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on January 20, 2015, 02:52:05 PM
Baltimore Ravens hire OC Marc Trestman. Hilarious.
It's a good hire.
I don't get why it's that funny.
I hope they do fucking awful, but as someone who roots passionately against the Ravens, I'm not thrilled about this development.
Depends on which Trestman they get. The 2013 risk-taker who frequently stretched the field vertically or the 2014 version and his plethora of WR screens.
There's certainly a duality to his results.
In the 10 times he's run an offense, he's been in the top 5 in scoring four times and over 20 four times.
But Flacco also doesn't make mistakes on the level of Cutler. I'm not saying he's much better than Cutler, but he's less mistake-prone, which should help Trestman.
Obviously the key takeaway though is fuck the Ravens.
I am not so sure about this. In all but one year of his career Flacco's been in offenses that were run heavy. From 2008-2012 they ran their offense through Ray Rice and Flacco averaged just 31 passing attempts per game and only 3500 yards a year. He also never topped 60.5% completions. The one year their run game fell apart and Flacco shouldered the load he tossed 22 picks. This year Kubiak ran a bootleg heavy, zone run dominant offense that played to Flacco's strengths (deep ball accuracy, mobile outside the pocket, sort of like Jay), and Trestman's offense doesn't feature those things.
Trestman's offenses almost always rank in the top ten in passing attempts, Flacco's had two seasons where he was in the top ten in the league in passing attempts, in those two years he posted passer ratings of 80.9 and 73.1 and ratios of 20-12 and 19-22, YPAs of 6.7 and 6.4, and completion %s of 57.6 and 59.
It just seems an odd choice to take a guy who just had his greatest year ever in a run-based, play-action heavy, bootleg offense that carefully manages his attempts and takes shots downfield and put him under the tutelage of a pass-first, precision based offensive scheme running OC.
Already, this all seems reasonable and thought out.
The Ravens suck again!
Quote from: PenFoe on January 20, 2015, 03:28:09 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 03:13:30 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 20, 2015, 03:01:49 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 20, 2015, 02:58:05 PM
Quote from: PenFoe on January 20, 2015, 02:54:42 PM
Quote from: Sterling Archer on January 20, 2015, 02:52:05 PM
Baltimore Ravens hire OC Marc Trestman. Hilarious.
It's a good hire.
I don't get why it's that funny.
I hope they do fucking awful, but as someone who roots passionately against the Ravens, I'm not thrilled about this development.
Depends on which Trestman they get. The 2013 risk-taker who frequently stretched the field vertically or the 2014 version and his plethora of WR screens.
There's certainly a duality to his results.
In the 10 times he's run an offense, he's been in the top 5 in scoring four times and over 20 four times.
But Flacco also doesn't make mistakes on the level of Cutler. I'm not saying he's much better than Cutler, but he's less mistake-prone, which should help Trestman.
Obviously the key takeaway though is fuck the Ravens.
I am not so sure about this. In all but one year of his career Flacco's been in offenses that were run heavy. From 2008-2012 they ran their offense through Ray Rice and Flacco averaged just 31 passing attempts per game and only 3500 yards a year. He also never topped 60.5% completions. The one year their run game fell apart and Flacco shouldered the load he tossed 22 picks. This year Kubiak ran a bootleg heavy, zone run dominant offense that played to Flacco's strengths (deep ball accuracy, mobile outside the pocket, sort of like Jay), and Trestman's offense doesn't feature those things.
Trestman's offenses almost always rank in the top ten in passing attempts, Flacco's had two seasons where he was in the top ten in the league in passing attempts, in those two years he posted passer ratings of 80.9 and 73.1 and ratios of 20-12 and 19-22, YPAs of 6.7 and 6.4, and completion %s of 57.6 and 59.
It just seems an odd choice to take a guy who just had his greatest year ever in a run-based, play-action heavy, bootleg offense that carefully manages his attempts and takes shots downfield and put him under the tutelage of a pass-first, precision based offensive scheme running OC.
Already, this all seems reasonable and thought out.
The Ravens suck again!
I mean who knows, maybe Trestman learned from this awful year and will play to his player's strengths, but given the way he tried the exact same gameplan on both sides of the ball as the whole world fell apart around him, I doubt it.
Either way, Kubiak's offense fit Flacco to a T, so I doubt they'll be quite as good as they were offensively this year even if Trestman's more 2013 Innovator than 2014 Clown College.
I feel like, if you let a team that is playing in a competitive game have control over something as important as the ball that both teams will use, and you don't even bother to check that said ball is up to standard before the game starts, that's on you for being fucking stupid.
Quote from: SKO on January 21, 2015, 08:31:55 AM
I feel like, if you let a team that is playing in a competitive game have control over something as important as the ball that both teams will use, and you don't even bother to check that said ball is up to standard before the game starts, that's on you for being fucking stupid.
Agreed. And I'll bet you this happens all the time.
That said, the NFL is the fucking worst. Why do I keep sticking my head in this toilet?
Quote from: InternetApex on January 21, 2015, 08:44:05 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 21, 2015, 08:31:55 AM
I feel like, if you let a team that is playing in a competitive game have control over something as important as the ball that both teams will use, and you don't even bother to check that said ball is up to standard before the game starts, that's on you for being fucking stupid.
Agreed. And I'll bet you this happens all the time.
That said, the NFL is the fucking worst. Why do I keep sticking my head in this toilet?
NFL fans are identical to comic book movie fans who bitch and moan about how terrible every superhero movie is, then camp out outside the theaters for opening night.
Quote from: Bort on January 21, 2015, 09:28:32 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 21, 2015, 08:44:05 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 21, 2015, 08:31:55 AM
I feel like, if you let a team that is playing in a competitive game have control over something as important as the ball that both teams will use, and you don't even bother to check that said ball is up to standard before the game starts, that's on you for being fucking stupid.
Agreed. And I'll bet you this happens all the time.
That said, the NFL is the fucking worst. Why do I keep sticking my head in this toilet?
NFL fans are identical to comic book movie fans who bitch and moan about how terrible every superhero movie is, then camp out outside the theaters for opening night.
SKO certainly belongs to both demographics.
Quote from: Tonker on January 21, 2015, 09:36:19 AM
Quote from: Bort on January 21, 2015, 09:28:32 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 21, 2015, 08:44:05 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 21, 2015, 08:31:55 AM
I feel like, if you let a team that is playing in a competitive game have control over something as important as the ball that both teams will use, and you don't even bother to check that said ball is up to standard before the game starts, that's on you for being fucking stupid.
Agreed. And I'll bet you this happens all the time.
That said, the NFL is the fucking worst. Why do I keep sticking my head in this toilet?
NFL fans are identical to comic book movie fans who bitch and moan about how terrible every superhero movie is, then camp out outside the theaters for opening night.
SKO certainly belongs to both demographics.
In my defense I usually bitch about the people bitching about superhero movies, unless they're bitching about Man of Steel.
Quote from: SKO on January 21, 2015, 09:53:11 AM
Quote from: Tonker on January 21, 2015, 09:36:19 AM
Quote from: Bort on January 21, 2015, 09:28:32 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 21, 2015, 08:44:05 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 21, 2015, 08:31:55 AM
I feel like, if you let a team that is playing in a competitive game have control over something as important as the ball that both teams will use, and you don't even bother to check that said ball is up to standard before the game starts, that's on you for being fucking stupid.
Agreed. And I'll bet you this happens all the time.
That said, the NFL is the fucking worst. Why do I keep sticking my head in this toilet?
NFL fans are identical to comic book movie fans who bitch and moan about how terrible every superhero movie is, then camp out outside the theaters for opening night.
SKO certainly belongs to both demographics.
In my defense I usually bitch about the people bitching about superhero movies, unless they're bitching about Man of Steel.
Thanks for clarifying.
Quote from: PANK! on January 21, 2015, 09:58:25 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 21, 2015, 09:53:11 AM
Quote from: Tonker on January 21, 2015, 09:36:19 AM
Quote from: Bort on January 21, 2015, 09:28:32 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 21, 2015, 08:44:05 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 21, 2015, 08:31:55 AM
I feel like, if you let a team that is playing in a competitive game have control over something as important as the ball that both teams will use, and you don't even bother to check that said ball is up to standard before the game starts, that's on you for being fucking stupid.
Agreed. And I'll bet you this happens all the time.
That said, the NFL is the fucking worst. Why do I keep sticking my head in this toilet?
NFL fans are identical to comic book movie fans who bitch and moan about how terrible every superhero movie is, then camp out outside the theaters for opening night.
SKO certainly belongs to both demographics.
In my defense I usually bitch about the people bitching about superhero movies, unless they're bitching about Man of Steel.
Thanks for clarifying.
Certainly.
Quote from: SKO on January 21, 2015, 09:53:11 AM
Quote from: Tonker on January 21, 2015, 09:36:19 AM
Quote from: Bort on January 21, 2015, 09:28:32 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 21, 2015, 08:44:05 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 21, 2015, 08:31:55 AM
I feel like, if you let a team that is playing in a competitive game have control over something as important as the ball that both teams will use, and you don't even bother to check that said ball is up to standard before the game starts, that's on you for being fucking stupid.
Agreed. And I'll bet you this happens all the time.
That said, the NFL is the fucking worst. Why do I keep sticking my head in this toilet?
NFL fans are identical to comic book movie fans who bitch and moan about how terrible every superhero movie is, then camp out outside the theaters for opening night.
SKO certainly belongs to both demographics.
In my defense I usually bitch about the people bitching about superhero movies, unless they're bitching about Man of Steel.
Everything sucks since Superman 2.
Quote from: Fork on January 21, 2015, 01:35:50 PM
Quote from: SKO on January 21, 2015, 09:53:11 AM
Quote from: Tonker on January 21, 2015, 09:36:19 AM
Quote from: Bort on January 21, 2015, 09:28:32 AM
Quote from: InternetApex on January 21, 2015, 08:44:05 AM
Quote from: SKO on January 21, 2015, 08:31:55 AM
I feel like, if you let a team that is playing in a competitive game have control over something as important as the ball that both teams will use, and you don't even bother to check that said ball is up to standard before the game starts, that's on you for being fucking stupid.
Agreed. And I'll bet you this happens all the time.
That said, the NFL is the fucking worst. Why do I keep sticking my head in this toilet?
NFL fans are identical to comic book movie fans who bitch and moan about how terrible every superhero movie is, then camp out outside the theaters for opening night.
SKO certainly belongs to both demographics.
In my defense I usually bitch about the people bitching about superhero movies, unless they're bitching about Man of Steel.
Everything sucks since Superman 2.
Even parts of Superman 2 suck. The laughing telephone booth guy as well as in-the-background voice of a woman during the Niagara Falls rescue saying, "Of course he's Jewish."
Fucking Richard Lester.
Darrell Bevell sucks, but fuck this league and this season straight to hell.
/thread.